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| 00:11.44 | rincon | what bittorrent dvd should i download for an amd semprom 2600 ? |
| 00:11.53 | kanzure | anyone know of a good "MS SQL" client? i'm trying to convert a database i've inherited to something more reasonable |
| 00:12.13 | kanzure | just need a "full backup" feature really |
| 00:12.21 | kanzure | aquadata doesn't seem to do that unless you want to manually click through each table :) |
| 00:12.55 | iceroot | rincon: i386 |
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| 00:13.19 | iceroot | rincon: i dont think its an amd64 cpu. and if you are using less then 4gb ram, amd64 is unimportant |
| 00:14.23 | rincon | iceroot: 750 mb of ram and amd semprom 2600+ |
| 00:15.00 | rincon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.41 | iceroot | rincon: i386 |
| 00:15.55 | iceroot | rincon: but why the dvd? use the netinstaller or the normal cd1 |
| 00:17.02 | rincon | iceroot: is it safe to use the netinstaller when you do not know which security software to install ? |
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| 00:17.32 | iceroot | rincon: security software? |
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| 00:18.40 | rincon | iceroot: yes the kind of software that protects your system from attacks |
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| 00:19.38 | datenritter | oh, one of the magic number entries says sth about i8042. could it be the keyboard...? |
| 00:21.45 | iceroot | rincon: this is linux |
| 00:22.12 | iceroot | rincon: you dont need something like av-scanner, firewall, anti-spyware or other things you know from windows |
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| 00:23.26 | deximat | you do need firewall |
| 00:23.34 | deximat | but not as much as in windows |
| 00:23.34 | rincon | iceroot: is it safer to install from dvd? a firewall is desireble even for linux |
| 00:24.11 | iceroot | rincon: you know apt-get? |
| 00:24.15 | iceroot | deximat: for what? |
| 00:24.35 | iceroot | rincon: you can install everything with apt-get from the repos, no need for a dvd |
| 00:24.36 | deximat | for dedicated attack |
| 00:24.46 | deximat | if you are server |
| 00:24.57 | deximat | and you have people who are trying to hack you |
| 00:25.07 | iceroot | deximat: change ssh port :) |
| 00:25.14 | deximat | if they know they can |
| 00:25.18 | rincon | deximat: is it safer to install from dvd? |
| 00:25.25 | iceroot | rincon: its the same!! |
| 00:25.29 | iceroot | rincon: apt-get |
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| 00:25.44 | deximat | from my point it is the same, because apt-get is debian proposec |
| 00:25.47 | deximat | proposed |
| 00:25.52 | deximat | software is checked |
| 00:25.59 | deximat | secure |
| 00:26.15 | deximat | it is not like in windows that you dont know what you donwload |
| 00:26.20 | deximat | you can trust debian |
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| 00:26.48 | deximat | later when you download other programms from some other source than it is risky |
| 00:26.51 | deximat | but apt-get |
| 00:26.58 | deximat | and any debian repository is clean |
| 00:27.00 | deximat | 99% |
| 00:27.06 | deximat | from my point |
| 00:27.09 | abrotman | !tell deximat about enter |
| 00:27.44 | rincon | deximat: i think DVD is better for a beginner ..... |
| 00:28.12 | deximat | maybe easier |
| 00:28.12 | iceroot | rincon: dvd is old |
| 00:28.29 | deximat | not sure |
| 00:28.35 | abrotman | you can use the DVDs as your main sources, but you should also have the http and security sources |
| 00:28.35 | iceroot | rincon: you need to run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade after installing from dvd |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:28.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:29.03 | iceroot | abrotman: aptitude dont have super cow power like apt-get |
| 00:29.22 | deximat | :) |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. people should be using aptitude |
| 00:29.37 | deximat | pkg rules ;) |
| 00:29.47 | iceroot | never had problems with apt-get yet |
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| 00:30.03 | abrotman | iceroot: in here, when giving advice, please use aptitude |
| 00:30.54 | iceroot | abrotman: have you an example where apt-get will break and aptitude not? |
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| 00:31.14 | abrotman | iceroot: when the system dependencies are out of whack .. |
| 00:31.37 | abrotman | aptitude is far better at resolving dependency issues |
| 00:31.44 | MrGreenGenes | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | it's the recommended tool by the Debian Release Team .. please give advice using aptitude |
| 00:32.19 | iceroot | abrotman: yeah np |
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| 00:32.44 | iceroot | abrotman: but if i give an advice, of course i want to know why, thats because i was asking |
| 00:32.52 | abrotman | iceroot: and i just told you .. |
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| 00:34.01 | iceroot | i will just write an alias for replacing apt-get with aptitude if i write something :) |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | or you could also use it yourself :) |
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| 00:35.22 | deximat | fight :) |
| 00:35.23 | iceroot | abrotman: no, aptitude is one char longer then apt-get :) |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | write an alias ... |
| 00:35.37 | iceroot | :) |
| 00:35.42 | abrotman | wonders how iceroot counts ... |
| 00:35.53 | abrotman | hides |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | iceroot: wait .. apt<tab> .. it's the same!!! |
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| 00:36.18 | abrotman | well, apti<tab> apt-<tab> |
| 00:36.28 | iceroot | forget tab :) |
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| 00:39.55 | chops | So I'm still unable to join my Debian server to an Active Directory domain -- I've followed the instructions on the Samba wiki and a few other places, and I get the error in http://pastebin.com/m35c52b17 . Does anyone know how this all works or how to fix this error? |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | chops: which version of windows? which vesrion of samba ? |
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| 00:44.02 | chops | abrotman: Samba 3.0.24 (etch), Windows Server 2003 R2 |
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| 00:46.47 | abrotman | chops: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/96274-problems-samba-active-directory.html .. same issue as that guy ? |
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| 00:47.15 | abrotman | oh .. gues not |
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| 00:48.24 | chops | abrotman: No, not quite same issue, but thanks |
| 00:48.41 | rgr | I tried to get inetd answering on port 113 but no joy. I enabled the port on both pc and router. But the irc channel I was trying to join still said no identd answer. Any suggestions as to why this might be? ( I tried about all the identd daemons debian squeeze offers). Or how to debug it? |
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| 00:48.46 | abrotman | wonders why there is a thanks ... |
| 00:49.00 | chops | abrotman: What I would really like is documentation that actually explains how the fsck all of this is supposed to work (e.g. what is meant by "the DNS domain of this server" in that error message) |
| 00:49.14 | chops | abrotman: Thanks for trying :-) |
| 00:49.21 | abrotman | chops: are you also the windows admin ? |
| 00:49.56 | chops | abrotman: I have the DC admin password and server manager open on the DC, but I'm not at all knowledgeable about Windows |
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| 00:50.24 | kmyst | anybody know if there is a limit on luks key file sizes? |
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| 00:50.50 | abrotman | chops: i'm basically asking if there is a real windows admin at your site :) |
| 00:50.56 | becks` | hi, after apt-get install phpmyadmin; what login do I have to use to access phpmyadmin/scripts/setup.php? |
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| 00:51.28 | chops | abrotman: Heh. There is, but they're not easily accessible over the holidays. They have not been stunningly helpful with problems like this anyway ("oh, Linux must be broken, have you tried reinstalling it?") |
| 00:51.34 | qwd | How can I check which folders do not contain a particular file? Like in my music collection, how can I list the folders that don't have a .log file? |
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| 00:52.35 | abrotman | chops: they should at least know which DNS server the AD PDC is referencing |
| 00:52.46 | Ricoshady | ubunto vs debian server, any thoughts ? |
| 00:52.58 | iceroot | Ricoshady: debian because its stable |
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| 00:53.04 | iceroot | Ricoshady: and its called ubuntu |
| 00:53.31 | Ricoshady | does debian release security patches? |
| 00:53.35 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 00:53.38 | chops | abrotman: The PDC is its own DNS server, and the Samba servers are both configured to use it for DNS |
| 00:53.39 | tensorpudding | for the stable release |
| 00:53.39 | iceroot | sure |
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| 00:53.50 | tensorpudding | i'm sure ubuntu does also |
| 00:53.52 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 00:53.52 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 00:54.16 | Pryon | haha |
| 00:54.19 | tensorpudding | ubuntu updates on a regular schedule, debian updates kinda-regularly |
| 00:54.29 | Laeborg | "W: Failed to fetch http://............................................. Temporary filure resolving 'volatile.debian.org' |
| 00:54.32 | Ricoshady | why do some people like ubuntu more? |
| 00:54.34 | tensorpudding | and much less frequently |
| 00:54.38 | abrotman | chops: okay .. stumped .. asked #samba ? |
| 00:54.42 | abrotman | Ricoshady: ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:54.52 | iceroot | Ricoshady: because ubuntu is debian with usability for the desktop |
| 00:54.55 | tensorpudding | ubuntu has a desktop focus and Canonical |
| 00:54.55 | abrotman | Ricoshady: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:54.57 | abrotman | Ricoshady: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:55.12 | cast | most people like windows most, so i wouldn't bother thinking too much into it |
| 00:55.29 | iceroot | cast: wrong, most peolpe only know windows |
| 00:55.32 | chops | abrotman: That was my first destination... I was met with a long silence :-). Thanks for your efforts; I'll ask again in an hour or so if I've gotten no further. |
| 00:55.50 | cast | iceroot: that doesn't make it wrong. |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | chops: yeah .. they're uh .. slow? |
| 00:56.03 | iceroot | cast: but that does not mean its the best |
| 00:56.03 | qwd | Ricoshady: both will do a great job. read up on the differences and decide yourself. |
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| 00:56.11 | Ricoshady | abrotman, I will ask #ubuntu tho I wanted to get a sense of what debian users thought |
| 00:56.22 | tensorpudding | debian users like debian |
| 00:56.28 | cast | iceroot: well fuck me, i never said what was *best* |
| 00:56.29 | tensorpudding | usually |
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| 00:57.15 | Ricoshady | tensorpudding, duh, though some people can think outside of what they like and can give a good idea of why certain types pick one over another. |
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| 00:58.21 | bit0 | hello, i've an acer aspire aod250, i've installed lenny, but the wired-network card doesn't work (lspci no info about it). Anyone could help me,please! |
| 00:58.25 | Selveste1 | Hey :) XEN have bin running grate on my debian Lenny box, with stock XEN-kernel, but now after a lot of time running I get this error "[sda] ... Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA" I don't really know what make this error to come, there is no problems under boot, anyone have an idea on what is rung? I run internal SATA |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | bit0: lsusb perhaps /. |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:58.51 | abrotman | bit0: does your wired connection work ? |
| 00:58.51 | cast | bit0: kernel might not support your nic, a bpo kernel might be in order |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | cast: lspci would still show it |
| 00:59.02 | bit0 | abrotman, no |
| 00:59.10 | abrotman | bit0: so neither lspci or lsusb show it ? |
| 00:59.21 | cast | abrotman: good point :\ |
| 00:59.23 | bit0 | abrotman, no, lspci, lsusb? |
| 00:59.33 | Ricoshady | why does debian rename stuff like httpd to apachectl |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | lsusb is another command |
| 00:59.48 | abrotman | Ricoshady: they didn't .. but you should use the initscript to restart it |
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| 01:00.01 | bit0 | abrotman, yes, but i've nothing connected to usb |
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| 01:00.39 | abrotman | bit0: so you have no functional network at all and 'lspci -nn' doesn't show your wifi device at all ? |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | or do you ahve a bunch of generic descriptions ? |
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| 01:01.06 | bit0 | abrotman, yes.. it shows me a wifi |
| 01:01.27 | abrotman | bit0: do you have the pciid? |
| 01:01.49 | bit0 | abrotman, atheros communication |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | the [8024:24ba] at the end of the line |
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| 01:02.31 | bit0 | abrotman, lspci -vv?? |
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| 01:02.38 | abrotman | no .. lspci -nn |
| 01:02.45 | newsense | abrotman: speaking of pciid, how do you find the driver needed based on pciid, i forget ? |
| 01:03.02 | newsense | abrotman: i believe you showed me how originally |
| 01:03.05 | abrotman | newsense: the easy way is to use the kmuto database |
| 01:03.16 | bit0 | abrotman, [168c:002b] |
| 01:03.17 | Selveste1 | bit0: it looks somethink like this: "06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)" |
| 01:03.25 | newsense | abrotman: you showed me the hard way i believe |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 01:03.37 | newsense | grepping a local file for the pciid i believe |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | !tell bit0 about kmuto |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | !tell bit0 about bpo |
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| 01:04.08 | abrotman | newsense: i don't think that works as of .28 or something .. still works on lenny |
| 01:04.39 | newsense | abrotman: ahh ok never know when ya might be without a connection but that link is good to have bookmarked, thanks |
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| 01:28.23 | deximat | Good night |
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| 01:30.31 | ratono | hi, when I connect to my linux machine with VNC I get a gray screen, how must I configure $HOME/.vnc/xstartup to connect with my current X session? (I use xfce+slim) |
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| 01:34.34 | NotAPuff | help |
| 01:34.37 | NotAPuff | !help |
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| 01:34.52 | NotAPuff | My debian is broken I think. |
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| 01:35.11 | abrotman | so ask a real question |
| 01:35.16 | NotAPuff | Yeah. |
| 01:35.27 | NotAPuff | I tried installing microsoft word, but it doesn't work. |
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| 01:35.35 | abrotman | NotAPuff: please troll elsewhere |
| 01:35.41 | NotAPuff | ? |
| 01:35.46 | NotAPuff | What's a troll do? |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | which command did you try to install it? |
| 01:36.13 | NigNogXmas | Tired of those feral negroid beasts and their monkeyshines? Are you uncomfortable with those Nazi-like groups? We have the forum for you! Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout we are not White Supremacists! We welcome anybody who isn't a nigger and who hates niggers! Thats right! At Chimpout we welcome the diversity of the human species by welcoming Asians, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, Arabs, Semites, Whites, Native Americans, Indian |
| 01:36.18 | NigNogXmas | s, etc. Basically we accept all races except for those fecal-colored Negros! Join us today in the epic battle of human vs. NIGGER! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 01:36.23 | NotAPuff | I just put in a cd. |
| 01:36.34 | NotAPuff | And it said it couldn't read the disc. |
| 01:36.45 | abrotman | NotAPuff: please troll somewhere else |
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| 01:37.05 | NotAPuff | really needs help though! |
| 01:37.28 | NotAPuff | huggles G_O_D and leaves. |
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| 01:39.58 | hikenboot | hello can anyone tell me how i might go about wiping an lvm logical partition (just one of many in a volume group) to insure data is not recoverable from that partition ? I could write random data to it but am afraid it might effect the other logical partitions... |
| 01:40.11 | abrotman | ensure |
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| 01:40.30 | hikenboot | right abrotman...sorry for the typo |
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| 01:57.59 | Decepticon | does this mean every day at midnight in crontab: 0 0 * * * |
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| 01:59.51 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:00.15 | Decepticon | thank you abrotman |
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| 02:01.01 | sdajhfsldag | hello, I am moving to new notebook system, is there a way to export my current repositories and trusted keys to the new one? |
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| 02:03.16 | abrotman | sdajhfsldag: your apt keys ? |
| 02:03.40 | sdajhfsldag | abrotman, yes |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | sdajhfsldag: which ones do you have outside of the Debian normal keys ? |
| 02:04.59 | sdajhfsldag | I have 10-12 other software repositories, and they have their own keys |
| 02:05.30 | sdajhfsldag | like virtualbox, skype, etc |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | looks like apt-key has an export option |
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| 02:06.17 | sdajhfsldag | abrotman, Ok I'll try that, and about repositories? I never understood the sources.list.d thing |
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| 02:06.32 | abrotman | sdajhfsldag: you can just copy all the files |
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| 02:06.40 | abrotman | just put them back where they came from |
| 02:06.54 | sdajhfsldag | sources.list and sources.list.d or whatever is under /etc/apt? |
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| 02:07.25 | abrotman | if you want all of them |
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| 02:08.44 | sdajhfsldag | abrotman, must I reboot after overwriting /etc/apt -r? |
| 02:08.49 | abrotman | nope |
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| 02:10.31 | apostle999 | does anybody know of any bill of materials type software |
| 02:10.47 | abrotman | like point of sales stuff ? |
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| 02:11.42 | apostle999 | actually just straight bill of materials (boms)....all I want to do is enter products and then make other products based on those products and then print them out in a nice report |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | freshmeat might be a good place to look |
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| 02:11.56 | apostle999 | thanks abrotman |
| 02:12.03 | sigmonsays | apostle999, http://tinyurl.com/yklvmbx |
| 02:12.14 | sigmonsays | sorry cant' resist |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | that's not nice |
| 02:12.35 | apostle999 | thats silly |
| 02:12.38 | apostle999 | hahahahaha |
| 02:12.47 | apostle999 | sigmonsays, I have been looking |
| 02:12.50 | sigmonsays | ;) |
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| 02:12.58 | sigmonsays | snarky should not be seen as not nice |
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| 02:25.51 | oreo | hey everyone! i'm trying to figure out what applications are using my RAM. I have 8GB on my server, and only a few hundred megs are reported to be left by /proc/meminfo. |
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| 02:26.44 | pngwn | !free ram |
| 02:26.45 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 02:30.39 | oreo | pngwn: problem is i got an out of memory error when trying to install postgresql |
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| 02:30.39 | ibib | hi, is there any documentation on using APT's DiffIndex feature from a repo point of view ? |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 02:31.15 | dpkg | As of version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff", which allows apt-get/aptitude update to download diffs of the repository's Packages file, instead of downloading the entire file every time. You can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::PDiffs "false";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf. |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | thought it might be linked from that |
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| 02:32.16 | ibib | abrotman, is there documentation on it ? |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | not that i've seen .. but i'm sure it's out there somewhere |
| 02:32.45 | ibib | google didn't fidn me any.. |
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| 02:34.31 | _stack_ | is there some software to let me show "unused" programs? maybe to remove long time unused program forgotten here... |
| 02:35.29 | newsense | i need an app to test wireless gain and show results in a graph form or an app that has an audible alert representing higher and lower gain |
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| 02:36.34 | Arjuna | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd |
| 02:36.38 | user__ | can someone take a look at my error log please http://alturl.com/hn48 |
| 02:36.42 | user__ | ? |
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| 02:37.56 | ibib | so DiffIndex is a mistery ? |
| 02:37.59 | newsense | user__: what exactly are you having problems with ? |
| 02:38.03 | newsense | !ask |
| 02:38.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:38.21 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 02:38.29 | newsense | goodnight |
| 02:38.43 | user__ | newsense, take a look at my startup log |
| 02:38.43 | ibib | DiffIndex BLAH |
| 02:38.47 | TrueDD | gnite newsense |
| 02:38.57 | user__ | u will see |
| 02:39.01 | babilen | newsense: you might have more luck in #wireless |
| 02:39.24 | newsense | user__: i've been around a while, no description of the problem with a alturl |
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| 02:39.29 | Arjuna | why are there many options to download at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ which one should i download? |
| 02:40.01 | newsense | user__: you ain't the first troll i've encountered ! |
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| 02:40.20 | user__ | http://tinyurl.com/yds75so |
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| 02:40.32 | newsense | user__: haha funny, confirmed my initial thoughts, TROLL |
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| 02:40.41 | newsense | !ops user__ trolling |
| 02:40.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: newsense complains about: user__ trolling |
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| 02:41.25 | mentor | poff |
| 02:41.27 | newsense | mentor: thanks |
| 02:41.39 | newsense | trolling and porn links |
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| 02:41.50 | dvs | aw |
| 02:41.51 | mentor | Yes, I checked |
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| 02:41.57 | newsense | haha |
| 02:42.04 | newsense | sorry to hear that |
| 02:42.15 | sdajhfsldag | abrotman, both worked very well thank you |
| 02:42.18 | mentor | It's alright, I'ma big boy |
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| 02:43.29 | Arjuna | why are there many options to download at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ which one should i download? |
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| 02:47.30 | Arjuna | why are there many options to download at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ which one should i download? |
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| 02:48.08 | babilen_ | Arjuna: do you have network connection during the installation? |
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| 02:48.32 | Arjuna | babilen_: not neccesarily |
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| 02:49.05 | Arjuna | babilen_: i prefer to install from dvd only |
| 02:49.49 | babilen_ | Arjuna: DVD1 / CD1 / netinstall should be all you need. You can install a complete system with Desktop environment with the first two, and a base system with the latter |
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| 02:50.11 | babilen_ | Arjuna: If you want all the packages you'll have to download the complete set |
| 02:50.32 | Arjuna | babilen_: do you mean http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent ? |
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| 02:50.52 | babilen_ | for example |
| 02:50.57 | Meiskam | Arjuna when I did an install about 2 weeks ago, the entire install used just the cd #1 |
| 02:50.58 | Meiskam | later i added packages |
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| 02:51.05 | Meiskam | those use the oither dvds |
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| 02:51.28 | macrobat | Arjuna: all debian pkgs are on those dvds |
| 02:51.28 | macrobat | the first one has the most popular pks |
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| 02:52.22 | MrPockets | so here I am |
| 02:52.26 | MrPockets | with a fresh debain install |
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| 02:52.39 | MrPockets | i plug in the static IP settings to NetworkSettings and save it |
| 02:52.42 | MrPockets | enbale the conenction |
| 02:52.55 | macrobat | Arjuna: dvds are nice if you don't want to install from the internet |
| 02:52.56 | MrPockets | but anything i try to ping says netowkr is unreachable |
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| 02:56.21 | Arjuna | does the first dvd http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent includes security as a firewall etc. ? |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | MrPockets: tried by IP too ? |
| 02:56.37 | MrPockets | come again? |
| 02:56.56 | Meiskam | Arjuna what package are you looking for? |
| 02:56.57 | Meiskam | i'll check |
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| 02:57.04 | abrotman | !tell Arjuna about cd contents |
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| 03:00.38 | Meiskam | !tell meiskam about cd contents |
| 03:00.45 | sixtila | my aptitude threatens to remove all the installed packages, and apt-get fails to retrieve from the sources |
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| 03:02.34 | Arjuna | Meiskam: firewall |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | !tell Meiskam about selftell |
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| 03:04.57 | Meiskam | Arjuna there is no package called "firewall" |
| 03:05.25 | Meiskam | are you talking about the iptables? |
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| 03:06.20 | Arjuna | Meiskam: i am not looking for a package called "firewall" i am talking about a firewall software |
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| 03:06.58 | Meiskam | there are many packages that will act as a firewall |
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| 03:07.30 | Arjuna | Meiskam: on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 03:07.35 | beardy | The very most use iptables. |
| 03:07.55 | beardy | Arjuna: Have a look at firehol. |
| 03:08.05 | newsense | yeah iptables is pretty good and not too hard to use |
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| 03:08.14 | Arjuna | sorry what is an iptable ? |
| 03:08.19 | beardy | !iptables |
| 03:08.19 | dpkg | The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 03:08.23 | newsense | frontend to netfiler |
| 03:08.50 | sixtila | how do i upgrade my kernel - currently no wireless |
| 03:08.51 | babilen | Arjuna: is this for a dedicated firewall? |
| 03:08.57 | abrotman | sixtila: which kernel do you have? |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | sixtila: which wifi device do you have ? |
| 03:09.17 | Arjuna | babilen: what is a dedicated firewall? |
| 03:09.36 | Meiskam | like, 1 machine that everything goes through .. and a lan behind that machine |
| 03:09.38 | newsense | Arjuna: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 03:09.41 | sixtila | dont know, but i am sure the newer kernel makes my wireless work - maybe i have |
| 03:09.46 | sixtila | 2.6.2 |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | sixtila: please don't guess .. which kernel and which card |
| 03:09.54 | beardy | Arjuna: He probably means a computer of some sort with two or more network interfaces where traffic passes through and is routed and filtered. |
| 03:10.03 | babilen | Arjuna: I mean: Will the computer you install the system on only act as a firewall. |
| 03:10.14 | beardy | Arjuna: Where that machine only or mostly does the above. |
| 03:10.20 | abrotman | sixtila: and if you don't knmow ... ask how to find out |
| 03:10.37 | sixtila | ya, thats better - cause i cant install any browser in my lenny right now |
| 03:10.41 | sixtila | how do i see it |
| 03:10.57 | Arjuna | well boys i am beggining to feel i need to study more |
| 03:11.08 | newsense | Arjuna: indeed |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | sixtila: lspci -nn and uname -a |
| 03:11.21 | Arjuna | may be i am not prepared for debian ............. |
| 03:11.23 | Meiskam | uname -r |
| 03:11.31 | newsense | Arjuna: iptables is pretty easy to get a basic firewall for a desktop up and running |
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| 03:11.32 | beardy | Arjuna: Study while you do. |
| 03:11.35 | babilen | Arjuna: If it is, you can also learn and implement a firewall with pf. You will have to install debian/kFreeBSD for that though |
| 03:11.47 | beardy | !firehol |
| 03:11.47 | dpkg | FireHOL is a high-level <iptables> rule generator, packaged for Debian. It does not support IPv6 (Debian bug #292621). http://firehol.sf.net/faq.html http://firehol.sf.net/ |
| 03:11.55 | sixtila | Linux sixtila-laptop 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 22:33:18 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:12.04 | Meiskam | firehol is on the second dvd |
| 03:12.11 | babilen | Arjuna: It looks like you want to learn either iptables or pf now and I would suggest you learn pf |
| 03:12.12 | sixtila | abortman can i paste the other long one in private? i have no browser |
| 03:12.19 | beardy | Arjuna: Learn while doing, using, I mean. :) |
| 03:12.35 | newsense | beardy: it never hurts to read up and know exactly what is being done and knowing why you are doing it |
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| 03:12.51 | newsense | beardy: I leaped straight into iptables myself |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | sixtila: use paste.debian.net |
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| 03:14.10 | Arjuna | babilen: no my machine is for personal use with a firewall as one of many software installed |
| 03:14.11 | newsense | i feel if i would have went with a simplified iptables rule builder i would have missed out on a lot |
| 03:14.58 | beardy | newsense: No, it doesn't. But he/she seems to not be wanting to completely master either, and is thinking of dropping Debian altogether, so.. |
| 03:15.02 | sixtila | yeah, i used w3m to do it - http://paste.debian.net/55109 |
| 03:15.17 | babilen | Arjuna: http://www.frozentux.net/documents/iptables-tutorial/ |
| 03:15.29 | newsense | beardy: you can go bsd or windows but if you stick with linux it'll haunt you |
| 03:15.40 | beardy | newsense: ? |
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| 03:16.09 | newsense | you said he's thinking of dropping debian due to not knowing ipotables correct ? |
| 03:16.15 | Mo | I personally like ufw, and I thnk it kicks @ss |
| 03:16.29 | beardy | I only read the same lines that is available to you. |
| 03:16.38 | newsense | might as well lean the basics at least |
| 03:17.35 | newsense | a simple iptables setup denying inut besides established and related, dropping forwarded packaets and allowing all outgoing and access to 127.0.0/8 from lo |
| 03:17.47 | newsense | should do it for a simple setup |
| 03:17.52 | sixtila | abortman http://paste.debian.net/55109 |
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| 03:18.13 | abrotman | !tell sixtila about bpo |
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| 03:21.28 | roe | anyone know the correct tool to use to migrate a linux install from one HD to another? (different size drives) |
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| 03:22.07 | chops | roe: cp -a |
| 03:22.21 | sixtila | updated the list, but still get the same problem - try to upgrade and it threatens to remove all the packages |
| 03:22.33 | roe | chops, how do I rebuild the mbr? |
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| 03:22.58 | Arjuna | is this a firewall pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.4.2-6_i386.deb ? i found it here http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=&l=http%3A%2F%2Fcdimage.debian.org%2Fcdimage%2Frelease%2F5.0.3%2Fi386%2Fjigdo-dvd%2Fdebian-503-i386-DVD-1.jigdo |
| 03:23.00 | _Trinity_ | what's bpo? |
| 03:23.08 | chops | roe: Chroot into the new installation, then rerun grub or lilo |
| 03:23.40 | beardy | !bpo |
| 03:23.40 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 03:23.46 | beardy | Tr0gd0r: Context? |
| 03:24.14 | sixtila | now i get a public key not available error |
| 03:24.19 | Arjuna | is this firewall pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.4.2-6_i386.deb ? |
| 03:24.35 | beardy | _Trinity_: Context? (but that's probably what you want) |
| 03:25.05 | Meiskam | Arjuna yes, you can use iptables to firewall |
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| 03:25.05 | Meiskam | it's on the first dvd |
| 03:25.12 | Arjuna | like this pool/main/i/iptables/iptables_1.4.2-6_i386.deb ? |
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| 03:25.52 | dvs | get outta here! ;-) |
| 03:26.21 | sixtila | update error - W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
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| 03:27.03 | dvs | sixtila: so, get the GPG key |
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| 03:27.18 | sixtila | how do i get it |
| 03:27.35 | dvs | !bpo key |
| 03:27.35 | chops | sixtila: Read backports.org |
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| 03:27.51 | sixtila | no browser so i m having difficulty |
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| 03:28.01 | craigevil | aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 03:28.05 | sixtila | if i install anything, then it says its gonna remove all others |
| 03:28.05 | jjmartin | is it possible to do a full debian install on a fat32 media |
| 03:28.33 | jjmartin | :O |
| 03:28.33 | Meiskam | Arjuna yes |
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| 03:28.54 | sixtila | craigevil trying to install that also tries to remove everything |
| 03:29.35 | chops | sixtila: Can you pastebin the exact output where it "tries to remove everything"? |
| 03:29.56 | babilen | !tell sixtila -about pastebinit |
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| 03:30.06 | Arjuna | Meiskam: do i have to explicitely turn on the firewall after DVD installation or will it be turned on automatically during install ? |
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| 03:30.32 | babilen | sixtila: "<cmd> | pastebinit" |
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| 03:30.46 | Meiskam | Arjuna iptables should be installed by default, but you have to make the rules yourself |
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| 03:31.28 | sixtila | http://paste.debian.net/55110 |
| 03:31.32 | Arjuna | Meiskam: i do not think i am prepared to make those rules by "my self" |
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| 03:32.00 | sixtila | trying to install pastebinit also causes the same problem |
| 03:32.07 | sixtila | removes all |
| 03:32.18 | chops | sixtila: Are you in mid-upgrade or something? What happens if you do aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | sixtila: aptitude install gnome-core |
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| 03:32.46 | sixtila | chops i think i did a full dvd install |
| 03:33.30 | sixtila | aptitude update - GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 03:33.50 | coolkehon | hi i installed debian with full disk encryption + lvm and when i went to boot it grub was on the flash drive i used for the net install and when it looks for the encrypted partition it looks for the wrong device (/dev/sdb3) when it should be looking for (/dev/sda3). i managed to get linux mint to boot but i think i need to chroot and rebuild the initramfs can anyone help me with this |
| 03:34.03 | sixtila | with gnome core installation - 3 installs and 178 remove |
| 03:34.07 | chops | sixtila: That's not a fatal error |
| 03:34.08 | sixtila | should i do that? |
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| 03:34.16 | chops | sixtila: I wouldn't |
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| 03:34.24 | chops | sixtila: What version of system is this? Have you done an upgrade or something recently? |
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| 03:34.35 | simonrvn | weee |
| 03:35.00 | babilen | sixtila: we've done this before. Install gnome-core, aptitude unmarkauto the others you want to keep and voila |
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| 03:35.06 | jjmartin | why d0es freenode net split so much? |
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| 03:35.16 | sixtila | chops no, just freshly installed - but found that there is a newer kernel to this |
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| 03:35.54 | coolkehon | hi i installed debian with full disk encryption + lvm and when i went to boot it grub was on the flash drive i used for the net install and when it looks for the encrypted partition it looks for the wrong device (/dev/sdb3) when it should be looking for (/dev/sda3). i managed to get linux mint to boot but i think i need to chroot and rebuild the initramfs can anyone help me with this |
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| 03:36.04 | sixtila | babilen i will do, i m afraid though that i might not again be able to come to gui |
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| 03:36.23 | sixtila | after restart, i always am in bash - |
| 03:36.26 | stew | jjmartin: ask in #freenode |
| 03:36.27 | dvs | sixtila: what's stopping you from installing the new kernel? |
| 03:36.41 | sixtila | no browser to see what codes needed |
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| 03:37.29 | macrobat | coolkehon: maybe you can use uuid to specify what partition you want to boot |
| 03:38.06 | coolkehon | macrobat: i think it's in the initramfs because it isn't specified in the kernel commandline what the partitions are |
| 03:38.11 | chops | sixtila: Yah, I think babilen's advice will stop the "wants to remove everything" problem |
| 03:38.50 | chops | Then follow the advice about debian-multimedia-keyring and the bpo key to solve the update errors |
| 03:39.09 | chops | sixtila: Then start worrying about gui and browser :-). Also, you can use a browser from a console; install elinks |
| 03:39.19 | babilen | w3m ;-) |
| 03:39.30 | sixtila | yea i used w3m and its so interesting |
| 03:39.44 | sixtila | but i cant deny that it is now practical for daily purpose |
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| 03:40.11 | chops | sixtila: Yeah, but it sure beats looking at a console prompt and saying "gee" :-) |
| 03:40.14 | macrobat | oh, i forgot you used lvm. then it's "root=/dev/mapper/" and volumegroup logical volume |
| 03:41.03 | sixtila | chops yesterday did the same, unmarked all the removed packets, and installed nome... and all, then restart and then i cant go anywher from bash - startx wouldnt work either - so reinstalled - haha |
| 03:41.16 | sixtila | so i m just so afraid |
| 03:42.29 | chops | sixtila: "packages", not packets. Properly installing gnome is a separate issue (though just installing the gnome package _should_ work); unmarkauto won't change your system's behavior except when installing and removing packages |
| 03:44.46 | chops | Also, gtg; best of luck |
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| 03:45.15 | sixtila | alright |
| 03:45.17 | sixtila | thanks brother |
| 03:46.36 | sixtila | is there a single command that will let me choose all the packages for not to remove? |
| 03:46.42 | sixtila | instead of havin to do +gnome |
| 03:46.51 | sixtila | +system-tools... everytime |
| 03:47.28 | babilen | sixtila: 'aptitude unmarkauto <pkg1> <pkg2> .... <pkgN>' |
| 03:47.44 | babilen | sixtila: man aptitude |
| 03:48.21 | babilen | sixtila: you could also try 'aptitude' (without arguments) |
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| 03:48.28 | sixtila | ya, ok |
| 03:48.28 | abrotman | it'd be easier to just install a metapackage of gnome that depends on those i'd think |
| 03:48.33 | jjmartin | installing debian it is asking for a domain name for the computer. what do i really need to give it? |
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| 03:49.16 | dvs | jjmartin: your internet domain. If you don't have one, use the default |
| 03:49.33 | jjmartin | hsd1.wa.comcast.net was auto assigned |
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| 03:49.56 | jjmartin | i'm on my home networking. I'm not running any servers. I just have a router |
| 03:49.57 | abrotman | jjmartin: you can leave it blank and change it later if you want |
| 03:50.02 | sixtila | my eyes wont let me stay anylonger |
| 03:50.08 | sixtila | thanks debian |
| 03:50.08 | dvs | jjmartin: then use the default. |
| 03:50.20 | sixtila | see u all |
| 03:50.36 | jjmartin | is there really a difference is speed for download on ftp/http? |
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| 03:50.50 | abrotman | jjmartin: http is usually less issue free |
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| 03:53.29 | ctmjr | sixtila: reinstall, your system is fubar you have been asking and getting answers for 2 days to the same problems |
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| 03:59.02 | jondwarf | should I use jfs on my netbook or just stick with ext3? I've heard jfs is great for low-ressource machines... |
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| 04:03.15 | streuner | jondwarf: well, it isnt a bad idea, IMO |
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| 04:04.47 | jondwarf | streuner: is jfs reliable though? I've heard some weird stuff about undeletable files, but I think that's just the random bug (tm), you know? |
| 04:04.48 | streuner | jondwarf: iam using jfs since years on my laptop |
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| 04:05.16 | jondwarf | mmm. how do you like it? do you ever have problems? I ran ext3 for a good 3 years on my desktop without problems... |
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| 04:05.41 | jondwarf | will it also do that boottime "checkup" that ext3 did? |
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| 04:05.46 | echosystm | hey guys |
| 04:05.46 | echosystm | i just installed wicd and im not getting any wireless networks coming up |
| 04:05.46 | echosystm | ifconfig shows that my wifi is detected |
| 04:05.46 | echosystm | and im running testing, so its not an ath9k kernel issue |
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| 04:05.49 | streuner | jondwarf: sure, on a unstable box you sometimes get problems.... |
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| 04:06.02 | streuner | jondwarf: yes |
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| 04:06.26 | streuner | jondwarf: but as default it doesnt use -f option... |
| 04:06.44 | jondwarf | well, I'm hoping to install it with ubuntu 9.10 actually (not my computer, I think she'll enjoy ubuntu more) |
| 04:06.48 | jondwarf | what's the -f option? |
| 04:06.53 | abrotman | jondwarf: then ask #ubuntu please |
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| 04:07.05 | xxtjaxx | hidiho I have updated my lenny box to squeeze and have now the problem that aptitude says that xorg-core isnt installed. This results in some configuration problems somebody there to help out on this?= |
| 04:07.36 | streuner | jondwarf: force, to run a full fsck on the FS, but please take the advice of abrotman |
| 04:07.57 | jondwarf | yeah, alright. |
| 04:08.06 | jondwarf | does anyone use stable on a netbook here? |
| 04:08.39 | jondwarf | and does stable properly detect those newer windows setups? (they keep croping up with extra partitions up the wazoo...) |
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| 04:09.24 | jondwarf | you know what, I'm going to give it a shot though |
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| 04:09.41 | jondwarf | and yeah, abrotman, I realise I should ask #ubuntu, but they're so useless. you guys give much better advice. ;O |
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| 04:10.04 | abrotman | joneal: then go to ##linux |
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| 04:23.32 | joneal | I'm here |
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| 04:25.25 | paissad-hp | is it possible to hide the wifi key into /etc/network/interface |
| 04:25.43 | abrotman | it's not readable by anyone except root anyways ? |
| 04:25.57 | abrotman | oh, it's 744 |
| 04:26.00 | abrotman | erm 644 |
| 04:26.12 | streuner | hm |
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| 04:26.27 | Hoxzer | ^_^ |
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| 04:26.55 | streuner | streuner@amset:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:26.56 | streuner | cat: /etc/network/interfaces: Keine Berechtigung |
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| 04:27.54 | abrotman | on my box here it's 644 .. maybe i did that, though i doubt it |
| 04:28.07 | abrotman | though i'm pretty sure on anothe rmachine it's 600 |
| 04:28.16 | streuner | hm |
| 04:28.27 | abrotman | maybe has something to do with n-m |
| 04:28.30 | streuner | maybe somebody else could give us more infos about... |
| 04:29.06 | zorrolero | here its also readable by go |
| 04:29.23 | streuner | zorroe: what does ls -l say about? |
| 04:29.32 | streuner | zorrol:^^^ |
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| 04:30.04 | zorrolero | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 277 2009-12-15 17:54 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:30.23 | streuner | zorrolero: hm, strange |
| 04:30.48 | streuner | -rw-r----- 1 root root 1030 7. Aug 20:32 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:31.05 | omes | a-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 355 2009-12-27 14:11 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:31.10 | omes | debian squeeze |
| 04:31.13 | zorrolero | didn't touch it, btw. all default stuff here |
| 04:31.19 | omes | fairly fresh install |
| 04:31.19 | zorrolero | yep, me too |
| 04:33.21 | roe | I am working on replacing my disk, I finished cping everything over, but when I chroot to the disk and run grup-install it errors with "/dev/sdf: Not found or not a block device." |
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| 04:34.46 | zorrolero | ah, maybe because omes and me are using the network-manager?!? we're lazy guys....) |
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| 04:35.17 | streuner | sure, you are :-P |
| 04:35.20 | zorrolero | omes? |
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| 04:35.49 | omes | yah zorrolero ;) |
| 04:35.55 | streuner | omg |
| 04:36.00 | zorrolero | hehe |
| 04:36.20 | jolip | Hi, total newb to debian here, need a good server system. which image should i download? |
| 04:36.24 | streuner | abrotman: good guess |
| 04:36.37 | streuner | stale |
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| 04:36.42 | omes | zorrolero: i think its not a problem to 700 it though... |
| 04:36.46 | streuner | stable |
| 04:37.11 | streuner | jolip: stable/lenny of course |
| 04:37.30 | omes | of course? :P |
| 04:37.45 | jolip | streuner: will it include a desktop environment and what not? |
| 04:37.47 | omes | i hardly think the of course even should apply to the majority of the people in here |
| 04:37.50 | jolip | i don't need an x server |
| 04:37.56 | streuner | sure, or do you want lots of headaches? ;-) |
| 04:38.16 | jolip | streuner: are you talking to me? |
| 04:38.18 | abrotman | jolip: not if you don't install it |
| 04:38.28 | abrotman | !tell jolip about netinst |
| 04:38.32 | streuner | jolip: good, lenny/stable has X, but you dont need to install it |
| 04:38.39 | omes | jolip: you should get the netinstall for stable like streuner said :) |
| 04:38.46 | zorrolero | omes: maybe not, but for me it's a running system with 644.) |
| 04:38.53 | jolip | omes: okay |
| 04:38.58 | jolip | thanks |
| 04:39.15 | streuner | abrotman: do you think its a bug in n-m? |
| 04:39.20 | omes | no problem. when it asks you about extra packages, just deselect everything and you can install everything you want later |
| 04:39.33 | omes | it will be like the base install in freebsd |
| 04:39.45 | abrotman | streuner: bug, no .. |
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| 04:40.11 | jolip | omes: well, i'm not that hard core, is there anything akin to ubuntu server edition? i'd like to have openssh, apache2 |
| 04:40.24 | abrotman | streuner: on a server with no X/n-m, it's also 644, server started as lenny |
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| 04:40.45 | omes | jolip: yes, you can chose to install those as well when you install the system |
| 04:41.08 | omes | jolip: its really not that hard to install those two programs though; apt-get install openssh apache2 and youre set... |
| 04:41.16 | jolip | oh really? |
| 04:41.30 | omes | yeah |
| 04:41.30 | nezb | can someone help me with xrandr? |
| 04:41.36 | jolip | ok. cool |
| 04:41.36 | omes | openssh works out of the box |
| 04:41.36 | abrotman | you would use aptitude |
| 04:41.39 | omes | nezb: just ask ;) |
| 04:41.50 | omes | jolip: apache you might have to enable some mods to get it working properly :) |
| 04:41.55 | abrotman | !tell jolip about why aptitude |
| 04:41.58 | nezb | I'm trying to force a resolution of 1280x1024 but xrandr won't let me go above 800x600 |
| 04:42.00 | omes | jolip: just google, lots of good articles out there |
| 04:42.02 | Bastihase | OMG my homebox crashed |
| 04:42.04 | Bastihase | :(((((( |
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| 04:42.10 | abrotman | nezb: which video card? which driver? |
| 04:42.15 | Bastihase | ram refushed -.- |
| 04:42.18 | jolip | abrotman: really, what's the benefit of aptitude over apt-get? |
| 04:42.26 | nezb | this is a VIA video card (mini ITX)... how do I check the driver? |
| 04:42.27 | abrotman | jolip: see what the bot told you |
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| 04:42.34 | abrotman | nezb: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:42.48 | omes | jolip: if youre new its a lot more intuitive |
| 04:42.50 | nezb | thanks, I'll look.. haven't dealt with this since Xorg.conf |
| 04:42.54 | jolip | abrotman: ah, nvm. saw the pm from dpkg |
| 04:43.08 | jolip | omes: well, i do have a fair bit of experience with apt-get |
| 04:43.11 | omes | if you want control however and if you know what youre doing, go with apt-get (read: you should probably use aptitude) |
| 04:43.15 | nezb | abrotman: driver is CHROME |
| 04:43.20 | abrotman | omes: no, he should use aptitude |
| 04:43.23 | omes | jolip: you chose then :) |
| 04:43.29 | abrotman | omes: so should you |
| 04:43.32 | omes | abrotman: thats what i just said |
| 04:43.41 | omes | abrotman: uhm, i dont think so :) |
| 04:43.44 | abrotman | if you know what you're doing, you'll use aptitude ... |
| 04:43.51 | omes | !tell omes about why aptitude |
| 04:43.56 | abrotman | !tell omes about selftell |
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| 04:44.37 | omes | abrotman: i definitely want to use apt-get :) |
| 04:44.38 | abrotman | nezb: is there any information about why you can't use higher than 800x600 in the log ? |
| 04:44.44 | abrotman | omes: then you don't know what you're doing .. |
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| 04:45.05 | nezb | abrotman: thanks for helping me... I'll look |
| 04:45.20 | abrotman | jolip: the DDs that make Debian have been recommending aptitude (over apt-get) for quite some time. |
| 04:46.04 | nezb | abrotman: when I try xrandr --output default --mode 1280x1024 |
| 04:46.11 | nezb | I get xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed |
| 04:46.28 | abrotman | nezb: if you just type 'xrandr' .. does it list any other modes higher than 800x600 ? |
| 04:46.34 | nezb | the logfile shows nothing except (II) CHROME(0): VIAAdjustFrame 1x1 |
| 04:46.35 | nezb | (II) CHROME(0): VIAAdjustFrame 0x0 |
| 04:47.01 | nezb | abrotman: I manually added the 1280x1024 resolution using the cvt tool |
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| 04:47.39 | nezb | then I added it to the xrandr list using --newmode |
| 04:48.15 | abrotman | nezb: you should look at the log and the output of xrandr .. see why it can't use it |
| 04:48.46 | nezb | abrotman: the log doesn't show any information. xrandr only says: Configure crtc 0 failed |
| 04:49.11 | nezb | I know this card can do 1280x1024 because Etch used to do it |
| 04:49.21 | jolip | abrotman: what are the main differences between what you told me to get and ubuntu server edition? is the installation process more/less the same? |
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| 04:49.34 | abrotman | nezb: can you restar the system and then paste your Xorg log in a pastebin ? |
| 04:49.47 | abrotman | jolip: i told you to get debian .. ubuntu is ubuntu |
| 04:50.02 | simonrvn | hmm cvt is handy |
| 04:50.04 | nezb | abrotman: yes I can do this. give me a couple of minutes |
| 04:50.04 | jolip | yes, but i'm asking you how it compares |
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| 04:50.21 | abrotman | jolip: i don't use ubuntu for servers .. that's how it compares :) |
| 04:50.26 | streuner | simonrvn: really? that was linuxconf too :-P |
| 04:50.47 | jolip | seriously, do you expect that to be appreciated as useful information? |
| 04:51.09 | streuner | jolip: we can tell you about Debian... |
| 04:51.25 | streuner | dont know shit about *bunt*... |
| 04:51.40 | abrotman | jolip: yes, I'm not going to bad mouth ubuntu, I don't use it on servers .. You should assume there's a good reason |
| 04:52.39 | jolip | yeah, i happen to agree -- that's why i'm making the change from ubuntu to debian, clearly because i think debian is better. |
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| 04:53.01 | jolip | you can either help make that shift easier for me, encourage it |
| 04:53.10 | abrotman | jolip: now as to why I use Debian .. Debian "Stable" is regarded by many as among the most stable linux releases available |
| 04:53.29 | jolip | or you can refuse to answer my questions because they pertain to something you don't like |
| 04:53.39 | abrotman | well tested, known set of issues, pretty good security support |
| 04:54.20 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 04:54.21 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 04:54.22 | nezb | abrotman: here you go :) http://pastebin.ca/1730300 |
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| 04:54.57 | jolip | I don't need to be convinced to use debian |
| 04:55.16 | nsadmin | oh good... my job is done here then! |
| 04:55.18 | streuner | thats a good start :-) |
| 04:55.19 | abrotman | nezb: i think that thing hates your monitor ? |
| 04:55.27 | newsense | q |
| 04:55.33 | abrotman | nezb: could you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 04:55.46 | jolip | I have already made that decision. What I would like to know is how it differs from what I am used to so that I can know what to expect. |
| 04:55.49 | nezb | abrotman: I don't have that file. It is empty |
| 04:55.55 | abrotman | nezb: good! |
| 04:56.12 | nezb | I thought squeeze no longer uses xorg.conf? |
| 04:56.16 | roe | can some one help me install grub on a new disk? |
| 04:56.19 | nsadmin | seriously... I'm looking for scorm-1.2 editor, as well as Learning Design editor/player |
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| 04:56.35 | nezb | roe: what kind of disk? |
| 04:56.42 | roe | sata |
| 04:56.48 | roe | I tried: grub-install /dev/sdf --root-directory=/mnt |
| 04:56.50 | nezb | roe: is it already partitioned? |
| 04:56.53 | roe | yes |
| 04:56.59 | nsadmin | where do you want grub installed |
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| 04:57.22 | nezb | roe: usually I will copy the files to /boot/grub and then from the grub cli run "setup" or "install" |
| 04:57.28 | roe | on the disk mounted in /mnt |
| 04:57.41 | roe | which is also sdf |
| 04:57.44 | nsadmin | whole disk? |
| 04:57.46 | roe | er, sdf1 |
| 04:57.57 | roe | but ya, the entire disk in one partition |
| 04:58.01 | abrotman | nezb: for some resaon, it seems like it can't detect anything from your monitor ? |
| 04:58.18 | nezb | abrotman: I hope it doesn't hate my monitor, I've been using this machine with Debian for three releases now :( |
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| 04:58.24 | nsadmin | so not the MBR? |
| 04:58.38 | jolip | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-cd/ <-- what is the difference between all of these numbered CD images? |
| 04:58.57 | roe | I am trying to replace the current disk (which hold the MBR) with this disk I just formatted and coppied / to |
| 04:59.09 | abrotman | jolip: it's usally better to get the netinst and get everything else over http sources |
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| 04:59.22 | nsadmin | roe: do you know what your choices are as to where on the drive to install grub? |
| 04:59.52 | jolip | abrotman: yeah, but i realized that i don't have access to a good internet connection where the box itself is. |
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| 05:00.10 | jolip | abrotman: and why? what are the advantages to doing it that way? |
| 05:00.17 | nsadmin | brb, abt 5-10 mins |
| 05:00.59 | abrotman | jolip: it usually saves a good amount of bandwidth and time .. especially for something that will be a server connected to the internet anyways |
| 05:01.14 | abrotman | jolip: by "good" .. do you mean slow or intermittent ? |
| 05:01.35 | jolip | abrotman: umm, both, but mainly slow. |
| 05:01.46 | abrotman | jolip: like .. 512Kbps ? |
| 05:01.49 | abrotman | or dialup? |
| 05:01.58 | roe | nsadmin, I don't really understand that question |
| 05:03.07 | jolip | well it doesn't break up all that often, but the speed is quite intermittent |
| 05:03.17 | abrotman | jolip: if you're not going to install X, it's generally fine to install over a slow line .. if you're just installing things like apache2 and php5 and postgresql .. it sohuldn't take too long over a slow DSL line .. certainly less time than downloading a whole CD |
| 05:03.40 | abrotman | jolip: and if you're going to install multiple machines, look at apt-proxy/apt-cacher/approx |
| 05:04.18 | jolip | nope, only one machine that i'm installing on |
| 05:04.33 | nezb | Is there a way to tell X not to use the CHROME driver but just regular old vesa framebuffer? |
| 05:04.36 | jolip | but still, time isn't really an issue because i'm at home, with a pretty decent connection |
| 05:05.23 | jolip | but at the office, where the server is, and where i'm going to be doing the install, the connection kind of sucks. but my office doesn't open until tomorrow, so i have a day to download everything i need at home. |
| 05:05.30 | jolip | so i may as well do that. |
| 05:05.37 | jolip | no? |
| 05:06.16 | abrotman | jolip: what kind of server is it ? |
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| 05:06.37 | jolip | It is going to be a library server. |
| 05:06.40 | abrotman | nezb: X -configure .. generate one |
| 05:06.45 | jolip | ILS server. |
| 05:06.54 | abrotman | jolip: i guess i should have asked what kind of software will you be installing |
| 05:07.05 | jolip | yeah. I will be installing an ILS |
| 05:07.14 | jolip | http://open-ils.org |
| 05:07.17 | nezb | abrotman: X -configure? |
| 05:07.25 | abrotman | it's a command to generate an xorg.conf |
| 05:07.26 | nsadmin | roe: hmm. do you want to understand grub, and booting? |
| 05:07.50 | nezb | abrotman: oh I see, I have to stop X first |
| 05:07.58 | abrotman | yep |
| 05:08.03 | babilen | jolip: another point to consider is, that the packages on the DVDs/CDs might be already outdated, so that you will have to download the packages anyway. Also consider, that you can install a base system from the netinstall CD just fine. |
| 05:08.06 | nezb | ok bye. I'll be back soon :P |
| 05:08.11 | roe | nsadmin, I'm pretty sure I do |
| 05:09.14 | abrotman | jolip: in all those docs .. does it have a required software list ? |
| 05:09.51 | paissad-hp | my raid 1 is degraded, i have another disk of the same size, before i go stfw, do you have any tuto or advice to give me for repairing the system ? |
| 05:09.58 | roe | I am replacing the boot disk with a new one. If I chroot to that disk to try to run grub-install /dev/ references get all screwy (understandably). If I run grub-install not chrooted but use, what I think are the correct options to install/configure grub on the new disk, it errors, saying the device is not in device.map (also understandabley) |
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| 05:10.43 | abrotman | jolip: okay .. other than the Sun JRE/JDK i'll guess most of that is on CD1 .. so you can grab CD1 and use that as your installation media .. and then also setup an http source .. and it will use the CD as long as there isn't a newer version via security or some other update |
| 05:11.21 | nsadmin | roe: ok, so what are your preferences as to where you want the grub stage1 and stage2 to go? |
| 05:11.37 | jolip | abrotman: I don't believe evergreen requires anything to do with java. |
| 05:12.05 | babilen | postgres, apache, perl, ... |
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| 05:12.18 | abrotman | jolip: ah mistook jserver-c as something java, not jabber |
| 05:12.25 | nsadmin | (my usual place for stage1 is mbr, and stage2 goes in the 64 unused sectors after the mbr) |
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| 05:12.46 | roe | nsadmin, stage1 on the mbr of /dev/sdf and stag2 in /dev/sdf1/ |
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| 05:13.51 | nezb | X -configure didn't work :( |
| 05:14.17 | nsadmin | ok, so you'll need a stage1.5 chainloaded or the sector list for stage2 as it sits in the filesystem to be written to the stage1 |
| 05:14.26 | pandrew | there is this application that works fine if it is started from a terminal. If i start it from a menu however, it doesn't start. if i start it with < /dev/null, it dies. if i start it with < /dev/zero, it kills the entire computer. At this point my only solution is to start it together with xterm. Is there some kind of fake terminal i can use? or is there a way to hide xterm right after startup? or at least minimize it? |
| 05:14.27 | babilen | jolip: you might also want to ask in #evergreen |
| 05:14.48 | nsadmin | what kind of filesystem is on sdf1? |
| 05:15.04 | abrotman | nezb: i meant that now you could edit it to your delight |
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| 05:15.12 | babilen | pandrew: "this application" ? |
| 05:15.21 | jolip | babilen: ask them what? |
| 05:15.26 | nsadmin | nezb: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
| 05:15.28 | roe | nsadmin, ext3 |
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| 05:15.37 | pandrew | babilen: it's something proprietary |
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| 05:16.00 | nezb | abrotman nsadmin - when I do that and try to start X with the config file it hangs the computer |
| 05:16.12 | pandrew | i think i need some kind of blocking source |
| 05:16.34 | nsadmin | roe: so you'd put stage1 on mbr, stage1.5 for ext2/3 chainloaded after mbr, then get stage2 by name off the filesystem |
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| 05:17.01 | roe | sure |
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| 05:17.25 | pandrew | something that acts like /dev/console, but is fake |
| 05:17.34 | nsadmin | or the other (poor) way is to get a sector list for stage2 and store it in the stage1 |
| 05:17.44 | babilen | jolip: Given that the server you are going to install is meant to run their software, you might want to ask the devs/users of evergreen about their experience/suggestions for running it on Debian too |
| 05:17.55 | nsadmin | which is bad because if you move the stage2 you break grub |
| 05:18.52 | nezb | I am going to try to use xserver-xorg-via driver |
| 05:19.44 | nsadmin | nezb: does the computer hang without a config file, or with an empty config? |
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| 05:21.21 | nezb | nsadmin: without a config file the system works fine but only in 800x600 |
| 05:21.34 | nezb | I think there is a problem with the openchrome driver |
| 05:21.58 | nsadmin | so then you generate the config file... and edit it? |
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| 05:22.33 | nezb | nsadmin: I tried to change it to use VESA instead of openchrome, but it hangs |
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| 05:25.02 | nsadmin | what happens if you try to run X after generating a new .config file and before changing it? |
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| 05:27.01 | generalsnus | i have a minimal debian install on an old laptop, I installed usbmount package.. is there some config to be done before this works? |
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| 05:27.28 | nezb | woo! just totally broke X now |
| 05:28.35 | pandrew | how could an application differentiate between real terminals associated to stdin, or a file or a fifo? |
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| 05:31.23 | generalsnus | let me rephrase: i installed a package called "usbmount" on my minimal debian install.. do i need to configure somthing before automount works? |
| 05:33.44 | nezb | is it bad if X says can't open /dev/fb0 but starts anyway? |
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| 05:43.53 | jolip | is it pretty easy to install a samba server from the cmdline on debian? |
| 05:43.56 | generalsnus | ah.. need to format the damn thing in ext2/3 |
| 05:45.15 | jolip | is that what "file server" refers to in the netinst installer? |
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| 05:48.35 | jolip | can someone explain to me how the code names in debian work? |
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| 05:49.18 | jolip | has lenny always referred to the stable version, whether that happened to presently be 3.0, 4.0, or 5.0? |
| 05:49.46 | jolip | or has lenny always referred to 5.0, even before that graduated to become the current "stable" release? |
| 05:51.05 | \amethyst | jolip: "lenny" has referred to 5.0 ever since it was in testing (before it was called 5.0) |
| 05:51.18 | \amethyst | jolip: it has never referred to another version |
| 05:51.39 | jolip | so there's a version called lenny |
| 05:51.50 | jolip | and lenny is at first in testing, |
| 05:52.17 | \amethyst | then becomes stable (as is now the case), then becomes oldstable (when squeeze is released) |
| 05:52.52 | jolip | i see |
| 05:53.23 | \amethyst | "sid" is the only code name that's different |
| 05:53.39 | \amethyst | it always refers to unstable, which is never released |
| 05:53.47 | \amethyst | and which continually changes |
| 05:54.22 | jolip | ah, i see, that's probably what was confusing me. |
| 05:54.45 | jolip | sorry, one more question and then i'm done for a while. |
| 05:54.47 | jolip | http://images.maketecheasier.com/2009/02/packageselection.png |
| 05:55.04 | jolip | can someone please explain to me what each of those options encompasses? |
| 05:55.33 | jolip | web server is no doubt apache |
| 05:55.40 | jolip | right? |
| 05:55.57 | jolip | is sql server going to be postgresql, or mysql? |
| 05:55.58 | \amethyst | jolip: yes; you can find out what packages each option includes with: |
| 05:56.19 | jolip | and what does standard system include? |
| 05:56.31 | jolip | actually,. those are the only ones i need explained |
| 05:56.31 | \amethyst | jolip: tasksel --list-packages database-server |
| 05:57.01 | jolip | oh, but i am not on a debian system right now |
| 05:57.27 | \amethyst | jolip: (you can ctrl-alt-f2 then press enter to get a terminal in the installer; ctrl-alt-f1 to get back) |
| 05:57.49 | \amethyst | jolip: database-server is postgres |
| 05:57.50 | robbe- | If it helps, you also can look at it like this: unstable points (always) to sid, testing points to the release in development (now squeeze), and stable points to the last release (now lenny). So if you want to follow a particular release, you use the name, if you always want the latest development/unstable/stable version, you use those names. |
| 05:58.13 | \amethyst | jolip: 'standard' contains all packages with priority standard, required, or important |
| 05:58.35 | jolip | i'm on windows right now, just researching the process for when i do the actual install, so thanks \amethyst, buddy. |
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| 05:59.33 | jolip | \amethyst: so is that just like apt, coreutils, stuff like that? |
| 05:59.52 | \amethyst | jolip: those would be 'required' or 'important' |
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| 06:00.55 | \amethyst | jolip: for 'standard': aptitude search ~pstandard ; it's basically a normal non-graphical Linux system with e.g. an MTA, python, patch, perl and locales, but no dev tools or anything like that |
| 06:01.50 | \amethyst | also NFS support is in standard I believe |
| 06:01.57 | \amethyst | (client) |
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| 06:04.43 | jolip | what would a system without standard system look like? |
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| 06:06.44 | jolip | \amethyst: just a bootloader? |
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| 06:08.44 | \amethyst | jolip: you'd still have most of the standard unix userspace---tar, login, passwd, a stripped-down perl, bash, coreutils, dpkg, etc are all in required |
| 06:09.29 | \amethyst | jolip: and apt, aptitude, dhcp client, and a lot more are priority important and will also be installed even without the standard task |
| 06:10.27 | jolip | so base is just everything in the repositories that is priority required |
| 06:11.06 | jolip | and everything that has priority important |
| 06:11.25 | jolip | and then "standard system" adds to that everything that has priority standard |
| 06:13.23 | jolip | \amethyst: is there any online interface to the debian apt repositories that will let me view all packages by priority? |
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| 06:17.13 | yucatan | i wanne limit the traffic speed to 150 kbps for each computer so that all computers have 150 kbps speed max how can i do that using tc |
| 06:21.28 | jolip | \amethyst: you still there? |
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| 06:24.08 | setuid | I have a freshly-installed Debian "stable" machine, and installed some LDAP tools to try to get that up and running, and now I can't log in as root. ppk login works, but not password login. |
| 06:24.19 | setuid | The logs show: |
| 06:24.21 | setuid | Dec 29 01:22:04 orion sshd[2833]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): auth could not identify password for [root] |
| 06:24.21 | setuid | Dec 29 01:22:04 orion sshd[2833]: Failed password for root from 10.0.1.4 port 47572 ssh2 |
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| 06:24.51 | setuid | Google isn't providing many helpful answers :( |
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| 06:29.35 | setuid | gar, something with /etc/pam.d/common-*, just rsync'd from a working machine and now I can log in as root |
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| 07:03.26 | project2501a | hey guys if i do find /opt/aleph0/fred/ -maxdepth 1 -type d |
| 07:03.44 | project2501a | how can i make find not print /opt/aleph0/fred ? |
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| 07:12.54 | cesurasean | debian squeeze out of sync dirty pointer - anyone know how to fix this problem on debian squeeze? my upgrade didn't go so smoothly, and now the internet is not working. how do i fix this? |
| 07:13.20 | cesurasean | out of sync dirty pointer - anyone know how to fix this problem on debian squeeze? my upgrade didn't go so smoothly, and now the internet is not working. how do i fix this? |
| 07:13.25 | cesurasean | whoops |
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| 07:17.22 | setuid | project2501a, -prune |
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| 07:29.02 | Darkclaw66 | if I want to run a crontab that goes every other sunday, how would I specify which sunday to start? |
| 07:29.45 | cesurasean | (1:28:18 AM) cesurasean: ok now i can connect through ssh but cannot ping or connect to anything once i am logged into ssh. wtf? |
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| 07:30.13 | Darkclaw66 | check your firewall |
| 07:30.33 | cesurasean | you mean my router? |
| 07:30.41 | cesurasean | it was working before i did the upgrade |
| 07:30.45 | cesurasean | why would it be different now? |
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| 07:30.50 | Darkclaw66 | not necessarily, on your box |
| 07:30.59 | Darkclaw66 | your box has a firewall probably |
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| 07:31.50 | Darkclaw66 | maybe when you recompiled it enabled the firewall |
| 07:32.04 | cesurasean | i removed iptables, and still the same problem |
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| 07:32.43 | Darkclaw66 | are you logged in as root |
| 07:32.48 | cesurasean | yes |
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| 07:33.04 | Darkclaw66 | are you able to do a nslookup |
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| 07:33.49 | cesurasean | i think i found the problem |
| 07:34.43 | Darkclaw66 | do tell |
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| 07:36.13 | cesurasean | nope still same problem |
| 07:36.15 | cesurasean | :( |
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| 08:00.03 | shylent | Hmm, sorry, people, but what is the *canonical* way of injecting dependencies into init-scripts (such as "service A can not be started while service B is not running"), so that it can't be started even manually? The LSB header? Or should I just hardcode the said functionality? |
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| 08:03.17 | cesurasean | is it possible the reason i cant connect to internet and only LAN is related to network-manager package? or is this a firewall type issue? |
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| 08:04.22 | BlackFate_ | cesurasean, maybe router issue? |
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| 08:05.46 | cesurasean | im pretty sure my router is fine |
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| 08:24.20 | jaggz | why can't my favorite player, xine, play any of my videos? mpeg4? mjpeg? |
| 08:24.45 | jaggz | mplayer handles it .. maybe I can just learn to love mplayer -- it seems to have nice keystroke commands. |
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| 08:27.00 | cesurasean | how come i have to keep typing in route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0 everytime i reboot my box? |
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| 08:27.42 | Hoxzer | cesurasean: /etc/nework/interfaces |
| 08:27.49 | Hoxzer | cesurasean: edit the gateway line |
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| 08:29.29 | cesurasean | Hoxzer, its the same? |
| 08:29.35 | cesurasean | 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:29.57 | cesurasean | so why do i still have to type this in in order to get internet working? |
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| 08:30.01 | Hoxzer | cesurasean: /etc/init.d/networking restart <--- does that change the gateway? |
| 08:30.16 | Hoxzer | cesurasean: I don't know but I'm helping you to find out |
| 08:30.53 | cesurasean | i get a warning when restarting |
| 08:31.45 | cesurasean | its stuck at reconfiguring right now... |
| 08:32.33 | Hoxzer | may I see that warning? |
| 08:32.46 | cesurasean | where would it be? syslog? |
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| 08:34.03 | Hoxzer | you just said you got a warning while restarting "networking" |
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| 08:34.24 | cesurasean | yes |
| 08:34.28 | cesurasean | let me find out what that is |
| 08:36.27 | cesurasean | i guess this is what i get for thinking squeeze was stable enough to possibly use... |
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| 08:37.25 | newsense | cesurasean: you gotta add it to interfaces file for a static route |
| 08:37.31 | cesurasean | Dec 28 17:19:13 debian kernel: [ 65.902977] 0000:04:04.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed (CSR5 0xffffffff CSR6 0xffffffff) |
| 08:37.41 | cesurasean | Dec 28 17:19:13 debian kernel: [ 65.902977] In tulip_poll(), hardware disappeared. |
| 08:38.15 | newsense | cesurasean: nm i think you said you had it there already |
| 08:38.21 | cesurasean | maybe that is linked |
| 08:38.26 | cesurasean | yeah, its in there already |
| 08:38.31 | cesurasean | something isn't right though |
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| 08:39.07 | cesurasean | wow |
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| 08:39.15 | cesurasean | there is a lot of garbage coming from the kernel |
| 08:39.21 | cesurasean | i'd say this box is trashed. |
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| 08:40.24 | BlackFate_ | cesurasean, you use any external program to handle interfaces? |
| 08:40.33 | cesurasean | no |
| 08:40.42 | newsense | i thought the same about this thing until i updated the bios, it's a newer system |
| 08:40.58 | cesurasean | it was in the middle of installing network-manager, and i rebooted the machine |
| 08:41.09 | cesurasean | was giving some kind of error |
| 08:41.13 | cesurasean | when it came back up, internet was shot |
| 08:41.34 | cesurasean | ive since added all safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 08:41.37 | cesurasean | :/ |
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| 08:43.48 | cesurasean | why would i need to enter in the route for it to work? makes no sense... |
| 08:44.30 | BlackFate_ | cesurasean, where is eth2 connected to? |
| 08:44.38 | newsense | cesurasean: is your gateway listed in route now ? |
| 08:48.23 | cesurasean | forget about it. i will probably just reinstall the entire server. i added a new hard drive and would like to change around the raid anyhow |
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| 08:48.49 | cesurasean | when i read my logs, some of them have so garbage in it that its unreal |
| 08:48.57 | cesurasean | tons of failed garbage in it |
| 08:49.26 | cesurasean | also, when i view on the terminal, it's almost the same way. it says its close to a kernel panic. |
| 08:49.32 | cesurasean | something about the pci bus |
| 08:49.47 | cesurasean | Dazed and Confused |
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| 08:50.35 | cesurasean | oh well |
| 08:50.36 | MendoCino | Aloha broderz |
| 08:50.44 | MendoCino | Sziasztok dicsoseges testvereim |
| 08:51.52 | cesurasean | good thing i was "testing" squeeze out. ;) |
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| 08:56.39 | MendoCino | ikonia bruder hello |
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| 09:04.07 | DomeDan | MendoCino: use #debian.hu if you want to communicate in hungarian |
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| 09:10.20 | BW^- | how do i make lighttp not start on boot? i want apache2 to start only |
| 09:10.32 | BW^- | i guess the answer is in update.rc.D , though i don't get how to use it in this purpose |
| 09:11.19 | cast | sysv-rc-conf is good |
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| 09:11.44 | DomeDan | is lighttp in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 09:11.59 | cast | you could, i don't know, look |
| 09:12.29 | DomeDan | i was writing to BM^- :P |
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| 09:12.36 | BW^- | DomeDan: yes it is |
| 09:13.04 | BW^- | so then.. update-rc.d lighttpd stop 02 ? |
| 09:13.08 | cast | ahh, true true |
| 09:13.13 | steven__1 | Is it possible to generate a list of packages that depend on a particular package ? |
| 09:13.31 | BW^- | domedan: ? |
| 09:13.37 | BW^- | and then the same but apache2 start |
| 09:13.40 | DomeDan | BW^-: ok, just rename it: mv /etc/rc2.d/S??lighttp to /etc/rc2.d/D??lighttp |
| 09:13.57 | cast | !rdepends |
| 09:13.58 | dpkg | it has been said that rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
| 09:14.26 | steven__1 | thanks cast |
| 09:14.30 | BW^- | ok. now, how do i make apache start on boot? |
| 09:14.32 | BW^- | it's not in rc2. |
| 09:14.42 | BW^- | or wait, it is, ah |
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| 09:14.51 | BW^- | thank you :) |
| 09:14.57 | DomeDan | BW^-: ok :) np |
| 09:15.47 | DomeDan | BW^-: but this is if you use runlevel 2. try as root: runlevel yo check |
| 09:15.51 | DomeDan | to check* |
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| 09:16.43 | BW^- | i do. super! |
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| 09:19.27 | cast | i'm thinking of running debian on a N130 i might buy tomorrow, sound like a good plan? |
| 09:19.51 | cast | i hear there are 2 models, one with atheros and one with realtek WLAN, so i'd go with the atheros |
| 09:20.52 | newsense | whats an N130 ? |
| 09:21.15 | cast | samsung netbook |
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| 09:21.25 | newsense | oh |
| 09:21.37 | cast | apparently the BIOS is a bit funny |
| 09:22.38 | newsense | my net purchase will be a home server |
| 09:23.00 | newsense | i'd like a netbook but have more use for the server |
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| 09:26.00 | DomeDan | im running debian on my asus eeepc 900 :) using it right now, im very glad to have a netbook |
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| 09:27.50 | DomeDan | cast: i cant find much info about the samsung N130 but it should work |
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| 09:29.15 | cast | it has some weird ATA exception being generated after 5 minutes |
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| 09:29.20 | cast | http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/63209/ |
| 09:29.42 | cast | might not get it :< |
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| 09:31.27 | cast | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N140#SATA_exception.2C_freeze.2C_reset :( |
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| 09:32.11 | cast | "At that point the SATA driver resets the disk to resolve the problem. The result: the user sees a complete system freeze for about 30 seconds, after which operation of the machine continues normally." |
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| 09:36.15 | Barton | andeghost, oh a ghost |
| 09:38.35 | DomeDan | cast: ok, but thers a patch :) |
| 09:38.41 | Barton | yeah |
| 09:38.50 | Barton | ghost is the patch |
| 09:39.02 | cast | well it has a few other issues too :< |
| 09:39.02 | DomeDan | dont feed the troll |
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| 09:39.39 | cast | and if it needs some non-mainline patch, thats really annoying |
| 09:39.59 | DomeDan | cast: have you looked for other notebooks? like asus? ^^ i have worked on a acer and im suprised, it worked well |
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| 09:40.48 | Barton | troolll |
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| 09:41.23 | jelly | no, idioottt |
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| 09:41.44 | Barton | yeah idiotttt |
| 09:43.26 | billy_goats | !hi |
| 09:43.27 | dpkg | hello, billy_goats |
| 09:43.42 | billy_goats | !whoami |
| 09:43.42 | dpkg | you're billy_goats you donkey! |
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| 09:43.56 | billy_goats | !kill jelly |
| 09:43.56 | dpkg | rips off jelly's balls with a whip |
| 09:44.15 | billy_goats | !slap bill gates |
| 09:44.15 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across bill gates's face |
| 09:44.19 | krion | hi |
| 09:44.21 | billy_goats | hi |
| 09:44.24 | billy_goats | how are you? |
| 09:44.28 | billy_goats | i am fine thank you |
| 09:44.39 | jelly | !ops billy_goats / Barton trolling |
| 09:44.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: billy_goats / Barton trolling |
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| 09:56.12 | hyper_ch | hi there, is it possible to watch a folder for new files and if new files are there to auto-email them to a given email account? |
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| 09:57.14 | JPT | hyper_ch: do du -sh on the folder and compare the results |
| 09:57.30 | JPT | once a file appears or its filesize stopped increasing, it is "there" |
| 09:57.51 | hyper_ch | JPT: will have a look at that... I thought there might be some little helper/daemon that could do it :) |
| 09:58.01 | JPT | mhh |
| 09:58.14 | JPT | i build something similar for the iceweasel cache to get mp3files |
| 09:58.16 | hyper_ch | problem is the network printer can only scan to usb drive or ftp and I want to get scanned in documents directly into my mailbox |
| 09:58.31 | JPT | hm |
| 09:58.53 | hyper_ch | I know, it's a tough question so early in the morning :) |
| 09:59.00 | JPT | mhh...it's okay |
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| 09:59.33 | hyper_ch | I could run a cron like every couple of minutes |
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| 09:59.55 | hyper_ch | and check if files have changed and then use mail.... but a helper that will auto-watch folder would be nicer |
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| 10:10.50 | dutchfish | auditd ? |
| 10:12.23 | vaq | Hello, I am trying to set quota and it fails with: quotatool: Failed fetching quotas: errno=38, Function not implemented - cat /etc/mtab shows that / xfs is mounted with usrquota |
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| 10:15.01 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: you mean me? |
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| 10:15.59 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, the kernel has a nice auditing system wich can be instructed too watch certain files/dirs just for that |
| 10:16.18 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, delve into auditd |
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| 10:16.38 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: I'm at the man page of auditd but it doesn't seem to be anything like that.... but then, I've never heard of it before :) |
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| 10:18.02 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, Read man pages - auditd, ausearch, auditctl |
| 10:18.17 | hyper_ch | dutchfish: will do so, thx for pointing that out :) |
| 10:18.26 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, yw |
| 10:19.29 | dutchfish | hyper_ch, there ar other ways as well |
| 10:19.57 | hyper_ch | well, I could write a batch script that ls the dir and then compares with lsof if it's finished writing to it |
| 10:20.11 | hyper_ch | but I'd rather use the tools already there :) |
| 10:20.20 | hyper_ch | batch -> bash :) |
| 10:22.52 | Matic`Makovec | Hello there. I wonder whether someone could enlighten me how to change the listening port of pureftpd? I did that <ip>,<port> thing in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind but this doesn't do the job. Any other options? |
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| 10:24.49 | jelly | judd: where are you?!? |
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| 10:25.25 | hyper_ch | Matic`Makovec: did you restart pureftpd? |
| 10:25.35 | Matic`Makovec | Of course, multiple times, hyper_ch |
| 10:25.47 | hyper_ch | Matic`Makovec: just making sure :) |
| 10:26.05 | Matic`Makovec | Yeah :) |
| 10:26.42 | hyper_ch | why do you use pure-ftpd and not proftpd? |
| 10:26.58 | DomeDan | Maric: did you edit /etc/pure-ftpd.conf ? |
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| 10:29.46 | Matic`Makovec | DomeDan, There is no such file existant. At least not here :< |
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| 10:30.59 | jelly | hyper_ch: why proftpd and not vsftpd! |
| 10:31.49 | hyper_ch | jelly: no clue... I don't know the pro/cons of any ftpd :) |
| 10:31.49 | hyper_ch | and proftpd is the only one I just know :) |
| 10:31.50 | jelly | !proftpd |
| 10:31.50 | dpkg | well, proftpd is a professional GPL'd FTP server for UNIX and UNIX-like operating systems. ProFTPd is also L33t as Flood's butt., down, something, dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... ask me about <vsftpd> if you don't need any ProFTPd specific features. Contributed tools and modules: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ . http://www.proftpd.org/ #proftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 10:32.12 | hyper_ch | jelly: which ftpd would allow easy user setup independentaly of /etc/passwd ? |
| 10:32.24 | Matic`Makovec | hyper_ch, does proftpd have the ability to have users added in mysql databse? |
| 10:32.38 | hyper_ch | Matic`Makovec: I don't know :( |
| 10:32.43 | Matic`Makovec | :< |
| 10:32.47 | Matic`Makovec | I can tell you pureftpd does :< |
| 10:32.52 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: proftpd has everything one can imagine |
| 10:33.11 | jelly | including a history of security issues |
| 10:33.17 | hyper_ch | can it proftpd make coffee? |
| 10:33.18 | Matic`Makovec | :D |
| 10:33.23 | DomeDan | Matic: yeah, i dont know why i see that file when searching the webb, but maybe you need to have a agrument when starting the ftp |
| 10:33.25 | hyper_ch | -it |
| 10:33.30 | jelly | hyper_ch: there's probably a module for that |
| 10:33.43 | Matic`Makovec | I can't determine now whether you're for or against proftpd jelly :) |
| 10:33.58 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: that's good. |
| 10:34.01 | Matic`Makovec | DomeDan, yeh, I encountered such issues myself before as well...reading about files that don't exist |
| 10:34.11 | Matic`Makovec | jelly, do tell! |
| 10:35.12 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: I won't. Instead I'll suggest using vsftpd and a pam-mysql backend thingy. |
| 10:35.29 | Matic`Makovec | Why pam? |
| 10:35.44 | hyper_ch | jelly: got any nice howto for that? |
| 10:35.48 | jelly | because vsftpd doesn't support mysql natively |
| 10:36.01 | jelly | hyper_ch: no, but I bet google does |
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| 10:36.10 | hyper_ch | jelly: google hates me :( |
| 10:36.18 | jelly | the feeling is mutual |
| 10:36.23 | Matic`Makovec | So basically, noone knows |
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| 10:36.28 | Matic`Makovec | Okiedokies, thanks for trying! |
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| 10:37.13 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: no spoonfeeding |
| 10:37.33 | Matic`Makovec | But of course...trust me, I did my research regarding that damned port! |
| 10:38.19 | jelly | well, it might be telling that noone in the channel uses that particular ftpd. |
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| 10:38.33 | Matic`Makovec | I figured as much |
| 10:38.39 | jelly | or they might be taking a few days off, who knows |
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| 10:48.34 | SPF | when I connect with xvnc4viewer to a server with vncserver running, my keymap is wrong |
| 10:48.49 | SPF | when I press G it'll put J instead |
| 10:48.50 | bleah | hi |
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| 10:49.10 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: Did you... read /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd/README.gz? |
| 10:50.14 | Matic`Makovec | I read online documentation but I take it it's similar jelly |
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| 10:50.18 | Matic`Makovec | Or is it... |
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| 10:50.41 | Zvpun | how can I install ntop without runing it all the time? I want to start it when I need it, but not during system bootup. |
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| 10:56.03 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: you really want to read the documentation that comes in the tarball as well. That stuff ends up in /usr/share/doc/packagename in Debian. |
| 10:56.38 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: I guess you'll find out about -S command line option then. That's the easier bit. |
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| 10:57.24 | jelly | Matic`Makovec: then you have to figure out how to "correctly" enable that command line option in the (overly complex) Debian init script for pure-ftpd. |
| 10:58.17 | jelly | Zvpun: use update-rc.d to make it not start in runlevel 2. (Or just delete /etc/rc2.d/S??ntop manually) |
| 10:58.18 | Selveste1 | Hey :) XEN have bin running grate on my debian Lenny box, with stock XEN-kernel, but now after a lot of time running I get this error "[sda] ... Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA" I don't really know what make this error to come, there is no problems under boot, anyone have an idea on what is rung? I run internal SATA |
| 10:58.24 | krion | may be pure-ftpd has something like snmpd does in /etc/default/pure-ftpd |
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| 10:59.57 | jelly | Selveste1: what you pasted is an incomplete line from dmesg and doesn't look like an error at all |
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| 11:00.54 | jelly | Selveste1: pastebin the last 100-200 lines of /var/log/kern.log, or the whole dmesg output, if you want someone to take a better look |
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| 11:01.58 | Selveste1 | jelly: After that line the system hangs and I cant see the rest of the log :( There are no probs with the 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel, only the XEN-kernel :( |
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| 11:02.51 | jelly | Selveste1: it doesn't get written to kern.log? |
| 11:03.43 | Selveste1 | I can't find it if it is written |
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| 11:06.04 | Selveste1 | jelly: I will try to add: acpi=off noapic on next boot and see if it helps |
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| 11:06.48 | jelly | ok, I can't help you with Xen anyway |
| 11:07.04 | Zvpun | jelly: update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 11:07.54 | jelly | Zvpun: which debian release is that? |
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| 11:08.07 | Zvpun | squeeze/sid |
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| 11:09.01 | jelly | Zvpun: you're on your own then |
| 11:09.03 | damo22 | how do i build a source package from a .dsc file and orig.tar.gz etc |
| 11:09.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | damo22:pbuilder is one way |
| 11:09.23 | jelly | Zvpun: no idea how that works yet |
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| 11:09.34 | Zvpun | jelly: thank you anyway |
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| 11:09.46 | damo22 | Pbuilder? |
| 11:09.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | damo22: yes. pbuilder. |
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| 11:11.05 | jelly | Zvpun: there may or may not be a way to disable the service in /etc/default/ntop |
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| 11:11.54 | streuner | damo22: why do you need this at all? |
| 11:12.34 | damo22 | streuner: i need to build an old version of a binary ATI fglrx driver, but it doesnt come packaged in ubuntu karmic |
| 11:12.53 | damo22 | i have the source package |
| 11:13.13 | BlackFate_ | damo22, its debian |
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| 11:13.59 | damo22 | debian utilities will still be effective for me |
| 11:13.59 | streuner | damo22: so you are using ubuntu? |
| 11:14.20 | damo22 | since ubuntu is basically debian based |
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| 11:14.30 | damo22 | yes |
| 11:15.08 | ehnvis | damo22: still ubuntu and you should take your questions to #ubuntu |
| 11:15.20 | streuner | damo22: please ask #ubuntu in future then - /msg dpkg nmg |
| 11:15.33 | damo22 | ok fine |
| 11:15.33 | streuner | !+tell damo22 -about nmg |
| 11:15.33 | dpkg | told damo22 about nmg. |
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| 11:23.00 | small_Avash | fuckers |
| 11:23.05 | small_Avash | !whoami |
| 11:23.05 | dpkg | you're small_avash you donkey! |
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| 11:25.04 | zebulon | bonjour. j'ai un _gros_ pb: je suis pas novice avec linux (connu slack vers 97-98, via un pote de fac, pendant que je tournais encore sur mon 'miga). j'ai déjà utilisé du ubuntu, puis passé à debian (installé et qui tourne déjà sur 2 vieux athlon-xp). là j'ai une C.M. "ASrock P55 Pro" + proc Intel I5-750 (4xcores) + nvidia GTS-250. impossible d'installer debian :!? ça s'arrete quand l'install essaie de monter le cd & le hd (tous e |
| 11:25.41 | ehnvis | zebulon: sorry but we use english in here. |
| 11:25.43 | Myztik_ | ... what? |
| 11:25.51 | ehnvis | !fr |
| 11:25.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:26.03 | zebulon | ehnvis: ok...I re, english... |
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| 11:27.02 | zebulon | i can't install debian in my new pc (ASrock P55 Pro" + proc Intel I5-750 (4xcores) + nvidia GTS-250). the install always stop when installer try to mount cd & hd (all sata) |
| 11:27.35 | cast | boot off a livecd and use debootstrap, then |
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| 11:28.01 | zebulon | i tried by setting (in the bios) sata mode=ide, or sata mode=ahic (something like this) |
| 11:28.27 | nevyn | zebulon: which debian are you trying to isntall? |
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| 11:29.44 | zebulon | nevyn: i tried 1) a debian-lenny-i386-stable from iso, 2) a ubuntu iso, 3) a just-loaded debian-kde-adm64-cd1.iso. all failed (for same reasonà |
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| 11:29.47 | zebulon | *) |
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| 11:30.38 | zeld | hi all :) i've some problem with fglrx driver |
| 11:30.39 | zeld | http://dpaste.org/P5w0/ |
| 11:30.41 | nevyn | I'm pretty sure that we all got over the whole Horrible magic to make sata cdrom's work right |
| 11:30.47 | nevyn | sata disks are a no-brainer |
| 11:31.15 | zebulon | i even try to find any forum answer, but founded none :[ |
| 11:31.16 | zeld | or i've one problem. Some times when i start debian i give a black screen :( and i have to poweroff the pc by pushing button. |
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| 11:31.39 | zeld | i have to try start some times before the screen will be usable with kde |
| 11:31.53 | zeld | i do not know if it depends from kde or it depends from video driver. |
| 11:32.06 | nevyn | zebulon: umm libata.enableatapi=1 as a kernel parameter |
| 11:32.06 | zeld | anyone have this problem? and have fix this one? |
| 11:32.10 | pantelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.44 | nevyn | pantelis: with ease if it's detected as a usb ethernet adapter.. |
| 11:33.02 | zebulon | nevyn: it's sure something about sata, because installer ask to find a good driver, to try to mount them (cd/hd) |
| 11:33.03 | nevyn | with horror if it isn't (either detected or a usb ethernet port |
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| 11:33.32 | nevyn | zebulon: try booting with libata.enableatapi=1 as a commandline parameter |
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| 11:34.26 | zebulon | yep, i write it for later ;) |
| 11:35.09 | zebulon | i already have to add a modules=ppp-udeb (else no cnx while install) |
| 11:35.20 | pantelis | nevyn : ican perform an installation using usd connsction but after booting to my system i cannot connect |
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| 11:35.37 | nevyn | pantelis: really that's wierd. |
| 11:35.52 | nevyn | so it'll install over the usb adapter but then fails to connect |
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| 11:37.39 | Selveste1 | jelly: After mutch searching in the log and booted on "normal" kernel I have found this: Normalboot: http://pastebin.com/d21641967 XENboot: http://pastebin.com/m2bb0d3fb |
| 11:37.43 | pantelis | may need to load any module?? |
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| 11:38.29 | ehnvis | pantelis: if you plug the usb adapter in does dmesg show anything about it? or /var/log/messages |
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| 11:40.11 | nevyn | pantelis: unplug the usb cable to the modem and re-plug it in |
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| 11:40.26 | nevyn | hotplug/udev/etc should load any required modules automatically these days |
| 11:40.27 | pantelis | i m doing it :) |
| 11:40.31 | chrisw1 | hi all, how can I get the mac addresses of all network interfaces on a machine? |
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| 11:40.39 | nevyn | ip link |
| 11:40.54 | diddy | Can one use apt-get under debian? Just like under Ubuntu? |
| 11:41.14 | zebulon | chrisw1: did you try a $ ifconfig ? |
| 11:41.16 | nevyn | diddy: ubuntu just picked that up from debian so yes |
| 11:41.24 | BlackFate_ | diddy, ubuntu can use apt-get like debian |
| 11:41.24 | thrashold | Can anyone suggest a GUI app for Debian that can edit ogg/flac/mp3 tags? (I believe you could with right click > properties in KDE 3, but that's gone in KDE 4) |
| 11:41.29 | nevyn | diddy: but... aptitude may work better. |
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| 11:41.35 | pantelis | where can i copy paste ? |
| 11:41.45 | diddy | OK, thx |
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| 11:42.07 | chrisw1 | zebulon: yep, but i missed the HWAddr until I looked now.. doesn't help that ifconfig's man page doesn't mention MAC at all... |
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| 11:42.14 | BlackFate_ | pantelis, pastebin.ca |
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| 11:43.12 | zebulon | chrisw1: you can recognize it easily, a number that looks like xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx(...) in the first line at each interface |
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| 11:44.11 | vmlinz | Hello, I find emacs meta package shows version 23.1+1-4ubuntu2+22.2+0ubuntu6.1 but it depends on emacs22 only. And many other elisp package depends on emacs22 not the master branch emacs23. |
| 11:44.32 | pantelis | http://pastebin.ca/1730550 |
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| 11:46.53 | zeld | ok :) bye guys :) |
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| 11:49.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | vmlinz: doesn't sound like a debian problem |
| 11:50.41 | pantelis | nevyn :any help with my router heree is the dmesg http://pastebin.ca/1730550 |
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| 11:51.40 | nevyn | pantelis: try running dhclient -i eth1 |
| 11:52.33 | drizzd_ | how can I find packages on hold? |
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| 11:53.14 | BlackFate_ | pantelis, with usb connected type wvdialconfig |
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| 11:53.27 | BlackFate_ | and see if there are any modems available |
| 11:53.39 | BlackFate_ | pastebin the results of wvdialconfig |
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| 11:54.16 | nevyn | BlackFate_: please stop helping. |
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| 11:55.12 | BlackFate_ | nevyn, when you say to someone with modem connected to do dhclient -i eth1.. then i guess you need to study more |
| 11:55.18 | BlackFate_ | before you start helping |
| 11:55.21 | nevyn | BlackFate_: read the pastebin |
| 11:55.27 | nevyn | modem as in adsl or cable modem |
| 11:55.38 | nevyn | the usb device is NOT representing a serial device |
| 11:56.12 | BlackFate_ | nevyn, i guess then my 3g usb modem is an illution |
| 11:56.24 | BlackFate_ | cause its connected with wvdial |
| 11:56.43 | nevyn | your modem may well provide a USB-> serial interface |
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| 11:57.16 | nevyn | however based on the log from his system pasted here: http://pastebin.ca/1730550 pantelis's doesn't ;) |
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| 11:58.41 | nevyn | pantelis: winning? |
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| 11:59.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | that pastebin looks like its not usb -> ethernet adaptor, but pure usb ethernet. pity i don't have my usb->eth dongle to check against |
| 11:59.51 | SPF | when I connect from xvncviewer to xvncserver I get a wrong keyboard layout, any idea where the problem might be? |
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| 12:00.15 | pantelis_ | nevyn thank you so much it work perfectly now (i m using it now :)) |
| 12:00.22 | nevyn | pantelis_: you're welcome. |
| 12:00.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | nevyn: ++ :) |
| 12:00.37 | nevyn | pantelis_: this is only good for this boot |
| 12:01.02 | pantelis_ | mm and how can i make a rule for that |
| 12:01.04 | nevyn | what I suspect happened is you've been bitten by device re-enumeration. (OH How I hate modern device discovery) |
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| 12:01.53 | nevyn | because when you booted during the installer the driver for the usb-ethernet(eth0) loaded before the driver for the onboard ethernet(eth1) |
| 12:02.00 | nevyn | this is guesswork however |
| 12:02.07 | nevyn | and they've just swapped |
| 12:02.31 | nevyn | SO to fix it.. so it mostly sorta works you could just change the interface name in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 12:03.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | or mangle udevs rule files to rename it to be how you want it |
| 12:03.19 | nevyn | however.. that's not actually reliable and you need to do udev magic that assigns a name to the device based on what it actually is (modemnic0) |
| 12:03.33 | nevyn | Kamping_Kaiser: ++ |
| 12:04.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 12:04.05 | nevyn | don't be a putz and go to the effort of udev rules and then just name it eth0 |
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| 12:04.58 | nevyn | pantelis_: did you understand that. or do I need to make it less complicated? |
| 12:05.21 | pantelis_ | i have a custom interface in /etc/network/interfaces in order to use them http://pastebin.ca/index.php |
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| 12:05.43 | pantelis_ | using it to up and down interfaces |
| 12:05.56 | DomeDan | pantelis_: fix that link :P |
| 12:06.46 | pantelis_ | http://pastebin.ca/1730562 |
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| 12:07.06 | pantelis_ | it would be nice to make it more clear (newbie here) |
| 12:07.35 | nevyn | ok. |
| 12:07.52 | pantelis_ | ifup eth=.... |
| 12:08.09 | pantelis_ | ifdown eth1=... |
| 12:08.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt there a bot factoid? z45? z75? something like t hat |
| 12:08.42 | pantelis_ | thats the wy that i handle my interfaces |
| 12:08.55 | pantelis_ | thats the way that i handle my interfaces |
| 12:09.05 | nevyn | pantelis_: ok |
| 12:09.23 | nevyn | so do you have a usb 3g modem at all? |
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| 12:09.54 | pantelis_ | no i have it just in case it needs |
| 12:10.13 | oggei | pantelis_: you can also try something like guessnet, it integrates well with interfaces(5), at least for different configs on same interface |
| 12:10.19 | pantelis_ | i have only a router ethernet and usb |
| 12:10.26 | nevyn | ok. |
| 12:10.40 | nevyn | pantelis_: so you have three options for connecting to the internet. |
| 12:10.50 | pantelis_ | excactly |
| 12:10.55 | nevyn | USB -> modem |
| 12:10.59 | nevyn | ethernet -> modem |
| 12:11.12 | nevyn | usb -> mobile internet dongle |
| 12:11.21 | pantelis_ | usb-->gprs |
| 12:11.27 | pantelis_ | yes |
| 12:11.33 | nevyn | yeah mobile internet dongle == gprs |
| 12:11.37 | nevyn | right. |
| 12:11.40 | Hoxzer | btw, does debian have similar mobile internet wizard as ubuntu does? |
| 12:11.44 | TangentCollision | coax -> anus |
| 12:11.54 | TangentCollision | best connection you'll ever get |
| 12:11.56 | nevyn | Hoxzer: network-manager exists for debian |
| 12:12.12 | Hoxzer | nevyn: not looking for that. |
| 12:12.31 | nevyn | TangentCollision: why don't you try that.. and well send 100kV up the coax? |
| 12:12.32 | TangentCollision | dhcpcd works on the debians, right? |
| 12:12.37 | Hoxzer | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fV1V8sW1L9s/SuXctf8JQNI/AAAAAAAAGeM/3pM-Aez4IlA/s1600-h/Screenshot-New+Mobile+Broadband+Connection+1.png <- sthis one |
| 12:13.01 | TangentCollision | nevyn: how else would I use my terminal? you some kind of X/tty masochist? |
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| 12:14.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hoxzer: isn't it just network mangler 0.7.something? |
| 12:14.25 | nevyn | yeah it is. |
| 12:14.34 | Hoxzer | Kamping_Kaiser: dude, I dunno |
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| 12:14.39 | nevyn | with a little database of worldwide providers. |
| 12:14.49 | Hoxzer | I just saw that howto |
| 12:15.16 | Hoxzer | and I was like "maan, I configured pptp and bluetooth and ... and ... " |
| 12:15.25 | Hoxzer | and all they had to do was to click "next" |
| 12:15.28 | nevyn | pantelis_: so of the availible 3 connections... which do you want to use? |
| 12:15.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Hoxzer: hit up backports, they might have it :) |
| 12:15.55 | nevyn | pantelis_: btw.. actuall ethernet will be MUCH faster than the usb-ethernet to the router. |
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| 12:16.49 | pantelis_ | i know |
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| 12:18.04 | pantelis_ | i want to setup /etc/network/interfaces in a way that i can connect additional to usb routers and gprs but my primary connection is ethenet router |
| 12:18.49 | pantelis_ | i have laptop |
| 12:18.53 | pantelis_ | :) |
| 12:18.54 | nevyn | right... |
| 12:19.17 | nevyn | this is somewhat heresy here... |
| 12:19.23 | nevyn | but. install network manager |
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| 12:19.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
| 12:20.18 | pantelis_ | dont like it moreover some experts (not me ) dont like the way yyhat handle interfaces |
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| 12:20.38 | pantelis_ | overwrite /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:20.40 | nevyn | sigh.. I think you're wrong but ok. |
| 12:21.28 | pantelis_ | i push my self to learn |
| 12:21.28 | nevyn | so you do need to do udev magic to get your interfaces registering in a reliable order with reliable naming |
| 12:21.51 | pantelis_ | any suggestions |
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| 12:22.04 | nevyn | (the fact this isn't automated by the installer as "New network interface discovered this chip on this pci port what do you want to call it" is sucky in my opinion) |
| 12:22.12 | nevyn | well I'd suggest |
| 12:22.15 | nevyn | usbrouter |
| 12:22.31 | nevyn | and cat5ethernet |
| 12:22.44 | nevyn | but it doesn't matter as long as it's obvious to you which is which |
| 12:22.51 | pantelis_ | what are these ?? debian packages?? |
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| 12:23.03 | nevyn | pantelis_: new names for eth0 and eth1 |
| 12:23.37 | nevyn | because eth0 and eth1 are A: meaningless.. and B: arbitary and most importantly C: not persistant or garunteed |
| 12:23.55 | nevyn | so if you reboot again.. eth0 might become eth1 and eth1 might become eth0 |
| 12:24.11 | nevyn | because in modern linux you can't rely on it to discover hardware in the same order anymore YAY |
| 12:24.27 | pantelis_ | so if understand right .... ifup/down usbrouter?? |
| 12:24.41 | nevyn | pantelis_: you've got to do the udev magic first but yes |
| 12:25.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | pantelis_: /msg dpkg udev , and read the related factoids :) |
| 12:25.24 | pantelis_ | thanks kaiser |
| 12:26.16 | krion | does someone know what is the mechanism behind this kind of behaviour |
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| 12:26.19 | krion | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2009-12-29 13:24 /proc/net -> self/net |
| 12:26.33 | nevyn | it's a simlink? |
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| 12:27.28 | beginner988 | hi |
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| 12:27.37 | nevyn | krion: is that what you wanted to know? |
| 12:27.37 | beginner988 | 2.6.26-1-686 is my kernel version |
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| 12:27.48 | beginner988 | what do you call it please? |
| 12:27.59 | nevyn | beginner988: linux. |
| 12:28.23 | beginner988 | :) |
| 12:28.27 | nevyn | well the linux kernel version 2.6.26 with debian subversion 1 compiled for 686 |
| 12:28.35 | nevyn | to give it it's full name |
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| 12:28.38 | beginner988 | I mean the distribuation name |
| 12:28.41 | nevyn | but I expect that's not what you wanted |
| 12:28.45 | beginner988 | woody |
| 12:28.49 | beginner988 | or lenny |
| 12:28.51 | beginner988 | or potato |
| 12:28.53 | nevyn | no.. |
| 12:28.53 | krion | nevyn: no |
| 12:29.11 | krion | it's more of the self/dir behaviour |
| 12:29.20 | krion | another machine doesn't have the symlink |
| 12:29.20 | nevyn | beginner988: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 12:29.30 | nevyn | krion: same kernel version? |
| 12:29.37 | beginner988 | ok |
| 12:29.41 | krion | indeed no |
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| 12:30.06 | nevyn | krion: the kernel people are probably re-organising proc for HPC people to support remote proc or something equally whack. |
| 12:30.25 | nevyn | my system also has /proc/net as a symlink to /proc/self/net |
| 12:30.34 | krion | oh ok |
| 12:30.36 | nevyn | krion: however the above is a guess. |
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| 12:30.57 | beginner988 | thanks nevyn |
| 12:30.59 | beginner988 | I got it |
| 12:31.09 | beginner988 | it is 5.0 |
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| 12:31.18 | beginner988 | so it should be lenny |
| 12:31.26 | krion | i'll grep for "self" pattern in changelog's kernel |
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| 12:32.12 | nevyn | http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0803.0/2401.html |
| 12:32.20 | nevyn | has the lkml discussion by the looks of things |
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| 12:32.54 | engy | squeeze/sid is testing? or unstable? |
| 12:33.09 | nevyn | yes |
| 12:33.09 | krion | thank you vm for the link nevyn |
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| 12:34.29 | nevyn | engy: they both have the same version string. because stuff in sid is theoretically automatically propagated to squeeze |
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| 12:36.30 | pantelis | nevyn i reboot my system and didn't need to do dhcpclient -i eth1 |
| 12:36.48 | pantelis | i just give ifdown eth0 |
| 12:37.00 | pantelis | ifup eth1=ws |
| 12:37.00 | engy | nevyn: ok, then all is well...=P |
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| 12:38.08 | nevyn | pantelis: did you setup the udev rules? |
| 12:38.21 | pantelis | NO not at all |
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| 12:39.55 | trstag | hey all... How can I know which modules are loaded/present for iptables? For example if I write forward/masquerading rules it won't work unless correct modules are loaded. Is there way to query which iptables modules are installed? (I tried man iptables but didn't find) |
| 12:40.30 | krion | lsmod ? |
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| 12:41.10 | trstag | what about modules that are not installed yet but that may be available for iptables? |
| 12:41.27 | krion | lsmod|grep {^nf,^ip} |
| 12:42.02 | krion | oops that regex doesn't work |
| 12:42.07 | nevyn | pantelis: this is the problem.. |
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| 12:42.15 | xk_ | hmm.. that would do '^nf ^ip' :o |
| 12:42.19 | nevyn | pantelis: you could reboot 10 times and everything be fine... |
| 12:42.25 | nevyn | pantelis: or it might be fine forever |
| 12:42.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | |egrep '()' :) |
| 12:42.31 | xk_ | what you want is egrep '^(nf|ip)' I think. |
| 12:42.46 | krion | nevyn: i'll do a ls /lib/modules/2.6.*/kernel/net/netfilter/ |
| 12:43.02 | krion | xk_: yes, that's what i usually do :) |
| 12:43.18 | nevyn | pantelis: but if you don't have udev rules for naming the devices there's no garuntees that they won't change under you. |
| 12:43.18 | pantelis | mm it has to do with what was recognized first and what second |
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| 12:43.29 | trstag | yup it's fine but what now if I want to find modules that are avaible but not modprobe'd yet? |
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| 12:43.42 | steve_j | hi folks |
| 12:43.58 | nevyn | pantelis: and if you're like me that's not something you want to walk your significant other through over the phone when it breaks and you're not home |
| 12:44.02 | trstag | a bit like I can do a "apt-cache search xxx" I'd like to do "tell me which iptables may be modprobe'd but aren't modprobe'd yet" |
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| 12:44.13 | steve_j | i've got an apache q, but no one in #httpd is listening. we're running Lenny on EC2, and i am wondering if someone can shed light on my puzzle |
| 12:44.20 | steve_j | 3x identical EC2 boxes, each serving four vhosts (from 4 separate files). we had to restart all apaches due to crazy load - after this, one of the apache instances was serving a.bar.com instead of b.bar.com. Is it at all possible that because load was so high, restarting apache wasn't clean and so it hadn't loaded all vhosts so it was defaulting to the first vhost? or is that impossible? after a reload the next day, the problem |
| 12:44.21 | steve_j | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.46 | pantelis | mm has to do with the new way that debian boots?? |
| 12:45.38 | nevyn | pantelis: it's more stupid HPC crap.. people complained that linux took too long to enumerate 500 gigE network cards in a machine |
| 12:45.49 | nevyn | so they parallelised device init by bus or soemthing equally stupid |
| 12:46.15 | nevyn | thinks about Debian/FreeBSD |
| 12:46.47 | krion | what's HPC ? |
| 12:46.54 | nevyn | High performance computing |
| 12:47.13 | nevyn | people with 500gigE nics in a single machine |
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| 12:47.31 | nevyn | that's not a speed that's 500 1GB ethernet interfaces |
| 12:47.33 | trstag | If I want to write per-user firewall rules (eg -m owner --uid-owner ...) how can I find out by myself which module I need to lsmod? |
| 12:48.14 | pantelis | nevyn i think that i understand |
| 12:48.15 | krion | nevyn: ok |
| 12:49.16 | nevyn | trstag: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/netfilter|grep owner |
| 12:49.57 | xk_ | hmm... not included with default kernel |
| 12:50.05 | xk_ | it should be ipt_owner |
| 12:50.45 | xk_ | funnily enough, it's enabled for the uml kernel. |
| 12:50.48 | nevyn | xt_owner |
| 12:50.54 | xk_ | ahhh |
| 12:51.10 | xk_ | ipt was renamed xt in 2.6.2x :> |
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| 12:51.24 | trstag | nevyn: thanks, ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/netfilter is what I was after... Even tough apparently ipt_owner ain't installed yet :) |
| 12:51.39 | nevyn | trstag: it's xt_owner |
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| 12:54.22 | pantelis | nevyn: here again .... is it possible to add options usbethernet vendor=xxxxxx product=xxxxxx at /etc/modprobe.conf.local |
| 12:54.50 | trstag | it works but... ipt_owner ain't there, how can I ask "Which package would provide me lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/netfilter/ipt_owner.ko" ? |
| 12:54.55 | nevyn | pantelis: possible yes. useful.. no. |
| 12:55.06 | trstag | nevyn: oops |
| 12:55.08 | xk_ | trstag: it's called xt_owner |
| 12:55.12 | nevyn | pantelis: it doesn't work. I've had this argument with people before. |
| 12:55.19 | pantelis | because it would be only for my router?? |
| 12:55.22 | trstag | nevyn: it changed name since the last Debian I was using :) |
| 12:55.24 | nevyn | trstag: you want me to engrave it on your forhead |
| 12:55.53 | xk_ | trstag: yep. I vaguely remember the name change too... it was quite a few years ago :> |
| 12:55.58 | nevyn | pantelis: nope because device discovery and enumeration happens before /etc/modules.conf is availible and it's stupid |
| 12:56.04 | nevyn | pantelis: just do the udev magic |
| 12:56.16 | nevyn | this sucks on ALL linuxes now it's not a debian thing |
| 12:56.30 | trstag | hehe... 'Problem' is Debian is so stable that I install it once, use it for years, then lots of things have changed once I upgrade : ) |
| 12:57.18 | nevyn | trstag: things that really bother me that changed.. if you have more than one eth interface in your machine you can't rely on it always being eth0 |
| 12:57.21 | pantelis | nevyn: pantelis is very happy to chat with you .....learning too many things :) |
| 12:57.37 | trstag | and even tough I religiously keep my notes around, sometimes they ain't useful anymore (say because ipt_owner became xt_owner :) |
| 12:57.41 | trstag | nevyn: ah good to know |
| 12:57.58 | trstag | nevyn: and I do have more than one eth interface :) |
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| 12:59.29 | nevyn | ok.. |
| 12:59.37 | nevyn | so the factoids are less helpful that google. |
| 12:59.39 | nevyn | factoid suck |
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| 13:01.52 | nevyn | pantelis: so for you you need a rule that looks like this: |
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| 13:03.49 | nevyn | KERNEL="eth*", SYSFS{address}="00:08:74:92:9c:69", NAME="ethZero" |
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| 13:03.54 | nevyn | except.. |
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| 13:04.57 | nevyn | pantelis: KERNEL="eth*", SYSFS{address}="00:e1:a7:76:76:81", NAME="usbrouter" |
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| 13:05.39 | pantelis | nevyn thats excactly i was looking http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
| 13:05.45 | nevyn | in /etc/udev/rules.d/02_nics.rules |
| 13:05.54 | nevyn | pantelis: that's where I cribbed it from yeah |
| 13:06.26 | pantelis | do you recomend that site?? |
| 13:06.27 | nevyn | actually mine's cribed from linuxnotes.net |
| 13:06.36 | nevyn | I like google |
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| 13:06.51 | nevyn | I tend not to have favorite sites. |
| 13:07.10 | nevyn | I pretty much hate the whole internet along with software vendors developers other sysadmins etc. |
| 13:07.33 | pantelis | navyn: ask because the first i see was debian wiki (find it helpless) |
| 13:07.45 | nevyn | useless? |
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| 13:08.20 | pantelis | yes |
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| 13:15.53 | starcraftman | oh hi Silver_Fox_, hehe, just clicked the link to test. |
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| 13:17.16 | nevyn | lastpak: that's a more complex question than I think you know. |
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| 13:20.53 | chrisw1 | woo! split! :_D |
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| 13:20.53 | Laeborg | Hi! |
| 13:20.53 | chrisw1 | anyway, for those left, why would ls output files in one order when run from a cron job and another when run from a shell? |
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| 13:21.27 | Laeborg | I just got a debian lenny server. I have installed vnc4server, but when I connect I don't see a terminal as I expected, but only the vncconfig window |
| 13:21.27 | DomeDan | chrisw1: maybe because you got a alias in .bashrc or cron might use sh instead, im not sure |
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| 13:24.14 | lastpak | nevyn what kind of information makes the question less complex |
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| 13:24.49 | nevyn | lastpak: so the problem is that there's no one place to configure this. |
| 13:24.57 | nevyn | well there is.. |
| 13:24.59 | nevyn | your MTA |
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| 13:25.29 | nevyn | the debian default MTA is exim? (I'm never sure these days...) |
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| 13:25.33 | wedge | yes |
| 13:25.35 | wedge | exim is default |
| 13:25.40 | wedge | and I dont know who they bribed |
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| 13:25.42 | wedge | it's horribad |
| 13:25.47 | nevyn | in which case you should be able to reconfigure it using dpkg to operate as a smarthost. |
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| 13:26.17 | nevyn | wedge: there are worse things... (sendmail) |
| 13:26.20 | Shtl | can any one suggest me the name for an application which queries all basic remote system information on LAN or WAN?? |
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| 13:26.47 | nevyn | Shtl: without agents authentication or snmp? |
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| 13:27.03 | nevyn | Shtl: or with agents/authentication/snmp? |
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| 13:27.19 | nevyn | Shtl: nessus will do the former |
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| 13:27.33 | nevyn | nagios will do the latter |
| 13:27.39 | nevyn | OpenNMS will do bits of both. |
| 13:27.43 | lastpak | exim true ... |
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| 13:28.11 | wedge | nevyn: postfix is awesume |
| 13:28.12 | nevyn | lastpak: do you want local mail delivery |
| 13:28.24 | Shtl | this appln also retrives info like disk usage, users logged in, and Other PC in LAN up |
| 13:28.31 | nevyn | wedge: it's no qmail </troll> |
| 13:28.36 | chrisw1 | DomeDan: how would an alias change things and what difference does sh vs bash make? |
| 13:28.41 | lastpak | not importand (local) nice maybe.. |
| 13:28.43 | wedge | ;O |
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| 13:29.41 | DomeDan | chrisw1: if you got a alias that will make for example: ls be ls -a if you want to |
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| 13:30.00 | nevyn | stabs the ircops |
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| 13:31.42 | chrisw1 | DomeDan: the entries are the same, it's the order of the entries that changes |
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| 13:33.03 | lastpak | not importand (local) nice maybe..nevyn |
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| 13:33.42 | DomeDan | christw1: ok, is it a script you got? exactly what difference does it do? cronjobb vs the command |
| 13:33.47 | nevyn | lastpak: mail is one of those things where the flow is extremely flexible. |
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| 13:34.20 | chrisw1 | DomeDan: the order of entries in the output is different, other than that, the output is identical |
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| 13:36.48 | DomeDan | christw1: is it reversed? |
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| 13:37.42 | lastpak | nevyn if you have time this week and if you're willing to keep a private chat open for a wile do think whecould get somewere...just asking, if not no hard feelings |
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| 13:38.35 | chrisw1 | DomeDan: no, some items are in a different order, here's a diff... http://pastebin.com/dfe603d3 |
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| 13:42.00 | DomeDan | chrisw1: ok, isnt the files that begins with a in the second list? |
| 13:42.42 | chrisw1 | er? do you know how to read a unified diff? |
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| 13:44.15 | DomeDan | chrisw1: no, i dont understand. :P maybe someone else can help you |
| 13:44.36 | chrisw1 | moran... |
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| 13:48.11 | genoobie_away | good morning |
| 13:48.46 | dutchfish | DomeDan, http://www.linuxforums.org/articles/using-diff-and-patch_80.html |
| 13:48.46 | libertad0 | good morning genoobie_away |
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| 13:48.55 | libertad0 | good morning everybody |
| 13:48.56 | libertad0 | I wish I created a package that is included in the Debian project. What is the procedure? |
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| 13:49.35 | genoobie | hey all |
| 13:49.44 | genoobie | I'm trying to get my wireless card to work |
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| 13:49.58 | dutchfish | libertad0, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 13:50.07 | genoobie | i did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter |
| 13:50.26 | genoobie | and the card's leds are still dark (even after a reboot) |
| 13:50.32 | genoobie | suggestions? |
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| 13:51.13 | DomeDan | dutchfish: thanks :) |
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| 13:51.55 | kaeser_desktop | Hi. |
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| 13:52.40 | filePeter | What fs encrypt keysize (sha256 aes-cbc-essiv) is enough against normal non cia-like attacks on my desktop? |
| 13:52.54 | filePeter | Any resource on that? |
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| 13:53.30 | genoobie | I tried to follow the instructions here... http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 but to no avail |
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| 13:53.54 | abrotman | genoobie: for which device? |
| 13:54.16 | abrotman | and which driver is loading? |
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| 13:56.05 | genoobie | abrotman, I have a broadcom 4306 pcmcia wireless card |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | i didn't think that crappy company made pcmcia |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | genoobie: did you read through 'dmesg' for hints ? |
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| 13:58.47 | Astroman | what package do I need to monitor hardware RAID or is this hardware dependent? |
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| 13:59.33 | stew | Astroman: its hardware dependant |
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| 14:00.14 | Astroman | how do I find out exactly which RAID card is installed? |
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| 14:00.38 | dutchfish | Astroman, lcpi -v |
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| 14:01.29 | Astroman | stew: so there are no standard lenny packages which monitor hardware RAID? |
| 14:02.15 | misch | Astroman: Hardware RAID from WHICH vendor? |
| 14:02.24 | jelly | Astroman: depends on which hw raid you're talking about. |
| 14:02.43 | stew | what they said |
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| 14:03.03 | Astroman | I'm not sure. the dedicated server I am using is suppsed to have hardware RAID. How do I find out which card I have? |
| 14:03.09 | jelly | Astroman: you'd typically get some tools from the vendor. If you're very lucky, there might be free tools in Debian. |
| 14:03.11 | stew | lspci |
| 14:03.11 | Caelum | it takes vim like 2 seconds to write a file on my eeepc, any way to buffer writes so that it doesn't do that? |
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| 14:03.39 | Astroman | RAID card is 3ware Inc 9650SE SATA-II RAID |
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| 14:03.42 | eeg3 | In theory, isnt it best to avoid multiple writes on the eeepc ssd? |
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| 14:03.56 | MaMner | hello |
| 14:04.01 | jelly | Astroman: apt-cache search 3ware ? |
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| 14:04.08 | MaMner | i am Russian man |
| 14:04.10 | Caelum | eeg3: yeah, and I want to run the script I just wrote without waiting 2 seconds (very annoying) |
| 14:04.14 | stew | Astroman: you can get the 3dm2 tools from debian-unofficial.org |
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| 14:04.22 | MaMner | wait |
| 14:04.30 | MaMner | help me pliz |
| 14:04.30 | jelly | Caelum: you're using vim in a script? |
| 14:04.34 | stew | Astroman: the tools are not legally distributable though and therefore cannot be in debian |
| 14:04.39 | dutchfish | Astroman, http://www.3ware.com/support/OS-support.asp |
| 14:04.48 | stew | MaMner: if you have a debian related question, just ask it |
| 14:04.48 | Caelum | jelly: no I :w my script in vim, then I go to another screen to test it out |
| 14:04.54 | MaMner | åáàíûå âû óðîäû |
| 14:04.59 | Caelum | jelly: but I have to wait 2 seconds in betweenn because the :w is so slow |
| 14:05.03 | MaMner | ñóêà |
| 14:05.06 | stew | MaMner: english only in here |
| 14:05.13 | stew | MaMner: if you want to speak russian, try #debian-russian |
| 14:05.28 | Astroman | thanks guys - I'll have a look |
| 14:05.32 | MaMner | ùëóí |
| 14:05.36 | MaMner | okey |
| 14:05.49 | MaMner | fuck you |
| 14:05.55 | MaMner | bitch |
| 14:05.57 | jelly | Caelum: I guess your editor is trying to fsync() or similar the file after it's written, and you have a very slow disk. |
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| 14:05.57 | MaMner | ñóêàààà |
| 14:06.01 | MaMner | áëÿòü íó âû óðîäû |
| 14:06.03 | Caelum | !fuck MaMner |
| 14:06.12 | jelly | Caelum: also, do not feed the trolls |
| 14:06.13 | MaMner | ñóêà ÿ òÿ â æîïó åáàë |
| 14:06.27 | xk_ | :> |
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| 14:06.43 | Caelum | jelly: yeah the /home ssd on the eee 1000 is incredibly slow, I think I might have to get the runcore ssd upgrades |
| 14:06.59 | Caelum | jelly: but I was wondering if there's a mount option that will buffer writes or something |
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| 14:07.03 | jelly | Caelum: why not write your file to a tmpfs or ramfs |
| 14:07.06 | shinefox | ²ÙÄãÂ裬·¢Ê²Ã´ÂÒÂëÓв¡ |
| 14:07.11 | jelly | Caelum: then copy it back |
| 14:07.17 | shinefox | ²»ÌÖÂ۾͸øÎÒ¹ö |
| 14:07.26 | jelly | srsly |
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| 14:07.50 | jelly | !beer stew |
| 14:07.50 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Yuengling Lager for stew |
| 14:07.51 | stew | shinefox: english only in here, please |
| 14:08.14 | shinefox | ok |
| 14:08.24 | DomeDan | Caelum: i use ext2 on my eeepc 900, and it aint that slow, not 2 seconds, you use ext3 right? |
| 14:08.38 | Caelum | DomeDan: yeah the 1000 has a very slow SSD |
| 14:08.49 | Caelum | DomeDan: it has 2, a not-so-slow and a very slow |
| 14:09.01 | eeg3 | writing to a tmpfs sounds like a decent idea |
| 14:09.18 | Caelum | sure but it's inconvenient because my code is in SVK/git/whatever checkouts |
| 14:09.53 | Caelum | DomeDan: using ext3 yeah |
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| 14:09.58 | eeg3 | So you want vim to automatically save your file every so often? |
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| 14:10.34 | Caelum | no I just want ext3 to not commit writes except periodically in the background, if that's possible |
| 14:10.55 | jelly | Caelum: ext3 in your kernel has very unopitmal fsync(), and this is compounded by the slow device. Use ext2. Or upgrade the kernel to something like 2.6.31+ |
| 14:10.56 | xk | mount ext3 with commit=300 |
| 14:11.02 | xk | and add noatime,nodiratime |
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| 14:11.20 | Caelum | jelly, xk: thank you very much |
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| 14:12.24 | Biintang^_^moet | off (bobo') |
| 14:12.25 | misch | Hi. My system shows a quite high load average (0.60) but the CPU is nearly 100% idle. In top I cannot identify any process using the power. top output at http://www.pastebin.org/69608 Any ideas what uses the CPU? |
| 14:12.27 | xk | journalling hampers performance, too. |
| 14:12.55 | xk | misch: snmpd, pingd. |
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| 14:13.15 | xk | misch: load is a combination of cpu usage and waiting-for-i/o. |
| 14:13.22 | misch | But these both cannot cause 0.60, or can they? |
| 14:13.36 | xk | see the D states? |
| 14:13.36 | misch | Yes. |
| 14:13.36 | xk | they contribute to the load calculation value. |
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| 14:15.18 | DomeDan | Caelum: you can find much usefull for your eeepc here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/TipsAndTricks |
| 14:15.30 | misch | xk: Ok. But together these processes (pingd, snmpd) used ~1h CPU time. Sine the system is up 24 h I think this cannot cause the 60% load average. |
| 14:15.56 | xk | hmmm |
| 14:16.01 | xk | load != cpu usage. |
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| 14:16.40 | xk | it's cpu usage + waiting-for-IO |
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| 14:17.18 | xk | so if you have extremely slow disks (5400 RPM SATA drives), you would have a relatively higher number than 15K RPM SAS drives. |
| 14:17.38 | xk | providing IO is the major contributing factor to the load value. |
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| 14:17.54 | xk | a load of 1.0 doesn't mean 100% cpu is used. |
| 14:18.13 | misch | But if waiting for I/O is the problem, why do I have 0% waiting states in the CPU? |
| 14:18.14 | xk | load 1.0 could mean 50% of the time, cpu is used, and the other 50% of time, it is waiting for disk IO to complete. |
| 14:18.40 | xk | because that wait value is sampled every 3 seconds |
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| 14:18.49 | xk | and load is 1-5-15 minutes. |
| 14:19.10 | xk | then again. |
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| 14:19.21 | xk | you have a good question - it should be non-zero since there are two processes in the D state |
| 14:19.35 | jelly | !load |
| 14:19.38 | xk | I really don't know what it represents. |
| 14:19.54 | jelly | !loadavg |
| 14:19.54 | dpkg | it has been said that load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, eg: I/O, network socket responses. |
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| 14:20.11 | xk | ahhh... there we go |
| 14:20.20 | Astroman | stew: the 3dm2 tools at debian-unofficial say they are unfinished and not to use them. |
| 14:20.39 | stew | Astroman: oh really? |
| 14:20.45 | xk | hmmm |
| 14:20.46 | stew | i've been using them for 6 or 7 years |
| 14:21.09 | abrotman | genoobie: did looking through dmesg help ? |
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| 14:21.12 | stew | is a zombie process runnable? :) |
| 14:21.18 | xk | heh |
| 14:21.18 | Astroman | assuming I am at the right place - http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ |
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| 14:22.32 | paradoxmonkey | aufs isn't included in the main linux kernel, is it? |
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| 14:23.39 | misch | dpkg: Then shouldn't I see a lot of wa states in the CPU? Instead it is ideling 100%. |
| 14:23.39 | dpkg | misch: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:24.20 | netkey | who is starfox? |
| 14:24.25 | netkey | are u there? |
| 14:24.28 | xk | no |
| 14:24.34 | genoobie | abrotman, you still here? |
| 14:24.39 | fodiengonk | hi |
| 14:24.40 | jelly | misch: dpkg is a bot. |
| 14:24.41 | abrotman | yes .. ijust asked you a qeustion |
| 14:24.49 | fodiengonk | i'm here |
| 14:24.50 | genoobie | yes, it did. |
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| 14:24.58 | abrotman | genoobie: all working now ? |
| 14:25.03 | genoobie | eventually I found that I need to play with iwconfig. no |
| 14:25.10 | genoobie | here's a wiki I'm trying to work through |
| 14:25.10 | genoobie | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSKandWPA2-PSK |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | genoobie: get the driver working first |
| 14:25.44 | genoobie | the driver is working |
| 14:25.59 | misch | xk: Any other idea? |
| 14:26.03 | genoobie | iwconfig shows the device as being there |
| 14:26.05 | fodiengonk | netkey,hello |
| 14:26.14 | netkey | hi |
| 14:26.16 | genoobie | with a b43legacy driver |
| 14:26.17 | netkey | i see u |
| 14:26.26 | abrotman | netkey: Do you have a Debian question ? |
| 14:26.26 | fodiengonk | en |
| 14:26.34 | xk | misch: is it causing obvious problems? |
| 14:26.36 | netkey | nice to meet u here |
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| 14:27.01 | yancho_ | hi. i would like that at a cli I check for the output of a command (this is the output: IF-MIB::ifOperStatus.1 = INTEGER: up(1) ) the result displayed is OK - anyone can please guide me as to what I need to write? i am a bit lost with regards to regex at cli :S |
| 14:27.03 | misch | xk: No, not really. Just annoying. And: I can imagine your next posting. |
| 14:27.04 | xk | misch: if not, then it's best not to worry about it until you can observe (apart from numbers) something is wrong. |
| 14:27.07 | xk | heh |
| 14:27.09 | abrotman | genoobie: okay, so what else do you want to know ? |
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| 14:27.24 | xk | misch: Is it running in a virtualisation environment? |
| 14:27.26 | genoobie | well I'm editing the interfaces file in etc |
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| 14:27.40 | genoobie | I'm going to copy the section on the wireless card |
| 14:27.42 | misch | xk: no real machine. |
| 14:27.46 | xk | what specs? |
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| 14:27.55 | xk | cpu and hdd. |
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| 14:28.25 | misch | really bad hardware. But the machine has basically nothing to do. Just a HA firewall. |
| 14:28.35 | xk | hmm |
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| 14:29.09 | jelly | abrotman: today's a good day for trolls |
| 14:29.13 | xk | harddrive could have heaps of relocated sectors |
| 14:29.21 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 14:29.44 | misch | Two machines. Nearly Identical behaviour. |
| 14:29.45 | fodiengonk | hi,everybody,how do i install the debian on my machine? how to beginning? |
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| 14:30.04 | xk | so... what cpu and hdd? |
| 14:30.13 | genoobie | ugh |
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| 14:30.37 | netkey | hey guys,how can I reboot my machine in shell? |
| 14:30.49 | genoobie | wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 14:30.52 | genoobie | frig |
| 14:30.57 | ulgo | reboot, init 6 or shutdown -r |
| 14:31.11 | genoobie | then dhcpdiscover keeps looking, but not finding anything |
| 14:31.15 | es-web | Hi, im running debian etch on a virtual machine on esx 2.5 I have 2 drives one for /var and one fore any thing else. I made the root drive nonpresistend to see if upgrading to lenny was working. but now when i try to do the upgrad in persistend mode apt-get says that all packaged is up to date, how to fix this? |
| 14:31.58 | genoobie | wrong driver? |
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| 14:32.30 | ulgo | fodiengonk: first you should know what type of maschine (architecture) you have |
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| 14:32.38 | genoobie | abrotman, it's stuck |
| 14:32.43 | bogdan_ | Hello people. |
| 14:32.52 | abrotman | genoobie: maybe you sohuld try without WPA first ? |
| 14:32.54 | JordiGH | What package has Asian fonts for X? I installed xfonts-intl-asian, but I'm still getting hex codes instead of Chinese squiggles. |
| 14:33.01 | es-web | I can see that the running kernel is the old one, so the packageds is not up to date but apt-get thinks so |
| 14:33.07 | misch | xk: cpu: AMD Sempron 3200+. How Do I get info about HDD? |
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| 14:33.25 | genoobie | abrotman, so do I just delete what I did in interfaces? |
| 14:33.35 | genoobie | all of it? |
| 14:34.01 | genoobie | or just the part about ssid / psk |
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| 14:34.11 | abrotman | genoobie: are you going to turn off the WPA ? |
| 14:34.11 | JordiGH | Is there any runtime penalty for installing all xfonts-* packages? |
| 14:34.29 | genoobie | abrotman, temporarily |
| 14:34.38 | JordiGH | does it. |
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| 14:34.54 | xk | misch: dmesg | egrep 'hda|sda' |
| 14:35.13 | pantelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.16 | genoobie | abrotman, I've turned off wireless security on the router |
| 14:35.49 | genoobie | so if I leave the auto wlan0 line and the iface wlan0 inet dhcp line |
| 14:36.02 | genoobie | but delete the two wpa lines in interface I should be ok, no? |
| 14:36.03 | bogdan_ | folks i'm in a little predicament. I have had this laptop stashed for some time and now (it used to run ubuntu 5.10) when I updated the system itself it ended up grabbing packages from the debian repository. now i have a mix ofnew debian packages and ubuntu old ones. I tried to update to full debian but it is unable to remove the old ubuntu packages. any of you heard of well this issue before. |
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| 14:36.12 | misch | xk: HDD info: http://www.pastebin.org/69620 |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | genoobie: you still need to have the wireless-essid |
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| 14:36.51 | bogdan_ | any hints or suggestions on how to fix this ? |
| 14:36.52 | Stereo | bogdan_: reinstall? |
| 14:36.55 | xk | misch: ok... now to debug IO usage. |
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| 14:37.01 | ulgo | bogdan_: never upgrade from ubuntu to debian, this is not a good idea |
| 14:37.06 | xk | misch: powertop and iotop are two tools that I've used in the past. |
| 14:37.13 | bogdan_ | I didn't want to do that that's the problem |
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| 14:37.25 | genoobie | what does the line look like for that? |
| 14:37.27 | bogdan_ | i simply let the system work on it's own and ... well got me in the situation. |
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| 14:37.32 | genoobie | do I need to set the channel too? |
| 14:37.32 | misch | xk: Best thing: load goes high every 115 minutes (2h - 5 min). |
| 14:37.33 | xk | there are other similar tools, but those are the "easiest" to use. |
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| 14:37.51 | abrotman | genoobie: no |
| 14:38.03 | xk | misch: running rsync every 2 hours? |
| 14:38.07 | JordiGH | bogdan_: You can't downgrade. You're screwed. You have a mixed system, by your own stupidity of putting debian lines in your sources.list. Reinstall. |
| 14:38.10 | genoobie | how do I id the essid? |
| 14:38.12 | misch | xk: high usage lasts for exact (!) 70 mins. |
| 14:38.20 | bogdan_ | i haven't touched sources.list |
| 14:38.28 | misch | no. |
| 14:38.31 | JordiGH | bogdan_: Then the situation you describe is impossible. |
| 14:38.36 | genoobie | in interfaces, do I still use the line wpa-ssid <network name> |
| 14:38.46 | xk | misch: what HA tools are you using? |
| 14:38.59 | bogdan_ | I checked sources.list and it seems .. the old ubuntu had also debian sources added to it's sources.list file. |
| 14:39.03 | misch | pacemaker with corosync |
| 14:39.12 | genoobie | abrotman, btw thanks for the help |
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| 14:39.19 | JordiGH | bogdan_: Was Ubuntu ever that stupid? |
| 14:39.20 | misch | But Is killed that program already. Cannot be the cause. |
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| 14:39.29 | bogdan_ | well seems it was. |
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| 14:39.56 | abrotman | no |
| 14:40.02 | Dantix | morning!, I need to clone a HD with partitions: 137Gb ext3, 2Gb swap to other of 30Gb. Tried dd and clonezilla with no luck. The data size on source HD is nearly 10Gb. How can I achieve this? |
| 14:40.05 | JordiGH | bogdan_: #ubuntu suggests you're confused or lying. |
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| 14:40.10 | bogdan_ | are there any command line tools i can use for burning a cd perhaps with a minimal debian iso and perform a reinstall? |
| 14:40.10 | xk | misch: hmm... so when there is high load, have you checked which processes are in the running or uninterruptable (D,Z and probably other) state? |
| 14:40.11 | ulgo | bogdan_: 5.10 is a version from 2005 ? you could try to insert the newest version of ubuntu in your source.list and upgrade, but I don't think it will work |
| 14:40.23 | genoobie | what will I do to establish the ssid? |
| 14:40.25 | misch | xk: Yes. See top output |
| 14:40.34 | bogdan_ | prolly I am just very very confused. |
| 14:40.38 | abrotman | genoobie: it's the name of the router .. the SSID .. i have no idea what it is |
| 14:40.44 | xk | misch: just those two? |
| 14:41.01 | xk | misch: is that the start of the 70min load, or after 15mins+ |
| 14:41.11 | genoobie | no, I know that, but what does the line in interfaces look like. |
| 14:41.35 | abrotman | bogdan_: do you need to preserve the data on the machine ? |
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| 14:41.35 | bogdan_ | JordiGH: I have no reason to lie. |
| 14:41.40 | bogdan_ | abrotman: nope |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | genoobie: wireless-essid <name of AP> |
| 14:41.57 | JordiGH | bogdan_: Sure you do, to get help in a situation where we would otherwise refuse to help you and refer you to Ubuntu (not saying you're doing this, but you do have reasons for lying). |
| 14:41.57 | genoobie | abrotman, even if there's no encryption? |
| 14:42.01 | misch | xk: At the moment I have a feeling it is the snmpd. I don't know how this can cause the time pattern I see, but I will di further.. |
| 14:42.03 | SPF | when I connect from xvncviewer to xvncserver, my keys are shifted. z=o g=e. How do I fix it? |
| 14:42.05 | genoobie | duh, omg I'm an idiot |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | bogdan_: so pick which distro you want, and ask how to instlal it fresh .. or figure out how to get it to a version that you want without installing |
| 14:42.21 | genoobie | the wpa would probably have worked if I friggin' finished the interface setup |
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| 14:43.07 | bogdan_ | abrotman: Guess it's the only option... a fresh reinstall |
| 14:43.14 | genoobie | abrotman, how do I "restart" |
| 14:43.15 | JordiGH | Do I need to restart X to make new font packages work? |
| 14:43.25 | genoobie | b/c ifup says it's already up and running |
| 14:43.36 | abrotman | bogdan_: it may not be .. but it depends how much of a process you want to go through |
| 14:43.38 | genoobie | sudo ifup wlan0 = already configured |
| 14:43.42 | bogdan_ | now to find a text based web browser or the exact location of Debian ISOs |
| 14:43.43 | abrotman | genoobie: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:43.47 | cyril_ | Hi Everybody |
| 14:43.48 | genoobie | abrotman, thank you |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | !tell bogdan_ about netinst |
| 14:44.08 | xk | hmm |
| 14:44.09 | cyril_ | I have an issue and i need help |
| 14:44.17 | bogdan_ | abrotman: the question is, can i configure debian netinst to work with pppoe? |
| 14:44.19 | abrotman | so ask |
| 14:44.19 | JordiGH | Aha, I have Japanese fonts now. |
| 14:44.21 | JordiGH | w00t |
| 14:44.27 | cyril_ | ok |
| 14:44.28 | abrotman | bogdan_: it has pppoeconf on the netinst |
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| 14:44.32 | ulgo | bogdan_: links, links2, elinks ... |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | w3m! |
| 14:44.42 | abrotman | lynx ? |
| 14:44.47 | bogdan_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:45.19 | cyril_ | I'm french (sorry for my langage). I have an issue, i have an host who is a debian mirror, i can install every package. (it works) . I have a laptop and i have specified my local repository ( http://my_server/debian) and the default repository of debian (ftp.debian.org ...) . I want use a priority for example when i'm on the private network i use the repository of my server and when i'm out of my office i would like use the internet repository. In the |
| 14:45.19 | cyril_ | file /etc/apt/preferences i'm not able to specify the priority between my personnal repository and the official repository |
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| 14:45.59 | genoobie | abrotman, okay the wireless seemed to connect properly once the security was off |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | genoobie: okay, so now you get to read about WPA .. or use somjething like network-manager/wicd |
| 14:46.46 | genoobie | right |
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| 14:47.27 | genoobie | I should just install wicd |
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| 14:47.29 | bogdan_ | well seems i can't install any comand line browser. i'll have to work the manual ftp way and eventually find the ISOs |
| 14:47.47 | bogdan_ | and a command line tool to burn the CD |
| 14:47.56 | cyril_ | if somebody can help me :) |
| 14:48.03 | abrotman | bogdan_: you don't have any other systems that are functioning properly ? |
| 14:48.09 | xk | misch: not sure what else I can suggest. |
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| 14:48.18 | genoobie | but why have the daemon running if I don't need to |
| 14:48.48 | bogdan_ | nope |
| 14:48.54 | genoobie | abrotman, so why are the two lines here insufficient for wpa? |
| 14:48.54 | bogdan_ | just this one |
| 14:48.56 | genoobie | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSKandWPA2-PSK |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | bogdan_: so why can't you use X ? |
| 14:49.35 | bogdan_ | xfonts seem to be not working |
| 14:49.37 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/WPA h |
| 14:49.41 | bogdan_ | i tried manually configuring them. |
| 14:49.45 | bogdan_ | ... no luck |
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| 14:50.13 | abrotman | bogdan_: remove the ubuntu sources .. enable the Debian ones + security .. dist-upgrade the box .. pray a lot |
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| 14:51.30 | bogdan_ | abrotman: the ubuntu sources are gone. seems all I got is Debian |
| 14:51.32 | misch | xk: Thanks. |
| 14:52.03 | genoobie | abrotman, do I *need* this line too? |
| 14:52.04 | genoobie | wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:52.07 | bogdan_ | just did an apt-get dist-upgrade... |
| 14:52.17 | genoobie | before the wpa-psk / wpa-ssid stuff? |
| 14:52.20 | xk | misch: i can only think that those two processes are logging heaps of small pieces of data somewhere. |
| 14:53.00 | abrotman | bogdan_: hopefully doing an apt-get update first |
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| 14:53.10 | abrotman | bogdan_: FWIW .. using aptitude might be very helpful here |
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| 14:53.21 | abrotman | genoobie: i don't use WPA like that .. |
| 14:53.38 | pantelis | how can i change the parametrs of a module?? |
| 14:53.40 | bogdan_ | did the update, seems to be a gpg problem |
| 14:53.52 | abrotman | ignore it |
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| 14:53.59 | genoobie | abrotman, do you use wpa? |
| 14:54.22 | abrotman | genoobie: i have, but not here |
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| 14:55.30 | genoobie | okay so was I taking the directions too literally, do the interface lines really read wireless-essid <network> wireless-key <blah> |
| 14:55.38 | genoobie | how do I specify wpa? |
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| 14:56.00 | abrotman | genoobie: you already have the first one .. the second one is the key .. you know, the key that the router makes you type in? |
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| 14:56.18 | abrotman | and you substitute <blah> or whatever with the real values |
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| 14:56.49 | genoobie | right, but do I use wpa-psk? |
| 14:56.57 | genoobie | i mean is the line wpa-psk <blah> |
| 14:56.58 | JordiGH | So what's going to happen now that I did not agree to the license of Mathematica fonts? |
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| 14:57.08 | JordiGH | Is dpkg going to uninstall the package? |
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| 14:57.29 | qwd | JordiGH: do aptitude show package and see if it's still installed? |
| 14:57.31 | Laeborg | When I try and install extra perl modules I get "Cannot unzip, no unzip program available". I have installed unzip so am not sure what is wrong. |
| 14:57.36 | JordiGH | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:57.36 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.36 | JordiGH | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:57.40 | JordiGH | Hmm.... |
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| 14:57.51 | JordiGH | So I have the files on my computer, but I can't use them? |
| 14:57.54 | JordiGH | Stupid Wolfram. |
| 14:58.01 | bogdan_ | abrotman: seems i got a more relevant clue. it refuses to write debian packages over the old ubuntu ones... |
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| 14:58.24 | JordiGH | qwd: I'll see what happened once dpkg finishes installing stuff. |
| 14:58.26 | genoobie | nah I change that line and it just repeats DHCP discover |
| 14:58.38 | abrotman | bogdan_: you can remove the ubuntu ones if that's easier ? |
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| 14:59.09 | es-web | squisher im running a debian etch on esx, and trying to upgrated to lenny, but to test it first i put the drive here root file system is on in nonepersistant mode, but /var is on a nother drive and was in persitant mode when i tryed the update. so now apt-get thinks all packede are up to date, but they are not |
| 14:59.12 | abrotman | bogdan_: or you can try to just get all CLI tools and get the debian netinst and then reinstall (which it sounds like your system is pretty messed up) |
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| 14:59.22 | bogdan_ | yeah ... |
| 14:59.45 | bogdan_ | is there any tool i can use to burn a cd ..and do you have any links perhaps to the netinst iso? as i can't get any command line browsers going |
| 14:59.57 | squisher | es-web, ouch... that's annoying. You should have mentioned that right away :) |
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| 15:00.12 | qwd | bogdan_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 15:00.14 | genoobie | yay! success! |
| 15:00.19 | genoobie | abrotman, thanks for the help |
| 15:00.20 | bogdan_ | thanks |
| 15:00.22 | qwd | bogdan_: I think wodim is what you want to use |
| 15:00.34 | abrotman | qwd: except .. he'd need a torrent client too ? |
| 15:00.39 | bogdan_ | let me see if i can get it set up on this system |
| 15:00.46 | qwd | abrotman: doh :) |
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| 15:00.51 | genoobie | the lines were wpa-ssid <network>, wireless-channel 3, wpa-psk <blah> |
| 15:00.56 | genoobie | in that order |
| 15:00.57 | qwd | bogdan_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | bogdan_: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso .. direct link to the sio |
| 15:01.24 | abrotman | genoobie: i can't imagine you need to specify the channel, but okay |
| 15:02.18 | es-web | squisher, yes i tryed to mentiond that from the start but, is not that easy to explain how and what :) |
| 15:02.27 | JordiGH | Well, this is taking a while... dpkg regenerates the fonts cache after each ttf package it's installing. |
| 15:02.32 | bogdan_ | thanks getting the ISO now |
| 15:02.49 | squisher | es-web, hmm, my guess is there is no easy way to resolve that |
| 15:03.08 | squisher | you'll probably have to write a script and do some dpkg magic |
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| 15:04.41 | es-web | squisher, can i do a dpkg --get-selections > file and then clean it out an use this as a input for apt-get and then --reinstall? |
| 15:05.18 | squisher | es-web, that sounds like a good start |
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| 15:06.36 | filePeter | How to put a crypttab device to the early stage of opening? |
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| 15:07.57 | es-web | squisher, there is not a way to force a full update? |
| 15:08.04 | bogdan_ | later people |
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| 15:12.01 | squisher | es-web, no, I doubt it. You messed it up outside of apt's power, so now you're in a pretty 'unsupported' situation |
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| 15:17.10 | criacuervo | hi |
| 15:17.46 | abrotman | did bogdan figure out how to burn it ? |
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| 15:20.36 | pflanze | I seem to be having problems with lockups of applications using ALSA on lenny. |
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| 15:21.19 | pflanze | Like, putting an app into stopped state with ctl-z for some time makes other apps using alsa lock up, even after continuing the stopped app. |
| 15:21.37 | paradoxmonkey | Does anyone have a list of scripts that need to write to /etc at startup/shutdown? |
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| 15:21.59 | pflanze | But also issues even without using that: running ekiga from sid in a chroot makes it lock up too, even if no other app on the system is using sound at all at that time. |
| 15:22.05 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, the kernel itself? |
| 15:22.32 | pflanze | And twinkle had many lockups, needing sigkill, and ultimately a machine reboot to get it back running. |
| 15:22.36 | Titan8990 | not sure what exactly writes /etc/mtab but I would assume its fairly low level |
| 15:23.09 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: for what I know /etc/mtab, /etc/resolv.conf need to be writable |
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| 15:23.43 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, resolv.conf doesn't *have* to be writable |
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| 15:24.20 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: that's if you don't use dhclient-script (dhcp) |
| 15:25.08 | thrashold | mtab can also be just a symlink to /proc/mounts |
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| 15:25.49 | oreo | hey everyone! is it possible for g++ to compile for a 64bit architecture even though the system is a x86? |
| 15:25.56 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, I believe that dhclient can be configured to not touch resolv.conf |
| 15:26.08 | thrashold | (mtab is written by mount/umount IIRC) |
| 15:26.08 | Titan8990 | oreo, yes |
| 15:26.21 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: correct, still they are other things that need to write to /etc. hwclock or whatever it's called... |
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| 15:26.39 | oreo | Titan8990: could you tell me how i can get lib64? i've been looking on google and deb repo but can't find the answer |
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| 15:27.05 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: I have Linux systems where /etc isn't touched (they are not Debian, though) |
| 15:27.40 | Titan8990 | oreo, http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers |
| 15:28.18 | oreo | thanks Titan8990 =) |
| 15:28.20 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: samba also writes to /etc. Isn't /etc to be just for configuration? |
| 15:28.37 | Laeborg | perl -MCPAN -e 'install Data::Dumper' returns "Can't locate object method "install" via package "Data::Dumper" at -e line 1." |
| 15:28.39 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: When does samba write to /etc? |
| 15:28.53 | Laeborg | whats wrong? |
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| 15:29.43 | reber | hi all. Did anyone here already installed a usblp device (usb to parallel port for parallel port printer) ? |
| 15:29.45 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: I believe the password databases and things are stored somewhere in /var (and the location can be configured in smb.conf, IIRC) |
| 15:29.57 | xk | perl -MCPAN -e shell, then "install Data::Dumper"... |
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| 15:30.07 | xk | Laeborg: I thought Data::Dumper is included with perl base. |
| 15:30.29 | thrashold | reber: USB printers also use the usblp module |
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| 15:32.34 | criacuervo | hi |
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| 15:32.48 | criacuervo | i have problem with my GNOME |
| 15:32.50 | criacuervo | USER'S $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignore. This prevents the default session and language from being saved .File should be own by user and have 644 permission. USER'S $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users |
| 15:33.02 | criacuervo | I cannot log in |
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| 15:33.37 | criacuervo | this is the complete message : THIS IS THE FIRST MESSAGE I GET WHEN I LOG IN. |
| 15:33.37 | criacuervo | USER'S $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignore. This prevents the default session and language from being saved .File should be own by user and have 644 permission. USER'S $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users. |
| 15:33.37 | criacuervo | THIS IS THE SECOND |
| 15:33.39 | criacuervo | The GNOME session manager was unable to lock the file /home/criacuervo/.ICEauthority. Please report this as a GNOME bug.Sometimes this error may occur if the file's directory is unwritable. You could try logging in via the falsesafe session and ensuring that it is. |
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| 15:33.57 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: I couldn't reproduce the error msg where samba writes to /etc. I think it only did after the initial install. |
| 15:34.30 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: It would write to /etc if you use SWAT |
| 15:34.34 | Titan8990 | criacuervo, log in as root. chown -R criacuervo:criacuervo /home/criacuervo |
| 15:34.34 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: What is /etc/adjustime used for? |
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| 15:35.26 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: I'm not using SWAT. I think it was trying to delete some file... |
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| 15:37.00 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: I have no idea, but I believe /etd/adjtime is modified by clock |
| 15:37.14 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: hwclock I mean |
| 15:37.36 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: You can also specify a different file to use |
| 15:37.57 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: maybe I just can symlink /etc/adjtime to say /tmp |
| 15:38.15 | thrashold | That would work, too. That's how router distros handle resolv.conf |
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| 15:39.56 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: Now I only need to figure out how to modify /sbin/dhclient-script to not try to do something to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:40.40 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: It would be an easy modification but it will get overwritten when you upgrade. |
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| 15:41.10 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: so is there a better way to do it? |
| 15:41.11 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: You can specify another script in the dhclient.conf IIRC |
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| 15:41.57 | abrotman | paradoxmonkey: look at the dhclient config .. you can skip the dns request |
| 15:42.21 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: if I symlink /etc/resolv.conf to /tmp/resolv.conf every change to /etc/resolv.conf will be made to /tmp right? |
| 15:43.16 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: If you look at the script itself you'd notice that this isn't the case |
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| 15:45.41 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: well first it creates a file resolv.conf.dhclient-new and then it overrides /etc/resolv.conf with that new file... |
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| 15:46.18 | thrashold | So it will write to these two files, creating the first, etc. |
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| 15:47.05 | paradoxmonkey | thrashold: right, so if I symlink resolv.conf.dhclient-new aswell to /tmp I should be fine? |
| 15:47.12 | abrotman | paradoxmonkey: look at the dhclient config .. you can skip the dns request |
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| 15:47.39 | paradoxmonkey | abrotman: but I don't want to skip the dns request... |
| 15:47.55 | paradoxmonkey | abrotman: I just want /etc as read-only |
| 15:49.00 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: Create a new script and reconfigure dhclient to use it. I'm certain that you can do that |
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| 15:49.20 | DawnLight | abrotman: ping from the past |
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| 15:49.51 | abrotman | runs away .. fast |
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| 15:51.24 | |kardinal| | ]help |
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| 15:53.07 | DawnLight | abrotman: i want to tell you something |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | i'm a mean bastard ? |
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| 15:53.37 | DawnLight | you were more than ok with me |
| 15:53.42 | abrotman | more than okay? |
| 15:54.02 | DawnLight | yeah, you helped me through my first steps with debian and linux |
| 15:55.10 | DawnLight | do you remember something about me looking into irrigation? |
| 15:55.24 | abrotman | is this a Debian question ? |
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| 15:55.42 | DawnLight | no |
| 15:55.57 | genoobie | does ircii have a gui? |
| 15:56.02 | DawnLight | it is personal |
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| 15:57.21 | ronr1 | hi, I'm considering switching my webservers (all debian stable running apache) from ipv4 to ipv6, are there any caveats I should be aware of (the centre the servers are in is fully ipv6 compatible and I run bind as a DNS server)? |
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| 15:58.26 | DawnLight | abrotman: can i message you? |
| 15:58.36 | DawnLight | or go to -offtopic |
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| 16:00.26 | Naomi_ | Does this syntax look correct? cp -R -f * /sdcard/debian/debian2 |
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| 16:00.48 | paradoxmonkey | How can I make a symlink so that if I delete the file that is symlinked the symlink will still exist? |
| 16:01.15 | stew | paradoxmonkey: that's the way symlinks always work |
| 16:01.39 | stew | paradoxmonkey: the symlink will exist and will point to a non-existant file |
| 16:01.56 | stew | paradoxmonkey: or do you mean that the symlink will still point to an existing file somehow? |
| 16:02.21 | genoobie | what's a good IRC client for debian |
| 16:02.24 | genoobie | x-chat? |
| 16:02.25 | paradoxmonkey | stew: if I symlink /etc/resolv.conf --> /tmp/resolv.conf, and then rm /etc/resolv.conf the symlink will be gone |
| 16:02.29 | stew | !best irc client |
| 16:02.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:02.48 | genoobie | stew, thank you |
| 16:02.56 | stew | paradoxmonkey: no it won't, it will still be there in /tmp/resolv.conf |
| 16:02.56 | genoobie | stew, is there a gui? |
| 16:02.59 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I want that symlink to be there even if the file is deleted |
| 16:03.02 | stew | genoobie: not anymore |
| 16:03.08 | stew | paradoxmonkey: it will be |
| 16:03.12 | genoobie | so it's text based |
| 16:03.17 | stew | yes, irc is text based |
| 16:03.22 | genoobie | thanks |
| 16:03.22 | stew | irssi is ncurses |
| 16:03.35 | genoobie | !ncurses |
| 16:03.35 | dpkg | i heard ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: aptitude install libncurses5-dev |
| 16:03.37 | sixtila | my kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64 , how do i upgrade to a new one |
| 16:03.37 | paradoxmonkey | stew: but the file /etc/resolv.conf will no longer point to /tmp/resolv.conf |
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| 16:03.47 | kryl | hi |
| 16:03.48 | kryl | please how to survey modified files in real time ? |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | kryl: something like fam perhaps |
| 16:04.14 | stew | paradoxmonkey: wait, which was originally the symlink? /etc/resolv.conf or /tmp/resolv.conf? |
| 16:04.20 | stew | paradoxmonkey: what commands are you actually issuing? |
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| 16:04.45 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I want /etc/resolv.conf to point to /tmp/resolv.conf |
| 16:04.46 | abrotman | genoobie: xchat is fine, irssi is better |
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| 16:05.05 | genoobie | abrotman, what's the basic diff... |
| 16:05.08 | genoobie | weight? |
| 16:05.18 | genoobie | I think x is gui, no? |
| 16:05.20 | Naomi_ | cp -R -f * /sdcard/debian/debian2 gives me "invalid option --" what is incorrect please? I am following this http://www.myhangoutonline.com/2009/11/25/resize-your-linux-image-from-phone-or-computer/ |
| 16:05.27 | abrotman | genoobie: good guess ... |
| 16:05.39 | genoobie | yeah I'm clever like that |
| 16:05.41 | stew | paradoxmonkey: so you are running "ln -s /tmp/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf" then "rm /etc/resolv.conf" ? |
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| 16:06.00 | paradoxmonkey | stew: if I delete /etc/resolv.conf /tmp/resolv.conf should also be deleted. If I create (touch) /etc/resolv.conf /tmp/resolv.conf should also be created |
| 16:06.01 | sixtila | abortman today found out that using the synaptik lets me install anything without hassel |
| 16:06.13 | sixtila | is this okay for updating kernel http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 16:06.20 | genoobie | sixtila, doesn't apt install do the same thing? |
| 16:06.40 | sixtila | apt install used to fail to receive the packages |
| 16:06.41 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall used to fail to receive the packages-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
| 16:06.49 | sixtila | havent tried it today |
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| 16:07.04 | genoobie | oh...okay (whoosh, right over my head) |
| 16:07.08 | stew | paradoxmonkey: the "touch" part will work, the delete part won't, it will delete the symlink itself. I don't believe there is any way to make the delete part work they way you want |
| 16:07.13 | genoobie | let me see about this x-chat install |
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| 16:07.22 | genoobie | I'm okay with GUI. |
| 16:07.30 | sixtila | my kernel is 2.6.2 - is this page ok for compiling a new kernel - http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
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| 16:09.02 | Titan8990 | sixtila, .2? what version of debian is that? woody? |
| 16:09.06 | abrotman | sixtila: why do you need a new kernel ? |
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| 16:09.13 | sixtila | it is lenny |
| 16:09.18 | genoobie | okay so now that xchat is installed |
| 16:09.26 | Titan8990 | sixtila, and your not running 2.6.26? |
| 16:09.35 | sixtila | i want to have a newer version that (last time) make my wireless work |
| 16:09.44 | sixtila | i have 2.6.26 |
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| 16:09.52 | stew | sixtila: what version do you need? |
| 16:09.56 | sixtila | .3 |
| 16:09.57 | genoobie | bbiam |
| 16:10.05 | sixtila | that supports wireless for me |
| 16:10.18 | stew | .3 is the version you need? |
| 16:10.20 | Titan8990 | sixtila, .3 is not the same as .30 |
| 16:10.48 | abrotman | sixtila: and which wireless card do you have ? |
| 16:10.52 | Titan8990 | sixtila, its a version number, not a math decimal |
| 16:10.59 | stew | dpkg: .3 - .30 |
| 16:10.59 | dpkg | stew: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:11.07 | sixtila | how do i see my wireless card? lspci... |
| 16:11.12 | paradoxmonkey | stew: could something like this "mount --bind /data /home/user/data" work on files aswell? |
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| 16:11.38 | genoobie | yes I love this |
| 16:11.42 | abrotman | sixtila: lspci -nn |
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| 16:12.03 | stew | paradoxmonkey: i don't think so |
| 16:12.07 | abrotman | sixtila: i told you yesterday about using backports.org to get a kernel to work with your device |
| 16:12.42 | sixtila | ya, but need help doing it, if there is a page somewhere that i can look up to |
| 16:12.45 | genoobie | lxde wins |
| 16:12.58 | genoobie | it beats the pants of xubuntu for performance |
| 16:13.02 | sixtila | http://pastebin.ca/1730786 |
| 16:13.06 | sixtila | lspci -nm |
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| 16:13.19 | abrotman | sixtila: lspci -nn |
| 16:13.30 | abrotman | not -nm .. that's n n .. not n m |
| 16:14.02 | sixtila | http://pastebin.ca/1730787 |
| 16:14.19 | stew | judd: pciid 168c:002a |
| 16:14.23 | sixtila | just tried doing fix broken packages - says faile to fetch from backport... |
| 16:14.28 | stew | where's judd? |
| 16:14.40 | genoobie | okay so can iceweasel handle flash? |
| 16:14.41 | Titan8990 | atheros? shouldn't that be supported by ath5k or ath9k in .26? |
| 16:14.48 | genoobie | I know that sounds like a dumb question |
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| 16:14.57 | Titan8990 | genoobie, yes, it can do everything firefox can because it is essentially is firefox |
| 16:15.08 | sixtila | genoobie yes, but the quality sux |
| 16:15.12 | abrotman | !tell genoobie about adobe flash |
| 16:15.13 | Titan8990 | stew, been gone all yesterday too |
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| 16:15.22 | stew | judd: pciid 168c:002a |
| 16:15.34 | genoobie | sixtila, is it better in something else? |
| 16:15.34 | judd | stew: [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 16:15.36 | abrotman | sixtila: now paste your sources.list |
| 16:16.12 | Titan8990 | oh, i wasn't aware ath9k wasn't in the default lenny kernel |
| 16:16.14 | sixtila | abortman http://pastebin.ca/1730788 |
| 16:16.49 | abrotman | sixtila: aptitude update && aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
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| 16:17.25 | stew | Titan8990: it could be there but not listing support for this particular deviceid |
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| 16:17.41 | sixtila | genoobie it lets upgrade though, but i can cause maybe i have 64bit |
| 16:17.59 | Titan8990 | stew, i just checked out the wiki link which instructs the user to install .30 from backports |
| 16:18.26 | sixtila | in both ubuntu and debian - it can never fetch anything with this ending - Translation-en_US |
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| 16:18.32 | abrotman | sixtila: does that kernel install ? |
| 16:18.39 | sixtila | 99% |
| 16:18.41 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 16:18.45 | abrotman | Titan8990: IIRC there's no ath9k and even the ath5k is iffy |
| 16:18.56 | sixtila | its kinda stuck right now - connection to kerne-archinve... |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | prods lennynhalf |
| 16:19.04 | abrotman | sixtila: comment those lines out |
| 16:19.07 | abrotman | both of htem ... |
| 16:19.32 | sixtila | sorry, what do u mean? which lines and whats commenting |
| 16:19.36 | genoobie | abrotman, I'm a little confused as to how to install the flashplayer |
| 16:20.01 | abrotman | sixtila: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. comment out the "buildserver" lines .. both of htem |
| 16:20.03 | Titan8990 | abrotman, I see, there is still madwifi |
| 16:20.08 | sixtila | genoobie it is in synaptik - non free flash |
| 16:20.19 | abrotman | Titan8990: well, yeah .. but i guess that was the state of ath5k at the time |
| 16:20.24 | genoobie | hmm...should be in aptitude then too |
| 16:20.34 | abrotman | genoobie: /msg dpkg backports .. add the lenny backports .. install flash |
| 16:21.22 | genoobie | abrotman, is what you type the command line? |
| 16:21.36 | abrotman | genoobie: in IRC .. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:21.44 | abrotman | genoobie: then follow the URL, and read the instructions |
| 16:22.06 | sixtila | abortman commented out |
| 16:22.29 | sixtila | this time error is public ket |
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| 16:23.35 | abrotman | sixtila: you didn't read the instructions at backports.org either |
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| 16:27.19 | genoobie | sorry |
| 16:27.21 | genoobie | what does this mean |
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| 16:27.23 | genoobie | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 16:27.23 | genoobie | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 16:28.09 | abrotman | genoobie: read the instructions at backports.org |
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| 16:29.39 | genoobie | abrotman, I'm reading and following them |
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| 16:29.54 | genoobie | it just didn't mention anything about GPG error |
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| 16:30.14 | abrotman | apparently you didn't read very far |
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| 16:30.24 | mederEsite | can anyone recommend a decent email reader thats easily customizable/configurable in regards to Exchange? Thunderbird isn't an option because it simply isn't. |
| 16:30.26 | abrotman | it's right on the Instructions page |
| 16:30.36 | abrotman | mederEsite: Evolution ? |
| 16:30.47 | abrotman | isn't sure he should be recommending Evolution |
| 16:31.01 | mederEsite | anything else? |
| 16:31.01 | mederEsite | heh |
| 16:31.07 | abrotman | mederEsite: it's at least worth looking at |
| 16:31.10 | mederEsite | I did. |
| 16:31.11 | Titan8990 | yeah, Evolution is nice... but it has its share of bugs, much more so than thunderbird/icedove |
| 16:31.25 | abrotman | they just fixed one of the long stnading bugs in Evo that I had |
| 16:31.26 | mederEsite | Tried the usual Thunderbird/Exchange |
| 16:31.34 | mederEsite | i hate both |
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| 16:31.42 | abrotman | so try Evolution |
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| 16:31.43 | mederEsite | err |
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| 16:31.43 | mederEsite | s/Exchange/Evolution |
| 16:31.59 | abrotman | mederEsite: Balsa? Kmail? Sylpheed? |
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| 16:32.14 | Titan8990 | clawmail have support for exchange? |
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| 16:32.32 | abrotman | i get the impression he's not using MAPI |
| 16:32.42 | babilen | mederEsite: KMail? Claws? Mutt? |
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| 16:33.07 | Titan8990 | doubts mutt has exchange support |
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| 16:37.00 | akio | I have lenny installed from netinst to a hdd that I use for hardware testing, every time I move the hdd to a different machine to test the interface name increments i.e. eth0 is now eth6 - anyone know why this happens? |
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| 16:37.13 | grantila | why has libdrm 2.4.16 been revoked from debian? I can see archived administrative mails about it being uploaded, but 2.4.15 is still the only version I find on the repos. |
| 16:37.15 | abrotman | !tell akio about 70 |
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| 16:38.43 | akio | abrotman, thank you |
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| 16:40.52 | sixtila | can kernel be updated from snaptik ? abortman |
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| 16:44.37 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've big problems with grub :p. It recognizes my Windows 7 partition on /dev/sda1 but cannot boot on it, it displays a long hex number which *should* correspond to my hdd I suppose (Win is on sda and debian on sdb) Any idea ? |
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| 16:48.41 | genoobie | abrotman, there was no mention of a keyring install |
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| 16:49.45 | sixtila | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.05 | sixtila | maybe the public key problem is solved |
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| 16:52.12 | paradoxmonkey | If /dev is populated with the right devices will udev take less time to populate /dev? |
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| 16:55.25 | gregglind | chops, abrotman: the multiple step upgrade to squeeze worked fine. |
| 16:56.05 | stew | paradoxmonkey: i doubt it. what makes you think that udev is taking a long time to populate /dev? |
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| 16:57.18 | paradoxmonkey | stew: cause it needs to create everything from scratch if /dev is empty... |
| 16:57.23 | linux2 | ok, I have a quick question about the fglrx proprietary module in debian testing. Has anyone else experienced a complete system failure upon installing this module? I did have it working in debian lenny, but upgraded to squeeze by doing a fresh install. I then set everything up and compiled the fglrx module using module-assistant. After this was complete the kde4 gui failed to load (kwin kept crashing). I also noticed that in |
| 16:57.23 | linux2 | a terminal my home directory had no hidden files. This was probably why kwin was failing. Upon booting back up into the installer disk I found all my hidden files to be intact. Any idea why compiling the fglrx causes this to happen (the module was not loaded)? |
| 16:57.44 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: The creation of the direcotires and device files themselves should be almost instant |
| 16:57.51 | thrashold | paradoxmonkey: Unless your filesystem sucks |
| 16:58.47 | paradoxmonkey | thx for the info |
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| 17:01.29 | JyZyXEL | how do i know if a device is SATA or PATA? |
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| 17:02.52 | inckie | is there a way of controlling disk qouta via mysql? |
| 17:03.16 | inckie | on folder level |
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| 17:03.59 | abrotman | gregglind: huh ? |
| 17:04.08 | abrotman | genoobie: did you find hte key ring instructions ? |
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| 17:04.39 | gregglind | abrotman, yesterday, you and chops helped me upgrade my system to sqeeze |
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| 17:05.20 | abrotman | gregglind: ah okay |
| 17:05.21 | gregglind | rather than reinstall the thing. It all went fine. just took a while. |
| 17:05.30 | gregglind | and I wanted to update and thank you for the help. |
| 17:05.30 | JyZyXEL | does debian give hd[a-z] for PATA and sd[a-z] for SATA? |
| 17:06.15 | newsense | JyZyXEL: yes |
| 17:06.53 | JyZyXEL | so i can safely assume that a device named /dev/sda is a SATA device? |
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| 17:07.42 | abrotman | or usb .. or firewire ... |
| 17:08.04 | JyZyXEL | but not PATA? |
| 17:08.04 | abrotman | gregglind: so you're a happy camper ? |
| 17:08.08 | abrotman | not AFAIK |
| 17:08.18 | stew | JyZyXEL: no |
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| 17:08.34 | JyZyXEL | ok then |
| 17:08.36 | gregglind | abrotman yes indeed. Is there a nice ext3 partitioning / resizing tool? that's my nextish project |
| 17:08.48 | abrotman | gparted maybe |
| 17:09.06 | SpeedyG | is ext3 resizable? o_0 |
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| 17:09.40 | abrotman | SpeedyG: yes |
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| 17:11.27 | SpeedyG | hm, I wonder on what filesystem I had resizing issues then .. |
| 17:11.36 | lord_rob | SpeedyG: In my job I use a gentoo based live CD (System Rescue CD) and old IDE disk appear as /dev/sd* however |
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| 17:12.50 | SpeedyG | oh wait, My issues were with primary / extended partitions ... |
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| 17:14.12 | PoWeRKiLL | hi |
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| 17:14.36 | PoWeRKiLL | I have a debian machine and I need to replicate it to another machine the thing is that I have to do it by network |
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| 17:16.09 | Titan8990 | PoWeRKiLL, rsync |
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| 17:19.45 | PoWeRKiLL | Titan8990 can you devellop I have a webserver with mysql and I want to make a replicate in a virtual machine |
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| 17:20.09 | PoWeRKiLL | the problem is that the source is a debian a |
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| 17:20.19 | Titan8990 | PoWeRKiLL, ok... dump the database, rsync filesystem, resotre database |
| 17:20.25 | PoWeRKiLL | debian sarge and the virtual is a debian lenny |
| 17:20.46 | Titan8990 | that doesn't sound like much of a replica.... |
| 17:20.46 | PoWeRKiLL | and for all the config file I will have to do it manually |
| 17:20.59 | Titan8990 | you shouldn't, no |
| 17:21.20 | PoWeRKiLL | so how to replicate the sarge to the virtual machine |
| 17:21.32 | PoWeRKiLL | I need to install a debian on the virtual machine no ? |
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| 17:22.58 | BlackFate_ | PoWeRKiLL, i would suggest to clone the whole debian partition with a live cd to a single .img file.. and then convert this image file to virtual machine |
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| 17:25.27 | PoWeRKiLL | BlackFate_ but I only have a network access to the machine I can't shut it down and run the live cd |
| 17:26.14 | BlackFate_ | then i guest |
| 17:26.19 | BlackFate_ | you have to install debian |
| 17:26.26 | BlackFate_ | and just overwrite the files |
| 17:26.30 | BlackFate_ | and the database |
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| 17:27.32 | PoWeRKiLL | it's not possible to dd a running filesystem |
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| 17:28.42 | pantelis | can anyone to activate wireless intell 5100 |
| 17:28.46 | pantelis | ? |
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| 17:31.03 | format_c | Why am I not in a desired group?: http://pastebin.com/m233de6e5 |
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| 17:31.15 | aleboypc^586m^ | saaalve!!! |
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| 17:32.34 | macrobat | !hai |
| 17:32.34 | dpkg | Helicopter Association International. The Human Awareness Institute |
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| 17:33.37 | pantelis | can anyone to explain me how can i manage module parameretes |
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| 17:35.59 | krzd | hi, i cant install debian, because my hdd is not recognized. i have to select a driver, but i don't know which one. it's a sata hdd in ahci mode. installing ubuntu works. so how do i get debian to recognize my hdd? |
| 17:36.41 | newsense | krzd: yeah i had the same problem with my new sata hdd |
| 17:36.48 | macrobat | format_c: you have to log out and log back in for group changes to take place |
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| 17:37.08 | krzd | newsense: did you solve it? |
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| 17:37.17 | smith | hi |
| 17:37.47 | newsense | krzd: after about 2 weeks i finally found a bios update which claimed to only add am3+ support but it did fix it |
| 17:38.21 | newsense | nforce chipset |
| 17:38.26 | smith | I know this is not completely about debian although i have a doubt about pidgin : | |
| 17:38.32 | krzd | newsense: hmm i got already the latest version, asus maximus iii formula ... |
| 17:38.44 | macrobat | krzd: maybe some kernel module is needed |
| 17:38.59 | newsense | ahci module |
| 17:39.06 | newsense | and libata |
| 17:39.17 | newsense | err not libata |
| 17:39.23 | format_c | macrobat, thanks that was the problem. su - $USER was also ok |
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| 17:39.41 | newsense | wait yeah libata |
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| 17:40.03 | macrobat | maybe the default lenny kernel is too old to have ahci |
| 17:40.20 | newsense | macrobat: no |
| 17:40.21 | krzd | macrobat: i also tried unstable ... |
| 17:40.22 | Paul_E | Hi all--when I reboot a remote server running etch, the machine locks up because one of the drives is bad. Is there a way to disable that drive in debian so that it doesn't require console interaction until the drive can be removed? |
| 17:40.24 | macrobat | ok |
| 17:40.30 | newsense | it's supported |
| 17:40.40 | newsense | i'm using ahci now |
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| 17:41.27 | krzd | btw: its an intel p55 chipset |
| 17:41.46 | abrotman | !tell krzd about kmuto |
| 17:41.47 | macrobat | Paul_E: partitions on that drive may be listed in /etc/fstab |
| 17:42.13 | Paul_E | macrobat: the only one is commented out. |
| 17:43.13 | macrobat | ok, then it's beyond my knowledge |
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| 17:43.30 | Paul_E | macrobat: mine too :( |
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| 17:46.23 | qwd | Anyone here use Iceweasel on Lenny? Does the comment title here http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1492464&cid=30583660 look really bad? All jagged and weird? It doesn't look like that until I click a comment. |
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| 17:47.20 | pozic | Are there Netviewer compatible tools for Debian? |
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| 17:47.53 | Titan8990 | qwd, all looks good on my end |
| 17:48.12 | format_c | qwd, on my site as well |
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| 17:48.29 | krzd | abrotman: it's a bit strange with ext4 at kmuto?? |
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| 17:49.14 | abrotman | krzd: is that a question ? |
| 17:49.41 | jelly | it's a bit strange question? |
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| 17:50.25 | Ricoshady | how long are major releases supported? |
| 17:50.27 | qwd | Titan8990: format_c: Thanks, guess it's a problem here then. Changing fonts didn't solve it but at least I don't need to report a bug for Iceweasel. |
| 17:50.29 | krzd | it's a strange procedure, which i never had to do to get ext4: 1. Use the expert mode. 2. Choose grub-pc instead of legacy grub (you'll be asked in expert mode). 3. Append boot parameter "rootfstype=ext4" at Grub screen. |
| 17:50.49 | pipeline | that's not a strange procedure |
| 17:50.53 | pipeline | that's the procedure to use a different bootloader |
| 17:50.58 | pipeline | the old version of grub doesn't support ext4 |
| 17:51.02 | pipeline | so you need a new bootloader |
| 17:51.12 | jelly | (ie backported grub-pc) |
| 17:51.20 | krzd | yeah this has got sense, but the third step? |
| 17:51.35 | qwd | There's a freeze every 2 years, and oldstable is supported until next oldstable so I'm guessing ~4 years? |
| 17:51.41 | abrotman | in the next stable installer, it should use grub2 by default |
| 17:51.51 | jelly | krzd: was needed with earlier backported kernels. |
| 17:51.55 | krzd | where exactly to do this? |
| 17:51.57 | abrotman | qwd: uhm .. the current estimate is that etch will have support until February |
| 17:52.02 | krzd | the third step |
| 17:52.21 | qwd | abrotman: oh, well like I said, I'm guessing :) |
| 17:52.37 | jelly | krzd: when using grub-pc, /etc/default/grub, and run update-grub afterwards |
| 17:53.25 | jelly | krzd: or, as it says, at grub's boot menu, use its command line editing options to add that parameter to the kernel line |
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| 17:54.59 | krzd | ok, thanks |
| 17:55.19 | krzd | i will try |
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| 17:59.03 | runa_ | hi i want to buy an usb audio card. should i expect any problem in the drivers? what is the difference between usb 2.0 and high-speed usb? |
| 18:01.04 | qwd | runa_: it depends on what card you buy. find a card and see if it has drivers for linux |
| 18:01.29 | Titan8990 | runa_, high-speed usb == usb 2.0 |
| 18:01.37 | stew | runa_: there isn't a difference between usb 2.0 and hi-speed usb |
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| 18:03.26 | runa_ | thanks, thats what i thought about the usb but some vendors specified high-speed, and that made me doubt... where can i check if the drivers are available? google? |
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| 18:04.02 | cahoot | runa_: snd-usb-audio is the needed driver, provided by kernel already |
| 18:04.55 | qwd | runa_: yep google it, you should see if people are having problems with it. |
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| 18:07.38 | krzd | after writing the hd-image (boot.img.gz) to my stick, i can't mount it |
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| 18:08.14 | krzd | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 32: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1, |
| 18:08.16 | krzd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:08.54 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I recall seeing a plot of package portability statistics on debian.org/<somewhere>. Does anybody know where that is? My google-fu is teh fail atm :( |
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| 18:09.12 | abrotman | possibly the buildd site ? |
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| 18:10.13 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: exactly. Thanks :) |
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| 18:11.59 | asdasdasdsa | how can i make a speed limit so that every computer can use max 150 kbps down speed? |
| 18:12.30 | jonaskoelker | asdasdasdsa: I wouldn't know, but I'd start looking in the iptables manual |
| 18:13.08 | asdasdasdsa | i cant use iptables for that i need tc from lartc to do it |
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| 18:13.35 | asdasdasdsa | but i dont know where to start and i can find anything in the manual about it i can only find info aboutlimit traffic for a eth |
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| 18:14.47 | jonaskoelker | Oh. Then I don't know. If no one else here knows, maybe the router distro channels (#dd-wrt, etc.) would be the place to go next... |
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| 18:14.52 | lord_rob | In my Windows 7 disk I've found a backup of the boot sector. How do I restore it ? dd if=bootsect.bak of=/dev/sda ? |
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| 18:15.15 | jonaskoelker | lord_rob: you want to add bs and count arguments to that |
| 18:15.23 | jonaskoelker | bs=(the size of bootsect.bak in bytes) count=1 |
| 18:15.38 | jonaskoelker | lord_rob: and of course take a backup :) |
| 18:15.39 | lord_rob | lol |
| 18:15.46 | jonaskoelker | lord_rob: but I think you're right |
| 18:15.50 | cahoot | does dd even take a filename? |
| 18:15.50 | lord_rob | thought you meant bullshit |
| 18:16.06 | jonaskoelker | :D |
| 18:16.13 | jonaskoelker | _b_lock _s_ize |
| 18:16.20 | lord_rob | :-) |
| 18:16.27 | jonaskoelker | but dd can take a lot of (hee hee) bs ;) |
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| 18:16.54 | stew | if you are copying the entire file, then there is no need to specify bs and cont |
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| 18:17.09 | stew | if its just the boot sector it should be 512 bytes |
| 18:17.28 | lord_rob | well actually it's 8192 |
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| 18:18.38 | lord_rob | I don't like that, I'd like to dual boot Debian/Win7 but Grub doesn't work :/ |
| 18:19.00 | lord_rob | so if I find a way to restore windows |
| 18:20.33 | stew | lord_rob: well the boot sector is only 512 bytes (which is the mbr and the primary partition table). so if you just want to restore that you'd use 'dd if=bootsect.bak of=/dev/sda count=1' |
| 18:20.49 | stew | lord_rob: but can't you just run "fdisk /mbr" from windows to restore the default mbr? |
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| 18:24.41 | lord_rob | yes good idea, I had forgotten the command thanks stew |
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| 18:25.57 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guys |
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| 18:26.12 | deco | hi WhiteCrow1 |
| 18:26.15 | WhiteCrow1 | i want to see flv in vlc but i cant how can i do |
| 18:26.35 | WhiteCrow1 | deco: hi dude |
| 18:27.16 | WhiteCrow1 | deco : can u help me ? |
| 18:27.53 | qwd | WhiteCrow1: just open the flv file with vlc? |
| 18:27.54 | deco | WhiteCrow1: hmmm i don't really use vlc , i use mplayer :/ |
| 18:28.00 | deco | WhiteCrow1: try it |
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| 18:28.16 | qwd | vlc plays flv files just fine |
| 18:28.35 | WhiteCrow1 | qwd: i try to open wit vlc but vlc cant , |
| 18:28.49 | WhiteCrow1 | qwd: nrecognized format for '/home/arash/Desktop/ashora.flv' Unrecognized format for '/home/arash/Desktop/ashora.flv' |
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| 18:29.48 | qwd | I'm using VLC 1.0.3 but I believe I could open flv files with VLC on Lenny as well. Try Totem? |
| 18:31.12 | Titan8990 | qwd, you probably have the version from dmm |
| 18:31.14 | Titan8990 | !dmm |
| 18:31.14 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 18:32.38 | WhiteCrow1 | Titan8990: tnx |
| 18:32.39 | qwd | Titan8990: no I have Squeeze, but like I said, I seem to remember opening .flv files with VLC when I used Lenny as well. I definitely could open them with either VLC or Totem. |
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| 18:32.56 | WhiteCrow1 | qwd: and deco tnx |
| 18:34.00 | qwd | I did try dmm once though and it messed vlc up real bad. Don't remember the problem or how I solved it but good luck WhiteCrow1 :) (I'm sure it'll work fine for you though) |
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| 18:37.07 | nsadmin | qwd: typically messups like that happen because people mix versions, like stable with testing |
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| 18:37.39 | qwd | nsadmin: I didn't though. Only had stable and Debian Multimedia back then. |
| 18:37.51 | nsadmin | dmm for stable? |
| 18:38.13 | nsadmin | if that's the case then the maint dropped the ball |
| 18:38.14 | xxtjaxx | Hi folks I just want to add an IPrange to my eth0:0 so that I can connect to the second IP range in my network which line has to be added there in the interfaces file in /etc/network/ |
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| 18:38.38 | colton_ | What's the easiest and best way to install debian? |
| 18:38.53 | iceroot | colton_: insert a cd |
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| 18:39.00 | xxtjaxx | Colton graphical install |
| 18:39.06 | colton_ | Where can I get the cd? |
| 18:39.11 | cahoot | colton_: got a wired connection? |
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| 18:39.16 | iceroot | debian.org/download |
| 18:39.16 | colton_ | Yes. |
| 18:39.20 | nsadmin | colton_: without providing detail, no idea. read the install guide |
| 18:39.24 | cahoot | colton_: get the netinstall |
| 18:39.39 | nsadmin | there's no idea what you have and what your hardware is. |
| 18:39.40 | colton_ | I looked into that but it looks like there are actually 6 dvds that have to be downloaded. Is that right? |
| 18:40.01 | nsadmin | what's needed is which disk controller you have and which net card. |
| 18:40.04 | qwd | nsadmin: Almost 100% sure, I wouldn't have mixed them unless I made a mistake and I was careful. Think the problem was that the video in VLC was blocky and had weird colors and even after removing that repository and reinstalling the problem persisted. In the end I had to remove ~/.vlc and use aptitude reinstall or dpkg reconfigure or something like that, and it was back to normal. |
| 18:40.19 | xxtjaxx | no you can download one thats all the others are complemebtary |
| 18:40.34 | xxtjaxx | colton_: ^ |
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| 18:40.40 | nsadmin | qwd: hmm, so maybe it was a preference upgrade issue? |
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| 18:41.03 | qwd | colton_: netinstall is best imo, but your needs might be different. |
| 18:41.20 | nsadmin | colton_: are you running linux now? |
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| 18:41.44 | colton_ | I have a 64-bit processor, but do you suggest that I get the 32-bit version? |
| 18:42.07 | nsadmin | depends on if you have closed-source software that only runs in 32 bit |
| 18:42.09 | qwd | nsadmin: not sure what it was, and no one else knew either when I asked about it. But by trying everything I could think of and people suggested I finally solved it and haven't dared using that repo again :) |
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| 18:42.26 | colton_ | Yes. I'm running Ubuntu. I tried the netinstall and it failed. I've forgotten the technical term for what exactly it said went wrong. |
| 18:42.52 | WhiteCrow1 | deco: ping |
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| 18:42.56 | nsadmin | ok, take a look at the output of lspci -nn |
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| 18:43.09 | nsadmin | you're looking for your disk controller(s) |
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| 18:43.52 | colton_ | I don't believe I have any closed source software that only runs in 32-bit, but I think I'll stick with 32 anyways. Do you suggest the one which offers KDE? |
| 18:44.14 | nsadmin | doesn't matter, you can install kde over the net |
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| 18:44.20 | km | what is sit where i can post a long message? |
| 18:44.37 | nsadmin | your own web site? a pastebin? |
| 18:44.45 | km | right, thanks |
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| 18:45.25 | colton_ | Of the downloads listed on this page if all I want is a basic install should I go with ". . . DVD-1"?: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 18:45.27 | nsadmin | colton_: ok, take a look at the output of lspci -nn; you're looking for your disk controller(s) |
| 18:46.12 | nsadmin | did you find them in that listing yet? |
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| 18:46.55 | genoobie | okay |
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| 18:47.17 | genoobie | I have iceweasel as a browser and I can't get rid of a flash player version "9" plug in |
| 18:47.32 | genoobie | I uninstalled (purge) deleted the .mozilla directory |
| 18:47.39 | colton_ | Umm, it does mention a number of controllers but done labeled explicity "disc". |
| 18:47.40 | genoobie | and the stupid thing is still there |
| 18:47.56 | Titan8990 | genoobie, how did you install it? |
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| 18:48.08 | genoobie | aptitude install iceweasel |
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| 18:48.14 | stew | genoobie: how did you install the version 9 plugin? by copying it to some plugin directory? |
| 18:48.19 | Titan8990 | genoobie, that is not how oyu installed flash |
| 18:48.20 | colton_ | SATA controlller |
| 18:48.36 | Titan8990 | colton_, pastebinning the entire output won't hurt |
| 18:48.40 | genoobie | no, I used the instructions at debian.org |
| 18:48.52 | newsense | from dmm |
| 18:48.57 | nsadmin | colton_: ok, SATA controler, do you use SATA disks? |
| 18:49.06 | genoobie | newsense, no 1st it was what abrotman said |
| 18:49.09 | nsadmin | more to the point: |
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| 18:49.11 | genoobie | the backpoints |
| 18:49.15 | genoobie | I mean backports |
| 18:49.21 | nsadmin | do you want to put debian on the sata disk(s)? |
| 18:49.24 | stew | genoobie: when you go to "about:plugins" in the browser, you see both version 9 and version 10? |
| 18:49.27 | Titan8990 | genoobie, then: `aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree` |
| 18:49.36 | genoobie | stew just 9 |
| 18:49.48 | stew | genoobie: and what does it say for "File name" ? |
| 18:50.03 | colton_ | Yes, I use sata discs. |
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| 18:50.11 | nsadmin | ok |
| 18:50.20 | nsadmin | want to put debian on them? |
| 18:50.25 | genoobie | shockwave flash 9.0 r100 |
| 18:50.40 | genoobie | Titan8990, should I do that 1st? |
| 18:50.43 | stew | genoobie: right above that should be "File name" |
| 18:50.59 | genoobie | Shockwave Flash |
| 18:51.01 | abrotman | genoobie: huh ? |
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| 18:51.38 | stew | hmm |
| 18:51.43 | colton_ | http://pastebin.com/m4a029e62 |
| 18:52.01 | genoobie | at this point I have flash player 10 installed from debian multimedia |
| 18:52.05 | abrotman | genoobie: find /usr/ -name *flash* |
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| 18:52.48 | stew | was file name not listed in about:plugins in 3.0 but is in 3.5 perhaps? |
| 18:52.49 | stew | i dunno |
| 18:52.50 | nsadmin | ok, cool. now we know on what kind of disks you want to install debian to... right? you want to put debian on the sata storage? |
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| 18:53.08 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:3a26 |
| 18:53.08 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:3a26] is '82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3a26 |
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| 18:53.28 | genoobie | abrotman, /usr/share/doc/flashplayer-mozilla |
| 18:53.48 | genoobie | /usr/share/mime/application/x-shockwave-flash.xml |
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| 18:54.13 | genoobie | the four entries /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla and three .so files |
| 18:54.41 | genoobie | oh wait |
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| 18:54.57 | colton_ | I want to put debian on sata storage. Only one disc though. |
| 18:55.09 | genoobie | I mean /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla |
| 18:55.21 | genoobie | I mean /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:55.39 | genoobie | I mean /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libflash680li.so |
| 18:55.45 | colton_ | nsadmin: what do you suggest next? |
| 18:55.56 | genoobie | I mean /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so |
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| 18:56.18 | Titan8990 | intel ICH shouldn't have any issues |
| 18:56.22 | stew | oh, this is dmm, not backports.org |
| 18:56.25 | nsadmin | colton_: one sec, looking up your net card |
| 18:56.28 | genoobie | stew right |
| 18:56.40 | stew | genoobie: what version of flashplayer-mozilla is installed? |
| 18:56.58 | nsadmin | judd pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 18:57.00 | judd | nsadmin: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 18:57.00 | genoobie | 10.0.42.34-.0. |
| 18:57.18 | genoobie | stupid iceweasel doesn't want to see it |
| 18:57.24 | stew | genoobie: do you see it? |
| 18:57.25 | nsadmin | colton_: latest lenny netinstall cd |
| 18:57.28 | stew | oh |
| 18:57.28 | genoobie | :) |
| 18:57.39 | stew | genoobie: what does "file /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so" say it is? |
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| 18:58.04 | stew | genoobie: what does "readlink -f /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flash-mozilla.so" return? |
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| 18:58.27 | nsadmin | it's only about 150mb, write it to a cd, boot it, go from there. do you have another machine you can come here while you're installing on that one? |
| 18:58.29 | oreo | i'm trying to find a way to force g++ to link against a certain version of a library (i have two versions installed) |
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| 18:59.11 | genoobie | usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so |
| 18:59.34 | genoobie | stew btw thanks for all the help |
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| 19:00.06 | stew | genoobie: try "update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so" as root |
| 19:00.14 | genoobie | stew you mean sudo? |
| 19:00.16 | genoobie | or root |
| 19:00.24 | stew | sudo is fine |
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| 19:00.41 | stew | it needs to run as root, you can perhaps do that with sudo, or su |
| 19:00.56 | asdasdasdsa | can somebody help me installing ipp2p on my debian machine? |
| 19:01.05 | colton_ | Yeah I have another machine. |
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| 19:01.14 | genoobie | stew it gives me two alternative |
| 19:01.23 | colton_ | What applications can I use to write to a cd on ubuntu? |
| 19:01.32 | Titan8990 | colton_, wodim |
| 19:01.37 | stew | genoobie: what is the alternative that isn't swfdec? |
| 19:01.46 | Titan8990 | colton_, wodim foobar.iso |
| 19:01.49 | stew | colton_: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:01.50 | genoobie | 1 /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so |
| 19:02.05 | genoobie | 2 /usr/lib/flashplayer-mozilla/libflashplayer.so |
| 19:02.11 | newsense | genoobie: you installed swfdec ? |
| 19:02.12 | stew | genoobie: you want 2 |
| 19:02.21 | nsadmin | colton_: come here from that machine |
| 19:02.25 | genoobie | newsense, not as far as I know.. |
| 19:02.27 | stew | genoobie: then recheck about:plugins |
| 19:02.34 | Titan8990 | stew, he is trying to burn a debian install disc, I personally think its an appropriate question |
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| 19:02.37 | stew | genoobie: you probably got it by asking for a "gnome desktop" |
| 19:02.44 | genoobie | lxde |
| 19:02.46 | colton_ | I'm downloading one of these guys?: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:02.51 | genoobie | it was a netinst |
| 19:03.02 | genoobie | but there are a bunch of .gnome files in my home dir |
| 19:03.11 | Titan8990 | colton_, why testing? |
| 19:03.17 | nsadmin | colton_: no, you don't want daily build, you probably want stable |
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| 19:03.32 | genoobie | woot! |
| 19:03.43 | genoobie | libflashplayer.so |
| 19:03.51 | genoobie | ver 10.0. r42 |
| 19:04.02 | Charlie_Nelson | Does anyone know of a version of Basic that is object orientated, dynamic memory allocation (no need to define variables and arrays before use), and runs on freeBSD |
| 19:04.03 | nsadmin | and one mroe thing, you should decide now if you want your user programs to be 64b or 32b |
| 19:04.03 | newsense | i thought it was an alternative issue but he said he had no other flash installed and i am not that good with alternatives and couldnt remember the alternative name to use for mozilla |
| 19:04.10 | newsense | s/mozilla/flash |
| 19:04.22 | genoobie | holy crap that is *so* beyond what I could have done by reading man pages |
| 19:04.29 | genoobie | let me try a flash video |
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| 19:04.40 | newsense | genoobie: sorry i couldn't get it working for ya |
| 19:04.51 | stew | Charlie_Nelson: you mean the freebsd kernel in debian or are you askinga bout the freebsd operating system? |
| 19:04.58 | newsense | hey is there anyway to show all alternatives ? |
| 19:05.08 | Charlie_Nelson | op sys |
| 19:05.11 | Titan8990 | Charlie_Nelson, sounds like its... very off-topic question |
| 19:05.13 | nsadmin | stew: he wants an oop BASIC language |
| 19:05.24 | nsadmin | interpreter |
| 19:05.38 | Charlie_Nelson | yep interpreter |
| 19:05.41 | stew | Charlie_Nelson: then you are in the wrong channel, try ##freebsd |
| 19:05.48 | nsadmin | Charlie_Nelson: perhaps google.com could find one for you? |
| 19:05.48 | genoobie | newsense, no problem |
| 19:06.00 | genoobie | I'll have to be sure and document this for future installs |
| 19:06.07 | genoobie | stew, thanks a million |
| 19:06.24 | genoobie | you too newsense you were both a lot of help |
| 19:06.28 | colton_ | On this page it has a section called "Small CDs" Under that I'll choose "up to 180mb" i386. Does that seem good?: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 19:06.31 | genoobie | only problem is I have no sound |
| 19:06.33 | genoobie | :) |
| 19:06.36 | genoobie | driver issue |
| 19:06.39 | genoobie | I suppose |
| 19:06.43 | newsense | stew: any way to list all alternatives on a machine ? |
| 19:06.54 | colton_ | Exact url: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 19:07.36 | stew | newsense: "ls -l /etc/alteratives"? |
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| 19:07.54 | Titan8990 | newsense, I have a version that i modified that can do it |
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| 19:07.59 | newsense | stew: cool, thanks |
| 19:08.27 | Tj13820 | When installing Debian 5.0.3 on a VMWare ESXi host, the install fails after installing the base system when trying to install the kernel. No error is given (That I can see). How can i resolve this? |
| 19:09.00 | genoobie | stew I'll never remember what you just told me |
| 19:09.01 | colton_ | I want to develop with qt creator on debian. Anyone have experience with this particular application on this particular platform? |
| 19:09.24 | newsense | i'll remember |
| 19:09.37 | newsense | i should have figured there was an alternatives file in /etc |
| 19:10.10 | genoobie | newsense, if you have a second more I'd like to troubleshoot the sound |
| 19:10.18 | stew | newsense: there is also /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives which is the possible alternatives |
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| 19:10.44 | asdasdasdsa | hello i have bind9 running i wanne fix that if i ping server1.digibieb.eu that it forward me to a ip adres how can i do that |
| 19:10.45 | Titan8990 | crap, my dyndns isn't working so I won't be able to get that modified update-alternatives |
| 19:10.50 | newsense | genoobie: |
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| 19:11.03 | newsense | genoobie:you using alsa oss or pulseaudio ? |
| 19:11.14 | genoobie | newsense, I'm not sure :/ |
| 19:11.26 | genoobie | neither afaik |
| 19:11.34 | genoobie | I never setup either one of them |
| 19:11.44 | newsense | genoobie: install alsa |
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| 19:11.51 | Titan8990 | asdasdasdsa, what else would your DNS server do other than translate FQDNs into ips? |
| 19:11.58 | genoobie | let me check dkpg -l | grep also |
| 19:12.01 | genoobie | alsa* |
| 19:12.18 | asdasdasdsa | nothihng i know |
| 19:12.19 | genoobie | alsa base & utils |
| 19:12.29 | asdasdasdsa | but my question is how can u add one manauly |
| 19:12.43 | genoobie | should I upgrade them? |
| 19:13.06 | newsense | run alsamixer |
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| 19:13.37 | genoobie | function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 19:13.48 | PyroPhelia | what would cause my nics to not come up after a restart? both of them have static configs. both were previously slaves in a ether bond, however I have commented that information out of the /etc/network/interfaces. I still have to type ifup eth0 up ifup eth1 up after each restart or they don't get the IP from interfaces. all they say is broadcasting |
| 19:13.50 | Tj13820 | does anyone know why the debian installer won't install a kernel on my system? or where i could look for clues? |
| 19:14.00 | asdasdasdsa | titan8990? |
| 19:14.11 | newsense | genoobie: run lsmod and see if you got any sound related modules loaded |
| 19:14.16 | Titan8990 | asdasdasdsa, you said you wanted to fix it... what is it doing now? |
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| 19:14.41 | asdasdasdsa | now just redirecting me to the internet |
| 19:14.50 | yip | hi |
| 19:14.53 | yip | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.54 | PyroPhelia | Tj13820, most likely because you're installing the wrong arch type |
| 19:14.56 | asdasdasdsa | if i enter google.nl then it transelates it into a ip adres |
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| 19:15.03 | asdasdasdsa | but i wanne one manauly |
| 19:15.05 | Tj13820 | i386 on a 32bit system |
| 19:15.22 | Tj13820 | I'm using the i386 Netinst image on a 32 bit system |
| 19:15.25 | PyroPhelia | can it install anything? what is the error you are getting? |
| 19:15.35 | asdasdasdsa | i wanne add a name like test1.test.com is going to 192.168.1.1 for example |
| 19:15.41 | Tj13820 | it completely installs the base system, then fails at the kernel |
| 19:15.52 | Tj13820 | no error that i can see, let me check /var/log/syslog |
| 19:16.49 | genoobie | newsense, you still here, here's my lsmod |
| 19:16.51 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/m4e5a453d |
| 19:16.52 | Titan8990 | asdasdasdsa, but that entry for test1.test.com. in the zone file for test.com. |
| 19:17.01 | genoobie | it doesn't look like any sound is there. |
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| 19:17.21 | genoobie | savage maybe? |
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| 19:17.28 | asdasdasdsa | i dont have any zone file now |
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| 19:17.47 | Titan8990 | asdasdasdsa, create one |
| 19:17.54 | newsense | genoobie: does /dev/dsp and/or dev/mixer exist ? |
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| 19:18.45 | asdasdasdsa | how i know what i should enter in it |
| 19:18.52 | genoobie | newsense, no |
| 19:19.10 | asdasdasdsa | i have a file at /etc/bind/master/zones/test.com.db |
| 19:19.12 | Titan8990 | asdasdasdsa, read some documentation |
| 19:19.19 | newsense | genoobie: lspci -nn find your audio device and give me whats in the [] |
| 19:19.52 | newsense | genoobie: should look similar to [a4e5:34fa] |
| 19:19.58 | genoobie | okay |
| 19:20.14 | newsense | that's the pciid |
| 19:20.17 | w00mpa | does debian has a specific server edition? or debian itself is for servers? |
| 19:20.17 | genoobie | newsense [1013:6003] |
| 19:20.22 | genoobie | rev 01 |
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| 19:20.50 | genoobie | newsense, what are you going to do with the pciid |
| 19:21.08 | cahoot | genoobie: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:21.13 | newsense | genoobie: find a working driver |
| 19:21.17 | Titan8990 | w00mpa, you will find that ubuntu and suse are the really the only distros that make a seperate edition for servers |
| 19:21.32 | Titan8990 | w00mpa, and in the case of ubuntu, its exactly the same aside from adding bigmem support to the kernel |
| 19:22.03 | newsense | genoobie: what kernel are you using ? uname -r |
| 19:22.17 | genoobie | 2.6.26-2.686 |
| 19:22.30 | newsense | genoobie: driver snd-cs46xx is reported to work with 2.6.31 kernels |
| 19:23.01 | newsense | genoobie: you can try modprobe snd-cs46xx as root or via sudo |
| 19:23.15 | newsense | genoobie: not sure if that driver is in that kernel version for sure though |
| 19:23.28 | genoobie | nope |
| 19:23.32 | newsense | genoobie: might have to get a 2.6.31 or up kernel |
| 19:23.43 | newsense | genoobie: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx |
| 19:23.46 | genoobie | newsense, what do you suggest |
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| 19:24.14 | cahoot | genoobie: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 19:24.23 | newsense | genoobie: listen to cahoot |
| 19:24.45 | genoobie | no such file or directory |
| 19:24.45 | newsense | genoobie: he's a knowledgeable guy, not saying i'm not but he's helped me many times |
| 19:24.58 | w00mpa | what would you recommend best for a server optimized for webservers? |
| 19:25.25 | genoobie | newsense, it's coming up with no such file or directory |
| 19:25.31 | w00mpa | i was thinking of opensolaris, is it good? |
| 19:25.33 | genoobie | ^^ cahoot |
| 19:25.34 | colton_ | This will appropriately write the disc right?: wodim debian-503-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 19:25.42 | cahoot | genoobie: modprobe snd-cs46xx returns an error? |
| 19:26.05 | Titan8990 | w00mpa, isn't it obvious what we will recommend in #debian? |
| 19:26.23 | w00mpa | silly i am. hehehe..! |
| 19:26.24 | genoobie | FATAL: Module snd_cd46xx not found. |
| 19:26.34 | cahoot | cs |
| 19:26.37 | genoobie | mean cd |
| 19:26.39 | genoobie | erf cs |
| 19:26.51 | w00mpa | Titan8990: comparatively, i believe you mean to say debian is a good choice for a webserver then..? |
| 19:26.58 | genoobie | using the xx correct, not numbers there |
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| 19:27.28 | genoobie | I type sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx and it returns FATAL: Module snd_cs46xx not found. |
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| 19:27.53 | cahoot | genoobie: grep -i cs46 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:28.34 | Titan8990 | w00mpa, any stability oriented unix that you are familar with... debian, centos, and freebsd are some examples of stability oriented distros |
| 19:28.36 | genoobie | cahoot, just like that |
| 19:28.43 | genoobie | including parens and all? |
| 19:28.48 | cahoot | yes |
| 19:28.55 | genoobie | returns null |
| 19:29.15 | newsense | im like a level 1 tech, get the basic problem and inportant information and troubleshoot it for a short while before escalating the ticket, haha :) |
| 19:29.55 | stew | newsense: you don't tell people to reboot often enough to be a level 1 tech |
| 19:30.04 | asdasdasdsa | tita8990 i have added some zones now |
| 19:30.09 | genoobie | newsense, yeah, and I'm like the 87 y.o. gramma who doesn't understand why the piece of bologna doesn't work in the CD-ROM |
| 19:30.21 | newsense | stew: haha, i was a level 2 tech at one point and i hear ya there |
| 19:30.30 | genoobie | what is grep supposed to do? |
| 19:30.36 | cahoot | genoobie: if that's true your kernelversion doesn't include support for that device |
| 19:30.42 | w00mpa | i see! |
| 19:30.47 | genoobie | okay |
| 19:30.55 | genoobie | so I would have to up the kernel |
| 19:31.11 | newsense | genoobie: 2.6.31+ is reported to work |
| 19:31.20 | asdasdasdsa | if i hit named-checkzone digibieb.lan digibieb.lan.db i get this http://www.nopaste.nl/?paste=1606 |
| 19:31.27 | genoobie | okay newsense what's the newest version that's stable? |
| 19:31.29 | newsense | im on .32 and have that module |
| 19:31.32 | asdasdasdsa | the tutorial say that its good but it still dont work |
| 19:31.40 | genoobie | okay I'll go with .32 |
| 19:31.54 | genoobie | how can I get the new kernel |
| 19:31.57 | Tj13820 | PyroPhelia, "failed to fetch cdrom:[Deban GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:06]/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch" |
| 19:32.13 | genoobie | will I have to go about installing all the wpa / firmware again? |
| 19:32.14 | newsense | genoobie: not sure stable unstable mix is suggested |
| 19:32.15 | cahoot | genoobie: http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx |
| 19:32.20 | newsense | ask stew or cahoot |
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| 19:33.03 | newsense | ahh always overlook backports |
| 19:33.21 | genoobie | newsense, what are you suggesting? |
| 19:33.53 | newsense | do what cahoot suggested |
| 19:33.56 | genoobie | cahoot just follow those instructions? |
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| 19:34.30 | Tj13820 | why am i getting this error? "failed to fetch cdrom:[Deban GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:06]/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch" |
| 19:34.39 | genoobie | okay, getting the bologna ready for the CD-ROM |
| 19:34.53 | newsense | haha |
| 19:35.01 | l3x | im running debian and have a toshiba laptop that will not switch input to vga, trying to play ddr |
| 19:35.02 | newsense | it's a coffee cup holder |
| 19:35.11 | genoobie | newsense, but the instructions are for 2.6.24 |
| 19:35.16 | newsense | you put your coffee on it not your bologna |
| 19:35.17 | genoobie | would those apply to .26 as well? |
| 19:35.25 | genoobie | :) |
| 19:35.52 | newsense | genoobie: i'd assume yes since your building the module for the kernel |
| 19:36.28 | newsense | it's not a precompiled module |
| 19:36.38 | genoobie | okay, so I follow the instructions for .24 "etch" |
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| 19:36.43 | newsense | lenny |
| 19:36.59 | genoobie | there are no instructions for lenny |
| 19:37.02 | newsense | gen |
| 19:37.08 | newsense | genoobie: yes there are |
| 19:37.09 | asdasdasdsa | titan8990 its works how i can ping digibieb.lan how can i make a subdomein now so server1.digibieb.lan or something like that |
| 19:37.16 | genoobie | The snd-cs46xx module is not present within 2.6.26 Debian kernel images. |
| 19:37.22 | newsense | genoobie: look at the top of the page under contents |
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| 19:37.37 | newsense | genoobie: you are building it from source |
| 19:37.43 | genoobie | oh |
| 19:37.48 | newsense | genoobie:just follow the instructions for lenny |
| 19:38.10 | newsense | genoobie: i have looked at them, cahoot's link will work |
| 19:38.11 | oreo | how can i tell g++ to use a certain version of a library when i have multiple versions installed? |
| 19:38.58 | genoobie | okay I'll follow those instructions |
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| 19:39.54 | l3x | i have a satellite p15-S409 |
| 19:39.56 | Tj13820 | can someone explain why there is a "Hash sum mismatch" when debian tries to install a kernel on my system? |
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| 19:40.41 | genoobie | this looks like fun :) |
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| 19:41.04 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, that can indicate a problem with the media (CD). are you using netinst? |
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| 19:41.09 | genoobie | it's downloading about 60MB of stuff |
| 19:41.48 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, i'm using an ISO in a virtual server. NO burning of a CD. I AM using netinst. It has failed on this very same step 5 times with the same error. |
| 19:42.16 | hikenboot | I have created an encrypted swap file. It doesn't appear to be being used even after a reboot. Anyone know why. I have 2 gig of ram and have launched like 30 programs still no swap being used even set swappiness at 100 here is my crypttab and fstab http://pastebin.ca/1730994 |
| 19:42.18 | genoobie | newsense, is that a play on words like nonsense? |
| 19:42.48 | genoobie | again, thanks to everyone for *all* their help you ppl are amazing |
| 19:43.08 | AimHere | hikenboot, Maybe you're just not using up that memory. |
| 19:43.11 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, is the md5sum of the image correct? |
| 19:43.24 | Tj13820 | i have nothing to compare it against, it is comming from the iso |
| 19:43.39 | hikenboot | would there be a way to force like 3 quarters of the memory to be used by some process.. to test that theory? |
| 19:43.40 | Tj13820 | it *should* be correct as the ISO is unmodified and downloaded from the debian site |
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| 19:45.51 | Tj13820 | is there anyway to fix this? or should i just re-download the netinst image? |
| 19:46.15 | newsense | genoobie: no my nick is taken from a local chicago rapper |
| 19:46.33 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, 52794007fa5cc7b90d18943e867f05de |
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| 19:46.44 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, make sure the md5sum matches that |
| 19:46.58 | Tj13820 | there is no image that i can take an MD5SUM of, just a bunch of source folders |
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| 19:47.24 | Tj13820 | i just went into /cdrom/pool/main/l/ and there is no image built |
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| 19:49.45 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, md5sum <image I am trying to use> |
| 19:50.26 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, there is no image, that is the issue. Just the sources for some reason. |
| 19:50.35 | Tj13820 | I am in the exact directory that the error specifies |
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| 19:51.04 | Justin | Tj13820: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 19:51.05 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, alright im confused on something... I thought you were using the debian-installer from the netinst iso image? |
| 19:51.12 | Tj13820 | ahh! wait |
| 19:51.22 | Tj13820 | I was looking in the wrong place *headdesk* |
| 19:51.23 | Affili | Hello. Is editing the sources.list and #apt-get dist-upgrade the right way to update my system from lenny to Squeeze ? |
| 19:51.41 | Titan8990 | Affili, why would you want to do that? |
| 19:51.52 | Justin | Tj13820: what is the md5sum of the file that it complains about? |
| 19:52.16 | newsense | Titan8990: believe it or not but a lot of people do it to get updated packages |
| 19:52.33 | Titan8990 | newsense, then they are doing it for the wrong reasons |
| 19:52.41 | newsense | i know sounds crazy |
| 19:53.00 | Affili | Titan8990: everything works too good :-) No problems at all. I would like to have a look at the gnome-networkmanager >= 0.7.0 for same features für my umts card |
| 19:53.01 | MusicalGenius | how hard is it to set up dual monitors? |
| 19:53.06 | newsense | Titan8990: just use backports right |
| 19:53.14 | genoobie | newsense, what's dget? |
| 19:53.19 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, 4d3e7a8dd5f40946bc66fe185872fa7e |
| 19:53.22 | Titan8990 | newsense, yes, and if you want a bleeding-edge distro, use a bleeding-edge distro |
| 19:53.51 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, what architecture? |
| 19:53.54 | Tj13820 | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb |
| 19:54.00 | newsense | im guilty of runnign squeeze myself, ran sid for many years on my personal box |
| 19:54.18 | newsense | genoobie: type whatis dget |
| 19:54.37 | newsense | genoobie: i think you mean wget anyways |
| 19:54.38 | Affili | MusicalGenius: got it working well with an nvidia card an the right driver by nvidia (Xorg) |
| 19:54.55 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb |
| 19:55.44 | MusicalGenius | hmmm |
| 19:55.51 | Affili | MusicalGenius: the end was a special Xorg Servermachine with 4 grapiccards... :-P Just for fun. |
| 19:55.56 | genoobie | well, I got validation FAILED at this step |
| 19:55.57 | genoobie | # |
| 19:55.58 | genoobie | dget -x http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/04/07/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.16-1.1.dsc |
| 19:55.58 | genoobie | # |
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| 19:56.07 | MusicalGenius | affili do i need compiz to do it? |
| 19:56.23 | PyroPhelia | is there a tool out there that will give me the exact read/write speed to a disk, or a disk array? |
| 19:56.24 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, im not sure about that... I just fetched the kernel package and it was: c118b5d6fc4f5007728d1ab804624cd8 linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19lenny2_i386.deb |
| 19:57.01 | Justin | 54f9af99d637cb6ee5e7af46ea37ff03 linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19_i386.deb |
| 19:57.05 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, then something is wrong with both the kernel name, and MD5SUM of the netinst iso that i've downloaded from the debian website. |
| 19:57.09 | Justin | is the correct md5sum |
| 19:57.14 | Affili | MusicalGenius: no, i think you do not. i solved it just by specifing several screens and so on in the xorg.conf |
| 19:57.20 | Tj13820 | yeah mine is wrong :'-( |
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| 19:57.25 | Titan8990 | Justin, curious, which package was that? |
| 19:57.28 | Tj13820 | I've already downloaded a new copy. |
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| 19:57.36 | Justin | Titan8990: huh? |
| 19:57.50 | Affili | the "magic word" is called "xinerama" or something like that... wait i'll take a look |
| 19:58.04 | Justin | the magic word is xrandr |
| 19:58.24 | Titan8990 | Justin, when i fetched linux-image-2.6.26-686 it fetched linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-19lenny2_i386.deb |
| 19:58.35 | Titan8990 | Justin, with a different md5sum |
| 19:58.43 | Tj13820 | there is something afoot! |
| 19:59.13 | Affili | Justin: xrandr ...? |
| 19:59.17 | babilen | Tj13820: you have md5 validation errors too? |
| 19:59.24 | Tj13820 | yeah... |
| 19:59.35 | Tj13820 | we all have a different md5sum. |
| 19:59.38 | Titan8990 | Affili, type into your terminal see what happens |
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| 19:59.41 | babilen | directly after the install? |
| 19:59.46 | Tj13820 | during. |
| 19:59.50 | Tj13820 | it fails to install the kernel |
| 20:00.07 | Justin | Titan8990: got me, it was in my approx cache |
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| 20:00.33 | Tj13820 | i'm going to try a freshly downloaded ISO and see if it gets me any further. |
| 20:00.45 | MusicalGenius | affili that looks like a lot of work |
| 20:00.46 | Affili | Titan8990: See what happens by typing xrandr or by typing the dist-upgrade foo ? |
| 20:00.53 | babilen | weird. there was another user who had exactly the same problem before. dod you try different mirrors? which mirror did you get the errors on? |
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| 20:01.09 | Tj13820 | i used the default mirror for NETINST |
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| 20:01.26 | Affili | MusicalGenius: copy 'n paste.... some IDs for the Cards.. a bit luck |
| 20:01.34 | bioe007 | im looking for good cli backup utility, something that can also backup windows boxes would be nice |
| 20:01.56 | iceroot | bioe007: rsync |
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| 20:02.08 | babilen | bioe007: have a look at rdiff-backup, bakula and rsnapshot |
| 20:02.14 | MusicalGenius | affili i just copy the green text into xorg.conf and then fix the card names and stuff? |
| 20:02.29 | Titan8990 | bioe007, rsync, deltacopy, unison |
| 20:02.47 | Tj13820 | bioe007: quick question, what are you backing up to? |
| 20:02.50 | genoobie | newsense, I'll switch to here |
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| 20:03.03 | soopos | How can you give the user Tester access to the user's Bond /home/Bond/.../file, when the permissions of /home/Bond are 700? |
| 20:03.06 | bioe007 | Tj13820: removabel HD |
| 20:03.16 | bioe007 | Tj13820: rotate them weekly to an off-site location |
| 20:03.40 | bioe007 | i have a debian fileserver and about 12 winXp machines |
| 20:03.44 | genoobie | that's what happened at while trying to get a deprecated alsa package |
| 20:03.47 | babilen | bioe007: the ones i gave you should work fine for that. bakula might be overkill though |
| 20:03.51 | soopos | * I have a symlink at /home/Tester/sage-4.3 to the file under Bond's home |
| 20:04.19 | Affili | MusicalGenius: to read a little bit about the stuff would be a good idea. |
| 20:04.31 | Tj13820 | bioe007: okay, from personal experience i wanted to point out that a backup is only good if it is also backed up. (Raid). I've had one situation where my backup failed and so did my computer. It forced me to cry a man-tear. |
| 20:04.41 | Tj13820 | :) |
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| 20:05.02 | bluehaze | hello. question about e1000 nic card. i do a modprobe e1000 and e1000e both of which are found. however its still not recognizing the internal nic card... how do i tell it to load |
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| 20:05.17 | bioe007 | Tj13820: well we try to keep weekly snapshots for 2-3 weeks atm |
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| 20:06.05 | babilen | bioe007: have a look at rdiff-backup or write your own backup script with rsync |
| 20:06.06 | Tj13820 | bioe007: much like a tape backup solution! that's not a bad idea :) I would probably use RSYNC to mirror the files and setup some sort of cron job |
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| 20:06.45 | Justin | bluehaze: you likely need a newer kernel |
| 20:06.56 | genoobie | okay, I'm trying to add sound to my laptop |
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| 20:07.02 | bioe007 | so then rsync the main trees from the fileserver, then compress snapshots out of that? |
| 20:07.09 | MusicalGenius | how do i change permissions on a secondary hard drive? |
| 20:07.13 | babilen | bluehaze: can you paste the output of 'lspci -nn' somewhere? |
| 20:07.19 | genoobie | cahoot, are you still here? |
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| 20:07.35 | newsense | genoobie: ask in #debian |
| 20:07.39 | bluehaze | babilen may i private chat with you and paste it there? |
| 20:07.41 | newsense | oops it is |
| 20:07.57 | babilen | bluehaze: paste it at http://paste.debian.net for example |
| 20:08.04 | bluehaze | k |
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| 20:08.42 | Tj13820 | bioe007: yeah, you could do that. if it is going over the net, it might be slow though. will the backup solution be located locally, connected to the machines? |
| 20:08.46 | Brack101 | Hi |
| 20:08.55 | babilen | bioe007: before you implement your own rsync solution check rsnapshot and rdiff-backup. they are both rsync based and might just do what you want |
| 20:09.09 | genoobie | so at step 5 on this wiki |
| 20:09.10 | bioe007 | babilen: k, ty |
| 20:09.11 | genoobie | http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx#Lenny |
| 20:09.16 | genoobie | it fails |
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| 20:09.54 | bioe007 | Tj13820: well the bulk of the work is local fileserver HD (many of the XP machines have their $HOME directories as shares on the server) |
| 20:10.00 | genoobie | when I type this command |
| 20:10.02 | genoobie | dget -x http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/04/07/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.16-1.1.dsc |
| 20:10.28 | newsense | genoobie: switch dget with wget |
| 20:10.29 | genoobie | I get this error |
| 20:10.33 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/d6a522e8f |
| 20:10.35 | genoobie | okay |
| 20:10.37 | Tj13820 | bioe007: so compressing locally woudln't be much of an issue. it would definately save you bandwitch and hard drive space |
| 20:10.48 | genoobie | just repeat the command? |
| 20:10.54 | newsense | yep |
| 20:11.01 | newsense | thats one command btw not 2 |
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| 20:11.18 | Tj13820 | bandwidth* |
| 20:12.03 | genoobie | so all it did was save a file |
| 20:12.05 | abrotman | genoobie: what's wrong with the alsa that you have ? |
| 20:12.16 | newsense | abrotman: no driver |
| 20:12.21 | tux_ | hello, how is it possible to detach/to set a tty into the background? |
| 20:12.24 | newsense | abrotman: hes compiling one |
| 20:12.25 | abrotman | newsense: for which card? |
| 20:12.48 | abrotman | genoobie: lspci -nn .. put that in a pastebin |
| 20:12.56 | stew | is he compiling one with m-a? |
| 20:13.00 | newsense | CS463x |
| 20:13.06 | newsense | abrotman: were ast that |
| 20:13.26 | abrotman | stew: if i had to guess.. it's one of the casualties of the firmware stuff |
| 20:13.31 | genoobie | newsense, I can't get to step six |
| 20:13.48 | newsense | why ? |
| 20:13.52 | genoobie | it won't let me cd to the directory |
| 20:14.00 | newsense | step 5 got the source right ? |
| 20:14.04 | genoobie | dget is doing something to make a dir or something |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | genoobie: there are all kinds of things that are going to make this difficult .. is this a laptop or desktop ? |
| 20:14.13 | genoobie | laptop |
| 20:14.27 | abrotman | trashes the idea of getting another sound card ... |
| 20:14.37 | newsense | genoobie: |
| 20:14.44 | newsense | genoobie: type ls do you see the dir ? |
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| 20:14.54 | newsense | genoobie: have you switched dirs since step 5 ? |
| 20:15.04 | genoobie | newsense, no, just files of the same name |
| 20:15.08 | genoobie | nope |
| 20:15.20 | bluehaze | Babilen i cant past.. the computer its on has no network. are you looking for this output: ethernet controller intel corp 82567LM-3 Gig network |
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| 20:15.29 | drizzd_ | I'm suffering from bugs.debian.org/545825 (keybindings tool segfaults). Bug is supposed to be fixed in version 2.28, but aptitude fails to resolve the necessary dependencies. |
| 20:15.40 | genoobie | it just downloaded the stuff into the root dir |
| 20:15.52 | Justin | bluehaze: ooh, that's the good one :) |
| 20:16.13 | drizzd_ | should I upgrade the entire distribution to testing? |
| 20:16.15 | Justin | i accidentally got a 82572, i'm considering upgrading |
| 20:16.18 | babilen | bluehaze: I am looking for the pccid .. run lspci -nn and paste the number in the brackets ( .... bla bla .... [1232:234a] <--- ) |
| 20:16.22 | roe_ | when booting, I get dumped to the grub cli, this is somewhat expected, but I'm not sure how to rectify it |
| 20:16.33 | newsense | genoobie: than cd /alsa-driver_1.0.16-1.1.dsc |
| 20:16.39 | bluehaze | k one sec |
| 20:16.40 | Justin | oh wait, i think 82575 is the good one, so hard to keep track |
| 20:16.45 | genoobie | hm |
| 20:16.50 | newsense | genoobie: don't know why you downloaded it there though |
| 20:16.53 | Justin | bluehaze: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:17.14 | Justin | ah, I have a 82567 on my desktop |
| 20:17.23 | Justin | newer kernel will indeed make it work |
| 20:17.34 | genoobie | not a directory |
| 20:17.35 | newsense | genoobie: sorry i had an old copy and i used paste. cd /alsa-driver-1.0.16 |
| 20:17.56 | genoobie | doesn't exist |
| 20:18.16 | genoobie | there's a diff.gz, tar.gz and .dsc |
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| 20:18.19 | genoobie | but no directory |
| 20:18.23 | Justin | isn't alsa on backports.org? |
| 20:18.51 | abrotman | genoobie: did you actually read that website that you linked to? |
| 20:18.59 | genoobie | yes, I'm at step 5 |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | so you have a .31 kernel ? |
| 20:19.29 | genoobie | no, I have .26 |
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| 20:19.39 | genoobie | it was suggested that I follow the instructions for .24 |
| 20:19.39 | bluehaze | Babilen 8086:10de |
| 20:19.47 | genoobie | to build the binary |
| 20:19.56 | genoobie | and the modules |
| 20:20.46 | newsense | genoobie: find / -type d -name alsa-driver-1.0.16 |
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| 20:21.29 | genoobie | newsense, isn't dget just a way to download a file? |
| 20:21.43 | newsense | wget yes |
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| 20:22.05 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, so far, so good. |
| 20:22.07 | newsense | genoobie: did find find the dir ? |
| 20:22.13 | genoobie | so the commands are identical |
| 20:22.19 | genoobie | um returned empyty |
| 20:22.22 | genoobie | *empty |
| 20:22.33 | newsense | genoobie: ok step 5 failed |
| 20:22.44 | Tj13820 | Titan8990, ther kernel is installed, and it is making the initramfs. |
| 20:23.04 | genoobie | yes newsense |
| 20:23.06 | Titan8990 | Tj13820, nice, had to afk for a few, what did you do differently? |
| 20:23.26 | Tj13820 | downloaded a new ISO |
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| 20:23.40 | Tj13820 | one of the mirrors must have a corrupt ISO |
| 20:23.47 | Tj13820 | or out of date ISO |
| 20:24.05 | Tj13820 | aa6e7d6eb5 |
| 20:24.07 | genoobie | newsense, do you want to me resend the pastebin link of the failure? |
| 20:24.21 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/d6a522e8f |
| 20:24.28 | genoobie | it failed some sort of signature check |
| 20:24.31 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:10de |
| 20:24.32 | judd | babilen: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de |
| 20:24.55 | babilen | bluehaze: you will have to install the kernel from backports. |
| 20:25.01 | babilen | !tell bluehaze -about bpo |
| 20:25.20 | Titan8990 | babilen, uhh, i think e1000e as seperate instructions for a manual build |
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| 20:25.24 | Titan8990 | !e1000e |
| 20:25.25 | dpkg | [e1000e] driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters. Support for the 82574L controller (found in ASUS Z8PE-D12 & Supermicro X8STi-F motherboards) introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18, ask me about <5.0.3>. Support for 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts added to mainline in 2.6.31-rc1. Driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sf.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=42302&package_id=272252 |
| 20:25.43 | Titan8990 | babilen, yeah, backports kernel wouldn't cover something added in .31 |
| 20:25.52 | babilen | Titan8990: thanks, was not aware of that. and bpo won't even help |
| 20:25.56 | newsense | genoobie: in your home directory do you see anything that wasnt there before ? |
| 20:25.59 | babilen | bluehaze: ^^^^ |
| 20:26.10 | genoobie | nothing in home dir |
| 20:26.16 | genoobie | but new files in root dir |
| 20:26.46 | bluehaze | babilen titan. thank you . |
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| 20:27.13 | genoobie | there's no /root directory |
| 20:27.20 | genoobie | should I just make one? |
| 20:27.41 | newsense | genoobie: type wget http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/04/07/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-driver_1.0.16-1.1.dsc from your ~/ dir |
| 20:27.51 | genoobie | as "su" |
| 20:27.57 | newsense | gen no |
| 20:28.06 | genoobie | as regular user |
| 20:28.08 | genoobie | okay |
| 20:28.10 | newsense | yeah |
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| 20:28.46 | genoobie | it just makes a directory |
| 20:28.57 | newsense | genoobie: cd to it |
| 20:29.05 | genoobie | snapshot but it doesn nothing to unpack the .dsc file |
| 20:29.16 | newsense | gen on my system it does |
| 20:29.39 | newsense | gen do you have the .dsc file ? |
| 20:29.42 | dvs | genoobie: the .dsc file just looks like a text file to me. |
| 20:29.50 | genoobie | yes. |
| 20:29.58 | stew | it is just a text file |
| 20:30.01 | newsense | cd to the dir with it and run line 2 of step 6 |
| 20:30.01 | genoobie | I have like three copies of the .dsc file |
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| 20:30.07 | genoobie | okay |
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| 20:30.21 | newsense | genoobie: why didn't you just say you had it already |
| 20:30.32 | Titan8990 | has a feeling this is the wrong approach to the problem with alsa |
| 20:30.41 | newsense | genoobie: obviously i was trying to help you aquire it |
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| 20:30.59 | genoobie | oh, obviously, stupid bologna |
| 20:30.59 | newsense | Titan8990: it's not an alsa problem, it's no driver issue |
| 20:31.26 | genoobie | newsense, I'm going to make a dir with that name and continue forward |
| 20:31.26 | newsense | genoobie: listen to Titan8990 he's going to get your sound running |
| 20:31.43 | stew | genoobie: with what name? |
| 20:31.46 | genoobie | Titan8990, okay? |
| 20:32.03 | genoobie | these steps are no good? |
| 20:32.05 | stew | why would one use wget on a dsc instead of dget? |
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| 20:32.12 | genoobie | http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx#Lenny |
| 20:32.23 | genoobie | stew the dget failed |
| 20:32.30 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/d6a522e8f |
| 20:32.39 | Titan8990 | well, if he just lacks drivers why not `aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils`? |
| 20:32.54 | Titan8990 | why are things being manually fetched? i guess I missed something |
| 20:32.55 | newsense | Titan8990: he's done that |
| 20:33.09 | genoobie | okay, so keep going with step 6? |
| 20:33.14 | newsense | Titan8990:no driver provided by his kernel |
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| 20:33.38 | stew | genoobie: did you download anything other than the dsc? (like the other files mentioned in the dsc?) |
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| 20:33.56 | Titan8990 | newsense, i see now... |
| 20:34.06 | Titan8990 | looks like the biggest PITA of any sound chip I have seen |
| 20:34.27 | newsense | Titan8990: yeah 2.6.31 reports a working driver |
| 20:34.36 | newsense | yes on .26 though |
| 20:34.46 | newsense | s/yes/he's |
| 20:35.04 | genoobie | so newsense if I make a directory of that name and copy the .dsc into there I can continue on correct? |
| 20:35.26 | newsense | genoobie: i'm done, sorry |
| 20:35.44 | newsense | genoobie: i'm sure you'll get it figured out here |
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| 20:36.06 | Titan8990 | newsense, lol but even there it requires you manually apply a patch and install firmware |
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| 20:36.47 | cesurasean | Is there a newer version than 2.2.9 of Apache inside backports? |
| 20:38.44 | alfatau | hello, i've done a complete hard drive raw image using dd to an huge file. My source hard drive had 3 partitions. Is it possible to virtualize the image file to a device having 3 partitions to mount in loopback? thanks for your attention |
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| 20:39.38 | genoobie | ugh |
| 20:39.38 | genoobie | okay |
| 20:39.58 | genoobie | I'm stuck at step 5 of these instructions to add the module to the kernel |
| 20:40.13 | genoobie | http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx#Lenny |
| 20:40.21 | genoobie | it's a dget command that fails |
| 20:40.30 | genoobie | is dget just used to get a file? |
| 20:40.51 | stew | genoobie: it gets a source package described by a .dsc |
| 20:41.27 | genoobie | so wget will accomplish the same thing? |
| 20:41.33 | stew | genoobie: it downloads the .dsc, reads it and see what other files are part of the source package, then downloads those. if you use -x it also untars the tarball(s) and applies any debian patches |
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| 20:41.37 | stew | genoobie: no |
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| 20:41.53 | genoobie | stew okay, so I tried the dget and I got this error |
| 20:42.03 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/d6a522e8f |
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| 20:42.19 | korhojoa | genoobie: urgh, you have a cs46xx. god those cards SUCK. |
| 20:42.26 | pantelis | trying to setup network. ethernet recognized as eth0 and usb-ethernet as eth1 .i have alredy setup udev rules in order always happen that.despite this usb works only after being hotplug. any help?? |
| 20:42.26 | genoobie | believe me I know |
| 20:42.35 | dvs | genoobie: it suggests that you didn't download the keyring. |
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| 20:42.48 | genoobie | I could try that again... |
| 20:42.49 | dvs | as root |
| 20:42.54 | stew | yeah, becuase you don't have that key in your keyring, you can either verify it, or skip the verification and unpack it anyway with "dpkg-source -x alsa-driver_1.0.16-1.1.dsc" |
| 20:42.59 | genoobie | dvs sudo is sufficient? |
| 20:43.39 | dvs | genoobie: I think that only gives you root permissions |
| 20:43.46 | pantelis | explain pleaze (niewbe here) |
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| 20:44.37 | genoobie | dvs su then? |
| 20:44.44 | genoobie | or should I do as root |
| 20:44.57 | stew | genoobie: you don't need to do any of this as root |
| 20:44.58 | dvs | genoobie: su will switch you to root |
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| 20:45.16 | dvs | stew: that's what the instructions say. |
| 20:45.33 | genoobie | dvs that's what I did on this step though, no? |
| 20:45.34 | genoobie | aptitude -t etch-backports install debian-backports-keyring |
| 20:45.41 | stew | oh |
| 20:45.44 | stew | that has to be as root |
| 20:45.49 | dvs | genoobie: as what user? |
| 20:45.55 | stew | the dget -x, dpkg-buildpackage don't have to be done as root |
| 20:45.58 | PyroPhelia | in atop is it possible to see only dsk information? I dont need net, prc, cpu mem, or swp. I've used l to reduce net and cpu to 0 and i've increased dsk to 14 but I can't because net and cpu are still there |
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| 20:46.36 | genoobie | dvs root |
| 20:46.41 | mrwill | hey guys - upgrading from etch to lenny and my filesystem got remounted as read-only |
| 20:46.42 | genoobie | I did all those commands as su |
| 20:47.04 | mrwill | should I be freaking out? |
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| 20:47.36 | dvs | genoobie: the first step of step 1 switches you to root. |
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| 20:47.42 | genoobie | right |
| 20:47.43 | genoobie | su |
| 20:48.07 | genoobie | would it hurt to go through the steps again? |
| 20:48.07 | stew | that's silly |
| 20:48.21 | stew | genoobie: no, nor help |
| 20:48.26 | dvs | genoobie: then there should be a /root/.gnupg directory. |
| 20:48.26 | genoobie | hmm |
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| 20:48.32 | genoobie | I know but there isn't |
| 20:48.39 | mrwill | There was an error with a package immediately preceding the remount - is that why it happened? |
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| 20:49.03 | genoobie | wait there is a root dir |
| 20:49.07 | stew | mrwill: no, probably the other way around, something went wrong with the filesystem that caused the package failure |
| 20:49.09 | genoobie | no .gnupg |
| 20:49.34 | stew | genoobie: one would be created when you did something with gpg |
| 20:49.46 | RocciaMax | hi all |
| 20:49.58 | dvs | genoobie: then the second step of step 3 was not run as root. |
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| 20:50.03 | mrwill | stew: should I try fsck? this is a remote system |
| 20:50.08 | stew | dvs: what makes you say that? |
| 20:50.13 | stew | mrwill: not if its mounted |
| 20:50.14 | genoobie | let me try that again |
| 20:50.19 | stew | genoobie: it won't help |
| 20:50.29 | xaashi | hi, i'm trying to boot a custom 2.6.24 kernel and keep getting, "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.26 not started .." does anyone know the kernel config options should be enabled for udev |
| 20:50.34 | RocciaMax | i'm afraid i blew up everything.... sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 20:50.36 | dvs | stew: where would the keys be put when run as root? |
| 20:50.39 | mrwill | stew: thought not, it has to stay mounted even if its read-only |
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| 20:50.55 | mrwill | stew: would a filesystem error get logged anywhere? |
| 20:51.09 | stew | dvs: man apt-key says, but its talking about a different key |
| 20:51.17 | colton_ | how do I find drivers for a graphics card? |
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| 20:51.33 | stew | dvs: its talking about the key used by the developer to sign the dsc |
| 20:51.55 | genoobie | stew, should I do a find for .gnupg? |
| 20:52.00 | roe_ | so I screwed up grub somehow, when I boot, I get dumped to a grub> prompt, the weird thing is I don't have a root or kernel command |
| 20:52.05 | genoobie | hmm |
| 20:52.22 | roe_ | what is the best way to re-install it. I am booted to a lenny CD in rescue mode atm |
| 20:52.27 | stew | genoobie: have you gpg signed anybody elses key which gives you a path to the strong set? |
| 20:53.10 | genoobie | hmm I installed a few keyrings today |
| 20:53.16 | genoobie | as well as uninstalled a few |
| 20:53.28 | stew | genoobie: if not you have two options, download that key from a keyserver and just check if it matches, which tells you that SOME key did sign this package, not knowing who's key it is, OR just skip the check and unpack the source |
| 20:53.39 | genoobie | stew okay |
| 20:54.00 | stew | genoobie: to download the key, run "gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 88C7C1F7" |
| 20:54.16 | genoobie | okay |
| 20:54.28 | stew | genoobie: or you can probably find that key in the /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg |
| 20:54.46 | stew | genoobie: then you can dget again, or you can just unpack with dpkg-source -x |
| 20:54.57 | mrwill | how can I tell whether something is wrong with a disk? |
| 20:55.00 | genoobie | I'll do the dget again |
| 20:55.39 | cahoot | mrwill: look at smartmontolls |
| 20:55.39 | RocciaMax | i just wiped all the basic stuff in my lenny with a apt-get autoremove |
| 20:55.44 | cahoot | err tools |
| 20:55.47 | genoobie | woot |
| 20:55.54 | genoobie | stew it seems to be working |
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| 20:56.11 | sur_ | hello, I have three systems, two desktops(home, work) and a notebook. I would love to be able to synchronize the applications on the three, is there a way to do that? Such as the Siphon add-on on Firefox? |
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| 20:56.28 | genoobie | yay! |
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| 20:56.34 | RocciaMax | i got a list of all removed packages... may i try a apt-get install package package package pac.....? |
| 20:56.39 | genoobie | I'm like special ed here |
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| 20:57.05 | cahoot | sur_: unison perhaps? |
| 20:57.08 | RocciaMax | special who? |
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| 20:57.29 | genoobie | okay, I'm continuing with the steps tew |
| 20:57.30 | sur_ | cahoot, not files but applications |
| 20:57.31 | genoobie | stew |
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| 20:58.10 | genoobie | stew, is there any problem doing this all as root? |
| 20:58.33 | stew | genoobie: that all depends in what bugs exist in the build system |
| 20:58.39 | genoobie | :) |
| 20:59.03 | zig_ | I have a partition table I'd like to run over with you guys, perhaps someone could tell me if it's crazy or anything. |
| 20:59.12 | zig_ | Or rather, a partitioning scheme. |
| 20:59.17 | _markb1_ | what's the best way, to determine when or if a package will be promoted to testing? desperately seeking 2.6.3x for Squeeze (3x > .30), to fix the wonderful iwlagn-driver for T400 thinkpad... :( |
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| 21:00.10 | genoobie | I feel like a serious *noob* |
| 21:00.14 | dvs | genoobie: the instructions want you to do it all as root but adding "sudo" to the beginning of ALL the commands should be the same thing. |
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| 21:00.22 | zig_ | 3 HDD's, hda, hdb, and hdc. There's a full RAID volume on each. They are configured as a RAID1 across hda and hdb, hdc is configured as the spare. |
| 21:00.23 | _markb1_ | has scoured google et al, to get this damnable driver to work for dhclient/dhcp |
| 21:00.56 | zig_ | Anyone following me? I don't want to go through all this unless someone actually knows about this sorta thing and is willing to give their "that's good" or "that's the dumbest partitioning scheme I've ever heard in my life. Go back to Windows" |
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| 21:01.17 | genoobie | okay |
| 21:01.19 | genoobie | stuck again |
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| 21:02.08 | genoobie | I typed this dpkg -i ./alsa-source*deb |
| 21:02.24 | genoobie | and it was unable to find /usr/src/modules |
| 21:02.40 | genoobie | and it was unable to find /usr/src/modules/alsa* |
| 21:02.41 | colton_ | Okay so I'm following the steps on this page for the installation of nvidia drivers. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-freedrivers Does anyone care to translate the first instruction into langauge I can understand? "0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult the sources.list(5) man page for help on doing this)" |
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| 21:03.15 | genoobie | the screen went blue and it continued working |
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| 21:03.31 | markit | hi, with lspci I can see the ethernet boards installed, with ifconfig I can see their mac-address, but how can I tell which pci board is what ethx? |
| 21:03.47 | genoobie | it gave me this error |
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| 21:04.18 | markit | I've a multiport ethernet board, and don't know which phisical port is what ethx (it's seen as 4 distinct pci device) |
| 21:04.22 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/d465bd5a8 |
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| 21:04.25 | craigevil | colton_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list with a text editor as root and add contrib non-free to the end of the debian repo you are using |
| 21:04.48 | genoobie | can't find / access the directory |
| 21:04.55 | metalac | just installed fresh lenny and startup of syslogd takes a very long time 5-10 minutes, any idea what might be an issue or where I could check? |
| 21:05.04 | stew | markit: plug something in and see if you get negotiation messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages? |
| 21:05.41 | markit | stew: good idea, just wondering how to know by a pure software way :) |
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| 21:06.14 | stew | genoobie: did dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot succeed? |
| 21:07.04 | genoobie | it mentioned something about binary upload only |
| 21:07.09 | genoobie | it didn't faily |
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| 21:07.21 | genoobie | fail, I mean it returned me to cmd prompt |
| 21:07.21 | stew | genoobie: what does "pwd" return? |
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| 21:07.39 | genoobie | returns a / |
| 21:07.44 | markit | stew: in udev persistent-net I've a # PCI device, but the id there does not match with the one from lspci |
| 21:08.26 | stew | genoobie: what command did you run that gave you the dpkg error? |
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| 21:08.38 | zig_ | I heard that some people are using virtualbox for serving, not just for testing. Is this true? |
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| 21:09.00 | zig_ | Or is Xen still the king of service virtualization? |
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| 21:09.09 | stew | genoobie: what is the full path to the alsa-drive-1.0.16 directory where you ran dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:09.21 | genoobie | that's right off the root dir |
| 21:09.46 | genoobie | top level /alsa-drive-1.0.16 |
| 21:09.53 | stew | genoobie: what command gave you the dpkg error from the pastebin? |
| 21:10.03 | genoobie | hold a sec. |
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| 21:10.30 | genoobie | dpkg -i /tmp/alsa-modules*deb |
| 21:10.30 | dpkg | package /tmp/alsa-modules*deb is already installed |
| 21:10.36 | genoobie | oops |
| 21:10.42 | stew | genoobie: did you try the command in the instructions? |
| 21:10.51 | colton_ | craigevil: So, here are the contents of that file before making any changes: http://pastebin.com/d656916ec |
| 21:10.57 | genoobie | that was the command in the instructions step 9 |
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| 21:11.12 | genoobie | step 8 gave a small error but then continued |
| 21:11.16 | stew | oh |
| 21:11.24 | stew | i thought you were on step 7 |
| 21:11.44 | colton_ | So, I simply type "contrib non-free" on the next line? |
| 21:11.48 | genoobie | at the end it asked if I wanted to see the log file or continue |
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| 21:11.50 | stew | colton_: no |
| 21:11.55 | genoobie | should I repeat from step 7? |
| 21:11.58 | stew | no |
| 21:12.08 | genoobie | okay |
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| 21:12.23 | stew | genoobie: you ran m-a with -u /tmp ? |
| 21:12.33 | genoobie | yes |
| 21:12.38 | stew | genoobie: i'd check the log then |
| 21:12.52 | stew | genoobie: which should be somewhere in either /var/lib/modass or /var/log/modass |
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| 21:13.13 | stew | genoobie: i'd also look in /var/lib/modass to see if the .deb was created there instead |
| 21:13.22 | stew | err could be /var/cache/modass too i guess |
| 21:13.34 | stew | i don't remember, i haven't used this stuff in a long time |
| 21:13.38 | genoobie | no modass |
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| 21:13.59 | genoobie | there's a modass in cache |
| 21:14.12 | swelling | hello |
| 21:14.17 | genoobie | but in lib and log, no modass |
| 21:14.22 | genoobie | no .deb |
| 21:15.09 | genoobie | okay |
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| 21:15.22 | genoobie | I'm going to repeat from step 7 and see where the error may be |
| 21:15.30 | genoobie | running all as su |
| 21:15.39 | stew | genoobie: don't bother with step 7, step 8 |
| 21:15.45 | genoobie | okay |
| 21:15.49 | stew | i mean, just run step 8 and see what the error is |
| 21:16.02 | colton_ | How do I discover which debian repository I am using? |
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| 21:17.14 | genoobie | but there didn't seem to be any errors from the m-a step |
| 21:18.02 | genoobie | so I will examine the build log file correct? |
| 21:18.07 | stew | genoobie: what does "ls /tmp/*deb" return? anything alsa related? |
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| 21:19.16 | genoobie | stew nothing |
| 21:19.44 | stew | genoobie: and "find /var/cache/modass -name \*deb" ? |
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| 21:20.12 | genoobie | nothing |
| 21:20.25 | genoobie | at the end of the m-a log there are some errors |
| 21:20.34 | genoobie | I'l post m-a output in pastebin |
| 21:21.03 | genoobie | oh duh |
| 21:21.17 | genoobie | there it is "build of the alsa package failed" |
| 21:21.19 | zig_ | That's interesting... /boot is formatted with ext2 still |
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| 21:21.24 | zig_ | By default with Debian. |
| 21:21.27 | zig_ | Does that make sense? |
| 21:21.37 | genoobie | build of the package alsa-source failed |
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| 21:22.52 | Renfield | I am in need of assistance. I executed an "apt-get upgrade" to bring my system up to date with Debian testing. It has done a lot, but now it is stuck repeatedly printing this: FATAL: Error running install command for snd_seq |
| 21:23.21 | Renfield | This is printed out once maybe every five minutes. CPU usage is at 100%. |
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| 21:24.05 | genoobie | stew the first warning in the m-a command is WARNING: Makefile.conf.in seems to ignore the â |
| 21:24.05 | genoobie | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.40 | nevyn | zig_: yes |
| 21:24.57 | metalac | just installed fresh lenny and startup of syslogd takes a very long time 5-10 minutes, any idea what might be an issue or where I could check? |
| 21:25.47 | genoobie | stew you still here? |
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| 21:28.58 | genoobie | the log looks something like this |
| 21:29.00 | genoobie | http://pastebin.com/d1310e39d |
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| 21:29.29 | stew | genoobie: you probably need to use an older version of gcc |
| 21:29.36 | genoobie | hm |
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| 21:29.46 | genoobie | how much older? |
| 21:30.04 | genoobie | can the new versions be asked to be older via some switch? |
| 21:30.20 | stew | what version are you using now? |
| 21:30.24 | stew | yes |
| 21:31.03 | genoobie | how do I find out? |
| 21:31.08 | stew | genoobie: the last line of 'gcc -v' would tell you |
| 21:31.22 | genoobie | 4.3.2 |
| 21:31.51 | stew | genoobie: what gcc version does "cat /proc/version" mention? |
| 21:32.20 | genoobie | 4.1.2 |
| 21:32.23 | genoobie | i mean 4.1.3 |
| 21:32.39 | genoobie | wait... |
| 21:32.51 | genoobie | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-19lenny2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 |
| 21:33.10 | genoobie | is it 4.1.3 or 4.1.2-25? |
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| 21:34.01 | stew | genoobie: so install gcc-4.1, and run "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" then re-run the m-a command |
| 21:34.12 | stew | its 4.1.3 |
| 21:34.31 | stew | but '4.1' is the important part |
| 21:35.11 | genoobie | how do I install an earlier version of gcc |
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| 21:35.31 | stew | genoobie: "aptitude install gcc-4.1" |
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| 21:35.45 | genoobie | damn it had to be that east |
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| 21:35.48 | genoobie | s/easy |
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| 21:36.17 | stew | this is something you need to do anyway, as you'd not have been able to use the 4.3 compiled alsa modules you were trying to build with your 4.1 compiled kernel anyway |
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| 21:37.50 | genoobie | um there's a prob |
| 21:37.58 | genoobie | I don't think aptitude installed gcc-4.1 |
| 21:38.16 | stew | genoobie: what was the error? |
| 21:38.24 | genoobie | no error, just said 0 newly installed |
| 21:38.33 | stew | it was already installed then |
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| 21:38.40 | stew | run the "export CC=..." |
| 21:38.42 | genoobie | okay |
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| 21:39.37 | genoobie | stew should there be any output from the export command? |
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| 21:39.59 | stew | no |
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| 21:41.11 | genoobie | stew if you don't mind me asking, what;s your profession? |
| 21:41.23 | dvs | chef? |
| 21:41.26 | dvs | ;-) |
| 21:42.11 | stew | genoobie: programming / linux system administration |
| 21:42.23 | genoobie | okay, the build failed again |
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| 21:43.21 | Supavisah | Anyone got some guides on how to setup a webserver from debian business card? |
| 21:43.28 | genoobie | did I have to run that command as su? |
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| 21:43.42 | neeeeeeeeeeeeeee | Hi! i did a stupid thing and ii need help... i've run a fsck in a online partition and now i get kernel panic, is there any way to recover it? |
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| 21:45.11 | genoobie | stew "You don't have the compiler that your kernel was built with installed" |
| 21:45.44 | genoobie | configure-stamp error 1 |
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| 21:47.25 | genoobie | dvs any suggestions? |
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| 21:49.23 | dvs | genoobie: no, the source you're trying to compile expects one version of the compiler while the kernel was build with another version. |
| 21:50.18 | genoobie | right well I used an export command to switch wouldn't that be okay> |
| 21:50.18 | genoobie | ? |
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| 21:51.23 | genoobie | how do I know which version of the compiler the source wants? |
| 21:51.26 | dvs | genoobie: If you revert it back, you get the first compile error. |
| 21:51.31 | genoobie | right |
| 21:51.51 | genoobie | if I leave it at 4.1 I get a different compile err |
| 21:52.08 | genoobie | the kernel was built with 4.1 |
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| 21:52.15 | dvs | genoobie: exactly. |
| 21:52.23 | genoobie | the version of gcc I have is 4.3 |
| 21:52.40 | dvs | genoobie: which won't compile either. |
| 21:53.06 | genoobie | so I run (according to stew) export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 21:53.18 | genoobie | then I try to recompile and I get an error |
| 21:53.37 | dvs | genoobie: and without it you get another error. |
| 21:53.45 | genoobie | uh oh |
| 21:53.49 | genoobie | sounds like a paradox |
| 21:53.53 | dvs | yup |
| 21:54.03 | Supavisah | Has anyone got guides for setting up a webserver from debian business card? |
| 21:54.25 | stew | genoobie: you'd have to figure out which version can compile alsa (the next one to try might be 3.4) then recompile your entire kernel with that version |
| 21:54.33 | stew | genoobie: (if you want to continue to use this old alsa version) |
| 21:54.38 | genoobie | hmmm |
| 21:54.44 | genoobie | what are my alternatives... |
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| 21:54.52 | dvs | genoobie: and the latest kernel doesn't work? |
| 21:55.00 | genoobie | I didn't try |
| 21:55.04 | stew | no idea. I don't even know why you are doing this in the first place |
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| 21:55.23 | genoobie | newsense suggested that I'd be mixing stable & unstable and that might be bad... |
| 21:55.32 | dvs | genoobie: yes, that's bad |
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| 21:55.55 | dvs | genoobie: you should use backports to get a more recent kernel. |
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| 21:56.24 | genoobie | I think the literature said .31+ supports this sound card |
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| 21:56.56 | genoobie | is it just a aptitude install <newkernel> |
| 21:56.58 | genoobie | ? |
| 21:57.57 | genoobie | okay I think that using this older also + recompiling the kernel is a much worse alternative than getting a new kernel |
| 21:58.05 | dvs | genoobie: you have to modify your sources.list to get lenny-backports |
| 21:58.18 | genoobie | dvs I think that's done already let me check |
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| 21:59.19 | genoobie | okay it was there but commented out |
| 21:59.42 | dvs | genoobie: I'd keep it in in your case. |
| 22:00.00 | genoobie | okay, aptitude is update |
| 22:00.04 | genoobie | updated that is |
| 22:01.20 | dvs | genoobie: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686 |
| 22:01.25 | helpanoob | Hi! i did a stupid thing and ii need help... i've run a fsck in a online partition and now i get kernel panic, is there any way to recover it?? |
| 22:01.30 | dvs | or whatever version you use |
| 22:02.42 | genoobie | dvs but it needs .31 or better isn't that version too old |
| 22:02.51 | genoobie | what's the bpo? |
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| 22:03.39 | dvs | !bpo |
| 22:03.39 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 22:04.31 | dvs | genoobie: debian takes fixes from newer kernels and puts them in older ones. It's worth a shot. |
| 22:04.42 | genoobie | once I install the kernel |
| 22:04.55 | helpanoob | :( |
| 22:04.56 | genoobie | will it automatically recognize the sound card? |
| 22:05.34 | dvs | genoobie: not a guarentee. |
| 22:05.37 | genoobie | right |
| 22:05.42 | genoobie | dvs why .2? |
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| 22:06.16 | dvs | genoobie: it's the latest version. |
| 22:06.25 | genoobie | ok |
| 22:06.28 | dvs | genoobie: there is a .1 but it's older. |
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| 22:06.35 | genoobie | okay...will try |
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| 22:07.35 | genoobie | what would 686-bi mean? |
| 22:07.52 | dvs | genoobie: if you have more then 4GB of RAM installed |
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| 22:07.58 | genoobie | oh bigmem |
| 22:08.05 | genoobie | tx |
| 22:08.12 | Kobaz | is there a package to get grub1? |
| 22:08.31 | dvs | Kobaz: grub-legacy |
| 22:08.32 | Kobaz | the grub package now defaults to grub2, which doesn't work properly with / on a md mirror |
| 22:08.35 | Kobaz | k |
| 22:08.40 | stew | Kobaz: there is grub in lenny or grub-legacy in testing/unstable |
| 22:08.53 | Kobaz | k |
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| 22:09.16 | dvs | genoobie: 686-bi means it likes PCs and Mac. ;-) |
| 22:09.49 | genoobie | impossible, that's sick |
| 22:10.10 | dvs | ;-) |
| 22:10.30 | HandyGandy | How can I tell what pasckages an uninstalled packe requires? |
| 22:10.46 | helo | Kobaz: grub2 works fine on / on a md mirror here |
| 22:10.59 | HandyGandy | s/packe/package/ |
| 22:11.10 | Kobaz | helo: hmm |
| 22:11.10 | dvs | HandyGandy: /msg dpkg depends <package-name> lenny |
| 22:11.22 | Kobaz | helo: what do you use for your preloaded modules for grub |
| 22:11.26 | genoobie | dvs I'm going to reboot and my newer kernel should be running correct? |
| 22:11.32 | genoobie | or is there anything else I need to do. |
| 22:11.44 | stew | HandyGandy: apt-cache show packagename ; or apt-cache depends packagename or aptitude search '~Rpackagename' |
| 22:11.55 | Kobaz | helo: grub installs, but boots into rescue mode |
| 22:12.09 | HandyGandy | dvs, it's not there. |
| 22:12.16 | helo | Kobaz: do you have / as an md mirror of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, or are you creating a mirror out of /dev/sda and /dev/sdb as md0, and partitioning md0? |
| 22:12.16 | dvs | genoobie: I'd watch the boot sequence to see what kernel is selected. |
| 22:12.21 | dvs | genoobie: and select the .30 one if it isnt selected by default |
| 22:12.26 | genoobie | okay |
| 22:12.29 | nse | I would like if Chromium was in Debian. |
| 22:12.34 | dvs | HandyGandy: type that right here in irc |
| 22:12.40 | genoobie | then fiddle with making that automatic |
| 22:12.41 | genoobie | bbiam |
| 22:12.47 | Kobaz | helo: mirroring devices, and then creating fs on the mirror |
| 22:12.48 | dvs | genoobie: yup |
| 22:12.53 | Kobaz | helo: the first one |
| 22:13.32 | Jippi_ | How can I fake that php5 package is installed on my system? I have compiled it by hand, and thus it's not represented in the dpkg system ? |
| 22:13.38 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 22:13.40 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.43 | Kobaz | Bus Error |
| 22:13.48 | Kobaz | that's not good |
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| 22:15.33 | HandyGandy | strew: I'll try those but let me make it clear. The package I want to check for dependencies is one I've downloaded. It does not exist in standard repositories. |
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| 22:16.28 | HandyGandy | s/strew/stew/ |
| 22:17.15 | stew | HandyGandy: dpkg -I foo.deb |
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| 22:21.14 | HandyGandy | stew: Thanks |
| 22:25.05 | dvs | huh?!? |
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| 22:25.26 | stew | ? |
| 22:25.44 | dvs | stew: GOD quit!!!! It's Legion! ;-) |
| 22:26.19 | stew | dvs: would you be more worried if GOD's connection was reset by peer? |
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| 22:27.00 | dvs | shudders |
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| 22:30.16 | PyroPhelia | how does hotplug work? I'm trying to hot plug some sata drives but they are not showing up in /dev |
| 22:30.35 | PyroPhelia | does /dev update automatically when a new drive is plugged in or do I have to turn something on? |
| 22:31.41 | macrobat | mabe there's a kernel config option for hotplugging hdds |
| 22:32.27 | project2501a | hey guys, i'm trying to import some packages from another installation |
| 22:32.36 | project2501a | dpkg --set-selections < installedpackages no worky worky |
| 22:32.36 | dpkg | project2501a: no idea |
| 22:32.44 | project2501a | silly bot |
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| 22:32.58 | helo | at least he's honest |
| 22:33.05 | project2501a | heh |
| 22:33.37 | project2501a | what am i doing wrong |
| 22:33.38 | macrobat | idk, cat installedpackages | xargs aptitude install |
| 22:33.48 | project2501a | lol at that |
| 22:34.09 | project2501a | that's what --import-packages is for |
| 22:34.11 | stew | project2501a: what you are doing is correct |
| 22:34.26 | project2501a | stew: thought so |
| 22:34.36 | project2501a | then i do an apt-get upgrade, but nothing gets installed |
| 22:34.42 | chops | PyroPhelia: (a) is udev running (b) do you really have hotplug-capable hardware? |
| 22:34.54 | stew | project2501a: but that just sets your selections, doesn't actually do anything about them, you'd also want to do something like "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
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| 22:35.05 | project2501a | ah |
| 22:35.06 | project2501a | yes |
| 22:35.08 | project2501a | danke |
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| 22:35.18 | project2501a | that had slipped my mind |
| 22:35.26 | project2501a | axiom |
| 22:35.29 | project2501a | debian makes you fat |
| 22:35.34 | project2501a | burger king help |
| 22:35.35 | project2501a | s |
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| 22:37.17 | becks` | somebody knows how to set the renewal and rebinding options in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf? |
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| 22:39.38 | project2501a | becks`: man dhcpd.conf ? |
| 22:41.19 | helo | project2501a: "it's not working!" :P |
| 22:41.38 | project2501a | yeah yeah eyah |
| 22:41.47 | project2501a | gawd i wanna go to sleep |
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| 22:44.55 | becks` | project2501a i found it in man dhcp-options and it says "This option is not user configurable." :-( i wonder why! |
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| 22:56.57 | bluehaze | so i want to install the kernel of sid. 2.6.32+23: amd64 i386. i need to do this for my nic card. backport kernel did not work. what update do i put in /apt/sources.list so it finds the sid kernel when i do dselect. |
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| 22:57.28 | bluehaze | if that makes sense.. at all. i am pretty new to this. |
| 22:58.06 | dvs | bluehaze: I'd download the .deb by itself |
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| 22:59.12 | dvs | what nic are we talking about? |
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| 23:00.12 | bluehaze | dvs. its the intel corp 82567LM-3 Gig networ |
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| 23:01.21 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.35 | adb | pciid ? |
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| 23:12.38 | macrobat | ty |
| 23:13.17 | adb | np |
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| 23:18.21 | chops | Fun fact of the day: At the company I'm doing a contract for, developers' workstations are named after classic video games (Joust, Pong, etc). Linux servers are named after cell phone games (breakout, snake). Windows servers are now named after drinking games. I'm setting up an SSL certificate for "quarters" as we speak. |
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| 23:27.23 | babilen | bluehaze: tried the out-of-tree method? |
| 23:28.18 | babilen | bluehaze: and you can just download the .deb for the kernel you need and install it with 'dpkg -i' |
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| 23:38.53 | bioe007 | anyone know if win7 can do printing to cups? |
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| 23:39.26 | Tj13820 | bioe007: you'd have to install support for it i would imageine. It is "windozzzzzz" |
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| 23:40.05 | Tj13820 | bioe007: The CUPS driver for Windows downloads currently only support 32-bit Windows clients and must be combined with the Microsoft PostScript driver as described on the cupsaddsmb(8) man page. |
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| 23:40.20 | bioe007 | Tj13820: i've read that |
| 23:40.44 | bioe007 | i've also read that you can give XP a ipp |
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| 23:43.39 | genoobie | hey |
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| 23:44.08 | MrFahrenheit | I'm getting "failed to join domain: Invalid configuratorn and configuraton modification was not requested" when trying to join a windows server 2003 domain, any tips |
| 23:44.58 | genoobie | dvs? |
| 23:45.14 | genoobie | or stew. |
| 23:45.47 | genoobie | okay I put the newer kernel in |
| 23:45.55 | genoobie | 2.6.30 from the backports |
| 23:46.00 | genoobie | the sound is still not working |
| 23:46.51 | genoobie | can windows drivers be used in linux? |
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| 23:47.21 | AimHere | Generally, no. |
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| 23:47.43 | genoobie | so there's no "driver conversion" utility or something |
| 23:47.52 | AimHere | There are exceptions, though. The ATI and Nvidia graphics card driver is pretty much the same binary blob for both windows and Linux, with a custom shim for Linux |
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| 23:48.24 | AimHere | And wireless card drivers might be usable with ndiswrapper, but I'm not sure of the status of that these days. |
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| 23:49.43 | mattis | How would you guys go about creating a "portable apps" application, just for Linux / Debian? |
| 23:49.46 | chops | AimHere, genoobie: I'm currently using an ndiswrapper binary on my laptop; it's not the best, but there's not a free driver for my card at all right now |
| 23:49.48 | genoobie | yeah trying to get a sound driver to work |
| 23:50.18 | AimHere | I'm not aware of anything that can take a Windows sound driver and make it go on Linux |
| 23:50.53 | chops | genoobie: Have you installed and set up ALSA? Sound is still kind of a hassle on Linux. Do you have a /dev/audio and output from dmesg indicating your card is recognized? |
| 23:50.56 | AimHere | You sure it's a driver problem and not a problem with your audio layer? There's about 5 to choose from these days, so if one's broken, you might pick another. |
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| 23:52.23 | genoobie | well dmesg sees it |
| 23:52.44 | genoobie | but nothing in lsmod for sound |
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| 23:52.51 | bioe007 | Tj13820: dare i say it.. . win7 + cups = JUST WORKS (tm) |
| 23:54.26 | Tj13820 | nice :) |
| 23:54.38 | bioe007 | and i dont even have the proper windows driver :) |
| 23:54.50 | Tj13820 | o-O |
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| 23:55.18 | genoobie | hm |
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| 23:55.53 | TangentCollision | cups? |
| 23:55.55 | craigevil | !alsa-checklist |
| 23:55.55 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 23:56.15 | AimHere | genoobie, you tried modprobing the appropriate drivers, or checking to make sure they're not blacklisted. |
| 23:56.27 | genoobie | well to some extent |
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| 23:57.21 | genoobie | the pc speaker works :) |
| 23:57.26 | genoobie | I can get bell |
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