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| 00:00.27 | nsadmin | ok, that's a little better... |
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| 00:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Freelancer -about init script |
| 00:02.21 | Freelancer | .. ? Got nothing :S |
| 00:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | If grub has "default 0" and "timeout 5", it should boot the first available config in 5 seconds, no? |
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| 00:02.35 | Freelancer | ho in mp ^^ |
| 00:02.53 | Freelancer | jhutchins_lt > I think so, yeah |
| 00:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Freelancer, dpkg sent you a private message |
| 00:03.14 | jhutchins_lt | Freelancer: Seems to just hang at the bootmenu. |
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| 00:04.55 | jhutchins_lt | Freelancer: You should have a private message/query from dpkg. |
| 00:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | between lam and openmpi, is there a reason to prefer one over the other for compiling amber? |
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| 00:07.35 | dkr | heh, "supported distributions: Debian Sid" it's odd to see only unstable supported. :) http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux |
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| 00:09.17 | jhutchins_lt | dkr: Actually, I've seen that before over the years. Some people just always run bleeding edge, and when they decide to develop... |
| 00:09.31 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > I'm trying, hope it will work |
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| 00:10.24 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > But sudo /etc/init.d/inadyn start did nothing |
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| 00:10.36 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > I mean... "unknown command" |
| 00:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Freelancer, did you read that factoid?! |
| 00:11.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Freelancer, you have to create that script |
| 00:11.52 | nsadmin | nm... of course it doesnt |
| 00:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Freelancer, if you don't care much that that's a bit hackish, you can add a command in rc.local |
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| 00:12.33 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > Tried to write the skeleton, but had not much to change |
| 00:13.02 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > How to remove it from update-rc, now ? |
| 00:14.37 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > and where is rc.local ? |
| 00:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | look, it's all in those two factoids |
| 00:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can copy and paste them, so it's coming from me, but they're really quite complete |
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| 00:19.58 | Freelancer | CutMeOwnThroat > man update-rc to see how to remove what I did ? Okay, I'll see tomorrow |
| 00:20.04 | Freelancer | thanks ! and good night |
| 00:20.16 | infid | what are the top 4 most important security logs in debian? auth.log, faillog, ...? |
| 00:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | messages? |
| 00:22.24 | ujkanovic | i need a apt for debian |
| 00:22.43 | ujkanovic | how can i find what version do i have of debian |
| 00:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Freelancer, hm, doesn't find it on my system though, manpage is in /usr/share/man/man8/update-rc.d.8.gz |
| 00:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Freelancer, and it's not "stored in update-rc" update-rc just makes the softlinks in /etc/init.d/rc*/ for you |
| 00:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ujkanovic, a) if it's debian, apt is already there b) cat /etc/debian_version ; dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:24.39 | ujkanovic | localhost:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:24.39 | ujkanovic | localhost:~# |
| 00:24.43 | ujkanovic | its not working |
| 00:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps because it's not debian? |
| 00:25.42 | ujkanovic | and how can i se what tipe of linux is it |
| 00:26.03 | ujkanovic | uname -a |
| 00:26.03 | ujkanovic | Linux localhost 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:26.46 | themill | that's a Debian kernel at least. |
| 00:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that does look like a debian kernel |
| 00:27.10 | themill | top |
| 00:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the naming convention is probably not unique :) |
| 00:27.13 | themill | gah |
| 00:27.25 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: datestamp is also right though |
| 00:27.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, gah: command not found |
| 00:27.35 | ujkanovic | can some on help me |
| 00:27.59 | themill | !wayttd ujkanovic |
| 00:27.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ujkanovic? |
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| 00:28.23 | ujkanovic | to instal apt on the debian |
| 00:28.27 | ujkanovic | but i cant |
| 00:28.27 | chomwitt | installing a livecd in hard disk does involve debian installer or is a different process? |
| 00:28.41 | themill | ujkanovic: what makes you say you need to install it? |
| 00:28.51 | ujkanovic | can some one help me install apt on debian using the wget |
| 00:29.12 | ujkanovic | localhost:/# apt |
| 00:29.12 | ujkanovic | bash: apt: command not found |
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| 00:29.26 | themill | ujkanovic: apt isn't a command, it's a library. Use aptitude. |
| 00:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ujkanovic, try "aptitude" or apt-get and apt-cache |
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| 00:31.29 | Gizmo_the_Great | Hi all. Doing some work into capturing physicla memory. Tried the 'old trick' of dd'ing /dev/mem but was met with the problem of only being able to capture 1Mb of several Gb. Due to STRICT_DEVMEM in more recent kernels. Can anyone tell me how to go about capturing memory now? Is it still possible? |
| 00:32.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I'm compiling amber 10 - do you know if I should prefer -openmpi or -lam? They're both in Debian (although I've not found where libmpi.a is in lenny) |
| 00:32.41 | Gizmo_the_Great | I have tried fmem - works quite well, but wondered if there something natively, within Linux itself like dd, that I could still use. |
| 00:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ujkanovic, please keep it here |
| 00:32.53 | ujkanovic | he |
| 00:32.57 | ujkanovic | i dont get nothing |
| 00:33.04 | ujkanovic | can some on update the kernel |
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| 00:33.09 | abrotman | ujkanovic: which version of debian is it ? |
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| 00:33.21 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: not off the top of my head, but the debian-science list has had some discussions about this recently and there is now an mpi-defaults package to help with this. |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | ujkanovic: how did you remove apt and dpkg ? |
| 00:33.44 | themill | abrotman: he didn't. he's trying to use apt(1) not aptitude |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought uh .. lampich was dead ? or was it the other way around ? |
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| 00:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, no idea... this is the first time the code I compile supports some sort of MPI that exists on linux (apart from the non-free icc stuff) |
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| 00:35.27 | LRN | Is there a package maintainer tutorial that does not use debianhelper? |
| 00:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, don't see such a package |
| 00:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, but finding the discussion, thanks |
| 00:36.06 | FenrirReturns | I'm trying to recursively wget something over ftp which I can do fine with -r, but no matter what destination I specify a folder with the server's IP address is created. I don't want that, I just want it to be put in the current directory. Any ideas? |
| 00:36.30 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: mpi-default-{dev,bin}, sorry. |
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| 00:36.58 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mpi-default-dev <= dependencies indicate current preferences |
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| 00:37.28 | ujkanovic | i didnt i did find this |
| 00:37.28 | ujkanovic | root |
| 00:37.33 | ujkanovic | on a free web forum |
| 00:37.45 | ujkanovic | they trayt to set that root but nothing |
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| 00:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, they say lam is dead, yes, not the other way around |
| 00:37.57 | ujkanovic | someting is dlitet |
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| 00:40.00 | ujkanovic | can some one serthe root |
| 00:40.01 | ujkanovic | for |
| 00:40.03 | ujkanovic | me |
| 00:40.08 | ujkanovic | set the root |
| 00:40.24 | jhutchins_lt | FenrirReturns: -O? |
| 00:40.30 | themill | ujkanovic: less enter, more care about what you're saying so that we have a chance of understanding you. |
| 00:40.51 | ujkanovic | repair my root |
| 00:40.52 | ujkanovic | root:123456:89.149.251.233 |
| 00:40.56 | ujkanovic | i gif up |
| 00:41.09 | ujkanovic | i cant |
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| 00:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I read that as... "things are not so easy" and "use openmpi" |
| 00:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of |
| 00:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: I'm not sure you realize it, but you have yet to ask a coherent question. |
| 00:41.58 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that's a reasonable way of putting it |
| 00:42.25 | ujkanovic | can some one repair or remotly instal a new on linux os |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | i don't even see the probelm .. what's wrong with aptitude ? |
| 00:45.35 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: No, you would have to have enough of a system running that there was something to connect to. Your system appears to be unreachable. |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: don't attempt that |
| 00:45.59 | ujkanovic | tray |
| 00:46.00 | ujkanovic | root:123456:89.149.251.233 |
| 00:46.09 | ujkanovic | ssh -l root 89.149.251.233 |
| 00:46.11 | abrotman | ujkanovic: STOP |
| 00:46.13 | ujkanovic | pr putty 22 |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | ujkanovic: do NOT do that .. that's absolutely STUPID |
| 00:46.28 | themill | ujkanovic: is there another language that you'd be happier to get help in? |
| 00:46.48 | ujkanovic | i am from serbia i now my englis is pur |
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| 00:47.20 | ujkanovic | can some one get on the root and set the server for me |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | ujkanovic: use http://paste.debian.net/ .. show us what the problem is |
| 00:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | does apt-file have something like the -t option of apt-get? |
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| 00:47.55 | ujkanovic | i cant instal nothing there isa root kit it forbid me to do |
| 00:47.57 | ujkanovic | ./ |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | ujkanovic: use http://paste.debian.net/ .. show us what the problem is |
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| 00:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, seems not... but this is the 2nd or 3rd case where a file is in a certain package, but in the squeeze package, not in the lenny one |
| 00:50.16 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: We can not connect to your system, it is unreachable. |
| 00:50.45 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: You will have to fix it yourself. |
| 00:52.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... not true, my pinning fails |
| 00:52.13 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Not that we would necessarily be doing that anyway, but it's a starting point. |
| 00:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or I messed around too much :) |
| 00:52.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: do not ever login to someone's system that you don't know .. for all you know, they could turn around and tell the police |
| 00:53.13 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Hard to prosecure if they invite you (and you have a log of it). |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | logs can be forged |
| 00:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, also, how do you know their access is legitimate :) |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | and obviously english is not his first language .. he may not actually understand what he's saying |
| 00:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't we all... |
| 00:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Thanks for your concern, but I'm ok, and I'm not logging into his system. |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | you already tried |
| 00:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Nope. |
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| 00:56.35 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: you said it was unreachable .. you apparently tried? |
| 00:56.46 | ujkanovic | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9e35dc10/ |
| 00:56.47 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Dude.... ping? |
| 00:56.54 | abrotman | ping is a useless test |
| 00:57.17 | liable | pings abrotman |
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| 00:57.39 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Yet if I am unable to ping him, it is more likely that his system isn't on line than that there's some clever, subtle, subterfuge going on. Not impossible, just more likely |
| 00:57.49 | abrotman | that's a horrible assumption |
| 00:58.14 | jhutchins_lt | MmmHm. Whatever works for ya. |
| 00:58.33 | jelly-home | my dumb home router doesn't reply to icmp echo requests |
| 00:58.48 | ujkanovic | why did you not log in and set my pc |
| 00:58.48 | jelly-home | still I'm online! Weirdness galore |
| 00:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I may not say everything I know here, but I have been at this since ... 1974 or so. |
| 00:59.26 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | ujkanovic: STOP DOING THAT |
| 00:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: We couldn't if we wanted to, your PC is not on-line. |
| 00:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: Besides which, we're just fellow users. |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's just dumb to say |
| 01:00.29 | ujkanovic | .ping 89.149.251.233 |
| 01:00.32 | abrotman | ujkanovic: what are you actually trying to install with 'apt' ? |
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| 01:00.54 | ujkanovic | updates and remuf the ootkit |
| 01:01.00 | ujkanovic | updates and remuf the rootkit |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | ujkanovic: don't even try .. backup your data, and reinstall the machine |
| 01:01.28 | jelly-home | ujkanovic: eh, ne ocekuj da ce ti se itko spojiti na masinu i popravljati stroj besplatno. Pretpostavka ovdje je da imas bar osnovnog znanja i da si mozes sam pomoci. |
| 01:01.37 | ujkanovic | i dont now hhow to install a remot server |
| 01:02.01 | ujkanovic | jelly naski znas |
| 01:02.03 | ujkanovic | ? |
| 01:02.20 | jelly-home | ujkanovic: yeah, /j #ubuntu-hr |
| 01:02.22 | ujkanovic | you speack serbish |
| 01:02.42 | ujkanovic | its aa debian os |
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| 01:02.54 | ujkanovic | i need debia help not ubuntu |
| 01:03.08 | jelly-home | yeah well, this channel is english only and I'm not going to speak local language here |
| 01:03.23 | RedMushroom | hey, i just had to reinstall debian, and need some help configuring that .conf file that tells the system were apt-get is supposed to get it's packages from. would someone please tell me where that file is located and upload their .conf file to a pastebin so i can get the information i need? |
| 01:03.47 | ujkanovic | ok |
| 01:04.02 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell RedMushroom about sources |
| 01:04.11 | ujkanovic | but why are you not helping me |
| 01:04.30 | ujkanovic | linux is a fre sorce |
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| 01:04.39 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: What you need help with is understanding what you are trying to do. |
| 01:04.39 | ujkanovic | and you ask money |
| 01:04.42 | jelly-home | out time is not free. |
| 01:04.46 | jelly-home | our* |
| 01:04.52 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: This is not something we can do for you. |
| 01:04.57 | ujkanovic | o tray to repair the |
| 01:05.08 | ujkanovic | root its distroyt frooma root kit |
| 01:05.14 | jelly-home | ujkanovic: I'd suggest you boot that machine from a safe livecd, backup the data and reinstall |
| 01:05.18 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: We are users like you. |
| 01:05.22 | ujkanovic | i cant |
| 01:05.27 | ujkanovic | itsa a remot server |
| 01:05.28 | jhutchins_lt | ujkanovic: I see no evidence of a root kit. |
| 01:05.33 | jelly-home | ujkanovic: so, go there in the morning |
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| 01:06.02 | ujkanovic | its a gift from a frend hi cant repair it so i cant to so i came her asking help some one who can help me |
| 01:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, are you in #d-ot, too, or just your alter-ego? |
| 01:06.57 | RedMushroom | jhutchins: do you know what the correct line to add to the sources.list file is? i have "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main" along w/ the line for deb-src, but these are incorrect and i don't know what it should be |
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| 01:07.41 | Devastator | for me, he's a lammer trying to fix a machine he owned :P |
| 01:08.35 | jhutchins_lt | RedMushroom: PM? |
| 01:08.39 | RedMushroom | yeah |
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| 01:17.54 | RedMushroom | thanks, jhutchins. that's exactly what i was needing. |
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| 01:27.24 | jhutchins_lt | Quite welcome. |
| 01:27.46 | jhutchins_lt | RedMushroom: You should familiarize yourself with the resources for finding that info yourself though. |
| 01:30.33 | RedMushroom | yeah, i should but i just haven't had the time. i'm mainly just needing the kernal and g++ at this point |
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| 01:31.03 | RedMushroom | i'm sure i'll learn all about it when i have to take the OS class at some point over the next couple of semesters |
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| 01:34.36 | manitoba98 | Question about building Debian source packages: if I want to modify a source package to rename one of the packages it builds (e.g. somepackage-part to somepackage-part-extra), how do I go about doing that? |
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| 01:42.48 | abrotman | !tell manitoba98 about rebuild package |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | bleh |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | !tell manitoba98 about rebuild from debian source |
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| 01:46.01 | dirkson | Hey all. What does hald do, exactly? |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | dirkson: apt-cache show hal ? |
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| 01:49.05 | dirkson | abrotman: It explains what hal is without imparting the least bit of useable or actionable knowledge. |
| 01:49.09 | dvs | No dirkson, we can't do that. ;-) |
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| 01:49.49 | dirkson | abrotman: Perhaps the more pertinent question would be: What can I expect to break if I disable this? |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | dirkson: X |
| 01:50.16 | dirkson | abrotman: X depends on hald now? Is this a recent thing? |
| 01:50.28 | abrotman | in squeeze/sid, not sure about lenny |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | dirkson: aptitude why hal |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | $ aptitude why hal |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | i xorg Depends xserver-xorg |
| 01:51.00 | dirkson | abrotman: That's a cool command. I will use that in the future |
| 01:51.04 | abrotman | well .. xorg depends on xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg depends on hal |
| 01:51.42 | dirkson | does a test, "Yup. Yup, that's a borked X." |
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| 01:52.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: they got rid of hal in sid! |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | oh, they did ? |
| 01:52.52 | jelly-home | clean udev dependency now, no hal |
| 01:53.31 | jelly-home | I was so proud... then my keyboard and mouse stopped working, again. |
| 01:53.43 | dirkson | jelly-home: ^.^ |
| 01:54.21 | jelly-home | but I was assured that shouldn't have happened |
| 01:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | not?! |
| 01:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd have claimed it was a ... "feature" |
| 01:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | enhances security... |
| 02:03.41 | dirkson | http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/21/campaign.finance.ruling/index.html#cnnSTCText - Fuck. Fuuuck. FUUUUUUUCK. I hope none of you live in the united states of walmart right now. |
| 02:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | /j #fuck |
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| 02:20.56 | DEbiansqueeze | well it seemed to work debian:/home/user# uname -a Linux debian 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
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| 02:35.18 | nsadmin | I think I got x working finally |
| 02:35.40 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, nsadmin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:36.24 | nsadmin | oh, goody! can I have all the floppies too?! |
| 02:36.34 | lordkelmain | nsadmin, what was wrong with it? |
| 02:37.01 | nsadmin | well I just swapped video cards, each of which happened to be on a |
| 02:37.05 | nsadmin | motherboard |
| 02:37.22 | ujkanovic | how can i remotly clean my debian |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | ujkanovic: come on .. this isn't funny anymore |
| 02:37.43 | dvs | ujkanovic: what do you mean by "clean"? |
| 02:37.47 | ujkanovic | from root kut |
| 02:38.00 | ujkanovic | root kit' |
| 02:38.02 | dvs | oh? a repeat question? |
| 02:38.42 | ujkanovic | i need to clen kit' |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | no |
| 02:41.11 | nsadmin | I cna't paste now... I'll fix that later |
| 02:42.30 | ujkanovic | i goot 1 root kit on my root i cant stop it from prcese i cnt restart the pc what shut i do |
| 02:42.35 | ujkanovic | i can only wget |
| 02:42.55 | nsadmin | ujkanovic just a small word to the wise (and I'm NOT available so don't even think about it)... we've been experiencing a severe bot net attack for like the past month... if you were to give out your root password, it's very likely that thousands of bots have it now |
| 02:43.28 | ujkanovic | how can i |
| 02:43.31 | ujkanovic | clena the rot |
| 02:43.33 | ujkanovic | kit |
| 02:43.39 | ujkanovic | from the root |
| 02:43.44 | dvs | reinstall |
| 02:43.49 | ujkanovic | i cant |
| 02:43.52 | ujkanovic | the rootkit |
| 02:43.55 | ujkanovic | is ferbiding |
| 02:43.56 | ujkanovic | me |
| 02:44.37 | nsadmin | he means wipe everything and start over from nothing |
| 02:44.47 | dvs | reinstall at the site. |
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| 02:45.02 | ujkanovic | localhost:/home# reboot |
| 02:45.02 | ujkanovic | Broadcast message from root@localhost (pts/0) (Fri Jan 22 02:36:58 2010): |
| 02:45.02 | ujkanovic | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 02:45.02 | ujkanovic | Connection to server closed. |
| 02:45.02 | ujkanovic | localhost:~# reboot |
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| 02:45.09 | ujkanovic | Connection to server closed. |
| 02:45.30 | manitoba98 | ujkanovic: Go physically to the server and press the "Reset" button. |
| 02:45.58 | manitoba98 | VPS providers provide an equivalent mechanism. |
| 02:46.14 | ujkanovic | i cat its in germany |
| 02:46.19 | ujkanovic | and i am in serbia |
| 02:46.23 | ujkanovic | 1500 km |
| 02:46.32 | ujkanovic | how can irestart it |
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| 02:54.31 | Name1ess | this channel has 542 ppl, and it's mode: +l 559 - why can't this person join? |
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| 03:01.29 | Teratogen | wait... there is no firefox in debian? |
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| 03:02.58 | abrotman | iceweasel |
| 03:03.22 | Oji-san | yeah, iceweasel is the same thing, just no branding |
| 03:03.47 | icebrain | !iceweasel |
| 03:03.47 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 03:15.29 | konr | What was that date manipulation util? I want to represent 21/Jan/2010:18:40:47 as seconds since 197 |
| 03:15.33 | konr | *1970 |
| 03:17.26 | mjmt | Anyone know if NFS is broken in unstable? |
| 03:18.13 | \amethyst | konr: date -d '21 Jan 2010 18:40:47 -0500' +%s |
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| 03:20.10 | konr | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 03:24.36 | mjmt | My Debian and Mac machines both mount a public_html dir over NFS, it's mounted fine on the Mac, but on Debian, mount tells me "Operation not permitted". I haven't a clue how to begin troubleshooting this. |
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| 03:32.20 | Jckf | What do I need in order to access Windows shares? |
| 03:32.32 | Jckf | I don't want to share thigns myself. Just access others' |
| 03:33.05 | tensorpudding | you need a client that knows about windows shares |
| 03:33.26 | nooper | google smbclient and smbmount |
| 03:33.49 | Jckf | I'll just do apt-get install smbclient |
| 03:33.49 | tensorpudding | you probably need samba |
| 03:33.49 | tensorpudding | but i'm not sure if you need it if you're not going to share things yourself |
| 03:33.53 | Jckf | I saw it when searching |
| 03:33.55 | Jckf | Thanks |
| 03:34.04 | tensorpudding | smbclient definitely will work |
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| 03:37.19 | Name1ess | Jckf: you using KDE? |
| 03:37.39 | Jckf | Shell |
| 03:37.49 | Jckf | I want PHP to access a smb:// path |
| 03:37.49 | Name1ess | oh. |
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| 03:50.03 | igno | grul: no way |
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| 03:50.11 | grul | igno, butt why? |
| 03:51.44 | grul | !penis |
| 03:51.52 | grul | !list |
| 03:51.52 | dpkg | grul: VATTENE VIA |
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| 04:02.13 | powertool08 | Is it possible to use policykit to prompt for a password before mounting my external drive. If so, how? (I'm using xfce if its relevant) |
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| 04:32.31 | lk | So port 80 where I'm at doesn't seem to forward through the belkin router. What're the chances that's the issue vs. ISP blocking it? |
| 04:33.15 | nsadmin | lk: test it by putting a machine outside that pretends to be the outside |
| 04:34.26 | lk | I think calling might be faster =/ This ISP marks what MAC addresses are allowed access, so if I swap out my router for the server, I'll have to call them to verify. |
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| 04:42.34 | rumpsy | oh, again channel is made to limit people |
| 04:42.56 | \amethyst | lk: I think nsadmin means, plug your router into a third computer instead of into the cable modem |
| 04:43.24 | \amethyst | lk: then see if the third computer can access port 80 on your server... if so, then the problem is probably not your router |
| 04:43.40 | nsadmin | and =dammit=, it's a bot doing the limiting... (but wait, if that bot didn't do that... ) |
| 04:44.53 | peterrooney | lk: any decent router should be able to clone MAC address from a machine inside its network. |
| 04:45.06 | nsadmin | rumpsy what can happen if there is no limit on joins? |
| 04:45.55 | rumpsy | channel leads to flood |
| 04:46.31 | nsadmin | exactly, that's the extreme possibility |
| 04:46.41 | bastid_raZor | lk: if you're behind a router you would have to portforward 80 to get to it.. also many isp's block port 80 |
| 04:46.45 | rumpsy | more people more queries more fights more chats more laughs more facts more and more |
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| 04:47.29 | nsadmin | so what would happen if the moderator saw 500 people, and set the limit to 1000? what happens eventually? |
| 04:47.47 | lk | bastid_raZor, yeah, I have port forwarding enabled, and in fact port 81 works fine to exhibit what 80 should. |
| 04:48.02 | bastid_raZor | lk: that sounds like your ISP is blocking port 80 then. |
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| 04:48.14 | lk | bastid_raZor, haha, actually, I just got off the phone with them. |
| 04:48.18 | lk | They don't block it. |
| 04:48.48 | bastid_raZor | lk if you can't get to your box via port 80 and port 81 works.. then yes they are. my ISP told a big fib too.. |
| 04:48.57 | lk | Oh? |
| 04:49.07 | lk | hm.... |
| 04:49.13 | rumpsy | may be, it may occupy more memory space |
| 04:49.23 | DogBoy | time for new isp |
| 04:49.25 | rumpsy | i donno, nsadmin |
| 04:49.37 | nsadmin | but what happens with the people? |
| 04:49.37 | bastid_raZor | lk: honest, i had to argue up and down.. they finally admitted it after i constantly proved them wrong. they also blocked 22, 23 and 25 |
| 04:49.54 | lk | bastid_raZor, alas, all those are open =) |
| 04:49.58 | nsadmin | first there's 500, mod sets 1000... |
| 04:49.59 | lk | DogBoy, impossible. Fiber's wired through them here and there's no one else nearby. |
| 04:50.19 | lk | nsadmin, who gets kicked out if there are more people than the limit? |
| 04:50.47 | bastid_raZor | lk: good luck. |
| 04:50.47 | lk | rumpsy, think it's alphabetical or does it go by latest or oldest or idle accounts? |
| 04:50.47 | rumpsy | nsadmin: please let me know who is moderator for this channel |
| 04:51.08 | DogBoy | lk, what's the trouble |
| 04:51.12 | rumpsy | lk, we need to ask nsadmin |
| 04:51.20 | nsadmin | grows to 600, 700, 800, 900, 950, 975, 990, 995, 999. |
| 04:51.30 | nsadmin | one more person joins |
| 04:51.39 | nsadmin | next person can't get in |
| 04:51.51 | nsadmin | say this happens over say 6 months |
| 04:51.52 | lk | DogBoy, port forwarding seems to work for everything other than 80. But wait, I haven't tried forwarding 80 to a different internal port. |
| 04:52.44 | nsadmin | so the strategy sort of works except it stops working at the 6 month point |
| 04:52.54 | nsadmin | you see that? |
| 04:53.15 | DogBoy | seems to work means what though |
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| 04:54.38 | rumpsy | okay |
| 04:54.47 | bastid_raZor | lots of retards trying ssh to my webserver.. root is disabled!! no login for you |
| 04:55.18 | nsadmin | rumpsy: also, at the beginning, flood joins of 500 clients could happen |
| 04:55.37 | nsadmin | here's the strategy the bot uses: |
| 04:56.19 | rumpsy | oh :O |
| 04:56.23 | nsadmin | the bot looks at how many are on, and adds a small number and sets the limit to that on a periodic basis, maybe every 5-15 mins |
| 04:56.48 | nsadmin | so the bot maintains the limit just above the number of clients on channel |
| 04:58.06 | rumpsy | ah. |
| 04:59.02 | rumpsy | What does it mean, just above the number of clients on channel^^ |
| 04:59.18 | nsadmin | how many people are here now? |
| 04:59.31 | rumpsy | 545 |
| 04:59.58 | rumpsy | no, 529 |
| 05:00.01 | lk | Wow, botstalker. |
| 05:00.06 | nsadmin | no, that's the limit... the number of people here is actually 527 |
| 05:00.06 | lk | 545 is the limit right now, I think. |
| 05:00.10 | pickcoder | the limie is 545 |
| 05:00.14 | pickcoder | ~limit |
| 05:00.15 | apt | [limit] windows |
| 05:00.20 | pickcoder | meh |
| 05:00.30 | nsadmin | notice the limit is close to the numberr of peopel |
| 05:00.49 | nsadmin | the limit is greater, but not by much |
| 05:01.15 | rumpsy | wait, in my client i see this, Mode +tncPrLlfJ 545 #debian-overflow 10,3 Users 529, 2@, 0%, 0+ |
| 05:01.19 | nsadmin | the biggest flood join is like 20 or so |
| 05:01.35 | liable | 10 in 3 seconds |
| 05:02.33 | rumpsy | so what is that 545 |
| 05:03.29 | rumpsy | k , limit is 545 and the no.of user in this channel is 529. |
| 05:04.22 | rumpsy | so there is not big difference between limit and number of people |
| 05:05.23 | nsadmin | so the bot makes it so more people can come here while preventing big flood joins |
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| 05:06.03 | rumpsy | oh |
| 05:06.18 | rumpsy | so, who is moderator of this channel |
| 05:06.43 | scratchme | Hi all. What's the recommended method to sync multiple linux /etc/passwd and /etc/group files ? |
| 05:06.51 | pickcoder | rumpsy: a bunch of people |
| 05:06.52 | Supaplex | ldap? |
| 05:07.00 | pickcoder | rumpsy: ask chanserv about it |
| 05:07.02 | Supaplex | scratchme: ldap? |
| 05:07.09 | scratchme | Supaplex: is that a question, or answer? |
| 05:07.20 | Supaplex | yes |
| 05:07.44 | nsadmin | as a matter of fact is IS a question or answer! |
| 05:07.51 | pickcoder | it a question, answer, and multiple solutions |
| 05:08.00 | pickcoder | some of which are totally chaotic in nature |
| 05:08.35 | scratchme | If you had already installed several hosts, what would be your recommendation to sync them, after the fact? |
| 05:09.00 | scratchme | I only have a few users added after the fact. Mostly ones added automatically via package installers. |
| 05:09.12 | rumpsy | Still how long support exists for etch |
| 05:10.27 | paissad | how can i grab the kernel version as named by www.kernel.org ( for example 2.6.32.2) instead of the conventionnal names that distributions use , for example, ubuntu would name his kernel (2.6.32-generic) & gentoo ( 2.6.32-foo) ... knowing that are the same kernels |
| 05:10.29 | pickcoder | scratchme: ldap is the best option since you can define multiple similar users under different organizational units (domains) |
| 05:10.42 | pickcoder | but I have to admit it can be a PITA to deal with sometimes |
| 05:11.19 | pickcoder | there is a pam mysql option and if you lay out your tables correctly you can skip pam auth when mysql modules are available for specific apps |
| 05:11.21 | rumpsy | Cool, look this, i got this from chanserv, Registered : Feb 25 21:43:30 1998 (11 years, 47 weeks, 4 days, 07:27:02 ago) |
| 05:11.23 | scratchme | If the ldap server cannot be contacted, what can happen? |
| 05:11.31 | pickcoder | no ldap.. no login |
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| 05:11.45 | scratchme | Okay, that can be bad, then. |
| 05:11.51 | pickcoder | different programs handle lookup failures differently |
| 05:12.05 | pickcoder | but you can have redundant ldap just like DNS |
| 05:12.21 | gimbal | having some annoyance with samba here. I'm seeing this 'dpkg-reconfigure samba' screen asking me about some tbd file or whatever, so how the heck does samba get the idea to use that file when it doesn't show up in any of my current samba config? |
| 05:12.33 | nsadmin | etch is now oldstable... when squeez is released, lenny will replace etch as oldstable and probably end-of-life right there |
| 05:12.40 | gimbal | this might relate to why a regular user on the box can't reset his own smbpasswd due to some sort of "connection refused" nonsense |
| 05:13.04 | gimbal | the tbd file is used for storing auth in some hyper-special way, apparently |
| 05:13.26 | scratchme | pickcoder: I may just address this problem later, then. |
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| 05:14.29 | rumpsy | brb |
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| 05:15.58 | nsadmin | gimbal so connection refused, what's that mean? |
| 05:16.13 | gimbal | something's broken, apparently |
| 05:16.21 | gimbal | I'm trying to unbreak it carefully |
| 05:16.27 | nsadmin | be much more specific |
| 05:16.31 | gimbal | oh please |
| 05:16.41 | gimbal | thanks for the help, I'm sure you mean well |
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| 05:17.09 | jonee | any guys in here |
| 05:17.15 | nsadmin | because connection refused is also very spcific |
| 05:17.57 | nsadmin | jonee: nope, only elephants, lions and giraffes |
| 05:17.58 | gimbal | right. specifically something is trying to make a connection, and something else is specficiall denying that the attempt would complete |
| 05:18.58 | nsadmin | could be. but statistically more probable, is the server is not running on the port the client is trying to connect to |
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| 05:19.06 | gimbal | when this is going from 127.0.0.1 to 127.0.0.1 and "hosts allow =..." includes 127.0.0.1 in smb.conf I fail to see how it serves to make anything more clear that the connection is refused |
| 05:19.26 | gimbal | well I guess that makes sense |
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| 05:19.37 | gimbal | so if it is, maybe it has something to do with some ctdb snafu or some * |
| 05:20.25 | gimbal | I'd just love it if the configuration for all that was seeming transparent to the admin |
| 05:20.35 | nsadmin | so since localhost is probably not blocking localhost, then you have the usual possibility: the thing smbpasswd connects to is not running. more specifically, not listening on the port. |
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| 05:20.51 | gimbal | makes sense, yeah |
| 05:20.59 | Craighton | what is an easy to use firewall for Debian? |
| 05:21.34 | nsadmin | depens on what your specific needs are |
| 05:21.55 | Craighton | firewall for a web/dev server |
| 05:22.19 | jonee | anyone here can lead me to a way to compile a more updated gnome for lenny |
| 05:22.35 | Craighton | something where I can block and allow ports, ultimatly I want to get something where if there is a flood of connections it will blok them |
| 05:22.52 | nsadmin | jonee: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:23.07 | nsadmin | but gnome stuff isn't likely to be simple unfortunately |
| 05:24.18 | nsadmin | you may have to backport for example the gnome-specific build tools, and you will probably have to build things in a specific order, etc etc |
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| 05:25.10 | lk | Well, it looks like if I route port 80 to be SSH, it doesn't work. |
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| 05:25.14 | lk | Whereas 80 works fine. |
| 05:25.24 | lk | hah. Might actually be the ISP. |
| 05:25.25 | andoresu | do you know which is the font used in the debian logo? |
| 05:26.26 | lk | paissad, did someone answer your question? |
| 05:26.48 | paissad | lk, no |
| 05:27.33 | lk | andoresu, http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/berthold/laudatio-be/condensed/ |
| 05:27.52 | andoresu | lk: thank you |
| 05:28.07 | andoresu | the font itself is not free? |
| 05:28.13 | lk | Oh, that I don't know. |
| 05:28.17 | lk | I just googled. |
| 05:28.20 | andoresu | ok thanks |
| 05:28.47 | lk | andoresu, this might be of use: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-desktop@lists.debian.org/msg01628.html |
| 05:28.51 | lk | paissad, you can download the compressed kernel image from kernel.org and then compile it yourself. |
| 05:29.18 | lk | I recommend copying the link and changing .bz2 at the end to .gz... it uncompresses faster. |
| 05:29.19 | paissad | lk, that's not my question actually |
| 05:29.25 | lk | Oh. Oops. |
| 05:29.39 | paissad | lk, i do have a great script that do that well for me :) |
| 05:29.57 | lk | Okay, what was the question again? |
| 05:29.58 | paissad | lk, i just would like to know if it's possible to get the original name of the kernel version |
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| 05:30.16 | paissad | lk, not the the name obtained after the build ! |
| 05:30.35 | paissad | without doing regex to uname -a|r |
| 05:30.37 | lk | Oh. I'm not sure I get what that means... |
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| 05:31.19 | lk | What do you mean by original name of the kernel version? |
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| 05:33.32 | rumpsy | yesterday i used to this comand, apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx, but i donno what it did, actually i want to remove nvidia-glx, and non-free nvidia drivers. |
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| 05:35.13 | rumpsy | liable: do you remember about this problem, yesterday i asked you about this |
| 05:35.22 | jonee | thanks nsadmin |
| 05:36.00 | jonee | how would it be possible to request for an amd64 dvd image for testing |
| 05:36.03 | rumpsy | i checked in /var/logs but there was no entries regarding nvidia driver uninstallation |
| 05:36.33 | rumpsy | everything was erased longtime ago |
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| 05:42.24 | DEbiansqueeze | hi every one im trying to get my system back and working properly using ath5k iwconfig shows my card iwlist wlan0 scan shows my router but i have no signal strength all encryption is off |
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| 05:46.11 | lk | Hey, is there any way to make the "windows" key act both as a modifier and a normal key? |
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| 05:54.48 | Craighton | I was setting up ProFTPd and one of the setup was to make the server inet or standalone and I accidently pressed inet but I want standalone is there a way to switch it? |
| 05:55.09 | lk | You should be able to in the configuration file. |
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| 05:55.54 | lk | I use vsftpd on my systems, but it should be easily swappable in your /etc/wherever/proftpd.conf is. |
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| 06:09.13 | itsosimpo | hey! i just dled the java plugin and i want to make a ld from my browsers |
| 06:09.26 | itsosimpo | i'm using epiphany, konqueror and iceweasel |
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| 06:11.19 | scratchme | Hi all, what's the best way to make a user account which will be used to run backup jobs able to read all files? |
| 06:12.28 | rumpsy | Still i donno how to make a backup, scratchme can you help me |
| 06:12.47 | scratchme | rumpsy: well, depends on what kind of backup you want. |
| 06:13.03 | scratchme | rumpsy: if you want a full system image, clonezilla isn't that bad to use. |
| 06:13.32 | scratchme | Clonezilla is easy to use from a live CD. |
| 06:13.43 | rumpsy | is that a thirdparty? |
| 06:14.03 | rumpsy | do you know any software inside debian |
| 06:14.10 | scratchme | It's not made by the folks at Debian, but neither is 99% of the stuff you've installed. |
| 06:14.28 | scratchme | rumpsy: again, somewhat depends on what pattern you're going for. |
| 06:14.40 | scratchme | rumpsy: do you just have one computer? |
| 06:14.42 | lk | scratchme, useradd omniviewer && gpasswd -a omniviewer root ? |
| 06:15.17 | rumpsy | scratchme: yes i do, i'm having |
| 06:15.21 | scratchme | lk: so just add the user to the root group? |
| 06:15.31 | lk | I actually have no idea, just guessing. |
| 06:16.02 | scratchme | rumpsy: then, try this: aptitude search backup |
| 06:16.10 | scratchme | rumpsy: at a command prompt. |
| 06:16.19 | rumpsy | okay ;) |
| 06:16.26 | scratchme | rumpsy: or use the Synaptic package manager and search for backup. |
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| 06:17.33 | scratchme | rumpsy: what do you want to backup to? |
| 06:17.47 | rumpsy | my filesystem |
| 06:18.02 | rumpsy | my, / and home |
| 06:18.06 | scratchme | rumpsy: so, you just want to fix broken files or something like that? |
| 06:18.32 | scratchme | rumpsy: do you want to do these backups on a schedule? |
| 06:19.08 | rumpsy | not on a schedule, if something went wrong it will be useful |
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| 06:19.30 | scratchme | If you just want a really simple backup, you can use tar. |
| 06:19.32 | scratchme | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087 |
| 06:20.02 | rumpsy | okay, if i want to backup on a schedule means |
| 06:20.22 | scratchme | Well, if you like that method, you can use the cron scheduling system. |
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| 06:20.58 | rumpsy | scratchme: but, howto |
| 06:21.17 | scratchme | http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+cron |
| 06:21.29 | scratchme | First one looked good, just glancing. |
| 06:22.03 | rumpsy | okay, cool ;) |
| 06:22.15 | rumpsy | i'll read that whole |
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| 06:25.03 | rumpsy | scratchme: Thank you |
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| 06:26.14 | lk | scratchme, nevermind, it doesn't work. The root group doesn't have universal read access. |
| 06:26.19 | lk | Can't read logs, for example. |
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| 06:36.14 | banditman | hi |
| 06:36.44 | TangentCollision | hey, I'm having trouble installing |
| 06:37.04 | banditman | in what way |
| 06:37.21 | TangentCollision | on the Select and install software, it's stuck on "Retrieving file 806 of 806" now |
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| 06:38.15 | banditman | are you installing from a cd |
| 06:38.56 | TangentCollision | netinst on eeepc |
| 06:39.40 | banditman | could be a network disconnect then |
| 06:40.00 | TangentCollision | how could I check? |
| 06:40.44 | banditman | open a terminal with alt f2 then #ping -c 3 google.com |
| 06:40.59 | TangentCollision | ping doesn't exist |
| 06:41.56 | liable | check vt4 and see if its showing any errors |
| 06:42.03 | banditman | ping will be in the command list |
| 06:42.08 | liable | its not |
| 06:42.21 | banditman | k |
| 06:42.41 | liable | the busybox in d-i doesn't have it, which is a pita when you do have issues |
| 06:42.55 | TangentCollision | it got package 807, does miscount make it freak out? |
| 06:43.51 | banditman | if its got 807 sounds like its still working then |
| 06:44.33 | TangentCollision | and I actually see no errors |
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| 06:44.44 | TangentCollision | but I see no progress either |
| 06:45.14 | nullp0inter | i am trying to install the latest testing release, and i keep getting 'Network autoconfiguration failed' |
| 06:45.26 | nullp0inter | amd64 |
| 06:48.04 | TangentCollision | aaaargh |
| 06:48.10 | TangentCollision | this did NOT happen last time |
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| 06:49.42 | TangentCollision | any ideas to help at all? |
| 06:50.09 | nullp0inter | TangentCollision: it seems dead. |
| 06:50.41 | TangentCollision | crap, is there a way of stopping the process and restarting the install part of the sequence? |
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| 06:52.04 | kblessinggr | when using apt-get, can I tweak the package configuration? , like if I wanted to do apt-get install debian, but wanted to change its prefix |
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| 06:53.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | kblessinggr: not without rebiulding |
| 06:53.33 | kblessinggr | k |
| 06:54.57 | kblessinggr | and silly quesiton but I already figured out how to make a startup scrip using /etc/init.d/skeleton, but how do I make certain objects start upon reboot? |
| 06:55.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | objects? |
| 06:55.55 | nullp0inter | so ive tried installing debian testing amd64 on three different valid networks, and each time i get the same dhcp fail message..anyone knwo how to fix it? |
| 06:56.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | what messag? |
| 06:56.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | what network card? |
| 06:56.54 | nullp0inter | Kamping_Kaiser: it is during the initial dhcp setup, it says 'network autoconfiguration failed' |
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| 06:57.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | nullp0inter: do you have multi0ple network devices? what are the devices? |
| 06:57.58 | nullp0inter | Kamping_Kaiser: i have a regular wired connection, and wireless is available |
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| 06:59.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | nullp0inter: so its possible its trying the wrong network device, or that your device(s) are not supported |
| 07:00.45 | nullp0inter | Kamping_Kaiser: how do i sort that out? |
| 07:01.20 | liable | nullp0inter: run dhclient from vt2 and see what it does |
| 07:01.47 | nullp0inter | vt2? |
| 07:02.01 | liable | atl+f2 |
| 07:02.20 | nullp0inter | liable: was that to me? |
| 07:02.25 | liable | yes |
| 07:02.54 | nullp0inter | ok one sec, getting the installer going now |
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| 07:04.15 | nullp0inter | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm i just got something different...it said no ethernet card detected |
| 07:04.37 | nullp0inter | this is a dual boot, and i was just online in windows 7 however i noticed that i could not see the ethernet device in device manmager |
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| 07:05.06 | liable | card might be playing up.. double check bios |
| 07:06.13 | nullp0inter | liable: im in the BIOS, what should i look for |
| 07:06.23 | liable | just make sure its enabled |
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| 07:07.03 | nullp0inter | liable: i dont see anything related except network boot being enabled |
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| 07:07.22 | liable | should be in there somewhere |
| 07:08.28 | nullp0inter | liable: negative |
| 07:08.46 | liable | havent seen a bios without it |
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| 07:10.20 | nullp0inter | liable: it only has cpu info and hard drive info |
| 07:10.50 | liable | no advanced tab? |
| 07:10.58 | liable | or hardware tab? |
| 07:10.59 | nullp0inter | nope |
| 07:11.17 | nullp0inter | 'information','main','security','boot','exit' |
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| 07:12.16 | hyper_ch | hello there, when I log into my ubuntu box with ssh I get that motd: http://www.pastie.org/789433 --> how can I make on my debian boxes that it also shows me how many packages can be updated and how many updates are security updates? |
| 07:13.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | how can there be more packages with security updates then total updates? |
| 07:13.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | that aside |
| 07:14.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | hyper_ch: man motd and man 5 motd.tail will be good starting points |
| 07:14.16 | peterrooney | hyper_ch: add a script to your .bashrc or .profile |
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| 07:18.07 | hyper_ch | Kamping_Kaiser: I think it's split up :) main focus on security issues (+ other packages that are updatable but not for security reasons) |
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| 07:27.27 | kottlett | hi! what is the etch update for libc6 (2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1) about? I couldn't find anything :-/ |
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| 07:51.57 | rumpsy | kottlett: http://packages.debian.org/etch/libc6 |
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| 07:56.09 | nooper | kottlett: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560333 i think |
| 07:57.14 | kottlett | nooper: thx :) |
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| 08:09.07 | WormFood | what is the name of the debian package (in stable) for "gd"? |
| 08:13.19 | liable | whats gd? |
| 08:13.36 | WormFood | a graphics library |
| 08:13.49 | booto | WormFood: libgd2-xpm or libgd2-noxpm ? |
| 08:13.51 | WormFood | commonly used on the web for web based apps that work with any kind of images |
| 08:14.15 | liable | libgd-* |
| 08:14.49 | liable | libgd-tools i would imagine |
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| 08:15.16 | WormFood | already installed |
| 08:15.27 | WormFood | is not recognized from php apps |
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| 08:17.43 | SpringRoll | I'm wanting to setup an HTTP forwarding proxy on a server of mine located in another country. Is this fairly easy to do? What software would be recommended? |
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| 08:20.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | SpringRoll: can be easy. could be something simple like polipo, or complex like squid |
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| 08:29.40 | WormFood | I've installed a new mysql database, how do I add the debian-helper thingy to the new database? (it was moved from another non-debian server) |
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| 08:36.22 | sep | WormFood, iirc you create a user with the rights SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, CREATE, DROP, RELOAD, SHUTDOWN, PROCESS, FILE, REFERENCES, INDEX, ALTER, SHOW DATABASES, SUPER, CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, LOCK TABLES, REPLICATION SLAVE, REPLICATION CLIENT, EXECUTE and name him debian-sys-maint@localhost |
| 08:36.31 | sep | and use the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 08:37.51 | WormFood | great sep, that sounds logical...thanks! (but couldn't remember the exact name of the user, or did I know off-hand where to find the password being used) |
| 08:38.00 | sep | WormFood, that list of permissions was taken from a enny machine |
| 08:38.16 | WormFood | great...I figured you got it from a live machine |
| 08:38.17 | sep | so if you have a different version. check what permissions that version used |
| 08:38.26 | WormFood | I'm sure they'll be the same |
| 08:39.22 | sep | you could even export the user from the default database, before replacing the database. and append it afterwards |
| 08:39.24 | WormFood | sep, and I suspect your host is set to "localhost", right? |
| 08:39.35 | sep | yes |
| 08:39.57 | WormFood | yeah...but I think that got trashed in my previous attempt to move the database...in either case, that database is offline, so this is less hassle |
| 08:40.51 | WormFood | sep, are you sure about that username? the debian.cnf file shows it without the @localhost |
| 08:41.44 | sep | when i wrote the name as debian-sys-maint@localhost that means name = debian-sys-maint host = localhost |
| 08:42.10 | WormFood | oh...sorry...I was taking that literally (until I saw it in the cnf file) |
| 08:42.34 | sep | i usualy write it that way since debian-sys-maint@localhost is a totaly separate user from debian-sys-maint@hostname |
| 08:42.49 | WormFood | right |
| 08:43.09 | WormFood | I understand, sometimes I'm a little slow when I'm outside of my areas of expertise |
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| 08:46.56 | WormFood | thanks a lot sep, I just tried it out, and it seems to work perfectly |
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| 08:47.26 | sep | your welcome :) |
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| 08:53.42 | HackeMate | hello |
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| 08:56.31 | superlinux | hi. I'd love to the following: give more time share to process over other processes. how? |
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| 08:57.13 | superlinux | hi. I'd love to the following: give more time share to A process over other processes. how? |
| 08:58.04 | Stereo | superlinux: man nice |
| 08:58.20 | Stereo | and renice |
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| 08:58.50 | superlinux | Stereo, i dont want priority. i want to set the time it self |
| 08:59.02 | superlinux | however i'll look at the man |
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| 09:01.23 | superlinux | Stereo, what I want is set the time for all other processes to wait until they use the CPU again. |
| 09:04.30 | Stereo | hmm |
| 09:05.02 | Stereo | you can hack something with sigterm/sigcont |
| 09:05.59 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:06.08 | superlinux | Stereo, thanks anyway |
| 09:06.11 | superlinux | i have to go |
| 09:06.20 | Stereo | see you :) |
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| 09:06.33 | Stereo | oh, wait |
| 09:06.44 | Stereo | I think there was something that did the hacking for you |
| 09:06.49 | Stereo | cpunice maybe? |
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| 09:09.13 | superlinux | Stereo, remember when you use ctrl+z to pause a process?i can make such a script. to pause all other than the major processes like the GUI and the like. after the set time , i can run them on back again |
| 09:09.25 | superlinux | yalla! bye! |
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| 09:20.30 | mullein | what virtual machine software would you recommend? |
| 09:21.03 | Supaplex | your imagination |
| 09:21.13 | ambuli | i have a debian package already named dto and need to change the package name to some other name. Where do i have to modifie the change ? |
| 09:21.40 | ambuli | kindly someone help me as i am new to debian packaging.. |
| 09:24.29 | mullein | ambuli, in the control file inside the .deb package |
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| 09:27.30 | ambuli | mullein, thanks, is there any way to mention my new package should not get installed if there is a other package ? |
| 09:28.09 | rdz | ambuli, afaik, you can set a list of packages, that your package conflicts with |
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| 09:28.21 | rdz | check the control file for conflict |
| 09:28.27 | rdz | "conflicts" |
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| 09:28.59 | mullein | yes, it is a "Conflicts:" line in the control file |
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| 09:29.51 | ethanol | can anyone make debian packages? =D |
| 09:30.19 | rdz | mullein, i haven't created packages myself yet, but i suggest, that you can put the name of the conflicting package there |
| 09:30.32 | mullein | rdz, correct |
| 09:31.52 | mullein | ethanol, yes. they are "ar" archives with .tar.gzs inside them including the files to be installed and a control file specifying package parameters |
| 09:32.15 | mullein | there are packages of tools to make it easier to work with them |
| 09:32.31 | ethanol | maybe I should tidy up my useless init.d firewall script and release it in a packaged manner. easier to install o: |
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| 09:37.49 | ethanol | but iptables isn't exactly a daemon |
| 09:38.11 | ethanol | so I guess my script is merely for ease of use :< |
| 09:40.45 | ambuli | mullein, rdz thanks. :) |
| 09:42.37 | mullein | certainly, ambuli |
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| 09:44.03 | ambuli | mullein, by the way i am using virtualbox in my linux machine. |
| 09:44.17 | Supaplex | !best |
| 09:44.17 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 09:45.06 | Supaplex | mullein: I'm using xen on one machine, and sometimes qemu for quick tests, and I'm am thinking of moving to kvm from xen. |
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| 09:46.46 | knandan | Hi.. |
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| 09:47.11 | mullein | thanks for the suggestions |
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| 09:48.34 | emdete | are there any known issues about bigmem kernel and filesystem corruption? |
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| 09:50.03 | Supaplex | emdete: which file system? what kind of circumstances? |
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| 09:53.41 | ambuli | i tried to remove the package, and after than dpkg -l | grep mypkg, it shows -> rc mypkg version |
| 09:53.47 | ambuli | what does 'rc' means ? |
| 09:54.43 | petemc | ambuli: at the top of the list is an explanation of what the letters means |
| 09:55.25 | themill | ambuli: use "dpkg -l mypkg" instead. |
| 09:57.37 | ambuli | themill, but still Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold, Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) . how can i map rc with these list ? |
| 09:58.28 | Supaplex | ambuli: capital letter based on the column. |
| 09:58.38 | themill | follow the lines. r==Remove, c==Config-files, blank==Err=(none). man dpkg explains these states further. |
| 09:58.40 | mullein | ambuli, i think that the first letter is 'Desired' and the second letter is 'Status' |
| 09:59.26 | ambuli | Ah. ok. :) |
| 10:01.54 | emdete | Supaplex: ext3. no circumstances (so far known). just when issuing a fsck on boot (by tune2fs) it complains. it show double allocated block, and so on... |
| 10:02.34 | ambuli | this debian policy is also like one of the option in this control file ? |
| 10:03.08 | Supaplex | reportbug wasn't able to connect to my mail gateway earlier. is there an easy way to reuse the tmpfile it leaves behind? I guess I have to go though the motions and reinsert it in my $EDITOR and strip mail headers? |
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| 10:03.43 | mullein | ambuli, if you have dpkg-dev package installed, man deb-control explains the fields in the control file |
| 10:04.02 | petemc | Supaplex: -A |
| 10:04.18 | petemc | Supaplex: or --include |
| 10:05.29 | emdete | Supaplex: i thought it was related to hibernating but it happened without also. i found out because git complained about a broken repo and started the fs check. |
| 10:06.42 | ethanol | does anyone know the link that describes the content/skeleton of an init.d script. the actual skeleton file does not mention all possible exit codes for example |
| 10:08.14 | ethanol | nevermind, found it @ http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 10:16.03 | Supaplex | petemc: come to find out, this looks like bts 497837 with a few clones. -i, -A still reask questions, requery stuff etc. |
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| 10:26.10 | Supaplex | petemc: is there a way to vote for a bug? it's like 5yrs old. . . |
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| 10:29.55 | Supaplex | ouuu, 551983 is pretty much the same kind of thing. |
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| 10:43.09 | jelly | Supaplex: would mutt -H be helpful in this case? |
| 10:43.27 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.00 | Supaplex | I happen to have exim installed on this system. no mutt. I thought the plain old mail program had a way to do this too. even sendmail from the command line. |
| 10:49.28 | ambuli | i have source package, and i need to create two different binary packages out if it, and both have different set of init file. I have included two different package in the control file and how can i mention a particular file has to go into specific package ? |
| 10:49.59 | Supaplex | oh duh. sendmail < rfc822.txt |
| 10:50.34 | Supaplex | I wonder if exim does the same. humm... |
| 10:50.51 | ambuli | could someone help me out ? |
| 10:51.11 | themill | ambuli: you probably want to have a look at debhelper for doing all that stuff. dh_installinit is what you're looking for. The new maintainer's guide covers much of this, as does the debhelper documentation |
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| 10:54.45 | ambuli | themill, thanks for the input. May be the word 'init file' might have given wrong direction. I have a file tktr and tktr1 and package1 should install tktr and pkg2 shoudl install tktr2. but both packages are from same source code. |
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| 10:54.55 | jelly | Supaplex: sendmail -oi -t < file would probably work, the guy from the bug report above probably just forgot to -t |
| 10:55.22 | themill | ambuli: dh_install, then :) |
| 10:56.06 | jelly | Supaplex: I forget where debian specifies /usr/sbin/sendmail API |
| 10:56.49 | themill | policy §11.6 |
| 10:56.49 | jelly | !mta |
| 10:56.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 10:57.03 | jelly | /usr/lib, $DEITY |
| 10:57.11 | jelly | this is not the 1990s |
| 10:58.37 | themill | jelly: I'll let you change that in 21 days when etch is no longer supported .... :) |
| 10:58.49 | au | !qmail |
| 10:58.50 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent by D.J. Bernstein. It used to be <non-free> and is now public domain but no-one in Debian really wants to take on the responsibility of trying to maintain it (see Debian bug #457318). For documentation, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install, ask me about <qmail debs> or <qmail equivs>. http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html #qmail on irc.freenode.net. See also <mta>. |
| 10:59.14 | jelly | themill: mhm, policy 11.6 doesn't say what /usr/sbin/sendmail MUST or SHOULD support |
| 10:59.15 | themill | jelly: oh actually, etch already had that fixed. |
| 10:59.27 | jelly | themill: and sarge, and woody I think |
| 10:59.28 | themill | jelly: yeah, just noticed that... thought it did :( |
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| 10:59.41 | jelly | debian had /usr/sbin/sendmail very early on |
| 10:59.57 | themill | dpkg, mta =~ s,/usr/lib/sendmail,/usr/sbin/sendmail, |
| 10:59.58 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 11:00.20 | jelly | in fact I remember putting a symlink the when porting dpkg stuffs to Solaris and Ultrix |
| 11:00.28 | Supaplex | I know what an mta is... not sure what you're getting at with the factoids. |
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| 11:00.59 | jelly | Supaplex: there must be a place that says /usr/sbin/sendmail knows about -t |
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| 11:03.51 | jelly | and probably -oi |
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| 11:04.42 | petemc | the exim manpage |
| 11:05.03 | themill | jelly: probably passed off to the LSB or similar. |
| 11:05.37 | jelly | petemc: I'm talking about Debian's /usr/sbin/sendmail API, not an implementation of it |
| 11:06.32 | petemc | why does debian have its own sendmail api when what debian ships at /usr/sbin/sendmail is exim? |
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| 11:09.10 | Muisje | Hello, i tried to update my system using apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, but during the install dpkg returned segmentationfaults (because of gzip). When i try to run gzip or nano it gives me segmentation fault. |
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| 11:09.26 | Muisje | What can i do to fix this? |
| 11:09.34 | jelly | petemc: Debian ships a lot of things that provide m-t-a |
| 11:09.54 | petemc | i know, that doesnt answer my question tho |
| 11:10.03 | jelly | petemc: I think it does |
| 11:10.32 | jelly | petemc: there has to be an external definition of what a m-t-a provider implements |
| 11:10.33 | petemc | we'll have to agree to disagree then |
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| 11:13.50 | Supaplex | I think #551983 using an mta is not a completely valid statment. all systems that can use reportbug to file bugs don't neccessairly have an mta in place to overcome this obsticale. |
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| 11:15.13 | eagles0513875_ | hey guys |
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| 11:20.15 | Ironhand | I'm looking for a simple & effective server monitoring system for Debian (Lenny) servers... lots of information online but I'm a bit lost among all the options... can someone recommend a system that does what it needs to without taking a kitchen sink approach? |
| 11:21.51 | eagles0513875_ | hey guys anyone have any good how to's on setting up bind9 on lenny |
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| 11:22.24 | cast | Ironhand: and what do you need? |
| 11:22.46 | jimcooncat | Ironhand: I've been using monit and liking it |
| 11:23.13 | ethanol | noooo |
| 11:23.17 | ethanol | boo @ monit |
| 11:23.18 | ethanol | yay @ munin |
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| 11:24.09 | Supaplex | remember kids, the key part of nagios is NAG. |
| 11:24.10 | jimcooncat | ethanol: aren't they two different types of tools? |
| 11:24.23 | ethanol | he asked for server monitoring? |
| 11:25.10 | eagles0513875_ | what about cacti |
| 11:25.21 | eagles0513875_ | cant u monitor a server with that |
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| 11:25.38 | cast | have you tried ping |
| 11:25.39 | ethanol | yes, you can |
| 11:25.39 | cast | disappears |
| 11:25.57 | ethanol | pong > ping |
| 11:26.11 | jelly | themill: yeah, it's deferred to LSB in release policy, and pretty much copy-pasted etch..squeeze |
| 11:26.26 | Ironhand | what I "need" is basically the ability to monitor several critical services, with the ability to alert me in various ways (mostly e-mail) when something goes wrong... I know that sounds fairly general, but basically anything that can accomplish that reliably using as few resources as possible is what I need |
| 11:26.46 | eagles0513875_ | ethanol: would that work for Ironhand using cacti |
| 11:26.47 | Ironhand | so I guess it's both server & service monitoring |
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| 11:27.11 | ethanol | munin is easy to setup in my opinion. but not sure how great it is when it comes to specific service monitoring. I mostly use it just for general server monitoring. |
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| 11:27.40 | eagles0513875_ | cacti would be better in that case as its super customizable as to monitoring |
| 11:27.42 | ethanol | cacti takes a lot more configuring to setup in my experience :< |
| 11:28.11 | eagles0513875_ | maybe so ethanol but its worth it |
| 11:28.26 | ethanol | could be, depends on your needs :) |
| 11:28.36 | jimcooncat | I agree that monit is kinda crufty, but it does do a good job for simple service monitoring, restarting, sending email alerts. No pretty graphs or anything fancy, I'd probably use munin or nagios for that. |
| 11:28.48 | petemc | eagles0513875_: bind9 works out of the box as a caching nameserver, if you want to do anything more than that the standard docs apply |
| 11:28.55 | Ironhand | a bit of configuration is not an issue (unless it's "sendmail" ish) |
| 11:29.15 | Supaplex | I'd take nagios over cacti. and all I use it for are notifications. gives me a heads up before i.t. dept notifies anyone. |
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| 11:29.30 | eagles0513875_ | petemc: i need setup 2 name servers so i can use with my webhosting biz |
| 11:29.49 | jimcooncat | yes, monit uses sendmail, I think I'm using mailx for it. |
| 11:30.03 | Ironhand | is there a decent comparison between the various options somewhere? |
| 11:30.08 | ethanol | doubt it |
| 11:30.10 | Supaplex | cacti needs a db server iirc, and a web server too? I got real sick of the hand tools there. |
| 11:30.24 | Ironhand | I meant "sendmail ish" with regards to configuration hassles, not having to use sendmail :-) |
| 11:30.50 | Supaplex | Ironhand: ask yourself that outloud. what website would you go to first? (no, not google actually) |
| 11:30.53 | ethanol | munin needs web too, cause it's mostly graphs. sends emails only if certain conditions are met, high load, lots of apache processes, etc |
| 11:31.09 | eagles0513875_ | i dont know whats worse cacti config or xen configuration for a total novice |
| 11:31.30 | Ironhand | Supaplex: that's kind of the thing that matters to me: I do *not* want the service itself to rely on other secondary services to work |
| 11:32.19 | Supaplex | Ironhand: nagios is fairly resiliant that way. btw, I'm sure wikipedia has comparisons of monitoring software. |
| 11:33.19 | Supaplex | I think I'll turn in for the night after pinging 551983 with one more update. |
| 11:34.28 | Ironhand | Supaplex: yeah, wikipedia has a comparison... but it's pretty much entirely a feature-by-feature comparison whereas what I really need is a comparison of how clean, reliable and well written it is |
| 11:35.04 | Ironhand | but from all the responses I understand it's still largely a matter of preference |
| 11:35.14 | jelly | nagios has worked for my employer since 2000 (it was called netsaint then) |
| 11:35.48 | ethanol | Ironhand: I'd probably use munin for global server monitoring, and monit for services on each server |
| 11:36.47 | ethanol | munin already provides me enough insight though; here's a small example - http://monitor.nowcast.nl/ |
| 11:36.48 | Ironhand | ethanol: that's one of the options I'm looking at better... also b/c there's a nice if somewhat dated howto for that combination |
| 11:38.11 | ethanol | setting up the main server took less than 10 minutes, each node it polls only a minute or 4. |
| 11:38.23 | ethanol | so it has my preference :> |
| 11:38.28 | ethanol | very easy and quick to setup |
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| 11:40.16 | Ironhand | ethanol: I assume all the pages/images munin generates are static, so that it can be displayed through a very minimalistic web server? |
| 11:40.32 | ethanol | yes |
| 11:40.39 | ethanol | you can also use cgi to generate them on the fly though |
| 11:40.48 | ethanol | but I found that to be excessive and not needed |
| 11:41.10 | ethanol | static html and images |
| 11:41.15 | Ironhand | yeah I'd prefer to do without... leave the dynamic stuff to a process that doesn't talk to the outside world and have a very simple service to display it |
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| 11:42.28 | ethanol | there's quite a variaty munin plugins, though some may be somewhat outdated. but altering them often is fairly easy |
| 11:42.55 | eagles0513875_ | !dns |
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| 11:44.25 | Slydder | hey all. I have a strange problem while rebuilding a mysql package in Lenny. I get the following error near the end of the build: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libmysqlclient.so.16 needed by debian/mysql-client-planetic-5.1/opt/planetic/mysql51/bin/mysqlshow (its RPATH is ''). |
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| 11:46.34 | Slydder | the funny thing is that the file is obviously there and the path is set correctly with: dh_shlibdeps -a -ldebian/libmysqlclient16/opt/planetic/mysql51/lib -Llibmysqlclient16 in the debian/rules file. |
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| 11:49.24 | Muisje | What can i do when dpkg is interrupted and when i manually restart it, it stops with an error? |
| 11:50.08 | Slydder | what error? |
| 11:50.15 | greenmang0 | Muisje: didn't dpkg ask you to run any command? |
| 11:50.56 | Muisje | yes but that crashes, one moment for pastebin |
| 11:51.09 | Slydder | most times you can do an apt-get -f install to allow for a completion. if that doesn't work then a dpkg -r package-name |
| 11:52.01 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d38f773e9 |
| 11:53.25 | Muisje | greenmang0 it asked me to run: dpkg --configure -a however it crashes while trying to continue |
| 11:53.35 | Muisje | Its in the pastebin |
| 11:54.43 | Slydder | Muisje: try apt-get -f install first |
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| 11:55.09 | Slydder | a few of your packages were not completely installed the first time |
| 11:55.16 | Muisje | Slydder that crashes the same way |
| 11:55.41 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d363f652a |
| 11:56.22 | Slydder | your system seems rather screwed atm. what were you trying to do prior to these errors? |
| 11:56.33 | Slydder | a libc swap or something? |
| 11:56.35 | Muisje | apt-get update / apt-get upgrade |
| 11:56.44 | Muisje | nothing special, afaik |
| 11:56.44 | krion | hi |
| 11:57.09 | Slydder | and how was it the upgrade interrupted? |
| 11:57.25 | Muisje | GZIP segmentation fault, that is why he can't continue |
| 11:57.34 | Muisje | also nano is giving me segmentation fault too |
| 11:57.52 | Muisje | I also tried to reinstall the packages, but not possible as dpkg wants to finish what he was doing first... |
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| 12:01.26 | Slydder | try a reinstall of gzip |
| 12:01.45 | Muisje | How? apt-get --reinstall install gzip nano does not work, due to "Dpkg was interrupted" |
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| 12:02.07 | Muisje | by the way: apt-get -f install now gives the same error: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 12:02.45 | jelly | Muisje: and, what happens when you do what apt-get asked you to? |
| 12:02.56 | Slydder | dpkg --force-depends --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archive/package-name may work |
| 12:02.57 | dpkg | Slydder: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:03.12 | Slydder | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.13 | dpkg | Slydder: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 12:03.22 | Muisje | Stupid bot |
| 12:03.23 | Slydder | try this: dpkg --force-depends --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archive/package-name may work |
| 12:03.37 | jelly | except without those forces. |
| 12:03.53 | Slydder | with the forces |
| 12:04.02 | Muisje | So dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/gzip? |
| 12:04.39 | WormFood | I just changed servers from a CentOS (or is that ScentOS, it stinks....or SentOS, it should be sent away) server, to a debian server....went surprisingly smooth, after I got the my mysql "problems" figured out. |
| 12:05.01 | jelly | using them by default is bad form, if one is not pretty sure that package is where the problem lies, Slydder. |
| 12:05.45 | jelly | Muisje: how exactly does your "dpkg --configure -a" crash? |
| 12:06.05 | Slydder | gzip is what's stopping mkinitramfs from finishing it's install. so I'm almost positive it needs a reinstall and without a force it won't read the pastebin. |
| 12:06.06 | Muisje | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d38f773e9 |
| 12:06.19 | Slydder |     573 Segmentation fault    | gzip > "${outfile}" |
| 12:06.51 | Muisje | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/gzip won't work: cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 12:07.25 | jelly | to rule out in-memory corruption, I'd rather first drop the caches and try running gzip again |
| 12:07.26 | Slydder | Muisje: ls the archive directory and look for the gzip package. you will need the complete package name |
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| 12:07.56 | benner | hi |
| 12:08.03 | Supaplex | WormFood: CentOS isn't quite worth a cent yet. Marketing went overboard on claims, as usual. ;) |
| 12:08.05 | Muisje | now i run: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gzip_1.3.12-6_i386.deb |
| 12:08.13 | jelly | Muisje: please do echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches and try running gzip on its own before doing that. |
| 12:08.14 | Muisje | This works, but after still gives me segmentation faults |
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| 12:08.56 | Muisje | jelly still "segmentation fault" |
| 12:09.08 | benner | anyone using dhcp-server-ldap? i have problems with more than 500 ips in ldap |
| 12:09.49 | WormFood | Supaplex, and it takes a CENTury for them to update it |
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| 12:10.14 | Muisje | But thats just your 2 CENTS WormFood |
| 12:10.29 | jelly | Muisje: grep bin/gzip /var/lib/dpkg/info/gzip.md5sums; md5sum /bin/gzip |
| 12:10.32 | WormFood | Muisje, at least my 2 cents is worth more than CentOS |
| 12:10.35 | jelly | Muisje: are they the same? |
| 12:10.35 | Muisje | :> |
| 12:10.39 | Supaplex | and since he overpaid, it's time for Debian for a change.? |
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| 12:10.53 | Muisje | no jelly |
| 12:11.12 | Muisje | 1 moment pastebin |
| 12:11.43 | Muisje | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d39684bfc |
| 12:11.46 | Slydder | delete the gzip package in the cache and reinstall from the repo |
| 12:12.03 | ethanol | Muisje: aptitude reinstall gzip |
| 12:12.03 | ethanol | :< |
| 12:12.10 | Muisje | ethanol doesn't work |
| 12:12.20 | ethanol | doesn't work is not a helpful statement |
| 12:12.44 | Muisje | ethanol: http://pastebin.com/d4fe65c29 |
| 12:12.56 | Slydder | delete the file from cache and reinstall from the repository |
| 12:13.30 | ethanol | you still have that lock issue? try what Slydder says |
| 12:13.31 | Muisje | i deleted the file, but this might be a stupid question: how do i reinstall from repo? |
| 12:14.31 | jelly | Muisje: coudl you do one thing again, do "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" again, and run md5sum /bin/gzip again. Is it the same as before? |
| 12:15.08 | Muisje | yes jelly |
| 12:15.22 | Muisje | but now only 1 record |
| 12:15.49 | Slydder | as you can't use apt without a dpkg error you will have to manually download the package. |
| 12:16.11 | Slydder | aptitude download gzip |
| 12:16.14 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d574b5796 here is the pastebin |
| 12:16.23 | Slydder | should get it from the repo |
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| 12:16.49 | Slydder | afterwards do the dpkg --force-overwrite -i package-name |
| 12:17.24 | Muisje | Done, and now dpkg --configure -a? |
| 12:17.31 | jelly | Muisje: or just wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gzip/gzip_1.3.12-6_i386.deb and dpkg -i that deb |
| 12:17.37 | Slydder | no seg faults? |
| 12:17.52 | Muisje | Got segmentation fault when i try to run gzip |
| 12:17.55 | nvz | How the heck do I get an app that runs from a shell script to run from a launcher/menu item in gnome? I've tried everything from putting the path to the script, to running it as an argument with "sh" or such. nothing is working |
| 12:18.26 | Slydder | when you run gzip from the line you get a segfault? |
| 12:18.32 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d4974023e <-- new pastebin |
| 12:18.56 | nvz | I can run it either way, taking the command I am putting in the launcher and putting it into a damn shell as the same user. I don't understand this |
| 12:19.08 | Slydder | ok. gzip isn't your problem. you have a corrupted lib somewhere |
| 12:19.31 | Muisje | jelly, the wget did not fix it either |
| 12:19.41 | jelly | I'd say a bad md5sum _is_ a problem |
| 12:20.06 | jelly | Muisje: does the checksum now match what's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/gzip.md5sums? |
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| 12:20.29 | Muisje | no jelly |
| 12:20.35 | jelly | Muisje: lsattr /bin/gzip |
| 12:20.52 | Supaplex | Muisje: does running /lib/libc.so.6 give you a version, or does it puke the same way? (yes, it should be executable) |
| 12:21.51 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d36971bc8 @ jelly / Supaplex |
| 12:22.28 | Supaplex | a yes or no will do. I'm on limited resources here. :) |
| 12:22.32 | Muisje | Supaplex, your command does not segfault, so yes :P |
| 12:22.37 | jelly | "it works" |
| 12:23.08 | Slydder | jelly: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" report |
| 12:23.16 | Slydder | Muisje: even |
| 12:23.22 | Slydder | sorry jelly |
| 12:23.36 | Supaplex | ldd /bin/gzip curious. |
| 12:24.38 | Muisje | i386 @ Slydder |
| 12:24.39 | Supaplex | Muisje: are you using ubuntu packages/repos? |
| 12:24.39 | jelly | alright, 8c989afc68f3bba631962c5515b9beee bin/gzip is correct |
| 12:24.46 | Muisje | No, debian Supaplex |
| 12:24.52 | Slydder | ok |
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| 12:25.26 | Muisje | ldd /bin/gzip : http://pastebin.com/d23942b7a |
| 12:25.26 | Slydder | still sounds like a lib problem |
| 12:25.47 | Slydder | line 3 of the ldd output |
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| 12:26.24 | Muisje | Whats wrong with it Slydder? |
| 12:26.35 | Slydder | oh. wait. I'm on my amd64 box. lol |
| 12:26.42 | Muisje | the others don't have /lib/ before it |
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| 12:27.13 | Slydder | but you should check those three libs. |
| 12:27.24 | ratono | what? i have a amd64, any test? |
| 12:27.37 | Supaplex | one of the libs is a phantom lib. it's part of the kernel api or something like that. |
| 12:27.53 | Slydder | somewhere in there is his problem |
| 12:27.58 | nvz | trying to join this channel with another nick on this same client is telling me that I need to be invited to #debian-overflow |
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| 12:28.04 | Slydder | one fo the libs is corrupted |
| 12:28.31 | Muisje | locate linux-gate.so.1 does not seem to be finding anything |
| 12:28.39 | Muisje | its the first line in the ldd output |
| 12:28.43 | Supaplex | that's okay. |
| 12:28.53 | jelly | Muisje: ldd looks normal. |
| 12:28.56 | Supaplex | !linux-gate.so |
| 12:29.11 | nvz | !ops help with joining please? |
| 12:29.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nvz complains about: help with joining please |
| 12:29.24 | Slydder | isn't linux-gate part of the initrd image? |
| 12:29.28 | jelly | nvz: you've joind successfully! |
| 12:29.35 | nvz | wow I haven't seen half those people in forever |
| 12:29.39 | Supaplex | nvz: you need to be registered |
| 12:29.40 | nvz | yes, I am here, but gise isnt |
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| 12:29.47 | nvz | since when? |
| 12:29.54 | jelly | a few days ago |
| 12:30.01 | nvz | blah |
| 12:30.10 | nvz | to register I need a f'n email |
| 12:30.17 | nvz | I have no idea what this guy's email is |
| 12:30.22 | Supaplex | since preteens and their new hormones are not in check. |
| 12:30.26 | nvz | haha |
| 12:30.29 | jelly | gives nvz a mailinator.com address |
| 12:30.39 | nvz | yeah I know about mailinatior |
| 12:31.03 | nvz | I could also probably make shit up.. and it wouldnt' care I suppose |
| 12:31.17 | Muisje | Unless you lose your password nvz |
| 12:31.24 | Supaplex | until you forget. then that nick may be hosed for a while. |
| 12:31.32 | Muisje | In which case, you can't get your password e-mailed. |
| 12:31.38 | nvz | I just generally put myself and several support channels in the pidgin buddy list when I install for someone |
| 12:31.54 | nvz | in this guy's case, #debian, #pidgin, and #virtualbox |
| 12:32.07 | nvz | but if he can't join them, then whats the point?! |
| 12:32.09 | nvz | heh |
| 12:32.09 | Supaplex | SCREWED would be the lamans term. :) |
| 12:32.51 | jelly | Muisje: dpkg -l libc6 libc6-i686|tail -2; md5sum /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 /lib/ld-linux.so.2; grep -E 'lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6|lib/ld-linux.so.2' /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6{,-i686}.md5sums |
| 12:33.46 | Muisje | Jelly: http//pastebin.com/d3ac62eb8 |
| 12:34.07 | nvz | I looked all over last night to see if there was somewhere I could order little debian stickers like the "windows stickers" that come on laptops.. couldn't find any. |
| 12:34.23 | nvz | Found lots of pictures of them.. heh |
| 12:34.26 | Supaplex | brain.cells == sleepytime+in pain |
| 12:34.43 | Supaplex | wonders oph - ttyl |
| 12:35.36 | Muisje | jelly are they supposed to be equal? |
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| 12:35.46 | nvz | Muisje I never lose my passwords, they are all safe in my head. Though one morning I woke up and thought I had amnesia and it turns out I just couldn't login because of the coke can sitting in front of my computer.. |
| 12:35.52 | Slydder | Muisje: no |
| 12:35.55 | nvz | well in front of my keyboard that is |
| 12:35.56 | jelly | Muisje: sorry, make that grep like this: grep -h -E 'lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.7.so|lib/ld-2.7.so' /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6{,-i686}.md5sums |
| 12:36.22 | nvz | caused me to position my hands differently to avoid spilling it.. |
| 12:36.26 | Muisje | nvz, i know a billion passwords roughly, i still occasionally write some of them down which i hardly ever use |
| 12:36.42 | nvz | took me quite awhile to realize that I don't actually know my passwords, I just know how to type em |
| 12:36.45 | jelly | Muisje: libc6 <-> libc and ld <-> ld should match |
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| 12:36.54 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d122fb0f8 |
| 12:36.54 | nvz | and that the can sitting there was why it wasnt working |
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| 12:37.07 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d122fb0f8 @ jelly |
| 12:38.08 | Slydder | does gzip still segfault? |
| 12:38.20 | Muisje | yes |
| 12:38.22 | nvz | anywho.. I need to make an egg sandwich for breakfast... and figure out why the hell I can't run a damn shell script from a gnome launcher no matter what the fuck I do |
| 12:38.36 | Slydder | that's what i was afraid of. |
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| 12:39.08 | nvz | I tried it with sh, x-terminal-emulator, ./, and just plain path to script |
| 12:39.10 | jelly | Muisje: alright, so all the relevant files seem to be correct |
| 12:39.19 | nvz | all of which seem to work in a terminal as the user |
| 12:39.29 | nvz | none of which work as a launcher in gnome |
| 12:39.35 | nvz | I have no idea why |
| 12:39.58 | nvz | I even symlinked the f'n script to a dir in the path |
| 12:40.01 | Muisje | jelly, so what could be the cause of the segfault and is it possible that specific information is logged somewhere? |
| 12:40.07 | nvz | $PATH that is |
| 12:40.08 | Slydder | I'm thinking that the linux-gate is shot and that is in the kernel. |
| 12:40.27 | jelly | Muisje: try looking in dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log) for clues |
| 12:40.47 | jelly | Slydder: linux-gate is a kernel API. There's no "library". |
| 12:40.50 | Muisje | lots of hits jelly, 1 second for pastebin |
| 12:41.18 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/d310e358f @ jelly |
| 12:41.22 | Slydder | jelly: exactly |
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| 12:41.59 | jelly | Muisje: is there anything interesting befre the segfaults kick in? |
| 12:42.45 | Slydder | if it were libc nothing would be running correctly |
| 12:42.47 | Muisje | ehm... i can't go all the way up, too many segfault, i did rebooted 2 days ago, thats as far as i can go back |
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| 12:43.02 | jelly | use /var/log/kern.log (if syslog works...) |
| 12:43.44 | Muisje | kern.log and kern.log.0 both contain segfaults |
| 12:43.58 | Muisje | no other kern logs are in /var/log |
| 12:44.10 | Muisje | nothing "interesting" before\ |
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| 12:44.15 | Muisje | it basically starts with segfaults |
| 12:44.20 | Wilthril | hi all |
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| 12:46.54 | Slydder | first. boot with old kernel and then see how it looks. I am betting that due to the broken update the kernel is not correctly installed. |
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| 12:47.25 | Slydder | am betting an old initramfs image with a new kernel |
| 12:47.52 | Slydder | now am gonna go smoke one. |
| 12:48.53 | nvz | one what? heh |
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| 12:50.14 | Muisje | ok Slydder, hold on gotta hook up a monitor and reboot etc... |
| 12:50.15 | amee2k | um.. is there a reason why the pidgin package depends on gstreamer?! |
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| 12:53.54 | oggei | amee2k: obviously yes |
| 12:54.01 | Polarina | The latest version of VLC in squeeze broke audio for me (all other applications work fine) - how do I downgrade? |
| 12:54.16 | QinGW | how to use !syslog-ng to close log? I try it at term. but command not found |
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| 12:56.21 | amee2k | okay. how do i install it without then? |
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| 12:56.52 | oggei | you can use an equivs package to fake dep, but is very ymmv |
| 12:57.19 | oggei | because if pidgin use extensively such libs, he'll tend to crash and do other nasty things |
| 12:57.36 | amee2k | ewww... |
| 12:58.05 | oggei | so you can choose to not use pidgin, or to recompile w/o unneeded deps, or to install gstreamer and don't care losing a little amount of disk space |
| 12:58.54 | jelly | Muisje: have you run memtest86+ already? |
| 12:59.03 | amee2k | well, pidgin is 680k. the gstreamer packets it depends on, and their dependencies in turn are 43M |
| 12:59.18 | amee2k | thats a difference of two orders of magnitude |
| 12:59.31 | rvsjoen | are you that pressed for space ? |
| 12:59.35 | Muisje | jelly, you think its a memory problem? |
| 12:59.39 | amee2k | yes. |
| 12:59.50 | jelly | Muisje: it could be |
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| 13:00.32 | jelly | Muisje: it doesn't really look like one because the errors are not random enough, but who knows |
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| 13:00.49 | Muisje | eta to run? |
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| 13:00.51 | oggei | amee2k: if you're pressed with space, better you begin to correctly read package metainfo and so |
| 13:00.59 | oggei | cause pidgin depends on 22.3 meg of pidgin-data |
| 13:01.07 | oggei | sorry, 23.3 |
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| 13:01.32 | oggei | so 43-23 = 20 meg dependencies i think |
| 13:02.06 | amee2k | hm... okay. that kinda drowned under the gstreamer stuff. its still twice as much |
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| 13:02.17 | oggei | did you read about APT::Install-Recommends also ? there is for recommends stuff obviously not for dependencies |
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| 13:02.34 | oggei | amee2k: so recompile package w/o gstreamer |
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| 13:03.13 | amee2k | from what i can see i'm already omitting the recommendations, only the deopendencies |
| 13:03.14 | rvsjoen | if you're going to recompile in the first place, there might even be more features you dont need |
| 13:03.26 | Noble | AARRRGH, formatted the wrong drive. no data written back to it. NTFS system, what do I do? |
| 13:03.33 | oggei | seppuku ? |
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| 13:05.07 | Muisje | jelly i'm rebooting now for memtest |
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| 13:08.10 | Muisje | during shutdown i got a segfault but it continued shutting down jelly |
| 13:08.35 | niklaswe | hehe nice http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php/LackRack |
| 13:09.51 | Muisje | jelly, its running memtest no errors so far @ 7% |
| 13:10.19 | jelly | Muisje: leave it for a couple hours |
| 13:10.29 | Muisje | a couple of hours? :/ |
| 13:10.40 | Muisje | its already 10% |
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| 13:11.05 | Muisje | And i really need that system running :p |
| 13:11.58 | jelly | Muisje: hmph. Does it do its segfaulting thing even if you boot it from a livecd? |
| 13:12.03 | amee2k | niklaswe: haha awesome! a shame the only 19" stuff i have is a switch |
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| 13:13.12 | Muisje | dont know jelly, don't have a livecd here. btw i could try booting the older kernel as Slydder suggested and then try gzip |
| 13:13.55 | Muisje | 25% / no errors |
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| 13:15.47 | ethanol | dude |
| 13:15.55 | ethanol | with all the time you invested so far, since yesterday |
| 13:16.09 | ethanol | I would have made a backup and reinstalled in half of that |
| 13:16.10 | ethanol | :\ |
| 13:16.18 | Muisje | ethanol the system works though, VPN / samba etc... |
| 13:16.35 | Muisje | Reinstalling that takes longer, besides reinstalling requires downtime,, which is even worse. |
| 13:16.39 | Slydder | since yesterday? |
| 13:16.43 | ethanol | yes |
| 13:16.47 | ethanol | he was here yesterday too |
| 13:16.56 | Slydder | holy shit. i would've backed up and reinstall last night |
| 13:17.08 | ethanol | reinstalling takes like, what, 1 hour? |
| 13:17.40 | Slydder | Muisje: dpkg --get-selections > ~/installed-packages |
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| 13:18.06 | Slydder | that will get you all you have installed. back up your home and reinstall. |
| 13:18.09 | Muisje | Reinstalling debian, yes. Reconfiguring packages like samba, creating shares, creating directory rights that comply so samba can work again, no. Also reinstalling would mean all computers in the network have to be re-configured otherwise they think the new server is spoofing |
| 13:18.31 | Muisje | And yesterday, i barely spent like an hour |
| 13:18.32 | ethanol | sounds like your network is flawed |
| 13:19.18 | Muisje | Besides, reinstalling is avoiding the problem, i'd rather take the time to learn what caused this |
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| 13:20.11 | Slydder | after the install just: for package in $(grep '[^e]install' installed-packages | awk '{ print $1 }') |
| 13:20.11 | Slydder | do |
| 13:20.11 | Slydder | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.11 | Slydder | done >update |
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| 13:20.12 | dpkg | There is no record of a $package | grep -q 'Architecture: i386' && echo $package package |
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| 13:22.40 | Slydder | wow. debhelper has a major lag problem. lol |
| 13:23.15 | liable | its on a network like all the rest of us.. |
| 13:24.38 | oggei | he's lagged because pasters :(( |
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| 13:28.54 | Muisje | jelly 87% 0 errors |
| 13:29.24 | Muisje | I highly doubt its a hardware (memory) problem |
| 13:29.47 | jelly | Muisje: I agree |
| 13:29.50 | jelly | now. |
| 13:31.11 | Muisje | It has officially past |
| 13:31.22 | Muisje | try and boot older kernel perhaps? |
| 13:33.09 | Muisje | i can boot (default) 2.6.26-1-686 or 2.6.22-3-686 jelly / Slydder |
| 13:33.36 | Slydder | do you still get a segfault with gzip when booted with the older kernel? |
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| 13:33.56 | Muisje | Now booting older kernel... |
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| 13:35.15 | Muisje | it gives me a major load of files not found, but seems to be contineuing to boot, and now it shows a segmentation fault but still booting... |
| 13:36.10 | Muisje | Even with old kernel, segmentation fault. |
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| 13:37.30 | Muisje | Slydder / jelly old kernel has segfault too |
| 13:38.19 | petemc | Muisje: could be hardware problems |
| 13:38.56 | Muisje | can we be sure? |
| 13:39.08 | Muisje | possible way to find out... |
| 13:39.20 | petemc | memtest can test ram |
| 13:40.06 | Muisje | already |
| 13:40.19 | petemc | how long did you run it for? |
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| 13:40.37 | Muisje | 30min |
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| 13:41.39 | petemc | you might want to run it a bit longer, i cant remember what the default is but i do recall leaving it running over night |
| 13:43.34 | Muisje | it passed petemc |
| 13:43.39 | Muisje | memtest said: passed |
| 13:43.59 | petemc | as i say, that seems rather short, but whatever you think yourself |
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| 13:48.03 | Muisje | Is there another possible cause? can we check something else.. that might fix this problem? |
| 13:48.25 | jelly | Muisje: yes, boot from known clean media (livecd or whatnot) |
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| 13:48.42 | jelly | see if it behaves in similar ways |
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| 13:48.52 | Muisje | does debian have a livecd? |
| 13:49.06 | jelly | yes, but it isn't very good |
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| 13:49.11 | jelly | !livecd |
| 13:49.12 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 13:49.40 | Name1ess | Muisje: another thing to consider - I was having a LOT of system instabilities - like kernel panic, system lockups, etc - I opened the case, removed everything, blew out all the slots with canned air, and re-installed everything - that solved my problems. |
| 13:50.14 | Muisje | Name1ess, besides segmentation faults i have no problems :p no panics, lockups or anything. |
| 13:50.38 | Muisje | jelly, it's better to use the same OS on livecd, cause else there might be differences |
| 13:50.51 | Name1ess | OK, just saying. I like to do that once in a while anyway, just to blow all the dust out of the thing. |
| 13:52.00 | jelly | Muisje: a good point |
| 13:52.01 | Muisje | eta rescue version of live cd 12 min to download |
| 13:55.40 | Muisje | Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. <-- omg... |
| 13:56.06 | Muisje | dpkg debian live |
| 13:56.06 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:01.03 | Muisje | jelly, basically what i should do is wait for the image to be downloaded, burn it to cd, try and boot, and when booted try using gzip. |
| 14:01.17 | Muisje | If it doesn't segfault my installation is bogus, else my hardware is bogus |
| 14:01.24 | Muisje | That's basically what it comes down to afaik |
| 14:04.20 | Muisje | And the burning begins |
| 14:04.44 | Name1ess | I am trying to view youtube vids, but I can't see them with konqueror OR iceweasel - and I have the shockwave flash plugin installed in Iceweasel. |
| 14:05.05 | Name1ess | Also, livestreams do not display. |
| 14:10.13 | Muisje | gzip works from live-cd jelly |
| 14:10.33 | Muisje | I'm a bit happy it is not a hardware problem |
| 14:10.41 | Muisje | my installation is just messed up (badly perhaps) |
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| 14:13.58 | jelly | your machine might be pwned! :-D |
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| 14:15.05 | jelly | Muisje: one other idea that comes to mind, might you have set up some extremely silly global limits in /etc/security/limits.conf? |
| 14:16.00 | Slydder | jelly: now that i hadn't thought of |
| 14:18.13 | Muisje | i never modified that file jelly, afaik |
| 14:18.19 | Muisje | want a pastebin? |
| 14:18.51 | jelly | not me, busy |
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| 14:19.38 | Muisje | file is blank anyway jelly |
| 14:19.40 | Muisje | only comments |
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| 14:20.00 | Slydder | that points to no silly limits being in place. ;) |
| 14:20.22 | Muisje | yay, any other ideas? ;p |
| 14:20.48 | offbitz | Need some help with ntlmv2 and getting winbind, samba, kerberos to all play together nicely.. |
| 14:20.55 | Floops[w] | any reason why channel |
| 14:20.59 | Floops[w] | is saying invite only |
| 14:21.52 | Slydder | Floops[w]: we saw you coming and changed it before you got here |
| 14:22.01 | Floops[w] | ty |
| 14:22.06 | Slydder | np |
| 14:22.10 | offbitz | first question, anyone actually accomplished getting a debian box to authenticate against a domain that forces ntlmv2? |
| 14:22.12 | Floops[w] | i am already here |
| 14:22.17 | Floops[w] | somone else ... is trying to get in |
| 14:22.20 | Slydder | seems to not be working to well though. will have to look into it. |
| 14:22.29 | jelly | Floops[w]: spammers; not really invite only, but requiring nickserv registration |
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| 14:24.46 | Muisje | jelly, what would you recommend me to do? |
| 14:25.25 | liable | grr, something has broken my middle mouse scroll |
| 14:26.32 | pmatulis | with ext4 quota, is it possible to have precedence of quotas within the same filesystem? ex: like a user quota taking precedence over a group quota (or even a group quota over another group quota)? |
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| 14:28.30 | Muisje | jelly, would it be possible to downgrade gzip? Perhaps that helps |
| 14:30.06 | Sufixx | hello, I've got a problem - few months ago I killed aptitude while installing package (tspc), and from this time I can't remove or purge it - and I every time I use aptitude I get this error: http://pastebin.com/d5de7480b |
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| 14:31.29 | themill | Sufixx: do you want to get rid of tspc? |
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| 14:31.55 | Sufixx | yes |
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| 14:32.39 | themill | Sufixx: editing /etc/init.d/tspc to put "exit 0" on the second line of the script should fix that. You can then "aptitude -f purge tspc" |
| 14:33.54 | Sufixx | thanks! |
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| 14:38.24 | remoteCTRL2 | hi guys! |
| 14:39.08 | remoteCTRL2 | i have inserted 4gb ram into like 15 computers and i get to see only 3 of them on every single one of them, no matter if i use bigmem kernel or not, can somebody help me with that please? |
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| 14:39.57 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: uname -a |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: you probably need to install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 14:40.26 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: Linux frog 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 21:12:12 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:40.39 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman i did that but still... |
| 14:40.53 | Muisje | jelly, would it be wise to reinstall like all the depencies? |
| 14:41.00 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: put 'free -m' in a pastebin |
| 14:41.26 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: what came to my attention is that if i look into the bios it recognizes every single ram piece correctly but when it does the ram check during startup it also already only counts upt to 3gb |
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| 14:41.37 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: k, sec pls |
| 14:42.27 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: http://pastebin.org/80321 |
| 14:42.58 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: put all of dmesg in a pastebin if you can .. if the system is only counting to 3GB though ... |
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| 14:43.17 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: k one moment pls |
| 14:44.05 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: do you happen to know a pastebin where i can upload textfiles? |
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| 14:44.35 | remoteCTRL2 | !pastebin |
| 14:44.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 14:44.44 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: paste.debian.net |
| 14:44.46 | kjetilho | hey guys, is there a way to set debconf parameters from te CLI without writing a small shell script snippet? |
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| 14:45.39 | Muisje | abrotman, could you help me with my problem? gzip and nano won't work, giving me segmentation fault. |
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| 14:45.56 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: here we go: http://paste.debian.net/57334/ |
| 14:45.58 | Muisje | I tried reinstalling the packages, no change. I checked memory with memtest and it passed |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | Muisje: start with debsums .. |
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| 14:47.09 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: i'm going to guess it's a BIOS issue .. it's a 32bit CPU right ? |
| 14:47.22 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: aye |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: not that i'm insinuating the 32bit-ness is to blame ... i have 32bit machines with double that RAM .. but more than you can't try a -amd64 kernel |
| 14:48.00 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: i was afraid you'd say something like that cos updating bios on like 15 computers is likely to void at least 2-3 of them :( |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: is this a dell/hp/ibm/foo-big-manuf thing ? |
| 14:49.00 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: nope i guess a 64 bit kernel wont like the machines.. |
| 14:49.37 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:49.50 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: frankly spoken i coundnt tell, most of the machines were assembled by a local manufacturer, its like 4 different mainboards, each intel |
| 14:50.03 | abrotman | oh, so they might be desktop boards ? |
| 14:50.35 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr |
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| 14:50.49 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: no server boards amonst them |
| 14:51.54 | Muisje | abrotman, you mean grep bin/gzip /var/lib/dpkg/info/gzip.md5sums; md5sum /bin/gzip? |
| 14:53.05 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: what just came to my attention, there are alot of these "system 00:0c: iomem range 0xe0000000-0xefffffff could not be reserved" in dmesg, does that mean anything to you? |
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| 14:56.55 | abrotman | Muisje: no, it's a program |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | Muisje: run it on the whole system |
| 14:57.26 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: see if you can use hwinfo or lshw to find out the MB model, and check the max RAM on the manuf's site |
| 14:57.56 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: which is exactly what i did bevore i bought the rams, all of which support up to 4gb |
| 14:58.34 | Muisje | abrotman, running :) |
| 14:58.50 | Muisje | Does it fix problems or just check things abrotman= |
| 14:59.05 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: did you read the manual? some only support XGB RAM with certain settings |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | Muisje: check things |
| 14:59.41 | Muisje | ok, cause i can't keep up if it shows an error it goes like crazyfast |
| 14:59.48 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: frankly spoken no, but i also wasnt able to find any settings in all of the bios that would indicate a choice to change this |
| 14:59.57 | oggei | remoteCTRL2: what is difference between free -k output on 4 e 3gig machines ? |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | remoteCTRL2: perhaps ask ##hardware |
| 15:00.03 | Muisje | i think i read a few faileds though abrotman |
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| 15:00.13 | abrotman | oggei: all of the machines are only seeing 3GB |
| 15:00.20 | abrotman | Muisje: use grep ? |
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| 15:00.54 | oggei | remoteCTRL2: what about free -k ? |
| 15:01.01 | pookey | hi all - does anyone know how I get a list of packages that haev been installed - *not* all pckages that are installe,d but rather ones I have explicitly installed |
| 15:01.16 | abrotman | pookey: aptitude search "~i" |
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| 15:01.21 | abrotman | erm |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | wait |
| 15:01.32 | jense | I am on debian stable 32bit and try to install pcre-devel package. http://pastebin.org/80328 - anyone know how to workaround this situation? |
| 15:01.33 | abrotman | oh, that's right |
| 15:01.43 | remoteCTRL2 | oggei: shows only 3 of 4 gb |
| 15:01.47 | Muisje | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d6828af96 |
| 15:02.12 | abrotman | Muisje: welcome to "Restoring my box from a backup, because the machine has been rooted" |
| 15:02.14 | remoteCTRL2 | abrotman: k, i will thanks for the attempt tho, appretiate it! |
| 15:02.27 | abrotman | Muisje: just a hunch |
| 15:02.51 | pookey | abrotman: | grep -v 'i A' |
| 15:02.56 | Muisje | lol abrotman |
| 15:03.02 | Muisje | No possible way to fix it? |
| 15:03.18 | abrotman | Muisje: well, considering your md5sum binary failed ... |
| 15:03.51 | Muisje | i suppose thats bad? :o |
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| 15:05.00 | nvz | ok, this damn nick is registered now, and I still cannot join #debian. It still says that Joining #debian-overflow requires an invitation. |
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| 15:05.29 | nvz | which makes no sense to me, because I'm not even trying to join that channel, and it joins from the SAME client with my nick |
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| 15:06.00 | Muisje | nvz, this channel redirects you to #debian-overflow if channel is crowded or in protection mode |
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| 15:06.18 | nvz | Muisje I've been here like 10 years, I think i know that |
| 15:06.31 | nvz | you're missing the point.. |
| 15:06.36 | Muisje | Just trying to help |
| 15:06.41 | nvz | I am on pidgin as nvz and gise |
| 15:06.46 | nvz | both are identified to services |
| 15:07.06 | nvz | nvz joins, gise gets a stupid error that seems irrelevant to the circumstance |
| 15:07.22 | Muisje | what error? |
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| 15:07.30 | nvz | Joining #debian-overflow requires an invitation. |
| 15:07.38 | nvz | as I said earlier |
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| 15:07.58 | Muisje | gise is not identified nvz |
| 15:08.03 | Muisje | identify to nickserv |
| 15:08.10 | nvz | nickserv said he was |
| 15:08.18 | themill | nvz: well it's not... |
| 15:08.26 | Muisje | nvz is identified to services |
| 15:08.27 | lindenle | Hi all since my upgrade yesterday my machine has become noticeably sluggish and has a load of over 1 all the time. When I look at top I can not see any one program that is causing the problem. Can someone help (amd64 squeeze). |
| 15:08.30 | Muisje | i don't see that under gise |
| 15:08.33 | Muisje | try /whois gise |
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| 15:09.52 | nvz | ah, shit.. been so long since I registered I didnt know I had to check the f'n email |
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| 15:10.45 | Muisje | abrotman is there a way i can restore is? |
| 15:10.55 | abrotman | from your known good backup |
| 15:11.10 | Muisje | Heh, i only make backups of /etc and /home |
| 15:11.47 | themill | nvz: head over to #freenode and get their help in this. |
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| 15:15.10 | Muisje | time for some coffee |
| 15:15.13 | nvz | f' it.. the damn email isn't there and I'm tired and startin to feel cranky |
| 15:15.22 | abrotman | Muisje: well, the system looks to be compromised, the normal procedure is to get a known good backup, and get the machine offline |
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| 15:16.09 | Muisje | is there a procedure that might be able to recover? :p |
| 15:16.16 | Muisje | without the known good backup |
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| 15:16.39 | nvz | you can't ever trust a machine once its compromised without a backup, no. |
| 15:18.37 | nvz | I clean windows machines without a backup all the time.. but you can't really compromise or rescue windows to the degree you can a posix OS |
| 15:18.49 | nvz | its already f'n a pile of crap to begin with |
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| 15:20.28 | nvz | the proceedure of such an operation requires clean static compiled binaries and a lot of f'n time |
| 15:21.11 | Muisje | what if i reinstall all packages that are failed in the debsums? |
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| 15:23.05 | themill | Muisje: do you trust the debsums? What if the attacker changed those files? |
| 15:23.23 | Muisje | Its worth a shot? |
| 15:23.36 | Muisje | Reinstalling i can live with, the data is secure without a doubt |
| 15:23.53 | Muisje | I'm just trying to resolve the problem rather then avoiding it |
| 15:24.53 | Muisje | Besides, packages i can install manually downloaded from debian mirrors |
| 15:26.09 | Muisje | I already checked the hosts file is clean |
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| 15:27.16 | n-iCe | hi |
| 15:27.38 | themill | Muisje: would you trust the tool that was doing the installation not to pop a new root kit into the binary as it was installing it? |
| 15:27.38 | Muisje | one of many reasons of the segfaults could be that coreutils got tampered |
| 15:27.55 | themill | Muisje: There is nothing that you can do with that machine that you can actually trust. |
| 15:28.24 | Muisje | themill the funny part is that the server still works correctly for the purposes what i need |
| 15:28.57 | themill | Muisje: many home windows users say exactly the same thing about their malware-ridden spam-sending computers. |
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| 15:29.22 | Muisje | themill it's so easy to block i-net access since its a local server |
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| 15:29.58 | themill | If it's local, then it's also trivial to reinstall. Just do so.... |
| 15:30.14 | Muisje | damn, it won't let me manually install coreutils |
| 15:30.26 | Muisje | unable to make backup link of `./bin/ls' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 15:30.37 | abrotman | lsattr |
| 15:31.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Muisje about aptitude clone |
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| 15:32.30 | Muisje | abrotman: lsattr /bin/ls = s---ia------------- /bin/ls |
| 15:32.33 | jehan | hi! has anyone an idea why my icedove-3.0 refuses to start? i get: /usr/lib/icedove-3.0/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 11222 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"} |
| 15:32.35 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 15:32.36 | abrotman | at all |
| 15:33.11 | Muisje | Might i point out that the system is trying to update the kernel due to an early started apt-get update / apt-get upgrade that failed because gzip segfaulted? |
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| 15:33.38 | bododo | hi folks! :) |
| 15:33.57 | Muisje | Also abrotman please explain to me why thats not good and what i can do to fix it :) |
| 15:34.51 | bododo | I'm running Lenny right now, and I'd like to switch to testing. _the_ problem is that my Internet connexion is slower than a turtle. Can I perform the upgrade by "chunks" i.e. not in a single download-upgrade packages |
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| 15:35.42 | Maulkin | bododo: apt-get dist-upgrade --download-only |
| 15:35.45 | rvsjoen | cant you run aptitude upgrade with -d (only download) ? |
| 15:35.48 | nvz | bododo: not exactly, but you could download only |
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| 15:36.00 | themill | Muisje: you've had a visitor on that machine who as done all manner of things to it. You can't even believe the output of ls, let alone ps, debsums, etc. Reinstall it. |
| 15:36.21 | bododo | ah! so I download only a little every time and then upgrade? |
| 15:36.30 | rvsjoen | would a dist upgrade warrant a full-upgrade or a safe-guprade ? |
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| 15:37.08 | nvz | bododo: basically, yes. personally I would find another way.. like public internet or something. |
| 15:37.38 | Muisje | themill, i know the system has been hacked, you don't have to tell me that... I'm sure there is a possible way to confirm if something is correct or not... also i have found various "dangerous" files which where located in the /var/www folder which have been removed... |
| 15:37.47 | nvz | bododo: not to mention I wouldn't run testing where I didnt have a connection fast enough to keep it up to date and to fix stuff.. |
| 15:38.01 | bododo | thanks! :) So basically: I edit the sources, I do an update and dist-upgrade --download? |
| 15:38.13 | nvz | bododo: perhaps you should use backports for anything newer you need |
| 15:38.25 | themill | Muisje: I don't know why you haven't yet powered it down to reinstall it. |
| 15:38.41 | bododo | nvz: well, I tried... but I'm using an ibook G4 (powerpc) :( |
| 15:38.45 | Muisje | Because i think i can fix this in another way? |
| 15:38.52 | Muisje | Or atleast, with help :) |
| 15:39.15 | nvz | bododo: ah. I'd always wanted to get my hands on a powerpc and test that branch |
| 15:39.32 | themill | Muisje: but you can't |
| 15:39.52 | bododo | heh... I own one. I LOVE it, but for working that's a little difficult |
| 15:40.03 | Muisje | If someone can wreck it, it can be unwrecked |
| 15:40.30 | nvz | last Apple I owned was a MacBook, had like a 20MB hd in it |
| 15:40.43 | abrotman | Muisje: get a good backup, take it offline, reinstall, restore data |
| 15:40.44 | Muisje | It's more likely the user never really got shell access, but used a bug/security flaw in the web-service to provide spam, which have been removed and the web-service which actually was hosting it has been shut down |
| 15:40.54 | abrotman | Muisje: you don't know that .. you have *NO* idea what they've done |
| 15:40.55 | themill | !system compromise recovery |
| 15:40.55 | dpkg | [system compromise recovery] at http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html -- This document describes suggested steps for responding to a UNIX or NT system compromise. |
| 15:40.56 | nvz | I had bought it for $100 then suckered some kid in highschool with me (a grade above I believe) into buying it for $200 |
| 15:41.29 | bododo | nvz: it's an intel one, right? |
| 15:41.47 | Muisje | themill that page will let me try and resolve the situation or is just a large file with alot of letters saying reinstall anyway at the bottom? |
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| 15:42.11 | bododo | what I actually hate about ppc is the lack of support by recent technologies like google's V8, adobe flash |
| 15:42.21 | matalo | Hi, i'm trying to fix an issue with ffmpeg on ubuntu-server 9.10. A google search tells me i need to install the package libavcodec-unstripped-52 but it is not in the repository |
| 15:42.21 | themill | Muisje: the latter mostly. That's the only thing that you can do that you know will actually work. |
| 15:42.25 | nvz | bododo: I didn't think they did intel back then. |
| 15:42.26 | bododo | meh... I'm surviving without them, but still |
| 15:42.42 | themill | Muisje: I mean, you can't even trust the output of "ls" at the moment. How do you think you're going to recover that machine? |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | magic |
| 15:42.54 | Muisje | :) |
| 15:42.58 | nvz | I heard about the V8, though never really looked to see what it was |
| 15:43.02 | Muisje | I bet you all got major expertise :P |
| 15:43.25 | abrotman | or we're smart enough to know that the machine needs to be reinstalled |
| 15:43.28 | themill | Muisje: reinstall. |
| 15:43.33 | Muisje | :) |
| 15:43.45 | bododo | nvz: basically it's a javascript engine. it's *really* fast but is only built for intel processors |
| 15:44.11 | nvz | I've never thought to myself that javascript was slowing me down |
| 15:44.24 | nvz | but then again I don't complain much about that sort of thing |
| 15:44.57 | bododo | :) true |
| 15:45.00 | nvz | its like when I realized debian was now putting dash in place of bash.. |
| 15:45.10 | themill | nvz: eh? You're always complaining about something |
| 15:45.10 | nvz | never really noticed anything wrong with bash... |
| 15:45.20 | Muisje | abrotman, besides your advice, will you help me get coreutils reinstalled or not? |
| 15:45.36 | nvz | themill: yeah but not about my computer being slow |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | Muisje: if you think you're going to 100% fix your system, you're *wrong* |
| 15:45.43 | themill | Muisje: seriously, there's no point in reinstalling coreutils. |
| 15:45.43 | nvz | or rather my software that is |
| 15:45.47 | nvz | I'm not a gentoobie |
| 15:46.09 | nvz | I got better things to do than sit around trying to optimize things... like go take a nap. |
| 15:46.44 | nvz | while I wait for the script to finish.. heh |
| 15:46.53 | Muisje | themill, imagine this: A virus/trojan whatever, has got on my system and had the chance to deploy, after removing the virus files and recovering the system packages, what could possibly hold it back |
| 15:47.05 | Muisje | i'm not going to reinstall without a fight |
| 15:47.06 | abrotman | this is getting ridiculous |
| 15:47.14 | abrotman | Muisje: great, go figure it out |
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| 15:48.07 | nvz | once a system is compromised tracking down hidden processes, modified configs, binaries, libs.. etc is WAY too time consuming |
| 15:48.08 | Muisje | I just want to try and fix it, before i start reinstalling anyway. Anything i might learn now, could help me prevent this in the future |
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| 15:48.38 | matalo | I run a ubuntu-server 9.10 slice which needs to remain up and reliable, i don't have time to fix it. I need a package from multiverse. If i change my sources am i likely to hit any issue? |
| 15:48.49 | abrotman | matalo: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:49.01 | nvz | you are suppose to take a snapshot to review later, and completly reinstall the system from scratch, then restore from the last known good backup |
| 15:49.03 | matalo | dammit i kep doing that, sorry |
| 15:49.54 | Muisje | Well i'd suppose thats highly possible since: 184 processes: 151 sleeping, 1 running, 16 zombie, 16 stopped |
| 15:49.55 | nvz | he talks like he's from picksburgh innat |
| 15:50.08 | nsadmin | Hi... any of these cameras supported by lenny? also what kind of support? http://www.costco.com/Service/FeaturePage.aspx?ProductNo=11320807 |
| 15:50.21 | abrotman | nsadmin: probably all of them |
| 15:50.39 | Muisje | My normal system runs around 100 processes, but its not a Domain controller unlike the local server |
| 15:50.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: i have the ZS3, not cheap, but works fine |
| 15:51.33 | nvz | I like the cannon powershot commercial where the little girl falls over the back of the couch and gets back up without a hitch like she meant to do it. |
| 15:51.35 | nvz | cracks me up |
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| 15:52.18 | ambuli | it is confusing: in the rules file we mention install -d . filename and in makefile we mention install: what is the difference ? |
| 15:52.23 | simonrvn | was probably rehearsed 20-30 times |
| 15:52.57 | simonrvn | ^install: .... is a make target |
| 15:53.09 | simonrvn | install is /usr/bin/install |
| 15:54.03 | nvz | yeah well you can kinda tell she does it on purpose but she still makes it pretty amusing to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHevJ_1bcgw |
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| 15:56.48 | nvz | I youtubed that shit cause well, played hell trying to find it. Canon has it on their website in quicktime format for use by flash based video players. but its not easy to find. Either way I'm going to bed, too tired to do anything else. I got no work to do, this machine I'm on is done and ready to go |
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| 15:58.02 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 15:58.44 | Muisje | abrotman, atleast tell me this. Is there a way to find out how this could happen? I will reinstall, but first i want to know how the intruder got in >.< |
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| 15:59.00 | abrotman | Muisje: i have no idea what is on your machine |
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| 15:59.21 | Muisje | I just don't want to go reinstall and 2 months later have the same problem again |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | that's fine .. i still have no idea what's on your machine |
| 16:00.22 | Muisje | Got a command that will provide an easy list or you want me to name every package + version? :) |
| 16:00.59 | ambuli | simonrvn, so when u install the package with dpkg -i pkgname.deb , it never uses the install: target in make file is not ? |
| 16:01.22 | simonrvn | ambuli: what? no. no makefile is used in .debs. |
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| 16:02.19 | Muisje | abrotman if i tell you avahi? does that say something fermilliar? |
| 16:02.21 | naquad | how /etc/motd generated? |
| 16:02.31 | Muisje | I checked the chown user of /bin/ls... it's avahi |
| 16:02.37 | Muisje | Something i never installed afaik :/ |
| 16:02.39 | ambuli | so, when u do dpkg-buildpackage, it uses makefile for soure code compilation and while u install dpkg -i pkgname.deb, it uses the rules file to install correc ? |
| 16:02.40 | abrotman | Muisje: why is your server avahi ? |
| 16:02.45 | abrotman | erm .. running avahi |
| 16:02.54 | Muisje | As i said, i never installed it |
| 16:03.14 | Muisje | This could very well be the program they might have exploited, not? |
| 16:03.18 | abrotman | Muisje: is X installed ? |
| 16:03.21 | Muisje | no |
| 16:03.28 | Muisje | its not a desktop system |
| 16:03.32 | nsadmin | ambuli makefiles may be used in the process of making the deb, but not installing. |
| 16:03.39 | abrotman | all that means is that there is a user 'avahi' in /etc/passwd, and they changed it to seem like it's owned by that user |
| 16:04.28 | n-iCe | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3JAp7vMuo |
| 16:04.32 | n-iCe | can believe it |
| 16:04.47 | abrotman | n-iCe: wrong channel |
| 16:05.16 | ambuli | nsadmin, the confusion was is this: two places we mention which files and where needs to be installed 1. in makefile , 2. in rules file. why two different places ? |
| 16:05.24 | Muisje | abrotman, avahi exists in /etc/passwd : mDNS daemon? |
| 16:05.33 | abrotman | right .. sounds normal |
| 16:05.53 | abrotman | Muisje: i'm not going to debug this for you .. if you want to know what these things are, you can find it yourself |
| 16:06.10 | Muisje | Ok, but thanks anyway |
| 16:06.12 | ctp | hi folks. is there any way to define uid/gid of a mountpoint within fstab instead of chown'ing the mountpoint after fstab mounts is as root:root? e.g. i need a mountpoint /backup with uid:gid = bacula:data. fstab mounts is as root:root |
| 16:06.37 | \amethyst | ctp: what filesystem? |
| 16:06.46 | ctp | xfs |
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| 16:07.59 | ctp | \amethyst: you mean the uid/gid of a mountpoint is fs dependant? |
| 16:08.03 | \amethyst | ctp: then, no, chmodding the filesystem's root once it's mounted is the only way |
| 16:08.23 | ctp | which fs would support that? |
| 16:08.36 | ctp | i'm at the beginning ;-) |
| 16:08.38 | \amethyst | ctp: vfat and ntfs and other FSes without Unix permissions let you specify the ownership of everything as a mount option |
| 16:08.42 | itsosimpo | hello, i just dled java-plugin and i want to ld from my browsers....i have epiphany, iceweasel, and konqueror. anyone have any tutorials or help i could use? |
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| 16:08.49 | ctp | ah, ok. |
| 16:08.52 | \amethyst | ctp: but wouldn't be useful for backing up Unix files, because they won't preserve the metadata |
| 16:08.58 | \amethyst | ctp: what's wrong with chown? |
| 16:09.33 | ctp | it's an array with 22 disks, 22 mountpoints and all of them need different uid/gid. |
| 16:09.39 | Muisje | abrotman, no request for help but you might find this interesting: i got 2 users named root :o |
| 16:09.49 | \amethyst | ctp: so you need to run chown 22 times |
| 16:09.58 | \amethyst | ctp: that's no harder than modifying 22 lines of fstab :) |
| 16:10.15 | ctp | ok, thx |
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| 16:12.11 | nsadmin | ctp any of them need files owned by many different users? like a.txt ownded by x and b.txt owned by y on the same partition? |
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| 16:12.57 | ctp | nsadmin: no, uid/gid per partition |
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| 16:13.18 | ctp | nsadmin: something like postgres:postgres for /dbdata as mountpoint |
| 16:13.25 | nsadmin | you mean one owner and one group owner on a partition |
| 16:13.29 | nsadmin | that could work |
| 16:13.38 | ctp | nsadmin: yepp |
| 16:13.44 | nsadmin | why do you need that? |
| 16:14.17 | ctp | nsadmin: xen setup which uses 1 hdd per service |
| 16:14.25 | ctp | s/service/xen domU |
| 16:14.37 | ctp | but only for storage |
| 16:14.59 | ctp | so e.g. bacula is running on a xen domU but storages its data on dedicated hdd |
| 16:15.06 | nsadmin | and the xen guests are windows? |
| 16:15.12 | ctp | same with db, lighttpd etc |
| 16:15.19 | ctp | no all debian |
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| 16:15.47 | nsadmin | in that case I don't understand (still, it will work) |
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| 16:17.39 | nsadmin | the thing I'm not understanding is why have ntfs or fat partitions when they won't be used by windows? |
| 16:17.58 | Muisje | How can i take over control of a file as root? |
| 16:18.48 | nsadmin | Muisje just do whatever to it as root. what do you mean by "take over"? |
| 16:19.16 | Muisje | I want to change file permissions but it won't let me change them (logged in as root) |
| 16:19.32 | ctp | nsadmin: why ntfs or fat? i'm on xfs. |
| 16:20.14 | zleap | Muisje, what error are you getting what command are you using |
| 16:20.47 | nsadmin | (xfs? make sure you have a ups) didn't you say you're going to mount win formatted storage? |
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| 16:21.59 | Chessware | hi |
| 16:22.10 | Chessware | is there an openswan expert here ? |
| 16:22.23 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 16:22.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:22.56 | nsadmin | also... |
| 16:22.59 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 16:23.00 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 16:24.17 | Chessware | OK I want to setup a local laboratory test for vpn between 2 nodes running openswan.. |
| 16:24.33 | Chessware | and it doesnt work for me |
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| 16:25.16 | ambuli | i see some checksum value in .changes file how it is calculated ?? it is not mapping with the output of md5sum <samefile> ? |
| 16:25.18 | Muisje | zleap: operation not permitted - chown root:root /bin/ls (yes i know, the system is f'd) |
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| 16:26.42 | themill | ambuli: dpkg-genchanges might be useful at this point. (they are md5-sums, sha1-sums and sha256-sums in the various sections as shown in the headers) |
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| 16:27.37 | pozic | What did Debian do w.r.t. the kernel changes in 2.6.27 with the timestamps field in TCP. |
| 16:27.37 | themill | Muisje: I'm sort of sick of you wasting everyone else's time here on this fruitless exercise. And I'm even more disturbed that you think this box might ever be suitable for plugging into the network again without a reinstall... |
| 16:27.43 | pozic | ? |
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| 16:29.01 | Neozonz | Can anyone help me out with this apt problem I'm having? |
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| 16:30.50 | snowrichard | hi |
| 16:30.55 | zleap | i am not sure what chown root:root does, why is the : in there |
| 16:31.02 | themill | Neozonz: no-one can help you if you don't actually ask the question. |
| 16:31.09 | nsadmin | throws marshmellows, broken pennies and live chickens at "this apt problem" |
| 16:31.12 | ambuli | what is difference between packed debian source tree, and unpacked source debian tree ? |
| 16:31.21 | \amethyst | zleap: separates the user name from the group name |
| 16:31.26 | zleap | ah |
| 16:31.34 | snowrichard | i have a compaq es40 alphaserver running lennyr3 -- iceweasel gives me a segfault when I try to display a drupal page |
| 16:31.36 | zleap | doesn't chgrp change the group |
| 16:31.41 | Muisje | themill, who said i'm not going to reinstall? |
| 16:31.44 | Neozonz | everytime i try to install git-core, but it tries to install all kinds of other apps such as open office, ect and says a ton of dependencies are not met (and I know git doesn't need openoffice and the other dependencies) |
| 16:31.50 | \amethyst | zleap: yes, and chown changes both or just the user |
| 16:32.00 | zleap | ah |
| 16:32.02 | zleap | thanks |
| 16:32.58 | themill | Neozonz: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy git-core; aptitude install git-core" |
| 16:33.01 | \amethyst | zleap: (meaning chgrp foo and chown :foo are basically the same) |
| 16:33.16 | zleap | ah |
| 16:33.20 | zleap | sounds good |
| 16:33.54 | zleap | i guess as chown changes ownership and grp = group ownership that makes sense to allow the chown to do both |
| 16:34.11 | pmatulis | with ext4 quota, is it possible to have precedence of quotas within the same filesystem? ex: like a user quota taking precedence over a group quota (or even a group quota over another group quota)? |
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| 16:38.17 | abrotman | Muisje: still means nothing |
| 16:38.30 | Muisje | huh abrotman? |
| 16:38.50 | Muisje | I found out that the intruder added 2 accounts with uid 0 |
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| 16:40.50 | Muisje | no home dirs (or atleast not visible) |
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| 16:43.29 | Muisje | abrotman, i will reinstall the system but not right now. Do you have some articles or advice on how to make a backup of data so to easily restore it? |
| 16:43.46 | Muisje | I have safe backups of /home (data folders) and /etc (configs) |
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| 16:44.09 | nsadmin | what else do you need? |
| 16:44.10 | steve_j | afternoon all |
| 16:45.02 | steve_j | I'm setting up a new lenny box on VMware and have just installed apache2, but it won't start saying it couldn't get a reliable domain name. What may I have missed? |
| 16:45.24 | nsadmin | a domain name |
| 16:46.04 | nsadmin | waht is it you're trying to do? (btw the domain name in the apache config could be a numeric IP address) |
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| 16:46.41 | nsadmin | why install apache2? |
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| 16:47.14 | steve_j | i need to run a local version of our production server on a demo laptop |
| 16:47.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 16:47.41 | steve_j | nsadmin i've just installed apache with apt-get and trying to rn it |
| 16:47.44 | nsadmin | so put some name in /etc/hosts and use that |
| 16:48.02 | steve_j | ah thanks - that's what i need |
| 16:48.39 | nsadmin | or if you really want... you can run a dns... |
| 16:49.13 | steve_j | well, i'd really rahter do only what i need right now - up against it time wise |
| 16:49.24 | nsadmin | and have the dns serve the domain name "your.company.name.here" |
| 16:49.30 | steve_j | gotcha |
| 16:49.39 | steve_j | nice idea |
| 16:50.57 | nsadmin | then, your laptop could be a server for their laptops |
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| 16:51.56 | abrotman | Muisje: liveCD |
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| 16:52.24 | Muisje | abrotman i already burned debian LiveCD resue |
| 16:52.45 | Muisje | btw md5sum has been tampered |
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| 16:55.46 | Muisje | abrotman, i got coreutils fixed :> |
| 16:55.57 | steve_j | nsadmin sorry to bother: apache's saying that the address is already in use - make_sock can't bind to [::]:80 --- what does that imply? there's nginx on here, but that's not running at the mo |
| 16:56.05 | themill | Muisje: how do you know? |
| 16:56.17 | steve_j | ah ffs |
| 16:56.20 | steve_j | facepalm |
| 16:56.22 | steve_j | sorted |
| 16:56.27 | nsadmin | implies something is listening on 80 |
| 16:56.37 | Muisje | i know what happened, how it happened and why it happened using which accounts on which way. |
| 16:57.00 | Muisje | The person definitly outsmarts me on knowledge of linux, so i'm going to reinstall anyway |
| 16:57.43 | Muisje | Avahi / chroot helper, 2 new user accounts bil / admin with both root rights |
| 16:57.56 | Muisje | security permissions set to prevent root from accessing files |
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| 16:58.59 | Muisje | The most annoying this is, i didn't knew what was replicating itself, but i found it and killed it and now it lets me do whatever i want |
| 16:59.09 | Muisje | Although i'm pretty sure that rebooting will cause the virus to take over again |
| 16:59.58 | chomwitt | is there a debian-live cd with install option ? |
| 17:00.06 | Muisje | !livecd |
| 17:00.06 | dpkg | An operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
| 17:00.47 | chomwitt | Muisje: i tried kde debian live but i could find install option |
| 17:01.06 | Muisje | ehm.. |
| 17:01.10 | chomwitt | couldnt |
| 17:01.15 | Muisje | dpkg debian live |
| 17:01.16 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:01.40 | chomwitt | Muisje: thanks |
| 17:01.42 | Muisje | perhaps this of any help? |
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| 17:03.34 | chomwitt | Muisje: yep. |
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| 17:06.15 | ambuli | any link where i can learn how to create a debian package for hello world program ?? |
| 17:06.17 | PyroPhelia | can somebody give me a link to some different examples of mdadm.conf scripts? I can't find a good tutorial on how it should be laid out |
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| 17:08.31 | pflanze | Hello. Do I have to restart X for newly installed fonts to take effect? |
| 17:08.36 | Ruyan | Hi there, I have a quetion, is mozilla build or mozilla SDK come with debian 5 or i need install it by myself |
| 17:09.04 | pflanze | Or restart the font server? (If that still exists, I don't see it running) |
| 17:09.51 | Anthro | I had postgresql-8.1 installed and proceeded to install postgresql-8.3, expecting an upgrade. Instead, they are now installed side-by-side with separate database stores. How do I transfer my databases from 8.1 to 8.3 so I can be rid of 8.1? |
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| 17:10.55 | pflanze | Ruyan: not sure what the question is / which package you mean; firefox is called iceweasel in Debian, and mozilla is built. Check with aptitude, apt-cache, or packages.debian.org |
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| 17:11.29 | Neozonz | themill, apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/m6875ed1c apt-cache policy git-core: http://pastebin.com/m3f5b8fbf aptitude install git-core: http://pastebin.com/me30512c |
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| 17:11.40 | karrotx | how do you update etch installed spamassasin |
| 17:12.35 | themill | Neozonz: the issue here is that you never completed your upgrade from etch to lenny. You might want to do that first. |
| 17:13.25 | pflanze | karrotx: etch is old, not sure whether even supported anymore by security updates; so very probably only way is to build yourself. |
| 17:13.44 | pflanze | Or upgrade to lenny of course. |
| 17:13.52 | themill | Neozonz: You should follow the procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg etch->lenny. The short summary is: aptitude update ; aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:13.54 | Neozonz | I tried apt-get upgrade, but same thing... |
| 17:14.13 | karrotx | pflanze: i'm referring to sa-update; it installs directly to /var/lib/spamassassin/verison/; but it appears debian built spamassassin in /usr/share/spamassassin |
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| 17:14.31 | karrotx | is it a simple solution to use `sa-update --updatedir /usr/share/spamassassin`? |
| 17:15.03 | pflanze | Maybe lenny will do it right by default already? |
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| 17:15.37 | karrotx | going to lenny is not an option |
| 17:15.57 | pflanze | I know that sa-update isn't that old yet, so I'm even kind of surprised that it's in etch already. |
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| 17:19.53 | Neozonz | themill, it still runs into problems when i try aptitude install aptitude, and I have the option of Y/n/[and one more letter here] |
| 17:20.59 | themill | Neozonz: did you read the release notes? it tells you some of the packages you could expect to have removed at that stage. |
| 17:21.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti karrotx |
| 17:21.01 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, karrotx? |
| 17:21.14 | karrotx | i have, it's very hard to test if you're using the updated rules |
| 17:21.27 | themill | Neozonz: (and in any case, "some problems" is a bit to vague to be useful... you'd need to stick the entire output in a pastebin) |
| 17:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, does sa-update fail? |
| 17:21.39 | karrotx | no; but that does not mean t hat SA is actually using the updates |
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| 17:22.19 | rektide | wpa_passphrase is telling me it'll only take passwords between 8 and 64 characters of length |
| 17:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could run strace -e open sa-update ... to see if it opens the file you want it to |
| 17:22.41 | rektide | the WPA2 network password i'm trying to connect to is only 6 chars longh |
| 17:22.50 | PyroPhelia | are there any security concerns with killing a tty? |
| 17:22.52 | karrotx | CutMeOwnThroat: sa-update downloads updates and places them in a directory; i'd have to trace spamassassin itself |
| 17:23.36 | themill | karrotx: have you read /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/README.Debian.gz by any chance? |
| 17:23.50 | karrotx | themill: no |
| 17:24.01 | themill | karrotx: you might also want to look at spamassassin either from volatile or backports.org (ask dpkg about them) |
| 17:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's not on lenny, I think |
| 17:25.16 | karrotx | SA 3.2.3 on Etch |
| 17:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | etch! |
| 17:25.28 | Neozonz | themill, http://pastebin.com/m7b31775c |
| 17:25.40 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, 3.2.3 is from volatile. |
| 17:25.49 | themill | karrotx: is that from the debian package or self compiled? |
| 17:25.50 | ambuli | Hi all, i m creating a sample debian package. i created a hello-1.0.orig.tar.gz which contains src/hello.c and ran dh_make. Where do i have to mention the compilation option for hello.c ? |
| 17:26.03 | ambuli | kindly help me to understand the basic stuffs. :) |
| 17:26.11 | karrotx | themill: debian compiled |
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| 17:26.23 | karrotx | i am using volatile |
| 17:26.25 | themill | karrotx: then it should just work. |
| 17:26.33 | themill | (does here) |
| 17:26.56 | karrotx | i'm assuming it's working, but with no way to test i thought i'd come here and ask what others do |
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| 17:28.06 | themill | Neozonz: I'd suggest that you keep a note of the packages that it is planning to uninstall at this stage (lines 249 to 269) of your paste and then complete the rest of the etch->lenny process as described above and in the release notes. You can then reinstall the ones you know you need afterwards. |
| 17:28.51 | themill | Neozonz: i.e. so "Y" to aptitude there and then aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade ; aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment xorg openoffice.org |
| 17:30.04 | Floops[w] | i am trying to install pear install DB but keep getting error |
| 17:30.05 | Floops[w] | any ideas |
| 17:30.33 | Floops[w] | pear.php.net is using a unsupported protocal - This should never happen. |
| 17:30.33 | Floops[w] | install failed |
| 17:30.36 | Floops[w] | i am not sure why |
| 17:31.06 | Neozonz | awesome cool :) |
| 17:31.55 | Neozonz | themill, just one more question, for some reason xorg has been installed on this server... not sure how but... how would i go about uninstalling xorg and the gui components that may have been installed? |
| 17:32.40 | PyroPhelia | is there a command that will give me a hostname of an ip on a lan? |
| 17:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ambuli, uh... in the makefile? That isn't necessarily a step in packaging |
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| 17:33.37 | Neozonz | PyroPhelia, nslookup |
| 17:33.41 | Neozonz | then ip |
| 17:33.49 | themill | Neozonz: /msg dpkg remove gnome ; /msg dpkg remove x (and don't reinstall those ones afterwards!) |
| 17:33.51 | PyroPhelia | much appreciated |
| 17:34.19 | PyroPhelia | hm, it seems that only works if the hostname is in hosts.conf. |
| 17:34.22 | Neozonz | themill, what's the difference between dpkg remove and apt-get remove? |
| 17:34.26 | PyroPhelia | is there a way I can dig for it on the network? |
| 17:34.42 | SRabbelier | Heya, I just got this message while running apittude safe-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/f689883fb, does this mean that I should wait switching to the new kernel till the firmware-iwlifi guys catch up, or can I ignore it since I already have non-free added? |
| 17:34.43 | ukl | hello. Using testing, I fail writing anything on a ntfs drive -- even as root, sda5 mounted rw -- What could be the cause? (I just read something about policykit forbidding access but I thought this only affected non-root users) |
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| 17:35.04 | themill | Neozonz: dpkg is a bot to which you can send these messages. You'll actually end up using "aptitude purge x11-common" etc |
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| 17:35.14 | Neozonz | ah okay, :P |
| 17:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ukl -about ntfs3g |
| 17:35.53 | Neozonz | themill, now one more question would this remove openoffice crap as well? :o |
| 17:36.40 | ukl | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, I'll give it a try |
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| 17:36.57 | rektide | my wireless password is only 6 chars, yet i get a "passphrase must be 8..64 characters" error from wpa_passphrase |
| 17:37.01 | rektide | help |
| 17:37.07 | rektide | wpa_passphrase didnt used to do this |
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| 17:37.38 | SRabbelier | rektide: change your wireless password? ;) |
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| 17:37.56 | rektide | fuckyou |
| 17:37.59 | rektide | ;) |
| 17:38.06 | Keenan | hi, how do I stop mysqld on debian-50-lenny , getting Too many arguments |
| 17:38.14 | SRabbelier | rektide: it does give that warning for a reason |
| 17:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide, that's only 7 characters |
| 17:38.26 | PyroPhelia | Keenan, /etc/init.d/mysqld stop |
| 17:38.39 | rektide | it didnt used to give that warning and its fucking the worst god damned design decision imaginable |
| 17:38.43 | rektide | a warning, maybe understandable |
| 17:38.48 | rektide | but preventing users from connecting to the net |
| 17:38.55 | rektide | is dumb |
| 17:39.08 | ambuli | CutMeOwnThroat, Ah. ok. i have added in the makefile and i ran dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, and i have got the following error http://paste.pocoo.org/show/168438/ |
| 17:39.10 | SRabbelier | rektide: seriously though, mind your language |
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| 17:39.17 | Keenan | PyroPhelia: that when I get the Too many arguments :p |
| 17:39.29 | rektide | well you're seriously playing with me and being useless |
| 17:39.38 | rektide | if i care to put it in more civil terms |
| 17:39.53 | SRabbelier | rektide: you were free to ignore me, but it was a serious suggestion |
| 17:40.19 | PyroPhelia | Keenan, 1 sec |
| 17:40.38 | Keenan | PyroPhelia: tnx :) |
| 17:41.13 | PyroPhelia | what is the exactly line your running? |
| 17:41.14 | pflanze | rektide: the problem is that short wpa passwords can be cracked easily and automatically; either suggest the operator to set a new password, or maybe hack the sourcecode to comment out the error? |
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| 17:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ambuli, well, you don't HAVE a makefile? |
| 17:41.44 | PyroPhelia | I'm not on my debian box, but it should be ~#:/etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 17:41.54 | rektide | the problem is |
| 17:41.59 | ambuli | CutMeOwnThroat, i have included in src directory . |
| 17:42.00 | rektide | wpa_passphrase is for connecting to other peopls networks |
| 17:42.04 | rektide | not building or setting up your own |
| 17:42.09 | PyroPhelia | if not gimme a sec to login to my deb box |
| 17:42.18 | rektide | so enforcing password restrictions at the wpa_passphrase level is the most brain dead decision imaginable |
| 17:42.37 | pflanze | rektide: agreed, dunno why it is this way. Maybe no sane or correct wpa router accepts passwords shorter than 8 chars? |
| 17:42.40 | rektide | and someone should be phyiscally mamed for even thinking of forcing password restrictions in wpa_passphrase |
| 17:43.04 | rektide | i have 27 wireless passphrases less than 8 characters in my wpa_supplicant.conf; obviously many routers do |
| 17:43.23 | rektide | (the password lenght restriction is apparently a new "feature") |
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| 17:43.27 | pflanze | rektide: also, have you tried setting the password in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? |
| 17:43.28 | Keenan | PyroPhelia: etc/init.d/mysql stop gives me Unknow database lol |
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| 17:43.38 | PyroPhelia | ... |
| 17:43.44 | pflanze | rektide: stop arguing, it won't help :) |
| 17:43.54 | rektide | i have nothing else to do while i'm compiling |
| 17:44.03 | rektide | with the retarded check omiited |
| 17:44.09 | rektide | and you all are wrong |
| 17:44.14 | rektide | blatantly horrifically insanely wrong |
| 17:44.23 | rektide | if you think its at all permissible for wpa_passphrase |
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| 17:44.41 | pflanze | rektide: arguing this way doesn't help, again. |
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| 17:44.55 | pflanze | rektide: because there's probably no wpa author here anyway, man. |
| 17:45.05 | rektide | help? righteousness needs no assistance |
| 17:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide, well, so fucking file a bug report? |
| 17:45.27 | jimcooncat | nor company |
| 17:45.49 | rektide | yes with a patch. now that i have recompiled and have net access again... as soon as i manually type this 64 char key on my other computer |
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| 17:46.17 | nsadmin | rektide it's offtopic, and if you don't need help, then you're only here to argue... |
| 17:46.48 | PyroPhelia | Keenan, if you can't shut it down cleanly with any init.d scripts you'll need to login to your db with mysql -u DBUSERNAME -h DBSERVER -p DBNAME |
| 17:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | +wpasupplicant (0.5.5-2) unstable; urgency=low * Add ishex() function to functions.sh to determine wpa-psk value type in plaintext or hex. This effectively eliminates the need for the bogus and somewhat confusing wpa-passphrase contruct specific to our scripts and allows wpa-psk to work with either a 8 to 63 character long plaintext string or 64 character long hex string |
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| 17:49.13 | Keenan | PuroPhelia: thank you, will try |
| 17:49.34 | nsadmin | there's big holes in that statement... |
| 17:49.43 | nsadmin | and they're made of spaces... |
| 17:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I only removed the newlines and the +ses |
| 17:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, looks to me like this is just a warning without further consequence |
| 17:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least at the place the warning is issued, nothing else happens |
| 17:53.26 | abrotman | puts Muisje on ignore ... |
| 17:53.40 | Muisje | why? :o |
| 17:54.34 | Hyperzid | How do I make a service start at boot time? |
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| 17:54.55 | Hyperzid | So I dont need to issue /etc/init.d/service start |
| 17:55.04 | oggei | Hyperzid: with update-rc.d |
| 17:55.25 | valdyn | Hyperzid: they are started by default |
| 17:55.44 | valdyn | Hyperzid: if they are not started by default then that is due to a config setting in /etc/default/ usually |
| 17:56.06 | valdyn | Hyperzid: and generally due to a lack of configuration |
| 17:56.39 | oggei | valdyn: if op normally issues a initd start then service is configured correctly, maybe is simply not debian packaged |
| 17:57.05 | Hyperzid | valdyn, I think i've stopped the service from bootup long time ago.. |
| 17:57.44 | Hyperzid | at the moment its started at runlevel 2-5.. is that correct? |
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| 17:59.04 | valdyn | Hyperzid: reinstall the package that provides the startup scripts |
| 17:59.19 | valdyn | Hyperzid: using update-rc.d you would probably get rc order wrong |
| 17:59.23 | Keenan | PyroPhelia: tnx, I figured it out though, but I'm not writing what I did wrong here :D |
| 17:59.35 | Hyperzid | Starting web server: apache2apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/000_auth_pgsql.load: No such file or directory |
| 18:00.11 | careta | hi guys |
| 18:00.58 | careta | I created a udev script to run a service when I plug my USB dvb card. It works nicely. However, when I boot I'm having very long delays. Can someone please help me debug this? the script is here http://pastebin.com/m6442a4b4 |
| 18:01.29 | Hyperzid | I fixed it |
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| 18:09.48 | oggei | valdyn: anyway update-rc.d uses very sane defaults, afaik installed on postinst in /var/lib/update-rc.d |
| 18:10.25 | oggei | eg /var/lib/update-rc.d/hal : update-rc.d hal start 24 2 3 4 5 . stop 16 1 . |
| 18:12.11 | jimcooncat | careta, how about changing your RUN to an at command which starts the vdr script, say, 10 seconds later? |
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| 18:12.51 | jimcooncat | careta: never mind, brain fart |
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| 18:17.00 | careta | jimcooncat, the WAIT_FOR thing is that is delaying the boot process. any way I can replace it? |
| 18:18.34 | jimcooncat | I'm wondering if you could postpone startup of the whole udev daemon until after boot. I don't know how that works though. |
| 18:20.00 | cheako | Hello, what's it called when you take your public key and generate a little block of ascii art to be used as a fingerprint? |
| 18:20.13 | cheako | ...and how do you do it for a GPG key? |
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| 18:20.43 | jhutchins_lt | cheako: It's called "signing" something. |
| 18:20.44 | cheako | How can a GPG key be made to work with ssh, I've seen this done. |
| 18:20.44 | oggei | cheako: search for "ascii armored" gpg output |
| 18:20.52 | oggei | sorry, in gpg man |
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| 18:22.00 | oggei | jhutchins_lt: in gpg signing normally produces a binary file |
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| 18:22.25 | cheako | oggei: Sorry, ascii armored output of a GPG fingerprint would just be the string of 20 bytes of hex. |
| 18:22.56 | cheako | oggei: Ohh, I'm talking about the fingerprint used during the key signing process. |
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| 18:23.19 | cheako | For example: 504A 8159 F493 2CE5 0DCE B196 1678 37A3 C1DA 1FAA |
| 18:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
| 18:23.57 | cheako | http://rrr.thetruth.de/2008/07/openssh-51-and-ascii-art-fingerprints/ |
| 18:24.06 | jimcooncat | careta: I noticed something interesting in my /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules |
| 18:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it would help if you could make up your mind what it is you want to ask |
| 18:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse me |
| 18:24.18 | dpkg | Yes, those was my pants today, cutmeownthroat? Pants of the People's Republic of Mongolia with extra cream. |
| 18:24.20 | jimcooncat | careta: http://pastebin.com/ma44c641 |
| 18:25.16 | cheako | ...that's sweet. |
| 18:25.20 | jimcooncat | careta: maybe this "start-stop-daemon" idea would help you. Disclaimer: I'm using Ubuntu |
| 18:25.29 | cheako | but how can I do it with my GPG key? |
| 18:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | why the hell would you want to check an ssh fingerprint |
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| 18:26.43 | cheako | CutMeOwnThroat: To check for yourself there is no man in the middle. |
| 18:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're all in known_hosts and ssh does it for me |
| 18:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course there is that first connect I do once in a century |
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| 18:27.36 | cheako | This would check if your .ssh folder was pwond, but granted if the ssh binary is owned then it's worthless. |
| 18:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... for that surely a man waited in the middle for 50 years |
| 18:28.42 | cheako | CutMeOwnThroat: Any way... I'm not talking about ssh, my question is about GPG. I'd like to add my fingerprint and one of these to my signature. |
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| 18:30.29 | CaBa | hi |
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| 18:33.29 | cheako | ne1 know evolution 2.22.3.1, how to get GPG going? Signing a message to start with. |
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| 18:36.10 | tal | I'm trying to install debian on my netbook with no desktop environment, so command line only. I've tried booting the standard install iso from my pen drive, but the installer looks for my cdrom, decides there isn;t one, and errors. I've tried using the netinst image (which is actually better for me) but none of the mirrors are working for me, it asks me for the proxy info (I have no proxy info) then it declares that every mirror is a bad mirror. |
| 18:36.11 | tal | Any help? |
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| 18:37.47 | cheako | tal: Once you have the bootable installer setup you need to place a debian iso onto the drive. |
| 18:38.31 | cheako | What is the size of the pen drive? This is where I had problems. |
| 18:39.28 | tal | cheako, 8 gigabytes, |
| 18:39.42 | cheako | tal: kk, not a problem then. |
| 18:40.01 | cheako | Feel free to use a debian DVD iso, the first iso is all you need. |
| 18:40.06 | tal | cheako, Put the cd on the drive? |
| 18:40.22 | cheako | tal: Correct, like a normal file. |
| 18:40.35 | cheako | The boot process will find the iso and use it. |
| 18:41.05 | cheako | tal: Re-read the instructions ;) |
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| 18:41.49 | tal | I just used unetbootin...these are the files on the drive |
| 18:42.00 | tal | ldlinux.sys ubninit vesamenu.c32 syslinux.cfg ubnkern |
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| 18:43.04 | tal | cheako, That's how I did it lat time though. Putting the boot.img file on the drive with the 503 standard iso |
| 18:43.11 | tal | It had the same error |
| 18:43.26 | tal | I've been trying for three days now if I'm honest |
| 18:44.22 | Anthro | I had postgresql-8.1 installed and proceeded to install postgresql-8.3, expecting an upgrade. Instead, they are now installed side-by-side with separate database stores. How do I transfer my databases from 8.1 to 8.3 so I can be rid of 8.1? |
| 18:44.59 | jimcooncat | Anthro: do a dump? |
| 18:45.48 | Anthro | jimcooncat: There isn't a more automated way? I can do that, if necessary. I was just hoping for an easier approach. |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | Anthro: something like pg_upgradecluster ? |
| 18:46.23 | Anthro | abrotman: I'll look into it. |
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| 18:47.22 | jimcooncat | Anthro: pg_dumpall backs up each database in a given cluster, and also preserves cluster-wide data such as users and groups. |
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| 18:47.33 | jimcooncat | that looks pretty automated to me |
| 18:48.17 | Anthro | jimcooncat: Sounds reasonable. |
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| 18:49.18 | abrotman | Anthro: did you find the pg_upgradecluster ? |
| 18:49.26 | weaselkeeper | is there a debian equivalent to RH firstboot package? |
| 18:49.43 | weaselkeeper | something that you can set to run on firstboot, but is ignored after that / |
| 18:49.44 | abrotman | weaselkeeper: which does what ? |
| 18:49.56 | Anthro | abrotman: It's on the stack, but right now I'm talking down my pregnancy-hormone-addled wife. |
| 18:50.07 | abrotman | Anthro: well, you have fun with that |
| 18:50.17 | weaselkeeper | Anthro :P |
| 18:50.43 | Hydroxide | sympathizes with, and waves at, Anthro |
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| 18:53.12 | weaselkeeper | failing that, is there a way to trigger a "run on next boot" short of writing my own ouroborus script and tossing it in init? |
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| 18:54.58 | jhutchins_lt | weaselkeeper: if exist runflag then run script. Delete runflag on success. Test for runflag each boot. |
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| 18:55.16 | jhutchins_lt | That's how fsck does it. |
| 18:55.34 | weaselkeeper | yeah, I was hoping to cheat :P |
| 18:55.47 | codingrobot | I'm running a vanilla 2.6.33-rc5 kernel and ever since 2.6.31 I have the problem that after booting the tty is not tty1, but a random number 2 to 6. Thats the same bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562025 |
| 18:55.56 | weaselkeeper | thanks jhutchins_lt |
| 18:56.04 | codingrobot | does anyone experienced such a problem? |
| 18:56.17 | jimcooncat | jhutchins_lt: to delete runflag on success, it's like "dothisthing && rm runflag"? |
| 18:57.29 | jhutchins_lt | jimcooncat: That or a more overt test for exit code, like "if [dothisthing] rm runflag". Not sure of the exact syntax off the top of my head. |
| 18:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | Take a look at the init scripts, see how they do it. |
| 18:58.00 | jimcooncat | thanks jhutchins_lt and adds that to his bag of tricks |
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| 19:01.08 | bolt | I have a very strange problem on squeeze. /etc/rc.local only runs on about 1 of 5 boots. I'm having it touch a file in /root/ just to test this, and it does not appear when the other commands aren't run either, and it's at the top of the script. What could be going on? |
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| 19:04.06 | weaselkeeper | is rc.local executable on all the boxes? |
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| 19:04.22 | bolt | yes, but it's only 1 box i have this problem on |
| 19:04.42 | bolt | and the fact that it works every 5 boots or so on that box is so damn annoying |
| 19:04.59 | weaselkeeper | yeah, that's wierd |
| 19:05.48 | jimcooncat | bolt: so what are you keeping in your rc.local? |
| 19:06.12 | bolt | jimcooncat: a few autossh tunnels, which in most cases don't start, which is why i started putting a touch in there |
| 19:06.30 | bolt | jimcooncat: i've got a the same ones in rc.local on another box, and they start fine |
| 19:06.53 | bolt | but, as i said, in 1 of 5 boots or so, they start |
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| 19:07.59 | jimcooncat | If I understand correctly, rc.local runs after rc*.d -- maybe your rc*.d isn't finishing? |
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| 19:09.26 | bolt | jimcooncat: there's a /etc/rc2.d/S24rc.local , so it should be run there |
| 19:10.30 | leejongwook | how do i goto another topic within a man page ? |
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| 19:11.39 | sepult | manpages are flat, you can't |
| 19:11.45 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
| 19:11.51 | sepult | info pages have nodes though |
| 19:12.05 | leejongwook | :) |
| 19:12.14 | sepult | you press m for it |
| 19:12.28 | leejongwook | it says mark: |
| 19:12.34 | sepult | yes |
| 19:12.38 | bolt | hm.. google says if one of the things running before rc.local fails, it might not get there, as you said |
| 19:12.58 | bolt | i'll try keeping a close eye on the boot and see if i can see anything important-looking failing |
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| 19:13.32 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 19:13.36 | jimcooncat | So if you have a bad S20ssh, it hangs, and S24rc.local doesn't run. That's what I thought might happen. |
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| 19:14.51 | jimcooncat | bolt: you could try renaming some of these scripts S* to K* to see what's hanging |
| 19:15.18 | bolt | of course it worked this time around |
| 19:15.20 | bolt | rebooting again |
| 19:16.02 | jimcooncat | or maybe there's a log of this activity somewhere? (I'm a noob here) |
| 19:16.51 | infid | if you set up RSA keys using ssh-keygen and set PasswordAuthentication no and UsePAM no in /etc/ssh_conf does that mean you can't enter a password anymore when ssh'ing in and if so is that safer or more dangerous? i'm finding mixed info on this by googling |
| 19:18.21 | llutz | infid: safer if not using keys without passphrase |
| 19:18.39 | jimcooncat | infid: if I read your post right, I'd say it was safer from brute-force attacks, but more prone to your losing access to it |
| 19:18.56 | infid | so disable password auth as far as logging in goes, but not as far as a ssh key? ie set a password when running 'ssh-keygen'? |
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| 19:19.26 | infid | i wont lose access since this is just for a LAN i have full control over at home |
| 19:19.53 | infid | that i will eventually allow only my work computer to access from the internet |
| 19:19.59 | jimcooncat | infid: if your only key gets corrupted, and there's no password, then ... |
| 19:20.59 | jimcooncat | infid: I have both, but I only use the key. I set the password to something really difficult, write it down, lock it away. |
| 19:21.18 | jimcooncat | a password never used can never get snooped |
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| 19:21.48 | infid | i'd prefer to not have to ever type a password when only logging in from my home network |
| 19:22.02 | infid | and supposedly it's safer since no password means you can't brute force. this is all i'm wondering |
| 19:22.54 | jimcooncat | infid: I don't recall the setup, but my passphrase is the same as my login password, and PAM unlocks the key for me |
| 19:23.06 | infid | right that's the default |
| 19:23.33 | infid | i just mainly want to know if i should enter a password when generating keys with ssh-keygen |
| 19:23.51 | infid | if i have UsePAM no and PasswordAuthentication no |
| 19:24.03 | infid | i guess i should just try it and see |
| 19:24.17 | infid | it's hard to communicate this on irc |
| 19:24.19 | zenjuzu | I don't think you need to use the password with ssh-keygen |
| 19:24.34 | zenjuzu | I use password-less ssh authentication and I don't use the password feature. |
| 19:25.34 | jimcooncat | thinks the nomenclature is screwed up -- difference between a password and a passphrase |
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| 19:26.31 | Neozonz | I was upgrading aptitude on a ssh box, and it restarted network interfaces in the process and when I resshd in it doesn't show the apt-upgrade on screen but i see the dpkg running under processes, how do i change the view so I see the onscreen progress? |
| 19:26.47 | infid | so you can use both. you can have passwordauthentication disabled and yet still have a passphrase for your keys |
| 19:26.54 | infid | that way if your key is ever stolen someone still has to type a password for it |
| 19:26.56 | infid | ? |
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| 19:27.51 | jimcooncat | Neozonz: I don't think that you can get back to that session (if it's even still running). but you can use screen next time. |
| 19:28.08 | Neozonz | screen? |
| 19:28.10 | Neozonz | next time? |
| 19:28.23 | infid | gnu screen |
| 19:28.38 | Neozonz | sorry I'm not following... |
| 19:29.04 | jimcooncat | Neozonz: yeah, start your session using "screen". Then if you get disconnected, you can "screen -r" and be right back in the same place. |
| 19:29.35 | Neozonz | I get a command not found when using screen |
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| 19:29.46 | adb | install it |
| 19:29.54 | Neozonz | lol |
| 19:29.57 | Neozonz | alright |
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| 19:32.09 | dokma | I can't get microphone working on my compaq 610 with debian lenny and alsa |
| 19:32.29 | dokma | can anyone give some good tip how to go about it? |
| 19:32.42 | dokma | output works fine |
| 19:38.14 | Ruyan | i used to install alsa-driver, alsa-lib, alsa-util and working perfect |
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| 19:39.00 | Dawgmatix | I am trying to setup a baseline virtual machine whcih I can clone as desired. Any pointers on how to setup things so that when the first time it boots up it creates ssh keys / adds some users / does some other initialization ... |
| 19:39.01 | keith4 | so, I'm setting up a debian mirror. I'm testing a few debian VMs against it. One seems to work fine, one gets a bunch of 404s. The one that works is requesting "Packages" or "Sources", and getting the bzip or gzip file. The one that doesn't work is requesting "Sources.diff", and failing |
| 19:39.08 | mutante | dokma: sure the mixer is not just turned down? i remember how i always had to use "aumix" to turn up the mixer, when i first thought sound does not work |
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| 19:40.30 | adb | unmute/raise cap(ture) in alsamixer or so |
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| 19:41.30 | M | hi |
| 19:41.42 | M | name of the apache2ctl package? |
| 19:41.47 | keith4 | Why does one apt request gzips and the other request diffs? |
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| 19:43.39 | abrotman | did you turn off pdiffs on one ? |
| 19:43.46 | abrotman | !tell m about apt-file |
| 19:43.48 | nsadmin | m: g.c |
| 19:44.05 | nsadmin | err google.com |
| 19:45.16 | M | OK |
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| 19:45.45 | nsadmin | always the single-letter replies... |
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| 19:46.59 | zorrolero | M: apache2-utils, btw: http://packages.debian.org/ might also be a good place to search for package-content.) |
| 19:47.28 | zorrolero | M: argh, it's apache2.2-common |
| 19:47.28 | keith4 | abrotman: i don't think so. maybe? how do I do that and/or check? |
| 19:47.42 | keith4 | more importantly, how do I get my mirror to serve diffs? |
| 19:47.47 | abrotman | !tell keith4 about pdiff |
| 19:48.07 | M | zorrolero: thank you |
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| 19:48.54 | keith4 | pdiff's not disabled, on either VM |
| 19:49.05 | Dawgmatix | I am trying to setup a baseline virtual machine whcih I can clone as desired. Any pointers on how to setup things so that when the first time it boots up it creates ssh keys / adds some users / does some other initialization ... |
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| 19:55.16 | Elshar | I've got this "deleting unreferenced inode" stuff in my dmesg referring to the same inodes over and over again, is it a sign of a drive dying or something? Pastebin here: http://debian.pastebin.com/d7be1d682 |
| 19:55.55 | Elshar | Looks like the particular bit in the pastebin repeats 22 times total. |
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| 19:58.51 | project2501a | hey guys. i got an issue with skype: i can send out video, but i can't see my own video on the skype window. the cam works, i've tested it with luvcview, and i can see a (laventer) version of myself |
| 19:59.04 | project2501a | any clues, would be highly appreciated |
| 19:59.05 | tnks | I recently put myself on 2.6.32, and the network configuration seems restricted now. |
| 19:59.31 | tnks | I put up a vncserver, and I can only reach it from localhost:1, not hostname:1 |
| 19:59.34 | keith4 | abrotman: whoops, i was wrong. thanks for the hint about PDiffs |
| 19:59.47 | Elshar | Is it listening on localhost:1? |
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| 20:00.58 | confusid | Hello, I installed from a debian dvd and tried to install xchat with apt-get install xchat and it is asking for the dvd. Can I change the install path from the dvd to a mirror? |
| 20:01.07 | tnks | for that matter, 'vncviewer 127.0.0.1:1' doesn't even work. . . only 'vncviewer localhost:1' |
| 20:01.13 | tnks | what gives? |
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| 20:01.27 | tnks | also, another app is having network problems. |
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| 20:03.14 | cheako | Is there a .signature file or any thing... standard? I'm talking for the text appended by default to the end of an email. |
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| 20:05.31 | bolt | jimcooncat: you were absolutely right. a custom service running on this box sometimes didn't start properly. it has a watchdog running, so it would be immediately started again and thus is up by the time the system is ready for logins, but when it failed the first time, rc.local wouldn't run |
| 20:06.14 | bolt | confusid: yes. check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:06.22 | bolt | comment out the dvd lines from there |
| 20:07.02 | bolt | if you set up a mirror during install, you should be fine from there. otherwise you need to add one (check if you have additional lines in the file referring to a mirror) |
| 20:07.15 | bolt | oh, and do run "apt-get update" after poking that file |
| 20:07.33 | jimcooncat | bolt -- good deal, you were smart to track that down |
| 20:08.08 | bolt | :D |
| 20:08.16 | bolt | jimcooncat: thanks for putting me on the right track |
| 20:08.16 | project2501a | cheako: no. |
| 20:08.38 | jimcooncat | bolt -- beginner's luck |
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| 20:13.34 | pflanze | I've installed the mathematica-fonts package from unstable on lenny (recompiled), and now I've got files like |
| 20:13.41 | pflanze | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.23 | pflanze | but somehow when I start openoffice on some .doc that uses Mathematica1 it will still display those box character it shows as replacement for missing characters. |
| 20:14.32 | pflanze | This is after a reboot of my system. |
| 20:14.48 | confusid | bolt ty |
| 20:14.50 | pflanze | So what's missing there? What do I have to do so that openoffice will be able to use this font? |
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| 20:16.42 | Serialtueur | bonjour, qulqu'un peut m'aider sur ubuntu ? |
| 20:16.52 | zleap | yuk, a word processor for maths, LaTeX ftw, much nicer |
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| 20:17.22 | Serialtueur | j'ai besoin d'aide sur ubuntu plz |
| 20:17.43 | Zesturian | How can I install a package's dependencies, but not the actual package please? apt-get build-dep doesn't seem to include all the ones that get installed when the package is installed. |
| 20:17.49 | Serialtueur | personne ne connait Ubuntu ? |
| 20:17.56 | Serialtueur | J'aivraiment besoin di |
| 20:17.58 | Serialtueur | daide |
| 20:18.03 | Serialtueur | je capte rien a Ubuntu |
| 20:19.09 | Serialtueur | Ya quelqu'un ? |
| 20:19.23 | Serialtueur | j'arrive pas a installer Ubuntu, plz aidez moi |
| 20:19.41 | Serialtueur | ya personne sur ce chan ou quoi? |
| 20:20.10 | mutante | Zesturian: hmm, first 'apt-cache show <package name> | grep Depends:' and then 'apt-get install <every packagenam that was in the first list>' ? |
| 20:20.22 | Serialtueur | Ohé, pourquoi personne vaut m'aider ? |
| 20:20.36 | Serialtueur | besoin d'aide |
| 20:20.37 | Serialtueur | plz |
| 20:20.44 | Serialtueur | j'arrive pas a installer Ubuntu |
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| 20:22.41 | Serialtueur | svp quelqu'un peut m'aider, j'arrive pas a installer ubuntu |
| 20:22.44 | Serialtueur | aidez moi plz |
| 20:22.47 | Serialtueur | j'y arrive pas |
| 20:22.49 | Serialtueur | je comprend rien |
| 20:22.51 | Serialtueur | j'ai un bug |
| 20:22.52 | Serialtueur | avec |
| 20:22.54 | Serialtueur | mon écran |
| 20:22.58 | Serialtueur | jcapte rien |
| 20:23.02 | Zesturian | Ah, just the manual way. Thanks mutante, I can probably hack together a one liner :p |
| 20:23.12 | Serialtueur | kestudi toi ? |
| 20:23.35 | mutante | Zesturian: yes, i was about to add some | head -n1 | cut ... etc.. but was too lazy to finish it all :) |
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| 20:23.46 | Serialtueur | WTF ? |
| 20:23.51 | nsadmin | !fr |
| 20:23.51 | Serialtueur | kes vous racontez ? |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:23.52 | prince_jammys | Serialtueur: /join #ubuntu-fr |
| 20:24.06 | Serialtueur | les gens, je comprend rien, quelqu'un peut m'aider |
| 20:24.10 | Serialtueur | a installer Ubuntu |
| 20:24.16 | Serialtueur | je suis ptetre un peu noob |
| 20:24.21 | Serialtueur | c'est quoi ubuntu-fr ? |
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| 20:24.26 | Serialtueur | c'est qui dpkg ? |
| 20:24.30 | prince_jammys | an irc channel. |
| 20:24.38 | prince_jammys | ... that you should join. |
| 20:24.38 | Serialtueur | ah dac |
| 20:24.43 | Serialtueur | ah dac |
| 20:24.44 | mutante | Serialtueur: c'est un bot |
| 20:24.48 | Serialtueur | et si j'ai pas envie ? |
| 20:25.02 | jvogel | hi |
| 20:25.09 | jvogel | how cani find a package's details in unstable |
| 20:25.12 | Serialtueur | bon j'arrête de vous emmerder plus longtemps, c'était quand même marrant :D |
| 20:25.15 | jvogel | like i can aptitude show package |
| 20:25.23 | jvogel | but how can i get unstable's details so ic an figure out package version |
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| 20:29.04 | tabashco | jvogel: you can search for the package on packages.debian.org |
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| 20:30.32 | tuvwx | what's this new -trunk- kernel in testing? |
| 20:30.56 | nsadmin | it's for elephants and movers |
| 20:30.56 | jvogel | Yea i know tabashco |
| 20:30.59 | jvogel | I want something on the command line |
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| 20:31.54 | nsadmin | jvogel get the source, extract it, look at debian/control |
| 20:32.14 | jvogel | :x |
| 20:32.16 | jvogel | damn |
| 20:32.18 | jvogel | thats not easy |
| 20:32.20 | tuvwx | is it because kernel 2.6.32 isn't released yet? this looks new to debian |
| 20:32.27 | nsadmin | sure it is |
| 20:32.29 | abrotman | it has been released |
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| 20:32.43 | jvogel | nsadmin: pulling the source down, just to know wtf version it is |
| 20:32.47 | tabashco | you could add testing to your sources.list, update, and then use aptitude -t |
| 20:32.59 | jvogel | I have everything in my sources.list |
| 20:33.03 | jvogel | testing, unstable, experimntal |
| 20:33.04 | nsadmin | then go to packages.debian.org |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | taht's .. dumb |
| 20:33.14 | jvogel | abrotman: why? |
| 20:33.24 | abrotman | do you actually understand it? |
| 20:33.26 | jvogel | /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:33.28 | jvogel | yes |
| 20:33.30 | abrotman | so? |
| 20:33.31 | nsadmin | you could screw your system pretty badly |
| 20:33.37 | abrotman | it's unnecessary |
| 20:33.40 | jvogel | no it's not |
| 20:33.52 | jvogel | everything is pulled from testing 98% of the time |
| 20:33.54 | jvogel | unless its not there |
| 20:33.57 | jvogel | in which case i'm aware |
| 20:34.03 | jvogel | and it pulls from unstable / experimntal |
| 20:34.13 | tuvwx | abrotman: then what does -trunk- signify in the new kernel packages in testing: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 ? |
| 20:34.13 | nsadmin | it's not just unnecessary, it could damage your system |
| 20:34.18 | jvogel | and also i like being able to install from unstable |
| 20:34.35 | jvogel | debian is not in such a good state right now |
| 20:34.42 | jvogel | imo so a lot of shit just doesn't work |
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| 20:34.46 | nsadmin | when you want newer stuff, you would do this: |
| 20:34.46 | jvogel | and im like f that i'll install unstable |
| 20:34.47 | jvogel | and that works |
| 20:34.51 | nsadmin | !ssb |
| 20:34.51 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 20:35.06 | abrotman | tuvwx: the ABI is supposedly unstable at this point .. from what i understand .. let me see if i can find it (again) |
| 20:35.17 | jvogel | nsadmin: what's wrong with unstable |
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| 20:35.45 | nsadmin | nothing by itself, but it has its own libs that stuff in unstable links to |
| 20:35.46 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 20:35.47 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | tuvwx: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/12/msg00056.html |
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| 20:36.38 | tuvwx | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:37.26 | nsadmin | oh, that's the name of the transporter accident between kneelix and tuvok |
| 20:39.36 | tuvwx | abrotman: are there any risks using the new -trunk- kernel, or should i stick to 2.6.30? |
| 20:39.52 | abrotman | tuvwx: as much as upgrading any other kernel i suppose |
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| 20:40.25 | orudie | how would I archive a directory with all subdirectories and then later unarchive it ? |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | tuvwx: you're running testing/unstable .. this is what you've signed up for |
| 20:40.46 | llutz | orudie: tar |
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| 20:41.01 | dkr | orudie: tar zcf archive.tgz dir later tar zxf archive.tgz |
| 20:41.04 | nsadmin | orudie tar and possibly gzip or bzip2 |
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| 20:42.03 | dkr | orudie: or you could a backup system like rdiff-backup so you can retrieve a version from any specific date in the past |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | orudie: did you mean to preserve permissions ? |
| 20:42.30 | orudie | abrotman, no |
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| 20:44.14 | orudie | nsadmin, so how would i do it with either gzip or bzip2 ? I would prefer the archive to become .zip |
| 20:44.37 | nsadmin | zips won't do what you want |
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| 20:45.10 | orudie | are you saying that .zip cant contain subdirectories ? |
| 20:46.01 | nsadmin | no, but if you extract a zip you won't get the same thing you started with, it usually unzips a bunch of files in the dir you're in |
| 20:46.16 | nsadmin | but if you want zip, by all means use it |
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| 20:46.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | not if there's subdirectories zipped in it |
| 20:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is "man zip", though |
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| 20:47.37 | nsadmin | so you went from a general spec and you later changed it to using zip specifically |
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| 20:48.25 | jpinx-eeepc | could someone please point me in the right direction for getting wifi to work with my eeepc? here's what I am getting when I try to install the driver -> http://pastebin.com/df5c98f2 |
| 20:49.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not very informative |
| 20:49.44 | nsadmin | that |
| 20:49.45 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 20:49.58 | nsadmin | err that's not "installing" |
| 20:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd call it "fiddeling around" |
| 20:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 20:50.19 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 20:50.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - so what am I missing ? |
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| 20:50.47 | nsadmin | well what's the pciid of the wireless? |
| 20:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, /msg dpkg what's my wireless, make sure you know what's called... |
| 20:51.20 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: run depmod? |
| 20:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got rt2860sta already loaded... |
| 20:52.07 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: what dooes depmod output? |
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| 20:52.31 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry tht was for cahoot: |
| 20:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, normally nothing? it just writes out the kernel module dependencies |
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| 20:53.11 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: depmod output nothing |
| 20:54.05 | jpinx-eeepc | lspci | grep wireless output nothing :( |
| 20:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I said! |
| 20:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not what <what's my wireless> suggests |
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| 20:55.37 | jpinx-eeepc | installing hwinfo now.... |
| 20:56.19 | nsadmin | I'd suggest you look thru the output of lspci -nn |
| 20:56.27 | jpinx-eeepc | /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan also output nothing |
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| 20:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got no wireless! |
| 20:57.24 | nsadmin | grepping without knowing what's actually there is a fishing expedition (nothing wrong with that, especially when you're fishing) |
| 20:57.28 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: lspci -nn has no refernce to anything wireless |
| 20:57.54 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan also output nothing |
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| 20:59.52 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/f7e70788f |
| 21:00.04 | thms | Hello, I just upgraded from lenny to sqeeze, now aptitude tells me I need to upgrade my kernel before installing the new version of udev, how can I do to get the latest kernel ? aptitude safe-upgrade doesnt work anymore, it just says "resolving dependencies" for a thousand of times and never stops |
| 21:01.35 | thms | anyone can help ? |
| 21:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you got no wireless! |
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| 21:03.05 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: how do I find it? |
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| 21:09.32 | bolt | thms: which kernel are you running now? |
| 21:09.38 | bolt | thms: and how did you "upgrade"? |
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| 21:10.36 | thms | How can I upgrade my kernel in order not to break my kernel with the udev update ? |
| 21:11.04 | bolt | thms: you can start by answering questions :) |
| 21:11.05 | Zesturian | Heh mutante, I throw together a quick one liner, unfortunately one of the packages is virtual, which brings it to a halt. |
| 21:11.09 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: is this any better? http://pastebin.com/f73bdfdad |
| 21:11.10 | Zesturian | *threw |
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| 21:11.25 | thms | bolt: which questions ? I'm sorry I had an inet problem |
| 21:11.32 | bolt | thms: which kernel are you running now? |
| 21:11.33 | bolt | thms: and how did you "upgrade"? |
| 21:11.36 | thms | 2.6.26 |
| 21:11.51 | thms | with changing my sources.list, aptitude install aptitude, and then full upgrade |
| 21:11.59 | thms | with an aptitutde update before |
| 21:12.06 | thms | the aptitude install aptitude |
| 21:12.53 | bolt | i guess you can just install linux-image-2.6-686 then, given 686 suits your machine |
| 21:13.16 | bolt | if you get that from squeeze, it should give you linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 or somesuch |
| 21:13.23 | bolt | and should keep you updated in the future |
| 21:13.29 | nsadmin | judd pciid 1814:0781 |
| 21:13.44 | thms | done, gonna reboot and see |
| 21:14.05 | thms | bolt: yes, I'll do. I come back if I have a problem, hopefully not. shutdown -r noa |
| 21:14.36 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: yea - I saw that too, but how to make the damn thing work? |
| 21:15.45 | nsadmin | I dunno what it is yet (line 18 for anyone following the conversation) |
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| 21:20.15 | alijack | does anyone successfully use bridget network with kernel 2.6.32 debian unstable and virtualbox 3.1.2 ? |
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| 21:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink Device [1814:0781] |
| 21:30.05 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: nsadmin got wifi working thanks guys |
| 21:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he said line 18 :) |
| 21:30.24 | jpinx-eeepc | just needed to do more fiddling ;) |
| 21:30.48 | nsadmin | no that's the line |
| 21:30.55 | nsadmin | what is that thing? |
| 21:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... just make sure if you pastebin it that it's _informative_ fiddeling :-P |
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| 21:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I keep reeding "ranix device" there, for some reason :) |
| 21:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, so what kernel module was it ? |
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| 21:33.16 | jpinx-eeepc | rt2860sta |
| 21:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, !ralink -> rt2x00 |
| 21:33.31 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I just got the name a little bit wrong ;) |
| 21:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 21:34.06 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know how to get bluetooth working to my mobile phone? ;) |
| 21:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | rt2860sta... well, that was the one you had loaded all along! |
| 21:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
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| 21:34.38 | jpinx-eeepc | seems to have hit a raw nerve |
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| 21:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually last time I got a bluetooth headset working, it used the pre-bluez modules |
| 21:35.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and bluez couldn't do it for some reason |
| 21:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess things got better in the last years |
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| 21:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a bluetooth factoid :) |
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| 21:42.38 | bdheeman | hi |
| 21:42.42 | abrotman | recommends stew for bluetooth help :) |
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| 21:43.27 | bdheeman | i faced a strange problem on debian sqeeze/testing today |
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| 21:46.05 | bdheeman | after update/dist-upgrade, the some cron job/logrotate deleted many a files from / and all files from other mounted partitions |
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| 21:46.52 | g0rd0n | is there a way to purge all packages having the "rc" status? |
| 21:47.44 | bdheeman | a vfat and ArchLinux ext3 partitions are totally empty now |
| 21:48.14 | dimir | g0rd0n: aptitude purge them? |
| 21:48.53 | bdheeman | g0rd0n: aptitutude purge `dpkg -l |awk '/^rc {print $2}'` |
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| 21:49.50 | g0rd0n | bdheeman: unterminated regexp |
| 21:49.59 | dimir | dpkg -l | ^rc |
| 21:50.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | ^rc |
| 21:50.16 | dimir | wait |
| 21:50.32 | bdheeman | s|/^rc|/^rc/| |
| 21:50.38 | sepult | or dpkg -l|grep -i ^rc|cut -d " " -f3|xargs apt-get -f remove --purge -y |
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| 21:51.17 | bdheeman | aptitutude purge `dpkg -l |awk '/^rc/ {print $2}'` |
| 21:51.50 | g0rd0n | thank you :) |
| 21:52.01 | g0rd0n | will save that in a little script that does some cleanup |
| 21:52.08 | dimir | Nice, saves one grep. |
| 21:52.14 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 21:53.25 | bdheeman | :D |
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| 21:57.03 | sepult | how can i compress my filesystem ? |
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| 21:59.31 | AimHere | resists the screaming urge to say 'find . -name * -exec compress {}+' |
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| 22:00.52 | Polarina | lol |
| 22:01.00 | sepult | my disk is almost full, how can i get rid of old files ? |
| 22:01.37 | sepult | i mean /var/lib/cache is on another partition and /var/lib/cache is just a symlink to that partition |
| 22:02.17 | sepult | however, i just see the disk get more and more full with time and no reduction |
| 22:02.32 | sepult | what may be the cause of that ? |
| 22:02.46 | sepult | can it be a bug in ext2 or ext3 ? |
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| 22:03.46 | poisonbit | hi |
| 22:04.03 | poisonbit | lines 10 and 11 aren't working in this preseed file: |
| 22:04.06 | poisonbit | http://paste.debian.net/57365/ |
| 22:04.11 | poisonbit | any trick ? |
| 22:04.26 | poisonbit | using lenny i386 |
| 22:04.43 | g0rd0n | im struggling to get the ip of my gateway... it doesnt show up in ifconfig |
| 22:05.12 | poisonbit | g0rd0n, netstat -rn |
| 22:05.17 | poisonbit | see the "default" route |
| 22:05.26 | poisonbit | or: ip route show |
| 22:05.30 | abrotman | bdheeman: aptitude purge '~c' .. IIRC |
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| 22:22.18 | reklipz | Any idea how I can wake from sleep via keyboard/mouse in Squeeze (gnome)? |
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| 22:31.01 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 22:31.49 | adb | all says, hi TrueDD |
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| 22:34.34 | TrueDD | lol |
| 22:34.37 | TrueDD | hi adb |
| 22:34.51 | adb | hi TrueDD |
| 22:36.55 | infid | does debian use PAM or GSSAPI? |
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| 22:39.45 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep pam |
| 22:41.16 | hamsand | adb: dpkg -l | grep -i pam |
| 22:42.04 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:44.37 | jimcooncat | pam is not a package, it's an adventure! |
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| 22:45.57 | adb | Be or not to be " Authenticate' < Hamlet |
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| 22:46.05 | mythomaniac | can anyone tell me the kernels in debian testing/squeeze are using "trunked" in their name? |
| 22:46.17 | Gm4n | So I'm writing a bunch of php libraries for several different webapps I'm going to write later, and I want it to be in a system-wide location. Is the "correct" place to put that in /usr/local/? |
| 22:47.00 | adb | mythomaniac, not as i'm aware |
| 22:47.13 | jimcooncat | Gm4n: maybe /usr/local/lib |
| 22:47.38 | zenjuzu | why not /usr/lib ? |
| 22:47.46 | Gm4n | sounds good. I never mess around in /usr/local, so I don't really know the conventions =) |
| 22:47.58 | Gm4n | hmm, isn't /usr/ a little more official? |
| 22:47.58 | adb | mythomaniac, -trunk- come only in 2.6.32 |
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| 22:48.46 | jimcooncat | don't see why you can't put them where you want, I just tend to stay in /usr/local or /opt for stuff not provided by the repositories |
| 22:49.07 | zenjuzu | agrees @ /opt |
| 22:49.21 | mythomaniac | adb, yeah for example, linux-image-2.6.32-trunk 686 |
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| 22:49.31 | mythomaniac | adb, what is that? |
| 22:49.45 | adb | it's sid kernels |
| 22:49.50 | mythomaniac | adb, i mean why the naming of "trunk" |
| 22:49.58 | Gm4n | hmm, so /opt/ is preferable to /usr/local/lib? |
| 22:50.29 | infid | arent you supposed to put your personal php functions wherever then autoinclude them using a directory iterator or php.ini auto include |
| 22:50.37 | jimcooncat | Gm4n, it would be to me, just so i remember where I put things |
| 22:50.40 | adb | mythomaniac, i dunno , just new naming scheme ? |
| 22:51.01 | mythomaniac | adb, hehe, its a strange naming scheme... no? |
| 22:51.08 | zenjuzu | am I posting? |
| 22:51.14 | Gm4n | zenjuzu: yep |
| 22:51.16 | zenjuzu | Hmm... had two not go through |
| 22:51.20 | mythomaniac | zenjuzu, i can see your text |
| 22:51.25 | zenjuzu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.35 | zenjuzu | derher... sorry, can't begin a post with "/" |
| 22:51.36 | zenjuzu | duh |
| 22:52.03 | mythomaniac | adb, are you using testing, and have you updated to today? |
| 22:52.24 | adb | mythomaniac, lenny (for ever) here |
| 22:52.41 | mythomaniac | adb, lenny, or stable, forever? |
| 22:52.48 | jimcooncat | I believe /usr/local is for stuff needed for the particular machine, while /usr can be shared site-wide. I never understood the whole sharing bit though |
| 22:52.50 | Gm4n | /opt, eh? It's nice and empty... maybe make /opt/lib/mylibrary/? |
| 22:53.00 | simonrvn | zenjuzu: /say /foo or / /foo for irssi or //foo for weechat |
| 22:53.22 | simonrvn | and if your client doesn't have a say command then it sucks |
| 22:53.24 | Gm4n | simonrvn: I just looked up that irssi shortcut here, hehe |
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| 22:54.00 | niklas_ | I want to redo the debian installation step where I can select software packages to install(desktop, web server etc). how can I do so? |
| 22:54.05 | zenjuzu | /thanks simonrvn |
| 22:54.09 | zenjuzu | ;) |
| 22:54.15 | simonrvn | there ya go ;) |
| 22:54.17 | mohan43u | somebody please help me to find linux-kbuild-2.6.30 .. its missing in repositories.. |
| 22:54.35 | adb | mythomaniac, last week i migrate to testing (w/o knowing how) and i do reinstall lenny ... so will stay on stable |
| 22:54.36 | infid | if you put your all of your php functions in /opt/lib/mylibrary how do you plan to access them from php? |
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| 22:54.37 | simonrvn | thought it was ... |
| 22:54.44 | mohan43u | I need it immediately to compile nvidia.. |
| 22:55.07 | Gm4n | infid: include? :) |
| 22:55.23 | mythomaniac | adb, shame... because testing rocks... |
| 22:55.27 | simonrvn | (require,include}_once |
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| 22:55.41 | infid | i mean can apache access them, or do you have to make them all owned by www-data |
| 22:55.53 | Gm4n | these libraries need to be readable from several separate webapps, so I want them in a globally readable directory |
| 22:56.00 | Gm4n | well, I'm running suphp |
| 22:56.20 | Gm4n | all these sites will be owned by the same user, so the libraries can be owned by that user as well |
| 22:56.24 | thms | when I startx after upgrading my debian my screen goes black and then in standby mode (not not-connected mode, just sandby, the DEL blinks), what can I do? |
| 22:56.58 | Gm4n | I'm not really concerned with ownership/permissions (that's easy to figure out), it's just a question of where's the correct place to put them as per debian filesystem conventions |
| 22:57.46 | simonrvn | mohan43u: it's in stable, maybe testing... |
| 22:57.51 | craigevil | mohan43u: install it from backports, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-kbuild-2.6.30 |
| 22:58.16 | simonrvn | oh woops, could be there... lemme check policy.. |
| 22:58.18 | infid | i think anywhere outside your document root is the only convention |
| 22:58.22 | craigevil | mohan43u: or testing if you are running testing |
| 22:58.40 | simonrvn | ah yeh, backports, my bad |
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| 23:00.23 | adb | mythomaniac, yeah, but has/had something bug in ipv6 , so when i needed to install a http server, i get in i get in trouble .. |
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| 23:00.57 | mythomaniac | adb, ah... yes... that would be a good reason to stay with stable then... |
| 23:01.04 | mohan43u | craigevil: I'm in testing.. |
| 23:01.11 | mohan43u | craigevil: not able to find.. |
| 23:01.16 | mythomaniac | craigevil, you rock bro! |
| 23:01.31 | mythomaniac | just wanted to say that... |
| 23:01.48 | simonrvn | wonders how he got to 100 MB swap used from 180 MB swap used on his server box (i don't remember exactly what i did, heh) |
| 23:01.49 | mohan43u | craigevil: will it be available in backports? |
| 23:02.00 | craigevil | mohan43u: its in testing , http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-kbuild-2.6.30 |
| 23:03.05 | mohan43u | ahh?? is aptitude lying? I'm usein ftp.debian.org.. |
| 23:03.42 | simonrvn | you shouldn't use that one, use one of the mirrors |
| 23:04.27 | adb | !tell mythomaniac -about trunk |
| 23:04.56 | mohan43u | craigevil: simonrvn: I'm putting testing as a keyword instead of squeeze.. is it making any difference? |
| 23:05.15 | simonrvn | not right now no |
| 23:05.36 | Gm4n | hmm, so I've been reading... /opt seems to be for installed packages. I definitely want to be in /usr/local/, but I'm unsure between include, lib, and src. include is for c-style headers, lib is for libraries of /usr/local/bin, and src is for things like kernel source code. What's the "right" one? |
| 23:05.36 | infid | how do you get ssh to stop prompting for a password in debian? do i have to set 'GSSAPIAuthentication no'? |
| 23:05.42 | mythomaniac | wow thank you adb... but this is the first time, in my use of using testing... had used testing before lenny went stable... that i seen this before... |
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| 23:06.27 | simonrvn | Gm4n: well it's a library prseumably, so put it in lib/ |
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| 23:07.04 | simonrvn | Gm4n: lib/ is not just for ?bin/ executables |
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| 23:07.15 | abrotman | infid: google "ssh keys howto" |
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| 23:07.37 | Gm4n | I guess wikipedia lied to me then (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard) |
| 23:07.47 | Gm4n | thanks, simonrvn (and others)! |
| 23:07.49 | SparFux | Hi all. When using make-kpkg it seems it always recompile everything by making clean. How can I recompile only updated files? |
| 23:08.23 | thms | after upgrading from lenny to squeeze when I startx my screen goes to sleep mode, and I need to reboot. How can I solve this ? |
| 23:08.48 | simonrvn | Gm4n: simple reason is that there's libraries without executables and vice-versa ;) |
| 23:09.31 | SparFux | thms: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 23:10.28 | adb | or to bts .. |
| 23:10.39 | thms | seems like Im using "AMD drivers" although ive an ATI card |
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| 23:11.57 | marsje | hi people... it's seems I have fs issues... when I run df it says my root partition is 100% full... even when I delete stuff |
| 23:11.58 | Devastator | thms amd bought ati a long time ago.. |
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| 23:12.29 | marsje | I just did a fsck on all my filesystem and it did find errors |
| 23:12.46 | thms | atiddxDriInit cannot be initialized, this is my problem, just found out, Devastator |
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| 23:12.52 | marsje | it said the errors were logged to /var/log/fsck/ but that directory did not exists |
| 23:13.07 | ranix | how do I find out which SATA port my disk is plugged into? |
| 23:13.22 | ranix | my sdc is roasted |
| 23:13.36 | ranix | but it's still spinning |
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| 23:14.22 | dondelelcaro | ranix: udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sdc; will tell you everything that the system knows about it |
| 23:14.54 | ranix | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:15.20 | dondelelcaro | relating that back to physical plugs is more difficult, unfortunatly |
| 23:17.02 | ranix | actually I know its serial number from that |
| 23:17.08 | ranix | so that solves the problem |
| 23:17.17 | ranix | I can just take the disks out and look at them |
| 23:17.24 | dondelelcaro | yerp, that works too |
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| 23:18.03 | dondelelcaro | (smartctl -a /dev/sdc; will tell you that too) |
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| 23:24.13 | thms | my screen goes to sleep when IS tartx, I think the problem is related to fglrx assuming the Xserver logs, how can I Solve this ? |
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| 23:28.08 | infid | abrotman i already understand how ssh keys work. but i'm saying how can i disable passwords for ssh |
| 23:28.40 | infid | they're two different things and most tutorials on ssh keys dont cover how to do it other than with 'UsePAM no' but debian doesnt use that in /etc/ssh_config |
| 23:29.44 | dondelelcaro | infid: man sshd_config and read about PasswordAuthentication |
| 23:30.46 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, Debian does support UsePam) |
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| 23:31.13 | infid | yeah someone just told me it's in sshd_conf now ssh_conf |
| 23:31.20 | infid | as you just did heh |
| 23:31.25 | infid | finally understand it now |
| 23:33.09 | xsamurai | using debian lenny, i cannot seem to execute cron jobs for any users except root, using touch /home/username/filename as the job. Yes i've tested permissions by creating the file manually. I checked crontabs permission and its rwx-s_x-r_x root crontab |
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| 23:50.48 | chomwitt_ | in lenny in icedove i get a strange windows about a certificate of pop.gmail.ending and my emails are gone!! any ideas? |
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| 23:55.06 | al23 | Hi! 'stat /etc/mtab' says "Stale NFS file handle". What's wrong? How do I repair my /etc/mtab? |
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| 23:56.37 | dondelelcaro | al23: uh... you shouldn't have /etc/mtab over nfs unless it's just a single machine |
| 23:56.50 | dondelelcaro | al23: if it is, it should come back, or you can remount whatever is on /etc |
| 23:57.07 | al23 | dondelelcaro: Actually, I don't use nfs! |
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| 23:58.23 | dondelelcaro | al23: then something is very screwed up |
| 23:58.33 | dondelelcaro | (or you're mistaken) |
| 23:59.42 | sthon | al23: what file system are you using? |
| 23:59.54 | al23 | ext3 |