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| 00:00.54 | simonrvn | by getting x working usually, ig you haen't edited its own configuration. |
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| 00:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude -f install didn't do anything, but dpkg-reconfigure -a might be doing some good. |
| 00:02.59 | nsadmin | lenswipe does X work? |
| 00:03.07 | lenswipe | only if i manully starting |
| 00:03.15 | lenswipe | only by manually starting it* |
| 00:03.39 | nsadmin | and does /etc/init.d/gdm start work? |
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| 00:04.06 | nsadmin | after this, going out... |
| 00:04.41 | lenswipe | yeah that works |
| 00:04.53 | lenswipe | it just fails catastrophically at boot |
| 00:05.12 | nsadmin | does the machine get you to a login prompt? |
| 00:05.20 | adb | lenswipe, is xorg installed ? |
| 00:05.25 | lenswipe | adb: yes |
| 00:05.35 | lenswipe | nsadmin: you mean when GDM is running? |
| 00:05.38 | lenswipe | or after GDM fails |
| 00:05.52 | nsadmin | at any time after boot |
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| 00:06.00 | lenswipe | yeh |
| 00:06.04 | lenswipe | why |
| 00:06.20 | nsadmin | ok, so it's not catastrophic; it is booting properly |
| 00:06.26 | lenswipe | i guess |
| 00:06.26 | nsadmin | just not starting gdm |
| 00:06.34 | lenswipe | i dont mean catastrophic in the computer sense |
| 00:06.50 | lenswipe | i mean catastrophic in the "BIG MASSIVE ERROR SAYING ITS BROKEN" sense |
| 00:06.51 | lenswipe | :p |
| 00:06.54 | nsadmin | you mean catastrophic in the haiti sense? |
| 00:07.03 | jhutchins | Oooh, that's nice, hald is hanging now. |
| 00:07.13 | lenswipe | nsadmin: ouch |
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| 00:08.01 | nsadmin | hang on to nearby.... oops, that's crumbling... so hang on to that blade of grass... |
| 00:08.28 | lenswipe | something like that |
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| 00:08.53 | nsadmin | is said BigMassiveError in your dmesg? |
| 00:09.32 | lenswipe | i got a thing on my screen saying X SERVER FAILED TO START |
| 00:09.34 | lenswipe | that kind of thing |
| 00:09.51 | nsadmin | so look at output of dmesg |
| 00:09.57 | nsadmin | is the message there? |
| 00:10.23 | lenswipe | dmesg? |
| 00:11.19 | nsadmin | try running it |
| 00:11.49 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:12.49 | nsadmin | anyway if the message is in there, then pastebin the output of it |
| 00:13.03 | nsadmin | is out awhile |
| 00:13.24 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 00:28.07 | bododo | hi guys! :) |
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| 00:28.38 | bododo | I'd like to automatically start gnu/screen whenever I start urxvt, is this doable? :) |
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| 00:30.15 | PerfDave | bododo: You could probably do it in the startup files for your shell... |
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| 00:30.23 | underline | anyone knows when debian sid should fix gnome dependencies and get udisk and upower packages ? |
| 00:30.26 | PerfDave | bododo: And it's "GNU screen", not "GNU/screen" :) |
| 00:30.36 | PerfDave | underline: WIR; SIYH |
| 00:30.50 | underline | PerfDave: ?? |
| 00:30.53 | tensorpudding | if you did it for the shell though, it would start gnu screen every time you opened a login shell, not just for urxvt |
| 00:31.15 | jhutchins | bododo: I would recommend against doing that. |
| 00:31.24 | jhutchins | bododo: You can get into some nasty situations. |
| 00:31.27 | bododo | PerfDave: thanks! I actually used to do it in my .zshrc |
| 00:31.41 | bododo | but I hated the behavior |
| 00:31.49 | PerfDave | underline: When it's ready; sooner if you help :) |
| 00:32.03 | bododo | just as tensorpudding said |
| 00:32.23 | underline | PerfDave: what can I do to help then |
| 00:32.26 | underline | ? |
| 00:32.29 | bododo | I actually use ratpoison and start urxvt automatically when I start X |
| 00:32.35 | underline | PerfDave: which packages need attention ? |
| 00:32.47 | bododo | but I'd like screen to be started with urxvt |
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| 00:33.41 | jhutchins | Oooh, that's not good. Power out in the midst of dpkg-reconfigure -a. |
| 00:33.42 | jhutchins | Crud. |
| 00:33.49 | PerfDave | underline: Check bugs.debian.org, ask #debian-gnome on OFTC? |
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| 00:35.03 | PerfDave | bododo: Start "urxvt -e screen" |
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| 00:35.39 | KukMan | I have this http://pastebin.ca/1771451. How can I install 2.7-18 version? |
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| 00:35.52 | bododo | PerfDave: ah! that'd do it? reading the man! :) |
| 00:36.10 | PerfDave | bododo: I just tried it :) |
| 00:36.36 | bododo | yay! It worked! Thanks :) |
| 00:36.36 | PerfDave | bododo: That'll start a new screen session for each terminal which may not be what you want though. |
| 00:36.53 | benedikt | Im burning a couple of jpg files to a cd that are meant to be played in a TV thorugh a dvd player. The dvd player displays black instead of pictures, so i figured it must have something to do with the strange camera it is taken on or that the pictures are imported with a windows computer (either of them isnt complying with a standard). |
| 00:36.59 | bododo | meh, I actually need one single terminal :) |
| 00:37.13 | benedikt | So i need to loop thought the files and re-save as "proper" jpg. What utility can achive this. |
| 00:37.27 | Tired | mogrify? |
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| 00:38.06 | Tired | test with "convert" 1st, though, mogrify re-saves into the same file |
| 00:38.09 | acidslep | the strangest thing is happening to my sound system |
| 00:38.13 | Tired | (both are part of imagemagick) |
| 00:38.27 | Tired | you sure it ain't just the 2nd strangest? |
| 00:38.28 | acidslep | it is broken by flashplayer. running alsaconf is the only way i have gotten it to work again |
| 00:38.43 | KukMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.51 | acidslep | tired, i would not be surprised, i have had very strange things happen to my old ide drives in laptops |
| 00:39.10 | benedikt | Tired: resaving isnt a problem. i have the pictures on two places. |
| 00:39.25 | PerfDave | KukMan: That would be a downgrade from the version you have installed. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 00:39.39 | acidslep | veeery strange. anyways, flash breaks my sound. i have exhausted my knowledge trying to locate the problem, and my frustration is only underscored by lack of flash internet radio. |
| 00:39.52 | acidslep | where would one start to locate the source of this BULLSHIT |
| 00:40.06 | PerfDave | acidslep: I'd start by looking at Flash, it's a heap of junk :) |
| 00:40.12 | Tired | acidslep, in the browser? |
| 00:40.12 | acidslep | agreed |
| 00:40.21 | acidslep | maybe reinstall the flash module? |
| 00:40.28 | acidslep | i don't think it changes. |
| 00:41.30 | acidslep | flash makes sounds for a variable amount of time |
| 00:41.38 | acidslep | then my sound BREAKS and will not work for anything |
| 00:42.15 | PerfDave | acidslep: Sounds like some kind of conflict between whatever Flash is using for sound (OSS?) and a sound daemon (ESD / aRts / whatever) on your desktop maybe. |
| 00:42.30 | acidslep | Hahah, fuck EsD! |
| 00:42.34 | acidslep | thanks, ill check it out |
| 00:43.29 | Tired | acidslep, try running whatever plays flash with "aoss <program>", too |
| 00:43.44 | Tired | ... as you don't answer what <program> is |
| 00:45.00 | acidslep | iceweasel, but i don't think it matters. |
| 00:45.06 | acidslep | fuck my sound is broken again |
| 00:45.28 | Tired | anyway, try the aoss wrapper on iceweasel... |
| 00:45.44 | Tired | (it forces use of the alsa devices instead of the oss emulation) |
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| 00:48.20 | acidslep | great |
| 00:48.57 | acidslep | same thing. it works for a couple seconds then breaks my sound driver. i think. but i can not make a single beep now. |
| 00:49.26 | KukMan | PerfDave, I try install build-essential |
| 00:49.30 | PerfDave | Tired: /usr/bin/iceweasel is actually a launcher script which tries to autodetect what sound system you're using and work accordingly. |
| 00:49.38 | KukMan | but it has broken dependiens - libc6-dev |
| 00:49.50 | KukMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.56 | Tired | PerfDave, I noticed I don't seem to need it anymore... thought it wouldn't hurt to try, though |
| 00:50.06 | KukMan | if I install 2.7.18, another packages requires 2.7.18lenny2 |
| 00:50.17 | Tired | run "aptitude update"? |
| 00:50.47 | benedikt | Tired: did you say "mogrify -convert"? |
| 00:50.52 | Tired | no |
| 00:50.58 | Tired | I said mogrify |
| 00:51.05 | KukMan | Tired, this is doens't help( |
| 00:51.14 | KukMan | maybe sources.list wrong? |
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| 00:52.09 | Tired | well, paste the full error and your sources.list into a pastebin (if you don't know one, for the urls of a couple of them, /msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 00:53.29 | benedikt | Tired: didnt think so, nothing about convert in the manpage. my script is on its way now. thanks. |
| 00:54.40 | KukMan | Tired, |
| 00:54.41 | KukMan | http://pastebin.ca/1771469 |
| 00:54.45 | Tired | benedikt, convert is another program, which will write to a 2nd file... and can not only change the image, but also... well, convert... like in: convert dog.jpg dog.png |
| 00:55.29 | benedikt | Tired: mogrify replaces the file, even more convinient for me. |
| 00:55.55 | benedikt | im just doing "mogrify filename.jpg", hopefully that will fix the jpg issues. |
| 00:56.43 | Tired | benedikt, well, checked with one? |
| 00:57.09 | acidslep | im impossibly frustrated with nothing |
| 00:57.16 | acidslep | flash breaks my sound, no matter what. |
| 00:57.17 | benedikt | im going to burn them all at once, i dont have all too many empty cd's right now. |
| 00:57.48 | Tired | did you check mogrify fixes them for you? |
| 00:58.11 | benedikt | my computer displays the pictures just fine. its the dvd player that is acting up on me. |
| 00:58.15 | Tired | KukMan, that's a weird mix of repositories |
| 00:59.24 | KukMan | two last reposoriest is not affect |
| 00:59.39 | KukMan | this problem was before repositories was added |
| 00:59.47 | Tired | benedikt, hm, compare one image that it can play with one it can't |
| 00:59.58 | Tired | in a moment I'll have remembered what you can compare them with |
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| 01:00.46 | benedikt | haha.. well they look identical (as expected). The script is halfway though now. Ill burn them when its finished and see if it works. |
| 01:01.15 | Tired | benedikt, might be something like amount of colors |
| 01:02.03 | benedikt | well, its finished. So ill see in a few minutes |
| 01:03.19 | Tired | benedikt, which is not hard to change, but normally not touched... |
| 01:03.25 | benedikt | wow.. cd burnes have gotten fast. i remeber when a 4x thing seemed like a rocket. |
| 01:05.00 | NiLon | 2 hour burning operation only to see failed burn <3 |
| 01:05.12 | Tired | the joys of technology |
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| 01:07.17 | Tired | KukMan, add 'http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages' to your sources.list |
| 01:07.30 | Tired | that might actually be it... if not, it's still useful |
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| 01:07.51 | KukMan | ok. thx |
| 01:08.49 | Tired | having weird stuff like that ubuntu repository doesn't really help either |
| 01:10.38 | benedikt | Tired: it worked in an excellent matter. this made my dad happy. thanks a bunch man. |
| 01:10.59 | Tired | did it also halve the size of the jpegs? |
| 01:11.00 | Tired | :) |
| 01:11.19 | benedikt | no sizes and everything are the same |
| 01:11.40 | benedikt | has porbably lost a little quality as jpg does when you resave it, but its no like it is noticable. |
| 01:11.55 | Tired | not necessarily |
| 01:12.14 | Tired | it's actually not losing quality, if you save with the same blocksize |
| 01:12.28 | Tired | although... for that you have to know what the blocksize is :) |
| 01:12.44 | Tired | it might not have touched that, though |
| 01:13.25 | benedikt | i have no idea. although i am an amateur photographer. i just dont like to get cought up in techincal limitations. other amateur photographers that do that tend to get stuck at thinking about gear and not so much about shooting. |
| 01:13.38 | benedikt | i dont see any quality loss on these pictures. |
| 01:14.02 | Tired | just saying... there might not be one |
| 01:14.22 | benedikt | i dont see any. not even at 100% zoom |
| 01:15.11 | KukMan | Tired, security.debian.org fully replaces mirror.yandex.ru? |
| 01:18.40 | Tired | no |
| 01:18.53 | Tired | it's an additional server for security updates |
| 01:19.30 | Tired | looks to me like you got some security updates because it's a recent install or so, but lack the repository |
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| 01:24.34 | acidslep | tired, i fixed it |
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| 01:25.13 | Tired | \o/ |
| 01:25.42 | acidslep | if flash player kills your sound, follow these instructions: 1. remove current sound chipset. (if integrated remove mainboard) 2. destroy offending hardware with small hammer 3. get diffrent hardware |
| 01:25.53 | acidslep | works perfect. |
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| 01:27.47 | Tired | can you use a big hammer if it's the only one around? |
| 01:28.17 | q_a_z_steve | hey, quick question: I want to use XCOPY from windows, to verify as I move. What is the equivalent, any ideas? |
| 01:28.20 | acidslep | Probably, I only did extensive testing with ballpeen hammer and wood artisan hammer. but i would guess you can use whatever. |
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| 01:31.53 | SerajewelKS | why would changes i make to LD_LIBRARY_PATH in my ~/.profile not be inherited? |
| 01:32.03 | SerajewelKS | changes i make to PATH and a myriad of other variables stick, but not LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 01:33.45 | Baloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.43 | SerajewelKS | Baloo: the sftp client or the sftp protocol? |
| 01:34.51 | Baloo | dealer's call |
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| 01:36.19 | SerajewelKS | Baloo: they are different things. the client itself is responsible for changing permissions. the sftp protocol will write data out on the other end with default ownership. |
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| 01:37.30 | simonrvn | it has to be explicitly set all the time IME (LD_LIBRARY_PATH). |
| 01:37.49 | Baloo | OK, well, how can I preserve ownership and permissions? Ultimately, I'm trying to clone one system to another system that's going to replace it. |
| 01:38.16 | Tired | q_a_z_steve, moves on the same partition don't actually touch the contents of files... apart from that: none as such - even something like "cp x y; diff x y;" won't work reliably, as small files could still be in memory and not read from disk at all |
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| 01:38.37 | Tired | SerajewelKS, you didn't export them or .profile wasn't read |
| 01:38.45 | SerajewelKS | Tired: wrong on both counts |
| 01:38.57 | Tired | well, youse arsked |
| 01:39.08 | Tired | that's the 2 things that can be |
| 01:39.28 | SerajewelKS | Tired: according to a bug report i found googling, there is a third option |
| 01:39.36 | Tired | oh? and that is? |
| 01:40.06 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: it seems it is getting "unset" for "security reasons" -- which is entirely ludicrous. i can't imagine how else i'm supposed to set up an alternate prefix in my home. |
| 01:40.51 | simonrvn | the thing would have to built that way, or you make a wrapper - more experienced people could answer this better. |
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| 01:41.05 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: it makes sense that this variable would get lost when i su, but not when i log in... :/ |
| 01:41.31 | simonrvn | export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:/some/lib/path" |
| 01:41.35 | Tired | SerajewelKS, works for me in ~/.bash_profile |
| 01:41.40 | jmarsden | Baloo: You might consider tar-ing up a pile of files, piping the tar over SSH or whatever to the new machine and untarring. tar archives include file uid, gid and mode info which is restored when you use the -p option to tar at time of restore. |
| 01:41.56 | SerajewelKS | Tired: yeah, that's what google suggests too. unfortunately, .bash_profile is not read by gdm when i log in. .profile is. |
| 01:42.10 | SerajewelKS | Tired: which means that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is available only to apps i run from bash |
| 01:42.15 | Tired | I don't have a .profile, so... |
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| 01:42.39 | simonrvn | .bash_profile would be read in if .profile doesn't exist, no? |
| 01:42.41 | yq | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 01:42.48 | yq | What do I need to apt to get the module? |
| 01:42.56 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: by gdm? not that i'm aware of. |
| 01:42.59 | simonrvn | !nidswrapper |
| 01:43.03 | simonrvn | !ndiswrapper |
| 01:43.04 | dpkg | NDISwrapper is a way to wrap Windows XP drivers so they can be used in Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your device, first consider that instead, for wireless LAN ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. 16-bit PC Card (PCMCIA) devices are not supported. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:43.17 | simonrvn | yq: ^^^ |
| 01:43.18 | Tired | !speling |
| 01:43.18 | dpkg | spelling is quantitative; not qualitative |
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| 01:43.26 | yq | Ta |
| 01:43.26 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 01:44.28 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: it's not *entirely* ludicrous (plaid, extreme,... ;) 'cause you can do rather nasty things with it. |
| 01:45.06 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: of course, but it's annoying to have my operating system second guess me when i know damn well what i'm doing :( |
| 01:45.21 | q_a_z_steve | Tired: moving to another harddrive actually |
| 01:45.27 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 01:45.40 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: (which, incidentally, is why i use linux in the first place...) |
| 01:46.16 | Tired | q_a_z_steve, any special reason why you want additional checks? |
| 01:46.52 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure if there's any other file that will be read by X when i log in |
| 01:46.59 | Tired | .xinitrc? |
| 01:47.01 | SerajewelKS | and by read i mean executed |
| 01:47.12 | SerajewelKS | Tired: i think i tried that one and it didn't appear to do anything |
| 01:47.15 | Baloo | jmarsden, what is the easiest way to pull that off? Tar is generally confusing to me. |
| 01:47.23 | q_a_z_steve | Two words: whole harddrive |
| 01:47.25 | Tired | it does... just not really what you need in this case |
| 01:47.33 | q_a_z_steve | Tired: ^^ |
| 01:47.42 | SerajewelKS | these newfangled desktop thingies seem intent on not letting me set environment variables for them |
| 01:48.05 | SerajewelKS | Tired: as in i don't think it was executed at all. or if it was, it was in a subshell. |
| 01:49.14 | Tired | yes, it's obviously forking new for each entry |
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| 01:49.25 | Tired | else it'd replace the running X |
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| 01:50.47 | jmarsden | Baloo: If tar is confusing to you, play with it a little and read its man page! To xfer a pile of files from one machine to another using tar to retain that kind of info, I'd try something like tar cf - /path/to/original/directory |ssh user@othermachine "(cd /newpath/to/new/directory && tar xfp - )" |
| 01:51.07 | SerajewelKS | well everything i can find on google suggests that LD_LIBRARY_PATH has stopped working in ~/.profile sometime around 2007 |
| 01:51.33 | Tired | what program(s) do you need to change it for? |
| 01:51.35 | SerajewelKS | across pretty much every distro |
| 01:51.43 | SerajewelKS | Tired: a parallel mono install in ~/usr |
| 01:52.19 | Tired | how many executables are we talking about there? |
| 01:52.40 | SerajewelKS | why? |
| 01:53.05 | Baloo | ssh or sftp, jmarsden? |
| 01:54.18 | nsadmin | Baloo: a tar can be a stream of bytes... so anything that can carry a stream (like ssh) will work with tar |
| 01:54.24 | Baloo | OK |
| 01:54.36 | nsadmin | try this |
| 01:54.41 | nsadmin | mkdir a b |
| 01:54.54 | Tired | for i in mono*; do mv $i $i.ori; echo -e "#!/bin/sh\nexport LD_LIBRARY_PATH=sumthin; exec $i.ori \"$@\""> $i; done |
| 01:54.55 | jmarsden | Baloo: ssh. sftp move sfiles itself. You *could* tar cf mytarfile.tar /path/to/original/dir and then use sftp to move that whole tar file to the new box and then cd /path/to/new/dir && tar -xfp /path/to/mytarfile.tar over there if you really wanted to, but I'd use ssh. |
| 01:54.59 | nsadmin | put like three files, copy them, into a |
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| 01:55.37 | nsadmin | then run this: (cd a; tar cfp - .) | (cd b; tar xfp -) |
| 01:55.55 | SerajewelKS | Tired: hmm, that's an interesting idea... |
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| 01:56.38 | Tired | SerajewelKS, wrappers aren't unusual... |
| 01:56.47 | nsadmin | Baloo: this produces a stream: (cd a; tar cfp - .) |
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| 01:57.06 | nsadmin | this consumes a stream: (cd b; tar xfp -) |
| 01:57.14 | SerajewelKS | Tired: no, not at all. i'm just hoping there's a cleaner and more permanent solution for when i install other things in the prefix |
| 01:57.18 | Tired | SerajewelKS, not sure I got the double-quoted " right, though |
| 01:57.46 | Tired | SerajewelKS, you could enter it in /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 01:58.36 | nsadmin | then you'd run ldconfig -v |
| 01:58.40 | Tired | SerajewelKS, the wrapper *is* the clean solution, as it'd mean you don't execute all system programs as well with your bogus custom libraries |
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| 01:59.14 | SerajewelKS | Tired: i *want* my prefix to override the system's libraries |
| 01:59.31 | Tired | which normally leads to problems 1-5 years later when nobody know what you did and some poor fool without a clue has to figure out why all programs segfault or so |
| 01:59.50 | Tired | SerajewelKS, you don't really want that for, say, /bin/ls |
| 01:59.55 | SerajewelKS | Tired: well considering that it's on my laptop, i'm not that worried about documenting it |
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| 02:00.12 | Tired | been there, done that... |
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| 02:01.58 | Baloo | jmarsden, so am I sshing from the machine to be cloned? |
| 02:02.18 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: seems that enough processes that gdm spawns between itself and my desktop are setuid/setgid that they unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 02:02.55 | simonrvn | not surprising |
| 02:03.22 | jmarsden | Baloo: Do it whichever way round you prefer! My example was done assuming you type it on the original machine. |
| 02:03.31 | Baloo | OK |
| 02:05.02 | Baloo | What's with "file changed as we read it?" |
| 02:05.59 | Baloo | oh, wait, doing it wrong. |
| 02:06.01 | Baloo | lemme try again |
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| 02:08.01 | Buginator | Anyone know what can cause the caps & scroll lock LEDs flash on the keyboard, with a flashing "_" being displayed on screen means? |
| 02:08.14 | Buginator | err to flash* |
| 02:10.26 | Tired | the illuminati or al quaida conquered your pc! |
| 02:10.35 | Buginator | heh |
| 02:11.04 | Tired | could be some weird way for the motherboard to signal something is wrong |
| 02:11.10 | Tired | that's normally doing beep-codes, though |
| 02:13.45 | pinkisntwell | i've got a compaq cq60, can someone help me disable me touchpad? i've been trying to do that for ages |
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| 02:14.20 | Buginator | I would suggest a hammer, but I don't think you meant that kind of disable? ;) |
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| 02:14.26 | pinkisntwell | Buginator: no |
| 02:15.38 | Tired | it's work reliably, though! |
| 02:15.53 | pinkisntwell | Tired: thanks |
| 02:16.42 | Tired | try apt-get remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 02:16.46 | pinkisntwell | i'm convinced there is no way to disable it |
| 02:16.49 | rumpsy | I'm facing problem while configuring wiresless connection for this laptop,! , my router WA3002g4, i donno how to configure, the steps to connect i donno, |
| 02:16.57 | macrobat | just disable touchpad while typing? |
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| 02:17.19 | pinkisntwell | macrobat: i can't disable it at all |
| 02:17.25 | Tired | pinkisntwell, ^^^ |
| 02:17.27 | pinkisntwell | macrobat: let alone while typing |
| 02:17.28 | rumpsy | This is Debian, Etch OLD STABLE |
| 02:17.29 | JDiMatteo | hi, I've noticed a .dpkg-bak file on my system, what does a .dpkg-bak file extension means? |
| 02:17.30 | macrobat | just open the puter up and disconnect the cable |
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| 02:17.55 | pinkisntwell | Tired: i'm trying it now Tired |
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| 02:17.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm attempting to run "debmirror --progress --nosource --host=ftp.us.debian.org --method=ftp --dist=lenny --section=non-free --arch=i386 ~/Desktop/Mirror/" and it says that there is no public key found. What does that mean and how do I fix that? |
| 02:17.58 | macrobat | it may be a zif contact, was on mine |
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| 02:18.36 | pinkisntwell | Tired: do i need to restart x for this to take effect? |
| 02:18.37 | bikcmp | Hello, I have a quick question: something is taking up a huge amount of my ram on my server, but I don't know what it is. What command can assist me? |
| 02:19.00 | Tired | pinkisntwell, make sure you're not uninstalling all of X because you're removing a metapackage, though (if you don't know what that is, /msg dpkg metapackage) |
| 02:19.11 | Tired | pinkisntwell, I'd think so... it's loaded on start by X |
| 02:19.19 | peterrooney | JDiMatteo: probably means dpkg was interrupted. |
| 02:19.28 | pinkisntwell | Tired: it says it removed xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 02:19.34 | pinkisntwell | Tired: is that bad? |
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| 02:20.16 | macrobat | bikcmp: htop |
| 02:20.28 | JDiMatteo | peterrooney: thanks! do you know of any documentation describing a dpkg-bak? I'd like to get rid of this dpkg-bak thing properly, but I'm not sure how |
| 02:20.42 | macrobat | also you migt want to read http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
| 02:20.44 | Tired | pinkisntwell, only if you're also removing one of the other modules which are in use out of: xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-input-kbd, xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
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| 02:21.08 | pinkisntwell | Tired: ok i tried restarting X but it still works |
| 02:21.16 | pinkisntwell | Tired: any other ideas? |
| 02:22.07 | bikcmp | macrobat: htop not found |
| 02:22.10 | bikcmp | where would I find it? |
| 02:22.12 | bikcmp | apt? |
| 02:22.13 | Tired | it can't without xserver-xorg-input-synaptics! |
| 02:22.20 | Buginator | bikcmp, how about just top ? |
| 02:22.24 | Tired | it's the module with makes it run |
| 02:22.25 | macrobat | top works |
| 02:22.26 | bikcmp | yup apt worked |
| 02:22.40 | pinkisntwell | Tired: well guess again. i told you i think it's impossible. i've already tried renaming all the synaptics drivers |
| 02:22.44 | bikcmp | list it in like memory highest? |
| 02:22.46 | macrobat | aptitude install htop, you will like it better, i guess |
| 02:22.50 | pinkisntwell | Tired: now i uninstalled the package and it still works |
| 02:23.20 | macrobat | F3 to sort by, chose mem |
| 02:23.38 | macrobat | sry, F6 |
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| 02:23.58 | pinkisntwell | Tired: it's like nothing has changed. there is a button over it that supposedly turns it off but it does nothing. the led changes color but the touchpad still works. it's driving me fucking crazy, i can't work like this |
| 02:24.01 | JDiMatteo | how can I remove a dpkg-bak properly? I'm sort of a newbie, and I've never delt with dpkg directly (I usually use Synaptic Package Manger), but I can't seem to find anything related to dpkg-bak... the dpkg-bak file is an executable which isn't what I thought a dpkg was for |
| 02:24.21 | bikcmp | they all say .6 :/ |
| 02:24.54 | Tired | pinkisntwell, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (the most recent of /var/log/Xorg.*.log) what happens at startup |
| 02:25.17 | bikcmp | Doesn't look like its helping much |
| 02:25.18 | bikcmp | :/ |
| 02:25.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone with debmirror use experience? |
| 02:25.38 | bikcmp | 512 mb for a web server is WAY to high |
| 02:25.54 | pinkisntwell | Tired: (**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad" |
| 02:26.08 | macrobat | bikcmp: its shared and cached memory |
| 02:26.33 | macrobat | did you read the link? |
| 02:26.34 | Tired | pinkisntwell, it can't if it's not there, though |
| 02:26.54 | pinkisntwell | Tired: what do you mean it can't? i'm telling you what's written there |
| 02:26.58 | peterrooney | JDiMatteo: where is this file located? also, what happens when you run `apt-get --recon dist-upgrade' in a terminal? |
| 02:27.13 | bikcmp | http://pastebin.com/d645e1d0a |
| 02:27.16 | Tired | inckie, ** means from config file, though - you can also edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf (possibly have to create one with X -configure) |
| 02:27.26 | macrobat | bikcmp: does "free" show any swap space used? |
| 02:27.38 | Tired | err, s/inckie/pinkisntwell / |
| 02:27.44 | bikcmp | none |
| 02:27.48 | bikcmp | swap 0 |
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| 02:27.54 | bikcmp | make some swap space? |
| 02:28.02 | Tired | but that shouldn't matter if it's not there |
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| 02:28.20 | bikcmp | how would I make swap? |
| 02:28.20 | bikcmp | ;lol |
| 02:28.28 | pinkisntwell | Tired: my xorg.conf had no references to touchpads. i added some myself to try and remove it. do you think removing them again will help? |
| 02:28.50 | Tired | what version of debian is that, btw? |
| 02:28.51 | peterrooney | JDiMatteo: dpkg-bak files are usually intermediate backups of configuration files. basically, if a pre-install script or post-install script is interrupted, things may not have been cleaned up properly. |
| 02:29.02 | pinkisntwell | Tired: lenny |
| 02:29.24 | Tired | and what does ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/ say? |
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| 02:30.17 | JDiMatteo | peterrooney: the file is under '/etc/init.d'. apt-get --recond dist-upgrade shows a bunch of output about 22 packages being upgraded |
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| 02:30.23 | pinkisntwell | Tired: evdev_drv.so kbd_drv.so mouse_drv.so synaptics_drv.so.renamed.so.it.doesnt.drive.me.crazy wacom_drv.so |
| 02:30.36 | bikcmp | make some swap space? |
| 02:30.39 | pinkisntwell | Tired: note that i have renamed the driver |
| 02:30.40 | macrobat | bikcmp: "mkswap", you can make a swap file, you then "swap on" |
| 02:30.40 | bikcmp | how would I make some? |
| 02:30.42 | bikcmp | ah |
| 02:30.43 | pinkisntwell | Tired: a long time ago |
| 02:30.49 | JDiMatteo | peterrooney: so I guess I should look at the install script or maybe just delete the files and move on |
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| 02:30.50 | Tired | remove it, you just uninstalled it |
| 02:30.53 | rumpsy | Hey guys, am i in queue |
| 02:30.53 | bikcmp | macrobat: mkswap /swap/SWAP |
| 02:30.55 | bikcmp | swap on?? |
| 02:31.00 | macrobat | bikcmp: maybe you dont need it |
| 02:31.10 | bikcmp | hm |
| 02:31.13 | bikcmp | but adding wouldn't hurt? |
| 02:31.23 | macrobat | swap on, swap off, bikcmp-san |
| 02:31.24 | bikcmp | and might reduce memory? |
| 02:31.30 | bikcmp | bikcmp-san? |
| 02:31.31 | bikcmp | lol |
| 02:31.46 | pinkisntwell | Tired: ok but it won't make any difference anyway, since it was renamed anyway |
| 02:31.49 | JDiMatteo | rumpsy: I don't think there is a queue |
| 02:31.58 | macrobat | bikcmp: maybe you dont need swap |
| 02:32.05 | bikcmp | hmm |
| 02:32.12 | bikcmp | How can i reduce memory usage? |
| 02:32.15 | bikcmp | I don't have a lot of mem |
| 02:32.58 | DEbiansqueeze | what desktop are you using |
| 02:32.59 | peterrooney | JDiMatteo: before removing them, try running `apt-get update && apt-get --recon dist-upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade ' ## if there's a problem, apt is good at (i) fixing it, or (ii) telling you what needs to be done to fix it. |
| 02:33.04 | macrobat | memory is cached and shared |
| 02:33.31 | DEbiansqueeze | there is xfce and icewm |
| 02:33.32 | JDiMatteo | peterrooney: thanks for the help! I'll give that a shot |
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| 02:33.49 | pinkisntwell | anyway, does anyone have any good suggestions about covering the fucking touchpad with something that will stop it working? i tried paper but it still works |
| 02:33.53 | bikcmp | macrobat: how would I reduce mem usage? |
| 02:34.21 | macrobat | bikcmp: you close some running programs |
| 02:34.40 | bikcmp | I have very little open, thats kinda the issue |
| 02:34.44 | JDiMatteo | pinkisntwell: I use an external keyboard when the touchpad really annoys me |
| 02:34.46 | macrobat | or limit access to your server |
| 02:34.46 | bikcmp | i have like NOTHING Open |
| 02:34.47 | bikcmp | lol |
| 02:34.53 | bikcmp | macrobat: 0 clients |
| 02:35.01 | bikcmp | macrobat: litrally, one webserver running |
| 02:35.04 | bikcmp | just plain HTML. |
| 02:35.12 | pinkisntwell | JDiMatteo: i'm probably gonna have to do that. but it would take too much space... |
| 02:35.30 | DEbiansqueeze | bikcmp what desktop are you using? |
| 02:35.47 | bikcmp | I'm on my netbook atm |
| 02:35.48 | bikcmp | :) |
| 02:35.50 | JDiMatteo | pinkisntwell: I hate my friggen touchpad too! |
| 02:35.52 | bikcmp | running ubuntu |
| 02:36.02 | bikcmp | with a SSH to my server |
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| 02:36.39 | pinkisntwell | JDiMatteo: haven't you managed to disable it? |
| 02:37.17 | JDiMatteo | pinkisntwell: you'd be surprised at how few are the things I've managed to do/// |
| 02:37.23 | macrobat | man mkswap, make a swap file then use it with swapon |
| 02:37.32 | bikcmp | macrobat: me? |
| 02:37.49 | pinkisntwell | JDiMatteo: well if you've got a CQ60 forget about disabling it |
| 02:38.13 | DEbiansqueeze | use a usb key as swap |
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| 02:38.34 | pinkisntwell | JDiMatteo: i've been trying to disable it for about a month. i've talked to over 20 people, nobody knows how to disable it. |
| 02:38.45 | macrobat | DEbiansqueeze: haha, on a server? swap over the network? :) |
| 02:39.15 | macrobat | its like downloadmoreram.com |
| 02:39.34 | DEbiansqueeze | ah i thought his laptop was out of memory |
| 02:40.14 | macrobat | pinkisntwell: why disable it? |
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| 02:41.20 | JDiMatteo | macrobat: the classic "why would you want to do the thing you are having trouble doing" -- I use that trick for my job all the time, lol |
| 02:41.44 | rumpsy | yes, i'm in queue, still waiting answer for that question |
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| 02:42.06 | hdcase | it beats me why any version of ubuntu will detect my monitor max resolution, and debian won't at all |
| 02:42.10 | PovAddict | hello world |
| 02:42.22 | macrobat | JDiMatteo: why do you hate your touchpad? |
| 02:42.51 | PovAddict | I just booted into Debian after a week on vacation and I can't login to X, because every keypress gets counted three times in kdm |
| 02:43.32 | PovAddict | it's very possible I changed something in Xorg.conf and didn't restart X or reboot since then so I didn't get to see the consequences :) |
| 02:43.50 | hdcase | PovAddict, I had that problem with xubuntu...wrong keyboard layout detected |
| 02:44.03 | PovAddict | hmm |
| 02:44.11 | PovAddict | I remember this: |
| 02:44.13 | macrobat | PovAddict: does it? or doesit echo three stars for every keypress in the pw |
| 02:44.19 | JDiMatteo | macrobat: there are many subjective reasons, I'll try to explain a few: 1) I like my eraser head thing on the keyboard better, 2) the trackpad messes up my typing (even when it is supposedly disabled while typing), 3) dragging things around with my trackpad seems awkward, 4) I just irrationally hate trackpads... |
| 02:44.22 | hdcase | I am considering going back to ubuntu 9.04, since Debian will only give me 800x600 |
| 02:44.24 | PovAddict | macrobat: tested in username field |
| 02:44.31 | PovAddict | macrobat: I press 'a', it types 'aAa' |
| 02:45.01 | macrobat | ok |
| 02:45.01 | Tired | oh, he's gorn |
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| 02:45.28 | PovAddict | hdcase: I remember I upgraded X, and it started to use US layout on start, and I had to change it to latam from KDE config; so I changed Xorg.conf to explicitly ask for latam |
| 02:45.41 | hdcase | I guess debian is a server system for geeks, it's not a desktop system for human beings |
| 02:45.46 | macrobat | hdcase: threats? :) |
| 02:45.58 | macrobat | troll elsewhere |
| 02:46.03 | PovAddict | hdcase: it can be a desktop system for geeks too |
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| 02:46.26 | hdcase | macrobat, I used to love debian. I was hoping to find some help |
| 02:46.32 | hdcase | google has no answers |
| 02:46.42 | macrobat | have you asked a question, hdcase ? |
| 02:47.09 | hdcase | xorg.conf will not help me at all getting my monitor resolution to go to 1440 x 900 |
| 02:47.14 | PovAddict | good software can be free; for good support, I hear Canonical sells some |
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| 02:47.53 | PovAddict | I'm asking for help in this channel *knowing* I can't demand satisfaction :) |
| 02:48.31 | JDiMatteo | its hard to support software -- lol, I do it for a living and it sucks! |
| 02:49.05 | macrobat | PovAddict: maybe you can kill kdm and stop it from respawning, then set a layout |
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| 02:49.25 | Arrowmaster | are you on squeeze? |
| 02:49.32 | PovAddict | I am |
| 02:49.34 | JDiMatteo | I'd better go now... |
| 02:49.38 | hdcase | in my experience, debian people don't offer help...they expect you to find it yourself and laugh if you can't, lol |
| 02:49.49 | Tired | best way |
| 02:50.00 | JDiMatteo | hdcase: just rtfm, jk, lol, bye |
| 02:50.03 | Tired | it's educational |
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| 02:50.07 | Arrowmaster | ive heard of others having issues with the Xorg update in squeeze in the last week |
| 02:50.09 | PovAddict | macrobat: I'm IRCing from irssi from tty1, I can safely "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" after changing config |
| 02:50.22 | Tired | !fire |
| 02:50.22 | dpkg | Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life. |
| 02:50.29 | PovAddict | Arrowmaster: well I have been mostly inside swimming pools in the last week |
| 02:51.05 | hdcase | I wonder if switching to Xfce or KDE would detect my resolution |
| 02:51.06 | Arrowmaster | i noticed it was wanting to remove console-setup so i havent updated to the new Xorg yet |
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| 02:51.07 | macrobat | hdcase: trolling will get your resolution up, so much faster. you havent providen any info on gfx card for example |
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| 02:51.12 | hdcase | macrobat, that's because I have a crappy onboard card |
| 02:51.23 | rumpsy | This command is not working for me in ETCH, ifconfig? |
| 02:51.27 | PovAddict | hdcase: resist the temptation to rant about how much things suck (eg. Debin support) |
| 02:51.39 | macrobat | console-setup was replaced by somthing better iirc |
| 02:51.42 | Arrowmaster | rumpsy: its a root only command |
| 02:51.50 | PovAddict | hdcase: (or my typing :D) |
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| 02:52.03 | PovAddict | rumpsy: define "not working" |
| 02:52.04 | rumpsy | Arrowmaster: when i say, /sbin/ifconfig its working |
| 02:52.15 | PovAddict | ok then it's all working as it should |
| 02:52.17 | Arrowmaster | macrobat: yeah well the update wasnt installing anything new so i was worried |
| 02:52.25 | PovAddict | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.41 | Tired | hdcase, go back to ubuntu by all means |
| 02:52.46 | PovAddict | lol |
| 02:53.01 | rumpsy | PovAddict: ? |
| 02:53.14 | PovAddict | "?" what? |
| 02:53.36 | rumpsy | PovAddict: no, as Arrowmaster said, its a root command |
| 02:53.46 | Arrowmaster | are you root? |
| 02:53.50 | Tired | /sbin is only in roots path |
| 02:53.53 | PovAddict | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:54.32 | rumpsy | i used , su, and used that ifconfig, it showed everything |
| 02:54.40 | PovAddict | using full path to /sbin/ifconfig will work (although obv. you can only see info, not modify; non-root can't change network config :P) |
| 02:54.42 | hdcase | voice an honest complaint and debian people get cranky, sheesh |
| 02:54.49 | delaman | i can not get php to load up the php mysql.so module on a debian-lenny,,,,, i am using lighttpd and php5.2.6-1,,, any ideas |
| 02:54.50 | hdcase | goes off to try kde |
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| 02:55.12 | macrobat | hdcase: bai |
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| 02:55.13 | PovAddict | delaman: how did you install php, mysql, and the php-mysql module? |
| 02:55.18 | Arrowmaster | hdcase: because all you did was complain without even providing any details about what was wrong |
| 02:55.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do I get the public key to be able to use debmirror for Debian? I dont know much about keys. |
| 02:55.30 | PovAddict | delaman: I assume/hope you got all three from Debian repositories? |
| 02:55.41 | delaman | PovAddict: of course |
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| 02:55.54 | PovAddict | delaman: php5-mysql package? |
| 02:56.01 | Tired | hdcase, kde or xfce have nothing to do with your resolution |
| 02:56.02 | hdcase | Arrowmaster, an onboard graphics card with no downloadable drivers available, an xorg file that no changes will help the resolution with |
| 02:56.04 | delaman | PovAddict: can i PM a link to the test() |
| 02:56.07 | rumpsy | so, right now i'm using wired network i my laptop, i want to enable wireless network, and i'm stuck with that, i donno how to configure it |
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| 02:56.23 | Arrowmaster | hdcase: you didnt even say what the onboard card is |
| 02:56.46 | Tired | hdcase, it's something that's up solely to X |
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| 02:57.26 | rumpsy | when i say, iwconfig, it says, no wireless extension :( |
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| 02:57.48 | delaman | PovAddict: that did it i was missing php5-mysql |
| 02:57.49 | Tired | Arrowmaster, of course not... or post his /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf... enabling other people to actually help you is uncool and just interferes needlessly with the bitching |
| 02:57.53 | delaman | PovAddict: thakns |
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| 02:57.56 | PovAddict | np |
| 02:57.59 | PovAddict | upgrades X stuff |
| 02:58.07 | macrobat | rumpsy: maybe you need a driver? |
| 02:58.07 | rumpsy | PovAddict: ^^ |
| 02:58.15 | Tired | Arrowmaster, right, Right, RIGHT?! |
| 02:58.20 | Arrowmaster | right |
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| 02:58.30 | rumpsy | is there, anything like lshw? |
| 02:58.35 | echosystm | hi guys, anyone here running 5.0 on a core i7/i5? |
| 02:58.46 | rumpsy | to know about my wireless hardware |
| 02:58.47 | echosystm | im trying to find a motherboard that works 100% |
| 02:58.50 | rumpsy | lspci? |
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| 02:58.57 | Tired | !what's my wireless |
| 02:58.57 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
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| 02:59.23 | emorris | hi, just installed debian on this box, but it won't boot at all. looks like a kernel panic or something. this happens with other linux distros to, however i remember something having a failsafe option and using this it worked. Are there any boot parameters that I could add to fix it? |
| 02:59.24 | PovAddict | rumpsy: I know nothing about wireless on Linux |
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| 03:00.02 | PovAddict | Arrowmaster: just upgrading X seems to have worked |
| 03:00.11 | PovAddict | now gets the *other* updated packages |
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| 03:00.36 | rumpsy | PovAddict: anyway, thankyou for that website, i make a look that :) |
| 03:00.50 | PovAddict | what website? |
| 03:01.13 | PovAddict | I can't possibly have pasted a link, I don't have a working web browser (or clipboard) here :) |
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| 03:01.26 | rumpsy | sorry, that was, Tired :) |
| 03:01.43 | echosystm | anyone know how i can find compatible i7/i5 motherboards?? |
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| 03:01.56 | rumpsy | PovAddict: cli? |
| 03:01.56 | hdcase | found the card, nvidia GeForce 6150 LE |
| 03:02.05 | ed1t | does anybody know what this error mean? Xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (0x....) (Invalid Argument) |
| 03:02.18 | PovAddict | rumpsy: yes, but now I got my X to work properly |
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| 03:03.40 | rumpsy | oh :) |
| 03:04.13 | rumpsy | What browser you used in CLI? , Links2? |
| 03:05.07 | macrobat | !google i5 motherboard |
| 03:05.43 | ed1t | has anybody seen Xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer (0x....) (Invalid Argument) ? X is failing to start |
| 03:05.54 | rumpsy | i found my wireless interface, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
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| 03:07.27 | hdcase | holy crap, I found a linux driver for my pathetic graphics card, hooray! |
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| 03:15.00 | nsadmin | someone got a sample xen config file for a domU? |
| 03:15.36 | nsadmin | hdcase: cool! |
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| 03:16.17 | exes | I like post-down for interface configurations, but is there one for only when you down the interface via the CLI? |
| 03:16.40 | nsadmin | all my exes live in texas... which is why I moved to tennessee... |
| 03:16.44 | exes | heh |
| 03:17.42 | nsadmin | write a script that does ifdown whichever and then does your postdown |
| 03:18.05 | exes | good idea, crossed my mind... but was looking for something else |
| 03:18.43 | nsadmin | well that way the script doesn't have to sense whether it's being run from the shell |
| 03:18.55 | nsadmin | it's not easy to tell anyway |
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| 03:26.57 | LFC_fan | Can anyone guide me how to set RadeonHD driver in Debian Lenny? |
| 03:27.31 | ed1t | i have lenny installed right now, how do i upgrade to squeeze / |
| 03:27.32 | ed1t | ? |
| 03:29.03 | jmarsden | !tell ed1t about lennty->squeeze |
| 03:29.09 | jmarsden | !tell ed1t about lenny->squeeze |
| 03:29.47 | adb | !don't tell jmarsden to tell that ;) |
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| 03:31.42 | Tired | shouldn't that be !tell jmarsden not to !tell that? |
| 03:32.01 | arafangion | Tired: Semantics! |
| 03:32.39 | adb | Tired, seems better .. |
| 03:33.00 | Tired | also... |
| 03:33.13 | simonrvn | use dpkg: too with -> containing factoids not ! |
| 03:33.13 | Tired | !tell yourself to shut up |
| 03:33.31 | Tired | or use lennytosqueeze |
| 03:33.32 | simonrvn | (bug) |
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| 03:34.03 | Tired | !lennytosqueeze |
| 03:34.03 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. |
| 03:34.04 | Tired | worx! |
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| 03:35.22 | agroker | is there a way, to use the "dpkg-reconfigure" utility in order to reconfigure my network interfaces, I messed up badly and currently do not have eth connection, let alone wifi |
| 03:35.56 | simonrvn | no, because it doesn't use debconf. |
| 03:35.59 | jmarsden | agroker: Why not just edit /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:36.36 | agroker | jmarsden: because I have no idea about what to write there. for example, how can I decide whether my NIC is eth0 or eth1, or perhaps eth2? |
| 03:36.57 | LFC_fan | Any idea about setting up RadeonHD driver? |
| 03:37.14 | Tired | !radeonhd |
| 03:37.14 | dpkg | somebody said radeonhd was the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx (since version 1.2.2) family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd from Lenny. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:37.52 | LFC_fan | Actually I am following the wiki |
| 03:37.59 | LFC_fan | but get stuck here aptitude install firmware-linux |
| 03:38.10 | LFC_fan | which repos I have to enable for that package? |
| 03:38.27 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 03:38.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:39.07 | jmarsden | agroker: I'd suggest man 5 interfaces # and then create a nice simple DHCP or static setup for eth0. Do you really have 3 NICs on the machine? It would be rare for a machine to magically have only eth2... |
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| 03:39.55 | LFC_fan | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 03:39.57 | LFC_fan | deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 03:40.01 | LFC_fan | I've added these lines |
| 03:40.08 | LFC_fan | already |
| 03:40.12 | agroker | jmarsden:yes, man interfaces I'd lke to avoid ;-) I have only 1 NIC but for whatever reason it will appear under different names, and will not work like now |
| 03:40.14 | plugwash | jmarsden, I think you are a bit behind the times, udev defaults to giving every new card seen a new number even if old ones have been removed |
| 03:40.19 | exes | can you specify more than one env variable before a command? blah="blah" blah2="blah" command |
| 03:40.27 | plugwash | so if nics have been changed it's easy to end up with only a higher eth number |
| 03:40.32 | agroker | yes, udev |
| 03:40.32 | tarnzwerg | hi. I would like to try a tiling window manager. lenny with gnome. any recommendations? |
| 03:40.42 | _stack | hi I'm trying tracker-search-tool , is there something like spotlight under osx that lets you to search something from the tray without opening a new window ? |
| 03:40.49 | plugwash | and then there is the fun that happens when a nic doesn't have a stable mac address ;) |
| 03:40.51 | _stack | tarnzwerg: awesome could also be tiling |
| 03:40.59 | agroker | thanks anyway |
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| 03:41.12 | _stack | http://awesome.naquadah.org/ |
| 03:42.06 | jmarsden | plugwash: Could be... I'm definitely old, whether I'm sufficiently updated is therefore debatable :) I think I'd tend to clean out the ruleset in those circumstances... |
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| 03:42.09 | jmarsden | !70 |
| 03:42.10 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 03:42.19 | tarnzwerg | thx _stack, I'ml going reading and testing ;) |
| 03:43.33 | _stack | tarnzwerg: if you need some default and usable config , ask |
| 03:43.44 | jmarsden | So I'd guess that agroker could read that file to determine which ethN his card will become, or just dump the rules and it will become eth0 :) |
| 03:43.59 | agroker | jmarsden: I'll check it, thanks |
| 03:44.08 | jmarsden | agroker: You're welcome. |
| 03:45.28 | agroker | jmarsden: wow, in the file 70-persistent, I see all of them: eth0 to eth3 and wlan0, what man page should I read? |
| 03:45.49 | plugwash | you can also modify the rules to match on something other than mac which can be a good idea if your card doesn't have a stable mac |
| 03:46.29 | agroker | plugwash: how can I know my card does not have a stable MAC? run ifconfig everytime? can it be because in the past I played with macchanger? |
| 03:46.31 | jmarsden | agroker: Use lspci or lshw to see what MAC your current NIC has.. match with the relevant rule in the file to see what ethN it will be at the moment, or edit the file to make it be eth0 and delete the others... |
| 03:46.47 | agroker | jmarsden: oic, will do immediately |
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| 03:48.35 | User_007 | guys, i need help, i want to install jdownloader, i can run it, but i cant download any file. even http that i try before |
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| 03:49.34 | fluorine | huzzah! i just apt-updated to the testing repos, have 104 updates to install, and python2.6 is one of them! about time! |
| 03:49.36 | nsadmin | well hey, if you played with macchanger then (I guess) your mac changed... |
| 03:49.47 | Arrowmaster | User_007: try running it with the '-Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true' option |
| 03:50.00 | Arrowmaster | User_007: im guessing from the name its a java program |
| 03:50.09 | fluorine | 104 updates, 695KB will be freed, yes! |
| 03:50.50 | jmarsden | fluorine: What will you do with all that extra disk space? :) |
| 03:51.09 | nsadmin | he won't need that extra hd, that |
| 03:51.10 | adb | heh |
| 03:51.12 | nsadmin | s what! |
| 03:51.13 | fluorine | jmarsden: fractal-compressed porn! |
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| 03:51.43 | row | How does one get wget to download files to a directory other than the one it is being run in? |
| 03:52.06 | User_007 | Arrowmaster thank it worked |
| 03:52.08 | nsadmin | I'm guessing that if there is a way to do that, it's in man wget |
| 03:52.09 | fluorine | row: -O |
| 03:52.20 | row | fluorine: that only work for single file no? |
| 03:52.54 | jmarsden | row: worst case: (cd otherdir ; wget -m http://example.com ) |
| 03:52.58 | fluorine | row: at the risk of incurring nsadmin's wrath, i too will suggest `man wget` |
| 03:53.17 | row | jmarsden: yeah I was just trying to avoid that. I have read the man page hence me asking on irc could not find it :P |
| 03:53.31 | row | +fluorine |
| 03:53.32 | nsadmin | row: your conversation will be more interesting if you read the man page :) |
| 03:53.34 | row | I will just cd into dir |
| 03:53.44 | Arrowmaster | User_007: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560056 if you want more information of that issue |
| 03:54.07 | nsadmin | jmarsden's suggestion is interesting too... man bash to see what those parens mean |
| 03:54.49 | nsadmin | has a wrath?? |
| 03:55.06 | nsadmin | has a wrath!! I'll hang it on the door! |
| 03:55.27 | row | :P |
| 03:55.30 | fluorine | nsadmin: heh |
| 03:55.34 | fluorine | row: http://linux.die.net/man/1/wget |
| 03:55.56 | fluorine | row: prometheus-level hint: grep "prefix" |
| 03:56.43 | row | hmm how did I miss that, I must of been skimming a bit to much, ta. |
| 03:56.56 | row | +o |
| 03:58.33 | tarnzwerg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:58.51 | _stack | I can give you all my .config/awesome dir |
| 03:59.02 | tarnzwerg | would be great :) |
| 03:59.29 | _stack | you will need to adapt anyway to your needs btw |
| 03:59.41 | fluorine | python 2.6, so lovely. oh dear debian, how you spoil me... |
| 03:59.44 | agroker | I have my network back, thanks a lot, gentlemen |
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| 04:00.01 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 04:00.07 | tarnzwerg | of course. but having a working config to start with, should help |
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| 04:04.52 | hdcase | Arrowmaster, thanks for being grouchy before. I figured out nvidia and linux-headers and now am at max res :) |
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| 04:08.02 | hdcase | PovAddict, thanks for your help before too |
| 04:08.23 | PovAddict | looks like my keyboard layout is still quite messed up |
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| 04:08.52 | PovAddict | the Del key doesn't delete |
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| 04:09.16 | PovAddict | AltGr emits an Enter keypress apart from being a modifier for alphabetical keys |
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| 04:09.37 | hdcase | PovAddict, what's your keyboard and what layout did you choose? |
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| 04:09.56 | PovAddict | Page Up types a slash, and Page Down opens the context menu |
| 04:09.59 | echosystm | anyone knoe when the next debian will be out, roughly? |
| 04:10.08 | echosystm | im reading conflicting info |
| 04:10.12 | jmarsden | !wwsr |
| 04:10.12 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
| 04:10.20 | hdcase | echosystm, they are talking about reducing the development cycle |
| 04:10.21 | echosystm | right |
| 04:10.24 | PovAddict | !squeeze bet |
| 04:10.24 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 04:10.32 | echosystm | so, maybe 6 months after the freeze? |
| 04:10.41 | echosystm | or does the freeze actually = the release |
| 04:11.01 | PovAddict | !freeze |
| 04:11.01 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/ |
| 04:11.17 | PovAddict | so freeze != release |
| 04:11.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there any commands that I can use to print a list of all of the package names in the non-free repo for lenny in i386? So that I can use wget to download them and use aptoncd to put them all on DVD? |
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| 04:11.26 | echosystm | right, so the freeze starts in march |
| 04:11.26 | nsadmin | !fleas |
| 04:11.33 | echosystm | releases whenever its ready |
| 04:11.33 | hdcase | a code freeze is like cowboys laying down their six-shooters before going into a saloon |
| 04:11.34 | echosystm | ? |
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| 04:13.08 | jmarsden | hdcase: So after the freeze, the Debian developers all hit the bars and get drunk, but at least they won't kill anyone? :) |
| 04:13.43 | nsadmin | hopefully, after the freeze, things get warmer |
| 04:15.34 | hdcase | jmarsden, addiction to frozen-bubble can cause psychotic disturbance, I've heard |
| 04:16.44 | jmarsden | hdcase: Surely addiction to frozen-bubble implies a pre-existing psychosis? :) |
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| 04:17.43 | _stack | It's like addiction to guitar hero I think, a game to only play high |
| 04:17.54 | hdcase | jmarsden, the CIA made the bubbles, man...they conspired to make the bubbles with Bill Gates in order to bring down Kevin Mitnick...it's all a conspiracy |
| 04:18.05 | nsadmin | get a real guitar and really play :P |
| 04:18.10 | plugwash | does anyone know where there are any good extra level sets for frozen-bubble? |
| 04:18.16 | plugwash | completed the standard ones |
| 04:18.38 | _stack | nsadmin: it's not about playing |
| 04:18.44 | _stack | an instrument |
| 04:18.58 | _stack | it's some other sort of addiction and focus |
| 04:19.08 | PovAddict | guitar hero is Dance Dance Revolution with finger-pressed buttons instead of foot-pressed pads? |
| 04:19.17 | nsadmin | once you do it you'll never go back |
| 04:19.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | I need help with getting all of Lenny non-free on my hard drive so I can make a DVD for offline use. Please help? |
| 04:19.39 | hdcase | I did pretty well with Wii Rock Band |
| 04:19.45 | _stack | ok OT. |
| 04:19.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | i386 section only |
| 04:20.13 | nsadmin | playing guitar hero is like piano without white keys :) |
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| 04:20.30 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 04:20.46 | man_in_shack | anyone know why exactly udev 150-2 demands that CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED be disabled? |
| 04:20.51 | hdcase | LinuxGuy2009, whenever I download the whole lot it stuffs up on installing...usually net packages are best |
| 04:21.30 | plugwash | LinuxGuy2009, use debmirror |
| 04:21.41 | _stack | anyone knows if it is possible to use deskbar-applet somewhere else that gnome bar? |
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| 04:26.28 | plugwash | LinuxGuy2009, more specifically debmirror --host=ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org --dist=lenny --section=contrib,non-free --arch=<architectures you are interested in> <target directory> |
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| 04:27.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | plugwash: Yeah finally figured out "--ignore-release-gpg" at the end of the line keeps it from failing when the pgp key is missing. Woohoo! |
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| 04:27.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | gpg I meant |
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| 04:32.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | I wonder though can I run more than one terminal and run debmirror in each so I can download more than one file at a time or not? |
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| 04:37.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | plugwash: Do you know if single file download at a time is something that Ill have to live with or do you know of a way to let it download more than one at a time to use full bandwidth? |
| 04:37.56 | plugwash | it's probablly not a good idea having two instances of debmirror working on the same mirroring job at the same time |
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| 04:38.04 | PovAddict | why would you need to download more than one file to use full bandwidth? |
| 04:38.17 | PovAddict | that's usually only useful if you download from different servers |
| 04:38.39 | arafangion | In a word, trafficshaping. |
| 04:39.14 | plugwash | It's also IMO rude to server operators to use multiple connections at once for the same task |
| 04:39.35 | PovAddict | downloading from multiple servers ftw |
| 04:40.34 | arafangion | plugwash: I'm inclined to agree. |
| 04:40.44 | karlpinc | Not to mention you're likely bandwidth limited on the local end unless your with a University. |
| 04:42.53 | arafangion | karlpinc: That local bandwidth limitation can be less than the limitation on the server end, these days. |
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| 04:43.37 | karlpinc | Is there a "standard" lightweight gui cd music player for an underpowered system? Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 04:44.49 | karlpinc | arafangion: Ok. |
| 04:45.26 | _stack | cccd maybe? |
| 04:46.11 | karlpinc | _stack: Is it buggy? |
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| 04:49.02 | esaym | how do you print a range of pages? in kde4? looks like a bug: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2009-September/003922.html ? |
| 04:49.11 | PovAddict | karlpinc: if it is, report the bugs :) |
| 04:49.32 | _stack | karlpinc: probably |
| 04:49.58 | karlpinc | _stack: You've used it? |
| 04:50.06 | _stack | no |
| 04:51.10 | hdcase | I'm so glad I ditched ubuntu, now I gotta figure out fstab for adding an sda to mount |
| 04:51.32 | karlpinc | I'd prefer to try something based on personal recommendation from someone with experience using the app. Or has at least tried it once. |
| 04:52.06 | karlpinc | hdcase: Painless. If you know how to use less to read/search the man page. |
| 04:52.47 | karlpinc | What fat program is most popular for audio playback/output? |
| 04:52.50 | hdcase | karlpinc, cool, I need to get back into the habit of reading man/info |
| 04:53.04 | karlpinc | hdcase: "man less" ;-) |
| 04:53.58 | hdcase | karlpinc, vlc worked ok for me on a 700mhz pc with 512MB RAM |
| 04:54.22 | mike-burns | I need Xorg 1.6 (specifically, I need the display-port git branch of the Intel driver, which needs 1.6). What are my Debian options? |
| 04:58.15 | karlpinc | hdcase: Thanks. I will try it. |
| 04:58.38 | karlpinc | hdcase: (Although video is quite doubtful because I've got 48M of ram. :) |
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| 04:59.36 | karlpinc | mike-burns: backports.org, backport yourself, using pinning in apt (which is dangerous imo), use testing/sid and wait for it to showup or find the earlier options easier. |
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| 05:00.25 | mike-burns | karlpinc: Thanks. I didn't see it on backports so I'll try making my own. Can't be too hard, right! |
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| 05:02.16 | karlpinc | mike-burns: The debian wiki may also have suggestions (or some such). Would a newer kernel help or is everything in X? |
| 05:03.16 | mike-burns | Everything is in X; really, everything is in the display-port branch of xf86-video-intel in git. |
| 05:03.36 | mike-burns | I'll check the wiki, I bet there's some great docs on how to make a backport. |
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| 06:02.48 | gazelle | why does disabling pam break pubkey authentication on debian but not other distros |
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| 06:04.15 | LFC_fan | I am getting this error when trying to mount a partition "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume." |
| 06:04.24 | LFC_fan | I mean gnome-volume-manager |
| 06:04.59 | LFC_fan | Any solution? |
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| 06:08.40 | cafuego | Disabling pam probably means certain env vars aren't set, check auth.log I guess. |
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| 06:09.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the deal with debian-multimedia repository, is that stuff that may have legal issues associated with using them or something? |
| 06:09.35 | LFC_fan | yes LinuxGuy2009 |
| 06:09.47 | LFC_fan | in certain countries |
| 06:09.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | LFC_fan: Ok thank you. |
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| 06:11.09 | Tramp | gazelle: so you set "UsePAM no" in sshd_config and now pubkey auth is broken? Or what exactly do you mean be "disabling PAM"? |
| 06:11.19 | Tramp | s/be/by/ |
| 06:11.37 | LFC_fan | no idea about my above question? :/ |
| 06:12.10 | gazelle | tramp, yeah. i set usepam to no ;) |
| 06:12.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any other cool repos that I might want for offline use on DVDs? debian-multimedia i386 is only 356MB so Im using debmirror and aptoncd to make a CD/DVD of it. Are there any other big repos like that of cool stuff? |
| 06:12.55 | nvz | I just hooked up a 19" LCD to my netbook, how to I set it as the only display, preferably without restarting X. The Fn Key does nothing. I just did a ctrl+alt+backspace to kill and restart X to get it to work, but its doing clone which is 1) slowing the computer down, and 2) preventing me from being able to maximize windows |
| 06:13.18 | Tramp | gazelle: can't confirm your problem. Works fine for me. |
| 06:13.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Your laptop doesnt have a monitor toggle button? |
| 06:14.00 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: its not working, as I said in the question |
| 06:14.02 | Tramp | LFC_fan: can you mount it on the commandline? |
| 06:14.12 | LFC_fan | hmm lemme try |
| 06:14.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Are you using an external keyboard or not? |
| 06:14.41 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: I have one plugged in, yes but I'm obviously pressing the Fn key on the built in one |
| 06:15.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Im asking cause you can go in power options and set it to not suspend on lid close and to just shut off the built in monitor that way. |
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| 06:15.47 | LFC_fan | Tramp: Yes I can |
| 06:15.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: What netbook do you have? |
| 06:16.04 | nvz | Acer AspireOne |
| 06:16.09 | nvz | and it doesn't suspend on close |
| 06:16.14 | Tramp | LFC_fan: sorry then - it's apparently related to this volume-manager thing which I don't use |
| 06:16.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: which model? |
| 06:16.21 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: ZG5 |
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| 06:16.23 | LFC_fan | Hmm |
| 06:16.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: let me look around and see if theres a solution |
| 06:17.10 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: well I know of a solution, it just involves hacking the X config and restarting the server |
| 06:17.30 | Tramp | LFC_fan: how did you mount it on the cmdline? With a specified mount-command or relying on the fstab-entry? |
| 06:17.31 | nvz | I was looking for something less perminant as I recall there is some kinda command to just turn off LVDS |
| 06:18.06 | Tramp | s/specified/specific/ - i.e. stating device, mount-point and maybe fstype |
| 06:18.28 | Tramp | LFC_fan: what I mean is, maybe your entry in fstab is broken |
| 06:18.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Ok so your good then? |
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| 06:19.40 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: no, you just don't know the answer to my question.. cause you're far less experienced than me there is no way ACPI or power options will come close to having anything to do with this |
| 06:20.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Holy crap. Easy there. |
| 06:20.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Your on your own now. |
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| 06:20.59 | nvz | I've already got it set to not suspend and to blank the screen, that doesnt change the fact that its wasting resources drawing that buffer, and not allowing me to maximize windows because I got two screens one at 1024x600 and one at 1280x1024 displaying the same thing |
| 06:21.43 | LFC_fan | Tramp: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/temp1 |
| 06:21.47 | LFC_fan | just |
| 06:22.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | Wish i would have known about debmirror before and how easy it is to use. Love it. |
| 06:22.26 | Tramp | LFC_fan: do you have an entry for /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab? |
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| 06:22.54 | nvz | tries to wake the f' up and remember that damn command to manipulate displays |
| 06:22.56 | LFC_fan | Nope but is that needed? |
| 06:23.11 | LFC_fan | I think gnome-volume-manager works without fstab entry |
| 06:23.20 | LFC_fan | relying on HAL or something |
| 06:23.21 | nvz | ah.. its xrandr I believe |
| 06:23.26 | Tramp | LFC_fan: well - ok. There my wisdom ends :) |
| 06:23.34 | nvz | now I just gotta remember how to do it |
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| 06:26.06 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: I didn't mean to be so rude, you were trying to help.. but you were so f'n far off it wasn't even close to helping. I've been using debian and hanging here over 10 years, and I'm certified. The answer was xrandr --output LVDS --off, btw |
| 06:26.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: I would help figure it out but you have already decided I'm completely incompetent so...your on your own now. |
| 06:27.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im just gonna move on now. |
| 06:27.25 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: I didn't say you're completely incompetant, you're just trying too hard to solve issues you don't understand. I was telling you so that you will know in the future |
| 06:27.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Like I said your on your own. On to bigger and better things. |
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| 06:29.04 | nvz | whatever. I'm always on my own.. comes with the territory. I was just offering you the knowledge of the issue you were trying so hard to solve |
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| 06:30.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Im not trying to solve anything. No idea what your talking about. Lets move on now. |
| 06:32.21 | nvz | I'm passed it. xrandr --output LVDS --off, got me there. Which is why this window is now maximized and I can watch video without it lagging |
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| 07:09.23 | LFC_fan | sigh I am having weird movements while gaming with my mouse in Debian |
| 07:09.42 | LFC_fan | Does Logitech Mice give problems? |
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| 07:14.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I added a repo that installed new packages as upgrades, and I then removed that repo from my sources list is there a command to force the system to downgrade any packages that are installed and are not from that repo by looking at the version of that package? |
| 07:15.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Remove package versions not found in the official repos I mean. |
| 07:16.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | LFC_fan: I have a logitech USB optical mouse and its great. |
| 07:17.13 | LFC_fan | Well yeah |
| 07:17.24 | LFC_fan | but the problem is in Urban Terror alone |
| 07:17.35 | LFC_fan | really weird mouse movements |
| 07:17.56 | LFC_fan | Didnt get such problems when I used it earlier in other distros |
| 07:18.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | LFC_fan: It might be bad settings or package bugs. |
| 07:18.19 | LFC_fan | yeah I am wondering the same |
| 07:19.06 | LFC_fan | Since I am getting best gfx performance with Debian now, it would be a letdown to have these weird mouse problems |
| 07:19.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | LFC_fan: Plus you gota remember if you added software outside the official repos your not gonna get stuff thats fully tested. |
| 07:19.08 | LFC_fan | :\ |
| 07:19.25 | LFC_fan | yeah ofc |
| 07:20.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | LFC_fan: Yeah I know what you mean Doom3 and QW:ET and OpenArena play fast and smooth on my box. I was surprised how smooth and fast. |
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| 07:38.21 | mike-burns | I've gathered that Debian makes feature-based releases instead of time-based. Any guess on how close we are to squeeze being stable? (I bet this is on some Web page somewhere...) |
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| 07:41.34 | nvz | mike-burns: its on the release critical bugs page, and they aren't feature based.. debian releases happen when they are stable.. which I guess you could call feature based |
| 07:41.39 | nvz | !rc |
| 07:41.40 | dpkg | from memory, rc is <Release-Critical>, or Release Candidate, or "run commands": a filename extension convention used in Unix configuration files (e.g. .muttrc, .screenrc, .vimrc). |
| 07:42.15 | nvz | somewhere in there is the url to the release critical bugs.. http://bugs.debian.org/Release_Critical maybe |
| 07:42.47 | mike-burns | I'll Google for "debian release critical". Thanks for the pointer. |
| 07:42.59 | mike-burns | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 07:43.20 | nvz | mike-burns: yeah I just did the same thing, you beat me to it though.. heh |
| 07:43.46 | nvz | mike-burns: the faster those bugs are closed, the faster it releases |
| 07:44.00 | mike-burns | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/stable.html - these are release-critical bugs for stable, but that doesn't make sense right? Stable is already released. |
| 07:44.02 | nvz | mike-burns: get together all your friends, hold a bug squishing party :-P |
| 07:44.16 | mike-burns | Ha, none of my friends run Debian. |
| 07:44.28 | nvz | then you got shitty friends |
| 07:45.10 | mike-burns | I've been saying that for years. But they all run FreeBSD, which makes them better than friends who run Debian, to me. |
| 07:46.02 | nvz | I tried to mess with FreeBSD once but the fact that their installer never reached a logical ending point caused me to run through it about 6 times before I realized I just had to take the disc out and reboot |
| 07:46.55 | mike-burns | Heh, yeah. The installer had some work done recently. This is my first week on Linux; been on FreeBSD for 12 years or so. Quite different, it turns out. |
| 07:47.00 | Baloo | What about Debian/FreeBSD? |
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| 07:47.13 | mike-burns | Baloo: Oh now that just confuses everything. |
| 07:47.18 | Baloo | It exists! |
| 07:47.29 | mike-burns | Indeed, indeed. |
| 07:47.46 | Baloo | I mean, if I were going to run FreeBSD, that's how I would do it, mostly because I /know/ Debian |
| 07:48.07 | nvz | the debian installer reaches an end, and installs a boot loader, ejects the disc and reboots. at the time I tried it I think it was like FreeBSD 4.3, it never did any such thing |
| 07:48.22 | mike-burns | I feel like Debian is great because of Linux, and FreeBSD is great because of how it's organized; merging them would only remove the great parts of both. |
| 07:48.51 | mike-burns | I was pretty impressed when the Debian installer ejected the disk before rebooting. |
| 07:49.39 | nvz | my experience with it was the freebsd installer never gives you any hint that you just installed the OS |
| 07:49.51 | Baloo | I wouldn't pass judgment on Debian/FreeBSD until you try it. |
| 07:49.57 | mike-burns | Baloo: Fair point. |
| 07:49.59 | nvz | just behaves like an endless loop you're suppose to know when its done |
| 07:50.22 | mike-burns | nvz: Yeah, it wasn't friendly. Kind of a hazing. |
| 07:50.35 | mike-burns | Debian has this IRC channel as hazing, FreeBSD has the installer ... |
| 07:50.39 | tensorpudding | the debian/kfreebsd install process was surprisingly nice given that it's not really stable |
| 07:51.15 | nvz | mike-burns: well anymore, we have debian, not the other way around.. debian has OFTC.. they want nothing to do with the likes of us anymore.. we're assholes |
| 07:51.17 | DogBoy | I got a server that's rebooting but I mounted an nfs share from that server, how do I remount the share on my desktop without rebooting? |
| 07:51.22 | Baloo | I'd argue that the mailing list has it's moments, too, but folks are more likely to set a score rule in their mailer than they are to set an /ignore in irc |
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| 07:52.19 | tensorpudding | it looks almost exactly like freebsd while booting |
| 07:52.55 | tensorpudding | except for the whole grub thing |
| 07:53.20 | mike-burns | Does it use /etc/rc.d, or /etc/init.d? |
| 07:54.15 | nvz | mike-burns: regular debian anyhow uses /etc/init.d/ with links in /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the runlevel |
| 07:54.21 | tensorpudding | it has all the /etc/rc#.d things |
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| 07:54.52 | mike-burns | I'm still not used to runlevels. |
| 07:55.13 | nvz | nothing like that in FreeBSD? |
| 07:55.18 | tensorpudding | the filesystem check part is obviously different |
| 07:55.36 | mike-burns | DogBoy: You want to force the unmount, which I don't know how to do in Linux. But while searching I found this, which suggests you play with ifconfig to trick it into unmounting: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40317/force-unmount-of-nfs-mounted-directory |
| 07:56.00 | mike-burns | nvz: No runlevels, just start and stop (boot and shutdown). |
| 07:56.05 | Tapout | is there an app for converting *.avi to *.mp4 in linux? I'd like to auto-watch a directory and everything i put in there, automatically gets converted over to *.mp4 |
| 07:56.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone know how to take a folder full of packages that i downloaded from a repo and create a CD/DVD repo disk with it that has the normal structure of a repo disk? APTonCD disks do not have this structure. |
| 07:56.31 | DogBoy | mike-burns, I got it |
| 07:56.34 | mike-burns | Tapout: You want mencoder. |
| 07:56.37 | DogBoy | you are right |
| 07:56.51 | DogBoy | umount the share then do mount -a |
| 07:57.40 | Tapout | mike-burns, thanks |
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| 07:59.04 | Tapout | mike-burns, mencoder is more for playing and not for converting? I'm all in console here ;) |
| 07:59.45 | Tapout | oh i see |
| 07:59.46 | mike-burns | Tapout: It's part of the mplayer suite. mplayer is for playing, but mencoder is for encoding/de-coding/re-encoding. |
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| 08:00.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Tapout: Handbrake is what I love to use for encoding on my system. |
| 08:00.25 | Tapout | is it console tho? |
| 08:00.32 | mike-burns | Yes. |
| 08:00.34 | docgnome | is the an app for encrypting directories? |
| 08:00.39 | Tapout | i wanna crontab something that looks for *.avi, and produce *.mp4 |
| 08:00.41 | Tapout | handbrake is? |
| 08:00.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Tapout: Yes there is a GTK version of handbrake and a CLI version too. |
| 08:00.54 | Tapout | mike-burns, i see mencoder, i see it in the FAQ.. |
| 08:01.17 | Tapout | just figuring out how to automate these damn *.avi -> mp4 (ipod touch) ... apple is so fail.. why can't they support divx |
| 08:01.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | Tapout: Handbrake has presets for ipod and has a command line interface. |
| 08:03.10 | DogBoy | Tapout, divx is not as nice as those mp4 |
| 08:03.28 | Tapout | DogBoy, converting a divx to mp4 takes too much time :) |
| 08:03.39 | DogBoy | not really |
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| 08:03.50 | Tapout | some guy said install 'vlc' for itouch, searching to see if it's there.. if so, damn it's gonna be good |
| 08:04.08 | DogBoy | LinuxGuy2009 had the right advice |
| 08:04.16 | DogBoy | use handbrake |
| 08:04.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Tapout: The CLI of handbrake is sometimes more powerful than the GTk version on some DVD rips and stuff too. |
| 08:04.55 | Baloo | is handbrake in debian? |
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| 08:05.05 | docgnome | hrm... is there a recursive version of gpg -c ? |
| 08:05.09 | DogBoy | no, you have to dl the cli version |
| 08:05.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | debian-multimedia has a build of handbrake 0.9.3 for Lenny thats what I use. |
| 08:05.41 | tensorpudding | there is handbrake-cli and handbrake-gtk |
| 08:06.19 | Tapout | aptitude search handbrake-cli .. nothing found on my end |
| 08:07.00 | Tapout | wow they actually provide a *.deb on the site |
| 08:07.07 | tensorpudding | it's in debian-multimedia |
| 08:07.08 | Tapout | suprised... something mysql would NEVER do :) |
| 08:07.10 | mike-burns | Tapout: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 08:07.18 | tensorpudding | you should add that repository to your sources |
| 08:07.27 | Tapout | if you go to install debian-multimedia, does it try and install X and all that |
| 08:07.38 | tensorpudding | debian-multimedia is a repository |
| 08:07.41 | tensorpudding | it's not a package |
| 08:07.43 | Tapout | oh |
| 08:07.43 | Tapout | heh |
| 08:08.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Tapout: Just go there and manually download the package and install it. |
| 08:08.05 | tensorpudding | you'll have to add the gpg key if you don't want apt to bug you about it |
| 08:08.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Tapout: Itll show you if you need any other deps from that same repo too, |
| 08:08.43 | docgnome | what i'm trying to do is just encrypt my entire mysql data dir |
| 08:09.41 | tensorpudding | it'd be wiser to add the repository since you'll probably want some video and audio codecs if you're going to encode video |
| 08:10.12 | DogBoy | depends, I think the cli version is compiled to stand alone |
| 08:10.24 | DogBoy | if you download it from the handbrake site |
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| 08:10.55 | tensorpudding | i suppose that's possible |
| 08:11.09 | DogBoy | been a while since I used it |
| 08:11.19 | DogBoy | and then the scripts I wrote work better anyway |
| 08:11.26 | DogBoy | for what I want to do |
| 08:11.38 | tensorpudding | handbrake has a long list of depends |
| 08:12.15 | DogBoy | yea |
| 08:12.36 | tensorpudding | the cli one has a shorter one of course |
| 08:12.43 | NMarcu | Hello all, how can I see what is my IP (inside the network) - the IP supply by router. |
| 08:12.55 | NMarcu | In windows I do it with ipconfig |
| 08:13.02 | tensorpudding | NMarcu: ifconfig eth0 |
| 08:13.26 | tensorpudding | assuming that eth0 is the network device that is connected to the router |
| 08:13.43 | DogBoy | it says it's for ubuntu anyway |
| 08:14.42 | tensorpudding | just ifconfig will show a list of all of the known interfaces |
| 08:14.55 | DogBoy | another one of those annoying sites that equates linux with fedora and/or ubuntu |
| 08:14.57 | DogBoy | heh |
| 08:16.26 | tensorpudding | the worst is proprietary software that has install scripts written in csh and which assume you're running RHEL 4 or 5 |
| 08:16.53 | mike-burns | realizes for the first time that Debian doesn't come with csh. |
| 08:17.03 | NMarcu | tensorpudding Thanks, works. |
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| 08:19.24 | NMarcu | From one debian to another I can use scp for coping files between them. Who can I copy file from debian to windows vista? |
| 08:20.13 | DogBoy | NMarcu, you can use winscp |
| 08:20.19 | \amethyst | NMarcu: while sitting at the debian machine or at the windows machine? |
| 08:20.19 | DogBoy | I think it's called anyway |
| 08:20.20 | willluongo | or filezilla |
| 08:20.25 | mythomaniac | deiban is the best linux distribution... and i thank all the debian devs, the and the support people to make it what it is... thank you all |
| 08:20.33 | tensorpudding | there is WinSCP |
| 08:20.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | mythomaniac: Yeah Debian is nice cause it just works. |
| 08:21.05 | tensorpudding | i think it works with sftp to copy things from remove hosts |
| 08:21.16 | tensorpudding | it only works as a client though, not a server |
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| 08:21.20 | mythomaniac | LinuxGuy2009, this is true... and that you can make it whatever you want... |
| 08:21.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | mythomaniac: yep |
| 08:22.03 | mike-burns | "Just Works" means that it does what you expect. So if you expect it to act like Debian then it does, indeed, Just Work. |
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| 08:22.13 | NMarcu | \amethyst From debian to windows(sitting on debian) |
| 08:22.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | mike-burns: "just works" meaning it dont break every 5 sec like ubuntu does. |
| 08:22.37 | tensorpudding | debian is not the fastest or the newest, but it's stable and lovingly-crafted |
| 08:22.47 | mythomaniac | LinuxGuy2009, LOL another truth ;) |
| 08:22.56 | NMarcu | \amethyst If I do regular scp I get: ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.1 port 22: Connection refused lost connection |
| 08:23.04 | mythomaniac | LinuxGuy2009, sid is more stable then ubuntu ;) |
| 08:23.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | mythomaniac: hehe I see you have been there and done that too. hehe |
| 08:23.19 | mythomaniac | oh yes ;) |
| 08:23.30 | archboxman | Was wondering when most people do search they don't us whereis options -b -f -m or which -a??? Most people just use locate or find?? |
| 08:23.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | mythomaniac: seriously? Sid works better than ubuntu? |
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| 08:23.49 | mike-burns | archboxman: I use locate or the ** glob. |
| 08:23.52 | tensorpudding | which <foo> if it is a binary, if that fails, i use locate |
| 08:24.29 | tensorpudding | find is to be avoided unless i'm searching something that isn't indexed by locate |
| 08:24.33 | mythomaniac | LinuxGuy2009, i read a a post by a guy that swears that he has used sid for over 7 years... and never once had a problem... the key, which he states, is selective updating |
| 08:24.34 | archboxman | whereis not -f meant -s |
| 08:24.42 | \amethyst | NMarcu: you'd need some kind of server running on the Windows machine, e.g. filezilla server (for ftp) or sshd in cygwin (for scp) |
| 08:25.30 | nvz | personally I use my shell or my file manager, since I know where my files are |
| 08:25.33 | \amethyst | NMarcu: another option would be to set up a share on the windows machine, mount it with mount.cifs etc, and copy it |
| 08:25.39 | \amethyst | copy the file that is |
| 08:25.47 | nvz | I never understood how people can not know where something is on thier own filesystem |
| 08:26.21 | nvz | sometimes I get a lil sloppy, but I still can find things faster than any search software |
| 08:26.42 | \amethyst | archboxman: those are only for looking for commands and/or manpages |
| 08:26.44 | DogBoy | yea ok nvz |
| 08:26.51 | tensorpudding | you don't need to know where everything is, if you know how to find it |
| 08:26.52 | mike-burns | nvz: Do you know off the top of your head where pg_hba.conf is? |
| 08:26.56 | \amethyst | archboxman: usually you don't need to know where those are, since you're running them from the path |
| 08:27.28 | nvz | mike-burns: its a config file, it would likely be in /etc/ or a homedir |
| 08:27.29 | mythomaniac | locate? |
| 08:27.31 | tensorpudding | and the things you use often, you'll know where they are, and the things you use less often, will be forgotten |
| 08:27.45 | \amethyst | mike-burns: I know it'd be under /etc/postgresql, then can tab-complete from there :) |
| 08:28.00 | nvz | mike-burns: the FHS lays the groundwork, its your job as the admin to take it from there |
| 08:28.04 | tensorpudding | but so long as you keep things in a sane hierarchy they won't get lost forever |
| 08:28.18 | archboxman | \amethyst: do use locate -n limit number of searches or -c count of number of files??? |
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| 08:28.58 | nvz | mike-burns: bottom line is, I know where to look, the search software wastes my time looking other places where I know it can't be |
| 08:29.09 | \amethyst | archboxman: usually when I use locate I use it without options, or with -r (regex search) |
| 08:29.12 | archboxman | why does it seem like we are under using the search feature |
| 08:29.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Crap Im about to give up. I downloaded all of the i386 section of debian-multimedia repo. Its on my hdd. If I use aptoncd to make the repo CD, it works fine. Until I try and do what I do with my official DVD repo disks, and that is to have the ISOs automounted at bootup. Gotta be another way to make it have the same layout as the official repo disks. |
| 08:29.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone what debian used to split the repos into DVD size chunks? |
| 08:29.54 | tensorpudding | why do we need to use search if we know where things are? |
| 08:29.57 | mike-burns | Here's a case where I use ** globbing often: I frequently download Ruby gems and need to modify or read them. Sometimes I'll know that there's a file named e.g. klass.rb, but I don't know how many subdirectories deep it is. So I `vim **/klass.rb' and don't have to navigate. |
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| 08:30.16 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: why the hell would you make an ISO and automount it when you could just leave it on the filesystem that is already mounted? |
| 08:30.33 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: seems to me the only reason to make an ISO is if you are actually gonna put it on a disc |
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| 08:31.42 | nvz | I only say that, because you seem to be taking the LONG way around to try make software thats not designed to do what you want it to do, do what you want it to, instead of using the software that was designed to do it |
| 08:32.21 | nvz | kinda like you did with my issue earlier. worrying about keyboards, laptop models, acpi settings..etc.. when it was an X issue that had nothing at all to do with hardware specific stuff |
| 08:34.17 | archboxman | nvz: simple if your a network admin many recieve disc form of the respos for ensuring it doesn't have a virus... I figured most of this had been obselete after so many servers are now secure and have there own repository server??? |
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| 08:51.14 | nvz | is gonna have to read the website |
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| 08:52.53 | liable | you must be otherwise you wouldnt be here |
| 08:53.07 | nvz | yeah. I did it twice cause I normally see my mode change in the status |
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| 08:53.31 | nvz | but apparently it doesn't change my mode anymore on this server |
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| 08:55.52 | liable | jeez |
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| 09:00.42 | SethX | i've got a problem with my locale settings. i've got some filenames which contain accentuated chars, and they get displayed as "?" in my terminal |
| 09:00.47 | Arrowmaster | nvz: the mode changing thing was because of the outdated ircd |
| 09:00.53 | liable | he has the most annoying client ever.. |
| 09:01.01 | SethX | this problem also makes it impossible for perl to detect the chars in the filename and to automagically change it to something more sanitized |
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| 09:01.51 | SethX | i've run dpkg-configure locales , and selected enUS.UTF-8 UTF-8, logged out and back in, but no help |
| 09:01.57 | liable | can you +b him till he fixes his client? |
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| 09:02.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ubuntu has debpartial to divide a downloaded repo to CD/DVD size "chunks". Whats the Debian equivalent? |
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| 09:02.50 | Subdino | hi |
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| 09:03.05 | d1b | wooo |
| 09:03.18 | Subdino | I would like to give rw access to a uub device |
| 09:03.24 | liable | xk: wrong ip |
| 09:03.30 | SethX | who's got an idea on other steps i coul take? |
| 09:03.38 | Subdino | s/uub/usb/ |
| 09:03.44 | xk | liable: him == ? |
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| 09:03.49 | liable | yeah |
| 09:03.59 | xk | who is him? |
| 09:04.08 | liable | c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au |
| 09:04.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | xk: Agrajag- [~filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] |
| 09:04.17 | xk | ahhh. with the - |
| 09:04.25 | Subdino | I initially thought about using hal/policykit/consolekit but I can't find what I'm searching for in their doc, so maybe they just aren't the right way |
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| 09:05.21 | SethX | Subdino: what kind of device? |
| 09:05.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | wtf is it scrolling on my screen for. |
| 09:05.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | brb |
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| 09:05.38 | Subdino | SethX: USB protocol analyzer |
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| 09:06.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | soo... i'm in #debian, seeing lots of quit/join spam in #debian-overflow? |
| 09:06.04 | SethX | Subdino: it must have a device under /dev , look it up and give perms accordingly? |
| 09:06.15 | Arrowmaster | Kamping_Kaiser: so leave #debian-overflow |
| 09:06.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arrowmaster: i thought i had |
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| 09:06.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | its not in my channel list. |
| 09:06.38 | xk | ill remove the limit. for the time being |
| 09:06.44 | Subdino | SethX: it sure has, but the question is actualy about how to do it automaticaly, and if possible in a debian-friendly way |
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| 09:06.51 | Arrowmaster | your client is probably just being stupid do /part #debian-overflow |
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| 09:07.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | wierd. both in the same irssi tab. not seen that before |
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| 09:07.13 | SethX | Subdino: set up a script in a .profile ? |
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| 09:07.37 | Subdino | ie, I can just create a group, set the devnode group, mode g+rw... but I would like to redistribute the conf files, so using a standard group or something would be much better to me |
| 09:07.44 | xk | hmm |
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| 09:07.53 | Subdino | stfw .profile |
| 09:08.08 | liable | he must have 50 channels open or something |
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| 09:08.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does Debian have documenation explaining how they divide up the repo to make it into DVD size peices? |
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| 09:08.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: its done by debian-cd |
| 09:09.08 | SethX | so, locales anybody? how to get rid of question marks in the terminal? |
| 09:09.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Exactly what i needed! Thank you! |
| 09:09.41 | Subdino | SethX: mmh, as in ~/.profile/ ? could you be more specific ? |
| 09:09.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: enjoy :) (configuration required, nuts not included ;D) |
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| 09:09.50 | SethX | Subdino: yah. |
| 09:09.57 | SethX | or .bashrc |
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| 09:10.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: locale-gen, install correct locales, then set environment correctly? |
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| 09:10.42 | SethX | Kamping_Kaiser: doesnt dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:10.45 | SethX | do it all ? |
| 09:10.47 | Subdino | SethX: mmh... changing dev node ownership/mode in a user-started script ? that would require root permissions |
| 09:11.03 | mrkiko | Hi all! Sorry for my rude intrusion... Can someone tell me exactly what files I need to get debian /bin/login working in a chroot? I checked the correctness of all those details but I can get "login:" prompt, not the "password:" one... :) |
| 09:11.10 | SethX | Subdino: i was giving for granted you are root |
| 09:11.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: it'll regenerate selected locales, iirc |
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| 09:12.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | mrkiko: doesn't login have an option to forcde that? |
| 09:12.29 | Subdino | SethX: I am root on the machine I'm interested in, but I would like to grant access to normal users, while being as unintrusive as possible to the system (ie, avoiding adding groups if possible, but creating/editing a udev script or hal config is perfectly fine to me) |
| 09:12.39 | mrkiko | Kamping_Kaiser: oh... I was wondering doing things as clean as possible... |
| 09:12.48 | liable | jesus christ |
| 09:12.57 | xk | hah |
| 09:13.02 | xk | is dondelelcaro alive? |
| 09:13.04 | SethX | Subdino: i guess the best thing to do is to set the device to 777 |
| 09:13.14 | SethX | simple, painless, works. |
| 09:13.16 | Subdino | mmh |
| 09:13.22 | Subdino | but ugly |
| 09:13.31 | SethX | are you paranoid about security for a .. uhm USB protocol analyzer? |
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| 09:13.36 | mrkiko | I have all those needed pam libraries and security modules |
| 09:13.41 | Subdino | I prefer creating a group rather than 777 |
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| 09:14.08 | streuner | xk: i think so, but prolly in bed (TZ...), why? |
| 09:14.22 | xk | dunno, there are no other ops for #debian-overflow |
| 09:14.23 | SethX | Kamping_Kaiser: so, how to reset them? manually within .bashrc ? |
| 09:14.28 | Subdino | I'm rather being careful in hope to release my work on it and have it be useful for people without having to warn them about insecurity |
| 09:15.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: 're'set them? |
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| 09:16.01 | SethX | erm, ja. given that dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:16.19 | SethX | only configures them, dunno, perhaps they have to be set |
| 09:16.21 | SethX | wtf |
| 09:16.23 | SethX | i dunno |
| 09:16.27 | SethX | i'm a noob! |
| 09:16.29 | phorce1 | xk, thx -- never seen that before |
| 09:16.56 | SethX | i mean, my export contains this now: declare -x LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 09:17.13 | SethX | yet i selected en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 09:17.20 | SethX | so something looks wrong |
| 09:17.21 | SethX | no? |
| 09:17.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Wooo holy crap that debian-cd stuff looks overly complicated.Maybe Ill just keep the official DVD ISOs automounted at startup and just use aptoncd for any that I make by hand of debian-multimedia, and debian non-free section. Ill just have to pop the last 2 disks in when it asks for em. Guess thats better then swapping all 7. |
| 09:17.50 | Subdino | problem is, I would like to achieve either something like webcam-ish access roules (group-based permission) but I can't find a suitable pre-existing group in my system, or like input devices under X (dynamic ownership depending on how is logged in) but I can't find a way to achieve this (because I just can't find the right doc, probably) |
| 09:17.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: its for building all the debian images. it has to be complex. |
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| 09:18.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: locale-gen doesn't love you? |
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| 09:19.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: what are you doing exactly? |
| 09:19.21 | SethX | Kamping_Kaiser: no. at all. |
| 09:19.25 | SethX | i keep seeing question marks. |
| 09:19.52 | SethX | th best thing |
| 09:19.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: you do have to log out for locale changes to pickup, btw |
| 09:20.07 | SethX | i did. every time. |
| 09:20.18 | Subdino | SethX: wouldn't it rather be a problem related to glyph rendering ? (missing font, terminal emulator unaware of utf or whatever) |
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| 09:20.36 | SethX | the best thing, as i was saying, is that i've created a file with all the chars i'm expecting to be there |
| 09:20.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Well I already have the 5 official repo DVDs burned and I have the ISOs in my home folder and they get automatically mounted at bootup so when I install something I dont have to be online for it.... |
| 09:20.41 | SethX | and if i cat it , i see the chars OK |
| 09:21.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: I want to get debian-multimedia and debian non-free on DVD of the same layout so the same automounting can be done with them as well... |
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| 09:21.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: i'd have thought `debmirror`ing them and burning that onto a cd would do the job. |
| 09:21.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: I just got done downloading the debian-multimedia i386 repo. Its 365 MB. I just need to know how to convert it to a CD or DVD image. |
| 09:21.58 | SethX | and, best of all, is that i'm working on flacs. i've had a stagier tag all the flacs one by one with accurate data. including accentuated chars. now, if i use metaflac --list on one of these files, i see a quetionmark instead of the expected tag. |
| 09:22.02 | SethX | yet |
| 09:22.11 | SethX | if i > the output to a file |
| 09:22.17 | SethX | ad look at it on my mac |
| 09:22.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: mkisofs, or your choice of GUI tool to do the 'converting' |
| 09:22.21 | SethX | i see the chars just fine |
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| 09:23.11 | SethX | but for some retarded reason something like this: $newname =~ s/è/e/g; |
| 09:23.14 | SethX | wont work |
| 09:23.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: What can mkisofs do for me Ive never used it before? |
| 09:24.13 | SethX | which totally pisses me off because i have thousands of files i have to feed into a cms and i dont have a stagier in my office to delegate slave work to |
| 09:24.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: do you need to make the iso on the CLI? if not, grab a gui of some sort (i don't do optical media, so i can't suggest one) |
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| 09:26.03 | SethX | Kamping_Kaiser: utf-8 is the most universal locale, no? |
| 09:26.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Well I already know of aptoncd but it completely ruins the file system structure that i cant have cause then the ISO cant be automounted. |
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| 09:26.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: its the recommended character set, yeah. |
| 09:27.31 | SethX | hmm. i'm really out of ideas Kamping_Kaiser |
| 09:27.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Im about to just give up and use aptoncd anyways cause of no other choice. I just cant mount that one at bootup. |
| 09:27.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: find some doco on debmirror and mkisofs |
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| 09:27.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: i dunno :/ |
| 09:27.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: The debmirror part was the easy part. hehe |
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| 09:28.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: :) |
| 09:29.31 | SethX | Kamping_Kaiser: and whats the most universal locale? |
| 09:30.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: To be more accurate the repo that i downloaded is about 2GB for debian non-free and its all in one /pool folder. Im not sure how to take that and split it onto 2 CDs. |
| 09:31.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: 4 cds :) by if you have 7 dvd images already, why make it into cds? |
| 09:32.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | SethX: by my understanding of the word 'locale' your question makes no sense |
| 09:32.38 | SethX | well, my problem makes no sense, so its natural my question is of the same nature. |
| 09:33.24 | SethX | anyhow, i reselected and regenrated en_US.UTF-8 , logged out, in, checked the correct output of `locale` ad of `export` , and it all seems its in there properly |
| 09:33.33 | SethX | yet, i still see fcking question marks |
| 09:33.43 | \amethyst | SethX: what terminal? |
| 09:33.47 | SethX | and my ftp client refuses to show me the files. |
| 09:34.00 | SethX | \amethyst: using terminal on a mac, with all locales active |
| 09:34.29 | \amethyst | is it possible your filenames are encoded as Latin-1? |
| 09:34.29 | SethX | that is, my ftp client shows a void filename for the files which contain a question mark |
| 09:34.40 | SethX | \amethyst: that may be indeed possible. |
| 09:34.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Out of DVDs till I got to wally world. hehe |
| 09:34.50 | SethX | yet i dont really have a way to check , do i? |
| 09:34.57 | \amethyst | try ls > out.txt then file out.txt |
| 09:35.15 | SethX | out.txt: ISO-8859 text |
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| 09:35.36 | \amethyst | SethX: so the filenames are in an 8-bit non-UTF-8 encoding |
| 09:35.46 | SethX | augh. |
| 09:35.48 | \amethyst | SethX: you might try renaming them |
| 09:36.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, on a mac ;s |
| 09:36.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: heh |
| 09:36.07 | \amethyst | ISTR a program to do that, but you could write a script |
| 09:36.16 | SethX | \amethyst: there are literally thousands. that's what i'm doing, but since so many have the same initials i cant even tab complete |
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| 09:36.38 | SethX | \amethyst: i have this: |
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| 09:37.07 | SethX | http://fixee.org/paste/lppwhrx/ |
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| 09:37.21 | SethX | but i dont understand why its not working as expected |
| 09:37.29 | SethX | it just ignores the funky chars |
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| 09:37.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Well there doesnt seem to be a half easy solution so I guess I should just be happy with aptoncd and just pop em in when it asks for em. Not like Ill be installing from them all the time or anything. Sucks cause debian has debpartial that does the trick but I dont see that package for debian. |
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| 09:38.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ubuntu has debpartial* |
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| 09:38.09 | SethX | uhm, unless... |
| 09:38.17 | streuner | xk: thanks :-) |
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| 09:38.22 | SethX | ill try saving that with that screwed up charset |
| 09:38.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: i've never tried to do what you want to do. i know its possible, just not how |
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| 09:38.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Ok well i apreciate you trying, I do. |
| 09:38.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | LinuxGuy2009: no worries. good luck with it |
| 09:39.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks |
| 09:40.24 | \amethyst | SethX: rename 'use Encode qw/encode decode/; $_ = encode("utf-8", decode("iso-8859-1", $_))' * |
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| 09:40.45 | SethX | hum... wuzzat :) |
| 09:41.10 | \amethyst | SethX: renames files with latin-1 filenames into the equivalent utf-8 filenames |
| 09:41.12 | SethX | whoa |
| 09:41.15 | SethX | guess what |
| 09:41.15 | SethX | it worked |
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| 09:41.25 | SethX | loves \amethyst |
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| 09:43.54 | \amethyst | SethX: just make sure you don't run it twice :) |
| 09:44.06 | \amethyst | SethX: otherwise you'll end up with lots of é etc |
| 09:44.23 | SethX | oh. |
| 09:44.31 | SethX | ok. |
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| 09:45.02 | \amethyst | you could probably do something to check whether it's valid UTF-8, and if so, not re-encode it |
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| 09:45.56 | \amethyst | SethX: rename 'use Encode qw/encode decode is_utf8/; $_ = encode("utf-8", decode("iso-8859-1", $_)) unless is_utf8($_)' * |
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| 09:46.22 | \amethyst | SethX: hm, no, that doesn't seem to quite work |
| 09:46.53 | cnu | i use debian+iptables on my "router" to do NAT. can i somehow save NAT state and reboot, so connections aren't broken (just freeze for half a minute or something) ? |
| 09:47.13 | \amethyst | SethX: ah, is_utf8 doesn't do what I thought it did |
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| 09:48.16 | SethX | meh, its ok, ill run it manually where it needs to be run, and ill be fine with that :) |
| 09:48.40 | SethX | so, shopping time |
| 09:48.59 | SethX | \amethyst: if you do come up with a better version , /msg it to me :) |
| 09:49.04 | SethX | thanks a handful~ |
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| 09:49.05 | SethX | ! |
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| 09:55.25 | buckfast | Does Knoppix have a ftp server by default? |
| 09:56.10 | buckfast | I want to access it from another location |
| 09:56.26 | buckfast | I deleted hosts allow and deny files |
| 09:56.45 | buckfast | the tutorial told to restart inetd but theres no such thing as inetd under /etc/init.d/ |
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| 10:01.47 | vaid | i was wondering how to install oidentd on my vps |
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| 10:02.37 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
| 10:02.37 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
| 10:03.29 | streuner | mo2000: it might help - http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 10:05.52 | marko90 | hi, guys! I'd like to install debian from livecd, do you know whether the livecds from debian-live.alioth.debian.org have the install option on them? |
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| 10:07.20 | nvz | xk: what was that for? |
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| 10:07.54 | xk | eh |
| 10:08.07 | \amethyst | marko90: unless something has changed recently, they do not... the only way to install from a live CD is with debootstrap |
| 10:08.42 | mo2000 | streuner: Thanks... now i have one mor info... ATTR {removable} is set to 0... |
| 10:08.47 | nvz | xk: just makes me think something bad is about to happen when you are op'ing blootbots. :-P |
| 10:08.52 | xk | haha |
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| 10:09.01 | xk | why is that? |
| 10:09.07 | xk | did something happen in the past? |
| 10:09.17 | nvz | idk, what reason could they possibly need those kinds of permissions for |
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| 10:09.42 | nvz | and the only recent thing was the huge migration to a new codebase about two hours ago |
| 10:09.45 | marko90 | \amethyst: ok, thanks |
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| 10:11.22 | nvz | RichiH: good morning ;) |
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| 10:11.55 | vaid | how to edit my dns server records |
| 10:12.03 | buckfast | I can't get the default ftp server on knoppix working, can someone help |
| 10:12.30 | nvz | Thats richih for ya.. always popin in and out |
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| 10:21.35 | buckfast | can someone help me get the ftp server on knoppix working |
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| 10:23.49 | Tobias| | Is there any rational reason why I seem completely unable to find emerald squeeze's repositories? |
| 10:23.55 | Tobias| | in* |
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| 10:25.49 | kblessinggr | can anyone suggest a site or tool for me to either simulate or test load of my system? |
| 10:25.59 | amphi | Tobias|: emerald has never been in debian as far as I know |
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| 10:26.25 | Tobias| | *facepalm* |
| 10:26.35 | Tobias| | This might explain several things |
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| 10:27.20 | amphi | Tobias|: it's not difficult to build from src, FWIW |
| 10:27.33 | Tobias| | Giving that a go already |
| 10:27.47 | Tobias| | It's whinging about the billion (four) source packages I'm missing |
| 10:27.52 | Tobias| | Gotta dig those up |
| 10:28.49 | buckfast | how i have to edit the initd.conf in knoppix to enable the ftp server |
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| 10:29.24 | AimHere | Surely that's a job for #knoppix, or whatever the room is called |
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| 10:30.40 | buckfast | its debian based |
| 10:30.47 | buckfast | not much life in #knoppix |
| 10:30.57 | AimHere | Well debian based isn't debian |
| 10:31.03 | buckfast | was hoping to get help here, my hdd crashed |
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| 10:32.09 | mo2000 | buckfast: And? You want use Knoppix to restore your files or what? |
| 10:32.10 | AimHere | See, in debian, doing something like 'aptitude install ftpd' would be all we needed to have an ftp server at boot |
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| 10:32.15 | LuitvD | hi |
| 10:32.20 | LuitvD | I have a strange problem... |
| 10:32.34 | AimHere | That is not likely to work on your knoppix cd |
| 10:32.49 | LuitvD | I've tried numerous ways to disable IPv6 because it distracts some of my software too much |
| 10:33.07 | LuitvD | though `netstat -tunlp` still shows bound IPv6 addresses... |
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| 10:34.44 | LuitvD | is there a way to make sure not a single piece of software is aware of IPv6? |
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| 10:36.52 | buckfast | mo2000: i want to access the knoppix machine through another location, to browse the hdd and copy files |
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| 10:37.26 | zorrolero | !tell LuitvD about noipv6 |
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| 10:37.52 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Does knoppix have an ssh server? |
| 10:38.11 | cnu | !tell cnu about noipv6 |
| 10:38.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | why the fuck would we know? |
| 10:38.13 | LuitvD | zorrolero: so the stuff I put in /etc/sysctl.conf can be removed again? |
| 10:38.18 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: i think so |
| 10:38.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell cnu about selftell |
| 10:39.04 | zorrolero | LuitvD: seems so,) or not? |
| 10:39.28 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: Yes |
| 10:39.35 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Because if it is, and it has network access, with the server running you can log in remotely with 'ssh username@ip-address'. |
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| 10:39.47 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Can you find out if it's running? |
| 10:40.04 | buckfast | i just started it from the menu |
| 10:40.16 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: The ssh server? (sshd, maybe?) |
| 10:40.21 | LuitvD | zorrolero: net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 or something like that |
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| 10:40.41 | LuitvD | I'll try rebooting now |
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| 10:41.05 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: ok i logged in through the ssh |
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| 10:41.58 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Well, that's a full command-line login. To transfer files, exit ssh, and use sftp (I think) which has some sort of get and put commands. |
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| 10:42.29 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: If you have X, there might be some way to use a GUI file manager, but I don't know for certain.... |
| 10:43.32 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: what port is it btw |
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| 10:44.05 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Umm... it ought to know the default port for ssh... |
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| 10:45.28 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Is it working alright, or not yet? |
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| 10:49.44 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: i think its working, i can access knoppix filserver |
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| 10:50.00 | buckfast | now i just need to access the local hdd |
| 10:50.03 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Through the terminal with sftp? |
| 10:50.09 | liable | thank $deity i dont have to see Arajag cycling still.. |
| 10:50.18 | buckfast | through gnome file browser |
| 10:50.22 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Or is a GUI filemanager working with SSH? |
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| 10:50.50 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: yes, nautilus does the job |
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| 10:51.22 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Can it read/write remote files? |
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| 10:52.41 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: it seems to |
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| 10:52.56 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Problem solved? |
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| 10:55.41 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: i can access the knoppix filesystem, so yes, thanks for the help |
| 10:55.48 | buckfast | hdd seems dead though :( |
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| 10:56.20 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: You're welcome. (Backed up, I hope?) |
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| 10:56.31 | kolpur | what is the kernel version in the debian testing presently ? |
| 10:56.58 | buckfast | hardly |
| 10:57.00 | kolpur | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-dvd/ .. what is the kernel version in this debian testing distro ? |
| 10:57.03 | craigevil | kolpur: 2.6.32 |
| 10:57.17 | kolpur | where can i get such info ? |
| 10:57.30 | NMarcu | What is the best and the easiest method to scp files from a Debian PC to a Windows Vista PC, both in the same network? |
| 10:57.37 | craigevil | kolpur: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 10:58.05 | zorrolero | !tell kolpur about pdo |
| 10:58.15 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: If it's a genuine hard disk failure you intend to recover from, better stop writing to it and start imaging it with dd. (And yet -- where did ssh launch from? Oh -- you were running it as recovery?) |
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| 11:00.07 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: launched the ssh session from another pc |
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| 11:01.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does anyone know if its possible to mount an APTonCD generated ISO to a folder (already know how to mount ISO files), and then add that folder to the sources.list? Im not sure if its possible or not. |
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| 11:01.31 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: I meant, were you running Knoppix (with sshd) from a CD, as a recovery disk? Sorry to hear of the failure, but recovery isn't my area of expertise... |
| 11:02.00 | utrrrongeeb | LinuxGuy2009: Have you tried mounting the ISO to /cdrom, and running apt-cdrom? |
| 11:02.17 | zorrolero | NMarcu: http://winscp.net/eng/index.php |
| 11:02.32 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: yeah, im running knoppix on the pc with broken hdd |
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| 11:03.37 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: I don't know much about data recovery -- anybody else? Is it not mounting on errors, or just not working? |
| 11:03.52 | arafangion | My monitor keeps turning off after I haven't touched the mouse or keyboard - it stays on for *exactly* 30 minutes, than switches off. |
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| 11:04.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: Well no because if I figure this problem out I will have at least 2 ISOs that I need mounted at bootup by adding the mount line to /etc/rc.local script. |
| 11:04.09 | aejm | test |
| 11:04.12 | arafangion | How do I disable that? If I want the monitor off, I want to do so manually - not have it turn off automatically while watching a DVD. |
| 11:04.24 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: sometimes it mounts, sometimes even boots up the os, sometimes bios doesnt recognise there is a hdd |
| 11:04.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: Can I mount multiple ISOs that way? |
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| 11:05.44 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: Sorry, can't help much, but it at least doesn't sound completely unrecoverable... |
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| 11:06.23 | utrrrongeeb | LinuxGuy2009: Not that I know of, and I don't think I've every loop-mounted an image. ;-) Does apt-cdrom let you specify the location of the mountpoint? |
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| 11:07.00 | Arrowmaster | arafangion: 'xset s off' might do it, other than that check your screensaver/power management settings |
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| 11:07.01 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: Sounds like a power-saving option, which shouldn't be hard to fix, if it's from Debian. |
| 11:07.22 | arafangion | utrrrongeeb: That's exactly what it sounds like. |
| 11:07.22 | themill | EagleWatch: please turn that off in #debian |
| 11:07.32 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: There's also some lines in Xorg.conf which might be causing it. |
| 11:07.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: Very good question! Checing right now. |
| 11:07.46 | arafangion | Arrowmaster: How would I check my screensaver options? |
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| 11:08.07 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: Sorry to butt in -- xscreensaver-demo for xscreensaver.... |
| 11:08.14 | Arrowmaster | what desktop environment are you using |
| 11:08.30 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: But if it's gnome-screensaver or something with KDE, their respective config utilities will have it. |
| 11:08.40 | arafangion | I run fluxbox. |
| 11:08.50 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: Then use xscreensaver-demo. |
| 11:08.55 | arafangion | I'm looking for /etc/X11/Xorg.conf, but it seems that Debian testing has changed things. |
| 11:09.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: apt-cdrom [-hvrmfan] [-d=cdrom mount point] [-o=config string] [-c=file] [[add] | [ident]] |
| 11:09.00 | arafangion | (Because I don't have that file) |
| 11:09.26 | arafangion | screensaver-demo is not on my path, so I don't think I have it. |
| 11:09.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: option -d might be the one im looking for from the looks of it? Think thats it? |
| 11:09.41 | Arrowmaster | arafangion: try 'xset q' |
| 11:10.06 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: It's a program, and it's xscreensaver-demo (with an 'x'). However, if you don't have it, it's not the screensaver. |
| 11:10.36 | NMarcu | It's possible to use yahoo messenger with pdgin now? |
| 11:10.41 | buckfast | utrrrongeeb: yeah, thanks for helping with the ssh connection, thats all i was asking actually, the hdd has some mechanical fault, if i will be able to get my files off it i will be lucky, but without any physical repairing nothing is certain |
| 11:11.05 | utrrrongeeb | LinuxGuy2009: Yes. What I'm guessing you need is to add your ISO's to fstab, and apt-cdrom to use the two (non-/cdrom/) mountpoints. |
| 11:11.23 | utrrrongeeb | NMarcu: Should be, haven't tried it, don't know what version Debian ships... |
| 11:11.54 | arafangion | Ok, xset does indicate that there is a timeout of '600' before the screensaver starts (and it prefers blanking), that DPMS is enabled, and: Standby: 1200 Suspend: 1800 Off: 2400 |
| 11:12.06 | utrrrongeeb | buckfast: You're welcome. Hope you get it fixed! |
| 11:12.17 | arafangion | It's _wierd_ that there is no /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
| 11:12.45 | Arrowmaster | the Xorg.conf is all done automatically now, but you can create one if you want |
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| 11:12.55 | utrrrongeeb | arafangion: It's the suspend you're noticing, but you might remove all anyway. |
| 11:13.00 | fifou | hi |
| 11:13.04 | arafangion | That's pretty cool - nah, I like things being automatic. |
| 11:13.20 | arafangion | I actually wouldn't even mind the blanking or suspending either, but not while watching a _movie_. |
| 11:13.26 | xyan | arafangion: its not wierd, the newer xserver autodetects devices and drivers. however you can place on there |
| 11:13.33 | NMarcu | utrrrongeeb I tried to do this some times ago, and not work, and I Google it and I find that yahoo forbidden access to yahoo messenger from any Linux distribution, is something change since then? |
| 11:14.00 | craigevil | NMarcu: install pidgin from backports |
| 11:14.10 | xyan | arafangion: its enough to "xset s off" and "xset -dpms" to disable screensaver and dpms blanking |
| 11:14.24 | arafangion | Thanks, I'll do that. :) |
| 11:14.39 | Arrowmaster | NMarcu: yahoo changes their protocol sometimes to try and block all 3rd party clients but it only lasts for a short time before somebody finds a fix |
| 11:14.57 | xk | hmmhmhm |
| 11:15.25 | NMarcu | I have Pidgin 2.4.3, and don't work. |
| 11:15.27 | utrrrongeeb | NMarcu: If it makes any difference, I'm currently using scsa.msg.yahoo.com:5050. You might need the backport, though. |
| 11:15.29 | arafangion | Now I can get back to my movie. ) |
| 11:15.31 | arafangion | :) |
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| 11:16.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: A big high five and a pat on the back to you! apt-cdrom add '/home/mark/Repository/Debian-Multimedia' as super user did the trick, peice of cake with your help. Thanks so much! |
| 11:16.30 | utrrrongeeb | NMarcu: I'm using 2.6.1 in Windows, so yes, it's quite possible there's a protocol difference. As craigevil said, you'll probably want the backport. |
| 11:17.14 | utrrrongeeb | LinuxGuy2009: Thanks/you're welcome! :-) If you want that on startup, there may be some quirks, but if it's working for now.... |
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| 11:20.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: Oh crap it was just working cause I had the actual CD in the drive. Son of a biscuit. |
| 11:20.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Now it dont work. |
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| 11:22.23 | NMarcu | utrrrongeeb I install 2.6.5 and I get this error: Unable to connect: Error resolving scsa.msg.yahoo.com:5050: Name or service not known |
| 11:23.01 | NMarcu | utrrrongeeb My bad...working now, thanks. |
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| 11:39.42 | naranco | problem with wakeup on rtc alarm. kernel 2.6.26. rtc clock disabled in bios. wakes up from suspend to disk, not from a shutdown. alarm is lost. HWCLOCKACCESS=no in /etc/default/rcS.. any ideas?? |
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| 11:41.13 | dutchfish | naranco, wild gues: in your bios your nic is in a to low RC state (conserve more power on poweroff) |
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| 11:42.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | utrrrongeeb: You still here? I found the solution but dont know what it means so that i can remember it later on. I thought maybe you would know. |
| 11:42.26 | naranco | dutchfish: system can wake up from magick packet |
| 11:42.38 | dutchfish | naranco, ok |
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| 11:43.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | Nope he left. Ill just ask the room. |
| 11:43.06 | dutchfish | naranco, you have latest bios? and what bios? |
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| 11:44.03 | dutchfish | naranco, have you tested with S1 instead of S3 in bios? |
| 11:46.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have an APTonCD created ISO that I mounted with "mount cd.iso -o loop /isomount/" for example. I wanted to add it to the sources list so I never have to put the disk in again. I read somewhere that the sources.list line of "deb file:///isomount/ ./" would do the trick. And it works great, but can someone explain what the ./ is doing there or what it means? |
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| 11:47.20 | dutchfish | LinuxGuy2009, ./ means curent dir ../ means 1 dir higher up |
| 11:48.22 | dutchfish | LinuxGuy2009, you can check with ls -la ./ |
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| 11:50.27 | DeadFishMan | Hi all. I recently ran an aptitude safe-upgrade in my laptop running Sid and it ended killing my ability to connect to my wireless router. After researching on the internet, I found a workaround that mainly requires me to disable DBus. |
| 11:50.52 | DeadFishMan | It works but disable a lot of important things on the desktop so it is far from optimal. |
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| 11:51.17 | DeadFishMan | I'd greatly appreciate any tips, advices, etc. |
| 11:51.29 | naranco | its the bios the machine came with dutchfish |
| 11:51.43 | naranco | i fugure it's related to the hwclock setting on shutdown or bootup that throws of the alarm, that's why i set HWCLOCKACCESS to no.. it can wakeup from s4 dutchfish, so i would imagine S1 and S3 are no issue |
| 11:52.16 | dutchfish | naranco, but ... some bios have quircks with RTC wakeup only functional on S1 |
| 11:52.29 | dutchfish | naranco, check that first |
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| 11:55.44 | naranco | ok, i have set the wakeup in 5 min, and sent the machine to suspend |
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| 11:56.58 | dutchfish | naranco, you know you have to shut it down completely normal first? before S1 kicks in |
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| 11:57.43 | St0n3-C0l | how do I get smoother flash videos? |
| 11:57.57 | St0n3-C0l | I am on Intel...and got flash 10 installed... |
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| 11:58.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | dutchfish: Ok thanks. Thats what I thought ./ meant. I wonder why that makes the sources line work for aptoncd created images that are loop mounted. Strange. Im guessing that instead of adding the lenny main contrib etc, that it just forces apt to stay in the same folder to look for what it needs. Sound right to you? |
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| 11:58.44 | naranco | echo -n "standby" > /sys/power/state dutchfish, it does not wakeup from a cold boot on rtc alarm |
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| 11:59.41 | dutchfish | naranco, you might consult you bios/machine vendor and ask for a newer bios ... i am out of options |
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| 12:00.31 | dutchfish | LinuxGuy2009, yep |
| 12:00.42 | naranco | no luck then dutchfish, dont want to update the bios |
| 12:00.53 | dutchfish | naranco, too bad |
| 12:01.08 | Arrowmaster | LinuxGuy2009: that argument is for a directory, which are normally named stable/lenny etc |
| 12:01.32 | naranco | will have to suspend it to disk and wakeup like that iso wakeup from shutdown |
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| 12:03.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Arrowmaster: Im guessing that the lenny main contrib helps to point apt to the packages.gz files etc on a normal repo? |
| 12:03.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 12:04.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | Cool now I understand. Sweet! Thanks guys have a good one! |
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| 12:09.29 | dutchfish | naranco, there is only one left but that involves hardware, ie a remote powerswitch which is toggled with bios in resume on pwerfailure mode |
| 12:09.34 | naranco | "ok, i have set the wakeup in 5 min, and sent the machine to S1 suspend" doesnt come alive dutchfish |
| 12:09.41 | naranco | very strange |
| 12:09.50 | dutchfish | naranco, yeh, it sbios related |
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| 12:10.32 | naranco | was expecting that to work, as wakeup after a suspend to disk works |
| 12:10.58 | dutchfish | naranco, s2disk and magic packet wakeup work totally different |
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| 12:11.52 | dutchfish | naranco, the only thing left to test is with no powersavings in the bios on, some bioses might get away with that |
| 12:12.04 | dutchfish | naranco, how old is the bios? |
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| 12:12.56 | naranco | 2004 ish dutchfish, http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/BIOS_Model.aspx?ProductID=1763 |
| 12:13.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im a bit confused why is there a package called "alien-arena-data_7.0-1_all.deb" when there doesnt seem to be a way to actually install the game from the repos? What am i missing? |
| 12:13.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Its in non-free |
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| 12:13.56 | dutchfish | naranco, you have F3 or newer, the F3 fixes a related bios option |
| 12:14.00 | AimHere | The game itself is probably in contrib |
| 12:14.11 | AimHere | In fact it is |
| 12:14.21 | AimHere | apt-cache search is your friend |
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| 12:15.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well thats strange. Are the contrib packages not all on the 5 official DVD repo disks? |
| 12:16.43 | AimHere | I'd have thought neither contrib nor non-free would end up on the disks |
| 12:17.28 | AimHere | But it's been a few months since I last installed any packages from one of them |
| 12:17.35 | AimHere | So I'm not so sure anymore |
| 12:17.38 | naranco | after a echo -n "standby" > /sys/power/state, cant even wake it up with a magic packet, will have to do it myself.. dutchfish, i'll have a look at the bios version |
| 12:17.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | All this time I thought I had the whole repo except non-free on them. Looks like Ill be downloading contrib today for DVD burning. |
| 12:17.53 | dutchfish | naranco, ok, good luck |
| 12:18.30 | AimHere | I suggest you check to make sure before scarfing another couple of gigabytes |
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| 12:18.47 | darkfuneral | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | AimHere: Well I have all 5 DVDs and there all loop mounted and added to sources. No alien arena to speak of on them. Must not be any contrib on them. |
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| 12:22.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Non-free was only 1.8GB to download. |
| 12:23.12 | arafangion | LinuxGuy2009: Why didn't you just... I dunno - rsync the repository? |
| 12:23.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: I used debmirror it was fast and easy. |
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| 12:23.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: Why what did you assume i did? |
| 12:24.12 | arafangion | LinuxGuy2009: Ahh, right. Well it sounded like you downloaded the DVD's, and loopmounted them. |
| 12:24.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: Well yeah i did download the 5 official ones. |
| 12:25.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: Then I debmirrored the non-free section and alsa debian-multimedia. |
| 12:26.12 | arafangion | Why not download all the other operating systems while you're at it? |
| 12:26.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: Are you jealous? |
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| 12:26.47 | arafangion | No, I don't get jealous of the mad. |
| 12:27.04 | arafangion | I taunt them instead. :) |
| 12:27.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: Actually I did download a lot of distros about 10 so thats another 7GB. |
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| 12:28.01 | arafangion | Last I checked, it takes more than 100GB to download all of Debian. |
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| 12:30.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | arafangion: So far its about 20GB for main, 1.8GB for non-free. All thats left is contrib. As soon as I start debmirror itll say the total size. I dought its over 1 DVD. |
| 12:30.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | doubt* |
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| 12:30.52 | wols | hi. what is the replacement of /usr/bin/locate ? |
| 12:30.55 | craigevil | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 28028 packages, 2111 maintainers, 84370 MB installed size, 31046 MB compressed size |
| 12:31.10 | craigevil | stable and testing is similiar, maybe a bit less |
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| 12:31.37 | wols | considering debian usually grew >= 50% per relase, stable should be quite a bit less |
| 12:31.53 | themill | wols: /msg dpkg mlocate |
| 12:32.12 | wols | thanks |
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| 12:32.44 | wols | installs |
| 12:33.23 | arafangion | Not to mention all the other architectures as well. |
| 12:33.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | craigevil: That sounds about right to me. 30GB aint bad. Tons of software in there too. :) |
| 12:34.02 | craigevil | LinuxGuy2009: Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22971 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59051 MB installed size, 20844 MB compressed size, about 10gb less for stable |
| 12:34.10 | arafangion | removes his chocolate from the 'ecological packaging assuring excellent preservation of flavour and taste'. |
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| 12:34.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Cool |
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| 12:35.15 | arafangion | What-do-ya-know? Debian's fluxbox has F4 mapped to frigging "close window". |
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| 12:36.51 | darkfuneral | anyone here using the R-vim plugin know how to fix "/.r-pipe : can't open file for writing"? |
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| 12:39.46 | xk | darkskiez: set | grep HOME |
| 12:39.49 | xk | darkfuneral rather |
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| 12:41.31 | rumpsy | please, somebody help me, my CPU peaks to 90% when i drag or move any window on desktop |
| 12:41.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Contrib i386 is only 343MB Nice. |
| 12:41.50 | rumpsy | i an see that in system monitor |
| 12:41.55 | rumpsy | i can see that in system monitor |
| 12:42.00 | wols | rumpsy: what videocard with what driver? |
| 12:42.25 | rumpsy | i'm having nvidia fx5200, and using nv driver |
| 12:42.41 | abrotman | rumpsy: uname -a |
| 12:42.59 | rumpsy | Linux kingringLenny 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 21:12:12 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:43.49 | hebz0rl | wtf? |
| 12:43.54 | hebz0rl | #debian-overflow? |
| 12:44.05 | rumpsy | Any guess, what's my problem :( |
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| 12:44.49 | wols | rumpsy: usually it's a X framebuffer driver since nv should accelerate 2D just fine |
| 12:45.00 | wols | chcked your X logs if nv is actually used? |
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| 12:45.45 | rumpsy | okay, i check tat now |
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| 12:45.46 | darkfuneral | xk: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME%%.*}:${PWD/$HOME/~}\007"' |
| 12:45.49 | darkfuneral | R_HOME=/usr/lib64/R |
| 12:46.10 | xk | darkfuneral: so no HOME= ? |
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| 12:46.24 | vyrgozunqk | hey guys, does somebody know a way to install kde 4.4 on debian squeeze, with binary packages ? |
| 12:46.31 | darkfuneral | xk: I'm root user so root is /root |
| 12:46.37 | vyrgozunqk | or a repository |
| 12:46.42 | xk | darkfuneral: yeah but it's not defined? |
| 12:46.53 | darkfuneral | xk: I don't think it needs to be? |
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| 12:47.06 | darkfuneral | ~ echo $HOME |
| 12:47.07 | apt | $HOME |
| 12:47.07 | darkfuneral | /root |
| 12:47.07 | xk | try this: export HOME=/root |
| 12:47.15 | xk | ok |
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| 12:47.24 | xk | ls -la ~/.r-pipe |
| 12:47.56 | darkfuneral | its not there |
| 12:48.00 | darkfuneral | i touched it, seems to work |
| 12:48.11 | darkfuneral | lets see if R gets input from vim now .. |
| 12:48.23 | darkfuneral | mm nope |
| 12:48.39 | rumpsy | wols: please give me a minute, i'm checking logs |
| 12:49.30 | darkfuneral | r-pipe is getting input but R isn't showing any |
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| 12:50.55 | rumpsy | i'm gonna restart my GDM.. |
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| 12:51.06 | rumpsy | tell me check this |
| 12:51.12 | rumpsy | let me check this |
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| 12:53.07 | do0ob | any openoffice impress users here? |
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| 12:53.25 | do0ob | When i'm editing it looks like this http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8933/46345511.png (nice) but when its on screen it looks like this: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/108/61588600zy.png (what happened...) |
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| 12:57.08 | rumpsy | Still same problem :( |
| 12:57.32 | rumpsy | i checked all the whole, i'm using nv, sure |
| 12:57.33 | abrotman | do0ob: is that to make an SVG ? |
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| 12:58.29 | do0ob | abrotman: its an openoffice presentation, when i'm designing it, it looks fine, but when i press F5 to show it, the quality drops |
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| 13:00.53 | abrotman | do0ob: there is a #openoffice.org (i thought you creating an SVG and was going to suggest inkscape) |
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| 13:03.25 | niklaswe- | hmm any ide about this problem http://snelhest.se/~niklas/xbmc-error |
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| 13:04.37 | rumpsy | I'm gonna check again, restart GDM :( |
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| 13:07.00 | renton_ | hello can i use icedove with yahoo imap? |
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| 13:07.47 | wols | if yahoo does standard imap, yes |
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| 13:09.05 | renton_ | i fail to authenticate.. don't know why |
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| 13:10.48 | abrotman | and there's no error message? |
| 13:10.59 | renton_ | it says, failed autentication |
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| 13:11.17 | renton_ | googling i found people saying IMAP works on yahoo, others say no |
| 13:11.36 | renton_ | the server imap.mail.yahoo.com exists and works |
| 13:12.04 | renton_ | "telnet imap.mail.yahoo.com 143" works |
| 13:12.16 | renton_ | * OK IMAP4rev1 server ready (3.5.62) |
| 13:12.23 | wols | renton_: and what does your logging in say when done via telnet? |
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| 13:12.41 | renton_ | really i never tried to login via telnet |
| 13:12.50 | renton_ | i should look around the commands to do it :) |
| 13:13.03 | wols | a10 login <user> <password> |
| 13:13.10 | wols | as long as it allows PLAIN |
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| 13:13.45 | renton_ | a10 NO [NOPERM] LOGIN failure. Access denied |
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| 13:15.50 | rumpsy | please help me, no change.. still i see my cpu peaks to 90% when i drag or move any window on desktop, here is my xorg.conf, http://pastie.org/801773 |
| 13:15.50 | kjhkj | hi, anybody here with electronics knowledge? if so have a look here please http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/470/max232.png and tell me how to read the pins on the MAX232? is it backside or logo side |
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| 13:16.15 | xk | kjhkj: logo side. |
| 13:16.17 | kjhkj | damn electronics channel requires registration |
| 13:16.18 | rumpsy | kjhkj: please move to #spakfun |
| 13:16.27 | rumpsy | sorry sparkfun* |
| 13:16.27 | wols | kjhkj: debian is too advanced to need electronics. ask in ##electronics or such |
| 13:16.37 | rumpsy | wols^^ |
| 13:16.50 | kjhkj | xk, you sure? is that industry standard? |
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| 13:17.04 | rumpsy | wols: this is my xorg.conf file, please see that, http://pastie.org/801773 |
| 13:17.26 | wols | rumpsy: this file is pretty much utterly useless for your problem |
| 13:17.44 | rumpsy | Then? |
| 13:17.55 | wols | if you don't have any philosophical qualms about using closed source, use the nvidia drivers |
| 13:17.59 | wols | try those |
| 13:18.26 | wols | your xorg.conf doesn't say anything about your videodriver (which is normal for new Xorg) |
| 13:18.28 | rumpsy | you mean, non-free drivers ! |
| 13:18.35 | wols | yes I do |
| 13:20.52 | xk | kjhkj: whats the problem? doesn't work when you connect it with logo/top side? |
| 13:21.43 | rumpsy | how can i disable x frame buffer? |
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| 13:22.47 | renton_ | unbelievable.. |
| 13:22.53 | renton_ | i'm in a another person inbox.. |
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| 13:23.47 | kjhkj | xk, yep won't work and some guy from ##electronics says it's numbered looking at the logo side |
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| 13:24.07 | kjhkj | xk, so you were right |
| 13:25.18 | renton_ | yahoo mobile mail has big security flaw |
| 13:25.51 | renton_ | not big, huge |
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| 13:27.16 | renton_ | where can i send notice to yahoo security team |
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| 13:28.36 | wols | #debian showld know about yahoo why? |
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| 13:28.51 | thehurley | hello |
| 13:29.11 | thehurley | is anyone here using eGTK theme in lenny? |
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| 13:29.36 | wols | thehurley: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 13:29.58 | wols | renton_: tried to google it? e.g. security.yahoo.com ? |
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| 13:30.09 | LuciusMare | hello |
| 13:30.54 | LuciusMare | i have squeeze, and i have problems installing python-dbg - Failed to fetch http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python2.5/python2.5-dbg_2.5.4-3_i386.deb 404 Not Found ; |
| 13:30.57 | LuciusMare | Failed to fetch http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-dbg_2.5.4-5_all.deb 404 Not Found |
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| 13:31.48 | thehurley | i'm tyring to get the eGTK theme working in lenny. but when i install it, the theme has a "?" over it in the appearance applet |
| 13:32.10 | wols | LuciusMare: worked fine for the link on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/python-dbg/download |
| 13:32.20 | wols | LuciusMare: all you can do is choose another mirror |
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| 13:33.14 | wols | LuciusMare: considering your version is very much outdated. update your apt repo |
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| 13:36.48 | liable | ah, the grumpy bastard returns! |
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| 13:39.42 | liable | oh dear |
| 13:39.50 | LuciusMare | thanks,yes, my repos was outdated |
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| 13:40.49 | p0g0__ | liable: you talking to yourself? |
| 13:41.04 | liable | p0g0__: usually, yes. :( |
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| 13:43.32 | wols | liable: I am very grumpy. they stole my /usr/bin/locate! |
| 13:43.53 | abrotman | they? |
| 13:44.07 | liable | did they? |
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| 13:44.27 | liable | hmm, i dont appear to have it either |
| 13:44.27 | wols | yes THEY did |
| 13:44.38 | craigevil | they who? aliens? |
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| 13:45.05 | wols | liable: mlocate replaces it |
| 13:45.17 | liable | and thats a problem? |
| 13:45.19 | craigevil | $ which locate /usr/bin/locate |
| 13:45.29 | p0g0__ | I've a /usr/bin/locate... |
| 13:45.38 | p0g0__ | wanna buy it? |
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| 13:46.10 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Flocate&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 13:46.21 | ridoo | hey guys .. I've installed a package with dkpg, but apt-get doesn't recognize the package being installed. isn't there a sync between apt-get and dpkg? |
| 13:46.22 | wols | p0g0__: yours is old and outdated. I don't want defective goods |
| 13:46.29 | liable | i dont appear to have mlocate either.. |
| 13:46.42 | wols | liable: you will, if you install it |
| 13:46.51 | liable | thats a bit rude |
| 13:46.57 | liable | not to replace it |
| 13:46.59 | p0g0__ | I have both- a recent sidux install, 2.6.31-5.... |
| 13:47.04 | wols | ridoo: doesn't recognize in which way |
| 13:47.14 | wols | p0g0__: better check the channel you're in |
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| 13:47.36 | ridoo | wols, apt-get wants to install these packages as dependencies from another package |
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| 13:47.59 | wols | liable: you can imagine my panic if I did a "locate" and I got an error. almost got a heart attack. and yes, no replacing it is not the usual service I expect from THEM |
| 13:48.12 | liable | hehe |
| 13:48.26 | Arrowmaster | maybe theres an update or the version you installed doesnt meet the version required by the other package |
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| 13:49.04 | liable | wols: i think you should rant about it on the devel list :) |
| 13:49.09 | wols | ridoo: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 13:50.03 | ridoo | wols, policy says: Installed: (None) |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | ridoo: what package was it? |
| 13:50.30 | abrotman | ridoo: the full name of the .deb |
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| 13:50.37 | ridoo | wols, what I installed is an empty dummy package for texlive (I use texlive from a DVD distribution) |
| 13:50.43 | ridoo | abhinay, |
| 13:50.54 | ridoo | sorry, meant abrotman |
| 13:51.05 | liable | abortman |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | yea |
| 13:51.20 | wols | ridoo: dpkg -l <package>. full output of that |
| 13:52.18 | ridoo | wols, here you are : http://pastie.org/801804 |
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| 13:52.48 | ridoo | looks not so healthy, I guess |
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| 13:53.23 | wols | and your other packages depend on a package specifically named "texlive-dummy" with version 1.0 or greater? |
| 13:53.35 | wols | or do they depend on "texlive"? |
| 13:54.38 | ridoo | well .. I want to install asciidoc .. apt-cache show says, it depends only on python .. I don't know, which package wants to install tex |
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| 13:55.48 | wols | apt-cache show ascii-doc |grep Recommends |
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| 13:56.27 | ridoo | wols, this is the package input used to create with equivs :http://pastie.org/801809 |
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| 13:57.52 | wols | ridoo: check the version of texlive in debian |
| 13:57.55 | ridoo | wols, that makes no sense .. why apt-get install asciidoc says: The following extra packages will be installed: dblatex ...... texlive .. etc |
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| 13:58.22 | ridoo | wols, it is 2007 .. I use 2008 |
| 13:58.27 | wols | cause recommends are installed by default since at least etch |
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| 13:58.51 | wols | you have a dummy package version named 1.0, not 2008 or 2007 |
| 13:58.51 | iluminator101 | i installed a new kernel but my wifi and eth0 are not working is there something i need to do |
| 13:59.02 | ridoo | wols, oh .. didn't recognized this yet :/ .. however .. is there a switch changing this behaviour? |
| 13:59.30 | wols | ridoo: apt config flags |
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| 14:00.07 | ridoo | wols, you mean, it's better to change the version of the package ? 2008.dfsg.???~lenny2 or something? |
| 14:00.07 | wols | ridoo: APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
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| 14:00.24 | wols | I suggest to make it the same version as is in lenny |
| 14:00.40 | renton_ | ok, i notified the flaw to security@yahoo-inc.com |
| 14:00.40 | ridoo | okay |
| 14:00.51 | ridoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.01 | ridoo | gives it a try :) |
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| 14:01.36 | cgroza | hello |
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| 14:01.59 | cgroza | i want to install debian, can you tell me how much time it takes to install? |
| 14:02.20 | wols | can't. depends on your hardware, how much of debian you want to install, etc |
| 14:02.34 | Flash_ | also whether installing from usb, network or cdrom |
| 14:02.58 | cgroza | i want to install from CD 1 |
| 14:03.01 | cgroza | 256 mb ram |
| 14:03.05 | iluminator101 | i installed a new kernel but my wifi and eth0 are not working is there something i need to do |
| 14:03.16 | Flash_ | just debian base, from cd, average workstation pc - about 20 mins or so |
| 14:03.36 | cgroza | well gnome is included in cd 1 |
| 14:03.38 | cgroza | ? |
| 14:03.41 | wols | iluminator101: a new kernel from debian.org? |
| 14:03.58 | cahoot | cgroza: 32.5 mins then |
| 14:04.00 | wols | cgroza: yes. if it'S the full 700MB CD |
| 14:04.01 | Flash_ | you probably don't want to run gnome in 256m |
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| 14:04.19 | wols | Flash_: I did. was OK. not a problem |
| 14:04.23 | iluminator101 | wols yes debian squeeze kernel 2.6.30-2 |
| 14:04.28 | cgroza | wols,its the 700 mb cd |
| 14:04.32 | Flash_ | fair enough. you may be more patient than me :) |
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| 14:04.43 | abrotman | iluminator101: which devices ? |
| 14:04.49 | wols | iluminator101: what network chips are they? did you try if there are other network devices? (ifconfig -a) |
| 14:04.53 | cgroza | Flas_:i run ubuntu with 256 mb of ram and 700 mb swap |
| 14:05.04 | iluminator101 | wlan0 and eth0, both with work in my older kernel are not working |
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| 14:05.05 | cgroza | it rus pretty well |
| 14:06.32 | iluminator101 | i am on the other kernel i would have to go the new kernel first to makes changes but on it say no device found |
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| 14:06.42 | cgroza | thank you |
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| 14:07.04 | wols | iluminator101: your hardware doesn't change due to different kernels you run... so what devices? |
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| 14:07.19 | iluminator101 | wols wlan0 and eth0 |
| 14:07.35 | wols | wlan0 and eth0 are no devices. a realtek 8169 is a device |
| 14:07.35 | ridoo | wols, asciidoc wants to install texlive anyway .. even with texlive-dummy Version set to 2007.dfsg.2-1~lenny2 |
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| 14:08.10 | wols | ridoo: either find out exactly which package needs texlive or disable recommends as I shown above |
| 14:08.19 | iluminator101 | wols eth0 Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX wlan0 dell 1390 |
| 14:08.29 | wols | if you know which package needs it, it's easier to debug and convice it not to need it |
| 14:08.35 | abrotman | iluminator101: lspci -nn |
| 14:08.57 | ridoo | wols, yes this would be the next step .. although the other seems to be cleaner ;) |
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| 14:09.36 | iluminator101 | abortman http://debian.pastebin.com/d6f30a239 |
| 14:10.21 | simmerz | any reason an upgrade from etch -> lenny (Xen host) would not allow me to boot a Xen 3.2 hypervisor kernel? |
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| 14:10.52 | iluminator101 | on the wifi, i had used ndiswrapper and had to install it manually....eth0 usually always works out the box |
| 14:11.36 | wols | seems you need a "b44" driver |
| 14:11.50 | wols | and that one should be in debian just fine |
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| 14:12.02 | wols | but then, it's Broadcom :( |
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| 14:12.44 | iluminator101 | why isnt wlan0 and eth0 in devices |
| 14:13.07 | ridoo | wols, thanks for your advice .. put a 06norecommends in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 14:13.19 | phogg | iluminator101: you mean in /dev ? |
| 14:13.20 | ridoo | works and asciidoc installs perfectly :) |
| 14:13.35 | iluminator101 | phogg yes thats what i mean |
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| 14:14.47 | iluminator101 | so each time you install new kernels you have to install network drivers again manually or |
| 14:15.33 | phogg | iluminator101: the device files for network devices have not existed for a long time. This is normal. |
| 14:15.44 | wols | no. but you really should install a current proper debian kernel. 2.6.30-2 is not in any debian right now. the current debian kernels all have a b44 kernel module |
| 14:15.52 | wols | if that module gives you an error, show us |
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| 14:16.26 | abrotman | !tell iluminator101 about bcm4311 |
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| 14:16.56 | abrotman | and your NIC probably needs firmware too |
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| 14:17.03 | abrotman | aptitude search firmware |
| 14:19.15 | simmerz | what does this mean? I'm getting a hang on boot: http://pastie.org/801829 |
| 14:19.39 | simmerz | xen 3.0 worked with etch. now trying to upgrade to lenny / 3.2 and it's not booting :( |
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| 14:21.14 | arafangion | "it" is a very vague term. |
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| 14:23.01 | simmerz | arafangion: my machine is hanging at the point you can see in the pastie |
| 14:23.25 | simmerz | and i'm trying to work out what I've done wrong, but i'm stumped |
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| 14:24.41 | iluminator101 | so if i boot up the other kernel and install native windows for eth0 and wlan0 i should be good to go right |
| 14:24.57 | iluminator101 | drivers* |
| 14:25.11 | iluminator101 | with ndiswrapper |
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| 14:25.45 | arafangion | simmerz: I've never used xen, however, from that pastie, I assume that "it" is the guest operating system, and that the kernel hasn't begun to boot. So it would therefore be a problem with the xen kernel, rather than your disk configuration, initrd, or anything else. |
| 14:25.59 | simmerz | arafangion: no. the *host* OS |
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| 14:26.27 | simmerz | arafangion: sorry, i see the ambiguity in "it" now |
| 14:26.29 | WE_Linker | hei |
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| 14:27.49 | arafangion | simmerz: Well, something's hanging before it gets to actually run the kernel - you probably already knew that but I'm tired and not being pleasant. |
| 14:27.55 | arafangion | simmerz: I should get some sleep. |
| 14:28.22 | simmerz | arafangion: yeah. trying to work out what it's trying to do at this particular point in time |
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| 14:29.18 | simmerz | it's something to do with Xen, not the linux kernel though. Xen 3.0 gets to booting, but crashes on the lenny kernel, but boots on the etch one. just then can't start vms |
| 14:29.27 | arafangion | simmerz: Good luck - I'd consider compiling or getting a new kernel, quite possibly non-xen, getting that to work, and then re-checking out the xen stuff. Ahh, so you've already done that. |
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| 14:29.39 | arafangion | simmerz: There must be a version conflict somewhere. |
| 14:29.50 | WE_Linker | i got a mistake by i install the gzome |
| 14:29.53 | simmerz | maybe uninstall Xen 3.0, which for some reason is still installed? |
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| 14:30.06 | WE_Linker | can you help me |
| 14:30.41 | arafangion | Perhaps, but I'd take careful note as to everything you add or remove. You'd hate to find that something you did inexplicably works. |
| 14:30.51 | LuciusMare | WE_Linker: of course, you have to type "i am dumb" three times and your problem will magically diagnose and fix |
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| 14:31.01 | themill | dpkg: tell WE_Linker about remove gnome |
| 14:31.05 | WE_Linker | the system told me to repair the udev |
| 14:31.16 | themill | eh? |
| 14:31.17 | simmerz | arafangion: true enough |
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| 14:31.36 | User_007 | guys, i need some help. My laptop keyboard lost a key (circuit problem), and i have some keys that i dont use, is there some way to put the lost key funcion on another key? |
| 14:32.03 | User_007 | the lost key is the right arrow, |
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| 14:32.20 | arafangion | User_007: Yes, you can, however, the arrow keys aren't really that important. |
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| 14:32.31 | User_007 | i use them so much |
| 14:32.44 | arafangion | User_007: Use a different editor. (I recommend vim) |
| 14:32.50 | User_007 | do you know how to change it |
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| 14:33.12 | User_007 | but i dont use the arrow to editor, but from common usage |
| 14:33.14 | arafangion | User_007: I forget teh details, it's something along the lines of using xmodmap. |
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| 14:34.38 | cgroza | hello,i have windows and ubuntu dualboot, if i try to install debian on the ubuntu partition will i have problems with grub? |
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| 14:35.43 | arafangion | cgroza: Do a backup anyway. |
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| 14:36.49 | PovAddict | yesterday I couldn't even login to X because the letter keys caused three letters to be typed ([A] key typed 'aAa') |
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| 14:37.11 | PovAddict | I fixed it by upgrading all X-related packages (I was only a week or so out of date; on squeeze) |
| 14:37.23 | PovAddict | but now many keys still don't work properly |
| 14:37.26 | cgroza | arafangion:i do not have important files... all i risc is just a game |
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| 14:37.42 | arafangion | User_007: Consider getting a replacement keyboard, you might be lucky and get one from ebay or something. |
| 14:37.48 | PovAddict | - delete key doesn't delete |
| 14:37.52 | PovAddict | - Page Up goes one page up and types a slash |
| 14:37.57 | PovAddict | - Page Down opens the context menu |
| 14:38.15 | cgroza | PovAddict:what is the keyboard layout? |
| 14:38.16 | PovAddict | - AltGr correctly acts as a modifier but also sends an Enter keypress |
| 14:38.34 | PovAddict | latin american |
| 14:39.15 | arafangion | PovAddict: It doesn't sound like US-American. |
| 14:39.17 | cgroza | check your settings |
| 14:39.45 | PovAddict | xev shows the weirdness as I described |
| 14:40.03 | PovAddict | Page Up generates Prior and KP_Divide keysyms |
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| 14:40.59 | PovAddict | Down arrow sends Down and Super_R; AltGr sends ISO_Level3_Shift and KP_Enter |
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| 14:41.17 | cgroza | PovAddict:im not in ubuntu right now... go to your keyboard settings and check if the settings are the same as the keyboard layout |
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| 14:41.41 | PovAddict | ubuntu? I thought this was #debian? :P |
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| 14:41.58 | arafangion | was just thinking that - hell must've frozen over - we're helping Ubuntu users now? |
| 14:42.07 | cgroza | PovAddict:its almost the same , GNOME :D |
| 14:42.10 | PovAddict | I'm on Debian Squeeze with KDE |
| 14:42.19 | manuel__ | hi i using moc but every time when i start i start focused in the directory screen |
| 14:42.25 | cgroza | ohh, my mistake |
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| 14:42.32 | manuel__ | how can i chnage that to start in the playlist screen? |
| 14:42.34 | manuel__ | many thanks |
| 14:42.40 | arafangion | manuel__: moc? |
| 14:42.40 | Orange1 | Escuchando Is It My Body Alice Cooper Mi banda y blogs re pelotudos eenn --> www.reverbnation.com/diegopop ...y dijo FAGU "asdkjasDIEGOPOP!!YEAH YEAH!! KOOL KOOL!! asjdsasak" |
| 14:42.49 | manuel__ | music player on console |
| 14:42.51 | PovAddict | my KDE settings show "-model pc104 -layout latam -variant" |
| 14:42.55 | PovAddict | Orange1: turn that crap off please |
| 14:42.59 | manuel__ | quite goood |
| 14:43.03 | PovAddict | oh he's a spammer |
| 14:43.07 | arafangion | manuel__: Interesting, I was thinking "Meta-Object-Compiler". |
| 14:43.26 | User_007 | how can i know what xmodmap am i using? |
| 14:43.28 | Orange1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.56 | Orange1 | damn damn i can't turn this |
| 14:44.08 | arafangion | Orange1: Yes, yes, you can. |
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| 14:44.47 | PovAddict | themill +1 |
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| 14:44.58 | arafangion | PovAddict: Bah! |
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| 14:45.06 | arafangion | themill++ <-- More modern syntax. |
| 14:45.22 | User_007 | i need to change xmodmap on /usr/share? |
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| 14:46.07 | wols | arafangion: pah! inc themill |
| 14:46.07 | PovAddict | there's some serious bug here |
| 14:46.10 | arafangion | wols: Pascal? |
| 14:46.11 | wols | User_007: you shouldn't need to |
| 14:46.23 | PovAddict | I can setxkbmap on a console, and now the arrow keys don't work at all |
| 14:46.27 | PovAddict | ran* |
| 14:46.41 | wols | arafangion: x86 assembler. small cheating I guess. inc [themill] if themill is a memory location |
| 14:46.51 | User_007 | wols how to change keys functions? |
| 14:47.19 | themill | wols: but am I? |
| 14:47.36 | wols | themill: you damn as hell aren't a register. you're not _that_ important :P |
| 14:47.52 | themill | *sniff* |
| 14:48.01 | wols | User_007: there might be xmodmap editors. if not, editing a file it is, yes |
| 14:48.13 | arafangion | wols: Interesting, you don't need to use a specifier to indicate what type of memory it is - the assembler works that out for you? (I only know very low-level 8051 assembler) |
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| 14:48.58 | wols | arafangion: depends on the assembler really. but when you define the memory location you do something like "db 0" or "dw 0" which indicates size, byte or word |
| 14:48.59 | User_007 | the default keyboard (English) is xmodmap.us? |
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| 14:50.19 | arafangion | wols: Nifty. In the assembler I use, certain letters have particular meaning. (Eg, 'a' is always the accumulator, 'r' is a register, and so on, so the second register is r1.) |
| 14:50.37 | wols | what ISA? |
| 14:51.04 | WE_Linker | internet service account |
| 14:51.12 | WE_Linker | ISA |
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| 14:51.18 | WE_Linker | haha |
| 14:51.20 | wols | in a way it's the same for x86 btw: AX is accumulator, BX is base register, CX count register, etc |
| 14:51.40 | arafangion | wols: #'s indicate addresses. |
| 14:52.12 | arafangion | wols: 8-bit architectures are fun. :) |
| 14:52.29 | WE_Linker | i have a question by install gdm |
| 14:53.06 | User_007 | how can i know what keyboardmap am i using? |
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| 14:53.33 | WE_Linker | the error is xserver-xorg-core dependency udev(>=149( |
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| 14:53.52 | arafangion | User_007: Not sure, but it's not really relevant for you. Just write up a tiny script, and stick it in your user startup scripts. |
| 14:53.54 | WE_Linker | who can told me what can i do |
| 14:54.16 | LFC_fan|inactive | guys can you recommend me an Chromium build for i686 (yes Chromium not Chrome) |
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| 14:54.34 | LFC_fan|inactive | I mean a package |
| 14:54.46 | User_007 | sorry, i dont know how to script, xD |
| 14:54.53 | wols | WE_Linker: what debian version is it? |
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| 14:55.34 | arafangion | User_007: Instead of typing onto a command line, type it into a file. Make the file executable by using chmod +x, and then you have a script. |
| 14:55.58 | User_007 | ok, but i dont know what i need to script... |
| 14:56.03 | LFC_fan|inactive | brb |
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| 14:56.13 | arafangion | Ahh, that's the rub. Sorry I must get to bed now. :( |
| 14:56.17 | arafangion | (It's 2am) |
| 14:56.17 | wols | WE_Linker: it sounds llike you need to upgrade to the debian version you use the repositories from |
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| 14:57.06 | Adebrian | hi, my initrd is broken with an update and i can't boot into my system now, i'v now booted into an ubuntu livecd, how can i fix my debian install? |
| 14:57.12 | wols | User_007: http://www.google.com/search?q=X11+remapping+keys |
| 14:57.25 | User_007 | ty |
| 14:57.45 | wols | Adebrian: mount your debian, chroot to it, install a new kernel. but: your old kernel should still work. can't you boot that one? |
| 14:58.17 | Adebrian | wols: i removed the old kernel due to low disk space on the boot partitition |
| 14:58.33 | arafangion | Then reinstall it. |
| 14:58.41 | wols | ouch. now you learned why you never should do that :P |
| 14:58.48 | Adebrian | wols: are there any instructions how i can chroot into debian (i've come for a gentoo background, does it differ at any point) |
| 14:58.55 | manuel__ | is it possible to exclude a window from the show desktop funtiocn in openbox so that this window is still open? |
| 14:58.55 | Adebrian | wols: yeah :) |
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| 14:59.08 | wols | Adebrian: doesn't really differ. mount <partition>;chroot <mountpoint> |
| 14:59.33 | wols | and dueto the magic of grub, no need to fiddle with /dev |
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| 15:00.07 | Adebrian | wols: oh great :) i just wanted to ask about mounting the /dev, /proc part |
| 15:00.14 | Adebrian | no need for that |
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| 15:00.32 | jeffrey_ | When I install a package, how does the system know if there's another version of the package already installed? |
| 15:00.45 | wols | since the kernel only needs to change a file inside the chroot, that is not necessary here. it's only needed when reinstalling grub itself to the MBR |
| 15:01.05 | wols | jeffrey_: the system keeps a database of all installed packages |
| 15:01.22 | wols | you can display it by dpkg -l for example |
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| 15:01.53 | jeffrey_ | wols: Where/what file does it keep those information? |
| 15:02.28 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.59 | User_007 | thank you all |
| 15:03.15 | wols | do not play around with this file, no matter what if you do, the chance to irreversibly desotrying your debian install rapidly approaches certainty |
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| 15:03.40 | wols | e.g. no matter your current problem, editing the status file makes it worse |
| 15:03.48 | craigevil | LFC_fan|inactive: there is a 3rd party repo (not supported in #debian), deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 15:04.16 | wols | craigevil: nice domainname. inspires a lot of confidence :) |
| 15:04.24 | jeffrey_ | wols: OK, thank you |
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| 15:05.12 | Adebrian | wols: crap :( i can't chroot because the architecture of the livecd differs with the system.. seems that there is no other solution then to burn a amd64 cd |
| 15:05.32 | wols | Adebrian: no. here is a way |
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| 15:05.42 | wols | it's hackish, but there is a way |
| 15:06.02 | wols | unpack your new kernel. copy it over to /boot on the disk. initrd too |
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| 15:06.21 | wols | then edit the menu.lst to makit it point the new kernel and initrd file(s) |
| 15:06.30 | craigevil | wols: meh its from one of the sidux ppl, but it works |
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| 15:06.59 | jeffrey_ | wols: I viewed the file /var/lib/dpkg/status, it's a text file. Does the system search this file to tell if the package already installed? But I think searching a text file is not an efficient way. |
| 15:07.02 | judd | Hey everyone, I'm back and I'm a new man! Thanks to jelly and themill for resurrecting me. Please let them know if you see any misfeatures or have any problems. |
| 15:07.05 | wols | craigevil: the domainname is a german word. an unflattering one |
| 15:07.21 | craigevil | LFC_fan|inactive: why not just use Chrome? |
| 15:07.36 | wols | jeffrey_: are you damaged by windows binary only dataformats? my condolences |
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| 15:08.24 | wols | judd: advertising your greatness to get a register renamed to your name is a big misfeature |
| 15:08.32 | wols | oops. should be for themill |
| 15:09.12 | themill | heh |
| 15:11.04 | jeffrey_ | wols: No, I just think if there's some more efficent way, such as some database method. |
| 15:11.37 | arafangion | jeffrey_: Try doing some measurements. |
| 15:12.03 | wols | jeffrey_: to be fair, dpkg and apt do take a lot of time on my 486 :) |
| 15:12.09 | arafangion | jeffrey_: You'll find that using a good text-only format competes surprisingly well, not to mention the improved maintenance. |
| 15:12.20 | Texou | hi :) |
| 15:12.20 | themill | jeffrey_: the advantages of being able to repair such an important file yourself far outweigh any speed improvements that might exist on the occasional time you install or upgrade something. |
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| 15:12.28 | PovAddict | welp... |
| 15:12.31 | PovAddict | we're getting worse every minute |
| 15:12.32 | arafangion | It _would_ be nice if dpkg didn't need to pull quite so much from disk each time. |
| 15:12.48 | PovAddict | I installed kernel and nvidia updates |
| 15:13.06 | wols | !blame nvidia |
| 15:13.16 | PovAddict | now X won't start and the keyboard layout is fucked up in the ttys too (seems to be using US layout) |
| 15:13.17 | themill | arafangion: the embedded people are pushing that more and more and things are being split out of the Packages files etc. |
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| 15:13.25 | dpkg | blames lipsin and nvidia for all the evil in the world |
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| 15:13.55 | PovAddict | bbiab |
| 15:14.06 | wols | PovAddict: unless you do the nvidia drivers thedebianway(tm) this will always happen |
| 15:14.16 | wols | well, not the keyboard layout thing but the other one |
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| 15:14.42 | WE_Linker | wols:sorry,i am left a few minute |
| 15:14.46 | arafangion | themill: Doesn't surprise me. When I upgraded my system - new HDD (Twice as fast as the old one), I noticed performance improvements in three applications: Firefox (Mostly due to better javascript interpreter), Evolution (Not hard) - and Apt. |
| 15:14.53 | wols | themill: number of packages grew before embedded people were pushing at the same rate |
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| 15:17.03 | arafangion | still, a well-designed textual format is only little slower than a well-designed binary format, not an order of magnitude. |
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| 15:18.03 | PovAddict | ok, nvidia back working |
| 15:18.07 | PovAddict | problems left: |
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| 15:18.47 | PovAddict | ttys still have US keyboard layout (should be latam), and X keyboard layout is still messed up (Page Up key typing a slash) |
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| 15:19.10 | wols | WE_Linker: please do not message people unasked |
| 15:20.58 | wols | PovAddict: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 15:21.59 | PovAddict | dpkg seems busy :) |
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| 15:22.17 | dpkg | PovAddict: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 15:22.58 | wols | dpkg is probably on comcast and is p2ping too much on the side |
| 15:23.10 | themill | dpkg: hurry up! |
| 15:23.13 | PovAddict | ah sorry, my /msg hadn't goet sent at all (because keypad Enter is sending Down arrow instead) |
| 15:23.17 | dpkg | wols: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:23.30 | dpkg | no fsck you! |
| 15:23.47 | PovAddict | wtf |
| 15:23.51 | PovAddict | console-data not installed at all? |
| 15:24.19 | wols | PovAddict: updated libc lately? |
| 15:24.31 | PovAddict | I updated around 160 packages |
| 15:24.34 | PovAddict | been a week on vacation :P |
| 15:24.51 | wols | so you run sueeze or sid? and you ask why something is not working properly? shame on you |
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| 15:25.06 | PovAddict | yes, Ii run squeeze |
| 15:25.17 | PovAddict | looks at his non-working Delete key |
| 15:26.10 | PovAddict | aptitude says the console-setup package is in removed state ('c', not 'p') |
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| 15:29.27 | dvs | I guess the topic needs to be updated, huh. |
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| 15:31.02 | Texou | :) |
| 15:31.12 | Texou | debian 5.0.4 is out! cool :) |
| 15:31.18 | Texou | the topic should be updated |
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| 15:31.30 | dvs | i just said that! |
| 15:31.39 | Texou | :) |
| 15:31.46 | Texou | not seen |
| 15:31.55 | abrotman | link to statement on list ? |
| 15:32.16 | PovAddict | even http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ still says 5.0.3 |
| 15:32.22 | themill | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100130 (I'm just updating dpkg atm) |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | i was asking them so i could update it .. but have at it! |
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| 15:34.57 | Texou | cool the kernel updated |
| 15:35.05 | Texou | I hope the security bug is solved |
| 15:35.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm sitting here doing my taxes and was wondering if anyone knows how to print envelopes with OpenOffice writer? I went to Insert menu, Envelope. Printed on plain paper and it cuts off so Im guessing I need to find out how to change the envelope size. Anyone help me? |
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| 15:35.41 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> lenny (debian 5.0.4) released /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 15:35.50 | dvs | yay |
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| 15:36.00 | Texou | good! :D |
| 15:36.03 | abrotman | is holding out for 4.0r9 |
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| 15:36.17 | dvs | heh |
| 15:36.26 | Texou | abrotman: lol |
| 15:36.42 | abrotman | sends themill off to OFTC :) |
| 15:36.50 | dvs | gotta luv those etch-a-sketches! |
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| 15:37.01 | k\t | everytime i use startx X after boot, my screen just goes blank. i'm using the intel driver. any suggestions? |
| 15:37.03 | themill | abrotman: it's not in /topic there at all |
| 15:37.12 | abrotman | blames zobel! |
| 15:37.31 | k\t | s/X// |
| 15:37.32 | dvs | k\t: /etc/x11/xorg.log ? |
| 15:37.49 | k\t | when X fails, the log is not produced. |
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| 15:38.01 | mcgregor | hi |
| 15:38.01 | abrotman | k\t: aptitude install xorg ? |
| 15:38.02 | k\t | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.15 | mcgregor | is anyone in here using "powertop"? |
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| 15:38.31 | k\t | abrotman: wwould that be reinstall ? |
| 15:38.48 | abrotman | k\t: i'm wondering if it installs anything |
| 15:38.50 | abrotman | mcgregor: i have .. why? |
| 15:39.21 | k\t | i normally use apt-get, i'll try in a sec. |
| 15:39.35 | mcgregor | since some time is show strange result for my powerusage when I am on battery. like 3,x Watts .. it used to be 3x,y watts. something seems to be wrong there |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | normally i'd give you a lecture about using apt-get ... |
| 15:39.55 | k\t | ?! what |
| 15:40.03 | abrotman | mcgregor: in squeeze/sid ? |
| 15:40.08 | mcgregor | yeah |
| 15:40.12 | abrotman | checked the BTS ? |
| 15:40.22 | mcgregor | not yet |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | mcgregor: that should really be your first stop when checking for a bug |
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| 15:42.16 | topi` | anyone here with a macbook? I have great trouble getting any device node to appear for my synaptics touchpad. ('appletouch') |
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| 15:42.35 | topi` | is there any magic for that? I already changed the load order of 'usbhid' and 'appletouch' |
| 15:43.16 | k\t | just a little about what happened: xorg-intel worked fine. i played with zsnes and when i toggled fullscreen output it killed my xserver. After that happened i tried using startx again, but my laptop just went blank with the backlight lit. so now i'm unable to use the intel driver until...? |
| 15:43.41 | abrotman | k\t: tried vesa? |
| 15:43.49 | k\t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.48 | k\t | let me try aptitude xorg... |
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| 15:49.03 | abrotman | judd: i love you |
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| 15:50.14 | mcgregor | abrotman, ok, I looked into BTS. you were right, I should have been looked there first. the problem has been reported. sry for bothering you |
| 15:50.36 | P3t3 | Why does debian squeeze come with so many packages? When I tried to upgrade it wants to install 1000+ new packages. Why? Isn't this bloating the PC? |
| 15:50.52 | abrotman | you already have 1000+ packages installed ? |
| 15:50.58 | dvs | P3t3: depends what you want to install |
| 15:51.31 | P3t3 | I have 1211 packages installed many of which I don't need or needed for only 1 use |
| 15:51.39 | P3t3 | and it wants to install 1000 new ones |
| 15:51.51 | P3t3 | dvs I just want to upgrade |
| 15:51.55 | abrotman | P3t3: i doubt it .. put it in a pastebin |
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| 15:52.20 | LFC_fan|inactive | craigevil: I dont like its license :/ |
| 15:52.30 | P3t3 | abrotman I do aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 15:52.48 | Martin_vW | I'm having trouble with mailman when updating a server from etch to lenny; the preinst exits with return code 1. Is there a way to debug this script, e.g. tell dpkg it should run the script with sh -x ? |
| 15:52.57 | P3t3 | abrotman and I really don't want to do it cause it takes 20 minutes of hard work for aptitue |
| 15:53.00 | LFC_fan|inactive | those privacy part sucks in that |
| 15:53.01 | LFC_fan|inactive | :/ |
| 15:53.05 | LFC_fan|inactive | anyway brb |
| 15:54.26 | P3t3 | So is squeeze better than lenny? Is there any point of upgrading? |
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| 15:56.12 | topi` | P3t3: if you like living on the bleeding edge... :) |
| 15:56.31 | topi` | yes, definately squeeze is better, but it ultimately depends on your point of view :) |
| 15:56.32 | themill | P3t3: if you have to ask that question, then you shouldn't be upgrading at this stage. Squeeze is designed for developers and you are supposed to be capable of sorting out many problems yourself. |
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| 15:57.04 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:57.36 | DexterF | what's the filesystem of choice regarding read/write perf when it comes to large files, 300MB+ up to 15GB? |
| 15:57.52 | DexterF | *and* being light on the cpu, should mention |
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| 15:58.09 | DexterF | been running with XFS, good fs but eats a lot of cpu/mem |
| 15:58.19 | NMarcu | Somebody know how to enable a sound when PsychicMode is activated on Pidgin. |
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| 15:59.06 | Gijs | hey all |
| 15:59.19 | Gijs | is there any cmd to see the bandwith/traffic of a process? |
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| 16:01.39 | topi` | DexterF: ext4 is supposed to solve the problem with big files |
| 16:01.59 | DexterF | topi`: too new. need something tried and true, reliable |
| 16:02.09 | topi` | DexterF: then XFS is the only thing I can recommend. |
| 16:02.13 | DexterF | (does lenny support ext4 anyway) |
| 16:02.25 | DexterF | well, how about ext3 and JFS? |
| 16:02.29 | topi` | a well-tuned XFS will be just as fast as an ext4. |
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| 16:02.58 | DexterF | didn't tune anything at all. mkfs.xfs and then ran with it. |
| 16:02.59 | topi` | ext3? It doesn't have delayed allocation. the block allocator is working after every write, so if your machine is writing two big files at once, you'll get fragmentation |
| 16:03.04 | abrotman | DexterF: no, lenny does not have true support for ext4 |
| 16:03.15 | Gijs | Can anybody help me :$? |
| 16:03.25 | topi` | I don't think JFS was ever written for high performance |
| 16:03.56 | topi` | Gijs: you can try running 'strace' and capturing all network writes that way |
| 16:04.02 | DexterF | Gijs: patience. need to be per process? else there is bwm-ng. tho I have to admit I'd be interested in per-proc-bw, too |
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| 16:04.10 | abrotman | Gijs: jnettop perhaps iftop is another |
| 16:04.26 | abrotman | gives topi` the overcomplication award |
| 16:04.45 | topi` | abrotman: hey, i've used my sed scripts! because no one told me there's such thing as 'jnettop' |
| 16:04.49 | Gijs | lol what? |
| 16:04.56 | Gijs | i mean only for 1 process |
| 16:05.49 | paissad | hi all, i wrote a shell script that checks the hard disks temperatures every n minutes, & if the temperature reach a threshold i run an action ( btw, i could be shutting down the server, but i would like if it's possible to just a sort of desactiving the related disk so that it does not work anymore ) |
| 16:06.53 | abrotman | Gijs: those tools can be filtered |
| 16:07.06 | topi` | paissad: have a look at hdparm |
| 16:07.08 | Gijs | what you mean? |
| 16:08.17 | paissad | topi`, i already did actually, bu i wanted to get further ideas |
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| 16:09.04 | DexterF | paissad: well, you can tell the disk to spin down all you want, if a process talks to it the kernel will spin it up again. LianLi has a really nice 4 drive bay with a 120mm fan. how hot do your disks get? |
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| 16:10.19 | DexterF | paissad: plus: while modern desktop disks are built for lots of start/stop cycles still those two phases are a bit of a risk, I wouldnt wanna spin the disk down/up too often. cool your drives, use raid, make backups. |
| 16:10.23 | paissad | DexterF, oh, my disks are good currently, about 28°C for each drive, but i write this script for prevention |
| 16:11.08 | paissad | DexterF, i use raid1,i have fans on the disks, .. |
| 16:11.23 | DexterF | paissad: then screw that script idea |
| 16:11.36 | DexterF | unless you live on the sun |
| 16:11.47 | DexterF | no gain in it |
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| 16:12.06 | DexterF | all youll earn is trouble |
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| 16:13.15 | paissad | DexterF, ok, you think it's better no running such actions on the disks, ... then my script should only limit on checking hdd temperatures & warns me via email if there's one which reach the threshold ? |
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| 16:16.08 | paissad | what about "hdparm -y " ? |
| 16:16.14 | paissad | hdparm -Y * |
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| 16:17.43 | DexterF | paissad: well yes, monitor all you want, of course. -Y and -y jsut won't help, if processes are accessing the disk it will receive the command, execute, then wake up again |
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| 16:18.01 | paissad | ok |
| 16:18.06 | DexterF | you really worry too much here. how big are those disks? |
| 16:18.21 | paissad | 500 MB each of them |
| 16:18.25 | DexterF | you mean gb |
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| 16:18.29 | paissad | GB |
| 16:18.30 | paissad | sorry |
| 16:18.31 | DexterF | :) |
| 16:19.09 | vyrgozunqk | guys any idea how to install kde 4.4 on debian, without compiling from source, do you know any repos or etc. ?! |
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| 16:19.48 | abrotman | services. ? |
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| 16:20.07 | DexterF | my advice: get a third 500gb, same make/model and swap bays for the two in your system. once per week exchange one of the raid drives for the spare part and rebuild the raid array. that way youll always have an offline backup no older than seven days and are backup by a cooled raid1. |
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| 16:20.54 | DexterF | *and you're backed up by a ... |
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| 16:24.21 | yq | Hello, I'm currently trying to provide WPA protected wireless internet access on my mini ITX router running Debian using a crappy AVM USB stick. I managed to make it work with ndiswrapper, I think, at least iwscan works. What do I need to read up on to make this work? wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 16:24.23 | yq | Woops |
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| 16:24.33 | yq | wpa_supplicant.conf is only meant for clients? |
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| 16:25.05 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 16:25.25 | jelly-home | yq: are you sure your driver supports AP mode? |
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| 16:26.06 | jelly-home | dpkg: test |
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| 16:26.25 | yq | jelly-home: Is this necessary for ad-hoc networking? |
| 16:26.33 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 16:27.04 | yq | lsusb: Bus 005 Device 011: ID 057c:6201 AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1 |
| 16:27.07 | yq | It's that fella |
| 16:27.08 | jelly-home | yq: I don't know, but wpa didsn't sound ad-hocy for me. |
| 16:27.26 | yq | Oh? I thought you could use any encryption |
| 16:27.50 | DexterF | needs bigger disks |
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| 16:27.56 | liable | at any rate, hostapd is what you want |
| 16:28.22 | DexterF | anyone here lately build a raid5? seagate 5900.12 or Samsung Ecogreen F2? |
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| 16:28.49 | yq | liable ok thanks |
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| 16:29.33 | liable | quite possibly wont support your card though |
| 16:29.48 | liable | i cant say i have seen that one. is that lsusb output? |
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| 16:32.31 | yq | liable yes it is |
| 16:32.36 | yq | I am running it through ndiswrapper |
| 16:32.38 | yq | niflheim:~# iwconfig wlan0 mode Master; Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 16:32.39 | yq | :[ |
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| 16:33.13 | liable | yq: what module is it using? |
| 16:33.27 | yq | Kernel module? Ndiswrapper? |
| 16:33.35 | liable | oh |
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| 16:33.43 | liable | ndiswrapper. not good |
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| 16:35.28 | jhutchins | So my wireless if is still accessible with the console tools, but knetworkmanager says no devices. |
| 16:35.46 | jhutchins | All that changed was a reboot for something entirely different. Sound broke too. |
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| 16:37.15 | jhutchins | The system's also hanging at CIFS on shutdown. |
| 16:38.40 | DexterF | a decent wifi stick is like 20 bucks. I'm done with tinkering for days and screwing up my system if I can just replace the hardware. But that's just me. |
| 16:39.13 | yq | Can't you pull off ad-hoc networking with any wifi hardware? |
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| 16:39.46 | yq | Or do some devices really not support it? I don't know much about the hardware |
| 16:40.22 | DexterF | dunno, all cat6 here :D that wifi plague isn't going near my hardware |
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| 16:40.58 | DexterF | best advice: get another stick, try that one. preferable one that is known to work out of the box |
| 16:41.11 | DexterF | ndiswrapper = trouble |
| 16:41.42 | DEbiansqueeze | what wireless card are you using? |
| 16:41.55 | silidan | hi, im having trouble getting my Hama Usb 2.0 Wlan Stick running on debian lenny. here is the output of dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m5f4dc5c7 any ideas what to do? |
| 16:42.10 | yq | DEbiansqueeze: lsusb: Bus 005 Device 011: ID 057c:6201 AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1 |
| 16:42.20 | topi` | can anyone remember what has happened to xf86RAC.h in debian packaging? I can't find it, and neither can apt-file |
| 16:42.26 | DexterF | once tried to hook up a friends laptop with a realtek 8187b when it wasn't supported. after 2 weeks we simply gave up and got some usb stick (dont remember which, asus 167 i think) |
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| 16:42.43 | yq | DEbiansqueeze: http://wiki.debian.org/acx |
| 16:42.56 | jhutchins | topi`: Well, we've been on xorg instead of xf86 for quite a while now... |
| 16:42.59 | yq | It's a ACX100USB device? |
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| 16:43.23 | topi` | jhutchins: I know. I installed the xorg-dev metapackage, but I still get that error message from make |
| 16:43.26 | yq | German manufacturer, not widely known I think |
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| 16:43.30 | wols | topi`: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ast/commit/?id=d72f0faa2309cf411052f480e3da83af943eb7ac got removed in july 2009 from xorg |
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| 16:43.45 | topi` | wols: thanks |
| 16:43.47 | DexterF | yq: well here in germany it is. quite common. |
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| 16:44.03 | jhutchins | topi`: That would suggest that the package you're attempting to compile is not very current |
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| 16:44.17 | wols | DexterF: the chip is not avm but a simple, shitty TI acx100 |
| 16:44.30 | DexterF | I would have thought it was supported. tough luck I guess. |
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| 16:44.58 | yq | All the people on Debian/Ubuntu forums using it used ndiswrapper as far as I have seen :| |
| 16:45.04 | DEbiansqueeze | like you said i would look for a more popular wireless chipset |
| 16:45.19 | DexterF | yq: maybe the people in #backtrack can help you. after all, wifi is their game |
| 16:45.23 | DEbiansqueeze | ndiswrapper is terrible i used it for a long time |
| 16:45.37 | DexterF | anyway, gtg |
| 16:45.41 | wols | there is a avx driver which is shit, badly supported too :( and it didn't go into the kernel due to licenisng issues (it was RE'ed) |
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| 16:45.55 | wols | *acx |
| 16:46.48 | wols | the WLAN chip in fritzbox routers is the same but has WPA, hostap and everything support. these routers run linux by default even |
| 16:46.55 | yq | I have a FritzBox |
| 16:47.03 | topi` | jhutchins: the source is from June 2009, so one month before that file got dropped. I cannot find any newer src, so the author must have gone to other things |
| 16:47.09 | xyan | silidan: "registered new interface driver rt2500usb" and "usbcore: registered new interface driver rt73usb" so your having 2 drivers loaded which most likely ends up with troubles |
| 16:47.26 | topi` | it is a source for Displaylink output module (xf86-video-displaylink) |
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| 16:49.12 | yq | The only problem with the FritzBox is that the power adapter is suffering from a bad case of coil whine. |
| 16:49.22 | yq | I can hardly sleep when it's turned on |
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| 16:50.12 | jhutchins | Any idea why knetworkmanager in lenny would suddenly not see/manage the network interfaces? |
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| 16:50.46 | jhutchins | Did it somehow update to the version from squeze? |
| 16:50.48 | yq | My other box has a wmaster0 in ifconfig - this means that the wifi NIC supports master mode? |
| 16:51.22 | topi` | now I'm only left with PACKAGE_VERSION_MAJOR undeclared... is there something that has changed in Xorg drivers since last June? |
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| 16:52.40 | topi` | ok, defined those and now it compiles. time to test it out. |
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| 16:54.59 | jhutchins | yq: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc |
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| 16:56.28 | silidan | xyan: so i should blacklist which one? |
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| 16:57.17 | xyan | silidan: it looks like the rt73usb is the right one since it registers its led interfaces. i guess blacklist everything like rt2500usb rt2x00 |
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| 16:57.50 | silidan | will the blacklicst take effect the next time i plug it in or do i have to reboot? |
| 16:58.18 | xyan | silidan: just rmmod all the modules currently loaded and replug the device |
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| 16:58.31 | yq | jhutchins thanks |
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| 17:02.55 | jhutchins_lt | It is really annoying when stuff doesn't work as doccumented. In spite of configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, my wlan0 is not configured on boot. |
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| 17:03.22 | noocx | hello |
| 17:03.31 | silidan | xyan: still not working dmesg:http://pastebin.com/m7dcdea98 |
| 17:04.12 | xyan | silidan: do you hav the firmware in place? (/lib/firmware) |
| 17:04.18 | niklaswe | if i will allow ping from ip 66.220.2.X will the rule be like this iptables -A INPUT -p icmp -s 66.220.2.X -j ACCEPT ? |
| 17:04.21 | xyan | silidan: also pastebin the output of lsmod |
| 17:04.33 | silidan | xyan: dunno if its in place i instaleld the firmware package |
| 17:04.52 | jhutchins_lt | kernel update, maybe that'll un-break it. |
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| 17:05.27 | silidan | xyan: lsmod output http://pastebin.com/d4c258307 |
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| 17:06.09 | silidan | xyan: and yes the firmarw rt73.bin is in /lib/firmware |
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| 17:07.08 | noocx | I've got the following errors with java plugin: http://pastie.org/801931, webrick: http://pastie.org/801942 and netbeans: http://pastie.org/801949. Nothing listen on ports, no firewall etc, i've got this in hosts file: "127.0.0.1 localhost". With webrick if i use -b 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost i don't get the "WARN TCPServer Error: Address already in use - bind(2)" message. have you got any idea what could be the problem? Tell me if you need an |
| 17:07.09 | noocx | y other info! |
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| 17:07.54 | xyan | silidan: ok, there are a lot of rt2x00 things loaded still |
| 17:08.14 | xyan | silidan: keep the device plugged and try to rmmod every rt* module |
| 17:08.28 | xyan | silidan: make sure you got them all using lsmod|grep rt |
| 17:09.00 | silidan | xyan: can rmmod the rt2x00 things it says in use by rt73usb |
| 17:09.07 | silidan | or at least in use |
| 17:09.16 | xyan | silidan: then rmmod rt73usb |
| 17:09.21 | xyan | silidan: you need the right order |
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| 17:09.36 | silidan | xyan ok |
| 17:09.52 | silidan | xyan: done rmmod rt73 and co |
| 17:09.56 | noocx | i think if localhost used in applications instead of 127.0.0.1 i get the "port x is in use" error |
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| 17:10.23 | xyan | silidan: so only modprobe rt73usb and watch dmesg |
| 17:10.24 | noocx | and thanks for any help |
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| 17:11.37 | silidan | xyan: shall i blacklist rt2x00 too? |
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| 17:12.14 | xyan | silidan: not if you didnt unplug the device and modprobe rt73usb manually |
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| 17:13.11 | silidan | xyan: still the same :( |
| 17:13.22 | xyan | silidan: argh that sucks :/ |
| 17:13.27 | silidan | xyan: yep |
| 17:13.34 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're slow |
| 17:14.03 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
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| 17:14.23 | Freelancer | hej! |
| 17:14.31 | Freelancer | do you know how to rip an iso file to avi by the command line ? |
| 17:15.20 | jelly-home | Freelancer: an iso image of a dvd? |
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| 17:16.25 | xyan | silidan: btw do you see device with iwconfig at all? |
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| 17:17.09 | Freelancer | jelly-home yep... |
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| 17:17.35 | Freelancer | jelly-home but I only do have the command line |
| 17:17.59 | Matic`Makovec | Hum...personal preference and expirience question - for a server that's hosting couple of websites (let's say 5 real ones) of which 2 are a bit more popular and visited is virtualisation (openvz or something) a good choice or not? |
| 17:18.41 | jelly-home | Freelancer: mencoder would likely do the job, but ask #mplayer for details |
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| 17:19.24 | jelly-home | Freelancer: it's available from debian-multimedia, /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 17:19.36 | lk | Matic`Makovec, my boss is nuts for virtualization. If you have decent hardware on the machine, go for it. |
| 17:19.51 | GeetarJake | I've used Virtuozzo/Plesk pretty often. It can be kinda resource intensive, but it's very easy to use, and lots of support out there for it |
| 17:20.14 | Matic`Makovec | lk, does 8 core 3.2ghz processor with 8gb of ram count as good? :< |
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| 17:20.29 | lk | hahah, yes, that's very good. |
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| 17:20.39 | lk | My contention: our hardware isn't that great and our servers are way, way overloaded. |
| 17:20.50 | lk | We're running g3's, g4's, and some g5's. |
| 17:20.57 | Matic`Makovec | Oh...yeah |
| 17:21.03 | lk | Dual dual-core machines with between 4 and 9 GB of RAM. |
| 17:21.06 | EhPrettyEasy | How Many People Are Here? |
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| 17:21.18 | lk | EhPrettyEasy, 427. |
| 17:21.20 | jhutchins | EhPrettyEasy: None of them. |
| 17:21.23 | WormFood | EhPrettyEasy, all of them |
| 17:21.26 | EhPrettyEasy | :( |
| 17:21.37 | lk | Matic`Makovec, for a handful of sites virtualization would work. |
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| 17:21.45 | mharris | Matic`Makovec: I'd say it's a definite maybe. |
| 17:21.49 | WormFood | lk, no, not 427...can't count the bots |
| 17:21.49 | lk | But some of our servers have literally a hundred or more sites on them. |
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| 17:22.05 | Matic`Makovec | lk, well it's more like 5 sites of which two are more popular, others are like "meh" |
| 17:22.08 | B-rat | why is apt warning me about using "rewt" as my ident |
| 17:22.20 | Matic`Makovec | mharris, :) Definite maybe is what I have here as well :) |
| 17:22.29 | lk | Matic`Makovec, how do you suppose virtualization will help? |
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| 17:23.14 | lk | For the record, my boss still hasn't convinced me that virutalization is the holy grail, so I'm skeptical. |
| 17:23.17 | kaeser_notebook | How do I install the C.A. that freenode is actually using in debian? And will it be used by XChat right then? |
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| 17:23.52 | Matic`Makovec | lk, I'm not sure either. Might be a bit better security wise...and performance if there's smaller databases and config files |
| 17:23.55 | Matic`Makovec | Not sure as I said! |
| 17:24.23 | lk | Matic`Makovec, security and ease of backups is all I can think of... oh, and much better customization. |
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| 17:24.34 | B-rat | is apt going to bother me every time i join? |
| 17:24.35 | Matic`Makovec | That's soemthing! |
| 17:26.00 | abrotman | B-rat: eh? |
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| 17:26.05 | jhutchins | Still no wifi, although wired configures just fine in spite of being commented out in interfaces. |
| 17:26.16 | B-rat | abrotman, it thinks "rewt" is "root" |
| 17:26.22 | B-rat | (as in, my ident) |
| 17:26.35 | abrotman | B-rat: the 'apt' bot isn't in the channel |
| 17:26.49 | B-rat | it is |
| 17:27.02 | B-rat | it even has +v |
| 17:27.05 | mcgregor | it is , it is even voiced |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | oh, missed that |
| 17:27.32 | abrotman | great .. none of the owners are in here ... |
| 17:27.34 | B-rat | can i safely ignore it for the future |
| 17:27.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:27.47 | B-rat | good to know |
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| 17:30.21 | jelly-home | B-rat: or your ident could be not root-based! |
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| 17:30.52 | B-rat | jelly-home, :P |
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| 17:34.56 | jhutchins | Pretty clearly something has changed in wifi management and the documentation has yet to leak to the debian community. |
| 17:35.20 | yq | Hmm how do you set up ad-hoc networking with WPA2? |
| 17:35.32 | DEbiansqueeze | jhutchins what is actually going on? |
| 17:35.57 | yq | I don't want to use WEP : |
| 17:36.01 | yq | :|* |
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| 17:37.06 | Da_Wrecka | Holy hell, how many users in this channel? |
| 17:37.09 | lk | jhutchins, what docs are you following? |
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| 17:41.26 | CodeNinja | question, why when I shutdown does 'single' exit outside expected code flow unless I do shutdown now -h -P ? Debian Lenny, fresh install via netinstall |
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| 17:44.13 | peterrooney | Da_Wrecka: about half as many as we're used to. |
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| 17:45.06 | abrotman | well, it is the weekend |
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| 17:46.53 | noocx | ok my problem was ipv6 related |
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| 17:46.54 | noocx | cu |
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| 17:46.57 | yq | Initializing interface 'wlan0' conf '/root/wpa/wpa.conf' driver 'ndiswrapper' ctrl_interface 'N/A' bridge 'N/A' |
| 17:46.58 | yq | Unsupported driver 'ndiswrapper'. |
| 17:47.11 | yq | :( |
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| 17:49.31 | yq | I need to build wpa_supplicant manually or something? |
| 17:49.37 | yq | With ndiswrapper in the configuration? |
| 17:49.44 | silidan | xyan: yes i do see a device with iwconfig |
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| 17:50.26 | xyan | silidan: did you bring it up with "ifconfig <device> up" ? |
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| 17:51.40 | nsadmin | CodeNinja normally when you exit from a single-user shell it goes to multiuser |
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| 17:51.53 | mo2000 | re |
| 17:52.00 | DEbiansqueeze | what does iwlist wlan0 scan say? |
| 17:52.14 | silidan | xyan: yes but dmesg always spits out ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 17:53.36 | xyan | silidan: ok so did you also try to blacklist every other rt module like rt2x00lib and rt2x00usb or whatever is there? |
| 17:53.50 | mo2000 | i have a simple stupid problem with bash since i use amd64 arc: after execution of a program i get the new prompt only when i type something... it looks that the output of bash is not flushed... any ideas? |
| 17:54.03 | silidan | xyan: not yet |
| 17:54.45 | nsadmin | mo2000 what terminals does this happen in |
| 17:55.03 | mo2000 | nsadmin: xterm |
| 17:55.26 | nsadmin | what happens when you try in a different term |
| 17:55.53 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i see it most on xterm -> console is rarely used |
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| 17:56.29 | nsadmin | try firing up another xterm |
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| 17:57.02 | little_owl | Hello, my Lenny box was hacked and a rootkit was installed. |
| 17:57.14 | little_owl | I reinstall it and I am trying to enable SELinux. I have got millions of errors and in enforcement mode almost nothing works. |
| 17:57.21 | little_owl | Do I something wrong or debian is not prepare for SELinux? Is there some proper howto? |
| 17:57.26 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 17:57.30 | jhutchins | Anybody know of changes in lenny's network management? /etc/network/interfaces seems to be getting ignored. |
| 17:57.32 | mo2000 | nsadmin: I have to refine i use KDE Konsole |
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| 17:57.59 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:58.00 | DEbiansqueeze | pastebin interfaces |
| 17:58.01 | Walex | jhutchins: perhaps you have enabled NetworkManager... |
| 17:58.05 | jhutchins | little_owl: Sorry, that sounds _exactly_ like selinux. |
| 17:58.14 | nsadmin | maybe you have xterm installed? |
| 17:58.16 | CodeNinja | nsadmin: what does that matter though? |
| 17:58.25 | jhutchins | Walex: Yes, I have, but it claims not to see any devices. |
| 17:58.33 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i tryed xterm directly... that is working |
| 17:58.38 | Walex | jhutchins: perfect :-) |
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| 17:58.56 | jhutchins | This is one of those "it was working fine until I rebooted" things. |
| 17:59.02 | mo2000 | nsadmin: mhhh then i have to search for a problem withhin KDE Console |
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| 17:59.16 | nsadmin | mo2000 fire up another konsole and try that |
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| 17:59.47 | mo2000 | nsadmin: I started real xterm -> That is working perfekt |
| 17:59.56 | nsadmin | mo2000 fire up another konsole and try that |
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| 18:00.08 | jhutchins | Walex: Care to be a little less cryptic? |
| 18:01.44 | little_owl | I have read the related debian's pages, but it seems that the default selinux policy is not still compatible with the userland ..... Does somebody make it run? |
| 18:02.53 | mo2000 | nsadmin: on tty it runs perfect |
| 18:03.16 | silidan1 | em... |
| 18:03.52 | silidan1 | xyan: it looks like it would work now... but wlan0 is listed with a wrong ip address, how can i change that address? |
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| 18:04.17 | nsadmin | little_owl: look in the bts to see what problems are being reported about it, and you might search the debian-user list at lists.debian.org to see if there's discussion there about it |
| 18:05.23 | nsadmin | mo2000 see what happens when you fire up another kde konsole and try that |
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| 18:06.36 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Same situation on all KDE Konsole on amd64 System -> on x86 System it works perfect |
| 18:06.59 | mo2000 | nsadmin: I hav currently 3 instances open |
| 18:07.43 | little_owl | Thanks, I look at it, time to learn write own selinux policies. |
| 18:07.46 | nsadmin | do you have other amd64 machines? |
| 18:08.20 | jhutchins | little_owl: selinux is mostly useful for protecting the computer from the user - in this case you. |
| 18:08.40 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i have 3 different brands installed with amd64... always the same problem... installed with x86 its working |
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| 18:09.36 | mo2000 | jhutchins: ROFL that is the best definition of selinux i ever saw |
| 18:09.41 | nsadmin | interesting, we've narrowed the problem to konsoles with amd64 |
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| 18:10.40 | erry | hai |
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| 18:11.09 | erry | i have a bizarre problem: my touchpad doesn't work in xserver but it works in the commandline mode using gpm |
| 18:11.10 | mo2000 | nsadmin: refinment: narrowed to KDE Konsole on amd64 System :D |
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| 18:11.50 | nsadmin | and it's lenny right? |
| 18:12.01 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Yepp lenny |
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| 18:12.27 | nsadmin | will be interesting to try to have others reproduce |
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| 18:13.13 | nsadmin | mo1 |
| 18:13.31 | nsadmin | mo2000 do you have a database client installed? |
| 18:13.38 | nsadmin | like psql |
| 18:13.55 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i dont know there is a differnce i use Intel CPU with amd64 installation someon tells me that this is called x86_64 |
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| 18:14.31 | mo2000 | nsadmin: no, no sql client |
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| 18:15.29 | nsadmin | do you have other shells? |
| 18:16.52 | nsadmin | now I'm trying to completely factor bash out of this |
| 18:17.15 | nsadmin | right now it's bash since it's your default shell |
| 18:17.23 | mo2000 | nsadmin: no... this systems are almost used for Virtualisation (KVM) so i do only the "Admin" part on this machines... the VM's are x86 |
| 18:18.36 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Uhhhh nooo let it not be true... |
| 18:18.52 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i found it... anoying default |
| 18:19.02 | smacnay | with a dual-core comp - does one want the mplayer or mplayer-mt package? |
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| 18:19.58 | nsadmin | mo2000: what setting is this? |
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| 18:21.29 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i enabled option in KDE Konsole Settings after anohter... "Enable Strg-S/Strg-Q Flowcontrol" is the responsible.. |
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| 18:22.16 | erry | nevermind |
| 18:22.18 | erry | it fixed itself |
| 18:22.21 | erry | (dont ask) |
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| 18:22.39 | nsadmin | oh ok,,, and so this is a setting that |
| 18:22.54 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Mhhh currently i have long running jobs (and no VM with KDE) so i can not check the default on x86. |
| 18:23.20 | nsadmin | is default with the amd64 install? |
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| 18:23.36 | nsadmin | or is it a setting you changed after installing? |
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| 18:23.40 | mo2000 | nsadmin: yes... i changed northing in this settings until now |
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| 18:24.00 | nsadmin | so it came that way after you installed? |
| 18:24.44 | nsadmin | and this is a setting on konsole? |
| 18:24.46 | mo2000 | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:25.01 | nsadmin | ok, so that would be a filable bug |
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| 18:25.57 | nsadmin | it's clear what it is, it's clear what the cause is, it's appropriately narrowed |
| 18:26.26 | nsadmin | not likely to get fixed in lenny... but at least it's clear :) |
| 18:26.33 | mo2000 | nsadmin: absolut |
| 18:27.11 | mo2000 | nsadmin: When it is fixed in "next stable" it is ok for me :D |
| 18:27.33 | nsadmin | can you install squeeze amd64 and try it there? |
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| 18:28.19 | jhutchins | mo2000: As far as I know, AMD64 and x86_64 are not compatible. |
| 18:28.39 | redDEADresolve | im try to connect to my school wireless via a cisco vpn. I installed network-manager-vpnc but the install tells me that two scripts are missing LSB tags and over rides: S21vpnclient_init and vpnclient_init. Network-manager works but the vpn part doesnt. any help? |
| 18:29.06 | mo2000 | nsadmin: only as VM with a network X-Session |
| 18:29.43 | nsadmin | mo2000 do you think that would be a sufficient test? |
| 18:29.45 | mo2000 | jhutchins: I dont know what is the real dirference... i installed from amd64 Media on a Intel Quad Core |
| 18:29.51 | tabris|away | jhutchins: wtf? |
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| 18:30.21 | tabris|away | jhutchins: AMD64 _is_ x86_64, it's just another name for the same thing, like how EM64T is Intel's name, x86_64 is the 'generic, non vendor specific name' |
| 18:30.26 | nsadmin | I thought it was ia64 that wasn't compatable |
| 18:30.31 | tabris|away | nsadmin: quite |
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| 18:31.03 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Sure... to find out it is the Setting or not, a Networked X-Session should be make no difference |
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| 18:31.52 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Cause i use the other real 2 Computers via networked X-Session and have same trouble |
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| 18:32.34 | nsadmin | just so I'm clear... this is a setting of kde konsole? |
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| 18:33.37 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i will do the install this week and report the results here... now i have to leave for dinner... BBL |
| 18:33.49 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Thanks for your help |
| 18:33.57 | nsadmin | or file bug report on bts |
| 18:33.59 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 18:34.15 | nsadmin | oh where is that silly bot :P |
| 18:34.27 | jhutchins | Ahhhh. Somehow I got removed from the netdev group. |
| 18:34.36 | nsadmin | anyway, bugs.debian.org |
| 18:34.37 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 18:43.18 | silidan | xyan: dont know why, but now it works... |
| 18:43.50 | redDEADresolve | im try to connect to my school wireless via a cisco vpn. I installed network-manager-vpnc but the install tells me that two scripts are missing LSB tags and over rides: S21vpnclient_init and vpnclient_init. Network-manager works but the vpn part doesnt. any help? |
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| 18:46.47 | silidan | xyan: thanks for yor time |
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| 18:46.58 | jhutchins | Something keeps removing me from control groups like audio, cdrom, netdev. |
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| 18:47.38 | PovAddict | I changed my keyboard driver to evdev instead of kbd and it has solved all my keyboard problems |
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| 18:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | Is there some file that needs to have my username in it so that those groups are automatically updated when I log in? |
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| 18:50.38 | buckfast | do power users use terminal or gui file browser for filemanagement? |
| 18:51.04 | xyan | silidan: no problem. the point is that both rt73 and rt2500 list your usbid but obviously your device works with the rt73 driver so blacklisting every other did the trick |
| 18:51.18 | PovAddict | buckfast: I use terminal mainly |
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| 18:51.51 | buckfast | PovAddict: isnt it a hassle? |
| 18:51.55 | jhutchins_lt | buckfast: Depends. I use mc sometimes. |
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| 18:52.13 | PovAddict | I was told good stuff about mc, I should try it... |
| 18:52.15 | jhutchins_lt | buckfast: If you cut your teeth on console-based systems it's easier. |
| 18:52.45 | PovAddict | jhutchins_lt: o_O |
| 18:53.00 | jhutchins_lt | buckfast: You have tools like find and grep (and sed). |
| 18:53.01 | PovAddict | jhutchins_lt: I have used mc for 15 seconds and it looks pretty awesome already |
| 18:53.22 | buckfast | jhutchins_lt: isn't gui faster in the end? |
| 18:53.30 | jhutchins_lt | buckfast: No, it's not. |
| 18:53.40 | jhutchins_lt | Not for me at least. |
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| 18:54.00 | PovAddict | buckfast: try both, figure out what is faster for YOU |
| 18:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | It depends on what I'm doing too. |
| 18:54.52 | buckfast | typing long file names is really annoying sometimes if there are a lot of files that begin with same letters |
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| 18:55.19 | PovAddict | buckfast: get a file manager that supports reading your mind :) |
| 18:55.21 | jhutchins_lt | Well, back to getting a DVD to play. |
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| 18:55.36 | jhutchins_lt | buckfast: Keep your filenames simple and use tab completion. |
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| 18:56.06 | buckfast | tab completion sure makes a difference, only its case sensitive |
| 18:56.25 | PovAddict | buckfast: I'm sure some shells have an option to make tab completion case insensitive |
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| 18:57.27 | PovAddict | jhutchins_lt: how do I close popups? |
| 18:57.32 | PovAddict | eg. the menu that appears with F2 |
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| 19:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | PovAddict: F9 or F10 |
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| 19:11.24 | mo2000 | anyone here that has experience with booting a system from USB (i mean real system not "live-CD") |
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| 19:17.47 | smacnay | Hi, I see that nautilus is starting when I really only want xfce - I have set xfce as session and x-window manager and start with startx. |
| 19:17.53 | smacnay | Still nautilus is there. |
| 19:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | Well, whereas VLC pretty much bricked the laptop, and wouldn't play the disk, mplayer just works. |
| 19:19.14 | DEbiansqueeze | how did vlc brick a laptop? |
| 19:19.57 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: Apparently by removing my username from all of the groups. |
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| 19:20.28 | DEbiansqueeze | is that a know issue? or just your issue? |
| 19:20.54 | smacnay | it was listed in ~/.config/session-state |
| 19:21.02 | mike-burns | What shell is /bin/sh really? |
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| 19:22.11 | PovAddict | mike-burns: posix shell |
| 19:22.36 | PovAddict | mike-burns: it's often a symlink to bash (which will change some behavior if it notices it's being run as sh) |
| 19:22.42 | mike-burns | PovAddict: I know the role that /bin/sh plays. |
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| 19:22.53 | PovAddict | debian uses dash |
| 19:23.09 | mike-burns | Ah that's what I was asking. Thanks. |
| 19:23.30 | PovAddict | "Dash has been the default /bin/sh in Ubuntu since the 6.10 release in October 2006" |
| 19:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | DEbiansqueeze: Unresolved as yet. |
| 19:23.42 | mike-burns | I, uh. I don't use Ubuntu. |
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| 19:24.26 | PovAddict | mike-burns: looks like the plan was to make lenny's /bin/sh be dash |
| 19:24.49 | PovAddict | but they couldn't do that in time |
| 19:24.53 | mike-burns | It looks like testing uses dash. |
| 19:24.57 | jhutchins_lt | PovAddict: lenny doesn't appear to have dash installed. |
| 19:25.00 | PovAddict | (many #!/bin/sh scripts using bashisms) |
| 19:25.07 | PovAddict | (couldn't get fixed in time) |
| 19:25.10 | mike-burns | So lenny uses bash as /bin/sh? |
| 19:25.35 | jhutchins_lt | mike-burns: does here. |
| 19:25.44 | PovAddict | "switching [to dash in] the default installations won't happen anymore for Lenny, but we want to support all users who want to use dash as default as good as possible" |
| 19:25.57 | PovAddict | (source: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/04/msg00002.html) |
| 19:26.06 | jhutchins_lt | Yet again Debian does the right thing. |
| 19:26.15 | mike-burns | Glad they're finally doing that. |
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| 19:27.32 | mike-burns | Does this mean I can remove bash in testing? |
| 19:27.33 | JyZyXEL | whats a good console based sound recorder? |
| 19:27.40 | PovAddict | mike-burns: hell no |
| 19:27.46 | PovAddict | mike-burns: lots of things explicitly need bash |
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| 19:28.17 | PovAddict | it's an Essential package |
| 19:29.03 | mike-burns | Ah well. |
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| 19:31.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | It's the usual thing, Ubuntu did it, so everybody thinks it's "progress". |
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| 19:31.27 | peterrooney | Can't see why it's still essential. ash and dash are smaller. |
| 19:31.56 | peterrooney | plus, they run all correct boot scripts |
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| 19:32.30 | PovAddict | peterrooney: many scripts use #!/bin/bash |
| 19:32.41 | mike-burns | jhutchins_lt: I think it's progress because /bin/sh should be minimal and I should have the option to remove bash if I don't use it. |
| 19:32.43 | \amethyst | peterrooney: probably so that packages with #! /bin/bash scripts don't have to add a dependency |
| 19:33.17 | mike-burns | Debian loves minimal systems, from what I've gathered. |
| 19:33.21 | \amethyst | peterrooney: and because it's still the default interactive shell |
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| 19:34.46 | ruben23 | hi |
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| 19:37.09 | elro | Is there a way to automate answers to dpkg-reconfigure questions? |
| 19:37.22 | \amethyst | !pressed |
| 19:37.24 | \amethyst | !preseed |
| 19:37.52 | chomwitt_ | in debootstrap installation do i run makedev from within the chroot enviroment? |
| 19:38.07 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 19:38.29 | elro | thanks |
| 19:39.01 | mo2000 | repeated question: anyone here that has experience with booting a system from USB (i mean real system not "live-CD") |
| 19:39.19 | PovAddict | mo2000: what do you mean with "not live CD"? |
| 19:39.32 | PovAddict | if the USB stick can boot a system, I think it'd be a live USB by definition |
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| 19:41.51 | mo2000 | PovAddict: I want create a small Debian System that contains the minum packets required and put it on a readonly filesystem on a USB Stick... meaning have a small footprint on the host system... |
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| 19:42.34 | PovAddict | that's even closer to being livecd-ish than what I initially thought you meant |
| 19:43.06 | mo2000 | PovAddict: Ok with this definition this is a live system... let me refine: not a "standard live system" |
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| 19:44.30 | mo2000 | PovAddict: What i want to realize is a Server that have only SSH, Firewall and KVM running |
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| 19:45.36 | cgroza | debian is hard to install? |
| 19:46.08 | mo2000 | PovAddict: Why USB... simple, a USB Stick that is only read has not the risk for failures like a HD |
| 19:46.37 | PovAddict | cgroza: try it |
| 19:47.25 | mike-burns | cgroza: Nah. |
| 19:47.34 | mo2000 | PovAddict: Why i am asking here... i found many bullshit in the past that is called "Howto" only a few of them are realy working with debian or not outdated |
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| 19:49.00 | mo2000 | cgroza: meanwhile Its easier to install a debian system than a windows XP... :D |
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| 19:50.15 | cgroza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:52.06 | mo2000 | cgroza: Yes funny... some years ago... it was a big mess to have a graphical UI installed for a unexperienced user... but now you can have it like windows XP but w/o the need to install Office-Programs separatly ... just select Desktop when asked |
| 19:52.06 | cgroza | you |
| 19:52.42 | nooper | you |
| 19:52.58 | cgroza | coo... linux gets easier each year |
| 19:53.16 | cgroza | i wold like the world moving to linux |
| 19:53.26 | gordonjcp | mo2000: "some years ago"? |
| 19:53.39 | gordonjcp | mo2000: like maybe 15 of them? |
| 19:54.08 | mo2000 | gordonjcp: i am over 25 Years in this business... so "some years" is relative... |
| 19:55.13 | agike | cgroza: or maybe your level skill-level is increasing |
| 19:55.56 | gordonjcp | mo2000: well, kernel 2.0 is at least 14 years old ;-) |
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| 19:59.28 | mo2000 | gordonjcp: ok let me refine: some years ago it was not posible to install a 100% stable system without experience... i had many trys in the past to change from windows / netware to Linux... |
| 19:59.42 | cgroza | agike: maybe :) |
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| 20:00.07 | jhutchins_lt | cgroza: There are some people I would very much like to see go back to Windows. |
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| 20:01.32 | mo2000 | gordonjcp: After 10 Years i changed to Debian... i dont have time nor the experience to solve problems in kernel |
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| 20:03.15 | mo2000 | jhutchins_lt: Most likely easy installation is a "Idiot-Magnet"... but when you take a look on Windows, there are many more than on linux :D |
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| 20:04.01 | agike | My newly installed squeeze/lenny distro is now giving me the error message "Preparing to replace udev 0.125-7+lenny3 (using ... /archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb) ... [linebreak] Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED feature is disabled in the running kernel [linebreak] Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev [linebreak] dpkg: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/ar |
| 20:04.01 | agike | chives/udev_150-2i386.deb |
| 20:04.21 | jelly-home | agike: yuo mean "squeeze, not lenny" |
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| 20:04.56 | mo2000 | jelly-home: i think agike means a mixed sqeeze/lenny system... uuuhhhh |
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| 20:05.03 | agike | xserver is missing |
| 20:05.32 | gordonjcp | mo2000: hm, I'm having much the same problem trying to switch to Windows from Linux |
| 20:05.45 | agike | repeated -t unstable dist-upgrade does not help, so far |
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| 20:05.52 | dv_ | hello |
| 20:05.52 | topi` | grr, why is it so that if I modify (enable) something in .config, then 'make' will actually reset it ("configuration written to .config") |
| 20:05.57 | gordonjcp | mo2000: mostly I don't understand Windows, but it can't just be that entirely |
| 20:06.05 | topi` | evidently, there is some kind of kernel dependency that resets my choice in .config |
| 20:06.07 | dv_ | I installed lxsession, but for some reason there isnt an initscript for it |
| 20:06.22 | dv_ | now, an xsession manager is no good without an init script |
| 20:06.29 | dv_ | anybody experienced a similar problem? |
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| 20:06.57 | jelly-home | agike: like the error message says, you need a newer kernel booted to make that version of udev package configured completely |
| 20:07.34 | Da_Wrecka | Is there a channel for general Linux networking questions on freenode? I'm having problems with my Debian system but it's not Debian-specific. I tried VectorLinux and that was the same. |
| 20:07.52 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: ##networking? |
| 20:08.07 | agike | jelly-home: agreed, but repeated "apt-get -t unstable dist-upgrade --fix-missing" so far has not fixed it. |
| 20:08.13 | Da_Wrecka | Ta jelly |
| 20:08.14 | dv_ | or, does anybody know a lightweight session manager, an alternative to gdm/kdm? |
| 20:08.29 | dv_ | (xdm doesnt give me a list of WMs to choose from) |
| 20:08.33 | Da_Wrecka | or not. Nobody in such a channel |
| 20:08.40 | jelly-home | agike: and it won't, until you have rebooted into a kernel >= 2.6.27 |
| 20:08.41 | agike | dv: fluxbox, e16, google is your firend |
| 20:08.49 | dv_ | these are window managers |
| 20:08.54 | peterrooney | dv_: wdm |
| 20:09.17 | dv_ | ah wdm is a good idea thanks |
| 20:09.23 | mo2000 | gordonjcp: hrhr... just foget almost all about Administration then you have no problem with Windows |
| 20:09.32 | jelly-home | agike: I suggest downloading the current squeeze kernel via a browser or wget, installing with dpkg, rebooting into it, and then continue with aptitude or apt-get |
| 20:09.32 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: I have the same problem, I haven't found any way or any list of freenode channels to choose from |
| 20:09.38 | agike | jelly-home: which means patiently waiting for the usual kernel apt-upgrade cycle .. [?] |
| 20:09.45 | Autoscum | !firefox |
| 20:09.48 | Da_Wrecka | Oh yes, I do have one problem that's Debian-specific. Debian forces my screen into 800x600 resolution and won't let me set it to 1024x768 which I KNOW the screen is capable of. |
| 20:09.51 | Autoscum | Oh, no bot. :( |
| 20:10.05 | Autoscum | So, is there a .deb package for Firefox? |
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| 20:10.11 | Da_Wrecka | Can anyone point me in the right direction on that score? |
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| 20:10.25 | Da_Wrecka | I don't even know what to google to start |
| 20:10.31 | dpkg | from memory, firefox is replaced by iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 20:10.32 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: maybe your monitor does not provide proper DDC? |
| 20:10.38 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Edit the xorg.conf file manually. |
| 20:11.05 | Autoscum | dpkg: why iceweasel |
| 20:11.07 | Da_Wrecka | Autoscum: I did. Or at least, so I thought. But it doesn't work right, it still squeezes everything into a little 800x600 box in the middle of the screen. |
| 20:11.24 | agike | jelly-home: thanks, I'll work on it. |
| 20:11.25 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: check your /var/log/Xorg.log and find out why it disqualifies the bigger resolution |
| 20:11.37 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Yeah, what topi` said. |
| 20:11.51 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 20:12.01 | topi` | and try to check out if it reads your manually entered Modeline at all... |
| 20:12.08 | Autoscum | That bot is really slow.. :P |
| 20:12.23 | topi` | my kernel compiles take way too much time :( |
| 20:12.27 | Autoscum | dpkg: dfsg |
| 20:12.31 | Da_Wrecka | topi`: /var/log/Xorg.log you say? |
| 20:12.41 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: it's something like Xorg.0.log etc |
| 20:12.48 | Da_Wrecka | roger that |
| 20:12.55 | rafuch0 | anybody knows an gui form ssh and scp that wont be secpanel> |
| 20:12.56 | rafuch0 | ? |
| 20:13.11 | jelly-home | rafuch0: what does "secpanel" mean? |
| 20:13.14 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 20:13.33 | Autoscum | dpkg: Are you sure you're a bot? ^_^ |
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| 20:13.39 | chomwitt_ | in debbootstrap does it matter if i first install the kernel and then MAKEDEV devices i need. General how sensitive to order change is the intructions in 'D.3 Installing Debian from Unix' ? |
| 20:13.44 | rafuch0 | it means a panel that is sec jelly-home |
| 20:14.09 | jelly-home | rafuch0: I have no idea what you're trying to ask then. Can you rephrase? |
| 20:14.14 | Autoscum | Yes, Ice Weasel is Firefox. |
| 20:14.20 | dpkg | Autoscum: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:14.28 | Da_Wrecka | Aha. "Not using default mode 1024x768 (hsync out of range)" |
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| 20:14.37 | Da_Wrecka | So I need to fix the hsync values somewhere... |
| 20:14.41 | Autoscum | horizontal sync? o.O |
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| 20:14.49 | teliparas | I DONT WANT TO FUD so i m asking: i found reports in a greek unix-linux forum that closed sourse nvidia driver cause overflow to some pages opening backdoors to NSA (national security agency of america) (nvidia module run with root privilages) has anyone heard anything about that? i m asking because running nvidia close sourse drivers and thinking to switch to ati or intel |
| 20:15.02 | teliparas | if someone can read in greeks i can give link |
| 20:15.16 | Autoscum | teliparas: That's cattle excrement. |
| 20:15.26 | Autoscum | teliparas: Yes, give me the link, I'll Google translate it |
| 20:15.35 | jelly-home | teliparas: you _are_ doing fud, please stop |
| 20:15.42 | teliparas | just a minute |
| 20:15.48 | teliparas | yo find it |
| 20:15.55 | Da_Wrecka | I know this screen is capable of 1024x768 because Windows 2000 and VectorLinux will both use 1024x768 without complaint |
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| 20:16.31 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: some versions of some drivers are incapable of reading DDC values correctly. |
| 20:16.39 | topi` | if feeling so anxious about closed source drivers, there are good open source alternatives. be done with it. |
| 20:16.56 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Maybe it's a driver problem. Have you tried installing non-opensource drivers? |
| 20:17.12 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: which driver is it using anyway? |
| 20:17.14 | Autoscum | topi`: I doubt OpenSource drivers can run a high grade video card. :/ |
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| 20:17.27 | topi` | Autoscum: nouveau works for me :) |
| 20:17.38 | Autoscum | topi`: What card are you using? :) |
| 20:18.45 | teliparas | http://www.adslgr.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54205 |
| 20:18.49 | Da_Wrecka | topi`: I'm a Linux newbie, so I have to ask; How do I find out? |
| 20:18.51 | Autoscum | *cough* |
| 20:18.52 | teliparas | here is the link |
| 20:19.51 | Autoscum | http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nVdia-binary-Linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 20:19.55 | Autoscum | Translated into English. |
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| 20:20.41 | teliparas | jelly-home: i m debian fanboy i have no intention to FUD at all . i dont blame debian but the close source driver |
| 20:20.42 | Autoscum | Nothing about the NSA, teliparas. |
| 20:20.53 | Autoscum | xFUD was awesome. |
| 20:21.02 | Autoscum | It didn't detect my Network card, though. :( |
| 20:21.07 | Autoscum | So I had to replace it with Debian :P |
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| 20:21.59 | jelly-home | teliparas: this is absolutely not debian tech-support related. Continue in #nvidia or #debian-offtopic, but not here. |
| 20:22.26 | teliparas | ok go to debian offtopic |
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| 20:23.19 | korney | having an issue booting into the installer on a core 2 duo efi machine. just see "L 99 99 99 99 99 99".. which is a lilo error? any ideas? |
| 20:24.36 | topi` | korney: what sort of EFI machine do you have? I have a Macbook |
| 20:24.43 | korney | macmini |
| 20:24.46 | korney | new one |
| 20:25.03 | topi` | korney: have you tried booting using grub2-efi? |
| 20:25.25 | Autoscum | Okay, the computer thinks .deb packages are opened with an Archiver. How do I install a .deb package? :( |
| 20:25.31 | korney | nope. just burned an amd64 net install cd |
| 20:26.13 | topi` | korney: funny thing. I burned the ubuntu alternative install (karmic) for amd64 and it just Boots when I hold down the 'C' key |
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| 20:26.54 | topi` | fear not, I wrote down the path that I took in order to make my Macbook boot off of a USB stick using GRUB2 |
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| 20:28.08 | RandomTask | hello i has anyone seen problems with Xvnc not working lately with gdmlogin? |
| 20:28.12 | topi` | korney: http://lorelei.kaverit.org/cgi/sana.py?grub2-efi-on-macbook6 |
| 20:28.18 | RandomTask | if so i think i found the problem |
| 20:28.46 | topi` | korney: if you have further questions, let me know (I can even provide you with a virtualbox vdi image which has a nice compilation setup for compiling grub2) |
| 20:29.03 | korney | topi`: ok cool. ty |
| 20:29.18 | KDE4000_ | Hey, I'm having some serious issues with my debian Xen box, it just keeps randomly rebooting, its been in a memtest for 2 hours now and it shows no errors, yet when its idle it will just suddenly reboot every few days, and ideas? |
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| 20:30.50 | Autoscum | !flashplayer |
| 20:31.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:31.41 | topi` | korney: my instructions assume that one knows pretty a lot of things about filesystems and stuff ;) |
| 20:31.54 | topi` | i.e. not for newbies |
| 20:32.01 | Autoscum | dpkg: adobe flash |
| 20:32.19 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. I can't seem to find specs for the horizontal sync supported by my screen. |
| 20:32.38 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: It's probably a driver misconfiguration. Can you run xorgwizard? |
| 20:32.48 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: shouldn't matter. You need to disable DDC, and then use some default modeline for 1024x768 |
| 20:32.49 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:33.21 | agike | jelly-home: http://ambospeak.blogspot.com/2009/03/installing-debian-squeezesid-mar-12-09.html |
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| 20:33.46 | Autoscum | Ah crap. |
| 20:33.58 | Autoscum | Oh, never mind. |
| 20:34.34 | Da_Wrecka | xorgwizard, okay, lemme try... |
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| 20:35.13 | Da_Wrecka | ...I don't appear to have xorgwizard on my Debian system |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | X -configure ? |
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| 20:36.14 | Da_Wrecka | Fatal server error, okay I need to kill X first |
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| 20:37.14 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Godspeed! |
| 20:37.16 | Autoscum | ^_^ |
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| 20:37.40 | jelly-home | agike: that page is both old, and a perfect example why random tutorials on web are not to be trusted |
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| 20:38.16 | jelly-home | agike: the udev issue you're seeing is about a month old. |
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| 20:38.44 | Autoscum | Debian is awesomeness. |
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| 20:40.18 | simonrvn | also becaue they're sometimes just plain crap and pass themselves off as tutorials, instead of just informational and non-normative. |
| 20:40.24 | simonrvn | because* |
| 20:40.38 | jelly-home | agike: use packages.debian.org to find and download a newer kernel package from squeeze, say linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 20:41.00 | Autoscum | jelly-home: What does 686 mean anyway? :P |
| 20:41.02 | whizz | I get this error when I try to su: |
| 20:41.03 | whizz | su: Bad item passed to pam_*_item() |
| 20:41.18 | jelly-home | Autoscum: roughly the cpu generation it is built for |
| 20:41.23 | whizz | I'm running lenny |
| 20:41.40 | whizz | anyone any idea how to fix that? |
| 20:41.52 | Autoscum | jelly-home: I see. Thanks. :) |
| 20:42.40 | Autoscum | jelly-home: I've noticed it's also referring to "architecture" and some packages don't work on i686. (Made for i386) |
| 20:42.50 | Autoscum | Ah, I haven't really looked into these numbers, haha. :) |
| 20:43.02 | topi` | wohoo!! finally the damn usb display is working and I am irc'ing on an Overo for the first time:) |
| 20:43.11 | Da_Wrecka | Autoscum: Didn't seem to help. It threw up a bunch of text but didn't actually ask me for anything and the new config file is just as broken |
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| 20:43.26 | topi` | hw setup: Gumstix Overo Cortex-A8, USB hub, USB keyboard, console on Samsung U70 usb display (displaylink) |
| 20:44.14 | gordonjcp | topi`: nice |
| 20:44.39 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Sorry to hear that, mate. :/ Let me Google about, I'll see if I can find anything. What's your video card model? |
| 20:45.00 | Da_Wrecka | it's a Chips and Technologies something... The computer is a Compaq Armada 3500 laptop |
| 20:45.22 | Da_Wrecka | Maxed out to 192MB RAM, hard drive upgraded to a 40GBer, but otherwise unchanged from the 300MHz base |
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| 20:45.37 | Da_Wrecka | I'll see if I can find something more solid for the video adapter type, one sec |
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| 20:46.05 | topi` | gordonjcp: it was fairly difficult to get this damn USB monitor to work satisfactorily, since the driver is in staging/ and it is an old version |
| 20:46.06 | gordonjcp | wonder if OMAP would work well for a packet radio node? |
| 20:46.11 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: That can be qualified as "quirky video hardware". |
| 20:46.29 | Da_Wrecka | Probably |
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| 20:46.38 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: You may try running Xvesa as an X server. It works with almost anything, but you can't change the monitor's refresh rate. |
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| 20:46.51 | topi` | gordonjcp: I think OMAP would work well for almost anything ;) there's now good support for OMAP3 in linus' tree (I am running mainline now) and just install debian/sid and everything just works |
| 20:46.51 | Autoscum | Since it's a laptop a 60 Hz refresh rate should be sufficient for the LCD screen. |
| 20:46.57 | Da_Wrecka | It's quirky video hardware that VectorLinux didn't have a problem with though |
| 20:47.26 | topi` | gordonjcp: my system is taking around 1 watts of power at full CPU, excluding those usb peripherals |
| 20:47.36 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Did Vector use Xorg and which version? :) |
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| 20:47.37 | jelly-home | whizz: care to pastebin the output of " dpkg -l libc6 libpam\* login | grep '^.i' " and the contents of /etc/pam.d/su ? |
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| 20:47.49 | topi` | could go well below 1000 mW if I'd enable power savings |
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| 20:47.53 | jelly-home | whizz: have you at any point messed with files in /etc/pam.d/? |
| 20:48.07 | whizz | jelly-home: I'll do that |
| 20:48.11 | Da_Wrecka | It used Xorg, which version though I'm not sure |
| 20:48.11 | whizz | joltcan: not that I know |
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| 20:48.28 | jelly-home | k |
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| 20:48.31 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Look at this: http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages?highlight=(hsync) |
| 20:48.37 | Autoscum | (Find "hsync") |
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| 20:48.57 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: In short: If loading of a required sub module wasn't successful. In this case you'll get a message that the loading failed. Please try to investigate, why. The message may give you a clue: you may be using the wrong version of the module, or the file may not exist. |
| 20:49.17 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Also, is your Debian installation fresh? :) |
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| 20:49.50 | chops1 | So my system's date is wrong... I reconfigure ntp to point to pool.ntp.org (from {0,1,2,3}.debian.pool.ntp.org) and restarted it and the time is still wrong. Any advice? |
| 20:50.19 | jelly-home | chops1: stop ntp service, use ntpdate to set the current date, start it again |
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| 20:50.42 | whizz | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m5d785df3 |
| 20:50.44 | Autoscum | chops1: Is the time in your CMOS Setup correct? :P |
| 20:51.13 | jelly-home | chops1: ntpd can't adjust time when the clock is too erratic (often the situation in virtualized envionments) or when it's too off |
| 20:51.38 | chops1 | jelly-home: Ah, not it -- here's the problem: ntpdate[14496]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 20:51.52 | whizz | jelly-home: hmm, could it be something in /etc/environment? I remember changing something in there to fix a problem with postgresql |
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| 20:52.07 | chops1 | jelly-home: Why would pool.ntp.org not work? |
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| 20:52.24 | jelly-home | chops1: firewall? dns resolver issues? |
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| 20:52.24 | Autoscum | chops1: Just set the system time manually, it's not like time is a constant variable. ^_^ |
| 20:52.25 | Hyperzid | I have mirrors from both sid ans squeeze.. and apt.conf with: APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; |
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| 20:52.34 | mo2000 | re |
| 20:52.41 | chops1 | Autoscum: This is a long-running system; clocks often drift over time, and I want this one to be right |
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| 20:52.53 | simonrvn | chops1: it'll work, but like jelly-home said, it can't differ too much from the ntpd's time |
| 20:52.58 | Hyperzid | ..how can I make shure which packages an distro is upgraded from? |
| 20:53.01 | Autoscum | chops1: Okay then. Try to set it with time.nist.gov |
| 20:53.17 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Run the package manager and click update. |
| 20:53.18 | Da_Wrecka | I wonder, if I load up SysRescueCD will that give me the right horizontal timings for this screen... |
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| 20:53.25 | simonrvn | !ntp.org |
| 20:53.28 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: It's worth a shot. :) |
| 20:53.37 | simonrvn | !pool.ntp.org |
| 20:53.50 | simonrvn | what's that factoid called again? |
| 20:53.51 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're slow |
| 20:53.53 | simonrvn | nm |
| 20:53.55 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, you mean running apt-get update ? |
| 20:54.10 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Yeah, that could work too. |
| 20:54.15 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, I have both sid and squeeze in there. |
| 20:54.26 | jelly-home | whizz: depends on what you changed |
| 20:54.29 | simonrvn | *sigh* |
| 20:54.34 | dvs | jelly-home: must be napping |
| 20:54.41 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Then they should be up-to-date. |
| 20:54.41 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 20:54.49 | whizz | jelly-home: it was empty |
| 20:54.58 | Autoscum | dpkg is not a bot? :/ |
| 20:55.13 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, what do you mean?. when I run apt-get upgrade I get up alot of packages to upgrade. |
| 20:55.29 | whizz | changing it's contents to LANG=en_US (as I read somewhere) didn't help |
| 20:55.39 | Autoscum | Well then update them. |
| 20:55.43 | Autoscum | It asks Y/N, right? |
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| 20:55.49 | dpkg | Autoscum: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:55.52 | jelly-home | whizz: that sort of thing is done in /etc/default/locale these days |
| 20:56.00 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, yes.. it asks.. but I want to make sure I dont install updates from squeeze |
| 20:56.03 | whizz | jelly-home: so it should be empty? |
| 20:56.03 | Autoscum | dpkg: Oh, you are a bot. :( |
| 20:56.14 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Remove the repository. |
| 20:56.43 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, but I want updates from squeeze for those programs I manually installed with apt-get install -t sid |
| 20:56.51 | Hyperzid | ops.. |
| 20:56.54 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 20:57.16 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, the other way around.. |
| 20:57.20 | jelly-home | whizz: no... anyhow, no harm should come out of setting locale variables in there |
| 20:57.26 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Do you want updates from Squeeze or not? :P |
| 20:57.41 | chops1 | jelly-home: Yeah, looks like firewall... ping pool.ntp.org works, but 'telnet pool.ntp.org 123' hangs forever |
| 20:57.41 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, I want updates from squeeze.. but not from sid. |
| 20:57.42 | simonrvn | twiddles his thumbs while waiting for the listvals ntp.org |
| 20:57.45 | jelly-home | whizz: does su comaplin but work, or complain and not work? |
| 20:57.47 | simonrvn | ah |
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| 20:57.50 | simonrvn | !ntp |
| 20:57.54 | jelly-home | chops1: ntp works over udp |
| 20:57.59 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Then remove the unwanted repository lol |
| 20:58.04 | herbero | Hi, I have a GRUB type 2 error, (error 17). I want to load an older Kernel version, but I have no bash. Can I use a live cd to get Kernel to load in recovery mode? |
| 20:58.27 | Hyperzid | Autoscum, but I want updates for those programs I already installed into sid. only those. |
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| 20:58.41 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. See also <set time>. |
| 20:58.45 | Autoscum | Hyperzid: Then update them manually, or add the repositories later. |
| 20:58.52 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:59.13 | Autoscum | Sorry, I'm sleep deprived. :( I can't understand anything at the moment |
| 20:59.15 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: and wait a minute for a response from dpkg, it seems to be rather slow today |
| 20:59.18 | herbero | Hi, I have a GRUB type 2 error, (error 17). I want to load an older Kernel version, but I have no bash. Can I use a live cd to get an old Kernel to load or load in recovery mode? |
| 20:59.25 | jelly-home | apt: pinning |
| 20:59.26 | apt | methinks pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 20:59.38 | jelly-home | apt: your database is funking old |
| 20:59.39 | apt | okay, jelly-home |
| 20:59.44 | jelly-home | eh |
| 20:59.46 | Autoscum | Hahah. |
| 20:59.52 | jelly-home | apt: forget your database |
| 20:59.52 | apt | jelly-home: i forgot your database |
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| 21:00.16 | whizz | jelly-home: I found it, there was an equals sign floating in my /etc/default/locale |
| 21:00.27 | whizz | thanks :) |
| 21:00.32 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 21:01.15 | whizz | jelly-home: what should be in /etc/environment? |
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| 21:02.57 | jelly-home | whizz: everything else but locale :-) |
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| 21:03.29 | Elshar | Hey, is anyone using a lsi megaraid card like the 300-8x in debian lenny? |
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| 21:04.05 | jelly-home | whizz: and really, locale works there too, but managing those with"dpkg-reconfigure locales" puts it in the new place |
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| 21:04.18 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:04.29 | lenswipe | how do i change the default perms of user home dirs when they are created? |
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| 21:04.33 | Da_Wrecka | blah, I can't get Sysrescuecd to boot |
| 21:04.41 | Da_Wrecka | I think this DVD drive is dying |
| 21:04.54 | lenswipe | i want my users home dirs created with 700 rather than 755 |
| 21:04.58 | lenswipe | how do i change that? |
| 21:05.04 | jelly-home | lenswipe: /etc/adduser.conf ? |
| 21:05.14 | lenswipe | ty |
| 21:05.22 | jelly-home | I guess that one is a RTFM |
| 21:05.25 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Blah. :( |
| 21:05.30 | jelly-home | so, bad lenswipe! |
| 21:05.37 | lenswipe | jelly-home: why? |
| 21:06.00 | jelly-home | for not doing your homework |
| 21:06.01 | whizz | jelly-home: I guess there was nothing but locale there :) |
| 21:06.04 | whizz | thanks again |
| 21:06.10 | chops1 | simonrvn: My problem is that I've configured pool.ntp.org as the server (see http://paste.debian.net/58130/ for ntp.conf), but ntpdate says "no servers can be used, exiting" |
| 21:06.14 | lenswipe | jelly-home: not doing my homework? |
| 21:06.29 | jelly-home | lenswipe: you could have read the manual instead of asking here. |
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| 21:06.41 | lenswipe | jelly-home: i wasnt aware it was in the manual |
| 21:06.52 | jelly-home | lenswipe: because... you haven't read it! |
| 21:06.58 | lenswipe | jelly-home: besides, im a man - men dont read manuals :p |
| 21:07.10 | lenswipe | jk jk |
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| 21:07.26 | jelly-home | !penixstrike lenswipe |
| 21:07.32 | lenswipe | .... |
| 21:07.35 | lenswipe | bot fail? |
| 21:07.36 | lenswipe | :p |
| 21:07.43 | jelly-home | just you wait |
| 21:07.44 | m0rTaL | anyone knows why Octave (3.0.1) crashes when trying to compute the inverse or determinant of a matrix ? (Deb 5 on a K6-II proc) |
| 21:07.52 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: I believe you need to specify a serer, not just the general ndomain. |
| 21:07.54 | chops1 | m0rTaL: Checked the BTS? |
| 21:08.06 | Autoscum | m0rTaL: It's dividing by zero. :P |
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| 21:08.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking lenswipe to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:08.20 | m0rTaL | haven't checked BTS |
| 21:08.21 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: Saying 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' results in 'no server suitable for synchronization found' |
| 21:08.25 | chops1 | m0rTaL: Check it :-) |
| 21:08.31 | lenswipe | LMFAO |
| 21:08.32 | Da_Wrecka | Autoscum: SysRescueCD is booting now. Still think the DVD drive's dying though |
| 21:08.44 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Well I hope it boots. :P |
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| 21:09.51 | Da_Wrecka | The annoying part is I have another DVD drive, but it won't actually work with this laptop. |
| 21:10.06 | Da_Wrecka | The front bezel is a little too high so the drawer can't be locked when I put it in this laptop |
| 21:10.16 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: It doesn't have to be. |
| 21:10.23 | jhutchins_lt | ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 21:10.24 | jhutchins_lt | 30 Jan 15:10:10 ntpdate[26846]: adjust time server 65.23.154.62 offset 0.004894 sec |
| 21:10.38 | Autoscum | Just plug it in and keep it "outside the box" haha |
| 21:10.59 | Da_Wrecka | This is a laptop, I can't keep it outside the box without putting it in all the way :/ |
| 21:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: Every reference to pool.ntp.org should return a different set of servers. |
| 21:11.07 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: :( |
| 21:11.14 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: Yes, that helps me not at all :-) |
| 21:11.28 | Autoscum | chops1: I smell a DNS resolve failure. :? |
| 21:11.29 | Autoscum | :/ |
| 21:11.33 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: I did sort it out -- it was a firewall issue. I just found a DC that I can synchronize with, so all is well |
| 21:12.27 | Autoscum | chops1: Alright then. You can buy jhutchins_lt a beer now. ^_^ |
| 21:12.29 | Autoscum | Haha. |
| 21:12.31 | jelly-home | chops1: sometimes your ISP has their own accessible ntp server |
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| 21:12.43 | chops1 | !beer jhutchins_lt |
| 21:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | Thank you chops1. |
| 21:12.59 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: You'll get it in about 30 minutes, I think... |
| 21:13.06 | Da_Wrecka | I wonder... If I copy the Xorg.conf from SysRescueCD to the SD card, could I then overwrite my Debian Xorg.conf with the SysRescueCD file and have it work? |
| 21:13.08 | Autoscum | Haha. Yeah, the bot is kinda slow. |
| 21:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | Local lug guy came up with a scipt that polls local routers for high-stratus timeservers and returns a list. |
| 21:13.27 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: I doubt it, Debian has its own dependencies and stuff written in that file. |
| 21:13.35 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Jever for jhutchins_lt |
| 21:13.39 | Da_Wrecka | Yeah, too bad |
| 21:13.44 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Maybe only replace the video information part? |
| 21:13.50 | Da_Wrecka | Worth a shot |
| 21:14.00 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: Alright then, let me know how it went. :P |
| 21:14.08 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Did you try just moving the existing xorg, leaving none? |
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| 21:15.15 | Autoscum | jhutchins_lt: Won't that result in a non-functional Xorg? |
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| 21:15.20 | abrotman | no |
| 21:15.40 | Autoscum | It did on Kubuntu, I think. |
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| 21:16.27 | nsadmin | by default xorg.conf is empty |
| 21:16.48 | nsadmin | cuz it autodetects everything |
| 21:16.54 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: aren't the low stratus ones more useful! |
| 21:17.07 | Autoscum | nsadmin: Makes sense... |
| 21:17.37 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: low number = high stratus. |
| 21:17.41 | Autoscum | So all those times I messed up my xorg.conf I just had to delete it instead of looking for a rename command for 3 hours then booting a live CD? |
| 21:17.44 | Autoscum | Gah. |
| 21:17.48 | Autoscum | I'm an idiot. :P |
| 21:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | Autoscum: mv |
| 21:18.02 | nsadmin | maybe not all |
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| 21:18.03 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I hate ntp. |
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| 21:18.55 | Autoscum | Well, I was trying to make my keyboard switch between layouts with Alt+Shift (It didn't support that by default on Kubuntu 8 and below) so I put a command in there, but messed it up accidentally. |
| 21:19.03 | nsadmin | mv functions as rename |
| 21:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I listen to WWV for fun. |
| 21:19.15 | Autoscum | nsadmin: Yeah, I noticed that after a while, haha. |
| 21:20.27 | nsadmin | can you hear the bits in the first 20 secs of the new minute? |
| 21:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | Autoscum: Want some weekend reading? |
| 21:21.04 | Autoscum | jhutchins_lt: Sure. :) |
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| 21:22.19 | jhutchins_lt | Autoscum: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html |
| 21:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
| 21:22.35 | Autoscum | jhutchins_lt: Thanks. :) |
| 21:22.52 | nsadmin | that'll get yer feet wet |
| 21:22.58 | jelly-home | !grounding |
| 21:23.22 | jelly-home | pokes dpkg |
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| 21:23.35 | Autoscum | Well, I'm not really that experienced with Linux, I couldn't help booting back into XP to play a game or two. |
| 21:23.36 | nsadmin | since the move to seven dpkg been slow |
| 21:23.52 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 21:24.03 | jelly-home | oh well |
| 21:24.04 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, this makes no goddamn sense. SysRescueCD gets an IP address via DHCP just fine; Pinging the gateway fails with "destination host unreachable" though. |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | Autoscum: not sure if oyu're aware of this .. but Debian is not Kubuntu |
| 21:24.14 | Da_Wrecka | Debian and VectorLinux can't even get the IP address from DHCP |
| 21:24.23 | nsadmin | debian reference? take those tutorials first |
| 21:24.33 | Autoscum | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 21:24.38 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 21:24.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: perhaps dpkg needs a restart ? |
| 21:24.46 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka: How is that even possible? Usually the DHCP server and the gateway are the same machine. |
| 21:24.56 | abrotman | on a home network .. |
| 21:25.00 | Da_Wrecka | Autoscum: Indeed they are! And yet somehow, it's still failing |
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| 21:25.11 | Autoscum | abrotman: When did I say Debian was Kubuntu? |
| 21:25.12 | Da_Wrecka | My gateway is a Linux box running ClarkConnect. |
| 21:25.22 | abrotman | then sotp using it for comparison |
| 21:25.25 | Da_Wrecka | The Windows machines get an IP address, can access each other and the Internet no problem... |
| 21:25.44 | Da_Wrecka | This laptop can also get an IP address et cetera, as long as it's booted into Windows |
| 21:25.46 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: can you ping the gateway from a windows machine? |
| 21:26.02 | Da_Wrecka | jelly-home: I'm playing an online game right now from a Windows machine |
| 21:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: If it were an appliance I would power cycle it. |
| 21:26.04 | Autoscum | abrotman: I'm not comparing anything. |
| 21:26.14 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: that's not an answer. |
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| 21:26.22 | Da_Wrecka | Pinging the gateway gives me ping times of <1ms |
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| 21:26.28 | jelly-home | so yes. |
| 21:26.42 | Da_Wrecka | The laptop is plugged into the same switch as the Windows machine I just did that ping from |
| 21:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: I presume this linux box is doing NAT and DHCP for your net, right? |
| 21:26.52 | Da_Wrecka | Spot on |
| 21:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly a look at the daemon logs would show you what DHCP thinks is happening. Or you could run a sniffer/tcpdump to see what's happening. |
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| 21:27.43 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: do linux and windows clients get configured the same-ish way? |
| 21:27.45 | jhutchins_lt | tcpdump should show you. |
| 21:27.56 | Da_Wrecka | jelly-home: So far as I know... |
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| 21:28.05 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.12 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: same network segment, netmask and same gw address? |
| 21:28.27 | Autoscum | Gah. Brain is too slow, need sleep. |
| 21:28.33 | Da_Wrecka | Lemme bring up the config for the gateway and I'll tell ya |
| 21:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Well, on a home network you can see the DHCP request/offer/ack stuff pretty easily. |
| 21:28.44 | Autoscum | I'll be back in 8 hours or so, I hope you fix your problem, Da_Wrecka. :) |
| 21:28.47 | Autoscum | Good night to everyone. |
| 21:29.04 | jhutchins_lt | Night Autoscum. |
| 21:29.04 | Da_Wrecka | night scum |
| 21:29.15 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: also ipconfig /all and perhaps route print from a windows machine |
| 21:29.20 | nvz | I just woke up from a power nap, my brain is feeling good. especially since I'm sitting here watching hulu and this recovery manager is doing all the hard stuff for me.. all I gotta do is collect my money later. |
| 21:29.42 | Da_Wrecka | Route print to where? |
| 21:29.49 | jhutchins_lt | reminds me, I need to make up a bill for this week. |
| 21:30.00 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: the lot |
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| 21:30.23 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: use eg. http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 21:30.47 | Da_Wrecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.55 | Da_Wrecka | There's the route from the laptop I'm running IRC on, and the gateway |
| 21:31.11 | jelly-home | that's not a route, that's a space station! |
| 21:31.46 | __theradar | is there a 190xx version of the nvidia drivers in any of the repositories? |
| 21:31.50 | Da_Wrecka | I'm IRCing on a Dell Inspiron 1000; The gaming system is a custom-built jobby; The laptop giving me problems is a Compaq Armada 3500 with two PCMCIA NICs, one wired one wireless. |
| 21:31.55 | __theradar | I just switched to unstable |
| 21:31.56 | Da_Wrecka | All three machines are connected to the same switch |
| 21:32.12 | Da_Wrecka | All three machines are supposed to get their IPs from the same server, which is ALSO connected to the same switch |
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| 21:32.38 | Da_Wrecka | All three machines are able to access the LAN and the Internet without problem from Windows |
| 21:32.41 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: I wanted to compare the settings on your working windows and nonworking linux machine. I suggest you give out information asked for if you want useful help. |
| 21:32.49 | Da_Wrecka | Ahh, right |
| 21:32.54 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, I'm with you now/ |
| 21:33.03 | jelly-home | I'll let someone else help you, have a good day. |
| 21:33.04 | Da_Wrecka | But there's not much help there. |
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| 21:33.42 | Da_Wrecka | Getting a route print from the Compaq will be...problematic |
| 21:33.57 | jelly-home | route -n on Linux |
| 21:34.02 | jelly-home | and ifconfig -a |
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| 21:34.33 | Da_Wrecka | Oh, that part's easy enough |
| 21:34.34 | abrotman | what is the driver for the linux NIC ? |
| 21:34.43 | Da_Wrecka | It's getting it on to that paste.debian.net that will be difficult |
| 21:34.52 | Da_Wrecka | abrotman: The wired one is 8139too |
| 21:34.55 | Da_Wrecka | Wireless, not sure |
| 21:35.05 | abrotman | and it's a debian kernel ? |
| 21:35.14 | Da_Wrecka | and I'm not sure how to find out, I only know the 8139too because I spotted it in the initial text spam during boot |
| 21:35.18 | Da_Wrecka | It's Debian 5.0.3 |
| 21:35.20 | abrotman | lspci -k |
| 21:35.46 | Da_Wrecka | The wireless NIC is rtl8180 |
| 21:35.55 | mo2000 | what is the "Best" way to share packages downloaded by apt-get for allready runing (for update) and new installations (installed from net-inaller image) ??? |
| 21:35.57 | Da_Wrecka | And the wired NIC is 8139too |
| 21:36.17 | mo2000 | (i tryed apt-p2p... not working for new installations) |
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| 21:38.13 | PyroPhelia | whats a good console tor client? |
| 21:38.20 | abrotman | tor |
| 21:38.24 | Da_Wrecka | okay, problem solved; I can get the route print and ifconfig output into a text file on my SD card, and then from there on to a Windows machine |
| 21:38.48 | karlpinc | When I've an ext3 fs, does the df output %full include the 5% reserved space so that all I can use as a regular user is 95%? I remember not, but don't want to test and break a running system. |
| 21:39.28 | karlpinc | mo2000: Probably setup apt-cacher. But that requires forethought (although it's possible to populate the cache manually so go for it.) |
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| 21:40.16 | mo2000 | karlpinc: do know about a howto that is working for that? |
| 21:41.35 | karlpinc | mo2000: There's instructions somewhere. Either the man page, or /usr/share/doc/apt-cacher*/* or perhaps in the debian reference at debian.org or the wiki. I don't recall. |
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| 21:43.11 | mo2000 | karlpinc: My biggest problem ever... google gives me 99.99% results that are bullshit or outdated... this is why i am asking for a "known working" howto :D |
| 21:43.20 | nsadmin | I need to see someone's config file for a xen domU, or a sample |
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| 21:43.49 | mo2000 | nsadmin: for what type of domU? |
| 21:44.05 | mo2000 | nsadmin: HVM or Paravirtualized |
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| 21:45.05 | manuel__ | hi |
| 21:45.21 | manuel__ | how can i set a window into the background of other windows with the command lineP? |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | in X ? |
| 21:45.44 | manuel__ | there is xdotool windowraise but i want not raise |
| 21:45.45 | manuel__ | yes |
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| 21:46.07 | manuel__ | i found the atom flags but i dont know how to activate these flags |
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| 21:46.22 | jelly-home | karlpinc: it doesn't include reserved space... when it's 100% full, root (or other reserved space user) can still write |
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| 21:46.33 | karlpinc | mo2000: The manual "works". Just look in those 4 places in the order I supplied. |
| 21:46.37 | \amethyst | manuel__: do you want it to be always behind (even if it's activated again), or just to lower it? |
| 21:46.46 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Thanks. Thought so but need to be safe. |
| 21:46.55 | manuel__ | \amethyst, always |
| 21:47.36 | manuel__ | thanks for help |
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| 21:48.49 | k\t | ok, so i reconfigured xorg.conf to get the intel driver working. everything seems ok but the fact that i am unable to switch to VT's. i mean, if i try, the Xserver will remain on the screen but the console seems to be active. My question is what is the best way to enable VT switching to linux console when an Xserver is running? |
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| 21:51.11 | manuel__ | k\t, should wor out of the box |
| 21:51.15 | manuel__ | work |
| 21:51.57 | k\t | hmm, well not in my case... |
| 21:52.01 | nsadmin | mo2000 oh heya, so I have an amd64x2 with the hw virt flag |
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| 21:52.23 | mo2000 | karlpinc: do you have apt-cacher running? Is ist a good idea to use the cache dir of apt fpr apt-cacher? |
| 21:52.41 | nsadmin | and the domU used to be a physical install that I pulled the drive from |
| 21:53.02 | karlpinc | mo2000: I do. I just used the default config and started to cache from scratch. I didn't want to mess around. |
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| 21:53.19 | jelly-home | k\t: which debian release? Version of xserver-xorg-video-intel? Are you using a graphical framebuffer driver like vesafb or intelfb? |
| 21:54.27 | k\t | another thing that is bugging me is that every time i boot, _something_ is randomly switching to VT during the boot rather than committing to VT1 |
| 21:54.52 | jelly-home | k\t: when xserver is killed or dies an unnatural death, often the way to get to proper text mode is lost. |
| 21:54.56 | Da_Wrecka | http://paste.debian.net/58137/ - I've included outputs from lspci -k, ifconfig -a, and route -n on the Compaq, and ipconfig /all on the Dell. |
| 21:55.17 | k\t | the debian testing and xserver-xorg-video-intel from debian repositories. |
| 21:55.25 | jelly-home | k\t: uname -r? |
| 21:56.04 | mo2000 | karlpinc: Ok... sometimes i didnt remember how cheap diskspace is today... that is one of this undeletable memorized behaivours when you do this job 25 years :D |
| 21:56.05 | k\t | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 21:56.52 | mo2000 | nsadmin... p2v... mhhh what os is it? |
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| 21:57.37 | nsadmin | you mean what's the domU? debian etch that I haven't fired up in a year or so |
| 21:57.52 | nsadmin | the dom0 is a debian lenny |
| 21:58.56 | k\t | well the intel driver worked normally before it died unanturally... |
| 21:59.20 | k\t | ...before the Xserver died unnaturally i mean... |
| 21:59.53 | k\t | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.53 | manuel__ | how can i manipulate the atoms of windows ? |
| 21:59.55 | jelly-home | k\t: yeha, you'll need a reboot to remedy the vt situation |
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| 22:00.03 | jelly-home | k\t: I find enabling kernel modesetting (as soon as possible) on squeeze makes things a bit more stable. Add video=i915 to kernel boot params |
| 22:00.10 | nsadmin | I actually found something thaT might be useful, /usr/share/doc/xen-tools/examples |
| 22:00.21 | mo2000 | nsadmin: mhhh i dont think that the a "default" HVM config helps you... i can give you for debian only a default config icreated with virt-manager... |
| 22:00.23 | k\t | kmns? |
| 22:00.32 | jelly-home | k\t: kms, right |
| 22:00.47 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i have only windows maschines on xen |
| 22:01.01 | k\t | my intel chipset version is an 845GM and i only see i8{10,30} and i915 ... |
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| 22:01.43 | jelly-home | k\t: hm. I totally forgot there are older chips. |
| 22:02.06 | k\t | heh, guess i could try i830.. |
| 22:02.11 | nsadmin | mo2000: sure, pastebin that, I'll look :) |
| 22:02.14 | k\t | its a vaio PCG-TR2A |
| 22:02.42 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Standby... |
| 22:02.43 | silidan | i have a litle problem: when i try to boot winxp via grub menue it gives me error: invalid signature... how can i solve that? (worked before) |
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| 22:03.14 | \amethyst | manuel__: hm, I'm looking for a way to set the "keep-below" window manager property, but I'm not having much lock |
| 22:03.18 | \amethyst | luck |
| 22:03.43 | manuel__ | hmm |
| 22:03.44 | \amethyst | manuel__: I know there's the GTK gtk_window_set_keep_below() method, but that doesn't help with an existing program |
| 22:03.52 | manuel__ | yes |
| 22:03.57 | jelly-home | k\t: I don't know whether there's modesetting for that chipset |
| 22:04.13 | jelly-home | has a i915GM |
| 22:04.31 | k\t | hmm, if maybe i add a different FB to the boot_conf? |
| 22:04.46 | manuel__ | \amethyst, my plan is to have an urxvt terminal on the desktop and not recongnised as a window so it will not close on toggeleDesktop from openbox |
| 22:05.09 | mo2000 | nsadmin: I am sorry... one idiot has pulled the wallplug on customer site... the VPN nor the DialIn is working... i have currently no acces to the server... this is now the third time this happens... |
| 22:05.19 | k\t | right now its just 0x0318 ( 1024x768@24 ) |
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| 22:05.36 | nsadmin | no worries, I'll find something :) |
| 22:05.47 | k\t | s/0x0318/ VGA=0x0318 / |
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| 22:05.58 | jelly-home | k\t: getting rid of the framebuffer completely would probably be the next safest option in absence of kms |
| 22:05.58 | manuel__ | \amethyst, till now i have a urxvt -override-redirect wich makes it not close on toggle desktop but it is on top of all programms |
| 22:06.02 | _santa | Hey. Can anybody help me solve a problem with not accessible /init script on a self-made initramfs file ? |
| 22:06.04 | jelly-home | !nofb |
| 22:06.06 | syslq | How do I erase hard drive from cli? (I dont mean securely wiping with shred, just erase all previous partition info without fdisking one by one) |
| 22:06.14 | mo2000 | nsadmin: the bad thing for me: i have on monday to be there at 5:30 and put in the plug *GGGGGRRRR* |
| 22:06.23 | manuel__ | _santa, wy did you do your own init? |
| 22:06.32 | k\t | jelly-home: and have no framebuffer loaded even as a module? |
| 22:06.37 | jelly-home | k\t: right |
| 22:06.43 | k\t | hmm, brb |
| 22:06.46 | mo2000 | nsadmin: But tell me what problem do you have? |
| 22:06.47 | nsadmin | you mean the guy who pulled it didn't put it back... hmm :) |
| 22:06.53 | manuel__ | syslq, fdisk |
| 22:07.01 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 22:07.21 | jelly-home | k\t: ^^ |
| 22:07.22 | mo2000 | nsadmin: right... and he did not say "it was me" when i am asking |
| 22:07.24 | nsadmin | it's just trying to start it, I looked around for my xen configs but can't find them |
| 22:07.28 | _santa | manuel__: Well, it's a very simple script that does not actually mount any partition. It only prints that initrafms is active. But the problem is that kernel does not see this file :( |
| 22:08.06 | nsadmin | let me try once more |
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| 22:08.34 | mo2000 | nsadmin: but i installed a little cam on the site... so when the person is there and did not answer correctly he will get much troubble |
| 22:08.37 | _santa | I can provide a shell sctipt which created my initramfs file |
| 22:08.44 | mo2000 | maybe "she" |
| 22:08.53 | manuel__ | _santa, generate the init witch update-initramfs then open the image and modify the init script on the top level and pack it all together again |
| 22:09.03 | manuel__ | witch -> with |
| 22:09.31 | k\t | i can issue the same command(s) at boot right? |
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| 22:09.38 | nsadmin | don't do any of that on MY acct :) |
| 22:09.51 | manuel__ | _santa, does your script only print "init active " or soething? |
| 22:10.01 | nsadmin | I seem to have some xen-3.5 stuff... |
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| 22:12.52 | k\t | yep... |
| 22:13.01 | k\t | there you haveit jelly-hme .. |
| 22:13.53 | k\t | commenting out uvesafb from /etc/modules and commenting out vga=... from lilo.conf -> lilo ; reboot... works good now |
| 22:13.54 | nsadmin | what' |
| 22:14.02 | nsadmin | what's xm*.conf? |
| 22:14.24 | \amethyst | manuel__: aha, here we go: wmctrl -b add,below -r 'window title' |
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| 22:16.09 | _santa | Hello again. I want to make initramfs by myself, not by editing the existing initramfs, but make my own from scratch |
| 22:16.31 | _santa | Can anybody help me and point where the error could be? I used this script to make it: http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?bsxsh4asjaqk |
| 22:16.47 | k\t | jelly-hme: thanks alot man. |
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| 22:17.07 | nsadmin | _santa what error? |
| 22:17.26 | _santa | nsadmin: Failed to execute /init. No init found |
| 22:17.33 | \amethyst | manuel__: as for making it unrecognized, I'm not sure... wmctrl can set skip_taskbar |
| 22:17.54 | nsadmin | probably the error is before that, maybe fail to mount / |
| 22:17.54 | \amethyst | manuel__: would 'sticky' (on all desktops) do what you want? I'm not too familiar with openbox |
| 22:18.46 | _santa | nsadmin: In case of failure to mount / how can I fix it? And what way can i definitely get to know weather / was mounted properly ? |
| 22:19.00 | nsadmin | just so you know I'm here about 5 - 10% right now |
| 22:19.07 | simonrvn | 'whether' |
| 22:19.15 | nsadmin | watch as it boots |
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| 22:20.26 | nsadmin | the basic deal, is initrds are needed just to make sure the drivers which suppport the device and filesystem of / are available |
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| 22:20.52 | nsadmin | if you have a kernel with that stuff -in- the kernel, you might not need an initrd |
| 22:20.59 | mo2000 | nsadmin: i just mounted a old xen system_root... but i cant find a "xm*.conf" |
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| 22:21.10 | nsadmin | ok |
| 22:21.37 | nsadmin | actually what I found was a coupla xm*.tmpl |
| 22:21.49 | nsadmin | looks like they make .confs |
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| 22:22.15 | silidan | is there a channel to discuss debian sid related stuff? |
| 22:22.18 | manuel__ | \amethyst, i want just a console on the desktop , simple, the problem just comes in as the console should not be minimized by openbox with the toggleDesktop command but all normal consoles are minimized exept of urxvt with override-redirect option but then it will stay on the top of everything and is not recognosed my windowmanager anymore ->wmctrl does not work |
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| 22:22.59 | manuel__ | i tried wmctrl -b add,below -r urxvt |
| 22:23.43 | nsadmin | mo2000 how do you personally go about starting a domU? say you're workign on it and you want to start, stop, start, stop, tinker, etc |
| 22:24.21 | mo2000 | nsadmin: ups... bad... no xen on that fs... ok that was my last try... i changed totaly away from Xen and go to kvm |
| 22:24.24 | manuel__ | \amethyst, the onsole dont even gets focus hav to use xdotool setfocus to get it focused |
| 22:25.30 | nsadmin | mo2000 I will probably eventually do that too, but I want to at least try this thing once more |
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| 22:25.41 | nsadmin | btw I found that I have the command xm |
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| 22:27.42 | silidan | ok my problem: update-grub finds all kernels and my winxp install but right after it found winxp it gives error: grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem .... any ideas how to fix that? |
| 22:29.34 | mo2000 | nsadmin: my main problem was to have a xen enabled desktop... ok 4 intependend Displays on ATI is generally bullshit... so i changed first to nVidea... and after a few crashes to KVM since that no mor trouble |
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| 22:30.35 | nsadmin | I just moved away from nvidia because xen and nvidia weren't playing nice |
| 22:30.51 | manuel__ | silidan, do you have an initramfs with ntfs module or do you have ntfs in the kernel ? |
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| 22:32.03 | silidan | manuel_ i dont know it worked till the update... |
| 22:32.11 | nsadmin | anyway I may be gone if my car starts... |
| 22:32.12 | gauge | um, hey I'm a bit in trouble. I need to repair lilo. I have booted from deban-testing CD1, and I mounted my hard drive (sda1). |
| 22:32.19 | silidan | manuel_ how can i check? |
| 22:32.26 | gauge | now I am a little unsure of what paramaters to use to install lilo... |
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| 22:32.49 | deb-n00b | how do i install flash on debian? |
| 22:32.53 | deb-n00b | j |
| 22:32.59 | gauge | would it be 'lilo -A /dev/sda'? |
| 22:33.04 | abrotman | !tell deb-n00b about adobe flash |
| 22:33.07 | abrotman | !tell deb-n00b about bpo |
| 22:33.19 | deb-n00b | what? |
| 22:33.26 | abrotman | deb-n00b: go to backports.org .. follow the instructions .. install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 22:33.55 | manuel__ | silidan, lsmod but i just realized that this is not your problem |
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| 22:34.11 | manuel__ | silidan, do you had grub before the update? and now grub2 ? |
| 22:34.18 | mo2000 | nsadmin: There is no "Highend" Graphics card (or better no card that have other than the VESA Modes) is accepted by xen... and if you ask support you get one simple answer: "xen is for server system, there is no need for better graphics" |
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| 22:35.05 | phaidros | anyone ever got liquidsoap running on arm? |
| 22:35.17 | silidan | manuel_ yes i had grub running before the update and all was well, then i updated did a reboot and wanted to boot into winxp when it gave me an error, so i booted in debian again and did update-grub to find out it gives the mentioned error |
| 22:35.25 | gauge | ok.. I reread the man page for lilo. I think i need to run "lilo -M /dev/sda". ...any sudgestions? |
| 22:36.03 | jelly-hme | gauge: why not just run "lilo"? |
| 22:36.25 | deb-n00b | is backport like the updated less stable repo? |
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| 22:36.35 | mo2000 | nsadmin: And i hop you did not change to ATI and have more then one Display -> Try to open a new X-Session |
| 22:36.37 | gauge | well, it says "duplicate entry... line 85 'etc/lilo.conf. |
| 22:36.53 | jelly-hme | gauge: fix that then, first |
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| 22:37.23 | gauge | um. I am running of the debian installer CD. I didn;t think it ould be that easy... |
| 22:37.29 | gauge | *off of the |
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| 22:37.48 | jelly-hme | gauge: I assume you've chrooted into your mounted real system |
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| 22:38.16 | fismoll8 | hey guys--does anyone know a simple way of doing a time-machine like backup of a dual boot machine (ie osx snow leopard and debian) |
| 22:38.17 | gauge | yeah I beleive so. i made a dir "/hd/" and mounted /dev/sda1 there. |
| 22:38.22 | gauge | and ran chroot /hd/ |
| 22:38.33 | gauge | ..I done good so far? |
| 22:38.38 | manuel__ | silidan, you could try to make a new grub config with: grub -mkconfig |
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| 22:39.18 | jelly-hme | gauge: right. So the next step is to reinstall the boot loader, which lilo does every time you ask it to update its config. |
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| 22:40.10 | gauge | nifty. |
| 22:40.25 | gauge | ah. it yelled at me. |
| 22:40.43 | gauge | fatal: raid_setup stat /dev/sda" |
| 22:40.59 | jelly-hme | gauge: ah, your /dev is empty. |
| 22:41.13 | silidan | manue_ /boot/grub/video.lst could not be opened to read ... |
| 22:41.14 | gauge | .....go on.... |
| 22:41.26 | jelly-hme | gauge: exit the chroot, run "mount --bind /dev /hd/dev", and chroot into it again |
| 22:41.50 | gauge | "exit the chroot". ..how do I do that? "exit"? |
| 22:41.54 | JPT | yep |
| 22:42.03 | JPT | just like you exit "su" |
| 22:42.04 | jelly-hme | gauge: yes, it's just a shell process |
| 22:42.11 | silidan | manuel_ /boot/grub/video.lst could not be opened to read ... |
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| 22:42.28 | gauge | wiiiiicked pissah |
| 22:42.36 | mo2000 | gn8... |
| 22:42.41 | gauge | 3 warnings sounds like a passing grade to me. |
| 22:42.51 | gauge | jelly-hme: Many thanks good sir. |
| 22:42.54 | jelly-hme | possibly |
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| 22:43.11 | jelly-hme | gauge: exit the chroot again, umount /hd/dev and /hd |
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| 22:43.33 | gauge | holds his breath. |
| 22:43.48 | gauge | ha! IT LIVES! |
| 22:44.12 | jelly-hme | the horror |
| 22:44.13 | dvs | shoots it |
| 22:44.57 | gauge | well it was probally for the best. Lodie knows I'llget more work done w/o having a dedicated porrn server.... |
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| 22:46.06 | Monotoko | hi guys |
| 22:46.14 | Monotoko | in need of some help.... |
| 22:46.26 | manuel__ | silidan, do you have that file ? |
| 22:46.55 | Monotoko | i installed deb5, but i had no internet...did some googling and installed madwifi |
| 22:47.20 | Monotoko | added the ath_pci to my kernal modules..and all was well |
| 22:47.34 | manuel__ | silidan, i opened it there is only "vbe" in it |
| 22:47.41 | silidan | manuel_ no i dont have it |
| 22:47.45 | Monotoko | but when trying to connect...i have no network manager...and the aptidtue says it aint a valid install?? |
| 22:47.52 | manuel__ | silidan, just create it and write vbe in it |
| 22:47.56 | manuel__ | and run command again |
| 22:47.56 | Monotoko | *aptitude |
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| 22:48.23 | Monotoko | ....anyone? |
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| 22:48.52 | manuel__ | silidan, or do reinstall of grub this file should be there |
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| 22:49.19 | k\t | hmm, i need proxz... |
| 22:49.32 | manuel__ | Monotoko, i thik you need the wireless-tools and maybe some firmware |
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| 22:50.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Monotoko: you need to give us better error messages :/ |
| 22:50.04 | Monotoko | wireless-tools is already the newest version |
| 22:50.09 | manuel__ | Monotoko, i had to install wlan firmware packages and some wifi tools |
| 22:50.10 | silidan | manuel_ this is getting worse:/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `/boot/grub/locale'.No path or device is specified. |
| 22:50.32 | silidan | this is the output of grub-mkconfig.... |
| 22:50.45 | manuel__ | silidan, reinstall grub2 !!! it seems there are some important files missing! |
| 22:50.56 | Monotoko | hiya Kamping_Kaiser :P i killed my last install with a new kernal -.- and there are no error messages |
| 22:51.03 | silidan | manuel_ ok but honestly i have no idea how that could have happened |
| 22:51.07 | Monotoko | just that i have no network manager |
| 22:51.27 | manuel__ | Monotoko, do you mean graphiicly ? |
| 22:51.39 | silidan | manuel_ by the way grub2 isnt even installed at least this is what synaptic tells me |
| 22:51.41 | Monotoko | aye, well, i have one, it just isnt working... |
| 22:51.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Monotoko: hey ;) |
| 22:52.00 | manuel__ | silidan, i dont know as well but this sounds not like a normal install |
| 22:52.06 | manuel__ | i will pass my /boot |
| 22:52.40 | Monotoko | ahhh..i have apparabntly broken it -.- |
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| 22:53.02 | nrs | is there any way to undo apt-get upgrade? it uses much more ram now :< |
| 22:53.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | nrs: no |
| 22:53.12 | manuel__ | silidan, http://pastebin.com/d269e6946 |
| 22:53.33 | Monotoko | "Package network-manager is not available, but is referred to by another package" |
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| 22:53.41 | manuel__ | Monotoko, what exactly is not working anymore |
| 22:53.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | manuel__: whats the contents of your /boot/grub/locale ? |
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| 22:54.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | Monotoko: did you install some stuff with dpkg -i? or change your sources.list? |
| 22:54.24 | Monotoko | i installed madwifi |
| 22:54.34 | manuel__ | Kamping_Kaiser, empty on my install |
| 22:54.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | Monotoko: how |
| 22:54.40 | xyan | silidan: if you upgraded to 1.98~20100128-1, then _downgrade_ to 1.98~20100115-1. the newer one is utterly broken fetch grub-common and grub-pc from here http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/grub2/ |
| 22:54.42 | Monotoko | would it be easier to reinstall? |
| 22:54.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | manuel__: interesting. I don't have the file at all |
| 22:54.49 | Monotoko | got it from the internet |
| 22:54.53 | Monotoko | on another computer |
| 22:54.56 | Monotoko | a .deb file |
| 22:55.02 | Monotoko | and transfered it over using USB |
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| 23:06.37 | *** topic/#debian by zelazny.freenode.net -> lenny (debian 5.0.4) released /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
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| 23:06.55 | Monotoko | bloody hell -.- |
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| 23:06.57 | elly | that was cool |
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| 23:06.57 | manuel__ | does anybody know the commadn to parse openbox conf again ? |
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| 23:06.57 | manuel__ | command |
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| 23:07.14 | abrotman | where'd he go ? |
| 23:07.24 | nsadmin | heehoo? |
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| 23:07.50 | jelly-hme | evil elky the nick flooder! |
| 23:07.52 | Monotoko | invite only?? |
| 23:07.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 23:08.09 | Monotoko | are we stable again |
| 23:08.11 | Monotoko | ? |
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| 23:08.46 | nsadmin | Monotoko: recursion. base case: are you stable? |
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| 23:09.24 | Monotoko | ..huh? XD |
| 23:09.39 | silidan | xyan: thanks this deb downgrade solved my problems |
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| 23:10.25 | abrotman | Monotoko: why don't you have an http source ? |
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| 23:11.07 | nsadmin | the recursion is: partition everyone on the channel who hasn't been asked yet, ask each if they're stable and 10 neighbors are stable.. if you get back a yes from each, return yes to your caller |
| 23:11.28 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: stack overflow |
| 23:11.37 | bigzed | did anyone of you ever compiled ruby 1.9.1-p376 on debian lenny? |
| 23:11.43 | nsadmin | shortstack! |
| 23:11.47 | abrotman | bigzed: did you ? |
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| 23:12.23 | bigzed | i tryied it for 2h, but the gcc doent stoped yet and is compiling parse.c for nearly 1h |
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| 23:13.04 | nsadmin | what machine do you have? how much ram? |
| 23:13.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | two hours? lol. i task you with openoffice next. on a 500mhz arm |
| 23:13.24 | bigzed | 512mb ram and a atom cpu |
| 23:13.56 | bigzed | i think it is bug or i have forgotten a dependcy but i cant figure what |
| 23:14.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | if its still compiling, why are you worried? |
| 23:14.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | why are you trying to compile ruby yoursel fis the other question |
| 23:14.39 | bigzed | last timed i compiled it, it was only 20min on the same machine |
| 23:14.42 | nsadmin | ls -l in that dir |
| 23:14.42 | nrs | Kamping_Kaiser thanks, it realy was that program. |
| 23:14.48 | nsadmin | see if there are growing files |
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| 23:15.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | nrs: np. how do you accidentally wind up with bind installed? |
| 23:15.17 | nsadmin | if yes, it's working.... slowly (wonder why tho, still( |
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| 23:15.27 | nrs | Kamping_Kaiser apt-get update and upgrade |
| 23:15.30 | nrs | :) |
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| 23:15.53 | bigzed | because the debian packages in the repository are not up to date to use rails 2.3.5 |
| 23:16.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | nrs: /me wonders wtf you had installed before the upgrade then o_0 |
| 23:16.37 | nrs | Kamping_Kaiser nothing |
| 23:16.43 | nrs | fresh install |
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| 23:17.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | sure sure |
| 23:17.24 | bigzed | the compiling process is working.. ram usage 26% maybe i shouldnt worry but last time it was more than an hour faster |
| 23:18.10 | nrs | ncsd is something i dont need too i guess right/ |
| 23:19.02 | jelly-hme | nrs: nscd? On a desktop machine, you don't need it. |
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| 23:19.19 | jelly-hme | also, it's buggy when you really need it :-| |
| 23:19.24 | nrs | its not a desktop mashine |
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| 23:19.37 | nrs | just a small vps server |
| 23:19.42 | jelly-hme | nrs: will you have thousands of users? |
| 23:19.45 | nrs | nah |
| 23:19.46 | nrs | never |
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| 23:19.54 | jelly-hme | don't need it |
| 23:20.07 | nrs | ok thanks, and last question about xinetd |
| 23:20.15 | nrs | what is it and to i need it |
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| 23:20.33 | silidan | what can i do with a system that boots in the grub command promt? |
| 23:21.18 | jelly-hme | nrs: it's a super-service, you need an inetd if you're going to have inetd-based services. |
| 23:21.22 | jelly-hme | !inetd |
| 23:21.24 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about <update-inetd> |
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| 23:21.50 | nsadmin | silidan just about any boot |
| 23:21.54 | jelly-hme | nrs: debian's base system install does _not_ bring xinetd. |
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| 23:22.13 | silidan | nsadmin: anywhere a good tutorial on actually booting a linux with it? |
| 23:22.18 | nsadmin | the tab key is your friend |
| 23:22.35 | Monotoko | silidan...not much? XD |
| 23:23.04 | Monotoko | i believe you can set your MBR back up |
| 23:23.07 | Monotoko | and thats about it |
| 23:23.12 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | nsadmin: I fixed it. The problem was that busybox was compiled with shared libs |
| 23:23.23 | jelly-hme | silidan: you can read about grub somewhere, esp. root, kernel, initrd and boot commands. |
| 23:23.42 | jelly-hme | Monotoko: he can boot linux from grub. |
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| 23:25.05 | _s_a_t_a_n_ | nsadmin: Do you know what devices do i have to create? I got a message that /dev/tty cannot be accessed. But apart from it what minimum amount of devices should i copy to initramfs? |
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| 23:25.23 | bigzed | ok, to wait 2h was a good decision ruby is compiled ;) |
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| 23:27.21 | nsadmin | bigzed still wonder why so slow |
| 23:29.09 | Monotoko | why is the uk debian archive a bad archive? -.- |
| 23:29.25 | silidan | Monotoko, well i can boot anything bootable... |
| 23:29.46 | silidan | Monotoko: look here i found: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622 |
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| 23:30.17 | Monotoko | ahhhh nice |
| 23:30.32 | nsadmin | silidan good :) so you see, grub is very cool, especially that grub shell |
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| 23:31.53 | abrotman | Monotoko: just add an http archive |
| 23:31.56 | nsadmin | but in order to use it to "boot anything", you have to understand some things, probably the first of which is what are the boot setups or boot concepts that are used to put a working boot together |
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| 23:32.36 | rgr | that would be all he would need to know since it encompasses everything. |
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| 23:33.01 | nsadmin | well that and how to express what you want |
| 23:34.34 | nsadmin | but once you understand at least some of the ways boots are set up, the grub shell and the tab key take you pretty far |
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| 23:36.20 | silidan | nsadmin: but i have a problem, grub talls me it doesnt knwo comman kernel... |
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| 23:38.07 | nrs | is there any program what does directories, runable files colored? |
| 23:38.14 | abrotman | ls --color ? |
| 23:38.36 | nrs | hmm and how do i get it collored on ls without prefix? |
| 23:39.20 | bigzed | nsadmin: me too |
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| 23:42.00 | silidan | nsadmin: how can i find out what kernels i can load from a certain root partition? |
| 23:42.02 | nooper | nrs: if you're on debian 5, you can uncomment "force_color_prompt=yes" in ~/.bashrc |
| 23:42.40 | nsadmin | silidan: what partition is your /boot stored? |
| 23:43.12 | silidan | nsadmin: no idea |
| 23:43.17 | nsadmin | for known commands hit tab at beginning of line |
| 23:43.36 | nsadmin | silidan: try root ( <tab> |
| 23:43.38 | nsadmin | not enter |
| 23:44.28 | silidan | nsadmin: there are 2 possible candidates... |
| 23:44.46 | silidan | nsadmin hd0,4 and hd0,6 |
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| 23:47.36 | nrs | found that alias can do that function too but thanks nooper |
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| 23:47.38 | nsadmin | ok, try putting hd0,4) |
| 23:47.43 | nsadmin | and hit enter |
| 23:48.11 | nsadmin | then type kernel / <tab> |
| 23:48.39 | Monotoko | shouldnt there be an open bracket there nsadmin? |
| 23:48.55 | nsadmin | we're editing an existing line |
| 23:49.00 | Monotoko | ahhh |
| 23:49.15 | nsadmin | we already did root ( which should still be there |
| 23:49.24 | Monotoko | i see :P |
| 23:50.01 | nsadmin | well if he followed the dirs exactly :) |
| 23:50.08 | silidan | nsadmin: it doesnt know the "kernel" command |
| 23:50.23 | nsadmin | are you hitting enter? |
| 23:50.38 | silidan | it says: unknown command kernel |
| 23:50.47 | nsadmin | are you hitting enter? |
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| 23:50.55 | silidan | no im just staring at it |
| 23:51.02 | silidan | sure i am hitting it |
| 23:51.09 | silidan | or i would not get that answer |
| 23:51.10 | Monotoko | he means instead of tab... |
| 23:51.21 | silidan | tab just does nothing |
| 23:51.38 | nsadmin | this must not be grub legacy |
| 23:51.49 | silidan | this is a fail grub |
| 23:51.56 | silidan | an accident so to say |
| 23:52.24 | nsadmin | any idea what version it is? |
| 23:53.21 | nsadmin | if it's not legacy, I don't know the command structure at all |
| 23:53.58 | nsadmin | what happens if you hit tab at the very beginning of the line |
| 23:54.54 | silidan | nsadmin no idea |
| 23:55.20 | nsadmin | ok, so second q? |
| 23:55.25 | silidan | alot of commands pop up |
| 23:55.30 | nsadmin | good |
| 23:55.38 | nsadmin | and kernel is not there? |
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| 23:55.54 | silidan | nope |
| 23:56.12 | nrs | for some reason i cant login to user i created |
| 23:56.16 | nrs | useradd nrs -p password -d /home/nrs |
| 23:56.18 | nrs | is right syntax? |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | nrs: adduser |
| 23:56.28 | nrs | in centos it works fine for me |
| 23:56.29 | Monotoko | okay, can someone walk me through how i connect to the internet using wifi in debian 5? |
| 23:56.39 | nsadmin | put nrs at the end |
| 23:57.11 | Monotoko | in ubuntu i see a lil icon at the top and click it and theres my wifi |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | nrs: use 'adduser' |
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| 23:57.53 | nsadmin | nrs look at the /etc/passwd entry it created |
| 23:57.59 | nsadmin | anything missing? |
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| 23:58.24 | nrs | nrs:x:1000:1000::/home/nrs:/bin/sh |
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| 23:58.31 | nrs | no password? |
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| 23:58.55 | abrotman | there are probably lots of tihngs missing .. use 'adduser' .. it's there for a reason .. if you can't figure out useradd .. try the man page .. |
| 23:59.06 | nsadmin | actually looks good... try passwd nrs |
| 23:59.51 | nsadmin | see it will -directly- put the text you give it in the passwd entry |
