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| 00:02.36 | squisher | Ugh, I did something not so smart. I changed the ip address of my nfs server, while it was mounted on the client. Now I can't unmount it because there are files in use |
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| 00:02.52 | squisher | and lsof seems to just fail for me - it just hangs. Any clue how I can fix this without rebooting? |
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| 00:03.05 | kothog | you could use an alias temporarily, umount from client, and then remount? |
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| 00:03.24 | squisher | kothog, hm, not a bad idea, I should try that |
| 00:03.25 | squisher | thanks |
| 00:03.44 | squisher | aliases are brought up like ifconfig eth0:1 <foobar> right? |
| 00:04.08 | kothog | ifconfig eth0:1 old.ip.add.ress |
| 00:04.14 | kothog | i believe.. |
| 00:04.25 | kothog | i think there might be some weirdness if it's on a different subnet to eth0 though, so .. |
| 00:04.31 | kothog | you know, if it's vital, be careful. :) |
| 00:04.41 | squisher | heh, not vital, but thanks for the note :) |
| 00:04.46 | trypt | ugh does any1 here run lighttpd? |
| 00:04.53 | squisher | I'd actually have guessed that it might be a problem if it's on the _same_ subnet |
| 00:04.53 | kothog | nginx.. |
| 00:05.00 | squisher | different ones should work just fine IMHO |
| 00:05.03 | trypt | im using nginx as reverse proxy for lighty |
| 00:05.03 | nsadmin | !ne1 |
| 00:05.03 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s). |
| 00:05.34 | nsadmin | ok, a bit harsh, let's try this instead... |
| 00:05.38 | nsadmin | !anyone |
| 00:05.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 00:05.39 | kothog | squisher: physical output, even if it's on a tagged vlan, would still be out the same physical interface though.. but if it's on a diff. subnet, say that belongs on a different network card, i'm pretty sure things can get messy. |
| 00:05.54 | trypt | ok |
| 00:05.58 | squisher | kothog, haha, sure, yes that's obviously true |
| 00:06.31 | squisher | kothog, worked nicely. Great idea, I'll have to keep that in mind. |
| 00:06.39 | kothog | squisher: cool. |
| 00:06.40 | nsadmin | maybe you can /msg dpkg ask |
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| 00:07.09 | trypt | How can I run the latest version of lighttpd on Debian, backporting has been a failure because I get into a vicious circle of openssl requiring libssl to install and libssl requring openssl to install |
| 00:07.28 | trypt | debian lenny* |
| 00:07.33 | nsadmin | are you building the ssl stuff? |
| 00:07.43 | squisher | trypt, there's nothing in backports.org? |
| 00:07.45 | trypt | yeah i have to it requires newer versions |
| 00:07.47 | trypt | no |
| 00:08.16 | nsadmin | (btw, got limited time, so save the results and also! the questions) |
| 00:08.39 | nsadmin | so you want to build libssh first |
| 00:08.43 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:09.14 | nsadmin | hmm, that's dumb... they codepend on each other? |
| 00:09.20 | trypt | yes |
| 00:09.35 | squisher | is one maybe an optional dependency? |
| 00:09.51 | trypt | doesnt look like it |
| 00:10.01 | nsadmin | and you're doing this from source? both openssl and libopenssl |
| 00:10.04 | trypt | yes |
| 00:11.19 | nsadmin | ok, what you want to do for that is find the developers for both, get them talking to each other and to you so you can find a solution that (1) works for you and (2) works for everyone else as much as possible |
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| 00:11.42 | squisher | trypt, hmm, apt-get source thinks that both openssl and libssl actually come from the same source package |
| 00:12.13 | trypt | hm |
| 00:12.14 | nsadmin | that would explain codependency |
| 00:12.26 | squisher | so just install them at he same time |
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| 00:13.16 | trypt | actually i think i got it |
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| 00:13.20 | trypt | i thought of that |
| 00:13.23 | trypt | i just accidenlty did |
| 00:13.29 | trypt | && |
| 00:13.51 | trypt | awesome i think its going now |
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| 00:14.10 | squisher | trypt, dpkg -i libssl.deb openssl.deb would do the job too |
| 00:14.18 | trypt | yeah tahts basically |
| 00:14.20 | trypt | what i had to do |
| 00:14.23 | trypt | i was doing && |
| 00:14.37 | squisher | not the same, but if it works :) |
| 00:14.38 | trypt | which does them consecutivly |
| 00:14.39 | trypt | yeah |
| 00:14.45 | trypt | it doesn |
| 00:14.50 | trypt | which is why i was confused |
| 00:14.50 | nsadmin | well not exactly |
| 00:14.55 | trypt | did think that through :s |
| 00:15.05 | nsadmin | there are two stages to a single package install |
| 00:15.10 | nsadmin | unpack |
| 00:15.13 | nsadmin | configure |
| 00:15.34 | nsadmin | if you say dpkg -i a.deb b.deb |
| 00:15.47 | nsadmin | it unpacks both then configures both |
| 00:16.49 | nsadmin | and there are deps that apply to unpack and others that apply to configure |
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| 00:28.12 | adb | !beer Tired |
| 00:28.12 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for Tired |
| 00:28.21 | Tired | :) |
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| 00:33.32 | markizano | what's the command I type in to configure my firewall? i can't find it in the menu.. :/ |
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| 00:34.07 | IRConan | hi... I'm trying to set up an LDAP server using SSL |
| 00:34.44 | IRConan | I set the TLS certificate options in /etc/ldap/slapd.conf but it doesn't seem to be able to be accessed as an ldaps server |
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| 00:35.07 | pinkisntwell | can someone help me disable my touchpad? i've been trying to do it for like 2 months |
| 00:35.19 | pinkisntwell | it's a synaptics touchpad |
| 00:35.37 | karme | pinkisntwell: which debian version? |
| 00:36.13 | squisher | markizano, afaik there is no universal command... lowlevel it's iptables, but there are several higher packages |
| 00:36.21 | pinkisntwell | karme: lenny |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | BIOS? |
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| 00:37.06 | markizano | squisher: i think I found something for ubuntu, i'll be back if I don't have any luck on this... thanks |
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| 00:37.19 | nsadmin | markizano: some firewalls build themselves once they know what interfaces you have and where they point |
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| 00:38.24 | karme | pinkisntwell: hmm - then i think editing xorg.conf is one way (man synaptics or similar)? |
| 00:38.48 | pinkisntwell | karme: xorg.conf has no references to synaptics whatsoever. i frankly believe it's impossible to disable it |
| 00:39.06 | pinkisntwell | karme: in windows it's possible. but in linux i can't for the life of me do it |
| 00:39.37 | squisher | pinkisntwell, these days xorg.conf is pretty much empty. You'd have to mess with udev rules or something like that to disable it permanently |
| 00:39.49 | pinkisntwell | squisher: what's udev rules? |
| 00:39.52 | karme | pinkisntwell: Option "TouchpadOff" "integer" |
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| 00:40.08 | pinkisntwell | karme: what's that? |
| 00:40.17 | karme | pinkisntwell: man synaptics |
| 00:41.17 | pinkisntwell | karme: it's not listed in xorg.conf. how do i give those options if it's not listed? i've tried adding it to xorg.conf but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 00:41.38 | karme | pinkisntwell: would have to look for that myself |
| 00:42.00 | karme | pinkisntwell: try your favourite search engine with the above option as seed |
| 00:42.03 | pinkisntwell | i've got gsynaptics as well and i've tried to enable shared memory to disable the damn thing but it doesn't work |
| 00:42.19 | karme | pinkisntwell: this should work, too |
| 00:42.19 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: bios ? |
| 00:42.38 | pinkisntwell | anyway what i'm gonna do is go the high-tech way, i'm gonna tape some paper over it and hope it doesn't work |
| 00:42.39 | jintxo | hello, I'm creating filters (rules) with tc, using u32 matches for traffic control. I would like to specify some filters so that they include "any packet that does NOT match the following ip address range". anyone know if it's possible? |
| 00:42.50 | karme | pinkisntwell: nah |
| 00:42.51 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: some heavily locked down phoenix bios |
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| 00:43.08 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: did you man synaptics ? |
| 00:43.19 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:43.48 | karme | pinkisntwell: maybe: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg86441.html |
| 00:43.51 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: it gives options that i should add to xorg.conf. i can't because xorg.conf doesn't list the touchpad. |
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| 00:45.10 | pinkisntwell | karme: i've tried renaming the synaptics driver so the system can't load it but the damn thing still works. |
| 00:45.19 | pinkisntwell | karme: it never dies, it's like highlander. |
| 00:45.34 | pinkisntwell | karme: this post looks interesting though |
| 00:46.31 | TheOnly | could someone please take a quick look through my hal policy .fdi file for my keyboard, 'cause it doesn't seem to be working after today's squeeze update? cheers. |
| 00:46.33 | pinkisntwell | but it doesn't help because i don't have a section in my xorg.conf |
| 00:46.55 | karme | pinkisntwell: it is such a common thing => you will find a solution. you major problem will be that things changed in that area and lenny uses the old method |
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| 00:48.32 | karme | pinkisntwell: there are also nice solutions like disabling the touchpad while typing, or disabling it using some hotkey ... |
| 00:49.34 | pinkisntwell | karme: can you give me one of those solutions? |
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| 00:49.51 | pinkisntwell | karme: the best thing would be to disable it completely. i just want it to die |
| 00:50.04 | pinkisntwell | karme: but i would settle for less at this point |
| 00:50.53 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: you can create on eth atdoes |
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| 00:51.17 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: what's that? |
| 00:52.07 | karme | pinkisntwell: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39537 |
| 00:52.11 | pinkisntwell | i only have one mouse device in xorg.conf |
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| 00:55.52 | pinkisntwell | i'm adding the lines from the last link. do i have change the corekeyboard and corepointer words? |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: that was my attempt at english :) |
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| 01:05.57 | trypt | haha finally i got my nginx->varnish->lighty combo server going |
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| 01:06.44 | ponyofdeath | hi, can I am trying to get 3 monitors via an ati card using fglrx and an intel onboard using intel driver. here is my current attempt which is working for the two monitors connected to the ati but not the one to the intel. http://pastebin.com/m7201f2f4 |
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| 01:07.13 | rgr | Which grub commands do I need to correctly set hte grub options when the drive is currrently sda (its plugged in to usb) but will later be hda when it replaces the curent HD? The update-grub command sees device.map containing hd - I'm not sure where things should be hd or sd at this stage. |
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| 01:11.10 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: your Xorg.0.log might be helpful to someone wanting to hlep |
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| 01:12.50 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: thanks good idea |
| 01:13.27 | ponyofdeath | hi, can I am trying to get 3 monitors via an ati card using fglrx and an intel onboard using intel driver. here is my current attempt which is working for the two monitors connected to the ati but not the one to the intel. http://pastebin.com/m7201f2f4 and here is Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/m1773b617 |
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| 01:18.03 | rgr | I have an external USB drive plugged in. I rsynced to it. It as sda. Now its time to set up grub on it so I can replace the existing drive. But how? update-grub thinks its sda2 and not hda2 (when it becomes the main HD it will be hd and not sd). I cant directly edit the grub.cfg. What steps or config parameters can I tweak to correct this. Google has not been too kind and I am terrified of scrubbing the disk. |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: you're in the *completely* wrong channel |
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| 01:19.49 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: have you tried #xorg ? |
| 01:20.32 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: yeah tried gentoo xorg phoronix and here :) |
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| 01:24.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone know how to get the right click encrypt option to work on Debian 5? Ive never used it before and could use a little help. |
| 01:24.08 | squisher | rgr, look at grub-install to have it install on the correct drive. Then you can manually edit the grub.cfg there. I don't think grub knows about the difference between hda/sda anyway |
| 01:24.22 | squisher | LinuxGuy2009, way too unspecific... right click where? |
| 01:24.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | squisher: right click encrypt option to work. On a file where else. |
| 01:25.16 | squisher | LinuxGuy2009, please realize that there are a number of file managers out there |
| 01:25.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | squisher: Out of the box Debian 5. That better? |
| 01:26.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | squisher: Do you know how this works? |
| 01:26.19 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Gnome or KDE or something else? |
| 01:26.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Gnome |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: this channel is for Debian support .. perhaps try ##linux |
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| 01:29.48 | rgr | squisher: you cant edit the grub.cfg by hand - it wont allow it and says its ellegal. The UUID in it is the one for the boto drive not the new one. |
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| 01:30.09 | rgr | s/boto/boot |
| 01:30.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | It looks for a key I think from the looks of it and I tried going into System->Pref->Encryption & Keyrings.Made a new key called "Encrypt Files" and set a password. When i try and go back to encrypt the file on my desktop it doesnt seem to see the key or I made it wrong or just dont know what Im doing on this part. |
| 01:31.01 | squisher | rgr, yes you can edit it by hand. Sure it will get overwritten when you call update-grub, but until then it will get used. |
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| 01:31.55 | squisher | about the UUID, not sure how to fix that. You sure could do it by hand |
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| 01:32.45 | wrench- | anyone running etch? |
| 01:32.57 | Tired | !anyone using etch |
| 01:32.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses etch, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:33.08 | wrench- | hahahaha |
| 01:33.30 | wrench- | i was wondering if hyper threading was enabled by default in etch |
| 01:33.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Another thing is how to disable the system wide recently used document list? Is it a setting in gconf-editor? |
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| 01:34.08 | wrench- | it doesn't seem to be enabled on my system, but i'm trying to find out for sure |
| 01:35.04 | squisher | wrench-, does hyperthreading necessarily need software support? I think on the hardware side it will just show up as two processors no matter what |
| 01:35.11 | Tired | wouldn't that depend on the kernel alone? |
| 01:35.28 | squisher | hyper threading support just makes more intelligent decisions about the usage of the two virtual processors, I think |
| 01:35.44 | squisher | Tired, I think so |
| 01:36.36 | Tired | just 'cause he was stressing etch so... as far as to make a poll as who uses it |
| 01:36.52 | Tired | how do you see it's not enabled? |
| 01:37.53 | Tired | if you got multiple processors/cores, you should use the -smp kernel packages... for versions before...some version I forgot |
| 01:38.09 | Tired | current 2.6.2x or so kernels are all smp capable |
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| 01:40.09 | Tired | 2.6.18+6etch3 kernels still had smp and non-smp kernel flavors |
| 01:40.59 | rgr | squisher: I tried. It doesnt. I changed all the UUIDS in grub.cfg, rebooted and I see the grub line then a long pause and it says cant find device 8889248-blah blah which is the UUID of the old drive its replacing. |
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| 01:42.50 | MutantTurkey | hi, I've installed debian on my PC, but as usual have mbr problems, so I copied my /boot partition to a usb stick and ran grub setup on the usb on another pc. when i try and boot off the usb (which I get into grub and everythinn is great) it hangs on bootup... I'm not sure but I think grub assumes the usb is the root drive and hangs, any ideas? |
| 01:43.04 | rgr | if you know how I can boot from the rescue line that would be great. |
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| 01:44.51 | squisher | rgr, so you're saying that it was using different values than what you had specified in your grub.cfg? If that's the case, then you must have have used a different grub.cfg than the one you edited. |
| 01:45.45 | rgr | well, theres only the one in /boot/grub/grub.cfg from what I can see. Sigh, I better swap the drives again ;) Thanks for help. I'll double check now. |
| 01:46.20 | rgr | but maybe I can boot from the grub resuce line? It doesnt seem to recogniose the root command though. |
| 01:46.32 | rgr | s/resuce/rescue |
| 01:46.36 | squisher | rgr, oh another maybe easier way would be to swap the drives, and then boot off the debian cd. Chroot into the new system and do everything from there. |
| 01:46.58 | rgr | I dont have a debian cd or a burner. I went the rsync way. |
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| 01:47.28 | rgr | when I chroot does sd become hd? |
| 01:47.51 | abrotman | rgr: you can just use the grub command line when the system boots |
| 01:48.11 | rgr | I dont get to one until the fail - "grub rescue>" |
| 01:48.21 | abrotman | hit the 'e' key at the grub menu |
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| 01:49.28 | rgr | how will that work if it cant see the drivbe the menu is derived from? |
| 01:49.42 | rgr | I see "welcome to grub" and then a pause. |
| 01:49.54 | rgr | then it falls to "grub rescue>" |
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| 01:50.33 | rgr | because the UUID is wrong in grub.cfg. I cant find how to grub install to the external drive and have it set the correct parameters for when that sd is migrated to the main "hd". |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | rgr: hit 'e' when the menu appears .. do not wait for it to boot |
| 01:50.55 | rgr | I did. |
| 01:51.06 | Debian-user | If i do aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade from sid , what will happen, |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | then you change the boot options |
| 01:51.12 | rgr | There is no menu - it just freezes. |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | Debian-user: you shouldn't be using sid if you don't know |
| 01:51.18 | Debian-user | I changed it to sid to testing |
| 01:51.26 | abrotman | Debian-user: you can't really do that |
| 01:51.29 | Debian-user | sources.list |
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| 01:51.51 | Debian-user | How to downgrade from sid to testing ? |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | Debian-user: you do'nt .. i just said that |
| 01:52.17 | abrotman | rgr: if you're not getting the menu, you've got other issues .. does the target machine have a CD drive? |
| 01:52.36 | Debian-user | abrotman: This is not good |
| 01:52.44 | Debian-user | shocking |
| 01:52.45 | squisher | rgr, if the machine freezes up maybe you should try to use grub-legacy instead of grub-pc |
| 01:52.51 | abrotman | Debian-user: you sohuld have known this before using unstable .. |
| 01:53.46 | rgr | no not freezze freeze - just long pause as it tries to talk to the wrong device. |
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| 01:54.29 | rgr | squisher: did I have to update anything after editing the grub.cfg? |
| 01:54.41 | rgr | like the mbr or whatever where grub resides? |
| 01:55.21 | wrench- | squisher: sorry was AFK.... i was referring to hyper-threading support in the default kernel |
| 01:55.56 | wrench- | i know the cpu supports it... i'm just trying to figure out how to determine whether or not it's compiled into the running kernel or not |
| 01:56.25 | squisher | wrench-, I was just trying to explain to you what difference kernel support makes. You could probably check /proc/config.gz for the corresponding kernel option. |
| 01:57.29 | squisher | rgr, grub is installed into the mbr by grub-install. Then at boot time it looks at grub.cfg. So you only have to reinstall grub if you change grub versions or harddrives, not when you edit the configuration |
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| 01:59.02 | dreamer | does anybody know why gallery has been removed from apt? |
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| 02:00.19 | rgr | squisher: I'm swapping drives agin now to check I edited the right cfg file. bit tired and emotional now - a simple upgrade has taken slightly longer than I anticipated ;) |
| 02:00.50 | squisher | rgr, usually the boot CD route is much simpler... so next time, buy some CDRs or a USB stick :) |
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| 02:01.23 | Tired | rgr, thx for highlighting me there :) |
| 02:01.39 | rgr | squisher: I will. I just thought I had it all sussed. damn the uuid stuff at times. |
| 02:02.01 | Tired | dreamer, what makes you think it has? |
| 02:02.13 | rgr | squisher: but back to chroot does the sd then pretend to be hd? |
| 02:02.45 | squisher | rgr, no that's dependent on the kernel and how you connect the harddrive. |
| 02:03.14 | squisher | Tired, you should make your highlighting case sensitive :-P |
| 02:03.32 | Tired | now there's an idea |
| 02:03.35 | rgr | its a pain because its combined with X doing different things on every reboot after the latest squeeze update ;) |
| 02:03.49 | Tired | dunno if the client can do it, though |
| 02:04.27 | Tired | doesn't seem to |
| 02:04.28 | rgr | Tired: make it more 1337 then .. you now Ty73d or something ;) |
| 02:04.38 | Tired | aww |
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| 02:05.07 | squisher | The better suggestion would be the OSS way... hack it if it doesn't support it ;-) |
| 02:06.14 | Tired | hacks teh-Tired-nick |
| 02:08.02 | s-c | WTF |
| 02:08.04 | adb | thou hacks that nick CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:11.51 | rgr | squisher: I double checked. Its definitely pickling up the old uuid from somewhere other than grub.cfg. |
| 02:12.27 | Tired | squisher, very good thinking, but it automatically highlights the nick unconditionally and case-insensitive |
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| 02:13.31 | dreamer | Tired: because I can't find it anywhere :) |
| 02:14.12 | dreamer | Tired: but I'm installing it from their latest stable now, w/e :) |
| 02:14.17 | Tired | dreamer, gallery 1.5.10.dfsg-1 testing/main; 1.5.10.dfsg-1 unstable/main |
| 02:14.47 | Tired | it's not in stable, probably only added lately |
| 02:15.01 | optraz | hi, when we show a package using apt-cache show <package>, and the installed-size according to the debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html total amount of disk space requires to install the named package. when showing sqlite3 with apt-cache, installed-size is 108 but when i do du -ch on all sqlite3 files, it is about 68k, why are them difference so far apart? |
| 02:15.08 | Tired | you can backport it |
| 02:15.13 | Tired | !tell dreamer -about ssb |
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| 02:15.30 | dreamer | I can't find it in lenny |
| 02:15.48 | Tired | because it's not in lenny |
| 02:15.56 | Tired | lenny == stable; squeeze == testing |
| 02:16.15 | dreamer | why isn't the old version still in lenny? |
| 02:16.35 | Tired | it never was? |
| 02:16.51 | dreamer | iirc gallery was in apt some years back |
| 02:17.03 | dreamer | unless back then I installed it from source as well :P |
| 02:17.17 | dreamer | ah w/e |
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| 02:18.22 | rgr | squisher: Ive regenerted the cfg and suppressed UUIDs now so fingers crossed |
| 02:18.22 | smacnay | just realized that when a file is selected in Nautilus, the "send to" option is selected, and the icedove window is opened, the file is not listed as an attachment. |
| 02:19.29 | Tired | dreamer, it was in sarge/woody, it seems |
| 02:20.16 | squisher | Tired, dreamer, maybe security issues threw it out of lenny? |
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| 02:21.19 | Tired | there's three "important" bugs which might have prevented the entry into stable |
| 02:21.35 | matu | !dpkg unrar |
| 02:21.35 | dpkg | [rar] Roshal ARchive, a proprietary archive format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst archive format ever. To extract RAR3 files (the most common archive version), use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" is unable to extract RAR3 files. Install the rar package to create RAR files. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | matu: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 02:22.29 | matu | nothing in non free |
| 02:22.34 | Tired | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gallery.html |
| 02:22.38 | sjr | I have a failing drive, I'm trying to wipe a 'partition' and not the entire drive before sending it to someone to look at it. I don't want to wipe the entire drive because then I'd have to reinstall to demonstrate the error, dd is tanknig. I need a program that will keep running, even simply ignoring bad sectors and write failures to a device. |
| 02:22.43 | matu | is there an easy and very quike solution ? |
| 02:22.55 | matu | quick |
| 02:23.03 | matu | .,. |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | matu: it is in non-free .. you have to set it up |
| 02:23.33 | squisher | sjr, there is dd_something for rescuing drives... I'd guess it can also be used to overwrite one. I just can't remember what 'something' is... maybe resuce? |
| 02:23.56 | abrotman | sjr: dban has a liveCD that can do a single partition IIRC |
| 02:23.57 | optraz | hi, when we show a package using apt-cache show <package>, and the installed-size according to the debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html total amount of disk space requires to install the named package. when showing sqlite3 with apt-cache, installed-size is 108 but when i do du -ch on all sqlite3 files, it is about 68k, why are them difference so far apart? |
| 02:24.14 | sjr | Yeah dd_rescue hmmm |
| 02:24.28 | sjr | I know that dd can ignore read errors but it tanked on write errors |
| 02:26.12 | matu | i updated with apt-get update, added this deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 02:26.14 | matu | nothing |
| 02:26.28 | squisher | matu, that's because it's not in backports |
| 02:26.34 | matu | ah |
| 02:26.41 | squisher | add non-free to the lenny source line |
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| 02:29.10 | dreamer | hmmm I'm trying to add gallery to apache with /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default by means of http://pastebin.com/m7b088fce but after restarting apache the server doesn't respond |
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| 02:30.16 | dreamer | iirc that has worked with other sites |
| 02:30.40 | matu | thx |
| 02:30.42 | dreamer | maybe I had to do somewhere else as well, can't remember, any ideas? :) |
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| 02:48.13 | paissad | hi all, i would like to understand something, i don't see the uncompressed file Package here http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/ |
| 02:48.23 | paissad | but in the Release file into http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable, it's mentionned that that files does exist |
| 02:48.32 | paissad | i'm a little confused :) |
| 02:48.40 | paissad | We just see the release,*bz2 & .gz files |
| 02:49.00 | paissad | same case here for example --> http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/ |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 02:50.07 | paissad | abrotman, i know :) .... but it's just for an examle, btw,the 1st link i posted is debian repository ;) |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | i see that .. |
| 02:51.07 | paissad | abrotman, i went to ubuntu repository hoping to understand further ... |
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| 03:02.28 | rgr | this looks like my issue. the editing of the grub,cfg is not enough. http://www.phwinfo.com/forum/linux-debian-user/373552-sid-grub2-faling-boot-unknown-device-uuid.html |
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| 03:10.10 | nsadmin | what's grub.cfg for? |
| 03:10.28 | nsadmin | not in legacy, or is it? |
| 03:11.09 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:16.22 | DEbiansqueeze | when closing the lid on my lap top my system hangs black screen and this only happen if i close the lid prior to logging in through gdm im using an external monitor. http://debian.pastebin.com/m34e2a32d is the segfault from log if that will help |
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| 03:24.32 | optraz | hi, when we show a package using apt-cache show <package>, and the installed-size according to the debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html total amount of disk space requires to install the named package. when showing sqlite3 with apt-cache, installed-size is 108 but when i do du -ch on all sqlite3 files, it is about 68k, why are them difference so far apart? |
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| 03:36.37 | abrotman | optraz: in lenny? |
| 03:37.01 | abrotman | !depends sqlite3 lenny |
| 03:37.43 | dpkg | sqlite3: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), libsqlite3-0 (= 3.5.9-6) |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | and that installed size probably means no data in the database |
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| 03:40.03 | squisher | DEbiansqueeze, so file a bug for hal |
| 03:41.41 | DEbiansqueeze | ok |
| 03:47.17 | oggei | optraz: i think dpkg-buildpackage fill that entry measuring install tree, and relevant scripts, like /var/lib/dpkg/<pkg>.* ones |
| 03:47.32 | oggei | let's build a sqlite3 |
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| 03:48.19 | astrocub | what is the difference between debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso through debian-testing-i386-CD-42.iso ? |
| 03:48.36 | astrocub | i just need a live cd so that i can install me some debian goodness |
| 03:48.39 | oggei | 42th cd doesn't greets when joining irc |
| 03:48.50 | abrotman | astrocub: use the netinst .. |
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| 03:49.17 | astrocub | does it offer a DE? |
| 03:49.19 | abrotman | astrocub: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:49.25 | abrotman | astrocub: you get it from the internet after you install |
| 03:49.31 | astrocub | that is, does it give me a GUI to work with during installation |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | i guess .. but it's not any better than the TUI one |
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| 03:50.30 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey I need some help with some package sources. |
| 03:50.52 | Seth_Hikaru | I've been meaning to fix them but just kind of ignored it until now because I need them. |
| 03:51.16 | Seth_Hikaru | These have always refused to show up since I installed debian. |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | these? |
| 03:51.31 | astrocub | fine, i'll give the netinstall a go, but if i waste my cd i'll probably break something |
| 03:51.31 | Seth_Hikaru | I'll post them in #flood. |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | astrocub: use a CDRW ? |
| 03:51.58 | astrocub | no cdrws, only cd-r here |
| 03:52.06 | Seth_Hikaru | abrotman I just posted them to flood |
| 03:52.24 | Seth_Hikaru | astroclub cd-r are like 25 cents a piece quit whining. |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: don't hassle him .. paste what i asked you for |
| 03:52.48 | Seth_Hikaru | I did in #flood |
| 03:52.53 | Seth_Hikaru | are you in #flood? |
| 03:52.56 | abrotman | and then i asked for something else |
| 03:53.04 | oggei | optraz: seems to be a rounded du of debian/ dir |
| 03:53.43 | Seth_Hikaru | im not even going to say what i was going to say |
| 03:54.19 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: are you going to paste what i've asked for twice now ? |
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| 03:55.04 | Seth_Hikaru | no im going to type it out |
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| 03:56.06 | astrocub | okay, time to to face the truth... |
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| 03:58.54 | Seth_Hikaru | You could have at least told me what happened to those lines abrotman they did exist at one time. |
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| 03:59.05 | abrotman | no they didn't |
| 03:59.26 | abrotman | i'm not going to argue with you .. you apparently don't want the errors to go away .. have fun |
| 03:59.26 | Seth_Hikaru | So why where they on the netinstall disk? |
| 03:59.42 | abrotman | they weren't |
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| 04:00.11 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: lenny/updates never existed on a non security.debian.org mirror |
| 04:00.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Then how did they appear in the first place when that was the first errors I got when I installed Debian Lenny? |
| 04:00.39 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: you put them there .. the netinst doesn't even enable a deb-src line by default |
| 04:01.45 | Seth_Hikaru | I just said I had just installed it and those were the first errors I got. I hadn't even modified anything on the computer yet and they came into existance on their own. |
| 04:02.18 | Seth_Hikaru | The first thing I did was update and nothing before that. |
| 04:02.45 | abrotman | the netinst enabled backports.org too ? |
| 04:03.01 | Seth_Hikaru | no that was added long after |
| 04:03.04 | Seth_Hikaru | those three lines |
| 04:03.16 | Seth_Hikaru | where default on my installations |
| 04:03.22 | Seth_Hikaru | installation* |
| 04:03.26 | oggei | time to sleep, cheers |
| 04:03.35 | Seth_Hikaru | i never even added them there were just there |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: no, they were not |
| 04:03.44 | Seth_Hikaru | bullshit |
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| 04:03.56 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: the netinst doesn't do a sources.list like that |
| 04:04.13 | Seth_Hikaru | Well then they had to come from somewhere else along the install. |
| 04:04.22 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free <-- this is the line that you added which is wrong |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | but he didn't add it!! |
| 04:04.58 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free <-- this is what you should have added instead. |
| 04:05.17 | Seth_Hikaru | I thought all the important updates came from the .volatile server? |
| 04:05.26 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: no |
| 04:05.51 | Seth_Hikaru | then what is that server for and does it, if ever exist? |
| 04:06.01 | dondelelcaro | what is what server for? |
| 04:06.20 | Seth_Hikaru | .volatile |
| 04:06.26 | dondelelcaro | !volatile |
| 04:06.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
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| 04:07.14 | Seth_Hikaru | then where would this have come from during the install? |
| 04:07.15 | Seth_Hikaru | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources: |
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| 04:07.33 | Seth_Hikaru | Cause I never added it |
| 04:07.33 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: it didn't. You added a deb-src line wrongly |
| 04:07.40 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: well, you're mistaken. |
| 04:07.47 | Seth_Hikaru | No I'm not. |
| 04:07.52 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 04:08.00 | Seth_Hikaru | Because I had no reason ro add a line. |
| 04:08.11 | Seth_Hikaru | Or any for that matter. |
| 04:08.16 | dondelelcaro | considering you had to add the backports line? |
| 04:08.25 | Seth_Hikaru | After 5 monthsa |
| 04:08.29 | dondelelcaro | so? |
| 04:08.41 | dondelelcaro | if it was 5 months ago, who knows what you've done? |
| 04:08.51 | dondelelcaro | The install doesn't add that line, because it'd be totally broken to do so |
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| 04:09.24 | dondelelcaro | if it added anything, it'd be deb-src http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:11.41 | rumpsy | i have a system with ETCH in it, i opened fstab and added a hdd for automount, successfully mounted but, it says, no permission to access the content of that mounted hdd :( ? |
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| 04:11.51 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: what filesystem |
| 04:12.02 | rumpsy | its, ntfs |
| 04:12.16 | dondelelcaro | !rwntfs |
| 04:12.32 | dondelelcaro | !ntfsrw |
| 04:12.32 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 04:12.45 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: rwntfs is <reply> see ntfsrw |
| 04:12.46 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 04:13.08 | rumpsy | oh, i use ntfsmount |
| 04:13.34 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: then presumably you don't have the right uid/gid or umask options |
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| 04:14.36 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs; for more information |
| 04:14.49 | Seth_Hikaru | how can I modify sources.list outside of root? |
| 04:15.05 | rumpsy | Before editing this is in fstab, i used this command, mount -t ntfs -O uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=003 /dev/sda1 /home/rumpsy/mounted ... |
| 04:16.00 | rumpsy | Mounted successfully, with no permission to acces the content,, now i gonna try with ntfs-3g or ntfsmount |
| 04:16.22 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: become root and edit it |
| 04:16.42 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: yeah, that's because that mounts it read-only |
| 04:17.10 | rumpsy | Yes, but root can access it right? |
| 04:17.12 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: you should be able to acess the content if you're uid 1000, but you won't be able modify it |
| 04:17.41 | Seth_Hikaru | good idea dondelelcaro I be sure to get right on that because I didn't want to do that. |
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| 04:18.24 | rumpsy | why you banned him? |
| 04:18.39 | rumpsy | oh my god, you are a op! .. :) |
| 04:19.38 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: mainly because of stuff before you joined |
| 04:19.41 | dondelelcaro | not important |
| 04:20.12 | rumpsy | okay.. |
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| 04:21.30 | rumpsy | dondelelcaro: what is debhelper ?, i went to canonical website yesterday to apply for a job, there they mentioned about, debhelper, dpkg, apt |
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| 04:29.41 | dondelelcaro | rumpsy: apt-cache show debhelper; for details |
| 04:29.49 | dondelelcaro | (it has additional documentation0 |
| 04:29.50 | nsadmin | tables |
| 04:29.54 | nsadmin | err |
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| 04:30.11 | rumpsy | hey nsadmin :) , \o |
| 04:30.16 | nsadmin | debhelper is a collection of little executables |
| 04:30.18 | nsadmin | heya |
| 04:30.31 | rumpsy | sure i'll read about that. |
| 04:30.42 | nsadmin | they are complementary and work when called upon |
| 04:30.59 | nsadmin | they each do a separate task in the process of building a .deb |
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| 04:31.18 | rumpsy | oh |
| 04:31.24 | nsadmin | each has a man page, |
| 04:31.42 | nsadmin | so if they"re saying "know debhelper" |
| 04:31.51 | nsadmin | then you need to learn to package |
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| 04:32.16 | rumpsy | oh.. |
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| 04:33.09 | rumpsy | Thank you for your info. |
| 04:33.36 | optraz | oggei: thanks |
| 04:33.53 | optraz | oggei: so the install-size in apt-cache show sqlite3 only show the size of debian/ ? |
| 04:34.07 | optraz | but not really waht it explain in the debian policy of the package installed size? |
| 04:35.50 | rumpsy | Do i need a antivirus for my Lenny? |
| 04:35.56 | optraz | lol |
| 04:36.42 | optraz | i only heard of email antivirus to scan the mail attachment, example of such app is clamav |
| 04:36.45 | optraz | but not a general av |
| 04:37.09 | rumpsy | oh :) |
| 04:37.20 | optraz | i.e. if you run a mail server |
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| 04:38.02 | rumpsy | okay |
| 04:38.11 | simonrvn | clamav you can use in a more general way too, though |
| 04:38.26 | rumpsy | optraz: listen ^^ |
| 04:38.51 | simonrvn | it has both cli and daemon binaries, and there's gui apps too |
| 04:38.57 | rumpsy | simonrvn: Are they avail in GUI |
| 04:39.34 | optraz | simonrvn: in what sense? |
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| 04:40.20 | rumpsy | simonrvn: But i'm not sure, is that necessary for me? , do you installed that antivirus in your system? |
| 04:40.42 | simonrvn | what do you mean "in what sense" ? |
| 04:41.09 | optraz | more general way too |
| 04:41.11 | simonrvn | i don't use such things except on my mail server. there's no windows machines here. |
| 04:41.25 | rumpsy | simonrvn: okay, :) |
| 04:41.27 | simonrvn | nor do i send attachments to windows users |
| 04:42.27 | rumpsy | simonrvn: Thank you |
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| 04:45.19 | simonrvn | if i did though, i'd either hook it up to thunderbird and mutt via clamscan |
| 04:45.24 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:45.50 | rumpsy | :) |
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| 04:46.07 | HazardX | anyone know of a program to use to list register entries in SD cards? |
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| 04:51.29 | paissad | when we remove a repository from sources.list, how can we remove the related repository from /var/lib/apt/lists/ using an apt comman like ( in order not to use rm command ^^ ) |
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| 04:52.43 | paissad | i see that the related repository contains some files into /var/lib/apt/lists/ , Packages.gz , Contents & release files |
| 04:52.52 | optraz | --list-cleanup |
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| 04:53.20 | paissad | apt-get ? |
| 04:54.13 | spersaud | wholly shit fvwm-crystal is insane !! haha |
| 04:55.40 | optraz | :) |
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| 04:57.05 | hippiehacker | Trying to dim the backlight brightness on iMac10,1 with ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670 / 21.5". The default is insanely bright. Tried aticonfig --set-dispattrib=lvds,brightness:-60 but thats not backlight control... |
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| 05:01.32 | simonrvn | paissad: after an update it disappears |
| 05:02.44 | HellMind | Hello, Im trying to netboot lenny or squeeze on a i5, I cant pass "trying to get default file", my tftp logs shows that the client asked for "/debian-installer/amd64/boot-screens/vesamenu.c32" , so, could be that the problem? |
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| 05:03.21 | HellMind | is there any menu, without colors to try? ( I dont need vesa ) -_- |
| 05:06.35 | HellMind | I think my vga cant handle vesamenu |
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| 05:07.10 | HellMind | why nobody answer ? |
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| 05:08.11 | _theradar | I'm having an issue with playing back HD mpeg files - Audio is out of sync and video is jerky |
| 05:08.29 | _theradar | could that be a limitation of the driver? |
| 05:08.58 | _theradar | I'm using the 173.14 version |
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| 05:11.08 | Debian-user | Is debian testing rolling release ?if i add testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:11.09 | Debian-user | ? |
| 05:11.26 | Debian-user | As no end of life for testing i think |
| 05:13.14 | DEbiansqueeze | just update your sources.list when testing goes stable |
| 05:14.10 | _theradar | when did this channel start requiring nicks be registered? |
| 05:15.29 | Debian-user | DEbiansqueeze: But is debian testing rolling release ? |
| 05:15.33 | Debian-user | I think so |
| 05:17.46 | squisher | Debian-user, afaik testing is essentially a symlink to the current testing release. In that sense it is rolling |
| 05:18.48 | nsadmin | Debian-user why do you ask |
| 05:19.12 | squisher | _theradar, check how much CPU usage you have. You'll probably get better feedback in a channel / forum for the player you are using |
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| 05:19.36 | Tramp | Debian-user: according to how Wikipedia defines "rolling release" it is not. Maybe include that in your homework. |
| 05:19.48 | _theradar | squisher: OK thanks for the info |
| 05:20.33 | Tramp | and I don't think many people want "stable" or "testing" in their sources.list |
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| 05:22.39 | Debian-user | nsadmin: One linux geek want to know this from me |
| 05:23.07 | Debian-user | Tramp: What is rolling release acording to wiki? |
| 05:23.32 | Tramp | Debian-user: your browser does not work? |
| 05:23.44 | nsadmin | tell him "testing" is rolling, and "stable" is rolling... they presently point to lenny and squeeze respectively |
| 05:23.47 | Debian-user | Tramp: Not at this time |
| 05:24.08 | nsadmin | if you run debian maybe we can help |
| 05:24.24 | Debian-user | nsadmin: I surely use debian |
| 05:24.30 | Tramp | it's rolling, bot not a release. Because there is no (or little) focus on stability |
| 05:24.37 | nsadmin | ok, why does your browser not work? |
| 05:25.27 | nsadmin | actually testing does have a focus on stability... if that were not the case, then when released that focus would continue |
| 05:25.40 | Debian-user | I'm temporarily here, i have to repartition my hard disk |
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| 05:25.48 | Debian-user | i'm in serious problem |
| 05:26.07 | Debian-user | backing up system |
| 05:26.07 | DEbiansqueeze | what do you need to know though so we can help you |
| 05:26.44 | Debian-user | nsadmin: How is debian lenny rolling ? |
| 05:27.11 | Debian-user | What is actually rolling release ? |
| 05:27.35 | Debian-user | What's the relation between rolling release and end of life for a version? |
| 05:27.56 | DEbiansqueeze | i would consider that never having to do aptitude upgrade would be a rolling release |
| 05:28.34 | HellMind | guys what for I configured the raid on the bios if i must configure it again on the debian installation :(? |
| 05:29.17 | DEbiansqueeze | is the bios running you raid array? |
| 05:29.48 | DEbiansqueeze | or might debian need to know what to do also? |
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| 05:31.00 | HellMind | How can I tell debian that there are already a raid 1 available :( |
| 05:31.52 | DEbiansqueeze | what are you doing is this a fresh install? |
| 05:31.58 | HellMind | yes |
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| 05:32.21 | HellMind | now is asking about lvm |
| 05:32.28 | HellMind | but I see both disk :( |
| 05:32.28 | DEbiansqueeze | i havent installed with raid in years and it was pretty self explanatory in the set up |
| 05:32.31 | HellMind | It should be 1 |
| 05:33.30 | HellMind | I dont exactly know how the raid is handle, if the chipset do everything or if needs software |
| 05:33.54 | HellMind | If I configured the raid on bios, the os should see just 1 drive |
| 05:34.42 | HellMind | if not, what for I created the mirror drive on the bios :( what is the use of that |
| 05:35.44 | Debian-user | Now browsre is ok |
| 05:35.51 | Debian-user | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release , i got the answer here |
| 05:36.01 | HellMind | http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imsm/sb/cs-020663.htm |
| 05:36.08 | Debian-user | nsadmin: Thank you. |
| 05:36.23 | Debian-user | Thank you very much to everybody |
| 05:36.26 | Debian-user | bye |
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| 06:13.01 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 07:20.14 | HellMind | What do you think about my raid1 , i made a "raid1" and there I created a swap and /, its fine?, Its better to have 2 raids and create the / and swap separately?, I also used LVM. |
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| 07:23.25 | greenmang0 | hello friends, does anybody know how to generate logs in standard Common Log Format ?? |
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| 07:27.36 | yagoo | greenmang0, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Log_Format ? |
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| 07:29.27 | greenmang0 | i checked that.... but from where can I get "request" "statuscode" and "bytes" ... (the last 3 fields) |
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| 07:34.41 | simonrvn | depends on implementation ... |
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| 07:57.10 | Zbyshek | Have someone already upgraded to latest network manager? |
| 07:57.24 | Zbyshek | How I can configure it to take advertised IPv6 |
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| 08:00.07 | paseante | what is the correct way of creating the links in /usr/lib when creating a shared library package? |
| 08:00.23 | paseante | I'm calling dh_link for each .so, but there must be more elegant ways |
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| 08:06.14 | simonrvn | paseante: you'd have better luck asking in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 08:06.39 | paseante | oh ok, thanks simonrvn |
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| 08:07.55 | simonrvn | paseante: i'm looking at openldap and i see things like usr/lib/libldap_r-2.4.so.2 usr/lib/libldap-2.4.so.2 in libldap-2.4-2.links |
| 08:08.26 | simonrvn | paseante: but that's only because it's intentional and built that way |
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| 08:10.24 | paseante | simonrvn: listing the links to create in the .links file is the same as calling dh_link directly with those names |
| 08:10.45 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:10.59 | paseante | simonrvn: it looked to me that some packages do not explicitly create them, (e.g libsoup, I think) |
| 08:11.13 | paseante | simonrvn: nevertheless it's interesting that openldap does it the "manual" way |
| 08:11.19 | simonrvn | rules file: binary-arch: install-stamp\n .... dh_link -a\n .... |
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| 08:11.59 | simonrvn | it's one of those that has to, because they link the libldap.so to the _r version |
| 08:12.32 | simonrvn | usr/lib/libldap-2.4.so.2 -> libldap_r-2.4.so.2 |
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| 08:13.40 | nakamuka | how can i extract the .deb files into some other directory ? |
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| 08:14.04 | neoice | whats the common wisdom on pinning stable but pulling stuff in from testing? |
| 08:14.51 | paseante | nakamuka: dpkg -x |
| 08:14.53 | neoice | it looks like I'll rapidly be upgrading a whole slew of libraries just to get a few apps. |
| 08:16.20 | neoice | it also looks like testing takes priority over backports, even with pinning. |
| 08:16.45 | neoice | I remember reading a long time ago that the ~bpo version modifier got weighted differently |
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| 08:17.43 | simonrvn | because of the ~ it get weighted lower - it's alphanumeric |
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| 08:18.21 | simonrvn | there's some sort of dpkg-* thingy to test versions (/me forgets what now) |
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| 08:19.32 | neoice | bah, might as well just go for it. not like I dont run a half dozen testing/unstalbe machines |
| 08:19.40 | nakamuka | paseante, thanks |
| 08:19.42 | neoice | my personal VM might as well be PART testing. |
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| 08:21.27 | peterrooney | simonrvn: taht would be dpkg --compare-versions |
| 08:21.47 | simonrvn | peterrooney: thanks |
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| 08:30.36 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:30.37 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 08:50.22 | jelly-home | dpkg: literal qotd0 |
| 08:50.22 | dpkg | "qotd0" is "<reply> see qotd(|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24|25)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)" |
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| 08:50.51 | Fudge | what gnome is debian 5.03 using |
| 08:51.17 | tensorpudding | the underwear kind |
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| 08:52.16 | Fudge | :) 2.28? |
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| 08:53.08 | jelly-home | Fudge: does 2.20 make sense as a gnome version? |
| 08:53.11 | tensorpudding | i don't run gnome, but packages.debian.org says 2.22 |
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| 08:53.42 | jelly-home | can't tell, every gnome app and package has its own version |
| 08:53.48 | Fudge | thought it would be at least 2.26 jelly but is that on 5.03 debian |
| 08:54.28 | jelly-home | Fudge: lenny (debian 5.0) package versions were frozen a while ago |
| 08:54.34 | jelly-home | !lenny freeze |
| 08:54.34 | dpkg | Lenny was frozen from Jul 27th 2008 (see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html ), "deep freeze" was from Feb 1st 2009 until the release on Feb 14th 2009. |
| 08:54.51 | Fudge | prob keeps things stable loL |
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| 08:57.28 | Fudge | well thats def a enlightening read |
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| 08:58.13 | Fudge | thank you |
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| 09:12.16 | greenmang0 | how to generate logs in Common Log Format ?? |
| 09:12.25 | greenmang0 | simonrvn: ^^ |
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| 09:15.25 | psycodad | morning, I would like to define some of the custom keys of my logitech kb for i.e. suspend to ram, shutdown etc. what wouÃld be a good keyword for man or apropos to start with ? |
| 09:15.32 | do0ob | hi |
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| 09:15.47 | do0ob | Which tool can show me the ram timings? |
| 09:16.09 | do0ob | its a laptop and memtest showed the dimms running at 555, it should have been 666 |
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| 09:20.05 | petemc | do0ob: dmidecode, perhaps |
| 09:20.29 | do0ob | tried it, i couldn't find it |
| 09:22.37 | HellMind | the stupid debian install the stupid grub with the vesa option on by default |
| 09:22.42 | HellMind | when we gonna learn :( |
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| 09:23.26 | do0ob | HellMind: grub2? |
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| 09:33.16 | optraz | hi, what is the package name for sqlite3 java binding ? |
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| 09:33.44 | Zharf | eclipser 32095 0.0 0.0 1684 444 pts/5 D+ 11:30 0:00 acpi |
| 09:33.46 | Zharf | :< |
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| 09:33.53 | HellMind | do0ob yes :( |
| 09:34.12 | HellMind | I had to use the netboot rescue to edit the damn config |
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| 09:34.33 | HellMind | I was looking for menu.lst :D but there isnt one |
| 09:34.46 | HellMind | its the same bullshit on the netboot |
| 09:35.01 | HellMind | the vesamenu hangs my pc :( |
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| 09:35.09 | HellMind | why they leave vesa as default |
| 09:35.16 | HellMind | just to get more colors :S |
| 09:35.41 | HellMind | I will fill a complain |
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| 09:37.04 | HellMind | i need rain |
| 09:37.11 | optraz | hi, what is the package name for sqlite3 java binding ? |
| 09:37.35 | HellMind | apt-cache search sqlite3 java? |
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| 09:37.45 | optraz | none |
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| 09:43.14 | optraz | http://www.zentus.com/sqlitejdbc/ <== strange it is not in the repository |
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| 09:52.49 | rvsjoen | how can I figure out whether or not snmpd compiled precompiled with perl support in the debian package ? |
| 09:53.08 | rvsjoen | is the easiest way to grab the package source and read the manifest ? |
| 09:53.09 | PerfDave | rvsjoen: Look in /usr/share/doc/snmpd/ ? |
| 09:53.21 | PerfDave | There's probably a README.Debian in there |
| 09:53.45 | rvsjoen | yes, but nothing about perl :/ |
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| 09:58.30 | remoteCTRL1 | i need help on translating a redhat howto to debian please; i want to configure squid to authenticate via nis according to this howto: http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1431 there in the section advanced configuraton the author lists the files to put into /etc/pam.d/squid but those of course dont exist for debian |
| 09:59.03 | remoteCTRL1 | what pam_stack.so does is described here: http://linux.die.net/man/8/pam_stack |
| 09:59.28 | remoteCTRL1 | can anybody pls help me figure out what files to use for that purpose in debian and with which params? |
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| 10:00.12 | PerfDave | remoteCTRL1: You could always *create* /etc/pam.d/squid ... |
| 10:00.37 | remoteCTRL1 | PerfDave: i know the point is what to use in debain instead of pam_stack.so |
| 10:00.57 | remoteCTRL1 | pam_nologin.so exists in debain so no worries there |
| 10:01.16 | PerfDave | I don't know what this debain is. |
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| 10:01.43 | PerfDave | is always suspicious of stuff involving NIS in this century also |
| 10:02.26 | remoteCTRL1 | PerfDave: lol slightly dyslexic today... |
| 10:02.32 | optraz | rvsjoen: yes, snmpd compiled with perl |
| 10:02.58 | PerfDave | remoteCTRL1: What are you actually trying to achieve with Squid? |
| 10:03.12 | remoteCTRL1 | PerfDave: ya me too dude but we have it so i need to implement it ( if it were for me we would have ldap running for a long time...) |
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| 10:03.42 | remoteCTRL1 | PerfDave: i am trying to acchieve that he who uses it has to login first |
| 10:03.54 | remoteCTRL1 | which baiscally works but currently with a passwd file |
| 10:04.24 | PerfDave | What, you have to SSH into the proxy machine to be allowed to use Squid from that IP address or something? |
| 10:04.29 | remoteCTRL1 | purpose of squid is to enable login for road warriors to intranet only access sites |
| 10:04.46 | remoteCTRL1 | currently not nope |
| 10:05.16 | remoteCTRL1 | something alike would be the next step otherwise you send your domainwide login password in cleartext there... |
| 10:06.29 | remoteCTRL1 | In a nutshell, pam_stack lets you "call", from inside of the stack for a particular service, the stack defined for any another service. The intention is to allow multiple services to "include" a system-wide setup, so that when that setup needs to be changed, it need only be changed in one place. |
| 10:06.37 | remoteCTRL1 | what does that for debian? |
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| 10:09.38 | HellMind | damn I installed squeeze, how can I go back lenny :( |
| 10:10.54 | HellMind | How can I downgrade from squeeze to lenny? |
| 10:13.01 | remoteCTRL1 | HellMind: you could apt-pin practically your whole system... or reinstall |
| 10:14.11 | PerfDave | HellMind: It is in practice impossible to downgrade |
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| 10:15.46 | HellMind | yeah its better to reinstall |
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| 10:16.29 | rvsjoen | optraz: ok, thanks |
| 10:16.32 | HellMind | I need recommendation about how to use raid 1, should I ve 1 raid volume and then use lvm, or multiple raid 1? |
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| 10:17.20 | ashledombos | hello |
| 10:17.30 | PerfDave | HellMind: I have two RAID1 devices, one for /boot and one which contains an encrypted partition (which contains LVM) |
| 10:17.50 | PerfDave | Hello ashledombos |
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| 10:18.10 | ashledombos | i have a domain controler on debian etch, however i need samba 3.3 or 3.4 for win 7 :/ |
| 10:18.26 | ashledombos | is there a backport of this samba version for etch ? |
| 10:18.50 | PerfDave | ashledombos: You are aware that Etch loses security support in a fortnight? |
| 10:19.13 | PerfDave | ashledombos: Upgrade your system to Lenny, then get Samba 3.4 from lenny-backports |
| 10:19.24 | PerfDave | etch-backports doesn't have 3.3 or 3.4 |
| 10:19.32 | ashledombos | PerfDave: thanks :) |
| 10:19.49 | PerfDave | ashledombos: http://packages.debian.org/samba - you could easily have checked for yourself ;) |
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| 10:20.29 | PerfDave | wonders if the lenny-backports samba is affected by the security issue that's been fixed in Lenny proper... |
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| 10:24.04 | themill | PerfDave: tracker of doom tracks them: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/samba |
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| 10:25.55 | paseante | is there any way to install .deb packages with apt, so that it install all the required dependencies? |
| 10:26.17 | PerfDave | paseante: Uhm, that's what apt-get, aptitude, synaptic etc. *do* |
| 10:26.33 | paseante | PerfDave: I mean a .deb, a file |
| 10:26.40 | PerfDave | Or do you mean actual .deb files on your hard drive that you install with dpkg? |
| 10:26.45 | PerfDave | paseante: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 10:27.11 | paseante | well, install a .deb file with apt, so that apt installs its dependencies too |
| 10:27.27 | themill | paseante: why do you have a .deb though? |
| 10:27.35 | Appiah | dpkg -i mypackage.deb |
| 10:27.35 | dpkg | package mypackage.deb is already installed |
| 10:27.35 | paseante | because I built it myself |
| 10:27.41 | Appiah | then apt-get install -f |
| 10:27.51 | Appiah | if you are missing dependencies |
| 10:28.19 | PerfDave | paseante: What did you build yourself and how? |
| 10:28.35 | paseante | PerfDave: what are your shoes size? :D |
| 10:28.46 | paseante | Appiah: ok thanks |
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| 10:29.54 | themill | paseante: 90+% of people who ask the question you are asking are trying to do something really crazy like install adobe_flash.deb for ubuntu into their debian systems. It's worth us asking *now* why you're doing it to save us a lot of work when you break your system later... |
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| 10:30.31 | PerfDave | paseante: UK 15, thanks for asking. |
| 10:30.38 | paseante | themill: ok I backported openldap-2.4.12 to lenny |
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| 10:31.57 | PerfDave | paseante: Are the dependencies different from openldap-2.4.11 in Lenny? |
| 10:32.13 | paseante | yes |
| 10:32.35 | themill | paseante: if you're going to do a bit of that sort of stuff, then making your own repo for this would be worthwhile and then apt will sort things out for you automagically. /msg dpkg own repo |
| 10:33.03 | liable | size 15? are you sideshow bob? :) |
| 10:33.40 | Sonne | i'd like to ask a question regarding a package i'm creating, if i may.. :) |
| 10:34.06 | liable | !ask |
| 10:34.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:34.10 | Sonne | i'm packing a software which requires to launch an ssh in background, without any user interactivity |
| 10:34.11 | PerfDave | liable: No, I'm 6' 5" and built like a brick shithouse ;) |
| 10:34.15 | Sonne | (yep, was just introducing :D) |
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| 10:34.35 | PerfDave | Sonne: This is rarely a good idea, but go on :) |
| 10:34.38 | paseante | themill: that's pretty cool actually, I though it would be harder |
| 10:34.47 | Sonne | since the ssh needs to run in background, it can't ask the user to accept the key to the server |
| 10:34.59 | Sonne | so i need it not to ask for it |
| 10:35.00 | liable | PerfDave: then i'll not make fun of you :) |
| 10:35.14 | Sonne | i thought that an echo >> on /etc/ssh/known_hosts in the postinst wouldn't be a very great idea |
| 10:35.21 | Sonne | so i thought it would be worth asking in here :) |
| 10:35.55 | liable | some background on this package? |
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| 10:36.03 | liable | sounds quite fishy really.. |
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| 10:36.14 | Sonne | it's not a public released software |
| 10:36.37 | PerfDave | Sonne: You can look at how NX does it? That manages to tunnel stuff over SSH and still interact with the user from a GUI. |
| 10:36.48 | Sonne | NX? |
| 10:37.30 | PerfDave | JFGI :) |
| 10:37.56 | Sonne | does jfgi stand for just f-- google it? :D |
| 10:38.30 | Sonne | well to me NX stands for non-executable, and it probably has a lot more meanings than i can think about, so i was just asking what that one was :) |
| 10:39.30 | PerfDave | Well to me it's the first hit on Google for the thing I'm talking about ;) |
| 10:39.39 | PerfDave | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology |
| 10:40.05 | Sonne | that sounds like a lot to dig |
| 10:40.12 | Sonne | but thanks for the pointer |
| 10:40.21 | HellMind | PerfDave why you separate your boot? |
| 10:40.50 | PerfDave | HellMind: grub can't boot from an encrypted LVM partition |
| 10:41.13 | PerfDave | That's why the Debian installer sets up encrypted LVM with a seperate /boot :) |
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| 10:42.16 | HellMind | I did in a previous installation 3 raids boot main swap, but now boot is full, I cant upgrade :( |
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| 10:42.23 | HellMind | is to tiny |
| 10:42.31 | HellMind | and isnt lvm so I cant resize |
| 10:42.58 | PerfDave | HellMind: How much stuff do you put in /boot? Mine's like 200MB and largely unused. |
| 10:43.28 | HellMind | 55 m :( |
| 10:43.59 | HellMind | It was enought for the old linux but now |
| 10:43.59 | PerfDave | HellMind: Maybe you should clear out a few old kernels then :) |
| 10:43.59 | HellMind | its nothing |
| 10:44.01 | HellMind | There are just 1 :( |
| 10:44.07 | PerfDave | Meh, I'm using 26MB in /boot and I'm a bit overkill on kernels. |
| 10:44.10 | HellMind | I dont got space for the second :D |
| 10:44.21 | HellMind | the openvz kernel is bigger |
| 10:44.55 | HellMind | but the real question is |
| 10:45.02 | HellMind | Should I separate boot? |
| 10:45.14 | HellMind | Should I separate on LVM or raid |
| 10:45.32 | HellMind | Should I use lvm :X |
| 10:45.39 | PerfDave | HellMind: grub can't boot from LVM |
| 10:45.48 | HellMind | it can :S |
| 10:45.51 | PerfDave | So you need to have your /boot on a non-lvm partition |
| 10:46.08 | liable | !enter |
| 10:46.09 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:47.11 | HellMind | PerfDave I got an squeze with 1 raid, 2lvm partitions / and swap, and it boots |
| 10:51.16 | HellMind | Maybe grub2 can |
| 10:51.59 | PerfDave | grub2 is not grub ;) |
| 10:52.29 | HellMind | I will reinstall and I will try |
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| 10:59.32 | HellMind | bah with lenny the network card isnt work :(, what is between lenny and squeeze? |
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| 11:00.44 | jelly-home | HellMind: there isn't anything in between |
| 11:01.08 | jelly-home | HellMind: consider using a lenny installer with an updated kernel. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 11:01.39 | jelly-home | HellMind: you could also set up that grub2 without reinstalling |
| 11:02.04 | jelly-home | might be a bit of a pain |
| 11:02.37 | HellMind | Im reinstalling using netboot can I use the kmuto kernels? |
| 11:03.05 | HellMind | Sorry I didnt see it |
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| 11:05.59 | HellMind | whats that firmware support?, now linux can upgrade the firmware of netcards? |
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| 11:09.28 | jelly-home | HellMind: linux can load external firmware if a driver/device requires it |
| 11:09.54 | jelly-home | that firmware is often non-free in DFSG sense, so it doesn't come with Debian's default installer |
| 11:10.19 | HellMind | how can I download or make it available to use? |
| 11:12.52 | HellMind | with that installation says that there are no modules for that version and the installation will fail, should I install by hand the new kernel after the installation? |
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| 11:15.45 | jelly-home | that could help, too |
| 11:17.00 | HellMind | but I cant install it |
| 11:17.33 | SPF | how do I know which process is running in which window? like in vnc firefox runs in :2 |
| 11:17.34 | HellMind | I need the lvm module and I cant load it with that kernel |
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| 11:19.32 | HellMind | this is getting more and more complicated :( |
| 11:19.49 | nakamuka | what is the meaning if the package name exists in both session: Conflicts, and Replaces: ? |
| 11:20.00 | nakamuka | it is confusing. could some one guide me ? |
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| 11:20.24 | fishsponge_ | hey people - does anyone know how well Debian will work on a Dell Poweredge R805? |
| 11:20.32 | fishsponge_ | i can't find any info on the web... |
| 11:20.36 | nakamuka | in debian/control file Conflicts:aero Replaces: aero |
| 11:21.01 | jelly-home | SPF: you could take a peek at the value of their DISPLAY via /proc/<pid>/environ |
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| 11:23.19 | SPF | jelly-home: thx for the info ;) |
| 11:23.38 | SPF | sure is usefull info |
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| 11:31.01 | rgr | This is very strange now : eide drive connected viy usb adaptor, rsynced fine. If I (wrongly) "grub-install /dev/sda" then when I make that drive the MAIN hd0 and restart then I see a grub "welcome" message and then it fails because, correctly, the grub.cfg used (and must be somehow used in what grub-install stores) the boot looks for the wrong UUID. I chrooted to the new drive mount, modified /etc/default/grub to not generate UUIDs in the grub.cfg and ran update- |
| 11:31.20 | HellMind | why he uploaded the image in .img instead .iso :( why has to be that complicated -_- |
| 11:32.32 | HellMind | I want to use apple for a while to rest |
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| 11:35.31 | rgr | HellMind: lol |
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| 11:36.24 | gordonjcp | HellMind: ? |
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| 11:36.52 | nakamuka | can some one help me.? in debian/control Replaces:aero does it mean that this package can replace the package 'aero' ? |
| 11:37.05 | nakamuka | does it mean that it removes aero completely ? |
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| 11:42.12 | HellMind | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.12 | HellMind | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.37 | HellMind | 10 minutes to convert an 512mb img to iso |
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| 11:47.14 | arafangion | HellMind: Hard to tell if you're expecting a pat on the back for your awesome benchmark, or to feel sorry that your benchmark is so appalling. |
| 11:48.12 | HellMind | feel sorry man :(, i want to go to sleep, and i started that proc without screen , i donw know how long it will take |
| 11:48.14 | HellMind | cry for me |
| 11:48.55 | gordonjcp | HellMind: why are you converting an img to an iso? |
| 11:49.05 | gordonjcp | iso is for burning CDs |
| 11:49.30 | HellMind | isnt for mounting too? |
| 11:49.35 | HellMind | How can I mount that IMG |
| 11:49.55 | gordonjcp | loopback |
| 11:50.38 | HellMind | fuk is mounted :( |
| 11:50.58 | HellMind | I readed that i must use some udf filesystem |
| 11:50.58 | HellMind | dammit |
| 11:51.20 | arafangion | The kernel does have read-only udf support, but only very partial write. |
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| 11:52.11 | gordonjcp | HellMind: not necessarily |
| 11:52.19 | zinx | HellMind: there are fuse modules for iso and udf that handle formats that aren't just iso info (i.e., ones that have subchannel/other data) |
| 11:52.24 | gordonjcp | all the loopback device does is treats a file as a pretend physical device |
| 11:52.33 | gordonjcp | HellMind: the actual format on the device is unimportant |
| 11:52.41 | gordonjcp | well |
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| 11:53.08 | gordonjcp | it's unimportant for the loopback part, but for actually mounting the FS it needs to be supported ;-) |
| 11:53.20 | mastro | anyone with a debian server running as a vmware virtual machine? |
| 11:53.38 | mastro | I have majour performance issue and I'd like to have some hint |
| 11:53.54 | mastro | (basic vmware + debian I think) |
| 11:54.37 | HellMind | I need help installing lenny with kmuto kernels :( http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/#tftpboot |
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| 11:54.53 | arafangion | mastro: You think? |
| 11:55.05 | HellMind | I dont know how to load the modules for the custom kernel |
| 11:55.24 | arafangion | mastro: It either is or it isn't - additionally, it's either a guest or a host - or you could be using debian for both. |
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| 11:56.13 | HellMind | IT says I must download the cd image but i don tknow what cd image |
| 11:57.17 | arafangion | HellMind: IT? |
| 11:57.25 | HellMind | I found it, damn linux crytic pages |
| 11:57.56 | arafangion | HellMind: They ain't written in conversational english, that's true, but they're decently terse. |
| 11:58.22 | Flomar | dh_clean is in which package? |
| 11:58.29 | HellMind | isnt the languaje the problem, is the way how they did it |
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| 11:59.29 | HellMind | the most important link, is hidden. Its like a damn man page, where it tell you the history of the damn program |
| 11:59.46 | HellMind | I remember why I use windows as desktop |
| 11:59.47 | mastro | arafangion, guest debian vmware |
| 11:59.49 | arafangion | Odd, normally they're little more than references. |
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| 12:00.09 | oggei | aloha |
| 12:00.11 | greenmang0 | Flomar: dpkg -S $(which dh_clean) |
| 12:00.13 | HellMind | the practicity is lost, |
| 12:00.18 | arafangion | mastro: Is your native language French? |
| 12:00.27 | mastro | arafangion, nope, italian |
| 12:00.50 | arafangion | mastro: Close. :) A romance language. :) |
| 12:01.02 | mastro | arafangion, why asking? |
| 12:02.00 | arafangion | mastro: Was just curious, trying to pick up french, and I noticed that you used some spellings that were more like french than english, although they were probably just typos. |
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| 12:02.52 | ekontsevoy | How can I launch any GTK-based app in a given directory via Gnome launcher? Right now it launches in "/" which is super annoying |
| 12:03.30 | arafangion | mastro: In my experience, linux doesn't give you the up-front information you need for basic tasks as well as windows, but windows doesn't give you *any* detail as to more complex tasks. |
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| 12:04.17 | arafangion | mastro: Anyway, as to your problem, just state the question you have and see if you have an answer, don't make strangers try to determine what the question is - make it easy for us and just say it. :) |
| 12:04.28 | mastro | arafangion, anyway can you help me with vmware debian guest? |
| 12:04.37 | Flomar | greenmang0, didn`t returned the expected result... i want to install dh_* tools but i forget the package name... |
| 12:04.38 | battro | anybody know of a good gui frontend for graphviz? |
| 12:04.53 | mastro | arafangion, symple: 100% of (system) CPU when copying files (cp command taking 100% system cpu) |
| 12:04.54 | greenmang0 | Flomar: oh... it's debhelper |
| 12:04.56 | arafangion | battro: There aren't any, that's the point. |
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| 12:05.13 | battro | oh D: |
| 12:05.33 | greenmang0 | Flomar: i thought you already have it installed... and want to find what package does "dh_clean" belong to |
| 12:05.52 | arafangion | battro: A gui would defeat the purpose - that said, there are gui's for it on Mac OS X and Windows, although by far, the mac os x one is nicer, however, you really do need to type teh thing yourself, with a text editor, and then convert it to any image you like. |
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| 12:06.54 | arafangion | mastro: I'm not sure if you can avoid that - you're essentially doing the copy in software, not using hardware DMA channels, which I'm not sure are available. What kind of computer do you have? (Specifically, what CPU?) |
| 12:07.04 | mastro | arafangion, I installed with debian netinstall (stable). did not installed open-vm-tools nor any other modules/drivers |
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| 12:07.27 | arafangion | mastro: I think you may want to have both VT-x and VT-d support in your CPU to hopefully improve the I/O performance. |
| 12:09.00 | mastro | arafangion, it's a server. The host machine is a server running vmware server and I have no access at it, I just know is some kind of unix. The guest is a vmware guest with debian I installed on it. I though of dma too... but I think this are more motherboard drivers problem then dma. I installed choosing LVM if this could help and.. I can provide an lspci output.. just let me paste it |
| 12:09.40 | arafangion | mastro: Don't paste it here. |
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| 12:10.00 | mastro | arafangion, I know :) |
| 12:10.06 | arafangion | mastro: Virtualisation is a *huge* drain on a server, you really are relying on what CPU features you have. |
| 12:10.46 | arafangion | mastro: IO is always bad, it's perhaps one of the worst parts of virtualisation solutions. |
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| 12:12.33 | inckie | how do i update rubygems, when the update command is disabled in debian, and the debian repositories are outdated? |
| 12:12.59 | cantido | arafangion: finally someone I can agree with on virtualisation ;) |
| 12:13.24 | cantido | inckie: iirc ruby stuff installed via dpkg is kept out of rubygem because the two things conflict |
| 12:13.39 | cantido | inckie: it has info about this on the debian ruby page IIRC |
| 12:13.39 | arafangion | cantido: What? I had naively assumed that everyone knew that! |
| 12:13.49 | mastro | arafangion, http://pastebin.com/m2574cb68 |
| 12:13.59 | inckie | cantido doesn't help me on how to update? |
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| 12:14.15 | cantido | arafangion: no, lots of people think its some miracle technology that means they can get multiple machines into a single machine of the same spec |
| 12:14.49 | cantido | inckie: you cant use rubygems to update ruby parts that have come from debian.. unless there are newer pages |
| 12:15.23 | cantido | inckie: you probably don't want rubygems going around and changing stuff that dpkg is tracking |
| 12:15.26 | mastro | arafangion, are VT-x and VT-d something I had to enable on the host? i've no access at all to the host |
| 12:15.28 | cantido | s/pages/packages |
| 12:15.41 | arafangion | mastro: I think you may need to enable them in the BIOS. |
| 12:15.46 | cantido | mastro: those need to be enabled in the bios if the hardware supports them |
| 12:16.00 | inckie | 1.2.0 |
| 12:16.02 | arafangion | And that's a big if. The CPU would need to be recent. |
| 12:16.02 | inckie | -3) |
| 12:16.04 | inckie | Links for rubygems |
| 12:16.06 | mastro | arafangion, cantido the host bios.. no access there |
| 12:16.06 | inckie | Debian Resources: |
| 12:16.09 | inckie | * Bug Reports |
| 12:16.10 | inckie | * Developer Information (PTS) |
| 12:16.14 | inckie | sry |
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| 12:16.37 | cantido | mastro: if its a "server" you should have access to that stuff by whatever remote access thingy it has.. |
| 12:16.47 | arafangion | mastro: Then you're stuffed. :) Even if you have it, I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes, though. |
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| 12:17.15 | inckie | cantido i have a plugin which requires 1.3.5 and the debian repo is only 1.2.0 |
| 12:17.24 | inckie | howcome hasn't the debian package been updated? |
| 12:17.24 | cantido | mastro: if you're running lots of "linux" environments look into LXC too :) |
| 12:17.30 | cantido | inckie: are you running stable? |
| 12:17.38 | arafangion | doesn't actually do virtualisation, except on his xeon workstation, which is so old it only has VT-x |
| 12:17.46 | inckie | ye |
| 12:17.48 | inckie | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rubygems |
| 12:17.58 | mastro | cantido, i only have access to the vmware console |
| 12:18.00 | cantido | inckie: so it won't be updated until squeeze is released |
| 12:18.09 | mastro | the server I have access is the guest one |
| 12:18.14 | mastro | (candido) |
| 12:18.19 | inckie | thats stupid |
| 12:18.22 | mastro | (cantido) |
| 12:18.26 | cantido | inckie: why? |
| 12:18.51 | cantido | mastro: can you read /proc/cpuinfo and check what processor flags there are? |
| 12:19.07 | cantido | I haven't seen a bios with vt-x disabled by default except some dell workstation.. |
| 12:19.24 | inckie | why not update, when the source is available. Is there anyway i can install the package from ubuntu repo. It's updated |
| 12:19.24 | HellMind | ext4 is still experimental ? |
| 12:19.26 | cantido | inckie: stable is meant to be a non-moving target.. |
| 12:19.47 | wintix | after thinking my spamfilter actually worked, i discoverd that my postfix bounces mail because of postfix/smtpd[25485]: warning: not enough free space in mail queue: 1048924160 bytes < 1.5*message size limit - however i am unable to discover why that is. i have several gb free in my maildir and at least 1000mb on any mounted device. any hints where to go from here? i went through all configs and checked every limit. i actually ... |
| 12:19.52 | arafangion | cantido: Do you fancy your chances at guessing which brand my workstation is? ;) |
| 12:19.53 | wintix | ... increased max mailsize to several hundrer mb but that didn't help either. |
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| 12:20.13 | cantido | arafangion: mmmmmmm does it start with .. D? |
| 12:20.49 | arafangion | cantido: Can't remember, it's black, with a fake-silver front to it. ;) |
| 12:20.56 | mastro | cantido, on the host or on the guest? on the host I can't. on the guest: http://pastebin.com/m68f9a3d5 |
| 12:20.56 | cantido | inckie: you realise you can run your own local ruby environment right? |
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| 12:21.36 | jelly-home | wintix: pastebin the logs and postconf -n, or ask in #postfix |
| 12:21.44 | cantido | mastro: that Xeon should have the VM stuff I think.. but you can't tell from the guest |
| 12:22.04 | inckie | cantido yeah, but don't know how to install it. |
| 12:22.14 | cantido | mastro: if the machine has vmware installed chances are the person that installed it enabled any vm stuff at the same time |
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| 12:22.56 | cantido | inckie: I'm pretty sure there are docs/blogs/wiki out there |
| 12:23.14 | wintix | jelly-home: just discovered the postfix channel. i will gather information and give it a try there. thank you. :) |
| 12:23.15 | inckie | cantido sure. but know it's running. |
| 12:23.26 | inckie | would be stupid to start all over |
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| 12:23.32 | inckie | but screw it |
| 12:23.57 | cantido | inckie: stable is meant to be stable, you won't get newer packages except security updates |
| 12:24.48 | cantido | inckie: testing or unstable might have never packages, you could do a backport.. but you might find you might need to backport lots of other stuff to. chances are that someone has already done what you need though |
| 12:24.57 | cantido | s/never/newer/ |
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| 12:28.41 | Flomar | hello guys i have a .deb building question: i`m getting: Install the appropriate db*-devel package first. but i didn`t found any db*-devel package in my apt-get search |
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| 12:29.53 | PerfDave | Flomar: What are you doing to get that message? |
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| 12:30.18 | Flomar | PerfDave, i`m trying to build a source to a binary... postfiv-vda source |
| 12:30.45 | Flomar | i tried dpkb-buildpackage -d -rfakeroot and debian/rules binary ... both show same errors... |
| 12:32.05 | PerfDave | Flomar: Did you do "apt-get build-dep $package"? |
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| 12:32.18 | PerfDave | That'll install everything you should need to build it. |
| 12:32.57 | Flomar | PerfDave, No |
| 12:33.00 | Flomar | doing it now |
| 12:33.04 | PerfDave | Flomar: This isn't a Debian package, is it? |
| 12:33.09 | Flomar | no |
| 12:33.11 | Flomar | not official |
| 12:33.14 | Flomar | postfix-vda |
| 12:33.26 | PerfDave | Hmm, the build-dep information may not be right for Debian then. |
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| 12:36.54 | HellMind | damn I cant erase all the LVM partitions! |
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| 12:39.07 | nvz | HellMind: why not? ;) |
| 12:39.18 | nvz | another good question would be, why do you want to... |
| 12:39.20 | HellMind | dunno some error |
| 12:39.30 | HellMind | now i got duplicated vlm partition partman sucks |
| 12:39.39 | HellMind | because isnt work :S |
| 12:39.53 | HellMind | its like a phantom partition i want to start again :( |
| 12:40.53 | nvz | HellMind: are you in the middle of an install on a clean system, or is this a system with data on it that you are manipulating live? |
| 12:41.06 | HellMind | its a clean system |
| 12:41.17 | HellMind | hellp me to erase all the partition data :( |
| 12:41.37 | nvz | are you in debian-installer right now? |
| 12:41.41 | HellMind | yes |
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| 12:42.37 | HellMind | so? |
| 12:43.31 | nvz | idk, I don't know off the top of my head what you're looking at in the d-i partitioner. I would need time to fire up a VM and boot a netinstall iso to help |
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| 12:44.02 | mihamina | hi all, where is the mentors chan? |
| 12:44.13 | mihamina | I got some packaging questions... |
| 12:44.17 | HellMind | vgreduce --removemissing VolGroup00 |
| 12:44.18 | HellMind | vgremove VolGroup00 |
| 12:44.20 | nvz | I've been through D-I countless times over the lat 10 years, but hell if I can remember what it looks like or how it works unless I'm looking at it |
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| 12:46.36 | J_P | hi all |
| 12:47.20 | J_P | What package has thats utils to transform a kind of imagem to another? like png2jpeg, ppm2png e so on..? |
| 12:47.24 | nvz | mihamina: there isn't one that I know of. You can generally ask those questions here or on #debian on irc.debian.org(irc.oftc.net) |
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| 12:48.04 | nvz | !mentors |
| 12:48.05 | dpkg | i heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 12:48.08 | nvz | mihamina: ^ |
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| 12:48.26 | nvz | mihamina: apparently there is one on OFTC |
| 12:48.49 | HellMind | bah man I will not use vlm is total bullshit , its a phantom partition you can use it you cant erase it im tired |
| 12:49.00 | mihamina | nvz: thanks. |
| 12:49.32 | PerfDave | HellMind: Why are you typing in commands manually in debian-installer? Just reboot, start from scratch. |
| 12:51.46 | nvz | mihamina: no problem, learned something new. ;) |
| 12:52.22 | jelly-home | J_P: imagemagick or graphicsmagick |
| 12:54.24 | HellMind | PerfDave I didnt, but it trows error when I try to delete the vlm swap partition, and when I go back to that screen I see that there is another swap partition called swapp1p1p1p1 and it keeps adding it |
| 12:54.34 | HellMind | I just need a way to delete de damn vlm |
| 12:54.38 | HellMind | i will never use it again |
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| 12:55.31 | PerfDave | HellMind: What's a VLM? |
| 12:55.51 | jelly-home | PerfDave: lvm for sydlexics |
| 12:57.21 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Fair enough, just making sure we're all on the same gape. |
| 12:58.06 | HellMind | lvm man |
| 12:58.24 | HellMind | Im tired |
| 12:58.37 | HellMind | I want to kill linux |
| 12:58.41 | HellMind | i mean linus |
| 12:58.44 | PerfDave | HellMind: Might I suggest that you take a nap and come back afresh? |
| 12:58.55 | HellMind | I want to finish |
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| 12:59.16 | HellMind | this is so stupid i must reboot for each logical volume lvm that i want to erase |
| 12:59.34 | HellMind | How isnt a way to clean format /lvm -_- |
| 12:59.46 | PerfDave | I don't know whaat you're doing, but I don't have to reboot to erase LVs... |
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| 13:00.12 | PerfDave | And what's Linus got to do with LVM? |
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| 13:02.10 | HellMind | PerfDave im doing that erase lvs.. with partman, its hard to understand? |
| 13:02.43 | PerfDave | I don't know what partman is, I thought you were using the Debian installer? |
| 13:03.06 | jelly-home | HellMind: have you shut down all the lv-s and vg- and pv-s in the correct order? |
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| 13:07.49 | HellMind | how can I shut down |
| 13:08.09 | HellMind | I think the problem is that the lvs are over a md that isnt exist |
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| 13:08.40 | HellMind | I cant find any help, about how to erase all the lvm registry |
| 13:09.07 | silidan | him, wat package do i need in debian lenny so that when i connect a digital camera it automatically mounts its filesystem and gives me a link on my desktop (gnome) |
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| 13:10.32 | arafangion | Hey, when I'm watching a movie (eg, with Totem), the first attempt always fails, but the second time I try, it recognises the DVD fine. What's wrong? Also, the screen keeps turning off (Probably power saving - how do I prevent that from happening?) |
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| 13:12.20 | HellMind | it says it cant remove open logical volume swap |
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| 13:15.12 | HellMind | looks like its using the swap |
| 13:15.19 | HellMind | dunno why, because is a damn netboot |
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| 13:16.16 | petemc | HellMind: swapoff |
| 13:16.43 | HellMind | I saw that in google and didnt result for them |
| 13:16.47 | HellMind | I will try :( |
| 13:16.59 | petemc | why the sad face? |
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| 13:18.10 | silidan | problem solved: gthumb seemed to have been deinstalled by deinstalling glibphoto but not installed again... |
| 13:18.14 | HellMind | because I knew it didnt work |
| 13:18.23 | HellMind | this error is so stupid |
| 13:18.34 | HellMind | and im stucked here, dunno whos fault is :( |
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| 13:18.40 | petemc | yours |
| 13:18.45 | HellMind | why? |
| 13:18.52 | petemc | you clearly dont know what you're doing |
| 13:18.55 | HellMind | I didnt tell that it should mount the damn swap |
| 13:19.09 | HellMind | oh really |
| 13:19.13 | petemc | yes |
| 13:19.15 | HellMind | I m deleting the damn lvm |
| 13:19.22 | petemc | or trying to |
| 13:19.23 | HellMind | erase clean, puff |
| 13:19.28 | HellMind | bye lvm |
| 13:19.32 | HellMind | but it cant be done |
| 13:19.36 | petemc | it surely can |
| 13:19.53 | HellMind | why isnt there any command to force the removal |
| 13:20.10 | petemc | partitions need unmounted before logical volumes can be removed, then volume groups need deactivated before they can be removed |
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| 13:20.26 | HellMind | I didnt mount swap man, this is a netbook (netinstall) |
| 13:20.28 | arafangion | So, how do I stop my screen from blanking out? |
| 13:20.40 | HellMind | why it moutn the swap on the hd automacally? |
| 13:21.00 | HellMind | How can I umount it if its mounted randomly |
| 13:21.11 | petemc | you think you should have to activate swap manually? thats a better solution? |
| 13:21.26 | PerfDave | HellMind: cat /proc/swaps to see what swap space is being used, swapoff to stop using it. |
| 13:21.33 | petemc | its not random, you just dont know what you're doing |
| 13:21.35 | HellMind | If its a netinstall it shouldnt use the hd for swap |
| 13:21.40 | petemc | ... |
| 13:21.51 | HellMind | PerfDave swapoff isnt work |
| 13:22.02 | petemc | what happens when you try? |
| 13:22.13 | HellMind | nothing |
| 13:22.15 | HellMind | no error |
| 13:22.23 | petemc | so that indicates it worked |
| 13:22.26 | PerfDave | HellMind: What's the output of "cat /proc/swaps" on your system? |
| 13:22.26 | HellMind | but its mounted because it cant be erased |
| 13:22.45 | HellMind | what for you need that |
| 13:22.49 | HellMind | ITS MOUNTED |
| 13:23.11 | PerfDave | HellMind: PROVE IT |
| 13:23.23 | PerfDave | HellMind: What's the output of "cat /proc/swaps" on your system? |
| 13:23.40 | HellMind | empty |
| 13:23.44 | HellMind | isnt listed there |
| 13:23.49 | PerfDave | Right, then your LV is not being used as swap space. |
| 13:23.57 | HellMind | but I still cant remove it |
| 13:24.13 | petemc | are you trying to remove the LV or the VG ? |
| 13:24.24 | HellMind | both |
| 13:24.26 | PerfDave | HellMind: You might not be able to remove it, but it's not because it's mounted as swap. |
| 13:24.29 | HellMind | everything |
| 13:24.43 | PerfDave | HellMind: What's the output of "pvs" "vgs" and "lvs" on your system, and what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:24.47 | HellMind | oh, i must to buy 2 new hd |
| 13:25.05 | petemc | HellMind: whats the output of lvremove /dev/yourvg/yourlv ? |
| 13:25.05 | HellMind | I dont want to use lvm anymore |
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| 13:25.24 | HellMind | petemc can't remove open logical volume swap |
| 13:25.46 | petemc | when did you last try? |
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| 13:26.32 | HellMind | now now now |
| 13:27.02 | HellMind | PerfDave lvs shows the swap, vgs shows my group turilli, pvs show the md1 |
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| 13:28.06 | HellMind | I created that lvm with squeeze now im trying to remove it with lenny (I m doing that because it coulnt use the parttions to the new lenny installation so I want to start all over) |
| 13:28.39 | HellMind | where are those lvm records stored?, there must be a hard way to clean it |
| 13:28.46 | petemc | fdisk |
| 13:28.59 | HellMind | how? |
| 13:29.22 | petemc | delete all partitions with fdisk, then get the installer to recreate them |
| 13:29.51 | HellMind | the raid partitions? |
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| 13:30.16 | petemc | you have raid on a netbook?! |
| 13:30.27 | HellMind | netboot |
| 13:30.29 | HellMind | -_- |
| 13:30.43 | HellMind | im installing using the netboot method |
| 13:30.50 | HellMind | its a raid 1 |
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| 13:32.12 | petemc | if you want to attempt to delete the lv again, then give the exact error message and anything in the logs |
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| 13:33.19 | silidan | i changed my fstab, what do i need to do for them to take effect? |
| 13:33.27 | HellMind | Can't remove open logical volume "swap" |
| 13:34.11 | petemc | maybe restart the install |
| 13:34.23 | HellMind | the swap partition remains |
| 13:34.31 | petemc | if you try to deactivate the vg i assume it complains something is using it? |
| 13:34.44 | HellMind | how can I deactivated? |
| 13:34.46 | petemc | vgchange -an |
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| 13:35.30 | HellMind | it cant because the swap volume is open |
| 13:36.02 | petemc | and if you run swapoff -a , then try again? |
| 13:36.17 | HellMind | I told you no errors on that |
| 13:36.28 | HellMind | but no changes neither |
| 13:36.39 | HellMind | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user@lists.debian.org/msg549929.html |
| 13:37.14 | HellMind | this guy is having the same problem as i, dunno if his fix suits me, because mine its a netinstall |
| 13:37.55 | petemc | HellMind: and if you restart the install ? |
| 13:38.12 | HellMind | I rebooted |
| 13:38.20 | HellMind | the damn swap partition is always there |
| 13:38.48 | petemc | the installer wouldnt automatically start using swap on lvm |
| 13:39.06 | jelly-home | HellMind: uhm... you can always nuke the partition table and reboot... dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=512 count=1 |
| 13:39.12 | petemc | its md |
| 13:39.13 | HellMind | someone is open it, and cant be closed :( |
| 13:39.23 | HellMind | at least jelly :( |
| 13:39.23 | jelly-home | over all the disks, then! |
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| 13:39.37 | HellMind | thats what I wanted :( |
| 13:39.44 | petemc | HellMind: i suspect theres something you're not telling us |
| 13:39.45 | PerfDave | Take off and nuke the site from orbit! It's the only way to be sure! |
| 13:39.54 | jelly-home | HellMind: dd doesn't care that a disk is "opened" |
| 13:40.11 | HellMind | ok i will do that with both disk |
| 13:40.15 | HellMind | and hard reboot |
| 13:40.26 | HellMind | ok? |
| 13:40.32 | HellMind | it will not break my hd right :P |
| 13:40.38 | jelly-home | do a sync before rebooting to be sure |
| 13:40.49 | HellMind | how to? |
| 13:40.56 | jelly-home | it's a command. |
| 13:41.32 | HellMind | just sync <-| |
| 13:41.52 | rgr | Can anyone think how a UUID is getting into the data a grub-install puts on the drive. I removed the UUIDs from the grub.cfg on the new drives. But when that drive is inserted as the primary hd0, I see "Welcome to grub" and then a long pause before it says devixe 888232-2323 etc is not available where THAT UUID is the UUID of the drive being replaced. |
| 13:42.20 | arafangion | grub probably makes it up. |
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| 13:43.14 | arafangion | ie, if you install grub onto a drive, it probably puts on a UUID, and then puts that same UUID into the config file, so that it can match up the file to the actual partition or drive. |
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| 13:45.02 | rgr | what do you mean "makes it up"? grub does not assign uuids. |
| 13:45.21 | rgr | and there is no uuid 888xxx etc in the grub.cfg. This is the problem. |
| 13:45.25 | arafangion | Well, every time you see a UUID, you know that it's there so that something else can recognise it. |
| 13:45.40 | arafangion | They are universally unique identifiers. |
| 13:45.42 | rgr | I modified /etc/default/grub so grub.cfg used partion names and not UUIDs. |
| 13:46.17 | rgr | I know what a UUID is. The problem is that at boot its looking for a non existent one. And I dont know why it is. The one its looking for is th UUID of the old drive being replaced.+ |
| 13:46.32 | arafangion | It's in /etc/default? Strange, I thought that grub uses /boot/grub.lst or something. |
| 13:46.34 | rgr | and that is not mentioned in the grub.cfg |
| 13:47.03 | rgr | squeeze etc has moved onto grub2. Sorry for not clarifying. |
| 13:47.14 | HellMind | it works, ty jelly-home, and petemc and PerfDave you should be ashamed! |
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| 13:48.00 | jelly-home | ... |
| 13:48.48 | jelly-home | !win HellMind |
| 13:48.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, HellMind! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:48.51 | PerfDave | HellMind: Why should I be ashamed? I gave you very simple instructions and asked very simple questions to try and help you, and you ignored me and shouted at me. I pointed out that your assumptions were wrong, and you still persisted in claiming to be right. You've rejected every attempt I've made to help you understand what it is you're trying to do. |
| 13:49.03 | petemc | HellMind: you're a moron |
| 13:50.55 | HellMind | I do not need to understand nothing, you arent helping saying the same thing over and over again |
| 13:51.11 | HellMind | Helping is what jelly-home did |
| 13:51.30 | arafangion | rgr: Hmm, so it has. Sorry I can't help, although I wonder if grub is pulling it out of the boot record itself? |
| 13:51.42 | HellMind | I apreaciate if you tried to help me but, you didnt trusted me. |
| 13:52.07 | petemc | yeah, you appreciate it by saying we should be ashamed for your lack of knowledge |
| 13:52.09 | HellMind | Now i got another dilema, How I should install the raid1 |
| 13:52.24 | HellMind | petemc its a joke to se your reaction. |
| 13:52.31 | arafangion | HellMind: Learn the basics first before you mess with RAID. |
| 13:52.35 | petemc | side splitting stuff |
| 13:52.56 | rgr | arafangion: thats what seems to me. How is that f***ing UID being put in the boot record? |
| 13:53.05 | HellMind | arafangion the basics of what :D? |
| 13:53.42 | koollman | rgr: are you sure the error is related to grub ? |
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| 13:54.01 | HellMind | I wonder if I should create 2 raids or 1 raid with 2 lv |
| 13:54.05 | koollman | rgr: could be an argument passed to the kernel, or in fstab. (or a bit more subtle, in the initrd) |
| 13:54.29 | arafangion | HellMind: The basics of hard drive partitions, before you start messing with redundancy. |
| 13:54.44 | PerfDave | HellMind: I had every reason not to trust you. You were making false assumptions about what was happening on your system, and covering it up. |
| 13:54.58 | rgr | koollman: could be I guess. But we dont get to a kernel ... we see the grub welcome message then a long pause and then it says it cant find the boot device 88xx- etc. Where that is the UUID of the drive being replaced. |
| 13:55.25 | rgr | so from this I know : new drive is there (we see grub), the boot code is looking for the old UUID. |
| 13:55.54 | rgr | now the question is, why i the boot code hard wired for that UUID? |
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| 13:58.07 | koollman | rgr: well, when you get to the grub message, press anything to get to the menu, from which you can edit the lines used |
| 13:58.40 | rgr | koollman: I cant - there is no menu. It does not find the menu (grub.cfg) because it can not access that drive. |
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| 13:59.23 | rgr | Or it does (it boots the grub welcome msg) but then the boot code is looking for the old UUI and not the one where the kernels and grub.cfg are, |
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| 13:59.26 | HellMind | PerfDave no, i tell you the truth , the damn lv was open without a reason |
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| 14:00.14 | HellMind | Look what Im doing, No lvm anymore, I created 1 raid1 for 485gb for / and another one for swap of 15gb |
| 14:00.23 | HellMind | lvm sucks |
| 14:01.08 | rgr | I'm not sure what I hate most - grub/grub2 mess or nvidia/xorg mess ;) |
| 14:01.22 | abrotman | nvidia mess is your own doing |
| 14:01.32 | arafangion | Both are preferable to ati messes. |
| 14:01.38 | rgr | lol true. |
| 14:01.39 | arafangion | has an ATI Radion 9600 |
| 14:01.44 | rgr | ouch |
| 14:01.44 | abrotman | arafangion: the open source drivers are a mess ? |
| 14:01.46 | arafangion | *Radeon, rather. |
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| 14:02.11 | rgr | I dropped ati because of poor Linux support. And of course abrotman is wrong - xorg is a mess too at the moment. Nothing to do with me personally. |
| 14:02.17 | arafangion | abrotman: Yes, they hard-lock the graphics card, causing the display to freeze, to the point that the image survives a reboot. |
| 14:02.30 | arafangion | abrotman: Only momentarily, mind you. |
| 14:02.33 | PerfDave | HellMind: I no longer care what you're doing. You are rude, and you are a liar. |
| 14:02.42 | abrotman | rgr: buying hardware from a vendor that onyl distributes binary junk is your fault .. |
| 14:02.44 | arafangion | PerfDave: Just drop it, please. |
| 14:02.57 | arafangion | abrotman: What vendor do you use for good OpenGL support? |
| 14:02.59 | rgr | abrotman: give it a rest and take your OSS rants to #offtopic please. |
| 14:03.26 | abrotman | rgr: you're ranting in here .. |
| 14:03.29 | rgr | (i meant a smiley on that ...) |
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| 14:03.43 | abrotman | arafangion: i don't play games on my PCs .. intel is more than sufficient (and has GL support) |
| 14:03.46 | rgr | How am I ranting? xorg is a mess at the moment. Its nothing new. |
| 14:03.48 | arafangion | rgr: A comma wouldn't have gone too bad, either. |
| 14:04.05 | arafangion | abrotman: Hmm, maybe I should consider intel, then - I'm wanting to replace this crap Radeon. |
| 14:04.09 | HellMind | PerfDave Im not a liar man, I told you the truth, i think the lv scre because i removed the raid or something and the lv need that :S |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | arafangion: and i don't have to play games with crappy drivers every time xorg/kernel changes |
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| 14:04.29 | PerfDave | is having trouble with getting DRI working on Intel graphics in Lenny :/ |
| 14:04.30 | abrotman | arafangion: there are no discreet intel cards sadly |
| 14:04.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: which card? it might be too new |
| 14:04.45 | rgr | The nvidia drivers are pretty good with m-a and perform superbly. If you have low needs then use the free ones. |
| 14:04.47 | arafangion | abrotman: In my experience, the nvidia ones are usually pretty good, if you do the m-a thing each upgrade. |
| 14:04.48 | abrotman | IIRC it stopped at 915 |
| 14:05.08 | PerfDave | abrotman: Nah, I've heard reports on the Magic Internets of people getting this working with Lenny. |
| 14:05.10 | rgr | arafangion: agreed. But abrotman won't hear you - he's "pure" ;) |
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| 14:05.33 | arafangion | Being "pure" does vastly simplify maintanance. |
| 14:05.34 | abrotman | rgr: i didn't say that .. i'm just saying that *intentionally* buying a discreet card from a company that doesn't care ... is your fault |
| 14:05.47 | PerfDave | Well, if people like running proprietary video drivers with remote root vulnerabilities going undiscovered for many years, that's up to them ;) |
| 14:05.59 | arafangion | abrotman: Imho, NVidia's the best of the worst. |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | arafangion: that's a sad statement .. |
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| 14:06.14 | jelly-home | sad but true |
| 14:06.16 | rgr | arafangion: not in my experience. A lot of the "free" stuff is ntio stable. The proprietary nvidia are MUCH better. And you get to play real games. |
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| 14:06.33 | arafangion | abrotman: It is indeed, and I'm also currently thinking the same with the laptop market. It's a lemon market. :( |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | plays real games! |
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| 14:06.46 | arafangion | abrotman: Nethack? |
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| 14:06.58 | abrotman | arafangion: i'm pretty pleased with my new laptop |
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| 14:07.03 | abrotman | arafangion: no, GL games |
| 14:07.06 | arafangion | Which laptop is it? |
| 14:07.07 | alreadygone_ | hi, how do I install flash support for iceweasel? |
| 14:07.12 | PerfDave | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552319 got filed ages ago and ignored. |
| 14:07.17 | abrotman | !tell alreadygone_ about adobe flash |
| 14:07.19 | abrotman | !tell alreadygone_ about bpo |
| 14:07.29 | arafangion | only plays nethack - that and civilisation on his ipod touch. |
| 14:07.57 | abrotman | PerfDave: did they backport the intel from squeeze to lenny? |
| 14:08.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: I don't think that'd work... needs newer x-x-core |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | PerfDave: i like how they did mark it closed |
| 14:08.58 | abrotman | PerfDave: did you ask #xorg if there might be a work around? Brice didn't include a reason how/why it got fixed |
| 14:09.36 | abrotman | (though i suppose you could append the bug and ask him directly) |
| 14:09.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: It's not marked as closed, it just got moved from xserver-xorg-video-intel to libdrm2 |
| 14:10.03 | arafangion | abrotman: I'm actually looking for a new laptop as well - leaning towards the macs at the moment, but that's mostly because of my ipod and that I want to do Obj-C dev. (ANYTHING is more pleasant than windows) |
| 14:10.09 | abrotman | ah |
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| 14:10.19 | abrotman | arafangion: my thinkpad is pretty nice |
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| 14:10.47 | abrotman | though i guess you have to be willing to pay for a thinkpad (or a mac for that matter) |
| 14:11.07 | arafangion | abrotman: Thinkpads rarely disappoint - overpriced, perhaps, but usually decent. |
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| 14:11.49 | Honeyman | Hello. Anybody succeeded (or at least experienced) to play Monkey Audio (.ape) files with Amarok 2? I noticed that Phonon can use gstreamer (rather than xine), and gstreamer-ffmpeg has support for ape, but still no luck... |
| 14:12.02 | PerfDave | I'm finding non-Thinkpad Lenovos to be better value than Thinkpad Lenovos |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | PerfDave: probably depends on the model/family |
| 14:12.47 | arafangion | abrotman: Even the thinkpad line has lemons in it though. It all comes down to luck. |
| 14:12.48 | abrotman | PerfDave: i'd probably be more likely to get an Ideapad than a lowend thinkpad |
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| 14:13.42 | arafangion | The one computer I refuse to get is the iPad. |
| 14:13.57 | PerfDave | arafangion: That's not a computer. |
| 14:14.02 | arafangion | No self-respecting man should get one. |
| 14:14.05 | arafangion | PerfDave: How so? |
| 14:14.12 | PerfDave | Well, it's not a general-purpose computing device. |
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| 14:14.15 | obcecado | its a piece of junk |
| 14:14.41 | arafangion | PerfDave: That's debatable. |
| 14:14.52 | PerfDave | arafangion: It's not. I can't run what I want on it. |
| 14:15.12 | PerfDave | I can't compile or download an application for the iPad platform and run it on my iPad. |
| 14:15.17 | arafangion | PerfDave: You can't run what you want on your windows office system, either - is that, therefore, not a computer? |
| 14:15.25 | arafangion | PerfDave: Yes, you can. |
| 14:15.32 | arafangion | PerfDave: Or rather, I'm sure you can. |
| 14:15.45 | arafangion | PerfDave: Costs money, though... Apple... |
| 14:16.04 | PerfDave | arafangion: No, I can download applications which Apple have pre-approved through the App Store. |
| 14:16.15 | cantido | PerfDave: if you spend the $50 for a developer key you can.. |
| 14:16.16 | qwd | PerfDave: he's talking about getting a developer version of it |
| 14:16.35 | qwd | that's $50 every year |
| 14:16.53 | PerfDave | OK, the iPad as sold is not a general-purpose computing device. |
| 14:16.55 | cantido | It's just anyother ARM platform anyhow.. not seeing the "whoop" factor |
| 14:17.30 | abrotman | cantido: It has no current method of installing another OS AFAICT |
| 14:17.44 | arafangion | cantido: The 'whoop' factor for an ipod for me, was that (1) It's very popular now, and actually remarkably good, but mostly, it's because of (2): It has a dictionary for my preferred language. |
| 14:17.48 | abrotman | so while it might have been a fun linux device, you're now stuck with whateverthedarnthingruns |
| 14:18.01 | cantido | abrotman: yes, but its not exactly an exciting piece of hardware development.. anything interesting will be software |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | eh? it runs the same OS as the iphone AFAICT |
| 14:18.22 | arafangion | I can't see myself using the same device 4 years later, though, so it's not a long-lived thing. :( |
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| 14:18.34 | arafangion | Frigging thing doesn't even let you change the battery. |
| 14:18.43 | cantido | arafangion: iphones dont last that long.. so I wouldnt worry about that ;) |
| 14:18.54 | abrotman | cantido: if i wanted an ARM device, i'd buy one that i can play with .. like the SheevaPlug .. that thing isn't useful to me in any way |
| 14:18.58 | arafangion | cantido: Mine's an iPod, more of a PDA, arguably, not an iPhone. |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | thing = ipad |
| 14:19.08 | cantido | SheevaPlug is MIPS isnt it? |
| 14:19.09 | arafangion | cantido: What annoys me is that there's no reason why phones _shouldn't_ last that long. |
| 14:19.38 | arafangion | abrotman: Did you ever have one of those ARM-based Palm PDA's? |
| 14:19.46 | cantido | arafangion: to be honest I dont think many phones that do last that long |
| 14:19.51 | abrotman | cantido: uhm .. no, ARM |
| 14:19.57 | silidan | well thats why i avoid apple, its like microsoft only worse (more restrictive, more expensive for what you get and so on...) |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | arafangion: the old ones? like circa 2002 or so ? |
| 14:20.07 | craigevil | touchbook is pretty neat, at least it runs darn near anything, linux, android, mer, chrome os, and its a netbook/touchpad all in one |
| 14:20.07 | arafangion | cantido: Yes, because they're crap. |
| 14:20.12 | abrotman | cantido: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug |
| 14:20.22 | cantido | aa, its marvel.. I thought it was a broadcom SoC |
| 14:20.27 | arafangion | abrotman: I think that's when they started using ARM. |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | arafangion: i was still recovering from Uni loans then :) |
| 14:20.46 | arafangion | abrotman: Curious thing, even when they were using ARM, all their code was still m68k. :) |
| 14:21.04 | arafangion | abrotman: Me too. :( It was a gift for my 21st, then. |
| 14:21.36 | arafangion | silidan: Apple, at least, is nicely designed. |
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| 14:22.11 | abrotman | arafangion: they control the OS and the hardware .. every other company that has tried to do this has died |
| 14:22.15 | arafangion | silidan: And their support is very good - or so I hear, despite that the company really doesn't care. |
| 14:22.19 | abrotman | (that I can think of quickly anyway) |
| 14:22.53 | arafangion | abrotman: Palm is still hanging around (barely - big companies take a long time to die), Google's an exception, but apple's still there. |
| 14:22.55 | cantido | abrotman: un, try getting an apple product services |
| 14:23.05 | cantido | abrotman: sorry for arafangion |
| 14:23.10 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 14:23.10 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:23.44 | cantido | arafangion: I have to get a bus to get this machine even looked at.. no collection service or anything.. apple is arse ;) |
| 14:23.47 | Stereo | abrotman: nintendo |
| 14:23.58 | abrotman | Stereo: that's a device, not a computer |
| 14:24.27 | arafangion | cantido: In that area, I'd not get an apple, unless you're after a PDA, then you _may_ like one. |
| 14:24.42 | Stereo | abrotman: cray? |
| 14:24.46 | abrotman | dead |
| 14:24.50 | Stereo | sun? |
| 14:24.53 | abrotman | dead |
| 14:25.02 | Stereo | oracle? |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | SGI? DEC? |
| 14:25.05 | cantido | I'll get a n900 is I get anything.. hand-me-down iphone is ok for now :) |
| 14:25.05 | arafangion | i've come to really like it - at the end of the day, it's nice to have something that just _works_ - but it is annoying that you can't configure it. (Like, at all - no, not even change the background) |
| 14:25.20 | cantido | s/is/if/ |
| 14:25.21 | obcecado | im pretty happy with my n900 |
| 14:25.40 | abrotman | pushes everyone to #debian-offtopic to continue |
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| 14:39.57 | dpkg | <clusty> jelly, cannot. its from a mammoth factory in the USA <ranix> you manufacture mammoths? |
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| 14:44.52 | jelly-home | doesn't remember that |
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| 14:50.29 | mischief | can anyone tell me how to run ssh-agent correctly? |
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| 14:50.56 | PerfDave | mischief: Generally you don't want to run it yourself. |
| 14:51.23 | manuel__ | what is #flood? |
| 14:51.44 | PerfDave | mischief: Ideally it should be launched at the start of a login session, by an X display manager or simialr. |
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| 14:52.24 | surfdue | this is not directly a debian issue, just trying to figure out what could bring about this error http://pastebin.com/d741a7f89 |
| 14:52.35 | surfdue | reads: shtool at '/tmp/pear/temp/mailparse/build/shtool' does not exist or is not executable. |
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| 14:54.02 | cirwin | my latest update broke my xorg, it's gone back to scrolling painfully slowly, and the appearance of fonts has changed slightly - where do I even begin trying to get it back to how it was? |
| 14:54.10 | cirwin | (/me is on testing) |
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| 14:55.06 | mischief | PerfDave, i want to run it on a system i ssh to |
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| 14:55.14 | manuel__ | cire, me too |
| 14:55.28 | mischief | PerfDave, going to run mpi program on remote hosts |
| 14:55.29 | manuel__ | cire, the fglrx driver has been removed from testing |
| 14:55.55 | cirwin | ok, is there a work-around? |
| 14:55.56 | manuel__ | cire, use kernel 32 and radeon insted till they fix it |
| 14:56.03 | cirwin | thank you! |
| 14:56.21 | manuel__ | cipherz, not that i know to get fglrx back sorry i would use it myself if i could |
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| 14:57.30 | manuel__ | cipherz, i hope they fix it soon normaly around 2 weeks |
| 14:57.59 | cirwin | ok |
| 14:58.15 | cirwin | was it removed for a reason, or just accidental? |
| 14:58.15 | PerfDave | mischief: Then probably best to SSH in, then run "ssh-agent screen" - the SSH agent settings will get picked up by all the screen sessions. Or you can put it in your shell's startup scripts for login shells. |
| 14:59.11 | manuel__ | cipherz, i dont know but it is in sid so it should come back otherwise many ppl would be upset |
| 14:59.29 | manuel__ | i am here to ask that actually |
| 14:59.31 | cirwin | cool |
| 14:59.48 | abchirk | Hey, I am trying to install debian with debootstrap, I tried different mirros and I only get this error: debootstrap lenny ./debian http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ ; I: Retrieving Release; E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
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| 15:00.18 | manuel__ | does anybody know why fglrx is removed from testing? |
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| 15:00.43 | abchirk | Does anyone know what do to? |
| 15:01.36 | abrotman | abchirk: which other mirrors? |
| 15:01.48 | abrotman | manuel__: presumably because it didn't build .. i'm sure it will return |
| 15:01.48 | abchirk | with .us.debian.org etc. |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | abchirk: ftp.de.debian.org ? some other non-debian.org (third party) ? |
| 15:02.13 | manuel__ | i know but when ? only 2d sucks |
| 15:02.50 | manuel__ | another question |
| 15:03.02 | manuel__ | i go into internet with mobile stick |
| 15:03.11 | abchirk | abrotman, always the same error |
| 15:03.17 | manuel__ | and i cant download some packages from the debian servers |
| 15:03.33 | manuel__ | they start and at x% they stop to download |
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| 15:04.01 | manuel__ | if i go into the interntcaf i can dowload the packages from the same mirror without problems |
| 15:04.13 | manuel__ | why is that and can i fix it? |
| 15:04.34 | surfdue | no one firmiliar with this phpize error? |
| 15:06.41 | manuel__ | no sorry |
| 15:07.26 | manuel__ | how can i check if spamassassin is filtering my mailes? |
| 15:07.55 | jelly-home | manuel__: check your mail logs. |
| 15:08.07 | jelly-home | manuel__: also, typically it's configured to add a header |
| 15:08.28 | abchirk | abrotman, also when I use links2 on the same server I can reach the mirror sites.. so what is with the release file? |
| 15:09.29 | manuel__ | where are the mail logs ? |
| 15:09.56 | manuel__ | i configured it with postfix but thunderbird dont seem to get any marked messages |
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| 15:11.00 | manuel__ | ok found it |
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| 15:12.15 | manuel__ | or do i have to configure thunderbord to use postfix to get the mials or something? |
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| 15:13.09 | do0ob | hi |
| 15:13.58 | do0ob | how do i get kde 4.3.0? |
| 15:14.25 | do0ob | err |
| 15:14.55 | do0ob | nevermind |
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| 15:23.04 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:23.04 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
| 15:24.09 | jelly-home | and that, gentlemen, is why greycat is still unable to see UTF-8 characters on irc |
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| 15:24.32 | cirwin | jelly-home: just because he can't rhyme properly? :p |
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| 15:25.29 | jelly-home | cirwin: hm? The rhyme seems half-decent; meter's a bit off |
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| 15:27.28 | w0lt1 | Can anyone offer up any advise or reason why after loading Debian onto a G4 Mac-Mini, the screen just goes blank (black)? During the install process, everything seemed to go perfectly. |
| 15:29.57 | liable | w0lt1: can't switch vt's ? |
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| 15:30.28 | w0lt1 | liable: What do you mean by vt's? |
| 15:30.36 | liable | w0lt1: does it boot the kernel? |
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| 15:31.14 | jelly-home | does it answer to pingses? |
| 15:31.32 | liable | jelly-home: eh? |
| 15:31.50 | w0lt1 | It goes through a boot process showing all the events (quite a few) with the TUX icon at the top of the screen. So I guess it is going that far. |
| 15:32.04 | jelly-home | liable: what does it have in its pocketses? |
| 15:32.15 | liable | w0lt1: right, so hit alt+F1 |
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| 15:32.22 | liable | do you get a login? |
| 15:32.32 | w0lt1 | Mac mini..no alt |
| 15:32.37 | w0lt1 | option? |
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| 15:32.47 | liable | no idea |
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| 15:33.08 | w0lt1 | Never see the login..screen goes black by then. |
| 15:33.13 | liable | the ke opposite alt |
| 15:33.21 | liable | erm, ctrl |
| 15:33.38 | w0lt1 | Haven't tried it yet...what does it do? |
| 15:33.40 | _tst | question: what happened to loop-aes-modules-2.6-686 package on `testing'? I can't mount my encrypted partitions currently... what are the new packages i need to install for encrypted partition support? |
| 15:33.42 | markizano | grr... i forget what the links are to add the contrib and non-free sources to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:33.54 | liable | w0lt1: sounds like its x thats broken, but you might have a working system still |
| 15:33.57 | daffidity | !testing security > cirwin |
| 15:34.14 | cirwin | daffidity: that no worky |
| 15:34.26 | daffidity | cirwin: failed |
| 15:34.31 | w0lt1 | I get somewhat of the same impression.. |
| 15:34.39 | daffidity | !testing security |
| 15:34.40 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
| 15:34.42 | daffidity | aha |
| 15:34.46 | w0lt1 | It couldn't have gotten as far as it did and be that bad. |
| 15:35.04 | w0lt1 | I'm missing something simple..I hope.. :-) |
| 15:35.16 | daffidity | cirwin : see i am NOT going mad (on account of already being beyond that point) |
| 15:35.16 | liable | w0lt1: so you need to find out to get to vt1 on a mac mini. whatever key code it is.. |
| 15:35.32 | w0lt1 | vt1? |
| 15:35.38 | liable | yes |
| 15:35.45 | w0lt1 | What is that? |
| 15:36.05 | liable | debian by default has 7 vt's.. 1-6 are text logins, 7 is for x |
| 15:36.34 | liable | vt = virtual terminal |
| 15:37.35 | w0lt1 | Virtual Terminal..got it... Problem is, if I can't see whats going on how can I get to it? Is that the CTRL-F1 sequence? |
| 15:38.16 | nvz | w0lt1: ctrl+alt+f1 takes you to tty1 or chvt 1 |
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| 15:38.28 | liable | yes, looks like your x is broken, but not to the point it throws you back to the main vt, so you need to find out how to switch to vt1 manually |
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| 15:38.54 | w0lt1 | Copy !! I'll research that one.. Thanks Liable !! |
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| 15:39.26 | tabashco | w0lt1: are you using an apple keyboard? |
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| 15:39.33 | w0lt1 | Yes.. |
| 15:40.05 | tabashco | you might need to throw in the Fn key as well, so ctrl+alt+fn+f1 |
| 15:40.33 | w0lt1 | I'll give it a whirl this afternoon. |
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| 15:49.29 | kj4 | anyhone have a recommendation, as to running Lenny vs. Squeeze on my main desktop? |
| 15:49.44 | tabashco | is there a way to force amd to unmount volumes, even if a user is sitting in that directory? or is it better to kill off the users before issuing a reboot? |
| 15:49.55 | nvz | kj4: yes, run lenny |
| 15:50.12 | kj4 | nvz: i've been leaning toward that, thanks. your reason? |
| 15:50.24 | nvz | kj4: because you had to ask.. :-P |
| 15:50.42 | rgr | kj4: try lenny with bakcports. Many will say "use lenny" but thats rats some times since Squeeze has so many improvments and bug fixes for newer hw etc. But expect the off hiccup wiht squeeze as things stabilise. |
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| 15:51.41 | nvz | kj4: the only advantage to you with squeeze is slightly newer software, which is obtainable through other methods. The only advantage to the rest of us is you testing it and reporting bugs, but if you have to ask those kinds of questions you probably can't help |
| 15:52.04 | kj4 | rgr: thanks |
| 15:52.20 | kj4 | nvz: understood, thanks |
| 15:53.07 | nvz | kj4: the ultimate deal breaker is that you can always upgrade to squeeze later, you can't however downgrade to lenny. |
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| 15:54.56 | _tst | question: what happened to loop-aes-modules-2.6-686 package on `testing'? I can't mount my encrypted partitions currently... what are the new packages i need to install for encrypted partition support? If noone knows, any ideas where to ask then? Google didn't turn up useful answers yet. |
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| 15:59.28 | rgr | finally. new IDE booting. Yee ha. So a bug in grub-install when installing from another drive to an exernal despite pointing it to the correct grub cfg - some how the UUID of the old drive gets wired into the grub boot. The solution was to finally buckle down, build a sysrescue usb sticl and then grub install having booted from that. |
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| 16:00.38 | xand | tabashco: try umount -l |
| 16:00.49 | xand | tabashco: er wait, what is amd? |
| 16:01.05 | xand | and rebooting... ew |
| 16:01.16 | tabashco | xand: automount daemon |
| 16:01.32 | PerfDave | kj4: Also - Lenny gets security support. Squeeze doesn't. |
| 16:01.43 | nvz | uh.. |
| 16:02.00 | kj4 | PerfDave: Lenny it is, then |
| 16:02.08 | nvz | PerfDave: you're 11 minutes late and wrong? |
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| 16:03.50 | nvz | PerfDave: I'd think you'd know what you said is wrong given that you've been here for a long time, and long enough today to have seen the !testing security, about 20min ago.. which makes me wonder why you said it anyhow.. heh |
| 16:04.09 | PerfDave | nvz: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ # "Please note that security updates for testing distribution are not yet managed by the security team. Hence, testing does not get security updates in a timely manner." |
| 16:05.02 | daffidity | PerfDave: Squeeze does though |
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| 16:05.15 | PerfDave | daffidity: Squeeze *is* testing. |
| 16:05.36 | PerfDave | http://www.debian.org/releases/ # "The current testing distribution is squeeze." |
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| 16:06.03 | leleobhz | wiki.debian.org is out? |
| 16:06.27 | craigevil | leleobhz: loads just fine here |
| 16:06.44 | leleobhz | i have 2 providers, from none ov them i can load |
| 16:07.15 | kabniel | leleobhz: doesnt load for me either |
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| 16:07.22 | leleobhz | :[ |
| 16:07.27 | cirwin | nor here |
| 16:07.37 | daffidity | cirwin; IP6 again/ |
| 16:07.49 | craigevil | leleobhz: whoops spoke too soon, it was fine a few minutes ago |
| 16:07.58 | cirwin | daffidity: no |
| 16:08.11 | leleobhz | rest to wait |
| 16:08.16 | daffidity | cirwin; funny i can't load it either |
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| 16:09.00 | leleobhz | time to pray with google cache |
| 16:09.06 | cirwin | there is more than one reason for things to break daffidity :p |
| 16:09.19 | daffidity | cirwin; yours is usually ip6 :-p |
| 16:10.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any images of the non-free repo on one or more DVDs available for offline use? Or would I have to manually download all the packages found there and create a DVD myself with aptoncd etc if I really needed them? |
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| 16:16.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any commands or ways to see the total size of this online folder "ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/"? I need to know for download reasons. |
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| 16:21.53 | dutchfish | LinuxGuy2009, http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 16:23.16 | dutchfish | LinuxGuy2009, and http://ftp-master.debian.org/size-quarter.png |
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| 16:24.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | dutchfish: Thanks so much! |
| 16:24.24 | dutchfish | yw |
| 16:24.29 | sikor_sxe | hello, i'd like to create a new dsc file. however the package is yet debianized. i got it with apt-get source, all i need is to apply a patch to the sources and give it a new version. is there an easy way to do that? |
| 16:24.58 | jhutchins_lt | Gee, I thought we had a standard way to start & stop daemons, but it seems mysql is not included. How do I shut it down on Debian? |
| 16:25.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone know where in FileZilla I can tell it to only transfer *.i386 files from "ftp.us.debian.org"? I cant seem to find the setting if it has one. |
| 16:26.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/ I meant. |
| 16:26.09 | dutchfish | sikor_sxe, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html |
| 16:26.14 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: You could do that with wget, no idea about FileZilla. |
| 16:26.48 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
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| 16:27.07 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: That does seem to be official, but it won't stop. |
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| 16:27.44 | jhutchins_lt | I tried kill -9 but it respawned. Seems to finally be done. |
| 16:27.44 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, then its not installed properly, what Debian version? what version of mysql? |
| 16:27.51 | GregUK | Hi all. I'm after some advice on deciding between Debian and Ubuntu for a server. Why would I choose Debian over Ubuntu? (I'm asking the same in #ubuntu) |
| 16:27.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Yeah thats true I could use wget. Ive never really used it before but nows a good time as any. Ill check out the man page and give er' a go. Thank you! |
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| 16:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Stable, installed by Debian Installer. |
| 16:28.10 | sikor_sxe | dutchfish: i wrote the patch myself |
| 16:28.32 | dutchfish | sikor_sxe, it is still the same rules to upudate it |
| 16:28.42 | dutchfish | s/upudate/update |
| 16:28.51 | PerfDave | GregUK: I use Debian over Ubuntu because I find it more stable and better supported. YMMV :) |
| 16:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, this is nice and non-standard: error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: Y ES)' |
| 16:29.27 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, maybe its hasnt a password yet |
| 16:29.58 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: whats non standard about it? |
| 16:30.00 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt, dutchfish: the installer creates that account which only has privileges to do things like shut down the server |
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| 16:30.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | GregUK: I too dropped Ubuntu for Debian cause of the bullet proof reliability in day to day use. ;) |
| 16:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: I don't think other MySQL distributions use "debian-sys-maint" as a user. |
| 16:30.26 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt, dutchfish: it's not actually any modification to the code or such. it just allows you to have a mysql root password that the init scripts don't have to know |
| 16:30.36 | Hydroxide | quite a nice solution. |
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| 16:31.05 | dutchfish | Hydroxide, ok, i forgot this one, you are right |
| 16:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | That's probably why it won't shut down either. |
| 16:31.24 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, no |
| 16:31.45 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, root can shut it down |
| 16:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | Trying to find the default permissions for that user. |
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| 16:32.47 | EagleScreen | hi |
| 16:33.05 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: looks like you can just do dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 |
| 16:33.21 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: the code to create it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst |
| 16:33.47 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Do you suppose that would affect any other settings? |
| 16:33.55 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: no, I would strongly expect not |
| 16:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | Probably oughta back up the mysql database first... |
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| 16:34.35 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: if it makes you feel better, but debian is good about not messing up in such ways |
| 16:34.45 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: certainly that code runs every time you apply a mysql security update |
| 16:35.14 | GregUK | PerfDave, LinuxGuy2009: Thanks. So are you saying that even the LTS released of Ubuntu aren't all that stable? |
| 16:35.19 | jhutchins_lt | So should be safe, and Debian has behaved pretty well on config updates so far. |
| 16:36.05 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: yep. |
| 16:36.08 | PerfDave | GregUK: Depends how you mean "stable". In terms of "unchanging", then yes, Ubuntu LTS releases are stable, and that's the same meaning as Debian stable. That has nothing to do with stable as in "bug free" however, and I find Debian to be more bug-free than Ubuntu. |
| 16:37.02 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Hm, dpkg-reconfigure failed because MySQL is already stopped... |
| 16:37.10 | Hydroxide | PerfDave, GregUK: I think their definition of unchanging is a bit looser than debian's; e.g. they're a bit quicker to integrate new features/bugfixes/upstream versions in an update to stable, though that's still much less common |
| 16:38.08 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: really? my version seems to disable the fail-on-error if it can't stop mysql |
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| 16:40.09 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: you're doing dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0, right? can you paste your /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst and the error/output you get into http://paste.debian.net/ or similar? |
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| 16:40.50 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Well.... How about if I just parse the file myself and figure out what it's trying to do. Yes, that was the command I used. |
| 16:41.06 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: feel free :) not everyone who comes here is familiar with shell scripting. |
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| 16:41.20 | sikor_sxe | dutchfish: where does debuild read it's version info from? |
| 16:41.22 | GregUK | PerfDave, Hydroxide: By stable, I mean "things continuing to work and not being broken by updates". Would it be fair to say that Debian is more lightweight than Ubuntu? Even a minimal installation of Ubuntu seems pretty huge in comparison. |
| 16:41.46 | Hydroxide | GregUK: if you're comparing minimal inistalls, then I think that's easy to say |
| 16:41.57 | Hydroxide | GregUK: (and in many other comparisons, too) |
| 16:42.11 | PerfDave | GregUK: If what Hydroxide says is correct about introducing new upstream versions into stable, then I'd say that Debian's better at not creating new breakages through updates of a stable system. |
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| 16:42.42 | Hydroxide | PerfDave: they still try to avoid it when that can IIRC -- I'm not involved in ubuntu myself -- but I do believe debian is stricter about it |
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| 16:43.18 | PerfDave | GregUK: I'm not sure how the Ubuntu installer works these days, but one difference between the two might be that Debian in the past hasn't installed "recommended" nonessential packages by default, and perhaps Ubuntu has. The default in Debian has either changed with Lenny, or will with Squeeze, which will make a difference to a default installation size if that option isn't turned off. |
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| 16:43.53 | Hydroxide | PerfDave: I'm not sure that's true in the installer itself, actually |
| 16:44.03 | Hydroxide | PerfDave: I think it uses --without-recommends |
| 16:44.34 | Hydroxide | PerfDave: ah, you're right, my mistake. changing in squeeze, but with a documented way for experts to disable that |
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| 16:46.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does the non-free repo go through the same quality testing that the rest of the repos go through? I mean in terms of stability etc? |
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| 16:46.51 | Hydroxide | LinuxGuy2009: the same quality assurance infrastructure is available, but inherently less work can be done on it |
| 16:46.57 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: I don't think that bugs in non-free can be considered release-critical in Debian, but I might be wrong about that. Of course, since it's not free software, Debian may be unable to *fix* bugs in it... |
| 16:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | AGH! Of course, I can't do "GRANT..." if MySQL isn't running. |
| 16:47.55 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: yeah. you might need to start that first |
| 16:48.04 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: I thought the script would handle that case though |
| 16:48.17 | Hydroxide | but maybe not if this particular breakage exists |
| 16:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | Of course, it won't start with the standard init script. |
| 16:48.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hmm interesting yeah I can see the reasoning behind it if its not a priority. |
| 16:48.39 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: right, well it does have a MYSQL_BOOTSTRAP command line in the script |
| 16:49.22 | Hydroxide | PerfDave, LinuxGuy2009: according to http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/non-free.html there are 7 release-critical bugs in the next release concerning non-free -- but yes, I imagine if those end up being the blocker for a release the relevant packages will simply be removed from testing |
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| 16:49.54 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: and it looked to me like it would use that invocation of mysql to do it |
| 16:50.06 | nsadmin | what about main rcs? |
| 16:50.10 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: but I may have missed something or one of our copies may be of a buggy version |
| 16:50.25 | Hydroxide | nsadmin: that's the same in theory, but the urge to fix the bug is much higher unless there's another removal reason :) |
| 16:50.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hydroxide: Oh ok so from the sound of it... they DO go through the same testing and stuff as the rest of the repos. Am I right to assume that from that statement? |
| 16:51.13 | jhutchins_lt | String 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' is too long for user name (should be no longer than 16) |
| 16:51.15 | nsadmin | would the url showing how many be http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html? |
| 16:51.38 | Hydroxide | LinuxGuy2009: they probably get less attention, since less can be done. but certainly the same bug tracking system is used, they also get autobuilt (with whatever sources we have), they still have the same testing migration rules |
| 16:51.42 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: no apostrophes |
| 16:51.48 | nsadmin | wow 1800\ |
| 16:51.57 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_lt: @localhost isn't part of the username |
| 16:52.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hydroxide: Ok cool thank you very much. |
| 16:52.14 | Hydroxide | LinuxGuy2009: np |
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| 16:52.57 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: How is the password supposed to be enclosed? ()? ''? |
| 16:53.19 | jhutchins_lt | '' |
| 16:53.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just was wondering cause I am downloading that repo with FileZilla (wget has lots of options and I dont have time right now to fish out the ones I need) so I can have the entire repo set on DVDs for offline use. Especially for the bcm-sta drivers for my netbook. |
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| 16:54.16 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Perhaps you should write to your netbook manufacturer and suggest they use hardware which has proper free software support in future ;) |
| 16:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Ok, obviously something respawned it because I was able to get in and do that, but once again it won't shut down. |
| 16:54.35 | GregUK | Thanks for your advice, guys. |
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| 16:55.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: hehe yep i agree. Its a Dell Mini 10v and they ship with Ubuntu. And I cant stand the unreliability of Ubuntu thats why I came back here. hehe |
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| 16:55.45 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Ok, able to shut it down with mysqladmin, let's see if it stays down. |
| 16:55.56 | EagleScreen | LinuxGuy2009: why download all the repository to a local disk? |
| 16:56.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | EagleScreen: Oh its so convenient to have for offline computers. |
| 16:57.20 | EagleScreen | and I supose you cannot use DVD's |
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| 16:57.35 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Seriously, drop them a line - it can't hurt :) |
| 16:58.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | After I made the DVD set, I copy them to ISO in the home folder and setup /etc/rc.local script to automount them at bootup and everything I install comes right off the hard drive. Its very fast and convenient for me. |
| 16:58.26 | tdn | I have just bought a PCMCIA CompactFlash card reader for my Thinkpad T61p. Appearently, it can only read with ~1mb/s from a 30mb/s Sandisk Extreme III card. Is the card reader useless or do I need to tune something in the software? I have tried hdparm -I on the device. It says it uses PIO mode. And DMA is not supported. |
| 16:58.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | EagleScreen: What do you mean by I cant use DVDs? Not sure what you mean. |
| 16:59.23 | EagleScreen | you should download all DVD images and use them to install packages |
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| 16:59.44 | EagleScreen | better than download the pure Debian Archive with wget |
| 16:59.51 | cantido | tdn: if its really pcmcia it will be slow |
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| 17:00.29 | tdn | cantido, PCMCIA/PC-card/whatever they call it these days. I just bought it today. |
| 17:00.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | EagleScreen: Oh i did. I have all 5 DVDs that contain the main and contrib repos. But not the non-free one. So I am manually downloading it with FileZilla and using APTonCD to make the 6th DVD so i have the whole entire repo for Lenny. ;) |
| 17:00.36 | PerfDave | EagleScreen: LinuxGuy2009 is downloading the non-free repository, which doesn't have pregenerated DVD images. |
| 17:00.38 | tdn | cantido, I was hoping it was a bit faster than this. |
| 17:00.56 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: You already have the entire repo for Lenny; non-free isn't officially a part of Debian. |
| 17:00.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | Exactly |
| 17:01.05 | EagleScreen | oh |
| 17:01.19 | tdn | cantido, iirc you could have PCMCIA SCSI controllers back in 1999. And they were much faster than 1mb/s. |
| 17:01.29 | EagleScreen | then you can do it with wget -r -K -np www.blablablabla.org |
| 17:02.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Its kinda funny cause they keep it in the same place as the rest of the repos. Seems like there just afraid to admit they have it. The whole only free software motto and all. hehe |
| 17:03.01 | cantido | tdn: ATA devices plugged into PCMCIA are some sort of bit banged fudge.. I think |
| 17:03.10 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: It's very clear - non-free is not part of Debian. It's developed using the Debian infrastructure, but it's effectively a third-party repo. |
| 17:03.10 | cantido | tdn: hence not DMA |
| 17:03.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Yeah i know what you mean its for legality reasons. |
| 17:04.08 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: No, there's nothing illegal about redistributing non-free, otherwise Debian wouldn't do it. |
| 17:04.31 | PerfDave | The packages in non-free can be redistributed, but are not free software. |
| 17:04.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: I thought that was the whole reason it was kept seperate? |
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| 17:05.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | What am I missing here? |
| 17:05.28 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: No, the reason non-free is seperate is that it contains software which is not free. If it were not legal for Debian to redistribute it, then Debian would not :) |
| 17:05.30 | tdn | cantido, so, there is no way I can make this go faster, and I should just return the card reader? |
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| 17:05.37 | _abc_ | hello |
| 17:05.39 | Tired | nothing what he didn't already say |
| 17:05.59 | _abc_ | what do you people hear when using linphone or another sip agent and there are dropouts in the network ? |
| 17:06.12 | _abc_ | i have a problem with huge banging noises |
| 17:06.15 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: The firmware for an Intel wireless card is redistributable, but is not free software; Quake 4 is not redistributable, nor is it free software; all free software is redistributable. |
| 17:06.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Oh yeah duh. hehe Doesnt have open source code you mean right? |
| 17:06.50 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: No, I mean free software - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 17:07.10 | PerfDave | Well, actually I mean http://www.debian.org/intro/free |
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| 17:07.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: You completely lost me here. |
| 17:09.00 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Free software is software that you have the freedom to run for any purpose, study, modify and share your modifications. Everything in the Debian distribution is free software. Debian also hosts a repository called "non-free" which contains software that can be redistributed, but is not free software. It is not considered part of the Debian distribution. |
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| 17:09.28 | PerfDave | (this is the theory, the practice is occasionally more complicated) |
| 17:10.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Right so like I said non-free is the section for software that doesnt have its source code posted for modification right? |
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| 17:10.52 | greedo | i accidentally unset DISPLAY and now X server won't start, how can i reset it |
| 17:11.02 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Not necessarily. Something could be in non-free because you're allowed to modify it, but not to freely share your modifications. |
| 17:11.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Wow so thats like strange no mans land of the Debian repos I guess. |
| 17:11.54 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: I ended up using phpmyadmin to set the password to the string from debian.cnf, and now shutdown and startup work without errors. |
| 17:12.13 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: non-free is a repository hosted by the Debian project, but not considered part of the Debian distribution. |
| 17:12.21 | jhutchins_lt | Hydroxide: Although the init script throws errors, it does start the DB. |
| 17:12.24 | PerfDave | It's like a protectorate or something, the Guernsey of Debian's UK :) |
| 17:12.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Gotcha |
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| 17:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | greedo: export DISPLAY= :0? |
| 17:14.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Does Debian maintain it? Like when a bug is reported do they fix it or do third party do that? |
| 17:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | greedo: Actually, you should be able to start *dm anyway, it doesn't use the shell display variable. |
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| 17:16.03 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: The maintainers for packages in non-free may well not have the freedom to fix bugs. |
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| 17:16.57 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Once you've read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html you may find http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html interesting |
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| 17:18.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Ok so whoever makes the packages in non-free, adds them directly in or presents them to be added by whomever. The source may or may not be shared with it. And if the source is there your allowed to modify it for personal use only and no sharing allowed of modified code? |
| 17:20.02 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: Not necessarily. The source might be distributed for interest only, and not modifiable even for personal use. Or it might be modifiable, but only shareable once modified with the permission of the upstream authors. Or whatever; the criterion is that it's not free software. |
| 17:20.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | PerfDave: Wow seems like a strange repo indeed. |
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| 17:22.17 | PerfDave | LinuxGuy2009: It's pretty contraversial - the Free Software Foundation refuse to promote Debian as a free software distribution because they host the non-free repo, even though it's not considered part of the distribution. |
| 17:22.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hmm |
| 17:23.47 | RedTide | and wants to promote an useless ubuntu derived distro (when ubuntu is a debian derived one) |
| 17:23.59 | RedTide | :P |
| 17:24.22 | PerfDave | RedTide: I wouldn't say useless. I've run gNewSense before, and Utotu |
| 17:25.07 | RedTide | what's a pourpose to have an ubuntu without non free apps in it? |
| 17:25.21 | RedTide | maybe was better do that on a debian directly |
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| 17:26.08 | PerfDave | RedTide: That's kind of offtopic for #debian, but gNewSense does benefit from Ubuntu's more frequent release cycle. Unfortunately there's just not the resources to support it properly, which is why I ended up going back to Debian after Etch released. |
| 17:27.03 | RedTide | i don't understand neither why most app releases are ubuntu instead of debian |
| 17:27.12 | RedTide | ok I stop here |
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| 17:30.06 | NoCode | Trying to run google gadgets to get a google calendar widget on my desktop, I get: "Program can't start because it failed to load the following module(s): js-script-runtime". Anyone know of a fix? |
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| 17:35.05 | Lantizia | Hey, can I use something like this... apt-get remove --purge *-moo |
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| 17:35.18 | Lantizia | i.e. remove all packages where the name ends in -moo |
| 17:35.37 | Lantizia | because wildcards don't seem to work and it just says "Regex comilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression" |
| 17:36.27 | PerfDave | Lantizia: You can do it, but not like that... I think :) |
| 17:36.55 | PerfDave | Lantizia: man aptitude, search for Patterns |
| 17:37.40 | Lantizia | perfdave - does it have to be aptitude however? |
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| 17:38.47 | Tired | Lantizia, if it says Regexp error, that's pretty clear, aint it? |
| 17:39.00 | Tired | you're not using a regexp but a glob here |
| 17:39.07 | Tired | ".*-moo" |
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| 17:40.00 | phorce1 | is there a "safe" way to try to pull something from squeeze into lenny if it's not on bpo? If I just try to install the debs without adding squeeze to my sources and get a storm of dependency errors it won't install and won't break anything, right? |
| 17:40.09 | Tired | or man or man 7 regex |
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| 17:40.37 | Tired | backport it yourself? |
| 17:40.40 | jelly-home | phorce1: the storm of errors wil make apt confused |
| 17:40.44 | PerfDave | phorce1: That's a bdad idea |
| 17:40.57 | Lantizia | thanks tired :) I'm no expert in regex, can just about get by in sed with the help of google lol |
| 17:41.17 | PerfDave | phorce1: The binary packages from Squeeze expect to be installed in a Squeeze system, and their dependencies will reflect that. You'll have to backport manually which can be a pain in the arse. |
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| 17:42.00 | phorce1 | guess I'll pull the source from upstream and see if it will build. I HATE having to do that with a lib |
| 17:42.29 | adb | phorce1, ssb it .. |
| 17:42.38 | Tired | phorce1, mm, there's actually a script for it... but I think it goes along _all_ the dependencies |
| 17:42.56 | phorce1 | I tend not to go through the whole backport process. If I can't find it I build it fresh in /usr/local |
| 17:43.10 | jelly-home | phorce1: try going the /msg dpkg ssb first, see if it works for you |
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| 17:43.27 | phorce1 | jelly-home: looking now |
| 17:43.39 | jelly-home | dislikes /usr/local because of extra fragility |
| 17:43.43 | Tired | I think what he's saying is that he needs to backport a lot of libraries which the package depends on, too? |
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| 17:44.44 | jelly-home | I don't know, it would be nicer to know the exact package in question |
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| 17:45.21 | numen | why, will i forwarded allways on reconnect? |
| 17:45.24 | Tired | "debian-builder" |
| 17:45.28 | phorce1 | Tired: it's possible. The deps on this one have deps that have deps. Just trying to scoot through it on the web gives me a headache. |
| 17:45.37 | Tired | phorce1, ^^^ |
| 17:45.57 | phorce1 | jelly-home: sorry --- rtorrent which requires libtorrent11 |
| 17:46.00 | Tired | when I looked at it, I was less than impressed, though.. fore some reason |
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| 17:46.11 | phorce1 | rtorrent 0.8.x |
| 17:46.33 | jelly-home | phorce1: that's pretty easy to backport, just do both libtorrent and build rtorrent after the libtorrent-dev is there |
| 17:46.45 | jelly-home | (there = installed) |
| 17:47.16 | p3rror | hello |
| 17:47.25 | p3rror | where can i find mkfs.ntfs utils |
| 17:47.26 | jelly-home | must have backported it at least once without many issues |
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| 17:47.36 | jelly-home | p3rror: ntfsprogs package |
| 17:47.41 | jelly-home | !tell p3rror -about search |
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| 17:48.06 | jelly-home | !tell p3rror -about apt-file |
| 17:48.17 | phorce1 | jelly-home: I was just worried that the deps for the lib may clash. I dislike the web package interface. |
| 17:48.42 | jelly-home | nah it's pretty self-contained |
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| 17:51.24 | Tired | other than miro |
| 17:51.49 | nsadmin | you can make ntfs now? |
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| 17:53.28 | jelly-home | nsadmin: that's been in there for a while; fsck is the complicated one |
| 17:53.45 | nsadmin | I'll bet it is |
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| 17:54.38 | stuckey | Anyone know how I can batch transcode some music files with lame? |
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| 17:55.16 | nsadmin | but i also bet you could make an fsck for a sufficient subset to take care of the ntfs made with that package |
| 17:56.06 | nsadmin | stuckey like what file name for example |
| 17:57.00 | stuckey | e.g., /music/artist-album/vol1 (there are twelve or so voluems) |
| 17:57.03 | abrotman | stuckey: a bash script .. see #bash |
| 17:58.11 | stuckey | wishes lame worked like oggenc. |
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| 17:58.55 | DogBoy | like how stuckey |
| 17:58.57 | nsadmin | what kind of files are in there now, what's the name of one, what kind of files do you want |
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| 17:59.48 | stuckey | DogBoy: oggenc */*.flac -q 8 <--- gives you .ogg files. |
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| 18:00.04 | stuckey | Then you just need to rm */*.flac to get rid of the old flacs. |
| 18:00.24 | DogBoy | q 8 eh |
| 18:00.26 | stuckey | nsadmin: I've got flac, need mp3 |
| 18:00.27 | garotosopa | Hi. I'm running Squeeze 32bits at work and I'd like to download some packages and all their dependencies but for 64bits so that I could install them at home where I do not have internet at the moment. What's the most easy/appropriate way to get them? |
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| 18:01.14 | nsadmin | so if lame decodes flac, then it's just lame whatever.flac whatever.mp3 |
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| 18:01.26 | DogBoy | it doesn't decode flac though |
| 18:01.39 | nsadmin | ok, so can't use lame then |
| 18:01.44 | stuckey | Damn |
| 18:01.50 | nsadmin | does it decode oggs? |
| 18:01.50 | DogBoy | it's just a bit harder |
| 18:01.51 | stuckey | Is there a better program for encoding mp3? |
| 18:02.03 | stuckey | something that can automate a bit of this? |
| 18:02.31 | nsadmin | stuckey you really need to get into a scripting language |
| 18:02.42 | nsadmin | like bash, perl, python, tcl |
| 18:02.57 | nsadmin | bash is probably harder to read |
| 18:03.06 | stuckey | nsadmin: I haven't got that far yet... but I'll get to it soon enough. |
| 18:03.15 | stuckey | I think the package "soundcoverter" might help me right now. |
| 18:03.25 | nsadmin | it's likely you need it now |
| 18:03.25 | PerfDave | garotosopa: You want specific packages rather than, say, a CD or DVD image? apt-zip may help? |
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| 18:03.30 | jelly-home | !tell stuckey about using find |
| 18:03.48 | nsadmin | oh, find, forgot about that |
| 18:04.04 | xyan | stuckey: ffmpeg can reencode flac to mp3 |
| 18:04.44 | jelly-home | stuckey: also: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#for_i_in_.60ls_.2A.mp3.60 |
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| 18:06.43 | DogBoy | you could do something like this stuckey for i in *.flac; do flac -d "$i"; basename=`basename "$i" .flac`; lame "$basename.wav" "$basename.mp3" && rm "$basename.wav"; done |
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| 18:07.49 | PerfDave | DogBoy: That won't give you batch encoding for normalisation though. |
| 18:08.01 | DogBoy | PerfDave, so? |
| 18:08.40 | nsadmin | what's that for? |
| 18:08.50 | acidslep | My X is doing funny things. The xorg.conf if impossible to work with, as in changes i make hardly reflect on X operation, and i really need to change some settings for startup |
| 18:08.52 | nsadmin | batch encoding for normalization |
| 18:09.08 | stuckey | xyan, jelly-home thanks |
| 18:09.14 | DogBoy | he didn't ask anything about normalizing |
| 18:09.16 | stuckey | I'm going to use soundconverter for now. |
| 18:09.24 | PerfDave | DogBoy: stuckey was asking about batch transcoding, so I assumed he wanted that. |
| 18:09.38 | DogBoy | yes but you assumed wrongly |
| 18:09.38 | nsadmin | oic |
| 18:09.58 | stuckey | I'll get to scripting language soon enough, I'm learning Java right now. |
| 18:09.59 | DogBoy | the sample ogg encoder line does no normalization either |
| 18:10.11 | nsadmin | not his fault, that was what he said |
| 18:10.14 | PerfDave | DogBoy: I don't see where stuckey said they weren't interested in batch normalisation. |
| 18:10.25 | DogBoy | did you see where he did? |
| 18:10.38 | nsadmin | his original question? |
| 18:10.41 | stuckey | normalisation? |
| 18:11.02 | nsadmin | what is normalization anyway |
| 18:11.12 | DogBoy | .:stuckey:. Anyone know how I can batch transcode some music files with lame? |
| 18:11.22 | DogBoy | heh |
| 18:11.28 | PerfDave | DogBoy: I don't get why you're being so aggressive about this. |
| 18:11.29 | DogBoy | scratches head |
| 18:11.43 | acidslep | Im pretty sure it makes overall changes to the volume level of a sound file |
| 18:11.58 | PerfDave | nsadmin: transcoding often does funny things to volume levels; normalisation maintains a consistent average volume over a series of files. |
| 18:12.08 | DogBoy | gah |
| 18:12.32 | DogBoy | PerfDave, it was a non sequitur |
| 18:12.34 | garotosopa | PerfDave: I got the first and second CD's but they don't have the packages I need and I have only one more CD. (A bizarre scenario, I know!) I'll check apt-zip, thanks. |
| 18:12.42 | DogBoy | nothing aggressive about pointing it out |
| 18:13.35 | nsadmin | well... now that we know what it is... stuckey: do you want normalization? |
| 18:13.55 | PerfDave | DogBoy: "yes but you assumed wrongly" came across as being aggressive. I'm happy to accept that that wasn't your intent :) |
| 18:14.34 | nsadmin | questions about how you absolutely knew he was wrong left to the reader |
| 18:14.35 | DogBoy | eh? |
| 18:15.01 | DogBoy | transcoding =! normalization |
| 18:15.12 | DogBoy | it's not a big brainteaser |
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| 18:15.42 | nsadmin | so normalization is independent |
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| 18:15.48 | nsadmin | would that be fair? |
| 18:15.56 | DogBoy | completely |
| 18:17.12 | nsadmin | then whether he knew about normalization in the first place is unknown, and if he did not he still hasn't answered as to whether he wants it |
| 18:17.49 | _abc_ | is bash 4 the default shell on lenny and higher? |
| 18:17.52 | nsadmin | so there's a good .75 probability (if the branches are equal prob) we don't know :) |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | _abc_: lenny doesn't have bash4 availble |
| 18:18.25 | DogBoy | he hasn't answered concerning his preference for american vs european cars either |
| 18:18.26 | _abc_ | thanks |
| 18:18.40 | _abc_ | has someone upgraded bash to bash 4 on a debian box? horror stories? |
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| 18:19.01 | ademilsonfp | why use debian? |
| 18:19.11 | nsadmin | so to say someone's actually -wrong- if they say he prefers euro cars is overstepping :) |
| 18:19.16 | PerfDave | !tell ademilsonfp about -why debian |
| 18:19.23 | PerfDave | Bah |
| 18:19.26 | ademilsonfp | !tell ademilsonfp about -why debian |
| 18:19.29 | ademilsonfp | ahaha |
| 18:19.33 | PerfDave | !tell ademilsonfp -about why debian |
| 18:19.36 | nsadmin | ademilsonfp: because you want to? |
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| 18:20.17 | nsadmin | DogBoy: I just now made a similar assumption about ademilsonfp... dunno if I'm wrong yet :) |
| 18:20.18 | ademilsonfp | thanks i will continue to use archlinux :) |
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| 18:20.35 | stuckey | I'm using debian-multimedia for a certain package - how can I make aptitude such that it won't upgrade like, mplayer, or other packages from dmm, only the one package? |
| 18:20.57 | nsadmin | hold it or pin it I guess |
| 18:22.13 | DogBoy | stuckey, that's explained on the debian-multimedia web site |
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| 18:22.39 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I have been suspending me computer at night, I found the sound was messed up when it came back and the only way to fix it was to force a reload of alsa. So I have taken to suspending my computer with the command [sudo sh -c 'pm-suspend && alsa force-reload']. This works great except that every few weeks the force-reload freezes. I can stop it with ctrl+c however sound does not work. If I try and do a alsa force-reload after th |
| 18:22.45 | Gokee2 | at it just sits there. I also can not go back into suspend. It gets to "Freezing User Space Processes" and hangs a while then it comes back up without ever making it to suspend. The only way I have found to restore sound and be able to suspend again is to restart. Any idea's on how to get out of this state without a restart? |
| 18:22.52 | Gokee2 | s/me/my/ |
| 18:23.22 | DogBoy | explained here anyway stuckey http://rarewares.org/debian-info-apt.php |
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| 18:24.34 | DogBoy | PerfDave, sorry it's just concision, I tend to do that, I didn't mean to sound insulting |
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| 18:25.43 | nsadmin | Travis, you're a year too late... |
| 18:25.44 | PerfDave | DogBoy: No worries :) |
| 18:25.44 | stuckey | DogBoy: don't see it |
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| 18:26.16 | stuckey | DogBoy: thanks see it |
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| 18:26.40 | wathek | hello all |
| 18:26.52 | PerfDave | My party membership number is 7566514, and the name on my membership card |
| 18:26.57 | PerfDave | Ah, balls |
| 18:27.13 | wathek | I'm looking for an opensource backup solution which one do you recommand me ? |
| 18:27.15 | PerfDave | Quite literally - dropped a piercing ball on my touchpad and it middle-clicked :/ |
| 18:27.43 | acidslep | wathek cp |
| 18:27.49 | wathek | a network one |
| 18:27.53 | acidslep | wathek scp |
| 18:27.53 | wathek | that uses storage disks |
| 18:27.55 | wathek | :p |
| 18:28.03 | acidslep | mount + scp |
| 18:29.04 | wathek | ok |
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| 18:29.08 | acidslep | wathek checkout flexbackup |
| 18:29.22 | acidslep | it may be what you need |
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| 18:30.24 | PerfDave | has used AMANDA in the past to some success |
| 18:31.37 | stuckey | DogBoy: the link didn't explain what I should do - the link in the link was dead |
| 18:32.06 | nsadmin | !hold |
| 18:32.07 | dpkg | well, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 18:32.29 | DogBoy | stuckey, google on apt-pinning then? |
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| 18:39.21 | fastPutty | helo what would be the best email application for my little website hosted on apache2. just need to able to send email and forward all incoming email ? |
| 18:39.25 | fastPutty | thanks |
| 18:40.04 | PerfDave | fastPutty: Is there any reason not to use Exim, which Debian uses by default? |
| 18:40.23 | fastPutty | i didnt know exim is installed by default on debian? |
| 18:40.33 | fastPutty | so sendmail shold works by default? |
| 18:40.42 | PerfDave | Exim provides a compatible sendmail binary, yes. |
| 18:41.02 | fastPutty | then why whe i used sendmail on shell |
| 18:41.11 | fastPutty | it said Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents, |
| 18:41.11 | fastPutty | not directly from a shell command line. Options and/or arguments control |
| 18:41.11 | fastPutty | what it does when called. For a list of options, see the Exim documentation. |
| 18:41.27 | PerfDave | fastPutty: What was the command you used? |
| 18:41.31 | fastPutty | sendmail |
| 18:41.45 | PerfDave | What's the output of "which sendmail"? |
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| 18:42.03 | stuckey | I'm lost on this --- some sources say edit /etc/apt/preferences.d but that's not a file, rather a directory |
| 18:42.06 | stuckey | Everything I read from google tells me something different |
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| 18:43.06 | jaunny | Hi, i have installed lenny? my synaptics does not work on nx7400 T5500, and i have a linux64 or linux32? |
| 18:43.14 | fastPutty | PerfDave: how do i send email trough debian using sendmail? |
| 18:43.19 | fastPutty | using shell* |
| 18:43.51 | DogBoy | stuckey, I've never done it, I just know you can do it, maybe someone here knows about apt-pin |
| 18:44.06 | PerfDave | fastPutty: mail, or mailx, or mutt, or various other things. |
| 18:44.12 | PerfDave | fastPutty: What's the output of "which sendmail"? |
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| 18:45.39 | fastPutty | PerfDave: let me paste the output in a pastebin pease wat |
| 18:45.41 | fastPutty | please * |
| 18:46.13 | fastPutty | http://pastebin.com/m5c8f110 |
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| 18:46.19 | fastPutty | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/m5c8f110 |
| 18:46.54 | PerfDave | fastPutty: That's not what I asked for, but never mind. You probably want to set up Exim correctly, with "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 18:47.19 | PerfDave | fastPutty: "Mailing to remote domains not supported" means that exim is refusing to send that mail off your server. |
| 18:47.23 | fastPutty | oh ok |
| 18:47.31 | fastPutty | i see.. so i sould take the option internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP |
| 18:47.53 | abrotman | is it a real mail server? |
| 18:48.10 | fastPutty | hmm i need to reieve email and send email tat all i need, it more a web server |
| 18:48.26 | fastPutty | but my domain name pointed to this server |
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| 18:48.37 | fastPutty | so i need to setup a way t able to receive and forward email.. |
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| 18:50.22 | PerfDave | fastPutty: That sounds like the right option yes. |
| 18:51.22 | garotosopa | PerfDave: It turned out I cannot specify the archtecture (amd64) to apt-zip so it downloads only the 32bits packages. |
| 18:51.38 | PerfDave | garotosopa: That's a shame! |
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| 18:52.01 | PerfDave | garotosopa: Even if you generate the fetch script on an amd64 box? |
| 18:52.23 | garotosopa | PerfDave: I'm not able to do that. |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | garotosopa: generate it on the 32bit and change the list ? |
| 18:53.47 | jaunny | why eclipse distrib is only 3.2? when 3.3? |
| 18:54.08 | garotosopa | abrotman: I suppose it doesn't necessarily match the package versions and most definetetly not the checksum, which I could live without if necessary. |
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| 18:54.47 | garotosopa | I'll try it. |
| 18:54.49 | abrotman | garotosopa: have you tried using apt-get on the other machine to print the URIs and then feed them to wget on the interneted mnachine ? |
| 18:55.38 | fastPutty | PerfDave: after restarting exim it said: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken failed! |
| 18:55.41 | fastPutty | is tat normal? |
| 18:55.43 | PerfDave | fastPutty: No |
| 18:55.45 | garotosopa | abrotman: I don't even have the packages available on aptitude on the amd64 machine since I could not run aptitude update online. It has packages only from CDs 1 and 2. |
| 18:55.49 | PerfDave | fastPutty: What's in /var/log/exim4/paniclog ? |
| 18:56.02 | abrotman | garotosopa: you could move the Packages list over ? |
| 18:56.03 | fastPutty | 2010-01-29 01:19:02 socket bind() to port 25 for address 127.0.0.1 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned |
| 18:56.17 | PerfDave | garotosopa: The way apt-zip is supposed to work is, you run it on the machine where you want to install the packages, and it generates a script which you run on the machine with the internet connectivity |
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| 18:56.27 | PerfDave | fastPutty: What did you do to restart exim? |
| 18:56.54 | fastPutty | use /etc/init.d/exim restart |
| 18:57.03 | fastPutty | actually after the config, they did automatically for me.. |
| 18:57.13 | PerfDave | fastPutty: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:57.34 | krisfremen | hmm, i was wondering, is there a way to show percentage while sending a file with obexftp? |
| 18:57.46 | PerfDave | fastPutty: Also, what's the output of "netstat -plunt | grep :25" ? |
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| 18:58.22 | fastPutty | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 |
| 18:58.24 | garotosopa | abrotman: no. I'm at work on 32bits and must take the packages I need to my 64bits at home. |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | garotosopa: ah okay |
| 18:58.57 | garotosopa | abrotman, PerfDave: I'm trying to replace i386 to amd64 on the download list. so far so good. |
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| 18:59.06 | fastPutty | PerfDave: when i stop the exim, it stil lshow me the eror, but port 25 is not listened anymore |
| 18:59.20 | booh | debian sucks because mtr is compiled with X support, forcing me to install crap on my server. |
| 18:59.22 | fastPutty | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8237/exim4 |
| 18:59.22 | fastPutty | tcp6 0 0 :::25 :::* LISTEN 8237/exim4 |
| 18:59.35 | abrotman | booh: install without recommends |
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| 19:00.00 | booh | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 19:00.06 | PerfDave | booh: Install mtr-tiny |
| 19:00.18 | booh | PerfDave: also a good solution ty |
| 19:00.24 | abrotman | !tell booh about apt recommends |
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| 19:01.12 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, mtr is actually compiled with X support and depends on rather than recommends a bunch of X libraries as a result; mtr-tiny is the same software without X support. |
| 19:02.56 | NoCode | Instead of typing: "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib" all the time, where can I add it to automatically load? |
| 19:02.57 | fastPutty | PerfDave: what hapened ? =( |
| 19:03.32 | PerfDave | fastPutty: It looks like you're trying to run two copies of exim? |
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| 19:03.52 | PerfDave | fastPutty: I've got to go and sort some stuff out, I'll be back in a bit. |
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| 19:09.51 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:11.17 | stuckey | DogBoy: okay |
| 19:11.43 | stuckey | Can anyone tell me how I can set up "apt pinning" so that I don't use any packages out of debian-multimedia unless I specifically ask for them? |
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| 19:13.14 | abrotman | stuckey: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 19:15.28 | stuckey | abrotman: link to wiki is dead |
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| 19:18.30 | PerfDave | fastPutty: If you do "/etc/init.d/exim4 stop", then that netstat command, does it give any output? |
| 19:19.01 | nsadmin | ping wiki.debian.org : From vlan660.acheron02.dus.dg-i.net (195.49.153.173) icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable |
| 19:20.03 | abrotman | stuckey: uhm, yeah, it's there, the server is down |
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| 19:23.59 | fastPutty | PerfDave: it works now, i have deleted the paniclog files. |
| 19:24.07 | fastPutty | PerfDave: look like it has some problem writing into this file. |
| 19:24.46 | DogBoy | stuckey, if you put the link into google you can look at google's cache of the page |
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| 19:27.43 | nsadmin | abrotman who to ping to get the server back up? |
| 19:27.53 | abrotman | nsadmin: i'm sure they know about it |
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| 19:28.27 | nsadmin | if that's the case it's not just a server restart that's required |
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| 19:29.13 | stuckey | abrotman: so in my case, couldn't I just set target release? |
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| 19:33.19 | funky | hello |
| 19:33.29 | funky | how can install all those packages that depend on python2.6-gtk2? |
| 19:33.43 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.46 | funky | etc... (on sid) |
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| 19:34.08 | abrotman | wait a day or two and try again ? |
| 19:34.20 | funky | this is happening since more thatn 2 days |
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| 19:34.44 | funky | i'll wait for 2 more days, ok |
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| 19:34.56 | abrotman | funky: make sure you do an aptitude update |
| 19:35.03 | funky | i do |
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| 19:35.11 | funky | I mean, it is |
| 19:35.45 | nascentmind | hi. when apt upgrades packages it shows as installing and removing. does it remove these programs from the system? |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | just making sure .. some people forget that step |
| 19:36.06 | funky | indeed, not my case |
| 19:36.11 | abrotman | nascentmind: you mean does it uninstall the ones it says it's going to remove? yes |
| 19:36.47 | nascentmind | abrotman, so when i am upgrading say kde if it removes the libraries when it is running doesn't it crash? |
| 19:36.57 | abrotman | not if the app is already running |
| 19:37.14 | nascentmind | abrotman, you mean to say because the shared libs are already loaded in the mem? |
| 19:37.44 | funky | obviously, there was a bug report about it http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567345 |
| 19:38.08 | funky | nascentmind: that's what he means |
| 19:38.36 | funky | but it will crash in a not very far moment |
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| 19:39.10 | nascentmind | yes. that's what i was wondering because the shared libs if not used for a long time would be unloaded right? |
| 19:40.00 | _stink_ | is there a way to have dpkg check that the dependencies for a .deb are installed, and return an error if they're not? --dry-run seems to not check for dependencies. |
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| 19:40.34 | Teratogen | bop! |
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| 19:42.31 | nascentmind | funky, so should i be rebooting everytime i upgrade the package? |
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| 19:43.30 | abrotman | what? |
| 19:43.37 | abrotman | nascentmind: no |
| 19:44.14 | nascentmind | well if it is going to crash as funky said then isn't it dangerous? |
| 19:44.50 | abrotman | you should be fine |
| 19:45.59 | nascentmind | abrotman, can you please explain how debian manages removing lib files etc when a program is running? |
| 19:46.10 | nascentmind | and still manages to be stable? |
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| 19:49.58 | stuckey | abrotman: do I have to enter in a package name in the preferences file? Doing this for every package would become tedious - isn't there a way to tell aptitude that I don't want it dowloading anything else from dmm? |
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| 19:53.06 | funky | nascentmind: it could require a shared object which is not in mem in that moment (because it haven't been required before), and it's been uninstalled |
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| 19:53.29 | funky | or whatever, there are many possible options |
| 19:53.49 | nascentmind | so should i be rebooting everytime a package is installed? |
| 19:54.10 | nascentmind | funky, isn't this dangerous? |
| 19:54.24 | nascentmind | s/installed/upgraded |
| 19:54.37 | funky | ? |
| 19:54.45 | funky | do you have to do anything |
| 19:54.50 | funky | fuck |
| 19:54.55 | funky | i mean, you dont have to do anything |
| 19:55.36 | janhouse | hello |
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| 19:56.03 | janhouse | hello! |
| 19:56.10 | janhouse | Can I remotely update from etch to lenny? |
| 19:56.11 | nascentmind | funky, why not? |
| 19:56.26 | funky | why yes? |
| 19:56.33 | nascentmind | atleast some technical explanation or some manual would help |
| 19:56.39 | janhouse | I rent dedicated server but it has etch. |
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| 19:56.42 | PerfDave | janhouse: You should be able to, particularly if you're not running network-manager. |
| 19:56.58 | janhouse | PerfDave, It has no gui |
| 19:56.58 | stuckey | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header <-- I get this when I do update |
| 19:57.01 | PerfDave | janhouse: OTOH, if you can arrange some kind of console rather than SSH access to the remote server, that might be preferable. |
| 19:57.08 | PerfDave | janhouse: You don't need a GUI to use network-manager :) |
| 19:57.29 | PerfDave | janhouse: Read the Lenny installation guide about upgrades. |
| 19:57.43 | stuckey | Here are my source files: http://paste.debian.net/58021/ |
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| 20:14.32 | janhouse | thx |
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| 20:15.44 | archboxman | Hello need help getting boot faster.... Have ArchLinux now down to 15 seconds would like to get debian down to the same boot time.. Any ideas??? Good Article will do.. ;) |
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| 20:17.16 | dondelelcaro | archboxman: http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup |
| 20:17.30 | archboxman | dondelelcaro: thank you ... :) |
| 20:17.48 | nsadmin | archboxman: archlinux would be supported on their web site... perhaps the link don just handed you could work with some work |
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| 20:21.13 | designerman | Hey does anyone know what I need to add to my apt sources list to get the fuse-sources package to install modprobe fuse with? |
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| 20:22.21 | dondelelcaro | designerman: fuse is built in to modern Debian kernels |
| 20:23.26 | designerman | dondelelcaro: modprobe fuse FATAL: Module fuse not found. |
| 20:23.38 | dondelelcaro | designerman: what does uname -a; return? |
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| 20:24.02 | designerman | dondelelcaro: Linux wowo 2.6.18-128.7.1.el5xen #1 SMP Mon Aug 24 10:08:55 EDT 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:24.11 | dondelelcaro | designerman: that's not a Debian kernel |
| 20:24.29 | archboxman | nsadmin: Did you read what I said before about running both debian and archlinux and wanting to get boot times down to 15 seconds with debian... |
| 20:24.51 | dondelelcaro | designerman: whoever built it neglected to build fuse (or install the modules into your xen image). install them, or use a debian kernel and the corresponding xen modules package |
| 20:25.06 | nsadmin | no... but the link could still be applied to your arch box with some work |
| 20:25.08 | designerman | dondelelcaro: apt-get install fuse |
| 20:25.19 | dondelelcaro | designerman: uh... no. |
| 20:25.28 | designerman | dondelelcaro: what do I do? Been trying loads |
| 20:25.50 | dondelelcaro | designerman: fuse is part of the mainstream kernel; there's no source package for it. |
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| 20:26.02 | nsadmin | designerman what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 20:26.05 | designerman | ok |
| 20:26.17 | designerman | 5.0.3 |
| 20:26.19 | dondelelcaro | designerman: talk to whoever gave you your xen slice, and have them give you a real Debian kernel. |
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| 20:26.36 | archboxman | nsadmin: my archbox is down to 15 second boot times and yes both of them have similar setups ,but ArchLinux is more like Slackware or BSD for structure... |
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| 20:26.45 | dondelelcaro | (or if this is a real physical machine that you control, use a real Debian kernel, like 2.6.26) |
| 20:26.50 | designerman | dondelelcaro: ah right so I cannot get around it if im runing xen |
| 20:26.51 | nsadmin | oh, this is a remote virtual server? |
| 20:26.55 | designerman | nsadmin: yeh |
| 20:27.01 | designerman | nsadmin: just wanted to get sshfs running |
| 20:27.03 | nsadmin | so it's a domU |
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| 20:27.30 | dondelelcaro | designerman: yeah, your support people should be able to give you the module, or tell you where to get it from |
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| 20:27.46 | designerman | dondelelcaro: ah damn i cant install it? |
| 20:27.50 | dondelelcaro | designerman: and really, they should be running a more modern kernel |
| 20:28.10 | dondelelcaro | designerman: you could if you were actually running a Debian kernel, but you're not, so it won't work. |
| 20:28.21 | designerman | dondelelcaro: ah f**k damn |
| 20:28.52 | dondelelcaro | designerman: whoever you're getting this xen host from should be able to help you; if not, they don't know what they're doing. |
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| 20:29.51 | nsadmin | they might have to revamp their setup in order to offer a different kernel |
| 20:29.53 | JyZyXEL | how do i do whole system encryption? |
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| 20:30.05 | JyZyXEL | meaning / is gonna be crypted |
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| 20:31.07 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: Boot the Debian installer, tell it you want to use encryption. |
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| 20:31.23 | Dantix | hi all, by a mistake I've installed debian5 with graphical support and I want to disable it. What parameter in inittab I need to change? |
| 20:31.37 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: easiest way? get a new drive, partition it like your old drive, turn encryption on for the new drive, copy each partition over with the usual tar pipe (with -p as root) |
| 20:31.40 | PerfDave | Dantix: Just remove or disable the display manager you've installed |
| 20:31.50 | nsadmin | and -l |
| 20:32.23 | jelly-home | !tell Dantix about nodm |
| 20:32.24 | Dantix | PerfDave: disable means remove de startup script from rc2.d? |
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| 20:32.31 | PerfDave | Dantix: Use update-rc.d |
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| 20:32.49 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin: without getting a new drive |
| 20:33.10 | JyZyXEL | i wanna encrypt my existing drive and the system in it |
| 20:33.14 | nsadmin | use existing unpartitioned space on the existing drive |
| 20:33.23 | archboxman | nsadmin: does objects load in as deamons in debian??? and can I get these to run in the background on load times or is it done through runlevels??? |
| 20:33.24 | nsadmin | and copy over as before |
| 20:33.28 | Dantix | PerfDave: thanks |
| 20:33.42 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: This is going to be a huge pain in the arse for you - resizing and moving encrypted partitions once they're set up is awkward. |
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| 20:34.00 | Dantix | jelly-home: thanks |
| 20:34.01 | nsadmin | archboxman: it's runlevels with sysvinit right now |
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| 20:34.28 | JyZyXEL | hows so |
| 20:34.37 | archboxman | nsadmin: Then that is like comparing apples to oranges... thanks... ;) |
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| 20:35.08 | nsadmin | hey themill |
| 20:35.20 | archboxman | nsadmin: loaded sysv-rc-conf thanks :) |
| 20:35.22 | JyZyXEL | how do i get the thing to boot when its encrypted |
| 20:35.31 | JyZyXEL | and ask for password |
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| 20:36.26 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: You have an unencrypted /boot partition. The initrd contains the stuff that is needed to prompt the user for a passphrase and decrypt / |
| 20:36.41 | JyZyXEL | well that sounds cool |
| 20:37.08 | archboxman | nsadmin: do we really need cups,corn,gdm,hal all starting at a run level 2 - 4??? |
| 20:37.13 | JyZyXEL | now how do i make all this happen easy |
| 20:37.26 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: That's what the Debian installer does for you automatically; doing it by hand is *much* more painful, as I've learned :) |
| 20:37.27 | nsadmin | we? :) |
| 20:37.38 | nsadmin | what about you? :) |
| 20:37.47 | archboxman | nsadmin: should say me..lol |
| 20:38.05 | JyZyXEL | :[ |
| 20:38.29 | archboxman | nsadmin: I guess your saying its upto the individual .. Thank you will play with setup ;) |
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| 20:38.56 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: It's not impossible, but you'll need to have your head screwed on tight for dealing with manual use of cryptsetup, lvm etc. |
| 20:39.04 | nsadmin | like I said, the easiest with an existing setup is to copy to another drive...the easiest without, is tell the installer |
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| 20:40.09 | nsadmin | if your head is screwed on tight, watch out if it's spring loaded! |
| 20:40.29 | JyZyXEL | i can't do that while running the system tho |
| 20:41.05 | nsadmin | archboxman figure out what they are and if you need each one |
| 20:41.41 | archboxman | nsadmin: giving it a try now.. ;) |
| 20:41.52 | nsadmin | many times, there will be a delay in starting certain daemons if you don't have the net and especially name service available |
| 20:41.59 | NoCode | I'm currently using Squeeze. I'm using http://pastebin.ca/1771169 as a startup script which is "/home/justin/googlegadgets.sh" in the startup applications applet in the menu. It doesn't want to execute, meanwhile it is executable. |
| 20:42.16 | JyZyXEL | man what the hell i thought we had nice crypto tools that could crypt a live system |
| 20:42.17 | NoCode | What do I need to do to make it run? |
| 20:42.17 | JyZyXEL | i guess not |
| 20:42.31 | JyZyXEL | very dissapointing |
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| 20:43.09 | nsadmin | stop pulling :) and contribute... when you're done writing these nice crypto tools, let someone know! |
| 20:44.09 | nsadmin | how long until the ircd upgrade in hours? |
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| 20:44.59 | JyZyXEL | well maybe i can just encrypt /tmp and /swapfile |
| 20:45.21 | JyZyXEL | that i should be able to do on a live system |
| 20:45.23 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: What are you trying to achieve? Why would you just encrypt /tmp and swap? |
| 20:45.45 | nsadmin | and what's /swapfile? |
| 20:45.47 | JyZyXEL | PerfDave: to stop encryted documents from leaking into swap and temp |
| 20:46.16 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: Leaking from where? |
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| 20:46.30 | JyZyXEL | when im handling data from an encrypted container on an unecrypted system it tends to leak |
| 20:47.10 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: But you don't have an encrypted container? |
| 20:47.18 | JyZyXEL | yes i do |
| 20:47.37 | PerfDave | Where? |
| 20:47.41 | JyZyXEL | oh, oh, yea i mean, what encrypted container? its just random data ;) |
| 20:47.56 | PerfDave | What are you trying to protect and against what? |
| 20:48.30 | JyZyXEL | why secret plans to take over the world of course |
| 20:49.29 | PerfDave | *rolleyes* |
| 20:49.44 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: You don't seem to understand crypto in Debian very well. I'm trying to help you :) |
| 20:50.30 | JyZyXEL | well i have experience with loop mounted crypto containers |
| 20:50.45 | JyZyXEL | EncFS and dm-crypt |
| 20:50.53 | nsadmin | that's not the important question |
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| 20:51.33 | nsadmin | the question is: what are you trying to accomplish? specifically... <PerfDave> What are you trying to protect and against what? |
| 20:51.35 | PerfDave | Security isn't about the technology you use, it's about the way you use it ;) |
| 20:51.49 | PerfDave | meditates to fuel his Schneier Zen |
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| 20:53.24 | nsadmin | if you're not willing to answer that (which is your choice) then it's more difficult to help, and you should probably pay someone to help you since that would indicate you want to make it more difficult |
| 20:54.25 | nsadmin | or read up on it all yourself |
| 20:55.03 | PerfDave | I've done cryptoloop before, but luks is a little different - it may pay to have a test system (VM or something) to play with. |
| 20:55.37 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin: would be cool to have a completely crypted system |
| 20:55.46 | JyZyXEL | in case somebody steals my computer |
| 20:56.47 | archboxman | nsadmin: Funny when I pushed hal down to a run level 3 to 5 it effected the hard drive and loading processes ..lol |
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| 20:57.18 | nsadmin | good thing to know what those things do before moving them :) |
| 20:57.52 | archboxman | lol love to take down linux... and reload it... ;) |
| 20:59.16 | archboxman | nsadmin: lol to take down windows and reload it with linux ;) |
| 20:59.25 | archboxman | love |
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| 21:00.14 | nsadmin | that's a matter of looking at the data on the windows and deciding if it's worth keeping |
| 21:01.30 | nsadmin | if not, just wipe and reinstall... if so, back up first |
| 21:01.35 | archboxman | nsadmin: try to save important data to online services like google..Easy to get to via another computer not see easy in Microcrap |
| 21:02.00 | PerfDave | archboxman: Assuming you trust Google, of course ;) |
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| 21:03.50 | archboxman | PerfDave: Dont trust anyone that what I call a verifaction mode when I walk upto my bank show them ID card and proof I have been there .. That is also why I bank with US.Bank have upto 10,000 dallor protection against fraud.. ;) |
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| 21:04.41 | archboxman | PerfDave: Nothing is full proof so I use a 2 or 3 system setup.. |
| 21:05.30 | archboxman | PerfDave: the rest of my data is just for social networks ,dont mean much.. lol |
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| 21:08.37 | muhoo | i need to install the latest ruby gems 1.3.1 on a debian lenny system. how can i force ruby setup.rb to install in /USR/FUCKING/LOCAL?! when i give the --prefix=/usr/local arg to the setup programm, it still insists on installing stuff into /usr/lib/ruby. bastards. |
| 21:09.00 | PerfDave | muhoo: Ask #ruby? |
| 21:09.13 | muhoo | they'll tell me to ask #debian , no? |
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| 21:11.10 | nsadmin | muhoo: debian packages do not touch /usr/local, there is a policy against it. if you want it to use that, then you will probably have to build ruby and rubygems yourself |
| 21:12.43 | Devastator | muhoo did you check INSTALL dir for parameters? perhaps it has something like --lib-dir |
| 21:12.48 | Devastator | opss |
| 21:12.52 | Devastator | INSTALL file |
| 21:13.32 | nsadmin | that would come under the category of building it himself too |
| 21:14.13 | Devastator | nsadmin but I thought he was already doing it.. |
| 21:14.40 | nsadmin | oh, if he is then PerfDave had the right idea in the first place :) |
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| 21:15.08 | nsadmin | I didn't think about that :) |
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| 21:15.37 | krisfremen | anyone knows of an alternative or a way to make obexftp show percentage of how much is sent? |
| 21:16.08 | Devastator | nsadmin you might be exhausted of helping |
| 21:16.56 | nsadmin | could be. I have filters.... |
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| 21:21.48 | Roland- | hey, what does @@ -113,7 +113,14 @@ mean in patch language? |
| 21:22.33 | nsadmin | 7 lines starting at line 113 are replaced by 14 lines starting at line 113 |
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| 21:24.47 | luke-jr | besides the "fsck every N days", are there any other timebombs in Debian? <.< |
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| 21:24.59 | Tired | aw, he left, they always do that... |
| 21:25.17 | Tired | there's rubygems | 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1 - that should've been good enough? |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | luke-jr: how is that a timebomb ? |
| 21:25.24 | nsadmin | luke-jr: other than the hand grenade at your feet? :) |
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| 21:25.59 | luke-jr | abrotman: I'm using a non-persistent disk, so after so long, the fsck wants to reboot it forever |
| 21:26.00 | Tired | luke-jr, do you seriously think we'll spoil your surprise? |
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| 21:26.19 | abrotman | luke-jr: awesome |
| 21:26.28 | Tired | anyway, that's not a Debian property, but one of ext[0-9] |
| 21:26.40 | luke-jr | Tired: ext[0-9] is Debian default :) |
| 21:27.06 | luke-jr | I don't care where the decision was made, just to disarm it :P |
| 21:27.10 | Tired | but I've run into this with suse already in 2001 or so |
| 21:27.17 | PerfDave | What's a "non-persistent disk"? |
| 21:27.31 | luke-jr | PerfDave: it resets on reboot |
| 21:27.41 | nooper | like tmpfs |
| 21:27.42 | luke-jr | PerfDave: in this case, qemu -snapshot |
| 21:27.45 | kilobyte | go jfs/xfs/... or tune2fs it, it's effectively a denial of service problem since out of random you can have your system inaccessible for half a hour |
| 21:27.57 | jelly-home | luke-jr: so... why dod you forget to tune2fs -c0 -i0 that filesystem after creating it? |
| 21:27.58 | PerfDave | luke-jr: So take a snapshot of a clean FS :) |
| 21:28.14 | jelly-home | did* |
| 21:28.16 | luke-jr | jelly-home: I am doing that now; I'm asking if there's any other similar timebombs I need to disarm :P |
| 21:28.19 | luke-jr | PerfDave: it was |
| 21:28.30 | luke-jr | PerfDave: but fsck likes to do it regardless of state after so long |
| 21:28.36 | Tired | PerfDave, that's not the problem... it is clean... only not tested for half a year or so |
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| 21:28.50 | Tired | it's one of the weirder ideas in ext2 |
| 21:29.08 | PerfDave | It's not a terrible idea. |
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| 21:29.16 | kilobyte | Tired: wasting 5% of disk space by default since it made sense in 1970 is weirder |
| 21:29.40 | Tired | kilobyte, I never claimed it was _the weirdest_ idea |
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| 21:30.06 | PerfDave | The idea that a filesystem doesn't always trust its own metadata and double-checks periodically is not inherently bad, but the implementation hasn't really kept up. |
| 21:30.19 | jelly-home | are you people complaining about tunable defaults? |
| 21:30.32 | jelly-home | there's /etc/mke2fs.conf |
| 21:30.50 | luke-jr | jelly-home: I'm asking what else there might be similar in a Debian setup |
| 21:31.16 | PerfDave | luke-jr: Mount your partition outside of qemu, fsck it, bob's your uncle/ |
| 21:31.30 | jelly-home | luke-jr: forgetting to update initramfs can be fun in certain siutations |
| 21:31.45 | luke-jr | PerfDave: it's deployed on Windows -.- |
| 21:32.02 | PerfDave | luke-jr: You're running qemu on Windows? |
| 21:32.08 | luke-jr | PerfDave: they are |
| 21:32.18 | jelly-home | eh, them. |
| 21:33.21 | nsadmin | luke-jr: the details on the packages and how they work are ultimately documented by their source code |
| 21:33.45 | archboxman | nsadmin: wrong way to disable usplash never do it via sysv-rc-conf lol lol :) |
| 21:33.57 | luke-jr | on a similar topic: reducing disk size; is there a "right" way to get rid of extraneous locales and /usr/share/doc? |
| 21:34.13 | nsadmin | there's update-rc.d |
| 21:35.21 | archboxman | sysv-rc-conf GUI... Is update-rc.d a gui or cli??? |
| 21:35.28 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:36.04 | luke-jr | nsadmin: hence why I asked for a right way |
| 21:36.14 | nsadmin | remove the package |
| 21:36.25 | luke-jr | ... |
| 21:37.36 | kilobyte | localepurge does this, it's still a hack but at least someone put some effort into researching a safe way to do that |
| 21:38.23 | jelly-home | Kuzavas: what kind of constraints do you have to want to remove /usr/share/doc? |
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| 21:38.31 | jelly-home | luke-jr: what kind of constraints do you have to want to remove /usr/share/doc? |
| 21:38.48 | luke-jr | jelly-home: "as small as possible"? |
| 21:39.00 | jelly-home | luke-jr: "why"? |
| 21:39.01 | kblessinggr | is there a tool on lenny that I can use that can give me bandwidth usage based on incoming reuqests to domain names (or by IP even) as to help give me a better picture of my usage-by-sites? |
| 21:39.08 | luke-jr | jelly-home: so I can upload it faster? |
| 21:39.10 | nsadmin | perhaps it doesn't matter to you whether you have "debian" functionalities as long as you have a running system... if this is the case, know that you can do anything, and then you'll be the maintainer for your whole system since, having broken packaging, people won't have a reasonable knowledge of what you have |
| 21:39.13 | luke-jr | and archiving it isn't a pain |
| 21:40.15 | nsadmin | AND, any resulting system would be off topic |
| 21:40.18 | jelly-home | luke-jr: how often do you upload the systems? doc/ directory is quite useful in a pinch |
| 21:41.29 | roe | Where can I see why icedove and iceowl-extension seem to be stuck in experimental, instead of in sid? |
| 21:41.33 | kilobyte | luke-jr: use rsync |
| 21:41.37 | luke-jr | jelly-home: useful for what exactly, in a VM running as a service ;P |
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| 21:42.49 | kilobyte | luke-jr: a random server: 24MB. A desktop/devel machine with untold gigabytes of other cruft: 276MB. |
| 21:43.01 | jelly-home | omg 270MB! |
| 21:43.11 | nsadmin | that's tiny |
| 21:43.15 | luke-jr | 26 MB on this |
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| 21:43.27 | archboxman | luke-jr: the bigger question ... to me would be can you upgrade your system after deleting this doc directory?? |
| 21:43.41 | jelly-home | archboxman: he definitely can |
| 21:44.10 | archboxman | what is the big deal in deleting it??? |
| 21:44.12 | jelly-home | archboxman: deleting it is kind of allowed, I'm arguing there's little point in doiong that |
| 21:44.37 | kilobyte | and if something stop working after that, it's a RC bug |
| 21:44.38 | archboxman | oh I see size obselete got it... ;) |
| 21:44.41 | nsadmin | I'd be curious to know your current uptimes and how often you intend to reboot the service |
| 21:44.58 | luke-jr | nsadmin: no clue |
| 21:45.08 | luke-jr | I just write the stuff, I don't use it :P |
| 21:45.23 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 21:45.35 | archboxman | lmao luke-jr |
| 21:45.38 | nsadmin | well if you only have 26 mb in total on that whole system, fscks should be short |
| 21:46.10 | luke-jr | nsadmin: the problem isn't the delay, it's the reboot fsck forces after |
| 21:46.27 | nsadmin | so again, how often do you reboot? |
| 21:46.28 | luke-jr | but I'm at the shrinking step now ;P |
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| 21:46.35 | luke-jr | nsadmin: no idea |
| 21:46.56 | LionKMP | Hi all, I have a quick question, sysadmin is on holiday. We lost /boot due to HD crash, how can I recreate it? (I think I have the latest kernel in /usr/src/) |
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| 21:47.13 | luke-jr | nsadmin: again, reboot = disk reset |
| 21:47.17 | nsadmin | so let me see, you provide virtual systems to people who want to run them to do things like host their web service? |
| 21:48.12 | archboxman | LionKMP: you run backups don't you???? |
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| 21:48.45 | luke-jr | nsadmin: I write the daemon the VM runs |
| 21:48.49 | acidslep | I have rtorrent. When it is checking the hash of a finished torrent, it fills up the cache, and i have severe performance issues |
| 21:48.53 | luke-jr | nsadmin: it's Perl, and I don't feel like messing with Perl on Windows |
| 21:48.57 | LionKMP | archboxman: don't ask, I am paying this server since 1 year and only recently got any services up and running. We will reach backup stage in another year :( |
| 21:49.02 | luke-jr | so if they want to run Windows, they get a Debian VM running it |
| 21:49.03 | acidslep | is it rtorrents fault that the cache is not cleared? |
| 21:49.39 | charzero | Weird. Something just killed Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin, and Netbeans all at once. |
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| 21:50.08 | jelly-home | acidslep: that's normal behaviour... reading a file fills up the cache |
| 21:50.17 | luke-jr | can I get aptitude to wipe its package lists? :) |
| 21:50.23 | archboxman | LionKMP: lol are you playing with the server and crashed it??? No way it takes a year to get a server up and running and let alone do backups in a debian system ... come on lol |
| 21:50.50 | jelly-home | luke-jr: you may rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*.* manually |
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| 21:51.19 | jelly-home | (yes, that's *.* and not *) |
| 21:51.30 | webPragmatist | any idea where debian would hide a reference to /htdocs |
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| 21:51.41 | webPragmatist | i've checked all my sites-enabled |
| 21:51.41 | abrotman | LionKMP: you compiled your own kernel ? |
| 21:51.51 | hochron | how can I edit the entries in grub? |
| 21:51.52 | webPragmatist | for httpd |
| 21:52.11 | LionKMP | abrotman: the sysadmin did, but he is on 2 months work far away, no net, no phone :( |
| 21:52.26 | nsadmin | webPragmatist look in /var/www but also look at the config files |
| 21:52.32 | LionKMP | abrotman: so I can't even ask if he made a tar.gz of /boot |
| 21:52.41 | abrotman | LionKMP: is there a reason he compiled it instead of using the Debian one ? |
| 21:52.48 | luke-jr | jelly-home: what of /var/cache/apt/* ? |
| 21:53.03 | webPragmatist | nsadmin: just sites in /var/www |
| 21:53.20 | LionKMP | abrotman: vserver (but I told him Debian has vserver enabled kernels by default, still he did again. Date is 28 december in vmlinux in /usr/src) |
| 21:53.24 | jelly-home | luke-jr: aptitude clean clears it |
| 21:53.33 | jelly-home | or apt-get clean |
| 21:53.36 | nsadmin | webPragmatist not sure I understand what you're asking for |
| 21:53.49 | nsadmin | a content dir for a site? |
| 21:54.00 | hochron | I think direct x's web installer screwed up some things..... First it would not let me get to nvidia's website from firefox (I had to use I.E.), second it made windows my default choice on grub :( |
| 21:54.10 | luke-jr | jelly-home: not completely |
| 21:54.15 | luke-jr | jelly-home: still 20 MB left |
| 21:54.35 | archboxman | abrotman: when have you ever seen a admin go on vacation and not take a cell phone come on he is haking the system ... I would have to on call, take a company phone and maybe a satelite phone at best if out of range of a cell tower.. No admin I have ever seen goes of without his gadgets??? |
| 21:55.09 | webPragmatist | nsadmin: where is documentroot stored |
| 21:55.22 | LionKMP | archboxman: well, this is a "community" server, ran by a few friends, and one that knows most about linux takes the role of sysadmin. |
| 21:55.26 | abrotman | archboxman: that's his perogative .. if you work for a large company, that's entirely likely |
| 21:55.29 | nsadmin | ok, would that be in the httpd config file? |
| 21:55.39 | LionKMP | archboxman: he made excellent vserver guests and stuff like that (just forgot PHP sessions and such minor things ;-) ) |
| 21:55.47 | abrotman | archboxman: if you're on a team of 100 admins .. why should they need to call you |
| 21:56.13 | webPragmatist | nsadmin: my httpd.conf is empty? |
| 21:56.22 | webPragmatist | there's an apache2.conf that is full of stuf |
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| 21:56.36 | jelly-home | luke-jr: the policy says you could wipe all the contents of /var/cache without issues |
| 21:56.42 | nsadmin | maybe it's in there... do you use apache2? |
| 21:56.55 | webPragmatist | yes |
| 21:57.03 | webPragmatist | but it's not only ServerRoot ? |
| 21:57.08 | nsadmin | it'd be in there |
| 21:57.26 | webPragmatist | is there a default maybe |
| 21:57.47 | nsadmin | the document root would be assiciated with a domain name (if you have more than one, then it's virtualhosting |
| 21:57.52 | LionKMP | abrotman: Isn't there an easy way to recreate /boot. I think we use LILO. There should be a guide somewhere on the net but I can't find. |
| 21:58.05 | LionKMP | mkinitrd, etc, I don't know these :( |
| 21:58.19 | LionKMP | everything is in RAID except /boot. |
| 21:58.50 | archboxman | abrotman: since I was in the US Coast Guard with a top secret security clearance ... No admin would ever leave without give info... Where he is going and how long he will be gone ... Also he would call dailey to check the status of or crypto room.. Your kinding me on ... No way to call or send a message via western union.. This not the 1900's sorry we are way past that... lmao |
| 21:59.24 | nsadmin | webPragmatist so I'm more confused now... are you looking for a reference to a document root that does not yet exist? |
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| 21:59.42 | webPragmatist | nsadmin: |
| 21:59.45 | nsadmin | (the dir itself, not the reference to it) |
| 21:59.57 | nsadmin | are you trying to set up the server atm? |
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| 22:00.22 | webPragmatist | nsadmin: somehow apache is trying to access /htdocs … and it's not in any of my sites-enabled |
| 22:00.31 | webPragmatist | but i was thinking there has to be a global wide docroot |
| 22:00.46 | webPragmatist | each of my vhosts have a docroot |
| 22:00.51 | nsadmin | it's not /var/www? |
| 22:01.00 | webPragmatist | well they are stored inside of that |
| 22:01.11 | webPragmatist | but /var/www has a bunch of dirs that i keep my site in |
| 22:01.13 | webPragmatist | sites* |
| 22:01.23 | nsadmin | no I mean, is there a /var/www/htdocs |
| 22:01.28 | webPragmatist | no |
| 22:01.47 | nsadmin | when your apache tries to access it, does it say dir not found? |
| 22:01.48 | webPragmatist | there's an apache2-default dir |
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| 22:01.51 | webPragmatist | yes |
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| 22:03.01 | nsadmin | and there is also no /var/www/apache2-default/htdocs? |
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| 22:03.50 | webPragmatist | no |
| 22:03.50 | LionKMP | lion@c64:~$ ls /boot |
| 22:03.52 | LionKMP | ls: reading directory /boot: Input/output error |
| 22:03.54 | LionKMP | :-( |
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| 22:04.52 | webPragmatist | dangit |
| 22:04.53 | webPragmatist | grr |
| 22:05.16 | nsadmin | do you know what file in that dir apache is looking for |
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| 22:06.01 | archboxman | LionKMP: you deleted grub and menu.lst of course you get and error??? |
| 22:06.46 | nsadmin | if you can find out, maybe you can (one at a time) do: mkdir /var/www/htdocs and then touch /var/www/htdocs/thatfile |
| 22:06.56 | LionKMP | archboxman: I think we use LILO. nothing was deleted, just the HD crashed. See hdparm -I /dev/sda |
| 22:06.58 | LionKMP | HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error |
| 22:07.02 | nsadmin | and if that doesn't do it, |
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| 22:07.17 | ben___ | anyone know of a way to get a previous version (dovecot 1.1) from backports? |
| 22:07.31 | ChaozZBubi | apache2: shouldn't it be in this file? /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 22:07.35 | LionKMP | archboxman: I am running in fail mode of the RAID, and /boot has no mirror, just the other partiitons (including / fortunately) |
| 22:07.56 | webPragmatist | i hate you apache |
| 22:07.59 | webPragmatist | I hate you cli |
| 22:08.01 | abrotman | LionKMP: the system is sitll running ? |
| 22:08.05 | webPragmatist | uhg |
| 22:08.05 | LionKMP | so all I need is to: recreate what should be in /boot, insert new HD, copy /boot from a pendrive or whatever. |
| 22:08.10 | LionKMP | abrotman: yes |
| 22:08.10 | nsadmin | mkdir /var/www/apache2-default/htdocs and then touch /var/www/apache2-default/htdocs and see if that makes apache happy |
| 22:08.17 | LionKMP | abrotman: until next reboot :) |
| 22:08.24 | LionKMP | then never again :) |
| 22:08.34 | LionKMP | unless you can help |
| 22:08.40 | ChaozZBubi | webPragmatist, try looking in file /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 22:08.41 | abrotman | LionKMP: so pop a USB drive in there, umount /boot/ mount the usb drive as /boot/ .. reinstall the kernel and update your boot manager |
| 22:08.49 | ChaozZBubi | or something like this |
| 22:08.57 | nsadmin | also, see if you can use #apache for additional support and information |
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| 22:09.40 | LionKMP | abrotman: "reinstall the kernel" ? will that recretate the whole boot? what commands are needed? make install? |
| 22:10.00 | archboxman | LionKMP: here it is LILO |
| 22:10.15 | archboxman | * does not understand filesystems * code and kernel image to be loaded is stored as raw disk offsets * uses the BIOS routines to load |
| 22:10.18 | archboxman | Loading sequence |
| 22:10.23 | nsadmin | if /boot is giving IO errors you need to deal with that before installing kernelsw |
| 22:10.23 | LionKMP | but I don't have a /boot dir on my USB drive, I don't have Debian anywhere else. |
| 22:10.25 | archboxman | * load menu code, typically /boot/boot.b * prompt for (or timeout to default) partition or kernel * for "image=" (ie Linux) option load kernel image * for "other=" (ie DOS) option load first 512 bytes of the partition |
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| 22:11.28 | DEbiansqueeze | aptitude show -V hal how do I show newest available package also? |
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| 22:11.48 | LionKMP | nsadmin: yes, I already have the HD to replace, but first I need to know what to put on the new /dev/sda1 which will be /boot. |
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| 22:13.07 | nsadmin | LionKMP: well /boot has the installed kernels, /boot/grub has probably stage2 and the config file menu.lst |
| 22:13.15 | LionKMP | archboxman: I can write a lilo config or so, but if I don't have "map", "initrd" "kernel", lilo is useless. |
| 22:13.16 | nsadmin | for legacy grub anyway |
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| 22:14.27 | nsadmin | LionKMP: I have a thought... why not create a /boot and a / on that drive then just install debian.... then you throw out the / |
| 22:14.50 | nsadmin | then the /boot has most of what you need and you can adjust the config appropriately |
| 22:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | Wierd. I put a DVD in the drive, it's recognized but won't "open in a new window". I install vlc and libdvdcss and now it detects the DVD as a blank CD. |
| 22:15.10 | archboxman | LionKMP: this is the whole problem how can it refer to the kernel without the image that gets loaded from /boot/boot.b ... there is no way that is why you do a back up and compiling the drive is even got it in other state of not a basic kernel setup |
| 22:15.12 | LionKMP | nsadmin: :-D is that the easiest way to get those 3-4 files? :-) |
| 22:15.28 | LionKMP | nsadmin: I have most of the kernel in /usr/src/kernel anyway. |
| 22:15.37 | LionKMP | maybe even a System.map, if that is needed. |
| 22:15.47 | nsadmin | and you have .debs of it? |
| 22:15.48 | DEbiansqueeze | have you tried more than one dvd? |
| 22:15.54 | LionKMP | nsadmin: no |
| 22:16.14 | salvin | is nm broken on sid? |
| 22:16.19 | slackd00d | don't you need libdvdcss2 or whatever to read dvd's? |
| 22:16.32 | nsadmin | is this drive to replace the only drive you're using? (or is your situation different than this question implies) |
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| 22:17.38 | LionKMP | nsadmin: the system is still up&running, in RAID "fail mode". Everything else than /boot is mirrored and running from the second disk. |
| 22:18.30 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: |
| 22:18.34 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: Not yet. |
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| 22:19.14 | nsadmin | LionKMP so you have a copy of the /boot? |
| 22:19.47 | LionKMP | nsadmin: I don't, that's the only thing which was not in raid. But! I found a very old /boot in unmounted /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:20.00 | DEbiansqueeze | what kind of dvd is it? |
| 22:20.18 | LionKMP | /dev/sda1 was the normal boot, but sda is dead |
| 22:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: As determined how? |
| 22:20.31 | nsadmin | what else is on sda? |
| 22:20.37 | nsadmin | or is it completely dead? |
| 22:20.51 | LionKMP | nsadmin: hdparm even says HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error |
| 22:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: I just tried two others (Blockbuster rentals) and the second one detected as a DVD, but VLC still couldn't open it. |
| 22:20.57 | LionKMP | no signs of life at all |
| 22:21.06 | DEbiansqueeze | ahhh |
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| 22:21.11 | nsadmin | ok, is the new drive in place and running? |
| 22:21.28 | LionKMP | nsadmin: no, I didn't dare to turn it off before knowing what to do after. |
| 22:21.37 | LionKMP | and it's not hot swap |
| 22:21.50 | nsadmin | oh, could you put a usb enclosure around it? |
| 22:22.08 | LionKMP | nsadmin: your idea about installing a new Debian on the new drive and then keeping only /boot sounds ok to me. |
| 22:22.09 | archboxman | LionKMP: what kind of raid are you running on a server ???? And no backup??? lmao that is one great admin you go there not... lmao |
| 22:22.14 | DEbiansqueeze | what if you started vlc from shell? |
| 22:22.33 | nsadmin | then at least you'd be able to partition it and copy stuff to it |
| 22:22.37 | LionKMP | nsadmin: maybe.. dunno what's allowed in that server hotel. Will try tomorrow. |
| 22:22.44 | archboxman | got to go beat my chest up against a tree... |
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| 22:22.55 | simonrvn | you go do that ... |
| 22:22.57 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 22:24.03 | LionKMP | nsadmin: I found this very old /boot dir in /dev/sdb1 now. Hm.. what if we try to umount /boot, mount the very old one there, and reinstall kernel from /usr/src? |
| 22:24.10 | nsadmin | doesn't rembere if this is remote or local |
| 22:24.13 | LionKMP | (unless umount stops the whole thing :) ) |
| 22:24.21 | LionKMP | nsadmin: remote, it's in a server hotel. |
| 22:24.39 | nsadmin | I'd hold off then and backup now |
| 22:24.44 | LionKMP | I'll go there tomorrow with the new HD |
| 22:25.21 | abrotman | and why are you using lilo .. jeez |
| 22:25.25 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:25.25 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 22:25.38 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: dvdread demuxer error: DVDRead cannot open source: /dev/hdc \[00000287] access_file access error: cannot open file /dev/hdc (Permission denied) \ [00000282] main input error: no suitable access module for `dvd:///dev/hdc' |
| 22:25.58 | LionKMP | nsadmin: unfortuantely I don't clearly undertand the vserver setup, so I am not sure what to backup. (We have a host and 2 linux-vserver guests.) |
| 22:26.19 | LionKMP | however it would be cool to vserver X stop and compress the whole and download, if that's possible. :) |
| 22:26.28 | nsadmin | LionKMP can you move the guests to another machine? |
| 22:26.30 | LionKMP | that's how I backup vmware images for example. |
| 22:26.41 | DEbiansqueeze | well i dont know what it means but its a start |
| 22:26.49 | LionKMP | nsadmin: nope, no other linux server around |
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| 22:27.38 | nsadmin | are the guests for your customers? |
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| 22:27.50 | nsadmin | if so you need to talk to them |
| 22:28.10 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: adding myself to the cdrom group... |
| 22:28.20 | LionKMP | nsadmin: it's a hobby server for few users. one guest is for apache+mysql, another is for user homes. Web dirs are "cross-mounted" read only. |
| 22:29.21 | nsadmin | ok, so it's not too critical... still, a short conversation would go a long way |
| 22:29.30 | DEbiansqueeze | sounds reasonable |
| 22:29.57 | LionKMP | I told everyone to save their stuff, but probably the system setup is more work to recreate if I break it with wrong HD replace :( |
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| 22:30.12 | nsadmin | similar to "we're experiencing some turbulence... fasten your seat belts" |
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| 22:30.28 | LionKMP | :D |
| 22:31.12 | nsadmin | this is a debian right? you should get familiar with make-kpkg for building the kernel |
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| 22:31.45 | PerfDave | Really? I haven't built a kernel in Debian since Woody... |
| 22:32.00 | nsadmin | he's building his own, so... |
| 22:32.30 | LionKMP | nsadmin: not me, the sysadmin (of the hobbyists) who went abroad for 2 months and turned off the phone. |
| 22:32.50 | LionKMP | well, I think I have some more ideas now, I'll try some of these tomorrow |
| 22:33.19 | nsadmin | you could even plug the drive into your own system and try to do some of the work in advance |
| 22:34.02 | LionKMP | yes, I liked that idea. hm.. ah, I have the drive at work (because that was near to the server hotel), and no linux there :( |
| 22:34.05 | nsadmin | if you end up installing a linux on that drive, don't blow away the / just yet, might be handy to boot into it at the server hotel |
| 22:34.35 | LionKMP | nsadmin: ah, I can use my mandriva (sorry :) ) install CD to boot console |
| 22:35.05 | nsadmin | would that support your raid setup? |
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| 22:35.11 | LionKMP | and I can make the same partitions, install it, etc, this is great. I'll have a fully working /boot . |
| 22:35.18 | action09 | hi i'm installing lenny on my Acer Aspire one, referring to the wiki, what wm can you recommend, i think on lxde or fluxbox.. any clue please ? |
| 22:35.19 | action09 | thanks |
| 22:35.39 | LionKMP | nsadmin: no, I mean, just for partitioning, oh, I don't even need if I install Debian anyway, I can use installer for partitions. |
| 22:35.40 | LionKMP | great |
| 22:35.48 | LionKMP | let's find out which debian is this |
| 22:36.15 | LionKMP | 5.0.3 |
| 22:36.27 | LionKMP | according to /etc/debian_version |
| 22:36.28 | nsadmin | action09 try one and see... |
| 22:36.48 | nsadmin | LionKMP so that's lenny |
| 22:37.06 | action09 | nsadmin i'm not awar of new wm it's why i'm asking some name if i can get some new/light ones :) |
| 22:37.28 | nsadmin | if you're just installing now, just pick one |
| 22:37.31 | simNIX | if you wanna try fluxbox and lxde then maybe try those and maybe add openbox maybe and xfce (asumnig your going for light wait) |
| 22:37.35 | nsadmin | later you can install more |
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| 22:43.20 | DogBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.28 | DogBoy | http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/20-most-nimble-and-simple-x-window.html |
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| 22:45.37 | action09 | DogBoy ok thanks :) thanks too nsadmin |
| 22:46.02 | DogBoy | my favorite is ratpoison action09 |
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| 22:46.24 | action09 | DogBoy never heard of that :) thanks i'm going to search right now |
| 22:46.39 | LionKMP | thanks all! I'm downloading the installer and will try tomorrow. |
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| 22:47.04 | DogBoy | action09, this is a good article if you're into lite weight: http://freshmeat.net/articles/the-antidesktop |
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| 22:47.47 | action09 | DogBoy exactly my aim :) thanks |
| 22:47.55 | DogBoy | good luck |
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| 22:48.33 | mikael_l | Hi everyone, is there a Debian-ppc channel around? |
| 22:48.52 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 22:49.07 | nsadmin | it's either here or at irc.debian.org |
| 22:49.08 | mikael_l | found it... debian-ppc.... |
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| 22:49.11 | mikael_l | ;) |
| 22:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | That's nice. Reboot and I have no sound or wifi. Should linux-modules-2.6.26-2-686 show as installed in dpkg? |
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| 22:50.43 | hochron | should I edit /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 22:50.51 | hochron | how can I edit the entries in grub? |
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| 22:52.22 | macrobat | hochron: you dont edit the automagic part |
| 22:52.42 | macrobat | it will be overwritten by grub-update |
| 22:53.11 | hochron | hmmm, can I comment out the additional entries? |
| 22:53.26 | macrobat | add your own stuff after automagic list |
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| 22:54.15 | macrobat | grub-update (or is it update.grub) reads the singly commented # lines |
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| 22:54.43 | macrobat | the ## comments say what the # comments do |
| 22:55.07 | hochron | hmmmm, the automatic entries are at the end right? ok I think I get it... maybe not |
| 22:55.24 | jhutchins_lt | Has knetworkmanager changed how it expects interfaces to be listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:55.35 | macrobat | if you install / remove kernels, entries will be handled by grub-update |
| 22:56.08 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Changed in what way? |
| 22:56.17 | hochron | ok |
| 22:56.22 | hochron | thanks |
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| 22:56.26 | macrobat | :) |
| 22:56.58 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: The Squeeze behaviour is a little different from Lenny, but that's about NetworkManager itself, not the KDE GUI thereto. It's to do with whether n-m handles pluggable interfaces, I think... I found some stuff out aboutit while googlin. |
| 22:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Changed as in I rebooted and now it says "no active devices" and I don't have wifi. |
| 22:57.46 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 22:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | iwconfig sees the inteface. Lenny. |
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| 22:58.00 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:58.06 | lenswipe | GDM is running somewhat erratically for me |
| 22:58.09 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 22:58.19 | lenswipe | when it fails at boot i get asked if i want to view the x server output |
| 22:58.30 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:58.35 | lenswipe | when i select "YES" i get presented with a blank screen with an "OK " at the bottom |
| 22:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/f15f528ed |
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| 23:00.12 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: can you start X manually? |
| 23:00.23 | lenswipe | whats the command do that? |
| 23:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: X |
| 23:00.35 | lenswipe | ok |
| 23:00.37 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: I would expect NetworkManager not to manage wlan0 or eth0 with that /etc/network/interfaces configuration... |
| 23:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to quit. |
| 23:00.51 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Yet it was. |
| 23:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: What do I want instead? |
| 23:01.50 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: that produces "-bash: x: command not found" |
| 23:01.55 | lenswipe | oh nvm |
| 23:02.01 | lenswipe | i tried a capital x |
| 23:02.02 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: X not x |
| 23:02.03 | nsadmin | Xx |
| 23:02.05 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: What are you trying to achieve? If you want NetworkManager to manage your interfaces, comment the stanzas out of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:02.06 | cast | 'startx' |
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| 23:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Entirely? |
| 23:02.18 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Yes |
| 23:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: THen, what, restart network manager? |
| 23:02.37 | nsadmin | well just X to test x configuration |
| 23:03.02 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Actually, that should work, I just checked /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 23:03.14 | mikael_l | Is there a working update-manager on Debian-KDE? |
| 23:03.27 | PerfDave | mikael_l: What do you mean by "update-manager"? |
| 23:03.43 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: im just hanging on a black screen right now |
| 23:03.48 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: You can restart at any time with "/etc/init.d/network-manager restart"; /var/log/daemon.log is where NetworkManager logs, and it's pretty verbose particularly at startup. |
| 23:03.54 | lenswipe | but then im supposed to be installimg samba too so.. |
| 23:03.55 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Do you have a cursor? |
| 23:03.58 | lenswipe | no |
| 23:03.58 | mikael_l | like in the gnome install you receve notifications when there are updates |
| 23:04.00 | lenswipe | just black |
| 23:04.09 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: No icon now. |
| 23:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Network manager not starting. |
| 23:04.31 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: What does the logfile say? |
| 23:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Ctrl-Alt-BkSp |
| 23:04.37 | lenswipe | ok |
| 23:04.40 | lenswipe | oh wait |
| 23:04.41 | lenswipe | nvm |
| 23:04.43 | lenswipe | i just got a cursor |
| 23:04.43 | PerfDave | mikael_l: That appears to be a package called "update-manager", which you can install. |
| 23:04.48 | lenswipe | a black X with a white border |
| 23:04.51 | lenswipe | i think its gonna work :D |
| 23:04.52 | mikael_l | aaaah |
| 23:04.56 | mikael_l | =) |
| 23:05.12 | lenswipe | so yeah i can run X manually |
| 23:05.16 | lenswipe | its just at boot when it fails |
| 23:05.34 | lenswipe | anyone got any thoughts on that> |
| 23:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: It says I have wlan0, but no icon. |
| 23:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | If I run it in KDE I get "no network device found". |
| 23:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | wlan0 is present but not associated. |
| 23:06.49 | lenswipe | OH. MY. GOODNESS! |
| 23:06.54 | lenswipe | That is sooo cool |
| 23:07.03 | lenswipe | i just installed samba and it imported all my users |
| 23:07.04 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: I think you're confusing network-manager, which is a daemon, with network-manager-kde which is a GUI app which talks to the daemon over something called dbus. |
| 23:07.13 | lenswipe | thumbs up to the debian developers |
| 23:07.15 | lenswipe | ubuntu doesnt do that |
| 23:07.24 | lenswipe | 200/10 for that one |
| 23:07.42 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Can you paste the output of /var/log/daemon.log after restarting network-manager for me? |
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| 23:08.32 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: I'm'a try another shutdown-restart. |
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| 23:09.12 | PerfDave | slaps jhutchins_lt |
| 23:09.24 | PerfDave | slaps jhutchins too assuming it's the same person |
| 23:09.32 | PerfDave | slaps jelly-home while he's going through the j's |
| 23:10.04 | jhutchins | I installed vlc and libdvdcss, rebooted and spang, no wifi, no audio (xine) |
| 23:10.36 | jhutchins | CIFS VFS server not responding on shutdown. |
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| 23:11.01 | vinc456 | Is there a default directory or package for "system sounds"? |
| 23:11.11 | jhutchins | PerfDave: Have un-commented the stanzas in interfaces and changed eth0 to allow-hotplug |
| 23:11.49 | PerfDave | jhutchins: You shouldn't need to reboot. |
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| 23:11.53 | vinc456 | I would like to play some beeps for notification and am looking for something like .wav files Windows sometimes has. |
| 23:12.13 | PerfDave | vinc456: KDE comes with a bunch of standard sounds for notifications; I assume Gnome has something similar. |
| 23:12.36 | Tired | slaps PerfDave - slap and be slapped... |
| 23:12.59 | lenswipe | ok guys |
| 23:13.03 | lenswipe | can someone help me out with xorg |
| 23:13.05 | jhutchins | Hm. Now it's trying to bring up wlan0 on boot instead of waiting for KDE. |
| 23:13.07 | lenswipe | i can start xorg manually |
| 23:13.22 | lenswipe | and i have a black X on my screen which moves with the mouse but nothing else appears to be happening |
| 23:13.31 | lenswipe | and Xorg fails at boot time |
| 23:13.43 | jhutchins | lenswipe: It's probably not X that's failing then. |
| 23:13.48 | PerfDave | lenswipe: Get out of X with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, and type "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" as root at the console - what happens? |
| 23:14.07 | adb | lenswipe, is xorg + gdm installed ? |
| 23:14.10 | jhutchins | lenswipe: and/or the next step is startx as a normal user and see if it starts. |
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| 23:14.24 | jhutchins | adb: or xdm, or kdm. |
| 23:14.25 | lenswipe | jhutchins, something is happening now |
| 23:14.30 | Tired | !tell vinc456 -about apt-file |
| 23:14.35 | lenswipe | ive got the GNOME rotating circle |
| 23:14.54 | adb | jhutchins, or xinit .. |
| 23:14.55 | jhutchins | PerfDave: knetworkmanager is still saying no devices. |
| 23:15.13 | lenswipe | this is going as root btw so.. |
| 23:15.16 | PerfDave | jhutchins: Ignore knetworkmanager, what does /var/log/daemon.log say? |
| 23:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | Yep, still no network device found. |
| 23:15.45 | PerfDave | jhutchins: Your wireless interface shows up in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 23:16.02 | lenswipe | yeah GDM is working |
| 23:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | iwlist will scan. |
| 23:16.14 | PerfDave | jhutchins: Your wireless interface shows up in "ifconfig -a"? |
| 23:16.15 | vinc456 | I found it using locate .wav. They are a lot in /usr/share/sounds/ |
| 23:16.16 | vinc456 | Thanks |
| 23:16.37 | Tired | vinc456, hm, you might perhaps more look for things on your system... that'll be more dlocate /msg dpkg dlocate - just go "dlocate wav" |
| 23:16.38 | Tired | ah |
| 23:16.41 | Tired | slow :) |
| 23:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | It seems that it's just knetworkmanager, or networkmanager. |
| 23:17.12 | Tired | vinc456, dlocate will also show you which package they belong to... you might use the ones from KDE |
| 23:17.20 | lenswipe | whats the next step now GDM is working? |
| 23:17.26 | lenswipe | how to i make sure it works at boot time? |
| 23:17.30 | Tired | ... or gnome (which I don't see right now) |
| 23:18.03 | vinc456 | Neat, very handy. Thanks for the tips |
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| 23:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Yes, it shows up in ifconfig as implied by the fact that I can see it in iwconfig and iwlist. |
| 23:19.51 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: What's the output of NetworkManager in /var/log/daemon.log after you restart it? |
| 23:21.04 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: For example, I get this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m3c37e384 |
| 23:21.06 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: It looks like it's trying to get DHCP on wlan0, but wlan0's not associated. How much of what of daemon.log do you want? |
| 23:21.17 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 23:21.17 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Look at what I pasted :) |
| 23:21.27 | PerfDave | lenswipe: What happens when you try to log into gdm? |
| 23:21.35 | lenswipe | PerfDave: it works |
| 23:22.05 | nsadmin | lenswipe: first try /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 23:22.17 | lenswipe | nsadmin: yeah that works |
| 23:22.22 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: restarting network manager |
| 23:22.26 | nsadmin | ok, try rebooting |
| 23:22.31 | lenswipe | ok |
| 23:22.40 | lenswipe | ive intiated a gdm login so lemme wait to get logged in |
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| 23:22.49 | lenswipe | do i reboot from gdm or command line? |
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| 23:22.52 | lenswipe | or does it matter? |
| 23:22.59 | nsadmin | shouldn't matter |
| 23:23.05 | nsadmin | a reboot is a reboot |
| 23:23.41 | nsadmin | it should shut it down properly then have the machine reboot |
| 23:23.46 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 23:24.54 | jhutchins_lt | http://debian.pastebin.com/d48c69720 |
| 23:25.24 | nsadmin | lenswipe so is it doing that? |
| 23:26.03 | lenswipe | nsadmin: i just ctrl+alt+backspaced out of GDM |
| 23:26.11 | lenswipe | then i typed "reboot" in terminal |
| 23:26.18 | lenswipe | and now its booting up again |
| 23:26.28 | lenswipe | its just uncompressing the kernel right now i thin |
| 23:26.30 | lenswipe | think* |
| 23:26.33 | lenswipe | its kinda slow to boot |
| 23:26.34 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:26.43 | lenswipe | VERY slow |
| 23:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: If you don't see anything obvious I think I'll just leave it until tomorrow, it's beer:30 here. |
| 23:26.53 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Hmm, that looks like a fairly typical network manager startup to me - it's loading up and getting a DHCP lease on eth0 |
| 23:26.56 | nsadmin | why? |
| 23:27.06 | lenswipe | nsadmin: no idea... |
| 23:27.15 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 23:27.19 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Ah well, thanks for the effort. |
| 23:27.23 | lenswipe | intel P4 hyperthread |
| 23:27.25 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: Are you running Squeeze by any chance? |
| 23:27.35 | lenswipe | and like 512RAM |
| 23:27.38 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: No, straight stable lenny |
| 23:27.39 | PerfDave | jhutchins_lt: No matter, you said Lenny already :) |
| 23:27.47 | jhutchins_lt | l8r |
| 23:27.54 | PerfDave | Tata, enjoy your beer. |
| 23:28.29 | nsadmin | what arch is the kernel |
| 23:29.01 | lenswipe | dunno, how do i find out? |
| 23:29.03 | nsadmin | sometimes you can get that if the kernel arch is i486 |
| 23:29.10 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 23:29.20 | lenswipe | see heres the thing |
| 23:29.37 | lenswipe | when i got the machine it was running windows 2000 with hyperthreading disabled |
| 23:29.50 | lenswipe | and ive heard that hyperthreading can cause problems on OSes that arent compatable with it |
| 23:29.55 | lenswipe | could that be the issue? |
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| 23:30.07 | nsadmin | about it beign slow? no idea |
| 23:30.17 | lenswipe | does debian support hyperthreading? |
| 23:30.31 | nsadmin | no idea |
| 23:30.34 | lenswipe | hmm |
| 23:30.39 | JPT | hyperthreading is a cpu feature |
| 23:30.48 | cthuluh | the linux kernel does support it |
| 23:30.49 | PerfDave | lenswipe: It's not about Debian, it's about Linux - I'm pretty sure Linux disables HT due to security concerns. |
| 23:31.11 | lenswipe | right, so mebbe if i disabled hyperthreading in the BIOS it might speed things up... |
| 23:31.18 | JPT | probably |
| 23:31.21 | bzrk | PerfDave: which security concerns? |
| 23:31.25 | cast | running debian, with HT right now |
| 23:31.45 | JPT | hyperthreading will only help applications that are using multithreading...it won't help that much |
| 23:31.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | P4HT? should show as another core |
| 23:32.09 | PerfDave | bzrk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading#Security and http://www.daemonology.net/hyperthreading-considered-harmful/ ? |
| 23:32.31 | cast | JPT: eh...even single threaded apps can increase in speed |
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| 23:33.32 | JPT | i don't think so... the kernel will give away cpu time... having two virtual cores or one single core will not change things |
| 23:33.37 | bzrk | PerfDave: oh that old thing |
| 23:33.52 | JPT | an objective benchmark would be nice right now |
| 23:33.59 | JPT | i don't have any experience with HT |
| 23:34.07 | cast | JPT: when HT first came out there were plenty of benchmarks |
| 23:34.15 | JPT | yeah... |
| 23:34.41 | JPT | but afaik, the results were that applications that are able to split work into pieces are better off than usual ones |
| 23:36.18 | cast | you have to remember that there's an OS running as well as an application |
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| 23:38.11 | JPT | yeah |
| 23:38.20 | JPT | the linux kernel can be optimized in different ways |
| 23:38.31 | JPT | so this might result in performance increase |
| 23:39.06 | JPT | but actually, the cpu is "emulating" 2 cores... thus causing a sight loss in performance and less cpu cycles per virtual core |
| 23:39.17 | JPT | sight/ slight* |
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| 23:40.39 | JPT | so a fair benchmark would be: P4 without HT on optimized kernel vs P4HT on optimized multicore kernel |
| 23:42.21 | cast | we don't have seperate SMP kernels anymore |
| 23:42.34 | JPT | hmm |
| 23:42.47 | JPT | err... |
| 23:43.11 | JPT | wasn't there something in make menuconfig that allowed to choose smp support and a certain cpu type... |
| 23:43.49 | JPT | checks |
| 23:43.59 | cast | was talking about debian |
| 23:44.20 | lenswipe | by the way guys |
| 23:44.25 | lenswipe | my debian box is still booting |
| 23:44.30 | lenswipe | it hasnt reached the GDM stage yet |
| 23:44.34 | cast | naturally you could compile linux anyway you like, or any other kernel you like, but then it becomes irrelevent to us :P |
| 23:44.48 | lenswipe | it just started GDM but GDM hasnt appeared onscreen yet |
| 23:44.53 | JPT | "Symmetric multi-processing support" or "Multi-core scheduler support" <-- this is what i was refering to |
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| 23:45.12 | lenswipe | ah here we go |
| 23:45.12 | jhutchins | Wierd, shutdown hung just after CIFS, but when I popped the DVD out it completed. |
| 23:45.44 | lenswipe | guys GDM still aint working |
| 23:45.54 | jhutchins | I'm gonna see if it boots without the DVD. |
| 23:45.54 | lenswipe | i get that X server failled to start |
| 23:45.59 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 23:46.01 | JPT | lol..nice... there's also a "SMT (Hyperthreading) scheduler support" |
| 23:46.03 | lenswipe | im at my wits end with this |
| 23:46.10 | nsadmin | it was working before, yes? |
| 23:46.14 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Yet you know GDM _IS_ working, it's just not starting up automatically. |
| 23:46.25 | lenswipe | right.... |
| 23:46.26 | JPT | i'll head to bed now. good night :) |
| 23:46.26 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Let me guess, you're not running Lenny/Stable. |
| 23:46.33 | lenswipe | huh? |
| 23:46.50 | lenswipe | im running the lenny netinstall i got from debian.org |
| 23:47.00 | jhutchins | Still failing dhcp on wlan0 on boot. |
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| 23:47.32 | lenswipe | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 23:47.36 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Ok, a lot of people install testing or unstable and then are suprised when it doesn't work. |
| 23:47.38 | lenswipe | i got my debian install from there |
| 23:48.01 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Testing/Unstable are newer versions of Debian. |
| 23:48.04 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r |
| 23:48.06 | lenswipe | i know |
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| 23:48.22 | lenswipe | nsadmin: is that comment addressed to me? |
| 23:48.32 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 23:48.36 | lenswipe | ok lemme check |
| 23:48.47 | lenswipe | do i run that command as root? |
| 23:48.54 | nsadmin | or as anyone |
| 23:48.55 | adb | ... |
| 23:48.58 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 23:50.43 | lenswipe | damn this machine is slooooow |
| 23:50.55 | adb | troll |
| 23:51.36 | lenswipe | nsadmin: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:52.02 | nsadmin | oh, ok, that's the one I would have picked |
| 23:52.22 | lenswipe | :p |
| 23:52.53 | nsadmin | be glad it isn't a 486 kernel... |
| 23:53.08 | lenswipe | why? |
| 23:53.18 | nsadmin | you'd still be booting now |
| 23:53.21 | lenswipe | oh |
| 23:53.21 | lenswipe | lol |
| 23:53.30 | nsadmin | well probably |
| 23:53.33 | lenswipe | well its just the kernel that came with debian |
| 23:57.09 | lenswipe | so.. |
| 23:57.14 | lenswipe | how do i get GDM working? |
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