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| 00:04.25 | lenswipe | guys.. |
| 00:04.36 | lenswipe | im trying to ssh into my debian box |
| 00:04.40 | lenswipe | and im getting connection refused |
| 00:04.45 | n-iCe | Did you open the port? |
| 00:04.52 | lenswipe | n-iCe: thats what im thinking |
| 00:04.54 | lenswipe | how do i do that? |
| 00:05.00 | n-iCe | on your router |
| 00:05.03 | lenswipe | oh right no |
| 00:05.06 | lenswipe | this is inside the LAN |
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| 00:05.12 | n-iCe | :) |
| 00:05.17 | lenswipe | the debian box is on a LAN, im on the same LAN |
| 00:05.19 | lenswipe | same submit |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | lenswipe: seriously .. less enter key |
| 00:05.42 | prince_jammys | verify that the ssh daemon is running. |
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| 00:05.55 | nooper | lenswipe: can it ssh to itself? |
| 00:05.58 | bododo | hi guys :) |
| 00:06.00 | lenswipe | nooper: ill try it |
| 00:06.11 | lenswipe | nooper: yes |
| 00:06.38 | lenswipe | does debian come with some kind of firewall built in>? |
| 00:06.56 | AimHere | There's a firewall in the Linux kernel itself |
| 00:07.03 | AimHere | Iptables, it's called. |
| 00:07.05 | AimHere | So yes. |
| 00:07.20 | bododo | I'm stuck. I switched to sid from lenny and now the keyboard doesn't work with xdm (i think it's a problem with mouseemu) so I'd like to boot in text mode but when I try to boot with "linux text" it goes to xdm |
| 00:07.37 | bododo | how do I specify at boot that I don't want xdm to be started? |
| 00:07.46 | lenswipe | how do i open a port on iptables? |
| 00:07.51 | abrotman | AimHere: lenswipe but it doesn't do anything by default |
| 00:07.56 | lenswipe | hm :/ |
| 00:08.08 | lenswipe | so does anyone else know why i cant ssh into this box ? :/ |
| 00:08.16 | nooper | lenswipe: does iptables -L INPUT show any firewall entries? |
| 00:08.19 | lenswipe | ok |
| 00:08.27 | nooper | rules |
| 00:08.31 | lenswipe | returns nothing |
| 00:08.32 | AimHere | 'man iptables' for the manpage, but there are nice GUI front ends, like firestarter if you're a quiche-eating Desktop Environment user |
| 00:08.43 | lenswipe | AimHere: im not using a desktop environment |
| 00:09.01 | AimHere | Good man. iptables it is, then! |
| 00:09.05 | lenswipe | so theres no iptables rules, anyone else have any suggestions? |
| 00:09.07 | prince_jammys | it's ok to discriminate against DE users, but not against quiche. |
| 00:09.41 | bododo | any mac user, here? :) I'm using yaboot, and booting with the param "text" prevents gdm from starting but it seems inefficient with xdm :( |
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| 00:09.50 | nooper | lenswipe: while sshing to yourself, did you use localhost or its network IP? |
| 00:09.53 | AimHere | If you're trying to open ports, the first thing to check would be the router, if any |
| 00:09.56 | lenswipe | localhost |
| 00:10.01 | nooper | try the network IP |
| 00:10.06 | lenswipe | yeah that works too |
| 00:10.13 | lenswipe | just not from another machine O_O |
| 00:10.52 | bododo | lenswipe: the other machine needs to know that a given name is associated with that ip |
| 00:11.03 | lenswipe | ? |
| 00:11.04 | bododo | edit your /etc/hosts and add a line |
| 00:11.09 | lenswipe | im on windows... |
| 00:11.17 | lenswipe | however, i can ping the debian machine |
| 00:11.22 | bododo | does it work with the ip? |
| 00:11.22 | lenswipe | i just cant ssh into it |
| 00:11.27 | lenswipe | bododo: yes |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | lenswipe: ENTER OFF |
| 00:11.34 | AimHere | edit your %WINDOWS%\system32\etc\hosts and add a line then |
| 00:11.44 | bododo | but it doesn't with the hostname, right? |
| 00:11.45 | AimHere | Assuming it's %windows% and not some other variablename |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | lenswipe: don't /notice me .. |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | just don't do it |
| 00:11.50 | lenswipe | again, sorry |
| 00:12.01 | nooper | any outgoing firewall on the windows machine? most anti-virus apps have them too |
| 00:12.03 | bododo | so yeah edit your hosts in windows |
| 00:12.07 | abrotman | lenswipe: if you install nmbd, you can do it by name |
| 00:12.15 | lenswipe | AimHere: but i shoudlnt have to edit hosts, i should be able to just ssh in using the ip |
| 00:12.33 | lenswipe | as regards DNS, i already have a DNS server |
| 00:12.36 | bododo | it's iirc /windows/system32/drivers/hosts (I always do a file search for that actually) |
| 00:12.53 | abrotman | or ask ##windows |
| 00:13.15 | lenswipe | this isnt a windows issue, this is a debian issue, debian is rejecting the connection |
| 00:13.26 | lenswipe | i actually get a "Connection refused" error - thats debian doing that |
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| 00:13.27 | AimHere | bododo, it might be c:\winnt or something, hence the need for a variable |
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| 00:13.45 | lenswipe | is it possible that sshd is binding to a particular IP in the same way that mysql sometimes does |
| 00:13.48 | bododo | well, probably, I haven't a windows machine actually |
| 00:14.02 | AimHere | bododo, depends on the version of windows |
| 00:14.08 | nooper | lenswipe: anything in /etc/hosts.allow or hosts.deny? |
| 00:14.16 | lenswipe | lemme see |
| 00:14.23 | bododo | lenswipe: do you have any specific rules in /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 00:14.35 | nooper | hey i asked first |
| 00:14.58 | lenswipe | hosts.allow is empty, let me check hosts.deny |
| 00:15.16 | lenswipe | ...thats also empty |
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| 00:15.33 | silidan | hi |
| 00:15.47 | bododo | hum... well since you can ssh with the ip, I don't think it's a debian issue |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | lenswipe: netstat -plunt | grep 22 |
| 00:15.49 | nooper | lenswipe: using putty from windows? |
| 00:16.06 | jelly-home | bododo: tcp wrappers don't cause "connection refused", they work right after a connection is established |
| 00:16.08 | silidan | i just have plugged an wireless network card into my pcmcia slot... it doesnt seem to be plug and play, how could i get it running? |
| 00:16.10 | abrotman | oh, if he can ssh by IP, it's the name resolution .. use the nmbd i mentioned before |
| 00:16.11 | lenswipe | nooper: im telnetted into another linux machine and from there im sshing into linux |
| 00:16.44 | lenswipe | abrotman: i cant ssh by IP, i get connection refused no matter what i use to ssh :) |
| 00:17.05 | bododo | I thought you were able to :/ |
| 00:17.21 | abrotman | lenswipe: netstat -plunt | grep 22 |
| 00:17.28 | lenswipe | bododo: i can ssh into the machine from itself by IP but not from other machines |
| 00:17.39 | bododo | ah! ok |
| 00:17.40 | lenswipe | abrotman: -bash: netstat: command not found |
| 00:17.47 | silidan | is pcmcia plug and play or do i have to reboot? |
| 00:17.55 | abrotman | lenswipe: you can ssh to the machine from the machine, right ? |
| 00:17.57 | lenswipe | nvm, i misspelled it |
| 00:18.10 | lenswipe | i had netsat instead of netstat |
| 00:18.35 | lenswipe | ok i got some stuff up here, what do you want me to do witrh it? i cant pastebin it because im copying what i see off another monitor |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | lenswipe: does it say like 0.0.0.0:22 ? |
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| 00:26.58 | nike | I had 6 HDDs in mdadm RAID-5 and they were sd{a-f}1 |
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| 00:27.31 | nike | But after some package upgrades (this is stable), rebooting sees only sd{a-f} and I cannot see sda1, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1, etc. |
| 00:27.56 | nike | Even though fdisk shows first partitions on each of the 6 drives in the partition table and dmesg shows messages that it sees them as well |
| 00:28.06 | nike | But they do not show up in /dev |
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| 00:30.23 | jelly-home | nike: sounds like a race condition somewhere or an udev issue. did you have a md or device-mapper using the whole devices some time in the past? |
| 00:30.54 | jelly-home | nike: uname -a? |
| 00:30.56 | silidan | if a pcmcia wlan card gets very hot shortly after inserting it (it didnt even load a driver, so it was not in use) can i savely assume it is dead? |
| 00:31.45 | nike | jelly-home: Linux rinoa 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Aug 20 00:36:34 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:32.19 | nike | jelly-home: I do not remember if I had mdadm using sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, sde, and sdf in the past. |
| 00:32.28 | nike | It's using them now, though, and I can't see my data. |
| 00:32.49 | nike | I should have a physical volume out of /dev/md0 and a volume group and LV on that called /dev/dmt/god |
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| 00:33.14 | nooper | which packages were upgraded? |
| 00:33.17 | jelly-home | nike, pastebin your /proc/mdstat, output of pvdisplay and the whole of dmesg please |
| 00:34.43 | jelly-home | nike: oh, and /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf too |
| 00:34.53 | nike | jelly-home: md stuff: http://pastebin.ca/1764637 |
| 00:35.51 | nike | http://pastebin.ca/1764638 <-- pvdisplay |
| 00:37.22 | Sia-- | can i have tow spell checker in desktop text input area? now english spellchecker worked with aspell-en i will have the danish also aspell-da already installed, but still have the english one? |
| 00:37.24 | jelly-home | it looks like mdadm automatically or manually assembled an array from whole-disk devices, presumably because one existed before |
| 00:37.37 | nike | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1764639 wow I never saw those ata2 errors before on dmesg |
| 00:38.58 | nike | jelly-home: and lastly, my mdadm.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1764641 |
| 00:39.39 | nike | jelly-home: Well, is mdadm then causing sda1, sdb1, etc. not to show up in /dev upon boot? |
| 00:39.42 | jelly-home | your mdadm.conf is empty, so it seems autoassembly took place |
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| 00:40.04 | nike | jelly-home: Does this mean my RAID array is wiped? |
| 00:40.28 | jelly-home | nike: no, probably |
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| 00:41.02 | nike | jelly-home: Well, I'm hoping at least 5 of the six first partitions still have my RAID data, else I lose ~6 TiB of data. |
| 00:41.31 | nike | I'm just not sure how best to tell the kernel to see sda1, sdb1, etc. and then mdadm to force use them without writing to them. |
| 00:42.07 | jelly-home | nike: first, stop current md0 array. Then, to assemble the real array, you'll have to create /dev/ entries for sda1, sdb1 etc. |
| 00:42.42 | nike | jelly-home: Do I do this by rebooting or are the manual commands I should be using to create sda1, etc.? |
| 00:42.57 | jelly-home | nike: _no rebooting_. |
| 00:43.11 | nike | jelly-home: By the way, this is what my mdadm looked like before sdb "died": http://pastebin.ca/1756969 |
| 00:43.15 | jelly-home | rebooting is what got you to current situation |
| 00:43.34 | nike | Now it calls sdb a fault spare, which probably has to do with those ata2 errors in dmesg towards the bottom? |
| 00:44.43 | jelly-home | that's unrelated, and not relevant to creating the real array, which you say is supposed to consist of /dev/sd[a-f]1 devices |
| 00:44.56 | nike | Right. |
| 00:44.59 | nike | OKay... |
| 00:45.07 | nike | Is it smart to do this first? |
| 00:45.16 | jelly-home | yeah, sdb1 might be dead, but that's not catastrophic |
| 00:45.31 | nike | Well there's one issue. This is just RAID-5 so I can't lose 2 drives |
| 00:46.04 | jelly-home | nike: I'm guessing autoconfiguration got you into this mess, together with existing MD superblocks from an old array. Which is what you see now. |
| 00:46.22 | nike | If yo look at my original problem when I rebooted after the package updates (maybe my mdadm.conf got wiped then??) you can see here: http://pastebin.ca/1756969 that sdf was a spare but had valid data to be re-added to the array |
| 00:46.30 | lenswipe | abrotman: yeah i have 0.0.0.0:22 for sshd |
| 00:47.00 | nike | jelly-home: But what I did was tried to re-add sdf to the array and it started to rebuild, and that's when sdb dropped out of the array and became a fault spare |
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| 00:47.05 | jelly-home | nike: in all likelikhood, you never created a proper mdadm.conf |
| 00:47.11 | nike | the sdf rebuld process only got about 1% |
| 00:47.18 | nike | But if that corrupted the data on sdf... |
| 00:47.23 | nike | and my sdb is actually dead.... |
| 00:47.36 | jelly-home | what data on sdf? |
| 00:47.46 | nike | The RAID-5 data |
| 00:47.55 | nike | of my real array |
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| 00:48.31 | jelly-home | well what's done is done, and since you don't have mdadm.conf of the real array, you'll have to assemble it manually. |
| 00:48.44 | nike | Okay that's fine. |
| 00:48.44 | jelly-home | first get rid of md0 |
| 00:48.51 | nike | Howshould I kill the existing md0? |
| 00:49.16 | jelly-home | man mdadm, use --stop |
| 00:49.51 | nike | mdadm Yeah I just saw in man |
| 00:49.54 | nike | mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
| 00:49.58 | nike | no other switches? |
| 00:50.24 | jelly-home | nike: you should get acquainted with that manual, cause you'll use mdadm to scan for further arrays and to assemble the real one manually if need be |
| 00:50.34 | jelly-home | that's it |
| 00:51.07 | jelly-home | after that, make the kernel reread the partition table for all those disks |
| 00:51.24 | abrotman | lenswipe: from that server, can you ssh to its own IP ? |
| 00:51.42 | jelly-home | nike: that will hopefully signal udev to generate missing /dev/ entries for partitions |
| 00:51.58 | nike | jelly-home: Okay so the md0 is stopped. I'm not sure how to make the kernel rescan though. |
| 00:53.47 | jelly-home | nike: one way that comes to mind is blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sda (etc.) |
| 00:53.57 | jelly-home | or echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/rescan |
| 00:55.14 | jelly-home | see if something happens in dmesg, and if /dev/sda1 appears after doing that |
| 00:56.04 | nike | jelly-home: Oh man, the blockdev command works!!! you are good at this... |
| 00:56.34 | nike | jelly-home: I have /dev/sd[a-f]1 back! |
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| 00:56.56 | nike | Okay now to manually tell mdadm to assemble an array with them... I think I will use --force, what do yo think of this? |
| 00:56.56 | jelly-home | nike: you wouldn't have if md was still holding the whole devices |
| 00:57.12 | nike | good to know |
| 00:57.26 | jelly-home | nike: try to use scan first, see if there really are md superblocks on /dev/sd?1 |
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| 01:00.03 | pzn | Hi. I'm migrating a website with around 6k pages from win-shit to debian. the main problem is that filenames of <a href> are case sensitive in ext3. is there a simple way to solve this before asking page developers to rewrite the broken links? |
| 01:00.38 | pzn | any way of telling lighttpd to search for filenames case-insentively? |
| 01:02.03 | jelly-home | pzn: the underlying fs is the issue, not the web server... that would have to be a very specific workaround |
| 01:03.00 | jelly-home | pzn: eg. what happens if two filenames differ only in case? |
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| 01:03.49 | lenswipe | abrotman: yes i can |
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| 01:03.55 | lenswipe | i can successfully run ssh 192.168.1.17 |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | lenswipe: but you cannot ssh to the IP from another machine ? |
| 01:04.06 | jelly-home | pzn: if your site is static html, you could whip up a href lowercasing script easily I guess |
| 01:05.06 | pzn | jelly-home: I know the issue is about the filesystem. now I just want to put the webpage on air (with no broken links)... later I can ask developers to fix it... |
| 01:05.42 | pzn | jelly-home: what about if I create an smbmount and put the files there... so it would be case-insensitive... :-) (as a temporary workaround) |
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| 01:06.51 | jelly-home | you could nominate yourself for the hack of the day award then |
| 01:07.19 | pzn | jelly-home: :-) |
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| 01:09.57 | jelly-home | nike: I'll be off now. The general idea is to figure out what your real array should look like, try assembling it without any forces first, and when you eventually succeed in assembling it, write the correct mdadm.conf |
| 01:11.39 | jelly-home | nike: Use /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf. After you have a correct mdadm.conf, with _only_ the real array, use update-initramfs to put it into the boot initramfs image as well, then reboot and hope it works |
| 01:12.23 | uniqdom | hi, is there a way to close a socket that remains opened when I kill his process?? |
| 01:12.42 | jelly-home | nike: at some point, say, after you have working backups, you might want to nuke MD superblocks on the whole-disk devices so they don't get accidentally used again |
| 01:13.16 | jelly-home | nike: --zero-superblock |
| 01:14.08 | lenswipe | abrotman: thats correct |
| 01:14.21 | lenswipe | ive checked the network connections and all the obvious stuff |
| 01:15.27 | lenswipe | i g2g to bed |
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| 01:16.50 | rumpsy | Hey :) |
| 01:17.10 | rumpsy | is it possible to run two users at a time |
| 01:17.12 | nike | jelly-home: Heh, okay. mdadm --scan didn't work |
| 01:17.52 | nike | I think reading the man page for mdadm that this is the incorrect switch to use. |
| 01:18.23 | jelly-home | nike: could be --examine, I don't remember the details |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | lensbleh |
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| 01:19.11 | Devastator | jelly-home are you talking about raid? |
| 01:19.17 | rumpsy | My problem is, i'm admin, i want to add startup application called transmission to user account so that at everytime user login appliaction triggered, but the user should not access the download folder! is this way possible |
| 01:20.03 | jelly-home | Devastator: not any more, heading to bed |
| 01:20.30 | Devastator | jelly-home have a nice sleep |
| 01:20.36 | nike | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1764667 |
| 01:20.39 | nike | =P |
| 01:21.05 | nike | jelly-home: There is cruft on sda, sdb, etc. |
| 01:21.14 | nike | I need to just tell mdadm to use sda1, sdb1, etc. manually I suppose. |
| 01:21.52 | nike | jelly-home: You think I should do it without --force though? Is there danger of mdadm trying to rewrite parity information on any of the drives without --force? |
| 01:21.53 | pzn | jelly-home: worked! created a vfat partition and put all data there.. now it is case insensitive! at least the site is up with no broken links until developers fix it :-D |
| 01:22.18 | nike | oh FAT32, saving the day again. =/ |
| 01:22.19 | jelly-home | pzn: you just ruined all the permissions and ownerships, though |
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| 01:23.06 | pzn | jelly-home: yes... but all files are 644 and dirs are 755, and it is just one user that has this problem. it is a simple workaround that will allow me to go to bed earlier |
| 01:23.18 | squisher | Evening everyone. I just upgraded my sid box after being out of town for a while. Now my kerberos client is broken, anyone have an idea? |
| 01:23.24 | jelly-home | nike: if things work without forcing them, it's better in general |
| 01:23.34 | squisher | WARNING: KDC has no support for encryption type while getting initial ticket for principal 'nfs/alucardo.nd.mcbf.net@ND.MCBF.NET' using keytab 'WRFILE:/etc/krb5.keytab' |
| 01:24.05 | nike | jelly-home: Thank you so much by the way. I've gotten farther with you than anyone. No one's been able to help me with this complicated problem |
| 01:24.10 | nike | And it's so much data at stake for me. |
| 01:24.17 | nike | I'm only going to use RAID-6 from now on =/ |
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| 01:24.43 | jelly-home | nike: it doesn't matter what raid you use, you have to make backups. |
| 01:24.59 | jelly-home | raid is only there to prevent downtime |
| 01:25.05 | nike | jelly-home: hard to back up 6 TiB of data when this array's the biggest storage space I've got. |
| 01:25.11 | nike | But yeah I know RAID is no backup solution. |
| 01:25.54 | Devastator | even raid 10? |
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| 01:26.08 | jelly-home | nike: now you know the probable uuid of the correct array, I guess you'll be able to assemble it |
| 01:27.19 | jelly-home | nike: I do fear a bit about the wrong array being written/rebuilt |
| 01:27.30 | krabador | how can i set alsa driver to stop audio from speakers when i plug headphones, in hp dv6-1350sl? |
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| 01:27.37 | krabador | please help me |
| 01:28.03 | nike | jelly-home: certainly that one HHD sdf that started getting rebuilt on the wrong array |
| 01:28.06 | nike | probably had bad data |
| 01:28.16 | nike | so my only hope is if sdb is not dead. |
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| 01:31.17 | jelly-home | next time, make sure you update mdadm.conf after finalizing the array setup |
| 01:31.27 | jelly-home | (and the initrd copy of it, too) |
| 01:33.20 | paissad | lsb_init_functions sucks so much ... damn it |
| 01:33.31 | paissad | & everything related to it |
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| 01:34.55 | paissad | why not just doing something more conventionnal ... ? |
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| 01:35.22 | paissad | start-stop-daemon sucks the best |
| 01:35.40 | jelly-home | paissad: can I get you some cheese with that whine? |
| 01:36.04 | paissad | jelly-home, ^^ |
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| 01:37.39 | paissad | jelly, my /var/run/$NAME.pid never contains the real pid of the program |
| 01:37.44 | paissad | jelly-home, |
| 01:38.44 | paissad | for example, when the program is started via init.d, the pid is 4040 ( from ps, or pgrep ) .... but cat /var/run/$NAME.pid is 4039 |
| 01:39.03 | paissad | knowing that pid 4039 does not exist in the system |
| 01:39.27 | paissad | i always get the real pid of the program less 1 |
| 01:40.24 | paissad | http://pastebin.com/f7898d8dd |
| 01:41.18 | jelly-home | ", --make-pidfile [...] NOTE: This feature may not work in all cases. Most notably when the program being executed forks from its main process." |
| 01:41.41 | paissad | jelly-home, i added it because it does not create pid ! |
| 01:42.18 | paissad | let me remove that option ... i think that won't create the pid file again |
| 01:42.29 | jelly-home | start-stop-daemon isn't all-powerful, and it doesn't pretend to be |
| 01:43.18 | paissad | jelly-home, i confirm that when i remove the make-pidfile, i have no pid file |
| 01:43.19 | paissad | :) |
| 01:43.26 | paissad | that sucks |
| 01:43.29 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 01:44.02 | jelly-home | fix your daemon to create a proper pid file (after it forks and backgrounds itself) |
| 01:44.03 | paissad | jelly-home, why debian developers created such a program ? |
| 01:44.36 | paissad | jelly-home, my program runs in background itself |
| 01:44.40 | jelly-home | paissad: I think the manual explains it well enough. Not all options are useful in all cases. |
| 01:45.03 | paissad | jelly-home, i did not use all options ... |
| 01:45.10 | paissad | i know what you mean |
| 01:45.29 | jelly-home | but you presumed -m would do something that it does not do |
| 01:45.47 | paissad | -m ? |
| 01:46.12 | paissad | i don't know what you mean mate |
| 01:46.21 | jelly-home | --make-pidfile |
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| 01:47.29 | paissad | jelly-home, i added -m because my inady program does not create it's own pid file, |
| 01:48.26 | lizk | I can't find the details of the new numbering scheme for grub2, would this be the channel to ask? |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | lizk: for which distro? (there's also a #grub) |
| 01:50.49 | squisher | paissad, --make-pidfile would work Ok if you could instruct your program to _not_ fork |
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| 01:51.20 | lizk | i found grub, nonone answeing tho. ubuntu karmic |
| 01:51.31 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 01:51.43 | paissad | squisher, i read the manpage, & i saw that ... my program does not fork itself, it just go into background, nothing else |
| 01:52.22 | lizk | is there a manpage for grub2? |
| 01:52.43 | paissad | squisher, the program goes into background like if it were started by nohup or setsid |
| 01:52.44 | tking | how do i keep my beard long but not have it be really itchy |
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| 01:53.27 | squisher | paissad, don't know exactly how start-stop-daemon works, but if you can, try to suppress it from going to the background. |
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| 01:54.17 | echa | hi, i have made my first binary repository, i get error: unpacking /var/cache/apt/archives/X.deb trying to overwrite <file>, which is also in package X |
| 01:54.26 | echa | when installing one of the packages |
| 01:54.33 | echa | why does it complain like this? |
| 01:54.43 | echa | i make the package myself |
| 01:55.16 | echa | the X.deb in the cache is the same as package X |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | which package owns the other file ? |
| 01:55.48 | echa | the same package |
| 01:55.55 | echa | there is only one |
| 01:56.03 | jelly-home | echa: pastebin the actual error |
| 01:56.07 | echa | the file exists in only one package |
| 01:56.21 | echa | it's hard to paste as it's on another system with no internet |
| 01:56.28 | echa | i will copy to usb hang on |
| 01:56.49 | paissad | squisher, yes, if i remove the background option of the program , everything's ok ! |
| 01:56.58 | paissad | squisher, you're a great guy :) |
| 01:57.54 | squisher | paissad, you're welcome |
| 01:58.43 | jelly-home | echa: if it's the exact package, things should work. If it's some other package, read the policy: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
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| 01:59.34 | Devastator | jelly-home I see that you didn't sleep yet, can I ask you a simple question about raid? |
| 02:00.13 | jelly-home | maybe :-) |
| 02:00.31 | Devastator | jelly-home is it hard to setup raid 10 on linux? |
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| 02:01.12 | jelly-home | not any harder than elsewhere |
| 02:01.17 | echa | http://pastebin.com/d1fd38253 |
| 02:01.29 | echa | jelly-home: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:01.43 | echa | jelly-home: the file exists in only one package |
| 02:02.06 | jelly-home | pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/pack-eclipse_0.01_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/opt/eclipse/about.html', which is also in package nirs-eclipse |
| 02:02.18 | jelly-home | echa: you have "pack-eclipse" and "nirs-eclipse" |
| 02:02.18 | paissad | btw, i would like to know how to manage the order of start of init.d scripts ... for example how to ensure that script_a will be run before script_b ? |
| 02:02.20 | echa | this is a mistake |
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| 02:04.05 | abrotman | you made it! |
| 02:04.24 | jelly-home | echa: you'll have to either purge the old package first, or add Conflicts: and Replaces: nirs-eclipse if you want it to be automatically removed, or just Replace: if you want that file overwritten but keep other bits of the old package. |
| 02:04.55 | echa | but it isn't installed |
| 02:05.01 | jelly-home | echa: yes it is. |
| 02:05.12 | echa | i purged everything from synaptic |
| 02:05.18 | echa | and checked in /top |
| 02:05.18 | jelly-home | it's unpacked at least |
| 02:05.26 | echa | in /opt |
| 02:05.31 | echa | ok |
| 02:05.31 | jelly-home | echa: dpkg -l nirs\* |
| 02:05.55 | echa | no packages found matching |
| 02:06.01 | jimcooncat | I'd like to know if there is an option where I could have "group homes", where a home directory is provided for each group formed by manual input. Anyone heard of a setup like that? |
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| 02:06.31 | jelly-home | echa: dpkg doesn't make mistakes... users do! |
| 02:06.37 | echa | yes |
| 02:06.39 | echa | but where |
| 02:06.45 | echa | that's the hard part |
| 02:07.10 | jimcooncat | I suspect this would be monkeying with PAM? |
| 02:07.38 | Rienzilha | dunno |
| 02:07.39 | jelly-home | echa: nothing in dpkg -l nirs\*, or dpkg -l nirs-eclipse? |
| 02:07.41 | Rienzilha | add them to a group |
| 02:07.48 | Rienzilha | make the directory owned by that group |
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| 02:08.00 | Rienzilha | and set the homedir for each user to that directory |
| 02:08.02 | echa | jelly-home, no |
| 02:08.28 | jelly-home | echa: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/nirs-eclipse* |
| 02:08.33 | Devastator | jelly-home I asked the question because I'm thinking about building a server using raid 10, but never used it under linux.. some say raid 10 is the best |
| 02:08.36 | jimcooncat | I guess I could make my own front end to addgroup? |
| 02:08.36 | Mr_Queue | any aptitude guru's on hand? It has been forever since I've been outside of Debian. However, I just set up an Ubuntu host inside my Sid machine and noticed a pretty big different in the responsiviness when using aptitude in ubuntu. what gives? |
| 02:08.59 | echa | nothing in there |
| 02:09.04 | echa | something is wrong with my packages |
| 02:09.06 | echa | i think |
| 02:09.09 | echa | the control files are wrong |
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| 02:09.14 | lizk | in grub2 what is the number of first logical partition? |
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| 02:10.00 | jelly-home | echa: that's a real possibility, too. The clocks on your machines don't match either. |
| 02:10.32 | echa | yes, i noticed |
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| 02:10.40 | echa | one is a VM, its clock is always wrong |
| 02:11.08 | jelly-home | eh, make it ntpdate once a minute in cron |
| 02:11.15 | Mr_Queue | is there some large cache aptitude/dpkg is reading over I don't know about? |
| 02:11.27 | jelly-home | ... once you have network |
| 02:12.21 | echa | jelly-home, no internets |
| 02:12.33 | echa | jelly-home, no internets ever... |
| 02:12.36 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: I guess, if their aptitude is faster, you'll have to ask them? |
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| 02:14.00 | jelly-home | echa: so make a local time server, or install guest additions, or just do date -s "correct time" |
| 02:14.16 | jimcooncat | Mr_Queue: maybe one of the repositories you use added a load of packages? |
| 02:15.35 | sparr | are there any open source multi-protocol IM clients that support video on one or more protocols? |
| 02:15.43 | jelly-home | echa: also, don't expect help from me if you paste munged data, it's too much hassle to fix the real issue without the user muddying it even more |
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| 02:15.56 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: you sohuld really ask #ubuntu |
| 02:16.51 | jelly-home | "Dear #ubuntu, why is Ubuntu's aptitude so much faster than Debian's?" |
| 02:18.23 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: possibly a better question for #debian-devel than here, they might know if ubuntu has patches applied |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | or ask the ubuntu devs . |
| 02:19.25 | jimcooncat | how do I find what pam modules debian stable has available? |
| 02:19.28 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: good point.. I had initally thought that perhaps it had something to do with the age of my Sid install..(years) over the fresh vhost. |
| 02:19.35 | Mr_Queue | err.. vclient |
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| 02:20.08 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: you might have lots of crap in the aged installation sources.list |
| 02:20.52 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: why? I don't 'run' ubuntu really.. it is only a vm built just the other day, and the slack seems to be debian. |
| 02:21.47 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: well, rather 'clean' sources.. main contrib non-free and multimedia.. |
| 02:21.59 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: we don't know why aptitude is slow as hell, we just live with it |
| 02:22.03 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: it's their patches, not ours .. ask them how they altered theirs to be faster |
| 02:22.34 | jelly-home | and probably a -dev channel of some sort rather than just #u |
| 02:22.49 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: well that seems to answer the question. with it is know and accepted that our aptitude is slower.. |
| 02:22.57 | Mr_Queue | *known |
| 02:23.16 | DogBoy | slower how? |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: good, conversation over? |
| 02:23.44 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: yeah sure I suppose so.... |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: really, you're asking the wrong people |
| 02:24.48 | tking | What would debian do with 1000 USD if one were to give them that much? |
| 02:25.10 | jelly-home | tking: TIAS |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | tking: you'd donate the money to SPI |
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| 02:25.29 | Mr_Queue | tking: pay for some bandwidth? add to the endowment? |
| 02:25.47 | tking | I wanted to setup a FSF scholarship for college students |
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| 02:26.04 | tking | but then my wife took a bunch of stuff |
| 02:26.06 | tking | :| |
| 02:26.57 | Mr_Queue | heh- they're good for that eh |
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| 02:27.25 | jelly-home | tking: you seem to be overestimating the value of US Dollar by a lot |
| 02:27.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:27.39 | [bintut] | waves |
| 02:27.41 | tking | jelly, no I had a lot more than a grand. \ |
| 02:27.48 | tking | jelly-home, * |
| 02:27.48 | Mr_Queue | :) |
| 02:27.51 | [bintut] | i am having an OOM that kills my running Squid 2.6STABLE5 eventhough i have a 16GB RAM. any advice? how can i eliminate the OOM problem on my system? thanks. |
| 02:28.15 | OldParr | please how do i incorpore filesystem NTFS to gparted in debian it only shows ext2 ext3 and swap? |
| 02:28.21 | jelly-home | [bintut]: 32 or 64bit debian? |
| 02:28.53 | nolimitsoya | is there a live install cd with networkmanager enabled? |
| 02:29.21 | jelly-home | OldParr: install the Suggested: packages of gparted. Notably, ntfsprogs |
| 02:29.41 | OldParr | jelly-home: thanks |
| 02:31.34 | nike | jelly-home: What do you think of this: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 |
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| 02:32.07 | jelly-home | nike: sounds worth a try... is sdb alive? |
| 02:32.21 | nike | jelly-home: best way to check? |
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| 02:33.05 | lizk | in grub2 what is the number of first logical partition? |
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| 02:33.07 | jelly-home | nike: hdparm -tT? smartmontools? |
| 02:33.15 | dvs | lizk: 5 |
| 02:33.26 | bododo | hi guys |
| 02:33.44 | jimcooncat | is there anything special about a user or group name that starts with an underscore? |
| 02:33.55 | nolimitsoya | ok the, does the kde install come with networkmanager or will i need more cds? |
| 02:34.01 | nolimitsoya | *then |
| 02:34.30 | bododo | it seems that udev has problems in sid? |
| 02:34.38 | jelly-home | nike: if you take a look at superblock in sda1, you'll see there was no sdb1 in there the last time it was working, either |
| 02:34.55 | bododo | It shows me a whole lot of errors (warnings I think) |
| 02:35.03 | bododo | and mouseemu isn't working |
| 02:35.10 | dvs | bododo: about conf? |
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| 02:35.14 | nike | jelly-home: Odd. Right. Okay, scary. If I erased sdf during that stunted 1-2% rebuild process when it was sda, sdb, etc.... |
| 02:35.14 | bododo | when I login to X, I have no keyboard |
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| 02:35.35 | jelly-home | nike: you'll probably have some crap on sdf1 |
| 02:35.35 | bododo | dvs: ? :) |
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| 02:36.05 | bododo | dvs: ah yes! the warnings were about conf I think |
| 02:36.09 | nike | jelly-home: But look at this: http://pastebin.ca/1764721 |
| 02:36.23 | nike | It shows hdparm output as well as mdadm scanning sdb1 |
| 02:36.49 | dvs | bododo: they're just warnings. |
| 02:36.51 | bododo | is there a way I can tune/config udev or something? |
| 02:36.55 | jelly-home | nike: note the difference in dates on sdb1 and other sd?1 |
| 02:37.04 | nike | ah |
| 02:37.32 | bododo | dvs: yes, but I think there's a pb with it |
| 02:38.03 | nike | jelly-home: Okay so it might have died on Nov 3? |
| 02:38.17 | nike | That hdparm command didn't have much info it seems. |
| 02:38.28 | nike | Should I do another hdparm command or install smartmontools? |
| 02:38.58 | OldParr | please how do i incorpore filesystem FAT to gparted in debian it only shows ntfs ext2 ext3 and swap? |
| 02:39.55 | jelly-home | nike: at this point I'd either contact a data recovery company and explain in detail what was done, or try assembling sda1, sdc1-sdf1 and see what the filesystem looks like |
| 02:40.39 | nike | jelly-home: Wow. Okay.... |
| 02:40.59 | nike | jelly-home: What do you think of this: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 |
| 02:41.02 | jelly-home | OldParr: look at the status of gparted package. dpkg -s gparted. Then extrapolate from that. |
| 02:41.39 | nolimitsoya | nike, specify a metadata version, level and layout as appropriate |
| 02:41.41 | jelly-home | OldParr: the answer is similar to your previous question. |
| 02:41.52 | nolimitsoya | nike, oops, never mind :) |
| 02:41.55 | OldParr | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 02:42.33 | jelly-home | nike: I think I'd have to rtfm to see if there are any --read-only options to be added |
| 02:42.55 | pm2 | I'm having a strange problem with the way mail is being sent to certain users on my domain. I have a postfix/procmail/spamassassin setup. A user has an account which is set to deliver to a virtual mailbox, and to forward to a blackberry email address. When I send mail to that user, he received 9 copies of the message. Log files are here: http://pastebin.com/m4b7369e2 |
| 02:43.00 | nike | jelly-home: yeah read-only would be amazing, that's really the reason I'd want to use force but |
| 02:43.04 | pm2 | This started after I setup procmail and spamassassin to do spam filtering. So far I've only noticed it on this one user's account, I setup another account to forward to a non-blackberry address and also deliver to a virtual mailbox, and I don't have the problem. Any ideas? |
| 02:45.02 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.21 | jelly-home | OldParr: why not? |
| 02:45.30 | nike | jelly-home: I do not see one in the subsection of switches for assemble nor the general non-mode specific switches |
| 02:46.18 | OldParr | jelly-home: internet says that aptitude is the best package manager for debian |
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| 02:47.28 | jelly-home | OldParr: I don't see the point. Is there a shorter way to do dpkg -s packagename with aptitude? |
| 02:48.25 | OldParr | jelly-home: i will investigate that question i really do not know |
| 02:48.46 | g00dtimes | pm2: for clarity, you send one email to w@example.com and it gets delivered 9 times to sw@vzw.blackberry.net? |
| 02:48.46 | jelly-home | neither do I, so I use what I know works |
| 02:49.07 | g00dtimes | s/w@example.com/sw@example.com |
| 02:49.52 | pm2 | g00dtimes, let me double check... |
| 02:50.06 | jelly-home | nike: also. That hdparm test showed hdparm was unable to read 2MB off the disk... so sdb has issues. |
| 02:50.21 | jelly-home | Timing buffered disk reads: read(2097152) returned 1445888 bytes |
| 02:50.58 | nike | jelly-home: Probably enough to kill it's position in the array? |
| 02:51.13 | nike | Either needs to be rebuilt, or... well does that mean it's definitely dead? |
| 02:52.14 | nike | And by dead I mean: is that 2MB of space physically shot? |
| 02:52.37 | pm2 | g00dtimes, I send one email to sw@example.com, and 9 copies end up at both sw@vzw.blackberry.net and the virtual maildir for sw@example.com |
| 02:52.52 | jelly-home | nike: it certainly seems so |
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| 02:53.15 | g00dtimes | pm2: what are you using for your virtual maps? |
| 02:53.37 | nike | jelly-home: Okay well I am scared I may have overwritten sdf's data from before when I had no sda1, sdb1, etc. |
| 02:53.50 | nike | best way to verify would be to mdadm --assemble I think |
| 02:53.53 | nike | leaving out sdb I guess |
| 02:53.59 | pm2 | g00dtimes, a pgsql backend.. let me post main.cf... |
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| 02:54.32 | jelly-home | nike: the safest thing to do at this point might be: get a new disk to use instead of current sdf. Then assemble a degraded array with sd{a,c,d,e}, and let it rebuild on the replacement for sdf |
| 02:54.56 | nike | jelly-home: Probably will add --run actually, that attempts to start the arry even if less drives are specified than when it was last working. So if I only specify 5 drives and leave out sdb1...? |
| 02:54.59 | jelly-home | nike: this will work IFF no other disks have bad sectors/read errors |
| 02:55.14 | nike | jelly-home: No no, this is RAID-5 though. |
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| 02:55.33 | nike | If I lose 2 disks I thought I am dead in the water. |
| 02:55.39 | pm2 | g00dtimes, main.cf at http://pastebin.com/m44814f3a |
| 02:55.47 | nike | If my sdb is physically dead... don't I need to try my damndest to recover sdf? |
| 02:55.48 | jelly-home | nike: the array seems to be using 5 devices. |
| 02:56.08 | nike | jelly-home: It's definitely a 6 drive RAID-5 array |
| 02:56.19 | jelly-home | oh, I misread |
| 02:56.24 | pm2 | g00dtimes, I manually ran the sql query for sw@example.com - it returns two rows of sw@example.com and sw@vzw.blackberry.net |
| 02:56.27 | jelly-home | nike: then you're fucked already |
| 02:56.31 | nike | I've got sdb maybe dead, and sdf maybe overwritten |
| 02:56.32 | g00dtimes | pm2: also, hang a few "-v" off the end of the line in master.cf that contains the virtual definiton and then reload postfix |
| 02:56.43 | nike | jelly-home: What if it rebuilds with sdf? |
| 02:57.11 | nike | mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --run /dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 ?? |
| 02:57.13 | jelly-home | nike: s/rebuilds/assembles/? Some of the data might be crap. |
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| 02:57.46 | jelly-home | don't insist on --run, first see if it assembles at all |
| 02:59.19 | nike | jelly-home: Well okay, I will. But now I'm looking at incremental mode. |
| 02:59.19 | g00dtimes | pm2: can you post pgsql-virtual-mailbox.cf as well? |
| 02:59.32 | jelly-home | nike: there's nothing incremental to be done here. |
| 03:00.47 | nike | Not sure if I want to just do that instead of a straight assemble |
| 03:01.00 | pm2 | g00dtimes, certainly, one sec |
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| 03:01.10 | nike | ah okay, I just though that the test incremental mode does might be nice, but okay. |
| 03:01.15 | jelly-home | nike: it's the same thing |
| 03:01.25 | nike | You think I should just run the assemble command without sdb? |
| 03:01.27 | jelly-home | all of your non-bad device are online and connected |
| 03:01.38 | g00dtimes | pm2: first off, crank up the verbosity on virtual. next, resend a message. it looks like the lookup is returning >1 result, thus delivering it more than once. |
| 03:01.49 | jelly-home | nike: definitely, sdb is a) dead, and b) data on it is 2 months old |
| 03:01.53 | nike | It'll know it's RAID-5 and try and run the array without sdb etc. |
| 03:01.58 | g00dtimes | pm2: the logs should tell you more info once youve cranked up the logging |
| 03:02.12 | pm2 | g00dtimes, http://pastebin.com/m50534c9 is pgsql-virtual-mailboxes.cf |
| 03:02.28 | jelly-home | nike: then you'll have to deal with data and filesystem corruption you brought by overwriting the beginning of sdf |
| 03:02.59 | nike | jelly-home: You think mdadm will try and repair it but fail |
| 03:03.07 | nike | I don't want it writing any more |
| 03:03.14 | nike | just want to see if it can do this... |
| 03:03.18 | nike | without sdb |
| 03:03.27 | jelly-home | nike: there's nothing to repair wrt the array... you don't seem to have a spare device to add |
| 03:03.50 | nike | Well if it detects data mismatch on sdf....? |
| 03:03.59 | jelly-home | it won't |
| 03:04.14 | nike | okay then I guess I'll run the assemble command minus sdb? |
| 03:04.19 | jelly-home | nike: you've already gone without parity for 2 months. |
| 03:04.27 | nike | Yikes. |
| 03:04.30 | nike | okay... |
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| 03:05.24 | Atttelecom | Hey |
| 03:05.33 | Atttelecom | I just got a little problem here |
| 03:05.44 | Atttelecom | i can`t synchronize my ipod with amarok |
| 03:05.48 | Atttelecom | it crashes |
| 03:05.57 | nike | jelly-home: Just want to make sure... if I run the assemble command without sdb, mdadm will intelligently read the md superblock data right, and it'll know that it's a 6-drive RAID-5 array because that's what scanning sda1, sdc1, sdd1, etc. returns |
| 03:06.18 | nike | So it will know that sdb1 is missing and try and start it anyway with the other 5? |
| 03:06.36 | jelly-home | nike: Yes. You'll be assembling back a degraded array. |
| 03:07.32 | pm2 | g00dtimes, I'm getting quite a bit more output, but still not seeing why the loop is occurring. Here is a bit of the output: http://pastebin.com/m4c70d1d |
| 03:07.40 | nike | jelly-home: Okay well then I'm just going to run --assemble /dev/md0 with the 5 first partitions I can now see in /dev |
| 03:07.48 | nike | Unless you see a reason not too... |
| 03:08.50 | jelly-home | you don't have a block-image copy of your current disks, that's a reason not to do _anything_ that might write to them |
| 03:09.03 | g00dtimes | pm2: how is the message being submitted? |
| 03:10.23 | nike | jelly-home: Yeah but thats 5-6 disks to make a block-level copy of them. |
| 03:10.24 | pm2 | smtp from a 3-rd party mail server? Ie, my personal account on another system |
| 03:10.30 | nike | Each disk is 2TB |
| 03:10.41 | nike | There's no way I can afford that many more 2TB disks |
| 03:10.53 | nike | I can afford one more. |
| 03:11.02 | jelly-home | nike: borrow, beg, steal? |
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| 03:12.02 | g00dtimes | pm2: i dont see the log where the remote machien is connecting. |
| 03:12.03 | Devastator | jelly-home what's the best raid mode for you? |
| 03:12.10 | jelly-home | !best |
| 03:12.10 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 03:12.52 | Devastator | I'm just asking for an opinion :( |
| 03:12.54 | DogBoy | that factoid could use some work |
| 03:13.01 | DogBoy | it's not the "best" one |
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| 03:13.32 | Devastator | jelly-home performance with safety |
| 03:13.46 | jelly-home | Devastator: there's no way to answer such a vague question. It depends on your apps, your budget, your performance requests... |
| 03:14.18 | pm2 | g00dtimes, I chopped that part, let me grab it back... |
| 03:14.38 | jelly-home | DogBoy: it's not jsut best... it's Simply the Best. |
| 03:14.59 | DogBoy | k |
| 03:16.22 | Devastator | jelly-home do you want the whole story? I'm thinking about building a core2quad or core i5, 8gb of ram, 4 1tb hdds with 32mb of cache to be a webserver and make backups from network |
| 03:16.47 | g00dtimes | pm2: also, i'm seeing a bunch of "connect from" blackberry hosts.....it seems your blackberry is the cause of the loop. grep out "connect from" from your last log and you will see what i am talking about. |
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| 03:17.26 | g00dtimes | pm2: oddly enough, there are 9 "connect from" entries. |
| 03:17.58 | jelly-home | Devastator: eh, a typical webserver doesn't need TBs of disk. |
| 03:18.07 | pm2 | g00dtimes, yeah, I noticed that, but I'm having a hard time believing the problem is on their end... |
| 03:18.30 | DogBoy | heh, my web server runs off a 2 gig memory stick |
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| 03:19.03 | jelly-home | Devastator: use any raid you like and make backups, onsite and offsite, and verify that restore works every now and then. |
| 03:19.59 | Devastator | jelly-home it will host my company system, not a big database but.... |
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| 03:20.46 | pm2 | g00dtimes, here's the part where the message is first submitted: http://pastebin.com/m75f72304 |
| 03:20.53 | DogBoy | isn't it better to have separate machines for database and web server |
| 03:20.57 | FluxD | !wwsr |
| 03:20.57 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
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| 03:23.04 | pm2 | g00dtimes, If I take out the database record to forward to that blackberry email I don't get the duplication... any ideas why that might be? |
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| 03:23.35 | icebrain | DogBoy: stack overflow DB (compressed) is 500MB :P |
| 03:23.46 | icebrain | sorry, not DogBoy, Devastator |
| 03:24.22 | Devastator | currently mdb has about 50mb :P but I will be converting to SQL |
| 03:25.23 | g00dtimes | pm2: you postfix config looks good. from what i see, your messages arrives via smtpd, the lookup is performed, the messages then gets delivered, then the blackberry hosts connects back to you a total of 9 times. what happpens if you send the message directly to the blackberry hosts? |
| 03:25.25 | jelly-home | Devastator: use raid1, keep a hotspare disk. Unless you have lots of traffic, disks won't be a bottleneck. |
| 03:26.18 | Devastator | with raid1 I can use only 2 disks, right? |
| 03:26.26 | icebrain | !raid1 |
| 03:26.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, raid1 is a single mirrored raid with a minimum of two drives |
| 03:26.37 | jelly-home | Devastator: and use the fourth disk somewhere else... eg. for backups. |
| 03:27.22 | Devastator | I thought about raid10 because of performance, I have 2x500 Barracuda ES running sata1, but gives me about 120mb/s |
| 03:27.41 | Devastator | but raid0 only |
| 03:27.57 | jelly-home | Devastator: do you _need_ 120MB/s single thread read or write sustained? |
| 03:28.45 | Devastator | jelly-home no, but isn't it cool to have it? :( |
| 03:28.49 | jelly-home | Devastator: no |
| 03:29.00 | nike | jelly-home: new development. I tried the assemble command with the 5 partitions leaving out /dev/sdb1 and I immediately see my old logical volume at /dev/dmt/god |
| 03:29.56 | jelly-home | Devastator: it's cool to have working backups. If I had 4 huge disks to spend, I'd put two in a different machine, or external case, and put onsite backups on that |
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| 03:30.12 | nike | jelly-home: But when I run cryptsetup on /dev/dmt/god it returns the error: Command failed: Can not access device |
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| 03:30.34 | nike | jelly-home: Probably because /dev/dmt/ doesn't even exist, let alone /dev/dmt/god |
| 03:30.43 | jelly-home | nike: I have no idea about crypt* anything, sorry |
| 03:30.57 | nike | Well nevermind about cryptsetup, this is an LVM thing. |
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| 03:31.11 | nike | Why does lvdisplay show it, but there is no folder in /dev/? |
| 03:31.23 | Devastator | jelly-home yep.. you are right, it's probably better to play safe instead of performance unless needed |
| 03:32.47 | jelly-home | Devastator: optimize for performance _only_ when you see a real bottleneck. Then be sure to identify the actual cause and optimize that. No need to make a 2TB raid10 in advance, for a web server that's going to keep it's 1GB working set cached in RAM all the time anyway |
| 03:33.25 | nike | jelly-home: Know about LVM stuffs? ;-) |
| 03:33.42 | jelly-home | nike: I don't know about that. Have yo created the correct /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and updated the initramfs image? |
| 03:34.19 | nike | jelly-home: No, those are two things that are important to maintain data upon reboot. |
| 03:34.30 | nike | Right now I just want to see if I can even mount this logical volume. |
| 03:34.40 | jelly-home | nike: what are you waiting for? |
| 03:34.47 | nike | However, lvdisplay shows it exists but /dev/ doesn't have the right folder |
| 03:35.01 | nike | jelly-home: maybe vgchange? |
| 03:35.03 | jelly-home | nike: you want a reboot or power failure to start overwriting more of your data? |
| 03:35.32 | nike | jelly-home: How do I know my data is even there? |
| 03:35.52 | jelly-home | well, if you don't, contact a data recovery company |
| 03:36.09 | Devastator | jelly-home thanks! i will follow your advise |
| 03:36.46 | jelly-home | nike: I wouldn't skip steps that can cause _additional_ data loss to what's already happened, but YMMV |
| 03:39.16 | nike | jelly-home: omg |
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| 03:39.19 | nike | It worked |
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| 03:39.24 | pm2 | g00dtimes, Thanks your all your help - I got it fixed. Turns out the user went and configured his blackberry to forward mail BACK to the original mail server.... so now I have to kill him tomorrow :-) |
| 03:39.34 | nike | I ran "vgchange -a y" and then was able to see /dev/dmt/god in /dev/ |
| 03:39.41 | nike | and mounted it and I can see my data!!!! |
| 03:40.39 | jelly-home | nike: I wouldn't have mounted anything before a nondestructive fsck -f |
| 03:41.34 | jelly-home | then again, it seems your data isn't worth much to you |
| 03:42.52 | nike | jelly-home: No, I'm pretty sure I'm just not as 1337 as yo. |
| 03:43.05 | jelly-home | s/1337/careful/ |
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| 03:44.54 | kcj1993 | how do I get my wifi working? |
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| 03:46.01 | kcj1993 | hello? |
| 03:46.08 | abrotman | kcj1993: what kind of wifi card is it ? |
| 03:46.19 | jelly-home | nike: cheers, I'm gone now for reals. |
| 03:46.51 | abrotman | or don't share ... |
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| 03:47.20 | kcj1993 | Broadcom |
| 03:47.46 | abrotman | need more info ... |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | there are like 20 broadcom chipsets |
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| 03:48.29 | kcj1993 | is there any code i can run to get that info? |
| 03:48.34 | abrotman | lspci |
| 03:48.39 | abrotman | well .. lspci -nn |
| 03:49.27 | kcj1993 | 05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:49.40 | abrotman | the -nn helps also .. sorry i missed it the first time |
| 03:49.55 | abrotman | !tell kcj1993 about bcm4318 |
| 03:50.19 | abrotman | kcj1993: so, essentially, you plug in the wired connection .. get the package it wants you to get .. install the firmware, reboot |
| 03:50.29 | g00dtimes | pm2: thats what the logs said ;). glad you got it figured out. |
| 03:51.06 | kcj1993 | I'm rumming the live cd so I can reboot |
| 03:51.12 | kcj1993 | can'ty |
| 03:51.16 | kcj1993 | can't* |
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| 03:51.43 | tking | hi DEbiansqueeze when will you be released |
| 03:51.50 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 03:51.52 | abrotman | kcj1993: then you unload/reload the driver |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 03:51.58 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
| 03:52.06 | tking | abrotman, i kid :-) |
| 03:52.36 | kcj1993 | abrotman, how? |
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| 03:52.44 | abrotman | kcj1993: man modprobe |
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| 03:54.45 | kcj1993 | Um... |
| 03:54.47 | kcj1993 | user@debian:~$ modprobe b43 |
| 03:54.48 | kcj1993 | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 03:55.12 | icebrain | kcj1993: you have to be root |
| 03:55.17 | kcj1993 | oh |
| 03:55.19 | icebrain | kcj1993: run "su" first |
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| 03:58.15 | kcj1993 | cool, Wifi works |
| 03:58.58 | kcj1993 | why isn't firefox in the repos? |
| 03:59.07 | icebrain | kcj1993: it's called iceweasel |
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| 03:59.50 | icebrain | !why iceweasel |
| 03:59.50 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 03:59.51 | kcj1993 | why can I just have standard firefox? |
| 04:00.07 | kcj1993 | oh |
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| 04:00.25 | icebrain | kcj1993: but everything works, addons, etc |
| 04:00.30 | willluongo | icebrain: you can have the branded firefox, you just have to install it yourselfg |
| 04:00.32 | kcj1993 | so it's exactly the same? |
| 04:00.37 | willluongo | s/g// |
| 04:00.56 | willluongo | kcj1993: the user-agent is different, and there are differences and patches the debian maintainers make to it |
| 04:01.08 | willluongo | oops |
| 04:01.15 | willluongo | that was for kcj1993, not icebrain sorry |
| 04:01.32 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 04:02.22 | willluongo | kcj1993: http://www.deviceguru.com/adding-real-firefox-to-debian-lenny/ this works well |
| 04:02.30 | willluongo | assuming you are on 32bit |
| 04:02.39 | icebrain | willluongo: but why would he want to do that? |
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| 04:03.27 | willluongo | because he can? |
| 04:03.56 | willluongo | and some sites will say you are using an unsupported browser because of the user-agent string |
| 04:04.05 | willluongo | not to mention a newer release than what is in the repos |
| 04:04.41 | icebrain | willluongo: you can change iceweasel's user agent in about:config, afaik |
| 04:04.56 | willluongo | icebrain: that's true |
| 04:05.18 | willluongo | but open source is about choices, even if those choices aren't approved by the debian committee :) |
| 04:06.02 | icebrain | willluongo: sure, I'm not denying that |
| 04:06.32 | kcj1993 | hmm |
| 04:06.47 | kcj1993 | is there no repo I can add? |
| 04:07.08 | kcj1993 | for firefox |
| 04:07.11 | icebrain | kcj1993: for Firefox? not that I know of |
| 04:07.17 | kcj1993 | nuts |
| 04:07.43 | willluongo | I don't know of one either unfortunately |
| 04:07.56 | willluongo | I do think there are some .deb packages floating around though |
| 04:10.56 | kcj1993 | can I add the ubuntu repos? |
| 04:11.45 | icebrain | kcj1993: no! |
| 04:11.53 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 04:11.56 | kcj1993 | why not? |
| 04:12.13 | willluongo | You might be able to actually, just pin them so you have to explicitly install the package from that repo |
| 04:12.17 | willluongo | otherwise it will break things |
| 04:12.29 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 04:12.32 | kcj1993 | cool |
| 04:12.52 | kcj1993 | what do you mean by pin? |
| 04:13.00 | willluongo | something like |
| 04:13.21 | willluongo | deb http://NEWREPO/ nameyouwanttouse main contrib non-free |
| 04:13.38 | willluongo | iirc |
| 04:13.51 | kcj1993 | huh? |
| 04:14.06 | willluongo | do you know how to add repositories? |
| 04:14.16 | kcj1993 | I guess |
| 04:14.20 | tking | Does anyone have a cdkey gen and crack for debian 5.0 |
| 04:14.39 | willluongo | tking I don't think anyone has cracked it yet, but it is in the works |
| 04:14.46 | tking | damn :( |
| 04:15.33 | kcj1993 | so "deb http://NEWREPO/ nameyouwanttouse main contrib non-free" would "pin" it? |
| 04:16.03 | willluongo | assuming you replace NEWREPO and nameyouwanttouse with actual information yeahn |
| 04:16.07 | willluongo | so you would do something like |
| 04:16.17 | willluongo | apt-get install -t nameyouwanttouse firefox |
| 04:16.24 | willluongo | and it would only install the firefox from that specific repo |
| 04:16.39 | kcj1993 | oh, ok |
| 04:16.40 | willluongo | let me double check that I am telling you that correctly |
| 04:16.48 | willluongo | if I am not it could mess up your install |
| 04:17.59 | willluongo | I think you will also need an entry in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 04:18.53 | willluongo | because if you don't the ubuntu repos will just automatically use theirs |
| 04:19.01 | willluongo | for everything |
| 04:19.03 | willluongo | which would be bad |
| 04:19.14 | willluongo | It might be easier just to install a deb for firefox |
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| 04:19.44 | kcj1993 | but I would like it to update on it's own] |
| 04:19.49 | willluongo | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html has better explanations than me :) |
| 04:20.27 | manouch | in my authlog i have many many: |
| 04:20.27 | manouch | Jan 25 03:30:01 gloriabyte CRON[5982]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 04:20.27 | manouch | Jan 25 03:35:01 gloriabyte CRON[6461]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 04:20.46 | manouch | what does that mean? that someone have hacked my server? |
| 04:21.06 | willluongo | manouch: it looks like you have a cron opening a connection as root? |
| 04:21.13 | willluongo | what does crontab -L show you? |
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| 04:21.48 | manouch | -L is not a valid parameter |
| 04:21.55 | manouch | -l tells me, that there is just one cron... |
| 04:22.01 | manouch | 0 4 * * * |
| 04:22.08 | manouch | should be everyday at 4 o'clock |
| 04:22.13 | manouch | so nothing to worry i guess |
| 04:22.24 | willluongo | did you run that as root? |
| 04:22.35 | manouch | yes |
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| 04:23.53 | willluongo | is gloriabyte a user on your system? |
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| 04:24.09 | MariachiAC | I get an error when upgrading to suqeeze and the latest kernel when booting. Kernelthread_helper+0x7/0x10 What does this meann? |
| 04:24.30 | manouch | willluongo: it's my hostname |
| 04:24.42 | manouch | these root logins are every 5 minutes |
| 04:25.23 | willluongo | I have similar entries, but mine are hourly |
| 04:25.42 | butterball | Having a problem with user a in kde can I delete the info in the home directory and rerun things so the directory's recreat or would it be best to copy contents of user b to user a or even just delte user a then recreat user a? |
| 04:26.17 | willluongo | butterball: you can just move /home/USERNAME/.kde to /home/USERNAME/.kde.bak and it will get rebuilt |
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| 04:27.32 | kcj1993 | Can I use the debian live cd to backup my /home before I install debian? |
| 04:28.04 | butterball | willuongo ty |
| 04:28.15 | manouch | willluongo: okay... probably someone hacked you too :P |
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| 04:28.26 | willluongo | butterball: you are welcome |
| 04:28.30 | willluongo | manouch: :D |
| 04:28.52 | g00dtimes | kcj1993: sure |
| 04:28.56 | willluongo | kcj1993: yes |
| 04:28.59 | kcj1993 | how? |
| 04:29.11 | willluongo | kcj1993: you don't even need the live cd necessarily |
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| 04:29.18 | willluongo | did you put /home on its own partition? |
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| 04:29.32 | icebrain | willluongo: he's running the livecd |
| 04:29.33 | butterball | willuongo is this correct? omitting directory '.kde' |
| 04:29.35 | kcj1993 | of course |
| 04:29.48 | willluongo | butterball: what command did you use? |
| 04:29.54 | butterball | willuongo cp |
| 04:30.04 | willluongo | butterball: use mv |
| 04:30.12 | butterball | willuongo ty :) |
| 04:30.26 | kcj1993 | that last message was for willluongo |
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| 04:30.56 | willluongo | kcj1993: if /home is on its own partition, you can just install debian again if you need to, and make sure NOT to format your /home partition |
| 04:31.05 | willluongo | or am I misunderstanding what you are trying to do? |
| 04:31.54 | kcj1993 | I want to back it up just in case something goes wrong |
| 04:32.32 | willluongo | you can use rsync -avh to copy it to a different drive |
| 04:32.36 | willluongo | -avH rather |
| 04:32.39 | kcj1993 | and I may want to back up / as well |
| 04:32.53 | kcj1993 | can i "image" it? |
| 04:33.08 | willluongo | you can use dd to make an image of your whole hard drive |
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| 04:33.15 | willluongo | it will take up a fair amount of space :) |
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| 04:33.43 | kcj1993 | hmm |
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| 04:35.08 | kcj1993 | which file manager does debian use? |
| 04:35.54 | willluongo | depends on which window manager you use |
| 04:36.04 | tensorpudding | midnight commander, obviously |
| 04:36.22 | beardy | kcj1993: Any that you want to run. |
| 04:36.59 | beardy | I don't see the point of any when you have so many nice shells to choose from. |
| 04:37.11 | icebrain | yeah, you can even use Windows Explorer through wine :P |
| 04:37.22 | butterball | icebrain lol :) |
| 04:37.35 | kcj1993 | so no nautilus? |
| 04:37.40 | icebrain | kcj1993: sure |
| 04:37.43 | beardy | Of course. |
| 04:37.52 | beardy | !installit |
| 04:37.52 | icebrain | aptitude install nautilus |
| 04:37.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:38.09 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 04:38.11 | willluongo | kcj1993: Gnome uses nautilus by default |
| 04:38.38 | kcj1993 | debian is so strange |
| 04:38.52 | kcj1993 | it's not what I'm used to |
| 04:39.04 | beardy | It really is everything else that's strange. |
| 04:39.11 | beardy | Freedom takes getting used to. |
| 04:39.28 | icebrain | !freedom |
| 04:39.28 | dpkg | hmm... freedom is the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
| 04:40.03 | butterball | I like that statement! |
| 04:40.31 | Teratogen | that's from Repo Man, right? |
| 04:42.24 | tking | !slavery |
| 04:42.27 | icebrain | Teratogen: not according to imdb quotes, but I wouldn't bet on them |
| 04:42.44 | icebrain | tking: nope, no factoid |
| 04:42.56 | thaostra | i would be willing to sacrifice some freedom for a well-structured society |
| 04:43.07 | tking | same here |
| 04:43.16 | tking | but it has to be a loss I don't care about |
| 04:43.20 | kcj1993 | holy crap, suspend works! |
| 04:43.34 | icebrain | kcj1993: sure, why wouldn't it? :P |
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| 04:43.39 | icebrain | !it works |
| 04:43.39 | dpkg | Now that's something good to hear about. |
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| 04:44.44 | thaostra | with total freedom, we really would be no better than any other animal, as they all live in a state of anarchy |
| 04:45.13 | icebrain | !anarchy |
| 04:45.13 | dpkg | methinks anarchy is the single best way to live and work.... take KDE for example. |
| 04:45.17 | icebrain | eheh |
| 04:45.39 | thaostra | or linux, as it is the embodiment of chaos, at least compared to the BSDs |
| 04:45.40 | tking | but we are moral agents with free will, freedom isn't the absence of power structures |
| 04:45.46 | kcj1993 | icebrain: suspend didn't work for me in ubuntu 9.10 |
| 04:45.50 | thaostra | uh huh |
| 04:46.48 | icebrain | kcj1993: from my sample of 3 computers, I can say that 100% of ubuntu installations are broken |
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| 04:47.09 | willluongo | 9.10 is pretty rough :( |
| 04:47.38 | kcj1993 | yea they broke ubuntu |
| 04:47.40 | nsadmin | greater than 100% of ubuntu installations are a lotta computers... |
| 04:47.43 | thaostra | ubuntu worked fine for all of my computers, so in my experience 100% of ubuntu installations work dandy |
| 04:48.06 | icebrain | !statistics |
| 04:48.06 | dpkg | i heard statistics is a way of measuring something with numbers. http://feayn.org/~lewis/statistics.jpg |
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| 04:48.58 | kcj1993 | did you know that one in four people make up 25% of the population |
| 04:49.07 | thaostra | nope |
| 04:49.46 | simonrvn | did you know that you're off-topic? |
| 04:49.56 | kcj1993 | sort of |
| 04:50.29 | SolarisBoy | earthlings and their topics |
| 04:51.14 | nolimitsoya | is cpu frequency scaling supposed to work out of the box with the laptop kit selected during install? |
| 04:51.35 | nolimitsoya | it doesnt at all on my via c7 machine |
| 04:51.36 | kcj1993 | during the installation when it asks what i want to install "desktop, laptop, etc..." what does that mean? |
| 04:51.40 | nsadmin | kcj1993 and the birth rate is one/person |
| 04:51.49 | beardy | !task |
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| 04:52.53 | beardy | kcj1993: Well.. it means that you have the option to install one or more "Tasks", which are collections of packages chosen to fulfill a purpose, for example, Desktop, contains, among others, the two big "desktop environments" KDE and GNOME. |
| 04:53.20 | simonrvn | !tasksel |
| 04:53.20 | dpkg | i guess tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 04:53.28 | kcj1993 | so I should go for "laptop"? |
| 04:53.39 | beardy | kcj1993: It's optional, and you can install the particular packages you want afterwards instead. But for some people and situations it's good. |
| 04:53.41 | kcj1993 | seeing as I'm on a laptop |
| 04:54.00 | nolimitsoya | kcj1993, select both laptop and desktop. |
| 04:54.13 | kcj1993 | why? |
| 04:54.32 | nolimitsoya | you want a desktop environment. you dont want just a terminal, do you? |
| 04:54.41 | beardy | Why not? |
| 04:54.57 | nolimitsoya | beardy, not biting. |
| 04:55.00 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 04:55.10 | icebrain | beardy: because then we can't watch youtube videos of people falling :| |
| 04:55.11 | beardy | nolimitsoya: Then don't haul it out either. |
| 04:55.48 | kcj1993 | can I use notify-osd in debian? |
| 04:55.55 | icebrain | kcj1993: yes |
| 04:56.03 | MariachiAC | How do you fix a broken kernel? My system won't boot. It says kernel_helper_thread+010x/07x. |
| 04:56.34 | icebrain | kcj1993: ops, wait. notify-osd is not in stable release |
| 04:56.34 | beardy | MariachiAC: Which kernel, why is it "broken"? |
| 04:57.09 | kcj1993 | has to eat now |
| 04:57.18 | MariachiAC | beardy: kernel 2.6.32-trunk from squeeze. I updated it and the system won't boot now. |
| 04:59.27 | willluongo | MariachiAC: does it give you any error messages? |
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| 05:01.32 | MariachiAC | willluongo: Yes it says kernel_helper_thread+010x/07x It stays at that message. |
| 05:01.48 | nsadmin | what does it do (exactly, step by step) instead of boot? |
| 05:02.52 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: Hmmm... I'll have ot ask for sited assistance. I just booted, it started finding usb devices, mounting file systems, then the message came up that i previously posted came up and it stoptt from tehre. |
| 05:03.54 | nsadmin | what happens when you try booting your original kernel |
| 05:05.40 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: I can boot into that one fine. |
| 05:06.12 | nsadmin | 'ok, what reason did you switch kernels? |
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| 05:08.28 | MariachiAC | nsadmin I jsut updated my system in squeeze and it caused the bug. |
| 05:09.17 | nsadmin | by causing the kernel to be installed? |
| 05:09.26 | MariachiAC | nsadmin Yes. |
| 05:10.19 | nsadmin | so far, it seems like your original kernel is ok... but you might explore why squeeze is using the newer ones... |
| 05:10.45 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: I'll look into it. thank you. |
| 05:15.13 | simonrvn | USING |
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| 06:21.56 | fib3r | Donate skills and hardware to rebuild an open source Haiti today: http://linuxcharity.webuda.com |
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| 06:23.25 | ramindia | hi any one around i hve quick question |
| 06:23.30 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 06:23.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 06:24.00 | ramindia | ok got it.. |
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| 06:24.50 | Supaplex | uucp: didn't uucp die in like the 80s? |
| 06:25.00 | Supaplex | wait. early 90s. |
| 06:25.06 | ramindia | i have problem with chvt 3 on post installation,after chvt3 iam runnning software make and install and then i want to switch back to chvt1, it says in chvt all done switching to chvt1, but its not moving to chvt1 |
| 06:26.05 | Supaplex | post install of what? while installing what? |
| 06:26.26 | ramindia | automated CD installation |
| 06:27.51 | ramindia | its automated un attendant installation |
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| 06:29.25 | dbbolton | i need help troubleshooting why the printer on my cups server isn't visible to a client |
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| 06:30.47 | ramindia | i did like this %post exec < /dev/tty3 > /dev/tty3 chvt 3 tar -zxvf bbb.tar.gx cd bbb ./configure make&make install chvt1 |
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| 06:47.57 | echosystm | im having a hell of a time trying toget sendmail to work |
| 06:48.16 | echosystm | i did apt-get install sendmail, followed by sendmailconfig |
| 06:48.33 | echosystm | put /usr/sbin/sendmail in php.ini |
| 06:48.37 | echosystm | and still no go |
| 06:48.41 | echosystm | any ideas? |
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| 06:58.42 | dondelelcaro | 121 |
| 07:01.34 | inv_arp | created a live usb.. on my 256mb drive .. want to re-use the usb stick but now Linux/fdisk sees it as a 67mb drive.. |
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| 07:11.44 | nike | http://pastebin.ca/1764883 |
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| 07:54.18 | fr3ak | Hi all, 2.6.30 #1 SMP and am hitting this ksoftirqd/0 100% of one core problem on a brand new freshly installed server, how do I start debugging it? |
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| 07:56.42 | fr3ak | IO-APIC-edge timer seems to be the only thing on CPU/IRQ 0 |
| 07:57.02 | fr3ak | 422756 according to /proc/interrupts |
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| 07:59.53 | naquad | where can i find info on installing debian from usb stick? |
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| 08:14.23 | cheako | Pulling my hair out. I have all the gadgets and devices psp/cellphone and they all use exotic media formats and have strict rules. |
| 08:14.58 | WormFood | how is that a problem cheako? |
| 08:15.06 | cheako | I can't find a guide anywhere on how to mangle data from one format to another so it will work. |
| 08:15.16 | WormFood | be more specific |
| 08:15.26 | cheako | My latest project is to get this ringtone I've made working. |
| 08:15.30 | WormFood | I never have to mangle MP3s |
| 08:15.47 | WormFood | how is that related to debian? |
| 08:16.02 | cheako | WormFood: It's funny. my phone can play mp3s... but not as a ringtone apparently. |
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| 08:16.29 | cheako | WormFood: Where else would this be asked? |
| 08:16.58 | WormFood | I don't know...but it is off-topic here |
| 08:16.58 | cheako | Audacity ffmpeg and perhaps sox are part of the problem... ohh and avidemux. |
| 08:17.26 | WormFood | if you're trying to make videos for that kinda stuff, you'd want to use handbrake |
| 08:17.39 | fr3ak | You'll answer that but not my question that IS related to debian? :) |
| 08:18.13 | WormFood | fr3ak, I didn't see your question |
| 08:18.35 | cheako | Unable to create ghb. |
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| 08:19.43 | Zbyshek | How can enigmail can depends as well as conflicts on icedove? How can I install it then? |
| 08:20.06 | hackel | I'm trying to debootstrap sid into a user directory using fakechroot...anyone managed to accomplish this? My biggest issue is that when I run "ldconfig" it seems to run *outside* the chroot for some reason... |
| 08:20.48 | WormFood | Zbyshek, pastebin your output |
| 08:21.57 | Zbyshek | WormFood: I don't have output, that is in aptitude... |
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| 08:22.23 | WormFood | so it telepathically sent this message to you? |
| 08:22.41 | Zbyshek | WormFood: aptitude show enigmail and see depends and conflicts |
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| 08:23.02 | lvh | hello |
| 08:23.43 | Zbyshek | WormFood: no, this is not error message... in this case I have something like this I don't have to ask here |
| 08:24.03 | fr3ak | WormFood: Basically ksoftirqd is using 100% of CPU0 (8cores total) have worked out that the smp_afinity for IRQ0 must be set to Core0 only, the APIC timer is what is causing the interrupts (over 400,000) but I can't write to /proc/irq/o0/smp_affinity to change the value |
| 08:24.10 | lvh | anyone know if you can get the data off of VirtualBox virtual disk files (vdi files) in some app-agnostic format? |
| 08:24.33 | lvh | I'd like to install debian into a VM, and copy it onto my box when I'm happy with it. VM preferably being virtualbox here |
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| 08:25.12 | tensorpudding | you can probably export the image as raw |
| 08:26.08 | tensorpudding | maybe vditool |
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| 08:26.22 | rumpsy | is it possible to switch between kernels , without restart or while working in system |
| 08:26.45 | tensorpudding | eh, that only seems to convert other images to VDI images |
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| 08:27.27 | tensorpudding | qemu-img can convert some types of formats |
| 08:27.36 | lvh | tensorpudding: yeah, I had found vditool already but indeed AFAIK it only *produces* those images |
| 08:28.22 | tensorpudding | unfortunately qemu-img can't convert vdi images |
| 08:28.26 | tensorpudding | bah! |
| 08:28.40 | lvh | I'm also somewhat appaled by the complete lack of docs regarding vditool |
| 08:28.56 | lvh | if googling for it results in 10 blog posts first, you've seriously messed up the google-fu :-) |
| 08:29.40 | tensorpudding | wait, hmm |
| 08:29.55 | tensorpudding | a qemu article claims that vditool can convert vdi images to raw |
| 08:30.12 | lvh | wait, I've figured it out: vditool is called VBoxManage now |
| 08:30.24 | lvh | VBoxManage clonehd <uuid>|<filename> <outputfile> [--format VDI|VMDK|VHD|RAW|<other>] |
| 08:30.28 | lvh | from the --help looks promising |
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| 08:30.51 | tensorpudding | VBoxManage internalcommands converttoraw file.vdi file.raw |
| 08:30.54 | tensorpudding | supposedly will do it |
| 08:31.23 | lvh | awesome, thanks :-) |
| 08:33.16 | Zbyshek | ok, never mind. I found what works |
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| 09:11.49 | Desiac | im converting my server from cent back to debian, running s/ware based raid 5. i need to maintain 1 of my array's. when i start the debian install it detects my disks and shows each partition on the disks as raid. if i choose to delete my other partitions, will md / debian be able to detect and maintain my array? any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thnx |
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| 09:35.12 | ethanol | WormFood: no, you are stupid. |
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| 09:39.04 | WormFood | based on what? |
| 09:40.47 | rumpsy | Hey indians, i wish you advance "Happy Republic Day" |
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| 09:42.38 | ethanol | WormFood: in reply to your message on jan 21. :x |
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| 09:43.23 | gnarface | hello people |
| 09:43.34 | gnarface | i have a mouse button issue and i'd like some advise |
| 09:43.41 | gnarface | sorry, advice& |
| 09:43.49 | gnarface | my thumb button used to paste |
| 09:43.52 | gnarface | it doesn't anymore |
| 09:43.59 | WormFood | ethanol, and, you didn't answer my question. I know what I said |
| 09:44.16 | jelly | WormFood, ethanol: can you two keep that in private? |
| 09:44.35 | gnarface | does anyone know how far back i have to set what version of what (xorg? xmodmap? e16?) to get the previous behavior back? or is it easier just to change |
| 09:44.38 | WormFood | gnarface, was your thumb button the middle button? |
| 09:45.08 | ethanol | WormFood: security through obscurity is lame and only defies the standardization of the assigned ports. it is not good practice ): |
| 09:45.09 | WormFood | or, equal to the middle mouse click? |
| 09:45.16 | gnarface | WormFood: negative. that's the part i don't get. middle-mouse-click is still distinct |
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| 09:45.44 | gnarface | i'm using e16, and there is a different desktop menu for each button |
| 09:45.47 | gnarface | i double checked them |
| 09:45.49 | gnarface | they have not changed |
| 09:45.58 | WormFood | ethanol, it does not provide any kind of security, nor did I suggest moving the port would provide any security |
| 09:46.24 | eagles0513875_ | ethanol: how do i go about configuring bind9 on lenny? |
| 09:46.52 | ethanol | mkay, perhaps I misread your comment then. you raised the impression it would in your opinion. |
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| 09:46.57 | gordonjcp | ethanol: disagree ;-) |
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| 09:47.04 | ethanol | eagles0513875_: google has plenty of solutions for that :> |
| 09:47.06 | WormFood | I simply suggest moving ssh to a non-standard port, to stop, or slow down the script kiddies from TRYING to brute force your server...hopefully you have good password security in place |
| 09:47.26 | gordonjcp | ethanol: particularly for SSH it's a good idea to run a non-standard port |
| 09:47.35 | ethanol | wouldn't you want to know about such attempts rather? identify the culprit and deal with it accordingly. |
| 09:47.40 | ethanol | moving ssh is bad. :< |
| 09:48.11 | jelly | ethanol: identifying thousands of botnet ips is a bit of a task |
| 09:48.18 | WormFood | I think most people would agree that moving SSH is not a bad idea |
| 09:48.25 | eagles0513875_ | im looking at the debian wiki and its not mentioned on how to set it up |
| 09:48.32 | ethanol | then most people are ignorant ): |
| 09:48.35 | jelly | I refuse to move the port on general principles. |
| 09:48.47 | eagles0513875_ | ethanol: ha speaking of botnets and security hehe talking about security in my database classes |
| 09:48.51 | eagles0513875_ | class im in now |
| 09:48.58 | ethanol | eagles0513875_: try this http://www.thinkdebian.org/archives/343 |
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| 09:49.01 | WormFood | ethanol, what makes you think moving the port is a bad idea? |
| 09:49.04 | eagles0513875_ | how would one go about changing the port of ssh |
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| 09:49.20 | ethanol | WormFood: because it's nothing more but security through obscurity. period. |
| 09:49.39 | ethanol | eagles0513875_: modify the config of sshd |
| 09:50.03 | eagles0513875_ | humm |
| 09:50.08 | eagles0513875_ | ok |
| 09:50.10 | jelly | ethanol: there's nothing wrong with security by obscurity, though |
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| 09:50.25 | WormFood | what security does moving it provide? |
| 09:50.26 | WormFood | you think I'm gonna run it with a blank root password because I moved the port? |
| 09:50.30 | ethanol | it's a lame practice and obfuscates a system |
| 09:50.45 | gnarface | WormFood: i had this line in my xorg.conf that fixed it a long time ago that's why i'm confused that it's not working anymore: Option "ButtonMapping" "1 8 3 2 4 5" |
| 09:50.49 | ethanol | WormFood: none that would justify moving it, indeed. |
| 09:51.02 | eagles0513875_ | jelly: if you want added security on ur network why not implement iptables with snort intrusion detection and disable the root account and use sudo instead |
| 09:51.33 | WormFood | jelly, nothing wrong, except the fact it is not really security |
| 09:51.33 | WormFood | you don't move it for security, you move it for other reasons. |
| 09:51.48 | ethanol | the reasons don't justify the means though |
| 09:51.52 | ethanol | in my opinion at least |
| 09:52.07 | ethanol | I just set ssh to port 22, iplock, done. |
| 09:52.11 | jelly | eagles0513875_: been there, done that, snort is full of false positives, and sudo has no advantages |
| 09:52.25 | gnarface | anyone out there still using a logitech mouseman dual optical? |
| 09:53.40 | krion | hi |
| 09:54.24 | WormFood | if you like to see 10,000 script kiddies try to brute force your server, go for it...it lowers my bandwidth because they see there is no ssh (on the normal port), and move on |
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| 09:56.28 | ethanol | like I said, I find an iplock to be far more effective than moving the port |
| 09:56.40 | ethanol | anyone else trying to reach port 22 will just get dropped |
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| 10:03.07 | gnarface | so like my thumb button (#8, not number 1, 2 or 3) stopped pasting |
| 10:03.26 | gnarface | i know middle-click is supposed to be for pasting |
| 10:03.29 | gnarface | (it works still) |
| 10:03.39 | gnarface | but i had thumb-button pasting and can't figure out how |
| 10:03.58 | gnarface | can anyone tell me where i might have configured that? it must have been so long ago... |
| 10:04.10 | gnarface | or was there a change? in xorg or xmodmap? |
| 10:04.52 | gordonjcp | ethanol: sorry, was in a meeting |
| 10:05.14 | gordonjcp | ethanol: well, if you pop your SSH port onto (say) 8022 then you're less likely to get intrusion attempts |
| 10:05.20 | gordonjcp | ethanol: and they will be logged *anyway* |
| 10:05.55 | gordonjcp | ethanol: do bear in mind that I'm not saying that should be the *only* security, just that it's a useful extra thing to have |
| 10:05.59 | ethanol | gordonjcp: I like to stick to defaults. and again, I prefer to manage my ports with iptables, not by adjusting services. |
| 10:06.07 | gordonjcp | ethanol: meh |
| 10:06.14 | gordonjcp | ethanol: I like to lock my car |
| 10:06.25 | gordonjcp | ethanol: but, I also like to park it round the back of the house out of sight |
| 10:06.46 | ethanol | yeah see, that doesn't work over here :< |
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| 10:07.35 | gordonjcp | ethanol: that's not to say I don't get people having a poke at sshd on port 8022, but it's a lot less frequent than when it's on 22 |
| 10:07.51 | gordonjcp | and I suppose it depends where "here" is |
| 10:09.02 | ethanol | holland |
| 10:09.11 | ethanol | not many people get to park their car behind their house here |
| 10:09.12 | ethanol | :> |
| 10:11.58 | gordonjcp | ethanol: ah, I live on a farm in Scotland |
| 10:12.35 | gordonjcp | ethanol: what's the SSH equivalent of having shotguns and dogs? |
| 10:13.17 | ethanol | a botnet and an auto ddos script on failed login attempts? =D |
| 10:13.20 | willluongo | a honeypot? |
| 10:13.22 | eagles0513875_ | ? |
| 10:13.31 | eagles0513875_ | whats up with botnet discussion lol |
| 10:13.34 | gnarface | teergrubing? |
| 10:14.12 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:15.44 | gordonjcp | gnarface: teergrubing would be the bloody awful mess that the recent weather conditions have left the road in |
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| 10:16.49 | gnarface | hah |
| 10:16.54 | kcj1993 | this sucks! |
| 10:17.37 | themill | kcj1993: no, your ability to ask questions, read instructions and interact with real people who are volunteering to help you is what sucks. |
| 10:17.47 | gnarface | can anyone tell me how to make my thumb button paste again? i swear i didn't change the button orders something else changed in an upgrade |
| 10:18.01 | kcj1993 | I tried to install debian 5 and it took 3 #$#@ing hours and failed! |
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| 10:18.28 | Slydder | morning all |
| 10:18.46 | Snadder | Anyone know how to set up quota on dirs in an effective way.. need 4000 diffrent dirs with quota on each of them. |
| 10:19.30 | kcj1993 | not only did it fail, I don't have my ubuntu install anymore because it was formatted! |
| 10:19.33 | jelly | Snadder: for shell users? You can't have quota on paths, just quota for users and/or groups. |
| 10:20.07 | gnarface | kcj1993: never use the unstable installer. |
| 10:20.14 | Snadder | jelly, quota on mysql users actually |
| 10:20.28 | jelly | kcj1993: sounds like a successful shot in the foot. |
| 10:20.32 | kcj1993 | 5 is unstable? |
| 10:20.32 | Slydder | have a bit of a problem with dh_shlibdeps while rebuilding a package. I issue the following in the rules file and still get a packaging error that the lib can't be found. dh_shlibdeps -Llibmysqlclient16 -ldebian/libmysqlclient16/opt/planetic/mysql51/lib |
| 10:20.54 | Snadder | jelly, ok.. then I just need to add an user for each mysql database... |
| 10:20.57 | jelly | Snadder: I've only seen patches for mysql server that implement that. |
| 10:21.14 | Slydder | the lib is there and is found by the other packages but errors out on 1 package |
| 10:21.16 | themill | kcj1993: at least you can restore from your backups |
| 10:21.25 | rumpsy | what i have to install to run 64bit app in 32 bit |
| 10:21.27 | jelly | Snadder: that won't work, mysqld doesn't use unix users. |
| 10:21.27 | kcj1993 | I was looking forward to running debian |
| 10:21.41 | Snadder | jelly, isnt it just to store the mysql data file in its own directory |
| 10:21.48 | kcj1993 | i don't have backups of / |
| 10:21.56 | jelly | Snadder: sorry? |
| 10:21.59 | rumpsy | it is a lib file i can't remember, what is that |
| 10:22.04 | Snadder | jelly, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-setting-up-mysql-database-quotas.html |
| 10:22.20 | kcj1993 | it only takes about and hour to reinstall and configure ubuntu |
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| 10:22.45 | sepult | but not when you have ~9000 packages !!! |
| 10:23.16 | jelly | Snadder: oh, that's nice if mysqld supports it. |
| 10:23.30 | kcj1993 | so what the hell do I do now, I still want to run debian |
| 10:23.36 | kcj1993 | ? |
| 10:24.06 | petemc | change your attitude |
| 10:24.13 | kcj1993 | me? |
| 10:24.22 | themill | kcj1993: seeing as how our ESP-over-IRC isn't working too well today, you'd have to tell us in what way the installer failed for us to be able to provide you with any advice. |
| 10:24.33 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 10:24.48 | willluongo | kcj1993: 5 isn't unstable |
| 10:24.56 | willluongo | Lenny is the current stable release |
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| 10:25.25 | Snadder | jelly, it dosnt support it.. You have to use links from /var/lib/mysql to diffrent dirs.. but as long as you can direct me to how to set up quota for users.. then it will work :-) |
| 10:25.35 | kcj1993 | It finished downloading the packages and then..... Nothing, it just stoped! |
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| 10:26.00 | Snadder | jelly, I mean.. it dosnt officially support it.. I belive. |
| 10:27.02 | gnarface | all i ever wanted |
| 10:27.07 | gnarface | was to be able to paste with my mouse button |
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| 10:27.12 | gnarface | the thumb one |
| 10:27.44 | kcj1993 | what do I do now? |
| 10:27.50 | jelly | Snadder: the links are not important at all for that method. You may as well chown the files in their place in /var, and set up groups and group quotas for that filesystem. |
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| 10:28.36 | kcj1993 | :( |
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| 10:28.52 | jelly | Snadder: I'd suggest reading mysql docs to see whether that kind of setup is supported and what can go wrong. |
| 10:29.07 | willluongo | kcj1993: you can reinstall ubuntu over it without wiping the /home directory |
| 10:29.21 | willluongo | or you can install debian over it without wiping your /home directory |
| 10:29.51 | themill | kcj1993: you can complete the base installation without downloading any packages at all. And it most definitely does not take 3 hours to complete. |
| 10:30.19 | kcj1993 | I have a slow internet connection |
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| 10:30.29 | kcj1993 | so yes, 3h |
| 10:30.33 | themill | kcj1993: you can complete the base installation without downloading any packages at all. And it most definitely does not take 3 hours to complete. |
| 10:31.04 | kcj1993 | from the netinstall disk? |
| 10:31.12 | themill | yes |
| 10:31.19 | kcj1993 | how? |
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| 10:31.42 | MrDusty | Hey guys, when i do an upgrade i get the following: http://codepad.org/gbi2uacm - no tusre how to fix this and update? |
| 10:31.44 | eagles0513875_ | is confused at this step of setting up bind :( |
| 10:31.58 | willluongo | what step is that eagles0513875_ |
| 10:32.04 | Snadder | jelly, ok.. I'll check mysql documetation.. but how do I set up quota for groups/users? |
| 10:32.07 | eagles0513875_ | bind9 dns |
| 10:32.26 | eagles0513875_ | MrDusty: run dpkg --reconfigure -a |
| 10:32.35 | kcj1993 | does the base install have a gui? |
| 10:32.40 | themill | MrDusty: you need to upgrade both kernel and udev at the same time |
| 10:32.56 | eagles0513875_ | willluongo: http://www.thinkdebian.org/archives/343 the step adding a new zone step |
| 10:33.10 | jelly | !tell Snadder about quota |
| 10:33.52 | willluongo | what help do you need eagles0513875_ ? |
| 10:34.12 | eagles0513875_ | i think i figured it out willluongo :) thanks for the offer |
| 10:34.20 | eagles0513875_ | ill hit you up if its not working |
| 10:34.35 | jelly | eagles0513875_: you'll have to ask the department of redundancy department! |
| 10:34.43 | eagles0513875_ | ? |
| 10:34.49 | eagles0513875_ | jelly: u ok ? |
| 10:35.01 | kcj1993 | themill, how? |
| 10:35.04 | jelly | eagles0513875_: yes. You asked about "the step adding a new zone step" |
| 10:35.29 | eagles0513875_ | i figured it out had to re read the discription about 3 times then it hit me |
| 10:35.42 | willluongo | :D grats eagles0513875_ |
| 10:36.06 | ethanol | eagles0513875_: whas that guide of any use? |
| 10:36.25 | eagles0513875_ | ethanol: ya it is :) slowly setting up the master ns atm |
| 10:36.25 | kcj1993 | is this channel logged? |
| 10:36.27 | rumpsy | i'm afraid of installing PAE kernel for my pentium 4 cpu, 32-bit |
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| 10:36.34 | ethanol | eagles0513875_: ok nice :) |
| 10:36.41 | themill | kcj1993: /topic |
| 10:36.49 | rumpsy | will it meet with trouble? |
| 10:36.57 | eagles0513875_ | knowing my luck but i hope not i will get it working just off the bat |
| 10:37.10 | themill | kcj1993: at the tasksel stage, don't select anything other than "standard" and you will complete the installation without downloading anything further. |
| 10:37.26 | kcj1993 | :) |
| 10:37.41 | kcj1993 | but will it have a gui? |
| 10:37.42 | jelly | rumpsy: no |
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| 10:37.57 | rumpsy | jelly: What do you mean no? |
| 10:38.06 | rumpsy | Can i install it ! |
| 10:38.09 | eagles0513875_ | rumpsy: you said will it meet with trouble and he responded no |
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| 10:38.41 | jelly | rumpsy: I assume you mean the usual -686-bigmem flavor. I don't foresee any worse trouble than with any other installing of a fresh kernel. |
| 10:39.35 | rumpsy | yes, BIGMEM flavour, will it work fine with 32 bit pocessor |
| 10:39.43 | rumpsy | yes, BIGMEM flavour, will it work fine with 32 bit processor |
| 10:39.46 | kcj1993 | ??? |
| 10:39.54 | themill | dpkg, squeeze udev is <reply>As of udev 150 in squeeze, a linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. |
| 10:39.54 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 10:39.55 | gnarface | do window managers usually control mouse clipboard access or is that something that is independent? |
| 10:39.57 | ethanol | rumpsy: no need to repeat. |
| 10:40.03 | rumpsy | okay |
| 10:40.05 | MrDusty | anyone ? |
| 10:40.12 | themill | MrDusty: look at what I just told dpkg. |
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| 10:40.53 | Slydder | have a bit of a problem with dh_shlibdeps while rebuilding a package. I issue the following in the rules file and still get a packaging error that the lib can't be found. dh_shlibdeps -Llibmysqlclient16 -ldebian/libmysqlclient16/opt/planetic/mysql51/lib but libmysqlclient.so.16 is there and found by the other packages. any ideas? |
| 10:41.03 | jelly | rumpsy: it's _made for_ 32bit processors. What's your point? |
| 10:41.11 | kcj1993 | themill, gui? yes|no |
| 10:41.17 | MrDusty | themill: how do i install kerel + udev at the same time |
| 10:41.35 | rumpsy | i thought that it was for 64-bit processor |
| 10:41.43 | themill | kcj1993: what? Ask a real question that we have a chance of answering. |
| 10:41.52 | rumpsy | Okay, fine, i'll install that |
| 10:41.53 | ethanol | MrDusty: just install kernel first, reboot, install udev, easiest way :> |
| 10:41.59 | rumpsy | :) |
| 10:42.01 | MrDusty | ethanol: it says that will break ! |
| 10:42.08 | ethanol | 'it' ? |
| 10:42.11 | themill | MrDusty: if you have the linux-image-686 package installed (or -amd64 or whatever) then "aptitude upgrade" should have worked. |
| 10:42.16 | jelly | rumpsy: just read the description of the package. |
| 10:42.20 | kcj1993 | themill, does the base install have a gui? |
| 10:42.29 | themill | kcj1993: the installer or the installed system? |
| 10:42.29 | rumpsy | okay, i'll |
| 10:42.33 | ethanol | MrDusty: that's how I went from lenny to squeeze. installed kernel image. reboot, install udev (and remaining updates) |
| 10:42.47 | gnarface | if you already have a module directory matching the same kernel version installed it will probably warn you it will break unless you reboot immediately following the upgrade |
| 10:42.55 | gnarface | it might be a good idea to back up said module directory first |
| 10:42.56 | gnarface | just in case |
| 10:43.00 | themill | MrDusty: there's a bug in the udev postinst script that doesn't understand the current "-trunk-" in the kernel ABI description from uname -r. |
| 10:43.25 | jelly | themill: that sounds somehow familiar |
| 10:43.27 | gnarface | themill: how does this bug manifest itself? |
| 10:43.49 | kcj1993 | "themill> kcj1993: at the tasksel stage, don't select anything other than "standard" and you will complete the installation without downloading anything further." when I do that will I have a gui? |
| 10:43.49 | gnarface | by saying it's not gonna work? |
| 10:43.57 | MrDusty | themill: mail, ok, ill install the kernel, reboot and upgrade |
| 10:43.58 | MrDusty | thanks |
| 10:44.03 | themill | gnarface: see MrDusty's paste |
| 10:44.24 | themill | MrDusty: yeah, make sure that you actually have 2.6.30 or 2.6.32 installed first :) |
| 10:44.49 | gnarface | i installed 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 but i don't recall having a problem with udev? |
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| 10:45.04 | MrDusty | thaks |
| 10:45.05 | themill | gnarface: it's the other way around |
| 10:45.27 | kcj1993 | hello? |
| 10:45.34 | themill | dpkg: tell kcj1993 about patience |
| 10:45.48 | gnarface | oh |
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| 10:46.04 | themill | kcj1993: you're not the only person here, and since you're the most annoying, I'd prefer to answer other people first... |
| 10:46.15 | themill | kcj1993: no. But once you've actually got an installed system, then you can install it more easily and it's easier for people here to debug a running system rather than the installer. |
| 10:46.32 | eagles0513875_ | goes chugging along on setting up first name server |
| 10:46.43 | gnarface | themill: ah, got it |
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| 10:48.51 | kcj1993 | themill, I don't think you understand, I just want to know it the "standard" install has gnome installed. |
| 10:49.13 | ethanol | kcj1993: if you want a gui, install desktop |
| 10:49.14 | themill | kcj1993: no. But once you've actually got an installed system, then you can install it more easily and it's easier for people here to debug a running system rather than the installer. |
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| 10:50.11 | gnarface | so can anyone tell me how to fix my mouse? |
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| 10:50.16 | gnarface | it used to work |
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| 10:51.27 | gnarface | :( |
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| 10:52.56 | eagles0513875_ | whats wrong gnarface |
| 10:53.38 | gnarface | eagles0513875_: my thumb-button stopped pasting |
| 10:53.40 | gnarface | :( |
| 10:54.01 | gnarface | my carefully-constructed buttonmap (years ago) seems not to be the problem |
| 10:54.03 | gnarface | it hasn't changed |
| 10:54.07 | gnarface | i carefully monitor my xorg.conf |
| 10:54.11 | gnarface | what else might have changed? |
| 10:54.18 | gnarface | i don't even use xmodmap, not that i know of at least |
| 10:54.31 | Chessware | hi |
| 10:54.39 | gnarface | xev reports the buttons all still being read |
| 10:54.39 | Chessware | I am trying to configure a local vpn network with openswan (ipsec)between two pc that exist in the same LAN.. first of all I created two different subnet for each vpn host ! the routing works fine ! the problem that I have is that ipsec didn't work ! can someone help me ? |
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| 10:54.55 | eagles0513875_ | im not sure gnarface |
| 10:54.56 | eagles0513875_ | :( |
| 10:55.00 | gnarface | Chessware: ugh why use openvpn |
| 10:55.25 | Chessware | gnarface, I need to study ipsec protocol this is why I have to use openswan |
| 10:55.27 | petemc | eh? openvpn works really well |
| 10:55.33 | jelly | gnarface: which debian release? versions of relevant xserver-xorg-* packages? Have you confirmed with xev that button does what you think it should do? |
| 10:55.38 | Chessware | openvpn doesn't support ipsec |
| 10:56.06 | gnarface | Chessware: sorry to hear that, since that is precisely the reason i reccomended it |
| 10:56.19 | gnarface | jelly: sid and squeeze both |
| 10:56.38 | jelly | gnarface: you might want to peruse the channel topic of #debian-x (on oftc) |
| 10:56.50 | jelly | Topic for #debian-x is Problems with the latest big Xorg transition? Check here first: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable | Want to know what's up with the new input system? http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/git-usage | Roadmap for The Future: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XSFTODO |
| 10:57.03 | gnarface | thanks |
| 10:57.12 | gnarface | versions btw are all over the place |
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| 10:57.25 | gnarface | ii xserver-xorg 1:7.4+4 the X.Org X server |
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| 10:57.33 | gnarface | 1:7.4+4? |
| 10:57.41 | jelly | dunno, I backed down my x-x-core after I lost keyboard+mouse... again |
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| 10:57.54 | jelly | losing a button seems insignificat |
| 10:57.57 | Chessware | gnarface, but can you give some ideas about how to configure such workshop ? |
| 10:58.26 | gnarface | Chessware: i don't know shit about ipsec sorry i hate it. |
| 10:58.43 | Chessware | gnarface, I tried to use Vlan interfaces to emulate gateways that separate the two hosts |
| 10:58.48 | gnarface | jelly: yea i know it's minor but it maddens me not to know how to fix it |
| 10:58.58 | Chessware | but still donsen' work |
| 10:59.01 | Chessware | gnarface, ok |
| 10:59.08 | gnarface | wait |
| 10:59.09 | gnarface | vlan |
| 10:59.14 | gnarface | does your switch have vlan support? |
| 10:59.24 | gnarface | i thought there was a hardware requirement there |
| 10:59.27 | gnarface | i'm so foggy on it all |
| 10:59.32 | jelly | there is. |
| 10:59.43 | Chessware | gnarface, don't know but it's a good one |
| 10:59.50 | gnarface | when i found out there was an ssh vpn i embraced it and never looked back |
| 11:00.00 | gnarface | ipsec always seemed too intrusive |
| 11:00.05 | gnarface | hard to set up |
| 11:00.10 | gnarface | and harder to keep working |
| 11:00.13 | jelly | gnarface: what ssh vpn? |
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| 11:00.22 | Chessware | gnarface, yes !you are right |
| 11:00.41 | Chessware | openvpn worked for me without problems |
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| 11:00.54 | gnarface | jelly: openvpn is ssh based |
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| 11:00.58 | gnarface | no ipsec |
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| 11:01.02 | gnarface | no firewall hassles |
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| 11:01.33 | gnarface | http://openvpn.net |
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| 11:05.18 | jelly | oh... SSL-based |
| 11:06.48 | joltcan | openvpn is the shit! |
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| 11:07.26 | jelly | joltcan: apparently not yet: http://openvpn.istheshit.net/ |
| 11:11.57 | eagles0513875_ | do have a question what are the A Records in bind9 ? |
| 11:12.15 | gnarface | lol that's your ip |
| 11:12.32 | gnarface | if you don't know what an A record is why are you setting up bind? |
| 11:12.57 | spectre- | yeah |
| 11:13.16 | eagles0513875_ | gnarface: i have to learn somewhere |
| 11:13.17 | spectre- | the main record for ip>name translation |
| 11:13.41 | eagles0513875_ | thanks spectre- |
| 11:13.44 | spectre- | so like when you ping www.google.com |
| 11:13.57 | spectre- | the ip you get back is an A record |
| 11:14.06 | eagles0513875_ | ahhh ok |
| 11:14.11 | spectre- | er |
| 11:14.13 | spectre- | rather |
| 11:14.19 | eagles0513875_ | so i need to put in the ip of the local host? or doe i leave that blank |
| 11:14.43 | spectre- | like if your websites server ip is 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:14.53 | spectre- | your A record for www.website.com |
| 11:15.01 | spectre- | will be 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:15.04 | eagles0513875_ | spectre-: right now i have no websites being hosted |
| 11:15.08 | eagles0513875_ | yet |
| 11:15.16 | spectre- | just giving an example |
| 11:15.16 | eagles0513875_ | ok so basically can i leave it blank spectre- |
| 11:15.20 | eagles0513875_ | ok |
| 11:15.40 | spectre- | well that depends on what you're trying to do |
| 11:15.46 | spectre- | dunno |
| 11:15.49 | spectre- | but anyway |
| 11:15.56 | eagles0513875_ | right now trying to get master ns up |
| 11:15.58 | spectre- | MX records are for mail-servers |
| 11:16.18 | eagles0513875_ | http://www.thinkdebian.org/archives/343 |
| 11:16.20 | eagles0513875_ | that i knew mx. this is what im following |
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| 11:30.58 | joltcan | jelly: If you'll upload a pic, I'll approve it :D |
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| 11:41.48 | cads | can we set up apt in cygwin? is there a debian desktop that might run better in a VM than the standard desktop distro? |
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| 11:51.16 | beardy | How well does openjdk work compared to Sun java, when it comes to sound and graphics? |
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| 11:52.46 | zagibu | i'm a bit confused...wwwroot of debian apache seems to be /var/www, but packages like mediawiki install to /var/lib...how should I organize this? symlinks? or a virtualhost pointing to var/lib? |
| 11:53.09 | Slydder | would there happen to be any package mantainers here? |
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| 11:54.20 | themill | zagibu: an Alias directive is frequently how it's done. See /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf for example. /usr/share/doc/packagename/ will often also have suggestions for you about how to make use of the Debian packages. |
| 11:54.41 | zagibu | thanks, will have a look at it |
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| 12:00.44 | eagles0513875_ | :( |
| 12:00.54 | eagles0513875_ | well like i predicted didnt manage to get ns1 setup right |
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| 12:01.52 | eagles0513875_ | will have to work on it when i get home |
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| 12:09.53 | booto | nihil_: elsewhere! |
| 12:10.26 | thrashold | Hello. I want a user script to be executed when a new keyboard is plugged in. How to do that? |
| 12:10.53 | Slydder | check the usb events |
| 12:10.58 | thrashold | Also, what's the command to set the keyboat rate? |
| 12:10.59 | naquad | how to make 1. ttys don't blink cursor and 2. how to make it don't beep(both, X and ttys)? |
| 12:11.00 | thrashold | keyboard |
| 12:11.17 | thrashold | My keyboard is disconnecting/reconnecting every 5 minutes and I've got no repeat rate, and I need to fix it |
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| 12:11.41 | rvsjoen | naquad: for the beeping, 'xset -b' and 'setterm -bfreq 0' for X and consoles repsectively |
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| 12:12.00 | naquad | rvsjoen: is there some place where i can put those? |
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| 12:12.20 | rvsjoen | naquad: at least for the consoles, I usually put mine in /etc/profile |
| 12:12.22 | naquad | rvsjoen: so they would be executed globally for all users and on start up (tty) |
| 12:12.51 | rvsjoen | with xset i'm actually not sure |
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| 12:13.27 | rvsjoen | .xsession would probably be a start |
| 12:13.50 | thrashold | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/169727/ I need to fix this |
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| 12:23.13 | sepult | put an fdi file for hal ? |
| 12:23.15 | sepult | or a udev rule for udev ? |
| 12:23.18 | sepult | err forget the second |
| 12:23.22 | sepult | usb has to be polled regularly |
| 12:23.25 | sepult | if connection/reconnection events have to be captured |
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| 12:27.47 | thrashold | I want to do something as a user, not system-wide. Or if this is not possible, create something system-wide that calls something in the homedir of the user currently logged in X |
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| 12:28.26 | gnarface | i don't know what the hell i'm doing |
| 12:28.41 | gnarface | but i think that's something you can do from your xinit, xsession or xdm |
| 12:28.49 | gnarface | xdm/gdm/kdm, etc |
| 12:28.59 | gnarface | the right approach depends on how you start X |
| 12:29.01 | gnarface | i would guess |
| 12:29.14 | gnarface | thrashold: ^ |
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| 12:30.40 | thrashold | Well, I use kdm, but I don't think that's this important |
| 12:31.03 | thrashold | Maybe a script that watches for hal events on dbus? |
| 12:31.15 | gnarface | you just need to start something when X starts? |
| 12:32.31 | thrashold | No, when a keyboard is plugged |
| 12:32.45 | thrashold | I want when I press backspace on a long text on IRC, the text to be deleted fast |
| 12:33.08 | nsadmin | ctrl-u? |
| 12:33.25 | thrashold | That produces the funky unicode character |
| 12:33.34 | nsadmin | set the repeat rate of the kbd? |
| 12:33.36 | lvh | thrashold: doesn't here :-) |
| 12:33.37 | petemc | set -o vi |
| 12:33.59 | thrashold | nsadmin: Yes, that's what I want to do when a keyboard is plugged in |
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| 12:35.18 | kcj1993 | themill, I'm back |
| 12:35.43 | kcj1993 | i installed the base system |
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| 12:35.55 | kcj1993 | now what? |
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| 12:36.17 | petemc | oh dear |
| 12:36.34 | kcj1993 | oh dear? |
| 12:36.55 | petemc | paranoid? |
| 12:36.56 | nsadmin | kcj1993 what do you want to do next? |
| 12:37.09 | kcj1993 | gnome! |
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| 12:37.30 | nsadmin | is your internet working on that machine? |
| 12:37.34 | kcj1993 | yes |
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| 12:38.00 | nsadmin | that should be fairly straightforward then |
| 12:38.05 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 12:38.11 | nsadmin | there might be a package called gnome |
| 12:38.13 | superlinux | how can I use scp without security or compression, it's just a local copy |
| 12:38.39 | petemc | why not just use cp ? |
| 12:38.42 | kcj1993 | so just su then apt-get install gnome? |
| 12:38.42 | thrashold | So hal is getting deprecated, and is going to be replaced by DeviceKit? |
| 12:39.03 | superlinux | petemc, it's remote technically |
| 12:39.19 | nsadmin | then just make a key with no passphrase |
| 12:39.48 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:40.09 | kcj1993 | am I right??? |
| 12:40.11 | nsadmin | put the public part on the remote in the right place and you're set |
| 12:40.36 | nsadmin | kcj1993 if I'm right about the package name |
| 12:40.53 | nsadmin | if not, it's just as easy as that |
| 12:41.25 | nsadmin | judd versions gnome |
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| 12:41.49 | nsadmin | !judd |
| 12:41.49 | dpkg | i guess judd is currently unavailable. We'll try to have him back soon. Come back judd!!!! |
| 12:41.59 | rvsjoen | scp has options to set the compression |
| 12:42.22 | nsadmin | what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 12:42.25 | kcj1993 | there is a gnome pakage |
| 12:42.29 | themill | !install gnome |
| 12:42.29 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 12:43.10 | kcj1993 | does the base system have "X"? |
| 12:43.16 | nsadmin | nope |
| 12:43.25 | kcj1993 | #$%^ |
| 12:43.33 | nsadmin | !install x |
| 12:43.33 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Etch or later: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 12:43.48 | themill | kcj1993: try running "tasksel" and if it is already installed, just select the "desktop" task |
| 12:43.57 | kcj1993 | ok |
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| 12:44.43 | kcj1993 | i will try that... |
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| 12:48.40 | Muisje | Hello, what should i do? I'm going to have to reinstall my debian installation, but i don't want to waste alot of time searching for currently installed packages, is there a way i can get a list and perhaps like import that after reinstall? |
| 12:49.03 | gnarface | dpkg -l |
| 12:49.04 | dpkg | i don't know, gnarface |
| 12:49.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Muisje about aptitude clone |
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| 12:50.21 | Muisje | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list? is that correct? |
| 12:50.31 | Muisje | especially the %100p and ~i!~M |
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| 12:50.36 | Muisje | looks kind of weird to me |
| 12:50.41 | themill | Muisje: yes, it only looks like line noise :) |
| 12:51.16 | Muisje | btw themill didn't i spoke to you before? |
| 12:51.32 | themill | -F '%100p' is a formatting directive to include the entire package name (don't truncate it). '~i' is installed packages, '!~M' means "not automatically installed". |
| 12:51.56 | Muisje | Ok, got it. |
| 12:52.23 | themill | yes.... you were going to pull the plug on a box and reinstall it on Friday. |
| 12:52.45 | Muisje | Now all i have 2 do is wait for backups completing... I'm fairly sure the intruder got in due to bugs in ISPConfig |
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| 12:52.57 | Muisje | themill, i said i will reinstall, i did not say friday |
| 12:53.03 | themill | :) |
| 12:53.14 | Muisje | I found some rootkit scanners like chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 12:53.19 | Muisje | the results are aweful :p |
| 12:53.32 | themill | writes that down as another reason to avoid ispconfig |
| 12:53.53 | Muisje | got to the point that i fixed 2 out of 11 rootkits, and then i screwed up /bin/sh or remaining rootkit did it |
| 12:54.17 | zinx | Muisje: fix rootkits? you mean wipe and reinstall? |
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| 12:54.28 | zinx | Muisje: i'm not sure how you could miss 9 out of 11 doing that, though... |
| 12:54.38 | jelly | Muisje: those rootkit detecting scripts are also false-positive happy, so take their result with a grain of salt |
| 12:54.40 | Muisje | zinx, i was trying to remove 1 by 1 |
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| 12:54.53 | zinx | Muisje: the only proper way to remove a rootkit is to reinstall. |
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| 12:55.14 | Muisje | jelly, i know i read up about each rootkit and searched how they get recognized and what definitly is not apart of a rootkit but apart of a program |
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| 12:55.19 | jelly | "oh noes! you have a sniffer running!" -- YES I INSTALLED IT KTHX |
| 12:55.46 | Muisje | I came up with files like /usr/include/proc.h and file.h and stuff |
| 12:55.58 | Muisje | Hiding synflood programs, sh crackers and mirkforce crap and so on |
| 12:56.16 | jelly | nice |
| 12:56.17 | Muisje | My system was hit very bad |
| 12:56.32 | Muisje | But i'm glad i didn't gave up immediatly, i learned soooo much of it |
| 12:56.32 | jelly | pwnd lolol! |
| 12:57.31 | Muisje | I think if i knew what i know now, i could've recovered my machine before, although its now way past beyond the point of any hope of recovery |
| 12:57.52 | Muisje | Most important is that i learned alot of things to prevent this crap from happening in the future |
| 12:57.56 | koollman | Muisje: what you were looking for initially is "dpkg --get-selections > myinstall" (then, on a fresh, basic install, "dpkg --set-selections < myinstall" |
| 12:58.19 | buddha | !hi |
| 12:58.19 | dpkg | hello, buddha |
| 12:58.20 | koollman | also, once a system has been compromised, you can't really be sure you have 'fixed' it ever again |
| 12:58.30 | buddha | !hello,how are you? |
| 12:58.32 | Muisje | koollman, i've already been told about aptitude clone |
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| 12:58.58 | naquad | after dist-upgrade i've lost all ttys except 1-st and 7-th, how do i get back others? |
| 12:59.03 | liable | buddha: please don't play with the bot for the sake of playing with it |
| 12:59.15 | Muisje | and koollman i know, you can't be sure unless you know how the virus/rootkit works what is has done and tracet it, deactivate it, and in rescue mode replace all kernel packages |
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| 12:59.38 | Muisje | and then you still have a certain risk |
| 13:00.01 | themill | koollman: that method loses information about automatically installed packages, btw. "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" for another approach. |
| 13:00.16 | buddha | !slap liable for advicing me |
| 13:00.16 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across liable for advicing me's face |
| 13:00.17 | z0rc[w0rk] | slaps buddha around the head with an umbrella. |
| 13:00.28 | themill | z0rc[w0rk]: please turn that off |
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| 13:02.05 | jelly | themill: and that is the sound of one umbrella slapping. |
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| 13:04.03 | liable | slapping what? |
| 13:04.35 | Muisje | apparently your head? :p |
| 13:04.48 | jelly | no, buddha's |
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| 13:05.40 | errietta | Hi :) |
| 13:05.55 | errietta | I have some dependancy problems i need to sort out |
| 13:06.12 | themill | errietta: "/msg dpkg bat" for an idea of what you need to provide us with |
| 13:06.36 | Muisje | ow lol |
| 13:07.17 | Muisje | god damn it, it won't let me make the directory t.tenholt (gives operation not permitted 95) |
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| 13:08.10 | jelly | Muisje: lsattr . ? |
| 13:08.31 | jelly | Muisje: rootkits are prone to using immutable bits |
| 13:08.47 | Muisje | only ---- |
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| 13:09.20 | themill | Muisje: you could try piping that output to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" and copying it to another computer that way |
| 13:09.26 | errietta | themill: Um |
| 13:09.29 | errietta | themill: i can't pastebin |
| 13:09.35 | errietta | themill: i'm in a commandline environment |
| 13:09.43 | themill | !pastebin pipe |
| 13:09.43 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 13:09.49 | errietta | themill: I can't install packages. |
| 13:09.54 | themill | keep reading |
| 13:09.56 | errietta | themill: that's why i need to fix the dependancy problems |
| 13:09.59 | errietta | I CANT INSTALL PACKAGES |
| 13:10.02 | themill | keep reading |
| 13:10.14 | errietta | -sigh- |
| 13:10.32 | themill | errietta: do you seriously not have netcat or telnet or a text-mode browser already installed? |
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| 13:11.44 | errietta | themill: i'm not sure I have nc |
| 13:11.56 | errietta | themill: you're lucky, I do |
| 13:12.16 | errietta | so do i do nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 < myProblem? |
| 13:12.17 | themill | or ssh to copy the file to some other machine? Without seeing real output from programs, it's pretty impossible to work out what's going on |
| 13:12.19 | Muisje | themill got the problem, the files existed already but the copy thingy did not knew that |
| 13:12.58 | errietta | http://paste.debian.net/57601/ |
| 13:13.23 | eagles0513875 | i need some bind help :( i followed this how to but its not working |
| 13:13.24 | eagles0513875 | http://www.thinkdebian.org/archives/343 |
| 13:13.27 | themill | !udev squeeze |
| 13:13.44 | errietta | themill: that's what I was trying to install before my system got in this state :] |
| 13:13.45 | ikonia | eagles0513875: what is the problem ? |
| 13:13.46 | themill | !squeeze udev |
| 13:13.46 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 13:13.54 | themill | errietta: ^^ |
| 13:14.08 | errietta | themill: I don't think you understand. I cannot install or upgrade ANY package before my problem is fixed. |
| 13:14.12 | thrashold | I've got this script that fixes my keyboard when I plug it off and then plug it back in: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/169743/ |
| 13:14.16 | thrashold | I've got two questions |
| 13:14.33 | thrashold | 1) What command should it run to set the keyboard repeat rate? |
| 13:14.33 | themill | errietta: I still think you should read things to the end first. |
| 13:14.36 | eagles0513875 | ikonia: it keeps failing to start i seem to have missed somethign in the how to. im running this in a debian guest which is on a xen debian 64bit lenny domO |
| 13:14.46 | errietta | themill: I did read it |
| 13:14.59 | thrashold | 2) It sometimes doesn't work, calling setxkbmap seems to have no effect (even though it waits 2 seconds before calling it) |
| 13:15.00 | errietta | themill: I do not have another kernel. |
| 13:15.07 | errietta | themill: atleast not in my boot menu. |
| 13:15.21 | rswarbrick | thrashold: For (1), have you checked man xset? |
| 13:15.23 | themill | errietta: what's the output of "aptitude search ~nlinux-image" |
| 13:15.26 | errietta | sec |
| 13:15.34 | ikonia | eagles0513875: check your networking on your guest, make sure it's valid, then look in the syslog for the reason it's failing, or do a named-checkcof to test your config |
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| 13:16.05 | thrashold | Actually, 2) never works. Calling setxkbmap from the console fixes my layout, but even though the script prints "Aye", the keyboard layout is still the same |
| 13:16.07 | errietta | http://paste.debian.net/57603/ |
| 13:16.09 | thrashold | rswarbrick: Will now |
| 13:17.43 | themill | errietta: OK, so you need to follow the instructions that udev's postinst printed. Create a /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file, "aptitude -f install", "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64", remove that file, reboot and all should be well. BTW aptitude is trying to remove a *lot* of packages which might not really be what you want. |
| 13:17.57 | errietta | themill: um.. |
| 13:18.03 | rswarbrick | thrashold: Gotta go for a bit, but are you sure that it's got all the correct permissions for X? I remember trying to do stuff with cron that died horribly because it couldn't connect to the :0.0 display etc. Maybe a problem like that? I don't know python much, but can subprocess.call dump the output of setxkbmap to your console so you can check what happened? |
| 13:18.08 | errietta | themill: I don't think i want to create that. It said "IF YOU DO IT YOUR SYSTEM WILL DIE" |
| 13:18.10 | thrashold | rswarbrick: xset r 25 175 -> xset: unknown option 175 |
| 13:18.11 | errietta | or something similar |
| 13:18.38 | thrashold | rswarbrick: Oh, got it |
| 13:18.48 | themill | errietta: it's only a problem if you reboot before installing the new kernel. |
| 13:18.56 | errietta | themill: ok, wish me best of luck |
| 13:19.03 | themill | good luck! |
| 13:19.03 | thrashold | rswarbrick: I'm running it from the same terminal that I'm running setxkbmap manually |
| 13:19.07 | errietta | :p |
| 13:20.27 | thrashold | rswarbrick: xsetting the rate from the same script works, only the keymap doesn't |
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| 13:22.25 | rswarbrick | thrashold: Hmm, in which case I'm not sure sorry. |
| 13:25.39 | thrashold | rswarbrick: It works if setxkbmap gets called 10 seconds after the keyboard is plugged in |
| 13:25.45 | thrashold | xset works immediately |
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| 13:26.14 | NoReflex | Hey guys! I need to give samba access to 15 users to a fileserver. I've setup 15 accounts with shell = usr/bin/nologin and with their home dirs = /var/samba/username - is it enough to enable the home dirs section of smb.conf? |
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| 13:27.21 | eagles0513875 | ikonia: :) fixed it |
| 13:27.26 | eagles0513875 | one name server down one to go :) |
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| 13:28.11 | errietta | hello |
| 13:28.12 | errietta | it's me again |
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| 13:28.21 | errietta | um apt removed my networking |
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| 13:28.45 | rvsjoen | how did you manage that |
| 13:29.14 | errietta | Well you told me to install -f |
| 13:29.16 | errietta | and that did that |
| 13:29.23 | themill | I did say that the list of things that aptitude was planning to do looked a little bit too exciting and that you should double check that |
| 13:29.26 | errietta | "Required firmware files may be missing" is that ok? |
| 13:30.59 | themill | Wireless firmware? What chipset? |
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| 13:31.11 | errietta | themill no |
| 13:31.19 | errietta | themill It said firmware. |
| 13:31.22 | errietta | In general |
| 13:31.26 | errietta | I think it means system files are missing |
| 13:31.38 | errietta | well it only had an 'ok' option so i clicked that |
| 13:31.42 | errietta | No 'panic' option so far |
| 13:31.48 | errietta | that must be good news : |
| 13:32.00 | errietta | btw uh |
| 13:32.05 | errietta | There's a live grub right |
| 13:32.17 | jelly | errietta: may be missing != are missing |
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| 13:32.18 | errietta | cause if it removed grub i'm screwed |
| 13:32.24 | themill | !dbug 558265 |
| 13:32.44 | errietta | themill i ran install -f. Can you be so kind to tll me what th enext step was? |
| 13:33.21 | themill | errietta: check that you have a kernel > 2.6.27 installed so that you can reboot into it |
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| 13:33.30 | errietta | themill command to do that? |
| 13:33.40 | errietta | themill by the way shouldn't i delete the file i made? |
| 13:34.04 | errietta | themill please also tell me how i can get my networking back if i can't download packages. :) |
| 13:34.16 | themill | errietta: "dpkg -l linux-image* | grep ^ii"; yes, delete that udev upgrade file |
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| 13:34.59 | themill | !dbugs 558265 |
| 13:35.03 | errietta | themill: command returned no results |
| 13:35.03 | dpkg | #558265:N[linux-2.6] Warns about firmware that is not needed (); Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:03:02 UTC [] |
| 13:35.06 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 13:35.06 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 13:35.12 | errietta | :DD |
| 13:35.42 | themill | errietta: really? that would imply no kernels installed and I don't like the sound of that at all |
| 13:36.05 | errietta | themill i don't like it either. |
| 13:36.11 | themill | errietta: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg -l 'linux-image*' |
| 13:36.13 | errietta | themill bear in mind i can no longer download packages |
| 13:36.24 | errietta | themill no i cant |
| 13:36.32 | themill | eh? |
| 13:36.38 | errietta | themill it removed my networking |
| 13:36.45 | errietta | themill ive no way of giving you the output |
| 13:36.46 | themill | you weren't supposed to have rebooted yet.... |
| 13:36.53 | errietta | themill i did not |
| 13:37.03 | themill | then networking should be unaffected |
| 13:37.14 | errietta | themill well it used to have 'eth0' and now it only has 'lo' |
| 13:37.46 | errietta | themill sec if im lucky it will mount my usb so i can have the output in this comp |
| 13:38.19 | themill | errietta: are there any lines in that output that begin with ii? |
| 13:38.30 | errietta | yes |
| 13:38.41 | themill | versions? |
| 13:38.47 | errietta | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26+17+lenn Linux 2.6 image on AMD 64 |
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| 13:39.07 | errietta | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26-19lenny Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD 64 |
| 13:39.27 | errietta | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.32-5 Linux 2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs |
| 13:39.33 | themill | \o/ |
| 13:40.07 | errietta | themill so is it safe to reboot |
| 13:41.10 | themill | There's a chance that you need to install a firmware-foo package to keep it happy, but that warning can also be spurious. What networking hardware do you have? (lspci -nn | grep -i net) |
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| 13:41.42 | errietta | Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co, LTD RTL8101E/RTL |
| 13:41.57 | errietta | PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136](rev 01) |
| 13:42.17 | themill | come back judd! |
| 13:42.25 | errietta | ? |
| 13:42.41 | themill | errietta: driver matching bot that's currently offline |
| 13:42.45 | errietta | oh |
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| 13:42.54 | errietta | themill but if i can't download it how the heck am i supposed to install it? |
| 13:43.00 | errietta | :S |
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| 13:43.11 | themill | stick it on that usb stick |
| 13:43.20 | errietta | themill k |
| 13:44.12 | themill | [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 13:44.17 | errietta | themillluckily it didnt remove ntfs-3g |
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| 13:44.33 | errietta | themill ok so where can i download it from? |
| 13:44.34 | themill | I don't know of any firmware that thing requires |
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| 13:44.56 | Joelio | Hi all, just upgraded to Lenny from Etch. Now bind is not producing and 'rndc stats'? |
| 13:45.00 | errietta | themill, i need ntfs-3g cause it wouldnt mount ntfs elsewhere |
| 13:45.02 | Joelio | DNS is working fine |
| 13:45.12 | errietta | I just learnt my lesson about upgrading myself |
| 13:45.14 | errietta | :) |
| 13:45.20 | errietta | :p |
| 13:45.21 | Joelio | Any idea on why 'rndc stats' output are broken? |
| 13:45.59 | errietta | themill so how do i get my rdriver? |
| 13:48.17 | themill | errietta: I don't believe you're actually going to need any. I think that warning is a false positive for that particular card.... but I can't be sure of this. You'll have to try it and see |
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| 13:49.50 | errietta | themill ok so i should reboot |
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| 13:50.27 | LuciusMare | i have problems with unicode console - all the unicode characters (such as ÄÅ¡ÄÅžáÃ) are just shown as a blank square. |
| 13:51.06 | errietta | themill that's nice it removed Ubuntu from my menu.lst |
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| 13:52.22 | errietta | themill can you maybe help me with that one? everything else seems fine |
| 13:52.42 | errietta | it even installed lynx and a command-line mouse |
| 13:52.43 | errietta | :) |
| 13:53.05 | themill | errietta: sorry, I've got a meeting to go to in 3 min. There are plenty of others around who will help, however. |
| 13:53.46 | errietta | themill maybe I can try myself |
| 13:53.55 | errietta | ive done it before |
| 13:54.02 | errietta | themill although tbh ubuntu has problems of its own |
| 13:54.14 | errietta | wireless only works when it wants to, ethernet doesnt work at all |
| 13:54.24 | errietta | and last time i checked my mouse wouldnt work either |
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| 13:54.26 | errietta | so its getting worse |
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| 13:55.52 | errietta | by the way can somebody help me install syntax highlight for nano? |
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| 14:10.39 | jelly | !test |
| 14:10.39 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 14:11.18 | ribasushi | it seems that acpid stops hearing acpi events after I resume from hibernation |
| 14:11.23 | ribasushi | once I restart acpid everything is fine |
| 14:11.28 | ribasushi | any pointers? |
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| 14:12.17 | Tomasu | anyone knows of any firefox/iceweasel 3.6 packages for debian? |
| 14:12.42 | unfancy | ribasushi: From the Debian hibernate-.*/README: "The Debian version of the suspend script installs the standard scriptlets in /usr/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d, but also looks in /etc/hibernate/scriptlets.d and /usr/local/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d for any custom scriptlets that you may want to write. Documentation on writing scriptlets can be found in /usr/share/doc/hibernate/SCRIPTLET-API.gz". So it's possible to write a hook for this. |
| 14:12.50 | Orion_X11 | I have faced a problem here. The thing is that I can connect to the net wireles (ath5k) and eth0, but cannot ping the host and navegate in the net. I am blocked here in windows. What should it be? |
| 14:13.04 | ribasushi | unfancy: a hook as in what... reboot acpid ? |
| 14:13.16 | unfancy | ribasushi: ... |
| 14:13.25 | unfancy | Documentation on writing scriptlets can be found in /usr/share/doc/hibernate/SCRIPTLET-API.gz |
| 14:14.41 | Orion_X11 | ? |
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| 14:14.47 | mde88 | !dmm lenny |
| 14:14.47 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 14:14.51 | unfancy | Orion_X11: are you sure that ath5k creates eth0 and not wlan0? |
| 14:14.57 | ribasushi | unfancy: I mean what would the hook do? |
| 14:15.15 | jelly | ribasushi: restart acpid on resume? |
| 14:15.19 | unfancy | ribasushi: restart acpid like you did manually to make "things fine"? |
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| 14:16.34 | mde88 | whats the gestreamer for wmv |
| 14:16.37 | ribasushi | this is a hideous workaround |
| 14:16.41 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, what I am saying is that I can connect through wireless (ath5k > wlan0) and through eth0 (cable) but not surf in the net. |
| 14:16.44 | ribasushi | I was looking for a real solution you know :) |
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| 14:17.30 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, I am in windows now because I am blocked in debian |
| 14:17.37 | jelly | ribasushi: I guess you don't need this channel to be told to check BTS and report any unreported bugs |
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| 14:18.31 | unfancy | Orion_X11: are you sure wlan0 had an IP? |
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| 14:18.50 | dzikasosna | how do i display packages that i have installed, and nothing depends on them (leaves) |
| 14:18.53 | unfancy | Orion_X11: ..and was using the correct encryption key, if any |
| 14:19.04 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, yes it gets an ip address (wicd shows that) |
| 14:19.29 | Orion_X11 | and ifconfig as well |
| 14:19.43 | unfancy | Orion_X11: you mean iwconfig? :P |
| 14:19.46 | Qantourisc | I have to add unstable/testing to sources.list, where can i find a good reference ? (including pinning) ? |
| 14:19.50 | unfancy | Orion_X11: anyways... sounds correct. |
| 14:19.57 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, yes |
| 14:20.37 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, and I have not messed with iptables |
| 14:20.38 | unfancy | Orion_X11: how did you configure the interface anyways? |
| 14:21.13 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, two ways dhcp and static and none of them navigate |
| 14:21.34 | Orion_X11 | but gets right ip addresses |
| 14:21.55 | unfancy | navigate :S |
| 14:22.00 | unfancy | don't use that word please |
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| 14:22.13 | Orion_X11 | I am sure about this because they are the same |
| 14:22.17 | unfancy | well, are you sure that the ips are fine? |
| 14:22.25 | unfancy | if 2 interfaces get the same IP they block each other |
| 14:22.33 | Orion_X11 | yes. the work in windows |
| 14:22.46 | unfancy | well, then what can it be? |
| 14:22.47 | Orion_X11 | I am using them now |
| 14:23.21 | unfancy | sounds like everything is fine :S |
| 14:24.03 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, yes it does |
| 14:24.22 | unfancy | eth0 works in windows but not in debian even tho it gets an ip? |
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| 14:24.38 | Orion_X11 | yes |
| 14:24.50 | Orion_X11 | I am using it just now in windows |
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| 14:25.07 | unfancy | hm |
| 14:25.15 | unfancy | and you can't even ping the router in debian? |
| 14:25.26 | Orion_X11 | I cannot |
| 14:25.39 | unfancy | that doesn't sound sane |
| 14:25.45 | Orion_X11 | yes |
| 14:26.15 | Orion_X11 | that's because I am here in the channel |
| 14:26.30 | unfancy | because you aren't sane? :P |
| 14:26.58 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, Ok. I will reboot into debian again. |
| 14:26.59 | Qantourisc | Is samba 3.4.5 avaible for debian ? |
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| 14:27.08 | unfancy | well, i have no idea really what could be wrong... |
| 14:27.24 | Orion_X11 | unfancy, many thx anyway |
| 14:27.34 | Orion_X11 | :-) |
| 14:27.37 | unfancy | Orion_X11: get me the output of "ifconfig eth0" and "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 14:27.47 | unfancy | Orion_X11: no problemo |
| 14:27.52 | nsadmin | I;d like to see ifconfig -a |
| 14:27.56 | Orion_X11 | ok |
| 14:28.00 | unfancy | yeah ifconfig -a |
| 14:28.06 | unfancy | moar info :D |
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| 14:29.05 | Orion_X11 | I will see |
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| 14:30.13 | nsadmin | in a router you could possibly have two interfaces the same IP, if just one of them has a default |
| 14:30.30 | nsadmin | that would be a non-nat router |
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| 14:30.53 | unfancy | what would be the use of that? |
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| 14:31.03 | erry | How do you install syntax highlight support for nano? |
| 14:31.10 | unfancy | "connected to unconnectivity" |
| 14:31.19 | unfancy | erry: you look for it on google. :) |
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| 14:31.40 | erry | ;p |
| 14:31.43 | unfancy | http://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Nano_Syntax_Highlighting |
| 14:31.49 | unfancy | feeling lucky res^^ |
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| 14:32.48 | nsadmin | unfancy we ran such a router for years |
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| 14:33.13 | orjan | to do an amanda backup I do a cifs mount of a w2k3 share. Should I set uid and guid and ti what? |
| 14:33.19 | unfancy | nsadmin: for what purpose? |
| 14:33.37 | unfancy | ..i mean many people have done perfectly useless things for years.. |
| 14:33.41 | unfancy | but that doesn't make the thing more useful :D |
| 14:33.42 | nsadmin | to route a /24 subnet inside from a t1 |
| 14:34.08 | unfancy | with 2 machines having the same IP, how do you serve ANYTHING? |
| 14:34.19 | unfancy | you mean as in a bridge? |
| 14:34.25 | nsadmin | oh wait, 2 -machines-? |
| 14:34.43 | unfancy | 2 devices* |
| 14:34.50 | unfancy | that was the borderline.. |
| 14:34.55 | nsadmin | I must have misread, I thought you were talking about 2 interfaces in the same machien |
| 14:35.03 | unfancy | lol :D |
| 14:35.28 | unfancy | 15:22 < unfancy> if 2 interfaces get the same IP they block each other |
| 14:35.33 | unfancy | :=} |
| 14:35.52 | nsadmin | right, so you did said interfaces :) |
| 14:36.01 | unfancy | indeed. |
| 14:36.14 | nsadmin | must have missed the conversatuion before then |
| 14:36.23 | unfancy | not in the same machine tho, but both having the same ip on the same network |
| 14:36.29 | unfancy | ...which is just not going to work :) |
| 14:36.41 | unfancy | indeed must |
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| 14:37.31 | erry | ok ty |
| 14:37.34 | nsadmin | even on different networks, they'll never talk to each other, and if one is a router, that;s going to cause problems |
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| 14:38.28 | Muisje | Is there a way i can check if a certain string is within a file / directory and find out which file? |
| 14:38.42 | nsadmin | look into grep |
| 14:38.43 | Stereo | Muisje: grep -l string file |
| 14:38.58 | Muisje | does that work on dirs too? |
| 14:39.04 | Stereo | or grep -rl string directory1 directory2 file1 file2 |
| 14:39.09 | Stereo | -r for recursive |
| 14:39.10 | nsadmin | why would a dir have a string? |
| 14:39.13 | Stereo | -l lists the file |
| 14:39.26 | Stereo | and the man option in front of grep is the most helpful of all :) |
| 14:39.36 | SPF | Muisje: find . -name "*.txt" -exec grep "searchme" {} \; -print |
| 14:39.57 | Muisje | i mean the content of the directory nsadmin :) |
| 14:40.05 | Stereo | SPF: whoa |
| 14:40.08 | Muisje | agreed @ Stereo |
| 14:40.43 | Stereo | SPF: use {} + instead of {} \; if you want to do that |
| 14:41.28 | nsadmin | Muisje so, you want to do recursion (either with some form of grep -r or by using find) |
| 14:41.28 | Stereo | and use grep -H to show the filename along with the string, otherwise you'll just have a bunch of strings |
| 14:41.38 | erry | btw |
| 14:41.49 | erry | how do u find out which graphics card you use |
| 14:41.58 | SPF | lspci |
| 14:42.00 | Stereo | and perhaps find -type f will be quicker |
| 14:42.03 | nsadmin | look at lspci -nn |
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| 14:44.09 | orjan | To do an amanda backup I do a cifs mount of a w2k3 share. Should I set uid and guid and to what? |
| 14:44.20 | JyZyXEL | what should i do with all the # starting files in lost+found? |
| 14:45.02 | erry | uhem |
| 14:45.10 | erry | i cant seem to be able top make Xorg work |
| 14:45.25 | erry | which would be ok if i didnt have to use a gui browser |
| 14:45.26 | erry | but i do |
| 14:45.36 | nsadmin | why doesn't it work? |
| 14:46.02 | erry | nsadmin, I think it's a problem with my driver. It used to work with fglxr but now it days my display adapter is wrong so i commented out he driver line |
| 14:46.10 | erry | and now it just brings a blank screen, not very useful |
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| 14:46.50 | nsadmin | you say it used to work... |
| 14:47.04 | erry | nsadmin, until I broke and fxed my system |
| 14:47.05 | erry | :D |
| 14:47.23 | nsadmin | so you have the same video card? |
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| 14:47.39 | erry | nsadmin, i uise a laptop. It's impossible to change it. |
| 14:48.00 | erry | although i would love to cause this one is old :( |
| 14:49.08 | nsadmin | ok... the only thing I can think of is to uncomment the driver line and try to find out why it;s failing |
| 14:49.19 | erry | nsadmin, i did uncomment it |
| 14:49.28 | erry | nsadmin, i can only see a blank screen when starting x |
| 14:49.38 | erry | after ncommenting |
| 14:49.41 | erry | uncommenting* |
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| 14:50.15 | erry | maybe i should just install a vm with ubuntu in my desktop and have this command line as my primary system |
| 14:50.28 | erry | I wish i could use vim though |
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| 14:52.10 | erry | so since xserver doesnt work can i stop it from autostartin? |
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| 14:52.56 | orjan | erry ctrl+alt+f2 should get you a cli |
| 14:54.22 | rswarbrick | erry: Boot up in single user mode and then change /etc/inittab to runlevel 3 and disable gdm for runlevel 3 by renaming /etc/rc3.d/S<nn>gdm to /etc/rc3.d/K<nn>gdm. |
| 14:54.34 | rswarbrick | Then run "init 3". |
| 14:54.52 | unfancy | there is also a nice little program that does that... |
| 14:54.53 | don_martino | or delete S<nn>gdm since it's only a symlink anyway |
| 14:54.57 | unfancy | sysv-rc-config iirc |
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| 14:55.06 | rswarbrick | Well, either way. |
| 14:55.27 | rswarbrick | But do it to a different runlevel, so that when it's fixed you only need to change /etc/inittab. |
| 14:55.51 | Qantourisc | What is th best way to see what packages are borken in aptitude ? |
| 14:56.07 | Qantourisc | a b :p |
| 14:56.54 | \amethyst | Qantourisc: aptitude search '~b', or /~b in interactive mode |
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| 14:57.29 | Slydder | or apt-get check |
| 14:57.51 | rswarbrick | Qantourisc: In interactive mode, just hitting 'b' should do it? |
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| 14:59.41 | erry | when starting xserver it goes like no protocol specified |
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| 15:03.21 | erry | isthat fixale |
| 15:03.26 | erry | fixable |
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| 15:06.55 | oggei | erry: no. |
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| 15:07.54 | orjan | What default user does amanda run as? |
| 15:07.56 | erry | oggei, seriosly? |
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| 15:08.09 | erry | I'm gonna send a mail to Klaus!!! |
| 15:08.21 | erry | through the linux magazine |
| 15:08.24 | erry | he has a collumn |
| 15:08.33 | oggei | erry: is your question serious ? :D |
| 15:08.41 | erry | oggei, yes, i need a way to fix it |
| 15:09.03 | oggei | provide details, "it goes like no protocol specified" has no meaning |
| 15:09.40 | erry | oggei, I type startx in the command line and below it brings that message, and when i go to alt + f7 which is where xserver should be theres a blank screen |
| 15:10.16 | oggei | that gives this evidence: if xserver fail to start, it fails to start |
| 15:10.16 | asfdg | sounds like your xserver is broken. |
| 15:10.21 | oggei | now, provide details. |
| 15:10.28 | orjan | erry what does syslog say? |
| 15:10.45 | erry | orjan, where' sthe log? |
| 15:11.19 | orjan | erry /var/log/syslog |
| 15:12.15 | asfdg | or /var/log/X*.log ? |
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| 15:12.48 | unfancy | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:12.56 | oggei | or simply -, if you start with startx |
| 15:12.56 | erry | One sec |
| 15:12.58 | erry | ONE SEC |
| 15:13.02 | erry | Damit |
| 15:13.05 | craigevil | erry: try using the -ati or radeon driver rather than fglrx, that should at least give you a working xorg |
| 15:13.05 | erry | this is rly hard |
| 15:13.15 | erry | craigevil, what's the package name |
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| 15:13.32 | craigevil | xserver-xorg-video-ati or -radeon |
| 15:14.15 | erry | chii, aptitude finds neither |
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| 15:14.27 | Muisje | Linux really should get a virus scanner/ rootkit detector, that actually is able to prepare or defend the system atleast... |
| 15:14.35 | Muisje | Or maybe there is one i never heard of |
| 15:14.42 | eagles0513875 | there is clamav for antivirus |
| 15:14.46 | eagles0513875 | not sure about rootkits |
| 15:14.52 | Muisje | Clamav only deletes infected files, but that sucks if important system files are infected :p |
| 15:14.53 | erry | oh wait |
| 15:14.54 | rswarbrick | snort, maybe? |
| 15:14.54 | craigevil | Muisje: rkhunter, chkrootikit, avast, clamav etc |
| 15:14.56 | erry | i have it already i think |
| 15:15.02 | erry | so how do i configure xorg to use that? |
| 15:15.05 | eagles0513875 | snort is intrustion detection rswarbrick |
| 15:15.17 | rswarbrick | eagles0513875: Oops, sorry. |
| 15:15.20 | Muisje | craigevil, rkhunter / chkrootkit detect, but don't prevent/repair? |
| 15:15.38 | Muisje | same goes for clamav, unless you run the clamd i think :/ |
| 15:15.43 | craigevil | erry: ctrl+atl+f1 login then use nano to edit your xorg.conf |
| 15:15.47 | Muisje | and avast i never used :p |
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| 15:15.53 | erry | craigevil, and what do i put in it? |
| 15:16.39 | craigevil | erry: "ati" or "radeon" |
| 15:16.43 | erry | ok |
| 15:16.57 | asfdg | Muisje: stick them into proxies for web and mail etc. |
| 15:17.09 | craigevil | Muisje: avg has a linix av as well |
| 15:17.11 | asfdg | Muisje: and use things like selinux to harden your system. |
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| 15:17.22 | erry | craigevil, doesnt' work |
| 15:17.41 | erry | craigevil, same problem a earlier |
| 15:17.42 | pigdude | "(70-79/79) Is the bug you found listed above [y|N|b|m|r|q|s|f|?]" <-- is there a secret in those letters? |
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| 15:17.54 | pigdude | or is this really a UI standard of sorts I'm issing |
| 15:17.56 | craigevil | erry: sure its installed apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 15:17.58 | zinx | pigdude: hit ? and find out |
| 15:18.00 | pigdude | I'm familiar with yN |
| 15:18.10 | pigdude | exited due to user interrupt |
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| 15:18.30 | erry | server-xorg-video-ati: Installed: 1:6.12.3-1 Candidate: 1:6.12.3-1 |
| 15:18.45 | rswarbrick | pigdude: Hit ?, I think it tells you more. |
| 15:18.52 | rswarbrick | (if this is apt-listbugs) |
| 15:18.54 | pigdude | yup, got it, thanks :) |
| 15:19.25 | erry | craigevil, seems its instaled |
| 15:19.29 | erry | installed* |
| 15:19.47 | JosephM | greetings... I have a dumb question.... I am trying to figure out the logging in rsyslog and looking at the .conf I see some notations to point to -/var and some point to /var. please, what is the difference? |
| 15:19.50 | pigdude | Is that the right tool to report bugs in Testing as well? |
| 15:20.04 | craigevil | erry: try using "radeon" or take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 15:20.19 | erry | craigevil, Radeon brings the same error |
| 15:20.43 | erry | craigevil, ive gotta go now |
| 15:20.48 | rswarbrick | pigdude: As in, to see reports of bugs in testing? In which case, yes. |
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| 15:21.37 | pigdude | rswarbrick, yea, I've been coping with a serious GVim bug for a good bit now but I think it's time I reported it since it's not been fixed |
| 15:21.57 | Muisje | Its amazing that i didn't found out i had an infected system since 16 october 2009 |
| 15:22.09 | orjan | What is the default user of amanda on debian? |
| 15:22.43 | petemc | orjan: did you look in /etc/passwd ? |
| 15:23.56 | orjan | petemc: yes, there is amanda problem is I don't remeber if I put it there myself trying to get amanda to work... |
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| 15:24.46 | orjan | petemc: I have problem witha acifs mount, trying to understand what to set uid and guid to |
| 15:24.48 | craigevil | Muisje: infected how? and is this a server or desktop? my install will be 6 yrs old next month, rkhunter/chkrootkit run daily never found anything in all this time |
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| 15:27.14 | Muisje | craigevil server |
| 15:27.20 | Muisje | Infected by http inject i think |
| 15:28.21 | abrotman | not again ... |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | Muisje: haven't you reinstalled that yet? |
| 15:30.07 | Muisje | abrotman i'm going to shut up |
| 15:30.21 | Muisje | I'm currently backing up the last few things i have to backup |
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| 15:30.58 | elb0w | where does ssh attempts log to on debian? |
| 15:31.12 | Muisje | actually that first line corrected: abrotman, shut up. I'm going to. would be more correct :) |
| 15:31.25 | abrotman | Muisje: it's been like .. a week? |
| 15:31.27 | abrotman | five days? |
| 15:31.39 | Muisje | abrotman the virus has been on it since 16 octobre |
| 15:31.48 | themill | *blink* |
| 15:31.52 | abrotman | i meant since you found out |
| 15:32.01 | Muisje | I'v only found out wednesday so yeah 5 days |
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| 15:32.09 | abrotman | Muisje: oddly, i know another Debian machine that was compromised around the same time |
| 15:32.13 | Muisje | And yes, The machine is offline |
| 15:32.49 | Muisje | big chance it is the same hacker/virus w/e |
| 15:32.51 | tabashco | elb0w: /var/log/auth.log |
| 15:33.16 | tabashco | that shows login attempts |
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| 15:33.31 | JosephM | at the risk of repeating, can someone tell me the difference in -/var and /var, or maybe point me in the direction of the answer somewhere,.... google is no help |
| 15:33.55 | Muisje | abrotman so far as i can conclude it got injected by HTTP and run. this way it was possible to gain root access, 2 accounts are added with root priv's (uid 0) |
| 15:37.00 | \amethyst | JosephM: it says not to sync the log file with every log message, according to http://www.rsyslog.com/doc-rsyslog_conf_actions.html |
| 15:38.07 | JosephM | \amethyst:: Thank you very much |
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| 15:38.14 | elb0w | Anyone know why changing group on linux users breaks ssh private key auth? |
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| 15:39.05 | petemc | elb0w: i would take a guess at permissions |
| 15:39.17 | \amethyst | elb0w: did you also change the user ID? |
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| 15:45.04 | project2501b | where's the man page for gcc in the default installation of lenny? |
| 15:45.16 | elb0w | \amethyst, userid? |
| 15:45.17 | elb0w | no |
| 15:45.22 | elb0w | permissions are 700 |
| 15:45.27 | elb0w | and the group is the new user group |
| 15:45.33 | elb0w | for everything in .ssh |
| 15:45.43 | abrotman | project2501b: gcc-doc, in non-free |
| 15:45.52 | elb0w | sshd_config has no specific allowedgroups specified |
| 15:45.59 | jelly | elb0w: permissions for their home dir? |
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| 15:46.46 | \amethyst | elb0w: have you tried turning up LogLevel and checking auth.log ? |
| 15:47.36 | tuvwx | is there a conf file to use instead of xset? |
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| 15:49.26 | project2501b | abrotman: why in non-free? |
| 15:49.37 | abrotman | !tell project2501b about gfdl |
| 15:49.59 | project2501b | abrotman: ta, mate! |
| 15:50.01 | project2501b | will read |
| 15:50.10 | Will | no, you read |
| 15:50.25 | Will | also hi george :) |
| 15:50.29 | project2501b | roger. will co |
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| 15:50.39 | project2501b | hey mate |
| 15:51.01 | project2501b | cracks the whip on the will to read |
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| 15:52.23 | wobster | Hi everyone. On a fresh lenny installation, I seem to be lacking the manpages of findutils. Where are those hidden? |
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| 15:53.10 | abrotman | wobster: is that packag einstalled ? |
| 15:53.37 | wobster | sure |
| 15:53.53 | themill | wobster: what man page are you looking for? |
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| 15:54.12 | wobster | find specifically |
| 15:54.38 | themill | wobster: findutils: /usr/share/man/man1/find.1.gz |
| 15:55.54 | wobster | mh, man1 seems to be empty |
| 15:56.47 | themill | didn't install localepurge or something did you? |
| 15:57.37 | wobster | ah. reinstalling manpages worked out. thanks a lot. and sorry for this trivial stuff |
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| 16:00.14 | themill | wobster: heh np. It makes a pleasant change from people completely hosing their system and hoping that we can work out (a) how they did it, then (b) how to fix it :) |
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| 16:02.56 | Zer | Has anyone run into setfacl following symlinks even when -P is used? |
| 16:03.45 | \amethyst | Zer: are you using -R ? |
| 16:04.09 | nsadmin | what;s a setfacl? |
| 16:04.44 | Zer | amethyst: Yes |
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| 16:05.36 | Zer | It was a bit of a shock. I was using Wine, and it followed z:, setting all from / :) |
| 16:05.48 | Zer | Makes me wish there was a BEGIN TRANSACTION for filesystems |
| 16:07.05 | Zer | Hmm actually, let me try the newer version first. Seems I have one about two point releases below |
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| 16:18.16 | tuvwx | is there a conf file to use instead of xset? |
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| 16:19.31 | beardy | !Xdefaults |
| 16:19.32 | dpkg | it has been said that xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
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| 16:21.44 | tuvwx | so what should go into .Xresources to have the effect of, say, 'xset rate r 300 30' |
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| 16:23.46 | tuvwx | oop.. 'xset r rate 300 30' rather |
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| 16:29.46 | optraz | hi, im looking for a very light database to stored configurations. example of configuration to store is hostname, gateway, interface, etc etc |
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| 16:29.54 | optraz | anyone has suggestion for very light weight db? |
| 16:30.05 | xk | sqlite? |
| 16:30.14 | pseubodot | sqlite |
| 16:31.16 | optraz | just that? |
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| 16:32.06 | xk | well... how light weight you want to go? text-based file? :> |
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| 16:32.42 | optraz | xk: well, i prefer something like lightdb set key value, then this key value stored into db |
| 16:32.55 | Zer | Berkeley DB |
| 16:32.56 | petemc | cdb |
| 16:32.59 | optraz | it can be done from cli or from application written in java,c,scripts. |
| 16:33.02 | Diilbert | I am having an issue with ethtool not displaying the correct information for eth2 and eth3. ethtool and dmesg are telling two different stories. |
| 16:33.14 | Zer | Or, you know, SQLite is really quite light. Just make a table :) |
| 16:33.16 | Diilbert | I am running etch |
| 16:33.26 | themill | text file with some awk and sed fu... |
| 16:33.39 | optraz | ok, i erad on bdb and cdb , sqlite |
| 16:34.20 | Zer | That said, SQLite is public domain, Berkeley DB is nearly GPL |
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| 16:35.17 | optraz | Zer: bdb not in repository |
| 16:35.18 | optraz | mmm |
| 16:35.29 | LjL | how might i upgrade a postgresql 7.4 database to 8.4 on testing, given that i can't seem to install postgresql-7.4? (or, alternative, what do i do to solve "postgresql-7.4: Depends: postgresql-common (>= 24) but it is not going to be installed"?) |
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| 16:36.49 | Diilbert | I am having an issue with ethtool not displaying the correct information for eth2 and eth3. ethtool and dmesg are telling two different stories. |
| 16:37.16 | Zer | optraz, SQLite is probably long term what you'll want anyway |
| 16:37.17 | unfancy | well, one of them is lying |
| 16:37.27 | Zer | since if you need more than key-value you can easily add a table in it. It's quite fast |
| 16:37.43 | Diilbert | sorry about the double post.. |
| 16:37.44 | jelly | Diilbert: udev could have renamed/switched eth2 and eth3 around? |
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| 16:38.26 | Diilbert | jelly: how and when does that happen? |
| 16:38.38 | optraz | mmm, ok. there is one i found in google. hampus db |
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| 16:39.30 | Diilbert | jelly: I have 4 boxes running and identifcal hardware/software configuration and this is the only one with this weird issue |
| 16:39.41 | Diilbert | identical |
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| 16:41.14 | \amethyst | Diilbert: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is usually what does device renaming |
| 16:41.32 | \amethyst | Diilbert: based on the MAC, which is why it could be different on two machines with the same hardware |
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| 16:42.45 | Diilbert | Thanks! |
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| 16:43.55 | Peanut | Hi - can you get 'ipmiconsole' to work on Lenny? It seems to be available in 'testing', but not yet in 'stable'. |
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| 16:58.09 | djp_ | is rxvt the default terminal emulator when installing xorg? |
| 16:58.36 | abrotman | probably xterm |
| 16:59.43 | djp_ | abrotman: that's what i thought, though when i attempt to install xorg, it doesn't show xterm in the list of packages to be installed but instead xvrt... |
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| 17:00.39 | sepult | not bterm ??? |
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| 17:01.21 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 17:01.37 | uwjweq | Hi there xcdroast does not recognize my cd-burner. |
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| 17:04.00 | sepult | now i know when to use Immedia-Configure="false" |
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| 17:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | My system appears to be attempting, and failing to reach /dev/hdb, which is the CD drive. It's in a loop that is making the system mostly unresponsive. |
| 17:11.32 | dec3pti0n | hi, I have upgraded from etch to lenny 5.0.3 and now my default python is 2.5 .. is there anyway I can change that to point back to 2.4 ? |
| 17:11.39 | jhutchins_lt | I can't see a process to kill, the error messages are coming from "kernel". |
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| 17:12.09 | dec3pti0n | also my mod_python is only search under 2.5 modules, is there a way to make it search 2.4 as well ? |
| 17:12.55 | nsadmin | probably the 2.4 ones won't work under python 2.4 |
| 17:12.57 | nsadmin | err |
| 17:12.58 | jhutchins_lt | dec3pti0n: I would think that the one would accomplish the other. |
| 17:13.00 | nsadmin | probably the 2.4 ones won't work under python 2.5 |
| 17:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell dec3pti0n about pinnint |
| 17:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell dec3pti0n about pinning |
| 17:13.38 | themill | dec3pti0n: mod_python is only provided for python2.5 so no. |
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| 17:16.54 | tuvwx | so what should go into .Xresources to have the effect of, say, 'xset r rate 300 30' |
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| 17:19.40 | luke123 | my dvdrom doesnt show up in k3b or kaffeine....kernel 2.6.26-1 (squeeze) |
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| 17:19.58 | luke123 | has anyone an idea ? |
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| 17:20.34 | nsadmin | no power to drive? |
| 17:20.53 | luke123 | no....everything als always it turns on boot |
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| 17:21.07 | nsadmin | no data cable? |
| 17:21.29 | luke123 | cable is ok |
| 17:22.36 | nsadmin | hmm. in that case, I've run out of ideas... has it ever worked in k3b or kaffeine? |
| 17:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | luke123: Does it show up in lshw or lspci? |
| 17:23.34 | luke123 | yes it worked until somedays ago |
| 17:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if I can disable it in the BIOS. |
| 17:23.47 | jhutchins_lt | luke123: Does it _still_ show up in lspci and lshw? |
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| 17:24.25 | nsadmin | what else happened somedays ago? |
| 17:24.47 | karlpinc | luke123: Also check out dmidecode output to see if the bios even detects it. |
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| 17:25.17 | luke123 | jhutchins, no lshw doesnt work |
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| 17:25.40 | luke123 | and lspci only shows the ide-controller |
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| 17:26.22 | naquad | people, i'm trying to compile nvidia kernel driver, compilation is successfull, but i can |
| 17:26.26 | naquad | 't insert this module |
| 17:26.28 | naquad | version is 190.53 |
| 17:26.34 | naquad | error is: nvidia: no symbol version for module_layout |
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| 17:26.38 | naquad | any ideas? |
| 17:27.13 | karlpinc | naquad: Use the debian supplied version? |
| 17:27.42 | naquad | karlpinc: nv or nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 17:27.50 | JyZyXEL | [ 72.856125] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 390721792 |
| 17:27.52 | JyZyXEL | [ 72.856160] Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 48840224 |
| 17:27.52 | luke123 | nsadmin, nothing only system-updates |
| 17:27.53 | JyZyXEL | [ 72.856226] sd 0:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 17:27.58 | JyZyXEL | maaaaaaaan wut the heck is this shit |
| 17:28.01 | karlpinc | naquad: Or, to put it another way, why are you compling? |
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| 17:28.23 | karlpinc | naquad: I'm thinking of the non-free repository. (There must be something there, right?) |
| 17:28.38 | naquad | karlpinc: 1. there's no nvidia-kernel-source in my repo. 2. propietary drivers work better |
| 17:28.55 | naquad | karlpinc: trying to add from non-public |
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| 17:29.44 | themill | dpkg: tell naquad about nvidia |
| 17:29.53 | karlpinc | naquad: What works better depends on specific hardware. (I don't know anything about nvidia on debian, but am trying to explore your problem.) |
| 17:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | luke123: I would suggest that the CD hardware has failed. |
| 17:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | luke123: Possibly a cable has come loose, but probably just an electrical component went "phhht". |
| 17:30.56 | jhutchins_lt | naquad: Sounds like you compiled it against the wrong sources. |
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| 17:32.12 | naquad | jhutchins_lt: i think i'll simply install new kernel, 2.6.32.5, currently i've got 2.6.30 |
| 17:32.20 | karlpinc | luke123: Yeah it feels hardware. (and what does dmidecode say?) |
| 17:32.44 | naquad | karlpinc: thank you for help, maybe kernel update will solve the trouble |
| 17:32.51 | luke123 | a lot but not relevant..... |
| 17:33.01 | karlpinc | !tell naquad about make-kpkg |
| 17:33.37 | themill | naquad: you might find life less painful if you just use the debian packages for these things. |
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| 17:33.46 | karlpinc | luke123: It has vaneshed from the ken of electronica. |
| 17:34.12 | luke123 | i dont think so.....cause when i boot with a disc inside it says something with could not read scrambled sector......blah blah |
| 17:35.40 | luke123 | karlpinc, ill try something else.....but thanks for you help |
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| 17:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I think both luke123 are looking at bad drives. |
| 17:37.40 | jhutchins_lt | and I that is. |
| 17:37.47 | luke123 | so i do the knoppix-test ;-) |
| 17:37.52 | luke123 | until later |
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| 17:38.17 | Muisje | Debian really should get a feature so i can login using a rescue cd and reinstall all binaries... that would be so awesome |
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| 17:44.42 | karlpinc | Muisje: Wouldn't that be "restoring a backup"? Or do you want something more like "/msg dpkg aptitude clone"? |
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| 17:45.28 | elt0n | hey everybody, can someone explain me why this is wrong? http://pastebin.com/d674dda77 |
| 17:45.44 | Luke123 | hi guys.....its no hardware problem..... |
| 17:45.44 | Muisje | karlpinc nah, i know about that method, all i wanted to say is a rescue mode in which you can load clean media and fix the install from outside the installation |
| 17:46.05 | elt0n | i need to add a route to my other ips |
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| 17:46.17 | rswarbrick | Muisje: Can't you already do that? |
| 17:46.24 | rswarbrick | You can boot and then chroot, no? |
| 17:46.32 | Muisje | In a rooted system? |
| 17:46.35 | themill | rswarbrick: no, he can't chroot |
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| 17:47.18 | rswarbrick | Well, (I know this is a bit late but) why don't you backup data + config files next time? Then you can just blow the whole lot away... |
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| 17:47.49 | Muisje | i have that, i'm currently making the latest backup so i don't fear losing 2/3 days old files |
| 17:48.05 | Muisje | after that it's going to reinstall and aptitude cloning |
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| 17:48.13 | rswarbrick | Mmm. Have fun... |
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| 17:49.39 | karlpinc | elt0n: Maybe it wants the non-network bits in the network address to be 0? |
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| 17:51.11 | elt0n | karlpinc, nope...if i type 78.46.171.30 instead of 34 it's not working ether |
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| 17:52.12 | bluehaze | can anyone point me to a good site for a how to on NFS setup? i want to mount a folder on linux onto a mac. |
| 17:52.45 | sepult | is there anything like dma for usb too ? |
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| 17:53.30 | simonrvn | bluehaze: question unclear. which is the server end? |
| 17:54.22 | karlpinc | elt0n: 78.46.86.1 is on your directly attached lan? |
| 17:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | sepult: It's in the hardware. |
| 17:55.30 | elt0n | karlpinc, hmm don't know it's the gateway of my root server |
| 17:56.07 | bluehaze | simonrvn. thanks for the response.. yea i am sure its unclear.. as i am just starting to research how this is going to work. Basically a user has a linux workstation that has a folder in it. That folder contains data for website that she needs to update realtime and look at the result in realtime. she uses the mac to make changes.. the linux is the one serving out the pages. so i need to mount the linux folder onto the mac os. |
| 17:56.15 | karlpinc | elt0n: Gateways must be directly attached. (You can tell by looking at your local IP and netmask.) |
| 17:56.19 | jhutchins_lt | elt0n: THat pastbin looks blank to me. |
| 17:56.35 | bluehaze | simonrvn: so what your are saying.. is i need to set up an nfs server on the linux first? |
| 17:56.48 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Worked for me. |
| 17:56.54 | elt0n | jhutchins, oh sry deleted by mistake |
| 17:56.58 | jhutchins_lt | bluehaze: Rsync might be good. |
| 17:57.11 | simonrvn | bluehaze: aptitude install nfs-kernel-server on your debian box |
| 17:57.25 | simonrvn | rsync is a pain to run every 2 seconds |
| 17:57.27 | bluehaze | jhutchins.. it needs to be in real time .. as when she makes changes on the mac.. she wants to access that website on the linux to see the changes. |
| 17:57.43 | simonrvn | bluehaze: i have a similar setup. nfs is exactly what i do. |
| 17:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | bluehaze: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO.html |
| 17:58.09 | karlpinc | bluehaze: There's also the option to make the Linux box a samba server instead of using nfs. Not a whole lot of difference to the user. YMMV. |
| 17:58.20 | elt0n | jhutchins http://pastebin.com/d1fd5cdc4 heres the new one. karlpinc i also added output of ifconfig and route |
| 17:58.38 | simonrvn | bluehaze: setting up the mac os box is not our bailiwick in here for that go see #macosx (could be ##macosx) on this network |
| 17:59.13 | bluehaze | thanks simon.. i was thinking more on what to do on the linux box.. but sure thanks. |
| 18:00.19 | karlpinc | bluehaze: I prefer nfs because samba seems full of voodoo. But the world is configured to make it "easy" to interact with MS and so samba can sometimes be the easier option. |
| 18:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | elt0n: You are using a single IP with a netmask; the IP is not at an appropriate subnet boundary. |
| 18:03.14 | simonrvn | bluehaze: just make sure you setup your nfs mount with the proper settings and you won't have problems (it's easy btw). also i recommend using tcp instead of the default udp. more overhead from tcp but it's more reliable IME. |
| 18:03.22 | elt0n | jhutchins, so what would be an apropriate boundary? |
| 18:03.35 | karlpinc | elt0n, jhutchins_lt : I should have seen that. (It should end in .32) |
| 18:03.49 | elt0n | karlpinc, jhutchins ahh ok thx |
| 18:04.08 | karlpinc | elt0n: But why did you pick that number/netmask? You better be sure what you're doing. |
| 18:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | Subnet boundaries are a pain. BIND has also started enforcing them on recent releases. |
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| 18:04.35 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It matches his existing netmask. |
| 18:04.44 | elt0n | because this is my public server ip |
| 18:04.50 | elt0n | karlpinc, |
| 18:04.51 | rcbarnes | if I want to update my nvidia binary kernel module, does is this sequence safe: rm -r ~src/modules/nvidia-kernel ; [update nvidia-kernel-source package] ; [ untar ~src/nvidia-kernel.tar.bz2] ; run 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg modules_image' ; install the produced nvidia.* deb file (I build my kernel from source and am running it now, but I don't know if there might be interactions the files in /boot from my last make-kpkg ) |
| 18:04.51 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Yeah. That makes me suspicious. |
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| 18:05.23 | elt0n | karlpinc, jhutchins, so i got 4 ip's for my root server |
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| 18:05.45 | elt0n | and i want to use the first for my XEN server, and the others for my vms |
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| 18:06.11 | elt0n | and as it is a hetzer server they bind all 4 adresses to the same dev with only one mac adress |
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| 18:07.39 | laurus | This is totally off-topic, but can anyone recommend a good domain name registrar? |
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| 18:07.45 | zorrolero | elt0n: updated your pastebin:) http://pastebin.com/d5b78e285 |
| 18:09.01 | elt0n | zorrolero, how did you get these infos? |
| 18:09.21 | elt0n | jhutchins, karlpinc and the tutorial tells me to add the 3 ips from the second subnet as host routes but this isnt working because the net is not known ;) |
| 18:09.42 | zorrolero | elt0n: by sipcalc ... aptitude install sipcalc ;) |
| 18:09.56 | elt0n | ah ok thx |
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| 18:13.17 | deed02392 | is there a way to make rm interactive only for directories, not also having to descend into them and acknowledge each file within them? |
| 18:14.08 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: yes, but what you're asking for is kind of complicated and probably not worth doing |
| 18:14.20 | deed02392 | right |
| 18:14.22 | deed02392 | what's my alternative? |
| 18:15.13 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: it would look something like find foo -type f -print0|xargs -0 rm -f; rm -ri foo; or similar |
| 18:15.19 | rgr | can someone remcommend a no frills "just plug it in and work2 web cam for a laptop with usb 1.1 running testng? No module-assistant or firmware downloads etc. Just plug in and go? |
| 18:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | deed02392: Probably find .... -delete |
| 18:15.46 | pigdude | dondelelcaro, the problem there is that deep directories will not be processed first |
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| 18:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | Meh? | xargs? When find has an explicit delete option? |
| 18:16.06 | pigdude | does it have an explicit interactive delete option? |
| 18:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | find -depth |
| 18:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | pigdude: I do not believe it is interactive, as in asking for a confirmation. |
| 18:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | "find . -type d -depth -exec rm -ri '{}' \; " probably |
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| 18:18.31 | pigdude | CutMeOwnThroat, cool, I never use -depth but that's very useful |
| 18:19.10 | tobago | it's me again. i still can't install debian on my machine... debian still doesn't support my nic realtek rtl8111/8168b. i used a lot of iso put onto my usb stick by unetbootin. the menu doesn't allow to skip nic detection. so how to install debian on my machine? |
| 18:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and I learned you don't have to escape the {} in bash these days :) |
| 18:19.29 | dondelelcaro | pigdude: uh, no, they don't. |
| 18:19.55 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: because -delete is relatively new |
| 18:20.00 | dondelelcaro | always forgets about it |
| 18:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's rm -f; supposed to do? |
| 18:20.59 | nsadmin | supposed: command not found |
| 18:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course rm can be found |
| 18:21.32 | nsadmin | but supposed woudln't be |
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| 18:21.42 | tobago | i only found an old package for my nic (only for kernel 2.6.24). both kernel 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 doesn't support my nic and unfortunately debian only delivers netinst-isos. |
| 18:21.43 | AimHere | rm -f removes whatever it is without asking you if you're making a mistake |
| 18:21.58 | nsadmin | it negates -i |
| 18:22.32 | abrotman | tobago: what is your NIC? |
| 18:22.42 | jhutchins_lt | tobago: I don't know what you mean by "debian only delivers netinst-isos", debian's gotta have the widest range of installers available. |
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| 18:23.55 | tobago | abrotman, realtek rtl8111/8168b |
| 18:24.35 | abrotman | i meant the pciid |
| 18:24.40 | tobago | jhutchins, can you give me a link to an iso without netinstallation? i only found netins-isos |
| 18:24.57 | abrotman | tobago: the netinst can install without the use of the internet also |
| 18:26.33 | Bird|ghosted | whoa. |
| 18:26.33 | abrotman | tobago: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:26.34 | Bird|ghosted | btw, Squeeze just pulled in 2.6.32 |
| 18:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jules! |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: over the weekend |
| 18:26.34 | Bird|ghosted | jup :) |
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| 18:26.34 | Bird|ghosted | the good news: the kernel boots/runs OOB |
| 18:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | AimHere, "rm -f;" does nothing, though... I was a bit wondering about the ... educational value of that example :) |
| 18:26.44 | Bird|ghosted | bad news: b43 on this box = the dreaded "fatal DMA error" |
| 18:27.08 | tobago | abrotman, i know this source. i created an usb installation by unetbootin with http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso , but it didn't work for me and my nic. |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | tobago: okay, now what's teh PCIID ? |
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| 18:28.41 | tobago | abrotman, Intel US15W SCH --> http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2-specifications/ |
| 18:28.57 | abrotman | that's not a PCIID |
| 18:29.05 | abrotman | tobago: lspci -nn |
| 18:29.19 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, lspci -nn from the liveusb/livecd |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | doesn't ahve to be a liveCD at all .. the install he has should work jsut fine |
| 18:29.28 | tobago | abrotman, Bird|ghosted will have to boot the other pc again. |
| 18:29.46 | Bird|ghosted | I have an 8111/8168 in this box: my pciid is 10ec:8168 for comparison purposes |
| 18:29.52 | Bird|ghosted | *a working 8111/8168 |
| 18:30.08 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, sry, misunderstood the state of his comp :) |
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| 18:31.59 | tobago | abrotman, Bird|ghosted 10ec:8168 |
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| 18:33.42 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, same as mine then... |
| 18:33.42 | abrotman | tobago: that should work |
| 18:33.42 | Bird|ghosted | do you get complaints about fw being missing? |
| 18:33.42 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, so how did you install debian with kernel 2.6.32 ? |
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| 18:35.02 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, well. it complains about the cd-rom (because there is none) and nic (there is one, but not supported by the kernel) |
| 18:35.02 | simonrvn | weeee |
| 18:35.02 | tobago | the missing cd rom is not the problem. that is why i use usb for installation. |
| 18:35.11 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, what kernel version is this? |
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| 18:35.16 | tobago | but in the menue i can't seen any possibility to skip network detection (which fails) |
| 18:35.27 | Bird|ghosted | because the 8111/8168 uses in-tree drivers |
| 18:35.29 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, i tried both 2.6.30 and 2.6.32 |
| 18:36.04 | Bird|ghosted | because the card worked for me with both kernels you just mentioned :o |
| 18:36.27 | Bird|ghosted | (it's what I'm using atm, as my BCM4315 suffers from the dreaded 'fatal DMA error' disease) |
| 18:36.58 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, the nic detection worked? can you give the link to the iso i should use? |
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| 18:37.23 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, this was on a running system, not a livecd/... |
| 18:38.05 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, alright. i also found a lot of tutorials how to make a running system recognize the nic. but i need a way to install on a naked system. |
| 18:38.47 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, try lspci -vv'ing from a terminal and seeing what driver (if any) is trying to pick up the nic |
| 18:39.16 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, alright. i change the pc... |
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| 18:44.27 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, i guess i tries "pata_sch". |
| 18:44.44 | tobago | there was a kernel-driver: pata_sch |
| 18:44.55 | leejongwook | how would i know when somebody hacked my pc ? |
| 18:45.25 | leejongwook | i mean if :P |
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| 18:45.37 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, o.O O.o and that is picking up your NIC? weird... |
| 18:46.39 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, if there was an offline installation like the ubuntu, i'd use and correct the driver later... |
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| 18:47.19 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, I still have no clue why pata_sch would be attaching to your nic |
| 18:47.24 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, *ping* |
| 18:47.45 | oggei | tobago: someone already told you debian provide a lot of installation media |
| 18:48.09 | oggei | you don't really have to install from network, if you cannot/don't want |
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| 18:48.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:49.13 | abrotman | tobago: lspci -k .. which driver does it say for that device ? |
| 18:49.31 | tobago | oggei, yes someone did. and someone also pasted a link to some isos. i used: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 18:49.43 | tobago | abrotman, i check it. |
| 18:49.51 | oggei | so, there is an "offline installation like the ubuntu", no ? |
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| 18:51.18 | leejongwook | oggei, when you install debian, how long does it takes ? |
| 18:51.34 | oggei | dunno, 20' or so |
| 18:51.54 | tobago | abrotman, no driver (maybe i mixed something up before; i guess the pata_sch was for ide) |
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| 18:52.07 | Bird|ghosted | yeah, pata_sch is for ide, that's why i was confused :p |
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| 18:52.16 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, sorry. |
| 18:52.18 | nooper | 20 arcminutes? |
| 18:52.40 | leejongwook | more than 50 minutes for me |
| 18:52.41 | tobago | but for network controller, there is no kernel module mentioned |
| 18:52.48 | simonrvn | it's also shorthand for the time unit |
| 18:52.54 | nooper | o |
| 18:53.13 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, ah. odd. |
| 18:53.35 | leejongwook | i hate install, take too long time |
| 18:53.36 | oggei | leejongwook: anyway, it's usually a one time step, so ? |
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| 18:53.56 | leejongwook | for me, no |
| 18:54.01 | oggei | you can mechanize whole process |
| 18:54.07 | leejongwook | i did maybe about 50 times |
| 18:54.12 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, as i've read a lot before: there is no driver support for my nic. |
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| 18:54.31 | oggei | but if you're just learning basics, it's not preseeding time |
| 18:54.51 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, wtf? r8169 supports that |
| 18:55.02 | aleray | Hello, can I install a software in my ~/bin without beeing root with aptitude ? |
| 18:55.09 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, y |
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| 18:55.14 | oggei | aleray: no |
| 18:55.30 | aleray | oggei: is there any alternative ? |
| 18:55.44 | aleray | I don't fill like compiling all the dependencies |
| 18:55.45 | oggei | rooting box ? |
| 18:55.46 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, your livecd is missing the drivers then |
| 18:55.47 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, but you had to use it explicitly, didn't you? |
| 18:55.51 | Bird|ghosted | no |
| 18:56.04 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, it's http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 18:56.14 | aleray | oggei: it is for installing graphviz on a shared plan server |
| 18:56.25 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, try a 'modprobe r8169' on the box with the network problems |
| 18:56.28 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, please give me a link with a (for me) working iso. |
| 18:56.30 | oggei | aleray: ask to sysadmin |
| 18:56.33 | Bird|ghosted | and tell me what dmesg output you get |
| 18:56.43 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, o.k. |
| 18:57.44 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, Module r8169 not found. |
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| 18:59.05 | archboxman | I want to which one is harder to install Debian or ArchLinux ... ? |
| 18:59.09 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, ok. the r8169 module is AWOL from your livecd's kernel |
| 18:59.20 | aleray | oggei: isn't there any alternative ? |
| 18:59.31 | oggei | aleray: not using debian tools |
| 18:59.34 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, and what to do now? |
| 18:59.45 | oggei | tobago: install with bigger iso, and then update kernel |
| 18:59.56 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, try the netinst cd |
| 19:00.10 | tobago | oggei, which iso? (i already tried 3 different before and all were not working) |
| 19:00.19 | oggei | well, follow links |
| 19:00.22 | oggei | www.debian.org and click click |
| 19:00.24 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, no cd device. |
| 19:00.30 | Bird|ghosted | whatever cd you're using is missing r8169 for some goofy reason |
| 19:00.36 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, netinst usb then ;) |
| 19:00.39 | oggei | you can download a little image with minimal system installable |
| 19:00.39 | tobago | oggei, that's whyt i did. |
| 19:00.45 | oggei | and put it on a usb stick |
| 19:00.53 | oggei | that you already prepared with usb d-i version |
| 19:01.05 | oggei | so, if you want to learn, go and read, anyway stay here telling debian sux |
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| 19:01.22 | tobago | oggei, i prepared my usb stick with unetbootin (on my ubuntu system) |
| 19:01.30 | archboxman | I have ArchLinux installed now ,but thinking about going to Debian Archlinux is gets far to many updates dailey drives me nuts |
| 19:01.34 | oggei | i prepare mine zcatting to device |
| 19:01.39 | oggei | because debian > ubuntu AHAHAH |
| 19:01.54 | tobago | oggei, that doesn't help me installing debian |
| 19:01.56 | macrobat | archboxman: debian installer is prettier. stable has less updates |
| 19:02.00 | leejongwook | archboxman, i see |
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| 19:02.22 | oggei | tobago: so inform yourself on Good Ways To Learn |
| 19:02.27 | oggei | for me, it's supermarket time, aloha |
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| 19:02.54 | LjL | how might i upgrade a postgresql 7.4 database to 8.4 on testing, given that i can't seem to install postgresql-7.4? (or, alternative, what do i do to solve "postgresql-7.4: Depends: postgresql-common (>= 24) but it is not going to be installed"?) |
| 19:02.56 | archboxman | leejongwook: U see what I got 5 or 6 updates today in less then 6 hours |
| 19:03.04 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, try the netinst? but my nic is not working. |
| 19:03.07 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 19:03.42 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, I think the CD your using is missing some drivers |
| 19:03.54 | Bird|ghosted | and that there's a better chance you'll find them on a netinst image |
| 19:03.55 | leejongwook | archboxman, didn't know about arch much, it looks cool so i wanted to try it one day, but changed my mind after you said that |
| 19:03.57 | nkuttler | i need to monitor the contents of remote websites. i've been using nagios so far but it's way to powerful for what i need. any recommendations for a simple replacement? |
| 19:03.59 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, i don't use any cd. i prepared an usb stick by unetbootin. |
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| 19:04.20 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, and i used: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 19:04.31 | archboxman | I've used Ubuntu and Linux Mint and various other debian based distro's I know it is stable... |
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| 19:04.54 | leejongwook | archboxman, i guess the debian is the best ? |
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| 19:05.02 | archboxman | leejongwook: I would say the install alone will teach you a lot about linux period well worth trying |
| 19:05.05 | nkuttler | LjL: well, usually you wait until the dependencies are in testing |
| 19:05.31 | leejongwook | :) |
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| 19:05.50 | archboxman | pacman vs apt-get I choice apt-get |
| 19:05.53 | Bird|ghosted | tobago, prepare a usb stick from the netboot cd |
| 19:06.00 | LjL | nkuttler: ehm, what dependencies? i mean, 7.4 has been in testing for a long time - it's old - and it's the one not installing. |
| 19:06.06 | LjL | the new one installs fine |
| 19:06.20 | nkuttler | ah. then it's probably being removed |
| 19:06.21 | LjL | but i can't migrate data because pg_upgradecluster requires both 7.4 and 8.4 to be running |
| 19:06.25 | archboxman | leejongwook: Archlinux packmanager and Debians are much the same |
| 19:06.35 | tobago | Bird|ghosted, this iso: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso seems to be a netboot |
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| 19:06.43 | tobago | which i used... |
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| 19:06.49 | archboxman | Debian has apt-get and apt-fast with axel... |
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| 19:07.18 | archboxman | ArchLinux has pacman and powerpill with iark2 ... |
| 19:07.19 | Bird|ghosted | oh...hmmm. |
| 19:07.52 | leejongwook | archboxman, come back to debian :) |
| 19:08.39 | nkuttler | LjL: what's your apt-cache policy postgresql-common output ? |
| 19:08.54 | archboxman | Archlinux community is what is pushing me out the door.. They wouldn't help a newbie if there life depended on it... There documentation is bad... |
| 19:09.12 | LjL | nkuttler: Installed: 103 Candidate: 103 Version table: *** 103 0 500 http://debian.fastweb.it testing/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 19:09.29 | LjL | nkuttler: which does indeed seem greater than 24 to me |
| 19:09.32 | nkuttler | LjL: yeah, 105 here. the error doesn't make much sense |
| 19:10.08 | nkuttler | LjL: sounds like something you want to file a bug against. no idea |
| 19:10.16 | jhutchins_lt | I know this is OT, but I have a tar that wants to extract to foo/, and I would like it to extract to bar/ - is that possible? |
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| 19:10.39 | archboxman | leejongwook: then they ask me why go back to debian like it is a sin ... I hate to tell people ,but I have tried about 20 distros over 10 years... I like variety... |
| 19:11.09 | leejongwook | @_@ 10 years... |
| 19:11.38 | LjL | nkuttler: oh, i know what it is (aptitude explained better) - postgresql-common *conflicts* with postgresql-7.4 |
| 19:11.51 | nkuttler | ah |
| 19:11.51 | archboxman | leejongwook: trust me that Archlinux will test ur knowledge about were config files are |
| 19:12.10 | tabashco | jhutchins_lt: is 'tar foo.tar -C bar/' what you are looking for? |
| 19:12.11 | archboxman | leejongwook: Archlinux is a lot of manual config files |
| 19:12.19 | LjL | nkuttler: so i guess you're right about 7.4 being removed. still, i'd really rather migrate this database :| |
| 19:12.22 | nkuttler | LjL: well, sounds like they want to remove postgresql-7.4. if that cluster stuff is in debian you probably still want to file a bug |
| 19:12.29 | leejongwook | archboxman, i see @_@ |
| 19:12.38 | nkuttler | LjL: if it's in stable there has to be an upgrade path |
| 19:12.44 | jhutchins_lt | No, the problem is that it will then extract to bar/foo/ - I want the files to go to bar/ |
| 19:12.46 | archboxman | leejongwook: and this boot time being so fast is a joke |
| 19:12.54 | LjL | nkuttler: ok |
| 19:12.55 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 19:13.04 | jhutchins_lt | tabashco: I need to strip the top directory. |
| 19:13.46 | jhutchins_lt | Ah HA! --strip N! |
| 19:14.29 | archboxman | leejongwook: what they do is limit the number of packages and office tools and strip away dhcp and go dsl for a static ip ... So there boot times come down.. What I will say has taught me a lesson is I don't use OpenOffice so 825mb for nothing has me remove it every time |
| 19:15.14 | Muisje | When using virtualization (OpenVZ) with Debian, is it ok to have everything in 1 partition besides boot/swap? |
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| 19:15.25 | funky | hello |
| 19:15.41 | funky | is there any way to have a 32bits browser on a 64bits system ? |
| 19:15.54 | funky | an easy way* |
| 19:16.11 | funky | i know about chrooting a 32bits environment etc |
| 19:16.14 | abrotman | funky: the AMD64 howto has a chroot tutorial |
| 19:16.21 | abrotman | !tell funky about amd64 |
| 19:16.27 | funky | !tell me! |
| 19:16.29 | dondelelcaro | funky: until multi-arch, that's how you do it |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | bleh .. wait .. wrong link |
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| 19:17.03 | abrotman | funky: which version of Debian ? |
| 19:17.06 | funky | sid |
| 19:17.27 | archboxman | leejongwook: this site will give you a great look at package managers http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_Rosetta |
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| 19:18.24 | leejongwook | i'm so satisfied with debian :) except the installation time(takes about 55 minutes with live-cd), i understand when it's downloading something but i don't understand why it keep asked me something in the middle of the installation time. |
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| 19:18.39 | funky | abrotman: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 19:18.49 | leejongwook | archboxman, @_@ |
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| 19:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's doing it in the middle of configuring packages... and while that's annoying, it's hard to avoid |
| 19:19.38 | archboxman | leejongwook: took me 3 days because of there need to make a wiki install manual that has all the options ran one ontop other |
| 19:19.51 | abrotman | funky: no, what dondelelcaro is mentioning is the better way |
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| 19:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | Which user removal command deletes user files as well? |
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| 19:20.41 | \3TATUK | How can I lookup which package provides /usr/bin/totem ? |
| 19:20.44 | archboxman | leejongwook: never heard of putting x server drivers ontop of Nvidia drivers and ontop of Ati drivers the manual is just lumped together |
| 19:21.44 | archboxman | leejongwook: if bold words are to seperate data you crazy... that fine print I have to ctrl and + to increase font |
| 19:21.49 | \3TATUK | jhutchins_lt: maybe try `sudo deluser` or `rm -rf /home/*user*` |
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| 19:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | \3TATUK: either userdel or deluser does it automatically. |
| 19:22.16 | leejongwook | archboxman, i won't try it @_@ |
| 19:22.31 | leejongwook | i'll keep stick to debian :) |
| 19:23.02 | \3TATUK | jhutchins_lt: Looks like you need to specify --force to `userdel`. |
| 19:23.20 | archboxman | leejongwook: Give it a try worth all the effort just make sure you have great understanding cli before you try or you will be read commands all day... ;) |
| 19:23.28 | funky | abrotman: he only said that until multi-arch that's (chroot) how I have to do it |
| 19:23.31 | funky | i think |
| 19:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | \3TATUK: userdel -r |
| 19:23.59 | archboxman | leejongwook: don't worry its a bit much ,but what learn will stick with you no matter what linux distro you use |
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| 19:25.32 | archboxman | configuring xorg.conf, rc.conf, .xinitrc and grub menu.lst is a great idea :) to learn linux same files are in debian as well |
| 19:25.45 | xsamurai | anybody have this issue on debian lenny http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435271 |
| 19:26.32 | \3TATUK | Will change descriptions for the currently available updates ever likely be provided? (libc6/libc6-dev/libc6-i686/locales) |
| 19:27.13 | leejongwook | archboxman, :) |
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| 19:27.57 | archboxman | leejongwook: how many of these files do you have to configure in debian?? |
| 19:28.01 | erry | um |
| 19:28.11 | leejongwook | mm... |
| 19:28.11 | erry | i just fixed my computer, so i dont want it ruined again |
| 19:28.20 | erry | i have one little tiny problem though: xorg ignores my driver |
| 19:28.21 | erry | s |
| 19:28.32 | erry | they're there, i can configure their settings through cli, but Xorg things they're not there |
| 19:28.45 | leejongwook | archboxman, no need to, except one xorg.conf for my graphic card :) |
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| 19:29.44 | archboxman | erry: /etc/X11 and ls -a show hidden files if not there it might be in your home folder.. |
| 19:29.58 | leejongwook | archboxman, and i made it in script. so i don't need to see all the headache stuff every time |
| 19:30.09 | erry | archboxman, i don't think you get my problem. |
| 19:30.09 | tobago | i downloaded the source for my nic: http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#2 how to included it into the debian setup, if possible? |
| 19:30.13 | archboxman | erry: locate filename |
| 19:30.20 | erry | archboxman, you don't get my problem. |
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| 19:30.38 | archboxman | locate filename |
| 19:30.51 | erry | .. |
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| 19:31.13 | abrotman | tobago: the driver is already there |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | tobago: didn't i ask you a question awhile ago ? |
| 19:31.47 | archboxman | erry what with that locate filename locate tell you were any file is at |
| 19:32.05 | tobago | abrotman, but modprobe r8169 told mt that there is no module r8169 |
| 19:32.10 | tobago | me |
| 19:32.11 | abrotman | archboxman: he's gone |
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| 19:32.19 | leejongwook | archboxman, yes he's gone |
| 19:32.34 | abrotman | tobago: right, it has a different name .. |
| 19:32.47 | archboxman | abrotman: I see that and I don't even use debian ,but everyone knows it locate file |
| 19:33.03 | tobago | abrotman, another name than r8169? which one? |
| 19:33.05 | abrotman | tobago: oh, i misread, that should work |
| 19:33.11 | archboxman | dont know if updatedb works in debain though |
| 19:33.16 | abrotman | archboxman: that isn't what he was asking |
| 19:33.21 | tobago | abrotman, but modprobe r8169 told mt that there is no module r8169 |
| 19:33.43 | abrotman | archboxman: and that only works if you've run updatedb and have a valid db for locate to use |
| 19:33.59 | jelly-home | archboxman: there are at least 3 different locate/updatedb implementations in debian... fun! |
| 19:34.23 | archboxman | jelly-home: wow ;) |
| 19:34.50 | archboxman | DEBIAN IS GREAT AT HAVING MORE THEN ONE TOOL TO DO A JOB ;) |
| 19:35.03 | abrotman | wishes there were a tool to remotely kill capslock ... |
| 19:35.17 | archboxman | lol |
| 19:35.22 | leejongwook | i just learnt new linux command :) ---> "locate", i used to find files with "find" command @_@ |
| 19:35.47 | abrotman | leejongwook: make sure you learn 'updatedb' also |
| 19:35.52 | archboxman | leejongwook: find is no good locate is faster |
| 19:36.07 | leejongwook | updatedb :) |
| 19:36.08 | archboxman | pwd in linux is another great cli |
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| 19:37.37 | archboxman | leejongwook: also important are other commands such as id,pwd,cp,mv,history,su,sudo and top |
| 19:38.05 | leejongwook | yes i know them :) thanks |
| 19:38.26 | leejongwook | come to debian archboxman |
| 19:38.34 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 19:38.35 | archboxman | lol |
| 19:38.54 | themill | sends the kids off to play in a /msg |
| 19:38.59 | archboxman | leejongwook: want to take a break before another install |
| 19:39.08 | leejongwook | ok :) |
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| 19:40.46 | archboxman | leejongwook: you also done | less for pipes |
| 19:41.09 | leejongwook | yes :) |
| 19:41.42 | leejongwook | i love linux :) especially debian |
| 19:42.28 | leejongwook | but don't wanna go too deep yet :) |
| 19:42.38 | archboxman | I love apt-get and apt-fast even thought I heard axel is unreliable |
| 19:42.41 | thaostra | i prefer FreeBSD, but that's just me |
| 19:43.26 | archboxman | thaostra: Used NetBSD back in the day secure and work horses |
| 19:43.53 | jelly-home | wtf is apt-fast? |
| 19:43.57 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 19:44.03 | tobago | abrotman, is there a way to install the driver from bash after booting by usb? |
| 19:44.12 | abrotman | tobago: you'd have to build it i presume |
| 19:44.38 | thaostra | Archboxman: did you use NetBSD because of the immense focus on security? |
| 19:44.49 | archboxman | jelly-home: apt-get with a download accelerator works about 4 times as fast as apt-get ,but is a bit unrealible |
| 19:44.57 | leejongwook | FreeBSD-8 looks really cool but don't want to spend another year for it. feels like too wasting my life for learning O.S. I just want to enjoy it. |
| 19:45.02 | tobago | abrotman, o.k. i will search for how to build it. then boot again, try to install the driver and then use the debian netinst. correctly? |
| 19:45.03 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 19:45.19 | abrotman | tobago: or build it after you install ? |
| 19:45.42 | tobago | abrotman, but the installation can't be done without the nic detection. |
| 19:45.47 | thaostra | FreeBSD has ZFS and ports, so it's really good |
| 19:45.49 | \3TATUK | abrotman: FreeBSD is officially part of the Debian project now, so it's not exactly off topic. :p |
| 19:46.00 | thaostra | i guess |
| 19:46.02 | abrotman | \3TATUK: they're not takling about that .. don't play innocent |
| 19:46.05 | abrotman | thaostra: #debian-offtpoic please |
| 19:46.10 | leejongwook | \3TATUK, that's cool |
| 19:46.22 | abrotman | erm .. #debian-offtopic |
| 19:48.18 | archboxman | thaostra: sorry we got cut off by abrotman ;0 |
| 19:48.27 | abrotman | ITYM, moved |
| 19:48.34 | thaostra | it's ok |
| 19:48.54 | \3TATUK | Will squeeze give the option of selecting either kFreeBSD or Linux from GRUB? |
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| 19:49.34 | abrotman | \3TATUK: i'd guess not, seems like it could be ocnfusing |
| 19:49.58 | archboxman | jelly-home: apt-fast has only been out for about a month now |
| 19:49.59 | \3TATUK | Seems like a good way to start out adding an entirely different kernel to Debian, though. |
| 19:50.29 | jelly-home | archboxman: it's not in debian. |
| 19:50.56 | archboxman | its a deb package though |
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| 19:51.12 | abrotman | archboxman: this is still #debian, please keep it on topic |
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| 19:52.35 | archboxman | abrotman: apt-get and apt-fast are debian packages ... that is not off topic the producers of apt-fast haven't had a chance to fully test the package before submitting it for a review by debian |
| 19:52.56 | abrotman | archboxman: this channel is for Debian .. not whatever software decides to make a .deb |
| 19:53.03 | siOuX_ | somebody have problem with netinstall? because i am trying to install and an error ocurred. Repositorist that i try is: EUA, Brazil, and sweden. |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | siOuX_: what is that error? |
| 19:53.20 | archboxman | I go off-topic |
| 19:53.26 | archboxman | have fun |
| 19:53.28 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 19:53.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: what better channel do you suggest for apt helpers that are going to end up in d anyway? |
| 19:53.48 | leejongwook | sometimes people say that but don't get too over it archboxman |
| 19:53.56 | siOuX_ | abrotman bad repository. It´s not find Realease info |
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| 19:54.22 | leejongwook | debian family never abandoned on me and you :) |
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| 19:54.47 | abrotman | jelly-home: will they? |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | siOuX_: are you going through a proxy of some sort ? |
| 19:55.05 | Muisje | abrotman, fyi in case you want to know, in 30 minutes i'm re-installing |
| 19:55.29 | siOuX_ | abrotman no, my network dont have proxy |
| 19:55.31 | abrotman | took you long enough :) |
| 19:55.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: if not totally crap, I imagine they will, yes. |
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| 19:56.04 | Muisje | abrotman, understand the reason. I can re-install anytime, but learn how the computer got infected and how to find out, thats way more valuable |
| 19:56.16 | abrotman | Muisje: you were supposed to image the drive |
| 19:56.19 | Muisje | i didn't even knew there was such thing as rkhunter and chkrootkit |
| 19:56.33 | Muisje | abrotman, as if i would keep a backup from 3 months ago :) |
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| 19:56.45 | abrotman | Muisje: i meant for study .. have fun |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | siOuX_: which installer are you using ? |
| 19:56.53 | Muisje | ah like that |
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| 19:57.02 | eightfold | how do i run a dante config? |
| 19:57.07 | Muisje | Anyway, future i'm using openVZ |
| 19:57.12 | Muisje | easier to backup :) |
| 19:57.18 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 19:57.19 | siOuX_ | abrotman netinstall, |
| 19:57.25 | abrotman | siOuX_: lenny? squeeze? |
| 19:57.30 | siOuX_ | lenny |
| 19:57.39 | eightfold | is dante a proxy? |
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| 19:57.57 | abrotman | siOuX_: are you doing the install, and then trying to do the updates? |
| 19:58.46 | siOuX_ | no i trying install new system |
| 19:59.12 | siOuX_ | or no this what are you ask? |
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| 20:00.20 | siOuX_ | or u aren´t asking about this? |
| 20:01.08 | kkirk | from all the ipsec tools availibe which one should i use? openswan? |
| 20:02.00 | abrotman | siOuX_: i am .. you can do the netinst without using the network |
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| 20:05.56 | Muisje | abrotman are you interested in a pastebin with all my infections? :p |
| 20:06.06 | abrotman | Muisje: i'm sure they are numerous |
| 20:06.28 | Muisje | i take that as a no :) |
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| 20:13.48 | steve_j | hi folks |
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| 20:14.09 | steve_j | just getting a VM set up running lenny and have installed Firefox 3.6 and want to get flash player running in there |
| 20:14.52 | siOuX_ | abrotman what do you think^? |
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| 20:17.56 | \3TATUK | Does anyone have a Linux/kFreeBSD dual boot setup? |
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| 20:26.45 | siOuX_ | abrotman what do you think^? |
| 20:27.33 | simonrvn | siOuX_: a) quit repeating like that b) are you one? |
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| 20:29.38 | steve_j | hi folks. am just trying to get Flash 10 installed for Firefox on Lenny. apt-get seems to say that adobe-flashplayer isn't available for me |
| 20:29.50 | steve_j | anyone encountered that themselves? |
| 20:29.54 | abrotman | siOuX_: sorry, was working on stuff here |
| 20:30.06 | abrotman | steve_j: that .deb from adobe.com is NOT meant for Debian |
| 20:30.15 | abrotman | steve_j: it doesn't work correctly, and usually hoses apt |
| 20:30.17 | simonrvn | doubts he is |
| 20:30.31 | abrotman | siOuX_: i think you should just install,and then work out the network stuffl ater |
| 20:31.42 | steve_j | abrotman indeed! am tryin gto get the targ.gz to work instead |
| 20:31.57 | Muisje | damn it, it won't let me make software raid partitions >.< |
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| 20:34.00 | DrJ | my netinstall of debian has seemed to hang at file 797 of 797 |
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| 20:34.06 | DrJ | it has been there for at least 30 minutes |
| 20:34.17 | DrJ | is this just a big download or has something went wrong? |
| 20:34.42 | themill | steve_j: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 20:34.50 | abrotman | steve_j: /msg dpkg bpo .. that's really the best way to do it |
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| 20:36.36 | simonrvn | yay, more dns pollution |
| 20:36.45 | funky | which one is better or newer? dchroot or schroot ? |
| 20:36.57 | simonrvn | !better |
| 20:36.57 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 20:37.12 | funky | which one do you recommend? |
| 20:37.17 | funky | !recommend |
| 20:37.55 | funky | simonrvn: I can surely say for example that grub is better than lilo |
| 20:37.56 | funky | etc |
| 20:38.18 | funky | in a regular scenario |
| 20:38.26 | \3TATUK | I'd generally agree. |
| 20:38.29 | simonrvn | still a judgement call |
| 20:38.48 | simonrvn | still subjective |
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| 20:39.16 | \3TATUK | I don't disagree. |
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| 20:39.31 | funky | I do |
| 20:40.14 | simonrvn | anyway.... what do you have in mind? read their descriptions, and decide for yourself after trying them. |
| 20:40.47 | \3TATUK | Weird |
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| 20:41.04 | \3TATUK | Clicking on 'Debian Changelog' at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dchroot brings you to the *schroot* changelog |
| 20:41.09 | funky | seems like both are exactly the same, just a different name, maybe one of them is the replacement, the -ng, the ongoing fork etc |
| 20:41.25 | \3TATUK | Same with copyright, patch tracker and PTS |
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| 20:41.51 | themill | schroot: Binary: schroot-common, libsbuild-dev, schroot-dbg, libsbuild-doc, schroot, dchroot, dchroot-dsa |
| 20:42.33 | funky | ? |
| 20:42.35 | funky | what's that |
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| 20:44.20 | funky | aha, schroot depends on dchroot |
| 20:44.29 | funky | the oposite |
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| 20:47.44 | funky | dchroot seems NOTE: the schroot package provides a better implementation of dchroot. In particular: |
| 20:47.48 | funky | wait |
| 20:47.49 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.56 | funky | simonrvn: ^ better |
| 20:47.58 | funky | :D |
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| 20:48.28 | simonrvn | so use it then |
| 20:49.03 | steve_j | thanks guys |
| 20:49.34 | funky | _better_ |
| 20:49.59 | nsadmin | funky: "in particular..." |
| 20:51.54 | nsadmin | (so the description uses "better" and then defines what is meant by better afterwards) |
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| 20:53.03 | simonrvn | which is exactly my point, and ty for underlining it nsadmin |
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| 20:54.22 | FredWP | Hi guys. |
| 20:54.25 | FredWP | Got a quick question. |
| 20:54.42 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 20:54.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 20:54.44 | FredWP | Which software would be best to use from the repositories for an extremely simple web server (1 page, 2 images, sort of landing page)? |
| 20:54.51 | siOuX_ | abrotman On the netinstall, how can i install, skiping choose repos..? |
| 20:55.05 | abrotman | siOuX_: the easiest way is to unplug your network cable |
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| 20:55.15 | AimHere | You can write a simple web server in about 20 lines of perl |
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| 20:55.25 | FredWP | I want one from the repos. |
| 20:55.40 | Jason_ | does anyone have experience with XEN? |
| 20:55.55 | karlpinc | FredWP: thttpd is good for that sort of stuff. (or use netcat (nc) |
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| 20:56.18 | FredWP | I will check that out, thanks for the recommendation. |
| 20:56.28 | Jason_ | well...its an issue in XEN...but it may be more debian related |
| 20:56.33 | FredWP | "thttpd is a simple, small, portable, fast, and secure HTTP server. " |
| 20:56.36 | FredWP | Ha, awesome! |
| 20:56.36 | siOuX_ | the instalation continue when i unplug my network cable? |
| 20:56.38 | FredWP | Thanks karlpinc. :) |
| 20:57.04 | Jason_ | i cant get a file system to mount |
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| 20:57.11 | Muisje | abrotman, do you perhaps have a good tutorial / howto that you would recommend me concerning iptables? my main intention is to only allow few ports that need to be open for remote management |
| 20:57.24 | nsadmin | I used xen a long time ago, and I'm actually at the point now to start a domU that has been dormant for years |
| 20:57.40 | Jason_ | mine starts...but its all messed up |
| 20:57.40 | karlpinc | Muisje: You might consider using shorewall as a layer over iptables. |
| 20:57.49 | Jason_ | no network access |
| 20:57.56 | Jason_ | can mount file systems |
| 20:57.58 | Jason_ | its read only |
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| 20:58.05 | Muisje | karlpinc, does that come with an idiotproof howto? :p |
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| 20:58.40 | karlpinc | Muisje: It's problem is it comes with about 40 or so idiotproof howtos, one for each feature. |
| 20:58.51 | Muisje | :) |
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| 21:00.03 | Jason_ | anyone? |
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| 21:00.22 | karlpinc | Muisje: See www.shorewall.net. |
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| 21:01.20 | abrotman | Muisje: isn't that everyone's intention? :) |
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| 21:03.06 | OldParr | how do i mount a ntfs partition into the debian gnu/linux filesystem with read and write permissions? |
| 21:03.31 | rahsputin | hi, i have a jailbroken iphone 3G and would like to mount it. i installed ifuse and libiphone-dev... what is the /dev/ name for the iphone ? |
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| 21:04.12 | OldParr | jelly: ? |
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| 21:04.40 | kc8pxy | this is a weird question. this might not be the right place for it, but i don't know where else to ask really. |
| 21:04.44 | kc8pxy | i am planning on using a fat client network boot and a linux-based antivirus to clean customer hard-drives. my dilemna, i keep too clean a shop, and have no virus-filled drives/partitions to test-drive effectiveness.. how do i go about getting a "dirty" drive to test for dry-run? |
| 21:04.51 | jelly-home | OldParr: ? |
| 21:05.07 | OldParr | jelly-home: how do i mount a ntfs partition into the debian gnu/linux filesystem with read and write permissions? |
| 21:05.36 | jelly-home | Ah. Ask the channel please. |
| 21:06.09 | LuserN800 | OldParr, http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS ? |
| 21:06.20 | Muisje | abrotman i admit that i'm lazy atm, its 10 oclock in the evening here |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | Muisje: okay .. and? |
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| 21:06.55 | Jason_ | my system says: (none): |
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| 21:07.00 | Muisje | and apparently i did not disable desktop system just now >.< *hits himself* |
| 21:07.41 | kc8pxy | Muisje: self-mutilation is painful. |
| 21:07.48 | svk____ | Hey, I'm having a problem with my keymap (in console-by-ssh, I can only reach this machine by ssh).. I can type my language's international keys, but they "delay" until I hit another key, like dead keys |
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| 21:08.38 | svk____ | That language would be Norwegian; the setup I'm trying to get working is en_US locale, UTF8, and a keymap that allows me to type Norwegian characters |
| 21:09.21 | svk____ | (Meaning, I don't want anything except the keyboard input to be set to Norwegian) |
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| 21:10.02 | svk____ | Anyone have any ideas on the dead-ish keys thing? |
| 21:11.43 | Jason_ | anyone? |
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| 21:14.51 | OldParr | i did "mount /dev/hda1 /home/user/win" and root was not able to write to disk .... why? |
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| 21:15.27 | Muisje | OldParr mounted readonly? |
| 21:15.48 | OldParr | Muisje: yes |
| 21:15.54 | petemc | Jason_: are you using a paid for vps or running xen yourself? |
| 21:16.17 | petemc | !ops Tijuanense spam |
| 21:16.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: petemc complains about: Tijuanense spam |
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| 21:16.54 | Jason_ | xen myself |
| 21:17.01 | Jason_ | i dont know what happened |
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| 21:17.10 | Jason_ | i was using it as a webserver |
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| 21:17.21 | Jason_ | nex thing i know...the server is down |
| 21:17.36 | Jason_ | no network access |
| 21:17.38 | Muisje | OldParr i think it was mount +rw ... ... but check the man first, i'm not 100% sure |
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| 21:17.54 | petemc | Jason_: so you have access to the dom0 ? |
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| 21:17.54 | Xach | Is there a command to install a .deb file and all its dependencies? (I used dpkg -i file.deb followed by apt-get install -f, and it seemed weird to temporarily break things and then fix them.) |
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| 21:17.59 | Jason_ | yes |
| 21:18.00 | steve_j | lo again |
| 21:18.01 | Jason_ | but |
| 21:18.07 | Jason_ | it says (none): |
| 21:18.15 | steve_j | anyone here got lenny playing sound via VMware> |
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| 21:18.17 | petemc | Jason_: what command are you using to start the domU ? |
| 21:18.25 | jelly-home | Xach: put it in a (local) repo and install it with apt/aptitude |
| 21:18.37 | Jason_ | xm create + domain |
| 21:18.52 | Jason_ | .cfg |
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| 21:18.55 | petemc | Jason_: xm create -c domain.cfg |
| 21:18.58 | Xach | jelly-home: Thanks. |
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| 21:19.42 | adb | !tell OldParr -about ntfs-3g |
| 21:19.46 | Jason_ | yeah...it boots...then says (none) login: |
| 21:19.57 | petemc | Jason_: so, you log in? |
| 21:19.59 | Jason_ | how do I private message on here? lol |
| 21:20.03 | petemc | dont bother |
| 21:20.08 | Jason_ | k |
| 21:20.20 | Jason_ | i use the username and password |
| 21:20.26 | Jason_ | i logs in |
| 21:20.28 | Jason_ | it* |
| 21:20.33 | petemc | you need to be a bit more concise |
| 21:21.24 | Jason_ | okay...what information do you need? |
| 21:21.43 | petemc | whats not working? |
| 21:22.10 | Jason_ | i think the whole image is messed up |
| 21:22.25 | petemc | anything more specific? |
| 21:22.27 | Jason_ | it wont execute /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 21:22.35 | Jason_ | or /etc/init.d/rc |
| 21:22.45 | Jason_ | upon boot up |
| 21:22.52 | petemc | how did you establish that? |
| 21:23.06 | Jason_ | on-screen text |
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| 21:24.18 | Jason_ | my primary issue is that i would like to do a mysql dump |
| 21:24.38 | Jason_ | and save the website files and mysql dump to a usb drive |
| 21:24.46 | petemc | and what prevents you from doing those things? |
| 21:24.59 | Jason_ | it wont let me mount a filesystem |
| 21:25.07 | Jason_ | and i dont have network access |
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| 21:25.23 | lenswipe | can someone help me with debian |
| 21:25.31 | Jason_ | when i do mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb |
| 21:25.31 | lenswipe | i cant ssh into my debian box from other machines |
| 21:25.35 | xteejx | Hey guys, I'm using Ubuntu, but want to get a package into Debian, but I want to package it myself. I have got up to the "Chapter 3 - Modifying the source" section of the Debian New Maintainers' Guide, but I am stuck, can anyone help me please? |
| 21:25.41 | lenswipe | i just get connection refused |
| 21:25.46 | Jason_ | it says please specify file system |
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| 21:26.43 | Jason_ | so i do mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb |
| 21:26.53 | petemc | Jason_: how are you making the usb key available to the domU? |
| 21:27.04 | petemc | lenswipe: is ssh running? |
| 21:27.24 | lenswipe | petemc: yes, i can ssh into it from itself |
| 21:27.29 | lenswipe | ie ssh localhost |
| 21:27.30 | Jason_ | i added it to the .cfg |
| 21:27.34 | lenswipe | or ssh 192.168.1.17 |
| 21:27.46 | lenswipe | that works, but what doesnt work is when i ssh in from another machine |
| 21:27.51 | Jason_ | but i dont know if it worked.... |
| 21:27.54 | petemc | lenswipe: netstat -plunt | grep 22 , whats the output? |
| 21:28.06 | zorrolero | lenswipe: whats the ip of the other machine? |
| 21:28.08 | Jason_ | mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist |
| 21:28.17 | lenswipe | zorrolero: the IP? |
| 21:28.21 | lenswipe | um... lemme check |
| 21:28.37 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:29.11 | zorrolero | lenswipe: can you ping it? |
| 21:29.16 | silidan | any idea if/when debian sid will update libusb? |
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| 21:29.19 | lenswipe | zorrolero: yup |
| 21:29.28 | lenswipe | and it can ping other machines too |
| 21:29.53 | xteejx | Can anyone help me to package pleasE? |
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| 21:30.01 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 21:30.02 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:30.10 | jelly-home | xteejx: try there ^^ |
| 21:30.11 | Jason_ | i added usb =1 and usbdevice = [ 'host:0781:b7b1' ] to the config file |
| 21:30.18 | zorrolero | lenswipe: then do what petemc told you |
| 21:30.32 | iskra | hey all, i've tried like hell to get my ar2425 atheros card to work on debian lenny with madwifi to no avail. i'm using kernel 2.6.26 and have heard there are issues |
| 21:30.38 | lenswipe | zorrolero: what did petemc tell me? |
| 21:30.42 | xteejx | jelly-home: Will do, thank you :) |
| 21:30.44 | kcj1993 | If I delete all my config folders in /home will i get all my programs back to their default settings? |
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| 21:31.12 | iskra | couldnt get it going on 2.6.30 bpo either... anyone know of a stable kernel for this card? |
| 21:31.12 | zorrolero | lenswipe: netstat -plunt | grep 22 , whats the output? |
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| 21:31.25 | lenswipe | zorrolero: sorry, never even saw that |
| 21:31.31 | LuserN800 | iskra, maybe try a much newer kernel from backports |
| 21:31.50 | petemc | lenswipe: dont paste here, look for sshd in the output |
| 21:32.03 | lenswipe | i am, it has 0.0.0.0:22 next to it |
| 21:32.04 | iskra | kcjl993: "apt-get --purge remove package" should remove configs |
| 21:32.12 | lenswipe | presumably that means that its listening on all IPs on port 22 |
| 21:32.17 | petemc | yes |
| 21:32.26 | iskra | lusern800: is 2.6.30 not new enough? any suggestions on which kernel |
| 21:32.49 | LuserN800 | iskra, ah I did not see |
| 21:32.52 | lenswipe | also bear in mind that the debian box is another machine entirely with no GUI so i cant pastebin the ouput of commands |
| 21:33.00 | lenswipe | i can only copy with my hands and eyes whats on the screen |
| 21:33.04 | lenswipe | :) |
| 21:33.05 | LuserN800 | iskra, 2.6.30, it's it ath5k? |
| 21:33.19 | LuserN800 | iskra, do not put madwifi on top! |
| 21:33.22 | petemc | lenswipe: did you configure any sort of firewall on the debian machine? |
| 21:33.28 | iskra | lusern800: no, i black listed and isntalled madwifi (so ath_pci) |
| 21:33.28 | phogg | lenswipe: you can always netcat |
| 21:34.01 | lenswipe | petemc: nope no firewall configured, ive checked iptables but there are no iptables rules |
| 21:34.12 | iskra | lusern800: so ath5k works in 2.6.30? i've heard really bad things about it |
| 21:34.12 | LuserN800 | iskra, why? the wiki says it deprecated and you should not do this.. I just started the kernel and it worked. unless it's a weird card.. |
| 21:34.36 | Jason_ | petemc...still with me? |
| 21:34.38 | petemc | lenswipe: are the machines connected via a switch or.. ? |
| 21:34.42 | svk____ | Anyone for my keymap problem? Norwegian special characters don't show up until I press another key.. |
| 21:34.48 | lenswipe | petemc: yeah, 100Megabit switch |
| 21:34.56 | zorrolero | lenswipe: stop the ssh-server and start it manually in debugmode (-d) |
| 21:34.59 | iskra | lusern800: wait... so madwifi is deprecated on 2.6.30 (ath_pci) and i should be using ath5k? |
| 21:35.13 | lenswipe | zorrolero: ok so just /etc/init.d/sshd stop |
| 21:35.19 | kcj1993 | iskra, "apt-get --purge remove package" i don't want to remove the programs, I just want everything back to it's default settings |
| 21:35.23 | lenswipe | zorrolero: then just /etc/init.d/sshd start -d ? |
| 21:35.23 | zorrolero | yep |
| 21:35.35 | petemc | Jason_: no, i dont know anything about usb passthrough with xen, and it was far too much effort to find out that was what your problem is |
| 21:35.37 | lenswipe | where does it debug to? |
| 21:35.45 | lenswipe | the screen? or to a log somewhere |
| 21:35.45 | zorrolero | lenswipe: just "sshd -d" |
| 21:35.58 | Jason_ | if i could get networking to would it would also be a solution for me |
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| 21:36.11 | lenswipe | zorrolero: its says no such file or directory when i try to stop it |
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| 21:36.28 | LuserN800 | iskra, ath5k is a relatively new and emerging driver and does not depend on the HAL. It is intended to replace MadWifi in the long run and exceed it feature-wise. ath5k is where most of our development resources are spent on now. first page lol http://madwifi-project.org/wiki |
| 21:36.46 | Jason_ | do you know why it says (none):~#: ?? |
| 21:36.50 | zorrolero | lenswipe: /etc/init.d/ssh stop |
| 21:36.58 | lenswipe | zorrolero: thats what i typed in |
| 21:37.04 | iskra | lusern800: i've read that... but every site i've read for ar242x cards says ath5k drops out gorribly and isnt reliable |
| 21:37.12 | lenswipe | nvm |
| 21:37.14 | lenswipe | i had sshd |
| 21:37.16 | iskra | lusern800: and stick to madwifi till ath5k is better |
| 21:37.17 | LuserN800 | iskra, that was before 2.6.28 I think |
| 21:37.28 | LuserN800 | or 2.6.29 |
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| 21:37.32 | iskra | lusern800: ok ok cool... i'll stop arguing and try it ou =) |
| 21:37.46 | lenswipe | zorrolero: sshd re-exec reqyures execution with an absolute path |
| 21:37.49 | iskra | lusern800: thx |
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| 21:38.05 | bododo | hi folks :) |
| 21:38.10 | lenswipe | bododo: bye |
| 21:38.25 | bododo | bye lenswipe, have a good night :) |
| 21:38.31 | lenswipe | yeah you too mate |
| 21:38.38 | bododo | thanks! |
| 21:38.56 | lenswipe | :) |
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| 21:41.24 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:41.25 | lenswipe | im back |
| 21:41.36 | lenswipe | zorrolero: so yeah, it wont lemme start sshd in debug mode |
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| 21:42.58 | zorrolero | lenswipe: read the output |
| 21:43.11 | lenswipe | i did |
| 21:43.23 | zorrolero | no.) |
| 21:43.25 | lenswipe | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
| 21:43.34 | lenswipe | no idea what that means |
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| 21:44.10 | zorrolero | lenswipe: /usr/sbin/sshd -d |
| 21:44.16 | lenswipe | ok |
| 21:44.33 | lenswipe | ok |
| 21:44.59 | zorrolero | and now connect to it |
| 21:45.24 | lenswipe | :/ |
| 21:45.32 | lenswipe | on my client it says host key verification failed |
| 21:45.38 | lenswipe | oh wait i know whuy |
| 21:45.50 | lenswipe | whats the command to setup a static IP on debian? |
| 21:46.21 | SerajewelKS | lenswipe: man interfaces |
| 21:46.41 | lenswipe | would ipconfig eth0 192.168.1.17 netmask 255.255.255.0 do it? |
| 21:47.07 | lenswipe | ifconfig* |
| 21:47.07 | SerajewelKS | lenswipe: unless dhclient is running, and only until you reboot |
| 21:47.08 | lenswipe | my bad |
| 21:47.10 | lenswipe | ok |
| 21:47.12 | SerajewelKS | lenswipe: man interfaces |
| 21:47.41 | zorrolero | lenswipe: you're on debian, not on windows, so ifconfig. |
| 21:47.51 | lenswipe | i know, sorry my bad |
| 21:47.55 | lenswipe | wow |
| 21:47.58 | lenswipe | ssh is now working |
| 21:48.02 | lenswipe | doesnt believe it |
| 21:48.05 | lenswipe | =O |
| 21:48.07 | lenswipe | thanks :D |
| 21:48.17 | zorrolero | lenswipe: wonderful |
| 21:48.23 | lenswipe | zorrolero: ill say |
| 21:48.23 | lenswipe | :D |
| 21:48.33 | lenswipe | btw just so you know... |
| 21:48.35 | nsadmin | yeah, man 5 interfaces is a good read |
| 21:48.38 | lenswipe | "man interfaces" returns nothing |
| 21:48.41 | lenswipe | it just pauses |
| 21:48.46 | lenswipe | nvm it worked now |
| 21:48.47 | lenswipe | just a stick |
| 21:48.54 | karlpinc | lenswipe: It's gotta format the page. |
| 21:48.58 | abrotman | lenswipe: your enter key is broken again |
| 21:49.27 | nsadmin | actually it's the opposite... all your other keys are broken...your enter key works too well |
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| 21:51.21 | kcj1993 | If I delete all my config folders in /home will i get all my programs back to their default settings? |
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| 21:52.12 | Letterbomb05 | Hi I've just started using debian server 5.0, I can't seem to use apt-get install; I've tried both apt-get install nano and apt-get install php5-cli and both return "Couldn't find package" when I'm pretty sure both exist. Can anyone help? |
| 21:52.17 | visof | hi |
| 21:52.29 | svk____ | So it turns out my problem is with UTF-8; if I go back to ISO-8859-1 (and keymap no-latin1) everything works |
| 21:52.29 | visof | i can't install apache2 : i got : |
| 21:52.32 | visof | apache2: |
| 21:52.32 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.33 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.36 | simonrvn | kcj1993: some apps have buttons to reset their confs, but generally yes. be carefull what you remove though... i'd go through it one by one. |
| 21:52.37 | visof | what should i do ? |
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| 21:52.46 | simonrvn | kcj1993: and thank you for asking here |
| 21:52.50 | cheako | Hello, is there a way to "clean out" a disk image for compression? I'd like to wipe unused ext blocks and swap space. |
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| 21:52.56 | svk____ | If I change to UTF-8 I get my dead keys problem.. anyone who can assist in switching cleanly to UTF-8? |
| 21:53.14 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05 you should probably use aptitude rather than apt-get... but that doesn't speak to your problem |
| 21:53.26 | nsadmin | nano is in the base, you should already have that |
| 21:53.58 | kcj1993 | simonrvn, thank you I already asked here thats why I asked in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:54.02 | SerajewelKS | visof: how did you attempt to install apache2? |
| 21:54.10 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin: well the nano command doesn't work, and regardless I still cant install anything >_> |
| 21:54.11 | simonrvn | hadn't seen it |
| 21:54.22 | visof | from synaptic |
| 21:54.27 | visof | select it |
| 21:54.32 | visof | and apply |
| 21:54.32 | brasto | on this page: http://wiki.debian.org/SambaDcWithLdapBackend . I'm on 'Testing the coniguration' (yes, they spelled it that way). 'Log back into phpldapadmin and verify that the DomainName record exists below the root'. I click the plus by phpldapadmin, and there's no 'DomainName' anywhere. I'm also not sure where I 'create the following Samba3 Mappings under the groups OU:[[BR]] ' |
| 21:54.37 | SerajewelKS | visof: try running 'aptitude install' from the console |
| 21:55.01 | simonrvn | brasto: dn is domainName |
| 21:55.01 | SerajewelKS | visof: also, aptitude is superior to synaptic (assuming you can navigate a CLUI) |
| 21:55.16 | simonrvn | brasto: it's also distinguishedName |
| 21:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: It's better to move the config files than just to delete them. If you delete, you suddenly discover that you've lost your only copy of the address for the mailserver. Or something. |
| 21:55.56 | simonrvn | brasto: oh no, my bad, it's called something else, distinguishedName is dn |
| 21:55.57 | visof | SerajewelKS The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:55.58 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.01 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin: I'm not sure if this is any help, but I get -bash: command not found when I try to use 'aptitude install' |
| 21:56.02 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05 ok, you're here so you have some sort of net connection... you're here from the machine you want to install onto? |
| 21:56.08 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 21:56.11 | brasto | under root I have cn=admin and 3 ou= entries |
| 21:56.15 | visof | Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] |
| 21:56.20 | nsadmin | oh, what user are you doing that as? |
| 21:56.33 | brasto | and that's all that's under root |
| 21:56.33 | kcj1993 | how do I set nautilus as the default file manager? |
| 21:56.34 | SerajewelKS | !tell visof about pastebin |
| 21:56.41 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin: I'm remotely connecting to my server via ssh |
| 21:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Remember the rules of intelligent tinkering. Change one thing at a time, keep notes, save all the parts. |
| 21:56.54 | nsadmin | as what user on the remote? |
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| 21:57.28 | kcj1993 | jhutchins_lt: but I don't know where to tinker |
| 21:57.34 | bododo | hum... anyone using urxvt in sid? It seems broken to me. It doesn't accept keyboard input. Am I the only one? :) |
| 21:57.37 | visof | SerajewelKS http://pastie.org/794230 |
| 21:57.43 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin: root |
| 21:57.51 | nsadmin | btw if it's a remote you'll want to tread carefully... you may wish to back up for esample |
| 21:57.54 | simonrvn | brasto: i'd refer you to samba's docs, and the openldap docs |
| 21:58.22 | SerajewelKS | visof: yes, aptitude refused to install apache2 since it would break some dependencies to do so |
| 21:58.32 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05 so from the local you do ssh root@the.remote? |
| 21:58.56 | visof | SerajewelKS what should i do ? |
| 21:59.11 | abrotman | kcj1993: which application are you trying to reset ? |
| 21:59.18 | SerajewelKS | visof: try: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 21:59.26 | SerajewelKS | visof: then 'aptitude install apache2' and see if it works |
| 21:59.30 | brasto | problem with samba docs simonrvn is that there are things slightly different in Debian's instance of Samba that make me more inclined to look at Debian docs than Samba docs. That's why I'm on the Debian wiki looking for help. |
| 21:59.34 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin: I'm connecting from my home PC to my server through ssh, I then logged in as root. |
| 21:59.35 | kcj1993 | abrotman, all of them |
| 21:59.38 | brasto | it worked so far up to where I'm at. |
| 21:59.39 | SerajewelKS | visof: it looks like something on your system has not been updated for a while |
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| 22:00.04 | Letterbomb05 | so yes nsadmin, root@server |
| 22:00.21 | abrotman | kcj1993: no, really .. which one? |
| 22:00.29 | iskra | lusern800: so i installed 2.6.30 bpo and blacklisted all madwifi and loaded ath5k... still no dice. ifconfig sees it, wicd does not |
| 22:00.30 | abrotman | kcj1993: and i mean .. pick *one* |
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| 22:00.48 | abrotman | iskra: is network-manager installed/running ? |
| 22:00.53 | LuserN800 | iskra, iwconfig sees it? |
| 22:00.54 | SerajewelKS | brasto: yeah that's why i use samba only for simple file-sharing with windows boxen. everything else is a hack at best. :( |
| 22:01.05 | kcj1993 | abrotman, but I want everything back to default settings |
| 22:01.08 | iskra | network-manager goes auto removed when i installed wicd |
| 22:01.14 | visof | SerajewelKS http://pastie.org/794239 |
| 22:01.16 | iskra | iwconfig sees it as wlan0 |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | kcj1993: and you don't have any files you want to save at all ? |
| 22:01.27 | iskra | i have wicd set to watch wlan0 wireless interface |
| 22:01.27 | visof | SerajewelKS my sources.list |
| 22:01.35 | SerajewelKS | visof: yes... and? |
| 22:01.45 | kcj1993 | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 22:01.47 | brasto | yea, I would too, but they are paying me to set up a pdc here, so that's what I have to do SerajewelKS |
| 22:02.04 | abrotman | kcj1993: do you have any files in your user's home directory that you want to save .. any data at all ? |
| 22:02.09 | visof | SerajewelKS is there anything i lost |
| 22:02.18 | SerajewelKS | visof: no. did you run the commands i told you to? |
| 22:02.31 | SerajewelKS | visof: wait, yes |
| 22:02.39 | SerajewelKS | visof: you have no security updates |
| 22:02.48 | iskra | lusern800: yea it sees it, i have eth0 and wlan0 entries commented out in /etc/network/interfaces like wicd setup says... |
| 22:02.54 | SerajewelKS | visof: add this line: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:03.02 | SerajewelKS | visof: then 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade' again |
| 22:03.06 | visof | i uncomment them |
| 22:03.07 | visof | and i'll try again |
| 22:03.10 | kcj1993 | abrotman, well all my data lives there, so yes. I only want to move the .<program name> folders from /home |
| 22:03.17 | LuserN800 | iskra, hum I use neither wicd nor network-manager, not sure I can help there |
| 22:03.24 | SerajewelKS | visof: you *commented out* security updates? i hope this is not an exposed server... |
| 22:03.44 | iskra | lusern800: if iwconfig sees it, should it all be a go |
| 22:03.46 | prince_jammys | kcj1993: why don't you just do this per-application? just reset the the ones that aren't behaving how you like. |
| 22:04.17 | LuserN800 | iskra, what says iwlist wlan0 s |
| 22:04.25 | iskra | iwlist wlan0 s |
| 22:04.27 | iskra | lol |
| 22:04.34 | LuserN800 | iskra, no, it does not mean it works |
| 22:04.36 | iskra | this isn't a terminal.... |
| 22:04.48 | SerajewelKS | brasto: yeah i had to integrate samba with an AD server so i could have some samba shares owned by an AD group. boy was that an exercise in pair. |
| 22:04.51 | SerajewelKS | pain* |
| 22:05.07 | iskra | lusern8000: no scan results |
| 22:05.16 | nsadmin | exercise in pair... SICP? |
| 22:05.54 | kcj1993 | prince_jammys, I have just moved from ubuntu to debian and I have home in a separate part of my disk. |
| 22:06.04 | kcj1993 | princ |
| 22:06.05 | prince_jammys | that's ok. |
| 22:06.11 | iskra | lusern800: this is what my dmesg says at the bottom when i modprobe ath5k - "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
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| 22:06.25 | kcj1993 | prince_jammys, so all my config files came too |
| 22:06.39 | LuserN800 | iskra, on the wiki it says how to identify the card precisly iirc |
| 22:07.04 | abrotman | kcj1993: so try that |
| 22:07.09 | SerajewelKS | iskra: "link is not ready" means "not connected to a network" |
| 22:07.17 | iskra | lusern800: what wiki? |
| 22:07.18 | SerajewelKS | iskra: your eth0 will say that too if you unplug the cable |
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| 22:07.28 | iskra | serjawelks: k, sounded insignifcant, but im lost =) |
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| 22:08.04 | SerajewelKS | iskra: what kernel are you on? |
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| 22:08.40 | SerajewelKS | iskra: (hint: uname -a) |
| 22:08.42 | LuserN800 | SerajewelKS, 2.6.30 so it should be fine |
| 22:08.45 | iskra | 2.6.30 bpo |
| 22:08.59 | SerajewelKS | ah, yeah. was gonna say, .29 is the first that worked ok with my ath card |
| 22:09.04 | simonrvn | kcj1993: the installer doesn't touch /home at all, esp. if it's on a separate partition. |
| 22:09.31 | simonrvn | if it isn't well if you "re-format" it gets wiped. |
| 22:10.04 | kcj1993 | simonrvn, I know |
| 22:10.42 | bododo | what terminal emulator do you guys use? I used to use urxvt but it's broken in Sid, is there anything similar? |
| 22:10.55 | jelly-hme | broken? |
| 22:11.01 | bododo | mrxvt looks ugly for me, I don't want tabs, I use screen |
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| 22:11.09 | bododo | jelly-hme: yeah is sid, it is |
| 22:11.27 | bododo | even when I grab the sources and build it it's broken |
| 22:11.40 | iskra | well i guess i'll try network manager... even though i would much rather take wicd |
| 22:11.43 | bododo | s/yeah is sid/yeah in sid |
| 22:11.52 | jelly-hme | bododo: mine's at 9.06-1 and working |
| 22:12.21 | jelly-hme | mrxvt isn't UTF-8 capable |
| 22:12.50 | bododo | jelly-hme: 9?07 here |
| 22:13.02 | jelly-hme | !snapshots |
| 22:13.03 | dpkg | http://stabile.debian.org:5001/ (soon to be http://snapshots.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
| 22:13.06 | bododo | jelly-hme: yep add to that the utf-8 support |
| 22:13.34 | bododo | so should I donwload your version and build it? |
| 22:13.42 | jelly-hme | why build? |
| 22:13.47 | bododo | can I just download the package? |
| 22:13.54 | jelly-hme | yes |
| 22:14.24 | bododo | in that url? snapshots? |
| 22:15.22 | bododo | oups sorry |
| 22:15.23 | jelly-hme | the first link works |
| 22:15.36 | bododo | I should have read it slowly :) |
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| 22:17.07 | bododo | it's not there jelly-hme :( |
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| 22:17.32 | kcj1993 | yep that got everything back to default |
| 22:17.37 | bododo | official: I'm an idiot, it's rxvt-unicode not urxvt right? |
| 22:17.43 | Armageddon | I was trying to do a distro-upgrade and something went wrong somewhere, now gdm is not loading on startup and I'm forced to use the shell, if I continue apt-get -f distro-upgrade will it fix the problem ? |
| 22:18.13 | prince_jammys | bododo: aye. |
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| 22:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Theoretically. |
| 22:18.52 | abrotman | Armageddon: depends on the issue |
| 22:18.57 | simonrvn | s,distro,dist, |
| 22:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: 'course, we don't know why gdm isn't loading. Can you start X manually? |
| 22:19.15 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt: it doesn't start |
| 22:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Is gdm logging any errors? Is X? |
| 22:19.30 | simonrvn | that's *really* helpful. NOT. |
| 22:19.32 | kcj1993 | how do I set nautilus as the default file manager? |
| 22:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: What does it say if you start x manually? |
| 22:19.53 | Armageddon | how can I copy through shell ? |
| 22:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Run gnome? I don't know, I use kde or anything but gnome. |
| 22:20.19 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Copy what? |
| 22:20.27 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt: the error the shell is giving me |
| 22:20.52 | kcj1993 | jhutchins_lt, I am running gnome |
| 22:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | Generally in a shell you highlight the text, then right-click where you want it pasted. |
| 22:20.57 | abrotman | Armageddon: you could, type it out .. |
| 22:21.02 | simonrvn | middle click |
| 22:21.04 | abrotman | or use pastebinit |
| 22:21.12 | Armageddon | when I'm using a terminal |
| 22:21.16 | Armageddon | I'm using the SHELL |
| 22:21.19 | Armageddon | no mouse in it |
| 22:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Yeah, we understand. |
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| 22:21.24 | simonrvn | !gpm |
| 22:21.25 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks. |
| 22:21.28 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Mice work in shells. |
| 22:21.46 | Armageddon | no they don't :/ |
| 22:21.53 | jhutchins_lt | However, you can redirect it to a file, then use pastebinit to post the file. |
| 22:22.07 | simonrvn | Armageddon: yes they do ^^^^ |
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| 22:22.15 | Armageddon | simonrvn: how do they work ? |
| 22:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Maybe you have more than one problem then. No mouse might even by why X won't start. |
| 22:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: You don't want to paste more than one or two lines here anyway. Read it and tell us what is says; summarize. |
| 22:22.52 | Armageddon | actually I've used Ubuntu before and now debian and on both I had no mouse in the shell |
| 22:23.01 | Armageddon | unless there is a package or something to type |
| 22:23.11 | SerajewelKS | Armageddon: simonrvn had dpkg tell you |
| 22:23.13 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: See above about gdm. |
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| 22:23.26 | Armageddon | gdm is not loading |
| 22:23.35 | SerajewelKS | gdm != gpm |
| 22:23.35 | simonrvn | because you didn't have gpm installed ;) |
| 22:23.40 | simonrvn | GPM |
| 22:23.45 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: See above about gpm, sorry, typo. |
| 22:23.54 | Armageddon | oh ok |
| 22:24.02 | Armageddon | then its gpm |
| 22:24.13 | Armageddon | I probably can't install gpm right not |
| 22:24.18 | jhutchins_lt | GPM is the mouse daemon. |
| 22:24.22 | Armageddon | package manager says there is a conflict |
| 22:24.32 | Armageddon | s/not/now |
| 22:24.48 | kcj1993 | how do I set nautilus as the default file manager? this seems like a simple question :) |
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| 22:25.05 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Just tell us the gist of what it says. |
| 22:25.19 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Try #gnome |
| 22:25.22 | Armageddon | it says that the directory can not be found |
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| 22:25.35 | Armageddon | /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 22:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: WHAT directory. Don't make us guess stuff, we're just fellow users here. |
| 22:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Does that directory exist? |
| 22:25.58 | SerajewelKS | why would gpm require X? |
| 22:26.19 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Root problem is gdm/X aren't auto-starting. |
| 22:26.20 | Armageddon | nope |
| 22:26.27 | SerajewelKS | aha |
| 22:26.44 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: does /usr/bin/Xorg exist? |
| 22:27.05 | simonrvn | kcj1993: in gnome it already is |
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| 22:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: That's what I thought. |
| 22:27.28 | simonrvn | kcj1993: hint: ~$ gnome-control-center & |
| 22:28.00 | jhutchins_lt | Did armageddon just quit in embarrasment? |
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| 22:28.22 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: connection reset suggests no |
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| 22:28.28 | Armageddon | sorry, got dc |
| 22:28.29 | simonrvn | reset by peer. damn that peer bastard! |
| 22:28.32 | Armageddon | jhutchins: no it does not |
| 22:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: This is why nobody's answering you, your question doesn't make sense. |
| 22:28.59 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: It'd be pretty hard for it to run then, wouldn't it? |
| 22:29.17 | SerajewelKS | perhaps aptitude --reinstall install xserver-xorg |
| 22:29.17 | Armageddon | probably |
| 22:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: maybe a dpkg -f? |
| 22:29.39 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: If he had an interrupted install/upgrade? |
| 22:29.47 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: then i think you mean apt-get -f install |
| 22:29.50 | Armageddon | I can't install most stuff using aptitude right now, It says some package versions mismatch |
| 22:29.54 | Armageddon | that's probably the problem |
| 22:29.59 | kcj1993 | oh I see |
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| 22:30.03 | Armageddon | maybe when I finish the upgrade it will work ? |
| 22:30.11 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Pretty likely. |
| 22:30.20 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: dpkg -f means something else entirely |
| 22:30.30 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: if it were _just_ X not starting, that might be something else, but clearly you're missing packages. |
| 22:30.33 | kcj1993 | why doesn't nautillus look "normal" |
| 22:30.38 | kcj1993 | nautilus* |
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| 22:30.49 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Yeak, I'm still not up to speed on the Debian commands. |
| 22:30.49 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt: we'll see in around 4hours |
| 22:30.54 | Armageddon | 15KB/s connections ! |
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| 22:30.59 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: define normal |
| 22:30.59 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Best of luck then! |
| 22:31.07 | Armageddon | thanks |
| 22:31.37 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: How would we, especially those of us who don't run Gnome, know what you're seeing? Or what you expect? |
| 22:31.47 | prince_jammys | kcj1993: a history of sniffing glue. but it works OK. |
| 22:32.05 | bododo | jelly-hme: same problem with 9.06 :( I guess it's my X or ratpoison then |
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| 22:33.34 | kcj1993 | "normal" http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/images/photo-files/pictures/gnome-file-browser-card.jpg |
| 22:33.39 | LuserN800 | http://twitter.com/VUPEN/status/8078890705 ouch |
| 22:34.10 | LuserN800 | ooops |
| 22:34.33 | simonrvn | ECHAN |
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| 22:35.54 | kcj1993 | mine http://imgur.com/TEgcQ.png |
| 22:36.04 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: i didn't know "normal" nautilus included paintings of naked women. sweet! |
| 22:36.18 | kcj1993 | i would like nautilus to be "normal" |
| 22:36.27 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 22:36.39 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: edit > preferences |
| 22:36.42 | kcj1993 | i just did a google image search |
| 22:36.47 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: find something about "open windows in browser mode" |
| 22:37.12 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: that's what you want -- browser mode. the view you're seeing is the gnome default. what you pasted is the ubuntu default. |
| 22:38.19 | kcj1993 | i can't find "open windows in browser mode" |
| 22:38.35 | kcj1993 | n/m |
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| 22:39.02 | kcj1993 | yay "normal" |
| 22:39.32 | kcj1993 | right |
| 22:39.37 | prince_jammys | this probably would have been pretty "normal" had you not deleted all your dotfiles. |
| 22:39.47 | kcj1993 | next problem |
| 22:40.01 | kcj1993 | I can't standby |
| 22:40.20 | kcj1993 | it just locks the screen |
| 22:40.47 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: usually means that some kernel module is preventing you from going into standby |
| 22:40.55 | kcj1993 | ah |
| 22:41.16 | kcj1993 | so... |
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| 22:41.35 | kcj1993 | I fix it by doing.... |
| 22:41.49 | SerajewelKS | !tell kcj1993 about enter |
| 22:42.01 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 22:42.13 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Does it un-lock? |
| 22:42.15 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: i dunno, it depends on your hardware. dmesg might have some clues... i'm not sure what other log files get touched. |
| 22:42.34 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: he means like enter-your-password lock... like gnome does when you standby/hibernate |
| 22:43.25 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Well, he might mean black-screen-no-response lock if it's a hardware conflict. |
| 22:43.41 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: yeah... it's not :) |
| 22:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Your hardware and the kernel have to agree that suspend-to-disk or -to-ram is possible. |
| 22:44.02 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 22:44.13 | jhutchins_lt | KDE's power daemon will hel diagnose it, Gnome should have something similar. |
| 22:44.18 | jhutchins_lt | s/hel/help/. |
| 22:44.30 | sepult | wtf, how did i get to binutils-i486-linux-gnu ?? |
| 22:44.32 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: and unfortunately, gnome in its current state do not do much to tell you "hey, here's why i can't standby" |
| 22:44.37 | sepult | and now it's gone or what ? |
| 22:44.54 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: it just doesn't and leaves you to dig around in log files |
| 22:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | !tell kcj1993 about suspend troubleshooting |
| 22:45.26 | kcj1993 | I've done some digging and i think I know the problem |
| 22:45.33 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: i struggled with this too. even running "hibernate" from a shell told me that the nvidia module was preventing hibernation. guess what? it wasn't. |
| 22:45.50 | kcj1993 | lol |
| 22:46.04 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: i had repartitioned and forgot to update uswsusp.conf for my new swap partition |
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| 22:46.15 | SerajewelKS | kcj1993: so even when you find the log files, don't implicitly trust them :) |
| 22:46.34 | jhutchins_lt | Well intentioned error messages... |
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| 22:47.24 | SerajewelKS | then there's the great "doesn't re-scan USB" after resuming stuff.. so if it's a laptop and you unplug your USB mouse, either unplug it AFTER standby and BEFORE resuming, or BEFORE standby and AFTER resuming |
| 22:47.36 | SerajewelKS | otherwise you have to plug/unplug it a few times to get linux to notice it |
| 22:47.50 | SerajewelKS | and if you plug it in before resuming, make sure you plug it into the SAME port |
| 22:48.50 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 22:49.29 | simonrvn | hi |
| 22:49.36 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: uswsusp hibernation looks and feels rather fragile |
| 22:50.04 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: tuxonice seemed somewhat better last time I tried |
| 22:50.07 | SerajewelKS | it's annoying that whenever i go back to linux for user computing i like it initially and then i find 200 little things that are separately not blockers but that add up to a sub-par user experience |
| 22:50.26 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: uswsusp seems to work well enough for me if i'm careful about peripherals |
| 22:50.29 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: delayed disappointment! |
| 22:50.36 | simonrvn | lower your standards! |
| 22:50.43 | jelly-hme | use ubuntu! |
| 22:50.54 | simonrvn | ^5s jelly-hme |
| 22:51.02 | SerajewelKS | jelly-hme: i am not dissatisfied enough yet to use ubuntu... |
| 22:51.12 | SerajewelKS | that requires that i border on suicidal. not there just yet. |
| 22:51.44 | simonrvn | see even G_O_D has a problem :P |
| 22:51.48 | SerajewelKS | plus there's the fact that gnome-do-docky and compiz are very promising, so i want to use them, but so fragile... |
| 22:51.48 | jelly-hme | SerajewelKS: I was rater impressed with the netbook remix thingy. 2 out of 3 network capabilities worked out of the box |
| 22:52.09 | jelly-hme | (3 out of 4 if I count wired ethernet) |
| 22:52.12 | SerajewelKS | i'm considering going back to just metacity and gnome-panel :/ |
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| 22:52.30 | simonrvn | i use openbox+xfce+nautilus |
| 22:52.47 | SerajewelKS | i tried xfce once but i found it actually more broken than gnome, at least in the short hour i tried it |
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| 22:54.18 | SerajewelKS | i am happy with gnome usually |
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| 22:54.42 | webPragmatist | anyone care to share a how to getting mounts working between two debian boxes... |
| 22:54.43 | SerajewelKS | it's the bleeding-edge stuff that i convince myself is "essential" that usually winds up screwing me over in terms of time-spent-fixing vs time-spent-using |
| 22:54.52 | webPragmatist | with encryption ⦠NFS i guess? |
| 22:54.55 | xand | no |
| 22:54.59 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: sshfs would probably be easier |
| 22:55.00 | xand | NFS has no encryption |
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| 22:55.11 | webPragmatist | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 22:55.11 | xand | maybe SFS, not sure if it's packaged in debian though |
| 22:55.16 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: and since it uses ssh it's already encrypted |
| 22:55.41 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i guess i need to stop trying the new cool shit and stick with the old reliable shit |
| 22:55.46 | xand | for NFS encryption you'd need ipsec or similar |
| 22:56.07 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: even if you don't need encryption, sshfs is damn easy to set up |
| 22:56.11 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: yes. the old reliable shit is what i've fallen back on. |
| 22:56.33 | simonrvn | xand: it is. i don't know how active it is though. |
| 22:56.39 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: (meaning i use it on my LAN even when i don't need encryption just because i can type one line and have a remote dir mounted.) |
| 22:56.43 | xand | what is the package name? I could not find it |
| 22:56.54 | simonrvn | oh. maybe it got removed? |
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| 22:57.11 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: yeah. gnome is sort of between the two. mostly reliable, and enough cool stuff so i don't have to fall back to the CLI to e.g. get access to an smb share somewhere over there... |
| 22:57.14 | webPragmatist | SerajewelKS: yea I am using it on a "public" lan⦠with dedicated servers from many users⦠any good how to? do you have to use fuse? |
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| 22:57.27 | xand | yeah, I *thought* it was there until I recently looked |
| 22:57.34 | xand | looks nicer than sshfs though |
| 22:57.37 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: sshfs is built on fuse, yes. modern linux kernels come with fuse. at least debian's does. |
| 22:57.46 | xand | which is no good for multiple users |
| 22:57.48 | simonrvn | xand: must've gotten removed. not seeing any of it with apt-cache |
| 22:57.52 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: just install it and "man sshfs". it's a one-liner to mount. |
| 22:58.14 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: if you want mount-on-boot it's a bit more complex since you'll need to do some ssh key stuff to get passwordless connect |
| 22:58.14 | webPragmatist | SerajewelKS: okay and mounting each restart? |
| 22:58.18 | xand | it's in oldstable |
| 22:58.19 | webPragmatist | oh yea okay |
| 22:58.21 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 22:58.24 | webPragmatist | I have done the keys before |
| 22:58.33 | webPragmatist | I currently use rsync |
| 22:58.35 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: IIRC you just need root to have a passwordless key |
| 22:58.41 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: then you can throw it in fstab |
| 22:59.09 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: googling 'fstab sshfs' gives a lot of relevant info |
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| 22:59.21 | webPragmatist | okay |
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| 22:59.55 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 23:00.01 | SerajewelKS | webPragmatist: but i don't think that having it in fstab means that if the other box dies or you lose network connectivity it will come back up by itself :) |
| 23:00.08 | lenswipe | debian is saying i need the ssleay-perl library - how do i install it? |
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| 23:00.10 | lenswipe | im on debian |
| 23:00.17 | lenswipe | lenny |
| 23:00.20 | simonrvn | obviously |
| 23:00.54 | lenswipe | simonrvn: no, not obviously... |
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| 23:00.58 | lenswipe | i might be running sarge |
| 23:01.05 | xand | obviously you're on debian. |
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| 23:01.13 | lenswipe | xand: yeah, that was an enter fail |
| 23:01.14 | simonrvn | you might be running hamm |
| 23:01.24 | jelly-hme | lenswipe: apt-cache search ssleay perl ? |
| 23:01.33 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 23:01.34 | xand | libnet-ssleay-perl ? |
| 23:01.38 | jelly-hme | xand: hush |
| 23:01.49 | xand | gets the gag |
| 23:02.11 | jelly-hme | give a man a package, he'll come back to nag you again |
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| 23:02.23 | jelly-hme | teach him how to search, er. |
| 23:02.34 | lenswipe | jelly-hme: thats what she said |
| 23:02.35 | simonrvn | give a man apt-cache, he won't |
| 23:02.35 | sigmonsays | If I were to convert a rubygem into a .deb, how would I allow multiple versions of the same name to be installed? |
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| 23:04.42 | simonrvn | sigmund |
| 23:04.46 | xand | jelly-hme: hmm, giving men packages. |
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| 23:05.37 | xand | lenswipe: is it len swipe or lens wipe? |
| 23:05.45 | lenswipe | xand: its lenswipe |
| 23:05.46 | lenswipe | :) |
| 23:05.52 | xand | what does that mean? |
| 23:05.59 | lenswipe | its a think you wipe a camera lens with |
| 23:06.05 | xand | lens wipe then |
| 23:06.08 | lenswipe | i guess |
| 23:06.18 | lenswipe | im not going to bother asking about your name |
| 23:06.21 | lenswipe | i know what it means :p |
| 23:06.27 | xand | do you? |
| 23:06.32 | lenswipe | XAND = a type of logic gate |
| 23:06.33 | lenswipe | isnt it? |
| 23:06.45 | lenswipe | wait no |
| 23:06.47 | lenswipe | that wouldnt make sense |
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| 23:07.17 | MuisjeNL | Is it possible to tell a system remotely to ignore the CD? |
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| 23:07.25 | xand | haha |
| 23:07.31 | xand | MuisjeNL: ignore the CD? |
| 23:07.43 | MuisjeNL | I left de debian install CD inside the CD tray at work... and its boot priority is to boot CD first... |
| 23:07.47 | simonrvn | MuisjeNL: yeh. you type ignore the cd on the commandline :P |
| 23:08.06 | macrobat_ | mean ppl |
| 23:08.13 | xand | MuisjeNL: not sure that's debian question, but the machine would need a LOM thingy. |
| 23:08.26 | MuisjeNL | macrobat_ it's IRC, what'd ya expect ;) |
| 23:08.34 | MuisjeNL | xand, LOM thingy? |
| 23:08.42 | xand | lights out management |
| 23:08.45 | lenswipe | MuisjeNL: it depends if you have KVM over IP setup |
| 23:08.50 | MuisjeNL | nope lenswipe |
| 23:08.55 | lenswipe | in that case no |
| 23:09.03 | xand | basically a way of controlling the computer remotely without relying on its OS |
| 23:09.07 | MuisjeNL | can't i just let debian pop out the cd? xD |
| 23:09.10 | lenswipe | the bios as far as im aware doesnt allow you to remote control the bios |
| 23:09.15 | macrobat_ | eject |
| 23:09.26 | MuisjeNL | Yeah but i was joking that it would spit it out xD |
| 23:09.27 | xand | how would you connect to do that? and presumably the cd drive would close again when it reboots |
| 23:09.37 | xand | lenswipe: depends on the bios |
| 23:09.41 | MuisjeNL | definitly i think |
| 23:09.46 | lenswipe | xand: tell me more, im interested |
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| 23:09.56 | macrobat_ | disable some cd driver? |
| 23:10.04 | xand | lenswipe: they can have serial consoles |
| 23:10.06 | MuisjeNL | If it is planned to check CD drive as boot priority |
| 23:10.11 | simonrvn | macrobat_: still os dependent |
| 23:10.13 | MuisjeNL | It would inject CD |
| 23:10.17 | lenswipe | xand: ah right yeah, but its not like control over IP |
| 23:10.20 | xand | all Sun machines for example |
| 23:10.24 | xand | lenswipe: well some are |
| 23:10.28 | lenswipe | orly? |
| 23:10.30 | lenswipe | cool |
| 23:10.32 | MuisjeNL | DOes the deb install CD continue after like 30 seconds of no action? |
| 23:10.46 | simonrvn | there's a timeout yes |
| 23:10.51 | MuisjeNL | set to? |
| 23:11.03 | simonrvn | 10 s iirc |
| 23:11.04 | MuisjeNL | Used the netinstall version |
| 23:11.12 | lenswipe | MuisjeNL: i used that |
| 23:11.12 | simonrvn | doesn't matter |
| 23:11.21 | xand | lenswipe: many servers will have that built-in |
| 23:11.57 | kcj1993 | nm-applet doesn't run at startup |
| 23:11.57 | MuisjeNL | So if the PC doesn't get triggered, it will boot after 10 seconds the next boot device? :/ |
| 23:12.03 | lenswipe | xand: thats pretty cool |
| 23:12.17 | kcj1993 | how do I get it to run at startup |
| 23:12.34 | kcj1993 | it needs root privileges |
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| 23:13.21 | simonrvn | just run it. it'll request privs as needed |
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| 23:13.41 | kcj1993 | but I need it to run when i log in |
| 23:14.16 | kcj1993 | like every other disrto out there |
| 23:15.38 | MuisjeNL | simonrvn, would it boot next device after 10 s? |
| 23:15.39 | sylar | hi, I want to shut down the network, but everytime I do, a bit later it is back up :( |
| 23:15.50 | sylar | anyone knows what fires up my network again? |
| 23:15.57 | simonrvn | MuisjeNL: htf should i know? it's your box. |
| 23:16.04 | sylar | I get eth0, and eth0:avahi |
| 23:16.22 | sylar | where the eth0:avahi has a wierd ip |
| 23:16.28 | xand | sylar: network mangler? |
| 23:16.31 | simonrvn | kcj1993: and.... if you save your session it'll run, or add it to ~/.config/autostart/ |
| 23:16.51 | MuisjeNL | simonrvn, because it applies to all debian netinstall cds? |
| 23:16.54 | sylar | xand, I killed NetworkManager process |
| 23:17.06 | sylar | xand, if that what you meant, but it still returns |
| 23:17.07 | MuisjeNL | I asked if the netinstall CD would continue booting after an interval |
| 23:17.18 | simonrvn | it boots the cd - like was previously said .... |
| 23:17.36 | simonrvn | hates repeating himeself |
| 23:17.37 | SolarisBoy | is avahi-daemon running? |
| 23:18.01 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Remember this: The way "every other distribution out there" does it is wrong. This is #debian. The way Debian does it is right. |
| 23:18.19 | SolarisBoy | <--giggles |
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| 23:18.42 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Also it's probably just an option you're not used to having. I couldn't get the network manager applet to display, although it ran just fine. Turned out I didn't have the system tray applet for it to display in. |
| 23:18.44 | kcj1993 | debian has done nothing right so far in my experience |
| 23:18.46 | MuisjeNL | hopes it will boot anywayz :( |
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| 23:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Seeing as it's one of the standards by which Linux distributions are measured... |
| 23:19.16 | SolarisBoy | i guess this is why so many sites run debian in prod.... |
| 23:19.18 | SolarisBoy | not |
| 23:19.46 | MuisjeNL | wow |
| 23:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Adjust your expectations. |
| 23:19.48 | MuisjeNL | it booted (h) |
| 23:20.13 | themill | Nothing's foolproof because fools are too ingenious |
| 23:20.20 | MuisjeNL | 2.6.26-2-openvz-686 weee :) |
| 23:20.21 | kcj1993 | jhutchins_lt, so i should expect everything to fail? |
| 23:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Think about what you're saying. You're in a chat room with 575 users, most of whom presumably use Debian. It's not failing, it's failing to meet your expectations. You expect it to behave like something else. |
| 23:21.57 | themill | jhutchins_lt: either that or it's pebkac again. |
| 23:22.22 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Those pesky expectations. |
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| 23:22.34 | kcj1993 | jhutchins_lt: I expect it to work and be usable, so far this has not been the case, but my hopes are high :) |
| 23:23.02 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: It works, it's usable, it's just that YOU don't understand how it works or how to use it. |
| 23:23.32 | themill | kcj1993: are you in the "netdev" group? |
| 23:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Seriously, Millions of satisfied users. It's probabaly not them. |
| 23:24.48 | kcj1993 | jhutchins_lt, then why is my system failing? |
| 23:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: Because you do not understand what it's doing. |
| 23:25.37 | kcj1993 | jhutchins_lt: please don't insult my intelligence |
| 23:26.10 | kcj1993 | themill: what is "netdev"? |
| 23:26.26 | themill | kcj1993: I'll start insulting your reading comprehension again if you're not careful. We've already established that is quite poor. |
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| 23:28.36 | kcj1993 | themill, that's not very nice |
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| 23:30.24 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: You realize we are all just other users here, waiting until someone who might answer our own questions comes along. |
| 23:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: We are not responsible for your difficulties, and it is not up to us to fix them. |
| 23:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | kcj1993: We may be able to offer suggestions or links to helpful information. |
| 23:31.19 | themill | kcj1993: *shrug* prove me wrong then. Over the last couple of days a lot of people have given up helping you because after explaining things many times and providing you with links to detailed documentation you just came back and asked exactly the same question again. |
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| 23:32.39 | kcj1993 | are there any other channels that are jerk-free? |
| 23:33.35 | themill | kcj1993: dozens of people per day get good help in here. They ask intelligent questions, listen to the answers they get and think for themselves. |
| 23:34.07 | streuner | insulting doesnt help much |
| 23:34.12 | themill | kcj1993: are you in the "netdev" group? |
| 23:34.21 | kcj1993 | no it doesn't |
| 23:34.38 | kcj1993 | what is netdev?? |
| 23:34.43 | kcj1993 | oh |
| 23:34.49 | kcj1993 | hold on |
| 23:35.40 | topi` | oh, the bad, unhelpful ppl on irc... tell me something new :D |
| 23:36.13 | kcj1993 | I'm in netdev now |
| 23:36.18 | topi` | if someone is willing to help me getting that damn touchpad working on my macbook6, i'm listening... :) |
| 23:36.25 | themill | kcj1993: when you add yourself to a group, you need to log out and log back in for it to take effect. |
| 23:36.34 | kcj1993 | brb |
| 23:36.47 | topi` | otherwise, i'll just start writing down everything I had to do to get damn linux working on the new macbook and publish it, sans the touchpad part |
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| 23:37.09 | kcj1993 | topi`, i hope someone helps :) |
| 23:37.26 | topi` | kcj1993: use the "id" command to see which groups your acct belongs to |
| 23:38.18 | simonrvn | topi`: you could send it to me and i'll figure it out :P |
| 23:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | topi`: Send me a check so I can buy a macbook6 and I'll look into it. |
| 23:38.29 | topi` | great :D |
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| 23:38.52 | simonrvn | oh, do you want it back after? :P |
| 23:38.55 | kcj1993 | yay! it works |
| 23:38.59 | topi` | well I think usbhid is the problem. it gets loaded before appletouch.ko and hence blocks the touchpad without actually knowing how to interpret it |
| 23:39.25 | simonrvn | load it before usbhid |
| 23:39.28 | topi` | now, one solution would be blacklisting usbhid, but that does not sound a *good* option to me... |
| 23:39.35 | topi` | simonrvn: how? |
| 23:39.37 | simonrvn | i imagine it's modular |
| 23:39.43 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 23:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | topi`: Ach, that can be a pain. You can set up the modprobe files to unload usbhid, load appletouch, then reload usbhid. |
| 23:39.53 | simonrvn | appletouch\nusbhid |
| 23:40.20 | themill | kcj1993: so as simonrvn said earlier, you need to add it to your session so it starts on its own next time you log in. |
| 23:40.39 | jhutchins_lt | topi`: I'll bet you're not the first person to run into this. |
| 23:40.44 | simonrvn | but yeh for right now unload usbhid then unload/load appletouch |
| 23:40.56 | simonrvn | (if you can, it might be locked in) |
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| 23:41.27 | jhutchins_lt | elo touchscreens have an example of how to automate that. |
| 23:43.11 | simonrvn | modprobe -r usbhid && modprobe -r appletouch && modprobe appletouch && modprobe usbhid |
| 23:44.29 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Is that the correct syntax for the modprobe file? |
| 23:45.05 | simonrvn | nah just to get it working right now. |
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| 23:45.20 | topi` | the nasty thing is that if I unload usbhid, I lose my keyboard ... |
| 23:45.23 | kcj1993 | aww the channel logs only go up to the 24th |
| 23:45.25 | zhobbs_ | how can I tell which package installed a file? |
| 23:45.35 | simonrvn | /etc/modules you just put the modules in order, top to bottom, one per line |
| 23:45.38 | topi` | I need another machine and ssh access... |
| 23:45.50 | prince_jammys | zhobbs_: dpkg -S |
| 23:45.57 | simonrvn | topi`: so put semi-colons instead of && |
| 23:46.08 | simonrvn | at least if one fails the others will go on |
| 23:46.26 | zhobbs_ | prince_jammys: thanks |
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| 23:46.50 | topi` | simon: good point |
| 23:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | topi`: If you look up the elo touchscreen drivers on their web page, they have an example of the modprobe syntax. It's a similar problem for them, usbhid grabbs the interfcae. |
| 23:47.23 | zhobbs_ | how can I tell if a package is installed, and if so what version is installed? |
| 23:47.34 | prince_jammys | dpkg -l packagename |
| 23:47.34 | dpkg | ii packagename 2.9-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:47.38 | simonrvn | zhobbs_: man dpkg |
| 23:47.44 | zhobbs_ | thanks |
| 23:48.04 | topi` | I wonder if the n00bs of today understand "RTFM" :) |
| 23:48.12 | zhobbs_ | I've never really understood when to consult dpkg vs apt-* |
| 23:48.20 | topi` | when I was a kid, I learnt it quickly on IRC ;) |
| 23:48.35 | simonrvn | they do |
| 23:48.39 | prince_jammys | zhobbs_: there is some overlap. |
| 23:48.52 | topi` | zhobbs_: dpkg handles individual packages, apt-* handles resolving of those dependencies and fetching the actual bits |
| 23:49.32 | simonrvn | and sometimes dpkg is a frontend for dpkg-* |
| 23:49.41 | prince_jammys | then there's aptitude which does everything you can imagine |
| 23:49.59 | simonrvn | except the kichensink, but it does do minesweeper |
| 23:50.03 | simonrvn | kitchen* |
| 23:50.22 | prince_jammys | i'm hoping they'll throw in asteroids, or perhaps Qbert. |
| 23:50.33 | simonrvn | qbert! |
| 23:50.41 | prince_jammys | @#$? |
| 23:50.43 | simonrvn | both! |
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| 23:51.01 | prince_jammys | s/\$/!/ |
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| 23:52.48 | zhobbs_ | dpkg -l output is strange... |
| 23:52.48 | dpkg | ii output is strange... 1.1-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:53.27 | simonrvn | i'll say. it keeps revealing your gamp collection |
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