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| 00:00.54 | cast | would have worked if i had hit slash :< |
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| 00:13.50 | Etna | the network icon in my KDE panel seems to have mysteriously disappeared, how do i go about putting it back? |
| 00:13.58 | Etna | it's KDE3 byt he way |
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| 00:15.12 | HardDisk_WP | anyone of you ever set up aufs? |
| 00:15.17 | EagleRock | hmm...the nvidia graphics driver seems to have failed after squeeze patched the 2.6.30-2 kernel. I even redid m-a on the source as per the dpkg guide for nvidia squeeze and it still fails. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:17.16 | mreh_ | having trouble writing my wpa_supplicant.conf, not sure how to write the 10 digit hex key in the file |
| 00:17.22 | Etna | the network icon in my KDE panel seems to have mysteriously disappeared, how do i go about putting it back? |
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| 00:18.26 | jellow | there are some charecters i can't use/find is it possible to reasighn some of the keys? |
| 00:20.01 | macrobat | jellow: do you want to write special characters? or another keymap? |
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| 00:21.55 | macrobat | you can use xmodmap |
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| 00:22.56 | jellow | macrobat: i can use all normal letters just can't use some special keys |
| 00:23.06 | jellow | ok thanks |
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| 00:23.50 | macrobat | xmodmap -pke to see what the keys are assigned to now |
| 00:23.52 | babilen | mreh_: wpa2-psk uses a passphrase |
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| 00:26.19 | macrobat | !tell jellow about compose |
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| 00:29.16 | Etna | the network icon in my KDE 3.5 panel seems to have mysteriously disappeared, how do i go about putting it back? |
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| 00:31.08 | babilen | Etna: you mean the network-manager applet? |
| 00:31.20 | Etna | year. the one in KDE 3.5 |
| 00:31.24 | Etna | it just somehow vanished |
| 00:31.30 | Etna | after i booted my PC for the say |
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| 00:32.33 | Etna | how can i put it back in the KDE panel? |
| 00:33.25 | Etna | i tried removing and adding the System Tray applet again, but it still comes up without the network icon |
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| 00:34.52 | HardDisk_WP | hmmm... can one use this ubuntu faq also on debian: |
| 00:34.52 | HardDisk_WP | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/aufsRootFileSystemOnUsbFlash |
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| 00:35.09 | HardDisk_WP | everything works, except one thing... this script doesnt get copied in the initramfs |
| 00:35.50 | l3x | i can't see my screen saver. I installed me nvidia drivers and i can see the screen saver only when i hit the Test button. Im using KDE |
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| 00:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | etFIX: Are you sure you have the system tray? |
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| 01:03.09 | arbir | hello. |
| 01:03.44 | arbir | i keep getting Ign, despite changing my repos. how can i overcome this problem ? |
| 01:03.55 | babilen | it's not a problem |
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| 01:04.24 | arbir | babilen: if its ignoring something, then i am sure, i am missing something, or not ? |
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| 01:05.03 | babilen | no, it is just not downloading that file |
| 01:05.36 | arbir | babilen: so, how come its happening in so many repos |
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| 01:05.49 | arbir | babilen: is it a universal issue ? or just with my repos ? :-) |
| 01:06.09 | babilen | arbir: it's fine. you already have that file and it is not downloading it again |
| 01:06.47 | arbir | babilen: in that, case, why should it check , if i already have that file... i am sorry if my questions are irritating |
| 01:07.01 | jmarsden | arbir: "Ign" just means "nothing changed in this one, no need to do anything". It checks whether there is a newer version ... |
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| 01:07.16 | arbir | jmarsden: super :-) thanks.. |
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| 01:08.08 | dirkson | Hey all. I'm running debian squeeze, and I find myself in need of a debian lenny package. The trick that allows me to install sid packages I need doesn't appear to work in reverse- How am I /supposed/ to install a lenny package? |
| 01:08.54 | nevyn | has it been updated in squeeze? |
| 01:08.56 | redDEADresolve | dirkson, i just did a debian package search and install the .deb from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages i need a single deb didnt think it worth it to add the repo |
| 01:09.35 | jellow | is this correct syntax for adding a key , shift + w = > , xmodmap -e "Shift 77 = >"? |
| 01:09.45 | jmarsden | redDEADresolve: So now when there is a security update for it, you'll never see the update and stay vulnerable... you may want to rethink your strategy... |
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| 01:09.49 | dirkson | redDEADresolve: I think I'll need to install a lot more than one package |
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| 01:10.05 | redDEADresolve | jmarsden, it was one package ill run the risk |
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| 01:11.26 | dirkson | would like to point out that the recent (couple years) ssh problem was limited to one package too. |
| 01:12.43 | dirkson | I have need of libgtk1.2, which is just /missing/ from squeeze. |
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| 01:15.55 | dirkson | Haha! There it goes |
| 01:16.15 | dirkson | Not that that fixed my problem |
| 01:17.57 | peleg | Bash do not know, maybe you know: |
| 01:18.04 | peleg | I keep getting for *some* of my keybindings this error message: "bash: bash_execute_unix_command: cannot find keymap for command" -- do you have any idea what can cause this? For some reason, it happens only for some keybindings... |
| 01:18.21 | peleg | for example, this works: bind -m vi-insert -x '"\kappa":killall firefox-bin' -- while this does not work: bind -m vi-insert -x '"\kappaf":killall firefox-bin'. |
| 01:18.24 | jaggz- | omg someone comfort me, or stop me. I had a raid mirror of two 500 GB drives. One or both of the drives is failing so I began the RAID bios's rebuild of one of the drives onto a new drive (650 GB.. wasting 150). The rebuild then failed (ie. the source drive messed up) and the rebuild bios made me reboot. I then switched the source-drive cable to the other source drive and booted back up into the RAID rebuild area. |
| 01:18.29 | jaggz- | did that get cut off? |
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| 01:19.33 | jaggz- | so it recognized "the rebuild process was aborted, hit enter to continue to rebuild", but it did not take me to the display to select the 650 again. So it started continuing to rebuild at 5% where it left off before. |
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| 01:19.55 | cast | isn't this more of a raid vendor support question |
| 01:19.59 | jaggz- | I wouldn't be worried had I just rebooted and continued, but I am very concerned that I am presently overwriting my one good drive with the 650 |
| 01:20.10 | cast | doesn't sound like it has anything to do with debian :\ |
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| 01:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz-: Once again proving that RAID is not the answer people think it is. |
| 01:20.42 | jaggz- | I'll try reaching them, good point -- but no, this is desperation and maybe someone has some knowledge or experience to help. |
| 01:21.12 | cast | i'd stop trying to do stuff incase the RAID controller overwrites shit |
| 01:21.21 | cast | these FC or SATA? |
| 01:21.28 | cast | not that it matters :) |
| 01:21.31 | jaggz- | jhutchins, it's been going smoothly with the rest of this rebuild, so the one source drive is working well... just that they really have to be more clear in their interfaces. |
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| 01:22.18 | jaggz- | in fact, one interface before said, "Press Y to continue establishing RAID mirror. " then next screen informed me, "This will overwrite both drives. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]" |
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| 01:22.45 | trstag_alt | if anyone has a working Debian / KVM setup in NAT/masquerading (not bridging) setup working I'd be very interesting by a pastebin of ifconfig and "virsh net-list all" :-/ |
| 01:23.52 | jaggz- | I had my finger on Y and someone handed me my lunch and I lifted it and depressed it slightly... going through both prompts and destroying both drives. Thankfully it was just the first mb of their boot sectors that were destroyed :/ |
| 01:23.58 | jaggz- | they're SATA, cast |
| 01:24.09 | trstag_alt | (I've got my virtual machines working under KVM on Debian/Lenny but no network for the virtualized OSes) |
| 01:24.46 | cast | uh...the first mb...oh dear |
| 01:25.12 | korhojoa | isn't that like, er. the irreplacable part |
| 01:25.30 | korhojoa | well, not irreplacable |
| 01:25.38 | korhojoa | just annoying to replace |
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| 01:26.13 | jaggz- | no, irreplacable part is the data.. first mb is partitions and stuff.. thankfully, in my messing around, I had already backed up the first 10mb of the drive earlier |
| 01:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's got people to hand him lunch! |
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| 01:26.24 | jaggz- | it has partitions, fat table, stuff like that.. (was a windows machine) |
| 01:26.29 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... why didn't you just comply |
| 01:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort jaggz- |
| 01:26.51 | dpkg | There, there, jaggz-. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:26.55 | jaggz- | Cut, it's terrible! And they refuse to understand it's better for everyone if they just set it down and let me do my important work! |
| 01:27.12 | jaggz- | I spent 3 more days recovering that system.. it wasn't as easy as replacing the first 10mb actually, now that I remember.. |
| 01:27.30 | jaggz- | I could get the data off the drives, but I had to reinstall windows and everything.. :/ |
| 01:27.48 | jaggz- | anyway.. so I don't know what to do with this raid mirror that's presently rebuilding.. gonna try to contact asus |
| 01:27.49 | jaggz- | ttyl |
| 01:28.24 | soopos | How can you solve the apparent fs-corruption after running `ls -ls` at line 1 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/161183/ ? |
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| 01:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | why should root be able to read it |
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| 01:33.52 | Arrowmaster | random question, when i right click in X (gnome) to open a menu, the menu opens on the press and the depress activates whatever is under the pointer so sometimes if my mouse moves a little between the press and depress i activate the top item accidently, does anybody know if this is intended behavior or a bug? (i know theres a key autorepeat bug with X) |
| 01:34.02 | Tramp | soopos: you have no x-permission on debian for others (but r-permission) |
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| 01:34.31 | Tramp | soopos: chmod go+x ./debian |
| 01:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that shouldn't produce this! |
| 01:35.32 | Tramp | it produces exactly this |
| 01:36.15 | arbir | how do i tell, if i am running etch or lenny ? |
| 01:36.21 | korhojoa | uname -a ? |
| 01:36.32 | korhojoa | nope |
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| 01:36.53 | korhojoa | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:36.58 | arbir | korhojoa: it does not tell me much |
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| 01:37.03 | korhojoa | that should tell you enough |
| 01:37.09 | iceroot | lsb_release -a |
| 01:37.20 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: If you don't trust me: # mkdir XX; touch XX/yy; chmod 744 XX - then $ ls -ls /root/XX -> ? ?????????? ? ? ? ? ? yy |
| 01:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, it does.... since when? Read permission should allow you to read the whole directory? |
| 01:37.29 | arbir | korhojoa: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:37.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I already did that |
| 01:37.35 | arbir | thats all i get |
| 01:37.51 | korhojoa | iceroot: cool. that seems handy |
| 01:37.51 | iceroot | arbir: lsb_release -a |
| 01:38.01 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but not the inodes of the contained files (which hold the information that is ??-ed), since you can't cd into it |
| 01:38.03 | arbir | iceroot: aright |
| 01:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, but I've never seen that type of behavior before... |
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| 01:38.30 | soopos | Tramp: chmod go+x ./debian did not solve the problem. Recursively neither. |
| 01:38.36 | arbir | -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
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| 01:38.58 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: the filename is part of the dentry (which is readable), the other information is part of the "inner inodes" which are not accessible |
| 01:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I understood you the 1st time :) |
| 01:39.31 | Tramp | I just wanted to be verbose :) |
| 01:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just wondering if other unixes had that differently |
| 01:39.49 | jellow | i can't access ">" key , how can in reasighn the key binding so Shift ạnd w will show ">"? |
| 01:40.14 | Tramp | soopos: repaste, include ./debian (with ls -ld ./debian) |
| 01:40.24 | BLOODCLAW | im using debian w/o a gui on my netbook. why when i try to shutdown/reboot it says "command not found" i dont know how to turn it off without hitting the power button! |
| 01:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, but normally you give execute permission, but deny read permission, not the other way around |
| 01:41.03 | Tramp | I never said 744 was in any way "normal" |
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| 01:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which explains why I've never seen it... |
| 01:41.54 | Tramp | yes, to allow access to "known" files but deny listing of the dir |
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| 01:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 01:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | like public_html/ |
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| 01:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it's a bad idea if you have a+w on .bashrc for some weird reason |
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| 01:44.19 | BLOODCLAW | why wont debian execute shutdown/reboot? |
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| 01:44.58 | soopos | Tramp: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/161195/ |
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| 01:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, now let me have a look into my big glass sphere... |
| 01:46.07 | Arrowmaster | soopos: chmod u+x debian |
| 01:46.49 | soopos | Thank you! |
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| 01:47.19 | Tramp | uh. didn't even have x for u |
| 01:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not trying to pretend an x is an u? |
| 01:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | BLOODCLAW, because you're not root |
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| 01:49.29 | jelly-home | or has a weird way of becoming root that doesn't set up PATH with all the sbin dirs |
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| 01:49.43 | jelly-home | *cough*sudo*cough* |
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| 01:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, can't be, my glass sphere won't lie to me! |
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| 01:51.32 | BLOODCLAW | CutMeOwnThroat: would su root -c shutdown now be the right command then? |
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| 01:55.58 | JosephM | greetings. can someone please tell me about a good replacement for xmms since it has been dropped from the packages in lenny. I need a media player that I can start more than one copy at a time, and play more than one sound at a time, over the same sound card. I could do this in etch and xmms. I did a clean install of lenny and found xmms missing. I tried audacios but it will only start one at a |
| 01:55.59 | JosephM | <---- Cut time. tia = |
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| 01:56.30 | BLOODCLAW | would "su root -c shudown now" be the correct shutdown command? |
| 01:56.39 | korhojoa | no |
| 01:56.39 | RichardH | JosephM, how about beep |
| 01:56.46 | korhojoa | try shutdown instead of shudown |
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| 01:57.04 | korhojoa | also a -h might not be excessive |
| 01:57.06 | RichardH | JosephM, or Audacious |
| 01:57.10 | soopos | How can you stop "svn-autoreleasedeb" running? |
| 01:57.30 | korhojoa | you shut down your machine before it has the time to start |
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| 01:57.55 | RichardH | JosephM, I didn't read your original question comletely. Don't know if either of those two would do what you want. |
| 01:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | korhojoa, you might even go as far as -hf now |
| 01:58.19 | korhojoa | gl;hf ? |
| 01:58.49 | JosephM | can you start more than one copy at a time of beep? |
| 01:58.59 | JosephM | you cant in Audacious |
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| 02:03.27 | JosephM | if you cant tell me that, can you point me to a way to install xmms from the etch packages in lenny? |
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| 02:05.46 | arbir | how do i search for a package using apt ? |
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| 02:08.29 | zerohero | arbir: apt-cache search <package> |
| 02:08.41 | arbir | zerohero: super.. thanks.. let me try that |
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| 02:09.33 | lotus-blade | is there any way to use a shared printer on windows 7 with debian? |
| 02:10.16 | lotus-blade | samba is installed, but I see all of the shared files, but not the printer |
| 02:10.48 | Justin | use cups |
| 02:11.05 | Justin | samba is a windows file/print server, not a client |
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| 02:14.16 | RichardH | JosephM, sorry about that. I'm on 4 different channels. I'm looking but can't see where you can get xmms for lenny. Apparently, there's a missing dependency |
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| 02:15.01 | dob1 | hi, how can i know which packages depends on another package? |
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| 02:15.10 | dob1 | (installed on my system) |
| 02:16.04 | JosephM | nods at RichardH..... I have tried several times following different pages |
| 02:16.16 | arbir | is there no support for sqlite3 pdo ? |
| 02:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | in which direction? |
| 02:16.19 | dvinchi | jose@bps:~$ sudo apt-cache show g++ |
| 02:16.20 | dvinchi | Package: g++ |
| 02:16.20 | dvinchi | Priority: optional |
| 02:16.20 | dvinchi | Section: devel |
| 02:16.21 | dvinchi | Installed-Size: 40 |
| 02:16.21 | dvinchi | Maintainer: Debian GCC Maintainers <debian-gcc@lists.debian.org> |
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| 02:16.23 | arbir | in lenny i mean |
| 02:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 02:16.29 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 02:16.40 | dvinchi | MD5sum: b9286990012bcd60b2c697ae2a5d2241 |
| 02:16.42 | dvinchi | SHA1: f275b15a270c933d4185cc9f891d8951ef22a43d |
| 02:16.44 | dvinchi | SHA256: c991188bbb7a9b77ced97472a5ef03340419c001bd1537cc40b05cc326ca9959 |
| 02:16.45 | Arrowmaster | JosephM: theres an xmms2 in lenny, have you tried it? |
| 02:16.48 | dvinchi | Description-es: El compilador de C++ de GNU |
| 02:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvinchi, STOP |
| 02:16.50 | dvinchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.53 | dvinchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.54 | dvinchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.56 | dvinchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.58 | dvinchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.00 | dvinchi | Build-Essential: yes |
| 02:17.02 | dvinchi | Tag: devel::compiler, devel::lang:c++, implemented-in::c, interface::commandline, role::dummy, role::metapackage, special::meta, suite::gnu, works-with::software:source |
| 02:17.05 | dvinchi | dob1, usa sudo apt-cache show g++ |
| 02:17.10 | jelly-home | nice flood evasion |
| 02:17.11 | dvinchi | dob1, usa sudo apt-cache show <Package> |
| 02:17.32 | jelly-home | !+tell dvinchi -about paste |
| 02:17.32 | dpkg | told dvinchi about paste. |
| 02:17.35 | jelly-home | !+tell dvinchi -about pastebin |
| 02:17.35 | dpkg | told dvinchi about pastebin. |
| 02:17.36 | JosephM | Arrowmaster it is a server, need a client... Can you suggest one that will run multiple times |
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| 02:19.28 | JosephM | I guess I am going to be stuck dumping Lenny and going back to Etch, or even Sarge |
| 02:20.02 | arbir | when , i need to enable a module in lighttpd, i just make a link in conf-enabled ? |
| 02:20.07 | JosephM | oh well.... so much for progress |
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| 02:20.41 | jelly-home | JosephM: incredibly, whining doesn't increase chances of someone spontaneously choosing to help |
| 02:21.07 | tensorpudding | what is it you need that isn't available in lenny? |
| 02:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dob1, apt-cache show <package> or dpkg -s <package> show which other packages <package> depends on, apt-rdepends and apt-rdepends -r do both directions |
| 02:21.20 | JosephM | whining? sorry did not realize I was whining. |
| 02:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | respectively |
| 02:21.27 | JosephM | tensorpudding xmms |
| 02:21.39 | dvinchi | dob1, usa sudo apt-cache show <Package> |
| 02:22.11 | dob1 | thanks guys |
| 02:22.14 | tensorpudding | is xmms not in apt? |
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| 02:22.32 | JosephM | it was dropped from the package list in Lenny |
| 02:22.34 | jelly-home | tensorpudding: no gtk1 apps any more in debian |
| 02:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | tensorpudding, was dropped because it's not maintained by upstream anymore |
| 02:22.45 | tensorpudding | oh, the original |
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| 02:23.00 | korhojoa | !next |
| 02:23.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 02:23.02 | tensorpudding | so is gtk1 not in debian anymore? |
| 02:23.13 | jelly-home | right |
| 02:23.16 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 02:23.26 | JosephM | tensorpudding if you know of a replacement that will run multiple copies at once, I am open for suggestions |
| 02:23.28 | tensorpudding | i hadn't noticed |
| 02:23.40 | tensorpudding | JosephM: audacious? |
| 02:23.51 | JosephM | it will run only one at a time |
| 02:23.54 | tensorpudding | what do you mean multiple copies at once? |
| 02:24.06 | jelly-home | multiple instances |
| 02:24.10 | JosephM | have two copies of the program running at once |
| 02:24.12 | jelly-home | at the same time |
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| 02:24.24 | JosephM | right, what jelly-home said |
| 02:24.24 | tensorpudding | why does that work for xmms but not for xmms2, or for audacious? |
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| 02:24.51 | JosephM | xmms2 is a daemon, not a client |
| 02:25.00 | JosephM | it has not gui interface |
| 02:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are clients for it, though |
| 02:25.20 | tensorpudding | i haven't used xmms in years |
| 02:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure if you could start several servers, though |
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| 02:25.35 | JosephM | according to caotic in #xmms2 you cannot |
| 02:26.12 | tensorpudding | what is it a client to? |
| 02:27.31 | JosephM | I dont understand tensorpudding |
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| 02:28.19 | tensorpudding | maybe you could run xmms2 and audacious at the same time? |
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| 02:29.02 | simonrvn | you can run several clients at once but not servers (xmms2d) |
| 02:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try rhythmbox? ... there's lot of players around - I'm sure some allow multiple instances |
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| 02:29.41 | JosephM | CutMeOwnThroat I will give that a try |
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| 02:29.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, perhaps I should try qmmp myself, that looks interesting |
| 02:29.57 | tensorpudding | rhythmbox is vaguely bigger |
| 02:30.05 | tensorpudding | maybe try quodlibet also |
| 02:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, that's in testing only |
| 02:30.45 | iceroot | is debian lenny infected with the spamassain bug matching everything with YEAR 20XX as spam? or is it fixed in lenny? |
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| 02:31.29 | simonrvn | dunno, but a quick recursive grep in /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin didn't turn up anything. |
| 02:31.31 | jelly-home | iceroot: if you use sa-update, you should be getting fixed rules by now |
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| 02:31.41 | simonrvn | does |
| 02:32.02 | iceroot | jelly-home: i used it (without output) |
| 02:32.04 | jelly-home | simonrvn: /usr/share/spamassassin/72_active.cf |
| 02:32.18 | simonrvn | ah, thanks |
| 02:32.27 | JosephM | is there a package list that I can look at that specifically lets you search for mp3 / oog file players? |
| 02:32.51 | simonrvn | !search |
| 02:32.51 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 02:32.54 | jelly-home | or the updates at /var/lib/spamassassin/*/updates_spamassassin_org/72_active.cf |
| 02:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well "apt-cache search mp3 player" is the simplest |
| 02:33.06 | simonrvn | JosephM: the one you already have you mean? |
| 02:33.10 | JosephM | cool |
| 02:33.13 | tensorpudding | the debian package list has categories you can check |
| 02:33.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm sure simonrvn will produce a line using tags :-P |
| 02:33.25 | jelly-home | iceroot: I mean, do you have it enabled normally? Does your setup use those rules? |
| 02:33.32 | tensorpudding | http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 02:34.03 | iceroot | jelly-home: i just installed it and using it with postfix/clamav so i am sorry but dont know. is there a way to list active rules? |
| 02:34.07 | JosephM | ok, I am going to study this session log and see what kinda trouble I can get into |
| 02:34.12 | JosephM | thanks everyone |
| 02:34.36 | JosephM | you have pointed me in several directions that all look interesting |
| 02:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: How often do you run sa-update? |
| 02:35.05 | jelly-home | iceroot: I'm not very good with it either. Check that 72_active.cf file and your content filter documentation |
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| 02:35.25 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i will? |
| 02:35.29 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: once a day, says cron |
| 02:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I'm sure of it |
| 02:35.51 | iceroot | jelly-home: i will. just tried sa-learn --dump at get errors, so maybe i should read about sa in the next days :) to understand how it is working |
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| 02:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | JosephM, ah, "potamus" can do it |
| 02:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a *lot* simpler than xmms, though |
| 02:38.47 | jelly-home | hippo? |
| 02:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there must be others |
| 02:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hip hip ho ray |
| 02:39.19 | jelly-home | vlc can have multiple instances |
| 02:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already thought of gmplayer |
| 02:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm never using it... |
| 02:39.53 | jelly-home | gross |
| 02:40.07 | tensorpudding | mplayer is nice |
| 02:40.23 | jelly-home | vlc at least has playlists and some semblance of a useful GUI |
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| 02:40.38 | d3x | mplayer for music? naah |
| 02:40.49 | JosephM | CutMeOwnThroat can I msg you? |
| 02:40.56 | tensorpudding | well, not for music |
| 02:41.09 | tensorpudding | you would probably want a library-based thing for that |
| 02:41.48 | d3x | uses amarok and MOCP |
| 02:41.54 | d3x | independently of course |
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| 02:42.14 | tensorpudding | i use mpd |
| 02:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | JosephM, keep it here, please - or there's #debian-offtopic if you think this is more going to chit-chat :) |
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| 02:43.42 | JosephM | ok.... I am surfing web now looking at some of the suggestions |
| 02:43.52 | JosephM | if I need more I will go to offtopic |
| 02:43.53 | JosephM | thanks |
| 02:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | JosephM, of course, if mixing is your concern and all the good players assume they own the world and can't be started twice... you could use two different ones |
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| 02:45.55 | JosephM | well that is what I liked about xmms you coud start it twice, and play different sound files at the same time on the same sound card |
| 02:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | being able to playback several sources doesn't as such depend on the player |
| 02:46.44 | JosephM | having the same player cuts down on other issues and keeps it simple stupid.... :) know what I mean |
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| 02:46.48 | enyawix | Any one from Africa? I am working on a African distro with support for twi. Will you help me? |
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| 02:46.55 | tensorpudding | twi? |
| 02:47.11 | tensorpudding | oh, a language |
| 02:47.23 | enyawix | twi is spoken in ghana |
| 02:48.37 | enyawix | tensorpudding: Where are you from? will you help me? I am not a great programer but I will improve as the project goes on |
| 02:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | JosephM, ah, rhythmbox looks like that should work |
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| 02:49.57 | enyawix | Thanks i will try LinuxQuestions |
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| 02:52.50 | liable | debian has an international team, try there mailing list. |
| 02:52.56 | liable | their* |
| 02:53.08 | liable | il8on or something. i never remember |
| 02:53.37 | stew | http://lists.debian.org/i18n.html |
| 02:53.46 | liable | thats it :) |
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| 02:54.58 | markinfo | what means this: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xpdf.html "xpdf REMOVED from testing" is it forever or just for some time |
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| 02:56.20 | stew | markinfo: if we were removing it forever, we'd remove it from unstable as well. the removal message should list some bug number which would say why it was removed |
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| 03:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, but it's hanging in the air |
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| 03:00.43 | markinfo | stew, is this a "removal message"? http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xpdf/news/20091123T163924Z.html if I understand it, it is due to some grave bugs. |
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| 03:02.06 | jmarsden | xpdf needs a maintainer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535261 |
| 03:02.11 | stew | markinfo: from a brief glance it looks like its been removed from testing as it is not releasable nor supportable in a stable release in its current state, but we're not giving up on it completely |
| 03:02.30 | stew | markinfo: (and if something isn't in a releasable state, it doesn't belong in testing) |
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| 03:12.30 | corpcomp | I have removed the launcher menu (applications|Places etc). How can I recover it? |
| 03:13.02 | babilen | corpcomp: right click on panel -> add to panel IIRC |
| 03:13.50 | JosephM | Thanks again all |
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| 03:17.46 | corpcomp | babilen: Not surte I was entirely clear with my question. I accidentally removed the entire menu from the panel. |
| 03:19.39 | babilen | yes just add it... it should be in the list of things you can add to the panel |
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| 03:21.53 | corpcomp | babilen: TY, found it. |
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| 03:50.23 | roe_ | gah, debian kicked gallery2 out of lenny? |
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| 03:52.05 | Canderson7 | my /etc/network/interfaces doesn't mention eth0 (but the interface works fine). any idea how it is configured? |
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| 03:53.04 | xD4RIOx | Hi all, and happy 2010 |
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| 03:55.50 | xD4RIOx | nice day... holyday, vacation, and clear night here, but I opened my VirtualBox (first time after upgrading to testing) and found it... cannot start my VMs! |
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| 03:56.43 | tensorpudding | xD4RIOx: did you check to make sure the kernel module for virtualbox loaded? |
| 03:56.47 | xD4RIOx | so, I installed virtualbox-ose-dkms, and... modprobe vboxdrv |
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| 03:57.01 | tensorpudding | and is the user in the vboxusers group? |
| 03:57.32 | xD4RIOx | before upgrading... yeah, let me see |
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| 04:00.22 | xD4RIOx | damn!! where is my vboxusers group? |
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| 04:01.03 | piscue | maybe, you have to create it? |
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| 04:01.34 | piscue | addgroup vboxusers && adduser USERNAME vboxusers |
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| 04:01.58 | xD4RIOx | hehe, may be, but before upgrading my system I used virtual machines to play with FreeBSD and Win95 |
| 04:02.13 | xD4RIOx | so the group is... lost |
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| 04:02.46 | xD4RIOx | jeje, no matter, will try again |
| 04:02.50 | tensorpudding | you can add the group again, and put yourself in it |
| 04:02.57 | tensorpudding | it won't hurt your vm's |
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| 04:04.14 | xD4RIOx | I know |
| 04:04.18 | xD4RIOx | i did it |
| 04:04.38 | xD4RIOx | but, before trying... there is another question |
| 04:04.52 | xD4RIOx | sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 04:05.06 | xD4RIOx | it just say... |
| 04:05.25 | xD4RIOx | Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. |
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| 04:05.36 | xD4RIOx | but I've my headers package installed |
| 04:06.00 | xD4RIOx | (remember... i'm using testing) |
| 04:06.19 | jarray52 | Inserting a USB flash drive freezes my Ubuntu 9.10 OS. A USB mouse or keyboard works fine. Here's a pastebin of my kern.log file. http://pastebin.com/d21a320fd Any suggestions? |
| 04:07.01 | xD4RIOx | yes... ask it in the ubuntu channel |
| 04:07.03 | Tramp | sure. ask #ubuntu |
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| 04:08.16 | konr | Guys, if I'm using mplayer in one terminal, I cannot use another sound program in another, or I get "Can't open /dev/dsp". How can I make my system able to play two things at the same time? |
| 04:08.16 | jarray52 | xD4RIOx and Tramp: Thanks |
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| 04:10.20 | arbir | hello... |
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| 04:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | konr, "aoss mplayer ..." |
| 04:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | aoss other_program ... |
| 04:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably |
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| 04:12.24 | xD4RIOx | ¬¬ this wont compile my modules |
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| 04:12.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | konr, also, /msg dpkg dmix |
| 04:12.44 | arbir | I am sorry, i dont want to sound rude, but i have been trying to study, the fundamental differences between deploying a debian(stable) and a ubuntu server. apart from the version numbers for packages which is more conservative in Debian ( very understandbly), can anybody throw some light upon this subject ? |
| 04:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws light on arbir |
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| 04:13.24 | Canderson7 | "ifconfig wlan0 up" produces "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory." any idea what could be missing? |
| 04:13.32 | arbir | CutMeOwnThroat: not on me :-). on that subject hahaha |
| 04:14.15 | CalJohn | arbir: ubuntu's release cycle and QA system are the significant differences AFAIK, wikipedia them |
| 04:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this double-jeopardy? |
| 04:14.37 | FIReun | here goes... been trying to get an old box running again, and after trying several live cd variants I'm back to a debian netinstall (which I think is how I did it last time anyhow) -- however, I have no cd or floppy drive to get things going this time, so I'm trying to dump everything needed on a partition and boot it directly. I've been using grub with the most success, but I'm not sure what the debian install scripts will do if I just point grub at v |
| 04:15.06 | arbir | CalJohn: i have been googling, and i have not found a single informative link. do you have a link, that you can share ? |
| 04:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the question is, "what is the difference between ubuntu and Debian"? |
| 04:15.30 | FIReun | pcmcia net cards, although I've tried to toss all the debs and drivers necessary to get a wifi card up and running via wpasupplicant and ndiswrapper |
| 04:15.39 | Tramp | !why debian |
| 04:15.39 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 04:15.41 | arbir | CutMeOwnThroat: no, that is not the point at all. |
| 04:15.58 | xD4RIOx | haha |
| 04:16.09 | arbir | CutMeOwnThroat: i am being specific to the server edition of ubuntu. |
| 04:16.15 | FIReun | is there a #debian-evangalism channel that the poor sod can be converted in? |
| 04:16.18 | xD4RIOx | just test Ubuntu, test Debian, and tell me your opinion |
| 04:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | arbir, well, so s/ubuntu/ubuntu server/ |
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| 04:17.08 | FIReun | is just trying to get a netinstall iso burned to a HD partition and needs to know if grub will be ok |
| 04:17.13 | arbir | xD4RIOx: i have tried both... but unfortunately, i am not that smart to understand the differences in such a short span. |
| 04:17.39 | arbir | CutMeOwnThroat: i have been reading on the website about the specialized compiles on the ubuntu-server kernel. |
| 04:18.04 | arbir | CutMeOwnThroat: so, i was just curious to ask around. maybe somebody smarter will have a good explanation, andi can learn from him/her |
| 04:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | arbir, I think you should ask #ubuntu-server about that... after all that's based on debian, not the other way around |
| 04:18.40 | arbir | CutMeOwnThroat: i have been trying, in that channel.. and nobody is responding :-). |
| 04:18.47 | FIReun | there's your answer then |
| 04:18.51 | xD4RIOx | anyway, the first difference is: Ubuntu has different thinking |
| 04:18.51 | FIReun | d-: |
| 04:19.37 | FIReun | so, no boot menu experts lurking about? |
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| 04:19.43 | CalJohn | arbir: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/ubuntu/release-cycle this is the relevant document for ubuntu, i can't find one for debian, i'm sure there is one |
| 04:20.05 | arbir | CalJohn: let me see that.. thanks for your effort though! |
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| 04:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | arbir, roughly for both ubuntu and ubuntu server, I guess, what CalJohn said... their webpages are probably the best source... after all they base it on debian, so they should say where they go from there |
| 04:21.52 | xD4RIOx | But there is an ubuntu feedback to debian... |
| 04:22.12 | xD4RIOx | bugs |
| 04:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | FIReun, "/msg dpkg usb install" shows you to a chapter in the install guide that should be relevant there, to |
| 04:23.20 | FIReun | I'm sure thats all syslinux |
| 04:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | FIReun, it wasn't so great though, when I really tried to install on a stick :-/ Now I regret not having written my own docu |
| 04:23.28 | FIReun | which is not what I need to us |
| 04:23.30 | FIReun | use |
| 04:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 04:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, actually not "all" |
| 04:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's several variants |
| 04:24.04 | FIReun | CutMeOwnThroat: the trick I saw with grml was that you could dd the iso to the drive (not the partition) and it would work great |
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| 04:24.12 | FIReun | but again, not the approach I'd like to try |
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| 04:25.31 | FIReun | my approach is to grub-install the drive, and make a menu.lst that points to the relevant vmlinuz and initrd -- but thats assuming everything proceeds as it should from there -- and I'm just trying to sanity check that it will (: |
| 04:25.49 | FIReun | otherwise, without a second opinion, I'll just do what I've been doing, and try it out |
| 04:26.13 | FIReun | I could make a bootable usb stick with a handful of distros in my sleep at this point [: |
| 04:26.21 | FIReun | unfortunatly, the target machine has no usb |
| 04:26.25 | FIReun | (its old) |
| 04:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I think you can sometimes *still* run into a limit on how far the vmlinuz and initrd can be located into the disk |
| 04:27.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you have a partition at the very end... |
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| 04:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, this reminds me a bit of |
| 04:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:27.52 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 04:28.33 | FIReun | yeah no, I put the boot partition right at the beginning |
| 04:28.39 | simonrvn | dpkg: hi |
| 04:28.39 | dpkg | hola |
| 04:28.56 | FIReun | yeah, its not that bad, I just pull the drive and mount it usb |
| 04:29.00 | simonrvn | dpkg: are you sure you want to do a rube goldberg install? |
| 04:29.02 | dpkg | simonrvn: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:29.10 | FIReun | basically, instead of a cdrom, its a partition on the drive |
| 04:29.25 | dvs | heh |
| 04:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub should be fine |
| 04:29.33 | FIReun | nods |
| 04:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also plug the disk in another computer, install, then transplant |
| 04:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... if you have one |
| 04:30.38 | Tramp | FIReun: If you want to put a .iso on the HD and install stuff from it, you need the hd-media installer, iirc |
| 04:31.19 | paissad-hp | does dpkg --build not support links into directories during the build ? .... actually, i did not see any of my linked files from /opt/bin to /usr/bin ..... even if they are present in the building directory |
| 04:31.44 | paissad-hp | dpkg-deb --build , sorry |
| 04:31.57 | arbir | CalJohn: i keep reading, that Ubuntu Locks the version, while debian does not... what exactly does this mean ? |
| 04:32.11 | spuddweb | so I've never read dvds before on my box. But I installed libdvdcss2 1.2.10 from debian-multimedia. Whenever I try to read the dvd my console freezes at: "libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.10 for DVD access", it never goes any further. Any ideas? |
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| 04:32.49 | Tramp | spuddweb: your DVD has some weird copy-protection which confuses the drive, the software or both |
| 04:32.50 | spuddweb | there are no errors at all |
| 04:33.12 | spuddweb | it just freezes and I can't even kill the process with kill -9 |
| 04:33.30 | spuddweb | and theres no disk or CPU usage |
| 04:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you can't kill it with -9, it's waiting for the drive |
| 04:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | processes that are waiting for hardware can't be killed... until they stop waiting |
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| 04:34.58 | spuddweb | hmmm. So does that mean I need to start hunting for info on the specific drive and if there might be firmware upgrades |
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| 04:36.00 | spuddweb | wait, but before I installed libdvdcss, I was able to see tracks on the disk |
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| 04:37.05 | FIReun | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, thats what I'm doing |
| 04:37.12 | Tramp | spuddweb: no idea. Check for ARccOS and friends to understand, what I'm talking about. I stopped buying/ripping DVDs when it became too much hassle and did other things. |
| 04:37.23 | FIReun | Tramp: thats not at all what I'm doing or suggested doing (: |
| 04:37.30 | FIReun | but thanks anyway |
| 04:38.05 | Tramp | oh, then I misunderstood. |
| 04:40.25 | CalJohn | arbir: i don't know what you mean, sorry |
| 04:40.37 | arbir | CalJohn: :-). thats fine. thanks |
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| 04:50.57 | lotus-blade | my network under places ha just disappeared |
| 04:51.05 | lotus-blade | any ideas how to fix? |
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| 04:53.45 | greenmang0 | !ntpdate |
| 04:53.46 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just install the ntp package, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. Ask me about <ntp>. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
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| 04:55.45 | babilen | !tell greenmang0 -about selftell |
| 04:56.42 | FIReun | sure would be handy to have a app that could put a custom debian iso together with only the packages (and their deps) that you select |
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| 04:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really... |
| 04:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | the netinstall image is rather small and from that, you download only the additional packages you need... |
| 04:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | *and* they're up-to-date after you install |
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| 05:00.54 | greenmang0 | babilen: that's cool.. :) |
| 05:01.30 | FIReun | CutMeOwnThroat: well i *think* I met all the package prerequisites for what I want, I figure I'll have to pull the drive and add a few more that I forgot... |
| 05:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:02.12 | babilen | FIReun: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:05.45 | FIReun | the impossible it seems like [: |
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| 05:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? You're trying to understand women? |
| 05:07.47 | FIReun | Oh, I'm ok with my progress there |
| 05:07.57 | FIReun | this is far more challenging [: |
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| 05:09.47 | nukha | how do i execute google chrome? |
| 05:10.03 | babilen | with my axe! |
| 05:10.06 | nukha | what is the command? |
| 05:10.37 | xk | google-chrome |
| 05:10.48 | nukha | nope |
| 05:10.51 | FIReun | damn, still having irq storms |
| 05:11.04 | FIReun | that does not bode well for this install. ): |
| 05:11.06 | xk | [13:10:54] [~] > ls -la /usr/bin/google-chrome |
| 05:11.06 | xk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Dec 12 21:38 /usr/bin/google-chrome -> /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome |
| 05:11.12 | nukha | bash: google-chrome: command not found |
| 05:11.28 | xk | did you install the deb package? or installed it from tarball? |
| 05:11.37 | nukha | from deb |
| 05:11.44 | xk | check /usr/bin/google-chrome |
| 05:12.58 | FIReun | and the netinstall iso is not set up to work from anything but a cdrom |
| 05:13.00 | FIReun | gah. |
| 05:13.01 | nukha | not there, but i did apptitude installed it |
| 05:13.19 | babilen | FIReun: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:13.43 | babilen | nukha: dpkg -L name_of_the_package |
| 05:14.45 | xk | dpkg --search google-chrome |
| 05:14.45 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, xk |
| 05:15.06 | nukha | nukha@sonet:~$ dpkg --search google-chrome |
| 05:15.06 | nukha | dpkg: *google-chrome* not found. |
| 05:15.06 | dpkg | nukha: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 05:15.12 | xk | hmm |
| 05:15.20 | xk | . dpkg --list | grep -i chrome |
| 05:15.40 | nukha | nothing |
| 05:15.48 | FIReun | babilen: install an old system that has IRQ and IDE issues not allowed by newer distros, oh, without a cdrom or floppydrive (I pull the drive and mount it locally) |
| 05:15.56 | xk | . dpkg --list | grep -i google |
| 05:16.04 | xk | if that shows nothing, you didn't install google chrome. |
| 05:16.36 | babilen | !tell FIReun -about debootstrap |
| 05:16.43 | nukha | i am using an older dpkg --list | grep -i google |
| 05:16.43 | nukha | ii googleearth 4.2.198.2451+0.4.3-1 Googl |
| 05:16.43 | nukha | e Earth, a 3D map/planet viewer |
| 05:16.43 | nukha | ii googleearth-package 0.4.3 utili |
| 05:16.44 | nukha | ty to automatically build a Debian pack |
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| 05:16.48 | xk | hah |
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| 05:17.46 | nukha | i did |
| 05:17.52 | nukha | damnit |
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| 05:19.53 | FIReun | babilen: that looks helpful, thanks |
| 05:19.59 | nukha | is this the one google-chrome-beta_current_i386.deb? |
| 05:20.16 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to help out with some wierdness in alsa on lenny? I have skype working, but I can not play music through vlc |
| 05:20.17 | FIReun | still doesnt address the irq storm problem I'm having |
| 05:21.17 | xk | nukha: hmm... should be. |
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| 06:00.14 | FIReun | crap, I just debootstrap'd lenny, but I didnt specify ARCH, how can I tell what I got? |
| 06:02.46 | zomGreg | maybe try uname -a |
| 06:03.32 | FIReun | that gives the host |
| 06:03.44 | zomGreg | didn't have something like i686 in there? |
| 06:03.45 | tensorpudding | pretty sure if you can chroot into it, it'll be fine |
| 06:04.03 | FIReun | which is not what I wanted, but going on what comes back from chroot'd "apt-cache search linux-image" I'm guessing I got the wrong thing |
| 06:04.29 | FIReun | host is amd64, target is i386 |
| 06:04.57 | tensorpudding | oh, so you want to build a debootstrap for an arch that isn't the one of your host |
| 06:05.02 | FIReun | bingo |
| 06:05.35 | tensorpudding | uname -a should give the arch |
| 06:05.41 | FIReun | and I'm still concerned that any 2.6 kernel is gonna have problems |
| 06:05.43 | tensorpudding | it's near the end |
| 06:06.00 | tensorpudding | after the date, before the GNU/Linux |
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| 06:06.12 | FIReun | yeah, it was the same as the host, because I hadnt specified |
| 06:06.17 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 06:06.26 | tensorpudding | guess you have to do it over again |
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| 06:07.44 | FIReun | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:07.47 | FIReun | mentions --arch |
| 06:07.57 | FIReun | and this one does not |
| 06:07.58 | FIReun | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 06:08.10 | FIReun | the latter also doesnt mention setting up locale |
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| 06:09.47 | babilen | FIReun: stick to the offical documentation/manpages ;-) |
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| 06:10.18 | zomGreg | debootstrap accepts an --arch=ARCH argument |
| 06:10.25 | FIReun | babilen: tell dpkg that! (: |
| 06:11.10 | FIReun | babilen: neither of its links are correct in that |
| 06:11.34 | babilen | omitting information != wrong |
| 06:11.48 | FIReun | hmm |
| 06:11.51 | babilen | but you are right .. i might fix that factoid |
| 06:12.31 | FIReun | zomGreg: as I found out |
| 06:12.56 | FIReun | searching for a fix to apt-get's complaining about locale not being set |
| 06:13.03 | zomGreg | sorry dude! |
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| 06:13.09 | FIReun | zomGreg: no worries |
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| 06:15.27 | babilen | FIReun: use aptitude and dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:17.28 | FIReun | babilen: I'm following the official faq (: |
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| 06:20.20 | babilen | FIReun: Could you file a bug against the documentation then please (it should use aptitude consistently) |
| 06:20.54 | FIReun | but I never use aptitude d-: |
| 06:21.18 | babilen | you should |
| 06:21.36 | FIReun | also - it does -- in "D.3.4.6. Configure Locales and Keyboard" |
| 06:21.52 | FIReun | as found in -- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:22.06 | FIReun | the *complete* guide to debootstrapping |
| 06:22.39 | babilen | i only see aptitude in there |
| 06:22.39 | FIReun | why should I type aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 06:23.06 | babilen | it is the default package manager in lenny |
| 06:23.10 | babilen | !why aptitude |
| 06:23.10 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 06:23.37 | FIReun | well i sure wish it were easier to type |
| 06:23.58 | FIReun | back in the day I used "feta" because it was easier |
| 06:24.15 | FIReun | but it was never consistantly installed, so that fell by the wayside |
| 06:24.48 | FIReun | its like typing "directory" when all you need is "ls" |
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| 06:25.09 | babilen | alias ai='aptitude install' |
| 06:25.10 | FIReun | knows he can make a ln to solve his problem |
| 06:25.20 | FIReun | sure sure |
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| 06:25.41 | tensorpudding | aliases are probably much better than linking binaries |
| 06:26.02 | FIReun | tensorpudding: but aliases have shell related implications |
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| 06:26.27 | babilen | FIReun: yes - they are *your* aliases ... |
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| 06:27.12 | FIReun | considers the matter a draw |
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| 06:28.11 | aidan | I just want to use the "java" command in terminal, it seems harder than it needs to be. From http://wiki.debian.org/Java I see "apt-get install default-jre" ... is that headless or not? Should I pick one over the other? |
| 06:28.52 | babilen | headless? |
| 06:29.11 | tuv | aidan: headliess -> no gui -> no swing or awt |
| 06:29.44 | valdyn | aidan: theres a default-jre-headless too |
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| 06:31.04 | FIReun | java, bahumbug |
| 06:31.13 | FIReun | mumbles lua/python |
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| 06:35.15 | aidan | can lua run saxon? |
| 06:35.49 | arghh2d2 | General question...i'm out of blank cd's and have only blank dvd's...is it possible to burn a cd iso on a blank dvd? |
| 06:36.07 | DogBoy | heh |
| 06:36.52 | xk | arghh2d2: hmmm... good question. |
| 06:36.54 | xk | arghh2d2: never tried it before. |
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| 06:37.06 | babilen | arghh2d2: yes .. but you might want to consider other options |
| 06:37.15 | babilen | or just waste that blank |
| 06:37.38 | xk | arghh2d2: are you going to boot from it? |
| 06:37.51 | arghh2d2 | xk: yeah |
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| 06:38.03 | babilen | arghh2d2: installation? |
| 06:38.03 | FIReun | aidan: saxon is a java class library, of course it cant |
| 06:38.16 | xk | what about booting from usb flash? |
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| 06:38.29 | dhs_ | hi all |
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| 06:39.05 | arghh2d2 | i could run the debian netinstall from usb if...Does anybody know if debian netinstall has ndiswrapper? |
| 06:39.19 | tuv | arghh2d2: yes.. though not all burning tools allow it |
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| 06:39.25 | arghh2d2 | babilen: yeah installation |
| 06:39.49 | arghh2d2 | tuv: which ones definitely allow it? |
| 06:39.49 | dhs_ | currently my "iptables -L" shows http://pastebin.com/m4cadd66b on my server (Lenny), is this rule preventing me to access net on client PCs??? |
| 06:39.50 | babilen | arghh2d2: you don't have wired network access? |
| 06:40.02 | arghh2d2 | babilen: correct |
| 06:40.24 | babilen | arghh2d2: just burn DVD1 then ... or try the usb install with the CD1 iso |
| 06:40.48 | babilen | arghh2d2: are you running windows right now? |
| 06:42.02 | arghh2d2 | babilen: no, pclinuxos (which sucks balls imo) |
| 06:42.24 | arghh2d2 | i hate this distro |
| 06:42.29 | babilen | arghh2d2: do you have a running grub? |
| 06:42.43 | arghh2d2 | babilen: yeah |
| 06:42.50 | babilen | ok, give me a second |
| 06:43.11 | babilen | which architecture? |
| 06:44.01 | arghh2d2 | babilen: i386 |
| 06:44.45 | craigevil | !kmuto |
| 06:44.45 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 06:44.45 | babilen | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 06:45.05 | babilen | craigevil: he does not need the kmuto kernel |
| 06:45.17 | babilen | arghh2d2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 06:46.15 | arghh2d2 | babilen: ok, i'm checkin it out |
| 06:47.06 | babilen | arghh2d2: I have not performed that method yet (I usually to a netboot) but it could work as well. Or just burn that DVD ;-) |
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| 06:48.23 | FIReun | "W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead." |
| 06:48.33 | FIReun | why did they make it longer to type! |
| 06:48.34 | babilen | FIReun: yes |
| 06:48.43 | FIReun | sheesh guys [: |
| 06:49.00 | babilen | arghh2d2: or: debootstrap the installation... ask FIReun for details ;-) |
| 06:49.21 | babilen | FIReun: sa<TAB> |
| 06:49.34 | FIReun | arghh2d2: I have no idea what you're doing but, "debootstrap is GREAT!" |
| 06:49.38 | babilen | vs upg<TAB> |
| 06:49.53 | babilen | !tell arghh2d2 -about debootstrap |
| 06:50.27 | babilen | arghh2d2: good luck! |
| 06:50.38 | FIReun | oh no, not those links... |
| 06:50.49 | babilen | hehe |
| 06:50.49 | FIReun | arghh2d2: use this one for the meat - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:51.01 | FIReun | those two are just the fluf |
| 06:51.02 | babilen | FIReun: thanks |
| 06:51.05 | FIReun | (: |
| 06:51.37 | FIReun | babilen: now can you tell me what the "clean" fix is to my IRQ storm on this pentium's cardbus IRQ? |
| 06:51.43 | FIReun | er, IRQ #11 |
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| 06:52.04 | FIReun | I hate that it disables it, and I've seen enough list chat about it to know its been an on/off again problem |
| 06:52.29 | babilen | i've seen that before but can't recall the fix |
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| 06:52.39 | FIReun | seems to have come about in the 2.6 tree, the supposed work around is to boot with irqpoll, but that doesnt really fit the bill IMO |
| 06:52.52 | FIReun | and when I tried it yesterday with another distro, it did nothing |
| 06:53.07 | FIReun | it drove me to try rolling my own kernel! crazy I know [: |
| 06:54.18 | babilen | not that crazy ... |
| 06:54.32 | FIReun | well it didnt work d-: |
| 06:55.06 | ganymede | i'm trying to install debian onto /dev/sdb1 using debootstrap on my desktop, then i will transfer the disk over to a new computer in which it will be the primary master IDE device. i'm having trouble with grub 0.97 though. i typed in "grub" as root and then at the grub menu, "root (hd0,0)" then "setup (hd1)" then "quit" but when i put the hard drive into the new computer as primary master IDE, it just prints GRUB in an infinite loop like this: |
| 06:55.06 | ganymede | "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB" and does this forever |
| 06:55.17 | FIReun | does aptitude install all the recommends packages like the default apt-get setup does? |
| 06:55.43 | babilen | ganymede: use UUIDs for a start |
| 06:56.02 | FIReun | ganymede: I've been using grub-install (see help) to put grub on a disk |
| 06:56.34 | ganymede | babilen, the /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab on the new linux system uses the UUID of the partition |
| 06:56.38 | babilen | ganymede: and use grub-install |
| 06:57.09 | FIReun | does lenny use the unified sata/pata naming for drives? |
| 06:57.23 | FIReun | sdaX or hdaX |
| 06:57.33 | babilen | yes |
| 06:57.50 | FIReun | I hope it finds my drive |
| 06:57.52 | ganymede | babilen, i had used grub-install previously with the command grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/NEW-SYSTEM /dev/sdb1 while it was plugged in and mounted in my desktop. then when i transferred the hard drive over, i got GRUB Error 17 |
| 06:58.14 | FIReun | ganymede: not /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:58.21 | FIReun | ganymede: drop the partition number |
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| 06:58.54 | ganymede | FIReun, okay, i will try grub-install again without partition number. do i have to somehow undo what i've done so far to the disk? |
| 06:59.29 | babilen | ganymede: the root directory is incorrect |
| 06:59.50 | babilen | but i am more than tired right now .. good luck!! |
| 07:00.19 | FIReun | babilen: I use --root-directory=. (and be in the root dir of the new tree) |
| 07:00.22 | ganymede | i ran this command outside the chroot, by the way |
| 07:00.27 | FIReun | yes |
| 07:00.34 | FIReun | or at least, thats what I do |
| 07:00.52 | FIReun | and then go in and make a menu.lst, add some messagse, change the colors (: |
| 07:01.00 | babilen | ganymede: ah, that changes it ... |
| 07:01.13 | babilen | basic procedure: |
| 07:01.16 | ganymede | FIReun, so in summary, cd /mnt/NEW-SYSTEM outside chroot and then grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=. /dev/sdb ? |
| 07:01.16 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 07:01.16 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 07:02.23 | ganymede | babilen, okay, i'll try that approach instead of what I said to FIReun and then if that doesn't work, i'll try what i said to FIReun |
| 07:02.39 | FIReun | or vs/versa |
| 07:02.56 | FIReun | I just know what worked for me, its not the official or consensus approach |
| 07:03.14 | ganymede | thanks for the assistance, i'll let you know how it goes |
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| 07:03.32 | babilen | FIReun: there are many approaches ... your approach is fine. The other is easier IMHO |
| 07:03.48 | babilen | good night! and good luck |
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| 07:04.41 | mischievious | hmmm.. can someone help me with a permissions problem? im doing something fancy with squid, where a redirection script creates files under /var/www, but the files are created as the squid user proxy:proxy, with permissions -rw-r-----. i need apache to be able to read the file, any idea how i can fix this? |
| 07:06.17 | omid8bimo | hey, anybody knows when 2.6.32 trunk kernel will be released as a unstable kernel, u know, without being in trunk mode? |
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| 07:09.02 | FIReun | mischievious: is apache in group proxy? |
| 07:12.12 | mischievious | FIReun, no, but i suppose that would fix it wouldnt it :oi |
| 07:12.14 | mischievious | -i |
| 07:12.36 | FIReun | might |
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| 07:12.51 | CooLMaN | hi every one |
| 07:13.06 | babilen | www-data *hint* |
| 07:13.25 | CooLMaN | i have a problem with the internet on debian after i created a bridge network |
| 07:13.46 | CooLMaN | can an one help me? |
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| 07:15.01 | CooLMaN | can ay one help me please? |
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| 07:16.03 | ganymede | FIReun, after running that command, it gives me a list of device mappings, which are correct for this desktop, but i know for a fact that it will change once i move the hard disk into the new computer. is that an issue? |
| 07:16.57 | neoice | why in the world would module-assistant want to install emacs? |
| 07:17.05 | mischievious | FIReun, you're a lifesaver. thanks. |
| 07:17.25 | ganymede | FIReun, i.e. do the devicemappings need to correspond to the computer i'm running grub-install on, or on the computer i want to boot up? |
| 07:17.27 | FIReun | ganymede: I havnt been worrying about it too much, but I only have one drive in the target machine |
| 07:17.38 | babilen | mischievious: www-data |
| 07:17.51 | ganymede | FIReun, i guess i'll just start it up and keep my fingers crossed |
| 07:17.52 | FIReun | ganymede: also, check the grub menu.lst to see that it refers to the correct drives |
| 07:17.57 | CooLMaN | guys can any one help please? |
| 07:18.08 | FIReun | mischievious: occasionally I can be helpful, mostly I just need it. |
| 07:18.12 | babilen | CooLMaN: remove the bridge |
| 07:18.20 | FIReun | CooLMaN: we dont ask questions about asking questions |
| 07:18.21 | babilen | CooLMaN: or explain your problems |
| 07:18.32 | CooLMaN | ya, thats what im trying to do |
| 07:18.33 | FIReun | babilen: hey, I thought you went off-duty! |
| 07:18.39 | babilen | hehe |
| 07:18.43 | ganymede | FIReun, the menu.lst is by UUID and the UUIDs look correct, both on the like with uuid blah-blah-blah and root=UUID=blah-blah-blah |
| 07:18.55 | babilen | mischievious: apache runs as user www-data |
| 07:18.57 | FIReun | ganymede: give er a shot then I say |
| 07:19.09 | mischievious | FIReun, same for me, haha. :) |
| 07:19.11 | FIReun | babilen: good point |
| 07:19.18 | mischievious | babilen, yes, i added user www-data to group proxy and it works |
| 07:19.23 | CooLMaN | i have a bridge eth0 wlan0 |
| 07:19.38 | CooLMaN | i want to cancel it, but i want to know how |
| 07:20.01 | CooLMaN | or to keep it with internet acces on my pc |
| 07:20.42 | babilen | CooLMaN: man brctl |
| 07:20.47 | Gertm | how do I use console-setup? |
| 07:21.01 | babilen | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 07:21.29 | ganymede | FIReun, babilen : thanks, it booted up and now i got to the console login prompt =) hopefully i can take it from here |
| 07:22.09 | FIReun | cool beans |
| 07:22.17 | FIReun | is still cranking away |
| 07:23.03 | FIReun | someone tell me why my my arrow keys dont work in my chroot? |
| 07:23.17 | CooLMaN | im a beginner, i dont know what to do with these commands |
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| 07:25.31 | FIReun | CooLMaN: start at the beginning, we all did - read the man pages, read anything google can find about it |
| 07:25.36 | jmarsden | CooLMaN: If you are a beginner, how and why did you create a bridged network? Just undo whatever you did. |
| 07:25.37 | FIReun | and then ask informed questions (: |
| 07:26.15 | CooLMaN | i read it from wiki.debian.org |
| 07:26.27 | CooLMaN | but i searched how cancel it i didnt find it |
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| 07:28.40 | CooLMaN | please just one command to cancel the bridge |
| 07:29.02 | jmarsden | CooLMaN: Read the same page you used to create it, and do the opposite of the things it says you should do... undo them, one by one. There may not be "just one command", you did not even tell us the specific page of the wiki you looked at! |
| 07:30.03 | CooLMaN | this is the page |
| 07:30.04 | CooLMaN | http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 07:30.16 | PrickelPit | CooLMaN, just edit your /etc/network/interfaces back to default and /etc/init.d/neworking restart should fix it. |
| 07:31.18 | CooLMaN | it has nothing to say about the bridge |
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| 07:32.10 | CooLMaN | i installed aptitude install bridge-utils |
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| 07:32.26 | CooLMaN | then brctl addbr br0 |
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| 07:32.42 | CooLMaN | brctl addif br0 eth0 wlan0 |
| 07:32.50 | CooLMaN | thats what i did |
| 07:33.04 | jmarsden | CooLMaN: If that's all you did, just reboot. |
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| 07:33.40 | CooLMaN | restarting |
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| 07:40.56 | jmarsden | CooLMaN: So, did it work? Your system is all OK now, no more bridge? |
| 07:41.09 | CooLMaN | i had another problemno more cmputer |
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| 07:41.28 | CooLMaN | its not accepting to login as root while i dont have athor account |
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| 07:42.50 | CooLMaN | i've enapled root login befor |
| 07:42.58 | CooLMaN | now its not working |
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| 07:43.18 | CooLMaN | and it not showing the settings to do it |
| 07:43.35 | jmarsden | "Enabled root login" ? This is a Debian machine, what do you mean "enabled root login"? root login is enabled by default. |
| 07:43.54 | CooLMaN | no |
| 07:44.10 | FIReun | ... |
| 07:44.10 | CooLMaN | enabled for remote no lacal |
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| 07:44.55 | CooLMaN | im sitting Ù٠بخÙÙ٠بخ ةغ ]ÙÙآ÷ÙØ¢ Øؤ |
| 07:44.59 | CooLMaN | sorry> |
| 07:45.14 | CooLMaN | im sitting in front of my DEBIAN pc |
| 07:45.32 | CooLMaN | and its disabled |
| 07:46.03 | jmarsden | CooLMaN: Then you are local to it and can log into it as root from its console. if not, you need to boot to a recovery console and recover the machine. |
| 07:46.52 | CooLMaN | i can log in as root in consol, but i want gui |
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| 07:47.17 | CooLMaN | or can i enable root log in from consol? |
| 07:47.27 | jmarsden | Then root login is working fine... what on earth are you saying here? |
| 07:47.46 | grndslm | hey... is anybody in here cool with the mods in ##linux? |
| 07:47.50 | omid8bimo | nobody knows what is trunk kernel in repository? (2.6.32) old unstable kernels didnt had "trunk" in their name! |
| 07:48.12 | grndslm | some guy banned me because i said "freenode sux nutz nowadays" and "they are satan" |
| 07:48.15 | tuv | guesses gdm root login is disabled |
| 07:48.29 | grndslm | in response to some dude that was sending out DCC keylogger.exe bullshit |
| 07:49.05 | grndslm | how long does a ban last anyway? |
| 07:50.14 | jmarsden | grndslm: This is #debian, for Debian support issues. Your questions seem to be off topic here. |
| 07:50.40 | grndslm | correct.. but wtf? |
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| 07:50.59 | grndslm | who can i complain to about a retarded ban that was set improperly? |
| 07:51.01 | grndslm | :( |
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| 07:52.48 | grndslm | guess i gotta start using tor :-/ |
| 07:52.55 | tuv | how do i find out the average uptime (per boot) for a machine? |
| 07:53.21 | grndslm | pull out a stopwatch |
| 07:53.46 | FIReun | grndslm: hey kiddie, go chat up in #freenode |
| 07:53.48 | tuv | grndslm: i'm not the machine here |
| 07:53.50 | grndslm | takes me about 10 seconds with an SSD |
| 07:53.59 | grndslm | nice, i'll do that FIReun |
| 07:54.14 | neoice | tuv: I think there's some tools that can time boots, but I'm not sure of the names |
| 07:54.25 | neoice | I imagine they'd need to be kernel-level |
| 07:54.48 | FIReun | theres a profile tool that makes nice graphs of what took how long to do stuff in boot |
| 07:54.49 | tuv | i'm not asking how long does the boot process take, but rather how long does the machine stay up until the next boot |
| 07:54.51 | FIReun | cant recall it off hand |
| 07:55.07 | FIReun | tuv: might be in your logs |
| 07:55.14 | neoice | tuv: uptime is the command you're looking for |
| 07:55.15 | FIReun | should show it rebooting |
| 07:55.28 | neoice | but again, you'd need some sort of toolkit to track it all |
| 07:55.44 | tuv | uprecords (from the uptimed package) is nice for finding out longest uptimes, but i couldn't get an average out of it |
| 07:55.51 | neoice | I use nagios to monitor my uptimes and resource usage, but its a pretty heavy duty app |
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| 07:56.26 | neoice | pretty much designed for datacenter monitoring and reporting |
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| 08:01.31 | cast | jaggz-: lost all your data yet? |
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| 08:03.11 | LJR | Can I update debian to sid from within the OS? (i.e. not burn an iso and reinstall?) |
| 08:04.32 | tuv | LJR: yes, but you probably don't want to |
| 08:04.41 | LJR | tuv, any real reason? |
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| 08:06.00 | tuv | LJR: you need to be sufficiently fluent in debian to operate sid smoothly. your question suggests otherwise |
| 08:06.07 | jmarsden | LJR: Because the fact that you asked the question means you almost certainly do not know enough about Debian to keep sid running... |
| 08:06.26 | tuv | was first |
| 08:06.35 | jmarsden | Only just :) |
| 08:06.44 | neoice | yeah, I've been running Sid for a long time. it's pretty solid, but every once in a while, it WILL bite you |
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| 08:06.45 | LJR | Ah, I see. I was unsure if Debian had an update issue similar to Fedora's, etc. |
| 08:08.14 | grndslm | why is caitlyn offering me 1000 bytes of DCC crap? |
| 08:08.57 | FIReun | LJR: especially when you switch to sid, there can be ... hickups |
| 08:09.16 | FIReun | LJR: usually it just works, but you should know whats going on, its not for the blind |
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| 08:09.45 | neoice | in general, the closer to the bleeding edge you live, the harder your life can become |
| 08:09.57 | FIReun | heh |
| 08:09.58 | LJR | FIReun, and I thought my glasses worked... =( |
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| 08:10.03 | FIReun | but what doesnt kill you... |
| 08:10.07 | simonrvn | grndslm: exploit attempt i think... |
| 08:10.25 | neoice | I've taken Debian OldStable, rsync'd it to a 64bit VM and then upgraded to Lenny with out issue |
| 08:10.26 | LJR | I switched to debian to learn more about linux. I tried to install gentoo - the horror... the horror... |
| 08:10.30 | grndslm | hence my comment "freenode sux nutz these days" |
| 08:10.36 | grndslm | excuse my language |
| 08:10.38 | neoice | but if you've ever borked your toolchain in Gentoo... oh the pain... |
| 08:10.43 | simonrvn | not freenode's fault |
| 08:10.51 | LJR | neoice, that's what i did |
| 08:10.59 | grndslm | well.... trolls hit this place up 20 times a day |
| 08:11.01 | grndslm | at least |
| 08:11.08 | LJR | everything seemed to work... except the toolchain |
| 08:11.17 | FIReun | grndslm: stay on topic, stay on topic! |
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| 08:11.26 | neoice | LJR: did you do a stage3 install? because they actually have an installer (which I didnt know about for the first 2-3 attempts!) |
| 08:11.37 | LJR | neoice, I did! |
| 08:11.43 | neoice | although you will learn a ton if you do the full stage3 |
| 08:11.57 | LJR | I booted from a Mint LiveCD and did a stage3 tarball install. I did learn a ton! |
| 08:12.00 | neoice | just this evening, I used the mnt+chroot commands to recover a Debian system |
| 08:12.08 | LJR | After that, debian was like a dream. |
| 08:12.10 | neoice | I do not like grub2. |
| 08:12.41 | FIReun | LJR: I keep getting tempted away from debian for the candy distros, but they all rot my teeth in the end - and I'm back to raw debian again (: |
| 08:13.12 | omid8bimo | !trunk |
| 08:13.12 | dpkg | somebody said trunk was a term from version control systems such as <cvs> <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) |
| 08:13.37 | LJR | FIReun, this is the first time I've committed to staying with Debian. Ubuntu... oooo soooo pretty! But in the end I might as well use windows or something equally mindless. (No offense ubuntu lovers) |
| 08:14.07 | tuv | the only real temptation i felt was towards arch, though it wasn't actually enough to sway me from debian. arch made it to a vm though ;) |
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| 08:14.08 | FIReun | LJR: I dunno about pretty, they just packaged nice artwork (: |
| 08:14.41 | LJR | I think their gnome desktop is lovely. Debian looks rather jagged by comparison. (I like our default wallpaper better anyway, tho) |
| 08:14.41 | FIReun | and really, you gotta be some sort of mechanic to use debian much |
| 08:14.45 | neoice | tuv: when I tried Arch, I still found myself compiling a lot of stuff and I never got my head around the AUR/pacman/et al weirdness |
| 08:14.50 | FIReun | ubuntu and the others can make it easier for users |
| 08:15.07 | neoice | it was like Gentoo but with 4 package managers instead of just 'emerge $PACKAGE' |
| 08:15.09 | LJR | Oh I totally agree. If you're new to linux you best use Ubuntu or Mint. |
| 08:15.50 | neoice | I feel like Ubuntu has never made my life easier and has caused me more headaches than I can count |
| 08:16.12 | FIReun | easypeasy looks interesting for the netbook folks |
| 08:16.27 | neoice | first time I installed it (7.04), I had to edit xorg.conf, which I wouldnt call "Linux for human beings" |
| 08:16.28 | LJR | Neoice, ubuntu is pretty, polished, and easy to use. But it's a little too hand-holdy for me. |
| 08:16.41 | FIReun | altough they claim to be adding Gnome-Do, which is kinda heavy and is icky Mono (.net) |
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| 08:17.02 | LJR | At least it's not enlightenment. Man, that's gorgeous but it's sooo slow! |
| 08:17.17 | FIReun | LJR: I havnt tried the new E stuff |
| 08:17.24 | tuv | i'm having the distro problem with linux new-comers. debian is too much for a guy who doens't distinguish computers from windows. while ubuntu doesn't survive for long - it breaks sooner than you'd hope |
| 08:17.26 | LJR | It's nice! Just slow. |
| 08:17.46 | neoice | mmm, its nice to have my old XFCE setup again after months of using awesome |
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| 08:18.00 | FIReun | lately I've been an xfce desktop |
| 08:18.06 | LJR | Do like I recommend - start with ubuntu/mint and learn as much as you can as fast as you can, then pick a more mature distro |
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| 08:18.31 | FIReun | LJR: like debian |
| 08:18.41 | LJR | Like Debian. =D |
| 08:18.46 | neoice | I always tell people just to dive into Debian |
| 08:18.47 | FIReun | its so good, its almost engineered! |
| 08:18.52 | FIReun | (for engineers) |
| 08:19.11 | FIReun | its not a disto, its a life-time commitment |
| 08:19.20 | LJR | A wife? |
| 08:19.24 | LJR | I'm... i'm married? |
| 08:19.25 | FIReun | I said life-time |
| 08:19.34 | FIReun | you never need to reinstall! (: |
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| 08:19.56 | LJR | Oh, so it doesn't sleep with you then run off with your money when you're down? |
| 08:20.02 | tuv | is hooked to openbox |
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| 08:23.26 | tuv | LJR: debian? never. it's just sleeping with 832 irc'ers right now and bringing them together |
| 08:23.43 | FIReun | that slut |
| 08:24.04 | neoice | anyone try out byobu yet? |
| 08:24.47 | tuv | tried it for a bit. didn't find it worth installing a package |
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| 08:25.31 | cast | LJR: bah, people learn fastest with steep curves |
| 08:26.17 | LJR | cast, while I agree, we don't want to scare off future Linux users |
| 08:26.17 | tuv | neoice: you can do better playing with your .screenrc yourself. byobu defaults look ugly |
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| 08:26.30 | LJR | I believe it's not linux if it's not CLI, but i don't go voicing it. =P |
| 08:26.31 | neoice | tuv: yeah, its making me miss my screenrc |
| 08:26.58 | cast | linux is just a kernel, AFAIK it doesn't have a CLI |
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| 08:27.21 | cast | [does passing parameters at the bootloader count?] |
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| 08:32.43 | FIReun | aptitude needs a --color=auto option |
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| 08:34.50 | jmarsden | FIReun: aptitude is open source... go ahead and add it if you think it needs it :) |
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| 08:42.30 | zamm | i'm trying to get ethernet working, and someday, god willing, wireless, on my computer |
| 08:42.50 | zamm | i'm new to debian, but it seems to be being fickle |
| 08:43.12 | cast | what nic? |
| 08:43.52 | cast | buying decent HW is kind of handy |
| 08:43.53 | zamm | broadcom netlink BCM5787M |
| 08:44.32 | zamm | it is a thinkpad |
| 08:44.35 | zamm | nothing fancy |
| 08:46.29 | cast | and what seems to be the problem? |
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| 08:47.58 | cast | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AWhyisn.27tmyNICsupportedbyDebianInstaller.2CIknowthe.22tg3.22driversupportsit.21 |
| 08:48.23 | cast | ahh, old news |
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| 09:01.29 | [psyk] | this is where the parties at |
| 09:01.30 | [psyk] | :3 |
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| 09:05.25 | [psyk] | So full of life I can see... |
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| 09:08.57 | cast | shhh, i'm reading |
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| 09:15.56 | l3x | i just finished installing my nvidia drivers and my screen saver doesn't show |
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| 09:18.41 | cast | they're proprietary drivers written by nvidia, that are not [officially] in debian |
| 09:19.28 | zamm | i hate computers |
| 09:19.54 | zamm | i should like to defenestrate one |
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| 09:25.37 | cahoot | that's the same as deinstall windows |
| 09:26.02 | war9407 | Two different repositories contain a package, how do I prefer one repository over another so I get the package from repo A and not B? |
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| 09:26.53 | iceroot | war9407: apt-pinning should do that |
| 09:27.21 | zamm | why did i install over slackware |
| 09:27.26 | zamm | i had a good thang going on |
| 09:28.05 | war9407 | iceroot: pinning can separate between stable/test/unstable |
| 09:28.32 | war9407 | (from what I read), I am unsure if it can provide priority of one depot over another |
| 09:29.58 | iceroot | war9407: i was using it to prefent backports killing my system with an upgrade |
| 09:30.07 | l3x | can anyone help me with my screen saver problem |
| 09:30.08 | l3x | ? |
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| 09:30.21 | war9407 | ice799: k |
| 09:30.43 | cast | zamm: so you decommisioned and destroyed one system, in favour of a new different system, before the new different system was proven to function? |
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| 09:31.44 | war9407 | ice799: mind if I see your preferences/sources.list? |
| 09:33.36 | zamm | cast, i backed it up |
| 09:33.56 | zamm | but i desire some diferent functions |
| 09:34.29 | zamm | but 64 Studio is not being friendly |
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| 09:46.53 | simple | vay be |
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| 09:47.01 | simple | burdaki herkes deb mi kullanıyo Åimdi cidden |
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| 10:07.08 | zamm | something is seriously wrong withthis build |
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| 10:08.29 | zamm | when i type 'fdisk -l' nothing shows up |
| 10:10.01 | adb | as root ? |
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| 10:19.21 | mreh | why has my custom etc/wpa_supplicant.conf been overwritten on reboot? |
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| 10:20.28 | mreh | it's now blank! |
| 10:21.33 | caitlin | is it ubuntu? |
| 10:21.52 | caitlin | ubuntu has decided that all your config is wrong these days and cooks its own every time it boots |
| 10:22.12 | mreh | nah, it's debian |
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| 10:23.02 | cast | mreh: :( |
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| 10:23.12 | cast | mreh: could make it immutable |
| 10:23.18 | war9407 | ice799: got it working |
| 10:23.35 | mreh | cast: well I can't worry about that yet, it doesnt work anymore |
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| 10:23.47 | mreh | i replaced it from backup |
| 10:23.58 | mreh | going for a reboot |
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| 10:28.41 | cast | hmm, have i got this write, if i use LVM with say /dev/sda2 as my pv, and made a vg+lv for /home, i could move /home to /dev/sda3 via adding it to the volume group then doing a pvmove /dev/sda2; then a vgreduce vg /dev/sda2 then finally a pvremove, now allowing me to rip out sda or use sda2 for other things |
| 10:28.46 | cast | s/write/right* |
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| 10:29.04 | cast | eh, disregard the bit about ripping out sda |
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| 10:32.45 | Walex | cast: maybe, but that sounds really, really dumb to me. But of course you know better, so go ahead and make my day. |
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| 10:33.56 | cast | why does that sound dumb? |
| 10:34.13 | cast | just exploring the concept of replacing disks with no downtime |
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| 10:34.54 | dondelelcaro | cast: if that's something you want to do, you generally do it by using raid |
| 10:35.00 | mreh | I've got the wireless working manually, network-manager doesn't seem to be able to connect by itself though |
| 10:35.34 | cast | dondelelcaro: indeed indeed |
| 10:36.09 | cast | right now i'm thinking about moving /home from a SD card onto a HDD, but i don't want to umount it |
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| 10:38.15 | cast | if it works its pretty neat, say would enable moving from local storage to SAN without downtime, and other such things |
| 10:41.21 | ctmnz | hello all. I have problem with my wireless detecting. I have wireless in my home and i had made it 'hidden'. Then i had searched for it and it was with ssid 'hidden'. The real problem is that when i have returned it as not 'hidden' my Ubuntu still recognized him as hidden. So.. how can i clear that wrong cache about my home wireless? |
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| 10:44.12 | cast | stnv: what's an ubuntu? |
| 10:44.38 | hideo | I heard it's some OS for noobs |
| 10:45.00 | hideo | who also don't know how to join the correct channel to ask questions |
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| 10:48.33 | stnv | hideo, i tough that I am in ubuntu channel but it looks like debian channel is something like when ubuntu channel overflows |
| 10:50.03 | hideo | if that's true, the #ubuntu ops are asses |
| 10:50.08 | stnv | you cant try to join in ubuntu channel without nickserv identified nickname and you will see |
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| 10:51.23 | hideo | stnv: ah well... I don't care enough to join =P |
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| 10:52.19 | stnv | whatever, i know that debian is the root of ubuntu and may be you know guys how to solve my problem |
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| 10:53.09 | hideo | well one problem with your question is you said "my Ubuntu still recognized him as hidden." |
| 10:53.21 | stnv | mmm i will explain |
| 10:53.26 | hideo | what application/program does it use to show that? |
| 10:53.45 | stnv | wcid |
| 10:54.12 | stnv | is the program |
| 10:54.22 | hideo | ok, b/c we aren't ubuntu users, so we don't know what ubuntu uses for wifi networking |
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| 10:54.50 | hideo | stnv: good, now wait for someone who knows about wcid to help =P |
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| 10:55.46 | hideo | stnv: my guess is it must have cached the ssid with the bssid/mac of the ap |
| 10:56.07 | hideo | stnv: I dunno how to clear it, but you could probably muck about and see |
| 10:56.21 | stnv | the problem is that when i had made my wireless hidden and tried to connect (unsuccessful) then i have mad my wireless again visible (not hidden), the wcid still see it as <hidden> |
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| 10:56.59 | hideo | stnv: try using kismet to see if your ap is/isn't actually hidden |
| 10:57.01 | stnv | yeah.. i will see if there is support channel for wcid. thanks anyway |
| 10:57.37 | stnv | hideo, thnks i will try |
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| 10:57.56 | hideo | stnv: np |
| 10:59.18 | stnv | Its looks strange but i have windows 7 (dont booo me :)) installed on the same computer and the problem is the same. |
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| 10:59.56 | hideo | stnv: then maybe the problem is not with the OS's but with your ap, I think the kismet checking idea is appropriate |
| 10:59.57 | cast | so uh...it's not OS specific |
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| 11:02.49 | stnv | cast, i have made the same approach with Windows 7 (i had tried to connect when it was hidden and then i tried to connect it when it is not hidden anymore) |
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| 11:04.08 | stnv | it looks like something goes wrong when you hide your wireless and try to connect and then you make it visible and try to connect |
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| 11:36.43 | Rahim | i am using lenny and want to change usplash but i dont have any utility which cn do that |
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| 11:56.00 | mshindo | hi, trying to create a deb package but we are running into problems in the domain of adding "extra" directories. We have 4 directories with contents that are created normally by a post make install script, these dont seem to be picked up by dpkg-buildpackage, and we need to include them in our package |
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| 11:59.25 | azeem_ | mshindo: what do you mean with "post make install script"? |
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| 12:00.20 | mshindo | azeem_ when make install is run, it triggers a script that creates the directories and copies the required files |
| 12:00.34 | osfd | Hi guys... |
| 12:00.56 | mshindo | when we used checkinstall to create our package this was picked up on, but now that we are trying to do it the "correct" way, its not working out to well |
| 12:01.46 | osfd | I followed this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k and I don't how to boot on my newly installed kernel |
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| 12:02.07 | azeem_ | mshindo: maybe you are not honering DESTDIR in your script |
| 12:03.12 | linucks | dpkg-buildpackage won't pick the script up anyway |
| 12:03.46 | linucks | the problem is that dpkg-buildpackage picks the dirs to install up by looking at make install afaik, since there is a script doing it- not make install- this isn't happening |
| 12:04.06 | linucks | thus only the binary file being installed to /usr/bin/, rather than everything else (the etc files and what not) |
| 12:04.25 | linucks | that is the problem, excuse me, for clarification- I am working with mshindo on this |
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| 12:05.50 | linucks | it is causing quite a problem for us |
| 12:06.00 | linucks | any idea, azeem_ ? |
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| 12:10.07 | azeem_ | 13:01 < azeem_> mshindo: maybe you are not honering DESTDIR in your script |
| 12:10.08 | azeem_ | [A[A[A[A[A[AB[B[B[B[B[B |
| 12:10.15 | azeem_ | eh, where did that come from |
| 12:10.24 | azeem_ | anyway, dpkg-buildpackage is not looking at anything |
| 12:10.49 | azeem_ | it is your duty to get everything installed at the right place (which is usually either ./debian/tmp or ./debian/<packagename>) |
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| 12:11.14 | linucks | yeah we're just wondering how to do that specifically |
| 12:11.30 | linucks | we were looking at the debian/dir file but got stuck as to where to continue from after there |
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| 12:13.06 | mshindo | so if we plug the required directories in the ./debian directory, they will get copied across when the package is installed? |
| 12:13.12 | linucks | ok |
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| 12:13.18 | linucks | I think I have just worked it out azeem_ |
| 12:13.31 | linucks | we put the files in debian/tmp/whatever right? |
| 12:13.54 | linucks | then add for example whatever to the debian/dir right? |
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| 12:18.15 | kielanmatt | hi all |
| 12:18.26 | kielanmatt | i downloaded the package libbost-dev |
| 12:18.34 | kielanmatt | and i cant find date_time folder |
| 12:21.16 | azeem_ | linucks: correct install scripts would just create the directory beforehand; debian/dirs is only meant to work-around broken upstream Makefiles or additional empty directories |
| 12:21.36 | azeem_ | kielanmatt: why do you need that folder |
| 12:21.58 | kielanmatt | to compile my project |
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| 12:22.19 | azeem_ | kielanmatt: note that boost consists of several packages and libboost-dev is an empty meta package |
| 12:22.24 | linucks | azeem_, hm yeah that's something I was discussing with mshindo. |
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| 12:24.28 | shawn_ | how do i change permission to allow myself to write to /var/www/ ? |
| 12:24.44 | azeem_ | shawn_: why do you want to? |
| 12:25.10 | shawn_ | so i can make folders and stuff inside the /www/ :) |
| 12:25.17 | shawn_ | its just me using my laptop :) |
| 12:25.37 | shawn_ | or is there a group that can write to it? |
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| 12:26.43 | efinitix | anybody know how to use curl or wget? |
| 12:26.55 | azeem_ | efinitix: they come with documentation |
| 12:27.01 | azeem_ | see their manpages or --help output |
| 12:27.02 | shawn_ | what u need to know about wget? |
| 12:27.16 | efinitix | well i know how to use them but |
| 12:27.37 | efinitix | what i'm trying to do is download a file that firefox can see fine |
| 12:27.46 | efinitix | but when i run them through curl or wget it redirects |
| 12:27.58 | efinitix | i've tried switching the user agent and loading my firefox cookies, but to no avail |
| 12:28.03 | shawn_ | eh gonna have to read the manpage then sorry :( |
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| 12:28.30 | poppiez | how do I flush the sendmail queue? |
| 12:28.33 | efinitix | thnx anyway :( |
| 12:29.48 | shawn_ | so how do i allow myself to write to /var/www? |
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| 12:31.51 | Kwpolska | hi. I'd got a problem with installing virtualbox guest additions |
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| 12:33.03 | Kwpolska | It outputs: bash: ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Brak dostÄpu |
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| 12:34.48 | RSMITH16384 | need commandline command that will tell me if im connected at 1Gbit |
| 12:35.26 | RSMITH16384 | ifconfig didnt specify |
| 12:35.36 | Kwpolska | RSMITH16384: try apt-get or aptitude. install anything |
| 12:35.44 | pierre_le | Kwpolska, ensure runnige the .run command as root |
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| 12:36.21 | Kwpolska | pierre_le: same result |
| 12:36.25 | RSMITH16384 | apt-get install anything? |
| 12:36.42 | RSMITH16384 | 'anything' is a package? |
| 12:36.45 | Kwpolska | RSMITH1634: install any package. |
| 12:36.56 | RSMITH16384 | i have installed many |
| 12:36.58 | Kwpolska | it's the best method |
| 12:37.27 | RSMITH16384 | best method to what? |
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| 12:38.12 | azeem_ | Kwpolska: how is your answer related to RSMITH16384's question? |
| 12:38.15 | Kwpolska | RSMITHp[numbers]: to check network connection! pkg managers use merely 100% of net speed |
| 12:38.24 | azeem_ | Kwpolska: what |
| 12:38.30 | RSMITH16384 | my wan would bottleneck thats a horrable way |
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| 12:38.52 | Kwpolska | Anyone know what's with vbox additions? |
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| 12:40.27 | pierre_le | Kwpolska, what is you guest OS? |
| 12:40.52 | Kwpolska | pierre_le: debian. ask, why I am asking on #debian? |
| 12:40.58 | Kwpolska | say* |
| 12:41.10 | RSMITH16384 | o well ill try the ubuntu room |
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| 12:41.52 | azeem_ | Kwpolska: maybe because your host OS is Debian? |
| 12:42.17 | Kwpolska | azeem_: no. openSuSE. |
| 12:42.33 | Kwpolska | the problem is in debian |
| 12:42.35 | azeem_ | Kwpolska: it's not a stupid question anyway |
| 12:43.33 | Kwpolska | It won't work, even if I'll do something dumb. |
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| 12:52.42 | Kwpolska | OMG! there exist a package for this. *facepalm* |
| 12:53.19 | nike | there's a package for frickin everything |
| 12:53.28 | nike | that's what half of my errors are down to now |
| 12:53.33 | nike | just need to install a package |
| 12:53.36 | nike | it's fucking awesome |
| 12:53.53 | nike | <3 Debian |
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| 12:55.14 | abrotman | nike: do you need help ? |
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| 12:56.03 | abrotman | nike: why did you spam me with all that junk ? |
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| 13:00.13 | jimcooncat | What are the advantages to using things like puppet and chef over d-i preseed? |
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| 13:05.22 | abrotman | jimcooncat: one is during installation, the others aren't ? |
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| 13:05.49 | jimcooncat | morning abrotman, do you ever sleep? |
| 13:05.59 | abrotman | i'm just on your timezone |
| 13:06.15 | abrotman | guesses |
| 13:07.06 | clrg | jimcooncat: Good morning? Local time here is 14:06 =) |
| 13:07.14 | jimcooncat | I'm in Maine, waiting for the next snowstorm. Anyway, I've been looking over infrastructure, and can't fathom why anyone finds these things like puppet and chef valuable |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman | guessed maine by the 'cooncat' bit .. |
| 13:07.41 | abrotman | jimcooncat: they're for mass deployments/management |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | jimcooncat: aptitude show puppet ... read the descriptoin |
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| 13:11.32 | jimcooncat | abrotman: thanks, yes I've been reading the website too. I've got to get all my machines reloaded as I got way behind in updates, and moving from 'buntu to debian. I have a preseed install set up, and am getting stuck on partitioning. |
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| 13:12.01 | abrotman | oh, the preseed can do that, you may also want to look at FAI |
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| 13:13.38 | jimcooncat | I will, it's not deprecated? |
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| 13:16.07 | abrotman | not that i'm aware |
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| 13:27.12 | Posterdati | I got problem with hylafax: Can not reach server at host "hostname", port 4559. |
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| 13:29.30 | abrotman | when doing what? |
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| 13:36.09 | johndoe | any ideas on why i get a segfault when 'python -c "import kdecore"' on squeeze amd64 using python 2.5 |
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| 13:42.17 | ewet | hi, does anyone know if conky's cpu variable honors the use_spacer setting? it doesn't look like it.. |
| 13:44.31 | babilen | johndoe: which version of Debian are you using. How did you install these libraries (kde3 or kde4) ? Give us more details ... |
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| 13:45.51 | johndoe | babilen: fresh squeeze install; aptitude install python-kde3 |
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| 13:47.55 | thrashold | babilen: johndoe: The same happens on sid |
| 13:47.58 | babilen | !dbugs 533054 |
| 13:48.04 | dpkg | #533054:S[python-kde3] python-kde3: segmentation faults when python program imports dcopext libraries (); Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:48:02 UTC [] |
| 13:48.15 | abrotman | blames kde |
| 13:48.16 | babilen | johndoe: Install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
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| 13:49.56 | nike | abrotman: because I love you |
| 13:50.16 | abrotman | you need help .. |
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| 13:50.26 | thrashold | I believe sip is responsible |
| 13:50.28 | _THEGOD | anyone knows how to attach grldr to syslinux ? |
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| 13:51.21 | vorsprung | hi |
| 13:51.23 | nike | has too much love for abrotman to handle |
| 13:51.31 | vorsprung | I am trying to get exim4 working |
| 13:51.51 | vorsprung | it broke I think when I installed lenny |
| 13:51.51 | johndoe | thrashold: yep, when ltraced last thing it loads (i guess) is sip. "strlen("/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/sip"...)" |
| 13:52.08 | vorsprung | it gives an error about DEBCONF in the config files |
| 13:52.32 | thrashold | johndoe: sip is trying to spit an error that you can't use it with this version of PyKDE, and it segfaults |
| 13:52.37 | vorsprung | but there is no such string in /etc/exim4 |
| 13:53.35 | vorsprung | well there is in the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 13:53.48 | vorsprung | but I am assuming that is allowed |
| 13:54.07 | vorsprung | any ideas? I really need to fix my home email server |
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| 13:55.24 | babilen | vorsprung: Paste the exact error. Try to reconfigure exim4 (dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) after you made a backup of the configuration you use now. If that does not help, remove the configuration files completely and reinstall lenny's default configuration. Ask dpkg about <confmiss> |
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| 13:56.47 | vorsprung | babilen, where is paste for this channel? |
| 13:57.06 | mebus | Is it possible to display what the mouse sends to the PC, meaning position of the cursor etc. with a commandlinetool or a gui tool? |
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| 13:57.15 | mebus | Is it possible to display what the mouse sends to the PC, meaning position of the cursor etc. with a commandlinetool or a gui tool? |
| 13:57.15 | vorsprung | snail:/var# dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:57.15 | vorsprung | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim4-config is broken or not fully installed |
| 13:57.28 | vorsprung | that's what happens with exim4-config |
| 13:57.42 | babilen | vorsprung: You can use the paster you like .. try http://paste.debian.org http://paste.pocoo.org http://hpaste.org |
| 13:58.01 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 13:58.03 | cast | mebus: yeah i reckon it definitely is |
| 13:58.26 | vorsprung | babilen, thanks |
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| 13:59.31 | vorsprung | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/161315/ |
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| 13:59.35 | vorsprung | that's the error |
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| 14:00.40 | vorsprung | i have read "/usr/share/doc/exim4-config/NEWS.Debian.gz for 4.67-2 and 4.67-4" and it just mentions that there is a problem but is very vague about how to fix it |
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| 14:05.20 | WhiteCrow1 | hi |
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| 14:07.00 | WhiteCrow1 | can i install squeez hplip on debian lenny ? i want install hplip for my friend ? |
| 14:07.21 | azeem_ | WhiteCrow1: why not install lenny hplip on lenny? |
| 14:07.23 | vorsprung | babilen, i did a purge of the config package and now it's looking a bit better |
| 14:07.46 | WhiteCrow1 | azeem_: beause its ols |
| 14:07.49 | WhiteCrow1 | ops |
| 14:07.51 | WhiteCrow1 | *old |
| 14:08.32 | azeem_ | judd: versions hplip |
| 14:08.33 | judd | azeem_: hplip -- etch: 1.6.10-3etch1 etch-security: 1.6.10-3etch1 lenny: 2.8.6.b-4 squeeze: 3.9.10-4 sid: 3.9.12-2 |
| 14:10.14 | WhiteCrow1 | azeem_: and my friend have problem wit lenny hplip , she told me just can run hplip in lenny wit root |
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| 14:11.22 | vorsprung | babilen, i have it working again now...phew...thanks for listening |
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| 14:13.24 | WhiteCrow1 | so can i install ? |
| 14:13.49 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: this cant be supported |
| 14:13.51 | azeem_ | I don't know |
| 14:14.16 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: to use any printing utility accessing /dev/lp0 the user needs to be in the lp group anyway |
| 14:14.18 | johndoe | im using squeeze. can i somehow force apt to install python2.5.2 instead of python2.5.4 ? |
| 14:14.33 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: certainly he does not need root |
| 14:14.37 | babilen | vorsprung: am back. Glad you solved it with rubber duck debugging .. What did you do? |
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| 14:15.13 | WhiteCrow1 | valdyn: tnx dude |
| 14:15.42 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: squeeze however has a new permission system for stuff like this, you dont want to mess with that |
| 14:16.06 | WhiteCrow1 | ok |
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| 14:21.28 | TangentCollision | I just used apt-get install tintin++ but the command "tintin+","tintin" and "tintin++" do not work |
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| 14:21.46 | TangentCollision | how can I see what binary I would run? |
| 14:22.28 | azeem_ | TangentCollision: dpkg -L tintin++ | grep bin |
| 14:22.37 | TangentCollision | danke |
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| 14:23.15 | TangentCollision | actually, that's getting me nothing |
| 14:23.38 | TangentCollision | ah, but without grep it does |
| 14:23.44 | TangentCollision | tt++ is apperently it |
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| 14:24.08 | Lasher | hello, world |
| 14:24.16 | vorsprung | babilen, dpkg -P exim4-config then aptitude install exim4-config, answer the questions and it now seems ok |
| 14:24.53 | vorsprung | babilen, i am now seeing if exim4-daemon-heavy is better with spamassassin :) |
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| 14:39.15 | Renfield | How do I disable IPv6? |
| 14:39.34 | TangentCollision | hello Lasher |
| 14:39.57 | babilen | !tell Renfield -about noipv6 |
| 14:40.00 | babilen | Renfield: why? |
| 14:40.14 | TangentCollision | hmm, powwow doesn't exist in my repos, crap |
| 14:40.23 | TangentCollision | guess it's time to join #ubuntu the shitstorm |
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| 14:40.53 | Renfield | babilen: Because I have an application that is registering itself to listen on an IPv6 port. |
| 14:41.37 | Renfield | Thanks, I'll try this. |
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| 14:41.47 | shamelessn00b | Hi guy |
| 14:41.49 | shamelessn00b | guys* |
| 14:42.11 | shamelessn00b | I have a question, Im running a process called ogg123 which keeps going defunct |
| 14:42.31 | babilen | Renfield: which version of Debian? |
| 14:42.46 | Renfield | Squeeze I believe. |
| 14:42.56 | shamelessn00b | I need some script or program that keeps monitoring ogg123's status and whenever it gets defunct respawn it |
| 14:44.37 | AimHere | Why is ogg123 becoming defunct? |
| 14:44.58 | babilen | Renfield: Have a look at net.ipv6.bindv6only (sysctl) There was a change from 0 to 1 in the default configuration recently. Please file a bug against the package in question. |
| 14:46.21 | shamelessn00b | Im invoking it through asterisk |
| 14:46.34 | shamelessn00b | its playing back a stream to users calling my server |
| 14:46.58 | shamelessn00b | I have 8 instances of ogg123 spawned by asterisk |
| 14:47.15 | shamelessn00b | and one of them keeps going defunct at random |
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| 14:47.56 | AimHere | Could this not be a bug in asterisk? |
| 14:48.05 | shamelessn00b | dunno |
| 14:48.11 | shamelessn00b | I need a workaround atm |
| 14:48.40 | shamelessn00b | like some script |
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| 14:48.50 | shamelessn00b | that spits the output of ogg123 to asterisk |
| 14:49.07 | shamelessn00b | and keeps monitoring the status of ogg123 at the same time |
| 14:49.17 | shamelessn00b | and whenever it goes down it just respawns it |
| 14:50.07 | babilen | how would asterisk communicate with the new process? Ask in #asterisk if they can think of a way. Or wait, there might be someone in here that can give you a clue. |
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| 14:50.26 | shamelessn00b | asterisk spawns the script |
| 14:50.35 | shamelessn00b | script keeps outputting to stdout |
| 14:50.37 | AimHere | Yeah, so it must be invoking ogg123 in some way |
| 14:50.42 | shamelessn00b | as long as the script is running |
| 14:50.55 | shamelessn00b | doesnt matter how many instances of ogg123 it spawns |
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| 14:51.12 | shamelessn00b | cuz asterisk is communicating with the script not ogg123 |
| 14:51.14 | AimHere | Doesn't matter how many, there's always one broken one? |
| 14:51.23 | shamelessn00b | yes |
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| 14:51.47 | AimHere | I bet it's the first one |
| 14:52.00 | babilen | shamelessn00b: what about one? |
| 14:52.14 | shamelessn00b | one what? |
| 14:52.30 | babilen | ... instance of ogg123 |
| 14:52.36 | AimHere | Hang on, you've got a script, can't you examine the script, and log stdout/stderr to see what's making ogg123 barf? |
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| 14:52.52 | shamelessn00b | I dont have a script |
| 14:52.53 | shamelessn00b | :/ |
| 14:52.55 | AimHere | ogg123 has a verbosity option |
| 14:52.57 | kdasdasf | Welche marke kann man gefahrlos drucker+scanner kaufen? |
| 14:53.02 | azeem_ | !de |
| 14:53.02 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:53.09 | thrashold | shamelessn00b: Are you sure that the defunct process is causing a problem? |
| 14:53.16 | shamelessn00b | yes |
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| 14:53.20 | AimHere | Oh, but 'asterisk is communicating with the script not ogg123' |
| 14:53.29 | kdasdasf | Sind brother oder canon ok? |
| 14:53.30 | AimHere | I took that to mean that there was some sort of script in the middle |
| 14:53.34 | shamelessn00b | when I run it through the script |
| 14:53.42 | shamelessn00b | Im thinking of a possible workaround |
| 14:53.49 | shamelessn00b | havent really implemented it yet |
| 14:53.59 | shamelessn00b | came here to ask you guys if that is possible |
| 14:54.01 | babilen | kdasdasf: -> #debian.de |
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| 14:54.19 | shamelessn00b | a program/script that spawns another program and monitors it |
| 14:54.27 | shamelessn00b | if the child process goes defunct |
| 14:54.31 | shamelessn00b | it just calls it again |
| 14:55.10 | babilen | shamelessn00b: What starts these processes? Do you have one defunct process if you let asterisk only run a single ogg123 process? |
| 14:55.14 | AimHere | The utter worst case scenario is that you rename the ogg123 executable and write a script that invokes the new name, but I'm guessing asterisk hasn't hardcoded it's invocation of ogg123 so that shouldn't be necessary |
| 14:55.22 | thrashold | shamelessn00b: The process going defunct just means that its execution is complete, and asterisk didn't wait for it. |
| 14:55.30 | shamelessn00b | theres a module in asterisk called musiconhold |
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| 14:55.36 | shamelessn00b | that spawns the processes |
| 14:55.54 | thrashold | shamelessn00b: The only way to do a script to do what you want, is to make a script that starts ogg123 in a infinite loop |
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| 14:56.01 | AimHere | My guess is what's happening is that asterisk has borked the invocation of ogg123 and that you just need to fix that somehow, possibly by editing an options screen or config file |
| 14:56.04 | shamelessn00b | how can the execution be complete if its streaming a nevver ending stream |
| 14:56.19 | babilen | shamelessn00b: The problem is, that asterisk needs to know how to communicate with the newly spawned process. If you just externally spawn new processes asterisk won't magically use them. Just try it yourself ... start multiple ogg123 processes and see that asterisk will not touch them. |
| 14:56.32 | shamelessn00b | I know |
| 14:56.41 | shamelessn00b | but if I do it through a script |
| 14:56.43 | babilen | shamelessn00b: Debug that plugin ... It is buggy |
| 14:56.43 | shamelessn00b | inside asterisk |
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| 14:57.08 | babilen | shamelessn00b: is musiconhold in a debian package? |
| 14:57.08 | shamelessn00b | then asterisk would still own the process |
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| 14:57.19 | shamelessn00b | its installed with asterisk |
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| 14:58.02 | babilen | shamelessn00b: Musiconhold would still need to know about the sockets/pipes/etc of the new process in order to be able to communicate with it. |
| 14:58.24 | shamelessn00b | wont the script handle it |
| 14:58.27 | babilen | shamelessn00b: Ask in #asterisk ... and report a bug again asterisk in the BTS |
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| 14:58.39 | shamelessn00b | Im on asterisk aswell |
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| 14:58.59 | babilen | shamelessn00b: I don't know. I have no idea about musiconhold's code |
| 14:59.05 | AimHere | You seem to be desperate to not get the problem fixed rather than put in some horrible klugey workaround |
| 14:59.17 | shamelessn00b | its a live server |
| 14:59.20 | shamelessn00b | what do you expect |
| 14:59.34 | shamelessn00b | I cant just keep restarting the server all night |
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| 15:00.03 | asdasdasd | is there somebody that can help me setting up tc-tbf? |
| 15:00.04 | babilen | shamelessn00b: Debug that plugin. Check various conditions (what happens if only one ogg123 process is started) why does the ogg123 instance become defunct? Are there any logs? |
| 15:00.32 | shamelessn00b | babilen: 7/8 ogg processes work fine |
| 15:00.40 | shamelessn00b | just 1 at random goes defunct |
| 15:00.52 | babilen | shamelessn00b: what about 1/1 ? |
| 15:00.53 | shamelessn00b | every process is playing a different stream |
| 15:01.00 | shamelessn00b | works fine |
| 15:01.06 | AimHere | What about 2? |
| 15:01.08 | babilen | 1/2 ? |
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| 15:01.18 | shamelessn00b | havent tried all the permutations |
| 15:01.24 | shamelessn00b | just got this error |
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| 15:02.04 | babilen | But this is pointless ... contact upstream and file a bug. You can debug it yourself, but that would entail looking at the musiconhold code ... |
| 15:02.27 | AimHere | There seems to be a similar bug already filed for Solaris: https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=4929 |
| 15:02.27 | babilen | See how ogg123 is started, try to generate more (debug) output ... etc etc |
| 15:02.52 | AimHere | Yeah, ogg123 does have a verbose option |
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| 15:03.04 | asdasdasd | babilen do u know anything about tc from lartc? |
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| 15:04.27 | babilen | !lart asdasdasd |
| 15:04.28 | dpkg | hereby declares asdasdasd a troll |
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| 15:04.45 | Karl_Koch | is supported GNU/linux Debian on a microvax 3100 system 40 ? |
| 15:04.58 | babilen | asdasdasd: ask your question. If I can answer it I will ... |
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| 15:05.21 | asdasdasd | i'm trying to limit the traffic speed to 150 kb's on all the computers in my network |
| 15:05.38 | asdasdasd | i'm using tc-htb for that but it dont work |
| 15:06.14 | babilen | define 'dont work' |
| 15:06.27 | asdasdasd | my speed dont stay 150 kb's |
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| 15:08.22 | asdasdasd | this is the command i use : tc qdisc add dev ppp0 root tbf rate 150kbps latency 1ms burst 15040 |
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| 15:12.18 | asdasdasd | do u know what may be the cause of that |
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| 15:15.20 | filePeter | asdasdasd: Maybe your rate is too small⦠I typically use 50ms and burst of 1540 |
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| 15:18.02 | asdasdasd | so what do u suggest |
| 15:18.06 | asdasdasd | what i should use? |
| 15:18.32 | filePeter | tc qdisc add dev ppp0 root tbf rate 150kbps latency 50ms burst 1540 |
| 15:18.55 | asdasdasd | question there are gamers on the network they need to be able to game online |
| 15:19.13 | asdasdasd | does this not slow down the ping? |
| 15:19.24 | filePeter | adam8157: Yeah. No Problem here⦠|
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| 15:20.04 | adam8157 | filePeter: oh? attack missed |
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| 15:21.20 | filePeter | adam8157: Well itâs been a while since I set my script up for my voip phone here⦠But it does great somehow⦠|
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| 15:22.39 | asdasdasd | file peter i have testen my ping is good but my speed is to low |
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| 15:24.33 | mreh | can I get 2.6.32 on squeeze yet? |
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| 15:27.16 | nike | mreh: It doesn't look like it has entered testing yet. That's too bad, I was banging my head against the wall waiting for it to come out for sid. |
| 15:27.24 | asdasdasd | filepeter it works now my speed meter hangs at 135 that is posseble the other 15 kb is maby for all the applications that i'm running but now my question is how do i setup that this works for all the computers in my network i wanne give every computer 150 kbps |
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| 15:28.07 | mreh | nike: apparently things get fixed faster in sid! I couldn't believe it when I read that |
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| 15:28.38 | mreh | nike: I'm going to install it and see what happens, it's always worth a crack :D |
| 15:28.53 | ehnvis | mreh: you can still get 2.6.32. I |
| 15:29.02 | ehnvis | i've been running it for weeks on my lenny |
| 15:29.09 | nike | mreh: yeah, but be careful. It isn't called unstable for nothing. |
| 15:29.12 | mreh | ehnvis: did you get it from sid? |
| 15:29.14 | ehnvis | but i always tend to build the kernels for myself |
| 15:29.20 | nike | You shouldn't use it on a production system. |
| 15:29.32 | mreh | nike: it's only my laptop |
| 15:29.48 | nike | I'm on my laptop with sid ;-) |
| 15:30.03 | mreh | nike: lenny with sid modules you mean? |
| 15:30.14 | nike | No, I have all sid packages only |
| 15:30.14 | mreh | you can't actually get sid |
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| 15:30.21 | nike | sure you can |
| 15:30.29 | nike | You can't actually get experimental on the other hand |
| 15:30.29 | mreh | nike: how did you do that? there aren't any sid isos |
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| 15:30.52 | nike | mreh: install squeeze, then edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to change all instances of squeeze to sid |
| 15:31.07 | nike | then apt-get dist-upgrade away! |
| 15:31.14 | HandyGandy | Hello, is there a "package management cookbook" out there? |
| 15:33.16 | mreh | nike: you're insane, or very experienced |
| 15:34.22 | nike | mreh: just a little of both. ;-) |
| 15:34.27 | HandyGandy | mreh: If you ask dpkg how to upgrade from squeeze to sid you will basically get the same answer. |
| 15:35.32 | mreh | what I need is a 2.6.32 kernel backport |
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| 15:36.00 | macrobat | isnt 2.6.32 in kmuto? |
| 15:36.54 | mreh | macrobat: what is kmuto? |
| 15:37.01 | mreh | i think it's in Jaunty |
| 15:37.13 | macrobat | !kmuto |
| 15:37.13 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 15:38.10 | macrobat | maybe it works on squeeze too |
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| 15:38.34 | mreh | squeeze runs 2.6.30 so far |
| 15:38.41 | mreh | i need at least 2.6.31 |
| 15:39.24 | filePeter | asdasdasd: Sorry, this is a different task⦠Have a look at the different qdisc in the doc like sbf, tbf, prio, ⦠|
| 15:39.25 | mreh | using a sid package on testing is such a silly idea though |
| 15:39.33 | nrg | in order to use twinview in clone mode (projector) is need to have install xinerama ?? |
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| 15:40.24 | mreh | how can I using apt-get to get sid packages once? |
| 15:40.32 | Justin | nrg: if all you want is cloned you likely have to do absolutely nothing |
| 15:40.40 | macrobat | mreh: not a good ides |
| 15:40.43 | macrobat | idea |
| 15:40.49 | Justin | nrg: since cloned would be the opposite of twinview |
| 15:40.49 | macrobat | !ssb |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 15:40.50 | mreh | macrobat: I want to try a backport |
| 15:41.02 | mreh | macrobat: thx |
| 15:41.31 | macrobat | i dont know ho well that would work with a kernel pkg |
| 15:42.03 | mreh | well I have an ubuntu image here, but I just made debian how I like it, I thought it might be worth a shot |
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| 15:42.15 | filePeter | asdasdasd: But considering setting fileters either with tc or with iptables mangling |
| 15:42.16 | mreh | i could upgrade to squeeze and then use a sid package |
| 15:42.17 | nrg | justin you mean that i can use my projector without configure twinwiev |
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| 15:42.43 | asdasdasd | filepeter i'm already using tc now but i dont use the mangling options |
| 15:42.52 | Justin | nrg: the default behavior on most video cards when hooked up to 2 monitors is to clone the displays |
| 15:42.55 | mreh | !testing |
| 15:42.55 | dpkg | testing is probably a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 15:43.00 | matt7676 | What is a vg0 interface? |
| 15:43.06 | asdasdasd | anyway i have testen i have 150 now total not for each computer |
| 15:43.09 | matt7676 | sorry, disk |
| 15:43.18 | asdasdasd | how should i do it if i want it for each computer? |
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| 15:43.48 | macrobat | matt7676: vg might mean a lvm volume group |
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| 15:44.03 | matt7676 | macrobat: ok, thanks! |
| 15:44.05 | macrobat | igk :) |
| 15:44.20 | macrobat | i dont know how to type :) |
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| 15:46.23 | filePeter | asdasdasd: Add a root qdisc with no limit. then add a class+qdisc for every computer⦠use tc filter to make a computer ip use the right class |
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| 15:47.34 | WhiteCrow1 | hi |
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| 15:48.13 | WhiteCrow1 | guy's i had to remove xorg.conf but i needed now how can i do ? |
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| 15:51.04 | asdasdasd | filepeter that means that i have to define all each ip adres that i wanne limit? |
| 15:51.50 | asdasdasd | is there no other way because else i have to write a script for more then 300 ip adresses a lot of work (if there is no faster way i'll will do it) |
| 15:52.18 | filePeter | asdasdasd: Oh⦠Ok⦠300 is quite some ammount⦠:-) |
| 15:52.27 | d1b | asdasdasd: what is it you want to do ? |
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| 15:52.48 | WhiteCrow1 | brb |
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| 15:52.56 | filePeter | d1b: Trafficshaping 300 PCs |
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| 15:53.03 | d1b | filePeter: good luck. |
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| 15:53.22 | d1b | asdasdasd: define rules for the different classes. |
| 15:53.29 | d1b | don't do it for 300 raw. |
| 15:55.53 | asdasdasd | hmm okee |
| 15:56.03 | asdasdasd | and then i can set a range in a class? |
| 15:56.09 | asdasdasd | a range of ip adresses? |
| 15:56.22 | d1b | asdasdasd: well if you really need to do them all differently go ahead. |
| 15:56.55 | filePeter | d1b: The thing is not to limit the sum of the bandwith of the 300pcs. But each bandwith available to each pc. So no PC is allowod the have more than n kbit/s⦠|
| 15:57.27 | Justin | make sure you make that burstable |
| 15:57.31 | filePeter | asdasdasd: The filtering is up to you⦠Use iptables⦠|
| 15:57.54 | filePeter | Justin: I really dunno wheather asdasdasd wants such. =) |
| 15:57.58 | xingu | titles this chapter "second-guessing tcp" |
| 15:58.05 | d1b | xingu: +1 |
| 15:58.22 | d1b | iptables +iproute is not as friendly as pf. |
| 15:58.31 | d1b | !kfreebsd |
| 15:58.31 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:58.51 | asdasdasd | no i dont need them all differently |
| 15:58.57 | asdasdasd | i just didnt know there was a easyer way |
| 15:59.15 | d1b | asdasdasd: use something like shorewall? |
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| 16:00.28 | xingu | observes that tcp will tend to fair-share a given path's bandwidth right out of the box |
| 16:01.03 | asdasdasd | i prefer to do it by hand |
| 16:01.09 | asdasdasd | i learn more about networking this way |
| 16:01.14 | d1b | xingu: hehee. |
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| 16:01.53 | d1b | asdasdasd: personally, i choose to use something that makes sense. pf is nicer when you hit complexity. or at least some wrapper for iptables. |
| 16:02.00 | d1b | it is easy to make mistakes. |
| 16:02.12 | xingu | asdasdasd: you're attempting to centralise the state held by all the per-socket timers on 300+ end systems; good luck. |
| 16:02.35 | d1b | xingu: that's what i was thinking too :P |
| 16:02.42 | d1b | xingu: windows size 0 ftw! |
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| 16:02.56 | asdasdasd | brb |
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| 16:04.08 | xingu | asdasdasd: it may be somewhat less insane to colour the traffic into local/non-local classes and then police on a per-port basis in your switch fabric |
| 16:04.28 | asdasdasd | what is want is the following if some people are gaming and somebody visit a website the website visit still need to be fast |
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| 16:05.06 | asdasdasd | olso i wanne prevent people from download. so that the speed is used for usefull things like gaming/browsing the web(i have a LAN party) |
| 16:05.45 | d1b | asdasdasd: so set up a rpxoy. |
| 16:05.48 | d1b | proxy* |
| 16:05.59 | asdasdasd | u mean like squid? |
| 16:06.04 | asdasdasd | yeah i know |
| 16:06.23 | asdasdasd | but how should i prevent them using torrent/limewire/kazza |
| 16:07.27 | ehnvis | asdasdasd: isnt it easier to use iptables to block unwanted traffic from going in/out of the LAN? |
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| 16:08.56 | asdasdasd | i already work wiuth iptables for a while |
| 16:09.07 | asdasdasd | but how should i use iptables to block that kind of things |
| 16:09.18 | asdasdasd | i only use it now to block ports |
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| 16:09.36 | d1b | asdasdasd: you may want to use layer 7 filtering. |
| 16:09.48 | d1b | you may also find that the cpu and latency dies |
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| 16:10.04 | d1b | the larger the rule set the worse performance you are going to have unless you optimise the rule set |
| 16:10.08 | d1b | with iptables. |
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| 16:13.57 | asdasdasd | hmm |
| 16:14.07 | asdasdasd | can u explane a bit what i can do with layer7 filtering |
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| 16:15.08 | xingu | asdasdasd: reimplement tcp's loss/delay estimator with a synthetic limit |
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| 16:16.07 | xingu | asdasdasd: all traffic control relies on the notion of a tx party who self regulates by controlling the total amount of data in flght (not all protocols do this) |
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| 16:17.06 | xingu | asdasdasd: you're trying to insert some translucent device in the middle of the traffic flow which senses the to-rx half of the flow and selectively drops data when it exceeds some configured bound |
| 16:18.07 | xingu | asdasdasd: to do a good job of this you're going to need to sample and sum all flows to a given destination to produce the per-destination bitrate |
| 16:18.29 | xingu | asdasdasd: you're also going to need to rely on the gods of the internet to actually backoff at source *rather than go into a retransmit storm* |
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| 16:19.42 | xingu | asdasdasd: the basic thing to wrap your head around is you can only control what you transmit (you can either elect to transmit, or to discard); what you can't readily do is control how *peers* elect to transmit. |
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| 16:21.21 | tkcaper | :-D |
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| 16:25.36 | xingu | asdasdasd: once you've had a bit of time to digest what I've said, take a look at http://www.roads.lut.ac.uk/txt/proactive-iptables.html |
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| 16:34.42 | lmaowaffle | hi all. i noticed during boot that there's some message about %k (assuming udev) but while i've enabled boot log, I see no mention of it |
| 16:35.03 | lmaowaffle | also briefly caught a glimpse of acolored error message looking something like ipv6only invalid |
| 16:36.23 | lmaowaffle | found one message: Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf)...error: "net.ipv6.bindv6only" is an unknown key |
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| 16:37.18 | lmaowaffle | this is in Squeeze |
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| 16:37.41 | peteweez | I just royally screwed up and I have a broken fglrx-driver. apt-get -f install wants to remove X. Is there a way I can upgrade X instead to fix the broken package? |
| 16:37.42 | azeem_ | lmaowaffle: what does uname -r say? |
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| 16:40.07 | lmaowaffle | azeem: hi |
| 16:40.20 | lmaowaffle | azeem: kernel from linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.32+23) |
| 16:42.22 | ootput | lmaowaffle: benign |
| 16:42.39 | lmaowaffle | ootput: ? |
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| 16:43.01 | ootput | you're using an unstable package on a testing system |
| 16:43.18 | ootput | not all features have been implemented yet, so you can safely ignore that error message |
| 16:43.28 | ootput | (unless you notice any problems) |
| 16:43.49 | lmaowaffle | ah ok. thanks |
| 16:44.34 | peteweez | If apt-get -f install wants to remove xserver-xorg, is there a way I can demand it upgrade it instead? |
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| 16:45.14 | lmaowaffle | would aptitude have been a better tool? |
| 16:45.49 | adb | peteweez, let it go and reinstall later xserver-xorg |
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| 16:46.50 | abrotman | adb: the package is 'xorg' |
| 16:47.01 | abrotman | or should be |
| 16:47.10 | abrotman | peteweez: put it in a pastebin to check |
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| 16:47.56 | abrotman | peteweez: perhaps try using aptitude .. and go through the options until you get the one oyu want |
| 16:48.38 | Lasher | I'm trying to build a package using dpkg-buildpackage. Got this error: "dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to puckman-1.0/puckman: binary file contents changed". Anyone? |
| 16:49.20 | peteweez | adb: if I let it go will it kill the currently running X? |
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| 16:49.55 | babilen | Lasher: you probably need to update the changelog. Have a look at 'dch' |
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| 16:50.32 | babilen | Lasher: HAve you made changes to the orig tar ball? |
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| 16:51.14 | tkcaper | 12 .. |
| 16:51.30 | Lasher | dch? |
| 16:51.33 | mreh | i don't understand how gdm can restart without x going down |
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| 16:52.12 | babilen | Lasher: yes - it's in the devscripts package |
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| 16:53.34 | babilen | Lasher: It might help if you explain what you are doing/what you have done |
| 16:53.48 | Lasher | in the tarball, there wasn't any puckman, but it makes sense because you have to compile it |
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| 16:54.15 | Lasher | so the only change I've made is yielding the puckman file by running "make" |
| 16:55.07 | Justin | Lasher: did you write your debian dir from scratch or did you use something like dh_make? |
| 16:55.27 | Lasher | I used dh_make |
| 16:56.04 | Justin | ok then, since you ran dh_make, what did you do to break it? |
| 16:56.25 | Lasher | I edited some debian/ files |
| 16:56.58 | azeem | Lasher: apparently your clean rule does not remove puckman-1.0/puckman |
| 16:57.21 | Lasher | that's interesting |
| 16:57.42 | Lasher | I commented out the make clean command in the rules file because there's no target to satisfy "clean" |
| 16:58.02 | azeem | then the upstream Makefile lacks a clean rule |
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| 16:58.27 | Lasher | alright I'll check this out |
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| 16:59.41 | babilen | Lasher: Do you know #debian-mentors@OFTC ? |
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| 17:00.45 | asdasdasd | sound very interesting |
| 17:01.16 | xxploit | hello, would someone be able to give me a hand at installing the oss4 modules with module assistant. Ive installed oss4-base/oss4-source through apt but am unsure how I use module assistant to install the modules in oss4-source |
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| 17:01.43 | xxploit | hello, would someone be able to give me a hand at installing the oss4 modules with module assistant. Ive installed oss4-base oss4-source through apt but am unsure how I use module assistant to install the modules in oss4-source |
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| 17:02.20 | ehnvis | xxploit: why on earth do you want oss for? |
| 17:03.11 | xxploit | ehnvis, oss4 provides better sound for me, also i like using it by itself rather than a alsa/pulse combo |
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| 17:03.38 | abrotman | longs for the day when all these sound people work together |
| 17:03.43 | azeem | xxploit: m-a is pretty self-explanatory |
| 17:04.19 | xxploit | azeem, yes but oss4-source just installs itself as a compressed package in /usr/src how do i get m-a to pick up those modules |
| 17:04.26 | ehnvis | xxploit: you dont have to use pulse, i dont and wont do in the near future. |
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| 17:04.43 | xxploit | azeem, running m-a by itself just brings up a list of available modules but not the oss4 ones |
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| 17:05.56 | xxploit | ehnvis, i like to be able to use multiple apps with sound running, and dmix doesnt seemed to work for me with alsa not using pulse |
| 17:06.28 | Lasher | ok |
| 17:06.49 | Lasher | I only get a warning: "dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Failed to sign .dsc and .changes file" |
| 17:06.59 | ehnvis | xxploit: got ya |
| 17:07.47 | johndoe | ive got debian installed on /dev/sda3 and arch newly installed on /dev/sda6. how do i update grub? |
| 17:07.48 | ehnvis | xxploit: i never had to use more than one sound source anyway as i prefer working in a console using screen. |
| 17:08.09 | Lasher | johndoe: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 17:08.41 | johndoe | Lasher: does it matter that grub is on /dev/sda3 and the kernel and vmlinuz is on /dev/sda6? |
| 17:09.01 | xxploit | ehnvis, i use screen alot also, but i game too...so im running sound thru games and then listing to music which doesnt work for me just using alsa by itself |
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| 17:09.10 | asdasdasd | xingu is there any sellutions to block encrypted pear to pear traffic |
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| 17:09.54 | Lasher | johndoe: not at all, actually that's the purpose of grub |
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| 17:10.38 | xingu | asdasdasd: sure, if you have no decoder, don't transmit it at all. |
| 17:10.51 | johndoe | Lasher: can i make grub autodetect all of this? update-grub doesnt find the new distro :/ |
| 17:11.05 | johndoe | and ive tried editing by hand and i did something wrong |
| 17:12.01 | asdasdasd | xingu: i see u use snort to block pear 2 pear |
| 17:12.04 | asdasdasd | do u know ipp2p |
| 17:12.10 | asdasdasd | i hear that is a module for iptables |
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| 17:12.55 | asdasdasd | what is the best way to block newsgroups (grabbit etc,) |
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| 17:13.48 | Justin | asdasdasd: drop traffic to the nntp ports would get most of it |
| 17:13.54 | Justin | asdasdasd: or just use snort for that too |
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| 17:14.40 | asdasdasd | nntp is that a port or a protocol? |
| 17:14.46 | Justin | both |
| 17:14.52 | asdasdasd | ahh okee |
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| 17:15.01 | asdasdasd | what is the best way to block that using iptables? |
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| 17:15.16 | Justin | same way you would block ssh or http |
| 17:15.29 | asdasdasd | for ssh or http i just block 21 and 80 |
| 17:15.44 | abrotman | maybe he should just block everything and only allow a few things ? |
| 17:15.58 | asdasdasd | i already use that now:P |
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| 17:16.17 | Justin | if you really want to lock things down don't even route traffic, force everyone to use a proxy server |
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| 17:16.45 | Justin | it's annoying as hell for users but very effective :) |
| 17:16.48 | asdasdasd | yeah i wanne use that to |
| 17:16.52 | asdasdasd | squid |
| 17:17.19 | asdasdasd | i use the system that block all ports |
| 17:17.28 | asdasdasd | exept what i open |
| 17:17.31 | asdasdasd | but that not a very good system |
| 17:17.41 | asdasdasd | alot of games dont work etc |
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| 17:19.19 | asdasdasd | justin u mean use iptables to redirect the port 80 traffic |
| 17:19.22 | asdasdasd | and then use squid? |
| 17:19.51 | Justin | that, or dont even use iptables, force them to manually setup the proxy |
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| 17:20.22 | asdasdasd | explane |
| 17:20.35 | asdasdasd | what u mean with force them to manaully setup the proxy |
| 17:20.51 | asdasdasd | u mean configure there internet explorer to use the proxy server? |
| 17:21.42 | asdasdasd | xingu what u mean with if u have no decoder |
| 17:21.49 | asdasdasd | to decode encrypted traffic? |
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| 17:23.36 | asdasdasd | xingu: can i use iptables to just drop encrypted traffic? wil i not harm any other connections with it? |
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| 17:30.32 | subchee | hello |
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| 17:30.56 | subchee | is here somebody using Google Chrome on Lenny? |
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| 17:34.37 | abrotman | subchee: and if they did, what question would you ask them? |
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| 17:37.01 | majk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.51 | babilen | !tell majk -about blacklist |
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| 17:45.19 | nse | Hello. Totem can't play my audio CD's. It is complaining: "No URI handler implemented for "cdda"." Do I need a package? |
| 17:46.16 | pipeline | nse: gnome-vfs-cdda |
| 17:46.42 | pipeline | wait that's not right |
| 17:46.45 | pipeline | beats the eck outta me |
| 17:46.48 | pipeline | but I think totem does use gnome vfs |
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| 17:47.36 | azeem | depending on the version, it might use gvfs |
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| 17:52.24 | majk | babilen: thnx, but I've tryied it (what dpkg bot say) also what is described on wiki, but without success. In my virtual machine are loaded both 8139cp and 8139too module. It's problem - networking goes slow. SOllution (from google) is to remove both modules after boot and load only 8139cp (and really network goes well). |
| 17:53.05 | majk | when I try to create blcklist.local.conf or 8139too.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ directory and in this files add line like blacklist 8139too |
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| 17:53.34 | majk | there're always after reboot loaded both modules |
| 17:53.40 | cahoot | majk: don't forget to rebuild the initramfs |
| 17:54.01 | Justin | majk: also check /etc/modules |
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| 17:54.50 | majk | cahoot: this modules are not in initramfs |
| 17:55.18 | majk | Justin: do you mean /etc/modules ? (there's only loop module) |
| 17:56.37 | valdyn | majk: how do you know that they are not in the initramfs? |
| 17:58.10 | Lasher | How to add an entry of a home-build package in Applications/Games menu of GNOME, for instance? (with dh_installmenu it's located in Debian menu -- /usr/share/menu) |
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| 17:58.32 | valdyn | Lasher: run update-menus |
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| 17:59.18 | Lasher | already done, doesn't seem to work |
| 17:59.21 | valdyn | Lasher: nvm, see /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop |
| 17:59.30 | Lasher | (actually added in postrm and postinst) |
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| 18:01.10 | Lasher | okay |
| 18:01.26 | majk | valdyn: I've checked /etc/initramfs-tools/* files, strings for /boot/initrd....img and also I've ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 18:01.57 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 18:01.57 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 18:02.18 | valdyn | majk: ^^ |
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| 18:04.20 | majk | valdyn |
| 18:04.34 | majk | as I wrote, I've alredy done it. |
| 18:04.49 | valdyn | majk: so you have already run 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf' ? |
| 18:04.55 | majk | yes |
| 18:05.04 | valdyn | majk: update your initramfs after that |
| 18:05.13 | majk | I've done it. |
| 18:05.18 | valdyn | majk: you havent |
| 18:05.34 | valdyn | majk: theres no way to cheat this, except manually running insmod |
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| 18:06.11 | majk | also I've tryied (only rename) blacklist.local.conf to 8139.conf |
| 18:06.17 | majk | 8139too.conf |
| 18:06.26 | valdyn | majk: thats redundant |
| 18:06.30 | majk | I know |
| 18:06.48 | valdyn | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 18:06.48 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
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| 18:07.13 | valdyn | majk: its possible that your initramfs is not really generated |
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| 18:07.19 | valdyn | majk: the the timestamp on it |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | majk: *check* the timestamp on it |
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| 18:08.41 | majk | valdyn: btw, in blacklist.local.conf should be both "blacklist 8139too" and "install 8139too /bin/true" or only the "install 8139 too /bin/true" line ? |
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| 18:09.28 | PyroPhelia | can anybody recommend some good benchmarking software for hard drives? |
| 18:09.40 | azeem | bonnie maybe |
| 18:09.44 | valdyn | majk: install 8139too /bin/true is stronger and includes the "blacklist ..." |
| 18:09.52 | majk | ok |
| 18:10.04 | PyroPhelia | ah |
| 18:10.12 | PyroPhelia | yea i've used it before, thanks. I couldn't remember the name |
| 18:10.22 | majk | I have both lines ..not I try only install line ..and of course again dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:11.00 | majk | Running depmod.; Running mkinitramfs-kpkg.; Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled ; (2.6.26-15 was configured last, according to dpkg) ; Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled; (2.6.26-15 was configured last, according to dpkg) |
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| 18:11.21 | majk | timestamp of /boot/initrd...img is actual |
| 18:11.24 | majk | reboot now |
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| 18:14.57 | majk | hm, kernel panic ;) |
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| 18:21.12 | majk | valdyn: thnx it works. But I don't know why it was not working for first time |
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| 18:22.33 | free_fox | hello I am trying to install mysql++ but configure is failing with libmysqlclient-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient16 (= 5.1.41-3~bpo50+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:22.40 | free_fox | can anyone help ? thanks. |
| 18:22.48 | majk | valdyn: also I don't understand the kernel panic ..I've booted rescue cd and did linux-image reinstallation. After this, system booted and 8139too module was not loaded |
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| 18:23.33 | azeem | free_fox: why do you want to install libmysqlclient-dev |
| 18:23.48 | cahoot | majk: divine intervention |
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| 18:24.29 | free_fox | azeem, Sorry I got the following error on running ./configure. -> checking for MySQL library directory... configure: error: Didn't find mysqlclient library in '/usr/lib64 /usr/lib /usr/lib64/mysql /usr/lib/mysql /usr/local/lib64 /usr/ |
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| 18:24.53 | azeem | so install libmysqlclient-dev :) |
| 18:24.54 | free_fox | So I thought that I need to install the development libraries for the mysql |
| 18:25.11 | azeem | hrm |
| 18:25.16 | free_fox | azeem, and yes I tried to that but I am struck in the deadlock as one thing asks for the other. |
| 18:25.40 | azeem | actually, what is mysql++? |
| 18:25.52 | valdyn | c++ bindings to libmysql? |
| 18:26.12 | free_fox | MySQL++ is a C++ wrapper for MySQLs C API |
| 18:26.33 | azeem | free_fox: why don't you install that directly? |
| 18:26.44 | azeem | via the package manager, I mean |
| 18:27.03 | valdyn | libmysql++-dev - MySQL C++ library bindings (development) |
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| 18:27.48 | azeem | libmysql++3 - MySQL C++ library bindings (runtime) |
| 18:27.53 | free_fox | its not available in the repos ( likely unpopular among the masses ) |
| 18:28.12 | valdyn | judd: versions libmysql++-dev |
| 18:28.13 | judd | valdyn: libmysql++-dev -- etch: 2.0.7-3 lenny: 3.0.0-1 sid: 3.0.9-1+b1 squeeze: 3.0.9-1+b1 |
| 18:28.13 | free_fox | valdyn, I will try that |
| 18:28.23 | azeem | eh, no |
| 18:28.37 | azeem | free_fox: what do you need mysql++ for? |
| 18:28.37 | HentaiWolf | hiho |
| 18:28.54 | HentaiWolf | can someone help me to get internet on my debian vm? |
| 18:29.14 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: on which host? |
| 18:29.14 | HentaiWolf | i dont know how to describe the problem |
| 18:29.20 | free_fox | valdyn, its installing libmysql++-dev . |
| 18:29.25 | HentaiWolf | on xenserver |
| 18:29.37 | azeem | free_fox: 19:27 < azeem> free_fox: what do you need mysql++ for? |
| 18:29.40 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: read your xen documentation |
| 18:29.45 | HentaiWolf | i read it |
| 18:29.55 | HentaiWolf | but debian dont like the internet |
| 18:29.56 | free_fox | azeem, I am working on a C++ project where I need to use mysql for stored procedures. |
| 18:30.03 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: thats a little vague |
| 18:30.05 | azeem | ok |
| 18:30.11 | free_fox | azeem, :) |
| 18:30.14 | ice799 | war9407: i think you meant iceroot and not ice799 ;P |
| 18:30.28 | HentaiWolf | i am installing debian and he wont let me give him the ip |
| 18:30.32 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: what kind of network access is your xen supporting that your debian guest could use? |
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| 18:30.56 | HentaiWolf | valdyn |
| 18:31.12 | HentaiWolf | what do you mean |
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| 18:31.20 | HentaiWolf | i have a windows machine too on the vm |
| 18:31.24 | HentaiWolf | that runs fine |
| 18:31.31 | HentaiWolf | with the same ip config |
| 18:31.35 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: how did you configure the windows machines network? |
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| 18:32.06 | HentaiWolf | i said add network in xen give him the mac address and then in windows i made a static ip |
| 18:32.18 | HentaiWolf | u want to hear the ip sm gw dns? |
| 18:32.24 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: no |
| 18:32.37 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: now give debian a valid ip and the same gw and the same dns |
| 18:32.45 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: what could be the problem with that? |
| 18:32.46 | HentaiWolf | he wont let me do it |
| 18:33.03 | HentaiWolf | in the installation |
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| 18:33.05 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: whats the error message? |
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| 18:33.12 | HentaiWolf | couldnt reach network |
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| 18:33.17 | HentaiWolf | or moment |
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| 18:33.59 | Almindor | hello |
| 18:34.21 | Almindor | if one wanted to code package management functionality into his program what library should be used? I didn't find anything like "libdpkg" |
| 18:34.48 | valdyn | Almindor: you have to use dpkg directly |
| 18:34.51 | azeem | Almindor: what kind of program? |
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| 18:34.57 | Almindor | so there's no api for it? |
| 18:35.01 | valdyn | Almindor: or use libapt for the higher level |
| 18:35.21 | valdyn | Almindor: theres only dpkg as the lowest level |
| 18:35.25 | Almindor | well basically I'd need a way to install packages, do updates and read info (dependencies, packager etc.) |
| 18:35.27 | HentaiWolf | valdyn http://666kb.com/i/bfhmmjhadoldxzp9n.jpg |
| 18:35.37 | azeem | Almindor: are you writing a package manager? |
| 18:35.39 | Almindor | no |
| 18:35.43 | Almindor | a test system |
| 18:35.50 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: gateway unreachable means that its not in the same subnet |
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| 18:36.04 | HentaiWolf | the config is not different |
| 18:36.06 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: windows does some very stupid things that might work to your advantage in this case |
| 18:36.15 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: show us gw and ip |
| 18:36.15 | HentaiWolf | ah ok |
| 18:36.29 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: and your netmask |
| 18:36.30 | HentaiWolf | but in the xendoku stand the ip |
| 18:36.35 | HentaiWolf | ok |
| 18:36.38 | HentaiWolf | ill show |
| 18:36.40 | free_fox | valdyn, thanks its working. :) . I needed libmysql++-dev. thanks again buddy :) |
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| 18:37.40 | HentaiWolf | 94.23.167.61 ip 255.255.255.255 nm 94.23.225.18 |
| 18:37.40 | Almindor | ok so it's either directly using programs (dpkg/apt-get/etc.) or libapt |
| 18:37.40 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: please describe the ip range belonging to the network |
| 18:37.40 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: the netmask is defenitely wrong |
| 18:38.39 | HentaiWolf | hmm i just took it from the help |
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| 18:38.54 | HentaiWolf | in windows its just a other ip |
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| 18:39.33 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: you can use 255.255.0.0 as a netmask |
| 18:39.39 | HentaiWolf | ok |
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| 18:39.47 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: that wont give you a completely functional network, but the gateway will be reachable |
| 18:40.13 | HentaiWolf | and how do i get a functional network? |
| 18:40.22 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: beside that your ip adress is Class A, thats a bad idea |
| 18:40.23 | dkr | yeah, you'd need a /16 to include 94.23.225.18 in the range |
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| 18:41.32 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: it means that this ip belongs to OVH GmbH in germany, which is probably not you |
| 18:41.41 | HentaiWolf | yes |
| 18:41.45 | HentaiWolf | thats my server |
| 18:41.55 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: ok |
| 18:42.04 | HentaiWolf | i get 4 ips |
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| 18:42.21 | HentaiWolf | 3 vmac addresses so i can run 3 vms |
| 18:42.32 | HentaiWolf | one windows and 2 debian |
| 18:42.36 | HentaiWolf | thats my plan xD |
| 18:42.41 | proto | hi 4 all )) |
| 18:42.55 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: you can install debian with this anyway |
| 18:43.06 | HentaiWolf | no |
| 18:43.16 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: no what? |
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| 18:43.20 | HentaiWolf | i tried it yesterday |
| 18:43.21 | proto | I really need some advice, can someone suggest me |
| 18:43.31 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: you used 255.255.0.0 as netmask yesterday? |
| 18:43.33 | HentaiWolf | and he couldnt reach the packet server |
| 18:43.50 | HentaiWolf | valdyn i am on it 4 days i tried many things ^^" |
| 18:44.00 | HentaiWolf | here is my last hope xD |
| 18:44.05 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: thats not useful to me "many things" |
| 18:44.14 | HentaiWolf | i know |
| 18:44.17 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: use that netmask and give feedback if it works or not |
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| 18:44.35 | proto | there was debian installed at notebook, then gparted live cd used for resize |
| 18:45.07 | proto | and now after resize it is reporting that "deleted inode referenced" |
| 18:45.20 | valdyn | Ovh gmbh owns the /21 range |
| 18:45.38 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: and you got a subnet or 4 distinct ip from that |
| 18:45.50 | Ara4n | hi all - how do I found out what packages were installed on a random mounted (but not booted) debian drive? |
| 18:45.58 | HentaiWolf | i got 4 ips |
| 18:46.14 | proto | before it started to check disk and reply about "deleted inode referenced" I've used ubuntu live cd and resized partitions was mounted in ro |
| 18:46.18 | valdyn | Ara4n: read /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 18:46.25 | filePeter | Ara4n: maybe symlink the file dpkg needs? |
| 18:46.45 | proto | SO now it is running disk checking utility for few days ... |
| 18:46.51 | Ara4n | valdyn: is there an index as to what's actually installed, or do I just guess from the filenames? |
| 18:46.54 | HentaiWolf | 94.23.225.18 host system 94.23.167.60 win system 94.23.167.61 that i want linux and another for linux i have tooo |
| 18:47.02 | valdyn | Ara4n: /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 18:47.31 | valdyn | HentaiWolf: have you finally tried yet? |
| 18:47.34 | Ara4n | valdyn: i'm in there - but i'm trying to work out what file to look at to say which of the packages mentioned in info were actually installed, and at what version |
| 18:47.41 | proto | Can someone tell me is it's recovering previous partitions scheme or deleting everything and I should stop it as soon as possible??? |
| 18:47.43 | PyroPhelia | when trying to umount a device, and the system says can't because the device is busy, how do I find out what's using it" |
| 18:47.48 | HentaiWolf | instlaling |
| 18:47.52 | HentaiWolf | installing |
| 18:48.16 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: fuser /dev/whatever |
| 18:48.37 | HentaiWolf | ok |
| 18:48.44 | HentaiWolf | scanning the mirror....... |
| 18:48.52 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: err fuser /path/to/mountpoint |
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| 18:49.20 | PyroPhelia | erm |
| 18:49.22 | PyroPhelia | command not found |
| 18:49.28 | valdyn | !installit |
| 18:49.28 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 18:49.44 | PyroPhelia | no kidding, it's not in apt either |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | !tell PyroPhelia -about search |
| 18:50.03 | lotus-blade | what is the best media player to use? Movieplayer sucks |
| 18:50.10 | valdyn | !best |
| 18:50.10 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 18:50.16 | Scurz | lotus-blade: vlc, mplayer |
| 18:50.36 | valdyn | movieplayer is in debian? |
| 18:50.36 | lotus-blade | there is a vlc for debian? |
| 18:50.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:50.48 | Ara4n | assumes cat /mnt/old/var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -B1 ^Status:.*installed | grep Package # will tell him what he needds to know |
| 18:50.49 | valdyn | lotus-blade: thats probably totem you are referring to as "Movie Player" |
| 18:50.51 | Scurz | lotus-blade: of course |
| 18:51.08 | valdyn | Ara4n: excellent |
| 18:51.18 | HentaiWolf | valdyn bad archive mirror |
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| 18:51.32 | HentaiWolf | cant reach a mirror |
| 18:51.36 | lotus-blade | yes it is totem that keeps freezing on me |
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| 18:52.45 | n-iCe | hi I lost my sound after install by mistake libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio |
| 18:52.56 | n-iCe | What can I do? |
| 18:53.00 | valdyn | nike: aptitude install libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 18:53.10 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 18:53.47 | proto | is it safe to terminate disk checking? |
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| 18:54.45 | proto | it checking disk for some days |
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| 18:55.20 | proto | I've used gparted live cd to resize partitions |
| 18:55.36 | the-light | HI, i want to install new software in debian lenny how can i do to install ? |
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| 18:56.52 | jaggz | what do you use to manage a "fakeraid" mirror? (drives on the motherboard's sata raid support) |
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| 18:57.22 | jaggz | fdisk sdb shows my partitions, but there are no numbered /dev/sdbX devices |
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| 18:57.39 | ehnvis | the-light: aptitude install <program> ? |
| 18:58.20 | jaggz | having problems with rebuilding my raid mirror :( |
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| 19:00.23 | ctmjr | msg dpkg software |
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| 19:01.23 | jaggz | using dmraid -x to remove the mapping so I can work on this thing.. it says the pdc_xxxxxx is active and cannot be deleted :( |
| 19:01.39 | jaggz | but it doesn't seem to be mounted.. what could be using it? |
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| 19:01.57 | lotus-blade | anyone found a netflicks solution yet? |
| 19:02.32 | SilentFox | hello |
| 19:03.40 | the-light | ehnvis: thnx, plz give me web addres backdoor |
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| 19:04.23 | ehnvis | the-light: what the heck are you asking for? |
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| 19:06.28 | jaggz | I don't understand why sdb would not show its partitions in /dev/ |
| 19:06.46 | jaggz | sda seems to be the one mapped (dmraid -r shows it) |
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| 19:07.37 | SilentFox | guys i want to use new software i heheard to install new software wit backport or backdoor or Something like this for install new software anyone can description for my ? |
| 19:07.42 | SilentFox | me* |
| 19:08.15 | zleap | backports |
| 19:08.35 | zleap | have a look for the software sources application in the ubuntu system - admin (I think) menu |
| 19:08.52 | ehnvis | zleap: ubuntu? where in debian here.. |
| 19:09.12 | zleap | oh sorry |
| 19:09.30 | zleap | well perhasp there is a similar application to enable other repositories |
| 19:09.31 | plasmid | Hi... my New Year's resolution is to quit using Windows and start using debian... I went to the site but there are 40 CD's that i have to download or 6 DVD's. THere is also a netinst but I would like a fairly encompassing overall CD for my laptop. What are your recommendations? also.. stable or testing? |
| 19:10.00 | FIReun | plasmid: this is your first linux experience? |
| 19:10.11 | manugg | plasmid: if you do netinst, you can download any extra packages you want during the install or afterwards. |
| 19:10.20 | ehnvis | plasmid: if you have a non limited bandwidth i recommend netinstall and testing work but might break at any time. |
| 19:10.22 | plasmid | yes it is.. i've read about it.. and some of my colleagues highly recommned it. |
| 19:10.48 | plasmid | non limited at this moment. I am at home. |
| 19:11.14 | SilentFox | how can i use lanny backports ? |
| 19:11.15 | FIReun | plasmid: netinstall is the way to go to get just what you want, but the options can be fairly overwealming - others here may not prefer me to suggest it, but you may be better served "trying" something setup for new users like ubuntu to start |
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| 19:12.01 | plasmid | I prefer Debian. I like what it stands for and it's stability... I will tinker with it for a while. :-) |
| 19:12.07 | FIReun | plasmid: debian doesnt hold your hand as much as others -- debian is the better way to go, just not the simplest (: |
| 19:12.09 | manugg | plasmid: linux mint (which is similar to ubuntu and debian) is a great choice for beginners. it is very easy to set up and should detect your devices. i'd suggest looking into that. |
| 19:12.16 | FIReun | plasmid: then netinstall if you can |
| 19:12.32 | babilen | !tell SilentFox -about bpo |
| 19:12.44 | SilentFox | babilen: tnx |
| 19:13.07 | plasmid | i have some UNIX experience so that should help me somewhat. |
| 19:14.48 | babilen | plasmid: Debian is a great choice, but you should be willing to spend some time learning the system. There is a lot of really good documentation to read and we will also try to help you with that step. |
| 19:15.02 | babilen | !tell plasmid -about ig |
| 19:15.05 | babilen | !tell plasmid -about reference |
| 19:15.09 | plasmid | Thank you all. :-) |
| 19:15.13 | babilen | plasmid: Those two should get you started. |
| 19:15.28 | babilen | plasmid: you are running windows right now? |
| 19:15.40 | plasmid | yes windows xp on my laptop. |
| 19:15.51 | babilen | !goodbye-microsoft |
| 19:15.51 | dpkg | i guess debian.exe is a way of installing Debian Lenny from Windows using a network connection, available from http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ . It copies <GRUB2> to C: drive, downloads a <netboot> kernel/initrd from a Debian mirror, and creates entries in NTLDR's boot.ini for loading Debian-Installer via grub4dos. See also <win32-loader> |
| 19:16.17 | babilen | plasmid: ^^^ no need to burn the netinstall CD |
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| 19:16.40 | plasmid | oh wow. That is amazing. |
| 19:16.57 | babilen | plasmid: will you be able to come here while you install? |
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| 19:17.25 | plasmid | I believe so. Let me go to this website and follow the instructions. |
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| 19:17.51 | Badzo | hello |
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| 19:18.17 | babilen | plasmid: Read the installation guide. It explains the whole endeavour in great detail |
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| 19:18.32 | Badzo | I am sorry to interrupt you, but is it possible to create a shortcut on gnome panel which would lead directly to a virtual machine in virtualbox? |
| 19:19.17 | babilen | I would think so... Can't you "create/add a custom launcher" when you right click on the panel? |
| 19:19.33 | FIReun | plasmid: wired or wireless network? |
| 19:19.43 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:20.13 | Badzo | I mean, like, I dont want run virtualbox' virtual machine choser |
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| 19:20.34 | Badzo | i want to run, eg. windows Xp just by one click |
| 19:20.39 | Badzo | and i wonder if it is possible |
| 19:20.41 | FIReun | plasmid: your wired connection will likely work witht he netinstall, the wireless one you should check to see if its supported (ditto your video card) |
| 19:20.55 | FIReun | Badzo: microsoft thinks its two clicks |
| 19:21.20 | Badzo | well then I am better by 100% :) |
| 19:21.20 | FIReun | (; |
| 19:21.51 | Badzo | anyway, i believe i've seen this trick on a youtube movie |
| 19:21.57 | FIReun | Badzo: sounds like a question more for the virtualbox guys |
| 19:22.05 | FIReun | Badzo: and less of a debian question |
| 19:22.14 | Lasher | puckman_1.0-1_i386.deb finally released! :) |
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| 19:22.19 | babilen | Badzo: I don't know virtualbox, but can you start the virtual machine from the command line? |
| 19:22.27 | plasmid | I went to a site that gives me a rundown of most all laptops compatability with linux. Mine which is a Compaq Presario R3140US is compatible with another distribution called Slackware. |
| 19:22.27 | babilen | Lasher: \o/ |
| 19:22.45 | tuv | in my new laptop wireless (intel - requires fw only) was easier to get going than wired (some weired acer stuff) |
| 19:22.47 | babilen | plasmid: How do you connect to the internet? |
| 19:22.58 | Badzo | babilen: I dont know if it is possible, that's why I came here to ask |
| 19:23.07 | Lasher | thanks for the help |
| 19:23.18 | FIReun | plasmid: I've got an older compaq presario, nothing unsupported really, you'll likely be fine |
| 19:23.41 | plasmid | babilen, on a wired connection. |
| 19:23.45 | FIReun | plasmid: any linux distro qualifies hardware as likely to run on another (mostly, depending on your opinion of binary drivers) |
| 19:23.48 | babilen | Badzo: Ask in #virtualbox if you can start the vm from the command line and we will help you to automate that |
| 19:24.00 | Badzo | okay |
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| 19:24.31 | babilen | plasmid: You should be fine then. Can you give me details about your network adaptor? |
| 19:25.07 | babilen | plasmid: Like the name or chipset or something like that |
| 19:25.51 | delby | plasmid: when i started using linux i tried several of the more configurable distros. i found slackware and gentoo to be very dificult for beginners, and arch and debian to be very good. hope it helps your choics. |
| 19:25.54 | plasmid | I Have a broadcom wireless adapter and a realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet NIC |
| 19:26.26 | babilen | delby: Installing gentoo teaches a lot about linux ... you might not want to use it afterwards though ;-) |
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| 19:26.37 | babilen | !rtl8139 |
| 19:26.37 | dpkg | i heard rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. See also <rtl81x9.c>. |
| 19:28.06 | delby | babilen: i just could not get gentoo to work for me. maybe one day when i'm more experienced i will give it a go again :) |
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| 19:28.44 | Lasher | actually I'm using gentoo mostly |
| 19:28.49 | FIReun | plasmid: your broadcom based wifi will likely either use the b43 driver, or you'll have to use ndiswrapper and the windows driver |
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| 19:29.05 | FIReun | !broadcom |
| 19:29.05 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43> or <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 19:29.16 | FIReun | babilen: d-: |
| 19:29.26 | plasmid | i hope Debian will be able to configure that but i have no problems configuring it. |
| 19:30.29 | FIReun | well start with the wired install |
| 19:30.33 | FIReun | it'll be faster as well |
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| 19:31.12 | babilen | plasmid: It looks like it. |
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| 19:32.23 | plasmid | hmm.. the installer stopped and said: can't find C:\boot.ini then "Are u sure this is Windows XP?" Err... yes |
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| 19:32.50 | iceroot | plasmid: what installer? |
| 19:33.09 | babilen | the goodbye-microsoft one |
| 19:33.11 | plasmid | http://www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | the installer used 'u' ? |
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| 19:34.22 | babilen | plasmid: Use the netinstall or CD/DVD 1 for the install then. |
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| 19:35.14 | plasmid | Downloading netinstall mini- CD |
| 19:36.13 | plasmid | brb |
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| 19:37.14 | nike | Aww, I was looking forward to seeing that goodbye-microsoft thing work. |
| 19:37.31 | nike | I've never heard of it before. |
| 19:37.38 | nike | Looks awesome =] |
| 19:38.04 | babilen | was not in the mood to debug that problem |
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| 19:38.31 | nike | who made it? |
| 19:38.34 | nike | How new is it? |
| 19:38.35 | delby | plasmid: what are you trying to do? replace windows, double boot xp/debian or install debian as vm on xp host? |
| 19:41.52 | smacnay | Where can I read about the Debian DVD ripping status. I understand that Deb disabled the ability to rip DVD's recently? |
| 19:42.24 | Lasher | omg it seems *that* long to add a package in the debian repositories... |
| 19:43.22 | HandyGandy | Hello, is there a "package management cookbook" out there? |
| 19:43.33 | babilen | Lasher: huh? You mean it is hard to find a sponsor? |
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| 19:44.09 | Lasher | I don't know, I'm just sinking on debian.org/devel :/ |
| 19:44.20 | babilen | HandyGandy: About creating packages or about using them? What do you want to know? |
| 19:44.31 | PyroPhelia | would the block size of a software raid 6 matter when formatting LVs with xfs? |
| 19:44.33 | jmarsden | HandyGandy: Try http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html perhaps? |
| 19:45.30 | babilen | Lasher: Have you been to #debian-mentors at irc.debian.org ? Which programming language is puckman written in? |
| 19:45.31 | PyroPhelia | what I mean is, is it possible to "line up" the stripewidth of my software raid 6 (128K blocks) with the xfs fs through lvm2? It doesn't seem possible |
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| 19:46.46 | beware | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523722 <-- this bug was fixed upstream, on 2009-09-07. i request that this fix gets into lenny |
| 19:46.52 | datenritter | when i create lvm physical or logical volumes on an external drive - can i just plug that drive into another box and it will work there? or do i have to fix some configuration/database/import the volume somehow? |
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| 19:47.11 | HandyGandy | jmarsden: Close but something perhaps a bit more substantial? |
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| 19:47.50 | Lasher | babilen: not yet. As you may have know, I'm quite know to all this stuff. :p puckman is written in C |
| 19:48.09 | babilen | beware: Update the BTS with that information or a patch against the Debian source package |
| 19:48.41 | jmarsden | HandyGandy: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ (the latter is obsolete so be careful) |
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| 19:49.22 | babilen | !tell HandyGandy -about reference |
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| 19:49.29 | babilen | HandyGandy: something like ^^^ ? |
| 19:49.56 | simonrvn | beware: here is *not* the place to tell people. |
| 19:50.14 | jmarsden | babilen: I wouldn't call that a "cookbook", but it is definitely more substantial :) |
| 19:50.21 | babilen | jmarsden: yes |
| 19:50.34 | asdasdasd | if i wanne install the l7 filter what version i need to kernel or userspace ? |
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| 19:53.22 | asdasdasd | somebody ??? |
| 19:53.55 | FIReun | hmm, "FATAL loading Fan Module /lib/module/<path>" I said NOACPI ACPI=OFF on boot! |
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| 19:54.44 | babilen | judd: versions libnetfilter-conntrack1 |
| 19:54.45 | judd | babilen: libnetfilter-conntrack1 -- etch: 0.0.31-1 lenny: 0.0.96-1 |
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| 19:55.09 | asdasdasd | babilen do u need the userspace or kernel version of l7-filteR? |
| 19:55.15 | zOOz | hi all. I am finishing my VCP4, looking for some volunteering part time job. I have got some other IT skills like linux/networking etc. If anyone interested, just pm me. |
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| 19:56.47 | babilen | asdasdasd: The package in unstable depends on libnetfilter-conntrack1 >= 0.0.99 which is not yet available. Contact upstream for installation instructions. (You might have to compile it or some dependencies) |
| 19:57.14 | abrotman | zOOz: don't do that here |
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| 19:58.37 | asdasdasd | hmm i dont understand u say that there ist a stable l7-filter for debian now? |
| 19:58.46 | babilen | asdasdasd: go to upstreams website. You can find plenty of information there |
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| 19:59.23 | asdasdasd | and whats the address of upstreams website? |
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| 20:00.05 | asdasdasd | sorry i cant folow u i dont understand what u mean i just asked if i need the userspace or kernel version of l7-filter what do u think is the best? |
| 20:00.25 | jmarsden | asdasdasd: The userspace version seems to be packaged for Debian (sid and experimental), see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=l7-filter-userspace |
| 20:00.38 | Muzer | half-way through an upgrade from Etch to Lenny (one that I made quite a hash of because I ran out of hard disk space at one point and had to resize the partition, then run dpkg --reconfigure -a and apt-get -f install), the b43 wireless driver stopped working. Although it worked before, I now get either Microcode not responding or Initial Values Firmware file-format error (they alternate) in the dmesg log. The driver is compiled-in, so I |
| 20:00.38 | Muzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.31 | FIReun | Muzer: thats an ugly problem, I dont envy you a'tall |
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| 20:01.42 | asdasdasd | hmm if i :apt-get install l7-filter-userspace doest work |
| 20:01.44 | babilen | asdasdasd: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/HOWTO-userspace (and you should really work on your google-fu) |
| 20:01.59 | babilen | asdasdasd: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 20:02.00 | asdasdasd | babilen i know |
| 20:02.52 | asdasdasd | but my question was what do u think is wise to do install the userspace version or the kernel version? |
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| 20:03.41 | Muzer | but yeah, the dpkg --reconfigure -a and apt-get -f install worked fine |
| 20:03.52 | Muzer | but when I was about to recommence the dist-upgrade, I realised that I had no wifi :p |
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| 20:03.57 | Muzer | and I had cleared the apt cache |
| 20:03.59 | jmarsden | asdasdasd: If you don't know enough abut L7 to answer that yourself, you should not be using it. Read more, learn more... |
| 20:04.09 | FIReun | FYI: the 486 kernel in lenny does not use the unified sata/pata driver, ata drives are named hdNX not sdNX (: |
| 20:04.31 | Muzer | I have tried recompiling the firmware (what else can I do?) to no avail |
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| 20:04.50 | asdasdasd | what has that to do with l7 from different programs there are userspace and kernel versions... |
| 20:04.54 | izua | hello, i have a networking issue. |
| 20:05.12 | asdasdasd | so why i should be able to answer that question myself? |
| 20:05.22 | izua | my box crashed and now it won't get up on the network. on the switch, the negotiation led is up, and so is on the nic |
| 20:05.27 | babilen | asdasdasd: It looks like the kernel version needs a patched kernel and iptables .. If you want to do that -> use the kernel version. If not -> use the userspace version. I would expect the kernel version to be faster/better/whatever than the userspace version. But you'll have to contact upstream for information about that |
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| 20:06.05 | asdasdasd | hmm that sound very clear |
| 20:06.07 | izua | if i do "ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2/24 up; route add default gw 192.168.1.1" everything is fine (no errors) |
| 20:06.29 | asdasdasd | but the userspace version go to 0:11 and the kernel version to 2,22 |
| 20:06.33 | izua | however, if i try to ping the gw, it won't go past 192.168.1.2 (network is unreachable) |
| 20:06.37 | izua | any ideas? |
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| 20:07.14 | babilen | asdasdasd: what's 0:22 and 2,22 ? |
| 20:07.38 | babilen | asdasdasd: s/:22/:11 |
| 20:07.47 | jhutchins_lt | izua: Is your netmask correct? |
| 20:08.05 | izua | yes, these are the exact same settings that worked for about a year now |
| 20:08.08 | asdasdasd | the version |
| 20:08.10 | jhutchins_lt | izua: Link lights are only based on a single pair, actuall communication requires three pair. |
| 20:08.13 | izua | nothing in my network has changed |
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| 20:08.32 | asdasdasd | the userspace version is not on version 0.11 and the kernel version is now on version 2.22 |
| 20:08.35 | izua | jhutchins: i know, that's why i said "on the switch, the negotiation led is up, and so is on the nic" |
| 20:08.41 | asdasdasd | so it seems the userspace version is very old |
| 20:08.47 | HTT-Bird | how long does it usually take Sid to pull a new version of the kernel in after it's been released? |
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| 20:08.54 | izua | so i think two way comm is working - but i get no TX bytes |
| 20:09.01 | jhutchins_lt | izua: Look at dmesg for messages about the card. |
| 20:09.12 | babilen | asdasdasd: And you believe that "0:11 < 2,22" and that the userspace version is inferior to the kernel one because of that? |
| 20:09.16 | izua | i did, there's nothing suspect |
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| 20:09.30 | HTT-Bird | izua, yeah, check dmesg, also, keep your eyes peeled for things like duplex mismatches and whatnot |
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| 20:09.53 | Touns | hello |
| 20:10.20 | jelly-home | HTT-Bird: weeks - months for a new release, typically days for a stable patch (fourth number) |
| 20:10.20 | asdasdasd | yeah |
| 20:10.33 | asdasdasd | babilen: yeah thats what i mean |
| 20:10.59 | HTT-Bird | jelly-home, ok |
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| 20:11.09 | HTT-Bird | (when was 2.6.32 released btw? I forget. :P lol) |
| 20:11.23 | babilen | asdasdasd: I don't quite see how you compare "0:11" with "2,22" but it might be ... contact upstream about that |
| 20:11.49 | Touns | I have a server that hos mydomain.com and I try to send an email from this domaine to my.email@mydomain.com. But I use the MX from google to handle and receive my email my.email@mydomain.com. And the server notice that I try to send an email to mydomaine.com so he doesn't use the google MX. How could I solve it please ? |
| 20:11.52 | HTT-Bird | babilen, is this a discussion about ntfs support? :o |
| 20:11.57 | newsense | is it advised to use dash as the system shell ? |
| 20:11.59 | Touns | s/hos/host/ |
| 20:12.15 | babilen | asdasdasd: *We* *are not* the l7-filter developers. |
| 20:12.32 | newsense | debconf says "Using dash as the system shell will improve the system's overall performance" |
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| 20:12.48 | izua | ok back |
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| 20:12.52 | \amethyst | newsense: as /bin/sh ? yes, probably... most of the bashisms in init scripts etc have been worked out by this point |
| 20:13.01 | izua | the only thing in /var/log/messages is "setting full duplex" |
| 20:13.07 | asdasdasd | yeah i know but maby where guys here that know something about l7-filter |
| 20:13.14 | newsense | \amethyst: great i shall proceed than, thanks |
| 20:13.16 | \amethyst | newsense: I wouldn't use it as an interactive shell, so make sure your users have /bin/bash rather than /bin/sh as their shell in /etc/passwd |
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| 20:13.27 | izua | the box in question is really old and so is the card, but it worked on full duplex since forever |
| 20:13.29 | \amethyst | newsense: (that's the default, so you shouldn't have to change anything) |
| 20:13.34 | newsense | \amethyst: yeah i wasn't going to do that, i like bash for my users |
| 20:13.53 | \amethyst | newsense: if you have your own (or other non-debian) buggy shell scripts, you might have to fix them |
| 20:14.03 | HTT-Bird | yeah, dash should be fine as /bin/sh |
| 20:14.12 | newsense | \amethyst: uh oh |
| 20:14.15 | \amethyst | newsense: (usually by changing #! /bin/sh to #! /bin/bash, or by fixing the bashisms) |
| 20:14.18 | HTT-Bird | but don't use it as a login shell, I don't think it's as bad as the ksh on AIX xP |
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| 20:14.27 | HTT-Bird | that SUCKED ROYAL #$#@$ |
| 20:14.28 | newsense | \amethyst: oh that's easy enough |
| 20:14.31 | newsense | cool |
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| 20:14.53 | marh | hmm.. i'd like to set the X keyboard layout on a headless box to the exact same 'us - dvorak' i chose from the install cd on my local box. (to be able to use xpra to run x programs on the server and attach them like a screen; but the keymap must be identical for this to work). now setxkbmap seems broken and dpkg-reconfigure doesn't make a difference. there is also no xorg.conf. what would be the best way to figure out exactly what k |
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| 20:15.14 | izua | uhm, what other issue might be? |
| 20:15.59 | izua | i think comms work, since both negotiation leds are lit |
| 20:16.12 | izua | i even verified the cable (inserted the other end in the switch) |
| 20:17.01 | HTT-Bird | check the cable with a good cable tester |
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| 20:17.51 | izua | don't have a cable tester, but i can use it on another connection, or i can make another cable |
| 20:18.27 | HTT-Bird | izua, because I want to rule out that one of the pairs has reversed polarity or smth like that |
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| 20:19.24 | izua | again, i'm talking about a network configuration (ip settings, cable, network layout) that worked for ~1 year, until 5-6 hours ago when power failed |
| 20:19.36 | HTT-Bird | izua, ah. |
| 20:19.45 | izua | but i'm making a new cable right now, one end's ready, the other's on its way |
| 20:19.48 | HTT-Bird | if a power issue triggered it, it could be hardware trouble/damage |
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| 20:20.27 | izua | probably |
| 20:20.34 | izua | but why would autonegotiation succeed? |
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| 20:21.26 | jmarsden | izua: Because the NIC hardware is now half-working and half-broken? Maybe. |
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| 20:22.15 | izua | probably. |
| 20:22.43 | izua | but i don't see how it can receive the autoneg stuff, but not regular packets |
| 20:22.52 | Lasher | babilen: Have you already suggest a package on irc.debian.org/#debian-mentors? |
| 20:23.03 | babilen | Lasher: what? |
| 20:23.14 | gewt | hm |
| 20:23.23 | gewt | seteadfast debian mirror is fats with the steadfats datacentre |
| 20:23.27 | gewt | fast* |
| 20:23.31 | Lasher | Did you once need a mentor? |
| 20:23.32 | gewt | steadfast* |
| 20:23.34 | babilen | !confuse gewt |
| 20:23.35 | dpkg | No, who was your gerbil today, gewt? Trousers of the Republic of Belarus with extra cream. |
| 20:24.26 | izua | !confuse me |
| 20:24.26 | dpkg | No, who are your badger yesterday, izua? Pants of the People's Republic of Belarus with extra anchovies. |
| 20:24.26 | CodeNinja | pushes gewt |
| 20:24.35 | gewt | hi CodeNinja |
| 20:24.40 | CodeNinja | hi :) |
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| 20:25.29 | babilen | Lasher: What do you want to know? If you need a mentor follow the usual procedure. Test your package with lintian (most recent version) and fix *everything* .. upload your package to mentors and write a mail to the debian-mentors mailing list. If you need help with that or tips ask in #debian-mentors@irc.debian.org |
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| 20:26.05 | Lasher | okay, thanks |
| 20:26.19 | n-iCe | Are my sources list correct? http://asdasdasd.pastebin.com/m1443762d |
| 20:26.24 | babilen | Lasher: You also have to file a ITP which should be closed with your first upload |
| 20:26.27 | n-iCe | Why can't I find wicd package?! |
| 20:27.38 | adb | judd, versions wicd |
| 20:27.39 | judd | adb: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.6.2.2-1 sid: 1.6.2.2-4 squeeze: 1.6.2.2-4 experimental: 1.6.2.2-5~exp2 |
| 20:27.50 | babilen | Lasher: But really... head over to #debian-mentors .. A bunch of friendly people there who will help you to get your package into good shape and who will probably even sponsor it |
| 20:28.16 | n-iCe | judd: my sources are ok? |
| 20:28.18 | judd | n-iCe: Error: "my" is not a valid command. |
| 20:28.29 | n-iCe | adb: my sources are correct? |
| 20:28.39 | n-iCe | adb: If I'm in Lenny, can't I install wicd? |
| 20:28.44 | adb | no |
| 20:28.51 | n-iCe | damn |
| 20:28.54 | adb | use lenny-backports: |
| 20:28.54 | n-iCe | any alternative |
| 20:29.04 | babilen | !tell n-iCe -about bpo |
| 20:29.04 | n-iCe | how? |
| 20:29.08 | FIReun | Q: how can I get colorful boot messages like gentoo? (: |
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| 20:29.18 | babilen | FIReun: Paint your screen |
| 20:29.42 | FIReun | oooohh |
| 20:29.49 | FIReun | wait, then I cant see the errors! |
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| 20:30.54 | Donald-teh-Duck | I'm trying to write an init script for my own software -> http://pasteit.ghost1227.com/9 <- I usually don't use debian/ubuntu, so I installed ubuntu in a virtualbox and this is what it says when running update-rc.d http://pasteit.ghost1227.com/10 |
| 20:30.57 | n-iCe | with that adb I will be able to install wicd? |
| 20:30.59 | Donald-teh-Duck | help? |
| 20:31.16 | adb | n-iCe, yes |
| 20:31.26 | n-iCe | adb: is wicd betetr than nm? |
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| 20:31.47 | adb | i don't use neither |
| 20:32.10 | n-iCe | what do you use |
| 20:32.18 | adb | wired |
| 20:32.27 | abrotman | Donald-teh-Duck: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:32.35 | n-iCe | works with wireless? |
| 20:32.35 | n-iCe | adb: ? |
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| 20:32.48 | adb | cable .. |
| 20:32.52 | rgr | n-iCe: I recommend wicd. connects before you log onto the desktop too which is nice. |
| 20:33.20 | Donald-teh-Duck | abrotman: doesn't ubuntu base on debian? why can't I ask here? ._. |
| 20:33.22 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 20:33.31 | Donald-teh-Duck | I want to make a debian package, that works for everything debian based |
| 20:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Just usng a static definition in /etc/network/interfaces will do that too (connect without login). |
| 20:33.46 | abrotman | Donald-teh-Duck: because this channel is for Debian support, you're using ubuntu, please don't argue |
| 20:33.59 | babilen | FIReun: You would probably have to patch /lib/lsb/init-functions and add the colourcodes in there. You might want to fork lsb-base for that. I would however be *extremely* careful with that |
| 20:34.07 | Donald-teh-Duck | abrotman: mh ok... |
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| 20:34.45 | FIReun | babilen: a project for another day - aptitude needs color first (; |
| 20:34.51 | rgr | I know nm has improved a lot from 2 years ago, but I got used to using wicd. Just seems more reliable to me. But things might have changed. |
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| 20:35.39 | FIReun | on another note, my p133 is up and running thanks to babilen pointing out debootstrap |
| 20:35.42 | babilen | FIReun: Take a look at the various *splash packages too ... |
| 20:35.48 | babilen | FIReun: \o/ |
| 20:35.48 | FIReun | heh |
| 20:36.06 | FIReun | babilen: I will never try another distro ever again (on that hardware) |
| 20:36.18 | FIReun | now to get network and X running |
| 20:36.25 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: I didn't know that. So it connects automatically up on system reboot? |
| 20:36.30 | babilen | what is the problem with the network? |
| 20:36.31 | FIReun | hunches o ver and begins furious typing |
| 20:36.45 | gewt | wtf |
| 20:36.46 | gewt | http://pastebin.com/m48565382 |
| 20:36.50 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Yes, but networkmanager won't manage it then. |
| 20:36.51 | gewt | I updated debian testing |
| 20:36.59 | FIReun | babilen: mine? cardbus cards and wpa |
| 20:37.00 | gewt | and now everytime I run a php script I get that |
| 20:37.04 | gewt | err, updated php rather |
| 20:37.18 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? |
| 20:37.48 | rgr | it'll still select the correct profile for the network its one wont it? |
| 20:38.20 | FIReun | babilen: damn, it still doesnt recognize the cards, even if it does detect that there *is* a card |
| 20:38.53 | FIReun | but no msg in dmesg about disabling the cardbus bridge irq, so.. dunno what the issue is |
| 20:38.56 | gewt | pear.php.net is using a unsupported protocal - This should never happen. |
| 20:38.57 | gewt | errrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: If you put the configuration details in the interfaces file it will connect automatically (assume you tell it "auto"). |
| 20:39.34 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: However, if the ESSID and such are in the interfaces file, the networkmanager app won't manage that interface. |
| 20:39.42 | rgr | But it will still connect using the correct profile for the networks it finds right? |
| 20:40.08 | babilen | FIReun: what is the pciid of that card? (lspci -nn) |
| 20:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: It will connect using the info in the interfaces file, I'm not aware of being able to use multiple profiles. |
| 20:40.10 | rgr | right, so its not the same as wicd then. You need to hardcode it it connect? |
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| 20:40.14 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: you can actually change that now |
| 20:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Multiple profiles in the interfaces file? |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | and i believe n-m can also connect at boot |
| 20:40.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: no, i meant that you can have n-m manage things that are in the interfaces file |
| 20:40.55 | FIReun | babilen: the bridge is a TI PCI1130 |
| 20:41.03 | FIReun | fairly standard |
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| 20:41.52 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: As I understand it, the interface needs to be in the interfaces file, but without connection details, just "auto wlan0\iface wlan0 inet dhcp" |
| 20:42.01 | rgr | I just find wicd easier, better UI and more reliable in general. it also gave me less grief when moving between wireless networks. I believe it lacks a few of the features of NM but none that I need. |
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| 20:42.29 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: you can setup wpa_supplicant in roaming mode. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 20:42.31 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: mine has the details, but is managed by n-m |
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| 20:42.47 | abrotman | rgr: if you haven't tried n-m lately, you might want to look at it again |
| 20:43.11 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Interesting. What version are you running? |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | squeeze |
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| 20:43.24 | abrotman | on this machine anyways .l.. |
| 20:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | Mandriva's KDE3.5 networkmanager will scan for and allow the selection of networks. |
| 20:43.40 | rgr | I will do next time I install. This time it was better its just that I needed connect prior to gnome logon and new wicd to do that without messing with interfaces. |
| 20:43.43 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: so does nm |
| 20:43.44 | newsense | can someone highlight me, testing a new irssi script |
| 20:43.54 | izua | newsense |
| 20:43.55 | babilen | newsense: #test |
| 20:43.56 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Not here on lenny. |
| 20:44.05 | newsense | izua: thanks, had all my windows mangled for a second there |
| 20:44.29 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: you are saying nm does not scan? I'm sure it did. |
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| 20:44.41 | Lasher | rebooting |
| 20:44.53 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: read about roaming then ... *very* powerful network configuration |
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| 20:45.12 | jhutchins_lt | Ah yes, right click scans. Just different from Mdv, that's all. Still learning. |
| 20:45.29 | VMSExpert | Debian is kernel panicing in virtualbox |
| 20:45.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: yes, it scans .. |
| 20:45.57 | VMSExpert | Pagefile size: 654 MB |
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| 20:46.52 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: it seems you are using or only know about an ancient version. |
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| 20:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: I'm using what's current in lenny, which does scan/list networks if I right click on it. I'm used to that feature being a left-click function, but it's there, you're right. |
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| 20:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: I admit I was confused when first configuring it, I had no system tray for it to display in. |
| 20:47.57 | VMSExpert | Is 654 MB page file good? |
| 20:48.17 | abrotman | VMSExpert: in what? |
| 20:48.21 | rgr | nm has never been the best designed application. |
| 20:48.48 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: Debian lenny, squeeze and sid all run fine in virtualbox-ose here. You might want to create a fresh VM and install a minimal Debian there and see how well it works. Pf you are actually paging inside a VM, performance will probably be *terrible*. |
| 20:49.37 | VMSExpert | Okay. |
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| 20:49.58 | VMSExpert | I want to run Firefox with more than 30 tabs and run Debian Linux in virtualbox at the same time with 512 MB of RAM on XP. |
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| 20:51.41 | jhutchins_lt | jmarsden: In Parallels you can have a larger memory image than physically available memory. It will swap and be unusable, but you can configure it. |
| 20:52.08 | Muzer | half-way through an upgrade from Etch to Lenny (one that I made quite a hash of because I ran out of hard disk space at one point and had to resize the partition, then run dpkg --reconfigure -a and apt-get -f install), the b43 wireless driver stopped working. Although it worked before, I now get either Microcode not responding or Initial Values Firmware file-format error (they alternate) in the dmesg log. The driver is compiled-in, so I |
| 20:52.09 | Muzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.51 | jmarsden | jhutchins_lt: You can configure a lot of unusable things in many places... but it's generally speaking pretty pointless to do so :) |
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| 20:53.35 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: You may *want* to do that, but IMO you'll either do so so slowly you will die of old age before you get anything useful done, or you'll buy some more RAM :) |
| 20:53.52 | VMSExpert | The CPU is really fast, though. Pentium 4 3 GHz HT Prescott |
| 20:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | remembers trying to load OS/2 back when a megabyte was a lot of RAM. |
| 20:54.37 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: That's an old slow CPU. Intel i7-9xx Nehalem's might be considered fast. |
| 20:54.57 | Muzer | lol |
| 20:55.11 | kleanchap | Is there an official Debian on Twitter? |
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| 20:57.29 | VMSExpert | jmarsden: Then is this a fast CPU? http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Athlon%20II%20X2%20235e%20-%20AD235EHDK23GQ%20%28AD235EHDGQBOX%29.html |
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| 20:59.01 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: That would be faster on many tasks than your single core P4, but it's still only a cheap dual core and it has no L3 cache... |
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| 21:00.43 | jmarsden | But discussion of CPU speed belongs in #hardware not here. If your VM is paging, it doesn't matter how fast a CPU you have, you will be disk I/O bound anyway. |
| 21:01.28 | VMSExpert | jmarsden: I'm wondering if maybe I should be doing this on the dual core AMD machine I have with 6 GB of RAM. |
| 21:01.39 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: Yes, the extra RAM will be a huge help. |
| 21:01.40 | VMSExpert | The CPU is slower, though: 2.7 GHz |
| 21:01.53 | jhutchins_lt | VMSExpert: I don't think either one has hardware virtualization support. |
| 21:02.01 | jmarsden | You can't compare P4 GHz with AMD MHz directly. |
| 21:02.14 | VMSExpert | jhutchins: No, the AMD Athlon II 235e supports AMD V-T extensions |
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| 21:02.46 | plasmid | ok.. just installed Debian via netinst on my Compaq Presario. Wireless does not work but someone mentioned that the wireless adapter Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet NIC may need ndiswrapper? Debian boots fine and i am able to access the internet no problems. It loaded GNOME as the desktop. I need some guidance to make my wireless work. |
| 21:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | P4's are good at keeping the heating bill down in the winter though. |
| 21:02.58 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: A dualcore AMD with 6GB and virtualization support will be hugely better for running virtual machines than a P4 with 512MB. |
| 21:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | plasmid: Realtec drivers are native, however some require a seperate compile for 8138 vs 8139. |
| 21:03.48 | VMSExpert | jhutchins: I wish that were the case. It's freezing in here and the P4 sucks at heating. |
| 21:03.48 | plasmid | <FIReun> plasmid: your broadcom based wifi will likely either use the b43 driver, or you'll have to use ndiswrapper and the windows driver <<not sure how to proceed |
| 21:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | plasmid: You may need a firmware file. |
| 21:04.31 | VMSExpert | Hardware is overrated. Linus developed one of the best monolithic kernels with 3 MB of RAM. |
| 21:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | plasmid: Broadcom B43 != Realtec 8138/9. |
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| 21:05.32 | FIReun | plasmid: you need to look up what exact broadcom chipset you have |
| 21:05.41 | VMSExpert | More on topic, would kernel panics while the kernel is booting be caused by low memory? |
| 21:05.48 | FIReun | plasmid: and then see if the b43 driver covers it (newer ones not so much as older ones) |
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| 21:05.51 | babilen | plasmid: paste the output of 'lspci -nn' and \o/ |
| 21:06.01 | FIReun | plasmid: or just ask babilen |
| 21:06.03 | FIReun | (: |
| 21:06.09 | babilen | hei |
| 21:06.11 | plasmid | okies.. let me go to the laptop. |
| 21:06.22 | jhutchins_lt | AHEM: Realtec Chipsets are handled by Realtec drivers, not by Broadcom drivers! |
| 21:06.26 | jmarsden | VMSExpert: Seems unlikely. |
| 21:06.57 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: yes, that's likely |
| 21:07.27 | jhutchins_lt | Having run both in the past year... |
| 21:07.40 | orak3l | im using debian testing amd64 with gcc-4.4 + multilib. i need to compile code for i686 -march=pentium3 to assist my gentoo machine. jobs are distributed via gcc. ive added a symlink i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc to gcc in /usr/bin. but i am getting compiler errors. isnt it possible to build i686 with gcc-4.4 multilib? |
| 21:07.50 | plasmid | Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 Wireless 802.11g/b |
| 21:07.55 | FIReun | babilen: I went and set my pcmcia PCIC and PCIC_OPTS apropriatly, but I cant get cs to detect what the inserted cards *are* |
| 21:08.07 | FIReun | babilen: since youre a fount of all knowledge, any suggestions? (: |
| 21:08.08 | orak3l | of course distributed via distcc |
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| 21:09.10 | plasmid | i believe the realtek loaded just fine since i am using the internet (wired) on that laptop right now... |
| 21:09.41 | FIReun | plasmid: yes |
| 21:10.05 | babilen | plasmid: is you need help with your wifi, paste the output of 'lspci -nn' on http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:10.32 | plasmid | i cant do that because I am using another computer and I dont have a Mirc Client installed on that laptop yet. |
| 21:10.37 | babilen | FIReun: pcmciautils is installed? |
| 21:11.01 | plasmid | what irc client would u recommend i install on this laptop? |
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| 21:11.07 | cahoot | plasmid: it's irc not mirc |
| 21:11.09 | FIReun | babilen: ayup |
| 21:11.10 | plasmid | graphical one? |
| 21:11.22 | FIReun | plasmid: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 21:11.30 | plasmid | Sorry.. getting used to Linux. |
| 21:12.22 | babilen | plasmid: no problem. have a look at xchat for example. But why do you need a graphical one? IRC is text based ;-) Try irssi |
| 21:12.32 | FIReun | babilen: ports and irq exclusions added as per my particular hardware, and options set in /etc/init.d/pcmciautils |
| 21:12.44 | FIReun | irssi rocks |
| 21:12.53 | plasmid | ok.. let me install an IRC client first on that laptop.. rather than running back and forth between two computers. |
| 21:13.08 | FIReun | screen + irssi = shell account bestest |
| 21:13.11 | tensorpudding | irssi's good if you have unicode |
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| 21:13.42 | babilen | FIReun: what is the output of 'pccardctl ident' .. also remove and insert the card and paste 'dmesg | tail -n 42' |
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| 21:14.23 | FIReun | babilen: machine has no network, but pccardctl ident = no card info available |
| 21:14.33 | babilen | FIReun: As this is an old computer you might have to load a module like tcic, .... (what were the others?) |
| 21:14.41 | FIReun | babilen: removing and inserting the card just says that it was removed and inserted |
| 21:14.43 | babilen | !pcmcia |
| 21:14.43 | dpkg | [pcmcia] PC Card (originally PCMCIA) is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA). Install the pcmciautils package to provide PCMCIA initialisation tools. No socket driver loaded? (e.g. old system with ISA-to-PCMCIA bridge): modprobe i82365, tcic or i82092 and add the working module to /etc/modules. To identify a PC Card device, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PC_Card |
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| 21:15.11 | FIReun | babilen: i82365 |
| 21:15.11 | babilen | FIReun: try those too ^^^^ |
| 21:15.14 | yeti | ok.. xchat intalled on my Laptop. |
| 21:15.20 | yeti | <<-- plasmid |
| 21:15.36 | FIReun | a yeti! quick! shoot it! |
| 21:15.38 | yeti | would u be so kind as to post that link again for the b43 driver |
| 21:15.53 | babilen | yeti: please paste the output of 'lspci -nn' |
| 21:16.21 | yeti | in flood channel? |
| 21:16.32 | babilen | yeti: http://paste.debian.net |
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| 21:17.06 | babilen | nobody uses the #flood channel and debhelper should not advertise it anymore |
| 21:17.24 | FIReun | babilen: "error inserting i82365 no such device" is yenta getting in the way? |
| 21:17.38 | babilen | FIReun: do you get any interesting output in dmesg? |
| 21:18.07 | FIReun | "Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found." |
| 21:18.16 | babilen | FIReun: I guess it is the wrong module then |
| 21:18.35 | babilen | FIReun: could you paste lspci -nn as well? |
| 21:18.52 | yeti | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/55456 |
| 21:18.54 | FIReun | babilen: thats not what I've read, there are only two modules used, i82365 (which my chipset is a clone of) and the tcic one |
| 21:18.58 | babilen | but i am really no expert on pcmcia ... |
| 21:19.04 | FIReun | babilen: understood |
| 21:19.43 | FIReun | lspci -nn doesnt say anything useful, other than its a Texas Instruments PCI1130, which I've looked up and its just a i82365 register compatible chipset |
| 21:19.45 | babilen | judd: pciid 14e4:4320 |
| 21:19.46 | judd | babilen: [14e4:4320] is 'BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4320 |
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| 21:20.23 | babilen | FIReun: don't know then. You could try the debian-user list .. |
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| 21:21.16 | babilen | yeti: Could you run 'modprobe ssb' as root and paste the output of 'dmesg | tail -n 42' |
| 21:21.33 | FIReun | babilen: roger |
| 21:21.42 | yeti | babilen, certainly |
| 21:22.31 | babilen | FIReun: have you tried i82092 too? |
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| 21:22.58 | FIReun | babilen: that hasnt been indicated as being a compatible chipset |
| 21:23.51 | babilen | FIReun: ok |
| 21:23.57 | yeti | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/55458 |
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| 21:24.41 | FIReun | babilen: lspci -vnn says "Kernel driver in use: yenta_cardbus, modules: yenta_socket" |
| 21:24.52 | FIReun | might be a problem |
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| 21:24.57 | babilen | yeti: ok, you need the firmware for your card |
| 21:25.41 | yeti | babilen, shall i try to follow the directions on the output or is there another way? |
| 21:26.31 | babilen | yeti: there is a package 'b43-fwcutter' which can be used to extract the firmware from the binary something you can download. Download that file and come back ... |
| 21:26.50 | babilen | !b43-fwcutter |
| 21:26.50 | dpkg | [b43-fwcutter] a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Available as a <contrib> package for Lenny, Etch and Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. |
| 21:27.10 | babilen | yeti: ^^^ |
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| 21:27.43 | babilen | yeti: I guess you don't have contrib enabled in your sources.list, or? |
| 21:27.47 | adb | FIReun, run > modprobe yenta_socket |
| 21:27.48 | tommiboy | hi all |
| 21:28.17 | babilen | tommiboy: welcome |
| 21:28.44 | FIReun | adb: its already in use |
| 21:28.52 | adb | ok |
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| 21:29.37 | ipatrol | can someone explain http://txtb.in/8mw |
| 21:30.01 | FIReun | I've come across someone elses lspci with the same chipset, and they're using yenta and detecting the cards just fine - http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=debian-kernel&a=2008-09&m=8588527 |
| 21:30.06 | tommiboy | i got a little problem since a few hours... i bought a new pc and tried several times to install debian with different parameters etc, but the installation would freeze randomly at some random point... does anyone have an idea what i did wrong? |
| 21:30.08 | FIReun | so I dunno what my issue is |
| 21:30.18 | ipatrol | It was a dismissive response to a dpkg error |
| 21:30.57 | brusca | running this command from the command line works perfectly, however not as a cronjob: */1 * * * * /usr/bin/php /var/www/script.php, any clue? |
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| 21:31.21 | babilen | ipatrol: do not post shortened URLs in here ... You will not get help |
| 21:31.38 | ipatrol | It's a pastebin |
| 21:31.45 | brusca | im running PHP Version 5.2.6-1 |
| 21:31.48 | yeti | laptop run out of battery which did not indicate me it was running out. |
| 21:31.49 | babilen | ipatrol: then paste the direct link to the pastebin |
| 21:31.59 | yeti | babilen, could u paste that driver again so i can install it. |
| 21:32.08 | ipatrol | That *is* the direct link |
| 21:32.25 | babilen | !tell yeti -about b43-fwcutter |
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| 21:32.37 | babilen | ipatrol: ok, sorry. I have not heard of that pastebin before |
| 21:32.55 | ipatrol | Ok, so... |
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| 21:33.07 | Alex_ | hello |
| 21:33.07 | Alex_ | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 21:33.13 | Alex_ | only 1? |
| 21:33.14 | Alex_ | ffffffffff |
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| 21:33.45 | fredl | is that even a question Alex_ ? |
| 21:34.17 | FIReun | Alex isnt here man |
| 21:34.23 | fredl | oops, gone already. |
| 21:34.26 | adb | spammer > Alex_ (n=Alex@cpe-67-241-242-35.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 21:34.30 | yeti | how do i find out if i have lenny etch or squeeze? i did a apt-get install b43-fwcutter but it did not find it. |
| 21:34.39 | FIReun | adb: or bot |
| 21:34.43 | tensorpudding | lsb_release -a |
| 21:34.48 | tensorpudding | ^ yeti |
| 21:35.06 | ipatrol | babilen: see the bug report http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-dpkg-bugs@lists.debian.org/msg06300.html |
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| 21:35.37 | yeti | ok.. running lenny but it didnt find that b43-fwcutter. let me read that bot msg again from dpkg |
| 21:36.24 | adb | judd, versions b43-fwcutter |
| 21:36.24 | judd | adb: b43-fwcutter -- etch/contrib: 1:011-1~etchnhalf.2 lenny/contrib: 1:011-5 sid/contrib: 1:012-1 squeeze/contrib: 1:012-1 |
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| 21:36.33 | babilen | yeti: use aptitude in-lieu of apt-get |
| 21:36.42 | cahoot | enable contrib |
| 21:36.49 | adb | yeti, in contrib |
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| 21:37.05 | babilen | !tell yeti -about contrib |
| 21:37.11 | yeti | i am sorry, I don't know what contrib is. I am reading the wiki as fast as possible |
| 21:37.54 | yeti | ahh.. i have to add a line in apt sources list.. one moment |
| 21:37.55 | babilen | yeti: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'contrib' after 'main' (you might want to add 'non-free' as well) and run 'aptitude update' |
| 21:38.07 | tensorpudding | no need to add non-free yet |
| 21:38.16 | babilen | hence the *might* |
| 21:38.26 | tensorpudding | unless you have a particular non-free package that you know you'll be wanting |
| 21:38.45 | babilen | is sure the wants to install flash soon |
| 21:38.52 | ipatrol | babilen: So did you read the bug report, I still dont understand the problem |
| 21:39.47 | ipatrol | I did 'chmod 0775' and dpkg complained that the permission was 2775 |
| 21:40.55 | ipatrol | babilen: What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:42.04 | babilen | ipatrol: Have you read the complete bug report? |
| 21:42.12 | ipatrol | Yes |
| 21:42.14 | yeti | babilen, installed the firmware succesfully after aptitude update. :-) what is that dmesg | command again to check? |
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| 21:42.28 | ipatrol | But the dismissive replies make no sense |
| 21:42.37 | babilen | yeti: 'modprobe -r ssb && modprobe ssb' 'dmesg | tail -n 42' |
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| 21:43.36 | yeti | debian:/home/yeti# modprobe -r ssb && modprobe ssb FATAL: Module ssb is in use. |
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| 21:45.07 | babilen | yeti: try 'modprobe -r ssb' alone |
| 21:45.45 | stew | last time we had someone have trouble with that they had to remove a b43 or b43legacy module before the 'modprobe -r ssb' worked |
| 21:45.53 | yeti | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/55461 |
| 21:46.29 | babilen | ipatrol: If you have a problem with a package you are building and you run into this bug, contact #debian-mentors (OFTC) and ask them how to fix your package, or if you can override that somehow. I never encountered that bug and can't really help you... |
| 21:46.32 | yeti | debian:/home/yeti# modprobe -r ssb FATAL: Module ssb is in use. |
| 21:46.34 | stew | yeti: what does "lsmod | grep ^ssb" return? |
| 21:46.55 | babilen | thanks stew .. |
| 21:47.10 | ipatrol | babilen: its a chmod question, not a dpkg question |
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| 21:48.04 | yeti | debian:/home/yeti# lsmod | grep ^ssb ssb 43140 1 b43 |
| 21:48.17 | yeti | i take it ssb is already running? |
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| 21:48.38 | stew | yeti: run "modprobe -r b43" then try babilen's longer command again |
| 21:48.45 | babilen | yeti: 'modprobe -r b43 && modprobe -r ssb' |
| 21:49.04 | yeti | i can see the wireless light turned on now on my laptop. |
| 21:49.38 | yeti | babilen, command succesful |
| 21:49.39 | stew | ipatrol: at what point in the process did you run "chmod 0775" ? |
| 21:49.45 | babilen | yeti: good sign .. I guess it is working now, but paste the output of 'dmesg | tail -n 42' so we can make sure |
| 21:49.58 | yeti | babilen, but now the wireless light is off |
| 21:50.07 | babilen | yeti: ah, run 'modprobe ssb' before that though |
| 21:50.28 | ipatrol | stew: After dpkg failed, also I had a package on the end of that line |
| 21:50.36 | yeti | babilen, wireless light is back on |
| 21:51.37 | babilen | yeti: could you paste the output of the dmesg command? |
| 21:51.51 | yeti | http://paste.debian.net/55465/ |
| 21:52.09 | backpackzakattak | hello folks |
| 21:52.46 | babilen | yeti: your wireless is working. Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse now |
| 21:52.49 | backpackzakattak | have a question about lenny + apache2 + php |
| 21:52.59 | backpackzakattak | firefox / safari just download the php file |
| 21:53.05 | yeti | babilen, thank you so much. BRB after reading faq. |
| 21:53.05 | backpackzakattak | (new server install) |
| 21:53.21 | backpackzakattak | php5 and libapache2-mod-php5 just installed and apache2 reloaded |
| 21:53.38 | backpackzakattak | and php5-common |
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| 21:53.45 | Muzer | btw, any chance of aptitude's RAM footprint being decreased? The version in Etch at least was a real RAM hog, it caused my Wii to get "unable to allocate memory" errors when installing certain packages (where apt-get installed the same packages fine) |
| 21:53.47 | backpackzakattak | fresh lenny 64 image |
| 21:54.35 | Muzer | not sure if it's any better in Lenny, but if I aptitude's like most applications, the RAM footprint has probably gone up... |
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| 21:55.23 | Muzer | anyway, I've manually downloaded all packages required to complete the upgrade on my desktop and am now installing them on my Wii |
| 21:55.27 | backpackzakattak | phpinfo.php loads tho |
| 21:55.34 | Muzer | hopefully the wifi issue will then go away on its own |
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| 21:56.50 | ipatrol | ##debian-mentors is dead, can I have help here? |
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| 21:57.06 | babilen | !tell ipatrol -about mentors |
| 21:57.12 | babilen | ipatrol: it's on OFTC |
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| 21:57.22 | stew | ipatrol: what command gives you that error in the first place? |
| 21:57.36 | ipatrol | dpkg --build package |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | ipatrol: i haven't a clue |
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| 21:57.53 | ipatrol | no one asked you dpkg XD |
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| 21:58.25 | Muzer | lol |
| 21:58.44 | stew | ipatrol: so you ran that command before and after chmod? |
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| 21:59.00 | ipatrol | yes |
| 21:59.03 | backpackzakattak | aha |
| 21:59.07 | backpackzakattak | i fixed it with this command |
| 21:59.10 | backpackzakattak | from yesterday |
| 21:59.10 | backpackzakattak | aptitude reinstall -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" php5-mysql |
| 21:59.15 | stew | ipatrol: and what exactly was the chmod command you ran? |
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| 21:59.44 | ipatrol | stew: chmod 0755 package |
| 22:00.04 | ipatrol | and chmod 0775 package |
| 22:00.24 | stew | ipatrol: right, but its complaining about the control directory |
| 22:00.31 | ipatrol | and chmod 0775 package/DEBIAN |
| 22:00.38 | FIReun | babilen: over the last week I've looked around for any mention of pcmcia IRQ issues, and there is plenty of kernel traffic on the subject going back years... since at least 2.6.8 there's been real confusion on the "propper" way of handling cardbus related interrupts on old hardware - which is where the boot options (I've tried most all of them) irqpoll, pci=biosirq pci=routeirq nodebugirq -- have come from (nothing works) |
| 22:01.09 | ipatrol | stew: which is the control directory? |
| 22:01.20 | FIReun | babilen: if I use anything but irqpoll, I get an IRQ storm and its "disabled" I think this is the root of my problem getting card info |
| 22:01.34 | stew | ipatrol: can you pastebin the results of "find package -perm +2000" ? |
| 22:01.41 | iceroot | why chmod 0755 and not 755 are there differences? |
| 22:01.51 | stew | there isn't a difference |
| 22:02.06 | FIReun | babilen: its also shown as level triggered, but in my readings I see that older ISA/PCI boards only do edge triggereing... makes me curious. |
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| 22:03.46 | ipatrol | stew: package \n package/DEBIAN |
| 22:03.58 | zophy | my debian insall is using GMT time how can i change it to use CST ? |
| 22:04.04 | ipatrol | \n is a newline |
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| 22:04.19 | stew | odd |
| 22:04.23 | zophy | or CDST whichever is federally dictated |
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| 22:04.57 | ipatrol | stew: What's wrong? |
| 22:05.04 | stew | ipatrol: so 0775 doesn't work? does g-s work instead? |
| 22:05.19 | macrobat_ | zophy: maybe tzselect |
| 22:05.36 | zophy | 000tzconfig ? |
| 22:05.40 | zophy | hmm |
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| 22:06.02 | babilen | zophy: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata or tzconfig |
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| 22:06.14 | zophy | tnx i see that now |
| 22:06.39 | macrobat_ | aha |
| 22:07.03 | ipatrol | stew: None of them are working, it keeps changing back |
| 22:07.15 | ipatrol | Is it because of its location? |
| 22:07.22 | zophy | no no no, i need to change from universal time |
| 22:07.35 | zophy | crap |
| 22:07.43 | stew | ipatrol: it could be filesystem dependant, but i don't see how it could be location dependant |
| 22:07.53 | stew | ipatrol: and btw I see the same thing here with 0775, but g-s works |
| 22:08.07 | ipatrol | Your OS? |
| 22:08.33 | stew | you are asking me what OS i'm using? |
| 22:08.37 | babilen | zophy: What do you mean? |
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| 22:08.45 | ipatrol | What distro? |
| 22:08.48 | babilen | zophy: From GMT to what? |
| 22:08.50 | stew | ipatrol: debian |
| 22:08.55 | ipatrol | I have Ubuntu |
| 22:08.55 | babilen | ipatrol: take an educated guess ;-) |
| 22:09.18 | stew | ... |
| 22:09.20 | ipatrol | I came here with a dpkg issue |
| 22:09.34 | ipatrol | #ubuntu said to go here |
| 22:09.38 | stew | ipatrol: they shouldn't have |
| 22:09.39 | zophy | babilen, to not GMT |
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| 22:09.50 | zophy | i think hwclock is what i need to use |
| 22:09.51 | babilen | zophy: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 22:09.52 | stew | ipatrol: and you don't have a dpkg issue. dpkg is giving you a correct error |
| 22:10.11 | stew | (and this is the wrong place for problems with ubuntu's dpkg in any case) |
| 22:10.14 | ipatrol | i'll ask ubuntu again |
| 22:10.28 | babilen | zophy: You mean: My hw clock is set to local time and i want to tell Debian about it? |
| 22:10.49 | zophy | my hwclock is set to GMT is the problem i think |
| 22:11.14 | babilen | !tell zophy -about gmt |
| 22:11.30 | babilen | zophy: edit /etc/default/rcS and restart hwclock |
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| 22:11.54 | zophy | babilen, tnx |
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| 22:13.10 | cire | Sometimes I have heavy load on my disk - is there something similar to htop for memory, which shows which program is causing how many disk io? |
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| 22:14.11 | babilen | cire: try iotop |
| 22:15.00 | cire | thanks a lot babilen, this is exactly what I was searching for |
| 22:15.36 | babilen | cire: not as fancy as htop, but it does the job |
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| 22:15.50 | cire | enough for my needs |
| 22:15.52 | cire | :) |
| 22:16.23 | paissad-hp | hi to all |
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| 22:16.47 | centHOGG | hny |
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| 22:18.09 | paissad-hp | i want to install a debian package, from a script, what is the best way to check if a package is installed with the minimal version, for example, if package "foo.deb" needs package "bar (>=2.4)" |
| 22:18.19 | paissad-hp | foo.deb is not into repositories |
| 22:18.33 | paissad-hp | i cannot use aptitude build-dep |
| 22:18.39 | paissad-hp | i think ^^ |
| 22:18.58 | babilen | paissad-hp: what kind of script? |
| 22:19.18 | babilen | paissad-hp: you could use the output of dpkg -l for example |
| 22:19.38 | paissad-hp | babilen, it's a shell script which download and install a particular deb package, but i think it should 1st check for depends |
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| 22:20.08 | z_ | hi all |
| 22:20.09 | paissad-hp | babilen, i thought about dpkg -l, dpkg -s, ... but i just expected to have something easier :) |
| 22:20.11 | paissad-hp | btw |
| 22:20.33 | ktlr | can somebody tell me what is the program name at the bottom on this screen : http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=42697&file1=42697-1.jpg&file2=42697-2.jpg&file3=42697-3.jpg&name=LiNsta+%28LiNsta+is+Not+Vista+%3B-%29 |
| 22:21.07 | paissad-hp | ktlr, cairo-dock ? |
| 22:21.12 | z_ | i've a problem when i try to remove drm-modules builded from source >> http://dpaste.com/140304/ |
| 22:21.21 | esaym153 | with the recent changes in pam in testing and unstable, does anyone know if minimum password lengths are required for the root user. I know they are with non root users now. |
| 22:21.22 | z_ | how i can solve this? |
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| 22:22.19 | babilen | paissad-hp: apt-show-versions ? or parse /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 22:24.19 | babilen | judd: versions drm-modules-2.6.30-custom |
| 22:24.20 | judd | babilen: drm-modules-2.6.30-custom -- |
| 22:24.25 | ktlr | paissad-hp, thx thats it |
| 22:24.40 | z_ | babilen: judd ? |
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| 22:25.13 | babilen | z_: I just wanted to check the versions in the archive, but it is not in the repositories. |
| 22:26.09 | z_ | yes babilen |
| 22:26.12 | z_ | is mine |
| 22:26.16 | babilen | z_: Try dpkg -r --force-? . Have a look at the dpkg manpage to choose the correct ? or just use all |
| 22:26.32 | babilen | z_: And your package is broken. Check it with lintian |
| 22:27.06 | z_ | ok babilen thanks |
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| 22:29.56 | pi_benjamin | hello @ all! |
| 22:30.10 | z_ | hello pi_benjamin |
| 22:30.13 | centHOGG | hny |
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| 22:30.42 | pi_benjamin | happy new year for all who care. for the others: have a nice time |
| 22:30.53 | z_ | babilen: with lintian the package show me only one warning |
| 22:31.09 | z_ | wiretapped: drm-modules-2.6.30-custom: binary-nmu-uses-old-version-style 2.4.11+git+20090630+de1ed01-1+2.6.30-custom-10.00.Custom |
| 22:31.15 | z_ | pi_benjamin: you tooo! :) |
| 22:31.30 | z_ | with dpkg -r --force-all nothing to do.. |
| 22:31.32 | z_ | the same error |
| 22:31.37 | pi_benjamin | *hug* thanks |
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| 22:31.53 | z_ | i've find with google only this bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=536586 |
| 22:32.06 | z_ | but i do not have understand how solve this |
| 22:32.36 | pi_benjamin | are spare discs in a raid array powered down until they have to replace a faulty disc? |
| 22:32.59 | babilen | !tell z_ -about mentors |
| 22:33.00 | pi_benjamin | (software raid, sry) |
| 22:34.30 | z_ | thanks babilen |
| 22:34.31 | z_ | :) |
| 22:34.44 | Justin | pi_benjamin: they could be |
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| 22:35.25 | pi_benjamin | hmmm :-) |
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| 22:36.58 | pi_benjamin | justin: i sighted some tuts and the man pages, but haven´t found a definite answer. |
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| 22:39.19 | z_ | happy new year guys!! ciao!! :) |
| 22:39.31 | pi_benjamin | z_ , bye bye |
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| 22:42.51 | careta | hi all |
| 22:43.03 | careta | how can I upgrade my system to amd64 without reinstalling everything? |
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| 22:43.20 | babilen | careta: from what? |
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| 22:43.45 | careta | babilen, from i386 |
| 22:43.51 | babilen | careta: you can't |
| 22:44.04 | babilen | careta: You can install the amd64 kernel though |
| 22:44.33 | babilen | careta: You would then have a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland |
| 22:44.58 | careta | yes but no speed advantage |
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| 22:46.44 | babilen | speed advantage? |
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| 22:47.15 | careta | from amd64 packages |
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| 22:48.19 | \amethyst | careta: your only option is a reinstall, then |
| 22:48.19 | babilen | please explain |
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| 22:49.06 | careta | \amethyst, i think i'm going to backup and try the risky procedure here http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ |
| 22:49.27 | careta | babilen, all amd64 packages are compiled with sse2 and other optimizations |
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| 22:49.39 | mkverc | i try to test some example of program wixh used thread (with pthread API), my g++ send initializing argument 3 of âint pthread_create(pthread_t*, const pthread_attr_t*, void* (*)(void*), void*)â fo line code pthread_create( &thread1, NULL, &functionCount1, NULL);....how can repair this bug? |
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| 22:49.49 | \amethyst | careta: personally, I would do a reinstall over that |
| 22:50.03 | \amethyst | careta: if you're backing up anyway, you can just reinstall and restore your local directories |
| 22:50.15 | babilen | that will save you some time |
| 22:50.31 | \amethyst | back up your package selections and debconf settings, and you can restore those too |
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| 22:50.41 | babilen | mkverc: you might want to ask that question in ##c |
| 22:51.10 | careta | \amethyst, I have zillions of conf files and remnants of my sarge system |
| 22:51.15 | babilen | !tell careta -about aptitude clone |
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| 22:51.54 | careta | thanks guys |
| 22:52.09 | babilen | careta: good luck |
| 22:52.12 | \amethyst | mkverc: did you leave out part of the error message? |
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| 22:52.43 | \amethyst | mkverc: what is the signature of functionCount1 ? |
| 22:52.53 | mjoe | How can I limit a user to only being able to login from a specific range of IP addresses in pure-ftpd? (Allow/Deny Block) |
| 22:53.17 | \amethyst | mkverc: also, you should use 0 rather than NULL in C++ |
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| 22:54.48 | mkverc | \amethyst: void* functionCount1(); |
| 22:54.57 | FIReun | babilen: finally got lspci to find my pcmcia cards ( key - pnpbios=off in boot line ) |
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| 22:55.11 | FIReun | babilen: pccardctl still doesnt ident them tho |
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| 22:55.50 | \amethyst | mkverc: that's your problem |
| 22:56.00 | babilen | FIReun: what did the trick? |
| 22:56.13 | mkverc | \amethyst: what...? |
| 22:56.19 | \amethyst | mkverc: it should take a void * argument |
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| 22:56.52 | \amethyst | mkverc: pthread_create wants a void* (*)(void*) but you passed a void* (*)(void) |
| 22:57.16 | \amethyst | mkverc: 'it' being functionCount1 |
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| 22:58.45 | \amethyst | mkverc: C might not care (in practice it typically doesn't hurt to pass a function more arguments than it is expecting), but C++ is much pickier about that kind of thing |
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| 22:59.59 | FIReun | babilen: well I'm still not there, but yenta will see the cardbus as PCI or ISA, and if you have an old bios that doesnt do PNP or ACPI, then booting with "pnpbios=off pci=noacpi" assigns it as ISA and hands out different IRQs |
| 23:00.18 | FIReun | babilen: as I said, lspci is at least seeing something, but the cards are still not loading properly |
| 23:01.08 | FIReun | babilen: its progress |
| 23:01.13 | babilen | FIReun: sounds like progress |
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| 23:02.12 | \amethyst | mkverc: for further questions about the pthread API, ##posix would be a good choice |
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| 23:02.37 | FIReun | babilen: the lspci -vnn entry gives a memory location, 32-bit, non-prefetch and [disabled] which is worrysome |
| 23:02.57 | FIReun | babilen: worrysome = [disabled] part |
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| 23:03.42 | FIReun | is ISA only 16bit? |
| 23:04.01 | mquin | 8 or 16 bit, depending on the vintage |
| 23:04.14 | \amethyst | depends on what you mean by 'bit' |
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| 23:04.47 | newsense | anyone know how i can change my activity bar hilight text to something other than hilight? if someone joins or parts the text is non bold and blue but if theres channel text it goes back to bold which is the defaul color |
| 23:05.06 | newsense | meant something other than bold sorry |
| 23:05.19 | \amethyst | ISA has 20 (XT) or 24 (AT) bits of address |
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| 23:05.28 | \amethyst | and 8 (XT) or 16 (AT) bits of data |
| 23:05.34 | \amethyst | then there's EISA |
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| 23:06.43 | jmarsden | newsense: What IRC client are you using? This is an important piece of information you forgot to include. |
| 23:07.07 | newsense | jmarsden: irssi, see you hilighted me and the channel name was in bold red |
| 23:07.22 | newsense | i want channel text to be other than bold white like the default |
| 23:07.31 | \amethyst | newsense: try #irssi |
| 23:07.44 | Ironhand | need a quick bit of help... some time ago I upgraded my squeeze install, which seemed to involve some important changes involving HAL/dbus and /dev stuff... I didn't pay a lot of attention back then, but now I finally rebooted the system for the first time since, and a lot of important stuff under /dev seems nonexistant (hard disk devices, for one)... is there an obvious thing that could have gone wrong? |
| 23:08.00 | newsense | \amethyst: i know it's not a debian issue so i did try there first, thanks |
| 23:08.17 | newsense | figured there's a lot of irssi users here |
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| 23:08.40 | babilen | newsense: /help hilight |
| 23:09.01 | jmarsden | newsense: Read section 9 of the irssi manual /usr/share/doc/irssi/manual.txt.gz |
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| 23:09.06 | _2 | is it possible to have laptop hardware that lspci/lshw does not detect at all ? |
| 23:09.19 | FIReun | \eisa being 32bit? |
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| 23:09.28 | FIReun | \amethyst: eisa being 32bit? |
| 23:09.40 | \amethyst | FIReun: yes, 32-bit data, 32-bit address |
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| 23:09.54 | newsense | jmarsden, babilen: thanks guys let me do that, i think i'll get it with those references |
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| 23:10.18 | babilen | newsense: there is an #irssi channel |
| 23:10.35 | babilen | newsense: nvm |
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| 23:11.36 | FIReun | \amethyst: hmm, well yenta says ISA for my cardbus, but the lspci says 32bit address so.. I'm guessing its EISA (almost PCI) |
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| 23:12.03 | Ironhand | anyone able to give me some tips on how to sanity check my /dev / HAL setup in Debian Squeeze? it seems badly messed up and I'm stuck with a barely useable system and little clue... |
| 23:12.31 | FIReun | you said "squeeze" hee hee |
| 23:12.44 | _2 | Ironhand udev get removed ? new initramfs fail to generate ? |
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| 23:13.24 | Ironhand | _2: udev package is still installed, maybe that's part of the issue then... |
| 23:13.44 | Ironhand | should I just try removing it or does that risk making matters worse? |
| 23:14.35 | \amethyst | Ironhand: no, you want udev |
| 23:15.10 | Ironhand | ok... what could cause it to not generate the various hd* & sd* devices there? |
| 23:15.45 | _2 | there is always a risk. :) but i would probably try it... although it's said to be a bad idea... first run something like apt-get -d install --reinstall udev to see if you would be able to reload it if needed... |
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| 23:18.41 | _2 | laptop shutdown didn't send any term sig, and the ssh client hung the terminal... is that normal with debian ? |
| 23:19.06 | Ironhand | could HAL interfere with the operation of udev in any way? |
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| 23:36.37 | |WhiteCrow1 | hi guy's |
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| 23:37.37 | WhiteCrow1 | i can't change any option in compiz (lenny) , how can i do for fix this ? |
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| 23:41.04 | FIReun | oh the splits, the poor blasted splits |
| 23:41.14 | FIReun | I hear there's a salve for that... |
| 23:41.21 | Rata_ | hi guys one short question: i want to use virtualbox....which host system is better? opensuse 11.2 or debian lenny? |
| 23:41.41 | FIReun | Rata_: asked in #virtualbox? |
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| 23:41.53 | FIReun | I dont think you're likely to find opensuse users here |
| 23:41.56 | babilen | Rata_: you are in #debian ... take an educated guess |
| 23:42.04 | Rata_ | yap 2 mins ago and nobody answering .... |
| 23:42.05 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: hi dude |
| 23:42.08 | Rata_ | :d i know |
| 23:42.13 | FIReun | babilen: or an uneducated one as the case may be |
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| 23:42.29 | FIReun | *2 whole minutes!!?* unbelievable |
| 23:42.35 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 23:42.36 | babilen | Rata_: be patient |
| 23:42.37 | Rata_ | perhaps somebody has some experience with debian and virtualbox |
| 23:42.37 | WhiteCrow1 | ?babilen: can i tell me how can i do for fix compiz |
| 23:42.42 | Rata_ | :D |
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| 23:42.55 | FIReun | yassine: welcome |
| 23:42.58 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: yes, please tell yourself because I have no idea |
| 23:43.35 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: oh sorry can u tell me |
| 23:43.37 | WhiteCrow1 | :D |
| 23:43.38 | WhiteCrow1 | lol |
| 23:43.51 | babilen | Rata_: it works on Debian. You might also want to consider the other virtualisation options you have on Debian. |
| 23:44.05 | Rata_ | ok |
| 23:44.06 | babilen | !tell Rata_ -about virtualization |
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| 23:44.45 | babilen | Rata_: What kind of processor do you have? |
| 23:44.47 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: i Stupid |
| 23:44.57 | yassine | anyone of you guys can tell me what is the difference between these two statements in grub2: statement_1:module /boot/vmlinuz-x.x.x. root=/dev/md0 statement_2:set root=(md0) ?? |
| 23:45.03 | Rata_ | i just need a virtualisation solution for running 3-4 virtual machines for desktop and network testing systems...1 debian vm, 1 suse vm, etc......which virtualisation programm should i use for that case?? |
| 23:45.34 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: soryy , can u tell me how can i do for fix compiz ? i cant change any option in compiz |
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| 23:45.55 | babilen | Rata_: that depends on your hardware and other needs. What kind of processor do you have? Does it support VT-X ? |
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| 23:46.17 | Rata_ | intel dual core e6600..i think vt is supported |
| 23:46.18 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: I have never used compiz in my entire life, i really have no clue |
| 23:46.22 | WhiteCrow1 | i can understand EN but i cant speak EN very will (sorry guy's) |
| 23:46.39 | babilen | Rata_: Yes it should. |
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| 23:47.03 | kojiro | i need help in windows vista, is this the right place? |
| 23:47.04 | babilen | Rata_: *I* like kvm for example ... |
| 23:47.12 | babilen | kojiro: no |
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| 23:47.30 | babilen | WhiteCrow1: You might have more luck in #compiz |
| 23:47.30 | kojiro | babilen: can you please help me in the right direction then please? |
| 23:47.38 | WhiteCrow1 | somebody help me |
| 23:47.47 | WhiteCrow1 | babilen: tnx a lot |
| 23:47.52 | babilen | kojiro: Is this a joke? If not: #windows |
| 23:48.02 | kojiro | babilen: :P thnx |
| 23:48.09 | Rata_ | ok so whats the main difference between kvm and virtualbox or why do you prefer kvm? |
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| 23:48.53 | babilen | Rata_: I like it. I am no virtualization guru though. You might want to ask dutchfish if he is around or in a dedicated channel |
| 23:49.03 | kojiro | babilen: sorry can you give me a direct link to that channel please? i cant find it :( |
| 23:49.14 | babilen | kojiro: stop it please |
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| 23:49.44 | kojiro | babilen: ok i see you do not wnat to help me thank you anyways..... |
| 23:49.53 | Rata_ | ok thx |
| 23:50.00 | jmarsden | Rata_: They approach virtualization slightly differently, the way they handle GUI access to the VMs is different, virtualbox can easily use older CPUs without hardware virtualization capabilities... |
| 23:50.01 | babilen | Rata_: What will be th purpose of that server? |
| 23:50.08 | Rata_ | so kvm is also recommended for creating vm's for desktop usage? |
| 23:50.15 | babilen | Rata_: yes |
| 23:50.48 | Rata_ | no server...i want to run debian and then starting kvm/virutalbox |
| 23:50.57 | Rata_ | and boot some diffrent os |
| 23:51.08 | Rata_ | ok thx |
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| 23:51.12 | babilen | Rata_: Try both and evaluate their merits |
| 23:51.30 | jmarsden | Rata_: if you are a newcomer to virtualization, virtualbox may be slightly easier to get started with, but try them both (one at a time, you cannot use them both at once) |
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| 23:52.00 | vchrizz | is it somehow possible to delete a large directory faster than with rm -rf ? |
| 23:52.25 | jmarsden | Rata_: There is a very old comparison of virtualization software at http://www.techthrob.com/2009/03/02/virtualization-in-linux-a-review-of-four-software-choices/ |
| 23:53.30 | Rata_ | ok thx |
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| 23:54.28 | Rata_ | i will try both..thx gotta go have a nice day |
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| 23:55.58 | Trox | hello, |
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| 23:58.33 | Trox | so yesterday Debian squeeze went crazy after an upgrade |
| 23:58.48 | Trox | something like 30 broken packages |
| 23:59.45 | Trox | and it seems unstable gets security updates faster |
| 23:59.48 | babilen | Trox: amd64 / x86 ? |
| 23:59.54 | Trox | what do you guys think ? |
| 23:59.56 | Trox | unstable or testing ? |
