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| 00:01.57 | Bird|ghosted | ok, b43-fwcutter in Squeeze gives me a 410 firmware, I need a 478 or later to use my card (BCM4315) as I get the infamous "fatal DMA error" otherwise |
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| 00:08.55 | Devastator | is there a way to backport newer iptables to lenny? |
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| 00:10.21 | oggei | Devastator: iptables is a kernel's netfilter frontend, so backporting is imo very ymmv unless you're know what are you doing |
| 00:11.04 | oggei | what do you want to do with newer release ? |
| 00:11.15 | Devastator | oggei according to some netfilter's devs, 1.4.3 has better error messages |
| 00:11.26 | Hyperzid | Is it possible to add/remove the size of a software raid5 filesystem? with mdadm? |
| 00:11.47 | Hyperzid | If I have 4 disks in raid5.. and want 6? |
| 00:12.03 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:12.14 | simonrvn | 'night |
| 00:12.23 | Armageddon | good night TrueDD |
| 00:12.29 | Bird|ghosted | oof: b43-fwcutter gave me a 410 firmware, the b43 driver usually requires 478 firmware in order to work with LP-PHY cards (like my BCM4315), should I just break down and do the fwcutter dance by hand? or is there a Debian way to convince b43-fwcutter to pull in the right firmware automatically? |
| 00:12.50 | TrueDD | good night Armageddon |
| 00:12.51 | simonrvn | !b43-fwcutter |
| 00:12.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Available as a <contrib> package for Lenny, Etch and Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. |
| 00:13.01 | TrueDD | and simonrvn |
| 00:13.12 | oggei | Devastator: shorewall is a nice iptables frontend, you can try it instead using naked iptables |
| 00:13.20 | simonrvn | Bird|ghosted: seen that yet? ^^^ |
| 00:13.30 | Hyperzid | Anyone good with mdadm and raid5? |
| 00:13.36 | Devastator | oggei I need a custom script.. |
| 00:14.05 | oggei | then you can use shorewall |
| 00:14.15 | Bird|ghosted | simonrvn, doesn't answer my question |
| 00:14.24 | Armageddon | upgrading from lenny to sid means I have to change lenny in my source.list to sid right ? |
| 00:14.33 | Bird|ghosted | the b43-fwcutter package in Squeeze downloads and installs the v410 firmware |
| 00:14.43 | simonrvn | Armageddon: if you have to ask, don't do it. |
| 00:14.50 | ruben23 | hi, anyone can suggest an opensource ticketing system.. |
| 00:14.58 | Bird|ghosted | I need v478 or later in order to have a hope of having my card working correctly... |
| 00:15.02 | MuisjeNL | Great, almost done with my system :) |
| 00:15.03 | oggei | ruben23: eventum from mysql is well written |
| 00:15.04 | Armageddon | simonrvn: why not ? |
| 00:15.07 | simonrvn | Bird|ghosted: so try with an upstream kernel |
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| 00:15.32 | MuisjeNL | The only problem i might run into is that i should've left disk space free for OpenVZ containers... |
| 00:15.35 | mde88 | is there a way that i can turn a dpkg to dsc |
| 00:15.39 | simonrvn | Armageddon: it's not for casual usage. |
| 00:15.41 | Bird|ghosted | simonrvn, it's not my kernel that's the issue |
| 00:15.51 | Armageddon | simonrvn: fine, let's say to squeeze |
| 00:15.53 | Bird|ghosted | it's the fact that b43-fwcutter is downloading the WRONG version of the firmware |
| 00:16.09 | themill | Armageddon: for squeeze and sid, think of it as an initiative test. If you can't work out how to do it yourself from the documentation that's provided, then you shouldn't. |
| 00:16.19 | simonrvn | Bird|ghosted: i know, but it might have the right version for you. ah. maybe force it somehow. |
| 00:16.28 | Bird|ghosted | LP-PHY devices need v478 or later to work |
| 00:16.55 | Bird|ghosted | simonrvn, the question is "force it how?" :) is there a Debian-specific way to tell it which version to d/l, or do I just have to go and do the dance manually? |
| 00:17.01 | Armageddon | themill: how about think of it that most of my hardware need the new kernel that is on either squeeze or sid to work |
| 00:17.22 | kcj1993 | http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian only goes up to the 24th, does anyone have logs for yesterday? |
| 00:17.24 | Armageddon | upgrade is not an option for me |
| 00:17.25 | themill | Armageddon: newer kernels are available for stable. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:17.42 | kcj1993 | or the last 24h |
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| 00:19.07 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.24 | simonrvn | Bird|ghosted: i don't know |
| 00:19.42 | Armageddon | themill: interesting concept |
| 00:20.00 | oggei | ruben23: yes |
| 00:20.03 | kcj1993 | any logs for the past 24h? |
| 00:20.19 | themill | !upgrade path |
| 00:20.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, upgrade path is install <stable> first, then use <backports.org> if you really really need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable> |
| 00:20.24 | themill | Armageddon: ^^ |
| 00:20.27 | Armageddon | themill: what is on backport ? |
| 00:21.04 | themill | Armageddon: linux-image-2.6.30 is probably the one of most interest to you right now |
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| 00:21.33 | Armageddon | themill: of course, how about latest application packages ? |
| 00:22.31 | themill | Armageddon: search for a package at packages.debian.org and it will show you if there is a version on backports.org. There are a few selected packages backported where it's feasible to do so and it makes a real difference to the user. It's not just there for version chasing. |
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| 00:23.31 | Armageddon | themill: but for example newer pidgin version will support msn protocol while the one that comes with Lenny is not supported anymore by the server |
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| 00:25.13 | simonrvn | weee |
| 00:25.14 | themill | Armageddon: yes, there's a real benefit to backportng pidgin and 2.6.4 is there. See packages.debian.org/pidgin |
| 00:25.14 | simonrvn | grabs his board |
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| 00:25.27 | Armageddon | themill: thanks :) |
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| 00:27.16 | MuisjeNL | themill |
| 00:27.20 | MuisjeNL | i finally reinstalled :p |
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| 00:27.54 | adb | Bird|ghosted, /msg dpkg wl |
| 00:28.12 | themill | MuisjeNL: yay! I'll refrain from saying "about time" :þ |
| 00:28.16 | Bird|ghosted | adb, I used wl for the past long while, I don't want any part of that crap any longer |
| 00:28.52 | MuisjeNL | themill, well i must say i learned alot of it |
| 00:29.05 | adb | Bird|ghosted, write your own driver then ;( |
| 00:29.17 | MuisjeNL | It was quite a educational showdown :) |
| 00:29.19 | Armageddon | themill: a question, will an apt-get upgrade do the job of installing the new kernel ? |
| 00:29.31 | blast_hardcheese | Why is dnsmasq so awesome? |
| 00:29.51 | MuisjeNL | But in the end i recovered SSH and 1 rootkit caused illegal instructions followed by a pre-expected kernel panic, so i made a last backup before rebooting :) |
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| 00:30.44 | themill | Armageddon: no, because it's not an upgrade to any package you have installed. "aptitude search ~nlinux-image-2.6.30" then "aptitude install linux-image-$VERSION" from that output (something like linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686) |
| 00:31.22 | kcj1993 | how do I know if i need drivers for my graphics hardware? |
| 00:31.35 | adb | Bird|ghosted, install the kernel 2.6.32 and do http://wiki.debian.org/wl .. |
| 00:31.38 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 00:32.19 | MuisjeNL | Anyone knows about OpenVZ? (I know, -> #openvz) but they aren't as fast :p All i need to know is if i had to leave diskspace free for containers or not |
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| 00:33.29 | Bird|ghosted | adb, my card IS supported by b43 with the 478 firmware |
| 00:33.53 | exes | so I'm having some issues, http://www.exes.org/issues |
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| 00:34.08 | sigmonsays | wtf is debhelper kicking me ? |
| 00:34.15 | sigmonsays | debhelper, why are you kicking me? |
| 00:34.21 | adb | Bird|ghosted, lspci -nn | grep Wi , says ? |
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| 00:35.16 | Bird|ghosted | adb, my card's a BCM4315 if that helps :) |
| 00:35.32 | adb | get us tje output please |
| 00:35.37 | adb | the* |
| 00:35.38 | dbbolton | my usb mouse doesn't work with my custom kernel. i tried modprobing usbhid but it still doesn't work. |
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| 00:36.56 | exes | fixed it! |
| 00:36.57 | Bird|ghosted | adb, that doesn't return my wireless card |
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| 00:37.14 | adb | abd says ? |
| 00:37.20 | adb | an*d says ? |
| 00:37.20 | Armageddon | Bird|ghosted: whats your wireless card ? realtek ? |
| 00:37.37 | simonrvn | some broadcom crap |
| 00:37.40 | Bird|ghosted | Armageddon, no, Broadcrap :P |
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| 00:37.54 | Bird|ghosted | simonrvn, agreed, my machine rejected my attempt at a wifi card transplant tho |
| 00:37.55 | Armageddon | Bird|ghosted: then you do not have my problem |
| 00:38.03 | simonrvn | Bird|ghosted: :( |
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| 00:38.38 | simonrvn | sigmonsays: debhelper is a bot. it doesn't even talk. |
| 00:39.04 | kcj1993 | how do I know if i need drivers for my graphics hardware? |
| 00:39.19 | DEbiansqueeze | can you see your screen? |
| 00:39.27 | Armageddon | kcj1993: what graphics hardware do you have ? |
| 00:39.56 | Armageddon | DEbiansqueeze: he's talking to us, what do you think ? :P |
| 00:40.33 | Bird|ghosted | adb, your line just gives me the lspci line from my firewire chip :o |
| 00:40.43 | Bird|ghosted | 06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 00:40.47 | adb | 14e4:4315 |
| 00:40.48 | Bird|ghosted | ^^ that's the line for my wifi chip |
| 00:40.50 | Bird|ghosted | yep |
| 00:40.51 | ravenbird | Bird|ghosted: wish I knew |
| 00:41.21 | adb | Bird|ghosted, so use WL |
| 00:41.51 | Bird|ghosted | adb, o.O O.o you didn't hear about LP-PHY support being released with the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 00:41.53 | adb | dpkg, pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 00:41.53 | dpkg | adb: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:42.10 | simonrvn | wrong bot |
| 00:42.18 | themill | ENOJUDD |
| 00:42.21 | simonrvn | !pciid |
| 00:42.21 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b |
| 00:43.07 | Bird|ghosted | yeah judd's AWOL |
| 00:43.52 | simonrvn | will be back soonish |
| 00:43.53 | kcj1993 | Armageddon: Any code I can run to see what is is? |
| 00:44.41 | Armageddon | you don't know what you have ? |
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| 00:46.37 | kcj1993 | ati 200m or something, i'm using a laptop |
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| 00:47.13 | Armageddon | kcj1993: try lspci | grep VGA |
| 00:47.34 | kcj1993 | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) |
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| 00:47.54 | Armageddon | ok then it is probably working |
| 00:48.10 | Armageddon | kcj1993: there are not official drivers for ATI cards, you are probably using fglrx |
| 00:48.14 | macrobat | ravenbird: pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 00:48.15 | ravenbird | macrobat: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:48.51 | Bird|ghosted | Armageddon, the 200M SHOULD work with radeon/r300 |
| 00:49.01 | Armageddon | Bird|ghosted: they all work |
| 00:49.14 | Bird|ghosted | yeah. the 200M is a bit of a flake I hear though |
| 00:49.23 | Armageddon | Bird|ghosted: but there are not official drivers from ATI, fglrx is the only driver available right ? |
| 00:49.29 | kcj1993 | but if i try to start compiz xorg crashes |
| 00:49.29 | simonrvn | wrong |
| 00:49.40 | Armageddon | cause I have the 3650 |
| 00:49.49 | kcj1993 | so I'm guessing i don't have the drivers |
| 00:49.54 | alrs | Armageddon: x.org has radeon drivers |
| 00:49.56 | Bird|ghosted | Armageddon, no...fglrx is the official driver from ati |
| 00:49.57 | Armageddon | simonrvn: wrong ? |
| 00:50.04 | Armageddon | it is ? :/ |
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| 00:50.10 | Armageddon | ok then |
| 00:50.12 | Armageddon | cool |
| 00:50.14 | Bird|ghosted | radeon/r300/r300g/r600 = the open-source drivers within the Mesa codebase |
| 00:50.25 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 00:50.34 | simonrvn | and many more; man radeon |
| 00:50.38 | Bird|ghosted | for radeons below the HD2k/HD3k/X4k/X5k, radeon is the definite choice |
| 00:51.03 | Bird|ghosted | and with recent Mesa versions, even HD2k/HD3k/X4k hardware is worth trying r600 on |
| 00:51.09 | kcj1993 | is there any way to test it hardware acceleration is working? |
| 00:51.11 | Bird|ghosted | (recent = 7.6.1 and later) |
| 00:51.16 | Bird|ghosted | kcj1993, glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:51.18 | Bird|ghosted | also glxgears |
| 00:51.34 | kcj1993 | Warning, xpress200 detected. |
| 00:51.34 | kcj1993 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 00:52.05 | Bird|ghosted | kcj1993, pastebin me the output of glxinfo |
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| 00:52.38 | Bird|ghosted | and also, don't expect anything, the Radeon Xpress 200 series is seriously buggy WRT OpenGL (on all platforms) |
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| 00:52.59 | Bird|ghosted | the best you will get is pathetic performance (>1spf) |
| 00:53.25 | Armageddon | do I need the security debian repos ? |
| 00:53.52 | Armageddon | cause I can't connect to the repos, unless there is another one |
| 00:54.01 | kcj1993 | Bird|ghosted, http://paste.ubuntu.com/362957/ |
| 00:54.29 | Bird|ghosted | kcj1993, then the r300 driver is doing the best it can for you |
| 00:54.39 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 00:54.47 | Bird|ghosted | fglrx is a very good way to break a system, so I wouldn't recommend installing it, as it won't help anything |
| 00:54.58 | kcj1993 | ok |
| 00:55.03 | Armageddon | kcj1993: listen to Bird|ghosted |
| 00:55.17 | Bird|ghosted | there are BIOS/firmware flaws in the card most likely :( that prevent it from doing much of anything beside flopping about uselessly when it tries to do OpenGL accel |
| 00:55.18 | DEbiansqueeze | not some type of composite issue or anything ? |
| 00:55.21 | Armageddon | I've already tried it, it messes up the system big time if you make a little mistake |
| 00:55.36 | kcj1993 | so why is compiz crashing when I try to run it? |
| 00:55.52 | kcj1993 | compiz worked fine in ubuntu |
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| 00:55.58 | Bird|ghosted | kcj1993, dunno then |
| 00:56.00 | DEbiansqueeze | can you run glxgears? |
| 00:56.09 | Bird|ghosted | try running glxgears and seeing if things crash |
| 00:56.14 | Bird|ghosted | or if they stay stable |
| 00:56.24 | Bird|ghosted | also test with a 3d game...Nexuiz for instance |
| 00:56.25 | DEbiansqueeze | thats where i would syart |
| 00:56.28 | kcj1993 | yep glxgears run |
| 00:56.37 | DEbiansqueeze | sauer |
| 00:56.37 | Bird|ghosted | ok, move on to Nexuiz then... |
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| 00:56.45 | Bird|ghosted | or Sauerbraten, whichever flavor you prefer ;) |
| 00:57.14 | DEbiansqueeze | and can i see your xorg conf? |
| 00:57.28 | Bird|ghosted | I need to trundle off to a meeting though |
| 00:57.30 | Bird|ghosted | o/ |
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| 00:58.02 | Teratogen | why is firefox called iceweasel on debian? |
| 00:58.18 | themill | dpkg: tell Teratogen about why iceweasel |
| 00:58.33 | Armageddon | Teratogen: firefox is different from iceweasel |
| 00:58.43 | Armageddon | Teratogen: iceweasel is based on mozilla |
| 00:59.08 | kcj1993 | Bird|ghosted, nexuiz is a 300mb+ download, any thing smaller? |
| 00:59.15 | kcj1993 | anything* |
| 00:59.35 | jhutchins_lt | So... if iceweasel is no longer supported as of etch, what does lenny use? |
| 00:59.40 | DEbiansqueeze | you got google earth installed? |
| 00:59.51 | kcj1993 | me? |
| 00:59.57 | DEbiansqueeze | yeah |
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| 01:00.11 | kcj1993 | I'll go and get it |
| 01:00.13 | DEbiansqueeze | at least you would use it again |
| 01:00.42 | themill | jhutchins_lt: err... no longer supported *in* etch, not "as of etch". |
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| 01:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I was wondering if that was it. |
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| 01:07.52 | kcj1993 | google earth crashes |
| 01:10.49 | kcj1993 | this sucks |
| 01:11.20 | kcj1993 | I might as well go back to ubuntu |
| 01:11.48 | kcj1993 | :( |
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| 01:22.10 | cirwin | forgive me, but where is the missing link between apt-get source mysql_client-5.1 and dpkg-source -x mysql_client-5.1 ? |
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| 01:37.00 | oggei | cirwin: uh ? |
| 01:37.18 | cirwin | I want to get the sources for the mysql client package |
| 01:37.35 | cirwin | apparently I can use dpkg-source to get them, once I've apt-get source'd it |
| 01:37.43 | cirwin | but I don't know how to make it actually do anythign |
| 01:38.39 | oggei | apt-get source mysql-client is enough you have to do for having an uncompressed source tree in your current directory, and a couple of support files |
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| 01:39.24 | cirwin | oohhh.. |
| 01:39.28 | cirwin | thank you |
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| 01:39.47 | oggei | (also, apt-get source mysql_client-5.1 will fail cause no package with this name) |
| 01:39.56 | cirwin | mysql-client, w.e :p |
| 01:40.58 | Trollinator | Hi, where can i find netinstall images for debian testing? I tried here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/ |
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| 01:41.12 | Trollinator | but the only images i find there are for lenny, not for squeeze |
| 01:41.18 | streuner | !netinstall |
| 01:41.19 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 01:41.36 | streuner | just upgrade to squeeze then |
| 01:41.47 | Trollinator | this has _zero_ to do with what i've been asking. |
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| 01:42.26 | Trollinator | It's rather stupid to install stable and then upgrade instead of installing testing in the first place. |
| 01:42.42 | streuner | why? |
| 01:43.17 | Trollinator | because installing it already takes ages because it has to download so much. |
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| 01:43.37 | streuner | the only thing is, IMO, what kind of d-i (Debian Installer) you use... |
| 01:43.48 | Trollinator | and then i have to download everything again because everything is newer. |
| 01:43.54 | streuner | no |
| 01:44.03 | streuner | just install a basic system |
| 01:44.11 | Trollinator | and besides, my wlan doesn't work with kernel 2.6.26. |
| 01:44.14 | streuner | thats not much in Debian |
| 01:44.28 | Trollinator | and no, i can't plug in a cable, sorry. |
| 01:44.47 | streuner | well, you should look for a d-i which solve that then, kmuto i.e. |
| 01:45.00 | streuner | or a devel d-i |
| 01:45.23 | streuner | wlan doesnt work, why? |
| 01:45.27 | Trollinator | kmuto? |
| 01:45.31 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 01:45.31 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 01:45.41 | Trollinator | because 2.6.26 doesn't have the driver. |
| 01:45.53 | streuner | hm |
| 01:46.18 | macrobat | debootstrap from grml |
| 01:46.29 | macrobat | http://grml.org/ |
| 01:46.40 | macrobat | more to download :) |
| 01:46.40 | dvs | Trollinator: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:46.45 | streuner | grml has its own function to setup to Debian, true... |
| 01:46.50 | streuner | or that |
| 01:47.06 | streuner | Trollinator: you see, there are many ways to install Debian... |
| 01:47.25 | Trollinator | i'm installing on a laptop without an optical drive and i only have a 128 MB usb key. |
| 01:47.46 | Trollinator | i'll take a look at the kmuto thing. |
| 01:47.51 | streuner | how about an extern USB DVD LW? |
| 01:48.08 | Trollinator | i don't have one. |
| 01:48.54 | streuner | thats always crap |
| 01:49.00 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:49.00 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 01:49.13 | streuner | if you dont have the hardware to install |
| 01:49.14 | tking | Trollinator, business cd iso |
| 01:49.22 | tking | I think that fits <128mb |
| 01:49.28 | streuner | and that would work within USB stickà |
| 01:49.29 | streuner | ? |
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| 01:49.34 | Trollinator | yes, it does. |
| 01:49.41 | Trollinator | the lenny one does boot. |
| 01:49.45 | macrobat | usb sticks are cheap |
| 01:49.49 | Trollinator | it's just that the wlan doesn't work. |
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| 01:49.55 | tking | not cheap when you have 0 monies |
| 01:49.57 | abrotman | the kmuto is bigger than 128MB |
| 01:49.58 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 01:50.06 | Trollinator | yeah, kmuto doesn't help me. |
| 01:50.06 | macrobat | sell that laptop :) |
| 01:50.08 | streuner | for sure (kmuto) |
| 01:50.14 | lenswipe | how do i set debian so that all user home dirs are created with 700 |
| 01:50.16 | Trollinator | macrobat: why would i? |
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| 01:50.43 | Trollinator | abrotman: i have a 1 GB stick, i just lended it to someone. |
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| 01:51.11 | streuner | well, you should have something at least to install Debian, otherwise we cant help |
| 01:51.13 | Trollinator | err, not abrotman but macrobat |
| 01:51.28 | Trollinator | streuner: well, i have the 128 MB stick. |
| 01:52.12 | Trollinator | there was the mini.iso for stable, i just need a recent kernel to go with it. |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | Trollinator: so get it back |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | Trollinator: is it for a server? |
| 01:53.03 | Trollinator | no, for a notebook without an optical drive. |
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| 01:53.26 | Trollinator | perhaps i'll just install sid instead |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | Trollinator: you could use the squeeze installer .. though you get the warts that are inherent with using testing |
| 01:54.14 | Trollinator | my first question when i joined this channel was where to get the netboot images for squeeze. |
| 01:54.53 | Trollinator | for some mysterious reason, the images in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/ don't actually contain testing, but stable images. |
| 01:54.54 | lenswipe | how do i set debian so that all user home dirs are created with 700 permissions? |
| 01:54.57 | lenswipe | anyone know? |
| 01:55.16 | abrotman | lenswipe: vi /etc/adduser.conf |
| 01:55.23 | lenswipe | tyvm |
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| 01:55.30 | abrotman | Trollinator: moment |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | Trollinator: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 01:55.46 | Trollinator | i386 |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | Trollinator: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso .. best of luck to you |
| 01:56.05 | Trollinator | it's an atom processor, i think those don't have 64 bits, right? |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | Trollinator: uhm .. i'm too lazy to turn mine on :) |
| 01:56.59 | blizzow | I just did a dist-upgrade on squeeze and it brought up a screen saying it doesn't have the firmware files for a realtek 8169 network card. It says I need to enable a restricted repository, anyone here know how I should do that? |
| 01:57.14 | lenswipe | abrotman: i just edited DIR_MODE=700 im assuming thats the correct one? - i commented the old one out rather than delete it just in case ;) |
| 01:57.18 | dvs | Trollinator: most don't |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | blizzow: probably wants the non-free repo so you cann install the firmware from there |
| 01:57.34 | dvs | Trollinator: 230, 330, N450 do |
| 01:57.46 | Trollinator | i think it's a 270 |
| 01:58.22 | blizzow | abrotman: non-free is listed in my sources.list. I'm kind of worried that when I reboot, I won't have a network card. |
| 01:58.23 | Trollinator | OK, thanks. |
| 01:58.24 | dvs | they don't |
| 01:58.25 | blizzow | which would suck. |
| 01:58.34 | Trollinator | bye |
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| 01:59.17 | abrotman | blizzow: do you have the actual text of the message ? |
| 01:59.53 | blizzow | no, it was a whiptail message when I ran aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 02:01.59 | blizzow | I just mentioned the firmware for my network card (realtek 8169) and that it was part of a restricted package. |
| 02:03.18 | dvs | !non-free |
| 02:03.18 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:04.31 | blizzow | !non-free sources |
| 02:04.31 | dpkg | methinks non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | blizzow: aptitude search firmware |
| 02:06.19 | dotCOMmie | Hey does kbluetooth work for anyone, I haven't been able to make it work sice kde4 hit debian. |
| 02:07.02 | dotCOMmie | All I get is "no bluetooth adapter" when I hover mouse over kbluetooth logo |
| 02:07.36 | blizzow | abrotman: thanks, I'll install linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | blizzow: and you should be able to boot your current kernel i'd think |
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| 02:12.09 | blizzow | When I installed linux-firmware-nonfree, it started update-initramfs and said "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d2.fw for module r8169" It's also missing rtl8168d-2.fw but it exits okay with no other warnings. |
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| 02:14.16 | abrotman | !find rtl8168d2.fw unstable |
| 02:14.49 | bluejeans | good evening... how do i install aufs-module to my squeeze ?? |
| 02:15.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rtl8168d2.fw' returned no results. |
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| 02:17.38 | bluejeans | abrotman: i just got here.. but what's up? i was haivng darned hard tiem with that same pieve of firmare the other day.. |
| 02:19.01 | abrotman | the kernel wants it |
| 02:19.32 | bluejeans | i searched all over and asked everywhere and couldn't find the 8168 firmware.. ende dup copying the binaries from an older kernel from another partition into the corresponding squeeze parition |
| 02:19.50 | bluejeans | abrotman: i know.. but goog luck finding it... |
| 02:19.55 | bluejeans | *good |
| 02:20.38 | abrotman | well .. |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | dpkg: find rtl8168 squeeze |
| 02:20.57 | bluejeans | i believe this firmware was dropped from the .28 kernel up til the .32 in which it is partially reinstated |
| 02:21.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rtl8168 squeeze' returned no results. |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | dpkg: find rtl8168 testing |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | wonders if he's doing it wrong ... |
| 02:21.25 | bluejeans | abrotman: i know .. you won't find it anywhere in the repos.. |
| 02:21.34 | abrotman | there's actually a patch for it |
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| 02:22.01 | abrotman | linux-patch-debian-2.6.32: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/debian/debian/dfsg/r8169-rtl8168d-1-2-disable.patch.bz2 |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | linux-patch-debian-2.6.32: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/debian/features/all/r8169-rtl8168d-1-2-request_firmware-2.patch.bz2 |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | linux-patch-debian-2.6.32: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.32/debian/features/all/r8169-rtl8168d-1-2-request_firmware.patch.bz2 |
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| 02:22.32 | abrotman | not sure how they are related, but i'm guessing those patches are already applied to the kernel he's going to be using .. |
| 02:22.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'rtl8168' returned no results. |
| 02:23.18 | bluejeans | hm |
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| 02:32.34 | MuisjeNL | Finally able to recover home files |
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| 02:32.54 | MuisjeNL | abrotman, i'm stupid.. i forgot to backup users :p |
| 02:33.05 | MuisjeNL | i got the home folders, but forgot the names |
| 02:33.18 | abrotman | uhm .. the folders are the same as the user names ? |
| 02:33.22 | MuisjeNL | yup |
| 02:33.45 | MuisjeNL | Isn't it possible to export user/pass? |
| 02:33.54 | MuisjeNL | Cause that is what i failed to do |
| 02:34.00 | MuisjeNL | mainly the passes |
| 02:34.20 | MuisjeNL | It's not a big deal, only 10 accounts to set password to |
| 02:34.34 | MuisjeNL | but still... would've sucked if it wasn't internal |
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| 02:37.39 | MuisjeNL | dpkg tell me about aptitude clone |
| 02:39.21 | MuisjeNL | abrotman, can i exclude kernel images from aptitude clone? |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | if you want to |
| 02:39.42 | MuisjeNL | Care to tell me how? |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | grep it out .. use your head |
| 02:42.12 | MuisjeNL | 03:42 here working for 19 hours now |
| 02:42.25 | MuisjeNL | nah 17 |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | you'll not get any sympathy from me .. i was at work for almost 12 hours too |
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| 02:45.12 | g00dtimes | no sympathy here either. i'm a small business owner...no sleep...ever. |
| 02:45.18 | MuisjeNL | hehe |
| 02:45.23 | MuisjeNL | that i can very well imagine |
| 02:47.21 | MuisjeNL | with any luck i have the server running in 15 minutes |
| 02:47.25 | MuisjeNL | else i'd call it a night |
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| 03:08.56 | Skipp_OSX | hey I am trying to debug a serial mouse in Debian... |
| 03:09.24 | Skipp_OSX | I installed gpm but it is failing to start... probably because something isn't setup correctly |
| 03:09.29 | cast | retro |
| 03:09.40 | Skipp_OSX | cast: extremely |
| 03:09.54 | Skipp_OSX | cast: even so... what package must I install to get a basic X11 server going |
| 03:09.57 | Skipp_OSX | ? |
| 03:10.58 | cast | xorg |
| 03:12.15 | Skipp_OSX | cast... okay, what command do you use to configure X11? |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | Skipp_OSX: did you check to see if the kernel is even seeing it? |
| 03:12.45 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: how do I do that? |
| 03:13.01 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: I know that it is connected to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 03:13.04 | Skipp_OSX | (com1) |
| 03:13.05 | cast | modern debian has an autoconfiguring xserver, just startx |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | Skipp_OSX: and you probably don't need gpm |
| 03:13.30 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: well, you are right, but I just want to test to see if this mouse is working |
| 03:13.57 | Skipp_OSX | cast: yes, but probably not for cherry serial bus mice from 1990 |
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| 03:14.38 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: any idea on the easiest way to tell if the mouse is being detected/ |
| 03:14.40 | Skipp_OSX | ? |
| 03:15.22 | MuisjeNL | it moves on screen when you play with it? |
| 03:16.58 | Skipp_OSX | MuisjeNL: do far... it does not |
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| 03:17.27 | MuisjeNL | S |
| 03:17.36 | MuisjeNL | sorry, just trying to be funny |
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| 03:20.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any settings in compiz to have a fully transparent cubes windows on the rear faces be at the same brightness as teh windows on the front face? Seems it might be some kind of lighting setting or something cause as it reaches far enough back it starts to fade brightness. |
| 03:21.35 | Skipp_OSX | okay, I did something really hackish but it worked... I just ran cat /dev/ttyS0 and moved the mouse around... |
| 03:21.59 | Skipp_OSX | and random crap came out so that shows that the mouse must be working at some level |
| 03:23.02 | Skipp_OSX | but... does anybody know the command to reset your vterm.. cause now it is all f-ed up |
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| 03:23.49 | dvs | reset? |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | Skipp_OSX: X -configure |
| 03:26.47 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: okay, that did stuff but no mouse movement still... |
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| 03:27.01 | Skipp_OSX | dvs: yes that worked, thank you |
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| 03:27.32 | Skipp_OSX | so strange, the mouse clearly works... but it won't work in X11 |
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| 03:30.17 | Skipp_OSX | well, I am going to try and go into the BIOS and turn off USB and other distractions and see if that helps, brb |
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| 03:33.04 | lk | Anyone have experience using alien to make a deb for vmware server? |
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| 03:36.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | I set my panels to autohide and set show and hide times to zero, and hide size to zero. Still one pixel remains. Any workaround for that by chance? |
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| 03:40.25 | gauge | hey all |
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| 03:40.44 | lk | LinuxGuy2009, did you try a negative size? |
| 03:41.39 | Skipp_OSX | no dice |
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| 03:41.56 | abrotman | Skipp_OSX: normally /dev/input/mice is the aggregate of all the mice devices |
| 03:43.47 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: okay yes, I wondered what that was |
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| 03:44.37 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: can I change the xorg.conf to point to /dev/ttyS0 instead of /dev/input/mice? |
| 03:45.06 | gauge | waves hi to [gnubie]. "I dig your nick". |
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| 03:45.28 | abrotman | you can |
| 03:46.14 | [gnubie] | any recommended way to test if the squid service behaves normally and if not, restart it in a bash script which is checked by the cron job? |
| 03:48.03 | gauge | I was thinking of startign a journal w/ encrypted entries. I saw two good options; Truecrypt on a flash drive and 'vim -x'. I was hoping to pick your brains (sweet delicious brains) for some ideas, thanks :) |
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| 03:50.39 | cast | don't bother with vim -x |
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| 03:50.48 | gauge | ^ why? |
| 03:50.51 | ravenbird | Because! |
| 03:50.55 | gauge | oh... |
| 03:51.03 | cast | waste of time, its not intended to be really used as encryption |
| 03:51.14 | gauge | ... I see. |
| 03:51.24 | cast | don't bother with truecrypt, either, |
| 03:51.27 | cast | just use gpg |
| 03:51.56 | gauge | hmm.. In theory, I was thinking I might print out the encryted file as a hard copy, just in case. |
| 03:52.11 | gauge | gpg sounds like it might be good for that. |
| 03:52.16 | cast | aha, sure would be |
| 03:52.33 | Skipp_OSX | haha! yes, I got it to work Protocol MouseMan, Device /dev/ttyS0! |
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| 03:52.40 | Skipp_OSX | I rule |
| 03:52.43 | cast | truecrypt isn't in debian AFAIK, and only exists on 2 platforms, in linux its not really used, as we have dm-crypt |
| 03:52.44 | gauge | I has heard that gpg wasn't the best if you think the NSA might be watching. |
| 03:52.48 | cast | erm, as we have cryptsetup* |
| 03:52.58 | gauge | high fives Skipp_OSX 'Wicked!" |
| 03:53.00 | cast | and where did you hear that? |
| 03:53.17 | gauge | dmcrypt? how have i not heard of this? |
| 03:53.41 | gauge | cast: From the internets.. .... ... /g/ |
| 03:53.46 | cast | dunno, maybe you're not a gnu/linux user |
| 03:53.59 | gauge | ouch |
| 03:54.28 | gauge | I'l have you know sir, I adove gtypist and screen. Thats right, no tmux here :) |
| 03:54.31 | cast | debian supports cryptsetup [dmcrypt] and possibly loop-aes [not sure if thats still supported] |
| 03:54.33 | gauge | *adore |
| 03:54.47 | cast | good for you. |
| 03:55.18 | gauge | cool beans. Well this answered a lot of questions. Thanks cast. |
| 03:56.42 | Tramp | !encfs |
| 03:56.42 | dpkg | it has been said that encfs is a package for an encrypted virtual filesystem. See http://packages.debian.org/encfs and https://we.riseup.net/debian/encrypted-folder-using-encfs |
| 03:56.51 | Tramp | gauge: ^^ may be worth checking out as well |
| 03:56.54 | cast | truecrypt probably uses dmcrypt as its backend, i don't know |
| 03:57.43 | Skipp_OSX | okay, next line of inquiry, how do I initialize a drive? I want to completely destroy what is on there and setup new partitions |
| 03:58.41 | Skipp_OSX | perhaps there is a graphical utility to make life easier, if not, command line is fine |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | fdisk and mkfs .. read the man pages, do it on the corrrect drive |
| 03:59.08 | cast | cfdisk -z /dev/sda |
| 03:59.11 | Skipp_OSX | abrotman: yeah, that is important =) |
| 03:59.36 | abrotman | don't do like cast and just guess at the drive :) |
| 03:59.37 | cast | if you mean completely destroy, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 03:59.58 | Tramp | with a reasonable bs |
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| 04:00.14 | cast | cast presumes many things, like that you have backups |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | yay dban.sf.net |
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| 04:03.41 | Skipp_OSX | cast: I didn't listen to you /dev/sda is my current partition, /dev/sdb is the one I am erasing |
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| 04:04.34 | Skipp_OSX | cast :) brb |
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| 04:09.14 | Chris___ | when I installed debian, I didn't have an internet connection to hook into, so I said "Do not configure network right now". Now I can't use my eth0, or change my software sources from CD to internet :( |
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| 04:11.24 | liable | why not? |
| 04:11.53 | Chris___ | just doesn't work... tried System > Networking, it shows eth0 as disabled. When I double click it, then check the "Enable" box, it won't save |
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| 04:12.33 | Chris___ | I'm sure there has to be a solution aside from reinstall now that I have internet access? It's just a personal use laptop, not a full fledged server or anything |
| 04:12.54 | liable | as root, ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 04:13.22 | liable | i'm not sure what you have to do to make the gui thing work, but that should bring your ethernet up for now |
| 04:13.57 | liable | and to get your sources working, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:14.25 | Chris___ | was there not a System > Admin > Software Sources? :S |
| 04:14.32 | liable | !tell Chris___ -about sources |
| 04:14.42 | liable | dunno |
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| 04:15.39 | Chris___ | oh shiny. thank you thank you thank you liable :) |
| 04:16.00 | liable | yw |
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| 04:25.52 | liable | !tell KayAteChef -about selftell |
| 04:26.23 | liable | just fyi, that meant to be helpfull, not telling you off.. :) |
| 04:26.33 | KayAteChef | ok thanks |
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| 04:38.59 | nsadmin | so if I start a xen domU which is a debian, will it do all the usual initialization including mounting? |
| 04:41.15 | Chris___ | hrm.. run the first update/upgrade through aptitude, but apparently something needs some attention. perhaps a dpkg-reconfigure? eth0 still doesn't start on boot, have to do ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient eth0 |
| 04:41.34 | Chris___ | can't see restricted drivers, etc, through System > Admin, as well |
| 04:41.54 | liable | there isn't any restricted drivers in debian. |
| 04:42.43 | cast | just binary blobs! |
| 04:43.38 | Chris___ | Heh.. I could have sworn the last time I installed it (had net during install) it had a "Here's the restricted driver for your video card, automagically!" at first boot.. I'm almost sure it wasn't ubuntu, either |
| 04:44.29 | cast | i hope not, that would be a violation of the DFSG surely |
| 04:44.50 | Chris___ | lol |
| 04:45.09 | cast | you should replicate and then file a bug report |
| 04:45.14 | cast | coughs |
| 04:45.32 | Chris___ | guess I'll just re-install then, now that I have net support :p |
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| 05:17.06 | aghaster | Hi |
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| 05:17.23 | aghaster | I'd like to know if there's a way to know if scsi is supposed on my computer |
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| 05:20.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Where is the setting to disable the recently used document list? Do I just need to search harder in gconfeditor? |
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| 05:21.24 | joe-mac | hello all, has anybody here successfully built a .deb that needed to use maven for compilation? |
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| 05:29.56 | visof | hi |
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| 05:30.20 | visof | i can't install apache2 and i don't know what is the reason for this ? |
| 05:30.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there anyone that I can talk to that has at least a little experience with building backported debs from sourcecode? |
| 05:31.39 | visof | http://pastie.org/794647 |
| 05:31.40 | joe-mac | LinuxGuy2009: sure I have done so |
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| 05:32.07 | joe-mac | In fact, I did a huge session just the other day to get rails and rubygems on 8.04 with a newer package |
| 05:32.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | joe-mac: Would you mind if I spoke with you 1 on 1 in a PM box? |
| 05:33.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh well Ill just talk to your here then cool. |
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| 05:34.00 | visof | is there anyone can help |
| 05:34.16 | visof | i don't know what is the problem ? |
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| 05:35.12 | Kevin` | is it possible to start/stop individual openvpn processes using the debian init script? |
| 05:35.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im having issues. I tired to download the handbrake source code from Debian testing repo. I extracted it, cd to folder, then did ./configure, make, checkinstall -D to make a deb package. My problem is that the package is missing any info as to what install deps are required to install and run it. The package will install no matter what is on the system. But its obviouse when deps are missing cause it just doesnt run at all. What am i do |
| 05:35.44 | PingFloyd | visof: 2.2.9-10+lenny6 is causing a dependency conflict |
| 05:36.17 | PingFloyd | visof: aptitude is trying to resolve that, you can go through the options and see if there is one that you're satisfied with |
| 05:36.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | joe-mac: If you could help guide me in the right direction i would be grateful. |
| 05:36.58 | PingFloyd | visof: if you remove 2.2.9-10+lenny6 and then try running your command again, it may resolve easy |
| 05:37.48 | PingFloyd | visof: the key question is -- is there a reason you have 2.2.9-10+lenny6 installed? |
| 05:39.00 | PingFloyd | visof: actually I got that backwards |
| 05:39.48 | PingFloyd | visof: libaprutil1 is the cause of the conflict |
| 05:39.59 | cast | what is this handbreak? |
| 05:40.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: DVD ripper/encoder. |
| 05:40.37 | cast | ah |
| 05:40.41 | cast | just use mencoder |
| 05:40.51 | cast | no fucking around, its in debian-multimedia |
| 05:40.55 | visof | PingFly dthanks |
| 05:40.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: I didnt ask for an alternative. |
| 05:40.59 | visof | PingFlyd thanks |
| 05:41.03 | PingFloyd | visof: you're welcome |
| 05:41.08 | visof | PingFloyd thanks |
| 05:41.22 | cast | LinuxGuy2009: do you remember me? |
| 05:41.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: I need help with building a backport of handbrake from debian testing repo source code. Can you help? |
| 05:42.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: version 0.9.4 |
| 05:42.05 | PingFloyd | visof: of course removing that conflicting package may be like unraveling a ball yarn, the UI often helps in those scenarios |
| 05:42.13 | cast | LinuxGuy2009: have you read the new maintainers guide? |
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| 05:42.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: You obviously dont know how or you would help. |
| 05:42.47 | Tramp | visof: what does "apt-cache policy libaprutil1" show? Also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:42.49 | PingFloyd | visof: generally speaking the cli of aptitude is good for normal installation and removal, but the ui can be a godsend for snafus |
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| 05:43.53 | visof | Tramp http://pastie.org/794654 |
| 05:44.15 | cast | LinuxGuy2009: presumably you haven't read the nmg then? |
| 05:44.42 | visof | Tramp http://pastie.org/794655 |
| 05:45.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: I dont need your help. Thanks. |
| 05:45.25 | PingFloyd | Tramp: I was think sort of the same thing |
| 05:45.46 | PingFloyd | Tramp: I'm guess you're thinking mixed releases |
| 05:46.03 | Tramp | yes, that's what I thought - but it looks ok |
| 05:46.08 | cast | LinuxGuy2009: isn't it funny how i can make backports and .debs that work, and even rip and encode dvds with ease, i wonder what the difference between us is |
| 05:46.48 | visof | PingFloyd i did get the same problem with xorg-dev |
| 05:47.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | cast: Your no help at all. Ill get help from someone else. |
| 05:47.26 | visof | PingFloyd http://pastie.org/794660 |
| 05:47.27 | PingFloyd | visof: the main thing with aptitude is flagging the stuff you know you want with manually installed flag, then letting aptitude run its magic |
| 05:47.56 | PingFloyd | visof: UI is very handy for that |
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| 05:49.11 | PingFloyd | visof: generally speaking, I rarely remove anything manually, it's generally an easier approach to toggle manually installed flag as you see fit and let aptitude deal with the grunt work and figuring out what stay and goes based on that |
| 05:49.45 | visof | PingFloyd aptitude install xorg-dev |
| 05:49.54 | visof | then i get Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] ? |
| 05:50.14 | PingFloyd | visof: only accept if it is the solution you're after |
| 05:50.34 | visof | http://pastie.org/794663 |
| 05:50.47 | PingFloyd | visof: sometimes the automatic dependency resolver won't come up with a solution that works for what you're after |
| 05:51.28 | PingFloyd | visof: did you run aptitude update recently? |
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| 05:51.45 | visof | yeah |
| 05:51.56 | PingFloyd | how recently? |
| 05:52.07 | visof | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 05:53.06 | PingFloyd | did you downgrade or something? |
| 05:54.07 | visof | yeah |
| 05:54.20 | visof | to can install apache2 |
| 05:54.58 | PingFloyd | downgrading can be real messy |
| 05:55.05 | PingFloyd | it's not generally recommended |
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| 05:55.37 | PingFloyd | because it can lead to serious catch 22s and result in a FUBARed system |
| 05:55.43 | visof | http://pastie.org/794666 |
| 05:56.15 | cast | apt doesn't support downgrading |
| 05:56.27 | PingFloyd | if I were you, I'd change your source.list back to the release you've been using |
| 05:56.45 | Tramp | ah. that explains it then. |
| 05:57.21 | cast | bit of a worry @ recent gzip DSA |
| 05:57.36 | PingFloyd | it may not be impossible to downgrade, but you just don't do it unless you're willing to deal with the consequences when if goes all to hell |
| 05:57.49 | visof | PingFloyd how can i ? |
| 05:58.01 | PingFloyd | visof: just don't downgrade |
| 05:58.24 | visof | ok |
| 05:58.35 | visof | i still can't install xorg-dev |
| 05:58.46 | visof | you checked http://pastie.org/794666 ? |
| 05:58.55 | PingFloyd | visof: don't even think about it unless you understand debian packaging system inside and out and are will to deal everything possibly going to hell as an outcome |
| 05:59.45 | PingFloyd | at this point, you're best hope is to change your source.list back to the release you were orginally using before you tried downgrade, run aptitude update and see if you can end up with a resolution |
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| 06:00.04 | PingFloyd | your system may be too clobbered already though |
| 06:00.46 | visof | PingFloyd so i should reinstall Debian ? |
| 06:01.01 | PingFloyd | visof: you may end up having to when all is said and done |
| 06:01.12 | visof | PingFloyd and get another sources.list |
| 06:01.35 | PingFloyd | visof: downgrading isn't supported/recommended because it is unpredictable |
| 06:01.39 | Tramp | visof: what were you on before you tried to downgrade? |
| 06:02.15 | PingFloyd | visof: but it would probably be worth the effort to see if you can revert things back to how they were before you tried downgrading |
| 06:02.19 | visof | PingFloyd may you link me your sources.list ?? |
| 06:02.38 | PingFloyd | visof: I'm running fedora |
| 06:02.48 | visof | Tramp you ? |
| 06:03.00 | PingFloyd | visof: I haven't had debian installed in a little while |
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| 06:03.59 | Tramp | visof: what version of debian did you have installed before |
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| 06:04.49 | PingFloyd | visof: generally, if you find that there is a certain package you need/want and it isn't in the release you want but in an older one, that's where it would be good to check out the backports |
| 06:04.59 | visof | Tramp Debian 5 |
| 06:05.36 | Tramp | that's lenny - there's nothing to downgrade from. You said you downgraded - what exactly did you mean by that? |
| 06:07.41 | visof | i don't know what should i tell |
| 06:07.58 | visof | aptitude install apache2 |
| 06:08.11 | visof | accept ? [y/n/q] ? |
| 06:08.16 | visof | i told it no |
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| 06:08.25 | visof | then i told yes |
| 06:08.35 | visof | then i got apache2 installed |
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| 06:08.48 | PingFloyd | what we're trying to figure out is why you have packages with newer versions installed than what is coming off the repo |
| 06:10.08 | visof | PingFloyd can i remove all installed Packages then i |
| 06:10.32 | visof | install all again from that repo after update ? |
| 06:11.11 | PingFloyd | it's not going to be easy to resolve |
| 06:11.19 | cast | its good to note why packages are removed from releases, too |
| 06:11.31 | PingFloyd | there's a mixture of packages from different releases |
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| 06:11.51 | PingFloyd | or seems to be |
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| 06:13.20 | visof | PingFloyd maybe look like you got packages installed from one repo and that repo is changed and try to install packages from another one ? |
| 06:13.30 | visof | something look like this ? |
| 06:13.56 | PingFloyd | maybe repo or releases. yeah |
| 06:14.44 | PingFloyd | usually the unofficial repos though will have the correct priority though without need for pinning |
| 06:15.48 | PingFloyd | on that dependency resolution thing, you can keep hitting n and it will give you other options |
| 06:15.55 | visof | PingFloyd you have checked my sources.list ? |
| 06:16.10 | visof | is it okay or there is something wrong with it ? |
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| 06:16.26 | PingFloyd | visof: didn't see it |
| 06:17.03 | visof | PingFloyd http://pastie.org/794682 |
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| 06:17.48 | PingFloyd | looks ok, assuming you are in fact running lenny |
| 06:19.11 | visof | then ok |
| 06:19.21 | visof | i'll reinstall Debian |
| 06:19.34 | visof | and see what is the problem |
| 06:19.56 | visof | PingFloyd Thank you very much |
| 06:20.10 | visof | PingFloyd bye for now |
| 06:20.23 | PingFloyd | ok, take care |
| 06:21.58 | PingFloyd | I see what happened |
| 06:22.08 | PingFloyd | there was squeeze packages installed on their at one time |
| 06:22.27 | PingFloyd | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libfontconfig1-dev |
| 06:22.48 | PingFloyd | http://pastie.org/794666 |
| 06:24.01 | PingFloyd | yeah, I would reinstall |
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| 06:28.23 | Tramp | yeah. He probably "downgraded" from squeeze for whatever reason. However, he wouldn't tell. |
| 06:29.51 | PingFloyd | yeah, those are part of the learning experiences for newer users sometimes |
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| 06:30.42 | PingFloyd | like the faqs/howtos say something like, "strong discouraged from mixing releases, but if you decide you want to and it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. You've been warned". |
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| 06:31.32 | PingFloyd | definitely something only the experience should even attempt, and even then, there's the possibility of painting yourself into a corner if circumstances present themselves right. |
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| 06:39.45 | mohan43u | while giving 'hcitool cc "${BDADDR}"'.. connection establishing and going down immediately.. |
| 06:40.06 | mohan43u | I'm not able to give 'hcitool auth "${BDADDR}".. can someone help me.. |
| 06:40.47 | mohan43u | auth says.. "Not Connected".. but just now I gave 'cc' to connect.. |
| 06:41.05 | mohan43u | any bluetooth experts here? |
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| 06:49.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im really getting discouraged. I added source repo for main and contrib and tried "apt-get build-dep brasero" to try and experiment with building brasero source package for learning exercise. It comes back with "E: Build-dependencies for brasero could not be satisfied." Why? |
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| 07:12.32 | roe | anyone ever play with a TVs usb 'service' port? |
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| 07:14.30 | dondelelcaro | roe: try asking in ##hardware or ##electronics |
| 07:14.40 | dondelelcaro | (it's not on topic here) |
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| 07:22.35 | lxsameer | hi , is there possible that debian servers limits bandwidth for some range of IPs? |
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| 07:30.23 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: which servers? |
| 07:30.52 | dondelelcaro | (if you're talking about mirrors of the Debian archive, Debian itself doesn't control them, so it's highly likely) |
| 07:31.15 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: i try some of them like us or tw but i can't get files from theme with more than 2 KB |
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| 07:31.46 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: which servers? |
| 07:32.08 | dondelelcaro | we have a few hundred mirrors |
| 07:32.10 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: ftp.[us/tw].debian.org |
| 07:32.20 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: ftp.us.debian.org is a RR. |
| 07:32.31 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: RR? |
| 07:32.39 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: which server are you actually connecting to? and ftp.us.debian.org definetly isn't the fastest mirror for you |
| 07:32.54 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: round-robbin; there are 3-4 servers which that dns resolves to |
| 07:33.29 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: i use ftp.tw.debian.org i get this from apt-spy |
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| 07:34.03 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: it's no matter i use which mirror , i can't download package with more than 2 KB speed |
| 07:34.23 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: which specific mirror are you actually connecting to? where are you located? |
| 07:34.41 | dondelelcaro | knows that many mirrors will work at upwards of 8 megabytes/s |
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| 07:35.05 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: i'm in iran i connect to ftp.tw.debian.org |
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| 07:37.21 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: you may have better luck using one of the mirrors in israel, turkey, or similar |
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| 07:38.05 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/list for a more complete mirror list |
| 07:38.11 | bimbo | hello, is there a way I can download the sources used to create a debian package for a specific application? I need this functionality in order to manually apply a patch to an application (xmonad), it would be nice to have this already so I won't have to do much |
| 07:38.29 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: i use them too but i have same problem there too , i think there is some thing wrong with my software or connection |
| 07:39.32 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: hrm; well, it's most likely your connection, then. |
| 07:39.53 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: unfortunately, there's some serious transit lag to networks in iran |
| 07:39.57 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: but i can download other thing well |
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| 07:42.16 | phlux | Alright, I've got a buddy with a problem setting up an ipv6 tunnel. |
| 07:42.37 | phlux | I set mine up a long time ago, so my memory is a bit sketchy here. |
| 07:42.51 | phlux | He needs to create an interface (he-ipv6) |
| 07:42.56 | phlux | How would he go about doing that? |
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| 07:56.08 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: i use turkey mirror right now with debmirror and rsync but its current speed it 2.7 |
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| 07:58.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok on to my next building question, I figured out that when I use checkinstall -D after I "make" the extracted source files I had to give the list of install deps to checkinstall so that apt system would know them. I missed that before. Well my question is how will I know what a source packages install deps will be? |
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| 08:09.03 | liable | its in the control file |
| 08:09.08 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:09.08 | dpkg | bob2: rexec makes baby jesus cry |
| 08:09.09 | blizzkid | Lo all. Is it possible to create a user that can only access /some/path over ssh, and can only log in using one time passwords? Other ssh users should have full access and can use pki |
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| 08:16.59 | liable | blizzkid: take a look at scponly |
| 08:18.00 | blizzkid | liable: that sounds as no shell access at all? The user does need shell access though |
| 08:19.21 | liable | yes, its very limited |
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| 08:21.44 | blizzkid | I'll try http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 08:22.36 | liable | fucking hell, i have never had so many weird lockups and audio problems as I have had recently |
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| 08:36.19 | krion | hi |
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| 08:38.17 | cast | hi |
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| 08:41.21 | NMarcu | Hello all, how can I remove iceweasel from debina, but with all files. When I install it again, to be a fresh one. |
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| 08:41.54 | krion | --purge |
| 08:42.30 | krion | but that would not clean out your personnal file (in $HOME/.iceweasel or something like that) |
| 08:42.31 | NMarcu | I tryed apt-get --purge remove iceweasel, but when I install it again, I steel have the bookslist. |
| 08:42.50 | karsten | NMarcu: bookmarks? |
| 08:42.56 | karsten | NMarcu: They're part of your local profile. |
| 08:43.15 | element14 | NMarcu: try rename the .mozilla in your home directory, eg. " mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old " |
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| 08:43.36 | karsten | NMarcu: what element14 said. |
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| 08:47.32 | Armageddon | how does someone searches for a package in the blackports ? |
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| 08:49.15 | karsten | Armageddon: add backports to your sources. Search w/ aptitude. |
| 08:49.29 | karsten | Armageddon: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_volatile_and_backports_org |
| 08:49.32 | Armageddon | karsten: already added everything |
| 08:49.38 | karsten | Armageddon: update. |
| 08:49.43 | Armageddon | oh, that I did not read |
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| 08:49.58 | Armageddon | the volatile ones |
| 08:50.17 | Armageddon | karsten: yes I added the backports and updated and everything just didn't know about the volatile |
| 08:50.41 | karsten | Armageddon: If you've got backport sources added, you should see the package results (and appropriate version numbers) in an "aptitude search <keyword>" result. |
| 08:50.52 | karsten | Armageddon: ... install w/ -t (pinning) option. |
| 08:52.49 | Armageddon | karsten: thanks a lot |
| 08:53.48 | NMarcu | I have install iceweasel, and I see that is 3.0.6 version of Firefox. It's possible to install the last version of Firefox on Debian? |
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| 08:55.47 | karsten | NMarcu: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
| 08:56.15 | karsten | NMarcu: Sid will give you 3.5.6-1. Testing same, stable is 3.0.6-3. |
| 08:56.21 | karsten | !tell NMarcu about stable |
| 08:56.59 | karsten | NMarcu: If you're running stable, the answer is no. Understand what stable is. You may be able to install a backport or a source release (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 08:57.40 | karsten | NMarcu: I'd suggest you stick with stable and the older Firefox until you understand Debian packaging, at which point you may want to explore a more current (but less stable) release such as testing. |
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| 08:58.05 | NMarcu | I'm very new in Debian. I think stable means tested version. OK, I will stay with the stable version. |
| 08:58.07 | simonrvn | karsten |
| 08:58.10 | simonrvn | ! |
| 08:58.14 | karsten | simonrvn: Greets. |
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| 08:58.23 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:58.25 | karsten | simonrvn: I've been hiding out ;-) |
| 08:58.36 | simonrvn | it's all good buddy ;) |
| 08:58.44 | karsten | simonrvn: Actually, did another x-country trip over christmas, back for a couple of weeks now. |
| 08:58.55 | simonrvn | oh wow neat |
| 08:58.55 | Armageddon | karsten: but the new version of firefox is way faster then the old one |
| 08:59.36 | karsten | Armageddon: so you have to ask yourself: is the speed of the new version of the browser worth the hassle of learning Debian well enough to put up with unstable/testing? |
| 08:59.57 | karsten | Armageddon: This is the real world. There are trade-offs. You get to decide which ones you want to make. |
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| 09:00.23 | NMarcu | So I did not understood. There is possible to install a higher version the the stable one?(3.0.6) |
| 09:01.00 | karsten | NMarcu: Under Debian directly, not really. Via backports or using a Mozilla source release, tarball, or DEB package, maybe. |
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| 09:01.40 | NMarcu | karsten What version do you use? |
| 09:01.59 | karsten | 3.0.17 under Uubntu :) |
| 09:02.07 | karsten | erm, ubuntu |
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| 09:03.43 | karsten | It's sort of a historic accident on this particular laptop. |
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| 09:04.30 | alfatau | hello, i'm a newbie and i installed a debian 5.0.3 on an IBM Thinkpad a22m for learning about linux. It seems not recognizing the sound card and googling around (e.g. tuxmobil, etc.) i found the driver to load is called snd-cs46x. However, i don't know how to load that driver. can you help me? thank you in advance. |
| 09:06.09 | karsten | alfatau: 'modprobe snd-cs46x' should do it (as root -- sudo or root shell). |
| 09:06.26 | karsten | alfatau: You're also going to want to install alsa, generally. |
| 09:06.33 | karsten | alfatau: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 09:09.44 | alfatau | karsten: i think i've already installed alsa-common and some other suggested packages using aptitude. is it correct? i'm going to load driver as you suggested me and i get the message: "FATAL: Module snd_cs46x not found". what can i do now? thank you a lot. |
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| 09:11.27 | ewet | hi, is it even possible with debian testing to set up rt61pci as access-point? in particular: is hostapp configured with "CONFIG_DRIVER_NL80211=y"? |
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| 09:14.07 | mintux | I have a server with debian os . I don't want when somebody ping my ip of server .return output. are there anyway to disable this output for out users without any change in server performance ? |
| 09:15.10 | NMarcu | Can somebody told me a good editor for Django, compatible with Debian. I hear about vim, I did apt-get install vim vim-full, but I don't find it. I need to be a graphic editor. |
| 09:15.20 | johnny6 | Does anyone know of a way to manually specify the mirror that the Sarge netboot installer should use? All the options it gives are for where the current repos are - it doesn't realize it's on archive.debian.org now. Is there a way to manually change the mirror in the installer (ie there doesn't seem to be a sources.list yet)? |
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| 09:24.46 | NMarcu | How can I install graphic vim? I tried apt-get install vim/gvim but not succeed. |
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| 09:25.12 | Zbyshek | vim-gtk |
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| 09:28.48 | cast | type gvim |
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| 09:44.21 | riz_ | Hello. Could please someone help me with this problem? http://pastebin.com/m47982bc8 Seems like grub does not recognize "ddf1_raidzero1" and the machine does not start with new kernel (waiting for root device..) |
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| 09:46.07 | ewet | I'm trying to set up my rt61pci as master but I'm getting these errors with ifup: http://pastebin.com/m1e2125ad this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/m37bdbd0a and this is the config of the guy who made the howto: http://pastebin.com/m8dcf8f what is still wrong? |
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| 09:46.37 | ewet | I read rt61pci now supports master mode |
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| 09:49.29 | jony123 | I have given a member of a project a shell account. Im wondering what sort of restrictions can i place on his shell account. |
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| 09:57.06 | ewet | oh come on anybody? I was a good boy and read a whole lot of howtos and whatnot.. but there's little consistent information on the topic (rt61pci in master mode) |
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| 09:58.25 | oggei | try to configure it manually, and see what happens |
| 09:58.32 | oggei | some drivers still aren't supporting monitor mode+ |
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| 10:00.50 | ewet | oggei, I have set up /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf.. I can see the accesspoint (I can even give the passphrase) but my phone cannot connect to it.. |
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| 10:01.51 | ewet | http://pastebin.com/f215f180e and http://pastebin.com/f4c039c7f are the files |
| 10:02.02 | oggei | ah, managed, not monitor |
| 10:02.21 | oggei | just remove wireless-mode stuff |
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| 10:02.35 | ewet | in network/interfaces? |
| 10:02.47 | oggei | ah you have to connect with your phone to your pc |
| 10:04.15 | ewet | oggei, no tethering mind you.. I just want to bridge wlan0 to my dsl-modem so I don't have to use tha data-plan at home ;) |
| 10:04.52 | oggei | mh ? |
| 10:05.28 | ewet | nevermind.. just: no tethering. my phone will be a usual client! |
| 10:05.31 | oggei | anyway, error messages like ones you're getting are normally a "unsupported driver feature" |
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| 10:07.06 | ewet | but that's very sad because that would mean the rt61pci driver shipping with debian still doesn't support master mode.. |
| 10:08.32 | oggei | eeeh, it's very sad |
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| 10:12.48 | ewet | looks like I have to buy a wifi router after all *sigh*... |
| 10:13.38 | Armageddon | is there a way to get the latest vlc on Lenny ? |
| 10:14.29 | liable | not likely unless they have debs. doubt its in backports, though marillat might backport it i guess.. |
| 10:14.53 | jelly | marillat doesn't touch vlc... the reason escapes me atm |
| 10:15.07 | liable | ohrly? never heard that one.. |
| 10:15.14 | Armageddon | liable: they are at 1.0.4 and the current one in the depos is 0.9.* |
| 10:15.16 | jelly | upstream has own nightly builds, but I think they're for sid |
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| 10:15.28 | Armageddon | they are for sid |
| 10:15.50 | jelly | Armageddon: you could use them as a basis for a local backport |
| 10:15.52 | liable | multimedia is constantly broken in debian |
| 10:16.03 | oggei | ewet: or try to use a newer kernel |
| 10:16.04 | jelly | Armageddon: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:16.24 | liable | i have vlc, xine and mplayer all installed so that hopefully *one* will play what i want to watch.. |
| 10:16.28 | oggei | thinking in terms of "debian not supports" if we are trying to use some kernel features is generally no luck |
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| 10:17.02 | Armageddon | jelly: that's cool |
| 10:17.06 | jelly | Armageddon: however, 1.0.4 is in sid too, so you might use sid as a basis for backport, too |
| 10:17.14 | Armageddon | liable: probably vlc will open everything |
| 10:17.20 | liable | ewet: go look at linuxwireless.org. thats prolly the best place for you if you want to run that driver in master mode, along with the latest iw source |
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| 10:17.36 | liable | Armageddon: not always |
| 10:17.36 | Armageddon | ewet: is the wireless realtek ? |
| 10:17.49 | Armageddon | liable: that's why I said probably |
| 10:18.20 | liable | well, thats a silly thing to say in response to my comment then :P |
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| 10:18.51 | Armageddon | liable: I've used vlc since their 0.6 releases |
| 10:19.00 | Armageddon | they are good |
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| 10:19.34 | liable | well, i've no idea how long i've been using it, since woody, and what i said stands in general.. |
| 10:20.06 | Armageddon | what's the different between aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 10:20.14 | liable | for me anyway. i think i'm cursed with multimedia in linux |
| 10:20.21 | liable | !why aptitude |
| 10:20.21 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 10:20.41 | sauvin | What 'multimedia' are you trying to play? |
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| 10:21.11 | ewet | Armageddon, it's a ralink chip rt2561 to be specific.. a very bad choice I must add.. |
| 10:21.36 | Armageddon | ewet: which kernel version do you have ? |
| 10:21.46 | liable | sauvin: why? anything from mpeg2 to avi's and any other shit i either torrent or get in emails |
| 10:22.09 | sauvin | I use mplayer for virtually everything. You don't have luck with that? |
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| 10:22.30 | ewet | Armageddon, Linux debian 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
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| 10:22.45 | liable | sauvin: usually my first choice, but no, it doesnt always work |
| 10:22.47 | Armageddon | ewet: then you need to check the link they gave you |
| 10:22.54 | ewet | liable, I will look for the site thank you |
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| 10:23.29 | sauvin | liable, what kinds of files does mplayer not work with? |
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| 10:23.45 | Armageddon | sauvin: it usually download the plugins when needed |
| 10:23.53 | liable | ewet: you can get the latest drivers and iw source to compile against your current kernel, or the latest wireless git to build your kernel |
| 10:24.02 | liable | sauvin: i said that above.. |
| 10:24.08 | sauvin | I just walked in. |
| 10:24.10 | ewet | thanks a lot to anybody who helped here.. ralink was a pita as a "normal" card and it really is trying to make it master :/ |
| 10:24.16 | liable | i said it to you :P |
| 10:24.35 | sauvin | Heh. That was pretty broad. |
| 10:24.52 | liable | sauvin: what, you want me to give you exact file names or something? |
| 10:25.18 | sauvin | No, just specific types of files that don't work. |
| 10:25.26 | sauvin | Have you grabbed all the codecs/ |
| 10:25.47 | liable | well, i can say avi, but what exactly is the point of that? could be any number of codecs or whatever |
| 10:25.48 | johnny6 | Does anyone know of a way to manually specify the mirror that the netboot installer should use? I'm trying to install Sarge, and all the options it gives are for where the current repos are - it doesn't realize Sarge is on archive.debian.org now. Is there a way to manually change the mirror in the installer (there doesn't seem to be a sources.list yet)? |
| 10:26.03 | sauvin | Moment... |
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| 10:26.47 | Virtual | if I am running Xen is it wise to install apache or anything except Xen on the Dom0 server or should I create a VM if I want to setup a web or mail server ? |
| 10:26.56 | liable | johnny6: there is a sources.list, its in /target/etc/apt/sources |
| 10:27.16 | liable | johnny6: edit that after it has selected and failed |
| 10:27.24 | liable | why are you installing sarge? |
| 10:28.46 | sauvin | liable, in /usr/lib/codecs I have 65 codecs files downloaded from the mplayer site. Do you have these? |
| 10:29.19 | liable | sauvin: i dont actually want help :) i was just stating something |
| 10:29.32 | sauvin | Pfeh. |
| 10:29.39 | sauvin | wanders away again |
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| 10:30.10 | simonrvn | liable: bah :P |
| 10:30.23 | simonrvn | grins |
| 10:31.08 | liable | :) |
| 10:31.56 | johnny6 | liable: it hasn't gotten to the point of mounting the target yet. I think it's still getting repo information since it's the net install. |
| 10:32.23 | liable | johnny6: there is a /taget dir in the root. go to vt2 and ls / |
| 10:32.38 | liable | target* |
| 10:33.04 | johnny6 | liable: Yeah, I figured so, too, but there isn't. I'll go double check real quick, but I've definitely checked it before. One sec. |
| 10:33.16 | liable | johnny6: i'm exactly sure it will work, cause i havent played around with it for a while, but i suspect it should |
| 10:33.52 | liable | s/exactly/not exactly/ |
| 10:33.53 | johnny6 | liable: Nope, no /target. |
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| 10:35.04 | liable | johnny6: ok, set debconf priority to low and rerun that part of the installer, it might let you manually put one in |
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| 10:35.36 | liable | sarge was the first version of the new installer, so it was a bit new back then, not sure how many options it had |
| 10:35.37 | johnny6 | liable: To answer your earlier question, I'm installing Sarge because I'm installing to an old-world mac. Woody doesn't like the partitioning, and the installer kernels for Etch and Lenny don't seem to support the hardware. THe boot freezes off the bat. The goal is to install Sarge and update up to Lenny from there. |
| 10:36.04 | liable | johnny6: hmm, try #debian-ppc on oftc |
| 10:36.12 | johnny6 | liable: How is that done? Kernel option? debconf-priority=low or something? |
| 10:36.23 | liable | hackel: main menu, at the bottom |
| 10:36.39 | liable | johnny6: or expert install mode at boot option |
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| 10:37.16 | johnny6 | liable: so what is the exact text that I need to enter as a boot option? |
| 10:37.18 | liable | johnny6: what model is it? |
| 10:37.28 | johnny6 | liable: powerbook 3400c |
| 10:37.30 | liable | johnny6: expert, look at the options menu |
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| 10:37.55 | liable | is that older than a g4 ? |
| 10:38.09 | liable | or whatever, i'm not up to speed on old mac hardware |
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| 10:38.27 | johnny6 | liable: yeah. And those old macs don't boot from the cd properly for debian. So I'm doing it from the hdd. |
| 10:38.57 | liable | hackel: hmm, it should work. quite a few people use old macs |
| 10:39.03 | liable | erm, johnny6 ^^ |
| 10:39.07 | johnny6 | liable: so I don't get a boot menu |
| 10:39.11 | liable | hackel: sorry, nicktab borkage |
| 10:39.34 | liable | it doesnt say you can press f3 or whatever for options? |
| 10:39.55 | johnny6 | liable: nope, straight to the installer |
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| 10:40.03 | johnny6 | liable: but I can pass in kernel arguments |
| 10:40.10 | liable | doesnt even wait for you to hit enter? |
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| 10:40.27 | liable | johnny6: hmm, then you might need to google that |
| 10:40.30 | johnny6 | liable: Nope, just starts booting up. First question/option is the language. |
| 10:40.46 | liable | johnny6: but you should be able to set debconf priority from the main menu anyway |
| 10:41.01 | liable | its at the bottom of the main menu |
| 10:41.22 | johnny6 | liable: Ok, I'll check. |
| 10:42.07 | liable | if you hit back at any point, you should get the main menu |
| 10:42.49 | johnny6 | liable: Yeah, I get the main menu, but there's no option for that, or for anything that seems like it would include that. The very bottom is Abort Installation. |
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| 10:43.12 | liable | doesnt mention debconf priority? |
| 10:43.15 | johnny6 | liable: I'll check into what it'll take to pass it in as a boot option |
| 10:43.19 | johnny6 | liable: nope. |
| 10:43.44 | liable | johnny6: ok, i dont remember so much about the sarge installer, i didnt play with that one so much |
| 10:44.00 | liable | might not have been an option |
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| 10:45.05 | liable | johnny6: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/powerpc/ch05s02.html.en#installer-args |
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| 10:51.31 | Zbyshek | Does anything like keepassx exist in GTK version? |
| 10:52.27 | johnny6 | liable: DEBCONF_PRIORITY=low seemed to help somewhat. Thinngs are moving now, anyway. It didn't give me an option to type in a repo, but it let me choose oldstable/stable/testing/unstable, and combined with some crazy reverse proxy stuff I was already resorting to that wasn't quite working, I think we're onto something. |
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| 10:53.04 | liable | johnny6: sweet |
| 10:53.23 | F15ch3r | hello all |
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| 10:56.24 | cusement | Hi! I just updated to KDE 4.3.4 and now all system monitor widgets on the desktop are empty. I rebooted but no change. Can anybody give me a hint? |
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| 11:08.10 | heroxbd | hi. I am using ghemical from Debian Sid , which give an error of "(ghemical:8112): GdkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot load PangoFont". But in another Debian Sid, there is no problem. Any ideas? |
| 11:09.55 | Zbyshek | heroxbd: do you have to font installed? |
| 11:10.49 | heroxbd | Zbyshek: I couldn't find which font I need to install. The next errer message is *** ERROR : Can't load font 'courier 12'. But I xlsfont | grep courier gives the font |
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| 11:12.12 | steve_j | hi folks |
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| 11:12.34 | macrobat_ | pango, a library for layout and rendering of text |
| 11:12.47 | yang | with kernel upgrade, I have some dependanices with network drivers, its a rtl8168/9 in which package is the firmware ? |
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| 11:13.54 | steve_j | i am having trouble getting my Lenny intall (on VMware) playing sound. I seem to have an Ensoniq ES1371 emulated by VMware, but can't get sound out of it |
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| 11:15.47 | steve_j | can anyone suggest a good starting point for debugging this? I can't load the sound mixer, but i have installed ALSA and alsamix loads, but doesn't appear to do much |
| 11:16.06 | steve_j | *can't load the standard Gnome volume control |
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| 11:21.21 | heroxbd | how can I tell where the font in xlsfonts is located? |
| 11:22.57 | liable | heroxbd: is that a package? |
| 11:23.26 | liable | if so .. dplg -L xlsfonts |
| 11:23.49 | heroxbd | liable: for example when I type "xlsfont" I get a list of fonts. How can I tell where a individual font is located? |
| 11:24.51 | Zbyshek | heroxbd: this could be MS fonts. not sure which package it is |
| 11:25.33 | Zbyshek | heroxbd: ttf-microsoft-corefonts |
| 11:25.57 | heroxbd | Zbyshek: yeah. maybe. how can I query "where the font file is located?" |
| 11:26.44 | liable | !find |
| 11:27.09 | liable | bleh |
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| 11:30.20 | heroxbd | liable: :') |
| 11:30.56 | liable | heroxbd: i'm just running a find on my box, it takes some time if you dont know a rough idea what you're looking for though |
| 11:31.20 | Zbyshek | heroxbd: as liable dpkg -L on that package |
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| 11:31.44 | liable | well, the binary is in x11-utils, which doesn't have the fonts |
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| 11:34.03 | heroxbd | Zbyshek: there is some misunderstanding. I just know the font name, like -schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-5, I want to query where the *font file* is located. it has no ralation with packages. |
| 11:34.54 | MuisjeNL | Is it possible to run PPTP inside an OpenVZ container? |
| 11:34.56 | liable | heroxbd: find it using 'find' I cant be arsed brushing up on it myself. |
| 11:35.15 | zinx | heroxbd: you can look for it in the "fonts.alias" file in each of your font paths |
| 11:35.19 | heroxbd | finally I found "xset q" and look at the font path and grep on each "font.dir" file in each path. Haven't found a better solution yet. |
| 11:35.54 | zinx | heroxbd: you're not supposed to need the font file name in X |
| 11:36.09 | zinx | heroxbd: there's nothing to give it to you, in any case |
| 11:36.24 | heroxbd | liable: hehe. while using find, you need to know the filename first, which is I need to know |
| 11:37.23 | liable | heroxbd: well, what the xls thing spits out would be the rough filename. so -uname would be appropriate |
| 11:37.28 | heroxbd | zinx: except one case: I have two systems, one with font aaa-bbbb-xxxx, the other without. So I want to see what font file is missing |
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| 11:38.45 | heroxbd | liable: -uname? is it an cmd option to sth.? |
| 11:39.24 | liable | man find dude. i dont use it often and i aint going to do it for you :P |
| 11:41.26 | heroxbd | liable: I manned find, and didn't see that option @@ |
| 11:42.35 | liable | yeah, my memory sucks :) |
| 11:42.52 | MuisjeNL | :/ Apparently PPTPD is trying to : mknod /dev/ppp c 108 0 |
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| 11:43.01 | MuisjeNL | but it is not allowed to do that. |
| 11:43.03 | zinx | heroxbd: find . -regex '.*/fonts\..*' -print0 | xargs -0 grep -- '-schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--0-0-75-75-c-0-iso8859-5' |
| 11:43.09 | MuisjeNL | How can i solve this |
| 11:43.19 | yang | with kernel upgrade, I have some dependanices with network drivers, its a rtl8168/9 in which package is the firmware ? |
| 11:43.55 | MuisjeNL | Guess it'll be using OpenVPN |
| 11:44.19 | zinx | heroxbd: where "." is the base of some font paths, probably /usr/share/fonts/X11, and if it's not, then it's not debian :P |
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| 11:49.21 | uwe | hello, i have a debian squeeze print server, for somereason , i cannot change the "Make" of the printer, whenever i choose one, it sends me to the HP menu ... anyone having similar problems in squeeze or sid ? |
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| 11:49.32 | uwe | that is in cups ... |
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| 11:53.45 | F15ch3r | hello |
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| 11:55.36 | F15ch3r | I want to setup 2 virtuals network with different subnets, I simply don't know why I can't ping the host in the other side, this is all you need to know : http://pastebin.com/m44d6f33c |
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| 11:57.58 | krion | you want to ping 192.168.100.1 from 192.168.100.2 ? |
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| 11:58.45 | F15ch3r | no it works |
| 11:59.01 | F15ch3r | krion, I want to ping 10.0.0.1 from 172. |
| 11:59.04 | oggei | there is not everything we need to know |
| 11:59.10 | johndoe | how do i prevent aptitude from updating grub and messing with it |
| 11:59.12 | F15ch3r | krion, I want to ping 10.0.0.1 from 172.16.50.60 |
| 11:59.18 | krion | ok |
| 11:59.24 | johndoe | i had to manually repair grub today :| |
| 11:59.26 | oggei | does .5 is 802.1q ? |
| 11:59.35 | krion | looks like |
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| 12:00.10 | krion | is it QinQ ? :) |
| 12:00.12 | oggei | also, you probably have to properly setup routing |
| 12:00.31 | krion | your gateway looks strange indeed IMHO |
| 12:00.34 | nsadmin | F15ch3r both of those are unroutable subnets. if they are separated by "the rest of the internet", you won't be able to ping |
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| 12:01.01 | oggei | nsadmin: he have a lan between the two boxes |
| 12:01.24 | oggei | at least is supposed to have it, looking at the paste |
| 12:01.26 | F15ch3r | oggei, indeed it's just a virtual lans |
| 12:02.04 | nsadmin | ok, so the ping might be possible |
| 12:02.21 | nsadmin | is there a router separating 10. from 172.? |
| 12:02.22 | krion | F15ch3r: are you using vlan as asked or not ? |
| 12:02.32 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, the two gateways are able to ping each other, but the rest no |
| 12:03.00 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, no they all exist in the same lan and connected to a switch |
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| 12:03.16 | F15ch3r | krion, yes eth0.5 is a vlan interface |
| 12:03.26 | F15ch3r | that emulate the gateways |
| 12:04.29 | nsadmin | for one thing, the server does not have a route for the 172. net |
| 12:04.35 | oggei | i can't remember about vlan egress and routing |
| 12:04.47 | oggei | nsadmin: the two have a default gw pointing to other box |
| 12:05.27 | nsadmin | it looks like the nets are on the same wire? |
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| 12:05.50 | krion | both machine has there own gateway set as default route |
| 12:05.51 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, yes that's it ! maybe because of the default gateway ? do I need to use NAT ? |
| 12:05.53 | oggei | F15ch3r: sniffing on a side gives which results ? |
| 12:06.00 | krion | s/gateway/ip/ |
| 12:06.21 | F15ch3r | oggei, you want me to use tcpdump for example ? |
| 12:06.24 | oggei | ah |
| 12:06.30 | oggei | you have to setup the OTHER machine as a gw |
| 12:06.45 | F15ch3r | which one ? |
| 12:06.46 | nsadmin | not necessarily, however you would use nat to get out |
| 12:06.50 | oggei | this is for sure the *first* thing you want to do, as krion pointed above |
| 12:07.03 | krion | or the past is incorrect |
| 12:07.12 | oggei | or configure a static route to other box net using other box ip |
| 12:07.12 | optraz | hi, in the tomcat url for the webapp, there seem to appear port number, how do we actually dont show the port number? |
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| 12:07.26 | beeman_nl | hi guys |
| 12:07.32 | F15ch3r | krion, no the past is true |
| 12:07.37 | oggei | cause this way machines currently doesn't have any valid route, so they only "speak" on LAN |
| 12:07.42 | beeman_nl | i just switched from ubuntu to debian because of a bug that was annoying me |
| 12:08.05 | beeman_nl | now is see debian does not have PAE enabled by default, what is the best way to get my 8GB ram working? :) |
| 12:08.31 | oggei | split on two machines :D |
| 12:08.32 | F15ch3r | oggei, to be clear I want to emulate this topology : http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openswan.. with local hosts ! |
| 12:08.33 | gordonjcp | beeman_nl: use Ubuntu? ;-) |
| 12:08.42 | beeman_nl | lol gordonjcp :P |
| 12:08.48 | beeman_nl | i wish it was that simple :P |
| 12:08.52 | F15ch3r | oggei, ok so what I am supposed to do ? |
| 12:08.58 | rvsjoen | switch to 64-bit ? |
| 12:08.58 | oggei | beeman_nl: or install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 12:09.14 | gordonjcp | beeman_nl: there's not a lot of difference between ubuntu and debian, so the chances are you'll run into the same bug |
| 12:09.21 | nsadmin | F15ch3r I think you should try adding a route on the server for the 172. net |
| 12:09.23 | beeman_nl | oggei: oke thanks :) |
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| 12:09.34 | oggei | F15ch3r: you're supposed to properly setup routing |
| 12:09.36 | nsadmin | it IS on the SAME wire as the other nets? |
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| 12:09.50 | oggei | nsadmin: two boxes are in the same LAN |
| 12:09.54 | optraz | no, that is not what am i trying to achieve, i have apache2 running on port 80 and i dont want to mess up existing apache2 ports. |
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| 12:10.00 | beeman_nl | gordonjcp: in case you want to know, this is my ubuntu bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/511590 reproducable on this machine |
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| 12:10.07 | optraz | hi, in the tomcat url for the webapp, there seem to appear port number, how do we actually dont show the port number? |
| 12:10.16 | Slydder | http://xkcd.com/575/ LOL |
| 12:10.24 | beeman_nl | gordonjcp: i will now try and run ubuntu for some days to see if it works fine |
| 12:10.37 | beeman_nl | and i guess i will stay using it, if it runs stable |
| 12:10.54 | beeman_nl | *run debian for some days i mean |
| 12:11.06 | Snadder | What is the max value for a guid? |
| 12:11.14 | Snadder | 65000 or something? |
| 12:11.24 | rvsjoen | optraz: make apache dispatch requests to tomcat |
| 12:11.44 | thehurley | hello, i've installed a bare bones system using the net install. how do i kickoff the installer that lets me choose choose desktop and web server features again? |
| 12:11.56 | gordonjcp | beeman_nl: it would be interesting to see if the problem stays the same |
| 12:12.06 | beeman_nl | let's reboot back into my huge memory :) |
| 12:12.10 | beeman_nl | gordonjcp: yep :) |
| 12:12.11 | nsadmin | F15ch3r: so the 172, net is on the same wire as the 192. net? |
| 12:12.13 | optraz | rvsjoen: that seem to be but how do actually accomplsih it? |
| 12:12.33 | rvsjoen | optraz: google 'apache tomcat connector' |
| 12:12.44 | petemc | !tell thehurley about tasksel |
| 12:12.47 | Snadder | 65536 ? |
| 12:13.18 | thehurley | petemc: thank you |
| 12:13.21 | nsadmin | if that's a 16-bit value, that's zero |
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| 12:17.22 | oggei | he touched wrong route |
| 12:17.51 | heroxbd | zinx: aha, thank you! I have found the file:) |
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| 12:18.56 | F15ch3r | so sorry connection problem |
| 12:18.58 | F15ch3r | :( |
| 12:19.01 | optraz | rvsjoen: do you mean mod_jk? |
| 12:19.04 | paradoxmonkey | I'm trying to setup wondershaper however I keep getting this error "RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory". Am I missing something in the kernel or is it a bug`? |
| 12:19.26 | F15ch3r | oggei, can we continue the discussion plz ? |
| 12:19.32 | rvsjoen | optraz: I think so, yes |
| 12:19.57 | oggei | F15ch3r: we were at the point in which you correctly setup routing between two boxes |
| 12:20.06 | optraz | rvsjoen: if i understand mod_jk correctly, it only forward the request of servlet or jsp to tomcat.. but how does that answer my objective? |
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| 12:20.24 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: debian's kernel should have all the stuff needed |
| 12:20.30 | oggei | setting a default gw to the box itself is pretty useless, so correct that pointing to other, on either boxes |
| 12:20.32 | F15ch3r | oggei, OK, What can I do now to achieve that ? |
| 12:21.16 | F15ch3r | oggei, so for example client will use the gateway of server and vice versa ? |
| 12:21.23 | oggei | after that,well, you're studying openswan, so you're required to know at least some rudimentary iso/osi stack and stuff |
| 12:22.19 | oggei | doing networking require study, or produce failures |
| 12:22.27 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: not if I compile it myself |
| 12:22.47 | rvsjoen | optraz: I had the impression that mod_jk would do the request for you, but I could be wrong, been a while since I touched tomcat |
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| 12:23.51 | F15ch3r | oggei, to be clear, I didn't understand this sentence : oggei> setting a default gw to the box itself is pretty useless, so correct that pointing to other, on either boxes |
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| 12:24.34 | nsadmin | F15ch3r: so the 172, net is on the same wire as the 192. net? |
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| 12:24.52 | oggei | F15ch3r: having a default gw configured to itself is useless, correct that |
| 12:25.15 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, no they are connected to a switch |
| 12:25.45 | F15ch3r | oggei, ok, what can be the gw then ? |
| 12:25.57 | oggei | F15ch3r: are you sure you understood nsadmin's question ? |
| 12:26.23 | F15ch3r | sorry |
| 12:26.33 | nsadmin | well a switch is similar but not quite like a hub... |
| 12:26.35 | Crypticfortune | Can anyone think of any particular reason that mdadm gives itself rc.d sequence numbers _later_ than nfs-kernel-server? it makes it rather annoying to serve NFS off a raid...? |
| 12:26.36 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, yes they are in the same host |
| 12:27.10 | nsadmin | F15ch3r I think you should try adding a route on the server for the 172. net |
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| 12:28.00 | nsadmin | might work, might not |
| 12:29.20 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, you mean adding the network 172. to the server ? |
| 12:29.24 | rvsjoen | anyone seen this before in sid ? /usr/bin/mandb: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string |
| 12:29.42 | oggei | you have to setup routing in either machines, otherwise it will not work for sure |
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| 12:30.20 | oggei | F15ch3r: lartc.org , shorewall.net |
| 12:30.33 | F15ch3r | oggei, ok |
| 12:30.38 | nsadmin | so if the two nets are separate, that is there is a gateway with at least two nics, one of which has the 172 net the other has the 192 net, then they're not on the same wire... |
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| 12:31.03 | oggei | nsadmin: they are on the *same* wire, it does vlan tagging |
| 12:31.15 | oggei | (same wire AND vlan tagging) |
| 12:31.44 | oggei | but problem is routing, 192.168.100.1 have himself as gw and same for 100.2 |
| 12:31.45 | nsadmin | one way they can be on the same wire, is if your gateway routes both to one interface |
| 12:32.30 | oggei | nsadmin: two boxes on 192.168.100.0/24 speak correctly one to other, so don't matter what is on l2 (l2, no router) |
| 12:32.55 | nsadmin | vlan tagging, I'm not familiar with that part |
| 12:32.56 | optraz | rvsjoen: think mod_proxy answer my question faster. |
| 12:32.57 | oggei | one box also have a 10. network on it, and other have a 172., no matter if they tag, or alias interface, or so |
| 12:33.20 | oggei | first problem: 100.1 use 100.1 as default gw, 100.2 use 100.2 as default gw |
| 12:33.41 | oggei | so there is obviously not routing, only local net can work because l2 is ok |
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| 12:33.53 | oggei | so first thing is to correct routing tables on either machines |
| 12:33.57 | nsadmin | essentially all boxes are their own default gw already |
| 12:34.09 | oggei | yes but they don't obviously have to be |
| 12:34.19 | oggei | as default route is only route present |
| 12:34.52 | nsadmin | I mean, even without that, your box, my box, etc first uses itself to get out |
| 12:35.32 | oggei | in fact the only reason for configuring a stack to be a router for himself is when you have more complex setup in which you separate in different tables stuff |
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| 12:35.34 | nsadmin | that is the first routing decision is made on itself |
| 12:35.38 | oggei | that's not definitely the case |
| 12:35.49 | oggei | first routing decision is made on routing tables |
| 12:36.03 | nsadmin | right, that's what I mean :) |
| 12:36.05 | oggei | not necessarily itself, "itself" is itself a not trivial concept |
| 12:36.07 | oggei | :P |
| 12:36.35 | nsadmin | those routing tables exist in the localhost |
| 12:37.05 | oggei | i have some setup where i override default tables and don't use it at all, anyway |
| 12:37.06 | nsadmin | but nm that, it's not useful discussion either :) |
| 12:37.46 | oggei | here the problem is to setup routing between two boxes that perfectly speak on l2, OP is doing a net lab so a default gw pointing to other would be a good start |
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| 12:38.37 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i have problems with my mic in skype |
| 12:38.45 | Ariel_Calzada | i have Kernel 2.6.32 and debian testing |
| 12:41.15 | nsadmin | Ariel_Calzada: keep the info coming... so far the number of people who can solve your problem right now is zero |
| 12:43.00 | Ariel_Calzada | nsadmin: thanks |
| 12:43.21 | nsadmin | Ariel_Calzada and will continue to be zero... you have to be specific about what your problem is |
| 12:44.02 | Ariel_Calzada | nsadmin: the problem is that seems that the microphone turn off when i start a call in skype because i can hear people but they don't |
| 12:44.05 | nsadmin | the first pieces of specific info you've given is the kernel and your dist |
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| 12:45.10 | nsadmin | Ariel_Calzada: I'm not familiar with skype at all |
| 12:45.31 | nsadmin | but still keep the info coming |
| 12:45.53 | nsadmin | you might tell people... has the mic ever worked on that machine |
| 12:46.12 | nsadmin | and if so under what exact conditions |
| 12:46.56 | Ariel_Calzada | nsadmin: the microphone is built in and it works in other apps and also it works in other Operating Systems |
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| 12:47.27 | nsadmin | ok, good, so we've eliminated the mic and the sound driver as the problem |
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| 12:47.57 | nsadmin | does your sound card and driver allow full duplex operation? |
| 12:48.53 | Armageddon | how do I make my bluetooth work ? I tried everything dpkg gave me and it still didn't work |
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| 12:49.53 | Ariel_Calzada | nsadmin: i think so but how to know? |
| 12:50.40 | nsadmin | it would be a good thing to know which sound card you have exactly |
| 12:51.40 | Ariel_Calzada | nsadmin: how to know it? |
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| 12:52.20 | nsadmin | you would look at the output of lspci -nn to start with |
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| 12:52.59 | nsadmin | each line is a different pci device, find the one that describes your sound chip |
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| 13:03.12 | linduxed | my ethernet doesnt work properly so i decided to download a driver from atheros, do a make, then do "sudo checkinstall". |
| 13:03.30 | linduxed | when i try to dpkg -i the package i get the following |
| 13:03.47 | nsadmin | !pastebub |
| 13:03.53 | nsadmin | !pastebin |
| 13:03.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 13:04.50 | linduxed | http://paste.debian.net/57691/ |
| 13:05.19 | linduxed | so all im wondering is how bad it would be to run a dpkg -i --force-conflicts |
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| 13:06.06 | nsadmin | so you basically want to replace the driver that came with your kernel |
| 13:06.20 | nsadmin | what's in /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:06.39 | E-bola | When installing debian lenny on an intel atom system, should I just go with the i386, or is there one more suited? |
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| 13:07.23 | petemc | E-bola: aiui, some atoms do 64bit so you could perhaps use amd64 |
| 13:07.50 | linduxed | nsadmin: yeah, is it bad to do so? |
| 13:08.08 | linduxed | nsadmin: will there be breakage at upgrades? |
| 13:08.26 | nsadmin | yes there probably will |
| 13:08.36 | nsadmin | well not breakage exactly |
| 13:08.39 | linduxed | like what? |
| 13:08.46 | linduxed | will i not be able to upgrade? |
| 13:09.11 | nsadmin | no, you will |
| 13:09.21 | linduxed | ok |
| 13:09.21 | nsadmin | what's in /etc/debian_version |
| 13:10.01 | linduxed | 5.0.3 |
| 13:10.09 | E-bola | I think ile just stick to i386 then, dont need the performance gain anyway |
| 13:10.17 | E-bola | Just wished asterisk 1.6 was in lenny or even backported |
| 13:10.23 | nsadmin | you could try a later kernel |
| 13:10.34 | linduxed | nsadmin: hmmm |
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| 13:10.41 | nsadmin | you have .18 now right? what's your uname -r? |
| 13:11.47 | linduxed | nsadmin: it's 2.6.31-18 |
| 13:11.54 | linduxed | nsadmin: so no |
| 13:11.59 | nsadmin | oh, that is pretty late |
| 13:12.03 | linduxed | nsadmin: upgrading wont work i think |
| 13:12.12 | linduxed | i wanna use this driver |
| 13:12.17 | E-bola | Where can i see when Squeeze is scheduled to be released? |
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| 13:12.37 | linduxed | and if you say there wont be much of a breakage then i think ill try overwriting |
| 13:12.47 | nsadmin | do you have the linux image .deb for that kernel laying around somewhere? |
| 13:12.55 | linduxed | nsadmin: naaah |
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| 13:13.29 | linduxed | nsadmin: really, i was gonna do a "sudo make install" and that would have fixed the problem :-P |
| 13:13.36 | linduxed | nsadmin: or well... |
| 13:14.00 | linduxed | nsadmin: at least make me think less about the installation process ;-) |
| 13:14.05 | nsadmin | if you could copy the original driver, at least you'd be able to put things back |
| 13:14.34 | linduxed | nsadmin: i understand it's basically just the overwriting of that one file that happens? |
| 13:15.03 | nsadmin | I think so... but not at all sure. |
| 13:15.23 | linduxed | nsadmin: well i think ill just go with it |
| 13:15.34 | linduxed | i have no ethernet now anyway |
| 13:15.39 | linduxed | can't get worse |
| 13:15.49 | nsadmin | why not try inserting the module now to see if it works? |
| 13:16.26 | nsadmin | well whatever you think; it's your box |
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| 13:17.15 | mand | hi |
| 13:17.26 | mand | why does installing java require me to install dbus? |
| 13:18.00 | mand | i don't get this dependency... i need java on a server to run a few command line programs and dpkg says there are all kinds of dependencies to x libraries |
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| 13:19.21 | nsadmin | I guess it needs them to support the gui bindings |
| 13:19.54 | mand | can i force dpkg to ignore dependencies of a certain package? |
| 13:20.28 | nsadmin | never had to, never tried... you can look at dpkg --help to see what it can do |
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| 13:27.07 | nsadmin | oh, what you could do is look into the equivs package |
| 13:27.25 | nsadmin | somethign else I've never had to do, but it could help you |
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| 13:31.09 | nsadmin | on the other hand you could let it install the deps |
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| 13:31.52 | superjet_busy | mand: it's useless as apt will check it later |
| 13:32.47 | Nurbs | mand: the headless packages might help you: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=headless&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 13:33.21 | mand | Nurbs: ah, thanks a lot |
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| 13:33.36 | nsadmin | Nurbs: for java? |
| 13:35.17 | Nurbs | nsadmin: Yes. But I think the choices for headless JREs are more limited. |
| 13:36.47 | nsadmin | oh, ok... maybe it's about time to split the java package into everything but the lib, the part of the lib that doesn't require display, the part that does |
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| 13:37.49 | nettezzaumana | hi all |
| 13:37.51 | FredWP | Hey guys, quick server question, I want to know if there is a statistic program that I can run from terminal (that updates itself)? |
| 13:37.51 | mand | Nurbs: thanks a lot, now i can compress my JS files with yahoo's yuicompressor which is in java |
| 13:38.32 | FredWP | To keep track of CPU performance, bandwidth, etc... |
| 13:39.00 | nettezzaumana | where i can set in debian bonding devices configuration ?? interfaces(5) doesn't contains something related .. i am typical red-hat guy messing up with debian .. thanks |
| 13:39.24 | nsadmin | mand: just so you know, java is not javascript |
| 13:39.40 | nettezzaumana | this server has no access to internet and no repositories configured, so i cant use apt-cache search or whatever |
| 13:40.11 | mand | nsadmin: i'm aware of that... but it seems you don't know yuicompressor :) |
| 13:40.22 | nsadmin | true |
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| 13:40.51 | mand | it's a java program which compresses javascript |
| 13:41.08 | mastro | is it ok for an application to use 80% sys cpu time over only 10% of user time? |
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| 13:41.30 | mastro | i'm using debian and atop to see this informations |
| 13:42.15 | mand | is "mv" an atomic operation? |
| 13:42.28 | zinx | mand: "rename()" is, but mv may not be |
| 13:42.50 | zinx | that is, rename (2) |
| 13:43.09 | mand | zinx: ah, ok, i bet rename doesn't overwrite |
| 13:43.23 | zinx | also, how 'atomic' it is depends on the underlying filesystem/etc |
| 13:43.29 | mand | hmm, it has a switch for it |
| 13:43.34 | zinx | mand: it does not, but you can unlink first |
| 13:43.51 | zinx | rename the system call does not have any "switches" :D |
| 13:44.19 | mand | i'm using ext3 and i want to ensure that no apache process can access a generated file |
| 13:44.28 | mand | i mean while it is generated |
| 13:44.40 | mand | so i rename it afterwards, replacing the old generated file |
| 13:45.17 | zinx | oh, rename does replace |
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| 13:45.23 | zinx | oops :E |
| 13:45.54 | zinx | mand: looks like you want something that uses the rename system call - mv will, if certain conditions are met |
| 13:46.01 | zinx | (mainly, that it's on the same filesystem) |
| 13:46.38 | mand | ok, the fs is the same |
| 13:46.43 | markinfo | how to prove if some debian maintainer is still active and is doing something? For example this one: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=blade%40debian.org |
| 13:46.45 | mand | what conditions exactly? :) |
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| 13:47.02 | nsadmin | look at the source to see that |
| 13:47.42 | FredWP | Nobody can help me? What's a good terminal program to track statistics (CPU/bandwidth, etc...) that auto-refreshes? |
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| 13:48.11 | mand | nsadmin: i'm not sure if that is an option because i don't know the linux kernel and i don't even know if i had to look into the kernel's source |
| 13:48.30 | mand | nsadmin: i mean i don't know the programming side of it |
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| 13:54.46 | beeman_nl | hmm |
| 13:54.57 | beeman_nl | my audio stops working with the bigmem kernel, it seems :( |
| 13:55.08 | beeman_nl | fucking linux.... |
| 13:55.16 | zinx | uh |
| 13:55.18 | oggei | stick on windows |
| 13:55.27 | zinx | do you need the bigmem kernel? |
| 13:55.30 | beeman_nl | nothing to stick, been using linux for years oggei |
| 13:55.43 | beeman_nl | but it gets suckier each release, it seems |
| 13:56.02 | beeman_nl | zinx: i'd like to have my full memory available, as i did with ubuntu |
| 13:56.09 | oggei | you aren't capable to accomplish something, it seems |
| 13:56.09 | rxt0 | why not jump to 64bit? |
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| 13:57.05 | oggei | why not fill an extensive bug report if you find something broken ? |
| 13:57.12 | oggei | better to wait for someone else doing that, eh ? |
| 13:57.14 | zinx | (note: you can use a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit debian) |
| 13:57.23 | zinx | but use the 64-bit kernel included with 32-bit debian |
| 13:57.52 | oggei | so wait, you can still use 4gig as a shiny paperweight :D |
| 13:58.19 | zinx | 4GB should be supported with the standard Debian kernel... I think some accidentally left out that option, though :/ |
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| 13:59.11 | oggei | he have 8 |
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| 13:59.24 | rxt0 | that's why I use max 3GB C: |
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| 14:00.43 | zinx | beeman_nl: what processor are you using? |
| 14:01.02 | zinx | beeman_nl: grep model /proc/cpuinfo will tell you |
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| 14:03.57 | dokma | hey guys! how do i control which network interfaces are brought up on boot? |
| 14:04.20 | dokma | I just figure eth0 is conflicting with wlan0 so I wan't to make eth0 not go up on boot |
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| 14:04.54 | oggei | dokma: you use "auto" keyword in interfaces(5) |
| 14:05.12 | dokma | aaaahhh so that's it |
| 14:05.12 | dokma | thank you |
| 14:05.36 | dokma | is there a noauto oggei ? |
| 14:05.37 | oggei | anyway, it's quite strange as NIC doesn't conflict, although you can configure it to conflict |
| 14:06.03 | oggei | dokma: no, there is not use auto |
| 14:06.16 | dokma | well when I say conflit I mean I cannot connect to my desktop when eth0 is up and I'm on wireless |
| 14:06.19 | Letterbomb05 | Hi, I'm new to debian server and I'm having trouble installing some packages, everything I try with apt-get install returns "E: couldn't find package php5-cli" and aptitude install returns "command not found". Can anyone please help? |
| 14:06.28 | dokma | when I bring eth0 down I can ping desktop and router |
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| 14:07.01 | rvsjoen | dpkg squeeze |
| 14:07.02 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 14:07.13 | oggei | so you've probably configured two nics on the same lan segment |
| 14:07.26 | oggei | that's probably not what you want |
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| 14:08.03 | dokma | oggei I have a lap that can go online either wireless or by wire |
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| 14:08.23 | nsadmin | maybe it's trying to do both at once |
| 14:08.28 | dokma | so I figured I configure them the same and bring the one that is connected |
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| 14:08.49 | oggei | you will have to configure some automagic for having up right one |
| 14:09.22 | dokma | oggei, I just figured I'll leave the wlan0 up by default and when I'm on cable just do a manual switch |
| 14:09.27 | dokma | no need for perfectionism |
| 14:10.07 | oggei | ok, at least you're managing to have think working by default removing unneeded auto |
| 14:11.03 | dokma | oggei, exactly |
| 14:11.10 | dokma | it's just practical |
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| 14:11.47 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 14:11.50 | dokma | yeah it works now after /etc/init.d/networking restart I can ping router and desktop |
| 14:11.51 | rooisto47 | how can I get the hierarchy of a server (what is available to view of course)? |
| 14:12.02 | nsadmin | I mean, you do have ifup and ifdown, those are pretty simple already |
| 14:13.23 | Letterbomb05 | Hi, I'm new to debian server and I'm having trouble installing some packages, everything I try with apt-get install returns "E: couldn't find package php5-cli" and aptitude install returns "command not found". Can anyone please help? |
| 14:13.41 | nsadmin | rooisto47 this server is yours? |
| 14:14.53 | dokma | Letterbomb05, did you do apt-get update |
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| 14:15.16 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 14:15.20 | Letterbomb05 | dokma, no idea why, but I havn't. I'll do it now, that'll fix it. cheers. |
| 14:15.36 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05: try: apt-get install aptitude |
| 14:15.40 | gypsymauro | what's happened to debian weekly news? |
| 14:15.45 | dokma | Letterbomb05, have fun! |
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| 14:16.25 | rooisto47 | nsadmin: no we are just in the same network and I forget the exact urls to download what I need |
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| 14:21.02 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05: perhaps the reason you were getting command not found for aptitude, is it's not installed... |
| 14:21.10 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05: try: apt-get install aptitude |
| 14:21.30 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, i got it, cheers. I was assuming that it would already be installed, my bad. |
| 14:21.55 | nsadmin | oh, cool, so you're all set |
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| 14:24.20 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05, I have some curiousities... do you have a few momnents? |
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| 14:24.31 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, ok? |
| 14:25.10 | nsadmin | before you said you're new with debian servers... first I wanted to know what you'd like to accomplish with yours |
| 14:25.39 | Letterbomb05 | Ok, well I'm using it for website hosting. |
| 14:25.56 | nsadmin | aha, how's that going so far? |
| 14:26.18 | nsadmin | and is this a remote? |
| 14:26.38 | Letterbomb05 | Alright I suppose. I've been playing with web developing for years, I've just never had any experience in server management or anything of the sort. |
| 14:26.41 | Letterbomb05 | Yes it's remote. |
| 14:27.35 | nsadmin | ok, have you done much linux work? |
| 14:27.39 | oggei | another zombie in graveyard |
| 14:28.17 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, yeah desktop versions of linux. I first started playing with ubuntu about a year ago I guess. |
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| 14:28.46 | Letterbomb05 | One problem I find is that sometimes I use Linux more than others, so sometimes I forget things. |
| 14:29.15 | nsadmin | Oh, very cool... so it would seem you're pretty handy with the shell, and that's a very good thing for web dev |
| 14:29.27 | nsadmin | I'll offer a coupla tips... |
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| 14:29.48 | Letterbomb05 | ok |
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| 14:30.11 | remoteCTRL1 | hi guys! is this channel only accessible if youre logged in to nickserv? |
| 14:30.28 | beeman_nl | oggei: u suck :) |
| 14:30.33 | beeman_nl | thanks :) |
| 14:30.38 | oggei | beeman_nl: prrr |
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| 14:31.11 | nsadmin | I do web dev too, and there's at least one thing I like to use emacs for (once I find if vi can do this too, I'll try it) doing database brainstorming |
| 14:31.27 | nsadmin | (someone tell me if and how vi can do this) |
| 14:31.29 | themill | remoteCTRL1: at present, yes |
| 14:31.34 | beeman_nl | oggei: fyi, i filed the needed bug reports (and they are confirmed by others) |
| 14:31.47 | remoteCTRL1 | themill: has something weird happened? |
| 14:32.11 | beeman_nl | zinx: using the 64bit debian kernel with 32bit debian, will that work properly then? :) |
| 14:32.25 | nsadmin | so I start emacs, go into its shell mode (esc X shell <enter>) and then start the text database client |
| 14:32.39 | zinx | beeman_nl: yes, there is an "amd64" kernel in 32-bit debian that will work properly, if you have a compatible processor |
| 14:32.41 | themill | remoteCTRL1: freenode's had a rough couple of weeks. ircd-seven goes live on Saturday and will solve some of these problems straight away. |
| 14:32.53 | beeman_nl | model name: AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor |
| 14:33.00 | zinx | beeman_nl: definitely compatible |
| 14:33.01 | remoteCTRL1 | themill: good to know:) |
| 14:33.05 | beeman_nl | zinx: that is it, should be compatible :) |
| 14:33.06 | nsadmin | it's handy for a few different submodalities when I'm doing database work |
| 14:33.10 | beeman_nl | zinx: oke, i'll try that |
| 14:33.21 | beeman_nl | (and hope it will give me 8gb, sound, and video) |
| 14:33.25 | zinx | beeman_nl: search for linux image amd64 |
| 14:33.28 | remoteCTRL1 | ok guys my question is a little offtopic but as i dont know where else to ask i was hioping for your help: |
| 14:33.33 | nsadmin | when you ssh into the remote, you might want to do "unset DISPLAY" first |
| 14:33.41 | zinx | beeman_nl: what video card? |
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| 14:34.32 | beeman_nl | zinx: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8100 / nForce 720a] (rev a2) |
| 14:34.47 | beeman_nl | i got them running trough nvidia-installer |
| 14:34.47 | remoteCTRL1 | we have an apache webserver running on debian and it has a search implemented that uses google. that one of course does not work for the authentication only portions of the website, can somebody pls recommend me something to use for the internal portion of the page? |
| 14:35.01 | zinx | beeman_nl: not sure how well integrated the 64-bit kernel stuff is with 32-bit debian |
| 14:35.09 | nsadmin | beeman_nl: give him the same line but using lspci -nn |
| 14:35.22 | zinx | beeman_nl: you may have trouble getting nVidia's drivers working w/ an amd64 kernel on 32-bit debian :( |
| 14:35.32 | beeman_nl | nsadmin: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8100 / nForce 720a] [10de:084f] (rev a2) |
| 14:35.33 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, ok cheers I'll keep that in mind. One thing, I was just configuring phpmyadmin and once it completed it would seem it hasn't configured with apache properly (I did have the box checked when installing). I don't seem to have a phpmyadmin directory for accessing it. |
| 14:35.47 | beeman_nl | zinx: hmm oke, well i'll try that then :) |
| 14:36.02 | remoteCTRL1 | themill: (freakin haxx0r/script kiddies, pain in the ...) |
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| 14:37.23 | nsadmin | oh, hmm, I do mostly postgres work, I've seen the phppgadmin or the other nonphp one |
| 14:37.50 | Letterbomb05 | ignore that last nsadmin |
| 14:38.17 | nsadmin | I forget now... see, the reason I do the emacs thing sometimes is I do the database work text-only, so I can incorporate my findings into sql files |
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| 14:39.10 | rooisto47 | how can I get the hierarchy of a server (what is available to view of course, it's not my server but we're in the same network)? |
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| 14:39.35 | nsadmin | Letterbomb05, so I'm curious how you use phpmyadmin and what you do with the results of the sessions when it comes time to integrate them with the web app you'd be working with |
| 14:40.08 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, why would you want to know that? |
| 14:40.30 | nsadmin | maybe to see if there's a tool in there that I could harness |
| 14:41.33 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, I use phpmyadmin for standard database stuff... nothing special |
| 14:42.41 | nsadmin | ok, once you get queries that work in your app, do you have phpmyadmin show you the query and you cut/paste into a php script? |
| 14:43.28 | Letterbomb05 | nsadmin, sometimes, why do you want to know this stuff? its kinda random. |
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| 14:44.43 | nsadmin | well at first, I wanted to see if and how I could offer you a tip or two, but then it seemed to me that you're already successful where you need to be |
| 14:44.47 | nsadmin | so aftar that, |
| 14:45.29 | nsadmin | I wanted to see how you use phpmyadmin to see if there's something useful for me |
| 14:45.56 | Letterbomb05 | It doesn't really matter how you write your queries. Usually I just write them on the spot. |
| 14:46.16 | Letterbomb05 | It can be handy if your not sure how to write a query or the one you've written doesn't work how you want it to.. |
| 14:46.45 | Letterbomb05 | I'm off now anyway, cya |
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| 14:46.49 | nsadmin | thanks! |
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| 14:51.59 | beeman_nl | zinx: nvidia-installer did not like that config, but i now have the bigmem kernel running, with audio, nvidia, wifi and whatnot :) |
| 14:52.03 | beeman_nl | thanks for helping :) |
| 14:52.27 | beeman_nl | oh, one last thing that annoys me, there is a loud beeb when i shutdown the machine |
| 14:52.32 | beeman_nl | is there a way to disable that? |
| 14:52.48 | beeman_nl | i tried blacklisting the pcskr option but i guess that killed my complete sound |
| 14:54.03 | beeman_nl | oh and iceweasel doesn't do Google Suggestions when i use the upper left searchbox |
| 14:54.13 | beeman_nl | is that on purpose? |
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| 14:56.15 | beeman_nl | hmm i can disable the speaker through alsamixer, nice one :) |
| 14:56.47 | nsadmin | or unplug it :) |
| 14:58.22 | beeman_nl | the speakers sounds through my soundcard + speakers :) which makes it extra loud :) |
| 14:58.34 | beeman_nl | i like loud music, but no loud beeps ;) |
| 14:58.37 | nsadmin | ugh |
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| 14:59.57 | jez9999 | Does NetworkManager include a DHCP server? i could've sworn i saw some DHCP server functionality in it. if not, what's the best DHCP server to use with NetworkManager? |
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| 15:01.44 | beeman_nl | jez9999: i like to use dnsmasq as dhcp server, when in need one |
| 15:01.51 | oggei | jez9999: network manager is "intended only for the desktop use-case, and is not intended for usage on servers" |
| 15:01.57 | jez9999 | sigh. |
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| 15:02.18 | jez9999 | and there was me hoping it would be tying all the useful network functions together into a tidy package. |
| 15:02.32 | beeman_nl | that would be so nice, but no :( |
| 15:02.52 | beeman_nl | the only distro that has decent tools for that is suse |
| 15:02.58 | oggei | that wouldn't be nice at all, otherwise nm should also include a web browser, and a perhaps a mua |
| 15:02.59 | mand | zinx: btw, i've meanwhile found out that "mv" is atomic |
| 15:03.06 | mand | at least on linux |
| 15:03.40 | jez9999 | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4/ |
| 15:03.48 | jez9999 | ^ would seem to indicate some support for the idea |
| 15:03.48 | jez9999 | :-S |
| 15:04.04 | beeman_nl | it's not a weird idea at all |
| 15:04.16 | beeman_nl | i was amazed coming to debian desktop and having _no_ networkmanager |
| 15:04.23 | rooisto47 | how can I get the hierarchy of a server (what is available to view of course)? |
| 15:04.24 | beeman_nl | so i had to use the cli to configure my wifi |
| 15:04.37 | oggei | nice site, http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1 |
| 15:04.46 | oggei | you can always switch to ubuntu, eh |
| 15:05.02 | beeman_nl | oggei: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/511590 |
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| 15:05.10 | beeman_nl | that's why i'm trying debian right now |
| 15:05.18 | nsadmin | jez9999 one problem is network manager doesn't do anything with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:05.26 | beeman_nl | i'd love to 'just use ubuntu' :) |
| 15:05.47 | nsadmin | if it did, then it would make a good UI for setting up server or desktop |
| 15:06.03 | oggei | ah, beeman, you were serious about that |
| 15:06.06 | oggei | i understand |
| 15:06.24 | beeman_nl | oggei: i am, it's sad but true :) |
| 15:07.01 | oggei | i was thinking you were joking, following my post |
| 15:07.01 | beeman_nl | ubuntu runs on all my machines |
| 15:07.06 | beeman_nl | oggei: np |
| 15:07.19 | oggei | ah, not for me, at least <g> |
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| 15:08.06 | beeman_nl | but i have been messing for over 2 days with this machine now :) that's why i frustratlingly refered to u as something that creates a vacuum :P |
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| 15:10.22 | nsadmin | beeman_nl, wait, -all-? |
| 15:10.34 | l403 | Hi, I need to look something up in gnome terminal futher back than the buffer. is it logged to a file somewhere? |
| 15:10.53 | oggei | no |
| 15:10.59 | beeman_nl | nsadmin: except for this desktop (debian now) debian runs on the rest of my machines yeah |
| 15:11.00 | l403 | :-( |
| 15:11.03 | beeman_nl | euhm |
| 15:11.13 | beeman_nl | *ubuntu runs on the rest |
| 15:12.20 | nsadmin | l403 depends on what it is, basically if it's something that is logged, then yes... additionally, gnome terminal may have a setting for logging... but other than that, it's whether something other than gnome terminal logs it |
| 15:12.58 | l403 | make |
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| 15:13.35 | l403 | I'd expect it to have optional logging which I did not turn on |
| 15:13.58 | zxcvbnm | hey, is there a way to install fuse-utils/sshfs without root? |
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| 15:14.36 | nsadmin | l403 so you want the errors from a make? |
| 15:14.46 | oggei | zxcvbnm: not with package management tools |
| 15:15.59 | l403 | nsadmin, yep but from multiple compilations |
| 15:16.03 | zxcvbnm | oggei: is it possible to use fuse-utils without being root by just extracting the deb? |
| 15:16.13 | zxcvbnm | in to my home |
| 15:16.15 | nsadmin | run your make again (dont' run make clean) with this at the end: > make.log 2>&1 |
| 15:16.18 | l403 | make && make && ... |
| 15:16.30 | nsadmin | a kernel compile? |
| 15:16.42 | l403 | enlightenment libraries |
| 15:16.50 | oggei | zxcvbnm: i think it depends on what you have to do with it |
| 15:17.05 | nsadmin | so run it like this: |
| 15:17.36 | oggei | you can for sure manually extract a binary debian package somewhere, but with fuse and stuff it tends to be anyway useless |
| 15:18.09 | rooisto47 | how can I after creating an liveDebian.img chose the usb key partition to use (with dd) |
| 15:18.11 | nsadmin | (make ... && make ... && (more makes)) > make.log 2>&1 |
| 15:18.13 | l403 | btw those libraries seem to be very useful in other applications |
| 15:18.32 | zxcvbnm | oggei: isnt fuse-utils a kernel module, and if so I cant load it by being a user right? |
| 15:19.00 | oggei | zxcvbnm: apt-cache show fuse-utils, and read |
| 15:19.31 | l403 | nsadmin, that looks nice. what is that 2>&1 at the end? |
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| 15:19.49 | zxcvbnm | oggei: it seems it needs to be setuid which probably means its pointless, oh well |
| 15:19.51 | nsadmin | that tells it to join stderr to the redirect |
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| 15:19.57 | oggei | you will see that package provide a setuid binary, but you obviously can't setuid0 anything so ... |
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| 15:20.05 | l403 | ok, thenks a lot then |
| 15:20.39 | nsadmin | and ( ... ) means "spawn a subshell" |
| 15:20.44 | F15ch3r | nsadmin, my routing across subnets works fine now ! I simply hace to define the gateway for the subnet that I added |
| 15:21.15 | nsadmin | F15ch3r that works too :) |
| 15:21.19 | oggei | because your default gw is incorrectly configured |
| 15:21.29 | oggei | but yeah, good work :P |
| 15:22.15 | F15ch3r | the default gateway was the problem.. |
| 15:22.34 | F15ch3r | rotue add default 192.168.100.1 |
| 15:22.41 | F15ch3r | doesnt work for the other subnet |
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| 15:23.14 | oggei | so you're still a bit confused |
| 15:23.25 | F15ch3r | instead I have to simply make : route add -net 10.0.0.0/8 gw 192.168.100.1 eth0.5 |
| 15:23.38 | oggei | ok |
| 15:23.39 | l403 | nsadmin, do you think I should leave ./configure scripts there to be logged too although I think everything should be sattisfied |
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| 15:24.15 | F15ch3r | thanks a lot oggei and nsadmin |
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| 15:25.06 | nsadmin | if you run the configure script again, that will cause your make to do things it's already done... make clean would cause subsequent makes to do -everything- again, and make distclean would require you to run the configure script again |
| 15:25.38 | nsadmin | F15ch3r: glad it worked out |
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| 15:26.00 | F15ch3r | thank you |
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| 15:26.50 | Kobaz | i'm trying to completely refresh my apt lists... i've removed all the cached lists from /var/lib/apt/lists, and i do an apt-get update, and it ignores all the downloads... is there something wrong with the repositories? |
| 15:27.36 | Bnerd[TM] | hey, i've got a monitoring question that's slightly off-topic, but there's no general sysadmin channel: where do you get your mibs for your snmp monitoring (nagios, with active & passive checks)? specifically, i'm looking for MIBs for HPQ (iLO2) and Sun (ALOM) lights-out controllers... |
| 15:28.01 | oggei | normally, mibs are provided by vendors |
| 15:28.31 | oggei | any vendor that uses snmp take a branch on enterprise part of x500 tree and develop inside that |
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| 15:29.24 | mutante | Bnerd[TM]: i think you use "snmpwalk" to "walk" through the tree and get them |
| 15:29.47 | Bnerd[TM] | mutante: thanks, i'll try that |
| 15:29.53 | oggei | mibs are rosetta stone of query results |
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| 15:30.11 | oggei | but if you were intending "how to snmpwalk", then walk |
| 15:30.28 | Bnerd[TM] | mutante: but i also have the more general problem that some controllers, e.g. the iLO2, don't have a snmp stack to walk but can just send traps |
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| 15:30.49 | Bnerd[TM] | oggei: so i won't get anything but raw data on a walk? |
| 15:30.55 | oggei | you can still receive traps w/o mibs |
| 15:31.07 | oggei | the problem is how to interpret it |
| 15:31.14 | Bnerd[TM] | yes, but i won't necessarily know what's what |
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| 15:31.26 | oggei | that why you want vendor's mib |
| 15:31.31 | Bnerd[TM] | and anyway, i'm using snmptt to translate then and feed them to nagios via the passive check facility |
| 15:31.34 | Hideme | During install I had to go back and change my gateway address, upon reboot the server overwrite this to the old IP. What causes this? |
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| 15:31.49 | Bnerd[TM] | and snmptt does not relay "unknown" traps |
| 15:32.25 | Bnerd[TM] | oggei: exactly...but no luck finding any for ALOM and iLO and some of the others we found aren't that great (e.g. Areca RAID MIBs seem to be missing some traps...) |
| 15:32.48 | oggei | i'm pretty sure iLO does have it because i used a lot |
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| 15:33.09 | oggei | anyway you can contact your vendor and ask for it, as w/o mibs all snmp tricks make much less sense |
| 15:33.18 | mutante | Bnerd[TM]: hmmm... "There's a Windows SNMP agent extension for iLO2 on the SmartStart disks." ? |
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| 15:34.15 | oggei | mutante: do you know a snmp agent is the "server" part yes ? |
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| 15:35.16 | mutante | oggei: hmm..yes.. but it seems those tools from that "SmartStart disk" could help you on "how to interpret" ...shrug |
| 15:35.25 | mutante | Bnerd[TM]: looked at this one yet? http://www.monitoringexchange.org/inventory/Check-Plugins/Hardware/Server-%2528Manufacturer%2529/HP-%2528Compaq%2529/check_ilo2_health |
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| 15:35.33 | mutante | "No need for snmp " |
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| 15:36.36 | rooisto47 | i'm using a testing install can I generate a stable liveDebian.img and make it into my usb key ? |
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| 15:37.02 | mrayzenoss | anyone running Debian on a MacBook? Apparently the instructions require you to have OSX installed, and I don't have that |
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| 15:47.38 | rooisto47 | is there a liveDebian chan ? |
| 15:48.33 | g00dtimes | !live |
| 15:48.34 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ Note that the live-cd doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:50.21 | rooisto47 | g00dtimes: thanks |
| 15:50.23 | Phil4 | am I fairly safe to delete a broken kernel (as pushed out by Apt) from /boot/ to prevent it being booted in future? |
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| 15:51.12 | macrobat | Phil4: if the kernel is a pkg, you aptitude purge it |
| 15:51.59 | Phil4 | I use linux-image-2.6-686 which, as I understand it, is an alias package for the latest complete kernel package |
| 15:52.20 | Phil4 | will purging linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 not make it reinstall on a dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:54.30 | Phil4 | appears purging that package individually also purges the main linux-image-2.6-686 package and anything associated with it |
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| 15:57.11 | themill | Phil4: you'd be better off working out why the kernel doesn't work though. What's not working? |
| 15:57.13 | oggei | cause linux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage which depends on linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 15:57.26 | Phil4 | themill, it's the known bug with e100 driver |
| 15:57.42 | Phil4 | related to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494308 |
| 15:57.48 | themill | Phil4: can you just install the previous version of that package? |
| 15:58.00 | Phil4 | which package, themill? |
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| 15:58.05 | themill | (then aptitude forbid-version to avoid getting that kernel) |
| 15:58.18 | themill | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 is the problematic one for you. that's the actual kernel |
| 15:58.57 | Phil4 | yes |
| 15:59.04 | Phil4 | so how is best to remove it to stop it being booted? |
| 15:59.23 | Phil4 | short of commenting it out in menu.lst and hoping nothing updates it again |
| 15:59.29 | themill | Phil4: do you have some other working kernel there? the old 2.6. 30 or a custom compiled one? |
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| 16:00.18 | Phil4 | yes, themill |
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| 16:00.39 | Phil4 | booted into 2.6.30-2-686 by manually selecting it in grub now |
| 16:00.45 | Phil4 | which is fine |
| 16:00.57 | themill | well purging those packages should be fine then, but you'll then not get an automagic upgrade to the next 2.6.32 if you do so |
| 16:01.30 | Phil4 | on the assumption that the next 2.6.32 will fix the bug, what would you suggest? |
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| 16:04.03 | JordiGH | A long time ago, when hibernate and suspend weren't working properly, I modified a conf file somewhere to kill sound and networking on suspend and hibernate. Linux seems to have improved since then, and I would like to see how it works out if I remove that configuration, but I don't remember where I put it. |
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| 16:07.07 | goose | can someone help get me my wireless card and video card working? :/ I tried following this guide for my wireless: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci but it didn't get my anywhere (It's an atheros card) |
| 16:07.55 | p0g0_ | goose: what kernel are you running? uname -a will say. |
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| 16:08.57 | p0g0_ | goose: also what is the result of lspci -vv | grep Atheros |
| 16:09.05 | goose | pastebinning :) |
| 16:09.24 | p0g0_ | those are both 1 liners |
| 16:09.36 | goose | ah |
| 16:09.46 | goose | Linux goose-laptop 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:10.03 | goose | 07:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002a (rev 01) |
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| 16:11.32 | p0g0_ | goose: I expect you have an early copy of ath5k running. You need to choose between madwifi and ath5k. If you want to use ath5k, the easiest way to get that right is to upgrade the kernel (tho I think there may be some current bugs), if you choose madwifi, you'll need to blacklist ath5k. |
| 16:11.56 | p0g0_ | and then install and setup madwifi. |
| 16:12.02 | nsadmin | where are the dhcp leases stored on the client? |
| 16:12.40 | goose | p0g0_: madwifi will work for me. I *thought* that's what that guide was walking me through? |
| 16:13.08 | Bnerd[TM] | mutante: yes, i used that; and in doubt we'll do something with it, but if at all possible we'd like to do "real" snmp traps |
| 16:13.20 | p0g0_ | goose: I'd suggest you join #madwifi then. |
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| 16:13.29 | HackeMate | hello |
| 16:13.34 | Emery | is it ... unstable .. or testing .. that has the most upto date stuff ? |
| 16:13.34 | nsadmin | goose: p0g0_ might want to see the same lspci line but from lspci -nn |
| 16:13.48 | HackeMate | is there a wa to use wget to show directly the source instead saving it ? |
| 16:13.58 | goose | 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:002a] (rev 01) |
| 16:13.59 | p0g0_ | I wanted the -vv, fwiw |
| 16:14.01 | Phil4 | nsadmin, try /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases |
| 16:14.06 | goose | lol |
| 16:14.08 | nsadmin | thank you |
| 16:14.17 | p0g0_ | I didn't need the device (yet) |
| 16:14.22 | goose | p0g0_: could you help me find a guide for my video card? |
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| 16:14.31 | p0g0_ | goose: no |
| 16:14.35 | nsadmin | goose cool :) the extra thing is the pciid 168c:002a |
| 16:14.58 | goose | lol |
| 16:15.11 | goose | 1024x768 is killing me |
| 16:15.27 | nsadmin | disarm it |
| 16:15.35 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: the extra is the 168c, the 002a was listed |
| 16:16.15 | nsadmin | atheros, so that's a wireless? |
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| 16:18.24 | Emery | yes |
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| 16:19.02 | Bryanstein | Emery, you'd be better off using testing |
| 16:19.44 | Bryanstein | If you use unstable...you will generally run into issues which can leave your system in limbo unless you know how to fix them |
| 16:20.05 | p0g0_ | nsadmin: yes, it's common to all atheros cards, so the command I gave only yeilds for atheros cards. |
| 16:20.22 | Emery | Bryanstein, but which has the most upto date software ? |
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| 16:20.37 | Bryanstein | unstable...but its like too up to date |
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| 16:21.00 | Bryanstein | as in some things there are broken...and until they get fixed...you're screwed |
| 16:21.05 | Bryanstein | unless you build it yourself |
| 16:21.17 | Emery | how far is testing behind ? |
| 16:21.19 | Bryanstein | Testing is fresh enough and pretty stable at that |
| 16:21.39 | Emery | latest kernel ? |
| 16:21.50 | Bryanstein | not far at all...and it works like a champ...2.6.32-trunk is in there |
| 16:22.04 | Bryanstein | Emery, but you can ALWAYS grab a kernel from unstable |
| 16:22.07 | Bryanstein | but do you need it? |
| 16:22.13 | Bryanstein | lol most likely not |
| 16:22.25 | Bryanstein | if you are on say...lenny now... |
| 16:22.27 | Emery | i like my system as uptodate as i can get it |
| 16:22.41 | Bryanstein | Emery, why? |
| 16:22.50 | Emery | why not ? |
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| 16:23.02 | JordiGH | lol |
| 16:23.08 | Bryanstein | Because up to date means blinding upgrading generally |
| 16:23.29 | Bryanstein | which of course causes more problems than a system that is not so "up to date" |
| 16:23.31 | Emery | it's just something i've always done with linux |
| 16:23.44 | Bryanstein | Well it's something that you should rethink a little |
| 16:23.57 | Emery | is testing ok to put in sources.list |
| 16:24.02 | Emery | or do i need the proper name |
| 16:24.11 | pngwn | seems you'd know these answers if you've ALWAYS run on the bleeding edge |
| 16:24.16 | Bryanstein | nope put squeeze |
| 16:24.24 | Bryanstein | pngwn, lol |
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| 16:25.13 | Bryanstein | if you put testing...you'll keep grabbing newer and newer and newer packages and it'll be a mixmatch of crap before you know it...you'll bork your system |
| 16:25.19 | Bryanstein | better to use the release name |
| 16:25.38 | Bryanstein | then it won't mix this testing with the next testing...which will happen perpetually |
| 16:25.52 | Emery | yeah |
| 16:25.53 | Emery | i get it |
| 16:26.09 | Bryanstein | but Emery I'd install the kernel once you change the repo...update that to something aboue .30 |
| 16:26.24 | Bryanstein | or else you'll get ugly errors when udev tries to install |
| 16:26.28 | JordiGH | what |
| 16:26.37 | Bryanstein | who |
| 16:26.50 | JordiGH | Emery: Put the release name if you're happy with it once freeze time comes around. |
| 16:27.18 | JordiGH | Emery: If you track testing instead of squeeze, you'll suffer a brief but tolerable jolt after release time. |
| 16:27.29 | JordiGH | Emery: Other than that, Bryanstein isn't being very coherent. |
| 16:27.47 | Bryanstein | not coherent how? |
| 16:27.54 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: You lol too much. |
| 16:27.56 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: lol |
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| 16:28.27 | JordiGH | "newer and newer packages and it'l be a mixmatch" <-- more lols |
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| 16:29.28 | Bryanstein | so JordiGH you're saying that there won't be contention(especially with libraries) if you just keep testing in there and say do apt-get upgrades frequently? |
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| 16:30.15 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: It isn't stable, but it isn't unstable either. It's testing. Worse that will happen is that you'll get unstable packages that haven't had serious bugs filed against them for some time. |
| 16:30.37 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: Around freeze time, you're testing the next release candidate distro... |
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| 16:31.04 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: And after release time, if you keep tracking testing, there's a brief jolt as all the unstable packages that were being held by the freeze suddenly flood back into testing. |
| 16:31.11 | Bryanstein | JordiGH, this I know, but that still doesn't mean that you won't have library issues which is totally the case |
| 16:31.17 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: lol |
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| 16:32.01 | Bryanstein | This is no new phenomenon I've seen it happen quite a few times when those keep names like testing in the sources |
| 16:32.03 | deeb | hi |
| 16:32.10 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: lol |
| 16:32.39 | deeb | anyone? i have made nmap to my localhost and it shows opened ports which are not opened when i do nmap to with ip of the same machine . Anything i should check? i am lost |
| 16:35.01 | Bryanstein | JordiGH, I don't know what world you're living in but here on earth it happens to be a well known phenomenon which you can google yourself and read about...or lol to yourself and remain incoherent as you suggested I was |
| 16:35.12 | echa | deeb: the ports are open only on the internal interface and not on your out-facing interface |
| 16:35.41 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: Go get a Nobel prize for your googled phenemenon. |
| 16:35.48 | JordiGH | phenomenon |
| 16:35.56 | deeb | echa: what shoud make or go or read in order to change that? |
| 16:36.03 | Emery | Bryanstein, run into a problem with udev |
| 16:36.07 | Bryanstein | JordiGH, lol that made no sense |
| 16:36.10 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: lol |
| 16:36.28 | echa | deeb: why do you want to change that |
| 16:36.37 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: Worked for the photoelectric effect. You could totally do it for the "Debian testing library effect". |
| 16:36.38 | Bryanstein | Emery, read what the error says and just do it... touch the file |
| 16:37.00 | Emery | im scared :( |
| 16:37.10 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 16:37.13 | JordiGH | lol |
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| 16:37.40 | deeb | becouse i want to be able to access a service from outside, on port 8080 |
| 16:37.43 | Emery | it does it every time though |
| 16:37.50 | Emery | everytime i upgade |
| 16:37.54 | Emery | i get this udev error |
| 16:37.57 | Bryanstein | JordiGH, when I've seen something happen several times...I don't have to theorize what might occur after time...I know it |
| 16:38.09 | Bryanstein | Emery, read the error and it tells you to create a file |
| 16:38.26 | echa | deeb: if you mean you need to access 8080 on your computer from the internet, you need to learn how to set up port forwarding on your router |
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| 16:38.36 | JordiGH | Bryanstein: Enough lols, let's move on. |
| 16:38.58 | deeb | it's a dedicated virtual machine i have echa :) |
| 16:40.22 | SerajewelKS | deeb: what kind of virtual machine |
| 16:40.38 | deeb | jeee |
| 16:40.40 | deeb | forget |
| 16:40.56 | echa | deeb: you still need to do port forwarding |
| 16:41.06 | deeb | i just want to set up my virual server to have 8080 port available from the web |
| 16:41.19 | SerajewelKS | deeb: depending on how the virtual machine connects to the network, that changes what you need to configure |
| 16:41.25 | echa | deeb: are you using KVM, virtualbox, what? |
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| 16:41.45 | SerajewelKS | deeb: if it is masqueraded behind the virtual machine host box, then you have to forward to the host and then also forward from the host to the VM |
| 16:41.55 | deeb | i am explaining all wrong :( |
| 16:41.57 | deeb | sorry |
| 16:42.00 | echa | deeb: quite |
| 16:42.03 | SerajewelKS | deeb: if it is bridged onto your LAN with its own IP then you need to have your router forward it to the VM's IP |
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| 16:43.09 | deeb | i got a shell account which i am root. i have servers on the box. In that shell when i do nmap localhost i hav ports/services which aren't when i do nmap 134.13.11.22 |
| 16:43.21 | deeb | i don't know what makes this happen |
| 16:43.35 | SerajewelKS | deeb: because services can bind to a specific network interface |
| 16:43.49 | SerajewelKS | deeb: and a lot of services bind to 127.0.0.1 because they do not need to be externally accessible |
| 16:44.04 | deeb | ok. Where do i change that binidng rules? |
| 16:44.10 | echa | deeb: you don't |
| 16:44.13 | SerajewelKS | deeb: 'netstat -plnt' will show you the bound services |
| 16:44.13 | \amethyst | in the config files for those daemons |
| 16:44.20 | SerajewelKS | deeb: you have to change it per-service |
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| 16:44.36 | SerajewelKS | deeb: it's not something standardized, how you tell the service depends on the service |
| 16:44.37 | deeb | in this case is apache |
| 16:44.47 | SerajewelKS | deeb: then you need to change apache's configuration |
| 16:44.53 | deeb | jeeee |
| 16:44.56 | deeb | ;)))) |
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| 16:45.00 | deeb | so simple; |
| 16:45.05 | deeb | THANKYOU |
| 16:45.05 | \amethyst | look for Listen in /etc/apache2/* ... likely ports.conf in Debian |
| 16:45.07 | SerajewelKS | deeb: does 'netstat -plnt' show you that 8080 is bound to 127.0.0.1 only? |
| 16:45.14 | echa | deeb: if you are using debian the default apache setup is accessible from the external interface |
| 16:45.47 | deeb | SerajewelKS: it does |
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| 16:46.33 | deeb | i gota check ;) |
| 16:46.36 | deeb | than yo u |
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| 16:55.52 | ewet | hi, I want to use my wifi card to connect my android with the internet. I have set up the wifi card and set up hostap and dhcp3. Now I need to bridge wlan0 to eth0 right? (eth0 is where ppp0 is working with) |
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| 16:57.02 | filePeter | Hello Iâm on amd64 and like to compile gfortran code for i386 32bit⦠What to do? |
| 16:57.35 | zinx | g77? |
| 16:57.54 | jelly | filePeter: if everything else fails, debootstrap an i386 environment? |
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| 16:58.25 | zinx | oh hmm, no more g77 o-O |
| 16:59.02 | zinx | filePeter: try -m32, that's the gcc option for it |
| 16:59.06 | \amethyst | filePeter: you need gfortran-multilib, then you should be able to use -m32 |
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| 17:00.53 | OldParr | why if i "mount -w -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/wayuu/win" it mounts it on /home/wayuu/win but, read only ? |
| 17:00.54 | filePeter | \amethyst: Uh⦠Ok thx! |
| 17:01.20 | petemc | OldParr: you need to use ntfs-3g for rw |
| 17:01.40 | OldParr | is ntfs-3g a software? |
| 17:01.51 | JordiGH | OldParr: Is a bitstream a software? |
| 17:02.09 | JordiGH | OldParr: Also, in English, "software" is count noun. It doesn't have plurals nor does it take determiners. |
| 17:02.13 | SerajewelKS | OldParr: aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 17:02.35 | OldParr | thanks to all |
| 17:02.42 | OldParr | let's see what happens |
| 17:03.04 | JordiGH | Er, it's a mass noun. |
| 17:03.20 | JordiGH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_noun |
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| 17:07.05 | CuteAlien | hi! Can someone help me getting openoffice in debian-lenny to recognize another dictionary for spellcheck? I try to add german-dict, openoffice.org-l10n-de is installed, but that doesn't seem to give me any more selections. Any idea? |
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| 17:07.12 | OldParr | mkdir is unable to create a directory on /home/wayuu/win even after installing ntfs-3g and mount it with the command "mount -w -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/wayuu/win" |
| 17:08.12 | llutz | doesn't " ... -t ntfs" override ntfs-3g forcing kernel-ntfs? |
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| 17:09.20 | OldParr | llutz: is "mount -w -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /home/wayuu/win" instead of "mount -w -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /home/wayuu/win" ? |
| 17:09.59 | themill | CuteAlien: you might like to look at the package description of that package. "apt-cache show openoffice.org-l10n-de". Also, you might be interested in OOo3.1 from backports.org rather than OOo2.4 from lenny. (/msg dpkg backports.org) |
| 17:10.13 | llutz | OldParr: try it. |
| 17:11.14 | CuteAlien | themill, thanks, there is more info. I'll try that. |
| 17:11.22 | OldParr | llutz: "mount -w -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /home/wayuu/win", worked, thanks |
| 17:13.42 | CuteAlien | Nice, works now. I needed to install myspell-de-de :-) |
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| 17:17.36 | ehnde | i'm trying to set up my laptops wireless by following http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#KDE but knetworkmanager is not showing any available wireless networks |
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| 17:17.49 | ehnde | any guesses what i'm doing wrong? wlan0 comes up under ifconfig |
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| 17:18.07 | themill | ehnde: are you in the "netdev" group? |
| 17:18.21 | ehnde | i have no idea what that is, so i'm going to go with no |
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| 17:18.54 | themill | ehnde: check the output of "groups" |
| 17:19.12 | JordiGH | Guys, documentation is not software, amirite? |
| 17:19.39 | themill | JordiGH: please don't go there. |
| 17:20.00 | ehnde | tyler dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev scanner netdev bluetooth powerdev |
| 17:20.00 | zinx | JordiGH: sure, but packages are packages and copyrights are copyrights |
| 17:20.08 | ehnde | sorry for my stupidity, it appears that i am :) |
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| 17:20.31 | JordiGH | zinx: Well, Debian disagrees with you. |
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| 17:20.49 | zinx | JordiGH: i think you're misinterpreting something |
| 17:21.08 | zinx | JordiGH: without further explanation, i will not be able to help you find out what. |
| 17:21.38 | JordiGH | zinx: The GFDL is non-free because it violates Debian's free *software* guidelines. |
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| 17:21.42 | mrAZ | hello, i am looking for firmware for midi-usb swissonic 1x1 |
| 17:21.55 | Devastator | consolekit is broken again :( |
| 17:22.12 | themill | JordiGH, zinx: this is a poor topic of discussion for #debian. Please go read the mailing lists where this has been discussed many times before or take it to a /msg. |
| 17:22.18 | zinx | JordiGH: ah, i see, you're reading it as (Debian) ((Free Software) (Guidelines)). It is ((Debian Free Software) (Guidelines)) |
| 17:22.20 | themill | ehnde: no worries. That should mean that network-manager is happy to manage the network for you. |
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| 17:23.53 | JordiGH | zinx: No, hehehe, you don't get it. Debian forbade the GFDL from main precisely hinging on the argument that documentation is software (and according to some dictionaries, it is). |
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| 17:26.55 | filePeter | JordiGH: I hope it was⦠:-) Go if dfsg says it is! |
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| 17:29.19 | Devastator | how to backport a package that isn't in www.backports.org? |
| 17:29.25 | ehnde | is there any other explanation why knetworkmanager shows no available wireless networks? my other computers are connected to the "lesswire" network (essid is broadcasted) |
| 17:29.28 | themill | Devastator: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:29.46 | themill | ehnde: have you configured the wireless device in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:30.17 | ehnde | themill: no i must have missed that in the documentation |
| 17:30.33 | Devastator | themill, thanks! |
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| 17:30.51 | themill | ehnde: if you want to use networkmanager, then you need to *not* configure it in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:31.33 | ehnde | ah |
| 17:32.10 | ehnde | lo and behold, there is a "new connection" wizard in knetworkmanager that i had missed! |
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| 17:33.59 | ehnde | it works :) tyvm themill |
| 17:33.59 | lcb | hi. could you please tell me any "how to' prepare Debian standard installation to receive VirtualBox. I only need the first command line instructions to prepare the system in order to install afterwards VirtualBox. Afterwards i'll handle it. |
| 17:34.16 | themill | ehnde: you did it all yourself in the end :) |
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| 17:39.09 | ewet_ | am I missing something? http://pastebin.com/f337e15ca should make eth0 the gateway fot wlan0 or not? |
| 17:39.30 | pseubodot | lcb: you mean, how do you install virtualbox on debian? |
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| 17:39.57 | pseubodot | lcb: it should install from package, therefore you shouldn't have much to do. |
| 17:40.17 | lcb | pseubodot, after do a standard install i know there are some preparation to do it. |
| 17:40.17 | pseubodot | lcb: there is a conflict with the kvm, kvm_intel, and kvm_amd kernel modules |
| 17:40.30 | pseubodot | lcb: so all I had to do is to rmmod them |
| 17:40.56 | lcb | ok. i'll try. thanks |
| 17:41.11 | pseubodot | lcb: you mean, installing virtualbox on a debian host system, or installing debian as a *guest* inside virtualbox? |
| 17:41.47 | lcb | debian as a host. but i want a debian basic - standard installation |
| 17:42.33 | lcb | after installing vb i'll do a full install. but i want minimal installation on the host. |
| 17:43.26 | lcb | and i know it's necessary some instructions in order to prepare the system. |
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| 17:51.46 | lcb | pseubodot, what i need is this but i'm not sure if it's updated regarding latest releases. in this case is for vmware but i will install virtualbox -> http://indemnity83.com/my-basic-debian-install |
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| 17:53.03 | ewet_ | no ideas? |
| 17:53.29 | unfancy | not really |
| 17:54.18 | scyth | any ideas when will we see audacious-2.2 in debian testing? It's really a major improvement over audacious-2.1 and it's been released 2 months ago |
| 17:54.55 | unfancy | ewet_: all i use is this: |
| 17:54.56 | unfancy | iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:54.56 | unfancy | iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface bnep0 |
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| 17:55.14 | unfancy | and 4 lines of flushing the tables before that |
| 17:55.27 | unfancy | oh and the echo 1 that enables forwarding |
| 17:56.16 | unfancy | forward to bnep0 and masquerade eth0 as out-if |
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| 17:56.55 | oggei | i would study shorewall.net instead |
| 17:57.04 | oggei | using iptables this manner is tedious imo |
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| 17:57.53 | zorton | etch dosen't have IO::Compress::Gzip? |
| 17:57.59 | ewet_ | I somehow need a simple solution to use my eth0 interface as a gateway for any wlan0 traffic so my phone can use my desktop dsl-modem whem I'm at home.. |
| 17:59.43 | ewet_ | I've just set up dhcp just because a static ip for my phones wifi would be very unreliable.. this is slowly turning into a nightmare ;) |
| 17:59.44 | jelly | zorton: use apt-file to search for /IO/Compress/Gzip.pm |
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| 18:00.06 | zorton | jelly: k, let me give that a try |
| 18:00.25 | jelly | !tell zorton about apt-file |
| 18:00.41 | ewet_ | unfancy, eth1 is the gateway for bnep0 right? |
| 18:00.47 | ewet_ | doesn't work for me |
| 18:01.27 | unfancy | ewet_: yep.. this was for a bluetooth PAN |
| 18:01.30 | zorton | jelly: looks like it's not in etch |
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| 18:01.33 | zorton | bummer |
| 18:01.34 | unfancy | lol, wth |
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| 18:03.09 | ewet_ | I can open a connection with my phone.. it will ask for the phrase and it will connect -- now the only thing not working is actually having internet access :/ |
| 18:03.17 | unfancy | ewet_: http://www.howtoforge.com/nat_iptables |
| 18:03.37 | unfancy | it shouldn't be more difficult than those 2 lines, are you sure you flushed the tables before adding that? |
| 18:03.53 | zorrolero | ewet_: or install a proxyserver |
| 18:04.27 | ewet_ | unfancy, you've seen the script right? as far as I know I do. |
| 18:04.28 | unfancy | proxies get tiring soon :D |
| 18:06.10 | jelly | !tell zorton about dh-make-perl |
| 18:06.14 | unfancy | ewet_: yeah.. this script also looks like it's for a DENY_ALL polics |
| 18:06.19 | unfancy | policy* |
| 18:06.23 | unfancy | ewet_: do you have that? |
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| 18:16.01 | ewet_ | unfancy, where should that be? I cannot find it in the iptables man |
| 18:16.50 | unfancy | "deny all policy" |
| 18:16.56 | unfancy | /etc/hosts.deny |
| 18:16.57 | unfancy | ALL:ALL |
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| 18:17.41 | unfancy | but then you have to manually allow everything you want to do |
| 18:18.14 | jelly | zorton: if you have the necessary build dependencies installed, dh-make-perl --build --cpan Some::Module should give results |
| 18:18.18 | SerajewelKS | i thought hosts.deny was for software that used a specific library, not for the entire system |
| 18:18.38 | jelly | SerajewelKS: entire system? |
| 18:19.08 | ewet_ | hmm.. I think I'll postpone the gateway thing to tomorrow.. |
| 18:19.11 | SerajewelKS | jelly: e.g. setting hosts.deny will not affect all tcp services, for example |
| 18:19.28 | ewet_ | unfancy, but anyway even your 2 lines don't work.. |
| 18:19.35 | jelly | SerajewelKS: it will affect the services that a) use tcp_wrappers and b) match the rule |
| 18:20.13 | SerajewelKS | tcp_wrappers, that's the name i was trying to come up with |
| 18:20.34 | unfancy | ewet_: ...worked here iirc |
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| 18:20.44 | SerajewelKS | does anything still use tcp_wrappers? |
| 18:20.51 | ewet_ | unfancy, I don't question that :) |
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| 18:22.16 | themill | SerajewelKS: sure! lots of things will obey hosts.{allow,deny}. svnserve, sshd, portmap, openvpn, ... |
| 18:22.29 | nooper | sendmail |
| 18:22.40 | SerajewelKS | themill: interesting, i thought tcp_wrappers was considered legacy |
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| 18:23.24 | nooper | i use them with sshd all the time. easier to modify than iptables |
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| 18:25.37 | tuvwx | how do i change my default mail client (handling mailto: links) in a non-gnome environment? |
| 18:26.02 | tuvwx | is there an alternatives item for the email client? |
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| 18:26.37 | ewet_ | okay somethin for tomorrow.. thanks anyway unfancy |
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| 18:27.17 | dupondje | can somebody reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/391035 in debian ? |
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| 18:32.01 | paradoxmonkey | I'm trying to setup QoS on my linux gateway, wondershaper didn't cut it so I'm looking for alternatives. Ultimately I would like to have something along the lines of <http://smartsharesystems.com/en/teknologi/dynamic-quality-of-servicetm> |
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| 18:32.35 | soczol | does anyone know how to skip the 'There is no default gateway!' message when using debian-installer in combination with a preseed file? I've pretty much got everything automated now, except for the default gateway warning. If I say 'Yes' there (I want to continue) everything works fine. |
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| 18:36.09 | zorrolero | dupondje: wrong channel, /join #ubuntu |
| 18:37.05 | Tametomo | I'm running xfce, and had sound working before I changed motherboards. I was using a PCI soundcard, but now am trying to use the onboard sound. Pulseaudio plays back sounds for me, but some apps still use alsa to route sound through it, which doesn't work for me. |
| 18:39.01 | Tametomo | Basically, I'm trying to figure out exactly why alsa isn't working for me now. If I need to change the default card for audio output, then that's fine. Just that it's nonobvious to me at the moment how xfce would do that. |
| 18:39.09 | cahoot | Tametomo: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup#ALSAApplications |
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| 18:39.36 | Tametomo | Ah right, used to do that a while ago. |
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| 18:50.54 | Tametomo | Nope. That's not solving anything (although that probably would be the most ideal solution) |
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| 18:56.30 | tuvwx | how does debian set "mailto:" links handler? |
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| 18:58.16 | themill | tuvwx: debian doesn't. A desktop environment may have some standard setting that some of your applications pay attention to. Other applications have their own individual settings. |
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| 18:59.12 | ehnde | how do i install firefox on squeeze? |
| 18:59.34 | dupondje | zorrolero: no, just wanted to know if its also broken in debian |
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| 19:00.12 | OldParr | what are lenny-proposed-updates ?, are those updates stable? |
| 19:00.16 | themill | ehnde: "aptitude install iceweasel"; /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 19:00.31 | themill | dpkg: tell OldParr about proposed-updates |
| 19:00.31 | ehnde | interesting...thanks again themill |
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| 19:02.57 | zorrolero | dupondje: ok, did you search here: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ ?? |
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| 19:06.15 | cusco | hi |
| 19:06.19 | Fazer2 | hey, I installed Debian from netinstall (without graphical environment), I restarted and got Grub Error 15 |
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| 19:06.54 | cusco | if I am to move a file to a dir that doesn't exist, is there a flag that will create the directory? |
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| 19:07.18 | cusco | like: mv file /tmp/$datevariable/ |
| 19:07.26 | cusco | to create the $datevariable |
| 19:07.44 | ehnde | Fazer2: you need to update /boot/grub/menu.lst to reflect the right location of your root partition |
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| 19:09.30 | Fazer2 | ehnde: do I have to do that from some live cd? |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | cusco: you can test if it exists first, if it does not, use mkdir -p |
| 19:11.49 | ehnde | Fazer2: do you know if you are using grub v1 or v2? |
| 19:12.03 | Fazer2 | ehnde: 1 |
| 19:13.03 | ehnde | Fazer2: you can do it with a livecd, or you can do it from within the grub menu when your computer boots |
| 19:13.27 | Fazer2 | ehnde: the keyboard shortcut is E? |
| 19:13.35 | ehnde | e for edit yes :) |
| 19:14.29 | Fazer2 | ehnde: I'll check it |
| 19:14.43 | cusco | abrotman: like test -d /target; echo $? |
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| 19:24.00 | smhar | it has been a while since I last updated my DreamBox 7000. I have successfully sshed to it 2 days ago. but I can not remember the password today. is there a way? like history in debian where I entered the password or something |
| 19:24.46 | LuserN800 | I'm really missing a way to sort by date when browsing the repo.. |
| 19:24.54 | abrotman | !tell smhar about ifrp |
| 19:25.00 | abrotman | LuserN800: supposedly coming back |
| 19:25.21 | LuserN800 | oops it was for another chan. lol. also in debian? |
| 19:26.15 | echa | so how do i get my mouse cursor out of a kvm window? |
| 19:27.42 | smhar | abrotman, I am confused. how would rebooting the kernel of one computer allows me to 'remember' the password of my another one? |
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| 19:28.10 | abrotman | smhar: it doesn't .. use it on the broken one |
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| 19:51.44 | Devastator | what's wrong with this line? deb-src http://sft.if.usp.br/debian sid main contrib non-free |
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| 19:52.47 | Devastator | nevermind.. |
| 19:52.56 | Virtual | I love debian, did a clean install and setup only xorg core and gnome core and a few utilities and I only use 130 Mb of RAM :) |
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| 19:54.37 | mguy | Devastator: what was it? |
| 19:56.12 | Devastator | mguy forgot to put debian at the end of url |
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| 20:00.59 | fastPutty | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.32 | Devastator | is there a channel specific for backports? |
| 20:03.09 | cusco | hmmm... I have a script being called by a program.. the script is: http://paste.debian.net/57750/ |
| 20:03.12 | cusco | now it moves the file as I like, but doesn't chmod nor echoes.. |
| 20:03.17 | cusco | if I call it by hand it echoes.... |
| 20:03.19 | cusco | what can be wrong? |
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| 20:17.54 | SerajewelKS | cusco: the program that is calling the script is probably capturing its output |
| 20:20.29 | oggei | cusco: are logfile perms ok ? try with a new file in /tmp before |
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| 20:21.35 | becker_11 | Hello what is the latest version of IceCat please? |
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| 20:23.34 | oggei | becker_11: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
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| 20:24.21 | unitypunk | hey |
| 20:25.23 | silidan | hi, i have here an hama wlan usb stick, i remember it worked on ubuntu 9.04 or 9.10 live cd, but it doesnt seem to run here on debian? |
| 20:25.35 | becker_11 | oggei, thanks |
| 20:26.16 | cusco | oggei: that could be it actually, the program is not running as root. anyway I fixed it, the script was being called wrong.. thanks |
| 20:26.38 | becker_11 | just to confirm to use IceCat on ubuntu I'm going to have to download it? there isn't a repository?? |
| 20:26.56 | SerajewelKS | becker_11: this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 20:27.04 | oggei | just to confirm, eh |
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| 20:27.21 | silidan | my hama usb stick is listed in lsusb as: Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless Adapter i remember it ran on ubuntu live cd(9.04 or 9.10 im not sure which one exactly) but it doesnt run here on debian... any ideas what i coudl do? |
| 20:27.29 | SerajewelKS | becker_11: we do not support ubuntu in this channel |
| 20:27.39 | becker_11 | SerajewelKS, I realise that. Is IceCat available via repo or not?? |
| 20:27.48 | silidan | im not asking to get it running on ubuntu... i want it running on debian! |
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| 20:27.58 | SerajewelKS | ~versions icecat |
| 20:28.04 | silidan | (it already runs on ubuntu) |
| 20:28.05 | SerajewelKS | !versions icecat |
| 20:28.19 | silidan | oops wasnt directed at me... |
| 20:28.26 | oggei | silidan: you need firmware-ralink |
| 20:28.34 | SerajewelKS | becker_11: it is not in the debian repository. i cannot speak for the ubuntu repository, check with them. |
| 20:28.36 | silidan | oggei, thanks will try |
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| 20:29.33 | Devastator | is this the correct way to put the output on a file? "apt-get -b source iptables > output.txt" |
| 20:29.59 | SerajewelKS | Devastator: > redirects standard output, yes |
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| 20:30.07 | silidan | THANKS oggei that did the trick :) now im happy again :) |
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| 20:30.27 | myrradin | how do you pxe boot debian without using FAI ? |
| 20:30.42 | oggei | silidan: yeah :) |
| 20:30.53 | oggei | Devastator: you will also have to redirect stderr, eg. 2>&1 at the end |
| 20:31.21 | silidan | ok ill be off and lent the internet cable to the laptop to get that package too :) |
| 20:31.40 | Devastator | &> did the trick |
| 20:32.36 | oggei | don't think so |
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| 20:35.41 | cusco | hmmm... is tmpfs in RAM? |
| 20:35.46 | cusco | or must I use ramfs ? |
| 20:37.27 | niklaswe | wi.dow 4 |
| 20:37.36 | oggei | they are two ram based fs, with different qualities, man mount |
| 20:38.48 | cusco | thanks oggei. I will use tmpfs so I specify the size. |
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| 20:53.03 | axos88 | Hi! I am trying to run linux from a USB stick. It will be mostly up and running, so I wonder if it would a good idea to use some sort of flash filesystem on it (like JFFS2 or YAFFS2). If so which one would you recommand? |
| 20:53.25 | raz0 | Definitely. |
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| 20:54.56 | axos88 | yeah... well I just had a major filesystem crash, so I think this might have to do something with it :-s... which one would you recommand? |
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| 20:57.21 | p3rror | hello |
| 20:57.30 | p3rror | where can i find cairo-xlib ? |
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| 21:00.24 | xyan | p3rror: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:01.07 | p3rror | xyan, i need to compile freewins git://git.compiz-fusion.org/users/warlock/freewins |
| 21:01.17 | xyan | !tell p3rror -about apt-file |
| 21:01.28 | xyan | to make it short apt-file search cairo-xlib.h |
| 21:01.33 | xyan | tells me libcairo2-dev |
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| 21:04.40 | p3rror | yes that is |
| 21:04.44 | p3rror | thanks xyan |
| 21:04.47 | xyan | np |
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| 21:06.19 | xyan | ax-ax: if you run linux from a usb stick you most likely build a live linux system which most likely creates an root filesystem image and uses a ro fs like squashfs, no need for yaffs or jffs or whatever which usually is meant for embedded targets |
| 21:06.22 | xyan | argh |
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| 21:06.34 | xyan | ax-ax: nvm wrong tab completion, user gone |
| 21:06.35 | xyan | ;O |
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| 21:08.09 | silidan | well i still cant get my Ralink RT2501 Wlan adapter working. dmesg: phy0 -> rt2500usb_init_eeprom: Error - Invalid RT chipset detected. and phy0 -> rt2x00lib_probe_dev: Error - Failed to allocate device. nay ideas? |
| 21:09.11 | xyan | silidan: unsupported chipset? did you take a look at the interwebs to check if your device is supported? |
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| 21:09.23 | silidan | xyan: interwhat? |
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| 21:09.36 | erry | Hi |
| 21:09.38 | erry | So uh |
| 21:09.42 | erry | Grub brings error 15 |
| 21:09.47 | erry | imn trying to reinstall it atm |
| 21:09.51 | erry | but it says error while parsing number |
| 21:09.52 | silidan | xyan: and yes you can take this as a no |
| 21:09.56 | erry | i tried root (sd0,4) |
| 21:10.16 | xyan | erry: grub doesnt know about sd use hd |
| 21:10.24 | erry | xyan it says no such disk |
| 21:10.26 | silidan | xyan: i am only asking because i remember it working on a ubuntu live cd... |
| 21:10.39 | erry | xyan how do i find my disks name |
| 21:11.00 | subopt | How can i pass a list of patterns to grep (aside from `grep -f`)? I'd like to say something like `grep pat1 pat2 patN file` w/o catting the patterns to a file and doing `grep -f`. |
| 21:11.04 | erry | :( |
| 21:11.07 | xyan | erry: fire up grub (the grub shell) and try something like "find /boot/grub/stage1" |
| 21:11.11 | erry | it suggested i run upgrade-from-grub legacy |
| 21:11.20 | erry | xyan that doesnt exist |
| 21:11.23 | xyan | silidan: might be debians kernel which is too old? |
| 21:11.52 | xyan | erry: how many disks do you have, what command are you trying to reinstall it? |
| 21:12.09 | erry | xyan i have one hard disk |
| 21:12.19 | erry | xyan i have booted into ubuntu live and im doing root (hd0,4) |
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| 21:12.23 | erry | through grub |
| 21:12.42 | subopt | found grep -e . never mind |
| 21:12.42 | xyan | ok what does it say after issueing the root (hd0,4) ? |
| 21:13.00 | erry | xyan it says disk doesnt exist |
| 21:13.02 | smhar | I want to install a local development system to learn web development, therefore I need apache, mysql, php and phpmyadmin. just thinking about configuring all of them is scary. is there an easy way to do this? |
| 21:13.19 | xyan | erry: did you mount your root filesystem somewhere and chrooted into it? |
| 21:13.39 | erry | xyan oh |
| 21:14.30 | xyan | erry: what i usually do is "mount /dev/DEVWITHROOTFS /mnt" and "for i in dev proc sys ;do mount --rbind /$i /mnt/$i" and chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
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| 21:14.39 | erry | ok |
| 21:14.41 | erry | so what now? |
| 21:14.41 | xyan | so you end up on your exisiting installation |
| 21:14.52 | erry | ok im there |
| 21:14.53 | erry | now? |
| 21:14.58 | xyan | grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sda |
| 21:15.17 | xyan | and a update-grub afterwards |
| 21:15.18 | erry | ok |
| 21:15.23 | silidan | xyan: i doubt that the kernel is too old... |
| 21:15.26 | erry | No path or device is specified |
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| 21:15.59 | xyan | erry: typo? does /dev/sda exist? |
| 21:16.19 | erry | wait |
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| 21:16.24 | erry | apparently no? |
| 21:16.26 | erry | wtf |
| 21:16.42 | xyan | then the mount --rbind went wrong |
| 21:16.48 | erry | oh |
| 21:16.53 | erry | i was supposed to type all that? |
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| 21:17.18 | xyan | erry: uhm yes |
| 21:17.27 | erry | uh |
| 21:17.32 | erry | somethings wrong with the command |
| 21:17.41 | erry | i mean it brings > |
| 21:17.52 | xyan | oh sorry ofcourse |
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| 21:18.03 | erry | do i put a ; |
| 21:18.09 | xyan | for i in dev proc sys ;do mount --rbind /$i /mnt/$i ;done |
| 21:18.15 | erry | (btw ill never do what grub tells me to agian |
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| 21:18.51 | erry | can't find /dev/mnt/dev |
| 21:19.05 | xyan | silidan: did you check the usbid with lsusb and google to see if any one else got problems with the rt2501 device? |
| 21:19.14 | xyan | erry: hold on |
| 21:19.20 | erry | :( |
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| 21:19.23 | xyan | first you mount your root fs to /mnt |
| 21:19.31 | erry | how |
| 21:19.44 | xyan | mount /dev/sd?!? /mnt |
| 21:19.54 | xyan | where sd?!? is the partition with your rootfs |
| 21:20.07 | silidan | xyan how to check the usb id? |
| 21:20.18 | xyan | silidan: lsusb? |
| 21:20.23 | erry | do i do that in the changed root or the original? |
| 21:20.31 | silidan | xyan, you mean the text i already posted? |
| 21:20.51 | xyan | silidan: didn't see that sorry? |
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| 21:21.04 | silidan | xyan o that you mean ID 148f:2573 ? |
| 21:21.05 | xyan | erry: you cant chroot before you havent mounted the rootfs to /mnt |
| 21:21.14 | xyan | silidan: exactly |
| 21:21.30 | erry | can't find /dev/mnt/dev in /etc/fstab |
| 21:21.43 | erry | nvm |
| 21:21.47 | erry | ok done with that |
| 21:21.55 | xyan | ok now the for i in ... thing |
| 21:22.07 | erry | ok ive done that |
| 21:22.09 | erry | and chrooted |
| 21:22.10 | erry | now? |
| 21:22.21 | smhar | what is the package for php? |
| 21:22.22 | xyan | grub-install --no-floppy --recheck /dev/sda |
| 21:22.50 | smhar | and php-mysql |
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| 21:22.57 | erry | pl |
| 21:22.59 | erry | ok( |
| 21:23.08 | xyan | did it work? |
| 21:23.13 | erry | it says (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 21:23.25 | xyan | good then "update-grub" |
| 21:23.35 | erry | you're the boss |
| 21:23.37 | xyan | and "exit" the chroot |
| 21:23.40 | xyan | now |
| 21:23.46 | erry | can i keep my current menu.lst |
| 21:23.50 | erry | aww |
| 21:23.50 | xyan | for i in dev proc sys ;do umount -l /mnt/$i ;done |
| 21:23.53 | erry | oh well nvm |
| 21:24.00 | xyan | and umount -l /mnt |
| 21:24.16 | erry | is that -L |
| 21:24.18 | erry | or - ONE |
| 21:24.23 | smhar | ok.. it is php5 :-) |
| 21:24.24 | xyan | its L |
| 21:24.28 | erry | ;P |
| 21:24.34 | erry | not found |
| 21:24.42 | erry | what does it matter if i umount them |
| 21:24.44 | erry | im gonna reboot anyway right |
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| 21:24.46 | xyan | small "L" of course |
| 21:24.49 | xyan | erry: noooo |
| 21:24.49 | erry | i know |
| 21:24.55 | erry | it says /mnt/dev not found |
| 21:24.57 | edmont | hi |
| 21:24.59 | erry | -_- |
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| 21:25.08 | xyan | did you exit from the chroot yet? |
| 21:25.14 | erry | no |
| 21:25.21 | xyan | lol i told you to :) |
| 21:25.21 | erry | sorry im slow |
| 21:25.29 | erry | its too late in the night for my Brains to work |
| 21:25.38 | edmont | how can i know how many physical memory modules i have installed? (without opening the box, of course) |
| 21:25.44 | xyan | and please umount everything as i said, and issue a "sync" afterwards before rebooting |
| 21:25.58 | erry | done |
| 21:26.03 | smhar | my server is an old head-less pc, with very limited memory, 64mb. I do not want it to run these services all the time -apache, php, mysql, phpmyadmin. is there an easy way to run all of them only when I need them and then turn them off? |
| 21:26.24 | xyan | edmont: for example "dmidecode -t memory" |
| 21:26.40 | erry | ok im rebooting |
| 21:26.44 | erry | i hope it works |
| 21:26.45 | xyan | edmont: or use another tool like hwinfo --memory or something |
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| 21:26.56 | erry | or im moving to fedora |
| 21:27.00 | erry | xD |
| 21:27.01 | edmont | xyan: great, thanks |
| 21:27.13 | erry | xyan well theres a prob |
| 21:27.17 | krisfremen | erry: fedora sucks |
| 21:27.25 | xyan | erry: fedora wont make life easier for you |
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| 21:27.40 | erry | xyan ti doesnt show debian |
| 21:27.41 | erry | only ubuntu |
| 21:27.49 | erry | so you'll have to help me configure menu.lst |
| 21:28.03 | xyan | erry: no i will not, because google can help you |
| 21:28.13 | erry | xyan nevermind |
| 21:28.14 | xyan | erry: i dont know shit about your partition layout |
| 21:28.15 | erry | i can do it myse;f |
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| 21:28.23 | erry | ive done this before |
| 21:28.30 | xyan | of course you can, im sure. great |
| 21:29.15 | xyan | smhar: write a script that calls the init scripts for the services you want to start or stop at once? |
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| 21:30.22 | BleSS | after uninstall a package and to run a command of that package, why is going to looking for it in the path that it has already uninstalled? |
| 21:30.48 | BleSS | if it's called some command of the uninstalled package |
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| 21:31.14 | xyan | BleSS: what is going to look where? |
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| 21:32.29 | erry | Uhem |
| 21:32.33 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:32.45 | erry | xyan: /dev/sda4: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 21:32.52 | erry | fsck died with exit status 5 |
| 21:32.53 | erry | 4* |
| 21:32.58 | erry | failed (code 4) |
| 21:33.05 | BleSS | xyan: apt-get purge python-nose; nosetests => bash: /usr/bin/nosetests: No such file or directory |
| 21:33.08 | xyan | erry: ran the sync i told you? |
| 21:33.22 | erry | xyan yes |
| 21:34.19 | xyan | erry: well fsck /dev/sda4 then. without options! |
| 21:34.20 | erry | xyan i followed its advice and ran fsck manually |
| 21:34.27 | erry | that's what im doing |
| 21:34.30 | erry | it will take a while |
| 21:34.36 | erry | by the way |
| 21:34.41 | erry | im never updating ANYTHING agai |
| 21:34.44 | xyan | BleSS: did you manually create a symlink or something? |
| 21:34.47 | erry | sue me bout it. |
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| 21:35.54 | yskapell | hello guys |
| 21:35.56 | erry | *****FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED*********** |
| 21:36.01 | erry | *******REBOOT LINUX******** |
| 21:36.12 | xyan | erry: no need to paste that |
| 21:36.25 | erry | xyan im not pasting im typing |
| 21:36.27 | yskapell | I tryied to upgrade from stabel to testing and I got an error for udev |
| 21:36.37 | erry | xyan if i could paste into this chatbox i would be able to boot.. |
| 21:36.44 | erry | hi patrioti |
| 21:36.47 | erry | :] |
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| 21:36.55 | yskapell | I create the file kernel-upgrade with touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade |
| 21:37.11 | erry | ok it works fine now |
| 21:37.12 | erry | thanks |
| 21:37.15 | yskapell | What I have to do next in order not to break the system in reboot? |
| 21:37.22 | erry | yskapell kali tixi |
| 21:37.27 | yskapell | I did that because I could not do naything else. |
| 21:37.28 | erry | 'good luck'^ |
| 21:37.29 | erry | xD |
| 21:37.32 | erry | yeah |
| 21:37.36 | erry | bye now |
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| 21:38.06 | yskapell | well any idea? |
| 21:38.23 | xyan | yskapell: upgrading to squeeze or something? |
| 21:38.47 | bolt | Is there a way to reduce the maximum retry time of autossh? The manpage says, under "continued failures", that it will delay for up to 10 minutes. I want it to retry ever 1 minute in such situations. Is that doable without hacking together a script to poke it or modifying the source? |
| 21:38.50 | yskapell | xyan: yes |
| 21:38.58 | yskapell | upgrading to squeeze |
| 21:39.32 | xyan | yskapell: as far as i heard its a fairly bad idea at the moment since udev wants a newer kernel and you will break apt by upgrading |
| 21:39.58 | yskapell | xyan: It was the only way... |
| 21:40.07 | xyan | yskapell: the only way for what= |
| 21:40.20 | yskapell | for continuing the upgrading |
| 21:40.36 | yskapell | I tried a |
| 21:41.00 | xyan | so the upgrade finished then? |
| 21:41.04 | yskapell | I tried apt-get -i install linux-2.6.32... etc but it did not work |
| 21:41.22 | yskapell | -f* |
| 21:41.31 | xyan | pastebin the error message |
| 21:41.49 | yskapell | xyan: I am not in X |
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| 21:41.57 | xyan | !tell yskapell -about pastebinit |
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| 21:42.19 | yskapell | xyan: I am not in graphic mode any more |
| 21:42.25 | goose | good news, I got my wireless card working :) (Forgot I have an N, not a G. just needed to install ath9k >.<) Now I just need to figure out how to get my NVIDIA card working |
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| 21:42.55 | xyan | yskapell: you dont need to pastebinit works from the console |
| 21:43.03 | yskapell | ok ty |
| 21:43.10 | xyan | yskapell: i cant help you when i dont know about the error messages |
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| 21:43.47 | xyan | yskapell: other then that its a fairly bad idea to switch to testing if you have problems with solving the upgrade step yourself |
| 21:44.57 | yskapell | why is bad idea? |
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| 21:45.14 | matu | hi |
| 21:45.20 | xyan | yskapell: because its testings nature that you will end up with broken things that need to be fixed |
| 21:45.33 | matu | can i install debian on this ? http://cgi.ebay.ch/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380198800565&category=162507&sspagename=rvireg:1:1 |
| 21:45.38 | matu | i dont understand the page explaining it |
| 21:45.46 | matu | Apple Power Mac G4 Quicksilver, 800 MHz, 768 MB |
| 21:46.28 | xyan | matu: the g4 is a ppc and yes theres a ppc port of debian http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc |
| 21:47.22 | matu | does it mean i can install it on it because it is powerpc ? |
| 21:48.00 | matu | thank you |
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| 21:48.12 | matu | can i install a debian powerpc on every ppc xyan ? |
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| 21:48.24 | LuitvD | hi |
| 21:48.33 | xyan | matu: check the website theres a compatibility listing somewhere (i dont run ppc) |
| 21:48.51 | LuitvD | by coincidence (sarcastic) both Java and Go can't use sockets properly, it seems... |
| 21:48.52 | bolt | the ppc thingy works on a limited number of them |
| 21:48.56 | bolt | i have 2 that work, one that doesn't |
| 21:48.57 | LuitvD | on my Debian/testing system |
| 21:49.20 | matu | hi bolt |
| 21:49.29 | matu | can i help me please ? |
| 21:49.38 | bolt | you can help you any time you want |
| 21:49.39 | bolt | :) |
| 21:49.46 | matu | >< |
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| 21:50.11 | matu | http://www.debian.org/releases/3.0/powerpc/ch-hardware-req.fr.html |
| 21:50.13 | matu | here in french |
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| 21:51.06 | xyan | matu see the ports webpage, dig through the documentation it will tell you which hardware works and which doesnt |
| 21:51.27 | matu | it is in the like i gave you |
| 21:51.32 | matu | thank you |
| 21:52.11 | xyan | matu: thats outdated though |
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| 21:52.37 | matu | ah |
| 21:53.34 | caaok | hey, so I've recently attempted an upgrade from lenny to squeeze. After a few dependency hiccups after apt-get dist-upgrade things seem stable, however apt-get upgrade fails for me and I'm missing several key packages. I think it's in relation to the package udev 150-2, which seems to have issues with my kernel (rather outdated, 2.6.26.x). I was wondering if I should chance a kernel update (I've never done so before) or if there's an |
| 21:53.34 | caaok | other fix. |
| 21:53.39 | caaok | the error: http://pastie.org/private/xxjrrops3l1bcfkq4jxvkg |
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| 21:55.14 | caaok | I've tried looking for the error, as other people seem to have that problem, but there doesn't appear to be a solution. The author thinks he fixed it after 150-1 |
| 21:55.54 | xyan | matu: thats the current documentation for every supported ppc http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install |
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| 21:57.31 | xyan | capiira: it clearly tells you that "Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED |
| 21:57.34 | xyan | feature is disabled in the running kernel. |
| 21:58.02 | xyan | grep SYSFS_DEPRECATED /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:58.46 | xyan | your running kernel most likely has it enabled! don't reboot or your system will be arsed. you have to install a new kernel and follow the instructions otherwise your system wont boot |
| 21:58.48 | jelly-home | !udev squeeze |
| 21:58.48 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 21:59.04 | jelly-home | caaok: ^^ |
| 21:59.19 | caaok | so basically I do need to perform a kernel upgrade |
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| 22:00.21 | caaok | I'm a bit intimidated by the technical options that are presented to me when configuring the kernel though |
| 22:00.27 | caaok | I've already downloaded 2.6.32.6 |
| 22:00.43 | jelly-home | caaok: you could use a packaged one. |
| 22:01.04 | caaok | bear with me, I'm a bit of a linux noob :) Where would I find those? |
| 22:01.06 | matu | http://www.debian.org/releases/5.0/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en#id2722048 |
| 22:01.19 | caaok | I simply grabbed the source from kernel.org |
| 22:02.12 | xyan | caaok: your upgradeing to squeeze, and squueze has 2.6.32 |
| 22:02.34 | jelly-home | caaok: the same place you found lenny's default 2.6.26... debian repositories. What does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:02.45 | caaok | yes, but I simply tried upgrading by editing my sources.list and then using apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:02.56 | caaok | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 22:03.09 | xyan | the kernel will not be upgraded by a dist-upgrade right |
| 22:03.14 | caaok | ok |
| 22:03.19 | xyan | apt-cache search linux-image might be helpful |
| 22:04.02 | caaok | brings up a bunch of results, several trunk images for 2.6.32 |
| 22:04.14 | caaok | should I pastebin it? |
| 22:04.16 | xyan | no |
| 22:04.37 | xyan | you should know how to install a debian package if you attempt to go testing |
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| 22:04.48 | caaok | well normally I'd use apt-get |
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| 22:04.51 | caaok | or dpkg -i |
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| 22:05.33 | jelly-home | caaok: you could eg. download a linux-image-*-686 and install using dpkg, then |
| 22:05.42 | caaok | I'm just rather intimidated by the kernel upgrade since if it messes up |
| 22:05.48 | caaok | the machine won't boot |
| 22:06.06 | xyan | and if you don't the machine won't boot |
| 22:06.48 | caaok | so jelly-home, I'm looking at linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686, correct? |
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| 22:07.04 | caaok | nvm, there's also a apt-cache search linux-image |
| 22:07.19 | jelly-home | caaok: something like that, yes |
| 22:07.29 | jelly-home | oh, you should have been intimidated with installing testing in the first place, this is just a delayed warning |
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| 22:08.17 | caaok | well this server was created back when lenny *was* testing |
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| 22:09.14 | caaok | hmm |
| 22:09.14 | caaok | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:09.15 | caaok | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.15 | caaok | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 22:10.09 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 22:10.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 22:10.37 | neconide | SUP NIGGAZ AND HOEZ |
| 22:10.46 | jelly-home | !ops neconide |
| 22:10.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: neconide |
| 22:10.50 | neconide | WUT I DO |
| 22:10.57 | LoRez | neconide: you can leave now. |
| 22:11.04 | neconide | WHY |
| 22:11.05 | jelly-home | bin a gnaa troll, mon, bad mojo |
| 22:11.07 | neconide | I NEED HELP |
| 22:11.12 | JPT | no need to shout |
| 22:11.16 | caaok | sorry, figured 3 lines would be ok |
| 22:11.18 | LoRez | then turn off the capslock and stop attempting to be offensive. |
| 22:11.20 | neconide | HOW DO YOU SHOUT ON THE INTERNETS |
| 22:11.25 | JPT | capslock |
| 22:11.31 | JPT | big letters all time |
| 22:11.35 | neconide | BUT YOU TYPE, YOU DONT SPEAK |
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| 22:11.39 | caaok | any thoughts? |
| 22:11.46 | JPT | that's all |
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| 22:12.02 | jelly-home | caaok: there's a four line limit and you said "hmm" before that, also, not provided the complete output of the command |
| 22:13.11 | caaok | complete output: http://pastie.org/private/xangasq6iouktqqs5pjhjq |
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| 22:13.43 | jelly-home | LoRez: I live for the day the ops/staff kban on sight instead of doing the usual charade |
| 22:13.43 | xyan | caaok: No space left on device |
| 22:13.52 | caaok | it's got 17GB free |
| 22:13.59 | jelly-home | caaok: not on your /boot |
| 22:13.59 | xyan | what about your /boot ? |
| 22:14.06 | Armageddon | I need an application that mounts iso files into a virtual drive |
| 22:14.10 | LoRez | jelly-home: you're on the wrong network then. |
| 22:14.17 | caaok | no free space in /boot |
| 22:14.33 | petemc | Armageddon: mount -o loop foo.iso /mnt |
| 22:14.38 | jelly-home | too bad, eh |
| 22:15.16 | caaok | I sort of figured it'd automatically overwite the old boot files |
| 22:15.21 | caaok | apparently not |
| 22:15.23 | Armageddon | petemc, isn't there an application that does that ? |
| 22:15.43 | petemc | no idea |
| 22:15.46 | pseubodot | Armageddon: you could use an automounter for that |
| 22:15.52 | xyan | caaok: different filenames, nothing to overwrite heh |
| 22:15.53 | pseubodot | Armageddon: if your images are fixed. |
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| 22:15.59 | caaok | true that |
| 22:16.03 | Sacid | hi |
| 22:16.22 | Sacid | which package would i have to install to get the ip_conntrack module? |
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| 22:16.40 | xyan | caaok: by chance there are some .old or .bak files in /boot⦠|
| 22:16.46 | jelly-home | caaok: you could remove all but the currently running kernel package and the new one |
| 22:17.07 | caaok | will do |
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| 22:17.20 | xyan | Sacid: the ip_conntrack module is a kernel module not a installable package |
| 22:17.27 | Armageddon | pseubodot, there was gmount on Ubuntu but its not in the repos |
| 22:17.59 | Sacid | xyan: aye, i know...though it seems to not be compiled with the default debian kernel...or is it? |
| 22:18.21 | jelly-home | Sacid: it is. |
| 22:19.00 | xyan | Armageddon: theres fuseiso for cd images but thats commandline as well and mount -o loop does the job |
| 22:19.09 | Sacid | oh do'h...i was looking for ip_conntrack...obviously the module's name is nf_conntrack now |
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| 22:20.15 | pseubodot | Armageddon: 'autofs' |
| 22:20.24 | pseubodot | Armageddon: I've used it to automount ISOs before. |
| 22:20.37 | Armageddon | pseubodot, also command line ? |
| 22:20.37 | pseubodot | Armageddon: time to get old school |
| 22:20.43 | Armageddon | pseubodot, yes true |
| 22:20.58 | pseubodot | Armageddon: yes |
| 22:21.01 | pseubodot | Armageddon: CLI |
| 22:21.01 | Armageddon | I guess if I want to install a package that's terminal based I'd go for the old mount command |
| 22:21.16 | Armageddon | cause it does the job |
| 22:21.19 | pseubodot | Armageddon: see, the nice thing about the automounter is that it is transparent to the user |
| 22:21.23 | pseubodot | Armageddon: they want it, it comes up |
| 22:21.33 | pseubodot | Armageddon: set it up, then you don't have to worry about it any more. |
| 22:22.24 | pseubodot | Armageddon: it's not a frequent enough problem that someone's decided to write an app for it. |
| 22:22.34 | Armageddon | very helpful on a server, on a laptop not so much |
| 22:22.38 | Armageddon | but thanks a lot :) |
| 22:22.41 | pseubodot | s/app/gui app/ |
| 22:22.46 | pseubodot | Armageddon: why not? |
| 22:22.55 | Armageddon | cause I'm the only user |
| 22:23.03 | pseubodot | Armageddon: ... and? |
| 22:23.07 | Armageddon | there are no users |
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| 22:23.13 | Armageddon | I can just mount manually |
| 22:23.17 | Armageddon | :) |
| 22:23.19 | pseubodot | Armageddon: sure you can. |
| 22:23.25 | Armageddon | thanks a lot anyway all |
| 22:23.36 | pseubodot | Armageddon: but learning more about what you can do is a good idea generally. |
| 22:23.40 | pseubodot | Armageddon: if you're so inclined. |
| 22:23.53 | Armageddon | I am, but I dont really have the time now |
| 22:24.04 | Armageddon | cause I gotta run |
| 22:24.06 | Armageddon | later |
| 22:24.12 | Armageddon | and thanks again |
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| 22:27.31 | caaok | I don't seem to have the 2.6.32.6 files in my /boot |
| 22:27.54 | xyan | caaok: you didnt finish installing it |
| 22:28.20 | caaok | yes but now when I try installing it it complains those files aren't tehre |
| 22:28.35 | xyan | what "those files"? |
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| 22:29.03 | caaok | specifically /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 22:29.34 | caaok | also, /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 22:29.50 | xyan | reinstall the package |
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| 22:30.30 | caaok | attempting now |
| 22:30.42 | caaok | hmm, well no errors now |
| 22:30.44 | jelly-home | feels caaok has shot himeself in the foot |
| 22:31.08 | xyan | :-) |
| 22:31.26 | caaok | pfft, I refuse to give up |
| 22:31.29 | caaok | output: http://pastie.org/private/1cm3a8ooevmfnjc4ewdnaq |
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| 22:31.37 | caaok | uname -r still returns the old kernel though |
| 22:31.55 | jelly-home | not having an initrd for the current kernel doesn't sound too good if you have to boot it if the new one fails |
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| 22:32.49 | FredWP | Hi guys, I got a Debian VPS setup, and so far so good, but how do I make applications start at boot (I want vnc4server to always start on boot)? |
| 22:32.58 | FredWP | It's a base install. |
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| 22:34.16 | jelly-home | !tell FredWP -about init script |
| 22:34.19 | caaok | reinstall #2: here's the new output |
| 22:34.20 | caaok | http://pastie.org/private/jfmqwseqon2b4xuakefq |
| 22:34.22 | jelly-home | !tell FredWP -about rc.local |
| 22:34.26 | caaok | those links seem to be fixed |
| 22:35.02 | FredWP | rc.local, all I needed to know. :) |
| 22:35.03 | FredWP | Thanks. |
| 22:35.10 | caaok | I had removed some of the files to free space but luckily I kept them backed up ;) |
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| 22:35.37 | caaok | so it seems to have worked, no? |
| 22:35.54 | xyan | you dont need the 2.6.26 kernel anymore it wont boot with udev 150 anyway ;-) |
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| 22:36.08 | jelly-home | xyan: orly? |
| 22:36.13 | caaok | nope |
| 22:36.17 | caaok | that's the whole problem here |
| 22:36.21 | xyan | caaok: if grub is fine the vmlinuz & initrd file exist it should work |
| 22:36.45 | jelly-home | xyan: note... old initrd stil contains old udev bits. Should be bootable. |
| 22:36.48 | caaok | so I simply reboot and prey? |
| 22:36.50 | caaok | *pray |
| 22:37.54 | xyan | jelly-home: uhm i don't quite remember went through that SYSFS_DEPRECATED stuff a while ago. i think my desktop didnt boot. guess it was udev 146 |
| 22:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a tool for testing a disk for bad sectors in debian? |
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| 22:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (it's a pre-SMART disk) |
| 22:38.47 | xyan | theres badblocks from e2fsprogs |
| 22:38.49 | unfancy | CutMeOwnThroat: fsck with the -b flag iirc |
| 22:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | most of the disk is not ntfs, rest is reiser |
| 22:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfancy, hm, didn't think of fsck - can't find -b there either, though |
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| 22:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'll just plug it into a windows machine, then... (there's no fsck.ntfs either, for obvious reasons) |
| 22:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | scandisk \o/ |
| 22:41.17 | xyan | CutMeOwnThroat: badblocks doesnt care for the filesystem |
| 22:41.27 | xyan | CutMeOwnThroat: works on ntfs (at least the readonly test) |
| 22:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 22:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | fsck is filesystem-specific, though |
| 22:42.26 | caaok | caaok@hosted-by:~$ uname -r |
| 22:42.26 | caaok | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 22:42.34 | Armageddon | how do you unmount an iso ? |
| 22:42.35 | caaok | you guys are awesome, thanks for your help :D |
| 22:43.06 | xyan | Armageddon: same as before mount -o loop some.iso /some/mountpoint |
| 22:43.42 | jelly-home | Armageddon: umount /mount/point |
| 22:44.10 | xyan | oh misread that.. sorry |
| 22:44.13 | Armageddon | thanks |
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| 22:47.16 | caaok | thanks again, it's all working now |
| 22:47.17 | caaok | later |
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| 22:47.56 | pinkisntwell | what does the 'wd' that's sometimes next to job names in the jobs listing mean? |
| 22:48.24 | xand | jobs listing? |
| 22:48.55 | pinkisntwell | if you run jobs |
| 22:50.17 | prince_jammys | i'm guessing working directory |
| 22:50.30 | prince_jammys | s/guessing/now almost certain/ |
| 22:50.36 | pinkisntwell | prince_jammys: oh probably |
| 22:51.03 | pinkisntwell | but why doesn't it show it always? |
| 22:51.26 | pinkisntwell | and i'm pretty sure i've seen it not show the right working directory |
| 22:51.38 | prince_jammys | seems to show only when the wd is not your pwd |
| 22:52.05 | prince_jammys | sleep 15 & cd /etc; jobs |
| 22:52.16 | prince_jammys | then cd back and ''jobs'' |
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| 22:56.07 | Armageddon | my bluetooth doesn't work on the latest backport release of kernel, not bluez, will compiling the latest bluez fix it ? |
| 22:56.20 | pinkisntwell | prince_jammys: yes it only shows ~ when i don't start it from my home directory |
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| 22:56.46 | prince_jammys | pinkisntwell: yes, it seems to only show the working dir when it's different from your current PWD |
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| 22:58.15 | pinkisntwell | prince_jammys: but i'm telling you that it's showing the wrong working directory |
| 22:58.27 | prince_jammys | give me an example to try |
| 22:58.39 | matu | i am sorry but which software should i install to get able of launching flash videos on youtube ? |
| 22:58.44 | pinkisntwell | prince_jammys: anyway why isn't there any documentation for this |
| 22:58.54 | matu | i tried both gnash and swfdec, it just does not work |
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| 22:59.28 | themill | dpkg: tell matu about adobe flash |
| 22:59.48 | matu | it did not help me |
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| 23:00.53 | matu | thy |
| 23:00.55 | matu | thx |
| 23:01.33 | action09 | http://everythingsfine.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/debian-minimal-xorg/ |
| 23:01.51 | action09 | great link on no video drivers install .. search for this info for years :) |
| 23:02.58 | ShKoDrAnI | any1 here that can give me hand |
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| 23:04.53 | simonrvn | !give ShKoDrAnI a hand |
| 23:04.54 | dpkg | applauds for ShKoDrAnI |
| 23:06.20 | ShKoDrAnI | very helpful of you simonrvn |
| 23:06.31 | simonrvn | you're very welcome ;) |
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| 23:06.38 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 23:06.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 23:07.02 | ShKoDrAnI | thanks again for clearing that up also |
| 23:07.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any debian related channels for getting help with building deb packages from source to create a backport? |
| 23:07.23 | ShKoDrAnI | here we go again.. |
| 23:07.25 | ShKoDrAnI | hi everyone, having some problems with my Ethernet Card, i can't seem to Go on Administrator Mode to Enable my Ethernet Card..Use to work fine till few days ago..Any suggestions |
| 23:07.53 | simonrvn | administrator mode? |
| 23:07.56 | zleap | is it listed when you run lspici |
| 23:07.58 | ShKoDrAnI | yes |
| 23:08.01 | simonrvn | tried ifup eth0 |
| 23:08.04 | simonrvn | ? |
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| 23:08.05 | matu | "worked" with no sound |
| 23:08.14 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: "/msg dpkg ssb" for a start. |
| 23:08.17 | ShKoDrAnI | simonrvn: did so |
| 23:08.34 | ShKoDrAnI | not getting much from that either |
| 23:09.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Thanks for posting that for the millionth time. |
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| 23:09.41 | goose | what's the package that allows you to tar/untar .bz2? Apparently I don't have it... |
| 23:09.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | file roller |
| 23:10.01 | Armageddon | why can't I connect to a wireless and ethernet networks at the same time ? I should choose either wireless or ethernet ? |
| 23:10.38 | simonrvn | goose: bzip2 |
| 23:10.51 | amphi | goose: bzip2 |
| 23:10.55 | goose | thank you both :) |
| 23:10.59 | simonrvn | LinuxGuy2009: file-roller still needs bzip2 to do that ... |
| 23:11.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | simonrvn: yep |
| 23:11.37 | simonrvn | *not getting it* |
| 23:11.49 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
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| 23:13.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | I know what the package dependencies are for ubuntu and fedora builds of handbrake. But Im just not sure if the version numbers are the absolute minimum it has to have to run. Im not sure how to find out either. |
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| 23:17.02 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: unless you want to go through the source in detail to find out, "try it and see" is as good as it gets. |
| 23:17.06 | goose | eh..any idea why I get this error when trying to configure cairo-dock? http://pastebin.com/m8300cc0 |
| 23:18.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Im wondering if I just run the program from the menu after install and just check everything and make sure it all works then I would know if the version nummers of packages found in Lenny are new enough to let it run. Or if there not I wonder if the program would recognize that and throw an error to let me know. |
| 23:19.33 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: when making the backport, it would normally fail to compile correctly if the libraries present were too old. |
| 23:19.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Ah ok. Hmm. |
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| 23:20.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Ok so as long as it finds all source packages in the repos for lenny, to let it build, then that means that they all should be high enough version then? |
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| 23:23.05 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: does 0.9.3 really offer great advancements of 0.9.4 to warrant this? |
| 23:23.20 | themill | (err, other way around, but whatever) |
| 23:23.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Has some new features, but Im mostly using it as an excuse to learn to build deb packages when i need to. |
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| 23:24.35 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: fair enough. You may as well start with Marilatt's work from dmm and then uupdate with the new source tarball. (just running uscan may actually be enough). |
| 23:25.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: hehe lost me on that one. |
| 23:25.50 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: "/msg dpkg uupdate" for a summary. |
| 23:26.36 | Sacid | how can i tell dhcp3 to only serve on one ethernet adapter? |
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| 23:27.15 | jelly-home | Sacid: read /etc/deafult/dhcp3-server |
| 23:28.04 | Sacid | jelly-home: ahh, thanks...thought it was some config file option :) |
| 23:28.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Ok so now that I know if the build fails then the required libraries etc arent new enough for it. The biggest thing Im wondering now is if I didnt have an Ubuntu deb package to look at the control file to see the list of install deps, how in the world would I even know what they were on my own. |
| 23:29.15 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: you have to go through the source and the documentation for it. A good upstream will tell you because they have already done this themselves. |
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| 23:31.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Strange. Ive actually downloaded some source packages from packages.debian.org like gcalctool, brasero to name a few and I see that they list the install deps right on each page so the work is all done for you on those like if I was gonna backport something from the squeeze repos for lenny that makes seeing the list of deps very easy to do. If I get my source package from a third party website Im kinda on my own arent I? |
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| 23:33.34 | \amethyst | the source package lists the build-depends. The install-time dependencies are listed in debian/control, though some may be automatically generated by dpkg-shlibdeps |
| 23:33.42 | \amethyst | s/source package/.dsc/ |
| 23:34.05 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: yes. The versioned build-deps listed for the source packages can sometimes be inaccurate on the basis that no-one has ever tried to build the package with an older version of the library, however. Ideally they're accurate to make life easier for backporters, but since the releases are supposed to be self-hosting, they are often of secondary interest. |
| 23:34.54 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: Note that the versioning on the build-deps and on the run-time (install-time) deps can be different and is usually generated in different ways. |
| 23:35.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | \amethyst: Right I saw that some have a documentation folder like handbrake source does that lists the build deps. But I mean like it doesnt list the install deps so i cant tell checkinstall what they are so it can add that to my control file in the deb package. |
| 23:36.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Hmm ok you seem knowledgeable about this. |
| 23:36.24 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: if you want to learn how to do this properly, put aside checkinstall and read the new maintainer's guide and some other developer's documentation: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 23:37.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Yeah I read the new maintainers guide and quit after it came to section 6 where it said to run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and it throws an error about not finding a changelog file. Know what that means or what i did wrong? |
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| 23:38.28 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: probably you don't have a debian/changelog ... dh-make would have made one for you if you used that to start with. dch can be used to create one from scratch. |
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| 23:39.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Was dh-make in the instructions in there somewhere and I missed that you think? I just did ./configure, make, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. And got stuck. dh-make is where I missed? |
| 23:41.20 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: dpkg-buildpackage will run the rules you define in debian/rules (which is a makefile) and they should run ./configure; make; make install (with appropriate options) for you. |
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| 23:42.59 | careta | hey guys |
| 23:43.16 | careta | how can I apply several patches at the same time? they are divided in 40 files and I don't want to type all that |
| 23:43.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Which is great I have done that in the past. Cant remeber if the install deps are fed to the apt system or not. I might have to go back and redo that with just the make install and check in synaptic if the install deps are listed for it. If it is then I can just go back in my build folder and rebuild with checkinstall and just feed it the dep info. That would be an easy workaround. |
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| 23:44.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: I was just trying to take that a step further and get an actual deb package out of it. |
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| 23:45.37 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: right, so you need a sane debian/rules to do these things for you and then dpkg-bp can build the package for you. You'd do better to grab the dmm package for handbrake (/msg dpkg dmm) and use that as an example to see how it works. |
| 23:46.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Do you think if I would have just did the dh-make would that have gotten me through the dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot portion of the new maintainers guide? |
| 23:48.02 | themill | you'll get something out of it... it might not have the right dependencies to build in a clean environment and the files might not be in the right places in the .deb, but you'll get something out of it... |
| 23:49.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Ok I think Im gonna do some more reading and keep in mind what youve shared with me. I REALLY appreciate your time and effort to help me! Thanks so much. |
| 23:50.01 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: no worries. Learning by example from the packages that are already out there is a good plan. |
| 23:50.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Right on! I was thinking the same thing. |
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