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| 00:00.04 | nsadmin | won't cryptify it or anything |
| 00:00.10 | nsadmin | so it won't work |
| 00:00.19 | nsadmin | you would have to run passwd on it |
| 00:00.24 | nrs | adduser worked |
| 00:00.25 | nrs | thanks |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:00.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: uhm .. how did it directly put the text in ? |
| 00:00.54 | nsadmin | into the shadow file |
| 00:01.10 | Monotoko | "2: Install the network-manager-gnome package:" will i need to get the deb...because it doesnt seem to be on the CD guys... |
| 00:01.15 | nsadmin | if you do useradd -p bar foo |
| 00:01.25 | ElDiabolo | Is there any other way than a noexec mount to make the contents of /tmp noexec for www-data.? |
| 00:01.34 | nsadmin | then you'll see foo:bar:,,,, in /etc/shadow |
| 00:01.43 | nsadmin | which won't work |
| 00:02.32 | themill | ElDiabolo: nothing wrong with a noexec mount for /tmp; you just have to remount exec when installing packages. |
| 00:02.41 | abrotman | nsadmin: less enter |
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| 00:04.50 | Carneque | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.08 | Carneque | sorry, way behind in chat |
| 00:05.11 | Monotoko | hmmm...my wifi is listed when using "iwconfig" under wlan0 |
| 00:05.26 | Monotoko | is that okay? i havent installed madwifi yet |
| 00:05.33 | Monotoko | do i need too? |
| 00:05.48 | nvz | Monotoko: can you scan with iwlist wlan0 scan? |
| 00:06.06 | herbero | Hi, I had GRUB error 17 and I had no shell, but I got one with a live cd |
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| 00:06.16 | ElDiabolo | themill: Seems a bit overkill and its to restrictive. I am searching for something more subtle, maybe ACLs can do that. |
| 00:06.16 | Monotoko | interface does not support scanning: Netowork is down |
| 00:06.18 | herbero | I found out that my md1 RAID 5 is down I think |
| 00:06.29 | Monotoko | *Network |
| 00:06.30 | nvz | Monotoko: ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:06.36 | nvz | Monotoko: then try again |
| 00:06.40 | djanatyn-power | Hey, Debian noob here. Can anybody help me install Flash? (Debian is not Arch Linux >_>) |
| 00:06.45 | herbero | I know I can start it up again with mdadm, but how can I tell if one of my drives if broken? |
| 00:06.50 | herbero | hdparm or something? |
| 00:06.51 | Monotoko | nvz: No scan results |
| 00:06.59 | herbero | need a command to scan hard disk funtionality |
| 00:07.08 | nvz | Monotoko: then your card is working, and there are no networks available |
| 00:07.18 | Monotoko | ...there are networks available though |
| 00:07.23 | Monotoko | im connected to one on this computer |
| 00:07.30 | Monotoko | my own |
| 00:07.34 | nvz | Monotoko: then try scanning again *shrug* |
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| 00:07.42 | ElDiabolo | herbero: Give smartctl a try |
| 00:07.58 | Monotoko | still none available...are you sure my wifi card is working? |
| 00:08.10 | nvz | Monotoko: most all cards fail to initalize properly and you either gotta do that ifconfig trick or dhclient, or something to bring them up |
| 00:09.01 | nvz | Monotoko: it is working, yes.. or it would give you errors. however doesn't mean its working properly |
| 00:09.19 | nvz | Monotoko: I'd look at the output of dmesg |
| 00:09.39 | Monotoko | okay |
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| 00:10.17 | silidan | nsadmin: ok i am at a point where i know where my kernel is |
| 00:10.20 | Monotoko | wlan link is not ready |
| 00:10.38 | nvz | Monotoko: that message is from the first scan before the ifconfig |
| 00:10.50 | silidan | nsadmin: i know its on hd0,4 in /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 00:10.50 | Monotoko | then theres nothing else here |
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| 00:11.01 | Monotoko | that was the last message |
| 00:11.03 | nvz | Monotoko: what card is it? |
| 00:11.16 | silidan | nsadmin: but i feel it needs something else becasue if i just let it boot with that option i get kernel panic |
| 00:11.27 | Monotoko | Atheros AR242x |
| 00:11.36 | nvz | same one I have |
| 00:11.36 | ElDiabolo | Monotoko: Did you check if there is a hardware switch to turn the wlan off. Just guessing. |
| 00:11.49 | Monotoko | there is a hardware switch, but its on atm |
| 00:12.03 | nvz | Monotoko: what kernel version are you using? |
| 00:12.18 | Monotoko | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 00:12.24 | nsadmin | so your (hd0,4) is your / partition (you don't have a separate /boot) |
| 00:12.53 | nsadmin | silidan so what's the command to specify the kernel? |
| 00:13.11 | silidan | nsadmin: it was linux |
| 00:13.30 | nsadmin | SoulSeller: linux /boot/vmlinuz...? |
| 00:13.34 | nsadmin | err |
| 00:13.36 | nvz | if the hardware switch is off, the device will not scan, and thus will not report no scan results. As hardware switches turn the radio off |
| 00:13.46 | silidan | nsadmin: but besides the kernel what else do i need at options to prefent kernel panic not syncing vfs or somehing like that |
| 00:14.01 | Monotoko | nvz: but the hardware switch is on, the light goes off when its not |
| 00:14.03 | nvz | Monotoko: are you using the ath5k driver? |
| 00:14.08 | nsadmin | silidan it was: "linux /boot/vmlinuz..."? |
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| 00:14.19 | Monotoko | if it doesnt come with it, then im not |
| 00:14.33 | silidan | nsadmin it was "linux (hd0,4)/boot/vmblabla" |
| 00:14.37 | nvz | Monotoko: lsmod | grep ath5k |
| 00:15.00 | nsadmin | oh, so you didn't use the root cmd |
| 00:15.07 | nsadmin | is there a command initrd? |
| 00:15.10 | Monotoko | nvz: its given something, 3 lines |
| 00:15.13 | silidan | i use root before the linux command |
| 00:15.17 | Monotoko | do you need them? |
| 00:15.35 | silidan | nsadmin i used root before the linux command... should i just use t again with the linux command? |
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| 00:16.00 | nsadmin | no, hit tab at the beg of the line again and see the command list |
| 00:16.03 | nvz | Monotoko: not really. I think you need to get a newer kernel. mine has 5 |
| 00:16.15 | Monotoko | what kernal do you have? |
| 00:16.20 | nvz | Monotoko: I was not able to get that card working properly with stock kernels. needed .30 or newer |
| 00:16.34 | Monotoko | right, il get a new kernal and try again |
| 00:16.35 | nsadmin | is there a command initrd? |
| 00:16.51 | silidan | will check |
| 00:16.54 | nvz | Monotoko: running a custom 2.6.32.2 right now.. but the backports/kmuto 2.6.3* kernels should work |
| 00:17.15 | silidan | yes there is |
| 00:17.52 | nsadmin | (since you set the root, you could have done: linux /boot/vmblabla) |
| 00:18.01 | Monotoko | nvz: how do i download them...the debian site or the general linux kernals site? |
| 00:18.01 | nsadmin | ok, try this |
| 00:18.24 | nvz | Monotoko: gimme a sec to see whats available in backports |
| 00:18.24 | nsadmin | initrd /boot/initrd (the one that matches version with the kernel exactly) |
| 00:18.32 | Monotoko | kk |
| 00:19.19 | nsadmin | oh, and in the linux line we didn't have you feed it root=/dev/whatever so we're going to hve to do that |
| 00:19.48 | silidan | nsadmin: yea it went further... but it ended at: /bin/sh: cant acces tty; job control turned off (initramfs) |
| 00:20.28 | silidan | nsadmin for the linux line: how can i find out what to type for that whatever? |
| 00:20.29 | nsadmin | we need to find out what your hd0 is really |
| 00:20.48 | nvz | Monotoko: you are using lenny right? |
| 00:21.00 | Monotoko | nvz: aye i am |
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| 00:21.22 | nsadmin | so boot into the grub shell again, set the root, then do cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 00:21.27 | nvz | Monotoko: there is a 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 on backports for lenny. would be like a roughly 8mb download I believe |
| 00:21.30 | nsadmin | probably it's one line |
| 00:21.41 | nvz | Monotoko: are you familiar with how to install backports? |
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| 00:21.53 | Monotoko | i cant connect it to the intenret... |
| 00:21.57 | Monotoko | *internet |
| 00:22.10 | nvz | Monotoko: don't have a thumbdrive or something? |
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| 00:22.32 | Monotoko | aye i do |
| 00:22.39 | Monotoko | im not familia with backports |
| 00:22.56 | Monotoko | thought it was something which had to be installed on the lenny computer |
| 00:23.02 | nvz | well doesnt matter if you can't get it online |
| 00:23.25 | nvz | Monotoko: you can however download the kernel package on this box, put it on the thumbdrive, copy it over to that one, then install it |
| 00:23.34 | silidan | nsadmin: it spits out: (hd0) /dev/hda and thats it |
| 00:23.59 | Monotoko | ahhh good, where can i find the kernal package...and im gonna need the dev environment installed, hope its on the LiveCD -.- |
| 00:24.12 | nsadmin | ok one sec |
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| 00:25.17 | nvz | Monotoko: actually its 23M, the link is here: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686_2.6.30-8~bpo50+2_i386.deb |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | Monotoko: you have a machine you're using now with internet .. get the package on that computer .. put it on a usb stick, and install it on the other machine |
| 00:25.51 | Monotoko | ahhh its a deb, thats good :) i was expecting to have to compile it |
| 00:26.09 | nvz | Monotoko: na, I'm trying to get you net without compiling anything.. thats the whole point here. |
| 00:26.22 | Monotoko | cheers :) |
| 00:26.47 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 00:26.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
| 00:26.53 | jdm64 | pdns-recursor package is broken and preventing me from installing anything else!!! |
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| 00:27.52 | Monotoko | nvz: transfering it now...will i have to use dpkg to install? i know ubuntu came with something... |
| 00:27.55 | nvz | Monotoko: to be honest though if you think madwifi or something will support the card it would be worth a try at some point because I find that the AR242x is a bit flaky with the ath5k driver in the kernel. I haven't tried anything else yet.. but been tempted to. It works good enough that I haven't bothered, but less than perfect |
| 00:28.23 | nvz | Monotoko: you can use gdebi or dpkg. most likely dpkg -i, since gdebi probably inst installed yet and you don't have net yet |
| 00:28.39 | Monotoko | right, cheers |
| 00:28.43 | nsadmin | silidan: so it's hd0,4? |
| 00:29.06 | nsadmin | I think that's the same as /dev/hda5 |
| 00:29.07 | silidan | nsadmin, well yes |
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| 00:29.19 | silidan | nsadmin: good i already thought the same |
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| 00:29.30 | nsadmin | so you're going to re-enter the linux line, and add this at the end: |
| 00:29.32 | silidan | nsadmin: but it still stopped at that tty error thing |
| 00:29.42 | nsadmin | root=/dev/hda5 ro |
| 00:29.49 | silidan | o ro i forgot |
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| 00:30.12 | nsadmin | then do the initrd line |
| 00:30.15 | nsadmin | then try booting |
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| 00:30.30 | Monotoko | nvz: one of the reasons i switched from ubuntu was the wifi, the hardware light went out whenever i shut down, but i guess it must have been the driver playing up |
| 00:30.47 | silidan | nsadmin i did the initrd line |
| 00:31.00 | nsadmin | yes I know, you may have to re-enter it |
| 00:31.18 | nvz | Monotoko: I can't make any sense out of that comment. Have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 00:32.13 | silidan | nsadmin: damnit it still stops after /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off |
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| 00:32.42 | silidan | i mean it still lists usb diesconnects and reconnnects and loads the moduels |
| 00:32.54 | Monotoko | nvz: when i used ubuntu, the wifi did work but had problems, whenever i shut down the laptop, the wifi LED on the front would go out and the wifi wouldnt work next time i started it |
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| 00:33.26 | blendmaster1024 | anyone here bought an ipad? |
| 00:33.39 | nvz | Monotoko: shut down, or sleep? |
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| 00:33.48 | Monotoko | shut down |
| 00:33.49 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 00:33.55 | Monotoko | i had to restart into GRUB then switch off |
| 00:33.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 00:34.01 | Monotoko | to avoid the problem |
| 00:34.08 | nvz | Monotoko: hmm. thats strange. |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: how is that related to Debian ? |
| 00:34.29 | blendmaster1024 | that this is a big channel. |
| 00:34.42 | silidan | !votekick blendmaster1024 |
| 00:34.47 | abrotman | blendmaster1024: try #debian-offtopic |
| 00:34.50 | nvz | Monotoko: for the record, a standard reset proceedure for this card is "rmmod ath5k; modprobe ath5k; ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0" without the quotes of course |
| 00:35.03 | blendmaster1024 | 31 people? yeah, right |
| 00:35.08 | abrotman | go away |
| 00:35.19 | Monotoko | ahha, thank you! -copies that into a document- |
| 00:35.22 | silidan | unless you want to install debian on an ipad... |
| 00:35.27 | nvz | Monotoko: The damn thing never seems to work unless you initalize it with the ifconfig command like that, or do a dhclient first |
| 00:35.43 | nvz | Monotoko: for whatever reason, just loading the driver doesn't bring up the interface |
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| 00:36.26 | Monotoko | right,m let me try again, how do i scan? |
| 00:36.37 | nvz | Monotoko: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 00:36.44 | Monotoko | cheers |
| 00:37.03 | Monotoko | ahha! |
| 00:37.08 | Monotoko | 3 networks found ^.^ |
| 00:37.37 | nvz | Monotoko: the card is such a pita sometimes I hacked a shell script to manage it instead of using regular wifi tools alone |
| 00:37.40 | nsadmin | silidan: in -legacy- grub, you would set the root, use a kernel/linux line to specify the kernel and its root partition, an initrd line to specify the initrd image to load, and then boot |
| 00:37.52 | Monotoko | i might have to do the same...how do i connect from terminal? |
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| 00:39.14 | nsadmin | does grub need to know what the console is? how would you specify it to the kernel? |
| 00:39.41 | jdm64 | pdns-recursor package is broken and preventing me from installing anything else!!! |
| 00:39.42 | silidan | nsadmin: i solved my problem... there was the command configfile... which enabled me to load my backup grubcfg.... |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | jdm64: give us more details!!! |
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| 00:40.19 | nsadmin | silidan: good... and you learned something about grub in the process? |
| 00:40.36 | silidan | nsadmin: sure: always make a backup of a working config |
| 00:40.56 | nsadmin | silidan: cool... does the config file have the linux line it used? |
| 00:40.57 | silidan | nsadmin: and i know a little more on how to rescue a near to death grub |
| 00:41.03 | silidan | nsadmin: yes |
| 00:41.11 | nsadmin | could you show it? |
| 00:41.11 | jdm64 | abrotman: here's the output http://debian.pastebin.com/d29fa33c4 |
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| 00:41.39 | nsadmin | that grub was not near death... the only thing missing was the config :) |
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| 00:42.31 | silidan | nsadmin: in the linux line there is after the kernelfile: root=UUID=verylonghexadecimalnumber |
| 00:42.52 | nsadmin | anything after root=? |
| 00:42.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | its actually a UUID, not hex ;) |
| 00:42.56 | silidan | nsadmin followed by "ro single" |
| 00:42.58 | Monotoko | nvz: i nearly have it connected, how do i specify a WPA key using iwconfig |
| 00:43.17 | nsadmin | oh, so it doesn't specify the console |
| 00:43.20 | silidan | but what is UUID and how can i find out what to type there? |
| 00:43.51 | nvz | Monotoko: ugh.. thats a bitch.. you would serve yourself to install wicd from backports |
| 00:43.58 | nsadmin | long story... it refers to your partition without having to know what the device name is |
| 00:44.03 | nvz | Monotoko: and turn that wpa off for a minute if you can to do so |
| 00:44.26 | Monotoko | alright once sec, let me see if i can login |
| 00:44.27 | jdm64 | silidan: ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/ should help |
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| 00:44.55 | Monotoko | nvz: im in the router, may vanish while it reboots |
| 00:44.56 | nsadmin | yeah, which partition is that uuid? |
| 00:45.09 | nvz | Monotoko: noted |
| 00:45.22 | nvz | Monotoko: doubt it though, irc timeouts are long |
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| 00:46.46 | nvz | I stand corrected.. :-P |
| 00:46.49 | silidan | jdm64 thanks will try it |
| 00:46.59 | Monotoko | hahahah :P it takes a while to reboot XD |
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| 00:48.09 | iceroot | is there a special reason why apticron gives me 20 updates today? the sec-maillings-list didnt tell anything about these updates (base-files, dpkg, mysql and so on) |
| 00:48.23 | iceroot | lenny |
| 00:49.13 | nvz | Monotoko: how do you prefer to do this, in shell or in synaptic? |
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| 00:49.53 | Monotoko | shell, however i cant figure out how to connect it still -.- |
| 00:50.22 | nvz | Monotoko: without wpa its just iwconfig wlan0 essid linksys |
| 00:50.28 | nvz | Monotoko: where linksys is your essid |
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| 00:50.34 | nvz | Monotoko: then dhclient wlan0 |
| 00:51.00 | Monotoko | ahhh thats the bit i forgot |
| 00:51.07 | Monotoko | wooo i have an IP :D |
| 00:51.20 | nrs | php5 is already the newest version. |
| 00:51.24 | silidan | well my grub works again: thanks nsadmin (and xyan for the link to get the debs of a functioning grub...) |
| 00:51.26 | nrs | but its not working, any ideas why? |
| 00:51.46 | nvz | Monotoko: open up /etc/apt/sources.list in your editor (as root) nano, vi, whatever you prefer |
| 00:52.17 | Monotoko | uncomment the http mirror? |
| 00:52.35 | nvz | Monotoko: add this line "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" without the quotes |
| 00:52.46 | Monotoko | okay |
| 00:52.51 | nvz | Monotoko: and yes, uncommenting the normal http mirror would probably be a good idea too |
| 00:53.10 | nvz | Monotoko: when you're done, save the file and apt-get update |
| 00:53.32 | nrs | ah i got it working |
| 00:53.38 | nrs | nevermind |
| 00:53.39 | silidan | jdm64: no i just says file not found |
| 00:53.44 | nvz | Monotoko: then apt-get -t lenny-backports install wicd |
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| 00:54.03 | Monotoko | GPG error? |
| 00:54.07 | nvz | Monotoko: wicd can be used as a drop-in replacement for network-manger, so you can actually remove that package if you want. |
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| 00:54.14 | nvz | Monotoko: you can ignore that for now |
| 00:54.22 | Monotoko | alright |
| 00:54.22 | nvz | Monotoko: its not an error, its actually a warning |
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| 00:55.01 | nvz | Monotoko: actually if you also install lenny-backports-keyring along with wicd, you won't have that problem in the future |
| 00:55.11 | Monotoko | python problem... |
| 00:55.15 | nvz | Monotoko: you will need to apt-get update again after installing the keyring |
| 00:55.19 | jdm64 | silidan: do you know the partition it is? |
| 00:55.33 | Monotoko | python-urwid...dependancy not met |
| 00:55.42 | jdm64 | silidan: like sda1 or hda1? |
| 00:55.55 | nvz | Monotoko: did you uncomment your normal debian package mirror? |
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| 00:56.09 | Monotoko | i did, one sec let me recheck |
| 00:56.30 | Monotoko | ahhh, its just security.debian.org |
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| 00:56.41 | Monotoko | the updates...wheres the repo? |
| 00:56.45 | nvz | Monotoko: you need an official debian mirror. |
| 00:56.55 | Monotoko | goes to google |
| 00:56.57 | nvz | Monotoko: where are you geographically? |
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| 00:57.05 | Monotoko | UK |
| 00:57.56 | Monotoko | i am definatly getting a hard-drive backup after this...i aint going through this again -.- |
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| 00:58.30 | jdm64 | anyone know how to force a package to uninstall? |
| 00:58.53 | Monotoko | -f argument? |
| 00:59.09 | silidan | jdm64 i know the partition it is |
| 00:59.15 | nvz | Monotoko: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:59.21 | jdm64 | Monotoko: tryed that didn't work |
| 00:59.25 | OldParr | jdm64: aptitude remove package does not works? |
| 00:59.35 | Monotoko | cheers nvz |
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| 00:59.52 | silidan | jdm64: its is /dev/hda5 |
| 01:00.00 | jdm64 | OldParr: nope, the package is broken see http://debian.pastebin.com/d29fa33c4 |
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| 01:00.46 | Monotoko | nvz: thats better, its hit it, updating now |
| 01:01.10 | OldParr | jdm64: why do you have to uninstall it leave it there! |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | jdm64: it says to reinstall it |
| 01:01.53 | jdm64 | silidan: "ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/ | grep hda1" will give you the uuid it looks like ba72884d-c4cb-45af-add2-f3733cd0c4a7 |
| 01:01.55 | Monotoko | nvz: installed wirc, now what? |
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| 01:02.39 | OldParr | yes to reinstall it may be is the solution, but getting acustomed to the idea of leaving it on the system is not bad idea too |
| 01:03.15 | nvz | Monotoko: wicd, even |
| 01:03.35 | silidan | jdm64 are you talking about linux promt or grub promt? |
| 01:03.54 | jdm64 | OldParr: no, It won't let me do anything else untill I fix this issue (package wise) |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | jdm64: it says to reinstall it |
| 01:04.03 | OldParr | jdm64: try updating it ......... |
| 01:04.15 | nvz | Monotoko: I'd remove network-manager, and run wicd. it should be self-explanitory |
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| 01:04.35 | nvz | Monotoko: wicd isn't just for wifi, it runs as a daemon and manages all network interfaces |
| 01:04.40 | Monotoko | aye iv had a look at it, had to put my interface in, but itas picking up the networks now |
| 01:04.43 | nvz | so there is no need for network-manager |
| 01:04.50 | jdm64 | silidan: what exactly where you doing -- I forgot |
| 01:04.50 | Monotoko | alright il get rid of it |
| 01:05.10 | Monotoko | gone |
| 01:05.17 | OldParr | jdm64: update the package |
| 01:05.30 | abrotman | update it to what? |
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| 01:05.34 | Monotoko | so will wicd connect to wifi with WPA? |
| 01:05.59 | OldParr | abrotman: to it's newest version |
| 01:06.13 | abrotman | OldParr: did you read the error? |
| 01:06.39 | jdm64 | OldParr: tryed that still get errors! http://debian.pastebin.com/m77f7ddb |
| 01:06.43 | silidan | jdm64: wanting to find out how i can get the UUID in grub commandpromt |
| 01:06.59 | OldParr | yes, it says to reinstall it |
| 01:07.00 | abrotman | jdm64: do you know how to reinstall a package ? |
| 01:07.00 | silidan | jmd64: to boot a linux kernel manually |
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| 01:07.12 | abrotman | OldParr: so it says 'reinstall', not update .. |
| 01:07.23 | OldParr | sure you are wright |
| 01:07.54 | OldParr | to reinstall it is the best option |
| 01:08.09 | jdm64 | abrotman: how? |
| 01:08.13 | nvz | Monotoko: yes you just have to hit the configure or whatever button next to the connect button to setup the wpa |
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| 01:08.21 | nvz | Monotoko: it makes it pretty simple |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | jdm64: aptitude reinstall pdns-recursor |
| 01:08.42 | Monotoko | right...resetting router again then |
| 01:09.11 | Monotoko | thank you for all your help :) |
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| 01:09.51 | nvz | Monotoko: that's what I'm here for.. |
| 01:10.05 | nvz | Monotoko: well, that and the fact that this is cheaper than paying a shrink to listen to me talk |
| 01:10.38 | jdm64 | abrotman: says package not found? |
| 01:11.22 | jdm64 | silidan: you should be able to use the /dev/hda5 in grub |
| 01:11.24 | abrotman | jdm64: pastebin |
| 01:12.20 | jdm64 | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/m41be0afb |
| 01:12.39 | silidan | jdm64 but that my problem is i use that i get bash/sh cant acces tty or something like that and i have no control (i can type reboot though) |
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| 01:13.19 | abrotman | jdm64: dpkg -r --force-reinst-required pdns-recursor |
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| 01:14.18 | Monotoko | wooooooo :) |
| 01:14.26 | jdm64 | abrotman: command didn't work "dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `reinst-required'" |
| 01:14.26 | Monotoko | im on the lenny lappy ^.^ |
| 01:14.50 | jdm64 | silidan: what exactly are you entering? |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | jdm64: use a pastebin |
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| 01:16.19 | jdm64 | abrotman: http://debian.pastebin.com/m303b9a02 |
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| 01:17.00 | silidan | firts: root (hd0,4) second: linux /boot/vmblabla root=/dev/hda5 ro third: initrd /boot/initrdblabla fourth: boot |
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| 01:17.37 | abrotman | jdm64: sorry |
| 01:17.47 | abrotman | jdm64: dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq pdns-recursor |
| 01:18.25 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if its possible to back up filesystem data so that it gets everything except the actual data |
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| 01:18.51 | jdm64 | abrotman: nope http://debian.pastebin.com/m42344ee |
| 01:18.58 | JyZyXEL | so basically just the metadata |
| 01:20.09 | DIFH-iceroot | how to restart my system? http://pastebin.com/m472d5cd |
| 01:20.11 | abrotman | jdm64: in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/pdns-recursor.postinst .. put a "set -x" on the second line |
| 01:20.28 | simonrvn | DIFH-iceroot: `reboot' |
| 01:20.42 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: that was what i wrote |
| 01:21.00 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: and pastebin is the output, after that i get a promt again |
| 01:21.12 | simonrvn | init 6 |
| 01:21.15 | jdm64 | abrotman: after or before "set -e" |
| 01:21.24 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: if i am not back, it was working |
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| 01:21.30 | simonrvn | if that times out give it ctrl-alt-delete from the console |
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| 01:21.43 | abrotman | jdm64: duh .. i'm sorry .. put an "exit 0" .. not a set -x |
| 01:22.07 | silidan | jdm: i enter firts: root (hd0,4) second: linux /boot/vmblabla root=/dev/hda5 ro third: initrd /boot/initrdblabla fourth: boot as a result i get stuck during boot at sh cant access tty; job control disabled |
| 01:22.09 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: the same. i am connect with ssh, so ctrl alt del may not work |
| 01:22.12 | jdm64 | abrotman: at the top of that file? |
| 01:22.21 | silidan | jdm64: i enter firts: root (hd0,4) second: linux /boot/vmblabla root=/dev/hda5 ro third: initrd /boot/initrdblabla fourth: boot as a result i get stuck during boot at sh cant access tty; job control disabled |
| 01:22.25 | simonrvn | DIFH-iceroot: you didn't say that before |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | jdm64: second line |
| 01:22.36 | simonrvn | DIFH-iceroot: sec |
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| 01:23.35 | jdm64 | silidan: is this your own kernel or a supplied kernel? what version? It might be using /dev/sda5 instead of hd |
| 01:24.17 | mike-burns | I see there's an unrar-free. Is there an unrar-nonfree somewhere too? |
| 01:24.32 | simonrvn | `unrar' |
| 01:25.07 | silidan | jdm64 well will check that |
| 01:25.39 | mike-burns | Oh I bet I don't have the non-free repo thingie. |
| 01:25.58 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/m2012363e my try to reboot the system on ssh |
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| 01:26.03 | jdm64 | abrotman: didn't work still getting exit status 1 |
| 01:26.16 | abrotman | jdm64: pastebin ... |
| 01:26.36 | jdm64 | abrotman: yeah I was about to hold on http://debian.pastebin.com/m6afff290 |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | jdm64: i'm losing my mind .. add it to the pdns-recursor.prerm |
| 01:27.17 | simonrvn | DIFH-iceroot: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger # reboots the machine |
| 01:28.02 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: i will try |
| 01:28.49 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: no such file on lenny (its a vserver without an own kernel) |
| 01:28.55 | jdm64 | abrotman: I think that worked, let me try to do my updates.... |
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| 01:29.33 | simonrvn | DIFH-iceroot: your system is a veserver? do you have root access to the "host" ? |
| 01:29.42 | silidan | jdm64 no its using hda but its using hda4 not 5 |
| 01:29.44 | simonrvn | vserver* |
| 01:29.45 | DIFH-iceroot | simonrvn: only to the vm |
| 01:29.54 | kmc | is there an easy way to get a breakdown of disk space usage by Debian package? |
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| 01:30.10 | abrotman | !tell kmc about sort by size |
| 01:30.14 | jdm64 | abrotman: thanks that worked! |
| 01:30.17 | simonrvn | DIFH-iceroot: ask your admin to reboot the whatever it is... vm != vserver |
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| 01:30.38 | jdm64 | silidan: what kernel is this? |
| 01:30.56 | simonrvn | mike-burns: it requires non-free yes |
| 01:30.58 | DEbiansqueeze | when i did an upgrade i was asked if i wanted to chain load grub2 or install to mbr i chose chain load as far as i can see there is no boot using grub2 option. Am i missing somthing? |
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| 01:31.44 | silidan | jmd64, it works now the damn thing was it used hda4 not hda5... (kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64, from sid) |
| 01:32.22 | jdm64 | silidan: so it's working? you wern't that clear? |
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| 01:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | DIFH-iceroot: Sync your disk(s) and just kill it. It's not set up properly at all. |
| 01:33.44 | silidan | jdm64 yes it works. problem was: i used root=/dev/hda5 or /dev/sda5 which did not work, but it worked with root=/dev/hda4 in my linux line |
| 01:34.00 | jdm64 | silidan: ok |
| 01:34.24 | DIFH-iceroot | jhutchins_lt: kill? |
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| 01:34.52 | silidan | jmd64: but my actual problem of screwed up grub was solved much earlier by simply using the command configfile mybackupgrbcfg :) |
| 01:34.56 | jhutchins_lt | DIFH-iceroot: I presume the VM whas a method of forced shutdown equivalent of yanking the plug. |
| 01:35.11 | DIFH-iceroot | reboot -f i will try now |
| 01:36.04 | simonrvn | no it wasn't set up properly, otherwise that would work. |
| 01:36.07 | silidan | today i learned not to have suicide thoughts when seeing a grub command promt |
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| 01:37.26 | jhutchins_lt | Proc and init not being available are a pretty good sign it's b0rken. |
| 01:37.37 | DIFH-iceroot | reboot -f was working :) |
| 01:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds almost like a chroot. |
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| 01:38.11 | simonrvn | it does ... |
| 01:38.14 | simonrvn | lame |
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| 01:38.26 | simonrvn | i bet it was 'cheap' |
| 01:38.53 | Elshar | Wonder why they'd do that and not an openvz instance? |
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| 01:42.19 | jhutchins_lt | Elshar: We didn't exactly make a positive identification - other than messed up. |
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| 01:43.37 | Elshar | Yea, just seems odd. |
| 01:43.47 | Elshar | Has anyone had lots of experience doing odd things with LVM? |
| 01:44.40 | Elshar | Got this lvm array setup, and I've got a seperate boot drive. I'm not really happy with the debian-based dist I put on there, so I was wanting to just put deb lenny on the boot drive. Would it just pick up my lvm array? :) |
| 01:44.54 | DIFH-iceroot | hm, my vserver is running on openvz... no iptables and so on.. its not very nice but cheap :) |
| 01:45.05 | Elshar | Dreading having to dump 1TB of data or so over usb/firewire :P |
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| 01:47.20 | jdm64 | Elshar: it should auto detect it, but might not auto mount |
| 01:48.10 | topi` | odd, I have USBHID compiled-in the kernel, an USB keyboard connected, it shows up on /sys/devices/... but does not show up on /dev/input/* ... why not? |
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| 01:48.22 | topi` | yes, udev is running |
| 01:48.41 | jdm64 | Elshar: the lvm information is saved to the hard drives I think -- not exactly sure... |
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| 01:49.53 | simonrvn | it's saved in /etc/lvm/ |
| 01:49.55 | redduck676 | how can i tell apt please leave this package alone even if you think it is broken? i have used --force-depends-version to install the package http://dpaste.com/152776/ (i'm on ubuntu, but that shouldn't matter) |
| 01:50.16 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 01:50.29 | redduck676 | simonrvn: it is very specific apt question |
| 01:50.41 | adb | and ? |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | redduck676: go to #ubuntu, this channel is for Debian support |
| 01:51.03 | redduck676 | adb: i beleive me being on ubuntu shouldn't matter |
| 01:51.10 | simonrvn | redduck676: ubuntu ~= debian |
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| 01:51.17 | abrotman | != |
| 01:51.17 | simonrvn | redduck676: ubuntu != debian |
| 01:51.24 | ttuttle | Hi. Are there any ircds for Debian that are built with SSL? |
| 01:51.25 | simonrvn | typo... |
| 01:51.26 | redduck676 | simonrvn: the same thing would happen if i was on debian |
| 01:51.29 | ttuttle | (SSL support for clients, that is.) |
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| 01:51.41 | simonrvn | redduck676: be quiet |
| 01:51.42 | jdm64 | I'm seeing a constant load avg of 1.0 and my system's idle! |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | redduck676: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 01:52.13 | topi` | I wonder if he already got banned from #ubuntu, since he showed no willingness whatsoever to go ask there :) |
| 01:54.06 | topi` | jdm64: there's some task that is blocked by kernel i/o or such, and hence it seems there's always a task ready to run (although this would not be the case) |
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| 01:54.29 | topi` | i think these are related to kernel bugs with spinlocks and such |
| 01:54.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm. ttuttle didn't hang around |
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| 01:55.07 | jdm64 | topi`: is there a way to find out what task? |
| 01:55.21 | topi` | jdm64: I don't know, it usually does not show up on 'top' |
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| 01:55.48 | topi` | I encountered this more than once, and asked our resident kernel scheduler guru, and that's what he told me |
| 01:56.30 | jdm64 | topi`: must be with the recent kernel because this didn't happen before |
| 01:56.58 | topi` | yes, those are rare, and always happen with a certain kernel version |
| 01:57.12 | jdm64 | topi`: but there must be a way to find the task |
| 01:57.20 | topi` | but, if you're not seeing any perf penalty, I think it's a mostly harmless occurrence |
| 01:57.30 | krimou16 | hi, have a problem with my session, couldn't have graphical things, only grey screen and x pointer without right click, in the root session everything alright, i create another session aswell everything ok... any idea? |
| 01:57.45 | topi` | jdm64: even if you found that task, there's no way you could kill it since it is waiting on a kernel lock which is never going to get released |
| 01:58.26 | topi` | krimou16: this is default behavior for the 'xinit' command :) |
| 01:58.51 | jdm64 | topi`: but atleast I could know if it's an important task that I should restart the computer for |
| 01:58.51 | krimou16 | topi`: so what should i do? |
| 01:59.21 | topi` | jdm64: I think what you're going to see after restart, is that 1.00 load once again |
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| 02:00.04 | topi` | jdm64: I don't think this problem will compromise the stability of your system |
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| 02:00.25 | topi` | krimou16: I don't know, I only use xmonad with 'xinit' :) |
| 02:00.34 | topi` | no mouse for me |
| 02:00.54 | krimou16 | hmm |
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| 02:01.39 | jdm64 | topi`: ok, it seems to be running fine for about a week now (server). I'll just remember that's the problem... and hope a kernel update fixes it. |
| 02:01.58 | ttuttle | Hi. I did "apt-get source ircd-hybrid", and I got "sh: dpkg-source: command not found". How can I fix this? |
| 02:02.05 | topi` | jdm64: most probably. |
| 02:02.17 | topi` | ttuttle: apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 02:02.29 | ttuttle | topi`: Thanks! |
| 02:02.33 | nrs | thanks for earlier help guys, good night.. |
| 02:02.41 | ttuttle | topi`: (Will build-essential grab that?) |
| 02:02.53 | topi` | dunno, I usually have to install dpkg-dev manually |
| 02:03.44 | topi` | then again, I should make a huge list of packages needed, since I always end up installing the same packages over and over again when making new debootstraps |
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| 02:05.14 | ttuttle | topi`: build-essential grabbed it. |
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| 02:06.25 | ttuttle | Argh. |
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| 02:06.33 | ttuttle | The instructions to build ircd-hybrid with SSL support don't work. |
| 02:06.40 | ttuttle | Why can't OpenSSL just be @#$% GPL? |
| 02:06.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | "because" :p |
| 02:06.56 | ttuttle | This is so dumb. |
| 02:07.01 | sepult | because... |
| 02:07.07 | sepult | :P |
| 02:07.07 | ttuttle | All these people wrote this incredibly useful software, and I can't use it because they won't @#$% license it right. |
| 02:07.13 | sepult | just because |
| 02:07.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | ttuttle: use GNU-TLS? |
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| 02:07.34 | ttuttle | Kamping_Kaiser: They haven't ported it yet (at least in lenny). |
| 02:07.39 | sepult | @#$&% |
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| 02:07.51 | sepult | that's lenny |
| 02:07.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | ttuttle: :/ |
| 02:08.04 | ttuttle | sepult: What should I run instead? |
| 02:08.11 | sepult | hrmmm |
| 02:08.20 | sepult | i don't know |
| 02:08.27 | sepult | pkcs ? |
| 02:08.38 | sepult | ser ? |
| 02:08.41 | ttuttle | Oh, hmm. |
| 02:09.02 | topi` | ttuttle: debian won't prohibit you from running bsd-licensed sw |
| 02:09.10 | topi` | like openssh |
| 02:09.18 | topi` | i mean openssl |
| 02:09.32 | ttuttle | topi`: I know. I tried building ircd-hybrid with SSL support and the instructions failed. |
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| 02:09.57 | ttuttle | topi`: (A bunch of errors "error: `struct LocalUser' has no member named `sockhost'".) |
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| 02:10.43 | topi` | ttuttle: maybe there's a slightly different concept of "struct LocalUser" between the stuff you try to compile and the libs that exist on your system |
| 02:11.04 | topi` | if you know your way around different UNIX systems, you can mostly fix these issues quickly |
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| 02:11.35 | ttuttle | topi`: er, struct LocalUser is part of ircd-hybrid, I think. |
| 02:11.40 | topi` | I've ported a lot of stuff from linux to OSX (in practice FreeBSD) and learned quite a lot of the differences between Linux and BSD |
| 02:12.29 | topi` | ttuttle: try googling the error you get? someone else might have already solved the issue. |
| 02:12.48 | ttuttle | mutters something about USE="ssl" and tries googling. |
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| 02:13.48 | mike-burns | What license is OpenSSL? 4-clause BSD? |
| 02:13.54 | simonrvn | wtf? |
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| 02:14.23 | topi` | mike: dunno, I just made a guess about the BSD license since it comes from the OpenBSD folks |
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| 02:15.16 | mike-burns | Yeah, looks like it's 4-clause BSD. That's too bad, but their decision. |
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| 02:16.16 | topi` | has there been any effort to create a clone of openssl in GPL? |
| 02:16.33 | plugwash | there is libgnutls-extra |
| 02:16.43 | mike-burns | Has anyone contacted them, asking them to relicense under the 3-clause BSD? |
| 02:16.45 | ttuttle | topi`: Yeah, found it :) |
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| 02:18.31 | topi` | plugwash: how much of the openssl functionality does it replicate? |
| 02:20.13 | mike-burns | topi`: OpenSSL doesn't come from the OpenBSD guys. |
| 02:20.59 | plugwash | topi`, not sure I haven't used it myself |
| 02:21.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | topi`: i belieev these days its able to do most of openssl's work, including a compatability layer. |
| 02:21.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | *sp |
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| 02:22.17 | nsadmin | is it grub2 that has the "linux" command rather than the "kernel" command? |
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| 02:23.06 | mike-burns | http://marc.info/?l=openssl-dev&m=114779098320391&w=2 - this is the reason why OpenSSL won't move to 3-clause/GPL/whatever. |
| 02:23.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: command? |
| 02:23.25 | nsadmin | command. used in its shell. |
| 02:24.14 | nsadmin | but call it what you will; I dont mind... keyword, symbol... |
| 02:24.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, i've not dealt with grub2 shell yet |
| 02:26.20 | nsadmin | in legacy grub the command structure was the same no matter if you were in a grub shell spawned by typing "grub" at bash prompt, or the grub shell you get at boot, or what you put in the menu.lst |
| 02:27.17 | Da_Wrecka | Oh for the love of christ, why is it such a trial to get Xorg to fucking use 16-bit colour instead of 24-bit? |
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| 02:30.20 | nsadmin | whatever the default/detected color depth is, you don't have to deal with a config thing... once you have a config file, you might (or might not) have to understand its syntax and semantics |
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| 02:31.51 | Da_Wrecka | I find myself wondering if I just say "fuck this noise" and just write Linux on my craptop off as a bad job. |
| 02:32.50 | Da_Wrecka | Even if I get X to cooperate, I still have to figure out why I can't access the network on this thing |
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| 02:34.12 | sshc | what is dbus-daemon? |
| 02:34.14 | sshc | it's stealing my CPU cycles |
| 02:34.17 | sshc | is it safe to kill? |
| 02:35.00 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka what are your alternatives, and what do you want to do with the laptop (and potentially linux on it)? |
| 02:35.10 | mike-burns | sshc: GNOME relies on it to communicate between processes. |
| 02:35.42 | sshc | I don't need it, then, thanks |
| 02:35.51 | Da_Wrecka | nsadmin: I want to use this laptop for IRC, web browsing, and overall to learn my way around Linux to the point where I can potentially dump Windows like a scorpion-infested jockstrap. |
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| 02:36.31 | nsadmin | it's going to take time to do that learning |
| 02:36.59 | nsadmin | why 16-bit btw? |
| 02:37.16 | Da_Wrecka | Because the video adapter lacks sufficient memory to use 1024x768x24 |
| 02:37.39 | mike-burns | Da_Wrecka: Realistically, Linux is one of the harder unices to learn, but also the most compatible with your laptop. If you have the patience to learn it then it'll work fine for you soon enough. |
| 02:38.02 | Da_Wrecka | If it's that compatible then why is it dicking me around like this? |
| 02:38.23 | mike-burns | Oh I didn't say it was compatible, just more compatible than e.g. OpenBSD. |
| 02:38.31 | nsadmin | what were some of the issues for the network? |
| 02:39.05 | Da_Wrecka | If I set it to use DHCP, it won't receive an IP address. The same system with the same NICs with Windows 2000 has no problems accessing the LAN or Internet. |
| 02:39.32 | Da_Wrecka | If I set it to static IP, then it STILL won't access the LAN or Internet; Attempting to ping the gateway's IP address brings back "Destination host unreachable" |
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| 02:40.17 | nsadmin | hmm. basic connectivity failure. |
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| 02:40.54 | nsadmin | so you can't get the dhcp addr because you can't get packets |
| 02:41.01 | Da_Wrecka | Windows 2000 on this laptop, I can gain access to the Internet using the wireless NIC |
| 02:41.11 | Da_Wrecka | Linux, I can't even gain access to the LAN using the wired NIC. |
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| 02:43.33 | Da_Wrecka | I should perhaps point out that right now, the craptop in question is connected to the same switch as the gateway. |
| 02:43.41 | nsadmin | judd, test |
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| 02:44.06 | Da_Wrecka | There is literally nothing between the laptop and the gateway except one switch and about 5 metres of CAT5 |
| 02:44.20 | nsadmin | judd pciid 1234:6789 |
| 02:44.21 | judd | [1234:6789] is 'Unknown device' from 'Technical Corp.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1234:6789 |
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| 02:45.50 | Da_Wrecka | OH AT BLOODY LAST I've managed to get Xorg to use 1024x768. |
| 02:46.07 | Da_Wrecka | The screen actually fills the available area instead of having a two-inch black border around a tiny island. |
| 02:46.29 | nsadmin | it works now? :) |
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| 02:46.40 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: sounds like you are in a lot of pain |
| 02:46.41 | Da_Wrecka | not entirely |
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| 02:46.53 | topi` | did you find out how to test what happens to your network packets? |
| 02:46.57 | Da_Wrecka | The console (during boot) sits in that tiny island |
| 02:47.05 | lwizardl | Hi |
| 02:47.06 | nsadmin | so if I'm understanding you correctly, the benefit you seek is to be free of win |
| 02:47.09 | topi` | look at ifconfig output to see if the ethernet actually tries to send packets, or does it receive any |
| 02:47.53 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: what kind of ancient windows do you run on your laptop if all you get is 1024x768 in 16 bits??? |
| 02:47.53 | lwizardl | I was wondering if there is a way to create a custom Animated Login GUI theme for debian ? |
| 02:47.53 | topi` | this means like 1MB of video ram |
| 02:48.14 | Da_Wrecka | topi`: 2MB video RAM, actually |
| 02:48.24 | topi` | oh wow |
| 02:48.26 | Da_Wrecka | Windows 2000 is what I run on this |
| 02:48.27 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Old Dell laptop? |
| 02:48.31 | Da_Wrecka | Worse |
| 02:48.31 | topi` | win2000??? |
| 02:48.34 | Da_Wrecka | Old Compaq laptop |
| 02:48.53 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Ah. Well I've seen that island VGA mode on old Dells.. |
| 02:49.04 | topi` | umm, if you run a modern linux system on that old laptop, you'll get a lot of advantages, even perf advantages, in comparison with win2000 |
| 02:49.22 | Da_Wrecka | Assuming the bugger actually works! |
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| 02:49.38 | nsadmin | yeah, if he can get the devices to work |
| 02:49.45 | topi` | I think older laptops are pretty well supported nowadays |
| 02:49.46 | Da_Wrecka | what the crap! Suddenly my LAN is cooperating. |
| 02:49.51 | lwizardl | I want to know if this is possible to be done watch this video from times 6:22 - 6:35ish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyjqMg06Xhk&feature=PlayList&p=4B8421869C074D92&index=8 |
| 02:49.57 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: did you have the kernel module loaded? |
| 02:50.00 | beardy | Could be a pain though if that ugly VGA mode can't be fixed.. but you could use the framebuffer. |
| 02:50.01 | Da_Wrecka | I pulled out the wireless NIC and now the wired NIC can connect |
| 02:50.21 | nsadmin | oh really |
| 02:50.24 | Da_Wrecka | Let's put the wireless NIC back in without removing the wired NIC and see what happens... |
| 02:50.24 | nsadmin | wow |
| 02:50.30 | topi` | what kind of wireless does a laptop have that has only 2MB of VRAM?? |
| 02:50.51 | beardy | Any that fits on what they call the stick in modules this week. |
| 02:50.57 | Da_Wrecka | topi`: PCMCIA wireless |
| 02:51.03 | topi` | my first 802.11 system was my PowerBook G3, year 2000 |
| 02:51.19 | Da_Wrecka | I have a Belkin 802.11g PC card |
| 02:51.23 | Da_Wrecka | The wired NIC is a PC card too |
| 02:51.27 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: uh, I don't know if it's possible to get those pcmcia thingies to work |
| 02:51.36 | beardy | Give me an ISA 802.11g card and I'll be slightly impressed. |
| 02:51.41 | Da_Wrecka | Obviously it is, because the wired one seems to be cooperating |
| 02:51.56 | Da_Wrecka | I don't think ISA 802.11 NICs exist |
| 02:51.58 | topi` | it's a good sign then |
| 02:52.01 | Da_Wrecka | PCI ones do, but not ISA |
| 02:52.03 | beardy | Hence the impression. |
| 02:52.03 | nsadmin | remembers in one old dell that if the pcmcia didn't blacklist a particular irq the whole laptop crashes |
| 02:52.13 | Da_Wrecka | oops, there we go |
| 02:52.20 | Da_Wrecka | Now I'm getting "destination host unreachable" |
| 02:52.30 | herbero | is there a way to check hard drives from within rescue mode on the debian live cd? |
| 02:52.33 | nsadmin | on the wireless? |
| 02:52.45 | Da_Wrecka | yes |
| 02:52.52 | Da_Wrecka | Let's re-enter the wireless details, AGAIN, and see what happens |
| 02:52.57 | beardy | !badblocks |
| 02:53.13 | Da_Wrecka | (I swear to God this is like the fifth time I've done this) |
| 02:53.19 | dpkg | i guess badblocks is badblocks(8): search device for bad blocks |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | herbero: check it for what ? |
| 02:53.29 | nsadmin | thanks to whoever is hosting judd and whoever is running judd |
| 02:54.07 | herbero | abrotman: I suspect one of my hard drives either stopped working or had a filesystem problem because my raid 5 is now inactive, and I lost grub to error 17. But I have a shell |
| 02:54.18 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: do you know how to use the iwconfig tool? |
| 02:54.21 | herbero | abrotman: just want to know if I have to replace sdc1 |
| 02:54.30 | Da_Wrecka | topi: Not offhand but I think I could google it |
| 02:54.31 | adb | judd, hi |
| 02:54.32 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: What does your network use, do you know how to configure your wireless nic? |
| 02:54.33 | herbero | abrotman: I can post cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 02:54.59 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: No encryption, wep, or wpa2, the SSID, and so on? |
| 02:55.03 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: if you use a simple WEP key, then you can just use a simple iwconfig cmdline to hook up with that station |
| 02:55.10 | Da_Wrecka | I don't, topi |
| 02:55.16 | Da_Wrecka | It's a fairly complicated 63-character WPA2 key |
| 02:55.23 | topi` | like iwconfig wlan0 essid FOOBAR key abcdef |
| 02:55.30 | topi` | oh, shit |
| 02:55.37 | topi` | for wpa2, you need wpa_supplicant |
| 02:55.48 | herbero | abrotman: I just want to recover my remaining data...that way if I need to reinstall, I can |
| 02:55.57 | Da_Wrecka | is there a quick way to find out if I have wpa_supplicant available? |
| 02:55.58 | topi` | I don't have any experience with that, so can't really help |
| 02:56.05 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka what's your uname -r? |
| 02:56.13 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: it's in a debian package |
| 02:56.21 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: If you haven't installed it, you haven't. |
| 02:56.25 | Da_Wrecka | nsadmin: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 02:56.35 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: I don't know if I have it installed. |
| 02:56.41 | topi` | the pkg name is 'wpasupplicant' |
| 02:56.53 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: try 'dpkg -l | grep wpa' |
| 02:56.55 | Da_Wrecka | Hopefully I can turn off wireless and use the wired LAN to download the thing |
| 02:57.06 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: But there's interactive parts of it. "wpa[TABTAB]" |
| 02:57.21 | Da_Wrecka | ...oh farts, Terminal is using the American keyboard layout |
| 02:57.24 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka should be, if it just now worked |
| 02:57.32 | Da_Wrecka | Can someone tell me where the pipe character is on an American keyboard? |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | above the backslash |
| 02:57.40 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: What's your native layout? |
| 02:57.43 | Da_Wrecka | UK |
| 02:57.55 | Da_Wrecka | or at least that's the hardware layout |
| 02:58.02 | beardy | abrotman: ö is my US layout backslash ;) |
| 02:58.17 | Da_Wrecka | Got it, thanks abrotman |
| 02:58.26 | nsadmin | mine is above the enter key, shift-\ is | |
| 02:58.39 | Da_Wrecka | According to dpkg, I DO have wpa_supplicant |
| 02:58.46 | beardy | Very good. |
| 02:59.04 | topi` | I guess there's a gui nowadays for tweaking the wpa_supplicant |
| 02:59.05 | nsadmin | what do he do now? |
| 02:59.06 | Da_Wrecka | It says I have 0.6.4-3 of the wpasupplicant package |
| 02:59.16 | topi` | I once did it manually but don't know how I managed to get it working |
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| 02:59.53 | nsadmin | if he needs wpasupplicant, does that mean he also needs the windows driver? |
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| 03:00.09 | force | hi, someone is ddosing my servers, i have written scripts (in cron) to block their ip via iptables and add a null route, however apache is still unresponsive to requests, the backlog is 5000 |
| 03:00.27 | force | tcp syn cookies is enabled |
| 03:00.36 | force | i honestly dont know what else to do, ive googled and looked around |
| 03:00.42 | force | cant come up with any other solution |
| 03:00.53 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 03:00.58 | Da_Wrecka | ta |
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| 03:01.52 | Elshar | jdm64, Ah, thanks. :) |
| 03:01.57 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: I prefer the method listed under WPA-EAP there, and have the wpa config in a separate file. |
| 03:02.47 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: One for each wlan that I encounter, and switch between by commenting and uncommenting in /etc/network/interfaces, but do as you like it. |
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| 03:03.23 | abrotman | force: call your ISP |
| 03:03.55 | force | abrotman: its hosted at a colocation facility, they wont do anything ive already asked |
| 03:04.17 | force | they said it can only be controlled via my machine |
| 03:04.20 | HSorgYves | i have trouble using listen-on-v6 { ::1; }; because netstat -ap | grep named doesn't show any binding for ::1; anyone an idea where to look? |
| 03:04.22 | abrotman | force: if the data is getting to your system, the damage is already done |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | force: they're lying |
| 03:04.29 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. It says GNOME and KDE users should use the network manager to configure WPA. Too bad the GNOME Network Manager is screwing it up somehow. |
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| 03:04.39 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Don't. |
| 03:04.43 | force | so they would have to firewall it i assume |
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| 03:05.21 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: It means they "can", and so can anyone else, just that it uses the KDE and/or GNOME libs. Use wpa_supplicant and an editor instead. |
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| 03:08.45 | Da_Wrecka | Still not getting an IP on the WLAN |
| 03:09.23 | HSorgYves | i have a problem with bind and ipv6; all relevant - i think - config/logs are at http://pastebin.com/d41a0b885 |
| 03:09.47 | Da_Wrecka | It's definitely not the WLAN, because my Palm TX just connected to the access point without problem |
| 03:12.12 | Da_Wrecka | My WPA key has special characters in it, do I need to enclose it in quotes in /etc/network/interfaces or something? |
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| 03:15.13 | surial | How do I figure out the current runlevel? |
| 03:15.40 | surial | also, if I want to keep, say, mysql installed, but I don't want it to automatically launch on boot, do I just remove the various SXXmysql files in /etc/rcX.d, or is there a different procedure? |
| 03:15.52 | abrotman | surial: update-rc.d |
| 03:16.09 | surial | oh, thanks. |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | and 'runlevel' |
| 03:16.35 | jelly-home | surial: there's a command to get the current runlevel, it's called... ah, guess it! Also, abrotman is a spoilsport. |
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| 03:16.52 | surial | 'runlevel' - command not found. |
| 03:16.56 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | as root |
| 03:16.58 | surial | or, um.. |
| 03:17.01 | surial | is embarassed. |
| 03:17.11 | surial | it's in /sbin or one of the other paths that's only in root's PATH. |
| 03:17.17 | jelly-home | yeah |
| 03:17.25 | dboehmer | in debian testing my trackpoint (mouse on ibm thinkpad) is not recognized as trackpoint anymore |
| 03:17.34 | surial | thanks all, and, yeah. That was dumb of me. |
| 03:17.40 | dboehmer | instead trackpoint is now recognized as generic ps/2 mouse |
| 03:17.52 | jelly-home | dboehmer: does it matter? |
| 03:18.00 | dboehmer | because of that scrolling with trackpoint doesnt work |
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| 03:18.25 | jelly-home | ah, I didn't even know there was scrolling with trackpoint |
| 03:18.28 | dboehmer | until about 1week ago it worked out of the box with debian squeeze |
| 03:18.50 | dboehmer | jelly-home, press middle mouse button and moving trackpoint scrolls |
| 03:18.58 | HSorgYves | i have a problem with bind and ipv6; can't get listen-on-v6 { ::1; }; to work :-( all relevant - i think - config/logs are at http://pastebin.com/d41a0b885 ; many thx for your help if anyone is willing to get a look that would be great |
| 03:19.11 | jelly-home | dboehmer: I sure hope not, middle button is pasting the primary selection |
| 03:19.50 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Quotes are always good. |
| 03:20.19 | jelly-home | dboehmer: that scrolling thing worked in a few specific apps... firefox being one I think |
| 03:20.55 | dboehmer | jelly-home, this is app independent... the X server just has to be configured correctly |
| 03:21.03 | dboehmer | see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Configuration_using_xinput |
| 03:21.09 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Turns out I was missing a couple of stanzas; Apparently you need to include wpa-ap-scan 1 and wpa-scan-ssid 1 in order to connect to an AP that's not broadcasting its SSID. Not helping though. I'll try the quotes. |
| 03:21.39 | dboehmer | i have now unloaded and again loaded module "psmouse" and suddenly the trackpoint is recognized correctly |
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| 03:22.27 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Yep. |
| 03:22.35 | Da_Wrecka | Still not getting an IP |
| 03:22.44 | ice__man | hi all |
| 03:23.33 | ice__man | someone know how to play in Quake 4 under Debian ? |
| 03:23.51 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Did you copy the key or type it in? Triplechecked it? |
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| 03:24.04 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Copied it, double, triple and quadruple checked it |
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| 03:25.16 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: There's some interactive wpa_supplicant program, have a look at that, see where the problem is. I don't recall the name of it, but it's part of the wpasupplicant package. |
| 03:25.17 | Da_Wrecka | my key is damn-near impossible to remember, it's just a jumble of assorted alphanumeric character with a handful of special characters for flavour. |
| 03:25.35 | Amarande | I always have to log onto the router to check the key when I set up a new wireless device :P |
| 03:26.03 | Da_Wrecka | I keep my key in a text file on a 1GB microSD that I carry around with me |
| 03:26.36 | Da_Wrecka | To get the key you need to be able to either access the wireless AP or get hold of the card. |
| 03:26.50 | Da_Wrecka | Well, until they figure out how to crack the AES-CCMP mode at least |
| 03:27.01 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: You could also temporarily set up an open network to see if you can associate at all. |
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| 03:29.25 | Da_Wrecka | BSSID is the MAC address of the AP, right? |
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| 03:30.37 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. wpa_cli tells me "FAIL" when I use the reconfigure command |
| 03:32.32 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: "In an infrastructure BSS, the BSSID is the MAC address of the wireless access point (WAP). In an IBSS, the BSSID is a locally administered MAC address generated from a 46-bit random number." So yes. |
| 03:32.52 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka how's it going? |
| 03:33.50 | Da_Wrecka | not well |
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| 03:34.07 | nsadmin | any progress at all? |
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| 03:36.15 | Da_Wrecka | I've learned a fair bit about configuring wpa_supplicant, but I'm no closer to being able to use the WLAN |
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| 03:42.18 | WE_Linker | who can tell me how to continue compaire the kernel when i got a mistake |
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| 03:42.58 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:44.00 | jmarsden | WE_Linker: "compaire" is not an English word... configure, maybe?? |
| 03:44.03 | WE_Linker | sorry ,forgive me pool englist |
| 03:44.12 | Da_Wrecka | "compile" maybe? |
| 03:44.15 | xsdg | Howdy, all. Will netinst get me a minimally functional system, even if I don't have net during the install process? (I'm trying to install on a machine with new hardware and things are going shakily at best so far) |
| 03:44.26 | WE_Linker | is compiler |
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| 03:45.35 | xsdg | specifically, it's a Thinkpad T410. The eth driver is e1000e, and it detects the hardware but doesn't get link (even though the link lights are on). Similarly, the iwlagn driver sees the wifi device and appears to be able to chat with it, but also fails to associate with my WAP |
| 03:46.21 | WE_Linker | Da_Wrecka: i used make kpkg |
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| 03:46.44 | WE_Linker | Da_Wrecka: can you help me |
| 03:47.11 | WE_Linker | i only want to know the args for that |
| 03:47.44 | WE_Linker | cause the time for compiler kernel is too long |
| 03:48.08 | abrotman | WE_Linker: why? what's wrong with the Debian kernel ? |
| 03:48.21 | abrotman | xsdg: yes, you get a CLI system |
| 03:48.31 | WE_Linker | oh ,just a logng story |
| 03:48.33 | abrotman | xsdg: also, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 03:48.43 | WE_Linker | why ? the fuck keyboard |
| 03:48.45 | abrotman | xsdg: or use the squeeze netinst |
| 03:49.08 | xsdg | abrotman: does squeeze netinst have 2.6.32? my hardware doesn't work with 2.6.30 |
| 03:49.19 | abrotman | i think it has a .32 now .. not sure |
| 03:49.27 | Da_Wrecka | WE_Linker: I'm a Linux newbie, so... No, I can't help |
| 03:49.39 | abrotman | xsdg: my wifi/wired work with .30 on my new TP |
| 03:49.39 | WE_Linker | abrotman: oh my kernel is just fine |
| 03:49.40 | bolt | wtf? someone recently set apt to start sending me a "rootwarn" message every time i join this channel? apt can't tell the difference between root and r00t? the latter of which i've been using in here for years? stupid bot. i hate onjoin spam. |
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| 03:50.16 | WE_Linker | abrotman: but when i use apt-get |
| 03:50.30 | xsdg | abrotman: which do you have? I just got a T410, which was announced at CES earlier this month |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | xsdg: ah, not that new .. T500 |
| 03:50.54 | abrotman | 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) |
| 03:50.58 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
| 03:51.00 | WE_Linker | abrotman: it told me must use apt-get install -f to repair the package |
| 03:51.02 | abrotman | are my devices |
| 03:51.04 | Da_Wrecka | xsdg: Interestingly I'm having the same problem. Only my hardware is really damn old |
| 03:51.21 | xsdg | Da_Wrecka: hehe :o) |
| 03:51.43 | WE_Linker | so i use that and it told me has to upgrade the kernel by fix |
| 03:51.54 | WE_Linker | abrotman: can you help me |
| 03:51.58 | xsdg | abrotman: my wired is a 0x10ea (82577LM, iirc). wireless is WiFi Link 6000 |
| 03:52.00 | Da_Wrecka | The device shows up, the driver seems to be able to talk to it, but I can't seem to get a connection. |
| 03:52.09 | xsdg | Da_Wrecka: what kernel? |
| 03:52.24 | Da_Wrecka | Although on reflection, at this point I'm not sure whether I'm associating with the AP and just not getting an IP, or not associated with the AP at all |
| 03:52.29 | Da_Wrecka | xsdg: 2.6.32 |
| 03:52.29 | abrotman | WE_Linker: you're not even asking a questoin |
| 03:53.05 | xsdg | Da_Wrecka: eenteresting |
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| 03:53.27 | xsdg | I know something's working, because when I toggle the RF Kill switch, iwlagn notices and prints stuff in the syslog |
| 03:53.58 | bolt | ignores the apt bot. grr. |
| 03:54.02 | terafl0ps | What does iwconfig say? |
| 03:54.15 | xsdg | oh, duh, I had installed iwconfig |
| 03:54.18 | xsdg | plays around |
| 03:54.30 | abrotman | xsdg: the .32 entered squeeze over a week ago .. i'd imagine the daily netinst has the .32 now |
| 03:54.42 | redDEADresolve | how do you configure your touchpad in debian squeeze? |
| 03:54.47 | WE_Linker | abrotman: only one ,how to continue compiler the kernel when i got a mistake |
| 03:55.01 | abrotman | WE_Linker: why? what is wrong with the Debian kernel ? |
| 03:55.21 | Da_Wrecka | I understand that iwconfig won't help me |
| 03:55.29 | Da_Wrecka | My WLAN is set up to use WPA |
| 03:56.15 | terafl0ps | It will tell you whether or not you've associated. That's all. |
| 03:56.20 | WE_Linker | abrotman: campiler error |
| 03:56.25 | abrotman | WE_Linker: why? what is wrong with the Debian kernel ? |
| 03:56.31 | terafl0ps | You have to use wpa_supplicant to actually associate. |
| 03:56.53 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, I'm not associated with the AP at all then |
| 03:57.09 | Da_Wrecka | I've tried to configure wpa_supplicant the right way but I'm still not getting anywhere |
| 03:57.11 | xsdg | terafl0ps: `iwlist wlan0 scanning` tells me "Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down" |
| 03:58.08 | xsdg | terafl0ps: when I tell debian-installer to use wlan0, it just repeats "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" a couple times |
| 03:58.13 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i only want when compiler error i can use a args to continue |
| 03:58.24 | abrotman | WE_Linker: i'm asking you why you are compiling a kernel? |
| 03:58.29 | xsdg | I have no idea what that actually means for a wifi interface |
| 03:58.31 | redDEADresolve | anyone know why enabling shmconfig isn't working in debain squeeze? I read that the configuration was moving away from HAL. But didn't it just move to HAL. |
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| 03:59.08 | WE_Linker | abrotman: a soft named udev ask me to do that |
| 03:59.12 | nooper | xsdg: http://siso.sourceforge.net/wireless-linux.html says it is harmless |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | WE_Linker: no it did not |
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| 03:59.42 | Amarande | so squeeze is the name of testing now |
| 03:59.46 | Amarande | which Toy Story character was that? |
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| 04:00.03 | abrotman | WE_Linker: i think you sohuld re-read the output of `apt-get -f install` very carefully .. it tells you to create a file to upgrade your kernel |
| 04:00.08 | Amarande | or was that from TS2? |
| 04:00.10 | xsdg | nooper: will look |
| 04:00.16 | abrotman | Amarande: three eyed alien |
| 04:00.31 | jmarsden | Amarande: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Squeeze_Toy_Aliens |
| 04:00.44 | WE_Linker | abrotman: yes ,it is that ,bat how can i do\ |
| 04:00.48 | redDEADresolve | Amarande, it was the alien toy. the squeek toy |
| 04:01.00 | xsdg | nooper: ok, thanks |
| 04:01.05 | abrotman | WE_Linker: it tells you exactly how to fix it .. and it doesn't tell you to compile a kernel |
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| 04:01.32 | Amarande | needs to see toy story again apparently |
| 04:01.34 | abrotman | WE_Linker: what is your current 'uname -a' ? |
| 04:01.42 | WE_Linker | abrotman:but how can i create the fire |
| 04:01.46 | abrotman | WE_Linker: what is your current 'uname -a' ? |
| 04:01.47 | Amarande | unfortunately, toy story is neither free nor open source, so ... it would be undebianish to watch it, wouldn't it? LOL |
| 04:01.52 | xsdg | thank goodness. I have no idea what changed, but ethernet decided to start working |
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| 04:02.49 | WE_Linker | abrotman: smp wed nov 4 20:45:37 utc 209 gnu/linux |
| 04:02.58 | abrotman | WE_Linker: that is NOT what it says |
| 04:03.11 | xsdg | abrotman: any thoughts on partitioning for a laptop? whole disk, or discrete partitions? |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | xsdg: LVM? :) |
| 04:03.31 | WE_Linker | abrotman: oh ithought your meanning is uname -r |
| 04:03.36 | Amarande | you called your computer smp? |
| 04:03.38 | Amarande | :( |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | WE_Linker: that's still not what uname -r says |
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| 04:04.41 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i use the command uname -a\ |
| 04:04.53 | WE_Linker | abrotman: just smp return |
| 04:05.02 | abrotman | WE_Linker: that is not what it says .. |
| 04:05.47 | WE_Linker | you want to know the version of kernel?\ |
| 04:05.50 | xsdg | abrotman: actually, big question: any idea if grub knows how to read ext4 yet? |
| 04:05.59 | abrotman | xsdg: i think grub2 can .. |
| 04:06.07 | abrotman | WE_Linker: uname -a .. that's what i want .. it's not that hard |
| 04:06.31 | xsdg | cool |
| 04:06.55 | fubard | eh |
| 04:07.12 | fubard | oops wrong window |
| 04:07.13 | WE_Linker | abrotman: linux lanServer 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 04:07.20 | WE_Linker | abrotman: is that\ |
| 04:07.26 | abrotman | WE_Linker: that's still NOT what it ways |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | WE_Linker: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 04:07.36 | redDEADresolve | how do you configure your touchpad in debian squeeze? |
| 04:07.48 | abrotman | to do what? |
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| 04:08.40 | redDEADresolve | abrotman, to do horizontal scroll, 3 finger tapping etc |
| 04:08.54 | WE_Linker | abrotman: god ,is running |
| 04:09.08 | redDEADresolve | abrotman, it used to be controlled with shmconfig but shmconfig isnot working |
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| 04:09.42 | abrotman | redDEADresolve: gsynaptics ? |
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| 04:11.50 | WE_Linker | abrotman:it complete |
| 04:12.06 | abrotman | WE_Linker: okay, now is udev still complaining ? |
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| 04:12.27 | redDEADresolve | abrotman, it not working either. something had to have changed in the updates over the last month |
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| 04:12.45 | Amarande | so how's lenny in terms of currentness, and squeeze in terms of stability right now? |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | redDEADresolve: X -configure and man synaptics ? |
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| 04:13.00 | Amarande | like, is installing debian a good idea these days, or is it kinda in one of those debian ruts where stable is too old and testing is too rickety? |
| 04:13.02 | abrotman | Amarande: if you rqeuire stabililty/security, squeeze isn't for you |
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| 04:13.29 | stack | Amarande: use debian and let god bless you :) |
| 04:13.30 | Amarande | (also, is lenny on good terms with fglrx right now, or is it still broken like when I tested it a while ago?) |
| 04:13.54 | stack | fglrx sucks anyway |
| 04:14.10 | Amarande | yeah but with a 3870, I presume I'd need it for decent performance |
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| 04:14.22 | Amarande | as I'm supposing the ATI X drivers available in lenny are the ones from like ... 2008 |
| 04:14.33 | WE_Linker | abrotman: okey,it's too amazing |
| 04:14.35 | stack | Amarande: why not try yourself? |
| 04:14.40 | Amarande | which was a really, really really really REALLY REALLY bad year for ATI on Linux as I remember. :P |
| 04:15.01 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i just want kiss you !haha |
| 04:15.05 | JyZyXEL | fglrx and good in the same sentence? |
| 04:15.07 | abrotman | please don't |
| 04:15.23 | Amarande | WE_Linker: yeah, abrotman's kiss induces level drain |
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| 04:15.37 | Amarande | didn't you read the spoiler file for the Debian edition of nethack? :D |
| 04:16.13 | redDEADresolve | abrotman, my xorg is dynamically created for me. couldnt find a good howto on making a xorg |
| 04:16.25 | abrotman | redDEADresolve: X -configure |
| 04:16.25 | Da_Wrecka | holy shit, I'm associated with the AP now |
| 04:16.33 | Amarande | AP? |
| 04:16.41 | abrotman | Wireless Access Point |
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| 04:17.08 | Da_Wrecka | too bad I'm still not getting an IP |
| 04:17.29 | stack | that's why people die nowdays |
| 04:17.29 | longcat | crap |
| 04:17.31 | longcat | lol |
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| 04:17.40 | WE_Linker | Amarande: oh,my poor english can't understand your meanning |
| 04:18.28 | Amarande | Da_Wrecka: I thought it was some sort of project for a moment :S |
| 04:18.41 | Amarande | WE_Linker: it was a joke |
| 04:19.00 | WE_Linker | oh |
| 04:19.02 | Amarande | if you are going to use debian, you should understand open source software jokes :| |
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| 04:19.28 | WE_Linker | Amarande: i will try |
| 04:20.55 | terafl0ps | Da_Wrecka: Can you do a dhclient -r <wireless_interface> and then run dhclient <wireless_interface> ? |
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| 04:21.12 | terafl0ps | where wireless_interface is whatever your device is named |
| 04:21.38 | WE_Linker | abrotman:1'am sorry but when i install gdm it coming out |
| 04:21.53 | abrotman | eh .. that's a good thing ? |
| 04:23.58 | WE_Linker | abrotman: it says sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code(1) |
| 04:24.06 | Da_Wrecka | oop, I'm not associated any more. Sigh. |
| 04:24.18 | redDEADresolve | abrotman, do you mean xorg -configure |
| 04:24.26 | abrotman | redDEADresolve: no, i said what i meant |
| 04:24.29 | Da_Wrecka | iwconfig was showing a MAC address for "Access Point:" for a bit, but now it's "Not-Associated" |
| 04:24.30 | abrotman | WE_Linker: put it in a pastebin |
| 04:24.53 | Amarande | sure it's not wireless interference? |
| 04:24.54 | terafl0ps | Da_Wrecka, Are you far from the AP ? |
| 04:25.26 | Da_Wrecka | terafl0ps: The distance from laptop to the AP is less than one metre |
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| 04:25.49 | abrotman | Da_Wrecka: get closer! |
| 04:25.54 | terafl0ps | lol |
| 04:26.12 | adb | tooo close |
| 04:26.35 | Amarande | CAN you be too close to the AP? |
| 04:26.42 | Amarande | although that kinda does sound like it makes sense that you can |
| 04:26.51 | Amarande | after all, if you're that close that the radio waves can't even complete a wave ... |
| 04:29.04 | Da_Wrecka | just to rule it out, I've moved the craptop to the other side of the room |
| 04:29.19 | Da_Wrecka | no difference at all |
| 04:29.49 | Da_Wrecka | besides, I'm pretty sure 2.4GHz means a very short wavelength |
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| 04:30.13 | terafl0ps | Hmm. I have problems like this with my Broadcom card in Lenny... |
| 04:30.30 | terafl0ps | I wind up killing wpa_supplicant and reconnecting a couple times. |
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| 04:34.22 | nsadmin | yes it's short |
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| 04:44.15 | nsadmin | but the wavelength has more to do with resonant freq than it does with effective distance |
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| 04:45.24 | nsadmin | it does affect propigation, shorter wavelengths tend not to bounce against ionusphere and be absorbed by walls and such |
| 04:45.48 | rumpsy | i'm having onboard intel graphics, and pci nvidia, in my debian, i want to load, nv driver.. i see that, intel_agp was loaded |
| 04:45.52 | nsadmin | but those don't seem to be your issue; maybe the power level is too low |
| 04:46.09 | rumpsy | nsadmin: ^^ |
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| 04:46.56 | nsadmin | is the onboard connected to anything? |
| 04:47.06 | muddd | is it safe to delete everything in /var/cache/apt to save some space? |
| 04:47.08 | rumpsy | no |
| 04:47.21 | Da_Wrecka | nsadmin: Given the distance involved, I'm pretty sure that the signal would be strong even on minimal transmit power |
| 04:47.24 | nsadmin | maybe disable it in the bios |
| 04:47.38 | Da_Wrecka | Wait, on reflection I'm not sure what the transmit power is set to for the WLAN NIC |
| 04:47.40 | rumpsy | yes, i disabled in bios, |
| 04:47.46 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka I'm tending to agree |
| 04:48.05 | rumpsy | i want to load nv modules, instead of intel_agp |
| 04:48.18 | nsadmin | find out what's loading the modules |
| 04:48.31 | jmarsden | muddd: apt-get clean is safe, and may reduce the cache size somewhat. man apt-get |
| 04:48.36 | rumpsy | i can see that, intel_agp was loaded, by i use lsmod |
| 04:48.56 | terafl0ps | Da_Wrecka, are you running wpa_supplicant from the command line or using something else? |
| 04:49.15 | Da_Wrecka | wpa_supplicant is being loaded when I do ifup wlan0 |
| 04:49.22 | Da_Wrecka | I'm not loading it directly |
| 04:49.44 | rumpsy | nsadmin: how to stop that, intel_agp module loading? , and i want to load nv module |
| 04:50.03 | terafl0ps | Is your interface script specifying a configuration file for wpa_supplicant to use? |
| 04:50.10 | Da_Wrecka | Good question |
| 04:50.43 | Da_Wrecka | It doesn't appear to be specifying a config file |
| 04:50.53 | Da_Wrecka | judging by the output from ps ax |grep wpa |
| 04:51.22 | rumpsy | when i say, modprobe nv, error module not found :( |
| 04:51.33 | terafl0ps | So no wpa_supplicant is running? |
| 04:51.41 | Da_Wrecka | It's running, but no config file |
| 04:52.18 | Da_Wrecka | at least, there's not one specified on the command line |
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| 04:53.08 | h00k | I just managed to downgrade my girlfriends PowerBook G4 from squeeze to lenny, there was a broken udev package in squeeze |
| 04:53.50 | terafl0ps | Da_Wrecka, that seems odd. Something has to be configuring it... |
| 04:53.52 | Da_Wrecka | ps ax is telling me the command line is /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /var/run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D wext -q -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log -C /var/run/wpa_supplicant |
| 04:54.21 | terafl0ps | ah ok |
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| 04:54.50 | Da_Wrecka | logfile says "Failed to disable WPA in the driver" followed by about 8 lines of "Failed to initiate AP scan" |
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| 04:55.32 | terafl0ps | I still don't see a configuration file in there that would have your wpa passphrase... |
| 04:55.48 | terafl0ps | What kind of encryption are you running? |
| 04:55.53 | Da_Wrecka | My WPA passphrase is defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:56.06 | Da_Wrecka | Encryption is set to WPA, AES-CCMP |
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| 04:57.36 | rumpsy | Any solution |
| 04:59.01 | terafl0ps | Da_Wrecka, have you tried creating a separate configuration file with wpa_passphrase? |
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| 05:00.23 | terafl0ps | I had to set mine up manually... |
| 05:00.27 | rumpsy | where should i add, the entries of modules |
| 05:00.38 | terafl0ps | I did 'wpa_passphrase <ssid> [passphrase] > ~/wpa.conf' |
| 05:00.41 | rumpsy | i mean modules.conf |
| 05:00.53 | rumpsy | where that is in Lenny? |
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| 05:01.17 | rumpsy | i found module for my nvidia card, i want to add it to auto load |
| 05:01.29 | rumpsy | Where i have to add |
| 05:01.47 | terafl0ps | Then when you run wpa_supplicant you specify -c ~/wpa.conf as an argument. |
| 05:02.52 | Da_Wrecka | I don't know where the ~ is because my root terminal is retarded and uses the US layout instead of the UK layout like the system is set to use |
| 05:03.52 | terafl0ps | ~/ is just short for your home directory |
| 05:03.52 | apt | ...but / is already something else... |
| 05:04.00 | Da_Wrecka | okay... Now I have absolutely no idea how to find out where wpa_supplicant is actually invoked |
| 05:04.01 | terafl0ps | The shell expands it. |
| 05:04.27 | nsadmin | ~foo |
| 05:04.28 | apt | it has been said that foo is bar |
| 05:05.24 | terafl0ps | I was thinking you could just run it yourself once you have the configuration file built. |
| 05:05.26 | liable | meh, why is /dev/dsp busy, yet lspf and fuser both dont return anything? |
| 05:05.31 | liable | lsof* |
| 05:05.57 | Da_Wrecka | Which means I'll need to load it manually every time I boot |
| 05:06.09 | Da_Wrecka | works for a test though, I guess |
| 05:06.32 | terafl0ps | Da_wrecka, yeah if it works you can edit your interfaces script to use the new config automatically. |
| 05:07.33 | rumpsy | what is the command to unload a module |
| 05:07.48 | terafl0ps | rumpsy, modprobe -r |
| 05:08.01 | terafl0ps | Da_wrecka, http://www.pastebin.org/84464 |
| 05:08.15 | rumpsy | okay, where i have to add entry, so that modules can load at boot |
| 05:09.05 | terafl0ps | rumpsy, not sure I usually just use the module assistant |
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| 05:09.39 | terafl0ps | man m-a |
| 05:11.07 | Da_Wrecka | It's not working :/ |
| 05:11.29 | Da_Wrecka | iwconfig is still telling me there's no AP associated |
| 05:12.24 | terafl0ps | Did you kill the old wpa_supplicant ? |
| 05:12.32 | Da_Wrecka | yes |
| 05:12.34 | terafl0ps | ok |
| 05:12.39 | terafl0ps | wpa_supplicant -Dwext -c wpa.conf -iwlan0 |
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| 05:14.21 | terafl0ps | Geez, since when does pastebin have so many popups? |
| 05:14.27 | Da_Wrecka | still nothing |
| 05:14.39 | terafl0ps | Any messages at the console ? |
| 05:15.01 | Da_Wrecka | CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS |
| 05:15.07 | Da_Wrecka | Repeat ad nauseam |
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| 05:16.38 | terafl0ps | Do you have ssid broadcast turned on? |
| 05:16.46 | Da_Wrecka | Nope |
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| 05:17.14 | xsdg | terafl0ps: codepad.org++ |
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| 05:18.30 | terafl0ps | Da_Wrecka, can you try adding "ap_scan=2" to the top of your configuration file ? |
| 05:18.46 | Da_Wrecka | Outside the network= block, or inside? |
| 05:18.55 | terafl0ps | outside |
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| 05:19.30 | Da_Wrecka | oh there we go, some results |
| 05:19.43 | terafl0ps | Nice. |
| 05:19.49 | terafl0ps | What does it say? |
| 05:19.53 | Da_Wrecka | "Trying to associate with SSID '<ssid>'" |
| 05:20.29 | Da_Wrecka | CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS |
| 05:20.35 | Da_Wrecka | owait |
| 05:21.23 | Da_Wrecka | There was "Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out" and "Trying to associate with SSID '<ssid>'" before that |
| 05:21.29 | Da_Wrecka | keeps timing out |
| 05:24.30 | terafl0ps | Hmm. You said that was WPA AES with a preshared key right? |
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| 05:25.23 | nrs | how do i enable mod rewrite in apache2? i've done a2enmod rewrite and it said enabled, restarted apache, still nothing. |
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| 05:27.56 | qop | I am abit confussed with dmask and fmask... which number is equivalent to 777? 122? |
| 05:28.48 | qop | man mount does not have enough info |
| 05:29.09 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Have you tried enabling the sending of your SSID on your AP? |
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| 05:31.17 | terafl0ps | Yeah, he may have to. There's also ap_scan=1 |
| 05:31.29 | terafl0ps | I wish the scan values were better documented. |
| 05:33.22 | Da_Wrecka | Nope, still timed out with SSID broadcast enabled |
| 05:33.36 | nrs | nevermind looks like i've found my answer |
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| 05:34.32 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: What timed out exactly, if it's possible to determine? Was the ap waiting for the key, or was your machine waiting for something back? |
| 05:34.42 | Da_Wrecka | Doesn't say |
| 05:34.55 | Da_Wrecka | All it says is "Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out" |
| 05:35.11 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Did you try an open network? |
| 05:35.37 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: That's a bit weird, what is that address? |
| 05:35.50 | qop | I hate little stuff like fuse |
| 05:35.58 | terafl0ps | You may also want to try commenting out the ap_scan altogether if you have SSID broadcast enabled. |
| 05:35.59 | Da_Wrecka | a broadcast MAC address, I'd gues |
| 05:36.27 | qop | they are intended to make things easier... yes, in a perfect world, but they tend to overcomplicate things beyond need |
| 05:37.28 | terafl0ps | No, ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff is broadcast. |
| 05:37.35 | Da_Wrecka | All I'm getting with ap_scan removed is CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS |
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| 05:38.12 | terafl0ps | Does iwconfig show you are associated? |
| 05:38.32 | Da_Wrecka | "Access Point: Not-Associated" |
| 05:38.47 | Da_Wrecka | this is after I put "ap_scan=0" back in the config |
| 05:38.54 | tarkaram | Is there a package that I can install to access all the available wireless networks ? Currently, I have the wireless network configured in the /etc/network/interfaces file. This works as long as I use the laptop in my house, when I step out I have to go through the same speil again. I was wondering if there is a package that is available that shows all the wireless networks in the range and will let me connect to the one i select |
| 05:38.56 | pflanze | qop: the purpose of fuse is not to make things easier for the user; for mount, the masks are in octal I think. |
| 05:39.22 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Double or single quotes around the key? "key" or 'key'? |
| 05:39.25 | qop | pflanze: ah... thank you for the octal info |
| 05:39.37 | Da_Wrecka | Beardy: Double, reckon single might change things? |
| 05:39.47 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: It might, try. |
| 05:39.51 | qop | pflanze: sigh... it's purpose is to make mecry then? |
| 05:39.59 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Single are "harder" quotes almost everywhere. |
| 05:40.25 | Da_Wrecka | oh, right now there's no quotes at all around the key |
| 05:40.25 | pflanze | qop: the purpose is to make ntfs and other complex drivers possible |
| 05:40.41 | terafl0ps | I don't have the quotes in my configuration. |
| 05:40.57 | terafl0ps | You don't need them. |
| 05:41.15 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Ok. |
| 05:41.34 | Da_Wrecka | It barfs when I put single quotes around the SSID |
| 05:41.43 | beardy | Alright. |
| 05:42.16 | terafl0ps | ap_scan doesn't need quotes, but ssid does I believe. |
| 05:42.32 | pflanze | qop: or to port filesystem implementations whose license doesn't allow linking into the linux kernel |
| 05:43.04 | terafl0ps | tarkaram, try wicd |
| 05:43.39 | qop | ok well, what I need is to do is to allow anybody to mount a Windows partition but can't get rid of the Permission denied, even have set setchmod 4755 and still no luck |
| 05:43.40 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: The SSID? |
| 05:43.44 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: I said key. |
| 05:43.51 | Da_Wrecka | No quotes around the key at all |
| 05:44.04 | qop | pflanze: I understand, just missing the hability to use "users" in fstab |
| 05:44.21 | qop | -h |
| 05:44.58 | tarkaram | terafl0ps: just tried to install it. apt cudnt find it. Do you know which repository might have that package ? |
| 05:45.50 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: 'man 5 wpa_supplicant.conf' Read that, see that the key is "quoted". Though, if you have " as part of your key, you need to use 'quotes'. |
| 05:46.19 | jmarsden | tarkaram: wicd is in lenny-backports, squeeze and sid. See http://packages.debian.org/wicd |
| 05:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, ntfs? |
| 05:46.35 | qop | yes |
| 05:46.43 | arafangion | beardy: That, there, is a prime example of how written english is different to spoken. :) |
| 05:46.56 | tarkaram | jmarsden: Thanks ! Will give that a shot. |
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| 05:47.01 | beardy | arafangion: ? |
| 05:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell qop -about ntfs-3g |
| 05:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | using that fuse driver? |
| 05:47.46 | arafangion | beardy: In spoken english, you'd have to use more cumbersome terms, as well as perhaps using gestures to indicate the type of quoting. |
| 05:47.57 | qop | !test |
| 05:48.02 | qop | think the bot is dead |
| 05:48.06 | qop | ah nvm just slow |
| 05:48.09 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Barfs when I put "s around the key |
| 05:48.29 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Barfs how? Exact error? |
| 05:48.31 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, now |
| 05:48.37 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 05:48.51 | beardy | arafangion: Ah, yes. |
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| 05:49.24 | Da_Wrecka | "Line 5: Invalid passphrase length 64 (expected: 8..63)" |
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| 05:50.40 | arafangion | Many unix programs handle quotation marks badly. :( |
| 05:50.55 | terafl0ps | There are two psk lines. One is commented out (with a # at the beginning) and its your password without being hashed. That line doesn't matter. |
| 05:51.28 | terafl0ps | The one below that should be psk=some_long_string_of_characters |
| 05:51.31 | terafl0ps | without any quotes |
| 05:51.33 | arafangion | noticed that when he named a partition "O'niell", freebsd failed to even manage the partition table, and thus failed to install. |
| 05:51.59 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: I have try that but all I get is the permisions for the partition once mounted, ie, it does not help me when the partition is noauto |
| 05:52.11 | beardy | arafangion: That's more you, that doesn't realize not to use quotes in names, if I may say so. |
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| 05:52.38 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: unless I am overlooking something... I just can't get any user to successfully mount the partition |
| 05:52.46 | arafangion | beardy: Arguably. Very arguable. |
| 05:53.12 | beardy | arafangion: There has to be a way to quote things, some chars that are used for quoting. If you think they should be able to be used in names.. they aren't unique and not able to be used for quoting, so.. |
| 05:53.28 | arafangion | beardy: Well, there's always the backslash. |
| 05:53.31 | beardy | Just a fact of life.. |
| 05:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, add 'user' to the options in fstab? |
| 05:54.00 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: that option does not work with ntfs-3g |
| 05:54.10 | beardy | arafangion: Or skipping the character used by most things for quoting. Replace with _ or remove totally. :) |
| 05:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, apt-cache show pmount |
| 05:54.26 | arafangion | beardy: However, fbsd's installer couldn't handle the existance of that partition - I'd understand if it couldn't mount it or something, but it just couldn't even parse the partition table. |
| 05:54.27 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: according to the ntfs-3g help, you need to seuid the binary |
| 05:54.46 | arafangion | beardy: It couldn't even wipe the parition table. |
| 05:54.51 | beardy | arafangion: The partitioner shouldn't have allowed you to name it that. That's the main problem. |
| 05:55.00 | Da_Wrecka | Screw it, it's 6am, I've been working on this for way too long... I |
| 05:55.02 | Da_Wrecka | 'm going to bed |
| 05:55.04 | Da_Wrecka | Also bad Enter key |
| 05:55.24 | arafangion | beardy: Any of debian's partitioning tools, and mounting tools, handle such characters fine. |
| 05:55.29 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Ok. Well, try with a temporary short simple passphrase tomorrow. |
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| 05:55.47 | beardy | arafangion: They do? Well, that's good then. I still don't think one should use them. |
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| 05:55.54 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: will try with pmount |
| 05:56.00 | Amarande | hmm, if I try to burn the netinst iso to a DVD, is it going to work or epicfail? |
| 05:56.15 | beardy | Amarande: Work just fine, but you'd waste a lot of space. |
| 05:56.30 | Amarande | ah, good. I've got DVD+R up the wazoo, and not a single CD-R in the house :S |
| 05:56.43 | arafangion | beardy: This particular case was a test - it is sufficiently cumbersome that I wouldn't recommend (Who, really, wants to backslash the chacters all the time?), although it wasn't so bad in the GUI. I am interested in localisation and internationalisation, so I was curious to see how it coped. |
| 05:56.57 | xsdg | Amarande: just use USB |
| 05:57.07 | terafl0ps | or a RW disc |
| 05:57.12 | arafangion | beardy: That said, I wanted to give the drive a name, and the name contained a quote, so why shouldn't it contain it? |
| 05:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, where does it say that? |
| 05:57.33 | Amarande | arafangion, there's also a reason they call those l10n and i18n. :) |
| 05:57.41 | xsdg | Amarande: if you're in a pinch and have a phone that exports a USB mass-storage device... ;o) |
| 05:57.52 | beardy | arafangion: Because the reesons I stated. |
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| 05:58.04 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged |
| 05:58.04 | arafangion | Amarande: Did I mistype it? ;) |
| 05:58.20 | arafangion | beardy: You haven't actually stated any reasons. |
| 05:58.28 | Amarande | arafangion: because nobody likes to have to keep typing out words that (at least i18n is) are bigger than a scrabble board? :) |
| 05:58.37 | beardy | "arafangion: There has to be a way to quote things, some chars that are used for quoting. If you think they should be able to be used in names.. they aren't unique and not able to be used for quoting, so.." |
| 05:58.37 | Amarande | unless of course they're your password, then it's ok heh |
| 05:58.37 | terafl0ps | This is Linux " a and ' are sacred. ;-) |
| 05:58.57 | xsdg | terafl0ps: you might be amused by the progress of my installation. I'm in a chroot, about to compile a kernel because some weird mismatch somewhere is preventing the initramfs from being created successfully (and I hate initrd/initramfs anyway) |
| 05:58.58 | beardy | This is *nix, but otherwise yes. What he said. |
| 05:59.12 | xsdg | terafl0ps: but other than the kernel, the machine is functional :o) |
| 05:59.13 | Amarande | also: this is a tad odd: it says 5.0.4 is current, but looking at the filename on the netinst, the netinst is for 5.0.3? |
| 05:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, you can access ntfs-3g.org? goes to tuxera.com for me for some reason |
| 05:59.34 | Amarande | are the netinsts out of date or was there no need for a new one? |
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| 06:00.15 | terafl0ps | xsdg, Nice. |
| 06:00.18 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 06:00.20 | arafangion | beardy: Almost every use of using '"' and "'" for quoting has a means of allowing said characters in the quoted string. |
| 06:00.28 | dirkson1 | Hey all- What's the debian way to switch to dvorak? The top google result suggests xorg.conf changes which don't appear to have an effect. |
| 06:00.33 | xsdg | Amarande: squeeze netinst? it would make sense if it were out-of-date, because the latest I found still had 2.6.30 |
| 06:00.39 | xsdg | Amarande: even though 2.6.32 is in squeeze |
| 06:00.40 | arafangion | beardy: If the syntax in question does not allow it, then it has a design flaw. |
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| 06:01.15 | zhane | what is a gd cms for low end vps? |
| 06:01.16 | beardy | arafangion: Do as you please. Make your life harder, but realize that people generally do it the way I said to avoid problems or offtopic discussions about the problem. |
| 06:01.31 | Amarande | xsdg: lenny netinst |
| 06:01.37 | Amarande | I'm told squeeze really isn't ready for serious use yet :) |
| 06:01.42 | xsdg | aah, dunno about lenny |
| 06:02.25 | Amarande | beardy: are you and ara talking about file name characters? |
| 06:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, duh, nice.. you can always write a short and simpe suid-root perl script that mounts exactly that drive if they don't trust their own binary |
| 06:02.53 | Amarande | on a more serious note, sacred characters that can't be used could lead to security issues |
| 06:02.54 | beardy | Amarande: No, about FreeBSD partition names. |
| 06:02.58 | Amarande | ah. |
| 06:03.34 | beardy | (I wouldn't use " or ' in filenames either though.) |
| 06:03.37 | Amarande | I was going to say, if it's something that could be easily written, I'm thinking the scenario where root is compromised and the hacker injects 'sacred' characters into a name in order to keep their rootkit or whatever on your machine |
| 06:03.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, also, if the binary is suid root, why does the user still need read/write access to the raw deice and the mountpoint... |
| 06:03.41 | dirkson1 | Hey all- What's the debian way to switch to dvorak? The top google result suggests xorg.conf changes which don't appear to have an effect. |
| 06:03.46 | Amarande | because you won't be able to properly quote them in order to delete the offending data |
| 06:03.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks a bit like sloppy thinking from their side to me |
| 06:04.31 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: I am the only user in this pc, setuid is fine idc |
| 06:04.41 | beardy | !dvorak |
| 06:04.51 | Amarande | anyway, anyone know if the links on debian.org for the lenny netinst are out of date, or is 5.0.3 still the latest netinst? |
| 06:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's it with dpkg today? |
| 06:04.53 | xsdg | dirkson1: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup maybe? |
| 06:05.05 | xsdg | dirkson1: (this is just a guess) |
| 06:05.09 | beardy | Don't know.. walking in molasses. |
| 06:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | xorg.conf it is if he's using X |
| 06:05.23 | dpkg | i guess dvorak is for typing better than <qwerty> :P, or the coolest layout ever, or at http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/, or <grub dvorak> |
| 06:05.26 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: and why do you think I want the saw dev rw? |
| 06:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course he didn't tell us :) |
| 06:05.36 | beardy | Helpful.. |
| 06:05.37 | arafangion | beardy: Naturally, I would tend to make my life _easier_, by avoiding such complicated symbols, however, consider someone who isn't particularly aware of these issues, nor does he care. Consider someone who is french and doesn't administrate a computer - suppose he wants to name a drive after his daughter, for who knows why - and her daughter has some fancy symbols in it, including, yes, a quotation mark. Why shouldn't he be able to |
| 06:05.41 | dirkson1 | xsdg: Doesn't have any keyboard options |
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| 06:05.43 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't, all I need is mount it |
| 06:06.07 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: then I can use masks |
| 06:06.18 | xsdg | dirkson1: oh, hey, keyboard-configuration |
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| 06:06.22 | beardy | arafangion: Then the program, partitioner (how he will survive partitioning I don't know) should stop him from using said characters. End. |
| 06:06.26 | arafangion | qop: If you only need read-only support, then I believe that the built-in ntfs support in the kernel should be sufficient. |
| 06:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, I'd think the client drops root priveleges and after that still needs to read/write the device... sounds stupid to me |
| 06:06.41 | Amarande | or does everyone here use squeeze instead of lenny heh |
| 06:06.45 | arafangion | beardy: There is no technical reason why such characters should be banned. |
| 06:06.46 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: and worse, exec is not being parsed either |
| 06:07.00 | beardy | arafangion: I disagreed. |
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| 06:07.19 | arafangion | beardy: Suppose the user is japanese, then. |
| 06:07.25 | xsdg | Amarande: personally, I just throw sid on everything. I'm crazy and used to fixing broken things, though, so you may not want to follow in my footsteps |
| 06:07.29 | dirkson1 | xsdg: Awesome. Why is this so utterly undocumented? :D |
| 06:07.47 | Amarande | xsdg: I was getting ready to run lenny. That should say something about my interest in sid. :) |
| 06:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's got a daughter with a question mark in her name?! |
| 06:07.56 | qop | arafangion: that is not the problem, the problem is that I can't get all users to mount the ntfs partition |
| 06:08.02 | arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: So it would seem to us, yes. |
| 06:08.05 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: your opinion |
| 06:08.06 | beardy | arafangion: Learn English like everyone else if you want to use operating systems developed in English. |
| 06:08.26 | Amarande | beardy: that *really* helps an OS's international market share, doesn't it. :P |
| 06:08.27 | xsdg | dirkson1: no clue |
| 06:08.37 | Amarande | remember, at least a quarter of the world's population uses chinese. |
| 06:08.53 | xsdg | dirkson1: I just remembered seeing the config screen when I installed it on a machine a couple months ago; otherwise, I wouldn't have had a clue |
| 06:09.00 | Amarande | we're never going to banish the demon called windows from the world if we don't respect other languages :S |
| 06:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then, who's interested in OS market shares? I'm not selling any OS... |
| 06:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you? |
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| 06:09.21 | Amarande | Cut: because the greater market share Linux and friends get, the more likely we are to actually see apps developed for it instead of for That Other OS? |
| 06:09.23 | dirkson1 | xsdg: *gives you an official AwesomeCookie ^^ * |
| 06:09.27 | qop | Amarande: that reminds me I have a chinese book I have to read |
| 06:09.32 | Amarande | you know, the non-free one most people run |
| 06:09.37 | arafangion | beardy: There might not even be a consistent way to spell a chinese or japanese word using latin letters. |
| 06:09.42 | xsdg | dirkson1: danke :o) |
| 06:09.43 | Amarande | the one whose logo looks suspiciously like a Wild Draw Four |
| 06:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, got enough viruses on my machine, kthux |
| 06:10.24 | beardy | arafangion: If you want to fix it and make it possible everywhere, fine, but right now, it is much easier to do things in a way that makes things work, than put weird characters everywhere by principle and then complain when it doesn't work. |
| 06:10.30 | Amarande | anyway, *is* there a 5.0.4 lenny netinst iso? |
| 06:10.34 | arafangion | beardy: It actually WORKS on linux. |
| 06:10.51 | beardy | arafangion: Then we can end this discussion? |
| 06:10.57 | arafangion | beardy: Certainly. |
| 06:11.20 | Amarande | beardy: the problem is that for large percentages of the world's population, *our* letters are "weird characters" :) |
| 06:11.22 | qop | Not defending Windows at all, but I've noticed that most viruses slip in because of user bad practices |
| 06:11.32 | qop | but it is always easier to blame the pc |
| 06:11.35 | beardy | Amarande: I'm swedish, I have weird letters too. |
| 06:11.36 | arafangion | qop: And bad programmer practices. |
| 06:12.08 | qop | arafangion: said, I was not defending them, yes their fault too.... |
| 06:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at #debian-offtopic |
| 06:12.37 | qop | but a user who downloads a program linked from a "you won!!!" site... come on... |
| 06:12.55 | arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Please don't make us continue the discussion there, not when this is almost but not-quite finished, where people are just barely realising that they simply have to disagree... |
| 06:13.10 | arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Unless you're talking about qop's discussion? |
| 06:13.14 | beardy | You're welcome there anyhow. |
| 06:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm totally fascinated by the girl whose name contains a question mark, but here really isn't the place for it |
| 06:14.58 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 06:15.45 | terafl0ps | In general, any application where some special character can't be tolerated, or has a special meaning should be filtering all of its arguments to keep those characters out. But if there's no overarching technical reason why a character shouldn't be used, then the inputs should be escaped. There are usually functions/libraries to handle this. |
| 06:17.09 | arafangion | terafl0ps: Such names become _very_ interesting, especially in databases, particularly MS SQL when it affects collation order, and especially when you have characters outside the BMP. |
| 06:17.34 | Amarande | beardy: in Europe though you can pretty much just, say, omit the accent on a letter and it looks good enough for government work |
| 06:17.44 | Amarande | I'm wondering about usability issues in parts of the world where there's an entirely different alphabet |
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| 06:19.23 | Amarande | BTW: am I going to see a performance advantage from having chosen to use 64-bit Debian this time? |
| 06:20.04 | xsdg | Amarande: how much memory do you have? |
| 06:20.42 | Amarande | 2GB |
| 06:20.52 | xsdg | Amarande: probably no difference |
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| 06:21.31 | xsdg | Amarande: if you ever plan to have 4GB or more, though, then 64-bit is the only option |
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| 06:21.57 | arafangion | xsdg: Really? |
| 06:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 06:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's -bigmem |
| 06:22.18 | xsdg | oh, yeah, oops |
| 06:22.22 | arafangion | xsdg: You just can't have it all in a single process's memory space. |
| 06:22.31 | xsdg | arafangion: yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 06:22.44 | xsdg | just didn't come out how I intended |
| 06:23.07 | arafangion | Will be interesting how programming practices change in 10 years... Will people start regularly mmapping entire multi-GB files? |
| 06:24.05 | Amarande | some folks probably will, especially the sort who try to cover up code bloat by assuming people's computers are powerful enough to handle it anyway |
| 06:24.12 | Amarande | which I get the impression is a common thing in that other world |
| 06:24.23 | Amarande | the one I'm soon leaving, you know, Microsoft Wild Draw Four :) |
| 06:24.28 | arafangion | Surprisngly not that common... mmap is quite limited there. |
| 06:24.56 | arafangion | (Or is it that you just can't mmap a _part_ of a file there?) |
| 06:25.05 | xsdg | Amarande: well, keep in mind that you always have to decide among features, performance, and code complexity |
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| 06:25.40 | arafangion | If you have the memory, depending on the data pattern, mmapping the entire multi-GB file may well be the fastest way to do it, with the minimum code. |
| 06:25.40 | xsdg | Amarande: "code bloat" is often just people deciding that they want more features without more code-complexity, because newer machines can handle it |
| 06:25.54 | Amarande | xsdg: not to mention in some sectors, gaming particularly, you probably have hardware manufacturers prodding you left and right to specifically bloat your code so that people will need to buy the new stuff :) |
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| 06:26.18 | Amarande | after all, if it wasn't for gaming, nVidia and ATI would probably be out of business and we'd probably still be running Trident cards on Pentium Pro's |
| 06:26.30 | arafangion | And infact, you can mmap files that are larger than the memory you have - as long as your memory space is big enough - that is, it's enough to merely have a 64-bit machine - you don't need gobs of memory as well. |
| 06:26.36 | xsdg | Amarande: well, no, for games, you stuff more and more detail into your textures so the games look more and more fantastic |
| 06:26.57 | Amarande | xsdg: and meanwhile stuff less and less effort into actual gameplay and interestingness, from what I've seen of games lately :( |
| 06:27.09 | arafangion | only plays nethack, for that reason. |
| 06:27.16 | xsdg | arafangion: haha :o) |
| 06:27.20 | qop_away | agree |
| 06:27.37 | Amarande | sadly, it seems that the last bastion of old guard, non-photo-graphics-obsessed gaming is going to die soon |
| 06:27.44 | Amarande | March 23 is the release date for the Playstation 2's last great game |
| 06:28.02 | Amarande | it has one more sucky looking movie tie-in title after that, and then that's all folks :( |
| 06:28.27 | Amarande | fittingly, the game releasing 3/23 is a Sakura Wars game called "So Long, My Love" |
| 06:28.31 | arafangion | There's always chess, but it is indeed getting harder to find a game for that relaxing hour after work. |
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| 06:28.44 | terafl0ps | I would argue that games are not that bloated compared to how spectacular the graphics have gotten. |
| 06:28.44 | Amarande | Yeah, I just got a nice new wooden chess set today. :) |
| 06:29.00 | arafangion | Civilisation isn't too bad. |
| 06:29.01 | xsdg | have y'all ever played Katamari Damacy? |
| 06:29.16 | Amarande | anyway, I suppose I had better reboot and start this install if I don't want to fall asleep before it finishes |
| 06:29.17 | Amarande | so laters. |
| 06:29.22 | xsdg | :o) |
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| 06:29.25 | xsdg | see ya |
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| 06:30.06 | qop_away | technological progression rise as the steps of stairs, some steps may be higher at some point but the other steps would eventually reach. The fact that games focus too much on graphics does not mean that at some point the graphics would be too good as to make a big difference and then other factors once stranded come back to priorty |
| 06:30.14 | qop_away | i.e. gameplay |
| 06:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're away |
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| 06:30.37 | qop_away | :p |
| 06:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't talk! |
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| 07:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | look for packages with "ia32" in the name? |
| 07:37.16 | evilgeek | sure, but they don't exist. |
| 07:37.44 | evilgeek | i'm sorta wondering what will happen if i just install the 32-bit packages. |
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| 07:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
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| 07:49.38 | jmarsden | evilgeek: It would probably be easier to just recompile the app, so it can join the 64bit world (unless it is closed source) |
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| 08:09.05 | nsadmin | !ops orgullocachanill spam |
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| 08:09.27 | liable | dpkg: wake up |
| 08:09.42 | nsadmin | what is up with that? |
| 08:09.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: orgullocachanill spam |
| 08:09.57 | liable | must be lagging or summin |
| 08:10.20 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 08:10.46 | nsadmin | need to find out why |
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| 08:12.41 | roland- | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages , can I cancel this? |
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| 08:14.09 | eagles0513875 | hey guys i have a question |
| 08:14.16 | eagles0513875 | you ahve the root account |
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| 08:14.30 | eagles0513875 | if you create a user add it to the sudoers file and reboot would that disable the root account |
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| 08:14.44 | liable | no |
| 08:14.46 | jmarsden | eagles0513875: No. |
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| 08:16.57 | eagles0513875 | strange then :( |
| 08:18.57 | jmarsden | eagles0513875: If you messed up the edit, try visudo -c to see the error(s) in your sudoers file. |
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| 08:19.29 | eagles0513875 | jmarsden: its not that just something happened with my friends vm on xen where he cant login with the root account |
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| 08:22.07 | jmarsden | eagles0513875: Maybe he's running Ubuntu? :) |
| 08:22.14 | eagles0513875 | nope |
| 08:22.31 | eagles0513875 | xen-tools is a pita in upgrading the versions of ubuntu it supports and i dont have time not to use them due to my studying atm |
| 08:22.40 | eagles0513875 | so its deb lenny host 64bit and guests 32bit |
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| 08:23.49 | jmarsden | eagles0513875: Troubleshoot like any other auth issue then... read the logs, check the account is not expired or disabled, etc... |
| 08:25.34 | eagles0513875 | ya well i just recreated cuz he wanted to see if i could get ubuntu installed but cant atm |
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| 08:28.33 | nsadmin | if xen-tools is a pita, you could choose to not use it... why not do that? |
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| 08:34.10 | groken | how can i see a list of what ip addresses are receiving syn cookies? |
| 08:34.50 | nsadmin | how many IP addresses do you have? |
| 08:35.04 | groken | just 1 |
| 08:35.15 | nsadmin | so these are incoming? |
| 08:36.19 | nsadmin | so this one IP is receiving syn cookies? |
| 08:36.48 | groken | yes, i'm just trying to see what ip addresses my server is providing syn cookies to |
| 08:37.01 | nsadmin | so not incoming but outgoing |
| 08:37.15 | groken | oh, yes, sorry |
| 08:37.44 | nsadmin | do you use a linux box as your gateway? |
| 08:38.02 | nsadmin | should be easy to run ethereal or something |
| 08:39.35 | nsadmin | this server, is a remote? |
| 08:40.06 | nsadmin | wait, the turnaround is taking quite awhile; I don't really have time to wait |
| 08:40.29 | groken | i think that i made my server drop connections from my ip address... i'm looking for a way to modify what ips are receiving syn cookies without turning the feature off |
| 08:40.47 | groken | yes, this is a remote server |
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| 08:41.27 | nsadmin | and so it has a real IP and you don't have any direct involvement with the gateway that covers the IP subnet |
| 08:41.41 | nsadmin | other than it's using it |
| 08:41.51 | groken | no, no direct control over it |
| 08:42.33 | groken | are you thinking that it's the gateway filtering me rather than my server? |
| 08:43.18 | nsadmin | not necessarily, but I was thinking the gateway would have been the place to run ethereal |
| 08:43.50 | nsadmin | is your iptables empty? |
| 08:44.04 | groken | yes |
| 08:45.10 | nsadmin | and only default chains and they're set to policy ACCEPT? |
| 08:45.50 | groken | i'm not too sure on how syn cookies are handled. what process is in charge of them? |
| 08:46.09 | nsadmin | syn is tcp I believe |
| 08:46.14 | jmarsden | The kernel :) |
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| 08:46.53 | nsadmin | syn is a stream open request, I thought |
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| 08:47.31 | groken | where is the information stored on who receives the cookies and who doesn't? |
| 08:48.09 | nsadmin | these are external IPs that your server is trying to establish connections to, yes? |
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| 08:49.30 | zcat[1] | just installed debian testing on a machine via the net istaller cd, install appeared to go OK but now it gets as far as the grub prompt and reboots. Any suggestions? Can still boot from the CD to a recovery shell, should I try downgrading to grub-legacy? |
| 08:49.46 | xingu | groken: the whole point of syncookies is that they're *stateless* |
| 08:50.00 | nsadmin | bbiab |
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| 08:50.34 | jmarsden | groken: The info you are seeking is "stored" (encoded) in the TCP sequence numbers, so it can be reconstructed by the server when it gets the ACK, that's the whole idea. |
| 08:50.43 | xingu | groken: the information needed to open the socket (the state normally held in the synq) can be recovered from the ack in toto |
| 08:50.51 | groken | i'm currently at ip A and the server is at ip B. i ran some code from A that flooded B and now i'm unable to reach B from A. other ips are able to access B just fine though |
| 08:51.54 | jmarsden | And this is related to syncookies how exactly? |
| 08:52.00 | vys | hi |
| 08:52.03 | zcat[1] | sounds more like you got firewalled |
| 08:52.09 | Yu\2 | hello all! |
| 08:52.12 | vys | at my workplace, we have half the servers running fedora and another half of the servers running debian. but we want to consolidate and move all of them to either fedora or debian. I wondering what are the merits of debian over fedora (or vice versa) that I should consider while making this decision. |
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| 08:52.47 | Yu\2 | I've installed i386 package on my amd64 system with help of dpkg. How to remove this package? |
| 08:52.50 | groken | xingu: i think that i was misunderstanding how syn cookies work... i was under the impression that only certain ips would receive them in the event of a perceived attack. it sounds like all ips recieve them at a given time |
| 08:53.27 | jmarsden | groken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYN_cookies would give you this kind of info :) |
| 08:53.40 | xingu | groken: exactly, it's a per-kernel-image setting, not per-interface or per-destination |
| 08:54.01 | xingu | grumbles about the layering violation that it bezerkely sockets one more time |
| 08:54.10 | xingu | s/it/is/ |
| 08:54.57 | groken | jmarsden: i saw the syn cookies log messages and presumed that was the issue with my connection |
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| 08:55.07 | Yu\2 | any ideas? |
| 08:55.12 | zcat[1] | OK, installed grub-legacy package, ran grub-install, now I get a GRUB> prompt. I think I overlooked something ;) |
| 08:56.08 | nsadmin | Yu\2 you know how to find the package name from the .deb file name? |
| 08:56.12 | groken | i'll contact my host. thanks everyone for helping clarify this to me |
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| 08:56.29 | zcat[1] | there's some command I can run that will build a menu.lst right? |
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| 08:56.44 | nsadmin | update-grub |
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| 08:56.59 | xingu | groken: nb, I've seen buggy tcp implementations die in a fire on extremely low latency transports when they're unwittingly *initiating* a synflood, the peer is using cookies, and, they can't get their head around a syn-synack-synackpsh-rst sequence that all happens inside the same scheduling tick. |
| 08:57.03 | zcat[1] | cool thanks nsadmin , just waiting for the CD to boot.. |
| 08:57.12 | Yu\2 | nsadmin, no |
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| 08:57.45 | Yu\2 | nsadmin, lets guess that I know the package name |
| 08:57.46 | nsadmin | Yu\2 take everything from the start to the first _ |
| 08:58.02 | nsadmin | then dpkg -r packagename3 |
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| 08:58.08 | nsadmin | and dpkg --help |
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| 08:58.13 | nsadmin | and man dpkg |
| 08:58.17 | xingu | groken: it's a great way to flush out races in the client kernel's tcp memory management. :) |
| 08:58.19 | zcat[1] | any idea why this hardware would not boot with the default settings? Is it likely to be an issue with GRUB or more likely the default kernel? |
| 08:59.14 | nsadmin | "this hardware |
| 08:59.24 | nsadmin | umm no idea :) |
| 08:59.37 | zcat[1] | HP Vectra |
| 08:59.54 | zcat[1] | crappy old 1GHz, 256M ram... |
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| 09:00.14 | nsadmin | what do you mean not boot exactly? do you see GRUB anytime during boot? |
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| 09:01.07 | zcat[1] | Yes, comes up with GRUB then promptly reboots itself |
| 09:01.25 | Yu\2 | nsadmin, thanks. it works. |
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| 09:01.51 | nsadmin | so in fact it is booting, just not finishing |
| 09:02.19 | zcat[1] | Well I'm not seeing any messages from the kernel. I don't count 'grub' as 'booting' |
| 09:02.34 | zcat[1] | It's 'starting to boot' |
| 09:02.49 | nsadmin | you asked whether the hardware was booting tho, and the answer to that is yes |
| 09:03.03 | zcat[1] | WOOT, problem solved. Boots fine with grub-legacy... |
| 09:03.25 | nsadmin | once you see GRUB the bios has done its job |
| 09:03.39 | xingu | groken: actually I tell a lie, there is one piece of held state; syncookie behaviour (when enabled) only kicks in when the backlog queue is exhausted (or near exhaustion) |
| 09:03.56 | xingu | groken: but it will kick in for any connection beyond that point, it's not source-specific. |
| 09:04.10 | nsadmin | zcat[1] glad it worked out |
| 09:05.31 | zcat[1] | next question; does debian have a nice easy way of adding flash, java, ocdecs and other things RMS would not approve of eg like 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' metapackage? |
| 09:05.40 | mike-burns | non-free |
| 09:05.52 | nsadmin | and contrib |
| 09:06.22 | nsadmin | you still installing from the cd? |
| 09:06.22 | zcat[1] | but no nice easy metapackage? I'm lazy, I don't want to have to remember what all these things are ;) |
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| 09:07.05 | zcat[1] | netinstall CD, I stopped installing from the CD about a thousand packages ago. |
| 09:07.18 | mike-burns | A "things Windows users miss" metapackage? |
| 09:07.34 | zcat[1] | A 'things ubuntu/min users miss' metapackage |
| 09:07.38 | zcat[1] | *mint |
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| 09:09.06 | zcat[1] | perhaps I need to find a guide to debian for ubuntu users |
| 09:09.21 | zcat[1] | It should be pretty similar though, right? |
| 09:10.24 | nsadmin | nope, they're separate just as they should be... they're not one big thing whose elements have no relation to each other |
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| 09:10.54 | nsadmin | other than being rms-unfriendly... :P |
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| 09:11.04 | pallu | hello all of you |
| 09:11.36 | pallu | how can i have an xsession open with out having to close the curent session? |
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| 09:11.56 | nsadmin | Xnest |
| 09:12.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | run it on :1 |
| 09:12.45 | nsadmin | or go for the gusto and run a whole server on probably vt8 and :1 |
| 09:12.50 | pallu | but how to i get it to run with gnome? |
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| 09:14.21 | zcat[1] | so how do I add the nonfree stuff? synaptic in debian is a little different from in ubuntu... |
| 09:14.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | zcat[1]: howso? |
| 09:15.01 | nsadmin | edit /etc/apt/sources.list with yer fav text editor; that's exactly the same on both sides |
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| 09:15.26 | zcat[1] | ubuntu has checkboxes for multiverse etc.. OK what do I add after 'main'? |
| 09:15.46 | nsadmin | contrib non-free |
| 09:15.55 | zcat[1] | nsadmin: not 'exactly' the same unless debian calls them universe/multiverse etc too |
| 09:16.31 | nsadmin | you might also want the dmm stuff |
| 09:16.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | zcat[1]: surely it has options for contrib+non-free in software properties too? |
| 09:16.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | hasn't looked recently ;o |
| 09:17.10 | zcat[1] | dmm? |
| 09:17.22 | nsadmin | let's time the bot... ready? |
| 09:17.25 | nsadmin | go! |
| 09:17.29 | nsadmin | !dmm |
| 09:17.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | tick tock tick tock |
| 09:17.40 | zcat[1] | Kamping_Kaiser: not checkboxen like ubuntu, no. |
| 09:17.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | zcat[1]: interesting |
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| 09:18.08 | pallu | so how can i get another session with gnome runing? |
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| 09:18.28 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 09:18.30 | nsadmin | try -query localhost |
| 09:18.32 | zcat[1] | which is probably why RMS really doesn't seem to like ubuntu much.. they make it too easy to add stuff he doesn't approve of |
| 09:18.34 | mike-burns | It looks like it pulls the checkboxes from /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 09:18.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | pallu: xnest, as you were told before. go rtfm now |
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| 09:20.06 | pallu | im sorry,,, :) i cant read spell or any thing im just here, im sorry that i ask because il i can read are pictures |
| 09:20.18 | nsadmin | you may wish to man X |
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| 09:29.14 | zcat[1] | ponders writing an 'easy-debian' script to add all this stuff automagically. |
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| 09:32.15 | nsadmin | you could look at the ubuntu metapackage |
| 09:32.59 | zcat[1] | there's an ubuntu metapackage? |
| 09:33.02 | nsadmin | but to make it work you'd have to put it into a local aptable source |
| 09:33.25 | nsadmin | didn't you just say ubuntu had a package that depends on all those other packages? |
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| 09:33.40 | zcat[1] | Ohhhh... I see what you mean |
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| 09:34.08 | zcat[1] | yeah, I could just look at what it depends on, they're mostly the same thing in debian anyhow |
| 09:34.28 | nsadmin | if that's how ubuntu does it, you might be able to port that metapackage |
| 09:35.04 | zcat[1] | I think I'll write myself a script that updates /etc/apt/sources.list, does an update/upgrade and then adds a big list of packages. |
| 09:35.33 | nsadmin | sigh... I've created a monster... |
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| 09:35.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
| 09:36.17 | nsadmin | anyway I'll bbl |
| 09:36.36 | Zharf | I'm thinking of getting HP Mini 5101... anyone have any experience with debian on one of them? judging by the hardware I think it shouldn't have any major problems at least... but I like to be certain :) |
| 09:36.44 | zcat[1] | I did the same thing way back before ubuntu had the metapackage ;) |
| 09:37.34 | zcat[1] | so how come debian is strangely usable on this machine when I can't even run the installer for ubuntu?!! |
| 09:38.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | zcat[1]: your still asleep. in 10-15 min you'll wake up and screem 'nooooo' |
| 09:38.31 | Zharf | ubuntu is made for humans... I found out that I'm not one of them about a year ago when I tried to install it on my friends box on request.. |
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| 09:39.50 | zcat[1] | I suspect that once I've installed all the things I miss from Ubuntu, debian will end up just as slow... |
| 09:40.08 | cahoot | why this eager discussion of ubuntu here? |
| 09:40.40 | zcat[1] | cahoot: long time ubuntu user having a play with debian here |
| 09:40.50 | cahoot | still OT |
| 09:40.59 | zcat[1] | .. and asking how to make debian more like ubuntu ;) |
| 09:41.12 | zcat[1] | lol you guys must hate that |
| 09:41.35 | cahoot | not hate just slightly nauseous |
| 09:42.34 | zcat[1] | well there's a lot of things I don't like about ubuntu so I'm pretty seriously thinking about jumping ship. |
| 09:43.25 | Zharf | there's also a lot of things I don't like about debian... I've been thinking of making my own linux distribution from scratch :) |
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| 09:43.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | Zharf: gawd, not another ;) |
| 09:43.56 | Zharf | Kamping_Kaiser, :p |
| 09:44.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | :P |
| 09:44.14 | zcat[1] | yeah, last time I tried to switch there was a lot of things I couldn't figure out in debian too... but this time I'll give it a bit longer I think |
| 09:44.43 | cahoot | Zharf: also considered building your own car from scratch? |
| 09:44.45 | Flash_ | you shouldn't switch because you don't know how to do something. Only after you learn how to do it and realise it's stupid - that's when you should switch :) |
| 09:45.03 | Zharf | cahoot, I don't have a car and never plan to have one either |
| 09:45.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | cahoot: actually, i have ;) |
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| 09:45.53 | cahoot | truly impressed |
| 09:46.02 | Zharf | cahoot, as soon as they remove alsa, pulse, arts and whatever dependencies my desires to make my own linux will be significantly smaller |
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| 09:46.50 | cahoot | Zharf: you feel those are pressed upon you when you install debian? |
| 09:46.54 | zcat[1] | ahhh crap, I see debian comes with mono by default too... |
| 09:47.06 | Zharf | cahoot, when I install things I might want to use, yes |
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| 09:47.45 | Zharf | but I suppose the fault is in the programs too |
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| 09:48.00 | Zharf | stupid unnecessary dependencies that could very well be optional |
| 09:48.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Zharf: some migth be recommends, with recommends installed by default. |
| 09:48.36 | cahoot | Zharf: well alsa is rathen hard to avoid since it comes withe kernel, the others mentioned are not present here so... |
| 09:48.45 | Flash_ | yes - i share your pain about stupid dependancies, but I think that applies to all the main distros |
| 09:49.01 | Zharf | I've been avoiding alsa for 2 years or so now :) |
| 09:49.10 | Zharf | Flash_, indeed |
| 09:49.16 | cahoot | Zharf: i e you build you own kernel |
| 09:49.19 | Zharf | Flash_, which is why I feel like making my own sometimes |
| 09:49.21 | Zharf | cahoot, no I don't |
| 09:49.27 | Zharf | cahoot, OSS installer removes alsa for me |
| 09:49.32 | Flash_ | fair enough. hope you have plenty of time :) |
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| 09:49.39 | Zharf | Flash_, all I got is time |
| 09:49.50 | cahoot | Zharf: well removes its function not the modules |
| 09:49.52 | Flash_ | now I'm thinking you're in jail |
| 09:49.58 | Zharf | cahoot, it removes the modules |
| 09:50.45 | cahoot | Zharf: yes - my bad - though oss is hardly a better choice for most |
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| 09:51.07 | Zharf | as a programmer and musician I find OSS way better |
| 09:51.14 | Zharf | but that's just me |
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| 09:53.06 | jamila | hi |
| 09:53.17 | jamila | how can i retrieve back my network manager icon? |
| 09:53.52 | Flash_ | right click the bar and add? (guess) |
| 09:54.29 | jamila | na! |
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| 09:55.23 | gigo | I want to generate a sound of a particular frequency and duration. What should I use? |
| 09:56.02 | cahoot | jamila: tried nm-applet |
| 09:56.27 | cahoot | gigo: ecasound f ex |
| 09:56.29 | jamila | cahoot, i was given this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager#Missing%20panel%20applet |
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| 09:57.24 | gigo | cahoot, what is f and ex? |
| 09:57.28 | jamila | brb |
| 09:57.40 | cahoot | gigo: ecasound ? |
| 09:58.05 | gigo | cahoot, you typed "ecasound f ex". I understood ecasound is the name of the package. what is f and ex? |
| 09:58.06 | zcat[1] | !info ecasound |
| 09:58.29 | zcat[1] | zzzz |
| 09:58.37 | dpkg | ecasound: (Multitrack-capable audio recorder and effect processor), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.7.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1666 kB, Installed size: 3648 kB |
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| 10:38.33 | gigo | I am trying the tones command available in siggen package but it says, /dev/dsp busy. how to resolve this? |
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| 10:40.47 | cahoot | gigo: fuser -v /dev/dsp* - stop the process that occupies it |
| 10:41.10 | cahoot | gigo but why not use an app that uses alsa? |
| 10:41.10 | gigo | cahoot, no output for this command |
| 10:41.32 | cahoot | gigo: fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* |
| 10:41.41 | cahoot | (as root) |
| 10:43.06 | cahoot | gigo: (or simply) ecasound -i tone,sine,440,3 |
| 10:43.44 | gigo | cahoot, yes, but I can't play multiple tones sequentially in ecasound. that's why I am using of tones of siggen package. |
| 10:44.03 | gigo | one simple workaround is to write the output into wav file and then play the wav file |
| 10:45.22 | cahoot | gigo: still no output from fuser? |
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| 10:47.07 | gigo | cahoot, http://pastebin.com/m3dbd20df |
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| 10:48.07 | cahoot | gigo: so does dsp become accessible if you close rhythmbox? |
| 10:49.32 | gigo | cahoot, no |
| 10:50.47 | gigo | cahoot, now I get this output: http://pastebin.com/m52106d74 (Don't now why timidity is now appearing in the output) |
| 10:51.16 | gigo | $ ps -aef | grep timidity --> timidity 2440 1 0 Jan30 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/timidity -Os -iAD |
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| 10:51.55 | cahoot | gigo: npviewer - isn't that related to firefox/flash? |
| 10:52.15 | gigo | yes. so I have to close all of these to make dsp work? |
| 10:52.26 | cahoot | gigo: I guess so |
| 10:52.27 | gigo | aren't they all supposed to be sending through alsamixer? |
| 10:52.36 | cahoot | supposed to |
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| 10:53.01 | cahoot | but I'm not sure flash is well behaved wrt alsa |
| 10:53.37 | gordonjcp | gigo: "sending through alsamixer"? |
| 10:54.07 | gigo | gordonjcp, doesn't all the players use alsamixer? I thought alsamixer allows different programs to be outputting sound simultaneously |
| 10:55.01 | cahoot | gigo: it's a confusion of terms - alsa !=alsamixer |
| 10:56.18 | gordonjcp | gigo: no, alsamixer is what you use to adjust the hardware mixer in your soundcard |
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| 10:57.08 | gigo | then if one process occupying the /dev/dsp makes it busy, how do multiple players play music at the same time? |
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| 10:58.44 | cahoot | gigo: that's why you should stick to alsa-aware apps |
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| 10:59.24 | cahoot | gigo: dsp is alsa's oss-emulation |
| 10:59.25 | gigo | i mean what is the technology concept? If one process writes to /dev/dsp it becomes busy. so in linux how so many apps can produce sound at the same time? |
| 10:59.34 | gigo | do they write to /dev/dsp or do they write to something else? |
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| 11:07.43 | Trewas | gigo: /dev/dsp is used by OSS, not alsa, and OSS only can play many sounds at the same time if the hardware supports it, alsa has dmix for mixing sounds so it can play many sounds simultaneously even without hw support |
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| 11:19.42 | da78 | hello @all, how can i cofigure the Policykit? At the moment i cant shutdown out of the gnome session. |
| 11:21.54 | gigo | Trewas, so, why cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp reports dsp as busy if my disp can play many sounds at the same time? |
| 11:23.44 | RichiH | is there any cli download manager with a queue, start/stop/resume, parallel downloads and maybe even downloading files in chucks & parallel? |
| 11:23.59 | Trewas | gigo: you are probably using alsa drivers in the kernel, I don't know if alsa's oss emulation can play many sounds even if the hardware does |
| 11:24.05 | RichiH | the best i could find is axel, which bascially wget only a _lot_ more spammy with no extra features |
| 11:24.16 | zinx | Trewas: only for a very few cards |
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| 11:29.27 | mjec | Hi all, I've got an issue with apt |
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| 11:30.23 | mjec | A package I installed didn't work and I'm getting an exit status 2 with post-removal script, so I can't remove it; also can't install it because of same error in post-install script. |
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| 11:30.44 | nsadmin | look at the script |
| 11:31.02 | nsadmin | s |
| 11:31.09 | sepult | mjec: purge the info script in /var/lib/dpkg/info, most of them are shitty |
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| 11:31.41 | themill | sepult: you have presumably submitted patches for the bugs you filed regarding said shittiness? |
| 11:32.02 | sepult | themill: yea i did, have you read them all ? |
| 11:32.31 | sepult | themill: i here have problems too with them, that's what i do if i can't recover anymore |
| 11:32.34 | sepult | nothing helps |
| 11:33.08 | nsadmin | not even reading the script to see what could be wrong? |
| 11:33.15 | mjec | Thanks nsadmin, sepult! Just didn't know where to find /var/lib/dpkg/info but that's fixed it! |
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| 11:33.45 | sepult | mjec: sorry to give you non professional advice though |
| 11:33.58 | sepult | mjec: that's always frowned upon ya know |
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| 11:34.48 | mjec | sepult: it's exactly what I wanted - just get it out if it's not going to work. |
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| 11:36.12 | sepult | for example i have pdl package here, upon reinstalling, the post bla script tells me the /usr/share/doc/pdl/html/PDL dir is not empty, (it was already installed before, my system crashed i recovered it and now am reregistering packages), so it can't move the doc to there |
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| 11:37.24 | mo2000 | hiho |
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| 11:40.24 | HackeMate | sorry for this question: how can i know what arch i have? |
| 11:40.26 | HackeMate | 32 or 64bits |
| 11:40.33 | nsadmin | arch |
| 11:40.39 | HackeMate | architecture? |
| 11:40.45 | HackeMate | i dont know how write it |
| 11:40.49 | nsadmin | didn't you install it? |
| 11:41.06 | HackeMate | i used first iso i found |
| 11:41.11 | vinc456 | Maybe you could use 'file' on something in /usr/bin |
| 11:41.12 | mo2000 | I have a BIG Problem: i wrote (ok modified skeleton) for a init.d script... the script is working fine when called by invoke-rd.d.... but when i shutdown the script is interrupted... how can i tell shutdown that i need mor time |
| 11:41.14 | HackeMate | im using a quadcore 8400 |
| 11:41.25 | nsadmin | type: |
| 11:41.27 | nsadmin | arch |
| 11:41.28 | vinc456 | And see whether the executables are 32bit |
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| 11:41.48 | HackeMate | command not found |
| 11:41.50 | HackeMate | i will find the package |
| 11:42.09 | nsadmin | and the holodeck controls will become visible and you can exit... |
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| 11:42.36 | vinc456 | I feel so bad for Will. He must get a lot of highlighting on his IRC client. |
| 11:42.47 | mo2000 | HackeMate: x86 -> 32 bit Intel and AMD (not Itanium) and amd64 -> 64bit on Intel and AMD |
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| 11:43.31 | HackeMate | aha, thanks, and i guess i can't instal a 32bits in a 64bits computer, right? |
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| 11:44.02 | nsadmin | yes you can, in an amd64 |
| 11:44.09 | mo2000 | HackeMate: so if you have a cpu like Intel Core or an AMD Opteron you can install amd64 to have a 64 bit system |
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| 11:44.26 | mharris | HackeMate: Every AMD or Intel made CPU based on the AMD64 architecture can run any 32bit or 64bit OS designed for x86 or x86_64. |
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| 11:45.06 | reber | hi all. I have problems with usb to parallel adapter. It seems that the printer get data, but doesn't print. Ideas ? |
| 11:45.07 | HackeMate | but using 64bits on a 64bits cpu, will be faster or better? |
| 11:45.37 | nsadmin | maybe, but not necessarily |
| 11:45.38 | mharris | HackeMate: With AMD64 architecture, generally speaking yes. It depends on the exact applications though. |
| 11:45.55 | HackeMate | oh i see |
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| 11:46.01 | mo2000 | HackeMate: if you have less than 3GB Memory x86 bit is prefered... otherwise amd64 (cause the 4. GB is only accessible with PAE -> IMHO bullshit) |
| 11:46.36 | mharris | AMD64 provides a larger number of registers and new addressing modes, along with other stuff that the compiler can benefit from significantly. |
| 11:46.55 | HackeMate | well, my idea is get more than my actual 3gb, but really is not so important, i dont need too much memory |
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| 11:47.07 | HackeMate | thank you so much for this lesson, google talks too much and say nothing sometimes |
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| 11:47.19 | mo2000 | nsadmin: you remember my flush problem with KDE Konsole? -> I testet now indeep |
| 11:47.26 | mharris | It depends on the code though. Most code will run equal performance or better in general, but there are some examples where things will run slower too, such as code that has hand optimized 32bit assembler, but no 64bit assembler, and falls back to C fallbacks. |
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| 11:47.43 | nsadmin | oh? what did you find out |
| 11:49.09 | mo2000 | nsadmin: Funny thing single-core no problem at all... on Quad-core it happens always after login to X, regardless of the XON/XOFF Flag, but it is fixed when you switch the flag once |
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| 11:51.01 | mo2000 | nsadmin: so now i am shur that that there is a problem with flushing and some semaphore (or whatever is used to sync bash and konsole output)... |
| 11:51.50 | nsadmin | it still might not be bash |
| 11:52.03 | nsadmin | try changing the default shell |
| 11:52.35 | mo2000 | nsadmin: I can live with that cause i log only once in a week... my other problem with the init.d script is more important now... |
| 11:53.18 | pbn | Hi, what is the proper way to disable ipv6 on Debian testing ? I tried alias net-pf-10 off in /etc/modprobe/aliases but after rebooting ifconfig stills shows an ip6 address for eth0 ... any idea ? |
| 11:54.05 | mharris | pbn: is there an /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 11:54.15 | pbn | mharris: ah I'm gonna look |
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| 11:54.26 | pbn | mharris: yes there is |
| 11:54.39 | mharris | echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" > /etc/modprobe.d/disable-ipv6.conf ; reboot |
| 11:54.40 | nsadmin | anyways, sleeptime for bonzo :) |
| 11:54.46 | mharris | That should do it. |
| 11:55.19 | mo2000 | How do i tell the init process to execute a script in init.d to the end before executing others (in fact the file system is unmounted while i save VM State to disk) |
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| 12:00.39 | Zharf | does every debian image come with memtest86+? |
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| 12:01.49 | XenIX2 | hello how i cant upgrade debian 4.0 to 5 |
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| 12:03.00 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 12:03.13 | arctanx | XenIX2: Depends on what packages you have installed, but the most straightforward way is to change "etch" to "lenny" in /etc/apt/source.list, then aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade and see what happens. |
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| 12:03.25 | arctanx | uuh, /etc/apt/sources.list I mean |
| 12:03.36 | fat-lobyte | Hi, whats the command line to display the versions of the packages depending on a specific package? It should look like the "Versions of packages X depends on: " field of a reportbug bugreport. |
| 12:03.36 | rooisto47 | from where xterm get his keyb config ?(I mean us, fr, ...) |
| 12:03.46 | rooisto47 | *does |
| 12:04.32 | jelly-home | from the X server, rooisto47. Are you actually asking "where do I configure the keyboard layout"? |
| 12:05.13 | LinkRage | What is the package name for the 'svn' command in debian ? apt-get install svn --> "Package svn is not available" |
| 12:05.20 | jelly-home | LinkRage: subversion |
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| 12:05.26 | LinkRage | thank you !! |
| 12:05.48 | LinkRage | was looking for it for several days now :) |
| 12:06.09 | rooisto47 | jelly-home: because when crezating a live debian image, I set the keyb config to "fr", then int the console there is no problem but when running startx and enter the graphic mode, xterm is set to us keyb |
| 12:06.19 | fat-lobyte | LinkRage: An aptitude search svn might have told you. |
| 12:06.33 | jelly-home | LinkRage: you didn't look in the right places then. /msg dpkg search, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 12:07.14 | LinkRage | jelly-home, I see thanks! |
| 12:07.34 | topi` | rooisto47: xkb extension handles the keyb translation in xorg |
| 12:08.09 | jelly-home | and the right places to configure it has moved around a few times in the last 12 months |
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| 12:08.41 | fat-lobyte | on a related topic, does anybody know how I am supposed to configure my synaptics touchpad? |
| 12:08.48 | jelly-home | rooisto47: "setxkbmap fr" can change it in the current session |
| 12:09.16 | arctanx | fat-lobyte: The gentoo wiki page on the synaptics touchpad has a great lot of information including sample configs for that |
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| 12:09.46 | fat-lobyte | I (thik I) have configured my xorg.conf and also /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi, but it still does not do what I want |
| 12:09.54 | fat-lobyte | arctanx: thanks, I'll have a look at it |
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| 12:10.09 | arctanx | Hehe I remember having trouble making the fdi take effect |
| 12:10.29 | fat-lobyte | how did you get it to take effect? |
| 12:10.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | arctanx: hey :) |
| 12:10.33 | arctanx | Couldn't understand why but it seemed to be ignoring it. I think I gave up on linux on my macbook before I got to the bottom of it |
| 12:10.40 | arctanx | Kamping_Kaiser: evening, sir |
| 12:11.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | arctanx: what brings you to sunny #debian? |
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| 12:11.08 | rooisto47 | jelly-home: and there is no other solution ? put this in the autostart.sh scripte (i'm using openbox) or other thing ? |
| 12:11.38 | TTT | Hi, I'm having trouble installing mysql on debian. I try to install stock mysql-server on SID, I don't have any other mysqls installed, and I get "Can't start server : Bind on unix socket: Permission denied" on startup |
| 12:11.40 | arctanx | Kamping_Kaiser: I honestly can't remember. Something to read, I suppose. You? |
| 12:12.01 | TTT | permissions on /var/run/mysqld and /var/lib/mysql are fine, mysql owned and writable |
| 12:12.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | arctanx: i always lurk here. don't think i'd seen you tak here before |
| 12:12.17 | rooisto47 | topi`: xkb extension? |
| 12:12.47 | arctanx | Kamping_Kaiser: I probably haven't. Just saw one or two low hanging fruit so I thought I'd pitch in a couple of cents worth |
| 12:12.48 | fat-lobyte | arctanx: how did you actually get it to be recognized? |
| 12:13.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | arctanx: cool. I'll leave you to it :) |
| 12:13.55 | jelly-home | rooisto47: there definitely is, but I don't know the correct place to put it off the top of my head, and it changes between releases. |
| 12:14.02 | arctanx | fat-lobyte: Okay first up I remember now that it was ubuntu, not debian, but it seemed that there were multiple places where the fdi files were supposed to be read from, but in practice it was only reading from the dir where all the stock configs were |
| 12:14.07 | jelly-home | rooisto47: which debian release are you using? |
| 12:14.20 | arctanx | I think the directory you said is the correct one |
| 12:14.42 | rooisto47 | jelly-home: testing |
| 12:14.57 | fat-lobyte | arctanx: interestingly, it seems its not read correctly... |
| 12:15.21 | jelly-home | rooisto47: /etc/default/console-setup then, I think |
| 12:15.26 | arctanx | fat-lobyte: your best thing to aim for is to get it to load the driver and turn on the SHMConfig option, so then you can tweak the parameters while you're using it, then spend the time encoding them all in XML |
| 12:15.31 | fat-lobyte | do you know anything about an issue with the jumping mousecursor if you get too far to the right of the touchpad? |
| 12:15.46 | rooisto47 | jelly-home: ok I'll see |
| 12:15.50 | fat-lobyte | arctanx: with the gsynaptics thingy? |
| 12:16.06 | arctanx | I think there's a console tool where you can tell it to change a parameter too, but yeah |
| 12:16.18 | fat-lobyte | thanks, I will try |
| 12:16.54 | arctanx | The other thing to check is what you're using as the test for including your bit of XML |
| 12:16.56 | fat-lobyte | of course first I have to find the configuration file which is actually responsible for enabling SHMConfig |
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| 12:17.14 | arctanx | at the start of your xml for the synaptics bit, it will be testing some string to see if you have the right device |
| 12:17.52 | arctanx | I can't remember the command off the top of my head, but there's a way to get hal to tell you all the devices that are connected, including all those strings |
| 12:18.00 | rooisto47 | jelly-home: but in the console (text mode) I haven't problem it's set to "fr", it's when using xterm (graphic mode) that I got the "us" keyb config ! |
| 12:18.15 | fat-lobyte | something like this: <merge key="input.x11_driver" type="string">synaptics</merge> ? |
| 12:18.15 | arctanx | It's important that the string for your specific touchpad matches the one which you're using as the qualifier to add your config |
| 12:18.16 | jelly-home | rooisto47: yes, you already said that. |
| 12:18.24 | rooisto47 | ^^ |
| 12:18.31 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
| 12:18.35 | arctanx | Not that bit, I don't hink |
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| 12:19.36 | arctanx | It'll be a <match> tag |
| 12:20.20 | khinester | hello, i get an error when running easy_install error: Not a recognized archive type: /tmp/easy_install-jIiQZJ/pygobject-2.21.1.tar.bz2 |
| 12:20.23 | fat-lobyte | there it is: <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.touchpad"> . Seems pretty correct to me... |
| 12:20.38 | khinester | how do i install bzip2-dev on debian |
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| 12:21.14 | arctanx | fat-lobyte: lshal is the command you want. Run that, and check that your synaptics touchpad includes that string in its info.capabilities key |
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| 12:22.43 | fat-lobyte | I don't mean to offend anybody, but this hal seems like a gigantic cloud of xml config files and D-Bus calls to me... |
| 12:23.05 | arctanx | Yeah I was a bit put off until it saved me at work one day |
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| 12:23.10 | ilj | hi |
| 12:23.12 | fat-lobyte | Supposed to be "configurable" but has actually the reverse effect |
| 12:23.19 | arctanx | I had a tonne of USB devices all sealed in a block where I couldn't access them, and I needed to disable just a couple |
| 12:23.30 | ilj | I want to change default mouse cursor theme in windowmaker to one that is located in ~/.icons/neutral/. How do I do that? |
| 12:23.31 | arctanx | using some of this fdi and matching stuff, I was able to achieve just that |
| 12:23.40 | fat-lobyte | interesting... |
| 12:24.02 | fat-lobyte | it's rather complicated, isn't it? |
| 12:24.05 | arctanx | but I agree it's pretty ugly |
| 12:24.05 | jelly-home | fat-lobyte: an OS requiring users to change xml files to set up input devices has, undoubtedly, failed. |
| 12:25.03 | arctanx | there's nothing to stop you using xorg.conf ;) |
| 12:25.14 | fat-lobyte | jelly-home: admittedly, thats one of the downsides of debian. I just wish it were the only time I had to mess with stuff like that... |
| 12:25.57 | jelly-home | arctanx: yes, but first you have to figure out the magic incantations to bring back the old, deprecated behaviour |
| 12:26.08 | arctanx | yeah, I know hehe |
| 12:26.21 | jelly-home | (not to mention, generate an xorg.conf because it doesn't exist at all by default) |
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| 12:26.29 | arctanx | well that part's all right. Xorg -configure |
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| 12:26.46 | arctanx | But yeah I can't explain the reasoning or aims behind this type of configuration. I've just used it a bit |
| 12:26.55 | fat-lobyte | ok guys, thanks a lot. I will try to configure when there is more time. |
| 12:26.59 | fat-lobyte | goodbye then! |
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| 12:27.02 | arctanx | ciao |
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| 12:27.25 | jelly-home | fat-lobyte: read the topic in #debian-x on irc.debian.org, there are some potentially useful links |
| 12:27.33 | abrotman | slow! |
| 12:27.43 | jelly-home | *shrug* |
| 12:27.53 | arctanx | debian has its own irc network? |
| 12:28.14 | jelly-home | it has an official irc network, yes |
| 12:28.26 | jelly-home | !oftc |
| 12:28.28 | dpkg | methinks oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 12:28.34 | jelly-home | !oftc move |
| 12:28.37 | dpkg | irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
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| 12:28.55 | arctanx | oh actually I vaguely remember that |
| 12:29.08 | jelly-home | arctanx: to make things more interesting, some #debian-* channels moved and some stayed |
| 12:29.15 | jelly-home | fun! |
| 12:29.43 | jelly-home | also, this channel is still labeled as "official" with a single hash |
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| 12:30.04 | arctanx | amusingly the linked mailing list thread doesn't actually provide any reason at all |
| 12:30.13 | arctanx | just ten people saying "sure, why not" |
| 12:30.18 | jelly-home | not surprised at all |
| 12:30.44 | arctanx | I have dim recollection of there being some dumb political argument reponsible |
| 12:31.01 | arctanx | Not that it matters now, this channel is plenty big in its own right |
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| 12:31.35 | l700bluetooth | i am a complete newbie. i have a Samsung SGH-L700 mobile phone and a netbook. Both have bluetooth built-in and can communicate with each other via bluetooth. I want to surf the web FOR FREE on my mobile. Can anyone tell me in newbie friendly terms how can I share my netbook's internet connection with my mobile via bluetooth? |
| 12:31.49 | jelly-home | arctanx: It's a big, unnecessary mess but I've come to expect no less from Debian. |
| 12:32.04 | rooisto47 | jelly-home: thank you so much !!!! it's working :) |
| 12:32.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. perfectly phrased |
| 12:33.18 | arctanx | l700bluetooth: Just to check, are you certain that this is possible with your phone? Every use I've ever seen is the other way around -- people sharing their _mobile phone's_ internet connection with the laptop. |
| 12:33.40 | gordonjcp | arctanx: not until you dig down about ten posts, and then it turns out to be someone whining because their client isn't set to auto-identify |
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| 12:34.08 | arctanx | gordonjcp: oh right. Actually that happened yesterday with #bittorrent, funnily enough |
| 12:34.44 | gordonjcp | arctanx: and personally I don't want to use OFTC because the ops are on crack |
| 12:35.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | gordonjcp: darn, i must be in the wrong channels |
| 12:35.14 | pbn | Hi I'm trying to disable ipv6 on Debian testing. Tried echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" > /etc/modprobe.d/disable-ipv6.conf and reboot, ifconfig still shows ipv6 adresses ... Tried adding alias net-pf-10 off and alias ipv6 off to /etc/modprobe.d/00local and reboot, ifconfig still shows ipv6 addresses ... ouch, any idea ? |
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| 12:35.24 | jelly-home | gordonjcp: even though a good part of them are much the same people? |
| 12:35.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell pbn about noipv6 |
| 12:36.12 | arctanx | dpkg: tell arctanx about noipv6 |
| 12:36.20 | jelly-home | dpkg: tell arctanx about selftell |
| 12:36.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell arctanx about selftell |
| 12:36.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol. snap. |
| 12:36.26 | arctanx | lol |
| 12:36.26 | mo2000 | re |
| 12:36.28 | l700bluetooth | arctanx, it is possible. |
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| 12:36.31 | jelly-home | highfives Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 12:36.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | highfives jelly-home |
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| 12:38.22 | arctanx | l700bluetooth: Okay. I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do it, but I thought I'd check that was right |
| 12:38.27 | pbn | thanks |
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| 12:39.10 | ae86-drifter | could someone please help me with sshfs? im getting fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied, worked fine in ubuntu |
| 12:39.26 | l700bluetooth | arctanx, thanks for at least telling that you are not sure how to do it. What about the rest of people here??? |
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| 12:40.04 | ae86-drifter | im typing nathan@debian:~$ sshfs murray@murray:/var/www /murray then asks for pw then i get that error |
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| 12:40.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | l700bluetooth: you really want 400 people to announce 'no, can't help'? |
| 12:40.26 | Etna | how do you install KDE4 into Lenny? Or rather, what repositories should be added? |
| 12:40.38 | Etna | getting quite bored with KDE3.5 |
| 12:40.48 | l700bluetooth | Kamping_Kaiser, i predict a riot |
| 12:40.59 | yang | I am wondering how to get the missing firmware files for e100 NIC cards - http://pastebin.com/m470eefae |
| 12:41.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | ae86-drifter: other then ssh keys, i can't suggest anything |
| 12:41.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | yang: which debian are you running? |
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| 12:41.47 | ae86-drifter | Kamping_Kaiser, the ssh key is there, or else it should of come up with a warning, the /murray folder is chmodded 777 and owned by user |
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| 12:42.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | ae86-drifter: i was thinking more of the correct keys being shared then wehter it existed |
| 12:42.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl either way |
| 12:42.28 | yang | Kamping_Kaiser: squeeze , upgrading to 2.6.32-trunk |
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| 12:42.48 | ae86-drifter | Kamping_Kaiser, hmm well i dont think its an issue with my server config, because i can access it fine using 3 other PC's running ubuntu, just not this debian PC |
| 12:42.51 | jelly-home | yang: install firmware-linux |
| 12:42.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | yang: check the packages suggets/recomments for a firmware- package |
| 12:44.06 | jimcooncat | Is squeeze appropriate to run as my development server, that is, behind a lenny firewall? |
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| 12:46.44 | jelly-home | jimcooncat: if you plan on deploying it only when squeeze becomes stable, then yes |
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| 12:46.59 | CptPicard | hmm... so.. what is the smart way to deal with the lenny->squeeze dist-upgrade problem with udev and kernel version? |
| 12:47.11 | jelly-home | !udev squeeze |
| 12:47.16 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 12:47.36 | ae86-drifter | this sux, i really wanted to give debian i chance but i may have to go back to ubuntu |
| 12:47.38 | jimcooncat | jelly-home: thanks. Squeeze has just a few things I'd like to have, perhaps I'll figure out how to compile them, as they're pretty simple apps. |
| 12:47.40 | CptPicard | allright, thanks |
| 12:47.43 | jelly-home | make it so. |
| 12:48.07 | CptPicard | will do~ |
| 12:48.45 | yang | Any idea how to fix this NIC drivers issue on a rescue system, I think that my remote system doesn't boot any longer becouse of the lack of NIC drivers - http://pastebin.ca/1773012 |
| 12:48.47 | ilj | I want to change default mouse cursor theme in windowmaker to one that is located in ~/.icons/neutral/. How do I do that? |
| 12:49.07 | jelly-home | jimcooncat: if you just need newer versions of some stuff, see if backports.org has them (/msg dpkg bpo), or consider doing local backports. (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 12:49.15 | Zharf | sigh |
| 12:49.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | yang: looks like a packaging bug |
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| 12:50.15 | jimcooncat | jelly-home: thanks for the ssb link, I forgot about it. backports.org doesn't have fossil, which I think would be simpler for me to use instead of git |
| 12:50.27 | yang | Kamping_Kaiser: well it says missing /proc/ .. .befcouse I am on a rescue system |
| 12:50.28 | jelly-home | yang: generate the initramfs manually? |
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| 12:50.36 | yang | jelly-home: can you tell me how to do that? |
| 12:50.38 | jelly-home | yang: and mount that /proc manually, too |
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| 12:50.57 | jelly-home | yang: use update-initramfs to create it |
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| 12:52.06 | rooisto47 | is there any mocp user ? I when know how can use keyb shortcute for mocp (to next, backward, pause, ... ) not in mocp window is displayed !? |
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| 12:52.17 | rooisto47 | *I want to |
| 12:52.24 | yang | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1773018 |
| 12:52.34 | HSorgYves | what is the best way to mount /proc in a chroot like /var/lib/named? |
| 12:53.49 | jelly-home | yang: you'll likely need to mount /proc |
| 12:53.53 | yang | jelly-home: I don't know "from where" I can mount /proc |
| 12:54.04 | Zharf | these stupid debian live images refuse to boot on my eeepc |
| 12:54.41 | rooisto47 | Zharf: what's the problem ? |
| 12:54.43 | jelly-home | yang: it's a virtual filesystem provided by the kernel. Somwthing like mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 12:54.55 | Zharf | rooisto47, "insert boot media" :) |
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| 12:55.25 | rooisto47 | that's what you have printed when try to boot ? |
| 12:55.26 | yang | jelly-home: I do that outside of chroot on the rescue system ? |
| 12:55.27 | Zharf | I dd'd the image on the USB stick, sync'd and booted my laptop with it and it says there's no boot media |
| 12:55.51 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: how to mount proc on each reboot? |
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| 12:56.18 | rooisto47 | Zharf: you bios boot list is set correctly |
| 12:56.18 | rooisto47 | ? |
| 12:56.19 | Zharf | yes |
| 12:56.23 | ae86-drifter | could someone please help me fix this "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" message, im trying to use sshfs, i am already a member of the fuse group, the server is configured properly because it works fine from 3 other PCs the mountpoint is owned by user not root, and chmod 777, really stuck here any help would be appreciated please |
| 12:56.24 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: add it to fstab? |
| 12:56.36 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: that would work |
| 12:56.47 | Zharf | it booted fine when I zcat'd boot.img.gz on it and put debian-testing-whatever-netinst.iso in it... but it has no memtest86+... |
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| 12:57.21 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: is there a better way? |
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| 12:57.22 | rooisto47 | Zharf: I don't really no but I guess there is probably a mistake in dd |
| 12:57.28 | jelly-home | ae86-drifter: what are the ownerships and permission on /dev/fuse? |
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| 12:58.25 | yang | wow jelly-home it seems to be working, I will continue after lunch |
| 12:58.27 | Zharf | rooisto47, other than the images not doing what they're supposed to do, unlikely :) |
| 12:58.30 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: you could do it in the init script for your chrooted service I guess |
| 12:58.53 | rooisto47 | Zharf: you have to do this dd if=binary.img of=${USBSTICK} and ${USBSTICK} must be /dev/sdX and not /dev/sdX1 |
| 12:58.54 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: ok |
| 12:59.06 | rooisto47 | have you notified this ? |
| 12:59.38 | ae86-drifter | jelly-home, crw-rw---- 1 root root 10, 229 Jan 31 23:20 /dev/fuse |
| 12:59.40 | Zharf | rooisto47, duh, I know |
| 12:59.45 | rooisto47 | lol |
| 12:59.48 | yang | jelly-home: now, I am getting this error, if you have any further suggestion, I will be back soon - http://pastebin.ca/1773027 |
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| 13:00.13 | jelly-home | ae86-drifter: can you spot the reason why your fuse-group member cannot access that device? |
| 13:00.49 | sepult | it's in group but not in gshadow ? |
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| 13:01.07 | sepult | maybe ? |
| 13:01.11 | ae86-drifter | jelly-home, okay i am new to debian, i used ubuntu, and it worked fine, i really cant open a security hole here what should i do, i need expert advice please |
| 13:01.12 | rooisto47 | Zharf: ok so I can't really help you and it's offtopic here, co to #debianLive at irc.oftc.net |
| 13:01.22 | rooisto47 | Zharf: :) |
| 13:01.24 | ae86-drifter | chown it? |
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| 13:01.57 | rooisto47 | Zharf: *go, sorry ;) |
| 13:01.59 | Zharf | I really couldn't care less about debian live but it seems like it's the only option for getting memtest86+... which seems retarded |
| 13:02.07 | jelly-home | ae86-drifter: your debian release does not set up permissions on the device properly, it needs to be chgrp fuse |
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| 13:03.22 | jelly-home | ae86-drifter: it's probably a bug in either udev or fuse-utils package. |
| 13:03.41 | ae86-drifter | jelly-home, my permissions now read: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Jan 31 23:20 /dev/fuse, i am a member of fuse, however i get the same error |
| 13:04.01 | jelly-home | ae86-drifter: what does "id -a" command say? |
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| 13:04.16 | Zharf | rooisto47, no such channel |
| 13:04.27 | Zharf | rooisto47, #debian-live apparently |
| 13:04.29 | ae86-drifter | uid=1000(nathan) gid=1000(nathan) groups=1000(nathan),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),110(netdev) |
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| 13:05.10 | jelly-home | ae86-drifter: your current session processes don't have the fuse group. Log out, log in again. |
| 13:05.13 | rooisto47 | Zharf: not in freenode, irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:05.15 | ae86-drifter | jelly-home, OH, i need to logout an login after adding my user to the group right? maybe thats it? |
| 13:05.21 | Zharf | rooisto47, I know duh |
| 13:05.23 | ae86-drifter | jelly-home, u beat me to it |
| 13:05.30 | ae86-drifter | thanks brb |
| 13:05.42 | rooisto47 | Zharf: I'm already connected there |
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| 13:06.09 | Zharf | rooisto47, if you look at the channel name, it's called #debian-live, not #debianlive |
| 13:06.24 | rooisto47 | well ya |
| 13:06.43 | rooisto47 | you're right shame on me |
| 13:06.57 | rooisto47 | :p |
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| 13:07.42 | rooisto47 | I set a locale name to the channel, that's why |
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| 13:07.58 | ae86-drifter | jelly-home, that works fine now, thanks so much |
| 13:08.09 | smhar | greetings |
| 13:08.30 | ae86-drifter | greetings earthling |
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| 13:09.00 | smhar | I have a problem with my wireless controller. After upgrading to the latest kernel -squeeze- I can not connect , not even see any wireless interface, although it is working in windows |
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| 13:09.38 | smhar | I used to use the wl driver and I reinstalled it again, but iwlist scan does not show any wireless interface |
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| 13:11.38 | buckfast | I connected my usb wifi device with rtl8187b chipset in. lsusb lists the device, however iwconfig doesnt. Debian wiki told me to install backported kernel. I need guidance |
| 13:12.01 | Adrebian | hi, my boot hangs at 'Loading initial ramdisk...' (initrd) I have chrooted in my installation from a livecd, reinstalled the kernel, but the problem still occurs.. any suggestions? |
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| 13:13.24 | abrotman | buckfast: did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
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| 13:15.05 | buckfast | abrotman: I did. what 'package' do i need to install to upgrade the kernel? there are so many |
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| 13:15.23 | abrotman | buckfast: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 |
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| 13:18.26 | smhar | does the new 2.6.32-trunk-686 #1 have problems with wifi? |
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| 13:20.15 | Debian-user | Hello world |
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| 13:20.41 | abrotman | smhar: which wifi ? |
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| 13:23.12 | smhar | abrotman,I do not know. it is an intel processor dell notebook. I was using the wl driver successfully with it before |
| 13:23.33 | smhar | abrotman, lsmod |grep wl shows it is loaded |
| 13:23.36 | abrotman | smhar: so the driver no longer works, or isn't there at al l? |
| 13:23.53 | abrotman | smhar: my netbook uses that driver .. it was working fine IIRC |
| 13:24.07 | abrotman | should i turn it on a double check ? |
| 13:24.20 | jelly-home | only if you r uname -r matches, abrotman |
| 13:24.34 | abrotman | uhm .. it would |
| 13:24.40 | smhar | abrotman, it was working before the last system update. now iwlist scan does not show other than lo and eth0 |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | i think more important would be the lspci -nn ? |
| 13:24.55 | smhar | abrotman, I booted in windows and it is working |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | smhar: did you compile the driver before ? |
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| 13:25.36 | abrotman | smhar: do you have it plugged into the internet via the wire ? |
| 13:25.38 | reber | I have problems with usb to parallel adapter. It seems that the printer get data, but doesn't print. Ideas ? |
| 13:25.43 | smhar | abrotman, I always follow the wl driver page from the debian wireless wiki |
| 13:26.08 | abrotman | smhar: plugged in or not? |
| 13:26.48 | smhar | abrotman, you mean the notebook, no. I temporary connected using a gsm to get a solution |
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| 13:27.14 | abrotman | smhar: do you hvae non-free sources enabled ? |
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| 13:27.50 | stuckey_ | I'm trying to play a dvd with mplayer and vlc but I'm getting erros about not being able to decrypt it. |
| 13:27.51 | smhar | abrotman, yes |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | smhar: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i broadcom-sta |
| 13:28.29 | buckfast | abrotman: is that all thats necessary to install the 2.6.30 kernel? no separate dependencies like headers or such? |
| 13:28.42 | abrotman | buckfast: the headers aren't requirecd to run the kernel |
| 13:28.59 | abrotman | buckfast: but it should install something like linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 from backports.org also |
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| 13:29.22 | kompulsive | morning ladies. |
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| 13:29.46 | buckfast | abrotman: I hope it doesn't mess up my system |
| 13:29.53 | abrotman | yeah .. me too |
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| 13:30.03 | abrotman | though your old kernel should still be installed, and you should be able to boot that |
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| 13:30.50 | smhar | abrotman, both 'already exists, not rebuilding!' |
| 13:31.15 | abrotman | smhar: that's all i did to get my wl device working .. read through 'dmesg' to see if there are any errors |
| 13:31.33 | buckfast | abrotman: i don't know what i'm doing so i'm hoping you do ;) |
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| 13:31.59 | abrotman | buckfast: i've been told i'm crazy! |
| 13:32.03 | buckfast | :/Ä |
| 13:32.37 | smhar | abrotman, me too, before |
| 13:32.42 | abrotman | buckfast: what you're doing is pretty simple IMO .. whether or not it messes up something else i couldn't possibly know, i have no idea what the rest of your hardware is |
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| 13:32.48 | abrotman | smhar: so start reading 'dmesg' |
| 13:33.10 | buckfast | abrotman: Install finished, time to restart |
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| 13:33.27 | abrotman | he's awfully trusting .. BWHAHAHAH |
| 13:33.29 | GreenDance | Hi |
| 13:33.34 | abrotman | Hello! |
| 13:34.15 | stuckey_ | What do I need to install to be able to watch dvds? |
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| 13:34.21 | GreenDance | the passwd command, can the password be included on the same line? |
| 13:34.29 | stuckey_ | I did libdvdccs2 but now the video doesn't even open. Before I installed that the video would play partly. |
| 13:34.59 | abrotman | GreenDance: man passwd ? |
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| 13:36.44 | GreenDance | abrotman, man command not found? |
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| 13:37.03 | abrotman | GreenDance: which version of linux is htis ? |
| 13:37.20 | GreenDance | ubuntu 9.10 |
| 13:37.25 | abrotman | GreenDance: then ask #ubuntu |
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| 13:39.32 | jelly-home | man passwd _could_ say SEE ALSO chpasswd |
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| 13:46.00 | buckfast | abrotman: not working |
| 13:46.29 | abrotman | buckfast: the kernle isn't or your wifi isn't ? |
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| 13:46.47 | buckfast | it boots but when the x server starts and graphical environment appears, it shows some bad graphics and pretty much hangs |
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| 13:46.59 | buckfast | managed to boot with old kernel |
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| 13:47.09 | abrotman | buckfast: lspci | grep VGA |
| 13:47.14 | Malmis | hmm whats happened with motion...? crashes all the time.. getting [ 136.974312] motion[6421]: segfault at b51ca000 ip 08056e08 sp b61c9f24 error 4 in motion[8048000+31000] |
| 13:47.34 | buckfast | abrotman: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS |
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| 13:48.03 | abrotman | that's a pretty old card .. that should work i'd imagine |
| 13:48.13 | abrotman | buckfast: this is a laptop ? |
| 13:48.16 | stuckey | I want to use two packages out of dmm, but I want everything to stay normal - how can I do this? |
| 13:48.25 | stuckey | I don't want dmm packages to be favoured above normal ones. |
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| 13:48.41 | buckfast | abrotman: I had problems with this card with current kernel aswell, 3d acceleration wasnt working but I installed 'something' and the problem solved |
| 13:48.46 | streuner | stuckey: just install them |
| 13:48.56 | buckfast | abrotman: desktop pc |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | buckfast: can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a pastebin ? |
| 13:49.04 | streuner | stuckey: visit the website and add sources to your sources.list |
| 13:49.14 | buckfast | abrotman: sure |
| 13:49.15 | stuckey | streuner: yeah but then mplayer might get upgraded to the version in dmm... |
| 13:49.18 | stuckey | that's a problem |
| 13:49.50 | streuner | why? |
| 13:49.55 | stuckey | because that's not what I want |
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| 13:50.54 | cahoot | stuckey: you got told about pinning yesterday - that doesn't solve the problem? |
| 13:51.06 | stuckey | cahoot: i don't understand how it works |
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| 13:51.20 | buckfast | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d2d06904c |
| 13:51.25 | stuckey | cahoot: can you give me an example? |
| 13:51.33 | streuner | stuckey: well, you make an URL low or high priority... |
| 13:52.02 | stuckey | I understand the concept, but I don't know how to implement it. |
| 13:52.14 | abrotman | buckfast: so it boots and X goes ugly and hangs ? |
| 13:52.16 | streuner | stuckey: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | streuner: he still won't understand .. |
| 13:52.49 | abrotman | themill: pal streuner |
| 13:52.54 | buckfast | abrotman: yes, shows a bit of the desktop background with some noise on it. doesnt respond to ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 13:53.12 | stuckey | so I need a line like ###debian-multimedia###### |
| 13:53.17 | abrotman | buckfast: noise like total garbage .. or a cross-hatch ? |
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| 13:53.41 | buckfast | abrotman: crosshatch |
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| 13:54.05 | streuner | stuckey: but again, whats wrong about the package mplayer in dmm? |
| 13:54.08 | abrotman | buckfast: oh, and it used to work and now fails ? the crosshatch usually happens if you have no DM or WM isntalled |
| 13:54.19 | stuckey | streuner: nothing, that I know of. |
| 13:54.31 | streuner | stuckey: so why not just use it then? |
| 13:54.43 | buckfast | abrotman: It still works with the lenny stable kernel |
| 13:54.53 | buckfast | abrotman: It just doesnt work with the backported kernel |
| 13:55.29 | stuckey | streuner: i don't want to |
| 13:55.48 | abrotman | streuner: let him go read the documentation .. he should be able to read and understand it .. let him learn something |
| 13:55.59 | abrotman | buckfast: you're using GDM ? |
| 13:56.07 | buckfast | abrotman: yes, |
| 13:56.14 | stuckey | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
| 13:56.19 | stuckey | well... doesn't work |
| 13:56.26 | stuckey | Looks like someone left something out in that wiki |
| 13:56.30 | abrotman | because as usual .. you didn't read it |
| 13:56.50 | abrotman | buckfast: does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log show anything useful (when you boot the broken kernel) |
| 13:57.16 | smhar | abrotman, there are many errors in my kernel log. here it is: http://pastebin.com/d5ff7d88d . btw I tried booting the old kernel and wifi still is not working. I do not know what happened?? |
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| 13:57.54 | abrotman | smhar: nothing there ? |
| 13:58.26 | buckfast | abrotman: hard to say, there are no timestamps in the log |
| 13:58.30 | smhar | oops, I was too quick, file too big, trying to find another pastebin service |
| 13:58.35 | stuckey | Was I supposed to use apt pin in this case or target release? |
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| 13:58.49 | abrotman | buckfast: and the ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work ? |
| 13:59.05 | buckfast | nope |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | buckfast: maybe try to disable gdm and use startx manually |
| 13:59.24 | abrotman | smhar: paste.debian.net |
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| 14:00.56 | stuckey | Does anyone here know how I can do this? |
| 14:00.56 | buckfast | abrotman: how |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | stuckey: you've been told numerous times |
| 14:01.24 | niko | :12 |
| 14:01.26 | stuckey | abrotman: oh, sorry, I must have missed it |
| 14:01.35 | abrotman | buckfast: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/T99gdm .. boot the new kernel .. login as youreslf .. use startx |
| 14:01.41 | stuckey | What was I to do? |
| 14:01.43 | abrotman | stuckey: you've been given the URL about five times |
| 14:01.53 | stuckey | the wiki? |
| 14:02.04 | stuckey | 14:44 < stuckey> well... doesn't work |
| 14:02.04 | stuckey | 14:44 < stuckey> Looks like someone left something out in that wiki |
| 14:02.14 | smhar | abrotman, Length of code is not allowed to exceed 70kb |
| 14:02.15 | stuckey | It didn't work. |
| 14:02.21 | stuckey | 14:44 < stuckey> E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
| 14:02.24 | stuckey | I got that error |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | stuckey: no, it does work *thousands* of people have used it successfully .. it something YOU have left out |
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| 14:02.36 | abrotman | smhar: it has a spot to upload a file |
| 14:02.39 | stuckey | abrotman: I've read the wiki twice. |
| 14:02.45 | stuckey | abrotman: I find it unlikely that I have missed something. |
| 14:02.49 | abrotman | i don't |
| 14:03.04 | stuckey | abrotman: Perhaps you would be kind and point me to what you think it is that I have missed. |
| 14:03.34 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 14:04.28 | znull | hello, can I upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0? it's that safe? |
| 14:04.36 | smhar | abrotman, it is 1.3mb, I will try to grep it |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | znull: yes, lots of people do it |
| 14:04.47 | stuckey | abrotman: 14:51 < stuckey> abrotman: I've read the wiki twice. |
| 14:04.51 | abrotman | !tell znull about etch->lenny |
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| 14:04.56 | streuner | znull: release notes are importent |
| 14:05.08 | abrotman | stuckey: and i told you .. lots of people have used that successfully .. it's something oyu've done wrong .. read it again |
| 14:05.11 | stuckey | abrotman: Did you miss that? |
| 14:05.18 | smhar | abrotman, this is /var/log/kern.log |grep wl |
| 14:05.33 | abrotman | stuckey: nope |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | smhar: dmesg | grep wl |
| 14:06.19 | smhar | abrotman, here it is http://paste.debian.net/58198/ |
| 14:06.26 | znull | abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/1773071 |
| 14:06.27 | stuckey | Hello. I'm trying to use debian-multimedia for a few packages, but I don't want it to upgrade/mess with anything else on the system. I followed the wiki but I seem to be getting an error - E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
| 14:06.36 | stuckey | Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 14:06.49 | abrotman | raises his hand |
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| 14:07.05 | abrotman | znull: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 14:07.33 | abrotman | smhar: is that it? |
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| 14:08.27 | znull | abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/1773072 |
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| 14:08.59 | abrotman | znull: now, aptitude update |
| 14:09.03 | znull | ok |
| 14:09.04 | abrotman | znull: and read the release notes |
| 14:09.47 | znull | abrotman : http://pastie.org/802883 |
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| 14:10.42 | abrotman | znull: you didn't read the release notes |
| 14:10.47 | znull | abrotman : this is one is better : http://pastebin.ca/1773073 |
| 14:11.10 | buckfast | abrotman: good news is iwconfig now lists my wifi device, bad news is it still hangs with startx |
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| 14:11.30 | abrotman | znull: roughly .. change your sources to lenny, 'aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude dpkg && aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 14:11.55 | znull | abrotman : i did change them to lenny |
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| 14:13.47 | znull | upgrading.. |
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| 14:14.40 | manuel__ | i |
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| 14:15.26 | manuel__ | how can i get my keystrokes when i press the keys |
| 14:15.45 | manuel__ | i need something like a keylogger but it has not to save all inputs |
| 14:15.52 | manuel__ | in need only to grep for a few of it |
| 14:16.10 | petemc | xev |
| 14:16.16 | buckfast | abrotman: I guess some graphics drivers in the new kernel have changed |
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| 14:16.36 | abrotman | buckfast: you could possibly force it to use vesa |
| 14:16.57 | manuel__ | petemc, yes this would do ib but unfortunatelly it displays this x window i need console only |
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| 14:17.09 | yang | jelly-home: now, I am getting this error, if you have any further suggestion http://pastebin.ca/1773027 |
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| 14:20.40 | buckfast | abrotman: any error codes i could bring out somehow? |
| 14:20.56 | abrotman | buckfast: did you try with startx ? |
| 14:21.18 | buckfast | abrotman: yes |
| 14:21.30 | abrotman | buckfast: ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 14:21.48 | buckfast | abrotman: ctrl+alt+f1 didnt work, could only restart it with ctrl+alt+del |
| 14:23.22 | buckfast | abrotman: nothing interesting here |
| 14:23.29 | buckfast | *there |
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| 14:23.32 | abrotman | buckfast: i'd try the vesa driver |
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| 14:23.43 | buckfast | abrotman: how |
| 14:24.02 | abrotman | buckfast: X -configure .. use that xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. change the driver from radeon to vesa |
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| 14:25.20 | Debian-user | X -configure , is it the command to get /etc/xorg.conf ? |
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| 14:26.28 | jelly-home | yang: it seems pretty much fine except for localepurge |
| 14:27.32 | jelly-home | yang: it's possible that localepurge itself is buggy, I'd disable or uninstall it |
| 14:27.36 | smhar | abrotman, I did a new apt-get update upgrade session and wifi is working. I do not know how this happened! but thank you for your efforts |
| 14:27.51 | abrotman | yay |
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| 14:28.16 | buckfast | abrotman: theres no radeon, just "Configured Video Device" |
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| 14:28.41 | Debian-user | X -configure , is it the command to get /etc/xorg.conf ? |
| 14:28.54 | abrotman | buckfast: with the xorg.conf generated by X -configure ? |
| 14:28.58 | psycodad | hi, can somebody tell me the practical difference between update-initramfs -tu and just update-initramfs -u ? |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | !tell Debian-user about repeat |
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| 14:29.23 | Debian-user | debian testing |
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| 14:30.10 | kevin7kal | I've got a weird issue. I've configure network bonding on 3 GB network cards, but every time I try to bring up one of the interfaces I get some other host already uses address error |
| 14:30.24 | kevin7kal | that's 3 1GB cards |
| 14:30.39 | znull | abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/1773086 ( apache has changed... do you have lenny? can you paste me please /etc/apache2/ports.conf ) thanks |
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| 14:31.01 | buckfast | abrotman: is the xorg.conf file the only file X -configure edits? (I want to make backups) |
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| 14:31.22 | abrotman | buckfast: it doesn't edit that one .. it makes a new one |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | znull: why did you remove tha tfile ? |
| 14:32.01 | nvz | I need to see about possible alternative drivers for my damn video and wifi, I'm starting to get tired of this shit not working right |
| 14:32.09 | znull | abrotman : nevermind http://pastebin.ca/1773089 |
| 14:32.12 | znull | it's done |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | znull: http://paste.debian.net/58204/ |
| 14:32.40 | buckfast | abrotman: I remember i enabled direct rendering on this kernel, by installing some package, dont remember which though |
| 14:32.54 | znull | abrotman : aptitude was a bit slow..but it fixed apache2 |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | the framebuffer stuff ? |
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| 14:33.40 | AimHere | nvz, if you want someone to help you, you might try asking us for something. |
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| 14:34.18 | buckfast | abrotman: 3d acceleration stuff |
| 14:34.32 | znull | abrotman: 1 more thing (and I'm gone, what are the mirrors for multimedia) I want to install ffmpeg/mencoder / php-ffmpeg |
| 14:34.54 | kevin7kal | so - I used arping and identified the vendor of the card by it's mac address and it appears to be vst technologies |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | !tell znull about dmm |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | znull: see what the bot told you |
| 14:35.11 | abrotman | buckfast: not sure tha tmatters anymore |
| 14:35.35 | kevin7kal | the ethernet cards are broadcom, so I'm thinking it must be some part of the server management from dell |
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| 14:35.58 | nvz | AimHere: yeah.. well I'm not really sure where to begin or I would be able to do it. heh. I'm using the kernel ath5k for my AR242x and it is flaky, and using i915 for my i945GME and when I do anything gfx intensive or like now have the built in display disabled and using just external, it will randomly go black on me or otherwise stop working altogether until I reboot |
| 14:36.09 | buckfast | abrotman: I'll go try it then |
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| 14:36.28 | nvz | AimHere: I'm sure in the case of wifi anyhow there are other options.. not so sure about the gfx though |
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| 14:38.42 | nvz | AimHere: at this point I pretty much gotta wait for something to fuck up again cause I don't have any specifics on whats happening at the moment |
| 14:39.36 | AimHere | You might be able to use the windows ath5k driver via ndiswrapper if you have to |
| 14:40.00 | AimHere | Taints the kernel and isn't optimal, of course |
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| 14:40.35 | abrotman | nvz: uname -a |
| 14:41.04 | nvz | AimHere: yeah there are quite a few options for the wifi. there is ndiswrapper, I think madwifi supports it as does the compat-wireless |
| 14:41.17 | nvz | Linux aspire 2.6.32.2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Dec 19 17:06:48 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:41.30 | kevin7kal | ok, so here's a real question. is it possible to traceroute via arping ? |
| 14:41.34 | nvz | its the Acer AspireOne ZG5 european model |
| 14:41.36 | kevin7kal | arpping |
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| 14:42.07 | nvz | I've been trying to keep rolling the latest sources from kernel.org hoping to get better support eventually |
| 14:42.17 | znull | abrotman : last thing lol ( i got 8GB RAM what version of kernel do I need? (bigmem ) which one? ( x86 / Xeon ) |
| 14:42.26 | abrotman | znull: yes, -bigmem |
| 14:42.54 | nvz | pisses me off that the system doesnt seem to catch these fuckups automatically in archived logs.. I just looked through all my archived logs and nothing related to the wifi or video issues in them |
| 14:43.08 | nvz | so I pretty much gotta wait till it fucks up and make backups manually |
| 14:43.19 | znull | abrotman : linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem ? |
| 14:43.31 | abrotman | znull: aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 14:45.21 | nvz | if I start watching hulu right now it will fuck up eventually as I have the LVDS turned off and using an external 19" LCD.. which causes it to screw up eventually |
| 14:45.55 | nvz | though it behaves slightly differently when it fucks up with external display than if I'm on internal display and doing something 3d |
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| 14:46.52 | nvz | the external display/hulu problem makes the screen go black or red and I can recover it. When doing 3d stuff and it does it and starts spewing drm errors it has to be rebooted. no degree of reloading drivers or restarting X will get it to work again |
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| 14:50.09 | nvz | I also have a lot of ACPI type issues, like it blatently refusing to stop screen blanking no matter what I do.. and it does it randomly it seems I've timed it, it has no regular interval. The fact that even though the fans work, the kernel is completly unaware of them via lmsensors or acpi. And I think the wireless crapping out is somehow related to the acpi stuff.. for all I know the video could be too |
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| 14:50.43 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 14:50.48 | nvz | these netbooks are just a pita |
| 14:51.12 | dvs | nvz: tell me about it |
| 14:51.28 | nvz | dvs: heh, which one you got? |
| 14:51.40 | dvs | nvz: HP mini 1033cl |
| 14:52.13 | dury | I want to reconfigure my network device what's the command? is it dpkg-reconfigure "something" |
| 14:52.13 | nvz | ah.. I just worked on one of those recently.. really bad spyware.. wouldn't let you run anything, not even the taskmanager or static compiled binaries from a thumbdrive |
| 14:52.24 | nvz | dvs: I liked it though.. it had a much nicer keyboard than mine |
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| 14:52.40 | abrotman | dury: there isn't |
| 14:52.49 | dvs | nvz: Yes, the keyboard is nice but setting them up is a pain! |
| 14:53.09 | dury | abrotman: how is it then? |
| 14:53.09 | abrotman | dury: man interfaces |
| 14:53.17 | abrotman | dpkg: sing abrotman |
| 14:53.18 | nvz | dvs: yeah, so I've noticed. I was all happy when I got things working until I spent time with it and realized its not exactly working.. |
| 14:53.33 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 14:53.57 | flami | Hi Im running testing, and it would seem that in kde4 since the update i did a few days ago run command (alt-f2) doesn't work anymore. anyone else have that problem? |
| 14:53.59 | dvs | nvz: Yes, I know what you mean. |
| 14:54.12 | nvz | dvs: the funny part is, these AspireOnes come with linux.. mine was XP Home, but they have ones with linux on em.. so there must be a better way than what I got going on |
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| 14:54.28 | nvz | I'd like to find a copy of whatever f'n kernel and stuff they ship on the linux models |
| 14:54.51 | dvs | nvz: It depends what linux they put on them. ;-P |
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| 14:56.19 | nvz | dvs: they ship with Linpus Linux Lite |
| 14:56.24 | cgroza | today i installed debian, and i must say that installing compiz is a pain in the butt... a lot of unmet dependencies... i only folowed the tutorials |
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| 14:56.33 | dvs | nvz: huh?!? Never heard of it. |
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| 14:56.49 | nvz | dvs: its supposedly a Fedora 8 derivitave |
| 14:56.53 | cgroza | how did you installed compiz in debian? |
| 14:57.00 | dvs | nvz: Ick |
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| 14:57.58 | nvz | dvs: I'm just now reading on wikipedia that apparently ubuntu has a "Ubuntu Netbook Remix" distro |
| 14:57.59 | dury | abrotman: need to configure eth2 |
| 14:58.35 | dvs | nvz: That's nice. I still wouldn't use it though |
| 14:58.45 | dury | abrotman: I red that but not success |
| 14:58.59 | nvz | dvs: yeah I hate to even think of using anything other than debian |
| 14:59.14 | cgroza | ubuntu netbook remix is the same ubuntu but is made for smaller screens |
| 14:59.19 | dvs | nvz: I've tried switching but I keep coming back. |
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| 15:00.20 | nvz | dvs: My beliefs and priorities align perfectly with those of debian, and I've grown to like most of the developers and supporters on here over the last 10 years as a debian user. I'm just too familiar with it to be using anything else |
| 15:00.29 | cgroza | how do i install compiz-fusion in debian... i keep getting dependencies errrors |
| 15:01.04 | dvs | nvz: I guess that's my situation too. I just get lost trying to use any other distribution. |
| 15:01.32 | nvz | dvs: I was annoyed enough having to study Suse and shit just to get linux certified.. |
| 15:01.51 | cgroza | nobody know how to install compiz fusion in debian? LOL |
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| 15:02.19 | nvz | cgroza: I've never even heard of it, but if you could pastebin some of these errors you speak of we can probably help you out |
| 15:02.30 | dvs | nvz: Really? That's stupid! I guess they have to use one distro to create a certification. I guess it was a Novell certification, eh? |
| 15:02.42 | znull | abrotman : damm I just reboot it (and server is not coming up ) any ideea what could be wrong ? (kernel or something fail when upgrading ? init scripts (network/boot ) |
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| 15:03.00 | smhar | what is the best linux video convertor to convert from .mov to mp4 to use with N97 mobile? |
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| 15:03.12 | cgroza | nvz, well the errors are about dependencies... anybody can give me a sources.list? |
| 15:03.12 | nvz | dvs: na I'm CompTIA certified. but the 2004 cert I got was based around Suse. the 2009 beta they invited me to take for free seemed less distro-specific |
| 15:03.34 | project2501a | what's CompTIA? |
| 15:03.35 | dvs | nvz: as it should be less distro specific. |
| 15:03.43 | nvz | dvs: I just got my 2009 cert in the mail a few weeks ago |
| 15:03.49 | flami | allright it works again, all i had to do was to try and start krunner from the console a few times |
| 15:03.52 | project2501a | hey guys: can i stop gnome/metacity from maximizing the windows it opens, every time? it's annoying. |
| 15:03.58 | nvz | project2501a: never heard of the A+, Network+, Linux+..etc? |
| 15:04.08 | project2501a | nvz: no. |
| 15:04.20 | nvz | damn.. I thought everyone heard of CompTIA.. heh |
| 15:04.22 | project2501a | nvz: i think i've heard of the A+ |
| 15:04.33 | project2501a | that's like "computer education for retards" |
| 15:04.34 | dvs | nvz: I've heard of it... but that's about it. |
| 15:04.50 | oggei | hi |
| 15:04.54 | nvz | project2501a: CompTIA A+ is like a base requirement for about any technician position |
| 15:04.56 | dvs | project2501a: hence why managers require it. ;-P |
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| 15:05.26 | nvz | http://www.comptia.org/home.aspx |
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| 15:06.05 | project2501a | um i'm a sysadmin, and i don't have A+ |
| 15:06.08 | nvz | I just like the fact they are giving out plastic cards now instead of the little paper ones they gave before. My 2004 Linux+ card was just paper. My 2009 one is like a normal state ID card |
| 15:06.13 | project2501a | wait, i got a compsci degree :D |
| 15:06.19 | project2501a | is that any good? |
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| 15:06.28 | Tim-7967 | how do you install kernal modules on a debian vps? |
| 15:06.34 | cgroza | debian SUCKS |
| 15:06.35 | project2501a | (ok, i'll stop trolling) |
| 15:06.40 | jelly-home | Tim-7967: what kind of vps?\ |
| 15:06.45 | nvz | project2501a: that works too.. but I believe a B.S. in C.S. is just a BullShit degree in CommonSense just the same |
| 15:06.46 | asoar | how do i chroot to from a live cd |
| 15:06.57 | project2501a | cromag: thanks for telling us. i'll let your mom know you'll be late tonight. again. |
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| 15:07.07 | Tim-7967 | jelly-home: openvz debian vps |
| 15:07.30 | project2501a | hey guys: can i stop gnome/metacity from maximizing the windows it opens, every time? it's annoying. |
| 15:07.41 | asoar | how do i chroot to from a live cd |
| 15:07.43 | jelly-home | Tim-7967: that's an easy question then - you can't, the kernel is shared between all the vpses |
| 15:08.01 | nvz | project2501a: have you tried unmaximizing it, closing the app, and reopening it to see if it remembers the position? |
| 15:08.05 | Tim-7967 | ah... so its something that needs to be configured by the person who is administering openvz... |
| 15:08.07 | jelly-home | Tim-7967: ie you can do it only if you have control of the host |
| 15:08.09 | cgroza | IN DEBIAN IS SO HARD TO INSTALL COMPIZ>>>>>> UBUNTU ROCKS |
| 15:08.13 | project2501a | nvz: ofcourse. first thing i did. |
| 15:08.16 | nvz | project2501a: my window manager (sawfish) does that. |
| 15:08.17 | asoar | how do i chroot from a live cd |
| 15:08.17 | Tim-7967 | jelly-home: ok... thanks! |
| 15:08.22 | nvz | I can't stand megashitty |
| 15:08.29 | project2501a | cgroza: we don't need compiz |
| 15:08.34 | cgroza | why? |
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| 15:08.41 | jelly-home | project2501a: don't feed the troll |
| 15:08.55 | project2501a | jelly-home: just one more line, mate ;) |
| 15:08.58 | asoar | how do i chroot from a live cd |
| 15:09.03 | jelly-home | project2501a: nope, that's it! |
| 15:09.26 | nvz | cgroza: hah, that was a nice troll there. seriously though, if you could just pastebin your sources.list and the errors you are getting from your package manager we could probably help you out |
| 15:09.31 | flami | asoar : mount whatever you need, then chroot /mont/point /bin/bash |
| 15:09.37 | project2501a | jelly-home: aw, can't i just say "hey cgroza eat shit: http://www.flickr.com/photos/project2501a/4297802326/in/photostream/" |
| 15:09.41 | project2501a | ? |
| 15:09.50 | cgroza | nvz, where is the paste bin? |
| 15:10.02 | nvz | cgroza: paste.debian.net will work if you don't know of one |
| 15:10.07 | jelly-home | project2501a: no, you'd forget "and die" part |
| 15:10.18 | project2501a | jelly-home: my bad. ;) |
| 15:10.31 | cgroza | nvz , can you give me your sources.list? |
| 15:10.45 | Armageddon | anyone has any idea about a package the generates secure passwords ? |
| 15:10.59 | project2501a | mkpasswd ? |
| 15:11.05 | Armageddon | does it have a gui ? |
| 15:11.05 | jelly-home | Armageddon: pwgen? mkpasswd? |
| 15:11.12 | llutz | pwgen |
| 15:11.17 | project2501a | Armageddon: die. |
| 15:11.22 | Armageddon | I'm asking |
| 15:11.24 | nvz | cgroza: you're trying to go about this in the wrong way. My sources list is irrelevant because I'm not trying to do what you are doing, nor am I having the issues you are. |
| 15:11.29 | Armageddon | it will not affect me installing it or not |
| 15:11.35 | jelly-home | Armageddon: a gui for small bits of text output? |
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| 15:11.37 | llutz | Armageddon: you want to click a password? |
| 15:11.44 | project2501a | apparently |
| 15:11.44 | drbob_ | test |
| 15:11.56 | Armageddon | guys easy !! I was just asking ! |
| 15:12.02 | nvz | cgroza: the way this works is, you provide us with the errors you are having and the information we request, and we'll do our best to try resolve your issue |
| 15:12.05 | jelly-home | drbob_: it doesn't work |
| 15:12.05 | asoar | flami i tried this mount -t ext4 /media/disk-1 /tmp/temphome |
| 15:12.05 | asoar | mount: /media/disk-1 is not a block device |
| 15:12.11 | cgroza | nvz, i dont think is the sources.list ... i think that repo from the tutorial is outdated |
| 15:12.38 | nvz | cgroza: you think too much and listen too little |
| 15:13.20 | Armageddon | jelly-home, what's the difference between mkpasswd and pwgen |
| 15:13.21 | cgroza | nvz, ok... but you see... the problem is that i removed debian :D and i cant give you that source.list |
| 15:13.30 | drbob_ | jelly-home: proxy users were banned a long time here. |
| 15:14.10 | drbob_ | Is there a way to tell wget that it should use a proxy depending on where I am or on other predicates? |
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| 15:14.40 | nvz | cgroza: well if you don't have debian, then how are we suppose to help you get this working in debian? you make no sense. compiz fusion plugins are available in the official repos |
| 15:14.50 | drbob_ | That's something that annoys me with basically all network software. I have to specify in multiple places that I want to use a proxy or not on a per application basis. |
| 15:14.50 | jelly-home | drbob_: you could always use a local proxy, then reconfigure that based on whatever |
| 15:15.10 | drbob_ | jelly-home: how does that work? |
| 15:15.16 | cgroza | nvz, can you give me the official repos... i am thinking to intall it for a friend |
| 15:15.22 | cgroza | install** |
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| 15:15.27 | nvz | cgroza: you need to either get to the point of what you want so we can direct you to a proper place for help, or need to install debian, and co-operate with us, or you're gonna get silenced/kicked/banned |
| 15:15.44 | nvz | cgroza: the official repos are ftp.us.debian.org or whatever |
| 15:15.53 | nvz | cgroza: they are all listed on debian.org/mirrors |
| 15:15.54 | drbob_ | jelly-home: I mean, is there a package which is really meant to do that. |
| 15:15.58 | abrotman | znull: go look at the console |
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| 15:16.12 | cgroza | nvz, thank you :D |
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| 15:16.28 | jelly-home | drbob_: no, you'd reconfigure and restart your local proxy using self-developed hooks for, say, ifupdown or NetworkManager |
| 15:16.29 | cgroza | thats all i need:D |
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| 15:16.45 | nvz | cgroza: if you do apt-cache search compiz, you will see all the compiz and fusion related packages |
| 15:16.56 | nvz | they will install cleanly on stable |
| 15:17.08 | cgroza | nvz...then why it keeps telling me that cant resolve dependencies? |
| 15:17.13 | jelly-home | cgroza: get rid of the inverse psychology crap next time, you might get kbanned on short notice |
| 15:17.29 | drbob_ | jelly-home: are the hooks in NetworkManager documented somewhere? |
| 15:17.58 | jelly-home | drbob_: they probably are. I'm just giving a general idea, not a NM user here. |
| 15:18.09 | nvz | cgroza: I can't tell you that because you have already stated that you are not running a debian distro and won't show me any such errors. its likely that if you WERE running debian, you were using an unofficial repo which neither I nor the DDs can be responsible for |
| 15:18.28 | drbob_ | jelly-home: ok, thanks, I don't really need general ideas. |
| 15:18.40 | nvz | cgroza: install debian, learn to be more co-operative, and come back.. then we'll talk about it |
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| 15:21.51 | Debian-user | Hello, how to get /etc/xorg.conf ? i did Xorg -configure |
| 15:22.02 | Debian-user | but got messages |
| 15:22.05 | stuckey | Debian-user: it's X -configure |
| 15:22.06 | stuckey | as root |
| 15:22.15 | stuckey | when x isn't running |
| 15:22.36 | drbob_ | Maybe I am wrong, but AFAIK, you don't need an xorg.conf file, anymore, right? |
| 15:22.51 | jelly-home | drbob_: Debian-user _wants_ one |
| 15:23.13 | Debian-user | stuckey: It did it, but got messages |
| 15:23.21 | stuckey | Post them |
| 15:23.27 | Debian-user | stuckey: How would i be stop xserver |
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| 15:23.32 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 15:23.38 | stuckey | alt-f1 |
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| 15:23.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:23.53 | abrotman | that doesn't stop it |
| 15:23.56 | jelly-home | Debian-user: or run "X :1 -configure" if there's an X server running on :0 |
| 15:23.58 | stuckey | then depending on what manager you use, gdm stop |
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| 15:24.27 | Debian-user | jelly-home: What is 0 or 1 ? |
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| 15:25.15 | WE_Linker | he when i install the gdm ,reboot i can't use my mouse and keyboard |
| 15:25.42 | jelly-home | Debian-user: it's a "display" desgination of a running X server. X clients use it to connect to a particular X server. |
| 15:26.01 | WE_Linker | who can help me\ |
| 15:26.14 | jelly-home | Debian-user: typically the first started X server uses a DISPLAY value of :0 |
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| 15:26.36 | jelly-home | WE_Linker: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:27.00 | Debian-user | jelly-home: Got xorg.conf.new at /home/user , thanks |
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| 15:27.04 | peppino87 | hi |
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| 15:27.25 | peppino87 | hi Sibul |
| 15:27.44 | jelly-home | waits for !list |
| 15:27.57 | Sibul | hi there :) |
| 15:28.08 | stuckey | Do people still use irc for filesharing? |
| 15:28.16 | peppino87 | how are you Sibul? =) |
| 15:28.20 | stuckey | !list |
| 15:28.39 | Sibul | i'm fine peppino87, thanks for asking :) how about you? |
| 15:28.40 | dpkg | stuckey: VATTENE VIA |
| 15:29.06 | abrotman | WE_Linker: no need to msg me |
| 15:29.47 | abrotman | WE_Linker: what's up ? |
| 15:29.50 | peppino87 | i'm fine too =) |
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| 15:30.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: <WE_Linker> he when i install the gdm ,reboot i can't use my mouse and keyboard |
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| 15:30.34 | WE_Linker | jelly-home: yes,than you |
| 15:30.40 | abrotman | i meant why he msged me .. i thought it might be something else ... |
| 15:30.48 | jelly-home | he's just a newb |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | WE_Linker: how did you install xorg ? |
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| 15:31.27 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i used the command like this "apt-get install gdm" |
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| 15:32.02 | abrotman | WE_Linker: aptitude install xorg gdm |
| 15:32.27 | reber | I have problems with usb to parallel adapter. It seems that the printer get data, but doesn't print. Ideas ? |
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| 15:33.40 | WE_Linker | abrotman: can you tell me what's wrong with it |
| 15:33.42 | jelly-home | reber: did the adapter ever work before? Does it work with that printer in some other OS? |
| 15:34.08 | abrotman | WE_Linker: did you run that command ? |
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| 15:34.44 | WE_Linker | abrotman: yes ,and i have reboot system |
| 15:34.52 | reber | jelly-home, i just received the adapter (actually i have 2 different adapters). I have no other os but linux to test this adapter. |
| 15:34.58 | G69 | boa tarde! |
| 15:35.06 | smhar | I've read man page of ffmpeg and did not find how to do multiple files conversions, could someone enlighten me please |
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| 15:35.29 | WE_Linker | abrotman: but it also can't use keyboard and mouse |
| 15:35.29 | jelly-home | smhar: uh, use a for loop in shell? |
| 15:35.54 | abrotman | WE_Linker: at the console ? |
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| 15:36.16 | WE_Linker | abrotman: no ,in the login window |
| 15:36.30 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i can't input anything |
| 15:36.39 | abrotman | WE_Linker: so in the *console* type the command i gave you |
| 15:37.13 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i have done |
| 15:38.11 | peppino87 | are you planning to switch to rpm? |
| 15:39.01 | abrotman | peppino87: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 15:39.17 | peppino87 | yes it is a Debian question |
| 15:39.26 | abrotman | no, that's trolling |
| 15:40.17 | peppino87 | =( sorry i wasn't willing to insult anyone |
| 15:40.26 | nvz | peppino87: the debian package system is a direct alternative/competitor of RPM, its the core of the debian project. Its a stupid question |
| 15:40.56 | jelly-home | peppino87: use #debian-offtopic or #defocus for chat |
| 15:41.13 | WE_Linker | jelly-home: sorry but can you help me for that question |
| 15:41.25 | nvz | peppino87: we have a package called Alien for converting slackware .tgz or RedHat .rpm packages to debian ones if a user should need to install them into a debian packaging system |
| 15:41.26 | peppino87 | thank for your suggestion |
| 15:41.53 | peppino87 | i know, i'm a Debian user |
| 15:42.02 | abrotman | !it |
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| 15:42.11 | Shadowcat | dpkg: test |
| 15:42.15 | Shadowcat | ... broken |
| 15:42.20 | abrotman | he's slow .. don't abuse him |
| 15:42.23 | jelly-home | WE_Linker: please don't highlight people like that. If I had something to answer I would have. |
| 15:42.23 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:42.27 | Shadowcat | abuses abrotman |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 15:43.19 | nvz | peppino87: pretending to know better, only further supports the ops belief that you came in here to troll. I was just telling you in case you're just a little confused and were actually legitimately interested in such information |
| 15:43.25 | sepult | aaaaaahhhhaaahhhh i'm on hurd |
| 15:43.29 | sepult | urgh |
| 15:43.31 | sepult | partly |
| 15:43.38 | sepult | wth |
| 15:43.57 | WE_Linker | jelly-home: okey ,i saw it |
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| 15:50.04 | groton | is it possible to resize the current mounted / partition? Or should i resize it while another partition is actually mounted? |
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| 15:54.11 | dbuduru | I managed to find a script that will allow me to connect to the net using my aircard (EVDO), what I am not sure about is how to disconnect the aircard. I was wondering if someone can help me with this |
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| 15:55.42 | linduxed | if ive downloaded an .flv file that is of 720p resolution, and now i want to convert it with ffmpeg. the only thing im not sure of is what bitrate i should use |
| 15:56.05 | linduxed | any ideas what would be appropriate, or how i could find out? |
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| 15:57.12 | Amarande | okay, what's overriding me? |
| 15:57.22 | Amarande | I've always used a static IP address on this wired LAN |
| 15:57.35 | Amarande | and so, I set it in /etc/network/interfaces, on a basically fresh lenny install |
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| 15:57.59 | Amarande | however, the computer keeps instead settling for a dynamically provided IP via DHCP from the router |
| 15:58.12 | Amarande | what's ignoring /etc/network/interfaces and insisting on a DHCP dynamic address? |
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| 15:58.58 | Amarande | before lenny, I'd NEVER seen any of the default debian tools ignore the interfaces configuration file |
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| 15:59.25 | abrotman | Amarande: network-manager perhaps |
| 15:59.58 | Amarande | abrotman: gah, THAT'S how they dealt with network-manager's troubles with statics? |
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| 16:00.07 | Amarande | by making it flat out refuse to accept a static interface? lol |
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| 16:00.16 | abrotman | Amarande: i didn't say taht .. i said it might be a possibility |
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| 16:00.48 | Amarande | what I *do* know is as soon as I ifdown, before I get the chance to manually ifup, something on the GNOME bar is showing that a network address is being requested |
| 16:00.52 | Amarande | is that network-manager? |
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| 16:02.32 | yuastnav | Where is libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 normally located? |
| 16:02.44 | yuastnav | This file exists in /usr/lib on my machine but many applications claim that they do not find this file. |
| 16:03.45 | Amarande | (and why is Debian's default install configuration so allergic to static IP's anyway ... have I missed a memo that says that configuring network cards statically is now a deprecated practice? :D) |
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| 16:12.46 | lxsameer | is there any backport repo for firefox 64bit ? |
| 16:12.58 | znull | abrotma trying now.. calling ISP |
| 16:13.20 | thehurley | if i wanted to untar eclipse to a directory so that all users can use it, where's the best place? |
| 16:13.26 | thehurley | /opt/eclipse? |
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| 16:19.35 | Devastator | what's the correct please to put a executable script? /usr/bin /usr/sbin /bin /sbin? |
| 16:19.51 | evilgeek | depends on what it's for. |
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| 16:20.05 | evilgeek | google for linux filesystem hierarchy standard for more details. |
| 16:20.14 | Devastator | thanks! |
| 16:20.35 | Amarande | generally if it's not part of your distro, you're supposed to put it somewhere in /usr/local :) |
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| 16:21.09 | Amarande | regarding thehurley's question, too ... does anyone actually really use /opt anymore? :) |
| 16:21.21 | Amarande | it seems redundant, most of the sort of stuff you'd put in /opt seems like the kind of stuff that would go in /usr/local |
| 16:21.41 | thehurley | hi Amarande, the reason i suggested there was that when i checked it, two apps i installed using dpkg are there |
| 16:21.49 | thehurley | no other reason |
| 16:21.53 | Amarande | ah |
| 16:21.55 | Amarande | weird apps, then |
| 16:22.02 | Amarande | unless they're non-free stuff that insists on being there anyway |
| 16:22.03 | thehurley | adobe flash 10 and nessus |
| 16:22.12 | SauLus_ | How can I turn off ipv6 on a debian virtual server (2.6.18). I have no grub to tune and lsmod doesnt show anything. |
| 16:22.24 | thehurley | so you think non free stuff should live in /opt? |
| 16:22.32 | Devastator | SauLus_ sysctl.conf? |
| 16:22.41 | Amarande | no, I was suspecting that some non-free vendors would still use /opt |
| 16:22.48 | oggei | SauLus_: also, man gai.conf |
| 16:22.51 | Amarande | since it's used more often on non-Linux platforms and would thus be more familiar to them |
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| 16:23.36 | Devastator | evilgeek well, the script only do an "echo" to some file |
| 16:23.42 | thehurley | k, so you think the mode debian-ish place is /usr/local then? |
| 16:23.42 | Devastator | on /proc |
| 16:24.13 | jelly-home | Amarande: I likes /opt, having separate app dirs in /usr/local is unwieldy |
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| 16:24.41 | Amarande | also, technically, some commercial apps are probably restricted to a single user, even on multi-user architectures |
| 16:24.50 | SauLus_ | Devastator: afaik sysctl only enables forwarding and redirects and stuff. I need to disable IPv6 - else tomcat crashes |
| 16:24.51 | jelly-home | has /opt/firefox and /opt/google-earth and /opt/cxoffice |
| 16:24.57 | Amarande | in which case you probably should be installing them to the user's ~ :) |
| 16:25.18 | Devastator | SauLus_ ipv6 bind is on sysctl.conf |
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| 16:26.00 | Amarande | *sigh* I wish I didn't have to bother with dhcpd |
| 16:26.32 | Amarande | however, apparently the "proper" practice these days with static IPs on a LAN is that you should be running a DHCP server and having it handle MAC to IP matching :P |
| 16:26.59 | jelly-home | it's easier for the user in any case |
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| 16:28.32 | Amarande | btw, are debian's dhcp clients smart enough to find a DHCP server that's *on the debian box itself*? |
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| 16:30.19 | Amarande | "Package dhcpd is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 16:30.24 | Amarande | Okay, what's the correct package, then? |
| 16:30.40 | mentor | dpkg tell Amarande about search |
| 16:31.01 | mentor | !tell Amarande about search |
| 16:31.01 | Amarande | mentor: it could be a while :) |
| 16:31.08 | Amarande | apparently dpkg has been having some severe lag issues lately |
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| 16:31.35 | jelly-home | dpkg: you're slow |
| 16:31.55 | SauLus_ | Devastator: I dont get it. How shall the lile look like? sysctl: net.ipv6.bind=0 ? I want to completely disable ipv6 |
| 16:32.02 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 16:32.03 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:32.11 | jelly-home | !tell SauLus_ -about noipv6 |
| 16:32.17 | Amarande | apt-cache search dhcpd gives "I don't know, could you explain it?" |
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| 16:32.53 | jelly-home | Amarande: try apt-cache search dhcp server |
| 16:33.01 | mentor | works for me |
| 16:33.03 | Amarande | jelly: "are you using Windows?" |
| 16:33.14 | jelly-home | Amarande: in the SHELL |
| 16:33.19 | mentor | yes |
| 16:33.24 | mentor | Not to dpkg |
| 16:33.25 | Amarande | doh! |
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| 16:34.43 | asoar | Hi, i am having a little problem with my networking on debian squeeze here it is http://pastebin.com/da938111 |
| 16:36.05 | jelly-home | asoar: those modprobe warnings are not fatal and may be ignored if things work |
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| 16:36.27 | asoar | so what should i do then |
| 16:36.56 | asoar | i think two driver and conflicting each other just no netwo |
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| 16:37.01 | asoar | networking at all |
| 16:37.24 | mentor | What are the symptoms of your actual problem? |
| 16:37.55 | asoar | no networking at all for both eth0 and wifi |
| 16:38.16 | asoar | this is after ndiswrapper native windows drivers for both devices |
| 16:38.18 | mentor | Have you brought the interfaces up? |
| 16:38.21 | oggei | so, two different devices, two different drivers |
| 16:38.25 | mentor | Oh God. |
| 16:38.35 | oggei | let's pass to an upper iso/osi layer :P |
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| 16:38.55 | mentor | What's your hardware? |
| 16:39.32 | asoar | broadcom for eth and dell 1390 for wifi |
| 16:39.54 | jelly-home | asoar: can we see lspci -n for those? |
| 16:40.03 | asoar | i am on a livecd |
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| 16:40.04 | mentor | -nn |
| 16:40.10 | mentor | er? |
| 16:40.23 | Da_Wrecka | Another day, another fruitless effort to get this bugger working |
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| 16:41.02 | OldParr | how do i update a package to it's newest version with aptitude? |
| 16:41.13 | jelly-home | OldParr: aptitude install foo |
| 16:41.31 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.41 | jelly-home | OldParr: still the same |
| 16:41.54 | asoar | how do i chroot in from livecd |
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| 16:42.07 | jelly-home | asoar: you don't need to chroot to lspci |
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| 16:42.49 | jelly-home | asoar: I for one would like to see if that wired card has a native driver available |
| 16:43.28 | jelly-home | OldParr: don't install packages from newer releases of Debian than what you have installed, though |
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| 16:44.16 | Freelancer | hej |
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| 16:44.23 | Freelancer | how to add universe and multiverse to my sources.list ? |
| 16:44.30 | mentor | #ubuntu |
| 16:44.36 | jelly-home | Freelancer: try asking in #ubuntu channel |
| 16:45.28 | OldParr | jelly-home: i found it a little confusing if you launch the commnad "aptitude install foo" and the package foo is already installed, but, in an old version before you launched that command the system will not install it again on that old version , but, it will update foo to it's newest version? |
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| 16:45.54 | jelly-home | in an old version before you launched that command the system will not install it again on that old version # this is incorrect |
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| 16:46.26 | jelly-home | OldParr: aptitude install foo has always tried to install the newest available candidate version\ |
| 16:46.38 | asoar | jelly-home i have the native drivers |
| 16:46.38 | Chazz | Hi, I'm getting this http://paste.debian.net/58224/ when I try to do anything w/ apt-get other than looking at the help and apt-get moo. Any ideas on the cause/fix? |
| 16:46.44 | Freelancer | jelly-home > I'm on debian and I want to do it on command line, not with a *** GUI |
| 16:46.45 | jelly-home | OldParr: you can use apt-cache policy foo to see the candidates |
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| 16:47.03 | jelly-home | Freelancer: Debian doesn't have universe or multiverse. |
| 16:47.04 | OldParr | jelly-home: i found it a little confusing if you launch the command "aptitude install foo" and the package foo is already installed, but, in an old version the system will not install it again on that old version , but, it will update foo to it's newest version? |
| 16:47.16 | oggei | Freelancer: you don't want to add ubuntu repo |
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| 16:47.21 | jelly-home | OldParr: right |
| 16:47.22 | mentor | asoar: Use them? |
| 16:47.33 | OldParr | jelly-home: thanks |
| 16:47.39 | mentor | OldParr: Oooh, something's broken. Which release are you using? |
| 16:47.47 | Freelancer | oggei > Actually, I need to install ffmpeg on debian with the encoders. How to do this shit ? |
| 16:47.47 | asoar | i tried to use the native drivers thats how i got into this problem to begin with |
| 16:47.51 | mentor | er |
| 16:47.52 | mentor | Sorry |
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| 16:47.59 | mentor | Chazz: Oooh, something's broken. Which release are you using? |
| 16:48.01 | mentor | :) |
| 16:48.09 | Chazz | mentor, Lenny. |
| 16:48.14 | User116 | Hi! I'm having DNS trouble on my Debian Lenny. I can ping the IP of my DNS server, and its listed in /etc/resolv.conf, but when I try to nslookup an address, it just times out.. Any tips? =) |
| 16:48.15 | oggei | Freelancer: for sure being rude or use ubuntu repo will not help |
| 16:48.25 | jelly-home | asoar: typically a driver issue is better solver by upgrading the kernel instead of using ndiswrapper hacks |
| 16:48.25 | xsdg | !tell Freelancer about debian-multimedia |
| 16:48.27 | oggei | instead, try searching debian multimed amarillat |
| 16:48.32 | OldParr | mentor: i let my system to update everithing it needs without my intervention |
| 16:48.35 | oggei | sorry, multimedia marillat |
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| 16:48.49 | xsdg | waits for dpkg to kick into action... |
| 16:48.51 | fale | hi |
| 16:49.07 | Devastator | does anyone know why my R stays normal size with capslock? |
| 16:49.07 | asoar | jelly-home hmm...how on bbl |
| 16:49.09 | Devastator | just R |
| 16:49.13 | jelly-home | judd: versions ffmpeg |
| 16:49.14 | judd | ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-18 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-5 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-5 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20100115-0.0 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20100126-0.0 |
| 16:49.46 | jelly-home | asoar: sorry? |
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| 16:50.05 | Freelancer | oggei > I'm sorry but it's always so complicated to install a software... Why doesn't it work on apt-get install ? |
| 16:50.06 | mentor | OldParr: How much RAM does this system have? |
| 16:50.21 | xsdg | Freelancer: did you see your privmsg from dpkg? |
| 16:50.25 | User116 | In my resolv.conf, I have both the 'domain' and 'search' options, is that correct? Shouldn't just one of those be enough? |
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| 16:50.50 | xsdg | User116: depends on your situation |
| 16:50.51 | oggei | Freelander: provide details and someone maybe will help you understand |
| 16:51.06 | mentor | User116: Well, technically they do different things |
| 16:51.09 | oggei | (and no, debian isn't complicated at all for this sort of stuff) |
| 16:51.46 | Freelancer | xsdg > Yeah I'm on it, thanks |
| 16:51.58 | OldParr | mentor: 750 |
| 16:52.24 | mentor | OldParr: Is something eating all your memory, you can check with 'top' |
| 16:52.39 | xsdg | sighs |
| 16:52.43 | mentor | OldParr: std::bad_alloc usually occurs when the program cannot allocate memory |
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| 16:52.59 | xsdg | why is it so hard to get this thing to boot? :o( |
| 16:53.02 | Chazz | mentor, any ideas on a fix for the broken apt? =\ |
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| 16:53.10 | mentor | Sigh |
| 16:53.24 | mentor | Sorry, I'm getting confused here |
| 16:53.25 | Da_Wrecka | I really don't understand this. If the wireless NIC is present, the wired NIC can't get an IP address from DHCP, or ping the gateway when given a static IP. |
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| 16:53.34 | mentor | Chazz: How much RAM does this system have? |
| 16:53.34 | groton | i just created a partition as /dev/sda5, but the /dev/sda5 file is not existent. I have checked with cfdisk or fdisk, the partition is there, of type Linux. Any hint? |
| 16:53.36 | Da_Wrecka | Disconnect the wireless NIC, and the wired NIC can use DHCP no bother |
| 16:53.40 | mentor | Chazz: std::bad_alloc usually occurs when the program cannot allocate memory |
| 16:53.43 | OldParr | mentor i am looking at the out of top but (what is that?) |
| 16:54.03 | mentor | OldParr: Ignore what I've said to you, I was talking to the wrong person |
| 16:54.17 | OldParr | which of those columns is the memory used? |
| 16:54.24 | JPT | RES |
| 16:54.26 | mentor | %MEM |
| 16:54.28 | ravenbird | MEM is You must add the string: append="mem=xxxM" (where xxx = the amount of memory installed in megabytes) to /etc/lilo.conf in the LILO global section - this applies to 2.0.x AND 2.2.x kernels on machines with broken bioses |
| 16:54.33 | jelly-home | heh |
| 16:54.34 | Chazz | mentor, ah, it's got 262144 kB total, but as I've just noticed it's got 4328 kB free, which might be the problem! |
| 16:54.56 | xsdg | run-init seems to work from my rescue environment, but not from my initramfs. Any ideas why? (when I run it with no args from my rescue environment, I get usage instructions. From initramfs, it doesn't print anything) |
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| 16:55.10 | mentor | Chazz: Linux will use as much RAM as possible, for say disk caching, because free RAM is waster RAM |
| 16:55.10 | OldParr | pidgin is the most memory consuming activitity of my computer ........ |
| 16:55.11 | xsdg | alternately, does it have any documentation whatsoever other than the usage instructions? |
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| 16:55.35 | Chazz | mentor, oh |
| 16:55.58 | xsdg | Chazz: try running `free` with no arguments |
| 16:56.01 | Freelancer | xsdg, oggei > so now I have the new sources.list, updated. How to install ffmpeg with the encoders ? |
| 16:56.08 | mentor | Chazz: You want the -/+ buffers line to see how much memory is being used by programs. You can also use 'top' to get a %MEM usage. |
| 16:56.19 | mentor | OldParr: Sorry, I was talking to the wrong person.. |
| 16:56.24 | Freelancer | xsdg, oggei > cause apt-get install ffmpeg does not install a version with encoders |
| 16:57.02 | OldParr | mentor: very educative mistake ....thanks |
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| 16:57.17 | xsdg | Freelancer: if you install mencoder, it'll probably come with all of them, and ffmpeg will probably be able to use them |
| 16:57.22 | mentor | heh :) |
| 16:57.25 | Chazz | mentor, ok, output is http://paste.debian.net/58226/ |
| 16:57.32 | xsdg | doesn't do much encoding, though, so can't say for sure |
| 16:57.55 | mentor | Chazz: You have no swap |
| 16:57.59 | Freelancer | xsdg > ok, i'm trying this |
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| 16:58.10 | Chazz | oh |
| 16:58.16 | Chazz | mentor, that's bad, isn't it? |
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| 16:58.24 | mentor | Chazz: And all your memory is being used. This is why apt can't get any more memory |
| 16:58.35 | Chazz | Ah, ok. |
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| 16:58.46 | Chazz | *goes off to add more memory* |
| 16:58.59 | Da_Wrecka | It's not so bad to have 4MB RAM available, but when you have no swap then yes, you DO have a problem |
| 16:59.14 | Da_Wrecka | My old craptop has 4MB RAM free, but it's got half a gig of swap so it's not as much of an issue |
| 16:59.18 | mentor | Chazz: It's usually useful to have swap around even if you have loads of memory, because rarely used pages, such as the beginning/initialisation of programs, can be swapped out and more useful things like disk caching can be in RAM. |
| 16:59.22 | xsdg | Chazz: first, try `sudo swapon -a` |
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| 16:59.47 | Chazz | xsdg, what does that do? |
| 16:59.48 | jelly-home | sudo... is not a debian default |
| 16:59.53 | mentor | Chazz: But also, some program just appears to be using all your memory. |
| 16:59.58 | Chazz | Ah, ok. |
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| 17:00.02 | Chazz | blames apache |
| 17:00.12 | Freelancer | xsdg > Ok now I need to encode a .vob in .avi, I try this command : |
| 17:00.23 | Chazz | Yup. |
| 17:00.43 | Freelancer | xsdg > ffmpeg -i input.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg2video -b 800k -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec pcm -ab 128k output.avi |
| 17:00.47 | znull | abrotman : with bigmem Ethernet interfaces. didn't load ... so i see isp booted from kernel 2.6.18-6-686 (etch kernel ) so what's wrong any ideea ? |
| 17:01.04 | Freelancer | xsdg > but I got "Unknown encoder "pcm"". Do you have an idea ? |
| 17:01.24 | jelly-home | Chazz: if it's a home server, you can lower the number of apache children/workers, or use a lighter web server |
| 17:01.30 | Zyferus | wonders how many ppl actually operate as root instead of sudo'ing as they should |
| 17:01.40 | mentor | Indeed, one can configure Linux to only use as much memory as it has swap space, and then the RAM is entirely a cache for whatever is needed. This is useful for VMs, for example. |
| 17:01.43 | Chazz | jelly-home, know any decent light weight web servers? |
| 17:01.51 | jelly-home | Chazz: still, some swap will be useful on a machine like that |
| 17:02.02 | Chazz | Yeah, I'll have to add some to that. |
| 17:02.06 | xsdg | Freelancer: I don't, sorry. I don't really do any encoding other than ogg |
| 17:02.32 | jelly-home | Chazz: dunno... lighttpd has "light" in its name! |
| 17:02.38 | Freelancer | xsdg > ok... i'll see on chan ffmpeg. Thanks for your help ! oggei too ! |
| 17:02.59 | Chazz | lol, good point jelly-home! |
| 17:04.12 | xsdg | Freelancer: good luck |
| 17:05.19 | xsdg | Zyferus: what's the difference between `sudo` and `su` in the typical case? It seems like it's just that root has a different password and you have to type an extra command, but nothing more |
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| 17:05.52 | Da_Wrecka | My understanding is this; sudo lets you execute a program with elevated priveleges, without executing EVERY program with elevated priveleges |
| 17:05.58 | Freelancer | xsdg > actually, I want a video to put on streaming on my website. I have made a .vob from my .iso, and I suppose I need a .flv. With .ogg, would I be able to put the video on a flash player ? |
| 17:06.14 | Zyferus | It's just more of a risk to avoid a tiny bit of extra typing |
| 17:06.24 | xsdg | Freelancer: no; ogg is an audio-only format |
| 17:06.27 | groton | is it advisable to format the /home partition with a reiser4 filesystem? I am moving my home directory to a separate (and very large) partition |
| 17:06.42 | xsdg | "people use reiser4?" :o) |
| 17:06.47 | Freelancer | xsdg > arf... damnit ! :D |
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| 17:07.19 | xsdg | Freelancer: well, ogg-vorbis to be specific, but anyway, not what you're looking for |
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| 17:07.30 | xsdg | groton: and how large is very large? |
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| 17:07.51 | groton | xsdg, is it all relative, you know :P 100Gb |
| 17:07.54 | acidslep | my usb is weird |
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| 17:08.31 | xsdg | groton: yeah. Well, I use ext4 on my 2TB filesystem and it works well |
| 17:08.40 | acidslep | sometimes it puts highspeed devices on full speed. i know its something im doing but im not sure what it is. i fixed it twice before and i don't know what i changed. |
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| 17:09.00 | acidslep | is ext4 only good for huge FSs? |
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| 17:09.04 | groton | xsdg, ugh! I was thinking about ext3 vs reiser4, but now there is a new challenger: ext4! |
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| 17:09.28 | xsdg | groton: ext4 > ext2 |
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| 17:09.39 | xsdg | groton: where ext3 is basically ext2, but with a journal |
| 17:10.05 | xsdg | acidslep: why would that be the case? (that said, I believe the answer is "no") |
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| 17:11.22 | acidslep | you are right xsdg. I thought it just did some journaling stuff differently, but its pure improvement. |
| 17:11.27 | jelly-home | groton: ext3 is still the safest option... fsck of a 100GB ext3 takes about an hour, that's not too big for ext3 |
| 17:11.55 | jelly-home | groton: I'm letting ext4 cook for a year until I try it in production again |
| 17:12.06 | groton | and what about reiser4? Has any reason to exist? :) |
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| 17:12.28 | xsdg | jelly-home: I've been using ext4 for a year already with no issues |
| 17:12.33 | jelly-home | groton: how often do you check your backups? |
| 17:12.33 | Da_Wrecka | So what's the difference between ext4 and ext3? |
| 17:12.35 | DEbiansqueeze | is there anyway to go from 64 bit to 32bit without a reinstall? |
| 17:12.44 | xsdg | Da_Wrecka: google knows |
| 17:12.48 | Da_Wrecka | good point |
| 17:12.56 | groton | jehan, i do a full backup with rsync once a month |
| 17:12.58 | xsdg | (and it's hard to summarize) |
| 17:13.09 | jelly-home | xsdg: we've found at least 2-3 metadata corrupting bugs |
| 17:13.23 | acidslep | it removes limits, and generally improves |
| 17:13.38 | jelly-home | xsdg: the last one wasn't easily debuggable, so... see you later ext4 |
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| 17:13.51 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: no |
| 17:14.13 | jelly-home | DEbiansqueeze: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" may help in that endeavor |
| 17:14.16 | xsdg | jelly-home: sounds like fun. Are there better options? |
| 17:14.34 | jelly-home | xsdg: yes, ext3 still works well |
| 17:14.46 | xsdg | jelly-home: not for a 2TB partition, it doesn't :o) |
| 17:15.02 | DEbiansqueeze | thanks |
| 17:15.34 | jelly-home | xsdg: I'm cutting my partitions to max. 250GB and/or hoping they don't really need a fsck |
| 17:15.56 | jelly-home | xsdg: it'd be easier to reformat and restore from backups when they're that large |
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| 17:17.26 | jelly-home | groton: well.. reiser4 doesn't have a proper fsck. If you can live with a restore when it goes bad, you could use it |
| 17:17.28 | xsdg | jelly-home: yes, but multiple partitions also get unwieldy to manage for the stuff I need them for (in particular, photo storage) |
| 17:17.42 | groton | jelly-home, ok, i go for ext3 then, thanks :) |
| 17:18.09 | xsdg | anyway, not sure this discussion is going to go anywhere :o) |
| 17:18.20 | jelly-home | xsdg: if it's storage, you won't mind to wait a bit for that fsck |
| 17:18.48 | jelly-home | ext4 fsck is _great_ |
| 17:18.54 | jelly-home | (well, impressively fast) |
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| 17:19.11 | xsdg | jelly-home: well, this is on my main workstation (among other things, I'm a photographer) |
| 17:19.50 | jelly-home | xsdg: you're probably not likely to stumble onto the kind of bugs a busy mail server can trigger |
| 17:19.51 | xsdg | jelly-home: how about a real question, though: when I run run-init from my normal environment, it prints out usage info. When I chroot into my initramfs and run it, it doesn't appear to do anything |
| 17:20.22 | jelly-home | clueless about run-init, sorry |
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| 17:20.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | There any reason that alien arena wont finish starting up? Tried running from terminal and last message before closing is "Received signal 11, exiting...". Anyone know whats wrong? Is it not stable? |
| 17:20.37 | xsdg | k :o/ |
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| 17:20.42 | jelly-home | are you sure the initramfs environment uses the same binary? |
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| 17:21.15 | xsdg | jelly-home: yup. I'm about to stick strace into the initramfs environment; this is getting insane |
| 17:21.47 | jelly-home | !debug initramfs |
| 17:22.06 | jelly-home | ... |
| 17:22.09 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: Signal 11, a.k.a. SIGSEGV, is a segmentation violation. Which means that the program attempted to access memory outside its address space and was bitchslapped by the kernel. Its usually a result of poor programming, yes |
| 17:22.18 | jelly-home | be there any second... |
| 17:22.23 | xsdg | jelly-home: dpkg is running on 1.5 cylinders these days :o) |
| 17:22.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: Ahh right on! Thank you. |
| 17:22.37 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: it didn't finish starting up, because it was killed. SIGSEGV is immediate termination, no questions asked |
| 17:22.39 | jelly-home | apt: debug initramfs |
| 17:22.47 | jelly-home | ravenbird: debug initramfs |
| 17:22.48 | ravenbird | jelly-home: are you using Windows? |
| 17:22.58 | xsdg | haha |
| 17:22.58 | jelly-home | ravenbird: get a db! |
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| 17:23.37 | xsdg | jelly-home: anyway, the frustrating thing is that everything in the initramfs is working properly; root gets mounted and everything |
| 17:23.47 | jelly-home | and http://dpkg.vireo.org/ isn't feeling well either |
| 17:23.49 | xsdg | jelly-home: I just have no working way to pass off to the real init :o( |
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| 17:25.19 | jelly-home | does strings /usr/lib/klibc/bin/run-init to see what the thing is all about |
| 17:26.37 | jelly-home | xsdg: I suppose you've already tried upgrading or downgrading klibc-utils or related packages to see what happens :-) |
| 17:26.54 | xsdg | jelly-home: this is initial machine setup, so no |
| 17:27.05 | xsdg | jelly-home: exits with 127 |
| 17:27.08 | xsdg | hmm |
| 17:27.20 | DEbiansqueeze | well guys going to make the change from 64 to 32 bit ill see you when im done |
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| 17:27.33 | xsdg | jelly-home: and in the normal environment, it exits with 1 (because I pass no args) |
| 17:27.34 | Da_Wrecka | Why from 64-bit to 32-bit? |
| 17:27.53 | jelly-home | xsdg: no obvious reported bugs in klibc-utils or nearby? |
| 17:27.57 | Da_Wrecka | Surely if you have a 64-bit processor then a 64-bit kernel is a better choice? |
| 17:28.04 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: not surely |
| 17:28.13 | xsdg | checks |
| 17:28.39 | jelly-home | Da_Wrecka: actually the kernel isn't that important, the userspace is what makes things troublesome |
| 17:29.21 | jelly-home | eg. 64-bit perl eats twice the RAM for hashes |
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| 17:30.15 | xsdg | jelly-home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476268 looks interesting |
| 17:30.48 | xsdg | jelly-home: oh, but it's old; hmm |
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| 17:31.50 | jelly-home | but unfixed |
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| 17:33.33 | xsdg | jelly-home: it's something with klibc and my initramfs environment; even sleep is broken |
| 17:33.36 | xsdg | sighs |
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| 17:34.07 | xsdg | puts on his snorkel and goes source-diving |
| 17:34.40 | jelly-home | !debug-initramfs |
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| 17:35.12 | jelly-home | it won't show anything useful at this point... still, work, dammit, work |
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| 17:35.15 | acidslep | watches excitedly from the crowded end-user raft. |
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| 17:37.18 | jelly-home | http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 17:37.22 | jelly-home | mah |
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| 17:37.50 | xsdg | looks |
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| 17:38.37 | jelly-home | I s'pose you could see if any of #debian-kernel or #debian-boot folks are awake (both on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 17:39.11 | xsdg | jelly-home: will look; might also try kernelnewbies |
| 17:39.24 | jelly-home | I bet it will be something stupid |
| 17:39.33 | xsdg | haha, yeah |
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| 17:46.51 | jelly-home | dpkg: who owns you |
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| 17:47.24 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 17:47.50 | xsdg | jelly-home: good god. klibc tools apparently make use of /lib/klibc-(...).so somehow, even though they claim to be statically-compiled and strace doesn't show any opens or anything |
| 17:51.17 | jelly-home | xsdg: er, do you have a static or klibc-linked strace to make it work in initramfs? |
| 17:51.31 | jelly-home | syscalls are syscalls, no matter the libc used |
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| 17:51.44 | Smerdyakov | Is it possible to create two different chroot jails, where some directory appears in both, but some other directory appears only in one? |
| 17:52.04 | jelly-home | Smerdyakov: with bind mounts, you can do anything! |
| 17:52.55 | Smerdyakov | jelly-home, looks promising. I'll read up on it. Thanks! |
| 17:53.03 | jelly-home | bind mounts are like hardlinks for directories, except that they work. Praise be to bind mounts |
| 17:53.40 | xsdg | jelly-home: oh, no, I'm in my normal environment. I run `strace bin/ksleep 2` and it shows execve(bin/ksleep); nanosleep(2,0); _exit(0) |
| 17:54.01 | jelly-home | so it works |
| 17:54.07 | xsdg | jelly-home: ldd says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 17:54.24 | jelly-home | xsdg: that's glibc's ldd, what do you expect? |
| 17:55.12 | jelly-home | it's stupid |
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| 17:55.41 | xsdg | jelly-home: well, I can understand that. What I still don't get is how it loads the klibc-foo.so without doing an open() |
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| 17:56.12 | xsdg | jelly-home: I mean, if I open ksleep, you can see "/lib/klibc-foo.so" clear as day (wish I'd have done that earlier) |
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| 17:56.48 | xsdg | jelly-home: but I don't see how it gets to it behind strace's back |
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| 17:57.12 | jelly-home | it's opened in execve(). Kernel sees an ELF file, reads the dynamic linker that needs to be used and uses it |
| 17:57.19 | chomwitt | i try debootstrap creating a /mnt/squeeze system. i dont get it whats the diff between mounting proc from within chroot and from host system |
| 17:57.34 | xsdg | jelly-home: *sigh* |
| 17:57.37 | xsdg | chomwitt: they're different mountpoints |
| 17:57.40 | jelly-home | or something like that |
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| 17:58.02 | xsdg | jelly-home: ok, well, anyway, we'll see if this sucker boots now |
| 17:58.12 | xsdg | jelly-home: thanks for the insight and for entertaining my various whining :o) |
| 17:58.13 | chomwitt | xsdg: in the command line you mean only or there is difference in the results? |
| 17:58.40 | xsdg | chomwitt: no, think of it this way |
| 17:58.52 | xsdg | chomwitt: from your install system, /proc and /mnt/squeeze/proc exist |
| 17:59.03 | xsdg | chomwitt: your install system mounts procfs on /proc when it boots |
| 17:59.16 | xsdg | chomwitt: but when you chroot to /mnt/squeeze, the root is now /mnt/squeeze |
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| 17:59.40 | xsdg | chomwitt: so it can't see outside of that directory. So you have to mount proc at /mnt/squeeze/proc for it to be accessible from within the chroot |
| 17:59.52 | chomwitt | ...parsing xsdg tips... |
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| 18:00.03 | Da_Wrecka | Well, I suppose I can take solace in the knowledge that I could PROBABLY put Debian on my Dell laptop and it would work with a minimum of hassle... |
| 18:00.22 | Da_Wrecka | Seeing as that one doesn't use Wifi at all, just the built-in Ethernet controller |
| 18:00.36 | xsdg | chomwitt: another way to think about it: you've got a big room and a small room, with a one-way window in between |
| 18:01.19 | xsdg | chomwitt: the one-way window allows you to see the inside from the outside, but not the opposite |
| 18:01.37 | xsdg | chomwitt: so if you turn on the procfs lightbulb in the inner room, you can see it from the outer room as well |
| 18:01.52 | xsdg | chomwitt: but if you only turn on the procfs lightbulb outside, the inner room is still dark |
| 18:02.05 | chomwitt | xsdg: cool analogy!! |
| 18:02.08 | xsdg | chomwitt: chroot is the equivalent of walking into the inner room and closing the door |
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| 18:02.15 | jez9999 | Hi all |
| 18:02.25 | xsdg | chomwitt: glad you liked it :o) |
| 18:02.28 | jez9999 | Trying to install debian via the internet booting from a USB stick |
| 18:02.33 | jez9999 | i take it i need to download from here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/gtk/ |
| 18:02.49 | xsdg | jelly-home: did you read the install instructions? |
| 18:02.49 | jez9999 | do i need netboot.tar.gz or pxelinux.0, and what do they do? |
| 18:03.37 | xsdg | jez9999: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-usb |
| 18:04.37 | jez9999 | oh |
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| 18:04.54 | jez9999 | can you not boot a minimal image and then grab debian over the internet then? |
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| 18:05.01 | jez9999 | it has to be on another of your network sites? |
| 18:05.24 | xsdg | jez9999: you can boot a minimal image for a netinstall |
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| 18:06.09 | karl | hi, using debian lenny, when i click a picture in a folder with 24.000 pictures in konqueror to display it in gwenview the hdd starts thrashing and it takes about 5 min to open the image |
| 18:06.38 | jez9999 | xsdg: netinstall, but is that over the internet |
| 18:06.44 | jez9999 | ie. can it grab debian from a public mirror |
| 18:06.45 | karl | anything i can do about this ? its not the cpu, no thread above 5% in top |
| 18:06.54 | jez9999 | or do i also need to put an image on my own machine elsewhere on the network? |
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| 18:07.21 | syslq | What is that filesystem event checker for linux |
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| 18:07.42 | xsdg | jez9999: that is over the internet, yes |
| 18:08.06 | jez9999 | xsdg: in that case... the page i was pointed to doesnt seem to have over-the-internet instructions |
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| 18:08.50 | xsdg | jez9999: sec |
| 18:09.13 | xsdg | jez9999: ignore the "Booting from the Network" section |
| 18:09.19 | xsdg | jez9999: only pay attention to the USB stick part |
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| 18:09.30 | xsdg | jez9999: which should instruct you to grab an hd-media file and a netinst ISO |
| 18:10.00 | jez9999 | that repartitions my memory stick, doesnt it? |
| 18:10.30 | ga_bash | hi |
| 18:10.37 | ga_bash | which program converts rpm to deb? |
| 18:10.44 | ga_bash | rpm2deb? |
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| 18:10.50 | jelly-home | ga_bash: alien |
| 18:10.51 | llutz | alien |
| 18:10.55 | jez9999 | xsdg: im looking at the manual section 4.3.2. Copying the files - the flexible way |
| 18:11.04 | ga_bash | jelly-home, llutz thanks Let me check it out :) |
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| 18:11.17 | jez9999 | and there isnt enough info on what exactly i need to copy over. i've put the syslinux bootloader on already |
| 18:11.19 | jez9999 | but now what? |
| 18:11.41 | xsdg | jez9999: you don't want the flexible way |
| 18:11.46 | xsdg | jez9999: you want the quick-n-easy way |
| 18:11.50 | jez9999 | why not the felxible way |
| 18:11.52 | xsdg | jez9999: A.2.2 |
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| 18:12.01 | jez9999 | the quick way repartitions my memory stick |
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| 18:13.05 | xsdg | jez9999: you don't have one you can live without for the duration of the install? just dd the contents into an image file, nuke it for the install, and then dd them back on (or mkfs and cp if you're more familiar with that) |
| 18:13.28 | jez9999 | why do they list a flexible way if you're not supposed to use it? |
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| 18:14.03 | karl | anything i can do about this ? its not the cpu, no thread above 5% in top |
| 18:14.12 | Fahim | Hey All! |
| 18:14.28 | nsadmin | so, do you not want to repartition the stick? |
| 18:14.51 | Fahim | I seem to be having some problems with my internet on Debian |
| 18:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | karl: Sorry, you must've gotten lost in a netsplit or something. What's the problem? |
| 18:14.59 | Fahim | and it seems GNome is causing it |
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| 18:15.48 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 18:15.50 | xsdg | jez9999: well, the flexible way probably works, but requires more knowledge to get it to work |
| 18:16.10 | jez9999 | im just wondering why pxelinux.0 is all over the place |
| 18:16.16 | jez9999 | im not using PXE..... i think |
| 18:16.24 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 18:16.26 | jez9999 | or if i am it's already in the 'linux' or 'initrd.gz' |
| 18:16.35 | xsdg | karl: regarding your question, what filesystem are you using? |
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| 18:17.09 | nsadmin | Fahim provide the specific details; someone will be along when there's enough info |
| 18:17.18 | Fahim | oh..k |
| 18:17.37 | Fahim | I am on Debian Lenny |
| 18:17.50 | karl | hi xsdg ! i use ext3 |
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| 18:18.37 | Fahim | Its a new Install, Gnome was installed with it |
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| 18:19.23 | Fahim | While installation, the installer detected and configured my modem, and used it to download the required pacakages (In the step "Select and Install Software") |
| 18:19.40 | Fahim | Now after installing, When I logged into Gnome, My Modem is not detected. |
| 18:19.47 | Fahim | Its a USB Modem |
| 18:19.58 | Fahim | What else information might be necessary? |
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| 18:20.40 | nsadmin | the modem should be already detected/running long before gnome starts |
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| 18:21.38 | Fahim | yes, during startup a server is pinged(?), but after startup, i cannot access internet, nor does the Network Manager lists any devices |
| 18:21.39 | nsadmin | this is a modem for phone line? dsl? cable? |
| 18:21.40 | fove48 | please, are there an english room ? |
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| 18:22.05 | Fahim | DSL |
| 18:22.24 | jez9999 | suggestion: make this available as one huge HTML file |
| 18:22.24 | jez9999 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 18:22.37 | jez9999 | because i want it to read offline, and not as a PDF |
| 18:22.39 | jez9999 | :-S |
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| 18:22.56 | chomwitt | xsdg: i think i understanded it. but if a give [chrooted]'mount -t proc none /proc' must be equivalent to [host]'moun -t proc none /mnt/squeeze' since neither command refers actuall to filesystem but to the common to both kernel |
| 18:23.25 | thehurley- | hello, in lenny, i'd like to add an command to the menu when i right click something - something like open a file with gedit. can someone point in the right direction? |
| 18:23.25 | Fahim | BTW: With the previous Debian Install with KDE, My internet worked properly |
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| 18:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: wget |
| 18:23.45 | nsadmin | hmm. network manager and debian's network configuration system are two different things and maybe not compatible |
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| 18:23.53 | xsdg | chomwitt: well, mount -t proc none /mnt/squeeze/proc |
| 18:23.54 | jez9999 | jhutchins: not all systems have wget |
| 18:23.54 | jez9999 | :-)_ |
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| 18:23.56 | xsdg | chomwitt: but yes |
| 18:24.02 | jez9999 | more convenient would be if debian.org did it for me |
| 18:24.02 | jez9999 | ;-) |
| 18:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | Fahim: It looks to me like there's an easy solution. |
| 18:24.30 | nsadmin | do you presently have access to the files on that machine? |
| 18:24.41 | Fahim | nsadmin : me? yes |
| 18:24.56 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: You understand that we're all just fellow users, right? |
| 18:25.04 | jez9999 | yeah |
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| 18:25.10 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:25.21 | nsadmin | ok, are you IRCing from a separate machine right now? |
| 18:25.22 | lenswipe | anyone in here remember me bitching about debian running like treacle? |
| 18:25.25 | lenswipe | nsadmin: i think you do |
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| 18:25.33 | jez9999 | nsadmin@ through the machine im about to reformat |
| 18:25.35 | Fahim | nsadmin : yes |
| 18:25.38 | lenswipe | i just threw in another RAM stick... |
| 18:25.41 | lenswipe | ..works like a dream |
| 18:25.43 | sednogmah | Do i have to setup a chroot to build ia32 .deb packages on AMD64? Specifically I want an ia32 package for a library. I can manually compile it without a chroot. |
| 18:25.51 | jhutchins_lt | preferrs to remember the problem solving as opposed to the bitching. |
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| 18:26.03 | xsdg | sednogmah: you do not need a chroot for that, no |
| 18:26.10 | xsdg | sednogmah: just `gcc -m32` |
| 18:26.15 | sednogmah | xsdg: that's great news |
| 18:26.17 | xsdg | (or analogous) |
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| 18:26.24 | Fahim | jhutchins_lt : you were going to mention some solution? |
| 18:26.29 | sednogmah | (trying to build ia32-libdbus-c++) |
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| 18:26.38 | xsdg | sednogmah: wait, though |
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| 18:26.58 | ovidiu | any admin to remove a ban? |
| 18:27.00 | nsadmin | Fahim is the modem connected to the machine you're ircing from or to the machine you installed gnome on? |
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| 18:27.18 | xsdg | sednogmah: I am not sure about building ia32 .deb packages, sorry. I know you don't need a chroot for compiling, but building .debs may try to pick up things from the environment that you don't want |
| 18:27.20 | Fahim | its connected to both |
| 18:27.20 | sednogmah | xsdg: a reference source package would be sweet. the source packages of ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk are huge (multiple hundred megabytes) |
| 18:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | Fahim: Sorry, I detest gnome and much prefer KDE, so that would be my solution, but it might be interesting to find out what Gnome is doing differently. The network manager is the same, but the GUI front end for configuring it is different. |
| 18:27.41 | sednogmah | xsdg: yeah, pure compiling works fine. the .deb part is what's troubling me, yep |
| 18:28.03 | jez9999 | where would one post a suggestion for a change to the debian installation manual? |
| 18:28.11 | lenswipe | can someone help me with something |
| 18:28.18 | lenswipe | i have a dell box and i got a really weird symptom... |
| 18:28.20 | xsdg | jez9999: #debian-boot |
| 18:28.25 | xsdg | jez9999: or the mailing list |
| 18:28.26 | lenswipe | if i close the case debian is like treacle |
| 18:28.27 | Fahim | nsadmin : The Debian machine is connected thru USB, while the IRC'ing Machine thu LAN |
| 18:28.32 | lenswipe | if the case is open its like lightning |
| 18:28.35 | xsdg | jez9999: (#debian-boot is on OFTC) |
| 18:28.35 | lenswipe | with instant effect |
| 18:28.45 | jez9999 | xsdg: which mailing list? |
| 18:29.00 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: The ideal way to do this would be to use wget to get the whole thing, assemble it, and the present it for others to use. (That's how this "Community" thing works.) |
| 18:29.02 | lenswipe | anyone know? |
| 18:29.05 | nsadmin | how is the lan connected to the net? |
| 18:29.12 | xsdg | karl: so, the problem is likely that you have 24,000 files in a single directory |
| 18:29.16 | Fahim | thru the modem |
| 18:29.21 | Fahim | i mean its one modem |
| 18:29.24 | xsdg | karl: ext3 doesn't do well with lots of files in a single directory |
| 18:29.34 | jez9999 | xsdg: which mailing list? |
| 18:29.43 | Fahim | The modem in connected to the internet, but my debian machine does not detect it |
| 18:29.49 | nsadmin | so you have a machine acting as a gateway? |
| 18:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Turn off open case detection in the BIOS? |
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| 18:30.02 | RichiH | is there any cli download manager with a queue, start/stop/resume, parallel downloads and maybe even downloading files in several chunks at the same time? google gave me axel, which is pretty much like wget, only more verbose |
| 18:30.12 | Fahim | nsadmin : well, yes |
| 18:30.13 | xsdg | jez9999: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:30.30 | xsdg | RichiH: howdy |
| 18:30.35 | jez9999 | ok cheers |
| 18:30.39 | jez9999 | now im off to install *crosses fingers* |
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| 18:31.03 | Devrethman | How reliable is NTFS-3g's write support? |
| 18:31.06 | nsadmin | he wants to install crosses and fingers?! |
| 18:31.19 | petemc | Devrethman: its pretty good |
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| 18:32.10 | Devrethman | Good enough that I won't have to worry about losing things if I change my backup disks to NTFS? |
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| 18:32.38 | nsadmin | Fahim I'm trying to get a picture of how everything's connected... so the usb modem is connected to what exactly (and let's give the machines names) |
| 18:32.47 | Devrethman | They're currently EXT2, and not being able to read them from OSX or write them from windows is getting annoying. |
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| 18:33.17 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: yeah but if it was the open case detection wouldnt it run slowly when the case was open rather than closed? |
| 18:33.39 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:33.48 | karl | at least in windows you can use ext2 filesystem driver to read and write ext2 |
| 18:34.00 | karl | it worked fine the last time i used windows |
| 18:34.17 | karl | and i am sure you can mount ext2 in macos |
| 18:34.30 | Fahim | nsadmin : Ok, Modem is connected to DSL line, USB(MAIN_PC), lan (LAPTOP) |
| 18:34.47 | karl | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 18:34.49 | Devrethman | You can, but using it with write support results in tons of errors when I e2fsck them from linux, and you can't use EXT2 at all in OSX 10.6, at least not that I've figured out how to. |
| 18:35.07 | nsadmin | so the modem has an ethernet port? |
| 18:35.10 | Devrethman | Supposedly there was a driver that worked prety well for 10.4, but I tries it and it hangs. |
| 18:35.36 | karl | hmm, how weird that a bsd-clone like macos does not speak ext2 |
| 18:35.36 | Devrethman | *tried |
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| 18:35.46 | Devrethman | Yeah, I was kind of surprised that it didn't do it out of the box. |
| 18:35.58 | Fahim | nsadmin : yes |
| 18:36.14 | karl | well, good my macbook has never seen macos :) |
| 18:36.24 | nsadmin | no, let's keep it on the channel |
| 18:36.30 | Fahim | ok |
| 18:36.42 | Fahim | yes, it has an ethernet port |
| 18:36.43 | Fahim | h |
| 18:36.47 | karl | alas, ntfs3g writesupport is stable in lenny, have used it from time to time |
| 18:36.52 | Fahim | thats what my Laptop is connected to |
| 18:37.25 | nsadmin | and the laptop is working fine? |
| 18:37.28 | Devrethman | karl: haha. I actually like macOS quite a bit. I think I'll move one of them to NTFS and see where it goes from there. |
| 18:37.40 | Fahim | yes, i'm IRC'ing from the Laptop |
| 18:37.57 | karl | hmm, they must have removed the ext2 on purpose, most probably a vendor-lock-in thing |
| 18:38.08 | karl | you have been assimilated, resistance is futile :) |
| 18:38.47 | Devrethman | It's unfortunate that FAT32 is the only thing that OSX and windows can do r/w to, cause I'd love to change my flashdrive over to something that can hold 4.7GB files. |
| 18:39.27 | nsadmin | Fahim do you have a spare machine that's not doing anything? |
| 18:39.34 | karl | hmm, my advice, get rid of proprietary oses |
| 18:39.36 | Fahim | well, no.. |
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| 18:39.41 | Fahim | why? |
| 18:39.55 | karl | even my router runs debian :) |
| 18:39.59 | Devrethman | karl: If only, if only. |
| 18:40.05 | Fahim | BTW: Lenny is on dual boot with windows, if that matters |
| 18:40.21 | karl | Devrethman: what keeps you with windows/osx ? |
| 18:40.39 | nsadmin | seems like you need a gateway router, the modem connects to the gateway, the gateway connects to your lan (think of the gateway as sitting on the edge of the cloud that is your lan) |
| 18:41.04 | Fahim | Hmm,,,oh.k |
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| 18:41.16 | blacktooth | how to auto mount ntfs drives on lenny? |
| 18:41.17 | Fahim | so for that i do what? |
| 18:41.27 | Devrethman | Gaming and activeHDL in windows, OSX I actually like. |
| 18:41.38 | nsadmin | which is either a spare machine or something you would buy from like frys or something |
| 18:41.53 | Fahim | hmm.. |
| 18:42.00 | Fahim | its a speedtouvh |
| 18:42.07 | Fahim | speedtouch modem |
| 18:42.38 | Fahim | BTW: My windows dual boot can access internet |
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| 18:42.59 | nsadmin | when you were installing onto your main machine, was the usb and the ethernet both connected to your main pc? |
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| 18:43.27 | ehnde | is there a debian package to get flash capability in iceweasel? |
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| 18:44.05 | blacktooth | how to auto mount ntfs drives with write support on lenny? |
| 18:44.10 | karl | ah, yes, i do use windows for gaming on dual-boot, but i dont think of it as a os, its more a gaming-platform, never use it for anything else |
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| 18:44.15 | jelly-home | ehnde: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:44.24 | ehnde | thanks jelly-home |
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| 18:44.35 | itsosimpo | hello, can anyone tell me wehre i can find scripts for octave? when i try to ./config i get the following warnings: http://pastebin.com/m2ec7f9de |
| 18:45.42 | blacktooth | somebody! plz help me! |
| 18:46.08 | karl | ok, gotta go |
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| 18:46.13 | gordonjcp | !help | blacktooth |
| 18:46.24 | blacktooth | how to auto mount ntfs drives with write support on lenny? |
| 18:46.25 | gordonjcp | bah, wrong bot |
| 18:46.38 | Fahim | nsadmiin: no, only USB, my ethernet is always connected to laptop |
| 18:46.52 | nsadmin | ok. |
| 18:47.09 | nsadmin | can you get /etc/network/interfaces to your laptop? |
| 18:47.24 | ehnde | i keep finding that there are new things to add to my sources.list (just recently added non-fre and contrib just now) |
| 18:47.47 | ovidiu | any admin to remove a ban? |
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| 18:48.49 | Fahim | nsadmin : i run windows on laptop |
| 18:49.14 | nsadmin | can you transfer files to the laptop? |
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| 18:49.55 | nsadmin | what I want, is to see the /etc/network/interfaces file that's now on your main pc |
| 18:50.09 | nsadmin | so I want to have you pastebin that file |
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| 18:50.30 | nsadmin | I'm guessing you'd have to transfer it first |
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| 18:52.21 | jez9999 | hmm, problem installing linux using a USB stick |
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| 18:52.44 | jez9999 | i think i installed syslinux on it correctly, but im just getting "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
| 18:52.55 | themill | ovidiu: you'd need to convince us that you're going to turn of that away script first. You've been asked many times and been kicked and/or banned many times for it yet you keep using it... |
| 18:53.01 | jez9999 | if it were detecting syslinux, might it give that error? it looks like that's a BIOS error |
| 18:53.15 | dvs | jez9999: you probably forgot to run mbr-install |
| 18:53.25 | dvs | or install-mbr |
| 18:53.27 | nsadmin | are you sure it's trying to boot from the stick? |
| 18:53.58 | jez9999 | yeah |
| 18:54.01 | jez9999 | also there are 4 options |
| 18:54.12 | jez9999 | USB-FDD, USB-CDROM, USB-HDD, USB-ZIP |
| 18:54.19 | jez9999 | wtf do they mean and which do i want? :-) |
| 18:54.42 | dvs | jez9999: USB-HDD probably |
| 18:54.43 | JPT | you want usb-hdd then |
| 18:54.45 | nsadmin | probably your stick is most like a hdd |
| 18:54.48 | jez9999 | yeah |
| 18:54.50 | jez9999 | ok |
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| 18:54.54 | jhutchins_lt | jez9999: First thing I'd suggest is go to the manufacturer's web page and look for a BIOS update. |
| 18:55.06 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I think sticks like bootable CD's emulate floppies. |
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| 18:55.18 | JPT | be careful with bios updates. they might ruin your mainboard in worst case scenario |
| 18:55.24 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: no, they're HDs |
| 18:56.21 | jhutchins_lt | boot, try 1, if that fails reboot, try 2, etc. |
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| 18:56.44 | nsadmin | Fahim still here? |
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| 18:59.15 | Fahim | nsadmin : sorry, i was away |
| 18:59.34 | nsadmin | what I want, is to see the /etc/network/interfaces file that's now on your main pc |
| 18:59.48 | nsadmin | how can we make that happen? |
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| 19:00.22 | Fahim | Hmm, maybe i can copy that to my flash drive and Upload, or a pic of the screen and upload |
| 19:00.29 | Fahim | 2 option will be faster |
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| 19:01.10 | nsadmin | does it all fit on the screen? that's fine |
| 19:01.43 | Fahim | i'l see, one second |
| 19:01.57 | nsadmin | it's probably small |
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| 19:02.52 | Fahim | taking pic |
| 19:02.56 | Fahim | yes, its small |
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| 19:04.12 | Fahim | decreased resolution so you can see it more clearly |
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| 19:06.39 | Fahim | nsadmin : http://imagebin.org/82724 |
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| 19:07.33 | nsadmin | you have two eths in that machine? |
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| 19:07.44 | Fahim | yes, |
| 19:07.50 | Fahim | but I dont use one of them |
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| 19:08.23 | nsadmin | your main pc could double as your gateway |
| 19:08.24 | Fahim | I entered the IP addresses after nothing worked, in System>admin>Network |
| 19:08.41 | Fahim | Hmm... |
| 19:08.57 | nsadmin | do you have a hub or switch? |
| 19:08.58 | Fahim | Will you be available the day after tommorow? |
| 19:09.10 | nsadmin | that's tues |
| 19:09.13 | nsadmin | hmm, dunno |
| 19:09.23 | eulalia | Hey #debian; I screwed up wicd, and whenever it starts, it crashes my computer, and it's set to start on startup, thus making it impossible to boot Debian. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to keep wicd from starting? |
| 19:09.24 | nsadmin | but do you have a hub? |
| 19:09.36 | Fahim | No |
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| 19:09.42 | kjoonlee | hi |
| 19:09.42 | nsadmin | a switch? |
| 19:09.49 | Fahim | No |
| 19:09.53 | dvs | Fahim: If you want to connect your DSL modem directly to your computer, then you have to have a ppp connection, not a static or dhcp one. |
| 19:10.27 | Fahim | dvs, so to enable that what should I do? I mean PPP is not in the options in System>admin>Network |
| 19:10.33 | nsadmin | dvs: so he has to do pppoe? |
| 19:10.39 | kjoonlee | how do I purge config files from packages that I've uninstalled, using apt-get? |
| 19:10.42 | nsadmin | or pppousb? |
| 19:10.54 | dvs | msadmin: if he had no router then yes. |
| 19:11.04 | kjoonlee | "apt-get remove --purge" now says that the package is already removed |
| 19:11.09 | nvz | eulalia: well which of the million ways you wanna hear first? lol. boot kernel param "single" or "init=/bin/sh" without quotes of course. or boot form another media and mount the partition and remove the links in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 19:11.14 | themill | dpkg: tell kjoonlee about purge |
| 19:11.16 | Fahim | On my Windows Machine, I had the driver for "Routed PPP" |
| 19:11.18 | dvs | Fahim: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 19:11.36 | nsadmin | so maybe you do have to do pppoe |
| 19:11.43 | nvz | eulalia: I would keep going.. but I think those methods are the best two |
| 19:11.45 | themill | kjoonlee: aptitude purge foo will still work (and aptitude is the perferred tool for package management in any case) |
| 19:12.09 | Fahim | ok, i'll try transfering that pppoeconf from laptio |
| 19:12.13 | Fahim | laptop |
| 19:12.27 | nsadmin | you'll be needing a switch soonish. how hard woudl it be for you to get one? |
| 19:12.30 | kjoonlee | themill: ah, thanks |
| 19:12.47 | Fahim | nsadmin : PPPoEconf has many dependencies |
| 19:12.53 | kjoonlee | (Me, I'm still holding on to apt-get and dselect) |
| 19:12.55 | Fahim | so i have to download all of them too? |
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| 19:14.20 | lenswipe | guys |
| 19:14.32 | wishe1 | If i set up a home server with debian and then point my domain to it, can i use the domain and subdomains as vhosts on a bouncer? |
| 19:14.38 | eulalia | nvz: awesome, thanks :) |
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| 19:15.32 | petemc | wishe1: do you mean to connect to irc with user@foo.domain.com ? |
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| 19:15.46 | wishe1 | yes petemc |
| 19:15.49 | nsadmin | Fahim: experiment: when you get to a stopping point, power down modem and main box, then connect main box to modem's eth port. figure out which is eth0 and eth1, let's assume it's eth0 for now... then put "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:16.00 | jez9999 | damn. still getting "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" when trying to boot from USB drive. |
| 19:16.01 | petemc | wishe1: not unless you control the reverse dns for your home ip, which you probably dont |
| 19:16.01 | nsadmin | then try ifup eth0 |
| 19:16.10 | jez9999 | any ideas what might be the problem? |
| 19:16.17 | Fahim | Hmm..ok |
| 19:16.23 | Fahim | let me get that installed fiorst |
| 19:16.30 | wishe1 | well i have had a domain name pointed to my home ip before and had a server with freebsd running apache |
| 19:16.35 | wishe1 | worked fine for webserver |
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| 19:16.45 | nsadmin | if you get that far and it works, then you can install directly |
| 19:16.45 | petemc | thats forward dns, im talking reverse |
| 19:16.56 | dvs | jez9999: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#id2760542 |
| 19:17.10 | jez9999 | dvs: i followed those isntructions. |
| 19:17.13 | wishe1 | So i gotta have reverse dns on my line to be able to do that? |
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| 19:17.26 | petemc | control has to be delegated to you |
| 19:17.28 | dvs | jez9999: even the install-mbr part? |
| 19:17.29 | nsadmin | dvs: he says he was able to install from the net directly before |
| 19:17.32 | jez9999 | dvs: yes |
| 19:17.52 | Fahim | nsadmin : it is running into the endless loop of dependencies |
| 19:18.33 | Fahim | no way without installing that app? |
| 19:18.38 | Fahim | I dont have much time left today |
| 19:19.04 | wishe1 | Also i want to format my bsd box to debian, i dont have a cdrom though.. can it be done? |
| 19:19.12 | nsadmin | still not sure, since you say you had it running while debian was installing |
| 19:19.25 | topi` | cdroms are for gays. just boot from a USB stick |
| 19:19.37 | Fahim | nsadmin : yes, it downloaded Desktop Environment of the web |
| 19:19.39 | petemc | wishe1: you can boot over the network or use usb, if your box supports it |
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| 19:19.48 | jez9999 | damn this is annoying |
| 19:19.57 | wishe1 | so i can use my usb stick ? |
| 19:19.59 | Fahim | nsadmin : and with my previous Debian install with KDE, it worked well |
| 19:20.02 | jez9999 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 19:20.11 | Fahim | only Gnome seems to be causing the problem |
| 19:20.17 | jez9999 | i copied linux and initrd.gz over to the usb stick |
| 19:20.23 | topi` | wishe1: who knows. it's nothing that we (as programmers) could help you with. |
| 19:20.25 | jez9999 | then i ran syslinux on it and umounting it |
| 19:20.28 | jez9999 | *after |
| 19:20.34 | jez9999 | then i ran install-mbr on it |
| 19:20.41 | wishe1 | topi`: really? |
| 19:20.48 | jez9999 | and i also created a syslinux.cfg file |
| 19:20.51 | wishe1 | cause you only help with certain things? |
| 19:20.54 | jez9999 | it should boot :'-( |
| 19:21.00 | topi` | wishe1: since the code responsible for booting from usb is actually residing on your machine's firmware |
| 19:21.04 | topi` | it's out of our hands. |
| 19:21.19 | dvs | jez9999: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 19:21.24 | jez9999 | im not using that |
| 19:21.27 | dvs | jez9999: Those are the right images |
| 19:21.29 | jez9999 | want to install from the internet |
| 19:21.38 | wishe1 | im just asking if it can be done thats all |
| 19:21.51 | petemc | i wouldnt have told you it could if it couldnt |
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| 19:21.55 | wishe1 | if it will pick up my ethernet connection and be able to download the rest of the data |
| 19:21.59 | topi` | jez9999: you should understand that the "ordinary" install image is in iso9660 format, and meant to be written to a cd, not a usb stick. |
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| 19:22.23 | jez9999 | but the install guide says to get stuff from netboot dir |
| 19:22.25 | petemc | wishe1: it can do that |
| 19:22.26 | dvs | jez9999: the instructions you are trying to follow are the ones that my link is pointing to. |
| 19:22.28 | jez9999 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 19:22.32 | topi` | wishe1: if your machine does not support booting from USB, then your best bet would be a network (PXE) boot |
| 19:22.37 | jez9999 | dvs: false |
| 19:22.40 | Fahim | nsadmin, : What if I enter my Debian Install again, and just goto Network part |
| 19:22.46 | jez9999 | check that page |
| 19:22.49 | Fahim | it configures there properly |
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| 19:23.18 | jez9999 | "There are two installation methods possible when booting from USB stick. The first is to install completely from the network" |
| 19:23.24 | wishe1 | explain topi`? |
| 19:23.29 | dvs | jez9999: yes, but you choose the hd-media directory. |
| 19:23.35 | bastiand1 | can anybody say how soon kde 4.4 will be available in the debian sid repos? |
| 19:23.36 | dvs | not the netboot one |
| 19:23.38 | jez9999 | not according to that huide. |
| 19:23.40 | jez9999 | guide |
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| 19:23.52 | jez9999 | "For the first installation method you'll need to download an installer image from the netboot directory (at the location mentioned in Section 4.2.1, “Where to Find Installation Images”) and use the “flexible way” explained below to copy the files to the USB stick. " |
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| 19:24.56 | wishe1 | i doubt my old pIII is gone support anything spectacular |
| 19:25.01 | dvs | jez9999: Where's the "boot.img.gz" file in that directory? |
| 19:25.03 | wishe1 | doesnt even have usb2.0 so thats a no go i guess |
| 19:25.21 | jez9999 | dvs: huh? |
| 19:25.28 | jez9999 | that's not even mentioned in the guide |
| 19:25.43 | dvs | jez9999: are you using the easy way or the flexible way? |
| 19:25.44 | Fahim | nsadmin ? |
| 19:25.47 | jez9999 | flexible |
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| 19:26.47 | eulalia | nvz: tried removing it from /etc/rc2.d/, it kept complaining about being a read-only filesystem though :\ |
| 19:27.10 | nvz | eulalia: you booted single user? |
| 19:27.11 | dvs | jez9999: Where's the vmlinuz file in the netboot directory? |
| 19:27.22 | eulalia | nvz: was I supposed to? >_< |
| 19:27.24 | jez9999 | there isnt one, it says it will be 'linux' if you're using a netboot |
| 19:27.27 | nvz | eulalia: or init=/bin/sh? |
| 19:27.36 | eulalia | nvz: init=/bin/sh |
| 19:27.55 | nvz | eulalia: the fsck init script never ran and remounted it rw, you have to do it manually |
| 19:28.07 | nvz | eulalia: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:28.25 | dvs | jez9999: Mount the partition (mount /dev/sdX1 /mnt) and copy the following installer image files to the stick: |
| 19:28.27 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.29 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.45 | Fahim | nsadmin : I have to leave now, will try later, i will be online on tuesday, will tr the CD method, thanks anyway, Byw, 'nite |
| 19:29.02 | eulalia | nvz: k |
| 19:29.40 | jez9999 | dvs: now that i did install-mbr on the device, it doesnt want to mount it unless i specify filesystem type |
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| 19:30.58 | uncmar | huff. |
| 19:30.59 | dvs | jez9999: I'd use fdisk to make sure that the filesystem is the correct type and that partition is marked as boot. |
| 19:31.25 | uncmar | How do I get nautilus to look like.. Just kidding. How do I get nautilus to have both a files and folder view. |
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| 19:31.43 | uncmar | I like having a folder view to the left of my files for easier navigation. |
| 19:31.55 | uncmar | without it. I might as well use cli |
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| 19:33.01 | jez9999 | 'this doesnt look like a partition table' |
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| 19:33.12 | jez9999 | when you install-mbr on a device, it cant be used like a regular drive anymore can it? |
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| 19:33.45 | dvs | jez9999: yes, it can. you can still mount it like a regular drive. |
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| 19:33.57 | jez9999 | :-( |
| 19:34.05 | jez9999 | then it somehow f*cked something up coz it wont monut now |
| 19:34.07 | jez9999 | mount |
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| 19:34.14 | jez9999 | how the heck did that happen |
| 19:34.21 | jez9999 | i just did install-mbr /dev/sdb1 |
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| 19:34.36 | uncmar | ok, so it can't be done. I understand. No problem. |
| 19:34.44 | nsadmin | oh, don't you want to install-mbr /dev/sdb |
| 19:34.47 | dvs | jez9999: look carefully at the instructions: install-mbr /dev/sdb |
| 19:35.06 | nvz | jez9999: you did it on the partition, not the device, and likely lost your filesystem |
| 19:35.09 | nsadmin | you're going to have to rebuild the stick I think |
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| 19:35.42 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:35.43 | nvz | and I have no idea what install-mbr is, what your doing, or anything about this conversation |
| 19:35.49 | nvz | but I can guess |
| 19:35.52 | lenswipe | how do i install emerald on debian lenny? |
| 19:36.01 | buckfast | I have some awkward problem. I can't untick obects in shown in the gnome main menu. It automatically ticks it back |
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| 19:36.12 | nsadmin | install-mbr probbly comes from the mbr package |
| 19:36.40 | uncmar | finally, I got it. |
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| 19:36.54 | jez9999 | ohh lol |
| 19:36.59 | nsadmin | it installs a program small enough to fit on the mbr, and lets you boot from the other partitions |
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| 19:37.01 | lenswipe | how do i install emerald on debian lenny? |
| 19:37.03 | jez9999 | ok so i need to put a new fs on there. great |
| 19:37.03 | jez9999 | :-) |
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| 19:37.23 | dvs | jez9999: gotta start over. |
| 19:37.33 | nsadmin | yep and copy the files over, etc etc |
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| 19:38.27 | TomasuAway | grub-pc seems to be broken on sid. anyone else seeing it failing to detect any ext2/3 fs? |
| 19:38.38 | lenswipe | how do i install emerald on debian lenny? |
| 19:39.03 | nsadmin | !search |
| 19:39.14 | nsadmin | and as we wait for the bot to speak... |
| 19:39.40 | lenswipe | !search emerald |
| 19:39.46 | lenswipe | .... |
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| 19:39.50 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 19:39.56 | buckfast | How come the things I check in Gnome Main Menu preferences dont actually appear |
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| 19:40.20 | lenswipe | nsadmin: i have searched for it, im googling at this very minute - theres 100000s of guides on hos to install emerald on ubuntu, but very few for debia |
| 19:40.23 | lenswipe | debian* |
| 19:40.30 | Da_Wrecka | Does anyone know how I can find out what script is invoking wpa_supplicant? I want to change the command line to use my .conf file |
| 19:41.04 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka maybe that script is in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 19:41.57 | lenswipe | eeg3: Couldn't find package emerald-theme-manager |
| 19:41.58 | nvz | buckfast: I've been wondering the same thing myself. They got that cute litlle program alacarte which makes you think you can actually edit the gnome menu.. but in reality it doesn't do shit. heh |
| 19:42.04 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka I thought you could put something in your /etc/network/interfaces to get it to use your config |
| 19:42.35 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: still fighting with that old laptop? |
| 19:43.02 | nvz | buckfast: it does create files in your homedir, but they never appear in the menu. I suspect it has something to do with the "menu" package and the defualt setup not respecting the local files in the homedir |
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| 19:43.19 | lenswipe | how to insstall emerald? |
| 19:43.21 | lenswipe | install* |
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| 19:44.09 | Da_Wrecka | topi`: Spot on. |
| 19:44.19 | Da_Wrecka | I've made a BIT of progress though |
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| 19:44.39 | Da_Wrecka | If I put the wired NIC in and unplug the wireless NIC, I do get network access |
| 19:44.43 | buckfast | nvz: at some point I was actually able to make changes to the gnome main menu, don't know what happened |
| 19:44.48 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: just buy a new macbook ;) |
| 19:44.51 | dbbolton | lenswipe build it yourself or use a third party repo (not reccommended) |
| 19:44.56 | Da_Wrecka | But the wireless NIC will not connect to the network at all, I can't even get it to associate with the AP |
| 19:45.08 | Da_Wrecka | topi`: Sure. You gonna send me the £200 or whatever so I can afford it? |
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| 19:45.26 | nvz | buckfast: yeah that was my experience too.. once I got something in there the same way it typically doesn't work.. confused the hell out of me |
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| 19:47.01 | topi` | Da_Wrecka: if your time isn't worth anything, then I guess it's most useful to go on spending hours on that old laptop... |
| 19:47.15 | topi` | just mark my words: those pcmcia peripherals will just make you lose your mind |
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| 19:47.32 | topi` | get a cheap USB wireless adapter and be done with it ;) although, that will ensure ndiswrapper madness... |
| 19:47.52 | Da_Wrecka | USB is to be avoided with this laptop |
| 19:47.59 | Da_Wrecka | Its USB controller is ass |
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| 19:48.04 | Da_Wrecka | Can we say "USB1.1"? |
| 19:48.05 | topi` | ugh |
| 19:48.25 | Da_Wrecka | Adding to that is the fact it only has one USB port |
| 19:48.44 | topi` | haha |
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| 19:49.56 | nsadmin | so "be done with it" istn' quite true until you get the ndiswrapper stuff set up :) |
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| 19:50.37 | topi` | true, that |
| 19:50.59 | topi` | i'm trying to compile the broadcom 'hybrid' driver as we speak, hopefully don't have to use ndiswrapper any longer |
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| 19:51.57 | dvs | topi`: http://wiki.debian.org/wl works for me. |
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| 19:56.57 | groken | nsadmin jmarsden xingu are any of you guys here? |
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| 20:02.40 | smacnay | is there a way to change the default file manager in X? |
| 20:03.40 | cahoot | x doesn't offer a filemanager - your wm/DE does |
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| 20:04.40 | budo | the multi-viewer evince does not copy text correctly. it will copy both sides of a divided page. how might i go about correcting this issue? |
| 20:05.05 | scratchme | Hi all. I was wondering if it is possible to restore an LVM partition back to the same state as an LVM snapshot w/o writing each block back, only the changed blocks as captured by the snapshot. |
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| 20:05.22 | Autoscum | scratchme, what would be the point of that? |
| 20:05.31 | scratchme | Autoscum: the point would be less waiting. |
| 20:05.32 | smacnay | cahoot, thanks - must be an xfce settin somewhere |
| 20:05.32 | jelly-home | groken: try explaining your issue to the people who _are_ here instead of asking for specific helpers |
| 20:05.59 | kmc | my Debian kernel seems not to come with unionfs, and the unionfs website provides only patches, not a cleanly separate module source tree |
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| 20:06.09 | kmc | is there any easy way to build the unionfs module for a Debian system? |
| 20:06.15 | Autoscum | scratchme, are there really that much changes? :) Also, I doubt such a function is possible to implement. |
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| 20:06.22 | scratchme | Autoscum: If you had say a 100GB LVM parition, a snapshot w/ 10GB reserved space for changes, and then wanted to restore it, isn't there a faster way than doing a dd of the snapshot in it's entirety to the original? |
| 20:06.27 | Autoscum | scratchme, I mean that much "non-changes" lol |
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| 20:06.34 | groken | jelly-home: i was looking for them since they were working with me last night on the issue. it now appears to be off topic for this chan though... |
| 20:06.39 | topi` | kmc: that's an interesting question, I'd like to find out myself too |
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| 20:06.46 | Autoscum | scratchme, sometimes you just have to wait, haha. |
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| 20:07.04 | kmc | i see some mention of using module-assistant on Ubuntu, but not Debian |
| 20:07.30 | topi` | kmc: the module-assistant exists on debian, too. that's the way of building those hybrid drivers for Broadcom chipsets |
| 20:07.33 | jelly-home | scratchme: sounds like a good question for #lvm |
| 20:07.46 | kmc | yeah, i've used m-a on debian, just can't figure out if it'll do unionfs |
| 20:07.47 | scratchme | jelly-home: thanks, I'll ask there. |
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| 20:09.54 | nvz | ok my netbook just did one of these f'd up things it did, I got dmesg backed up, nothing interesting in xlog.. anything else I should backup before I reboot? I can't hardly even see whats on my screen here its all fucked up, letters on top of letters and shit.. heh |
| 20:10.08 | topi` | damn, that was *simple*, I mean, using module-assistant to create those broadcom modules |
| 20:10.40 | topi` | nvz: try to use a serial port as the console? |
| 20:10.41 | Autoscum | nvz, backup everything you will miss if the system crashes? haha :P |
| 20:10.51 | dbbolton | for some reason when i boot to runlevel 2 i don't get a login prompt on the first tty unless i open another one and go back to the first one. any ideas? |
| 20:11.08 | dvs | topi`: nice, eh? ;-) |
| 20:11.09 | nvz | this is a netbook, there is no serial port |
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| 20:12.02 | topi` | it's also possible to set up a console using a USB rs232 adapter, but I guess you're not interested in those... |
| 20:12.04 | nvz | I have to reboot cause I can't see shit right now. everything is shaky and I got words dancing around on top of other words.. its nuts |
| 20:12.22 | topi` | nvz: I still did not understand what you *really* want to do? |
| 20:12.25 | CellKill | nvz, what netbook is it? |
| 20:12.32 | Da_Wrecka | Can you not hook it up to an external monitor? |
| 20:12.41 | dbbolton | nvz is the video messed up even without X? |
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| 20:13.15 | nvz | I'm just asking can you think of any other logs or stuff I should save to a file before I reboot |
| 20:13.19 | ovidiu | can any admin to remove a ban? |
| 20:13.41 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, hey man. Did you fix that problem you had yesterday? (Memory fails me, sorry. :)) |
| 20:13.48 | nvz | I can't continue talking about this with it in this condition, I can barely make out what you're saying.. my last line is on top of the screen semi-translucent above other lines.. etc |
| 20:13.55 | nvz | yes, X is black totally |
| 20:14.00 | Da_Wrecka | Autoscum: Nope! Screen's working, wired NIC is working, but wireless remains obstinate |
| 20:14.05 | gordonjcp | nvz: use a USB serial port as a console |
| 20:14.06 | nvz | this is the console (no framebuffer either) that is looking like this |
| 20:14.32 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, search for Linux drivers for the wireless adapter? :) |
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| 20:14.47 | Da_Wrecka | It already HAS drivers, it seems |
| 20:14.56 | Da_Wrecka | The wireless NIC is actually present in ifconfig |
| 20:15.02 | Da_Wrecka | It just won't associate with the AP |
| 20:15.17 | Autoscum | Why not? |
| 20:15.18 | Autoscum | lol |
| 20:15.29 | Da_Wrecka | Fuck knows. I haven't been able to find out |
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| 20:15.38 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 20:15.45 | nvz | oh right.. my usb serial port.. thats sitting right outside in my private jet next to my space ship |
| 20:15.49 | lenswipe|debian | how do i install flash player on debian lenny? |
| 20:16.02 | dbbolton | aptitude install gnash |
| 20:16.03 | Autoscum | !flashplayer |
| 20:16.11 | dvs | !tell lenswipe|debian -about multimedia |
| 20:16.15 | lenswipe|debian | dbbolton: thanks |
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| 20:16.24 | craigevil | lenswipe|debian: aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:16.25 | pipeline | lenswipe|debian: you would be well-advised not to |
| 20:16.26 | dbbolton | or swfdec |
| 20:16.33 | pipeline | lenswipe|debian: flash sucks on linux :) |
| 20:16.38 | dvs | pipeline: really? why? |
| 20:16.40 | Autoscum | dbbolton was fastest, haha. |
| 20:16.49 | pipeline | dvs: because adobe doesn't give a damn about linux or osx |
| 20:16.51 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:16.52 | dbbolton | gnash and swfdec are free |
| 20:16.54 | Autoscum | pipeline, I haven't had problems with it so far. |
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| 20:17.10 | jelly-home | dvs: "why"'s a question for adobe |
| 20:17.21 | topi` | nvz: just reboot that thing, if it has become so unusable? what's your point anyway? |
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| 20:17.30 | pipeline | the linux and osx versions of flash are markedly inferior to their windows counterpart |
| 20:17.34 | craigevil | nvz: intel? and are you running testing? |
| 20:17.35 | dvs | pipeline: I can sorta see linux but OS X? That's *REALLY* stupid. |
| 20:17.37 | pipeline | I just have flash disabled |
| 20:17.46 | nvz | if I reboot I have no way of troubleshooting it because I will have no logs |
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| 20:17.59 | pipeline | dvs: osx's installed base is not nearly as large as sales numbers suggest. It's not that stupid. |
| 20:18.11 | nvz | I backed up the dmesg I am asking you WHAT ELSE TO SAVE SO THAT I CAN REBOOT.. lol.. shit.. I said it three times already |
| 20:18.26 | nvz | I'm about to have a seizure from this damn screen |
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| 20:18.49 | dvs | nvz: Take a picture and post it! |
| 20:19.05 | nvz | just asking if anyone cfan think of anything else I should save to a file somewhere before I reboot it |
| 20:19.55 | nvz | lemme see if I got a better camera than the one on my phone.. |
| 20:20.19 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, is there any error output when you try to connect to the wireless internet? |
| 20:21.02 | Da_Wrecka | Not whatsoever, unless "Authentication to 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out" counts |
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| 20:21.50 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, is the "authenticator" device yours? |
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| 20:22.52 | Da_Wrecka | The AP in question is in my possession and under my control, yes |
| 20:23.52 | Da_Wrecka | well okay, technically I don't own it, but it's still under my control |
| 20:23.56 | Autoscum | Are you sure it's configured properly? |
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| 20:24.30 | nvz | actually come to think of it I suppose I can leave it running and boot my broken thinkpad from a thumbdrive and ssh to it. |
| 20:24.41 | nvz | gotta get a drink and have a smoke first though.. heh |
| 20:24.52 | Da_Wrecka | All of the Windows machines, INCLUDING the laptop that I'm having problems with, are able to associate with and connect to the LAN and Internet through the AP, yes |
| 20:25.09 | Autoscum | fsafsafdg |
| 20:25.14 | Autoscum | Now that's retarded lol |
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| 20:25.30 | nvz | I got parted magic on my thumbdrive at the moment... should be able to get into this box from that |
| 20:27.03 | nvz | ah, there we go.. even better yet.. killing X made the console go back to normal |
| 20:27.17 | nvz | and X works too.. |
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| 20:27.54 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, I think I got something. |
| 20:28.03 | nvz | this is the whole hulu/external display craziness though.. the thing it does when I'm just doing 3d stuff on the internal display is different.. console is fine but X is done until it reboots |
| 20:28.04 | Autoscum | The card is trying to authenticate itself to a non-existing device. |
| 20:28.18 | Autoscum | In this case, to 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 20:28.26 | Autoscum | Which appears to be a non-valid mac address. |
| 20:28.30 | Da_Wrecka | I've had to shut down and move the laptop, but I'm going to try and give it a BSSID once I have space |
| 20:28.42 | nvz | they should give you two of these damn netbooks when you buy em.. one to shit on, and the other to cover it up with... |
| 20:29.27 | nvz | well x kinda-sorta works anyhow |
| 20:29.34 | nvz | heh |
| 20:29.56 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, alright then. |
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| 20:30.51 | Da_Wrecka | I can read the BSSID right off the AP, so it's not like I don't know it |
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| 20:31.14 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, complications may occur. :) |
| 20:31.24 | Autoscum | Does it automatically detect the AP? |
| 20:31.30 | Autoscum | Like, "see" the network? |
| 20:31.41 | Da_Wrecka | No, but then I have SSID broadcast turned off so I'd be worried if it did |
| 20:31.47 | nvz | craigevil: now that I can read what you said.. yes its intel 945GME and no, its stable (lenny) |
| 20:32.09 | Autoscum | Well, feel free to try turning it on, haha. |
| 20:32.28 | Da_Wrecka | I did, last night |
| 20:32.30 | Da_Wrecka | It didn't change a thing |
| 20:32.47 | Da_Wrecka | so I turned it off again |
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| 20:33.57 | craigevil | nvz: INTEL should work ok on stable, on testing and sid with newer xorg and the 2.6.32-trunk kernel some people have reported issues though |
| 20:34.25 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, bah. |
| 20:34.48 | Autoscum | Are you sure that 00:00:00:00:00:00 is the AP's physical address? |
| 20:35.02 | Da_Wrecka | of course it isn't |
| 20:35.14 | nvz | craigevil: this machine is all f'd up its a netbook though, so.. |
| 20:35.20 | Autoscum | Da_Wrecka, well then the card is trying to authenticate to a non-existent device. |
| 20:35.26 | Autoscum | Tell it to connect to the real address lol |
| 20:35.46 | Da_Wrecka | I'm not 100% clear on the stanza to use for the BSSID, that's the problem |
| 20:35.52 | Da_Wrecka | I've already given it the right ESSID |
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| 20:36.10 | Autoscum | Blah. |
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| 20:37.19 | markit | hi, any debian packager here that is related with asterisk? |
| 20:37.37 | nvz | I'm gonna reboot it here in a minute so I can work comfortably again, then I'll put together a pastebin with the files I saved |
| 20:37.49 | Autoscum | markit, I'm not sure I understand your question. o.O |
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| 20:38.04 | nvz | he's looking for aterisk maintainers |
| 20:38.07 | nvz | apparently |
| 20:38.12 | markit | Autoscum: any people here involved in debian packaging regarding Asterisk PBX? |
| 20:38.20 | markit | nvz: exactly, thanks |
| 20:38.20 | Autoscum | Ah, now I understand. |
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| 20:38.49 | nvz | !maint asterisk |
| 20:39.02 | dbbolton | he thought it was meant to be a glob and that markit was looking for all debian maintainers |
| 20:39.10 | nvz | hmm. dpkg must be sick |
| 20:39.13 | Autoscum | Yeah, he is. |
| 20:39.18 | nvz | apt, maint asterisk |
| 20:39.21 | dvs | nvz: Really slow. |
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| 20:39.37 | dvs | Must be high |
| 20:39.37 | dbbolton | i have to --clear-avail like 4 times a day |
| 20:39.41 | nvz | hah |
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| 20:39.50 | markit | nvz: probably the command will not give me their irc nicks |
| 20:40.03 | lyakh | hi, what's with sda* nodes in squeeze? |
| 20:40.18 | dvs | lyakh: hda* is finished. |
| 20:40.19 | nvz | markit: no, but you are the one that's high if you thought you were gonna luck out on finding them on irc |
| 20:40.21 | dpkg | asterisk: Debian VoIP Team <pkg-voip-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 20:40.29 | Autoscum | markit, don't they have an IRC support channel? |
| 20:40.32 | lyakh | dvs - sda |
| 20:40.36 | dvs | dpkg stop hanging out with Towelie! |
| 20:40.51 | markit | I've wrote to that list twice, but no one cared about me |
| 20:40.54 | lyakh | first I noticed they were missing on an x86 scsi-only machine |
| 20:41.09 | lyakh | now they're also missing on a SATA ARM... |
| 20:41.10 | markit | they are providing a very ancient set of italian voice, and the new one is available since long time |
| 20:41.10 | Autoscum | Stop saying dpkg. When the bot actually figures out it has to speak, it'll spam the channel. |
| 20:41.24 | Autoscum | That may happen after 5 hours. lol |
| 20:41.26 | dpkg | dvs: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:41.40 | markit | but they don't package it, nor tell me why (I'm the "creator" of that set, and of the old one) |
| 20:41.42 | abrotman | markit: ancient in what way ? |
| 20:41.52 | markit | it's for 1.2 version |
| 20:41.52 | nvz | markit: have you tried asking in here or #asterisk? |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | markit: isn't that the version in lennt? |
| 20:42.04 | abrotman | lenny |
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| 20:42.17 | markit | mmm I've no idea to be sincere, I'm on sid |
| 20:42.26 | TomasuAway | so grub-install/grub-setup seem to be failing on my laptop, claims it can't detect the filesystem type. even though its plain old ext3 |
| 20:42.27 | markit | sid sure has 1.4, but the old set |
| 20:42.32 | markit | so in any case, they should update it |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | markit: so sid has a newer asterisk, but older italian voice set ? |
| 20:42.45 | markit | let me check from debian site, in any case, about lenny |
| 20:42.51 | markit | abrotman: exactly |
| 20:43.00 | abrotman | markit: did you check the BTS ? |
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| 20:43.56 | markit | abrotman: I'm not involved in that packaging stuff, I mean, I know nothing about the procedure... nor what a BTS is.. at the 1.2 times, I just exchanged some mails with the manteiner (or one of them) |
| 20:44.30 | nvz | markit: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 20:44.37 | markit | lenny has 1.4.2 |
| 20:45.03 | markit | nvz: oh, I wrote there also, there already was a bug about that issue, but no one cared |
| 20:45.12 | nvz | ugh.. I gotta reboot.. this f'n thing is pissin me off.. heh. |
| 20:47.37 | markit | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553399 |
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| 20:50.02 | Zer | Tell me, if I want a bridged connection, but essentially to nothing (just something so a few VMs can communicate with eachother), what should I use in /etc/network/interfaces? It doesn't seem to accept bridge_ports without any parameters. Just set it up as static and add something to iptables to forward, or..? |
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| 20:51.16 | Autoscum | Zer, I feel bad that your question is just hanging there. I'll google something up. |
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| 20:51.43 | Autoscum | Zer, and I found something - http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 20:51.47 | Autoscum | See if that helps. :) |
| 20:51.58 | Zer | Hehe, I'm already at that site ;) but thanks :) |
| 20:52.23 | Autoscum | It says, "If you like static ip's, then you can just add the static IP options under the br0 interface setup. Kinda like this: " |
| 20:52.40 | Autoscum | I won't paste 10 lines here, but you get the idea. :) |
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| 20:53.11 | Zer | The problem is, I don't have a gateway for it :) since it's within the PC :) |
| 20:53.25 | Autoscum | Gateway is the first PC. |
| 20:53.33 | Autoscum | Well, the first VM. |
| 20:53.44 | Autoscum | 168.192.0.1 |
| 20:54.14 | Zer | Well, the routing part. But there's nothing to route to |
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| 20:54.19 | Zer | It's just local :) |
| 20:54.30 | Autoscum | Doesn't matter. |
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| 20:54.41 | Autoscum | Just set 0.1 as the gateway, it should work. :) |
| 20:55.05 | Autoscum | Also, wait. |
| 20:55.27 | Autoscum | Why are you trying to bridge connections of VMs instead of just "connecting" them via DHCP? |
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| 20:55.57 | Zer | Well... that's how libvirt does it, yeah. |
| 20:56.25 | Zer | ...but they are all static IPs, and provide their own DNS, so I don't need dnsmasq. As a result, I was thinking of doing it manually. brctl addbr might work, but /etc/network/interfaces ... what is the syntax for that, if there is no bridge_ports etc? |
| 20:56.38 | Zer | I may be confused on terminology; that may be the problem |
| 20:57.01 | Autoscum | Indeed. |
| 20:57.18 | Autoscum | Connection bridging only allows VMs to use each other's connections to connect somewhere else. |
| 20:57.26 | petemc | Zer: you dont need a gateway, the bridge is like an ethernet switch |
| 20:57.34 | Autoscum | A connection bridge for virtual interfaces is not necessary for the VMs to connect to each other. |
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| 20:58.27 | Zer | What sort of interface would it be then? |
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| 20:58.41 | Zer | Doing inet static, address, netmask alone it doesn't want the interface to go up |
| 20:58.47 | Zer | since there's no physical device I assume |
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| 20:59.20 | Autoscum | I still don't see why the devices should be bridged. |
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| 21:00.08 | Zer | Well, the host PC still needs to route packets between the various VMs. iptables -L showed something in FORWARD when libvirt was handling it. But, just getting the interface up is the problem |
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| 21:00.45 | petemc | you dont need iptables |
| 21:00.58 | Autoscum | Zer, just leave the VMs interfaces alone. |
| 21:01.09 | Autoscum | They are autoconfigured for NAT via DHCP to your interace. |
| 21:01.14 | Autoscum | Interface, even. |
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| 21:02.08 | Zer | I had that set up as an isolated network actually. It's not doing NAT to any public IPs. |
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| 21:02.24 | Autoscum | It's doing NAT from your device to theirs. |
| 21:02.41 | Autoscum | Their devices use your device as a gateway to the Internet, and to each other. |
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| 21:03.15 | Zer | No, I mean, there is no gateway to the Internet. It just uses it like a switch. libvirt has(had) It has an "Isolated virtual network" |
| 21:03.41 | Zer | I assumed doing that without libvirt would require bridging since it labels it 'virbr' regardless of type. I'll keep investigating |
| 21:03.52 | Autoscum | Just reset the interfaces to their defaults. That should fix them |
| 21:04.01 | Autoscum | Are you using VMWare Workstation? |
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| 21:04.55 | Zer | No. I'm using libvirt. Trying to set up what it had in networks/ manually, so I can get rid of the unneeded dnsmasq it refuses to disable |
| 21:04.59 | dserban | I have an lvm with 3 drives totalling 881G (3x320gb drives), I thought I'd upgrade and put a 1tb drive in, reported available space on the lvm is 881G, on the terabyte drive 917G, when I copied all of the files over from the lvm to the tb drive I have 105gb free on both, can this be because I have thousands of smaller files on there? both have been formatted using ext4... (blocksize?) how can I check? |
| 21:05.22 | Autoscum | Zer, that's weird. :/ |
| 21:05.45 | jelly-home | dserban: df -i will show the number of inodes used |
| 21:06.08 | Zer | Well, they don't have an option to disable dnsmasq, I think because they assume any 'isolated virtual network' would want to use DHCP or at least DNS |
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| 21:06.41 | dserban | jelly-home, ahh, yes the tb uses more inodes, why would that be? |
| 21:06.55 | jelly-home | dserban: how much more? |
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| 21:07.19 | dserban | jelly-home, 58613760 vs 61054976 |
| 21:07.29 | jelly-home | dserban: hpmh |
| 21:07.29 | xsdg | jelly-home: at long last. The rest of the setup went smoothly. Now I'm compiling firefox while playing some music over sshfs over wifi |
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| 21:07.52 | jelly-home | xsdg: haven't you heard about nfs! |
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| 21:08.38 | vulcan | hey guys |
| 21:08.39 | jelly-home | dserban: did you restart the copy processes more times? If you used rsync, did you use --delete properly? |
| 21:08.57 | vulcan | I'm having a lot of trouble with mod_rewrite and AllowOverride FileInfo Options |
| 21:09.07 | vulcan | does anyone have a few minutes to help me out? |
| 21:09.15 | xsdg | jelly-home: hehe; I've tended to shy away from NFS over the past couple years just because there's so much machinery involved |
| 21:09.16 | dserban | jelly-home, I guess I could tar most of the data, as it's archival stuff, but losing ~30gb of space seems like a lot |
| 21:09.26 | dserban | jelly-home, nope it was a single cp -a |
| 21:09.40 | xsdg | jelly-home: and for what little I do, sshfs works (and especially since I can mindlessly use it over the Internet) |
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| 21:10.22 | jelly-home | dserban: you can do a rsync -n to see if rsync would copy more files. |
| 21:10.32 | aronofsky | hi guys, I need to crypt a password using sha1 hash ... how can I do that from my debian box |
| 21:10.45 | hochron | I think I've got viruses on here |
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| 21:10.55 | paradoxmonkey | Have anyone tried dsl_qos_queue? |
| 21:11.04 | dserban | jelly-home, I'm not understanding what you mean by "copy more files", though I'll give it a shot |
| 21:11.08 | jelly-home | aronofsky: man mkpasswd |
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| 21:11.25 | jelly-home | dserban: eg. if there were any missing on the destination |
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| 21:11.46 | lenswipe|debian | hey guys |
| 21:11.54 | lenswipe|debian | does iceweasel come with java? |
| 21:11.58 | jelly-home | aronofsky: and from there, man 3 crypt |
| 21:12.02 | lenswipe|debian | because i cant get any java applets to run |
| 21:12.11 | dserban | jelly-home, doesn't look like there were any missing on the destination, the filecount and total du is the same, it just uses more inodes on the single drive. |
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| 21:12.36 | hochron | I download something I (probably) shouldn't have downloaded, tweaked it numerous time... The update available applet came up I clicked it and it installed crucial programs |
| 21:12.45 | jelly-home | dserban: oh well |
| 21:13.02 | lenswipe|debian | java applets wont run iceweasel |
| 21:13.10 | lenswipe|debian | does iceweasel come with java out of the box? |
| 21:13.14 | jelly-home | aronofsky: if you however don't want crypt(3) compatibility, but just a sha1 checksum of some data, pipe your stuff to sha1sum |
| 21:13.16 | lenswipe|debian | or do i have to download and configure java myself? |
| 21:13.38 | Autoscum | lenswipe|debian, yeah you gotta download java. |
| 21:13.49 | jelly-home | !tell lenswipe|debian about install java |
| 21:13.49 | lenswipe|debian | Autoscum: ok cool where do i get it from? |
| 21:13.49 | aronofsky | jelly-home: I tried but i didn't find the right syntax |
| 21:13.55 | hochron | My question is, is it possible to download malicious update if my /etc/apt/source.list looks ok? |
| 21:13.57 | lenswipe|debian | is it in the repos? |
| 21:14.02 | dserban | jelly-home, so i should try the rsync anyway? |
| 21:14.26 | jelly-home | aronofsky: sorry, I won't read the manual for you |
| 21:14.26 | imganquan | lenswipe|debian: cd ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 21:14.44 | imganquan | lenswipe|debian: ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 21:14.44 | Autoscum | lenswipe|debian, I've no idea. :( lol |
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| 21:15.57 | jelly-home | aronofsky: also, you didn't explain which one you wanted, the crypt(3) salted hash, or just a sha1 checksum. Perhaps providing more context would help us help you |
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| 21:16.00 | imganquan | lenswipe|debian: make sure you had installed java. |
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| 21:16.39 | aronofsky | jelly-home: it's ok, pipe through sha1sum is OK, thx |
| 21:16.44 | abrotman | imganquan: your command doesn't work ? |
| 21:17.05 | hochron | is there anyway to get a history for aptitude??? or is it apt-get? |
| 21:17.08 | jelly-home | aronofsky: watch out not to pipe the \n at the end of a line |
| 21:17.14 | imganquan | abrotman: it works fine on my laptop. |
| 21:17.23 | nvz | so this is what my dmesg looked like after the video started crapping out on me.. http://paste.debian.net/58260/ this was with the i915 driver, LVDS turned off, using external display, watching hulu in IW |
| 21:17.35 | abrotman | imganquan: you didn't link it to anything ? |
| 21:17.41 | jelly-home | aronofsky: ie. echo "foo" | sha1sum - isn't the same as echo -n "foo" | sha1sum - |
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| 21:18.55 | aronofsky | jelly-home: yeah you're right, thx for the tip |
| 21:19.02 | imganquan | abrotman: hehe .just run ls -l in .mozilla/plugins ,you will figure out whick file had linked. |
| 21:19.07 | hochron | did I screwed up my freshly installed system? |
| 21:19.11 | dserban | if anyone here uses jfs, could you tell me if support in debian has improved? (ie. no going into single user mode to fsck the disk manually if the system lost power) ?? |
| 21:19.20 | abrotman | imganquan: you told him 'ln -s' |
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| 21:20.19 | imganquan | abrotman: ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 21:20.24 | xsdg | !tell me about debian multimedia |
| 21:20.30 | abrotman | gives up |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | !tell xsdg about selftell |
| 21:20.44 | imganquan | abrotman: can not you see the second line? |
| 21:20.46 | craigevil | shouldnt have to symlink java if you used aptitude to install it |
| 21:20.57 | abrotman | imganquan: there isn't one |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | craigevil: well, there's that too |
| 21:21.12 | imganquan | abrotman: OK. I'm sorry. |
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| 21:21.22 | imganquan | abrotman: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 21:21.26 | imganquan | /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 21:21.45 | imganquan | link to this file .then your iceweasel can run java applets |
| 21:21.50 | abrotman | that's .. dumb |
| 21:21.54 | abrotman | anyways .. |
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| 21:22.48 | imganquan | abrotman: still can not see the filename? |
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| 21:22.54 | abrotman | imganquan: you're doing it wrong |
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| 21:23.34 | klootzak | hello |
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| 21:24.17 | imganquan | abrotman: OK. My iceweasel can not run Java applets, after I link this file to .mozilla/plugins , the Java applet worked. |
| 21:24.28 | klootzak | i try to get back into screen with "screen -Urd" but it doesnt go in anymore, is there away to stop a screen session from outside screen? |
| 21:24.41 | abrotman | klootzak: -URd ? |
| 21:24.49 | klootzak | capital R? |
| 21:24.53 | imganquan | abrotman: please show me the right way. thank you. |
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| 21:25.27 | paradoxmonkey | Can someone explain or point to some resource talking about dsl/cable modem buffers? (saturating upload = more latency |
| 21:25.42 | abrotman | klootzak: it will detach a currently running screen so you can reattach to it |
| 21:25.46 | craigevil | imganquan: all you should need to do is aptitude install sun-java6-plugin, nothing else is needed, works here in iceweasel, midori, uzbl, opera |
| 21:25.59 | klootzak | it gets stuck :s |
| 21:26.15 | klootzak | both -Urd and -URd |
| 21:26.19 | imganquan | craigevil: Thank you! I know the right way now. Thank you very much. |
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| 21:27.17 | abrotman | imganquan: while your way works for your user, it wouldn't work for the other people on your machine |
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| 21:28.00 | imganquan | abrotman: thanks man. I'm sorry. |
| 21:28.08 | newsense | how can i tell what vuild options were used in a package ? |
| 21:28.19 | newsense | s/vuild/build |
| 21:28.50 | newsense | and if there were any patches |
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| 21:29.39 | Armageddon | how can I share internet from wireless through a lan network ? |
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| 21:30.56 | nvz | I'm pondering updating my Xorg. or can I somehow just update the mesa and intel-dri without getting a whole new xorg? I'd really rather keep Lenny on this netbook than upgrading to sid, but it seems apparent the stuff in lenny isn't going to resolve this video issue |
| 21:31.48 | newsense | !ip_forward |
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| 21:32.05 | nvz | newsense: dpkg is horridly slow today |
| 21:32.11 | newsense | ahhh |
| 21:32.11 | abrotman | newsense: msg the bot |
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| 21:32.20 | nvz | newsense: try /msg apt |
| 21:32.29 | jelly-home | apt: test |
| 21:32.30 | apt | Failed! |
| 21:32.45 | abrotman | nvz: apt's database is so out of date .. useless |
| 21:32.56 | hochron | how can I change PATH for a normal user? |
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| 21:33.08 | abrotman | hochron: permanently? just for one user? |
| 21:33.15 | hochron | yep |
| 21:33.16 | nvz | abrotman: dpkg needs updating too. I've been hinting to Don about that, but haven't seen him in a long time |
| 21:33.21 | abrotman | $HOME/.bashrc |
| 21:33.29 | abrotman | nvz: updating about what? |
| 21:33.33 | nvz | abrotman: dpkg still thinks etch is stable |
| 21:33.39 | abrotman | so change it |
| 21:33.47 | nvz | abrotman: when you do !info and whatnot its all outdated |
| 21:33.54 | abrotman | when you do what? |
| 21:33.58 | newsense | how can i tell for example if eggdrop was built with ssl support or not ? |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | newsense: look at the depends |
| 21:34.35 | nvz | abrotman: if I do !info package stable, it pulls up etch.. and if you try do squeeze it has no clue what you're talking about |
| 21:34.42 | hochron | I dont seem to have that file... I have .bash_history |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | nvz: uhm .. it worked a day or two ago .. |
| 21:35.00 | abrotman | thinks anyways .. |
| 21:35.08 | nvz | abrotman: idk, maybe he got my message and fixed it *shrug* |
| 21:35.10 | abrotman | hochron: how did you create the user? |
| 21:35.11 | hochron | I have /root/.bashrc abrotman |
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| 21:35.34 | hochron | I created it with installation |
| 21:35.54 | abrotman | hochron: then that user should have a .bashrc |
| 21:37.11 | hochron | hmmm, I change /root/.bashrc, but it did not change the PATH for the user... maybe I should restart it, not sure.... |
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| 21:38.21 | hochron | I created some partitions in th ~ dir before I made the user, could that have screwed it up? |
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| 21:41.22 | hochron | Im gonna restart, thank you abrotman |
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| 21:45.04 | jelly-home | partitions... in the ~ dir? |
| 21:45.17 | jelly-home | apt: confuse me |
| 21:45.18 | apt | no those are our pants tomorrow ? |
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| 21:45.21 | Da_Wrecka | It hurts my brain |
| 21:45.35 | jelly-home | apt: you suck |
| 21:45.36 | apt | and very well I might add |
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| 21:46.58 | tiziouzou | hi, someone can link a good tutorial to install debian from an usb drive ? |
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| 21:47.03 | tiziouzou | debian squeeze* |
| 21:47.12 | Autoscum | tiziouzou, Unetbootin. |
| 21:47.36 | Autoscum | It's got a "net" install, so it downloads and installs everything from a booted setup. |
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| 21:48.09 | tiziouzou | with liveusb, i can next install debian live in a persistent way to my hdd ? |
| 21:48.13 | tiziouzou | okok |
| 21:48.17 | tiziouzou | thanks Autoscum |
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| 21:48.37 | tiziouzou | Autoscum: i will choose the version of debian ? |
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| 21:49.04 | brokensys | 'scuse my dumbness, how do i "run" a .sh from CLI? |
| 21:49.06 | tiziouzou | okey yes, it is listed on the its website |
| 21:49.30 | Autoscum | tiziouzou, yeah. :) |
| 21:49.37 | Autoscum | brokensys, "sh file" |
| 21:49.40 | brokensys | spent too much on windows... sigh |
| 21:49.45 | tiziouzou | brokensys: sh script.sh / or ./script.sh if there is a shebang |
| 21:49.45 | brokensys | Autoscum: thank you |
| 21:49.47 | Autoscum | brokensys, or... ./file |
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| 21:52.01 | abrotman | !tell tiziouzou about usb install |
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| 21:52.32 | brokensys | if i install the latest jdk using a non-apt method, how do i verify that it has installed? just "java --version"? |
| 21:52.43 | brokensys | abrotman: hey dude, how's things? |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | hiya |
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| 21:53.40 | abrotman | brokensys: verify for what usage? |
| 21:53.49 | abrotman | and why wouldn't you install it via apt ? |
| 21:53.54 | brokensys | Android development |
| 21:54.28 | brokensys | i am running an amd64, so wanted the 64 bit SDK, or was that not necessary? |
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| 21:54.52 | pasteeater | why am i getting update notifications for "stable-proposed-updates", for example mysql-dfsg-5.0 (5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1). My sources.list: http://pastebin.com/m62ad65f0 |
| 21:54.53 | tiziouzou | abrotman: nice debian bot :) |
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| 21:55.13 | abrotman | pasteeater: see /topic |
| 21:55.50 | jez9999 | Hi. I just installed Debian using a USB drive over the internet, but when the system boots now, it just locks up. i guess i'm meant to see a grub screen. when i boot into my other linux install it seems to have created all the debian file system stuff ok, so the bootloader is broken or something. is there a way i can check why it's locking up? |
| 21:56.22 | jelly-home | pasteeater: "apt-cache policy packagename" will show which repo a particulat verison is coming from |
| 21:58.05 | mike-burns | I remember people talking about the Intel video driver in testing and how it was screwing with VTs. Did anyone find a workaround for this? |
| 21:58.22 | pasteeater | i see. thanks. |
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| 22:01.17 | abrotman | mike-burns: it works fine here on multiple machines |
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| 22:01.52 | brokensys | if you do a "aptitude search java", it returns all the java-packages, but what are the preceeding switches or options? ie "p java-wrappers"? |
| 22:02.16 | mike-burns | abrotman: If you go to VT1 then back to X, it still works? |
| 22:02.52 | abrotman | sure |
| 22:02.59 | abrotman | brokensys: man aptitude |
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| 22:03.21 | brokensys | abrotman: did |
| 22:03.47 | abrotman | it tells you |
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| 22:04.21 | brokensys | abrotman: er yes, i be dense, thanks |
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| 22:10.25 | turtle^s0up | Does VLC on KDE require you to install gconf? |
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| 22:11.05 | abrotman | dbbolton: do NOT do that |
| 22:11.36 | dbbolton | what |
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| 22:11.56 | dbbolton | whois or version |
| 22:11.59 | chops1 | So if I've deployed a proprietary tomcat app via a context in /var/lib/tomcat5.5/conf/Catalina/localhost (pointing at the original .war file), and I need to edit some of the configuration of the app, the right thing is to unzip the .war file, modify the configuration, rezip it up, put it back in place of the original .war, and then restart tomcat. Right? |
| 22:12.08 | abrotman | dbbolton: CTCP people |
| 22:12.30 | brokensys | abrotman: he was just trying to "feel" you up |
| 22:12.36 | abrotman | he's trying to get kicked |
| 22:12.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | chops1: hows is that a #debian question? ask whoever you got the app from |
| 22:12.45 | brokensys | abrotman: so be it |
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| 22:13.09 | chops1 | Kamping_Kaiser: It's a question about the behavior of tomcat |
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| 22:13.30 | brokensys | i just did man aptitude and noticed some font issues, how can i ID the exact issue? |
| 22:13.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | chops1: then its still not a debian question. imo, of course. |
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| 22:16.25 | znull | any ideea how can I install php on lenny without suhosin ? |
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| 22:17.14 | nevyn | suhosin? |
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| 22:17.37 | znull | yes |
| 22:17.51 | znull | nevyn : PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny4 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Nov 22 2009 02:38:03) |
| 22:18.23 | chops1 | znull: I'm not sure, but it may be difficult... why don't you want the suhosin patch? |
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| 22:19.28 | LuciusMare | lolwut? |
| 22:19.30 | znull | i'm getting some errors: file-access is disabled in the server configuration in "/home/bla/bla.php" |
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| 22:19.39 | LuciusMare | E: Package git has no installation candidate |
| 22:19.45 | agike | Could you possibly direct me to where I can dowload linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 as a .deb ? |
| 22:19.52 | znull | allow_url_fopen = On hmm |
| 22:20.00 | chops1 | agike: aptitude download |
| 22:20.29 | znull | allow_url_fopen it's on .. so something else it's blocking my php scripts (suhosin I think) |
| 22:20.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | LuciusMare: what git do you want? |
| 22:20.40 | agike | chops1: I have a kernel conflicting with udev and apt-get is frozen. |
| 22:20.43 | Thurin1 | Is it possible to have two separate clean installs of Debian/Lenny be less stable? |
| 22:20.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | LuciusMare: you might be after git-core |
| 22:20.52 | LuciusMare | hm |
| 22:20.57 | LuciusMare | i just want the git to get the code |
| 22:21.03 | Thurin1 | My first install was stable as a rock, second time less so -- could the mirrors be an issue? |
| 22:21.05 | chops1 | znull: Disabling suhosin wouldn't be the first place I would look to debug that |
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| 22:21.24 | chops1 | agike: Org -- upgraded to testing from stable did you? :-( |
| 22:21.35 | znull | chops1 : can I paste you in prv the link? |
| 22:21.52 | chops1 | agike: That's been a known bug for long enough that I would check the BTS to see if there's a known workaround or recovery technique |
| 22:22.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | LuciusMare: git the revision control system though. yes? git-core |
| 22:22.35 | agike | chops1: Heh. Installed lenny, trying to install a more recent stable kernel, changed sources.list to squeeze. |
| 22:22.36 | chops1 | znull: If you like |
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| 22:23.07 | benedikt | anybody have a problem with abiword and overlapping characters? |
| 22:23.10 | agike | chops1: BTS ? |
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| 22:23.44 | chops1 | !tell agike about BTS |
| 22:24.00 | agike | BTS |
| 22:24.06 | agike | !BTS |
| 22:24.11 | chops1 | ~bts |
| 22:24.12 | apt | rumour has it, bts is a bug tracking system, or http://bugs.kde.org |
| 22:24.20 | chops1 | Ugh |
| 22:24.35 | agike | Thought so .. |
| 22:25.06 | chops1 | apt: bts is Please check the Debian bug tracking system at http://bugs.debian.org before reporting bugs in testing or sid -- it's more likely to help you than IRC users are. If you don't find your issue please consider reporting it. |
| 22:25.07 | apt | ...but bts is already something else... |
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| 22:25.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt: forget bts |
| 22:25.28 | chops1 | apt: bts is Please check the Debian bug tracking system at http://bugs.debian.org before reporting bugs in testing or sid -- it's more likely to help you than IRC users are. If you don't find your issue please consider reporting it. |
| 22:25.29 | apt | ...but bts is already something else... |
| 22:25.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt: no bts is Please check the Debian bug tracking system at http://bugs.debian.org before reporting bugs in testing or sid -- it's more likely to help you than IRC users are. If you don't find your issue please consider reporting it. |
| 22:25.37 | apt | Kamping_Kaiser: okay |
| 22:25.38 | chops1 | Kamping_Kaiser: Sorry, I'm not terribly familiar with the bots |
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| 22:25.41 | the_lalelu | ;) |
| 22:25.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | chops1: thats ok. neither am i. |
| 22:25.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt: bts |
| 22:25.52 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is Please check the Debian bug tracking system at http://bugs.debian.org before reporting bugs in testing or sid -- it's more likely to help you than IRC users are. If you don't find your issue please consider reporting it. |
| 22:26.06 | chops1 | apt: Excellent work, keep it up! |
| 22:27.04 | krimchou | hi, |
| 22:27.16 | agike | chops1, apt: thanks |
| 22:27.31 | krimchou | still couldn't acces to my graphic session but in root or new user i can, |
| 22:27.34 | agike | .. but which one of you is human ? |
| 22:28.21 | krimchou | can someone help me about the steps bestween xinit and openbox for exemple? |
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| 22:29.42 | agike | Umm .. my advice was "download current squeeze kernel, install with dpkg, reboot, apt-get ..", but can't find the deb. |
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| 22:31.02 | agike | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net .. is down |
| 22:31.31 | chops1 | agike: Ah, I see. Try http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 22:31.59 | chops1 | agike: I'm surprised that 'aptitude download' doesn't work if there are broken packages, but p.d.o should also work fine |
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| 22:33.25 | hesco | what package do I want for latex ??? |
| 22:33.44 | chops1 | hesco: apt-cache search latex |
| 22:34.22 | hesco | did that and see several screens full of possibilities. |
| 22:34.40 | hesco | not sure which one(s) would provide me the basic installation |
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| 22:35.51 | chops1 | hesco: Looks like texlive-latex-base (apt-file search /usr/bin/latex) |
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| 22:36.01 | hesco | thanks chops |
| 22:36.26 | chops1 | hesco: np |
| 22:36.27 | schlurchz | I guess latex is not a single package :) |
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| 22:36.56 | schlurchz | (unless you're confident pulling the whole texlive thing) |
| 22:37.27 | chops1 | schlurchz: No, and from the packages it looks like it might be one of those java-style monsters that's a sort of Frankenstein of competing, cooperating, and slightly overlapping implementations. Fun stuff. |
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| 22:37.34 | hesco | someone on the #latex channel is also recommending texlive as well |
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| 22:37.37 | tensorpudding | texlive-* is fun stuff |
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| 22:37.47 | tensorpudding | err, aptitude install texlive-* |
| 22:38.44 | tensorpudding | texlive has been the standard tex package for linux for a couple years now |
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| 22:39.45 | GUERREROEmeren | kaeser_notebook zink sativouf StarG Alam_Squeeze vestige_ TrueDD schlurchz HYPOCRISY ovidiu sednogmah salvin yoruk blank_ infernix Natovr oblu bkjoe margiolas-- atomiku|out Blaize Slicer-Lappy Sia-- valczir `deb Smerdyakov humbolt gusto amphi Oxy-D HuNt3r xand kaziem Yvonne nightmare rob_79 niklaswe Cain acidslep fale confusid Knorrie Spami|Thug JStoker Da_Wrecka joneal contrains thrashold newsense pingouin GeetarJake Yarcanox zophy Holborn F6F |
| 22:39.45 | GUERREROEmeren | sdx23 macrobat Mordbrann abchirk_ nitrile nse jamon Sibul sunkan deb` jham ari-tczew Mr_Deffy sassytomato kabniel epsilon Cueball tdn Multiply _theradar cron0 XLV Agiofws_ tempeldirne znull slummer mjmt rudi_s_ Texou Dbug jareth_ kompulsive AimHere NoNaMeNo skule puty paissad_ afurlan Zylvain ga_bash MrNaz elbing grul obcecado Anubisss vev abrotman yogurt2ungue esteeven mischief jimcooncat Clecio pbn mo2000 brotakku Ergo^ DDave Faithful paja lataffe |
| 22:39.45 | GUERREROEmeren | seanw DjMadness Kvant niko pierrep Meise forfolias acemi shingouz Cybertinus iViLe chomwitt ArtemD gigo bbelt16ag Glebelg DisasteR sauvin bullgard4 vinc456 HackeMate Selveste1 ranix res22 Zharf p0g0__ Azrael_- tensorpudding eagles0513875 zerohero charitwo elenril Posterdati izro yehezkel arctanx xingu SolarisBoy beawesomeinstead omgwtfbbqhax CellKill jorizma Amorphous LoRez mentor emma f00li5h Bastihase TrickFinlay2 xlotlu SauLus_ up365 bolt |
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| 22:39.45 | GUERREROEmeren | Astroman colby neoark wahooooo fignew 16SAAAAZE topi` jayne nooper Superbartt apt CalJohn @debhelper Wyzard peterS JohnDoh jabular KRF docgnome timburke kingsley DerGuteMoritz dejones cire th0ger lnostdal SerajewelKS ineiros blizzow JPT nutron cipherz tazle scorche ColdFyre vader-- Phenox_ Caelum liable qwd SethX Sm0ke0ut phorce1 Dibbler HardDisk_WP psy_ MoDaX bzrk gordonjcp cdngfrog rdz buu asg jhutchins adb CompWizrd petemc SPF dkr Will slon |
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| 22:39.45 | wikerwan | jamon Sibul sunkan deb` jham ari-tczew Mr_Deffy sassytomato kabniel epsilon Cueball tdn Multiply _theradar cron0 XLV Agiofws_ tempeldirne znull slummer mjmt rudi_s_ Texou Dbug jareth_ kompulsive AimHere NoNaMeNo skule puty paissad_ afurlan Zylvain ga_bash MrNaz elbing grul obcecado Anubisss vev abrotman yogurt2ungue esteeven mischief jimcooncat Clecio pbn mo2000 brotakku Ergo^ DDave Faithful paja lataffe seanw DjMadness Kvant niko pierrep Meise forfolia |
| 22:39.46 | wikerwan | acemi shingouz Cybertinus iViLe chomwitt ArtemD gigo bbelt16ag Glebelg DisasteR sauvin bullgard4 vinc456 HackeMate Selveste1 ranix res22 Zharf p0g0__ Azrael_- tensorpudding eagles0513875 zerohero charitwo elenril Posterdati izro yehezkel arctanx xingu SolarisBoy beawesomeinstead omgwtfbbqhax CellKill jorizma Amorphous LoRez mentor emma f00li5h Bastihase TrickFinlay2 xlotlu SauLus_ up365 bolt debio264 sekrit xsdg HSorgYves phinaliumz sshc ravenbird |
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| 22:39.51 | SQlvpapir | oh stfu |
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| 22:39.54 | brotakku | ... |
| 22:39.56 | shahri | wow |
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| 22:40.01 | shahri | hi brotakku :D |
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| 22:40.09 | brotakku | MENSCH SHAHARI! |
| 22:40.11 | brotakku | WIE GEHTS DIR? |
| 22:40.13 | JPT | Oo |
| 22:40.14 | Brenden-- | ... |
| 22:40.14 | Brenden-- | . |
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| 22:40.15 | shahri | ganz gut |
| 22:40.16 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:40.17 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 22:40.17 | JPT | was geht mit euch |
| 22:40.17 | shahri | lol JPT auch |
| 22:40.18 | JPT | :D |
| 22:40.18 | shahri | wtfff |
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| 22:40.24 | shahri | vor allem sind wir 3 als einzige aktiv |
| 22:40.25 | shahri | krank! |
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| 22:40.31 | abrotman | shahri: english here |
| 22:40.36 | JPT | sry |
| 22:40.40 | shahri | yes, sorry |
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| 22:40.48 | untonowar | untonowar sivel zepp^ Dominian _saw floe bier_ hesco dpkg numen a2 Ninjix__ fr33k cahoot Theoden xpk agike LuciusMare Thurin1 eean nevyn krimchou dKingston nosebinary chops1 jelly-hme pheaver manuel__2 liquid usn apelgate andash yomguy jetblack Qew CalebRipley katyl D-HUND cjns3274 jillsmitt_ tomaw bastiandg jan247 lucascoala daBomb69 ITXpander guk dimir blakkheim visof msaizar Matic`Makovec streuner smacnay Tramp nvz paissad gentgeen__ SQ |
| 22:40.48 | xand | madness |
| 22:40.48 | untonowar | CodeNinja TiMiDo Lorvija cafuego GhostInTheShell Zer BfrOv3rfl0w MrFahrenheit lyakh reber imganquan igno Joogle RedWar fatalerrors linXea kloeri radoe_ gemmer objorn wishe1 craigevil yareckon budo pipeline Autoscum amsterdam jvogel nick_h Chris7mas tntc Kuzavas meiskam brokensys alokat TomasuAway Devastator remote HarryS G_O_D vici0us KB1JWQ Sergio` shahri jetblack|laptop nkuttler ryan-c AmokPaule kaeser_notebook zink sativouf StarG Alam_S |
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| 22:40.49 | untonowar | iViLe chomwitt ArtemD gigo bbelt16ag Glebelg DisasteR sauvin bullgard4 vinc456 HackeMate Selveste1 ranix res22 Zharf p0g0__ Azrael_- tensorpudding eagles0513875 zerohero charitwo elenril Posterdati izro yehezkel arctanx xingu SolarisBoy beawesomeinstead omgwtfbbqhax CellKill jorizma Amorphous LoRez mentor emma f00li5h Bastihase TrickFinlay2 xlotlu SauLus_ up365 bolt debio264 sekrit xsdg HSorgYves phinaliumz sshc ravenbird simonrvn eeg3 cyb |
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| 22:40.51 | shahri | we were not planning on having a longer conversation |
| 22:40.52 | Natovr | D: |
| 22:40.53 | Natovr | kbai. |
| 22:40.59 | jelly-hme | I see they're falling back on old tactics |
| 22:41.00 | shahri | also, what the fuck is going on? |
| 22:41.06 | tensorpudding | spammers |
| 22:41.07 | abrotman | shahri: do you need debian help? |
| 22:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you were JUST talking about fun stuff |
| 22:41.13 | reber | weeee, spam is back |
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| 22:41.19 | roe | I have been woken from my slumber, someone is going to pay |
| 22:41.38 | newsense | looks around |
| 22:41.39 | shahri | abrotman: no, we were just having a _really_ short talk on how the 3 of us are active here at this moment |
| 22:41.44 | macrobat | and here i thought the new freenode was spam free :) |
| 22:41.47 | shahri | since we know each other from elsewhere |
| 22:41.49 | shahri | so it was quite funny |
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| 22:42.19 | schlurchz | chops1: seems that it's actually a good idea to go for the plain texlive package. The real monster is the texlive-full package, apparently |
| 22:42.20 | JPT | macrobat: the ctcp spam with javascript is what the new freenode ircd got rid of... |
| 22:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, hooray... |
| 22:43.07 | sshc | roe: while benevolent idiots have the capibility to and are pinging you, you should turn off your ping, at least while you're sleeping. |
| 22:43.15 | Levia | abrotman: If this continues, I recommend setting +q $~a (disallow unregistered from typing in the channel) |
| 22:43.42 | sshc | you can do it now |
| 22:43.56 | tensorpudding | they'd still be able to do /nick spam |
| 22:44.02 | abrotman | Levia: so r/R is dead? |
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| 22:44.10 | sshc | abrotman: they're not dead or alive |
| 22:44.10 | xand | r isn't, R is |
| 22:44.14 | Levia | abrotman: it just got replaced. |
| 22:44.26 | abrotman | sshc: i wasn't asking you or talking about whatever thing you're talking about |
| 22:44.26 | sshc | abrotman: r exists, and R has been removed since it can already be done by someting else |
| 22:44.53 | sshc | <@abrotman> Levia: so r/R is dead? |
| 22:45.06 | sshc | ^ you were talking about what I was talking about, which was the r/R flags |
| 22:45.21 | abrotman | and the lovely 'Using the network' hasn't been updated |
| 22:45.21 | ravenbird | sshc: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:45.36 | sshc | abrotman: yes it has |
| 22:45.39 | sshc | abrotman: it's been updated for a long time |
| 22:45.46 | roe | sshc, can I do it on a per channel basis? |
| 22:45.52 | Levia | abrotman: Please check here: http://freenode.net/seven-for-hyperion-users.html for more info on the changes |
| 22:46.10 | abrotman | sshc: it has nothing about +q $~a that i see |
| 22:46.36 | sshc | abrotman: it documents +q |
| 22:46.45 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 22:46.55 | xand | sshc: it doesn't say how to quiet unregisterd users does it? |
| 22:46.58 | sshc | abrotman: they have $~a somewhere else multiple times on their blog / other sites |
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| 22:47.06 | xand | oh it does |
| 22:47.07 | sshc | other places on their site |
| 22:47.14 | xand | in the +r bit |
| 22:47.19 | abrotman | sshc: great .. so as i said .. the page that says "Using the network" has NOT been updated |
| 22:47.29 | xand | abrotman: it has :) |
| 22:47.32 | sshc | abrotman: that's wrong; it *has* ben updated |
| 22:47.33 | Levia | abrotman: +r (block unidentified) This mode prevents users who are not identified to NickServ from joining the channel. Users will receive a server notice explaining this if they try to join. '/mode +q $~a' can be used to prevent unregistered users from speaking in channel while allowing them to join (old +R behaviour). |
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| 22:47.46 | abrotman | yeah .. putting it in the +q wouldn't make any sense .. |
| 22:47.53 | xand | yeah should be in there |
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| 22:48.19 | sshc | roe: I'm not sure how to configure your client to disable ping (temporarily), but you can ask #xchat or google |
| 22:48.19 | mike-burns | abrotman: Re: the Intel driver I asked earlier: do you have KMS enabled? |
| 22:48.19 | simonrvn | as in /mode #debian +q $~a |
| 22:48.28 | simonrvn | ...i'm assuming |
| 22:48.31 | abrotman | mike-burns: if it's enabled in the normal squeeze stuff, then yes |
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| 22:49.26 | mike-burns | abrotman: I think it is; does /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf have it enabled? |
| 22:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( why does mike burn ) |
| 22:49.58 | sshc | abrotman: btw, the "Using the network" page was updated |
| 22:50.04 | sshc | it's been updated for a long time |
| 22:50.10 | Da_Wrecka | Is it me, or is the manpage for wpa_supplicant.conf COMPLETELY F'ING USELESS? |
| 22:50.20 | hdcase | wtf 35 debian updates today?? |
| 22:50.30 | mike-burns | Da_Wrecka: Just you. |
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| 22:50.48 | abrotman | hdcase: see /topic |
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| 22:51.14 | hdcase | is enlightened |
| 22:51.15 | Da_Wrecka | I'm trying to find out how to specify a BSSID in the conf file. And man wpa_supplicant.conf is totally useless in that respect |
| 22:51.31 | Da_Wrecka | It gives you an overview and some "quick examples", there's no detailed information about the options available at all |
| 22:51.34 | mike-burns | The "quick examples" section doesn't help? |
| 22:51.54 | Da_Wrecka | Seeing as it doesn't list any option that could be related to BSSID, no it doesn't |
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| 22:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think it's you |
| 22:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | this WAS a poll, right? RIGHT? |
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| 22:56.54 | jelly-hme | Da_Wrecka: you might find the readmes in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant more edifying |
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| 22:58.34 | agike | chops1: found the download, we'll see what happens. |
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| 22:59.17 | sednogmah | xsdg: i ended up building my package as a regular i386 & placing in an amd64 which unpacks it an copies the lib to /usr/lib32/ - using a debian-multimedia package as an example |
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| 22:59.54 | sednogmah | debian-multimedia has nice small ia32-libs examples, unlike the standard ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk monster (150-300 MB each) |
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| 23:04.11 | magyar | hi, why is squeeze kernel 32 has a "trunk" in the name? |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | magyar: it's not a stable ABI |
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| 23:06.55 | magyar | abrotman: first time I see a trunk prefix in teting |
| 23:06.58 | magyar | testing |
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| 23:07.17 | imganquan | abrotman: why insight disappears in sid? |
| 23:08.04 | ramiro | hi, I've just done the dumbness of doing sudo debian/rules clean, which apparently deleted my /usr/bin/sh and I can't even ls anymore. what guide should I read on how to fix my system? |
| 23:08.27 | themill | magyar: it's been in testing for 10 days or so and in unstable for almost 2 months |
| 23:08.36 | bolt | ramiro: the install manual, i think... |
| 23:08.56 | themill | ramiro: /usr/bin/sh shouldn't exist anyway. /bin/sh |
| 23:09.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ramiro, and debian/rules clean shouldn't change anything in your system |
| 23:09.30 | TomasuAway | I'm having a problem with grub2 in sid, it fails to detect the fs type, and won't install the core image. worse off, theres a grub-pc update, and it fails to finish because of it. |
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| 23:10.08 | bolt | TomasuAway: report a bug on it, if nothing is there yet |
| 23:10.20 | craigevil | TomasuAway: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23567437 |
| 23:10.31 | magyar | did something changed in 30 and 32 with virtualbox ose? |
| 23:10.51 | ramiro | themill: right. /bin/sh is there, but it seems to be a symlink, and I can't ls to see where it points because I don't have ls anymore =) |
| 23:11.12 | ramiro | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm reading through the code right now to see what exactly it did... |
| 23:11.25 | themill | ramiro: it will be a symlink to /bin/dash or /bin/bash. |
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| 23:11.54 | TomasuAway | bolt, craigevil, thanks. |
| 23:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd ramiro |
| 23:11.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ramiro? |
| 23:12.10 | TomasuAway | frustrating that grub keeps breaking like this. |
| 23:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you're slow |
| 23:12.42 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
| 23:12.44 | themill | TomasuAway: don't run sid? |
| 23:13.23 | Da_Wrecka | Does anyone know how I can change the command line used for wpa_supplicant in the startup scripts? I have no idea where it's being invoked from, no idea where to start looking and no idea what to google for. |
| 23:14.13 | craigevil | TomasuAway: if you already updated grub-pc you can downgrade to the version in testing, or if you trust the sidux devs they have a bug fix package |
| 23:14.18 | TomasuAway | themill: I dunno, it was great for a long time. only the past few months (maybe the past year?) has been really bad wrt broken packages |
| 23:14.27 | ramiro | CutMeOwnThroat: I had a package I was working on and wanted to clean up the source dir so I could grep only through the source code, but not through the .o files and such. so I thought sudo debian/rules clean would clean everything up. well, after that ls and such don't work anymore. I can't make any new ssh connections to the machine either. |
| 23:14.27 | mike-burns | Da_Wrecka: I don't know the answer to that, but I do want to mention the wpa_cli interactive program as something that may be helpful for you. |
| 23:14.33 | TomasuAway | craigevil: thanks |
| 23:14.45 | ramiro | CutMeOwnThroat: IIRC the clean rules was just dh_clean and make distclean. |
| 23:14.52 | Da_Wrecka | mike-burns: Unfortunately I already know about wpa_cli and it's not helping much. |
| 23:14.59 | mike-burns | Ah well. |
| 23:15.14 | Da_Wrecka | Even when I invoke wpa_supplicant myself with a specific config option, the reconfigure command in wpa_cli throws up FAIL |
| 23:15.20 | themill | ramiro: for future reference, you shouldn't be building as root, so sudo shouldn't ever be necessary. |
| 23:15.56 | ramiro | themill: I had already read that somewhere. just a moment of stupidty =( |
| 23:16.19 | ramiro | so /bin/dash and /bin/bash are there too, but I get this when I try to run them: No such file or directory |
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| 23:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | it shouldn't have done anything like that, though - and I still feel it probably hasn't and it was some other event |
| 23:16.47 | themill | ramiro: you didn't happen to install a new version of libc6 while you were building this package did you? |
| 23:16.54 | HYPOCRISY | hi |
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| 23:18.07 | ramiro | themill: the package was binutils |
| 23:18.26 | ramiro | actually a mingw32 cross binutils |
| 23:18.32 | themill | *sob* |
| 23:19.29 | n3hima | can anybody explain to me why the "user" option in fstab isn't doing what I'm expecting it to do (which is allow any user to mount the filesystem)? |
| 23:19.44 | hdcase | n3hima, I had the same issue |
| 23:20.07 | n3hima | hdcase: did you find a solution? |
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| 23:20.45 | hdcase | no, I can get the user to be able to read the mounted drive but not write or copy |
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| 23:21.00 | hdcase | I had to set 777 to the /mnt device name |
| 23:21.10 | n3hima | hdcase: surely that is a matter of permissions though on a linux fs? |
| 23:21.21 | ramiro | themill: /lib is empty =) |
| 23:21.26 | ramiro | heh, guess I'm screwed |
| 23:21.32 | n3hima | hdcase: if it's a permissionless filesystem then you can specify uid=1000 or whatever |
| 23:21.39 | hdcase | what I do now is just su root, nautilus & and then do copying, etc. as root |
| 23:21.41 | HYPOCRISY | that's a secret |
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| 23:23.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort themill |
| 23:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | slowly... |
| 23:24.02 | dpkg | There, there, themill. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:24.06 | jez9999 | ok... debian is now unable to start x server :-) |
| 23:24.11 | jez9999 | i have to full xorg logfile |
| 23:24.16 | jez9999 | http://pastebin.com/m3509bd28 |
| 23:24.26 | jez9999 | now, it is saying "Output VGA disconnected" which is correct; my onboard Innel graphics has a vga output and a DVI output, the latter of which is connected and what i want to use. |
| 23:24.29 | jez9999 | *Intel |
| 23:24.38 | jez9999 | how can i fix this? |
| 23:26.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3hima, what filesystem |
| 23:26.07 | jelly-hme | jez9999: what does "env DISPLAY=:0 xrandr" say? |
| 23:26.18 | jelly-hme | er, unable to start x server |
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| 23:26.29 | jelly-hme | that won't work then |
| 23:26.58 | RichiH | is there any cli download manager with a queue, start/stop/resume, parallel downloads and maybe even downloading files in several chunks at the same time? google gave me axel, which is pretty much like wget, only more verbose |
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| 23:27.29 | n3hima | CutMeOwnThroat: ext3 I believe |
| 23:27.34 | n3hima | possibly ext2 |
| 23:27.49 | jez9999 | i dont get why an older version of Ubuntu could start x server on this thing |
| 23:28.02 | jelly-hme | jez9999: sorry, that old driver doesn't seem to detect anything on the DVI port |
| 23:28.32 | hdcase | jez9999, I had the same problem with an Nvidia card two days ago...it was all down to the graphics drivers I needed |
| 23:28.32 | jez9999 | so how do i get one that works? |
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| 23:29.20 | jelly-hme | RichiH: lftp has parallel downloads (including parallel connections for one file) and jobs, dunno about queues |
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| 23:29.51 | jez9999 | im starting to wonder whether i should've gone with Debian unstable. |
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| 23:30.03 | jez9999 | this stuff is 2 years old and preventing you from displaying graphics, ffs |
| 23:30.19 | jelly-hme | jez9999: or testing perhaps |
| 23:30.35 | jez9999 | can i selectively upgrade the xorg package to the latest version? |
| 23:30.36 | jez9999 | or something? |
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| 23:30.50 | jez9999 | it has an internet connection through a cmdline shell |
| 23:30.51 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 23:31.01 | jelly-hme | jez9999: not really, you'll end up upgrading the important half of the system |
| 23:31.18 | pzn | Hi. I have many PCs in the network without pc speaker or audio. I'd like a simple program (similar to xmessage), but with ability of task-bar-blink to signalize important messages to my users. is there something ready to use? if I have to make, what do you recomment glade/c/gtk? |
| 23:31.23 | jez9999 | then can i upgrade the whole damn system? |
| 23:31.28 | jelly-hme | jez9999: you may choose to upgrade the whole thing, yes |
| 23:31.32 | jez9999 | how |
| 23:31.35 | jez9999 | how involved is it |
| 23:31.45 | jelly-hme | !tell jez9999 about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:32.04 | jelly-hme | jez9999: set aside a better part of a day at least |
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| 23:32.16 | jelly-hme | things will break and need fixing |
| 23:32.17 | jez9999 | lol |
| 23:32.34 | jez9999 | wonders whether reinstalling from scratch is more straightforward |
| 23:32.39 | jelly-hme | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 23:32.40 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.9.1-2 squeeze: 2:2.9.1-2 |
| 23:32.48 | mike-burns | I did lenny->squeeze yesterday. Took about two hours, including downloading everything. |
| 23:33.14 | jez9999 | there's also yet another bizarre problem when it fails to run the x server and crashes to the commandline. |
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| 23:33.21 | jez9999 | about every 3 keystrokes, i press a key and nothing happens. |
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| 23:33.27 | jez9999 | is that a known bug? :-) |
| 23:33.49 | jelly-hme | no, that's just weird |
| 23:33.57 | mike-burns | jez9999: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 23:34.51 | jelly-hme | jsut because it has a zillion bugs doesn't mean it doesn't work for some people! |
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| 23:35.10 | jez9999 | it works in Ubuntu....... |
| 23:36.12 | Tramp | jelly-hme: hmm, i just noted that xserver-xorg-core/commin on Squeeze upgraded (to v6, iirc) but a lot of drivers, like the 2 I use, are not yet that version (and thus not in squeeze). Thus I did not upgrade my squeeze |
| 23:36.33 | Tramp | (the 2 I use being mga and ivtv) |
| 23:36.49 | jez9999 | "Yeah that's probably not supported in this version of the driver, sorry. |
| 23:36.50 | jez9999 | I only backported minimal support for the G4x chipsets to the driver in |
| 23:36.50 | jez9999 | lenny. |
| 23:36.51 | jez9999 | ... |
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| 23:36.59 | jelly-hme | jez9999: ubuntu is more foolhardy with letting in newer versions of stuff and it often works to their benefit |
| 23:37.20 | jez9999 | i dont get why you cant selectively upgrade apckages tho |
| 23:37.23 | jez9999 | and leave the rest alone |
| 23:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can |
| 23:37.39 | Tramp | you sure can |
| 23:37.40 | jelly-hme | jez9999: because they depend on other newer packages, and it's an avalache |
| 23:37.50 | jelly-hme | n |
| 23:38.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course only, when dependencies allow that |
| 23:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, there wouldn't be a point |
| 23:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | except perhaps the point of "I like to break stuff deliberately" |
| 23:38.44 | jez9999 | what would happen if i tried to upgrade only xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 23:39.02 | jelly-hme | should you do that, you'd end up with 3/4 of newer xorg, newer libc6, udev and some console* stuff, newer kernel because of udev, and lots of stuff removed |
| 23:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can try... |
| 23:39.38 | Tramp | but I was really wondering if some people were not bitten by the face, that xserver-xorg-core/commen are updated happily while their drivers are removed |
| 23:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel -t testing" and you see what aptitude tells you it'll do |
| 23:39.41 | jelly-hme | and a half/half system that wouldn't be supported in ANY channel |
| 23:39.50 | Tramp | s/face/fact/ |
| 23:40.13 | jez9999 | how badly and often does stuff actually break with sid? |
| 23:40.24 | jelly-hme | Tramp: I'd be bitten by aptitude often if I was not looking what it told it would do |
| 23:40.24 | jez9999 | and cant you just get it working, then just update when you feel like it? |
| 23:40.25 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 23:40.31 | jez9999 | i mean you dont have to update all the time |
| 23:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | to all degrees and regularily |
| 23:40.44 | jelly-hme | jez9999: that's pretty much the idea with testing |
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| 23:40.59 | jez9999 | so what's the difference between that and sid |
| 23:41.04 | mike-burns | About 10 days. |
| 23:41.24 | jelly-hme | theoretically testing doesn't receive the utmost breakage |
| 23:41.35 | jez9999 | but if you only upgrade when you want to and you just get sid working ok, then you can only upgrade when you need to? |
| 23:41.55 | mike-burns | jez9999: Does testing not work for you? |
| 23:42.01 | jez9999 | im not on testing :-( |
| 23:42.07 | jez9999 | if i were i bet this video driver would work |
| 23:42.10 | mike-burns | Go to testing before going to unstable. |
| 23:42.18 | jez9999 | how hard from lenny to testing? |
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| 23:42.37 | abrotman | do not go to unstable |
| 23:42.43 | mike-burns | Took me about two hours yesterday, and I'm new to both Debian and Linux. |
| 23:42.57 | jelly-hme | thinks mike-burns got lucky |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | jez9999: do NOT use sid/unstable |
| 23:43.14 | themill | !sidsmite mike-burns |
| 23:43.20 | jez9999 | so how do i upgrade to testing? |
| 23:43.22 | dpkg | smacks mike-burns with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
| 23:43.23 | abrotman | not so awesome when it's delayed |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | !tell jez9999 about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... there were a lot of people coming in here lately where lenny->squeeze borked |
| 23:43.36 | jelly-hme | jez9999: dpkg should have told you the basics in a private message |
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| 23:43.45 | hdcase | lol @ borked |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah .. a few things are hosed |
| 23:43.55 | jelly-hme | abrotman: did tht 10 minutes ago! |
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| 23:44.26 | mike-burns | The only thing that could have screwed me if it borked was apt, so yes, I did luck out that apt isn't borked. |
| 23:44.29 | jelly-hme | that udev vs new kernel thing |
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| 23:44.59 | jelly-hme | !udev squeeze |
| 23:45.07 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 23:45.07 | jez9999 | judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 23:45.09 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6 sid: 2:2.9.1-2 squeeze: 2:2.9.1-2 |
| 23:45.17 | jez9999 | ^ so the testing 'squeeze' ver is the same as the sid ver |
| 23:45.19 | jez9999 | for that driver |
| 23:45.23 | jez9999 | ie. the latest |
| 23:45.27 | jelly-hme | jez9999: at the present time, yes |
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| 23:45.37 | jez9999 | might as well go for upgrade to squeeze then. sigh. |
| 23:45.55 | mike-burns | It's not very clear to me why testing isn't supported. |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | it is? |
| 23:46.16 | jelly-hme | abrotman: here? |
| 23:46.21 | mike-burns | It "is", but it's also a "if it breaks you get to keep the pieces" thing too. |
| 23:46.24 | abrotman | we help people all the time don't we ? |
| 23:46.32 | jelly-hme | doesn't |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | mike-burns: i heard MS does the same thing :) |
| 23:46.47 | mike-burns | Ha, are Linux people still at war with MS? |
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| 23:47.04 | iceroot | mike-burns: who is MS? |
| 23:47.07 | themill | mike-burns: if you're using the developer release then you're expected to be a developer who can (a) contribute fixes and (b) know how to fix it yourself. |
| 23:47.26 | mike-burns | themill: Yes, and that's what I'm questioning. |
| 23:47.29 | jez9999 | thaqt's curious. |
| 23:47.44 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Does anybody have any experience with lout (a typesetting engine)? Because I'm trying to add Russian support with no luck. How do I add Cyrillic PostScript fonts to the system? |
| 23:47.45 | themill | mike-burns: do you think we have the resources to basic handholding? |
| 23:47.48 | jez9999 | lenny is the latest version... yet its intel driver is 2:2.3.2-2 |
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| 23:47.57 | jez9999 | compared to testing's 2:2.9.1-2 |
| 23:48.01 | jelly-hme | jez9999: no +lenny6? |
| 23:48.02 | jez9999 | that's a massive difference |
| 23:48.07 | jez9999 | yeah +lenny6 |
| 23:48.08 | mike-burns | themill: You do for stable; why not instead do it for testing? |
| 23:48.26 | themill | mike-burns: there are *far* fewer problems so there's not much burden. |
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| 23:49.15 | jez9999 | if you upgrade to testing, say you get stuff working, does updating happen automatically? |
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| 23:49.20 | jez9999 | or do you have to prompt it/ |
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| 23:49.43 | jelly-hme | mike-burns: also, some people prefer stable. Frankly I'm having trouble keeping up with all the debian stable releases at work. |
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| 23:49.58 | jez9999 | jelly-hme: don't use DVI graphics, eh? ;-) |
| 23:50.08 | jelly-hme | mike-burns: most of our machines are still at etch (or worse ;-) |
| 23:50.26 | mike-burns | jelly-hme: Laptops? Servers? |
| 23:50.32 | jelly-hme | mike-burns: servers |
| 23:50.37 | mike-burns | OK, that makes more sense. |
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| 23:50.48 | jelly-hme | workstations are Windows |
| 23:51.09 | jez9999 | if you upgrade to testing, say you get stuff working, does updating happen automatically? |
| 23:51.29 | jelly-hme | jez9999: updating never happens autoamtically... unless you set it up so |
| 23:51.40 | jez9999 | right, so stuff only 'breaks all the time' if you choose it to |
| 23:51.40 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 23:51.44 | jelly-hme | yes |
| 23:52.02 | smacnay | anyone have a lot of xserver packages help up in sid? |
| 23:52.06 | smacnay | for a long time? |
| 23:52.13 | jelly-hme | or you have progressively more outdated system that will break more when it's finally updated |
| 23:52.32 | jelly-hme | smacnay: held? |
| 23:52.43 | smacnay | jelly-hme, dependency issues. |
| 23:52.55 | jelly-hme | smacnay: architecture? |
| 23:53.16 | smacnay | jelly-hme, it has been a few months like this - my system works but I start to wonder when packages are held up this long |
| 23:53.24 | smacnay | AMD64 |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | smacnay: done a full-upgrade ? |
| 23:54.03 | smacnay | abrotman, tried but I get a ton of error messages and issues resolving dependencies |
| 23:54.10 | smacnay | so I leave well enough alone |
| 23:54.27 | smacnay | let me see - there is a package that seems to cause most of this. |
| 23:54.30 | jez9999 | hmm |
| 23:54.35 | abrotman | smacnay: put your sources.list in a pastebin and the output of the 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 23:54.54 | themill | smacnay: the output of "apt-cache policy" might be handy too |
| 23:54.56 | jez9999 | once you've gone to squeeze, say after a while a 'stable' comes out that is newer than your current squeeze packages, i take it you cant switch back to that stable release? |
| 23:55.19 | JPT | how can i kill a process with the "D" state? |
| 23:55.20 | abrotman | jez9999: if your sources point at squeeze, you sohuld be on stable when squeeze is released as stable |
| 23:55.23 | LuserN800 | jez9999, that will not happen |
| 23:55.28 | smacnay | abrotman, themill , will do |
| 23:55.30 | abrotman | JPT: try the parent or reboot |
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| 23:55.37 | abrotman | LuserN800: uh .. squeeze gets released |
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| 23:55.52 | jez9999 | hang on.... |
| 23:55.52 | JPT | i'll have to reboot then i guess... parent is "init" :/ |
| 23:55.58 | jez9999 | squeeze is the name for the next stable ver of debian? |
| 23:56.12 | LuserN800 | you have to put testing in your source then you'll never have newest version |
| 23:56.23 | Arrowmaster | the only time 'stable' will ever have a newer package than 'squeeze' is when squeeze becomes oldstable |
| 23:56.49 | abrotman | LuserN800: he should put 'squeeze' in his sources |
| 23:56.50 | LuserN800 | http://nostarch.com/download/debian_ch04.pdf |
| 23:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jez9999, yes... and then a new name will be given to testing |
| 23:56.57 | jez9999 | abrotman: but when squeeze is released as stable wouldnt you immediately have to update your sources list? |
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| 23:57.03 | jez9999 | otherwise you'd start upgrading again? |
| 23:57.07 | abrotman | jez9999: not if oyu want to use stable |
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| 23:57.23 | jez9999 | so, before lenny was released, 'squeeze' was the 'testing' version? |
| 23:57.26 | jez9999 | sorry |
| 23:57.28 | abrotman | jez9999: which is why i'm telling you to point your sources at 'squeeze', not 'testing' |
| 23:57.30 | jez9999 | before lenny was released, 'lenny' was the 'testing' version? |
| 23:57.31 | LuserN800 | "once you've gone to squeeze, say after a while a 'stable' comes out that is newer than your current squeeze packages, i take it you cant switch back to that stable release?" abrotman that was about this strange question |
| 23:57.34 | Arrowmaster | if you put 'squeeze' in your sources.list instead of 'testing' it wouldnt try to update |
| 23:57.39 | ovidiu | can any admin to remove a ban? |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | LuserN800: i'm aware |
| 23:57.48 | abrotman | ovidiu: ban on what |
| 23:57.50 | themill | ovidiu: you'd need to convince us that you're going to turn of that away script first. You've been asked many times and been kicked and/or banned many times for it yet you keep using it... |
| 23:57.54 | jez9999 | i didnt realize that squeeze was a release name |
| 23:58.04 | abrotman | jez9999: before lenny was released, lenny was the testing version .. when lenny was testing, etch was stable .. |
| 23:58.08 | jez9999 | i thought it was your permemant name for teting, but you're telling me the next stable release will be called squeeze? |
| 23:58.15 | ovidiu | abrotman: on #debian... |
| 23:58.18 | themill | ovidiu: and yes, that's exactly the same answer you got last time you asked. You need to start reading things. |
| 23:58.29 | abrotman | jez9999: no, you're getting it confused ..'sid' is the permanent name for 'unstable' |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | !releases |
| 23:58.41 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:58.48 | ovidiu | themill: is OFF |
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| 23:59.22 | ovidiu | the /me thing is disabled |
| 23:59.24 | jez9999 | i see......... |
| 23:59.38 | jez9999 | so it would seem sensible to point to squeeze, then just wait for it to slowly become stable |
| 23:59.46 | ovidiu | so... |
| 23:59.53 | abrotman | jez9999: it won't "slowly" become stable .. it will be released |
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