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| 00:07.04 | running_rabbit07 | themill: After all of the add/removes of accounts on here, I can't scroll high enough to read your post where you told me what to msg dpkg. Could you repost? I sent "sources.list" and nothing happened. |
| 00:07.24 | themill | dpkg: tell running_rabbit07 about sources.list |
| 00:07.54 | themill | apt: fix dpkg |
| 00:07.55 | apt | ACTION opens the hood of dpkg , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 00:08.31 | themill | running_rabbit07: see http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and man 5 sources.list |
| 00:08.45 | running_rabbit07 | thanx |
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| 00:17.23 | AbolishSocialism | Has anyone tried Windows 7 yet? |
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| 00:17.42 | DogBoy | what for |
| 00:17.48 | themill | AbolishSocialism: wrong channel. |
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| 00:18.31 | AbolishSocialism | I switched from ubuntu. The 7 thing is slightly more responsive I think |
| 00:18.39 | running_rabbit07 | Get on Windows 7 and go to ggodbymicrosoft.com? |
| 00:19.03 | themill | AbolishSocialism: do you have a debian user-support question? |
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| 00:19.16 | AbolishSocialism | I do actually |
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| 00:19.33 | AbolishSocialism | Can I install Ubuntu as an RPM? Being it's an upgrade and all |
| 00:19.50 | themill | AbolishSocialism: ask in #ubuntu. None of this is related to debian. |
| 00:20.04 | AimHere | No. You could insteall gentoo though |
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| 00:20.25 | AbolishSocialism | I wanted to, themill, but they banned me after I asked them about Windows 7 |
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| 00:20.51 | tensorpudding | there is a windows channel on freenode, you could ask there |
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| 00:21.19 | running_rabbit07 | lol |
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| 00:22.13 | tarnzwerg | ohoh.. just discovered: the sequence "mount ntfs, s2disk, boot windows (same machine) modify data on ntfs partition, reboot debian can be dangerous... s2disk cam make u see old ntfs directory content. |
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| 00:24.11 | tarnzwerg | mh.. propably one should unmount partitions before modify with "external" tools.. |
| 00:24.20 | running_rabbit07 | themill: would it be best if I used the ftp sources or http? |
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| 00:25.26 | adb | running_rabbit07, use http |
| 00:25.32 | running_rabbit07 | thanx |
| 00:25.37 | adb | np |
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| 00:28.23 | running_rabbit07 | would it be best to go ahead and install squeeze, being it is close to release? |
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| 00:29.48 | simonrvn | themill: might as well leave that as a permaban, that machiavelli dude has always trolled |
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| 00:42.53 | running_rabbit07 | When using Pidgin with Yahoo Chat, is it easily booted by bots and such like when using Windows? |
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| 00:43.35 | doublehp | how do i know which versino of a package aptitude is about to install ? |
| 00:44.15 | AimHere | apt-cache show <package name> will give you a big pile of blurb on the package |
| 00:45.13 | nsadmin | the same thing dpkg -s <pkg> shows |
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| 00:45.58 | Tramp | doublehp: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 00:46.25 | doublehp | it's the kind of blurps i was looking for ;) |
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| 00:46.31 | doublehp | => Lenny is using X 1.4 ... |
| 00:46.32 | p01 | and atitude show <package> |
| 00:46.37 | p01 | apti* |
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| 00:46.45 | doublehp | which means, i am in the s**** |
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| 00:46.52 | simonrvn | nsadmin: one slight difference, dpkg -s show the status |
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| 00:47.44 | puff` | My system crashed. Brought it back up, /var/log/syslog goes from business as usual at 8amish to restarting. Where else should I look for clues? |
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| 00:49.44 | Sanleis | hi |
| 00:50.27 | Sanleis | I have set a chroot sshd envoiroment with makehail. sshd service is up and running but when i try a connection it fails with Connection closed by ::1 |
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| 00:50.30 | Sanleis | any help? |
| 00:50.39 | puff | My system crashed. Brought it back up, /var/log/syslog goes from business as usual at 8amish to restarting. Where else should I look for clues? |
| 00:50.47 | Sanleis | could be any missing library PAM |
| 00:50.49 | Sanleis | ? |
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| 00:51.26 | FIReun | has anyone successfully made a transition from ubuntu->debian? (my case<intrepid> - <squeeze>) |
| 00:51.57 | doublehp | Sanleis: ::1 is localhosty in ipv6; maybe you could check with -4 to force v4 for your test |
| 00:51.59 | puff | FIReun: You mean in terms of converting the install?? |
| 00:52.01 | doublehp | as a first try |
| 00:52.09 | FIReun | puff: yeah, dist-upgrade |
| 00:52.11 | puff | FIReun: I've never tried it, I'd be reluctant to do so. |
| 00:52.25 | FIReun | puff: ditto |
| 00:52.39 | FIReun | puff: but I'm getting a little fed up with ubuntu |
| 00:52.53 | puff | Eh, I run both, I like them both, for different things. |
| 00:53.01 | puff | I'd suggest backing up and doing a fresh install. |
| 00:53.19 | FIReun | puff: it wouldnt be tragic, I already partition <system> from <everything else> |
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| 00:53.33 | FIReun | puff: why do you run both? |
| 00:53.36 | puff | Yeah, even better. |
| 00:53.44 | Sanleis | doublehp, Connection closed by 127.0.0.1. Same error |
| 00:53.47 | FIReun | puff: I have another machine as debian, but thats the only thing I could get to install |
| 00:54.00 | puff | Well, I started with debian on my colo, like it, works great, all the people I respect (and to whom I run when I'm in trouble :-) used debian. |
| 00:54.15 | puff | However, it was a total pain to get installed on a laptop (this was years ago, I'm told it's a lot better now). |
| 00:54.30 | FIReun | puff: and ubuntu on the desktop, at it was what detected and setup my hardware the best, but now I'm stuck in a backwater |
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| 00:54.48 | puff | So I limped along, besides I mainly use my laptop to run firefox, ssh, and occasionally cygwin and emacs. |
| 00:54.51 | abrotman | FIReun: lots of people .. what do you need help with ? |
| 00:54.53 | doublehp | Sanleis: try telnet localhost 22 , to see if it answers; then, try the very verbose options of ssh -vvvv (the more you put, the more you get ) |
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| 00:55.03 | puff | Then about four or so years ago I got a new laptop, decided to take ubuntu out for a spin, it worked pretty nicely, so I stuck with it. |
| 00:55.08 | FIReun | puff: in fact, squeeze may also have moved to a version of xorg that the ati-binary driver doesnt work with either |
| 00:55.17 | abrotman | if you want to talk about ubuntu, please use #ubuntu |
| 00:55.21 | puff | FIReun: Stuck with it for my laptop, that is, I still stick to debian for reliability. |
| 00:55.27 | doublehp | Sanleis: otherwise, i don't know. god luck |
| 00:55.29 | FIReun | abrotman: I'm just testing the waters to see if a dist-upgrade could be more straightforward than a reinstall |
| 00:55.32 | puff | abrotman: I'm not talking about ubuntu, keep up. |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | you are |
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| 00:55.56 | doublehp | puff: and this is #debian ; Ubuntu is OT |
| 00:55.56 | FIReun | abrotman: ease your grip |
| 00:55.56 | Sanleis | doublehp, yes it is listening to... |
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| 00:55.58 | puff | abrotman: Hey, I respect you a lot, but if you're going to criticize me, criticize me for something I'm doing. |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | FIReun: you cannot dist-upgrade from ubuntu to debian |
| 00:56.07 | FIReun | abrotman: we're talking about transitioning from->to debian |
| 00:56.12 | abrotman | you cannot |
| 00:56.16 | abrotman | it's a clean reinstall |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | or at least a debootstrap |
| 00:56.33 | Sanleis | doublehp, just theses "nil" |
| 00:56.36 | FIReun | sighs |
| 00:56.37 | Sanleis | ebug2: key: /home/jesus/.ssh/identity ((nil)) |
| 00:56.37 | Sanleis | debug2: key: /home/jesus/.ssh/id_rsa ((nil)) |
| 00:56.37 | Sanleis | debug2: key: /home/jesus/.ssh/id_dsa ((nil)) |
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| 00:57.12 | doublehp | Sanleis: poaste bin the lot |
| 00:57.25 | Sanleis | doublehp, sorry? |
| 00:57.33 | abrotman | FIReun: or let me put it another way .. if you try to do it, and it breaks, you'll have a hard time getting support because your machine may be half ubuntu/half debian |
| 00:57.42 | doublehp | Sanleis: put the full output in a pastebin |
| 00:57.51 | Sanleis | those line are just before closing the connection |
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| 00:58.18 | abrotman | FIReun: that is what you were intending, correct? |
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| 00:58.55 | geitenneuker | i need some assistance to build a certificate for my 802.1X WLAN, using freeradius, someone feels ready for that? |
| 00:59.13 | FIReun | abrotman: I'm researching to see what might work best |
| 00:59.29 | FIReun | abrotman: and support? I find little true support for anything *nix |
| 00:59.38 | Sanleis | doublehp, http://pastebin.com/m79676ba5 |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | FIReun: the best method is to backup your data, and do a clean install .. if oyu have a separate /home/, you can just not format that partition during the install |
| 00:59.54 | FIReun | abrotman: maybe less advice than normal because people wouldnt know what I had, but I'd get the same level of advice on how to go about figuring out what I had |
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| 01:00.07 | FIReun | abrotman: I'm not a total noob |
| 01:00.23 | FIReun | abrotman: consider me moderate level admin |
| 01:00.24 | geitenneuker | i am cornholio |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:00.58 | FIReun | abrotman: again, I was testing the waters to see if anyone had attempted it lately |
| 01:01.14 | FIReun | if the answer was no, or "Yes and oh it was aweful" then I got my answer |
| 01:01.26 | abrotman | FIReun: i haven't seen anyone try a dist-upgrade between them .. and it's not recommended |
| 01:01.28 | FIReun | geitenneuker: you need tp |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | or not in awhile |
| 01:01.45 | FIReun | understood -- I expected the official line to be "no way" |
| 01:02.00 | abrotman | and the 'common sense' line :) |
| 01:02.07 | doublehp | Sanleis: now, read it full, and rephrase your question without my nick (i am really busy). hope some one else got more time than me |
| 01:02.31 | FIReun | but it would be nice to retain a lot of the common configuration, replacing wifi/video drivers with the equiv version instead of losing them entirely, ect. |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | FIReun: no one is going to stop you from trying it .. but backup first |
| 01:03.33 | Sanleis | anyone woul know why my sshd is closing connection so -> http://pastebin.com/m79676ba5? |
| 01:04.13 | FIReun | abrotman: as I said already, I use partitions -- which keep a majority of the issues fenced |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | Sanleis: what OS is the server? the client ? |
| 01:04.40 | FIReun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.50 | Sanleis | abrotman, both, ubuntu ones |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | Sanleis: i think you want #ubuntu |
| 01:05.00 | Sanleis | jeje |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | no, really |
| 01:05.22 | Sanleis | It is debian, friend |
| 01:05.42 | Sanleis | it is something linked to pam sure |
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| 01:05.54 | Sanleis | it is a sshd enviroment chrooted |
| 01:06.03 | Sanleis | if it can helps |
| 01:06.10 | abrotman | Sanleis: it is not debian, it's ubuntu, go to #ubuntu for support, if they cannot help you try ##linux |
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| 01:06.48 | ksnp | i don't get mail report of the cron job - can anyone tell why please ? |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | FIReun: the biggie for a home user is /home/ IMO .. though i don't know what you're keeping in /opt/ |
| 01:06.55 | jaggz | Can I get my Thunderbird junk categorization shared among computers? |
| 01:06.57 | ksnp | cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly is what i have in the crontab |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | ksnp: are you sure it's running ? |
| 01:07.02 | Mordbrann_p | Sanleis, firewall? |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | didn't do that ... |
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| 01:09.37 | ksnp | abrotman, good question, i am checking it |
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| 01:12.57 | yakamo | whats the best panel for custimizing, at the moment im using tint2 |
| 01:12.59 | yakamo | ? |
| 01:13.11 | leleobhz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/multi-arch/iso-dvd/debian-503-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso <--- this DVD image is install dvd or only sources dvd? |
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| 01:16.38 | FIReun | well on second look, it appears Debian squeeze uses xorg 7.4, which "should" be ok with older fglrx, and yet I see the newer v9.x series fglrx included in squeeze -- this does not compute to me -- anyone here use an ATI Xpress 200 with debian squeeze (& NOT use the radeon driver) |
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| 01:17.01 | nan8 | leleobhz: isoinfo suggests it is bootable |
| 01:17.14 | leleobhz | nan8: nice. thanks |
| 01:17.49 | nan8 | leleobhz: but maybe it just starts a ebook reader to read the source ;-) |
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| 01:18.06 | leleobhz | :p |
| 01:18.39 | leleobhz | nan8: best ask before download. a dvd image isnt little |
| 01:19.29 | nan8 | leleobhz: i only downloaded the first few bytes and used isoinfo on them |
| 01:20.26 | leleobhz | works this way? |
| 01:20.30 | leleobhz | new lesson |
| 01:20.37 | leleobhz | i dont know its possible to do |
| 01:21.12 | nan8 | leleobhz: i just guessed |
| 01:21.24 | nan8 | leleobhz: and it worked |
| 01:21.44 | leleobhz | :D |
| 01:22.04 | geitenneuker | you will give me TP |
| 01:22.38 | geitenneuker | someone has ever tried the ICC compiler for debian? |
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| 01:25.12 | FIReun | there needs to be a distro just for ati Xpress users, jeez. |
| 01:25.17 | FIReun | swears and wanders off |
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| 01:34.36 | abrotman | leleobhz: that's a sources DVD, not binary |
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| 01:40.24 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 01:42.17 | CHC | probably from too many people joniing so quickly |
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| 01:47.07 | Kaigeos | can anyone help me here with a solution for my server? once I was all set up, I found my server wasn |
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| 01:47.15 | Kaigeos | wasn't senting email |
| 01:47.41 | Kaigeos | so I've been trying to configure an smtp server with googles apps. |
| 01:47.57 | Kaigeos | I've tried using exim4, ssmtp and msmtp |
| 01:48.07 | Kaigeos | I still don't seem to be getting mail out. |
| 01:48.41 | Kaigeos | and when I try running exim or exim for from command line, (when it was installed) I'd get a message that the command is not found. |
| 01:49.15 | Kaigeos | I need something that includes fake sendmail |
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| 01:52.59 | ddalton | hi, just wondering if anyone can give me a hand with lxde. I need to set some environment variables. |
| 01:53.16 | ddalton | how can i set an environment variable on start up so the whole desktop can access its value? |
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| 01:53.54 | BlackFate | hello.! why i get rose0-9 and nr0-9 interfaces to my ifconfig? |
| 01:54.07 | BlackFate | how were these created? |
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| 02:05.22 | brokensys | hi all, what is the current backports repos for Lenny? |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | brokensys: backports.org |
| 02:06.24 | brokensys | abrotman: hi dude, thanks |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | hi dude! |
| 02:07.32 | brokensys | haha, how's things? |
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| 02:11.28 | lotus-blade | how do you do a permanent file type association like .docx to OO.or writer? |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | in what? |
| 02:12.13 | doublehp | abrotman: system wide assocs can be done in/etc |
| 02:12.34 | doublehp | lotus-blade: i did it once, sorry, i forgot how.? The stuff has o do with some gnome stuff |
| 02:12.48 | doublehp | and has effets on all installed WM and filers |
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| 02:13.13 | unkmar | sounds windows registry like. |
| 02:13.50 | doublehp | lotus-blade: sth like gnome-mime or xorg-mime-types |
| 02:14.17 | doublehp | !tell me about asl |
| 02:14.20 | doublehp | !tell me about ask |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | doublehp: you're telling the wrong person |
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| 02:15.28 | HazardX | if I wanted to spawn a second copy of sshd how would I do it? (needs to be running on a seperate non-default port) |
| 02:15.53 | unkmar | HazardX: you don't have to |
| 02:16.02 | HazardX | I don't? |
| 02:16.04 | unkmar | just add another port to the config file and restart it. |
| 02:16.13 | HazardX | really? |
| 02:16.20 | unkmar | I did it yet again just today. |
| 02:16.29 | HazardX | hmmm, when I tried that before it wasn't-so-happy |
| 02:16.42 | unkmar | Had ubuntu and just switched to debian on this laptop. |
| 02:17.00 | unkmar | Simply copy the Port 22 line and change it to another port. |
| 02:17.12 | unkmar | Then it will listen to both ports. |
| 02:17.25 | HazardX | so instead of "port 22" I'd have (for example) port 22 <port umpty-billion>? |
| 02:17.49 | lotus-blade | !tell lotus-blade about sth |
| 02:18.32 | lotus-blade | !tell lotus-blade about gnome-mime |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | !tell lotus-blade about selftell |
| 02:18.47 | adb | !tell lotus-blade about selftell |
| 02:18.49 | HazardX | lol |
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| 02:19.15 | HazardX | unkmar, what if I need to change listenaddress? |
| 02:19.27 | HazardX | wait, it should be listening on all available addresses right? |
| 02:19.58 | unkmar | address? that would be an IP address so you would have to create an secondary network interface. |
| 02:20.30 | unkmar | I'm sure you can restrict it to a certain IP, I just don't know how to. |
| 02:20.50 | unkmar | by default, I believe it listens on all. interfaces. |
| 02:21.48 | HazardX | good enough |
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| 02:26.31 | Evet | what i need to restrict remote IPs? |
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| 02:27.15 | unkmar | iptables ? |
| 02:27.25 | unkmar | !iptables |
| 02:27.26 | dpkg | The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 02:27.50 | unkmar | woot, I'm getting better in here. :) |
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| 02:31.49 | Evet | unkmar, just installed iptables, i cant find /etc/init.d/iptables |
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| 02:32.46 | Evet | and iptable --list 's output: |
| 02:32.46 | Evet | iptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root) |
| 02:32.46 | Evet | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 02:33.21 | unkmar | Evet: I can't help you with iptables. Not something I have ever done. I barely even knew that was the right thing to use. |
| 02:34.24 | bentlux | Evet, are you root ? |
| 02:34.37 | Evet | bentlux, ofcourse |
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| 02:38.57 | bentlux | Evet, do you have 'iptable_filter' 'ip_tables' and 'x_tables' when lsmod ? |
| 02:39.50 | Evet | beardy, none |
| 02:40.53 | Evet | and my kernel is 2.6.26-2 |
| 02:41.11 | bentlux | try rebooting just in case ,later try to insmod manually |
| 02:42.05 | bentlux | I'm using testing here with 2.6.30-2-686 and another stable with 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 02:42.12 | bentlux | both iptables working |
| 02:42.43 | Evet | bentlux, which command youre using to check if its working? |
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| 02:44.01 | darkfuneral | i have two pdf files which have the same landscape oriented slides, and am printing four per page with the following command: lp -d Brother -o landscape -o media=letter -o number-up-layout=lrbt -o number-up=4 -o duplex=duplexnotumble -o sides=two-sided-long-edge "$@" . but one document always produces portrait printed slides, why is that? |
| 02:44.15 | bentlux | Evet, on the remote server (2.6.26) a hour ago just did iptables -A INPUT -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -j DROP because an asshole was trying to bruteforce our recently installed sshd xD |
| 02:44.52 | bentlux | then installed denyhost , but that's another history |
| 02:45.01 | Evet | bentlux, :) |
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| 02:46.11 | Evet | bentlux, i can run iptables now. thanks |
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| 02:48.02 | Evet | are iptables and netfilter different things? |
| 02:48.57 | Kvant | iptables is the program you configure netfilter with |
| 02:50.37 | bentlux | Evet, np ;) |
| 02:51.26 | Evet | is the iptables what i need to set a box as a backend server? |
| 02:51.34 | abrotman | there is a #netfilter |
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| 03:03.08 | Pupuser402402 | Hello All, greetings... |
| 03:03.26 | Evet | hi |
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| 03:05.27 | Pupuser402402 | Hey, anybody here ever used Lenny with Gluster? Gluster channel is dead, running it on lenny anyway, so maybe this is where I need to be? |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | but you're using Puppy? |
| 03:06.25 | Pupuser402402 | Wondering about Lenny/Gluster/and the limits of ext3... |
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| 03:06.49 | Pupuser402402 | Yeah, Linux head, what can I say :) |
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| 03:07.50 | Pupuser402402 | Trying alot of distros |
| 03:08.42 | Pupuser402402 | Decided on Lenny for our servers... |
| 03:09.17 | DogBoy | that's how I roll too |
| 03:10.13 | Pupuser402402 | As long as its not winblows, I'm good... |
| 03:14.48 | Pupuser402402 | Anybody running clusters with redundant, mass storage on lenny? What are you using? |
| 03:15.16 | Pupuser402402 | Leaning towards Gluster here |
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| 03:17.00 | aalex_ | hi |
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| 03:17.24 | aalex_ | What steps should I do to downgrade from the current testing to stable ? |
| 03:17.32 | aalex_ | Anyon ehas a link? |
| 03:18.45 | jmarsden | !downgrade |
| 03:18.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 03:19.09 | Qew | aalex_: It's not impossible, but it'll be very hard work. It'll just be faster to reinstall if you're dead set in reverting back to Stable. |
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| 03:19.32 | pinkisntwell | i removed a key from the lock modifier group in xmodmap and added some other key to that modifier group but now it acts as a shift and not as a caps-lock key. why? |
| 03:19.38 | pinkisntwell | i removed a key from the lock modifier group in xmodmap and added some other key to that modifier group but now it acts as a shift and not as a caps-lock key. why? |
| 03:20.11 | aalex_ | Qew: there are a lot of broken packages in testing. :( |
| 03:20.52 | aalex_ | Qew: I wanted to install testing mostly to package my own packages for Debian. I guess I could as well do my packages under Stable, right? |
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| 03:23.54 | jmarsden | aalex_: Right. You can run stable but build and test your packaging work in a sid chroot (use pbuilder or similar), or test in a virtual machine. Or both. |
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| 03:25.50 | drake1 | do you have any ideas why tcpdump would like to show itself through all network connections? |
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| 03:26.00 | Pupuser402402 | Anybody here mounted a remote filesystem larger than 16TB (planning to do it with Gluster)? Any way to do it without using something other than ext3? |
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| 03:28.41 | Qew | aalex_: I remember someone going into detail on how to go from Testing to Stable at forums.debian.net but that was from Lenny to Etch. There's this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18076&hilit=downgrading+from+testing+to+stable . Although I have built deb packages, they've been for myself only... not for distribution. You can do it with a Lenny machine, but I wouldn't be able to show you how. |
| 03:28.42 | jmarsden | Pupuser402402: I think you could get up to 32TB on ext3 if you are willing to use an 8KB block size... so if you *have* to use ext3, you could look into doing that. |
| 03:29.31 | drake1 | *action* steps back |
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| 03:29.43 | Qew | aalex_: still, I do think it's wiser to just do a fresh install of Lenny. |
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| 03:30.12 | Qew | sorry for the long message ;) |
| 03:31.59 | drake1 | and me who thought tcpdump could be used to debug someting purposeful |
| 03:32.04 | jmarsden | Qew and aalex_ : I agree, there is no clearly supported and documented way to downgrade from Squeeze to Lenny as far as I know. I'd back up /home and /etc and anything else I care about, verify the backup(s), and then do a fresh install. |
| 03:32.15 | Pupuser402402 | jmarsden, trying to decide what would be best...going to install gluster client and mount the >16TB filesystem. Need alot of room for expansion... |
| 03:32.25 | jmarsden | drake1: What exactly are you trying to do with it, and what is it doing that is causing you difficulties? |
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| 03:32.53 | drake1 | jmarsd: im would have made a log of the flush pattern |
| 03:34.16 | jmarsden | Pupuser402402: For serious "future expansion", pick a filesystem with the abilities you are looking for. |
| 03:34.23 | drake1 | but since tcpdump would like to show itself through window change or something wicket I can't really use it |
| 03:34.40 | drake1 | wicked sry |
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| 03:35.21 | jmarsden | drake1: "show itself" ? How? You are saying that if I capture a TCP session using tcpdump it alters the session itself, revealing that tcpdump was present?? |
| 03:35.52 | drake1 | jmarsden: by changing the window I think |
| 03:35.52 | jmarsden | I've used tcpdump for years and not noticed it doing that... |
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| 03:36.01 | Pupuser402402 | jmarsden, the way I understand it, no matter what remote filesystem I try to mount, the limits of ext3 are going to restrict if using on the machine I'm mounting on, correct? |
| 03:36.23 | Pupuser402402 | So maybe ext4 a better bet? How is it for stability? |
| 03:36.51 | drake1 | jmarsden: i wrote a network flush tester in shell and as soon as I start the tcpdump to make a log, the entire network behaviour changes instantly |
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| 03:37.26 | jmarsden | Pupuser402402: at those kind of fs sizes I have no experience at all with ext4 at all, I'm afraid. |
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| 03:38.21 | jmarsden | drake1: tcpdump running in a different shell, right? Have you tried using any other network sniffers instead? Wireshark? dsniff? |
| 03:38.33 | drake1 | completely different shell |
| 03:39.03 | drake1 | I have used some hardware sniffers at the same time |
| 03:39.49 | drake1 | that's how I found out |
| 03:39.57 | jmarsden | drake1: Seems bizarre. You could search bugs.debian.org for similar issues, I suppose. |
| 03:40.28 | drake1 | it's fine enough for normal bugs though |
| 03:40.45 | drake1 | just not for flow patterns |
| 03:42.54 | Pupuser402402 | jmarsden, thanks for the info....yeah, 16TB is quite a lot...he he |
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| 03:43.43 | jmarsden | drake1: But it's not supposed to influence the network at all, it just reads stuff; obviously with a slow PC and a fast network in theory that takes system resources and could slow down the machine enough to change timing behaviour... but other that that isn't supposed to be transparent. |
| 03:44.11 | jmarsden | *other than that, it's supposed to be transparent. |
| 03:44.22 | drake1 | I don't know exactly what it does but it isn't nice |
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| 03:45.00 | jmarsden | drake1: File a bug, attach network trace files and how to reproduce it, and someone with more detailed network knowledge than me will handle it :) |
| 03:46.03 | drake1 | just found it on a debian system and I don't think they garantie transparency |
| 03:47.13 | drake1 | of course you're welcome to have the honour he |
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| 03:47.43 | jmarsden | drake1: You're the one with the shell script and the packet logs, not me :) |
| 03:47.43 | drake1 | im off. see you |
| 03:47.48 | jmarsden | OK. |
| 03:47.51 | drake1 | it's easy to make |
| 03:47.54 | drake1 | see you |
| 03:48.30 | aalex_ | jmarsden: if my only interest is to make new packages, should I stick to testing? |
| 03:48.48 | aalex_ | jmarsden: though, there are some packages that I can't install right now on my testing. |
| 03:49.18 | jmarsden | aalex_: It really doesn't matter; new packages need to be built and tested under sid anyway, so whether you run Lenny or Squeeze for your host OS is not really that big a deal in that regard. |
| 03:49.33 | jmarsden | You'll need to set up a sid test environment (chroot or VM or both) either way. |
| 03:50.39 | aalex_ | jmarsden: oh, I can run stable on my computer, and sid in a VM? |
| 03:50.46 | jmarsden | Absolutely. |
| 03:51.03 | aalex_ | jmarsden: I guess I could just use Ubuntu as a distro, with a sid in a VM |
| 03:51.26 | jmarsden | Yes. That's actually what I do here at the moment :) |
| 03:51.32 | tensorpudding | you could run debian as a distro, with ubuntu as a vm |
| 03:51.36 | tensorpudding | the permutations are endless |
| 03:51.39 | aalex_ | jmarsden: what virtual machine package should I use for that? |
| 03:51.41 | aalex_ | nice |
| 03:51.55 | tensorpudding | virtualbox is one |
| 03:52.09 | jmarsden | aalex_: One you know and love. I use virtualbox-ose but there are other possibilities that work fine too. |
| 03:52.17 | tensorpudding | i use qemu |
| 03:52.20 | aalex_ | qemu? yeah |
| 03:52.28 | aalex_ | a free one would be preferable... |
| 03:52.32 | tensorpudding | virtualbox has parts based on qemu |
| 03:52.40 | tensorpudding | but generally more functionality |
| 03:52.42 | jmarsden | virtualbox-ose and kvm are both free software |
| 03:52.52 | tensorpudding | kvm is the kernel virtualization module |
| 03:53.07 | tensorpudding | it requires hardware virtualization extensions for your CPU doesn't it? |
| 03:53.37 | Parabola | use virtualbox |
| 03:54.00 | tensorpudding | if you love hypervisors you can do xen |
| 03:54.00 | jmarsden | KVM does, I think. Intel Q9550 quad core here, so it's fine for me. Newcomers to virtualization are probably best off using virtualbox-ose |
| 03:54.35 | jmarsden | It works well, is easy to set up, and it's free. |
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| 03:54.51 | aalex_ | ok, |
| 03:55.09 | aalex_ | I will try virtualbox-ose |
| 03:55.39 | aalex_ | From there, if I want a debian unstable, should I boot on the iso and install it? |
| 03:55.52 | jmarsden | In case you can make sense of them without the talk itself, some slides I did for a talk on Virtualbox are online at http://crosswire.org/~jmarsden/talks/virtualbox |
| 03:55.53 | aalex_ | installed |
| 03:56.54 | jmarsden | aalex_: You would run the GUI management tool, create a VM for sid, start it, and use the first run wizard to pick a Sid ISO and boot/install the VM from that, yes. |
| 03:57.05 | jmarsden | See my slides :) |
| 03:57.41 | aalex_ | I didn't find the sid ISO last time I checked, and that's why I ended up installing testing. Where do I get the ISO from ? |
| 03:57.49 | aalex_ | jmarsden: yeah, reading it. Nice talk. |
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| 04:01.24 | jmarsden | Thanks :) I'm not sure where you'd find a sid ISO, I tend to network install... aha. According to the sid FAQ: "How do I install sid? |
| 04:01.24 | jmarsden | The canonical answer is: You don't. You can only upgrade to it from stable or testing. You do that by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing your sources from stable to unstable." |
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| 04:20.35 | liable_ | !qotd0 |
| 04:20.35 | dpkg | <Erik_J> good day! i hear this might be a good place to get some technical advice when one is debian eliterate :) |
| 04:20.48 | liable_ | hehe |
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| 04:23.39 | Kyran | hey |
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| 04:28.37 | artery | what happens if one adds, updates, then upgrades with a testing repo in an otherwise vanilla source.list in lenny? |
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| 04:30.33 | Evet | how to ask dpkg to tell me apt-get/aptitude difference? |
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| 04:32.31 | abrotman | !tell Evet about why aptitude |
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| 04:36.01 | artery | does the installation become 'testing' at that point? |
| 04:36.09 | abrotman | which installation ? |
| 04:36.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:36.22 | abrotman | artery: you shouldn't mix versions of debian |
| 04:36.47 | artery | abrotman: thanks, but that's not the question =] |
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| 04:37.03 | abrotman | it depends what you've done .. you may be running testing now |
| 04:37.23 | artery | i haven't done anything, i'm still running lenny |
| 04:37.34 | abrotman | why are you trying to install packages from testing ? |
| 04:37.54 | artery | because i like to break things |
| 04:38.22 | abrotman | then why ask what will happen .. enjoy the broken bits |
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| 04:38.53 | Kyran | I'm trying to mount the home directory from a Windows 2003 share. mount -t smbfs //windowsserver/sharename/$USER 'Desktop/Home Folder' is the template, though my user directories end with $, njack$, ffiller$, etc. Is there a way to add the $ at the end of $USER? |
| 04:39.31 | artery | so will the system be upgraded to 'testing'? |
| 04:39.52 | artery | i can't find the information on google or debian.org, otherwise i wouldn't be asking |
| 04:41.05 | artery | i'm sorry if i've offended you somehow |
| 04:41.33 | abrotman | you should be using 'squeeze' not 'testing' .. and i already told you that mixing versions of debian will likely lead to serious breakage |
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| 04:41.54 | jmarsden | !tell artery about lenny->squeeze |
| 04:42.07 | abrotman | !tell artery about moving target |
| 04:42.31 | Bastihase | !tell im a hacker |
| 04:42.51 | Bastihase | ^^ |
| 04:42.53 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
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| 04:42.57 | tuvyz | what is a good traffic shaping tool? aka QoS |
| 04:43.05 | tuvyz | i am trying to implement a pfsense-like system using debian |
| 04:43.10 | simonrvn | tc |
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| 04:43.41 | tuvyz | simonrvn: are there any somewhat user-friendly frontends for it? e.g. something like shorewall for iptables |
| 04:44.10 | simonrvn | i haven't bothered looking for one |
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| 04:45.13 | simonrvn | tha came out weird, but i think you got me =) |
| 04:45.21 | simonrvn | that* |
| 04:45.27 | dzup_ | hello, how i erase mbr sector with fdisk? |
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| 04:54.02 | simonrvn | dzup_: /msg dpkg backup mbr tells you how to back it up - similar procedure will wipe it for you. i don't know how wise that is, but your machine. |
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| 05:00.01 | Hatter_ | how do i make sure a file written into a directory has a particular user ? |
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| 05:03.59 | LtL | Hatter_: ls -l /path/file from a terminal and read it, or theres GUI [nautilus] |
| 05:04.53 | aalex_ | Hadaka: ls -l ? |
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| 05:13.56 | dzup_ | i have problems installing linux in my hard, the hard drive used windows and cant write to disk, you know how i fix this? |
| 05:14.33 | aalex_ | dzup_: format the disk? |
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| 05:25.36 | dzup_ | aalex_: dnt let me do anything heh |
| 05:25.53 | dzup_ | i check bios for antivirus deal and that flag is off |
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| 05:31.07 | jpinx-eeepc | where do I need to ask about PCmanFM not working - lxde on lenny on an eeepc |
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| 05:35.35 | Baloo | Has anybody located a ufdbguard package? |
| 05:35.47 | Baloo | I can't seem to compile it myself and I'm sick of pounding my head on this. |
| 05:36.20 | aalex_ | dzup_: get a new drive? |
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| 05:39.36 | Baloo | Failing that, a good howto on migrating from squidguard to dansguardian? |
| 05:39.47 | jpinx-eeepc | dzup_: are you running an installer? It will tell you what to do at the partitioning stage |
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| 05:53.09 | aalex_ | dzup_: yeah, the partition tool (parted) should work... |
| 05:54.31 | jmarsden | Baloo: I just downloaded the source tarball for ufdbguard , untarred it, ./configure && make # seems to compile fine for me... what specific compilation issue are you seeing on what version of Debian? |
| 05:54.44 | dzup_ | hmm look like this version of debian fdisk had problems with my hda, i try a differents iso (centos) and is doing the boot loader deal |
| 05:54.59 | dzup_ | after i done that i will try instal debian again |
| 05:55.03 | Baloo | jmarsden, did you get binaries resulting? |
| 05:55.05 | craigevil | jpinx-eeepc: try posting in the lxde forum or mailing list, might also check the BTS |
| 05:57.02 | Baloo | jmarsden, this is my output http://debian.pastebin.com/d2be5d672 |
| 05:57.40 | jmarsden | Baloo: I got ELF execuables: ./src/ufdbGenTable ./src/ufdbAnalyse ./src/ufdbhttpd ./src/mtserver/ufdbgclient ./src/mtserver/ufdbguardd |
| 05:58.37 | Baloo | jmarsden, I couldn't convince you to build a .deb, could I? ;o) |
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| 05:59.27 | jmarsden | Baloo: Right now, no. I *do* do a little packaging, but... it's 10pm here and I have no way to test the results without learning and configuring squidguard etc... |
| 05:59.53 | jmarsden | Baloo: Your machine is probably just missing a couple of -dev packages with the relevant .h files in them, let me find out which ones if I can... |
| 06:00.17 | Baloo | jmarsden, Thanks. I'd also take a tarball of what you got, since this one's been driving me nuts for six hours now |
| 06:01.01 | jmarsden | I'm runnning 64bit here... my executables wouldn't do you any good on a 32bit machine ... |
| 06:01.29 | jmarsden | Plus you should't trust random strangers like me to send you binaries and run them... I could root your box! |
| 06:03.09 | paradoxmonkey | What could be the reason that FTP speed drops after a while? Currently Samba is actually faster then FTP for me. |
| 06:03.18 | jmarsden | Baloo: Do you have the package libc6-dev installed? if not, install it and try again. |
| 06:04.02 | Baloo | 2.10.2-5 is installed |
| 06:04.36 | jmarsden | Baloo: Hmmm. OK... checking further... |
| 06:08.25 | jmarsden | Baloo: It might be flex or bison, try installing both of those |
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| 06:10.32 | Baloo | Hmm, this looks promising |
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| 06:13.28 | neoice | anyone happen to know why an underscore at the start of a file name doesnt effect the sorting of that file? I assume its probably some POSIX spec thing |
| 06:14.21 | neoice | actually . doesnt effect it either |
| 06:15.09 | jmarsden | neoice: Default sort order is dictionary-based, so non-alpha chars are not supposed to affect it. LANG=C ls -1 # will sort the way you seem to want. |
| 06:16.38 | neoice | chaging the language of the system will probably effect a bunch of other stuff too right |
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| 06:16.43 | prince_jammys | LC_COLLATE=C |
| 06:17.35 | jmarsden | neoice: Yes. So just change it for the one line of your script where you need the old fashioned non-locale-based sort, or whatever. |
| 06:18.13 | neoice | jmarsden: well, I just have a tendancy to organize things with _, so I'd want it to effect my general ls output |
| 06:18.38 | jmarsden | neoice: OK. alias ls='LC_COLLATE=C ls' |
| 06:18.40 | neoice | but it looks like LC_COLLATE does a similar thing, I'm reading about it now |
| 06:19.18 | neoice | actually, aliasing it is clever, esp since I have the ls alias already :P |
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| 06:20.47 | jmarsden | neoice: BTW, you may want to consider using subdirectories to "organize things" instead of weird naming conventions ... ? |
| 06:21.02 | neoice | this is on top of subdirectories |
| 06:23.22 | neoice | besides, I think this makes 'ls -a' look cleaner too |
| 06:23.24 | jmarsden | OK... if I needed *that* much structure for a pile of data, I'd probably be using a database or an indexing tool not inventing naming conventions that start with underscores :) |
| 06:24.52 | jmarsden | Baloo: So, did it compile OK? |
| 06:25.32 | Baloo | jmarsden, It did, lemme test it out |
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| 06:25.42 | jmarsden | Baloo: Cool :) |
| 06:26.46 | Baloo | jmarsden, things look right but I think I got the configuration wrong...that's a whole different ball of wax but at least things look good so far |
| 06:27.52 | jmarsden | Baloo: Right... C compilation issues I can help with; how to configure some random piece of software that isn't packaged in Debian... that part is up to you to figure out :) |
| 06:28.19 | Baloo | 10-4 |
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| 06:35.55 | MariachiAC | Hello, I've upgraded from debian testing to unstable. Now my system does not boot. I', a blind user and have access to a cd with a version of linux that does speak, but I need to know what logs to look at to trouble shoot. Can someone help? |
| 06:40.02 | simonrvn | unstable isn't an upgrade |
| 06:41.58 | MariachiAC | simonrvn: Ok so if i were to use debian... I just upgrade to the testign branche.. squeeze or which to upgrade so I can get the latest packages? |
| 06:42.31 | jmarsden | MariachiAC: Debian sid (unstable) is for people who expect it to break and can deal with that; it's not intended for general use. Do you have another machine (with speech output) which you could connect to the unstable/non-booting one to debug it with? |
| 06:42.32 | simonrvn | why do you want the latest packages? |
| 06:42.47 | simonrvn | what he said |
| 06:43.42 | MariachiAC | janhouse: yes I do, but from what I can tell the system does not boot. It jsut hangs. I can boot it in single mode, but that does not work all the time. |
| 06:44.20 | MariachiAC | simonrvn: I like having the latest software at my fingertips |
| 06:44.52 | jmarsden | MariachiAC: You may be able to connect to the serial port of the non-booting PC, and boot it with a serial console, then have the working machine "read" the stuff coming across that serial port... to determine exactly how far it gets when it does not boot... is that kind of debugging practical for you? |
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| 06:45.49 | MariachiAC | janhouse: I can't look at nay logs? I looked at kern.log and it says the kernel stopt using proc something to that extent if I remember correctly. |
| 06:45.55 | p01 | boot from livecd, see what happened, try to fix, try to reboot. |
| 06:46.10 | tuvyz | how popular and how effective is tcng (traffic control - next generation)? |
| 06:46.13 | MariachiAC | janhouse: Hmmmm... I've never done such a thing before. |
| 06:46.45 | MariachiAC | p01: No, the live cd does not have orca on it or speakup. I can only boot with grml. |
| 06:46.55 | jmarsden | p01: livecd may have no support for speech synthesis, so "seeing" what happened would not be feasible for a blind user. |
| 06:47.01 | simonrvn | novices shouldn't use unstable, that's why i asked |
| 06:47.08 | p01 | ow. |
| 06:47.22 | MariachiAC | simonrvn: Okso I guess I'll use squeeze then |
| 06:48.14 | simonrvn | MariachiAC: testing on average is about 10 days "behind" sid, plus you get some triaging (hopefully us sid users are doing their jobs ;) |
| 06:48.17 | jmarsden | MariachiAC: If your PC is new enough you could consider using Lenny, and running anything newer than that in a virtual machine within it, so if it breaks you still have a working host OS... |
| 06:48.32 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 06:48.58 | MariachiAC | simonrvn: jmarsden Ok... I'll use squeeze then. |
| 06:49.17 | MariachiAC | thank you. |
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| 06:49.24 | jmarsden | MariachiAC: Even squeeze is not at all guaranteed to be stable... it is for people who want to test it. You're welcome. |
| 06:49.49 | simonrvn | nothing is guaranteed ;) |
| 06:50.00 | MariachiAC | understandable |
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| 06:58.48 | jpinx-eeepc | is it possible to uninstall udev from a working system, delete the /etc/udev and re-install ? I'm trying to make it work ;) |
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| 06:59.27 | jpinx-eeepc | but I don't want to break the system... |
| 07:00.37 | jmarsden | jpinx-eeepc: "from a working system" -- if you already have a working system, don't mess with it :) |
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| 07:03.36 | Baloo | jmarsden, Heeeey, it works |
| 07:03.47 | jmarsden | Baloo: Good :) |
| 07:04.08 | jmarsden | And you didn't need me to tar up my compiled binaries :) :) |
| 07:04.12 | Baloo | nope |
| 07:07.52 | Baloo | jmarsden, Wow, that's SUBSTANTIALLY faster than squidguard |
| 07:07.55 | Baloo | using the same rules |
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| 07:08.41 | jmarsden | That's what they claim in their docs... |
| 07:09.03 | DarkHack | thinks Debian should add a fluxbox install option to the install disk :) |
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| 07:10.49 | jpinx-eeepc | jmarsden: it's working - yea- but it's not auto-mounting devices attached |
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| 07:12.19 | Baloo | jmarsden, Initial testing has it around 6 times faster, which is better than what they're claiming. |
| 07:12.23 | Baloo | By a factor of 2 |
| 07:12.26 | jmarsden | jpinx-eeepc: The "I don't want to break a working system" makes me nervous... I don't know if you can uninstall udev and have the device nodes it has already created "stay there" while you then reinstall it... sounds like that's asking a lot. |
| 07:12.34 | Baloo | How's that for a huge win? |
| 07:14.18 | jmarsden | Sounds worthwhile on a heavily loaded gateway. |
| 07:15.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jmarsden: yea - I am concerned too -- hence my question here ;) |
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| 07:16.53 | jpinx-eeepc | jmarsden: I did aptitude reinstall hal and udev and it didn't break anything, but I really want to delete the configs |
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| 07:18.26 | jmarsden | jpinx-eeepc: I've never tried it, and I'm not entirely sure testing it in a VM would be a sufficient test compared to real hardware, even if I wanted to test it in a VM for you... so... I'll advise you not to do it unless you first make a full image backup of the machine you know you can restore later if you break things! |
| 07:18.40 | craigevil | jpinx-eeepc: might take a look at http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LXDE#Auto_Mount |
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| 07:22.13 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: nice find :) thanks... |
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| 07:26.26 | craigevil | jpinx-eeepc: there is no "hal" group at least not on my system but there is haldaemon |
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| 07:29.56 | paradoxmonkey | Usually FTP should be faster then Samba, right? |
| 07:30.04 | linuxpoet | yes |
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| 07:33.01 | paradoxmonkey | Then could someone help me figure out why for me FTP is slower then Samba. FTP transfers start with good speed to then drop. I'm on a gigabit network. |
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| 07:36.49 | katyl | What would be the right way to configure /etc/hosts.allow and deny to allow all connections except those in hosts.deny? |
| 07:40.28 | linuxpoet | all connections for what |
| 07:40.33 | linuxpoet | I would suggest iptables |
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| 07:41.34 | jmarsden | katyl: man hosts.allow and read the ACCESS CONTROL bit. Basically leave hosts.allow empty and put deny rules in hosts.deny, anything not matching in either file will be allowed. |
| 07:42.01 | jmarsden | linuxpoet: man hosts.allow to understand what hosts.allow does before answering questions about it :) |
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| 07:42.35 | katyl | After digging, I found the answer, denyhosts managed to put me in /etc/hosts.deny... I had it right, just didn't find myself in the long list of Ip's... thanks |
| 07:42.39 | linuxpoet | I know what hosts.allow/deny does |
| 07:42.44 | linuxpoet | I tend to avoid using it as a whole |
| 07:42.46 | lotus-blade | anyone good with samba? |
| 07:43.18 | lotus-blade | my network explorer will not let me read network shares |
| 07:43.39 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: What kind of error do you get? |
| 07:44.10 | lotus-blade | it is asking for user name and password when there is noe and it has never done this before |
| 07:44.39 | lotus-blade | I have always just clicked and was in |
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| 07:45.11 | lotus-blade | but need to fix this before I fix the printer isue |
| 07:45.12 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: Have you perhaps changed your current username or password? |
| 07:45.22 | lotus-blade | nope |
| 07:45.50 | lotus-blade | always used gnome places and just gone right in |
| 07:46.37 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: Can you pastbin your smb.conf? |
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| 07:51.54 | lotus-blade | http://pastebin.com/d18a86676 |
| 07:52.13 | lotus-blade | this is the original file. I have not done anything to it |
| 07:52.53 | KDE4000 | Why do I always have to reboot to get new networking settings applied? |
| 07:54.10 | KDE4000 | /etc/init.d/networking restart just takes the network cards offline, not that helpful |
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| 07:54.55 | uwjesd | How can I rename a bulk of files from filename.txt to filename.txt2 |
| 07:55.03 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: Before what share were you able to access? |
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| 07:56.34 | lotus-blade | any computer on the windows network. I never tried from windows to linux |
| 07:57.54 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: So it's the windows boxes you can't access? |
| 07:58.14 | lotus-blade | right |
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| 07:59.17 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: What OS do your windows machines have? |
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| 08:00.45 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 08:01.12 | DukeDrake | how can I create a user without password, i.e. who can't log in? |
| 08:01.52 | paradoxmonkey | DukeDrake: redirect them to a shell that doesn't exist |
| 08:02.02 | iceroot | DukeDrake: /bin/false |
| 08:02.08 | DukeDrake | yes,I'm doing that anyway |
| 08:02.31 | jmarsden | DukeDrake: man passwd suggests usermod --expiredate 1 |
| 08:02.32 | DukeDrake | but I'd also like to have the "can't log in because no password is set"-thing ? |
| 08:02.43 | DukeDrake | hm |
| 08:03.19 | jmarsden | DukeDrake: You can do passwd -l but that doesn't fully prevent login... read the man page... there is a lot you can do... |
| 08:03.21 | iceroot | DukeDrake: if you are using a real shell, root can use that user with su username so he can be used |
| 08:03.48 | DukeDrake | I see |
| 08:03.53 | DukeDrake | ok then |
| 08:04.03 | iceroot | DukeDrake: just use /bin/false as login-shell |
| 08:04.18 | DukeDrake | yes |
| 08:04.36 | DukeDrake | but passwd -l was what I was actually looking for ... just to know =) |
| 08:04.47 | iceroot | ok |
| 08:04.52 | lotus-blade | paradoxmonkey: one is running win7 and the other is running xpsp3 |
| 08:04.56 | DukeDrake | jmarsden, iceroot: thanx |
| 08:05.17 | jmarsden | DukeDrake: You're welcome. |
| 08:06.20 | jmarsden | lotus-blade: If you do smbclient -L 1.2.3.4 -N # where 1.2.3.4 is the IP of the Windows box, do you get a list of shares? |
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| 08:07.05 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: by default windows doesn't allow anonymous login. You could try to enable the guest account |
| 08:07.11 | uwjesd | How can I rename a bulk of files from filename.txt to filename.txt2 |
| 08:07.12 | jmarsden | uwjesd: for i in *.txt ; do mv ${i} ${i}2 ; done |
| 08:07.47 | uwjesd | Thanks |
| 08:07.55 | jmarsden | uwjesd: You're welcome. |
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| 08:09.11 | uwjesd | jmarsden: does not work though. |
| 08:10.16 | xororand | which debian package contains the man page of pthread_create? |
| 08:10.35 | jmarsden | uwjesd: OK, let's test: mkdir /tmp/test ; cd /tmp/test ; touch filea.txt fileb.txt filec.txt ; for i in *.txt ; do mv ${i} ${i}2 ; done ; ls |
| 08:10.39 | xororand | nevermind, manpages-posix(-dev) looks good |
| 08:10.43 | jmarsden | uwjesd: I get filea.txt2 fileb.txt2filec.txt2 # what do you yet? |
| 08:10.52 | lotus-blade | paradoxmonkey: Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED session request to 192.168.2.2 failed (Called name not present) session request to 192 failed (Called name not present) session request to SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present) NetBIOS over TCP disabled -- no workgroup available |
| 08:11.40 | lotus-blade | never had to use a password before, is it possible an update in windows changed any settings? |
| 08:12.09 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: Did you have the guest account enabled before? |
| 08:14.23 | jmarsden | uwjesd: Did you test? Did it work? If it failed, what did you see? |
| 08:15.20 | lotus-blade | nope |
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| 08:16.22 | uwjesd | jmarsden: Yeah, this works. Thanks. |
| 08:16.57 | Viking667 | really quick question. What command can be used to find out what debian package a file belongs to? |
| 08:17.12 | jmarsden | uwjesd: OK, good. I've been writing shell scripts for 17+ years, for a one liner to "not work" would have been embarrassing :) |
| 08:17.21 | jmarsden | Viking667: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 08:17.32 | Viking667 | Oh. THAT simple. |
| 08:18.13 | Viking667 | Is there an apt-cache version of that, for when I haven't got the deb installed, but I want to knowwhat package provides that file? |
| 08:18.19 | Viking667 | btw, thanks |
| 08:18.25 | jmarsden | Viking667: For that you need apt-file |
| 08:19.00 | paradoxmonkey | lotus-blade: The thing is that you can't access a windows share unless your provide the password for a user on that win machine. Windows don't like anonymous logins. |
| 08:19.21 | Viking667 | is puzzled. No matches, yet the darn thing's in his process list. |
| 08:19.26 | Viking667 | krfcommd |
| 08:19.34 | jmarsden | process name != filename |
| 08:19.46 | Viking667 | Yeah, so I'm finding out. |
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| 08:20.06 | Viking667 | Normally $0 is the process name, but there's a big fat warning in SUS2004 that it may not always be so. |
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| 08:20.45 | Viking667 | *blink* .... waaaait a minute. It's not even on my hard drive! |
| 08:21.26 | Viking667 | hm. Not one of those kernel-level processes, is it now? |
| 08:22.18 | jmarsden | See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1010595 for a thread including the comment "I noticed krfcommd too after visiting some dubious web sites." ... |
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| 08:22.38 | jmarsden | That's slightly worrying... |
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| 08:23.57 | mischievous | can anyone tell me if i can have F11 *not* maximize the current window..? |
| 08:24.40 | jmarsden | Yes, you can. Worst case you could xmodmap the key to some other value, but that's kind of brutal... |
| 08:25.10 | paradoxmonkey | Is it normal for a FTP transfer (over lan) to drop in speed dramatically? |
| 08:26.57 | mischievous | jmarsden, i use F11 and F12 in my screen/tmux bindings, and i cant use F11 when openbox or whatever eats the key |
| 08:26.59 | jmarsden | paradoxmonkey: No, TCP file transfers normally speed up over time to the max the connection can support. |
| 08:28.16 | paradoxmonkey | jmarsden: Then there must be something wrong with my setup (vsftpd to filezilla). Samba is even faster then FTP. |
| 08:29.31 | jmarsden | mischievous: Right. If you understand networking well, running Wireshark (or any network sniffer you know how to use) during the FTP xfer and looking at the trace may help you understand what is happening. |
| 08:29.47 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 08:30.03 | mischievous | jmarsden, i think you meant that for paradoxmonkey |
| 08:30.13 | jmarsden | mischievous: Ah, yes... :) |
| 08:30.42 | DukeDrake | what is this line doing, and how can I create something like that? "sudo <something> <pw_in_hex>" |
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| 08:31.30 | DukeDrake | ok, I understand <something> is a binary |
| 08:31.48 | jmarsden | mischievous: For the keybinding thing, if you can't do it any better way, xmodmap F11 into F13 and use F13 in your screen bindings etc... then pressing F11 will generate an F13 keystroke which screen will use for whatever you want it to do... |
| 08:32.05 | DukeDrake | so ... how can I restrict access to a binary via password? |
| 08:32.55 | jmarsden | DukeDrake: sudo SOMETHING PARAMETER1 PARAMETER2 # runs the command SOMETHING with root privilegdes via the sudo command. man sudo |
| 08:33.10 | jmarsden | You might do better to restrict who can use sudo :) |
| 08:33.18 | DukeDrake | yes ... =) |
| 08:33.32 | DukeDrake | but where do I create the password in hex? |
| 08:34.10 | jmarsden | Huh? how do I know... I don't even know what the SOMETHING you are running is! |
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| 08:34.28 | DukeDrake | oh! |
| 08:34.42 | DukeDrake | I understand now |
| 08:34.49 | jmarsden | Just man sudoers and set it so only you (and people you trust) can run sudo ... |
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| 08:38.58 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 08:39.05 | ddalton | hey is there anyone around that could help me out with wifi under debian? |
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| 08:42.02 | ktwilight_ | ddalton, what's the problem? |
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| 08:43.00 | ddalton | well you see, I did a reinstall, and i only had backup of wpasupplicant.conf, forgot to do interfaces, so I followed a few howtos, and got myself into a pretty big mess... I just want to set it up to connect |
| 08:43.50 | ddalton | to my wpa encrypted ntetwork, using wpa_supplicant, or command line tools, but... im not sure where to start, I don't even know if I've installed the drivers for my card correctly, is there a way to check my card is being recognised? I think its an atheros chipset |
| 08:43.52 | ktwilight_ | ddalton, let's see your /etc/network/interfaces - paste it on pastebin or such |
| 08:44.12 | ktwilight_ | ddalton, "iwconfig" should tell you |
| 08:44.34 | ktwilight_ | ddalton, if your card works, iwconfig will detect your wifi module |
| 08:44.54 | ktwilight_ | ddalton, unless your wifi is disabled in which you should do "ifconfig wlan0 up" |
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| 08:46.50 | Viking667 | hm. How the heck do I see what processes are "owned" directly by the kernel |
| 08:48.25 | Viking667 | cos this one has a PID of 42 |
| 08:48.39 | Viking667 | I can't seem to kill it (though it's not actually using any CPU time either) |
| 08:50.23 | uwjesd | How to convert a couple of pictures into one pdf file? |
| 08:50.51 | Viking667 | jpg2ps and ps2eps and eps2pdf |
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| 08:51.29 | Viking667 | (that's if you have them installed) |
| 08:51.51 | uwjesd | I try that |
| 08:52.31 | ddalton | ktwilight_: sure, give me a sec as i have to copy it over on a usb due to the fact i got no net on the laptop itself, iwlist scan shows a few networks in the area, so does that mean I don't need to worry about installing drivers as that should be working, it looks like it loads ath5k btw from dmesg |
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| 08:52.55 | valdyn | Viking667: kernel threads are shown as using no memory |
| 08:53.29 | Viking667 | yeah. That looks about right. |
| 08:53.55 | ktwilight_ | ddalton, yup, that means your wifi is fine. seems like it's your interfaces that's wrong. you may want to check out the manual 'man interfaces' i have to get going :( but am sure your config file is mesesd up somewhere |
| 08:54.13 | Viking667 | yup. That's exactly right. -10 priority, no virtual, no resident memor. |
| 08:54.14 | ddalton | ok thanks |
| 08:54.16 | ddalton | :) |
| 08:54.28 | ktwilight_ | :) |
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| 08:54.47 | Viking667 | except now I'm trying to figure out how to stop the kernel from bringing up the bluetooth when I haven't got anything that wants it. |
| 08:54.53 | Viking667 | i.e. I removed bluez |
| 08:55.04 | valdyn | Viking667: why bother? |
| 08:56.05 | DukeDrake | how can I compile a shell script to a binary? |
| 08:56.13 | valdyn | DukeDrake: dont bother trying |
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| 08:57.09 | DukeDrake | I don't want to set suid for bash ... >.> |
| 08:57.16 | Viking667 | I see no sense in having stuff sit around merely for the sake of sitting around. |
| 08:57.28 | Viking667 | I either want to use it, or I don't have it. Simple. |
| 08:57.45 | valdyn | Viking667: i see no sense in putting time into doing things that are pointless ;) |
| 08:58.17 | Viking667 | remember when kernels used to sit around about 240k? |
| 08:58.31 | valdyn | Viking667: yes |
| 08:58.42 | valdyn | Viking667: i cant see directly whats starting your bt |
| 08:58.56 | Viking667 | now, my Ubuntu kernel sits at 3.8Mb on disk. One of those "bits" is bluetooth. |
| 08:59.00 | valdyn | gnome pulls bluez, but thats already gone you said.. |
| 08:59.08 | Viking667 | yeah. It's gone. |
| 08:59.19 | valdyn | Viking667: that explains that -> ubuntu isnt debian..... so how could i know |
| 08:59.25 | Viking667 | I just nuked python-bluez too, so a reboot (hopefully) will be one less channel. |
| 08:59.38 | Viking667 | valdyn: sorry. There's not a hell of a lot of difference for me. |
| 08:59.53 | valdyn | Viking667: appearantly there is a difference regarding bt? |
| 09:00.14 | Viking667 | possibly. I don't have a debian kernel here to compare against. |
| 09:00.23 | tensorpudding | the versions of software (and which softare is packaged) between ubuntu and debian can be very different |
| 09:00.31 | Viking667 | "can" be... |
| 09:00.42 | Viking667 | not always, but your point is certainly valid. |
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| 09:01.29 | jtza8 | I haven't been using Debian for a while... Are there still stable/test/unstable branches? |
| 09:01.36 | jtza8 | (of course there is) |
| 09:01.41 | valdyn | DukeDrake: youre trying the wrong solution to a problem that you didnt tell us |
| 09:02.02 | valdyn | jtza8: yes |
| 09:02.34 | jtza8 | I'm just wondering if I can install a test branch from the bootable (small) cd? |
| 09:02.59 | valdyn | jtza8: you probably can, but you should install stable and go from there, "upgrade" if you want |
| 09:03.14 | jtza8 | right |
| 09:03.34 | Viking667 | Right. I'm out of here to see if a reboot removes it. |
| 09:03.36 | Viking667 | Thanks. |
| 09:03.44 | jtza8 | valdyn: And that's the normal procedure? |
| 09:03.56 | valdyn | jtza8: thats the recommended procedure |
| 09:04.06 | jtza8 | Ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:08.01 | emorris | hi, are there any pitfalls in dd'ing a hard disk in one pc to another to get an identical system? Or is there an easier/better way? |
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| 09:08.18 | valdyn | emorris: thats a decent way |
| 09:08.39 | valdyn | emorris: references to disks might change for the boot manager and for linux |
| 09:08.57 | emorris | right |
| 09:09.16 | emorris | that should be ok; I can get a live system up and change stuff |
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| 09:10.58 | emorris | thanks |
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| 09:17.55 | a_l_e | i'm trying to add myself to the fuse group... editing /etc/group and "sudo usermod -a -G fuse ale" both seem to add myself fo the group... |
| 09:18.47 | a_l_e | ... but, then, "$ groups" does not list "fuse" and i still get a "permission denied" when trying to mount a sshfs partition: any idea? |
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| 09:19.12 | a_l_e | btw... debian testing here... |
| 09:19.17 | a_l_e | if it matters |
| 09:19.42 | phorce1 | a_l_e: did you log out/back in after adding the groups |
| 09:19.46 | a_l_e | if i "sudo mount" it works correclty" |
| 09:19.57 | a_l_e | phorce1: i'm on debian, not on windows :-) |
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| 09:20.05 | \amethyst | a_l_e: you have to log in again, or run newgrp, for the change to take affect |
| 09:20.10 | phorce1 | a_l_e: so? |
| 09:20.30 | \amethyst | a_l_e: changing /etc/group doesn't affect membership of existing sessions |
| 09:20.36 | simonrvn | a_l_e: logging out is not rebooting ... |
| 09:20.47 | a_l_e | phorce1: nothing, it was a joke... i'm happy with \amethyst's newgrp comand :-) |
| 09:20.50 | dutchfish | a_l_e, i have same problem mounting usb devices only, related to udev and to new kernel (squeeze/amd64, 2.6.32) |
| 09:21.14 | \amethyst | a_l_e: (note that with newgrp, you're only a memeber of the group *inside* the shell launched by newgrp |
| 09:21.33 | \amethyst | a_l_e: so it won't affect other processes or shells) |
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| 09:22.38 | phorce1 | newgrp can be a bit twitchy .... uhhh, what \amethyst said while I was typing |
| 09:23.41 | a_l_e | mmmh... it doesn't work... |
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| 09:24.24 | Mkman | Hello |
| 09:24.35 | a_l_e | i will try to relogin... |
| 09:24.53 | phorce1 | hates having to do things that require adding himself to a new group. He usually has 3 or 4 xterms open and at least one of them is a 'screen' session with 4 or 5 tty's. That's a lot of closing out of tty's and remembering what was in them for starting them back up. |
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| 09:25.35 | a_l_e | phorce1: well, at least the screen session should not be a problem: you can detach it... |
| 09:25.50 | simonrvn | phorce1: i know... i hate that. i usually wait and use sg or newgrp if i need that new group. |
| 09:25.51 | Supaplex | nudges phorce1 off balance |
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| 09:26.23 | phorce1 | grabs Supaplex by the ear to remain upright |
| 09:26.49 | Supaplex | hah :) sup? ltns |
| 09:27.03 | dutchfish | phorce1, i wonder if it is possible to trick pam into picking up the newer group rights on the fly |
| 09:27.14 | phorce1 | a_l_e: but the detached screen session logins don't get the new group. Have to close out averything and start over. |
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| 09:27.52 | ghostknife | I'm trying to pin a package I built myself, to avoid apt from upgrading it to the official one. How can I match it? Or rather, how can I determine it's "release" or "origin |
| 09:28.24 | phorce1 | Supaplex: #d-ot |
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| 09:29.44 | Supaplex | phorce1: #d-ot,0 |
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| 09:30.28 | phorce1 | Supaplex: sorry -- I meant #debian-offtopic (freenode) |
| 09:30.42 | a_l_e | relogging in did the job: thanks |
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| 09:31.29 | dutchfish | i have a weird problem, installing kde/debian squeeze leads me to the following problem, i need to login "twice" on de graphical login screen. how to disect this one? and where to report? |
| 09:31.32 | Supaplex | a_l_e: np. that'll be $349 |
| 09:31.42 | a_l_e | Supaplex: fine! |
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| 09:33.54 | ShishKabab | Hi. I've added an SSH public key of server1 to the authorized_keys file of server2 and I still can't login from server1 to server2. The contents of .ssh are read-writable only by user on both servers. Any ideas why this doesn't work? |
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| 09:34.25 | ghostknife | hmm. I see now. What software can I use to setup my own mini repository for my rebuilt packages? |
| 09:34.35 | paradoxmonkey | What transfer speeds can i expect using FTP on a gigabit network (pci nic on server)? |
| 09:35.02 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, the speed of your disk |
| 09:35.11 | a_l_e | Supaplex: since you're in the us, i have a deal for you: my father recently died and i should get much money. but i want to get it of my country and i'll need your help. if you can help me setup a bank account in the US i will give you the $349 + 10% of all the amount i inherited. |
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| 09:37.21 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: iperf gives me ~700mbit/s, ftp transfers start fast and then gradually drop to about 10-20MB/s, samba is actually faster keeping about 30-45MB/s. Something most be wrong with my ftp, right? |
| 09:38.00 | jmarsden | ghostknife: mini-dinstall perhaps? |
| 09:38.49 | liable_ | theres a few repo packages about |
| 09:39.08 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, the drop in speed with ftp is because as soon as you run out of buffer, the speed decreases to disk speed - overhead, ftp can be a bitch |
| 09:39.24 | dzup_ | hello |
| 09:39.26 | puff | ShishKabab: Sometimes the perms of the .ssh dir can be critical. |
| 09:39.31 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, nfs will be the fastest |
| 09:40.22 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you can further increase samba's speed with jumbo frames if your nic and switch support it |
| 09:40.26 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: most likly but setting up nfs on windows seems like pain |
| 09:40.26 | jmarsden | dutchfish: If SAMBA sustains 30-45MBps, then disk speed must be at least that. So FTP dropping to 10-20Mbps as a result of disk speed does not seem logical. |
| 09:40.52 | dutchfish | jmarsden, true |
| 09:41.17 | dutchfish | jmarsden, but ftps and sftp do like that |
| 09:41.27 | valdyn | jmarsden: what are you copying? one large file? many small files? |
| 09:41.43 | puff | paradoxmonkey: FWIW, windows file transfer seems to be excruciatingly slow, im my experience. We hypothesized that its session overhead is pathological, but have no real evidence to back that up. |
| 09:41.43 | jmarsden | I'm not copying anything, paradoxmonkey is :) |
| 09:41.56 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: what are you copying? one large file? many small files? |
| 09:42.14 | paradoxmonkey | jmarsden: Then something must be wrong with vsftpd? I'm not trying use ftps or sftp |
| 09:42.21 | puff | paradoxmonkey: Specifically, wht valdyn alluded to, from what we could tell the windows side performed much worse with many small files. |
| 09:42.44 | paradoxmonkey | valdyn: A big avi file about 700MB big, I also tried with bigger files same result |
| 09:42.50 | valdyn | windows network performance used to be very bad. |
| 09:43.31 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: try a debian client on the same network and server? |
| 09:43.34 | jmarsden | if you want to get rid of protocol overhead, use netcat at both ends and one big file... but that doesn't explain 10MB/s on a gigabit network, people... something is *wrong* about that. |
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| 09:44.15 | valdyn | jmarsden: just because you have GE nics you dont magically get decent cabling |
| 09:44.26 | valdyn | jmarsden: or a decent switch |
| 09:44.29 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, can you try it with a random generated file, avi's can have a very bad effect on network performance, or gzip it first as a test and try again |
| 09:44.38 | jmarsden | valdyn: He said: <paradoxmonkey> dutchfish: iperf gives me ~700mbit/s, |
| 09:44.43 | paradoxmonkey | valdyn: It still doesn't make sence that samba is faster then ftp |
| 09:44.55 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, oh it does sometimes |
| 09:45.16 | woland | how does sid compare to fedora in terms of stability? |
| 09:45.30 | valdyn | woland: sid changes every day, fedora does not |
| 09:45.37 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, did you use passive or active modus? is there a router in between? |
| 09:45.54 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, what MTU size? |
| 09:46.12 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, did you use compression? |
| 09:46.12 | jmarsden | dutchfish: if iperf is showing 700mbits/sec and he has a router, it is a pretty fast router :) |
| 09:46.31 | woland | valdyn: would you recommend i use it? i'm an advanced linux and bsd user, so can fix most issues. however i'd rather get on with more interesting stuff than fixing bug after bug |
| 09:46.52 | ShishKabab | puff: I forgot that and that was wrong indeed. But I fixed it on both server1 and server2 and it still doesn't work. |
| 09:47.00 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: no router between, It's strictly a lan to lan transfer, MTU is 1500 (no jumbo frames). And I don't think I use compression |
| 09:47.02 | valdyn | woland: you should use debian/stable or centos or rhel, not fedora, not sid |
| 09:47.12 | dutchfish | jmarsden, hard to tell, iperf uses small packets by default |
| 09:47.13 | neoice | why is there a bash-static in the repos? shouldnt root's shell be staticlly linked? |
| 09:47.38 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, samba uses compression by default |
| 09:47.54 | valdyn | neoice: no? why would it be static? |
| 09:48.07 | paradoxmonkey | jmarsden: My little router is running debian @ 800 Mhz (intel atom + speed step) |
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| 09:48.38 | neoice | valdyn: in case you nuke major libraries? |
| 09:48.43 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: That was something new :) Will try with compression then. |
| 09:49.03 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, i would first test with iperf and dif packet sizes |
| 09:49.12 | valdyn | neoice: bash alone cant fix your major nuked libraries |
| 09:49.22 | valdyn | neoice: bash alone isnt good for anything |
| 09:49.27 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, that way you can rule out disk in every case |
| 09:49.28 | woland | or if you have /bin /lib on diff partitions |
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| 09:49.46 | Trewas | paradoxmonkey: compression only slows things down when transfering already compressed files like videos |
| 09:50.07 | neoice | yeah, I remember Solaris docs recommending that root's default shell be staticlly linked |
| 09:50.27 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, and use a sniffer like tcpdump or iptraf and wireshark |
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| 09:50.43 | jmarsden | The idea that SAMBA can compress a .AVI file 2:1 or better is ... very optimistic, shall we say. |
| 09:50.51 | jmarsden | dutchfish: That's what I suggested he do hours ago :) |
| 09:50.52 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: How come TCP windows size isn't auto negotiated with iperf? |
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| 09:51.17 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, it by design, you do that yourself |
| 09:51.50 | jmarsden | paradoxmonkey: If it autonegotiated the test results woudl differ depending on the negotiation. So you control it by hand to have one less variable during testing. |
| 09:51.55 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, if you windows machine is vista, then this makes perfect sence btw |
| 09:52.20 | paradoxmonkey | jmarsden: and am I to only be watching the tcp streams go by or what? |
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| 09:52.49 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you watch for packet sizes and performance on packet sizes |
| 09:53.06 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, iptraf might be a starter |
| 09:53.30 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: ok, let me try iperf now |
| 09:53.37 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, gl |
| 09:54.00 | jmarsden | heads for bed... approaching 2am here... |
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| 09:54.36 | dutchfish | jmarsden, thanks for all |
| 09:54.53 | jmarsden | You're welcome |
| 09:54.54 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: To set dif package size with option in iperf is it? |
| 09:55.03 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, yup |
| 09:55.43 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 09:57.14 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: Is it 'TCP Windows Size' or 'Max Segment Size' |
| 09:58.42 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, http://openmaniak.com/iperf.php |
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| 10:01.43 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, also read testing with UDP |
| 10:02.42 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: I still can't find the option to set a different package size |
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| 10:04.06 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, -n |
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| 10:06.04 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, with UDP -l sets packet size |
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| 10:06.14 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, that -l (lima) |
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| 10:07.13 | Janni | Hello. |
| 10:07.56 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, windowsize plays an important role on high latency nets, it is often necessary to select a larger TCP window size than the (operating system) default. |
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| 10:08.36 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, ftp account for this one better then others |
| 10:08.53 | Janni | Occasionally (quite seldom actually) my soundcard isn't detected on bootup. A reboot fixes the problem. But it should probably be possible to reconfigure audio without rebooting. Can you tell me how? |
| 10:09.20 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, on low latency nets this has its drawbacks |
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| 10:09.42 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: When you said I should try iperf with udp did you mean to test the latency or bandwidth? |
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| 10:09.55 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, bandwidth |
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| 10:10.10 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, rem, samba does some stuff on UDP |
| 10:10.44 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you could even test the old AND new samba portds |
| 10:10.54 | dutchfish | s/prtds/ports |
| 10:11.19 | orzel | hello. I'm not really used to debian stuff.... is there a way to get a list of dates for all packages install/update ? or for one package ? Something like "version xx installed on xxxx, updated on yy for version yyy, removed on zzzz"... ? |
| 10:11.42 | valdyn | orzel: read /var/log/dpkg.log* and/or /var/log/aptitude* |
| 10:11.49 | orzel | Similarly, is there a way to know current version of a package ? I cant find this in the man page? |
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| 10:12.03 | valdyn | orzel: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 10:12.19 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: To test upd bandwidth I need to set the -b on client however I don't know how high/low it should be |
| 10:12.30 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, 1 q, are you testing between 2 debian machines or is there a windows machine involved or in between? |
| 10:12.47 | orzel | valdyn: ah, indeed, /var/log/dpkg.log contains this.. (am i obsolte and should switch to aptitude or.....?) |
| 10:13.02 | valdyn | orzel: no you dont nee to switch |
| 10:13.33 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, imperical, ie you should test and narrow it down, start with 90% of theoritical bandwidth |
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| 10:14.01 | orzel | valdyn: and indeed policy gives the information. Your help was perfect : quick and to the point, thanks a log ! |
| 10:14.05 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, or leave it as a starter |
| 10:14.11 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: jperf (windows) to iperf (debian) |
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| 10:14.28 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, and that windows machine is vista/win7? |
| 10:14.41 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: win7 |
| 10:15.24 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, then disable NAP first ;) read on kaspersky fora how to do it, i cant help you with this further on this channel, good luck (its offtopic) |
| 10:15.51 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: I don't get this udp test, what ever I enter using the -d option I never get over 200Mbit/s |
| 10:16.19 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, its ~ right, read all i have said |
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| 10:17.05 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, but believe me, its not your linux box ;) |
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| 10:17.58 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: Will try to disable 'network access protection', but I still don't get this upd stuff with the -d option |
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| 10:18.30 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you could try #windows with the bandwidth problem on win machines |
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| 10:24.17 | manicman | i have a bluetooth laser mouse and a thinkpad... i have tried to follow several howtos but hidd isnt present any more and severl other things seems to be changed. any link to a working howto to get my mouse working? |
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| 10:26.51 | lxsameer | hi , is there any way to install 32bit opengl in a 64bit debian ? |
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| 10:30.09 | debiantonio | manicman, may be help --> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_(stable)_on_an_X300 |
| 10:32.17 | dutchfish | i have a weird problem, installing kde/debian squeeze leads me to the following problem, i need to login "twice" on de graphical login screen. how to disect this one? and where to report? |
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| 10:33.05 | AkhlD | ppl please help me to remove phpmyadmin i tried but this is the error it shows apt-get -f install phpmyadmin |
| 10:33.20 | AkhlD | sorry this one http://pastebin.com/d299611eb |
| 10:34.07 | maligor | AkhlD, does /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/prerm.mysql exist? |
| 10:34.29 | AkhlD | i removed it |
| 10:34.31 | AkhlD | :( |
| 10:34.37 | lxsameer | valdyn: i can't find any useful thing |
| 10:34.44 | maligor | AkhlD, why? |
| 10:34.45 | AkhlD | all folders named dbconfig-common |
| 10:34.57 | AkhlD | phpmyadmin messed |
| 10:35.06 | manicman | debiantonio: for the mouse there is a link to http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Laser_Mouse but the hidd command is missing... |
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| 10:35.15 | manicman | and i have already installed the bluetooth stuff.. |
| 10:35.59 | maligor | AkhlD, well, I imagine they're just sql commands, you can either get them from the package (using dpkg -x and copying them over), or you can just make empty ones |
| 10:36.08 | maligor | AkhlD, empty ones might leave your database mangled tho |
| 10:36.17 | maligor | or with useless junk rather |
| 10:36.34 | AkhlD | i ddnt get tht |
| 10:36.47 | AkhlD | wht do i need to type in the Terminal ? |
| 10:36.52 | nsadmin | yw nd vwls |
| 10:36.58 | dutchfish | .... dbconfig-common: /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/prerm.mysql |
| 10:37.24 | maligor | AkhlD, just reinstall dbconfig-common I guess |
| 10:37.35 | AkhlD | http://tuxedo.cos.eu/~hagrid/dbconfig-common-1.8.39.tgz << this file ? |
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| 10:38.12 | maligor | aptitude reinstall dbconfig-common |
| 10:38.24 | debiantonio | manicman, see topic Bluetooth |
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| 10:40.12 | dutchfish | AkhlD, 1 q, why do you install tarballs when you have a so nice packagemanager? |
| 10:40.29 | AkhlD | its not in my system |
| 10:40.34 | AkhlD | all i gat is Terminal |
| 10:40.39 | manicman | debiantonio: hm.. dont find anything.. thats why i am asking here... i always get WARNING: sysfs attribute bluetooth_enable is deprecated and will be removed. Please switch to generic rfkill before year 2010.. but i am not sure what this means.. |
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| 10:40.57 | maligor | AkhlD, all you need is a terminal |
| 10:41.14 | debiantonio | manicman, yeahhh |
| 10:41.23 | AkhlD | yeh |
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| 10:44.29 | valdyn | 2121oooxmonad |
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| 10:46.35 | simonrvn | manicman: rfkill is an application .. |
| 10:47.23 | debiantonio | manicman, if Ubuntu work fine why Debian cannot? |
| 10:49.01 | manicman | debiantonio: i dont know |
| 10:49.18 | debiantonio | :( |
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| 10:51.17 | debiantonio | manicman, find google ->bluetooth laser mouse and a thinkpad in Debian |
| 10:51.57 | debiantonio | manicman, many sources :) |
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| 10:55.32 | amee2k|hiviz | when autofs mounts something, is there a way to make it update a symlink to point to the mountpoint where it just mounted the device? |
| 10:58.41 | debiantonio | amee2ki, http://www.linux-consulting.com/Amd_AutoFS/autofs.html |
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| 11:00.32 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz,http://www.linux-consulting.com/Amd_AutoFS/autofs.html |
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| 11:00.42 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: looking at wireshark ftp seam to be sending data in chunks of 1460 bytes |
| 11:01.08 | amee2k|hiviz | well, yes thanks. tbat doesn't say anything about symlinks tho. |
| 11:01.32 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, did you check if checksum offloading is in play? on both ends? |
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| 11:02.10 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, read about wireshark and checksum offloading |
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| 11:02.48 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, http://www.linux-consulting.com/Amd_AutoFS/autofs-7.html#ss7.3 |
| 11:03.02 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: On debian how can I see if checksum offloading is enabled? |
| 11:03.41 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, depends on lan-adapter, most do by default nowadays |
| 11:04.14 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, http://freespace.sourceforge.net/guidod/howto/autofs.html |
| 11:04.26 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, man ip |
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| 11:05.07 | amee2k|hiviz | i don't get it... how does this help me with my symlink thing? |
| 11:05.37 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, error ethtool (my mistake) |
| 11:05.39 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, ????? |
| 11:06.02 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, http://www.meshwalk.com/?p=34 |
| 11:06.21 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: yeah I also found it :) |
| 11:06.27 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, :) |
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| 11:07.42 | paradoxmonkey | Dutchfish: rx-checksumming: on, tx-checksumming: on, large receive offload: off |
| 11:07.42 | amee2k|hiviz | the linux-consulting page doesn't even contain the word 'symlink', and the other only talks about me creating the links manually |
| 11:08.05 | paradoxmonkey | Dutchfish: also checksum offloading is enabled in win aswell |
| 11:08.09 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, checksum offloading has a big impact on performance yes |
| 11:08.32 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, open link ctrl+f and symlink |
| 11:08.50 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, many many symlink words |
| 11:09.15 | amee2k|hiviz | yes, i did that. it says "Phrase not found" on the first page, and the other one only talks about /me/ creating the links |
| 11:09.20 | amee2k|hiviz | do you even understand my question? |
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| 11:10.04 | paradoxmonkey | Dutchfish: So by having offloading on network perf improves, right? I think we are going to far away from the main problem, remember samba sustains speeds of 30-45MB/s while ftp well sucks |
| 11:10.07 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, yes...you read all text? |
| 11:10.10 | amee2k|hiviz | or did you just google "autofs symlink" because these two pages were the first two pages i found this way too |
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| 11:10.56 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, read this -> http://freespace.sourceforge.net/guidod/howto/autofs.html |
| 11:11.11 | Gijs | is it possible if i zip a file that it don't pack some files? |
| 11:11.16 | manicman | debiantonio: hm.. yes there are many source, but most of them suggest adding HIDD options to /etc/default/bluetooth. and this option seem to be replaced. and i dont know that to use now |
| 11:11.37 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, yes, and to the second question, we still dont know if it is protocol related on the receiver or sender side |
| 11:11.41 | amee2k|hiviz | again? |
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| 11:12.34 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, i would use a debian livecd on the win machine and test all again in linux only as a first try, to rule out OS related q |
| 11:12.46 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, symlinks ? |
| 11:12.58 | amee2k|hiviz | the freespace page only talks about me creating symlinks because it is apparently written for a version that doesn't support --ghost yet |
| 11:13.16 | debiantonio | mannnnnnnn |
| 11:13.21 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, also it quickly determines any hardware problems |
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| 11:13.41 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, that is, if any |
| 11:14.22 | amee2k|hiviz | plus some ranting how stupid linus is to shit on supermount and how people struggle to make autofs do its job. |
| 11:14.44 | paradoxmonkey | Dutchfish: That's a good idea, out with windows and let us see some debian magic :) |
| 11:14.53 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
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| 11:15.12 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, that doesnt mean its the other OS fault, but it narrows it down for now |
| 11:16.10 | amee2k|hiviz | that is about udev creating symlinks for device nodes. do you remember what i wanted the symlinks to point at? |
| 11:16.24 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, also bear in mind that wireshark itself can have a big impact on the measerurements, try using tiny tools like tcpdump or iptraf |
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| 11:17.24 | amee2k|hiviz | the udev symlinks are rather useless imo when you mount partitions by UUID. but neither works for network mounts |
| 11:17.24 | oggei | moin |
| 11:17.38 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, iftop is another nice tool for this also |
| 11:18.09 | amee2k|hiviz | do you even know that autofs can do what i want in the first place? |
| 11:18.47 | paradoxmonkey | Dutchfish: so I should do a tcpdump on debian and look for dropped packages etc while ftp-ing? |
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| 11:19.27 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, that and use iftop for rough bandwidth monitoring at first glance |
| 11:20.07 | Gijs | Hey all, i got a question: is it possible if i zip a direction that it ignore/don't pack some files in that direction/ |
| 11:20.09 | Gijs | ? |
| 11:21.02 | dutchfish | Gijs, like a regex? or reg-exing a stream? |
| 11:21.18 | Gijs | huh? |
| 11:21.23 | Gijs | i mean if i use the cmd zip |
| 11:21.31 | Gijs | that i can add a option to ignore some files |
| 11:21.39 | dutchfish | Gijs, then reg-ex it through a pipe |
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| 11:21.53 | Gijs | Can you give me an example? |
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| 11:23.06 | dutchfish | Gijs, somthing like tar -cvf - `find . -name "*.psd" -print | grep -i '.*\/\w*\.psd$'` | gzip -9 > backup.tar.gz |
| 11:23.12 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, find any tips symlinks or autofs |
| 11:23.24 | Gijs | i need to use zip :$ |
| 11:23.25 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html |
| 11:23.43 | dutchfish | Gijs, that would be simular |
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| 11:24.13 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: I will try with a live cd now |
| 11:24.23 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, good luck again |
| 11:24.45 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, here -> http://www.linuxhq.com/lg/issue24/nielsen.html |
| 11:25.10 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: btw does it matter if I use ubuntu, afaik debian doesn't have a live cd |
| 11:25.25 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, oh but is has :) |
| 11:25.29 | AimHere | I believe it does |
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| 11:25.38 | dutchfish | !livecd |
| 11:25.39 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 11:26.09 | amee2k|hiviz | "so *I* created symlinks under [...]" << wrong person. i didn't, and i don't want to. |
| 11:26.31 | amee2k|hiviz | and the second one doesn't have "symlink" in it either |
| 11:26.31 | dutchfish | Gijs, ask q in channel |
| 11:26.45 | amee2k|hiviz | are you a bot? |
| 11:26.55 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: thx :), didn't know that |
| 11:27.14 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, yw |
| 11:28.01 | debiantonio | amee2k|hiviz, so... |
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| 11:28.42 | pentanol | hey, anybody use encoded dvb-s channels on x86_64 arch? which client you use for cccam? |
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| 11:30.30 | bio-tty | how do i list all packages that i have manually installed since the whole system bundle was installed |
| 11:32.51 | Gijs | Can you tell me what i need to change to have an zip line? |
| 11:32.55 | Gijs | I use this now: /usr/bin/zip -r /home/test/backup-works.zip * |
| 11:33.16 | dutchfish | bio-tty, aptitude search '~i!~E' | grep -v "i A" | cut -d " " -f 4 |
| 11:34.00 | bio-tty | oh. thanks. |
| 11:34.27 | Gijs | dutchfish, i found an option in the zip function: -d delete entries in zipfile |
| 11:34.32 | Gijs | is that something what i can use? |
| 11:34.40 | dutchfish | bio-tty, thats excluded essential packages |
| 11:34.53 | bio-tty | hmm, i get all the stuff that was installed from the start as well. |
| 11:34.58 | Gijs | or: -n don't compress these suffixes |
| 11:35.12 | bio-tty | like many many x11 packages and so |
| 11:35.16 | dutchfish | Gijs, sure, if thats what you want |
| 11:35.26 | bio-tty | i didnt install any x11 things manually |
| 11:35.42 | dutchfish | Gijs, but that does not neccesarely make your zip file smaller ;) |
| 11:36.39 | Gijs | i just don't want to add 4 files to the zip file |
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| 11:37.04 | Gijs | but here this don't work: /usr/bin/zip -r -n test.txt /home/test/backup-works.zip * |
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| 11:37.58 | dutchfish | bio-tty, if they where installed manually and have the purged status they are also listed |
| 11:38.31 | dutchfish | bio-tty, maybe someone else have a better idee .... i dunno how to do that |
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| 11:39.16 | dutchfish | bio-tty, or make some regex on dpkg -l ... mmm... |
| 11:39.47 | dutchfish | bio-tty, not sure |
| 11:40.51 | dutchfish | bio-tty, or aptitude search '!~M~i' |
| 11:41.04 | dutchfish | as a starter |
| 11:42.10 | dutchfish | bio-tty, that would bring us to: aptitude search '!~M~i' | cut -d " " -f 4 |
| 11:43.12 | dutchfish | bio-tty, no, does not cut it either |
| 11:45.15 | dutchfish | bio-tty, aptitude -F "%p" search \!~M~i~T (the best so far) |
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| 11:49.51 | dutchfish | Gijs, i have lost you now, can you rephrase what you want to do xactly? |
| 11:51.46 | dutchfish | Gijs, i was thinking that you wanted to recreate a zip file with part/whole of its content based on an expression |
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| 12:01.24 | vlt | Hello. I have several Debian servers in my network. Now my (maybe stupid) question: How could someone attack google's servers with a Browser? What do I have to do to protect my systems? |
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| 12:02.14 | dutchfish | vlt, wild gues, your proxy is sending to much queries on behalve of all the clients |
| 12:02.14 | valdyn | vlt: dont use ie |
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| 12:02.52 | dutchfish | valdyn, yup, that too |
| 12:03.37 | orzel | hello. Updating from etch to lenny, my kernel is 'kept back' and i dont understand why. Following the doc on debian.org i try to install a new kernel, but apt-get refuses to do so : http://freehackers.pastebin.com/m740fb521 any idea ? |
| 12:03.41 | vlt | valdyn: IE = Internet Explorer? |
| 12:03.43 | orzel | i guess the reason is the same |
| 12:03.47 | valdyn | vlt: yes |
| 12:04.11 | vlt | valdyn: I don't want to attack google, I want to protect myself against attacks. |
| 12:04.27 | vlt | is confused |
| 12:04.34 | valdyn | vlt: how do you think you can protect yourself against dos? |
| 12:05.14 | themill | orzel: use aptitude -- it's better at doing these sorts of upgrades, it will look harder for a solution and it provides better error messages. Also, are you following the release notes? /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 12:05.31 | themill | orzel: (err... wait a minute for dpkg to come back from it's daily cron restart...) |
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| 12:06.07 | vlt | valdyn: I read yesterday that google (yes THAT google) was attacked with Browswers. I want to know what I have to do to prevent someone attacking _my_ servers that way. |
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| 12:06.38 | valdyn | vlt: you cannot do that as far as i understand, im trying to find details about the google thing though |
| 12:06.51 | dutchfish | vlt, use a good proxy on your lan that monitors what goes out, make apropriate firewall rules |
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| 12:07.02 | orzel | themill: ok, thanks! |
| 12:07.45 | orzel | themill: dpkg is rebooted every day ? like a windows server ? fun. |
| 12:08.44 | vlt | dutchfish: What is an apropriate rule to protect my servers against Browser attacks? Blocking ports 80 and 443 wouldn't make mcuh sense. |
| 12:08.49 | valdyn | vlt: the weak points are the clients, not the servers. Theres no way to anticipate this on the servers side |
| 12:10.15 | themill | orzel: there are some bugs in its thread management that make it worthwhile. Probably also in its memory management at a guess. |
| 12:10.26 | vlt | valdyn: Sorry, I don't get it. AFAIK google's _servers_ were attacked. Hmmm, still confused ... |
| 12:10.35 | dutchfish | vlt, its a long story, but in a nutshell most attacks comes from inside by catching malware, by good firewall rules i mean, no services is allowed to go out from any client machine that is not authenticated (think radius, ntlm authentication etc etc) that way you also dont atrack DOS from nasty machines on the internet. |
| 12:11.00 | valdyn | vlt: "attacked" yes, but via the very same login that a regular user uses |
| 12:11.22 | vlt | googles google |
| 12:11.23 | valdyn | vlt: the security hole is the client. |
| 12:11.34 | dutchfish | valdyn, so true |
| 12:12.12 | valdyn | vlt: as a server admin you cannot be responsible for the clients unless you own the clients like google does |
| 12:12.42 | valdyn | vlt: ( but then again google might not control "private" computers that workers might be using ) |
| 12:13.26 | vlt | Aaaaahhh ... They attacked google using THEIR browsers! RIght? |
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| 12:14.00 | valdyn | vlt: i download a trojan, tho trojan starts sniffing my passwords, the passowrds are then used to log in |
| 12:14.13 | vlt | (their = browsers on machines inside google's internal network) |
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| 12:14.30 | valdyn | vlt: or as might have happened with google, "i download a malicious pdf file" etc. |
| 12:15.02 | valdyn | vlt: im not sure if its even relevant if this is in or external browsers as long as workers can download any pdf file |
| 12:15.05 | vlt | Tthat would mean someone at google was using IE?!? wt*? |
| 12:15.43 | valdyn | vlt: neither ie nor any browser can fix adobe acrobat |
| 12:16.03 | dutchfish | vlt, its not only related to a specific browser, some are however more vulnarable then others, start protected what goes in and out your net from the client machines |
| 12:16.26 | c0ndr | Request: does someone suggest me a free web hosting? thanks |
| 12:16.26 | valdyn | vlt: flash, adobe acrobat are potential holes |
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| 12:17.03 | vlt | valdyn, dutchfish: I begin to understand. This seems to be not #debian related then ... |
| 12:17.10 | valdyn | vlt: indeed |
| 12:17.14 | dutchfish | yup |
| 12:17.34 | valdyn | vlt: these holes are normally used to get bank account information |
| 12:17.47 | valdyn | vlt: the only "unique" thing here is probably that its used to attack google |
| 12:18.38 | valdyn | ( though i dont doubt that its popular for industrial espionage too, globally ) |
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| 12:18.57 | dutchfish | nods |
| 12:21.32 | dutchfish | vlt, in short firewall not only what comes in but also what goes out and proxify that |
| 12:22.35 | dutchfish | vlt, you might want to delve in psad and L7 filtering |
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| 12:30.21 | Gijs | hey is it possible to run a command after a some seconds?? |
| 12:31.18 | oggei | sleep <seconds>; command |
| 12:31.48 | oggei | or man at, for detached delayed execution |
| 12:31.57 | Gijs | huh? |
| 12:33.44 | Gijs | oggei what you mean? |
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| 12:34.14 | oggei | gijs: you have to execute command after an arbitrary amount of time right ? |
| 12:34.44 | Gijs | yes |
| 12:34.45 | oggei | i suggested two ways to accomplish that you can choose to investigate |
| 12:35.01 | Gijs | ok |
| 12:35.53 | Gijs | ??? |
| 12:37.28 | Gijs | oggei? |
| 12:38.22 | oggei | what |
| 12:38.35 | Gijs | what ways? |
| 12:38.46 | oggei | dunno |
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| 12:38.56 | Gijs | lol? |
| 12:38.56 | oggei | in fact, i never spoke to you bout anything |
| 12:39.02 | Gijs | [13:34] <oggei> i suggested two ways to accomplish that you can choose to investigate |
| 12:39.07 | Gijs | ~_~ |
| 12:39.27 | oggei | i must be mistaken |
| 12:39.33 | Gijs | lolwtf? |
| 12:39.37 | oggei | kthxbye ? |
| 12:39.43 | Gijs | . |
| 12:39.49 | vlt | dutchfish: As long as the clients are attacked and not the (Debian) servers I don't have to do anything here ;-) |
| 12:40.13 | Gijs | Guys how can i run a command after some time/seconds? |
| 12:40.53 | llutz | Gijs: [13:31:16] <oggei> sleep <seconds>; command [13:31:46] <oggei> or man at, for detached delayed execution |
| 12:41.07 | Gijs | what is detached delayed execution? |
| 12:41.30 | Gijs | and sleep is not good, i need something to run in the background for it |
| 12:42.02 | oggei | gijs: the history is: you ask, you got answer, you study, not : you ask, you got answer, you don't understand, you ask again with "huh!?" |
| 12:42.21 | Gijs | lol |
| 12:42.47 | Gijs | i am not allowed to ask anything if it is something what i don't search |
| 12:42.55 | Gijs | the sleep doesn't go in background |
| 12:43.15 | Gijs | i need to have a cmd to go in background for the seconds and then after the seconds it execute the cmd |
| 12:43.27 | JCaesar | You can get it to do that.@sleep |
| 12:44.12 | Gijs | what @sleep? |
| 12:44.18 | oggei | and anywy also ( sleep 1; echo im dumbo) & will do. |
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| 12:45.22 | JCaesar | Is there a way, to install a package as a dependency of another? (or set it as such after having installed it) |
| 12:46.00 | JCaesar | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.07 | oggei | jcaesar: normally packages declarates dependencies that got resolved and installed automatically, if needed, what you have to accomplish ? |
| 12:46.34 | lumis | I know this probably isn't the right channel, but is it possible to mount a 2.5inch IDE HDD in a desktop tower? |
| 12:46.42 | oggei | there is "apt-get autoremove" or deborphan (separate package) |
| 12:47.45 | JCaesar | ah, k |
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| 12:48.54 | oggei | JCaesar: there is also debfoster, interesting if you want to cleanup more |
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| 12:51.01 | iceroot | lumis: why not? |
| 12:51.28 | lumis | iceroot: just wondered if the connectors were any different (this is all hypothetical; I'm not at the stage where I need to imminently) |
| 12:51.47 | iceroot | lumis: yey they are different to 3.5 |
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| 12:52.15 | lumis | ok |
| 12:52.29 | lumis | so no chance at using one with a normal IDE ribbon? |
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| 12:52.47 | lumis | (epic hardware newb) |
| 12:53.47 | oggei | lumis: there are very simple adapters for using a 40pin (+electricity) with 2.5 |
| 12:53.48 | iceroot | lumis: buy adapters |
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| 12:57.06 | lumis | ok, thanks a lot guys :) |
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| 12:57.50 | EugenA | hi, how can i enable mod_rewrite for apache? |
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| 12:58.07 | iceroot | EugenA: sudo a2enmod modulname |
| 12:59.35 | iceroot | EugenA: ah sorry for sudo, i am ubuntu user, so sudo is in my brain :) |
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| 13:01.23 | nsadmin | sorry sap sucker sususudu-i |
| 13:02.17 | nsadmin | truth is... sudu is not normally installed in a debian, but can be. root pw is set as usual. |
| 13:02.24 | Zylvain | hello |
| 13:02.34 | Zylvain | can anyone help on how to disable a fn-Fx key ? |
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| 13:02.49 | Zylvain | I tried reattribute in .Xmodmap: keycode 121 = NoSymbol |
| 13:03.00 | oggei | nsadmin: in fact a sane sudo setup isn't that bad |
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| 13:03.03 | Zylvain | and restart X, but the old function (mute volume) is still there... |
| 13:03.06 | nsadmin | disable it or unhook its function? |
| 13:03.29 | Zylvain | unhook the key/function |
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| 13:05.00 | nsadmin | sane sudo setup saucilly still sets sarong's sapsucker's singing sorbo slink... |
| 13:05.20 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: I tried with debian and ftp was damn fast but samba was slow |
| 13:05.38 | gordonjcp | yeah |
| 13:05.46 | gordonjcp | you shouldn't really use root |
| 13:05.57 | nsadmin | oggei: I don't doubt it... but for myself (for example) I'm pretty good with the shell, having run as root constantly my first coupla years of linux |
| 13:06.15 | gordonjcp | we have sudo now, logging in as root should have been consigned to history decades ago |
| 13:07.02 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: that's the opposit of what was happening on windows |
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| 13:07.20 | gordonjcp | samba is horrible |
| 13:07.25 | gordonjcp | well, more to the point SMB is horrible |
| 13:07.40 | nsadmin | you mean the protocol |
| 13:07.47 | gordonjcp | yes |
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| 13:08.37 | gordonjcp | it originated in DECNet, but was kind of grafted onto Windows |
| 13:08.49 | gordonjcp | it's great if you're using VMS |
| 13:10.08 | paradoxmonkey | gordonjcp: I know smb/cifs is not the best thing around. I have trouble to get my ftp lan transfers to not drop in speed. And as it is t |
| 13:10.32 | gordonjcp | paradoxmonkey: can you use scp? |
| 13:11.02 | gordonjcp | anyway in this day and age we should be using cheap effective SANs with clusterable filesystems |
| 13:11.07 | paradoxmonkey | gordonjcp: right now samba is faster then ftp. Samba is pushing about 30-45MB/s while FTP drops to 10-20MB/s after a while |
| 13:11.22 | gordonjcp | paradoxmonkey: that's pretty odd, FTP is fast to begin with? |
| 13:11.31 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: try nfs |
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| 13:12.36 | paradoxmonkey | gordonjcp: and that on win7, on debian (same machine) ftp is 60MB/s and samba is 10MB/s |
| 13:12.59 | paradoxmonkey | d1b: nfs is a pain to setup on windows |
| 13:13.10 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: windows is a pain to use. |
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| 13:14.33 | Zylvain | anyone knows about unhook a fn key with .Xmodmap (or such a conf file) ? |
| 13:15.18 | paradoxmonkey | d1b: it might be so, but I dunno why FTP is !=good on windows |
| 13:15.26 | gordonjcp | paradoxmonkey: I don't know much about Windows, I've only ever really seen Windows XP and only fairly recently at that |
| 13:16.30 | paradoxmonkey | nfs is the fastest protocol? |
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| 13:17.01 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: your issue is not about protocol overhead |
| 13:17.28 | paradoxmonkey | valdyn: then what could it be? |
| 13:18.03 | d1b | windows.... |
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| 13:18.41 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: your lame router? |
| 13:19.14 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: i dont really have any info i could work with, and im not an expert at this issue in the first place |
| 13:19.17 | woland | is cd1 enough for an install with network utilities? i.e. ifconfig etc? |
| 13:19.40 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: protocol overhead however amounts to at most a few percentage points, not what youre seeing |
| 13:19.59 | paradoxmonkey | valdyn: my so called lame router is runnin debian, and btw debian ftp againts my fileserver works good |
| 13:20.40 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, sorry i was afk for a while |
| 13:21.22 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: use a different ftp client on windows |
| 13:21.31 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: run iperf and see |
| 13:21.35 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: no problem |
| 13:21.46 | d1b | windows 7 has smb2 which is nice apparently. |
| 13:21.54 | paradoxmonkey | valdyn: already tried that |
| 13:22.04 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: which client(s) did you try? |
| 13:22.16 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: the client switch is useless if both use the same backend... |
| 13:22.30 | paradoxmonkey | d1b: iperf win --> debian = 700mbit/s |
| 13:22.58 | paradoxmonkey | valdyn: I tried fillezilla and smartftp |
| 13:23.20 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: that could both use the same backend, i wouldnt know |
| 13:23.21 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you can use putty for ftp also |
| 13:23.36 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: id try firefox since you probably already have that, and ie |
| 13:23.36 | Malmis | gaah.. i get sick on this.. everytime i reboot debian it sets up resolvconf and networking without problems, but when trying to ping something, it's no nameserver setup, so i need to run /etc/init.d/networking restart to restart the network and then i have a nameserver in resolv.conf..... |
| 13:23.39 | Malmis | why is that? |
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| 13:23.45 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: iperf with the use of a file as the sending target gets? |
| 13:24.15 | valdyn | Malmis: show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:25.31 | Malmis | http://tux.snusk.nu/slask/interfaces |
| 13:25.41 | paradoxmonkey | d1b: no memory to memory |
| 13:25.52 | Malmis | also i cannot set any metric, always get error |
| 13:26.06 | Malmis | "operation not supported" |
| 13:26.29 | Malmis | or "NETLINK: Packet too small or truncated! 32!=16!=256" |
| 13:26.36 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: k. other thing is to use http i guess. |
| 13:26.40 | valdyn | Malmis: i see nowhere in that file you are specifying to get any nameserver |
| 13:26.43 | d1b | but what ftp server are you using? |
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| 13:27.08 | Malmis | valdyn hm ok, but why wouldn't it get that from dhcp?! |
| 13:27.16 | valdyn | Malmis: err, nm, i found it, silly me |
| 13:27.22 | valdyn | post-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules |
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| 13:27.36 | valdyn | Malmis: what does that do? |
| 13:27.42 | Malmis | sets back my iptables |
| 13:27.43 | paradoxmonkey | 1d1: currently proftpd before that vsftpd |
| 13:27.49 | valdyn | Malmis: yes, i know that, but what exactly |
| 13:28.06 | valdyn | Malmis: can your dhcp even work properly without that action? |
| 13:28.18 | valdyn | Malmis: i would try replacing post-up with pre-up |
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| 13:29.36 | d1b | k. |
| 13:29.51 | Malmis | valdyn i could test if it work.. |
| 13:29.59 | valdyn | Malmis: sure, go ahead |
| 13:31.33 | paradoxmonkey | Well atleast now I know that it's not a server problem |
| 13:31.56 | paradoxmonkey | Does samba in lenny support smb2? |
| 13:32.10 | Malmis | valdyn, no same problem |
| 13:32.25 | Malmis | resolv.conf is still empty |
| 13:34.06 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: i doubt it. |
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| 13:36.12 | d1b | http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Windows7 |
| 13:36.22 | Malmis | valdyn i also had some problem with netenv, don't really know what's best or whats the different between running netenv or resolvconf because entenv sets another symlink to resolv.conf if i run that |
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| 13:38.03 | Malmis | erh.. seems like i fixed it.. before resolvconf started from rcS.d and also networking did, so i removed the symlink from there because it was also running from rc2.d .. |
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| 13:40.28 | valdyn | Malmis: how the hell did you break rc links? |
| 13:40.43 | Malmis | but now i still have the problem with metric, i would really like to set metric 10 to eth0 and metric 30 to eth2, because i have 2 different networks connected and both with internet access, but eth0 is the main internet access that works much faster... but something makes programs use eth2 more.. :/ |
| 13:40.57 | Malmis | valdyn well.. i'm running sid |
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| 13:41.19 | paradoxmonkey | I've tried on another computer running win7, and both ftp and smb had good speed - though that machine has only 100mbit nic |
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| 13:41.47 | daffidity | hi. I have a problem with the dependencies of rhythmbox and lastfm. Installing rhythmbox gets me libgpod4 and removes libgpod4-nogtk which lastfm depends on. Aptitude tells me that lastfm conflicts with libgpod4 |
| 13:41.54 | daffidity | I am running testing |
| 13:42.31 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, might be related to the slow start algorithms in win7 on some proto's when Gbit connections are used |
| 13:43.29 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you can switch them off |
| 13:44.05 | nsadmin | daffidity: either not all the required packages are available on the mirrors, or you have a mixed system or mixed sources.list |
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| 13:45.23 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: do you know how, google just returns result about user with slow booting |
| 13:45.32 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, technet |
| 13:45.35 | daffidity | nsadmin : My sources.list contains just the minimum. http://pastebin.com/d13aec970 |
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| 13:49.09 | Malmis | argh this is so f..ing stupid.. directly after bootup it works to ping both ipv4 an ipv6 adresses with external ip on eth0, but then when trying to ping local ip on eth2 it also works, but then trying again to ping external ip's with eth0 it doesn't work anymore |
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| 13:58.08 | oggei | daffidity: you have to put also stable respositories, as testing tends not to be sufficient |
| 13:58.25 | daffidity | okies |
| 13:58.30 | daffidity | thank you |
| 13:58.31 | oggei | (eg. something that haven't a new upstream in testing, thus is currently only available in stable) |
| 13:59.03 | oggei | also, no testing security updates anymore |
| 13:59.42 | daffidity | oggei: been fiddling around with it and gave up on rhythmbox. So I should include the stable repos and security updates for stable? |
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| 14:00.11 | oggei | yeah, as a rule of thumb include everything that is "before" the branch you choose |
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| 14:00.32 | oggei | so testing -> stable ,sid -> testing, stable and so on |
| 14:00.32 | themill | eep! please don't recommend that people try to mix releases. It almost always ends in tears. |
| 14:00.53 | oggei | please note i'm not recommending to mix release, as mixing release is usually a forward thing |
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| 14:01.16 | oggei | if you have testing you also have to put stable in, otherwise things won't work (as daffidity case) |
| 14:01.27 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 14:01.31 | abrotman | that's just *wrong* |
| 14:01.57 | dutchfish | mumbles about backports |
| 14:02.22 | oggei | if you want to install something new in your testing distro, as daffidity have (see his sources.list) and that something new depends on something that is only available in stable |
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| 14:02.44 | daffidity | people. I just have 2 packages conflicting here. they are both in testing. I dont see how including stable will help me |
| 14:02.47 | oggei | then i can't understand how backports or other sage stuff can help, mixing is using a stable with pieces from testing, or sid |
| 14:03.01 | oggei | daffidity already stick on testing |
| 14:03.33 | oggei | but i'm interested in your point as maybe i'll not break boxes in future ;) |
| 14:03.50 | themill | oggei: nothing in squeeze or sid should depend on packages that are only in lenny. |
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| 14:04.35 | oggei | themill: it tends to be very hard to make an example right now but i'm faced this more than once |
| 14:05.03 | themill | oggei: that would most definitely be release critical bugs and should be reported as such. |
| 14:05.04 | oggei | maybe is a process bug, but i seen |
| 14:06.15 | oggei | i ever seen that as a normal side effect flow: if no new upstreams, then only stable repo, but something else new that depends arrive in testing |
| 14:06.44 | oggei | i'll then reflect on my mistakes. |
| 14:07.11 | oggei | (but still thinking that's not mixing distro, as a stable using do configuring also testing/sid repo) |
| 14:07.54 | daffidity | abrotman: are there really no more security updates for testing? |
| 14:08.03 | themill | !testing security |
| 14:08.03 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
| 14:08.07 | abrotman | not currently .. there are a few, but not a lot of them |
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| 14:08.31 | abrotman | http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
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| 14:11.20 | themill | abrotman: the only valid package in that is the kernel+headers |
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| 14:11.38 | abrotman | a few .. a couple .. what's the diff :) |
| 14:12.09 | albech | is there something special about domUs vs. dom0 when creating password less login with public keys? I can log into my debian dom0 just fine but with the same configuration it wont allow me into the domUs?? |
| 14:12.41 | themill | stew: testing-security contains a pile of stale packages including packages that have actually been removed from testing altogether (kvm). Isn't that supposed to get automagically cleaned up now? |
| 14:12.43 | daffidity | themill: thank you. |
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| 14:14.06 | dutchfish | albech, not, unless some iptable rules mess it up |
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| 14:14.43 | albech | dutchfish, i dont.. then i just have to do a little more research.. i must be missing something |
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| 14:15.08 | albech | weird it is working on my dom0 though |
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| 14:15.36 | dutchfish | albech, what debian versions for dom0 and domU ? |
| 14:16.02 | nsadmin | your dom0s have access to your net card hardware... if you want your domUs to, you probably need a bridge |
| 14:16.22 | nsadmin | that is if you want your domUs on the net |
| 14:16.46 | albech | dutchfish, 5.0.3 |
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| 14:17.07 | dutchfish | albech, and we are talking xen 2.6.18 here? |
| 14:17.08 | unkmar | rants |
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| 14:17.37 | unkmar | Was going to do a bug report but that was confusing. |
| 14:17.59 | Hans_Henrik | the topic says to "/msg bots NOT people", but when i do that, i just get "The nickname âbotsâ does not exist." :o |
| 14:18.21 | oggei | try to message people |
| 14:18.34 | dutchfish | Hans_Henrik, you can msg dpkg for info |
| 14:18.58 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 14:19.04 | Hans_Henrik | oggei: almost same response, "The nickname âpeopleâ does not exist." |
| 14:19.08 | albech | dutchfish, yes |
| 14:19.10 | unkmar | xterm doesn't refresh properly. In fact, this session is an ssh to a remote system. |
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| 14:19.34 | dutchfish | albech, then you likely want iptable forwarding rules in dom0 |
| 14:19.38 | unkmar | I have it running in screen, and visible on another laptop beside me. |
| 14:20.01 | unkmar | occassionaly I can see the updates on the other laptop as I type here but not see them in THIS xterm. |
| 14:20.03 | albech | dutchfish, i see.. let me look at that |
| 14:20.08 | albech | dutchfish, thanks |
| 14:20.13 | dutchfish | albech, yw |
| 14:20.40 | unkmar | that is just one of my frustrations with this install. |
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| 14:21.10 | unkmar | the chooses of wallpapers that come with debian are wonderful. Pretty blue and the flower is nice to. |
| 14:21.17 | unkmar | s/to/too/ |
| 14:21.53 | Malmis | well could someone please help me setting metric for network devices working? |
| 14:22.05 | Malmis | ifmetric eth0 10 doesn't work |
| 14:23.13 | bvk | how can i include bash into an initrd image ? |
| 14:23.20 | bvk | is that possible? |
| 14:23.23 | unkmar | help me !!! I've lost my marbles and don't know where to look for them. :P |
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| 14:26.56 | dutchfish | bvk, http://www.novell.com/communities/node/1842/run+bash+scripts+pxe+menu |
| 14:29.10 | bvk | dutchfish: thanks |
| 14:30.55 | dutchfish | bvk, yw |
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| 14:34.42 | unkmar | takes a flying leap. Regular leaps are just so boring. |
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| 14:36.57 | deadbeef | gello guys excuseme, is there any package or command that automatically configures the framebuffer with the settings i need? |
| 14:37.03 | deadbeef | without editing menu.lst manually |
| 14:37.11 | deadbeef | (i'm using a console-only system) |
| 14:38.02 | macrobat_ | for setting scrollback and such, i think you have to recompile the kernel |
| 14:38.25 | deadbeef | aw |
| 14:38.36 | deadbeef | (ps. i'm on Sid) |
| 14:38.59 | macrobat_ | you want kms? |
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| 14:40.08 | deadbeef | i was just reading about it |
| 14:40.09 | deadbeef | thanks |
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| 14:41.47 | liable_ | you can edit grub when it starts and append vga=ask, but to do it permanently, yes, you have to edit menu.lst |
| 14:41.54 | liable_ | grr |
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| 14:43.11 | Dannny | Hi guys |
| 14:43.25 | macrobat_ | i like kms, instant tty change is nice. i dont have it on debian, though |
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| 14:44.31 | jelly-home | instant tty change? |
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| 14:45.17 | jelly-home | sudo chvt 1 0,00s user 0,00s system 0% cpu 0,969 total |
| 14:45.28 | jelly-home | not that instant here |
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| 14:46.26 | codrus | see? X just crashed |
| 14:46.44 | macrobat_ | codrus: you need a framebuffer, X is evil :) |
| 14:46.54 | macrobat_ | nevermind, sry |
| 14:47.31 | niklaswe | does someone has any ide about this problem... I using xymon and monitoring some proccess on a host, it works.. but it larsm on other host about some process doesn't running... And i only have this proccess on the host i monitoring,. |
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| 14:50.43 | paradoxmonkey | I've tried with a ramdisk on win7 and ftp speed was good. Maybe windows handles it's own copying more efficent? |
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| 14:51.37 | themill | paradoxmonkey: wrong channel? |
| 14:51.57 | macrobat_ | niklaswe: i cant make sense out of that question |
| 14:52.58 | paradoxmonkey | Sorry that question was for some people a time ago, maybe they went off |
| 14:53.59 | paradoxmonkey | We were talkin about how my ftp lan speed was slower then samba |
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| 14:58.32 | nsadmin | these speeds are sorta unrelated... you would add whatever i/o delays samba has to the time it takes to get packets across |
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| 15:00.59 | niklaswe | macrobat_: i will try again then =) |
| 15:01.39 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: it wasn't me you were talking to, was it? |
| 15:03.18 | niklaswe | macrobat_: I monitoring some proccess on host A, but xymon tyring to monitoring them on host B too, And i have only specifiy to monitoring them on host A, But they Larming on host B to.. |
| 15:03.32 | nsadmin | wait, you're right, they are comparable |
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| 15:06.36 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey, yeah; I didn't quite catch "ftp" |
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| 15:09.29 | krzysz00 | hey guys, in what package is the configure question about Xorg and Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ? I think i put the wrong answer for that and would like to fix it, |
| 15:10.27 | abrotman | you want to enable it ? |
| 15:11.22 | krzysz00 | yes |
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| 15:14.12 | Zer | Howdy. I am using libpam-tmpdir, and have a question: I need to change users (from an init.d script)... is there a way to get it to use the new user's tmpdir? Presently it just appears to erase it. |
| 15:15.29 | krzysz00 | how do i reconfigure xorg for Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? |
| 15:16.05 | themill | !dontzap |
| 15:16.06 | dpkg | To disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace in Lenny and Etch, place Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5). Squeeze users: server zapping is not enabled by default. To enable, use your desktop's Keyboard Preferences application (e.g. gnome-control-center, kcontrol), or use "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" to enable for the current session. |
| 15:18.45 | fluxw0rm | Will someone please confirm stability/security using ext4 on your debian system being the same, if not more then ext3? I'm doing a net-install and thinking about upgrading from ext3 to version 4. |
| 15:18.54 | zorrolero | hey, whom should i inform to solve that issue? -> http://paste.debian.net/56858/ |
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| 15:21.21 | Zer | zorrolero you might want to change the source you are using |
| 15:21.45 | themill | zorrolero: what architecture? |
| 15:21.47 | Zer | since clearly the one you are using does not exist anymore :) |
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| 15:22.43 | zorrolero | Zer: right, i could. but that doesnt inform the responsible person(s) about this error. |
| 15:23.10 | Zer | Oh I see |
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| 15:23.50 | zorrolero | themill: i386 |
| 15:24.01 | themill | zorrolero: then that looks like your mirror is in the middle of updating at the moment -- try again in a bit. |
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| 15:24.15 | themill | and "Welcome to sid(TM)" |
| 15:25.23 | zorrolero | themill: yep, thx. |
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| 15:29.41 | zorrolero | themill: wondering why the information for aptitude about new packages isn't populated _after_ the finish of the upload |
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| 15:30.37 | Zer | Question: I'm using a PAM module that gives users individual $TMPDIR, libpam-tmpdir. I'd like it to act when a sudo is done as well, but it doesn't appear to work. I've put 'session optional pam_tmpdir.so', but nothing in /var/log/auth.log and it still doesn't seem to work. Any idea? |
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| 15:33.35 | macrobat_ | fluxw0rm: ext4 got more stable and slower in 2.6.32 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2632_fs&num=1 |
| 15:33.55 | macrobat_ | "better data integrity on writes but at a significant performance cost" |
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| 15:38.18 | Zer | Alternatively, if there is a way to simulate an actual login (as opposed to just switching user) such that I can run a program as that user (right now I am using sudo -u), that would solve my problem as well |
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| 15:40.53 | karme | is there a kfreebsd-amd64/squeeze install cd? (can only find sid) |
| 15:40.58 | fluxw0rm | Ah, informative link, thank you macrobat_ :) |
| 15:41.07 | fluxw0rm | Looks like ext3 comes out on top. |
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| 15:47.10 | macrobat_ | most of the time |
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| 15:51.48 | jelly-home | fluxw0rm: I've seen hard-to-debug corruptions with ext4 (used on a smtp/antispam server) and had to fall back to ext3. |
| 15:51.53 | abrotman | karme: there's a kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:52.12 | abrotman | jelly-home: admit it .. it was the admin! |
| 15:52.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: it was their choice of ext4, I'll give you that much |
| 15:52.54 | abrotman | i was kidding |
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| 15:53.04 | jelly-home | orly! |
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| 15:55.18 | karme | abrotman: thanks - will try |
| 15:55.48 | abrotman | !tell karme about kfreebsd |
| 15:56.10 | fluxw0rm | jelly-home: yeah, bugzilla seems to list quite a bit of ext4 bugs. |
| 15:56.18 | fluxw0rm | perhaps I'll just stay on ext3 for now. |
| 15:57.26 | jelly-home | the kernel bugzilla? It lists a lot of bugs for everything... |
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| 16:00.56 | orioni | hi there , how can i parse the output of ssh2_connect ? |
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| 16:06.43 | setuid | I have to rebuild my laptop (daughter dropped it, crashing both hard drives). I'm running Ubuntu now on here, but I'm thinking of jumping back to Debian. Having current updates is important (I do all of my OSS development with this laptop). Should I stick with Ubuntu, or go back to Debian? |
| 16:07.20 | setuid | ...and that was not a trolling question, just curious of the nature of current updates vs. community support vs. hardware support, etc. |
| 16:07.21 | themill | setuid: you're in #debian... do you think we're likely to recommend anything other than Debian? |
| 16:08.14 | setuid | themill, There's a good amount of people here who contribute to both communities |
| 16:08.26 | setuid | So yes, I would think someone would recommend whatever is the best option for a laptop for dev work. |
| 16:08.51 | setuid | I used to run Debian for about 9 years, and jumped to Ubuntu only because my video card wasn't supported by the Debian distros, and I needed the full resolution (1920x1200) |
| 16:09.17 | setuid | If video support in Debian has come back up to snuff, I'll jump over. |
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| 16:10.52 | neoice | could be a nonfree issue |
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| 16:11.33 | neoice | i know ive had to install the linux-firmware-nonfree or whatever a few times to get random hardware working |
| 16:11.48 | setuid | True. I'm no stranger to unscrewing dpkg/apt problems, I've done plenty in the past... and I can build debs to augment what isn't available, but working video is important ;) |
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| 16:13.01 | neoice | i dont trust ubuntu because ive never had a working system after standard updates. |
| 16:13.23 | jsubl2 | gnome on squeeze seems to be slow any ideas on how to speed it up |
| 16:14.01 | neoice | whereas i can take a 32bit etch machine, rsync it to a 64bit vm and update to sid without any issues. |
| 16:14.14 | setuid | neoice, Ok, given that, should I just install 5.0.3 and work with that, or just jump straight to unstable? |
| 16:14.51 | neoice | id say it depends on your use condition. you sound like you have the experience |
| 16:15.21 | setuid | Right now, I need to back up everything rsync can successfully read, wipe the whole kit, and start over. :( |
| 16:15.24 | neoice | occasionally, large sets of packages will block or youll need to rollback a version |
| 16:15.38 | setuid | My Drobo also decided to eat 1.2TB of my data, by refusing to boot the disk pack that has been in it for the last 1+ years. |
| 16:15.45 | neoice | but on the whole, ive never had problems with unstable |
| 16:15.55 | setuid | Data is on the disks, but the device refuses to hand the block-device over to Linux, so I can't get at the data. |
| 16:16.00 | themill | setuid: you can't just straight to unstable anyway, and the testing installer is frequently broken so you'd quite possibly need to start with stable anyway. Remember that for development work, there's no point in using the newest libraries all the time because they're unlikely to be on the boxes where you plan to install these programs. |
| 16:16.28 | neoice | i wouldnt install it on a server, but i run it on my laptop |
| 16:16.39 | setuid | themill, It's more a matter of "What's coming into distros next?" (like the backwards-incompatible changes in udev) |
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| 16:16.57 | setuid | themill, I'm the guy behind pilot-link, so changes in kernel, usb, udev, etc. are important to me, BEFORE they hit users |
| 16:17.27 | neoice | i think its a nice balance of bleeding-edge and actually being useful |
| 16:17.41 | setuid | Unstable? Or testing? |
| 16:17.58 | neoice | if i recall, you cant run pure unstable |
| 16:18.03 | setuid | 'sid' used to be my favorite flavor, until things in X became completely unfixable |
| 16:18.04 | eatnumber1 | I have two nfs mounts in my fstab. One is not mounting on boot. Here's my fstab: http://pastebin.com/f6e3ca091 the one that isn't mounting is /users |
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| 16:18.15 | neoice | you can do testing or testing+unstable |
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| 16:18.56 | setuid | Ok, I'll start with lenny and add unstable to sources and see how that fares |
| 16:19.16 | setuid | Does anyone remember the pain in switching from libc5 to libc6, and egcs to gcc-3? |
| 16:19.19 | setuid | THOSE were painful days |
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| 16:19.38 | neoice | theres also sidux, which i know little about but have seen recommended on reddit.com frequently |
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| 16:19.56 | neoice | heh, i just did gcc3 to gcc4 on gentoo hardened |
| 16:20.02 | setuid | I'd rather stay close and pure to the distro... those one-off distros kind of irk me |
| 16:20.20 | neoice | that didnt take all night... *checks compile* |
| 16:20.30 | setuid | neoice, 4.1? or 4.4? |
| 16:20.51 | setuid | I maintain about 1,200 OSS apps internally at my work, with a huge automation system we've built (and are open sourcing soon) |
| 16:20.53 | eatnumber1 | neoice: clearly, you don't have a cluster of 10 I7 machines to distcc your compiles to |
| 16:20.58 | neoice | 4.3.4 i think |
| 16:21.22 | setuid | And the pain in jumping between ABIs is hard. Now that we've got 8,000 cores of Nehalem coming in a month, everyone wants gcc-4.4 RHEL5 compatible ABI in everything we've built |
| 16:21.30 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 16:21.31 | neoice | eatnumber1: nope. i do have one i7 and i wub it |
| 16:22.11 | setuid | wonders what distcc + ccache would do on those 8000 cores. Hrm... might speed up the trading app builds. |
| 16:22.56 | setuid | it's funny, the performance of gcc-3 and gcc-4.1-4.3 on Nehalem is HORRIBLE. 4.4 is the only one with the Nehalem optimizations, and it apparently FLIES. |
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| 16:23.17 | superlinux | hi all |
| 16:23.36 | neoice | greetings |
| 16:23.44 | superlinux | I cannot see a wmv file on my 64bit platform. |
| 16:24.23 | setuid | ls it? |
| 16:24.23 | neoice | see as in watch? |
| 16:24.24 | superlinux | I noticed that the 64bit is a problem to some codec |
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| 16:24.24 | superlinux | i can just hear the video |
| 16:24.40 | superlinux | neoice, yes as in watch it |
| 16:24.50 | eatnumber1 | any help for my problem? |
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| 16:24.54 | superlinux | sorry.. the word was off my thought |
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| 16:25.24 | superlinux | and I cannot see a compiled mplayer for 32 bit |
| 16:25.37 | neoice | being a proprietary format, you may be totally out of luck |
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| 16:27.11 | CargolSS | text newsreader? |
| 16:27.37 | CargolSS | for noobs:) |
| 16:28.01 | superlinux | neoice, is there a way to reformat the wmv to mpeg? |
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| 16:28.15 | superlinux | i just dont care about quality here |
| 16:28.25 | neoice | superlinux: a quick google recommends debian-multimedia |
| 16:28.33 | superlinux | i know |
| 16:28.33 | neoice | they might have codecs for it |
| 16:29.10 | superlinux | but now i think it's better if i reformated the files as avi or mgeg |
| 16:29.12 | superlinux | but now i think it's better if i reformated the files as avi or mpeg |
| 16:29.22 | zorrolero | themill: i'm still getting the 404.( |
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| 16:29.51 | neoice | again, being proprietary, you might have issues transcoding |
| 16:29.53 | themill | zorrolero: perhaps try a different mirror then. |
| 16:29.59 | neoice | and would still need codecs |
| 16:30.01 | superlinux | ok |
| 16:30.06 | zorrolero | ok |
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| 16:33.03 | jsubl2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:34.49 | p01 | guys, i tried to install python 2.6 but aptitude said http://pastie.org/780888 |
| 16:35.05 | p01 | debian squeeze 5.0.3 |
| 16:35.20 | themill | p01: python2.6 is not in lenny. |
| 16:35.23 | p01 | any ways to install it? |
| 16:35.24 | setuid | I thought 5.0.3 is lenny |
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| 16:35.26 | themill | !python2.6 |
| 16:35.43 | themill | !python 2.6 |
| 16:35.43 | dpkg | methinks python 2.6 is a work in progress. Changes to the underlying python module layout makes for a lot of work to get everything to work nicely with this version. Status of the transition at http://tiny.pl/hqwjz. Packages for python 2.6 are available from <experimental> and not supported by #debian. |
| 16:35.51 | themill | dpkg, stupid bot |
| 16:35.52 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 16:36.27 | themill | hmm... that's out of date as of today.... |
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| 16:37.28 | d1b | !python3 |
| 16:37.36 | themill | ha! in your dreams.... |
| 16:37.40 | d1b | !python 3 |
| 16:37.56 | d1b | dpkg: you are slow |
| 16:37.57 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 16:38.41 | d1b | apt: you are slow |
| 16:38.42 | apt | d1b: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:38.52 | d1b | mmm. |
| 16:39.01 | themill | sends d1b off to play with the bots in a /msg |
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| 16:39.42 | themill | dpkg, no python 2.6 is a work in progress. Changes to the underlying python module layout makes for a lot of work to get everything to work nicely with this version. The python2.6 package is now available in sid for further testing but not yet integrated into the Debian module's structure. Around 450 packages need to be binNMUd and python2.4 needs to be removed before python 2.6 can become the default python in squeeze. |
| 16:39.42 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 16:39.44 | anewbie | hi there once i ask here about cpu pipeline viewer and one guy tell me that this is impossible |
| 16:39.52 | anewbie | but today i found that image |
| 16:39.55 | anewbie | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cmpware1/figure3.JPG |
| 16:40.05 | anewbie | is there a Debian alternative for tool like that ? |
| 16:41.23 | anewbie | i am not verry advanced in the asm but from what i view i can tell that this tool display the current asm instruction if i'm wrong i will be glad some one to fix me (sorry) for the bad english |
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| 16:42.46 | setuid | Looks more like SPU than ASm |
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| 16:45.10 | eatnumber1 | the first nfs entry in my /etc/fstab is always failing on boot. doesn't matter what the entry is. how do I fix it? |
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| 16:50.02 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 16:50.05 | DelphiWorld | i installed PPTPD |
| 16:50.19 | DelphiWorld | i configured it, but the client see error 619 while connecting |
| 16:50.20 | DelphiWorld | why? |
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| 16:52.45 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: pptpd |
| 16:52.46 | dpkg | PoPToP is a <PPTP> server for Linux, packaged for Debian as pptpd. http://www.poptop.org/ #pptp on irc.freenode.net. See also <mppe>. |
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| 16:54.28 | artagnon | Why do we email the control server and request server? Can't we have a simple web interface on bugs.debian.org? |
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| 16:57.47 | themill | artagnon: simple web interface for what? |
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| 16:59.06 | artagnon | themill: reportbug is alright for reporting bugs. Web interface for "control" actions like tagging, closing, repoening etc. |
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| 17:00.18 | themill | artagnon: "bts" from the devscripts package might be what you're looking for. But yes, that could be handy. |
| 17:01.56 | artagnon | themill: Ah, thanks. Looks like devscripts-el will make my life a LOT easier :) |
| 17:02.05 | themill | :) |
| 17:02.32 | artagnon | actually, screw web interfaces. Who needs them when we have Emacs? :) |
| 17:03.31 | Samaseon | hello world |
| 17:03.36 | artagnon | also, is there a way to ask the bug tracker not to respond (confirm) to me by email everytime I make even a minor change? I only want to know when it's not successful. |
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| 17:08.51 | Samaseon | farewell cruel world |
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| 17:11.15 | pif | hi, is there log where I can see all the times when a machine has been restarted? |
| 17:11.46 | AimHere | type 'last' |
| 17:12.15 | pngwn | and pipe it to more or less |
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| 17:12.25 | pif | thx, where does it get its info? |
| 17:12.29 | kc8pxy | i have a dileemna. i'm trying to mount a rootfs.gz loopback, and not only does gzip say it's not a gzip format, but none of the other compressions tools i've tried like it either, and i can't seem to mount it as is. ideas? |
| 17:12.38 | AimHere | pif, /etc/lastlog |
| 17:12.47 | AimHere | But that's not text-readable |
| 17:12.53 | AimHere | Sorry /var/log/lastlog |
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| 17:13.02 | pif | ok |
| 17:13.23 | oggei | kc8pxy: try file <file>, anyway maybe is cramfs |
| 17:13.44 | AimHere | You can probably read old logs, if you have any, using some command line option. 'man last' for details |
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| 17:31.00 | olspookishmagus | how do I set the default Gnome sound device? |
| 17:31.35 | cahoot | tricky question |
| 17:32.09 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: the safest bet (IMO) is to give the wanted card index 0 |
| 17:32.24 | olspookishmagus | give that to it, where? |
| 17:32.38 | olspookishmagus | just can't tell what runs here in first level |
| 17:32.46 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-c |
| 17:32.47 | olspookishmagus | pulseaudio alsa... |
| 17:32.51 | cahoot | base.conf |
| 17:33.04 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: you use PA? |
| 17:33.15 | olspookishmagus | cahoot: of course not |
| 17:33.29 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf then |
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| 17:33.42 | olspookishmagus | well... there's only an oss-compat.conf there |
| 17:33.57 | olspookishmagus | so I guess I'll purge everything oss related and I'll go on alsa |
| 17:34.20 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: what version of debian? |
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| 17:34.51 | olspookishmagus | squeeze/sid |
| 17:35.38 | olspookishmagus | hold on... installing alsa :) |
| 17:35.45 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 17:36.47 | olspookishmagus | which package now holds the `alsaconf' utility? |
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| 17:36.56 | cahoot | it's obsolete |
| 17:37.10 | cahoot | for now ;) |
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| 17:37.48 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: you want alsa-utils too unless already there |
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| 17:39.41 | AimHere | That's where alsaconf used to be. |
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| 17:39.51 | cahoot | memories |
| 17:40.27 | AimHere | A debian system util that just Made Stuff Work, No Questions Asked, No Config Files Edited |
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| 17:41.07 | cahoot | AimHere: never seen the use for it in sqeeze or sid |
| 17:42.09 | AimHere | I did miss it when I last installed lenny |
| 17:42.15 | AimHere | (I think it was lenny) |
| 17:42.21 | themill | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 17:42.47 | AimHere | When you're in the habit of 'Sound doesn't work? Run alsaconf' then it's a bit jarring when it's not there |
| 17:43.37 | cahoot | bad habits die hard |
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| 17:45.41 | olspookishmagus | I installed alsa |
| 17:45.47 | olspookishmagus | I uncommented the line saying: |
| 17:45.56 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: you want alsa-utils too |
| 17:46.05 | olspookishmagus | # Keep snd-pcsp from beeing loaded as first soundcard |
| 17:46.05 | olspookishmagus | # options snd-pcsp index=-2 |
| 17:46.16 | olspookishmagus | but still it plays everything from... pc speaker... |
| 17:46.33 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: try as root : alsa force-reload |
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| 17:47.48 | olspookishmagus | cahoot: no luck, not with reload, not with force-reload |
| 17:48.03 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: give index 0 to the card |
| 17:48.10 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: give index 0 to the cards module |
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| 17:48.28 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: like option hda-intel index=0 |
| 17:48.32 | cahoot | options |
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| 17:49.07 | cahoot | (the snd- prefix is obsolete too IIRC) |
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| 17:50.12 | niriven | Hello, i am wondering how i would install debian if the install cd's do not come with wpa_supplicant? I need to install wirelessly. |
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| 17:52.02 | olspookishmagus | cahoot: how do I see which of all these options is my sound card; |
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| 17:52.28 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: if you don't know check lspci -nn |
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| 17:53.08 | cahoot | olspookishmagus: or possibly simpler cat /proc/asound/modules |
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| 17:53.25 | olspookishmagus | right |
| 17:53.53 | olspookishmagus | /proc/asound/cards |
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| 17:56.16 | macman_ | hey all abrotman if you are there .. in alpine im trying to select multiple message and flag them as !N as read .. do you know how to do this ? |
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| 17:57.56 | macman_ | brb |
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| 17:58.39 | icebrain | do ; |
| 17:58.59 | icebrain | then you can select them using a certain criteria |
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| 17:59.57 | icebrain | macman_: and if you want to select a specific message, do : |
| 18:00.27 | macman_ | yes i normally press ; let me try : .. icebrain do you use alpine ? |
| 18:00.52 | icebrain | macman_: yes, I started using it a few weeks ago |
| 18:01.19 | macman_ | icebrain: nice i love it :D |
| 18:01.54 | macman_ | icebrain: so i checked all the ones i wanted right .. then i did a *!N .. the flags are still there |
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| 18:03.43 | macman_ | icebrain: side not if you don't mind .. why did you start using alpine ? i liked it cause of the console feel etc .. |
| 18:03.44 | superlinux | hi all |
| 18:03.55 | icebrain | macman_: sorry, before using *!N you have to use a |
| 18:04.19 | superlinux | how can force apt-get to download for me from the i386 instead of amd64? |
| 18:04.19 | macman_ | hmm.. let me try |
| 18:04.54 | icebrain | macman_: yeah, me too; I was trying to find a nice cli email client to replace thunderbird, and alpine is nice; but I plan on trying other clients in the future |
| 18:06.04 | macman_ | thanks for the a icebrain :P where did you learn that so quick ? |
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| 18:06.31 | llutz | icebrain: give mutt a chance |
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| 18:07.17 | icebrain | macman_: actually, I'm not sure if it wasn't abrotman that told me about that specific command :) but anyway, I'm far from experienced, and since there's not much documentation, I just press buttons and try it out :P |
| 18:07.35 | macman_ | lol .. yea i didn't press anything cause i don't want to mess it up |
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| 18:08.43 | icebrain | llutz: maybe in the future; the nice thing about alpine over mutt is the support for newsgroups |
| 18:10.04 | icebrain | macman_: meh, what's the worst thing that can happen? in my case, all the mail is kept at the server anyway... worst case I have to make a copy of the original conf files |
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| 18:11.09 | superlinux | guys.. I am on an amd64 installation. I want to download from the i368 packages, without re-installing the system. how? |
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| 18:12.32 | llutz | icebrain: one task, one tool. slrn for news :) |
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| 18:13.35 | macman_ | pfft .. mutt is complicated |
| 18:13.44 | macman_ | i have 3 accounts working in alpine symless |
| 18:13.50 | azeem_ | symless? |
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| 18:14.27 | macman_ | however you spell it .. i have to have irssi spell check |
| 18:14.40 | macman_ | seamlessly* ? |
| 18:14.44 | azeem_ | ah |
| 18:15.02 | azeem_ | mutt isn't very multi-account friendly, at least not out-of-the-box |
| 18:15.09 | azeem_ | I manage fine using 3 accounts |
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| 18:15.36 | macman_ | azeem_: but how long did it take you to get it to work .. i would like to use mutt but it is intimdating and down right complicated |
| 18:15.38 | superlinux | azeem_, can you please guide me? |
| 18:15.41 | azeem_ | though; at least most of the time; but I always send mail via the same server via SMTP AUTH, which accepts mail even with a different From: header |
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| 18:16.24 | macman_ | azeem_: also i know mutt dosen't send mail yo uhave to use msmtp or something else |
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| 18:16.52 | macman_ | icebrain: you on the alpine mailing list ? |
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| 18:17.26 | azeem_ | macman_: sure, right |
| 18:18.52 | macman_ | azeem_: if i could get it setup i would use it .. but it got me pulling hairs out of my head |
| 18:18.56 | macman_ | :P |
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| 18:19.17 | DelphiWorld | how do i purge a package? |
| 18:19.19 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: purge |
| 18:19.20 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 18:19.36 | radoe_ | -op |
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| 18:21.41 | _Vi | apt-get remove gij-4.3 --fix-missing -> "404" -> "Unable to correct missing packages" -> "E: Aborting install"? Why I can't remove a package? |
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| 18:22.44 | BW^- | i need a tool to rotate my mysql binlogs. i.e., when /var/log/mysql/ is more than 500MB, then remove all oldest files until this is not the case anymore. |
| 18:22.50 | BW^- | i can put it in crontab. what's a good tool to do this? |
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| 18:23.19 | BW^- | logrotate aha *checking |
| 18:23.40 | themill | BW^-: binlogs are disabled by default in debian |
| 18:23.56 | BW^- | themill: aha. well on my machine they exist anyhow. |
| 18:24.04 | BW^- | so i need to use logrotate to make it remove old logs, right? |
| 18:24.25 | themill | BW^-: you might be happy to disable them though, see /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 18:26.25 | BW^- | themill: I see. |
| 18:26.57 | BW^- | themill: it doesn't work for my machine |
| 18:27.14 | BW^- | that solution tells me to rely on mysql's expire_logs_days setting. i've set it to expire_logs_days = 2 since long over here. |
| 18:27.22 | BW^- | i need a strictly megabyte-based solution here. |
| 18:27.58 | BW^- | i.e. that counts megabytes |
| 18:31.55 | BW^- | hm i could use a shellscript for this, i.e. give me the filenames of all files in /var/log/mysql/ that are above 500MB, in descending order of date, and rm `` them. |
| 18:32.15 | superlinux | guys!! please! i am begging you! how can I download through apt-get from i396 instead from amd64, if I am on amd64 already? |
| 18:32.20 | groton | anyone could explain me how to step trace the execution of my program in libstdc++6? what i actually get is that although i compiled my program with -g (using gcc4.3) i get all the calls to stdc++6 things just skipped |
| 18:33.12 | BW^- | groton: run strace --help or man strace |
| 18:33.30 | groton | BW^-, i want to step trace in the code though |
| 18:34.15 | BW^- | groton: aha. gdb ? |
| 18:34.19 | BW^- | you could ask on #c++ . |
| 18:34.27 | groton | BW^-, yes, i am using gdb, ok |
| 18:34.34 | BW^- | themill,*: do you have any suggestions on how to solve? |
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| 18:34.52 | BW^- | groton: i don't do a lot of c++. probably gdb should work. ask others also. |
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| 18:52.52 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 19:08.27 | karme | wasn't there a simple one liner for ssh multi-hop without ssh agent forwarding? |
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| 19:19.16 | dwq | Can I split gedit into two columns? Like I want 2 tabs open and they should be open in the same window at the same time next to eachother |
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| 19:28.01 | peleg | Hey. I am trying to burn data dvd using gnomebaker, and I keep getting ":-( unable to INQUIRY: Input/output error" -- do you know what can be the cause? |
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| 19:36.11 | olspookishmagus | I am still having trouble trying to change my alsa/asound default card from pcsp to SB Live!... any help will be appreciated |
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| 19:39.38 | dwq | olspookishmagus: you could disable the motherboard card in BIOS |
| 19:40.20 | AndyAll | Hello I have /root/pub/start.sh which starts server hld_run, how can I restart that start.sh process(?) |
| 19:40.20 | olspookishmagus | dwq: it'a already disabled |
| 19:40.33 | olspookishmagus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.11 | peleg | Actually, I have the same issue with growisofs |
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| 19:49.00 | peleg | Do you know at least if it's a hardware failure or software failure? |
| 19:49.50 | _Vi | I have access to local debian mirror, but it's incomplete (a lot of 404 after "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"). How to calculate the minimum (by size) set of things I should fetch from internet to allow at least partial update? |
| 19:50.21 | peleg | well, dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/scd0 gives me the same error! |
| 19:51.13 | peleg | dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd gives the same too. |
| 19:52.11 | peleg | maybe my dvd is not mounted well? |
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| 19:56.39 | peleg | lshw -class disk finds my dvd drive. |
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| 19:57.26 | dbbolton | i am installing debian on a brand new hard drive for the first time, and i've been asked which partition table type to use. however, the installation manual doesn't seem to mention what the different types (like amiga, bsd, msdos) are for. how can i decide? |
| 19:57.44 | Alister | Hello |
| 19:58.27 | dbbolton | the "default" seems to be "msdos" |
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| 19:59.26 | alabd | Hello , when will next stable debian release ? |
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| 19:59.37 | ali3n | !b-e |
| 19:59.39 | dpkg | build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 20:02.15 | peleg | Anyone? It's quite a major issue... I just can't use the drive at all... |
| 20:03.23 | _Vi | peleg, Try debugging: strace, kernel code... |
| 20:04.02 | peleg | _Vi, well, I am not sure exactly what/how should I do it. strace ____? |
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| 20:04.50 | _Vi | peleg, strace will show you which syscall fails. You will find a driver that sends failure status. |
| 20:05.15 | _Vi | _Vi, So you may look for bugs, try earlier or latest versions of the driver. |
| 20:05.20 | peleg | _Vi, but I have to give it some parameters... |
| 20:05.43 | peleg | _Vi, well, the drive worked perfectly until quite recently... nothing has changed, really. |
| 20:06.03 | _Vi | peleg, Does it work for reading? |
| 20:06.25 | peleg | _Vi, well, I don't know. I should look for a written dvd somewhere here to check this... moment |
| 20:07.10 | _Vi | peleg, If reading also doesn't work, check if booting from this drive works. If booting also stopped working then it is Hardware/BIOS error. |
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| 20:07.52 | peleg | _Vi, well, it looks like it does not work either. weird... How can I try booting from this drive? |
| 20:08.10 | _Vi | peleg, You need bootable disk. |
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| 20:08.32 | peleg | like debian's installation? Well, surely I don't have that here... |
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| 20:08.40 | _Vi | peleg, Do you have some LiveCD like Ubuntu, Knoppix or WinPE (there are many of them). |
| 20:09.10 | peleg | not at all. I am not even at home (Though, I don't think I have them at home as well) |
| 20:09.28 | _Vi | peleg, Do you have some big bunch of old disks with packs of software? Probably some of them are bootable. |
| 20:09.34 | peleg | but I've used this drive a lot. It is a new issue. Do you believe restarting might help? |
| 20:09.50 | peleg | _Vi, no, no... I am not that kind of person :) |
| 20:10.09 | _Vi | peleg, Yes, try restarting. |
| 20:10.32 | peleg | _Vi, thanks. Hopefully I'll be back soon. |
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| 20:12.37 | ruben23 | filepeter: you here..? |
| 20:12.51 | _Vi | There are many config files that can have "qqq.conf.d" directory with parts manageable by package managers. Can I rename a file inside it to something to make it ignored? |
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| 20:16.08 | SJr|nx | How can I figure out what is on my disk at certain bytes |
| 20:16.34 | SJr|nx | I just ran dd_rescue and it says there were some errors at 715156068.0k |
| 20:16.36 | SJr|nx | so I want to know what's there |
| 20:16.37 | alabd | Hello , when will next stable debian release |
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| 20:17.42 | cahoot | !wwsr |
| 20:17.42 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
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| 20:21.23 | _Vi | SJr|nx, Probably using some FS-dependent debugging tools? |
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| 20:22.28 | SJr|nx | yes I aware that the class of my problem would require some FS-dependant debugging tools? |
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| 20:24.30 | _Vi | SJr|nx, What FS? |
| 20:24.40 | SJr|nx | ext3 or so |
| 20:24.47 | SJr|nx | one of the ext's |
| 20:25.07 | SJr|nx | Um to make this a little harder, this is a 1TB hard disk, and on it is a 320 GB image of another hard disk :) |
| 20:25.17 | SJr|nx | that also has ext3 |
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| 20:28.36 | bododo | hi folks! :) |
| 20:28.43 | bododo | I did a bad thing :( |
| 20:29.23 | bododo | I downloaded xcb and compiled it and installed it on /usr so libraries are now installed in /usr/lib |
| 20:29.41 | bododo | THE problem now is you guess: Nothing works :( |
| 20:29.52 | _Vi | bododo, The question is "how to revert it"? |
| 20:30.05 | bododo | I have this error: symbol lookup error |
| 20:30.15 | bododo | _Vi: exactly! please :) |
| 20:30.49 | _Vi | bododo, Has it substituted some dpkg-managed libraries? |
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| 20:31.28 | _Vi | bododo, Firstly you probably should "make uninstall" them from /usr/lib |
| 20:31.29 | bododo | _Vi: dunno honnestly but all I know is that it's an X set of libraries |
| 20:31.56 | ali3n | so my debian desktop deciced to do read-only file system :( |
| 20:32.01 | bododo | _Vi: well, another stupid error is that after that I installed them in /usr/local |
| 20:32.02 | ali3n | cant write no nothing |
| 20:32.40 | _Vi | bododo, Then you should find what package is it: "apt-file search /usr/lib/libqqqq.so" |
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| 20:33.07 | _Vi | bododo, And try "dpkg --reconfigure that_package" or something like that. Or remove and install again it. |
| 20:33.23 | bododo | thanks _vi I'll try that |
| 20:34.00 | _Vi | ali3n, It's not convenient when you often install, upgrade, remove and otherwise play with software. |
| 20:35.29 | bododo | _Vi: hum... I don't have apt-file :/ |
| 20:35.34 | bododo | should I install it? |
| 20:35.53 | _Vi | bododo, Yes, you may install and "apt-file update". Also you may just guess what package is it. |
| 20:36.11 | _Vi | bododo, "apt-file" is thing that finds package that provides specific file. |
| 20:36.28 | jmarsden | bododo: dpkg -S /path/to/filename should also work, without needing apt-file to be installed first |
| 20:36.46 | jmarsden | apt-file is generally more useful when the file concerned is NOT already on your machine. |
| 20:36.46 | bododo | yes, I understand thanks. I guess I found it via google it's libxcb-xlib |
| 20:37.33 | bododo | it's libxcb-xlib0 |
| 20:38.07 | bododo | so I guess apt-get install --reinstall libxcb-xlib0 would do it? |
| 20:38.42 | _Vi | bododo, Try it. |
| 20:38.59 | bododo | I did. still same pb :( |
| 20:40.01 | _Vi | bododo, What error? |
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| 20:41.00 | bododo | well the same before reinstalling it:symbol lookup error |
| 20:41.18 | bododo | vim: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0: undefined symbol: _xcb_lock_io |
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| 20:43.32 | _Vi | bododo, Remove /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0 |
| 20:43.43 | bododo | is --reinstall the only option to force the install? |
| 20:43.44 | _Vi | bododo, Find /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0 using "apt-file search". |
| 20:43.50 | bododo | _Vi: you mean rm? |
| 20:43.53 | _Vi | bododo, And reinstall. |
| 20:43.59 | _Vi | bododo, Yes. |
| 20:44.08 | bododo | well, I'll try... |
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| 20:44.15 | bododo | cross fingers for me :) |
| 20:44.19 | _Vi | bododo, Then ensure that /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0 has reappeared. |
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| 20:46.50 | bododo | unbelievable! |
| 20:47.08 | bododo | I deleted the file, reinstalled the package and still have the same error! :( |
| 20:47.17 | bododo | the file reapeared |
| 20:47.27 | bododo | but still the same error :'( |
| 20:47.53 | _Vi | bododo, May be reinstall vim? |
| 20:48.10 | _Vi | bododo, Have you touched vim? |
| 20:48.23 | bododo | that's not only vim's pb actually. I discovered that gimp doesn't and I bet dozen of others won't :( |
| 20:48.27 | bododo | nope |
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| 20:50.00 | bododo | maybe the build created some kind of cache that apt-get is using? |
| 20:50.06 | bododo | I know this sounds stupid |
| 20:51.48 | bododo | what if I just delete everything that starts with libxcb* in /usr/lib? |
| 20:51.49 | _Vi | bododo, Delete both vim and that library from the system, clear dpkg's cache and reinstall "vim" which should pull the library by dependency? |
| 20:52.02 | jmarsden | bododo: You could try aptitude purge libxcb-xlib0 && aptitude install libxcb-lib0 in case in some way there is a configuration issue your funky "compile and install from source" experiments caused? |
| 20:52.41 | bododo | thanks guys, I'll try |
| 20:52.52 | _Vi | jmarsden, "symbol lookup error" can be configuration issue? |
| 20:53.47 | jmarsden | I don't think so, but if --reinstall didn't fix it, something is pretty strange or the reinstall is somehow not running ldconfig, or something like that. |
| 20:54.09 | peleg | _Vi, restarting worked! :) |
| 20:54.12 | peleg | thanks... |
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| 20:56.48 | bododo | how do I clean the cache of dpkg? |
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| 20:59.02 | cahoot | bododo: not thinking of /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 20:59.38 | juju2143 | hello, I have a server I'm sshing in it, ho wto make it show utf-8 characters instad of ?'s? |
| 20:59.40 | SparFux | Hi. Are there any dark gtk themes for debian, i.e. with dark background and light text on it? |
| 21:00.27 | bododo | cahoot: :) I'm totally lost, sorry. This strange pb |
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| 21:01.04 | LtL | bododo: apt-get clean ..may be what you want. man apt-get |
| 21:01.24 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.36 | LtL | even better |
| 21:02.21 | bododo | Well i removed the debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 21:04.33 | Hans_Henrik | can a WPA-pass contain any byte? (like from 0x00 to 0xFF?) |
| 21:04.39 | bododo | still not working :( |
| 21:05.43 | bododo | hum... could this lib be the right one while it uses another one that I overriten with the manual build? |
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| 21:09.59 | bododo | or... |
| 21:10.07 | bododo | I may be a donkey |
| 21:10.33 | bododo | what if this lib is currently in the memory and that vim is using the memory copy? |
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| 21:10.54 | bododo | I'm still in X and this lib is in fact an X lib |
| 21:11.01 | bododo | could it be? |
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| 21:13.11 | oggei | bodobo: no, otherwise for any lib upgrade you should have to reboot machine |
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| 21:14.24 | bododo | oggei: yep, not wrong |
| 21:16.03 | oggei | begin with a complete removal of this, and reinstall relevant packages |
| 21:16.17 | oggei | someone already told you bout make uninstall |
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| 21:16.59 | bododo | oggei: yes |
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| 21:19.04 | bododo | So I did ./configure --prefix=/usr (because I did the same with --prefix=/usr/local after) |
| 21:19.20 | bododo | and then make uninstall and it listed all the files it deleted |
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| 21:19.26 | bododo | from /usr/lib |
| 21:19.51 | oggei | make the same for /usr/local so you'll completely remove stuff |
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| 21:20.39 | bododo | ok |
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| 21:22.38 | bododo | vi IS WORKING GUYS!! (sorry I'm shouting, but I think you understand) :) |
| 21:22.43 | oggei | if you want to compile things by yourself, install maint-guide, it's more easy to mess with packages than not, building simple ones is trivial |
| 21:22.52 | bododo | gimp is working too! inkscape too |
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| 21:23.14 | oggei | that's because /usr/local got "resolved" with an higher priority than /usr iirc |
| 21:23.44 | bododo | oggei: actually I was stupid and even before doing --prefix=/usr I told to myself: boy you're running into troubles |
| 21:23.53 | kleanchap | Is there good eye candy and wallpapers available for Debian? |
| 21:23.58 | bododo | oggei: I think so too! |
| 21:24.04 | oggei | bodobo: you were right :P |
| 21:24.21 | bododo | when I did make uninstall for /usr/local and reinstalled, it worked |
| 21:24.43 | bododo | thank you guys! really :) |
| 21:26.03 | bododo | ok, now, I can safely rebuild to /usr/local right? |
| 21:26.07 | bododo | shouldn't I? |
| 21:26.29 | bododo | maint-guide, I should lookup this |
| 21:26.29 | oggei | if you want to compile stuff and modify your debian, learn the 3-4 commands needed for make trivial packages |
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| 21:26.58 | bododo | well, I actually wanted to install a newer xcb and hack a bit with it |
| 21:26.59 | oggei | it's really easy and it tends to be less destruction prone |
| 21:27.19 | bododo | first I tried with the default (/usr/local) |
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| 21:27.40 | bododo | so you're saying that I should build pkgs ? that's better? |
| 21:28.10 | oggei | better than maintain a separate hierarchy or worst overwrite stuff managed by a pkg manager, yes |
| 21:28.26 | bododo | ok :) I will then! |
| 21:28.47 | bododo | brb |
| 21:29.00 | oggei | it's true that at first configuremakeinstall you will not overwrite anything in usr/local but that tends to be difficult after a couple of compilation |
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| 21:30.21 | Sia-- | any solution for broken package from backports lenny? |
| 21:31.20 | bododo | oggei: what do you mean? |
| 21:33.27 | oggei | my english is very maccaroni eheh, that was just a corollary |
| 21:33.56 | oggei | go make packages and don't worry :P |
| 21:34.42 | bododo | :) |
| 21:35.15 | bododo | your english? You must be kidding me! :) I'm the worst when t comes to english (my 4th language) |
| 21:35.22 | bododo | thanks again oggei :) |
| 21:35.56 | oggei | np ur welcome |
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| 21:37.33 | Hans_Henrik | 1 byte can have 255 different values, 2-bytes can have 65535 different values.. correct? |
| 21:39.00 | LtL | Hans_Henrik: 256 including 0, iirc |
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| 21:44.33 | oggei | hans_henrik: yeah, 1 byte = 2^8 values, 2 bytes = 2^(8*2) values |
| 21:44.54 | oggei | (65536) |
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| 21:50.14 | Sergio` | How do I remove a directory that says Stale NFS file handle? I never actually used NFS. |
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| 21:52.20 | oggei | Sergio`: directory says that to you ? |
| 21:52.30 | Sergio` | oggei: yes. |
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| 21:53.04 | Sergio` | rm -rf directory says that, to be more correct. |
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| 21:55.25 | oggei | is your filesystem intact ? maybe fsck that |
| 21:55.31 | abrotman | macman_: no, i do not |
| 21:56.28 | Sergio` | I'll try, it's in my /home, brb. |
| 21:57.38 | macman_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.29 | buntfalke | which software supports reception of sap-annoucements except videolan/vlc-projects? does anyone know one? |
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| 22:09.09 | Tramp | #debian #debian-overflow :Forwarding to another channel, #debian-overflow: You need to be invited to that channel |
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| 22:09.13 | Tramp | ? |
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| 22:15.18 | pha | hey guys - does anyone have a clue, why I am doing apt-get install phpmyadmin - yet it isn't putting the folder in my /var/www dir? |
| 22:15.25 | pha | any help would be greatly appreciated.. |
| 22:16.02 | Wilthril | pha: i think it's because it uses an alias instead in apache2 |
| 22:16.12 | Wilthril | does http://localhost/phpmyadmin work? |
| 22:16.22 | Section58 | cuase it doesn't put it there |
| 22:16.32 | Section58 | it goes in /usr/share these days |
| 22:16.39 | pha | no.. |
| 22:16.50 | pha | ahh, ok, how do I access it then? |
| 22:17.01 | Section58 | an alais |
| 22:17.18 | Section58 | or install it manually in some website to get the latest version |
| 22:17.25 | Section58 | the one that comes with debian is a bit old tbh |
| 22:17.57 | pha | ahh, ok mate, thank-you very much for your help. |
| 22:18.04 | pha | you too Wilthril. |
| 22:18.26 | Wilthril | you're welcome :) |
| 22:19.40 | Wilthril | ok with an ext3 external hard drive working perfectly for a year this morning I had this in my syslog http://pastebin.com/d2572c2a6 so I did a filesystem check with GParted, then I got multiple corrupted files in lost+found, so I tried to run e2fsck then I got http://pastebin.com/d5064afad what should I do? is there a way to recover my data? |
| 22:19.56 | pha | ahh, cool. |
| 22:20.03 | pha | for future reference guys, just found this. |
| 22:20.04 | pha | cp /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/phpmyadmin |
| 22:20.10 | pha | a2ensite phpmyadmin |
| 22:20.15 | pha | then it works :) |
| 22:20.27 | oggei | there's another couple of more correct way to accomplish |
| 22:20.55 | oggei | 1) include in more articulated config files (maybe vhosts or stuff) 2) include snippet in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 22:21.25 | oggei | maybe phpmyadmin can be accidentally a vhost by himself but in general that's not the case with web apps |
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| 22:28.45 | Tramp | Wilthril: not sure. e2fsck has an option to try with a different superblock (-b) - though I'd try dd(rescue) first to try to make an image of the broken partition |
| 22:29.55 | Wilthril | Tramp: so how do i use dd to make an image of the entire device /dev/sdb1? |
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| 22:30.37 | Wilthril | something like dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/home/wilthril/backup ? |
| 22:30.50 | Wilthril | (i know dd can do damage if misused...) |
| 22:31.15 | Tramp | yes - probably with something like bs=1M for a more reasonable blocksize - though check ddrescue, as I said |
| 22:31.20 | Tramp | !ddrescue |
| 22:31.21 | dpkg | dd_rescue in ddrescue package is a tool to help you to save data from crashed partition. Unlike dd, it will keep going on despite errors. It can also continue interrupted copying process and copy backwards. |
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| 22:32.33 | Tramp | Wilthril: of course you need enough space on the partition where you put the of |
| 22:32.46 | Wilthril | i know that and i have it :) |
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| 22:34.25 | imduffy15 | hey, anybody know of any pxe environments with partimage and nfs support? |
| 22:34.52 | Wilthril | just to be sure, it's perfectly safe to READ with 2 different programs on the hard drive? |
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| 22:35.16 | Wilthril | (i'm running testdisk on it right now...) |
| 22:35.55 | jham | hmm.. how is th choice made, who will be transported to debian-overflow? :) |
| 22:36.07 | Tramp | Wilthril: only reading - yes. Though it may slow down stuff. Additionally, if the disk has a technical problem (and not just a filesystem corruption), the more you do with it the worse the problem may get |
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| 22:36.17 | karlpinc | imduffy15: Is that stuff in the installer? In any case you might be able to build one with debian-live. |
| 22:36.40 | imduffy15 | karlpinc, yeah it is, I was trying that earlier but couldn't seem to get it small enough. |
| 22:37.22 | Wilthril | Tramp: testdisk is running quite well... (but it doesn't find any partition with normal search though...) |
| 22:37.25 | karlpinc | imduffy15: There's the emdebian project. What's "small enough"? Once you boot debian live you can 'aptitude install' anything you want. |
| 22:37.36 | Wilthril | ok i cancelled it i'm doing a ddrescue |
| 22:37.55 | imduffy15 | karlpinc, about 11mb for the init file |
| 22:39.13 | Tramp | Wilthril: after that, I'd retry the fsck with a different superblock. If that fails, you may have to apply a forensic tool (like foremost) on the partition (or the image) and hope for the best. |
| 22:39.18 | karlpinc | imduffy15: I'm not really up on pxeboot details. Why is 11MB the magic number? |
| 22:40.00 | imduffy15 | karlpinc, Needs to be transfered over tftp so needs to be pretty speedy sending something big over that is slow |
| 22:40.22 | Wilthril | Tramp: i'd love to retry fsck with a different superblock, but i don't know which number to type after -v |
| 22:40.24 | Wilthril | -b* |
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| 22:40.32 | karlpinc | imduffy15: There must be stuff on the wiki for diskless booting of a full debian. |
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| 22:41.09 | imduffy15 | okay will check it out thanks karlpinc |
| 22:41.43 | karlpinc | imduffy15: See also the debian reference manual at debian.org. |
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| 22:43.56 | Tramp | Wilthril: man e2fsck makes some suggestions |
| 22:43.56 | KDE4000 | Hey, I'm attempting to install a Xen DomU guest on a Debian Dom0 Host (The error is here: http://pastebin.com/d5fc0beec) and the config file is at http://pastebin.com/d410040c5 |
| 22:44.39 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 22:44.57 | Wilthril | Tramp: the suggestion didn't work... |
| 22:46.07 | zmitya | I have 2 questions: 1) did squeeze have freez in december ? |
| 22:46.37 | zmitya | 2) will it be possible tu dist-upgrade from etch to squeeze ? |
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| 22:48.11 | Wilthril | i'm going crazy... what's wrong with that? http://pastebin.com/d395dc4fd |
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| 22:50.06 | black_13 | what debian version was available circa 2002 |
| 22:50.11 | black_13 | sarge? |
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| 22:50.25 | dimir | Wilthril: maybe it's a broken link? |
| 22:50.34 | Tramp | Wilthril: you did not even read the manpage of ddrescue. It has a different syntax than dd. |
| 22:50.54 | Wilthril | ... why... |
| 22:51.52 | Wilthril | ok just remove *f= |
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| 22:54.07 | black_13 | i have a software that needs g++ to compile how do i get it compile using on debian lenny? |
| 22:54.16 | black_13 | g++ 3.3 |
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| 22:54.37 | raz0 | doesn't work on newer versions of gcc? |
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| 22:55.34 | black_13 | it wont compile |
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| 22:55.46 | black_13 | the software is nurbs++ |
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| 22:57.04 | PyroPhelia | long sotry short I had a raid card die on my on a raid6. I dopped in the new new card, and rebuilt my raid6. however when I type lvscan my lv's are inactive. how do I activate them without restarting? |
| 22:57.12 | Wilthril | mh... is there by any chance a log that kept everything that was output in the terminal? |
| 22:57.13 | PyroPhelia | s/my/me |
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| 22:58.10 | black_13 | ok it did have a package in etch |
| 22:59.46 | jmarsden | black_13: It has been orphaned for a while, see http://bugs.debian.org/414522 |
| 23:00.36 | jmarsden | Wilthril: You can use script to create such logs. But not retroactively :) |
| 23:00.43 | black_13 | jmarsden, so i wonder will even compile? |
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| 23:01.44 | Wilthril | jmarsden: yeah i want to get an information i got yesterday on the terminal... too bad >_< |
| 23:02.18 | jmarsden | black_13: Best bet, if you have the time and knowledge, is to update the old package to use the latest nurbs++ code, fix the new compile bugs, and become the new nurbs++ package maintainer :) |
| 23:02.39 | black_13 | i dont have time for that |
| 23:02.45 | KDE4000 | Hey, I'm attempting to install a Xen DomU guest on a Debian Dom0 Host (The error is here: http://pastebin.com/d5fc0beec) and the config file is at http://pastebin.com/d410040c5 |
| 23:03.05 | jmarsden | black_13: Then just fix the compile bugs and compile the result under the current Lenny GCC. |
| 23:03.19 | black_13 | i dont have the skill for that |
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| 23:03.58 | jmarsden | Then pay someone to do the work for you :) |
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| 23:04.25 | black_13 | that i dont have the money for |
| 23:05.07 | jmarsden | black_13: Without time and without skills and without money => you lack the required resources. Acquire them, and start over. |
| 23:05.33 | black_13 | for now i wold be happy with getting the etch version to work |
| 23:05.42 | black_13 | and have something that could at least be tested |
| 23:05.52 | jmarsden | black_13: OK, run etch in a VM and install it there, perhaps. |
| 23:06.03 | black_13 | that is what i plan to do |
| 23:06.10 | black_13 | its why i am looking for an etch iso |
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| 23:08.22 | black_13 | jmarsden, found! |
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| 23:09.14 | ruben23 | any suer here registered filepeter..? |
| 23:09.27 | ruben23 | any user here called filepeter here..? |
| 23:09.48 | jelly-home | I'm filepeter! |
| 23:09.58 | don_armstrong | ruben23: /who is your friend. |
| 23:10.43 | silidan | i am having difficulties with metacity, its kinda fucked up... how can i find out where the problem is? |
| 23:10.45 | beardy | I'm filepeter too! |
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| 23:10.54 | ruben23 | Filepeter..? |
| 23:11.17 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.19 | beardy | (No, just kidding, Spartacus.) |
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| 23:11.59 | beardy | ruben23: Like said, /who and nickserv are your friends. |
| 23:12.14 | jelly-home | ruben23: srsly though, "/msg nickserv help", and "/msg nickserv info somenickname" |
| 23:12.35 | jmarsden | silidan: Start by describing the issue much more clearly. |
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| 23:12.45 | pingouin | some have an advice about a good newsgroups readers ( gui or console) that *really* save messages on hard drive, and not always download the headers/body of the same old messages ? |
| 23:13.01 | ranix | I'm getting a black screen (not out of range, actually no signal) when starting X. I'm using the m-a a-i way of installing the nvidia module from Sid as explained by the bot. This problem also exists when I use the nvidia binary drivers, although I've removed them from my system. I'm at my wit's edge, can anyone assist |
| 23:13.07 | pingouin | pan is too old and too buggy about that |
| 23:13.40 | ruben23 | beardy:how do i check if he is online..? |
| 23:13.51 | ranix | the weird thing is that X actually starts and X programs can get screens somehow and I can hear their sounds |
| 23:14.10 | abrotman | ruben23: /whois ruben23 .. or whatever user you want to look for |
| 23:14.14 | silidan | jmarsden: well i only have one desktop available and cant ad more... |
| 23:14.32 | pingouin | ranix: what the /var/log/Xorg.0.log says about ? |
| 23:14.42 | silidan | jmarsden: if i use open box all is fine... |
| 23:14.44 | ranix | pingouin: let me pastebinit |
| 23:14.46 | thehurley | hello, is there a more logical way to log info from iptables than outlined here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/force-iptables-to-log-messages-to-a-different-log-file.html |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | ranix: vesa works ? |
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| 23:15.43 | thehurley | i find it a bit odd that they suggest redirecting all debug messages to a file called something like /var/log/iptables.log |
| 23:15.45 | ranix | abrotman: it does indeed |
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| 23:16.07 | pingouin | welcome nvidia drivers :) |
| 23:16.11 | thehurley | what if non iptables events of type debug are logged in /var/log/iptables.log |
| 23:16.13 | darkfuneral | i can't get my document to print in landscape, I've tried specifying -o landscape and -o portrait in the following command: lp -d Brother -P 1-8 -o portrait -o media=letter -o number-up-layout=lrbt -o number-up=4 -o duplex=duplexnotumble -o sides=two-sided-long-edge "$@" |
| 23:16.36 | jmarsden | silidan: Questions here are expected to be: Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. "Having difficulties" is not exactly specific or informative ... nor is "its kind fucked up". So if you can't describe it better than that you are unlikely to get good help here. Harsh reality. |
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| 23:18.02 | abrotman | jmarsden: /msg dpkg sicco ? |
| 23:18.04 | ruben23 | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | ruben23: you also might want to google "irc primer" |
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| 23:18.44 | ranix | pingouin, abrotman: http://pastebin.com/f3d2185e3 is Xorg.0.log |
| 23:18.50 | jmarsden | abrotman: Yes, although sometimes using !tell confuses newcomers so I was trying to avoid doing that to see if it helped. |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | jmarsden: i'm aware .. though sometimes if you tell them to /msg dpkg foo .. they look for visual activity |
| 23:20.19 | abrotman | ranix: that's it ? |
| 23:20.54 | ranix | yep |
| 23:20.55 | ranix | that's it |
| 23:21.05 | ranix | X bloody starts |
| 23:21.09 | ranix | and shows nothing |
| 23:21.15 | abrotman | ranix: it doesn't like your resolution, can't read the monitor |
| 23:21.18 | ranix | it's the most horrible failure I've ever seen out of nvidia |
| 23:21.33 | silidan | jmarsden: yea i thought that might be the case... so: when i use metacity i can only use one desktop and i cant add more, because everytime i hit + to add one in the settings one more pops up and disappears again (gnome) |
| 23:21.41 | ranix | how do I set the resolution? |
| 23:22.32 | pingouin | ranix: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:22.56 | ranix | incidentally when I start X now the entire computer freezes and I get no keyboard input |
| 23:23.19 | ranix | pingouin: that's not helpful because xorg.conf is no longer the way I understand it at all |
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| 23:23.46 | ranix | it makes me very angry that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org functionality has been completely removed |
| 23:24.00 | pingouin | ranix: so, burn a candle in nearest church maybe ? |
| 23:24.10 | streuner__ | lol |
| 23:24.16 | ruben23 | hi guys...how do i mount cifs with windows shared folder so i can copy my debian server file to windows shared folder.. |
| 23:24.34 | abrotman | smbmount |
| 23:24.39 | beardy | Me too. But say that to certain people and they just get pissy. |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | ranix: you can use X -configure .. generate the file, edit as wanted |
| 23:25.05 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | english ? |
| 23:25.15 | ranix | I will try that, abrotman |
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| 23:25.38 | ruben23 | mount -t cifs \\192.168.0.2\sharename mountpoint/ << An example. <-----like this but dont know what is the mount point. |
| 23:26.17 | beardy | ruben23: The mountpoint is the directory on which you mount the share. |
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| 23:26.31 | stew | ruben23: where in your directory tree to you want the files to appear? |
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| 23:26.54 | ruben23 | like on the root directory |
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| 23:27.13 | ruben23 | eve tried this---> mount -t cifs \\192.168.2.27\recordings root/ |
| 23:27.21 | ruben23 | i get mount: mount point root/ does not exist |
| 23:27.40 | beardy | ruben23: You probably want to mount it under /mnt/sharename, /mnt/recordings in that case then. |
| 23:27.57 | Wilthril | ruben23: i suggest making another folder (like /media/share) and mounting to it |
| 23:28.16 | ruben23 | Wilthril: ill be making it on my debian server right..? |
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| 23:28.44 | ruben23 | how do i mount guys the sharenem of windows on my debain server |
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| 23:29.30 | Wilthril | mount -t cifs -o username=wilthril,password=password //192.168.0.180/share /media/share << I have this script that perfectly works |
| 23:29.42 | abrotman | perhaps his kernel doesn't have that ability ? |
| 23:29.50 | Wilthril | and i can browse the share from /media/share |
| 23:29.51 | silidan | does metacity somehow utilize sdl? |
| 23:30.26 | Wilthril | (of course you have to do a "sudo mkdir /media/share" before...) |
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| 23:31.05 | jmarsden | silidan: apt-cache showpkg metacity # should show you its dependencies. |
| 23:31.43 | Wilthril | ok since ddrescue is taking ages i'll go to bed |
| 23:31.45 | Wilthril | see ya :) |
| 23:31.56 | silidan | jmarsden: thanks |
| 23:32.10 | jmarsden | silidan: You're welcome. |
| 23:34.51 | freeone3000 | I've added a new network "card" to my machine. It registers on lspci, but not on ifconfig. How do I re-register my internet devices, as if it was there when I installed the OS? |
| 23:34.58 | ruben23 | Wilthril: the username and pass is in the windows side right..? |
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| 23:35.34 | abrotman | !tell freeone3000 about interfaces |
| 23:35.45 | Wilthril | ruben23: yes the account in windows that can access the files |
| 23:38.08 | ruben23 | Wilthril: thanks goodnight..its just early morning here..:-D |
| 23:39.48 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, thanks. The devices renumbered themselves. |
| 23:40.06 | ruben23 | ow i got no route to host.. |
| 23:40.20 | ruben23 | mount: no toute to host |
| 23:40.22 | abrotman | ruben23: on the linux box, what does 'uname -a' say ? |
| 23:41.32 | ruben23 | Linux Gatewayx 2.6.24-26-server #1 SMP Tue Dec 1 18:26:43 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:41.49 | ruben23 | abrotman: i got that |
| 23:42.11 | abrotman | ruben23: go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 23:53.46 | ali3n | how do you change the premission to allow write access to a dir? |
| 23:54.11 | bigpresh | ali3n: man chmod :) |
| 23:54.28 | bigpresh | ali3n: If you want to allow the owner to write to it, then e.g. chmod u+w dirname |
| 23:54.30 | thehurley | i've added a path for root in /etc/profile, which works fine when i log on as root, but when using sudo as a non-root user, the path is not available in tab completion... any ideas why not? |
| 23:54.38 | Azrael_- | is it possible to send files using netcat but the receiver creates the connection? |
| 23:54.57 | ali3n | isnt it like 666 or something? |
| 23:55.36 | jelly-home | Azrael_-: sure |
| 23:55.44 | Azrael_- | how? |
| 23:56.14 | jmarsden | ali3n: man chmod so you actually learn about it instead of guessing :) |
| 23:56.20 | Azrael_- | normaly i do this: tar cz files | nc dest port; nc -l -p port | tar xz; |
| 23:56.38 | jelly-home | Azrael_-: just like you'd do it it the other way. Make sure you start the listener nc first. |
| 23:56.56 | Azrael_- | hmm, ok |
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| 23:57.11 | ali3n | doesnt say anything about 666 or 777 |
| 23:57.24 | jelly-home | !tell ali3n -about permissions |
| 23:57.50 | jmarsden | ali3n: You have to actually read it. There is a paragraph that starts with "A numeric mode is" .... |
| 23:58.11 | jelly-home | Azrael_-: also, if it looks like it's hung at the end, ctrl-c the source |
| 23:58.34 | Azrael_- | jelly: if this happens append -q 0 to the sender |
| 23:58.47 | Azrael_- | then it works also on gnu-nc |
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| 23:58.58 | jelly-home | doesn't use GNU crap |
| 23:59.04 | ali3n | is it chmod 777 /path/to/di? |
| 23:59.29 | Azrael_- | or was it "non-gnu" dunno any more, at least debian-nc needs it for closing the connection after EOF |
| 23:59.49 | jmarsden | ali3n: Define "it". That's a fairly dangerous thing to do, in general... do you really need to se di's permissions that broadly? |
