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| 00:04.28 | albertz | well thanks for all the information. I'll probably put one package online for now which is statically linked (only boost, all other stuff dynamically) and will try to setup the whole building environment later on when I have some more time for it. or maybe a better way is anyway to push my maintainer again about this :) |
| 00:05.22 | albertz | that are perhaps 500kb more data than the user really needs. but for a 160mb package, this is not really that serious :) |
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| 00:28.50 | Armageddon | how can I add my account to sudoer ? |
| 00:29.31 | llimeht | !sudoers |
| 00:29.31 | dpkg | You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo'. See also <visudo>. |
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| 00:31.45 | Armageddon | thank you llimeht |
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| 00:32.28 | llimeht | no worries |
| 00:32.30 | vrkhans | #gentoo |
| 00:32.34 | Armageddon | I just installed Lenny stable from the DVD sets, Debian does not detect my wireless, my bluetooth or my webcam and probably shutdown -h will restart, any idea ? |
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| 00:33.44 | sweetandy | What package would I use to use the telephone jack in my computer? |
| 00:33.55 | sweetandy | If I wanted to, say, dial a number |
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| 00:34.01 | kornholi | wow |
| 00:34.04 | kornholi | i just owned dpkg |
| 00:34.17 | kornholi | somehow ;o |
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| 00:34.52 | krislappy | hey guys |
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| 00:35.08 | krislappy | i'm having problems with my soundcard |
| 00:35.23 | krislappy | 00:10.2 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 00:35.39 | krislappy | alsa recognizes it and it worked fine until a few days ago, but now it doesn't work at all |
| 00:35.39 | kornholi | what problems |
| 00:36.10 | Armageddon | !repos |
| 00:36.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:36.13 | kornholi | try to reconfigure? |
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| 00:36.24 | krislappy | kornholi: i did, a few times now, still nothing |
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| 00:36.53 | kornholi | hmm |
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| 00:36.58 | yaboo | got a issue with software raid, added the extra disk, added the grow command, seems the extra space has not shown up |
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| 00:37.54 | squisher | yaboo, did you resize your filesystem? |
| 00:38.10 | yaboo | squisher: resize filesystem how? |
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| 00:38.50 | squisher | yaboo, depends on your filesystem |
| 00:38.59 | yaboo | squisher: using ext3 |
| 00:39.14 | squisher | have a look at the resize2fs command |
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| 00:39.22 | yaboo | squisher: thanks |
| 00:39.28 | squisher | np |
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| 00:44.41 | vrkhans | hi |
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| 00:45.06 | ruben23 | hi |
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| 00:46.03 | Armageddon | !mount |
| 00:46.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>. |
| 00:46.21 | krislappy | lol |
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| 00:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell krislappy -about alsa checklist |
| 00:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Armageddon -about selftell |
| 00:48.51 | Armageddon | self tell ? |
| 00:49.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | not? |
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| 00:51.51 | Armageddon | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm new here, I didn't know, thanks for telling :) |
| 00:52.03 | pinkisntwell | is it possible to access the debian mailing lists from nntp? |
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| 00:53.23 | dman777 | what is the diff. between aptitude upgrade and aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 00:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Armageddon, also, /msg dpkg wireless bluetooth was... difficult, last I remember, but perhaps the wiki has something: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser a lot of webcams work with v4l, but they need v4l2 which is... uh, in the libv4l-0 package, I think (also "/msg dpkg webcam" for the wiki url and specific drivers) |
| 00:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dman777, I think it's safe-upgrade now... and that means it'll keep packages from upgrading if that would cause certain things to happen |
| 00:55.44 | dman777 | CutMeOwnThroat: really? my book has both upgrade and full-upgrade listed for apt-cache |
| 00:55.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !full-upgrade |
| 00:55.52 | dpkg | full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
| 00:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !safe-upgrade |
| 00:56.02 | dpkg | safe-upgrade is, like, the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
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| 00:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dman777, /msg dpkg about the <others> if interested |
| 00:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, that's the first I hear of a difference between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 00:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what will they think of next |
| 00:57.12 | llimeht | pinkisntwell: yes, gmane has most of them and you can request more to be added through their website. |
| 00:57.48 | llimeht | CutMeOwnThroat: there is no difference |
| 00:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !qotd4 |
| 00:57.52 | dpkg | <alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha |
| 00:58.06 | pinkisntwell | llimeht: hmmm my newsserver doesn't carry gmane. but thanks, i will ask for it |
| 00:58.19 | llimeht | pinkisntwell: gmane *is* a news server |
| 00:58.35 | krislappy | CutMeOwnThroat: yup, did all that |
| 00:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right, mis-read the factoid |
| 00:58.42 | krislappy | everything seems ok, except it won't play |
| 00:59.23 | pinkisntwell | llimeht: ohhhh. i thought they were just newsgroups |
| 00:59.30 | pinkisntwell | llimeht: i'm dumb |
| 00:59.43 | pinkisntwell | llimeht: so can i access them using any newsreader? |
| 00:59.57 | llimeht | yes |
| 01:00.13 | pinkisntwell | llimeht: thanks |
| 01:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | krislappy, then the speakers are on, but plugged into the microphone outlet? |
| 01:00.55 | krislappy | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 01:01.04 | krislappy | checked for that a long time ago |
| 01:01.56 | llimeht | pinkisntwell: e.g. go to http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.linux.debian and there are nntp:// links that you can feed your reader |
| 01:02.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, if it's not just muted or the speaker not plugged in somehow, you should get an error when putting things into /dev/dsp |
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| 01:03.13 | krislappy | i meant, everything hardware related seems to be in order, all the drivers are there, but nothing plays |
| 01:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the player plays but you don't hear anything is what you're saying, no? |
| 01:04.29 | dman777 | does apt-get dist-upgrade remove packages even if they are currently in use? |
| 01:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "currently in use"? |
| 01:05.00 | krisfremen | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/d6c5a89f |
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| 01:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | faulty ~/.asoundrc ? |
| 01:06.28 | dman777 | CutMeOwnThroat: good question. that is what my book saids for apt-cache full-upgrade. |
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| 01:06.46 | dman777 | CutMeOwnThroat: i dind't realize in linux files were being used real time. |
| 01:06.57 | dman777 | CutMeOwnThroat: other than /proc and /dev that is |
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| 01:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | "used real time"? |
| 01:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the package is of a daemon, the daemon will be stopped by the install scripts |
| 01:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's a user-program, and you have the program running, apt/dpkg will ignore it (actually not even know about it) |
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| 01:09.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're reading a manpage from the package: ditto |
| 01:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you mean by "in use" that other packages depend on it: if apt has to remove a package, it will also remove all packages that depend on it |
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| 01:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | full-upgrade doesn't normally remove packages, though - I happily kept running apache 1.3 until I finally noticed that it had vanished from the repos (same with xmms) |
| 01:13.07 | dman777 | CutMeOwnThroat: let me rephrase that question, if the executable is ran outside the terminal than it will be stopped by the intsall scripts. if it ran from inside the terminal by a user than it will be ignored. correct? |
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| 01:14.31 | krisfremen | hmmmm |
| 01:14.50 | dman777 | i don't use debain. i'm asking for the lpi test |
| 01:15.06 | dman777 | although i used to a long time ago |
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| 01:17.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 01:21.39 | adb | no == not to all ? |
| 01:21.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the install script started it (or dpkg-reconfigure), it'll also stop it (and actually the whole postinstall script often fails horribly if the service is not running for a reason, which I see as a bug) |
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| 01:22.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you ran something from the package in however way, the packager can't know about it |
| 01:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, no, it's not a good night :-P |
| 01:23.07 | adb | oh.. sorry |
| 01:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | or no, it's not hmmmm |
| 01:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | or I answered to dman777 :) |
| 01:23.33 | Rix | hi |
| 01:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse adb |
| 01:23.36 | dpkg | Yes, those are our bacon yesterday, adb? Trousers of the People's Republic of Liechtenstein with extra cheese. |
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| 01:24.08 | peterrooney | Emergency pants. |
| 01:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.42 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat, same for Republic of Geneva .. |
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| 01:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but Geneva is a Monarchy! |
| 01:26.25 | adb | nah .. |
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| 01:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah? And what about Elvis? |
| 01:27.00 | adb | dunno .. |
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| 01:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, see! You better not mess with me and my weasels hamster |
| 01:28.19 | adb | ok ;) |
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| 01:34.32 | pythos | Hi, so Im trying to get a netinst done, and I get all the way to downloading file 809 of 809, and it sits at 25% for about four hours now... can't imagine what the problem is, however, I hope I don't have to go all the way back throug the whole process of an install jsut to get the final 75% of the last file in the dl queue. Suggestions? |
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| 01:36.25 | o2T7 | Which backups tool do you recommend me for making backups locally (same LAN, even same machine -- external attached HD)? |
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| 01:36.59 | pythos | Hi, so Im trying to get a netinst done, and I get all the way to downloading file 809 of |
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| 01:36.59 | pythos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.01 | pythos | Hi, so Im trying to get a netinst done, and I get all the way to downloading file 809 of 809, and it sits at 25% for about four hours now... can't imagine what the problem is, however, I hope I don't have to go all the way back throug the whole process of an install jsut to get the final 75% of the last file in the dl queue. Suggestions? |
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| 01:40.06 | o2T7 | oh, I forgot to mention it, _incremental_ backups :) (until now I was simply using rsync, but I need to have some type of "return point" |
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| 01:43.06 | abrotman | pythos: switch to alt-f3 |
| 01:43.59 | pythos | well.. it doesnt look too different from alt-f2 |
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| 01:48.18 | abrotman | pythos: one of them has a log . .maybe it's f4 |
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| 01:57.52 | dagobart | I just moved an PATA disk to a USB case. There are 17 partitions on it, but when connecting the usb case to a box, only /dev/sde1..15 show up. How to access the remainder? |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | dagobart: what is your kernel ? |
| 02:01.37 | dagobart | abrotman: 2.6.26 i think |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | dagobart: i vaguely recall some issue awhile ago related to a large number of partitions |
| 02:02.43 | dagobart | abrotman: do you have a keyword at hand I could google? |
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| 02:03.34 | abrotman | i wish i could remember the phrasing |
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| 02:03.47 | dagobart | abrotman: :-) |
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| 02:05.09 | dagobart | abrotman: different question: what tool would be used to set up a device (/dev/sdxy) manually? |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | mknod perhaps .. not sure you can still do that with udev |
| 02:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | o2T7, rsnapshot? |
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| 02:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | o2T7, or... "apt-cache search incremental backup"? |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | dagobart: fdisk -l /dev/sde .. do you see them all ? |
| 02:09.39 | dagobart | abrotman: yes |
| 02:09.51 | dagobart | abrotman: that was what I started with.. |
| 02:10.35 | dagobart | abrotman: /etc/udev/links.conf gives a pointer: "If you need manually created devices, create them in /lib/udev/devices/" ... looking into it |
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| 02:13.58 | Eric02 | i am having issue with ethernet e1000e |
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| 02:14.11 | Eric02 | my server is having huge number of timeout and hangs all the time / freezing |
| 02:14.16 | Eric02 | i am trying to install latest e1000e-1.1.2 |
| 02:14.20 | Eric02 | to solve this issue |
| 02:14.47 | Eric02 | when i am doing: make install |
| 02:14.52 | Eric02 | i am getting this error message |
| 02:14.53 | Eric02 | Makefile:70: *** Linux kernel source not found in any of these locations: |
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| 02:15.00 | Eric02 | Makefile:72: *** Install the appropriate kernel development package, e.g. |
| 02:15.05 | Eric02 | Makefile:73: *** kernel-devel, for building kernel modules and try again. Stop. |
| 02:15.13 | o2T7 | CutMeOwnThroat: I was just reading about rsnapshot. After your recommendation, I will definitely give it a try :) |
| 02:15.24 | Eric02 | i can't upgrade ethernet driver. |
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| 02:15.54 | Eric02 | any help with that please ? |
| 02:18.19 | o2T7 | Eric02: I guess that you are missing your kernel source |
| 02:19.22 | Eric02 | i am using: 2.6.30-2-686-bigmem |
| 02:19.30 | Eric02 | normal 2.6.30-2-686-bigmem |
| 02:19.41 | Eric02 | anything else i should install to make it work ? |
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| 02:22.32 | abrotman | Eric02: i thought you'd fixed tha tlast night ? |
| 02:23.28 | Eric02 | abrotman: 2.6.30-2-686-bigmem fixed the ram problem. |
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| 02:23.33 | Eric02 | I am having issue with ethernet port |
| 02:23.57 | Eric02 | getting this message all the time: [77403.530441] 0000:03:00.0: eth0: Detected Tx Unit Hang: |
| 02:24.07 | Eric02 | and server is freezing for 2-3 minute. |
| 02:24.12 | Eric02 | it's happening 1-2 times every hour. |
| 02:24.46 | Eric02 | researched around and found, if i upgrade my ethernet driver to latest stable version: e1000e-1.1.2 |
| 02:24.50 | Eric02 | it will solve the issue. |
| 02:24.58 | Eric02 | but can't upgrade it. |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | which version of debian is this ? |
| 02:25.21 | Eric02 | Debian Lenny. |
| 02:25.47 | Eric02 | Linux mail20 2.6.30-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 02:30:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 02:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem? |
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| 02:28.46 | Eric02 | only normal 2.6.30-2-686-bigmem |
| 02:29.11 | Eric02 | should i install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem ? |
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| 02:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess |
| 02:29.22 | Eric02 | how can i check if it already exist. |
| 02:29.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l <package> |
| 02:29.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package> |
| 02:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 02:29.57 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 02:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you better... |
| 02:30.44 | Eric02 | linux-headers is not in the list. |
| 02:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... "apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem" |
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| 02:32.21 | Eric02 | http://pastebin.com/d7085cd53 |
| 02:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
| 02:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know what that says! |
| 02:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't! |
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| 02:33.13 | Eric02 | hm ok |
| 02:33.23 | Eric02 | should i install: linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem ? |
| 02:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | that contains (next to other things) the package description |
| 02:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you should totally be able to answer that question after you read it |
| 02:34.17 | Eric02 | Seems yes :) |
| 02:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it also tells you where the headers go... which you might have to communicate to your configure script or whatever |
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| 02:35.56 | Eric02 | http://pastebin.com/d21adae25 |
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| 02:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so? |
| 02:37.47 | Eric02 | cannot write to /var/cache/man/cat7/e1000e.7.gz in catman mode |
| 02:37.47 | Eric02 | e1000e. |
| 02:37.50 | Eric02 | is it normal ? |
| 02:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | does /var/cache/man/cat7/ exist? |
| 02:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | as a directory? |
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| 02:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, that's just a manpage |
| 02:39.10 | Eric02 | ok |
| 02:39.20 | Eric02 | trying this: modprobe e1000e |
| 02:39.22 | Eric02 | but getting error |
| 02:39.40 | Eric02 | some warnings. |
| 02:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the module itself was already installed with install -D -m 644 e1000e.ko /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/net/e1000e/e1000e.ko |
| 02:39.44 | Eric02 | should ignore it ? |
| 02:39.53 | Eric02 | ok |
| 02:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what error |
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| 02:40.09 | Eric02 | WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/display_class, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 02:40.13 | Eric02 | WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/pnp-hotplug, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 02:40.18 | Eric02 | WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release. |
| 02:40.21 | surfdue | question how can i verify my datacenter setup the software RAID 1, mount dosnt show me an extra hard drive |
| 02:40.21 | Eric02 | these 3 warnings. |
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| 02:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | warning aren't errors :) |
| 02:41.12 | d1b | CutMeOwnThroat: sure they are! |
| 02:41.14 | Eric02 | ok :) |
| 02:41.20 | d1b | for normal users they are just annoying |
| 02:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what those mean |
| 02:41.37 | Eric02 | CutMeOwnThroat: as new driver is installed. |
| 02:41.41 | Eric02 | is it already loaded ? |
| 02:41.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems something changed with the files read by modprobe |
| 02:41.52 | Eric02 | ethtool -i eth0 |
| 02:41.58 | Eric02 | shows old driver info |
| 02:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you unload the old kernel module? |
| 02:42.23 | Eric02 | nope |
| 02:42.29 | Eric02 | this will do this job: rmmod e1000e; modprobe e1000e ? |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
| 02:44.32 | Eric02 | modprobe -r e1000e ? |
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| 02:44.50 | sparr | in iceweasel (firefox), some (most? all?) dropdown boxes only open in one direction for me, often upwards. this results in many options being un-selectable. what could cause this? |
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| 02:48.01 | Eric02 | modprobe -r e1000e will load new ethernet driver ? |
| 02:48.24 | Eric02 | i don't have access to the server in person. |
| 02:48.33 | Eric02 | i don't want to get busted :-/ |
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| 02:51.07 | Absorto | hello! so: my laptop has a core2 duo cpu, I'm pretty sure it's 64bit. But somewhere I read that for many applications 32bit binaries run faster, even on 64bit cpus. Which should I install? |
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| 02:53.34 | abrotman | Absorto: do you need any third-party binary-only apps ? |
| 02:54.40 | Absorto | abrotman: I don't think so. |
| 02:55.02 | Absorto | but I think there's a driver for my video card |
| 02:56.03 | Absorto | like a binary-only driver provided by the manufacturer, I'm not sure. It's an Intel GL960 |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | should be open |
| 02:58.25 | Absorto | okay, so... no. |
| 02:58.48 | tensorpudding | do you know the wifi chipset? |
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| 02:59.55 | Absorto | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] |
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| 03:03.59 | Absorto | I'll go 32bit. Thanks! |
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| 03:06.15 | pythos | abrotman, having ifc troubles here, did you see my last question? |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:06.53 | pythos | I mean the one about where the .deb files are stored ? |
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| 03:07.19 | abrotman | uh ... didn't appear here |
| 03:08.32 | pythos | ya, figured. anyway, the log only says that the d/l was started on the last file, which is stuck at %25 still... I thought I might just apt-get install *.deb in the dir where the install stores the d/l'd .deb's |
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| 03:13.28 | abrotman | !5% error |
| 03:13.29 | dpkg | well, 5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. This can be caused by using an out-of-date version of the installation media that doesn't have the latest archive key on it or if you hit a mirror that is incompletely updated. |
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| 03:20.26 | ridoo | hey folks .. I wanna start gpsd from python, but gpsd needs sudo access .. is there a way to add gpsd to an exception list to start it w/o root rights? |
| 03:24.13 | pythos | k |
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| 03:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | "chmod u+s /usr/sbin/gpsd"? |
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| 03:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, how weird |
| 03:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !6% error |
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| 04:16.17 | krisfremen | phew |
| 04:16.23 | crlsgms | hi , can anyone help me with this error http://pastebin.com/d55e77a79 |
| 04:16.56 | krisfremen | sorted out the sound problem, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 04:17.14 | pickcoder | crlsgms: why are you installing ubuntu packages? |
| 04:17.21 | krisfremen | and now another problem... where can i change the "power" settings? |
| 04:17.40 | krisfremen | like.. when the monitor goes blank and stuff like that |
| 04:17.57 | crlsgms | pickcoder, maybe i messed up my repos |
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| 04:19.34 | Hellmark | Hello, setting up a new machine, and installed konqueror, and konq-nsplugin, but, flash still doesn't want to load in konq. |
| 04:19.54 | Hellmark | keeps asking if I want to download flash |
| 04:20.14 | Hellmark | when I've already installed flashplugin |
| 04:22.50 | krisfremen | anyone? |
| 04:23.09 | Hellmark | hello |
| 04:24.58 | o2T7 | Hellmark: check konqueror's plugins directory. Perhaps the flash player package didn't drop a copy(or link) of the plugin in it. |
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| 04:25.31 | krisfremen | Hellmark: try logging off and back on? |
| 04:27.03 | crlsgms | pickcoder, http://pastebin.com/d112cce42 |
| 04:27.31 | pickcoder | crlsgms: so why ask in here? |
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| 04:28.53 | Hellmark | o2T7, where is the directory now? I'm used to kde 3.5, where konq had a setting to where you could look up where it was |
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| 04:33.59 | o2T7 | Hellmark: Is it not possible to specify it in "Settings -> Plugins"? |
| 04:34.52 | Hellmark | o2T7, seems to be gone. |
| 04:35.08 | Hellmark | the entire plugins section |
| 04:36.50 | o2T7 | Perhaps it looks .mozilla/plugins for plugins |
| 04:37.07 | Hellmark | which I have flash in there |
| 04:37.19 | pickcoder | Hellmark: did you install konq-plugins? |
| 04:37.23 | Hellmark | yes |
| 04:37.36 | pickcoder | not the netscape compat.. the main plugins |
| 04:37.41 | Hellmark | yes |
| 04:38.29 | Hellmark | konq-plugins, konqueror-nsplugins, and konq-plugins-l18n |
| 04:41.27 | o2T7 | Hellmark: Did you try to drop in .mozilla/plugins another plugin different from libflashplayer? |
| 04:41.45 | o2T7 | Perhaps it is an error in flashplayer<->konqueror |
| 04:42.18 | pickcoder | I can't find the l18n package |
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| 04:45.03 | Hellmark | o2T7, tried with unpacking my own copied from adobe.com into it, and tried with installing flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:48.06 | pickcoder | may be a bug |
| 04:48.29 | pickcoder | did you search the BTS |
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| 04:49.17 | Hellmark | in the process of, pickcoder |
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| 04:59.47 | n-iCe | Ok I'll try again here, to see if tonight someone can help me, the thing is, I own an ipod touch, I'm using Lenny 5.0, but banshee, rythm, songbird are not detecting the ipod, the ipod does not even appear in my computer as a hard drive, nothing, any ideas? |
| 05:00.47 | pickcoder | n-iCe: does it show in lsusb |
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| 05:01.42 | n-iCe | yes |
| 05:01.52 | n-iCe | Bus 007 Device 004: ID 05ac:1291 Apple, Inc. |
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| 05:04.46 | adb | installed ?> ipod - tool for retrieving informations from iPods |
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| 05:09.27 | n-iCe | adb: yes |
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| 05:50.16 | krisfremen | ok... where's the power management in debian? |
| 05:51.49 | axscode | ive edited my /etc/network/interfaces but seems when i rebooted its not working.. |
| 05:51.51 | krisfremen | monitor related pm in specific |
| 05:52.03 | krisfremen | axscode: /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 05:52.13 | axscode | i did thats krisfremen... /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 05:52.17 | axscode | force-reload |
| 05:52.19 | krisfremen | oh yes |
| 05:52.22 | krisfremen | my bad |
| 05:52.27 | krisfremen | hmmm |
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| 05:52.52 | axscode | seems not doing the thing.. i'm running GDM before thats where i put my netconfig, but now i turned it off... |
| 05:53.04 | axscode | i turned off the GDM, |
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| 05:54.56 | edektor | how can I unpack an ipk |
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| 06:00.17 | acc_ | Hi #Debian. I thought I read somewhere that it is not recommended to use Ubuntu debs or PPAs in Debian, but can't seem to find it again. Could someone please point me to more information? Thanks. |
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| 06:02.03 | dondelelcaro | acc_: you can |
| 06:02.11 | dondelelcaro | acc_: err, you can point to me, if you want. |
| 06:02.23 | dondelelcaro | acc_: they're certainly not interchangeable at all |
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| 06:03.32 | acc_ | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 06:04.42 | liable | grr, something is hogging my audio and fuser and lsof isnt telling me |
| 06:05.50 | eagles0513875 | hey any xen users in here that can help me with an issue |
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| 06:06.24 | dondelelcaro | eagles0513875: best to ask your question |
| 06:07.13 | eagles0513875 | im having issues using xen-create-image to make a 2nd guest. my host is debian lenny 64bit and im making a 2nd vm with the same command i used to make the first but modified vm name and ip yet im getting an error with it |
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| 06:10.21 | newsense | anyone know of a good snort guide, seems like the default rules are overkill for a small lan with really no services at the moment |
| 06:11.25 | eagles0513875 | newsense: snort.org has good documentation |
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| 06:12.16 | newsense | eagles0513875: i'll have to look there again, most docs i come across are for bigger lans with more services and users |
| 06:12.37 | eagles0513875 | newsense: there is also a snort channel on here if you need some help |
| 06:13.48 | newsense | eagles0513875: seems to me snort isn't really desktop user friendly but thanks |
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| 06:15.07 | newsense | i just want to monitor for different types of port scans and multiple attempted connections to known ports like 80 22 etc |
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| 06:16.25 | newsense | i could do without knowing who's using chat or torrent or whatever |
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| 06:18.50 | eagles0513875 | newsense: i dunno best ask in the snort channel |
| 06:19.41 | newsense | eagles0513875: nah they'll point me to some advanced doc, not what i want |
| 06:19.55 | newsense | it's cool, i'll figure it out |
| 06:20.09 | eagles0513875 | they would also help u they helped me discover how to enable bad packet auto banning using snort in inline mode with iptables |
| 06:20.29 | newsense | eagles0513875: exactly my point, thanks |
| 06:20.44 | newsense | go in with an advanced subject and all is well |
| 06:20.56 | eagles0513875 | hehe tell me about it try xen out |
| 06:21.04 | eagles0513875 | get u swearing a million times worse then snort im sure of it |
| 06:21.09 | newsense | i use kvm myself |
| 06:21.39 | eagles0513875 | fixed 2 major headaches i had now i have another annoyance which no debian user can help with atm :( as xen-tools is debian specific |
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| 06:22.38 | newsense | never used xen, my cpu supports virtualization so i went with kvm, pretty simple |
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| 06:24.14 | eagles0513875 | xen = more for server side kvm for desktops according to debian documentation |
| 06:24.36 | newsense | yeah that's what i read too |
| 06:25.01 | newsense | i'm just connecting locally anyways |
| 06:25.31 | newsense | if i was to host a virtual server i might look into kvm vs xen more |
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| 06:36.09 | lk | Any recommendations for free DNS? |
| 06:36.39 | eagles0513875 | !dns |
| 06:36.51 | eagles0513875 | dumb bot |
| 06:37.05 | eagles0513875 | lk: dns for what a dynamic ip? |
| 06:37.48 | lk | It's static enough that I don't need to worry about it changing. |
| 06:39.13 | lk | eagles0513875, I like freedns.ws's site more than zoneedit.com's, but I know nothing of either one. |
| 06:39.36 | eagles0513875 | !freedns |
| 06:39.58 | lk | I guess the bot you're looking for took a hike. |
| 06:40.07 | eagles0513875 | ya or doesnt have the info |
| 06:40.11 | eagles0513875 | let me try on an ubuntu bot |
| 06:40.28 | eagles0513875 | that didnt help either |
| 06:41.30 | lk | Oh well. I'll go with the one that has the prettier site for now, and if it fails, then I'll try the other. |
| 06:41.43 | lk | It's nothing mission critical, otherwise I'd cough up the cash. |
| 06:41.44 | eagles0513875 | it shouldnt i have talked to people who use it on kubuntu no problem |
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| 06:42.02 | eagles0513875 | lk: why not setup bind9 on a machine if you have one or 2 you could spare |
| 06:43.23 | lk | eagles0513875, I live on the edge. I'm absolutely running everything on one machine. |
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| 06:43.39 | eagles0513875 | lk: if you have the hardware why not virtualize |
| 06:43.42 | eagles0513875 | get more bang for ur buck |
| 06:43.59 | niklaswe | gaah i really hate when i must patch server early in the morning |
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| 06:44.24 | eagles0513875 | niklaswe: you work with xen before on debian cuz i got a question regarding xen-create-image |
| 06:45.13 | niklaswe | eagles0513875: nope |
| 06:45.26 | niklaswe | eagles0513875: sorry man |
| 06:45.31 | lk | eagles0513875, that's the idea eventually. |
| 06:45.54 | eagles0513875 | lk: good luck xen will have u swering but i overcame my major hurdels |
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| 06:46.02 | eagles0513875 | now having another one which is more debian specific |
| 06:46.05 | eagles0513875 | and its pissing me off now |
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| 06:48.02 | lk | eagles0513875, the most virtualization experience I have right now is from trying to run FreeBSD inside VirtualBox. |
| 06:48.09 | lk | But I plan to change that. |
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| 06:48.36 | eagles0513875 | lk: good luck xen isnt documented very well for a novice like me but i have learned alot from the pros |
| 06:48.46 | eagles0513875 | its a really good hardware based virtualization option |
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| 06:50.13 | eagles0513875 | lk: if you do go xen i would compile a newer kernel for paravirtualization support |
| 06:50.54 | lk | eagles0513875, why'd you pick xen over whatever the other choices are/were? |
| 06:51.50 | eagles0513875 | kvm is more if u wanna virtualize desktop based distros such as kubuntu for ex |
| 06:51.55 | eagles0513875 | xen is mroe server oriented |
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| 06:54.20 | lk | eagles0513875, I see. Btw, I already dislike freedns.ws. It promotes very bad DNS writing habits (e.g., the trailing dot counts as incorrect syntax). |
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| 06:54.33 | eagles0513875 | O_o |
| 06:54.44 | eagles0513875 | i use dyndns.org but thats due to me being on a dynamic ip |
| 06:56.24 | lk | eagles0513875, it also bullies you into writing out the full name for CNAMEs, e.g., www.domain.com instead of just www. |
| 06:56.35 | eagles0513875 | !bind9 |
| 06:56.35 | dpkg | from memory, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a <DNS> server. To install: "aptitude install bind9 bind9-doc". See also <bind9 lenny>, <bind9 chroot>, <bind9 etch>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 https://www.isc.org/software/bind #bind on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:56.56 | eagles0513875 | lk: i would still prefer in all honesty having my own dns server |
| 06:57.04 | lk | eagles0513875, tempt me not =/ |
| 06:57.05 | eagles0513875 | just due to the fact you can configure it the way you want it |
| 06:57.09 | lk | hahah, yeah. |
| 06:57.22 | eagles0513875 | im not tempting you im just being honest and frank with you |
| 06:58.39 | eagles0513875 | im tempted once i get my hands on my server im goign to probably use xen |
| 06:58.42 | eagles0513875 | not sure yet |
| 06:59.24 | lk | eagles0513875, now for a webserver. I've never used lighttpd. Have you? |
| 06:59.30 | eagles0513875 | nope |
| 06:59.45 | eagles0513875 | im getting my first server soon so i can migrate my webhosting business to my house |
| 06:59.54 | eagles0513875 | !lighttpd |
| 06:59.55 | dpkg | it has been said that lighttpd is a small and fast HTTP server with a minimal memory footprint. To install: "aptitude install lighttpd lighttpd-doc", then read /etc/lighttpd/conf-available/README, see also http://localhost/ . http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://lighttpd.net/ #lighttpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <httpd>. |
| 07:00.02 | eagles0513875 | !apache |
| 07:00.02 | dpkg | hmm... apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://httpd.apache.org/ #apache on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:00.11 | eagles0513875 | that would be a tough decision |
| 07:00.21 | eagles0513875 | high performance or something small |
| 07:00.33 | eagles0513875 | thing is for me my server is a beast i can just up the memory |
| 07:00.45 | eagles0513875 | and up the hard drive space 2 |
| 07:00.48 | eagles0513875 | hehe |
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| 07:05.43 | eagles0513875 | thinks me killed lk |
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| 07:20.20 | pro | hi guys, i keep getting a error saying perl: warning: Setting locale failed. and i cant remember how to fix it, and googling is giving me stuff thats not working |
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| 07:24.51 | lk | eagles0513875, oops, sorry, was afk reading a very odd email from a very odd lady. |
| 07:25.01 | pro | never mind, i fixed it |
| 07:25.20 | nsadmin | pro: future reference... would have wanted to know... |
| 07:25.43 | nsadmin | if happened during boot, during login, during something you did and what you did |
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| 07:25.53 | pro | i uninstalled locales and then installed it again and then ran dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 07:26.03 | eagles0513875 | lk thought i killed ya |
| 07:26.05 | eagles0513875 | with options |
| 07:26.13 | pro | it was set to 'en' and i changed it to EN_us |
| 07:26.24 | lk | Oh, two options. Yeah. I hate having choices. |
| 07:26.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 07:26.37 | nsadmin | but what were you doingwhen you got the err? |
| 07:26.42 | pro | i have had it often after a apt-get upgade |
| 07:26.52 | nsadmin | ohh got it |
| 07:26.55 | lk | eagles0513875, I have experience with apache since it's what we run at work, but I've taken a liking to lighter, faster apps. |
| 07:27.05 | pro | i was running apt-get install exim4-daemon-heavy ( or anythign that uses perl ) |
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| 07:27.18 | lk | But at the same time, I don't want to have to jump through hurdles to get things running. |
| 07:27.23 | nsadmin | lk: hate having choices? that's why you're running debian? :) |
| 07:27.35 | nsadmin | oh man are you in for a rough ride :) |
| 07:27.39 | lk | nsadmin, I never claimed logic as a forte. |
| 07:27.54 | eagles0513875 | lk my point exactly would rather go with something that is well developed |
| 07:28.15 | pro | whats wrong with apache? its well supported, |
| 07:28.27 | lk | pro, nothing's wrong. |
| 07:28.33 | nsadmin | apache for what? mail? |
| 07:28.46 | nsadmin | apache's for shooting arrows! |
| 07:28.47 | lk | Just as webserver for side project dev. |
| 07:28.49 | lk | That's kind of why I'm researching lighttpd. I mean, if it works nearly as well as apache, then I might as well give it a shot. |
| 07:29.24 | lk | eagles0513875, plus, to be honest, apache's not _that_ resource hungry. |
| 07:29.37 | eagles0513875 | ya |
| 07:29.45 | pro | lk or write one? years ago i did in a script, it was about 30 lines and did logging and checked for some exploits and it could run php |
| 07:29.49 | eagles0513875 | lk: put it on a test machine |
| 07:29.54 | lk | Most of our older servers are still chugging away fine with between four and nine GB of RAM (don't ask me, I wasn't the one who put in the modules). |
| 07:30.00 | eagles0513875 | nice pro why not release it |
| 07:30.10 | eagles0513875 | lol lk 9 O_o not going to ask |
| 07:30.12 | lk | pro, I was thinking of writing one in python. |
| 07:30.40 | eagles0513875 | lk: the one im getting is a nice 1u dell rackmountable server duel socket quad xenon up to 128gb of ram and 4tb hdd space |
| 07:30.48 | lk | eagles0513875, and some of those older servers have like 60+ sites on them. Yes, live. |
| 07:30.55 | eagles0513875 | nice |
| 07:31.04 | pro | cause i wrote it to prove a friend wrong, he was a java coder and we were sitting smoking weed and he showed me this fancy thing he wrote in java and I laughed and said i could do that in a script, so he said no you cant.... |
| 07:31.08 | nsadmin | I'm getting a weird interaction between timidity and qtractor |
| 07:31.09 | eagles0513875 | linux memory management kicks ass win fails in comparison |
| 07:31.14 | linuxguy2009 | I downloaded "alsa-driver-1.0.22.1.tar.bz2" from the alsa website and I can easily ./configure,make,make install it on my netbook. I have been trying to make a deb package from it to see if its possible by doing ./configure,make,checkinstall -D. Then using dpkg to install it says "dpkg: error processing /home/mark/Desktop/alsa-driver_1.0.22.1-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 07:31.14 | linuxguy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:31.23 | nsadmin | running lenny now, and it was in etch too |
| 07:31.28 | lk | eagles0513875, you can probably just buy a used DL3x0 that'll run stuff just fine. |
| 07:31.45 | lk | e.g,. a generation 4 DL360. |
| 07:31.47 | nsadmin | so here's what happens... |
| 07:31.53 | pro | and then lost it somewhere along the way, all i used was bash, inetd and the stuff thats intalled with linux |
| 07:31.57 | eagles0513875 | ya lk but this 1u server isnt expensive |
| 07:32.10 | lk | Oh. Even better, then. |
| 07:32.25 | eagles0513875 | PowerEdge R410 Rack Chassis for Up to 4x 3.5" Hot Plug HDDs with LCD Diagnostics |
| 07:32.25 | eagles0513875 | Processor Intel® Xeon® E5504, 2.0Ghz, 4M Cache, 4.86 GT/s QPI, 800MHz Max Memory |
| 07:32.25 | eagles0513875 | Additional Processor Optional |
| 07:32.25 | eagles0513875 | Memory 4GB Memory for 1 CPU, DDR3, 1066MHz (2x2GB Dual Ranked RDIMMs) |
| 07:32.25 | eagles0513875 | Optical Devices 16X DVD+/-RW ROM SATA Drive |
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| 07:32.54 | nsadmin | I start timidity to act as an alsa sequencer client, I fire up qtractor, load a sequence, connect to the timidity, all fine. |
| 07:32.56 | eagles0513875 | those are the specs |
| 07:32.58 | eagles0513875 | forgot bout that |
| 07:33.01 | lk | eagles0513875, that's sufficient for years to come unless you're doing something really weird on it. |
| 07:33.07 | nsadmin | play, stop, play, stop, edit, all fine |
| 07:33.20 | eagles0513875 | haha im debating if i should virtualize though on it |
| 07:33.28 | nsadmin | but when I quit qtractor, timidity segfaults |
| 07:33.34 | lk | Btw, eagles0513875, hot plug SAS or SCSI or SATA? |
| 07:34.09 | eagles0513875 | sas = scsi i think |
| 07:34.17 | eagles0513875 | wait |
| 07:34.23 | eagles0513875 | sas/sata |
| 07:34.34 | nsadmin | I think it has something to do with what happens when qtractor closes midi sequencer connection. |
| 07:34.43 | eagles0513875 | hot plug :) but comes stock with 2 500gb hdd's |
| 07:34.57 | eagles0513875 | dunno might upgrade to 2x1tb once i get the server not sure |
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| 07:35.36 | lk | Okay, those are very unlikely to be SCSI then, so on the bright side, they won't be pricey. |
| 07:36.02 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 07:36.17 | lk | If you can get 4 x 500 GB, that would be the most cost effective, I think. |
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| 07:36.41 | lk | RAID 1+0 on that would probably cost the same as a RAID 1 using 2 x 1 TB. |
| 07:36.45 | lk | But it'll be a lot more reliable. |
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| 07:37.01 | lk | And if your webserver needs _that_ much storage space, hahah, get a SAN. |
| 07:37.52 | lk | Btw, where are you going to put it? Those things are loud as heck. |
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| 07:40.32 | lk | Okay, gotta sleep, ttyl eagles0513875 and nsadmin. |
| 07:40.36 | eagles0513875 | lk: since its 1u only 2 slots btw |
| 07:40.50 | eagles0513875 | lk: good question havent thought of where ot put it yet |
| 07:41.15 | lk | eagles0513875, you won't appreciate how loud they are till they're running for a day or two next to you. |
| 07:41.31 | pro | haha |
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| 07:42.13 | lk | eagles0513875, it looks like it has four HDD bays regardless of whether you use 2.5" drives or 3.5". |
| 07:42.28 | eagles0513875 | oh lk |
| 07:42.39 | eagles0513875 | lk: noise dont bother me i feel like im on teh enterprise or something lol |
| 07:42.46 | eagles0513875 | watches too much startrek |
| 07:42.53 | pro | i used to have a 4U dell and that thing drove me insane, i eventually took all the fans out soldered it all closed and filled it with engine oil |
| 07:43.14 | eagles0513875 | nice |
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| 07:43.21 | lk | My predecessors named a server ncc-1701. I regret that decision to this day. |
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| 07:43.25 | eagles0513875 | did you see what they did with a fish tank and cooking oil |
| 07:43.36 | pro | yeah it was nice, till it sprung a leak, that was not nice |
| 07:43.41 | eagles0513875 | they put the motherboard cpu and all that |
| 07:43.46 | eagles0513875 | pro: how did that happen |
| 07:44.00 | pro | i never soldered as good as i though i did |
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| 07:44.05 | lk | hahah |
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| 07:45.14 | pro | like i took the thing and soldered/brazed all the holes closed and then took aliminum plates and stacked them like a heat sink and stuck that into the oil and left a house fan blowing on it |
| 07:45.16 | arezey | did debian etch work on a 700mhz/512mb server? |
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| 07:45.35 | arezey | 512mb of ram |
| 07:45.46 | eagles0513875 | arezey: i dont see why it wouldnt u planning on using a desktop environment |
| 07:45.56 | pro | it was a lot of effort but it was a dual P3-450 ( and in those days it was awesome machine ) |
| 07:46.18 | arezey | eagles0513875, no, i mean it for a server |
| 07:46.25 | eagles0513875 | arezey: ya ull be fine |
| 07:46.30 | arezey | oki thanks |
| 07:46.37 | pro | anyway, i must do some work, bbl |
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| 07:47.18 | eagles0513875 | you dont need much ram for server unless u really planning on doing something super intensive where it needs the ram arezey. that machine would probably make a good firewall put another nic in one to the outside one for internal traffic that wants to go outside |
| 07:48.29 | arezey | i see |
| 07:48.59 | arezey | well thanks, gotta go |
| 07:49.02 | nsadmin | how much ram is it? |
| 07:50.46 | eagles0513875 | he said 512 nsadmin |
| 07:50.53 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: you ever work with xen |
| 07:51.08 | nsadmin | yes I have |
| 07:51.17 | nsadmin | well played :) |
| 07:51.28 | eagles0513875 | im having a problem with xen-tools and creating a 2nd vm with it |
| 07:51.31 | eagles0513875 | and what was well played |
| 07:51.35 | eagles0513875 | let me pastbin my issue |
| 07:51.42 | nsadmin | wel, played not worked |
| 07:52.00 | eagles0513875 | ahh ok |
| 07:52.02 | eagles0513875 | nm :( |
| 07:52.06 | eagles0513875 | might not be able to help me then |
| 07:52.33 | nsadmin | I have an old installation that used to be a physical machine, then I moved its drive to another machine, I xen started it once |
| 07:52.38 | nsadmin | worked |
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| 07:53.03 | nsadmin | I'm rusty, it's been awhile |
| 07:53.35 | eagles0513875 | ahh ok |
| 07:53.53 | eagles0513875 | i just need to take a look at ur xen-tools.conf file and see if anything is missing in mine cuz i think something is |
| 07:54.20 | nsadmin | I've built (-not- authored packaging for) xen kernels and hypervisors |
| 07:54.27 | nsadmin | into .deb packages |
| 07:54.38 | nsadmin | what version? |
| 07:54.42 | eagles0513875 | never setup xen guests on lenny 64bit |
| 07:54.49 | nsadmin | I forgot where mine is |
| 07:54.52 | eagles0513875 | im using the 2.6.26-2 kernel in lenny repos |
| 07:54.53 | nsadmin | but I'll find it |
| 07:55.01 | eagles0513875 | should be in /etc/xen-tools |
| 07:55.14 | nsadmin | let me see if I have that somewhere |
| 07:55.39 | eagles0513875 | ok wait did u use debian as the host os cuz xen-tools is debian specific only |
| 07:56.26 | nsadmin | looks like I never installed xen-tools |
| 07:56.40 | nsadmin | and used debian as host, yes |
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| 07:57.26 | QinGW | hi, I will set bootable partition to /boot partion or / partition? |
| 07:57.34 | nsadmin | I'm running 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 07:57.49 | nsadmin | is there a xen kernel of the same version? |
| 07:57.57 | nsadmin | that I can dom0? |
| 07:58.09 | eagles0513875 | same version |
| 07:58.33 | nsadmin | what's the uname -r of your dom0? |
| 07:58.34 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: strange xen-tools makes it super easy to setup guests |
| 07:58.51 | eagles0513875 | 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 07:58.52 | nsadmin | I hand wrote the guest configs |
| 07:58.53 | eagles0513875 | same as urs |
| 07:58.55 | eagles0513875 | wow |
| 07:59.07 | nsadmin | there was no xen-tools then :P |
| 07:59.07 | eagles0513875 | i dont know nearly enough programming knowledge |
| 07:59.11 | eagles0513875 | ahhh |
| 07:59.17 | nsadmin | it's like a 5 line config |
| 07:59.20 | eagles0513875 | wow nice |
| 07:59.21 | nsadmin | it's easy |
| 07:59.41 | eagles0513875 | would you mind doing me a huge favor and installing xen-tools and pastebin the xen-tools.conf file for me |
| 07:59.43 | nsadmin | you can do it right now probably |
| 08:00.08 | eagles0513875 | !xen-tools |
| 08:00.11 | nsadmin | ok, I'm going to install the xen system first |
| 08:00.31 | nsadmin | would be nice to get my other installation going |
| 08:00.38 | eagles0513875 | ok nsadmin thanks a million its so hard to find anyone on debian thats worked with xen tools |
| 08:00.52 | nsadmin | I still never have... but I'll look |
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| 08:01.06 | nsadmin | this will take me awhile |
| 08:01.31 | eagles0513875 | ok nsadmin if i leave to head to school ill get back on the freenode webchat |
| 08:01.44 | eagles0513875 | viva portable putty and school not blocking port 22 |
| 08:01.45 | eagles0513875 | hehe |
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| 08:06.10 | eagles0513875 | hey nsadmin |
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| 08:08.02 | MariachiAC | Hello. i'm installing debain from debootstrap or trying to anyways. When I do aptitude install locales then do dpkg-reconfigure locales I get some erros such as. Perl warning setting locale failed and other related messages. Can anyone help? |
| 08:09.40 | eagles0513875 | hey nsadmin you dont need to wry about setting up xen got confirmation from ther person that has been helping me in xen channel that its ok to purge and reinstall xen-tools |
| 08:10.14 | nsadmin | eagles0513875: that should usually be ok too :) |
| 08:10.25 | nsadmin | but I'm still curious |
| 08:10.44 | nsadmin | plus, did you know you could download any .deb and pull it apart and look at its pieces |
| 08:11.10 | nsadmin | much easier than an rpm |
| 08:11.46 | eagles0513875 | no didnt know that and 2ndly |
| 08:11.53 | eagles0513875 | xen-create-image --dir/home/xen_vm/ --hostname=Anarchy --size=40Gb --swap =512Mb --memory=256Mb --ip=204.188.246.198 --arch=i386 --dist=lenny --role=udev |
| 08:11.54 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: check this command out |
| 08:12.05 | eagles0513875 | creates a guest image |
| 08:12.13 | eagles0513875 | :) easy specifications |
| 08:12.16 | nsadmin | on an lvm lv? |
| 08:12.29 | nsadmin | oh, in a file |
| 08:12.50 | nsadmin | oh, looks like it uses debootstrap |
| 08:12.50 | eagles0513875 | no |
| 08:12.53 | eagles0513875 | .img file |
| 08:12.56 | eagles0513875 | ya but you have other options |
| 08:13.03 | eagles0513875 | for even non deb distro |
| 08:13.36 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: this is the error im getting when i run the command above |
| 08:13.56 | nsadmin | still, after reinstalling the tools? |
| 08:14.28 | eagles0513875 | ya |
| 08:14.43 | eagles0513875 | well i used my back up config as nothign seemed out of the ordinary after comparing the 2 |
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| 08:15.01 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 08:15.10 | nsadmin | ok, what's the error? |
| 08:15.20 | eagles0513875 | http://pastebin.com/m7f7dce45 |
| 08:15.27 | eagles0513875 | tsry thought i pasted the link to pastebin |
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| 08:16.15 | wflcptr | so, i have a server at a datacenter that i bought |
| 08:16.25 | wflcptr | unfortunately its very messed up |
| 08:16.41 | wflcptr | i just want to do a clean reinstall, replacing etch with lenny in the process |
| 08:16.46 | wflcptr | is there any way i can do this? |
| 08:18.44 | eagles0513875 | wflcptr: contact the DC ur renting from they have to do it tell them what os u want and its dependent on if they support it |
| 08:18.59 | eagles0513875 | what ya think nsadmin |
| 08:19.15 | wflcptr | thanks eagle |
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| 08:20.19 | eagles0513875 | no problemo wflcptr |
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| 08:23.12 | nsadmin | eagles0513875 which hypervisor do you run? |
| 08:23.20 | eagles0513875 | O_o |
| 08:23.25 | eagles0513875 | what do you mean |
| 08:23.26 | nsadmin | I'm trying to find an amd64 one |
| 08:23.36 | eagles0513875 | im lost |
| 08:23.43 | nsadmin | also what version of xen? 3.2? |
| 08:23.48 | eagles0513875 | what do you mean by hypervisor |
| 08:24.00 | eagles0513875 | !xen |
| 08:24.00 | dpkg | methinks xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualization without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 08:24.04 | nsadmin | when you boot your machine that has xen |
| 08:24.15 | eagles0513875 | normally just ssh into the boxes via ip |
| 08:24.16 | nsadmin | first it boots not a kernel but a... |
| 08:24.19 | nsadmin | hypervisor |
| 08:24.22 | eagles0513875 | ahhh |
| 08:24.28 | nsadmin | which then boots kernel |
| 08:24.32 | eagles0513875 | not sure what version |
| 08:24.49 | nsadmin | take a look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:25.02 | nsadmin | the hypervisors are booted from that |
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| 08:25.26 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: 3.2.1-1-amd64 which is in repos |
| 08:25.47 | nsadmin | aha, can't find it in aptitude... |
| 08:26.00 | nsadmin | trying again |
| 08:26.58 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: package name xen-hypervisor-3.2.1-2-amd64 sry bout that |
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| 08:35.41 | nsadmin | hey gang... I tried installing xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 but it says can't find. is it that my arch is i386? |
| 08:36.30 | eagles0513875 | probably |
| 08:36.47 | eagles0513875 | you would need the 64bit version to run 64bit so replace amd64 with i386 instead |
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| 08:37.15 | mavimo | hello guy |
| 08:37.40 | rumpsy | ;) |
| 08:37.48 | nsadmin | you can run 64 bit kernel with 32 userland tho... that way you can run guests that are 32 or 64 bit |
| 08:37.50 | mavimo | anyone have randomic problem with apache2 & php5 configuration on Lenny? |
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| 08:38.21 | nsadmin | mavimo: you're asking to browse problems... you can browse the bts |
| 08:38.34 | mavimo | i see bug #485413 i think is the same problem, but there are not solution on bugtracker |
| 08:39.40 | nsadmin | oh, so you did browse... so you're actually asking for people that experience that bug specifically |
| 08:39.42 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: technically you dont need 64bit kernel to run 64bit apps in 32bit land all u need is the ia32libs |
| 08:39.43 | mavimo | nsadmin: no, is a server side problem, sometime apache fork process and saturate RAM (8Gb) & SWAP and machine crash. |
| 08:40.21 | nsadmin | mavimo: that sounds like an application-level problem |
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| 08:41.09 | nsadmin | are you getting flooded with requests each of which combine to cause the oom and crash the box? |
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| 08:45.11 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: ill be back if you figure out anythign let me know just ping im going to get something to eat so i can take 2 pills for my headache |
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| 08:53.20 | mondoshawan | Hi All der was new security patches yesterday an i am searching for a Debian Changelog but der aren't any on the website |
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| 08:55.26 | nsadmin | the changelogs are in each package |
| 08:56.03 | nsadmin | they get installed in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 08:58.18 | mondoshawan | thank you |
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| 09:11.27 | Open | Hi. The layouts that I see categorized by country in 'Keyboard Preferences' > 'Layouts' |
| 09:11.31 | Open | Where are they located? |
| 09:12.20 | Open | I need to add a layout to it... I'm not so sure how I would do that. When I click 'Add', I see a drop-down menu that lists countries |
| 09:12.59 | jhattara | is it normal with debian 5 that i cannot use WIN keys as system hotkeys except by themselves (eg. WIN works but WIN+L doesn't) ? |
| 09:13.40 | IceIsFun | i need help getting debian base plain text install to have a bigger screen area in VirtualBox? |
| 09:14.04 | IceIsFun | I've seen a way to adjust the console screen size in the past but I can't recall how its done |
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| 09:16.06 | nsadmin | assuming I already enlarged the containing partition, how would I make a ext3 expand to the current larger size of the containing partition? |
| 09:17.23 | zorrolero | nsadmin: http://linux.die.net/man/8/resize2fs |
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| 09:18.53 | nsadmin | so the answer is resize2fs <device> |
| 09:19.25 | MarcoPau | hello, do you have a clue on how come my voip web configurator is so damn slow? |
| 09:20.06 | nsadmin | did it... thanks :) |
| 09:20.39 | nsadmin | MarcoPau: /msg dpkg ask ; /msg dpkg sicco |
| 09:21.56 | rumpsy | Open: you? in ##english |
| 09:22.10 | miracle2k | I want to prevent a package from being upgraded; should I use pinning or holding? I don't quite understand what the practical difference is between the two. |
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| 09:22.46 | Open | rumpsy, yes, so? (need a reboot, brb) |
| 09:23.05 | oggei | miracle2k: afaik holding is just a "maintain that one", pinning a more articulable system |
| 09:23.27 | oggei | normally i just hold what i don't want to upgrade |
| 09:24.08 | MarcoPau | nsadmin: what do you expect me to say, the brand name of the phone? what else? |
| 09:25.31 | oggei | your bank coordinates |
| 09:25.51 | nsadmin | MarcoPau: what debian pieces are you having problems with? what version? what version of debian do you run? what cpu? how much ram? |
| 09:25.54 | nsadmin | for starters |
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| 09:26.37 | liable | miracle2k: hold it. pinning is a different thing |
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| 09:26.57 | nsadmin | MarcoPau: essentially you could think about the question of "how would someone else know the answer to my question", what information do they need, do I have some of that information, volunteer that |
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| 09:28.15 | miracle2k | liable: hm. what would I use version-pinning a package for, then? |
| 09:28.53 | [SkG] | I'm trying to secure my debian server, it has some users with ssh acces and i want to block de use of /bin/su... I have two servers more (gentoo and freebsd) and that can be done with the wheel group... there is any default way to do that in debian? |
| 09:29.21 | nsadmin | you could look into pam |
| 09:29.39 | liable | miracle2k: good question. and my hungover brain can't answer it, i'm sure it would be covered in the pinning howto though |
| 09:30.04 | miracle2k | oggei: maybe something more articulate isn't that bad. Specifically, what I really want is prevent the mozilla-daily ppa from bothering me with new updates every day. However, once I *do* decide to install a new version, I'd like the new version to be held/pinned, preferrably without me having to do more work. |
| 09:30.12 | [SkG] | uhmm... but i have to creatre a group or there are a default group for it nsadmin |
| 09:30.48 | oggei | miracle2k: you can't accomplish with holds so you can man 5 apt_preferences |
| 09:30.52 | [SkG] | well it sems that i need to create a group |
| 09:30.54 | nsadmin | that depends... what group name do you want to use? can that name be used for that purpose? does that group already exist? |
| 09:30.57 | oggei | and read about pinning system |
| 09:31.09 | jhattara | is there a command that would start the screensaver ? |
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| 09:31.55 | oggei | (but i'm not sure i understood everything so your probably still ymmv) |
| 09:31.57 | jelly | jhattara: if it's xscreensaver that you're using, man xscreensaver-command |
| 09:32.45 | jhattara | i think it's gnome-screensaver |
| 09:33.01 | jhattara | running as a daemon |
| 09:34.17 | [SkG] | well its done ty nsadmin, i created the wheel group |
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| 09:37.45 | zorrolero | [SkG]: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 09:38.01 | [SkG] | ty zorrolero |
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| 09:43.36 | nsadmin | can't I install an amd64 kernel on a lenny i386? |
| 09:44.14 | nsadmin | [SkG]: so will pam do what you want? |
| 09:44.50 | [SkG] | yes, it prevents the use of su to non wheel users |
| 09:45.12 | [SkG] | auth required pam_wheel.so group=wheel |
| 09:45.37 | nsadmin | so you could use a differently-named group if you wanted to |
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| 09:47.02 | [SkG] | yes i dont need that, and is better for me, on freebsd and gentoo the group is named wheel, if i put another name i wont remember it |
| 09:47.31 | nsadmin | gotcha, nice job figuring everything out |
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| 10:20.36 | rumpsy | nsadmin: i want to uninstall nvidia non-free driver completely, howto, any specific command than apt-get remove |
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| 10:22.09 | rumpsy | And even i used bin file to install this nvidia driver, which i was download from nvidia website |
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| 10:23.09 | liable | if you used the nvidia bin, then you need to uninstall it via that too.. if it has the option |
| 10:24.05 | rumpsy | yes, i did using this command, sh Nvidia.* -uninstall, but can i know that its fully uninstalled |
| 10:24.07 | sphenxes | Alt-gr was working fine till i changed my keyboard to arabic language. Know I went back to german keyboard and alt-gr doesn't work any more. is there any solution for the problem (lenny, gnome). |
| 10:25.45 | rumpsy | liable: How i know that its fully uninstalled from my system, because during installation it compiled new modules! for my kernel |
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| 10:26.13 | liable | rumpsy: so? all it has to do is remove them again |
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| 10:26.36 | macrobat | sphenxes: maybe a "nodeadkeys" option |
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| 10:27.03 | sphenxes | macrobat, i will give it a try |
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| 10:27.26 | |eagles0513875| | im back nsadmin |
| 10:28.20 | rumpsy | I tried to uninstall, it said that, some files are not deleted, so i have to manually delete it, i donno where those undeleted file are |
| 10:28.48 | liable | it should have said which ones were undeleted |
| 10:29.17 | rumpsy | some, .so files, but it didn't mention where it was |
| 10:29.46 | macrobat | thats why you install drivers the debian way :) |
| 10:29.55 | liable | well that would be retarded. why would it tell you that you need to delete things and then not tell you what they are? |
| 10:30.33 | macrobat | reinstall, then it might tell you what files it installs |
| 10:30.48 | rumpsy | And now i'm using default nv driver :) |
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| 10:31.37 | rumpsy | I don't want that non-free craps in my system, i want to move those to trash. |
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| 10:35.44 | rumpsy | liable: i was on hurry, so i forgot to make note of file names to delete, i'm afraid of those files, if it is not in use i'll be happy |
| 10:35.46 | p3rror | hello |
| 10:36.06 | p3rror | please i have to install some camera ip many branches |
| 10:36.33 | p3rror | i need to know how much bandwidth i need |
| 10:36.36 | p3rror | to do this |
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| 10:41.16 | deuterium | re guys |
| 10:43.08 | deuterium | whenever i create a new user with "useradd - m joedoe" he gets assigned /bin/sh as the shell, not /bin/bash. why? and how can i make debian lenny always set /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh as the interactive login shell for new users? |
| 10:43.50 | deuterium | (same problem occurs in ubuntu 9.10, btw) |
| 10:45.05 | jelly | deuterium: it's a RTFM |
| 10:45.27 | jelly | Therefore, I'll let you solve it yourself. |
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| 10:45.56 | MrNaz | http://au.shuttle.com/product_detail_spec.jsp?PI=1209 <-- can anyone tell me if this machine, based on intel atom 330, uses i386 or amd_64 ports ? |
| 10:46.19 | deuterium | jelly: are you sure about that? which manual? i use linux for 15 years now and i've never encountered a distro before that sets /bin/sh for interactive shells by default. |
| 10:47.00 | jelly | deuterium: useradd(8), notably, the FILES section |
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| 10:47.33 | deuterium | jelly: ok, if you say i'll have a look. mompl. |
| 10:47.45 | liable | rumpsy: it probably keeps a log somewhere |
| 10:48.14 | rumpsy | liable: Cool, i have to check that... ;) |
| 10:48.27 | liable | check /var/log |
| 10:48.37 | liable | or google it |
| 10:48.38 | rumpsy | yes, i'll |
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| 10:49.14 | rumpsy | i tried google already |
| 10:49.38 | axos88 | Hello! Is there a way to more or less permanently change my MAC address? some config string in /etc/networking/interfaces, or sthg? |
| 10:50.04 | deuterium | jelly: ok, but that explains the "what" and to some extent the "why". when was this change to /bin/sh introduced in the history of debian? |
| 10:51.18 | rumpsy | What is gvfs, i can't see that in Lenny, but its there in ubuntu LTS version, what is the advantage of having gvfs |
| 10:51.51 | themill | deuterium: the config file in question discusses that. BTW you probably want "adduser" not "useradd". |
| 10:51.58 | oggei | deuterium: adduser is debian |
| 10:52.01 | liable | axos88: a pre-up in interfaces should do it i suppose. ifconfig can do it, so a pre-up should work. why do you want to do it though? |
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| 10:53.11 | macrobat | !lmgtfy gvfs |
| 10:53.35 | liable | fail |
| 10:53.38 | axos88 | liable, school, MAC registration, and my NIC changed, and changing the registration is a hassle |
| 10:54.27 | liable | axos88: tell your school that mac registration is stupid :) whats so hard about ringing the admin to changeit? |
| 10:54.27 | axos88 | liable, what should I write in pre-up? is that a shell script, so ifconfig eth0 hw ether 12345678? |
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| 10:55.09 | liable | axos88: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 10:55.26 | axos88 | liable, they don't want to do it, becuase "next week there will be a new registration anyhow, why can't you wait until then?" |
| 10:55.41 | liable | because you cant log onto the internet? |
| 10:55.54 | liable | tell them to stop being lazy fuckers |
| 10:56.07 | axos88 | ... |
| 10:56.31 | liable | seriously, they are there for *you* |
| 10:56.44 | liable | don't take that lame excuse |
| 10:57.13 | deuterium | themill, oggei: i'm used to useradd, but it looks like you're right.. one should better use adduser for debian-based distros as it uses /bin/bash by default (in contrast to useradd) |
| 10:57.28 | axos88 | liable, dude, we are managing the network for ourselves. Other college students. So no, they are not paid to do this. |
| 10:57.38 | oggei | deuterium: surely not for that |
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| 10:57.53 | axos88 | liable, yeah it sucks, but I don't wanna go around fucking w everyone, if there is a way around |
| 10:58.07 | deuterium | oggei: ? please elaborate |
| 10:58.16 | axos88 | liable, anyhow, thx for your help |
| 10:58.18 | themill | deuterium: yeah, adduser is designed to be the high-level tool that a human would use. If you were scripting things then you could/should do it all yourself so there's useradd for you to do that if you want. |
| 10:58.47 | liable | axos88: and whats so goddamn hard about logging into the router and changing the mac address? i dont care if they arent paid, they are there to do a job, and fobbing you off is not doing properly. but anyway, yeah, look at that doc i showed you |
| 10:58.49 | oggei | deuterium: sh vs bash is a different default, not a difference of any kind |
| 11:00.10 | deuterium | oggei: sure, but it looks like the useradd shipped with debian is configured to use /bin/sh for login shells by default. adduser uses /bin/bash for login shells by default. |
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| 11:01.18 | oggei | so for your needs adduser is incidentally better, but you can still configure either |
| 11:01.34 | deuterium | sure |
| 11:02.08 | rumpsy | Still no info about gvfs ! |
| 11:02.09 | deuterium | adduser is just a wrapper, after all |
| 11:02.31 | deuterium | oggei, themill: thanks. |
| 11:02.34 | liable | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GVFS |
| 11:03.01 | rumpsy | liable: do you have this in your lenny system |
| 11:03.30 | liable | yes |
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| 11:04.04 | rumpsy | i bet you might installed that manually. |
| 11:04.22 | liable | i dont have it installed. |
| 11:04.43 | themill | rumpsy: what does "apt-cache search gvfs" tell you? |
| 11:04.59 | liable | judd versions gvfs |
| 11:05.04 | themill | dpkg: tell liable about judd |
| 11:05.19 | rumpsy | its not installed in my system, i want to know advantage before using it |
| 11:05.23 | liable | themill: fix it slacker! :) |
| 11:05.30 | themill | I'm trying! |
| 11:05.43 | liable | what broke? |
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| 11:15.51 | planet8 | I need a great tool for scanning wifi networks (cant locate my own)? Any recommendations? |
| 11:16.09 | petemc | network manager, wicd |
| 11:16.09 | liable | iwlist scan |
| 11:16.51 | planet8 | liable, beautiful :) thanks |
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| 11:17.32 | mischief | wicd is good, has curses interface too. |
| 11:17.45 | liable | ncurses |
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| 11:18.00 | mischief | it's called 'wicd-curses'. |
| 11:18.12 | odin_ | how do you make a debugging build with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 11:18.16 | liable | righto, but the interface is ncurses :P |
| 11:19.03 | liable | odin_: would depend on the package i guess, but adding the appropriate switch in the rules file is what you need to do |
| 11:19.39 | planet8 | wicd looks great thanks! |
| 11:20.53 | odin_ | liable, thanks for you reply, I edited debian/rules to change CFLAGS -g -O2 into -g and I added LDFLAGS -g and I commented out dh_strip with "true dh_strip", but I then get an error: dh_compress: Can't cd to debian/dnsmasq-dbg: No such file or directory |
| 11:21.21 | odin_ | liable, the directory debian/dnsmasq exists but NOT debian/dnsmasq-dbg |
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| 11:21.44 | liable | odin_: ah, you might need to look in the makefile then too |
| 11:22.09 | odin_ | liable, maybe I should not comment out dh_strip ! if its like Red Hat it removes the debugging sections and places them in an additional package |
| 11:22.12 | thrashold | Can anyone give me a link to a guide on how to enable suspend to disk when the swap is on a MD RAID? |
| 11:22.37 | thrashold | (Which was created prior to Debian installation, not during it) |
| 11:22.48 | liable | dh_strip strips symbols i guess, so you are prolly right to uncomment it |
| 11:22.53 | liable | err, comment |
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| 11:23.31 | sepult | do you have hibernate installed ? |
| 11:23.50 | odin_ | liable, it seems sh_strip makes the dir debian/dnsmasq.dbg where it stores the original executable, maybe I should "apt-get something dnsmasq" on the original system to update the stripped version for the debugging version ? |
| 11:23.58 | liable | thrashold: hardware raid or software? |
| 11:24.09 | thrashold | liable: Software |
| 11:24.10 | thrashold | sepult: No |
| 11:24.13 | liable | odin_: no idea sorry |
| 11:24.24 | odin_ | debian/dnsmasq/usr/sbin/dnsmasq: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 11:24.26 | odin_ | debian/dnsmasq-dbg/usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/dnsmasq: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 11:24.37 | jelly | deuterium: I don't have an answer to that. You might take a look at /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian* for clues. |
| 11:24.44 | liable | thrashold: afaik, only tuxonice can do suspend on a software raid (though i could be making that up) |
| 11:25.07 | thrashold | I've got pm-utils (which is what hal calls, so it is the only thing I could use to make KDE -> Suspend to Disk work) |
| 11:25.49 | themill | odin_: in principle, "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip" prior to running dpkg-buildpackage should be sufficient. No other changes required. |
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| 11:25.59 | thrashold | liable: Resume without Tux On Ice on a software RAID worked nice for me when I had RAID support compiled *in* the kernel, and I created a custom initrd just for resume, but I don't do this anymore |
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| 11:26.16 | thrashold | I have no idea how to do it with debian kernel + debian initrd |
| 11:26.36 | deuterium | jelly: ok, thanks. |
| 11:26.53 | odin_ | themill, in a normal etch distro, is it possible to upgrades/replace a package with the debugging symbols included binaries ? in Red Hat you can and looking at what dpkg-buildpackage is doing it looks like debian can do, it half makes a new package with "dbg" in it |
| 11:27.17 | odin_ | themill, "dh_strip --dbg-package=dnsmasq" is in the rules file |
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| 11:27.23 | jelly | deuterium: atl east now you know which config file to change and fix the immediate issue |
| 11:27.30 | liable | thrashold: you prolly know more about it than me then :) |
| 11:27.30 | thrashold | Without any configuration, suspend works, but the resume doesn't find any image to resume from |
| 11:27.39 | deuterium | jelly: yes |
| 11:28.03 | themill | odin_: some packages have -dbg packages. Not all packages make them and how they do this varies. There's a proposal to make this more uniform but it's unlikely to happen before squeeze+1. |
| 11:28.52 | odin_ | how does http://debug.debian.net/debian/ work for etch ? lets presume a package is there but I have the standard non-debug one insalled already |
| 11:29.13 | liable | etch? |
| 11:29.31 | liable | drags odin_ into the present |
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| 11:29.45 | themill | odin_: there isn't a dnsmasq package there anyway. I've never used anything from there. |
| 11:30.12 | odin_ | opps is etch so last year? I am not using a regular debian distro, I am working with Nokia N900 |
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| 11:30.31 | themill | odin_: btw what are you trying to debug... and is it worth trying to find out if it's already fixed in lenny rather than to try to fix it in a distro that loses all security support in 3 weeks' time |
| 11:30.45 | rumpsy | wat, nokia n900 |
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| 11:30.57 | odin_ | I am debugging dnsmasq version 2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 |
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| 11:31.39 | odin_ | N900 is their first Linux based "phone" they have previously brought out internet tablets (no mobile phone part), its based on debian Linux |
| 11:31.55 | themill | odin_: you probably really want to be asking the people who actually made those packages about them and what might be wrong with them. And you certainly should be convincing them to move to lenny at this stage. |
| 11:32.22 | odin_ | themill, yes I have the source and stuff, the questions I am asking is how the debian lenny/etch does it, I'm sorry I am new to debian (well I use it on my Sparc's) |
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| 11:35.08 | freebse | is there a special channel for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD or is it welcome to ask questions here, if they are kernel related |
| 11:35.24 | themill | odin_: as I said, it varies from package to package. Some make an explicit foo-dbg package. Most, you can recompile the normal package to give you debuggable objects within the package itself with "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip dpkg-buildpackage". |
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| 11:36.32 | odin_ | themill, ok I have check the current one is 2.45-1+lenny1 and they are using 2.35-1osso11+etch4+0m5 (so I think a refresh would be a good move too) |
| 11:37.44 | thrashold | I tried to enable Kernel Mode Setting on my laptop/radeon card by adding 'radeon modeset=1' to /etc/*initramfs*/modules. Now on boot, I get a message displayed on the screen, and the system isn't booting. When I press Alt+SysRq+E: 1) The framebuffer gets enabled 2) I'm asked for my encryption password 3) The system boots. The message is: [drm:rs400_gart_adjust_size] *ERROR* Forcing to 32M GART size (because of ASIC bug ?) |
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| 11:38.24 | thrashold | Can anyone give any hints, at least how to avoid having to press Alt+SysRq+E? |
| 11:39.50 | thrashold | I don't think I can disable it, because my system crashes on suspend/resume without it. |
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| 11:47.58 | odin_ | what time frame was etch4 out ? |
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| 11:48.40 | liable | !releases |
| 11:48.40 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 11:48.43 | themill | odin_: that package isn't from etch r4, it's just the fourth revision to that package since etch was frozen. See the changelog for when it was actually released. |
| 11:48.49 | liable | !release history |
| 11:48.50 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 11:49.11 | odin_ | thanks |
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| 11:52.01 | krion | hi guys |
| 11:52.12 | krion | someone has a good how to for connecting trough serial line |
| 11:52.24 | krion | i'm stuck trying to connect to an ibm xsystem |
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| 11:53.48 | zleap | hi |
| 11:53.55 | eagles0513875_ | hey guys |
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| 11:54.15 | eagles0513875_ | nsadmin: any luck with xen? |
| 11:57.29 | krion | anybody with an ibm xsystem ? |
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| 12:01.33 | bolt_ | where do I put startup commands for KDE4 in squeeze? I want synergy client and x11vnc running on the login screen |
| 12:01.37 | zorrolero | krion: no, but maybe your bios allows you "console-redirection" to com1?! |
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| 12:02.09 | zorrolero | krion: do you mean ibm xseries? |
| 12:02.38 | krion | zorrolero: i did enable redirection to com1 |
| 12:02.53 | krion | i try to enable ttyS0 S1 with no luck... |
| 12:03.06 | krion | T0 ttyS0 and T1 ttyS1 |
| 12:03.20 | krion | debian tell me for T1 respawning to fast |
| 12:03.47 | krion | zorrolero: ibm system x3250 m2 :) |
| 12:04.01 | krion | with something call bmc fore baseboard management controller |
| 12:04.33 | zorrolero | krion: don't know, sorry. have to eat now.) *afk* |
| 12:04.38 | krion | guess i'm gonna look for the manual |
| 12:05.30 | thrashold | The fix to my suspend-from-raid problem was to create a file named /etc/inittramfs-tools/conf.d/resume with content "RESUME=/dev/md3". I haven't tried it yet, if anyone else has it... It seems that the problem is because I created the RAID/swap after I installed debian, and not during installation |
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| 12:06.25 | thrashold | s/tt/t/ |
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| 12:08.48 | nsadmin | krion: find out what the invocation is... the command is likely failing and exiting, therefore the process dies, which init is watching, so init spawns it again |
| 12:09.16 | krion | nsadmin: looks like ttyS0 is the right own |
| 12:09.34 | krion | trough i cannot enable redirection conosole to serial line |
| 12:10.33 | krion | serial8250 ttyS0 at I/0 0x3f8 irq=4 is 16550A |
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| 12:10.39 | krion | so looks fine, isn't ? |
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| 12:11.00 | nsadmin | if you're trying to get a serial link going, then test it by running minicom on the remote and the local each on the device connected to the serial port. on each side, make sure the line speed matches and the parity (a common one is 8-n-1) |
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| 12:11.11 | nsadmin | also matches. |
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| 12:12.09 | krion | oh ok didn't try on the remote |
| 12:12.46 | krion | i do have 8n1 |
| 12:12.50 | krion | i'm gonna try that ! |
| 12:13.02 | nsadmin | once you get the physical parameters of the line set (at boot so it stays put), and once each minicom talks to the other, then try to move it to the getty |
| 12:13.09 | nsadmin | on the "remote" |
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| 12:13.31 | krion | move it to the getty ? |
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| 12:13.54 | odin_ | does debian have any tools to rebase a source package on a later upstream package ? for example merging of the debian/changelog |
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| 12:14.08 | _Dave123_ | how can i see where the documentation of a certain app is? |
| 12:14.11 | nsadmin | have you tested the physical link yet? |
| 12:14.17 | jelly | odin_: uupdate |
| 12:14.22 | nsadmin | man app |
| 12:14.49 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: of tofrodos? |
| 12:14.59 | jelly | _Dave123_: dpkg -L packagename will show the contents of a package |
| 12:15.00 | nsadmin | each executable has a man page. this is debian policy. if it does not, it's a bug that you can report |
| 12:15.26 | jelly | _Dave123_: there's always a /usr/share/doc/packagename directory |
| 12:15.26 | _Dave123_ | thanks jelly |
| 12:17.06 | krion | nsadmin: is see minicom connected on both side |
| 12:17.27 | nsadmin | krion: when you type on one, does it come out on the other? |
| 12:17.51 | krion | i see grub on my laptop, but the server is already booted..; |
| 12:18.01 | nsadmin | didn't ask that |
| 12:18.06 | krion | :) |
| 12:18.14 | nsadmin | when you have minicom started on both sides, |
| 12:18.14 | krion | yes it works fine |
| 12:18.17 | nsadmin | krion: when you type on one, does it come out on the other? |
| 12:18.29 | nsadmin | when you type on the other, does it come out on one? |
| 12:18.50 | krion | nsadmin: in fact, when i type on the laptop, i see the output on the server, but the other way around doesn't work |
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| 12:20.01 | nsadmin | serial lines are hard to debug... impossible if someone else is helping and precise info is not communicated |
| 12:20.09 | krion | :) |
| 12:20.17 | krion | nsadmin: sorry for my english |
| 12:20.31 | nsadmin | no problem... ok, do this: |
| 12:20.43 | krion | nsadmin: do i need minicom on both side to allow console redirection ? |
| 12:20.46 | nsadmin | first, comment out the line in /etc/inittab that starts the getty |
| 12:20.55 | nsadmin | no, it's for testing |
| 12:21.00 | krion | ok |
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| 12:21.08 | krion | i'm listening, reading |
| 12:21.27 | ambuli | hi all, i have created my own debian repository , and how do i have to use dput to upload the files ? |
| 12:21.32 | ambuli | it is confusing. |
| 12:21.35 | nsadmin | so it vaguely looks like the link is workign... but I want to rule out problems first. |
| 12:21.48 | nsadmin | so, line is commented? |
| 12:21.52 | ambuli | dput -d host http://localhost mypackage.changes ? |
| 12:22.02 | krion | it's working in a assymetric way |
| 12:22.21 | nsadmin | so we're going to deal with that part |
| 12:22.24 | nsadmin | so, line is commented? |
| 12:22.28 | krion | yes, inittab getty -L is commented |
| 12:22.37 | nsadmin | ok, kill -HUP 1 |
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| 12:22.54 | krion | done |
| 12:22.57 | nsadmin | on the machine you edited the inittab on |
| 12:23.13 | nsadmin | let's name the involved machines |
| 12:23.21 | krion | laptop server |
| 12:23.24 | nsadmin | the one you edited the inittab is called? |
| 12:23.30 | krion | server |
| 12:23.45 | nsadmin | and the other end of the serial cable is connected to? |
| 12:23.52 | krion | laptop :) |
| 12:23.56 | nsadmin | cool. |
| 12:24.13 | nsadmin | on server, is minicom running? |
| 12:24.20 | krion | not anymor |
| 12:24.21 | krion | e |
| 12:24.25 | nsadmin | ok, start it |
| 12:24.32 | nsadmin | oh, also: |
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| 12:24.47 | krion | done, running 19200 8N1 NOR VT102 connected |
| 12:24.48 | nsadmin | on server, the serial port is /dev/ttyS0? |
| 12:24.56 | krion | correct |
| 12:25.16 | nsadmin | ok, on laptop, what is serial port called? |
| 12:25.21 | nsadmin | same? |
| 12:25.32 | krion | /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 12:25.39 | Anthro | I am migrating to a new server, and just installed Debian (lenny) on it. I can't seem to connect to it now. Is there some sort of power management configured in a default install? Do the defaults allow wake-on-lan? How do I send a wake-on-lan packet? |
| 12:25.40 | nsadmin | usb? hmm, ok |
| 12:25.45 | krion | :) |
| 12:25.57 | nsadmin | on server, type into the minicom |
| 12:26.09 | nsadmin | you might not see it come out |
| 12:26.19 | nsadmin | look at laptop, does it come out? |
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| 12:26.45 | krion | that's exactly what's happening, nothing come out on the server, everything appear on the laptop |
| 12:26.53 | nsadmin | perfect |
| 12:26.59 | oggei | Anthro: i) no ii) no iii) investigate ethtool and etherwake |
| 12:27.08 | Anthro | oggei: Thanks |
| 12:27.17 | nsadmin | type into laptop (you might not see it come out on laptop) look at server, is it coming out? |
| 12:27.18 | krion | so i guess everything is fine and i have to investigate on the bios serial redirection part |
| 12:27.30 | krion | exact |
| 12:27.36 | nsadmin | ok. |
| 12:27.42 | krion | trough the char doesn't appear correctly |
| 12:27.44 | nsadmin | the serial line is working |
| 12:27.54 | krion | like I is � |
| 12:27.55 | nsadmin | wait, not working? |
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| 12:28.20 | nsadmin | so maybe the line speed is not the same |
| 12:28.57 | krion | nsadmin: that's what it was, i correct it and now char appear rightly |
| 12:29.17 | nsadmin | ok, so both ways working? |
| 12:29.36 | krion | yes |
| 12:30.05 | nsadmin | ok, good, you now have the physical link working properly |
| 12:30.11 | nsadmin | not sure about the bios thing |
| 12:30.13 | krion | thanks to you |
| 12:30.27 | krion | i'm gonna have a look at that |
| 12:30.28 | Sergio` | Anthro: there is a Debian wiki for that. I'm reading it too. |
| 12:30.40 | krion | i'm used to supermicro bios, not ibm one |
| 12:30.58 | krion | nsadmin: thank you for the personnal lesson, i'm now sure that the serial port is working fine |
| 12:31.51 | krion | and i'm sure too that the right serial device is ttyS0 |
| 12:32.09 | nsadmin | on the -server-, right? |
| 12:32.15 | krion | right |
| 12:32.43 | nsadmin | so then how would you put the bios on the serial link |
| 12:32.52 | nsadmin | that part I've never done |
| 12:32.56 | krion | i'm now reenabling inittab line (T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt100) |
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| 12:33.14 | krion | you got something called "serial port redirection" |
| 12:33.19 | nsadmin | are you sure 19200 line speed is correct? |
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| 12:33.42 | krion | looks like it because it was working fine on both end ? |
| 12:34.11 | nsadmin | is that what you changed the line speed to? |
| 12:34.30 | nsadmin | when you were getting ? for I? |
| 12:34.32 | krion | no, it was on the laptop |
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| 12:35.07 | krion | in ibm it's called "remote console redirection", port and irq are correct |
| 12:35.09 | nsadmin | ok, you might as well try that part |
| 12:35.24 | nsadmin | what it's going to do is give you a login prompt on the serial link |
| 12:35.34 | krion | yes |
| 12:35.35 | nsadmin | (stop the minicom on the server first) |
| 12:36.03 | krion | it's working fine !! \o/ |
| 12:36.11 | Anthro | Sergio`: If you find anything on power settings for default installs, let me know. |
| 12:36.38 | krion | i'm gonna try from server to server |
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| 12:39.18 | krion | nsadmin: thanks again, i'm very grateful |
| 12:39.28 | krion | nsadmin: it's working fine from server to server |
| 12:39.34 | nsadmin | good :) |
| 12:39.42 | krion | i can now live that asounding environnement that is a datacenter :) |
| 12:39.45 | krion | leave |
| 12:40.14 | Anthro | Is there a way to get tar to ask if a file should be overwritten when extracting? I see the -k option to just not overwrite, but I'm looking for something more like the -i option that mv and cp have. |
| 12:40.22 | nsadmin | did the bios thing work too? |
| 12:42.19 | krion | nsadmin: yes, enabling as earlier |
| 12:42.54 | nsadmin | out of curiousity why server <--> server? |
| 12:43.05 | krion | donno what's was wrong earlier because the setting was the same |
| 12:43.11 | krion | i'm on the datacenter right now |
| 12:43.30 | krion | so back at the office if we losing network ssh connection to the server |
| 12:43.53 | krion | we connecting to another server, then using minicom to connect to the server_without_network |
| 12:44.11 | nsadmin | I see |
| 12:44.15 | krion | the master server doesn't have... console port access :D |
| 12:44.23 | krion | so we hope he never fail :) |
| 12:44.34 | krion | ines |
| 12:45.00 | nsadmin | right, that's kinda what I was wondering about :) |
| 12:45.32 | krion | inside the master server there is pci serial card with "pieuvre" (multiple serial connector) connected to all of the machine inside the "baie" (sorry, i'm french and doesn't know all the word) |
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| 12:46.43 | nsadmin | baie, datacenter? |
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| 12:48.08 | krion | nsadmin: you know what a datacenter is right ? |
| 12:48.25 | nsadmin | yes, I don't know what a baie is :) |
| 12:48.32 | krion | a baie is a cab with plenty of 1U in it |
| 12:48.46 | nsadmin | rackmount case |
| 12:48.50 | krion | yes :) |
| 12:48.56 | krion | thanks again nsadmin |
| 12:49.08 | krion | gonna get lunch at least :) |
| 12:49.28 | nsadmin | I have an 8-space rackmount case for my bass amp and effects |
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| 12:52.32 | Absolute0 | Is there something similar to network-manager's nm-applet that I can run in openbox or other wm's? |
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| 12:53.40 | liable | Absolute0: no reason why you couldn't, how to get it in the panel is the question. check out wicd-curses |
| 12:54.06 | Absolute0 | liable: I am getting errors, since its not configured from gnome yet |
| 12:54.44 | liable | Absolute0: it should have pulled in what it needs to work. whats the error? |
| 12:55.09 | Absolute0 | seems like dbus is not loaded |
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| 12:55.27 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 12:55.51 | man_in_shack | anyone know of software that can finalise an unfinalised dvd-r that's otherwise been burnt? |
| 12:55.59 | Absolute0 | ** (nm-applet:19199): WARNING **: <WARN> nma_dbus_init(): could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.22" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
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| 13:00.37 | Absolute0 | wicd is not in backports as mentioned in the wiki :( |
| 13:00.53 | Absolute0 | what other alternatives are there? |
| 13:01.01 | Absolute0 | iwconfig + dhclient seems broken |
| 13:01.14 | themill | Absolute0: wicd is on backports for lenny. 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1 |
| 13:01.47 | Absolute0 | ah I pasted etch-backports :) |
| 13:02.08 | themill | Absolute0: the n-m error sounds like you need to be in the "netdev" group. All this should just work out of the box. |
| 13:02.21 | themill | (providing your wireless card is supported...) |
| 13:02.41 | Absolute0 | just added myself to network |
| 13:02.46 | Absolute0 | let me log out/log in |
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| 13:05.49 | Absolute0 | no erros now |
| 13:05.54 | Absolute0 | no dialog either :) |
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| 13:10.24 | jaggz- | when I ^z out of a manpage, the first commandline's readline or term settings are messed up, until I hit enter. For example, if I type a command it will execute fine, but if I hit backspace I will see the visible ^H's. If I proceed to hit enter first, the next line's editing/term settings are normal. |
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| 13:16.34 | nsadmin | I'm running 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 kernel, what's the package name for the nvidia driver? |
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| 13:20.00 | jelly | jaggz-: that's the pager's fault, not restoring terminal settings properly when it gets a suspend signal |
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| 13:20.12 | jelly | jaggz-: which pager are you using? |
| 13:20.19 | jelly | more? less? most? |
| 13:20.33 | nsadmin | under lenny, how would I set which driver is used as the xorg video driver? |
| 13:21.16 | jelly | nsadmin: /msg dpkg xorg config lenny |
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| 13:21.19 | jaggz- | less |
| 13:21.48 | jaggz- | jelly, strange that bash resets them on the very next line though no? |
| 13:21.59 | jelly | jaggz-: worksforme. Which terminal emulator? |
| 13:22.15 | jelly | jaggz-: no, not really. |
| 13:22.28 | jaggz- | using screen in gnome-terminal |
| 13:22.46 | jelly | jaggz-: does it happen out of screen as well? |
| 13:23.07 | jelly | I've no idea what gnome-terminal emulates |
| 13:23.45 | jelly | if it works with xterm + screen, I'd blame gnome-terminal or an incorrect TERM env. variable setting |
| 13:23.47 | jaggz- | I can't always reproduce it either.. |
| 13:24.08 | Gryfelhase | Hi. I'm using lenny on my eeepc.... if I update to the latest vanilla-kernel... should I suspect bad behaivor cause of kernel-mode-setting and the lenny xorg-version ? |
| 13:24.25 | jelly | jaggz-: you'll find similar bugs when suspeding many curses apps. |
| 13:25.02 | jelly | Gryfelhase: I don't think xorg in lenny supports KMS |
| 13:25.06 | jaggz- | on one of my debian systems if shell out of vim it doesn't redraw the vim screen until I hit ^C .. :( |
| 13:25.24 | jaggz- | hm, can't reproduce the less manpage thing now.. damn. just happened again a few minutes ago. |
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| 13:25.33 | Gryfelhase | jelly, : Yes, I know.... but will it wok without fault like before ? |
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| 13:25.46 | osirisx11 | help my alt-tab and tilde are broken all of a sudden :(. i also can't use shift key + a, shift + x, i can't tilde (but i can press regular accent `) and when i press alt-tab it does nothing |
| 13:26.11 | jaggz- | oh well.. :/ |
| 13:26.30 | Gryfelhase | (I read something about 3d/2d-speed-problems (ok, this was in ubuntu) cause of bad combination of xorg and kernel |
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| 13:40.03 | nsadmin | I have one installed, running it now... |
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| 13:44.15 | jelari | hi , when i install the file apt-get install <pkgname> How can i figure out which debian repository it is from ? |
| 13:46.00 | niklaswe | jelari: if you dont have change in sources.list itś default from stable.. |
| 13:46.05 | niklaswe | if you mean like that.. |
| 13:46.13 | niklaswe | or if i understand you right. |
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| 13:47.25 | jelari | niklaswe, what if source.list does have multiple debian repository and all have the specified package ? |
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| 13:47.54 | jelari | niklaswe, i mean at this point which debian repository it will choose ? |
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| 13:49.35 | MrNaz | running a pc with atom 330 cpu 1gb ram with debian amd64... the installer keeps stalling when it says "starting up the partitioner" |
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| 13:50.01 | MrNaz | could it be platform issues ? |
| 13:50.07 | MrNaz | i.e., am i using the wrong arch ? |
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| 13:51.21 | gusto | ok |
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| 13:53.12 | niklaswe | jelari: you see wich rep it will take it infrom when you installing the packages.. |
| 13:53.42 | niklaswe | if the first repository doesn't work it try the next from your sources.list |
| 13:55.17 | ethanol | anyone any idea how I could turn off the backlight on my ibook? when I use `fblevel off`, it turns off, but a second later jumps right now. `fblevel X` results in an error from ioctl. |
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| 13:57.48 | ethanol | I've found this mentioned on several places: |
| 13:57.49 | ethanol | "It |
| 13:57.54 | ethanol | "requires that CONFIG_PMAC_BACKLIGHT_LEGACY is set on the kernel config, |
| 13:57.54 | ethanol | which is not currently the case on debian powerpc kernel. I've asked |
| 13:57.54 | ethanol | this option to be set in .config, but it's not really a good option, |
| 13:57.54 | ethanol | because the preferred way to access this information is now sysfs. |
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| 13:58.20 | ethanol | oops, it took the newlines :< |
| 13:58.53 | ethanol | can this option be enabled without having to recompile the kernel? |
| 14:00.12 | ethanol | or is recompiling the kernel with only one or two config changes quite easy? |
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| 14:02.50 | Anthro | Finger is pretty much dead as a protocol, I guess. |
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| 14:06.25 | ymas | hello, I've installed Maple 9 32-bit on Debian Lenny 64-bit (not wise) and was able to use the command line features (which was good). I'm trying to uninstall it and I get this message: maple9/jre.IBM_INTEL_LINUX/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so, because libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 14:08.47 | lmaowaffle | hi guys, |
| 14:08.56 | lmaowaffle | how do i make aptitude forget pending jobs? |
| 14:09.16 | lmaowaffle | i can't find it in help |
| 14:09.19 | lmaowaffle | (the keybind) |
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| 14:12.43 | lmaowaffle | nvm #aptitude keep-all |
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| 14:26.48 | naquad | hi |
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| 14:27.09 | naquad | are there any images of debian for using in xen? |
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| 14:45.08 | Polarina | I am trying to install dovecot-imapd on a lenny system, but I get the following error: http://codepad.org/PBWHhUfe |
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| 14:45.09 | rvsjoen | dpkg repeat |
| 14:45.09 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:45.09 | xyan | Polarina: fails most likely due to an improper set hostname, "hostname: Unknown host |
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| 14:45.09 | Polarina | xyan, how do I fix that? |
| 14:45.09 | xyan | Polarina: man hostname |
| 14:45.09 | Polarina | xyan, it is set, I don't see what's wrong with it. |
| 14:45.09 | xyan | Polarina: what says hostname -f |
| 14:45.09 | Polarina | xyan, hostname: Unknown host |
| 14:45.09 | xyan | so its not set! |
| 14:45.09 | xyan | do you have your ip in /etc/hosts ? |
| 14:45.10 | Polarina | xyan, I did "hostname" and it printed the hostname I set during installation. |
| 14:45.10 | xyan | with a fqdn and short name? |
| 14:45.10 | Polarina | ? |
| 14:45.10 | xyan | !fqdn |
| 14:45.10 | dpkg | from memory, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 14:45.10 | Polarina | ... |
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| 14:45.10 | xyan | Polarina: edit your /etc/hosts file and set your hostname there |
| 14:45.10 | Polarina | xyan, ok. |
| 14:45.11 | Polarina | Cool, it works now. Thanks. :D |
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| 14:51.29 | WormFood | the bot says exim4 "has a debconf-driven configuration"...but how do I configure this? It sounds like there is some configuration program or something to help me out...or do I need to edit config files by hand? What is "the debian way"(tm) to configure exim4? |
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| 14:52.00 | mrbnet | Can anyone recommend a good VPS host in the UK? |
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| 14:55.02 | ethanol | WormFood: I think dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 14:55.09 | ethanol | or something like that |
| 14:55.39 | MuisjeNL | Hello, my server apparently has been hacked... well atleast the web-service (which we did not use). But when i try to run nano or gzip it is giving me a segmentation fault. The server still functions correctly, and can reboot without problems. |
| 14:55.40 | WormFood | yeah, I tried that...no go...in fact, the screen it give me, I can't even read |
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| 14:56.03 | WormFood | MuisjeNL, what makes you believe it has been hacked? |
| 14:56.04 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: probeer eens aptitude reinstall nano gzip |
| 14:56.04 | MuisjeNL | My question is: How can i find out why i get segmentation faults? (apt-get doesn't let me update...) |
| 14:56.26 | MuisjeNL | WormFood cause the webdirectory contained a common virus for windows users |
| 14:56.40 | MuisjeNL | Something i never put there :p |
| 14:56.47 | ethanol | anyone else with ftp access? |
| 14:56.49 | ethanol | check ftp logs |
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| 14:57.27 | WormFood | you need to see what services are running, then do check their security...also, what http software (php, or otherwise) is installed on the web server? |
| 14:57.49 | WormFood | also, if you're not using the web server, then why is it running? |
| 14:57.52 | sphenxes | Alt-gr was working fine till i changed my keyboard to arabic language. Know I went back to german keyboard and alt-gr doesn't work any more. is there any solution for the problem (lenny, gnome). |
| 14:58.00 | MuisjeNL | I disabled the web-service, cause it is not being used. |
| 14:58.17 | MuisjeNL | WormFood i used it sometime long ago for testing purposes of programming |
| 14:58.41 | MuisjeNL | Yes, it has PHP support and everything but all there was in the web directory was a standard page (html) with "It works!" default from install |
| 14:59.00 | WormFood | what other services are running on the box? |
| 14:59.02 | MuisjeNL | ethanol when i do that it is giving me a dpkg error |
| 14:59.10 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: more specific? |
| 14:59.14 | MuisjeNL | Mysql, ftp, samba |
| 14:59.18 | WormFood | do a "netstat -nlp" and see what services are listening to what ports |
| 14:59.28 | WormFood | check your ftp logs |
| 14:59.51 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: "error" doesn't help much |
| 15:00.08 | MuisjeNL | Ok, 1 moment |
| 15:00.19 | WormFood | are you running named? |
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| 15:00.57 | MuisjeNL | Netstat -nlp report: http://pastebin.com/d52bdfeff |
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| 15:01.38 | ethanol | eww @ 81 |
| 15:01.52 | ethanol | line 11, to be exact |
| 15:02.01 | MuisjeNL | aptitude report: http://pastebin.com/d59702b8c |
| 15:02.18 | ethanol | eh |
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| 15:02.18 | MuisjeNL | ethanol you don't like ISPconfig? |
| 15:02.27 | ethanol | someone else is using aptitude already |
| 15:02.34 | ethanol | try a ps aux | grep apt |
| 15:02.40 | ethanol | kill the processes (could be runaways) |
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| 15:02.54 | WormFood | jesus! have enough programing listening on ports? |
| 15:03.15 | WormFood | why is perl holding open port 2583? |
| 15:03.16 | MuisjeNL | @ ethanol 1 record: root 11822 0.0 0.0 3116 720 pts/0 R 02:22 0:00 grep apt |
| 15:03.28 | ethanol | huh |
| 15:03.46 | WormFood | maybe someone bruteforced your ssh server....you are running on the standard ssh port (I always suggest people move that to another port) |
| 15:03.59 | MuisjeNL | WormFood either its from ISPConfig or its bad |
| 15:04.04 | ethanol | WormFood: moving it is lame, nothing more but security through obscurity. |
| 15:04.09 | MuisjeNL | ISPConfig uses some perlscripts... |
| 15:04.09 | ethanol | I stronly recommend -against- moving ports |
| 15:04.19 | ethanol | s/stronly/strongly/ |
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| 15:04.47 | MuisjeNL | WormFood, it's always good to comply to standards. Better to have a secure ssh on the standard port then trying to hide it. A simple port scan will get you any port you need |
| 15:04.59 | BW^- | When compiling my app I get 'SQLITE_OPEN_NOMUTEX' was not declared in this scope. I have libsqlite3-dev installed. What does this mean? That I should install libsqllite3's header files myselv manually? |
| 15:05.24 | ethanol | disable root login, setup iplock with iptables perhaps, sshd isn't easy to bruteforce |
| 15:05.26 | MuisjeNL | ethanol should i try killing the apparently running apt? |
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| 15:05.39 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: the only result is the grep itself |
| 15:05.41 | WormFood | also, IIRC, proftpd has not had a good security record....if anonymous users can upload, then that may be an entry point |
| 15:05.41 | WormFood | what is "master" on port 25? |
| 15:05.46 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: so it must be another process |
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| 15:06.16 | MuisjeNL | Postfix WormFood |
| 15:06.31 | ethanol | proftpd is poop |
| 15:06.35 | ethanol | most ftp servers are poop |
| 15:06.37 | ethanol | sftp > * |
| 15:06.50 | MuisjeNL | ethanol root is blocked from logging on ftp |
| 15:06.54 | ethanol | so? |
| 15:06.58 | ethanol | that's good |
| 15:06.59 | MuisjeNL | and... users cannot get outside there mapping |
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| 15:07.08 | MuisjeNL | so it's pretty secure... |
| 15:07.09 | ethanol | sftp is still the better choice |
| 15:07.31 | MuisjeNL | Ok, but i use ispconfig and ispconfig uses proftpd also i have had no problems with proftpd (before) |
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| 15:07.41 | ethanol | shrugs |
| 15:07.44 | ethanol | just saying |
| 15:07.50 | MuisjeNL | Anyway i tried to update the system after removing the dangerous files |
| 15:07.53 | BW^- | (SQLITE_OPEN_NOMUTEX is a perfectly valid constant in it) |
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| 15:08.07 | MuisjeNL | And during that update it gave me 2 segmentation faults, so dpkg now wants to reconfigure before continueing |
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| 15:08.51 | MuisjeNL | One possible cause for this to happen is that i lacked updating the system for atleast 60 days |
| 15:09.01 | ethanol | that's all fine |
| 15:09.03 | ethanol | to be honest |
| 15:09.13 | ethanol | we haven't updated some of our servers for over a year |
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| 15:09.23 | ethanol | but they are locked out from the outside world anyway |
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| 15:09.40 | MuisjeNL | ethanol mine server is publicly accessible due to VPN |
| 15:10.12 | kamathln | Hello, I have experimental in sources list, apt-get updated jsut now .. still it cant find python2.6 any idea what might be the problem |
| 15:10.15 | kamathln | ? |
| 15:10.24 | jelari | i m using dput to upload the files to repo, in dput.cfg i changed ftp to scp. now where do i have to give the credentials for scp ? |
| 15:10.27 | MuisjeNL | ethanol did you take a look at the second part of my aptitude post? |
| 15:10.36 | themill | kamathln: python2.6 is in unstable now. /msg dpkg python2.6 |
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| 15:11.14 | kamathln | themill: oh! looks like packages.debian.org is cached ?? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python2.6 |
| 15:11.33 | kamathln | themill: thx anyways .. lemme try |
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| 15:13.12 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: yes, that wasn't really needed |
| 15:13.23 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: your problem is the locked files, not sure which process is causing it |
| 15:13.28 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: doesn't seem to be apt |
| 15:13.36 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: perhaps dpkg or something else |
| 15:14.23 | MuisjeNL | ethanol aptitude isn't letting me do anything cause i tried updating earlier which gave an error. Now DPKG wants to reconfigure, but when i manually start that, it stops because it segfaults with gzipping |
| 15:15.44 | ethanol | that doesn't make much sense |
| 15:16.08 | BW^- | (aha, i need a newer version of sqlite than the one bundled with debian. thus downloading and installing manually.) |
| 15:16.39 | jelari | any linux administration channel available ? |
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| 15:16.49 | Shadur | jelari, please go to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and pay careful attention to the suggestions there. It'll improve your chances of getting a useful answer. |
| 15:16.51 | jelari | or how can i search the available channels ? |
| 15:17.02 | au | jelari: /list *terms* |
| 15:18.27 | MuisjeNL | ethanol why not? |
| 15:19.06 | jelari | Shadur, what is that link about does it have the answer for my question ? |
| 15:19.40 | Shadur | ambuli: It has a great number of helpful suggestions on how to phrase your question so that you'll get the answers you need. |
| 15:19.52 | jelari | Oh. ok :) |
| 15:20.47 | MuisjeNL | ethanol, aptitude say: dpkg was interrupted, that is why he won't let me reinstall nano or gzip |
| 15:21.03 | jelari | au /list *linux* does not give me any output :( |
| 15:21.09 | MuisjeNL | And to fix that, i need to let dpkg run, but when i do that it stops due to a segfault |
| 15:21.11 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: it seems unlikely aptitude wont run now because you had an error. it is -now- being interrupted because some process is locking the cache. that is why it cannot reinstall |
| 15:21.21 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: you do not have to reconfigure |
| 15:21.59 | MuisjeNL | Ok, so how can i check / unlock the cache so it can run |
| 15:22.01 | au | jelari: I think I am on the wrong page, sorry :) |
| 15:22.17 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: not sure to be honest. |
| 15:22.27 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: hence my ps aux | grep apt suggestion |
| 15:22.31 | ethanol | but that listed no results |
| 15:22.42 | ethanol | MuisjeNL: you can try ps aux | grep dpkg |
| 15:22.54 | MuisjeNL | only 1 result, grep dpkg |
| 15:22.57 | MuisjeNL | already tried :) |
| 15:22.57 | ethanol | :< |
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| 15:24.21 | ethanol | meh, sorry can't be of much more assistance |
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| 15:26.33 | MuisjeNL | Ok, but thank you anyway |
| 15:26.49 | g00dtimes | MuisjeNL: lsof could be your friend.....see if you can find if the cache is held open by some{one|thing} |
| 15:26.51 | tlir | is the */N notation for crontab works for every minute in the range of 1-59? i.e: is doing */3 or */11 means that the crontab will run every 3 or every 11 minutes? |
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| 15:27.42 | MuisjeNL | g00dtimes how you mean? lsof? |
| 15:27.56 | g00dtimes | !lsof |
| 15:27.56 | dpkg | from memory, lsof is LiSt Open Files, "aptitude install lsof" . See also <open files>. |
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| 15:28.26 | g00dtimes | MuisjeNL: something like lsof | grep <cachefilename> |
| 15:28.40 | RichiH | or lsof cachefilename |
| 15:28.41 | RichiH | ;) |
| 15:28.56 | g00dtimes | yeah, what RichiH said |
| 15:28.59 | ethanol | what's the cache filename of apt ? |
| 15:29.02 | g00dtimes | ;) |
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| 15:29.17 | blub | hi all, i am trying to hacka around a bug(?) in python-clientform .dep file. In the rules file there is a command I don't understand and this command fails: $(call py_libdir,$*) It is supposed to yield lib/python2.5/site-packages but it does not return anything |
| 15:29.53 | blub | is there another way to get the py_libdir inside a rules file? |
| 15:30.46 | MuisjeNL | Indeed, what is the default cache filename? @ RichiH / g00dtimes |
| 15:30.47 | exes | I'm trying to figure out why my pre-up scripts that form a tunnel for tun0 do not run at boot, only when I run ifup tun0 as root... any suggestions? |
| 15:30.59 | MuisjeNL | lsof gives me too much records to read :p |
| 15:31.06 | pistache | exes: auto ? |
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| 15:31.21 | g00dtimes | exes: check perms on your script. make certain that they have execute bit set. |
| 15:31.34 | pistache | exes: auto <the-interface-name> in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:31.41 | exes | there are no script files, just two pre-up directives |
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| 15:31.57 | exes | I've already got auto tun0 |
| 15:32.22 | g00dtimes | exes: do they work on the command line if you invoke them? |
| 15:33.33 | g00dtimes | MuisjeNL: theres going to be a few lines of output there. you need to combine with grep to fliter out what you want. i dont know the name of the cache file off the top of my head. you may have to do some research. |
| 15:33.35 | exes | http://galileo.exes.org/interfaces |
| 15:33.45 | exes | yes, ifup tun0 works |
| 15:33.58 | exes | there is nothing in the dmesg about the tun0 if |
| 15:34.12 | pistache | won't be in dmesg |
| 15:34.15 | pistache | look syslog |
| 15:34.45 | exes | nothing.. |
| 15:35.48 | g00dtimes | exes: can you successfully execute the up portion on the command line? |
| 15:35.55 | exes | yes |
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| 15:36.12 | pistache | wait. |
| 15:36.12 | exes | and, the command ifup tun0 works |
| 15:36.14 | pistache | -w 0:0 |
| 15:36.17 | pistache | is that Xorg ? |
| 15:36.26 | exes | SSH tunnel interfaces |
| 15:36.34 | exes | tun0 on this box:tun0 on that box |
| 15:36.37 | naquad | are there any packages with xen kernels 2.6.28 for debian? |
| 15:36.39 | pistache | oh yes, sorry |
| 15:36.59 | pistache | well exec |
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| 15:37.02 | MuisjeNL | g00dtimes there are 4 locks i could try to delete: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Aptitude |
| 15:37.05 | pistache | exes |
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| 15:37.22 | MuisjeNL | However this page still points out i might have to run dpkg configure to let it finish which it cannot due, because of segfault error |
| 15:37.24 | pistache | i guess your tun0 interface is starting when your main connection is not yet available |
| 15:37.25 | exes | yep? |
| 15:37.36 | exes | would make sense |
| 15:38.22 | g00dtimes | naquad: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 15:39.20 | naquad | g00dtimes: i've searched in repos, there's no linux-2.6.28*-xen kernel |
| 15:39.42 | MuisjeNL | g00dtimes can i tell dpkg to stop trying to finish? |
| 15:39.58 | MuisjeNL | So i can try reinstalling nano and gzip? |
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| 15:41.11 | exes | pistache/g00dtimes: ideas on how I can bring up tun0 after eth0? maybe post-up ifup tun0 and pre-down ifdown tun0 |
| 15:41.28 | spacey | hi, i was looking for amd64 debian testing iso. but http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/ directories are empty. any idea where i can get it? |
| 15:41.36 | pistache | exes: i don't recommend that |
| 15:41.53 | exes | how come? |
| 15:42.37 | pistache | oh yes, I misread |
| 15:42.43 | pistache | that's what I recommend |
| 15:42.47 | exes | lol |
| 15:42.53 | exes | thank god I asked eh? |
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| 15:43.12 | pistache | well, I was about to say exactly what you said, then I realized :p |
| 15:44.08 | pistache | so yes, this is a good solution, but tun0 may go down, in case your internet modem/router loses its connection |
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| 15:44.38 | g00dtimes | naquad: then thats your answer |
| 15:44.55 | naquad | g00dtimes: i thought someone could put a deb with built packages |
| 15:45.06 | g00dtimes | MuisjeNL: yes, kill it |
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| 15:45.25 | MuisjeNL | g00dtimes how? it's not running? :p |
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| 15:46.50 | exes | pistache: which would be bearable... what wouldn't be is having to manually fire up the tunnels |
| 15:46.56 | exes | at each reboot |
| 15:47.13 | Slydder | here's a cool error while rebuilding the mysql package: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libmysqlclient.so.16 needed by debian/mysql-client-planetic-5.1/opt/planetic/mysql51/bin/mysqlshow (its RPATH is ''). |
| 15:47.49 | Slydder | and in the rules file is: dh_shlibdeps -a -l debian/libmysqlclient16/opt/planetic/mysql51/lib -L libmysqlclient16 |
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| 15:47.59 | pistache | exes: then you have your solution |
| 15:47.59 | Slydder | which is 100% correct |
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| 15:49.13 | pythos | Hi, I have issue with an install process that hung at 25% on the last file to d/l of a fresh desktop. It was a few hours worth of downloads, and I am wondering if I can "pick up"the process. Unfortunately, I did go mad and shut the box down last PM, so I am wondering about using the netinst's rescue option, or similar? Could use a few ideas, thanks. |
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| 15:51.03 | ethanol | did you try just resuming it? |
| 15:51.25 | pythos | resume? Haven't heard of that yet. explain? |
| 15:51.26 | ethanol | if I'm not mistaken apt should just resume |
| 15:51.32 | ethanol | just do aptitude install whatever |
| 15:51.47 | pythos | from rescue shell? |
| 15:51.47 | ethanol | same thing as last night |
| 15:51.55 | ethanol | ? |
| 15:51.59 | MuisjeNL | ethanol, if you talk to me, t won't resume :p cause it crashes again :) |
| 15:52.12 | ethanol | oh you mean you hadn't installed the system yet? |
| 15:52.22 | pythos | it won't boot on its own yet |
| 15:52.26 | sparr | at some point in the past, dropdown boxes in firefox started opening in only one direction for me. that direction often leads off the screen, resulting in un-selectable items. this may be specific to linux, my distro, gnome, or certain UI options. what would cause that? |
| 15:52.29 | ethanol | nah was talking to pythos MuisjeNL |
| 15:52.52 | ethanol | sparr: tried updating your system? |
| 15:53.33 | sparr | ethanol: from ubuntu to debian, even :) |
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| 15:54.05 | g00dtimes | MuisjeNL: pastebin the output of lsof |
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| 15:57.24 | MuisjeNL | btw i think i found how the user possibly gained entrance, when i look at my ftp logs i see a shitload of attempts |
| 15:57.43 | MuisjeNL | originating from various addresses, all unknown (no office IP / my IP) |
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| 16:02.34 | ethanol | heh |
| 16:03.31 | MuisjeNL | But none of them succeeded :p |
| 16:03.48 | MuisjeNL | Atleast, i don't see any succesful logins |
| 16:08.59 | abrotman | pythos: i will tell you that most people skip tasksel during the install, and either run it after the first boot, or never (using just aptitude) |
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| 16:09.51 | pythos | ya |
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| 16:11.29 | pythos | so, not much to do but the install over? |
| 16:11.43 | abrotman | i probably would |
| 16:12.03 | kmels | Hello, should i just create a /home/<username> directory if no such was created when doing useradd <username> ?? |
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| 16:12.25 | ethanol | sure |
| 16:12.29 | ethanol | you can also still add it |
| 16:12.58 | kmels | ok and, to give permissions. just doing 'chown'? |
| 16:13.15 | ethanol | see man usermod |
| 16:13.23 | kmels | thanks |
| 16:13.34 | ethanol | and yeah, chown should suffice |
| 16:14.08 | nooper | and copy /etc/skel to it |
| 16:14.21 | ethanol | nooper: renamed to what? |
| 16:14.36 | ethanol | oh it's a dir |
| 16:14.40 | abrotman | kmels: use 'adduser' not 'useradd' |
| 16:14.43 | nooper | ya |
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| 16:15.06 | kmels | ok, thanks all |
| 16:15.31 | ethanol | clear |
| 16:15.33 | ethanol | err |
| 16:15.36 | ethanol | wrong terminal |
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| 16:23.52 | krion | after serial port trouble, ahci/sata trouble... |
| 16:24.21 | EmleyMoor | krion: Creeping mobo failure? |
| 16:25.53 | krion | grub prompt then freeze |
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| 16:31.46 | Absolute0 | does it handle power events, similar to gnome-power-manager? |
| 16:31.53 | Absolute0 | Is there any minimalist app that will lock my machine when my laptop screen is closed? |
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| 16:32.03 | webPragmatist | how do I pipe an authorized_key into authorized_keys |
| 16:32.22 | webPragmatist | or whats the proper way to add another authorized key |
| 16:32.24 | Absolute0 | I basically just want to run 'slock' when the lid is closed |
| 16:32.29 | themill | webPragmatist: ssh-copy-id |
| 16:33.07 | webPragmatist | themill: but I would have be running debian ? |
| 16:33.29 | webPragmatist | oh nm |
| 16:33.31 | webPragmatist | -i |
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| 16:34.40 | webPragmatist | hrm... |
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| 16:35.43 | webPragmatist | maybe ssh-add |
| 16:36.54 | themill | webPragmatist: you can just add the key with an editor or >>, just be careful. Easier to use ssh-copy-id if it's available as that also makes sure the permissions are sane. |
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| 16:37.43 | webPragmatist | themill: I read the man but I'm not sure I get it…. ssh-copy-id will take an id_rsa.pub as an input and add it to your authorized_keys ? |
| 16:39.07 | themill | webPragmatist: you run ssh-keygen on your desktop and then run ssh-copy-id to copy the ssh key from your desktop to the server and also add it to the authorized_keys on the server. |
| 16:39.32 | webPragmatist | but i'm on a mac and i don't have ssh-copy-id |
| 16:39.38 | webPragmatist | so i scp the id_rsaw |
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| 16:39.52 | webPragmatist | already… just need to append it |
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| 16:50.10 | odin_ | how can I make apt-get/dpkg ensure its using the current Packages index from the repos ? |
| 16:50.32 | exes | pistache: eh... doesn't work |
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| 16:55.28 | exes | I know it's executing, I had &> /root/autossh at the end of the command... blank file though |
| 16:56.07 | exes | again, works with just ifup tun0... so maybe it's really taking too long for the interface to come up? I added post-up sleep 10 before the post-up ifup tun0 |
| 16:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | odin_, "aptitude update"? |
| 16:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | bets that's not the <real question> |
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| 16:57.38 | odin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, what does that do ? aptitude is not installed, I have apt, apt-get and such.. as dpkg, dpkg-deb and such (no aptitude) as the ditro has its own main package manager (which calls apt/apt-get/dpkg, etc...) |
| 16:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | so this is not debian? |
| 16:58.19 | themill | odin_: you really should be asking whomever has put together this weird derivative together. It's not debian and we keep seeing how quirky it is. |
| 16:58.21 | odin_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yes just not etch/lenny |
| 16:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | which of the two? |
| 16:58.41 | odin_ | ah "apt-get update" means: update - Retrieve new lists of packages |
| 16:58.44 | krion | guys, i don't understand |
| 16:58.56 | krion | what's the lastest libc6 package version ? |
| 16:59.09 | krion | i see security update about it but i don't see the DSA related |
| 16:59.11 | odin_ | its debian just not from debian, but has debian package management but not your GUI |
| 16:59.33 | exes | what? |
| 16:59.44 | exes | it's from debian, unless you use a mirror that isn't owned by debian |
| 16:59.57 | exes | but that's still debian |
| 17:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you have "debian not from debian" |
| 17:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | either the packages are from debian, then it's debian, or they are not, then it's not |
| 17:00.52 | themill | odin_: no, it also has different packages and different bugs. It's not debian... "/msg dpkg based on debian". Please ask the people who are actually making these packages as they are *not* debian packages. |
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| 17:02.23 | odin_ | themill, yes but my question would equially apply to lenny |
| 17:02.35 | odin_ | the answer was "apt-get update" |
| 17:02.44 | themill | odin_: no, the answer was "aptitude update". |
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| 17:03.06 | odin_ | as your saying "apt-get update" does not pull down the Packages.gz files (and refres the local repo with new indexes?) |
| 17:03.10 | odin_ | s/as/are/ |
| 17:03.17 | themill | odin_: and then you went on about how the answer for debian wasn't applicable to whatever it is you are running. |
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| 17:03.30 | nullp0inter | i am creating a partition for dual booting debian and windows 7...ext 3 is the preferred filesystem right? |
| 17:03.32 | odin_ | my question is a generic debian package management question |
| 17:04.21 | exes | nullp0inter: ext3 is fine for your linux partitions, but not for Windows 7 |
| 17:04.22 | themill | odin_: in which case, why did you reject the answer that CutMeOwnThroat gave you as being inapplicable? It *is* the correct answer if you are running debian which you are not. |
| 17:04.33 | themill | odin_: Please go ask the people who make the distro you're using... it's not debian. |
| 17:04.50 | odin_ | themill, its no applicable as aptitude is not installed (this is not a required binary to use debian package management) |
| 17:05.00 | WormFood | <ethanol> WormFood: moving it is lame, nothing more but security through obscurity. <-- are you stupid? did I suggest moving the port would make it more secure? no! I only suggest people change the port to stop the script kiddies from trying to brute force their server. I get tired of seeing all those lame attempts to brute force my server in my log files, so I move the port, and it stops that shit. |
| 17:05.16 | odin_ | but thanks to CutMeOwnThroat for the pointer on "update" |
| 17:05.35 | exes | that doesn't sound right |
| 17:05.50 | themill | odin_: seriously. Stop arguing here. aptitude is the package manager that is supposed to be used with debian. You're not running debian so please go ask elsewhere... |
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| 17:06.45 | themill | odin_: hint: the fact that you had to tell us that the answer wasn't helpful to you and go on about how it's almost debian but not quite should tell you that you're asking the questions in the wrong place. |
| 17:06.47 | odin_ | themill, understood on your view themill thanks for your reply |
| 17:07.33 | WormFood | odin_, if you're not running debian, then asking here is moot |
| 17:07.58 | odin_ | is there a debian package management channel ? |
| 17:08.07 | odin_ | as my questions are fairly generic to that domain |
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| 17:08.08 | WormFood | odin_, what distro are you actually trying to use? |
| 17:08.37 | themill | odin_: seriously go ask the people who make whatever it is you are using. This is *not* debian so there's no point in asking questions in debian channels. |
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| 17:13.47 | jelly | nullp0inter: I've no idea about Windows 7, but Windows XP + ext2/ext3 driver from fs-driver.org worked decently well. For 100% compatibility I'd still use FAT32 (vfat). ext3 doesn't have a free fsck in Windows, and ntfs doesn't have a working free fsck on Linux. |
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| 17:14.46 | jelly | hmph, technically one could build e2fsprogs with mingw or cygwin. |
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| 17:15.19 | nullp0inter | thx jelly |
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| 17:18.22 | odin_ | as my questions are fairly generic to that domain |
| 17:18.52 | jelly | perhaps we need a #debian-only-not channel |
| 17:19.00 | odin_ | WormFood, distro is based on etch, for the Nokia N900 mobile phone, their Linux handset maemo.org intiative |
| 17:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's maemo... for which there is #maemo |
| 17:19.33 | odin_ | jelly, maybe or just an libapt dev channel ? which is really where my questions come from |
| 17:19.49 | WormFood | yeah, I have a N800...I'm well aware of the nokia Nxx and Nxxx series |
| 17:20.12 | jelly | I mean, even the iPhone jailbreak environment uses apt to download packages... that doesn't make it fair game to ask questions here |
| 17:20.16 | odin_ | WormFood, no but you were not aware of my Linux disto (which is the question you asked and I answered) |
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| 17:20.23 | WormFood | odin_, but seriously, your questions about a non-debian system are not welcome here. |
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| 17:20.45 | krion | nobody's aware of the libc6 upgrade ? |
| 17:20.48 | krion | that's weird... |
| 17:21.05 | WormFood | krion, what libc6 upgrade? |
| 17:21.06 | PyroPhelia | is there a command/app that will let me monitor every user login? I know I can type 'users' to see who is currently logged in, but I want to watch who logs in and when |
| 17:21.08 | jelly | odin_: dunno, for libapt porting, perhaps a debian-devel channel here or on oftc |
| 17:21.09 | WormFood | does it break everything? |
| 17:21.38 | webPragmatist | as root how do i interactively run commands as another user? |
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| 17:22.07 | WormFood | webPragmatist, su |
| 17:22.17 | WormFood | webPragmatist, check out the -c option |
| 17:22.21 | jelly | judd: I need you! Why must you torment me with your absence! |
| 17:22.22 | krion | WormFood: i see a newer version when i apt-get -s upgrade |
| 17:22.55 | jelly | krion: is there a problem with that? |
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| 17:23.07 | krion | Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 Candidat 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10 |
| 17:23.10 | odin_ | jelly, sorry I am not porting, I am simply using, the same apt/dpkg tooling that is available in etch/lenny, and I still maintain that all my questions are generic debian package management questions which apply equal to etch as they do to maemo, I'm sorry if this offends you as I'm not using the debian.org armel distribution (but when you sort hardware drivers and stuff maybe I will) |
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| 17:23.27 | krion | jelly: i just wonder because i don't see the related DSA (as the update come from security) |
| 17:23.27 | Maulkin | sighs |
| 17:24.18 | webPragmatist | WormFood: eh? what about sudo -u ? |
| 17:24.19 | jelly | prefers packages for common arches to arrive ASAP, at the expense of DSA notices |
| 17:24.25 | Maulkin | odin_: You need to go ask in #maemo |
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| 17:24.40 | themill | odin_: etch and lenny don't have broken packages which is what you're trying to resolve. Bad analogy. |
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| 17:24.57 | WormFood | webPragmatist, you asked, I answered...I don't use sudo, if that is what you want to use, go for it |
| 17:25.03 | odin_ | Maulkin, I understand have been in #maemo for a number of months now, but some things there are maybe go ask #debian lol |
| 17:25.15 | krion | jelly: you're right, it's just that upgrade libc6 is "dangerous" IMHO |
| 17:25.40 | jelly | krion: then again, "aptitude changelog libc6" doesn't work for that package either. I suggest you aptitude -d it and peek into the changelog in there :-) |
| 17:25.56 | Maulkin | odin_: I'm afraid that one possible cause is that maemo has broken apt, as they can make changes. Perhaps you could ask their mailing lists? |
| 17:25.58 | odin_ | themill, what is broken ? my question was: how can I make apt-get/dpkg ensure its using the current Packages index from the repos ? the answer is "aptitude update" which actually does a ""apt-get update" (since I would take big guess and say it calls the same libapi API) |
| 17:26.05 | WormFood | you can easily su a shell to another user, and use that to run whatever you want (and contrary to popular belief, "su" is not for "super user", it is for "substitute user") |
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| 17:26.21 | Maulkin | odin_: or see http://talk.maemo.org/ |
| 17:26.38 | themill | odin_: Bored now. Please ask in the appropriate place as you have been requested many many times. |
| 17:26.39 | jelly | krion: also, if you have apt-listchanges installed it will show you the changelog entries and (by default) allow to break the process before anything is installed |
| 17:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | odin_, you didn't ask there during the last 2 days, though |
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| 17:27.01 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.10 | beardy | WormFood: I thought it was "switch" user. |
| 17:27.25 | nsadmin | that's what it is |
| 17:27.27 | abrotman | it is |
| 17:27.35 | WormFood | I remember it as being for "substitute user" |
| 17:27.49 | WormFood | in either case, it is not for "super user", as most people think |
| 17:27.53 | jelly | substitutes WormFood for real food |
| 17:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | substitute user by a wooden doll... |
| 17:27.56 | nsadmin | I guess substitute is a good substitute |
| 17:27.59 | beardy | Most people does not think that. |
| 17:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, it can be for super user, if I want it to! |
| 17:28.23 | WormFood | beardy, you know most people? |
| 17:28.37 | beardy | WormFood: Do you, more than me? |
| 17:28.41 | jrib | original "su" in unix was apparently superuser |
| 17:28.50 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 17:29.17 | jelly | come to think of it, is there a dpkg/apt channel? |
| 17:29.52 | nsadmin | there is #debian-devel on this net and oftc |
| 17:30.43 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: i got it to work |
| 17:31.00 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: had to make one edit to the xen-tools.conf file to where the img is saved |
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| 17:31.13 | eagles0513875 | now im having issues with geting ubuntu install :( for some reason |
| 17:31.17 | nsadmin | oh, was that place nonwritable? |
| 17:31.27 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: its in the /home dir |
| 17:31.51 | eagles0513875 | when i was passing xen-create-image i was passing --dir=/home/xen_vm which is the dir where i have all the images |
| 17:31.52 | nsadmin | what user were you running that command as? |
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| 17:32.00 | eagles0513875 | root |
| 17:32.10 | DEbiansqueeze | hi i can update or remove anyhing i get this issue consolekit: Breaks: udev (< 147~) but 0.141-1 is to be installed |
| 17:32.12 | nsadmin | hmm, that should work fine |
| 17:32.28 | nsadmin | but what was the problem? |
| 17:33.09 | nsadmin | not enough space in /home? |
| 17:33.14 | eagles0513875 | the location being commented out in xen-tools.conf file |
| 17:33.20 | eagles0513875 | and it not being the right location |
| 17:33.21 | jelly | DEbiansqueeze: let me guess, you've tried to install packages from unstable on your stable or testing distro, and after it broke you removed unstable repos from sources.list? |
| 17:33.28 | eagles0513875 | the server has 500gb drive nsadmin |
| 17:33.39 | nsadmin | all in one partition? |
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| 17:33.57 | nsadmin | see... I like to lvm my doms :) |
| 17:34.13 | nsadmin | so they could potentially even be booted standalone |
| 17:34.18 | DEbiansqueeze | no just upgraded no changes |
| 17:34.35 | jelly | DEbiansqueeze: please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 consolekit udev |tail -3" and "apt-cache policy libc6 udev" |
| 17:36.22 | nsadmin | and I like to put grub stage1 in mbr and stage2 chainloaded from that 64-sector blank space right after the mbr |
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| 17:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a difference between postifix-policyd and policyd-weight? Are they complementary, or are they alternatives? |
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| 17:37.19 | naquad | is there any ftp server able to work with it's own passwd base? |
| 17:37.31 | naquad | i need something fast & easily configured |
| 17:37.44 | nsadmin | this is going to be over the actual internet? |
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| 17:37.57 | naquad | yes |
| 17:38.28 | nsadmin | cause authenticated ftp is not good for that due to security problems involving the passwords not being encrypted |
| 17:38.41 | DEbiansqueeze | used the name debsqueeze at http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 17:39.53 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: he asked for more than that |
| 17:39.57 | MariachiAC | Hello. I've been trying to use debootstrap to install debian. Is there some sort of instructions I can follow. I know i have to modify files, but i'll need help with the process. |
| 17:40.21 | DEbiansqueeze | apt-cache policy libc6 udev is there now |
| 17:40.28 | joe-mac | is anybody here maintaining a repo that pulls in newer packages related to ruby? i am trying to pull in 1.3.5 of rubygems, and something is still trying to grab libruby-gems (.9.4) and i am having trouble tracking it down |
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| 17:40.39 | nsadmin | MariachiAC what have you done so far |
| 17:40.54 | jelly | DEbiansqueeze: also, dpkg -l libc6 consolekit udev |tail -3 |
| 17:41.18 | joe-mac | rubygems1.8, in the control file has correct replace lines, and the other ruby packages have correct depends lines that i changed |
| 17:41.25 | nsadmin | I was never able to get debian-packaged ruby to work right... I just wanted to learn a little about ruby so I built my own |
| 17:41.30 | nsadmin | and that worked. |
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| 17:41.40 | jelly | DEbiansqueeze: "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" will likely offer a solution. |
| 17:42.04 | emgee | Hey folks! I need to install debian on a machine without a graphics card. Any ideas? Thinking Live-CD with sshd, but don't know where to start. |
| 17:42.09 | DEbiansqueeze | done |
| 17:43.14 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: Well I had the system installed, but it did not work. When isntalling kernel packages and settingg locales it kept saying that it could not set locales (perl : warnoing could not set LAN) something to that nature. so I'm back at square one. I can start the process with debootstrap squeeze /dev/sda3 address_of_mirror. But thats probably as ar as I can get. I know what packages to install, but I'll need to know how to chroot and |
| 17:43.31 | jelly | nsadmin: funny how every language with own library repository and upgrade system happens to have ugly hacky things done to it by Debian. |
| 17:43.37 | DEbiansqueeze | Need to get 0B/452kB of archives. After unpacking 512kB will be used is what it tells me |
| 17:44.16 | nsadmin | jelly: yeah, if I have to do real work, that stuff just gets in the way |
| 17:44.30 | jelly | nsadmin: CPAN almost works, though. But pear, gems, and what's that python thing, all messed up |
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| 17:44.52 | joe-mac | yea, this is driving me batshit insane. something is still trying to pull in libgems-ruby1.8 and i can't figure out what it is |
| 17:45.06 | DEbiansqueeze | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_amd64.deb |
| 17:45.07 | dpkg | debiansqueeze: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:45.35 | jelly | dpkg: botsnack |
| 17:45.36 | dpkg | thanks, jelly |
| 17:45.37 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: paste the entire error (or read it very carefully yourself, it tells you how to fix it) |
| 17:46.45 | nsadmin | ruby was pretty cool, but its basic data structures (starting with lists) don't lend themselves to recursion (didn't have something like a single chainable thingy like a lisp pair) |
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| 17:47.19 | nsadmin | dpkg: buttsnack |
| 17:47.19 | dpkg | Man, I'd rather have a doughnut... |
| 17:48.09 | joe-mac | o ffs i think it's actually ruby itself, |
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| 17:48.53 | joe-mac | is there liek a reverse apt-cache depends? |
| 17:49.04 | nsadmin | rdepends? |
| 17:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, sometimes dpkg becomes eerie... |
| 17:49.40 | jelly | !rdepends |
| 17:49.41 | dpkg | i heard rdepends is apt-cache rdepends foo; shows you what depends on foo |
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| 17:50.03 | jelly | there's an aptitude search parameter as well I think |
| 17:50.13 | joe-mac | nice rdepends yea |
| 17:50.16 | joe-mac | thanks nsadmin |
| 17:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or apt-rdepdnes -r |
| 17:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | which recurses into recursions recursively |
| 17:52.25 | jelly | typos within recursions within recursions |
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| 18:12.38 | hyper_ch | hi there, when I ssh into an ubuntu machine I usually get shown how many updates there currently are.... I wonder how I can get the same message for a debian machine |
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| 18:14.56 | eagles0513875 | nsadmin: :) |
| 18:15.08 | eagles0513875 | hey hyper_ch been a while |
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| 18:15.18 | hyper_ch | eagles0513875: :) |
| 18:15.33 | eagles0513875 | how you doing :) |
| 18:15.41 | rgr | I have a debain stable whose keyboard keeps going back to US layout. I did a sudo configure for console-but its reverted again. Gnome. The gnome preferences are for german keyboard too. What an I do to thix this? |
| 18:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | just "aptitude" give you a line ssaying something like Upgradable Packages (number) |
| 18:15.57 | hyper_ch | eagles0513875: doing fine... started to working now as partner in the firm |
| 18:16.10 | eagles0513875 | hyper_ch: nice grats. IT partner? |
| 18:16.45 | hyper_ch | CutMeOwnThroat: nah, ubuntu regurarly auto-updates the sources and when you login by ssh you get a summary of how many packages can be upgraded and how many security upgrades there are |
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| 18:16.54 | hyper_ch | eagles0513875: nah, not working in the IT busines |
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| 18:17.18 | eagles0513875 | hyper_ch: ahhh kool what firm |
| 18:17.26 | eagles0513875 | hyper_ch: it has a cron to do that for you from what i found out |
| 18:17.26 | hyper_ch | eagles0513875: law firm |
| 18:17.30 | eagles0513875 | nice :) grats |
| 18:17.47 | hyper_ch | eagles0513875: well, apt-get update is on cron |
| 18:17.57 | hyper_ch | but how to display it upon sshing into the box :) |
| 18:18.23 | eagles0513875 | hyper_ch: not sure on debian im only in here cuz i have been fighting with xen which i now know what im doing with lol |
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| 18:18.50 | alcohol | hyper_ch: run cmd on connect? |
| 18:18.53 | hyper_ch | eagles0513875: never used xen |
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| 18:19.32 | eagles0513875 | hyper_ch: what a headache give it a shot specially if you dont know what your doing like me im fresh to xen, but debian make it really easy to create guests in xen hypervisor once u get the host setup |
| 18:20.11 | hyper_ch | alcohol: you get a message like this: http://www.pastie.org/788561 but if there are updates it tells you there also |
| 18:20.16 | ambuli | i am using dpkg-buildpackage, how can i determine if it provides binary .deb or source .deb ? |
| 18:21.06 | hyper_ch | and as I log in daily into the machines it's nice to see if I should bother to upgrade :) |
| 18:21.16 | ambuli | could someone help me out ? |
| 18:21.23 | themill | hyper_ch: maybe you should look at cron-apt |
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| 18:21.26 | alcohol | hyper_ch: eh, not sure how to open that link from irssi in console here =D |
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| 18:22.06 | hyper_ch | themill: will have a look |
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| 18:23.52 | hyper_ch | themill: I don't want to update the packages automatically... just the packages list and then telling me upon logging in by ssh if there are updates available |
| 18:24.12 | themill | dpkg: tell hyper_ch about cron-apt |
| 18:24.39 | themill | hyper_ch: cron-apt update the packages automatically. And it saves you having to log in to check by emailing you about it. |
| 18:24.54 | themill | err... cron-apt *doesn't* update packages automatically |
| 18:25.20 | hyper_ch | themill: well, I read that... but does it show if there are updatable packages upon login by ssh? |
| 18:25.27 | alcohol | omg |
| 18:25.28 | themill | gives up |
| 18:25.41 | alcohol | hyper_ch: rm -rf /, install ubuntu, begone |
| 18:26.27 | hyper_ch | alcohol: so, you don't know how to do that |
| 18:26.40 | alcohol | no, and I don't care, cause it is completely useless. |
| 18:27.07 | themill | hyper_ch: I'm trying to suggest something that would be even better as it saves you needing to log in to check. |
| 18:27.09 | eagles0513875 | any xen masters in here |
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| 18:27.34 | leejongwook | what is package name for "c standard library documentation" ? |
| 18:27.49 | alcohol | I use pretty much the same as themill suggests. I have a tiny cron that runs update and then simulated install, results are mailed to me if anything would have been installed |
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| 18:28.31 | alcohol | leejongwook: aptitude search ? |
| 18:28.34 | jelly | hyper_ch: we don't know which package provides your functionality, but if you figure it out, use apt-cache search to find whether it exists on Debian |
| 18:28.45 | leejongwook | alcohol, hi :) |
| 18:28.53 | gigo | i started tightvncserver on squeeze. it started at :1, i can see a tmp file /tmp/.X1-lock which as the PID 3707 as content. |
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| 18:28.59 | gigo | but i see no process with that PID 3707 |
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| 18:29.07 | leejongwook | alcohol, aptitude search c+lib+doc ? |
| 18:29.08 | gigo | nor can I connect to vncserver using the vncviewer |
| 18:29.17 | gigo | i don't think the vnc server is running. I need help in fixing this. |
| 18:29.44 | hyper_ch | themill: I log in anyway... and I got tons of email reports that I don't care anymore reading... so another email report is just not what I need |
| 18:29.49 | alcohol | leejongwook: no clue to be honest, not sure what you are searching for |
| 18:29.59 | jelly | hyper_ch: I only know of update-notifier which provides a GUI interface, dunno if it has a CLI one |
| 18:30.04 | themill | *shurg* whataver |
| 18:30.30 | alcohol | hyper_ch: when you stop caring you become a bad admin :< |
| 18:30.58 | jelly | or it means you haven't automated things enough |
| 18:30.58 | hyper_ch | did I ever claim to be a good one? |
| 18:31.28 | leejongwook | alcohol, leejongwook( 3:30:49)$ apropos printf <--- this only showing me this ---> printf (1) - format and print data |
| 18:31.43 | jelly | basically you should only get/see those logs you find important, and the rest be whisked away by means of filtering |
| 18:32.06 | alcohol | apropos ? |
| 18:32.23 | jelly | apropos. |
| 18:32.33 | jelly | also known as "man -k" |
| 18:33.14 | jelly | leejongwook: you want to install manpages-dev |
| 18:33.14 | alcohol | ah |
| 18:33.46 | leejongwook | jelly, thanks :) |
| 18:33.47 | jelly | leejongwook: /msg dpkg apt-file, and /msg dpkg search, to see how to efficiently search for stuff in Debian |
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| 18:34.32 | jelly | printf(1) is man page for /usr/bin/printf |
| 18:35.09 | leejongwook | jelly, thanks :) hehe |
| 18:35.29 | leejongwook | solved my problem :) thanks |
| 18:35.38 | leejongwook | with manpages-dev |
| 18:35.47 | leejongwook | :) |
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| 18:36.07 | jelly | leejongwook: you might also want to look at glibc reference manual, which unfortunately is not in debian, but is present in the non-free repository as glibc-doc-reference package. |
| 18:36.37 | jelly | !non-free sources |
| 18:36.38 | dpkg | from memory, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 18:36.55 | jelly | !info glibc-doc-reference |
| 18:37.29 | dpkg | glibc-doc-reference: (GNU C Library: Documentation), section non-free/doc, is optional. Version: 2.10.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5080 kB, Installed size: 12016 kB |
| 18:37.48 | jelly | well. It's there in lenny, too. |
| 18:38.28 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 18:38.50 | leejongwook | :) thanks |
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| 18:41.05 | jelly | yeah, it's an OS calling itself Debian GNU/Linux, but doesn't have essential GNU developer documentation. This is my favorite Debian rant! |
| 18:41.37 | AimHere | It does, it's just relegated to unfree |
| 18:41.42 | maligor | vitally important for all users |
| 18:41.50 | jelly | AimHere: which is _not_ part of Debian. |
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| 18:42.36 | maligor | So someone needs to write complete Free Documentation for GNU? :P |
| 18:42.53 | tobago | my network card is not working (realtek8168B). so how to install debian without a network card? |
| 18:42.58 | AimHere | Well Debian is doing it's best to protect us from becoming Hapless Peons, enslaved to the Horrific Fascist Doctrine of the GNU Free Documentation License |
| 18:43.14 | jelly | tobago: try using an installer with updated kernel. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 18:43.52 | jelly | oh noes! Immutable sections! Hide your children! |
| 18:44.18 | jelly | runs away, arms flailing |
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| 18:47.55 | dutchfish | hi, how do i extract the SONAME on a debian etch machine with a custom build debian kernel? |
| 18:47.58 | eagles0513875 | humm |
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| 18:58.22 | alcohol | !ipv6 |
| 18:58.22 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 18:58.35 | alcohol | ops sorry |
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| 19:01.12 | danau | Hi, I recently got data-corruption on ext3, but a test with badblocks showed no errors. |
| 19:01.24 | danau | How can I find out where the problem came from? |
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| 19:03.05 | eagles0513875 | whats the website for xen-tools |
| 19:03.27 | eagles0513875 | !xen-tools |
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| 19:03.40 | eagles0513875 | smacks the bot a bit |
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| 19:04.41 | danau | eagles0513875: Cannot you find it by Googling? |
| 19:04.56 | eagles0513875 | xen-tools.conf has xen-tools.org but when i go there nothing loads |
| 19:04.59 | eagles0513875 | danau: |
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| 19:05.22 | jelly | eagles0513875: use /msg dpkg whatever instead of !whatever, please |
| 19:05.47 | TangentCollision | Hey, I'm going to be making a minimal net install to a 4gb SD card, should I be avoiding anything/doing anything particularly special like file system specifics? |
| 19:05.52 | danau | eagles0513875: This link seems to work btw: http://www.xen-tools.org/software/xen-tools/ |
| 19:06.08 | eagles0513875 | jelly: i used apt-cache policy to find out the version. i wanna see if there is a newer version available since there are some ubuntu distros which are no longer supported |
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| 19:07.13 | tobago | jelly, mmh. i've got the debian netinst.iso and i've got the driver source of my network card. but how to put it together onto my usb debian starter? |
| 19:07.27 | jelly | eagles0513875: just... query the bot in private if not helping someone else or showing a general interest point |
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| 19:07.47 | eagles0513875 | sry jelly |
| 19:08.05 | tobago | i mean is there a way to put this source into that debian starter for installation? |
| 19:08.16 | danau | Around the time my ext3 file-system got damaged, dmesg showed: ext3-fs error ext3_reserve_inode_write: IO failure |
| 19:08.23 | jelly | tobago: don't. Just use the updated installer and see if it works with your hardware. |
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| 19:08.34 | tobago | installing debian onto a system with non supported network card seems to be a pain in the ass. |
| 19:08.48 | alcohol | how do I add the ipv6.disabled=1 to yaboot ? :< |
| 19:08.51 | alcohol | it doesn't seem to work |
| 19:08.57 | alcohol | silly debian still has ipv6 entries |
| 19:09.04 | cahoot | danau: I'd run smartctl on that disk |
| 19:09.28 | jelly | tobago: the point of using an installer with a newer kernel is to have the hardware support provided by that new kernel |
| 19:09.32 | danau | cahoot: Ok, I'll try that. |
| 19:10.09 | simonrvn | alcohol: append="" |
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| 19:10.45 | TangentCollision | dpkg: mirrorstatus |
| 19:10.45 | dpkg | TangentCollision: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 19:10.51 | tobago | jelly o.k. i'll give it shot in hope my card is supported by these newer kerne, thought they could have listed which cards are supported by this kernel. |
| 19:10.53 | TangentCollision | -.- |
| 19:10.58 | tobago | give it a shot |
| 19:11.07 | eagles0513875 | lol TangentCollision nice oen |
| 19:11.18 | tobago | tons of typos... |
| 19:11.41 | TangentCollision | I want to know which ones are out of sync |
| 19:11.52 | TangentCollision | but I guess that's something that doesn't happen as often as arch |
| 19:12.32 | TangentCollision | ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu it is |
| 19:12.40 | jelly | tobago: you can use the hcl on that site with your lspci -n output to see which driver is used for your hardware (if any) |
| 19:14.04 | jelly | !hcl |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 19:17.26 | OldParr | i do not understand this part of the documentation: After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done. -----------where do i get debian iso image, how do i copy it to the flash drive |
| 19:18.37 | eagles0513875 | hey guys how does one get something updated on debian lenny? |
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| 19:20.02 | TangentCollision | OldParr: dd -i/home/oldparr/Desktop/debian.iso of/deb/sdc1 |
| 19:20.10 | TangentCollision | er |
| 19:20.17 | chomwitt | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/* are empty pages. |
| 19:20.36 | TangentCollision | OldParr: dd if=/home/oldparr/Desktop/debian.iso of=/deb/sdc1 |
| 19:20.53 | TangentCollision | that should work |
| 19:21.00 | Remere | I'm having issues with apt-get, all commands results in "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.' |
| 19:21.50 | TangentCollision | Remere: choose a different mirror for your repository? |
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| 19:22.18 | Remere | deb ftp://94.75.223.121/debian/ etch main non-free contrib is the server I'm using now, where can I find a mirror then? |
| 19:22.46 | web1109 | could anyone shed some light on why I'm able to resolve IP from hostname.local, but not the other way around? both machines on private lan off the internet |
| 19:22.47 | TangentCollision | do a search for debian mirrors on google |
| 19:23.13 | OldParr | TangentCollision: i am running ubuntu wright now, will if=/home/oldparr/Desktop/debian.iso of=/deb/sdc1 works /////question mark//////// |
| 19:23.22 | humbolt | hey, I have trouble with rsync and ntfs-3g. It copies the same files over and over again, when I start rsync again. |
| 19:23.58 | TangentCollision | OldParr: if the iso is indeed called debian.iso and located at /home/oldparr/Desktop/ |
| 19:24.01 | TangentCollision | then yes |
| 19:24.08 | TangentCollision | I do believe so |
| 19:24.18 | jelly | OldParr: that's not what the instructions say to do. |
| 19:24.37 | web1109 | is hostname.local advertised at all on the network? like netbios? |
| 19:24.42 | TangentCollision | eh, maybe I'm wrong then |
| 19:24.46 | jelly | odin_: they tell you to mount /dev/sdc /mnt, and then copy the iso file to /mnt/ |
| 19:24.54 | jelly | OldParr: they tell you to mount /dev/sdc /mnt, and then copy the iso file to /mnt/ |
| 19:24.57 | rgr | having issues with a debian lenny constantly revertng to USA keyboard layout. Can someone tell me how to query relevant information from the command line (its a remote machine and I am ssh'd in as we speak). |
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| 19:25.15 | OldParr | where do i get debian.iso ////question mark////// |
| 19:25.19 | TangentCollision | jelly: that will literally copy the file to /mnt |
| 19:25.23 | jelly | TangentCollision: exactly. |
| 19:25.29 | TangentCollision | OldParr: is your / ? key broken? |
| 19:25.35 | rgr | (I reconfigred console-data btw it reverted to USA when the machine was restarted later in the week) |
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| 19:25.49 | OldParr | yes /////exclamation mark/////// |
| 19:25.55 | jelly | heh |
| 19:26.01 | TangentCollision | alrighty then |
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| 19:26.45 | OldParr | where do i get debian.iso |
| 19:26.54 | TangentCollision | jelly: so OldParr is asking how to copy the iso to the directory on the drive, not write the files in the iso to the drive? |
| 19:26.57 | jelly | OldParr: use an appropriate netinst image for your architecture |
| 19:27.05 | TangentCollision | OldParr: that ^ |
| 19:27.25 | jelly | TangentCollision: he's preparing an usb install stick, AFAICT |
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| 19:27.50 | TangentCollision | then copying the iso to the drive is not what they want |
| 19:28.06 | jelly | TangentCollision: read Debian's official instructions to do that. |
| 19:28.20 | jelly | TangentCollision: that's exactly what they ask you to do, and it's correct |
| 19:28.22 | TangentCollision | and dd will actually work as long as they set the boot flag with fdisk or such |
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| 19:28.35 | TangentCollision | hmm, odd |
| 19:28.43 | TangentCollision | it's what I did :P |
| 19:28.44 | humbolt | how can I find out, which files will be transfered with rsync? |
| 19:28.48 | edju | Anyone w/ a pointer to how to use resolvconf (other than the man page)? |
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| 19:28.48 | jelly | TangentCollision: first one dd's one image, mounts it, then copies the iso onto that fs |
| 19:28.57 | jelly | humbolt: use -n |
| 19:29.42 | becks` | hi, i'd like to get all lines of a csv file that have 33 in a certain column; if i filter like this, i only get the values: `cat csv.file cut -f4 -d';' | grep 33` - how can i get the full lines? |
| 19:30.01 | jelly | TangentCollision: why there's no ready official bootable image with all the data is beyond me, really |
| 19:30.36 | TangentCollision | oh wait, I used the eee-debian-netinst.img |
| 19:30.40 | humbolt | jelly: Number of files, Number of files transferred are two figures --stats is telling me in combination with --dry-run (-n) |
| 19:30.52 | TangentCollision | if that really makes that much difference |
| 19:31.16 | OldParr | i downloaded boot.img.gz and i did zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb now the documenttation says: After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done. AND the question is : where do iget debian.iso and how do i copy it to the flash drive ///question mark//// |
| 19:31.25 | jelly | humbolt: right, and you'll be looking at the latter number. |
| 19:31.48 | humbolt | jelly: I am trying to rsync two ntfs-3g disks, but when I stop the transfer and start it again, it seems to want to transfer all files again! |
| 19:31.55 | TangentCollision | OldParr: debian.iso is fictional |
| 19:32.04 | TangentCollision | it was a representation |
| 19:32.10 | humbolt | jelly: --inplace, what is that doing? |
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| 19:32.43 | jelly | OldParr: use the netinst image for your architecture. http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:33.15 | TangentCollision | OldParr: ignore my instructions, they are apperently incorrect |
| 19:33.16 | jelly | humbolt: nothing relevant to your issue |
| 19:33.58 | OldParr | TangentCollision: thanks |
| 19:34.07 | humbolt | jelly: my friend started the transfer without "-a" and without "-t" just with "-r" |
| 19:34.18 | TangentCollision | OldParr: you're welcome, I tried |
| 19:34.24 | danau | I have run smartctl, and it didn't find any problems. The output can be seen at: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/me17be98 |
| 19:34.39 | jelly | humbolt: rsync uses timestamps, filenames (and permissions?) to see if there's a need to copy a file. If your files don't have the correct timestamps, they'll be copied again |
| 19:34.47 | humbolt | jelly: is there a way to let rsync simply change the file times instead of retransferring the whole file? |
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| 19:35.15 | OldParr | jelly: how do i write debian-5.03-i386-netinst.iso to the flash drive ////question mark///// |
| 19:35.19 | jelly | humbolt: you can do that with a shell script |
| 19:35.34 | humbolt | jelly: I used --ignore-times and --size-only, but that did not help much |
| 19:35.50 | jelly | OldParr: that's the "After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt)" part, and "copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. " part. |
| 19:35.58 | jelly | OldParr: did you mount it already? |
| 19:36.10 | humbolt | jelly: seems a lot of work |
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| 19:36.36 | jelly | shrugs |
| 19:36.37 | OldParr | jelly: i am down loading debian-5.03-i386-netinst.iso it is slow |
| 19:37.19 | jelly | OldParr: you can "mount /dev/sdSTUFF /mnt" before it's downloaded, ya know |
| 19:37.42 | humbolt | jelly: do you have a script at hand? |
| 19:38.01 | Remere | TangentCollision: Got it working, thank you. |
| 19:38.54 | rgr | having issues with a debian lenny constantly revertng to USA keyboard layout. Can someone tell me how to query relevant information from the command line (its a remote machine and I am ssh'd in as we speak). |
| 19:39.50 | OldParr | jelly: do i must simply ---------------- cp debian-5.03-i386-netinst.iso /media/FLASHDRIVE |
| 19:40.04 | jelly | humbolt: nope. It'd be something like, hmm, "cd /source/dir; find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 -iX echo touch --reference=X /destination/dir/X" |
| 19:40.28 | jelly | OldParr: if /dev/sdc is mounted on /media/FLASHDRIVE, yes |
| 19:40.48 | MariachiAC | http://pastebin.com/m1ed15e45 |
| 19:41.03 | OldParr | jelly: my flash drive is /dev/sdb |
| 19:41.07 | TangentCollision | Remere: did I tell you to do something? |
| 19:41.08 | humbolt | jelly: what does inplace do now? |
| 19:41.28 | TangentCollision | oh |
| 19:41.30 | TangentCollision | yeah |
| 19:41.35 | TangentCollision | Remere: no problem, lol |
| 19:42.20 | jelly | humbolt: eh, does the manual not explain it well? |
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| 19:43.03 | humbolt | jelly: ok, tell me if I understand right: if a file is overwritten, it starts writing to the same sectors. |
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| 19:43.41 | jelly | humbolt: it writes to the currently existing file if it's already there, yes |
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| 19:44.16 | humbolt | jelly: but it does not tell it, to transfer even files, that are already there?! |
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| 19:44.52 | jelly | humbolt: "--inplace" doesn't change rsync choice to copy the files or not, at all |
| 19:44.52 | orzo | hello, i've not installed debian from an install disk in a while. I have a situation where an older laptop has windows only on it, and i want to install a dual boot. Does a debian install disk have everything i need? |
| 19:44.58 | webPragmatist | anyone know how to get the bacula mysql user password? |
| 19:45.08 | jelly | humbolt: it only affects the way it does the writing. |
| 19:45.17 | MariachiAC | please advize http://pastebin.com/m1ed15e45 |
| 19:45.30 | jelly | humbolt: that's why I said it's not relevant to your problem |
| 19:46.09 | humbolt | jelly: still want to understand, what it does? |
| 19:46.27 | humbolt | jelly: I read up on your shell script. Seems perfect. |
| 19:46.59 | humbolt | jelly: how can I do the same for permissions, owners and groups? |
| 19:47.19 | jelly | humbolt: chmod and chown also have --reference |
| 19:47.49 | humbolt | jelly: rsync does the "times"-trick for dirs by itself, right? don't have to worry about that, or do I? |
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| 19:49.09 | jelly | humbolt: think about it... if it changes times/permissions/ownerships on directories themselves, will it take any relevant time? Does it actually copy anything? |
| 19:49.09 | webPragmatist | anyone use bacula? |
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| 19:49.54 | exes | g00dtimes and pistache: I've got it working now... bind9 doesn't start until well after the interfaces are brought up, which is the nameserver for my box, so using the IP address solved my issue |
| 19:50.27 | jelly | humbolt: I guess you've figured out to remove the "echo " part if you want to actually make that command do anything :-> |
| 19:50.38 | orzo | Will the debian install cd or dvd let me resize my windows partition and install debian in a new partition without overwriting windows? |
| 19:51.01 | exes | g00dtimes and pistache: thank you for your help |
| 19:51.02 | orzo | or should i be sure to get a live cd that will let me do that preparation |
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| 19:53.37 | OldParr | jelly: thanks |
| 19:53.43 | humbolt | jelly: I figured that. But now I am sure, thanks. |
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| 19:55.59 | OldParr | orzo: must of open source O.S. do it, isuppose debian will do it too |
| 19:57.03 | tobago | jelly, the http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/lenny-custom-0116.iso with kernel 2.6.30 didn't work for my card. it also couldn't detect my card. |
| 19:58.19 | humbolt | jelly: all on track now, thanks a lot! |
| 19:59.32 | orzo | OldParr: the howto (http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm) assumes the resize is already done. So i'm skeptical of debians install |
| 20:00.45 | OldParr | orzo: boot from a live cd and rezise it with gparted |
| 20:01.03 | orzo | OldParr: ok, so now i need two cds |
| 20:01.37 | OldParr | i am totally newbie in debian ask to the channel |
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| 20:09.16 | jelly | orzo: read the official release notes. They'll say what the current installer can and cannot do. |
| 20:09.38 | jelly | !release notes |
| 20:09.38 | humbolt | jelly, one question I still have. Since rsync started to overwrite files, which were already there and I stopped that retransfer somewhere in the middle, now with the --inplace option in place, do I have to fear data corruption? |
| 20:09.38 | dpkg | from memory, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 20:11.24 | jelly | humbolt: eh, do a md5sum or sha1sum on the source and destination files if you're afraid of that |
| 20:12.08 | humbolt | jelly: 3TB video data |
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| 20:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell orzo -about cd contents |
| 20:12.38 | humbolt | jelly: I currently do that on one of the files, where I know this happened. |
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| 20:13.35 | jelly | humbolt: wait for the rsync to finish though, you're just making the disks seek too much and slowing things down otherwise |
| 20:13.55 | humbolt | jelly: yes, I can see that |
| 20:14.07 | humbolt | just for the one file, I'll do it still |
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| 20:14.16 | jelly | suspend rsync then |
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| 20:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, hmpf, seems that only searches for the .deb content |
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| 20:15.16 | jelly | humbolt: or make the disks suffer and both checksumming and rsync slower that they'd be otherwise, I don't mind! |
| 20:15.40 | humbolt | jelly: crtl+z should do the trick |
| 20:16.15 | humbolt | I love this channel! |
| 20:16.18 | jelly | humbolt: if you're going to do this often on ntfs disks, perhaps invest in the ntfs-3g author commercial kernel drivers which are supposedly much faster |
| 20:16.54 | jelly | (if the copying is visibly slower than native disk/raid array speed) |
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| 20:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, but here: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apcs05.html.en "partman [...] can also resize partitions" ... why don't you just try where the installer takes you? |
| 20:17.16 | humbolt | jelly: I know they are available for MAC OSX, did not know, commercial drivers are available for Linux too. |
| 20:17.36 | p3rror | what is best distrib for laptop ? |
| 20:17.52 | p3rror | debian or ubuntu ? |
| 20:17.57 | humbolt | jelly: surprisingly the speed degrades over time on "cp -a" |
| 20:17.57 | jelly | p3rror: you're in #debian... what do you think the answer will be? |
| 20:18.00 | zleap | i am running 9.04 (not remix) on my dell 10 |
| 20:18.09 | zleap | but debian will work fine, |
| 20:18.13 | p3rror | jelly, :D |
| 20:18.23 | humbolt | jelly: a trick to force us towards the commercial driver? |
| 20:18.38 | p3rror | i've debian on my office desktop, and servers and at home :) |
| 20:18.40 | edju | Anyone w/ a pointer to how to use resolvconf (other than the man page)? |
| 20:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | p3rror, GeeXBoX, obviously |
| 20:18.41 | jelly | humbolt: I get 10% off any referral! :-D |
| 20:18.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, oh, sorry :) |
| 20:19.12 | p3rror | And i run debian 6 years ago :) |
| 20:19.14 | humbolt | jelly: You deserve it! |
| 20:19.31 | web1109 | is hostname.local advertised at all on the network? like netbios? Can I resolve hostname.local if I have the IP address? private lan off the internet |
| 20:19.33 | jelly | p3rror: the upcoming Jellynux will be BEST |
| 20:19.37 | jelly | !best |
| 20:19.38 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:20.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, and I thought CrunchBang was from you |
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| 20:21.10 | jelly | ssh |
| 20:21.40 | jelly | (that's an onomatopoeia, not, you know, ess ess eitch) |
| 20:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ess ess etch? |
| 20:23.09 | prince_jammys | ssecure sshell |
| 20:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | secure hell? |
| 20:23.48 | simonrvn | ssh |
| 20:23.56 | jelly | it's oh so still |
| 20:24.20 | tuvyz | wtH.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561124 |
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| 20:26.47 | jelly | tuvyz: welcome to debian-legal. We break software at the expense of our users. |
| 20:27.59 | tuvyz | jelly: i understand that now |
| 20:28.19 | simonrvn | !dbugs 561124 |
| 20:28.23 | dpkg | #561124:I[net-snmp] net-snmp: speaks of snmp-mibs-downloader which isn't found anywhere (); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:42:02 UTC [] |
| 20:29.14 | simonrvn | "wah! the RFCs are non-DFSG free therefore they can't be packaged in main!" |
| 20:29.35 | jelly | tuvyz: some people forget the users bit in "4. Our priorities are our users and free software"of http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 20:29.39 | simonrvn | of course the rfcs contain the mibs, so .... |
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| 20:30.34 | jelly | simonrvn: I foresee a huge flame thread in d-legal! |
| 20:30.42 | jelly | Film at 11. |
| 20:31.14 | simonrvn | film posted on youtube at 11:30 |
| 20:31.24 | newsense | yesterday i noticed when i ran rtorrent almost all my free memory gets used up but when i look in top it seems it isn't really using that much ram and when i exit rtorrent my ram is not freed it seems |
| 20:31.47 | alcohol | newsense: used up, or cached? |
| 20:31.49 | newsense | now i see the same thing happen when i just unrared an archive |
| 20:32.06 | newsense | alcohol: hmmm |
| 20:32.21 | jelly | simonrvn: I need a torrent rss feed thingy to download it automatically |
| 20:32.38 | newsense | alcohol: used as far as free -m is concerned |
| 20:32.43 | jelly | !free |
| 20:32.43 | dpkg | it has been said that free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
| 20:32.51 | jelly | !free ram |
| 20:32.51 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 20:33.10 | themill | jelly: we can't break licences on some software and also complain when other people break licences on our own software (e.g. busybox). It cuts both ways. |
| 20:33.24 | jelly | newsense: read the 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache' bit |
| 20:33.37 | jelly | themill: we can also be pragmatic. |
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| 20:33.53 | newsense | jelly: that's good information and all but not helping me figure out why i am out over a gig of ram and nothing is using it |
| 20:33.56 | themill | jelly: I missed the part where pragmatism was mentioned in copyright law. |
| 20:34.22 | newsense | i only got 46mb free out of 1771mb |
| 20:34.31 | jelly | themill: I missed the part where one wasn't really supposed to do useful things with an OS |
| 20:34.56 | newsense | seems the only way i can free up the ram is to reboot which is no solution |
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| 20:35.48 | jelly | newsense: so, free + buffers + cache =47MB? |
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| 20:36.39 | alcohol | wow, what does consolekit daemon belong too? I see like a dozen threads of it |
| 20:36.45 | newsense | jelly: no |
| 20:37.03 | jelly | newsense: how much is the combined value then? |
| 20:37.35 | newsense | jelly: i guess it makes sense now but why did most of my ram move from free to cached ? |
| 20:37.54 | jelly | newsense: because files were being read or written in the meantime. |
| 20:38.16 | alcohol | newsense: dude, caching > free. free is wasted ram. caching is used to your benefit |
| 20:39.03 | newsense | ok guess i misunderstood the whole free/cached thing |
| 20:39.17 | newsense | makes sense now |
| 20:39.40 | jelly | also, you suddenly gained lots of free ram. |
| 20:40.00 | jelly | !win newsense |
| 20:40.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, newsense! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 20:40.18 | newsense | cool never been there |
| 20:40.38 | newsense | hey if i ask more stupid questions do i get upgraded to first class ? |
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| 20:41.09 | jelly | there are no stupid questions |
| 20:41.12 | newsense | should used/buffered/cached equal total ram ? |
| 20:41.53 | alcohol | :< |
| 20:41.58 | alcohol | you make sad panda sad |
| 20:42.13 | Armageddon | !help |
| 20:42.34 | Armageddon | !apt |
| 20:42.35 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 20:43.00 | alcohol | newsense: try something like htop to give you a nice graphical representation of ram usage |
| 20:43.19 | newsense | it's too bright for my eyes |
| 20:43.21 | jelly | newsense: total = used + free |
| 20:43.40 | newsense | someone recommended it before and i almost jumped outta my chair when i ran it |
| 20:43.45 | alcohol | :') |
| 20:43.51 | alcohol | change the color scheme then |
| 20:44.53 | jelly | newsense: used = really-used + shared + buffers + cached |
| 20:45.19 | jelly | please don't ask where "really-used" is shown |
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| 20:45.39 | newsense | one last thing i want to make sure i am clear on, used does not mean something is using that ram recessarily, cached is counted in that total as well ? |
| 20:45.47 | jelly | YES |
| 20:46.17 | newsense | ok great i have this information stored in my memory now, thanks guys ! |
| 20:46.41 | newsense | almost ran out to buy a couple more gigs of ram |
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| 20:46.54 | jelly | you can send them here instead |
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| 20:47.09 | newsense | that 1066mhz ddr2 is expensive |
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| 20:47.49 | newsense | my cpu doesn't even support it but i will upgrade soon to a phenom 2 |
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| 20:50.13 | abrotman | is pretty sure we covered this 'free ram' bit two days ago |
| 20:50.37 | jelly | /nick oldsense, then? |
| 20:50.40 | newsense | abrotman: i had isp issues and was disconnected, yes but we did start but i never got it fully |
| 20:50.46 | alcohol | I imagine it's quite a frequent topic for people switching from windows to nix |
| 20:50.47 | alcohol | :< |
| 20:50.53 | alcohol | or linux |
| 20:51.04 | newsense | isn't one of those same question different day guys |
| 20:51.04 | jelly | alcohol: um... Windows do it pretty much the same way |
| 20:51.26 | alcohol | jelly: but most people using windows think that when lots of ram is used, windows slows down. they go boo-hoo |
| 20:51.36 | jelly | as seen in Process Explorer or similar |
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| 20:51.40 | newsense | now i wonder why my last 40mb of ram is never cached |
| 20:52.06 | alcohol | newsense: ask the kernel |
| 20:52.22 | newsense | key kernel why you don't cahce my 40mb ? |
| 20:52.33 | alcohol | try in your console, thanks |
| 20:52.38 | newsense | oh sorry |
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| 20:53.12 | zleap | newsense, is any ram shared with the video card |
| 20:53.23 | djveer | Can I ask a Squid question here? I know this is a Debian support channel but #Squid doesn't seem to know what my problem is. |
| 20:53.28 | archtangent | can debian use a repository heirarchy? |
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| 20:53.58 | jelly | archtangent: what does that mean? |
| 20:54.02 | archtangent | I am getting failures in the net install and was wondering if I could make it cascade to the next mirror if one fails for a package |
| 20:54.06 | newsense | zleap: indeed it is, 256mb |
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| 20:54.34 | zleap | hmm, so its not as if its only cacheing ram |
| 20:54.50 | zleap | as that way it would be not be caching the 256 |
| 20:55.04 | zleap | so its not caching 40 mg of your ram right |
| 20:55.13 | newsense | zleap: 41mb to be exact |
| 20:55.34 | zleap | hmm |
| 20:55.41 | zleap | dunno then iit was just an idea |
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| 20:56.06 | archtangent | jelly: does that make sense? |
| 20:56.17 | archtangent | "this is tangentcollision by the way) |
| 20:56.38 | jelly | archtangent: as an idea, yes, a lot, but I don't think apt does that in a general case. |
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| 20:57.00 | newsense | zleap: hmm thought i was sharing 256mb ram but nvidia-settings says it's 512 |
| 20:57.01 | newsense | not that matters i'm sure |
| 20:57.30 | archtangent | jelly: it just seems to be a problem when I'm trying to install a bunch of things with dependancies |
| 20:57.35 | jelly | archtangent: I _think_ if tries the next source iff the first host is completely unreachable though |
| 20:57.52 | jelly | archtangent: but the best mirror first in sources.list, eh :-| |
| 20:58.02 | jelly | s/but/put/ |
| 20:58.04 | archtangent | the dependancies may be out of date or non-existant on the server it's using, then it goes to the next one kind of thing would be nice :P |
| 20:58.39 | jelly | archtangent: or do an "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" first ;-) |
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| 20:58.57 | archtangent | shrug |
| 20:59.09 | archtangent | I guess I'll just have to roll with it |
| 20:59.10 | edju | I want to change the nameserver using resolvconf, but can't figure out how. google gets me how to edit /etc/resolv.conf, which is not what I want. Any pointers? |
| 20:59.26 | archtangent | I haven't used debian since ... etch came out |
| 20:59.29 | themill | edju: /msg dpkg override dns |
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| 21:05.47 | archtangent | okay, so I've been "preparing linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 for awhile now...what gives? |
| 21:08.32 | alcohol | slow computer? |
| 21:08.32 | alcohol | =D |
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| 21:10.18 | campassi | any reason why iceweasel isn't updated a little more in lenny ? |
| 21:10.37 | alcohol | lenny is stable |
| 21:10.41 | alcohol | only security updates |
| 21:10.48 | alcohol | use backports |
| 21:10.52 | campassi | a security update would mean upgrading to 3.5 |
| 21:11.00 | campassi | 3.0.6 is a security problem in itself |
| 21:11.11 | alcohol | you so funneh |
| 21:11.16 | alcohol | :< |
| 21:11.27 | themill | campassi: which specific CVEs are not addressed? |
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| 21:13.36 | abrotman | themill: stop with the logic! |
| 21:13.37 | campassi | themill http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox35.html |
| 21:13.48 | abrotman | campassi: wrong .. |
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| 21:14.08 | campassi | http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox30.html |
| 21:14.14 | abrotman | wrong! |
| 21:14.20 | campassi | why might that be? |
| 21:14.22 | abrotman | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2007-1970 |
| 21:14.25 | abrotman | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-0777 |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | should i skip xulrunner? |
| 21:15.07 | abrotman | campassi: the version that mozilla uses has nothing to do with the version number that Debian uses .. Debian backports numerous fixes .. see http://security.debian.org/ |
| 21:15.31 | themill | campassi: /msg dpkg security backports |
| 21:16.28 | campassi | i notice on your links abrotman, it is listed that in iceweasel 3.5.x, a vuln is fixed, where in 3.0.6, it is not |
| 21:16.40 | abrotman | and? it's a minor issue |
| 21:16.51 | abrotman | provide the fix for the security team |
| 21:17.21 | campassi | and... most people use a browser more than any other program. i'm simply wondering why it's not kept up to date |
| 21:17.45 | abrotman | it is |
| 21:17.45 | themill | campassi: it has been for serious security things. The odd minor thing is ignored. |
| 21:17.46 | alcohol | campassi: dude, learn about the debian release cycles and stop complaining :< |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | you pointed out two invalid links .. which we told you that you were wrong |
| 21:18.08 | alcohol | campassi: use backports if you want a newer iceweasel |
| 21:18.22 | themill | campassi: you're still yet to provide CVE numbers for these issues that you are so worried about. |
| 21:18.40 | abrotman | campassi: did you actually read the two vulns listed ? |
| 21:19.04 | Titan8990 | IMO there is nothing wrong with installing upstream firefox to /opt, although I rarely use firefox/iceweasel |
| 21:19.19 | campassi | firefox needs a repo |
| 21:19.22 | abrotman | that's a totally different debate |
| 21:19.23 | campassi | that'd solve it |
| 21:19.28 | alcohol | campassi: lolz |
| 21:19.29 | alcohol | :< |
| 21:19.32 | abrotman | campassi: then tell mozilla to create one .. Debian is not Mozilla |
| 21:19.51 | Titan8990 | right, and mozilla has a bad history with debian |
| 21:19.52 | campassi | i can't wait for chrome to get going well. they've got a repo. :-D |
| 21:20.13 | abrotman | so does opera ... |
| 21:20.27 | Titan8990 | I use chrome for most things, except it doesn't render my DDWRT web GUI properly, in which case i use opera |
| 21:20.29 | themill | campassi: s/links/link/ many similar, known vulnerabilities exist in 3.5 too |
| 21:20.32 | campassi | yeah, but opera su*** |
| 21:20.39 | abrotman | not as bad as FF |
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| 21:20.50 | abrotman | or actually, gecko is to blame |
| 21:20.53 | campassi | true, but at least flash and java work without hours of hacking in ff |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | uhm .. they work fine in opera .. you're not doing it right |
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| 21:21.16 | armageddon | how do I stop debian from beeping on each command I make ? |
| 21:21.23 | abrotman | !tell armageddon about bell |
| 21:21.28 | Titan8990 | campassi: i setup flash and java for iceweasel, and it just worked when I installed opera |
| 21:21.35 | Titan8990 | campassi: nothing different or special is needed |
| 21:21.43 | campassi | oh yeah? |
| 21:21.48 | zepard | notices gently that opera is closed source |
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| 21:21.57 | techsupport | SQL ERROR [ mysqli ] |
| 21:21.57 | techsupport | Out of memory (Needed 1048544 bytes) [5] |
| 21:22.03 | techsupport | can someone help me with this error please ? |
| 21:22.30 | alcohol | uh |
| 21:22.31 | niklaswe | armagedo: juft modprpbe -r pcspkr |
| 21:22.36 | Titan8990 | techsupport: hate to ask the obvious, but is your machine out of memory? |
| 21:22.42 | alcohol | techsupport: sure, google for a webshop that sells ram |
| 21:22.53 | Titan8990 | niklaswe: thats temporary, i would recommend adding it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 21:23.45 | techsupport | Titan8990, its a VPS with 1.5 GB ram, today is a special day - a very unusual high number of traffic |
| 21:23.54 | niklaswe | titan yes it is. or put that on rc.local |
| 21:24.04 | Titan8990 | niklaswe: debian does not use rc.local |
| 21:24.06 | armageddon | in which directory do I issue that command ? |
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| 21:25.02 | Titan8990 | techsupport: ask your VPS provider for more memory or swap space, if that is actually the case |
| 21:25.16 | campassi | wow.. titan8990 flash and java do work. it sure didn't last time. hmm. :-D |
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| 21:26.25 | campassi | i like it more already. :-) |
| 21:26.51 | niklaswe | Titan8990: I using it in debian |
| 21:26.55 | naquad | is there any way to manually remove package? |
| 21:27.21 | naquad | stupid vsftpd doesn't want to apt-get remove --purge (dpkg -r either) |
| 21:27.25 | campassi | dpkg -l | grep whatever; dpkr -r whatever_package_name |
| 21:27.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep whatever; dpkr -r whatever_package_name |
| 21:27.39 | petemc | techsupport: you can create a file with dd and use that as swap |
| 21:28.00 | Titan8990 | petemc: thats interesting, will have to look that up |
| 21:28.02 | techsupport | petemc, my server is so overwhelmed right now i can't even ssh to it |
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| 21:28.37 | nsadmin | just replaced his mobo on his desktop... not so sure that was a good idea... but... I have a different video card now |
| 21:28.39 | Titan8990 | techsupport: your VPS provider doesn't offer a serial console? |
| 21:28.43 | Elshar_ | Hey, is there a debian equivalent of freshports.org to see what packages have been newly updated/added to the apt repositories? |
| 21:28.54 | petemc | techsupport: probably the linux kernel will kill off some processes and you'll get into it at some point |
| 21:29.41 | nsadmin | judd pciid 1002:791e |
| 21:29.58 | nsadmin | could someone look that up please :) |
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| 21:30.30 | newsense | RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 21:30.37 | newsense | nsadmin: ^ |
| 21:30.48 | nsadmin | what x driver for that? |
| 21:30.51 | newsense | don't see a driver listed on the page |
| 21:30.59 | nsadmin | uh oh |
| 21:31.04 | newsense | checked kmuto |
| 21:32.23 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: that is supported by fglrx |
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| 21:33.20 | nsadmin | Titan8990 how do I get that? |
| 21:33.43 | armageddon | Titan8990: the line should be blacklist pcspkr ? |
| 21:34.05 | Titan8990 | armageddon: yes, for lenny |
| 21:34.14 | Armageddon | Titan8990: for squeeze ? |
| 21:34.16 | Titan8990 | !tell nsadmin about fglrx one-liner |
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| 21:34.37 | Titan8990 | Armageddon: no idea, i assume its the same but I saw indication that it is a different driver with > 2.6.26 |
| 21:35.29 | Armageddon | I installed debian freshly on my laptop, no updates, my wireless and bluetooth do not work, even though they are mentioned under hardware profiler and benchmark, what are my options ? |
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| 21:36.01 | Titan8990 | Armageddon: use the release that is supported by the most of the community? |
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| 21:37.50 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: i was just looking at the one-liner. You can use `aticonfig --initial` instead of manually configuring xorg.conf as suggested by the factoid |
| 21:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Armageddon, /msg dpkg wireless /msg dpkg bluetooth |
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| 21:38.45 | dmacks | Are there any packages that have a GUI calculator tool that can display/manipulate fractions? |
| 21:40.00 | Titan8990 | emacs? :) |
| 21:40.20 | dmacks | That'd be great! What mode/how to do it? |
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| 21:40.56 | nsadmin | couldn't find the kernel headers for my kernel |
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| 21:41.15 | nsadmin | my kernel is... |
| 21:41.16 | abrotman | nsadmin: and your kernel is ? |
| 21:41.22 | chomwitt | how can i find the kernel version included in the installer of lenny or squueze? |
| 21:41.42 | AimHere | If you can get a command line from the installer, you could 'uname -a' |
| 21:41.53 | nsadmin | aaaAAnnNNNNnnnddddd my kernel is... |
| 21:42.04 | nsadmin | wait for it... |
| 21:42.07 | nsadmin | a lot... |
| 21:42.11 | nsadmin | 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 21:42.16 | chomwitt | AimHere: thanks |
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| 21:42.51 | abrotman | nsadmin: regular headers |
| 21:42.55 | abrotman | thinks |
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| 21:43.09 | nsadmin | for which uname -r? |
| 21:43.24 | nsadmin | 2.6.26-2-amd64? |
| 21:43.47 | abrotman | linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64 |
| 21:43.49 | nsadmin | and then what do I tell m-a? |
| 21:43.52 | abrotman | whoops |
| 21:43.55 | Titan8990 | dmacks: hehe, I'm sure it requires a lot of reading to figure it out. I use it for basic functionality but just did a quick google search to see that it can use and manipulate fractions |
| 21:43.58 | abrotman | close enough .. you get the idea |
| 21:44.05 | Titan8990 | dmacks: M-x calc |
| 21:44.08 | nsadmin | I'm not sure, but I think m-a tried to find that |
| 21:44.40 | nsadmin | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 21:44.47 | zepard | is qmail free ? |
| 21:44.50 | AimHere | dmacks, if you're wanting something full-on and powerful, there's maxima/xmaxima |
| 21:45.03 | nsadmin | zepard: no, she's busy right now... |
| 21:45.24 | zepard | :) |
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| 21:45.47 | abrotman | zepard: it wasn't until recently (and in regard to your opera-not-free thing earlier, mozilla's firefox is not DSFG-free either) |
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| 21:46.01 | zepard | right |
| 21:46.16 | AimHere | Firefox is modifiable into something that IS dfsg-free |
| 21:46.33 | Titan8990 | zepard: IMO, I would consider qmail obsolete. AFAIK qmail can not handle authenticated relay without manually patching the code |
| 21:46.38 | zepard | so is it a matter of time to have buit qmail in packages? |
| 21:46.51 | Titan8990 | zepard: I doubt there is much interest in it |
| 21:46.53 | zepard | Titan8990: didn't know that |
| 21:46.55 | jelly-home | zepard: netqmail perhaps. |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | Titan8990: that's because DJB wouldn't include anything .. that's why you have that patch-o-matic thing |
| 21:47.41 | nsadmin | m-a is crazy :P on one screen it says it found the kernel binary and on anotehr it says it didn't |
| 21:48.09 | nsadmin | zepard: there is the qmail-src package |
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| 21:48.31 | zepard | yes I saw it |
| 21:48.50 | DEbiansqueeze | subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 21:48.51 | nsadmin | so grab that and what it depends on |
| 21:48.56 | DEbiansqueeze | still cant get this |
| 21:49.04 | zepard | thus my question, maybe nott distributable in binarry |
| 21:49.05 | Titan8990 | zepard: or another MTA (recommended) |
| 21:49.06 | jelly-home | zepard: qmail is now as free as it can legally get in USA; "public domain". It could be packaged. Why do you need it? |
| 21:49.33 | zepard | just curious |
| 21:49.52 | zepard | I heard good things about it so... |
| 21:49.57 | Gryfelhase | Hi... I've tryied to compile vanialla 2.6.32.4, but it braught an error about lguest. Anyone with a hint how to solve that ? |
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| 21:50.10 | Gryfelhase | using debian lenny |
| 21:50.15 | nsadmin | it was the case that binaries of qmail were distributable if they were derived from the original source |
| 21:50.20 | naquad | how can i reduce number of ttys? |
| 21:50.25 | nsadmin | which debian alter |
| 21:50.25 | jelly-home | zepard: if you've heard good things about e.g postfix as well, I'd suggest heeding those instead. |
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| 21:50.46 | zepard | yes too |
| 21:50.48 | Titan8990 | Gryfelhase: well... whats the error? why are you compiling a vanilla kernel? |
| 21:51.00 | nsadmin | naquad look at your /etc/inittab |
| 21:51.04 | Gryfelhase | to get better support for my tvcard |
| 21:51.05 | Titan8990 | Gryfelhase: error during compilation? booting? other? |
| 21:51.09 | naquad | nsadmin: thank you |
| 21:51.31 | Titan8990 | Gryfelhase: what about .30 from backports? not new enough? |
| 21:51.31 | jelly-home | zepard: it has an additional plus of being available in debian and not messed with much. |
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| 21:51.39 | DEbiansqueeze | consolekit: Breaks: udev (< 147~) but 0.141-1 is to be installed same thing with hal any ideas im getting ready to wip and reinstall :( |
| 21:51.40 | Gryfelhase | (end?) of compiling using fakeroot make-kpkg... |
| 21:51.44 | zepard | jelly-home: ok |
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| 21:52.15 | nsadmin | emmadently it's emma! |
| 21:52.22 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: have you pastebinned that dpkg -l line I asked some 10 hours ago? |
| 21:52.22 | Gryfelhase | Titan8990, : Have to check for backported 2.6.30on |
| 21:52.25 | Gryfelhase | one |
| 21:52.51 | dmacks | Titan8990: thx |
| 21:52.57 | Titan8990 | Gryfelhase: what? you mean check to see if it has what you needed? what told you to use .32? |
| 21:53.01 | dmacks | AimHere: also thx |
| 21:53.29 | DEbiansqueeze | what is paste bin location?T |
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| 21:54.03 | Gryfelhase | Titan8990, General thoughts, that the latest kernel may have support, while 2.6.28 did not (what I'm using now) |
| 21:54.03 | themill | dpkg: tell DEbiansqueeze about paste |
| 21:54.40 | DEbiansqueeze | http://debian.pastebin.com/m48a5817b |
| 21:55.01 | zepard | cheers |
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| 21:55.11 | emma | nsadminium you are right nsadmin |
| 21:55.37 | nsadmin | i r a element! |
| 21:56.01 | nsadmin | nsadminuminum! |
| 21:56.17 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: are you the same nsadmin who is usually here daily? |
| 21:56.31 | prince_jammys | nsadmineral |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: could you paste the actual error also ? |
| 21:56.52 | DEbiansqueeze | sure |
| 21:56.58 | nsadmin | I'm not just usually here daily... I'm always here daily (irc client in a screen) |
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| 21:57.54 | nsadmin | hey I'm a boat captain too! nsadminrl! |
| 21:58.08 | DEbiansqueeze | done |
| 21:59.04 | xand | o.o |
| 21:59.14 | DEbiansqueeze | more added |
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| 21:59.32 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: paste the url to each pastebin here |
| 21:59.55 | DEbiansqueeze | http://debian.pastebin.com/m361a6e8c |
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| 22:00.32 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: just like i told you HOURS ago .. it tells you how to fix the problem .. read the freaking error |
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| 22:01.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: he can't really fix it without booting a 2.6.32 kernel, which is _not_ available in squeeze yet |
| 22:01.16 | jelly-home | in other words, squeeze is currently broken |
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| 22:01.23 | DEbiansqueeze | great |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm using it just fine .. haven't had this issue |
| 22:01.40 | jelly-home | that's what you subscribed to... "testing", you know |
| 22:01.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: uname -r? |
| 22:01.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: moment |
| 22:02.02 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: same question. uname -r |
| 22:02.15 | newsense | DEbiansqueeze: why not use a kernel from sid ? |
| 22:02.28 | abrotman | why should he? |
| 22:02.34 | nsadmin | you might need siddy stuf to support it |
| 22:02.39 | themill | any kernel >= 2.6.27 should be fine for that version of udev, according to Md |
| 22:02.42 | DEbiansqueeze | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 22:02.49 | abrotman | see |
| 22:03.00 | abrotman | jelly was wrong! |
| 22:03.06 | jelly-home | yay |
| 22:03.14 | abrotman | it still tells him how to do it |
| 22:03.17 | themill | DEbiansqueeze: it's traditional to do an "aptitude full-upgrade" from time to time btw.... |
| 22:03.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: it does NOT say "boot a kernel >= 2.6.27" |
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| 22:03.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: so? it doesn't say "YOU MUST RUN SID TO MAKE THIS WORK!!!" |
| 22:04.11 | DEbiansqueeze | is if it tells me how to fix it its been at your admission 10 hours will you please let me in on it? |
| 22:04.23 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: upgrade the kernel. |
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| 22:04.30 | DEbiansqueeze | wont let me |
| 22:04.38 | DEbiansqueeze | already tried |
| 22:06.09 | DEbiansqueeze | http://debian.pastebin.com/mefcfac3 |
| 22:06.53 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:07.03 | abrotman | and then READ the error message |
| 22:07.15 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:07.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 22:08.56 | jelly-home | so apparently one needs to upgrade hal, udev _and_ the kernel at the same time |
| 22:08.58 | jelly-home | ... |
| 22:09.45 | abrotman | well, the kernel was upgraded *ages* ago |
| 22:10.00 | DEbiansqueeze | well it did somthing |
| 22:10.08 | DEbiansqueeze | not looking good |
| 22:10.08 | themill | being woefully behind on package updates doesn't help in these situations |
| 22:10.47 | abrotman | lacking metapackages doesn't help either |
| 22:11.13 | jelly-home | themill: people doing lenny->squeeze won't be up-to-date either |
| 22:11.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: this was also an issue before etch (?) became stable .. they worked it out before release |
| 22:11.41 | jelly-home | at this point I'd either install 2.6.30 with dpkg, or lie about the hal version installed |
| 22:12.07 | jelly-home | (and by "lie" I mean edit the status file ;-) |
| 22:12.36 | themill | jelly-home: that's an upgrade that is actually handled and all three *would* be upgraded at the same time. |
| 22:12.43 | nsadmin | is the fglrx driver binary only? |
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| 22:12.54 | abrotman | and if he'd had the metapackage installed, he probably wouldn't be in this situation ? |
| 22:12.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: "they" are making dist-upgrades very fragile with every situation like that |
| 22:13.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: it worked before .. go complain to Md .. see how far you get |
| 22:13.21 | abrotman | he's online now! |
| 22:13.23 | jelly-home | themill: yeah, except if there's a power failure or unrelated breakage in the middle |
| 22:13.37 | abrotman | that's always an issue |
| 22:13.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: heh |
| 22:13.41 | chomwitt | netinst images have the same kernel as a debian installer in a cd/dvd ? |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | they should, yes |
| 22:14.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: it _shouldn't_ be an issue, that's what idempotency of scripts is about |
| 22:14.25 | nsadmin | netinst images can be built to have pretty much any kernel |
| 22:14.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: he's available in -devel right now on freenode .. good luck! |
| 22:14.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm not going to argue with an idiot, I prefer yourself |
| 22:14.58 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 22:15.12 | chomwitt | abrotman: thanks |
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| 22:15.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: well, his 'idiocy' enumerates your devices pretty well? |
| 22:15.33 | nsadmin | but usually when all the cd sets are made, the debian cd 1 and netinst are made with the same kernel for consistancy... it's possible there are a coupla choices |
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| 22:17.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: mu |
| 22:17.22 | chomwitt | nsadmin: i was wondering whether since its special tailored for net installation a netinst image would have a more recent kernel recognizing more wireless cards etc |
| 22:17.22 | abrotman | psi! |
| 22:17.59 | nsadmin | chomwitt: there exist some custom netinsts. do you need one now? |
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| 22:19.55 | chomwitt | nsadmin: yes. |
| 22:20.08 | nsadmin | are you running any linux now? |
| 22:20.17 | chomwitt | nsadmin: yes. lenny |
| 22:20.41 | nsadmin | hmm. why do you need an installer? |
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| 22:21.20 | nsadmin | for a different machine? |
| 22:21.43 | chomwitt | i tried to install testing-kde but the installer didnt recognized my atheros wireless |
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| 22:22.23 | nsadmin | so you have lenny, and on the same machine you want to install testing on, you have the atheros? is it working now? |
| 22:22.48 | chomwitt | nsadmin: i use stable but i want to have in another partition a testing to try some things i cant in stable :-) |
| 22:23.06 | nsadmin | oh, you want an -additional- installation |
| 22:23.16 | chomwitt | nsadmin: yes its working now! |
| 22:23.33 | nsadmin | you -could- try debootstrap |
| 22:23.58 | chomwitt | nsadmin: but i tried a lot to find a wireless card to work rigth. |
| 22:24.02 | nsadmin | you won't need any netinsts or anything :) |
| 22:24.23 | chomwitt | nsadmin: do u mean live-cd or sth? |
| 22:24.44 | nsadmin | no, debootstrap installs a debian onto a dir you specify |
| 22:25.09 | chomwitt | nsadmin: i dont know much about that. i must search a little. |
| 22:25.13 | nsadmin | then you can run it as a chroot at least, and maybe you can also arrange to boot it |
| 22:25.23 | DEbiansqueeze | where do i put the linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64_2.6.30-8_amd64.deb if i use dpkg? |
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| 22:26.13 | nsadmin | but one thing is true: if your current kernel supports your atheros now, maybe you can keep the same kernel for your new installation |
| 22:26.47 | nsadmin | and very likely that the newer kernels will work also |
| 22:26.57 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: doesn't matter where, dpkg -i ...deb |
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| 22:27.04 | DEbiansqueeze | ok |
| 22:27.06 | chomwitt | nsadmin: thanks. but debootstap is a new thing to me and i have to study a little. |
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| 22:27.49 | nsadmin | you can install it and read its man page if you want |
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| 22:28.58 | nsadmin | now, if you were to use debootstrap, and you wanted to be able to boot the result, you would mount some partitions somewhere first |
| 22:29.05 | nsadmin | blank ones |
| 22:29.36 | nsadmin | what were you intending to do about disk space when you would have installed from the netinst? |
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| 22:32.05 | chomwitt | nsadmin: i dont understand the disk space issue.. |
| 22:32.31 | nsadmin | oh, were you going to wipe your current installation? |
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| 22:33.09 | nsadmin | so if you would have two different bootable debians, they would need their own partitions |
| 22:33.14 | aixenv | how do i determine the tiem that /etc/cron.daily runs? |
| 22:33.18 | aixenv | *time |
| 22:33.27 | aixenv | someone said syslog but there's no syslog conf |
| 22:33.52 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.02 | DEbiansqueeze | kernel installed now will i have to reboot to the kernel to update udev? |
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| 22:34.34 | zak_ | how to do a deep/complete format in linux ? |
| 22:35.11 | chomwitt | nsadmin: mm, i'm reading about debootstrap.. |
| 22:35.46 | nooper | zak_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd* |
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| 22:36.13 | zak_ | nooper: just want to foramt /dev/sdb1, what is the command |
| 22:36.23 | nsadmin | format it as what? |
| 22:36.56 | nsadmin | unix-like filesystem? raid? lvm? something else? |
| 22:37.17 | nooper | he just wants his cp erased |
| 22:37.57 | nsadmin | How can I determine if I have radeon and radeonhd drivers? |
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| 22:38.47 | nsadmin | or, how can I get radeonhd? |
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| 22:43.59 | zak_ | how to check a partition if it is clean or not ?or even to check for bad superblocks? |
| 22:44.24 | nsadmin | ok, I got an X screen but it's blinking harshly... can I adjust its rate? |
| 22:44.47 | nsadmin | fsck |
| 22:45.05 | nsadmin | FileSystemChecK |
| 22:45.07 | abrotman | nsadmin: loko at your Xorg.0.log |
| 22:45.10 | nsadmin | FileSystemChecK |
| 22:45.17 | nsadmin | fsck |
| 22:46.35 | \amethyst | with ext3 etc you may need to specify fsck -f |
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| 22:46.42 | nsadmin | abrotman: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 22:46.42 | \amethyst | otherwise it will just validate the journal |
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| 22:47.13 | nsadmin | and I no longer have an nvidia; I just swapped mobos (and added lotsa ram) |
| 22:47.38 | armageddon | My Computer lists all the partitions I have, but I can't mount them on clicking on them, is there a way to fix that ? if I use mount <> I can't access them either unless I'm root |
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| 22:48.20 | nsadmin | armageddon: mounting is considered a permanent thing, that's why it's root only |
| 22:48.26 | Tametomo | I'm currently having troubles with an MCP55 ethernet driver for kernel 2.6.33 I've tried the mci=0 mcix=0 and it still doesn't work for me. |
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| 22:49.20 | armageddon | nsadmin: so how do I fix that ? |
| 22:49.26 | zak_ | \amethyst: how can i check my root and home partition ,it says device is busy |
| 22:49.30 | Tametomo | I'm mainly trying to figure out if there's anything else that I could try with the forcedeth kernel module. |
| 22:49.37 | alcohol | how can I perform simple math equations on the console? |
| 22:49.56 | \amethyst | zak_: fsck from a live/rescue/installer CD |
| 22:50.14 | \amethyst | zak_: or shutdown -F -r now to reboot and force a fsck on boot |
| 22:50.15 | zak_ | ok:) |
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| 22:50.26 | zak_ | how to force it ? |
| 22:50.28 | Freelancer | hi |
| 22:50.48 | Tametomo | For that matter, is there a decent network configuration tool that I can use with XFCE. |
| 22:51.02 | \amethyst | zak_: shutdown -F forces it |
| 22:51.24 | \amethyst | zak_: (by creating a /forcefsck file, which the init scripts check for) |
| 22:51.41 | Freelancer | can someone help me with ddclient ? When I do "sudo ddclient" it does nothing and it works ("SUCCESS") when I do "sudo ddclient -force" |
| 22:51.49 | zak_ | aha , okay :) |
| 22:52.11 | alcohol | Freelancer: sudo = ubuntu, #ubuntu |
| 22:52.23 | Freelancer | I'm on debian |
| 22:52.32 | alcohol | stop being silly then :< |
| 22:52.36 | \amethyst | alcohol: what do you mean "sudo = ubuntu"? |
| 22:52.59 | Freelancer | explain me... before I had to have a terminal in su mode... so I installed sudo... is it bad ? |
| 22:53.02 | alcohol | it's not "the debian way" is what I mean |
| 22:53.03 | alcohol | =D |
| 22:53.24 | Tametomo | Alright, so out of curiosity then, if the default forcedeth isn't working for me, is there some other equivalent driver I can try, like nvnet, for example? |
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| 22:53.41 | Arrowmaster | alcohol: yes it is |
| 22:53.54 | alcohol | orly |
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| 22:54.00 | alcohol | I guess I must not be using debian then |
| 22:54.03 | alcohol | cause I have no sudo |
| 22:54.04 | alcohol | :< |
| 22:54.05 | abrotman | alcohol: sudo is not configured by default on Debian like it is on ubuntu .. |
| 22:54.12 | Tametomo | Maybe I'll try that, but if I'm supposed to use forcedeth, will that work? As in, is it a fairly close driver? |
| 22:54.16 | alcohol | not configured? more like not installed. |
| 22:54.28 | \amethyst | alcohol: by that argument, using Apache as a web server is not the debian way |
| 22:54.28 | armageddon | alcohol: actually on lenny it is installed by default |
| 22:54.38 | zak_ | \amethyst: what does '' (13.2% non-contiguous)'' mean ?/dev/sda4: 20341/8478720 files (13.2% non-contiguous), 31240462/33897150 blocks |
| 22:54.39 | abrotman | armageddon: no, it's not |
| 22:54.43 | \amethyst | armageddon: as part of the Desktop task |
| 22:54.48 | Arrowmaster | depending on what you select during the installer it can be installed by default |
| 22:54.51 | abrotman | armageddon: i've got tons of machines without sudo |
| 22:54.54 | armageddon | well, I installed debian and I have it |
| 22:55.05 | \amethyst | zak_: fragmentation |
| 22:55.09 | armageddon | and I did NOT install it seperately |
| 22:55.12 | \amethyst | zak_: 13.2% of your files are fragmented |
| 22:55.15 | Tametomo | Yeah, I don't use sudo myself. Still debate whether it's better or not that way security-wise. |
| 22:55.17 | zak_ | so is it clean ? |
| 22:55.17 | Freelancer | ok but the thing is that, first of all on debian I must do almost everything in sudo (it's not a problem for me, but it's weird, isn't it?) and I still have a problem with ddclient :S |
| 22:55.20 | \amethyst | armageddon: You selected the Desktop task? |
| 22:55.33 | armageddon | and the laptop one yes |
| 22:55.41 | \amethyst | zak_: did it go through the "Pass 1", "Pass 2", etc before that? |
| 22:55.47 | zak_ | yes |
| 22:55.53 | \amethyst | zak_: then it's clean |
| 22:55.57 | Tametomo | Since sudo, if you're using it the way it's intended to be used (not the Ubuntu way), could make it so that you're giving out finer grained permissions |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | \amethyst: but that's because Desktop installs gnome and gnome uses gksudo or whatever it is now .. i'd imagine that if you used the LXDE install and chose desktop, you'd not have it ? |
| 22:55.59 | zak_ | and no error mesage :) |
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| 22:56.20 | zak_ | is it something good that some of my files are fragmented ? |
| 22:56.22 | Arrowmaster | if you tell the installer not to allow root login it will install sudo and create a user with full sudo access |
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| 22:56.37 | alcohol | the installer never asked me said question |
| 22:56.47 | alcohol | expert mode? |
| 22:56.48 | Arrowmaster | its an expert question |
| 22:56.51 | alcohol | aha |
| 22:56.52 | nsadmin | hmm. X -configure segfaults |
| 22:57.09 | alcohol | never tried that, maybe I should next time |
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| 22:57.13 | alcohol | saturday perhaps. |
| 22:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so only 'experts' need sudo? |
| 22:58.18 | alcohol | no, only people who disallow root login |
| 22:58.32 | \amethyst | abrotman: Well, LXDE would pull in gdm by default, which would pull in gksu, which would pull in sudo |
| 22:58.37 | armageddon | CutMeOwnThroat: only in expert mode you get to choose if you want to install it or not (taking the fact that you will know) |
| 22:58.56 | Freelancer | I would have a lot of questions about sudo and root login, but before, do you have an idea for ddclient ? |
| 22:59.01 | armageddon | CutMeOwnThroat: for example I did not know that it gets installed if I choose desktop ! |
| 22:59.03 | llutz | without sudo, try giving someone limited root-access without giving root-password |
| 22:59.03 | Freelancer | why does it need the "force" option ? |
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| 22:59.22 | nsadmin | is the default to not do that? |
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| 22:59.39 | \amethyst | llutz: you could use ssh-to-root with keys |
| 22:59.41 | armageddon | llutz: you can not add him to the sudoers' list :) |
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| 23:00.12 | Arrowmaster | \amethyst: that is not limited root access |
| 23:00.15 | llutz | \amethyst: thats full roo-access, not limited |
| 23:00.26 | \amethyst | not if you use forced commands |
| 23:00.42 | armageddon | why is there a fight over the sudo command ? |
| 23:00.50 | alcohol | Freelancer: the only thing force does is "force an update, even if it is not neccesary", default is noforce |
| 23:00.52 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 23:01.12 | Arrowmaster | that would be extremely unfriendly since you would need to use a different ssh key for every command and would not be able to specify any arguments |
| 23:01.31 | llutz | anyway, sudo was usefull long before *buntu came up, and still is |
| 23:01.32 | alcohol | Freelancer: perhaps it falsly assumes the update is not neccesary? |
| 23:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | armageddon, duh, if you choose to install the desktop task, root will be created passwordless? |
| 23:02.10 | Freelancer | alcohol wait a min :D, I have to check it |
| 23:02.17 | Arrowmaster | right, pretty much 99% of multiuser installations have it i would guess |
| 23:02.38 | alcohol | i fall under 1% |
| 23:02.39 | alcohol | :< |
| 23:02.46 | Tametomo | Ok, not to try to derail things, just curious if there's some other things that I could try with my MCP55 and the forcedeth module. |
| 23:02.54 | careta | hey guys, just a confirmation, Sun Java System Web Server is not available on Debian repositories right? |
| 23:03.20 | Freelancer | alcohol > no, if I change my ip on dyndns.org, and run sudo ddclient, it does nothing |
| 23:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | llutz, depends on what "limited root access is" there _is_ a suid flag for files... |
| 23:03.33 | Tametomo | sun-java6 is. Try searching in synaptic using sun as a keyword, and see if it is. |
| 23:03.39 | alcohol | Freelancer: perhaps config is bad? |
| 23:03.57 | Tametomo | I can check against my cached version, but still need to figure out how to get my network up and running. |
| 23:04.34 | \amethyst | careta: not that I know of, no |
| 23:04.44 | alcohol | Freelancer: try using verbose/debug and foreground options. see what it is doing |
| 23:04.55 | careta | thanks |
| 23:05.01 | alcohol | Freelancer: they are -debug, -verbose and -foreground :P |
| 23:05.10 | Tametomo | yeah, I don't think it is careta |
| 23:06.06 | Tametomo | Oh, also, I'm on Sid, if you didn't get that from me mentioning I'm using 2.6.33 |
| 23:06.41 | alcohol | is there a netinstall for unstable? |
| 23:06.52 | Freelancer | alcohol > -verbose does nothing more, -foreground does not exist, -debug does nothing, too |
| 23:07.13 | alcohol | Freelancer: uh, -foreground should exist? unless your version is older than the one I found on sourceforge :< |
| 23:07.24 | \amethyst | */1 does work in vixie cron, but it's the same as * |
| 23:07.26 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:07.58 | Freelancer | alcohol 3.7.3-4.2 |
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| 23:08.43 | alcohol | -debug really should exist :< |
| 23:09.20 | alcohol | though it probably logs to syslog since that is default |
| 23:09.22 | alcohol | did you check it? |
| 23:10.18 | Freelancer | alcohol > what is the file for logs ? the cache file ? |
| 23:11.24 | Freelancer | alcohol > I just tried verbose and debug after having changed "syslog=yes" in "syslog=no" in the config file, and it is the same |
| 23:12.16 | alcohol | ): |
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| 23:13.51 | alcohol | did you check if syslog logged anything before though? |
| 23:15.11 | alcohol | -foreground was added in r113 |
| 23:15.57 | Freelancer | alcohol > I don't know where's the log |
| 23:16.03 | alcohol | /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:16.53 | careta | hey guys if I use a ubuntu deb (in this case for skype) can I be sure it that purging it completely removes every trace of that skype crap from my system? |
| 23:17.20 | armageddon | I'm upgrading to squeeze, it needs around 1.2GB of downloads, can I download that under intervals of time ? |
| 23:17.31 | alcohol | 1.2gb? |
| 23:17.35 | alcohol | holy crapz :< |
| 23:17.46 | armageddon | on a 15KB/s connection |
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| 23:18.15 | alcohol | well |
| 23:18.30 | alcohol | if you just interrupt the download process and install the next day, it usually resumes right about where it was |
| 23:18.31 | armageddon | does it affect anything if I stop the download from time to time ? |
| 23:18.49 | armageddon | alcohol: yes but in here there are gnome modules, and kernel and stuff |
| 23:18.49 | alcohol | or at least, that was my impression |
| 23:18.50 | Freelancer | alcohol > I can see a "skipped: IP address was already set to 92.105.222.37." |
| 23:18.57 | armageddon | what if a package is downloaded and another is not |
| 23:19.01 | armageddon | yet |
| 23:19.01 | Freelancer | alcohol > but I had changed the ip on the config on dyndns.org |
| 23:19.04 | Arrowmaster | careta: if its an official ubuntu deb it might, if its package by skype or somebody youve got no guaranty, they could have forgotten something in the remove hooks and are too lazy to check |
| 23:19.10 | armageddon | will it get affected ? |
| 23:19.15 | alcohol | armageddon: it doesn't install untill everything is downloaded.. |
| 23:19.32 | armageddon | so should I use ignore or not ignore when it asks ? |
| 23:19.34 | Freelancer | alcohol > is there a cache ? Can I deactivate it ? |
| 23:19.37 | alcohol | armageddon: what I meant was, if you do upgrade now, abort, upgrade again tomorrow, it continues |
| 23:19.45 | armageddon | I know that |
| 23:19.53 | alcohol | Freelancer: I do not know |
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| 23:19.58 | armageddon | but does it install already downloaded stuff? |
| 23:20.00 | alcohol | no |
| 23:20.18 | Arrowmaster | it will once its done downloading everything |
| 23:20.18 | armageddon | when it asks if I want to ignore or not, should I say no ? |
| 23:20.24 | careta | Arrowmaster, yes it is a skype package... oh well I'll hope for the best, i'll never install crap debs anymore |
| 23:20.32 | alcohol | armageddon: why would it ask that? |
| 23:20.40 | armageddon | using synaptic |
| 23:21.02 | alcohol | armageddon: I don't know, I don't have X. but I assume it pretty much works with aptitude? |
| 23:21.39 | armageddon | well I'm using synaptic just cause I wanted to install some wireless firmwares |
| 23:21.48 | Arrowmaster | careta: yeah the information on what needs purged is in the package, if thats not correct it wont get it all, additionally when stuff creates files in a users home dir ive never seen that removed by purge |
| 23:22.01 | armageddon | guess I can download those later :/ |
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| 23:22.12 | alcohol | I confused here now? :< |
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| 23:22.59 | armageddon | alcohol: did I confuse you ? |
| 23:23.01 | careta | omg now this skype crap just stopped working with squeeze amd64 |
| 23:23.11 | ITXpander | guys is there a repo for more up to date IDE's? such as eclipse or netbeans? |
| 23:23.12 | alcohol | omg |
| 23:23.16 | alcohol | it's time for bed for me |
| 23:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | armageddon, everything is downloaded into /var/cache/apt/archives/partial, then moved from there to .. when the download of a package is finished, the install begins when everything is downloaded |
| 23:23.16 | alcohol | =D |
| 23:23.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | armageddon, that should be pretty failsafe on interrupting... |
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| 23:23.39 | armageddon | CutMeOwnThroat: good to know |
| 23:23.43 | armageddon | I hate this connection |
| 23:24.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Armageddon, also, it of course checks if a package is already present in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and only downloads those that are not |
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| 23:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Armageddon, of course, if you take to long, packages in squeeze will have changed and you start over on those |
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| 23:25.45 | Armageddon | CutMeOwnThroat: in a week time ? |
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| 23:26.09 | Arrowmaster | ITXpander: if you are using lenny try backports.org |
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| 23:26.33 | ITXpander | Arrowmaster: im on testing/unstable |
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| 23:27.55 | nsadmin | once I hated dselect because it wouldn't let me do what I wanted... now aptitude isn't letting me do what I want PLUS it wants to -install- things when I ONLY want to remove things |
| 23:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/to/too/ |
| 23:28.12 | nsadmin | I don't hate aptitude. |
| 23:28.14 | nsadmin | yet. |
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| 23:28.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that a bit unfair towards dselect? |
| 23:29.16 | nsadmin | oh, I despise dselect. seriously. |
| 23:29.29 | Arrowmaster | i dont think ive used dselect since maybe woody, but i dont think i liked it either |
| 23:29.30 | ITXpander | Arrowmaster: no luck, thx for the sugestion anyways |
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| 23:30.28 | nsadmin | I'm in this dependency resolution phase where it's trying to "fix" things for me, by vetoing what I am choosing... |
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| 23:30.33 | nsadmin | that will cause me to hate |
| 23:31.18 | Arrowmaster | well you could mess with apt pinning to temporary force it to never consider installing certain things |
| 23:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ITXpander, the only thing possibly newer than unstable is experimental... /msg dpkg experimental |
| 23:31.49 | nsadmin | I just want it to not install stuff when I'm asking to remove stuff... |
| 23:32.29 | nsadmin | and not keep me in a loop without letting me decide |
| 23:32.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's doing that because it needs to fulfill some dependency? |
| 23:32.41 | nsadmin | probably |
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| 23:32.54 | ITXpander | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.55 | nsadmin | then it should go to the dependency and let me purge that too |
| 23:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | try aptitude why something |
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| 23:33.04 | Arrowmaster | random guess youve got a package that requires it or an alternative to it that is not marked as automatically installed so it will not remove that package |
| 23:33.15 | Armageddon | when I try to mount the partitions from Computer it says Invalid mount options, how do I fix that ? |
| 23:33.22 | nsadmin | I'm in the ui of aptitude at the moment |
| 23:34.00 | nsadmin | Arrowmaster: right, it's picking up these alternatives including kernels that I do -not- want to run |
| 23:34.10 | Arrowmaster | i cant remember how but you can enable the why stuff inside of the ui |
| 23:34.22 | nsadmin | I'll keep looking |
| 23:35.05 | nsadmin | it's saying "suggest 4 installs" and I want to say NO |
| 23:35.08 | Arrowmaster | try 'display tabs for the information area' |
| 23:35.18 | Arrowmaster | why should be one of them |
| 23:35.19 | nsadmin | ok |
| 23:35.32 | Arrowmaster | and no i dont remember how to change tabs |
| 23:35.40 | themill | dpkg: tell nsadmin about aptitude docs |
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| 23:46.51 | careta | where can I search for ITP's? |
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| 23:47.29 | themill | !wnpp |
| 23:47.29 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 23:48.01 | careta | thanks |
| 23:48.11 | nsadmin | tbere, I canceled pendings, then tried again, littler pieces, it's getting there |
| 23:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | between lam and openmpi, is/are there (a) reason(s) to prefer one over the other? |
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| 23:55.02 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:59.56 | Freelancer | how to add a service to the boot things on debian ? I want inadyn to start with my computer |