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| 02:14.53 | Amarande | why do they keep bumping it to later? :| |
| 02:15.07 | Amarande | like I said, virtually every commercially sold font these days is ... get ready for it ... OTF |
| 02:15.29 | Amarande | or do they figure that those of us who use openoffice probably just use the same old ancient free fonts on into eternity without expanding our collection? :P |
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| 02:15.42 | lolufail | hi everyone! |
| 02:15.52 | Amarande | and that the people who actually buy any fonts probably use Windows and MS Word anyway? |
| 02:16.18 | Amarande | the issue is apparently specific to openoffice, since the other programs on Debian are perfectly happy with OTFs. |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | WE_Linker: you didn't even ask a question ? |
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| 02:17.09 | lolufail | a new machine aparantly tries to discover ipv6, but it's blocking the boot process... if I press ctrl-c, it continues, this is the log before ctrl-c: >>lo: Disabled Privacy Extensions<<, and this after: >>eth0: no IPv6 routers present<< |
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| 02:17.21 | lolufail | is my assumption correct? if yes, how do I disable ipv6? |
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| 02:17.38 | lolufail | I copied that machine from an ec2 image into a corporate network |
| 02:17.40 | Amarande | although ... I probably should see if it works with LaTeX |
| 02:17.54 | krisfremen | i dunno, but most of my fonts work with openoffice |
| 02:17.57 | WE_Linker | he, i have a question when i finish have installed gdm |
| 02:18.10 | krisfremen | and i'm pretty sure there's quite a few otf fonts in there |
| 02:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, looks like more than that - the way I see it, it's part of the installation procedure of virtualbox-ose-source and will automatically build on install (if you have the headers installed) - didn't have contact with it yet, though |
| 02:18.30 | Amarande | krisfremen: check to see if any otf fonts you're sure are installed properly are conspicuously missing |
| 02:18.41 | WE_Linker | when i reboot to the login window ,i can't use my keyboard and mouse ,who can help me |
| 02:18.49 | Amarande | at first, I thought I'd misconfiggled something, but I noticed that Procopius (Type 1) is there, but ITC Souvenir (OTF) is not |
| 02:18.55 | WE_Linker | abrotman: so,is that |
| 02:19.02 | Amarande | so it's clearly something to do with the OTFs, and specifically under OpenOffice, since Iceweasel sees them |
| 02:19.10 | rgr | WE_Linker: USB? |
| 02:19.25 | magyar | CutMeOwnThroat: i just did m-a, not sure why dkms is not installing it automatically |
| 02:19.38 | paissad | i would like to copy a dir to a destination, the dest dir must be exactly as the same as the source dir, that's why i used --delete option, but there is a dir in $destination i don't want to remove, which is backup dir ..... here is what i did to in order to test, but the matter is that this command does delete the backup dir i excluded ( --exclude ) http://pastebin.com/d3a153a01 |
| 02:20.03 | WE_Linker | rgr: ps/2 |
| 02:20.31 | rgr | I had it with USB on one machine a lot. Changed to ps/2. sorry, cant help. |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | WE_Linker: echo "psmouse" >> /etc/modules |
| 02:21.05 | Amarande | (and apparently even on Windows, the OOo PDF export is b0rked with OTF's, which means ugh, since I bought these fonts *specifically* intending to have them in PDFs eventually) |
| 02:21.12 | paissad | btw, $backup_dir is into $destination |
| 02:21.16 | abrotman | WE_Linker: i also asked you the other night if you had installed the 'xorg' package |
| 02:21.19 | paissad | does this cause problem ? |
| 02:21.59 | WE_Linker | abrotman: i had installed! |
| 02:22.09 | lostinspace_46 | I have been browsing tuts on building debian pkgs. They all reference dpkg-deb. I have googled myself silly, and can't find a place to download it. Any ideas? |
| 02:22.16 | WE_Linker | abrotman: by echo "psmouse" nothing output |
| 02:22.27 | abrotman | that's not what i said |
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| 02:23.56 | WE_Linker | abrotman: o,sorry |
| 02:24.09 | Amarande | krisfremen: also, it's a general opinion among people serious about their fonts that TrueType is the Devil. :) |
| 02:24.31 | WE_Linker | abrotman: your mean is add the "psmouse" to the file /etc/modules? |
| 02:24.51 | simonrvn | no, literally doing that command |
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| 02:26.20 | nsadmin | lostinspace_46: devscripts? |
| 02:26.30 | nsadmin | and debhelper, btw |
| 02:26.34 | beardy | km: 'ps -ecl | grep tomcat' |
| 02:26.54 | nsadmin | also see www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 02:26.54 | km | thanks, that help. |
| 02:26.58 | lostinspace_46 | nsadmin, No, they say dpkg |
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| 02:27.02 | lostinspace_46 | deb |
| 02:27.31 | lostinspace_46 | dpkg-deb..sorry |
| 02:27.51 | km | beardy: are you familar with as400? |
| 02:28.33 | beardy | dpkg: pri is <reply> To show a process' priority, either use 'ps -ecl | grep <processname/binary>' or use top(1). |
| 02:28.33 | dpkg | ...but pri is already something else... |
| 02:28.37 | lostinspace_46 | nsadmin, I have devscripts and devhelper |
| 02:28.52 | beardy | dpkg: showpri is <reply> To show a process' priority, either use 'ps -ecl | grep <processname/binary>' or use top(1). |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 02:29.11 | beardy | km: Not really no. |
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| 02:29.20 | nsadmin | hmm. yeah, just checked dpkg -L devscripts and it's not there |
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| 02:29.28 | nsadmin | but I do have it |
| 02:29.41 | km | beardy: i wonder if i can use the same command on as400 |
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| 02:30.09 | lostinspace_46 | nsadmin, Where did you find it? |
| 02:30.10 | WE_Linker | abrotman: am i right? |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | WE_Linker: have you checked your system logs at all ? |
| 02:30.56 | nsadmin | lostinspace_46 must have had it installed from before, checking which package now |
| 02:31.04 | WE_Linker | abrotman: which log ? |
| 02:31.11 | abrotman | all of them ? |
| 02:31.12 | nsadmin | oh :P it's in dpkg |
| 02:31.15 | nsadmin | so you have it now |
| 02:31.24 | nsadmin | dpkg-deb right? |
| 02:31.46 | km | thanks, got to go for now. |
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| 02:31.57 | lostinspace_46 | nsadmin, Yes |
| 02:32.32 | beardy | km: It's not *nix is it? Ask in a channel where it is on topic. |
| 02:33.17 | beardy | (So "priority" might be something totally different, and.. so on.) |
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| 02:34.17 | WE_Linker | abrotman: oh a lot of logs i must see! |
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| 02:35.22 | nsadmin | lostinspace_46 you have it now if you have dpkg |
| 02:35.33 | WE_Linker | abrotman: can i remove all of them and reboot to see that? |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | no |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | it wouldn't do anything |
| 02:35.52 | WE_Linker | abrotman: why? |
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| 02:36.52 | beardy | Wow.. |
| 02:36.54 | lostinspace_46 | nsadmin, Hmm, I kinda thought that might be the case. Appreciate the help |
| 02:36.54 | WE_Linker | abrotman: the log files is to much to see |
| 02:37.47 | WE_Linker | can i remove all of the files in /var/log safely? |
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| 02:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, games are offtopic in here :-P |
| 02:38.45 | beardy | !flog CutMeOwnThroat |
| 02:38.45 | dpkg | hog-ties CutMeOwnThroat and starts the heavy punishment with a cat5-o-nine-tails. |
| 02:39.03 | abrotman | WE_Linker: i already told you |
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| 02:40.55 | WE_Linker | abrotman: ok ,ok,i will try |
| 02:41.07 | lolufail | damnit. it's not ipv6. what else is between "Configuring network interfaces...done" and "INIT: Entering runlevel: 2" ?? |
| 02:41.10 | WE_Linker | abrotman: see you later |
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| 02:43.25 | SSolutions | Hello, I just installed a RT73USB (F5D7050 V3 - Belkin Wifi), and I'm constantly getting [10395.270915] kernel unaligned access to 0xe0000001c3a7bd16, ip=0xa0000002012d1200 |
| 02:43.25 | SSolutions | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.50 | SSolutions | I'm using Debian Lenny IA64. My wireless is also very slow.. |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | ia64 or amd64? |
| 02:44.29 | SSolutions | IA64 (Itanium( |
| 02:45.18 | lolufail | any ideas :(? |
| 02:45.45 | SSolutions | It seems like this kernel message comes up everything the computer tries to access the web, or something in the web tries to access the box .. I'm 100% it's something to do with the Wifi, because it was perfectly working before installing it 1hr ago. |
| 02:47.03 | lolufail | thx for the help everyone, it's always apleasure here :D |
| 02:47.08 | lolufail | found it: /etc/rcS.d/S60ec2-ssh-host-key-gen |
| 02:49.43 | beardy | SSolutions: Seems it might perhaps be because the kernel and the NIC drivers are compiled with differing GCC versions. http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1634 |
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| 02:50.49 | SSolutions | beardy let me read it.. |
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| 02:52.54 | pseubodot | I did some relatively minor updates today on my testing box, and was very pleasantly surprised to see a bunch of minor changes to the UI |
| 02:53.17 | pseubodot | thanks to all and sundry. very nice. |
| 02:53.30 | l0rd_hex | hey guys, I'm having a problem using debootstrap, when I run it I'm getting the error "Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-arme1/Packcages" |
| 02:53.49 | l0rd_hex | I'm trying to use squeeze (but I've tried with lenny) |
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| 02:54.07 | adb | main/binary-arme1/< armel |
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| 02:54.33 | abrotman | throws a snowball at pseubodot |
| 02:54.45 | l0rd_hex | adb: I'm using --arch=arme1 |
| 02:54.52 | beardy | UI? |
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| 02:55.30 | pseubodot | beardy: you know, that desktop thing that gets in the way of running shells. |
| 02:55.50 | DogBoy | is that a typo l0rd_hex |
| 02:55.51 | beardy | pseubodot: Might want to be a bit specific as "UI" depends on what you run and varied tremendously. |
| 02:55.58 | Ccord221 | Hi i am having trouble with my networking this is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/d395a80a0 |
| 02:56.02 | beardy | varies* |
| 02:56.02 | l0rd_hex | it's not 1 but l (ellll) ? |
| 02:56.26 | adb | armeL |
| 02:56.36 | pseubodot | beardy: current Debian Testing on i686 |
| 02:56.42 | l0rd_hex | thank you, I'm really sorry about that :) |
| 02:56.45 | beardy | pseubodot: What? |
| 02:57.03 | abrotman | beardy: i don't think he's lookin gfor help .. just thanking us |
| 02:57.07 | beardy | pseubodot: The shell is an UI too. (I'm not trying to be a bastard, just curious.) |
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| 02:57.20 | beardy | abrotman: Yes, I think so too.. |
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| 02:57.40 | pseubodot | beardy: yup. not looking for help. just saying 'thanks' |
| 02:57.40 | hornairs | can anyone tell me if there is a way to prioritze network traffic based on the origin process, port, or protocol? i have one process doing large long running noncritical file transfers which i would like to consume all the bandwidth it can, without lowering a webserver's responsiveness |
| 02:58.06 | beardy | pseubodot: As in, change in KDE, GNOME, another window manager, or some specific program? Oh well.. |
| 02:58.21 | pseubodot | beardy: gnome, now that you mention it |
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| 02:58.43 | beardy | pseubodot: Alright :) |
| 02:59.02 | Ccord221 | Hi i am having trouble with my networking this is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/d395a80a0 |
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| 03:00.41 | beardy | Ccord221: What network card do you have? Looks like your PCI-bus isn't happy, or some card on it. |
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| 03:01.47 | Ccord221 | beardy Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 03:03.55 | Ccord221 | broadcom 440x driver |
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| 03:04.17 | pseubodot | throws snowballs back at abrotman |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | i only threw one! |
| 03:04.44 | pseubodot | abrotman: I'm canadian |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | so you fight dirty ? |
| 03:04.52 | nsadmin | throws pseudosnowballs at bot! |
| 03:05.26 | pseubodot | abrotman: think 'massive retaliation' |
| 03:05.44 | abrotman | "Ack, they're stoning us with loonies!!" |
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| 03:06.05 | beardy | Ccord221: Hard to say anything more than what I said with just that output.. maybe someone else can though. But, are you sure the card is not broken? What more PCI cards do you have in the box? |
| 03:06.06 | pseubodot | "and we don't mean crazy people" |
| 03:06.08 | nsadmin | massive retailization? McDonalds? |
| 03:06.20 | pseubodot | nsadmin: oo, now that's just too much |
| 03:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ccord221, so why do you share that 600-lines dmesg with us? |
| 03:06.35 | beardy | Ccord221: Just looks like something isn't right.. |
| 03:06.36 | pseubodot | puts snowman on catapult |
| 03:06.41 | pseubodot | nsadmin: supersize this! |
| 03:07.18 | abrotman | notes that "Manitoba" is almost an anagram of "abrotman" .. just one letter! |
| 03:07.29 | nsadmin | rolls snowman downhill! |
| 03:07.29 | pseubodot | beardy: oh yeah, the bluetooth applet is particularly cool ... this version puts a lot more info / control in once place. |
| 03:07.43 | pseubodot | watches the poor snowman |
| 03:07.56 | nsadmin | Manitroba? |
| 03:08.00 | Da_Wrecka | Well the laptop won't connect to my other AP any more readily than it does my primary AP. Comforting in some ways, but not very helpful. |
| 03:08.02 | Ccord221 | bready i installed the broadcom driver from their website still no luck |
| 03:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, Mantibora |
| 03:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder WHY he's noting that right now, though |
| 03:09.06 | abrotman | Ccord221: why? the driver is in debian |
| 03:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it !doesn't work |
| 03:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 03:09.56 | Da_Wrecka | Does anyone have any clues as to why plugging in the wireless NIC renders the wired NIC incapable of receiving packets? |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | it changes your route ? |
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| 03:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm still waiting for the explanation of why he's attacking us with a 600-lines dmesg in which I see no mention of broadcom whatsoever |
| 03:10.29 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm, that could be it... |
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| 03:10.31 | beardy | Ccord221: Well.. that will not make it better.. |
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| 03:11.29 | Ccord221 | So what now |
| 03:11.46 | Da_Wrecka | okay, so I need to figure out if it's possible to have Linux NOT change the route with the WNIC plugged in |
| 03:11.52 | beardy | Ccord221: What version of Debian do you run? |
| 03:12.01 | Ccord221 | debian squeeze |
| 03:12.08 | abrotman | Da_Wrecka: yes |
| 03:13.38 | beardy | Ccord221: Can that driver be uninstalled? |
| 03:13.45 | beardy | Ccord221: How did you install it? |
| 03:14.01 | Ccord221 | i tar it and make |
| 03:14.41 | beardy | Ccord221: When did you install this system? |
| 03:15.51 | Ccord221 | like 6 months ago, it was working...i messed it up somehow...i dont want to reinstall i spend a lot of time setting it up |
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| 03:17.12 | simonrvn | beardy: how do you make the script go over what it's already processed? |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:18.13 | simonrvn | seems what i want to do i'll need to do some re-processing after i've processed it already. |
| 03:18.27 | beardy | simonrvn: You're doing something with an awk script, or using it in a pipeline? |
| 03:18.38 | simonrvn | awk script yes |
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| 03:19.06 | beardy | simonrvn: Well, let's have a look.. I'd ask in #bash in the meantime too. |
| 03:19.30 | beardy | (or #awk of course but..) |
| 03:19.35 | simonrvn | right now i have a bunch of sub and gsub, but i need to go over my output from the print statement, so i can do more filtering |
| 03:19.39 | simonrvn | i did |
| 03:20.00 | simonrvn | sec, i'll pastebin the stuff |
| 03:20.15 | p3rror | hello |
| 03:20.17 | p3rror | any desktop video recording |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | p3rror: many! |
| 03:21.07 | abrotman | p3rror: istanbul is one i know of .. there's another like .. gtk-recordddesktop or something |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | i'm sure there are more |
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| 03:21.55 | beardy | Ccord221: After you "make"d it, do you know where it put all its files? Is there an uninstall option in the makefile? Check the docs that came with it. A README and installation guide atleast.. |
| 03:21.55 | p3rror | me too i think that i used one day a tool based on python |
| 03:22.02 | simonrvn | beardy: http://pastebin.com/f769fda90 |
| 03:22.12 | nsadmin | p3rror are you sure we got what you really want? if no, more complete sentences would help, and add more detail |
| 03:22.17 | simonrvn | pats pastebinit |
| 03:22.38 | beardy | Ccord221: Because I'd try to remove it, and get the driver that is most likely available in Debian working. |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | smacks simonrvn |
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| 03:23.07 | simonrvn | what? |
| 03:23.13 | nsadmin | patpats stdin-pastebin :) |
| 03:23.41 | Ccord221 | bready here is the readme file http://pastebin.com/d32f155b0 |
| 03:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacksmacks nsadmin |
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| 03:24.21 | Ccord221 | I am still trying to figure out what the problem is not the driver working, is there a conficts between the drivers... |
| 03:24.37 | simonrvn | hands Ccord221 a <tab> key |
| 03:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ey, that was mine! |
| 03:25.11 | simonrvn | don't worry i had a spare |
| 03:25.19 | beardy | smacks abrotman with CutMeOwnThroat's TABless keyboard |
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| 03:26.03 | simonrvn | well someone in #awk was kind enough to tell me about rewind functions |
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| 03:27.23 | beardy | simonrvn: Ah, ok. I was going to see if there was (or how it works) a for or while loop, and DO "the thing" FOR "each line" UNTIL we're done. |
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| 03:27.30 | Ccord221 | bready i know where the make files are, so just delete that folder it will be uninstalled right? |
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| 03:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 03:27.39 | beardy | Ccord221: No. |
| 03:28.14 | Ccord221 | well i can unistall it with synaptic |
| 03:28.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 03:28.47 | simonrvn | beardy: hm ok |
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| 03:29.22 | Ccord221 | so how do i get eth0 or wifi working so i can get online? |
| 03:29.22 | Gran_Ger | Hi there, some one uses iceweasel insted of Firefox? |
| 03:29.30 | beardy | simonrvn: I'd probably use a shellscript myself, but I'm sure there's nice loop things in awk that can do things for each line, too.. |
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| 03:30.28 | beardy | simonrvn: If I understand the script correctly, it only does it for one "INSERT INTO" line now? |
| 03:31.27 | simonrvn | beardy: each INSERT INTO is one line, it goes over each line until done. prince_jammys in #awk said using an END block and iterate over it. |
| 03:31.57 | simonrvn | prince_jammys: hi :) |
| 03:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, of course, now that I looked up his shitty driver, he left |
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| 03:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I hate, hate, hate it when you have to look stuff up in some forum where they play "being in the valley of the clueless" |
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| 03:37.30 | beardy | simonrvn: Hmm ok. But you can't do everything at once, on each line? |
| 03:38.08 | beardy | !beer CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:38.08 | dpkg | pours a pint of Guinness for CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:39.04 | beardy | simonrvn: I mean, you want to do one thing on every line, then start over and do something else on each line? |
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| 03:41.07 | prince_jammys | simonrvn: hello. |
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| 03:43.25 | uncmar | nothing else running to access the disk and kjournald has to access it every 5 seconds? |
| 03:43.55 | simonrvn | beardy: i can get mostly what i want as it is (by uncommenting some of those), but i want to make it so that i end ... nah fuck it, i'll figure it out. thank you. to you too prince_jammys |
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| 03:48.22 | Ccord221 | so i looks like i have to reinstall how do i save printer and scanner settings |
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| 03:49.24 | nsadmin | put the config files which are involved on some offline storage like a floppy, cdrom or usb key |
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| 03:51.26 | beardy | simonrvn: Ok. http://web.mit.edu/gnu/doc/html/gawk_11.html http://www.gnu.org/manual/gawk/gawk.html look into "for", "while", "END", "break" and such.. good luck. |
| 03:51.31 | Ccord221 | what config files i dont which file i altered, should just save all of /usr |
| 03:51.42 | simonrvn | beardy: thanks |
| 03:51.52 | beardy | simonrvn: Forgot one http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-awk2.html |
| 03:51.59 | Ccord221 | bready any luck with my problem |
| 03:52.02 | nsadmin | well config files usually reside in /etc |
| 03:52.42 | Ccord221 | there is gotta be a way to get this networking going again i really dont want reinstall |
| 03:52.44 | Da_Wrecka | Urge to give Linux on the craptop up as a bad job... Rising... |
| 03:52.47 | Da_Wrecka | wpa_supplicant is a bitch |
| 03:53.32 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Still? |
| 03:53.53 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: So did you try with an open network, no keys? |
| 03:54.15 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: For your NIC, I don't recall why it didn't work.. |
| 03:54.26 | simonrvn | reinstall because of a fucked network? O_O |
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| 03:55.51 | beardy | simonrvn: Because of no.. clue, and compilation and installation of some vendor driver.. lastlog him and make a better suggestion.. |
| 03:55.55 | Da_Wrecka | Haven't tried with an open network just yet |
| 03:56.09 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Get to it, you must have slept now! |
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| 03:57.26 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: To determine if the card is working at all. |
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| 03:59.24 | simonrvn | lastlog |
| 03:59.41 | nsadmin | fifthlog |
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| 04:02.51 | adb | liz_, just ask |
| 04:02.58 | Da_Wrecka | wpa_supplicant is spamming my console with CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS :/ |
| 04:04.02 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Open, unencrypted network, without wpa_supplicant, try it. (Not for long of course.) COmment out the wpa_supplicant things for now, reconfigure your ap temporarily. |
| 04:04.02 | simonrvn | well dude timed out anyway .... |
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| 04:04.46 | Da_Wrecka | "wpa_supplicant things"? |
| 04:05.02 | beardy | How hard is that to get? |
| 04:05.34 | Da_Wrecka | Considering you haven't specified WHAT "wpa_supplicant things", or where, impossible |
| 04:05.47 | beardy | In your /etc/network/interfaces, comment it out, connect to an open plain insecure wireless network to determine if the wireless network card can do that atleast. |
| 04:06.33 | Da_Wrecka | SO just "allow-hotplug wlan0" and "iface wlan0 inet dhcp"? |
| 04:06.50 | karlpinc | I'm trying to get gdm to play a sound when the login screen is ready and all I ever get is a beep. I use the "configure login" (which I'm guessing is gdmsetup) and use the accessiblity tab to tell it to play a wav file. Hitting the play button (or logging out/in etc.) nothing happens (although I do get a beep when the login screen comes up.) How can I diagnose this? There seems nothing in /var/log/gdm/:0.log |
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| 04:07.18 | karlpinc | I'm running lenny. |
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| 04:08.16 | Da_Wrecka | It's still not associating with the AP. |
| 04:08.18 | liz_ | karlpinc: what are the perms on the file, what user is gdm running as |
| 04:09.16 | karlpinc | liz_: The perms on the dirs are o+x all the way down and o+r on the file. I assume gdm is running as gdm. |
| 04:09.18 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Yes, and "wireless-essid YOURSSID", separate line. |
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| 04:10.16 | liz_ | karlpinc: have you tried o+rx on teh file? |
| 04:10.30 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Still not working. |
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| 04:10.49 | karlpinc | liz_: No. But that sounds very strange. Why would a data file need x? |
| 04:10.55 | liz_ | poligizes she is on a slow 4g connection |
| 04:10.58 | adb | Da_Wrecka, buy a new card |
| 04:11.07 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Can you see your ap? |
| 04:11.12 | Da_Wrecka | Wireless AP is set to ESSID "example", no security, SSID broadcast, and it's still not working |
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| 04:11.24 | beardy | What adb said sounds like a good move soon. |
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| 04:11.46 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Define "see". If you mean with network-manager, no I can't because network manager reports "No network devices have been found" |
| 04:11.57 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Do you have 'iwlist' installed? I don't recall if it is a separate package or part of something else. |
| 04:12.40 | Da_Wrecka | It's installed... |
| 04:12.51 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: I define it as sniff the beacons, and everything else, without associating with the network. |
| 04:12.55 | karlpinc | I set the volume with alsamixer and get sound from other apps. Is gdm not using alsa? |
| 04:13.05 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Ok, 'iwlist ap', see it? |
| 04:13.23 | Da_Wrecka | "Interface doesn't have a list of peers/access points" |
| 04:13.47 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Have you ever used kismet? |
| 04:13.53 | Da_Wrecka | never in my life |
| 04:14.17 | Da_Wrecka | The only IT-related Kismet I've heard of is that UnrealScript-lite that's in Unreal Tournament 3 |
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| 04:14.26 | nsadmin | try iwlist scan |
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| 04:14.39 | Da_Wrecka | "No scan results" |
| 04:14.48 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 04:15.02 | Da_Wrecka | So basically the driver is straight fucked-up and that's why I'm not getting anywhere |
| 04:15.04 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Also try unconfiguring the interface, take it out, plug it back in, then do 'iwlist scan'. |
| 04:15.14 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Or the card. |
| 04:15.23 | Da_Wrecka | no, it's not the card |
| 04:15.31 | Da_Wrecka | The card works fine under Windows 2000 |
| 04:15.31 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Oh? |
| 04:15.49 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Ok, then it might be the driver sure. |
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| 04:16.14 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Does the machine have USB ports? |
| 04:16.18 | Da_Wrecka | It does |
| 04:16.22 | Da_Wrecka | But only one of them |
| 04:16.36 | Da_Wrecka | And it's a USB1.1 port |
| 04:16.53 | Da_Wrecka | You're going to suggest I hook up a USB NIC, right? |
| 04:17.07 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: USB 1.1(or 0) I guess? But, you can use an USB hub. USB Wifi NICs aren't that expensive, at all. |
| 04:17.10 | beardy | Yep. |
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| 04:17.43 | Da_Wrecka | I have a USB NIC already, but I've no idea if Linux has support for it out-of-the-box and ndiswrapper sounds like epic pain |
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| 04:18.10 | beardy | Maybe it's time to try it? |
| 04:18.28 | adb | next week .. better |
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| 04:18.30 | morphix | Da_Wrecka: some work perfectly fine |
| 04:18.45 | Da_Wrecka | it's not a long-term solution but I suppose it's worth a shot |
| 04:18.46 | nsadmin | plug the thing in, ifconfig -a, see if it shows up |
| 04:18.48 | morphix | ive had a few which have worked better than some pcmcia cards and pci-e x1 cards |
| 04:18.50 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: ndiswrapper is what I'd think that PCMCIA card would like, if it works under w2k? |
| 04:19.24 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Remember. |
| 04:19.27 | Da_Wrecka | I am a Linux newbie. |
| 04:19.35 | Da_Wrecka | I have no idea how to set this ndiswrapper crap up |
| 04:19.43 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Yes.. but plug in the USB nic and see. |
| 04:19.49 | Da_Wrecka | I have done |
| 04:20.11 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Run 'dmesg', did it say anything, at the bottom? |
| 04:20.12 | Da_Wrecka | There's no new entries when I do ifconfig |
| 04:20.14 | Da_Wrecka | oh, dmesh |
| 04:20.16 | Da_Wrecka | *dmesg |
| 04:20.26 | morphix | lsusb aswell |
| 04:21.02 | Da_Wrecka | Yes, it's found the USB NIC |
| 04:21.20 | beardy | (I haven't used ndiswrapper either, but let's try with this instead for now.) |
| 04:21.32 | Da_Wrecka | there's no new entries in ifconfig |
| 04:21.43 | Da_Wrecka | It's still just lo, wlan0, wlan0:avahi and wmaster0 |
| 04:22.02 | Da_Wrecka | If I pull the PCMCIA card then it's just lo |
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| 04:23.00 | Da_Wrecka | Looks like there's no drivers for the USB NIC |
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| 04:23.10 | beardy | Well.. I have only one wifi device.. but anyway, mine can't use wlan0, it uses the "ath0" device. |
| 04:23.13 | nsadmin | hmm. there must be log messages from when you plug in the usb and remove it |
| 04:23.23 | Da_Wrecka | There are, nsadmin |
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| 04:23.45 | Da_Wrecka | "New USB device found" with some associated lines |
| 04:23.54 | nsadmin | any device/vendor strings? |
| 04:24.13 | Da_Wrecka | Vendor 07d1, product 3c09 |
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| 04:24.42 | adb | dpkg, pciid 07d1:3c09 |
| 04:24.42 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, adb |
| 04:24.43 | nsadmin | how do we look those up..; |
| 04:24.46 | beardy | Which I suppose is one of several possible virtual interfaces that can be created, but might be done dynamically, since I don't have to do it manually since.. a long time. |
| 04:25.00 | nsadmin | judd pciid 07d1:3c09 |
| 04:25.02 | judd | [07d1:3c09] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=07d1:3c09 |
| 04:25.03 | beardy | judd: pciid 07d1:3c09 |
| 04:25.04 | judd | [07d1:3c09] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=07d1:3c09 |
| 04:25.42 | Da_Wrecka | So I'd need ndiswrapper to have any hope of getting the USB thing working anyway |
| 04:25.55 | Da_Wrecka | Alright, I do have another one, but the snag there is; I've no clue where the bugger is |
| 04:25.59 | Da_Wrecka | Time to start looking |
| 04:26.32 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: What brand and model was the PCMCIA one? |
| 04:26.45 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: (which driver, is what I'm after) |
| 04:27.03 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: Belkin F5D7010. Driver, you'll have to gimme a sec |
| 04:27.18 | Da_Wrecka | oh pfft, the other USB NIC was right under me nose |
| 04:29.19 | Da_Wrecka | rtl8180 |
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| 04:30.06 | nsadmin | curious which kernel you're running |
| 04:30.09 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, it's detected the other USB NIC and it has drivers for the thing |
| 04:30.27 | nsadmin | oh nice, do you see more wlans? |
| 04:30.33 | nsadmin | in ifconfig -a listing |
| 04:30.38 | Da_Wrecka | 2.6.26-2-686 nsadmin. The fuck? I thought I was on .32 |
| 04:31.06 | Da_Wrecka | but yes, yes I do, I now have wlan0 (the Belkin) and wlan1 (the Nintendo thing) |
| 04:31.37 | nsadmin | does iwlist scan fare beter? |
| 04:31.39 | beardy | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=31741 could it be the other way around, that your thing has another chipset? |
| 04:31.50 | beardy | (bottom post) |
| 04:32.54 | Da_Wrecka | nsadmin: Yes, it's now actually returning some results on wlan1 |
| 04:33.03 | nsadmin | nice :) |
| 04:33.11 | beardy | (Said they could have different chipsets but appear as the same model. Oh well..) Getting tired and probably not making much sense. |
| 04:33.17 | beardy | Nice. |
| 04:33.33 | Da_Wrecka | So obviously there's something wrong with the PCMCIA NIC's software |
| 04:33.41 | Da_Wrecka | Because we know the hardware is good |
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| 04:34.03 | rumpsy | nsadmin: i found solution for my nvidia card ! |
| 04:34.08 | nsadmin | how do you safely remove a pcmcia card? do you have to power the laptop down first? |
| 04:34.16 | nsadmin | rumpsy: excellent :) |
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| 04:34.37 | Da_Wrecka | Nah, PCMCIA is hotpluggable |
| 04:34.45 | nevyn | ish |
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| 04:34.47 | rumpsy | nsadmin: so , i can help people here, who facing the same problem |
| 04:34.53 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: "/msg dpkg ndiswrapper" and "/msg dpkg ndiswrapper oneliner" if you want to fiddle with that later. |
| 04:35.31 | nsadmin | isn't it cool when you stop, and look at the problem as a whole and find out what you can on your own? |
| 04:35.57 | Da_Wrecka | beardy: That forum topic makes no sense |
| 04:36.33 | nevyn | rumpsy: was the solution removing it from the square box and placing it in the round one? |
| 04:36.33 | Da_Wrecka | It seems like the process was "Blacklisted native driver", "Installed ndiswrapper and the Windows driver, worked", then "blacklisted Windows driver, native driver worked" |
| 04:36.35 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: It did to me. But you are already using that driver (only bottom post that matters). |
| 04:37.07 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: Yeah, oh well. Search the web yourself. I'm just throwing ideas. |
| 04:37.11 | rumpsy | nevyn: o_O , no ! |
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| 04:38.47 | rumpsy | nevyn: The solution is simple, all we need to do is, work on it :) |
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| 04:39.44 | beardy | Da_Wrecka: http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/bcm43xx-dev/2007-May/001312.html "Different versions of this card use different chipsets including the |
| 04:39.47 | beardy | rt2500, rtl8xxx, bcmxxx, etc. That's why using the drivers that came |
| 04:39.50 | beardy | with your HP or identifying the device for certain would be useful." |
| 04:40.04 | Da_Wrecka | Yeah, just read that myself |
| 04:40.13 | Da_Wrecka | Time to break out the disc I guess |
| 04:40.58 | beardy | Don't forget about the working(?) USB NIC :) |
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| 04:42.43 | nevyn | rumpsy: the solution is nuevo |
| 04:42.47 | Da_Wrecka | I'd rather not use the USB thing except as an absolute last resort |
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| 04:43.19 | nevyn | rumpsy: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 04:43.20 | Da_Wrecka | It's a USB NIC which means I'd get 11Mbit/s at best. And that's assuming nothing else was using the same port. |
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| 04:43.48 | Da_Wrecka | Err, replace "USB NIC" with "USB 1.1 controller" |
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| 04:43.59 | nsadmin | Da_Wrecka but you've already gotten to that nic as a last resort... you might as well try it and see if it works |
| 04:44.25 | nsadmin | meaning actually connect to a net with it and see if you actually get connected |
| 04:44.37 | rumpsy | nevyn: may be to give solution, but i used m-a, and legacy driver, whose version 96.XX |
| 04:44.51 | nsadmin | if you do, then you know even more about what's working |
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| 04:45.24 | Da_Wrecka | It...doesn't appear to be working |
| 04:45.24 | nevyn | mutters about binary only crud messing up free software. |
| 04:45.44 | Da_Wrecka | Oh, it's not configured, that would explain it |
| 04:45.55 | nevyn | between binary drivers for nvidia cards and every linux user carrying around an ipod I don't know where we went wrong |
| 04:46.13 | Da_Wrecka | I don't have an iPod |
| 04:46.24 | nevyn | iphone? |
| 04:46.29 | Da_Wrecka | Nope |
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| 04:46.38 | Da_Wrecka | I have no Apple hardware of any variety |
| 04:46.44 | nevyn | has lots of hate for apple |
| 04:46.47 | Da_Wrecka | my MP3 player is a 20GB Zen Touch |
| 04:46.49 | nevyn | almost as much as nvidia |
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| 04:47.46 | Da_Wrecka | I lost interest in the iPhone when I saw it would cost me a thousand fucking pounds |
| 04:48.10 | Da_Wrecka | £300 for the iPhone itself and then another £900 for the contract |
| 04:48.16 | rumpsy | nevyn: do you think that neuvo, give solution for PCI card? |
| 04:48.36 | dokma | guys my laptop's mic doesn't work. it's on lenny. I booted knoppix and it worked with it. how can I figure out from knoppix what to do to get my mic running? |
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| 04:49.27 | Da_Wrecka | I happen to be one of those mutants who rarely uses his cellphone. |
| 04:49.36 | nsadmin | dokma: uname -r, lsmod, /boot/Config-$(uname -r) |
| 04:49.39 | Da_Wrecka | There isn't a contract on the face of the planet that would be cheaper for me than PAYG |
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| 04:50.02 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.03 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.14 | Da_Wrecka | wpa_supplicant is still not getting anywhere with the USB NIC |
| 04:50.22 | rumpsy | nevyn: i have to read docs about nouveau |
| 04:50.26 | Da_Wrecka | Guess I'll try going back to the open network and see if it functions at all |
| 04:50.33 | dokma | nsadmin, that was my idea as well |
| 04:50.44 | dokma | so I just need to copy the same modules? |
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| 04:51.10 | dokma | but I noticed that /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf is essential as well |
| 04:51.19 | nsadmin | not sure... but that info would be a start |
| 04:51.55 | dokma | I see. Do you know if there is an alsa channel? |
| 04:52.06 | Da_Wrecka | The laptop is STILL not detecting my access point |
| 04:52.16 | Da_Wrecka | I know it's not the AP itself because my Palm TX can see it without problem |
| 04:52.25 | nsadmin | there might be, give it a try! |
| 04:52.31 | Da_Wrecka | wait, no, it finally pulled its head out of its arse |
| 04:52.33 | dokma | there is |
| 04:52.36 | dokma | found it :) |
| 04:52.39 | Da_Wrecka | First iwlist scan returned someone else's AP |
| 04:52.48 | Da_Wrecka | second returned that same AP and mine too |
| 04:53.19 | Da_Wrecka | ...but it's still not associating with the AP |
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| 04:55.09 | Da_Wrecka | okay, NOW it works. I forgot to unplug the Belkin and that was preventing it from receiving packets |
| 04:55.14 | Da_Wrecka | Which still makes no fucking sense, btw |
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| 04:56.37 | Zer | Say, I had set up bridge_ports eth0, and happened to notice that brctl showmacs for my bridge shows MACs for other PCs on my LAN. Why does it do that? I'm going to be using it for bridging a bunch of VMs to an Ethernet card |
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| 04:57.33 | Zer | (is it perhaps an artifact of being connected to a hub instead of a switch?) |
| 04:57.44 | nsadmin | where does brctl come from? something I'm playing with is saying it's missing |
| 04:57.50 | Zer | bridge-utils |
| 04:58.07 | nsadmin | thanks |
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| 05:14.49 | Da_Wrecka | Sigh. Dpkg's one-liner command didn't work, because aptitude isn't set up to access anything but a non-functional mirror. |
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| 05:20.20 | Da_Wrecka | ...I'm a fucktard |
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| 05:47.46 | Zer | Say, pwmconfig claims that manual control is slower than automatic, risky, blah blah. Is this true to any significant degree? |
| 05:48.01 | Zer | It seems to me that even a full second really wouldn't matter |
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| 06:00.48 | burhan | Zer: you think they'd just lie about it? :) |
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| 06:04.24 | RedEyess | how does one disable the root user from logging in using SSH (console)? |
| 06:07.34 | RedEyess | i answered my question |
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| 06:08.21 | RedEyess | why is everyone so quiet? |
| 06:08.28 | RedEyess | did i offend anyone? |
| 06:09.06 | Gokee2 | RedEyess, Meh, I was gonna answer but you figured it out too quick |
| 06:09.17 | RedEyess | hehe |
| 06:09.31 | RedEyess | it's good to hear another voice |
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| 06:32.41 | SSolutions | squeeze is pretty god.. |
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| 06:40.43 | Craighton | i don't know if this is normal or on my part but when I try to get a package it says: 0% [Connecting to debian.osuosl.org (1.0.0.0)] |
| 06:40.57 | Craighton | is the 1.0.0.0 normal or did something messup |
| 06:43.39 | Tramp | something messed up. |
| 06:43.52 | Craighton | well duh,but is there a solution |
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| 06:45.32 | Tramp | Craighton: what command are you running and what version of Debian is that? |
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| 06:46.00 | astrocub | what user is apache typically assigned? |
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| 06:46.33 | Craighton | I am doing apt-get install and and I think I am using 5.0 |
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| 06:46.56 | Tramp | Craighton: do you get the same result with aptitude? |
| 06:47.04 | Tramp | astrocub: www-data, i think |
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| 06:47.56 | Craighton | Tramp yes it is the same result |
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| 06:48.49 | hanibana | hi |
| 06:49.05 | hanibana | in a BIND reverse zone file, can the value of PTR records be different domains? for example, example1.com and example2.com. is it convinient? |
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| 06:49.48 | Tramp | Craighton: what's the result of "host debian.osuosl.org" |
| 06:50.15 | Craighton | debian.osuosl.org is an alias for ftp.osuosl.org. |
| 06:50.16 | Craighton | ftp.osuosl.org has address 64.50.236.52 |
| 06:50.32 | xsdg | Craighton: how about `ping debian.osuosl.org`? |
| 06:50.57 | Tramp | Craighton: what does "ping debian.osuosl.org" show? |
| 06:51.01 | Craighton | --- debian.osuosl.org ping statistics --- |
| 06:51.02 | Craighton | 7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6022ms |
| 06:51.02 | Craighton | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 103.661/136.338/176.787/25.298 ms |
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| 06:53.11 | astrocub | what i did was to chown -R me:me /var/log/apache2 and it hasn't been logging to access.log and error.log since |
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| 06:53.30 | xsdg | astrocub: why did you do that? |
| 06:53.38 | Tramp | Craighton: weird. If you retry now, the error persists? |
| 06:53.44 | astrocub | because i was tired of having to use sudo to access the files |
| 06:53.47 | astrocub | to read them |
| 06:53.53 | Craighton | hmm now it worked Tramp |
| 06:53.58 | astrocub | i just tried chown -R www-data:www-data /var/log/apache2 but i still have the same result |
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| 06:54.06 | astrocub | apache isn't writing to the files |
| 06:54.07 | xsdg | astrocub: adduser astrocub adm |
| 06:54.09 | Tramp | Craighton: there is something not ok with your DNS resolution locally |
| 06:54.10 | xsdg | astrocub: restart it |
| 06:54.20 | astrocub | i restarted apache, removed it, restarted it again, same result |
| 06:54.36 | xsdg | astrocub: are the permissions on the directory correct? |
| 06:54.37 | astrocub | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.40 | Craighton | eh idk I was reading into it and it might have been the router |
| 06:54.55 | Tramp | might well be. |
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| 07:10.16 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys, Here is problem i am having while trying to compile broadcom driver file MODPOST 1 modules |
| 07:10.16 | iluminator101 | WARNING: modpost: missing MODULE_LICENSE() in /home/iluminator101/hybrid_wl/wl.o |
| 07:10.16 | iluminator101 | see include/linux/module.h for more information |
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| 07:10.48 | TiMiDo | iluminator101, try doing this |
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| 07:11.40 | TiMiDo | apt-get install b43-fwcutter bcm5700-source bluez-firmware broadcom-sta-common broadcom-sta-source firmware-linux-nonfree b43-asm |
| 07:12.49 | iluminator101 | ingenious i dont internet access on the other pc but i will download them individually |
| 07:12.51 | iluminator101 | thanks |
| 07:13.29 | TiMiDo | np |
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| 07:20.26 | Da_Wrecka | Okay... I've installed ndiswrapper, installed the WinXP driver for my WNIC off the CD, and blacklisted the seemingly-broken kernel driver; Now there's no driver being loaded at all and I'm not sure how to go about fixing that. |
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| 07:20.37 | Da_Wrecka | Anyone care to point me in the right direction? |
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| 07:21.33 | the_gamer | i got a .deb file how to install it? what is the command? google only finds how to install debian or odd packages for ubuntu -.- |
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| 07:22.24 | psteyn | How can I enable mysql error only logging? I don't want to use a general log file as it's a performance killer apparently |
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| 07:31.45 | Da_Wrecka | I want to find whatever fucktard designed the Realtek website to redirect you back to the top when you try to download a driver AND SAND OFF HIS NIPPLES |
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| 07:32.47 | the_gamer | lol |
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| 07:34.21 | javi_ | Hi. How can increase the font size of x-application and xterm? |
| 07:34.24 | amo-ej1 | does anybody know anything about emdebian ? mainly in terms whether it is still alive or not ? |
| 07:34.49 | Da_Wrecka | FUCK YOU TOO REALTEK |
| 07:35.18 | cast | Da_Wrecka: if your nic doesn't work in stock debian, buy a new one, realteks are worth about the same as 2 bigmacs |
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| 07:35.59 | Da_Wrecka | cast: I'm not sure what planet you're living on, but PCMCIA wireless NICs are not that cheap |
| 07:36.19 | amo-ej1 | that's why people buy intel ones :D |
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| 07:36.45 | amo-ej1 | although those behave odd from time to time as well |
| 07:37.09 | Da_Wrecka | Finding out the type of chip used in a NIC is hardly a straightforward task even after you've bought the bastard, let alone before |
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| 07:37.37 | the_gamer | it works in windows *running* |
| 07:37.38 | Da_Wrecka | But the thing is, there IS a driver for this NIC, and I'd be perfectly capable of getting it, if the Realtek website hadn't been designed by retarded gibbons. |
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| 07:38.55 | javi_ | How can I adjust the size of the xorg font? Now it's too small |
| 07:38.57 | Da_Wrecka | The page is right there, with three download links. No matter which one I pick, it redirects me to realtek.com.tw/downloads/ |
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| 07:40.47 | cast | Da_Wrecka: go buy an atheros based on |
| 07:40.48 | cast | one* |
| 07:41.10 | javi_ | How can I adjust the size of the xorg font? Now it's too small |
| 07:41.21 | Da_Wrecka | Okay. You gonna give me the £20 to get it, or are you making demands of me without following them up |
| 07:42.05 | Da_Wrecka | Besides, if it gets to the point where I have to spend money to get this bastard to work in Linux, I'm just going to go "fuck this noise" and go back to Windows. |
| 07:42.09 | cast | Da_Wrecka: see, it's like this, we don't really care about realtek's site, we don't care too much you bought HW that linux doesn't ship with drivers for, |
| 07:42.12 | Da_Wrecka | It may be sluggish, but at least it works |
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| 07:42.34 | cast | we really don't care if you go back to windows, either |
| 07:42.49 | cast | the question i'd be asking is "why isn't this realtek driver in linux?" |
| 07:43.14 | cast | maybe it is, and you only need to get a newer kernel than in stable [bpo, squeeze kernels, could be options] |
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| 07:43.39 | Da_Wrecka | Right now my goal is to learn my way around Linux, newbie that I am, in the possible hopes of replacing Windows XP on the Dell laptop here. |
| 07:43.57 | Da_Wrecka | (Windows XP runs like arse on this thing, but it's not a terrible spec_ |
| 07:43.58 | Da_Wrecka | ) |
| 07:44.00 | cast | i'd plug into cat5 |
| 07:44.23 | amo-ej1 | Da_Wrecka: perhaps some easy test for you is do download a livecd with a recent kernel (e.g. ubuntu one), boot it, see if it finds the nic or not |
| 07:44.36 | cast | wireless is annoyingly complicated and insecure possibly the majority of the time |
| 07:44.36 | amo-ej1 | if it does it's probably outdated kernel |
| 07:44.36 | Da_Wrecka | I've tried three different distros |
| 07:44.58 | Da_Wrecka | VectorLinux 6.0, SysRescueCD 1.0.1 and currently Debian 5.0.3 |
| 07:45.02 | Da_Wrecka | Same problem in all three |
| 07:45.03 | cast | i'd say an easy test is typing "$wlan_card linux" into google |
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| 07:45.53 | amo-ej1 | and how confident are you in vectorlinux and sysrescuecd ? |
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| 07:46.11 | amo-ej1 | (in terms of automagically configuring things and shipping recent full-option kernels/firmware :?) |
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| 07:47.29 | Da_Wrecka | "not at all" |
| 07:47.34 | amo-ej1 | great |
| 07:47.52 | Da_Wrecka | I'm as comfortable in VectorLinux and SysRescueCD as I am in Debian |
| 07:47.53 | amo-ej1 | when in doubt, pretend you're stupid, download an ubuntu livecd and see how far that goes |
| 07:47.56 | Da_Wrecka | Which is to say "not at all" |
| 07:48.21 | Da_Wrecka | Which would mean burning another CD-R because this laptop is too crap to support CD-RWs |
| 07:48.38 | Da_Wrecka | anyway, I've downloaded the RTL8185 driver and it's compiling now |
| 07:48.47 | Da_Wrecka | If I still can't get it to work after this, fuck it, I'm going back to Windows |
| 07:48.55 | amo-ej1 | great |
| 07:48.58 | amo-ej1 | have a great time there ! |
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| 07:49.04 | Da_Wrecka | I'm sure I will |
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| 07:49.28 | Da_Wrecka | I might spend a lot of my time waiting, but at least I won't be spending my time struggling futilely to get the obstinate piece of shit to cooperate. |
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| 07:50.03 | amo-ej1 | ah, the entire point if linux is that people can get as much as control as they want or as they are able to get |
| 07:50.11 | amo-ej1 | get/handle |
| 07:50.16 | Da_Wrecka | of course even if I do get the wireless working I need a dummy's guide on replacing GNOME with something lighter |
| 07:50.27 | Da_Wrecka | GNOME isn't unusable but it's more sluggish than Windows if you can believe that |
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| 07:58.02 | cast | well |
| 07:58.19 | cast | running debian stable w/ GNOME is much more modern than XP |
| 07:58.45 | cast | but its trivial to replace with whatever you feel like, i use e16 |
| 07:59.30 | cast | amo-ej1: the point of GNU is freedom [control], not sure what the point of linux is [best kernel?] |
| 07:59.50 | amo-ej1 | if don't care about gnu, i want control :D |
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| 08:00.17 | cast | debian, is also about freedom |
| 08:00.17 | the_gamer | drm |
| 08:00.51 | cast | freedom and control are similar, when you say control you mean the control is in your hands, not someone elses, which is freedom :) |
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| 08:01.03 | AimHere | ponders installing libdrm |
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| 08:01.38 | cast | its worth noting that linux didn't start off as open source/free software, but iirc linus was convinced by friends [maybe convinced to release under the gplv2] |
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| 08:02.09 | AimHere | He still doesn't like the free software philosophy |
| 08:02.38 | cast | no, he doesn't seem to care [eg: bitkeeper] |
| 08:03.00 | the_gamer | he likes 7. www.willuhn.de/blog/uploads/linus-windows.jpg |
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| 08:03.34 | cast | that could mean anything :P |
| 08:04.16 | nooper | he's giving MS the finger... with his thumb |
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| 08:05.26 | cast | its not as long but its wider |
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| 08:35.33 | linduxed | I'm trying to figure out what's causing the difference in input handling for different terminals |
| 08:35.47 | linduxed | details here: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/159432-xterm-vs-gnome-terminal.html |
| 08:36.01 | linduxed | and i know that it's posted in the ubuntu forums but this is valid on my debian server too |
| 08:36.25 | linduxed | this really is distro independant |
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| 08:36.33 | linduxed | or at least it seems so |
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| 08:38.54 | simonrvn | linduxed: barring patches that change the behaviour yes |
| 08:39.24 | linduxed | simonrvn: do you know the reason for this? |
| 08:39.46 | linduxed | i'm trying to find the pattern so that i can at least google a bit more efficiently |
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| 08:40.53 | simonrvn | there's several reasons why. without getting into it, there's the differing implementations of terminals, how they handle that stuff, and also terminfo settings that can change that |
| 08:42.07 | simonrvn | they might say they're say, vt100, but they aren't, or ^^^^ |
| 08:42.14 | linduxed | well the thing is that what i'm most interested in is no get gnome-terminal to function |
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| 08:42.22 | simonrvn | (gets fricking complex and i don't get all of it myself) |
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| 08:42.43 | ntsasng | !help |
| 08:42.51 | ntsasng | I cant mount HDD |
| 08:42.52 | ntsasng | :( |
| 08:43.00 | simonrvn | !tell ntsasng -about ask |
| 08:43.12 | linduxed | but as far as i can see, the gnome project has decided on hiding all the settings |
| 08:43.20 | ntsasng | simonrvn: i can't mount hdd |
| 08:43.25 | ntsasng | can you help me |
| 08:43.31 | simonrvn | you need to be specific |
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| 08:43.39 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
| 08:43.51 | ntsasng | simonrvn: this is my fstab |
| 08:43.52 | ntsasng | :D |
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| 08:44.45 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367375/ |
| 08:44.54 | ntsasng | simonrvn: |
| 08:45.02 | ntsasng | simonrvn: that is may fstab |
| 08:45.46 | simonrvn | and ... why do you have the umasks set that way? |
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| 08:47.36 | ntsasng | simonrvn: I follow ubuntu |
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| 08:47.57 | simonrvn | yes i know, and that's why you should ask there |
| 08:48.42 | ntsasng | I want auto mount my hdd |
| 08:49.10 | ntsasng | simonrvn: but when i click in to hdd icons |
| 08:49.14 | simonrvn | do "/join #ubuntu" first, then ask there |
| 08:49.49 | simonrvn | ntsasng: what does "it" say? |
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| 08:50.09 | ntsasng | I used ubuntu a long time |
| 08:50.28 | simonrvn | answer the question please |
| 08:50.43 | simonrvn | i can't help you if you don't answer the questions |
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| 08:53.13 | ntsasng | simonrnv: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4356/screenshotpo.png |
| 08:54.13 | rumpsy | ntsasng: ? |
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| 08:54.31 | ntsasng | i can't mount hdd |
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| 08:54.34 | ntsasng | :( |
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| 08:54.47 | rumpsy | ntsasng: pastebin your fstab entries |
| 08:55.01 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367375/ |
| 08:55.17 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i've just edit it :D |
| 08:55.21 | streuner | ntsasng: are you using ubuntu? |
| 08:55.26 | ntsasng | yes |
| 08:55.31 | rumpsy | ntsasng: wait |
| 08:55.35 | ntsasng | okie |
| 08:55.41 | streuner | ntsasng: Please join #ubuntu and ask there |
| 08:55.47 | rumpsy | ntsasng: Can you tell what sda? |
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| 08:56.08 | ntsasng | sda is my name hdd |
| 08:56.25 | rumpsy | ntsasng: Can you tell what sda?, sda1 or sda2? |
| 08:56.39 | rumpsy | sda5 right? |
| 08:56.48 | nasso | is it possibly to copy an debian installation from on harddrive to another, switch drives and continue working as before? i want to change my hdd to an ssd |
| 08:56.50 | ntsasng | right |
| 08:56.59 | nasso | no very fond on reinstallations though |
| 08:57.01 | ntsasng | sda1 = partion data |
| 08:57.03 | rumpsy | open your fstab |
| 08:57.09 | ntsasng | sda = partion |
| 08:57.28 | ntsasng | okie |
| 08:57.37 | llutz | nasso: it is, copy it using rsync/tar/cp -ax , change fstab/grub then |
| 08:58.07 | rumpsy | ntsasng: delete this line under, sda5, rw,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,nls=utf8 |
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| 08:58.18 | ntsasng | rumpsy:okie |
| 08:58.22 | ntsasng | but |
| 08:58.30 | nasso | llutz, its best to do offline, from an live-cd i guess? :) |
| 08:58.31 | rumpsy | ntsasng: instead type defaults |
| 08:58.42 | llutz | nasso: can be made online, is up to you |
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| 08:59.03 | rumpsy | ntsasng: after deleting that, type, defaults |
| 08:59.05 | nasso | llutz, could i use an clone application like symantec ghost and then just swap? |
| 08:59.05 | cast | nasso: sure is, use lvm |
| 08:59.19 | llutz | nasso: i wouldn't recommend it, but yes, you could use |
| 08:59.21 | cast | nasso: won't even have to incur downtime |
| 08:59.32 | ntsasng | type defualt |
| 08:59.36 | nasso | cast, too late? its already installed. doesnt i have to reformat to use lvm? |
| 08:59.44 | rumpsy | ntsasng: ? |
| 08:59.46 | ntsasng | rumpsy: how is type |
| 08:59.47 | cast | you didn't use lvm?! |
| 08:59.58 | nasso | no |
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| 09:00.17 | nasso | i will in the future :) |
| 09:00.18 | rumpsy | replace, this, rw,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,nls=utf8, with the word called defaults |
| 09:00.31 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367382/ |
| 09:00.56 | rumpsy | ntsasng: no! |
| 09:00.59 | NoCode | Is there a debian project for lxde?, similar to lubuntu but based on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 09:01.03 | rumpsy | ntsasng: undo that |
| 09:01.04 | ntsasng | okie |
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| 09:01.14 | ntsasng | wait |
| 09:01.43 | cast | NoCode: just install lxde instead of GNOME |
| 09:01.50 | ntsasng | right |
| 09:01.55 | rumpsy | ntsasng: don't delete everything !, i want to delete those words in sda5 |
| 09:02.01 | ntsasng | sda5 = partion DATA |
| 09:02.02 | ntsasng | :) |
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| 09:02.14 | NoCode | Makes sense. :) |
| 09:02.40 | rumpsy | ntsasng: ? |
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| 09:04.03 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367386/ |
| 09:04.20 | ntsasng | rumpsy: after edit |
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| 09:04.30 | rumpsy | ntsasng: wait |
| 09:04.36 | ntsasng | You are not privileged to mount the volume 'DATA'. |
| 09:04.44 | ntsasng | can't mount |
| 09:04.53 | rumpsy | ntsasng: wrong ! |
| 09:04.58 | ntsasng | :| |
| 09:05.05 | ntsasng | :-/ |
| 09:05.13 | NoReflex | hey guys!my os disk has crashed and i had a raid 1 setup. i now have one of the disk in another computer? can i copy the files from it? can i mount it as ext4? (the fs of the raid setup)? |
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| 09:05.25 | rumpsy | ntsasng: i want you to edit sda5 only not other o_O |
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| 09:05.43 | cast | NoCode: yes, you can copy files from it |
| 09:05.44 | NoCode | ntsasng: Why not edit fstab? |
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| 09:05.53 | rumpsy | ntsasng: undo ! |
| 09:06.06 | ntsasng | edit only line sda5 |
| 09:06.08 | ntsasng | ? |
| 09:06.25 | cast | NoCode: presuming you didn't put the crashed disk in the another computer |
| 09:06.50 | rumpsy | ntsasng: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367388/ |
| 09:06.54 | NoCode | cast: Not sure what you're talking about. :) |
| 09:06.57 | NoReflex | cast: do i mount it as ext4? it's the presumably good drive |
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| 09:07.13 | cast | erm, NoReflex i mean :( |
| 09:07.33 | Worf | NoReflex: to be on the safe side, mount it readonly .. |
| 09:07.35 | NoCode | http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html Is a great resource for understanding fstab. |
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| 09:07.50 | ntsasng | rumpsy: can't mount |
| 09:07.51 | ntsasng | :( |
| 09:08.01 | rumpsy | ntsasng: mount -a |
| 09:08.07 | rumpsy | ntsasng: use that command |
| 09:08.13 | ntsasng | mount -a |
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| 09:08.18 | rumpsy | yes |
| 09:08.45 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367389/ |
| 09:08.51 | ntsasng | rumspy |
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| 09:09.22 | rumpsy | ntsasng: give me your fstab now |
| 09:09.44 | rumpsy | ntsasng: use, http://pastie.org |
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| 09:10.11 | NoCode | Have you made a folder in /media/? |
| 09:10.14 | NoReflex | Worf: I don't know how to mount it read-only. I usually do mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/diskx |
| 09:10.27 | NoCode | For the mounted partitions, or the ones you want mounted |
| 09:10.29 | Worf | NoReflex: add -o ro |
| 09:10.32 | ntsasng | rumspy: http://pastie.org/805594 |
| 09:10.47 | NoReflex | Worf: thx; trying now |
| 09:10.50 | cast | NoReflex: dunno, haven't used SW raid under linux, i'd imagine you'd do a scan using the mdadm tools then mount a metadevice |
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| 09:11.36 | rumpsy | ntsasng: give me a sec |
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| 09:12.24 | buckfast | can i somehow get gnome screensaver not to activate if I'm watching a video for example |
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| 09:12.48 | NoReflex | Worf: i got : mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member' |
| 09:12.56 | miasma | hm, has anyone else noticed that grub2 fails to upgrade. on my system it complains: "/usr/bin/grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem.", when it's generating core.img |
| 09:13.15 | NoReflex | i tried mount -o ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt/my_mnt |
| 09:13.35 | rumpsy | ntsasng: Are you there? |
| 09:13.48 | cast | yeah....looks like you'll have to mount it via md |
| 09:14.03 | ntsasng | yes |
| 09:14.07 | ntsasng | I'm here |
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| 09:14.13 | miasma | i guess grub-legacy is still safe to use |
| 09:14.20 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i'm here |
| 09:14.25 | rumpsy | ntsasng: do you have folder called data under /media |
| 09:14.51 | cast | since its a simple mirror, you could probably have a look to see where your FS starts and then use the device matter to create a mapping starting at that offse....ahh just use mdadm :) |
| 09:14.57 | ntsasng | yes, i have |
| 09:15.09 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i have |
| 09:15.16 | rumpsy | ntsasng: okay |
| 09:15.27 | rumpsy | ntsasng: check this, http://pastie.org/805598 |
| 09:15.50 | Worf | NoReflex: strange - i would have guessed that you can access a filesystem of a mirror directly ... but basically all i did suggest is to do everything you do readonly, so you don't accidentially make things worse. |
| 09:16.05 | rumpsy | ntsasng: install, this, apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 09:16.06 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i installed ntfs-3g :D |
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| 09:16.16 | cast | Worf: the partition probably has a blob of metadata at the beginning |
| 09:16.28 | rumpsy | ntsasng: check now, try, mount -a |
| 09:16.30 | Worf | propably, yeah |
| 09:16.39 | ntsasng | rumpsy: okie |
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| 09:17.52 | ntsasng | rumpsy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367396/ |
| 09:17.54 | ntsasng | :-? |
| 09:18.19 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i have folder /media |
| 09:18.26 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i sure |
| 09:18.34 | rumpsy | ntsasng: check the folders |
| 09:18.47 | rumpsy | goto /media |
| 09:18.58 | rumpsy | givemme screenshots of /media |
| 09:19.07 | rumpsy | nts^^ |
| 09:19.19 | sep | I see this message in my log a while after trying to hotadd a new partition to my failed md. mdadm[2257]: Rebuild21 event detected on md device /dev/md3 ; mdadm[2257]: RebuildFinished event detected on md device /dev/md3. But looking at proc/mdstat the rebuild is not finished. and the raid1 is still running on 1 out of 2 disks. |
| 09:19.53 | rumpsy | ntsasng: i need screenshots of /media for further move |
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| 09:21.07 | jaggz- | how do I let my friend hookup his laptop to mine and use my wifi ? |
| 09:21.10 | ntsasng | rumpsy: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6863/screenshotcl.png |
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| 09:21.24 | jaggz- | I don't want to fiddle with my wpa key and stuff right now, but we can hook our laptops to each other |
| 09:21.28 | rumpsy | ntsasng: o_O |
| 09:21.34 | ntsasng | I install wrong? |
| 09:21.37 | jaggz- | or a url would be good too |
| 09:21.56 | rumpsy | ntsasng: create folders under those mount point names |
| 09:21.57 | ntsasng | rumpsy: i install wrong? |
| 09:22.29 | streuner | jaggz-: ipmasq? |
| 09:22.41 | ntsasng | where create? |
| 09:23.04 | rumpsy | ntsasng: no wrong installation, you have to create, folder, like, DATA, SETUP, WIN |
| 09:23.06 | ntsasng | rumpsy: create under /media? |
| 09:23.11 | rumpsy | inside /media |
| 09:23.15 | NoReflex | cast: i could not find anything on how to use mdadm to recover the data from the drive? |
| 09:23.18 | ntsasng | okie |
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| 09:23.30 | NoReflex | do i have to set up a raid device on the new system? |
| 09:23.40 | streuner | jaggz-: i would just install ipmasq and use the laptop as router, pretty easy. |
| 09:23.47 | rumpsy | ntsasng: use same name!, as capital letters |
| 09:23.56 | cast | NoReflex: didn't do a scan? |
| 09:24.26 | rumpsy | ntsasng: after that , try, mount -a |
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| 09:25.11 | ntsasng | rumpsy: thank a lot |
| 09:25.13 | ntsasng | :X |
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| 09:25.29 | rumpsy | ntsasng: \o/ |
| 09:25.33 | ntsasng | rumpsy: thank you verry much |
| 09:25.35 | ntsasng | :X |
| 09:25.45 | rumpsy | ntsasng: welcome |
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| 09:26.03 | ntsasng | on Debian |
| 09:26.14 | ntsasng | have'nt nautilus as ubuntu |
| 09:26.15 | ntsasng | :D |
| 09:26.22 | ntsasng | i'm Vietnamese |
| 09:26.24 | rumpsy | yes |
| 09:26.35 | NoReflex | cast: i tried mdadm --monitor --scan ... i'm waiting for it to finish |
| 09:26.39 | ntsasng | I speak English not verry well |
| 09:26.39 | rumpsy | oh, cool |
| 09:26.40 | ntsasng | :( |
| 09:26.52 | ntsasng | thank rumpsy so much |
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| 09:27.09 | NoReflex | cast:is it normal to take a long time? |
| 09:27.21 | rumpsy | I'll be here at any time :) |
| 09:27.25 | rumpsy | brb |
| 09:27.39 | ntsasng | okie |
| 09:27.42 | ntsasng | :D |
| 09:28.13 | jaggz- | steuner, not just forward the packets? |
| 09:28.13 | ntsasng | i install Debian on morning |
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| 09:29.08 | streuner | jaggz-: well, its via ethernet then |
| 09:29.13 | ntsasng | rumpsy: how old are you? |
| 09:29.36 | rumpsy | ntsasng: not in here, goto #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:30.05 | ntsasng | rumpsy: okie |
| 09:30.10 | ntsasng | see you |
| 09:30.32 | rumpsy | ntsasng: come there, #debian-offtopic |
| 09:31.04 | NoReflex | cast mdadm --monitor --seemed not to do anything so i killed it? |
| 09:31.06 | NoReflex | ... |
| 09:31.27 | rumpsy | ntsasng: come to offtopic? |
| 09:31.40 | ntsasng | i comed it |
| 09:31.41 | ntsasng | :) |
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| 09:39.52 | NoReflex | cast: Are you there? |
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| 09:42.34 | cast | NoReflex: there's a --scan isn't there ;P |
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| 09:43.49 | NoReflex | cast: mdstat: Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10] md_d0 : inactive sdb1[1](S) 244139648 blocks |
| 09:44.27 | cast | so is sdb1 it? |
| 09:45.08 | NoReflex | yes; sdb is the drive i'mtrying to recover the data from |
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| 09:51.57 | uwe | hello ... i did a stuped upgrade yesterday, and now im having this issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566977 , i can find no suggestion on getting samba to work again ! help !!! |
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| 10:03.51 | krion | hi |
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| 10:04.46 | jez9999 | Hi. I'd like to address the problem of using NetworkManager with wired interfaces. |
| 10:05.03 | cast | by not using network manager? :) |
| 10:05.46 | jez9999 | NetworkManager takes a bit of time to detect and make such interfaces available to the system, which is fine for wireless interfaces, but daemons running on startup will fail because they expect these interfaces to be available instantly. |
| 10:06.16 | jez9999 | I'd kind of like to use NetworkManager, because it means I'd be using a unified tool to manage all my network connections, which feels cleaner than using it for some, and a textfile for others. |
| 10:06.19 | cast | set them up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:06.43 | jez9999 | but is there any way to get it to set up the wired interfaces instantly, or something? |
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| 10:07.05 | cast | dunno WTF NM does, i don't use it, but that file will sort you out, as its what /etc/init.d/networking start will reference |
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| 10:07.30 | jez9999 | sure |
| 10:07.31 | pirx | hello! trying to install debian (4.0) in virtual machine (virtualbox). when i get to "select and install software" the installation process just hangs with "Please wait..." after having selected/deselected what i want to install. any suggestions what could cause this? is it just at this moment when it tries to connect to the net perhaps (and maybe that doesnt work)? i have tried several different iso's (netinst, cd, dvd) |
| 10:07.42 | jez9999 | virtually no-one seems to use NetworkManager, which is a shame :-( |
| 10:07.44 | simonrvn | i thought this regex: \(([[:alnum:]]+)\) would match something like: ((PLZ|HELP)!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!!)) , but doesn't. how can i do this? |
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| 10:07.53 | jez9999 | Linux could do with a decent GUI network configuration tool IMHO. |
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| 10:08.08 | jez9999 | Windows manages it fine |
| 10:08.13 | cast | jez9999: why? it's a kernel |
| 10:08.16 | pom | Can I set a userpassword without entering at the prompt provided by passwd |
| 10:08.23 | jez9999 | ok, Linux distros |
| 10:08.24 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 10:08.28 | cast | besides, GUIs are annoying. they run crap over telnet |
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| 10:08.45 | jez9999 | im not running over telnet, so i don't care. |
| 10:08.55 | cast | [and likewise serial console connections, high latency ssh connections, low bandwidth connections] |
| 10:09.02 | cast | [and are annoying to automate] |
| 10:09.03 | jez9999 | not running over them. |
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| 10:09.33 | jez9999 | besides, there's no reason NetworkManager cant function as a good GUI tool and also be accessible from the commandline |
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| 10:10.09 | cast | it could |
| 10:10.13 | cast | but it would still have plenty of issues |
| 10:10.22 | cast | like tonnes of dependencies |
| 10:10.56 | raminnietzsche | who can send this files to me? "/home/user/.wine/drive_c/windows/gecko" |
| 10:11.00 | cast | i think if you give it 3 minutes, you'll find /etc/network/interfaces to be a very nice way to configure eth connections |
| 10:11.01 | raminnietzsche | ramin.najarbashi@gmail.com |
| 10:11.23 | jez9999 | i've given it a lot more than 3 minutes |
| 10:11.24 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 10:11.27 | jez9999 | i find it a bit of a pain |
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| 10:11.49 | jez9999 | and as i said before, i like the idea of a unified tool for managing all network connections, rather than 2 things |
| 10:12.03 | cast | only has one thing ;) |
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| 10:14.30 | jez9999 | what would be good is if there were some way to tell networkmanager 'this connection must be set up before the process returns' |
| 10:14.47 | jez9999 | that way it could be run at boot up before daemons, and the interfaces would be guaranteed to be up |
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| 10:16.00 | dmarkey | if i have a virtual package linux-headers, how do i uninstall it |
| 10:16.21 | dmarkey | or uninstall what the real package is |
| 10:16.47 | craigevil | jez9999: better yet dont have nm manage wired network, much simpler that way |
| 10:17.00 | jez9999 | craigevil: like i havent heard that a million times. |
| 10:17.01 | cast | but what about UNIFICATION?! |
| 10:17.04 | cast | windows can do it |
| 10:17.06 | jez9999 | quite. :-) |
| 10:17.14 | meiskam | !nodm |
| 10:17.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 10:17.16 | jez9999 | using a textfile for wired connections is messy |
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| 10:17.25 | cast | the trend towards making guis for everything annoys me a bit |
| 10:17.27 | jez9999 | if you use nm for other connections |
| 10:17.35 | cast | text files have been working great for decades |
| 10:17.39 | raminnietzsche | (who can send this files to me? "/home/user/.wine/drive_c/windows/gecko" <ramin.najarbashi@gmail.com> :D ) |
| 10:17.45 | pirx | pom: tried "here documents" in bash? |
| 10:17.51 | jez9999 | well if you're using the system as a desktop system that you want to look nice, a gui is desirable. |
| 10:17.53 | jez9999 | and i am. |
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| 10:19.01 | cast | setting off wired network is a once off, and doesn't change how things look :\ |
| 10:19.37 | themill | s/is/is usually/ |
| 10:20.07 | jez9999 | i dunno, you might want to change network settings occasionally |
| 10:20.11 | jez9999 | dns servers, default gateway |
| 10:20.14 | jez9999 | adding a new network card |
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| 10:20.56 | cast | most home users use DHCP, as do many organisations |
| 10:21.19 | jez9999 | frankly, from what i've heard from most Linux users, i don't know why they don't remove the wired tab and rename it 'wirelessmanager' |
| 10:21.21 | cast | servers certainly need hard coded ips, though :) |
| 10:21.53 | gordonjcp | cast: not necessarily |
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| 10:22.30 | gordonjcp | cast: I use DHCP for the servers |
| 10:22.50 | gordonjcp | cast: I *do* have the DHCP server handing it a fixed IP |
| 10:23.09 | gordonjcp | cast: it saves a lot of faffing about |
| 10:23.21 | raminnietzsche | i need "wine_gecko*.cab" file! |
| 10:23.26 | jez9999 | i mean nobody recommends using NetworkManager for wired connections. nobody. so why does it even have that functionality? |
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| 10:23.34 | jez9999 | even its own site doesn't seem to mention wired connections. |
| 10:23.37 | jez9999 | it's all abour wireless! |
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| 10:23.44 | themill | jez9999: I use n-m for wired connections on my laptop |
| 10:23.54 | cast | gordonjcp: fixed based on MAC? |
| 10:24.11 | jez9999 | themill: im guessing you dont run any servers from it. :-) |
| 10:24.33 | jez9999 | the trouble is the incompatibility between the way NM sets things up, and the way servers work on bootup |
| 10:24.40 | themill | jez9999: You also don't normally use wireless on servers... what's your point? |
| 10:24.45 | jez9999 | there has to be some way to resolve it. if there were i could use NM for everything/. |
| 10:24.56 | themill | jez9999: thought you said this was a desktop? |
| 10:24.59 | jez9999 | yep |
| 10:25.10 | themill | so what's the problem? |
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| 10:25.31 | jez9999 | i just come at this with a different mentality from you lot. :-) |
| 10:25.38 | jez9999 | i think it's cleaner to use one tool to manage all network connections |
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| 10:26.02 | themill | still doesn't understand wtf jez9999 is on about |
| 10:26.38 | jez9999 | using networkmanager for everything |
| 10:26.40 | cast | he wants a single GUI to manage all networking things, and do away with ever editing /etc/network/interfaces, like windows has |
| 10:26.41 | jez9999 | ... including wired connections. |
| 10:27.06 | themill | jez9999: umm... we just established that you can use n-m for wired connections. So what's your point? |
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| 10:27.14 | jez9999 | themill: it sets them up too slowly. |
| 10:27.24 | jez9999 | not in time for daemons to have access to them on boot. |
| 10:27.38 | themill | jez9999: what daemons are running on your desktop that need access to them on boot? |
| 10:27.42 | jez9999 | hdcp. |
| 10:27.45 | jez9999 | dhcp |
| 10:27.58 | themill | wtf? |
| 10:28.16 | cast | lul |
| 10:28.16 | jez9999 | it's both a desktop and a router for my internal network |
| 10:28.22 | jez9999 | ... |
| 10:28.23 | gordonjcp | cast: yes |
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| 10:28.42 | cast | gordonjcp: we do something similar, when kickstarting, |
| 10:29.09 | gordonjcp | cast: with a suitably clever switch you can do DHCP per port ;-) |
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| 10:30.29 | cast | gordonjcp: the server initially uses DHCP to get its ip/gw/dns while its installing, but it ends up hard coded, [iirc, only used it a few times] |
| 10:30.44 | gordonjcp | cast: fair enough |
| 10:31.19 | jez9999 | the other answer would be to have dhcp and other servers use some signaling mechanism with NM, so it could inform them when it's setup a new interface. |
| 10:31.23 | gordonjcp | cast: one reason I use dhcp is that if I put a machine on a different network (like for testing) I know where it is and I can ssh in |
| 10:31.39 | jez9999 | that's much worse though as you have to change a bunch of servers that rely on interfaces being immediately available :-) |
| 10:31.59 | jez9999 | what needs to happen is NM having that ability to guarantee interfaces being setup immediately |
| 10:32.00 | themill | jez9999: /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 10:33.21 | themill | jez9999: understand that n-m is *designed* to be asynchronous because that's the job that it's supposed to do for the desktop user. On the other hand, static IP configuration is designed to be synchronous. What you're doing is the equivalent of complaining that rm deleted the file when all you wanted to do was copy it somewhere. Use the right tool for the job. |
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| 10:34.20 | jez9999 | i guess i want it to be extended to also be designed for server config |
| 10:34.21 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 10:34.28 | jez9999 | and it doesn't seem like that big an extension |
| 10:35.20 | themill | right.. because "fork off and wait for a message from the logged in user" and "magically get your configuration from somewhere and do it all right now" are really quite similar modes of operation. |
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| 10:35.48 | jez9999 | magically?? |
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| 10:36.24 | themill | jez9999: where do you propose that it should get it from? |
| 10:37.04 | jez9999 | either NM manages /etc/network/interfaces and you dont touch it, or the server uses a networkmanager-provided commandline tool to get config info |
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| 10:38.00 | themill | !dbugs 438544 |
| 10:38.05 | dpkg | #438544:W[wnpp] ITP: cnetworkmanager -- Command line interface to NetworkManager (); Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:18:03 UTC [511693] |
| 10:38.08 | themill | knock yourself out... |
| 10:39.07 | NoReflex | cast: I still didn't succeed to mount my drive :( |
| 10:39.28 | NoReflex | cat /proc/mdstat still says : md_d0 : inactive sdb1[1](S) |
| 10:39.29 | NoReflex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:40.00 | jez9999 | themill: yeah but that one would require dhcpd to be modified |
| 10:40.21 | jez9999 | actually i forgot one, this is probably the most desirable to me.... get NM to block until it sets up certain interfaces |
| 10:40.44 | jez9999 | (or errors out) |
| 10:41.03 | themill | jez9999: it's *designed* to be asynchronous. If you want something synchronous, then use the tools that are there already |
| 10:41.19 | jez9999 | it could be extended to be both. |
| 10:41.43 | jez9999 | the tools there already arent a gui and mean using more than 1 thing for network config. |
| 10:41.43 | jez9999 | :-) |
| 10:41.43 | themill | jez9999: if you think it's so easy, send patches. They'll be fun... |
| 10:42.15 | jez9999 | hmm, does that 'dbugs' have an http interface? |
| 10:42.25 | themill | jez9999: bugs.debian.org? |
| 10:42.31 | NoReflex | anybody know the channel for mdadm, raid on linux? |
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| 10:42.40 | jez9999 | probably ought to link to the bug's url |
| 10:42.41 | jez9999 | :-) |
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| 10:44.04 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367437/ |
| 10:44.14 | cast | NoReflex: i'd have a read of http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:mdadm#ASSEMBLE_MODE |
| 10:44.16 | ntsasng | help me :) |
| 10:44.46 | NoReflex | cast: unfortunately my webserver is down and I don't really have the time to learn now :( |
| 10:45.01 | ntsasng | help me |
| 10:45.01 | ranix | ntsasng: cat /proc/version |
| 10:45.04 | ntsasng | please |
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| 10:45.37 | ntsasng | ranix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367438/ |
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| 10:46.11 | NoReflex | cat I tried mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md0 and it says mdadm: /dev/md0 not identified in config file. |
| 10:46.15 | ranix | ntsasng: what were you trying to do when you got this output |
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| 10:46.45 | ntsasng | I install java machine vitual |
| 10:46.50 | NoReflex | cast: even though my /etc/mdadm.conf has ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=2 devices=/dev/sdb1,missing |
| 10:46.54 | cast | and without the /dev/md9? |
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| 10:47.05 | cast | 0* |
| 10:47.35 | ranix | ntsasng: does whereis update-rc.d give you any output? |
| 10:47.38 | ntsasng | ranix: i installing java jdk |
| 10:47.51 | themill | ntsasng: what does "echo $PATH" say? |
| 10:48.08 | simonrvn | you *are* aware ntsasng is on ubuntu eh |
| 10:48.22 | themill | simonrvn: with a debian kernel? :( |
| 10:48.42 | simonrvn | well, that's what s/he told me earlier |
| 10:48.47 | ntsasng | simonrvn: yes |
| 10:48.51 | ranix | he pasted his proc/version |
| 10:48.53 | ntsasng | :"> |
| 10:48.58 | ranix | ntsasng: did you try to dist-upgrade from ubuntu to debian? |
| 10:49.03 | ntsasng | export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
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| 10:49.05 | ntsasng | ? |
| 10:49.19 | ntsasng | paste it in to .profile |
| 10:49.20 | ntsasng | ? |
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| 10:49.45 | ntsasng | ranix: i'm new install Debian from CD |
| 10:49.51 | NoReflex | cast: it says mdadm: No arrays found in config file or automatically |
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| 10:50.03 | simonrvn | ah |
| 10:50.10 | cast | :( |
| 10:50.22 | ranix | ntsasng: does whereis update-rc.d give you any output? |
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| 10:51.10 | ntsasng | ranix: i install java jdk |
| 10:51.21 | ranix | ntsasng: I suggest asking for help in your native language |
| 10:51.22 | ntsasng | appear that out |
| 10:51.23 | ntsasng | :D |
| 10:51.28 | ranix | on oftc |
| 10:51.30 | ranix | !oftc |
| 10:51.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
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| 10:51.52 | ntsasng | ranix:I'm Vietnamese |
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| 10:52.03 | ntsasng | ranix: i speak English not verry well |
| 10:52.06 | ntsasng | Sorry |
| 10:52.16 | ranix | they may have a vietnamese channel |
| 10:52.19 | ranix | no need to apologize |
| 10:52.24 | ranix | worth looking |
| 10:52.40 | jez9999 | wow. |
| 10:52.48 | ranix | just trying to find the best solution for you. If they don't have a populated channel come back and we'll see what we can do |
| 10:52.54 | jez9999 | debian's bug reporting system is the most terrible i've ever seen. based around e-mail? in this day and age? haha. |
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| 10:53.05 | jez9999 | i'm just gonna report it as an ubuntu bug |
| 10:53.06 | themill | jez9999: see now you *are* just trolling. |
| 10:53.15 | jez9999 | it's da truth |
| 10:53.16 | ranix | jez9999: I tried to get themill to switch to Google Wave but he hit me with a 2x4 |
| 10:53.40 | jez9999 | bugzilla would be nicer |
| 10:53.40 | cast | yeah, we should update it to use twitter |
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| 10:53.52 | themill | jez9999: you've clearly never used bugzilla |
| 10:53.58 | MJBrune | i need help setting up my ati video card |
| 10:54.05 | themill | jez9999: compare the quality of bug reports on ubuntu with those in debian where debian's reportbug includes necessary information. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 10:54.10 | MJBrune | its a radeon 9800 and i don't know what driver to use |
| 10:54.17 | ntsasng | ranix: in VietNam Debian users not much |
| 10:54.18 | ntsasng | :D |
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| 10:55.21 | Stereo | hello |
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| 10:55.41 | jez9999 | themill: i'm seeting a ton of bugs in package wnpp alone |
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| 10:55.49 | jez9999 | so it seems there are just as many junk bug reports |
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| 10:56.01 | ranix | ntsasng: try installing your java as root |
| 10:56.09 | Stereo | I was reading about apt-proxy, and was wondering how much disk space it typically requires. We have both i386 and amd64 and a mix of lenny and etch ; mostly a bunch of lamps |
| 10:56.10 | themill | jez9999: perhaps you'd like to read them and understand what they are about. More reading less whining. |
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| 10:56.24 | MJBrune | !fglrx |
| 10:56.24 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. Removed from testing due to xorg transition, does not support xorg 7.5 as of fglrx-driver 1:10-1-1. Lenny and Etch users: ask about <fglrx one-liner> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:56.25 | themill | dpkg: tell jez9999 about wnpp |
| 10:56.30 | ranix | Stereo: linux, apache, mysql, php |
| 10:56.34 | simonrvn | jez9999: understand before you whine |
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| 10:56.37 | ntsasng | ranix: NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 10:56.37 | ntsasng | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 10:57.09 | ranix | ntsasng: yes I read your pastebin, bro from vietnam |
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| 10:57.33 | ntsasng | :D |
| 10:57.34 | ntsasng | okie |
| 10:58.20 | ntsasng | ranix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/367446/ |
| 10:58.51 | ranix | ntsasng: I suggest reboot |
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| 11:00.39 | Stereo | ranix: yeah |
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| 11:04.13 | ojo | hey, I'm looking for a program that can help me remove my clone mp3 based on there id3-tags. |
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| 11:07.26 | ojo | anyone? |
| 11:08.10 | petemc | ojo: i dont know if it specifically does id3tags, but perhaps look at fslint |
| 11:08.21 | jez9999 | So... is Debian ever likely to get a web-based bug reporting system? :-) |
| 11:08.32 | ojo | petemc: gonna try that |
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| 11:10.00 | ojo | petemc: fslint is only for files that are compleatly the same, doesn't look at the Id3 tags |
| 11:10.39 | petemc | yes, i had a little proviso in my previous comment to cover such a situation |
| 11:11.10 | ojo | you know anything else... because I'm running out of idea's... |
| 11:11.24 | petemc | if i did i would have suggested it already.. |
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| 11:11.39 | ojo | tx anyway :) |
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| 11:15.01 | ntsasng | ranix: are you here? |
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| 11:15.48 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/367446/ |
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| 11:16.12 | ntsasng | help me |
| 11:16.14 | ntsasng | :D |
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| 11:18.23 | sterna | hi, i've noticed there's no sun java 1.6.0_18 available yet in unstable |
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| 11:18.42 | gorp | Salut les tapettes |
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| 11:19.26 | sterna | the new garbage collection scheme and other important performance improvemets would be most welcome, is there any place i can monitor progress on this? |
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| 11:20.12 | qwd | sterna: google this: bjorn debian testing |
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| 11:20.20 | steve_j | hi folks |
| 11:20.37 | steve_j | is it easy to use ntp to set the clocks on my lenny server(s)? |
| 11:20.41 | qwd | Search the package on that site and you'll see what's holding the package back. |
| 11:20.46 | steve_j | they're in the cloud and they're falling outta sync! |
| 11:21.01 | sterna | qwd: thanks |
| 11:21.14 | p0g0__ | steve_j: ntpdate |
| 11:21.36 | ambuli | hi all, i have deleted a package dpkg -r, now when i update apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade, it is not installing the package which i deleted. |
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| 11:22.04 | ambuli | could someone help me .. |
| 11:22.23 | Spr3ng | have u tryed aptitude ? |
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| 11:22.37 | qwd | ambuli: have you tried installing instead of updating and upgrading? |
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| 11:23.19 | p0g0__ | ambuli: I'd guess that the package you deleted has neither been updated nor upgraded. |
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| 11:26.37 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 11:27.28 | steve_j | p0g0__ thanks |
| 11:27.41 | steve_j | i just installed ntp and that seems to have put the daemon in place |
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| 11:28.36 | p0g0__ | steve_j: You may have just created your own local time server. ntpdate is the client. |
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| 11:29.28 | steve_j | ahhhh |
| 11:29.48 | steve_j | better remove ntp then |
| 11:29.49 | steve_j | :) |
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| 11:30.01 | kompulsive | heads up to any domain nerds, the .LU extension has just been made available to the general public as of a few hours ago...give or take. its no longer necessary to have an administrative contact in luxembourg. |
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| 11:30.39 | oggei | aloha |
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| 11:32.01 | steve_j | p0g0__ do i have to cron it or anything? |
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| 11:33.42 | p0g0__ | steve_j: I think so. but you might read the man page. |
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| 11:37.28 | ambuli | p0g0__, so is there any way to install all missing packages from repository ? |
| 11:38.25 | TiMiDo | ambuli, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:38.32 | steve_j | p0g0__ interestingly, while ntpdate says server 2's clock it out by 66 seconds, it doesn't actually set it again |
| 11:38.34 | p0g0__ | ambuli: sure, just dpgk -i each missing package...or use a gui tool to do the same thing. |
| 11:39.19 | p0g0__ | steve_j: I think there is some limit to the amount of time it will fix, the jitter setting, iirc. |
| 11:39.38 | steve_j | ah ok thanks - will look at confs |
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| 11:39.51 | steve_j | surely 66 seconds is more than default jitter tho :) |
| 11:39.58 | kacperinjo | siema :) |
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| 11:40.10 | ttl- | greeting |
| 11:40.12 | p0g0__ | TiMiDo: I don't think that is correct in this case. He just removed a single package that has not hand any new activity to trigger it as an upgrade. |
| 11:40.22 | p0g0__ | *had |
| 11:40.51 | ambuli | p0g0__, but it shows lots of dependencies while i install individually. |
| 11:41.22 | ambuli | any way to get installed dependencies packages also ? |
| 11:41.27 | simonrvn | 66 sec it will fix that fine. i usually bring it to within a few minutes. then run ntpdate before i start up the ntp daemon |
| 11:41.40 | ttl- | i'm running testing, did dist-upgrade and am stranded with being unable to install gnome-desktop-evironment due to missing empathy package... |
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| 11:42.21 | simonrvn | testing is like that... |
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| 11:42.37 | ttl- | simonrvn: yeah :) |
| 11:43.06 | ttl- | simonrvn: sometimes it is |
| 11:44.56 | steve_j | wtf? i set the date and then my system overrides it |
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| 11:45.57 | simonrvn | set date first; run ntpdate; set hwclock; start ntpd if it's been really buggered |
| 11:46.11 | simonrvn | (not in that order) |
| 11:46.15 | steve_j | ah hwclock... that might beit |
| 11:46.38 | steve_j | i did date --set 11:42:00 to try it manually, it saw the date |
| 11:46.43 | steve_j | but then reset it again |
| 11:46.49 | steve_j | presuably that's the hwclock then? |
| 11:47.40 | simonrvn | that i haven't seen before other than some process doing it |
| 11:47.57 | steve_j | i'm on EC2 |
| 11:48.05 | steve_j | and am wondering if there's something up with that |
| 11:48.12 | steve_j | Amazon's image or whatever |
| 11:49.40 | steve_j | simonrvn which order do you recommend your list in ? :) |
| 11:49.42 | simonrvn | i wouldn't know |
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| 11:50.30 | simonrvn | date; hwclock; ntpdate; ntpd - though i'd maybe run hwclock --systohc again before starting ntpd |
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| 11:52.02 | steve_j | should i be running ntpdate or ntpd? i have the former installed, not the latter |
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| 11:52.49 | simonrvn | ntpdate is only a one-shot |
| 11:52.56 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have two independent ISPs connected to my debian server. I want to do multiple routing too. 1st ISP (eth2) gave me IP address 1.2.3.4/26 and 2nd ISP (eth3) gave me IP address 5.6.7.8/24 My DNS name points to 1.2.3.4. How can I set up things so that anyone who connects by DNS name even from network 5.6.7.0/24 would reach my machine without problems? |
| 11:53.00 | simonrvn | !ntpd |
| 11:53.04 | simonrvn | !ntp |
| 11:53.05 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. See also <set time>. |
| 11:53.16 | simonrvn | !set time |
| 11:53.17 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 11:54.04 | simonrvn | ntpd is to *keep* it set properly |
| 11:55.13 | steve_j | simonrvn yeah, that's what i want, for sure |
| 11:55.32 | steve_j | but it just seems mad that syslog is saying it's adjusting the time, but then it's being overriden by something else |
| 11:55.54 | simonrvn | show me |
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| 11:58.43 | simonrvn | hid3: try #netfilter or #networking |
| 11:59.08 | steve_j | simonrvn ah.. EC2 runs on Xen and instances take their time from the host box |
| 11:59.15 | steve_j | which uses NTP itself |
| 11:59.21 | steve_j | but you can't override it |
| 11:59.28 | steve_j | based on something i read here: doesn't let you override the clock |
| 11:59.34 | steve_j | http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/thread.jspa;jsessionid=668C6C0AC335488B32EAEB71EA97A726?messageID=50437씅 |
| 11:59.48 | simonrvn | so then you're screwed ;p |
| 11:59.51 | steve_j | yeah |
| 11:59.56 | steve_j | fucksticks |
| 11:59.58 | simonrvn | adapt to the host's |
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| 12:02.39 | steve_j | we've got n instances runnig across m hosts |
| 12:02.48 | steve_j | clearly one of those bloody EC2 hosts is out of sync with the others |
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| 12:06.21 | simonrvn | then i suggest they fix it ;) |
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| 12:07.13 | hid3 | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 12:19.32 | krisfremen | ok.... guys, i just got some weird stuff all over my terminals |
| 12:19.35 | krisfremen | http://pastebin.com/d326f81f1 |
| 12:19.57 | krisfremen | can anyone explain what the hell just happened?? |
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| 12:21.06 | krisfremen | anyone? |
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| 12:22.22 | rvsjoen | a kernel module crashed ? |
| 12:22.27 | oggei | maybe your disk is dying |
| 12:22.53 | rvsjoen | post a bugreport, the log tells you where to cut |
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| 12:24.01 | oggei | krisfremen: something memory related is going bad, try to swapoff -a and check swap for bad clusters |
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| 12:30.42 | krisfremen | oggei: smartctl shows that everything is fine with the hard disks, and i stress tested the ram a week ago |
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| 12:35.51 | oggei | krisfremen: smart isn't so smart |
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| 12:36.46 | oggei | and anyway before problems one have no problems, so as a rule of thumb no matter what you did in the past |
| 12:37.34 | krisfremen | i'll upgrade the kernel and see what happens |
| 12:38.24 | oggei | you can do what you want |
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| 12:42.09 | pirx | hello! i want to put certain packages on "hold" before doing my upgrade from lenny to etch. tried "aptitude hold <pkg>", but i dont get much feedback that it succeeded, and when i start dselect and search for <pkg> it does not show up as being on hold "=". how should i verify that the holds suceed? |
| 12:43.41 | linduxed | earlier today i asked about an issue i have with gnome-terminal and xterm, but had posted the details on the wrong forum |
| 12:43.42 | themill | pirx: "aptitude search ~ahold" but note that putting things on hold is a great way of breaking the upgrade |
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| 12:44.15 | linduxed | i reposted it on the debian forums, so if anyone can, please help me out with the following issueÄ |
| 12:44.20 | linduxed | *issue: |
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| 12:44.41 | linduxed | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49109 |
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| 12:45.46 | oggei | linduxed: see if gnome terminal combo bindings aren't conflicting with your needed ones (edit shortcuts) |
| 12:46.15 | linduxed | oggei: this has already been checked, and as far as i can tell there arent any conflicts |
| 12:46.19 | linduxed | also |
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| 12:46.30 | linduxed | the same issue occurs with urxvt |
| 12:46.40 | linduxed | so i think this is something else |
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| 12:52.29 | karuru_ | hi, is there a application wich transfers email's via pop3 from another mail account to my own mailserver? i run postfix + debian |
| 12:52.53 | themill | fetchmail |
| 12:53.20 | karuru_ | thank you themill |
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| 13:06.00 | Ganymede | if i have superuser access, is there some command i can run to dump the virtual memory of a process into a file? i'd like to look through it for some specific data... |
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| 13:06.21 | basty | good day |
| 13:06.44 | basty | does anyone know where to get the debian 5.0.4 netinstall iso? I cant find it on ftp.debian.org |
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| 13:07.14 | Good-maN | Ganymede: sorry notime but i found with google something http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4681 |
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| 13:07.35 | Ganymede | Good-maN, thanks, i'll look into it |
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| 13:12.27 | basty | mhhh - seems that there is still no iso for the 5.0.4, is it ? |
| 13:13.22 | Good-maN | basty: i am not sure if its lenny or squeeze 5.0.4 but i think there must be net isos |
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| 13:14.48 | basty | Good-maN: Mhh....I already checked a lot of debian mirrors - the only version that I can find is the "old" 5.0.3 - Problem is, that I need to reinstall a new DELL PowerEdge R410 - the network card is not supported by 5.0.3... |
| 13:15.51 | lsd | basty, hmm we installed R410s recently using lenny images |
| 13:15.57 | lsd | wasn't directly involved though |
| 13:16.01 | lsd | basty, is it a firmware issue? |
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| 13:18.08 | lsd | basty, if you check dmesg can you see anything relevant? |
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| 13:19.54 | basty | lsd: just checked the dmesg - cant find anyhting...seems that the driver is just not supported. Its a brand new DELL R410 (about 2 days old). |
| 13:19.57 | lsd | basty, yup firmware issue, thought so. you can modify the base iso to include the new bnx2 firmware |
| 13:20.16 | basty | lsd: ah okay..how can I modify it ? ;-) |
| 13:20.20 | lsd | i've done it before, a long time ago. there were instructions on the net somewhere. you need to use some arcane cpio magic |
| 13:20.30 | Absolute0 | I plan to get a new laptop on which I will most probably install Debian, what are some recommend laptops to choose from? I am currently looking at Lenovo, Dell and HP. |
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| 13:22.36 | lsd | basty, actually if i recall, you only need to streamline the firmware into the image if you don't have physical access to the server (say, PXE boot install) |
| 13:22.54 | lsd | basty, else you can just put the firmware on a USB storage device... |
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| 13:24.18 | lsd | http://insanelabs.com/debian/debian-lenny-cannot-load-broadcom-nic-drivers-asking-for-firmware-bnx2-06-405fw-during-install/ |
| 13:24.19 | basty | lsd: i have physical access of course - because the os is still not installed.. ;-) I have already put the firmware of the broadcom to the usb device - but it seems, that the setup is not willing to install it...it tells me something, that it cant find any kernel modules... |
| 13:24.21 | jelly | dpkg: tell basty about kmuto |
| 13:25.03 | lsd | basty, the installer does check connected USB storage devices at several points during the install, including when it tries to detect network devices |
| 13:25.17 | lsd | perhaps it's having difficulty recognising your USB device |
| 13:25.25 | lsd | anyway i'll leave it to the experts to help... i've gotta get lunch :) |
| 13:25.40 | basty | ehehe okay - have a good one..and thanks much for the information ;-) |
| 13:26.01 | jelly | basty: if your hardware is too new even for 2.6.32, you'll have to use driver (source) from vendor |
| 13:26.17 | lsd | r410s are fine with 2.6.26 even |
| 13:26.22 | lsd | my guys just installed 6 of them last week |
| 13:26.27 | lsd | bbl |
| 13:27.02 | basty | jelly: the machine seems to work with Ubunto 9.X - so I guess the Problem is solved with a newer kernel |
| 13:29.11 | basty | jelly: i will try the kmuto 2.6.32 iso |
| 13:29.12 | basty | thanks ! |
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| 13:29.41 | basty | ...hopefully it will be safe to use that one for a productiv system |
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| 13:31.09 | basty | bye for now..and thanks much, lsd |
| 13:31.14 | basty | and jelly of course ;-) |
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| 13:32.23 | awk | hi guys, apache and httpd nobody replies.. I have installed phpbb, its been so long since I uised the apache conf, instead of going to www.domain.com/phpbb how can I have it go to www.domain.com that will have the /phpbb as the siteroot... here is my apache conf http://pastebin.com/m250e3ff5 if I sym link /var/www/www.teamaccord.co.za to the path of the phpbb it works but I get no icons.. and as you can see the images have their own alias |
| 13:32.59 | awk | if I try change the doc root to the path of the phpbb then it complains can't browse / |
| 13:33.09 | awk | and I'm not sure its my allow directives.. |
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| 13:33.52 | awk | tried to look for .htaccess and thats not restricting it... what is the easiest way to do this? I could setup a index.php that will redirect to www.domain.com/alias however it will then show the /alias at the end unless I cloak it |
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| 13:37.44 | krion | any hint for a "getty -L" who just disappear ? |
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| 13:38.15 | krion | inittab should "run" a standard T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt100 but it's not shown as running process |
| 13:38.55 | krion | is there a way to rerun inittab without rebooting the server ? (i try to init 2 then init 3 then init 2 with no luck) |
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| 13:39.37 | jelly | krion: init q |
| 13:39.51 | jelly | krion: or kill -HUP 1 |
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| 13:40.06 | krion | i would man to have the meaning of q |
| 13:40.14 | jelly | you would. |
| 13:40.15 | krion | because i don't want to loose network access to it |
| 13:41.09 | dummies_freelanc | i try compiler one kernel and have this wrong http://www.pastie.org/805840 |
| 13:41.16 | dummies_freelanc | how can fix this |
| 13:41.17 | jelly | then again, if you read it you'd already have your answer, krion |
| 13:41.59 | krion | jelly: that's true, i was first pointing about the getty -L who disapear |
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| 13:43.15 | krion | jelly: man 5 init doesn't tell me what init q would do |
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| 13:44.02 | krion | sorry i was looking at my kubuntu who's not the same init :D |
| 13:44.13 | jelly | !spank krion |
| 13:44.13 | dpkg | bends krion over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 13:44.52 | tellurian | awk: perhaps you need to alias / instead of /phpbb3 |
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| 13:49.03 | Fahim | Hey All |
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| 13:53.25 | awk | thanks guys got it working |
| 13:53.33 | awk | removed all alias and just setup directory to the path |
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| 13:55.19 | tellurian | awk: for some definition of working. www.teamaccord.co.za still renders broken image links ;-) |
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| 14:00.03 | ttl- | i'm having a problem with nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx driver |
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| 14:00.29 | ttl- | i can build nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx driver from source with no errors |
| 14:00.42 | buckfast | can't find cksfv in debian lenny reps, what else to use? |
| 14:00.54 | ttl- | moprobe says Invalid module format |
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| 14:01.52 | ttl- | tried to build with gcc 4.3.4-6 which is the version the kernel is build with |
| 14:02.01 | ttl- | same result |
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| 14:02.45 | ttl- | did this by changing /usr/bin/gcc symbolic link to version 4.3.4 |
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| 14:03.27 | ttl- | can't load X anymore... |
| 14:03.37 | ttl- | so back to basics |
| 14:03.39 | ttl- | lol |
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| 14:05.36 | jelly | buckfast: cfv |
| 14:05.46 | jelly | judd: info cfv |
| 14:05.48 | judd | cfv (utils): is optional; Version: 1.18.2-1; Size: 36.6k; Installed: 168k -- versatile file checksum creator and verifier |
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| 14:14.44 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. using the bonding module .. is it possible to do multiple bonding? i.e. 2x2 (802.3ad) encapsulated by master-slave bonding? |
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| 14:17.00 | qwd | pluesch0r: whoa, take it easy there buddy, this is a family friendly channel. |
| 14:17.52 | pluesch0r | qwd: creative. yet unhelpful. |
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| 14:19.23 | Smerdyakov | Is there a way to run "mount -o remount -B ..." such that the command succeeds even if the mount doesn't yet exist? I want a simple idempotent way of ensuring that a particular mount exists with the right configuration. |
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| 14:21.45 | abrotman | pluesch0r: so you want HA bonding ? |
| 14:21.58 | TomyLobo | new package libgdata1-cil-dev (sic) |
| 14:21.59 | urthmover | I am trying to create a very small debian installation (300MB of hd) and during the installation of the base system it appears to have hung at "Installed locales" is there a way to skip it and continue with the install? I plan on running localepurge anyway Suggestions? |
| 14:22.00 | pluesch0r | abrotman: i want link aggregated ha bonding. |
| 14:22.01 | TomyLobo | typo maybe? |
| 14:22.06 | TomyLobo | shouldn't it be cli? |
| 14:22.17 | pluesch0r | i want 2xGBit to two switches. |
| 14:22.23 | pluesch0r | and across those switches a master/slave setup |
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| 14:22.41 | pluesch0r | only question i've got is: should this work? or is multiple (encalsulated) bonding not supported? |
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| 14:23.08 | ttl- | i'm having a problem with loading nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx driver... Invalid module format ? |
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| 14:24.52 | NoReflex | Hey guys! I have problem with my ISP. There's a remote server - I can connect to it on and it responds to ping probes but I cannot determine the path (traceroute) it chooses. All I get are * ... only one rows has an IP address and times 120 ms.... |
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| 14:26.42 | jolaren | I'm having troubles installing debian from cd, I've read about network installer.. is it possible to install debian from annother live cd taht I have? Like DSL? |
| 14:26.57 | petemc | NoReflex: and whats the problem? |
| 14:26.59 | NoReflex | I tried traceroute -U, -T...but still I cannot determine the path...does this mean that none of the devices my connection goes through responds to the packets traceroute sends...or only my gateway? I don't have a public IP from my ISP - my "LAN" IP is 10.85.115.53 |
| 14:27.47 | petemc | theres not much you're going to be able to do about that |
| 14:27.56 | urthmover | sometimes using mtr instead of traceroute helps me |
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| 14:28.37 | urthmover | but often what you are experiencing is routers on the inside of the ISP not allowing poison reverse and there is not much you can do |
| 14:28.49 | NoReflex | petemc: I need to know which path it chooses....because latency is BIG ... the remote server is in the same country as me ... but instead of choosing a "short" route the packets seem to go over the ocean (in the US) and back; I'm from Romania |
| 14:29.07 | jolaren | Loading /install.386/vmlinuz.isolinux: Disk error 20 , AX =42BA, drive EF Boot failed: press a key to retry |
| 14:30.00 | jolaren | Anyone? Don't know what to do really |
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| 14:30.53 | jelly | jolaren: sounds like a bad usb key? |
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| 14:31.03 | jolaren | jelly; It's a rw cd |
| 14:31.10 | jolaren | jelly; Might be the CD that's screwed |
| 14:31.13 | jelly | a bad rw medium, then |
| 14:31.17 | jolaren | I don't know.. DSL boots great thought |
| 14:31.21 | jelly | I've given up on those |
| 14:31.37 | jolaren | Is it possible to install debian from i.e inside DSL? |
| 14:31.38 | jelly | probably doesn't touch that exact sector |
| 14:31.45 | NoReflex | petemc: I don't understand how I can connect to the server (port 80 for example)...but traceroute -T isn't able to show the path... |
| 14:32.02 | NoReflex | ( port 80 tcp ) |
| 14:32.15 | jelly | jolaren: yes but it'll be a bit convoluted. Read the release notes and see if there's something about a debootstrap method |
| 14:32.32 | petemc | NoReflex: either the routers along the way dont want to reply to your traceroute probes, or theres packet loss, either way there isnt much you can do |
| 14:32.40 | jolaren | jelly; I don't think my stupid old comp can boot from usb -.- |
| 14:32.45 | NoReflex | does traceroute use some information in the packets that might be "stripped" by mi ISP? |
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| 14:33.00 | jelly | !tell jolaren about lenny release notes |
| 14:33.01 | petemc | NoReflex: you could try tcptraceroute |
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| 14:33.29 | buckfast | jelly: thanks |
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| 14:34.20 | pluesch0r | abrotman: any idea? |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | pluesch0r: so you really want four Gb links .. one set of two to each switch |
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| 14:34.55 | pluesch0r | yes. |
| 14:35.01 | jolaren | jelly; I will try to boot from usb and hope for the best, dont think it will work thought |
| 14:35.18 | abrotman | pluesch0r: so you'd set up the bonding for each pair .. and then use something like heartbeat to monitor i'd imagine (not something i've done) |
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| 14:36.11 | shylent | What is the recommended implementation of an ipv6-capable dhcp server in stable? |
| 14:36.20 | pluesch0r | abrotman: no. |
| 14:36.31 | pluesch0r | i just want to encapsulate mode 4 in mode 1. basically. |
| 14:36.43 | pluesch0r | but if you've never done that, i'll rest my case. :) |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | pluesch0r: it sounds more like a 2x2 .. where one set is for failover |
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| 14:37.09 | jolaren | btw jelly the server distro and the gui distro is the same iso right? |
| 14:38.01 | pluesch0r | abrotman: 2x2 ports doing link aggregation. that's two resulting bonding devices. |
| 14:38.16 | pluesch0r | one spanning active/backup bonding device across the two devices that were generated earlier. that's what i want. |
| 14:38.30 | pluesch0r | or what i'd pursue if i'd know that it was possible. |
| 14:38.54 | everythingdaniel | I am in the same place as jolaren. I have DSL on a very minimal hardware setup. Server usage, no gui. And dsl is too limited |
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| 14:39.35 | jolaren | everythingdaniel; I had ubuntu server installed and it ran fine, problem was that I didn't have a screen while installing so I installed root to a 2.4gig parition |
| 14:39.53 | jolaren | everythingdaniel; I've mixed around so many hdds now so I don't know if perhaps I've caused this cd rom error myself |
| 14:40.16 | everythingdaniel | jorizma: ahh, its a cd issue, I just read upgrade to debian |
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| 14:40.41 | everythingdaniel | err, meant ^ jolaren |
| 14:40.42 | jolaren | everythingdaniel; I don't know what it is acctually |
| 14:40.44 | jolaren | It blows anyways |
| 14:40.47 | abrotman | pluesch0r: yes, that's what i said ... |
| 14:40.59 | ethanol | jolaren: you did a headless install, huh? |
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| 14:41.10 | jolaren | ethanol; Yer ^^ out of my memory |
| 14:41.19 | jolaren | I tried to move "/" later on, but didn't go well |
| 14:41.20 | everythingdaniel | jolaren: if you dont mind me asking, what kind of hardware did you get Ubuntu server on? |
| 14:41.23 | jolaren | So I thought, hey.. let's reinstall |
| 14:41.30 | jolaren | everythingdaniel; p3 800 mhz, 128 mb ram |
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| 14:41.31 | ethanol | why not grab a screen? :< |
| 14:41.34 | NoReflex | sorry got disconnected...are traceroute tcp much different from the packets sent by your browser when it displays a page? |
| 14:41.46 | jolaren | ethanol; I run my plasma as my screen at home.. only hdmi |
| 14:42.01 | jolaren | I ran it only as a mythbackend |
| 14:42.03 | jolaren | Worked great |
| 14:42.04 | everythingdaniel | jolaren: haha, well that is much faster than my DSL box. |
| 14:42.07 | RedTide | hi, I have a problem with adobe non free flash plugin in testing squeeze from some days (it plays a short sound in loop) video is ok |
| 14:42.12 | ethanol | ah what? |
| 14:42.26 | jolaren | ethanol; tv viewing |
| 14:42.35 | jolaren | ethanol; It recorded all my shows / i watched live tv from it |
| 14:43.06 | jolaren | I'm so f*c*ing annoyed that the root partition came on a 2.3 gig partition |
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| 14:45.32 | jolaren | I really don't know what to do now |
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| 14:46.16 | jolaren | If I had annother box I'd put the HDD into it and try to intall it from there |
| 14:46.17 | jolaren | or smth |
| 14:46.18 | TomyLobo | mount another partition into it |
| 14:46.30 | jolaren | TomyLobo; What do you mean? |
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| 14:46.46 | TomyLobo | to solve the space problems on your root partition |
| 14:47.04 | RedTide | any help for me? |
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| 14:48.31 | jolaren | TomyLobo; That's so simple I'm so angry I didn't think of that before starting wiht all this |
| 14:48.32 | jolaren | My god |
| 14:48.41 | TomyLobo | :) |
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| 14:50.57 | jolaren | I don't know what to do now |
| 14:51.01 | jolaren | When I can't manage to boot from the CD |
| 14:51.03 | jolaren | -_- |
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| 14:53.56 | petemc | NoReflex: they're both tcp.. |
| 14:54.11 | e-jones | ink |
| 14:54.16 | jelly | jolaren: right, there is no server or gui specific installer |
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| 14:57.41 | urthmover | what do I type in ti do a low memory installation? |
| 14:58.38 | exploid | Hey Guys, I have a dell r410 server and I installed debian 5.0.3. I made the install through an iDRAC card so the most logical / easy option for me was to do an install of CD1 without an internet connection, because I don't think I can mount more than one Virtual CD at once through iDRAC. Now I'm trying to get the files required on the server through the remote mount of an ISO but I can't find the location of the Virtual CD I should be mounting. Any clues |
| 14:59.32 | ethanol | you say you already installed debian, so what is the problem? |
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| 15:02.09 | exploid | I'm trying to get the broadcom network card working |
| 15:02.19 | exploid | I did the install with no internet connection |
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| 15:02.31 | exploid | because I should be able to remote mount a cd through iDRAC and copy the necessary files |
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| 15:03.26 | kevin7kal | exploid - the virtual disk might show as a usb device? |
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| 15:04.22 | exploid | ls /dev/usb* lists 24 devices, I was hoping to not play the guessing game and mount everything I thought it could be |
| 15:05.21 | kevin7kal | exploid: cat /var/log/syslog | grep usb ? |
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| 15:06.10 | kevin7kal | but - if it's a disk it should be in the physical disk range? /dev/sdb maybe ? |
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| 15:10.03 | det | Is there any way to quickly check if a file differs from the default of a package |
| 15:11.26 | kevin7kal | det: if it's a text file you can use diff - diff file1 file2 |
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| 15:17.46 | xsdg | exploid: apt-get install usbutils; lsusb |
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| 15:22.14 | exploid | xsdg: I don't have internet access, I'm trying to configure the network card |
| 15:22.35 | exploid | xsdg: I do have access to the server through the network but with iDRAC |
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| 15:26.47 | abrotman | exploid: lsusb .. look for the device ID |
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| 15:28.01 | rooisto47 | hi everybody |
| 15:28.59 | rooisto47 | which architecture can you advice me (when creating a debianLive image) i368 or i686 ? |
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| 15:30.38 | jolaren | omfg |
| 15:30.53 | jolaren | Nothing works |
| 15:30.58 | jolaren | I think I just screwed up my graphic car |
| 15:30.58 | jolaren | d |
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| 15:31.34 | streuner | just try VESA, it should work then |
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| 15:33.16 | streuner | or boot a LIVE-CD |
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| 15:33.53 | streuner | jolaren: Why do you think your graka is broken? |
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| 15:35.04 | esteeven | ebay.co.uk |
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| 15:35.38 | esteeven | oops. that's what happens when you don't look where your cursor is :) |
| 15:35.40 | streuner | heh |
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| 15:39.05 | jolaren | streuner; Been pluggin in and out things from two computers |
| 15:39.09 | jolaren | streuner; Now I can't get picutere |
| 15:39.39 | jolaren | It sounds like everything else boots fine.. |
| 15:39.42 | Iftmyhp | hi, i have 2 different types of ethernet interfaces in my system. the system has been running for 6 months or so, so nothing in dmesg about eth any more. can i find out to what hardware eth0 for example maps? |
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| 15:40.32 | streuner | udev should know about |
| 15:40.35 | rvsjoen | iftmyhp: /sys/class/net/eth0 |
| 15:40.57 | rvsjoen | should have a link to the pci device id |
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| 15:42.06 | rgr | Where would the best place be to plug this to run as root at startup? iwpriv eth2 set_power 5 |
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| 15:43.11 | Iftmyhp | rvsjoen: thx |
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| 15:44.14 | streuner | iftmy: ifconfig shows you the MAC |
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| 15:44.37 | Iftmyhp | yea but 2 types of intel cards. one seems to give extremely crappy iscsi performance |
| 15:45.09 | Iftmyhp | albeit... it's a difficult discussions. many tests show results we don't expect. the onboard nic of server does about 30MB/s over iscsi (ietd) against esx 3.5u4 |
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| 15:45.24 | Iftmyhp | however, esx 4 gets 110MB/s over it (filled gigabit link) |
| 15:45.46 | Iftmyhp | esx 3.5u4 does 90MB/s against the pci-x intel nic however... which is... odd to say the least :) |
| 15:46.05 | Iftmyhp | same machine, same kernel, same ietd version... only different nic / esx version talking against it |
| 15:47.14 | Iftmyhp | that's with ietd talking to a 8 disk sata hdd md raid10 btw.... for some reason making it talk to a 8 disk sata ssd raid10 drops performance by half as well, whilst ssd's are much faster (and this is easily proven locally on machine).... there are some serious weird bottlenecks in the setup, just can't find em |
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| 15:49.21 | lvh | Hello. I'd like to install Debian on my laptop, preferably testing out the shiny new ext4 features in Squeeze. Looking at D-I's internal Squeeze release goals (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SqueezeGoals), support is already there and testing is needed. Does that mean all I need is the Squeeze D-I nightlies instead of the backported http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ images? |
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| 15:49.52 | Arrowmaster | yes use the squeeze nightlies |
| 15:50.34 | rgr | Where would the best place be to plug this to run as root at startup? iwpriv eth2 set_power 5 |
| 15:50.38 | lvh | Cool, thanks |
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| 15:51.24 | Iftmyhp | rgr: not that familiar with debian, but most distro's have /etc/init.d/rc.local or /etc/init.d/local |
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| 15:52.30 | rgr | look like init.d |
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| 15:53.15 | streuner | !local |
| 15:53.16 | dpkg | i heard local is like, is your system local to you? Can you physically touch it from where you're sitting, or maybe by going to another room? As opposed, say, to being 1500km from you, accessible only via air and sea (combined) travel, and installed in a restricted-access facility? This matters if we, say, try to restart your system and it doesn't. |
| 15:53.31 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 15:53.32 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 15:53.48 | duckman | hi |
| 15:54.10 | duckman | i have a problem when i upgrade my kernel version |
| 15:54.15 | duckman | *sorry for my english* |
| 15:54.31 | streuner | duckman: sid? |
| 15:54.43 | duckman | streuner, lenny |
| 15:55.06 | duckman | in the grub always update with "hda" and my hd is "hdb" |
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| 15:55.24 | rgr | jesus thats complicated for such a simple need. |
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| 15:56.05 | duckman | in every kernel update i make, i have to manually change that |
| 15:56.09 | streuner | duckman: shouldnt be that hard to edit the conf file in grub |
| 15:56.09 | duckman | :/ |
| 15:56.23 | duckman | streuner, i know, but.. |
| 15:56.24 | streuner | oh |
| 15:56.34 | rgr | duckman: you might need to change devices.map. Its horrendously complicated with all sorts of naming glitches between grub and the real partitions and devices. |
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| 15:56.51 | duckman | my device.map seems to be ok |
| 15:56.54 | duckman | is strange |
| 15:57.12 | duckman | (hd0) /dev/hdb |
| 15:57.12 | duckman | (hd1) /dev/sda |
| 15:57.39 | duckman | except for that sda, i dont have 2 hd |
| 15:58.10 | duckman | rgr, streuner |
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| 15:59.39 | Iftmyhp | duckman: hmm would you mind just opening the case, removing the grey connector from the disk, put the black one in and possibly change jumper to master on instead (instead of slave)? :P |
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| 16:00.09 | duckman | Iftmyhp, :O |
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| 16:00.24 | Iftmyhp | hey it would make it hda :P |
| 16:00.34 | duckman | Iftmyhp, is sata |
| 16:00.36 | duckman | ;_; |
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| 16:01.04 | Iftmyhp | iek? in ata mode then? |
| 16:01.25 | duckman | Iftmyhp, im using a 486 kernel |
| 16:01.36 | duckman | Iftmyhp, i had problems to boot any other |
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| 16:01.49 | jolaren | gah |
| 16:01.50 | duckman | Iftmyhp, is a VIA epia, mini itx box |
| 16:01.57 | jolaren | Graphic card is so dead |
| 16:02.00 | jolaren | Dont know what to do now |
| 16:02.02 | jolaren | ;/ |
| 16:02.14 | rgr | duckman: just to make you feel beter it took me more than a day to get an eide drive plugged in via USB to configure grub properly do I could boot to it when it became the primary ide hda drive. Nightmare of conflicting howtos and grub/grub2 confusion and numbering. |
| 16:02.50 | duckman | rgr, mmm how can i check if my disk is in ata or sata mode? |
| 16:02.58 | Iftmyhp | that's ... odd. the only time i've seen sata disks with ide names is when sata controller is in ata mode (sometimes called ide mode). Afaik all AHCI running sata controllers show their disks as sdX |
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| 16:03.35 | duckman | Iftmyhp, may be if a change something in BIOS |
| 16:03.40 | duckman | :/ |
| 16:03.47 | Iftmyhp | then again, i haven't use a 486 kernel in say... 7 years or so hahaha |
| 16:04.03 | Iftmyhp | duckman: yea make sure the drivers are in there tho' and if you multiboot with windows expect it to bsod |
| 16:04.27 | duckman | Iftmyhp, it only have a linux on it |
| 16:04.40 | duckman | well, i will check that |
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| 16:05.07 | Iftmyhp | it might not solve your issue tho because instead of going from hdb->hda it goes from hdb->sda :) you'll need to edit /etc/fstab as well |
| 16:05.32 | Iftmyhp | unless you use uuid's in fstab oc |
| 16:05.51 | duckman | Iftmyhp, every time i update my kernel? |
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| 16:06.41 | Iftmyhp | duckman: no fstab is a one time thing, don't know the scripts reconfiguring grub tho', it might still not notice it's sda instead of hda but hey, it doesn't now either |
| 16:06.42 | duckman | Iftmyhp, my problem is in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:07.10 | jolaren | I can't get my graphic card to work on my server, is there any chance that the s-video port located on hte same graphic card might work but not the vga port? |
| 16:07.14 | jolaren | I'm out of ideas |
| 16:08.29 | Iftmyhp | duckman: isn't your problem in the thing generating that file on kernel update? |
| 16:08.53 | duckman | Iftmyhp, mmm may be a i say it in the wrong way hahah |
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| 16:09.08 | duckman | Iftmyhp, when i make an update via apt-get of my kernel |
| 16:09.14 | duckman | Iftmyhp, a new version or something |
| 16:09.15 | rgr | jolaren: almost certainly no chance. Most people cant even get their s-video working;) |
| 16:09.29 | duckman | Iftmyhp, in the next boot, my grub points to HDA insted of HDB |
| 16:09.41 | Iftmyhp | yea something regenerates the menu.lst for you |
| 16:09.56 | rgr | duckman: boot from rescue/sysrescue(live media and run grub-update |
| 16:10.10 | duckman | rgr, aha |
| 16:10.15 | rgr | grub or grub2? |
| 16:10.23 | rgr | there is no menu.lst for grub2 |
| 16:10.41 | duckman | rgr, grub! |
| 16:10.46 | duckman | rgr, is a debian lenny |
| 16:10.58 | duckman | rgr, i use it as a server |
| 16:11.12 | rgr | in the menu.lst there is some "automagic" areas clearly commented. change them. |
| 16:11.36 | rgr | then run update |
| 16:11.41 | rgr | i think! |
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| 16:12.06 | duckman | rgr, # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 16:12.09 | duckman | that line |
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| 16:14.11 | duckman | rgr, oh! now is using UIDS |
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| 16:14.25 | duckman | rgr, UUID* |
| 16:15.08 | duckman | rgr, i will try to reboot and wait for the magic |
| 16:15.33 | jolaren | rgr; Heh, doesn't glad me as much as you'd hoped ;) Garrr stupid ass computer |
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| 16:16.05 | greedo | i keep getting this message when trying to run lpr: libQt3Support.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:18.07 | greedo | how can i get these shared libraries working? |
| 16:18.09 | jelly | greedo: what does "which lpr" say? Which package owns that binary? What version is that package? |
| 16:18.53 | greedo | lpr: error while loading shared libraries: libQt3Support.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.26 | greedo | /usr/bin/lpr |
| 16:19.31 | rgr | jolaren: what do you see on your vga monitor? Anything at all? |
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| 16:20.34 | greedo | jelly: how could I find that out? |
| 16:20.36 | alturiak | heya. I recently upgraded squeeze to 2.6.32 - and since the reboot, atime information on my ext3-filesystems is only partially updated. some times of the day it is, other times it isn't. I couldn't find a pattern yet, but the behaviour is kind of weird. Any recent change which could cause something like this? google is giving me nothing. |
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| 16:21.26 | jelly | greedo: use dpkg |
| 16:21.33 | jelly | !tell greedo about dpkg -S |
| 16:21.36 | jelly | !tell greedo about version |
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| 16:24.07 | greedo | jelly: running 2.6.13, Package `/usr/bin/lpr' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 16:24.20 | greedo | dpkg -s /usr/bin/lpr |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/bin/lpr! |
| 16:25.21 | jelly | greedo: case is important. dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 16:26.17 | greedo | ah |
| 16:26.30 | rgr | alturiak: funny enough I just turned off atime to save power and speed things up on my laptop. |
| 16:26.40 | greedo | lpr: /usr/bin/lpr |
| 16:28.15 | alturiak | rgr: I have some scripts relying on proper atime on my server, so I'd really like them to be accurate. However, I suspect that you're not to blame for my problem. :-) |
| 16:28.37 | rgr | ssh ... wooo ... |
| 16:29.04 | jelly | greedo: good, now, pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 lpr |
| 16:29.58 | jelly | alturiak: ext3 uses "relatime" mount option by default since around 2.6.30. Use an explicit atime mount option. |
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| 16:30.19 | alturiak | jelly: a-ha, I missed that. thank you! |
| 16:30.28 | xsdg | alturiak: probably relatime |
| 16:30.30 | jelly | alturiak: this is an upstream kernel change. |
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| 16:30.38 | xsdg | jelly: gah; too fast :o) |
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| 16:33.47 | greedo | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d766a6e55 |
| 16:33.50 | buckfast | is it not possible to give specific download in rtorrent a specific path? |
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| 16:35.29 | jelly | greedo: so... "echo foo | lpr" gives an error like that for you? |
| 16:35.53 | alturiak | strictatime does the trick, just atime seems to be ignored. anyway, thanks again :-) |
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| 16:36.14 | jelly | greedo: I have forgotten most things about lpr. How come you're not using cups? |
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| 16:36.24 | greedo | i ran: lpr -P printer foo |
| 16:36.27 | ten10 | anyone know how to set the "delete key" or keycode 46 to send an intr (ctrl-c).. I can't find any easy way to do 2 keypresses using xmodmap... |
| 16:36.48 | greedo | jelly: I have cups installed and running |
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| 16:37.34 | jtheuer_ | hey, I have a (virtual) server wich can ping other hosts, you can ping it, it can recieve (some) bytes via "netcat" but you cannot send anything (at least via tcp) Any idea what it could be? |
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| 16:37.55 | jelly | greedo: why do you have lpr installed, then? |
| 16:38.07 | jtheuer_ | 5$ for the solution... ;-) |
| 16:38.34 | ten10 | jtheuer_ does the virtual host have a firewall enabled? |
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| 16:39.18 | jtheuer_ | ten10: no, at least no firewall that I know of - iptables --list shows ACCEPT for all chains |
| 16:39.22 | jtheuer_ | no rules defined |
| 16:39.54 | ten10 | jtheuer_ verified netmask is correct? is it bridged or vnet type connection? |
| 16:40.15 | jim26 | hello |
| 16:40.28 | greedo | jelly: for users that print in the stone ages |
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| 16:41.02 | ten10 | greedo: did you lpstat -T to see if everything is enabled and ready? |
| 16:41.03 | jim26 | I am trying to execute a shellcode in my debian for some university work, I have tried many different shellcodes but all of them throw a segment fault error |
| 16:41.04 | ten10 | i think it's -T |
| 16:41.08 | jtheuer_ | ten10: netmask is correct (255.255.255.0), like my other vhost |
| 16:41.13 | petemc | we just installed a brand new lpr print system |
| 16:41.29 | jtheuer_ | ten10, what means bridged of vnet, here? how can I determine it? |
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| 16:42.15 | ten10 | jtheuer_ not sure.. i run something other than debian.. how are you running a virtal host? via qemu-kvm or xen or what |
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| 16:42.55 | jtheuer_ | ten10 it is a vmware client |
| 16:44.00 | ten10 | what is the vmware client running on? windows or esx or something? |
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| 16:45.05 | ten10 | anyone know how to set the "delete key" or keycode 46 to send an intr (ctrl-c).. I can't find any easy way to do 2 keypresses using xmodmap... |
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| 16:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | Is there some sort of security application that would be attempting to acces the CD drive during nightly maintenance? |
| 16:46.21 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: did you install any security applications? |
| 16:46.38 | cahoot | updatedb? |
| 16:47.16 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Not that I know of. |
| 16:47.27 | petemc | then no.. |
| 16:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot: Would it attempt to update an unmounted CD? |
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| 16:47.51 | jtheuer_ | ten10 let me check I think it is an ESX, at least I'm sure te host ist not windows (they mostly use solaris, here) |
| 16:48.09 | jtheuer_ | I have web access over a "VMware VirtualCenter 2" |
| 16:48.12 | cahoot | that distinction wasn't clear - I guess not |
| 16:48.14 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: I think you have a different expectation and level of confidence in task packages. |
| 16:48.20 | jolaren | streuner; Well the graphiccard is probarbly smoked.. would it work if I plugged the ide hdd to my ion asrock 330 and did the installation there? |
| 16:49.02 | petemc | jhutchins_lt: if you have no confidence in them why would you install them? seems pretty stupid to me.. |
| 16:49.16 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: Thanks for playing. |
| 16:49.32 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: I didn't say "no", I said "different". |
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| 16:49.56 | jhutchins_lt | petemc: I'm still exploring Debian, I wasn't born with full knowledge of the packaging system and bundling philosophy. |
| 16:49.57 | project2501a | hey guys i interrupted dist-upgrade right when it was upgrading libc-bin. now, i got broken packages. any advice? |
| 16:49.57 | Ork | èèõõà à à à à |
| 16:50.01 | Ork | âñåì ïðèâåò Ãà ðîîä |
| 16:50.11 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: Re-run the upgrade. |
| 16:50.39 | project2501a | jhutchins_lt: i did. now programs are complaining about the missing ldconfig |
| 16:50.52 | project2501a | i removed libc-bin |
| 16:51.00 | jelly | !ru |
| 16:51.01 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:51.29 | jhutchins_lt | project2501a: I'm still learning debian, but I think a dpkg-reconfigure -a might help. |
| 16:51.42 | Ork | !ÿê |
| 16:51.49 | Ork | õìì ñòðà ÃÃî |
| 16:51.55 | Ork | ïî÷åìó òî ìîåãî ÿçûêà Ãåòó |
| 16:51.58 | Ork | !ja |
| 16:51.58 | dpkg | i guess ja is nice |
| 16:52.49 | jelly | Ork: please use English in here. |
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| 16:53.40 | krmlngrmln | anyone here know clonezilla? |
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| 16:55.00 | Ork | jelly All greetings with far siberya |
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| 16:56.42 | jhutchins_lt | krmlngrmln: Seen it, used it, can't claim to "know" it. The directions for the clonezilla server are incomplete/incorrect. |
| 16:57.04 | krmlngrmln | I used savedisc and saveparts to a usb hard drive - no errors |
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| 16:57.19 | krmlngrmln | when I go to restore either disc or parts - all sorts of errors |
| 16:57.21 | krmlngrmln | yeesh |
| 16:57.29 | DogBoy | krmlngrmln, I met him at a star trek convention |
| 16:57.30 | gnomon | Ahoy! I just installed the amd64 version of squeeze. It looks ok, everything's working fine, but kacpid is grabbing 72-95% CPU time in top. (it's a tiny little Atom machine, so there aren't that many cycles to go around) Is this normal? Am I jumping at shadows? |
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| 16:57.40 | macsim_ | hi, any openvpn on debian gourou ? |
| 16:57.51 | mastro | my debian system just stopped to work with capital letters. if i press shift or capslock it does not activate. any idea or what could cause this <question-mark-that-i-can't-do-because-i-don't-have-the-shift-key< |
| 16:58.06 | krmlngrmln | target_parts is NOT assigned in function task_restoreparts |
| 16:58.14 | cahoot | !tel macsim -about ask |
| 16:58.22 | macsim_ | ok ;) |
| 16:58.23 | cahoot | meh |
| 16:58.49 | mastro | inside a virtual machine with windows it does take the capital letters |
| 16:58.58 | mastro | never happen before |
| 16:59.31 | macsim_ | I have a openvpn install between 2 debian server with official debian .deb, vpn works just on 1 way, route are good, no vpn error, nobody seams to see what's happen on #openvpn |
| 16:59.50 | macsim_ | mastro, vmware ? |
| 16:59.54 | mastro | any hint before i reboot |
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| 17:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | Found it, hald-addon-stor bug. |
| 17:00.58 | mastro | macsim, my debian is native, with gnome. and i noticed it happen everywere inside gnome. but it does not happen in a vm-ware virtual machine with windows xp i'm running here. so it's not hardware, it's software |
| 17:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | krmlngrmln: Sounds like you might have hardware problems. |
| 17:01.41 | mastro | wow.. neither ctrl works |
| 17:01.48 | greedo | ten10: everything is up and running according to lpstat |
| 17:01.56 | macsim_ | mastro, I asked if that's happen after you launch a virtualmachine or if it's even if you don't launch virtal machine |
| 17:02.40 | mastro | macsim, the virtual machine was up and running for hours and i'm sure it worked fine until 1 hour ago |
| 17:02.52 | mastro | macsim, did nothing special |
| 17:03.12 | macsim_ | mastro, was it a vmware machine ? or a virtualbox one ? |
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| 17:03.30 | mastro | i'd like to change to the console -outside gnome- but ctrl is not working |
| 17:03.45 | mastro | macsim, forget the vmware. it has nothing to do with the issue <smile< |
| 17:04.00 | macsim_ | mastro, answer the question was it vmware ? |
| 17:04.07 | mastro | macsim, yes vmware |
| 17:04.17 | macsim_ | mastro, there is but between vmware and X11 |
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| 17:04.34 | mastro | what |
| 17:04.39 | mastro | macsim, what |
| 17:04.43 | macsim_ | mastro, give me a sec |
| 17:04.47 | mastro | macsim, sorry can't do question marks |
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| 17:05.30 | xsdg | mastro: ctrl+alt+f2? |
| 17:05.31 | mastro | macrobat, anywhy the vmware is not running anymore and the problem is still there. really vmware has nothing to do with the issue.. i just told about it to tell you that this isn't an hardware issue |
| 17:05.40 | mastro | xsdg, ctrl doesn't work as well |
| 17:05.56 | macsim_ | mastro, where are you from ? |
| 17:06.08 | mastro | macsim, italy, but why you asking |
| 17:06.19 | xsdg | mastro: ssh in and `chvt 2`? |
| 17:06.25 | xsdg | (chvt must be run as root) |
| 17:06.34 | mastro | xsdg, lemme try |
| 17:07.00 | mastro | ah... that sucks. |
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| 17:07.00 | macsim_ | mastro, because I'm french I use shift for make ? and I only found solution in french |
| 17:07.22 | mastro | xsdg, cant log in through ssh. lol. my password has capital letters in it |
| 17:07.58 | xsdg | mastro: yeah, I meant "ssh" as in "ssh from a machine with a working keyboard" |
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| 17:08.07 | mastro | macsim, xsdg if now i reboot and they keep not workin i'll not be able to log in anymore |
| 17:08.07 | xsdg | mastro: if you can run sudo without a password, sudo chvt 2 |
| 17:08.17 | mastro | xsdg, hum... |
| 17:08.58 | xsdg | mastro: if you can't login, just boot up with a rescue cd, mount your root partition, chroot and run `passwd` |
| 17:09.01 | mastro | xsdg, there are no other linux-ssh machine here |
| 17:09.17 | xsdg | mastro: I suspect that it's only a problem with X, though, and not with the machine itself |
| 17:09.29 | mastro | xsdg, i think so too.... |
| 17:09.31 | xsdg | mastro: so at the least, you should be ok booting into single-user mode |
| 17:09.49 | mastro | xsdg, yeah i know how to change password.. |
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| 17:11.40 | mastro | xsdg, managed to log in as root by using the character map to write the password... |
| 17:12.00 | mastro | xsdg, chvt 2 is like ctrl+alt+f2 right |
| 17:12.45 | xsdg | mastro: yup |
| 17:13.02 | xsdg | mastro: aah, yeah, typing-by-copy-and-paste is pretty useful |
| 17:13.18 | mastro | xsdg, macsim confirm. switched to console. no problem there with keyboard... so.. is there a way to fix-study this without rebooting, you know.. if you start happening again i don't want to reboot everytime... |
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| 17:16.30 | Zer | Say, has anyone here used lm-sensors' fancontrol? |
| 17:16.47 | Zer | If so, any idea what the point of its 'detailed correlation' is? It does not appear to write it to the fan control file. |
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| 17:18.11 | jhutchins_lt | hal-disable-polling --device /dev/hdb |
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| 17:23.31 | jez999 | Can anyone explain this?: http://pastebin.com/m67d42226 |
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| 17:23.44 | jez999 | ^ that's from a fresh terminal at startup |
| 17:23.46 | ravenbird | jez999: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:24.03 | jez999 | i can't ping anything, but if i use ifdown and ifup on eth1, it starts working |
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| 17:24.09 | jez999 | ifconfig seems identical before and after, however |
| 17:24.59 | mastro | really Interesting xsdg :) log out and log in again and I CAN do shift and CTRL again |
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| 17:26.50 | jez999 | what would make Debian fail to route through the interface before ifdown/up, and succeed after? |
| 17:27.02 | unixSnob | did anyone else lose the euro symbol in a recent update? |
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| 17:28.46 | jez999 | € nope |
| 17:28.51 | jelly | € .... neither :-D |
| 17:28.54 | jez999 | but it only works with altgr, not ctrl-alt |
| 17:29.09 | jelly | lies and hasn't upgraded things recently |
| 17:29.29 | jelly | :€ <=- cthulu! |
| 17:29.37 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Received and displayed here. |
| 17:29.50 | jhutchins_lt | jez999: Yours, however, is a blank box. |
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| 17:30.04 | jez999 | eh> |
| 17:30.05 | jez999 | ? |
| 17:30.14 | jhutchins_lt | wonders what the dead/compose key here is. |
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| 17:30.21 | jelly | yours shows properly here jez999 |
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| 17:30.53 | jhutchins_lt | I may not have one on this laptop. |
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| 17:32.49 | ewet | hi, is it possible to configure hostapd to just use one single mode (g in my case)? I thought I had done that with "hw_mode=g" but my samsung galaxy still drops out of wifi all the time and normally it drops out because the router is in mixed mode (crappy implementation..) |
| 17:33.52 | unixSnob | what a pain in the ass. Complete how-tos are written to simply add the euro symbol.. and most of them cause you to lose the $ symbol |
| 17:34.43 | cahoot | €$ |
| 17:34.54 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot: Got those. |
| 17:35.16 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting that jez999's does not. |
| 17:35.25 | unixSnob | yeah, i had it working for both at one point.. now I can't find the right how-to |
| 17:35.58 | jez999 | i'm using the UK extended keyboard layout |
| 17:36.10 | Spr3ng | € |
| 17:36.17 | unixSnob | this is where MS does something better than gnu |
| 17:36.18 | Spr3ng | works :P |
| 17:36.47 | unixSnob | Windows enables users to enter any symbol, just by holding down alt, and the 3 digits corresponding to the ascii code |
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| 17:37.14 | cahoot | win supports unicode? |
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| 17:38.23 | unixSnob | cahoot: i'm not sure what kind of code it is.. I just recall being able to enter anything just by hitting alt-<3 digits> |
| 17:38.58 | unixSnob | linux forces us to have a special mapping, and particular font set in place |
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| 17:39.05 | Zer | Um |
| 17:39.11 | Zer | All NT based OSes are native Unicode |
| 17:39.12 | unixSnob | or i should say gnome |
| 17:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, don't see what's so difficult about having a compose key |
| 17:39.18 | Zer | so yes, Windows supports Unicode |
| 17:39.21 | Zer | Far better than any *nix |
| 17:39.24 | Da_Wrecka | GNOME is really starting to get on my tits. What part of "Always perform this action" is confusing? Every single time I put an SD card into the reader, it nags me about "Photo card found", I click "Always perform this action" followed by "Ignore", and then next time it does the same goddamn thing. |
| 17:39.50 | unixSnob | i just realized my problem - I forgot what key it was.... it's the Win meta key, and 5 |
| 17:39.53 | unixSnob | € |
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| 17:40.10 | Zer | Time to reboot |
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| 17:40.19 | unixSnob | but anyway, i had to go through 3 or 4 different steps to get just that one symbol working |
| 17:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find it more confusing that it's compose-C-= |
| 17:40.32 | unixSnob | whereas windows is just alt-<any code> |
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| 17:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, no, you can also do ° or ¢ or ä |
| 17:41.09 | cahoot | as in däbian |
| 17:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | däbeian bitte |
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| 17:41.53 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: how? meta-5 gives me a €, but the meta key doesn't give anything else interesting, it seems |
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| 17:42.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | not meta, compose! |
| 17:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !compose key |
| 17:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg?! |
| 17:42.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dam his rivers |
| 17:42.48 | Claviceps | Eminem - Lose Yourself MUSIC VIDEO |
| 17:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !compose |
| 17:42.54 | dpkg | To enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñAsk me about <compose sequences> for a how to find out what key combinations you can use. Similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command, or http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
| 17:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, compose key is <reply> see compose |
| 17:43.05 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: okay |
| 17:43.07 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: i just added a compose key |
| 17:43.10 | Claviceps | Eminem - Lose Yourself MUSIC VIDEO |
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| 17:43.33 | Da_Wrecka | 601 BogoMIPS? Huh, I'm surprised this CPU scores that high |
| 17:43.35 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: but how do I use it? I made the "menu" key the compose key |
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| 17:43.40 | Da_Wrecka | I was expecting about 300 |
| 17:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | "compose-C-=" for euro? |
| 17:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's lists of key combinations |
| 17:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: So you're telling Gnome to ignore your command, and it doesn't listen? |
| 17:44.14 | Da_Wrecka | jhutchins: Pretty muc |
| 17:44.18 | Da_Wrecka | *much |
| 17:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | µ = compose / u is kind of useful |
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| 17:44.34 | Da_Wrecka | Wait, no |
| 17:44.43 | Da_Wrecka | I'm telling it to ignore the SD card |
| 17:44.48 | Da_Wrecka | Slow brain day |
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| 17:44.49 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: also "compose m u" which is even easier... |
| 17:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, that doesn't work for me |
| 17:45.08 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: bad luck! |
| 17:45.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that WOULD be what I had memorized much easier |
| 17:45.19 | unixSnob | compose is not working for me. |
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| 17:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | my compose setup seems to differ for some reason from that of other people... compose-^0 is ° for me, while it's not for them |
| 17:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 17:45.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 17:46.08 | GulfLicensingSvc | Hello, my name is William Mellon, manager of Gulf Oil Limited Partnership, Inc.'s intellectual property dilution prevention department. |
| 17:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Well, maybe you're telling it to ignore what you told it. I don't know gnome. |
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| 17:46.55 | GulfLicensingSvc | We have been trying to contact Ubuntu about its unlicensed use of our principal consumer brand in North America. |
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| 17:47.05 | unixSnob | compose-c-= gives no symbol at all |
| 17:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | C, not c |
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| 17:47.12 | themill | GulfLicensingSvc: this isn't #ubuntu. Go away. |
| 17:47.29 | unixSnob | same |
| 17:47.36 | Da_Wrecka | jhutchins: The idea is that you tell it to ignore the fact that there's a photo memory card been inserted |
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| 17:47.50 | unixSnob | ah, no it works |
| 17:47.59 | GulfLicensingSvc | themill: Please if you could assist me with this matter, my fax number is (312) 620-3129 |
| 17:48.17 | unixSnob | i have to let go of the compose... so for me, it's really: compose-C = |
| 17:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, check with xkeycapps |
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| 17:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I said! |
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| 17:48.35 | Da_Wrecka | Which it will then do, as opposed to... I dunno, doing something totally useless about the pictures on the card |
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| 17:48.58 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: you said: "compose-C-=" |
| 17:49.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes! |
| 17:49.05 | Zer | Say, is there any way to get around the whole root account thing with scp? |
| 17:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you let go of the C, too! |
| 17:49.20 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: the second dash means you're still holding compose down |
| 17:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | phooey |
| 17:49.31 | unixSnob | it's really compose-C = |
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| 17:50.37 | rgr | Zer: sure there is. ssh key. But you need to be root to make them and enable it. Bad idea .... |
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| 17:51.55 | Zer | Well |
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| 17:52.06 | Zer | If I'm going to have a SSH key to the root account I might as well just enable it :P |
| 17:53.01 | unixSnob | £ nice.. i've needed the £ symbol.. CutMeOwnThroat has just given me some more expressive power.. booya |
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| 17:53.58 | guaqua | has someone else experienced problems with testing's new xorg and xmodmap? |
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| 17:54.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, ē |
| 17:54.26 | guaqua | my control <-> caps_lock swap and extra shift have both stopped working |
| 17:54.49 | unixSnob | it's kind of bett€r than the windows method, in a way, because the combinations are more intuitive than numbers |
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| 17:55.52 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Just speculating here - if you re-insert the same card without changing any files on it, does it ignore it? |
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| 17:56.09 | Armageddon | how do I add the testing GPG keyring ? |
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| 17:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | Armageddon: Don't the instructions you're following include that along with the repo names? |
| 17:57.34 | Carneque | hey all, does this package libdate-pcalc-perl (6.1-1) contain pcalc, or is that another package? |
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| 17:57.58 | Da_Wrecka | jhutchins: Nope! It throws up the exact same box asking me if I want to "add these pictures to your album". |
| 17:58.03 | stanley_1 | Hi guys. Can somebody answer on really small question about iptables please? |
| 17:58.11 | Zer | rgr: Come to think of it, if one used a passphrase with the SSH key it might not be too bad |
| 17:58.16 | nooper | how small? |
| 17:58.38 | Armageddon | jhutchins_lt, I upgraded to testing, but now when I do aptitude update or apt-get update I get this error "W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org testing-proposed-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" |
| 17:58.45 | stanley_1 | iptables -A INPUT -i ${PPP_IFACE} -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags FIN,SYN,ACK SYN -j LOG --log-level 7 --log-tcp-options |
| 17:58.58 | stanley_1 | Can anyone explane that in easy words? |
| 17:59.27 | stanley_1 | Is that only for logging or do something else? |
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| 18:00.01 | nooper | appends this rule to the input chain: tcp packets with syn flag set, fin flag not set and ack flag not set are logged |
| 18:00.30 | themill | Armageddon: you probably don't really want t-p-u anyway |
| 18:00.34 | Da_Wrecka | Oh god dammit, I've followed all the directions and Debian is still using the - blacklisted! - kernel driver for the WNIC |
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| 18:00.53 | ewet | so hostapd will only use one mode (default is g) by default and never mixe modes? |
| 18:00.57 | stanley_1 | Ok. iptable is flooding in syslog and I really want to disable logging option for it. |
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| 18:01.15 | Armageddon | themill, meaning ? |
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| 18:02.09 | themill | Armageddon: meaning you should think more carefully about what's in your sources.list and why you've got it there |
| 18:02.17 | nooper | you can remove that rule, or modify syslog.conf to not log those messages |
| 18:02.39 | Armageddon | themill, I have 4 entries in the source list |
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| 18:03.32 | salvin | is it possible modify the number of inodes in an ext4 partition with tune2fs? |
| 18:04.07 | stanley_1 | Thanks nooper! You have find a cure for my head ache. ^-) Have a nice evening. |
| 18:04.12 | Armageddon | themill, http://pastebin.com/m40e0b099 |
| 18:04.59 | themill | Armageddon: I didn't ask to see them, I suggested that you think about what those entries are and decide if you want them or not. You might want to find out what "testing-proposed-updates" actually means |
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| 18:06.06 | amitz | how to unbind a "mount -o bind". the umounts says "device is busy". |
| 18:06.28 | mederEsite | what do i need to do to install java in order to compile a git package that requires it? |
| 18:06.34 | mederEsite | i installed java-package but that isn't necessarily it |
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| 18:06.43 | themill | dpkg: tell mederEsite about install java |
| 18:06.50 | mederEsite | BTW |
| 18:06.53 | mederEsite | im on a non-GUI OS |
| 18:06.55 | mederEsite | if that matters |
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| 18:07.13 | themill | mederEsite: you probably want to install openjdk-6-jdk |
| 18:07.32 | amitz | or can I safely rm -rf /dev of a debootstrap mounted by mount -o bind /dev /mydebootstrapinstall/dev |
| 18:07.35 | mederEsite | jeez 32mb |
| 18:07.39 | mederEsite | ok though |
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| 18:09.45 | Ergo^ | hmm... http://paste2.org/p/645813 - where can i start looking for the cause of this problem ? |
| 18:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | mederEsite: The package you're trying to install should be specific about what it needs. |
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| 18:10.55 | mederEsite | "Make sure that you have Java installed (if you want to build a minified version of jQuery). If not, go to this page and download "Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0"" |
| 18:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | Ergo^: 1) Use aptitude, 2) clean the cache and re-try. |
| 18:11.34 | mederEsite | jeez |
| 18:11.36 | mederEsite | java installs a lot of crap |
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| 18:11.42 | mederEsite | i need to delete it after i compile |
| 18:11.48 | jhutchins_lt | mederEsite: This is why some people do not like it. |
| 18:12.06 | jhutchins_lt | mederEsite: Compiling often involves installing "a lot of crap" though. |
| 18:12.10 | themill | Ergo^: you're trying to downgrade from mysql 5.1 to 5.0. This can't end well. |
| 18:12.26 | Zer | Wow, _nice_. And I don't even have to enter the key every single time. |
| 18:13.10 | Ergo^ | themill, first , im not downgrading anything ;-) thats default update procedure, i have 5.0.x there |
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| 18:13.39 | Ergo^ | jhutchins, so aptitude should be default tool for apt on debian now ? |
| 18:14.04 | themill | Ergo^: do you have databases that were created using mysql 5.1 in there? or config files from this? The install scripts are detecting a 5.1 installation there (see line 15 of your paste) |
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| 18:14.38 | Ergo^ | hmm.... |
| 18:14.54 | Ergo^ | i had ubuntu on this server before i went debian .. |
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| 18:15.34 | themill | , versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 18:15.34 | judd | mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.41-3~bpo50+1 squeeze: 5.1.41-3 sid: 5.1.41-4 |
| 18:16.05 | themill | Ergo^: are you meaning that you just changed your sources.list and then tried "upgrade" or something? |
| 18:16.20 | Ergo^ | themill, no, not at all |
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| 18:17.03 | Carneque | anyone know about pcalc? |
| 18:17.04 | Ergo^ | mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2 |
| 18:17.09 | mederEsite | hm |
| 18:17.12 | mederEsite | "make: *** [init] Error 1" |
| 18:17.12 | Ergo^ | scratches his head |
| 18:17.30 | mederEsite | ah |
| 18:17.36 | mederEsite | i had a 'dist' directory already |
| 18:17.54 | LTL2h | hi |
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| 18:19.34 | themill | Ergo^: did you copy /var/lib/mysql across when you rebuild the box? |
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| 18:20.22 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Is it possible he has an old copy of it in his cache? |
| 18:20.30 | themill | "it"? |
| 18:20.41 | jhutchins_lt | mysql presumably. |
| 18:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | an older deb package from something. |
| 18:21.09 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions myslql-server |
| 18:21.10 | judd | myslql-server -- |
| 18:21.10 | themill | The check is in the preinst script and look for files in /var/lib/myaql |
| 18:21.22 | abrotman | Ergo^: you used dotdeb didn't you ? |
| 18:21.41 | Ergo^ | abrotman, whats a dotdeb ? |
| 18:21.58 | themill | Ergo^: did you copy /var/lib/mysql from ubuntu to debian when you rebuild the box? |
| 18:22.13 | abrotman | Ergo^: pastebin the output of: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*mysql*" |
| 18:22.23 | Ergo^ | the_mill i dont remember, but that is possible |
| 18:22.39 | Ergo^ | i had ubuntu crash on me |
| 18:22.47 | Ergo^ | and rescued data via some recovery services |
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| 18:23.34 | Ergo^ | http://paste2.org/p/645826 |
| 18:23.54 | themill | Ergo^: you're either going to need to dump the db and restore it or try installing mysql-server-5.1 from backports.org to get it happy. |
| 18:24.01 | Ergo^ | i mean mysql IS working now, just upgrade script doesnt want to execute |
| 18:24.13 | Ergo^ | themill, well i could do a dumpall i guess |
| 18:24.13 | themill | Ergo^: (or 3rd option, if you don't have any databases there, then delete /var/lib/mysql/*) |
| 18:25.06 | themill | if you were actually using mysql 5.1 features, then that's going to end badly -- use bpo instead. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:25.48 | Ergo^ | themill, it will work fine ;-) i have seen at least 3 production level migrations between 5.x versions |
| 18:25.53 | Ergo^ | ill just make a dump of data |
| 18:25.57 | Ergo^ | and reinsert i guess |
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| 18:26.06 | themill | Ergo^: from 5.0 to 5.1 should work fine. The other way is doom. |
| 18:26.19 | Ergo^ | but dumpall will dump all the info thats there too i suppose |
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| 18:26.52 | UrsoBranco | hi, does anyone knows how I pass a default option to apt-get when installing a package? I want to test the installation and removal of some packages automatically |
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| 18:27.18 | themill | UrsoBranco: sounds like you want piuparts |
| 18:27.34 | Ergo^ | so whats the course of action ? dump the db's, uninstall mysql package, delete /var/lib/mysql , install the package again, dump in mysql ? |
| 18:27.57 | themill | Ergo^: I'd be tempted just to use mysql-server-5.1 from backports.org |
| 18:28.28 | Ergo^ | well it IS better, but ill migrate everything to pg anyways, so its not a big deal for me really |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | wtf is "un mysql-community-server-5.0 " ? |
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| 18:29.19 | UrsoBranco | , piuparts |
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| 18:29.51 | themill | UrsoBranco: http://wiki.debian.org/piuparts |
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| 18:30.02 | UrsoBranco | themill: thanks |
| 18:30.05 | abrotman | where did that package come from .. not debian |
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| 18:30.40 | MariachiAC | Hello. when installing debian and upgrading to debian testing everything works fine. However when typing upgrade-from-grub-legacy my system does not boot. Any fixes for this? |
| 18:30.44 | Ergo^ | abrotman, no idea, packages.ubuntu.com doesnt have that either |
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| 18:31.28 | tradecomp | Hey, anyone there? |
| 18:31.29 | Ergo^ | everything is installed from normal repos |
| 18:31.46 | tradecomp | Could someone help me? |
| 18:32.51 | Ergo^ | abrotman, just checked http://paste2.org/p/645838 - thats my sources list, looks perfectly normal |
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| 18:33.59 | themill | abrotman, Ergo^: that's the .deb that mysql.com distributes, isn't it? |
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| 18:35.01 | abrotman | themill: if i wanted to use mysql .. i might know :) |
| 18:35.15 | Ergo^ | themill, well sure as hell i never installed any deb not from repos of debian or ubuntu - besides hdd was completly formatted before lenny got installed :] |
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| 18:37.25 | abrotman | themill: if it is .. i cannot find it |
| 18:37.26 | themill | abrotman, Ergo^: apt-cache showpkg mysql-community-server-5.0 |
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| 18:38.04 | Ergo^ | http://paste2.org/p/645843 |
| 18:38.05 | MariachiAC | brb |
| 18:38.22 | themill | Ergo^: no no... I know what it says. I want you to look at the output. |
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| 18:39.11 | Ergo^ | if i understand right thats a metapackage that provides same package i have now, right ? |
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| 18:40.01 | themill | Ergo^: close, it's a virtual package. mysql-server-5.0 pretends to dpkg that the community-server things is also installed when you install this one. |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | but we still don't know where it came from ? |
| 18:40.34 | Ergo^ | right, but is that related to the problem i face with update ? |
| 18:40.39 | abrotman | how about .. policy ? |
| 18:40.47 | themill | abrotman: virtual package... doesn't exist in policy |
| 18:41.11 | tradecomp | cd debian-boot |
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| 18:42.01 | abrotman | themill: so where's the real one ? |
| 18:42.13 | therealgalen | I'm running the latest debian-testing; how can I enable root login from the GUI login screen? |
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| 18:42.41 | themill | abrotman: look at the Provides line for mysql-server-5.0 in /var/lib/dpkg/status. There isn't necessarily a real one (think mail-transport-agent). There might be and this is just designed to ensure that both can't be installed at the same time |
| 18:42.49 | abrotman | therealgalen: which GUI login thingie ? |
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| 18:42.59 | therealgalen | abrotman: the default GUI login screen |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | themill: i have lenny machine .. i don't have a "community" edition |
| 18:43.12 | abrotman | therealgalen: GDM? try gdmsetup i think |
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| 18:43.34 | themill | abrotman: dpkg won't know about it until you install the mysql-server-5.0 package. |
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| 18:44.15 | abrotman | themill: let me see if i have one with mysql |
| 18:44.26 | therealgalen | abrotman: got it.... i see what i was missing, the minimal UID |
| 18:44.32 | abrotman | themill: i do .. still don't konw about that package |
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| 18:44.42 | abrotman | oh wait .. wrong mysql packages .. ignore me |
| 18:45.17 | abrotman | themill: still not sure that's a debian package .. but oh well |
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| 18:46.02 | Carneque | http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/apps/math/calc/ found pcalc |
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| 18:47.12 | Ergo^ | the mill, so i should dump out user db's except the system one, stop mysql, remove /var/lib/mysql |
| 18:47.18 | Ergo^ | install again and dump in the db's |
| 18:47.19 | Ergo^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.40 | jez999 | is System | Administration | Add/Remove Applications some kind of 'baby' package manager? |
| 18:47.46 | jez999 | it seems to have overlap with Synaptic |
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| 18:51.18 | NeoLobster | Is there any way to fool apt-get into thinking a package is fully installed when it's breaking during configuration? |
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| 18:52.30 | dondelelcaro | NeoLobster: fix the problem. |
| 18:52.39 | dondelelcaro | !bat |
| 18:52.40 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 18:52.44 | NeoLobster | dondelelcaro: It's a warning from insserv |
| 18:52.45 | LordDoskias | hi people |
| 18:52.49 | NeoLobster | I don't care about the problem. |
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| 18:52.55 | NeoLobster | I just want the message to go away |
| 18:52.58 | dondelelcaro | NeoLobster: doesn't matter; that's how you fix it. |
| 18:53.01 | maryha4ever | Hello ;] |
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| 18:53.03 | LordDoskias | is scgi supported on lighttpd version that is in the debian stable repo |
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| 18:54.24 | Spr3ng | i'think so |
| 18:54.43 | dondelelcaro | LordDoskias: it should be; it was added in 1.3.4, and stable has 1.4.19 |
| 18:55.39 | LordDoskias | yeah. but there is no confi file in conf-available |
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| 18:55.48 | LordDoskias | and when i created a conf file it complained |
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| 19:00.15 | dondelelcaro | LordDoskias: did you load the module? |
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| 19:00.42 | dondelelcaro | (since we're definetly distributing mod_scgi...) |
| 19:00.45 | NeoLobster | dondelelcaro: you could have told me to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status rather than assuming I had no idea what I was talking about. Thanks for nothing. |
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| 19:00.52 | LordDoskias | dondelelcaro: it gives error when i load it |
| 19:00.56 | dondelelcaro | LordDoskias: what error? |
| 19:00.59 | Ergo^ | abrotman, i removed mysql, dumped out all dbs, removed all its /lib/mysql files, reinstalled and redumped all db's in, all problems are gone, it should stay this way i hope |
| 19:01.07 | LordDoskias | and i had to make a custom conf file for this module, since it is not included in the default redistributed |
| 19:01.09 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:01.17 | dondelelcaro | waits for NeoLobster to realize why he didn't tell him to edit status |
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| 19:04.05 | LordDoskias | oh |
| 19:04.07 | LordDoskias | i'm stupid |
| 19:04.09 | LordDoskias | ;-( |
| 19:04.15 | LordDoskias | problem with symlinks |
| 19:04.42 | Zer | Does anyone know: I'm using rdiff on two 32GB disk images. How long should this take on a modern PC? |
| 19:04.50 | LordDoskias | still, i think a defualt conf for mod_scgi to be included is a good idea |
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| 19:05.33 | dondelelcaro | LordDoskias: could be; file a wishlist bug with a patch to add it |
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| 19:06.03 | dondelelcaro | LordDoskias: generally speaking, if the maintainer doesn't use a module, and upstream doesn't distribute a configuration file, there won't be a configuration made |
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| 19:06.13 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it won't be a very complete one) |
| 19:06.35 | LordDoskias | i'm gonna test |
| 19:06.42 | LordDoskias | whether my conf is working now and will post it |
| 19:06.47 | LordDoskias | will be back to get instruction -) |
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| 19:11.07 | mcgregor | hi |
| 19:12.03 | mcgregor | is there a netinstall iso for installing sid instead of squeeze? |
| 19:14.10 | dbuduru | I am using an aircard on my debian machine to connect to the net. I was set up a proxy server on my linux box and have other devices connect to the net using the linux box. I have a wireless router that I want to use to connect all my devices and I was wondering how this can be achieved. |
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| 19:14.50 | dbuduru | in essence, my linux box has two network interfaces - PPP (for the aircard) and wlan0 |
| 19:15.40 | dbuduru | I want to route the net traffic from the devices on my wireless network through the debian machine using my aircard |
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| 19:21.31 | ch_ | hi, does there exists an Debian installer which boots with a single CD and uses installer CD/DVD-images on a hard drive (so whithout using the internet connection) |
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| 19:22.01 | ch_ | and whitout booting from the hard drive |
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| 19:22.18 | ch_ | without* |
| 19:24.07 | dbuduru | ch_, You can buy the debian installation CDs |
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| 19:24.27 | dbuduru | check out debian.org and it has information on where u can buy those CDs |
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| 19:25.04 | eidolon | hi folks - i'm having a problem using update-java-altenatives. i use update-java-alternatives -s java-6-openjdk - and /usr/lib/jvm/default-java still points to java-gcj |
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| 19:26.17 | ch_ | dbuduru: I should have mentioned that I could download and burn the images on another computer and get them at the location where the other computer is on which I would install debian |
| 19:26.47 | ch_ | so I would download the images first |
| 19:26.54 | ch_ | burn one CD image |
| 19:27.12 | ch_ | for booting the installer |
| 19:27.29 | ch_ | and put the other images on the USB hard disk |
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| 19:34.29 | ch_ | does anyone have an idea? |
| 19:35.10 | ch_ | so the debian installer should use the images on the hard drive instead of the physical CD's/DVD's |
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| 19:37.47 | abrotman | !hd-media |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | To install Debian without any removable media, ask me about <install guide> and read "Appendix A. Installation Howto", specifically "A.2.4. Booting from hard disk". To download hd-media/* files and Debian CD images, ask me about <install debian>. See also <netboot>, <debian.exe>, <debootstrap>. |
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| 19:40.52 | Kuifje | hello all. |
| 19:41.12 | mcgregor | hi |
| 19:41.24 | Kuifje | I am trying to re-install GRUB, because it 'disappeared' after I installed win 7 |
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| 19:41.55 | cast | windows will do that |
| 19:41.59 | Kuifje | I used the netinstall to get a shell, but chroot doesnt work whic ruins it all. |
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| 19:42.12 | Kuifje | which* |
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| 19:42.22 | mcgregor | hmm get a live-cd , chroot to your debian root partition, then do grub-install - and it should be reinstalled again |
| 19:42.35 | cast | dont need to chroot |
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| 19:42.59 | Kuifje | I only have the netinstall disk here and preferably dont want to burn another disk. |
| 19:43.03 | mcgregor | well, *I* did it like that ;) and it worked :) |
| 19:43.40 | Kuifje | but chroot doesnt work with the ash shell. |
| 19:44.04 | Kuifje | I execute "chroot /mnt/root /bin/ash" or /bin/bash for that matter |
| 19:44.14 | Kuifje | but it gives me /bin/ash file not found |
| 19:44.22 | abrotman | Kuifje: /bin/sh ? |
| 19:44.30 | Kuifje | does not work either. |
| 19:45.27 | mcgregor | ok, you are sure that /mnt/root is actually your root debian partition? .. just in case... |
| 19:45.31 | Kuifje | I also tried to skip all other things with the netinstall and just do a GRUB install with it, but it didnt allow that |
| 19:46.00 | Kuifje | ../dev/sda2 is mounted to /mnt/root, so yes. |
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| 19:47.05 | mcgregor | ls /mnt/root/bin/*sh* finds no sh/bash? |
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| 19:48.03 | Kuifje | ./mnt/root/bin/sh exists. |
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| 19:48.34 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: 3995 |
| 19:48.34 | dpkg | The_Eccentric: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 19:48.41 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: wireless |
| 19:48.42 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:48.57 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: iwlwifi 4995 |
| 19:48.57 | dpkg | The_Eccentric: i haven't a clue |
| 19:49.00 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: iwlwifi |
| 19:49.01 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:50.11 | Kuifje | ah.. |
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| 19:50.40 | Kuifje | I must have an ubuntu live install cd laying somewhere around here. I think I could use that to reinstall GRUB. |
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| 19:52.18 | jez9999 | There is a slight bug in the Gnome date/time applet |
| 19:52.27 | jez9999 | you add some locations to the dropdown |
| 19:52.33 | jez9999 | if you hover over them, a 'set' button appears |
| 19:52.37 | mcgregor | well, i'm niot sre if that will change anything. you shozuld be able to chroot from the netinstall as wel |
| 19:52.37 | Kuifje | I just want to access my data on a EXT3 external HDD |
| 19:52.49 | jez9999 | if the place name is too wide, it increases the width of the applet, and it goes off the right of the screen |
| 19:53.19 | s-c | don't care |
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| 19:53.45 | Kuifje | mcgregor: what is it I am doing wrong then? |
| 19:53.55 | Ergo^ | themill, i fixed my problem :] |
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| 19:54.23 | mcgregor | what does it tell you if you simply tell it to do - > chroot /mnt/root ? |
| 19:54.39 | Kuifje | does not work either. |
| 19:54.50 | mcgregor | what error msg? |
| 19:54.55 | Kuifje | I dont know what it exactly tells me then, because I would have to get back then, but it didnt work. |
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| 19:55.48 | mcgregor | well, then you might better start that live-cd so you can see what it tells you |
| 19:55.49 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: non-free sources |
| 19:55.50 | dpkg | non-free sources is, like, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 19:56.33 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: firmware |
| 19:56.34 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:56.56 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: firmware iwlwifi |
| 19:56.57 | dpkg | The_Eccentric: i don't know |
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| 19:57.37 | Kuifje | found the disk. thanks for the help, mcgregor. |
| 19:58.10 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: iwlwifi firmware |
| 19:58.11 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:02.06 | themill | The_Eccentric: feel free to "/msg dpkg foo" |
| 20:02.08 | Kuifje | is it possible to change the inode size without recreating the partition? |
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| 20:02.17 | themill | Ergo^: yay |
| 20:02.31 | SerajewelKS | Kuifje: no, since this would require reorganizing all the data on the disk |
| 20:02.52 | Ergo^ | themill, i dumped db's , deleted lib/mysql , and reinstalled mysql, then dumped data in, and so far this seems to work |
| 20:03.05 | Kuifje | ughhhhhh. I have an external HDD with an inode size of 256 which the win driver doesnt support. |
| 20:03.07 | Kuifje | ok |
| 20:03.08 | sepult | SerajewelKS: isn't there any safe way to reorganize all the data on the disk, or what is the main problem with that ? |
| 20:03.27 | Kuifje | and I dont have a place to stash all |
| 20:03.31 | Kuifje | 1TB of data* |
| 20:03.48 | sepult | SerajewelKS: since other OSes suport it i mean, there must be a way!.... |
| 20:04.15 | SerajewelKS | sepult: i don't know of another OS that allows inode/block resizing |
| 20:04.45 | ch_ | does anyone know how and when the debian installer asks to insert other dvd-media? |
| 20:04.51 | sepult | SerajewelKS: oh sorry i confused that with framentation.... |
| 20:04.58 | SerajewelKS | Kuifje: how much of the volume is used, and how much is free? |
| 20:05.08 | Kuifje | like 20GB is free. |
| 20:05.12 | Kuifje | and 900GB is used |
| 20:05.22 | SerajewelKS | heh ok |
| 20:05.39 | Kuifje | I am gone. |
| 20:05.44 | SerajewelKS | you got about 128 dvd-r-dl handy? :P |
| 20:06.29 | SerajewelKS | this is why i format big external HDs with ntfs. ntfs-3g on linux is stable enough to support it and no windows issues. |
| 20:06.44 | s-c | Hostname: true - OS: Linux 2.6.32.2-grsec/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) (2833.398 MHz) - Processes: 11 - Uptime: 33d 20h 37m - Load Average: 0.15 - Memory Usage: 668.00MB/8002.90MB (8.35%) - Disk Usage: 2188.96GB/3423.62GB (63.94%) |
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| 20:07.23 | SerajewelKS | it's a shame when ntfs is the most stable OS for external media :( |
| 20:07.27 | SerajewelKS | stable FS* |
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| 20:09.57 | SerajewelKS | FAT32 is my second choice when i know i'm not going to be storing files over 4gb (which, considering that i usually use external media for things like virtual machine storage, is not very likely) |
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| 20:14.52 | sepult | heh i switched to Debian Version 5.0.4 ?? |
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| 20:14.57 | sepult | cool |
| 20:16.30 | mcgregor | hmm would it be possible to create a hdd with qemu and partition it/install debian on it and then dd that file to a another harddisk/usb storage? would that "work"? |
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| 20:17.38 | Kuifje | hello. |
| 20:17.42 | Kuifje | here I am again. |
| 20:18.07 | Kuifje | but now I am running the ubuntu live cd, and guess what? it still isnt working, but now I can give you an error message |
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| 20:18.47 | Kuifje | root@ubuntu:/# chroot /mnt/root /bin/bashnchroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 20:19.09 | matu | hi, is there a way to use it Huawei E180 USB Modem without an usb adapter ? |
| 20:19.22 | Kuifje | root@ubuntu:/# chroot /mnt/rootnchroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 20:19.48 | mcgregor | Kuifje, is the installed debian amd64 (64bit) and you run a 32bit live cd? |
| 20:19.58 | Kuifje | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:20.00 | Kuifje | yes. |
| 20:20.15 | Kuifje | that is right. |
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| 20:20.19 | matu | lol |
| 20:20.26 | Kuifje | well, I would never have figured it would be this. |
| 20:20.38 | Kuifje | all right.. |
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| 20:21.22 | Kuifje | ok |
| 20:21.54 | Kuifje | thanks for your help, mcgreror. |
| 20:21.59 | mcgregor | so, I'm sorry, looks like you *have* to burn another 64bit live cd |
| 20:22.08 | mcgregor | you're welcome |
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| 20:22.20 | freezer | hi |
| 20:22.22 | Kuifje | yeah, well, I think I can find my 64bit disk |
| 20:22.30 | Kuifje | bye. |
| 20:22.32 | mcgregor | bye |
| 20:22.54 | freezer | how come i can read FS (fat32) content using 'testdisk' but mount doesn't work? |
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| 20:23.15 | freezer | mount -o loop /tmp/.realcrypt_aux_mnt1/volume -t vfat /mnt/win |
| 20:23.16 | freezer | mount: /dev/loop5: can't read superblock |
| 20:23.48 | ruben23 | hi uncommenting any config means removing the ";" right..>? |
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| 20:24.06 | AimHere | Depends what type of config |
| 20:24.47 | jelly-home | ruben23: some .ini files use ; as a comment character. Not all. # is probably the most often used comment character |
| 20:25.02 | jelly-home | samba uses both |
| 20:25.11 | ruben23 | ok |
| 20:25.19 | jelly-home | (ie. any of the two means comment) |
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| 20:30.24 | Vasistha | Which package provides a php executable that I can use to do php on the command line? |
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| 20:31.29 | freezer | FATs differ - using second FAT. |
| 20:31.30 | freezer | Free cluster summary uninitialized (should be 1203501) |
| 20:31.45 | freezer | how big is a cluster? |
| 20:31.49 | raz0 | Vasistha, php-cli IIRC. |
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| 20:32.16 | jelly-home | freezer: it depends on the filesystem (mostly on its size) |
| 20:32.28 | freezer | fat32 |
| 20:32.37 | freezer | 400GB |
| 20:32.56 | jelly-home | freezer: dosfsck will tell you |
| 20:33.16 | Vasistha | raz0: thanks! |
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| 20:33.33 | dec3pti0n | hi |
| 20:33.45 | Vasistha | ooh, I guess it will take a few minutes to get that since we've hit lennyr4, heh |
| 20:33.47 | jelly-home | freezer: make sure you unmount the filesystem if you plan on fixing it with dosfsck |
| 20:34.09 | dec3pti0n | I have a lenny box that I need to apt-get upgrade but only apache2 ... but apt-get tries to upgrade a bunch of other stuff |
| 20:34.25 | freezer | tmp/.realcrypt_aux_mnt1/volume: 37797 files, 5195713/6399214 clusters |
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| 20:35.01 | freezer | hmm |
| 20:35.15 | freezer | still get the can't read superblock error on mount |
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| 20:35.48 | jelly-home | do you have backups? Have you tried fscking it? |
| 20:36.14 | freezer | Leaving file system unchanged. |
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| 20:36.20 | Kuifje | here I am again... |
| 20:36.20 | bolt | is there anything i need to use the full features of baobab except gnome-utils? when I select that I want to scan a remote filesystem, the only option it gives me is "custom location". i can't do ssh scans now :( |
| 20:36.23 | jelly-home | (and by fscking, I mean using fsck with options that actually do fix stuff) |
| 20:36.36 | freezer | do i need to set someting for fsck.vfat to make changes? |
| 20:36.56 | jelly-home | freezer: that's dosfsck. |
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| 20:37.09 | Kuifje | after I chrooted into /mnt/root and run the grub-install /dev/sda command I get to face the fact that /dev/sda doesnt exist. how do I make sure sda shows up in the chrooted dev dir? |
| 20:37.14 | jelly-home | just read the manual and use correct options, freezer |
| 20:37.36 | jelly-home | even a "dosfsck" by itself lists the options |
| 20:37.37 | freezer | jelly, it is? you mean its an alias |
| 20:38.04 | jelly-home | freezer: a symlink, but yeah |
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| 20:38.28 | Kuifje | jelly-home: I need to make a symlink? |
| 20:38.39 | mcgregor | Kuifje, erm that problem might be because you did mount your roots dev correctly. wait... |
| 20:38.42 | jelly-home | Kuifje: sorry? |
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| 20:39.13 | mcgregor | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/root/dev |
| 20:39.31 | Kuifje | mcgregor: I think that's it, because I merely mounted sda2. |
| 20:39.32 | mcgregor | try that |
| 20:39.39 | Kuifje | ok, thanks. |
| 20:40.39 | mcgregor | ok, and you might need to do that *before* you chroot. I dont know for sure |
| 20:40.51 | Kuifje | I see, ok. |
| 20:41.04 | Kuifje | how to break the chroot, by the way? |
| 20:41.07 | Kuifje | just logout? |
| 20:41.13 | mcgregor | yeah |
| 20:41.13 | cahoot | exit |
| 20:41.39 | Kuifje | ok.. there we go again. |
| 20:41.44 | Kuifje | bye and thanks |
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| 20:42.00 | SerajewelKS | Kuifje: the "chroot" command spawns another command (sh by default) after making the chroot system call. so exiting that process (e.g. by terminating the shell) will "leave" the chroot, in that it returns control to a process outside of the chroot. |
| 20:42.05 | SerajewelKS | damn |
| 20:42.12 | cast | as mentioned....dont need to chroot, do a man grub-install |
| 20:42.12 | mcgregor | lol |
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| 20:42.50 | Da_Wrecka | Alright, I installed ndiswrapper, added "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to my modprobe.conf file, verified that my WNIC has a RTL8185 chipset, installed the Windows driver from the Realtek website, and used ndiswrapper -a to associate the driver with the PCI ID of the NIC, and blacklisted the kernel driver. Now it doesn't have any drivers at all, it won't even show up in the ifconfig output. |
| 20:43.03 | mcgregor | SerajewelKS, look like he misunderstood "logout" with rebooting the machine ;) |
| 20:43.16 | Da_Wrecka | Anyone got any ideas of what I can try next? |
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| 20:44.20 | cast | closed source windows drivers in debian, sure to be supported! |
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| 20:44.38 | Da_Wrecka | Hey, the open-source Linux driver wasn't getting me anywhere |
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| 20:45.51 | Da_Wrecka | The open-source driver was fundamentally broken somehow; It wouldn't even return any scan results, at all. |
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| 20:46.47 | magnus | hey. im on lenny, what are my options if i need a more up-to-date kernel? (specifically, I need a kernel where DVB API version is 5 or better) |
| 20:46.53 | Da_Wrecka | When I iwlist scan using my USB dongle (which is to be avoided as a long-term solution since the USB controller on the machine in question is 1.1, and doesn't seem to support WPA anyway) it returns two networks. |
| 20:47.11 | Da_Wrecka | iwlist scan with the PCMCIA NIC and the rtl8180 kernel drive, there's no results |
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| 20:48.11 | mike-burns | magnus: backports.org |
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| 20:48.54 | magnus | ah, great. thanks |
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| 20:51.19 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian sid, how do I kill xorg and kdm from terminal? |
| 20:51.32 | khaleel5000 | i.e. vt1 |
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| 20:52.17 | mike-burns | killall xorg |
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| 20:52.28 | mcgregor | well, kill -> killall -9 Xorg |
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| 20:54.28 | jelly-home | khaleel5000: just stop kdm. |
| 20:54.28 | Kuifje | okkkk... dev with it's content appeared, but now I get another error... there is no corresponding drive in the bios with sda |
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| 20:54.33 | nsadmin | khaleel5000: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
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| 20:55.00 | KamusHadenes | nooooo |
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| 20:55.13 | KamusHadenes | I deleted everything under /lib, kill me and help! |
| 20:55.22 | Kuifje | how difficult can it be to re-install GRUB... |
| 20:55.52 | nsadmin | KamusHadenes: restore it from your backup |
| 20:55.52 | sepult | KamusHadenes: what ? |
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| 20:56.04 | mcgregor | Kuifje, simply try "grub-install" .. do you have a seperate partition for boot or simply /boot folder within root? |
| 20:56.08 | sepult | KamusHadenes: do you want a copy ? |
| 20:56.24 | KamusHadenes | nsadmin: my backup is lost in time (or in my room, as you prefer) |
| 20:56.31 | KamusHadenes | sepult: I want anything that works :( |
| 20:56.33 | Kuifje | mcgregor: simply boot within root. |
| 20:56.59 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: this should actually be more of a lesson in "don't be root" than in making backups. |
| 20:57.30 | nsadmin | you may have to reinstall... I'd recommend you copy everything in /home to a separate partition if you haven't already |
| 20:57.43 | Kuifje | mcgregor: ok, I will try that then |
| 20:57.50 | Kuifje | hopefully I wont have to come back. |
| 20:57.55 | Vasistha | /etc is also a nice one to back up |
| 20:57.55 | mcgregor | well |
| 20:57.57 | mcgregor | stop |
| 20:58.12 | mcgregor | what does grub-install says itself? |
| 20:58.15 | sepult | KamusHadenes: i would give you my /lib but i don't know how to pass that to you or a server storage area! |
| 20:58.20 | KamusHadenes | is a Xless server, pointless to don't use root, since I only login through ssh. it doesn't have monitor or even keyboard, lol |
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| 20:58.39 | Kuifje | mcgregor: from my experience it gives the a summary of the man page of grub-install. |
| 20:58.44 | KamusHadenes | I typed tab to remove a set of files under /usr/bin, but wrong typed the first letters, leading to a single |
| 20:58.47 | KamusHadenes | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.51 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: well, I think you have learned today that it is quite diligent to not use root. |
| 20:58.55 | Kuifje | mcgregor: or grub-install --help output. |
| 20:59.00 | jelly-home | KamusHadenes: boot from a livecd and reinstall all packages that have things in /lib/ |
| 20:59.06 | KamusHadenes | it was like rm /usr/bin/file *, when it should be rm /usr/bin/fiel* |
| 20:59.36 | nsadmin | oh, so you didn't remove any dirs in /lib |
| 20:59.37 | sepult | KamusHadenes: always alias rm='rm -i' |
| 20:59.39 | KamusHadenes | go search for a monitor, a keyboard and a car to travel |
| 20:59.46 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: rm -i |
| 20:59.51 | KamusHadenes | nsadmin: not the dirs |
| 20:59.52 | jelly-home | sepult: I personally hate that alias |
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| 21:00.02 | KamusHadenes | Vasistha: I assumed I already did it. I was wrong, aparently |
| 21:00.11 | sepult | jelly-home: me too sometimes, though i can always unalias so not a big problem |
| 21:00.17 | jelly-home | wht's the point |
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| 21:00.29 | mcgregor | Kuifje, it's strange that grub-install /dev/sda wont work |
| 21:00.38 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: the other thing I do... I never remove using globs, unless I am inside the directory where I'm removing the files. |
| 21:01.03 | Kuifje | mcgregor: yes. it says that /dev/sda doesnt correspondent with the bios info. |
| 21:01.04 | nsadmin | mcgregor: legacy grub, or grub2? |
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| 21:01.19 | KamusHadenes | how do I get packages that have files under /lib? (remembering that the dirs still there) |
| 21:01.27 | KamusHadenes | I mean, chrooted |
| 21:01.28 | mcgregor | nsadmin, don't ask me :) k |
| 21:01.37 | jelly-home | KamusHadenes: dpkg -S /lib |
| 21:01.39 | mcgregor | Kuifje, is it grub 1 or grub2? you know that? |
| 21:01.45 | KamusHadenes | jelly-home: it doesn't works :P |
| 21:01.49 | unlofl | I'm running small mailing lists for several local organizations, as well as email from my company on exim4. I run into the problem that these lists can be reported as spam, grey listed because of complaints, etc even though they are supposed to be opt-in only. |
| 21:01.51 | Kuifje | hmm. not so sure about that. |
| 21:01.54 | KamusHadenes | actually, even ls works |
| 21:02.04 | Kuifje | I guess grub2, but I am not sure about that. |
| 21:02.22 | KamusHadenes | Ter Fev 02 - 18:56:25 root@Thamuz: [/bin] # dpkg |
| 21:02.23 | KamusHadenes | -bash: /usr/bin/dpkg: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado |
| 21:02.25 | Kuifje | the installation is not very old. |
| 21:02.27 | KamusHadenes | that is interesting :P |
| 21:02.32 | sepult | KamusHadenes: you can look up the packages with either /usr/sahre or /var/lib/dpkg |
| 21:02.37 | unlofl | I'm wondering if its possible to configure exim to run several virtual hosts, each on its own ip address. I have extra ips, and by having a unique ip/hostname combo for each organization I think I can avoid ones semi-spammy behavior interfering with the others/my companys mail delivery. |
| 21:02.45 | unlofl | anyone heard of/done anything like this? |
| 21:02.46 | jelly-home | KamusHadenes: the filesets for each package are saved in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 21:02.55 | Tux^verdreifelt | neues release: ed2k://|file|TrtsBcnsfncstrshp%20(2009%20-%20CUE%20LOG%20FLAC)%20by%20tux%20(HQShare.net).7z|302815279|339D974D300CE12CD7A5186DE5EA8E74|h=PZTCWOUSZ4IWO3VFCGUVCZRCBQDP5JDB|/ :> |
| 21:03.25 | KamusHadenes | do you know what is weird? I'm connected trough a bouncer in the affected server, hahaha |
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| 21:03.39 | unlofl | I'm not even sure if exim is the right MTA to look at for this, but I'm not sure where else to start. |
| 21:04.18 | Tux^verdreifelt | lol sorry, completely wrong window :/ sorry for last amsg, /clear pls |
| 21:04.34 | Kuifje | mcgregor: do you think it's worth trying to use "grub-install"? |
| 21:05.12 | sepult | Kuifje: not unless you use it outside your usual env, mean outside of your linux, so from a cd or so would be better |
| 21:05.20 | mcgregor | give me a minute or two, googling a bit |
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| 21:05.25 | nsadmin | I don't know grub2 but I do know grub 1- |
| 21:05.48 | KamusHadenes | go search for an 1tb hd |
| 21:06.00 | Anthro | [OT] I'm looking for suggestions on a good book on OpenVPN. Discussion of internals/implementation/source is a plus. |
| 21:06.01 | KamusHadenes | I'm sure I put it somewhere in my room |
| 21:06.06 | Kuifje | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/error-devhdx-does-not-have-any-corresponding-bios-drive-and-solution/ |
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| 21:06.35 | svendev | hejsa |
| 21:06.38 | Kuifje | mcgregor: I think that is the solution to my problem, if I have to believe that page. |
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| 21:08.46 | Kuifje | ok, there we go again. |
| 21:08.48 | Kuifje | bye |
| 21:08.57 | mcgregor | Kuifje, maybe you should have do mount -t proc none /mnt/root/proc |
| 21:09.13 | mcgregor | before doing that other mount and then chroot |
| 21:11.27 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian sid, i have nvidia 9600gt for which i use propritary nvidia drivers from debian repo. all was fine, i updated x-server-org via synaptac and now i cant get x, the error i get is failed to nvidia no screens found |
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| 21:11.43 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: dpkg -S /lib | sed -r 's/[,: ]+/\n/g' | while read pkg; do ls /var/cache/apt/archives/${pkg}_* | while read arc; do fls=$(dpkg -c "$arc" | egrep -o '\./lib/[^/]+$'); [[ $fls ]] && echo $arc; done; done |
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| 21:12.10 | khaleel5000 | apt-get shows some updates were not cleanly installed at that time (xorg showed that not all updates were install, when I do apt-get -f install it says install script exited with error code 1 |
| 21:12.38 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: only helpful if you keep your packages cached like I do... |
| 21:12.39 | magnus | hm. I just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.26/lenny to 2.6.30 via backports. all seems well, but even after installing a new set of linux-headers-2.6-amd64, my /usr/include/linux includes seems to belong with my old kernel.. is there anything i can do about this? |
| 21:12.48 | KamusHadenes | great shot, thanks Vasistha |
| 21:13.23 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: you'll probably want to redirect the output to a file: done; done >list-of-files-i-need |
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| 21:14.03 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: then you can use dpkg -c to extract each one, grab the /lib files and copy them |
| 21:14.06 | KamusHadenes | Vasistha: assuming that I have a ssh connection with the machine and only the built-in set of commands, with a copy of my old lib, is possible to restore it? |
| 21:14.55 | KamusHadenes | I mean, without rebooting |
| 21:15.18 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: well, that bash script I gave you includes several non-builtins: sed, egrep, ls, dpkg |
| 21:15.46 | KamusHadenes | Vasistha: I meant, a hard copy, I have the old files in a bz2 |
| 21:15.59 | KamusHadenes | but seens that even dd is built-in |
| 21:16.02 | KamusHadenes | cries for his uptime |
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| 21:16.56 | KamusHadenes | ok guys, wish em luck |
| 21:16.58 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: well it's not like everything has to be builtin. You still ought to be able to use any command that does not reference something in /lib/ |
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| 21:17.32 | KamusHadenes | Vasistha: dd, cat, cp, mv, am I missing something? |
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| 21:18.18 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: my /lib only has 145 entries, and only than half of those are regular files -- 72 |
| 21:18.20 | nvahalik | Any ideas on how to debug a segfault when installing packages in lenny? |
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| 21:18.47 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: bunzip2? |
| 21:18.50 | KamusHadenes | ok, lets try a fisical access, brb |
| 21:18.51 | qwd | Hi, I was told to do this but I'd like to know what it will result in: edit /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf AND change 'net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1' to 'net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0' |
| 21:18.57 | nvahalik | I am getting segfaults all over this box, actually |
| 21:18.58 | KamusHadenes | Vasistha: not too |
| 21:19.03 | nvahalik | brand new install |
| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | nvahalik: that can indicate hardware issues |
| 21:19.30 | adb | nvahalik, do a memtest86 |
| 21:19.31 | qwd | And in case anyone is curious, I installed http://altitudegame.com/ and am having network problems. I emailed support and we're trying to solve it. |
| 21:19.34 | SerajewelKS | qwd: IIRC, it means that when some program binds to :: it will also bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:19.52 | Vasistha | qwd: I've never done that but my best guess would be that it will allow you to bind to ipv4 addresses as well as ipv6, as opposed to restricting binding to only ipv6 |
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| 21:20.03 | fastPutty | hello gusy when i do a SUDO, it always bring me this error: sudo: unable to resolve host XXXX |
| 21:20.10 | qwd | SerajewelKS: Vasistha: sounds harmless, thanks :) |
| 21:20.29 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: no, it affects whether the kernel will implicitly bind to 0.0.0.0 when it is explicitly requested to bind to :: |
| 21:20.34 | nvahalik | jelly-home: very unlikely since this is a VM |
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| 21:20.45 | SerajewelKS | Vasistha: this can cause problems with e.g. lighttpd, which attempts to bind to both :: and 0.0.0.0 by default |
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| 21:20.53 | Vasistha | qwd: probably. SerajewelKS's answer souds much better than mine... |
| 21:21.14 | SerajewelKS | qwd: it's harmless and helpful if you want all you ipv6 services accessible via ipv4 too |
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| 21:21.33 | SerajewelKS | qwd: AND if all your services do NOT attempt to bind to both, or at least bind to ipv4 0.0.0.0 *first* |
| 21:21.41 | nvahalik | I was trying to reinstall libc6 but dpkg fails with a segfault " subprocess rm cleanup killed by signal (Segmentation fault)" |
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| 21:22.13 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: sounds like a damaged libc6? |
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| 21:23.11 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: if you are reinstalling libc6 because you fubared it, you will probably have to reinstall it from somewhere with a working libc6 |
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| 21:23.35 | qwd | Well, that didn't solve the problem so back to emailing their support. Good thing their replies are quick. |
| 21:24.24 | sparr | dhclient overwrites my /etc/resolv.conf every so often. I need that to stop happening. Suggestions? |
| 21:24.32 | dondelelcaro | sparr: use resolvconf |
| 21:25.12 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: which will pretty much be this process: download the exact libc6 deb you need from another computer, put it on a thumb drive. boot your broken box with a live cd. mount the thumb drive. mount your / somewhere like /broken-debian. dpkg --root /broken-debian -i /path/to/libc6...deb |
| 21:25.15 | dondelelcaro | (there are other ways to solve it, but resolvconf is the way to go) |
| 21:25.35 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: and pray |
| 21:25.45 | sparr | dondelelcaro: that seems overkill, but I'll try |
| 21:26.13 | SerajewelKS | sparr: if you just want it to hands-off completely you can chattr +i |
| 21:26.18 | SerajewelKS | sparr: but no, you really do want resolvconf |
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| 21:27.39 | nvahalik | sonofa |
| 21:27.44 | nvahalik | I can't use 'rm' |
| 21:27.53 | sparr | SerajewelKS: i don't seem able to perform that chattr, even as root. guess i need to figure out resolvconf |
| 21:27.54 | qwd | Is there someone here who uses Unstable AMD64 who would be willing to try installing this Java game? http://altitudegame.com/ I'd like to see if you get the same problem as me, and maybe you'll like the game :) |
| 21:27.55 | nvahalik | and aptitude DIED so /var/lib/dpkg/lock exists |
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| 21:27.59 | nvahalik | and I can't DELETE IT |
| 21:27.59 | nkuttler | is there already a timeline for a squeeze freeze? |
| 21:28.04 | qwd | nkuttler: mars |
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| 21:28.19 | SerajewelKS | sparr: hmm, i have no problem with it. what's your filesystem in /etc? |
| 21:28.25 | nkuttler | qwd: thanks. i thought so. devs seems to be shoving in updates in unstable.. |
| 21:28.33 | sparr | SerajewelKS: e4 |
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| 21:28.40 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: you should be able to delete it as root |
| 21:28.53 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: oh right, because of rm dying |
| 21:28.58 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: did you read what i told you above? |
| 21:29.03 | nvahalik | I got disconneted |
| 21:29.08 | SerajewelKS | sparr: hmm, you'd think ext4 would support it |
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| 21:29.22 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: i told you before you got disconnected, but here you go: |
| 21:29.25 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: which will pretty much be this process: download the exact libc6 deb you need from another computer, put it on a thumb drive. boot your broken box with a live cd. mount the thumb drive. mount your / somewhere like /broken-debian. dpkg --root /broken-debian -i /path/to/libc6...deb |
| 21:29.34 | sparr | SerajewelKS: well, moving on, any tips on configuring resolvconf? |
| 21:29.45 | nvahalik | ugh |
| 21:29.46 | SerajewelKS | sparr: well what exactly do you want to do? |
| 21:29.55 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: how did you manage to fubar your libc? |
| 21:29.55 | sparr | keep dhclient from modifying it |
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| 21:30.01 | sparr | err, from modifying /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:30.16 | SerajewelKS | sparr: because... why? because you want to use other dns servers than you are fetching using dhcp? |
| 21:30.16 | sparr | more specifically, my ISP's nameservers suck, so I want to use ones that I specify |
| 21:30.23 | nvahalik | SerajewelKS: no clue. this box is a brand new lenny net install (two days old) |
| 21:30.27 | sparr | yes, that |
| 21:30.36 | nkuttler | sparr: hmm, but the point of dhcp is to provide you a nameserver. maybe man interfaces, post-up etc |
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| 21:30.42 | SerajewelKS | sparr: ok. i believe there may be a stanza you can put in /etc/network/interfaces or in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf that will supress that behavior |
| 21:30.55 | burd | Hello, today when our Apache logs rotated we foudn that the log from last month was gigantic compared to the rest. looking at the log i am seeing literally hundreds of thousands of these localhost requests that end with (internal dummy connection) looking into this I find that there is some very ambiguous answers to preventing the logs from filling up from this.. none of which I read about were 100% working.. Does anyone know about this and how I can stop it from |
| 21:30.58 | sparr | nkuttler: no, the point of dhcp is to provide me an IP. anything extra is extra, and i don't want or need it. |
| 21:30.58 | SerajewelKS | sparr: read the manpages |
| 21:31.18 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: is there anything on it that you would not mind losing? |
| 21:31.27 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: would* mind |
| 21:31.28 | nkuttler | it's dhcp, not dipcp |
| 21:31.31 | NiLon | burd setting higher loglevel should help |
| 21:31.48 | sparr | nkuttler: i once spent two days figuring out how microsoft dhcp and dns servers talk to each other to turn a dhcp request into a dns record. i do NOT need extra functionality from dhcp. |
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| 21:32.09 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: nonetheless, it can be configured to not overwrite resolv.conf. i don't know of any OS that doesn't let you force specific DNS servers. (at least all windows editions do, and i know linux does) |
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| 21:32.23 | burd | NiLon: will that affect any other logging going on as far as statistics go? |
| 21:32.46 | NiLon | burd for access, don't think so |
| 21:33.10 | SerajewelKS | sparr: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf has this example line: #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
| 21:33.11 | burd | k I'll give that a shot.. any idea why this started last month and not the two years prior? lol |
| 21:33.20 | NiLon | burd but you might wanna fix the "problem" instead of hide it |
| 21:33.50 | burd | NiLon thats why i'm here.. every answer i seen was just to cover it up.. but nobody knows what the problem is.. |
| 21:34.20 | burd | I know what it is doing but it shouldn't be filling the logs up like this it's dragging the machine down |
| 21:34.22 | SerajewelKS | sparr: you can also take "domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search" out of the "request" clause |
| 21:34.27 | dondelelcaro | sparr: once you have resolvconf installed, all of the modification to /etc/resolv.conf goes from it |
| 21:34.40 | dondelelcaro | sparr: so you can just drop in dns-nameservers into your appropriate stanza, and all will be well |
| 21:34.56 | NiLon | burd sometimes it helps that you set MaxSpareServers higher than MinSpareServers, also check out MaxRequestsPerChild |
| 21:34.57 | nvahalik | SerajewelKS: Yeah... lots. Box is a production intranet |
| 21:35.18 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: then do the steps i gave you, or reinstall |
| 21:35.27 | dondelelcaro | sparr: presumably, you have a static interface, or some other interface which has proper dns servers, and you can then add dns-nameservers bits to that stanza when you bring up that interface |
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| 21:36.01 | burd | NiLon k thank you for your help as always the Debian community rocks |
| 21:36.08 | dondelelcaro | sparr: you may also need to modify interface-order, but see resolvconf(8) |
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| 21:36.44 | NiLon | then you could try something like this to hide those messages |
| 21:36.45 | NiLon | SetEnvIf Remote_Addr “::1? nolog |
| 21:36.45 | NiLon | CustomLog /var/log/apache2/access.log combined env=!nolog |
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| 21:36.52 | NiLon | so you don't kind of miss anything |
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| 21:37.10 | NiLon | andd quotes fail |
| 21:37.32 | NiLon | just "::1" anyway |
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| 21:38.28 | NiLon | burd tho that way will cause some performance loss |
| 21:38.38 | burd | thats the last thing I need |
| 21:38.46 | burd | this server is under extreme stress 24/7 |
| 21:39.07 | burd | and that is the fix i went and read on but didn't liek BTW :P |
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| 21:39.18 | nvahalik | So how do I know that there are no other packages that got fubar'd? |
| 21:40.12 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: you don't... that i know of |
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| 21:40.26 | SerajewelKS | nvahalik: no, install debsums |
| 21:40.36 | hebz0rl | is there something like netio (it measures the network bandwidth) in the debian repositories? |
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| 21:41.01 | dondelelcaro | hebz0rl: loads of things; see ntop for example |
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| 21:41.11 | hebz0rl | thank you |
| 21:41.12 | nvahalik | Yeah, crap. md5 checksum failed |
| 21:41.53 | bolt | apt: somebody should fix your stringcompare function, you stupid automaton. "r00t" is not equal to "root". i am not irc'ing as root. grr. who the heck told this thing to onjoin spam people anyway? |
| 21:41.55 | apt | bolt: what are you talking about? |
| 21:42.04 | bolt | apt: you :P |
| 21:42.27 | hebz0rl | dondelelcaro, ah nope i want to measure the speed of the network (i have a wlan connection which i want to see which netto speed i get) |
| 21:42.32 | cheako | Hello, Does any one know how applications like ddrescue discover the size of the medium for a CD? dvd+rw-mediainfo reports the size on the lead-out track is 3.2GB. Where ddrescue and all other applications stop at 1G. |
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| 21:43.22 | cheako | I know this is caused by the DVD drive, because it happens with every disk. I'm just looking for a method I can use to detect if the problem is corrected. |
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| 21:44.01 | cheako | ...or if the problem exists so some script can stop operations until the problem is corrected. |
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| 21:44.40 | cheako | Running ddrescue is too much effort to run as a test for this condition. |
| 21:44.46 | hebz0rl | ah i found something called bing which is exactly what i wanted thx ;D |
| 21:45.10 | cheako | I'm looking for "ls -s" VS wc. |
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| 21:46.20 | nvahalik | is there a recommended live cd? |
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| 21:46.28 | streuner | !grml |
| 21:46.29 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:46.42 | nvahalik | or will the netboot iso allow me to resintall libc6? |
| 21:47.08 | streuner | any netboot CD will allow you to reinstall |
| 21:47.09 | abrotman | bolt: don't harass the bot |
| 21:47.50 | bolt | abrotman: it's harassing me |
| 21:47.50 | streuner | "reinstall" not "reinstall libc6, if you want that, just /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 21:48.19 | abrotman | bolt: ignore it .. i'll tell the owner when he comes around |
| 21:48.39 | bolt | abrotman: great. thanks :) |
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| 21:49.29 | abrotman | bolt: done |
| 21:49.32 | abrotman | i think |
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| 21:50.50 | harovali | hi, I cannot make a partition's contents accessible to a user non-root. |
| 21:51.02 | streuner | depends |
| 21:51.05 | harovali | here is a session that shows it http://pastebin.com/m16aa315e |
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| 21:51.56 | nsadmin | which partition? |
| 21:52.21 | nsadmin | sdb1? |
| 21:52.57 | harovali | nsadmin: yes |
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| 21:53.13 | nsadmin | and it's formatted ext3? |
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| 21:57.55 | kachmir | hi , |
| 21:58.35 | kachmir | i have a usb key and it is just in reading mode, couldn't write; any help? |
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| 22:01.35 | nsadmin | kachmir when you look at the output of mount (no params), what does it say for the key" |
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| 22:02.43 | kachmir | nsadmin, /dev/sdc1 on /media/usb type vfat (rw) |
| 22:02.59 | kachmir | nsadmin, i know seems bizarre but |
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| 22:03.41 | nsadmin | so it's vfat which is a windows/dos fs type |
| 22:03.41 | kachmir | nsadmin, reading only |
| 22:04.05 | Arrowmaster | its probably mounted by root so only root has rw |
| 22:04.09 | kachmir | yes but i ve used it only on debian |
| 22:04.38 | kachmir | so what should i do? |
| 22:05.12 | nsadmin | you could copy the data and let them access the copy |
| 22:06.12 | kachmir | nsadmin, let them, you mean what? |
| 22:06.21 | nsadmin | see, since it's vfat it doesn't have the unix/linux permission/owner/group system |
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| 22:07.37 | kachmir | nsadmin, what do you suggest i can do? |
| 22:08.01 | nsadmin | maybe we can come up with a different solution for you, but I would need more info about exactly what you're trying to accomplish |
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| 22:08.45 | nsadmin | also vfat mounting has mount options, so you could look into those |
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| 22:09.25 | KamusHadenes | wow |
| 22:09.28 | nsadmin | but if you only use this in linux then you could copy the data, reformat the stick as ext2 or something like that, copy the data back and mount the result |
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| 22:10.15 | kachmir | nsadmin, well i'll have probably to use vfat, but i do want to format it also |
| 22:10.51 | nsadmin | so, what are you trying to accomplish overall? |
| 22:11.50 | pngwn | EagleWatch, please turn that script off |
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| 22:12.12 | kachmir | nsadmin, first format and keep vfat (for the wdz things) |
| 22:13.26 | KamusHadenes | Vasistha: he, I managed to fix it |
| 22:13.47 | Vasistha | KamusHadenes: congrats, good job |
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| 22:14.25 | KamusHadenes | thanks for your help, was essential |
| 22:14.34 | penguin | I just hosed my XP computer and I am loading Knoppix. What is the easiest way to network Knoppix with this Debian computer? |
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| 22:15.14 | gordonjcp | kachmir: depends what you want to do |
| 22:15.20 | gordonjcp | bah |
| 22:15.24 | gordonjcp | penguin: depends what you want to do |
| 22:15.39 | nsadmin | penguin: maybe knoppix has /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown |
| 22:15.57 | kachmir | gordonjcp, format the key |
| 22:16.10 | nsadmin | if it doesn't, then it's probably back to ifconfig/route |
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| 22:16.46 | nsadmin | maybe knoppix autodetects the net so you don't have to do anything |
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| 22:17.30 | nsadmin | if you're running a properly configured dhcp server on your lan, especially |
| 22:18.44 | penguin | The file system is still intact |
| 22:18.57 | penguin | I basically just want to back everything up as easily as possible. |
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| 22:19.38 | nsadmin | penguin that should be fairly easy... do you use separate partitions? what device will you back up to? |
| 22:19.58 | penguin | I want to back up to this cojmputer |
| 22:20.21 | penguin | Just the most important stuff for now |
| 22:20.26 | nsadmin | so, over your lan |
| 22:20.38 | nsadmin | what's important to you? |
| 22:20.40 | EagleWatch | pngwn, is off |
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| 22:21.22 | edavis | I was following the online guide to install a wireless card for 'bcm43xx'. I go to the step where I need to type `modprobe bcm43xx` and it gives the response: FATAL: Module bcm43xx not found. |
| 22:22.29 | edavis | any idea what to do? |
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| 22:22.57 | nsadmin | edavis could you show the "lspci -nn" line that describes the card? |
| 22:23.33 | edavis | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01) |
| 22:23.48 | nsadmin | let's see what judd says |
| 22:23.59 | nsadmin | judd pciid 14e4:4311 |
| 22:24.01 | judd | [14e4:4311] is 'BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4311 |
| 22:24.22 | nsadmin | try modprobe ssb |
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| 22:24.43 | zinx | bets it's already loaded :/ |
| 22:24.45 | penguin | Can someone please give me simpleton instructions for networking two linux computers? |
| 22:24.47 | edavis | nsadmin: worked |
| 22:25.03 | nsadmin | edavis: ifconfig -a |
| 22:25.13 | nsadmin | does it have wlan0 and wmaster0? |
| 22:25.19 | edavis | yup yup |
| 22:25.34 | nsadmin | seems you're up... try iwlist scan |
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| 22:25.49 | edavis | wmaster 0 doesn |
| 22:25.52 | edavis | wmaster 0 doesn't support scanning |
| 22:25.59 | edavis | wlan0 "network is down" |
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| 22:26.28 | nsadmin | hmm. well we got you past the module thing' |
| 22:26.34 | edavis | yeah |
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| 22:26.40 | edavis | The guide says to now `iwconfig` |
| 22:26.45 | edavis | and `ifconfig eth1 up` |
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| 22:27.08 | nsadmin | see what happens |
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| 22:27.21 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, how can i recreate my public key from my private one? |
| 22:27.47 | edavis | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 22:28.03 | nsadmin | edavis: ifconfig -a |
| 22:28.11 | nsadmin | and see what it gives you |
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| 22:28.49 | greymalkin | breathes a sigh of relief. |
| 22:29.01 | edavis | nsadmin: eht0, lo, wlan0, wmaster0 |
| 22:29.15 | nsadmin | ok, maybe it's eth0 |
| 22:29.38 | nsadmin | do you have a wired eth port you were using? |
| 22:29.40 | Taita | Hi to all. Please, what is te right software for HA Cluster for debian 5 ? |
| 22:29.42 | greymalkin | I had more than a year's worth of uptime and just did my first server reboot after a dist-upgrade. Now running lenny with no problems :) |
| 22:29.56 | edavis | ok |
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| 22:30.01 | edavis | I did `ifconfig eth0 up` |
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| 22:30.12 | edavis | wlan0 is still down |
| 22:30.25 | penguin | Should I put the ip address in Knoppix somewhere? |
| 22:30.59 | mick_laptop | nm, found it |
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| 22:31.09 | nsadmin | penguin for that you'll get better more focused results asking on #knoppix |
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| 22:31.26 | nsadmin | besides, I have no idea :) |
| 22:31.44 | edavis | any other suggestions, nsadmin ? |
| 22:32.02 | penguin | not much happening over at #knoppix |
| 22:32.04 | nsadmin | I havent' done a lot of wireless work |
| 22:32.08 | edavis | =/ |
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| 22:32.35 | Arek_Fu | hello folks. Does anyone know how patch determines which file to act upon? My patch is in unified format. Does it take the one after +++? The one after ---? |
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| 22:33.19 | edavis | nsadmin: any idea who here might know? |
| 22:33.39 | nsadmin | maybe most of them, but just ask the question |
| 22:34.19 | nsadmin | also maybe you want to ask about which howto/guide is known reliable |
| 22:34.33 | adb | Taita, apt-cache search heartbeat ? |
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| 22:35.00 | shingouz | edavis: iwconfig the essid and (optional) key first, then ifconfig the interface up. if you have a dhcp running on the wlan, you may wan to have a dhcp client running too unless you do a manual configuration on the interface |
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| 22:35.58 | shingouz | edavis: of course you could also edit /etc/network/interfaces to contain the appropriate information, then only ifup wlan0 |
| 22:36.17 | edavis | yeah, I wouldn't know what information to put in, to edit the interfaces |
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| 22:36.43 | shingouz | edavis: are you running your wlan with WPA or WEP? |
| 22:36.44 | penguin | Where is the nameserver info stored |
| 22:37.01 | shingouz | penguin: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:37.01 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.03 | Noturno99 | somebody help me? when I try to compile with gtk show this message: Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 22:37.03 | Noturno99 | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc' |
| 22:37.04 | Noturno99 | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 22:37.04 | Noturno99 | No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
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| 22:37.25 | nsadmin | but this file is edited by dhcp clients and possibly other parts of the os |
| 22:37.38 | adb | Taita, ask in channel , please |
| 22:37.39 | edavis | shingouz: none |
| 22:38.09 | shingouz | edavis: i see... changed the ssid on the ap? |
| 22:38.34 | edavis | How? o.o |
| 22:38.36 | Taita | Hi, adb. I try make a HA cluster with 2 Servers. Have you expereince in this ? |
| 22:38.57 | adb | no, sorry |
| 22:39.14 | Taita | thanks. |
| 22:39.24 | adb | np |
| 22:39.25 | shingouz | edavis: you are running the ap as it is *straight out the box*? scary. well, each to his/her own |
| 22:39.58 | Taita | Hi to all..... Any body experience in HA cluster on debian? |
| 22:40.01 | edavis | I don't know what you mean by 'ap' |
| 22:40.11 | shingouz | edavis: access point |
| 22:40.12 | nsadmin | accesspoint |
| 22:40.19 | edavis | Oh |
| 22:40.27 | nsadmin | at least I knew that one :) |
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| 22:44.01 | shingouz | edavis: basically 'iwconfig wlan0 essid any channel <whatever-you-run>' followed by 'ifconfig wlan0 man.ual.ip.addr up' and it *should* work |
| 22:44.36 | penguin | should I be using the route command to set up the network? |
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| 22:45.01 | zleap | penguin, i think route sets up routing |
| 22:45.09 | nooper | maybe if your box is the network router |
| 22:45.56 | penguin | What command gives the ip address to the eth0 |
| 22:45.57 | shingouz | penguin: are you running knoppix or debian there? on a full manual network setup on debian you will need the route too, on knoppix only the knoppix-guys knowo |
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| 22:46.28 | penguin | ifconfig only brings the loopback device |
| 22:46.53 | shingouz | penguin: for giggles, check the manpage of ifconfig |
| 22:46.56 | rooisto47 | is there a problem with the security.debian.org repository (for testing) ? |
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| 22:47.18 | penguin | does ifconfig set up the ip address on the machine? |
| 22:47.31 | shingouz | penguin: if you tell it to |
| 22:47.37 | penguin | I have a book at home that explains all this crap |
| 22:47.45 | nooper | you also have man pages |
| 22:48.07 | shingouz | penguin: you also have the manpages that explain the crap on a decent install... |
| 22:48.12 | penguin | I have running Linux here, but my better books aint with me. |
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| 22:48.50 | rooisto47 | penguin: # ifconfig ethX inet yo.ur.i.p |
| 22:48.51 | SerajewelKS | gvfs is teh shiznit |
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| 22:49.12 | shingouz | is it sunday somewhere or am i just out of practise? |
| 22:49.25 | SerajewelKS | penguin: if you want to set a permanent static ip, "man interfaces" and set up /etc/network/interfaces properly |
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| 22:50.01 | rooisto47 | is there a problem with security.debian.org repo please ? |
| 22:50.17 | rooisto47 | i'm using testing |
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| 22:50.43 | shingouz | rooisto47: last i checked there is no security for testing but things may have changed |
| 22:50.45 | nooper | 'aptitude update' didn't report any problems on security.debian.org |
| 22:51.08 | edavis | shingouz: what am I putting for <whatever-you-run> ? |
| 22:51.20 | penguin | ifconfig and route should set up the whole show I think. |
| 22:51.27 | rooisto47 | because when trying build a live_image it takes a long time trying to download stuffs fro |
| 22:51.35 | rooisto47 | from the security repo |
| 22:51.39 | rooisto47 | ! |
| 22:51.46 | SerajewelKS | penguin: they will until you reboot |
| 22:51.53 | shingouz | edavis: the channel your ap is working on. you may also omit that piece of information but then you cannot really be sure what ap the thing connects to |
| 22:52.30 | edavis | shingouz: the channel is 'auto' |
| 22:52.42 | shingouz | edavis: on the ap you mean? |
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| 22:52.52 | edavis | yes, the router |
| 22:52.56 | stonie | hi.. |
| 22:53.28 | stonie | help please! --- warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk. This is a BAD idea .. but that just happened :-/ .. how may i recover data? |
| 22:53.42 | shingouz | edavis: you really just pulled the router out of its box, set it on your desk and fired it up? no configuration changes on it? |
| 22:53.55 | edavis | I did a bunch of changes |
| 22:54.02 | edavis | I just never added a password. |
| 22:54.26 | SerajewelKS | stonie: pastebin the output of "mount" |
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| 22:54.40 | edavis | I didn't see the need for a password, seeing as how I set it only certain machines can connect to the router |
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| 22:54.44 | edavis | ;) |
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| 22:55.06 | SerajewelKS | edavis: if you do that by MAC address then it's as secure as WEP |
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| 22:55.13 | stonie | SerajewelKS, i can mount it but not access a folder on the disk |
| 22:55.16 | SerajewelKS | edavis: e.g. anyone who knows shit about wlan can break it |
| 22:55.27 | SerajewelKS | stonie: which disk is this? |
| 22:55.31 | edavis | Sorry, but I didn't join here to talk about securing my router |
| 22:55.33 | stonie | hdb |
| 22:55.58 | SerajewelKS | stonie: pastebin the output of these two commands: 'fdisk -l /dev/hdb' and 'file -s /dev/hdb' |
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| 22:56.53 | edavis | and shingouz , I want to be able to connect to ANY network |
| 22:56.56 | edavis | not just my home one... |
| 22:56.59 | shingouz | edavis: and if your router/ap is running with the default passwords etc, it would be a piece of cake to print 1024 pages of pr0n on your printer via the wireless, then deny you access |
| 22:57.11 | stonie | SerajewelKS, from this it looks correct |
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| 22:57.32 | edavis | shingouz: my printer isn't wireless. |
| 22:57.35 | shingouz | edavis: the point is that you want to connect to ONE at the time.... check the manpages foe iwconfig, ifconfig and interfaces |
| 22:57.39 | edavis | Or running on a network. |
| 22:57.41 | SerajewelKS | stonie: so you formatted the entire disk with a filesystem instead of setting up partitions. that's usually not a good idea. |
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| 22:58.09 | shingouz | edavis: no but you have a computer connected to the network, you have wireless and a printer connected to a networked computer |
| 22:58.17 | stonie | SerajewelKS, yea, a BAD idea told grub me already ... any idea how to fix it? |
| 22:58.23 | edavis | No |
| 22:58.32 | edavis | I don't have a home network |
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| 22:59.28 | SerajewelKS | stonie: copy the data somewhere else, set up the partition, format the partition, copy the data back |
| 22:59.36 | shingouz | edavis: yes you do. you are just trying to set up your wlan. that qualifies as a network and if you leave your router or ap on the default settings you are just waiting for a disaster to happen |
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| 22:59.51 | stonie | SerajewelKS, i CANT access any data, thats the problem :-/ |
| 23:00.00 | edavis | But they're not on the defualt settings ;) |
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| 23:00.04 | SerajewelKS | stonie: what does 'mount' say when you try to mount it somewhere? |
| 23:00.24 | edavis | and I highly doubt someone is going to be able to print off my printer just because my computer is connected to a router. |
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| 23:00.41 | stonie | SerajewelKS, it just mounts .. i can see content but i cant access it |
| 23:00.44 | SerajewelKS | edavis: if you leave your AP set up with no security (that does NOT include MAC filters) then all of your network traffic can be sniffed |
| 23:00.46 | shingouz | edavis: in that case you should know the channel and the essid you set them on. let iwconfig know about those settings and let it do its thing followed with ifconfig |
| 23:00.58 | SerajewelKS | edavis: which means that many of your passwords can be snooped |
| 23:01.20 | edavis | I live near a bunch of rednecks who don't know how to spell computer |
| 23:01.25 | shingouz | edavis: SerajewelKS means *everything* can be snooped, not just the passwords |
| 23:01.27 | SerajewelKS | stonie: umount the volume and run 'fsck -f /dev/hdb' |
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| 23:02.02 | stonie | SerajewelKS, ye thought so too.. but isit safe? |
| 23:02.05 | shingouz | edavis: if you live on the planet earth, there will be someone who is interested in wardriving in your neighborhood |
| 23:02.17 | edavis | Again, I'm not here for a lesson on router security |
| 23:02.25 | edavis | I'm here because the wiki debian guide doesn't work |
| 23:02.30 | SerajewelKS | edavis: "nobody wants to or can break my network" does not mean it will not happen |
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| 23:02.48 | nsadmin | jes cuz dey kant spel duzent meen dey kant rite! |
| 23:02.55 | edavis | So really it just tells me that you don't know the answer to my question |
| 23:03.05 | SerajewelKS | edavis: i live near a bunch of idiots too. but *i* know how to break into their networks, which is plenty of motivation for me to have proper security. |
| 23:03.10 | edavis | seeing as how you're trying to solve something TOTALLY different |
| 23:03.16 | stonie | so you think its safe |
| 23:03.24 | SerajewelKS | edavis: no, it tells me that we will not help you until you show us you have a clue |
| 23:03.51 | edavis | SerajewelKS: I don't need any security for me to want to install the driver for my wireless card. |
| 23:03.53 | SerajewelKS | edavis: if you assume that there is nobody near you who knows shit, you are mistaken. it only takes the one neighbor you haven't met yet. |
| 23:04.00 | edavis | SerajewelKS: I really don't care. |
| 23:04.02 | shingouz | edavis: no, you are missing the point here. i cannot help you if you do not know the settings you need to use. find out the channel and essid you want, then set them up with iwconfig |
| 23:04.14 | SerajewelKS | edavis: then we don't really care to help you |
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| 23:04.34 | edavis | shingouz: what if I want to leave it to 'auto'? |
| 23:04.35 | SerajewelKS | or at least i don't. i'm not going to be an accessory to yet another wide-open access point run by someone with no concept of security. |
| 23:04.39 | shingouz | SerajewelKS: is it sunday somewhere? |
| 23:04.45 | edavis | SerajewelKS: see ya |
| 23:04.49 | SerajewelKS | shingouz: perpetually, it seems |
| 23:05.11 | edavis | I know my ssid |
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| 23:05.20 | shingouz | edavis: in htat case you cannot be sure which accesspoint it connects to. maybe to your redneck neighbors ap that hosts a lot of pr0n |
| 23:05.29 | SerajewelKS | stonie: this means that the volume you created on that disk is actually bigger than the disk, or it means the filesystem is damaged |
| 23:05.36 | SerajewelKS | stonie: fsck the volume and see if that fixes it |
| 23:05.43 | shingouz | edavis: in that case set the essid with iwconfig! dammit... |
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| 23:06.16 | edavis | shingouz: what if I want to connect to a different network.../ |
| 23:06.22 | edavis | I have to do this all over again? |
| 23:06.22 | nsadmin | I thought there wasn't much you could do |
| 23:06.28 | stonie | SerajewelKS, fsck reports so many errors |
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| 23:06.44 | SerajewelKS | stonie: yeah somehow it looks like your filesystem got hosed |
| 23:07.04 | shingouz | edavis: if you are using iwconfig and ifconfig, you always need to set the things up manually. if you want to do it automagically, you really need to read up on man interfaces |
| 23:07.06 | SerajewelKS | stonie: let the fsck run and then see what happens |
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| 23:07.29 | edavis | shingouz: first I need to install the driver for my network card... |
| 23:07.41 | nsadmin | it's not ssb? |
| 23:07.50 | edavis | obviously not |
| 23:08.00 | shingouz | edavis: ifconfig -a |
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| 23:08.42 | nsadmin | not obvious to me... I was out |
| 23:08.47 | edavis | eth0, lo, wlan0, wmaster0 - shingouz |
| 23:09.04 | shingouz | edavis: wlan0 IS your wireless interface |
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| 23:09.25 | nsadmin | so, ifconfig wlan0 up? |
| 23:09.41 | edavis | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
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| 23:10.04 | shingouz | edavis: and that came from exactly where? |
| 23:10.13 | nsadmin | that message must mean something else |
| 23:10.13 | edavis | From executing `ifconfig wlan0 up` |
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| 23:10.39 | shingouz | edavis: you did not by any chance listen to what i told you? iwconfig first, then ifconfig |
| 23:11.20 | edavis | I did, shingouz |
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| 23:11.37 | shingouz | edavis: listen or do iwconfig? |
| 23:12.05 | edavis | Well if I did one, then I obviously would have done the other |
| 23:12.24 | edavis | if I did iwconfig, I would have been listening. If I was listening, i would have done iwconfig |
| 23:12.28 | shingouz | edavis: you obviously did not have your driver installed either |
| 23:12.32 | nsadmin | the channel temp is rising a degree or so... can we take a breath pls |
| 23:12.50 | edavis | because it wasn't |
| 23:12.58 | shingouz | yes. i think it is time for me to get some caffeine nsadmin |
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| 23:13.54 | nsadmin | shingouz: you must have seen when I asked judd for the pciid |
| 23:14.12 | nsadmin | anyway, grab your first cup... I need my second :) |
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| 23:14.38 | penguin | route add -net 192.1.1.1 (my IP) This is right command? |
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| 23:15.03 | shingouz | nsadmin: first? it is the wee hours here and i have not been sitting at the computer for ages. try 15th :D |
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| 23:15.15 | nsadmin | heh :) |
| 23:15.21 | nsadmin | still going for my second |
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| 23:16.05 | xverse | anyone running lenny on a i686 laptop? |
| 23:16.10 | nsadmin | 192.1.1.1 is really your ip? :) and that net route isn't right. brb |
| 23:16.25 | SerajewelKS | !tell xverse about pull |
| 23:16.27 | SerajewelKS | !tell xverse about poll |
| 23:16.40 | SerajewelKS | xverse: oops on pull |
| 23:16.54 | jerojasro | hi all. I have some modifications to the source code of a program that is available as a package in debian. how can I create a .deb from my modified source, with the minimal possible hassle? (the package I want to recreate is ajaxterm, just in case) |
| 23:17.24 | xverse | hehehe ok, sorry, wasn't aware of the pragmatics of this channel |
| 23:17.26 | SerajewelKS | jerojasro: get the source package, apply your patch, build the binary package, install it, and mark it as held |
| 23:17.40 | SerajewelKS | xverse: is the pragmatics of support in general :) |
| 23:18.03 | xverse | I understand, thanks for letting me know! :) |
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| 23:18.55 | SerajewelKS | !tell jerojasro about package recompile |
| 23:18.57 | sneezewort | Hello all, I need to connect to an old CIsco firewall occasionally that will not work with current Java and I use other stuff that requires a modern Java. What is the best way to switch between the two? |
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| 23:19.08 | edavis | back :p |
| 23:19.12 | SerajewelKS | jerojasro: do that, but apply your patch before step 5 |
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| 23:19.41 | SerajewelKS | sneezewort: if i were you i'd probably set up a virtual machine or a chroot with the version you need |
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| 23:20.10 | SerajewelKS | sneezewort: otherwise, i think java has some environment variables you can use, but i don't recall what they are offhand |
| 23:21.05 | stonie | SerajewelKS, so thanks for the help .. im a bit clueless now.. |
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| 23:22.19 | edavis | Ok, so, sorry |
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| 23:22.38 | edavis | When I type `ifconfig wlan0 up`, it says no such file or directory |
| 23:23.03 | nsadmin | so that's not the right thing to do... |
| 23:23.11 | nsadmin | sorry about that part |
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| 23:23.21 | edavis | So then what do I do? :o |
| 23:23.24 | gm152 | You're using the backticks? |
| 23:23.37 | edavis | What? |
| 23:23.40 | penguin | I get invalid argument with the command route add -net MYIPADDRESS |
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| 23:24.42 | nsadmin | penguin: you have to understand the bitwise ops that go into IP routing to understand why that's not right |
| 23:24.42 | edavis | So there's no way I can just connect to any random network without having to execute all of these commands? |
| 23:24.43 | jerojasro | SerajewelKS: thanks a lot, will do! |
| 23:25.05 | nsadmin | edavis: you'd have to store it somehow |
| 23:25.48 | penguin | huh? |
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| 23:26.10 | nsadmin | penguin do you understand what a netmask is and what's done with it? |
| 23:26.46 | penguin | somewhat |
| 23:26.57 | penguin | SO I need a netmask? |
| 23:27.08 | nsadmin | if you AND your IP with the netmask, you get your net address |
| 23:27.44 | penguin | My netmask is clearly wrong. It is showing 255.0.0.0 |
| 23:27.45 | nsadmin | if you OR your ip with the bitwise complement of your netmask, you get your broadcast address |
| 23:28.06 | penguin | So I need to use ifconfig to set the mask? |
| 23:28.20 | nsadmin | which would make your net addr 192.0.0.0 |
| 23:28.28 | nsadmin | which like you say seems wrong |
| 23:29.05 | nsadmin | are you trying to set up a house lan? |
| 23:29.30 | shingouz | edavis: /etc/network/interfaces is the key to your problem. man interfaces |
| 23:30.00 | penguin | knoppix |
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| 23:30.01 | nsadmin | shingouz does he need wpasupplicant? |
| 23:30.11 | edavis | shingouz: so there is no way where, like Windows, I can just connect to whatever network I want...? :/ |
| 23:30.15 | edavis | I installed that, nsadmin |
| 23:30.17 | penguin | I am trying to back up my hosed windows piece of crrap computer |
| 23:30.18 | shingouz | nsadmin: yes if he wants to connect to wpa networks |
| 23:30.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:30.36 | nsadmin | I wish I knew more about this |
| 23:30.45 | shingouz | edavis: yes there is. manually with iwconfig and ifconfig or automagically with interfaces |
| 23:31.11 | edavis | shingouz: is there a guide for doing it with interfaces? |
| 23:31.20 | shingouz | edavis: man interfaces |
| 23:31.41 | edavis | That tells you how to connect to wireless networks automatically? |
| 23:31.41 | nsadmin | and the docs on the wpa supplicant, if you're connecting to wpa nets |
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| 23:32.41 | rgr | edavis: did you try wicd? |
| 23:32.46 | edavis | wicd? nope |
| 23:32.59 | shingouz | edavis: it gives you the information on how to modify the file so that your system is capable of connecting automagically to different networks. for secure networks you also need to read up on wep/wpa or other similar authentication types |
| 23:33.00 | rgr | do so. Designed to be easy and work. |
| 23:33.20 | rgr | wpa etc a click away. starts before you logon too. |
| 23:33.38 | rgr | nice gnome applet too if that lights your fire. |
| 23:33.43 | edavis | rgr: awesome |
| 23:33.43 | edavis | Thanks |
| 23:33.54 | shingouz | clicky things. eww. |
| 23:34.04 | rgr | its not clicky unless you want it to be. |
| 23:34.16 | penguin | My book here says if you are using the standard subnet mask I can skip the netmask option to ifconfig. |
| 23:34.20 | rgr | and most people with a gui desktop do. I certainly do when roaming. |
| 23:34.33 | penguin | Whatever the hell that means. |
| 23:34.59 | nsadmin | how familiar are you with bitwise math? |
| 23:35.11 | penguin | So really when U run ifconfig you must give GW and mask? |
| 23:35.18 | rgr | sounds simple enough. If you ue the standard netmak no need to pass it as a paremter as the ifconfig will assume it. |
| 23:35.34 | penguin | I am familiar with bitwise math |
| 23:35.39 | nsadmin | if you're atleast somewhat familiar, it's easier to explain how this all works |
| 23:35.51 | penguin | 7 + 3 = 3 |
| 23:36.05 | shingouz | rgr: mostly i run x to keep track of terminals (and to be able to read some work related email attachments that my PHB insists on sending in the infamous doc format) |
| 23:36.18 | penguin | 7 and 3 = 3 rather |
| 23:36.26 | nsadmin | right |
| 23:36.27 | rgr | shingouz: my wicd comment want aimed at you ;O) |
| 23:36.33 | penguin | 7 or 3 = 7 |
| 23:36.51 | shingouz | rgr i know, clicky things just makes me itch :p |
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| 23:37.19 | rgr | clicky things are a god send most of the time when done right. wicd is one such done right. I like termianls too, but most don't. |
| 23:38.15 | nsadmin | so... what' |
| 23:38.21 | nsadmin | s your net look like? |
| 23:38.40 | nsadmin | first, how do you connect to the rest of the internet? |
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| 23:38.47 | shingouz | rgr: i am old enough to play doom on punch cards :p |
| 23:39.24 | nsadmin | punch cards and cdc6400s... hmm... |
| 23:39.36 | rgr | me too pretty much. doesnt mean I like to remember archaic command line voodoo when I dont need to and interfaces is one such ;) click applet, select network, done for ever more. happy me ;) |
| 23:39.50 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 23:39.56 | nsadmin | hi |
| 23:40.27 | nsadmin | penguin do you use dsl or cable or something else to connect to the net? |
| 23:41.09 | nsadmin | I'm trying to see what your net looks like so I need some details |
| 23:41.16 | penguin | I have a lan that the hosed computer is attached to |
| 23:41.37 | penguin | I basically just want to back it up. |
| 23:41.44 | nsadmin | ok, how does the lan connect to the internet? is there a gateway? |
| 23:42.09 | rgr | why not just plug in an eternal drive. boot from sysrescue and mount the old dri |
| 23:42.13 | rgr | ve etc? |
| 23:42.30 | rgr | eternal? wow thats a good drive ... external... |
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| 23:43.41 | edavis | Hey |
| 23:43.45 | edavis | Thanks to whoever suggested wicd |
| 23:43.47 | edavis | I forget the nick |
| 23:44.10 | nsadmin | that got your net up? |
| 23:44.28 | edavis | Well when I use it to search for networks, it doesn't find any o.o |
| 23:44.34 | edavis | But it's still installed |
| 23:45.19 | penguin | There ia a gateway |
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| 23:45.41 | penguin | I can't get this stinking thing to work. |
| 23:45.59 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a gateway and a lan, what is the internal address of the gateway? |
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| 23:46.28 | krion | penguin: what's your local time :) |
| 23:46.36 | penguin | 5 |
| 23:46.42 | krion | in the morning ? |
| 23:46.45 | edavis | So since I have wicd installed - how do I get it to search for wireless networks? |
| 23:46.50 | edavis | when I do so, it says that not are availab.e |
| 23:46.52 | penguin | y? |
| 23:47.05 | krion | me too i didn't manage to get heartbeat to work, but it's one o'clock so i'm excused |
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| 23:47.39 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a gateway and a lan, what is the internal address of the gateway, and its netmask? |
| 23:47.53 | penguin | I have all that |
| 23:48.18 | edavis | nsadmin: is that to me? |
| 23:48.24 | nsadmin | no, to penguin |
| 23:48.39 | edavis | who was the one who suggested for me to use wicd? |
| 23:48.51 | krion | nsadmin is the best :) remember how helpfull it was with my serial console access trouble |
| 23:48.57 | krion | s/it/he/ |
| 23:49.11 | nsadmin | it?! :P |
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| 23:49.51 | edavis | nsadmin: can you please scroll up and tell me? :p |
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| 23:50.32 | penguin | I can ping this debian computer from the Knoppix computer and neither computer is in the routing table |
| 23:50.43 | shingouz | edavis: i think it was rgr |
| 23:50.46 | edavis | Oh yeah |
| 23:50.56 | edavis | rgr: do you know why it can't find my network/ |
| 23:51.02 | sorressean | would someone mind pointing me in the right direction? I've got wpa supplicant installed, and I'm trying to connect to a wpa wireless network, but I"m not finding much to tell me how to do so. I need to scan for the network, then connect using my wpa key. |
| 23:51.13 | rgr | edavis: it was me. |
| 23:51.24 | edavis | Yeah, sorry |
| 23:51.42 | rgr | so much for wireless "Just working". Its still a pin for far too many people ;( |
| 23:51.50 | edavis | Ah |
| 23:51.53 | rgr | so whats up? |
| 23:51.59 | edavis | It just won't find my router :/ |
| 23:52.01 | penguin | The computers can ping each other and I am confused. |
| 23:52.04 | edavis | Even after i tried "find a hidden router" |
| 23:52.18 | rgr | forget the hidden for a start. You can go back later. |
| 23:52.23 | edavis | Ok |
| 23:52.35 | rgr | set it to an esid and see if it appears. Does anything appear when it scan? |
| 23:52.47 | Vasistha | penguin: if you want help, why don't you answer the questions that have been put to you? |
| 23:53.04 | shingouz | sorressean: i have not been working a lot with wpasupplicant but try iwconfig <interface> essid your-ssid first, then input the wpa key maybe |
| 23:53.39 | rgr | edavis: do you see any networks ?? |
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| 23:54.22 | edavis | when I refresh it says "no wireless networks found" |
| 23:54.23 | lenswipe | how do install the JVM on debian? |
| 23:54.37 | shingouz | edavis: iwlist might help there |
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| 23:55.05 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe about install java |
| 23:56.14 | edavis | shingouz: to do what? |
| 23:56.16 | edavis | rgr: none found |
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| 23:56.30 | shingouz | edavis: to see if there are networks around |
| 23:56.45 | rgr | edavis: what UI are you uing? |
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| 23:57.03 | penguin | So what easiest method to transfer files from one computer to another? |
| 23:57.14 | rgr | a pidgeon. |
| 23:57.24 | edavis | UI? |
| 23:57.28 | rgr | penguin: what computer and where? |
| 23:57.28 | Zer | gFTP isn't half bad if you have a SSH daemon |
| 23:57.38 | Zer | Nice to have one of those in any case |
| 23:57.43 | rgr | ftp sucks. just use scp. |
| 23:57.44 | penguin | two Linux computers. One standard Debian |
| 23:57.51 | shingouz | scp |
| 23:57.52 | edavis | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 23:57.55 | rgr | edavis: Uer Interface" |
| 23:57.55 | Zer | gFTP is a SSH client as well, that's why those were in the same sentence. |
| 23:57.58 | rgr | User |
| 23:58.10 | rgr | scp is easy. |
| 23:58.17 | penguin | I would just like to click on the directory and copy it to the other computer. |
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| 23:58.27 | Zer | There you go. gFTP |
| 23:58.28 | rgr | but yeah a nice gui might help ;) |
| 23:58.54 | rgr | or just use gnome and network places - shh mount. easy. |
| 23:58.57 | edavis | xserver |
| 23:58.59 | rgr | ssh |
| 23:59.05 | Zer | Oh, you can just mount SSH? |
| 23:59.08 | rgr | edavis: no. What wicd UI. |
| 23:59.23 | edavis | I'm using the wicd network manager |
| 23:59.23 | rgr | Zer: yes. sshfs manually from fstab or network place afaik. |
| 23:59.25 | edavis | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 23:59.30 | rgr | edavis: what UI for it??? |
| 23:59.32 | edavis | rgr: could that have something to do with it? ^ |
| 23:59.39 | Zer | Ahh I see, with a FUSE filesystem |
| 23:59.44 | penguin | Which computer should I mount? |
| 23:59.51 | themill | edavis: what wireless chipset is this, btw? |
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| 23:59.56 | penguin | The storage or the data computer |
