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00:00.00jaggzin such case, what about multiple IPs on a single device?
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00:07.38jaggznooo
00:08.26jaggz"Yeah well I downloaded a video and got a letter to my name via postal mail!"
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00:21.04jaggz"sanitiz[ing] a storage medium ... depends on an awful lot of factors ... type of file system ... storage medium used ...  the least significant bit of the phase of the moon."
00:21.56Absolute0Anyone has a nice mplayer config for subtitles they wouldn't mind sharing?
00:22.10Absolute0I am playing with the parameters but i can't seem to get it right.
00:22.10dondelelcaroAbsolute0: there's really no configuration needed
00:22.17Name1essnullp0inter: I would recommend the stable netinstall ISO
00:22.18Absolute0well the fonts are too big
00:22.27Absolute0and near the middle of the screen
00:22.55Absolute0dondelelcaro: in vlc they work just right, but vlc is broken in debian :(
00:23.07dondelelcaroAbsolute0: so set subfont-text-scale and subpos
00:23.46jaggzhow do you get the length of a device?
00:23.57Absolute0ls
00:23.57dondelelcarojaggz: depends
00:23.57castjaggz: man blockdev
00:24.21cast[...presuming it's a block dev :]
00:24.26Absolute0dondelelcaro: I was using *sub fonts :)
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00:24.38action09Absolute0 i (with mplayer) always man mplayer and search 'cycle' here are the usefuls commands i always can't remember, e.g r & t to translate subs up and down...etc maybe they have size options.. i see 'a' to switch middle, top bottom too.. look maybe in it
00:24.40dondelelcaroAbsolute0: ?
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00:25.06Absolute0dondelelcaro: those seem to be immutable
00:25.09Absolute0the file is binary
00:25.13jaggzthanks cast
00:25.15Absolute0idx is the one i should use iirc
00:25.18jaggzand abs, and dondel..
00:25.41dondelelcaroAbsolute0: uh, they're not; .mplayer/subfont.ttf is the font used, and you can configure it using those command line or configuration file options
00:25.58Absolute0I meant subs sorry
00:26.12Absolute0*sub subtitle files..
00:27.18dondelelcaroAbsolute0: so use -sub to load them or t to load them
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00:35.41Absolute0subpos 100 seems to be bounded by the movie boundaries, is it possible to go lower (into the black margins) if the movies is widescreen?
00:35.47Absolute0in mplayer...
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00:40.46RenfieldI am having problems configuring my wireless network. When I do an ifup wlan0 I get an error message saying that wpa_supplicant failed to start.
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00:46.04RenfieldDoes the value of wpa-psk have to be a key, or can it be the password?
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00:56.26LuserRenfield, wpa_passphrase <ssid> , it will ask for passphrase. then take the wpa psk (psk=edefeeedd...) and put this in interfaces
00:56.37RenfieldLuser: Thanks!
00:56.42Luserwpa_passphrase generates it for you
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00:57.49RenfieldUnfortunately, the Debian Wiki HowTo does not mention that, which is why I had to ask. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant
00:59.51RenfieldAlso, unfortunately, that doesn't change the fact that wpa_supplicant fails to start.
01:01.22RenfieldCan someone assist me with this: http://pastebin.org/81270
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01:06.30LuserRenfield, then try it manually
01:06.42RenfieldHow?
01:07.02RenfieldWhat is more manual than ifup wlan0?
01:07.24Luseruse again wpa_passphrase, and add all the lines in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
01:07.49Lusercreate it if needed
01:07.51RenfieldLuser: Oh, I'm not to put that into /etc/network/interfaces?
01:08.07RenfieldWhich document is the correct one that describes what goes where?
01:08.13Luseryes, from network { till the }
01:08.43Luserthat's how I used to bring up my interface
01:08.54Luserifup calls wpa_supplicant but you can do both seperatly
01:09.09RenfieldThe document I read said that you do not need to configure /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf, but to put it all into interfaces.
01:09.22Luseryes, unless it does not work..
01:09.39RenfieldOh, then I have to do this step. Ok I'll try.
01:09.43jelly-homeRenfield: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz
01:09.58LuserI guess you have a driver problem but let's see..
01:10.32jelly-homeprefers putting everying in .conf file and using just
01:10.32RenfieldOk, lines added.
01:10.33jelly-home#iface eth1 inet dhcp
01:10.33jelly-home#    wpa-conf /home/jelly/.wpa/wpa_supplicant.conf
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01:11.11RenfieldWhat next?
01:11.18Luserthen  wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
01:11.35RenfieldShould I be concerned that wpa_supplicant is already running?
01:11.40Luserkill it
01:12.03RenfieldRestarts
01:12.16Luserwhat restarts? it restars by itself?
01:12.28RenfieldIt's parent process is init.
01:12.37Renfieldroot     11275     1  0 20:11 ?        00:00:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -u -s
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01:12.56RenfieldI killed it twice and it came back with a different PID.
01:13.17Luserare you using something like network manager? in gnome?
01:13.29RenfieldNot intentionally.
01:13.39RenfieldI'm not using Gnome. My window manager is ion3.
01:13.52Luserdoes it show in ps?
01:14.07RenfieldIt looks like NetworkManager is running, though.
01:14.09Luserit's better to stop everything that deals with your wireless
01:14.38Luser/etc/init.d/network-manager stop
01:15.12RenfieldOk, that and killing wpa finished it off for good.
01:15.25Luserwpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
01:16.14micolsmount says: usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,gid=46,umask=000)   mws:~# grep 46 /etc/group   plugdev:x:46:mio     , but the mountdir is still owned by root, any idea how to fix this? - my user is 'mio'
01:16.18RenfieldSIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory \n Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP \n Failed to initialize driver interface
01:16.19micolsmountdir and all dirs under it and files under it is root:root only
01:16.36LuserRemere, does iwconfig show your interface?
01:16.52RenfieldYes.
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01:17.05Renfieldwlan0, and shows the ESSID.
01:17.58RenfieldThis is an Intel Pro/wireless 3945ABG, in case it matters.
01:18.17Renfieldlsmod shows iwl3945
01:18.35Luserhum
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01:18.41Luseris there a firmware to put?
01:18.49RenfieldI have no idea.
01:19.38Luseryou have read this: http://wiki.debian.org/ipw3945 ?
01:19.50LinuxGuy2009Are there any apps that are for video playback but have something like a library list sort of like most music players have so i can just open it and select one of my ripped DVDs to play? I just thought it would be nice to have.
01:20.50RenfieldNo, I never found that one. I've been looking at a bunch of other web sites.
01:20.54RenfieldI'll investigate.
01:23.15Luser<PROTECTED>
01:23.19LuserRenfield
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01:24.36RenfieldThat did something.
01:24.42RenfieldNot enough though.
01:25.13Luserdid it install something the firmware?
01:25.23RenfieldYes.
01:25.36RenfieldI was able to install the firmware onto the laptop.
01:25.44Luserand now maybe rmmod and then modprobe
01:25.47RenfieldI do not know if it pushed that to the card.
01:25.52Luserthen check dmesg
01:26.08RenfieldOk I'll try that. I suspect that won't be easy as a number of modules are already depending on iwl3945.
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01:28.15RenfieldI see:  loaded firmware version 15.32.2.9
01:28.41Luserand now maybe the wpa_supplicant?
01:29.00RenfieldNope, same exact error messages.
01:31.24RenfieldI'm going to try the microcode install next.
01:32.03Luserdoes "iwlist wlan0 scan" give something
01:32.20Renfieldwlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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01:33.53vadiIs there any repository to install KDE 3.5 on Debian squeeze?   KDE 4.3 is a no go for me.
01:34.58Luserhere http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Iwlwifi , nearly at the end , try to disable hw_scanning
01:35.15LuserRenfield, just guessing.. I dont know this card
01:35.26LuserRenfield, out of idea, sorry..
01:35.42markinfoI have just installed Iceowl. There is option "Subscribe to remote Calender" and then  "remote calender - iCalender or CalDav"  What should be done on own server that this option is usable?
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01:36.58RenfieldNope, that doesn't fix it. Thanks for your help though.
01:37.16RenfieldI'm going to reboot to see if the microcode installation does something.
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01:38.44benkillinso by default the debian box I was admining had /bin/sh as a default shell for accounts that should not be logged into like www-data and service acounts like that, so I changed them all to /bin/false. why was it set as default to be a valid shell to login as?
01:38.58benkillineven though there was no password set (* was in the passwd hash field)
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01:41.37LinuxGuy2009I have Elisa Media Center installed from the repos and Im wondering if anyone knows if AAC audio files are supported by it or not. I have my ripped DVD collection that I made with AAC audio and they play just fine. My audio files are 256Kbps and end with an m4a extension if it matters at all. Anyone know for sure?
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01:48.34RenfieldLuser: I got it working. There is a little slide switch on the front of my laptop that turns off all radios. I had never used Wi-Fi on this laptop before, so I forgot about that switch.
01:49.04simonrvnbenkillin: someone must've changed them
01:49.25LuserRenfield, good! so now you can remove the wpa_supplicant.conf and put the psk in intefaces file OR use wicd OR networkmanager
01:49.26benkillinit was actually a ubuntu install
01:49.41benkillinbut since its base is debian I figured I would ask here...
01:50.08RenfieldI will. Thanks again for your help.
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01:51.35\amethystsimonrvn:  my Debian machines also have /bin/sh as the shell for everybody up to and including 'nobody', but not for most later-created system users
01:51.54benkillinweird
01:51.56simonrvn\amethyst: that must be for newer machines then
01:52.10benkillinwhy is that? why would that be set as that? thats a security risk imo
01:52.17simonrvnit is
01:52.27jelly-homebenkillin: we don't know what policies ubuntu uses for their /etc/passwd system users
01:52.32\amethystsimonrvn:  one etch->lenny, one lenny, and one 8-year-old sid
01:52.38simonrvncertainly for public ids
01:52.46jelly-homebenkillin: it's not a security risk as long as those users have no password set
01:52.50simonrvnhow odd
01:54.10\amethystI guess the idea is to allow you to su to those users
01:54.36jelly-homewithout having to make a HUGE effort to add -s /bin/sh to the arguments!
01:55.15\amethysthttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274229
01:56.12\amethystalso http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330882
01:56.47simonrvni suppose.. or maintainance scripts
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01:59.06Neo|Desktophey everyone, i need to know teh support on an ethernet adapter.. Marvell Technology Group Ltd/ Device 4380 (rev 10)
02:00.09markinfoI have just installed Iceowl. There is option "Subscribe to remote Calender" and then  "remote calender - iCalender or CalDav"  What should be done on own server that this option is usable?
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02:01.43\amethystsimonrvn:  it seems (in cjwatson's replay to #311754) that it's /bin/sh "in order to avoid breaking e.g. cron jobs that use 'su' to run processes as particular users"
02:01.59\amethystsimonrvn:  and that it's always been /bin/sh in Debian
02:02.12simonrvnah ok
02:02.27simonrvnlike jelly-home said, if it's disbaled passwd, then it's cool
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02:02.34simonrvndisabled*
02:02.35abrotmanNeo|Desktop: we'd need the whole PCIID
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02:03.23\amethystsimonrvn:  well, there are still a few avenues of attacks, like dropping in a /var/www/.ssh/authorized_keys
02:03.34simonrvnyeh
02:03.58Neo|Desktopabrotman: hmm.. i'm kinda stuck on ubuntu's lspci.. hangon real quick
02:05.24jelly-homeNeo|Desktop: eh, just add -n
02:05.56Neo|Desktopah device: 11ab:4380
02:06.44jelly-homejudd will be back soonish hopefully
02:06.47Neo|Desktopabrotman: 01:00.0 0200: 11ab:4380 (rev 10)
02:06.59Neo|Desktopthanks jelly-home :)
02:07.13abrotmanNeo|Desktop: i think you want #ubuntu
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02:07.58Neo|Desktopabrotman: well i'm using ubuntu atm, only because the debian instalelr doesn't seem to like the ethernet adapter i specified
02:08.42castthen do a base install and install what you need to get eth working
02:08.45abrotmanNeo|Desktop: your choices are a) get the backports.org .30 kernel b) use the kmuto image to install
02:08.57abrotmanNeo|Desktop:  the .26 in lenny won't have support
02:09.07jpinx-eeepccan anyone point me in the direction needed to make gphoto automount my camera - the plugin event is showing in dmesg, but not with any allocation of /dev/sd*
02:09.43Neo|Desktopabrotman: thanks, i'll take a look at the kmuto image
02:09.55abrotman!tell Neo|Desktop about kmuto
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02:10.11\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  does your camera actually provide a USB mass storage interface?
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02:11.00jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: dunno - how to check? I'll paste the dmesg output of the pluin event
02:12.02jpinx-eeepchttp://pastebin.com/d7c7b2eea
02:12.12jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: ^^
02:12.45jpinx-eeepcit says it'sa  USB device - is that what you were asking?
02:13.35\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  what does   lsusb -v   say about its  bInterfaceClass ?
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02:15.27jpinx-eeepchttp://pastebin.com/f7aeb6443
02:16.27\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  yeah, it just shows '6 Imaging' but not '8 Mass Storage'
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02:16.45\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  so your only option to mount it is FUSE + gphotofs or something similar
02:17.03\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  I'm not sure if that works manually
02:17.34jelly-homeis sure it would have worked ootb in UBUNTU
02:17.34jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: ok - I installed gphoto
02:18.06\amethystgphotofs is a FUSE driver that lets you mount a gphoto-supported camera as a filesystem
02:18.12jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: what do I have to be doing to get gphoto to work an automount?
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02:19.17jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: when the camera is plugged in it is not allocated a /dev/sd* so I can't even mount it manually
02:19.30\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  right, because it's not a mass-storage device
02:20.02\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  I don't know if it will help with automounting, but you need the package gphotofs if you want to be able to mount it at all
02:20.58OldParris there another firewall like firestarter?
02:23.18jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: ok gphotfs installed - how to make it autoshow the fielsystem on plugin?
02:24.50\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  I don't really know what to mess with for automounting... I would guess it's something in hal or policykit, but I'm not sure
02:26.22jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: ok thanks - I still can't get it mounted manually :?
02:27.04\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  try   gphotofs /your/mount/point
02:27.19jpinx-eeepcyep did that - nothing happened:(
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02:27.41\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  no error message?
02:27.47\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  and mount shows nothing?
02:28.26LinuxGuy2009Are there any ways if increasing the building of source code? I think I read that somewhere you can specify the number of cores to use or something I thought. I wasnt sure.
02:28.36LinuxGuy2009Increase build speed I meant.
02:29.25jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: need to clean up some of the tessting mountpoints and try again....
02:30.04\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  make -j <n>  says to run up to <n> targets at the same time
02:30.39LinuxGuy2009\amethyst:Whats it mean by number of targets?
02:31.23\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  e.g. with make -j 2   it can compile  foo.c -> foo.o   and   bar.c -> bar.o  at the same time
02:31.53\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  a 'target' in make is something being built
02:32.03LinuxGuy2009\amethyst: Oh i see. Im not building more projects than one at a time. Thank you for clearing that up.
02:32.22\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  well, a single project usually has multiple source files
02:32.45\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  make -j 2  tells make it can, for example, compile two source files at the same time
02:32.48LinuxGuy2009\amethyst: Building handbrake 0.9.4 from source. Only one source file.
02:33.08DogBoywhy
02:33.47\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  err, I think you're wrong
02:34.05LinuxGuy2009\amethyst: No theres only one. I built it before.
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02:34.11\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  I see 72 different .c files
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02:34.20\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  and 53 different .cs files
02:34.59LinuxGuy2009\amethyst: Dude theres only 1 HandBrake-0.9.4.tar.bz2 source package. Is this not what your talking about?
02:35.11\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  no, I'm talking about source code files within the package
02:35.37LinuxGuy2009\amethyst: So are you trying to say that the make -j option will speed things up then?
02:35.39\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  each of those C files (well, probably only most of them) must be compiled, then all the resulting .o ("object") files linked together
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02:36.05\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  yes, probably, if you have multiple CPUs or cores
02:36.13DogBoyLinuxGuy2009, why bother compiling it
02:36.16LinuxGuy2009\amethyst: Yeah Im on a quad core.
02:36.27\amethystLinuxGuy2009:  so -j 4  or -j 5 or so
02:36.39LinuxGuy2009DogBoy: They only have it compiled for Fedora and Ubuntu(yuck!).
02:36.47DogBoyhmm
02:36.56DogBoyguess it's been a while since I ran it
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02:37.10LinuxGuy2009DogBoy: Its actually really easy to build.
02:37.31DogBoythat is annoying when you go to some web site that says they have a linux version and then it's for ubuntu
02:38.13LinuxGuy2009DogBoy: Exactly...Thats why I recently learned to build my own. Solved that problem real quick. hehe
02:38.19DogBoyoh that was boxee
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02:38.45jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: ok - doing gphotofs /home/user/mount/point as user puts the fs on the mountpoint but owned by root - how to make it do the same and leave the mountpoint owned by user?
02:39.51LinuxGuy2009./configure, make, make install will build and install from source. ./configure, make, checkinstall -D will build and create a deb package. (wink)
02:39.52\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  hm
02:40.40jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: and when I fusermount -u it - the mountpoint reverts to being owned by user - wtf?
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02:41.07jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: it'd be fine for me - but I'm doing this for my dauighters box
02:41.39\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  that last part makes sense... when mounted, the mount point is the root of the new fs; and when you unmount, it goes back to being the directory it was on the old fs
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02:41.55\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  does -o uid=<blah>  work?
02:42.08\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  I don't have a camera lying around to test unfortunately :(
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02:42.28jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: gphotofs doesn't appear to have *amy* options  - according to the man page
02:43.23\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  I believe you can give any option that fusermount accepts
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02:43.29lenswipehey guys
02:43.41lenswipewhats the current version of debian?
02:43.45lenswipeis it lenny or squeeze?
02:44.09\amethystlenswipe:  lenny is the most recent release.  squeeze is still testing
02:44.14lenswipedamn
02:44.20lenswipei labeled the CD wrong >:{
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02:44.25lenswipeo well
02:44.27lenswipeoh another thing
02:44.43lenswipei downloaded a small CD and im installing from that
02:44.55lenswipeits only detecting 800x600 graphics modes
02:44.59lenswipeso i just went with that
02:45.02lenswipecan i change it later?
02:45.11lenswipeto something more reasonable
02:45.18jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: -o iud=1001 puts the owner as user - but my gui filemanager is choking on it.
02:45.21abrotmannvidia/ati ?
02:45.25lenswipesay 1024x768 or even 1280x1024
02:46.29\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  hm...
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02:48.07lenswipeanyone?
02:48.13lenswipecan i choose a video mode later?
02:48.13\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  you might have more luck then just using  gphoto2://  in nautilus (assuming you have gvfs-backends)
02:48.41jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: lxde desktop with pcmanfm filemanager
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02:48.51\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  hm, and I guess it doesn't use gvfs
02:48.54arastoohi
02:49.14jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: nfc
02:50.14jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: the annoying thing is that the mount works adn I can ls the camera contents from teh cl - but not fromthe gui filemanager
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02:50.33\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  what happens in the file manager?
02:50.43\amethystjpinx-eeepc:  does it appear empty, give an error message, ...
02:50.59jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: the mountpoint vanishes
02:51.27jpinx-eeepcand when I enter the path manually it claims that the dir doesn't exist - but I can ls it on the cla s that user
02:52.00jpinx-eeepctried closing the fm before doing the mount - etc, etc
02:53.21jpinx-eeepcls -al gives me dr-xr-xr-x  2 username root            0 1969-12-31 19:00 camera
02:54.12jpinx-eeepcand ls camera gives me DCIM and MISC - as expected
02:54.23jpinx-eeepcbut the fm is refusing to see it
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03:00.44lakotajameswhat's the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-2-686?
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03:01.28lakotajameshello?
03:01.40liablethe first is a meta package that gets the latest version
03:02.11lakotajamesoh, ok.
03:02.23lakotajamesso during install, which do I pick?
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03:02.35jpinx-eeepcliable: I got that wifi working in the end ;)
03:02.38liablethe first
03:02.41abrotman!metapackage
03:02.42dpkgmetapackage is probably a package that normally exists for convenience.  It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line.  The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
03:02.46lakotajamesok. thanks. :)
03:02.52abrotmanlakotajames: really, you probably want linux-image-686
03:02.54liablejpinx-eeepc: yeah i saw, i forgot that module had 'sta' on the end :)
03:03.15jpinx-eeepcliable: yea - silly me - it was even listed for me :/
03:03.19lakotajamesthanks!
03:03.22lakotajamesoh
03:03.27lakotajamesgeneric or targeted drivers?
03:03.29lakotajames:p
03:03.36abrotmanhuh?
03:03.46lakotajameson the configuring udev screen
03:04.01Neo|Desktopok, so i'm doing the kmuto net-boot thing for my laptop.. i have verified that the conetnts of the iso are on webserver 172.16.0.13:81 in the "webroot" of that server.. yet debian doesn't like it still.. i'm probably doing something wrong.. help?
03:04.20lakotajamesit asks if it should install generic drivers, which is all of them, or targeted, which are the only ones needed for the system.
03:04.29abrotmanthe what ?
03:04.59lakotajamesfor initrd
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03:05.15lakotajamesduring install.
03:05.18liablegeneric
03:05.23lakotajamesok.
03:05.24lakotajamesthanks.
03:05.37liableyou must be doing an expert install if you're getting those questions
03:05.37lakotajamesunder what circumstances would you choose targeted?
03:05.41lakotajamesI am.
03:05.41lakotajames:p
03:05.47liablewhy?
03:05.51lakotajameswell
03:05.57lakotajamesI was installing dual boot
03:06.08liableif you have to ask here, you ain't no expert :P
03:06.12lakotajamesand I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to wipe my home folder.
03:06.20lakotajamesbecause I was sharing it with another distro.
03:06.26lakotajamesI've done it before
03:06.32lakotajamesjust picked the defaults
03:06.41lakotajamesjust thought I would ask this time. :p
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03:09.50Neo|Desktopany ideas?
03:10.26abrotmanNeo|Desktop: your questoin doesn't make sense
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03:11.21Neo|Desktopwheres what kmuto says: "On Web server, you'll do "mount -o loop /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom" and set up to export /mnt/cdrom to the outside. To escape Release.gpg verification (only Debian official ftpmaster can sign this file), you have to specify a special parameter, like "install debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true"."
03:11.41abrotmanuh .. you just burn the ISO to a CD and install
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03:12.10Neo|Desktopabrotman: i tftp'd net-boot'd it
03:12.21Neo|Desktopi don't have any blank cd's :/
03:12.28abrotmanuse a USB stick
03:12.43Neo|Desktopahahah *facepalm*
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03:12.58Neo|Desktopjesus shgould have thought of that earlier
03:13.21Neo|Desktopthanks abrotman, :)
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03:46.58LinuxGuy2009Guess I was just making things too complicated. I did a "cd /media/cdrom", "md5sum -c md5sum.txt". Checking each file for me now.
03:49.18jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: If you cannot trust the image as a whole, logically you cannot trust the md5sums.txt file within that image, so that test is unsound if done before you first verify the image as a whole.
03:50.16LinuxGuy2009If i copy the output to a text file. I know that it outputs stuff like "./pool/main/h/haskell-alut/libghc6-alut-prof_2.1.0.0-2_i386.deb: OK" when a file is good. If a file is bad what does it replace OK with at the end so i can use the find option in the text editor to find a bad file reported? Does it just replace OK with BAD or what?
03:51.22jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Try grep -v ": OK$" yourfilename    rather than messing with find in a text editor!?
03:52.08LinuxGuy2009Well the packages that i know are bad wont even copy and paste. The md5sum.txt copied and pasted fine.
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03:52.39LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I dont know the use of $ or grep. thats why
03:52.58jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Then it's time to learn.
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03:53.43jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Try something like http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html  as a basic Linux tutorial.
03:54.17LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Instead of redownloading a 4+GB iso I can just verify if the files are bad with md5sum and if i find a bad file Ill just use the bad disk as a source for jigdo. Its MUCH faster.
03:54.56LinuxGuy2009This is why im verifying files rather than the whole disk image.
03:56.04LinuxGuy2009Only reliable way to check the iso anyways is to use head -c and enter the byte size to use. Otherwise the checksums NEVER match.
03:56.25LinuxGuy2009And debian doesnt seem to list the byte sizes of the images
03:59.06LinuxGuy2009See where Im coming from?
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04:01.21jmarsdenNot really.  If you had asked 30 minutes ago how big file X was, you'd probably have an answer to that question by now...
04:01.39jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Ever tried something like HEAD http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-2.iso
04:02.13jmarsdenNote the "Content-Length: line that it displays ...
04:02.22LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Like I already said head -c and image byte size works. Debian doesnt list the byte sizes of the images to use that. doh!
04:02.55LinuxGuy2009So the checksum NEVER matches without it.
04:03.00fluorinehi, i'm having a queer problem with my bash completions. when i login over ssh, the completions do not seem to be loaded -- for example, "sudo apti<tab>" should complete into "sudo aptitude", but it doesn't. i've already installed the bash-completion project, and here's the weird part: completion works fine when i launch another bash shell within the ssh session. how can I fix this?
04:03.05jmarsdenLike all web servers, cdimage.debian.org allows you to find out how big its served content is... see the HEAD command above.  Doh.
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04:04.33Trampfluorine: source your .bashrc from your .bash_profile or .bash_login or .profile (whatever you have)
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04:04.54LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Umm 4.4GB isnt really exact enough info to use that with head I wouldnt think.
04:05.15jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Did you try the command I provided, which gives you an exact byte count??  or not?
04:05.55jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Earlier, I said: <jmarsden> LinuxGuy2009: Ever tried something like HEAD http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-2.iso
04:06.52LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I know about head. You have to have a byte count following the -c. I dont have that info thats what Im saying.
04:06.54fluorineTramp: hi, thanks. I don't have any of those files in $HOME, because I didn't think I would need them (I specifically uncommented the ". /etc/bash_completion" line in /etc/bash.bashrc, and according to $HOME/.bashrc, /etc/profile references /etc/bash.bashrc)
04:07.04jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: HEAD and head are different commands.
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04:07.19LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: hehe Lightbulb moment.
04:08.11LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Ok so enlighten me with your method here. Im all ears dude.
04:08.24jmarsdenNo you aren't, I already told you what to try and you refuse to try it!
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04:09.01LinuxGuy2009Content-Length: 4681613312 That what im looking at in the output?
04:09.10jmarsdenSure looks like a byte count to me.
04:09.29LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Yep me too. You da man!
04:09.37fluorineTramp: hm, I just invoked: `echo "source .bashrc" > $HOME/.bash_profile`, and i'm still getting the problem
04:10.22Trampfluorine: sure. if . /etc/bash_completion is still commented out there.
04:10.35Trampah, you said "uncommented"
04:10.40fluorineTramp: "there" = "$HOME/.bashrc"?
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04:11.06fluorinefor some reason, I'm under the impression that uncommenting it from /etc/bash.bashrc is enough
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04:12.38Trampfluorine: man bash, section INVOCATION to see, what file is included when
04:12.46fluorinehow very strange -- it works now, after i uncomment it inside $HOME/.bashrc
04:13.30fluorineTramp: thanks for the pointer
04:13.34Trampyw
04:14.44phorce1if I'm 'aptitude purge'ing a package how can I get it to also automatically use 'purge' on all of the unneeded dependencies that it elects to remove at the same time (they get set ti {u} instead of {p})
04:15.00LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I plugged that Content-Length into head -c and the md5sum still dont match so I dont think thats a byte size.
04:15.04fluorineaha, now I know what went wrong -- /etc/profile does NOT /etc/bash.bashrc, despite the comment inside $HOME/bash.bashrc
04:15.15fluorines/does NOT/does NOT source//g
04:15.19jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: I do.  I think that means your image is corrupt.
04:15.39jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Which is why you are having issues with it in the first place.
04:15.59LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I ran it on a good one.
04:16.44jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Now I'm confused.  if you have a known good image of that .ISO, just burn it to DVD and you are done.  No need for md5sum, jigdo or anything else!
04:16.46LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: head -c 1335451648 | md5sum /dev/cdrom
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04:17.12LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I dont have an ISO.
04:17.20LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I used jigdo.
04:17.22jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: Huh?  Then define "good one" ?
04:17.29karlpincjmarsden: Isn't the http content length inflated by content encoding?
04:17.52LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Debian repo DVD5 is the good one. DVD 2 is the one with corrupt debs that wont even copy and paste.
04:18.03jmarsdenkarlpinc: I don't believe so.
04:18.41jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: "Debian repo DVD5" is meaningless.  Do you have a URL, then I can download it and test for you...
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04:18.59LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/
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04:20.11LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: What are you gonna try and do?
04:20.12jmarsdenOK, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-5.iso  will be here in 20 minutes...
04:20.35LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I can rebuild it with jigdo in 2min.
04:20.49jmarsdenThen I will know how big it is when downloaded, and I will compare that to the HEAD Content-Length: field value for you, and run the md5sum on it.
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04:21.38jmarsdenLinuxGuy2009: If you have a known good copy of that exact file, you know exactly how big that file is... if not, then you don't.  Which is it?
04:22.21LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: I dont have an ISO. Do you not know what jigdo is?
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04:22.54jmarsdenIf you don't have the ISO then how will your doing anything with jigdo help prove or disprove the validity of an md5sum for a ,iso file??
04:23.58jmarsdenI referred to a file ending in .iso and you replied <LinuxGuy2009> jmarsden: I can rebuild it with jigdo in 2min.
04:24.10jmarsdenEither you can, or you can't, rebuild that .iso that way.
04:24.31jmarsdenMake your mind up.
04:25.08LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Ok looks like you have never used jigdo before thats cool. Jigdo will look for each needed file for an ISO image from any source you choose. In my case the DVD with the bad files. It will then check the md5sum of the files and if there good it will just copy and paste them to the new ISO. Anything that fails an md5sum check or is found to be corrupt will be redownloaded and added. This can be very fast if only a few files are
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04:25.48jmarsdenSo either it ends up with an ISO image, or it does not.  So either you can rebuild that ISO with jigdo, or you cannot.
04:26.03jmarsdenThere is no grey area here.
04:26.34LinuxGuy2009jmarsden: Im sorry I feel like am asking a newb here. I think Ill leave and move on. Have a nice day/night.
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04:29.38Josh``I have a machine on my network with a fairly recent install of Lenny. it's not communicating it's hostname to my DHCP/dnsmasq server when it gets it's ip..How would I begin to troubleshoot this?
04:30.07karlpincJosh``: man dhclient
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04:30.53karlpincJosh``: And look at the logs on the server.
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04:37.36bintuthow can i logrotate based on the file size and compress the old ones?
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04:38.14karlpincbintut: man logrotate has comprehensive instructions.
04:52.01bintutkarlpinc: ok.
04:52.43bintuti have a big log file and i want to delete around 50% of that file without opening it. how can i do that?
04:53.31karlpincbintut: The first 50%?
04:53.40jmarsdenbintut: Short of messing around with a filesystem debugger, you need to open a file if you want to change it... more or less by definition.
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04:54.15bintutkarlpinc: around that amount
04:54.32karlpincbintut: And, do you care if you lose a log message or so while you make the change?
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04:55.29bintutkarlpinc: i got 100% full because of this log. how can i remove the 50% contents of this file?
04:55.50karlpincbintut: And, do you have enough disk to have both the log and the last 50%.  Looks like not.
04:56.29bintutkarlpinc: i don't have a disk space. i know how to cut the number of lines when i'm in vim but i cannot do it because the file is too large
04:57.39karlpincbintut: emacs might be able to work with a large file, but it does have a limit.
04:58.09bintutkarlpinc: i'm talking about 46GB of log file. i don't know what happened but i need to free up space
04:58.24bintuti will be checking later once i free up the partition
04:58.47jmarsdenbintut: Do you have disk space on some other partition you can use temporarily?
04:59.10karlpincbintut: Do you have 10G or so anywhere else?  gzip -c /var/log/foo > /somewhere/else.gzip will save it elsewhere, compressed.
04:59.13bintutjmarsden: no. and if i have, i can redirect the contents to a new file
04:59.35karlpincs/gzip/gz/
04:59.37bintuti'm thinking of head -n num | cut or something like that but i'm not sure if it will work
04:59.54bintutkarlpinc: no. i don't have enough space
04:59.55karlpincbintut: That will still require disk for the destination file.
05:00.11karlpincbintut: No usb key or anything?
05:00.20bintutkarlpinc: this is a remote system
05:02.31karlpincbintut: You can save the last however-much-disk-you-have using tail, but with no disk....  What we need is a good editor that does not use temporary files....   You may be reduced to writing a script, in perl or python or some such that will seek to the halfway point, copy to the beginning and then truncate the file.
05:03.40karlpincbintut: I wonder if dd would work....
05:04.52karlpincbintut: You'd still need to truncate.
05:05.06jmarsdenbintut: Or something like     ssh you@server.example.com "tail -50000 /var/log/biglogfile" >local-tail-of-biglogfile    # Since this uses no remote disk space at all.  Then kill the remote biglogfile and then put the tail you saved on your local machine back.
05:05.23karlpincjmarsden: That sounds really sane.
05:05.50karlpincjmarsden: Or even nfs mount some extra space or something.
05:06.00jmarsdenOf course, if he really needs 50%, that's 23GB to move over SSH... yes, network filesystems would work too.
05:06.10bintutjmarsden: what remote tail command is that?
05:06.17karlpincjmarsden: It'd work ok if there was a gigE link....
05:06.27bintutjmarsden: should it be with an option -n?
05:06.35karlpincbintut: His ssh command does the tail, remotely.
05:06.36jmarsdenIt's a normal tail command, being run over ssh.
05:07.21jmarsdenbintut: tail -n 50000 somefile     and   tail -50000 somefile    are equivalent
05:07.40bintutok
05:07.54bintuti think the ssh to itself is a good one
05:07.56bintutlet me try it
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05:09.18karlpincbintut: You may as well copy the whole log, and then copy back half.  That way you keep the whole log.  (If you've the space/bandwidth.)
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05:10.22bintutkarlpinc: ok
05:10.40karlpincbintut: For that matter "ssh foo@example.com 'gzip -c /var/log/somefile' > somefile.gz" would probably save some space at least.
05:11.03karlpincbintut: (ssh has a tendency to compress to save bandwith so it might not be any faster.)
05:11.12bintutcool! it worked flawlessly!  :D
05:11.37bintutthanks jmarsden. ;)
05:11.40bintutthanks guys.. ;)
05:11.47jmarsdenYou're welcome.
05:11.48bintutthanks karlpinc.. ;)
05:11.50karlpincbintut:  "echo -n '' > /var/log/somelog" to truncate the original to zero.
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05:13.38saltmiserhey all; i'm running debian lenny on an ibook g4; using xfce/lxde; thunar/pcmanfm can use hal/udev to automount a 4gb fat32 flashdrive...but it can't automount a 1.5TB fat32 external drive...why?
05:13.58saltmiser(all usb)
05:15.22rgrwho knows. what errors does it give when you try to mount the partitions?
05:15.39saltmiserwhere can I check for those?
05:15.46saltmiserI looked in syslog and dmesg, nothing there
05:16.00saltmiserbesides a "woah look! new hard drive!"
05:16.06rgrwhat happens when you mount or try by hand?
05:16.15saltmiserit works fine
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05:16.22saltmiserI can read/write (as root) to it, etc.
05:16.40Neo|Desktophow do i get sdhci support for my internal sdcard reader in the debian installer?
05:17.08Neo|Desktop'modprobe sdhci' didn't work on its own :/
05:18.08karlpincsaltmiser: You can try adding a line that logs everything in /etc/rsyslog.conf (or whatever) often debug messages and info messages will simply disappear.
05:18.12rgrsaltmiser: I dont know to be honest. A udev problem maybe. Try here http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs
05:18.54TrueDDGood night all
05:20.21saltmiserI've heard some call the udev/hald combo a "frankenstien" :P
05:20.32karlpincsaltmiser: How do you handle unmounting?  I thought that automounting of (v)fat worked ok, but there's no autounmounting because of something with the fs.  Or am I out of date?
05:20.52saltmiserwell, with the 4 gig flash drive; I'd just tear it out and it'd disappear
05:21.06saltmiserwith the 1.5tb hard drive, i'd have to manually unmount it with the unmount command
05:21.11karlpincsaltmiser: But, if it's not unmounted then it can corrupt the fs.
05:21.19saltmiseryeah I know
05:21.24saltmiserI always ran "sync" before I tore them out
05:21.31saltmiserand i've never had a problem
05:21.34karlpincsaltmiser: May as well unmount it.
05:22.36saltmiserso that's a flaw in the whole "hal tells file browser a device exist when user plugs in; and hal tells file browser a device exists no more when they tear it out"
05:22.39saltmiser;D
05:22.52saltmiserI guess you could always right click on it and go unmount
05:24.26karlpincsaltmiser: I've used usbmount with success in the past, fwiw.
05:25.40saltmiserso basically, you and rgr are telling me there are better things to do automounting with than hal
05:25.41castautomounting is tricky, running in sync mode is damned slow, and as karlpinc mentions you still run into issues with vfat
05:26.08casti just do things manually, saves some issues
05:26.56karlpincsaltmiser: My opinion is not informed.  usbmount has worked for me.
05:26.59saltmiserwhat's a good way to mount a device either as a user, or mount it as root then allow a user to write to the device?
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05:27.29castsaltmiser: add the user option to fstab
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05:27.53castsaltmiser: there's also, in the case of vfat, an option to specify the owner of the files
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05:28.20karlpincsaltmiser: Isn't that a matter of having the user be in the right group?  (As well as fstab?)
05:28.50saltmiserwell, there's already a bunch of files on it already from different os's and everything
05:29.25saltmiserI wanted to do that, add it to fstab; but the only problem with that is I don't leave this hard driv eon all the time, it's really just for archiving/backups
05:29.48karlpincsaltmiser: Use the noauto option.
05:30.00saltmiserso lets say its in fstab as /dev/sda1
05:30.07saltmiserand now this har ddrive is off and I plug in a flash drive
05:30.10saltmiserwon't that show up as sda1?
05:30.23castyou dont have to use sda1, you can use UUID or labels
05:30.40saltmiseroh wow ok
05:30.44karlpinccast: But maybe not with vfat.  Which raises the question of "why vfat"?
05:30.51casti tend to use LVM, but thats a bit more complicated for external drives [due to having to export volume groups]
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05:30.54hotwingsim building mplayer with 'debuild binary' but ive changed the "Package: mplayer" field in debian/control to "Package: mplayer-custom".. the package is named as "mplayer-custom", and shows in dpkg -l as that but /usr/bin/mplayer is missing.  if i dont add -custom, /usr/bin/mplayer exists.  any idea what went wrong?  maybe trying to rename the package in the wrong place or?
05:31.14saltmiserkarlpinc, vfat because I need to be able to plug this drive into windows, osx, and linux machines ;)
05:31.31karlpincsaltmiser: ntfs
05:31.42saltmiserI thought ntfs was bad >_>
05:31.51karlpincsaltmiser: vfat is more badder.
05:31.53casthmm, dunno about UUID/LABELs with vfat :<
05:32.01saltmiseri'm pretty sure osx tiger has a hard time with ntfs as well
05:32.08castwhat does osx support?
05:32.22saltmisertiger (10.4), not a whole lot
05:32.29castnot even ext3? :<
05:32.38saltmisernot without installing a bunch of stuff, no
05:32.45saltmiserthe yeven tricked me into formatting this drive once as their "UFS"
05:32.50saltmiserwhich I figured would be unix file system, cool
05:32.58jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: fwiw - I am having to do "sudo gphotofs -o uid=1001 mountpoint && sudo rsync -r mountpoint copied.camera.contents && sudo fusermount -u mountpoint
05:33.03saltmiserso I could use it on linux and bsd and stuff, even windows if I got the right stuff
05:33.10saltmiserbut nope, it's apple's proprietary ufs
05:33.22jpinx-eeepc\amethyst: and even then the permissions come out wrong - but manageable
05:33.33castwow, thats crap.
05:33.46casti'd rather use tar than FAT
05:34.19saltmiserheh yeah...it's a shame there isn't one good universal filesystem
05:34.31karlpincI prefer doing backups with rsync over the network.  However the whole apple "data fork" thingie does not always play nice.
05:34.46karlpincsaltmiser: It's called a network.  ;-)
05:34.57saltmisernetworks aren't portable :P
05:35.10castNFS, or CIFS, or etc..? :<
05:35.11karlpincsaltmiser: They're everywhere.
05:35.21castremembers AFS
05:35.29saltmiserbut they're slow in some places than others
05:35.47saltmiserespecially if you're at house A which holds the stoage and house B holds the data you need
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05:35.55saltmiserand the link between house A and B is some slow dsl or something crappy :P
05:35.56karlpincsaltmiser: It does depend on bandwidth.  But you can push a lot of bits in off-hours when nobody's looking.
05:36.23saltmiseryeah..trust me I know how awesome ssh and friends are :)
05:36.47saltmiserI don't play with NFS and CIFS too much though, I need to..
05:37.21castNFS is nice, simple, and widespread, and works pretty well
05:37.42saltmiserheh so I mounted this hard drive by hand; and I tried to use thunar to start browsing it
05:37.45saltmiserthunar then proceeds to crash
05:37.51karlpincCIFS is voodoo, because everybody chases Microsofts bugs.
05:37.53saltmiserbefore it even gets into /mnt (it's mounted to /mnt)
05:38.05karlpinc(but it does seem to work regardless.)
05:38.18saltmiserwonder if that has anything to do with it...
05:38.55saltmiserhm
05:39.23saltmiserI'll just hard code this thing into fstab with user and noauto
05:39.43casthmm, what about UDF
05:39.52saltmiserI thought that was only for DVD's though
05:39.59castnah,
05:40.13castDVD is just a block device innit :)
05:40.19saltmiserhmmmm
05:40.50karlpinccast: Not really.  You can't dd it for example and expect it to read like a real device because of all the DRM crap that's been added to the hardware.
05:41.27casthmm
05:41.30jpinx-eeepcwhat's the dpkg-reconfigure to reset the system time?
05:41.50jpinx-eeepcdoesn't use these things often enough to remember them
05:41.52castwith recordable CDs sometimes i burn movie.avi straight to them, then mplayer /dev/cdrom without drama
05:41.52peterrooneyany ideas why screen would stop understanding arrow input (when switching between shells) and instead only accept 'j' and 'k' (vi- like input) for navigation?
05:42.00liable!set the time
05:42.00dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set.  The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers.  You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
05:42.13jpinx-eeepcthanks liable :)
05:42.15karlpincjpinx-eeepc: Me either.  You're probably better off installing ntp or ntpdate.
05:42.59saltmiserI'm gonna edit /etc/rsyslog.conf
05:43.48karlpincpeterrooney: screen is very vi oriented.  The gnu project has something that's more emacs-ie, and so handles arrows and so forth.  I forget the details.
05:43.53jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: you still need to reset to soething close enough for ntp to catch it
05:44.17karlpincjpinx-eeepc: ntpdate might work better for laptops where you're not always on.
05:45.08jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: need to look at that - I jump a8 hours in timezones when I am flying
05:45.28jpinx-eeepcI jump *18* hours....
05:45.58saltmiser'im gonna compare the output of lshal for a 4gig drive and the 1.5 drive
05:46.09karlpincjpinx-eeepc: /etc/default/rcS has the timezone.
05:46.34karlpincjpinx-eeepc: (But it's only set on boot.  Otherwise you need to set it at login as an env variable.)
05:47.11jpinx-eeepcbleugh - too hard - looking at ntpdate
05:47.16castwhat's lshal?
05:48.01karlpincjpinx-eeepc: You could hack /etc/init.d/rc to prompt for timezone at boot.  (or write an init script and drop it into rcS.d.
05:48.05jpinx-eeepccast:  a list of your hardware as seen by hal
05:48.11saltmiserhm ok
05:48.24jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: even harder :(
05:48.27saltmiserstorage.media_check_enabled
05:48.37saltmisersda is false, sdb is true
05:48.41saltmisersda does not show pu in thunar
05:48.43saltmisersdb does
05:48.50castahh
05:49.02saltmiseridk if this is it; nor do I know how to change this value :P
05:49.43saltmiserstorage.removable is false for sda, and true for sdb as well
05:49.43karlpincjpinx-eeepc: ntpdate won't set your tz.  I wonder if there's such a package for travelers that will.....
05:49.53saltmiserso maybe because hal doesn't see it as "removable storage"; it won't let it show up
05:50.31jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: that's exactly my point - tz jumps of 18 hours for me :(
05:52.30jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: is there not a package that dpkg can reconfigure and allow me to reselect a tz?
05:53.40karlpincHumm.  From the kde menu Debian->Applications->System->Administration->Time Admin seems to be broken.  I get a dialog saying "The configuration could not be loaded".  However, the kde system->time and date app seems to work fine and lets me set the timezone.  (It says the command is "gksu time-admin".)
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05:54.26karlpincjpinx-eeepc: gnome-system-tools?
05:54.59Eric02My server have 12GB ram and i am running only MySQL on it. it shows: Free 488mb and all other is used.
05:55.03Eric02what used that much ram ?
05:55.16Eric02how can i find out what's keeping that much ram in use.
05:55.19jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: got it !  dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
05:55.23karlpincEric02: The os buffers disk to ram.  RAM unused is ram wasted.
05:55.26Eric02i tried via atop / htop /iotop
05:55.37karlpincEric02: vmstat
05:56.19Eric02http://pastebin.com/d6cf7076e
05:56.54Eric02i am using normal SATA2
05:57.10Eric02upgrading SATA to SCSI 15k RPM will help ?
05:57.10karlpincjpinx-eeepc: Does that change the tz in your running programs/existing shell?
05:57.16Eric02ram usage will decrease ?
05:57.27karlpincEric02: You want your ram to be used.
05:57.39Eric02i want to decrease usage of ram
05:57.45Eric02it's nearly used 95%
05:57.46jpinx-eeepckarlpinc: yep
05:57.51Eric02and my site is opening not fast enough.
05:58.00karlpincEric02: So the system can wait while it goes to read the disk instead of reading the data out of ram?
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05:58.38Eric02hmm confused...
05:58.45Eric02so it's better to keep data in ram ?
05:59.26saltmiserI'm gonna reboot this mahcine and see if that makes it magically work
05:59.28karlpincEric02: Yes.  The system notices what disk is used and tries to keep that in ram.  You probably have a mysql performance problem.  But without stats it's hard to tell.
05:59.57Eric02vmstat result is: http://pastebin.com/d6cf7076e
06:00.45karlpincEric02: You may need to configure mysql to use more ram.  (Haven't looked at your pastebin and don't know much about mysql.  I prefer postgresql for reliability and performance.)
06:02.42Eric02never used postgresql...
06:04.15karlpincEric02: Sometimes mysql is the right choice.  YMMV.
06:06.09Eric0295% ram is in use now, maybe it's because HDD can't afford writing data too fast, that's why data is saved in Ram.
06:06.29Eric02SCSI 15k RPM i/o speed is better, maybe that help little bit.
06:06.47Eric02my current hdd speed is 7500 rpm sata II
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06:08.29bintuton logrotate: do i have the right config here? => http://www.pastie.org/791993
06:08.34bintutplease advice.
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06:12.26saltmiserof course that did nothing
06:12.42saltmiserit's a shame; debian runs noticably faster than osx tiger
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06:41.44liableturn around
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06:56.47darkfuneralanyone know a tool like hidam (hierarchical data editor)?
06:58.19LinuxGuy2009Ok I just got done building HandBrake 0.9.4 deb package for Debian Lenny since there was no pre built package for it. Now Im wondering if there is any way to find out if there are any install dependencies other than doing a fresh debian install in a virtualbox and then manually "dpkg -i package.deb" and seeing if it throws a message for a missing dep.
06:58.37darkfuneralanyone know a tool like hidam (hierarchical data editor)?
06:59.37LinuxGuy2009I used checkinstall -D to build the deb package if that makes a difference.
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07:04.43castnasty @ checkinstall
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07:06.21LinuxGuy2009cast: Whats a better alternative? This is my first successfully built package. What would you have used after "make"?
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07:08.12castdebian ships a stable set of packages, tested together
07:08.17lord-carlosHi there
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07:08.36castwhen installing my own junk, i restrict things to /usr/local, using stow to manage it, after make i run make install
07:08.38lord-carlosis there a way to reset the iptable rules to default without restarting?
07:09.07castthe key is during the configure i've passed the --exec-prefix --prefix options, and only have rw access to /usr/local/stow/
07:09.42LinuxGuy2009cast: So whats the issue with checkinstall -D then?
07:10.08castwhat does -D do?
07:10.28LinuxGuy2009cast: builds a deb package.
07:10.49LinuxGuy2009./checkinstall, make, checkinstall -D
07:10.52castwhich is then installed with dpkg -i?
07:11.15LinuxGuy2009cast: yep or aptitude
07:11.38castone minor question: do they install to /usr/local with checkinstall?
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07:11.57LinuxGuy2009cast: ill check real quick
07:12.42LinuxGuy2009cast: Just looked at my package with gdebi-gtk and yes all files are installed to /usr/local/
07:12.50castit's not really relevent to my main issue with the situation, is that you're contaiminating the tested set of packages with your own homemade one, even if it does restrict itself to files in /usr/local, using apt to install and keep track of it messes with the system package db
07:13.33LinuxGuy2009cast: And it messes with it how?
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07:16.10LinuxGuy2009cast: All I did was install the build deps from the repos and build it. Works great!
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07:17.03castX may depend on a specific version of Y, you install Y+1 == issue. X may assume a specific setup of package Y, maybe newer version of upstream changed setups, or maybe deb maintainers do, but your newer version of Y may not conform. etc...etc...
07:17.52LinuxGuy2009cast: That makes no sense at all.
07:18.04castblinks
07:18.32CutMeOwnThroathands cast glasses
07:18.33LinuxGuy2009cast: If there is an issue synaptic or apt can remove my package or do whatever it wants it completely tracked by it.
07:19.32CutMeOwnThroatit's not as if the packages coming from debian are magic in any way...
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07:20.03LinuxGuy2009CutMeOwnThroat: hehehe I agree
07:20.36castyeah, not like we have long testing periods and apply debian specific patches
07:20.43CutMeOwnThroatof course they _are_ rather certainly of a better quality than what you get with checkinstall...
07:21.18CutMeOwnThroatwell, to be fair, in perhaps one out of 10 cases or so those patches _create_ problems
07:21.30CutMeOwnThroatssh-keygen *cough*
07:22.04CutMeOwnThroatperhap it' only one in 100, who knows
07:22.30LinuxGuy2009I dont see how anything can go wrong with this installed package. Ive installed nothing from out of the repos with it. If it fails to work I just remove it. Game over.
07:22.55CutMeOwnThroatLinuxGuy2009,  to answer the question, though - normally the install instructions (if they're good) list requirements...
07:23.17LinuxGuy2009CutMeOwnThroat: Yes it listed the build deps.
07:23.45CutMeOwnThroatyou can also check the binaries with "ld" to see what runtime libraries they depend on, although that won't tell you what version you need to be >=
07:23.49LinuxGuy2009CutMeOwnThroat: Im speaking of install deps so I can add it to my offline CDR repo disk.
07:24.57CutMeOwnThroatyou can deduce what runtime libraries are used from the build-depends, though?
07:25.38CutMeOwnThroatwell, actually, install instructions normally also tell you about the runtime dependencies...
07:25.50lord-carlosdoes no one know how to reset the iptable rules to debian default without restarting?
07:25.52CutMeOwnThroatas in you have to install this and this and this library first
07:25.56LinuxGuy2009CutMeOwnThroat: Ok so your saying that if a build dep is something like "package-dev" then "package" is a install dep?
07:26.18CutMeOwnThroatmost probably, if you didn't build static binaries
07:26.33casttip of the day: running ldd on untrusted binaries is a bad idea
07:26.41LinuxGuy2009CutMeOwnThroat: Oh thats very cool you taught me something new. Thank you.
07:26.52castwonders if GNU ldd fixes that
07:27.12LinuxGuy2009cast: I take it your paranoid of building and installing outside the repos?
07:27.31castnot at all
07:27.37CutMeOwnThroatlord-carlos, they're just empty...
07:28.08casti use stow, and never run into weird dependency issues due to strange versions of things being installed
07:28.41casti've never used checkinstall, as it was quite broken in debian for a long time
07:29.15lord-carlosCutMeOwnThroat: so just flsuh and delet all chain rules? *testing*
07:29.39LinuxGuy2009cast: Yeah im not that OCD to bother with that. hehe
07:29.46CutMeOwnThroatlord-carlos, these are the ones on my machine: http://pastebin.com/f7a76cf23 - guess if you wanted, you could "restore" yours by removin the 2 fail2ban lines from those, put it in a file and run iptables-restore <somefile
07:30.00CutMeOwnThroatlord-carlos, yes
07:30.30lord-carlosthanks
07:30.33LinuxGuy2009Ok im outta here. Thanks CutMeOwnThroat
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07:30.44CutMeOwnThroatlord-carlos, I think you have to flush every rule separately, though(?) - dunno what happens if you have added new policie
07:30.51CutMeOwnThroatnite
07:31.19pat|nGdoes debian built for kde? or gnome? which one?
07:31.31lord-carlosmhh, i know sh*t about iptable .. maybe i should just restart
07:32.21CutMeOwnThroat"build for"?
07:34.35CutMeOwnThroatcast, what's the problem with running ldd on a binary?
07:35.13sauvinpat|nG, I'm running debian lenny using KDE3, 100% from debian repos.
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07:36.39pat|nGdoes it have kde4 now?
07:36.48pat|nGactually i'm not that good
07:36.56pat|nGim still a fresh starter
07:37.05pat|nGneed to ask somethings tho
07:37.05pat|nGhehe
07:37.21eagles0513875pat|nG: thats what people are in here to help others :)
07:37.38castCutMeOwnThroat: some implementations [all?] will execute the binary [presumably only partially] in a special environment, but execute none the less
07:37.38bocaneriI don't know; I believe but can't swear that KDE4 may be available in testing; it's not in the usual repos for lenny, though.
07:37.48eagles0513875im an ubuntu user but using debian on a server due to xen virtualization support
07:38.03CutMeOwnThroatno, it's not in lenny and will never be
07:38.05eagles0513875bocaneri: wouldnt it be in the next release ? or not
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07:38.32bocanerieagles0513875, don't bet on it. Debian can be rather slow at times to adopt new software, and KDE4 is still pretty new.
07:38.53eagles0513875well i must say since im quite an avid kubuntu user its at a usable point right now 4.4
07:39.05bocaneriThe reason I stick with debian, though, in spite of the "ancient" software, is that it never gives me any trouble.
07:39.18eagles05138754.0 was a mess but now its in a usable state that i think upstream should adopt
07:39.29eagles0513875bocaneri: you try out kubuntu or ubuntu line
07:39.33bocaneriYea, I know. I think my kubuntu lappie is running 4.3. Not sure I like it, but it's not given me any grief yet either.
07:39.55eagles0513875bocaneri: lucid i think they are testing 4.4 and 4.4 is available for karmic in a ppa
07:40.24eagles0513875dont get me wrong debian is nice as well just becuase getting xen to work on karmic is from what i have been told a pita due to having grub2
07:41.22bocaneriI tried grub2 and killed it.
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07:42.10gnarfacehey people
07:42.44gnarfacemy mouse-button menus stopped working in sid when i updated just now
07:42.48gnarfacecan anyone help me?
07:43.03gnarfacei'm using e16
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07:51.11pat|nGdoes debian got gnome? i mean if i'll download debian is it a gnome desktop?
07:51.15pat|nGhehe
07:51.28jmarsden!tell gnarface about sid
07:51.34bluejeanshello #debian.. i just installed squeeze/testing to my pc and got an r8169 firmware error ( needed from non-free) i guess this is a known issue  but my problem now is that i can't get a net connection with ethernet.. is this due to said firmware?
07:51.56dondelelcarobluejeans: most likely, yes.
07:53.34pat|nGcan anyone give me a link where to download a stable debian with gnome?
07:53.38pat|nGthank you
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07:54.17streunerpat|nG: /msg dpkg netinstall
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07:54.52bluejeansok.. i'm searching for r8168-1.fw and r8168-2.fw but am not finding where to get it from... anyone that can tell me?
07:55.17streuner!listvals 8168
07:55.19dpkgFactoid search of '8168' by value (4): realtek ;; r8169 ;; rtl8168d ;; rfc1371.
07:55.38streunerdpkg, r8169
07:55.38dpkg[r8169] the RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in mainline kernels.  For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>.  linux-2.6 2.6.26-21 corrects several bugs relating to r8169, see <proposed-updates>.
07:55.39bluejeans(and yes, upon more reading it seem this is network related firmware
07:56.57bluejeansso..... ??
07:57.02streunerbluejeans: what does "cat /proc/version" say?
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07:58.23eagles0513875bocaneri: there is a way to get xen to work with grub 2
07:58.24streunerbluejeans: please read what the bot told you about
07:59.05bocaneriI couldn't get the damn thing working with a Windows Vista dual boot. It had to go.
07:59.45bluejeanslinux version two.6.thirtytwo-trunk-686 (debian two.6.thirtytwo-5) (my two key isn't working
08:00.18bluejeansstreuner: i did...
08:00.30streunerbluejeans: sid?
08:00.43bluejeanstesting
08:02.00streunerbluejeans: did you read /msg dpkg rtl8168d too?
08:04.20bluejeansyes. i get that the firware was not included in the .thirytwo release.. but my question is where can i get it from?
08:04.24eagles0513875bocaneri: i remember setting up duel boot u need to install vista first then ubuntu
08:07.09bocaneriOh, that's been known for years and years.
08:07.22bocaneriWorks fine with "legacy" grub.
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08:08.52pat|nGdoes amd64 same as i386?
08:09.20pat|nGi mean does it works for intelchipsets?
08:09.25pat|nGcoz some do
08:09.33pat|nGjust wanna be sure for debian distro
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08:17.34streunerbluejeans: Who make usually firmware, what do you think?
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08:18.36LinuxGuy2009Is there a way to run "ghb" which is handbrake-gui and show what other installed packages that it is depending on? This is in reference to my handbrake 0.9.4 deb package build. Im trying to find out what its deps are.
08:18.38pat|nGcan u help me?
08:18.46pat|nGhuhuhu
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08:20.12dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: apt-rdepends handbrake-gtk; or similar
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08:20.45LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: ill try that now. thanks
08:20.55dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: if you mean figuring out them for yourself, most of them should be shlib:Depends, which don't need to be dealt with specifically
08:21.13dondelelcaro(dpkg-shlibdeps should figure them out for you()
08:21.21bluejeansstreuner: sorry for seeming obtuse.. but i was basing my question on the installer which said i could get it from the non-free repos.. (which i am not finding)
08:21.43bluejeansstreuner: but very well.. realtek it is
08:22.05LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Ok ill try that as well then. thank you
08:22.19streunerbluejeans: hm, try /msg dpkg nonfree too
08:23.29LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: apt-rdepends command not found.
08:23.56streunerbluejeans: talking about your sources.list
08:24.47LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: dpkg-shlibdeps didnt work either on my compiled app.
08:24.54bluejeansstreuner: the bot just insulted me..... :P
08:25.04bluejeans(it doesn't know)
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08:26.46streunerbluejeans: can you paste your sources.list into paste.debian.net ?
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08:28.11bluejeansstreuner: no net connection remember? but i can tell you it only has squeeze main and squeeze/updates main
08:29.29streunerbluejeans: alter that for your needs - deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib
08:29.46dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: you need to innstall apt-rdepends, and dpkg-shlibdeps is part of the process of building a Debian package.
08:29.58dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: if it's not, you need to look at the output of ldd and install those specific packages
08:30.38LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: apt-rdepends is not in the repos I just checked synaptic
08:31.14dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: if it's not, you're not using Debian
08:31.28bluejeansstreuner:  i repeat for third time: i have NO net connection. -otherwise i wou;dn't have this problem. that i swhy i'm asking about to download so i can put it on a usb stick and transfer it over
08:32.07LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Ummm search for yourself http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.
08:32.13dondelelcarobluejeans: once you know the package name, you can download it using wget from any ftp mirror. Use apt-get --print-uris or similar if you don't know the paths
08:32.15LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Its not there
08:32.18dondelelcaro!info apt-rdepends
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08:32.48dpkgapt-rdepends: (Recursively lists package dependencies), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.0-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
08:32.50streunerbluejeans: or just use an "old" kernel
08:32.55dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: yes, it is. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=apt-rdepends
08:33.05dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: and see above.
08:33.33LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: you didnt say utils package hehe
08:33.47dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: ?
08:33.51dondelelcaroI said apt-rdepends
08:33.54dondelelcarothat's the name of the package
08:34.12dondelelcarowhich is (not coincidentally) the name of the command as well
08:34.21LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: no its not the name of the package. That packages doesnt exist.
08:34.33bluejeansdondelelcaro: apt can
08:34.37dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: uh... it's *definetly* the name of the package
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08:35.26bluejeansdondelelcaro: apt can't tell me the url if the repo isn't added and i can't add the repo cause i'm not online and and sync the lists... arg
08:35.30dondelelcaroapt-cache show apt-rdepends; rmadison apt-rdepends; or /msg dpkg apt-rdepends or similar
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08:36.27LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: God I can tell Ive been awake for far too long. Sorry I must go to bed Im losing my mind. Your right. Im sorry. hehe
08:37.23dondelelcarobluejeans: well, then if you know the name of the package it's http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/
08:37.40dondelelcaro(or whatever is clever)
08:38.20bluejeansdondelelcaro: THANK YOU.. this is what i've been asking for since....
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08:39.45LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: apt-rdepends says it cant find the package thats on my desktop that I pointed it to.
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08:41.37dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: it doesn't look at local packages.
08:42.01dondelelcaroI assumed originally that you were talking about handbrake-gtk, not whatever local package you built
08:42.08LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Well I have handbrake built here from source and I need to know the dependencies of it.
08:42.23dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: is there any reason why you're not using the Debian packages?
08:42.55dondelelcaroor rather, why you're not using the debian-multimedia packages?
08:43.03LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: handbrake isnt in the repos and there website doesnt have any built for debian.
08:43.13dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: yes, but debian-multimedia does
08:43.17dondelelcaro!tell LinuxGuy2009 -about d-m
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08:43.41LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Yeah the older one. I already have that. But like I said I built the newer one 0.9.4.
08:43.50dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: d-m has 0.9.4
08:44.04LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: for lenny?
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08:44.18dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: you can always backport it if it doesn't.
08:44.31dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: it has it for sid; I haven't bothered to check for lenny.
08:45.11LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: OMFG I just did backport it from source.
08:45.24dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: uh... that's not a backport.
08:45.47LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Well you either know where a Lenny package for it is or you dont.
08:45.56dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: you take the source package from d-m, and build it against lenny, and then install it.
08:46.03dondelelcaroit's pretty trivial
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08:46.28LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: I have the source directly from handbrake website which will be where debian multimedia got it from.
08:46.52dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: yes, but you don't have the d-m patches, which is what you need, and why you're having a hard time figuring out the dependencices
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08:47.02LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Still doesnt tell me what the install deps are.
08:47.12pat|nGdo i have to download all in debian? i seen dvd1.iso dvd2.iso dvd3.iso do i have to install it all? or just choose one?
08:47.32dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: yes, i twill.
08:47.38LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: How would patches for sid help with lenny?
08:47.43dondelelcaropat|nG: no, you only need the first dvd, and you don't even need that.
08:48.04dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: if you don't want to listen to me, I'm not going to bother further.
08:48.21LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Im listening, im just asking another question.
08:48.23dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: but you take the source package for sid, and compile it against lenny using fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; or similar
08:48.40pat|nGdondelelcaro: i don't need that? y? which one should i get?
08:48.44dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: it has nothing to do with patches for sid, it's a source package which happens to be available in the sid section of the lenny repository
08:48.53LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Source packages are release/distro independant.
08:48.54dondelelcaropat|nG: if you have a reasonable net connection, you just need the netinst disks
08:49.00dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: NO THEY ARE NOT.
08:49.12dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: they can be, but they do not *have* to be.
08:49.36pat|nGnope i don't have a good net connection
08:49.42LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: sid section of lenny? What are you talking about? Lenny is stable sid is broken.
08:49.48pat|nGneed to dl the full cd then right?
08:50.04streunerpat|nG: what is a bad net connection?
08:50.12LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: there not even simaler
08:50.23dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: no. again, you take the source package from sid, and build it against lenny.
08:50.26streunerpat|nG: i used sid via dialup...
08:50.43dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: it's called a backport. It's done all the time, and it's pretty trivial.
08:51.39dondelelcaropat|nG: well, it's a full cd, but it's only a part of one
08:51.48dondelelcaropat|nG: if you have dsl or a cable modem, it's more than good enough.
08:52.09dondelelcaropat|nG: any connection which you'd download the dvd or cd through is also more than good enough
08:52.27ranix!tell LinuxGuy2009 -about ssb
08:54.16LinuxGuy2009Would I be building from source if there wasnt a deb already made somewhere? Funny the answes you get when people are afraid to just say I dont know.
08:54.41dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: again, you're going to build from source.
08:54.57dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: perhaps it's not clear to you, but I know precisely what I'm talking about here.
08:54.59ranix!answer
08:54.59dpkganswer is, like, when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect.
08:55.27ranixLinuxGuy2009: what does "somewhere" mean? You are showing a clear lack of understanding
08:55.54ranixyou don't just install a deb from an unknown source
08:56.11ranixthat is a quick and easy way to wind up with your computer Ubuntu-ized
08:56.26ranixi.e. broken because you tried to install ubuntu packages accidentally (or not so accidentally)
08:56.32LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Ok I see where your going here. So the only way to backport is if a source package is made specifically for some branch of debian. Then you just build it on a different branch installation. That about right?
08:57.09dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: it doesn't matter what suite it was uploaded for; you can compile it on many others, sometimes without modification, sometimes with only minor modification.
08:57.17LinuxGuy2009ranix: The package source was me, I built it. Thick.
08:57.31LinuxGuy2009ranix: Who mentioned ubuntu?
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08:57.52ranixLinuxGuy2009: are you insulting me?
08:58.07valdynLinuxGuy2009: a source package is not really ever made to be restricted to one branch
08:58.28dondelelcarothey're called suites, by the way, not branches.
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08:58.40LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: But your main point was that the source package found there was modified for debian building correct?
08:58.46dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: yes.
08:58.51dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: which is why you want to use it
08:59.09dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: because otherwise you're going to have the problem which you're having now, where you have no clue what packages it depends on
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09:00.25LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Are you gonna be around for a bit while I download that 0.9.4 source code from the debian-multimedia testing branch and build it?
09:00.33dondelelcarowho knows?
09:00.53LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Ok well Ima build it right now and ill see how it goes.
09:01.27LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: BTW you have to have the patience of GOD! hehe
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09:02.12dondelelcaroLinuxGuy2009: you'll have better luck in the future if you assume that people who are telling you things actually know what they're talking about, btw.
09:02.27dondelelcaro(otherwise people will rather quickly stop bothering)
09:02.47jaggzI can't figure this out .. My computer can't see these Sata drives unless I hook them up externally to a sata->usb adaptor
09:02.56streuneror they have enough patience :-P
09:02.58jaggzthey were once installed in the system too..
09:03.05LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Yeah but usually there are more people who dont know what there talking about most of the time. hehe
09:03.05dondelelcarojaggz: do they show up in the bios?
09:03.08jaggzno
09:03.12ranixthat's bizarre
09:03.16dondelelcarojaggz: hrm... that's a really bad sign
09:03.20ranixdo you have that sata controller disabled in the bios?
09:03.25dondelelcarojaggz: bad cables? bad power? disabled controller?
09:03.30jaggzit's weird.. but I can access it fine through usb
09:03.39jaggzthe cables are working fine on my new drives
09:03.42ranixthe drive itself is probably not bad
09:03.59jaggzif I hook them up to the first two SATA controllers .. I think they are accessible
09:04.00dondelelcarojaggz: oh, so you take the cables off the new drives and plug them into the old drives?
09:04.10jaggzI've tried various cables
09:04.31dondelelcarojaggz: yeah, I plugging the drives into the same sata port as the new drives
09:04.33jaggzmaybe the motherboard Sata controller is going out on the 3 and 4
09:04.46dondelelcarobut yeah, it sounds like a hardware/bios issue to me
09:05.08LinuxGuy2009Ok its chugging away building
09:05.38jaggzin bios I tried with and without the promise (onboard) controller enabled
09:06.21jaggzwhat I did not experiment with today was the drives on the first two.. I did that before (because I was trying to recover the raid mirror).. but I ended up not recovering it that way
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09:07.37jaggzthe reason why was because the two old were 500GB, while the new are 640.  So I made a fresh new mirror of 640 and moved the partitions over to the 640 with dd (for ntfs) and gparted for the ext3 partitions
09:08.08jaggzI used dd for ntfs because gparted refused to copy it, seeing it needed a chkdsk :)
09:08.37ranixI am either too inebriated to understand, or what you're saying is too hard to follow
09:09.07ranixit's impossible to rule out any scenarios at this point in time
09:09.08jaggzand I couldn't boot it because the onboard grub was setup to use the dmraid /dev/mapper/pdc_xxxxxxx mirror device..
09:09.30jaggzand I couldn't update that because I didn't want to desync the two original drives by mounting one of them readable
09:09.43ranixthe onboard grub
09:10.48jaggzso my only question now (for myself) is .. when I got my 640GB mirror set up and working, did I use the onboard 3rd/4th sata connectors or did I use the external usb?  I think I had the same problem then, so I used usb
09:11.04jaggzso I think I cannot get those two sata connectors to work :(
09:11.30dondelelcarojaggz: yeah, probably should contact support for your motherboard, or play alot with the bios options
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09:11.44dondelelcaro(not much we can do to help you)
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09:12.04ranixif it was md raid, you may be able to replace the motherboard and rebuild
09:12.05dondelelcarodissapears
09:12.16LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: The way ive been building deb packages is ./configure, make, checkinstall -D. Is that still gonna be cool to do or not? checkinstall -D builds the deb package after the make process.
09:12.51jaggzokay.. thanks.. I'll do the later first of course.. I was reading the manual to find out if I was missing something but I couldn't find anything
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09:17.53erriettahi :)
09:18.00erriettaMy computer's in a pretty bad state
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09:18.23erriettaAnd uh, I think it kinda changed its name on its own
09:19.56erriettai mean like
09:20.03erriettauntil 5 minutes ago i could access it through debian.lan
09:20.18erriettaand without me touching anything i can now only access it through errietta-laptop.lan
09:20.22erriettawhich is my ubuntu's name
09:20.26erriettabut i've booted to debian
09:20.48erriettals
09:20.50errietta:/
09:20.58erriettai need to install that script that changes ls to /names
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09:24.24LinuxGuy2009dondelelcaro: Ok Im back to square one again. Still dont know what the dependencies are for this built handbrake 0.9.4 package. I guess you called it a backport. Synaptic has no clue what its deps are.
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09:24.52ranixLinuxGuy2009: did you follow the instructions in ssb
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09:25.43LinuxGuy2009ranix: No idea what ssb is.
09:25.57ranix!tell LinuxGuy2009 -about ssb
09:26.19ranixLinuxGuy2009: also you could check backports.org to see if someone has already done this for you
09:26.56erriettaHi
09:26.58erriettaHelo? :)
09:27.02erriettahelp*
09:27.28LinuxGuy2009ranix: Well im having no trouble installing it. I just wont know what packages to install on a clean system for it to actually work. Its already installed and running fine.
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09:27.47eagles0513875LinuxGuy2009: is that handbrake package or an older version of it in the repos?
09:28.24eagles0513875LinuxGuy2009: if its in the repos or an older version of it you can run apt-get build-dep handbrake to install any missing dependencies for it
09:28.27LinuxGuy2009eagles0513875: Not in the official repos no. 0.9.3 is in debian-multimedia for testing and sid.Not for lenny though.
09:28.44LinuxGuy2009eagles0513875: Sorry I mean 0.9.4 is in testing and sid.
09:29.08LinuxGuy2009eagles0513875: debian-multimedia only has 0.9.3 for lenny
09:29.09eagles0513875gotcha LinuxGuy2009 isnt there a list of packages on the debian site where u can then see all the necessary packages that you need installed?
09:29.30ranixLinuxGuy2009: searching packages.debian.org for the package will give you a list of dependencies
09:29.58eagles0513875LinuxGuy2009: in that case enable that repo with 0.9.3 then run apt-get build dep for the handbrake package granted its an older version it should resolve ur dependency issues
09:30.11LinuxGuy2009eagles0513875: Yes I can look and see whats needed for the package built for testing but how do I get that info into my package so a clean system will see it?
09:30.34eagles0513875ur wanting to install it right
09:30.41eagles0513875and ur going to be installing it from source?
09:30.41LinuxGuy2009ranix: handbrake is not found in packages.debian.org.
09:31.06macrobaterrietta: have you set a hostname?
09:31.18ranixtry dpkg -s package | grep ^Depends:
09:31.22erriettamacrobat: yes
09:31.25ranixwhere package is the thing you backported
09:31.28erriettamacrobat: THATS the least of my probs
09:31.37ranixwhere did you get the source for the backport if not from a debian repository?
09:31.46darkfunerali just want my leafs to inherit properties of the categories they are in, what XML front-end or hierarchical editor is there?
09:32.24TangentCollisionhey, what's a good program for managing wireless networks?
09:32.43ranixiwconfig
09:32.45macrobatTangentCollision: wicd
09:32.59TangentCollisionwicd an X program?
09:33.08LinuxGuy2009ranix: says package is not installed and no info is available. Got source from debian-multimedia testing branch. handbrake 0.9.4
09:33.08erriettamacrobat: i'm left w/o a gui
09:33.11erriettamacrobat: and i can't fix it
09:33.15erriettathanks to dependancy prolems
09:33.27LinuxGuy2009ranix: but it is installed and I can run it from the menu.
09:33.37TangentCollisionranix: iwconfig doesn't do wpa and I don't like wpa_upplicant all the time
09:34.09macrobatuse wicd-curses if you dont want gui
09:34.13LinuxGuy2009ranix: Is maybe my problem with using checkinstall -D to build the deb package after make is done?
09:34.50TangentCollisionmacrobat: is there a PRETTY wireless manager?
09:34.57TangentCollisionlike kde?
09:35.00macrobaterrietta: so, what did you do to break it? :)
09:35.28macrobatwicd is prettty as a pink unicorn in spring
09:35.39TangentCollisioncool
09:35.46erriettamacrobat: somebody here suggested i try to upgrade to testing
09:35.57macrobatoh
09:36.00erriettayeah
09:36.07erriettacan you help me get it back the way it was ;)
09:36.10TangentCollisionI've been using wpa_supplicant for over a year now :P
09:36.35LinuxGuy2009eagles0513875: BTW I already built the deb package.
09:37.33macrobaterrietta: you can try getting testing to work. you will have to reinstall if you want lenny
09:37.50TangentCollisionwicd doesn't show up in apt-get
09:37.56LinuxGuy2009I have the deb built using ./configure, make, checkinstall -D. Already had all build deps or otherwise I wouldnt have this finished deb package. I just need to know why synaptic has no clue of what its deps are.
09:38.14macrobatjudd is sleeping :(
09:38.15erriettamacrobat: ok, can you help me get testing to wokr
09:38.24LinuxGuy2009eagles0513875: install deps I should say.
09:38.35macrobaterrietta: what eactly have you done?
09:38.49erriettamacrobat: changed the repos and apt-get upgrade
09:38.58erriettamacrobat: it fails to remove the graphics driver and install the new one
09:39.02erriettamacrobat: so... it stops there
09:39.08macrobatnvidia?
09:39.12erriettano
09:39.13erriettaati
09:39.16macrobatoh
09:40.31macrobati donot know how ati works. so many complain about it
09:40.31TangentCollisioneeepc=win :)
09:41.02macrobaterrietta: anyway, aptitude is suppose to be better than apt-get
09:41.02errietta:)
09:41.08TangentCollisionright
09:41.14TangentCollisionforgot about aptitude
09:41.17erriettamacrobat: it brings dependancy probles
09:41.32macrobataptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade
09:42.27casti has two eees \m/
09:42.44castLinuxGuy2009: checkinstall problems?
09:42.46castducks
09:42.52macrobatso now you can eee while you eee
09:42.58erriettaok memem try
09:43.00erriettalemme*
09:43.15erriettabtw i have squeeze for everything except backports and vo.. something starting with vo.
09:43.19LinuxGuy2009cast: I have no idea. I have the deb built using ./configure, make, checkinstall -D. Already had all build deps or otherwise I wouldnt have this finished deb package. I just need to know why synaptic has no clue of what its install deps are.
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09:43.28TangentCollisioncast: I need a new one
09:43.35macrobaterrietta: you can comment out vo and bpo
09:43.41erriettao
09:43.46TangentCollisionmacrobat: I can't find wicd
09:43.52macrobatthose are for stable only
09:43.59erriettabut it's ok if i don't right?
09:44.01castTangentCollision: i just went from a 701 to a 1005HA, is pretty decent. though, need a sid kernel to get supported eth
09:44.22macrobaterrietta: its better if you comment them out
09:44.26erriettaok
09:44.28TangentCollisioncast: I was thinking over the newest models
09:44.49castSSD enabled?
09:45.00LinuxGuy2009cast: Do you think that using checkinstall -D is the source of the install deps being missing from any info the system has about the package?
09:45.13castunfortunately in my country they only, aside from the 701, have windows preinstalled on eees
09:45.28TangentCollisioncast: aafter dealing with ssd, I never want to see one ever again
09:45.43castLinuxGuy2009: NFI. you know of my knowledge of checkinstall
09:45.50castTangentCollision: oh, what happened?
09:46.13LinuxGuy2009cast: NFi what?
09:46.24castno fucking idea*
09:46.28TangentCollisioncast: I hate them, my sectors are dying
09:46.47castTangentCollision: hmm, curious. this an eee?
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09:47.05TangentCollisionthe volume shrunk 60 mb in the past 2 months
09:47.30TangentCollisionyes
09:47.34castbut no data loss?
09:47.36macrobatisn't intel x25 supposed to be good ssd?
09:47.43erriettahello?
09:47.45TangentCollisiondata loss is a yes
09:47.49LinuxGuy2009cast: No actually I dont know your knowledge of checkinstall. Is there something better I should use after make to get my deb package and actually have it contain info for the system to know the install deps?
09:48.08castLinuxGuy2009: wasn't i talking to you an hour or so ago
09:48.44LinuxGuy2009cast: Well if your telling me to go F myself thats fine or care to refresh my mind?
09:49.25castLinuxGuy2009: ahh, was 2 hours ago. at any rate, ignore me, continue on :)
09:49.43macrobaterrietta: is it working?
09:49.58erriettamacrobat: idk
09:50.04erriettastill trying to download stuf
09:50.17LinuxGuy2009cast: Yeah and pidgin doesnt scroll up that far. Do you prefer a different method?
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09:50.44castholy short term memory loss
09:51.01errietta:D
09:51.48LinuxGuy2009cast: Well Ive been up for 16 hours.
09:51.51macrobatgetting the ati driver to work is a later problem, it might be easier to just buy nvidia :)
09:52.11macrobatLinuxGuy2009: i thought checkinstall was considered harmful
09:52.19castLinuxGuy2009: thats uh, about average max per day for a person
09:53.18LinuxGuy2009cast: Ok well dont bother then.
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09:54.13pat|nGin debian is it gnome?
09:54.46craigevilLinuxGuy2009: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976
09:54.58macrobatpat|nG: debian have kde, xfce4, fluxbox, openbox, awesome, xmonad. take a pick
09:55.20macrobatand there's more
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10:00.19erriettauh
10:00.28erriettamacrobat: unable to migrade *some word idk* boot system
10:00.52erriettais that ok?
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10:01.36erriettamacrobat: "Current status: 6 broken, 904 updates"
10:01.50erriettamacrobat: x server still doesn't exist.
10:02.27erriettamacrobat: it didn't work x_x
10:03.12erriettamacrobat: i tried to install gnome manually and it says:
10:03.15erriettaerrors while processing: hal
10:03.54errietta:(((
10:04.05macrobatyes, doesnt look good
10:04.21erriettamacrobat: i can see that.
10:04.38erriettamacrobat: meanwhile, is there a way to copy/paste text in a command line interface?
10:04.51macrobat!pastebinit
10:04.51dpkgmethinks pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface.  To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit"
10:05.13macrobatbut you might have problems installing that
10:05.42erriettamacrobat: im not sure i can install packages
10:05.47erriettaoh i can
10:06.04pat|nGmacrobat: if i download the debian cd wat can i have on that? a gnome? how can i know it's gnome?
10:06.07erriettamacrobat: but, I don't want to copy a whole file
10:06.12erriettamacrobat: i want to copy like a few lines
10:06.18macrobatif you mean mouse select and paste, there is gpm
10:06.31erriettaoh
10:06.57erriettamacrobat: and how do I use that?
10:07.06erriettaoh
10:07.09erriettait failed installing
10:07.44errietta"At your own risk you can force... blah blah... do not try this unless you UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING!"
10:07.49erriettaI've no idea what i'm doing, can I try
10:08.08macrobatyou can redirect output to a file with > or >> to append. then edit the file and redirect it to stdin with <
10:08.13macrobatemh
10:08.35erriettauh
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10:08.41erriettamacrobat: can I use screen to copy and paste
10:08.43macrobatpat|nG: popcon knows whats on your cd
10:08.45erriettait has a copy mode but idk how to use it
10:09.21macrobatyes, its c -a ]  or C-a [
10:09.44errietta.
10:09.49erriettain english?
10:10.22macrobatControl + a    then ]     i think its enter to mark the beginning of the copy and enter to end it
10:11.37erriettaOh
10:11.38macrobatC-a [ to go to copy mode, then C-a ] to paste
10:11.39erriettathanks a lot :)
10:11.44erriettabrb
10:11.48TangentCollisionyay, screen
10:12.15macrobatscreen, almost as good as tmux :)
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10:12.38TangentCollision^C [ ^C ]
10:12.39ravenbirdTangentCollision: I haven't a clue.
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10:13.15TangentCollisionsorry, it's different shorthand
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10:13.31erriettahello
10:13.41erriettawhere';s the guy who was helping me xD
10:13.44macrobat^a, you mean?
10:13.45ravenbirdmacrobat: I don't know, could you explain it?
10:14.03macrobathewwo
10:14.11macrobat^
10:14.31macrobat!bots
10:14.32dpkgWe have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry.
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10:15.27rajeshsrhi
10:15.36erriettamacrobat: if i ssh into my server the ssh session dies after a while
10:15.43erriettamacrobat: i think it has something to do with my computer's names.
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10:15.51rajeshsri have got a wireless broadband. Debian is not detecting it a modem. It is detecting it as a mass storage.
10:15.57rajeshsrwhat am i to do?
10:16.11macrobatre
10:16.37castrajeshsr: google the model number of the modem
10:16.37rajeshsri google about it, but all is talking about waht to do when the dmesg shows that it is detected as a modem.
10:16.47rajeshsrcast, yeah i did!
10:17.05macrobaterrietta: there might be some timeout also. i dont know much about ssh
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10:17.15castrajeshsr: they tend to sell devices that are both modems and usb mass storage, theres a util to switch between the two states
10:17.36rajeshsrcast, yeah! i can get that! so how to do it?
10:18.20casti'd check if a newer kernel fixes it, too, i have such a modem and don't have to do the switching
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10:25.47pat|nG!popcon
10:25.47dpkgrumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank).  Install the popularity-contest package to participate.  See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/
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10:37.33WormFoodis there a package I need to install to give me tap/tun support? I can't seem to locate one...or do I need to load a kernel module? (searched and couldn't find anything obvious)
10:38.10asfdgno
10:38.14liableyes, you have to manually load the module usually
10:38.18asfdgmodprobe tun as root
10:38.39WormFoodwhat is the name of the module? # modprobe tun - FATAL: Module tun not found.
10:38.57WormFoodthat is what I first tried
10:39.02asfdgare you on a standard kernel?
10:39.08WormFoodI thought maybe I was overlooking something
10:39.09asfdgor your own?
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10:39.17WormFoodnot my own, but maybe what my host gives me
10:40.15WormFoodI think that is what the problem is asfdg...thanks...I'll ask my host
10:40.16asfdgls -l /lib/modules/2.6.*/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko
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10:40.39asfdgdoes the version match uname -a ?
10:40.46WormFoodyeah, not there
10:40.55WormFoodyeah, it matches
10:41.05asfdgbut it's not there.
10:41.47WormFoodright, not there....so my host must have given me a different kernel, that does not have tap/tun support...I will see about changing kernels
10:42.04WormFoodI had forgotten they maybe not compile it in
10:42.06asfdggrep CONFIG_TUN /boot/config-*
10:42.07asfdg?
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10:44.09WormFoodI'm told it is already compiled into my kernel (not a module)
10:44.29WormFoodyeah, no config file asfdg
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10:46.07WormFoodasfdg, I installed udev, and it created the right device nodes for me....I thought udev was installed by default
10:46.09asfdgls -l /dev/net/tun
10:46.15__klamath__anyone knows how to configure syslog ( ?? ) to don't display iptables packets ( dropped, rejected ... ) log on tty consolles ?
10:46.19WormFoodit is there now that I installed udev
10:46.27asfdgah
10:46.34WormFood__klamath__, I don't know how, but I'm 99% sure it is possible
10:46.44WormFoodthanks for your help asfdg
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10:47.30asfdg__klamath__: alter the loglevel that iptables is logging at, and modify your ls -l /etc/rsyslog.conf  file..
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10:47.40__klamath__WormFood: I found file rsyslog.conf but ..
10:47.43asfdg__klamath__: also you could try something like syslogng for funkey stuff.
10:47.49asfdgWormFood: yw :)
10:48.45__klamath__asfdg: I use guarddog, did not create rules myself
10:49.14asfdgshrugs
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10:49.39asfdg__klamath__: don't have a clue sorry.
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10:50.04__klamath__asfdg: I see in last rsyslog.conf lines :
10:50.06__klamath__daemon.*;mail.*;\ news.err;\ *.=debug;*.=info;\ *.=notice;*.=warn       |/dev/xconsole
10:50.26__klamath__have I got to comment them ?
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10:52.39asfdg__klamath__: yes, that should help :)
10:53.05asfdg__klamath__: then do an /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart
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10:53.42asfdg__klamath__: however it won't log other stuff to the console (which you may view as a good or bad thing).
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10:55.32rumpsyHey:)
10:55.36__klamath__asfdg: the problema is that if I switch to tty ( CTRL + ALT + F123456 ) while I'm typing, prompt fullfill of iptables output.
10:56.01__klamath__the better thing is to redirect in ssome way to a log file but not on tty
10:56.22rumpsyI installed mplayer but there there is no gui fof that, i need a gui for my mplayer what sholud i do
10:56.41rumpsyI installed mplayer but there is no gui for that, i need a gui for my mplayer what sholud i do
10:56.43__klamath__rumpsy: smplayer
10:57.01asfdg__klamath__: well modifying that line should leave it just outputting to /var/log/syslog or kern.log or something similar
10:57.27rumpsy__klamath__: okay i wil try
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10:58.57__klamath__asfdg: nothing, tried to comment, then /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart, but again iptables output on tty
10:59.18asfdghmm
10:59.38rumpsyI think that was for KDE
10:59.42rumpsyI need for gnome
11:00.07__klamath__rumpsy: I have gnome, not kde
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11:00.46rumpsyWhile installing that smplayer it said that, it will install qt
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11:01.33kcj1993Is there any way to undo the last set of updates applied? I added the xorg-edgers ppa and then updated and it messed up my system.  :(
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11:01.54kcj1993I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 32-bit
11:02.06LinuxGuy2009Ok im puzzled here. Im trying out "apt-get build-dep (anypackagenamehere) and it always spits out "Build-dependencies for xxxx could not be satisfied. Why is it doing that?
11:02.17rumpsykcj1993: you have to goto #ubuntu
11:02.18kcj1993and #ubuntu is not helping
11:02.21castkcj1993: so why would we care about your problems
11:03.06kcj1993cast, because ubuntu is debian based
11:03.30castkcj1993: wrong answer! the correct one is we don't give a shit
11:03.36asfdgkcj1993: install debian and it will fix your problems.
11:04.42eagles0513875!tell eagles0513875 iptables
11:05.04eagles0513875can someone get the bot to give me iptables documentation
11:05.05asfdg__klamath__: it really should work, if you've commented all the lines at the bottom of the file.
11:05.29asfdgeagles0513875: I personally find man iptables good enough for me.
11:05.49eagles0513875ok asfdg never worked with them before that is why im asking
11:05.53asfdgeagles0513875: you just need to understand the basics of ip networking, and how netfilter works.
11:05.53__klamath__asfdg: may be it is needed a restart ?
11:06.06eagles0513875asfdg: i do but not certain on how iptables works
11:06.14asfdgeagles0513875: ah, erm yeah it's not that simple :-/
11:06.20asfdg__klamath__: yes.
11:06.26asfdg__klamath__: defo
11:06.45__klamath__asfdg: ok, try reboot
11:06.48eagles0513875thats why i asked for the bot to link me to the right documentation
11:06.53asfdg__klamath__: no need to reboot
11:06.53WormFood!based on debian
11:06.53dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead.  Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
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11:07.53WormFood!ubuntu
11:07.53dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
11:08.06WormFoodthere you go kcj1993
11:08.29kcj1993...
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11:11.18WormFood!ubuntusmite  kcj1993
11:11.19dpkgtakes away all the CO2 in the air around kcj1993 and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!"
11:12.16asfdggiggles
11:12.31kcj1993@lart WormFood
11:12.43asfdgWormFood: if somebody doesn't understand by now, why would they understand something like that?
11:12.48kcj1993aww it doesn't work here
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11:14.38WormFoodexactly!
11:15.29jaggzwhy does debian keep really old packages around, like my thunderbird .. is that updated yet?
11:15.52asfdgjaggz: debian is a stable distribution.
11:15.53jaggzdebian stable gets really .. old.
11:16.16asfdgif you want something unstable, try 'testing', or some backports.
11:16.26asfdg!backports
11:16.27dpkgwell, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
11:16.39jaggzI guess it's kinda in harmony with my own tendencies to just stick with what I have.. but some things are really nice to get the newer features of, without resorting to complex measures
11:16.57asfdgjaggz: it gives you a stable target to work with.
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11:17.52jaggzyou're just speaking, jibberish!
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11:19.14asfdgjaggz: in stable, you just get bug/security fixes. you don't get package updates which can change the way things work.
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11:20.10macrobatunstable doesnt mean it breaks, it means it's amoving target
11:20.32craigeviljaggz:  even sid doesnt have thunderbird 3
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11:23.55jaggzthank you for explaining
11:24.16jaggztime to sthleep
11:24.21jaggz3:30am
11:25.53WormFoodjaggz, it is not too hard to compile your own packages for debian
11:26.01WormFoodthere are tutorials for it
11:26.12jaggzcheckinstall works for me :)
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11:26.24jaggzI have to go.. ttyl.. thanks wormfood
11:26.25WormFoodI need to compile a new version of....something, forget what it is now
11:26.33jaggzhm
11:26.38WormFood再见 jaggz have a good night
11:26.39jaggzffmpeg?
11:26.52rumpsyI switch back to xine
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11:28.20blinkizHi. I have my root in a lvm. Problem is that am dropped to initramfs shell each time and I have to type "lvm lvchange -ay pve", CTRL+D. Why ain't the logical volumes active at startup?
11:28.40blinkizeach time at boot, i mean..
11:29.32rumpsyi hate lvm
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11:30.12macrobatthey hate what they dont understand
11:31.08macrobatblinkiz: i think you have to fix your initrd. do you use grub2?
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11:31.20blinkizmacrobat, am using grub1
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11:31.45rumpsyya, i donno about that
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11:33.22macrobatunless they patched it, i dont think grub1 can boot lvm.
11:33.39macrobatyou have /boot outside lvm?
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11:34.44flowrHi. What's the difference between authorized_keys and the authorized_keys2 file?
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11:36.19macrobatflowr: try "file" on the files. or apt-file search (on their full path and name)
11:37.29buntfalke_If I install all those -dbg packages, will they use up /diskspace/ only, until a debugger is run? Or will they be loaded into /ram/ as well as soon as the application starts, wether I want to debug or not?
11:37.52buntfalke_As in, does it degrade performance by using up more ram? No, right?
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11:38.53flowrbuntfalke_ :P
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11:39.17Luserflowr, I think the first one was for ssh1, other one for ssh2. but ssh1 should not be used anymore for security reasons
11:39.40buntfalke_flowr: ?
11:41.19flowrbuntfalke_: just liked the guessing. But the filedata is know here, but the meaning of the filenames are different to ssh.. or was before ssh 3.0
11:41.24flowropenssh 3.0 *
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11:43.55cuscohello
11:44.17cuscoIm looking for somthing I heard it existed before... a url explaining it or so:
11:44.39cuscoseveral computers booting a standart linux image from one partition...
11:45.24cuscoand everytime we need changes to the image, only update one.. and make the partition go fetch the new image from the network
11:45.46buntfalkecusco: cfagent/cfengine/...
11:46.00cuscoI hear it was done with partimage
11:46.05buntfalkecusco: that's similar at least
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11:46.07cuscook let me google that up
11:46.29buntfalkecusco: it's not exactly the same, but it does the trick - and it works, we're using it for a whole cluster here
11:46.52cuscolet me read a bit
11:47.30buntfalkeand otherwise, i'd network-boot propably. though that uses more bandwidth in most cases...
11:47.49cuscowell 20 computers booting at the same time...
11:47.54cuscolots of network usage
11:48.06cuscowhere can I read about that setup buntfalke, please?
11:48.20cuscohttp://cfengine.com/pages/whatIsCfengine ?
11:48.30buntfalkegood question - i'm not administrating the cluster...
11:48.34cusco:/
11:48.59buntfalketype: /msg alis list *cfengine*
11:49.03buntfalkeand you'll see :-)
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12:37.11ShKoDrAnIHi everyone, i'm having some problems with the internt on my dual boot lenny + xp
12:37.30ShKoDrAnIused to work fine til few dayz ago
12:37.49ShKoDrAnIand still does on xp but when i boot on debian i can't surf
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12:39.12smharI have a friend who is looking for a mail server on debian similar to MS exchange that outlook can connect to. is there any?
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12:49.02ALoGeNohi every body!
12:50.17ALoGeNoim figthing with netinstall, is saying that needs a firmware file, (isl3886) i have the firmware but i dont know how to name the file or in wich folder i must to put in the usb or the floppy..
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12:51.16dpkgThe Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick.  See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html .  To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware
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12:52.42abrotmanfireware: Software that ignites your computer when the trial period has ended.
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12:57.11TangentCollisiondamn, what the hell browser can debian USE
12:57.26liablewaadya mean?
12:57.28TangentCollisionmidori doesn't exist, chromium comes up with some stupid game
12:57.37AimHerefirefox is renamed to iceweasel
12:57.43asfdgTangentCollision: chromium rocks.
12:57.45abrotmanso use iceweasel/epiphany/dillo/konqueror ?
12:57.52abrotmanasfdg: it's not in lenny
12:58.01TangentCollisionasfdg: you mean the game?
12:58.01asfdg:'( fail
12:58.02abrotmanTangentCollision: or get opera
12:58.06asfdgTangentCollision: yes!
12:58.11TangentCollisionis opera in aptitude?
12:58.19asfdgTangentCollision: opera.com
12:58.22AimHereopera certainly won't pass the dfsg
12:58.23abrotmanTangentCollision: you can make it be .. but not officially
12:58.24prince_jammysopera has its own repository
12:58.27liableno, its non-free
12:58.39TangentCollisiongod fffffff
12:58.47abrotmanit's more than non-free .. it doesn't allow redistribution IIRC
12:59.08liableand thus, not worthy
12:59.24TangentCollisionit's light and I use it on windows, I have no problems with opera
12:59.28prince_jammyssadly, it's a pretty good browser
12:59.36TangentCollisionI have a problem with not being able to use chromium
12:59.41abrotmanTangentCollision: if you install the .deb from opera.com, it will ask you to setup and apt source
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12:59.50asfdgTangentCollision: well install it then, like you would on windows.
12:59.59abrotmanTangentCollision: nothing is stopping you from installing chromium .. but it wasn't even released when lenny was
13:00.01TangentCollisionby using a web browser
13:00.02TangentCollisionoh wait
13:00.15AimHereTangentCollision, midori is in sid, so it'll probably filter down to stable eventually
13:00.25TangentCollisionsid?
13:00.36abrotmanAimHere: no, it won't
13:00.42liablei cant believe someone is complaining about a lack of browsers in linux..
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13:00.53AimHeresid == unstable
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13:00.58abrotmanAimHere: not as part of lenny anyway
13:01.11AimHereNo, not as lenny. I said 'stable' for a reason
13:01.24abrotman'filter' is probably the wrong term then
13:01.31TangentCollisionliable: I'm complaining that aptitude install chromium installs a game
13:01.37asfdgabrotman: erm, what, not even in squeeze+1?
13:02.03abrotmanasfdg: there is no 'squeeze+1' yet
13:02.03AimHereChromium the game was there first
13:02.06asfdgabrotman: 'yet'.
13:02.13liableTangentCollision: so check the package description before you install it..
13:02.28abrotmanasfdg: well, how can you complain about it not being in something that doesn't exdist
13:02.40AimHereDon't get excited over 'aptitude install gentoo' either
13:02.41asfdgabrotman: I'm not ;)
13:02.51asfdgabrotman: but I'm quite sure it will eventually :)
13:03.15abrotmanTangentCollision: there was (might still be) a bug to rename that package
13:04.15TangentCollisionliable: right, I'll make sure to do that with every "intuitive" package I install
13:04.29prince_jammysdo.
13:04.34TangentCollisionnext thing I know xorg with be a game too
13:04.46TangentCollisionso will hal
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13:05.25asfdgTangentCollision: how about we create a new website called google.com, which is a list of trolls? - oh wait, that domain is already taken.. oops.
13:05.45abrotmansome people whine an awful lot ..
13:06.03asfdgTangentCollision: people can't see into the future when some huge company choses a name which is already taken, thus you can't make them rename it.
13:06.03prince_jammysi have an idea for a package manager called pacman
13:06.04TangentCollisionasfdg: I'm making a complaint because chromium browser isn't in any default repositories
13:06.17TangentCollisionprince_jammys: I like that one, it's good
13:06.19asfdgTangentCollision: what in stable?
13:06.29TangentCollisionasfdg: sure, why not
13:06.36LinuxGuy2009Is there any commands to install all package recommends?
13:06.38abrotmanTangentCollision: perhaps Debian isn't for you ..
13:06.39asfdgerm, because it's stable.
13:06.45abrotman!tell LinuxGuy2009 about apt recommends
13:07.00TangentCollisionabrotman: I'd like to bend this system to my will
13:07.16TangentCollisionand it's small, don't see why I couldn't
13:07.17abrotmanwon't be Debian ..
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13:07.49asfdgTangentCollision: try joining #ubuntu, I believe they have a chromium ppa, perhaps that's what you want?
13:07.51LinuxGuy2009abrotman: Oh cool I didnt know Lenny was even installing all recomends by default. Nice. Thanks.
13:08.06abrotmanasfdg: that's not for Debian though
13:08.09TangentCollisionasfdg: ubuntu installs a bunch of bloaty crap
13:08.28asfdgabrotman: well TangentCollision clearly doesn't want to have a stable distro.
13:08.40asfdgabrotman: and isn't willing to install 3rd party software.
13:08.42abrotmanasfdg: and perhaps Debian isn't for him at all
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13:09.10asfdgabrotman: indeed, I think he really wants to install ubuntu, but doesn't realise it.
13:09.16TangentCollisionI want to install 3rd party software, I'm just wondering why it's so difficult to add it to a repository
13:09.25prince_jammysit isn't
13:09.28abrotmanasfdg: he just said he doesn't .. really, no one does, they just don't know any better yet
13:09.32asfdgvi /etc/apt/sources.list
13:09.48asfdgabrotman: hehe :)
13:10.55TangentCollisionasfdg: and what do I add to this list to make it get useful applications?
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13:11.16asfdgTangentCollision: add the repository with your application of choice in.
13:11.30LinuxGuy2009I installed the package "preload" does it set itself up to run at each boot or do I need to add that to /etc/rc.local script or what?
13:11.36TangentCollisionhow do I find out what repository that is in?
13:12.04abrotmanTangentCollision: it's not in Debian at all
13:12.19AimHereSame way you find out where any downloadable software is, on the net. Google, mostly.
13:12.22abrotmanTangentCollision: just adding random repositories will probably end up with a broken machine
13:12.46TangentCollisionthen how do I get a good web browser
13:12.58TangentCollisionplease, just tell me this
13:13.00abrotmanTangentCollision: such as some people in here that tell you to install ubuntu packages .. that could break your machine
13:13.12abrotmanTangentCollision: use iceweasel
13:13.27TangentCollisionabrotman: that's firefox, it's fat and slow
13:13.37abrotmanevery modern browser is .. get over it
13:13.40prince_jammystry opera.
13:13.45bkjoelynx
13:13.51prince_jammyswget
13:13.52asfdgI prefer links ;P
13:13.58asfdgor elinks.
13:14.08AimHereYou CAN install third party software, TangentCollision, but we're not going to lie to you and say that it's entirely risk free.
13:14.31AimHereit's the same with all operating systems, we're just more honest about it.
13:14.33TangentCollisionAimHere: is there a community repository?
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13:15.10abrotmanfor what?
13:15.23TangentCollisionnevermind
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13:16.00tensorpuddingcontrib sounds pretty community to me
13:16.14abrotmanuh ...
13:16.23AimHerecontrib? Ummm, no moreso than the rest of debian
13:16.52TangentCollisionwell, I appear to have contrib
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13:17.08abrotmanthat's not what contrib is
13:17.11AimHereContrib is just for packages that require unfree parts to function properly
13:17.24AimHereLike, for example, the DOOM engine, which generally wants unfree data files
13:17.46abrotmangenerally?
13:18.04AimHereI think someone has made a dfsg-compliant doom WAD
13:19.34AimHereThat means that the doom engine is now in main, but ISTR it was in contrib at one point
13:19.58TangentCollisiona rock is stable, but it doesn't look pretty or do anything special, it just... is...
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13:21.19tensorpuddingdebian does not update on a geological scale, slow as it may be
13:21.20abrotmanso, a ruby isn't pretty?
13:21.48TangentCollisionabrotman: it's pretty, but what does it do?
13:21.53gordonjcpabrotman: have you ever programmed in ruby?
13:22.04abrotmanTangentCollision: you're the one that said "it doesn't look pretty"
13:22.08gordonjcpTangentCollision: stick a mirror at either end, wrap a flash tube around it and you have a laser
13:22.16TangentCollision"or do anything special"
13:22.27TangentCollisiongordonjcp: yeah, but that's adding things
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13:23.47gordonjcpTangentCollision: so, what are you saying?  That everything should be purely functional, with no consideration for aesthetics?
13:24.09prince_jammysthe implication that debian stable can't "do anything special" is dubious.
13:24.11AimHereRuby isn't purely functional
13:24.14AimHereHaskell is though
13:24.29TangentCollisionanyone use kazehakase?
13:25.06abrotmanTangentCollision: it has two ways .. gecko and webkit, the webkit one is *crashy*
13:25.21gordonjcpAimHere: but Haskell is only really useful for tormenting Comp Sci undergrads
13:25.24abrotmanso, if you're going to use the gecko one, you might as well use IW
13:25.56TangentCollisionhow do I know which one I'm using?
13:26.03abrotmanTangentCollision: and when i say crashy, i mean typing a URL into the URL bar, and hitting enter would crash it
13:26.13abrotmanTangentCollision: dpkg -l kas*
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13:26.31abrotmanerm .. kaz*
13:27.08ZeZuHaskell is very usefull for grammar etc
13:27.16ZeZuand definitely tormenting
13:27.28tensorpudding"my language is better than your language"
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13:27.43abrotmanenglish wins!
13:27.57tensorpuddingwell, in this channel, i suppose so
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13:28.17abrotmanTangentCollision: and it's not crashy now, but still doesn't work
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13:41.33TangentCollisionI'm in too much pain for this, I'm sorry all, I'll be back and more pleasant next time after I get some opiates in my system to kill it
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13:51.10flowrwhat's the deal with host keys in ssh? all a hacker has to do to spoof a host key is to walk right into that host at the front door and retreive the key
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13:55.08ZeZuflowr,  you have any idea what your talking about ?
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13:56.30Luserflowr, usually their is a passphrase ;)
13:58.07ZeZuof course its still user authenticated,  the "key" is a ssl certificate
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14:03.22flowrZeZu: not really :P
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14:03.51flowrI was thinking about the fingerprint .. or so.. that appears when you log into a server for the first time
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14:06.16mutableHello. Does the IA64 (when downloading debian iso) refer only to Itanium processors? I have Core 2 Duo. Should I choose IA64 or x86 ?
14:07.32xkamd64
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14:09.15mutablexk: thank you, from google results it seems you're not joking
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14:09.43xkwhy would I? i'm running amd64 on a core duo
14:10.08tensorpuddingamd64 is what debian calls x86 with 64-bit extensions
14:10.10asfdgI'm running amd64 on an atom
14:10.10mutablexk: i didn't know amd64 is the same architecture
14:10.33asfdgia64 os the itanium architecture.
14:10.40asfdgs/os/is/
14:10.42xkmutable: the reason it's called amd64 is to give credit to who invented the idea of 64bit extensions.
14:10.54mutablei see
14:11.02tensorpuddingyeah, intel uses the same extensions that amd came up with
14:12.02tensorpuddingalso, amd64 is harder to confuse with x86 than x86_64 is
14:12.42Nielseni always liked the x64 idead
14:12.59tensorpuddingthat doesn't emphasize that it is still x86 compatible
14:13.14Nielseni was just typing words to that affect
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14:13.51zinxamd64 is the instruction set/architecture.  Intel has called it x86-64, intel-64, and em64t, because they don't like admitting that their competitor's 64-bit processor actually went somewhere, unlike their massive failure "ia64" :P
14:14.12Nielsenheh
14:14.16zinxtensorpudding: amd64 isn't, it just supports x86 as well
14:14.20tensorpuddingia64 is a totally new architecture
14:14.26abrotmannew?
14:14.30zinxtensorpudding: amd64 is too, it just supports the old one
14:14.32asfdgand intel call x86-32, ia32, just to confuse matters.
14:14.38tensorpuddingwell, totally incompatible
14:15.00tensorpuddingi thought amd64 was just the old architecture with more addressing space
14:15.13zinxtensorpudding: no, absolutely not.  it has a totally new instruction set / registers
14:15.28asfdgtensorpudding: I'd say it's getting quite old and dusty now.
14:15.38zinxtensorpudding: amd64 processor support 32-bit the same way that 32-bit x86 processors support 16-bit
14:15.41asfdgtensorpudding: (ia64).
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14:15.52zinxtensorpudding: though there are more changes instructionset-wise than there were from 16 to 32
14:16.15asfdgand registers
14:16.35tensorpuddingthere are all those little SSE* extensions too
14:16.57zinxtensorpudding: this is a new mode, where all the instructions are different, not just some
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14:17.14zinx(well, that's not entirely true - i think nop and ret are the same)
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14:20.10pulse00hi all. i'm trying to install svn 1.6 on lenny, using backports. when runnint aptitute -t lenny-backports install subversion, i get the following message: The following packages are BROKEN: libsqlite3-dev libsvn1. anyone knows what that means? are those packages installed on the machine and broken?
14:21.01pulse00the full output of the aptitude command is pasted here: http://pastie.org/792213
14:21.29pulse00when i go in with the installation, svn is not installed after it's complete (as the messages would imply)
14:22.22pulse00the libsvn1 package is not even installed on the machine, as i've removed the packages subversion and libsvn1 prior to adding the backport to the sources.list
14:25.01themillpulse00: why are you mixing lenny-backports and ubuntu?
14:25.50pulse00well, that is embarassing ;)
14:27.32abrotmannot the word i was going for
14:27.36xk:>
14:27.42jelly-homepulse00: you'll have to create your own backport instead of using binary packages from a completely different distro
14:27.47xandwell it *is* embarrassing...
14:28.47pulse00i was sure the VM image on the machine was debian ;)
14:29.37jelly-homeright, and all those mentions of hardy in sources.list while you were adding backports.org to the mix were for fun
14:29.40nsadminwell ubuntu did "forget" to deal with /etc/debian_version
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14:32.02nsadminpulse00 I'd say it's an honest mistake... so where do you want to take it from here?
14:32.14pulse00google i guess
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14:33.01nsadminoh, ok... another question... if you didn't know it wasn't debian, do you want debian on that machine?
14:33.55pulse00no, i'm fine with ubuntu. just need to install a newer svn version on that thing
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14:35.12nsadmin-maybe- it would work to try building the debian source for it into a package, but you might be better off building the ubuntu source if it's available
14:35.37nsadminbuilding packages should be easy in both dists
14:35.42pulse00got it working using this blog: http://growingventuresolutions.com/blog/installing-subversion-svn-1-6-ubuntu-8-04-lts-hardy
14:37.39abrotmantell #ubuntu ?
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14:49.14RuyanHi, how can i install mozilla SDK on debian lenny?
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15:20.29_abc_guys has anyone here got an epson printer going on debian with avasys pips drivers ?
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15:24.23RuyanHi, how can i install mozilla SDK on debian lenny?
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15:28.41abrotmanRuyan: xulrunner-dev ?
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15:30.34astartothhi all, I'm having problems mounting ntfs-3g volumes. I get:  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount /dev/sda2 for uid 1000 under dolphin. Any tips?
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15:33.29Ruyandon't know, i'm going to install it, maybe it what i need
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15:57.55_abc_astartoth: are you mounting as root ?
15:58.03_abc_hello has someone here gotten an epson stylus printer to work with a pips driver from avasys on linux ?
15:58.44silidanhi, im still using group 1.5 and then chainload into groub 2 because my winxp installation isnt listed in the groub 2 menue... is there a good tutorial out there that explains how to configure groub 2 so i can also boot winxp with groub 2 ?
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16:18.44rikvaI've compiled a customized Debian kernel from source, and added a driver. I also built the modules (make modules_install). The modules are present in /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/drivers. However mkinitramfs skips those drivers, and I need them in my initrd-image. Any suggestions?
16:20.34rikvaI checked using zcat <file> | cpio -i. They are simply not in the image.
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16:21.46ChrisWI all, this output puzzles me: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/169353/
16:21.59ChrisWhow can an empty folder consume 9Mb?
16:22.25Rusty1silidan: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html try that one
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16:22.45ChrisWI have another empty folder that reports its size as 45Mb, what gives?
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16:23.31themillChrisW: if you made lots and lots of files in that directory and then deleted them all, you'd get results like that.
16:23.54ChrisWthemill: indeed, that would be the case, how would I sort the problem out?
16:24.49themillChrisW: the only way I know of is to rmdir ; mkdir (and chmod, chown etc so that it ends up with the right modes)
16:25.10ChrisWthemill: hmm, that seems suboptimal... what's actually going on there?
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16:27.07themillChrisW: the filesystem has allocated space to the directory for the list of files that are in it. That allocation is not shrunk automagically.
16:28.50karmerikva: the image was update / you did update it?
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16:29.38rikvakarme: not sure what you mean, I ran: # mkinitramfs -o initrd <version>
16:29.49karmerikva: also take a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
16:29.56LuserN800rikva, or /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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16:31.48rikvaYes I checked initramfs.conf, it is properly configured. I will try update-initramfs, didn't know about that one
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16:42.55newsensewhat is the recommend way to load iptables rule files these days ?
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16:48.17Xenguynewsense: do you need a firewall, or ... ?
16:48.48newsenseXenguy: i got iptables setup but been loading it manually though i don't reboot much
16:49.09newsensebut if i need to reboot i would like my rules to be loaded incase i forget
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16:50.15Xenguynewsense: Gotcha.  I don't work with iptables directly (I use a script called shorewall) but someone else will likely know
16:51.28newsenseXenguy: found a doc on debian-administration.org just now, suggests running iptables-load < rules from /etc/network/if-ip.d
16:51.38newsensei will give that a shot sounds good to me
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17:03.32luffhahi guys...i think my server is hacked....i see many processes called r00tbot....how can i disable them?
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17:03.55JPTshutdown your machine, wipe your hdd and start from scratch Oo
17:04.05themillluffha: you pull the network cable, boot of a livecd to back up your data and then reinstall. /msg dpkg reinstall
17:04.08JPTkillall -9 r00tbot
17:04.17AimHereFirst off, find out from the logs how they got in, if you can, and make sure that doesn't happen again
17:04.44themillpull network cable comes before that though...
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17:29.12_abc_is ANYONE here operating an epson stylus printer under debian ?
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17:39.24paissaddo you know a tool like pastebinit but for images ?
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17:42.33abrotmanpicpaste
17:42.39Rusty1http://imageshack.us/  << paissad
17:42.48abrotmanpaissad: or you mean from the command line?
17:43.01paissadabrotman, yep, from the command line i meant
17:43.08abrotmannot that i know of
17:43.12AimHerelynx http://imageshack.us ?
17:44.14AimHereThere is a program called tucan in the repository, which demands gtk, but it's a python script, so if you're willing to get your hands mucky with actual code, you might be able to cannibalise that
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17:47.16icebrainhi, I have the iceweasel and the xul-ext-firebug package installed, but firebug doesn't show up in Iceweasel addons. I could have clicked "uninstall" unintentionally, but I thought it wasn't possible to remove addons installed globally?
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17:48.00icebrainsorry: clicked "uninstall" in Iceweasel Addons dialog, not in a package manager
17:48.40Rusty1http://www.unyttig.info/2009/05/02/python-imageshack-uploader-script/ << paissad
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17:50.43hornairsHey #debian could you please help me upgrade my kernel? I'm trying to dist-upgrade to get access to some new packages, the udev packages needs a newer kernel to operate so it fails to install each time. Is there a package in a repository somewhere that will upgrade the kernel or must I compile one myself? I'd like to avoid doing the latter because it takes more time and I'm connected over SSH and have no physical access to the server so I c
17:50.43hornairsboot the old kernel if the new one doesn't work.
17:51.10hornairsand if I must compile myself are there any lenny specific patches i must apply?
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17:51.37abrotmanhornairs: put the error in a pastebin
17:52.30TrueDDHi all
17:52.52hornairsabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/57531/
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17:53.09abrotmanhornairs: you're not running lenny ?
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17:53.46hornairshow do you know
17:53.50_abc_is someone running an epson stylus printer unter debian please ?
17:53.58hornairsi asked the datacenter sysops to install lenny
17:54.15abrotmanhornairs: apt-cache policy udev
17:54.49abrotmanjudd: i miss you!
17:55.02hornairsabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/57532/ thanks for the help
17:55.22abrotmanhornairs: see that 'testing' line? that's not lenny
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17:56.16hornairsabrotman: i mucked around with my sources because a bunch of stuff wasn't available. balls. can i paste it and you tell me how to enforce lenny?
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17:56.33abrotmanhornairs: have you installed other stuff from testing ?
17:56.42abrotmanhornairs: you cannot downgrade
17:57.01hornairsabrotman: i believe i need things from testing so thats alright
17:57.22abrotmanyou do?
17:57.31hornairstransmission
17:57.47abrotmanthat's a pretty dumb thing to run on a server (that now has no security support)
17:58.09hornairsare you familiar with murder
17:58.16hornairsits not for what you think
17:58.25hornairstwitter uses a bittorrent deploy system and i wanted to much around with it
17:59.00abrotmandoesn't matter .. it's still a server without security support
17:59.18hornairswhat do you suggest?
17:59.50abrotmandepends how much of your system you have upgraded
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18:00.17hornairshow can i show you that
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18:01.42hornairsi have free os reinstalls
18:01.45hornairsbut ive done a lot of stuff
18:01.46_abc_hornairs: i think that at this point the question would be, how much do you lose if the server is reinstalled for you with the right thing this time?
18:02.20_abc_also learn how to get the list of installed debs and how to run diffs between that of a fresh install and what you have now
18:02.30rooisto47can I use live helper from ubuntu to generate an
18:02.34_abc_it's late for that now but next time it will help
18:02.38rooisto47debian live usb
18:02.58hornairsi'll reinstall, point is clear. whoops. will you take a moment to explain the difference between stable testing and security and which are appropriate for what situation
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18:04.00abrotman!tell hornairs about releases
18:04.04abrotman!tell hornairs about testing security
18:04.36hornairscool thanks so much for the assistance
18:04.38cheakoHello, I have an mdns nsswitch question.  What's mdns_minimal do?  as in hosts:          files mdns_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns
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18:08.01abrotmanhornairs: what you really want to do is to create your own backport
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18:08.45\amethystcheako:  it says to try looking up .local addresses using MDNS (zeroconf/avahi)
18:09.28\amethystcheako:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_configuration_networking  has some more information
18:09.28hornairsabrotman: i would bet formatting and reinstalling will result in a more stable system and i only started working on it yesterday and i have my bash history so no worries ill just flatten it. am i wrong in thinking i need testing?
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18:11.41abrotmanhornairs: it's just a bad idea to mix lik ethat
18:12.26hornairsabrotman: what command can i issue to see what repositories a package is available in and at what versions?
18:12.50SQlvpapiranyone got rhytmplayer (or other gstreamer stuff) working with spdif?
18:12.54abrotmanhornairs: the easiest is packages.debian.org
18:13.11abrotmanhornairs: like packages.debian.org/transmission
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18:16.17newsensehornairs: apt-cache policy <package>
18:16.32hornairsabrotman, newsense: excellent thanks.
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18:18.27fbnHi, I have installed the packets roundcube and roundcube-mysql on Squeeze but it's not reading the required database. Is this a know issue or should I report a bug?
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18:18.42hornairsif i havent exhausted my welcome yet i'd also like to ask what more i can do to prevent anything bad happening to my box haha: i run ssh on a nonstandard port, disable root & password login, install fail2ban and denyhosts, and i was going to install shorewall or something similar. do you have any suggestions for user-friendly iptables frontends?
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18:19.58LuciusMarehi, can i set ssh so you need a password to connect to one user but password authentication is disabled on the second user?
18:20.58hornairsluciusMare: http://www.petefreitag.com/item/532.cfm. using an authentication mechanism called public-key you don't need a password to log in
18:21.23LuciusMareeh
18:21.32LuciusMarei know public keys system
18:22.09LuciusMarei just dont know how to make one user usable only with public keys while other still can be used with a password
18:22.44hornairsluciusMare: in the event no public keys are available for a user (what would be the case with the first user) it drops down to password authentication if the option is on in the config
18:23.06LuciusMarei know
18:23.13hornairsso just dont add any public keys for the first user and anyone logging in as them will have to use a password, and add keys for the second one
18:23.20LuciusMarewell
18:23.24hornairsand set their password to something outrageous
18:23.28LuciusMareyou dont understand me
18:23.34nooperLuciusMare: maybe something along these lines would work: http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2006/09/05/limiting-access-to-openssh-directives/
18:23.37noopernever used it myself
18:23.42nooperallows user specific configs
18:23.51oggeihi
18:23.55LuciusMarei just dont know how to make one user usable only with public keys while other still can be used with a password
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18:24.36LuciusMareso at first user - no public keys? drop. ; while on second: no public keys? okay,and what about the password?
18:24.57LuciusMarei dont know how to explain it better
18:25.12niklasweI have install xen, but i dont have the command xen-create-image.. does someone know the command
18:25.55oggeiniklaswe: install xen-tools
18:26.02\amethystLuciusMare:  you set the second user's password field in /etc/shadow to something like '!'
18:26.24\amethystLuciusMare:  or do you want that user to be accessible with a password via local login, just not ssh
18:26.27\amethyst?
18:26.35hornairshes gone
18:26.37\amethystdoh
18:26.49\amethystand I meant the first user
18:26.54\amethystoh well
18:27.40hornairswhat do you guys make of the backports repo?
18:28.25abrotmanbetter than mixing versions of debian
18:28.28niklasweoggei: i have install it, but maybe i forgott something in the config.. brb reboot
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18:29.37oggeiniklaswe: xen-create-image is a command, provided by xen-tools package, there is no (mis)configuration stuff for having such a file or not
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18:34.21NobleHow do I boot into a session without x running?
18:35.39_abc_init 2 or 3
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18:36.16Nobleahm
18:36.18Noblehere I am again.
18:36.39NobleWell, grub does not make a recovery option to boot into. How do I make that?
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18:37.18fbnanyone installed roundcube as deb? it does not create the database on my system ...
18:38.25LuserN800Noble, add init=/bin/sh at the end of the kernel line?
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18:38.57LuserN800or simply add
18:38.58LuserN8001
18:40.11NobleLuserN800: Meh, how do I do that in the new ubuntu grub? Why cant they just keep editing grub the way they always did.
18:40.47LuserN800Noble, e ?
18:40.54Nobleah
18:40.54Nobleright
18:40.55Noblecool
18:41.12NobleShould I remove something to not start x?
18:41.53abrotman!tell Noble about nodm
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18:45.36do0obis there a way to echo a number into /proc or /sys somewhere to make the rtc alarm wake the system at the time the number being the decimal representation of unix time?
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18:48.26asfdgdo0ob: check out cat /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm
18:48.44asfdghttp://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup
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18:50.08oggeiNoble: see /etc/default/grub
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18:53.00_abc_asfdg: HEH i wrote a patch for that, didn't know about the call. face@palm
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18:54.14silidanwhen i made changes to /boot/grub/menue.lst what command should i run? update-grub?
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18:54.39dvssilidan: yes
18:55.09_abc_dvs: is it not built into the shutdown script?
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18:55.27_abc_i think i never had to run update-grub
18:55.45dvs_abc_: Not for me.  I don't see it being updated on shutdown.
18:55.56silidanami i correct that there is no man page for menu.lst?
18:56.09_abc_strange. i think grub does it by itself, unlike lilo
18:56.19_abc_silidan: there is
18:56.38_abc_info grub
18:56.41silidanwell it tells me no man page ound
18:57.17_abc_silidan: type info grub in a terminal and then go to Configuration
18:57.30silidanyea ok... but i said thereis no man page :9
18:57.46_abc_ok there is an *info* page. nitpick
18:57.50silidani didnt know about the info command tough... so thanks
18:58.06_abc_silidan: there is a web and gui interface to that too
18:58.08_abc_anyone
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18:59.11silidanok gonna test grub now :) see ya
18:59.15macrobatsilidan: dont change the debian automagical stuff.
18:59.23silidanautomagical?
18:59.30silidanwhats that and where can i find it?
18:59.33macrobatupdate-grub will overwrite it
18:59.46macrobatit says so in your menu.lst
19:00.17macrobatyou change the stuff thats commented out with one "#"
19:00.35macrobatthats what update-grub reads
19:01.08macrobatgrub reads the uncommented stuff and nothing reads the "##" lines :)(
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19:01.18silidano so does that mean that my changes to menu.lst wont take effect?
19:01.23macrobatyes
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19:01.49silidano damn.... and how am i supposed to manually add a boot entry then?
19:01.49macrobatyou can put your own special stuff after the uatomagic list
19:02.09silidanok but still in the menu.ls?
19:02.13silidant
19:02.14macrobatyes
19:02.14dvssilidan: it tells you in the comments
19:02.30dvsI think it's called kopt
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19:02.49macrobatthere is "os-prober" that can add other installs
19:02.50asfdg_abc_: neither did I until I asked google ;)
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19:04.28macrobatjudd is off :( is os-prober in lenny?
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19:07.39airtonarantesHello, I need to give some root-commands permissions to the people in a department, such as: ifconfig. Is there any way to do that?
19:07.55AimHeresudo is the program for you
19:07.58do0obasfdg: thanks, thats what i was looking for
19:08.08AimHereParticularly when coupled with some editing of the /etc/sudoers file
19:08.27AimHeresudoers has its own man page, as well as sudo
19:08.45airtonarantesAimHere, ok, I'll check it out
19:08.51do0obAimHere: why is ifconfig even in /sbin?
19:09.03do0obi can run /sbin/ifconfig and look at the output
19:09.13asfdgbecause that's where it belongs
19:09.14AimHereBecause you don't want some end user switching off your network?
19:09.24do0obwell they can't
19:09.28do0objust look at the output
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19:09.42asfdgsbin is for root system calls primarly
19:09.50AimHere'netstat -i -e' is the non-root command that looks at the output
19:09.51asfdgs/calls/tools/
19:09.55pkkmhow to install cpan?
19:10.36asfdgit's already installed isn't it?
19:11.47_abc_pkkm: the same way you download the internet, only it's faster
19:12.33asfdg_abc_: how do I put the intrawebs onto my desktop?
19:12.43_abc_:D
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19:13.09AimHerewget http://255.255.255.255/*
19:13.34asfdgConnecting to 255.255.255.255:80... failed: Permission denied.
19:13.43AimHereYou can't have the internet. Not yours.
19:13.49asfdg:'(
19:13.50_abc_AimHere: it's wget -r ...
19:14.05_abc_AimHere: tell that to google
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19:15.23pkkmhow to update cpan without using cpan?
19:15.43AimHereThe cpan that can be updated without cpan is not the true cpan
19:16.44asfdgpkkm: if you're being serious rather than taking the piss, perhaps you should try #perl ?
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19:17.56pkkmOK
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19:26.55_abc_AimHere: the cpan that can be updated without cpan will have been the true cpan one microssecond after it will have been downloaded
19:27.33_abc_wonders if he got the tense(s) right in that phrase
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19:36.58sepultwth
19:37.13sepultirssi tells me i'm banned and erc just can join the channel
19:37.24abrotmanare you registed and identified to nickserv ?
19:38.06sepultjep
19:38.51sepultnevermind, i'm just moving data around at this time, or have done it, and recovery and reinstallation, some things have changed i think
19:42.38simonrvnnevermore
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20:19.09_abc_simonrvn: poe on you
20:19.53_abc_lol i just installed gutenprint from sourceforge and the print quality is better than on winslow!
20:19.58_abc_epson stylus printer
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20:20.04_abc_it figures ...
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20:20.59_abc_oh, and the windows drivers do not let me print without borders on plain paper ... linux does ...
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20:21.30_abc_this is on acient debian etch and i compiled gutenprint from source ...
20:22.00dvs_abc_: no more security updates for etch
20:22.25_abc_dvs: heh i need to upgrade and have been telling myself to do it for ages now
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20:30.55macrobatabout upgrading. how can i help testing release-critical bugs? is there a system for that?
20:38.26sepultwhat is that bug, which makes the block's count go up and up until the system tells me the disk is full, though it is not ?
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20:40.57_abc_sepult: ?!
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20:41.12sepultis there a block resizing app somewhere in debian ?
20:41.19abrotmanmacrobat: you can make your own
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20:41.29_abc_heh
20:41.36_abc_sepult: man e2fstune
20:41.51simonrvntune2fs
20:41.58sepultheh
20:42.02_abc_er yes and reiserfstune
20:42.09sepulthow is tune2fs gonna help me ?
20:42.21_abc_-.-
20:42.32sepultdoes setting the block size with it affect anything ?
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20:43.56_abc_sepult: you can't set the block size after the fact, you can back up all and regenerate the fs with smaller (larger) block size as needed
20:44.05_abc_sou can also set the sparse flag and see if it helps
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20:44.45_abc_has debian given up on reiserfs? what is the default fs on lenny and higher?
20:44.46sepult_abc_: i've done that already, but upon copying the data back the blocksizes would remain like in the original
20:45.43sepultso 4096 copied back on a 1024 blocksize fs will be 4096, but i don't know what happens to the inode count
20:46.08_abc_sepult: the block size of the fs affects the average size of unused space consumed by each file (== 1/2 of block size), and the number of blocks needed to store the given amount of data (you have more free blocks with larger blocks)
20:46.32_abc_so you have to compromise between many small files and few huge ones
20:46.33sepult100% used blocks, but only 30% of inodes allocated, how can that be ?
20:46.56sepultwhat is the normal block to inode ratio of ext2 or ext3 ?
20:47.06_abc_the inodes mostly count how many files you have
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20:48.53castsepult: read up on inode based file systems on wikipedia
20:49.08sepulti think blocksize 1024 is the best together with inode size 1024
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20:49.34garetjaxwhich is the best alternative to cd booting to install debian on a mac mini?
20:49.38sepultbut that does not mean the same happens not with it too
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20:51.20abrotmangaretjax: probably the usb installer
20:51.55garetjaxgoogling
20:52.04abrotman!tell garetjax about usb install
20:53.35garetjaxabrotman: thanks
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21:00.07Danielss89hi.. i run a php file from crontab -e, now, if i want to include a file inside the php file, and use include(path), what path should i use? if its the same folder as the php file is it then just the filename or is it compared to where the crontab is run from?
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21:02.30topi`hello. any Macbook users here? I have great trouble booting the kernel on my Macbook6,1 since all the kernels I've compiled, tend to have problems with the keyboard (does not work)
21:02.40abrotmanwhy not use the Debian kernel ?
21:02.58topi`does the Debian kernel come compiled with CONFIG_EFI, CONFIG_EFIVARS etc.?
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21:04.07rdzhi all. is there a way to retrieve options with which a certain kernel module was loaded?
21:04.07abrotmanin lenny? squeeze? sid?
21:04.07topi`iirc they only very recently got it to work so that you can compile a generic kernel and it will automagically know if it has to work with EFI
21:04.15abrotmantopi`: which version of debian ?
21:04.23topi`rdz: look at your modprobe config in /etc ?
21:04.33topi`abrotman: I've always been a sid user :)
21:04.36DevastatorI've configured dnsmasq to provide dns and dhcp for 4 subnets, what's the proper way to set dns server for one subnet?
21:04.45Devastatorlike..
21:04.45abrotmanrdz: some of the modules put it in .. uh ..
21:04.59topi`anyway, it's disappointing that I can't find any macbook users anywhere :(
21:04.59abrotmantopi`: in the i386 i have here, both options are enabled
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21:05.13topi`abrotman: ok, then I'll try to see if it boots
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21:05.31abrotmanDevastator: that would depend on your dhcp server
21:05.34Devastatordhcp-range=interface,range-start,range-finish,dns-server1(?),dns-server2(?),lease-time?
21:06.07Devastatorabrotman dnsmasq is the dhcp server, right?
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21:06.51abrotmanrdz: i've seen it ..
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21:07.01topi`abrotman: do you mean the linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 or some other kernel img?
21:07.06abrotmanDevastator: it's your network, i have no idea what dhcp server you're using
21:07.16abrotmantopi`: well, linux-image-amd64 might be a better idea
21:07.26topi`why? what does that 'trunk' mean?
21:07.51abrotmanrdz: look in /sys/module/ .. some of them have a file in there that has the options used
21:08.05abrotmantopi`: the metapackage is probably a better thing to use
21:08.18topi`ok
21:08.21Devastatorabrotman yes, I'm using dnsmasq..
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21:17.45acidchildanyone know why tightvncserver on debian using gnome is messing up my keymap?
21:18.11acidchild40% or so of the letters work, but 'u' is 'm' for example
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21:18.26unitypunkhey
21:18.46unitypunkit seems like every drive i plug into this computer has I/O error.
21:18.54unitypunkcould it be the computer itself?
21:19.12sepultno
21:19.22unitypunkthen how come it keeps happening.
21:19.29unitypunkcrappy drives?
21:19.35sepultit's a driver issue i think
21:19.46acidchildseens to be a gnome thing, fluxbox works fine haha
21:19.47sepultit can't happen with every drive
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21:19.53nikeHi, I am looking for a way to scan the cheksums of my drives in my mdadm RAID-5 array to see if thieir data is okay and matches the array.  mdadm currently thinks one drive is a spare and one is a faulty spare.  2 drives removed of 6 total.
21:19.54unitypunkit does.
21:20.05unitypunkevery drive i connect externaly to that pc.
21:20.07nikeI believe that at least one of those 2 drives has the proper RAID-5 data on it though.  How can I check this with checksumming without writing to any of the disks for fear of further data
21:20.15nikeloss?
21:20.29nikeI believe that at least one of those 2 drives has the proper RAID-5 data on it though.  How can I check this with checksumming without writing to any of the disks for fear of further data
21:20.29unitypunkcuz i have it running my webserver/ftp/samba shares.
21:20.33nikeoops
21:20.36nikeI believe that at least one of those 2 drives has the proper RAID-5 data on it though.  How can I check this with checksumming without writing to any of the disks for fear of further data
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21:20.52unitypunkabout twice a week i have to unmount it with magic powers.
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21:21.05unitypunkcause it gets I/O problems
21:21.15unitypunkand this time i cant unmount it, says its busy.
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21:21.34sepulti get i/o problems with my cdrom device for example as soon as i load sr_mod
21:21.40sepulton top of ide-cd
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21:22.03unitypunkhow can i fix the problem?
21:22.06sepultor even vice versa
21:23.09sepultand enabling the same udma modes as specified as drive default or bios default through hdparm will also give me errors
21:24.23unitypunki am not as l337 as you.
21:24.35unitypunki havent ever done any of that stuff.
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21:25.05luminosohello. how do i print unix time using date?
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21:26.29karmeluminoso: man date (search for seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC)
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21:26.41sepulti did a fsck -f -c -c -k -E fragcheck -D -v /dev/bla on my drive in the hope for getting it fix the issue with full block count but no go, the block count is 100% as before, i just see that there are blocks which are indexed more than one or twice times (dind/tind blocks)
21:27.08rdzabrotman, many thanks
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21:27.42sepulteven a zerofree -v /dev/bla has no effect so far
21:27.51luminosokarme, thank you
21:27.58sepultmaybe use blktool ??
21:28.25sepultor resize2fs ?
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21:28.31sepulturgh
21:29.05topi`abrotman: nope, the same issue with the stock debian kernel. I get dropped to the initramfs prompt but it does not take keyboard input.
21:29.22abrotmantopi`: why is it dropping you to the initramfs to begin with ?
21:29.30sepultor is there a definitive lack of some specific app in debian ? regarding that issue
21:29.35topi`abrotman: because I haven't given it any valid root=xxx argument
21:29.51unitypunkhow can i unmount a drive that is busy?
21:29.53topi`anyway, the keyboard ought to work in initramfs
21:30.04abrotmantopi`: sounds like your grub is messed up, not the keyboard issue
21:30.40_abc_so, again, is reiser now dropped from debian ?
21:30.50_abc_reiserfs, reiserfstools etc
21:31.08topi`abrotman: it might be. I compiled it myself, I'll try to check the compilation options
21:31.48sepultwhat is pdflush for ?
21:31.51abrotman_abc_: no, why would you think that ?
21:31.56abrotmansepult: it has a man page
21:32.00sepultreally ?
21:32.02sepultoh cool
21:32.21topi`I still think of this as an APIC problem.
21:32.28_abc_abrotman: well because Reiser is in jail and i saw that the new release installs go for ext3 by default
21:32.49topi`maybe I should try apic=debug
21:32.55_abc_i am running root on reiser right now
21:32.58abrotman_abc_: uhm, Debian never defaulted to reiser
21:33.10abrotmanit's always been an option, but never the default
21:33.12_abc_hmm i somehow ended up with root on reiser anyway
21:33.18_abc_years ago
21:33.18abrotmanyou chose it
21:33.23_abc_likely
21:34.06_abc_ok i am turning in for tonight
21:34.08_abc_bye
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21:40.04sepultwhen /usr and /var are on another partition and i have a symlink to the corresp. dirs in the other partition, and the other partition is in the fstab mounted somewhere, is there anything wrong ?
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21:40.43sepultor should the dirs also be bind mounted or rather be bind mounted ?
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21:44.28garetjaxabrotman: I followed the instuctions you given but the mac doesn't startup. Should the method work with the MBR on Intel's macmini too? DiskUtility says the disk has to have a GUID partition table to startup intel macs.
21:44.48abrotmangaretjax: i'd assume so ..
21:45.00abrotman!macmini
21:45.00dpkgThe Mac Mini is a small desktop computer produced by Apple Inc.  Contains either a PowerPC G4, Intel Core or Intel Core 2 CPU depending on the model.  http://wiki.debian.org/MacMini , http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel , http://www.sowerbutts.com/linux-mac-mini/ .  For PowerPC G4 models, see also <debianppc>.
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21:50.28topi`is there anyone working on getting solid support for EFI booting into debian so that we could finally get over with the issues of GPT/MBR sync and all that shit? Macs make for a nice base to get rid of legacy BIOS shit from the 70s
21:50.55topi`and it's very confusing for the novices since they do not understand that GPT partitioning has to be kept in sync with MBR and vice versa
21:51.31topi`so, ideally, after a Debian install, you'd get a legacy GRUB booting the machine on a legacy PC and a EFI GRUB on an EFI machine
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21:51.45abrotmanask #grub?
21:52.13petemctopi`: just use refit
21:52.33topi`I think this is a Debian issue, to modify the Debian installer in such a way that it knows what kind of GRUB installation is needed.
21:52.47topi`petemc: refit isn't even needed, if the GRUB-EFI install is done correctly!
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22:01.21topi`I still try to find someone else with a new Macbook and enough zeal to get the damn EFI booting working...
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22:03.03petemci have a macbook, i lack zeal tho
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22:03.59gyyrogI need grep to search for a string and then return the next line
22:04.03gyyroghow would I do that?
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22:07.08acidchildhello, i'm having issues with VirtualBox since i used lenny back ports to upgrade to enable bridging support. here is a screen shot https://septic.ziwall.net/~ash/vbox-issue.jpg
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22:07.15acidchildi do have vboxdrv loaded.
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22:08.47acidchildi'm running debian lenny 5.0.3
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22:10.46jelly-hmegyyrog: man grep, read about -A
22:11.13acidchild*rebuilds kernel module from source* maybe this will help ^_^
22:12.06topi`petemc: do you use grub-efi or the legacy grub for linux loading?
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22:12.52evilgeekwhy does my debian system always choose an ugly font for the console and how do i fix this?
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22:13.12petemctopi`: i use osx on my macbook
22:13.15evilgeekideally, i'd have it just not touch the console font unless i ask it to, but i can't figure out which script or package keeps doing this.
22:13.27acidchildyay \m/ worked.
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22:16.55MattCampbellWhen creating a Debian system image by running debootstrap and then installing more packages inside a chroot, is there a way to prevent init scripts inside the chroot from running on the build box?
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22:18.21bododoI switched from lenny to sid, but Xorg isn't working anymore. When I look at the log it talks about ioctl failed loading device?
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22:19.11tensorpuddingsid is not an upgrade, things break
22:19.37topi`MattCampbell: just chroot with /bin/sh to the debootstrapped root system and then manually run apt-get from there
22:19.57topi`of course, you should bind mount /proc and /dev ... mount -obind /proc /mnt/proc
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22:21.24MattCampbelltopi`: OK, I wasn't clear.  Yes, I'm doing all that.  But the problem is that if I install a package such as openssh-server inside the chroot, the init script for that package runs inside the chroot on the build box.  Ideally the init script shouldn't run until a machine is booted from the image for the first time.
22:21.49MattCampbellHow does debian-installer handle that?
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22:23.06topi`MattCampbell: if I were in your situation, I'd put openssh-server and a bunch of other, absolutely necessary pkgs on the debootstrap command line... debootstrap foo bar --include udev,openssh-server
22:23.47topi`oops, --include=foo rather
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22:27.06pseubodotIf I generally do new installs via the netinst image, and usually use one particular debian mirror for packages, would it make sense to use squid for package caching?
22:28.03pseubodotI've used apt-proxy with success, but I want to be able to have the machine install from the actual debian mirror if I remove it from the inside network (eg. laptop)
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22:28.06Armageddonpseubodot: do you have a network on which you install debian all over ?
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22:29.21pseubodotArmageddon: most of these are one-off machines that I install in a protected network area
22:29.33pseubodotArmageddon: and then they go out to their actual locations.
22:30.11pseubodotArmageddon: proxying is nice because it really speeds up the install
22:30.13Armageddonwell you will save a lot of time and bandwidth with a caching server
22:30.20pseubodotArmageddon: absolutely
22:30.40pseubodotArmageddon: but if I don't then change the sources.list afterwards, I get Very Unhappy People.
22:31.47Armageddonwhat do you mean ?
22:31.48pseubodotArmageddon: I'm just trying to figure out if there is a way to make sure that I can get the benefit of the proxy for the install, but then make sure that the newly installed machine can later install packages outside of my network
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22:32.27pseubodotArmageddon: The machines I install don't stay internal, they go all over, so they can't make use of the proxy
22:32.35abrotmanpseubodot: approx
22:32.44pseubodotOoo.
22:32.46pseubodotlooks
22:32.48Armageddonpseubodot: I don't know if what I will say is true but that's what I think from my humble knowledge
22:33.06abrotmanpseubodot: oh wait .. didn't read it all
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22:33.11Armageddonif you create a caching server and connect the new pcs on which you want to install stuff on connected to that
22:33.24Armageddonyou can put the source.list you want in there and just connect it normally
22:33.31Armageddonand caching will probably work
22:33.48pseubodotabrotman: no, I think that's workable -- thanks for the poitner
22:33.52abrotmanpseubodot: though you could use approx from the remote network also
22:34.09abrotmanpseubodot: and FWIW, you can use it for ubuntu also (with the same config/machine as Debian)O
22:34.19pseubodotI won't have control of the boxes aftewards, and my 'installer' is a fairly mobile machine
22:34.21abrotmanif that'd be a bonus for you
22:34.37pseubodotabrotman: sweet
22:34.52pseubodotArmageddon / abrotman: many thanks
22:35.20Armageddonyour welcome pseubodot
22:36.22Armageddonabrotman: is there a way to download updates on a non-linux OS and then get them and dpkg ?
22:36.34Armageddonjust a theoretical question
22:36.53abrotman!apt-zip
22:36.53dpkgUpdate a non-networked computer using apt and removable media.  Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.  http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
22:37.17abrotmanwell, that implies you have apt available
22:37.26nooper!apt-walkabout
22:37.26dpkghmm... apt-walkabout is another tool for managing the distribution and upgrade of debian packages for non-connected or low-speed links computers.  See http://quozl.netrek.org/apt-walkabout/  Also ask me about <apt-zip> <apt offline>
22:38.11Armageddonwhat also
22:38.18Armageddonthat*
22:38.41acidchildhello, my network device is showing up as eth3 because i've been playing around, how do i make it load as eth0? something has filled out eth0-1-2 but i only have one netcard.
22:39.10acidchildudev rules um! maybe.
22:39.19dutchfish!z25
22:39.19dpkgudev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch).  If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file.  To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module.  See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
22:39.41acidchildehehe i grep -R and found it :-)
22:40.13nooperlesson: dont answer questions
22:40.42acidchildnooper: does the question come with candy?
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22:46.58Armageddonback on Ubuntu, when I used to click on a hard drive in Computer it used to mount and open, on Ubuntu it says I dont have the right permission, how can I fix that ?
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22:48.11mjmtArmageddon: Need the "user" mount option, or to remove "nouser", in /etc/fstab.
22:48.41ArmageddonI believe the first one is more secure right ?
22:48.58mjmtHuh?
22:49.24Armageddonyou said I need the user mount option, or to remove nouser in fstab right ?
22:49.35Armageddonadding the mount option to the user seems more secure
22:50.05mjmtNo I mean remove the "nouser" option if it's in /etc/fstab.
22:50.26Armageddonits not
22:50.54abrotmanArmageddon: ask #ubuntu ?.
22:51.01abrotmanArmageddon: are you using Debian or ubuntu ?
22:51.12ArmageddonDebian
22:51.29abrotmanArmageddon: look at the fstab, and the mount point perms
22:52.03Armageddon!pastebin
22:52.03dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
22:53.00Armageddonabrotman, mjmt the other hard drives are NTFS and are not mentioned in fstab
22:53.46abrotmanArmageddon: are you in the plugdev group ?
22:54.01Armageddonhttp://paste.debian.net/57556/
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22:54.17Armageddonabrotman: I'm new, so no idea
22:54.32abrotmanArmageddon: type 'groups' in the console
22:54.45Armageddonyes
22:55.04Armageddonand root
22:55.14mjmtYeah add yourself to group plugdev, then pmount (which e.g. nautilus uses) will let you do what you're after.
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22:55.40mjmtlags.
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22:56.10Armageddonabrotman: how do I add myself to group pmount ?
22:56.49abrotmanadduser <username> <group>
22:57.16Armageddonpmount does not exist
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22:58.40abrotmani asked you about plugdev
22:58.58Armageddonplugdev is there
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22:59.38abrotmanperms on mount point ?
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23:00.36brif8I reboot my server to 2.6.32-trunk-686  now tomcat 6.0.20 starts but won't connect browser has cannot connect to server, nor can I telnet to port 8080 any ideas ?
23:00.38Armageddonabrotman: I don't understand
23:01.11abrotmanArmageddon: where is it mounted? what are the perms on that mount point ?
23:01.32themill!java ipv6
23:01.33dpkgAs of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html.  This currently breaks networking in java, see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions.  In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
23:01.35themillbrif8: ^^ ?
23:02.15Armageddonabrotman: they are not mounted, I need to mount them, and they are hda1 hda2 and hdb1
23:02.29Armageddonbut they are not mounting when I click on the icons in Computer
23:02.36abrotmanArmageddon: they still have a mount point ..
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23:03.14Armageddonabrotman: I'm really new, I have no idea
23:04.19ChazI'm currently transitioning from NetBSD to either Debian or Gentoo. Anyone have any input regarding Debian?
23:04.28abrotman!why debian
23:04.28dpkgDebian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS.  Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested.  See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian).  As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
23:04.49abrotmanArmageddon: do you know the device in /dev/ ?
23:05.42Armageddonyes, they are hda1, hda2 and hdb1
23:06.04Armageddonyes, they are sda1, sda2 and sdb1 (Sorry)
23:06.04abrotmanwhich one is the NTFS ?
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23:06.20Armageddonall of them
23:06.37kcj1993where do I get debian?
23:06.42abrotmanoh, which are you trying to mount? mkdir ~/mnt/sda1
23:06.47Armageddon!debian
23:06.47dpkgwell, debian is http://www.debian.org.  See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
23:07.00beardy!d-i
23:07.00dpkg5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009).  See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images.  Etch is still available from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ .  Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .  If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i.  IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net.  Also ask me about <errata>.
23:07.13abrotmanArmageddon: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 ~/mnt/sda1  .. doe sthat work ?
23:07.19abrotman!tell kcj1993 about netinst
23:07.22abrotman!tell kcj1993 about ig
23:07.24Deepshi, i tried to upgrade a etch box to lenny, everything seemed to go fine, did a reboot and the rest of my services (openvpn, vsftpd, nfs, portmap, lighttpd) appear to have come up, but ssh hasn't! any ideas?
23:07.48Deepsworth noting that it's a remote box that i haven't got an ipkvm hooked up to yet (wont happen til the morning)
23:08.40abrotmanDeeps: so you can't actually debug anything ?
23:08.48Deepsnope, cant get onto the box
23:08.57Armageddonabrotman: yes it does
23:09.01kcj1993wtf?
23:09.13abrotmankcj1993: ?
23:09.33abrotmanArmageddon: probably the easiest tihng to do would be to define them in the fstab, and setup the mount point correctrly
23:09.34Deepswell, cant get a cli up on it unless someone happens to know of a remote exploit that can be used against one of the aforementioned services to execute some arbitrary code
23:09.36kcj1993no live cd?
23:09.42abrotman!tell kcj1993 about livecd
23:09.45abrotmanbut you cannot install from it
23:10.00Armageddonabrotman: should I create the directories in mnt too ?
23:10.10Armageddonabrotman: btw /mnt/ not ~/mnt/
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23:10.12lenswipehey guys
23:10.21lenswipeim having issues booting linux in general
23:10.26abrotmanArmageddon: you can
23:10.30lenswipemy machine has 512 RAM and a 40GB HDD or something
23:10.31abrotmanlenswipe: which distro ?
23:10.35lenswipedebian of course
23:10.36Armageddonabrotman: I can or I should ?
23:10.37lenswipeat the moment
23:10.41lenswipebut its the same for centos
23:10.53abrotmanArmageddon: if that's where you want to mount htem
23:10.57lenswipetakes literally ages (try 1/2 an hour) to boot
23:10.59abrotmanlenswipe: so why won't it boot ?
23:11.14kcj1993so I can't install from a live cd?
23:11.27lenswipeabrotman: it will, it just takes forever
23:11.39lenswipeno error messages or anything
23:11.40lenswipebear in mind these are all fresh installs
23:11.44abrotmankcj1993: not with the debian livecd
23:11.45lenswipeso no borked configs here
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23:11.54abrotmanlenswipe: acpi=off noapic ?
23:12.18lenswipeabrotman: dont know, how do i find out?
23:12.32abrotmanlenswipe: those are kernel boot optoins ... edit your bootloader and try them
23:12.37lenswipeok
23:12.39lenswipehow do i do that?
23:12.45lenswipebearing in mind that this is the first boot
23:13.02abrotmanlenswipe: is it grub? you type 'e' and edit the boot line to append those options
23:13.16kcj1993I'm trying to move off ubuntu because of all the bugs
23:13.19lenswipeso does acpi need to be off or on?
23:13.25kcj1993but this is confusing
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23:13.37themillkcj1993: how is installing from a CD called "installer" confusing?
23:13.42abrotmankcj1993: okay, so use the Debian netinst .. the 'dpkg' bot already told you about it
23:13.54abrotmanlenswipe: try both options .. "acpi=off noapic"
23:13.59lenswipeok
23:14.00kcj1993does it have a gui?
23:14.08abrotmanit can if you choose
23:14.23kcj1993huh
23:14.33lenswiperigt
23:14.35lenswiperight*
23:14.42lenswipeabrotman: ive got the grub prompt
23:15.02lenswipegrub edit> root   (hd0,0)
23:15.10lenswipedo i just append that to the end?
23:15.13abrotmanlenswipe: should be another line down
23:15.22lenswipethats all i have
23:15.56abrotmanokay, then try it
23:16.25lenswipeok
23:16.31lenswipeso what do i add to the end?
23:16.36lenswipeacpi=off noacpi
23:17.44lenswipeabrotman: ok i did it, its still taking ages
23:18.01abrotmanlenswipe: it was just something to try
23:18.02kcj1993is there anything I should know before dropping ubuntu for debian?
23:18.06lenswipekk
23:18.15lenswipeabrotman: any other suggestions?
23:18.32abrotmankcj1993: it's not as automagic
23:18.37themillkcj1993: you'd do well to read the install guide and release notes that dpkg told you about earlier.
23:18.51zophyi think the vikings defense is going to shut down the saints running game
23:19.00abrotmanzophy: wrong channel
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23:20.23Ariel_Calzadahi there is a graphical tail -f program???
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23:21.00kcj1993does debian come with drivers for my graphics hardware like ubuntu does?
23:21.01abrotmanlike uh .. xtail ?
23:21.03kcj1993casey@laptop0:~$ lspci|grep VGA
23:21.03kcj199301:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE)
23:21.11Armageddon!fstab
23:21.12dpkgsomebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system.  Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it.  See also <label>, <uuid>.
23:21.13abrotmanit should have the ardeon driver
23:21.18abrotmanradeon
23:21.29lenswipeabrotman: any other suggestions?
23:21.32mjmtArmageddon: So can you mount your drives as a user? (Otherwise your file manager won't get anywhere.)
23:21.42abrotmanlenswipe: none that i can think of
23:21.45Armageddonas a user mjmt no
23:21.50kcj1993What about wifi?
23:21.54mjmtJust install gnome-mount. (A better idea than pmount.)
23:22.08kcj1993it that easy to get working?
23:22.38themillkcj1993: try it and see!
23:23.00kcj1993but I don't want to try and fail
23:23.42Armageddonmjmt: I can't install gnome-mount, dependencies problem
23:24.00kcj1993what about compiz?
23:24.09themillkcj1993: try it and see!
23:24.19ShKoDrAnIi am having problems surfing from my debian distro? i'm on a dual boot and when i am on xp it works fine but when i boot on leny its not working, the ethernet seems to be fine though, any suggestions?
23:24.43mjmtArmageddon: Well you're going to have to write some fstab entries then.
23:24.55kcj1993themill: no, see then try it.
23:24.58mjmtThat include the "user" option.
23:25.01Armageddonmjmt: I'm trying to google it to see how it is written
23:25.08abrotmankcj1993: then go to http://packages.debian.org/ and look
23:25.09lenswipedoes debian come with a gui?
23:25.22lenswipeactually, i selected "Desktop" at setup
23:25.27lenswipewill that install GNOME?
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23:25.54abrotmandepends on the installer, but usually
23:26.05lenswipekk
23:26.15themillkcj1993: we have no way of predicting whether things will work with your particular hardware when you won't even tell us what it is. We also don't tend to pre-chew things for people, especially when we know that Google will lead you these answers very quickly or they are in docs that we have already suggested you read.
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23:34.54kcj1993maybe I should try fedora
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23:35.55n-iCekcj1993: no way you say that
23:36.21kcj1993debian seems too complex
23:36.34lenswipekcj1993: theres always windows...
23:36.37lenswipe:P
23:36.47kcj1993oh hell no
23:37.13lenswipelol
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23:37.16n-iCehahaha
23:37.19zophythe game is starting
23:37.24n-iCekcj1993: what's the issue you are dealing with?
23:37.25asfdggiggles
23:37.27lenswipezophy: i already lost the game :(
23:37.47asfdgsends kcj1993 off to play with faildora ;)
23:38.21kcj1993what's wrong with fedora?
23:38.32n-iCeWhat's wrong with Debian?
23:38.37asfdgdepends what you want in your OS
23:38.44themillpoints towards #debian-offtopic
23:38.48asfdgfedora is like debian sid.
23:39.01kcj1993complexity
23:39.21kcj1993I want some thing that won't crash unexpectedly
23:39.37asfdgdebian is simple and stable.
23:39.50asfdgit's just different to windows.
23:40.09kcj1993I don't use windows any more
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23:40.18kcj1993amymore*
23:40.26kcj1993anymore**
23:40.30streunerwhy not?
23:40.48kcj1993because windows sucks and MS is evil
23:41.05streunerhm, thats a good start :-)
23:41.06abrotmanthis is not a distro discussion channel
23:41.14kcj1993I have been using ubuntu for the last year
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23:41.37prince_jammysthen adapting to debian shouldn't be too difficult
23:41.41streunerwell, what makes you feel to change the distro then?
23:42.21streuneronly playing?
23:42.25kcj1993streuner: Crashing, freezing, instability
23:42.55kcj1993I here the debian is the most stable distro
23:43.03kcj1993that*
23:43.05abrotmanso install it and try it
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23:43.47kcj1993I will try to get it running in a vbox
23:43.52lenswipehey guys
23:43.58lenswipehow do i assign a static IP in command line?
23:44.20asfdgifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
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23:44.42lenswipety
23:44.44asfdgedit /etc/network/interfaces
23:44.56asfdgauto eth0
23:44.56asfdgiface eth0 inet static
23:45.01asfdgaddr 1.2.3.4
23:45.05abrotmanasfdg: don't paste in here
23:45.13asfdgsorry :-/
23:45.14abrotmanlenswipe: man interfaces or man ifconfig
23:45.51lenswipekk
23:46.48Sia--i have the english aspell-en and aspell-da , but the spell checker xchat or pidgin just show the english words not the danish? can i switch it?
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23:48.38kcj1993does debian use ext4?
23:48.53streuner!ext4
23:48.53dpkg[ext4] Fourth extended file system.  Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents.  Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1.  Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later.  Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>.  Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121).  http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4  http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/  #ext4 on irc.oftc.net.
23:48.55nkuttlerSia--: are you sure they use aspell? are your locales configured properly?
23:48.56themillkcj1993: did you ask google?
23:49.52kcj1993I don't have enough mem while running a Vbox
23:50.02kcj1993to run firefox
23:50.20Sia--nkuttler, i dont now which package they using?! but in aspell-en worked!
23:51.45kcj1993I'm going to #debian-offtopic now
23:51.57lenswipeguys
23:52.06lenswipeim trying to update debian and apt-get stuff
23:52.11lenswipei keep getting network is unreachable
23:52.24abrotmanlenswipe: okay, how did you mess up your network ?
23:52.31lenswipei didnt
23:52.32topi`has anyone been using hfsplus extensively? I guess the linux support for it is quite solid, aside of journaling
23:52.43abrotmanlenswipe: did it work before ?
23:52.44lenswipeabrotman: i can ping the debian box, it can ping other stuff
23:52.50topi`I mean, it supports all the necessary bits so that I can boot linux off of it
23:52.50lenswipei just cant apt-get stuff
23:52.53abrotmanlenswipe: did it work before ?
23:52.54lenswipei can even ping google i think
23:52.55lenswipeabrotman: no
23:53.03lenswipeno i cant ping googlel
23:53.05abrotmanlenswipe: are you using static or dhcp ?
23:53.12lenswipewell i ran ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
23:53.16abrotmanthat was .. dumb
23:53.24lenswipewell obviously replacing the 1.2.3.4 the real IP
23:53.27abrotmanso when i asked you what you changed .. and you said you didn't .. you lied
23:53.33lenswipe?
23:53.35lenswipeoic
23:53.38lenswipemy bad
23:53.39lenswipesorry
23:54.02lenswipethe thing is, i can ping local hosts
23:54.07lenswipebut not outside hosts
23:54.08lenswipeO_O
23:54.28abrotman!enter
23:54.28dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
23:54.36lenswipesorry
23:54.42abrotmanlenswipe: so your route is messed up .. what is your gateway IP ?
23:54.49lenswipe192.168.1.8
23:55.00abrotmanlenswipe: route add default gw 192.168.1.8
23:55.18lenswipehmm
23:55.26lenswipeSIOCADDRT: No such process
23:55.43lenswipew8 nvm
23:55.54lenswipei missed a digit out of the 168
23:55.56lenswipeit works now
23:56.30lenswipethanks
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