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| 00:04.23 | Sacid | is nfs an encrypted filesystem? |
| 00:05.19 | petemc | the n stands for network |
| 00:06.22 | nsadmin | not n-crypted?! |
| 00:06.30 | Sacid | that wasn't my question...my question was if it is encrypted or if it sends the files unencrypted through the network |
| 00:06.31 | petemc | heh |
| 00:06.52 | nsadmin | no, I believe it's all sent in the clear |
| 00:07.04 | nevyn | Sacid: all in the clear. |
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| 00:08.09 | Sacid | are there other network file systems which are encrypted? |
| 00:08.32 | prince_jammys | sshfs is one. |
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| 00:09.47 | nevyn | Sacid: your best bet is encrypting the transport and running a standard network file transfer protocol on top of that. |
| 00:09.51 | Goten_ | is there any virtualbox user here? I've aa issue with usb, I can't see any usb-device on virtual box. (i've tried many solution from the web with no success) |
| 00:10.01 | Shizuo | Debian: Reliable or Outdated? |
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| 00:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I never realized that! ncrypted file system! doh! |
| 00:10.41 | Goten_ | testing (up to date) |
| 00:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sacid, sshfs ,as prince_jammys said... it's mostly kind of single-user, though |
| 00:11.43 | myrradin | Goten_: which version of virtualbox? OSE or not OSE |
| 00:12.05 | Goten_ | sorry, ose |
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| 00:12.24 | Goten_ | 3.1.2 |
| 00:12.28 | Goten_ | (from repo) |
| 00:12.31 | Shizuo | I guess outdated? |
| 00:12.39 | themill | Shizuo: please troll elsewhere. |
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| 00:12.46 | Shizuo | Why? |
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| 00:12.59 | Goten_ | too bad... 3.1.2 is the last version |
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| 00:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that was a reason... |
| 00:14.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so I did the dh_make and it made the debian folder and the changelog and stuff that worked. Now its going through and looking for installed build deps. I manually installed a few with synaptic but theres a few I have no clue where there from, they are lipo, xcodebuild. Any ideas? |
| 00:15.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | Or actually dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot this is the step im on in the new maintainers guide. |
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| 00:16.30 | AlHafoudh | hi guys |
| 00:16.39 | AlHafoudh | how can I setup different keyboard layout in wine ? |
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| 00:22.39 | jetole | hey guys, I am not a package developer not have I ever done it but I am trying to understand the configuration flags from debian/confflags and am having a hard time with it (I am going to recompile this same package but from the latest svn). Is there an easy way to see what the final configure flags are? |
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| 00:22.52 | jetole | s/not have I/nor have I/ |
| 00:23.33 | myrradin | Goten_: I think you need to use the non OSE version for USB support |
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| 00:25.18 | Goten_ | ah yes... |
| 00:25.30 | Goten_ | it seems so... |
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| 00:26.21 | Goten_ | my bad, stupid mistake. |
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| 00:30.14 | rgr | Goten_: and even with USB support dont try to sync something like a blackberry ;) It doesnt work. |
| 00:31.57 | Goten_ | no it was just for a usb storage |
| 00:33.00 | Goten_ | I've just installed vbox PUEL and usb works. Thanks for the help |
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| 00:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetole, I think most packages don't have debian/confflags... I've never seen it at least |
| 00:42.57 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:46.32 | goose | how can I disable gnome-panel? I don't see it in startup sessions |
| 00:46.51 | FredWP | For some reason the commands in /etc/rc.local are not being executed on boot. I've inserted vnc4server and on a new line, aptitude full-upgrade -y, VNC Server does not start on boot. |
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| 00:48.15 | Devastator | I'm trying to backport iptables 1.4.6 for lenny, but libtool gives me "command not found" and "unknown tag", does anybody here mess with backporting? |
| 00:49.12 | FredWP | Nobody? |
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| 00:55.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im trying yet again with some more knowledge gained. I need to change the source code package of "HandBrake-0.9.4.tar.bz2" to end in .orig.tar.bz2 whats the command to do that? |
| 00:55.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | Cause dh_make needs it that way so i can debianize it. |
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| 00:56.11 | petemc | mv HandBrake-0.9.4.tar.bz2 HandBrake-0.9.4.orig.tar.bz2 |
| 00:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, gorn |
| 00:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | they always do that... |
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| 00:59.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | FredWP inserted them after the "exit 0" |
| 00:59.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | for sure! |
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| 01:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, how do you try to backport it? |
| 01:03.17 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 01:03.34 | nsadmin | iceweasel/firefox 3.5 in lenny? or for lenny? |
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| 01:04.46 | nsadmin | I'm actually running xen right now, so I -could- install a squeeze... |
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| 01:07.28 | tking | I don't think so nsadmin |
| 01:07.29 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat any tips? |
| 01:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, looks like the libtool script is called with different arguments then it would in testing... |
| 01:07.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ./libtool: line 827: X--tag=CC: command not found |
| 01:07.45 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat exactly |
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| 01:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, compare to what happens when building the iptables for stable? |
| 01:11.57 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat erm.. how do I do that? |
| 01:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, was just an idea |
| 01:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you run it, you see ./libtool is called as /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c 'libxtables.la' '/tmp/ip/iptables-1.4.2/debian/build/debian/tmp/lib/libxtables.la' |
| 01:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
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| 01:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder what calls it |
| 01:13.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have a testing system around to see if it builds properly there? |
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| 01:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously, under SOME circumstances it must build properly, else it wouldn't have made it into unstable |
| 01:14.34 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat not here :( |
| 01:14.40 | Devastator | only at work.. |
| 01:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have a testing system around? |
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| 01:15.27 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat not right now |
| 01:15.31 | Devastator | tomorrow.. |
| 01:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can of course always fill a bug-report against the source package |
| 01:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 01:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=512424 |
| 01:16.09 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat as I'm a newbie, bug is unlikely |
| 01:16.10 | goose | I need some general help mounting my windows partition..I've got it set up under /etc/fstab, with options "auto,user,exec,rw,async" and mounted to /media/windows/, but anytime I try and open it (as local user) I get permission denied |
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| 01:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, looks like you don't need to overly bother |
| 01:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, lenny does have debhelper 7.x, though |
| 01:18.32 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat oh... and I'm using lenny |
| 01:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, so it's not that bug |
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| 01:19.02 | Devastator | bummer.. |
| 01:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | testing/unstable has 7.4.11, bpo has 7.2.6~bpo50+1 |
| 01:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just get the feeling you won't feel too much love for a failed backport from the maintainer |
| 01:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea why |
| 01:19.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell goose -about ntfs-3g |
| 01:20.08 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat I know why.. I saw the response for the other bug |
| 01:20.14 | Devastator | he doesn't like backport.. |
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| 01:24.14 | FredWP | Ugh, the commands in my rc.local won't execute. :( |
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| 01:26.15 | axos88 | Hello! I am running lenny from a USB stick. (It's mostly up and running, it's an embedded computer) I just had a filesystem crash, and I think it might have to do with flash failiure. I wonder if it's worth putting some kind of flash-filesystem on the USB stick (like JFFS, or YAFFS). If so which one would you recommand? |
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| 01:27.52 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat do you know how to copy a line with nano? |
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| 01:28.20 | oggei | axos88: it's usually more interesting to read a pair of tech blog rather than asking every 4 hours or so on irc about a choice like that |
| 01:28.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, sorry, talked with you in #d-ot without noticing |
| 01:28.57 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat I saw it.. netfilter dev told me to use autoreconf -fi before libtool |
| 01:29.05 | axos88 | just thought you guys could give me a pointer at least. I'm not such a linux savant person |
| 01:29.16 | Devastator | but how to copy that line? |
| 01:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | just copy it? |
| 01:29.59 | Devastator | yep |
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| 01:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | axos88, do those filesystems work on an usb stick? |
| 01:30.45 | axos88 | no idea... I just thought they were for flash so.... |
| 01:30.50 | oggei | axos88: well you seem enough skilled to understand that a choice like that depends on various factors, so either provide more details or read for yourself |
| 01:31.25 | phlux | Guys, I've got a Debian server out there, and out of nowhere, it just stops delivering mail after a couple of days. I can't find any useful information in /var/log/mail.err, mail.info, or mail.warn. Any ideas why this might be? |
| 01:32.14 | phlux | As soon as I reboot the servers, the mail starts flowing. |
| 01:32.16 | axos88 | well... I have an embedded linux computer. 512MB MTD flash, 128 MB RAM, and ARM processor @ 500MHz. I do not want to use the internal flash for logging and stuff like that becasue I do not want to wear it out. So I used a USB stick with ext2 until now. I just had a major filesystem crash, so I am investigating my possibilities |
| 01:32.30 | axos88 | I heard about jffs and the like that would be for flash, and they mitigate flash wear out |
| 01:32.49 | axos88 | the computer is mostly up and running with http,php,mysql and svn server |
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| 01:33.31 | axos88 | that's all the details I can think of |
| 01:33.39 | axos88 | that would be interesting in this situation |
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| 01:34.25 | tking | so how would debian GNU+Linux fit in with a cyberpunk future |
| 01:34.37 | phlux | Meh.. a swap of the server's os will probably fix it. |
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| 01:34.44 | oggei | here you can find a list, the only embedded thing i'm using with a flash filesystem is a set top box from neurostechnology.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flash_file_systems#File_systems_optimized_for_flash_memory_.2F_solid_state_media |
| 01:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | axos88, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS and the related articles and links therein seem to be as good a starting point as any :) |
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| 01:35.48 | oggei | there is a lot of available features : from "static" fs that you mount combined with other spaces for COW |
| 01:35.54 | axos88 | erm... yeah... well that's not the help I was looking for... I skimmed through those docs already. |
| 01:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | axos88, and the question remains... in the the redhat link for jffs2 it says: "Rather than using a kind of translation layer on flash devices to emulate a normal hard drive, as is the case with older flash solutions, it places the filesystem directly on the flash chips." |
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| 01:36.23 | oggei | to others that simply leverage medium problems |
| 01:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | now.... don't the usb sticks themselves actually do that emulation of a hard-disk? |
| 01:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me as if they do... |
| 01:36.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how then would a filesystem like that work? |
| 01:37.08 | axos88 | yeah they do just reading some article about this |
| 01:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | axos88, well, when you figured it out, you could improve on the jffs factoid in dpkg (or add an jffs2 factoid) /msg dpkg jffs to see the current one |
| 01:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is not very informative) |
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| 01:38.27 | axos88 | huh? |
| 01:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the same is not true for flashcards in card readers, though, I think |
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| 01:52.09 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat newer libtool seems to did the trick |
| 01:56.19 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat it created iptables-dev too, should I install it too? |
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| 02:00.17 | matu | hi |
| 02:00.23 | matu | it seems i have no sound on my debian |
| 02:00.43 | matu | could you help me please ? i just started with a minimal installation and installed lxde and vlc |
| 02:01.49 | dvs | matu: aptitude install alsa-utils |
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| 02:04.02 | matu | still no sound |
| 02:04.04 | matu | dvs |
| 02:04.17 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 02:04.18 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 02:08.11 | matu | i just needed to run alsaconf as root dvs |
| 02:08.14 | matu | thank you though |
| 02:08.34 | dvs | np |
| 02:08.35 | matu | i got the trick reading at your comment |
| 02:11.41 | matu | lol |
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| 02:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, oh, I didn't realize libtool was a package (although the name did ring a bell) because it was obviously ./libtool... |
| 02:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, guess libtool created that script(?) |
| 02:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, hm, that means the build-dependencies of this package are wrong - they should demand the newer libtool |
| 02:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, now you can file a bug report :) |
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| 02:31.46 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat haha, how do I do that? |
| 02:36.36 | unitypunk | hey |
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| 02:37.09 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat according to netfilter dev, iptables comes with libtool, but perhaps debian packaging overwrites it? |
| 02:37.22 | unitypunk | why does this sda:<2>ldm_validate_partition_table(): Disk read failed. |
| 02:37.26 | unitypunk | happen to me? |
| 02:37.45 | unitypunk | then device is stuck being busy. |
| 02:37.50 | unitypunk | and i cant remount it. |
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| 02:41.23 | jony123 | Lets get this stright. If someone cannot get superuser privs at all! There shouldn't be much damage he can do to my system right? |
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| 02:43.15 | dbbolton | i added some custom font paths in my xorg.conf but they don't show up in the output of "xset -q". what is the problem? |
| 02:45.01 | NiLon | jony123 it's about how you define problem |
| 02:45.26 | NiLon | problem -> damage* |
| 02:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, libtool is a package... and it has a version number - and if you need it for building a package in a certain version, its build-dependencies should require that you have the package in that or a higher version |
| 02:46.58 | jony123 | NiLon: I more meant. What bad could he do to my system. (Im just being careful here.) |
| 02:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | unitypunk: karma |
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| 02:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jony123, become root and then cause more damage? |
| 02:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | generally... no, he shouldn't |
| 02:49.01 | jony123 | ahh cool. |
| 02:49.41 | jony123 | is there a way to search my whole filesystem for any files with 777 read,write and exicute permissions |
| 02:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's an imperfect universe, so he probably can :) |
| 02:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that won't help you much |
| 02:50.49 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat can you help me file a bug report? |
| 02:51.18 | jony123 | I guess i will just have to keep an eye on him. |
| 02:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jony123, "apt-get install harden-doc" - and you can read to your hearts content on securing a system. There's also a package "harden" (apt-cache show harden) and "bastille"... |
| 02:52.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but usually hardening is mttiw |
| 02:52.48 | jony123 | Ok. |
| 02:52.56 | jony123 | thanks. |
| 02:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'd only do it if I was paid for doing it (or had too much time on my hands or a real good reason) :) |
| 02:53.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a *lot* of effort you can put in there |
| 02:53.47 | jony123 | Ahh btw. how do i scroll up in screen. the normal shift-pgup doesnt work |
| 02:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | just pageup? |
| 02:54.14 | jony123 | na it flashes then doesnt do anything |
| 02:54.27 | jony123 | then sends a terminal bell to the other window |
| 02:54.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, not using it more than once or twice a century |
| 02:55.19 | jony123 | Lol. Screen/irssi + lots of other things running and that, |
| 02:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, sure... you type 'reportbug' on the commandline and sssssst, off you go! |
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| 02:56.31 | obie | Hello |
| 02:56.44 | obie | Anyone here for help |
| 02:56.56 | simonrvn | jony123: esc-pgup |
| 02:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you here for help? |
| 02:57.18 | simonrvn | nope |
| 02:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 02:57.30 | dvs | nope |
| 02:57.36 | jony123 | simonrvn: nope that just does [5~ |
| 02:57.53 | simonrvn | jony123: in screen? |
| 02:57.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | only 533 more nopes to go |
| 02:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 02:58.06 | jony123 | simonrvn: yeh. |
| 02:58.24 | simonrvn | oh sorry i meant ctrl-a then pgup |
| 02:58.38 | simonrvn | no... |
| 02:58.46 | simonrvn | ctrl-a esc pgup |
| 02:59.02 | obie | i cannot figure this error out when compiling libdlna |
| 02:59.05 | simonrvn | i do it so automatically i forget what i'm doing ... |
| 02:59.09 | obie | profiles.c:596: error: âAVCodecContextâ has no member named âbits_per_raw_sample |
| 02:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, ctrl-a shift-s esc ctrl-alt-esc pageup? |
| 02:59.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds rather obvious... |
| 02:59.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:59.53 | jony123 | cntl -a esc pgup went up |
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| 03:00.14 | simonrvn | in irssi it's just pgup |
| 03:00.49 | jony123 | simonrvn: yeh. Auctally cntl-a [ then just scroll up like normally |
| 03:01.01 | simonrvn | yeh you can do that too |
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| 03:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | obie, that's not really so much a question for #d... but ... check for the build requirements of that library |
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| 03:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me as if either something like libavcodec-dev is missing, or lenny has an older version number than what you require |
| 03:05.53 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat bug filed |
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| 03:05.57 | Devastator | filled |
| 03:06.13 | dvs | delete it! |
| 03:06.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | obie, there's 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 in http://security.debian.org, 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 in http://www.debian-multimedia.org and 4:0.5+svnXXXX in testing/unstable |
| 03:07.17 | obie | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont konw how get to the testing unstable ones for that... i have seen lots of post on this and no answers |
| 03:07.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | 4:0.5+svn20090706-X |
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| 03:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | obie, 1) look in the install instructions what version you really need... |
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| 03:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | obie, the simplest would be to use the one from debian-multimedia/stable, but that's only minimally newer |
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| 03:09.24 | Devastator | going to bed, thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, ah, forgot to say: \o/ |
| 03:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | filed, filled or failed? :) |
| 03:09.52 | Devastator | filled I guess |
| 03:09.57 | Devastator | sorry for the english.. |
| 03:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | filed was actually better : |
| 03:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ) |
| 03:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | as in "file away" |
| 03:10.17 | obie | CutMeOwnThroat: i added the media stable repo and installed all those but they are all 3:20080706-0.3 |
| 03:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... I just said that |
| 03:11.04 | obie | how do i add the unstable repo? |
| 03:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least of libavcodec-dev, there's versions from 2009 in testing/unstable |
| 03:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | obie, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 03:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | obie, might not be so simple, though |
| 03:12.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Depends: libavutil49 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090609) | libavutil-unstripped-49 (>= 4:0.5+svn20090609), libavutil49 (<< 4:0.5+svn20090609-99) | libavutil-unstripped-49 (<< 4:0.5+svn20090609-99), libc6 (>= 2.7), libfaad0 (>= 2.6.1), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.12), libopenjpeg2, libschroedinger-1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0), libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1), libtheora0 (>= 0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.1.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 03:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a lot of versioned depends there... |
| 03:13.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | many of which might be higher versions than in lenny |
| 03:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | your other alternative would then be to update your whole system to testing |
| 03:13.40 | obie | yea i bet they are all ported for squeeze |
| 03:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ...with the obvious backdraws |
| 03:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you wonder... maintainer aren't gods either |
| 03:14.35 | obie | lol |
| 03:14.42 | obie | im on ffmpeg also |
| 03:14.50 | obie | seeing if they know |
| 03:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if it says libgsm1 (>= 1.0.12), does it really require >=1.0.12, or would 1.0.8 do as well? |
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| 03:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think packager might figure if they enter the version of the lib they currently use, at least they can guarantee it works |
| 03:18.10 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat here's my bugreport: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567066 |
| 03:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess he'll figure the consequences |
| 03:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno about priority... it doesn't build from source in testing... but they'll change how they want |
| 03:20.18 | Devastator | thanks again |
| 03:20.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, see, what needs to be change is this - if you run apt-cache showsrc iptables |grep d-Depends |
| 03:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you get |
| 03:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 7.0), autoconf, automake, libtool |
| 03:21.26 | Devastator | yep, libtool should be >= 2.0 |
| 03:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously, it needs to say something like libtool (>=2.2.6) or so |
| 03:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 03:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 2.2.6a-4~bpo50+1 in bpo |
| 03:22.17 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat iptables.orig has ltmain.sh 2.2.6a hehe |
| 03:22.34 | Devastator | but complains about LT_INIT |
| 03:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Devastator, and it's actually just a few bytes in debian/control |
| 03:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is exactly what apt-cache showsrc <pkg> displays) |
| 03:23.33 | Devastator | minor bug.. |
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| 03:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | more important if the binary dependencies are wrong |
| 03:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | although you run into that mainly when you're mixing stable with testing and/or with unstable or when you upgrade the system |
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| 03:25.03 | Devastator | precisely |
| 03:25.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why I'm actually personally more in favor for mixing than backports :-P |
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| 03:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'd find a lot of those :) |
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| 03:28.20 | Devastator | going to bed, thanks CutMeOwnThroat! |
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| 03:32.42 | fr33k | CutMeOwnThroat: just curios about your nick: irony, sarcasm, suicidell ?? |
| 03:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | fr33k, /msg dpkg dibbler |
| 03:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 03:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | fr33k, sausage inna bun? |
| 03:34.52 | fr33k | CutMeOwnThroat: dkpg: No such nick/channel |
| 03:35.18 | fr33k | CutMeOwnThroat: ?? |
| 03:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, dibbler |
| 03:35.31 | dpkg | Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.'" |
| 03:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | not dkpg! |
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| 03:36.41 | fr33k | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry my fault .... and ... lol .. thanx |
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| 04:14.38 | adb | google ? |
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| 04:15.25 | flaccid | man who can point me in the most official logrotate doc for debian? |
| 04:16.05 | flaccid | this must be a different logrotate http://iain.cx/src/logrotate/#configuration |
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| 04:18.02 | hochron | how do i identify cdrom1 as a dvd burner? |
| 04:19.09 | ranix | cdrom1 is probably a simlink to an hd or sd device |
| 04:19.28 | hochron | ohhh my burner wont work |
| 04:19.35 | ranix | sometimes there's also / or instead of, a cdrw |
| 04:19.46 | ranix | won't work is a questionable statement |
| 04:19.48 | hochron | I think the previous owner dropped it :( |
| 04:19.52 | ranix | just use wodim to try to burn something |
| 04:20.18 | hochron | ok |
| 04:20.31 | ranix | wodim --speed=1 /path/to/image.iso if I remember correctly |
| 04:20.39 | ranix | man wodim for more info |
| 04:20.49 | unfancy | flaccid: debian wiki? |
| 04:21.19 | ranix | !wiki |
| 04:21.29 | unfancy | !wiki logrotate |
| 04:21.34 | unfancy | bleh :D |
| 04:21.38 | flaccid | :o |
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| 04:33.09 | hochron | ok I tried wodim and got this http://pastebin.com/m6142446c |
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| 04:33.52 | TiMiDo | ? |
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| 04:45.19 | puff | Where's the file that apt keeps the list of installed packages? |
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| 04:48.16 | puff | E.g. if I'm trying to check in a backup to see what version of mysql that system had installed, where do I look? |
| 04:49.05 | pseubodot | with boot scripts being re-ordered based on dependencies, is it possible to have a particular package be told NOT to start at boot? |
| 04:49.37 | pseubodot | (eg. I have a script to bring up bind9, dhcp-server, and tftp server, and I don't want them started at boot) |
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| 04:54.16 | pickcoder | puff: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 04:54.42 | pickcoder | pseubodot: just disable the init script |
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| 05:06.25 | stack | hi I'm searching for a accessibility writing program, |
| 05:07.18 | stack | I used one ont time but I don't remember the name, It's a program that is used by people with hand/body disfunction or unable to use the keyboard(maybe) |
| 05:07.58 | pseubodot | pickcoder: hmm. no worries bringing down the service? |
| 05:07.59 | stack | it has a list of letters and pointing one of them brings up correlated letters from a dictionary in order to complete a word. |
| 05:08.24 | stack | this is the one I used but maybe someone could point me to some else program, thanks in advance. |
| 05:08.45 | pseubodot | belay that - my script can do that too. |
| 05:09.00 | pickcoder | pseubodot: depends on the service |
| 05:10.57 | pickcoder | stack: what kind of "accessibility" |
| 05:11.04 | pickcoder | OO.org has accessibilty options |
| 05:12.00 | stack | I thought that I was pretty clear with the explanation, by the way, I need a program to help people writing without a traditional keyboard, but maybe with a joystick or a mouse |
| 05:12.33 | stack | mh no re-reading myself I was not clear :) |
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| 05:13.29 | jmarsden | stack: The Gnome Onscreen Keyboard may be close to what you are looking for? http://www.gok.ca/ |
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| 05:14.05 | bfrog | how do I allow core dumps to be created? |
| 05:14.14 | bfrog | is it a ulimit thing? |
| 05:14.37 | stack | jmarsden: mh no |
| 05:15.19 | nooper | ulimit -c unlimited |
| 05:15.43 | bfrog | man ulimit doesn't list -c as an option, is just just a hidden option or something? |
| 05:16.10 | nooper | man bash has a section on ulimit |
| 05:16.34 | nooper | or whatever shell you use |
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| 05:19.38 | pickcoder | stack: on-screen kb? |
| 05:20.28 | stack | pickcoder: something like that but not the one that already someone pointed me to, the gko. |
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| 05:28.57 | jmarsden | stack: Maybe dasher? |
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| 05:33.03 | stack | jmarsden: yes it is, thanks :) |
| 05:33.18 | jmarsden | stack: You're welcome. |
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| 05:50.53 | jaggz- | my system doesn't have xfs running .. what's it using for truetype fonts? I just copied a new file to /usr/.../truetype/ and I'd like to refresh the font system |
| 05:51.21 | jaggz- | (I just installed xfstt but I feel funnny) |
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| 06:05.29 | durka42 | You have NFS mount points currently mounted, and this version of mount |
| 06:05.29 | durka42 | requires that nfs-common be upgraded before NFS mounts will work. |
| 06:05.44 | durka42 | is there any way to get around this? i'd rather not umount /home just now |
| 06:05.58 | durka42 | is finishing etch->lenny upgrade |
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| 06:11.01 | durka42 | i guess i can rephrase my question. if i unmount /home, will I lose my ssh connection? |
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| 06:16.29 | karlpinc | durka42: No. (not if it's "stock" debian) |
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| 06:16.53 | karlpinc | Are there "extra" languages I can remove from a minimal debian install to save space? |
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| 06:35.04 | hanibana | hi |
| 06:35.07 | hanibana | We have a mail system which includes several servers, each with their functionaliy like load balancer, smtp server (postfix), ... how can I measure the accurate delivery time of a message from client to mailbox? is there any tool to do that? |
| 06:35.13 | hanibana | I want to do that when system is under load of a benchmark software. |
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| 06:37.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hanibana: look at the timestamps in the email headers? |
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| 06:43.58 | karlpinc | Humm. Seems the answer is no. The "new" locale packaging does not generate extra locales. |
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| 06:48.57 | ice799 | Hello. On debian lenny in the /etc/passwd file, what is the difference between ! and * ? |
| 06:49.07 | ice799 | (for the password fields) |
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| 06:51.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | ice799: check the man page |
| 06:51.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | ice799: one is disabled, one is locked |
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| 06:57.35 | ice799 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks. |
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| 08:45.02 | simplechat | hey |
| 08:45.16 | simplechat | are there any nice guides for optimising the network stack? |
| 08:45.22 | simplechat | i'm googling, but nothing really seems to explain much |
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| 08:50.32 | jmarsden | simplechat: WHat makes you think your network stack is currently suboptimal? |
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| 08:50.57 | simplechat | i have two bonded gigE cards and i'm hitting 400meg/second out of 2000meg/sec capacity |
| 08:50.57 | simplechat | ? |
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| 08:54.11 | joltcan | simplechat: http://fasterdata.es.net/TCP-tuning/linux.html |
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| 08:54.27 | bartmon | wee, netsplit |
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| 08:55.00 | simplechat | yeah |
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| 08:55.09 | simplechat | is there anything specifically to optimise for bonded interfaces? |
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| 08:57.20 | jmarsden | Not that I know of. Do you get more than 400mbit/sec from a single gigE interface , just as a comparison? |
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| 08:58.04 | simplechat | about the same |
| 08:58.05 | simplechat | for both |
| 08:58.09 | simplechat | which is really odd |
| 08:58.21 | simplechat | the switch that its on doesn't support 802.1ad (?) |
| 08:58.32 | simplechat | so i'm using rr |
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| 08:59.36 | jmarsden | It's not about the bonding aspect, but are any of the ideas in http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-scalability/?ca=dgr-lnxw16FasterLinuxNet relevant? |
| 08:59.53 | simplechat | is reading |
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| 09:00.42 | joltcan | simplechat: I think the most important thing is to increase send/recv buffers and set window scaling to max, and then try, tweak, retry, tweak ad infinitum |
| 09:01.01 | simplechat | is there any way to disable window scaling and just set tcp window size to max? |
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| 09:01.13 | simplechat | because its going to be on a completely gigE network |
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| 09:20.06 | maxagaz | how to uninstall a program installed with "make ; make install" ? |
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| 09:20.45 | AimHere | 'make uninstall' will hopefully work, if the dev was considerate |
| 09:21.16 | AimHere | And you shouldn't have been installing with 'make; make install' generally anyways |
| 09:21.32 | AimHere | make shouldn't have been running as root, and 'make install' shouldn't work unless you're root |
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| 09:26.30 | KrisKo | Hi, how many CD's are needed for debian 5 instalation... there are over 30 here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:27.07 | AimHere | The first should doubt get you a working debian install |
| 09:27.43 | KrisKo | AimHere: thx |
| 09:28.24 | AimHere | If you want the serbo-croat language packs for the gmfsk amateur radio rtty decoder, it might involve digging deeper |
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| 09:32.35 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 10:07.07 | mcgregor | maybe my question is a litte OT: can anybody tell me if/how stable ext4 is? is it possible to "convert" ext3->ext4 just like it was possible with ext2->ext3? |
| 10:08.48 | joltcan | mcgregor: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto |
| 10:09.00 | joltcan | mcgregor: Answer is "pretty stable AFAIK" and "yes" |
| 10:09.14 | mcgregor | thank you joltcan |
| 10:09.26 | joltcan | ...but I don't run it myself :) |
| 10:09.44 | bartmon | unfortunately performance has gotten slower with rtecent kernels |
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| 10:12.07 | joltcan | mcgregor: I dont think you can do ext4->ext3 though, so maybe you should try with a backup fs first if you are cautious |
| 10:12.43 | simplechat | can anyone recommend anything on LD_PRELOAD? |
| 10:13.21 | mcgregor | well, I'll read those docs first a little and I won't do it now or soon since I have only my laptop here and if that one break ... I'll wait until I've got my desktop here :) |
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| 10:21.38 | adnc | hello, is anyone running a collaboration server like zarafa with debian? is there any reason not to run it from a vps server with about 384mb? |
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| 10:26.30 | joltcan | adnc: No idea of how "heavy" their backend stuff works, or how many simultanious users you are looking at, but I think 384 sounds a bit low |
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| 10:26.50 | joltcan | simultaneous even |
| 10:26.58 | neodragon | hello |
| 10:27.27 | adnc | joltcan, i see, i'm running horde at the moment with about 5 active users. because of some features i was planning to change to zarafa |
| 10:27.48 | adnc | horde works just fine, mail is handled by postfix and imap |
| 10:28.05 | bartmon | hey, there's a new kernel in squeeze with a separated firmware package. On installation i was warned to make sure my firmware files were in place for the new kernel. Any documentation on how to do that? |
| 10:29.17 | neodragon | Is this the wrong channel to ask questions about switching to Debian from another disto? |
| 10:29.21 | joltcan | adnc: I haven't used zarafa, but my experience from zimbra (which relies on a lot of java) wasn't good at all under 1G |
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| 10:30.10 | adnc | joltcan, i did read about zimbra it is a huge package based on java. i'm sure it won't run properly with that less amount of memory |
| 10:30.37 | adnc | and joltcan what do you think about generally running a collaboration server as a vps? |
| 10:31.42 | joltcan | adnc: Why not, I only have good experiences from VPSses (except when someone on a shared VPS took all the IO for X hours) |
| 10:31.46 | joltcan | now: food! |
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| 10:32.06 | adnc | joltcan, thank you |
| 10:32.27 | ananthgs | Hi all.. when the kernel is loading I get udev errors |
| 10:32.32 | ananthgs | my kernel version is as follows |
| 10:32.43 | ananthgs | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:32.53 | ananthgs | it asks me every time to update my kernel |
| 10:32.59 | ananthgs | can someone help me??? |
| 10:36.13 | bartmon | ananthgs: (sudo) apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 10:36.24 | bartmon | If it's available to you. |
| 10:37.30 | ananthgs | thanks bartmon |
| 10:37.37 | ananthgs | i ll check it out |
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| 10:47.46 | rumpsy | Can you help me to reload default main repo gpg key |
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| 10:54.50 | Tyroll | re |
| 10:56.29 | Tyroll | somebody here? |
| 10:57.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | !somebody |
| 10:57.11 | dpkg | hmm... somebody is a person , who has a body |
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| 11:02.15 | xand | my dvd drive is mentioned by dmesg: "[ 2.297179] hdc: HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8162B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" however /dev/hdc does not exist, how should i create it? |
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| 11:02.45 | JPT | maybe you just need the cdrom module |
| 11:02.54 | xand | hm |
| 11:03.29 | JPT | and/or additional modules for that drive... if you did not load them yet.. |
| 11:03.59 | xand | could be that. |
| 11:04.08 | JPT | it looks like a usual dvd-rom that should even work with a kernel from 2008 |
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| 11:04.28 | JPT | so the reason it's not "working" yet should be simple |
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| 11:09.17 | Devastator | Yesterday I backported iptables from sid to lenny, it created iptables and iptables-dev, what iptables-dev should contain? |
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| 11:15.30 | petemc | Devastator: apt-cache show iptables-dev |
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| 11:18.02 | Devastator | it says: development files for iptable's libipq, header files, static libs and documentation for libipq, iptables's user-space packet queuing library |
| 11:18.09 | petemc | i know |
| 11:19.08 | Devastator | petemc I just want to know if it's needed by iptables package or iptables can run without iptables-dev |
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| 11:20.09 | petemc | Devastator: oh, i didnt get that from your question at all - no, you dont need it to run iptables |
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| 11:21.03 | Devastator | petemc sorry for my bad english, because I'm thinking about posting it to www.backports.org, but don't know if I post both or only iptables.. |
| 11:22.05 | petemc | seeing as both packages are in the debian repositories, you might as well provide both |
| 11:23.37 | Devastator | petemc thanks, have you ever backported? I don't know how to put bpo something on package's version |
| 11:24.48 | petemc | ive backported packages for my own use |
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| 11:25.28 | abrotman | Devastator: i don't think normal users can put packages up there?> |
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| 11:27.10 | Devastator | abrotman oh.. ok, just want to contribute |
| 11:27.23 | abrotman | Devastator: there's a contact email on the website IIRC .. |
| 11:27.44 | abrotman | Devastator: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 11:28.28 | abrotman | Devastator: it says non-DDs can do it |
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| 11:31.50 | Devastator | abrotman yes, I'm reading it, perhaps I should send an email that I have the package but without version modification and ask them for instructions, what do you think? |
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| 11:32.57 | Slydder | http://xkcd.com/676/ |
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| 11:33.53 | abrotman | Slydder: wrong channel, try #debian-offtopic |
| 11:34.04 | petemc | channelS |
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| 11:35.29 | ewet | should I just go and restart? |
| 11:35.45 | abrotman | you just joined ... |
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| 11:36.00 | petemc | that question lacks context |
| 11:36.21 | ewet | didn't I post anything at 12:29? |
| 11:36.29 | petemc | negative |
| 11:36.33 | abrotman | it's 0636 here |
| 11:36.56 | ewet | oh yeah.. :/ well 5min ago then |
| 11:37.02 | petemc | you did not |
| 11:37.14 | ewet | hi, I have created this script http://pastebin.com/f426b5852 put it as /etc/network/if-up.d/00-firewall (executeable of course) and made ifdown -a ; poff -a ; /etc/init.d/hostapd restart after restarting all interfaces I still have no gateway from my wifi phone over my wifi access-point to my ppp connection :/ |
| 11:37.25 | ewet | anything I missed? |
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| 11:40.29 | ewet | I can't understand why it doesn't work.. to me it looks like I've done all that's necessary. I've started the script manually to no avail. the card works, the access-point (hostap) works and the phone connects but theres no NAT.. |
| 11:40.56 | petemc | that script would have nothing to do with your having a gateway configured or not |
| 11:42.10 | petemc | and i dont think you need the line below "# Don't forward from the outside to the inside" |
| 11:44.24 | KatchaFire | Hello ! I'm running sid and want to install a package from testing. How can i do it ? |
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| 11:45.57 | abrotman | why? |
| 11:46.35 | Devastator | I didn't knew I had to generate pgp/gpg key :( |
| 11:46.47 | abrotman | it's not that hard |
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| 11:47.22 | Devastator | well, let me install ssh on the server.. |
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| 11:48.52 | themill | KatchaFire: /msg dpkg tum |
| 11:50.07 | KatchaFire | themill: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 11:54.57 | Devastator | grrrr |
| 11:55.05 | Devastator | gpg: nothing to export |
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| 12:01.51 | Devastator | yep.. can't create pgp/gpg key.. |
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| 12:05.31 | nvz | figures.. I got absolutly nothing to do, and the only issue this morning is with something I'm not too familiar with. |
| 12:06.00 | Maleko | how do you compress multiple files into a single bzip2 archive |
| 12:07.25 | nvz | you would archive them into a single file, then bzip em |
| 12:07.30 | nvz | all done using tar |
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| 12:11.00 | nvz | Maleko: tar -cjvf foo.tar foo/ |
| 12:11.03 | nvz | for example |
| 12:11.11 | nvz | well, actually |
| 12:11.15 | nvz | Maleko: tar -cjvf foo.tar.bz2 foo/ |
| 12:11.17 | Maleko | it is possible to do it w/o tarring it first? |
| 12:11.27 | nvz | haha |
| 12:11.35 | nvz | why, you got something against tar? |
| 12:11.37 | Maleko | :) |
| 12:11.55 | nvz | bzip/gzip are just compression, they do not archive files |
| 12:12.06 | nvz | tar was designed specifically for that purpose |
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| 12:12.21 | nvz | originally for tape backups, but its still widely used today for non-tape archives |
| 12:12.52 | nvz | you could use file-roller |
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| 12:13.04 | nvz | or some easy graphical interfac |
| 12:13.07 | nvz | but its just going to use tar on the backend anyhow.. |
| 12:13.42 | ewet | petemc, what do you mean with the script doesn't do anything for NAT it's basically IT |
| 12:13.55 | ewet | my routing table: http://pastebin.com/f2b58356b |
| 12:14.21 | ewet | it's all I get from _any_ how-to (in variation of course) |
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| 12:17.50 | Devastator | abrotman I typed: gpg --export --armor my_email > public-key-file then gpg says: WARNING: nothing exported, it generates a blank file with 0 bytes, but I've read it should be valid |
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| 12:20.51 | petemc | ewet: i didnt mention nat, i said that script would have nothing to do with you having configured a gateway address |
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| 12:23.31 | RedTide | hi, I have a problem to make run an applet java class for some web irc chat I have in some pages, I think is something related to java certificates: where I can find a tool to fix problem for java 6 plugin non free or a path where I can add missing java class by hand in my debian (testing) environment? |
| 12:23.38 | ewet | petemc, okay.. maybe I lost it a little bit. lets sum up: I have two interfaces eth0 (which is connecting to the dsl modem) and wlan0 which is an access-point (hostapd) I have set up the NAT (the firewall script) so all that's left is the actual routing? |
| 12:24.13 | Devastator | and dhcp |
| 12:24.34 | themill | RedTide: have you already fixed the ipv6 issues with java in squeeze? /msg dpkg java ipv6 |
| 12:24.35 | ewet | oh dhcp is set up - i forgot |
| 12:25.05 | RedTide | didn't know about that |
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| 12:28.13 | abrotman | Devastator: you're trying to make keys? or encrypt something? |
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| 12:29.48 | RedTide | themill: seems that command report an error |
| 12:29.51 | RedTide | here |
| 12:29.59 | Devastator | abrotman mentors.debian.net says: (*) To get your public PGP/GPG key into a file please run: "gpg --export --armor your-email-address > public-key-file" and select this file in the form above |
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| 12:30.18 | Devastator | I've never created keys |
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| 12:36.06 | RedTide | ok found error issue, now java works, thanks themill |
| 12:37.12 | abrotman | Devastator: that assumes you've already created a key |
| 12:37.54 | Devastator | abrotman oh.. can you help me with that? |
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| 12:40.12 | abrotman | Devastator: http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html |
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| 12:41.49 | Devastator | now my isp is playing with me... url not found |
| 12:43.40 | ewet_ | maybe I'm just too dumb but according to http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/lanconnect/router/linux.htm (maybe the 100th howto I'm reading these days) I'm good.. this is my routing table: http://pastebin.com/f3e3932f4 |
| 12:44.00 | Devastator | abrotman can you open that site? |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | Devastator: yes, works form e |
| 12:48.34 | Devastator | my route dies on their gateway.. |
| 12:49.00 | Devastator | this is not my day for sure.. |
| 12:49.41 | abrotman | go home, wait til tomorrow |
| 12:49.52 | Devastator | I'm home.. |
| 12:50.17 | Devastator | at least it's a building, I can probably jump |
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| 13:01.51 | sohum | there's a package in unstable, "hat". but it depends on stable versions of other packages. Wouldn't this imply that someone running an unstable-only system wouldn't be able to install the package? |
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| 13:03.49 | oggei | sohum: someone told me that this is a RC bug, anyway i'm happily "forward mixing" distro, using sid and having other branches configured in repo list |
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| 13:04.17 | oggei | still not extensively re-read policies |
| 13:04.41 | sohum | oggei: RC bug? |
| 13:05.37 | oggei | i never think about a problem like that in term of release critical bug, as for what i'm know about debian is perfectly normal that a package, in this case "hat", can have new upstream while dependencies are still the same, so already in stable or so |
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| 13:06.14 | oggei | but lot of ppl screamed about that so i'm considering to read again policies |
| 13:06.32 | abrotman | sohum: it seems to be known in the BTS |
| 13:07.01 | Arrowmaster | well it wouldnt get moved to testing if its dependencies cant be found in testing if thats what you mean by RC bug |
| 13:07.01 | abrotman | sohum: it's not even able to be built currently .. the package needs to be altered, rebuilt, uploaded |
| 13:07.02 | Arrowmaster | but sid should always be assumed to be broken in some form or another |
| 13:08.02 | sohum | what's the BTS? |
| 13:08.09 | abrotman | sohum: bugs.debian.org/hat |
| 13:08.32 | sohum | abrotman: spiffy, thanks |
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| 13:15.46 | optraz | hello, im building a .deb package, and after i install this package, how can this pacakge will run command a2enmod proxy ? |
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| 13:18.52 | abrotman | optraz: the postinst script |
| 13:19.19 | optraz | k |
| 13:19.21 | optraz | i read that |
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| 13:23.36 | solar_sea | How can I give a user rights to mount owned images to owned folder using -o loop ? |
| 13:24.00 | zinx | solar_sea: consider using fusermount instead |
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| 13:24.21 | zinx | solar_sea: it can do loopback mounts of some filesystems, anyway |
| 13:24.37 | zinx | solar_sea: and it is designed to handle exactly that case |
| 13:24.46 | solar_sea | It's a singleuser system, so I think seting mount suid could help, but I'd rather use a different solution |
| 13:24.55 | petemc | you can also access files inside an iso with mc |
| 13:25.57 | zinx | solar_sea: there's also "pmount", but i don't know if it handles loopback |
| 13:26.08 | solar_sea | petemc: can I execute them and can the executables later find the other files in there ? If so it'd be perfect ... |
| 13:26.22 | zinx | solar_sea: mount is already suid |
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| 13:26.56 | zinx | solar_sea: if you're going to give people access to use mount without limits, you may as well give them root (via sudo or whatever) |
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| 13:27.11 | zinx | because it is equivilant |
| 13:27.47 | solar_sea | well, I'd like to give users access to use mount to mount only images/devs that they own to folder that they own. it's not like they will be remounting / for example |
| 13:27.53 | solar_sea | I'll read on fuse, thanks |
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| 13:45.43 | thechef | Is there a command to simply "rotate" files, say "rotate myArchive.zip --maxVersions 5" that creates myArchive.zip.0 and when reexecuting it renames myArchive.0 to myArchive.1, newly creates myArchive.0. If exists deletes myArchive.4 - and so on |
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| 13:46.59 | rvsjoen | what kind of files ? would logrotate work ? |
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| 13:47.42 | rvsjoen | i'm sure you could configure it to handle almost anything |
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| 13:50.14 | thechef | mmh okay, i put that back at first, because i thought it's only thought for log files (why name it logrotate?) |
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| 13:51.53 | rvsjoen | I dont believe it does any parsing of the files, so I dont see why you wouldnt be able to apply it to any files, in addition you have postrotate-hooks |
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| 13:57.39 | abrotman | thechef: logrotate |
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| 14:02.00 | ePax | How can i limit user bg processes on lenny? |
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| 14:06.01 | AimHere | ePax, I think the appropriate command is 'ulimit' |
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| 14:06.40 | AimHere | At least, it might allow you to set some kinds of limit on your processes |
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| 14:06.57 | ePax | AimHere: Ok. Thnx. What is the diferrence between hard limit and soft limit? |
| 14:07.20 | AimHere | I don't know |
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| 14:08.00 | ePax | ok |
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| 14:08.22 | rvsjoen | you need root privileges to change the hard limit |
| 14:09.23 | OldParr | if i downlod debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso will it be enough to install gnome ? |
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| 14:10.44 | OldParr | if i download debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso, will it be enough to install gnome ? |
| 14:11.22 | spectre- | i'd recommend the dvd :) |
| 14:11.28 | ePax | OldParr: you can download netinstall and install desktop and you will get gnome with it. You might need some more cds. |
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| 14:12.08 | themill | OldParr: that CD should have all of gnome on it, yes. /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 14:13.52 | abrotman | OldParr: it doesn't have all of gnome, but a good portion of it |
| 14:15.00 | RichiH | a cow-orker managed to install a system with a german locale. what do i need to do to change _everything_ to english? |
| 14:15.22 | RichiH | normally, i'd just reinstall as it takes only a few minutes, but this system is already up and running-ish |
| 14:15.25 | RichiH | so... |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales .. set the default to whatever you want |
| 14:16.13 | zinx | RichiH: / /etc/locale.gen, /etc/environment |
| 14:16.14 | themill | RichiH: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" should be enough |
| 14:16.19 | zinx | or that |
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| 14:18.29 | RichiH | is not 100% sure that will do _everything_ (think keyboard, etc), but i will try :) |
| 14:19.19 | OldParr | themill: will i get a basic desktop downloading just debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 14:19.22 | themill | RichiH: ahh.. other packages like openoffice, gnome, kde will have their own configuration too. And that's stored per user normally, so all you can do is make sure the appropriate l10n packages are installed. |
| 14:19.24 | themill | OldParr: yes |
| 14:19.28 | ewet_ | apt-get install ipmasq dnsmasq gives me this http://pastebin.com/m5b162210 -- I have an rtorrent script in init.d. but what is this error? |
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| 14:20.26 | RichiH | themill: it's a server |
| 14:21.03 | abrotman | ewet_: squeeze ? |
| 14:21.08 | ewet_ | yes |
| 14:21.21 | themill | RichiH: yeah, that's what I thought at first, but then you started talking about keyboards... |
| 14:21.21 | abrotman | i think ipmasq is due to be removed (if it hasn't already) |
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| 14:21.40 | themill | abrotman: yeah, gone :( |
| 14:22.00 | ewet_ | what is the alternative? (I've seen it's only in stable) |
| 14:23.02 | abrotman | ewet_: iptables/netfilter |
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| 14:24.05 | oggei | again, you really should investigate shorewall.net <g> |
| 14:24.15 | ewet_ | okay I'll just search for _another_ howto share internet over wifi then -- thanks for the clarification |
| 14:24.29 | oggei | and anyway lartc.org is *the* howto |
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| 14:25.22 | amartin | hello all, does anyone is from birmingham |
| 14:25.48 | RichiH | themill: our passwords all contain plenty of special chars so i don't like to be sruprised by a non-english layout |
| 14:26.27 | themill | RichiH: :) or not be able to type it in due to the lack of ä ö ü .... |
| 14:27.41 | cheavera | I'm using Debian Lenny with an sid kernel (2.6.31-1-686), where can i find the kernel-headers for this kernel? |
| 14:28.19 | oggei | cheavera: maybe in volatile, as 2.6.31 is no longer in any branch |
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| 14:36.41 | pozic | Is there a program which converts a ps file into a searchable PDF file? (that is it does OCR and so on) |
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| 14:36.59 | pozic | I hate it that I cannot select text from PS files. |
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| 14:37.55 | themill | pozic: if the PS already contains the text, then ps2pdf is all that's needed and you don't need any OCR. If it's a pile of images, then you've got more work to do. |
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| 14:44.00 | pozic | themill: if I open the ps in evince and it cannot search for text, doesn't that mean there is no text? |
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| 14:45.47 | abrotman | pozic: probably .. |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | pozic: is this a PDF we can get to ? |
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| 14:46.56 | fallendevil9 | irc server suggestions for debian ? |
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| 14:47.20 | fallendevil9 | what is better faster and secure ? |
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| 14:48.44 | pozic | abrotman: I was mistaken. It already is a "PDF". People who create non-searchable PDFs.... |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | pozic: it might just mean it was scanned as an image instead of text |
| 14:49.48 | fallendevil9 | pozic : can u select the text ? |
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| 14:50.09 | Muisje | fallendevil9, i doubt that is a debian question. Just google IRCd's and see which one are compatible with debian and see if there are websites with comparisons |
| 14:51.02 | fallendevil9 | muisje: thankz, debian users can guide me though what suited them best out of all alternatives |
| 14:51.05 | optraz | i have cvs and i have my ways of building package using fakeroot. but i dont know if this is correct or have better options. my goals is to be able to build the package in cvs and until release to the staging |
| 14:51.16 | optraz | comment any experience deb builder? |
| 14:51.43 | fallendevil9 | i just wanna stick to debian for that |
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| 14:53.25 | abrotman | fallendevil9: apt-cache search ircd .. there are only a few |
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| 14:54.24 | fallendevil9 | abrotman: ya .. have u used any before ? |
| 14:54.36 | fallendevil9 | would u suggest what should i opt for |
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| 14:55.37 | ePax | How can i test user process limit? Is there some other way than fork bomb? |
| 14:56.14 | oggei | spawn limit+1 process |
| 14:56.31 | rgr | wow. 257 updates in testing. |
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| 15:02.01 | pigdude | Anyone know of a JS console for Epiphany? |
| 15:02.30 | pigdude | I really can't keep testing with Iceweasel/Firebug because it slows my machine down so much |
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| 15:09.37 | RichiH | what is the name of the lzma successor? |
| 15:09.43 | abrotman | pigdude: opera? i'm not sure epiphany has one |
| 15:09.58 | petemc | RichiH: 7zip? |
| 15:10.03 | RichiH | no |
| 15:10.17 | pigdude | abrotman, maybe opera is worth a try...pain in the ass to install on deb though. I'll do it now in any case |
| 15:10.22 | RichiH | it's short and starts with an x, i think |
| 15:10.26 | RichiH | which makes googling quite fruitless |
| 15:10.39 | abrotman | pigdude: why? they have a .deb on their site |
| 15:10.47 | ePax | Is it possible to make kickstart scrip in lenny withouth X? |
| 15:10.50 | RichiH | xz! |
| 15:11.10 | pigdude | abrotman, you trust that? I usually enable the repos and go from there, but is that giving me the same thing pretty much? |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | pigdude: the repo installs the same package, and the package now sets up the source for you |
| 15:11.38 | pigdude | cool |
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| 15:12.08 | pigdude | I'm running testing though, and the sources line in the deb wiki is for lenny...hope this works |
| 15:13.32 | pigdude | when clipboard starts working in gnome in testing it will be awesome |
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| 15:17.40 | abrotman | it works for me |
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| 15:17.54 | StucKman | I'm trying to analize shared lib dependencies of a binary which is not for the arch I'm using (it's a cross compiled binary). ldd over it reports «not a dynamic executable». what can I use? |
| 15:19.09 | pigdude | abrotman, are you familiar w/ Opera? I'm trying to map the dragonfly console to F12 and I'm a bit perplexed by the keyboard settings interface...you just type in the action? How do you know what's available? |
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| 15:19.40 | abrotman | pigdude: that i do not know .. (though i do know there is a #opera on irc.opera.com) |
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| 15:21.53 | pigdude | what's the dpkg command to install a .deb? a skim of the man page didn't answer |
| 15:22.18 | pigdude | oh ok, it is -i |
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| 15:23.14 | ricdanger | hi there |
| 15:23.41 | pozic | pigdude: it is the first action in the manpage. Just skim more efficient ;) or you know /install ;) |
| 15:23.42 | ricdanger | can anyone help me with preseed? i want to keep my first NTFS partition and create only the / and swap |
| 15:24.04 | pigdude | pozic, yea, I searched /action in there but wasn't finding it, got it now :) |
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| 15:32.39 | maplebed | I'm trying to find out whether there's valid syntax to add custom headers to the debian/control file. I see a thread talking about xs-vcs-* before vcs-* became a valid header, and others talking about x-* for custom headers. I can't find a section in the policy detailing which is correct. Anybody know, or can give me a reference? |
| 15:34.07 | Honeyman | Hi all. Seems like the latest Intel video drivers in squeeze are ignoring the DPI settings in xorg.conf. Anyone knows what is the most current way to enforce specific DPI in Squeeze? |
| 15:34.35 | maplebed | (context - I'm using debs for internal software distribution and want to feed tidbits to my autobuild and continuous integration systems, as well as being able to query the packages for information about how they were built) |
| 15:36.19 | themill | maplebed: X-* is permitted and should be ignored by any rfc822 parser that sees it should it not understand what's going on. |
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| 15:38.07 | xyan | Honeyman: i think the intel driver calculates the dpi setting from the panel size. it checks its EDID data to determine the size, so disabling that and specifying a fake size with the Virtual directive could help |
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| 15:39.05 | Honeyman | xyan: seems like it fails. I recall I checked the EDID data somehow long ago, and it was correct then. |
| 15:39.36 | xyan | Honeyman: oh you end up with huge fonts? because of wrong panel size? |
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| 15:40.07 | themill | Honeyman: at one stage gdm was overriding the xorg.conf settings for some reason that I still can't explain. |
| 15:40.22 | Honeyman | xyan: In my case, fonts are messed up, some are too small, some are too large. |
| 15:40.25 | Honeyman | thechef: I use KDE |
| 15:40.38 | Honeyman | And my xorg.settings haven't changed. |
| 15:40.42 | xyan | Honeyman: man xorg.conf see the Virtual option that worked at least for me |
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| 15:40.52 | Honeyman | xyan: xdpyinfo | grep "dots per inch" reports 96x96, while it should be 145x145 in fact |
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| 15:41.55 | xyan | Honeyman: then do a bit of math you get the dimension with xdpyinfo and can calculate what size would result in 145dpi using the same resolution |
| 15:42.29 | maplebed | thanks, themill. |
| 15:42.42 | themill | np |
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| 15:43.51 | dp_ | isn't there a way to change what program apt/dpkg uses to fetch files? |
| 15:43.55 | xyan | Honeyman: you could force kdm to start the xserver with -dpi 145 by editing ServerArgsLocal in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
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| 15:45.29 | Honeyman | xyan: thanks for help, will try some additional X.org options... |
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| 15:46.30 | develop_ | hi i install fuse-uto;s and sshfs but when i do a modprobe fuse i get FATAL: Module fuse not found |
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| 15:48.03 | mike-burns | Good morning all. I'm totally new to Linux and have a bunch of FAQs that I can't find elsewhere. Hope you don't mind. |
| 15:48.43 | mike-burns | First off, I'm running testing (squeeze). How do I upgrade my kernel beyond 2.6.26? |
| 15:48.58 | kieren | Hi, I've installed the Bugzilla package but when copying /usr/share/bugzilla3/debian/apache.conf to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/bugzilla.conf I Bugilla's style sheet doesn't load |
| 15:49.14 | mike-burns | I started out with stable (lenny) and it prompted me for which version to use. I selected 2.6.26 then. |
| 15:49.40 | xyan | mike-burns: use apt-get or aptitude and install a new kernel, search for it with apt-cache search linux-image |
| 15:49.41 | maplebed | themill: when I add one of those, dpkg doesn't show me the custom fields (when i ask it via dpkg -I foo.deb or dpkg -f foo.deb X-custom-field). Suggestions? |
| 15:49.48 | themill | mike-burns: aptitude install linux-image-686 (or -amd64 if you are using that). BTW why are you running squeeze if you're new to linux? It's designed for developers not novice users. |
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| 15:50.06 | uwe | um, anyone tried installing Centos domU under lenny ? its requiring rpmstrap which is depriciated in lenny ... |
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| 15:50.34 | mike-burns | themill: I wanted the latest version of the software. It seemed that lenny didn't have it so I'm trying squeeze. |
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| 15:51.00 | mike-burns | themill: Also my wireless card doesn't work in lenny and I hoped that squeeze would give me the new kernel. |
| 15:51.04 | themill | mike-burns: that's really not a good reason to create lots of work for yourself and everyone else _when_ things break. |
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| 15:52.19 | xyan | mike-burns: there are backports for problems like that. newer versions of certain stuff including a kernel built against packages from lenny |
| 15:52.21 | mike-burns | themill: I'm trying to make the environment as close to what I'm used to. GNOME 2.20 just didn't cut it, for example. |
| 15:52.34 | mike-burns | xyan: Ah, good to know. WHere can I read more ab out this? |
| 15:52.57 | xyan | !tell mike-burns -about bpo |
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| 15:53.24 | darkfuneral | is xpaint in the tree? |
| 15:53.36 | themill | maplebed: putting it in your debian/control isn't a guarantee that it makes it into DEBIAN/control (i.e. into the package itself). I can't recall if there's a standard way of pushing these fields into the package though. You might want to look at the control file inside the package using a tool like mc or even ar. |
| 15:53.48 | Sacid | darkfuneral: aptitude search it? |
| 15:53.55 | darkfuneral | not on deb right now |
| 15:53.57 | darkfuneral | can you do it for me? |
| 15:54.07 | xyan | darkfuneral: packages.debian.org |
| 15:54.07 | themill | dpkg: tell darkfuneral about search |
| 15:54.25 | maplebed | themill: brilliant! You're right; it's not making it into DEBIAN/control. |
| 15:54.31 | Sacid | darkfuneral: it is in the tree....coulda have googled it too :P |
| 15:54.45 | darkfuneral | which version is it? |
| 15:54.47 | maplebed | (ftr, I'm using debuild to build the package) |
| 15:55.18 | themill | darkfuneral: seriously... packages.debian.org/xpaint |
| 15:56.13 | darkfuneral | xpaint is on version 2.8.13 already |
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| 15:57.46 | mike-burns | OK, another question: I've installed ruby-dev, which gave me ruby1.8. I'm missing a binary named `ruby'; how do I get this? I'm also missing the net/https library, which comes with Ruby; how do I get this? |
| 15:58.15 | maplebed | thanks again themill. gotto run. you've set me on the right track though. |
| 15:58.24 | simonrvn | install ruby ... |
| 15:58.31 | nvz | mike-burns: as a general rule -dev packages don't contain binaries |
| 15:58.43 | nvz | simonrvn: =) |
| 15:58.45 | mike-burns | Ah, I see. |
| 15:59.10 | nvz | simonrvn: I feel stupid just telling people that sort of thing |
| 15:59.21 | mike-burns | What does ruby-dev provide that ruby doesn't? |
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| 15:59.59 | nvz | mike-burns: -dev packages are usually parts needed to build the actual package or to build modules for it, like header files and such |
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| 16:00.03 | simonrvn | development headers, if that; the unnumbered ruby packages pull in the default ruby for that debian version which is 1.8 |
| 16:00.42 | simonrvn | so it'd pull in ruby1.8-dev or whatever it's called and that has the header files, pc crap, and other things in it. |
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| 16:01.06 | mike-burns | Ah OK. It was confusing since Ruby is a development environment, etc etc. Got it now, thanks. |
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| 16:02.03 | nvz | mike-burns: unless you are developing ruby itself or a module, you have no need for -dev |
| 16:02.30 | mike-burns | nvz: I am, so I installed the -dev thinking it'd pull in the non-dev. Didn't verify that it did, my fault. |
| 16:02.56 | nvz | mike-burns: no worries, now you know ;) |
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| 16:06.53 | mike-burns | So the thing people do is: run lenny, use backports to get the latest software? The descriptions of `testing' that I saw implied that it had software that probably worked if I knew how to use unix. |
| 16:07.01 | mike-burns | (Which is where my confusion came in.) |
| 16:07.50 | nvz | mike-burns: the main thing about using a testing/unstable branch of debian is that you know how to deal with a broken package system |
| 16:08.04 | mike-burns | Ah, OK, I don't want that. |
| 16:08.24 | nvz | mike-burns: aside from the obvious having new software, the result of which is the fact that the maintainers constantly changing packages could result in problems |
| 16:08.41 | nvz | mike-burns: if you are familiar enough with debian this is nearly 100% avoidable |
| 16:09.02 | mike-burns | If it were just a broken vim or broken gnome-panel, that'd be great; if it's a broken apt-get, though, then I don't want that yet. |
| 16:09.06 | nvz | mike-burns: we have neat packages like apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges to help you avoid installing broken updates |
| 16:09.20 | mike-burns | Oh awesome, I'll check that out. |
| 16:09.35 | nvz | mike-burns: well most commonly its not the fact that a program doesn't work, its the fact that it fucks up the package system itself |
| 16:09.55 | mike-burns | Yipes. |
| 16:10.31 | nvz | mike-burns: you see the debian package system is so tightly integrated that simply a pre-install script exiting with an error or something could prevent you from doing ANYTHING else with ANY other package |
| 16:10.59 | nvz | mike-burns: if you know how to fix dependancy errors and stuff, and how to read changelogs, and use the BTS, then its not a big deal |
| 16:11.28 | nvz | mike-burns: bottom line is though as you said eariler, backports and such are better for production type environments |
| 16:11.41 | mike-burns | I know unix, but I don't know apt. So I'll hold off on anything that could break it. |
| 16:11.56 | nvz | mike-burns: using testing/unstable is more for people who are actually helping to test debian and iron out the stable version |
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| 16:14.48 | willwh | hi guya |
| 16:14.50 | willwh | guys* |
| 16:14.56 | willwh | anyone running debian in virtualbox? |
| 16:15.08 | nvz | you are |
| 16:15.17 | willwh | aside from myself |
| 16:15.19 | willwh | clearly |
| 16:15.25 | mguy | Seemed to work okay for me, what's your host |
| 16:15.26 | nvz | taking a usage poll? |
| 16:15.35 | willwh | windows7 64bit host |
| 16:15.43 | nvz | :-O |
| 16:15.45 | willwh | after installing guest additions - my gui is close to dead |
| 16:16.05 | nvz | willwh: have you been to #vbox |
| 16:16.06 | willwh | it works - when I left click, I get "current workspace: workspace 4" |
| 16:16.11 | willwh | nvz: yes |
| 16:16.17 | willwh | and scoured their bugtracker |
| 16:16.23 | nvz | willwh: not getting any help there? |
| 16:16.26 | willwh | nope |
| 16:16.32 | willwh | so I thought I would come and ask here quickly |
| 16:16.38 | willwh | incase anyone had run in to the same situation |
| 16:17.14 | nvz | willwh: never hurts, its just that virtual box for windows 7 is not a debian package, and as debian users we're not particularly experienced with it as a guest |
| 16:17.31 | nvz | just wanted to make sure you were asking the right people |
| 16:17.38 | willwh | absolutely |
| 16:18.01 | nvz | I run VirtualBox in debian all the time with WinXP as a guest |
| 16:18.11 | nvz | just never ran debian as a guest |
| 16:18.41 | nvz | I may be able to help you all Windows/VirtualBox stuff aside though if you can pastebin your xorg.log |
| 16:19.56 | nvz | the xserver in debian is on topic and within my realm of expertise, the rest of your questions about using virtual box and windows 7 isn't |
| 16:20.19 | willwh | alright, well, give me a few minutes :)( |
| 16:20.29 | willwh | appreciate the assistance, or offer of, thank you! |
| 16:20.39 | nvz | its not like I got anything else to do. |
| 16:21.12 | willwh | :) |
| 16:21.18 | willwh | I wish that were the case for me |
| 16:21.21 | nvz | my hulu history shows I've watched the entire first season of "The Secret Life Of An American Teenager" which is a HORRIBLE show.. so.. I'm clearly bored out of my mind |
| 16:21.24 | willwh | you're out of work currently? |
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| 16:21.35 | mcgregor | lol nvz :) |
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| 16:22.06 | nvz | willwh: yep, all execet for the work I can manage to find myself.. which has been battling windows scamware for people |
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| 16:22.51 | nvz | mcgregor: its no 7th heaven.. I can tell ya that.. I can at least tolerate that show |
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| 16:24.02 | mcgregor | nvz hehe ... currently I am on a stargate sg1 trip;) |
| 16:24.30 | mike-burns | So I had changed my apt sources to testing did the update+upgrade dance, and was just informed that I shouldn't do that. Can I simply set it back to stable and do the update,upgrade again? |
| 16:24.48 | nvz | mcgregor: eh.. that show almost amused me back in the day.. I'm not particularly into scifi. My fav scifi show today is Fringe.. but I won't have a new episode of that anytime soon |
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| 16:25.41 | nvz | mike-burns: if you want to upgrade to testing, you don't use "upgrade" |
| 16:25.55 | nvz | mike-burns: upgrade is for upgrading your current distro, i.e. security updates |
| 16:26.01 | nvz | mike-burns: you want dist-upgrade |
| 16:26.06 | mike-burns | Oh then, OK. |
| 16:26.11 | petemc | sounds like he doesnt, really |
| 16:26.14 | rgr | are there any know shostoppers problems and their fixes with latest testing update? My laptop now has no X at all. Black screen. I can login to gnome "blind" as when I do my user id and password the HD jumps into action and I can hear audio for starting apps like skype. It has not managed to go online either as I cant ssh in from another machine. I removed my xorg.conf completely to see if probing would work, but still nothing. even ctl-alt-f1 etc doesnt work. |
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| 16:26.34 | nvz | petemc: we talked about it a good bit earlier, and I thought he had decided NOT to use testing |
| 16:26.34 | petemc | mike-burns: you generally cant downgrade |
| 16:26.44 | petemc | oh right |
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| 16:26.57 | nvz | and was just going to use backports and stable |
| 16:27.09 | nvz | but hell if I know what he's doing.. I'm just answering questions.. heh |
| 16:27.21 | mike-burns | nvz: I have decided not to use testing ... after I decided a few hours ago to use it. |
| 16:27.33 | mike-burns | So my system is probably in some odd state. |
| 16:27.37 | nsadmin | having sait that, you will want your dist up to date before you actually upgrade, so |
| 16:27.37 | nvz | mike-burns: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
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| 16:27.44 | willwh | woops :) |
| 16:27.52 | mike-burns | nvz: 2.7-18lenny2 |
| 16:28.06 | nvz | !info libc6 stable |
| 16:28.09 | nsadmin | you will want to use upgrade -without- changing to testing yet |
| 16:28.34 | nsadmin | make sure your -stable- is up to date |
| 16:28.40 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 4633 kB, Installed size: 10904 kB |
| 16:28.50 | nvz | mike-burns: you're not longer running stable |
| 16:28.57 | nvz | mike-burns: downgrade is not possible |
| 16:29.00 | mike-burns | I'm trying to install libxml2-dev and it gives me: libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1) but 2.7.6.dfsg-2+b1 is to be installed |
| 16:29.03 | mike-burns | So. |
| 16:29.12 | mike-burns | I'll go back to testing. |
| 16:29.15 | mike-burns | OK. |
| 16:29.15 | nvz | mike-burns: your best two options are to either upgrade fully to testing, or reinstall stable |
| 16:29.28 | nsadmin | after that, then upgrade |
| 16:29.34 | nvz | mike-burns: once libc6 is migrated, you're at a point of no return |
| 16:29.47 | nvz | hehe |
| 16:29.57 | nsadmin | you don't have data you want to keep at this point do you? |
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| 16:30.19 | nvz | actually 2.7-18 is the latest version in stable |
| 16:30.24 | nvz | its what I have on here |
| 16:30.35 | nvz | dpkg is just not up to date |
| 16:30.35 | dpkg | nvz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:30.41 | nvz | still thinks that stable = etch |
| 16:30.45 | mike-burns | nsadmin: It's the middle of the workday and a re-install will take too long right now. |
| 16:30.45 | nvz | dpkg: you're a zoof |
| 16:30.46 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nvz |
| 16:31.03 | nvz | mike-burns: you might be alright.. |
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| 16:31.09 | mike-burns | So I'm trying to follow what you're all saying but might be lost. |
| 16:31.12 | steve_j | hi folks |
| 16:31.20 | nvz | mike-burns: what exactly have you done so far? |
| 16:31.22 | nsadmin | mike-burns: back up soon |
| 16:31.31 | nooper | hi steve jobs |
| 16:31.54 | steve_j | i've got a Lenny install from a VMWare image and it has /dev/sda1 set to 7.5GB -- is it possible to non-destructively increase the size of that partition? |
| 16:32.12 | mguy | Have you tried gnuparted |
| 16:32.34 | nvz | mguy: gnuparted not applicable |
| 16:32.44 | mike-burns | nvz: I cannot tell you exactly. I have changed my sources.list to be testing instead of stable, I then did apt-get update, upgrade. Then I opened synaptic and clicked, uh, Mark All Upgrades. Then clicked Apply. |
| 16:32.48 | steve_j | i've not tried anything yet |
| 16:32.57 | steve_j | all recommendations welcome tho |
| 16:33.14 | nvz | steve_j: thats not a question thats on topic here. what I can tell you is that the vmware image is the physical disk. as far as the guest is concerned, therefore it cannot resize beyond the limits of the VM and that image |
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| 16:33.41 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 16:33.50 | steve_j | nvz the VMware disk is 80GB |
| 16:34.06 | mike-burns | Oh, and I've since: changed my sources.list back to stable, ran update,upgrade, and dist-upgrade. |
| 16:34.18 | steve_j | so that would imply that i can resize that partition |
| 16:34.18 | nvz | steve_j: then yes, you can resize it up to 80gb provided that the space is unpartitioned, and this of course also depends on your filesystem |
| 16:34.20 | LuciusMare | i want to stream a video with vlc, but vlc keeps telling me that i dont have the requried codec, no matter if it is AAC, MPEG-2 video or so - always not found. How can i get them? |
| 16:34.28 | mike-burns | Basically I know more than enough to be dangerous, but not enough to know better. |
| 16:34.32 | steve_j | nvz cool thanks is there a recommended tool? |
| 16:34.40 | nvz | steve_j: what is the filesystem? |
| 16:35.06 | nsadmin | steve_j: is this a brand new install? |
| 16:35.18 | Honeyman | xyan: Isn't the Virtual directive used for virtual resolutions (in pixels) rather than for dimensions (in millimeters)? Seems so. |
| 16:35.27 | steve_j | i'm not sure what the filesytem is -- was handed a premade image. how could i check/ |
| 16:35.28 | steve_j | ? |
| 16:35.34 | nvz | steve_j: you could even download a partedmagic iso and use that as one of the CDROM drives in vmware, and resize it while offline would probably be the best option |
| 16:35.47 | steve_j | nsadmin it's a newish isntall, but i wouldn't want to bin the current data as it took a while to get installed |
| 16:35.52 | LuciusMare | hello? |
| 16:35.59 | Honeyman | xyan: DisplaySize seems to be the one, but it is ignored... |
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| 16:36.35 | mike-burns | OK, so, am I stuck with testing, or is there a way for me to go back to stable? |
| 16:36.51 | xyan | Honeyman: right, i messed that up |
| 16:37.06 | nsadmin | steve_j how much unpartitioned space do you have right now? |
| 16:37.29 | xyan | Honeyman: did you try to edit the kdmrc to start the xserver with -dpi 145? |
| 16:37.43 | steve_j | nsadmin 72.5GB |
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| 16:38.13 | nsadmin | steve_j: are you familiar with lvm? |
| 16:38.14 | steve_j | it's all one partition, so i guess that means cos it's a boot partition there's no way to increase it while running that OS? |
| 16:38.20 | steve_j | not at all i'm afraid |
| 16:38.24 | steve_j | today is going from bad to worse |
| 16:38.27 | Honeyman | xyan: I had a look at the Xorg.log and funny but it determines the size/dpi correctly at first, but later, loses the setting and resets it to 96x96. Weird. |
| 16:38.37 | LuciusMare | It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: |
| 16:38.41 | LuciusMare | MPEG AAC Audio. |
| 16:38.45 | LuciusMare | Oh, sorry |
| 16:38.50 | LuciusMare | i wanted to paste it one line |
| 16:39.05 | nvz | mike-burns: sorry lost track of what you were saying for a minute.. got people unplugging and moving stuff around me.. heh |
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| 16:39.16 | Honeyman | xyan: Not yet, and I'm afraid it is a too ugly hack; cause currently, the KDM is displayed improperly, too, and it better should be fixed at X level... |
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| 16:39.44 | mike-burns | nvz: Not a problem, and I appreciate your help a bunch. |
| 16:39.49 | nvz | mike-burns: I would imagine the most you could have done not doing a dist-upgrade is to have installed some testing packages where the package names were the same, and there were newer versions that were able to be cleanly installed |
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| 16:40.16 | nvz | mike-burns: your libc6 seems to still be consistant with Lenny |
| 16:40.29 | mike-burns | nvz: Excellent. How can I undo what I did? |
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| 16:40.44 | mike-burns | I see in Synaptic there's a way to force a version of e.g. libxml2. |
| 16:40.52 | nvz | mike-burns: there really is no "undo" in these situations. its a one-way system |
| 16:41.15 | nsadmin | steve_j lvm is a system where you take partitions and create what lvm calls "physical volumes" which then become free space for data partititions (which lvm calls "logical volumes" |
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| 16:41.26 | nvz | mike-burns: however if your core packages are still in tact you have half a chance at still running lenny without a reinstall |
| 16:41.34 | steve_j | nsadmin is it non-destructive? |
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| 16:41.47 | mike-burns | nvz: Yes, but how? |
| 16:41.54 | nsadmin | once you have that it becomes very easy to add space to logical volumes |
| 16:42.06 | nvz | mike-burns: if your libc6 is newer than 2.7-18 then you're running testing |
| 16:42.20 | xyan | Honeyman: well setting DisplaySize to higher/lower values to reduce/raise the dpi works here |
| 16:42.29 | mike-burns | nvz: It's 2.7-18lenny2 |
| 16:42.36 | nvz | mike-burns: well you would have to remove all packages that were upgraded and reinstall them |
| 16:42.39 | xyan | Honeyman: and both xdpyinfo and Xorg.0.log show the same |
| 16:42.47 | mike-burns | nvz: OK, thanks. |
| 16:42.49 | nsadmin | well to get you started we'd copy your data out to other partitions (this is a remote server?) |
| 16:42.52 | nvz | mike-burns: figuring out which were upgraded is a whole different story |
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| 16:43.21 | mike-burns | Heh, I'll figure it out as I go along I guess. |
| 16:43.35 | Honeyman | xyan: I have xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 if that matters. And you? |
| 16:43.36 | nsadmin | would you be interested in switching to such a system? |
| 16:43.56 | Honeyman | xyan: I suspect this started after this driver was upgraded today. |
| 16:44.05 | xyan | Honeyman: im on unstable, 2:2.9.1-2 as well |
| 16:44.14 | nsadmin | there would be a time cost of perhaps an hour or three. |
| 16:44.28 | xyan | Honeyman: might be related to xorg itself then or even kdm sets something on startup by default |
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| 16:44.55 | nvz | mike-burns: did it at any point fetch squeeze packages? |
| 16:45.18 | nvz | mike-burns: is your system currently badly broken? :-P |
| 16:45.44 | mike-burns | nvz: Well it's runing! It did download some stuff for about 30 minutes, then install it. |
| 16:45.52 | Honeyman | xyan: well, but it didn't before today. And also, my own KDE settings are set to non-enforce DPI (cause they don't have my DPI in the list anyway), but if I do enforce a different DPI, it works. |
| 16:45.56 | nsadmin | this would also involve downtime; if this machine is a production server, doing so would be a risky move, probably not a good idea |
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| 16:46.12 | mike-burns | I'm currently downgrading libxml2 and everything it suggests I downgrade as a result. |
| 16:46.13 | nsadmin | but |
| 16:46.41 | nvz | mike-burns: do you have everything on one partition? |
| 16:46.45 | mike-burns | Yes. |
| 16:47.26 | nvz | shakes his head |
| 16:47.26 | nvz | rookie mistake.. heh |
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| 16:47.26 | mike-burns | Hey, whoa, that's not a rookie mistake. |
| 16:47.26 | nsadmin | you could keep your / where it is and copy out subtrees to an lv |
| 16:47.36 | nvz | if you had a seperate /home at least, reinstalling would probably be much quicker and thorough |
| 16:47.40 | Honeyman | xyan: My Xorg.log is very interesting, http://pastebin.com/m24b3b752 |
| 16:47.48 | rgr | can anyone point me to fixes for the latest hassles with the squeeze update? Completely X-less and can not even C-alt-f1 to a shell. |
| 16:47.53 | nsadmin | no a rooky mistake would be shooting yourself in the foot while your gun is in its holster :) |
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| 16:48.19 | Honeyman | xyan: At lines 331-332, it perfectly detects the screen size, and does that even if I don't set the DisplaySize directive. |
| 16:48.29 | mike-burns | The /home is on github; it's the fact that I have vim and ruby working now that is stopping me from doing a re-install. |
| 16:49.14 | Honeyman | xyan: But then, at line 395, right after some GLX lines, it tells "Setting screen physical size to 370 x 277". Why the hell? |
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| 16:50.45 | nvz | rgr: well obviously you need to gain a shell first and foremost, so you need to boot single user by appending "single" or "init=/bin/sh" to your kernel command line |
| 16:50.52 | xyan | Honeyman: yeah i see |
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| 16:51.27 | nvz | rgr: were you using framebuffers, proprietary or 3rd party x drivers? any thing of that sort? |
| 16:51.28 | rgr | nvz: and then? I tried removing xorg.conf completely. I tried setting driver to vesa. Nothing. |
| 16:51.59 | xyan | Honeyman: just tried to alter the DisplaySize setting and it works for me. the "Display dimensions:" and "Setting screen physical size" show what i specified in xorg.conf |
| 16:52.08 | xyan | Honeyman: i can pastebin my config |
| 16:52.11 | nvz | rgr: I can't help you with the shots in the dark. I'm more read the logs and address the issues kinda guy.. heh |
| 16:52.13 | rgr | nvz: whats the command to create a xorg.conf on squeeze? |
| 16:52.22 | Honeyman | xyan: pastebin it please. |
| 16:52.44 | xyan | Honeyman: http://pastebin.com/f2700e002 |
| 16:52.50 | rgr | this is a complete disaster ;( |
| 16:52.52 | Honeyman | xyan: these "enforced" dimensions perfectly fit as if my DPI was 96x96. |
| 16:52.58 | abrotman | rgr: X -configure |
| 16:53.02 | rgr | thanks |
| 16:53.06 | rgr | brb |
| 16:53.31 | xyan | Honeyman: i had to use DisplaySize since my edid values report 21mm instead of 211 |
| 16:53.59 | xyan | Honeyman: does xrandr show the correct size? |
| 16:54.07 | zinx | what is it about EDIDs that monitor makers never seem to be able to get them right |
| 16:55.07 | xyan | plain sloppiness i guess |
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| 16:56.32 | Honeyman | xyan: xrandr --verbose says nothing either of DPI or of physical size |
| 16:56.40 | rgr | dit that, copied the new one. startx and the screen flashes a few times and stays black. |
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| 16:56.52 | nvz | imagine that.. |
| 16:57.06 | nvz | so I'm guessing you're ready to read the logs now? |
| 16:57.22 | rgr | how ironic. The day I sign and submit my fsf papers. Gah. |
| 16:57.27 | nvz | or do you want us to tell you how to do more stuff that may or may not work? |
| 16:58.55 | rgr | in addition, if i leave it there with the black screen for a minute the HD light comes on, stays on the machine locks up. so thinkpad owners - stay away from squeeze update! |
| 16:59.04 | Honeyman | xyan: Btw I heard that the X.org configuration is being changed, some configuration is becoming unsupported in xorg.conf and moved to hal, and even becomes unsupported via hal... Do you have any idea what is the current status of that in Squeeze, and how the stuff should be configured? |
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| 16:59.06 | nvz | heh |
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| 16:59.31 | amphi | rgr: you have an intel card in that? |
| 16:59.40 | xyan | Honeyman: i got rid of hal |
| 16:59.40 | Honeyman | xyan: Cause seems it lost my trackpoint configuration once again, and I even reconfigured it once some time ago to use hal. |
| 16:59.41 | LuciusMare | when i try to stream something by vlc, i get this: It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: MPEG AAC Audio." (Depending on what i put there, of course, it is also mpeg-2 video, or lame encoder) - Any ideas? |
| 16:59.49 | rgr | amphi: yes - old 82830 or whatever it is |
| 16:59.52 | rgr | ghc |
| 16:59.58 | nvz | my thinkpad has an ATI |
| 16:59.59 | xyan | Honeyman: yeah there are fdi xml files to setup stuff in /etc/hal/fdi or somewhere |
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| 17:00.06 | amphi | rgr: what thinkpad is it? |
| 17:00.10 | rgr | x30 |
| 17:00.22 | xyan | Honeyman: i found that feature useless and disabled it, still doing my config manual |
| 17:00.23 | rgr | working like a rock until today. And I have a f****** deadline tonight. |
| 17:00.30 | nvz | and I have a great recipie for lunch too, but none of that beats a log file for shit not working |
| 17:00.36 | Honeyman | xyan: Uhh. It can be disabled? |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | rgr: my thinkpads run great with squeeze |
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| 17:01.02 | rgr | amphi: any ideas on making it wake up? even previous kernel doesnt work |
| 17:01.05 | xyan | Honeyman: i dont even have hal installed ;) see the config i pasted section Serverflags first two options |
| 17:01.05 | Honeyman | xyan: By something less intrusive than the package recompilation, I hope :) |
| 17:01.09 | abrotman | and they have intel VGA devices |
| 17:01.10 | rgr | abrotman: thats nice. So did mine until now ;( |
| 17:01.15 | abrotman | rgr: i think you did it |
| 17:01.24 | rgr | abrotman: you probably do. |
| 17:01.30 | nvz | abrotman: I think he has something against reading log files |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | nvz: i don't doubt it |
| 17:01.38 | rgr | All that happened was a weekly aptitude update. |
| 17:01.59 | nvz | abrotman: I've been trying to get him to stop doing random stuff and either read the log or give it to me to read for a while now |
| 17:02.15 | rgr | and the debian forums suggest I'm not alone. But no solutions found yet. Normally going to vesa solves it. Not this time. |
| 17:02.17 | abrotman | nvz: that would imply he actually wants help, instead of just a place to whine ... |
| 17:02.29 | greycat | rgr: do you have a URL for one of these forum posts? |
| 17:02.35 | abrotman | rgr: tried booting your old kernel ? |
| 17:02.39 | LuciusMare | hello? nobody has the same issues? |
| 17:02.48 | rgr | 3rd one in installation- |
| 17:02.54 | Honeyman | xyan: Interesting. So that should bring the DontZap back too, I suppose. Extra profit. |
| 17:02.56 | rgr | abrotman: yes. |
| 17:02.59 | nvz | abrotman: I could whine about being hungry for awhile instead of making lunch if thats what we're doing in here.. |
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| 17:03.43 | nvz | eyes the 4 large bags of doritos in front of him |
| 17:04.01 | Josh`` | Is there a way to use WPA2 on my "Master mode - enabled" WLAN card without having to do any bridging? |
| 17:04.11 | nvz | goes to see what kind of real food there is |
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| 17:04.33 | greycat | I suppose he assumes I know what "installation-" means. |
| 17:04.45 | rgr | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=48883 |
| 17:05.02 | greycat | thanks |
| 17:05.12 | LuciusMare | Oh, great, issue solved, thanks for everyone involved! |
| 17:05.25 | Honeyman | xyan: Let's check this approach... |
| 17:06.27 | rgr | unfortunately it seems the firmware update has screwed over the intel wireless card too. This means no network to ssh into. Yoinks. |
| 17:06.29 | greycat | I happened to attempt to run the 2.6.32 kernel in sid last night, and shortly after doing so, my file systems all imploded. Even after reverting back to 2.6.31, I still got the implosion after an hour or so, so I powered it off and I planned to replace the hard disk tonight. |
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| 17:07.05 | greycat | By implosion I mean specifically things like "/bin/df: no such file or directory" accompanied by file system error messages in the kernel's log (not that I could run dmesg at the time) |
| 17:07.57 | nvz | kudos, I throw em aside and get another computer when that happens. heh |
| 17:07.58 | rgr | greycat: well, theres something going on on the x30 that I cant see - as I say the HD is going on and staying on. This is looking very ominous. Thank god I gitted all my work config files the past few days on a remote git hub. |
| 17:08.09 | nvz | haven't used my thinkpad in months, cause my hd crapped out |
| 17:08.17 | greycat | So I have no idea whether the disk/cable/mobo is actually failing, or if the upgrade corrupted the living hell out of something so much that it couldn't even run stably on an older kernel afterward. |
| 17:08.41 | rgr | works great for abrotman's thinkpads. |
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| 17:11.47 | greycat | rgr, was there a kernel upgrade involved in your case, or just the X stuff? |
| 17:12.13 | rgr | it was a big update. moved to the .32 kernel too. |
| 17:12.23 | abrotman | but you said the old kernel doesn't fix it |
| 17:12.27 | rgr | Sure I saw X libs being update too |
| 17:12.33 | rgr | abrotman: I know I did. And? |
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| 17:16.27 | mcgregor | from what kernel did you move? maybe kms got activated and it doesnt work? |
| 17:16.36 | mcgregor | *move=upgrade |
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| 17:16.55 | Honeyman | xyan: Funny. No change at all. Even the DontZap was not reset, and I still cannot kill X with C-Alt-BS |
| 17:18.26 | mcgregor | rgr, 2 things you should check: dmesg (kernel log) /var/log/dmesg (simply start "dmesg" after booting) , and if itis X -> check what /var/log/Xorg.0.log says |
| 17:19.19 | greycat | if you had to power cycle the box, it might be /var/log/dmesg.0 and so on, to get the old ones |
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| 17:20.46 | Aleks01 | hey there, i have a closed network, with only one machine access to the deb repositories, what would be the best way to make a central repository? havent found anything good through google |
| 17:20.56 | greycat | wow, the stuff on http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting is scary |
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| 17:22.09 | rgr | mcgregor: from the .30 kernel. |
| 17:22.31 | rgr | kms? |
| 17:23.06 | mcgregor | kernel mode setting .. do you see any change of resolution while booting? |
| 17:23.28 | greycat | Aleks01: easiest thing to do is set up a squid proxy and have the other machines apt-get through that |
| 17:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean because of it's so... extensive? |
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| 17:23.57 | Honeyman | xyan: Uh, I just noticed that xrandr does say "LVDS1 connected 1400x1050+0+0 (0x43) normal (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 245mm x 184mm", i.e. proper size. |
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| 17:24.54 | rgr | mcgregor: not during normal "log" as it books but then screen flashes. I know there is a gnome prompt there but screen is on but black. |
| 17:25.00 | rgr | s/books/boots |
| 17:25.18 | Aleks01 | greycat, unfortunately i have a M$ Proxy |
| 17:25.22 | JordiGH | I don't see anything in d-d-a about squeeze freeze. Shouldn't it be happening soon? |
| 17:25.38 | Aleks01 | greycat, and I hate using ntlm auth with linux :-) |
| 17:25.39 | JordiGH | 18-month release cycle. :-) |
| 17:25.45 | DEbiansqueeze | what does hotplug do to network interfaces that ifplugd does not do? |
| 17:26.30 | JordiGH | Heh, "squeeze freeze, Louise!" |
| 17:26.48 | mcgregor | rgr, hmm so first you see the console output and then the screen gets black when GDM should appear for login (the login screen)? |
| 17:26.56 | DEbiansqueeze | now stationaty |
| 17:27.02 | greycat | I'd suggest we do -not- "please freeze squeeze" right now.... |
| 17:27.27 | rgr | mcgregor: yup. like the bad old days after a nvidia driver update on my main machine ;) |
| 17:27.32 | JordiGH | greycat: Well, lenny is almost a year old... freeze time takes about six months, doesn't it? |
| 17:27.37 | rgr | but this time even setting vesa does not work |
| 17:28.03 | themill | JordiGH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html |
| 17:28.12 | rgr | I even tried removing xorg.conf completely. (What is the status of xorg.conf'less booting? No one seems to know) |
| 17:28.16 | greycat | JordiGH: and we have two or more people in the channel right now complaining about X not working |
| 17:28.37 | JordiGH | hopes six months is enough time to fix X. |
| 17:28.50 | DEbiansqueeze | whats the matter with x? |
| 17:29.09 | JordiGH | themill: Ah, march 2010. |
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| 17:29.30 | mcgregor | rgr, ok, then it is quite sure X crashes for some reason. well, I suggest you boot the machine as single user - as X wont get started, connect some eth-cable to it or copy thge /var/log/Xorg.0.log to some usb device and paste it please, if you can'tsee anything specal in there |
| 17:29.39 | JordiGH | goes look at the RC bugs |
| 17:29.55 | greycat | rgr: dunno. On my Lenny box here at work, I had to make an xorg.conf file with my LCD monitor's resolution in it. |
| 17:29.59 | rgr | mcgregor: yeah. doing a boot to cingle mode now. then see dmesg. then ethernet. |
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| 17:30.11 | mcgregor | rgr, usually you dont need xorg.conf anymore since Xorg is doing auto-configuring |
| 17:30.15 | greycat | I'm not about to attempt to run testing or unstable at work these days. |
| 17:30.20 | JordiGH | Wow, do we really have twice more RC bugs right now than ever in history? |
| 17:30.34 | rgr | mcgregor: I know usually. Bit it didnt work on either my laptop or my main desktop. |
| 17:30.38 | JordiGH | greycat: Yeah, I'm using lenny at work, testing on the laptop. |
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| 17:31.15 | rgr | multiple heads didnt work and my German keyboard was not german anymore. |
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| 17:32.39 | rgr | mcgregor: laptio next to me now but off line ( no cable). logged in as root. |
| 17:33.02 | JordiGH | greycat: testing is working more or less ok for me, but yeah, it is buggy. No data loss yet, though. :-) |
| 17:33.58 | greycat | that's better than I can say after last night's 2.6.32 kernel and/or hard drive disaster |
| 17:34.01 | DEbiansqueeze | the move from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 was kinda brutal for me took about 2 days to get everything right |
| 17:34.19 | mcgregor | hmm I am using sid/unstable since my first days of debian and I never had any data loss :) |
| 17:34.35 | greycat | mcgregor: frankly, you've been lucky. |
| 17:34.35 | JordiGH | kinda hopes hard drive disasters don't trickle down to testing. |
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| 17:34.49 | rgr | I nevr had data loss. Just hair loss. Ye gods. Its my intel wireless not supported all of a sudden. |
| 17:34.52 | mcgregor | and thats now ~7,5 years |
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| 17:34.56 | JordiGH | I really should backup my hard drive. |
| 17:35.31 | Devastator | greycat yesterday I upgraded my testing to 2.6.32 and my monitor died :D I also discovered that consolekit bug was back :( |
| 17:35.52 | rgr | Devastator: sounds like here. |
| 17:35.59 | DEbiansqueeze | consolekit breaking dependencies? |
| 17:36.07 | greycat | monitor failed electrically, or X just wouldn't work? |
| 17:36.24 | rgr | ok, according to mdesg my ipw2200 card/firmware is loaded. so how to bring up networkd? |
| 17:36.31 | Devastator | greycat monitor entered in a infinite loop, not X related |
| 17:36.42 | JordiGH | What? |
| 17:36.44 | JordiGH | ipw2200? |
| 17:36.48 | JordiGH | Isn't that waaay obsolete? |
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| 17:36.54 | Devastator | DEbiansqueeze I really can't say, but can't power down as user |
| 17:37.16 | JordiGH | As in, didn't intel release newer drivers? |
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| 17:37.51 | DEbiansqueeze | rgr are you trying to restart networking? |
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| 17:38.17 | JordiGH | There's a pretty large recent oscillation in the number of RC bugs. I wonder if that's related to DFSG bugs that were tagged squeeze-ignore. |
| 17:38.37 | rgr | JordiGH: dont know if it is or not. just know it worked fine before with wpa. |
| 17:39.01 | rgr | trying to ping says nw unreachable. |
| 17:39.07 | JordiGH | rgr: Well, it's not anymore. Are you sure that's the right driver? You should get a wireless interface if you modprobe the right driver. |
| 17:40.03 | DEbiansqueeze | iwconfig show the card? |
| 17:40.04 | rgr | JordiGH: I dont know. It worked before. I dont know what I'm looking at. How do I start the netwrok from command line as root? |
| 17:40.16 | rgr | yes eth2 |
| 17:40.18 | JordiGH | rgr: Do you see a wireless interface in ifconfig? |
| 17:40.20 | JordiGH | eth2? |
| 17:40.32 | JordiGH | That doesn't sound like a wireless interface. |
| 17:40.33 | rgr | yes eth2. its always been eth2 |
| 17:40.39 | rgr | huh? |
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| 17:40.49 | rgr | but its off |
| 17:40.55 | barque | How do I install GTK+ 2.0 sources? |
| 17:41.00 | JordiGH | You didn't hit the kill switch? :-) |
| 17:41.03 | echa | how can i set apt to automatically trust a package repository? |
| 17:41.10 | barque | I tried aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 17:41.11 | greycat | barque: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:41.25 | peterrooney | barque: man apt-src |
| 17:41.28 | greycat | barque: *-dev packages are headers and libraries for compiling other apps against them |
| 17:41.28 | rgr | so I'm full screen irc with no X here too, so if you could let ne know how to start it that would be great |
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| 17:41.48 | barque | ahh alright, where was the mirrior list again? |
| 17:41.52 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 17:41.54 | DEbiansqueeze | startx |
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| 17:42.28 | DEbiansqueeze | etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:42.43 | DEbiansqueeze | put a forward slash in front will restart networking |
| 17:42.50 | rooisto47 | can I generate a debianLive.img (using live-helper & dd) from ubuntu ? |
| 17:43.32 | rgr | ok but eth2 is still off. good signal et. So how do I scan and connect to network fro mcommand line? |
| 17:43.41 | rgr | (I used wicd before) |
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| 17:44.10 | xyan | iwlist eth2 scan |
| 17:44.21 | barque | I have deb-src on my sources.list |
| 17:44.47 | barque | both nrc.ca and security.debian.org |
| 17:45.03 | rgr | ok I can see networks. so how to connect to my wpa wap? |
| 17:45.11 | DEbiansqueeze | iwlist wlan0 scan here |
| 17:45.15 | rgr | (xyan : thanks) |
| 17:45.32 | xyan | rgr: you need wpa_supplicant for wpa/wpa2 |
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| 17:45.43 | porton | I can't "telnet localhost 21" with this MuddleFTPd config: http://pastebin.com/m5050576f - why? |
| 17:45.44 | barque | I tried aptitude install libgtk2.0-dev but /usr/include/gtk* isn't there |
| 17:45.49 | rgr | I was connected fine before this squeeze update |
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| 17:46.09 | xyan | rgr: iwconfig --help tells you how to configure things, google for wpa_supplicant though |
| 17:46.16 | JordiGH | ooh, two rc bugs in Octave. |
| 17:46.30 | rgr | I cant google. I have no X... |
| 17:46.37 | greycat | lynx |
| 17:46.42 | xyan | w3m |
| 17:46.44 | xyan | :O |
| 17:46.46 | xyan | curl |
| 17:46.47 | xyan | wget |
| 17:46.56 | DEbiansqueeze | or install X |
| 17:46.58 | barque | hello? can anyone help? |
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| 17:47.02 | xyan | rgr: anyway man wpa_supplicant ? |
| 17:47.16 | JordiGH | Why do closed bugs still show up in the official RC bug count? |
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| 17:48.34 | ||arifaX | I know ther is a bannter application to make ascii art banners scrollers on the command line. what is it called, please help me out, can't remember |
| 17:48.47 | mcgregor | rgr, why dont you first try tio fix X , and then play with wireless? |
| 17:48.51 | JordiGH | ||arifaX: I'll give you three guesses... |
| 17:48.55 | greycat | ||arifaX: banner is one. |
| 17:48.55 | mcgregor | would be probbaly much easier |
| 17:49.00 | rgr | mcgregor: true then wicd might work again. |
| 17:49.09 | rgr | ok xorg.log ... |
| 17:49.17 | ||arifaX | JordiGH: Oh my god - I am so stupid -thanks |
| 17:49.27 | JordiGH | ||arifaX: Happens in the best of families. |
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| 17:50.10 | rgr | last line in xorg log is "Suspending AIGLX clients for VT Switch" if that means anything to anyone |
| 17:50.59 | mcgregor | dont you have some device, usb hdd, usb stick you could copy the log onto? |
| 17:51.30 | nvz | rgr: if the last line were the solely important one, don't you think they'd just be one line logs? |
| 17:51.31 | barque | ok I install dpkg-dev as well |
| 17:51.34 | barque | to no avail |
| 17:51.35 | greycat | that doesn't sound too dissimilar to KMS stuff |
| 17:51.45 | greycat | barque: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:51.45 | JordiGH | Oh, god. |
| 17:51.47 | barque | can anyone help me with installing gtk2-dev |
| 17:51.51 | JordiGH | A GPL clickthrough in Debian software. |
| 17:51.55 | DEbiansqueeze | will x star with vesa? |
| 17:51.57 | JordiGH | Can I file a bug for that? |
| 17:52.00 | DEbiansqueeze | start |
| 17:52.00 | barque | gtk2-dev |
| 17:52.08 | greycat | barque: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 17:52.09 | nvz | barque: apt-get install gtk2-dev |
| 17:52.19 | barque | yeah I did it, the include files are nowhere |
| 17:52.28 | greycat | barque: dpkg -L libgtk2.0-dev | grep include |
| 17:52.29 | nvz | whoo greycat was not only faster, but resolved the correct package name |
| 17:52.29 | rgr | DEbiansqueeze: no |
| 17:52.35 | nvz | bows |
| 17:54.03 | barque | ok it fails grabbing libpng or something |
| 17:54.05 | DEbiansqueeze | is dpkg still used to reconfigure x i jave been letting nvidia do it for to long i forgot |
| 17:54.16 | barque | eventhough I thought it was installed , apparently it isn't |
| 17:54.35 | barque | 404 error |
| 17:54.42 | barque | any other mirrors than nrc.ca/ |
| 17:54.44 | barque | ?* |
| 17:55.04 | greycat | barque: apt-get update (or aptitude update, if you use that) |
| 17:55.10 | nvz | DEbiansqueeze: actually we don't really configure X anymore |
| 17:55.15 | greycat | barque: then install libgtk2.0-dev |
| 17:55.33 | DEbiansqueeze | thats weird |
| 17:55.40 | barque | ahh alright |
| 17:55.51 | nvz | DEbiansqueeze: yeah, you can if you want to, but its usually not required |
| 17:56.09 | DEbiansqueeze | well thats pretty sweet |
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| 17:57.06 | nvz | DEbiansqueeze: dpkg-reconfigure still does basically the same thing, but there is no config file anymore unless you implicitly create one |
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| 17:57.29 | DEbiansqueeze | i see |
| 17:57.47 | barque | nice it worked! thanks greycat |
| 17:57.53 | nvz | DEbiansqueeze: I'm not real big on X, but as I understand it seems to get cues from HAL now and not need a config really |
| 17:58.16 | simonrvn | DEbiansqueeze: X -configure then edit that if you want one |
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| 18:02.50 | DEbiansqueeze | will the nv drivers ever support 3d acceleration? |
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| 18:03.36 | simonrvn | doubt it. nouveau tries. |
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| 18:04.42 | km | can i tell is apache is build with enable-so (dso)? |
| 18:04.43 | simonrvn | mind you, i tried to use it last year, so it might have gotten better |
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| 18:05.05 | simonrvn | km: it already does have dso support |
| 18:05.29 | km | how can i tell? |
| 18:05.33 | DEbiansqueeze | thanks for that i will have to check it out only thing i need it for is google earth |
| 18:05.48 | km | i want to verify that is the case? |
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| 18:06.12 | DEbiansqueeze | i want to dump the nvidia drivers so bad |
| 18:06.14 | nvz | google earth didn't seem to work for me last I tried it, but it was on 64bit.. so.. |
| 18:06.18 | JordiGH | The intel drivers suddenly got really good. |
| 18:06.24 | simonrvn | km: ls -l /etc/apache2 |
| 18:06.24 | JordiGH | Nexuiz plays pretty well on intel chipset. |
| 18:06.26 | km | with httpd -l and look for "enable-so" ? |
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| 18:06.37 | nvz | JordiGH: now if only their hardware was any good.. lol |
| 18:06.38 | DEbiansqueeze | yeah im running 64 bit now google earth is great with nvidia drivers |
| 18:06.44 | JordiGH | nvz: lol nexuiz is good lol |
| 18:07.10 | DEbiansqueeze | but unusable with nv |
| 18:07.15 | rgr | nvz: I dont know what you're supposed to be implying with that smart alec comment about the last line -- clearly there is more info in the log but since that one is the only one that hints at things amiss its the only one I quoted :) |
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| 18:07.22 | JordiGH | Non-free drivers, non-free software. |
| 18:07.33 | JordiGH | DEbiansqueeze: You are an embarrassment to everything Debian stands for. |
| 18:07.42 | JordiGH | DEbiansqueeze: You are not worthy of your nick. Kindly remove it. |
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| 18:08.31 | DEbiansqueeze | also using adobe |
| 18:08.40 | rgr | Even I balk at adobe .. :) |
| 18:08.42 | nvz | rgr: I work on the assumption that if I could only gain as much as you can from a log, then there is no reason for you to share it with me. But I was interested like two hours ago.. now I'm not. |
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| 18:08.55 | rgr | Its not about you. |
| 18:09.05 | JordiGH | DEbiansqueeze: I bet you installed the bash manual too. |
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| 18:09.33 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:09.35 | DEbiansqueeze | why pick on me? |
| 18:09.49 | km | run try to build a customer php with ./configure --with-apxs2=/apache2/bin/apxs and i fail with messages said apxs is not available or apache with build with enable-so... any ideas? |
| 18:09.52 | JordiGH | vrms would not be proud |
| 18:10.14 | simonrvn | km: um, you need development packages for it installed |
| 18:10.22 | echa | how do i stop apt complaining about untrusted repos? |
| 18:10.28 | km | what devel? |
| 18:10.34 | JordiGH | echa: "aptitude update"? |
| 18:10.42 | simonrvn | !tell km -about search |
| 18:11.04 | JordiGH | Hm, 18 non-free packages here. |
| 18:11.23 | JordiGH | That's a lot! But I'm only embarrassed about Skype. |
| 18:11.33 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:11.59 | rgr | You should encourage skype. |
| 18:12.11 | echa | JodiGH: i've done that, aptitude is complaining about an untrusted repo with a big WARNING sign |
| 18:12.18 | echa | it is my own repo |
| 18:12.26 | simonrvn | echa: you need the gpg key installed |
| 18:12.29 | echa | i just want to switch the GPG key checking off |
| 18:12.29 | JordiGH | rgr: I think it's going to be easier to reverse engineer the Skype protocol than to convince them to release specs. |
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| 18:12.40 | rgr | By attracting more and more people to the likes of debian with the ability to actually "skype" their family then the more chance of pushes for open substitutes happening. |
| 18:12.55 | echa | or, how can i generate a GPG key for my repo |
| 18:13.08 | echa | but i'd rather just switch it off |
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| 18:13.20 | rgr | I mean almost no one uses Ekiga (if it works) and trying to get people to install it in addition to Skype just doesnt work. |
| 18:13.29 | simonrvn | echa: either way you have to configure something. pick one. |
| 18:13.34 | JordiGH | A lot of my non-free packages are fonts when I tried to install absolutely every font in order to not get boxes anymore on Wikipedia's front page. |
| 18:13.35 | echa | diable |
| 18:13.38 | echa | disable |
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| 18:13.50 | echa | i would rather disable GPG key checking |
| 18:13.53 | JordiGH | rgr: I use ekiga quite a bit too. |
| 18:14.26 | simonrvn | this is where i get off. |
| 18:14.37 | echa | why |
| 18:14.44 | rgr | I wanted to, but no one else does (relatively speaking). So using skype is GOOD. I shows people the CAN use Linux and lots of Free SW but still use some of their "must have apps" like Skype. |
| 18:15.02 | echa | the machine is a VM on an internal network, it does not have and will never have internet access |
| 18:15.11 | echa | security is not an issue |
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| 18:16.06 | bartmon | hi! i use squeeze and recently a new kernel has been pushed which moves firmware files out from the linux-image-2.6 package into firmware-linux-free and -nonfree. I have a wifi card that uses the b43 chipset and the installer was very unclear where the firmware for this was moved. Can you help how i can make sure the firmware will be found when i reboot my machine? |
| 18:16.24 | JordiGH | rgr: I don't give a crap about what other people use. I just want my OS to be good and free. |
| 18:17.01 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.14 | rgr | JordiGH: ok, then you're all about you. Fine. |
| 18:17.54 | rgr | For me its a trade off to encourage people to make the first step away from MS like systems. |
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| 18:18.03 | echa | rgr, i'm using cron-apt to update, does that CLI option have a corresponding configuration in a file somewhere? |
| 18:18.18 | rgr | echa: I dont know to be honest. |
| 18:18.30 | JordiGH | rgr: My point is that yeah, it would be nice if everyone used free software, but proselytising is a doomed strategy. You work on the software, you make it good, you make it work, you make it free, and they'll come on their own. You work to improve free software, you don't use non-free software in order to attract more people. |
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| 18:18.37 | abrotman | echa: did you check the sample apt.conf on your system ? |
| 18:18.37 | echa | bartmon: did you install b43-fwcutter? |
| 18:18.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:19.01 | bartmon | echa: yes, that way rewuired to make the wifi card even work. |
| 18:19.08 | bartmon | sorry, required |
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| 18:19.21 | echa | abrotman /etc/apt/apt.conf contains nothing |
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| 18:20.15 | echa | ah in /usr/share/doc |
| 18:20.26 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.41 | gorthaug | hi, i've a window that say me "your system had a kernel failure" in which log can i see the failure?... |
| 18:20.49 | bartmon | ruben23: have you looked at trac? |
| 18:21.44 | bartmon | gorthaug: /var/log/kern.log |
| 18:22.40 | ruben23 | bartmon:the installation is complex, ive tried and failed. |
| 18:22.57 | bluejeans | good day all. i *really* need aufs but am seeing that all the aufs packages have been removed from squeeze... does anyone know what's going on with that? |
| 18:23.14 | bluejeans | seems like they were taken down last week sometime |
| 18:23.28 | gorthaug | bartmon, thanks |
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| 18:23.49 | bluejeans | anyone know where is can get aufs? |
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| 18:24.46 | lenswipe | on my debian install GDM is kinda flaky and sometimes fails to start |
| 18:24.48 | bartmon | ruben23: I've never completed it myself. Lacked motivation. Hope someone else can assist - maybe in #trac |
| 18:24.52 | lenswipe | anyone come accross this issue? |
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| 18:25.32 | ruben23 | bartmon:hope there are simple ticket system..easy to install |
| 18:25.37 | bluejeans | lenswipe: had that once yesterday... |
| 18:26.06 | lenswipe | yeah sometimes it works like a dream then othertimes i get the "X SERVER FAILED TO START" with kinda red lights and bells flashing |
| 18:26.25 | lenswipe | like i actually have right now actually, if i ask to see the x server output i get presented with a blank page with an OK button at the bottom |
| 18:26.49 | lenswipe | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:27.05 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 18:27.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and 42 three-legged platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:27.29 | dwq | !enter |
| 18:27.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 18:27.31 | lenswipe | um.....ok |
| 18:27.32 | dwq | while we're at it :) |
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| 18:28.29 | DEbiansqueeze | and welcome lenswipe |
| 18:28.36 | lenswipe | thanks |
| 18:28.38 | lenswipe | :) |
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| 18:29.28 | echa | abrotman, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. echo "APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ;" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:29.44 | abrotman | echa: see .. documentation is good! |
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| 18:30.38 | gorthaug | mmmm anybody can help me with this -> http://pastebin.com/m22044e37 it's my kern.log i think that the problem start in line 389 |
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| 18:30.46 | Sergio` | How do I allow to run /usr/sbin/adduser $username in sudoers? It reads correctly $username but sudo does not allow it. |
| 18:31.06 | pengol | hi there ... is it possible with fetchmail to upload mails to an imap mailbox? |
| 18:31.07 | greycat | Sergio`: $username is expanded by your shell |
| 18:31.35 | greycat | hah, one person in ##fetchmail |
| 18:31.36 | echa | abrotman: but it says APT::GET, will this also work with cron-apt? |
| 18:31.45 | echa | i mean, does cron-apt just run apt-get? |
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| 18:31.57 | Sergio` | greycat: how to make it in sudoers? To run a command with a variable? |
| 18:32.13 | greycat | Sergio`: it's not "with a variable". It's "with an argument". |
| 18:32.28 | greycat | Sergio`: allowing /usr/sbin/adduser doesn't work? |
| 18:32.35 | lenswipe | so can someone help me out with X server |
| 18:32.46 | EagleRock | Sergio`: do you have issues granting access to adduser overall? |
| 18:32.48 | lenswipe | im not sure what you want me to pastebin and look at, but name the file and ill do it |
| 18:33.17 | abrotman | echa: i'd assume, i don't use cron-apt |
| 18:33.27 | echa | ok |
| 18:33.35 | echa | i'll find out after 5am i guess... |
| 18:33.45 | Sergio` | greycat: Works but I wanted /usr/sbin/adduser $variable and so, sudoers would allow /usr/sbin/adduser john and allow /usr/sbin/adduser peter and so on. |
| 18:34.20 | EagleRock | Sergio`: granting access to the command allows the sudoer to enter whatever arguments the command normally takes |
| 18:34.25 | greycat | Sergio`: $variable is expanded BY YOUR SHELL before adduser or sudo is executed |
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| 18:34.48 | DEbiansqueeze | gorthaug are you using ubuntu? |
| 18:34.50 | greycat | Sergio`: sudo doesn't know whether you typed "sudo adduser john" or "sudo adduser $username" or "sudo adduser j*" |
| 18:35.11 | greycat | Sergio`: if you want to *force* a specific invocation, write a script, and allow sudo access only to that script |
| 18:35.12 | gorthaug | DEbiansqueeze, nop, i'm using debian 5.0 |
| 18:35.20 | Sergio` | Thanks, problem solved. |
| 18:35.42 | DEbiansqueeze | yeah sorry i saw the rest sorry |
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| 18:41.24 | HackeMate | hello |
| 18:42.02 | HackeMate | when i download something from a ftp server, the files downloaded doesn't have the proper attributes, it looks as the owner or the group is different to myself |
| 18:42.11 | HackeMate | is a problem of ftp server or is my client? |
| 18:42.17 | greycat | that would be your client |
| 18:42.40 | HackeMate | filezilla, some forum or website where i can find information? |
| 18:43.04 | HackeMate | i was reading the configuration interfaze and i dont see anything wrong or special to configure those things |
| 18:43.20 | greycat | what's the user/group of the files? |
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| 18:44.05 | dwq | HackeMate: try googling filezilla file attributes, I found a few results there that looked promising |
| 18:44.13 | HackeMate | it shows my name and my group, but i know it is wrong becuase i need make a chown -R to get access to all files (is a long structure, a game indeed) |
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| 18:44.31 | HackeMate | oh, thank you dwq, i go try too |
| 18:44.37 | greycat | so the files themselves are correctly owned, but some directory is not? |
| 18:44.44 | HackeMate | exactly, greycat |
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| 18:45.46 | greycat | and this directory was created by you, or by this program? |
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| 18:45.59 | HackeMate | by the program, i download a directory |
| 18:46.36 | greycat | arc3:~$ mkdir /tmp/foo; chown root /tmp/foo |
| 18:46.36 | greycat | chown: changing ownership of `/tmp/foo': Operation not permitted |
| 18:46.51 | greycat | I don't even see how that's possible. You can't chown a dir to someone else as a non-root user in Debian. |
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| 18:47.12 | HackeMate | if you are an user how could you assign a file to root |
| 18:47.12 | greycat | Unless of course this program runs as root. |
| 18:47.21 | HackeMate | no it doesn't obviously |
| 18:47.28 | greycat | nothing is obvious at this point |
| 18:47.35 | HackeMate | lol true that :) |
| 18:47.35 | greycat | this is not a program with which I'm familiar at all |
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| 18:48.13 | HackeMate | im reading a webpage where talking about file attributes, and version 2.x |
| 18:48.23 | HackeMate | i go just try if non-beta has this issue then |
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| 18:49.39 | rgr | yee ha. x back. as usual had to hard code the depth and resolution mode. Also remove a screen 1 definition - I dont have dual head. |
| 18:50.07 | alreadygone | hi, how do I ssh to a PC in my home network running Debian. I am on Slackware. |
| 18:50.20 | rgr | from outside your lan? |
| 18:50.32 | alreadygone | inside my lan |
| 18:50.39 | vertz | Is there any problems with the testing netinstall? Cant seem to get my network working during install. |
| 18:50.49 | alreadygone | it's a cross over cable connection... |
| 18:50.54 | greycat | alreadygone: on the Debian system, apt-get install openssh-server (or just ssh) |
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| 18:51.09 | rgr | then you need to enable ssh on the other machine. then ssh ipaddress or hostname. openssh-server. |
| 18:51.09 | greycat | alreadygone: configure networking properly, then "ssh username@ip-address" |
| 18:51.11 | alreadygone | ssh is intalled on that system |
| 18:51.33 | rgr | also consider setting up shared keys if inside lan with out password. |
| 18:51.40 | alreadygone | I do ssh 192.168.1.200 and I get ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.200 port 22: Connection refused |
| 18:51.41 | xxtjaxx | hey guys currently running squeeze and my sound driver scm_pcm* isnt working alsa seems to puke on my shoes any Idea why? |
| 18:52.14 | greycat | alreadygone: then either sshd is not running, or you have a firewall, or you have the wrong IP |
| 18:52.22 | xxtjaxx | alreadygone: check firewall settings on the box or see if your openssh ser ver isnt set to another pot |
| 18:52.27 | rgr | alreadygone: run firestarter and check you havent got 22 closed. |
| 18:52.30 | xxtjaxx | s/pot/port |
| 18:52.31 | greycat | or the other-port thing, yes |
| 18:53.05 | xxtjaxx | alreadygone: are you using a firewall atall? |
| 18:53.14 | alreadygone | iptables -L on the other pc shows there is no firewall there... I do have a firewall set up. But I have blocked all incoming connections |
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| 18:53.25 | alreadygone | not outgoing |
| 18:53.34 | greycat | you blocked incoming on which machine? |
| 18:53.40 | alreadygone | mine |
| 18:53.46 | greycat | the slackware one or the debian one? |
| 18:53.51 | alreadygone | Slackware |
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| 18:54.01 | greycat | can you do "ssh 127.0.0.1" on the debian system? |
| 18:54.06 | alreadygone | wait |
| 18:54.23 | sepult | enable ip- and portforwarding |
| 18:54.30 | alreadygone | nope |
| 18:54.32 | greycat | he does not need port forwarding |
| 18:54.34 | alreadygone | connection refused |
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| 18:54.42 | greycat | alreadygone: then sshd isn't running. Try starting it.... |
| 18:54.46 | alreadygone | okie |
| 18:54.52 | sepult | heh |
| 18:54.53 | rgr | oh jesus. its using the non xorg.conf settings again on a reboot. |
| 18:55.56 | xxtjaxx | greycat: wasnt that /etc/init.d/ssh not sshd? |
| 18:55.56 | Titan8990 | I am trying to troubleshoot a reproducable problem that kill my machine (reboots itself). The only error I can find in dmesg or messages is "Not cloning cgroup for unused subsystem ns". I don't believe that error is fatal. Anyone else have ideas on troubleshooting? |
| 18:56.06 | greycat | it's /etc/init.d/sshTAB |
| 18:56.07 | alreadygone | there is no sshd installed. |
| 18:56.10 | Titan8990 | This is the first I have seen the machine just reboot itself... |
| 18:56.22 | greycat | alreadygone: apt-get install openssh-server (or just ssh) |
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| 18:56.30 | alreadygone | okie |
| 18:56.47 | DEbiansqueeze | titan that is pretty generic description of what is happening to your device |
| 18:57.20 | xxtjaxx | DEbiansqueeze: do you get the same error as me currently with problems running alsa ? |
| 18:57.48 | Titan8990 | I run multiple VMs via virtualbox on the machine. With only one of the virtual machines, my entire computer reboots whenever the starting up hits 99%. |
| 18:58.01 | DEbiansqueeze | xxtjaxx no im sorry i do not |
| 18:58.29 | Titan8990 | I assume its related to the vboxdrv kernel module (would hope something in userspace with user level privs can't totally crash the system) |
| 18:58.31 | xxtjaxx | DEbiansqueeze: I assume you run squeeze right? |
| 18:58.38 | DEbiansqueeze | yes |
| 18:58.49 | xxtjaxx | hmm odd |
| 18:59.17 | alreadygone | it worked \o/ |
| 18:59.22 | alreadygone | thanks guys |
| 18:59.28 | alreadygone | thank you greycat |
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| 19:01.01 | alreadygone | apt-get install firefox does not work. How do I install Firefox? |
| 19:01.19 | myrradin | apt-get install iceweasel |
| 19:01.37 | alreadygone | why iceweasel? |
| 19:01.45 | Titan8990 | !why iceweasel |
| 19:01.45 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 19:01.46 | sepult | why not mozilla ? |
| 19:01.50 | myrradin | that is a philosophical discussion that i am not prepared for today |
| 19:02.00 | xxtjaxx | was there a key code for fast logging out of a seession in X? |
| 19:02.01 | alreadygone | aah ok |
| 19:02.02 | sepult | logo ? |
| 19:02.08 | alreadygone | iceweasel it is then |
| 19:02.09 | sepult | is that the only issue ? |
| 19:02.21 | myrradin | did they really revoke it or was it 'someone at debian never asked for it' |
| 19:02.31 | greycat | xxtjaxx: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 19:02.31 | alreadygone | so *cannot* install firefox using apt-get? |
| 19:02.39 | greycat | xxtjaxx: but sometimes that's disabled |
| 19:02.43 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 19:02.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 19:02.49 | myrradin | alreadygone: it is firefox.... ehhhh... just install iceweasel |
| 19:02.51 | Titan8990 | alreadygone: you can, its just called iceweasel |
| 19:03.06 | alreadygone | ok :) |
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| 19:04.45 | alreadygone | I am starting to like Debian :) Just installed it using netinst CD |
| 19:05.59 | myrradin | sometimes debian makes me cry |
| 19:06.14 | alreadygone | sometimes Slackware makes _me_ cry |
| 19:06.21 | alreadygone | but it's ok |
| 19:06.26 | myrradin | you probably should stop using slackware |
| 19:06.42 | myrradin | unless it gets you chicks |
| 19:06.47 | alreadygone | haha |
| 19:06.49 | alreadygone | nope |
| 19:07.01 | myrradin | or go optimize your gentoo install |
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| 19:07.19 | rgr | greycat: yeah nozap being enabled on testing is a tad annoying at times. |
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| 19:07.41 | alreadygone | I'll use Debian when it supports ext4 fully. I formatted my disks using ext4 when I installed Slackware 13 |
| 19:08.06 | Titan8990 | alreadygone: kmuto and backports kernel have ext4 support |
| 19:08.12 | myrradin | i jsut use XFS all around |
| 19:08.30 | myrradin | i figure the 100s of millions SGI invested in developing it must mean something |
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| 19:10.27 | filePeter | What is a compilerâs api info? |
| 19:10.53 | alreadygone | is Googling kmuto and backports |
| 19:11.11 | greycat | alreadygone: you can also /msg dpkg kmuto /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:11.21 | rgr | ok, this is weird. If I boot recovery console as root I can startx. It seems to use the xorg.conf I edited. If I also /init.d/gdm restart I get my desktop too. If I boot as normal then scren flikers etc etc and I get a corrupt X screen. So soemthing in the normal boot is telling X to ignore the xorg.conf it seems. Any idea what? |
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| 19:11.43 | alreadygone | ok let me try... |
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| 19:13.19 | Titan8990 | rgr: if your using a DE, there could be setting specific to that DE in your user's home directory that is causing issue |
| 19:13.55 | rgr | Titan8990: I doubt it since X corrupts before I even log in as a user. |
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| 19:14.23 | mike-burns | For the record, if you know enough to hang yourself but not enough to know not to, this helps: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/downgrade.html |
| 19:14.24 | alreadygone | http://kmuto.jp/ does not work. Maybe it's down. |
| 19:14.27 | susurration | i seem to be having a problem with xorg on debian testing/squeeze in that it cannot find the driver for the video card, which is strange because i build them using the nvidia installer; is there a way around this? (debian nvidia driver cannot be installed, for the kernel version that its linked to does not exist) |
| 19:14.35 | rgr | In addition I note that wicd has been ejected ;) DBus errors. |
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| 19:16.25 | Titan8990 | susurration: did you follow the nvidia guide using m-a? |
| 19:17.15 | Titan8990 | susurration: ah, just reread. You need to uninstall the drivers you have attempted to install from the nvidia installer, and do it the debian way |
| 19:17.21 | Titan8990 | !tell susurration about nvidia |
| 19:17.49 | DEbiansqueeze | nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 19:18.23 | susurration | Titan8990: the problem is that it's dependent on the nvidia-kernel-version which is not in the respositories? |
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| 19:18.53 | susurration | a version of the kernel that is... |
| 19:18.55 | Titan8990 | susurration: reread the guide... nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 19:19.01 | susurration | ah |
| 19:19.06 | Titan8990 | susurration: you build the module for your kernel |
| 19:19.26 | susurration | ok i will try that now, and come back if it fails ;) |
| 19:19.27 | Titan8990 | susurration: last I had heard, the nvidia drivers in squeeze were broken however, not sure if that has been resolved |
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| 19:19.46 | susurration | Titan8990: the ones from debian itself? |
| 19:19.50 | Titan8990 | susurration: if that is the case, you will need to backport them from sid |
| 19:19.56 | Titan8990 | susurration: the ones in testing |
| 19:20.04 | susurration | hmmm |
| 19:20.11 | Titan8990 | recommends not using testing unless your goal is provide feedback to the debian project |
| 19:20.28 | susurration | hehe |
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| 19:21.05 | susurration | non-sense Titan8990, testing is great but i should have known not to update xorg |
| 19:22.04 | susurration | Titan8990: besides i get to learn how to interact with screen now ;) |
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| 19:23.18 | beeman_n1 | in my Debian install Nautilus does not have a sidebar, for the directory tree or the Places, like Ubuntu does |
| 19:23.27 | beeman_n1 | is that normal behavior or did i screw it up? |
| 19:23.47 | AimHere | Debian is probably using the older Nautilus |
| 19:24.05 | AimHere | Nautilus changed from being a spacial filemanager to a browser filemanager recently |
| 19:24.18 | AimHere | There's probably options to change between them, if you fiddle with it |
| 19:25.08 | beeman_n1 | AimHere: oke, i'll then on that, thanks :) |
| 19:25.17 | beeman_n1 | good to know it's not my mistake somewhere :) |
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| 19:27.35 | mike-burns | OK I got my system back to stable from testing. That was exciting. How do I upgrade everything to the latest version in backports? |
| 19:28.27 | susurration | enable the repository? |
| 19:28.43 | dwq | mike-burns: you don't update *everything* from backports. only the packages you need to update. |
| 19:28.53 | mike-burns | Why not? |
| 19:28.55 | dwq | that's how you're supposed to use it. |
| 19:29.31 | dwq | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php read the introduction. |
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| 19:30.05 | mike-burns | That didn't provide an answer to "why". |
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| 19:34.42 | Devastator | I'm trying to generate a key with gpg but it says: not enough random bytes |
| 19:34.43 | abrotman | mike-burns: they make changes to the way those programs work, not all of them may be desirable by you |
| 19:34.57 | abrotman | Devastator: ping osmething and move your mouse .. generate entropy |
| 19:35.02 | mike-burns | Interesting. |
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| 19:35.25 | greycat | find a small child and put it by the keyboard |
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| 19:35.50 | abrotman | load up a youtube movie or something |
| 19:36.07 | mike-burns | I suppose what I'm looking for is what FreeBSD has: you can have a stable OS and the latest version of e.g. GNOME. They put effort into making sure it works but it's also the latest version (or off by one). Is that a thing I can have in Debian? |
| 19:36.32 | abrotman | mike-burns: for some things .. and of course, you're free to attempt to create your own backports .. |
| 19:36.49 | mike-burns | Oh. |
| 19:37.13 | mike-burns | So ... with Debian I'm either a C programmer or I run old software? |
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| 19:38.08 | DEbiansqueeze | wow mr. burns |
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| 19:38.29 | abrotman | mike-burns: i didn't say that .. |
| 19:38.32 | AimHere | There's always Debian Sid if you want to live dangerously |
| 19:38.39 | abrotman | AimHere: please don't advocate that |
| 19:38.46 | mike-burns | I don't want to live dangerously. I want to run a new version of GNOME. |
| 19:38.48 | AimHere | I'm not advocating it |
| 19:38.54 | AimHere | I'm just pointing out the options |
| 19:38.58 | abrotman | mike-burns: and what was wrong with testing ? |
| 19:39.00 | greycat | new = dangerous |
| 19:39.23 | mike-burns | I was told by people in here a few hours ago not to run testing. |
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| 19:39.39 | abrotman | who? and why not? |
| 19:40.16 | DEbiansqueeze | what version of gnom are you trying to run? |
| 19:40.26 | greycat | testing is also dangerous, but usually less dangerous than sid |
| 19:40.34 | Devastator | abrotman I'm doing it via ssh, is there another way to generate entropy? |
| 19:40.42 | abrotman | Devastator: ping stuff ... |
| 19:40.46 | mike-burns | nvz, nsadmin, petemc, and quite a few others, and because it might break apt or something? |
| 19:41.07 | abrotman | mike-burns: you can run it, but things do break .. generally stable+backports is considered more stable/safe |
| 19:41.28 | mike-burns | DEbiansqueeze: I'm trying to run GNOME 2.28. |
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| 19:41.38 | abrotman | mike-burns: such as rgr complaining earlier that his X broke |
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| 19:42.31 | mike-burns | `sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports upgrade' seem to do something. But it's bad? |
| 19:43.19 | Devastator | :| I'm running ping on one term and tshark on the other, also ssh and still says not enough random bytes.. did it want me to debug nasa information? |
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| 19:43.49 | abrotman | Devastator: "find / |
| 19:43.50 | DEbiansqueeze | im using testing and 2.28.2 works fine |
| 19:43.52 | abrotman | erm .. "find /" |
| 19:44.37 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:46.07 | Devastator | abrotman do you have account on mentors? |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | Devastator: doesn't everyone? |
| 19:46.44 | Devastator | abrotman which key did you used? standard dsa? |
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| 19:47.05 | abrotman | Devastator: i'm sure the website has instructions (there is also a #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 19:48.15 | cheavera | How can i install a '.package' file? |
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| 19:48.46 | greycat | Not A Debian Question |
| 19:49.02 | mike-burns | Since I'm new to Linux, which kernel is the latest stable kernel I should install? My options seem to be 2.6.26-2 or 2.6.30-bpo.2? |
| 19:49.05 | greycat | figure out what it is, and what you're supposed to do with it, then do that |
| 19:49.14 | abrotman | mike-burns: if the .26 works fine, use that |
| 19:49.40 | mike-burns | abrotman: I'm missing a wireless driver and I theorize the newer version has it. SHould I upgrade, or seek an alternate route? |
| 19:49.54 | mike-burns | cheavera: Use the `file' command to figure out what kind of file that is. |
| 19:50.15 | Devastator | sorry abrotman |
| 19:50.20 | abrotman | mike-burns: which wifi card? |
| 19:50.26 | susurration | mike-burns: i say go for it, i mean what do you have to lose? |
| 19:50.55 | mike-burns | abrotman: Atheros AR2425 |
| 19:51.11 | abrotman | mike-burns: then try the .30 |
| 19:51.11 | DEbiansqueeze | madwifi? |
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| 19:51.19 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: ath5k IIRC |
| 19:51.46 | mike-burns | Pretty sure it's ath5k. |
| 19:51.47 | DEbiansqueeze | thats what im using now with .30 |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | !tell mike-burns about AR2425 |
| 19:52.22 | DEbiansqueeze | madwifi for the .26 will work though.. or not? |
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| 19:52.34 | susurration | yes it will DEbiansqueeze |
| 19:52.42 | abrotman | mike-burns: i would suggest trying to get along with stable+backports for a little bit .. if you really find it unsuitable, we can't stop you from using testing |
| 19:52.54 | cheavera | mike-burns: Thanks |
| 19:52.55 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: kind of |
| 19:53.34 | susurration | DEbiansqueeze: thing is you have to install it yourself, by the source i believe - its been a while - though the .30 kernel should have support within the kernel itself without having to compile the driver |
| 19:53.44 | abrotman | and the madwifi driver is dead upstream |
| 19:53.49 | mike-burns | abrotman: I really do want to follow the status quo at first, since I don't know Linux or apt at all (except for what I know about unix). |
| 19:53.54 | susurration | abrotman: this is true it is dead |
| 19:54.13 | DEbiansqueeze | yes ah5k is supposed to replace it |
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| 19:54.16 | mike-burns | The dpkg bot tells me that Linux 2.6.27 supports my card. |
| 19:54.19 | DEbiansqueeze | ath5k |
| 19:54.39 | mike-burns | So, what's the risk in upgrading my kernel to linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 ? |
| 19:54.55 | abrotman | mike-burns: it may break something else .. just try it |
| 19:55.05 | susurration | nothing, the one is still on the system mike-burns until you uninstall it |
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| 19:55.30 | susurration | mike-burns: the old one is still on the system until you uninstall it |
| 19:55.32 | mike-burns | Does the installer take care of making grub give me the option to use the older one? |
| 19:55.41 | abrotman | yes, it should |
| 19:55.44 | susurration | it updates grub |
| 19:55.45 | mike-burns | Great. |
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| 20:08.27 | techouse | i need a favor; can anyone with java installed paste me the output of this command: ls -l `which java` |
| 20:08.58 | oggei | techouse: java is for sure at /usr/bin/java |
| 20:09.05 | oggei | but beware, it's an alternative |
| 20:09.15 | oggei | so explain what's your problem, instead |
| 20:09.16 | techouse | oggei: it's a symlink |
| 20:09.30 | oggei | yes, it's an alternative |
| 20:09.34 | techouse | no problem, just need to cross examine something |
| 20:09.51 | oggei | aah. |
| 20:09.59 | techouse | running osx here and need something regarding java.... |
| 20:10.10 | techouse | just testing if i'm pointing correctly |
| 20:10.51 | techouse | if it's something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.15, them in the green :) |
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| 20:15.02 | greycat | on Debian, /usr/bin/java points to /etc/alternatives/java which points to whatever |
| 20:15.54 | adb | ls -al /etc/alternatives/java |
| 20:16.15 | adb | -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java < here |
| 20:17.16 | techouse | yep |
| 20:17.21 | techouse | so i'm good |
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| 20:17.47 | techouse | on osx snow leo it's: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 74 Jan 27 11:38 /usr/bin/java -> /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/Current/Commands/java |
| 20:17.51 | techouse | so i'm good to go :) |
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| 20:17.53 | techouse | thanx! |
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| 20:29.33 | techouse | adb... actually the equivalent on osx is /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.6.0/Home/bin/java |
| 20:29.43 | techouse | lol |
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| 20:49.06 | smhar | is there an easy way to convert several mov files in subfolders into mpeg? |
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| 20:50.20 | zamba | i'm having problems killing a process.. i'm doing kill -9 <pid> as root, but it still hangs on |
| 20:50.44 | rgammans | smhar: transcode ? |
| 20:50.51 | Devastator | zamba killall pid? |
| 20:50.55 | zamba | Devastator: tried |
| 20:50.59 | zamba | Devastator: same, it hangs on |
| 20:51.00 | greycat | zamba: then it's either a zombie, or it's stuck in a kernel driver |
| 20:51.08 | zamba | greycat: it has 'D' as process status |
| 20:51.17 | greycat | stuck in kernel driver |
| 20:51.27 | zamba | according to 'man ps' that's an uninterruptable sleep (due to io) |
| 20:51.32 | zamba | greycat: what can i do about that? |
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| 20:51.39 | greycat | if it's talking to a piece of hardware that's broken or missing, or if it's talking to an NFS-mounted file system whose server is gone AWOL... |
| 20:51.57 | zamba | force an unmount? |
| 20:52.00 | greycat | you can repair the broken hardware, or replace the NFS server, or reboot |
| 20:52.01 | simonrvn | "It's dead, Jim. But that's impossible, I had the phaser on stun!" |
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| 20:52.29 | greycat | you could also tell us what process it is so we can be less general |
| 20:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you've been rather specific :) |
| 20:53.03 | simonrvn | or silly |
| 20:54.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I can't think of any reason he's not listed... independent of what process it is |
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| 20:54.39 | greycat | I omitted "there's a bug in the kernel" |
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| 20:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mabbe |
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| 20:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but we all know the kernel never has bugs :-P |
| 20:56.00 | simonrvn | no, never :P |
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| 21:00.40 | iskra | hey all... the IDE i'm installing needs gtk+2.8 so I installed it into "/opt/gtk"... how do i point the IDE to use that gtk during build? |
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| 21:01.20 | greycat | it can't use a newer version? |
| 21:01.55 | greycat | Debian stable has 2.12 |
| 21:02.22 | iskra | sorry... i mean it needs 2.18 |
| 21:02.25 | iskra | i have 2.12 |
| 21:02.38 | simonrvn | !bpo |
| 21:02.39 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 21:02.53 | greycat | well, building that application would follow whatever that application's requirements are. --with-gtk=/opt/gtk or whatever it wants. |
| 21:02.54 | rgammans | erm, have you a /opt/gtk/bin/gtk-config ? |
| 21:03.19 | greycat | or adding /opt/gtk/bin to $PATH if rgammans's intuition is on target |
| 21:03.45 | greycat | don't forget to include the shared libs' directory in /etc/ld.so.conf if necessary... |
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| 21:04.06 | Devil_Kin | hello folks... after updating squeeze's grub today, i have a no longer booting system |
| 21:04.14 | Devil_Kin | i see the 'Welcome to GRUB' and get a reboot |
| 21:04.26 | Devil_Kin | reinstalling grub doesn't help |
| 21:04.41 | Devil_Kin | removing grub.cfg gives me a prompt, but that's it |
| 21:05.37 | Devil_Kin | any ideas? |
| 21:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I don't have the impression there's any such libgtk package around anywhere, though |
| 21:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or I don't see it |
| 21:06.26 | iskra | thx rgammans & greycat... i'm off to investigate |
| 21:07.26 | simonrvn | you're not seeing it |
| 21:07.46 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.48 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.21 | simonrvn | (from: aptc policy libgtk2.0-0) |
| 21:08.33 | prince_jammys | exit |
| 21:08.52 | Scrambles | Hi all. I'm on sid, trying to install fglrx-driver, but it fails: "fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.4+1) but it is not going to be installed". But dpkg -s xserver-xorg gives Version: 1:7.5+2. Any idea why this isn't working? |
| 21:08.53 | paissad | when we do 'apt-get source $package_name", where are located the packages ? ... i searched everywhere, but i did see nothing |
| 21:08.54 | paissad | when we do 'apt-get source $package_name", where are located the packages ? ... i searched everywhere, but i did see nothing |
| 21:09.06 | canhope | Is grub2 the future. |
| 21:09.06 | paissad | when we do 'apt-get source $package_name", where are located the packages ? ... i searched everywhere, but i did see nothing |
| 21:09.14 | paissad | sorry :/ |
| 21:09.21 | paissad | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/source/ |
| 21:09.38 | greycat | paissad: $PWD |
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| 21:10.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Scrambles, too many weird characters in the version string? |
| 21:10.25 | paissad | greycat, no, i don't mean on my own system, i mean from the web browser ! |
| 21:10.39 | paissad | i want to see the orig.tar.gz file from the browser |
| 21:10.50 | Scrambles | CutMeOwnThroat, I would expect that sort of error would be found and corrected immediately by the package maintainer, no? |
| 21:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 21:10.59 | greycat | paissad: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 21:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, why dpkg -s ... |
| 21:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | does dpkg -i show it's really fully installed? |
| 21:11.35 | greycat | that would be dpkg -l |
| 21:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, -i |
| 21:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... Mr. Freud, guess you got me... |
| 21:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, again? |
| 21:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm thinking "does it say 'ii'" and -l becomes -i |
| 21:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg --reinstall brain |
| 21:12.36 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 21:13.13 | Scrambles | Hmm, can't decipher the output. http://pastebin.com/m1e000413 |
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| 21:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | the weird thing is, I can't imagine any way how 1:7.5+2 can not be >= 1:7.4+1 |
| 21:14.15 | Scrambles | Hahah yeah. |
| 21:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... 5>4 and 2>1, the rest is identical |
| 21:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the bts? |
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| 21:16.01 | jduck | hi |
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| 21:16.12 | jduck | i just installed debian 5, and said no to online repository |
| 21:16.22 | jduck | now i can't get it to download/install anything, any recommendations ? |
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| 21:16.45 | jduck | i suppose i could reinstall from scratch :-/ |
| 21:16.57 | greycat | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and run aptitude update |
| 21:17.25 | jduck | ok i added to sources.list but didn't run aptitude update |
| 21:17.31 | Scrambles | CutMeOwnThroat, ahha, AMD hasn't released it for 7.5. Okay, I guess the version mismatch error is being abused somehow. Thanks. |
| 21:17.34 | jduck | didn't see any recommendation to do that in the docs/man |
| 21:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | /msg dpkg sources.list if you don't know what to put in there |
| 21:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
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| 21:18.58 | jduck | thx greycat |
| 21:20.04 | NiLon | what I should be looking when I wanna use my phone to call user and play wav and hang up? |
| 21:20.31 | jduck | sounds illegal |
| 21:20.43 | NiLon | how so? |
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| 21:21.07 | jduck | sorry dunno, im not a lawyer :) |
| 21:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | asterisk, probably |
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| 21:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, phone, not sip |
| 21:21.55 | jduck | you mean real analog lines, not voip? |
| 21:21.55 | gordonjcp | NiLon: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:22.09 | jduck | you'd need specialized hardware for that |
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| 21:22.32 | NiLon | gordonjcp I have recorded wav and I wanna use my phone to make call to user and play it for user |
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| 21:22.45 | tking | my brother got arrested for installing slackware on all the display laptops at best buy |
| 21:22.57 | jduck | what phone is it? |
| 21:23.02 | NiLon | and I mean real phone call |
| 21:23.07 | NiLon | nokia 3500 classic |
| 21:23.09 | gordonjcp | NiLon: there are a lot of ways to do it |
| 21:23.13 | NiLon | series40 |
| 21:23.16 | gordonjcp | ah, from a mobile phone? |
| 21:23.21 | NiLon | ye :) |
| 21:23.21 | gordonjcp | that's a bit more difficult |
| 21:23.21 | keith4 | tking: what charges? |
| 21:23.32 | gordonjcp | NiLon: okay, you'll need to do some hardware hacking |
| 21:23.38 | tking | keith4, I just heard about it we're heading down to see him |
| 21:24.41 | NiLon | I did check about gnokii but seems that it can only make call but no idea how to send any data to line |
| 21:25.29 | gordonjcp | I suspect you'd need to hack a data cable and headset so that you could pass audio from the soundcard to the phone |
| 21:25.38 | gordonjcp | NiLon: what's it for, anyway? |
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| 21:26.05 | NiLon | gordonjcp it's small private "voice mail" project |
| 21:26.23 | rgammans | theres a library somewhere so you can use a bt i/f to emulate a bt headset if the phone support those. |
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| 21:27.14 | NiLon | I would prefer usb as I don't have bt :) |
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| 21:28.18 | rgammans | on the phone of the computer , bt usb dongles are cheap. I don't think any mobile phone will take audio data for the connectin form usb - but I could be wrong |
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| 21:28.34 | yskapell | hello |
| 21:28.37 | iskra | rgammans: hey... so i dont have /opt/gtk/bin/gtk-config |
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| 21:28.53 | gordonjcp | NiLon: you could get a VoIP provider |
| 21:29.45 | yskapell | I have install mplayer from debian repos and I want to install some win32 codecs in order to play some .mov file. I will install by the book of mplayer? |
| 21:29.56 | iskra | rgammans: so i understand i need to point the variables GTK_CFLAGS and GTK_LIBS, but i don't know where those would correspond to /opt/gtk |
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| 21:30.08 | Titan8990 | !tell yskapell about dmm |
| 21:30.09 | NiLon | gordonjcp I don't wanna pay extra for this :) so kind of need to get it work with mobile phone |
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| 21:30.18 | greycat | !tell yskapell about w32codecs |
| 21:30.55 | rgammans | iskra: Oh. Yeah um think about it i think gtk uses pkg-config these days. Normally there is a command like gtk-config --cflags whcih tells you |
| 21:31.14 | gordonjcp | NiLon: can you use SMS instead? SMS is *easy* ;-) |
| 21:31.24 | rgammans | iskra: but simonrvn pointed out the libgtk2.0-0 is in bpo at 2.18 |
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| 21:32.07 | NiLon | gordonjcp I have sms working already, but problem is now this dialing part, and with gnokii I can answer call aswell make one, but I don't think gnokii supports sending any data |
| 21:32.12 | NiLon | or atleast it's not that well documented then |
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| 21:43.02 | gordonjcp | NiLon: I don't think you can pass telephone audio over USB (easily) |
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| 21:46.22 | NiLon | gordonjcp I see |
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| 21:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | NiLon, of course there are phones running with linux like the N900 etc... guess it'd be trivial with those? |
| 21:51.06 | NiLon | could be.. but as I don't have such hardware avaible it won't help me :P |
| 21:51.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should figure out what your phone runs, then |
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| 21:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and here's not really the place for it |
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| 21:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously there are phones where this is very very easy (not with usb, but via wireless) |
| 21:52.36 | NiLon | ye well, I just thought here could be easy answer and gnokii can make call but don't know if it can sen any data and it seemed to be so trivial :) |
| 21:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and most probably there are phones where it's impossible without changing hardware a lot |
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| 21:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's google voice |
| 21:53.46 | NiLon | hmm |
| 21:53.48 | NiLon | need to check that out |
| 21:54.02 | NiLon | Please note that Google Voice is only available for sign up in the US. |
| 21:54.05 | NiLon | .. or not |
| 21:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | which provides a neat internet<->phone interface, mailbox inclusive |
| 21:54.36 | archboxman | anyone use? fluxbox?? when I tried to use irssi to log into debian channel gave me a banned from debian... when I loaded fluxbox???? anyone have this problem |
| 21:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now you're saying you don't want to travel... |
| 21:55.02 | NiLon | CutMeOwnThroat travelin from europe to us to make call is kind of overkill :D |
| 21:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | archboxman, was your user@host by any chance root@something? |
| 21:55.12 | archboxman | I loaded gnome and no problems with chat room |
| 21:55.39 | archboxman | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe? I think so... ;) |
| 21:55.40 | AimHere | archboxman, #freenode is under attack from some GNAA type gang. So at times, the chan has been set to automatically kick people with unregistered nicks |
| 21:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rootsmite archboxman |
| 21:55.44 | dpkg | takes away archboxman's root passwd. |
| 21:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | archboxman, people running irc clients as root are banned from here |
| 21:56.40 | DEbiansqueeze | puppy? |
| 21:56.41 | archboxman | CutMeOwnThroat: Why is that???? Just a home computer.. |
| 21:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | we regard them to be morons and don't want them here |
| 21:57.21 | AimHere | You're running nonessential internet programs as root |
| 21:57.24 | archboxman | AimHere: I have 3 registered nics |
| 21:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | just kidding... well, a bit |
| 21:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | archboxman, if you can't think up some reasons... well, I dunno |
| 21:58.15 | DEbiansqueeze | i have never used arch is it like puppy where you are always root? |
| 21:58.21 | archboxman | AimHere: I just do a su in terminal was editing fluxbox |
| 21:59.02 | archboxman | DEbiansqueeze: No arch is not like puppy in that sense??? |
| 21:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | archboxman, go ahead and convince someone with admin rights to lift the ban |
| 21:59.26 | DEbiansqueeze | i deduced that by your previous su coment |
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| 21:59.32 | gordonjcp | CutMeOwnThroat: still not sure how you'd stuff audio up the USB connection and get the phone to understand it |
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| 22:00.05 | archboxman | CutMeOwnThroat: was not asking in that way ... just trying to make sense of the issue with root...??? not being a smart-xxx |
| 22:00.08 | gordonjcp | DEbiansqueeze: Arch is more like Slackware than anything else, but with a decent package manager |
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| 22:00.20 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 22:00.38 | gordonjcp | DEbiansqueeze: unlike Debian, stuff packaged for Arch tends to be left alone rather than having a tonne of distro-specific patches thrown at it |
| 22:01.31 | archboxman | DEbiansqueeze: Arch is not for newbies or unexperienced users and has lots of configuration needed |
| 22:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | gordonjcp, depends... the phone could have internet over usb, the phones sdd drive could be mounted on a computer when you plug it in... it totally depends on the phone, and I'd think they're very different |
| 22:01.37 | DEbiansqueeze | i had it on cd when i was choosing distros a few years ago never tried it |
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| 22:01.59 | Blues-Man | i would build a debian package containing only xml files (an add-on for another packages). I tried to write a Makefile with only "install: mkdir /usr/my/dir; cp *.xml /usr/my/dir" but i got errors, how can i build a non-sources compiling package? |
| 22:02.05 | gordonjcp | CutMeOwnThroat: true |
| 22:02.32 | gordonjcp | CutMeOwnThroat: I've never come across one that sends audio over USB but that doesn't mean they don't exist |
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| 22:02.59 | gordonjcp | archboxman: it's okay for not-very-experienced users |
| 22:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | gordonjcp, if the phones disk is mounted as a drive via usb, you could simply push it to the disk |
| 22:03.10 | gordonjcp | archboxman: certainly no harder than debian |
| 22:03.14 | gordonjcp | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, yeah, clever |
| 22:03.28 | gordonjcp | and then there may be a command you can push to play the sample |
| 22:04.07 | archboxman | gordonjcp: I bit different then debian have to config xorg.conf, rc.conf and other config files |
| 22:04.45 | archboxman | gordonjcp: If your really good with cli you can manage the install |
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| 22:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Blues-Man, there's the program "install" for that, actually.. also, you probably want mkdir -P there |
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| 22:05.47 | archboxman | gordonjcp: I haven't done debian only ubuntu and linux mint... this is my next stop debian then slackware... |
| 22:05.55 | gordonjcp | archboxman: you don't need to be particularly good at using the cli |
| 22:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Blues-Man, you could look at a package like youtube-dl, which is just a python script |
| 22:06.01 | gordonjcp | but anyway, this is incredibly off-topic |
| 22:06.14 | Blues-Man | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you i'm gonna see it |
| 22:06.22 | Blues-Man | CutMeOwnThroat, i forgot also -P :) |
| 22:06.22 | gordonjcp | archboxman: I wouldn't be here at all of there was an Arch stable ;-) |
| 22:06.23 | DEbiansqueeze | archboxman what are you doing just testing distros? |
| 22:06.25 | archboxman | gordonjcp: I agree I will go offtopic |
| 22:06.50 | archboxman | gordonjcp: lets go offtopic |
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| 22:07.13 | archboxman | ok |
| 22:07.18 | gordonjcp | archboxman: #a-offtopic or #d-offtopic ? ;-) |
| 22:07.37 | archboxman | debian-offtopic |
| 22:07.43 | archboxman | see you there |
| 22:07.48 | archboxman | ;) |
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| 22:08.05 | km | any recommendation for a good tomcat book? |
| 22:08.13 | echa | hey there, how can i make ethtool settings permanent? |
| 22:08.17 | echa | rc.d? |
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| 22:08.56 | echa | oh wait |
| 22:09.10 | echa | forgot i've ubuntu-ized this desktop |
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| 22:10.52 | path | what's for 'proxy' user on a debian default installation? |
| 22:11.01 | path | I see it on my /etc/passwd |
| 22:11.19 | path | also 'irc' user |
| 22:11.35 | path | I havent installed any proxy or irc software |
| 22:11.58 | path | only irssi :) |
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| 22:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | find / -user proxy -o -user irc |
| 22:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno |
| 22:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's in the list of users which always exist |
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| 22:19.12 | Tramp | yes. With uid 13 it's in base-passwd |
| 22:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | 13? |
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| 22:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's unlucky |
| 22:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially... since it's got uid 39 on my system |
| 22:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps there are some backdraws when your system is based on potato :( |
| 22:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you mean proxy... yes, that's 13 |
| 22:21.58 | Tramp | ah, sorry. that was the first he mentioned and I did not bother to read on |
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| 22:22.24 | Tramp | his overuse of <Return> scared me away |
| 22:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | here it is: http://pastebin.com/f7c1d8eeb |
| 22:22.47 | Tramp | yes, sure. proxy is 13 and irc is 39 |
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| 22:23.27 | Tramp | file /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html - tries to give a rationale about what they're for |
| 22:24.29 | ricdanger | anyone knows how to script or keep a partition with preseed? |
| 22:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha.. wasn't aware there arn't any bin-owned files around |
| 22:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... gets better with sys |
| 22:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | definitely makes for some fascinating reading |
| 22:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | "nope, we don't know what the user's really for either" |
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| 22:30.57 | canhope | Interesting that editing /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:31.07 | canhope | could repair damage. Never knew that. |
| 22:31.25 | Tramp | one day all UIDs<100 (except 0) will be marked as "still there for historical reasons but not in use anymore". |
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| 22:34.50 | stuckey | Is anyone here familiar with the mktorrent package? Or any other package that can make .torrent files and that can change the piece size? |
| 22:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, man seems kind of useful, lp/postres/www-data etc. if you have the program installed |
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| 22:35.22 | rgammans | has anyone got any example code which allocates ptys - i've an old app that fails in lenny due to chnages in udev(i think) |
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| 22:39.20 | stuckey | Anyone? |
| 22:40.29 | path | Tramp: that works for a default debian installation? |
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| 22:40.58 | path | interesting, sorry for the <return> abuse :D |
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| 22:51.13 | rooisto47 | hi there |
| 22:51.50 | rooisto47 | do you know a tool to generate a repository from debian.iso images ? |
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| 23:02.06 | rgammans | Why won't pppd accept a device in the form of /dev/pts/1 (it give me unkown option,) when it was happy with /dev/ptyxy? |
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| 23:11.29 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:12.41 | intx | how come there's no xtables-addons-source for lenny |
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| 23:16.54 | DEbiansqueeze | is there something else i should be using when i use /etc/init.d/networking restart. I'm told it is depreciated |
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| 23:21.29 | remote | ~qt |
| 23:21.30 | apt | somebody said qt was TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com |
| 23:21.48 | remote | yeah but can I get QT4 libraries on debian? |
| 23:22.49 | llimeht | remote: take a guess. /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:24.35 | remote | i'm trying to compile lmms and i get this error " Could NOT find QtGlobal header |
| 23:24.54 | remote | so i'm taking it that i don't have the qt libraries installed |
| 23:25.11 | remote | arf i must be tired |
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| 23:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | DEbiansqueeze, ifdown/ifup? |
| 23:28.41 | llimeht | remote: you probably need to install libqt4-dev; but since lmms is already in debian you should (a) /msg dpkg ssb (b) aptitude build-dep lmms |
| 23:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache search libqt --names-only" |
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| 23:30.00 | remote | i got it |
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| 23:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !eman ruoy gnidaer smelborp evah I ,llimeht |
| 23:35.03 | prince_jammys | mm, --names-only doesn't seem to work as described here. |
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| 23:35.49 | prince_jammys | $ apt-cache search --names-only mp3 | grep vlc # vlc - multimedia player and streamer |
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| 23:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | prince_jammys, Provides: mp3-decoder |
| 23:37.30 | prince_jammys | ahh. |
| 23:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're canny |
| 23:38.23 | prince_jammys | ticks that off from "unresolved mysteries" |
| 23:40.49 | puff | Anybody familiar with mysql? |
| 23:41.02 | puff | I'm trying to migrate a set of mysql databases into a fresh mysql install, both debian. Very slgihtyl different versions, 5.0.32-7etch1 on the old and 5.0.32-7etch8 on the new. I have a file copy of the old machine, rsync'd after I shutdown most stuff. |
| 23:41.14 | puff | I just tried copying /old/var/lib/mysql over /var/lib/mysql and /old/etc/mysql over /etc/mysql. |
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| 23:45.24 | prince_jammys | it seems (and i'm ignorant on this matter) that using mysqldump and recreating the dbs remotely would be preferable. but i'm guessing. |
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| 23:48.37 | zmitya | hi guys |
| 23:48.53 | zmitya | I have an etch, which does not create core dumps for some reason |
| 23:49.02 | zmitya | I have set ulimit -c unlimited |
| 23:49.12 | zmitya | and it does not creates the coredump |
| 23:49.17 | zmitya | what should I check ? |
| 23:49.26 | puff | http://debian.pastebin.com/d6c00e786 |
| 23:49.43 | puff | prince_jammys: Sadly, that's not feasible, the old box is gone, I just have the file backup. |
| 23:51.14 | prince_jammys | puff: ah, well, that exhausts my deep pool of ideas. |
| 23:52.06 | puff | prince_jammys: Thanks anyway :-). |
| 23:52.27 | puff | The #mysql folks say I should just re-issue the grant statement for the debian-sys-maint user. |
| 23:54.02 | TomyLobo | to upgrade to squeeze, i need to remove lenny/volatile and lenny/updates? |
| 23:54.07 | TomyLobo | or just volatile? |
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| 23:54.41 | TomyLobo | (before doing the lenny->squeeze replacement i mean) |
| 23:55.01 | macrobat | TomyLobo: comment out both |
| 23:55.18 | TomyLobo | ok |
| 23:55.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | prince_jammys, send it to the mythbusters |
| 23:55.35 | TomyLobo | also, how stable is squeeze? |
| 23:55.45 | macrobat | when squeeze is stable you can uncomment them again and change lenny to squeeze |
| 23:55.59 | prince_jammys | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe i can get TV time. |
| 23:56.32 | macrobat | TomyLobo: i guess stability depends on what apps you run :) |
| 23:56.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | prince_jammys, sure... that'll totally wow them |
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| 23:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell zmitya -about forgot mysql root password |
| 23:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, moment - if you can use the root password, you can change the database |
| 23:57.52 | zmitya | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 23:58.52 | macrobat | TomyLobo: testing doesnt mean that things automatically break, it means that pkgs come in new versions, some versions can have bugs, install apt-listbugs and have an eye on bts |
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