| 00:00.12 | jmarsden | !unix lessons |
| 00:00.12 | dpkg | [unix lessons] (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 00:00.25 | jmarsden | ali3n: Note Unix lesson #1 . |
| 00:00.46 | ali3n | thanks its chmod 777 |
| 00:00.52 | ali3n | thats all i freaking needed to know |
| 00:01.38 | jelly-home | well... not if he's trying to fix <ali3n> so my debian desktop deciced to do read-only file system :( |
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| 00:01.41 | tompaw | Hi. |
| 00:02.02 | tompaw | What do I have to change in exim4 default config to make it a smtp open relay for my LAN? |
| 00:02.40 | jelly-home | Azrael_-: ah. netcat (netcat-traditional) didn't have -q before |
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| 00:03.07 | Azrael_- | when i used suse i also didn't have to use it |
| 00:03.24 | tompaw | I have changed the local_interfaces value in one of exim's config files, but it stubbornly only binds to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:04.45 | jmarsden | tompaw: I'm no exim expert, but read /usr/share/exim4/README.Debian for info on the way those configs work in Debian... |
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| 00:05.22 | jelly-home | hands jmarsden a "/doc" to plug into that path |
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| 00:05.50 | tompaw | jmarsden: thx |
| 00:05.58 | jmarsden | accepts the missing four characters gracefully :) |
| 00:06.20 | jmarsden | tompaw: So make that /usr/share/doc/exim4/README.Debian :) |
| 00:06.31 | tompaw | (-: |
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| 00:10.52 | ymas | hello everyone, just a simple sanity check before I compile PHP 5.3 on a production server. Source goes into /usr/local/src, configuration file in /usr/local/etc, binary in /usr/local/share, I'll also use checkinstall -D make install ? |
| 00:11.35 | ranix | I give up on nvidia drivers |
| 00:11.54 | ranix | since I happen to be in silicon valley I am going to find an nvidia driver programmer and tell him his drivers are shit |
| 00:12.15 | jelly-home | your OS is shit, use windows! |
| 00:12.23 | ranix | Does anyone know of a window manager in which you can shrink the desktop to reduce overscan? |
| 00:12.40 | ethanw | ranix: they work ok for me. (Quadro 135M) (20080825) |
| 00:13.15 | ranix | ethanw: this is a 7600gs |
| 00:13.43 | ethanw | ranix: what specifically doesnt work? |
| 00:14.25 | ranix | ethanw: the card outputs nothing (nada squat zilch, literally - not out of range, actually no signal whatever) when using nvidia driver versions 190+ |
| 00:14.43 | ranix | the 174 versions in lenny and squeeze work but have no overscan compensation |
| 00:14.58 | ethanw | ranix: are you using the official installer from nvidia? |
| 00:15.00 | ranix | all I want is to display on my television! |
| 00:15.32 | ranix | ethanw: both the official driver and the squeeze/sid module assistant way have the same issue |
| 00:15.43 | ethanw | hmm |
| 00:16.00 | ranix | I have tried 4 monitors and it is not simply the television with which it acts up |
| 00:16.12 | ranix | I have tried composite, s-video, hdmi, dvi, and vga |
| 00:16.17 | ranix | all have the same issue |
| 00:16.42 | ranix | I have also sacrificed a goat to mephestopheles |
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| 00:16.56 | ethanw | ranix: so its not just the tv-out socket? |
| 00:17.01 | ranix | correct |
| 00:17.10 | jmarsden | ranix: That's your problem... try a bull calf instead of the goat :) |
| 00:17.17 | ranix | blast, I knew it |
| 00:17.21 | ranix | that howto was wrong! |
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| 00:17.32 | ethanw | ranix: i will agree that the nvidia drivers are utter wank |
| 00:17.32 | ranix | but where can I find a bull calf at this time of year |
| 00:17.50 | ethanw | in the supermarket under "veal" |
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| 00:19.27 | NiveusLuna | what's the command/package to make an apt repo? |
| 00:19.56 | ethanw | ranix: have you tried grabbing the nvidia installer and then updating it? maybe this has been fixed, and what you download from nvidia marked as "latest" is RARELY latest |
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| 00:21.04 | ymas | ranix: I've never had an issue with the quadro 135M in my laptop. What is the kernel version you're using? |
| 00:21.08 | ranix | ethanw: nope, the nvidia installer is the most borked |
| 00:21.16 | ranix | ymas: I have tried it with 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 |
| 00:21.46 | ranix | at this point what I would really like is a window manager that can restrict the desktop to a subsection of the screen |
| 00:22.03 | jmarsden | NiveusLuna: mini-dinstall # is one of many options for doing that kind of thing. |
| 00:22.07 | ranix | because the drivers in Lenny are fine except for not supporting overscan compensation |
| 00:22.12 | ranix | the acceleration is fine |
| 00:22.30 | ethanw | ymas: the last time i installed the nvidia drivers on that card it resulted in many hours of headscratching. its also when i found out that latest isnt latest, but i digress |
| 00:22.42 | NiveusLuna | jmarsden: thank you |
| 00:22.45 | darkfuneral | is there a way to extract printing options from a ps/pdf file? |
| 00:22.55 | jmarsden | NiveusLuna: You're welcome |
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| 00:24.17 | ethanw | while im here, anyone know about a2dp support with testing and kde4? the various things ive seen on the bluez site make little sense to me |
| 00:24.32 | ranix | I can't even imagine having to do this stuff as a linux newbie |
| 00:24.56 | ranix | "apt-get install module-assistant build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`" is pretty arcane and that's just the start |
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| 00:25.24 | ethanw | ranix: to be fair, when the nvidia installer works its not *too* painful |
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| 00:27.31 | ranix | I guess the average user would say "this card is broken" after the first 3 hours |
| 00:27.37 | ranix | not spend another 10 on it |
| 00:27.51 | ymas | ranix: do you know for sure that the card is not broken? |
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| 00:28.12 | jmarsden | ranix: Noone forces newbies to grab ultra recent non-free drivers, and as you said, the drivers in Lenny work fine. |
| 00:28.13 | ranix | ymas: fsvo not broken |
| 00:29.11 | ethanw | jmarsden: newbies dont tend to give a shit about non-free drives aslong as their hardware works. for ranix, the old ones do not |
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| 00:29.26 | ethanw | **drivers |
| 00:29.28 | ranix | well they kind of work |
| 00:29.33 | ethanw | true |
| 00:29.34 | ranix | fsvo work |
| 00:29.40 | Arrowmaster | ranix: module-assistant should be all thats needed, it will get build-essential and the headers on its own afaik |
| 00:29.49 | jmarsden | ethanw: I was going by "<ranix> because the drivers in Lenny are fine except for not supporting overscan compensation" |
| 00:30.03 | ethanw | ranix: i find it odd that you get no output at all, do the x logs show anything of interest? |
| 00:30.05 | ranix | I'm just grumpy because of poor driver support by my manufacturer |
| 00:30.28 | ranix | ethanw: the only interesting thing is no significant warnings or errors |
| 00:30.58 | ethanw | ranix: i assume your config is correct? |
| 00:31.10 | ranix | I gave up already! |
| 00:31.14 | ranix | stop trying to drag me back! |
| 00:31.15 | ranix | lol |
| 00:31.21 | ethanw | ranix: ok ;) |
| 00:31.58 | ethanw | ranix: before we go down the route of window managers, does your tv have some obscure option buried in it that lets you tweak overscan? |
| 00:32.17 | ranix | no this tv is cheap |
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| 00:32.32 | ranix | it has no overscan options in the service menu' |
| 00:32.46 | gordonjcp | ranix: they may not be labelled as such |
| 00:32.47 | ethanw | wow that is cheap |
| 00:32.56 | ethanw | gordon has a point |
| 00:33.18 | ranix | gordonjcp: I googled the TV and people are complaining about there not being any |
| 00:33.21 | gordonjcp | you might or might not have an overscan setting that zooms the whole screen |
| 00:33.40 | gordonjcp | but in the service and diags menu you might be able to tweak width and height separately |
| 00:33.47 | gordonjcp | is it CRT or LCD? |
| 00:33.54 | ranix | plasma |
| 00:34.03 | gordonjcp | oh, okay |
| 00:34.04 | ranix | 42" panasonic |
| 00:34.08 | gordonjcp | that's a wee bit trickier |
| 00:34.08 | ranix | it does have hdmi input |
| 00:34.17 | ranix | unfortunately it doesn't have VGA in |
| 00:34.20 | ethanw | ranix: why not use that? does it still overscan? |
| 00:34.25 | ranix | I hear vga does not suffer from overscan |
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| 00:34.47 | ranix | ethanw: yeah it does, low(ish) quality hdtv's aren't actually full hd natively |
| 00:34.53 | jelly-home | ranix: are you complaining about the lack of overscan (black border), or too much of the picture missing? |
| 00:34.55 | ranix | they only support a fraction of HD and then hardware scale |
| 00:35.02 | ranix | jelly-home: too much |
| 00:35.17 | ethanw | ranix: it tends to be the set which suffers from overscan, almost all sets do. a test pattern shows this |
| 00:35.31 | ethanw | ranix: so i imagine vga would be the same |
| 00:36.55 | ranix | whole problem would be avoided if there was like an xset to constrain the desktop to only a fraction of the screen |
| 00:37.01 | ethanw | anyway, i think we are getting sidetracked from ranix's issue too much |
| 00:38.33 | ymas | ranix: have you seen this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79867 |
| 00:38.42 | ethanw | i do remember reading something regarding zoom on a window manager, but i cant remember which, sorry. :( |
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| 00:41.27 | ranix | there's nothing in that thread that is useful, ymas |
| 00:42.23 | jelly-home | ranix: are you using the device's native resolution? Does that driver support xrandr 1.3? |
| 00:42.36 | buzzsaw | i am trying to install lmms but when i do apt-get install lmms i get version 0.3.2 but http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lmms.html says that 0.4.5-1 is the version |
| 00:42.48 | jelly-home | judd: versions lmms |
| 00:42.50 | judd | jelly-home: lmms -- etch: 0.2.1-1.1 lenny: 0.3.2-1 sid: 0.4.5-1 squeeze: 0.4.5-1 |
| 00:43.02 | ranix | wow |
| 00:43.06 | jelly-home | buzzsaw: debian stable has 0.3.2. |
| 00:43.09 | ranix | the old driver is performing the same now |
| 00:43.13 | ranix | fffffff |
| 00:43.34 | buzzsaw | hum, i guess i read it wrong :-) |
| 00:44.43 | buzzsaw | normaly i run on stable is there a way to overide and get the 0.4.5-1? |
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| 00:47.06 | black_13 | jmarsden, an evolutionary dead end |
| 00:48.01 | jelly-home | buzzsaw: you can try backporting the newer version yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:48.41 | buzzsaw | 2 years of OS X makes you linux brain deead ;-) |
| 00:50.16 | jmarsden | black_13: You're calling me an evolutionary dead end? What did I do to deserve this? :) |
| 00:50.24 | black_13 | no not you sir |
| 00:50.29 | black_13 | libnurbs++ |
| 00:50.33 | black_13 | its dead |
| 00:50.50 | h3xis | 8> |
| 00:51.05 | jelly-home | jmarsden: did you procreate yet? |
| 00:51.31 | jmarsden | jelly-home: Two healthy teenagers :) |
| 00:51.57 | jelly-home | well, then the first interpretation is provably wrong |
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| 00:52.36 | jmarsden | black_13: OK. So you'll need to fix the nurbs++ codebase yourself to solve the issue, or find some other library to use that does what you need. |
| 00:52.57 | black_13 | or do it myself |
| 00:53.37 | jmarsden | Sure, although that's probably a lot of work, writing and testing a new library from scratch. |
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| 00:59.43 | edju | Is it possible to install grub2 on lenny? |
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| 01:00.31 | buzzsaw | thanks jelly-home :-) |
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| 01:01.18 | Beyond | so in order to install debian do i need all 5 4.4 gb files or only 1? :s |
| 01:01.56 | ethanw | beyond: that depends |
| 01:02.03 | ethanw | beyond: can you not use netinst? |
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| 01:02.48 | Beyond | i dont has ethernet |
| 01:02.49 | Beyond | D: |
| 01:03.13 | jelly-home | that's an obvious lie |
| 01:03.24 | Beyond | well it's in other room |
| 01:03.40 | ethanw | beyond: in my experience, you only need the first disk image to get a reasonable install, afterwhich you can mop up with aptitude and your current connection |
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| 01:03.59 | ethanw | unless you want something specific |
| 01:04.17 | ethanw | jelly-home: well done watson :P |
| 01:04.28 | Beyond | lol what is considered a reasonable install? |
| 01:04.43 | nsadmin | Beyond: let's just say you have choices |
| 01:05.23 | jelly-home | Beyond: usually the one that lets you install enough stuff to make the wireless work |
| 01:05.59 | Beyond | hmm |
| 01:06.29 | jelly-home | one often requires some non-free firmware for wireless, which is why it's a good idea to have a wired connection when doing an initial installation |
| 01:06.57 | Beyond | i guess i'll just move comp to other room :/ |
| 01:06.58 | Beyond | lol |
| 01:07.27 | ethanw | beyond: would make sense |
| 01:07.37 | ethanw | beyond: fyi, this is whats on dvd 1 |
| 01:07.38 | ethanw | http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=&l=http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/5.0.3/i386/jigdo-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-1.jigdo |
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| 01:08.23 | Beyond | O_O |
| 01:10.07 | ethanw | beyond: but yes, there is usually enough on disk 1 to install a graphical enviroment and get wireless working, unless it needs non-free firmware. |
| 01:11.23 | ethanw | the stuff that lets you use windows drivers for wireless (sometimes, if the sky is the right colour and your house isnt green) is on disk 2 |
| 01:13.52 | Beyond | lol |
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| 01:26.10 | Azrael_- | did somebody use "netconsole"? i get only 2 informational lines and not the whole output of the booting-process even if i set the level to 7. |
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| 01:31.08 | darkfuneral | is there a way to extract printing options from a PDF file? |
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| 01:55.24 | cheako | Hello, I have a question regarding init and lvm(vg). It seams as though during init the vgchange command is called only for a single VG and AFAICT the name of that VG comes from the regex OOT=/dev/mapper/([^-]*)-%. Is there any way to use the FS's UUID in this case? |
| 01:55.34 | cheako | haha. |
| 01:55.45 | cheako | %R |
| 01:55.48 | ravenbird | R is a letter. |
| 01:56.07 | cheako | |
| 01:56.10 | cheako | %O |
| 01:56.12 | ravenbird | cheako: wish I knew |
| 01:56.27 | cheako | Awww. |
| 01:56.44 | cheako | Messed up my Cheer. |
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| 01:57.45 | obiwan_ | great! there's a debian chan |
| 01:57.58 | obiwan_ | please, i need to ask something |
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| 01:58.12 | stew | obiwan_: ask away |
| 02:00.09 | obiwan_ | i use ubuntu, and need to create a gpg dsa key, but ubuntu's gpg won't let me make a single one, it makes twice, a 1024 bit for signatures and a 4096 for files encryption. Could you run gpg --gen-key and tell me if in debian you are offered this option? ((4) ElGamal (sign and encrypt)) ? |
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| 02:01.40 | jelly-home | gpg has been creating separate subkeys for signatures since... a long time ago? |
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| 02:02.03 | obiwan_ | yeah, but i don't want two keys :( |
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| 02:02.21 | jelly-home | why do you care? |
| 02:02.32 | jelly-home | (also, why DSA) |
| 02:02.59 | stew | i didn't think signing with ElGamal made sense |
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| 02:03.12 | cheako | Dosen't gpg have like 1M of options from things like that? |
| 02:03.23 | Microman171 | Hey guys. I have a USB programmer for AVRs. I need root permission to use it, and I would like not to need root permission. I have tried a udev rule, and no success. It was suggested to me that I needed to do something with libusb. |
| 02:03.27 | obiwan_ | i read somewhere that dsa 1024 are weak keys, and should ve avoided, instead to use at least 2048 bits. But i can't tell gpg to make a 2048 for siagnatures and a 4096 for encyrption, and besides, i don't want two keys, my computer is fast enough to encrypt/decrypt keys so i don't care to use one single key, and plus it'll be more secure than using a 2048 one |
| 02:04.06 | jelly-home | obiwan_: just use RSA + RSA |
| 02:04.19 | obiwan_ | it doens't cheako :( i read the _whole_ gpg handbook http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html#AEN26 and didn't find anyone. Read more or less the man too, searching for dsa strings in it, but nothing :( |
| 02:05.03 | obiwan_ | but isn't dsa stronger than rsa jelly-home ? |
| 02:05.08 | jelly-home | obiwan_: nope |
| 02:05.28 | obiwan_ | so rsa > dsa? |
| 02:05.44 | jelly-home | if you don't have a good idea of what you're doing, use the defaults |
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| 02:06.03 | jelly-home | obiwan_: yes. rsa > dsa. |
| 02:06.18 | cheako | doc/DETAILS should have something about chreating keys in batch mode, perhaps there is something in there. |
| 02:06.24 | obiwan_ | i'm not a cryptography expert, but i know enough to choose what i want and what i don't want eheh |
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| 02:06.34 | jelly-home | sure you do. |
| 02:06.40 | obiwan_ | ok then what i need is to make a rsa key |
| 02:06.42 | obiwan_ | but look |
| 02:06.48 | obiwan_ | the only rsa option i get is this |
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| 02:07.05 | obiwan_ | (5)RSA (just sign) |
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| 02:07.18 | jelly-home | Please select what kind of key you want: (1) RSA and RSA (default) (2) DSA and Elgamal (3) DSA (sign only) (4) RSA (sign only) |
| 02:07.21 | obiwan_ | i don't get (sign & encrypt) |
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| 02:07.41 | obiwan_ | so you get one more option than i do |
| 02:07.55 | Microman171 | Anybody used libusb before? |
| 02:07.59 | jelly-home | those are all the options. There's no (5) |
| 02:08.00 | obiwan_ | in ubuntu i get dsa & elgamal, rsa, or dsa |
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| 02:08.37 | obiwan_ | i get (1) dsa & elgamal (default), (2)dsa (only sign) (5) rsa (only sign) xD |
| 02:08.42 | jelly-home | this is gnupg 1.4.10-2 package |
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| 02:08.48 | obiwan_ | i guess each os has its options |
| 02:08.54 | jelly-home | judd: versions gnupg |
| 02:08.55 | judd | jelly-home: gnupg -- etch: 1.4.6-2 lenny: 1.4.9-3 sid: 1.4.10-2 squeeze: 1.4.10-2 |
| 02:08.58 | obiwan_ | let mee see which is mine |
| 02:09.17 | jelly-home | obiwan_: 1, 2 and 5? |
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| 02:09.35 | jpinx-eeepc | I have an external monitor plugged in and I'd like it to have different resolution, orientation etc to the internal one. Any pointers how to do that? |
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| 02:10.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any plans for future releases to feature a live CD environment? |
| 02:10.22 | stew | obiwan_: fwiw, this is the guide that debian's keyring maintainer recommends currently for generating keys: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/48 |
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| 02:10.44 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: the current release featured a live cd environment |
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| 02:10.44 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: see live.debian.net |
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| 02:10.55 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: err http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:11.14 | obiwan_ | yeah jelly-home i get 1, 2, and 5 it's funny hehe. and i got 1.4.9 at karmic |
| 02:11.24 | obiwan_ | ok i'll take a look stew thanks |
| 02:11.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | stew: I have actually downloaded that before but from what i saw there doesnt seem to be a way to install from the live CD release, Am I wrong? |
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| 02:11.42 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: according to the documentation you are wrong |
| 02:12.10 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: http://live.debian.net/manual/html/debian-installer.html |
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| 02:12.45 | obiwan_ | by the way, ubuntu makes me happy, but i heard squeeze works charms, do you think it's stable enough? (yeah , i know it's unstable hehe but... just enough?) |
| 02:12.54 | cheako | obiwan_: Yes, Key-Type: Key-Length: Key-Usage:... more |
| 02:13.12 | obiwan_ | ok cheako it's loading :) |
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| 02:13.34 | jelly-home | stew: uh... that link says "By default, no installar will be included in the Debian Live image. " |
| 02:13.57 | stew | ok |
| 02:14.16 | jelly-home | (and I'm not complaining about the typo) |
| 02:14.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yeah I wish they made one with an install launcher on the desktop or something. Simplify things. |
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| 02:14.32 | cheako | Unattended key generation. |
| 02:15.01 | Tramp | obiwan_: the default changed, apparently in 1.4.10, to RSA/RSA (both 2048) |
| 02:15.04 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: there's a separate netinst installer image if you don't want to do it manually with debootstrap. |
| 02:15.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well i already have the whole debian repo on 5 DVDs so no need for the netinstall really. |
| 02:16.12 | jelly-home | any first cd or dvd image will work |
| 02:16.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: work for what? |
| 02:16.51 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: first dvd _is_ the installer image |
| 02:17.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: Yeah....no live boot though which is exactly what im asking about. |
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| 02:18.08 | jelly-home | correct |
| 02:19.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Its not a deal breaker for me cause aint nothing like Debian. I just wish they had a live image with an installer point and click. |
| 02:19.33 | jelly-home | it's not there yet |
| 02:20.58 | darkfuneral | how do i use cups-pdf |
| 02:22.00 | cheako | obiwan_: I keep hearing this too, but I've yet to hear why squeeze and not lenny. |
| 02:22.02 | cheako | jelly-home: I wonder if there is a copy of debootstrap? |
| 02:22.04 | cheako | The latter DVDs are not necessary. |
| 02:22.06 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: What's the issue with having two DVDs? Stacking one on top of the other and it hardly takes any room at all. |
| 02:22.09 | cheako | I would say that there would also have to be a live image that made effective use of it's space. Perhaps an install DVD that has a vary minimal GUI like the current images do. |
| 02:22.12 | cheako | I don't think anything but a bi-polar approach would serve anyones interests vary well. |
| 02:22.22 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: debian's current official live cd looks more a prototype than a livecd with useful utilities (let alone a decent complete system) |
| 02:24.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: I have no idea what your talking about. What do you mean aboyt stacking DVDs? You lost me. |
| 02:24.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: yeah |
| 02:26.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any OCR apps in Linux? I recently got a Brother multifunction laser printer and kinda wanna test if there is any OCR apps to play with in case i need it later. |
| 02:26.54 | DogBoy | the best one is tesseract LinuxGuy2009 |
| 02:27.09 | DogBoy | but maybe you mean gui |
| 02:27.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | DogBoy: Yeah I GUI would be nice. |
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| 02:27.54 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: The physical space used by one DVD is not something to sneeze at. However the size of two DVDs is the same as one DVD. |
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| 02:29.06 | jelly-home | two sneezes |
| 02:29.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: What in the world are you talking about? |
| 02:29.35 | obiwan_ | cheako: i don't understand "but i've yet to hear".... haha sry , but do you mean, why squeeze and not lenny? i guess cause squeeze has new features, missing in lenny :P |
| 02:29.43 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: There is no added conveyance for having the Live DVD and the Install DVD one in the same. |
| 02:30.07 | simonrvn | wonders what cheako is smoking |
| 02:30.22 | slim_ | hello all,how can i use dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure the whole installed system ? |
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| 02:30.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | simonrvn: Took the words right out of my mouth. lol |
| 02:30.57 | simonrvn | one at a time, and not all do, be my guest |
| 02:31.33 | simonrvn | cheako: you talking physical size of the individual diskcs? |
| 02:31.39 | simonrvn | discs* |
| 02:31.50 | cheako | obiwan_: err, it does? If it did and you were basing your decision on that... Then you sound believable. |
| 02:32.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Some distros have whats called a live CD where you can test before installing. i was just commenting earlier about how it would be nice to have a Debian live CD that includes a simple point and click install launcher. Thats what I was talking about earlier i think we might have lost you on that one. Sorry. |
| 02:33.01 | cheako | simonrvn: Yes. |
| 02:33.33 | simonrvn | cheako: horizontally yes |
| 02:33.39 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: Yes, and you would like to not have to reboot into the installer, because...? |
| 02:34.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: You completely missed the point. Lets move on. |
| 02:34.14 | simonrvn | yes... you still have to boot into the installer |
| 02:34.38 | simonrvn | double click the install launcher, lau... oh yes. i see. |
| 02:34.50 | mischievous | can anyone tell me how to run an X server on another tty? |
| 02:35.00 | simonrvn | startx -- :1 |
| 02:35.04 | cheako | What's the big deal about not having to switch disks and reboot? |
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| 02:36.34 | simonrvn | no biggie for me. it's cute being able to launch the installer from the desktop i guess. the fun wears away quickly. |
| 02:36.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Please just forget I ever mentioned it whatsoever. |
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| 02:37.04 | cheako | I can do that. |
| 02:37.41 | mischievous | simonrvn, is it possible to start just an x server with no session...? |
| 02:37.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:37.58 | cheako | mischievous: X : 1 |
| 02:38.07 | cheako | Err "X :1" |
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| 02:38.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Well to answer your question I dont really see the point of even creating a live CD if you cant install from it easily. Seems really pointless to even bother. |
| 02:38.39 | mischievous | cheako, i tried that, thats what i understood from the manual.. doesnt seem to work :| |
| 02:38.50 | odin_ | does the Debian disc1 (CDROM) always have all the packages for the "base" install ? |
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| 02:39.00 | stew | odin_: yes |
| 02:39.06 | stew | odin_: as does the "netinstall" cd |
| 02:39.07 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: So you don't find any value in the original LiveCDs that didn't ever install? |
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| 02:39.15 | odin_ | stew, great thanks for your reply |
| 02:40.26 | cheako | The potential to recover data from a system with a borked OS? Being able to surf and work with documents while leaving no trace of these activities on the machine you are using? |
| 02:41.38 | cheako | That... and if you use a LiveCD to base your opinion of an OS off of would you not think that maybe you are only seeing a single layer of a seven layer cake? |
| 02:41.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Basically yeah. Seeing as every other live CD distro can be installed from. Unless the Debian live CD is meant to be as a companion to the regular disk images that you actually install from/ |
| 02:42.41 | DogBoy | blah blah blah, it's not a tech support issue LinuxGuy2009 |
| 02:42.52 | cheako | ...In the case of Debian 5 layers(DVDs) |
| 02:42.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: LMAO im by no means a linux newb. i know what a live cd is for and all that. Im just stating an observation that the Debian live CD is missing a basic feature that EVERY other live cd has. |
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| 02:43.15 | pinkisntwell | how can i make NetworkManager stop changing my dns server? |
| 02:43.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | DogBoy: Your point being? |
| 02:43.43 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:43.45 | DogBoy | you're just blathering about some off topic nonsense |
| 02:44.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ummm how to install from the debian live cd isnt really offtopic. |
| 02:44.42 | DogBoy | you're not asking how to install from the live cd |
| 02:45.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | I did earlier and YOU didnt know so move on. |
| 02:45.24 | DogBoy | I'm suggesting that you move on |
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| 02:45.40 | ali3n | !b-e |
| 02:45.41 | dpkg | i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 02:45.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm suggesting that you do the same. |
| 02:46.09 | obiwan_ | cheako: ahah sry, i just thought it had new features :P sry for not answering before but i 'm watching music clips on tv and last ones were very nice hehe |
| 02:46.31 | cheako | LinuxGuy2009: I know, as a long time Linux user you have heard this one also... But does that make it any less true? if every other LiveCD installed applications into any NTFS partition it located... Then Debian would have to do that too? |
| 02:46.36 | simonrvn | LinuxGuy2009: like jelly-home said before, it's still a prototype |
| 02:47.21 | simonrvn | debian does it own thing. sometimes that's good sometimes not. but this is getting OT ;). |
| 02:47.23 | cheako | go-go zen budist monk computer guru. |
| 02:47.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | cheako: Now Im really wondering what your smoking. wow! |
| 02:47.34 | DogBoy | it's besides the point anyway, other distros have it so debian has to have it, nevermind if it makes sense or not |
| 02:47.50 | cheako | ROTFLMAO. |
| 02:48.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | simonrvn: Oh ok so comment about it and then yell that you dont wanna talk about it anymore. I get that. hehe |
| 02:48.25 | simonrvn | yell? |
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| 02:48.53 | cheako | How about them Mets? |
| 02:48.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | So anyways Debian kicks butt. Its working great. |
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| 02:49.11 | simonrvn | it *is* OT, what's your point? this is more meta stuff than support. i'd suggest #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:49.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yeah working good here. |
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| 02:50.44 | cheako | I need technical assistance. My LVM root filesystem's don't mount if I use LABEL or UUID, seams like init* needs to know what VG it's on to function. |
| 02:51.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hmm Kooka says its a ocr app for KDE. Wonder if theres any made from gnome. hmm |
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| 03:00.39 | cheako | ne1 know why initramfs-tools and lvm2 both have a file in ...initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/ the files are vary similar, looks like one was based off the other. Why not fold these changes into just one script? |
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| 03:03.31 | nsadmin | cheako: do each of these files serve their owning packages? |
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| 03:04.33 | cheako | nsadmin: Yes, like lvm2 has "lvm "<the contents of lvm> |
| 03:05.03 | cheako | The logic in both scripts is the same. |
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| 03:05.29 | cheako | lvm2 is 4 lines shorter then lvm. |
| 03:05.37 | nsadmin | so if you factored out the logic, which package would own the file containing the logic? |
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| 03:06.12 | cheako | initramfs-tools or perhaps neither if there is an lvm package. |
| 03:06.28 | nsadmin | judd versions lvm |
| 03:06.28 | judd | nsadmin: lvm -- |
| 03:06.38 | nsadmin | nope |
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| 03:07.47 | cheako | One thing I find strange, lvm(from initramfs-tools) lists lvm2 as a prereqs, that is the one script makes sure the other is called first. |
| 03:07.52 | nsadmin | so the two packages are what, lvm2 and initramfs-tools? |
| 03:08.01 | cheako | Correct. |
| 03:08.42 | nsadmin | if each can be installed without the other, factoring wouldn't get you anywhere since there's not a common destination for the factor |
| 03:09.22 | nsadmin | but this is also assuming that each can be installed without the other |
| 03:09.35 | cheako | initramfs-tools is a dependency of linux-image and lvm2 might well be a dependency of that. |
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| 03:10.06 | cheako | Yes. |
| 03:10.16 | pinkisntwell | how do i change my dns server? networkmanager keeps overwriting it |
| 03:10.20 | cheako | initramfs-tools <--- linux-image <--- lvm2 |
| 03:11.20 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: networkmanager is a bitch for doing this. do you need to set dns manually? |
| 03:11.25 | pinkisntwell | ethanw: yes |
| 03:11.56 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: does this dns address need to change? (i.e. more than one connection) |
| 03:12.05 | cheako | For my project I'm thinking of waxing lvm and making painful changes to lvm2. Perhaps I won't do anything but work within the current restrictive conditions. |
| 03:12.07 | nsadmin | oh, linux-image without a -$(uname -r)? |
| 03:12.13 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: or is it always the same? |
| 03:12.16 | pinkisntwell | ethanw: sorry i don't understand you. why would it need to change? |
| 03:12.33 | pinkisntwell | ethanw: maybe i will change it every not and then but i can restart the network when i do |
| 03:12.39 | nsadmin | judd versions linux-image |
| 03:12.40 | judd | nsadmin: linux-image -- |
| 03:12.42 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: sorry. ok |
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| 03:13.14 | cheako | No, I have a normal package installed for that. |
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| 03:13.20 | pinkisntwell | ethanw: so is it possible? |
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| 03:13.49 | cheako | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686. |
| 03:13.56 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: personally id just edit resolv.conf by hand and then lock networkmanager out of it, but that's the lazy way |
| 03:14.27 | pinkisntwell | ethanw: why is it so hard to change a fucking dns server? |
| 03:14.32 | nsadmin | Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd6 / Depends: module-init-tools, initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | yaird (>= 0.0.13) | linux-initramfs-tool |
| 03:14.33 | pinkisntwell | ethanw: i'm gonna do it that way |
| 03:15.13 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: its because networkmanage is a pile of wank that likes having things its way. If i have to reset the symbolic link ONE more god damned time... |
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| 03:16.04 | nsadmin | ...then it will definitively be shown that absolutely for sure, ice cream has no bones? |
| 03:16.41 | cheako | nsadmin: well, perhaps on the TV sires bones. |
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| 03:17.39 | cheako | The only food related bones I can think of is Wine. |
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| 03:18.13 | cheako | What about fish flavored ice cream? |
| 03:19.23 | cheako | All I nkow is this whole root on LVM is driving me crazy with having vary long path names. |
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| 03:20.23 | cheako | ...and me having to update stuff if I decide to rename the VG. |
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| 03:21.37 | pinkisntwell | ok how the fuck do i make resolv.conf undeletable? i tried removing write permission from root but it's still overwritten |
| 03:21.54 | cheako | pinkisntwell: chattr |
| 03:22.18 | pinkisntwell | cheako: why doesn't chmod work? |
| 03:22.25 | nsadmin | pinkisntwell: or consider a solution involving resolvconf |
| 03:22.43 | cheako | root has evil permissions. |
| 03:22.56 | pinkisntwell | why doesn't chmod work? ls -l shows it's unwriteable |
| 03:23.10 | neoice | pinkisntwell: root can do ANYTHING regardless of file permissions. |
| 03:23.31 | pinkisntwell | well root can't even unmount a file system or run a gui app |
| 03:23.33 | cheako | There are some attributes that root has to reboot to undo. |
| 03:23.43 | neoice | pinkisntwell: wtf are you talking about? |
| 03:23.51 | nsadmin | well not -anything- but most things |
| 03:23.53 | neoice | root cant unmount a filesystem thats ACTIVE because its unsafe. |
| 03:23.57 | cheako | ...or load a clever kernel module. |
| 03:24.06 | neoice | and I run X11 as root, but its generally recommended against |
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| 03:24.24 | neoice | and I'm guessing you could do 'unmount -o force' and it would happily comply |
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| 03:24.28 | pinkisntwell | ok ok how do i make the file undeletable, i'm on the verge of exploding with this networkmanager shit |
| 03:24.34 | neoice | root is the god of the machine |
| 03:24.41 | neoice | try 'chattr +a' |
| 03:24.45 | neoice | that makes the file append only |
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| 03:24.55 | jmarsden | I've not been following all the details of pinkisntwell's resolv.conf isssue, but wouldn't configuring /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf so it supercedes the stuff you are picking up from DHCP with the values you really want in there solve this a lot more elegantly than messing with chattr ? |
| 03:24.59 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Why not purge that application. |
| 03:25.04 | neoice | which root does follow that rule I believe |
| 03:25.07 | neoice | tests |
| 03:25.10 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Also man "chattr" |
| 03:25.18 | pinkisntwell | cheako: purge networkmanager? |
| 03:25.32 | ethanw | jmarsden: ahh yes, that was the non-lazy solution i was searching for |
| 03:25.35 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Yes, just ask dpkg to delete it for you. |
| 03:25.42 | pinkisntwell | cheako: doesn't it have a purpose? also, if i do that, will resolv.conf stop getting overwritten? |
| 03:26.02 | neoice | pinkisntwell: http://pastebin.com/m4c2ef6d0 |
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| 03:26.38 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Yes and Yes. If you are changing resolv.conf I'd imagine changing /etc/network/interfaces is under your ability. |
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| 03:27.01 | neoice | pinkisntwell: I think I walked in a bit late, can you summarize your problem again? |
| 03:27.13 | pinkisntwell | neoice: i want to change my dns servers |
| 03:27.23 | neoice | oh, I'm guessing the DHCP server is pushing DNS servers |
| 03:27.28 | pinkisntwell | neoice: i don't want the ones from dhcp because they're slow as shit |
| 03:27.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any compiled debs of handbrake 0.9.4 anywhere? |
| 03:27.53 | cheako | wow. |
| 03:27.53 | neoice | I havent used networkmanager, but most front-ends should have an option to set static servers |
| 03:28.05 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: yes in the debian-multimedia.org repos |
| 03:28.24 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 03:28.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 03:28.36 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Do you know what DHCP client you are using? pump or dhclient are two possible. |
| 03:28.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: I just looked there and they only seem to have the 0.9.3 release that I already downloaded and installed from there. |
| 03:28.58 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: handbrake-gtk: Installed: (none) Candidate: 0.9.4-0.0 |
| 03:29.13 | pinkisntwell | cheako: dhclient is running so that must be it |
| 03:29.39 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009:thats in the dmm sid repo |
| 03:29.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: Whats that supposed to mean? |
| 03:30.13 | cheako | pinkisntwell: You can edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and either say no DNS servers or say only use these DNS servers. |
| 03:30.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: I'm on Lenny not Sid. |
| 03:30.54 | pinkisntwell | cheako: ok let me try |
| 03:31.03 | ethanw | LinuxGuy2009: cant you build it from source? |
| 03:31.12 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: then you are most likely stuck with 0.9.3 or building 0.9.4 yourself |
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| 03:31.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | ethanw: I SOOO wish I knew how. I tried the other day and I just dont know what Im doing exactly. |
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| 03:31.55 | ethanw | LinuxGuy2009: read the install file? |
| 03:32.28 | pinkisntwell | ok what do i write into that file to make it use my dns servers? |
| 03:32.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | ethanw: Will the install file give directions on how to build the deb package from it? |
| 03:33.07 | pinkisntwell | i can try removing the request domain-name-servers bit |
| 03:33.09 | ethanw | LinuxGuy2009: you shouldnt need a deb. "make install" at the end will install it for you |
| 03:33.14 | pinkisntwell | but how do i add my own servers? |
| 03:33.44 | nsadmin | install resolvconf and add them to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:33.44 | jmarsden | pinkisntwell: man dhclient.conf |
| 03:33.44 | neoice | pinkisntwell: the dhcp config is pretty complex. read the manpage and google |
| 03:33.54 | jmarsden | Try something like prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 03:34.02 | cheako | pinkisntwell: You will have to read about how... I don't allow ppl to call me. |
| 03:34.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | ethanw: Well let me rephrase that... do you know a good source to learn to build debs from source? |
| 03:34.29 | pinkisntwell | cheako: well the manuals are like 100 pages |
| 03:34.30 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009: www.debian.org/devel |
| 03:34.38 | jmarsden | LinuxGuy2009: The Debian New Maintainer Guide |
| 03:35.07 | pinkisntwell | i didn't imagine it's that hard to change a fucking dns server. i'll just leave it as it is, i'd rather deal with slowness than go insane |
| 03:35.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Ill check that out then thank you |
| 03:35.40 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Some day you will learn to skim manuals on your own and you will think back and remember that I was right. |
| 03:36.05 | pinkisntwell | cheako: maybe but until that day i need to get some work done |
| 03:36.15 | jmarsden | pinkisntwell: I provided you a sample config file line and the man page to read... how much more work do other have to do for you? <jmarsden> Try something like prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 03:36.22 | pinkisntwell | cheako: my life does not involve around debian configuration |
| 03:36.26 | pinkisntwell | jmarsden: ok thanks |
| 03:37.07 | nsadmin | pinkisntwell: perhaps you'd like to hire a sysadmin to do that for you? |
| 03:37.52 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Some day some one might take advantage of your methods. |
| 03:38.34 | pinkisntwell | ok i added my servers to prepend |
| 03:38.38 | pinkisntwell | let's see if it works |
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| 03:39.03 | nsadmin | you'll have to restart the dhcp client |
| 03:39.11 | ethanw | LinuxGuy2009: im having a look at handbrake now, theres a build doc in the 0.9.4 tarball under doc/ which you should read if you havent already as I imagine you're still going to need to build the sources before you can assemble a .deb (although I have never built debs before) also people that assume that ubuntu and fedora are the only linux distribs around drive me up the fucking wall |
| 03:39.43 | pinkisntwell | ok it worked |
| 03:39.51 | pinkisntwell | thank allah and vishnu and krishna |
| 03:40.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | ethanw: hehe thank you |
| 03:40.08 | dvs | no cosmic muffin? |
| 03:40.21 | nsadmin | cooookie! |
| 03:41.08 | ethanw | LinuxGuy2009: it seems a simple ./configure->make->make install will build and install for you (assuming nothing goes wrong) but I haven't a clue how to make your dev, sorry |
| 03:41.12 | ethanw | **deb |
| 03:41.51 | pinkisntwell | although it only loaded the first three servers. anyway |
| 03:42.34 | cheako | Aren't there instructions all over the place for building deb(s) from source... If you started with deb sources from else where they just might work with no changes. |
| 03:43.43 | cheako | Thought you can get caught up in version skews where it's just not possible to run the version you want in lenny with out upgrading a list of other packages. |
| 03:43.51 | ethanw | cheako: protip that. LinuxGuy2009: there should be sources as 0.9.4 does exist for sid, try packages.debian.org |
| 03:44.20 | cheako | ethanw: huh, what? |
| 03:45.07 | nsadmin | pinkisntwell: which are the ones the resolver would use... the first three only |
| 03:45.14 | ethanw | cheako: eh? |
| 03:45.45 | pinkisntwell | thanks to everyone for the help |
| 03:46.22 | cheako | protip that? |
| 03:46.35 | ethanw | cheako: i meant that building the debs from source debs (which is what i think you meant) was a good idea |
| 03:46.41 | pinkisntwell | now there's some other problem which has nothing to do with debian... i can never use level3's dns server from here, only opendns, which blocks some websites |
| 03:46.57 | cheako | ahh, right you are. |
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| 03:47.07 | pinkisntwell | it even blocks dailymotion ffs |
| 03:47.26 | craigevil | dmm does have a deb-src for sid so it should be possible to do ssb |
| 03:47.29 | nsadmin | pinkisntwell: maybe you want to run your own caching-only name server |
| 03:47.54 | craigevil | opendns shouldnt be blocking anything unless you set it up to do so |
| 03:47.56 | pinkisntwell | so i either use my university's slow servers (we're talking like 5 seconds to do a lookup) or use opendns which doesn't let me visit dailymotion or some other "female beauty appreciation" websites |
| 03:48.12 | pinkisntwell | craigevil: i can't change the setup because i'm in the university network |
| 03:48.30 | cheako | pinkisntwell: I run dnsmasq but djb makes a good choice and there is always bind. |
| 03:48.35 | pinkisntwell | craigevil: when i try to change my configuration it says my network is already in use, which i don't know what it means |
| 03:48.49 | nsadmin | dnsmasq forwards anyway |
| 03:48.55 | pinkisntwell | cheako: it looks like i'll have to bite the bullet and do that |
| 03:49.01 | ethanw | anyone got any idea why i have to "modprobe -r ssb" "modprobe -r ndiswrapper" and "modprobe ndiswrapper" before my wireless (0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)) will work after a cold boot? |
| 03:49.11 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Google has caching nameservers, public DNS. |
| 03:49.22 | pinkisntwell | cheako: i can't use google's either... |
| 03:49.33 | pinkisntwell | it's 8.8.8.8 right? |
| 03:49.39 | cheako | hmm? |
| 03:49.46 | cheako | Something like that. |
| 03:49.58 | pinkisntwell | how come? university blocking the traffic? do you think it's possible? |
| 03:50.17 | cheako | Ohh, yes. |
| 03:50.24 | ethanw | pinkisntwell: its certain POSSIBLE |
| 03:51.03 | cheako | The UoM when I was there blocked 90% of everything, web, ftp, and games were about all that worked. |
| 03:51.13 | nsadmin | you can: apt-get install bind9 |
| 03:51.28 | nsadmin | and then prepend nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:51.37 | pinkisntwell | i know they limit nntp very heavily, for which i have to use stunnel |
| 03:52.20 | pinkisntwell | how much configuration does bind need? |
| 03:52.25 | cheako | You can use tor as a DNS solution and it will work threw your university's blocking(most likely violating the rules). I discovered the other day that only A records worked via tor. |
| 03:52.33 | nsadmin | none, for caching-only |
| 03:52.40 | pinkisntwell | nsadmin: ok this sounds great |
| 03:52.54 | pinkisntwell | let me try google's dns once again |
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| 03:54.16 | cheako | pinkisntwell: If you can't connect to DNS servers then you likely can't do your own recursion. In that case bind is perhaps the worst program for you to run. |
| 03:54.25 | Rezagrats | When i boot up, my display isn't showing anything. i recently removed my graphics card but that shouldn't stop the motherboard from showing something using on-board graphics. any ideas? |
| 03:54.28 | pinkisntwell | cheako: why? |
| 03:54.52 | pinkisntwell | cheako: what do you mean my own recursion? |
| 03:54.53 | nsadmin | right, if your univ blocks port 53 you're moreorless screwed |
| 03:55.11 | pinkisntwell | opendns still works. and their own dns works |
| 03:55.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok I downloaded the source from handbrake website. Extracted to desktop. terminal, cd to source folder. ./configure. Done. "make" runs for a while and downloads source packages for stuff like ffmpeg etc and goes for a while and then ends with "make: *** [contrib/ffmpeg/.stamp.build] Error 2. This normal should I just ignore that and try the "checkinstall -D"? |
| 03:55.44 | mentor | Is it wise to try and use the interpretation of sieve scripts as the sole MDA on a system? |
| 03:55.58 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Caching servers have one of two choices. 1. Forward requests to another cache. 2. Do DNS recursion(the act of looking up DNS directly I guess). |
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| 03:56.17 | mentor | Recurse on the root servers |
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| 03:56.39 | nsadmin | which the bind9 package should have a list of |
| 03:56.50 | mentor | db.root |
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| 03:56.52 | craigevil | pinkisntwell: you can always try tunneling everything through ssh, takes abit of work but it gets around the schools dns serves |
| 03:57.01 | mentor | Which will be loaded as a hint zone |
| 03:57.06 | cheako | From a network stand point they look the same, so if your not able to use DNS servers, then your likely not able to use DNS servers for recurse lookups. |
| 03:57.25 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: no if make fails you are most likely missing some -dev packages |
| 03:57.29 | nsadmin | how do hint zones work?\ |
| 03:58.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: Wonder how I figure out whats missing then hmm. |
| 03:58.13 | pinkisntwell | so can i use bind or not after all? i'm confused |
| 03:58.29 | mentor | nsadmin: It's to denote the fact that it's a hint, not that the local server is authoritative or even answers queries for that information |
| 03:58.31 | ethanw | Rezagrats: i would suggest that your xorg.conf is no longer correct. do you get ANY output during bootup? |
| 03:58.44 | nsadmin | well try it and see... |
| 03:59.07 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), autotools-dev, libtool, libgtkhtml3.14-dev, libhal-storage-dev, intltool, autoconf, yasm (>= 0.7.0), libbz2-dev, zlib1g-dev |
| 03:59.08 | cheako | nsadmin: It's like the forward setup to a caching server, except it's a large list of top level nameservers. |
| 03:59.26 | pinkisntwell | so bind contacts the root servers? how does that work actually? are the ip addresses for the root servers hard-coded? they never change? |
| 03:59.34 | nsadmin | I know what the list is :) |
| 03:59.59 | nsadmin | just I didn't know what hinting was for |
| 04:00.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: k Ill check synaptic to see if I have all of em. 1 min |
| 04:00.13 | cheako | pinkisntwell: That's where root hint comes into play, you can update your hints periodically(whenever they stop working ;) |
| 04:00.17 | nsadmin | pinkisntwell: or goes into its own cache |
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| 04:01.19 | Rezagrats | Ethanw, nothing shows up. at all. as in: when the boot-up logo is supposed to show, it doesn't. right now i'm going to re-install the GPU and see if bios can be changed from the card to on-board. |
| 04:01.37 | cheako | pinkisntwell: If you can't do DNS lookups on servers other then your local DNS servers, then doing recursive lookups(that will use multiple DNS servers that change all the time) it's just not going to work any better. |
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| 04:01.51 | ethanw | Rezagrats: ok, that would have been my next suggestion anyway |
| 04:02.09 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Bind is not a vary goo choice if you can't do recursive lookups. |
| 04:02.44 | nsadmin | do we know he can't do that? |
| 04:02.54 | cheako | pinkisntwell: I'd use djb DNS if you feel you need a DNS server or you could try using dnsmasq. |
| 04:03.07 | pinkisntwell | i know that i can use the dhcp servers and opendns. that's it. level3 and google fail |
| 04:03.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: Are those general list of dev tools or did you get those from the source package documentation or something? |
| 04:03.10 | ethanw | LinuxGuy2009: try installing ffmpeg from synaptics as well. it seems that make died while building ffmpeg, so if its already there it should skip installing it by itself |
| 04:03.20 | cheako | nsadmin: Seams like he can't use google's public dns servers... I'd say that means port 53 out is being blocked. |
| 04:03.38 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: http://trac.handbrake.fr/browser/trunk/pkg/linux/debian/control?rev=2577 |
| 04:03.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | ethanw: ffmpeg is installed cause Im running handbrake 0.9.3 and its a dep. |
| 04:04.37 | pinkisntwell | if i run bind... it will run on my machine and it will try to resolve names for me. how will it resolve the names without using the university's dns servers? it will just contact the root servers right? can't i contact them myself without bind/ |
| 04:04.40 | pinkisntwell | ? |
| 04:04.53 | cheako | dnsmasq when used with resolvconf (the package with no '.' in the name) requires no configuration.... aside from putting your dhclient.conf back. |
| 04:04.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: hmm Are build depends usually listed in the source package documentation as well? |
| 04:05.23 | nsadmin | they won't answer certain kinds of queries, the root servers only give referrals |
| 04:05.31 | cheako | pinkisntwell: No, the root name servers do not do recursion. |
| 04:05.55 | pinkisntwell | are there any open dns servers that don't use port 53? i want to see if it's only that port that's being blocked |
| 04:05.56 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: yes usually, also take a look at http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/CompileOnLinux |
| 04:06.01 | mentor | pinkisntwell: You can list a root server in resolv.conf, but it won't cache and you're being naughty and breaking the internet |
| 04:06.13 | pinkisntwell | mentor: oh so it works then? |
| 04:06.17 | cheako | pinkisntwell: Normally you would have bind do recursion... that is bind would connect to the root nameservers and get a non-recursive answer and then do the recursion. |
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| 04:06.25 | pinkisntwell | mentor: well one guy breaking the internet... that's pretty hard |
| 04:06.34 | mentor | see |
| 04:06.43 | mentor | This is the mindset. |
| 04:07.04 | frogzoo | I think we can assume that you can't default to the root servers, or the obvious would happen |
| 04:07.17 | frogzoo | so I'd assume they filter to some degree |
| 04:07.19 | cheako | pinkisntwell: actually it happens all the time there was an instance not to long ago were some one was advertising a network they should not have been. |
| 04:07.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: hmm I see in the docs it says what the deps are for ubuntu and fedora only hehe. Im guessing I should follow the ubuntu build deps since its debian based I guess. |
| 04:07.49 | nsadmin | the mindset of someone interested in "female beauty" sites and is willing to break his local univ's rules to get thru... pinkisntwell: this is risky. it could get you kicked out of school. |
| 04:08.02 | cheako | Some ass end of the world island started getting the traffic for a large section of the internet as I remember. |
| 04:08.21 | frogzoo | nsadmin: links to female beauty sites pliz |
| 04:08.31 | pinkisntwell | no i'm sure you can find yourself |
| 04:08.51 | nsadmin | frogzoo.warez.spam.pr0n.com |
| 04:09.02 | frogzoo | I'm on it |
| 04:09.40 | pinkisntwell | nsadmin: hey my uni limits nntp too, and i mean all non-encrypted nntp traffic. we're talking about 3 KB/s here. i connected through stunnel and got 300 KB/s |
| 04:10.18 | frogzoo | what kind of self respecting uni throttles nttp? |
| 04:10.36 | pinkisntwell | and when i asked them why it is so slow they took a week to reply and then they said that it's because i'm using p2p at the same time. FOR FUCK'S SAKE |
| 04:10.48 | dvs | frogzoo: one that runs on a TRS-80? |
| 04:10.53 | neoice | the kind that realizes its only used for warez these days |
| 04:10.57 | pinkisntwell | maybe they're not, maybe their isp does |
| 04:11.39 | neoice | pinkisntwell: no, univeristies tend to QoS their traffic like nuts. its quite the problem to solve, supporting several thousand students and staff |
| 04:11.48 | pinkisntwell | neoice: well if you're gonna look at it this way then 90% of the bandwidth on the internet is warez |
| 04:11.52 | nsadmin | try running the caching-only dns, see if it works... there is liklihood cheako's right and it won't work, but it might be worth a try. KNOW that the uni admins could watch for recursive dns queries |
| 04:12.23 | frogzoo | neoice: unis tend to get their traffic for free |
| 04:12.27 | jmarsden | pinkisntwell: You could perhaps tunnel your subversive DNS/NNTP/other traffic over something (SSH, SSL, OpenVPN, whatever) if you want to try and "beat the uni overlords" that badly... and you know tunneling ut generally works... |
| 04:12.53 | pinkisntwell | jmarsden: i'll have to learn how to do that stuff... it's certainly worth a try |
| 04:13.08 | frogzoo | whole point of uni networks is that they're for academic use, and so need to be as open as possible |
| 04:13.30 | pinkisntwell | however i'm still a bit unclear on networking concepts... (and it shows) is it possible to send all traffic encrypted? |
| 04:13.31 | jmarsden | frogzoo: That was true about 20 years ago, not so true any more, I think... |
| 04:13.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im trying to install "libgtk2.0-dev" but it wont install and I just checked for broken packages I have no idea why it wont install. |
| 04:14.00 | frogzoo | jmarsden: I hope that's not true |
| 04:15.13 | jmarsden | frogzoo: Why do you think pinkisntwell is having issues finding sites of "female beauty"? On a 100% open network, that should be easy to do... |
| 04:15.50 | jmarsden | pinkisntwell: When you have plenty of speare time, read all about Tor and how to use it. |
| 04:15.53 | jmarsden | *spare |
| 04:16.07 | frogzoo | jmarsden: I was leaping to the conclusion this was a low rent uni |
| 04:16.10 | pinkisntwell | jmarsden: can i do dns over tor? |
| 04:16.22 | pinkisntwell | jmarsden: only dns? |
| 04:16.38 | pinkisntwell | jmarsden: because if i do everything it defeats the purpose since it will be slower |
| 04:16.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | nm I got it. Had to refresh package list is all. strange |
| 04:16.40 | jmarsden | pinkisntwell: As far as I know you can do DNS over Tor. *only* DNS? Not sure, that would be unusual |
| 04:16.53 | pinkisntwell | jmarsden: then there's no reason to do it |
| 04:16.58 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: according to http://packages.debian.org libgtk2.0-dev is not in stable |
| 04:17.26 | nsadmin | anyway if all you're interested in is female beauty (or all you're interested in that's blocked) then my suggestion is go out and meet women |
| 04:17.57 | frogzoo | nsadmin: you can't fix software in meatspace |
| 04:18.02 | Qew | craigevil: I have it on my Lenny machine. |
| 04:18.11 | pinkisntwell | nsadmin: classy man. just classy as hell. |
| 04:18.28 | craigevil | judd: versions libgtk2.0-dev |
| 04:18.28 | judd | craigevil: libgtk2.0-dev -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.18.3-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.18.3-1 sid: 2.18.5-1 experimental: 2.19.3-1 |
| 04:18.47 | pinkisntwell | anyway thanks for all the help, have to go to bed, see you later guys |
| 04:18.50 | nsadmin | if you stay inside and watch pr0n all day, you would be considered CREEPY... and you will never escape from creepyville... |
| 04:19.43 | frogzoo | nsadmin: hugh heffner? |
| 04:21.08 | nsadmin | no, that guy -wants- you to read his mag |
| 04:22.03 | frogzoo | a better argument is there is very little of female beauty in the internets |
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| 04:25.45 | nsadmin | frogzoo: that's a very good point... which means you have to meet them IN PERSON |
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| 04:28.01 | frogzoo | oh noes |
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| 04:41.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: You still here? |
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| 04:46.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: I just wanted to say you were a HUGE help with telling me about the build deps that are listed in the source docs. I apt-get installed the list and then started over with a fresh source extract. Did "./configure", "make" (took a long time even on this quad core), then "checkinstall -D" it ran beautifully and I now have a HandBrake 0.9.4 backport for Lenny. Thank you SO SO much for solving this building from source journey! Im |
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| 04:48.38 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: np :) google fu skills |
| 04:48.47 | uncmar | 0100 1000 0110 1001 |
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| 05:11.15 | Bastihase | the weather in germany sucks |
| 05:11.33 | dbbolton | it sure did over the summer at least |
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| 05:12.41 | Bastihase | exactly |
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| 05:15.19 | dbbolton | i had to wear shorts and carry a rain jacket around everyday because i had no idea what the hell was gonna happen |
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| 05:18.56 | uncmar | buys a small country only to have it devistated by an earthquake. Eh, thems the breaks. |
| 05:20.27 | dbbolton | risk is a tough game |
| 05:20.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok this is interesting after I built handbrake 0.9.4 from source. I uninstalled libfaac to see if that would remove my built handbrake package cause its a dependency to have aac audio encoding in the video output. I removed libfaac but the 0.9.4 is still installed and still encodes just fine without it being on the system. Does this mean that the dependencies have somehow been integrated into the build or something? |
| 05:20.45 | dbbolton | or monopoly, whichever you are playing |
| 05:22.18 | uncmar | has stock in stupid. In related news, availability of stupid increased by 1% today causing stupid stocks to slip in value. |
| 05:23.52 | frogzoo | don't believe it, stupid has no downside |
| 05:24.54 | dbbolton | i found a nickel on the sidewalk so i bought 100 shares of amazon.com |
| 05:25.17 | frogzoo | I found a penny & bought iceland |
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| 05:25.58 | dbbolton | wait until the EU accepts it |
| 05:26.17 | dbbolton | you will be able to sell your shares for a quarter |
| 05:27.01 | frogzoo | ah ha |
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| 05:53.53 | tuvyz | doesn't debian's snmpd support process monitoring? e.g. proc sshd? it doesn't have any effect on the output of snmpwalk |
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| 06:09.02 | tuvyz | does debians snmpd have support for proc |
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| 06:11.16 | jmarsden | tuvyz: According to man 5 snmpd.conf it seems to. |
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| 06:15.12 | tuvyz | jmarsden: it's not complaining about it when i put in snmpd.conf either, yet i can't see any effect in the output of snmpwalk |
| 06:15.21 | WormFood | how do I get aptitude to not upgrade a specific package? |
| 06:15.33 | jmarsden | WormFood: man apt_preferences. It is called pinning |
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| 06:15.42 | stew | WormFood: aptitude host packagename |
| 06:15.47 | stew | WormFood: aptitude hold packagename |
| 06:15.52 | WormFood | thanks jmarsden and stew |
| 06:16.06 | stew | (host was a typo) |
| 06:16.16 | WormFood | I know :P |
| 06:16.26 | jmarsden | WormFood: for just one package, stew's approach is easier than mine , so listen to him :) |
| 06:16.39 | stew | both are valid |
| 06:16.47 | WormFood | yeah, but for now, I want this one package to not be upgraded |
| 06:17.09 | jmarsden | tuvyz: I'll try it here and see what I can get to happen... |
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| 06:17.48 | tuvyz | jmarsden: appreciate it |
| 06:20.02 | Leftmost | Is it possible to get a listing of packages installed manually from .deb files (i.e. that aren't in the repository)? |
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| 06:25.40 | WormFood | Leftmost, I'm sure there is a "right" way to do it, but I haven't learned what it is. I just look at the dpkg directory at /var/lib/dpkg directory |
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| 06:27.40 | jmarsden | tuvyz: OK, I see what you mean... it's been a while since I played with snmp like this though, so I might be doing something "wrong"... |
| 06:28.23 | Leftmost | Hmm. WormFood, I'm not sure what I'm looking for here. Nothing seems to indicate that. |
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| 06:30.28 | WormFood | Leftmost, did you look in info? |
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| 06:32.21 | Leftmost | I'm looking at all the files related to a package I know I installed from a .deb and nothing indicates such. |
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| 06:33.46 | stew | Leftmost: "apt-show-versions" could tell you which packages are not currently available from any currently configured mirror |
| 06:33.50 | stew | but otherwise probably not |
| 06:34.39 | albech | i have some problems getting my tftpd service start correctly.. it launches with incorrect configuration even i chanced it in /etc/default/atftpd |
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| 06:35.49 | Rezagrats | What is 'IOMMU' in BIOS and why does Debian need it ? |
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| 06:37.01 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOMMU |
| 06:37.31 | Rezagrats | Where do i enable it though ? |
| 06:37.57 | PiklesOnFire | what computer... what bios... i need more info to help ;p |
| 06:38.45 | Rezagrats | ASUS m2a74-am (idk what bios, probably original since i didn't update it) |
| 06:39.39 | Rezagrats | BIOS is v2.61 |
| 06:42.06 | PiklesOnFire | i'm looking, but tbh, i can't find anything except an old forum post regarding this issue... but no info in the post that helps... still looking tho |
| 06:42.38 | sakitram | hello, I want to install ed debian live image copied into my USB HDD and started live operating system. but in the xfce desktop I do not find Debian install option. Also I do not find my local hard disk, "fdisk -l" it lists only my usb hdd drive |
| 06:43.14 | sakitram | please someone help |
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| 06:43.37 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: i got it... |
| 06:43.51 | PiklesOnFire | add pci=nommconf to your kernel line in grubs menu.lst |
| 06:43.56 | PiklesOnFire | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/661009760831 |
| 06:45.56 | Rezagrats | How do i access my menu.lst if i can't even boot up fully? :| |
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| 06:46.31 | PiklesOnFire | use ur fav recovery/live cd to access it is my best advice |
| 06:46.46 | Rezagrats | Hmm |
| 06:46.47 | uncmar | Rezagrats: boot with a live CD. |
| 06:47.07 | Rezagrats | an ubuntu CD |
| 06:47.43 | PiklesOnFire | that would work |
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| 06:52.34 | PiklesOnFire | wow, the floods are leaving, the floods are leaving ;p |
| 06:53.07 | sakitram | sorry, I have not specified my question clearly |
| 06:53.24 | uncmar | sakitram: you have a question? ok. |
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| 06:53.34 | sakitram | yes |
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| 06:54.19 | PiklesOnFire | sakitram: sorry, i didn't see your question, and i'm an arch user, so i'm not really qualified to help with that. |
| 06:54.21 | uncmar | did you become sakitram from another nick? Cause I scrolled back a few pages and don't see it. |
| 06:54.22 | sakitram | hello, I want to install debian live image into my local hard disk so I started debian live operating system with my USB HDD, but in the xfce desktop I do not find Debian install option. Also I do not find my local hard disk, "fdisk -l" it lists only my usb hdd drive |
| 06:54.40 | sakitram | no |
| 06:54.58 | sakitram | Here just now repeated my question now? Have you got it? |
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| 06:56.54 | Arafangion | How do I find out a (very rough) benchmark for the non-cached speed of my HDD? |
| 06:57.40 | jmarsden | Arafangion: hdparm -tT /dev/sda # But using bonnie++ would be somewhat less "rough" :) |
| 06:58.11 | uncmar | sakitram: and you rand fdisk -l as root. Kinda of retorical question cause. Not sure you can even run fdisk in debian without being root. |
| 06:58.20 | sakitram | yes |
| 06:58.23 | sakitram | sudo fdisk -l |
| 06:58.51 | uncmar | sata drive? |
| 06:58.59 | sakitram | yes |
| 06:59.04 | jmarsden | !debian live |
| 06:59.05 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:59.38 | jmarsden | sakitram: Read the "Note" part in there carefully... |
| 06:59.54 | sakitram | ok |
| 07:00.01 | Arafangion | jmarsden: hdparm only measures the transfer speed from the HDD's cache, doesn't it? |
| 07:00.03 | uncmar | jmarsden: yea, I just did. live-cd not have "install to hdd" |
| 07:01.00 | jmarsden | Arafangion: No, -T reads cache, -t reads the device... |
| 07:01.15 | Arafangion | Cool. |
| 07:02.12 | jmarsden | Arafangion: But it's a very poor benchmark for drive performance, please use bonnie++ for anything non-trivial at all... |
| 07:02.56 | Arafangion | jmarsden: I really just wanted something to compare with the marketing guy's claims, to decide if a newer HDD would be substantially faster. |
| 07:03.54 | jmarsden | You should ask the marketing guy "faster for what application load?" :) |
| 07:04.00 | obiwan_ | hey guys , i finally found out how to make rsa keys able to sign , certify (dunno what's this haha ^_^), and encrypt. Thanks for everything. |
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| 07:04.28 | Arafangion | jmarsden: Pretty tricky to ask a website that. ;) If I was buying an expensive, server-grade item, then sure, but this is just for my desktop computer. :) |
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| 07:04.58 | buttermenthol | who are you people -_- |
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| 07:05.01 | Arafangion | bonnie++ seems more concerned with filesystem performance than raw hdd performance. |
| 07:05.33 | jmarsden | yes and no... if you use ext3 on both drives you'll see what kinds of operations are how much faster on the new drive... |
| 07:06.05 | Arafangion | True. |
| 07:06.39 | epochfail | my apachetop is weird, for some reason it does not do anything when i try keyboard mashing; not until a request comes in, at which point only one of the keys gets processed |
| 07:06.40 | Arafangion | But I'd have to reformat both drives for the test to be meaningful. :) I suspect I've got very large blocks for my second HDD, and that the marketing guy is only talking about transfer speeds. |
| 07:06.54 | epochfail | any ideas as to what the problem is? |
| 07:09.21 | jmarsden | epochfail: You forgot to man apachetop ? I think it is reading a log file, so "keyboard mashing" is not supposed to do anything useful to it... |
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| 07:10.59 | epochfail | jmarsden, i've set it to update every 2 seconds, so there shouldnt be a problem with waiting to read it |
| 07:11.06 | epochfail | jmarsden, unless i misinterpreted you |
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| 07:11.48 | jmarsden | epochfail: How is "keyboard mashing" supposed to affect a utility that reads a log file and parses it...? |
| 07:12.26 | jmarsden | What effect do you think it is supposed to have, according to the man page for apachetop ? |
| 07:12.56 | epochfail | jmarsden, from what i came across on the webs, it provides more options like filtering when you press 'f', for example |
| 07:13.08 | epochfail | but none of the keys seem to do anything |
| 07:13.28 | epochfail | not until a request comes into the site, at which point apachetop updates ints interface |
| 07:13.29 | jmarsden | epochfail: I think you are confusing top and apachetop which are two very different programs? |
| 07:13.30 | epochfail | its* |
| 07:14.00 | jmarsden | epochfail: Do not go by :"what you came across on the webs". Read the man page to find out what a program is supposed to do. |
| 07:14.22 | epochfail | jmarsden, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/monitor-your-website-in-real-time-with-apachetop/ |
| 07:14.47 | epochfail | either the Internet is wrong, or i am deceived |
| 07:14.49 | jmarsden | epochfail: apachetop is looking at the log file and not at your keyboard. And As I just said, read the man page not random web sites... |
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| 07:15.19 | jmarsden | "The Internet" is often wrong, if by "The Internet" you mean random blogs and web pages. |
| 07:16.00 | jmarsden | apachetop is a Debian package, so its definitive documentation is the supplied man page(s). |
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| 07:23.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | Any songbird users? |
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| 07:24.44 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: yep, why? |
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| 07:26.34 | obiwan_ | please, do you think using a single keypair for both encryption and signing is insecure? i like that more than using one for signing and one for encryption, cause then i just need one. what do you say? |
| 07:26.44 | R_YoYo_R | i did a netinstall and it installed squeeze. That is still testing. am i safe? |
| 07:26.59 | R_YoYo_R | seems to be working great |
| 07:27.02 | obiwan_ | safe in what sense yoy? |
| 07:27.35 | R_YoYo_R | obiwan_: as far as stability |
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| 07:28.30 | obiwan_ | my friends told me it's stable enough |
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| 07:28.38 | R_YoYo_R | obiwan_: and when squeeze becomes the stable branch how do i make the transition? just changes in the sources.list? |
| 07:29.06 | obiwan_ | it depends also what you want your system for, i wouldn't risk my server to run on squeeze, but i wouldn't concern too much to use it as home os |
| 07:29.47 | R_YoYo_R | obiwan_: my server is always the stable release. this is for my laptop. (web browsing, music, movies etc) |
| 07:29.49 | PiklesOnFire | obiwan_: see:http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:29.51 | obiwan_ | yeah, just changes in sources.list |
| 07:30.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: You dont happen to use an ipod with it do you? |
| 07:30.32 | obiwan_ | sed s/unstable/stable /etc/apt/sources.list hehe |
| 07:30.54 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: sorry, i do not, but i could still possibly help, what's up? |
| 07:31.10 | obiwan_ | thanks PiklesOnFire |
| 07:31.54 | PiklesOnFire | obiwan_: np. as has been said, stable is usually used for a server, or workstation PC, and testing is used mainly for home computers... |
| 07:32.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Well I got cover flow and other cool stuff that iTunes has (its good points anyways) but Im not sure if my iPod Video 5G is supposed to work out of the box or not. So far it doesnt. |
| 07:32.43 | sakitram | now, I have got my local hard drives also listed with "sudo fdisk -l" in Debian Live OS. now how to start the installation? |
| 07:32.48 | R_YoYo_R | funny thing was i dont even remember getting the testing ISO... and my disk was labeled etch. So i dont know what happened |
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| 07:34.18 | R_YoYo_R | was pretty happy though. didnt have to do anything extra to get wireless. squeeze works out of the box. |
| 07:35.23 | obiwan_ | nice :P |
| 07:36.03 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: start out reading this : http://www.debiantutorials.org/ipod-on-debian |
| 07:36.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | R_YoYo_R: Squeeze has wireless drivers out of the box? Know if it has support for BCM4312 out of the box by chance? |
| 07:36.32 | R_YoYo_R | LinuxGuy2009: sorry man no idea. I know it worked for me with atheros out of the box |
| 07:36.55 | obiwan_ | i read that debian is supposed to release a new version each copule years , i dunno when they released last version, but add 2 years and that's approx the squeeze stable launch :=) |
| 07:36.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: No I meant it work perfectly in Debian and other apps like gtkpod, rhythmbox etc. Its songbird Im wondering about if its supposed to work with or not. |
| 07:37.24 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: oooooh! sorry, gotcha! did you load the ipod plugin? ;] |
| 07:37.41 | R_YoYo_R | sold my ipod |
| 07:37.45 | R_YoYo_R | got a sansa |
| 07:38.02 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: http://addons.songbirdnest.com/addon/12 |
| 07:38.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Well it says is incompatible with the newest version of songbird so no. Im not even sure if its still maintained or not. |
| 07:39.02 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: it's not being developed, but it should work, (i'm using arch linux) it appears to be working for me right now :] |
| 07:39.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Are you running songbird 1.4.3? |
| 07:39.44 | Rezagrats | Where is menu.lst located? |
| 07:40.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | /boot/grub? |
| 07:40.34 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: indeed i am :] |
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| 07:40.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: I wonder why its refusing to install then. |
| 07:42.23 | PiklesOnFire | no clue |
| 07:44.05 | nsadmin | Rezagrats: that would be the default location... in actuality, it could be configured to have it anywhere |
| 07:44.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Where am I supposed to extract the "Songbird_1.4.3-1438_linux-i686.tar.gz" to anyways? I just extracted to my desktop for right now to test but where is it supposed to go? |
| 07:45.51 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: i put it in /usr/bin. if you're using a single-user machine though, you can put it in your local bin :] |
| 07:46.42 | Rezagrats | PiklesOnFire, it didn't work. :\ |
| 07:46.42 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: are you using kde, gnome, or ... |
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| 07:47.35 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: same error msg? |
| 07:47.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire:gnome |
| 07:47.40 | Rezagrats | Mhm.. |
| 07:48.07 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: damn, that was the only thing i could find on that issue that had a fix D= |
| 07:48.50 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: why not use exaile? it's ipod support is a lot better imho |
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| 07:50.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Well I really like the cool cover flow and other views of songbird thats the only reason I would keep it at all really. Does exaile have cover flow by chance? Right now I just use rhythmbox for PC playback and gtkpod for ipod transfers. |
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| 07:52.46 | Rezagrats | PiklesOnFire, to be specific... this is the error: http://adam.pcriot.com/r/PICT0010.JPG |
| 07:53.26 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: ah, in that case, i don't believe it does. it has been requested, and will probably be added eventually. xbmc has an awesome cover flow though |
| 07:54.37 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: what version of debian are you trying to boot? |
| 07:54.53 | PiklesOnFire | thanks for taking the time to upload a pic btw :] errors always help |
| 07:54.54 | Rezagrats | Lenny |
| 07:55.43 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: i'm guessing this is for a desktop OS not a server right? |
| 07:55.51 | Rezagrats | Yeah. |
| 07:57.08 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: you could try squeeze... but if you're just looking to get this install running, try this boot option on the kernel line "iommu=memapper=3" |
| 07:57.13 | PiklesOnFire | no quotes obviously... |
| 07:57.19 | PiklesOnFire | and you don't have to use the livecd btw |
| 07:57.29 | PiklesOnFire | just try to boot, and hit e when grub comes up... |
| 07:57.34 | Rezagrats | Ah |
| 07:57.42 | PiklesOnFire | well, hit any key to stop the timer, then e on the kernel line |
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| 07:58.39 | uncmar | gets his hammer ready for hitting that ANY key. Dang it. I can't find the ANY key. |
| 07:58.49 | alabd | Hello , when will debian 6 squeez release well nigh ? |
| 07:58.51 | PiklesOnFire | lulz |
| 07:59.56 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: here's another link you may find helpful: http://bogdan.org.ua/2009/09/30/iommu-this-costs-you-64-mb-of-ram.html |
| 08:01.35 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: and another: http://rubbad.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/ubuntu-810-iommu/ |
| 08:05.10 | Rezagrats | I'm starting to think that it's not the 'iommu' that's causing this rather it's the fact that it says 'no init found' |
| 08:06.13 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: you're right, i didn't even notice that part. (DOH!) |
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| 08:06.44 | PiklesOnFire | this error comes if u do not have correct File System support if u have mounted a wrong partiton for root partition or missed out something from ur kernel config. |
| 08:07.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Ill look into xbmc then thanks. |
| 08:07.49 | alabd | when will debian 6 squeez (stable) release ? 2 or 4 or 6 or ... month ? |
| 08:07.51 | Rezagrats | The only hard drive that's not supported by defualt is the non-boot one. |
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| 08:08.32 | cahoot | alabd: try /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 08:08.38 | rumpsy | hey, i added a new url to my repo, while i reload it shows this error, W: GPG error: http://debian.dc-uoit.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 08:09.07 | PiklesOnFire | rumpsy: you need to download the key for the new repo... simple as that |
| 08:09.28 | rumpsy | could you please tell howto |
| 08:09.31 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: can you pastebin your menu.lst for me por favor? |
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| 08:09.39 | alabd | cahoot: thanks freeze = release =ready for download stable ? |
| 08:09.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Im looking at xbmc website is that like a media center app Im guessing? |
| 08:10.05 | Rezagrats | It'll take a min. the only liveCD i have is ubuntu 7.10 and it takes some time to actually load. :x |
| 08:10.25 | rumpsy | PiklesOnFire: Could you help me howto get that key |
| 08:10.38 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: i'll be here a while, take your time |
| 08:10.52 | PiklesOnFire | rumpsy: i'm looking into it, one moment plz :] |
| 08:11.07 | rumpsy | ^|^ , okay |
| 08:11.08 | ravenbird | rumpsy: Bugger all, I dunno. |
| 08:12.10 | PiklesOnFire | rumpsy: http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc that is the key, dl it... |
| 08:13.06 | alabd | cahoot: does it mean it will be ready for download on maurc |
| 08:13.29 | alabd | *march |
| 08:13.31 | PiklesOnFire | wget -q http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 08:13.38 | PiklesOnFire | rumpsy: that is the full command to add the key and get it |
| 08:14.01 | cahoot | alabd: it will take a few months from freeze to release |
| 08:14.18 | alabd | cahoot: mamnoon |
| 08:14.24 | alabd | cahoot: thank you |
| 08:15.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any "media center" apps in the debian repos or do I need to look to other sources for options? |
| 08:16.05 | rumpsy | PiklesOnFire: okay |
| 08:16.06 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: which media center are you looking to install? |
| 08:16.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im currently downloading the 135MB source code for xbmc to build a deb. |
| 08:17.10 | rumpsy | PiklesOnFire: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found., this is my error now |
| 08:17.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Well Im gonna build the source for your recomended xbmc but was wondering if there are any media center esk apps on my 5 dvd repo disks to try until its done downloading and compiling. |
| 08:20.17 | PiklesOnFire | rumpsy: http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.php |
| 08:21.16 | PiklesOnFire | and LinuxGuy2009 you could also try ELISA |
| 08:21.47 | PiklesOnFire | it's a gorgeous media center like XBMC, but not as feature rich. good for music and movies though. |
| 08:21.49 | rumpsy | okay,i see now |
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| 08:22.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: yep right on, I just searched add/remove for media center and saw it. Took like 2 sec to install from my 5 mounted dvd isos. hehe trying now. |
| 08:22.14 | PiklesOnFire | rumpsy: i gave you the wrong key by mistake the first time, sorry |
| 08:22.36 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: haha, sorry i took so long, glad you found it though :]] |
| 08:22.47 | rumpsy | okay, :) |
| 08:23.01 | PiklesOnFire | who know, i haven't been using debain in years and yet i can still support it (sorta). woohoo |
| 08:23.49 | PiklesOnFire | knew* |
| 08:23.54 | Rezagrats | PiklesOnFire: http://www.stirkbin.com/a4529 |
| 08:24.06 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: thanks, one sec |
| 08:24.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: That xbmc looks REALLY sweet. Cant wait to compile it and try it. |
| 08:25.11 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: it is really sweet, haha, i frekkin LOVE it |
| 08:25.58 | PiklesOnFire | hey Rezagrats, is your boot device on the same disk or a different one? |
| 08:26.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: I think I might put it on my Dell Mini 10v netbook and use xbmc downstairs on the 52" LCD tv. cant wait to try it. |
| 08:26.26 | Rezagrats | What do you mean 'boot device' ? |
| 08:26.34 | Rezagrats | And |
| 08:26.38 | Rezagrats | 'same disk' ** |
| 08:26.47 | PiklesOnFire | where is grub installed, and the /boot partition :p |
| 08:27.27 | PiklesOnFire | are you still in the livecd? |
| 08:27.32 | Rezagrats | Yeah, '/' is on one disk and '/home' is on the same disk, partitioned. |
| 08:27.44 | Rezagrats | I'm still on the LiveCD. yes. |
| 08:27.59 | PiklesOnFire | and /boot doesn't have it's own partition? tsk tsk :p jp |
| 08:28.22 | Rezagrats | I didn't want to make it too confusing. |
| 08:28.36 | PiklesOnFire | can you look in your /boot directory, just make sure the initrd file that the menu.lst refers to is actually there? |
| 08:28.41 | Rezagrats | Separating / and /home is about as compels as i wanted it to be. |
| 08:28.57 | Rezagrats | Complex* |
| 08:28.58 | Rezagrats | Sure. |
| 08:29.00 | Rezagrats | One sec. |
| 08:29.00 | PiklesOnFire | it's fine, i was just messing with ya :p |
| 08:29.03 | PiklesOnFire | np |
| 08:30.37 | PiklesOnFire | DOH! hey Rezagrats silly question... what filesystem is your / ? |
| 08:30.37 | Rezagrats | Yeah, it is there. |
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| 08:30.43 | Rezagrats | Uhh |
| 08:30.47 | Rezagrats | Ext3? |
| 08:31.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: hmm Do you know if ELISA can playback AAC audio? I have AAC 256Kbps of my CD collection ripped in my Music folder but it doesnt seem to be playing or Im an idiot that cant use it right or something. |
| 08:31.06 | PiklesOnFire | check the /etc/fstab to be sure for me plz... |
| 08:31.08 | Rezagrats | Could be ext2... probably ext3 though. |
| 08:32.56 | Rezagrats | PiklesOnFire: http://stirkbin.com/b4391 |
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| 08:33.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: nm I got it I removed faad earlier when i built handbrake from source for testing reasons. |
| 08:33.31 | PiklesOnFire | haha, kay LinuxGuy2009 |
| 08:33.40 | PiklesOnFire | brb Rezagrats |
| 08:34.10 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: that's the /etc/fstab from your system that's having problems booting??? |
| 08:34.42 | row | why is aptitude hold not holding the freaking package :/ |
| 08:34.52 | Rezagrats | Yeah, PiklesOnFire. |
| 08:35.07 | Rezagrats | That's what /etc/fstab contained. |
| 08:35.23 | row | seems aptitude hold does sweet fa |
| 08:36.19 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: that's the fstab from your live system... :p |
| 08:36.32 | rumpsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.04 | PiklesOnFire | but, change the kernel from /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1, and see if that allows you to boot... it should if i'm correct |
| 08:37.20 | row | can you not put a package on hold with aptitude if it was automatically installed? |
| 08:37.51 | Rezagrats | Lulz |
| 08:38.14 | Rezagrats | I guess i got caught up in using ubuntu 7.10, i thought i was still using it. xD |
| 08:38.19 | Rezagrats | PiklesOnFire: http://stirkbin.com/b4392 |
| 08:38.54 | PiklesOnFire | lol, kay, yeah, don't change the kerenl line then :p |
| 08:39.34 | PiklesOnFire | Rezagrats: i'm gunna pm you |
| 08:39.50 | row | w00t it actually held this time |
| 08:41.05 | Malmis | is someone here good at samba? i can't get it work any good.. just locally on the same computer, but can't connect to any samba share from another computer.. |
| 08:42.10 | row | Malmis: does samba use hosts.allow/hosts.deny, if so you checked that? |
| 08:42.26 | Malmis | where to check? i don't think so |
| 08:42.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Hmm seems as though ELISA doesnt support AAC files cause I threw a wav file in there and it played fine. Do you know if xbmc supports aac? |
| 08:42.31 | row | ah no it does not it seems |
| 08:42.50 | row | Malmis: does have it's own hosts allow/deny though in the config apparently. |
| 08:43.07 | row | Malmis: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/server_security.html |
| 08:43.14 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: tbh, i do not know =/ i don't use aacs =/ |
| 08:43.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire:Ok. What format do you use mostly OGG or FLAC Im guessing?\ |
| 08:43.55 | Malmis | i use interface protection, but before i didn't and it didn't work then either.. |
| 08:44.00 | PiklesOnFire | flac ;p |
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| 08:45.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Yeah Flac is what I use to keep master copies of my CD collection so I dont have to physically swap and rip disks if I ever want to change encoding bitrates of my lossy files. |
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| 08:46.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well here goes nothing, gonna try and compile xbmc. hehe |
| 08:46.18 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: good luck! :] |
| 08:46.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Thanks Ill need it |
| 08:47.17 | PiklesOnFire | precompiled on arch ;p |
| 08:47.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Holy crap it must be really good with lots fo features cause it must have 50 build dependencies. hehe |
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| 08:51.20 | PiklesOnFire | LinuxGuy2009: lol, it's awesome, but it's not that much to install on arch. i just reinstalled it, and it's only 103MBs. but that could also be because some deps might already be installed. idk |
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| 08:57.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Wow. Thats a VERY large app compared to most others but Im sure thats cause its so cool. |
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| 08:58.06 | PiklesOnFire | that was 11 apps actually ;p |
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| 08:58.36 | PiklesOnFire | xbmc was only 46.25 |
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| 08:59.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | PiklesOnFire: Oh wow. The source is 134.9. Must really compress down when compiled. |
| 09:00.19 | Arafangion | That's usual. |
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| 09:02.33 | PiklesOnFire | yeah, like Arafangion said, that's pretty typical |
| 09:02.38 | paradoxmonkey | How trustworthy is ext4 for a file server? |
| 09:03.30 | PiklesOnFire | paradoxmonkey: it's still being developed, it shouldn't be used for a server |
| 09:03.35 | PiklesOnFire | XFS is a better choice |
| 09:04.15 | paradoxmonkey | PiklesOnFire: Is XFS faster then ext3? |
| 09:05.22 | PiklesOnFire | for larger files it's second to none, for smaller files, it's second to only ext4, so yes, it is ;p |
| 09:06.15 | Arafangion | Isn't ReiserFS 4 supposed to be pretty good for small files, in the performance arena? |
| 09:07.16 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: But ReiserFS 4 isn't that well if at all supported by the linux kernel |
| 09:07.18 | Malmis | seems like samba can't find itself as a local master browser for workgroup |
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| 09:07.39 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: That wasn't the criteria you mentioned. |
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| 09:08.42 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: Since we are in the debian channel I'd assumed people would understand that the file server would run under debian |
| 09:09.19 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Many people compile their own kernels, especially if performance is an important consideration. |
| 09:09.41 | PiklesOnFire | isn't reiser4 under devel too? or is that some other reiser? blegh, damn the namings |
| 09:10.10 | PiklesOnFire | and reiser has much worse reads and writes and is almost the WORST linux FS you could use as a file server filesystem |
| 09:10.38 | Arafangion | PiklesOnFire: Well, true, but for *small files*, isn't it suppose to be pretty good? |
| 09:10.46 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: ReiserFS 4 is not supported by any linux kernel |
| 09:11.14 | PiklesOnFire | paradoxmonkey: yes it is. i use arch and reiser is FULLY supported ;p |
| 09:11.36 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Wikipedia tells me that it's available from Andrew Morton's -mm kernel sources. |
| 09:12.04 | PiklesOnFire | and Arafangion yes, for smaller files, it is pretty good, but for anything over like 256mb xfs starts to stomp it, when you have a 1gb or more, XFS kills, lol |
| 09:12.22 | paradoxmonkey | That's true but it still isn't supported by the main linux kernel |
| 09:13.05 | PiklesOnFire | it's supported, you just have to enable it... it comes standard on most distros these days though... |
| 09:13.39 | paradoxmonkey | PiklesOnFire: From wikipedia: "As of 2010, Reiser4 has not yet been merged into the mainline Linux kernel" |
| 09:14.07 | PiklesOnFire | anyways, to answer your question, XFS would probably be your best bet. though, i haven't put much research into jfs, i hear it is a good option for a file server as well. |
| 09:14.15 | PiklesOnFire | wiki isn't reliable. |
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| 09:15.35 | PiklesOnFire | though, it could just be patches that allow dists to use it, or some other way, other than being mainline kernel, you are probably correct |
| 09:15.45 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: The 'mainline' linux kernel isn't the only linux kernel. |
| 09:16.36 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: true, but as PiklesOnFire said reiserFS is no good for big files |
| 09:17.21 | PiklesOnFire | reiser4 is just like ext4, STILL IN DEVEL, deff not a good choice for a server as it's blueprints may change drastically during it's development cycles |
| 09:17.46 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Well, ignoring the fact that reiser4 is a poor choice anyway (I was playing devil's advocate), you really do need to benchmark a few filesystems, and make sure you have a backup methodology in process. |
| 09:18.05 | Arafangion | would probably prefer ext4 to reiser4 for a commercial dev server. |
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| 09:18.52 | PiklesOnFire | i fully agree with Arafangion's last statement... about the benchmarking and backups |
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| 09:19.32 | Arafangion | Or... Just stick with ext3. crappy, but known to work well. |
| 09:19.33 | PiklesOnFire | and Arafangion i'm always gunna be an XFS fanboy when it comes to filesystems and file serevers. lol. I even use it on my laptop |
| 09:19.49 | Arafangion | PiklesOnFire: I've been hearing about XFS more and more. |
| 09:19.58 | paradoxmonkey | I'm currently doing backups to format the drive, I had NTFS on it before :( |
| 09:20.17 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: That's crap - you should've /already/ had backups. |
| 09:20.31 | PiklesOnFire | XFS is tried and tested as well, not so much as ext3, but it is pretty freakin amazing |
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| 09:21.38 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 09:22.20 | Arafangion | PiklesOnFire: Just checked the wiki for xfs - looks quite decent. |
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| 09:22.44 | Arafangion | PiklesOnFire: I like that it can be grown, supports large files well, and has support for software RAID. |
| 09:23.26 | PiklesOnFire | Arafangion: all the reasons i picked it ;] |
| 09:23.41 | Arafangion | PiklesOnFire: I had high hopes for zfs. :( |
| 09:23.45 | PiklesOnFire | i just don't like that it can't be shrunk (from what i've read) |
| 09:24.11 | Arafangion | Why would you need to shrink it? Wouldn't you rather buy a newer HDD? ;) |
| 09:24.48 | PiklesOnFire | if i ever want to create a new partition on my disk. :po |
| 09:24.51 | PiklesOnFire | :p* |
| 09:25.33 | Arafangion | Bah, get a new HDD, migrate a partition, and bingo, you've got space. |
| 09:25.47 | paradoxmonkey | PiklesOnFire: wiki says that xfs can not be shrunk either, must be wrong right? |
| 09:26.04 | valdyn | PiklesOnFire: ext4 is pretty stable already, and google is moving to ext4, that sais something imho |
| 09:26.27 | valdyn | ( but they're not saying that its better than xfs ) |
| 09:26.37 | Arafangion | valdyn: Google tends to have *extremely* specialised requirements. |
| 09:26.47 | PiklesOnFire | valdyn: yes, ext4 is stable, but it's still in development. and google IS moving to ext4, but they are waiting for it to end it's development cycle first |
| 09:26.53 | Arafangion | valdyn: Did they say what they were moving from? I thought they were using the Google File System? |
| 09:27.01 | valdyn | Arafangion: from ext3 |
| 09:27.13 | valdyn | Arafangion: gfs is a different layer |
| 09:27.19 | Arafangion | Ok then. |
| 09:27.20 | PiklesOnFire | Arafangion: gfs is like a cloud fs |
| 09:27.30 | valdyn | Arafangion: different layer and different data |
| 09:27.35 | PiklesOnFire | it's like fuse on steroids :p |
| 09:27.35 | Arafangion | has never understood what the heck the "cloud" is. |
| 09:27.56 | PiklesOnFire | multiple comps acting as a single entity - is the basic breakdown |
| 09:28.19 | PiklesOnFire | and paradoxmonkey no, xfs can NOT be shrunk, it can only be grown |
| 09:28.31 | valdyn | Arafangion: gfs is where the have very special requirements, the ext3 not really |
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| 09:28.58 | valdyn | ( or else they wouldnt use a general purpose fs, would they ) |
| 09:29.43 | valdyn | PiklesOnFire: im still had an error on ext4 |
| 09:30.17 | PiklesOnFire | ^ huh? |
| 09:30.20 | ravenbird | !find test |
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| 09:32.35 | PiklesOnFire | valdyn: ya lost me... |
| 09:32.56 | valdyn | PiklesOnFire: just my anecdotical evidence that ext4 is not yet rock solid |
| 09:33.13 | PiklesOnFire | lol, oh, gotcha |
| 09:33.25 | paradoxmonkey | Talking about storage and file systems, the Drobo is nice, just to bad it's so expensive |
| 09:34.12 | PiklesOnFire | paradoxmonkey: external? |
| 09:34.27 | simonrvn | ^forget huh? |
| 09:34.33 | simonrvn | ^forget huh |
| 09:34.35 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
| 09:34.36 | paradoxmonkey | PiklesOnFire; yup |
| 09:34.52 | PiklesOnFire | shudders |
| 09:35.05 | PiklesOnFire | i would never use external on any server |
| 09:35.09 | paradoxmonkey | I like the fact that you just can swap in a new drive and it takes care of the rest |
| 09:35.53 | PiklesOnFire | that's the lazy admin's attitued :p |
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| 09:37.27 | paradoxmonkey | PiklesOnFire: I like I didn't say I would use one, anyhow the good thing about it is that the drives don't have to be mached |
| 09:38.59 | PiklesOnFire | lol, i'd USE one, but only for things like my desktop... maybe even my workstation... just never for a server. and if you were to use one, that is your call. i was just mekkin fun. i'm bored and it's 4:40 am. i needa do something to stay entertained aye? |
| 09:39.06 | PiklesOnFire | and yeah, they are pretty nice :] |
| 09:40.07 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: You can swap in new internal drives just fine too. |
| 09:41.30 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: but if you are in like a raid setup don't the drives need to match in capacity etc |
| 09:41.58 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Those requirements won't change magically just because you're using external drives. |
| 09:42.38 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: No but they do if you use a Drobo |
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| 09:43.16 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: What kind of RAID does it use? |
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| 09:43.49 | simonrvn | raidwtf |
| 09:44.07 | Arafangion | simonrvn: That is my _point_. |
| 09:44.38 | simonrvn | i.e. it doesn't sound like raid ;) |
| 09:44.52 | PiklesOnFire | lulz, idr when debian channel was actually this much *fun* |
| 09:45.01 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: thier proprietary 'BeyondRAID' witch isn't exactly RAID |
| 09:45.11 | simonrvn | *ding* |
| 09:45.31 | paradoxmonkey | simonrvn: What's wrong with RAID? |
| 09:45.35 | simonrvn | Arafangion: 1 ; simonrvn: 1 |
| 09:45.42 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:46.02 | simonrvn | i didn't say there was something wrong with raid |
| 09:47.12 | Arafangion | What _is_ wrong, is calling something RAID, when it isn't. (Allow us to ignore RAID0), and further implying that the requirements to satisfy RAID depends on something as trivial as the drives being internal vs external. |
| 09:49.44 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: I did not imply anything and I did not call drobo a RAID |
| 09:50.40 | Arafangion | Very well. |
| 09:51.01 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: actually you where the one to assume it was RAID |
| 09:51.28 | simonrvn | Arafangion: exactly |
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| 09:51.34 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Incorrect, you strongly suggested that you wanted the drives to be in a RAID configuration. |
| 09:52.12 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Infact, the only reason why they were external, was that they couldn't be part of your RAID setup if they were internal. |
| 09:52.20 | simonrvn | will ignore the bad typos |
| 09:53.23 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Thereby, you implied that the external setup was also RAID. (No reason why RAID covers _all_ internal drives) |
| 09:54.15 | Malmis | could someone help me with this samba problem... this is the only error messages in my logs... and i can't get it to work... |
| 09:54.15 | Malmis | [2010/01/17 10:40:58, 0] lib/util_sock.c:1491(get_peer_addr_internal) |
| 09:54.15 | Malmis | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.15 | Malmis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.25 | Arafangion | All hail debhelper. |
| 09:54.38 | PiklesOnFire | pft, all hail pacman |
| 09:56.05 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: First of all I don't have a RAID setup, I compared the drobo to a RAID setup. At which point did I suggest that I wanted drobo in a raid setup? |
| 09:56.06 | Malmis | http://paste.debian.net/56905/ .. i need some help with this error :( |
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| 09:56.35 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: I said that you can swap internal drives just fine. |
| 09:56.43 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Your response was: |
| 09:56.46 | Arafangion | (8:41:28 PM) paradoxmonkey: Arafangion: but if you are in like a raid setup don't the drives need to match in capacity etc |
| 09:57.27 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: ^^ That's when I compared drobo to RAID |
| 09:57.28 | Arafangion | Either, that was a non-sequitor, or you were running a RAID setup. |
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| 09:59.01 | PiklesOnFire | Malmis: any bacground info on the error? |
| 09:59.25 | Malmis | seems like a lot of people have this problem when running windows 7, i'm included |
| 09:59.27 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: All I said is that the drives need to match in capacity in a RAID where as in drobo they do not, because it isn't raid |
| 09:59.44 | Malmis | PiklesOnFire, it started with latest samba version from sid.. |
| 10:00.18 | Malmis | i was first thinking it was some network problem.. but seems like everything else is working gr8 |
| 10:00.18 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: Ahh, ok, so it wasn't related to the conversation. Cool. |
| 10:00.52 | paradoxmonkey | Arafangion: Sorry for making you / me confused |
| 10:01.00 | PiklesOnFire | blegh, networking +/ samba = not me. sorry =/ |
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| 10:01.20 | Arafangion | paradoxmonkey: That's cool. |
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| 10:02.47 | PiklesOnFire | yay, the chilrens are playing nice! :p |
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| 10:03.44 | paradoxmonkey | Malmis: It could be a bug in smaba, remember sid = experimental |
| 10:03.52 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 10:03.54 | Malmis | i know.. :/ |
| 10:04.05 | simonrvn | (about the raid / not raid shit above) |
| 10:04.11 | Malmis | thats why i wonder if someone know how to fix |
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| 10:05.52 | vinc456 | I just got some spam email and the sender came from my own email address? Should I be worried? |
| 10:05.58 | paradoxmonkey | Malmis: Try #samba or the samba mailing list |
| 10:06.27 | Malmis | yeah but first i'm going to test the samba 3.5 from experimental |
| 10:06.40 | rww | vinc456: No. That's a rather common occurance. |
| 10:06.47 | albech | anyone played around with PXE boot and atftpd? I am getting http://pastebin.com/m655c94aa in my log file as if the file is being shared correctly. Even if the file doesnt exist it still looks the same and the pxe client never receive a file |
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| 10:07.21 | rww | vinc456: It's possible to pretend to send email from different account from the one you're actually using. For some reason, some spammers choose to pretend to send it from the user they're spamming to. |
| 10:07.34 | paradoxmonkey | Malmis: Yeah do that. It could be something wrong with their experimental implementation of smb2, dunno |
| 10:07.35 | PiklesOnFire | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600/ubuntu.png |
| 10:07.35 | albech | rww, very easy |
| 10:07.36 | PiklesOnFire | lmao |
| 10:07.49 | albech | rww, sorry thought that was a question ;) |
| 10:08.04 | rww | albech: no problem :) |
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| 10:09.35 | albech | is there a way to 'knock' on a tftp server with telnet to see if it is responding correctly? |
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| 10:10.14 | albech | maybe even simulate a filerequest? |
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| 10:11.07 | rww | albech: I usually just use "tftp" to test tftp servers. Does that not work? |
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| 10:19.31 | Wilthril | at last i got e2fsck to check and fix my filesystem... |
| 10:19.41 | Wilthril | i didn't know there were superblock backups that's neat :) |
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| 10:22.10 | simonrvn | there are. saving fses is what they're for ;) |
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| 10:23.06 | ePax | Is it possible to stream video from server that does not have X? |
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| 10:23.44 | albech | rww, yes it works.. it is still giving me problems where i cannot have the root set to anything but /var/lib/tftpboot which is not where i want it.. i tried chance it on /etc/default/atftpd and /etc/inetd.conf where i have found configuration for it.. I was never that fond of portmap to start services anyway ;) |
| 10:24.12 | Wilthril | ePax: you mean without file sharing (like nfs or samba)? |
| 10:24.40 | ePax | Wicked: Yes. And server does not have X installed neither. |
| 10:25.46 | simonrvn | ePax: um, why wouldn't it be possible? |
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| 10:26.18 | simonrvn | it's just a file, just like some audio file or whatever else. |
| 10:26.23 | ePax | simonrvn: Is there any howto on doing this? |
| 10:26.42 | Wilthril | personaly i have a nas which has not X, running nfs and samba servers and i can play videos from it directly on my computer :) |
| 10:26.47 | simonrvn | google can tell you that ... |
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| 10:27.03 | ePax | simonrvn: I thought so as well. But its better to ask (; |
| 10:27.11 | simonrvn | "podcast" or wtfever |
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| 10:28.07 | rww | albech: Yeah, it's rather irritating. There are a few other tftpd servers, maybe one of them sucks less ;) |
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| 10:29.11 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! themill has returned! |
| 10:29.30 | Wilthril | ePax: i only know 2 software: ps3 media server (works with xbox360 also) and mediatomb |
| 10:29.49 | ePax | Wicked: thnx |
| 10:30.09 | paradoxmonkey | So what ePax want to do is uPnP? |
| 10:30.40 | Wilthril | well i think so if he doesn't want complete file sharing... |
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| 10:32.01 | paradoxmonkey | ePax: maybe <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_UPnP_AV_MediaServers> could be helpful. |
| 10:32.12 | ePax | paradoxmonkey: thnx |
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| 10:33.44 | ethanol | anyone here got the time and patience perhaps to guide me through debugging my wireless connection from command line? I can scan for cells, I even find my own home network, but dhclient fails to get an ip assigned :( |
| 10:34.48 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: try to set the ip manually and see if you can ping your router/access pint |
| 10:35.00 | paradoxmonkey | *point |
| 10:35.04 | omgwtfbbqhax | i like pint better |
| 10:35.09 | ethanol | mkay |
| 10:36.25 | ethanol | on a side-note, is there any way I can change the command line font? the yaboot loader uses a small smooth one, but once debian boots up everything turns big and dull :< |
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| 10:39.36 | ethanol | hrm. ifconfig says I have the ip and all, but iwconfig still says I am not associated to any AP |
| 10:40.01 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 10:40.12 | what | !dpkg ati |
| 10:40.12 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:40.15 | ethanol | can't ping either |
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| 10:41.00 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: what wireless nic do you have? |
| 10:41.30 | ethanol | I think it's part of the bw43 family. ibook g4. I installed the bw43 fwcutter through aptitude |
| 10:44.32 | simonrvn | !bcm53xx |
| 10:44.40 | simonrvn | !bcm43xx |
| 10:44.40 | dpkg | [bcm43xx] the _old_ driver for Broadcom's non-USB wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Linux at 2.6.17-rc2, disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ Linux images and removed from mainline in 2.6.26. Lenny and Squeeze users, ask me about <b43> instead. Etch users with 2.6.18 kernel, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#bcm43xx-etch |
| 10:44.53 | ePax | I hade installed "mrtg" (i think so...) and as well it isntalled crontab for it... After rmoval of that prog i still get some errors in syslog bud i can not find the crontab. Can it be some script that is executing crontab? http://debian.pastebin.com/md49ad80 |
| 10:44.55 | simonrvn | ethanol: it is |
| 10:45.20 | simonrvn | ethanol: one of those rectangular white ones? |
| 10:45.35 | ethanol | uhm? what are you referring to now? my ibook? |
| 10:45.41 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:45.48 | ethanol | ibook g4, literally |
| 10:45.57 | ethanol | white yes |
| 10:46.03 | ethanol | quite old |
| 10:46.27 | ethanol | when I use iwlist to scan for networks, it finds my home network |
| 10:46.31 | ethanol | but my ssid is hidden |
| 10:46.32 | simonrvn | nice machines though |
| 10:46.35 | ethanol | could this cause issues? |
| 10:46.44 | simonrvn | ePax: check /etc/cron* |
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| 10:46.56 | ethanol | yeah it's old but still runs smooth. battery is great too |
| 10:47.27 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: I just wonder how iwlist can find your network if your ssid is hidden? |
| 10:47.38 | p0g0__ | ethanol: there is no true "hidden" -beacons will still reveal the SSID. |
| 10:47.40 | ethanol | it shows the network with an empty ssid |
| 10:47.48 | simonrvn | ethanol: i have no idea, there should be some decent docs for the wifi on those still up |
| 10:48.11 | ethanol | p0g0__: beacons? no such options for iwlist, or? |
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| 10:48.18 | ePax | simonrvn: I was looking in cron.hourly but it was in cron.d |
| 10:48.21 | ePax | thnx |
| 10:48.21 | Mkman | Hello |
| 10:48.33 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: oh yeah, and you can identify your ap by mac address :) |
| 10:48.43 | ethanol | yes |
| 10:48.46 | p0g0__ | ethanol: use kismet and a bit of time, the AP will show up. |
| 10:49.03 | ethanol | p0g0__: but that is not the issue though. the issue is that I can't seem to connect to it. |
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| 10:49.49 | p0g0__ | Some clients are dicey that way- you might just unhide the AP, it's not a productive way to secure the device. |
| 10:50.35 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: Do you use WPA on your network+ |
| 10:50.35 | liable_ | pokes p0g0__ |
| 10:50.50 | ethanol | no authentication whatsoever at the moment |
| 10:50.53 | ethanol | I'll unhide the ssid |
| 10:51.53 | paradoxmonkey | p0g0__: indeed the ssid can be easily spoofed |
| 10:52.11 | ethanol | now I am connected |
| 10:52.12 | ethanol | =D |
| 10:52.13 | ethanol | lame |
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| 10:52.29 | ethanol | ok maybe I cheered too early |
| 10:53.11 | ethanol | I can't reach out |
| 10:53.11 | ethanol | hrm |
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| 10:53.43 | p0g0__ | runs to the medicine cabinet to dress liable's puncture wound. |
| 10:54.03 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: What does iwconfig return? |
| 10:54.21 | ethanol | the essid is set, the ap associated is mine |
| 10:54.33 | ethanol | bit rate 2mb/s, kinda poop |
| 10:54.40 | ethanol | link quality 60/100 |
| 10:54.49 | rittyan | how maintainers do maintain their stuff? I mean, there is a project X available in the wild world. Maintainer checks it out, makes /debian/ directory within and then pulls from time to time and merges sources/patches/etc in his own debian branch? |
| 10:54.51 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: Maybe a stupid question, did you bring up the interface? |
| 10:54.56 | ethanol | yes |
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| 10:55.12 | ethanol | ip addr shows the device as up |
| 10:55.16 | erry | is there a way to get RTL8187B orking on debian |
| 10:55.37 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: but you can't ping the ap |
| 10:55.39 | paradoxmonkey | ? |
| 10:55.41 | ethanol | nope |
| 10:55.46 | ethanol | while I can from my imac |
| 10:55.53 | ethanol | which is also connected through wireless |
| 10:55.58 | ethanol | so the ap should reply |
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| 10:57.13 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: can you pastbin the output of iwconfig wlan0 and ifconfig wlan0? |
| 10:57.26 | ethanol | kinda complicated since the machine is not connected :< |
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| 10:57.56 | p0g0__ | ethanol: does iwconfig show the station machine as associated? |
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| 10:58.32 | p0g0__ | if it does, I'd look at routing issues. your pings may be getting routed wrong. |
| 10:58.40 | ethanol | managed |
| 10:59.09 | p0g0__ | ethanol: associated to the right AP, with a reasonable signal level and rate? |
| 10:59.41 | ethanol | not sure if it is reasonable, signal level is -49dbm, noise -72dbm |
| 10:59.56 | p0g0__ | That's a great signal |
| 11:00.24 | ethanol | oh woot |
| 11:00.27 | ethanol | I got connection |
| 11:00.30 | ethanol | I had to bring eth0 down |
| 11:00.36 | ethanol | it was messing with the routing I guess |
| 11:00.46 | liable_ | thats a routing issue, not wifi |
| 11:00.50 | ethanol | yes |
| 11:01.05 | p0g0__ | yeah, you had a default route and maybe even two nics on one net... |
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| 11:02.41 | ethanol | dpkh-reconfigure console-setup says it does not exist, but aptitude says console-setup is installed o_O |
| 11:02.46 | ethanol | dpkg* |
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| 11:15.53 | Wilthril | no matter how many times i run e2fsck it keeps fixing problems... |
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| 11:22.16 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: You must be root to do console-setup |
| 11:22.52 | paradoxmonkey | ethanol: you can do 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup' if you have sudo working |
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| 11:25.59 | Wilthril | woot thanks a lot guys i'm able to recover some data from my broken ext3 filesystems |
| 11:26.13 | Wilthril | folders and some names are messed up but the data is there ^^ |
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| 11:45.06 | paradoxmonkey | Does debian live cd support xfs? |
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| 11:46.20 | TiMiDo | yes paradox420 |
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| 11:52.21 | pat|nG | hi |
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| 11:53.32 | pat|nG | im new to debian and i do want to have a copy....when i looked out the site i can't see the x86 which one should i choose? i got intel core 2 dou processor......is it i386? |
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| 11:56.05 | Wilthril | pat|nG: with your core2duo you can use either x64 or i386 |
| 11:56.05 | what | Rezagrats: making progress? |
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| 11:58.57 | valdyn | theres no x64 debian, its called "amd64" |
| 11:59.08 | valdyn | pat|nG: ^^ |
| 12:01.47 | paradoxmonkey | Anyone know of a lightweight alternative to lm-sensors? |
| 12:01.59 | Wilthril | ok sorry valdyn :) |
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| 12:04.03 | pat|nG | yup |
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| 12:04.13 | Rezagrats | Not really, what. i decided to put it off till tomorrow since i'm really tired atm./ |
| 12:04.14 | pat|nG | but i got intel tho |
| 12:04.30 | pat|nG | so think i wont compile on amd64 |
| 12:04.44 | pat|nG | so it would be i386 |
| 12:04.51 | pat|nG | as i assumed |
| 12:05.09 | rww | pat|nG: x86_64/Intel64 (including Core 2 processors) work fine on amd64. |
| 12:05.20 | paradoxmonkey | pat|nG: It's called amd64 because amd was first with it |
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| 12:06.18 | Wilthril | (please don't punch me ^^) i think i386=x86 and amd64=x64 (roughly) |
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| 12:07.45 | paradoxmonkey | Wilthril: I586, I686 = x86 |
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| 12:08.59 | paradoxmonkey | ^^ also |
| 12:09.11 | Wilthril | yeah also thanks paradoxmonkey :) |
| 12:09.22 | ravenbird | paradoxmonkey: are you using Windows? |
| 12:10.09 | paradoxmonkey | ravenbird: Would you like me to? |
| 12:10.11 | ravenbird | paradoxmonkey: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:10.46 | paradoxmonkey | ravenbird: Why do you want to know if I'm using Windows? |
| 12:10.47 | ravenbird | paradoxmonkey: Bugger all, I dunno. |
| 12:12.23 | liable | @annoy bob2 |
| 12:12.29 | liable | bugger |
| 12:12.37 | paradoxmonkey | ravenbird: Since you wanted to know; I run win7 among others |
| 12:12.38 | ravenbird | paradoxmonkey: (since [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the messages since <nick> last left the channel. |
| 12:12.47 | liable | paradoxmonkey: ravenbird is a bot |
| 12:13.05 | liable | thought it still had the bob2 factoid :( |
| 12:13.47 | liable | ravenbird: annoy bob2 |
| 12:14.03 | liable | slaps the recalcitrant bot |
| 12:14.45 | paradoxmonkey | liable: Why do we/#debian some kind of annoying boot? |
| 12:15.20 | liable | paradoxmonkey: it has a good database of factoids. not sure why it triggered on your comments |
| 12:16.37 | paradoxmonkey | liable: Maybe it was bored? |
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| 12:16.55 | liable | maybe |
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| 12:25.42 | pistache | My debian squeeze installation is failing with "Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-file_5.0.0_i386.deb /var/cach/aptt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.22_i386.deb"; |
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| 12:27.19 | pistache | I tried looking at the logs and I found that it was failing with "unable to execute new pre-installation script: Permission denied" |
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| 12:31.32 | pat|nG | does debian support kde4 right now? |
| 12:33.02 | a_l_e | pat|nG: kde4 is at leastt in debian testing... |
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| 12:35.01 | pat|nG | a_l_e if i ask u onething...which one is better gnome or kde? |
| 12:35.11 | valdyn | !better |
| 12:35.12 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 12:36.00 | pat|nG | ahehehe |
| 12:36.17 | valdyn | pistache: its recommended to use the stable installer unless you want to betatest and report bugs on the squeeze installer |
| 12:36.46 | pistache | valdyn: ok |
| 12:36.48 | pistache | thanks |
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| 12:42.32 | pistache | does the lenny installer support ext4 ? |
| 12:44.41 | ShKoDrAnI | how can i update KDE? |
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| 12:49.01 | ShKoDrAnI | can some1 direct me to a guide on how to update my KDE? |
| 12:50.22 | craigevil | ShKoDrAnI: update kde to what? if you mean kde3> kde4, you would need to update from stable to testing |
| 12:50.53 | ShKoDrAnI | well i want to update from 3.5 which i think i have at the moment to the 4 |
| 12:51.27 | ShKoDrAnI | craigevil: yes i mean to update from 3 to 4 |
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| 12:51.58 | pat|nG | i'm really new to debian so i got a dell 1545 i donwloaded ia64 is it ok? or do i have to download amd64 or i386? |
| 12:52.30 | craigevil | pat|nG: you definitely do not want ia64 |
| 12:52.50 | smhar | greetings |
| 12:53.07 | pat|nG | craigevil i don't know ia64 |
| 12:53.09 | pat|nG | hehe |
| 12:53.23 | pat|nG | does it works on my core 2 duo processor? |
| 12:53.45 | pistache | ia64 ? no. |
| 12:53.47 | pat|nG | coz i tot ia64 is for x64 |
| 12:53.54 | pistache | it's not |
| 12:54.01 | pistache | you want amd64 |
| 12:54.06 | pat|nG | so it won't work? |
| 12:54.11 | pistache | no |
| 12:54.12 | llutz | pat|nG: ia64 is itanium |
| 12:54.17 | pat|nG | so it would be amd64 or i386? |
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| 12:54.48 | smhar | I have an old etch system that I waned to upgrade to squeeze, so I upgraded to lenny, and it was ok, then I upgraded to squeeze and it was ok, but... X is not working |
| 12:54.50 | pat|nG | if i'll need ur suggestions...then which one is for me? |
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| 12:54.58 | pat|nG | amd64 or i386? |
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| 12:55.11 | smhar | so how to setup X again? |
| 12:55.18 | unixSnob | pat|nG: i386 is least likely to give you problems |
| 12:55.59 | raz0 | smhar, Checked the X log? |
| 12:56.14 | craigevil | pat|nG: how much ram? if its 4gb or more you want amd64, if not 1386 is fine |
| 12:56.32 | pistache | pat|nG: what is the reference of your processor ? |
| 12:57.00 | pistache | amd64 is harder to use, because of some incompatibilities |
| 12:57.05 | pistache | I recommend i386 |
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| 12:57.35 | unixSnob | i think amd64 only makes sense *in excess* of 4gb ram |
| 12:57.46 | unixSnob | i386 can handle 4gb |
| 12:57.49 | smhar | raz0, there is an error in log saying: fatal server error, no screen found |
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| 12:58.18 | pistache | smhar: and before that ? |
| 12:59.09 | pat|nG | i got intel processor |
| 12:59.21 | pat|nG | so i'll go for i386 |
| 12:59.25 | pat|nG | thanx for the help |
| 12:59.27 | pat|nG | deng |
| 12:59.42 | pat|nG | i got 3gb out of 4gb from ia64 |
| 12:59.42 | pat|nG | lol |
| 12:59.58 | pat|nG | charged to experience tho |
| 12:59.59 | pat|nG | lol |
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| 13:00.06 | smhar | pistache, X was working, so never had to check the log |
| 13:00.35 | pistache | smhar: I mean before the error in the log |
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| 13:00.58 | pat|nG | pistache: i went to the site and it gives me like DVD-1-iso like 5 of DVD so which one? |
| 13:01.02 | pat|nG | are they the same? |
| 13:01.08 | smhar | raz0, pistache, there is another error saying failed to load module 'nvidia' module does not exist, no drivers available |
| 13:01.30 | raz0 | that'd be a problem |
| 13:01.44 | pat|nG | smhar i think u need to download the driver of ur gfxcard |
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| 13:01.46 | pat|nG | :) |
| 13:01.49 | pat|nG | then compile again |
| 13:02.01 | raz0 | you can probably get it to work by removing the config all together, since Xorg can now work without a config |
| 13:02.03 | pistache | pat|nG: use the small installation CD |
| 13:02.10 | raz0 | but if you want 3d accel, you need to set it up properly |
| 13:02.15 | pistache | netinstall |
| 13:02.28 | pistache | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 13:02.34 | unixSnob | how are module options set in debian? |
| 13:02.52 | pat|nG | pistache: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ ..... if u don't mind can u see this? and tell me which one i'll have to click? |
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| 13:03.04 | pistache | pat|nG: it's not in this directory |
| 13:03.32 | pistache | go to my link |
| 13:03.57 | a_l_e | any idea why i can ping addresses in the local network but not googlecom (even when pinging its IP)? |
| 13:04.35 | pistache | a_l_e: _your default route is bad |
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| 13:04.55 | pat|nG | pistache: i got it |
| 13:04.57 | pistache | a_l_e: paste the result of "route" command, as root |
| 13:05.01 | pat|nG | thanx |
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| 13:05.31 | a_l_e | pistache: in a minute... i decided to reboot and see if this fixes the problem... |
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| 13:06.53 | smhar | raz0, pistache, pat|nG I removed the conf file and it is the same |
| 13:07.17 | a_l_e | pistache: route is not installed... |
| 13:07.53 | a_l_e | route is installed. |
| 13:08.48 | a_l_e | http://pastebin.ch/5035 |
| 13:09.07 | a_l_e | and |
| 13:09.44 | a_l_e | http://pastebin.ch/5036 |
| 13:10.08 | unixSnob | is there a way to change the options on the fly, for a module? |
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| 13:10.30 | a_l_e | but http://pastebin.ch/5037 |
| 13:10.54 | a_l_e | so ping locally works, ping to google not, and the route table looks ok to me.. |
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| 13:13.09 | a_l_e | and i don't have any fancy network equipment: just a adsl router on 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:14.07 | unixSnob | it's always hard to find debian folks who know how to work with modules |
| 13:15.02 | unixSnob | and to worsen it, debian has some screwy nonstandard way to configure modules |
| 13:15.03 | valdyn | unixSnob: that does work the same in debian as in any distro i suppose |
| 13:15.16 | unixSnob | no /etc/modules.conf |
| 13:15.18 | valdyn | unixSnob: yea, does it? |
| 13:15.35 | a_l_e | ok, comparing the route output on my main computer, i see that the default route is missing... |
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| 13:15.54 | erry | hey guys |
| 13:15.59 | erry | can youhelp me install a driver for my wireles |
| 13:16.13 | mino | hi. how can i check if a debian is running in 64bit mode? |
| 13:16.21 | unixSnob | valdyn: there is an /etc/modules, but it only specifies which modules to load.. not what the options are |
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| 13:16.55 | erry | can you help me install the RTL8187B driver |
| 13:16.59 | a_l_e | mmmh... """sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan0""" solves the problem... |
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| 13:17.10 | erry | without installing a backport kernel. |
| 13:17.21 | valdyn | unixSnob: read the modprobe manpage ( and i doubt thats a special debian manpage since its written by Rusty Russel ) |
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| 13:17.29 | a_l_e | but: how can it be that the default is not in there? |
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| 13:17.59 | a_l_e | ... and how can i get the being correctly set on boot? |
| 13:18.02 | unixSnob | valdyn: ty.. i'll check it out. |
| 13:18.08 | valdyn | unixSnob: youre looking for the 2.4 kernel way to configure modules |
| 13:18.45 | unixSnob | valdyn: /etc/modules.conf is a 2.4 artifact? hmm.. i'm running a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:18.54 | erry | hello? |
| 13:18.57 | unixSnob | so no wonder it doesn't exist |
| 13:18.58 | valdyn | unixSnob: yes it is, in a way |
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| 13:19.37 | erry | hello? |
| 13:20.15 | valdyn | a_l_e: man interfaces |
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| 13:21.35 | a_l_e | thanks valdyn! |
| 13:21.53 | erry | -_- |
| 13:21.53 | erry | HELLO |
| 13:23.25 | a_l_e | erry: where are you stuck |
| 13:23.26 | a_l_e | ? |
| 13:23.39 | erry | a_l_e, i want to install a driver for mywireless |
| 13:23.52 | erry | a_l_e, RTL8187B |
| 13:24.02 | erry | allisterb, itried with ndiswrapper but i think ndiswrapper isn't loaded as a module |
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| 13:26.11 | oggei | erry: have you tried rtl8187 driver from linux ? |
| 13:26.11 | a_l_e | errry: have your read http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x ? |
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| 13:26.41 | erry | a_l_e, yes |
| 13:26.49 | erry | it suggested i installed a kernel |
| 13:26.52 | tobago | i have trouble with the nw: Realtek RTL8111/8168B. it's a known bug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=582453 |
| 13:26.57 | erry | a_l_e, i did, and it messed my system up. |
| 13:27.00 | tobago | that is why my usb debian installation fails (the nw can't be detected correctly) |
| 13:27.02 | erry | So obviously it's not a good sollution |
| 13:27.21 | erry | oggei, i dont think i have it installed. My wireless doesn't work. |
| 13:28.08 | oggei | better if you slightly change your attitude otherwise you will stick on problem rather than finding solutions |
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| 13:28.15 | ethanol | question; normally in irssi I can do alt+left/right arrow. however, on my ibook alt is known as option, and both option and command key combined with left/right arrow toggle between consoles |
| 13:28.20 | oggei | but it's only an humble advice, eh. |
| 13:28.21 | ethanol | how can I alter the latter behavior? |
| 13:28.27 | erry | oggei, my attitude is fine |
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| 13:28.39 | oggei | ok have a nice day |
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| 13:28.48 | erry | I will |
| 13:29.04 | erry | oggei, how would you react if the afvice in an official project site messed your system up |
| 13:29.28 | oggei | erry: i'd take some time asking myself if i understood everything |
| 13:29.35 | erry | oggei, yes i did |
| 13:29.35 | oggei | like what are official, what aren't |
| 13:29.42 | erry | it said 'install a backported kernel' |
| 13:29.46 | dirkson | My sound stopped working after a recent update. Generally, sound has Just Worked in the past in debian. Alsamixer still has the right sound card selected as default. What else should I be checking here? |
| 13:29.47 | oggei | but this isn't a problem as your attitude is perfectly well |
| 13:29.53 | oggei | so kthxbye |
| 13:29.56 | erry | Ok fine |
| 13:29.59 | erry | my attitude is bad |
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| 13:30.08 | erry | whatever |
| 13:30.10 | ethanol | question; normally in irssi I can do alt+left/right arrow. however, on my ibook alt is known as option, and both option and command key combined with left/right arrow toggle between consoles. how can I disable the latter behavior? |
| 13:30.13 | erry | now can you help me fix my driver |
| 13:30.28 | a_l_e | valdyn: i could not find anything useful to me in the interfaces man pages ... ive tried """setting up your iP address""" in http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup ... i will after the next reboot if it did work.. |
| 13:30.31 | oggei | no, i lost any interest in it (but maybe someone else not) |
| 13:30.44 | erry | oggei, well your english is worse than my attitude, bitch |
| 13:30.57 | ethanol | such hostility |
| 13:31.02 | oggei | but my wireless work better than yours :D *plonk* |
| 13:31.03 | erry | ethanol, oh really |
| 13:31.06 | ethanol | why is this erry person not yet removed from this channel? |
| 13:31.06 | erry | Do you know what i was told |
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| 13:31.13 | erry | i was told to put someones dick in my cunt |
| 13:31.16 | erry | you call that not hostile |
| 13:31.23 | erry | but nobodycare |
| 13:31.24 | erry | d |
| 13:31.47 | erry | so |
| 13:31.48 | erry | yeah |
| 13:32.03 | a_l_e | erry: as i read the wiki page, you don't need to install a backport kernel |
| 13:32.04 | erry | i asked you a simple question |
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| 13:32.12 | erry | a_l_e, read the part about Lenny |
| 13:32.38 | erry | Lenny users: |
| 13:32.38 | erry | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.39 | erry | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.43 | a_l_e | ah, yes, you hae a 87B module... |
| 13:32.44 | dirkson | Hey all. My sound stopped working after a recent update. Generally, sound has Just Worked in the past in debian, so I don't know what tools it uses for sound. Alsamixer still has the right sound card selected as default. What else should I be checking here? |
| 13:32.55 | heroxbd | Hello. I am trying to enable 256color in debian shipped package screen. following debbug #348099, I did the settings that should work out of box. But I still can't get 256 colors. |
| 13:33.01 | a_l_e | dirkson: the volume? |
| 13:33.05 | a_l_e | (and i'm not joking) |
| 13:33.05 | erry | a_l_e, said kernel did not work with my system. At all. |
| 13:33.09 | smhar | ok.. here is the problem. during the upgrade from lenny to squeeze, some programs were removed, it seems. trying to install xserver-xorg is not working as it tries to remove nvidia-glx but gives the error: can not remove /usr/lib/libGL.so. no such file or directory |
| 13:33.45 | a_l_e | erry: then -- following the official documentation -- you are stuck and have to wait for your system being supported. |
| 13:33.59 | dirkson | a_l_e: *checks this* Actually, it looks like "This sound device does not have any playback controls". Perhaps this is the problem. |
| 13:34.00 | erry | a_l_e, it works fine in ubuntu |
| 13:34.17 | oggei | erry: so switch distro and irc chan \o/ |
| 13:34.22 | ethanol | erry: then use ubuntu? |
| 13:34.22 | erry | a_l_e, can you help me load ndiswrapper as a module |
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| 13:34.31 | a_l_e | erry: i guess the ubuntu channel will welcome you :-) |
| 13:34.35 | erry | a_l_e, no |
| 13:34.36 | erry | they hate me |
| 13:34.43 | oggei | rotfl |
| 13:34.55 | a_l_e | erry: i can't understand why they can be so unssnesible! |
| 13:35.04 | dirkson | a_l_e: Still don't know how to fix this :-/ Used to work. Used to work fine. Now my firefox soundcard has crapped out. |
| 13:35.18 | erry | can somebodyhelp me load the usbcore module |
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| 13:35.58 | a_l_e | erry: you made my day! |
| 13:36.02 | oggei | dirkson: have you checked twice all mixer stuff ? sometimes volumes tends to get screwed, a_l_e is right |
| 13:36.08 | erry | Thank you |
| 13:36.11 | erry | and you made mine |
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| 13:36.49 | dirkson | oggei: That's what I mentioned- There /is/ no mixer stuff anymore. Alsamixer displays the right sound card, but claims it ha.... Oh. That's NOT the right usb mixer. That's the microphone mixer. Of course it doesn't have any playback controls. |
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| 13:38.34 | dirkson | oggei: So it looks like alsa isn't setting the correct card as default. (I.e. It's trying to play youtube through my microphone) ... What's the appropriate debian tool to tell it, "No. That's stupid." |
| 13:39.21 | oggei | dirkson: mic != soundcard, recheck everything |
| 13:39.43 | dirkson | oggei: Mic = soundcard. It's a usb mic, and makes its own little soundcardy thing. |
| 13:40.26 | oggei | dirkson: mic != soundcard, and anyway you don't specified that you have such a thing before |
| 13:40.51 | dirkson | oggei: This mic /is/ a soundcard. At least as far as alsa's concerned |
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| 13:41.37 | oggei | restart computer w/o that thing inserted, maybe alsa enumerate differently starting with usb soundcard = hw0,0 |
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| 13:42.48 | oggei | that's definitely not my day, i'll do something else more productive cya |
| 13:42.51 | dirkson | oggei: Probably, but that doesn't fix my problem, and I see no reason to restart the entire computer. |
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| 13:43.58 | oggei | dirkson: you're right, so restart alsa subsystem w/o usb thing inserted |
| 13:44.01 | dirkson | Is there just no debian tool to do this? Google is drawing an utter blank with me. |
| 13:44.10 | dirkson | oggei: That still does not fix my problem. |
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| 13:44.55 | oggei | i'm very sorry and hope you forgive me |
| 13:46.17 | dirkson | I begin to dislike Just Works. It's awesome when it does, but it means that no one know WTF to do when it doesn't. |
| 13:46.23 | unixSnob | finally I can record input audio!! damn "esd" process was interefering all along |
| 13:46.36 | abrotman | dirkson: did you try restarting the browser ? |
| 13:46.54 | dirkson | abrotman: I'm testing using mplayer, restarting it every time I restart alsa. |
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| 13:47.19 | unixSnob | dirkson: make sure you kill esd.. that process often interferes with audio |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | !tell dirkson about alsa checklist |
| 13:48.28 | dirkson | abrotman: *goes through everything* Nope. |
| 13:48.46 | abrotman | sound fails for root also? |
| 13:49.07 | dirkson | abrotman: Yes. Unsurprisingly, as the default sound card is still a microphone, no matter which user I happen to be. |
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| 13:49.38 | abrotman | so you went through the alsa docs about changing your default sound card ? |
| 13:50.16 | dirkson | abrotman: They are... Less than useful. I did what they suggested, to no avail. |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | so following the instructions, you failed to change the default? |
| 13:50.46 | dirkson | abrotman: Indeed. |
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| 13:51.12 | smhar | ok.. here is the problem. during the upgrade from lenny to squeeze, some programs were removed, it seems. trying to install xserver-xorg is not working as it tries to remove nvidia-glx but gives the error: can not remove /usr/lib/libGL.so. no such file or directory |
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| 13:51.49 | hid3 | GOdd afternoon everyone. |
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| 13:52.50 | abrotman | dirkson: i'd say you did it wrong |
| 13:53.04 | abrotman | smhar: touch /usr/lib/libGL.so |
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| 13:54.36 | dirkson | abrotman: Probably. But that's the way the alsa docs say to do it. |
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| 13:57.31 | dirkson | abrotman: I CAN make aplay play out the noise by specifying which command, so I know the sound card works, at least. |
| 13:57.45 | WormFood | is "testing" stable enough for a production server, or should I just stick with stable? |
| 13:57.48 | abrotman | ITYM specifying which card |
| 13:58.02 | abrotman | WormFood: depends how much production you need out of it |
| 13:58.27 | WormFood | just web serving, dns, irc server, sql...basic internet stuff |
| 13:58.36 | dirkson | abrotman: I did mean that. |
| 13:58.49 | abrotman | WormFood: uh .. hell no |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | it's missing DSA support |
| 13:59.06 | WormFood | yeah, thats what I thought |
| 13:59.15 | dirkson | would go for stable for that. IS using stable for that. |
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| 13:59.44 | WormFood | that is what I run on my other production servers...just wanted to double check, and make sure I wasn't "missing out" |
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| 14:01.26 | WormFood | does anyone have a url to a python 2.6 package for stable? (I'm sure someone has make a deb of python 2.5 for debian 5.0) |
| 14:01.42 | faribisch | Hi. I'm having trouble with the nfs-kernel-server module loading. I'm on a VPS hosting with Debian 5 (lenny). lsmod is blank. Any pointers please?? |
| 14:02.34 | WormFood | faribisch, most likely, they simply didn't make the module available to you...I had problems like that with my previous host (stuff like that is why I changed hosts) |
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| 14:03.01 | pistache | faribisch: you will need to use nfs-user-server, sir |
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| 14:05.04 | abrotman | WormFood: python2.6 just hit unstable like two days ago .. |
| 14:05.18 | alokito | why isn't there a graphical apt frontend in debian xfce/lxde unstable? |
| 14:05.37 | faribisch | Thanks WormFood. I have root access to the my virtual server, but I guess the modules needs to be installed on the host as well? I will try nfs-user-server, but saw a forum post about it being slow and unstable. What's your experience? Thanks. |
| 14:05.46 | alokito | and why can't I install virtualbox guest additions in it? |
| 14:06.16 | alokito | !synaptic |
| 14:06.39 | WormFood | interesting...since 2.6 has been out for a little while now |
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| 14:07.18 | superlinux | hi all. what is thebasic requirements to build an application as 32bit on 64bit machine? |
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| 14:07.35 | WormFood | maybe I have my numbers off...maybe it was 2.5 that I needed, not 2.6 |
| 14:07.51 | abrotman | alokito: you can install synaptic if you really want it |
| 14:08.13 | alokito | abrotman, yes I really want it to browse the packages |
| 14:08.45 | alokito | abrotman, but apt-get install synaptic isn't working, says other packages mention it but it's not in repo |
| 14:09.17 | abrotman | judd: versions synaptic |
| 14:09.18 | judd | abrotman: synaptic -- etch: 0.57.11.1+b1 lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1 sid: 0.63 squeeze: 0.63 |
| 14:09.23 | abrotman | seems there to me ? |
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| 14:09.58 | abrotman | alokito: `aptitude update && aptitude install synaptic` .. pastebin the command and the output |
| 14:10.18 | alokito | abrotman, ok, wait |
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| 14:10.31 | dutchfish | i have a strange mount problem: When i insert a usbstick with fat32 it automounts correctly and is useable, when i umont it i get no errors and it does umount, when i close down the machine it hangs on a process without ever ending; debian squeeze/X86_64, any hints to solve this? |
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| 14:11.54 | superlinux | abrotman, can you answer my question? |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | superlinux: you probably want a chroot or a VM, your choice |
| 14:12.50 | superlinux | mmm.... |
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| 14:13.11 | abrotman | the VM type of solution is probably easier for a less experienced person |
| 14:13.27 | dutchfish | superlinux, pbuilder is another nice option |
| 14:13.51 | superlinux | well I am a programmer by trade.. so I think I must sail through the harder option |
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| 14:14.19 | abrotman | superlinux: if you check the debian-amd64 docs .. they have a section on a 32bit chroot |
| 14:14.19 | superlinux | dutchfish, i'll see |
| 14:14.37 | superlinux | ok thanks. I will install the docs. |
| 14:15.00 | dutchfish | superlinux, once you have mastered it, you wont leave it, it can automate alot without messing up your build machine |
| 14:15.22 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | superlinux: i think they're online |
| 14:15.43 | dutchfish | for quick backports ask dpkg |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
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| 14:16.35 | alokito | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/d74dad1d0 |
| 14:17.26 | abrotman | alokito: you don't have an http source .. where are you geographically ? |
| 14:17.31 | superlinux | abrotman, not in the CD/DVD packages? |
| 14:17.39 | superlinux | only online? |
| 14:17.52 | alokito | abrotman, bangladesh |
| 14:17.57 | abrotman | superlinux: no idea .. that's just where i know it to be |
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| 14:18.17 | superlinux | ok mate. thanks. I will read |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | alokito: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. add this line "deb http://mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in/debian/ squeeze main" .. then `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install synaptic" |
| 14:18.57 | alokito | abrotman, ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:20.33 | MariachiAC | Hello. i've got debain testing successfully installed. However i've got a problem. I c an't install elinks usign aptitude. i installed spidermonkey-bin and downloaded the source. However it does not find that i've got spider monkey installed. Can anyone give me some suggestions as to what I can do? |
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| 14:24.28 | dirkson | abrotman: Doesn't appear to be a debian tool to do much of anything with alsa, and #alsa is almost as useless as their wiki. |
| 14:24.37 | paradoxmonkey | This 'Waiting for br0 to get ready' at boot is it necessary even if I have a bridge? Currently it delays the boot by 32 seconds. |
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| 14:25.46 | themill | dirkson: #alsa is normally quite excellent although not always fast to respond. Be patient and give them time. |
| 14:25.47 | dirkson | I just want to watch Blake's 7 : ( |
| 14:26.28 | dirkson | themill: Well, they've already helped, and suggested more changes that don't actually appear to have an effect on alsa. (Much like the changes posted in their wiki) |
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| 14:27.21 | gordonjcp | dirkson: yay, Blake's 7 |
| 14:27.27 | dirkson | abrotman: You know google actually /suggests/ you? I type "abrotm" and it says "Abrotman!" |
| 14:27.40 | dirkson | gordonjcp: ^.^ I like it quite a bit |
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| 14:27.50 | dirkson | gordonjcp: I identify with Avon a little too much, I think. |
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| 14:29.31 | ethanol | is there a command line client for msn? |
| 14:30.04 | dirkson | ethanol: finch ? |
| 14:30.15 | ethanol | will look into that |
| 14:30.36 | dirkson | ethanol: It's a command line pidgin, so it'll do msn. I think centericq will do msn too, but I think it hasn't been updated in a while |
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| 14:31.22 | ethanol | pidgin is great :) |
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| 14:31.28 | ethanol | so this should do fine |
| 14:31.35 | gordonjcp | dirkson: hah |
| 14:32.09 | azeem | hrm, what package corresponds mozilla-lightning to? iceowl-extension? |
| 14:32.22 | gordonjcp | dirkson: I'd like to think I identify with Avon but mostly I feel like Gan |
| 14:32.30 | azeem | apparently so |
| 14:32.35 | ethanol | wow it has been a long time since I tried debian on my ibook, but things have come quite far. loving it so far <3 |
| 14:32.45 | dirkson | gordonjcp: I can understand that ^^ I liked him too. |
| 14:32.48 | superlinux | dutchfish, all I want is just to build mplayer |
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| 14:33.29 | dirkson | gordonjcp: Well, Avon is all analytical and doesn't really get along with people, but when push comes to shove, there's no question that he's going to help his friends. |
| 14:33.30 | superlinux | dutchfish, i have the tar.bz2 of mplayer |
| 14:33.50 | Chris64 | hi all |
| 14:33.56 | superlinux | i hope that you have the time to guide me. |
| 14:34.02 | ethanol | wow, finch has quite a lot of dependencies (or maybe that's just because I only installed a bare minimum system) |
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| 14:34.08 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:34.46 | Chris64 | i have a big problem: it's still impossible to install lenny (32 and 64) into virtualpc or virtualbox, can you recommend me a tutorial which shows how to get it working? |
| 14:34.48 | gordonjcp | dirkson: technically since a lot of my work involves getting access to places where most people aren't allowed to go, I suppose I'm more like Vila ;-) |
| 14:34.48 | eptalon | I am looking for a tool to "shrink/convert" a movie so I can watch it on my portable player, ie. to a res of 400x240. |
| 14:35.03 | eptalon | I do have sid. |
| 14:35.08 | dirkson | gordonjcp: That sounds cool ^.^ |
| 14:35.18 | dirkson | gordonjcp: *puts a white hat on you* There you go ^^ |
| 14:35.22 | gordonjcp | heh |
| 14:35.22 | cahoot | eptalon: mencoder? |
| 14:35.42 | gordonjcp | dirkson: you'd be amazed how inconspicuous a white Transit van and a high-vis jacket can make you |
| 14:35.50 | eptalon | cahoot: some are dvds others are xvids. |
| 14:36.09 | gordonjcp | you can stick on a high-vis jacket, park your van in the middle of a busy road with the hazard lights on, and *no-one sees you* |
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| 14:36.21 | erry | hi |
| 14:36.23 | erry | im sorry boutbefore |
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| 14:36.25 | Chris64 | i'll going crazy today.... on virtualpc lenny can't mount the cd drive it runs from. on virtualbox it crashes on apt install |
| 14:36.26 | erry | :( |
| 14:36.43 | dirkson | pats erry, "You got angry. It 'appens." |
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| 14:36.50 | erry | :) |
| 14:36.53 | eptalon | cahoot: was looking about encoding to mpeg4, not sure if mencoder can do it. |
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| 14:37.08 | erry | purrss |
| 14:37.11 | MariachiAC | No recommendationss for elinks? |
| 14:37.23 | eptalon | player doesn't seem to have a lot of documentation, so I'll need to try a few times |
| 14:37.28 | erry | ^_^ |
| 14:37.29 | ravenbird | erry: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 14:37.41 | erry | which manual? |
| 14:37.42 | cahoot | eptalon: mencoder can produce mpeg4 |
| 14:37.51 | erry | cause i don't have a manual on F'ing |
| 14:37.52 | erry | jk |
| 14:37.53 | erry | :p |
| 14:38.04 | dirkson | erry: What'd you need help with, anyway? Do you still need help? My problem is annoying me, I may as well help someone else. |
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| 14:38.28 | eptalon | cahoot: other things supported seem to be avi; found transcode, but that does not have a frontend/gui it seems. |
| 14:38.36 | Chris64 | do you all have no problems with installing debian into virtualbox? |
| 14:38.43 | erry | i need help with my st00pid wireless driver. I found a linux driver for it from another forum. it seems to work. BUT nm-applet finds no wireless networks. |
| 14:38.51 | eptalon | Chris64: not really. |
| 14:39.11 | Chris64 | great :8 |
| 14:39.13 | Chris64 | :( |
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| 14:40.50 | eptalon | On another note, is there an app that can "normalize" ID3 tags for audio files (flac, ogg, mp3)? |
| 14:41.49 | dirkson | erry: That /does/ sound difficult. |
| 14:41.58 | llutz | eptalon: normalize? kid3, easytag maybe? |
| 14:42.45 | markinfo | ist there some bug im CUPS in testing? Under http://localhost:631/jobs/ are links to the jobs like "http://debian-xfce:0/printers/hplip-Officejet_Pro_L7700" debian-xfce is the name of my PC. Beside of it, there is in access_log something like localhost - - [17/Jan/2010:15:23:23 +0100] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 179 Get-Jobs client-error-bad-request but it prints. |
| 14:43.03 | erry | dirkson, :P |
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| 14:44.51 | eptalon | llutz: like having artist name spelled the same on several files. |
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| 14:48.26 | abrotman | dirkson: i'm scared |
| 14:48.54 | abrotman | dirkson: though most of the top results aren't me .. which is good i guess |
| 14:49.13 | Renfield | Something seems to be wrong with apt-get. It used to figure out dependencies automatically, and get the needed packages. Now, it just tells me what the unmet dependencies are, and I must append them to my install line. How do I go back to the more convenient way? |
| 14:49.57 | dirkson | abrotman: ^.^ You've helped me so many times, I started to wonder if you were some debian dev or something, so I tried to check ^^ |
| 14:50.12 | abrotman | dirkson: i'm not a DD |
| 14:50.44 | abrotman | dirkson: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 you've done that with /etc/asound.conf ? |
| 14:51.00 | dirkson | abrotman: Aye, I have. |
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| 14:52.17 | tobago | i have an network card driver problem: the setup_netinst doesn't contain the r8169 module. i downloaded it, but i don't know how to include it into the debian netinst? |
| 14:53.17 | tobago | the module can be downloaded here: http://download.openteo.org/r8168_1-2_2.6.24.19.deb |
| 14:55.00 | ethanol | dirkson: I can't seem to get connected using finch. but I don't see any errors either :< |
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| 14:55.33 | bio-tty | question -- the two tar-balls you get when doing apt-get source some-package will always be able to produce the directory some-package/ you get, by applying the debian diff to orig? |
| 14:55.33 | dirkson | ethanol: Is your pidgin configured on that computer? It's generally WAY easier to make pidgin work, then start up finch and have it Just Work. Mostly. |
| 14:55.43 | ethanol | no, it is not |
| 14:55.50 | ethanol | I was not aware I had to seperately configure it |
| 14:56.16 | dirkson | ethanol: Theoretically finch has a method to configure itself. In practice, it sucks a lot harder than the pidgin gui. |
| 14:56.39 | ethanol | I have no X though |
| 14:56.42 | ethanol | only command line |
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| 14:56.50 | ethanol | does pidgin work from cli? |
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| 14:57.29 | abrotman | ethanol: finch |
| 14:57.38 | bio-tty | question -- apt-get source gives two tarballs and a directory. is the directory always redundant? |
| 14:57.46 | craigevil | irssi+bitlbee :) irc,yahoo, msn, icq, aol |
| 14:57.56 | abrotman | ethanol: if you've configured pidgin correctly, finch shold work |
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| 14:58.21 | geitenneuker | ethanol, are you here? |
| 14:58.24 | ethanol | hrm |
| 14:58.34 | ethanol | it seems that the moment I connect, it connects, and then just disconnects |
| 14:58.38 | ethanol | no error in the debug window |
| 14:58.48 | geitenneuker | i use a pigthing, but it uses at least to much cpu |
| 14:59.00 | themill | bio-tty: the directory is the unpacked source ready to be built. |
| 14:59.15 | ethanol | abrotman: I have installed finch, and also pidgin. but cannot start pidgin cause it requires X |
| 14:59.33 | abrotman | you can still configure your accounts in finch |
| 14:59.39 | ethanol | I did that |
| 14:59.57 | geitenneuker | i can kill my neighbour with sudo kill him | grep neighbor |
| 14:59.59 | abrotman | ethanol: which type of account ? |
| 15:00.10 | ethanol | msn |
| 15:00.11 | abrotman | geitenneuker: do you need Debian help? |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | ethanol: which versoin of pidgin ? |
| 15:00.19 | bio-tty | themill: and it is always just the orig with the diff applied? |
| 15:00.21 | ethanol | not sure |
| 15:00.22 | geitenneuker | yes |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | geitenneuker: if you have a question, please ask, otherwise, please be quiet |
| 15:00.40 | ethanol | both pidgin and finch say 2.4.3 |
| 15:00.45 | bio-tty | themill: i'm refering to the *orig tarball and the *diff tarball that you also get. |
| 15:00.45 | abrotman | !tell ethanol about bpo |
| 15:00.49 | geitenneuker | pigthing uses to much cpu for no reason |
| 15:00.54 | abrotman | ethanol: install the pidgin/finch from backports.org |
| 15:00.58 | ethanol | will do |
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| 15:01.54 | themill | bio-tty: yes, that's how it's actually made. apt-get source grabs the .dsc, .diff.gz .orig.tar.gz and then calls dpkg-source -x to unpack them. You could download the three manually if you wanted, or use "dget" with the URL to the dsc. |
| 15:02.21 | bio-tty | themill: okay, thanks. |
| 15:02.35 | Chris64 | installing 32bit lenny into virtualbox worked now |
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| 15:06.32 | ethanol | hrm, aptitude -t bpo show finch shows 2.6.x, but when I do aptitude -t bpo install finch I end up with 2.4.3 :< |
| 15:06.40 | ethanol | could it be because of apt cache? |
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| 15:07.11 | tobias | is there a way to avoid starting services when running apt-get install? i'm installing in a chroot and i don't want anything to be started, because it might fail |
| 15:07.32 | tobias | (due to port being in use, etc.) |
| 15:07.44 | abrotman | ethanol: aptitude -t lenny-backports install finch |
| 15:07.53 | themill | ethanol: your -t is wrong... use the output of "apt-cache policy finch" to get the right value as abrotman just spoonfed you! |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | runs away |
| 15:09.15 | ethanol | aha |
| 15:09.17 | ethanol | thanks |
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| 15:14.22 | tobago | how to add firmware (in my case a module for nw) to the debian netinstallation? |
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| 15:35.53 | pzn | I already removed all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, and apt-get update is still trying to reach dl.google.com do you know why? |
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| 15:37.59 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:38.00 | themill | pzn: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list |
| 15:38.39 | tobago | how to add my firmware .deb package (in my case a module for nw) to the debian netinstallation? i put it into /firmware. but it didn't help. the nw was not recognized. |
| 15:38.54 | pzn | themill: thanks. solved. it was there. added automatically by google chrome |
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| 15:40.21 | Chris64 | i would run a google chromium fork instead of google chrome itself |
| 15:41.22 | bsharitt | I just migrated one of my machines from Ubuntu to Debian and having an odd DNS problem |
| 15:41.35 | bio-tty | is there a package or other way where i get bzip2 and gzip statically linked? |
| 15:41.42 | tobago | i still can't install debian, because it can't recognize my realtek network card. hwo to add r8168_1-2_2.6.24.19.deb to the installation? |
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| 15:41.58 | tobago | how |
| 15:42.06 | Renfield | I'm trying to upgrade to squeeze. Aptitude says that it will remove xserver-xorg-video-all. This doesn't seem like a wise decision, does it? |
| 15:42.24 | pzn | Chris64: what are the diff between chrome and chromium? |
| 15:42.26 | bsharitt | Normally when I do a new OS install, the host name populates to the DNS entries in my router and I can ping/access by host name, but this new debian box isn't giving up its hostname to DNS |
| 15:43.02 | Renfield | Is there a different package in squeeze for xorg output drivers? |
| 15:43.41 | craigevil | Renfield: xserver-xorg-video-all is just a metapackage, its fine to let it be removed |
| 15:44.45 | Renfield | craigevil: Well the description says that xserver-xorg-video-DRIVER is not installable (where DRIVER seems to be the complete set of drivers, including the one I use). |
| 15:44.46 | bsharitt | normally the hostname just pops right up in DNS, but that's not happening now. does Debian require one extra step over Ubuntu/Fedora/etc? |
| 15:45.00 | bio-tty | question -- is there a package or other way where i get bzip2 and gzip statically linked? |
| 15:45.05 | tobago | and i need the network card for the debian net installation (unfortunately there is no offline installation routine). how to add the needed r8168_1-2_2.6.24.19.deb to my debian net installation routine? |
| 15:45.37 | Renfield | Further adding to the confusion, is that if I do apt-get -s dist-upgrade, it does show that it will upgrade xserver-xorg-video-*. |
| 15:46.13 | rgammans | Renfield: Thats what it did for me. its ok. It because -all doesn't have the same set of packages in lenny as in squeeze |
| 15:46.30 | jelly-home | bsharitt: hm. Uncomment/edit send host-name and send dhcp-client-idnetifier lines in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ? |
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| 15:46.38 | Chris64 | pzn: google chrome has some anti-privacy features if you understand what i mean |
| 15:46.42 | themill | bio-tty: try the busybox-static package. |
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| 15:46.58 | Renfield | rgammans: Ok, I'll try this. I hope I don't loose X, because it will be more of a pain to get online to search out how to get it back again. |
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| 15:47.13 | jelly-home | bsharitt: then down the interface, make sure dhclient is dead (kill it if need be), and ifup it back |
| 15:47.28 | themill | tobago: precisely what network card do you have? the PCI-Id would be handy form "lspci -nn" if you have a live-cd handy. |
| 15:47.41 | hid3 | Anyone have any idea of debian "Squeeze" release date? I've heard it will be in many ways much different from Lenny.. |
| 15:47.58 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 15:47.58 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
| 15:48.03 | tobago | themill, Realtek RTL8111/8168B |
| 15:48.11 | hid3 | Thanks! |
| 15:48.24 | Renfield | freezed? Not frozen? |
| 15:48.25 | hid3 | Thought it was already frosen, dunno why... |
| 15:48.28 | jelly-home | hid3: so, 3-12 months after March 2010... |
| 15:48.38 | pat|nG | what's the cmd to have a 3D desktop on debian? |
| 15:48.42 | hid3 | Renfield: who cares? ;-D |
| 15:48.46 | eightfold | i have some lines for iptables that i want to add (like " iptables -A OUTPUT -o tun0 -j REJECT "). how do i get them to apply even if the computer is restarted? |
| 15:48.55 | eightfold | should they be run via shellscript? |
| 15:48.57 | hid3 | ok.. so we still have some time! :D |
| 15:49.05 | hid3 | at least half a year ;-) |
| 15:49.07 | themill | judd pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 15:49.09 | judd | themill: [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 15:49.10 | jelly-home | Renfield: frozen, but "freeze" is both a jargon term and a factoid that can be looked up |
| 15:49.22 | Renfield | Oh. |
| 15:49.29 | henry-nicolas | Hi *, I'm trying to package tacacs+ for debian, I want to make it lintian clean but I got this error : script-in-etc-init.d-not-registered-via-update-rc.d, while my postinst script is like that : http://pastebin.org/77704 Any idea why I got that error ? |
| 15:49.34 | themill | tobago: see judd's last line; that should be supported straight out of the box by the lenny installer. |
| 15:49.40 | bsharitt | jelly-home: thanks, that did it. |
| 15:49.49 | hid3 | !tell me about squeeze kernel |
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| 15:49.55 | jelly-home | bsharitt: I'm not sure which one of the two does it |
| 15:50.01 | erry | oh oh :( |
| 15:50.41 | hid3 | Heh.. Squeeze is going to be with 2.6.32... I already run my custom 2.6.32.3 ;-) |
| 15:50.49 | bio-tty | themill: thanks again. heh, youre the one helping out each time |
| 15:50.57 | tobago | themill, the card should be supported by the lenny installer? but the installation routine can't detect the card. that is why i can't go on. |
| 15:51.40 | tobago | themill, i created a usb debian netinstallation by the unetbootin tool. |
| 15:51.42 | hid3 | judd pciid 02:02.0 |
| 15:51.43 | judd | hid3: Error: I don't know what you mean by PCI Id '02:02.0'. 0000:0000 is my preferred format where both vendor Id and device Id are are in hexadecimal. You can find the PCI Id in the output of 'lspci -nn'. |
| 15:51.52 | ethanol | how can I install php without install all the silly dependencies like apache and such (I want to use it with nginx which I installed from source) |
| 15:52.13 | hid3 | oh crap. no support for older pci ids?! |
| 15:52.20 | themill | hid3: that's not a pci-id. |
| 15:52.21 | jelly-home | hid3: that's pretty much the same version. Kernel package changelog contains the actual upstream vanilla version last synced with. |
| 15:52.22 | Chris64 | did you search for alternative php packages in debian repositories? |
| 15:53.05 | ethanol | ? |
| 15:53.30 | themill | ethanol: the php packages require a package that Provides: httpd to be installed. You'd do better to use the debian nginx packages which do that. You could also /msg dpkg equivs |
| 15:53.33 | hid3 | jelly-home: yeah, know that. I will always try to make my own custom kernel, though. I like to keep things small/simple/clean & run it fast! |
| 15:53.48 | ethanol | how can I mark nginx as installed? |
| 15:54.13 | ethanol | I tried &m |
| 15:54.18 | ethanol | but it gives me an error |
| 15:54.54 | themill | ethanol: you can't just mark a package as installed that isn't. Either use the debian packages (perhaps making yor own backport if truly necessary) or /msg dpkg equivs. |
| 15:54.57 | hid3 | judd pciid 9005:0081 |
| 15:55.02 | jelly-home | hid3: me too, that's why I've switched to using distro default kernel. :-D |
| 15:55.02 | judd | hid3: [9005:0081] is 'AIC-7892B U160/m' from 'Adaptec' with kernel module 'aic7xxx' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=9005:0081 |
| 15:55.29 | themill | tobago: you can let the installer complete the base system installation off any of the CD images (except the business card image) and then sort it out at the end. |
| 15:55.37 | hid3 | jelly-home: you wanna say it's faster/cleaner/better than your custom one?! |
| 15:55.52 | hid3 | judd pciid 9004:7895 |
| 15:55.54 | judd | hid3: [9004:7895] is 'AHA-2940U/UW / AHA-39xx / AIC-7895' from 'Adaptec' with kernel module 'aic7xxx' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=9004:7895 |
| 15:56.08 | hid3 | Oh. same driver for both! great! :D |
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| 15:56.22 | jelly-home | hid3: it's much simpler and cleaner to manage and run it |
| 15:56.23 | themill | hid3: you can "/msg judd pciid 1234:5678" too |
| 15:56.35 | hid3 | Thanks! :D |
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| 15:57.20 | tobago | themill, no cd- image. i use an usb device for installation. and the routine doesn't go on without having installed the network card, which fails. |
| 15:57.34 | hid3 | jelly-home: agree. But mine usually is less than 1000 kB in size and has got only those things I need. Plus I can do some experiments, patch it with various patches & etc.. |
| 15:57.56 | jelly-home | hid3: I can do other things with the time saved |
| 15:58.24 | jelly-home | like... watch pron! |
| 15:59.02 | hid3 | I get bored often. That's why I like to spend more time with my kernel! :D It's like a neverending discussion |
| 16:00.17 | superlinux | I noticed that using in C++ #include <iostream> , and compiling as 32bit in a 64bit box makes a trouble. the fix for this is a missing symlink: cd /usr/lib32/ ; ln -s libstdc++.so.6 libstdc++.so |
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| 16:01.12 | superlinux | so compiling hello_world.cpp will show you troubles, unless you do the fix above |
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| 16:02.29 | jandro | I need to alter a dependency of a package. Would I archive that editing the control file inside control.tar.gz? |
| 16:02.43 | Fazer2 | hey, I downloaded Debian 5 image and see that I can't create ext4 partitions |
| 16:03.07 | themill | !wayttd jandro |
| 16:03.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jandro? |
| 16:03.13 | jelly-home | Fazer2: you can create them, but the default kernel won't be able to mount them |
| 16:03.37 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: should I use some newer version of Debian? |
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| 16:04.21 | jelly-home | !tell Fazer2 about ext4 |
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| 16:04.45 | jandro | dpkg, themill: It is the driver for a canon printer, it depends on libcupsys2, but it is libcups2 what comes in the testing repositories. |
| 16:04.46 | dpkg | jandro: what are you talking about? |
| 16:05.21 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: I know what ext4 is, but I'm trying to install Debian from scratch and see that the installer doesn't allow me to use ext4 partitions |
| 16:05.48 | jelly-home | Fazer2: that's correct, the installer doesn't support it. Have you read the wiki page? |
| 16:05.59 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: no |
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| 16:06.47 | themill | jandro: the chance that changing the dependency like that is actually going to work is pretty slim, but you could try. If you can get the source code for the driver then changing it there and recompiling is more likely to be successful. |
| 16:06.48 | jandro | dpkg: that's why I'm looking for a way of altering what that driver depends on |
| 16:06.48 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jandro |
| 16:06.54 | themill | !bot |
| 16:06.55 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 16:07.20 | dokma | hi guys. can anyone tell me if scripts in /etc/network/if-down.d/ are executed before of after the interfaces are brought down? |
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| 16:07.58 | dokma | I am trying to find a good point to put unmounts for sshfs drives |
| 16:08.15 | jelly-home | Fazer2: installers with updated kernels are available at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/. Their kernel itself supports ext4, but you may have to mkfs manually |
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| 16:08.55 | jandro | dpkg: :) sorry for that, the idea of such possibility just poped up in my head |
| 16:08.56 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, jandro |
| 16:09.51 | themill | dpkg, confuse jandro |
| 16:09.51 | dpkg | No, who is our pineapple today, jandro? Wellies of the People's Republic of Belarus with extra ham. |
| 16:10.01 | jandro | themill: Ok, I'll give a try to what you suggest |
| 16:10.17 | jelly-home | Fazer2: also, the version of grub2 in lenny might be not fresh enough to support having /boot/ on ext4 |
| 16:10.47 | jelly-home | Fazer2: in short, it can be made to work, but is somewhat not trivial |
| 16:10.53 | jandro | dpkg: what are you talking about? |
| 16:11.05 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: what if I download a testing version of Debian? |
| 16:11.08 | jelly-home | Fazer2: in addition I'd advise against using that fs in production environments |
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| 16:12.50 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: it's just for home usage |
| 16:13.17 | paradoxmonkey | Is it possible to get rid of this "Waiting 32 seconds for br0 to get ready" at boot? |
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| 16:13.57 | jelly-home | Fazer2: I don't know. Have you read the wiki page and clicked on the "internal Squeeze release goal"? |
| 16:14.07 | markit | hi, anyone can give me some tip about btrfs? I need to install debian sid 64 in a new hd that I want to format with btrfs so I can avoid the LVM2 layer |
| 16:14.21 | markit | but I've no idea about how do it right, very few info around |
| 16:14.44 | markit | i.e. the relation among "volumes" and "partitions" |
| 16:14.49 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: reading it now |
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| 16:16.36 | jelly-home | Fazer2: I don't use installers often, and the testing installer changes often. It's anyone's guess whether it'll work or not |
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| 16:20.40 | Fazer2 | jelly-home: ok, I'll install Debian 5 and see how it's like, thanks for the help :) |
| 16:21.25 | paradoxmonkey | Is it common to get this at boot after setting up a bridge? "Waiting for br0 to get ready (MAXWAIT is 32 seconds)" |
| 16:23.22 | paradoxmonkey | Why would this stupid start up script waste 32 seconds of my boot? |
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| 16:29.01 | jelly-home | paradoxmonkey: it wastes a mere 15 seconds here |
| 16:29.39 | jelly-home | and I don't think it's the script, but the driver itself |
| 16:29.46 | paradoxmonkey | jelly-home: I found that I can disable it by " bridge_maxwait 0" |
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| 16:30.40 | jelly-home | paradoxmonkey: does the iface come up correctly anyway? |
| 16:31.45 | paradoxmonkey | jelly-home: you mean after I have waited those seconds? then yes everything is working, I just don't want to waste time |
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| 16:43.38 | WormFood | is there a source of updated packages for stable? For example, I need twisted (for python) 8.2, and stable is only ver 8.1....I suspect there is probably some place (repository) I'm not aware of that has updates to common packages not included in stable. |
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| 16:44.30 | ethanol | backports |
| 16:44.55 | WormFood | backports? I thought that was for old packages |
| 16:44.57 | ethanol | !tell WormFood about bpo |
| 16:44.59 | ethanol | :< |
| 16:45.04 | ethanol | not sure if that worked, and no, it is not |
| 16:45.08 | WormFood | thanks ethanol |
| 16:45.23 | WormFood | the bot /msg'ed it to me, that is why you didn't see it |
| 16:45.45 | ethanol | yeah it told me so in pm as well |
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| 16:46.08 | ethanol | but usually I'm the one asking questions, hence I wasn't sure if I did it right :P |
| 16:46.41 | ethanol | god I love my ibook with lenny <3 |
| 16:47.02 | WormFood | what is so great about it? |
| 16:47.13 | ethanol | well wireless finally works without much of a hassle |
| 16:47.20 | ethanol | it was rather awkward on etch |
| 16:47.20 | WormFood | nice |
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| 16:47.34 | ethanol | and irssi/finch are awesome =D |
| 16:47.42 | ethanol | irc and msn through console |
| 16:47.51 | ethanol | no x for me |
| 16:47.56 | WormFood | yeah, I know what finch is :P |
| 16:48.06 | WormFood | it is smaller than a pidgin |
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| 16:48.25 | ethanol | the only thing I cannot figure out is how to get the option and command/apple key to be different |
| 16:48.32 | ethanol | currently they both seem to act as alt |
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| 16:48.35 | WormFood | where I live, people commonly eat pigeons...there is even a restaurant not too far from me called "pigeon king" |
| 16:48.51 | Rienzilha | pigeon tastes excellently |
| 16:48.56 | WormFood | I think I know how to change that in X11 |
| 16:48.59 | ethanol | but I kinda miss being able to alt <- -> in irssi to switch channel |
| 16:49.02 | WormFood | indeed, I agree Rienzilha |
| 16:49.15 | ethanol | right now it switches terminal |
| 16:50.02 | abrotman | ethanol: ctrl-p/n |
| 16:50.20 | ethanol | ah |
| 16:50.33 | ethanol | totally forgot about previous/next |
| 16:50.49 | ethanol | thanks abrotman : ) |
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| 16:52.17 | icebrain | ethanol: in my opinion, minbif or bitlbee coupled with a good irc client are better for msn than finch |
| 16:52.49 | ethanol | eh, well finch was the first suggestion I got for a cli client. and it works quite well. |
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| 16:53.46 | ethanol | can't find minbif, but I can find bitlbee |
| 16:54.17 | icebrain | ethanol: it's a matter of taste, I guess; I prefer the irc channel system to the semi-gui used in finch |
| 16:54.42 | icebrain | ethanol: problem with bitlbee is that it doesn't support file transfers |
| 16:55.15 | ethanol | don't really need those, but I am quite pleased with the interface of finch |
| 16:55.22 | ethanol | rather easy to manage |
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| 16:59.44 | smacnay | what is the command to show a login history for a user? |
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| 17:01.10 | dutchfish | smacnay, cat ~/.bash_history ? |
| 17:01.41 | smacnay | dutchfish, thanks - I remember there being a specific command for this - a small app |
| 17:01.53 | dutchfish | smacnay, no idee |
| 17:01.57 | zorrolero | smacnay: last? |
| 17:02.02 | smacnay | maybe that is it |
| 17:02.28 | dutchfish | last returns logins and times on wich tty |
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| 17:03.26 | smacnay | that was the one - thanks |
| 17:04.00 | dutchfish | history :) |
| 17:04.05 | dutchfish | that easy |
| 17:04.05 | smacnay | ah |
| 17:05.04 | ethanol | is it hard to make the scrollback buffer larger? |
| 17:05.25 | dutchfish | ethanol, if i am right it is a kernel option |
| 17:05.26 | ethanol | I googled a bit, but found few references. some involved modifying the kernel config params? |
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| 17:05.45 | ethanol | is it adjustable on the fly? |
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| 17:07.41 | dutchfish | ethanol, http://linuxgazette.net/143/anonymous.html |
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| 17:09.01 | dutchfish | ethanol, i am afraid a rcompile is neccesary to alter it, but .... there are tools to log the console longer |
| 17:09.11 | icebrain | if I have a package selected in aptitude (ncurses), how can I know from which repo it comes (debian, debian-multimedia, etc) ? |
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| 17:09.55 | ethanol | dutchfish: what tools would that be? |
| 17:10.03 | dutchfish | scrathes head |
| 17:10.26 | OldParr | how do i execute a bash script automatically when starting system? |
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| 17:10.49 | ethanol | make an init.d ? |
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| 17:10.56 | adb | put in /etc/rc.local ? |
| 17:11.24 | OldParr | adb: /etc/rc.local/script ? |
| 17:11.27 | dutchfish | ethanol, if my memmory didnt leave me it has to do with tty9 console-log |
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| 17:11.31 | ethanol | crontab also supports an alias for at boot |
| 17:11.35 | zorrolero | OldParr: via crontab (@reboot) |
| 17:11.41 | ethanol | what zorrolero said |
| 17:11.51 | ethanol | dutchfish: thanks will look into that |
| 17:12.11 | dutchfish | ethanol, in any case it was a mather of rerouting |
| 17:12.25 | rgr | has the bot got a one liner for a tar command to properly tar up an entire debian system? |
| 17:12.44 | adb | OldParr, no , just inside it , or see cron ways |
| 17:13.10 | OldParr | is /etc/rc.local a file? |
| 17:13.58 | adb | yes |
| 17:14.37 | eightfold | i've opened a openvpn connection and used these iptable lines: http://paste.debian.net/56940/ . i'm trying to accomplish: i want the applications run under the user "vpn" to only have access to the internets via tun0 (openvpn), eth0 should be restricted. |
| 17:15.22 | eightfold | but, everything running under other users seems not to be able to use eth0 when the the openvpn connection is active |
| 17:15.25 | eightfold | ideas? |
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| 17:16.21 | eightfold | i want all other users than "vpn" to go via eth0 |
| 17:17.22 | eightfold | should this also be set via iptables, or should it be set via openvpn? |
| 17:17.30 | abrotman | rgr: sure ... man tar |
| 17:17.47 | rgr | .. |
| 17:18.08 | adb | OldParr, asking here is ok |
| 17:18.27 | OldParr | i wrote "firehol panic" and "firehol start" in /etc/rc.local how do i test if application has benn launched when system starts? |
| 17:19.07 | dutchfish | rgr, http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec306.html |
| 17:19.12 | ethanol | I don't know, I wrote my own init.d script for iptables :< |
| 17:19.22 | ethanol | OldParr: etc.robbast.nl/firewall/firewall |
| 17:20.03 | ethanol | it starts automatically on boot |
| 17:20.30 | OldParr | ethanol: what starts automatically on boot? |
| 17:20.38 | ethanol | my init.d script |
| 17:20.48 | ethanol | or rather, it is executed on boot |
| 17:21.16 | rgr | dutchfish: thanks but thats really for backups of selected dirs. googling around there are different approaches to a full system back up because of conflictng opinins on /dev /proc and similar. I had wondered if there was an official "debian approved" tar line. |
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| 17:21.44 | OldParr | ethanol: i wrote those commands /etc/rc.local is not that the same than init.d ? |
| 17:22.05 | ethanol | don't know, sorry |
| 17:22.16 | dutchfish | rgr, actually i dont believe there is, thats because every debian system could be different, so you prolly end up with some alterations at least |
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| 17:27.21 | dutchfish | i hate that when they leave before the answer |
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| 17:27.45 | setuid | There was an applet I had running on Karmic, sat in gnome-panel, and was a dropdown of all of the running apps. Anyone know what this was called? It's not Window List. |
| 17:28.01 | setuid | er, oops... should have been in #ubuntu |
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| 17:32.38 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 17:35.39 | icebrain | mobidev: hi |
| 17:37.07 | ethanol | how can I see battery level from console? apm seems disabled in my kernel :< |
| 17:37.21 | setuid | ethanol, /proc/acpi/something |
| 17:37.43 | setuid | cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state |
| 17:37.49 | setuid | capacity state: ok |
| 17:37.49 | setuid | charging state: charging |
| 17:37.50 | setuid | present rate: 13943 mW |
| 17:37.51 | setuid | ...and so on |
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| 17:37.52 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.08 | OldParr | i restarted the system how do i know if application was launched? |
| 17:38.08 | valdyn | ethanol: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 17:38.12 | ethanol | yes |
| 17:38.22 | ethanol | bare minimum lenny install |
| 17:40.10 | ethanol | on ibook g4 |
| 17:40.14 | smacnay | OldParr, ps -A | grep "application" |
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| 17:40.37 | markit | anyone using btrfs? |
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| 17:42.45 | OldParr | is there any graphic application to make a firehol in debian? |
| 17:44.33 | Chris64 | anyone familiar with etckeeper? |
| 17:44.58 | Chris64 | is it possible to maintain branches? |
| 17:45.57 | LtL | OldParr: firestarter is a GUI iptables frontend if i recall correctly. |
| 17:46.07 | ethanol | valdyn: how could I check if my install supports power management? |
| 17:47.10 | OldParr | LtL: i am installing it |
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| 17:53.42 | OldParr | smacnay: http://pastebin.org/77751 |
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| 18:02.59 | Python1320 | Rebooting linux after kernel upgrade is like playing russian roulette |
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| 18:04.15 | iceroot | Python1320: not really |
| 18:04.33 | Python1320 | iceroot, if you're novice compiler. guess.. |
| 18:04.48 | Python1320 | One thing which I really wonder is why can't we have a fallback system for automation. if kernel panics after upgrade fallback to old kernel. |
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| 18:05.09 | icebrain | Python1320: you can, it's called "reboot" :| |
| 18:05.30 | Python1320 | icebrain, reboot a system on different country? |
| 18:05.32 | iceroot | and then chooseold kernel in grub |
| 18:06.09 | icebrain | Python1320: there are cards that can control the system booting process |
| 18:06.27 | Python1320 | icebrain, why should I buy cards if the kernel could do it by itself :\ |
| 18:07.07 | rgammans | lilo used to have a failover option , but I don't know wether grub does |
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| 18:09.43 | iceroot | Python1320: what about not upgrading the kernel? |
| 18:09.58 | Python1320 | iceroot, maybe that. |
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| 18:10.24 | OldParr | which one should i download? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 18:10.40 | Python1320 | icebrain, you're doing some sort of round robin irc? :D |
| 18:10.51 | iceroot | OldParr: for what? |
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| 18:11.00 | icebrain | Python1320: what? no, why? |
| 18:11.07 | Python1320 | icebrain and iceroot |
| 18:11.20 | icebrain | Python1320: nope, pure coincidence |
| 18:11.23 | Python1320 | ok |
| 18:12.52 | OldParr | iceroot: to install deian in amd semprom 2600+ |
| 18:14.11 | OldParr | which one should i download from here? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
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| 18:14.31 | icebrain | Python1320: kdump can reboot to a second kernel if the first one panics. It's used to dump an image of the first kernel, but maybe it can be used to go back to a "good" kernel |
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| 18:15.53 | Python1320 | icebrain, ah ok |
| 18:16.55 | icebrain | Python1320: I'm just guessing here; and don't even know if you need to completely boot the first kernel to load kdump |
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| 18:26.51 | TomKap | away! |
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| 18:29.17 | abrotman | !tell TomKap about away |
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| 18:29.44 | pinkisntwell | any good voip software on linux apart from skype and gizmo? |
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| 18:29.53 | abrotman | ekiga ? |
| 18:30.04 | blackhole | Is there someway i can use cron to run a script every second? |
| 18:30.05 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: have you tried it? |
| 18:30.13 | abrotman | sure |
| 18:30.40 | abrotman | blackhole: not really .. cron has minute granularity .. you could just spawn a script when the system boots that runs in a loop |
| 18:30.58 | blackhole | abrotman, what about at? |
| 18:31.10 | pinkisntwell | hmmm i'm looking at its aptitude description and it looks similar to linphone's. i can't really tell what's going on |
| 18:31.25 | abrotman | blackhole: check the man page .. but a script that doesn't terminate is probably better |
| 18:31.40 | blackhole | hmm |
| 18:31.57 | blackhole | abrotman, I have a PHP script that talk to db but if i never allow it to terminate it may time out ..? |
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| 18:32.12 | blackhole | abrotman, Or does time out happens only in case if PHP scripts are run from web server?? |
| 18:32.45 | abrotman | blackhole: it can be an infinite looop if oyu choose |
| 18:33.02 | blackhole | Hmm, Okay |
| 18:33.39 | abrotman | how were you going to run it from cron? why can't you have a script that does the same ? |
| 18:33.57 | blackhole | abrotman, Yeh you seems to be correct.. |
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| 18:34.16 | abrotman | i seems indeed |
| 18:34.47 | blackhole | abrotman, I just thought that the php script may timeout like if i have a script that never ends it may time out when you are executing it through your webserver but it will not time out if you run php script from shell ?-- Correect? |
| 18:35.23 | abrotman | blackhole: PHP can be used as a shell scripting language and a web scripting language |
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| 18:35.32 | blackhole | abrotman, Hmm Yeh correct! |
| 18:36.36 | smacnay | this is the script that never ends... |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | it just goes on and on my friend .. |
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| 18:40.32 | newsense | can i resize a partition from a live cd using fdisk without resining the ext3 filesystem that's on it |
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| 18:42.08 | OldParr | i downloaded boot.img what should i do with it? |
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| 18:43.09 | simonrvn | have it for breakfast tomorrow :P |
| 18:43.16 | OldParr | i downloaded boot.img from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ what should i do with it? |
| 18:43.31 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 18:43.32 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 18:43.42 | simonrvn | read the section on hd-media install |
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| 18:48.54 | OldParr | simonrvn: there is not any section about hd-media install in there |
| 18:49.06 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 18:49.48 | simonrvn | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/powerpc/ch02s04.html.en#id2723714 |
| 18:50.09 | simonrvn | subsititute your architecture for the /powerpc/ |
| 18:50.10 | amgarchIn9 | I have a bunch of *.deb files, how do I create an apt(itude) repository? |
| 18:50.37 | OldParr | simonrvn: the string "hd" is not on that page |
| 18:51.19 | simonrvn | and? http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch02s04.html.en#id2705162 |
| 18:51.45 | simonrvn | the info is there |
| 18:52.31 | OldParr | but there is also nothing about hd-media install , sorry i do not understand |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | why not just use the netinst ? |
| 18:53.08 | dvs | too easy |
| 18:53.09 | pat|nG | what's the cmd to have a 3D desktop on debian? |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | did you install compiz ? |
| 18:54.15 | simonrvn | ffs. OldParr: "hd-media" install is "Hard Disk" hence the "hd" ... |
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| 18:55.26 | OldParr | is the boot.img file i downloaded for Hard disk media install ? |
| 18:56.02 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 18:57.21 | ITXpander | hey guys, im a relatively new user to the debian world (not linux :P), was just wondering if theres any main advantage atm of using aptitude vs apt-get |
| 18:57.38 | ITXpander | seein the orphan removal been addressed with the autoremove feature |
| 18:57.45 | simonrvn | it's very simple. get all the required files, put them on the installed OS's top-most directory, along with an iso of some sort, then boot the installer. i don't know how you would do this on i386, hence the install guide ;). |
| 18:58.11 | dvs | ITXpander: aptitude is the preferred client |
| 18:58.16 | simonrvn | we recommend using aptitude |
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| 18:58.30 | simonrvn | !why aptitude |
| 18:58.31 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 18:59.08 | ITXpander | alright, fair enough |
| 18:59.14 | ITXpander | thx for the attention guys |
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| 19:30.31 | pistache | I can't boot with vga=791 setting in linux using grub2. it boots, but there is no change, and there's a warning about gfxpayload. So I've set gfxpayload="1024x768x16" and rebooted, but it makes no change. |
| 19:31.03 | pistache | I tried having terminal_output gfxterm but grub2 gets frozen with this setting. |
| 19:31.14 | pistache | Is there any way to get linux's framebuffer working with grub2 ? |
| 19:31.15 | sphenxes | my bookmarks have reached 3MB and it is very slowly or almost impossible to edit them in firefox. is there an open soucre book mark editor that can work with large bookmark file |
| 19:32.19 | salvin | pistache: stay with the warning |
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| 19:32.33 | pistache | then I have no framebuffer in linux salvin |
| 19:32.43 | pistache | even with vga=791 |
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| 19:34.36 | salvin | pistache: vga should works |
| 19:35.01 | pistache | vga=791 looks gode, no ? |
| 19:35.31 | salvin | pistache: try with another mode |
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| 19:35.47 | salvin | 773 |
| 19:35.56 | pistache | ok |
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| 19:39.09 | pistache | it's the same |
| 19:39.38 | pistache | I use a stock kernel (.30) in debian squeeze, but I boot using an encrypted partition, could that change anything ? |
| 19:40.49 | acu | I just installed Squeeze daily - for a dual boot with Windows XP on a Pentium 4 - however when I boot for first time I get GRUB loading Entering rescue mode... Error: out of disk - what is the problem ? how can I solve it ? |
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| 19:48.33 | dennister | do I really need to compile postgresql on this lenny installation? I installed it using the install cd, but the documentation says I still have to run gmake |
| 19:49.05 | dvs | dennister: I didn't have to compile posgresql when I installed it. |
| 19:49.36 | dennister | i'm having trouble getting it started...set to start at boot, but it won't |
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| 19:52.24 | dennister | i was able to in as the postgres user, created the role with a password, and at the superuser question, it couldn't connect, "is it running?" |
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| 19:54.59 | abrotman | dennister: okay, so make sure it's running, if not figure out why |
| 19:56.41 | dennister | that's what I'm trying to do...first tried to read the documentation, have to compile it...my problem is that I'm doing this on a debian server, and I'm not familiar with this way of doing things...i know it's not running, and am trying to find out why |
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| 19:58.22 | dennister | should the /etc/postgresql directory be empty, no files? /usr/share/ has lots of postgres directories and files |
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| 20:01.00 | abrotman | dennister: did you install it, and then remove files manually ? |
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| 20:01.32 | dennister | abrotman: i did not remove any files |
| 20:02.10 | dennister | system is showing that it is installed |
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| 20:05.15 | abrotman | dennister: dpkg -l postgres* .. put it in a pastebin |
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| 20:08.58 | dennister | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/dd539874 |
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| 20:10.07 | abrotman | dennister: and if you /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 restart .. what happens ? |
| 20:10.57 | newsense_ | hey i see debian-installer can apparently load firmware packages from removable meida or local hdd, i see no option for it theough |
| 20:10.57 | newsense_ | s/theough/though |
| 20:11.41 | newsense_ | abrotman: you farmiliar with loading non-free frimware through debian-installer ? |
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| 20:12.03 | ZenWalke1 | hi |
| 20:12.08 | abrotman | !tell newsense_ about installer firmware |
| 20:12.14 | newsense_ | abrotman: :) |
| 20:12.16 | newsense_ | thanks man |
| 20:12.30 | ZenWalke1 | gutenprint driver is for scanner of printers multifunction ? |
| 20:12.54 | pistache | I can't boot with vga=791 setting in linux using grub2. it boots, but there is no change, and there's a warning about gfxpayload. So I've set gfxpayload="1024x768x16" and rebooted, but it makes no change. |
| 20:13.11 | pistache | I use a stock kernel (.30) in debian squeeze, but I boot using an encrypted partition, could that change anything ? |
| 20:13.55 | newsense_ | looks like it should prompt you to load the firmware if not i gues it's not going to work |
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| 20:15.01 | pistache | newsense_: are you talking to me ? |
| 20:15.16 | newsense_ | pistache: no |
| 20:15.28 | newsense_ | pistache: sorry |
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| 20:17.13 | dennister | abrotman: nothing happens...have tried it a couple of times |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | dennister: it doesn't output anything at all ? |
| 20:18.34 | dennister | nope...and since I'm running the gui, too, nothing helps when I try using kcontrol--system services to start it, restart it, etc. |
| 20:19.14 | abrotman | dennister: from the console .. become root, then 'su - postgres' .. then 'psql template1' .. does any of that work ? |
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| 20:19.24 | pipeline | that would not be expected to work |
| 20:19.32 | pipeline | the privileged user is "postgresql" or "postgres" or something |
| 20:19.37 | pipeline | root is not privileged for it ootb |
| 20:19.42 | pipeline | so sudo -u postgres psql -d template1 |
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| 20:20.14 | pipeline | pistache: intel graphics ? have to patch BIOS dynamically at boot to get useful resolutions |
| 20:20.29 | abrotman | pipeline: see where he became postgres user ? |
| 20:20.33 | pistache | pipeline: ati x1300 |
| 20:20.34 | Fazer2 | hey, why are there no images in weekly builds? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/ |
| 20:20.41 | abrotman | Fazer2: that's normal .. use the netinst |
| 20:20.50 | dvs | Fazer2: That was suppose to be fixed. |
| 20:21.09 | pistache | pipeline: i know my framebuffer was working before on this laptop. I just changed from lenny to squeeze, and encrypted the root partition, and I can't get it to work |
| 20:21.11 | abrotman | pipeline: so it is expected to work |
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| 20:22.03 | EagleScreen | hi |
| 20:22.28 | EagleScreen | how much disk space uses Debian + Lxde installation? |
| 20:22.39 | abrotman | EagleScreen: without any other apps ? |
| 20:22.45 | EagleScreen | yes |
| 20:22.52 | EagleScreen | the default installation |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | i'd guess well under a GB |
| 20:23.16 | EagleScreen | less then 1 GB? |
| 20:23.36 | abrotman | seems reasonable |
| 20:23.41 | dennister | abrotman: became root, then 'su - postgres' worked, 'psql template1' gave me the same old error message: 'psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory'...server is not runnin locally and not accepting any connections |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | why do you ask? |
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| 20:24.19 | EagleScreen | i am thinking which GBU/Linux to install in an Asus Eee PC |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | dennister: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall postgresql-8.3 |
| 20:24.27 | abrotman | !tell EagleScreen about eeepc |
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| 20:26.56 | dennister | abrotman: did that, tried your earlier commands, same error when I tried 'psql template1' |
| 20:27.44 | abrotman | dennister: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall postgresql-common ? |
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| 20:29.50 | dennister | abrotman: i think i know the problem here: I have to create and edit /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/....conf |
| 20:29.59 | abrotman | not quite |
| 20:30.33 | dennister | no? |
| 20:31.07 | abrotman | dennister: that should hve been created already |
| 20:31.29 | dennister | k, will do your last command |
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| 20:34.17 | dennister | abrotman: still same issue |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | dennister: aptitude purge postgresql* |
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| 20:35.52 | Wilthril | hi all |
| 20:36.18 | Wilthril | i have a big problem with ssh, from LAN it works but from WAN it doesn't (and I triple-checked my router and port forwarding of port 22 is OK), there is the port forwarding test http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9741/portforwarding.jpg and what i have when i log in http://pastebin.com/d1d7d9f65 someone can help me? |
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| 20:36.48 | dennister | abrotman: it couldn't find any packages ...postgresql* |
| 20:37.09 | abrotman | dennister: aptitude purge "postgresql*" |
| 20:38.40 | dennister | abrotman: it still couldn't find any packages ...postgresql* or "postgresql*" |
| 20:39.11 | abrotman | dennister: aptitude purge postgresql-common postgresql-8.3 |
| 20:39.15 | pistache | looks like my problem is simply that the kernel ignores my vga=791 command |
| 20:40.03 | dennister | finally...getting somewhere :) |
| 20:40.54 | pistache | If I look into dmesg, I do see my vga=791 argument, but next I see "Console: colour VGA+ 80x25". Any idea why my kernel is ignoring my vga= argument ? |
| 20:42.10 | dennister | afterwards I'll reinstall postgresql-common and postgresql-8.3...what about postgresql-contrib and postgresql-contrib-8.3? |
| 20:43.21 | abrotman | dennister: aptitude install postgresql-8.3 should suffice |
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| 20:45.54 | dennister | abrotman: k, done; and now /etc/postgresql directory isn't empty anymore :) |
| 20:46.19 | dennister | now i feel like i'm back on more familiar territory |
| 20:46.35 | abrotman | dennister: and it uh .. starts now ? |
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| 20:47.18 | dvs | 's car starts |
| 20:47.21 | dvs | huh? |
| 20:48.09 | mjt | <doctor> is it because of debian your car starts? |
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| 20:48.13 | dennister | abrotman: well, i at least got some response from console when it did the /etc/init.d/...start command |
| 20:48.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:48.47 | dennister | let's see...I should edit /etc/.../postgresql.conf now, shouldn't I? |
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| 20:49.58 | pistache | I think KMS is blocking my VGA setting. is there a way to disable it ? I tried radeon.modeset=0, but the kernel ignored it |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | dennister: depends what you need to do |
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| 20:51.51 | dennister | what I'm doing is installing ledgersmb, which uses postgres on the backend, which is something i've done often on ubuntu servers, but differences between ubuntu and debian have been throwing me for a loop...bit rusty here |
| 20:52.44 | don_armstrong | dennister: unless you need to connect remotely, you shouldn't have to do that. |
| 20:53.07 | don_armstrong | (though if you need to use a password instead of a special user, you may have to enable md5 logins to postgresql) |
| 20:53.13 | smhar | greetings.. I have two questions tonight. first: I have an old pc upgraded from etch -> lenny -> squeeze. now that most big problem are resolved. I still have some corners to round. one of them is gnome. It does not open tar.bz2 files. what packages to install to solve this? |
| 20:53.33 | dennister | i'll also be installing a contact database that uses the rails environment, with postgres backend, and hopefully the two environments will all work together or i'll be at the stage where the developers can help me |
| 20:53.38 | simonrvn | bzip2 |
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| 20:55.00 | dennister | dondelelcaro: : we're going to connecting to this database and server from any pc in the fure production intranet, and occasionally across the net |
| 20:55.17 | dennister | *future...as in 2 weeks from now |
| 20:55.21 | dennister | brb |
| 20:55.51 | dondelelcaro | dennister: then you'll need to edit 8.3/pg_hba.conf appropriately and any o> |
| 20:56.16 | dondelelcaro | dennister: and any of the other configuration settings that need to be changed... though in general, for local stuff, it should "just work" |
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| 20:59.56 | cheako | lvm2 has a lot of outstanding important bugs. Is there any concern for this? |
| 21:00.41 | simonrvn | !dbugs 564161 |
| 21:00.46 | dpkg | #564161:S[exfalso] exfalso: Dummy bug to prevent exfalso/quodlibet/quodlibet-ext/quodlibet-plugins from migrating to testing before 2.2 proper (); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 02:18:01 UTC [] |
| 21:01.21 | cheako | I hate opening bugs when there are already so many issues, it makes me feel over sensitive to the issues I've encountered. |
| 21:02.54 | valdyn | cheako: its very hard to disproof certain bugs |
| 21:03.11 | valdyn | cheako: or its very hard to proof that certain bugs are not lvm related |
| 21:03.33 | cheako | #351679 is about etch. |
| 21:03.42 | dennister | dondelelcaro: yes, i've actually installed ledgersmb many times before, keeping the original pg_hba.conf files, pg_ident.conf file, the original postgresql.conf file...this is all per the ledgersmb install directions |
| 21:04.16 | valdyn | cheako: or it was reported in etch and no one ever proved that its fixed later |
| 21:05.01 | cheako | valdyn: I read the bug it's about the problems upgrading the kernel and/or lvm. Now that both are upgraded and working together it's fixed. |
| 21:05.27 | valdyn | cheako: yea i see, read it |
| 21:05.56 | valdyn | 311057 is similarily irrelevant |
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| 21:06.09 | shoppe | hi |
| 21:06.47 | valdyn | judd: versions lvm2 |
| 21:06.57 | valdyn | judd: versions lvm |
| 21:07.01 | cheako | valdyn: For bugs that can't be proven there needs to be some form of court where a discussion is made... for better or worse. Appeal process is waiting for the next stable release. |
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| 21:07.41 | dennister | abrotman: 'psql template1' works now, thanks a lot |
| 21:07.52 | egn | hi, if I have two interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, can I "prefer" one (wired) but use the other one (wireless) when wired isn't available? |
| 21:08.31 | valdyn | !ifplugd |
| 21:08.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ifplugd is a laptop users best friend. ifplugd is a daemon which will automatically configure your ethernet device when a cable is plugged in and automatically unconfigure it if the cable is pulled. |
| 21:08.53 | valdyn | egn: or why dont you use something like network-manager ? |
| 21:09.30 | egn | valdyn: the machine doesn't have X/Gnome |
| 21:09.45 | egn | valdyn: or can I still use it? |
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| 21:11.40 | shoppe | hi |
| 21:11.43 | shoppe | Checking for X11 headers presence ... yes |
| 21:11.44 | shoppe | Checking for X11 ... no (check if the dev(el) packages are installed) |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | shoppe: xorg-dev ? |
| 21:13.43 | smhar | I have two questions tonight. first: I have an old pc upgraded from etch -> lenny -> squeeze. now that most big problem are resolved. I still have some corners to round. one of them is gnome. It does not open tar.bz2 files. what packages to install to solve this? |
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| 21:21.25 | brimstone | i'm trying to build a package with debuild but i'm getting an error "rmdir: failed to remove `debian/pianobar/usr/local/bin': Directory not empty" any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 21:23.32 | cheako | For mount and the like it's now possible to use LABEL and UUID, but what about ID(This allows for specifying(in some cases) the make and serial number of the physical device. |
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| 21:23.45 | cheako | ) |
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| 21:28.22 | Hobbes` | how does one fix subpixel anti-aliasing problems like this http://kingsly.net/tmp/bad-anti-aliasing.png |
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| 21:28.36 | Hobbes` | the font looks much better on white than on black |
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| 21:30.34 | cheako | Yers, it looks like the order is incorrect. How did you get this to display well/properly on monitors that don't match yours? It seams to me like you would have had to blow it up 3x, but I don't see blocks that are 3x1? |
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| 21:31.25 | cheako | Not only just blow it up, but put each of the 3 channels separately into there own pixels. |
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| 21:32.09 | cheako | I'm using a CRT and I'm not sure if subpixel ordering matters for me. |
| 21:32.59 | obiwan_ | hi guys, sry i have a last question about gpg. i have created the new keypair, and now i want to get rid of the old one, but i got some subkeys in it. should i revoke each subkey and finally revoke the master key, or simply revoke the master and forget about subkeys? what'd be more clever? |
| 21:33.02 | cheako | In gnome there is a panel for font rendering, no sure what the backed is or if it's shared with all programs. |
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| 21:33.50 | Arrowmaster | i think most people just disable subpixel rendering due to all the issues with colors |
| 21:34.03 | rgammans | cheako: subpixel-aliasing is arguable for crt's. Although most of th last generation used a slot mask rather than a shadow(spot) -mask, so there may be some effect on those. |
| 21:34.04 | cheako | obiwan_: Out of paranoia, I'd say revoke them all and let god sort it out. |
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| 21:34.39 | cheako | rgammans: Where can I learn more? How can I tell what I have? |
| 21:35.07 | rgammans | rgammans: No idea where you can learn more. Google I guess. |
| 21:35.18 | rgammans | ^^ for cheako |
| 21:35.21 | ravenbird | rgammans: I don't know. |
| 21:35.29 | cheako | meh, webarchive.org |
| 21:35.31 | astartoth | hi all, anyone on kde4 ? I'm having trouble locking the screen. maybe some package is missing like xlock. Is there a specificic package for KDE? |
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| 21:35.49 | Arrowmaster | http://freddie.witherden.org/pages/font-rasterisation/ |
| 21:36.01 | obiwan_ | yeah, ofc that'd definitely kill em all, but i read that a subkey without it's master, is useless so ... it'd be cleaner to make a simple revocation i thought :P |
| 21:36.06 | ChrisW | hi all, I have a pair of 1TB external usb drives I rotate for offsite backups, these sporadically screw up and complain about journal errors and flip into read only mode... this seems to be at random and I see no indication that there's actually any fault with the disks... any idea what might be wrong or how i could diagnose? |
| 21:36.29 | rgammans | cheako: You can what you have my using a magnifying glass to look at the posphors |
| 21:36.34 | obiwan_ | i just want t o ensure before taking decissions based on my inconscious mind xP |
| 21:37.36 | cheako | rgammans: No warranty of any kind should I burn my eye out. lol |
| 21:38.46 | obiwan_ | ChrisW: maybe trying fsck and smartctl you could get some useful info |
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| 21:39.24 | rgammans | cheako: Hah. In which case you don't want to know how I would actually do it |
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| 21:40.07 | rgammans | cheako: Hint. Have you ever seen multi coloured dots on the screen |
| 21:40.55 | cheako | TrueType hinting(Is this not provided by the font so you will need to scour the internet for a font file that has hinting that you like?) and anti-aliasing are essential, IMHO. |
| 21:41.03 | cheako | rgammans: No. |
| 21:41.05 | ChrisW | obiwan_: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/166456/ what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:42.37 | obiwan_ | wow, i'm really noob , i just adviced you some commands :P but i'll take a look just in case |
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| 21:44.12 | ChrisW | hmm, power cycling the drive and trying again gave: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/166457/ |
| 21:44.16 | ChrisW | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 21:45.43 | obiwan_ | ChrisW: is sdg1 the device/partition of your 1 tb disk? |
| 21:46.07 | ChrisW | yup |
| 21:46.19 | obiwan_ | ok, then please try with sudo |
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| 21:46.41 | ChrisW | er, I ran that as root, as you can tell from the # at the start of the command line |
| 21:47.18 | obiwan_ | uhmm |
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| 21:47.24 | obiwan_ | then try to umount it |
| 21:47.34 | obiwan_ | maybe if it's umounted it can't check |
| 21:47.44 | obiwan_ | *mounted |
| 21:48.09 | ChrisW | nope, makes no difference |
| 21:48.21 | rgammans | ChrisW: you need to enable smart on the drive first. iirc, It is a different smartctl switch |
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| 21:50.08 | obiwan_ | but if it's disabled it won't tell info about previous errors right? |
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| 21:51.21 | smhar | I just updated my squeeze system 2 days but trying another update today wants to download more than 600MN of files! is this possible? I thought debian only download changes in files and thus needs smaller downloads |
| 21:51.26 | rgammans | probably. I think the drive only record most data when it is enabled. |
| 21:51.30 | ChrisW | rgammans: Well, "Device does not support SMART" seems pretty clear, same with smartctl -i /dev/sdg |
| 21:51.39 | ChrisW | what am I missing? |
| 21:51.53 | rgammans | but some status will still be store (like nr of remapped blocks) |
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| 21:52.16 | rgammans | chrisw: istr that error message being misleading |
| 21:52.29 | obiwan_ | sry ChrisW i can't help more i'm totally noob :( |
| 21:52.54 | datenritter | arrrrg! tor-users be warned: iceweasel 3.5.6 leaks dns. i just found this problem http://edge.i-hacked.com/firefox-35-dns-leaks-like-a-waterfall still exists. :( |
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| 21:53.13 | abrotman | ChrisW: do your internal drives support smart ? |
| 21:53.24 | ChrisW | rgammans: okay, what do I need to do to get it to do what you think it should do? ;-) |
| 21:54.09 | ChrisW | abrotman: only one internal drive, and yes |
| 21:54.13 | datenritter | i set network.proxy.socks_remote_dns to true |
| 21:54.19 | datenritter | doesn't work |
| 21:54.46 | abrotman | ChrisW: i'm too lazy to go for my USB HDD, but it's possibly it doesn't support smart |
| 21:54.51 | rgammans | chrisw: I'm installing smartmontools locally So I can remember |
| 21:55.16 | rgammans | chrisw: it usb? oh. |
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| 21:56.42 | rgammans | chris: smartctl --smart=on --offlineauto=on --saveauto=on /dev/hda |
| 21:56.42 | rgammans | smartctl --smart=on --offlineauto=on --saveauto=on /dev/sdg |
| 21:56.52 | rgammans | pah cut paste .... |
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| 21:57.19 | ChrisW | rgammans: yep, first thing i said ;-) |
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| 21:58.02 | rgammans | chrisw: try that enable command anyway. but usb bus may not carry the the smart command set |
| 21:58.08 | ChrisW | rgammans: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/166468/ |
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| 21:59.21 | datenritter | files a bug report for iceweasel |
| 21:59.25 | datenritter | this is serious |
| 21:59.40 | rgammans | Yeah, I;d be surprised if the actually drive didn't support smart but it looks like the enclosure doesn't |
| 22:00.07 | ChrisW | rgammans: shitty cheap usb enclosure is likely the problems :-( |
| 22:00.19 | ChrisW | recommendations on decent enclosures gratefully received |
| 22:00.25 | ChrisW | the drives in 'em are pretty good iirc |
| 22:00.38 | ChrisW | Samsung spinpoint or similar |
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| 22:02.53 | ChrisW | the annoyance is that these enclosures have eSata on them too, but the mobo doesn't see eSata drives unless they're present at system boot -> no plug'n'play |
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| 22:03.26 | lolufail | hi! |
| 22:03.32 | ChrisW | die! |
| 22:03.33 | ChrisW | :-) |
| 22:03.51 | lolufail | I just tried to build an equivs-package to provide php5 (metapackage), but I failed :D |
| 22:04.04 | lolufail | ChrisW: :\ |
| 22:04.47 | lolufail | any idea what's wrong with this equivs file? http://pastebin.com/m1151d2d7 |
| 22:04.55 | rgammans | ChrisW: re: eSata. Eww. I've never seen that with Linux..., a certain other proprietary os,maybe but not linux |
| 22:05.19 | ChrisW | rgammans: it's not the OS, it's the Mobo |
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| 22:05.41 | ChrisW | quite an old mobo, I contacted Gigabyte about it, they said "sorry, it's too old, we don't care" |
| 22:05.44 | ChrisW | :'( |
| 22:06.10 | rgammans | ChrisW: Maybe, but that means the kernel doesn't know how/cant enable that part of the chipset. Unusal. |
| 22:06.39 | rgammans | ChrisW: I;ve gone of gigabyte anyway, they have often a number of interesting features... |
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| 22:07.45 | ChrisW | rgammans: I'm not sure how you expect the kernel to enable part of a chipset when it's the chipset and/or bios that are lacking the support of hot pluggable eSata drives ;-) |
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| 22:09.06 | rgammans | chrisw: bollocks. The BIOS is irrelevant once linux is booted, Linux doesn't use bios feature for anything short of power management |
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| 22:09.29 | rgammans | chrisw: i;ve yet to meet a sata chipset which doesn't support hotplug |
| 22:09.51 | ChrisW | shrugs, well, what do you suggest I do then? ;-) |
| 22:09.59 | lolufail | cmon guys, halp plox :\ |
| 22:09.59 | abrotman | rgammans: i think he means the USB controller on the device, not the system bios |
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| 22:10.23 | abrotman | lolufail: what's wrong with the php5 in lenny laready ? |
| 22:10.35 | abrotman | nevermind . i see |
| 22:10.46 | ChrisW | abrotman: well, I meant the mobo, but either way, not a lot I can do |
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| 22:10.52 | rgammans | abrotman: oh. |
| 22:11.00 | lolufail | abrotman: I have php5-fpm from dotdeb, with nginx |
| 22:11.07 | abrotman | lolufail: sorry to hear that .. |
| 22:11.08 | Fazer2 | I've installed Debian with netinstall |
| 22:11.13 | eatnumber1 | NFS on my system is locked up, but the NFS server is working, and I have network connectivity |
| 22:11.15 | abrotman | !tell lolufail about dotdeb |
| 22:11.17 | Vbitz | the instal is hanging at sellect and install software |
| 22:11.21 | Fazer2 | how can I update it to testing version? |
| 22:11.22 | Vbitz | at 1% |
| 22:11.29 | abrotman | !tell Fazer2 about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:11.36 | abrotman | Vbitz: it might be downloading |
| 22:11.40 | Vbitz | how do i continue from there |
| 22:11.45 | Vbitz | it is not |
| 22:11.52 | Vbitz | no network trafic |
| 22:11.53 | abrotman | Vbitz: using which installer ? |
| 22:12.01 | ChrisW | just tried eSata again, interesting, the HD light on the case comes on, indicating the mobo certainly knows about the drive |
| 22:12.02 | Fazer2 | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 22:12.08 | Vbitz | normal |
| 22:12.10 | abrotman | check the debug console probably alt-f4 or f3 |
| 22:12.11 | Vbitz | text based |
| 22:12.13 | ChrisW | but i tried mounting it and was told it was not there |
| 22:12.20 | abrotman | ChrisW: dmesg might help |
| 22:12.25 | lolufail | abrotman: there's no FPM in the BPO packages, I have no other choice but compiling myself |
| 22:12.28 | abrotman | Vbitz: yes .. which ISO, which verison/filename |
| 22:12.35 | astartoth | what app does kde4 uses to lock the screen? I'm using the option from the menu and nothing happens |
| 22:12.36 | Vbitz | normal |
| 22:12.39 | abrotman | lolufail: that's fine .. the dotdeb packages still aren't 'compiling yourself' |
| 22:12.40 | Vbitz | a prompt |
| 22:12.54 | abrotman | Vbitz: jebus .. what was the name of the ISO you burned to the CD ? |
| 22:13.01 | lolufail | abrotman: okay, but with compiling myself, I'd have the exact same problem now |
| 22:13.07 | ChrisW | abrotman: oops, too late, just rebooted the box... will try when it comes up |
| 22:13.07 | Vbitz | wants to install untrusted packages |
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| 22:13.22 | lolufail | I just wanna provide the php5 metapackage, any idea what's wrong with my equivs file? |
| 22:13.24 | abrotman | Vbitz: your installer sounds out of date .. get the 5.0.3 installer |
| 22:13.28 | Vbitz | debian-503-i386-CD-1 |
| 22:13.44 | abrotman | Vbitz: are you using some non-standard mirror ? |
| 22:13.50 | Vbitz | no |
| 22:14.09 | abrotman | !tell Vbitz about 5% error |
| 22:14.51 | Vbitz | i am using the closet mirror |
| 22:14.53 | Vbitz | the nz one |
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| 22:15.28 | ChrisW | abrotman: so, an eSata drive, do I just unmount it and unplug the eSata cable, use eject, or what? |
| 22:15.43 | abrotman | Vbitz: see what the bot told you |
| 22:15.52 | Vbitz | yes i |
| 22:15.53 | Vbitz | doo |
| 22:15.58 | abrotman | ChrisW: if you use dmesg .. does it give it a node ? |
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| 22:16.19 | lolufail | so, anything wrong with the damn equivs file? |
| 22:16.34 | Vbitz | killed apature |
| 22:16.43 | eatnumber1 | no help for my NFS woes? |
| 22:16.49 | Vbitz | how do i add the latest key |
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| 22:18.05 | lolufail | oh and: always this religious crap, instead of actually looking at someones problem, first everyone checks if he's really using debian and not ubuntu, then if he's using _anything_ "unsupported" or disliked by anyone, and then and only then, he may be helped -.- ridiculous. |
| 22:18.11 | ChrisW | abrotman: I pwoered it down and eject /mnt/themountpoint and the npweored it up |
| 22:18.15 | ChrisW | saw the hard drive light |
| 22:18.24 | ChrisW | no more output in dmesg |
| 22:18.33 | abrotman | probably unplug/plug |
| 22:18.41 | Vbitz | now it is at 10% |
| 22:18.43 | Vbitz | and stoped |
| 22:19.11 | abrotman | lolufail: really? you think that's crap? you would like us to support every configuration possible on the planet? |
| 22:19.11 | ChrisW | abrotman: sorry, dunno what to do with your statement/// |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | ChrisW: the data cable ? |
| 22:19.24 | ChrisW | you want me to actually unplug the eSata cable? |
| 22:19.28 | Sergio` | My cron doesn't execute this command: */2 * * * * /bin/echo "test" > ~/test.txt I think it's not working. fcron works for me but I didn't want to run two crons. It's a fresh install. Anyone had this problem? |
| 22:19.29 | lolufail | abrotman: no, but the dotdeb package had _nothing_ to do with the actual problem |
| 22:19.51 | abrotman | lolufail: no, they don't, i'm warning you that those packages are known to be problematic |
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| 22:20.46 | Vbitz | still having a problem with the 10% error |
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| 22:20.51 | abrotman | lolufail: but if you want us to fix those broken package, you'll be out of luck |
| 22:20.53 | ChrisW | abrotman: yep, tried the data cable, still no dmesg additions |
| 22:21.02 | abrotman | Vbitz: did you use that option when you booted the installer ? |
| 22:21.08 | Vbitz | no |
| 22:21.13 | abrotman | Vbitz: try it |
| 22:21.15 | Vbitz | how do i use that option |
| 22:21.22 | abrotman | !tell Vbitz about 5% error |
| 22:21.29 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
| 22:22.11 | lolufail | abrotman: I dont wanna fix them... if I ./configure and make and make install php5-fpm, I STILL have to provide the meta package |
| 22:22.15 | lolufail | and there's my problem |
| 22:22.39 | abrotman | you mean the equivs |
| 22:23.28 | lolufail | abrotman: yes |
| 22:23.43 | lolufail | so that I can install phpmyadmin without pulling in apache |
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| 22:25.15 | abrotman | you mean without pulling in php5 from the repository ? |
| 22:25.15 | thrashold | If a package is failing to be upgraded, is there any way to at least upgrade all packages that don't depend on it somehow? |
| 22:25.25 | abrotman | thrashold: aptitude install foo |
| 22:26.06 | thrashold | abrotman: What do you mean with this? What do you mean by foo? I want more than one package upgraded :) |
| 22:26.14 | thrashold | Like 122 :) |
| 22:26.17 | abrotman | lolufail: so if you use equivs-build .. it does ? |
| 22:26.31 | abrotman | thrashold: put them all on the line ? |
| 22:26.50 | thrashold | Is there any way to make them not count as auto-installed, then? :) |
| 22:27.08 | abrotman | !tell thrashold about unmarkauto |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | thrashold: which package isn't upgrading ? |
| 22:27.21 | lolufail | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m12916297 |
| 22:27.32 | thrashold | Thank you very much |
| 22:27.47 | thrashold | abrotman: udev, because it requires newer kernel, which isn't available for my hardware yet :) |
| 22:27.58 | abrotman | thrashold: which hardware? which kernel ? |
| 22:28.08 | thrashold | OpenMoko Freerunner |
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| 22:28.35 | abrotman | lolufail: what if you say 'n' ? |
| 22:28.38 | thrashold | The kernel is 2.6.29, but there is some options that should be disabled for newest sid udev to work :) |
| 22:28.40 | h00k | greetings. |
| 22:28.42 | abrotman | thrashold: you might want to ask #maemo ? |
| 22:28.52 | abrotman | or is it not maemo? |
| 22:28.58 | thrashold | It isn't :) |
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| 22:29.05 | rgammans | isn;t angstrom? |
| 22:29.16 | rgammans | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.27 | lolufail | abrotman: now matter how often 'n', always pulls in libapache2-mod-php5(filter) |
| 22:29.44 | abrotman | lolufail: lenny ? |
| 22:30.08 | abrotman | lolufail: wait .. apt-cache policy phpmyadmin .. which version is the candidate ? |
| 22:30.09 | thrashold | I can just learn how to cross-compile a kernel, but for now I don't care about newest udev :) Thanks for the help :) |
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| 22:30.30 | lolufail | abrotman: Candidate: 4:2.11.8.1-5+lenny3 |
| 22:32.08 | abrotman | and you want to remove the libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 22:32.48 | Vbitz | i am now trying it with the us mirror and the grafical installer |
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| 22:33.10 | lolufail | abrotman: no, I dont want it at all, it's not installed |
| 22:33.17 | lolufail | abrotman: no apache2 package is |
| 22:33.27 | abrotman | Vbitz: did you try the option the bot told you ? |
| 22:33.41 | Vbitz | don't need to now |
| 22:33.44 | Vbitz | it is working |
| 22:33.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:34.32 | Vbitz | just had a whole lot of trafic and then nothing |
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| 22:36.23 | Vbitz | same error |
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| 22:38.50 | Vbitz | i am trying it with apt-get upgrade in a shell after chroot /target |
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| 22:40.25 | Vbitz | working now yay |
| 22:40.50 | h00k | just installed Debian on a PowerBook G4, cool. |
| 22:40.55 | h00k | I haven't installed Debian before. |
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| 22:46.33 | h00k | I'm deciding on squeeze or sid, now. |
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| 22:47.23 | lolufail | meh guess I'm out of luck ;) |
| 22:48.03 | abrotman | lolufail: aptitude why foo |
| 22:49.12 | lolufail | O_o |
| 22:49.19 | lolufail | ip-10-226-227-192:/tmp# aptitude why php5-capable |
| 22:49.19 | lolufail | i php5-mysql Depends php5 | phpapi-20090626 |
| 22:49.19 | lolufail | ip php5-capable Provides php5 |
| 22:49.54 | themill | that's not a debian package |
| 22:50.08 | abrotman | yeah .. he's been dumb enough to use dotdeb |
| 22:50.16 | themill | :( |
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| 22:50.57 | abrotman | frowny ... |
| 22:51.12 | themill | "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb~i" is the easiest way to solve that |
| 22:51.55 | abrotman | he never really said why he needs those .. he seems to be more concerned with why his equivs isn't working to satisfy the php5 dep for phpmyadmin |
| 22:52.06 | abrotman | (course .. then there's the whole discussion about not using phpmyadmin) |
| 22:53.21 | lolufail | abrotman: customer wants phpmyadmin |
| 22:53.36 | lolufail | abrotman: I use the dotdeb packages for their fastcgi process manager |
| 22:53.54 | abrotman | you won't get any sympathy from me! :) |
| 22:54.09 | lolufail | fair enough |
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| 22:54.39 | abrotman | lolufail: did you try aptitude update after installing the equivs ? not sure if that matters |
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| 22:54.49 | rgammans | Hmm. point. I hada customer installed his own local copy of phpmyadmin when I tried to dissuade him, and it was and early version then in debian with even more security issues.... |
| 22:54.50 | lolufail | abrotman: not yet |
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| 22:55.39 | ranix | test |
| 22:55.45 | abrotman | fail |
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| 22:56.49 | datenritter | i take back my suspicion about the iceweasel dns-leak-bug. it's an extension which causes the problem. |
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| 22:57.30 | rooisto47 | hi there, a question about debmirror (for the gpg key) |
| 22:57.30 | rooisto47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.37 | rooisto47 | can you help me ? |
| 22:59.34 | ^] | re |
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| 23:00.21 | LtL | rooisto47: did you generate a key? gpg --gen-key i think |
| 23:00.31 | rooisto47 | no |
| 23:01.11 | rooisto47 | i'll do it, and after that have I to copy pubring.gpg to trustedkeys again ? |
| 23:01.40 | babilen | rooisto47: http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/ |
| 23:01.57 | babilen | rooisto47: ^^^^ follow this guide to generate your key |
| 23:02.26 | babilen | rooisto47: Not sure is your problem is solved by that though. But if you need a new key, that is the way to go |
| 23:02.35 | LtL | rooisto47: again? you had another key? |
| 23:02.58 | rooisto47 | ok thank you so much |
| 23:03.11 | rooisto47 | i'll see that and try again |
| 23:03.19 | LtL | rooisto47: are you settings root's keyring? |
| 23:03.57 | rooisto47 | so, I just want mirror a part of the multimedia repository for my home use |
| 23:04.15 | rooisto47 | and I don't know about that kesys ^^ |
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| 23:05.08 | LtL | rooisto47: you import the repositories key to your system |
| 23:06.10 | lolufail | abrotman: aptitude update didn't help btw |
| 23:06.22 | rooisto47 | where can I find them ? look if it's goodly explained in the babilen guid I'll read and see what that give |
| 23:06.26 | lolufail | abrotman: anything else I could try? |
| 23:06.53 | rooisto47 | LtL: I don't want annoy you a lot |
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| 23:07.38 | lolufail | aaaaaaaah |
| 23:07.39 | babilen | rooisto47: you don't - i have however not used debmirror before and am therefore not familiar with the procedures. |
| 23:07.46 | lolufail | nevermind :D |
| 23:07.51 | LtL | rooisto47: that repo's should have a one-liner to import it, I'm not sure if the user's keyring matters, my keyring isn't affecting what repo's are allowed. |
| 23:07.52 | babilen | lolufail: everyhting will be fine |
| 23:08.03 | abrotman | lolufail: figured it out ? |
| 23:08.19 | lolufail | abrotman: yes, php5-mcrypt was from lenny |
| 23:08.24 | lolufail | and then broke everything else |
| 23:08.28 | abrotman | lolufail: you're to blame! |
| 23:08.30 | datenritter | i think flagfox is the plugin that igores proxy-settings more or less and resolves dns locally |
| 23:08.31 | lolufail | I know |
| 23:08.39 | babilen | lolufail: mixing releases ... ts ts ts |
| 23:09.04 | abrotman | babilen: no, using packges from dotdeb |
| 23:09.08 | rooisto47 | LtL babilen still don't work ! :( |
| 23:09.57 | LtL | rooisto47: look at their site, i'll look.. you import the key tee'd to root's acct for apt-getting stuff if i follow you. is that your intention? |
| 23:10.41 | rooisto47 | heuu I don't really understand about that keys |
| 23:10.44 | LtL | btw - i've never used debmirror either. |
| 23:11.20 | LtL | rooisto47: are you trying to download a package and get an error? |
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| 23:12.05 | rooisto47 | no just run that command : debmirror /media/perso/debians/multimedia/ --host=www.debian-multimedia.org --dist=testing --arch=i386 --root=/ --method=http --section=main |
| 23:12.15 | rooisto47 | and I got an error |
| 23:12.44 | rooisto47 | here is the error msg http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-50497 |
| 23:14.07 | rooisto47 | do you see what it is about ? |
| 23:14.17 | babilen | rooisto47: I guess you have to import the dmm key |
| 23:14.30 | rooisto47 | how or from where ? |
| 23:14.43 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.49 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.23 | rooisto47 | babilen: it's the testing I'm searching for |
| 23:15.43 | babilen | rooisto47: That explains how to retrieve the key. I am not sure which keyring you have to add it to. Check the debmirror documentation |
| 23:16.09 | LtL | rooisto47: you need the debian-multimedia-keyring.deb it's out there somewhere, i think i have it |
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| 23:17.11 | LtL | rooisto47: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/package/debian-multimedia-keyring.php download the .deb |
| 23:17.23 | babilen | rooisto47: It might just be as easy as installing the deb like LtL and the 'dmm lenny' factoid suggest. You will get an error because that particular package fail to authenticate |
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| 23:18.02 | rooisto47 | ok |
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| 23:18.33 | LtL | rooisto47: where is says 'direct package download' click it,save run as root. |
| 23:18.38 | bluesword1969 | hey all. when you add your initial user during install, and sudo no root, should you still add your initial user to stuff like video, plugdev, audio, etc? |
| 23:19.33 | rooisto47 | i'm installing the deb |
| 23:19.37 | rooisto47 | .deb |
| 23:19.42 | rgammans | bluesword1969: is the initi |
| 23:19.48 | LtL | rooisto47: update your package manager afterwards. |
| 23:19.51 | rgammans | bluesword1969: is the inital user yourself? |
| 23:20.03 | babilen | rooisto47: But why do you want to mirror dmm anyway? Are approx, apt-cacher{-ng} or apt-proxy possible alternatives to your approach? |
| 23:20.08 | bluesword1969 | rgammans: yes |
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| 23:21.13 | rgammans | bluesword1969: I don't know the 'correct' answer, but in that case I would only do it as I discovered I needed to. udev/hald is much smarter these days, in previous dists I've certainly had to though |
| 23:21.24 | rooisto47 | LtL: euh look that's may look bizarre but i'm trying to do that from an ubuntu installation that's what I've have on that machine right now |
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| 23:21.55 | rooisto47 | babilen: to use it without internet |
| 23:22.11 | bluesword1969 | rgammans: interesting indeed, and i wonder if this is something the debian team wants to know about or cares to know about, not that i've had any issues yet |
| 23:22.34 | rooisto47 | I haven't internet access were I want install the debian |
| 23:23.33 | rgammans | bluesword1969: It's more a freedesktop issue than a debian one as I see it. But I don't speak for any debian dev team, so what do I know? ;-) |
| 23:23.51 | babilen | rooisto47: Alright! Just asking :-D |
| 23:23.57 | LtL | rooisto47: ok, I am confused. |
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| 23:25.53 | LtL | rooisto47: two machines I assume? k, copy the .deb to the debian box and run it. |
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| 23:27.06 | rooisto47 | now the .gnupg/pubring.gpg is not empty like before I copied it to .gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg but amwase get the same msg error when running debmirror .... |
| 23:27.13 | LtL | rooisto47: I don't know anything about ubuntu and or it's compatibility with that key. Hope that helps. |
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| 23:27.54 | rooisto47 | oh ok this is probably the problem |
| 23:27.55 | LtL | rooisto47: why do you want to run debmirror |
| 23:28.40 | rooisto47 | LtL: to mirror a part of the dmm (testing/i386) to use it at home without internet |
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| 23:29.07 | rooisto47 | you have alternative solution ? |
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| 23:29.39 | rooisto47 | to get all the packages of the (testing/i386) section ? |
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| 23:31.09 | LtL | rooisto47: ok, now I see. The .deb file/key is my best guess. And alter the /etc/apt/sources.list if not already. |
| 23:31.28 | rooisto47 | to what ? |
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| 23:33.00 | rooisto47 | is there i magic command to download all packages of testing/i386 setion in debian-mutimedia.org ? |
| 23:33.04 | rooisto47 | ^^ |
| 23:33.07 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
| 23:33.27 | streuner_ | rooisto47: wget? |
| 23:33.44 | LtL | rooisto47: the sources.list needs the repo listed of course. the debian-multimedia-key.deb installs the proper key. wget can do that. |
| 23:33.44 | rooisto47 | and |
| 23:34.08 | PARLIAMENT | does anyone have a suggestion for a graphical frontend to the find utility? |
| 23:34.16 | Vbitz | what do i instal to build kernal modules |
| 23:34.33 | PARLIAMENT | sometimes I just want to find a file with a few options that should be checkboxes instead of poring over the man page :x |
| 23:34.35 | streuner_ | !b-e |
| 23:34.37 | dpkg | somebody said build-essential was a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 23:34.50 | rooisto47 | wget http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/* ?? |
| 23:34.52 | streuner_ | Vbitz, and the headers of course |
| 23:35.25 | streuner_ | no, read man or info wget, there are examples... |
| 23:35.39 | rooisto47 | ok |
| 23:38.17 | rooisto47 | can you give me the wget right syntax to download all those packages in http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ ? |
| 23:38.55 | psychik | wget -r |
| 23:38.55 | psychik | =) |
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| 23:40.42 | rooisto47 | := |
| 23:40.45 | rooisto47 | = |
| 23:40.57 | rooisto47 | i'll do that |
| 23:43.32 | PARLIAMENT | I'm just looking for something that calls find, not a file indexer or whatever that comes with gnome/kde |
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| 23:44.06 | rooisto47 | psychik: don't work all what I got is empty derectories |
| 23:45.00 | grepper | is there a way to check what compiler was used for my kernel ? Specifically 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 23:45.05 | dkr | PARLIAMENT: you could also learn how to use your shell more efficiently. I set mine up so that i can type find dir -<tab> and I get a list of options to tab complete, :) |
| 23:45.54 | dkr | PARLIAMENT: or you could use find --help to get a more concise listing of the options than the man page |
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| 23:46.11 | pipeline | grepper: cat /proc/version |
| 23:46.37 | grepper | pipeline: great, cheer |
| 23:46.42 | grepper | cheers that is |
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| 23:47.20 | dkr | PARLIAMENT: or you could use "aptitude search find" to answer your original question. :) kfind - file-find utility for KDE |
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| 23:55.13 | sphenxes | is there any media player that playes *.wmv on lenny? |
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| 23:55.35 | abrotman | totem |
| 23:55.51 | streuner_ | any of them, if you have the right codec installed... |
| 23:56.18 | streuner_ | vlc, xine, totem (frondend of xine) |
| 23:56.37 | streuner_ | mplayer |
| 23:56.55 | abrotman | totem with gstreamer also |
| 23:56.59 | sphenxes | steuner, thanks. what codec should i look for |
| 23:57.38 | streuner_ | Who should i know? |
| 23:57.50 | streuner_ | depends what kind of wmv you are using |
| 23:58.21 | streuner_ | but in general you need codecs out of dmm, or just install essential package of mplayer website |
| 23:58.48 | sphenxes | streuner_, abrotman, thanks |
| 23:59.03 | abrotman | probably not .. the gstreamer-plugins-bad/ugly |
| 23:59.33 | streuner_ | mplayer supports some basic stuff |
| 23:59.40 | streuner_ | out of the box |
