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| 00:01.20 | al23 | It happened after an improper shutdown. |
| 00:01.23 | sthon | rebooting might resolve it, but you should probably run fsck on your /etc partition as well |
| 00:01.49 | al23 | sthon: No, rebooting doesn't work here. |
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| 00:02.02 | sthon | something is corrupt then, run fsck |
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| 00:02.49 | xsamurai | mtab is used to list mounted filesystems |
| 00:03.00 | disc0rd | is there any way to get an automatic notification of when a particular backport gets updated? ie via email/rss? |
| 00:03.12 | al23 | xsamurai: Yep. So fsck fails. |
| 00:03.43 | xsamurai | paste your fstab |
| 00:03.48 | sthon | al23: try booting into single user |
| 00:03.50 | xsamurai | at some pastebin site |
| 00:03.57 | sthon | or boot off a live cd |
| 00:03.58 | xsamurai | pastebin.ca or dpaste.com |
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| 00:04.09 | qknxhmcupex | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:04.12 | qknxhmcupex | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:04.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 00:04.16 | qknxhmcupex | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
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| 00:04.20 | qknxhmcupex | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:04.21 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 00:04.24 | qknxhmcupex | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:04.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@90.50.118.222] by themill |
| 00:04.28 | *** kick/#debian [qknxhmcupex!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better) |
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| 00:05.09 | xsamurai | anybody experience crontab issues on lenny, i cant seem to run any cronjobs as a normal user |
| 00:05.52 | simonrvn | seriously... wtf |
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| 00:05.53 | azkvbugrlz | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:05.56 | azkvbugrlz | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:06.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 00:06.23 | simonrvn | klined |
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| 00:06.27 | zhhilniicdc | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:06.30 | zhhilniicdc | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:06.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 00:06.34 | zhhilniicdc | Hi all. It seems we\'re again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you\'re experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:06.39 | *** mode/#debian [+R] by abrotman |
| 00:06.49 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 00:06.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 00:07.05 | abrotman | at least they can't speak ? |
| 00:07.21 | xsamurai | i've tested permissions by creating the file manually. I checked crontabs permission and its rwx-r_s-r_x root crontab |
| 00:07.23 | xsamurai | but still nada |
| 00:07.37 | xsamurai | i dont have this issues on the etch boxes |
| 00:07.38 | sthon | xsamurai: is crond running? |
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| 00:07.51 | simonrvn | abrotman: exactly |
| 00:08.06 | xsamurai | sthon: yes it runs jobs for root just fine |
| 00:08.41 | re__ | When rotating logs rsyslog keep writing to the old log that got rotated out. I'm doing kill -HUP $(cat /var/run/rsyslogd.pid) in a postrotate .. and it doesn't seem to work. Do I need to be doing /etc/innit.d/rsyslog restart ??? |
| 00:09.02 | xsamurai | also /var/spool/cron/crontabs contains the jobs created by the users with proper permissions |
| 00:10.32 | re__ | anyone? |
| 00:10.59 | xsamurai | /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 00:11.28 | xsamurai | re__: check there |
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| 00:14.10 | re__ | xsamurai: i'm using a custom localrotate.conf: http://www.pastie.org/790676 sorry i didn't mention that |
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| 00:17.53 | sylarr | hi |
| 00:17.58 | xsamurai | i think you're confusing logrotate and syslog usages |
| 00:18.06 | xsamurai | man logrotate |
| 00:18.38 | sylarr | ppl complain that the usb cdrom sometime detach in the middle of coping from the CD |
| 00:18.44 | sylarr | is that a known problem? |
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| 00:20.23 | disc0rd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | like .. aptitude ? |
| 00:21.08 | al23 | xsamurai: \o/ OK, fsck from LiveCD did the trick. |
| 00:21.10 | themill | disc0rd: /msg dpkg cron-apt; sensible pinning to go with this is sufficient |
| 00:21.40 | xsamurai | anybody else experience a similar cron issue using lenny ? |
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| 00:22.11 | dstt | Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:22.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@67.174.218.95] by themill |
| 00:22.12 | disc0rd | themill: it's not an installed package.. i'm waiting for an update, compiling from source for now |
| 00:22.32 | *** kick/#debian [dstt!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill] by themill (You should know better.) |
| 00:22.34 | xsamurai | al23: i believe sthon said to use a live cd but good to hear |
| 00:23.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 00:23.48 | al23 | sthon, xsamurai: Thanks! |
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| 00:24.52 | ozf | Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
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| 00:25.54 | kzkunlhcv | Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! |
| 00:25.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpc1-lich7-0-0-cust516.brhm.cable.ntl.com] by themill |
| 00:26.43 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 00:26.48 | simonrvn | um i thought it was +R here now? |
| 00:26.49 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by abrotman |
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| 00:28.42 | sthon | it is |
| 00:28.50 | Name1ess | somebody taught the spammer about social engineering it seems |
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| 00:32.59 | Idle | I have spent the past 2 or 3 months trying to figure out why my debian box has been "acting up", by dropping many many packets... today I just realized the MTU on my interfaces is set to 576, and not 1500, which seems to explain why I've had such issues. I changed the MTU to 1500, and now it works. Where does debian set this to such a low number? is it something to do with my vlan trunking? (router on a stick) |
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| 00:34.16 | craigevil | simonrvn: its is #debian(+JLPcflnrt) |
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| 00:35.04 | simonrvn | i know. ah, abrotman removed it at one point. i see. nm me. |
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| 00:36.27 | markit | hi, I've copied a debian sid installation from an LVM hd to a "plain" ext4. It boots the kernel, but a certain point complains that can't find lvm group... I've corrected fstab, and renamed /etc/init.d/lvm, what else should I do to "deactivate" the lvm stuff? |
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| 00:37.23 | Zer | Howdy... I know there is a package called chrpath to change the rpath, but is there any equivalent to *add* one? |
| 00:37.42 | naquad | people, how can i make umount to unmount sshfs mounts? |
| 00:38.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Any one point out how to have my internal (laptop) keyboard set for spanish layout and the external one as a US layout? |
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| 00:43.29 | simonrvn | btw, ops, i don't mean to be a pest or a backseat driver. |
| 00:44.44 | phogg | why is mkpasswd supplied by the whois package? |
| 00:45.08 | abrotman | front seat driver! |
| 00:45.17 | themill | phogg: hysterical raisins |
| 00:45.24 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:45.28 | Shadowcat | abrotman: there's no way any sane person would allow you to drive anything :P |
| 00:45.32 | phogg | themill: I assumed it had to be. |
| 00:45.39 | Shadowcat | then again, this is freenode, so you never know |
| 00:45.44 | phogg | There appears to be a very different mkpasswd that my Fedora friends have. |
| 00:46.54 | simonrvn | dlocate makepasswd |
| 00:47.07 | TangentCollision | hey, I got debian-live-502-i386-standard.img, can I install from it? |
| 00:47.13 | simonrvn | there's also that ^^^ . that one might be the one you're after, phogg ? |
| 00:47.28 | phogg | simonrvn: I have mkpasswd. It is supplied by the whois package. This is known. |
| 00:47.33 | simonrvn | i can pass it somthing like --chars=20 |
| 00:47.43 | simonrvn | read what i pasted dude |
| 00:47.45 | simonrvn | some* |
| 00:47.50 | themill | phogg: there's also a makepasswd package. |
| 00:47.52 | phogg | simonrvn: I was recommending someone use it, but he has fedora and his mkpasswd is different. I was trying to find upstream so he could get a good one. |
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| 00:48.19 | simonrvn | MAKEPASSWD |
| 00:48.34 | phogg | themill: aha, that appears to be the other one |
| 00:48.47 | themill | quite, that's why simonrvn was telling you about it |
| 00:48.51 | simonrvn | *facepalm* |
| 00:48.57 | phogg | I get it now. |
| 00:49.06 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 00:49.14 | phogg | my eyes scanned over the different /-: |
| 00:49.22 | phogg | difference, even |
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| 00:52.54 | phogg | It's like I'm living in a strange alternate reality. Crypt programs lying with network tools, stairs that lead nowhere, dogs and cats living together, etc.. |
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| 00:53.22 | simonrvn | that's life |
| 00:54.22 | Shadowcat | phogg: you forgot the box you have running in the corner that's running a Linux version of IE8 |
| 00:54.28 | Shadowcat | runs |
| 00:54.40 | phogg | 's head explodes |
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| 00:55.43 | Shadowcat | also points out the full PC version of Mac OS X phogg has in his dvd stack |
| 00:57.11 | phogg | ... but Mac OS X will never become as popular as the Hurd, so it's only a curiosity item. |
| 00:58.34 | Shadowcat | lol |
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| 01:03.39 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:11.21 | TangentCollision | hey, I am looking at the "full CD/DVD sets" section |
| 01:11.29 | TangentCollision | there are 32 CDs |
| 01:11.53 | TangentCollision | isn't there a general image for it? |
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| 01:17.06 | abrotman | that is |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 01:17.11 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 01:18.01 | TangentCollision | abrotman: you pointing that at me? |
| 01:18.20 | sthon | dialup install? |
| 01:18.23 | sthon | ouch |
| 01:18.30 | abrotman | that's the 150MB netinst .. unless you have no internet at the site .. the netinst is preferred by most |
| 01:18.41 | TangentCollision | by most |
| 01:18.42 | TangentCollision | okay |
| 01:18.46 | TangentCollision | interesting |
| 01:20.02 | TangentCollision | I'll just net install again without screwing up this time |
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| 01:21.01 | TangentCollision | it would just be nice to have a basic install image, maybe 400mb |
| 01:21.13 | sthon | there is one |
| 01:21.21 | TangentCollision | :o |
| 01:21.37 | TangentCollision | do tell |
| 01:21.45 | sthon | i386 or amd64? |
| 01:21.48 | TangentCollision | I've done net install for debian every time |
| 01:21.54 | TangentCollision | i386 |
| 01:22.43 | sthon | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 01:22.48 | sthon | you only need the first cd |
| 01:22.53 | TangentCollision | oh |
| 01:22.59 | TangentCollision | that would have been nice to know xD |
| 01:23.00 | sthon | the other cd's are for packages |
| 01:23.13 | sthon | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 01:23.20 | TangentCollision | which I'm sure I'll need at least one of them |
| 01:23.24 | sthon | The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 01:23.24 | sthon | To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them. |
| 01:23.51 | sthon | you shouldn't as long as you have internet on the server afterwords |
| 01:24.04 | sthon | just use apt to install any packages you need |
| 01:24.29 | TangentCollision | I'm just not sure if it has ath5k or madwifi drivers on the standard install |
| 01:25.01 | sthon | you only have wireless? |
| 01:25.15 | sthon | http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
| 01:25.17 | TangentCollision | I'm only comfortable with wireless |
| 01:25.44 | TangentCollision | it's cool, if I want to, I'll go back and use that image, otherwise I'll just netinstall again |
| 01:25.54 | sthon | ath5k is included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.25. It is present in Debian kernel images since 2.6.24. |
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| 01:26.47 | TangentCollision | how big is your /boot partition, by chance? |
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| 01:28.01 | TangentCollision | 100mb, cool |
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| 01:32.12 | jof | So I'm trying to make a preseed file for debian-installer (d-i?), but am having a problem where d-i detects the disks in a different order than my bios |
| 01:32.44 | jof | I suspect the order that the installer is detecting the disks is different. Though I'm using a raid card. |
| 01:32.49 | jof | anyone ever run into this? |
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| 01:35.08 | butterball | Where should I look to install what's needed to play dvd's mp3's? I'm googleing for "debian how to install codec" and I'm getting a lot of stuff but not sure which to use. |
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| 01:35.33 | simonrvn | jof: probably the order the drivers are getting loaded |
| 01:36.39 | karme | !debian-multimedia |
| 01:36.39 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 01:37.32 | butterball | Karme ty |
| 01:38.15 | jof | simonrvn: any idea how to influence installer's load order? |
| 01:38.30 | simonrvn | nope, sorry |
| 01:42.22 | karme | is udev already active at that point? |
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| 01:52.23 | liable | anyone know if xorg changed the way it needs to be configured for middle mouse button scrolling recently? |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | liable: i think some apps interfere now |
| 01:53.03 | liable | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | liable: though i think you'd do better to ask #xorg ? |
| 01:54.44 | liable | i'd do better to read changelogs and google, but i'm a lazy bastard :) |
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| 02:04.01 | lindenle | Hi Guys I am having very poor performance with the intel xorg driver in both squeeze and sid. Does anyone have it working well? Can someone give me some pointers/ |
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| 02:06.45 | bododo | hi guys :) |
| 02:07.35 | bododo | I'm doing dist-upgrade --download from Lenny to Sid right now, but I've read somewhere that I should follow the path: stable->unstable->testing |
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| 02:07.55 | simonrvn | um, stable testing unstable |
| 02:07.56 | bododo | is this right? what should I fear if I go directly from stable to testing? |
| 02:08.09 | simonrvn | sid is unstable |
| 02:08.13 | bododo | yep, my bad |
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| 02:08.22 | bododo | I meant that simonrvn |
| 02:08.34 | bododo | i'm doing lenny->sid |
| 02:08.39 | bododo | is this bad? |
| 02:08.42 | frederick85 | hi i'm wondering is there a way to add reverb to my microphone for skype or something like that |
| 02:08.52 | simonrvn | bododo: no you didn't, you meant to confuse everyone with your misleading words :P :P |
| 02:09.00 | bododo | :D |
| 02:09.30 | simonrvn | bododo: bad no, but moving a stable to sid usually works better including testing in there |
| 02:09.40 | bododo | ah! |
| 02:09.59 | bododo | I'm in the middle of it and my Internet sucks |
| 02:10.09 | bododo | should I just cancel the whole thing? :( |
| 02:10.22 | simonrvn | since testing is the future release, it's sorta designed that way with the deps, scripts, etc from the various pakages. |
| 02:10.25 | simonrvn | packages* |
| 02:10.51 | bododo | what could go wrong if I carry on with lenny->sid? |
| 02:11.00 | simonrvn | nah, leave them there. you could try anyway, but don't expect it to be smooth. |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | bododo: i think the obvious worst is that it breaks |
| 02:11.31 | bododo | by smooth, you mean? :) |
| 02:11.47 | bododo | abrotman: the kernel or anything else |
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| 02:12.27 | abrotman | everything else ? |
| 02:12.36 | bododo | add to that the fact that I'm on a powerpc |
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| 02:12.44 | bododo | :( |
| 02:13.59 | abrotman | bododo: you're in luck .. the other person with that hardware is here! |
| 02:14.09 | bododo | well, I only care for some tools actually. I don't use a lot of apps, but I guess libs themselves could break, right? |
| 02:14.21 | bododo | abrotman: who's that? :) |
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| 02:15.48 | bododo | abrotman: you? |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | i do have one, but i didn't mean me |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | i was also joking |
| 02:16.42 | bododo | ah! :) |
| 02:16.59 | bododo | I'm suffering with this ibook, yet I LOVE it. |
| 02:17.08 | bododo | I love old hardware, go figure why |
| 02:17.57 | bododo | I thought I could try arch 'don't beat me) on it, but honnestly I trust more debian than archlinuxppc |
| 02:22.17 | bododo | sorry to bother you, guys, but I noticed a strange thing: before this upgrade I decided to remove texlive and some other stuff I don't use very often so that I won't have to upgrade them, but now I see that they're downloaded |
| 02:22.40 | bododo | what's happening? Is there a cache I should have emptied or something? |
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| 02:24.01 | simonrvn | probably something needed it |
| 02:24.39 | bododo | texlive? strange... |
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| 02:26.54 | krisfremen | hey there |
| 02:27.51 | krisfremen | i have a camera that i'm trying to get working |
| 02:27.57 | krisfremen | Logitech Quickcam Chat |
| 02:28.08 | bododo | g'nite folks :) |
| 02:28.11 | krisfremen | idVendor=046d, idProduct=092e |
| 02:28.41 | krisfremen | what should i use to get it working? |
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| 02:31.48 | simonrvn | krisfremen: google it |
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| 03:11.03 | krisfremen | simonrvn: thing is, i read that as of 2.6.28 gspca is included in kernel |
| 03:11.11 | krisfremen | simonrvn: but, my camera isn't working anyways |
| 03:11.23 | simonrvn | yes but they've got issues... i use: |
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| 03:12.09 | simonrvn | http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb which works with mine, in-kernel drive doesn't |
| 03:12.14 | simonrvn | driver* |
| 03:13.46 | krisfremen | thanks simonrvn |
| 03:13.48 | krisfremen | i'll try that |
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| 03:25.43 | krisfremen | simonrvn: is there a pre-compiled version anywhere of that? |
| 03:25.53 | simonrvn | uh, no |
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| 03:34.55 | TangentCollision | I just apt-get install xserver-xorg lxde |
| 03:35.19 | TangentCollision | it installed stuff, but I can't start lxde |
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| 03:35.51 | SparFux | Hi all. Is there a package offering a dark gtk theme? |
| 03:37.03 | adb | TangentCollision, gdm is installed ? |
| 03:37.24 | TangentCollision | what? |
| 03:37.31 | adb | gdm |
| 03:38.35 | TangentCollision | huh, lxdm seems to not exist |
| 03:38.40 | TangentCollision | do I NEED a login manager? |
| 03:39.17 | adb | is recommended .. |
| 03:39.33 | TangentCollision | I'm not a fan of login managers |
| 03:39.49 | adb | then > xinit |
| 03:39.50 | TangentCollision | I like to make sure my laptop is connected to a network before I login |
| 03:40.01 | TangentCollision | yeah, I know, xinit is flashing colors at me |
| 03:41.14 | adb | or stay on console , test networks and so .. |
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| 03:41.44 | TangentCollision | and so? |
| 03:42.02 | adb | the rest you want to do |
| 03:42.05 | TangentCollision | do you speak english or just choose words and throw them in where it feels right? |
| 03:42.16 | TangentCollision | sorry |
| 03:42.24 | TangentCollision | ignore that, I'm in pain |
| 03:42.51 | TangentCollision | it's telling me I have no xterm, should I apt-get install that? |
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| 03:43.38 | adb | yes |
| 03:44.04 | TangentCollision | that should be put in the bloody depends for xserver-xorg |
| 03:44.13 | adb | no |
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| 03:44.32 | adb | thare are ton of xterm .. |
| 03:44.56 | abrotman | TangentCollision: aptitude install xorg |
| 03:46.21 | Marfi | Hello everyone, I had a question about the PPC version of Debian. I have found that with some version's of linux, the software that comes with PPC is lacking. Are there packages that will be missing with a PPC install of Debian? |
| 03:46.38 | TangentCollision | abrotman: okay |
| 03:46.41 | abrotman | Marfi: there will be some .. like wine |
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| 03:47.13 | bluehaze | anybody know if any equivalent of ethtool for windows? |
| 03:47.28 | bluehaze | i need to know the duplex speed. |
| 03:47.38 | Marfi | bluehaze: Why not run it in cygwin? |
| 03:47.46 | bluehaze | marfi. oh yea. true |
| 03:47.48 | bluehaze | thanks |
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| 03:47.55 | Marfi | No problem |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | bluehaze: or ask ##windows ? |
| 03:48.37 | Marfi | abrotman: I'm more talking about something such as xfce4. I installed one distro, and it was missing crucial packages and dependancies from xfce4 |
| 03:48.51 | TangentCollision | abrotman: have you ever asked anything in ##windows? |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | TangentCollision: no, i'd rather not use it at all |
| 03:49.23 | TangentCollision | oh, so you're a purist, I'll stay away from that subject then |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | and it's still better than asking #debian, where it's offtopic |
| 03:49.49 | Marfi | TangentCollision: You say purist like it's a bad thing |
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| 03:50.07 | TangentCollision | Marfi: nope, not really |
| 03:50.29 | TangentCollision | my eeepc will never see the windows system again, just arch and debian |
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| 03:51.25 | Marfi | TangentCollision: I've converted my laptop to Arch |
| 03:51.26 | TangentCollision | abrotman: still no xterm after aptitude :P |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | TangentCollision: you did someting wrong |
| 03:52.01 | TangentCollision | Marfi: I like it, but I've always had a toe stuck in debian for servers, so I wanted to give it a shot at my netbook |
| 03:52.13 | TangentCollision | abrotman: correct me, but you told me one command |
| 03:52.41 | abrotman | TangentCollision: dpkg -l xterm ? |
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| 03:53.21 | TangentCollision | how about just installing xterm |
| 03:53.26 | abrotman | how about that output |
| 03:53.27 | abrotman | ? |
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| 03:53.47 | TangentCollision | name xterm, version none, description (none available) |
| 03:53.54 | Marfi | TangentCollision: The only experience I had with Debian was Ubuntu. (3+ years) and I want to try the real thing on an old g3. Getting it ready for a conference |
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| 03:53.59 | TangentCollision | so I'm just going to install it |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | if you're not going to answer our questions, why ask for advice? |
| 03:54.19 | TangentCollision | Marfi: ah, I see. |
| 03:54.34 | TangentCollision | abrotman: I gave you the answer |
| 03:54.39 | abrotman | not really |
| 03:54.43 | TangentCollision | yeah I did |
| 03:54.48 | TangentCollision | read up |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | gives up on the smartass |
| 03:54.55 | TangentCollision | name xterm, version none, description (none available) |
| 03:55.06 | TangentCollision | that's pretty much what it had told me |
| 03:55.26 | TangentCollision | now I get a version number and a description after manually installing it |
| 03:57.42 | TangentCollision | cool, now lxsession runs off the xterm, now just to put "exec lxsession" into .xinitrc and I'll be set, right? |
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| 03:58.53 | Marfi | I think I just may put Debian PPC on my laptop then. =) |
| 04:00.49 | lk | Anyone know how to bind a range of IP addresses on a debian box? |
| 04:01.07 | TangentCollision | Marfi: I'll give you help in plain english and you can yell at me as much as you want if needed, just take it to PM, I'm sure they won't appreciate that in the main channel |
| 04:01.45 | abrotman | you sohuld keep it in the channel |
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| 04:02.02 | abrotman | lk: man interfaces, AFAIK, there's no way to do a range, you can write a script to do it though |
| 04:02.11 | abrotman | !tell Marfi about ppc |
| 04:02.28 | TangentCollision | abrotman: sorry I'm a smartass, I just tend to figure things out on my own when I ask other people |
| 04:02.36 | lk | abrotman, you're certain? It's easy enough on a RH-compatible distro, so I figured it'd be there in debian too. |
| 04:02.54 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | lk: uhm .. i've not seen a way |
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| 04:03.22 | abrotman | lk: i vaguely recall someone asking the same thing a few months ago, and the consensus was to do it with a script |
| 04:03.23 | Marfi | Later yall. =) |
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| 04:03.51 | lk | Sad =/ |
| 04:04.50 | pickcoder | lk: it's not that big of a deal.. the script runs when ifup is called and it can do ifconfing for all of the IPs |
| 04:04.52 | lk | abrotman, on second thought, looks like that's a RH-specific feature. |
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| 04:08.38 | ryanhaigh | hi, could someone please point me to a current guide for setting up software raid |
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| 04:10.39 | pickcoder | lk: http://wertarbyte.de/debian/ifupdown/addresses |
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| 04:10.56 | pickcoder | that's about as simple and flexible as you can get |
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| 04:13.20 | lk | Thanks. I like how on this channel if there's not a way to do something, people offer alternatives. Much better than other channels where people just demand _why_ you'd want to do something to begin with. |
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| 04:16.18 | TangentCollision | lk: like #ubuntu? |
| 04:16.50 | TangentCollision | the magical land of "in-the-box" |
| 04:16.52 | lk | heh, I actually haven't been there. |
| 04:17.11 | lk | I don't mind things working out of the box. |
| 04:17.13 | TangentCollision | what channels then? I've been to many |
| 04:17.23 | TangentCollision | no, I mean thinking inside the box |
| 04:17.27 | lk | Oh, right. |
| 04:17.42 | lk | Slackware, for one. I tried installing FreeBSD at one point on a laptop that had firewire. |
| 04:17.51 | TangentCollision | egh |
| 04:17.57 | lk | Apparently that's been a known issue since 2004, |
| 04:18.08 | peterrooney | lk: true. mind you, in #bash, they're very opposed to solving XY problems. |
| 04:18.11 | lk | so the question was, why would I ever want to install it on a sony laptop that had firewire? |
| 04:18.25 | peterrooney | lk: because it's what you have? |
| 04:19.11 | lk | Had, yes. |
| 04:19.30 | lk | I'm surprised an issue like that's been around for so long. |
| 04:19.53 | lk | There seems to be no solution for it other than disabling firewire, but good luck with that on most laptops. |
| 04:22.04 | pickcoder | a paperclip works |
| 04:22.23 | peterrooney | lk: had no problems installing debian on iBook G4 with firewire |
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| 04:23.46 | lk | I meant installing freebsd. |
| 04:23.56 | lk | Debian I don't recall ever having installation trouble with. |
| 04:24.53 | ryanhaigh | i was reading the guide here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html but it seems to advocate using mdadm, then doesn't actually use it |
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| 04:25.58 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 04:26.02 | man_in_shack | anyone know a tool for concatenating ogg/vorbis files that fixes the timing information? |
| 04:30.05 | lk | Anyone having trouble watching hulu? I seem to have the latest version of flash, youtube works fine, but hulu just gives me errors. |
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| 04:30.25 | lk | "Sorry, we are unable to stream this video. Please check your Internet connection and try again." |
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| 04:31.28 | iateadonut | how can i find the ip address of a adsl router? |
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| 04:32.03 | lk | iateadonut, try ifconfig. |
| 04:32.24 | lk | It should be your gateway. |
| 04:32.27 | iateadonut | also, if i have a hub set up on an adsl (what i thought was a) router, and the router only gives one ip address, how do i go about setting up one computer so it gives the other one an ip address? |
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| 04:32.41 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 04:33.33 | man_in_shack | iateadonut, what type of connection do you have to the modem? |
| 04:33.45 | pickcoder | iateadonut: that's really a #networking question |
| 04:33.52 | iateadonut | lan |
| 04:34.01 | man_in_shack | how many lan ports does it have? |
| 04:34.05 | iateadonut | 1 |
| 04:34.11 | iateadonut | one |
| 04:34.17 | man_in_shack | it might not have a dhcp server |
| 04:34.21 | pickcoder | that's not true |
| 04:34.29 | pickcoder | I have a westell with one port |
| 04:34.37 | pickcoder | get the user's guide for your modem |
| 04:34.48 | man_in_shack | pickcoder, i said "might not" |
| 04:34.51 | iateadonut | it will dish out one ip address but not two. |
| 04:35.05 | man_in_shack | come to think of it, it might not have a WORKING dhcp server |
| 04:35.07 | iateadonut | it seems like it's connected to the isp |
| 04:35.13 | man_in_shack | iateadonut, tried static ips? |
| 04:35.18 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 04:35.35 | pickcoder | it could have a pass-through setting and/or DHCP services |
| 04:35.41 | iateadonut | it seems like it connects to the isp and then gets an ip address. |
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| 04:35.50 | iateadonut | then assigns to one computer. |
| 04:35.51 | man_in_shack | iateadonut, then you need a router |
| 04:36.05 | iateadonut | can one of my computers serve as a router? |
| 04:36.09 | man_in_shack | if your "lan" ip is the same as your external internet ip, you need a router |
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| 04:36.21 | man_in_shack | iateadonut, yes. you will then need to connect all other computers to that |
| 04:36.29 | pickcoder | read the manual! |
| 04:36.30 | iateadonut | right. |
| 04:36.30 | man_in_shack | which can be done via a switch or hub |
| 04:36.31 | iateadonut | what do i google? |
| 04:36.34 | pickcoder | you have no idea what it's capable of |
| 04:36.35 | iateadonut | i don't have a manual. |
| 04:36.39 | man_in_shack | but as pickcoder, #networking would be a better place to ask |
| 04:36.43 | pickcoder | search for the make/model |
| 04:36.51 | man_in_shack | iamtheobject, google for your modem |
| 04:36.57 | iateadonut | and i'm in a totally new country where i don't speak the language yet. |
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| 04:37.15 | man_in_shack | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 04:37.23 | man_in_shack | google still works, doesn't it? |
| 04:37.23 | iateadonut | i can't read the manual if i could even find it. |
| 04:37.44 | man_in_shack | iateadonut, you would be able to find an english version of the manual |
| 04:37.44 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 04:38.30 | iateadonut | i think we can reasonably say that it's only going to give me one ip address and it's not a router... so, what packages do i man to tell me how to connect this one computer through the other? |
| 04:38.54 | man_in_shack | no, we can't reasonably say that without being your network administrator |
| 04:39.06 | iateadonut | s/we/i/g |
| 04:39.25 | man_in_shack | or at least knowing what make/model it is, and having intimate knowledge of that make/model |
| 04:39.36 | man_in_shack | which can be resolved by a simple google search, which we won't do for you |
| 04:39.56 | pickcoder | would, but the modem isn't on the desk here |
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| 04:44.00 | man_in_shack | has discovered and will soon be able to try oggvideotools |
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| 04:47.46 | iateadonut | KT neobit 1012VA - can't find an english website for that. |
| 04:47.59 | iateadonut | #join #networking |
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| 04:49.28 | man_in_shack | well, as useful as oggvideotools are, oggCat doesn't work for these files |
| 04:50.15 | iateadonut | and also, when i ping ip2 from this ip (ip1), i get 500ms response time. then when i set my other computer static ip as ip2, then i get a 0.250ms response time. so, it seems that ip2 is set for that computer on this network, but computer at ip2 cannot ping out. |
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| 04:55.15 | infid | when i 'ssh -X me@mypc' it lets me in but running (nautilus, xclock, etc) says: 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong auth'. if i echo $DISPLAY it says 'localhost:10.0' like it hsould though. any ideas? I'm using public keys with passwordauthentication no |
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| 05:02.22 | gauge | Say, I just bought a new 1TB SATA hard drive. I'm thinking I'm going to use ext3, and just one partition for all my music. IS there anything imidiatly wrong with this idea so far? |
| 05:04.28 | Tramp | infid: do you have xauth on the remote machine? |
| 05:05.16 | infid | how can i check? |
| 05:06.26 | Tramp | "type xauth" - if it's a Debian box, it should be /usr/bin/xauth |
| 05:06.39 | pickcoder | iateadonut: that looks like a network bridge |
| 05:06.58 | infid | says using authorith file /var/run/gdm/auth-for-infid-blax/database |
| 05:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 05:07.23 | pickcoder | regardless, you should probably consider using your Debian box as a router |
| 05:07.34 | pickcoder | stick another nic in it and assign it a LAN address |
| 05:07.52 | Tramp | well. I wanted you to execute "type xauth" - not to type xauth. |
| 05:07.59 | Tramp | but your output shows me, it's there. |
| 05:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also ... interesting output |
| 05:08.22 | iateadonut | pickcoder, thanks. |
| 05:08.39 | Tramp | indeed. .. |
| 05:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | auth for inf id? |
| 05:09.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | blax? |
| 05:10.09 | infid | i was just typing it fast |
| 05:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, infid is your username there as well |
| 05:10.18 | gauge | OK, since I heard nothing sayign this was a bad idea, is there anything I might want to do before I plug in my new HD? |
| 05:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | infid, well, that should be /home/infid/.Xauthority |
| 05:10.42 | Tramp | infid: however. If you're logged in over ssh, ..... as CutMeOwnThroat said |
| 05:11.17 | infid | the box i'm connecting to is ubuntu box |
| 05:11.19 | pickcoder | gauge: turn the machine off? |
| 05:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... all weirdness explained in one fell swoop |
| 05:11.53 | Tramp | weird. Then probably it's an Ubuntu problem. Sorry. |
| 05:11.53 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 05:12.16 | gauge | good good. pickcoder . Sorry but I don;t want to have to be back here in an hour with my tail between my legs, askign for help. |
| 05:13.00 | pickcoder | gauge: you are better off splitting the thing up, unless you don't mind waiting a while for a TB partition to be formatted |
| 05:13.33 | pickcoder | you can mount multiple partitions as sub-dirs in your music share |
| 05:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't even have /var/run/gdm... and gdm is my login manager |
| 05:14.35 | pickcoder | (and you can migrate+grow specific mount-points with new drives if they continue to grow) |
| 05:15.06 | Rusty1 | shouldn't gauge have to do a little /etc/fstab maintenance? |
| 05:15.14 | gauge | pickcoder: That is some crafty thinking there. I didn;t knoiw you could do that. |
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| 05:15.59 | gauge | Rusty1: I think I will. Yes. |
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| 05:17.43 | pickcoder | you could always go fancy and setup an iSCSI external box |
| 05:18.10 | pickcoder | run LVM on it and you can continually expand the iSCSI mount underneath |
| 05:18.23 | pickcoder | (or you could just use LVM locally) |
| 05:18.36 | pickcoder | if you think you'll outgrow 1TB soon |
| 05:19.43 | gauge | NAh. 1tb will be good for 6 months or so. Depends on if I can revover data off of a dead(ish) 300gb drive. (she reently passed away right before cristmas. ...it's still hard to talk about). |
| 05:20.01 | pickcoder | consider LVM |
| 05:20.11 | pickcoder | 1TB is a lot of data to pass around when you need to reorganize |
| 05:20.22 | TangentCollision | yeah |
| 05:20.41 | gauge | Aye. |
| 05:20.43 | Rusty1 | agrees with pickcoder |
| 05:22.41 | infid | what makes ubuntu distinct from debian/gnome aside from canonical support and advertising? |
| 05:23.22 | pickcoder | everything except the packaging system |
| 05:23.58 | pickcoder | you don't compare all RPM distros the same way do you? |
| 05:24.24 | gauge | Oh and I was readign about fine tuning a hard drive w/ hdparm. I also read hdparm is a great way to f up a hard drive. Is it a good idea to try and set the right values? cache, speed, ect.. |
| 05:25.52 | pickcoder | gauge: I honestly have never seen enough improvement over fine tweaking to justify the time. If you want major I/O improvement consider RAID 10 |
| 05:26.19 | gauge | merci pickcoder |
| 05:26.37 | pickcoder | you should google performance tweaks for the make/model |
| 05:28.36 | pickcoder | there are also faster filesystems than ext3 |
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| 05:29.03 | gauge | ...btrfs? |
| 05:29.25 | pickcoder | XFS |
| 05:29.44 | pickcoder | but it's still a fuser app |
| 05:30.51 | gauge | oh those cuther mucking ....Lies. He lied to me when he said it'll come with a sata cable. Arg. |
| 05:31.11 | gauge | Just opened to box. I see hard drive, papers, and darkness. bleak darkness. |
| 05:32.36 | gauge | Oh Mircocenter. Train your minions better... Well thanks all for he adive. Seems though this'll have to wait a few more days. |
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| 05:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | errr, what? |
| 05:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, both gorn |
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| 05:44.22 | justin_ | about my ATI firepro v3750, I just could not set up the driver |
| 05:44.26 | justin_ | Is there anyone who can help? |
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| 05:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | god? I heard he's omniscient AND omnipotent |
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| 05:51.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | for us mere mortals, you'd probably need to supply some more details |
| 05:52.27 | justin_ | a minute, I'll restart and see what'll happend |
| 05:52.29 | justin_ | happen |
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| 06:00.58 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 06:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hi all |
| 06:01.56 | dpkg | Hi no-one! |
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| 06:05.58 | justin_ | hi, I'm back |
| 06:06.19 | justin_ | (II) LoadModule: "fglrx" |
| 06:06.20 | justin_ | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so |
| 06:06.22 | justin_ | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: resVgaShared |
| 06:06.23 | justin_ | (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so |
| 06:06.25 | justin_ | (II) UnloadModule: "fglrx" |
| 06:06.26 | justin_ | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (loader failed, 7) |
| 06:06.28 | justin_ | (EE) No drivers available. |
| 06:06.31 | justin_ | here is part of the log file |
| 06:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !paste |
| 06:06.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 06:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 06:07.29 | justin_ | here is the log file http://paste.debian.net/57382/ |
| 06:07.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so: undefined symbol: resVgaShared |
| 06:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know what that means? |
| 06:08.16 | justin_ | no |
| 06:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity |
| 06:08.31 | justin_ | what does that mean? |
| 06:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've got a hard time sorting my thoughts enough to explain it :) |
| 06:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | basically, that you've got a version-mismatch ... probably between your X binary and fglrx_drive.so |
| 06:09.31 | justin_ | that's right, |
| 06:09.44 | justin_ | the driver works on xorg 1.7.3 |
| 06:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so one of them uses a variable that the other doesn't know |
| 06:11.02 | justin_ | I hope I could downgrade Xorg, but I just don't know how... |
| 06:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look at the stuff in |
| 06:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fglrx |
| 06:11.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 06:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fglrx one-liner |
| 06:12.18 | dpkg | Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Lenny users: create/edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf). Etch users: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select fglrx. |
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| 06:15.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can "/msg dpkg non-free" if you're unsure what that is |
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| 06:18.26 | justin_ | oh, thank you |
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| 06:26.23 | rumpsy | I have a problem default flash player in newly installed Lenny |
| 06:27.11 | rumpsy | And there is no flashplugin to play youtube files |
| 06:27.17 | Name1ess|ZzZz | rumpsy: I had the exact same problem earlier today. one moment while I parse my logs manually for the link that fixecd it all ... |
| 06:27.36 | rumpsy | cool, please... |
| 06:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | rumpsy, do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 06:28.13 | rumpsy | non-free, But that may broke my system ! |
| 06:28.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, not non-free - flashplayer-mozilla is in |
| 06:28.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !debian multimedia |
| 06:28.33 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 06:29.33 | rumpsy | is there any option than non-free driver |
| 06:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I got that on my laptop and it seems flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 06:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but they don't work well |
| 06:31.01 | rumpsy | i know this non-free flash plugins... |
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| 06:31.26 | rumpsy | what is the difference between, manually installing flash player 10 and using non-free repos |
| 06:31.28 | Name1ess|ZzZz | WHEEEEE |
| 06:31.29 | Name1ess|ZzZz | http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-debian-lenny-p3 |
| 06:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's gnash |
| 06:31.42 | Name1ess|ZzZz | rumpsy ^^^ see my link |
| 06:31.48 | rumpsy | Name1ess|ZzZz: okay |
| 06:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't know with what percentage of the flash files it works |
| 06:32.00 | Name1ess|ZzZz | fixed mine is like 5 minutes |
| 06:32.52 | Name1ess|ZzZz | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried both opensource ones, no joy on any flash. The instructions on howtoforge straightened it all out. |
| 06:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, one needs the one from non-free or from dmm |
| 06:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | he specifically asked for an OSS driver after I told him that, though |
| 06:35.03 | rumpsy | o- |
| 06:35.10 | Name1ess|ZzZz | result? |
| 06:35.11 | rumpsy | o_O |
| 06:35.29 | rumpsy | gnash sucks and fails to play you tube files |
| 06:35.37 | Name1ess|ZzZz | i told you |
| 06:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | told you, too |
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| 06:35.48 | Name1ess|ZzZz | i went through all this earlier |
| 06:36.02 | rumpsy | So, no oss ! |
| 06:36.14 | Name1ess|ZzZz | you install flashplayer to like the link I gave instructed? |
| 06:36.22 | Name1ess|ZzZz | s/to/10 |
| 06:36.38 | rumpsy | Name1ess|ZzZz: okay, i do... |
| 06:36.55 | rumpsy | That is easy too |
| 06:37.04 | rumpsy | Thank you anyway |
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| 06:40.06 | rumpsy | Ya, its waorking fine now.... :) |
| 06:40.14 | rumpsy | s/working |
| 06:40.35 | Name1ess|ZzZz | happy to pass on a fix :) |
| 06:40.47 | rumpsy | Name1ess|ZzZz: :) |
| 06:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't need any copying/moving or disabling after you install from dmm, though |
| 06:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | uninstalling any _other_ flash, though |
| 06:41.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if they don't have conflicting dependencies that do that for you) |
| 06:42.57 | rumpsy | CutMeOwnThroat: do you mean i'm wrong |
| 06:45.11 | Name1ess|ZzZz | rumpsy: if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
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| 06:46.06 | rumpsy | Name1ess|ZzZz: is that works good for you? , without any errors |
| 06:46.14 | Name1ess|ZzZz | I installed gnash first, the got youtube working with the ionstructions on howtoforge.com. |
| 06:46.39 | Name1ess|ZzZz | haven't tried to play any local .swf files yet though |
| 06:46.50 | rumpsy | oh |
| 06:47.20 | Name1ess|ZzZz | still, if you set .swf to open in eceweasel, I think it should play there just like youtube does |
| 06:47.31 | Name1ess|ZzZz | s/iceweasel |
| 06:47.57 | rumpsy | hmm, i fix it |
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| 06:56.12 | rumpsy | Another file i want, is there anything like codec |
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| 06:57.24 | rumpsy | i think i can get from here, http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 06:57.29 | rumpsy | ;) |
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| 07:05.25 | rumpsy | Name1ess|ZzZz: The page you given to me was similar to what CutMeOwnThroat said to me, they used non-free drivers from debian repo, read from page1, so CutMeOwnThroat was on right track.. :) |
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| 07:22.29 | lk | Hey rumpsy, what's a good, light text editor I can use for python? |
| 07:22.41 | cast | vim! |
| 07:22.43 | lk | I'm used to notepad++ in windows. |
| 07:22.43 | infid | vim |
| 07:22.52 | cast | though its not that light by old time standards |
| 07:22.56 | lk | Other than vim. |
| 07:22.58 | infid | gvim |
| 07:23.02 | lk | And that. |
| 07:23.02 | cast | vi! |
| 07:23.04 | lk | hahah |
| 07:23.05 | cast | now that's light |
| 07:23.08 | infid | if you're a programmer you're going to want a programmer's editor |
| 07:23.15 | lk | Don't get me wrong, I use vim daily. |
| 07:23.22 | infid | don't settle for anything less. you'll need the power and you'll be spending most of your time in it |
| 07:23.30 | cast | emacs isn't very light, but an option |
| 07:23.38 | lk | I've never actually used it. |
| 07:23.38 | infid | other than that eclipse is ok if you want something more gui |
| 07:23.43 | lk | I thought it was much like vim? |
| 07:23.54 | lk | Eclipse I never really liked. |
| 07:23.55 | cast | light by eclipse standards, emacs is, very light even |
| 07:24.02 | lk | Too true. |
| 07:24.07 | infid | if all you do is python there are python specific editors like koana or something, i forget the name |
| 07:24.12 | cast | some sexual deviants use nano |
| 07:24.14 | infid | think it started with a k |
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| 07:24.51 | infid | with gvim you'll have a graphical menu, tabs, etc and you can get python specific plugins to do completion, etc |
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| 07:25.45 | StuckMojo | mornin |
| 07:26.01 | StuckMojo | having some trouble purging a package |
| 07:26.32 | StuckMojo | Removing adobe-flashplugin ... \n update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. |
| 07:26.59 | StuckMojo | when you remove a package, where does dpkg get the scripts to run to do that? |
| 07:27.08 | StuckMojo | or where does it expand them to? |
| 07:27.15 | StuckMojo | i imagine somewhere in /var... |
| 07:27.22 | StuckMojo | i'd like to see exactly what it's doing |
| 07:28.02 | lk | infid, I've never heard of koana, I'll look it up. |
| 07:28.13 | infid | i'm not sure that's the name |
| 07:28.29 | lk | http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors |
| 07:28.41 | infid | lk it's komodo that i was thinking |
| 07:28.47 | lk | Oh. |
| 07:28.48 | lk | hahah |
| 07:28.50 | infid | gotta love google autosuggest |
| 07:28.53 | lk | That thing is enormously bloated. |
| 07:28.58 | lk | It's good, though. |
| 07:29.07 | infid | i'd serously just use gvim |
| 07:29.11 | lk | But it's unstable and hangs a lot. |
| 07:29.14 | infid | i've used it for python, php, c, etc for years, even html |
| 07:29.15 | lk | That's what I've been using. |
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| 07:29.22 | infid | light weight and powerful as it gets |
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| 07:29.39 | infid | you just have to customize it to make it work to your satisfaction |
| 07:30.07 | infid | my vimrc has undergone 7 year evolution |
| 07:30.17 | infid | and i just learned the snipmate plugin last night |
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| 07:31.49 | lk | Oh? That works just like in TextMate? |
| 07:31.59 | infid | i remember around 2003 thinking that i didnt wanna deal with vim's complexity and settled for jedit for a few months and then ran back to it and never looked back and i'm really glad i stuck with it because life woulda been way harder without it |
| 07:32.03 | craigevil | StuckMojo: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq -r adobe-flashplugin , then install flash from backports |
| 07:32.10 | infid | i've never used textmate but it's supposed to be like textmate's snippets |
| 07:32.33 | lk | I've not used it except in passing, but I did watch a lot of ruby on rails tutorials back in the day. |
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| 07:32.52 | lk | It seemed to be like the auto-completion's next evolution. |
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| 07:33.00 | StuckMojo | craigevil: thanks |
| 07:33.08 | infid | textmate is literally the only editor that has really caught my eye over vim, but the fact that vim runs on every o/s means it's still the winner for me |
| 07:33.17 | StuckMojo | craigevil: what i'm trying now is making update-alternatives happy by putting one in there |
| 07:33.27 | StuckMojo | craigevil: if that doesn't work i'll try yours |
| 07:33.34 | infid | i dont wanna change editors when i'm using some other machine. that'd be painful. one time i had a job that forced me to use dreamweaver. needless to say i quit it |
| 07:33.45 | lk | #python has more people than #debian... interesting. |
| 07:33.54 | craigevil | StuckMojo: the .deb package from adobe.com is for ubuntu not debian |
| 07:34.01 | infid | plus you can use vim inside of gnu screen, which just beats everything |
| 07:34.08 | StuckMojo | craigevil: this one came from ubuntu i think |
| 07:34.12 | StuckMojo | craigevil: or was for it |
| 07:34.16 | lk | I'm on windows half the time and linux the other... I usually have access to SSH, though, so I typically just use vim. |
| 07:34.20 | StuckMojo | i've already installed our package |
| 07:34.29 | StuckMojo | flashplugin-installer or whatevery |
| 07:34.42 | infid | lk if i were you i'd just google for 'vim for python users' and customize it |
| 07:35.28 | lk | infid, already did that when I first started using vim. |
| 07:35.35 | StuckMojo | ah screw it. i'll just do what you said |
| 07:35.39 | infid | since you ssh into linux, there's no better editor inside a ssh terminal |
| 07:36.02 | infid | you can do x11 forwarding to spawn a gui editor though |
| 07:36.37 | lk | Like windows' remote desktop? |
| 07:37.02 | infid | x11 forwarding over ssh is more efficient than remote desktop because it only spawns teh app you want, instead of the entire desktop |
| 07:37.05 | craigevil | StuckMojo: if you still have issues after installing flashplugin-nonfree from backports you can do update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
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| 07:37.51 | StuckMojo | craigevil: well, what i'd like to know is exactly how update-alternatives is being invoked by this pre-removal script |
| 07:37.57 | StuckMojo | where can i find that script? |
| 07:38.05 | lk | Interesting. That'd be useful while I'm at work. |
| 07:38.31 | StuckMojo | i mean when a deb is installed, those scripts are saved somewhere on the system right? |
| 07:38.54 | StuckMojo | so that even though the deb is gone later, you can still remove stuff properly |
| 07:39.21 | StuckMojo | craigevil: hmm...that still didn't remove it. same error |
| 07:41.57 | StuckMojo | somewhere in /var/lib/dpkg one would think... |
| 07:42.08 | StuckMojo | aha found it |
| 07:42.21 | StuckMojo | /var/lib/dpkg/adobe-flashplugin.prerm |
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| 07:43.39 | rumpsy | lk: don't you have Gedit |
| 07:44.19 | rumpsy | lk: and don't forget to use plugins of Gedit |
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| 07:46.30 | tobago | i still have an problem installing debian onto my system having a non supported realtek network card. that is why i tried this installer: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm, but my card is not supported by kernel 2.6.30 either. so how to make it working? |
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| 07:47.15 | rumpsy | tobago: |
| 07:47.15 | streuner | buy a supported NIC? |
| 07:47.30 | tobago | rumpsy, ? |
| 07:47.55 | rumpsy | tobago: Default 2.6.26.2 linux kernel has nore drivers |
| 07:48.00 | rumpsy | tobago: Default 2.6.26.2 linux kernel has more drivers |
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| 07:48.17 | rumpsy | i mean i was talking about sound drivers |
| 07:48.39 | tobago | streuner, it's this embedded pc: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2-specifications/ |
| 07:48.46 | rumpsy | modprobe your exact driver |
| 07:48.55 | streuner | !hcl |
| 07:48.56 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 07:49.17 | rumpsy | tobago: What is your card name? |
| 07:49.18 | tobago | rumpsy, i am talking about network driver for card: realtek rtl8111/8168B |
| 07:49.36 | rumpsy | oh |
| 07:49.48 | nsadmin | whya2times? |
| 07:50.15 | lk | rumpsy, haven't really tried that for coding; I'll give gedit a go as well. |
| 07:50.33 | tobago | they deliver it with pre installed well working ubuntu. |
| 07:50.56 | nsadmin | tobago try modprobe r8169 |
| 07:51.05 | tobago | but i guess they created a custom distribution. |
| 07:51.10 | rumpsy | you can use Gedit for coding too, enable plugin called snippets |
| 07:51.33 | tobago | nsadmin, on which system? on my current? or on the embedded pc? |
| 07:51.54 | nsadmin | which one has the realtek? |
| 07:51.55 | tobago | lk, use vim. it's excellent. |
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| 07:52.15 | tobago | nsadmin, the embedded pc (fitpc2): http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2-specifications/ |
| 07:52.41 | nsadmin | is that the one you can't install linux on? |
| 07:52.48 | tobago | nsadmin, right |
| 07:53.17 | nsadmin | ok, what media did you try to install it with? |
| 07:53.24 | tobago | nsadmin, usb |
| 07:53.33 | tobago | stick |
| 07:53.46 | nsadmin | and what did you put on the stick? |
| 07:54.15 | tobago | i created a booting system by unetbootin with this iso: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 07:54.19 | tobago | nsadmin, ^ |
| 07:54.43 | streuner | Operating Systems Windows 7 Professional Windows XP Home SP3 Ubuntu Linux 8.04 |
| 07:54.44 | nsadmin | is that a netinstall image? |
| 07:54.57 | tobago | nsadmin, sure. |
| 07:55.28 | tobago | nsadmin, i don't know any other installatio iso. |
| 07:55.29 | nsadmin | ok, install using that, when you get to the net, try doing the modprobe |
| 07:55.39 | streuner | *bunt* runs on that system, why shouldnt run Debian then... |
| 07:55.43 | StuckMojo | craigevil: thanks for the help |
| 07:56.01 | StuckMojo | craigevil: i was able to get it to remove cleanly by editing the prerm script |
| 07:56.02 | rumpsy | tobago: try modprobe, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24989 |
| 07:56.11 | craigevil | ubuntu includes the nonfree firmware |
| 07:56.11 | tobago | nsadmin, i did a try. next try i'll going onto bash and do a "modprobe r8169" |
| 07:56.19 | StuckMojo | craigevil: it was broken, had a && where it should have had a || |
| 07:56.35 | StuckMojo | craigevil: was trying to remove the alternatives twice |
| 07:56.40 | nsadmin | alternatively... |
| 07:56.50 | nsadmin | install, but leave the net unconfigured |
| 07:56.59 | craigevil | StuckMojo: it was an ubuntu .deb what do you expect :) |
| 07:57.15 | nsadmin | this will cause it to install the base from the image |
| 07:57.34 | tobago | rumpsy, right. they have the same issue. |
| 07:57.36 | rumpsy | nsadmin: What kind of lappy is that, tobago having? |
| 07:57.45 | StuckMojo | craigevil: lol |
| 07:57.58 | nsadmin | he hasn't told me |
| 07:58.03 | StuckMojo | craigevil: this was good though |
| 07:58.10 | tobago | nsadmin, it can't go on during the installation, because there is no working nic. |
| 07:58.14 | StuckMojo | craigevil: i'd been wanting to know where this stuff lived for a while |
| 07:58.22 | streuner | rumpsy: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2-specifications/ |
| 07:58.30 | StuckMojo | craigevil: like every time i've had an install or remove go wrong because the script blew up |
| 07:58.39 | tobago | rumpsy, lappy? |
| 07:58.45 | StuckMojo | craigevil: and since i've been running Sid for like 6 years now, that's been a number of times ;) |
| 07:58.49 | rumpsy | streuner: lappy = laptop |
| 07:59.04 | rumpsy | That was for tobago |
| 07:59.13 | tobago | rumpsy, no laptop. it's an embedded pc: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2-specifications/ |
| 07:59.38 | tobago | nsadmin, i did a try. next try i'll going onto bash and do a "modprobe r8169". o.k.? |
| 08:00.14 | nsadmin | ok :) |
| 08:00.33 | tobago | nsadmin, rumpsy i'll be back in a moment |
| 08:01.07 | rumpsy | Seriously i donno about embedded pc o_O |
| 08:01.39 | nsadmin | what's it embedded into? |
| 08:02.04 | rumpsy | ?o_O? |
| 08:03.39 | StuckMojo | tobago: cool little boxes |
| 08:04.00 | tobago | nsadmin, rumpsy modprobe r8168: Module r8168 not found |
| 08:04.16 | tobago | StuckMojo, if it only would be recognized by debian... |
| 08:04.19 | nsadmin | 8169 |
| 08:04.33 | rumpsy | module r8169 |
| 08:04.33 | tobago | nsadmin, alright. |
| 08:04.44 | tobago | i'll try again ;) |
| 08:05.39 | tobago | nsadmin, the same issue. |
| 08:05.47 | rumpsy | o_O |
| 08:06.06 | nsadmin | ok, install without configuring net |
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| 08:06.40 | tobago | nsadmin, but how? there is no menu like "go on without installing nic" or stuff like that |
| 08:07.00 | spersaud | tobago: hehe .. shark and bake ? |
| 08:07.03 | nsadmin | there should be |
| 08:07.34 | nsadmin | when it tries to detect your network hardware, it should give you that choice |
| 08:08.01 | rumpsy | if you don't mind you can use this, http://acm.cse.lehigh.edu:8080/~jhw204/hardy-r8168 |
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| 08:09.04 | nsadmin | what cpu is that? |
| 08:09.49 | craigevil | !rtl8168d |
| 08:09.49 | dpkg | [rtl8168d] the RealTek RTL8168D Ethernet controller. v1 is supported in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21, ask me about <proposed-updates>. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for v1 and v2 was removed from the <r8169> driver; not currently packaged due to no clear redistribution permission (Debian bugs #561309, #564628). Both versions can operate without userspace firmware as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3. |
| 08:11.54 | nsadmin | !factinfo rtl8168d |
| 08:11.55 | dpkg | rtl8168d -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@gsimmons.org> at Wed Dec 2 07:33:45 2009 (52 days); last modified at Thu Jan 14 14:40:15 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 7 times, last by craigevil, 2m 5s ago. |
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| 08:13.09 | kleanchap | How do I add desktop lauchers in xfce? I have Google Earth (can't find in the menus) and Browser that I want on my desktop. |
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| 08:15.30 | miernik | Where I can find squeeze CD images? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ is empty |
| 08:17.42 | tobago | nsadmin, shall i pastie the choosable menu entries? |
| 08:17.59 | tobago | nsadmin, does it mean i should use a distro with kernel 2.6.32? |
| 08:18.30 | tobago | no it's not packed there anymore. |
| 08:18.37 | nsadmin | well debian can't distribute the firmware |
| 08:19.10 | nsadmin | which is why I'm not sure why I have that exact driver |
| 08:19.16 | StuckMojo | tobago: considering you can order it with ubuntu preinstalled, that would suggest you should be able to install it ;) |
| 08:19.32 | craigevil | tobago: you might try the kmuto installer that comes with 2.6.32 |
| 08:19.47 | nsadmin | canonical probably has a deal with them |
| 08:20.23 | tobago | craigevil, but as nsadmin pasted: 2.6.32 doesn't include the firmware for the nic as well. |
| 08:21.01 | rumpsy | miernik: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:21.05 | nsadmin | but it said that version of the driver doesn't need the firmware |
| 08:21.57 | man_in_shack | kleanchap, asked #xfce? |
| 08:22.01 | tobago | nsadmin, there are some tutorials out there advising how to add the nic driver afterwards (so this might work with an ubuntu installation, because they deliver all needed packages), but with netinstalation there is trouble... |
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| 08:24.00 | tobago | nsadmin, so you suggest me to use the experimental 2.6.32 kernel? |
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| 08:39.49 | nsadmin | tobago (not sure you have a netinst as opposed to say a business card image, but) what happens when you try to install, and let it try (and fail) to detect the network hardware? |
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| 08:40.47 | nsadmin | what is the size of the image? |
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| 08:47.04 | timahvo1 | Hi people |
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| 08:47.40 | timahvo1 | what is the easiest way /tool to determine how much bandwidth a particular app is using at a given time ? |
| 08:48.13 | AimHere | nettop? |
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| 08:48.40 | AimHere | I imagine you might find some doohickey in kde and gnome |
| 08:48.54 | timahvo1 | hmm |
| 08:49.14 | AimHere | But I know little of such new-fangled tomfoolery |
| 08:50.09 | timahvo1 | AimHere: thx |
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| 08:51.55 | spersaud | kind of sad #ubuntu has twice as much users as #debian :( |
| 08:52.36 | spersaud | I even use ubuntu now on a desktop still use debian on laptop though ... very strange whats happening |
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| 08:56.20 | spersaud | until I joined #slackware :) |
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| 08:58.37 | cast | and it's kind of sad that #debian has a higher aggregate skill level then #ubuntu |
| 09:01.26 | spersaud | cast: heh |
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| 09:05.34 | myrkraverk | hello, to questions: 1) how do I know which version of debian I'm running? is there something like /etc/redhat-release? |
| 09:06.13 | myrkraverk | 2) [yet to google] how do I install&enable apache? I thought I could use dselect, but I don't have that, apparently |
| 09:06.35 | SparFux | Hey all. How can I prevent make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers from rebuilding everything, but only the updated files? |
| 09:06.47 | myrkraverk | ok, apt-get install dselect helps -- working on 2) ;-D |
| 09:06.57 | cast | myrkraverk: did you try looking for a similar named file in etc? |
| 09:07.21 | myrkraverk | cast, didn't locate it at first glance, will look again now ;) |
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| 09:08.28 | myrkraverk | cast, found it, thank you |
| 09:09.47 | cast | just aptitude seach apache, aptitude install whatever |
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| 09:11.58 | Name1ess | oh, nuts. I was in KDE, and I pressed CTRL-ALT-F2. When I was done in the terminal, I pressed CTRL-ALT-F1, expecting to be returned to KDE, but I am still in a terminl. How do I rejoin my KDE session already running? |
| 09:12.36 | greenmang0 | Name1ess: CTRL+ALT+F7 |
| 09:12.56 | Name1ess | greenmang0: thank you :) |
| 09:14.37 | cast | just alt-f7 will do |
| 09:14.38 | AimHere | Name1ess, it's different for different distros |
| 09:14.52 | cast | AimHere: see, but we're in debian. |
| 09:15.44 | AimHere | Fair point, but for future reference, trying all the Ctrl+Alt+Fn combos might be useful |
| 09:20.09 | Name1ess | AimHere: I was expecting it to be F1, since I thought everything happened there. I had no clue that *nix ran a GUI in a different tty. |
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| 09:22.00 | myrkraverk | is there something like svgadm restart/reload <service> in debian? |
| 09:22.15 | myrkraverk | (solaris parlance) |
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| 09:24.32 | cast | /etc/init.d/srv restart |
| 09:24.53 | cast | and its svcadm ;p |
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| 09:25.27 | myrkraverk | ah, that's what it was -- I used to use something like this on redhat systems, ages ago |
| 09:25.39 | cast | service cmd |
| 09:25.43 | cast | may work on debian too |
| 09:26.01 | Qantourisc | Why is lsb so big ? (installing a half desktop to install a printer driver is insane), maybe i should extract the ppd files from the deb file ? (and how is that done plz :D) |
| 09:26.11 | cast | hmm, or not |
| 09:26.16 | cast | there is something... |
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| 09:28.04 | Qantourisc | a extract |
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| 09:50.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:50.39 | dpkg | <unimatrix> anyone know how to create a binary file in bash? |
| 09:51.44 | myrkraverk | dpkg, that's epic |
| 09:51.45 | dpkg | myrkraverk: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:51.57 | myrkraverk | dpkg, so do I |
| 09:51.58 | dpkg | myrkraverk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 09:52.05 | myrkraverk | dpkg, no |
| 09:52.06 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 09:52.32 | myrkraverk | dpkg, sorry, the only nordic country I speak fluently is Icelandic |
| 09:52.33 | dpkg | myrkraverk: what are you talking about? |
| 09:52.42 | myrkraverk | dpkg, I wish I knew |
| 09:52.43 | dpkg | myrkraverk: i haven't a clue |
| 09:52.47 | myrkraverk | good |
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| 09:57.27 | xinming | anyone here knows the reason why will 2.6.32 kernel apeend a trunk instead of 0? |
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| 10:00.06 | liable | eh? |
| 10:02.18 | xinming | Normally, I saw the kernel version have a number appended, But why this time a word "trunk" ? :-) |
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| 10:03.21 | liable | thats usually because its a snapshot from version control |
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| 10:08.02 | macrobat | xinming: it is git version control |
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| 10:12.42 | themill | xinming: because these are development snapshots and the ABI is changing on pretty much every upload (i.e. you are responsible for managing out-of-tree module recompilation and apt isn't going to help you with knowing whether you should or not) |
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| 10:16.14 | tobago | isn't there a debian iso for installing the rudimental debian without the need of a network access? |
| 10:16.31 | tobago | i only saw a 4.4 gb sized full debian. |
| 10:17.00 | Oxy-D | yes |
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| 10:17.17 | Oxy-D | the netboot can install only kernel + some package |
| 10:17.27 | tobago | i thought about a 700mb sized debian (like the ubuntu). |
| 10:17.27 | Oxy-D | netinst* |
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| 10:17.39 | tobago | Oxy-D, no netinst! |
| 10:17.54 | tobago | my nic is not supported by debian. |
| 10:17.54 | Oxy-D | netinstal can install minimal system. |
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| 10:18.15 | Oxy-D | i do this with my laptop :) |
| 10:18.21 | tobago | Oxy-D, the netinstal wants to recognize the nic first and breaks when there is no support for it. |
| 10:19.12 | Oxy-D | are you sure? |
| 10:19.51 | Oxy-D | when i'm tested this, i just choose "not use miror" when it's asked. |
| 10:19.51 | tobago | Oxy-D, yes i am. i use d this one: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2632-lenny.htm |
| 10:20.01 | tobago | Oxy-D, and it doesn't work for me. |
| 10:20.24 | Oxy-D | you can skip the hardware detection. |
| 10:20.38 | Oxy-D | or installing debian with debootstrap. |
| 10:21.14 | tobago | Oxy-D, do you have a good link to read about it? in my installer menu, there was no entry to "skip network detection" |
| 10:21.56 | Oxy-D | mh. |
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| 10:22.26 | Oxy-D | when you go back, you can choose another step. |
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| 10:23.36 | _santa | Hello |
| 10:24.01 | tobago | Oxy-D, i can choose language, keyboard layout cd-rom detection, nic, debconf priority, debug logs, shell and cancel |
| 10:24.34 | tobago | that's all and using cd-rom-detection/ nic detection it fails and returns back to main menu. |
| 10:24.38 | nsadmin | what is the size of the image? |
| 10:24.51 | _santa | Can anybody plz explain me how to make UDEV rules? I need the system to see my HDD not as hda but sda. |
| 10:25.39 | tobago | nsadmin, around 314 (the whole debian installation setup) |
| 10:25.59 | tobago | nsadmin, i created an usb installer by unetbootin... |
| 10:26.39 | tobago | the original iso was around 200+... |
| 10:26.47 | nsadmin | megabytes? |
| 10:26.51 | tobago | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:27.01 | nsadmin | ok, one sec |
| 10:27.08 | nsadmin | !kmuto |
| 10:27.08 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 10:27.32 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 10:27.48 | tobago | nsadmin, yes, that image: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2632-lenny.htm |
| 10:28.10 | tobago | nsadmin, Intel Atom Z530 1.6GHz |
| 10:28.45 | nsadmin | what arches can you run on that? i386? amd64? |
| 10:28.54 | tobago | nsadmin, i386 |
| 10:29.22 | dutchfish | tobago, if i am not mistaken the kmuto installers are build from SID they differ in size quiet some |
| 10:29.29 | nsadmin | ok, go to the page in the above link, and get the 0116 one |
| 10:29.49 | nsadmin | in the i386 section |
| 10:30.09 | tobago | nsadmin, heh, i was using: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2632-lenny.htm --> it's the i386 of 0116. |
| 10:30.51 | dutchfish | _santa, http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 10:31.08 | kleanchap | I thought I installed Google Earth on my system by doing "aptitude install Google..." |
| 10:31.11 | _santa | dutchfish: thank you |
| 10:31.15 | nsadmin | yes, understood... try the one I'm suggesting; it will give you (I hope) two pathways to your goal |
| 10:31.24 | tobago | nsadmin, as i said the iso is 200+mb (244mb to be exactly) |
| 10:31.48 | kleanchap | Is there something else that needs to be done? I can't find the Google icon in any of the menus. |
| 10:32.04 | nsadmin | so this is a different one? |
| 10:32.04 | tobago | nsadmin, i don't understand. you were suggesting me: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2632-lenny.htm which i already used. |
| 10:32.51 | tobago | no it's exactly the one you mentioned |
| 10:33.05 | nsadmin | it's not called lenny-custom-0116.iso? |
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| 10:33.16 | nsadmin | that is the right size |
| 10:33.32 | tobago | nsadmin, it's called: lenny-custom-0116.iso |
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| 10:33.41 | nsadmin | yeah, that's the one |
| 10:33.42 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 10:33.53 | LuciusMare | what is an easy way to switch to 64-bit? |
| 10:33.55 | tobago | nsadmin, ?!?. that was the iso i used... |
| 10:33.58 | nsadmin | so this is a different one you were trying from before? |
| 10:34.01 | LuciusMare | i have fully configured 32-bit system |
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| 10:34.12 | LuciusMare | and i just realized i have a 64-bit cpu >_> |
| 10:34.20 | LuciusMare | do i just need to switch the kernel? |
| 10:34.22 | tobago | nsadmin, no. it's exactly the one is used. |
| 10:34.40 | nsadmin | LuciusMare: it's more than that (but you can run a 64 bit kernel) |
| 10:34.48 | LuciusMare | aw |
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| 10:35.02 | LuciusMare | so, how do i do that? |
| 10:35.08 | LuciusMare | not just the kernel, i mean |
| 10:35.26 | nsadmin | you have to basically wipe and reinstall or sortof like that |
| 10:35.33 | nsadmin | do you have extra space? |
| 10:35.43 | LuciusMare | ay |
| 10:35.52 | LuciusMare | i spent my last four days configuring this |
| 10:35.52 | nsadmin | so far unpartitioned? |
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| 10:35.56 | LuciusMare | nope |
| 10:36.08 | eix | how can I allow a chrooted process to access a talkd daemon (not jailed) running on 127.0.0.1 only (via hosts.allow)? |
| 10:36.26 | nsadmin | did you keep a configuration journal? |
| 10:36.30 | eix | it is working outside the chroot |
| 10:37.07 | nsadmin | copy the talkd to the chroot |
| 10:37.27 | nsadmin | wait what do you mean by access? |
| 10:37.44 | eix | nsadmin: and if talkd will run from chroot, can I use it from outside the chroot? |
| 10:38.00 | eix | right now the daemon is not found by jailed processes |
| 10:38.09 | eix | while it is found outside of it |
| 10:38.16 | nsadmin | tobago: so you downloaded this image and wrote it to the usb drive? |
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| 10:39.00 | nsadmin | well copy the talk client to the chroot |
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| 10:39.13 | eix | nsadmin: the talk client is already inside the chroot |
| 10:39.14 | nsadmin | see if that can contact the talkd |
| 10:39.31 | eix | nsadmin: it says "no talkd daemon found" or something like that |
| 10:39.31 | eix | because I assume that he cannot access the 127.0.0.1's talkd port |
| 10:39.42 | nsadmin | the talkd is running now? |
| 10:39.47 | eix | yes |
| 10:39.51 | eix | from outside chroot |
| 10:39.53 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 10:40.03 | eix | nsadmin: it runs on-demand via xinetd, actually |
| 10:40.33 | eix | I think I won't be able to start talkd inside the chroot without xinetd (or yes?), if even it would work from outside |
| 10:40.52 | dutchfish | eix, sockets inside a chroot can only talk within its own process space |
| 10:41.10 | eix | dutchfish: mmh..thanks, I suspected that |
| 10:41.12 | dutchfish | eix, localhost spoken |
| 10:41.23 | eix | dutchfish: yes |
| 10:41.31 | dutchfish | eix, so you could tunnel through a non-localhost connection |
| 10:41.36 | eix | dutchfish: so maybe if I run talkd from the chroot it will be visible from outside? |
| 10:41.39 | dutchfish | eix, chears |
| 10:41.50 | nsadmin | chairs too! |
| 10:42.00 | dutchfish | :) |
| 10:42.32 | nsadmin | chugging chairs can splinter a friendship |
| 10:43.03 | WormFood | is there a tool in debian that can merge 2 mpeg videos? I have a video in 2 files, I want to merge into one (I'm still baffled why'd they cut a 45 minute video into 2 parts in the first place) |
| 10:43.04 | dutchfish | nsadmin, ? |
| 10:43.16 | WormFood | I should specify in debian sid |
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| 10:43.42 | cast | WormFood: wonder if cat would render a playable [in mplayer] video |
| 10:44.01 | WormFood | cast, I don't want to play it, I want to handbrake it, so I can watch it on my psp |
| 10:44.22 | eix | let's look at it the other way round: if I create a pipe inside the chroot, can I read it from outside? |
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| 10:44.30 | WormFood | cast, I also wondered the same thing, but I doubt it will work |
| 10:44.39 | WormFood | sure eix, why not? |
| 10:44.53 | eix | WormFood: because sockets to localhost won't work |
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| 10:45.05 | WormFood | a chroot is pretty simple really. |
| 10:45.39 | eix | WormFood: I need a 2-way communication between a chrooted user and non-chrooted one |
| 10:45.49 | cast | wonders how often people confuse chrooted with jailed |
| 10:46.02 | eix | cast: it's both chrooted and jailed |
| 10:46.04 | WormFood | a socket to local host won't work in a chroot? |
| 10:46.23 | eix | WormFood: so I was told. the talkd daemon runs from normal env, while the client in the chroot jail |
| 10:46.40 | eix | WormFood: and the jailed user cannot see the daemon, no wonder why |
| 10:46.46 | cast | eix: gnu/kfreebsd? :) |
| 10:46.51 | eix | daemon runs only on 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:46.54 | eix | cast: linux! |
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| 10:47.03 | nsadmin | the chroot and the nonchroot are both in the same process space tho arn't they? |
| 10:47.11 | cast | didn't know linux had jails |
| 10:47.19 | eix | cast: kind of.. |
| 10:47.34 | cast | vserver and openvz are sufficiently close though |
| 10:47.37 | eix | is getting correct definition of process space |
| 10:47.55 | eix | cast: I am using a chrootable environment, not really a jail to speak techi |
| 10:47.57 | eix | *techie |
| 10:48.26 | eix | nsadmin: how can I answer correctly your question? I am unsure if I know what's the process space here |
| 10:49.01 | nsadmin | how would I make it so that a drive' |
| 10:49.10 | nsadmin | s mbr doesn't boot? |
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| 10:49.45 | cast | could dd over the bootloader, but normally one would just setup your bios/eeprom |
| 10:49.47 | nsadmin | eix: it's ok, I was just curious |
| 10:49.59 | eix | nsadmin: use fdisk to disable the bootable flag or else check what drive boots from bios |
| 10:50.05 | WormFood | eix, what application(s) are you attempting to execute from within the chroot? |
| 10:50.20 | cast | the bootable flag turns out to mean not much in fdisk |
| 10:50.28 | eix | WormFood: talkd from normal environment (via xinetd), while ytalk from chrooted environment |
| 10:50.39 | eix | cast: it might fool the BIOS though |
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| 10:50.53 | eix | WormFood: ytalk works from outside but does not from inside |
| 10:51.05 | cast | you set that flag on partitions, the bootloader will be in the MBR |
| 10:51.06 | nsadmin | well the mbr code is loading, there are presently two drives, the sata drive (which is what I want to boot) is preempted by the pata drive |
| 10:51.22 | nsadmin | so I want the pata drive to not run that code at all |
| 10:51.41 | WormFood | eix, are you sure you've properly duplicated the environment ytalk needed to correctly operate? Linked to the right files? |
| 10:51.41 | eix | nsadmin: I think you should remove the bootloader from PATA |
| 10:51.45 | eix | I have hardly seen a SATA drive to boot correctly |
| 10:51.48 | nsadmin | I want the bios to go"oh, this drive can't boot, go to the next" |
| 10:51.49 | WormFood | or, copied the right files. |
| 10:51.52 | Name1ess | nsadmin: is your BIOS set to boot the SATA drive before the PATA drive? |
| 10:51.59 | eix | WormFood: yes, it is fully scripted |
| 10:52.05 | nsadmin | I don't see such a setting |
| 10:52.06 | eix | WormFood: it uses ld to track the necessary libraries |
| 10:52.18 | WormFood | and how do you know what additional files it opens? |
| 10:52.19 | eix | Name1ess: it wont work |
| 10:52.24 | WormFood | that just tracks the libraries |
| 10:52.29 | eix | WormFood: ok I'll strace it |
| 10:52.42 | nsadmin | Nameless: in the boot order bios page it just says hd (moreorless) |
| 10:52.44 | WormFood | yes, that is what I was going to suggest...if you haven't tried it |
| 10:52.56 | Name1ess | hmm |
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| 10:53.57 | nsadmin | this mobo is asus m2a-vm |
| 10:54.24 | nsadmin | the mobo I just swapped out is asus m2npv-vm |
| 10:56.06 | nsadmin | to boot, I have to go to the grub shell of the pata drive and type in a buncha stuff, and I had to write it all down |
| 10:56.13 | WormFood | well, just for fun, I tried catting together those 2 mpeg files into one, and mplayer plays it just fine (I need to find where the split is, and see how it handles that) |
| 10:56.24 | dutchfish | eix, cast i was half wrong, Privilege separation doesnt imply process separation, however to create a socket outside the chroot you need host root privilidges for priviliged ports wich you dont have inside a chroot |
| 10:56.44 | eix | dutchfish: ah! that might be the problem |
| 10:57.04 | eix | dutchfish: perhaps I can allow network access to a chrooted user (from inside the chroot) without giving him root access? |
| 10:57.12 | dutchfish | nsadmin, cast, eix sorry for the confusion |
| 10:57.36 | eix | dutchfish: np |
| 10:58.31 | eix | WormFood: by strace I can see that basically the select() call times out |
| 10:59.04 | _santa | eix: I use GRUB in MBR of a SATA drive, it boots ok. But you are right about the bootable flag, It should be off |
| 10:59.12 | eix | WormFood: but it's not a missing file issue |
| 10:59.49 | eix | _santa: I have had all sort of issues while trying to boot SATA before PATA with GRUB, but finally I found the solution |
| 10:59.52 | eix | guess what: use LILO! |
| 10:59.56 | eix | lilo works perfectly |
| 11:00.07 | eix | (although I prefer GRUB on non-SATA drives) |
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| 11:05.17 | nsadmin | how does lilo solve the problem? |
| 11:07.20 | SparFux | lilo is annoying as it needs to be run to at all boot new kernels. if I forget to run update-grub in grub2, I can still use command line to boot everything. |
| 11:08.14 | xingu | on the plus side, lilo only cares about offsets, not fs metadata integrity |
| 11:08.28 | nsadmin | SparFux: yeah, that's why I like it too: if it weren't for grub, I coudn't boot |
| 11:08.28 | SparFux | xingu: yeah, that's the point. |
| 11:08.59 | eix | ok I give up with talkd and chrooted talk clients... |
| 11:09.07 | SparFux | Grub has an encrypted disk module. It's possible to have /boot encrypted, too. |
| 11:09.24 | xingu | grub can't boot a *deleted* kernel. :) |
| 11:09.49 | xingu | it also can't boot a hosed /boot-fs |
| 11:10.00 | nsadmin | anyway I'm off to look at bios again |
| 11:10.02 | SparFux | well, that's true. |
| 11:10.35 | eix | nsadmin: because when you boot SATA with LILO, it sees himself! GRUB does not see the disk he is running from |
| 11:11.00 | SparFux | what do you mean with that? |
| 11:11.06 | nsadmin | I thought that depends on how you install grub |
| 11:11.26 | SparFux | Perhaps there is even a way to not use fs metadata in grub, but know the disk location of kernel? |
| 11:11.55 | nsadmin | yes, that's how grub boots stage2 (unless it's chainloaded) |
| 11:12.10 | nsadmin | ls |
| 11:12.16 | SparFux | perhaps you can have it boot stage2 with presaved location data, too. Like in lilo. |
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| 11:13.53 | letynsoft | Hi all of you, I have a prolem with Sqashfs, googled all around internet and found no solution... i have disk-less PC and i'm trying to boot there self-created debian and when i try to boot it writes me "Cannot mount /dev/loop0 (/live..../filesystem.squashfs) //filesystem.squashfs |
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| 11:18.04 | _santa | Can i change somehow kernel menuconfig to make it see hdd as hda not sda? Does anyone know the name of this option in menuconfig ? |
| 11:19.11 | macrobat | wouldnt it be easier to use labels/uuid |
| 11:19.16 | macrobat | ? |
| 11:19.45 | macrobat | perhaps im assuming too much |
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| 11:28.28 | eix | macrobat: they simply dont work |
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| 11:41.30 | nsadmin | got the boot right! |
| 11:42.19 | OldParr | when loading firestarter t startup it launches an error "loading firestrter firewll failed" |
| 11:44.07 | nsadmin | what are you using firestarter for |
| 11:44.41 | OldParr | to prevent attacks |
| 11:45.21 | nsadmin | and you're running it on what, a separate machine that just does firewalling and has two nics? |
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| 11:45.39 | nsadmin | rememvber a firewall is a kind of router |
| 11:46.25 | cast | attacks? |
| 11:46.31 | cast | heh. |
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| 11:47.46 | OldParr | nsadmin: i just have one desktop machine, there is firestrter installed |
| 11:48.21 | OldParr | i discovered my keyboard performs different when i start firehol |
| 11:48.37 | nsadmin | so this machine has a routable IP? (not forexample 10.* or 192.168.*) |
| 11:48.56 | OldParr | yes it hs a dnamic ip |
| 11:49.20 | nsadmin | and it obtains this IP from your net provider's dhcp? |
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| 11:49.48 | OldParr | from my isp -yes- |
| 11:50.31 | nsadmin | ok... one thing you could do, is get one of those little plastic box routers like linksys or like that |
| 11:51.12 | OldParr | do you meaan "to buy it" ? |
| 11:51.39 | ewet | hi, I see the ralink rt61 firmware -- has it really become that simple to install that damn chip on debian machines? |
| 11:51.47 | nsadmin | then the linksys gets the IP from the provider and your desktop gets its IP from the linksys |
| 11:51.54 | nsadmin | yes, you'd buy it |
| 11:52.17 | OldParr | tht hardware will change my ip? |
| 11:52.27 | ewet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.53 | OldParr | that hardware will change my ip? |
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| 11:53.15 | nsadmin | the IPs on the inside of the littlrouter will be unroutable |
| 11:53.22 | ewet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.49 | nsadmin | the IP on the outside will be what the desktop used to have |
| 11:54.20 | nsadmin | it's not perfect but it's ok |
| 11:54.32 | OldParr | ahhh ok i understand is a router that acts like a protection |
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| 11:55.20 | nsadmin | right, as I said, a firewall is a kind of router |
| 11:55.29 | OldParr | thanks |
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| 11:57.47 | project2501a | hey guys, are there any diabetes management software available? |
| 11:58.31 | nsadmin | you mean other than take your pills, test your bloodsugar, exercise and control your diet? |
| 11:59.54 | gordonjcp | it's an interesting question |
| 12:00.00 | nsadmin | there are definitely food nutrition databases out there, ones you could load into a database |
| 12:00.19 | gordonjcp | nsadmin: one would assume it would be software to help keep track of all that |
| 12:02.04 | nsadmin | someone told me about another guy with diabetes that created his own database using blood sugar testing to document the effect of a wide range of foods, exercises and actually the pills themselves |
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| 12:02.47 | project2501a | nsadmin: yeah. you also need to keep track of what you eat, your carb intake and your shots |
| 12:03.10 | project2501a | nsadmin: that's what i want to do. plus, graphs |
| 12:03.21 | project2501a | most blood sugar meters have a usb interface |
| 12:03.40 | gordonjcp | project2501a: how do they talk to the host PC? |
| 12:03.41 | project2501a | i can plug mine in my laptop and it gets recognized, alright, though i can't talk to it |
| 12:03.46 | gordonjcp | okay |
| 12:03.47 | project2501a | usb |
| 12:03.53 | gordonjcp | yes, but what kind of USB? |
| 12:03.54 | project2501a | serial interface, really |
| 12:03.57 | gordonjcp | what does it appear as |
| 12:03.58 | gordonjcp | ah okay |
| 12:04.06 | gordonjcp | so you get a /dev/ttyUSB<something> entry? |
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| 12:04.31 | project2501a | ya. so, you just need to set the serial parameters correct and you're golden |
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| 12:04.36 | nsadmin | once he had a good sized db, he could (for example) eat whatever at thanksgiving, and know how many big pills (metformin/glucofage) and how many little pills (forgot) to take to counteract all the thanksgiving food... he can eat whatever and he knows how to keep the glucose count flat |
| 12:04.40 | gordonjcp | project2501a: okay |
| 12:04.48 | project2501a | if i could program a bluetooth device, i'd rule the world |
| 12:04.58 | project2501a | blood sugar meter + cell phone batter + bluetooth |
| 12:05.03 | project2501a | battery, even |
| 12:05.17 | gordonjcp | so when you plug your blood sugar meter in, can you get it to spit stuff out on the serial port? |
| 12:05.22 | project2501a | ew.pills. i just shoot up insulin. |
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| 12:05.39 | nsadmin | you're a type 1 diabetic? |
| 12:05.47 | project2501a | gordonjcp: not immediately. at least with the meters i have. |
| 12:05.50 | project2501a | nsadmin: yup |
| 12:05.54 | nsadmin | and yes, those pills stink |
| 12:06.07 | project2501a | i prefer just insulin and running and karate |
| 12:06.12 | project2501a | and sex when the gf is around. |
| 12:06.37 | project2501a | NO THIS IS NOT #slashdot, slashdot JOKES ABOUT MY HAND NEED NOT APPLY |
| 12:06.41 | nsadmin | type 1s don't have a choice, or do they? |
| 12:06.45 | gordonjcp | project2501a: okay, so it may want some command to start it doing its thing |
| 12:07.05 | nsadmin | no hand jokes? damn... |
| 12:07.23 | project2501a | gordonjcp: the most difficult part is finding the correct serial port conf. i think it's 9600,N,1 |
| 12:07.38 | project2501a | but i haven't really looked into it. the rest is easy |
| 12:07.46 | gordonjcp | project2501a: guesswork? |
| 12:08.02 | project2501a | yeah. i just havent' gotten down to it. move to saudi arabia and all. |
| 12:08.13 | project2501a | nsadmin: choice about what? |
| 12:08.24 | project2501a | exercise? not really |
| 12:08.27 | nsadmin | don't you have to do insulin? |
| 12:08.33 | project2501a | ah, yeah. i do |
| 12:08.44 | project2501a | and i have to exercise something fierce |
| 12:09.00 | project2501a | i've been off karate practice for a month and half now and i'm paying the price |
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| 12:12.10 | gordonjcp | project2501a: is the protocol documented? |
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| 12:16.14 | project2501a | gordonjcp: of course not. do you think bayern is actually going to give up a pattern? :D |
| 12:16.25 | project2501a | the software they are providing is shit, by the way |
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| 12:20.29 | project2501a | hey #debian |
| 12:20.32 | project2501a | let me make you happy |
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| 12:22.01 | gordonjcp | project2501a: you could probably devise some way to sniff the serial traffic by running the provided software in wine |
| 12:22.18 | project2501a | gordonjcp: true |
| 12:22.36 | project2501a | i got about 3 different meter types |
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| 12:25.45 | mallxs | Hi i have a plain server and now i have added vncserver but i gives my only a grey screen, so now i have to install a desktop or something .... |
| 12:26.17 | mallxs | All i wanne do is have terminal screens .. ... what should i take ?? |
| 12:26.20 | project2501a | um, why do you need vnc server? |
| 12:26.22 | project2501a | screen |
| 12:26.28 | project2501a | ssh |
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| 12:27.47 | mallxs | well i don;t know what to say .. i usely do that .. |
| 12:27.53 | gordonjcp | do what? |
| 12:27.57 | mallxs | ssh |
| 12:28.20 | gordonjcp | okay, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 12:28.43 | mallxs | Then how can i start a terminal to my server so that i don't have to login for every tab |
| 12:29.27 | mallxs | I have some servers one desktop gnome and one xp |
| 12:29.53 | mallxs | the vnc whas ment for my xp screen |
| 12:31.25 | project2501a | hey #debian, this one is for you: http://www.flickr.com/photos/project2501a/4296904671/ |
| 12:31.56 | project2501a | mallxs: use ssh-agent to load up your key once |
| 12:32.21 | mallxs | lol i have only 2 24" screens but linked with synergy and that works very nice |
| 12:33.02 | project2501a | that |
| 12:33.06 | project2501a | that is a single workstation |
| 12:33.13 | project2501a | now, i'm REALLY annoyed at gnome |
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| 12:33.19 | linduxed | ive got a SATA-dock that i've put a drive into. the dock is hooked up through eSATA. where does it pop up in /dev? |
| 12:33.46 | project2501a | can i please turn off that f#$*$(#*$(#*ing maximize-on-start behavior? |
| 12:33.49 | mallxs | Wander where thet stick is for ? |
| 12:34.04 | project2501a | linduxed: did you take a look at dmesg ? |
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| 12:34.52 | linduxed | project2501a: hmmm, end_request I/O error |
| 12:35.03 | linduxed | project2501a: for sdb |
| 12:35.47 | project2501a | linduxed: dunno if there's a special driver to be loaded for esata |
| 12:35.49 | project2501a | there shouldnt' be |
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| 12:36.26 | linduxed | project2501a: hmmmm |
| 12:38.27 | mallxs | project2501a: is that your work station ? |
| 12:39.03 | project2501a | mallxs: yeah at work |
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| 12:39.31 | mallxs | wow man .. @ work i only have only tree screens ... always a boss over boss |
| 12:40.11 | mallxs | but what is that stick for ? |
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| 12:41.43 | oroep | hello |
| 12:42.19 | project2501a | mallxs: lusers |
| 12:42.19 | mallxs | project2501a: and why does gnome annoyed you ? |
| 12:42.25 | project2501a | cluex4 |
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| 12:44.19 | PrickelPit | hello there, which meta-package do i have to install to get complete kde4 desktop? |
| 12:44.33 | macrobat | maybe its notgnome, but metacity? |
| 12:45.28 | project2501a | macrobat: either. i don't care right now. i care not to have the f&*#$(#$&(#_!@#)!@(#*ing window maximize over 4 desktops |
| 12:46.05 | oroep | I want to dist-upgrade my debian; when apt tries to install texlive-lang-arab, pdftex crashes badly (free(): invalid pointer: 0x09c506c9)... So at the moment I've got some broken deps I don't know how to fix... |
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| 12:47.04 | macrobat | project2501a: some other window managers might be better. idk how awesome works with gnome |
| 12:47.27 | project2501a | oroep: dpkg --get-selections |
| 12:47.46 | macrobat | i dont know how metacity works |
| 12:47.47 | project2501a | get a list of selections, remove package that breaks everything else |
| 12:49.48 | oroep | hum, sorry? I'm not getting how to use that command's output... |
| 12:50.01 | oroep | anyway the texlive stuff is causing troubles |
| 12:50.15 | oroep | and I guess anything is due to texlive-lang-arab which cannot be installed... |
| 12:50.16 | jelly-home | oroep: eh, remove the package, upgrade install back? |
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| 12:51.26 | macrobat | purge the pkg |
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| 12:54.32 | project2501a | http://www.flickr.com/photos/project2501a/4297677554/ i think i got enough terminals. |
| 12:54.43 | oroep | I'm getting lost... |
| 12:55.27 | oroep | purging any texlive package doesn't get me anywhere: apt complains about unmet dependences and tells me to run "apt-get -f install" (which won't wort) to fix stuff |
| 12:55.50 | oroep | texlive packages are too many to remove all of them by hand... |
| 12:56.43 | jelly-home | oroep: purge them using apt-get |
| 12:57.07 | oroep | it's what I did... |
| 12:57.26 | oroep | apt-get --purge remove texlive-lang-arab # or texlive-{whatever} ... |
| 12:58.32 | jelly-home | and apt said what exactly? |
| 12:58.33 | oroep | (or also `apt-get purge texlive-lang-arab` ... which should be the same, if I got it well) |
| 12:58.51 | jelly-home | (use a pastebin, show the whole output) |
| 12:58.54 | oroep | sure |
| 12:59.20 | oroep | http://pastebin.com/m1a948d49 |
| 12:59.22 | oroep | here it is |
| 12:59.41 | mallxs | is there a way to set the "list" as the default view in "file browser" |
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| 13:00.59 | mallxs | and it also annoys that it always opens a new screen |
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| 13:04.27 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 13:04.40 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a command-line tool that can edit ogg/vorbis comment fields? |
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| 13:05.22 | uncmar | What does this mean in the password file? username:!!:1006:100::/home/username:/bin/false |
| 13:05.30 | man_in_shack | nvm, vorbiscomment from vorbis-tools |
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| 13:05.46 | man_in_shack | uncmar, "man passwd" is your friend |
| 13:06.07 | man_in_shack | uncmar, though the "/bin/false" at the end of the line means you can't log in (directly) to that user |
| 13:06.29 | izua | hello. i moved a system from a box with a single network interface to another box with two network interfaces. eth0 became eth0_rename |
| 13:06.29 | uncmar | I was wondering more about the :!!: instead of the usual :x: |
| 13:06.54 | man_in_shack | uncmar, the !! and x serve the same function. * is also common for that field |
| 13:06.57 | izua | the trouble is that i now have to run dhclient manually every time. what do i alter to set dhclient to run on eth0_rename ? |
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| 13:07.36 | man_in_shack | uncmar, it's a historic artefact from when passwords were stored in the passwd file and not the shadow file |
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| 13:08.07 | uncmar | man_in_shack: so that field doesn't matter? |
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| 13:08.35 | eshat | Hi all |
| 13:08.39 | eshat | Does kopete support webcam for MSN/Windows Live ??? |
| 13:08.44 | man_in_shack | you can put anything in that field, as long as it's not a valid hashed password |
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| 13:09.30 | man_in_shack | uncmar, i'm not sure if tools like login or su actually check for valid passwords in that field or not, but it's generally safe to ignore it |
| 13:09.36 | \amethyst | it does matter... 'x' means 'the password is in /etc/shadow', a valid password hash means that's the user's password and not to consult /etc/shadow, an empty string means an empty password, and anything else means the user connot log in with a password |
| 13:10.06 | man_in_shack | \amethyst, "!!" is equally as invalid as "x" or "*" |
| 13:10.12 | \amethyst | yes |
| 13:10.28 | \amethyst | but '!!' or '*' are different from 'x' if I read the manpage right |
| 13:10.36 | \amethyst | with the first two, /etc/shadow won't even be consulted |
| 13:10.42 | man_in_shack | oh? |
| 13:10.59 | \amethyst | "If the password field is a lower-case âxâ, then the encrypted password is actually stored in the shadow(5) file instead |
| 13:11.15 | \amethyst | from passwd(5) |
| 13:11.17 | man_in_shack | indeed |
| 13:11.23 | man_in_shack | didn't know that |
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| 13:12.26 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: "!" and "*" are the characters which are never found in "crypt" encrypted strings.. so these chars are invalid .. IIRC |
| 13:13.07 | greenmang0 | so to disable the password either of these chars are used |
| 13:13.22 | uncmar | thank you. |
| 13:13.59 | mallxs | in the /etc/init.d/apache2 they talk about addhost and enhost ... but addhost is not found in debian ? is there a something like that ? |
| 13:14.02 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: CMIIW |
| 13:14.04 | man_in_shack | greenmang0, yes, but in the case of "x", /etc/shadow will be consulted for a password (according to manpage for /etc/passwd) :D |
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| 13:14.16 | greenmang0 | man_in_shack: yeah... right |
| 13:14.28 | Night_Elf | hi all. I'm installing 'squeeze' on a USB via debootstrap. When it comes to grub, I get the message "can not find list of partitions". On /boot/grub/ ( /boot is a different partition, other than / ) there's no menu.lst file. What can I do ? |
| 13:16.09 | \amethyst | greenmang0: yes, any string with ! or * is invalid, but also any string with fewer than 13 characters |
| 13:16.24 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: ok... :) |
| 13:16.26 | \amethyst | greenmang0: so ! and * are doubly invalid :) |
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| 13:16.45 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: hmm |
| 13:19.00 | \amethyst | greenmang0: oddly, some of my system users have ! and some have * in /etc/shadow... I guess an artefact of having an 8-year-old install |
| 13:20.15 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: or may be they are not crypt encrypted .. or older version of crypt must have been used |
| 13:21.20 | letynsoft | Hi all of you, I have a prolem with Sqashfs, googled all around internet and found no solution... i have disk-less PC and i'm trying to boot there self-created debian and when i try to boot it writes me "Cannot mount /dev/loop0 (/live..../filesystem.squashfs) //filesystem.squashfs |
| 13:21.46 | \amethyst | greenmang0: it's definitely not generated by crypt... these are passwordless users. But apparently useradd changed from using '*' to '!' back to '*' over the past 8 years :) |
| 13:22.11 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: hehe |
| 13:22.32 | \amethyst | hm, actually, from ! to * |
| 13:22.41 | poisonbit | I'm updating some old scripts... what should be in aptitude the equiv of apt-get -yy --force-yes dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:22.45 | \amethyst | the first set of users with * are the ones from base-passwd |
| 13:23.06 | \amethyst | the first user with a '!' is the one just after my primary user account |
| 13:24.48 | \amethyst | poisonbit: as far as I can tell, aptitude doesn't have an equivalent of --force-yes |
| 13:24.49 | eshat | how do i close a channel in irssi ? |
| 13:24.55 | \amethyst | poisonbit: at least not on the command line |
| 13:25.44 | poisonbit | ouch |
| 13:25.49 | eshat | found it '/windows close' |
| 13:26.01 | poisonbit | and... can I configure apt, te work as aptitude in an easy way ? |
| 13:26.12 | poisonbit | to work (recomends/suggests, etc) |
| 13:26.32 | uncmar | eshat: and I usually just use /win c Short version. |
| 13:26.34 | \amethyst | you can't get the apt resolver with apt-get, if that's what you're asking |
| 13:26.34 | man_in_shack | hmmmm |
| 13:26.53 | man_in_shack | is it possible to get awk to print all fields from 2 and on? |
| 13:27.03 | eshat | uncmar: ahh great, good to know |
| 13:27.06 | \amethyst | poisonbit: it does have --install-recommends/--no-install-recommends |
| 13:27.38 | uncmar | eshat: most of the commands have short commands. I move through the windows using /win windownumber like. /win 5 |
| 13:28.01 | poisonbit | thanks \amethyst I'm going to add that to apt-get (I was trying to replace by aptitude all the script) |
| 13:28.01 | apt | poisonbit: sure thing |
| 13:28.10 | eshat | uncmar: why not Alt+left[right}]Arrow |
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| 13:29.04 | uncmar | some interfaces don't work with it. A lot of times I am in irssi via ssh. Possibly using putty or putty on a Windows Mobile device. |
| 13:29.25 | uncmar | eshat: also, I can much more quickly jump from window 5 to window 11. |
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| 13:31.58 | eshat | uncmar: that's true |
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| 13:37.06 | man_in_shack | yay, retagging all my music with uppercase ogg comment keys instead of lowercase |
| 13:38.24 | man_in_shack | looks like oggenc is buggy by writing the lowercase comment keys in the first place |
| 13:39.04 | eshat | Can I get a ffmepg with support for all codecs (h264/divx/xvid) ? A repository would be nice (no compiling). |
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| 13:40.06 | eshat | *ffmpeg |
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| 13:40.30 | leon2k | Hi! i am trying to configure my radeon 3850hd to work with debian but the video playback does not really work :( Does anyone know why that could be ? |
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| 13:48.32 | kazanbas | hi, 'apt-cache show mingw32' says "Freedom through obsolescence. Those who still really need to can now build windows executables from the comfort of Debian." |
| 13:48.51 | kazanbas | does this mean there's a better way? |
| 13:49.26 | man_in_shack | kazanbas, why do you need to build windows executables? |
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| 13:50.29 | kazanbas | man_in_shack: I want to build a windows version of a cross-platform app for testers |
| 13:51.41 | man_in_shack | then you need mingw32 or a native-windows compiler |
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| 13:52.09 | kazanbas | man_in_shack: ok, thanks |
| 13:52.16 | ewet | hi, is there a way to run the rt61pci in master mode? |
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| 13:53.49 | ewet | I'm getting "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :" here |
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| 14:09.50 | aftertaf | hi. Can anyone help me with apache and mod_rewrite setting? I cant get it to work |
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| 14:11.01 | mallxs | pls advice: installed apache2 and php5-commen but the server still services only the source of the .php file ? |
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| 14:11.35 | abrotman | did oyu install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
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| 14:11.43 | themill | dpkg: tell mallxs about php wants me to download still |
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| 14:13.15 | mallxs | thx themill .. browser cache !! |
| 14:13.33 | project2501a | hey #debian : enjoy |
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| 14:14.08 | Milp_main | Hi everyone, when i cross compile busybox on debian, where do i find the output of the sucessful make process? |
| 14:14.10 | themill | mallxs: presuming that you've actually installed php properly which abrotman was asking you to check. |
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| 14:16.18 | mallxs | abrotman sorry did not see that .. yes the first thing did was compare it with my other server and all looked the same including libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:17.14 | aftertaf | for the mod_rewrite problem... is there a simple fix or it it case of person-syntax error.... ? |
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| 14:31.03 | aftertaf | for info, i have googled, and tried suggestions... but i think if missed something fundamental :/ |
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| 14:32.07 | themill | aftertaf: #apache might be a better place to ask |
| 14:32.17 | aftertaf | :) er, of course ;) |
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| 14:33.20 | asfdg | please can somebody suggest what ISO I need to download to do a squeeze/testing netinstall on amd64? |
| 14:33.48 | asfdg | debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso seems to be devoid of *ALL* network card modules. |
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| 14:35.00 | thms_ | I have an internection connection on eth0, how can I do that I can use my eth1 to connect another PC and get internet on it ? |
| 14:35.17 | abrotman | asfdg: use stable ? |
| 14:35.32 | asfdg | abrotman: then dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:35.44 | asfdg | hmm, may have to :( |
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| 14:39.15 | nsadmin | asfdg install the base, reboot, install full kernel with modules after rebooting, get your card recognized, make that permanent (list module in somewhere like /etc/modules so it comes in at boot), configure net |
| 14:39.58 | elik | I guess this question popped a few time in the last few hours, but I'm having a hard time with the new kernel (linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64) and my nvidia driver (nvidia-kernel) |
| 14:41.00 | asfdg | nsadmin: the 'netinst' image has a base image on it? |
| 14:41.27 | nsadmin | yep |
| 14:41.37 | asfdg | ah, ok thanks :) |
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| 14:41.41 | nsadmin | which will be installed if you don't configure net |
| 14:41.49 | asfdg | it seems a little counter intuative to me. |
| 14:41.57 | nsadmin | meetoo, misnamed. |
| 14:42.23 | elik | Something to do with KernLoadAGPPages and agp_memory having no memory member |
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| 14:42.42 | elik | Should I look for bugs on the headers package? Or the nvidia-source package? |
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| 14:46.55 | nsadmin | tobago: so, the first time we talked did you have a different install image on your usb? |
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| 14:47.51 | tobago | nsadmin, there is still the lenny-custom-0116.iso on the usb, which didn't work for me because the nic was not recognized. |
| 14:48.19 | tobago | i always was talking about this iso. |
| 14:48.25 | nsadmin | and that's the very first image you got? |
| 14:48.55 | nsadmin | I thought you first had one with a 2.6.26 kernel |
| 14:49.04 | tobago | nsadmin, never. |
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| 14:50.56 | nsadmin | I wonder if it's possible to use a ubuntu netinst to install debian |
| 14:51.06 | tobago | nsadmin, i also found a compiled driver package for my nic: r8186_1-2_2.6.24.19.deb. but this package seems to be for an older kernel. |
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| 14:51.28 | nsadmin | right, 2.6.24? |
| 14:52.02 | tobago | nsadmin, the ubuntu was pre installed. i don't know if they used an netinstall. but i assume they used the 700mb version (where you don't need net access) |
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| 14:52.56 | tobago | nsadmin, i guess it is for 2.6.24 (the name makes me believe it) |
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| 14:53.25 | tobago | nsadmin, i mean, why it is so hard to install debian without a supported nic? |
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| 14:53.54 | tobago | if i could get the os on the pc, i later could deal with the nic and its driver. |
| 14:54.14 | nsadmin | I think that netinst is broken if it doesn't allow you to leave the net unconfigured |
| 14:54.21 | oreo | hey! i'm having a problem accomplishing something with PAM, SSH and OPIE. What I want to do is allow root access if the correct private key is used, or accept another account with OPIE. Help greatly appreciated. |
| 14:54.41 | tobago | is there no iso like the ubuntu one for systems without net access? |
| 14:55.02 | elik | Has anyone been able to build nvidia-kernel-source against linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64? I can't see any report in the bugs on either packages in the BTS |
| 14:55.10 | tobago | i found a 4gb sized, but something that fits onto an usb stick? nothing in between? |
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| 14:55.39 | nsadmin | try the plain lenny netinst |
| 14:55.52 | nsadmin | it should let you install the base |
| 14:56.26 | tobago | nsadmin, can you give me the link (i don't want to download the wrong iso again). |
| 14:56.32 | tobago | please? |
| 14:56.35 | \amethyst | there is a CD1 |
| 14:56.47 | \amethyst | if you want more software than is on the netinst |
| 14:56.50 | \amethyst | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:57.09 | nsadmin | tobago, so you did download and try other images? |
| 14:57.12 | \amethyst | (replace i386 with amd64 etc if that's what you want) |
| 14:57.30 | tobago | nsadmin, no. o didn't try other images except the mentioned. |
| 14:57.46 | tobago | \amethyst, no. that's correct. |
| 14:57.56 | nsadmin | what's the part about "dowload the wrong iso again" |
| 14:58.04 | tobago | \amethyst, so the first is sufficient? |
| 14:58.39 | tobago | nsadmin, this one seems to be the wrong one: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/amd64/lenny-custom-0116.iso |
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| 14:59.43 | nsadmin | you didn't want the amd64 one tho; I thought you had an atom |
| 14:59.52 | LuciusMare | what kernel should i have on testing? |
| 15:01.02 | nooper | 2.6.32-5 was moved from sid to squeeze yesterday |
| 15:01.18 | tobago | nsadmin, well. yes that link was wrong. i meant: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/lenny-custom-0116.iso |
| 15:01.23 | LuciusMare | aw,great |
| 15:01.29 | LuciusMare | i have 2.6.30 |
| 15:01.33 | LuciusMare | and i cant upgrade |
| 15:01.41 | nooper | why not |
| 15:02.17 | LuciusMare | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:02.20 | LuciusMare | :( |
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| 15:04.27 | oroep | while upgrading texlive-lang-arab, pdftex crashed badly (""free(): invalid pointer: 0x088ca6c9)... now I cannot install/remove nothing because of texlive broken packages... also tried to purge texlive-lang-arab and texlive, but it keeps failing: http://pastebin.com/m1a948d49 . What should I do? |
| 15:06.38 | themill | oroep: were you trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze there? |
| 15:06.54 | elik | Has anyone been able to build nvidia-kernel-source against linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64? I can't see any report in the bugs on either packages in the BTS |
| 15:07.14 | oroep | themill: yes |
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| 15:07.50 | themill | oroep: what's the output of "aptitude -f full-upgrade"? |
| 15:08.01 | SparFux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.08 | SparFux | elik: what is nvidia kernel source? |
| 15:09.38 | oroep | themill: used `apt-get dist-upgrade` to upgrade the system... `aptitude -f full-upgrade`'s output is pretty long, it asks to install/remove/upgrade some stupp, should I put it on a pastebin? |
| 15:09.41 | SparFux | elik: ah, proprietary driver. elik: use nouveau? |
| 15:10.27 | elik | SparFux, huh? |
| 15:10.36 | SparFux | elik: nouveau.freedesktop.org |
| 15:10.48 | zenjuzu | I edit one of my runlevels to run minimal services (no X, for example) and do large upgrades, Xorg upgrades, and dist-upgrades from that runlevel. |
| 15:11.15 | SparFux | zenjuzu: you can't do that from all runlevels>? |
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| 15:11.53 | themill | oroep: yes, please stick the entire output in a pastebin. btw aptitude is the preferred tool for package management these days, particularly for big upgrades like this. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 15:12.59 | oroep | http://pastebin.com/m6fe5f942 |
| 15:13.01 | zenjuzu | SparFux: Easier IMHO to simply edit (in my case rc3.d) and then before the upgrading just type init 3, when done type init 2. |
| 15:13.13 | oroep | ok, I'm gonna say 'Y' and let aptitude upgrade my system... |
| 15:13.32 | elik | SparFux, well, ok, maybe, but that still won't help nvidia-kernel-source compile with the latest headers |
| 15:13.37 | SparFux | zenjuzu: But upgrading works when everything running, too. |
| 15:13.39 | zenjuzu | If you upgrade some services and they are in your runlevel, even if you stopped them before the upgrade, you will get prompts to restart them and it mucks things up... |
| 15:14.13 | SparFux | elik: Long time ago I tried proprietary driver and failed after weeks of trying. Moreover it is said this proprietary driver sucks. |
| 15:14.22 | zenjuzu | SparFux... well, it is simply safer to do it the way I describe... I got the pointer from Sidux' standard runlevels. |
| 15:14.55 | themill | oroep: that looks mostly fine. Just take note of the packages that it was planning to remove in lines 218-227 of your paste as you might want to reinstall them afterwards. |
| 15:14.58 | oroep | themill: nothing to do, aptitude is failing as well: http://pastebin.com/m35285f73 |
| 15:14.59 | SparFux | zenjuzu: I don't know.What can happen if not done your way? |
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| 15:15.21 | zenjuzu | SparFux... Things can break mid-install. |
| 15:15.29 | oroep | it because of texlive-lang-arab that cannot be upgraded due to pdftex crash... |
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| 15:15.35 | oroep | *it's |
| 15:15.37 | zenjuzu | SparFux... What CAN'T happen? I'm talking about Sid, btw. |
| 15:15.55 | zenjuzu | SparFux... totally unnecessary in Stable. |
| 15:16.33 | SparFux | zenjuzu: ok. Perhaps it's not a bad idea. But so far I had no really big problems even in sid. |
| 15:18.14 | zenjuzu | Me neither. ;) |
| 15:18.27 | zenjuzu | That's the thing about prevention... you only know when it DOESN'T work. |
| 15:18.32 | zenjuzu | :( |
| 15:18.53 | oroep | I mean, it's like I cannot either install or remove texlive-lang-arab, cause pdftex is somehow needed in order to remove texlive-lang-arab, and pdftex just crashes... |
| 15:19.29 | themill | oroep: eek. what versions of the texlive-binaries and texlive-base-bin packages do you have installed? |
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| 15:20.44 | elik | SparFux, well, never had a problem with the proprietary drivers, except I have to recompile against the kernel every new release. As far as sucking or not goes, I think it might have changed since "long time ago", since NVIDIA has more interest in the open source world, AND have access to their card's specs |
| 15:21.19 | SparFux | elik: Where can I get access to their card's specs? |
| 15:21.25 | oroep | themill, awww, I can I check that? |
| 15:21.49 | elik | SparFux, well, that's the thing, they have access, the rest don't |
| 15:22.00 | elik | SparFux, anyway, I'll try to see how they compare |
| 15:22.01 | SparFux | Ah, get it. :-) |
| 15:22.04 | themill | oroep: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy texlive-binaries texlive-base-bin" |
| 15:22.37 | SparFux | elik: That's why I will buy ATI next time again. ATI has released their card specs for free. |
| 15:22.49 | oroep | it looks like I haven't got them http://pastebin.com/m25d53814 |
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| 15:26.01 | elik | SparFux, well, ATI did more than NVIDIA in that respect, but NVIDIA paved the way in coding drivers for linux (although not open source). ATI just thought they were losing market shares and very recently opened their specs. It's a good move, but they didn't lead the way. Plus you might consider it a cheap labour move :P |
| 15:26.32 | themill | oroep: hmmm... but that should be where pdftex is coming from :( Let's try getting rid of all the tex stuff and then reinstalling it afterwards. "aptitude full-upgrade libkpathsea5_ libkpathsea4_ tex-common_" |
| 15:26.56 | LuciusMare | argh |
| 15:27.07 | LuciusMare | why there is no linux-kbuild-2630 in repos? |
| 15:27.25 | oroep | alright |
| 15:28.14 | SparFux | elik: better they not lead the way. vendors suck. They should let do the community do the software development. |
| 15:28.52 | SparFux | elik: Consider we get a very good very new kernel architecture and linux becomes obsolete, all the hassel with those proprietary stuff then restarts. No thanks. |
| 15:29.44 | elik | SparFux, I could almost hear you say hurd (lol) |
| 15:29.56 | SparFux | elik: no, exokernel. |
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| 15:35.48 | oroep | open: 4855; closed: 4986; defer: 0; conflict: 49 O No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
| 15:35.55 | oroep | hmm... not good I'd say |
| 15:36.14 | themill | try harder! |
| 15:36.31 | oroep | I am, an conflict is raising... |
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| 15:37.14 | themill | You presumably have other things installed that depend on those tex packages making it complicated to remove them. |
| 15:37.23 | elik | SparFux, http://www.firewing1.com/howtos/f11/nvidia |
| 15:37.35 | elik | SparFux, so apparently, 3d performance is not as good... |
| 15:37.37 | oroep | I guess so... |
| 15:38.53 | SparFux | Got any benchmarks? |
| 15:40.30 | elik | SparFux, couldn't find any |
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| 15:43.35 | oroep | it found a solution, but is going to Leave dependencies unresolved... |
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| 15:44.17 | oroep | and it's going to remove too many packages... even zip ... |
| 15:44.17 | DEbiansqueeze | should nviviafb load with non free drivers? |
| 15:44.57 | themill | oroep: not good.... |
| 15:45.57 | oroep | while removing tex packages I can see many errors... like "update-texmf-config not present: is tex-common installed?" |
| 15:46.17 | themill | yeah, since the answer is "no", that's to be expected |
| 15:46.40 | oroep | yeah, but I wonder how can apt go on... |
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| 15:47.07 | themill | oroep: you're letting it remove lots? |
| 15:47.13 | oroep | anyway it seems like it's managing to remove tex packages... |
| 15:47.14 | oroep | yes |
| 15:47.22 | oroep | I saved the list of packages it's removing |
| 15:47.28 | oroep | will install them back later |
| 15:47.51 | themill | oroep: many will probably get installed with a simple "aptitude install gnome" or similar anyway |
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| 15:48.15 | oroep | yes |
| 15:49.39 | LuciusMare | why there is no linux-kbuild-2630 ? |
| 15:49.45 | LuciusMare | how can i get it? |
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| 15:51.00 | themill | LuciusMare: squeeze now has the 2.6.32 kernel so you'll find that linux-kbuild-2.6.32 is there instead. |
| 15:51.24 | LuciusMare | then how come i am still running 2.6.30 when i had already upgraded? |
| 15:51.26 | gurugeek | What small debian-based distro can you recommend for router, gateway, and firewall purposes? 256MB memory |
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| 15:52.28 | LuciusMare | wait. a. minute. |
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| 15:52.35 | themill | LuciusMare: do you have the kernel metapackage linux-image-686 or linux-image-amd64 installed? |
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| 15:55.36 | LuciusMare | gosh |
| 15:55.40 | LuciusMare | stupid grub |
| 15:55.47 | LuciusMare | it kept autobooting from the 2.6.20 entry |
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| 15:58.15 | elik | themill, speaking of 2.6.32, heard anything about it failing with nvidia proprietary drivers? |
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| 15:58.56 | themill | no |
| 16:05.19 | LinkRage | I'm with 2.6.32-1-mepis-smp and nvidia 185.x I believe - working fine |
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| 16:10.32 | themill | elik: nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-trunk-686 just built fine here for me in a chroot. You will need the nvidia drivers from sid not from squeeze though. /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 16:11.44 | elik | themill, I am in squeeze... |
| 16:12.07 | elik | themill, did you mean sid? |
| 16:12.27 | elik | dpkg, nvidia squeeze |
| 16:12.28 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 16:13.03 | elik | themill, err, I just reread what you said |
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| 16:15.31 | _abc_ | hello |
| 16:16.10 | _abc_ | does anyone know which drivers to use for epson printers from avasys for debian? i have 3.1.0 and 3.7.0 pips drivers, and none is debian specific although they do offer debian as distribution to select |
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| 16:18.35 | Honeyman | Hi all. Seems I missed some changes in in squeeze, that disabled Ctrl-Alt-Backspace behaviour in X. I googled a bit and found the stuff like "Option "DontZap" "No"", but that didn't help. Can anyone hint me what is the proper way of enabling C-A-BS back in squeeze? |
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| 16:19.59 | themill | !dontzap |
| 16:20.00 | dpkg | To disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace in Lenny and Etch, place Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5). Squeeze users: server zapping is not enabled by default. To enable, execute "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server. |
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| 16:28.39 | bahadunn | upgrading to squeeze and I am getting errors processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_amd64.deb |
| 16:28.47 | bahadunn | any ideas? |
| 16:29.53 | themill | bahadunn: stick the entire error in a pastebin |
| 16:29.53 | themill | s/entire error/entire output/ |
| 16:30.14 | elik | themill, thanks for the info, I knew someone knew something about it :) |
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| 16:30.23 | themill | elik: np |
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| 16:31.00 | bahadunn | themill: http://pastebin.com/m2c7ac12c |
| 16:31.23 | themill | that's *not* the entire output |
| 16:31.54 | bahadunn | themill: http://pastebin.com/m12d6f8cf |
| 16:33.01 | bahadunn | seems I need to reboot I think |
| 16:33.23 | bahadunn | that pre install script is throwing error status 1 because the kernel version I have does not match what it wants |
| 16:33.23 | themill | bahadunn: and now read the actual output..... (lines 68 onwards) |
| 16:34.02 | themill | bahadunn: yes. What kernel are you currently running? (uname -r) |
| 16:34.07 | bahadunn | rebooting |
| 16:34.12 | bahadunn | hope it comes back up |
| 16:34.13 | bahadunn | :-P |
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| 16:35.25 | bahadunn | okay it's good now |
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| 16:38.09 | LuciusMare | how do i blacklist a kernel module? |
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| 16:41.23 | AimHere | LuciusMare, I think it has to go into /etc/blacklist.conf, or into a file that's read in order to make blacklist.conf |
| 16:42.21 | oreo | i'm having a problem accomplishing something with PAM, SSH and OPIE. What I want to do is allow root access if the correct private key is used, or accept another account with OPIE. Help greatly appreciated. |
| 16:42.22 | bahadunn | what is the default python version in squeeze? |
| 16:43.01 | themill | bahadunn: packages.debian.org/squeeze/python |
| 16:43.10 | LuciusMare | thanks |
| 16:43.25 | bahadunn | dang |
| 16:43.28 | bahadunn | not 2.6 yet |
| 16:43.55 | themill | bahadunn: ha! /msg dpkg python 2.6 |
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| 16:44.38 | bahadunn | themill: ah okay |
| 16:44.45 | bahadunn | themill: strange cause ubuntu has 2.6 |
| 16:44.49 | bahadunn | themill: but fair enough |
| 16:45.14 | themill | bahadunn: ubuntu has a very broken python 2.6... but let's not go there. |
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| 16:45.44 | bahadunn | themill: why does ubuntu do something like that |
| 16:45.50 | bahadunn | themill: does not seem so smart |
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| 16:49.52 | naquad | where can i find apt key for ftp.us.debian.org/squeeze? |
| 16:50.21 | ix | package debian-archive-keyring? |
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| 16:50.47 | naquad | ix: thank you |
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| 16:51.40 | naquad | odd |
| 16:51.42 | naquad | doesn't help |
| 16:52.49 | naquad | changed squeeze to testing |
| 16:52.51 | naquad | all good |
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| 17:09.52 | leejongwook | do i need to install xxx-dev package to programming with xxx ? |
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| 17:10.29 | leejongwook | i have "libncurses5" install but "libncurses5-dev" is not, and i can't find right header file |
| 17:10.34 | leejongwook | i mean installed |
| 17:10.43 | oroep | yes, you need it |
| 17:10.51 | leejongwook | thanks :) |
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| 17:11.55 | wolfric | trying to "apt-get install gcc" but it's asking me insert a new disk (debian gun/linux 5.0.3 lenny officla 1386 cd binary etc. I think i set it not to update online or something like that on install ( sorry bit of a debian/linux noob) |
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| 17:12.03 | wolfric | any quick fix? |
| 17:12.30 | JohnTeddy | If I added a repository that installed some packages (4 of them), but these packages are a bit broken. How do I roll back? Can I remove the packages and do apt-get --reinstall or something? |
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| 17:13.19 | leejongwook | wolfric, try "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 17:13.31 | leejongwook | wolfric, and i'll show you mine |
| 17:13.57 | wolfric | well simple problem fixed sorry. i'm running it through virtualbox accidently unmounted the img got it to install thanks |
| 17:14.22 | leejongwook | :P |
| 17:14.24 | Luser | JohnTeddy, if it's broken why would you reinstall it? |
| 17:14.34 | JohnTeddy | Luser: reinstall from the old sources |
| 17:14.43 | JohnTeddy | Luser: So I removed the sources with the bad packages in them |
| 17:14.51 | JohnTeddy | and did update |
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| 17:15.23 | leejongwook | when i have something broken, debian always told me this ---> 'try apt-get install -f' |
| 17:15.24 | Luser | JohnTeddy, then maybe do even a purge and then install again when you removed the bad repositories |
| 17:16.03 | leejongwook | @_@ well sorry for my short skill... (leaving...) |
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| 17:17.20 | physos | hi, I have a little problem with apt-listchanges it seems (or something underlying) http://pastebin.com/d56d76051 |
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| 17:18.33 | physos | somebody here who has an idea where I can get mor informations. Looks a bit as if the package list can not be filled. |
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| 17:18.58 | themill | physos: is /tmp full by any chance? |
| 17:20.08 | themill | physos: (check the output of: "df -Ph /tmp") |
| 17:20.14 | physos | themill: no, I even umounted the tmpfs. Seems that file never really gets created. |
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| 17:22.22 | physos | Well, I am not really sure apt-listchanges is the culprit. even -vvvv did not tell me at which package dpkg fails. |
| 17:22.40 | _abc_ | who has experience setting up avasys pips epson printer drivers on debian? |
| 17:22.51 | physos | just guessing the dpkg failure and apt-listchanges error are related. |
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| 17:24.05 | project2501a | hey guys: i found a bug in the grub-pc configuration: it doesn't detect the windows 7 partition correctly |
| 17:24.30 | project2501a | it inserted hd(0,0) where it was hd(0,1) |
| 17:25.40 | project2501a | specifically, the /etc/grub.d/30_otheros file has hd(0,0) instead of hd(0,1) |
| 17:25.44 | project2501a | where do i report this bug? |
| 17:28.01 | Luser | physos, look a the first lines of your pastbin: rm: cannot remove `/tmp/dpkgLipi12': Bad address . can you rm -rf /tmp/dpkgLipi12 manually? |
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| 17:30.08 | physos | Luser: the file is not there. |
| 17:30.16 | physos | Luser: checking something else now. |
| 17:30.38 | physos | k, found it. |
| 17:31.10 | physos | I first upgraded apt and aptitude which pulled new coreutils but an old kernel. |
| 17:31.20 | physos | coreutils is not working |
| 17:31.33 | physos | well, rm from coreutils |
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| 17:32.29 | physos | unclear wording up there, it did not pull the old kernel, just kept it. |
| 17:32.57 | astartoth | hi all. Is there a way to convert entries from kernel naming devices like /dev/sda4 to UUID ones? |
| 17:33.03 | astartoth | a script or something.. |
| 17:33.49 | \amethyst | astartoth: /sbin/blkid maybe? |
| 17:34.52 | astartoth | \amethyst, that command lists devices by blkid. but doesn't rewrite /etc/fstab. i'm looking for a way to rewrite /etc/fstab. Without having to rewrite it by hand |
| 17:38.42 | hid3 | Godd evening everyone. I had a native SCSI controller which had two disks on it (sda and sdb, sda was my boot/root device). Now I installed one more SCSI controller. It also has got two disks: sdc and sdd. The problem is that my BIOS doesn't support booting from the new controller. |
| 17:38.46 | hid3 | So I must have boot sector installed in sda disk. What should be enough configuration to do? Is it enough to set boot=/dev/sda and root=/dev/sdc1 in lilo.conf? Can I reformat that drive and use it for other purposes? |
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| 17:42.07 | hid3 | Anyone? |
| 17:44.26 | lk | hid3, I _think_ that'll do it, but it's been a while since I've used lilo. |
| 17:44.52 | hid3 | Looks like I booted using that configuration. |
| 17:45.29 | hid3 | Now I just want to cfdisk my sda and make clean fs there. The only thing which makes me worry is this message while reruning lilo: Warning: The boot sector and map file are on different disks. |
| 17:46.04 | ix | Is kjournald an ext3-specific thing? |
| 17:46.11 | ix | Or is it the same for all file systems? |
| 17:46.12 | lk | hid3, that's a necessary evil for you, I think. |
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| 17:47.23 | hid3 | lk: yeah, but will it be fine if I just wipe my sda? So MBR will be in sda and /boot & root will be in sdc with entries mentioned in lilo.conf? |
| 17:47.40 | hid3 | lilo is ftw! |
| 17:47.41 | lk | hid3, formatting doesn't wipe the MBR. |
| 17:48.02 | lk | Keep a boot disk handy, though. |
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| 17:48.35 | hid3 | yeah, know that. Just I'm not completely sure if after looking at MBR it doesn't start to look for /boot/map in the same disk (which still is there too). |
| 17:48.39 | lk | My grub thinks it's on sda2, whereas the drive is really sdb2. Anytime I run the update-grub command, I have to manually set the root partition or the system doesn't boot. |
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| 17:49.10 | smashie | hi, is there any reasonable way shaping ingress traffic that is NATed? the only "way" I know from using it many years ago is IMQ, but I dont like non-official (unstable) patches |
| 17:49.13 | lk | hid3, oh. hm... this does say it's an automatically generated thing: http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lilo-cfg.html |
| 17:49.21 | smashie | while I know about the "official sucessor" of IMQ which is IFB, I didnt find it as functional as IMQ once was .. nor did I get it to work in a nat'ed environment |
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| 17:50.04 | lk | hid3, no way to keep a /boot partition on the sda, I suppose? |
| 17:51.14 | hid3 | It's possible but I don't want it ;-) |
| 17:53.20 | lk | hid3, same here. |
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| 17:59.47 | jelly-home | ix: it's fs specific |
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| 18:01.17 | zub | Hi. How can I build a package from source with changed CFLAGS? |
| 18:01.35 | zub | I got the source, now plan to use debuild |
| 18:01.40 | ix | jelly-home: I'm mounting ext3 as ext2, but kjournald is still in effect. I think I am going to try to remove the journal with tune2fs. But thanks! |
| 18:01.58 | zub | but I didn't find where does it take CFLAGS value from + how can I change it (ideally on the command line for this one build) |
| 18:02.25 | jelly-home | ix: I think there will be one kjournald thread per mounted fs |
| 18:02.39 | Luser | zub, maybe look in debian/rules files |
| 18:02.40 | ix | jelly-home: Ah. That makes sense. |
| 18:03.11 | zub | Luser: thx |
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| 18:04.18 | zub | ok, found CFLAGS mentioned in /usr/share/cdbs/1/* |
| 18:04.40 | zub | but I'll just hack it locally in debian/rules |
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| 18:05.48 | Luser | zub: maybe set it like this: CFLAGS="blabla" debuild |
| 18:06.41 | Luser | zub or DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS. can't remember exactly |
| 18:07.24 | zub | btw. anybody here using dosemu? |
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| 18:09.02 | zub | I'm in sid, after upgrading from dosemu_1.4.0+svn.1828-2+b1 to dosemu-1.4.0+svn.1997 I'm getting a SIGILL (on Pentium II) |
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| 18:09.53 | themill | !mmap_min_addr |
| 18:09.53 | dpkg | mmap_min_addr is a kernel tunable, specifying the minimum virtual address a process can map. Low values increase susceptibility to NULL pointer privilege escalation. The default value on Debian systems will increase from 0 to 4096 as of <5.0.4>, which may impact the operation of <dosemu>, <qemu> and <wine>. See http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr for more information. DSA-1915-1 recommends making this change in advance of 5.0.4. |
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| 18:10.14 | themill | zub: ^^ I have no idea if that's relevant, but it's a recent change that is relevant to dosemu |
| 18:12.25 | chomwitt | why http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ is emtpy ? |
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| 18:14.22 | themill | chomwitt: there's no point in spending ages making DVDs that would be out of date in a matter of hours anyway. |
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| 18:21.03 | chomwitt | themill: you've got a point. i guess due to mental inertia i'm hesitating to learn a new method to install testing. I'll try the debbootstrap method :-) |
| 18:21.42 | Hyperzid | I tried to install xbmc from sid.. and I got up: XBMC cannot run unless the screen color depth is at least 24 bit |
| 18:21.54 | Hyperzid | How can I set 24bit screen color depth? |
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| 18:23.20 | themill | chomwitt: the daily builds may exist for archs other than i386. Or you can just dist-upgrade from lenny. |
| 18:23.59 | Hyperzid | I found out. |
| 18:24.09 | Hyperzid | Its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:25.01 | Luser | chomwitt, debootstraps works quite good but you need a bit of tweaking. |
| 18:25.06 | Luser | to make it boot |
| 18:25.18 | zub | Luser: so the simple way CFLAGS="flags" debuild ... worked, thanks :) |
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| 18:25.29 | FreakyPenguin | I havee some problems with my posfix/sasl/mysql setup. It works and everything is fine, except that my auth.log is full of auxprop debug messages. I tried setting log_level and sql_verbose in the sasl config, but that didn't change anything. Any suggestions? |
| 18:25.35 | Luser | zub good ! |
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| 18:27.08 | zub | I'm trying to build a debug version of the dosemu pkg, to see what's wrong... |
| 18:28.10 | chomwitt | themill: i wanted testing like in a new partition to test-use more recent software . anyway thanks for the alternatives. |
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| 18:28.31 | zub | btw. when reporting a bug - web encourages me to use reportbug, for that I have to have mail working (MTA set up on that box) |
| 18:28.49 | zub | can a bug be reported via some web interface? |
| 18:29.28 | chomwitt | Luser: sth i heard and seems cool about debootstrap is to have one home dir in with different debian versions |
| 18:30.07 | Luser | chomwitt, it has nothing to do with debootstrap? Or I don't get what you mean |
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| 18:30.38 | Luser | chomwitt, I'd suggest having different users though in case user conf files change |
| 18:31.11 | chomwitt | Luser: u'r right. |
| 18:32.20 | Luser | you will still get unknown uid when doing ls on files owned by users from the other system. and even conflicts. |
| 18:32.39 | Luser | but usually everything is fine |
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| 18:38.40 | pzn | is there a simple way to be notified in bash script about "some file changed in /var/mail" (debian lenny) ? |
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| 18:42.08 | fhd | Hi. How can I get "imaxima" in Debian the proper way? It's not included in the "maxima-emacs" package for some reason. I did some research but couldn't find anything except outdated third party packages |
| 18:43.47 | spectre- | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/EbfrNtFlWzQ/Nmap-520-Released |
| 18:44.49 | \amethyst | fhd: imaxima.el is there in squeeze and sid, but not in lenny |
| 18:45.30 | jelly-home | sounds like ssb time |
| 18:45.47 | fhd | \amethyst: wow, you're right, the file is there. it seems I just have to load it |
| 18:46.08 | fhd | \amethyst: somehow assumed everything installed via aptitude is loaded automatically :D |
| 18:47.46 | fhd | \amethyst: and what would you suggest in order to get it on a lenny system? (not that important, but I use one occasionally) |
| 18:47.51 | \amethyst | fhd: ah, that is a bug (#493725) that was fixed in 5.20.1-1 (so fixed in sid but not squeeze) |
| 18:48.11 | \amethyst | fhd: possibly backport the sid version of maxima, but I don't know how hard that would be |
| 18:48.13 | fhd | \amethyst: putting it in site-start.el? ah |
| 18:48.56 | fhd | \amethyst: I think I've got a backport wxmaxima on that box, I'll see if I can find a maxima-emacs backport too |
| 18:49.20 | \amethyst | fhd: there isn't one on bpo |
| 18:50.08 | \amethyst | fhd: wxmaxima has a separate source package, while maxima-emacs is in the maxima package itself |
| 18:50.25 | fhd | \amethyst: ah |
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| 18:50.38 | \amethyst | hm |
| 18:50.40 | fhd | \amethyst: well thanks anyways. luckily, I don't really need maxima on that box, let alone imaxima specifically |
| 18:50.47 | \amethyst | unfortunately lenny's gcl isn't new enough to build the sid version of maxima |
| 18:51.28 | \amethyst | so you'd be backporting a LISP system, too, which I imagine is rather complicated |
| 18:51.33 | \amethyst | s/be/have to/ |
| 18:51.40 | \amethyst | s/ting/t/ |
| 18:52.19 | fhd | \amethyst: I'll wait for squeeze :) |
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| 18:55.58 | cheako | Hello, is there a way to 'clone' a vg? |
| 18:56.13 | cheako | ...or do I need to dd each lv? |
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| 18:57.53 | cheako | lvconvert -m perhaps? |
| 18:59.05 | Thms | Is there a channel to speak about gspca issues ? |
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| 19:01.58 | Acony | anyone from Italy here :P ? |
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| 19:02.28 | fhd | \amethyst: weird, I can't seem to get it set up properly. I've added (autoload 'imaxima "imaxima" "bla" t) to my init.el and M-x imaxima works just fine. However, as soon as I evaluate an expression, I get "LaTeX error in: \frac{1}{2}" |
| 19:03.50 | cheako | wow, vary cool. After doing a corelog it all just worked. |
| 19:04.11 | cheako | Hmm, I do have a bit of space on another drive I can use. |
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| 19:04.42 | simonrvn | 'very' |
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| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | my cool varies. |
| 19:09.45 | fhd | \amethyst: figured it out, I had to install texlive-latex3 |
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| 19:15.15 | bLoOdRaYnE | hello friends |
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| 19:26.49 | jhutchins | can aptitude search descriptions? |
| 19:28.05 | prince_jammys | yes |
| 19:28.15 | cheako | Hello, in ssh VisualHostKey provides a "randome art" ascii image of the servers public key. Can this be done with GPG keys and how? |
| 19:29.16 | jhutchins | prince_jammys: How excellent. Care to tell me how? man aptitude didn't seem to have anything. |
| 19:29.17 | cheako | "" |
| 19:29.27 | cheako | "random art" |
| 19:29.36 | prince_jammys | aptitude search ~dshell |
| 19:30.14 | prince_jammys | '~dshell' , strictly speaking |
| 19:30.30 | prince_jammys | lest you have a user named "dshell" :) |
| 19:31.14 | prince_jammys | and: aptitude install aptitude-doc |
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| 19:35.58 | paradoxmonkey | For those of you who have a gigabit lan, how fast is it? |
| 19:36.07 | tonsofpcs | gigabit... |
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| 19:37.03 | infid | whenever i try to ssh anywhere or even to locahlost it says permission denied (publickey), any idea why? |
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| 19:37.40 | infid | this started happening after i disabled passwordauthentication and usepam on that system, but that was so people couldnt connect with a passwords to it, just public keys, but now it won't let me ssh FROM that host to other computers |
| 19:37.46 | paradoxmonkey | tonsofpcs: I mean how fast is it in mbit/s. Gigabit is the theoretical max. |
| 19:38.13 | tonsofpcs | 1024. |
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| 19:38.22 | raz0 | paradoxmonkey, No, it's not theoretical. |
| 19:38.24 | Azrael_- | infid: checked the logs on the other hosts? |
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| 19:39.26 | infid | well like i said it cant even go into localhost |
| 19:39.30 | paradoxmonkey | tonsofpcs: that's the max speed, I wonder who fast the speed is between computer > iperf |
| 19:39.36 | infid | and the logs dont say anything usefula bout it |
| 19:40.33 | paradoxmonkey | raz0: then what is it? It's very hard if not impossible to reach that speed |
| 19:41.10 | raz0 | paradoxmonkey, Hrm. I find it quite easy. |
| 19:42.03 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, use iperf to test it |
| 19:42.29 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: I know my speed I just wonder who fast others have |
| 19:42.59 | paradoxmonkey | raz0: You find it easy to reach 1024mbit/s between two computers? |
| 19:43.00 | tonsofpcs | iperf? |
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| 19:43.29 | infid | Azrael_-: the logs on the remote say nothing, it never gets far enough to even affect auth.log on them |
| 19:43.39 | tonsofpcs | doesn't a true test require my network be devoid of traffic? |
| 19:44.00 | infid | all it says is stuff about permanently added 'hostname,ip' (RSA) to the list of known hosts then says 'permission denied (publickey,password) |
| 19:44.41 | raz0 | paradoxmonkey, You find it hard? Maybe you have a weak CPU or something? :) |
| 19:44.50 | tonsofpcs | I don't keep my gigabit lan devoid of traffic. |
| 19:44.52 | raz0 | It depends on what you send, of course. |
| 19:45.07 | tonsofpcs | i mean, i suppose i can run a cat5e cable between the two eeepcs... |
| 19:45.08 | asfdg | ok, this may sound silly, but why does visudo use nano by default, shouldn't it be editsudo, or somesuch if it's going to use $EDITOR or such? |
| 19:45.24 | asfdg | I know it's easly fixed with apt-get --purge remove nano, but... |
| 19:45.28 | paradoxmonkey | raz0: Have you a iperf test to backup your claim? |
| 19:45.41 | tonsofpcs | asfdg: iirc, it uses vi by default. when vi isn't installed, vi symlinks to nano |
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| 19:45.57 | raz0 | paradoxmonkey, No. |
| 19:46.06 | raz0 | I just don't see the big problem. |
| 19:46.09 | asfdg | tonsofpcs: I just did a fresh install of squeeze, and it has nano by default, it was the same in lenny to. |
| 19:46.23 | asfdg | tonsofpcs: vimtiny is installed by default anyway. |
| 19:46.25 | tonsofpcs | asfdg: read the rest of what i said |
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| 19:47.03 | grantila | since about a week back of my sid/experimental (which have worked rather fine for years) I can now not log in using gdm |
| 19:47.07 | tonsofpcs | and check if vi exists as a symlink. |
| 19:47.22 | asfdg | tonsofpcs: erm vi --version | head -1 |
| 19:47.22 | asfdg | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.2 (2008 Aug 9, compiled Nov 8 2009 23:31:21) |
| 19:47.24 | grantila | gdm crashes, says it's gonna try another greeter but doesn't |
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| 19:47.29 | asfdg | (default install of lenny). |
| 19:47.35 | paradoxmonkey | raz0: I find it hard to believe that you can transfer data between computer with a rate of 1gbit/s |
| 19:47.51 | grantila | something's seriously damaged with the current debian packages of gdm or gconf or similar |
| 19:48.19 | raz0 | paradoxmonkey, Ok.. |
| 19:48.24 | grantila | sudo gconf-schemas --register-all |
| 19:48.24 | grantila | silently ends with error code 245 |
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| 19:49.03 | asfdg | tonsofpcs: it appears that it's just a 'userfriendly' selection by default, which I find quite frustrating, as it's clearly not what it advertises as. |
| 19:49.26 | asfdg | tonsofpcs: lots of people would get really sad if 'nanosudo' pointed at vi or emacs. ;) |
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| 19:51.46 | LuciusMare_ | hello, is it a better way to build a kernel module to get nvidia drivers or download the .run installer and let it do its job? |
| 19:52.26 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: Far better to get nvidia-kernel-source and use module-assistant. |
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| 19:52.47 | mjmt | Speaking of, 190.53 just rolled in! |
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| 19:54.11 | bjk | in bluez 3.x there was hcid.conf to set the 'encrypt' option. is there an equivelant in bluez 4.x? |
| 19:54.24 | bjk | hello, btw |
| 19:54.41 | LuciusMare_ | ay |
| 19:54.45 | LuciusMare_ | because it fails |
| 19:54.50 | LuciusMare_ | so its easier to me to get the .run |
| 19:56.48 | LuciusMare_ | http://pastebin.com/f106fb9c2 |
| 19:57.08 | mjmt | Eh, careful with that, pretty sure it doesn't uninstall cleanly. It overwrites a couple of libs instead of diverting them like a package built by m-a would. |
| 19:57.53 | LuciusMare_ | well |
| 19:57.55 | LuciusMare_ | when its far better |
| 19:58.00 | LuciusMare_ | i would rather troubleshoot it,then |
| 19:58.15 | mjmt | Ouch, is that with n-k-s 190.53? |
| 19:58.21 | LuciusMare_ | er |
| 19:58.23 | mjmt | 'cause I just grabbed that, won't bother if it is. |
| 19:58.27 | LuciusMare_ | has a dumb smile |
| 19:58.33 | LuciusMare_ | i just m-a install nvidia |
| 19:58.37 | LuciusMare_ | er |
| 19:58.42 | LuciusMare_ | auto-install |
| 19:58.50 | mjmt | Ahh, sorry forgot you could do it that way too. |
| 19:58.59 | LuciusMare_ | what? |
| 19:59.06 | LuciusMare_ | what was the other way? |
| 19:59.12 | mjmt | nvidia-kernel-source just upgrades for me. |
| 19:59.22 | mjmt | (That's the package m-a will get for you.) |
| 19:59.27 | LuciusMare_ | ah |
| 19:59.31 | LuciusMare_ | well,i dont even install |
| 19:59.32 | LuciusMare_ | you see |
| 19:59.37 | mjmt | Yeah, weird. |
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| 20:00.51 | mjmt | Would you mind doing: dpkg -s nvidia-kernel-source and telling me what version? |
| 20:01.32 | LuciusMare_ | http://pastebin.com/f2f7e8577 |
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| 20:02.08 | mjmt | Latest just built fine for me. |
| 20:02.19 | LuciusMare_ | :( |
| 20:03.19 | mjmt | Yeah that's ancient. You using testing? |
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| 20:09.40 | Luser | what's the advantage of using debuild over dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 20:09.41 | LuciusMare_ | yes |
| 20:09.45 | LuciusMare_ | mjmt: i use testing |
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| 20:11.15 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: You could grab a newer nvidia-kernel-source manually via ftp and try that. |
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| 20:11.58 | mjmt | Or older even. |
| 20:12.17 | LuciusMare_ | okay,where from? |
| 20:12.35 | mjmt | Have a look in your /etc/apt/sources.list for a URL. |
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| 20:12.39 | LuciusMare_ | and, also, will it be harder? |
| 20:12.50 | mjmt | Then it's under debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 20:13.01 | mjmt | Nah not really, just download it then dpkg --install. |
| 20:13.05 | mjmt | No guarantee this'll work btw. |
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| 20:14.59 | mjmt | Wouldn't be as problematic as an older version with newer kernel though, IMO. |
| 20:15.27 | LuciusMare_ | what the... |
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| 20:16.13 | LuciusMare_ | TThe following packages will be REMOVED: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-m |
| 20:16.19 | LuciusMare_ | >_> |
| 20:16.31 | mjmt | Did you just install nvidia-glx? |
| 20:16.40 | LuciusMare_ | i meant, i downloaded and installed http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-kernel-source_190.53-1_i386.deb |
| 20:16.48 | LuciusMare_ | yes,and now i should install nvidia-glx? |
| 20:16.50 | mjmt | You can't do that til after you've got the new kernel module installed. |
| 20:17.06 | LuciusMare_ | well |
| 20:17.14 | LuciusMare_ | i installed that what i said |
| 20:17.16 | LuciusMare_ | now nvidia-glx? |
| 20:17.30 | mjmt | The package m-a builds out of it provides an xorg server. |
| 20:17.35 | ehnde | how do i find out what driver i need for Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN ? |
| 20:17.43 | ehnde | i don't see it listed on http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
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| 20:18.11 | LuciusMare_ | aw |
| 20:18.16 | jelly-home | !tell ehnde about hcl |
| 20:18.17 | LuciusMare_ | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 20:18.31 | LuciusMare_ | mjmt: what else should i i install? |
| 20:18.38 | jelly-home | ehnde: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ in particular |
| 20:18.47 | ehnde | thank you jelly-home |
| 20:18.47 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:20.50 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: What I do is install new driver, log out and kill the DM (e.g. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop), rmmod nvidia, install nvidia-glx (in a VT), then start the DM back up. Otherwise if you reboot, you'll be without X and will have to use a VT to install nvidia-glx anyway. |
| 20:21.32 | LuciusMare_ | lolwut |
| 20:21.34 | mjmt | (VTs being the text-only screens on Alt+F1 etc.) |
| 20:21.44 | LuciusMare_ | i just think it compiled successefully |
| 20:21.51 | LuciusMare_ | looks suspiciously at his box |
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| 20:22.09 | mjmt | I'll paste a step-by-step if you want. |
| 20:22.24 | LuciusMare_ | nope,it went successefully... |
| 20:22.26 | mjmt | I'm sure there's a wiki somewhere though. |
| 20:22.36 | Luser | ehnde, I have the same card |
| 20:22.37 | LuciusMare_ | now, that huge pile of xorg packages to be removed...? |
| 20:22.44 | Luser | ehnde, lsmod gives: cfg80211 93052 3 iwlagn,iwlcore,mac80211 |
| 20:23.04 | LuciusMare_ | mjmt |
| 20:23.12 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: They won't be, since the new nvidia kernel package provides xorg-server-somethingorother so those other packages will all be happy. |
| 20:23.23 | LuciusMare_ | ok |
| 20:23.27 | Luser | ehnde, iwlagn is what you need |
| 20:23.57 | ehnde | thanks Luser i was reading and still trying to figure it out :) |
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| 20:24.29 | LuciusMare_ | aw,man. |
| 20:24.29 | Luser | ehnde, you have an old debian? cause it's properly handled by current kernels |
| 20:24.32 | LuciusMare_ | # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:24.32 | LuciusMare_ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed |
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| 20:25.25 | ehnde | Luser: i'm running the most current |
| 20:25.38 | LuciusMare_ | mjmt: it does not seem so |
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| 20:26.00 | ehnde | Linux laptop 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:26.11 | Luser | ehnde, wait, I forgot I have unstable :) |
| 20:26.16 | ehnde | oh |
| 20:27.45 | Luser | ehnde, you could install a recent kernel from backports or maybe use module-assistant |
| 20:28.18 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: So, new nvidia-glx is installed? |
| 20:28.21 | Luser | ehnde, http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 20:28.35 | ehnde | thanks Luser |
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| 20:28.59 | LuciusMare_ | thanks a lot |
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| 20:29.05 | LuciusMare_ | i just restarted kdm |
| 20:29.10 | LuciusMare_ | and what a surprise, packages are not happy |
| 20:29.11 | LuciusMare_ | i am xless |
| 20:29.34 | mjmt | lol |
| 20:29.36 | mjmt | 07:28 * LuciusMare_ has quit ("Lost terminal") |
| 20:29.36 | mjmt | 07:28 <mjmt> LuciusMare_: So, new nvidia-glx is installed? |
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| 20:30.02 | LuciusMare_ | yes |
| 20:30.03 | LuciusMare_ | it is |
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| 20:30.11 | LuciusMare_ | but i lost xorg |
| 20:30.19 | DEbiansqueeze | nvidia-glx breaks my xorg :( |
| 20:30.36 | LuciusMare_ | same here |
| 20:31.03 | DEbiansqueeze | i just used the nvidia package |
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| 20:31.12 | DEbiansqueeze | and installer |
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| 20:31.31 | mjmt | I just upgraded to 190.53 about 5 minutes ago. |
| 20:31.44 | maligor | using the installer won't be supported here tho |
| 20:31.53 | LuciusMare_ | mjmt: after you have installed nvidia-glx,it didnt break your xorg? |
| 20:32.13 | DEbiansqueeze | yeah i just couldnt figure any way to do it without breaking everything |
| 20:32.38 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: I don't install that until the package with the new nvidia kernel is installed. |
| 20:32.38 | LuciusMare_ | aw great |
| 20:32.43 | LuciusMare_ | ! |
| 20:32.50 | LuciusMare_ | you didnt tell me so |
| 20:33.11 | mjmt | I did actually. |
| 20:33.20 | LuciusMare_ | wait |
| 20:33.22 | LuciusMare_ | i have it installed |
| 20:33.30 | mjmt | I mentioned a horrible way of doing things without rebooting to find you have no X. |
| 20:33.47 | LuciusMare_ | so,what should i do now? |
| 20:33.48 | mjmt | s/without rebooting/so you don't reboot/ |
| 20:34.07 | DEbiansqueeze | i liked the nv drivers but google earth rendered like an atari |
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| 20:35.13 | LuciusMare_ | any ideas mjmt? |
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| 20:35.25 | mjmt | LuciusMare_: Reboot, OR log out, stop kdm, rmmod nvidia, start kdm. |
| 20:35.57 | LuciusMare_ | well |
| 20:35.59 | LuciusMare_ | i have no xorhg |
| 20:36.04 | LuciusMare_ | so starting kdm just fails |
| 20:36.08 | LuciusMare_ | because i have no xorg |
| 20:36.09 | mjmt | You let it remove all those packages?? |
| 20:36.11 | LuciusMare_ | it got removed,remember? |
| 20:36.14 | LuciusMare_ | yes, you told me so |
| 20:36.23 | mjmt | Shit, I'm so sorry. |
| 20:36.25 | DEbiansqueeze | used apt-get to i bet |
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| 20:36.34 | LuciusMare_ | "nvidia-kernel will supply all these, so the packages will be happy" |
| 20:37.08 | LuciusMare_ | so,remove nvidia-glx and install xorg? |
| 20:37.31 | mjmt | Yeah, IF you install nvidia-kernel, THEN nvidia-glx. |
| 20:37.45 | LuciusMare_ | nvidia-kernel was installed WITH nvidia-glx |
| 20:37.52 | LuciusMare_ | i have it |
| 20:37.57 | LuciusMare_ | but no xorg |
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| 20:38.35 | mjmt | apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:39.09 | LuciusMare_ | it wants to remove the nvidia-glx |
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| 20:39.38 | mjmt | Hmm, because it's the newer version. Downgrade. |
| 20:39.48 | LuciusMare_ | downgrade what? |
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| 20:40.14 | mjmt | Or upgrade to unstable so you're not stuck using year-and-a-half old video drivers. |
| 20:40.19 | LuciusMare_ | ack-stacy? |
| 20:40.24 | LuciusMare_ | mjmt: what? |
| 20:40.27 | LuciusMare_ | year and a half? O_o |
| 20:40.41 | mjmt | Yeah 173 that you had is about that old. |
| 20:41.19 | LuciusMare_ | i wanted to install 190 |
| 20:41.23 | LuciusMare_ | and i am pretty sure i did |
| 20:41.27 | LuciusMare_ | woo |
| 20:41.29 | LuciusMare_ | has x |
| 20:41.33 | LuciusMare_ | but no nvidia |
| 20:41.33 | LuciusMare_ | :( |
| 20:41.38 | mjmt | But getting ahead of ourselves here. |
| 20:41.47 | DEbiansqueeze | 190 gives me no splash screen |
| 20:43.21 | LuciusMare_ | okay |
| 20:43.25 | LuciusMare_ | now i am pre-fail state |
| 20:43.28 | LuciusMare_ | what now? |
| 20:43.35 | mjmt | Try: apt-get -f install |
| 20:44.06 | LuciusMare_ | it does not do anything |
| 20:44.08 | mjmt | What the feck else did it remove if it removed X. |
| 20:44.22 | LuciusMare_ | just says it does not need nvidia-kernel and i should autoremove it |
| 20:44.25 | mjmt | Okay, how about apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
| 20:44.34 | mjmt | Oh yeah incompatible. |
| 20:44.36 | LuciusMare_ | i am prefail state |
| 20:44.39 | LuciusMare_ | which means |
| 20:44.40 | LuciusMare_ | i have x |
| 20:44.42 | DEbiansqueeze | what kernel? |
| 20:44.43 | LuciusMare_ | but no drivers |
| 20:45.06 | LuciusMare_ | what should i do to get the drivers? |
| 20:45.13 | mjmt | You're just gonna have to grab older nvidia-kernel-source and downgrade to it. |
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| 20:45.29 | LuciusMare_ | whyy? |
| 20:45.35 | LuciusMare_ | that sucks |
| 20:45.50 | mjmt | Because the newer one is incompatible with half of testing's xorg. |
| 20:45.55 | mjmt | Apparently. |
| 20:48.23 | LuciusMare_ | why,dear god? |
| 20:48.29 | LuciusMare_ | smacks his head |
| 20:48.47 | LuciusMare_ | aw man, almost midnight again |
| 20:48.56 | LuciusMare_ | goodbye for now, and thanks for pointing |
| 20:48.58 | LuciusMare_ | bye |
| 20:48.58 | DEbiansqueeze | this is where i decided to use the nvidia installer |
| 20:49.03 | mjmt | I blame the fact it's 7am on a Sunday and I've had one too many nicotine lozenges. |
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| 20:49.42 | DEbiansqueeze | 2pm saturday and i got a dip in my mouth if thAT COUNTS |
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| 20:51.09 | mjmt | DEbiansqueeze: Do you still have to run it in a VT? |
| 20:51.20 | mjmt | (The Nvidia installer.) |
| 20:51.23 | DEbiansqueeze | VT? |
| 20:51.29 | mjmt | Console. |
| 20:51.34 | DEbiansqueeze | yeah |
| 20:51.57 | DEbiansqueeze | terminal here :) |
| 20:53.34 | DEbiansqueeze | december 2005 the year that windows xp crashed for the last time |
| 20:55.25 | nooper | month |
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| 21:28.19 | zub | what does exacly "hold" package status mean? I read http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html bud it's still not clear |
| 21:28.27 | zub | what I want is prevent upgrades of a package |
| 21:28.47 | zub | but if I set hold status for the package, apt-get upgrade still offers the upgrade |
| 21:30.16 | asfdg | zub: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 21:30.38 | zub | thanks |
| 21:33.17 | hachiya | anyone know a good way to search for available packages? e.g. apt-get search mysql to see all packages related to mysql |
| 21:33.38 | asfdg | apt-cache search mysql |
| 21:33.44 | hachiya | ohh |
| 21:33.47 | hachiya | nice, thanks asfdg ! |
| 21:35.09 | hachiya | ok, how about showing list of currently installed packages? e.g. to make it easy to set up the next system in a similar manner |
| 21:35.26 | asfdg | dpkg -l |
| 21:35.26 | dpkg | i don't know, asfdg |
| 21:35.45 | hachiya | ah, wonderful, ok added to my notes. thanks a lot :) |
| 21:35.48 | asfdg | giggles |
| 21:36.50 | prince_jammys | !tell hachiya -about aptitude clone |
| 21:37.01 | hachiya | hm |
| 21:37.09 | hachiya | oh |
| 21:37.10 | hachiya | nice |
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| 21:38.43 | hachiya | thanks, prince_jammys |
| 21:39.01 | prince_jammys | welcome |
| 21:39.38 | prince_jammys | dpkg -l is still what i'd use if i weren't cloning |
| 21:39.38 | dpkg | ii is still what i'd use if i weren't cloning 3.4-14 prince_jammys's private gamp collection |
| 21:39.52 | prince_jammys | oops. |
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| 21:40.35 | asfdg | haha |
| 21:40.36 | zub | asfdg: apt-pinning lets me keep a package from stable while rest of system is testing (an example), but I don't see how/if it lets me keep a package at whatever version it is now and just avoid upgrading it... or does it, and should I read more carefuly? |
| 21:40.56 | zub | (now all the system is just testing) |
| 21:41.03 | \amethyst | !hold |
| 21:41.03 | dpkg | i guess hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 21:41.42 | zub | ok, so hold rerally is what I want then |
| 21:41.52 | zub | I tried and was puzzled that apt-get upgrade happily ignores that |
| 21:41.57 | zub | but yeah, aptitude seems to respect it |
| 21:42.08 | asfdg | zub: I think you want to use pinning, if you try: |
| 21:42.09 | cheako | Hello, where can I find information on a freetds perl module? Looks like there are a lot of freetds pkgs. |
| 21:42.12 | asfdg | man 5 apt_preferences |
| 21:42.18 | asfdg | you'll see the following example: |
| 21:42.28 | asfdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.28 | asfdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.28 | asfdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.40 | asfdg | I think that's what you want to do? |
| 21:42.52 | zub | hm, let me think about it :) |
| 21:43.04 | zub | most of all I want that dosemu bug I just discovered fixed... |
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| 21:43.22 | zub | btw. if I know the bug is in upstream too - should I report upstrema only, or upstrem + debian? |
| 21:43.32 | asfdg | I use it for things I build packages for, such as freeradius, netatalk, where you have to build an ssl version. |
| 21:45.47 | asfdg | zub: I think it would be good to try both, and then add the upstream bug# to your debian bug.. but I don't really know :-/ |
| 21:46.00 | zub | ok, I'll try |
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| 21:52.12 | tyoc213 | how can I do apt-get install without install the extra packages and only the reall one required? |
| 21:55.10 | asfdg | erm, it does do. |
| 21:55.40 | \amethyst | tyoc213: --no-install-recommends perhaps? |
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| 21:55.42 | asfdg | unfortunatly every package is so bloated it has about 300 dependencies. :-/ |
| 21:56.03 | asfdg | \amethyst: it doesn't install recomends by default anyway does it? |
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| 21:57.16 | tyoc213 | with --no-install-recommends the list is small I guess is what I want (only the package and the requires) |
| 21:57.23 | \amethyst | asfdg: it does as of lenny |
| 21:57.37 | tyoc213 | Im in the lates stable |
| 21:58.23 | asfdg | \amethyst: ah, didn't realise that. |
| 21:59.12 | asfdg | \amethyst: thanks, I learn something new every day :) |
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| 22:00.36 | cheako | What about Net::SMTP::TLS? Is there a pkg that contains this, I can't find it anywhere. |
| 22:00.52 | tyoc213 | what is the bare minimun that I need to install to a netinstall for been able to do a remote X11 session? |
| 22:01.49 | botmind | Hi. I am trying to build the custom kernel for the second time, but it says now: make[1]: `debian/stamp/binary/pre-linux-image-2.6.31.12' is up to date. and leaves the directory when running make-kpkg kernel_image. How do I run the compilation once again? |
| 22:01.50 | tyoc213 | guess I need to install all gnome (I think?) |
| 22:02.13 | ruben23 | hi |
| 22:02.28 | asfdg | cheako: try: dh-make-perl to build your own |
| 22:02.56 | macrobat | tyoc213: you dont need gnome if you dont want it |
| 22:03.26 | cheako | asfdg: I'm investegating the possibility of switching from CentOS(where we would build our own) to Debian, the only advantage being that we won't have to build anything. |
| 22:03.55 | asfdg | cheako: you'll always have to build stuff. :-/ |
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| 22:04.03 | tyoc213 | then what is the bare minimun I need? for been able to do remote X11 login? |
| 22:04.08 | asfdg | cheako: you may also encounter debian openssl licensing problems :( |
| 22:04.25 | asfdg | cheako: however imo debian is far better than centos, so is worth that pain. |
| 22:04.25 | cheako | asfdg: You'r kidding right? |
| 22:04.45 | asfdg | cheako: kidding about what? |
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| 22:04.46 | jelly-home | cheako: Debian is very serious about gpl software linking with openssl. |
| 22:04.58 | macrobat | tyoc213: openssh-client openssh-server, maybe you'll like openbox |
| 22:05.04 | jelly-home | cheako: if there's no explicit exception, they don't. |
| 22:05.14 | cheako | Kidding about always having to build something. |
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| 22:05.47 | asfdg | cheako: erm, well almost. I don't currently have anything built on my main internet server. |
| 22:05.49 | cheako | Do we think it's an openssl issue? Is there an alternative? |
| 22:05.52 | macrobat | tyoc213: and some xorg pkgs |
| 22:06.04 | asfdg | cheako: however I had to build netatalk on my local server. |
| 22:06.50 | cheako | Perhaps there is an ssl-unofficial repo, like there is for DRM(multimedia) |
| 22:06.52 | asfdg | cheako: you install the software read the /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/README.Debian and then copy and paste the instructions to get the package you want built. |
| 22:07.26 | asfdg | cheako: perhaps, however I don't know, sorry :-/ |
| 22:07.31 | cheako | asfdg: VS: perl -MCPAN -e 'install Net::SMTP::TLS' |
| 22:08.03 | cheako | Currently in CentOS this just works, un-attended. |
| 22:08.17 | asfdg | cheako: yeah, you can either do that, or use dh-make-perl, and either install the software manually, or add it to a local repo for your network. |
| 22:08.35 | tyoc213 | macrobat, thx I will look in |
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| 22:08.45 | asfdg | cheako: cpan works fine on every distro, it's whether you want to package manage it. |
| 22:09.35 | botmind | I got to make rm -rf debian. Thx for the help everyone! |
| 22:10.51 | cheako | asfdg: So no hope of an unoffcial openssl repo? What bout ubunto pkgs? |
| 22:11.53 | asfdg | cheako: I said I don't know about the unofficial repos, sorry. :-/ |
| 22:12.12 | asfdg | cheako: there maybe ubuntu ones, there may be debian ones. I've never looked tbh :-/ |
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| 22:13.35 | cheako | This cpan install asks a lot of questions, what a pain. |
| 22:14.04 | amphi | !comfort cheako |
| 22:14.04 | dpkg | There, there, cheako. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:14.23 | cheako | thx. |
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| 22:21.04 | eagles0513875 | !documentation |
| 22:21.04 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>. |
| 22:21.13 | eagles0513875 | not what i was askin |
| 22:21.19 | eagles0513875 | was after |
| 22:21.21 | eagles0513875 | bah |
| 22:22.04 | beardy | We're all after it. |
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| 22:24.00 | Neo|Desktop | hey everyone, i'm attempting to install debian onto my laptop.. I pxe boot'd the laptop to a debian install image on my server, but the installer doesn't seem to pick up my ethernet adapter.. Ubuntu seems to find it fine, however.. |
| 22:24.29 | Neo|Desktop | does anyone have any idears? |
| 22:27.18 | macrobat | so you need a driver for the ethernet. |
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| 22:27.51 | macrobat | i think you can install drivers on theinstaller |
| 22:28.29 | asfdg | Neo|Desktop: boot ubuntu, debootstrap debian into it? |
| 22:28.38 | asfdg | (if your ninja) |
| 22:29.05 | cast | probably just need a newer kernel image, |
| 22:29.14 | Neo|Desktop | mm |
| 22:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | eagles0513875, but fitting nontheless? :) how about you ask? (also /msg dpkg msg the bot) |
| 22:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, except me, I'm before it! |
| 22:29.30 | cast | just do a base install, then install a bpo kernel |
| 22:29.36 | eagles0513875 | need a link to the debian documentaton on setting up dns and apache |
| 22:29.40 | cast | [from a usb drive] |
| 22:29.44 | Neo|Desktop | well the ethernet adapter is a Marvell Yukon 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit |
| 22:30.22 | Neo|Desktop | Vendor: 11AB || Device: 4380 |
| 22:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | eagles0513875, you mean bind? dns is normally set up by a dhcpclient (or if you have none in /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 22:30.31 | eagles0513875 | bind |
| 22:30.34 | eagles0513875 | i need it on the local machine |
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| 22:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | eagles0513875, there's no special guide for apache - it just runs (with documentroot in /var/www), if you want something special, you want something special and nobody could know what it is |
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| 22:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell eagles0513875 -about bind |
| 22:32.09 | eagles0513875 | ty |
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| 22:34.25 | ehnde | i'm trying to upgrade to sid, but running into problems with udev |
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| 22:34.45 | ehnde | tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade and that didn't work either |
| 22:34.49 | ehnde | any advice? |
| 22:35.09 | maligor | the evil overlords here don't want to support sid ;P |
| 22:35.23 | asfdg | erm, try to hack around, wait a day, and try again? |
| 22:35.29 | maligor | aka, you should know your way around if you want to install |
| 22:35.39 | nullp0inter | ok so i bought a new laptop, tried to setup duakl boot between win 7 and debian latest testing iso...the DHCP config fails EVERY time and renders my ethernet card useless...i had to do 5 system restors alonmg with other PITA testing to finally figure out it is the debian installer that does it...hopw is this possible |
| 22:35.51 | ehnde | is there a debian sid channel? |
| 22:36.27 | asfdg | is there a #debian-broken ? |
| 22:36.37 | asfdg | </troll> |
| 22:37.44 | macrobat | my sid hasn't been broken since i installed it in may |
| 22:38.27 | jelly-home | macrobat: and you never upgraded? :-D |
| 22:38.29 | ehnde | the error message is telling me to try upgrading the kernel before upgrading udev, but i'm unable to scroll up to see what kernel version to upgrade to |
| 22:38.36 | macrobat | ehnde: aptitude is better than apt-get. forcing is seldom good |
| 22:38.48 | ehnde | k i'll try aptitude |
| 22:38.53 | jelly-home | ehnde: at least 2.6.27 I think |
| 22:39.06 | jelly-home | ehnde: .30 should be ok |
| 22:39.26 | macrobat | bah, there hasnt been a bug that held any significance to me |
| 22:40.13 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: ..so noone wants it with you before it? |
| 22:40.24 | macrobat | ehnde: aptitude search linux-image |
| 22:41.08 | ehnde | i hit only 3 keys from the aptitude UI, and it's now working and not freaking out like apt-get -f dist-upgrade was |
| 22:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, who's that noone and why would he care? |
| 22:41.32 | beardy | Gee, ya think that's why aptitude is recommended, strongly. |
| 22:41.37 | macrobat | i use aptitude on the cmd line |
| 22:41.45 | beardy | Take a prize on the way out. |
| 22:42.37 | macrobat | i think the aptitude-gtk was broken at some point, so i didnt use it |
| 22:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't mean I have to *like* aptitude |
| 22:43.03 | beardy | I was luckily unaware such a thing existed. |
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| 22:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude? :) |
| 22:54.36 | beardy | Haha. |
| 22:54.50 | beardy | No, the gtk interface. |
| 22:55.14 | StuckMojo | heh |
| 22:55.34 | StuckMojo | aptitude does a better job of figuring out rats nest dependency problems |
| 22:55.57 | nullp0inter | anyone know about my quies above? |
| 22:56.03 | StuckMojo | it'll give you multiple different solutions rather than forcing you to use the first one found |
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| 23:01.10 | Seldaek | heya, can I use aptitude to downgrade a package to an older version? it upgraded couchdb (testing, 0.9->0.10) and my dbs are fucked, so I'd like to rollback so I can properly backup and then restore under 0.10 |
| 23:01.42 | Seldaek | stable has 0.8 so it's not really an option |
| 23:01.42 | jelly-home | Seldaek: if the older version is available in repos, yes. |
| 23:01.59 | Seldaek | jelly-home: and how would I check that?:) |
| 23:02.08 | jelly-home | Seldaek: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 23:02.31 | jelly-home | but if testing is too new and stable is too old, you're sol |
| 23:02.57 | Seldaek | yup |
| 23:03.23 | jelly-home | Seldaek: rehaps you'll find older packages in apt's cache (/var/cache/apt/archives/), you could then install them with dpkg, and hold them with aptitutde/apt |
| 23:04.10 | Seldaek | ah yes |
| 23:04.12 | Seldaek | 0.9 is there |
| 23:04.14 | Seldaek | nice |
| 23:04.17 | jelly-home | there _was_ a service that kept intermediate versions of packages, but it's been offline for a long time |
| 23:04.22 | Seldaek | do I need to remove the one I got first? |
| 23:04.25 | jelly-home | !sdn |
| 23:04.26 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.net/ is an archive that contained all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. It is unmaintained since May 2008; ask me about <snapshots> instead. |
| 23:04.38 | jelly-home | Seldaek: no, just install what you want to |
| 23:04.49 | Seldaek | k |
| 23:05.11 | jelly-home | !snapshots |
| 23:05.11 | dpkg | http://stabile.debian.org:5001/ (soon to be http://snapshots.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
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| 23:05.20 | jelly-home | ooh. |
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| 23:09.35 | Seldaek | wtf.. |
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| 23:09.54 | Seldaek | db still looks bad even with the old version restored:/ |
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| 23:12.23 | jaggz | can you change readline keybindings within shell? |
| 23:12.34 | jaggz | (or do you have to edit inputrc) |
| 23:12.42 | \amethyst | jaggz: in bash, yes. help bind |
| 23:13.30 | \amethyst | jaggz: that won't affect other readline programs, though, the way .inputrc does |
| 23:15.27 | jaggz | thanks |
| 23:15.39 | jaggz | anyone here work for western digital? |
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| 23:20.57 | peterrooney | jaggz: probably not in an official capacity. |
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| 23:26.58 | streuner_ | jaggz: WD makes hardware... |
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| 23:28.07 | jaggz | yeah.. just had some questions about the internal handling of RMA'ed drives.. |
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| 23:37.40 | streuner_ | jaggz: WD is good at support, just write them an email |
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| 23:39.00 | nullp0inter | anyone |
| 23:39.03 | jaggz | "Do you sell my data?" |
| 23:39.24 | asfdg | haha |
| 23:39.27 | cast | jaggz: either use disk encryption or dont return drives |
| 23:39.32 | botmind | When I build the kernel from sources for the second time with another configuration, what should I do (erase) for the compilation process to be started from scratch again? |
| 23:39.51 | streuner_ | jaggz: they have enough pr0n surely too :-P |
| 23:40.02 | alnr | when i try to resolve host that that doesnt exist, the resolver appends .myhost.com. eg invalid.tld becomes invalid.tld.myhost.com. Can i suppress that? i do not have SEARCH or DOMAIN in /etc/resolv.conf. in /etc/hostname i have mylocalname and in /etc/hostnames i have n.n.n.n mylocalname.myhost.com mylocalname |
| 23:40.05 | botmind | rm -rf ./debian seemed to be not enough |
| 23:40.09 | Name1ess | jaggz: subject the drive to an intense magnetic field - no data will be left |
| 23:40.12 | asfdg | jaggz: It's doubtful they 'sell' your data, however they may 'fix' the drive and return it to somebody else with your personal images on.. |
| 23:40.26 | streuner_ | haha |
| 23:40.49 | simonrvn | it's called make clean ... |
| 23:40.56 | streuner_ | What kind of crap some people smoke? |
| 23:41.36 | Name1ess | mostly Labrador |
| 23:41.40 | asfdg | streuner_: dunno, but if you find out please can I have some?? |
| 23:42.04 | Name1ess | gives asfdg some Labrador to smoke |
| 23:42.12 | nkuttler | hm, which alias handles mailto: links in browsers? |
| 23:42.25 | jaggz | how intense? |
| 23:43.02 | jaggz | it'll take too long to do a full srm of the device I think |
| 23:43.24 | streuner_ | omg |
| 23:43.27 | asfdg | jaggz: just dd /dev/zero over it. |
| 23:43.37 | asfdg | jaggz: nobody is interested in your home made horse porn. |
| 23:43.39 | jaggz | asfdg, that's readily recoverable by a manufacturer |
| 23:44.05 | streuner_ | hands jaggz a sledehammer |
| 23:44.09 | jaggz | no porn.. I have some project development stuff on here.. and secure keys for accessing other systems |
| 23:44.11 | asfdg | jaggz: what are you smoking? |
| 23:44.31 | botmind | simonrvn: I suppose your answer was for me.. but I'm using make-kpkg kernel_image.. so you're saying make-kpkg clean kernel_image would do it? |
| 23:44.38 | jaggz | nothing.. although someone in my house has the oven on which we rarely use so the house is filled with smoke |
| 23:44.48 | asfdg | jaggz: statistically, how many drves do you think they go through? |
| 23:44.57 | simonrvn | botmind: man make-kpkg |
| 23:45.24 | jaggz | their monitoring of you depends on if you're flagged as speeshul |
| 23:45.41 | asfdg | jaggz: you're very speeshul. |
| 23:45.44 | jaggz | then again, the people who would flag me as special.. I am not worried about them. |
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| 23:46.14 | streuner_ | You dont your enemies or you are paranoid |
| 23:46.40 | jaggz | I just don't want to be irresponsible, y'know? |
| 23:47.15 | asfdg | streuner_: you said which is obvious. |
| 23:47.45 | streuner_ | Who spend 1000 bucks to get data of you..., ask that question yourself... |
| 23:47.48 | asfdg | jaggz: I hear there's a great help channel, it's #troll |
| 23:48.11 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 23:48.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:49.56 | botmind | simonrvn: thx now I know what this clean is about |
| 23:50.11 | nullp0inter | i could really use some help installing debian |
| 23:50.11 | jaggz | we're off topic, but I'm not trolling |
| 23:50.24 | streuner_ | yes, thats really sad |
| 23:50.27 | simonrvn | botmind: good - have fun |
| 23:50.44 | Name1ess | nullp0inter: where are you stuck at? |
| 23:50.51 | nullp0inter | it fails EVERY time trying to config the DHCP network..and then my ethernet device goes crazy and doesnt even show up in device manager under windows |
| 23:50.53 | jaggz | streuner.. hmm.. I'm on topic and we're trolling? |
| 23:51.08 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, ive restored my computer top factory setting 6 times |
| 23:51.22 | streuner_ | jaggz: yes, now your trolling... |
| 23:51.29 | nullp0inter | i even exchanged it for a new one thinking it was faulty parts |
| 23:51.32 | Name1ess | nullp0inter: you trying to dual-boot with Windows then? |
| 23:51.32 | streuner_ | s/your/you are/ |
| 23:51.44 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, yes windows 7 |
| 23:51.58 | jaggz | no, I never troll. |
| 23:52.06 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, i already setup the partitions, and was using the latest am64 testing version of debian |
| 23:52.36 | jaggz | null, do you try dhcp manually? dhclient /dev/whatever ? |
| 23:52.47 | jaggz | oh.. device manager.. eh |
| 23:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you just use something like wipe |
| 23:53.01 | Name1ess | nullp0inter: does it work with the latest 'stable' version? |
| 23:53.19 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, im almost scarred lol..i donmt know if i should even try it |
| 23:53.46 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, i really cant think of what kind of issue it is causing to screw it up so bad that not even windows device manager doesnt find the device anymore |
| 23:54.17 | jaggz | wipe, shred, srm, .. I'm still weary. |
| 23:54.19 | Name1ess | indeed. Nothing Debian can do should affect the hardware in a Win7 invironment |
| 23:54.35 | Name1ess | while installing* i mean |
| 23:55.03 | nullp0inter | but i am 100% SURE IT DID..I NArrowed the problem dow to it |
| 23:55.14 | nullp0inter | SORRY HIT CAPS BY ACCIDENT |
| 23:55.15 | nullp0inter | poop |
| 23:55.22 | Name1ess | Null: since you keep reformatting the drive anyway, why not try clearing all partitions, install Debian by itself, see if that works? |
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| 23:56.19 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, when i restore it back to factory settings it only affects the partition i set up with windows..the other partitions arent even touched |
| 23:56.43 | Name1ess | one thing just came to mind: you might not be releasing the IP you leased from your router in Win7 -- before you reboot to install Debian, open CMD and type ipconfig /release |
| 23:57.00 | jaggz | how are you running debian.. within windows? |
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| 23:57.10 | nullp0inter | jaggz, im not, but you can if you want |
| 23:57.15 | jaggz | no you |
| 23:57.22 | nullp0inter | jaggz, vm |
| 23:57.23 | jaggz | so what's the problem? |
| 23:57.30 | jaggz | virtualbox? |
| 23:57.43 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, should i do that before shutting down from windows? |
| 23:57.46 | jaggz | never ran linux within windows.. the other way around though |
| 23:58.06 | Name1ess | nullp0inter: yes. Run that command, then reboot to the livecd |
| 23:58.11 | jaggz | I'm on a win7 system now.. new system.. considering what I want to do with Linux on it or if I'll just keep this one windows |
| 23:58.40 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, so could that be what causes the DHCP to fail |
| 23:59.18 | nullp0inter | Name1ess, should i try stable this time? |
| 23:59.27 | jaggz | Name1ess, does the router lease the IP to an address and refuse to lease another? |
| 23:59.41 | jaggz | (s/an address/a mac address/) |