| 00:00.07 | nsadmin | that's the only route? |
| 00:00.27 | Atomix | thanks for the log file :o |
| 00:00.28 | jdm64 | nsadmin: ok there's also 68.183.209.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 00:00.37 | Supaplex | 64 bytes from 68.183.209.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=58.8 ms |
| 00:01.12 | Supaplex | those two look okay. |
| 00:01.14 | nsadmin | jdm64: do you have the whole /24? |
| 00:01.46 | Atomix | i have the following errors dondelelcaro http://pastebin.com/m70d060bb |
| 00:01.53 | Supaplex | try constant ping, and check if arp -n shows anything for 68.183.209.1 |
| 00:01.54 | jdm64 | Supaplex: ??? no, this is a home server connected straight to the dsl modem |
| 00:02.01 | deed02392 | could someone suggest a way i might map the size of the files occupying my hard drive in all but one folder? |
| 00:02.10 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: well, there you go |
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| 00:03.06 | Atomix | yup but that's confusing me :s |
| 00:03.17 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:03.41 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: you have/had a pre-existing innodb file, and your configuration specifies a different default which is causing innodb to be disabled. |
| 00:03.56 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: asssuming you don't have any data in the server yet, remove that file, and try again |
| 00:04.04 | jdm64 | Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface |
| 00:04.06 | jdm64 | 68.183.209.1 ether 00:02:3b:00:87:f3 C eth0 |
| 00:04.07 | jdm64 | 68.183.209.254 (incomplete) eth0 |
| 00:04.09 | jdm64 | 68.183.209.148 ether 00:1d:df:67:1f:ad C eth0 |
| 00:04.28 | jdm64 | Supaplex: that's what arp -n is showing |
| 00:05.07 | jdm64 | Supaplex: hmm... "incomplete" could that be it? |
| 00:05.23 | Supaplex | what's on .254? it's not replying |
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| 00:06.38 | Supaplex | but your default gateway is .1, has arp, I can ping .1 from here. I would expect to reach anything that is up on that subnet really. |
| 00:06.58 | Supaplex | at least from the perspective of what I know so far |
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| 00:07.01 | jdm64 | Supaplex: I'm not sure what .254 is it's not replying from any of my computers |
| 00:07.21 | Supaplex | might not be important. you can ping 4.2.2.2 though? |
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| 00:08.26 | jdm64 | Supaplex: no that doesn't work an .1 should be my gateway because I have another device that's reporting .1 as the gateway |
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| 00:09.36 | dominik_ | hey guys |
| 00:09.37 | gregcoit | are the permissions for the /tmp dire defined anywhere on a debian system? |
| 00:09.44 | jdm64 | Supaplex: or could it be my binded eth0:0 that I have? |
| 00:09.55 | korhojoa | my good sire, it is not that dire! |
| 00:10.03 | korhojoa | (oh god what have i done) |
| 00:10.12 | Supaplex | jdm64: are you using bridging? |
| 00:10.32 | korhojoa | jdm64: btw, use pastebin |
| 00:10.43 | korhojoa | or flood |
| 00:11.01 | jelly-home | gregcoit: typically it's mod 1777, owned by root:root |
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| 00:11.18 | dominik_ | has anybody a glue why some greek characters aren't displayed in my terminals even though I've setup the utf-8 locale correctly? |
| 00:11.23 | jdm64 | Supaplex: I don't think so, I have one network card eth0, and I have a "static virtual interface" eth0:0 |
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| 00:11.33 | gregcoit | jelly-home: right, but is that defined anywhere? maybe in /etc ... |
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| 00:11.49 | deed02392 | could someone suggest a way i might map the size of the files occupying my hard drive in all but one folder? |
| 00:11.52 | Atomix | i'm still having this error dondelelcaro |
| 00:11.53 | Atomix | Jan 4 01:00:38 WS-10094 mysqld[17955]: InnoDB: Error: log file /var/lib/mysql/ib_logfile1 is of different size 0 5242880 bytes Jan 4 01:00:38 WS-10094 mysqld[17955]: InnoDB: than specified in the .cnf file 0 104857600 bytes! |
| 00:12.03 | Atomix | i've delete the file |
| 00:12.11 | Atomix | and it's recreated with the same size |
| 00:12.30 | jdm64 | Supaplex: http://debian.pastebin.com/d463a1564 that's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:12.32 | Supaplex | jdm64: can you ping anything else on the subnet? |
| 00:12.50 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: you're deleting it after stoping mysql, right? And you're using the my.cnf that Debian distributes, now, right? |
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| 00:13.23 | jdm64 | Supaplex: nope, and that's weird because I'm sshed into the server right now |
| 00:13.27 | dondelelcaro | BTW, this is YA example of why I loathe mysql |
| 00:13.28 | Supaplex | jdm64: you put static in ../interfaces but you have no gateway there. I guess you added it by hand? :) |
| 00:13.43 | korhojoa | dominik_: i've got some glue. don't know how to send it to you though |
| 00:13.46 | dondelelcaro | totally useless tuning parameters and arbitrary filesize limitations |
| 00:13.48 | jopa | que cuentan |
| 00:13.55 | jdm64 | Supaplex: yeah, but it was working, I guess before I had to restart |
| 00:14.06 | dominik_ | korhojoa: haha, I meant clue ;-) |
| 00:14.13 | korhojoa | i know. i'm just being a dick |
| 00:14.17 | korhojoa | you have fun now :) |
| 00:14.20 | Atomix | yeah right |
| 00:14.26 | dominik_ | korhojoa: yea, lots of |
| 00:14.32 | korhojoa | dominik_: also, have you tried rebooting |
| 00:14.33 | Atomix | i'm going to delete the whole logs then reinstall |
| 00:14.46 | macrobat | dominik_: i think you need an utf8-capable terminal emulator and a font with greek chars for the terminal emulator |
| 00:14.54 | korhojoa | i know, i know, it's a bitch, but, eh. i had lots of trouble getting the finnish chars to work. when i did reboot finally, they did |
| 00:14.59 | dominik_ | macrobat: I'm using xterm |
| 00:15.02 | dominik_ | and bitsream as the font |
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| 00:15.23 | dominik_ | so it should function imo |
| 00:15.24 | macrobat | bitsream and xterm are not up for the job |
| 00:15.31 | Atomix | yeahhh |
| 00:15.34 | Atomix | innodb is working dondelelcaro |
| 00:15.37 | Atomix | thanks a lot for your help |
| 00:15.38 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: cool |
| 00:15.39 | jelly-home | dominik_: xterm with which options? uxterm is a simple wrapper that sets up the correct parameters |
| 00:15.41 | dondelelcaro | Atomix: np |
| 00:15.48 | macrobat | i suggest urxvt |
| 00:15.58 | jelly-home | macrobat: xterm does utf-8. |
| 00:15.59 | dominik_ | macrobat: yea, sorry, |
| 00:16.03 | dominik_ | I'm using uxterm |
| 00:16.04 | jelly-home | (when told to) |
| 00:16.06 | macrobat | aha |
| 00:16.26 | dominik_ | and some special characters (like the german ones) do function properly |
| 00:16.37 | jelly-home | dominik_: and an *-iso10646-1 bitmap font? |
| 00:16.56 | dominik_ | jelly-home: shouldn't bitstream function as well? |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but don't you have to use it for the bot? |
| 00:17.21 | jdm64 | Supaplex: let me try removing the eth0:0 |
| 00:17.22 | jelly-home | dominik_: if there's a version with that encoding, yes |
| 00:17.37 | dominik_ | jelly-home: what kind of font would you suggest btw? |
| 00:17.43 | dominik_ | (or what font are u using?) |
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| 00:18.21 | jelly-home | you don't want to know what I'm using |
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| 00:18.50 | dominik_ | alright, so what type of font should I be using then? |
| 00:19.05 | dominik_ | all I want is to get the greek characters being displayed on my uxterm |
| 00:19.07 | jelly-home | dominik_: where do you specify the font, in the resources or in the command line? How exactly does the option look? |
| 00:19.09 | dominik_ | :-) |
| 00:19.17 | macrobat | idk, dominik_ . i try fonts in fontypython |
| 00:19.25 | dominik_ | I specify it in .Xdefaults |
| 00:19.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, I have to use it for a lot of things. I have intimate knowledge which has lead me to loathe it |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | i'm surprised the infobot/blootbot can't use another DB |
| 00:20.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it can, I'm just lazy |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:20.23 | jelly-home | dominik_: right, grep ^UXTerm ~/.Xdefaults ? |
| 00:20.24 | dominik_ | jelly-home, macrobat: the configuration is nothing special |
| 00:20.41 | dondelelcaro | in this case, it's actually working reasonably ok, and its not high enough of a priority for me to switch it to postgresql |
| 00:20.54 | jelly-home | dominik_: (you are aware that uxterm wrapper uses the different class, UXTerm? Just checking) |
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| 00:21.07 | jopa | hello |
| 00:21.23 | macrobat | hi o/ |
| 00:21.28 | jelly-home | dominik_: use a pastebin if there're more than 2-3 lines |
| 00:21.38 | dvs | jopa: oh, you logged in this time ;-) |
| 00:21.49 | dominik_ | jelly-home: !uxterm*faceName: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=10 |
| 00:21.50 | dondelelcaro | dominik_: the output of xrdb -query|grpe ^UXTerm; will also be useful |
| 00:21.51 | nsadmin | how do I get aptitude to show me the last few packages I installed (not deps thereof)? |
| 00:22.05 | dominik_ | jelly-home: btw: just no exlamation mark of course ;) |
| 00:22.16 | dondelelcaro | dominik_: its UXTerm*faceName |
| 00:22.23 | karim__ | hi |
| 00:22.23 | dondelelcaro | not uxterm |
| 00:22.29 | karim__ | I would like to share a folder with two users, so I have set the folder as 775, with the sgid bit, and two users in the same group, and set the umask to 002, however if I copy files, they don't inherit the permissions 775 of the shared folder |
| 00:22.51 | karim__ | they keep the originating rights. |
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| 00:23.16 | dondelelcaro | karim__: they should be gid of the group of the outer folder |
| 00:23.18 | karim__ | with acl it's the same. so it means, if someone just copy files, or moves them, it will totally mess the folder |
| 00:23.18 | dondelelcaro | s/folder/directory/ |
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| 00:23.44 | dondelelcaro | karim__: the actual permission bits set is entirely dependent on the umask of the user creating files there |
| 00:23.59 | dominik_ | jelly-home: could you please enter some greek characters? :) |
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| 00:24.12 | dondelelcaro | dominik_: ÏÎ´ÎµÏ |
| 00:24.27 | dominik_ | dondelelcaro: I don't see the characters |
| 00:24.28 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: sgid is inherited yes, however, if source directory and files are g+rx, the dest files will be g+rx instead of g+rwx |
| 00:24.38 | dominik_ | instead I see rectangles |
| 00:24.42 | jopa | quien hablaba |
| 00:24.42 | dondelelcaro | karim__: no, that's wrong |
| 00:24.51 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: try it |
| 00:25.00 | jelly-home | dominik_: does eg. uxterm -fn "-bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-bold-r-normal--16-160-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1" work better? |
| 00:25.02 | dondelelcaro | karim__: the permissions on the directory have nothing to do with the resultant permisions |
| 00:25.13 | dondelelcaro | karim__: that's set by umask and chmod |
| 00:25.17 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: try it |
| 00:25.25 | dondelelcaro | karim__: I don't need to; I know precisely how it works. |
| 00:25.38 | keith4_ | jopa, #debian-es |
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| 00:26.25 | dominik_ | jelly-home: nope, sorry it doesn |
| 00:26.31 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: no you don't |
| 00:26.36 | jelly-home | dominik_: does it find the font? |
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| 00:26.45 | osx5 | hello all |
| 00:26.46 | dominik_ | jelly-home, dondelelcaro: more precisely: it does not have any effect |
| 00:26.52 | dominik_ | jelly-home: yes it does find the font |
| 00:27.05 | dominik_ | jelly-home: (cause it really looks like bitstream) |
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| 00:27.11 | dominik_ | (so I assume it does find it) |
| 00:27.19 | dondelelcaro | karim__: uh... I'm telling you precisely why you're seeing the behavoir you're seeing. You can't obtain the results that you're trying to get without the participation of the users who are creating files in that directory, or the use of ACLs |
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| 00:27.44 | dominik_ | jelly-home: the thing I'm wondering about is why some characters are displayed and some arent :-( |
| 00:27.50 | deed02392 | could someone suggest a way i might map the size of the files occupying my hard drive in all but one folder? |
| 00:27.51 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: the shared folder is set as this rwxrwsr-x the umask is 0002. if my user copy to this folder a file that is rwxr-xr-x, then the file will be rwxr-xr-x |
| 00:28.07 | dondelelcaro | karim__: if they want it to be, certainly. |
| 00:28.14 | paradoxmonkey | How can I get a list of inserted usb disks? |
| 00:28.30 | dondelelcaro | karim__: they could just as easily create it with 0775 if they wanted |
| 00:28.31 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: what I would like is rwxrwxr-x so other users that are in that same group can delete the files |
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| 00:28.48 | dondelelcaro | karim__: users who are in that group can already delete the files |
| 00:28.53 | dondelelcaro | karim__: they just can't modify them directly |
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| 00:29.03 | dominik_ | dondelelcaro: jelly-home: e.g. I can see the german special characters (and many other french characters and similar). But I cannot see many greek letters :-( |
| 00:29.30 | dondelelcaro | karim__: there's no way you can force the users to create the files with 0775; that's not how unix permissions work |
| 00:29.41 | jelly-home | dominik_: it's possible your font doesn't actually have those characters, I guess. Try the terminus fonts, or the dejavu family. |
| 00:29.44 | dondelelcaro | (well, not without using ACLs or similar) |
| 00:30.00 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for the precision, but I would like to enforce always full control by all users in this group. |
| 00:30.27 | dondelelcaro | karim__: you can't; the users have to participate too |
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| 00:31.11 | dominik_ | jelly-home: I've already done so. It didn't have any effect either |
| 00:31.32 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: yes but that's holed. since a user can have is file deleted but not modified, this doesn't makes much sens |
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| 00:31.45 | dondelelcaro | karim__: that's how it works |
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| 00:31.55 | dondelelcaro | karim__: deleting or creating files in a directory involves modifying the directory, not the file |
| 00:32.05 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: lol yes I see |
| 00:32.14 | jelly_ | ÏÎ´ÎµÏ |
| 00:32.39 | jelly_ | this shows them: uxterm -fn "-dejavu-dejavu sans mono-bold-r-normal--16-160-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1" |
| 00:32.47 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: yes, that's the design, but well it seems more a design defect than a real choice |
| 00:32.57 | karim__ | I mean to not be able to enforce |
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| 00:33.18 | dondelelcaro | karim__: that's just a limitation of normal unix permissions; if you want to do something else, you use ACLs |
| 00:33.31 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: the user participation is just an argument to excuse a design hole |
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| 00:33.49 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: well I have similar problems with acls |
| 00:33.57 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: but I am just begining |
| 00:34.29 | dominik_ | jelly_: over here the very same setting doesn't unfortunately :-( |
| 00:34.33 | karim__ | it seems acl have the same problems regarding cp and mv and permission inheritance |
| 00:34.36 | dondelelcaro | karim__: it's a design decision which is well known and has specific limitations; because it is such an underlying assumption of almost everything, it's not going to change |
| 00:35.05 | jelly-home | dominik_: and you have the fonts installed (ie. xterm doesn't complain it can't find the font)? |
| 00:35.16 | dondelelcaro | but best of luck |
| 00:35.36 | dominik_ | jelly-home: well I've installed ttf-dejavu-core and extra |
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| 00:35.52 | osx5 | hey when I try to run dpkg as sudo on my netbook it says my username isn't in the sudoers file? where is that file at? |
| 00:36.01 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: well i guess it would require to much processing to look at parents permissions and such |
| 00:36.07 | karim__ | isn't that the reason ? |
| 00:36.13 | dominik_ | jelly-home: however, uxterm tells me "Warning: cannot convert string "nil2" to type FontStruct |
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| 00:38.02 | dondelelcaro | karim__: no, that's not the reason |
| 00:38.30 | dondelelcaro | karim__: the reason is because it's not secure to change the permissions of a file based on where you're copying it to |
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| 00:39.56 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: well I think it's not to the creators to decide it shouldn't be possible at all even with some option |
| 00:40.18 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 00:41.35 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: a user should also be carefull where he copies it's stuffs |
| 00:41.36 | jelly-home | wonders what's wrong with using umask 002 and rws directories |
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| 00:42.04 | jelly-home | or 007 |
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| 00:42.22 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: nothing, as far as I'm concerned... we use that configuration in loads of places which have tons of users which can modify files |
| 00:42.30 | dondelelcaro | but the users are all clueful, so... |
| 00:42.40 | dany_ | (<)(>) Holasss (<)(>) |
| 00:42.48 | \amethyst | perhaps you want a default ACL? |
| 00:42.57 | \amethyst | though that won't help with mv or cp -p |
| 00:43.01 | dany_ | (<)(>) Como estan rodos (<)(>) |
| 00:43.13 | nsadmin | !es |
| 00:43.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:43.18 | dany_ | (<)(>) Alguien de chile (<)(>) |
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| 00:43.52 | karim__ | but well in the and, I will just put manually all users group files as rwx to match the actual umask |
| 00:44.02 | jelly-home | \amethyst: nothing that a weel placed cron job can't fix in a minute. :-> |
| 00:44.33 | karim__ | in fact it would be conform to what dondelelcaro said. the default will be rwx for the group, and cp will preserve that |
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| 00:45.14 | karim__ | anyway I never really understood how to use the primary group of a user when it's the same as the username |
| 00:45.23 | Gambaroin | abrotman no.. why? |
| 00:45.37 | dominik_ | jelly-home: even though my problem is still not resolved |
| 00:45.43 | dominik_ | jelly-home: thanks a lot for your help! |
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| 00:45.48 | jelly-home | eh |
| 00:45.50 | dominik_ | jelly-home: I really appreciate it |
| 00:45.51 | ganymede | i'm a bit confused about NFS...i used NFS to share /mnt/N on a server, which had 74 gigs used, 1.4 gigs free. from a client, i mounted myserver:/mnt/N and deleted a 14 GB file off that mount. now, on the server, it still reports 74 gigs used and 1.4 gigs free from df -h, but the deleted file no longer appears in /mnt/Nand du -sh /mnt/N says 61 gigs (which is correct and expected) why haven't the df -h results updated? the /etc/export |
| 00:45.51 | ganymede | s on the server contains: /mnt/N luckybun(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | Gambaroin: what ? |
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| 00:46.27 | Gambaroin | abrotman the filesystem is not cretaed from another OS |
| 00:46.34 | jelly-home | dominik_: I'm going to bed, perhaps someone else will have more ideas |
| 00:46.46 | abrotman | Gambaroin: oh jeez .. that was hours ago! :) |
| 00:46.46 | dominik_ | jelly-home: yea, me too |
| 00:46.53 | dvs | ganymede: how did you delete the file? |
| 00:46.57 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: deleting files removes the link to them on the filesystem, and doesn't necessarily free up the space until all processes which are accessing the file have closed their filehandles |
| 00:47.00 | Gambaroin | abrotman yes, sorry. was a bit afk |
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| 00:47.32 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: this gets even more complicated when you're talking about NFS and you may have stale filehandles about |
| 00:47.32 | ganymede | dvs, on the client, i did "mv /mnt/N/bigfile.tar ~/bigfile.tar" and it did not show any errors |
| 00:48.25 | jelly-home | Gambaroin: are you trying to mount an ext4 filesystem as ext3? |
| 00:48.26 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: what does lsof /mnt/N/bigfile.tar on the server and client say? |
| 00:48.28 | pac1 | I did a network install and ended up with the "Waiting for root file system ..." error. Where can I find accurate info on how to fix this? Using Grub2menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux (5.0.3) (on /dev/sde2)" {insmod ext2 et root=(hd4,2) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 893744e3-4b5a-49d1-b161-3d259dbf4163linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/sde2 initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:48.58 | pac1 | s/et/set/ |
| 00:49.05 | dominik_ | jelly-home: seems to be a known bug http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg74824.html |
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| 00:49.34 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, on the server, lsof: status error on /mnt/N/home.2009-04-04.tar: No such file or directory |
| 00:50.00 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, the reason i ask is because i'd like to move in about 10 gigs on stuff onto /mnt/N but cannot since it only reports 1.4 GB free space |
| 00:50.14 | jelly-home | dominik_: hah, it seems you really should have used some other terminal emulator then |
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| 00:50.37 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, the complete lsof output also does not mention the 14 gig file |
| 00:50.42 | dominik_ | jelly-home: yea, I'll do this right now ;-) |
| 00:50.49 | jelly-home | ganymede: are any processes on any clients still holding the file open? |
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| 00:51.01 | Gambaroin | jelly-home it should be an ext3.. |
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| 00:51.36 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: does it mention it on the client? has the move completed? |
| 00:51.56 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: does lsof +f -- /mnt/N; output it? |
| 00:53.19 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps know of any good webcams that are cheap and work with linux |
| 00:54.01 | jelly-home | Gambaroni: what does "dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdb1 |grep features" say? |
| 00:54.26 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, yes, the move has completed, and mv said that it removed /mnt/N/[bigfile].tar. the command you pasted mentions my zsh shells that are cd'd into /mnt/N and mentions lsof itself since it's cwd is /mnt/N but nothing about the tar file |
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| 00:55.08 | jason__ | good afternoon everybody |
| 00:55.27 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: ? mv should't produce any output... |
| 00:55.28 | ganymede | jelly-home, there should be any clients holding the file open...mv completed and removed the file, and lsof on the only client does not mention anything |
| 00:55.34 | jason__ | Im trying to download debian, but I want the full package DVD that has gnome and KDE. I went to download it and I found like 6 DVD ISO images, all 4 gig in size. What is this? I expected only one DVD. |
| 00:55.35 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, i used mv -v |
| 00:55.37 | dominik_ | jason__: over here it's already 2am in the morning :) |
| 00:55.41 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: and on the server? |
| 00:55.47 | jason__ | dominik_: well dang, someones up late |
| 00:55.48 | jason__ | :P |
| 00:56.05 | dominik_ | jason__: which is why I'm going to sleep now ;-) |
| 00:56.08 | dominik_ | have fun guys! |
| 00:56.26 | Gambaroni | dumpe2fs 1.41.3 (12-Oct-2008) |
| 00:56.26 | Gambaroni | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype needs_recovery sparse_super large_file |
| 00:56.32 | Gambaroni | jelly-home |
| 00:56.35 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, i had run that command that you pasted on the server. on the client, it deosn't output anything at all |
| 00:56.36 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: maybe a fuse mount could solve this problem ? |
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| 00:57.09 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: I guess this programm doesn't exist yet, but probably fuse could change on the fly the rights |
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| 00:57.57 | BlueG | can anyone think of a word processor that would be lighter and faster than abiword? |
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| 00:58.09 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: hrm; well, that's kind of unusual, then. don't have any more good suggestions |
| 00:58.15 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: a text editor |
| 00:58.27 | ganymede | BlueG, how about google docs running on chromium browser? |
| 00:58.35 | jhutchins_lt | BlueG: vim |
| 00:58.51 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: you can always unmount the filesystem, and restart nfs and see if that clears it up |
| 00:58.56 | dvs | edlin |
| 00:59.11 | adb | nano .. |
| 00:59.12 | iluminator101 | i installed a new kernel now my i cant access my windows partition i get this error saying you are privileged to mount this volume why? |
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| 00:59.40 | jhutchins_lt | vim having been written by a well-published novelist... |
| 01:00.02 | Gambaroni | jelly-home check the paste as well if you missed that.. http://pastebin.com/m7bdce1a6 |
| 01:00.25 | jelly-home | Gambaroni: alright, that looks like a (reasonably fresh) ext3 format, not ext4. Can you pastebin the whole of dumpe2fs -h? |
| 01:00.30 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, yep, i did those both, unmounted from the client, restarted nfs kernel server from the server, but i wouldn't want to do that everytime i want to clear up space on a hard drive on the server...not yet ready to restart the server...i'll unmount the /dev/sdb1 on the server and fsck it and remount it... |
| 01:00.52 | jelly-home | Gambaroni: also, uname -r? |
| 01:01.26 | karim__ | dondelelcaro: does a fuse mount would make sens ? maybe you muted me ^^ |
| 01:01.37 | jhutchins_lt | Gambaroni: What kind of system created this filesystem? |
| 01:02.24 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: yeah, you really shouldn't have to do that; it's probably a bug in the kernel or filesystem... honestly, though, I haven't seen that happen on the NFS volumes that I've got |
| 01:02.32 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, yep, NOW the free space shows up... =/ |
| 01:02.33 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: what is the underlying filesystem, and what kernel are you running? |
| 01:02.45 | jason__ | so guys - the Debian DVD that has everything packaged with it - is it just one DVD or are there multiple DVDs? |
| 01:03.00 | dondelelcaro | jason__: the full system is about 4 DVDs |
| 01:03.16 | dondelelcaro | jason__: but you don't even need the first one if you have any kind of reasonable internet connection |
| 01:03.31 | jason__ | I just want the one that has KDE and Gnome together. |
| 01:03.37 | dondelelcaro | jason__: the first dvd does |
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| 01:03.48 | jason__ | so if I just download the first DVD thats all I need? |
| 01:03.59 | jelly-home | ganymede: there's likely no need to umount/fsck/remount, this was just a case of _something_ holding the file open (eg. nfs server for some reason) |
| 01:04.11 | dondelelcaro | jason__: everything else you can download from the internet, yes. You honestly don't even need *that*, though. You can just use the netinst and install them |
| 01:04.27 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: yeah, but it should have shown up in the lsof output, which it didn't |
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| 01:04.44 | jason__ | do you happen to know what version of KDE the latest Debian stable comes packaged with>? |
| 01:04.52 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: not on server it wouldn't be. But on a client, yes. |
| 01:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: Stable is 3.5. |
| 01:05.09 | jason__ | Theres no KDE 4.x yet on Debian? |
| 01:05.11 | BlueG | well, I have gedit and vim for text editing, but something that supports basic formatting and maybe even reads some of the popular office formats would be nice |
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| 01:05.14 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: Because 4 is distinctly NOT stable. |
| 01:05.25 | dondelelcaro | jason__: 4 is in testing and unstable |
| 01:05.26 | jason__ | I've ran 4 for quite a while with no issues. |
| 01:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: Yes, but it's not in stable. |
| 01:05.29 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, it's XFS with an etch kernel...i'd blame XFS rather than the kernel though... |
| 01:05.36 | jason__ | 4.2+ is pretty darn stable. *shrug* |
| 01:05.43 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: That just means you've failed to find the problems. |
| 01:05.47 | jason__ | oh well, I tried. maybe when debian supports it I'll be back. |
| 01:05.50 | BlueG | chromium + Google Docs is considerably slower than abiword |
| 01:05.59 | dondelelcaro | ganymede: ah, yeah, I honestly haven't run XFS, so I can't really say |
| 01:06.04 | jason__ | I doubt that. Other distros are running KDE 4.3 just fine with little issues. |
| 01:06.08 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: I don't think you understand what "stable" is about. |
| 01:06.10 | ganymede | jelly-home, if that were the case, wouldn't it refuse to let me unmount? |
| 01:06.17 | jason__ | I'll check back with Debian whenever they get it working. |
| 01:06.19 | jason__ | thanks guys. |
| 01:06.31 | jelly-home | ganymede: that's the theory |
| 01:06.34 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: You are incorrect. 4.3 is a lot closer, but it doesn't meet the criteria for stable in debian. |
| 01:06.55 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: we actually think it will, honestly. |
| 01:07.10 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: er, 4.3.2 is in testing at the moment, and 4.3.4 wil be soonish, probably |
| 01:07.10 | jason__ | jhutchins_lt: perhaps its not stable by debians standards, but I've used it extensively with very little issue, if any at all. This is speaking from 4.2+ though (primarily 4.3) |
| 01:07.14 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: Besides which, it's perfectly easy to run bleeding-edge, unstable software (or something just a little off) in debian. It's just that it's up to you. |
| 01:07.16 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: it's in testing for a reason. If we didn't think it would meet the criteria eventually, it wouldn't be there |
| 01:07.25 | brbrbr | hi guys |
| 01:07.32 | dondelelcaro | (we being Debian; I have nothing to do with packaging KDE) |
| 01:07.33 | jason__ | jhutchins_lt: how easy would it be for me to grab 4.3.X on debian? (if possible at all) |
| 01:07.50 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: One of the reasons things might not go into stable is because while they might work fine for you, they don't work for other people. |
| 01:07.53 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: Very easy. |
| 01:07.57 | dondelelcaro | jason__: if you're running testing, that's what you get. if you're running stable, you have to backport it or hope that someone has done it for you |
| 01:08.12 | jason__ | oh, okay - it sounds like testing is what I want then. Does testing come with 4.3? |
| 01:08.28 | dondelelcaro | jason__: 4.3.2, yes. |
| 01:08.29 | BlueG | I was also a bit surprised that gnumeric is faster and more responsive than abiword, I guess I usually think of a spreadsheet as a more complex application. |
| 01:08.40 | jason__ | I'm just trying to find the best debian based KDE distro out there. So naturally, I wanted to check with Debian. :P |
| 01:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: I would suggest you start out with Lenny (stable), then learn about using mixed stable & testing and do that. |
| 01:08.43 | brbrbr | after reinstalling debian on partilly encrypted[dm-luks]volume, debian can't get access to it. point is luksOpen works, but what i should do further ?[to return to original state] |
| 01:08.51 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: I have excellent reports from a friend who does just that. |
| 01:09.08 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: they're kind of different... honestly, I personally use LaTeX+emacs for just about everything |
| 01:09.11 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: eugh, mixing stable + anything newer is a recipe for failure |
| 01:09.28 | jason__ | Besides Kubuntu and Debian/KDE, are there any other debian based KDE distros that are pretty popular and solid to use? |
| 01:09.45 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: A lot of people run mixed systems and prefer them to pure testing. |
| 01:10.02 | brbrbr | Debian maybe :-) Ubuntu is "solid to use" ? funny |
| 01:10.02 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: but if you want what most people call a word processor, you're pretty much stuck with either abiword, oowriter, or koffice |
| 01:10.19 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I run a mixed system, but stable's _not_ in the mix. |
| 01:10.34 | jason__ | brbrbr: I've used ubuntu for about 5 years. That's also including the fact I've tried red hat, fedora, suse, etc. It's actually very solid - but we don't need to get into a debate here about that. |
| 01:10.49 | jason__ | Back to my question... besides kubuntu and debian/kde, what other solid debian based kde distros are available for me to try? |
| 01:11.05 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's either stable (+ backports), or something newer without stable. Stable <-> testing are too far away to even consider that for me. |
| 01:11.06 | jamelyn | jason__: other distros are offtopic |
| 01:11.27 | jason__ | jamelyn - being I was asking along the lines of debian based I was hoping I wouldn't get re-directed to yet another channel. |
| 01:11.31 | brbrbr | jason, of course, not, especially because this is Debian channel, not ubuntu and testing-based distro can't be solid "in debian scale" by design |
| 01:11.38 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: So what would "something newer" be, other than testing itself? |
| 01:11.43 | jason__ | brbrbr: understandable. |
| 01:11.54 | jamelyn | jason__: still offtopic |
| 01:11.54 | brbrbr | point is Sidux[for example]is alot better sid-based distro, than Ubuntu |
| 01:11.56 | jason__ | well, if that's the case, I'm out guys. |
| 01:11.59 | jason__ | jamelyn - whatever. |
| 01:12.08 | jhutchins_lt | jason__: Up to you. |
| 01:12.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: testing, or sid, or testing+cherry picking, or sid+cherry picking |
| 01:12.26 | jason__ | jhutchins_lt: after all, that's the power of linux - choice. Gotta love it man. :) |
| 01:12.42 | jason__ | have a good one guys |
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| 01:13.03 | brbrbr | nobody about to point me to "how-to" get dm-crypted partion accesible ? |
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| 01:13.55 | jamelyn | brbrbr: google helps. http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian |
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| 01:14.26 | iluminator101 | i installed a new kernel now my i cant access my windows partition i get this error saying you are privileged to mount this volume why? |
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| 01:14.47 | brbrbr | jamelyn tnx 4 link. i tried google, but 1st 11 pages contain partilly relevant things or just basic dm-crype/luks descriptions[and/or out of date] |
| 01:15.23 | platz1 | what to do if a x86_64 binary runs on a ubuntu system but not on an debian, both am64 ? any hint on what to do , i get just file or Directory not found |
| 01:15.44 | brbrbr | iluminator101 seems ntfs access default changed ? and/or type of ntfs driver[from ntfs-3g to ntfs-rw for exmaple |
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| 01:15.51 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: Personally, I have been wanting to learn LaTeX and emacs, and I use vim quite a bit. But this isn't for me, and yes, I was going for what most people call a word processor, so I think abiword will be the best option, even though it is painfully slow on 100MHz machine with 64MB of RAM. |
| 01:16.08 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: oh good grief. Yeah, anything's going to be painfully slow on that |
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| 01:16.39 | iluminator101 | brbrbr i am not following |
| 01:16.46 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: spend US$50 and replace that with at least a P3 with 512M |
| 01:16.48 | BlueG | you know, I heard Windows 7 was going to be so light and fast, it would replace Linux distros on low-end and older hardware. I'd like to see Windows 7 run on this machine! LOL |
| 01:16.52 | dondelelcaro | (or probably less) |
| 01:17.10 | dvs | BlueG: wouldn't even fit on that machine; |
| 01:17.10 | ganymede | dondelelcaro, jelly-home: thanks for the advice and help |
| 01:17.56 | BlueG | dondelelcaro: I don't have $50 to spare and rather than send this thing to the landfill I'd rather give it to someone who can use it who also doesn't have $50 to spare. |
| 01:17.58 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: you may even be able to find a similar machine for free; though without knowing where in the planet you are, I can't say for certain |
| 01:18.06 | ganymede | BlueG, wow, i thought i was hardcore for running linux on a 533 MHz P3 with 128 MB RAM |
| 01:18.08 | BlueG | dvs: I know. That is why I laugh. |
| 01:18.12 | brbrbr | iluminator101 what ntfs support was enabled on new kernel ?[type, mode, defaults] how about changes on fstab ? how about inevitable tomoyo/selinux hardenig? |
| 01:18.23 | BlueG | ganymede: I win! |
| 01:19.02 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: that machine is pretty much only good for recycling, unfortunatly. |
| 01:19.20 | iluminator101 | brbrbr permission to pm |
| 01:19.35 | BlueG | I was quite proud of getting a pretty usable desktop system on 700MHz with 128MB of RAM, but this is really pushing the envelope. |
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| 01:20.19 | dondelelcaro | BlueG: try craigslist or similar; you'll almost certainly waste more on electricity for that machine in a year than it's worth |
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| 01:20.51 | rgr_ | crikey. getting 256 color urxvt proved some doing. |
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| 01:21.37 | jelly-home | was using sarge on a P5 w/ 128MB, and X apps ran MUCH better when it got 320MB instead |
| 01:21.47 | jelly-home | P3* |
| 01:22.42 | ganymede | the first time i ran desktop linux on a computer faster than 450 MHz P3 (back in 2004), i was AMAZED |
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| 01:24.38 | rgr_ | wha? That nothing worked? ;) I'm happy as larry - about to dump gui desktop altogether as all the apps I need now working happily in screen. But boy was the whole TERM thing a nightmare. Gave up on xterm and now settled on urxvt with 256 color patch. Looks great and so much more life in the old laptop now. |
| 01:25.34 | macrobat | can you have 256 colors in screen or tmux? |
| 01:26.04 | rgr_ | One of the biggest hurdles actually should have been the simplest. I was missing xclip so cut/paste between console emacs and other x apps in screen could work, |
| 01:26.14 | rgr_ | what does tmuc mean? |
| 01:26.18 | rgr_ | tmux |
| 01:26.50 | macrobat | tmux (terminal multiplexer) is supposed to be a better screen |
| 01:27.01 | macrobat | is not in lenny |
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| 01:27.21 | rgr_ | never heard of it to be honest. Jus using normal screen with TERM as rxvt-unicode |
| 01:28.48 | rgr_ | and I must say that despite some home/end issues urxvt is a LOT better at correctly representing the keys to other apps. |
| 01:29.12 | rgr_ | and yes, there are 256 colours. |
| 01:29.12 | macrobat | i dont think i have xterm installed, even :D |
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| 01:30.22 | rgr_ | macrobat: terminals, xresources, termcaps, terminfo, xbindkeys etc etc etc combine to make the biggest mess in IT history. It's astonishingly complicated. |
| 01:31.09 | macrobat | X is a beast :) |
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| 01:33.37 | planet8 | Anyone running debian on the "Asus Eee PC Seashell 1008HA" who can tell me how much the fan works, how noisy it is when for example watching movies? |
| 01:34.53 | stew | planet8: you might ask #eeepc on this network or #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
| 01:35.03 | BlueG | What I really don't understand is why this machine thinks gnote doesn't exist... |
| 01:35.03 | planet8 | thanks |
| 01:35.44 | stew | BlueG: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:35.57 | BlueG | stew: Lenny |
| 01:36.02 | stew | judd: versions gnote |
| 01:36.03 | judd | stew: gnote -- lenny-backports: 0.4.0-3~bpo50+1 squeeze: 0.6.2-2+b1 sid: 0.7.0-1 |
| 01:36.11 | stew | BlueG: doens't look like its in lenny, you could get it from backports though |
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| 01:36.50 | BlueG | stew: hmmm, I could have sworn it was installed on my other machines from Lenny, but maybe I did get it from backports... that would explain it. :-) |
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| 01:38.01 | BlueG | stew: indeed, I see on my desktop here it is installed from backports. |
| 01:38.06 | BlueG | thanks |
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| 01:38.33 | stew | you're welcome :) |
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| 01:39.44 | Atomix | i'm back with a new problem |
| 01:39.50 | dvs | hides |
| 01:40.12 | Atomix | i can't load a table by using the following command mysql -D username < backup , i'm having mysql: unknown option '-1' |
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| 01:40.49 | abrotman | in the backup file perhaps |
| 01:40.55 | stew | Atomix: what does "type mysql" return? |
| 01:41.15 | sauvin | Atomix, what form is "backup"? |
| 01:41.46 | sauvin | Stew, I didn't know about type - thanks! |
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| 01:42.01 | Atomix | mysql is hashed (/usr/bin/mysql) |
| 01:42.04 | Atomix | it's a .sql |
| 01:42.24 | stew | sauvin: (it would tell us if, for instance "mysql is an alias to /usr/bin/mysql -1" |
| 01:42.32 | stew | hashed? |
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| 01:43.02 | Atomix | that's what happends when i do "type mysql" |
| 01:43.22 | stew | ahh, ok hashed meaning its hashed the path |
| 01:43.22 | sauvin | mysql is /usr/bin/mysql |
| 01:43.34 | sauvin | What's this "hash" business? |
| 01:43.57 | stew | "the path name of specified commands -- in the shell hash table [8] -- so the shell or script will not need to search the $PATH on subsequent calls to those commands" |
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| 01:44.44 | sauvin | Ah. |
| 01:45.12 | Atomix | i had no problem to load any tables via mysql -u myUser -Mypw -D test4 -e"\. inventory.sql" though |
| 01:45.23 | Atomix | i just managed to get InnoDB engine working |
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| 01:45.53 | Atomix | and now i'm always getting mysql: unknown option '-1' |
| 01:46.15 | sauvin | Something wonky in the .sql file? |
| 01:46.52 | stew | Atomix: something goffy in the [client] section of my.cnf perhaps? |
| 01:46.58 | stew | goofy* |
| 01:47.09 | Atomix | probably like i just read on a forum |
| 01:47.14 | Atomix | but i didn't change anything ~_~ |
| 01:48.12 | Atomix | [client] port = 3306 socket = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 01:53.02 | Atomix | i have no idea what could be wrong in my.cnf since it was working well before stew |
| 01:54.05 | sauvin | How was "backup" generated? |
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| 01:56.33 | Atomix | via mysqldump -C -e -q -u MyUser --password=MyPW db_name inventory > inventory.sql sauvin |
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| 01:58.16 | sauvin | Atomix, assuming inventory.sql is your 'backup', open it in a pager and examine it for weirdness. |
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| 01:59.29 | Freddy1990 | Hi |
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| 01:59.34 | Atomix | i did it but i can't find to seem anything weird |
| 01:59.40 | Atomix | beside stuff like that |
| 01:59.43 | Freddy1990 | Is it normal that the /etc/localtime file is empty? |
| 01:59.48 | Atomix | *SET @saved_cs_client = @@character_set_client; SET character_set_client = utf8; |
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| 02:01.20 | setuid | What should the default user on Debian that runs 'svnserve' be? Installing subversion does not create one... |
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| 02:03.32 | Atomix | sauvin: it is possible to add FOREIGN KEY (`itemOwner`) references players (`id`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE to inventory table & FOREIGN KEY (`player_id`) REFERENCES `players` (`id`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE to player_skills ? |
| 02:04.17 | sauvin | Atomix, I'm the wrong person to ask. I'm a postgresql person, me, and far from expert. There IS a #mysql channel on this server, maybe somebody there is awake? |
| 02:04.18 | Atomix | using phpmyadmin btw |
| 02:04.33 | Atomix | alright, thanks for the help |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | yes, there is a #mysql |
| 02:06.38 | sauvin | The mysql folks seemed happy enough to help me with postgresql problems, and the folks on the PG channel didn't fry me for asking about mysql troubles... :)O |
| 02:06.40 | sauvin | Erm, :) |
| 02:06.45 | sauvin | (stupid lappie keyboard) |
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| 02:23.18 | Freddy1990 | For example, if I have a certain file, and I need to give a certain process access to this file, how would I go about that? |
| 02:24.21 | jamon | Freddy1990: /etc/localtime is a symlink to your timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ |
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| 02:25.01 | Freddy1990 | I c, jamon, I'm having a problem with PHP telling me that the timezone database is corrupt |
| 02:25.14 | Freddy1990 | Found a lot of references about it, but no solution |
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| 02:26.12 | jamon | Freddy1990: pastebin your error, also sounds somewhat php related, checked in ##php? |
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| 02:26.42 | Freddy1990 | jamon: It's not php related, the PHP packages in debian are patched to use the system's timezone database |
| 02:27.03 | colton_ | Does it make any difference whether you download a .bz2, .gz or .zip file? |
| 02:27.05 | Freddy1990 | I'm asuming that php can't access them, but I don't know why or how to fix it |
| 02:27.18 | Freddy1990 | colton_: As long as you know how to unpack them, it doesn't |
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| 02:27.36 | peterrooney | colton_: bz2 files are usually smaller. |
| 02:27.52 | Freddy1990 | but 50kb won't make much of a diff :p |
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| 02:29.24 | colton_ | why does it say .tar.bzip? |
| 02:29.44 | colton_ | is tar like a format and bzip a certain kind of compression? |
| 02:30.29 | jmarsden | Freddy1990: Have you read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492025 |
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| 02:31.07 | Freddy1990 | jmarsden: I have |
| 02:31.57 | osx5 | colton_: tar.bzip is a much more compressed file |
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| 02:32.31 | Freddy1990 | jmarsden: It offers a possible solution, but I don't know how to execute it, the unblocking of the security restrictions for php with those files |
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| 02:33.39 | jmarsden | Freddy1990: And you are running PHP 5.2.6-3 , right? |
| 02:33.53 | jmarsden | On Debian Lenny? |
| 02:34.17 | colton_ | So, if i've decompressed a file like : bunzip2 filename.tar.bz2. and this produces: filename.tar, do I proceed to decompress the tary file using another utility? |
| 02:34.17 | Freddy1990 | jmarsden: 5.2.6-1 |
| 02:34.31 | Freddy1990 | yes, Lenny |
| 02:34.33 | colton_ | *tar |
| 02:34.44 | Justin | colton_: apt-get install unp;unp filename.tar.bz2 |
| 02:34.48 | peterrooney | colton_: pretty close. tar is a way of packing multiple files into one file, preserving directory/subdirectory arrangements. block zip (.bz2) is a way of compressing files that results in (usually) much smaller files than the standard zip method. |
| 02:34.52 | jamelyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.56 | jmarsden | colton_: You can use tar to untar it. or you could have used tar jxf filename.tar.bz2 # to do it in one go. |
| 02:35.02 | jamelyn | colton_: that'll do everything you need |
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| 02:35.30 | jmarsden | Freddy1990: So, the bug report says this is fixed in 5.2.6-3, so update and you will be all set. |
| 02:35.44 | jamelyn | colton_: so basically, you just need to read tar's manpage |
| 02:35.53 | Freddy1990 | jmarsden: apitude says I'v got the latest version |
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| 02:36.53 | nsadmin | how do you indent everything between point and mark in emacs? |
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| 02:37.08 | colton_ | Where do you typically learn these sorts of these about the linux operating system? Books, experience, university courses? |
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| 02:37.23 | nsadmin | colton_ all of the above |
| 02:37.23 | jamelyn | colton_: manpages |
| 02:37.41 | jamelyn | colton_: man tar. man whatever |
| 02:37.42 | colton_ | What's the best way for a layman to learn? |
| 02:37.44 | nsadmin | you have to learn to read man pages |
| 02:37.44 | jmarsden | nsadmin: C-x C-i |
| 02:37.48 | colton_ | *man? |
| 02:37.57 | stew | nsadmin: indent-region which is C-M-\ |
| 02:37.58 | jamelyn | colton_: yes, man |
| 02:38.01 | colton_ | ok. |
| 02:38.04 | stew | nsadmin: wait, what do you mean by indent? |
| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | I want to move the block of text right two columns |
| 02:38.32 | jmarsden | nsadmin: C-u 2 C-x C-i |
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| 02:38.44 | jamon | you guys are sick :p colton_ try wikipedia for starters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_%28file_format%29 |
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| 02:39.35 | stew | or C-x r t <space space enter> |
| 02:39.52 | jamelyn | jamon: tar's manpage gives a lot more/better info than the wikipedia page |
| 02:39.54 | nsadmin | worked great :) thanks |
| 02:40.04 | jhutchins_lt | colton_: One way to describe learning linux is "steep learning curve". Right up front, there are a LOT of things to learn, and it takes a while to make progress. Once you'be built a good foundation though, the curve flattens out, and it gets pretty easy to figure out. |
| 02:40.09 | jamon | jamelyn: depends on what kind of info you're after :) |
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| 02:40.19 | paissad-hp | http://www.developpez.net/forums/group.php?do=picture&groupid=82&pictureid=488 |
| 02:40.47 | nsadmin | man pages are technical reference |
| 02:40.48 | jamelyn | jamon: uh, the one asked about |
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| 02:40.55 | jhutchins_lt | colton_: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
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| 02:40.57 | nsadmin | stew: you saw that? |
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| 02:41.21 | jhutchins_lt | Damn. Just missed him. |
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| 02:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | colton_: Or not. |
| 02:41.38 | Groose_paloute | Dude ... seriously ... get a mac |
| 02:41.47 | stew | nsadmin: yes, thanks |
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| 02:42.09 | jhutchins_lt | colton_: the command "apropos <term>" will give you a list of man pages relevant to <term>/ |
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| 02:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes man pages are technical references, sometimes they're good user guides. Depends on the man page. |
| 02:43.01 | jamon | jamelyn: i tend to agree, and don't dispute the value of man pages, but the wikipedia page answers colton_'s original question about what a tar.bzip2 file *is* more than the man page |
| 02:43.05 | colton_ | Hehe, get a mac. I want to learn linux, but i'd like to have a pretty good idea what the fundamental concepts are. Would a textbook give a good overview? |
| 02:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | jamon: Good point. |
| 02:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | Multiple resources. |
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| 02:43.41 | nsadmin | jmarsden: say I wanted to go one to the left... right is c-x c-i,,, left? |
| 02:43.50 | jamon | yep, being a good researcher is all it takes colton_ |
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| 02:44.15 | jmarsden | nsadmin: Use negative values for the count... C-u -1 C-x C-i |
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| 02:45.11 | nsadmin | colton_: probably. you can straighten out the curve by picking out exactly what you will learn for a given period, and don't get crazy with adding more |
| 02:45.30 | nsadmin | jmarsden: cool, thanks |
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| 02:45.42 | midnightleutenan | I'm having a problem with apt- |
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| 02:45.56 | jmarsden | colton_: See something like http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html for a basic getting started guide to Linux in general |
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| 02:46.27 | jmarsden | nsadmin: You're welcome |
| 02:46.30 | midnightleutenan | It's stuck and isn't handling an error properly. |
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| 02:47.01 | jmarsden | midnightleutenan: Please pastebin the command you are using and the resulting error output so we can see it... |
| 02:47.07 | osx5 | anyone see nvz in the channel today? |
| 02:47.08 | nsadmin | midnightleutenan: you'll have to be specific about what's going on |
| 02:47.10 | midnightleutenan | jmarsden, Alright |
| 02:47.25 | midnightleutenan | nsadmin, apt-mark doesn't appear to be doing its job. |
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| 02:48.17 | nsadmin | this have to do with apt-get picking or failing to pick depended-on packages? |
| 02:48.37 | Groose_paloute | Don't you have some feces to masturbate in? |
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| 02:48.55 | jhutchins_lt | Wouldn't one of the first suggestions be "use aptitude"? |
| 02:48.56 | Groose_paloute | dude forget linux get a girl friend |
| 02:49.02 | Groose_paloute | ( or boy ) |
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| 02:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | Nice shootin' stew. |
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| 02:50.20 | midnightleutenan | Output at http://pastebin.com/m6ee799a2 |
| 02:50.45 | midnightleutenan | nsadmin, Not really. It's more that I explicitly deselected a package and it won't save the new state. |
| 02:51.18 | Freddy1990 | jmarsden: I managed to update to php 5.2.11, it works now, thx |
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| 02:52.27 | midnightleutenan | It's cyclical. It won't let me remove the package, nor will it let me install it. |
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| 02:53.19 | jmarsden | midnightleutenan: So what depends on ati-driver that is currently installed? Anything? |
| 02:54.00 | midnightleutenan | jmarsden, Nothing that is presently selected. I accidentally did a wildcard which installed everything I wanted (and unfortunately unnecessary drivers.) |
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| 02:54.53 | jmarsden | midnightleutenan: Can you apt-get purge libgl1-mesa-dev and then fix up ati-driver ? |
| 02:55.28 | midnightleutenan | jmarsden, I can certainly give that a try |
| 02:55.35 | midnightleutenan | jmarsden, thanks for the advice |
| 02:55.45 | jmarsden | The two conflict, so... it's probably worth trying :) |
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| 02:59.33 | midnightleutenan | jmarsden, Thanks! That did work. Now I have other packages to fix :D |
| 02:59.42 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 03:11.31 | colton_ | I'm working from a standard debian installation, and i'm going to install a program called myProgram which I downloaded and unpacked using tar -jxf myprogram.tar.bz2. To install this program, the instructions say to: "./build" in an appropriate directory. Which directory should I build (install?) this program in? |
| 03:12.10 | Rata_ | hi everybody..ihave an intel dual core e6600 cpu and want to use debian 64BIT...which image do i need? amd64? ? |
| 03:12.24 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 03:12.31 | Gnurdux | amd64 is the name of the arch |
| 03:12.39 | Gnurdux | it includes intel 64-bit processors as well] |
| 03:12.50 | abrotman | colton_: /usr/local/bin/ if it gives the optoin |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | Rata_: amd64 or i386 |
| 03:13.06 | Rata_ | ok thx |
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| 03:13.15 | Rata_ | but i386 doesnt support 64 bit right? |
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| 03:14.08 | Gnurdux | Rata_, it will run on a 64-bit processor |
| 03:14.24 | Gnurdux | it wont be able to run stuff in 64-bit mode hto |
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| 03:14.37 | Rata_ | yeah# |
| 03:14.43 | Rata_ | so ill use amd64 thx |
| 03:14.56 | Gnurdux | Rata_, you probably should think about i386 |
| 03:15.02 | Gnurdux | things like Flash will work better |
| 03:15.16 | Gnurdux | and most stuff gets little or no performance boost from 64-bit mode |
| 03:15.22 | colton_ | notably, nothing is in my usr/local/bin file right now. |
| 03:15.51 | colton_ | why is /usr/local/bin the best choice? |
| 03:15.52 | Rata_ | i just want to use debian 64 bit as host system for kvm..my virtual machines inside will use 32 bit...some |
| 03:15.56 | jamon | colton_: first, did you check for the program you wanted with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 03:16.02 | colton_ | yes. |
| 03:16.14 | jamon | colton_: good ;) |
| 03:16.41 | jamon | colton_: when you unpack the file, does it create a directory? |
| 03:16.48 | jamon | or explode everywhere? |
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| 03:17.06 | colton_ | Yes. |
| 03:17.12 | colton_ | It created a directory. |
| 03:17.32 | jamon | so in that directory, according to what you posted, there should be a script called build |
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| 03:18.13 | colton_ | yes. |
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| 03:19.28 | jamon | colton_: so you'll need to check the readme some more or look at the script to see where it wants to install itself |
| 03:20.07 | jamon | colton_: what is the file you downloaded? |
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| 03:20.19 | tiveron | hi |
| 03:20.22 | colton_ | qtHaskell |
| 03:20.37 | colton_ | it has bindings for Haskell to Qt. |
| 03:20.41 | kingsley_ | Why would an outbound email be in Mail/outbox.0, but not be recorded in /var/log/exim4/mainlog*? |
| 03:20.51 | kingsley_ | The "mailq" command reports nothing. |
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| 03:22.04 | aidan | How can I see what package is providing "java" |
| 03:22.08 | colton_ | how do you set the CC environment variable? $CC = value? |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | aidan: dpkg -S .. though that was is alos controlled by update-alternatives |
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| 03:23.57 | abrotman | aidan: so, "dpkg -S $(readlink /etc/alternatives/java)" |
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| 03:28.53 | paissad-hp | if i create my own package, stuff i did correclty btw, ... how must i proceed in order dpkg --remove does not remove some files ? |
| 03:29.15 | paissad-hp | i created the package by myself using dpkg-deb --build, |
| 03:29.51 | paissad-hp | but when i used dpkg --remove, it proceeds as the same way dpkg --purge does too |
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| 03:30.41 | abrotman | are the files listed in the foo-pkg.list ? |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | or foo-pkg.conffiles |
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| 03:31.15 | paissad-hp | uhhh, let me check |
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| 03:32.46 | paissad-hp | abrotman, yes, the file i don't want to be removed is into /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo-pkg.list |
| 03:33.12 | abrotman | paissad-hp: you should clean up your package completely normally .. which file are you leaving behind ? |
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| 03:33.40 | newsense | yay, my dvd image finally finished via jigdo, not sure why i strayed away from it in the past but it was fast and easy |
| 03:33.42 | bioshock78 | Jest ktos? |
| 03:33.48 | abrotman | english ? |
| 03:33.59 | bioshock78 | no |
| 03:34.14 | bioshock78 | only polish |
| 03:34.23 | abrotman | not here, there is a #debian-pl though |
| 03:34.30 | bioshock78 | okey |
| 03:34.33 | paissad-hp | abrotman, i don't want /opt/ps3mediaserver/PMS.conf to be removed during "dpkg -r" pastebinit -i /var/lib/dpkg/info/ps3mediaserver.list |
| 03:34.33 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f18d54cb3 |
| 03:34.33 | bioshock78 | thanks man |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | paissad-hp: then it should be in your conffiles |
| 03:35.03 | abrotman | so, foo-pkg.conffiles |
| 03:35.24 | abrotman | i guess ps3mediaserver.conffiles |
| 03:35.29 | paissad-hp | abrotman, how should i proceed during the build ? |
| 03:35.46 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 03:35.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 03:36.15 | abrotman | i'd ask that channel, i'm not even sure you should really be using /opt/ |
| 03:36.25 | babilen | he shouldn't |
| 03:36.44 | paissad-hp | why ? |
| 03:36.50 | abrotman | well, i don't know what the package does, and it doesn't seem he's trying ot make it an official package |
| 03:37.08 | babilen | paissad-hp: have a look at the fhs .. /opt is for the system administrator |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | probably shouldn't have conf files in /opt/ at any rate |
| 03:37.35 | paissad-hp | babilen, i use to hear that /opt/ is for optionnal packages ... |
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| 03:37.51 | babilen | paissad-hp: but you could do anything you want with your package if you don't plan to have it included in the official repositories |
| 03:37.54 | \amethyst | babilen: "/opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software packages." |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | paissad-hp: i'd not be happy if something put files in /opt/ |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | that's a personal thing i guess |
| 03:38.19 | nsadmin | I'm trying to find out what's using my alsa hw:0.0; how can I do that? |
| 03:38.25 | \amethyst | but you're right, OS packages should not use it |
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| 03:38.46 | \amethyst | /opt/bin etc are reserved for the sysadmin |
| 03:39.02 | abrotman | nsadmin: fuser or lsof perhaps ? |
| 03:39.05 | paissad-hp | thanks for the advice |
| 03:39.19 | babilen | paissad-hp: but it's your package .. so it's probably even a good idea to use a directory like /opt or /usr/local |
| 03:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: So define "add on". |
| 03:39.47 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: So define "add-on". |
| 03:39.51 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: not part of the OS |
| 03:40.05 | nsadmin | abrotman: ok... cool. but, the spec hw:0,0 isn't a file, how can I find the file that it is? |
| 03:40.08 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: Define the scope of "the OS". |
| 03:40.08 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: at least that's what I take it to mean |
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| 03:40.34 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: I dunno |
| 03:40.45 | jhutchins_lt | desktop environments now commonly include filesystem mounting utilities. |
| 03:40.57 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: for Debian I would take it to mean anything in the Debian archive, or in contrib or non-free |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: /proc/alsa/cards ? maybe? |
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| 03:41.52 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: Then there's the whole question of what constitutes user customization on a single-user system. Does it go under /home/user? |
| 03:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | That's the fun thing about standards: there are so many to choose from. |
| 03:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | Debian embraces this, possibly more than any other distribution. |
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| 03:45.45 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: how so? |
| 03:45.58 | nsadmin | the scope of the os is 7! * 3! / 6! |
| 03:46.02 | babilen | hmm... #d-o maybe ? |
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| 03:46.47 | nsadmin | argh... none of that stuff in /proc/asound is a device node... should there be any? |
| 03:46.49 | aidan | abrotman: thanks for the answer, but I'm not sure it worked: http://dpaste.org/eKrS/ |
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| 03:47.22 | abrotman | aidan: from what i can tell, it's telling you that the binary pointed to is missing |
| 03:47.28 | abrotman | or not installed |
| 03:47.29 | nsadmin | I need to learn this someday... |
| 03:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | Well... It embraces the many different ways to set up a system. You can do stable. You can add testing. You can go with testing, or you can use backports. You can use Debian default configuration schemes, from any of the last six releases. You can accept defaults, or you can build your own. |
| 03:47.49 | abrotman | aidan: ls -l /usr/bin/java ... you'll see it pointing to /etc/alternatives/java |
| 03:48.01 | \amethyst | but that doesn't mean packagers can ignore the FHS |
| 03:48.15 | \amethyst | though it appears that Policy doesn't specifically mention /opt |
| 03:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | Debian just seems a bit more open than other distros. |
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| 03:49.05 | babilen | \amethyst: I am sure that a package that install into /opt would be considered buggy .. |
| 03:49.28 | \amethyst | babilen: for a package in the archive, probably |
| 03:49.40 | babilen | sure |
| 03:49.41 | abrotman | by Debian Policy perhaps .. but that doesn't mean it's wrong for all uses |
| 03:49.45 | nsadmin | compare to slack, where there's like one or two developers, both of whom think no one else should be doing anything like building their own kernel... |
| 03:49.48 | \amethyst | babilen: almost certainly, in fact---I just can't find where Policy says that |
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| 03:50.33 | nsadmin | policy is challenged for having flaws and not being close to current usage |
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| 03:50.44 | \amethyst | babilen: there are third-party .debs that install into /opt, though---World of Goo is one example |
| 03:50.44 | nsadmin | a lot |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-policy@lists.debian.org/msg00588.html |
| 03:50.49 | abrotman | that's really old though |
| 03:50.55 | babilen | I don't mean that the debian package toolchain can't be used to install "private" packages and that these packages should follow the policy in every little detail. |
| 03:51.14 | abrotman | aidan: find it ? |
| 03:51.16 | \amethyst | right... |
| 03:52.11 | newsense | i would like to install a package from source but have apt manage it, what do i need ? |
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| 03:52.38 | babilen | newsense: a debian source package? or some random tarball? |
| 03:52.47 | newsense | babilen: random tarball |
| 03:52.57 | newsense | sorry should have been more specific |
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| 03:53.28 | newsense | well not random tarball, i trust it and know what it is |
| 03:53.39 | pandrew | if i don't intend to compile any kernel modules, then is it safe to remove the kernel-headers package? |
| 03:53.40 | abrotman | newsense: you'd have to create a package, or look at stow/checkinstall |
| 03:53.48 | babilen | newsense: You would have to create a debian package then, which would mean that you are the package maintainer. I would just install the program/library to /usr/local and don't bother |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | pandrew: you may need it to compile/install other things |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | pandrew: but i guess you'll find out then .. |
| 03:54.21 | pandrew | abrotman: for example? |
| 03:54.24 | newsense | i would rather make it a package really |
| 03:55.02 | babilen | newsense: say hello to the new maintainer documentation, dh_make and debhelper then :-D |
| 03:55.15 | newsense | babilen: i know theres an easier way |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | pandrew: just remove it if you don't think you'll need it, not a big deal to install again later |
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| 03:55.38 | babilen | newsense: easy way is probably dh_make |
| 03:55.42 | newsense | babilen: i'm not trying to get it into the repos or anything |
| 03:55.59 | newsense | ill check that out than |
| 03:56.20 | newsense | or stow/checkinstall as abrotman suggested |
| 03:56.35 | nsadmin | whew... firefox-bin had my pcm |
| 03:56.45 | babilen | newsense: You still have to package the software. The process is the same for packages that go into the repository and those that don't. They might differ in their policy conformance though .... |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | nsadmin: you mean flash had it ? |
| 03:57.08 | nsadmin | I suppose so... how do you configure that? |
| 03:57.36 | newsense | babilen: ok thanks, i guess i'll have to decide which i want to do than |
| 03:57.57 | newsense | i'll look into the procedure and see if i am up for it or not |
| 03:59.20 | aidan | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2010-01-01 14:41 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java -> ../../../../../bin/gij-4.3 |
| 03:59.44 | pandrew | abrotman: well, it's build by me with make-kpkg. And i'm building a livecd, and wondering if i should include it, i'm trying to shave off about 10 compressed megabytes. Removing this package would gain me about 4 megabytes. |
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| 04:00.06 | babilen | newsense: have a look at stow/checkinstall too. great tools. But if you want a *real* package you have to create one. this could be as easy as running dh_make once. But you might have to change some things. That highly depends on the orig sources though |
| 04:00.42 | aidan | dpkg -S ah got it, |
| 04:00.42 | dpkg | Badgers ate my ah got it,! |
| 04:00.43 | aidan | $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gij-4.3 |
| 04:00.56 | newsense | babilen: thanks again, i'm trying to query dpkg now to read up a little more on these things |
| 04:01.15 | babilen | newsense: enjoy |
| 04:01.29 | pandrew | on a related note do kernel-headers depend on the configuration of the kernel? Can someone install another kernel-headers package, not made by my make-kpkg, but with the same kernel version, and use it?? |
| 04:01.29 | newsense | i will :) |
| 04:02.58 | aidan | when I remove a package, how can I remove everything that was installed with it? |
| 04:03.59 | pandrew | aidan: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get when installing, only the packages you specified yourself will be marked as not autoinstalled |
| 04:04.30 | sansen | aidan, sudo aptitude purge package |
| 04:04.47 | pandrew | aidan: and when you remove packages with aptitude it should remove autoinstalled packages that have nothing depending on them, afaik |
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| 04:06.14 | aidan | pandrew: it doesn't seem to have done that |
| 04:06.38 | pandrew | aidan: have you used apt-get to install those packages, or aptitude? |
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| 04:07.33 | stew | it doesn't matter which he used to install them |
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| 04:08.03 | aidan | pandrew: aptitude |
| 04:08.36 | pandrew | stew: maybe it's something from the older days, but i remember that when i used apt-get all my packages got marked as manually installed, so i switched to aptitude |
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| 04:09.36 | stew | pandrew: apt-get in stable tracks auto/manual installed packages, and there is the apt-mark tool to manipulate them and "apt-get autoremove" to remove no longer needed auto-installed packages |
| 04:09.38 | pandrew | aidan: maybe you installed other packages that depend on the packages that were already installed |
| 04:10.16 | stew | aidan: can you give us a concrete example? |
| 04:10.44 | aidan | I installed default-jre-headless, and it autoinstalled a dozen other packages |
| 04:11.00 | aidan | I've removed default-jre-headless, but it only removed that package |
| 04:11.33 | stew | judd: depends default-jre-headless |
| 04:11.35 | judd | stew: default-jre-headless -- Depends: java-common, java-gcj-compat-headless (>= 1.0.77-4) |
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| 04:12.04 | stew | aidan: is java-gcj-compat-headless installed? what does "aptitude why java-gcj-compat-headless" return? |
| 04:12.31 | stew | bah, aptitude in lenny doesn't have the 'why' command, does it |
| 04:12.36 | aidan | i docbook-xsl-saxon Depends java-gcj-compat | java1-runtime | java2-runtime |
| 04:12.37 | aidan | i A java-gcj-compat Depends java-gcj-compat-headless (= 1.0.78-2) |
| 04:12.45 | aidan | Seemed to work, stew |
| 04:13.06 | stew | aidan: right, so java-gcj-compat-headless doesn't get removed becuase of docbook-xsl-saxon which is manually installed |
| 04:13.13 | stew | aidan: do the same for java-common |
| 04:13.18 | stew | aidan: what version of debian is this? |
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| 04:15.01 | paissad-hp | i was here to sign up for an account http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-signup but i got an error ~$ LANG=C gpg --export --armor paissad_temp-spam@yahoo.fr > public-key-file |
| 04:15.01 | paissad-hp | gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
| 04:15.05 | newsense | man i'm still confused, stow, checkinstall or dh-make |
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| 04:18.37 | indrora | Has anyone else had problems with the r128 driver causing nasy flickering when you scroll? |
| 04:19.09 | newsense | dh-make= makes a .deb package from tarball, checkinstall just makes notes of where make install puts files so they can be removed by removing the deb and stow just manages stuff installed to /usr/local ? |
| 04:19.34 | newsense | stow uses no deb right ? |
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| 04:21.36 | feld | ex: pyversions doesnt show anything but 2.5 |
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| 04:28.52 | orudie | is it possible to install wine on debian server |
| 04:29.26 | Supaplex | !wine |
| 04:29.26 | dpkg | [wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
| 04:29.46 | Supaplex | in short, yes. |
| 04:30.41 | indrora | can anyone help me with my r128 driver issue? |
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| 04:31.27 | indrora | vesafb is slooow but the r128 drivers magically work. However when scrolling I get evil nasty snow on my display |
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| 04:39.58 | macrobat | judd: versions python |
| 04:39.59 | judd | macrobat: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 sid: 2.5.4-5 squeeze: 2.5.4-5 experimental: 2.5.4-8 |
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| 04:40.50 | macrobat | meh |
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| 04:47.59 | smacnay | is the libdvdread4 in deb sid disabled in some way? |
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| 04:51.55 | aidan | stew: ah cool |
| 04:52.01 | aidan | I'm going to install another java |
| 04:52.26 | andymax | hey; with a fresh debian etch xfce install, usb drives don't automount; I've installed hald, dbus, and thunar-volman..how do I get them to automount? |
| 04:52.26 | stew | aidan: if you do, you'll probably want to use update-java-alternatives to change your default java implementation |
| 04:52.42 | aidan | then that should satisfy those other dependencies ... |
| 04:53.08 | andymax | I've also added the appropriate usernames to the "plugdev" group; cdrom and floppy works, but no usb... |
| 04:54.40 | andymax | wow nevermind guys, sorry; it's just this shady reader |
| 04:54.43 | andymax | sdcard reader |
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| 04:56.39 | aidan | yay, there they go |
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| 05:12.17 | rking | I am confused on how to properly run sound in Debian. It seems like a lot of good audio programs want jackd running, but then that preempts other programs (such as iceweasel). Is there a set-it-and-forget-it way to do this stuff? |
| 05:12.47 | rking | I can do it manually, but I want my kids to be computer-music literate, and this is a speedbump that doesn't encourage them. |
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| 05:15.29 | rking | Dang. |
| 05:16.32 | rking | *tap* *tap* Is this thing on? |
| 05:17.00 | jmarsden | rking: Use /ping to check your server connection rather than doing that sort of nonsense. |
| 05:17.24 | liable | yeah, its clogging up the channel! :P |
| 05:17.36 | rking | jmarsden: I know, but I'm seeing all of the quits, and I don't know if my text is being read. |
| 05:17.41 | rking | But you answered the question. =) |
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| 05:20.21 | develop | hi |
| 05:20.33 | rking | develop: hi, also. |
| 05:20.39 | develop | i remove apt how ca i reinstall |
| 05:20.53 | develop | tried dpkg -i apt |
| 05:21.01 | develop | but does not work |
| 05:21.08 | rking | develop: You have to download a .deb for apt (or aptitude) |
| 05:21.17 | develop | k |
| 05:21.29 | rking | develop: you can plod around on packages.debian.org until you find the right version for your distro and arch |
| 05:22.49 | develop | thnks |
| 05:24.27 | rking | Is my question clear? ... Some examples of problems: If I want to run something like zynaddsubfx, I have to have jackd going, but then if at the same time I want to play an mp3, mpg123 doesn't want to work with jack |
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| 05:26.15 | ruben23 | hi |
| 05:28.42 | orudie | This is the error i got after apt-get install wine in debian http://dpaste.com/140805/ |
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| 05:30.24 | develop | only found source for etch @http://packages.debian.org/etch/apt will need |
| 05:30.28 | develop | to build |
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| 05:31.00 | rking | develop: no way. you're on etch and, what, i386? |
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| 05:31.25 | rking | orudie: that's not too gnarly looking... try another apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 05:31.40 | develop | yes |
| 05:31.54 | rking | orudie: it should at least give you a clearer error message (you have a lot of successful output showing there that is crowding out the actual error) |
| 05:32.26 | develop | i386 used debootstrap --arch i386 etch /chroot/ http://ftp.debian.org |
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| 05:34.03 | rking | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/apt/download |
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| 05:34.41 | rking | that link I just pasted is at the bottom of the page that you pasted |
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| 05:35.09 | rking | It's kind of a silly organization, I guess, to put the source packages at such a more prominent place on the page when probably the user is just looking for the .deb |
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| 05:36.46 | bimbo | hello, is it possible to search for a package using aptitude in specific repository (e.g. unstable) |
| 05:37.11 | develop | got it thnks but i do get dpkg: error processing apt but the command is back |
| 05:37.25 | develop | gpg: symbol lookup error: /lib/libreadline.so.5 |
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| 05:37.56 | orudie | rking, http://dpaste.org/48nP/ |
| 05:38.01 | rking | develop: then maybe you need some prerequisites -- all are linked from packages.debian.org/etch/apt |
| 05:38.59 | rking | orudie: there's no problem there except the security warning about that wine.budgetdedicated.com repository |
| 05:39.13 | rking | orudie: do the apt-get upgrade to see the rest |
| 05:40.06 | orudie | rking, http://dpaste.com/140813/ |
| 05:40.33 | develop | think its apt-utils |
| 05:40.46 | orudie | rking, http://dpaste.com/140813/ |
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| 05:41.33 | rking | orudie: you're not pasting the whole error... do you know about redirecting? |
| 05:42.16 | develop | http://dpaste.com/140814/ |
| 05:42.42 | orudie | rking, nope :) |
| 05:42.45 | rking | orudie: although I'm pretty sure that "cannot reserve enough space for object heap" is at the root of your problem |
| 05:42.57 | orudie | rking, thats after apt-get upgrade |
| 05:43.21 | rking | orudie: OK, when a text-base program spits something to the screen, it can come on one of two places, even though both will look the same: 1) stdout, 2) stderr |
| 05:43.37 | nike | I've got a Debian VPS using Virtuozzo |
| 05:43.44 | rking | orudie: to redirect stdout to something else, you can do: some_command > some_file |
| 05:43.50 | nike | and even though I should have 20+GB |
| 05:43.59 | nike | I get an out of space error |
| 05:43.59 | rking | orudie: to redirect stderr you can do some_command 2> some_file |
| 05:44.00 | nike | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:44.00 | nike | /dev/simfs 13G 471M 0 100% / |
| 05:44.00 | nike | tmpfs 3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 05:44.00 | nike | tmpfs 3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /dev/shm |
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| 05:44.23 | rking | orudie: or you can make both all go to the same file: some_command 2>&1 > some_file |
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| 05:44.39 | rking | orudie: so do the apt-get upgrade 2>&1 > errorlog |
| 05:44.45 | nike | Is this a problem with my host? |
| 05:44.51 | rking | orudie: then use that errorlog file as your paste |
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| 05:45.52 | rking | nike: how it says "size 13G / used .5G" and then says it's at 100%? |
| 05:45.58 | darkblue_B | hi - is architecture i686 necessarily 64bit? how can I tell if this debian linux is 64bit? |
| 05:46.22 | tabris|away | darkblue_B: i686 arch is 32bit. |
| 05:46.24 | nike | rking: It's a virtual machine, I'm not sure |
| 05:46.34 | darkblue_B | thx |
| 05:46.45 | orudie | rking, apt-get upgrade 2>&1 > errorlog after i did that it is just hanging there, the cursor doesn't return |
| 05:46.47 | rking | nike: http://wiki.openvz.org/OpenVZ_disk_quota,_df_and_stat_weird_behaviour |
| 05:46.53 | tabris|away | darkblue_B: `uname -m` i686 or x86_64 ? |
| 05:47.02 | rking | nike: that might give you an idea of how involved the question can get. =) |
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| 05:47.27 | rking | orudie: try this: apt-get upgrade 2>&1 | tee errorlog |
| 05:47.47 | orudie | rking, i think its because its prompting for Y/n input |
| 05:48.53 | orudie | rking, apt-get upgrade 2>&1 | tee errorlog worked, the content is in the errorlog file, not sure how to copy it so that i could paste it |
| 05:49.26 | rking | orudie: you could open it in gedit or something |
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| 05:49.40 | rking | orudie: i would personally use xclip, but it's a little arcane |
| 05:49.47 | darkblue_B | tabris|away: i686 |
| 05:50.22 | tabris|away | darkblue_B: ok, then you're on a 32bit arch, at least for your userspace |
| 05:50.29 | darkblue_B | thx |
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| 05:55.50 | orudie | he left :( |
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| 06:02.04 | develop | what is the diff bettween leny and etch ? just need a debian with some pypackages for ec2. |
| 06:02.46 | develop | my source.list just has deb http://ftp.debian.org etch main and it seems that leny distr have more packages avalable like python-mlpy |
| 06:03.12 | jmarsden | develop: Lenny is a newer release, the current stable Debian release. Etch is "oldstable", the one before that. |
| 06:03.23 | develop | k |
| 06:03.58 | develop | so bettter use lenny : debootstrap --arch i386 lenny should work? |
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| 06:04.24 | jmarsden | I think so, yes. |
| 06:04.28 | develop | how do i get a 64bit version using debootstrap of lenny |
| 06:04.52 | jmarsden | develop: --arch amd64 # I think, I have not tried that. |
| 06:05.16 | peter_12 | slightly off topic: If I write some software and license it with the GPLv3, can I still also sell it under a non-free license? |
| 06:05.42 | dondelelcaro | peter_12: yes |
| 06:05.48 | jmarsden | peter_12: Yes, but don't get legal advice from IRC, get a paid law professional to advise you! |
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| 06:06.18 | peter_12 | dondelelcaro, jmarsden: where can I learn more online? Is there a place where this sort of thing is written about? |
| 06:06.25 | axscode | Depends: libopenssl but it is not installable hi guys im using the lenny, how i may able to fix this dependencies? |
| 06:07.07 | jmarsden | peter_12: What you are thinking of is dual licensing, Googling for that should help. |
| 06:07.24 | peter_12 | jmarsden: thanks. |
| 06:07.27 | tabris|away | peter_12: fsf.org is best place to start, if you're looking at GPL. mind you, they do tend to be biased towards open licenses. |
| 06:07.37 | dondelelcaro | peter_12: see the GPL FAQ, for example |
| 06:07.43 | peter_12 | tabris|away: thanks |
| 06:07.48 | peter_12 | dondelelcaro: thanks also |
| 06:08.00 | dondelelcaro | peter_12: though as has been said, you almost certainly want to get paid legal advice from someone who knows what they're talking about |
| 06:08.10 | tabris|away | peter_12: but well worth considering is that in order to dual-license a program, either all your dependent libs must be LGPL (or MIT, BSD, Apache, etc), or they must all belong to you |
| 06:08.24 | tabris|away | peter_12: and yes, we're not lawyers, and we cannot back up our opinions in court. |
| 06:08.39 | dondelelcaro | (and even if we were, you're not our client) |
| 06:08.44 | peter_12 | tabris|away: good point about the dependent licenses. Thanks |
| 06:09.11 | tabris|away | dondelelcaro: quite, and that is part of why we cannot back up our opinions in court. |
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| 06:12.08 | axscode | Depends: libopenssl but it is not installable |
| 06:12.12 | axscode | any help for this please? |
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| 06:14.18 | tabris|away | axscode: sure you're using debian? |
| 06:14.26 | tabris|away | axscode: i don't find a libopenssl, just a libssl |
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| 06:17.57 | tabris|away | axscode: ref to libopenssl is for ruby. the actual C code lib is called libssl0.9.8 in debian |
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| 06:23.01 | confusid | Hello, I've changed my ip from dhcp to static and when using /etc/init.d/networking start i get an error of configuring network interfaces...SIOCADDRT: no suck process failed to bring up eth0. How do I correct this? |
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| 06:27.40 | willluongo | confusid: are you root? |
| 06:27.47 | confusid | yes |
| 06:28.06 | confusid | used su - then password |
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| 06:28.48 | willluongo | how did you change your ip from dhcp to static? |
| 06:28.52 | confusid | googled how to set static ip.. after looking at 5 examples that were the same I set it |
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| 06:29.02 | confusid | the file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:29.14 | willluongo | will you please put it in pastebin so can look at it? |
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| 06:29.33 | confusid | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup |
| 06:29.54 | confusid | that comptuer does not have connectivety but it is the same as what's on that link |
| 06:29.55 | willluongo | confusid: I meant your /etc/network/interfaces file :) |
| 06:30.27 | willluongo | confusid: the exact same? |
| 06:31.24 | confusid | :) you may want to shoot me.. I see the error now :) |
| 06:31.41 | confusid | had 92.168.1.10 not 192.168.1.10 :) |
| 06:31.42 | confusid | ehhe |
| 06:32.18 | willluongo | :) |
| 06:32.23 | confusid | ty :) |
| 06:32.29 | willluongo | you are welcome |
| 06:32.33 | confusid | time for bed :) |
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| 06:37.50 | confusid | tomarrow I'll install debian on my desktop computer.. this one it is on now is a old pc I'd like to use to learn how to make/upgrade ports |
| 06:40.58 | confusid | good night |
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| 06:41.41 | cesurasean | I keep getting errors when trying dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc. everytime i install the programs it complains about, they just keep installing and won't stop. lol do I HAVE to remove, purge them, and then run this command?! |
| 06:41.48 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.12 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to make lenny recognise an external drive at boot time, even if it's pugged into a different port? |
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| 06:52.13 | octaveous | hi all, |
| 06:52.26 | octaveous | I am trying to build omnet deb package , can anyone elp |
| 06:52.28 | octaveous | help* |
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| 06:57.57 | akempa | hi everybody |
| 06:59.09 | akempa | which virutalisation software should i use for network and security testings? i want to set up like 5 vms..for server and desktop testing.....kvm? xen? virtualbox |
| 07:00.39 | jmarsden | akempa: Use the one you know and can get help with if you get stuck :) For beginners, virtualbox-ose is perhaps the easiest to set up. |
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| 07:02.17 | akempa | ok...i dont have a problem with learning about new software |
| 07:02.24 | akempa | what would you use_ |
| 07:03.57 | jmarsden | akempa: For general testing and playing around on a desktop machine, virtualbox-ose. It's what I am running right now. |
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| 07:06.08 | octaveous | I need some help regarding building deb packages, Any one., |
| 07:06.52 | jmarsden | octaveous: You'll need to be more specific than that if you want help. Ask a more specific question... |
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| 07:08.14 | jmarsden | octaveous: For a general guide, try http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ :) |
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| 07:15.01 | Gambaroni | jhutchins_lt the same I'm running rihgt now |
| 07:15.48 | akempa | thx jmarsden |
| 07:16.03 | jmarsden | akempa: You're welcome. |
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| 07:20.23 | omid8bimo | http://i.imgur.com/S6qU7.jpg ;) |
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| 07:32.51 | Gambaroni | jelly there? |
| 07:34.42 | nike | # df -h |
| 07:34.42 | nike | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 07:34.43 | nike | /dev/simfs 13G 534M 0 100% / |
| 07:35.08 | nike | also, "mount" returns /dev/simfs on / type reiserfs (rw,usrquota,grpquota) |
| 07:35.41 | nike | I can't run my server daemons like Tor because Tor thinks it cannot write to /var due to lack of space |
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| 07:38.00 | tawan | i never get asked a password for gksu (this is obviously may fault but unsure where to look) |
| 07:39.14 | tawan | I recently did sudo visudo to clean up some issues, I had it so I never required sudo for anything, i now have it so sudo is only not required for shutdown and aptitude .. i'll pastebin my sudoers... |
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| 07:40.23 | tawan | http://pastebin.com/d73db0485 |
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| 07:51.03 | caimlas | hi, I seem to have buggered apt/dpkg somehow. system hung (likely due to vbox kernel modules) while I was doing an `aptitude install ntop`. It didn't completely install (was iF status now pF), and I can't perform aptitude remove/purge or force it due to the error "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" - anyone have a clue how I might fix this? |
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| 08:05.42 | cyberjorge | noob question, how do I copy a file from a Windows PC share using only CLI? |
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| 08:07.33 | nkuttler | is the etch spamassassin affected by the 2010 bug as well? |
| 08:07.43 | willluongo | cyberjorge: have you mounted the share? |
| 08:08.12 | nkuttler | caimlas: fix the script? /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 08:08.16 | cyberjorge | willluongo: not yet :) |
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| 08:09.50 | ponky | cyberjorge: well, mount the share and just cp |
| 08:09.52 | ponky | :P |
| 08:09.56 | caimlas | nkuttler, i'll take a look, thanks |
| 08:09.58 | willluongo | cyberjorge: mount -t smbfs -o username=<name>,password=<passwd> //sambashare /mountpoint |
| 08:10.55 | caimlas | nkuttler, I'm looking, and all the files which belong to the ntop package seem to be of size 0 (all the ones I've checked so far at least) |
| 08:11.03 | sauvin | 2010 bug? |
| 08:11.10 | cyberjorge | willluongo: thanks a bunch, by the way how do you ifconfig when using the netinstall defaults? |
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| 08:11.42 | willluongo | cyberjorge: I am sorry, I am not sure what you are asking |
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| 08:12.57 | cyberjorge | willluongo: I used debian install and only installed the default base system. but when issue the command ifconfig, it says command not found, just want to get my ip |
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| 08:13.23 | tawan | cyberjorge, open gmail and look at the bottom of the page |
| 08:13.23 | willluongo | cyberjorge: you have to be root |
| 08:13.31 | willluongo | cyberjorge: or use sudo |
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| 08:14.10 | nkuttler | cyberjorge: /sbin/ifconfig ? |
| 08:14.14 | cyberjorge | willluongo: ok, that worked as a root but not using sudo |
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| 08:14.47 | nkuttler | cyberjorge: well, man 5 sudoers to fix that |
| 08:15.39 | caimlas | nkuttler, thankfully it was only two packages, I manually downloaded and installed them forcefully, and it looks like the dpkg records are all integral now. |
| 08:15.46 | caimlas | nkuttler, thanks for the pointer, though. |
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| 08:35.27 | hamzie | why does my motd always erase on reboot? |
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| 08:35.46 | genoobie | okay I'm going to give debian another shot |
| 08:35.54 | genoobie | but I need a kernel > .25 |
| 08:36.00 | genoobie | to suppot my sound card |
| 08:36.09 | genoobie | which ver of debian am I going to get? |
| 08:36.16 | genoobie | lenny was too old iirc |
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| 08:37.38 | genoobie | debian squeeze |
| 08:37.40 | genoobie | oaky |
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| 08:37.53 | willluongo | genoobie: I am running lenny, I have 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 08:38.12 | genoobie | ugh |
| 08:38.15 | genoobie | if I remember right there was some problem with the snd card |
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| 08:40.37 | genoobie | willluongo, you still here? |
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| 08:40.49 | genoobie | how can I check if the snd card is supported by lenny |
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| 08:40.58 | willluongo | what kind is it? |
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| 08:45.53 | cyberjorge_ | nkuttler: "no manual entry for fix in section 5", still can't use sudo command |
| 08:46.04 | krion | hi |
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| 08:47.02 | genoobie | will? |
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| 08:47.07 | genoobie | willluongo, you here? |
| 08:47.11 | willluongo | yeah I am still here genoobie |
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| 08:47.20 | willluongo | what kind of sound card is it/ |
| 08:47.21 | genoobie | I guess my sound card is only supported in .31+ |
| 08:47.29 | genoobie | so which debian is that? |
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| 08:48.18 | willluongo | what kind of sound card do you have genoobie ? |
| 08:48.30 | genoobie | crappy crystal fusion in a laptop |
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| 08:49.48 | genoobie | is there a generic driver I could apply? |
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| 08:50.14 | genoobie | willluongo, it's a crappy crystal fusion laptop sound |
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| 08:53.53 | willluongo | genoobie: are you sure you can't modprobe the driver? |
| 08:54.29 | genoobie | yah, tried like everything |
| 08:54.38 | genoobie | well not entirely sure |
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| 08:58.21 | willluongo | what did you try genoobie ? |
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| 09:05.55 | Shtl | hello, on lenny installed PC as a router, i can able to acces internet on client PCs through squid proxy installed on router, when i bypass it with client browser i cant able to access in any client attached to it |
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| 09:08.17 | willluongo | Shtl: what is your question? |
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| 09:22.17 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. i'm running lenny on amd64 over here. |
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| 09:22.44 | pluesch0r | unfortunately, i'm getting segfaults in libresolv-2.7.so |
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| 09:23.02 | pluesch0r | memory is ECC, so it shouldn't be broken. |
| 09:23.10 | pluesch0r | any idea what i could be doing to solve this issue? |
| 09:23.27 | pluesch0r | (except for shutgun-debugging by rebooting) |
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| 09:24.27 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: Have you tried searching Google's indices for libresolv-2.7.so and the error message? |
| 09:24.35 | pluesch0r | yes. |
| 09:24.47 | smhar | greetings |
| 09:24.59 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: Did you search both the web and usenet indices? |
| 09:25.27 | frostschutz | ECC memory can break too ;) |
| 09:25.40 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: i have. usually, IRC is not my first source of information, since usually i end up having discussions like the one we're having right now. |
| 09:25.50 | pluesch0r | i.e. not helping. |
| 09:25.55 | smhar | I am trying apt-get upgrade after around 2 months and there is a huge 1.5GB of download to be done! I know I have a lot of software installed but... |
| 09:26.04 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: What, if anything, did you find? |
| 09:26.44 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: a reference concerning lenny-proposed-updates entries in sources.list that should probably fix the bug. |
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| 09:27.27 | smhar | I am not sure but could this be because of a previous change I made. There was a error before with apt servers and I was told to disable the diff files. and I did. but I do not remember how. |
| 09:27.32 | cheavera | When is start x manually the workspace width in gnome is about 100px less then the actual resolution. I have a bar at the right side of the desktop that can't be used. Hope it makes sence. Does someone know how to fix this? |
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| 09:29.13 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: do you have a hunch what could be the problem here? |
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| 09:30.30 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: I'm checking it out... |
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| 09:31.21 | pluesch0r | thanks to ipmi, i'm on that box right now. the problem shafts - amongst others - sshd, sendmail and (yay) apt. |
| 09:31.21 | apt | pluesch0r: sure thing |
| 09:32.00 | jelly | apt: shut up |
| 09:32.01 | apt | as you wish, master jelly |
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| 09:33.06 | jelly | pluesch0r: version of libc6? |
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| 09:33.22 | pluesch0r | 2.7-18 |
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| 09:34.55 | Shtl | willluongo: i m using lenny installed PC as router here also squid proxy server on it, now problem is i enabled ipv4 packet f/w, but client machines are not getting net, clients can access net only in browser when i enable proxy |
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| 09:35.54 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: Which package on your box provides libresolv-2.7.so, and can it be upgraded? |
| 09:35.56 | sepski | Shtl, sounds like you do not masquerade |
| 09:36.21 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: libc6 |
| 09:36.34 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: as libc6 is on 2.7-18 in stable, i guess it can't be upgraded. |
| 09:36.34 | jelly | pluesch0r: well, the version in p-u fixes #550625 which doesn't look directly related |
| 09:36.49 | pluesch0r | plus, of course, running apt-get update doesn't work as DNS resolution is broken. |
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| 09:37.06 | willluongo | Shtl: you will need to use NAT forwarding most likely |
| 09:37.11 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: What does "pt-cache policy libc6" report? |
| 09:37.20 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: What does "apt-cache policy libc6" report? |
| 09:37.23 | Shtl | willluongo: how to do that? |
| 09:37.26 | jelly | pluesch0r: you should be able to get the package from an ftp mirror using an ip address |
| 09:37.28 | Shtl | can u help me? |
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| 09:37.36 | sepski | Shtl, i suggest using shorewall and the 2 interface howto. it's very easy, flexible and powerful iptables rules builder. |
| 09:37.43 | pluesch0r | lenny/main |
| 09:38.03 | the8thbit | I'm trying to get matchbox desktop environment running, but I can't get it to work. Is there anyone in here who can help me? |
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| 09:38.36 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: Does "apt-cache policy libc6" indicate whether a newer version of libc6 is available? |
| 09:38.39 | jelly | pluesch0r: can you do an "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_cache", see if it's really the in-memory copy that's corrupted? |
| 09:39.02 | jelly | mmm, /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches, sorry |
| 09:39.09 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: Installed: 2.7-18; Candidate: 2.7-18 |
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| 09:39.32 | jelly | judd: versions libc6 |
| 09:39.36 | judd | jelly: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.2-2 sid: 2.10.2-3 |
| 09:39.39 | pluesch0r | jelly: oh great. that worked. |
| 09:39.45 | pluesch0r | wow. |
| 09:40.00 | sepski | Shtl, you can read about it here, http://shorewall.net/two-interface.htm the example files are included in the shorewall packages. and you can just copy them from /usr/share/doc/shorewall* to begin the tutorial |
| 09:40.01 | jelly | pluesch0r: so you really have hw issues |
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| 09:40.10 | pluesch0r | apparently. great. |
| 09:40.11 | A_I_ | hello |
| 09:40.13 | pluesch0r | sighs |
| 09:40.24 | pluesch0r | jelly, kingsley_: thanks a lot! |
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| 09:40.35 | jelly | pluesch0r: see if mcelog or custom vendor tools show up with something |
| 09:40.42 | pluesch0r | k, i will. thanks again. |
| 09:40.43 | A_I_ | with which arguments are called the packages pre/postinst scripts ? |
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| 09:41.27 | A_I_ | I've a package that uses a $2 in its postinst script and I don't know what it corresponds to |
| 09:41.44 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: You may already know this, but a free live CD named "Ultimate Boot CD" has many hardware diagnostic utilities. |
| 09:41.57 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: yeah, thanks. |
| 09:42.11 | kingsley_ | pluesch0r: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 09:42.22 | pluesch0r | kingsley_: i just need to shift all the vm guests over to other nodes to be able to reboot that box. ;) |
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| 09:44.21 | jmarsden | A_I_: See the Debian Policy Manual, Ch 6 re maintainer scripts, I think Section 6.5 has what you are looking for. |
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| 09:45.34 | A_I_ | thank you jmarsden |
| 09:45.42 | jmarsden | A_I_: You're welcome. |
| 09:45.51 | A_I_ | :) |
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| 09:48.11 | kingsley_ | jelly: What lead you to suggest writing three to /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches? |
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| 09:48.50 | kingsley_ | s/lead/led/ |
| 09:48.53 | jelly | suspicion of memory corruption |
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| 09:50.37 | kingsley_ | jelly: Did you suspect that echoing three would cause a fresh copy to be loaded into pagecache for subsequent reading? |
| 09:50.42 | jelly | kingsley_: no |
| 09:51.12 | kingsley_ | jelly: Please elaborate. |
| 09:51.45 | elli222 | Hi, NFS seems to be broken. The init script for nfs-common fails, and this error message is printed in syslog: unable to register (statd, 1, udp). |
| 09:52.30 | Crypticfortune | elli222: portmapper probably isn't working. see why that might be. |
| 09:52.44 | jelly | kingsley_: I did not _suspect_ that at all, just looked proc(5) the value to _do_ it. |
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| 09:53.40 | jelly | no suspicion as to the effect of the command |
| 09:54.10 | jelly | elli222: is your loopback device and its ip address up? |
| 09:54.27 | jelly | elli222: is portmap running? |
| 09:54.37 | elli222 | portmap appears t obe running |
| 09:54.53 | elli222 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:57.08 | elli222 | loopback appears to be working fine aswell |
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| 09:58.22 | jelly | elli222: alright. Are you trying to do nfs client or nfs server? |
| 09:58.44 | elli222 | client. (don't they both depend on nfs-common?) |
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| 10:00.00 | jelly | elli222: well, if you were going for server (and nfsv2-v3), you'd also need to make portmap listen on more than just 127.0.0.1. For client only, not sure. |
| 10:00.51 | jelly | elli222: that is, you'd remove "-i 127.0.0.1" from the options in /etc/default/portmap and restart it |
| 10:01.31 | jelly | I don't know if it's needed for a client as well |
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| 10:03.20 | elli222 | i removed the -i 127.0.0.1, nothing happened. D: |
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| 10:11.22 | initmax | Hi all, who know HeidiSQL may to install on squueze? |
| 10:11.25 | Crypticfortune | ok, I'm going crazy. dnsmasq fails if I run it while eth0 is part of a bridge (containing only eth0), but succeeds when br0 doesn't exist. I'm so confused.... any ideas? |
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| 10:12.04 | Crypticfortune | (when I say "fail" i mean it runs, but it simply ignores dhcp requests. the packets arrive (so says wireshark), it just ignores them.) |
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| 10:12.18 | pluesch0r | Crypticfortune: does dnsmasq listen on br0? |
| 10:12.30 | ffrank | hi. how would i normally go about configuring a package non-interactively (i.e. scripted)? package in question is tzdata atm |
| 10:12.55 | Crypticfortune | pluesch0r: i've tried every combination of interface= settings. in theory not setting it listens to everything, no luck. interface=br0 also no luck. |
| 10:13.40 | pluesch0r | hm. weird. |
| 10:14.16 | Crypticfortune | dhcp3-server works using br0. this is so bizarre.... |
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| 10:27.01 | krion | can i set my / and /boot on logical disk partition ? |
| 10:27.32 | liable | yes, i dont think grub supports it though. maybe grub2 does |
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| 10:30.24 | krion | liable: ok i got grub2 so it will be ok, i set my /boot as ext4 though |
| 10:30.29 | krion | liable: thank you |
| 10:30.42 | liable | krion: does grub2 actually support it? |
| 10:31.29 | liable | hmm, looks like it does |
| 10:31.29 | Stereo | what's the point of an ext4 /boot ? :) |
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| 10:32.38 | krion | Stereo: in fact not much |
| 10:32.45 | p0g0__ | liable: I've had / & /boot on a logical partition with grub (not grub2)...worked fine. |
| 10:32.49 | krion | Stereo: may be i'll swith to ext2 |
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| 10:33.04 | liable | p0g0__: really? i thought you had to use lilo? |
| 10:33.16 | krion | i want to use xen too so..., may be it's better if i set /boot as ext2 |
| 10:33.57 | p0g0__ | liable: I just wiped that machine yesterday- it had been set up in 2007. Now it's the same partition set up, but grub2. |
| 10:35.14 | krion | go /boot ext2 |
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| 10:35.31 | krion | p0g0__: why do you have that set up ? are you forced to ? |
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| 10:36.08 | krion | i got a brand new laptop with ms windows and i'm not allowed to remove it |
| 10:36.37 | liable | p0g0__: you mean lvm, not just logical dont you? |
| 10:36.46 | p0g0__ | krion: pretty much- it's a thinkpad t42, came with XPPRO, and I used gparted to crush the XP partition, made an extended partition, and loaded debian on that. |
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| 10:37.28 | p0g0__ | liable: no, the classic extended partition with logicals. |
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| 10:37.49 | liable | p0g0__: ah, ok. |
| 10:37.52 | krion | p0g0__: ok, here i got a dell vostro, and it came already whith 3 primary partition |
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| 10:38.21 | krion | so the only way to add linux is to put it on logical partition |
| 10:38.23 | liable | i dont know why i thought he was talking about lvm actually.. |
| 10:38.29 | adyan2003 | who try webmin ? is safe |
| 10:38.38 | liable | !webmin |
| 10:38.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 10:39.01 | krion | liable: i would love to use lvm, it's out of topic but looks like it's not in kubuntu 9.10 installer |
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| 10:39.40 | p0g0__ | liable, krion: I could have made primary partitions instead, but the TP used 1 for XP, 1 for it's recovery set, and that left two- I went for making the remainder of the drive logical, just for flexibility. |
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| 10:39.57 | krion | i'll rather use debian the truely but i don't have the media with all the packages i need |
| 10:40.11 | p0g0__ | krion: use the net installer |
| 10:40.12 | krion | p0g0__: oh ok |
| 10:41.20 | krion | p0g0__: not allowed too, low QoS for http/ftp |
| 10:41.20 | krion | i'll use debian... in my xen domU :) |
| 10:41.33 | p0g0__ | krion: yesterday, I dumped the recovery partition, duped all the /etc, /home & things I wanted to keep to that, wiped the linux partition and loaded the latest sidux. |
| 10:42.09 | p0g0__ | krion: I'd last DU's that box a few months back, & felt like getting a clean install on it. |
| 10:42.16 | p0g0__ | *DU'd |
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| 10:48.43 | bender | hi all |
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| 10:53.52 | ShKoDrAnI | Question: Want to install Debian but i am not sure which version to get? Can some1 give me an idea? |
| 10:54.25 | nevyn | ShKoDrAnI: install stable. |
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| 10:55.00 | ShKoDrAnI | right but which of the stable releases? |
| 10:55.40 | ffrank | ShKoDrAnI: you probably want lenny |
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| 11:03.13 | ffrank | ugh. how to remove spurious values from the debconf db? |
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| 11:15.50 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 11:15.50 | dpkg | <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
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| 11:17.46 | ShKoDrAnI | ffrank, thanks for the abowe on lenny but the question is what architecture? |
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| 11:20.59 | ffrank | ShKoDrAnI: well, that depends on your architecture ;) |
| 11:21.09 | ffrank | seriously though, are you on a PC? |
| 11:21.50 | ShKoDrAnI | yes |
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| 11:22.55 | ffrank | ShKoDrAnI: then pick x86 or amd64 |
| 11:23.54 | Shtl | sepski: i done all the settings with shorewall and restarted too, but still not getting internet in client PC |
| 11:24.06 | ShKoDrAnI | ffrank: thank you. just checking out the Supported Architectures description also |
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| 11:25.33 | Shtl | it syas http://pastebin.com/m62049cd4 when i restart shorewall |
| 11:27.44 | ShKoDrAnI | ffrank: do i need all the 5 DVDs? :S |
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| 11:28.46 | ffrank | ShKoDrAnI: no :) seriously, it all depends on what you need to achieve |
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| 11:29.05 | p0g0__ | Shtl: you need to enable shorewall- read the docs in /usr/share/doc/shorewall |
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| 11:29.33 | ffrank | ShKoDrAnI: i myself prefer the net install |
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| 11:30.36 | ShKoDrAnI | ffrank: Somewhere i can find i guide on how its done, the net install? |
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| 11:31.27 | ffrank | !netinst |
| 11:31.28 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
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| 11:36.37 | ajay | hi , i have downloaded repository using debmirror and http protocol .how to not get sync with debian repository? |
| 11:37.23 | ajay | changing just protocol http to rsync will downloaded updates ? |
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