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| 00:00.13 | rgr | edavis: what UI are you using the? curses, command line, the gnome applet? what? |
| 00:00.24 | edavis | Broadcom bcm4311, themill |
| 00:00.25 | pianohacker | What is the best way to install one specific package from experimental or unstable while keeping everything else updated from stable and security? I have the necessary sources.list entry, and apt-get -t unstable install graphviz works, but I'd like the updates to stay stable |
| 00:00.38 | edavis | rgr: I'm using the gnome applet I guess |
| 00:00.45 | rgr | you guess? |
| 00:00.45 | pianohacker | (I accept full responsibility for bullet/foot interaction) |
| 00:00.54 | edavis | well I'm definitely not using the command line.. |
| 00:01.14 | rgr | the thing on the gnome panel? a guie tool you click that shows a list of networks etc? |
| 00:01.38 | themill | pianohacker: you'd be better off making a backport of the package. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:01.42 | edavis | applications -> internet -> wicd network manager |
| 00:01.45 | nsadmin | pianohacker you can't, because the libs won't be compatible and the depends will have you downloading from sid or experimental, which you say you don't want to do generally. So: you backport |
| 00:01.47 | edavis | themill: any idea how to get that running/ |
| 00:02.01 | nsadmin | or find a backport |
| 00:02.18 | rgr | ok. and what happens when you ask it to scan? (refresh) |
| 00:02.19 | themill | edavis: have you managed to connect that to a network with debian at all yet? |
| 00:02.29 | edavis | themill: nope |
| 00:02.41 | edavis | I can only connect via a wired network |
| 00:02.53 | edavis | rgr: it scans and tells me "no wireless networks found" |
| 00:03.12 | rgr | and you have an esid on your router? |
| 00:03.17 | phorce1 | so, how well does ATI video work in debian? I'm looking at getting one of these to play with ---> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186180 |
| 00:03.20 | phorce1 | I've historically used nVidia |
| 00:03.39 | pianohacker | nsadmin, themill: thanks, that's exactly what I wanted |
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| 00:03.47 | simonrvn | the slightly older ones work well, new shit needs fglrx ... |
| 00:03.49 | phorce1 | that MB has onboard ATI Radeon HD 4200 |
| 00:04.00 | edavis | rgr: yes, ssid |
| 00:04.36 | simonrvn | maybe the radeonhd driver |
| 00:04.45 | edavis | themill: I tried: `ifconfig wlan0 up` but I get: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 00:05.18 | phorce1 | I may buy it and get a low end CPU and single stick of RAM to keep it cheap then upgrade it if I like it |
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| 00:05.40 | themill | edavis: what's the pciid of that device (lspci -nn | grep -i net)? And what driver have you installed to get it to work? |
| 00:05.43 | phorce1 | I'm actually interested in the WAN card that comes with it and can't find it separately |
| 00:06.26 | rgr | edavis: did you get up the right eth device in your wicd settings? |
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| 00:07.48 | edavis | themill: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311] (rev 01) |
| 00:08.16 | edavis | I tried to intall the bcm43xx driver, but when I `modprobe bcm43xx` it says "Module not found" |
| 00:08.23 | edavis | even after I followed all the steps on the wiki |
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| 00:08.48 | themill | that's a fairly important detail... |
| 00:09.10 | edavis | then how should I go about getting the modprobe to work if it says it's not found? |
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| 00:11.48 | edavis | themill: ? |
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| 00:12.36 | rgr | oh you had no driver installed. Ok ... |
| 00:12.51 | themill | edavis: sounds like you've not actually done anything yet to install the right driver. These b43 devices are a pain in the arse though because there are 3 different drivers and which one you should use changes every few months. |
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| 00:13.25 | themill | !wl |
| 00:13.25 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 (802.11n) or BCM4322 (802.11n) chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-ID 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"). To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>, <ndiswrapper>. |
| 00:13.47 | themill | I *think*. But it could also be b43legacy... |
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| 00:14.22 | rgr | edavis: you might be better off buying another wireless adaptor. I know I would. I have an ipw2200 - old but good and supported. |
| 00:14.38 | edavis | themill: I've installed bcm43xx |
| 00:14.47 | edavis | The firmwire is installed for it and everything |
| 00:14.50 | edavis | I just can't modprobe it |
| 00:15.02 | themill | edavis: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 00:15.15 | edavis | lenny |
| 00:15.37 | nsadmin | how many things are in /lib/nodules? |
| 00:15.46 | themill | I didn't think bcm43xx existed in lenny at all |
| 00:15.59 | edavis | nsadmin: modules? 1 |
| 00:16.13 | edavis | themill: so I should do what then? |
| 00:16.21 | nsadmin | so it's named 2.siomething? |
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| 00:16.37 | edavis | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 00:16.55 | themill | edavis: For that device, I think the wl driver is the one you want. See the wiki link that dpkg provided earlier. |
| 00:17.08 | valium | hi all - does anyone know if you can unmount a device by UUID ? |
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| 00:18.24 | simonrvn | valium: did you try it? |
| 00:18.48 | edavis | themill: ok, thanks - we'll see if it works |
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| 00:19.16 | themill | good luck! |
| 00:19.17 | valium | simonrvn - i looked at the man page but there is no mention of UUID's |
| 00:19.38 | valium | i can mount by UUID easily but unmounting is another story |
| 00:21.16 | nsadmin | try umount /dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever |
| 00:21.36 | valium | nsadmin - yeah gave that a go too |
| 00:21.42 | jhutchins_lt | umount /mountpoitn |
| 00:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | mountpoint even. |
| 00:21.57 | nsadmin | and? |
| 00:22.14 | edavis | themill: the guide doesn't work |
| 00:22.18 | nsadmin | what message? |
| 00:22.21 | valium | jhutchins_it - yeah thanks that works well. |
| 00:22.31 | themill | dpkg: tell edavis about doesn't work |
| 00:22.41 | edavis | lol sorry |
| 00:22.52 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:22.53 | edavis | turtle:~# modprobe wl |
| 00:22.53 | edavis | FATAL: Module wl not found. |
| 00:23.00 | valium | jhutchins_it - but i was trying to isolate the disk as its a USB swappable drive |
| 00:23.04 | edavis | After doing all of the steps before that, themill |
| 00:23.12 | themill | all? fast work. |
| 00:23.14 | nsadmin | if your nose doesn't work, maybe it's on strike... |
| 00:23.17 | nsadmin | so picket! |
| 00:23.18 | edavis | yeah, all |
| 00:23.37 | valium | jhutchins_it - i guess mount point will have to do for now. Thanks everyone for your quick replies! Debian Rocks! |
| 00:23.44 | jhutchins_lt | valium: Something like "if uuid is mounted unmount it"? |
| 00:24.05 | edavis | So any suggestions, themill ? |
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| 00:24.51 | nsadmin | did you do a depmod -a after installing the broadcom module? |
| 00:24.58 | edavis | It never said to |
| 00:25.48 | nsadmin | if it says no such module, we're not sure what kernel it installed it for... but it appears you only have one kernel installed... |
| 00:26.33 | edavis | I did depmod -a |
| 00:26.37 | edavis | and it still can't find the module. |
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| 00:27.14 | edavis | themill: ?:/ |
| 00:27.15 | nsadmin | when you say "I installed the module", what did you do exactly? let's start with the final step |
| 00:27.28 | edavis | I followed all of the steps... |
| 00:27.29 | themill | edavis: does "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/wl.ko" exist? |
| 00:27.36 | edavis | And then I went to `modprobe wl` and it says no module |
| 00:27.55 | nsadmin | the LAST step being? |
| 00:28.08 | edavis | themill: no |
| 00:28.22 | edavis | but wl3501_cs.ko is there |
| 00:28.26 | themill | edavis: then you failed on some of the previous steps. Because that file is created when you follow them |
| 00:28.38 | edavis | What abou wl3501_cs.ko? |
| 00:28.49 | edavis | nsadmin: modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb |
| 00:28.50 | nsadmin | this is a laptop? and the card is a pcmcia card? |
| 00:28.57 | themill | close enough isn't good enough... |
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| 00:29.10 | edavis | yes laptop |
| 00:29.13 | edavis | no pcmcia |
| 00:29.15 | nsadmin | that removes those modules |
| 00:29.17 | edavis | It's a built-in card |
| 00:29.31 | edavis | yes, but I'm not installing b44, b43 or the others |
| 00:29.33 | edavis | So it doesn't matter |
| 00:29.34 | nsadmin | what's the step before that? |
| 00:29.48 | edavis | update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r) |
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| 00:30.00 | themill | edavis: can you pastebin the output of: dpkg -l 'broadcom*' |
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| 00:31.00 | edavis | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1776463 |
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| 00:32.12 | themill | edavis: there are several things wrong with that. You've not installed broadcom-sta-common (which you would have done if you'd followed the instructions) and you've also installed and then removed the kernel module (broadcom-sta-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64). |
| 00:32.59 | edavis | Well I followed the guide exactly |
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| 00:33.02 | edavis | and I didn't remove that |
| 00:33.48 | themill | apparently not quite exactly.... |
| 00:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | edavis: What, exactly, do you want us fellow users to do about it? |
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| 00:34.11 | edavis | jhutchins_lt: ....? |
| 00:34.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I make a full system backup of a fresh install, would that backup be useable for restoring my netbook back to a fresh install state too? I mean isnt a fresh install on any system basically the same identical thing? |
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| 00:34.29 | edavis | themill: well I never removed that o.o |
| 00:35.15 | edavis | themill: I see a silly mistake I made about not installing common though |
| 00:35.17 | edavis | woops |
| 00:35.37 | themill | that could easily have caused the m-a a-i step to fail |
| 00:35.45 | edavis | Yeah, my apologies |
| 00:35.56 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009 debian install will look at your system to see what drivers are needed to start up... so it won't necessarily be the same |
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| 00:36.18 | edavis | Ok themill, it's installed :) |
| 00:36.22 | edavis | Should wicd work now? |
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| 00:36.32 | edavis | Nope |
| 00:36.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: Oh ok I just wondered. Ill just make a seperate backup of each box then. Thanks. |
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| 00:36.40 | edavis | wicd still can't find any wireless network |
| 00:36.51 | fisxoj | hi! How do I find out what version of the kernel a debian package corresponds to? Does 2.6.32-6 = 2.6.32.6? |
| 00:36.54 | themill | edavis: perhaps pastebin: modprobe -r wl ; modprobe wl ; dmesg |
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| 00:37.23 | nsadmin | the -6 means the sixth debian package upload of that version |
| 00:37.29 | themill | fisxoj: no easy way (not necessarily any correspondence between them). no. |
| 00:37.37 | edavis | themill: it does too much for me to copy |
| 00:37.43 | nsadmin | fisxoj: what's your uname -r |
| 00:37.48 | edavis | it doesn't show up in scrollback |
| 00:38.03 | fisxoj | nsadmin, 2.6.32-1-686 |
| 00:38.18 | themill | edavis: dmesg|tail |
| 00:38.32 | themill | fisxoj: that's not a debian kernel |
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| 00:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinuxGuy2009, it mostly is - apart from kernel versions and X configuration (which often needs additional voodoo, like nvidia proprietary drivers)... also bear in mind, that it's not bootable when you just restored the files |
| 00:39.05 | edavis | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1776471 |
| 00:39.14 | fisxoj | themill, it's from debian repos... It just came up yesterday |
| 00:39.19 | fisxoj | I'm on sid |
| 00:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinuxGuy2009, as most other drivers are just all modules in the regular kernel, which are autodetected at bootup, it generally works quite well |
| 00:40.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | CutMeOwnThroat: Right Ok. Ill just run Clonezilla on both seperately then. Thanks. |
| 00:40.23 | themill | edavis: looks good to go, but it's now eth1 not wlan0. |
| 00:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm saying you're right, and they are pretty much identical :) |
| 00:40.50 | edavis | themill: ok, I did ifconfig eth1 up |
| 00:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, you can't run a 686er kernel on an 80486 |
| 00:41.09 | edavis | Still no networks found |
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| 00:42.26 | Amarande | Linux: just make sure you properly install grub before you try to boot |
| 00:42.33 | Amarande | otherwise, you might find yourself puzzled about why you're not booting. :) |
| 00:43.29 | nsadmin | edavis this time there was an eth1? |
| 00:44.09 | edavis | nsadmin: now it is eth1 |
| 00:44.27 | nsadmin | ifconfig -a shows eth0 and eth1? |
| 00:45.11 | edavis | yes, nsadmin |
| 00:45.12 | edavis | and lo |
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| 00:45.33 | nsadmin | hmm. ok, and of course wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 00:45.37 | edavis | No |
| 00:45.43 | edavis | Neither |
| 00:45.45 | nsadmin | no? hmm. |
| 00:45.48 | Amarande | and yeah, that modular kernel of debian is pure and absolute <3 |
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| 00:46.07 | edavis | themill: any suggestions? |
| 00:46.08 | Amarande | being able to upgrade your debian machine without having to do anything more than power off and maybe install a different video driver in some cases? HELL YEAH. |
| 00:46.29 | Amarande | Contrast trying to upgrade a Windows box, where you usually have to reinstall the entire OS. :) |
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| 00:49.19 | Amarande | okay, on a more package-specific comment ... anyone used CUPS PDF on Debian lately? and how good is it when it comes to properly embedding fonts? |
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| 00:56.14 | Amarande | wow, that's a lot of quits |
| 00:56.37 | Oji-san | not chance. They are Siamese twins - attached at the genitals |
| 00:56.43 | Oji-san | bah - wrong window |
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| 00:56.48 | nsadmin | yeah, there's been a lot of ping timeouts |
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| 00:57.13 | Amarande | anyway, anyone know if cups-pdf supports font embedding, or does it make "huge honking graphic" pages? |
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| 01:06.42 | Amarande | glaaahhhhhh *turns sickly green* |
| 01:06.44 | Amarande | "CUPS converts the PostScript input to PDF and then back to |
| 01:06.44 | Amarande | PostScript just to feed it to cups-pdf which then produces the final PDF." |
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| 01:08.52 | themill | Amarande: I've not looked carefully at what cups-pdf does, but it produces reasonable quality PDFs (not image PDFs, you can select the text). It's not going to be as good as the PDF export from a program that has it built in, however. |
| 01:09.11 | Amarande | themill: does it produce PDFs good enough for professional publication? |
| 01:09.24 | Amarande | i.e., to send to self publishing companies like lulu, etc.? |
| 01:09.46 | Amarande | apparently, I can't use OOo's PDF functionality, because OOo fails with OTF Postscript fonts |
| 01:09.49 | themill | Amarande: Surely you'd be using something that can already make PDFs for your typesetting though |
| 01:10.14 | Amarande | someone suggested CUPS PDF as an alternative |
| 01:10.36 | Amarande | since it's uncertain if even squeeze will get OOo with the OTF fixes in |
| 01:10.47 | Amarande | since it's also uncertain exactly when the OTF fixes currently percolating through OOo dev will hit release |
| 01:11.00 | Amarande | it's apparently taken them 3+ years to address the issue though |
| 01:11.16 | Amarande | (on Windows, the OTFs show fine in WYSIWYG, but don't properly export to PDF; on Linux, the OTFs don't work at all) |
| 01:11.47 | themill | Is converting the OTF to TTF feasible? |
| 01:11.48 | Amarande | apparently they didn't even consider it a significant enough issue till Fedora replaced most of its Type 1's with OTFs as standard |
| 01:11.56 | Amarande | converting OTF to TTF mangles things, particularly hinting |
| 01:12.21 | themill | quite. But OOo doesn't do very good hinting anyway so it's no great loss |
| 01:12.40 | Amarande | also, I'm a bit foggy on whether the adobe font license permits you to convert the fonts like that |
| 01:12.50 | Amarande | since the font concerned in particular, is a purchased font from adobe |
| 01:13.03 | Amarande | (*all* of which apparently ship in OTF/PS format. Ow.) |
| 01:13.34 | Amarande | I know it permits you to embed it into PDFs, but I don't know if I'm permitted to convert it format-wise |
| 01:15.07 | Amarande | I suppose I could typeset with TeX, but I'm not familiar with whether one can/how to use OTF fonts in TeX |
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| 01:17.40 | Amarande | or ... hmm |
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| 01:17.49 | Amarande | abiword offers pdf as a file format in the save dialog |
| 01:17.58 | Amarande | but beyond that, I don't know anything about what PDF version it uses, nor whether it embeds fonts |
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| 01:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's probably some latex extension... |
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| 01:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | latex and fonts are a bit of a sore point, they use those ... cms (?) fonts by default |
| 01:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | with some horrible consequences I don't want to remember right now |
| 01:25.19 | Amarande | yeah, I'm totally foggy on how you make latex recognize other fonts |
| 01:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | never even heard of OTF... you could write a factoid on that |
| 01:25.39 | Amarande | OpenType Format |
| 01:25.46 | Amarande | the successor to both Postscript and TrueType, pretty much |
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| 01:26.03 | Amarande | although really OTF fonts use either Postscript or TrueType style outlines anyway |
| 01:26.14 | Amarande | but basically *everything* that's actually still maintained comes in OTF now |
| 01:26.27 | Amarande | which means OOo is going to be in deep trouble soon probably :| |
| 01:26.36 | Amarande | Fedora's led the way, and I'm sure Debian and others will follow soon enough |
| 01:26.37 | Amarande | basically: |
| 01:26.47 | Amarande | 1) any font that's *not* in OTF these days pretty much means it's not maintained anymore |
| 01:27.11 | Amarande | 2) this in turn means, yeah, eventually non-OTF fonts are all going to phase out of use as distros stop including them because "package isn't maintained upstream anymore" |
| 01:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, "apt-cache show fundu"? if it can convert back&forth, it should also be able to do otf->ttf |
| 01:27.32 | Amarande | 3) OOo itself will be in major danger of being banished from distros for failing to support reasonable fonts :) |
| 01:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also otf2bdf |
| 01:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not likely |
| 01:27.56 | Amarande | W: Unable to locate package fundu |
| 01:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I fondu! |
| 01:28.16 | Amarande | hell, apparently OOo is only even getting off their butts about the issue because Fedora's been prodding them with a hot poker |
| 01:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's likely more like with SVG... SVG exists for... how many years are it now? |
| 01:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | And support is still choppy |
| 01:28.51 | Amarande | yeah, I used to have to use Amaya to look at SVGs |
| 01:29.07 | Amarande | (speaking of which, why is amaya not in lenny :() |
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| 01:29.14 | Amarande | dpkg, why is amaya not in lenny |
| 01:29.14 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Amarande |
| 01:29.30 | Amarande | what was the format to ask that again? |
| 01:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions amaya |
| 01:29.36 | judd | amaya -- |
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| 01:29.55 | Amarande | I know there was a "why is (foo) not in (dist)" factoid but I can't remember it now |
| 01:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, think I made that package myself :) |
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| 01:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's !why is package not in testing |
| 01:30.21 | Amarande | !why is amaya not in testing |
| 01:30.22 | dpkg | amaya is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=amaya |
| 01:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need to do that, it was never there |
| 01:31.02 | RedTide | afaik amaya can be downloaded in .deb package too |
| 01:31.44 | Amarande | "RoQA; security issues" |
| 01:31.49 | Amarande | dpkg, RoQA? |
| 01:31.50 | dpkg | from memory, roqa is Requested by the <QA> team |
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| 01:32.49 | Amarande | you know, I really hate when they describe things as "security issues" and don't go into detail on *why* the package wasn't secure |
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| 01:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the bugreports that kicked it |
| 01:33.27 | RedTide | talking about html apps: is there some ide with page preview for php like dreamweaver? |
| 01:33.28 | Amarande | or did full disclosure get abandoned hastily years ago after things like USA PATRIOT came out :| |
| 01:34.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | RedTide, yes |
| 01:34.42 | RedTide | which one(s)? |
| 01:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | bluefish |
| 01:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I remember |
| 01:35.01 | mjmt | RedTide: Eclipse does at least HTML (not sure about PHP specifically). |
| 01:35.16 | RedTide | tnx |
| 01:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, php... not sure |
| 01:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was back in pre-php days.. it might, though, worth a try |
| 01:35.34 | Tux^verdreifelt | eclipse for html and php |
| 01:35.35 | Tux^verdreifelt | wtf |
| 01:35.39 | Amarande | Cut: I don't seem to see anything in the bugreport that kicked it |
| 01:35.43 | RedTide | another question: I have problems with audio with adobe plugin in testing/squeeze, any advise? |
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| 01:35.48 | Amarande | it looks like a generic boilerplate QA team request auto-delete |
| 01:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Amarande -about nicktab |
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| 01:37.15 | mjmt | RedTide, Tux^verdreifelt: http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/ |
| 01:37.21 | RedTide | adobe flash sorry |
| 01:37.47 | mjmt | Interesting, it's developed by Zend themselves. |
| 01:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, I don't find bug reports |
| 01:37.57 | RedTide | tnx mjmt |
| 01:38.25 | Tux^verdreifelt | mjmt: html and php are not things i would even consider to open in eclipse. break a butterfly on a wheel or what it is called.. |
| 01:38.30 | Tux^verdreifelt | :s |
| 01:38.52 | Tux^verdreifelt | only veeeeery large php projects with dozens of subfolders, maybe ;) |
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| 01:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522418 follow links |
| 01:40.33 | MJBrune | b/wc |
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| 01:42.18 | Amarande | CutMeOwnThroat, that makes me scratch my head a bit |
| 01:42.19 | Amarande | mainly because, well |
| 01:42.25 | Amarande | yeah, I know Amaya CAN be used as a web browser |
| 01:42.28 | mjmt | Tux^verdreifelt: I imagine it just helps with editing and uploading... though considering I've yet to find an editor that groks both tags and embedded scripting at the same time, that's not insignificant. |
| 01:42.38 | Amarande | but how many people ever actually used it as such, it's mainly used to *edit and develop* webpages :S |
| 01:45.16 | Zer | Does anyone know of a tool that would allow two processes to connect over, say, a SSH connection, and then redirect their input/output so they talk to eachother? |
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| 01:45.29 | Zer | Something like | but for stdin as well, perhaps? |
| 01:45.32 | Amarande | I can't believe they used sprintf() like that though :headdesk |
| 01:46.31 | nsadmin | | is for stdin |
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| 01:46.52 | nsadmin | takes stdout of process to left and connects to stdin of process to right |
| 01:46.53 | Zer | But it's stdout of the left to stdin of the right. I need something that would also perhaps do the inverse |
| 01:47.09 | Zer | Well, not need, but it'd simplify things a lot if such a program existed |
| 01:47.27 | nsadmin | so you want to establish your own plumbing |
| 01:47.37 | Zer | There's no tool for piping both ways? |
| 01:47.44 | nsadmin | the shell may or may not be able to do that |
| 01:48.22 | nsadmin | of course there are tools, and they're in programming and scripting languages |
| 01:48.54 | mjmt | Zer, you can't do that in a shell, but you could in a programming language that has popen() or equivalent, or "expect". |
| 01:49.22 | mjmt | Dunno how you'd answer the password prompt. |
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| 01:50.02 | nsadmin | you'd establish the pipes beforehand and connect the processes to them once they;re established |
| 01:50.13 | nsadmin | maybe named pipes |
| 01:50.42 | Zer | Yeah, the password prompt might be a problem. I'll look and see if there's anything SSHy related to popen, then |
| 01:50.52 | Zer | I wonder if it can already do that |
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| 01:59.18 | nsadmin | Zer MOST LIKELY, you will have to look into creating your own plumbing; the shell probably does not do a both-ways pipe |
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| 02:04.31 | SeanieB | Hello! |
| 02:04.39 | cheako | hi |
| 02:04.45 | SeanieB | Anyone here using the IA-64 port and can tell me if it works well? |
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| 02:07.36 | nsadmin | ia-64 is itanium |
| 02:07.49 | nsadmin | NOT core2duo or amd64 |
| 02:08.37 | macrobat | Zer: i guess you want sockets |
| 02:08.46 | Amarande | bah, intel |
| 02:09.00 | Amarande | I guess it's one thing if you're stuck with an intel box due to circumstances beyond your control |
| 02:09.03 | SeanieB | uhm |
| 02:09.05 | SeanieB | I know that |
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| 02:09.05 | SeanieB | lol |
| 02:09.10 | SeanieB | I am |
| 02:09.13 | Amarande | but ... ehh. intel cpus seem way overpriced lately |
| 02:09.23 | SeanieB | I have an IA-64 box I would like to put to use |
| 02:09.24 | Amarande | especially given that linux usually needs less power for desktop use than windows |
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| 02:09.54 | nsadmin | ok, it -should- work... care to just try it and see? there's nothign the machine is doing or storing that's important? |
| 02:10.52 | macrobat | Zer: maybe socat |
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| 02:13.41 | neonDragon | I'm trying to find the source for linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64. I've tried apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64, but this just gives me the debian kernel source without xen patches. Does anyone know where I can find linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 source? |
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| 02:15.06 | Special | would it be safe to install libssl0.9.8 from testing (0.9.8k-8) when packages are using the stable version (0.9.8g-15+lenny6)? |
| 02:15.12 | sepult | neonDragon: http://ftp.debian.org or http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports or so |
| 02:15.30 | sepult | or http://security.debian.org/ lenny |
| 02:15.49 | neonDragon | sepult: Okay, I'll have a look, thanks |
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| 02:15.51 | sepult | or http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile |
| 02:15.56 | neonDragon | :) |
| 02:16.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I wanted to keep a list of installed packages on a fresh installation, can I just do "dpkg --get-packages > Packages.txt" on just one machine, but have it still be useable across both of my machines? |
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| 02:16.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | In other words does debian install the exact same list of packages on a fresh install on every machine? |
| 02:17.40 | sepult | more ore less yes, but it depends on the kind of debootstrapping |
| 02:17.54 | nsadmin | the base should be the same, but after that it's usually the package sets selected by tasksel |
| 02:18.08 | sepult | if the debootstrapping gets any depends, extra depends it will pull in extra packages |
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| 02:18.25 | cjones | yes and no ie x86 to x86 yes x86 to ppc no |
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| 02:18.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so Ill just do this on each machine separately then. Thanks. |
| 02:18.56 | sepult | is there a way to get the packages by tags ? |
| 02:19.01 | sepult | like essential ones ? |
| 02:19.14 | sepult | those which are just for the base system ? |
| 02:19.52 | Amarande | sepult: don't worry *too* much about it, as long as you have enough installed that you can boot, log on, get on the net, and run apt-get, you're ok |
| 02:20.14 | Amarande | if you're missing something major, it'll surely get pulled the first time you install much of anything as a depend |
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| 02:20.40 | Amarande | actually, that could be a useful exercise to post somewhere, maybe on the debian wiki |
| 02:20.53 | Amarande | 1) the exact minimum packages needed to be able to boot and reach apt-get |
| 02:20.59 | sepult | yep |
| 02:21.01 | sepult | i think so |
| 02:21.23 | LostPlanet | i am having trouble again with aptitude saying all my packages are from unknown repository. i think it is something with apt-key |
| 02:21.27 | Amarande | 2) perhaps a list of a small number of packages that most people will tear their hair out and which *won't* get installed automatically as dependencies when installing typical software |
| 02:21.39 | Amarande | er, s/tear their hair out/tear their hair out without/ |
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| 02:22.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a way to clear out the ALT+F2 command history? |
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| 02:26.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | why does "history -c" only work until I close the terminal and open it again and all history is still there? |
| 02:27.01 | Corndawg | quick ? for someone who knows virt interfaces well... if I have: |
| 02:27.05 | Corndawg | eth1 = 1.2.3.253 |
| 02:27.09 | Corndawg | eth1:1 = 1.2.3.254 |
| 02:27.25 | Corndawg | and I ssh to the virtual with dyn tunnel on port 8080 |
| 02:27.47 | Corndawg | why then when I use firefox+foxyproxy on the tunnel |
| 02:28.00 | Corndawg | the ipchicken.com do I see the IP for the real and not the virtual |
| 02:28.10 | Corndawg | ? |
| 02:28.43 | Corndawg | so I connect to .254 but ipchicken reports 1.2.3.253 as my IP |
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| 02:29.39 | Corndawg | anyone know? |
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| 02:30.44 | neonDragon | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 02:33.02 | icebrain | has anyone been experiencing the 400 - Bad Request errors while submitting forms in Iceweasel? |
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| 02:34.08 | Zer | Corndawg if they are on the same PC, then there's no reason because you connect to a server on that IP, that all connections from the server listening on that IP have to come from it |
| 02:34.21 | Zer | bind() takes an IP, IIRC connect() doesn't take a source IP so... |
| 02:34.47 | dbuduru | I have two network interfaces up on my machine - aircard connected via ppp and the other is my wireless network. I can access the internet only using my aircard. All my other devices are connected via the wireless router and I want to run a proxy server on my debian machine so the other devices can access the internet.. |
| 02:35.10 | dbuduru | I was wondering if someone can help me with the setup.. |
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| 02:40.53 | hardbop200 | hey all - got a new laptop coming! it's intel 64 bit...long story short, is 64 bit debian worth it? i.e., is it 100% as functional as 32 bit? (packages, compiling programs, etc.) |
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| 02:42.05 | Zer | Well I use 64 bit Ubuntu not Debian, but I imagine it's similar -- one difference is that there's no Java plugin for 64 bit Firefox. Otherwise (for compiling things, general programs) it's the same |
| 02:42.22 | Zer | Programs use more RAM because the code is less dense, as well as pointers being twice the size of course |
| 02:42.43 | dondelelcaro | Zer: there is a java plugin for 64 bit iceweasel... |
| 02:42.48 | Amarande | Zer: there's sun java for 64 bit |
| 02:43.10 | hardbop200 | Zer: cool. I don't really use java, but flash is a biggie (love that youtube!). any problems there? |
| 02:43.14 | Amarande | hates to recommend non-free sometimes, but openjdk-6 just isn't really that great yet :| |
| 02:43.33 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: flash is pretty much the only issue, but youtube works fine with gnash |
| 02:43.37 | Amarande | at least, it choked on Pogo games, which is something one of my users uses frequently |
| 02:44.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dbuduru, try to do it, ask concrete questions when you're stuck... |
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| 02:44.40 | neonDragon | when I first tried using eclipse on Ubuntu, I went straight back to Windows because it was so amazingly slow... at a later date I found just installing Sun's JDK on Ubuntu made it work perfectly fast |
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| 02:45.01 | Zer | Hmm, I don't see Iceweasel in the Ubuntu repos... is it a Debian version of Firefox? |
| 02:45.11 | Zer | (Sun Java exists, yes, I meant a Firefox plugin for it) |
| 02:45.27 | Zer | hardbop200: Flash works fine. Slow as hell, but Flash on Linux always has been for me. Dont' know why |
| 02:45.28 | hardbop200 | dondelelcaro: cool about gnash, last time I tried it (a long time ago) it didn't work, but it appears things have changed |
| 02:45.46 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: youtube is one of the sites that they try to keep working; it's constantly getting better |
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| 02:46.16 | hardbop200 | dondelelcaro: I'm a musician, so I end up learning a lot of stuff from youtube. great to hear it works. |
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| 02:46.32 | Neo|Desktop | hey everyone |
| 02:46.36 | Zer | On the server side of things I can't think of anything you give up by using 64 bit |
| 02:46.36 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: you can also use youtube-dl, which is what I do personally |
| 02:46.40 | epochwolf | What do I do when debian doesn't show my sound card in lspci? |
| 02:46.49 | dondelelcaro | epochwolf: what kind of sound card is it? |
| 02:46.51 | p0g0__ | The latest flash doesn't work on my 64Bit sid, but it worked fine until recent changes on some sites. |
| 02:46.59 | epochwolf | dondelelcaro: not sure. |
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| 02:47.07 | Neo|Desktop | i have an installer issue, i need the mmc_pci kernel module inorder to install debian onto my sdcard, but i can't seem to get it to work |
| 02:47.11 | Zer | Oh, Hulu doesn't work. Probably DRM. But no big loss |
| 02:47.15 | epochwolf | This system had OS/2 on it. 1990-era IBM Terminal |
| 02:47.24 | Zer | It might not be PCI then? :) |
| 02:47.28 | hardbop200 | Zer: yea, no big loss on hulu :) |
| 02:47.29 | p0g0__ | yeah, not PCI |
| 02:47.31 | dondelelcaro | epochwolf: uh... odds are it's not even PCI. It's probably ISA. |
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| 02:47.42 | epochwolf | okay, how do I handle that? |
| 02:47.57 | Zer | See if they have a driver for Sound Blaster or Sound Blaster Pro or 16 |
| 02:48.02 | Zer | Pretty much everything back then was compatible with those |
| 02:48.07 | hardbop200 | epochwolf: wow, does alsa even support isa anymore? |
| 02:48.08 | p0g0__ | tin cans & string....that's old tech... |
| 02:48.12 | dondelelcaro | epochwolf: find out what kind of card it was, and then load the right module |
| 02:48.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it used to |
| 02:48.20 | epochwolf | no idea, I usually work on servers :) |
| 02:48.31 | epochwolf | they just need ssh and an internet connection |
| 02:48.32 | dondelelcaro | epochwolf: but honestly, it's usually not worth the bother |
| 02:48.44 | dondelelcaro | epochwolf: there aren't any ISA sound cards that were worth anything |
| 02:49.14 | Zer | epochwolf: The Google turns up http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Alsa-sound-5.html |
| 02:49.14 | dondelelcaro | (you should be able to find a PCI es1371 card for $2 or less) |
| 02:49.26 | Zer | God only knows if that still works |
| 02:49.31 | epochwolf | well, I'll just fire up my windows machine and use remote desktop to run iTunes. |
| 02:49.45 | dondelelcaro | best of luck |
| 02:49.51 | Zer | epochwolf: Do you know what kind of card it actually is? |
| 02:50.21 | Zer | Aha. http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-sb16 |
| 02:50.24 | epochwolf | nope, I'll just redo my sound wiring. |
| 02:50.39 | Zer | If you're so lucky to get a SB16-compatible card, there you go, apparently.. |
| 02:51.31 | hardbop200 | one final question about 64bit stuff: are kernels arch-specific? |
| 02:51.35 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: wasn't the old non-PnP ISA SB16 one of the best sound cards ever made? |
| 02:51.53 | Amarande | I had one of those and it was AWESOME |
| 02:52.03 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: nope... |
| 02:52.06 | Zer | No, it really wasn't that great |
| 02:52.09 | epochwolf | any sound card that doesn't autodetect isn't awesome |
| 02:52.13 | Zer | but, better than the alternatives at the time |
| 02:52.16 | hardbop200 | I usually dig up a prebuilt deb for realtime stuff, but I've never stopped to think if arch mattered much... |
| 02:52.18 | Zer | epochwolf: Did any ISA cards autodetect? |
| 02:52.32 | Amarande | worked with damn near anything, and because it was the non-PnP version saved my bum a few times with games that would otherwise require uncomfortably tight CONFIG.SYS management |
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| 02:52.35 | Amarande | heh, remember the days |
| 02:52.44 | epochwolf | Zer: ISA wasn't Plug and play |
| 02:52.45 | Amarande | when gaming required you to tweak CONFIG.SYS every time you wanted to play a different game :) |
| 02:52.51 | Amarande | epochwolf, there were ISA PnP devices |
| 02:53.06 | epochwolf | really? I didn't have any hardware that supported it. |
| 02:53.09 | Amarande | in particular, SB16 went PnP even on its ISA offerings soon after I got my card |
| 02:53.18 | Amarande | which really, really sucked |
| 02:53.18 | hardbop200 | man, I just plug in my usb sound and go. things have gotten really easy :) |
| 02:53.35 | Amarande | because, in particular, the PnP version required a driver be loaded to be accessible, as opposed to the regular one which pretty much just needed games to know a BLASTER variable |
| 02:53.36 | p0g0__ | you young whippersnappers! |
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| 02:53.43 | hardbop200 | p0g0__: :) |
| 02:53.48 | Amarande | and games those days had really tight conventional memory requirements |
| 02:54.03 | dondelelcaro | isa actually can be plug and play... or pray, usually |
| 02:54.09 | Amarande | the worst of course being Ultima VII, which required like 590k or so conventional be free, and NO EMM386 so no UMBs to help you either |
| 02:54.36 | p0g0__ | pray mostly, hope that no-one was competing for your irq or memory port |
| 02:54.43 | Zer | To be fair, most Sound Blasters used the same IRQ and whatnot, so at least you could guess |
| 02:54.49 | epochwolf | does the ubuntu package for dropbox.com work on lenny? |
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| 02:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should we know that? |
| 02:55.44 | DogBoy | heh |
| 02:55.48 | DogBoy | who cares |
| 02:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you suggesting we try it for you, so we break our system instead of yours? |
| 02:56.13 | epochwolf | no, I was wondering if anyone tried |
| 02:56.20 | Amarande | Zer: apparently the PnP ones didn't initialize their IRQ until told to by a driver :| |
| 02:56.36 | epochwolf | If no one has then I'll just d/l the source |
| 02:56.41 | Amarande | and the built-in drivers in games didn't remember to do it |
| 02:56.44 | DogBoy | if somebody did it's unlikely they would admit it in here epochwolf |
| 02:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:56.53 | Amarande | so you actually had to load the Creative drivers and be screwed on your conventional memory |
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| 02:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zer, seems hulu now requires flash 10... |
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| 03:00.41 | Zer | epochwolf I'm pretty sure the two are mostly compatible.. |
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| 03:01.34 | epochwolf | Zer: I'm just using my windows machine to play music. |
| 03:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 03:02.33 | epochwolf | there is something ironic using my windows machine to play music from the machine I'm on. |
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| 03:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you were the guy with the isa soundcard, forgot |
| 03:02.54 | epochwolf | yup |
| 03:03.17 | epochwolf | I've got dozens of windows licenses from school might as well use them. |
| 03:03.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zer, guess hulu would work if you'd bother and install flashplugin-nonfree from backports |
| 03:03.49 | epochwolf | is flash on linux still 32 bit? |
| 03:04.06 | Zer | Cut: Well, I don't watch it much anyway. Just wanted to one time |
| 03:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tel Zer -about nicktab |
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| 03:05.21 | p0g0__ | No, my 64 bit flash won't play nice with hulu right now, as of a couple of weeks back. |
| 03:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 03:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Zer -about nicktab |
| 03:06.03 | epochwolf | Zer: you can use <tab> to complete nicks. |
| 03:06.07 | epochwolf | :p |
| 03:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | pfffffffft |
| 03:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zer, did I tell you about that great autocomplete feature with tab? |
| 03:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | there |
| 03:07.39 | nsadmin | irc nick completion doesn't work right |
| 03:07.47 | nsadmin | should work like the shell |
| 03:09.48 | Zer | Ah, interesting. |
| 03:09.55 | Zer | Well, useful, anyway. Interesting is probably too strong :) |
| 03:10.32 | epochwolf | sometimes it bugs me that I need to install 70+ mb of packages to get something to compile. |
| 03:10.55 | Zer | It beats manually compiling every one of those packages as well, at least :) |
| 03:10.58 | Amarande | epochwolf, take heart, that's nothing compared to the time something that needs that many libraries probably takes to compile? :) |
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| 03:11.27 | nsadmin | epochwolf incl the compiler itself? |
| 03:11.31 | epochwolf | nope |
| 03:11.44 | epochwolf | I install gcc and tools on all my machines. |
| 03:13.17 | LostPlanet | a |
| 03:14.01 | LostPlanet | anyone answer my question from earlier ? i was away...having problems with aptitude saying all my packages are from an untrusted source |
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| 03:16.04 | epochwolf | I think you need to install the keyring |
| 03:16.12 | k\t | has anyone had a problem with awesome-wm and awful.screen.focus_relative(1), which is focus from screen to screen using the assigned bind key? |
| 03:16.29 | k\t | a problem being that awesome will completely freeze out... |
| 03:16.41 | LostPlanet | how do i install this keyring ? |
| 03:17.30 | epochwolf | apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 03:17.38 | k\t | directions are usually on the site from where the mirrors originate from, if not, some can be found through apt-get. |
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| 03:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | LostPlanet, which repository |
| 03:19.10 | epochwolf | Amarande: the configure script took longer than the compile. |
| 03:19.41 | LostPlanet | lenny main |
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| 03:22.10 | LostPlanet | okay , so i try apt-get install debian-keyring, but another problem .... my computer can't resolve ftp.us.debian.org for some reason |
| 03:22.13 | LostPlanet | argh! |
| 03:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, what epochwolf said :) |
| 03:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, fix your dns |
| 03:23.14 | LostPlanet | okay, so how do i do that ? i can't tell what is wrong |
| 03:23.17 | LostPlanet | dns seems to work for other names |
| 03:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you using dhcp, btw.? |
| 03:23.48 | LostPlanet | yes, i think so |
| 03:23.50 | LostPlanet | should be |
| 03:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could temporarily add another dns server like opendns |
| 03:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you use dhcp, it'll be overwritten shortly anyway |
| 03:24.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !opendns |
| 03:24.11 | dpkg | well, opendns is a service allowing faster and more secure DNS resolution. Uses the nameservers 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220. http://www.opendns.com/ #opendns on irc.oftc.net. |
| 03:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | just add "nameserver 208.67.222.222" on top and see if it resolves for now |
| 03:24.39 | epochwolf | doesn't opendns hijack missed retrievals? |
| 03:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:24.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but they're quite reliable |
| 03:25.11 | epochwolf | I'm using level3 4.2.2.1 - 4.2.2.6 |
| 03:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what do you prefer, an opendns page when you enter a url that doesn't exist, or no working dns at all? |
| 03:25.23 | LostPlanet | anything just to get ftp.us.debian.org to work |
| 03:25.37 | epochwolf | CutMeOwnThroat: opendns breaks nslookup |
| 03:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that are root servers? |
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| 03:26.09 | mgriffin | what is that thing that is like selinux contexts that you have to remember in addition to file permissions? |
| 03:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 03:26.39 | nooper | labeling? |
| 03:26.43 | mgriffin | perhaps went crazy |
| 03:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ext[2-4] attributes? |
| 03:27.02 | mgriffin | not exactly, i think it is enforced elsewhere |
| 03:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this double-jeopardy again? |
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| 03:27.11 | mgriffin | sorry, guess i made it up |
| 03:27.22 | Ahmuck | inverse.ca/debain no good ? |
| 03:27.25 | LostPlanet | where do i add those dns lines ? |
| 03:27.41 | mgriffin | CutMeOwnThroat: apparmor sorry. |
| 03:27.49 | mgriffin | perhaps it is now clear that i know little about apparmor |
| 03:27.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | LostPlanet, I already said it? |
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| 03:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | LostPlanet, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:28.23 | Zer | Make it the first line if your DNS is giving you trouble, I don't think it round robins |
| 03:28.37 | LostPlanet | thanks |
| 03:28.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | mgriffin, hm, never heard of it... you could write a factoid about it... then I'd read it and be smarter :) |
| 03:28.59 | mgriffin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparmor |
| 03:29.11 | Zer | Ah, AppArmor. Wonderful stuff |
| 03:29.15 | mgriffin | AppArmor is offered in part as an alternative to SELinux, which critics consider difficult for administrators to set up and maintain.[1] Unlike SELinux, which is based on applying labels to files, AppArmor works with file paths |
| 03:29.46 | Zer | Main benefit is you could distribute your profile with your program |
| 03:29.53 | Zer | without a lot of work, just dropping a file in and having it parse |
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| 03:30.22 | mgriffin | thanks #debian |
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| 03:31.03 | nooper | sarcasm :( |
| 03:31.09 | Zer | What was his question exactly? |
| 03:31.48 | Ahmuck | inverse.ca/debain no good ? |
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| 03:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg AppArmor is a file-system neutral alternative to SELinux maintained by Novell, which works with file paths instead of applying file labels. Currently not in Debian, see bug #440680 |
| 03:35.54 | dpkg | okay, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 03:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyone feels like adding something? |
| 03:37.16 | Amarande | meh, isn't the default linux file security model just fine? :) |
| 03:37.21 | Zer | No |
| 03:37.25 | Zer | AppArmor is really great |
| 03:37.27 | Zer | :) |
| 03:37.39 | Amarande | "It works the way the Wang did, what's the problem?" -- think this came from the BOFH excuse list |
| 03:38.21 | LostPlanet | okay thanks for the nameservers |
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| 03:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, dhcp will overwrite resolv.conf whenever it next runs |
| 03:39.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but hopefully the problem with your nameserver will be gone by that time |
| 03:39.30 | jiohdi | evening... I am trying to use totem to watch youtube vids... get error: ffdemux_swf: Element doesn't implement handling of this stream. please file a bug |
| 03:39.34 | Amarande | wow, you know I never knew before that when you use google when using opendns |
| 03:39.38 | Amarande | you're really not 100% using google? |
| 03:39.54 | jiohdi | help? |
| 03:39.56 | Amarande | www.google.comcanonical name = google.navigation.opendns.com. |
| 03:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that can't be right |
| 03:41.07 | Amarande | hmm, does totem support flash natively, or does it require an additional library? youtube vids are flash |
| 03:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | b |
| 03:41.34 | jiohdi | Amarande: there are abunch of gstreamers that it requires, all of them seem up to date |
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| 03:46.27 | Amarande | mmmkay, abiword definitely does not work well with pdf export and OTF fonts. |
| 03:46.49 | Amarande | Source text, in ITC Souvenir, various styles: "This is a test of the ability of AbiWord to work with PDF export & OTF fonts." |
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| 03:47.13 | Amarande | PDF: "6 J KUKUC VGUVQHVJG CDK" etc. ... o.0 |
| 03:47.23 | Amarande | and in Times-Roman. heh |
| 03:47.37 | Amarande | I think this solution can be filed under fail :| |
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| 04:02.36 | nvahalik | I need some help here... :-( |
| 04:03.06 | nvahalik | So I booted from grml on this box and I tried to reinstall libc6 |
| 04:03.12 | nvahalik | but it still segfaults on RM |
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| 04:11.16 | Zer | nvahalik: gdb or strace maybe ? |
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| 04:12.50 | sepult | fucking whiptail |
| 04:12.53 | sepult | i tell ya |
| 04:13.03 | sepult | it's just broken |
| 04:13.10 | sepult | i linked to dialog now |
| 04:13.13 | sepult | heh |
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| 04:22.07 | nvahalik | I am trying it again now |
| 04:22.15 | nvahalik | Apparently the grml I was using was 64bit |
| 04:22.23 | nvahalik | So now I've booted a 32bit live-cd |
| 04:22.57 | nvahalik | And done a dpkg --root /borked -i <libc6... > |
| 04:23.07 | nvahalik | But it's just kinda sitting here |
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| 04:25.19 | Amarande | looks at the install log |
| 04:25.30 | Amarande | boggles at some of these "This may take some time..." remarks |
| 04:25.47 | Amarande | mainly in the "just how wimpy would a PC need to be for it to take "some time"" sense :) |
| 04:26.54 | nvahalik | I don't care if it takes a long time |
| 04:27.08 | nvahalik | I really just don't want to have it sit here for 30 minutes and then massively fail |
| 04:27.26 | nvahalik | If I'm going to have to rebuild the whole damn box I might as well start as soon as possible |
| 04:28.13 | Amarande | remembers the days of stuff taking 10+ hours to compile |
| 04:28.21 | Amarande | so ... "some time" is probably a different metric for me than for newer users |
| 04:28.34 | nvahalik | Is there a log where I can watch dpkg work? |
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| 04:31.17 | Amarande | nvahalik, when you run apt-get it generally shows dpkg working in the terminal in which you do so |
| 04:31.40 | nvahalik | I'm not running apt-get ... I'm running dpkg |
| 04:32.18 | nvahalik | It just says "Preparing to replace lib6 2.7-18lenny2 (using libc6_2.7-18lenny2_i386.deb) ..." |
| 04:32.26 | nvahalik | And has been sitting there for about 5 minutes |
| 04:33.13 | nvahalik | I just can't imagine that it should take this long to replace libc6 |
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| 04:33.41 | sepult | press enter |
| 04:33.52 | sepult | if it is hung, you won't see any progress |
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| 04:34.19 | sepult | if it still won't react, press Ctrl-c to kill it |
| 04:34.34 | sepult | if it does not react again, go to another terminal and killall dpkg |
| 04:34.42 | sepult | if again not then killall -9 dpkg |
| 04:34.53 | sepult | then repeat the install step |
| 04:35.17 | sepult | maybe using with some additional options to dpkg |
| 04:35.24 | sepult | -with |
| 04:36.21 | nvahalik | When I hit enter... it just skips lines |
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| 04:36.44 | tuco_ | hey there, is there a reason debian is still on python2.5? |
| 04:36.58 | nvahalik | When I hit cntrl-c it says there were errors running the pre-installation script |
| 04:37.05 | nvahalik | and then dumps me at a prompt |
| 04:37.07 | sepult | then it's doing it's job, but maybe hung in a loop, wait more, if it seems to be really long taking, you can just |
| 04:37.08 | sepult | abort it and then try again |
| 04:37.41 | sepult | nvahalik: then at the prompt do a dpkg --force-all --configure -a --pending |
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| 04:38.36 | nvahalik | ... okay |
| 04:38.39 | nvahalik | it did that |
| 04:38.43 | nvahalik | (no output) |
| 04:38.55 | sepult | retry installing it again |
| 04:39.21 | sepult | maybe with the --force-all option, but first without |
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| 04:40.04 | nvahalik | k |
| 04:40.06 | nvahalik | restarted command |
| 04:40.08 | nvahalik | just sitting there |
| 04:42.25 | sepult | it hangs ? |
| 04:42.27 | sepult | oh oh |
| 04:42.28 | nvahalik | yep |
| 04:42.33 | sepult | that's not a good sign |
| 04:42.41 | nvahalik | yeah :-\ |
| 04:42.58 | nvahalik | This is the only debian machine I've ever built that has had problems |
| 04:43.20 | sepult | normally it's not recommended using dpkg raw |
| 04:43.23 | sepult | i mean |
| 04:43.29 | sepult | apt-get maybe better for the job |
| 04:43.47 | sepult | and if you got to pass some options to dpkg you can do it with apt-get too |
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| 04:44.01 | sepult | did you try it with apt-get ? |
| 04:44.50 | sepult | there are some packages which have problems when they are unpacked with dpkg or so |
| 04:45.34 | sepult | i would just delete the /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6* bla thing in your case |
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| 04:45.52 | sepult | normally the pre post scripts are there |
| 04:46.20 | nvahalik | i can try it with apt-get |
| 04:47.06 | sepult | yep try first apt-get if the problem remains just delete the pre post scripts and try it with apt-get again |
| 04:47.09 | nvahalik | GAHHH |
| 04:47.18 | nvahalik | I freaking HATE Vcenter over RDP |
| 04:47.29 | sepult | if it hangs again, the problem is somewhere else i think |
| 04:48.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just downloaded the official wireless driver from Broadcom for my Dell Mini and put it on my flashdrive and transfered it over. Installed "build-essential" and tried to "make". Woudn't build. So I figured it probablyy needed "linux-headers" patching the installed kernel, so I put it on too. Then it built correctly. Now the directions call for "insmod wl.ko". "wl.ko" being the kernel module file that it generated. But the command fails |
| 04:49.06 | sepult | insmod ? |
| 04:49.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | matching the installed kernel* |
| 04:49.15 | sepult | which kernel are you running ? |
| 04:49.18 | sepult | why not modprobe ? |
| 04:49.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | will modprobe install the module to my system? |
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| 04:49.44 | sepult | just modprobe wl |
| 04:49.45 | smacnay | what is the apt command to determine which apps depend on a package? |
| 04:49.48 | sepult | without the .ko part |
| 04:49.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok Ill try that. |
| 04:50.21 | sepult | apt-cache depends |
| 04:50.25 | sepult | that is the command |
| 04:50.37 | nvahalik | sepult: how do I get apt-get to install it to the other partition? |
| 04:50.38 | sepult | and apt-rdepends or so |
| 04:50.59 | sepult | haha |
| 04:51.03 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 04:51.12 | sepult | apt-get does install it under /var |
| 04:51.16 | sepult | for packages /var/cache |
| 04:51.21 | sepult | and for libs /var/lib |
| 04:51.22 | aoeu | how do i list the files that are in a debian package? |
| 04:52.35 | sepult | and the info where something really goes is first in the package itself, then there are debian specific scripts |
| 04:52.35 | sepult | which may intervene, and last /var as the system specific things go in there |
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| 04:53.31 | sepult | you'r only option is to symblink some dirs in /var to some other partition if you want to |
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| 04:54.01 | sepult | or edit the source package of the package and make things happen |
| 04:54.20 | sepult | but that's alot of work and not recommended |
| 04:54.35 | sepult | if you are not a developer i think, you won't need it either |
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| 04:55.15 | Amarande | always make sure /var is a partition with plenty of space |
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| 04:55.34 | sepult | if you are sure what is in the package itself, you can move or copy the corresp. files around after the package is installed |
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| 04:56.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | I tried to make a new build folder for the wifi driver and tried to build it again in case something failed. I must have missed the build error. It says it missing the module license. What does that mean? |
| 04:56.35 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/d4342b3cb for instance, is a well-partitioned drive. :) |
| 04:57.20 | sepult | LinuxGuy2009: have you missed some scripts ? |
| 04:57.26 | sepult | LinuxGuy2009: when building ? |
| 04:57.34 | sepult | LinuxGuy2009: or copying the license ? |
| 04:57.54 | sepult | LinuxGuy2009: it maybe you forgot some steps |
| 04:58.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | sepult: Im not so sure the directions are that great. hehe I just downloaded the tar.gz from here. http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
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| 04:59.26 | sepult | LinuxGuy2009: ok, unpack them, read the docs, and readmes, and rebuild....what shall i say.... |
| 04:59.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | sepult: Well on the website there it only comes with a simple text file. Very basic. |
| 04:59.56 | SerajewelKS | is there a reason why iceweasal on linux is slower than firefox on windows on the same hardware? |
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| 05:00.02 | SerajewelKS | it just *crawls* on linux |
| 05:00.21 | Amarande | wait, iceweasel on linux is slower than firefox on windows on the same hardware? |
| 05:00.25 | Amarande | I've never noticed that to be the case :S |
| 05:00.34 | SerajewelKS | yes. at least twice as fast. |
| 05:00.44 | SerajewelKS | (on windows than linux) |
| 05:00.55 | Amarande | Windows Firefox is always kinda sluggish for me |
| 05:01.10 | Amarande | maybe the virus scanner plugin is resource hoggy or something |
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| 05:01.27 | SerajewelKS | why would i have a virus scanner plugin on linux? |
| 05:01.27 | Amarande | maybe your windows setup doesn't include such a plugin |
| 05:01.40 | Amarande | I'm not sure what would make it slow on linux though |
| 05:01.42 | SerajewelKS | aha. or the linux cpu frequency governor sucks balls |
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| 05:01.53 | Amarande | it never seems slow to me |
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| 05:02.04 | SerajewelKS | i forced the processor to sit at the highest available frequency and now it's very speedy |
| 05:02.05 | sepult | mine is slow too |
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| 05:02.19 | SerajewelKS | i thought ondemand was supposed to be fast when the cpu was under load |
| 05:02.25 | nvahalik | well |
| 05:02.31 | nvahalik | I'm gonna just reinstall |
| 05:02.32 | Amarande | it seems to take a lot for my CPU to step up to 2.21 |
| 05:02.35 | Amarande | usually it's at 1.00 |
| 05:02.37 | sepult | i set cpufreq to performance, and it still sucks |
| 05:02.41 | nvahalik | thanks for your help sepult |
| 05:02.41 | Amarande | but it's a dual core so maybe that's why it doesn't seem slow |
| 05:02.46 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: I've never seen it step properly for short instances of load |
| 05:02.56 | sepult | nvahalik: np |
| 05:02.58 | pickcoder | I stopped using it because it slowed the machine down |
| 05:03.13 | pickcoder | it's fine when the load persists for a decent period |
| 05:03.19 | Amarande | or maybe windows was sluggish because windows was always bogged down with lots of background crap that linux doesn't usually use |
| 05:03.21 | sepult | i hope it's ot all those plugins making it slow |
| 05:03.24 | sepult | not |
| 05:03.45 | Amarande | I'd be willing to bet that virus scanners severely impact Windows's performance any way you slice it |
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| 05:04.04 | Amarande | given that virtually every file you use has to be vetted for "this might harm your computer!" |
| 05:04.14 | Amarande | something you really don't need to do in linux |
| 05:04.15 | pickcoder | Amarande: any way you slice it, it's OT |
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| 05:04.43 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: ondemand seems to be doing better than conservative, which is a shame |
| 05:05.00 | sepult | ondemand is the default |
| 05:05.03 | SerajewelKS | i would like it to combine the two: ondemand on the way up and conservative on the way down. that is, speed up fast and slow down slowly. |
| 05:05.07 | sepult | at least on my pc |
| 05:05.15 | SerajewelKS | sepult: i changed it to conservative because it works better with games |
| 05:05.37 | pickcoder | I tried several frequency throttling apps and none of them increased the CPU when it needed to happen |
| 05:05.38 | SerajewelKS | sepult: it tends to leave the cpu up at the highest speed and drops it only when there is little load for a few seconds |
| 05:06.03 | Amarande | how much power does one save by frequency throttling, btw? |
| 05:06.04 | SerajewelKS | sepult: the problem is though that it does the same for increases -- it only increases the speed when the cpu is under load for a few seconds |
| 05:06.21 | SerajewelKS | Amarande: considering that probably a good 95% of the time your cpu is idle, probably a lot |
| 05:06.27 | pickcoder | Amarande: that depends on the specific CPU |
| 05:06.32 | sepult | SerajewelKS: does performance never decrease the freq ? |
| 05:06.35 | Amarande | Athlon X2 4200+? |
| 05:06.38 | SerajewelKS | nod, depending on hardware |
| 05:06.51 | SerajewelKS | sepult: i don't think it does. i think it sticks it at the highest possible setting. |
| 05:06.59 | SerajewelKS | sepult: whereas powersave sticks it at the lowest |
| 05:07.04 | pickcoder | Amarande: if you drop it to 1Ghz it definately drops the PSU load |
| 05:07.11 | SerajewelKS | i need a combination of ondemand and conservative :/ |
| 05:07.18 | sepult | SerajewelKS: oh then i should let it at ondemand for normal usage |
| 05:07.35 | SerajewelKS | sepult: probably, yeah |
| 05:08.44 | SerajewelKS | sepult: ondemand can make games perform badly though. when they start to chew CPU, ondemand turns up the frequency. then when they stop consuming so much CPU, ondemand turns it back down. this makes the game perform more choppy. |
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| 05:09.14 | SerajewelKS | sepult: whereas conservative does better with games. so it would be nice for ondemand to up the CPU aggressively but back it off more gradually. |
| 05:09.53 | SerajewelKS | yeah changing from conservative to ondemand, iceweasel does much better |
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| 05:10.05 | SerajewelKS | blargh. perhaps i'll have to try my hand at kernel hacking. |
| 05:10.15 | Linux-CLI | says Hi |
| 05:10.32 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: or let the CPU throttling do its own thing? |
| 05:10.36 | Linux-CLI | I'm a new packager, looking for a mentor, could I please have access to #debian-mentor? |
| 05:10.46 | Linux-CLI | !ops |
| 05:10.47 | dpkg | well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:10.47 | pickcoder | it does have native power saving and stepping control? |
| 05:10.48 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: but neither conservative nor ondemand are optimal for my uses |
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| 05:11.34 | pickcoder | can you not select a custom config in the BIOS? |
| 05:12.03 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: i dunno, i haven't tried. but it is a laptop, i would not expect too many options. (although on second thought i did have to turn on amd vt extensions in there.) |
| 05:12.39 | Blank__ | :( laptops are trouble |
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| 05:13.04 | Blank__ | i was wondering if anyone could help me with drivers for networking, the debian base system seems to have none preinstalled |
| 05:13.23 | SerajewelKS | sometimes ondemand doesn't even kick in fast enough |
| 05:13.45 | pickcoder | Blank__: the standard kernel package has a LOT of nic drivers included |
| 05:13.47 | Linux-CLI | Is it just me, or are you guys getting an 'Untrusted Connection' error here: http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 05:14.02 | pickcoder | waves over the crystal ball and sees a Broadcom controller |
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| 05:14.12 | Linux-CLI | !voice |
| 05:14.12 | dpkg | stands back: barf, barf! <growls> barf! |
| 05:14.19 | Linux-CLI | :P |
| 05:14.28 | SerajewelKS | Linux-CLI: untrusted certificate? |
| 05:14.32 | Blank__ | pickcoder, neither my laptop's onboard intel network card nor the wireless card i tried to add would do anything in dmesg other than register themselves as devices, nothing happened networking wise |
| 05:14.35 | SerajewelKS | Linux-CLI: iceweasel trusts it here... |
| 05:14.45 | Linux-CLI | I'm on Vista 64-bit with FF 3.5 |
| 05:14.47 | jmarsden | Linux-CLI: That's not an error that is a warning. Check the cert by hand if you suspect it is forged... |
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| 05:15.04 | pickcoder | Blank__: does the intel nic show up when you run ifconfig -a |
| 05:15.05 | Linux-CLI | jmarsden: Why is there a warning? |
| 05:15.09 | SerajewelKS | Linux-CLI: the cert is signed by the debian root CA, so if you are trying to reach it on a windows box, you probably do not trust that root |
| 05:15.28 | sepult | wth |
| 05:15.31 | sepult | why did i get disconnected ? |
| 05:15.32 | jmarsden | Linux-CLI: Because the cert is not from a CA your browserOS current choose to trust. |
| 05:15.35 | sepult | is it due to js ? |
| 05:15.35 | SerajewelKS | Linux-CLI: i'm assuming that that root cert is trusted on debian boxen by default. i doubt MS ships it with windows or IE, and mozilla probably doesn't ship it with firefox either. |
| 05:15.39 | Blank__ | i did just ifconfig on its own and only loopback showed, pickcoder |
| 05:15.47 | pickcoder | ifconfig -a |
| 05:15.54 | Blank__ | hang on, just booting it now |
| 05:15.55 | SerajewelKS | Blank__: that only means that the other network interfaces might be down |
| 05:16.02 | pickcoder | shows all devices, even those not configured for a network |
| 05:16.10 | Blank__ | hmm, good point |
| 05:16.17 | SerajewelKS | Blank__: "ip link" gives you a nice summary of available interfaces, one per line |
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| 05:16.24 | sepult | shit |
| 05:16.32 | sepult | it begins again ... |
| 05:16.33 | SerajewelKS | so it's better for looking for interfaces than ifconfig -a is since it gives you a book of information |
| 05:16.35 | Blank__ | ah, there's eth0 |
| 05:16.47 | sepult | this disconnecting is sooo disgusting.... |
| 05:16.48 | SerajewelKS | Blank__: try "ifup eth0" |
| 05:16.58 | SerajewelKS | sepult: talk to your ISP? |
| 05:17.03 | Blank__ | you'll have to forgive me, i've been using ubuntu previously so i've forgotten how to do the most basic things |
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| 05:17.40 | Linux-CLI | jmarsden: I see. |
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| 05:17.53 | Blank__ | ifup eth0 says Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0, SerajewelKS |
| 05:18.19 | sepult | it wasn't disconnecting before.... |
| 05:18.26 | sepult | this is a new install here |
| 05:18.34 | sepult | why does it do that ? |
| 05:18.36 | pickcoder | Blank__: it needs to be listed in the /etc/network/interfaces files |
| 05:18.39 | pickcoder | ~file |
| 05:18.53 | SerajewelKS | Blank__: ah yeah, see what pickcoder said and "man interfaces" |
| 05:19.20 | Blank__ | aha |
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| 05:20.27 | Linux-CLI | Is there a downloadable version of the Debian New Maintainers' Guide? |
| 05:21.27 | rm-rf | so i have a machine that has 8GB RAM, but i have one module that tested bad |
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| 05:21.45 | rm-rf | is it better to just run 4GB until i get the bad module replaced, or will 6GB run ok? |
| 05:21.46 | Amarande | rm-rf, have you determined which module this is? |
| 05:21.46 | Linux-CLI | mmm... Fudge |
| 05:21.58 | rm-rf | Amarande: yes |
| 05:22.02 | Amarande | and I'm presuming you have 4x2GB |
| 05:22.06 | rm-rf | yes |
| 05:22.21 | SerajewelKS | why would 6gb not run ok? |
| 05:22.23 | rm-rf | i removed the bad module and memtest is flawless on 4GB |
| 05:22.27 | Amarande | with 4GB you lose capacity and if you have a heavily used box you might thrash |
| 05:22.34 | Amarande | with 6GB you lose dual channel |
| 05:22.36 | pickcoder | rm-rf: if it's dual-channel DDR then running dual-dimms will perform better |
| 05:22.45 | Amarande | I'm *not* entirely sure which costs more performance |
| 05:22.46 | rm-rf | that's what i was getting at |
| 05:22.52 | Fudge | hi guys, im using knoppix adriane and am blind,. whilst updating i get the following message but dont know how to choose ok, ive tried ctrl X o, ok, enter, space i jsut have to cancel it. someone please help and hopefully if extensive in private message since freenode channels go rather fast for my text to speech. |
| 05:22.53 | rm-rf | dual-channel vs. single-channel |
| 05:22.53 | Fudge | Configuring grub-pc |
| 05:22.53 | Fudge | The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB |
| 05:22.53 | Fudge | Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it is correct, and modify it if necessary. |
| 05:22.56 | SerajewelKS | rm-rf: how much ram do you usually use? |
| 05:23.07 | SerajewelKS | rm-rf: basically it's not possible to tell without numbers |
| 05:23.27 | rm-rf | SerajewelKS: it's a vm box with 4 vms running... 2.5GB not counting the hypervisor overhead |
| 05:23.43 | rm-rf | i would say i'm consistently using 3GB |
| 05:23.59 | SerajewelKS | rm-rf: probably 4gb would be fine then |
| 05:24.06 | rm-rf | it jumps when i have dev vm's spun up, but i can spin down non-essential's for the time being |
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| 05:25.41 | SerajewelKS | rm-rf: out of curiosity, xen? |
| 05:25.54 | rm-rf | SerajewelKS: vsphere |
| 05:26.03 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 05:26.14 | rm-rf | i've been getting wierdness lately |
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| 05:26.37 | rm-rf | i tried installing a debian vm this evening, and it kept failing on unpacking and installing the base system |
| 05:26.37 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to decide between xen and virtualbox for my appliance server |
| 05:26.52 | rm-rf | the netinstal iso was being hosted over nfs |
| 05:26.57 | rm-rf | so i figured i had a memory problem |
| 05:27.40 | rm-rf | i tried xen, it was really picky on hardware |
| 05:27.54 | SerajewelKS | i've heard xen is picky about *everything* |
| 05:28.13 | rm-rf | i would imagine that's true |
| 05:28.23 | SerajewelKS | but OTOH i'm not crazy about vbox licensing, and i haven't tested it with headless setups |
| 05:28.23 | jmarsden | Fudge: You might try pressing tab to move the default selection to the next choice, and then Enter. |
| 05:28.36 | rm-rf | yeah, vbox seems suboptimal |
| 05:28.43 | rm-rf | vmware server 2 is horrid |
| 05:28.51 | rm-rf | i would go with v1 before v2 |
| 05:29.02 | SerajewelKS | vbox is fantastic for dev vms though, it's a snap to use |
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| 05:29.30 | Fudge | jmarsden ive tried that, does it invoke some kidn of text editor, i can see ______ and then enxt to that <Ok> but i dont know what it is and thought like nano CTRL X might work but it doesnt |
| 05:29.32 | SerajewelKS | kvm looks nice, but i've yet to make it through a windows install without finding something broken. last time it was network configuration. |
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| 05:31.22 | jmarsden | Fudge: I'm not sure... I've seen that message before, but I don't have in in front of me now to check on it. |
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| 05:31.46 | Fudge | its a bit frustraiting since i have to cancel it |
| 05:31.50 | rm-rf | i use vbox at work on my laptop |
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| 05:32.07 | rm-rf | so that i have some semblence of a linux desktop |
| 05:32.31 | rm-rf | but with 2GB RAM on my laptop, that thing is constantly battling with my windows install |
| 05:32.52 | jmarsden | Fudge: If you cancel it, can you still boot OK after that? Or are you stuck in grub forever ? |
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| 05:32.54 | rm-rf | we're looking into RHE-V, we'll see how far that goes |
| 05:33.07 | nevyn | rm-rf: get more ram |
| 05:33.14 | nevyn | I always need more ram. |
| 05:33.20 | rm-rf | nevyn: easier said than done :) |
| 05:33.28 | Fudge | it does boot but if i try to install other stuff and as its a new install i am learning it it gets stuck on it |
| 05:33.28 | SerajewelKS | rm-rf: i just bring my personal laptop to work. that or vnc to my desktop at home. |
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| 05:33.39 | nevyn | rm-rf: give me your two gig then you can justify buying 4 ? |
| 05:33.45 | nevyn | and I have 2 more gig of ram... |
| 05:33.47 | nevyn | ;) |
| 05:33.52 | rm-rf | hah |
| 05:34.02 | rm-rf | i wish my shop was that small |
| 05:34.13 | nevyn | mine isn't either. |
| 05:34.15 | rm-rf | i'm one of ~100 unix admins |
| 05:34.23 | nevyn | we have ~30 |
| 05:34.36 | rm-rf | i don't even get close to the desktop hardware cage |
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| 05:34.43 | nevyn | so I got to spec replacement systems when I complained about my pentium III with 512mb |
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| 05:34.56 | Fudge | think i actually finally manged to get it after all afternoon loL |
| 05:34.56 | nevyn | so now I have a core2 with 4gig and dual monitors ;) |
| 05:35.03 | rm-rf | you don't work for motorolla by chance, do you? |
| 05:35.24 | nevyn | no. I work in govt |
| 05:35.38 | rm-rf | an old coworker of mine used to work for motorolla |
| 05:35.49 | nevyn | I should suck it up and install ubuntu and blow away CDE |
| 05:35.52 | jmarsden | Fudge: OK... well, I'm glad you got it, anyway :) |
| 05:36.03 | rm-rf | he said that if you complained about something, you had to be ready to fix it, because you would be the primary assigned |
| 05:36.20 | Fudge | used to bsd here not linux but knoppix adriane is pretty neet. does anyone know where i can actually get usable info on how to configure the system, ive installed it to my hard disk and w want to know how to incrase speed of speech, change the default user it logs into shells and X as. simple stuff to set it up more as a system and not a live cd |
| 05:36.27 | beardy | nevyn: Welcome to #debian, we don't give a shit about Ubuntu. |
| 05:36.33 | Fudge | thankyou jmarsden |
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| 05:36.41 | nevyn | beardy: yeah ok. |
| 05:36.53 | rm-rf | i used to be a govt contractor, but the company lost it's major contract |
| 05:37.02 | nevyn | beardy: thanks for fixing my mistake I ment debian of course |
| 05:37.11 | rm-rf | which mean linux was out the door, along with me and ~320 others |
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| 05:38.04 | jmarsden | Fudge: Try in #knoppix . Here in #debian you will generally only get support for Debian itself, not for derivatives of it. |
| 05:39.04 | kurrent | are iptables rules necessary on a vps running debian? |
| 05:39.15 | Fudge | yeah good point jmarsden but its like dead in there with 10 peole or so and i can not find any adriane specific freenode channels, #speakup is the same and theyre not users of it so hoped since its still debian based accept for some env differences and startup scripts as it reports someone might know here. thanks anyway |
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| 05:39.41 | nevyn | kurrent: it's up to you. |
| 05:39.43 | rm-rf | kurrent: some would say that a firewall of some sort is necessary on any OS, regardless of connectivity |
| 05:40.11 | Fudge | :) |
| 05:40.19 | nevyn | rm-rf: some would say that firewalls on hosts cause more problems than they solve |
| 05:40.27 | rm-rf | fair enough |
| 05:40.36 | rm-rf | i'm not of the paranoid type |
| 05:40.50 | rm-rf | so my network is more of a hard candy shell with a soft chewy middle |
| 05:40.52 | nevyn | if you don't have a clear concept of your security architecture firewalls don't help |
| 05:41.01 | nevyn | rm-rf: we do that too. it's not good |
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| 05:41.03 | kurrent | everything runs just fine when i flush all my iptables rules. when i restore them, all hell breaks loose lol |
| 05:41.26 | rm-rf | kurrent: add them one at a time and see at which point "all hell breaks loose" |
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| 05:55.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok I got the broadcom driver to build. One of the next directions are to run "modprobe lib80211" but it says FATAL: Module lib80211 not found. Any idea why? |
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| 06:05.18 | SerajewelKS | kurrent: btw if your policy is to drop everything, and you don't explicitly allow ICMP, that's a good way to break all hell loose |
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| 06:09.56 | scratchme | Hi all. What's a "Authentication token manipulation error" and how do I fix it? I tried google, but I'm not sure I'm making any headway. I'd rather not bust up my authentication files. |
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| 06:29.12 | eshaase | i ahve a directory tahts owned by www-data/www-data with permissions 770 and a user thats part of the www-data group, how come i can't cd into the direcotry with that user? |
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| 06:32.13 | eshaase | interesting, the groups command shows that i'm not a part of www-data, i thought usermod -a -G www-data user would add user to the www-data group |
| 06:33.32 | SerajewelKS | eshaase: it does, but the groups you are in are set per-process |
| 06:33.55 | SerajewelKS | eshaase: in other words, when you logged in, you got assigned groups. modifying /etc/groups after logging in doesn't change your active groups. |
| 06:34.39 | eshaase | ahhhh, ok, i had a screen session open and was opening up a new shell, i guess it requires a new login shell |
| 06:34.39 | SerajewelKS | eshaase: either log out and back in or "newgrp www-data", which will add this group to the group list and spawn a new shell (that shell will be the only one with this group) |
| 06:35.14 | eshaase | ok, gotcha, thanks! |
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| 06:47.43 | scratchme | Hi all. What's a "Authentication token manipulation error" and how do I fix it? I tried google, but I'm not sure I'm making any headway. I'd rather not bust up my authentication files. |
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| 06:49.51 | minike | Hi everyone I would like to request assistance from your webpage országotokba we find the views and give more to others as well as likely that I will be banned from getting a link in röktön http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/ |
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| 07:03.06 | twiggz | hi. |
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| 07:10.47 | P3t3 | hey guys do you know how to stream from a website? |
| 07:11.08 | cast | mplayer -playlist http://...asdf/sdf/a.m3u |
| 07:11.28 | P3t3 | what about vlc? |
| 07:11.36 | cast | sure |
| 07:11.42 | cast | even mpg321 understands http |
| 07:11.46 | P3t3 | I am watching live tv |
| 07:12.01 | P3t3 | ok I'll try that cause I haven't had any luck so far |
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| 07:14.12 | P3t3 | server returned 404 ... |
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| 07:18.14 | simonrvn | P3t3: that's their problem, not yours. email them about it. |
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| 07:18.59 | P3t3 | simonrvn yeah I guess I should but it's a free service so... |
| 07:19.21 | simonrvn | P3t3: uh, why would that make a difference? |
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| 07:20.40 | P3t3 | simonrvn cause they way the site works is - you go click on a tv channel you want to watch then it launches vlc mozila plugin and you watch it in your browser like on youtube (you have full screen etc) |
| 07:20.46 | simonrvn | what's wrong with people anyway? because it's free you expect it to be crap? |
| 07:21.09 | simonrvn | and? if it's a 404, it's a problem they need to look at. |
| 07:21.25 | P3t3 | simonrvn the web player is really good but I want to create some aliases where I type say nationalgeographic and it launches it |
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| 07:26.00 | srbaker | heya folks |
| 07:26.15 | srbaker | i'm using ssh from a shell script, and i dont' want it to ask me to verify the authenticity of a new host |
| 07:26.19 | srbaker | the yes/no question |
| 07:26.24 | srbaker | how do i tell ssh to just trust it? |
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| 07:28.57 | P3t3 | srbaker ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 07:29.03 | P3t3 | srbaker etc |
| 07:29.05 | srbaker | no, from a script, without editing any files |
| 07:29.10 | srbaker | from the cmd line |
| 07:29.16 | P3t3 | why not? |
| 07:29.23 | simonrvn | man ssh |
| 07:29.26 | srbaker | because it needs to run in a lot of places, without touching local configs |
| 07:29.32 | P3t3 | just add them to the trusted ones |
| 07:29.39 | srbaker | simonrvn: obviously, i've done that, and i haven't found the exact answer. |
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| 07:29.43 | srbaker | also, i dont' know what the fingerprint is |
| 07:29.49 | srbaker | i just want it to not do the check for this connection |
| 07:29.54 | simonrvn | man ssh<tab> |
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| 07:30.14 | P3t3 | srbaker then just make links to a single config file |
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| 07:32.30 | simonrvn | i'd be more specific, but i don't recall the exact command to add a host's key to known_hosts |
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| 07:34.15 | dserban__ | How does one delete a logical LVM group? |
| 07:35.37 | cast | vgremove |
| 07:35.51 | cast | see man lvm |
| 07:37.37 | dserban__ | cast, aye, found it :) thanks |
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| 07:46.11 | zmotok | hello everyone, is there any alternative to snapshots.debian.net in order to retrieve an older package that's no longer in the debian repositories? the snapshots server appears to be down.. and i'm looking for xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-1, the one that doesn't crash linux 2.6.32.. |
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| 07:47.06 | bolt | !ado |
| 07:47.06 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 07:47.41 | zmotok | bolt: thanks! |
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| 07:49.58 | Sotaho | hello , anyone from Malaysia ?? |
| 07:50.16 | zmotok | bolt: unfortunately that server doesn't cover all packages, just released ones :-s |
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| 07:52.34 | Sotaho | Hello .. Malaysia , any one ? |
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| 07:57.15 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 07:57.25 | bolt | !greet wuffi600 |
| 07:57.26 | dpkg | Salutations, wuffi600 |
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| 07:57.42 | wuffi600 | my internetconnection ist to slow to use X-Forwadring through ssh. Is there a way to run apps remotely (on the ssh-server mashine) and see and use them locally (on the ssh-client mashine)? I've tried realvnc/tightvnc but is there something more rdp-like? maybe some terminal-server thingy? |
| 07:57.54 | bolt | zmotok: then i guess you just have to wait for snapshots to be up. sorry |
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| 07:58.08 | aporetic | hey guys, i'm trying to upgrade a relatively fresh etch install to track testing instead, but aptitude full-upgrade is getting hung up on some error about udev not supporting my kernel? |
| 07:58.19 | zmotok | bolt: thanks.. |
| 07:58.34 | bolt | wuffi600: did you enable compression on your ssh connection? |
| 07:58.51 | Tomasu | I'm having a slight problem when running my laptop on battery with sid, the hdd keeps parking and unparking. How do I fix that? |
| 07:59.03 | Tomasu | it does it every 10-30s or so |
| 07:59.07 | aporetic | do i just want to try over with a completely clean install, or is there something else i'm doing wrong? |
| 07:59.42 | bolt | aporetic: you should probably go through lenny |
| 07:59.49 | wuffi600 | bolt, yes but gtk2-widgets are quite the same slow as wothout compresion. |
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| 08:00.36 | aporetic | bolt: ack, i'm sorry, got mixed up - lenny's where i'm starting from |
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| 08:01.03 | aporetic | 5.03 |
| 08:01.21 | bolt | !tell aporetic about lenny->squeeze |
| 08:01.32 | bolt | make sure you follow that process |
| 08:01.58 | aporetic | oh jeez, did i break something permanently by just up and aptitude full-upgrading right away? :( |
| 08:02.03 | wuffi600 | bolt, what do you think about installing mxserver? |
| 08:02.37 | bolt | aporetic: nothing unrecoverable, i think :) |
| 08:02.42 | aporetic | phew! |
| 08:02.47 | aporetic | thanks so much, i'll give that a shot. |
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| 08:03.26 | bolt | wuffi600: never heard of mxserver, sorry |
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| 08:05.05 | nasso | is there any way to copy a disk to another including MBR and partition layout? |
| 08:05.20 | nasso | i want to move a installation from one disk to another |
| 08:05.35 | wuffi600 | is "vino" a server that can provide a desktop-session to a viewerprogramm on another maschine? |
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| 08:05.39 | basty | good day |
| 08:06.01 | basty | does anyone know where to get the debian 5.0.4 "net-install" iso ? I just checked the mirrors and I just can find the 5.0.3.... |
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| 08:06.34 | nasso | it would be nice if i didnt have to partition, rewrite grub and manually copy all files |
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| 08:08.11 | nasso | the disks are different sizes though so i guess that might mess up the partitiontable... |
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| 08:12.22 | aporetic | huh, still no dice. think i'll just reinstall and try again. |
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| 08:20.34 | srbaker | i can't find anywhere in ssh_config manpage that tells me how to disable the known_hosts check |
| 08:20.57 | srbaker | i thought it was CheckHostIP but it's not |
| 08:21.13 | srbaker | oh, it is |
| 08:21.14 | srbaker | but |
| 08:22.46 | srbaker | ssh -o "CheckHostIP no" <ip> |
| 08:22.48 | srbaker | is still asking me :( |
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| 08:25.35 | simonrvn | just add it - it only does it once per host |
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| 08:26.33 | babilen | srbaker: You could also try StrictHostKeyChecking, but what is your goal? Why don't you just remove the offending key (ssh-keygen -R <IP>) and accept the new one? |
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| 08:26.56 | srbaker | this is an automation script |
| 08:27.07 | srbaker | it builds a cloud server, logs in, runs some commands, and builds another |
| 08:27.10 | srbaker | and ti does this about 60 times |
| 08:27.17 | srbaker | and i don't know what the keys, or what the ips are ahead of time |
| 08:27.17 | srbaker | so i can't |
| 08:27.32 | simonrvn | ah |
| 08:28.29 | srbaker | ah, i want stricthostkeychecking no and checkhostip no |
| 08:28.38 | srbaker | hrm |
| 08:28.44 | simonrvn | might work... |
| 08:28.46 | srbaker | and i also want userknownhostsfile /dev/null |
| 08:28.47 | srbaker | :P |
| 08:28.58 | srbaker | so i don't get a bunch of stuff shit into my known_hosts |
| 08:29.06 | srbaker | (the ips are re-used, so i get the trojan warning) |
| 08:29.12 | simonrvn | there might be some docs for clusters and ssh online |
| 08:29.19 | simonrvn | i see |
| 08:29.31 | babilen | srbaker: why don't you just enable it altogether? Or use something like rsh? |
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| 08:31.52 | babilen | or something like puppet, dsh, dish, ... ? |
| 08:32.11 | babilen | srbaker: and s/enable/disable |
| 08:32.32 | srbaker | puppet was really buggy |
| 08:32.44 | srbaker | but i'll have to move to something like that |
| 08:32.47 | srbaker | prob bcfg2 i think |
| 08:34.13 | babilen | If you are accepting every key automatically you don't want to check the keys. You could also have a look at Capistrano or fabric (--> python) |
| 08:35.42 | srbaker | capistrano is definitely a no |
| 08:35.52 | srbaker | but i am considering using vald (the spiritual successor to capistrano) |
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| 08:38.17 | babilen | alright - I don't use capistrano as well, just wanted to drop the name. What about cfengine or chef? I have the impression that you are rather looking for a configuration tool and not something "SSH-like", correct? |
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| 08:38.46 | zeld | morning all |
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| 08:39.22 | srbaker | babilen: chef and cfengine have a *lot* of dependencies |
| 08:39.28 | srbaker | it takes a lot to get them up and running |
| 08:39.33 | srbaker | it looks like bcfg2 or fabric are where i'm going |
| 08:39.42 | srbaker | which is funny, the two optinos i'm considering are python, and we're a ruby shop |
| 08:39.56 | babilen | Python rocks ;-D |
| 08:40.07 | babilen | But just use the best tool for the job |
| 08:40.09 | jelly-hme | srbaker: oh, how buggy was puppet and how long ago? |
| 08:40.14 | zeld | hi all anyone had this problem? http://dpaste.com/154008/ |
| 08:40.20 | srbaker | jelly-hme: a lot. and two years. |
| 08:40.23 | zeld | after upgrading xorg :| |
| 08:40.31 | babilen | And i had the impression that puppet was actually a great tool from what i heard |
| 08:40.32 | srbaker | jelly-hme: i had to write some patches for puppet, and i know the author. i'm not willing to trust it :P |
| 08:40.42 | jelly-hme | nods |
| 08:40.42 | zeld | the synaptic toucghpad scroll not work :| |
| 08:40.44 | babilen | :-\ |
| 08:41.00 | srbaker | chef and cfengine require a lot of leg wrk on the client to get going |
| 08:41.06 | srbaker | i used cfengine for precisely this years ago. |
| 08:41.20 | srbaker | but i'm not liking how cfengine3 requires stuff to be installed under a non-fhs structure. |
| 08:41.23 | srbaker | it bugs the hell out of me |
| 08:41.51 | babilen | :-D |
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| 08:49.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | There any commands that I can feed an online repo web address to and it will spit out the total size in Mb/Gb? |
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| 08:54.35 | standoo | hello |
| 08:55.03 | standoo | i started using debian a week ago and its just great |
| 08:55.15 | babilen | good |
| 08:55.21 | cast | it is isn't it |
| 08:55.26 | standoo | yeah |
| 08:55.34 | cast | the only shortcomings i have with it revolve around linux, not debian |
| 08:55.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | standoo: Just wondering what distro did Debian replace on your system? |
| 08:55.53 | standoo | does anyone have any good suggestions that would help me with programming? |
| 08:56.09 | babilen | standoo: Programming what? In which language? |
| 08:56.21 | standoo | sorry i meant text editors |
| 08:56.32 | babilen | standoo: vim or emacs :-D |
| 08:56.37 | standoo | i usually launch emac through the command prompt |
| 08:56.47 | cast | vim or emacs |
| 08:56.51 | standoo | but everytime i do that it opens up a new window |
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| 08:57.00 | cast | emacs -nox, or something |
| 08:57.07 | cast | man emacs and find out |
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| 09:00.26 | deconvolution | hello, I am moving my harddisk from an old server to a new one. With the old kernel the boot meets lots problem. I wonder if debian has a way to handle this? (e.g. load a pre-built kernel with hardware auto-detection?) |
| 09:00.56 | thunderstrike | We have a Debian 5.0.3 as a Virtual Machine. I need to take screenshots of the webpages & for that I've to install Page Saver plugin for Firefox. Gnome is installed on the server. But the server is running in runlevel 2. I want to run a Firefox/Iceweasel on the remote headless server so that I can install that add-on of firefox. |
| 09:01.02 | babilen | deconvolution: did you compile the old kernel yourself? or is it a stock kernel? |
| 09:01.20 | sep | thunderstrike, ssh -X user@machine |
| 09:01.23 | sep | then run iceweasel |
| 09:01.30 | thunderstrike | okhe |
| 09:01.32 | thunderstrike | trying |
| 09:01.43 | sep | thunderstrike, you must have xforwarding on in sshd server on the machine |
| 09:01.50 | deconvolution | babilen, the old kenel is compiled by myself |
| 09:01.54 | thunderstrike | chking |
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| 09:02.09 | deconvolution | babilen, and I havent used stock kernel before |
| 09:02.13 | babilen | deconvolution: Use a stock kernel then, or do you actually have a good reason to compile your own? |
| 09:02.15 | standoo | how do restart a process? |
| 09:02.18 | sep | also there is some package you need... xauth... or something.. cant remember |
| 09:02.28 | cast | standoo: kill it, start it again |
| 09:02.40 | sidewalk | can bind/dhcp be setup to create dynamic hostnames depending on the mac address of the machine that is requesting an IP? |
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| 09:03.29 | lwolf | hi, i've just upgrade lighttpd on my debian lenny servers, and it seems to have broken my sites. Does someone know what could have caused this problem ? |
| 09:04.00 | meiskam | how can i see the time a file was first created? |
| 09:04.22 | deconvolution | babilen, well I cannot remember why I always compiled kernel by myself :P |
| 09:04.37 | babilen | deconvolution: Use a stock kernel then |
| 09:05.09 | deconvolution | babilen, any document about how to use stock kernel ? Is there any tools to auto-detect modules load? |
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| 09:05.17 | thunderstrike | sep: using ssh -X root@remote-server gives this message after logged in "/usr/bin/X11/xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority" |
| 09:05.28 | thunderstrike | then I ran iceweasel |
| 09:05.34 | thunderstrike | but nothing is happening |
| 09:05.54 | thunderstrike | what shud i expect after running the command |
| 09:06.00 | babilen | deconvolution: Just install the appropriate kernel. If you need to load any additional modules you can list them in /etc/modules |
| 09:06.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do you clear off any residual config files from the command line instead of going to synaptic every time for it? |
| 09:06.25 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: 'aptitude purge <package>' |
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| 09:06.30 | sep | thunderstrike, what machine are you connecting frmo ? |
| 09:06.44 | sep | and why then heck do you run a browser as root ?! |
| 09:06.46 | thunderstrike | a linux centos 5 machine |
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| 09:06.54 | deconvolution | babilen, any tools help this like any CD-boot system? |
| 09:06.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | babilen: No way of saying purge ALL residual configs? |
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| 09:07.19 | sep | do you have a firefox/iceweasel runnign localy ? |
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| 09:07.50 | thunderstrike | yeah... on my local machine [CentOS release 5.3 (Final)] |
| 09:08.02 | sep | so either cose the local one. or run the remote one with --no-remote |
| 09:08.08 | ngowial | Is Flash Editor available for 'debian Testing'? |
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| 09:08.11 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: I am sure you can come up with a suitable search string for aptitude. Have a look at the search term reference |
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| 09:08.24 | thunderstrike | okhe |
| 09:08.35 | sep | thunderstrike, it was -no-remote |
| 09:08.43 | thunderstrike | thanks |
| 09:08.48 | thunderstrike | trying that |
| 09:08.56 | babilen | deconvolution: I don't quite understand your question. Why can't you just 'aptitude install <suitable-kernel-package>' and boot that kernel? |
| 09:10.00 | deconvolution | babilen, since during the boot process, it needs to loads modules |
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| 09:10.45 | babilen | LinuxGuy2009: It is aptitude search ~c to search for the packages and aptitude purge ~c to purge them |
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| 09:11.20 | babilen | deconvolution: It will load modules automatically. If not you can specify additional ones in /etc/modules |
| 09:12.36 | deconvolution | babilen, that would be cool |
| 09:12.41 | thunderstrike | sep: ran this command "iceweasel -no-remote" but nothing happening.. so closing the local firefox Now. I'll then run the normal command as u told earlier. |
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| 09:14.27 | babilen | deconvolution: it *IS* ;-) |
| 09:14.28 | sep | thunderstrike, well i do not know why it does not work for you. i do that all the time but i have only debian's tho |
| 09:14.39 | thunderstrike | okhe |
| 09:14.50 | sep | you could perhaps try with something less picky then iceweasel first. like tuxeyes or something. |
| 09:14.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone running Firefox 3.6? How did you install it? Do I run the "run-mozilla.sh" script? |
| 09:14.58 | sep | just to check that x forwarding is working |
| 09:15.09 | deconvolution | babilen, many thanks |
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| 09:15.19 | thunderstrike | sep: cat sshd_config | grep -i forward gives output "X11Forwarding yes" |
| 09:15.31 | thunderstrike | so it is set |
| 09:15.33 | babilen | deconvolution: No problem. Have fun and good luck with migration |
| 09:15.34 | thunderstrike | properly |
| 09:15.37 | sep | also echo $DISPLAY should give you something on the remote |
| 09:15.50 | sep | like localhost:10.0 or something |
| 09:15.54 | thunderstrike | yeah |
| 09:16.00 | thunderstrike | localhost:3.0 |
| 09:16.21 | thunderstrike | this is the value that I had exported while playing with Xvfb... |
| 09:16.56 | babilen | deconvolution: You probably want to install linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-i386 |
| 09:17.10 | buckfast | Is there any nfo viewer tool in the debian repositories? |
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| 09:17.31 | thunderstrike | sep: so do i have to make changes in that value or the command syntax ? plz suggest |
| 09:17.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | buckfast: test editor. |
| 09:17.47 | sep | thunderstrike, i only run ssh -X user@machine |
| 09:17.51 | babilen | deconvolution: or even linux-image-amd64 / linux-image-i386, but i guess that 2.6 will be around for some time ;-) |
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| 09:17.55 | sep | it should set up the $DISPLAY correctly |
| 09:18.03 | sep | unless you have modified it somehow |
| 09:18.16 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to bring up an old physical installation that I wrapped into an xen domU |
| 09:18.21 | thunderstrike | i'm going to remove the existing value "localhost:3.0" |
| 09:18.27 | sep | like a config file or a .bachrc or whatever |
| 09:18.30 | thunderstrike | & then try doing ssh -X |
| 09:18.36 | nsadmin | I can start the domain, but it looks like it can't load the modules of the kernel I'm using |
| 09:19.10 | nsadmin | and sure enough, I'm using a kernel I installed on the dom0 for the domU |
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| 09:20.07 | nsadmin | so is it a good idea to unpack the /lib/modules/$(uname -r) subtree into the domU, then later install the package? |
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| 09:25.41 | thunderstrike | sep: not worked... also I've tried to connect the remote debian server using Putty with enabling X11 forwarding.. but with the same results... now I'm trying putty from a windows box |
| 09:27.06 | standoo | what does Ctrl +ALt + F1 to F7 actually do? |
| 09:27.56 | babilen | standoo: try it ;-) |
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| 09:28.11 | standoo | tried it |
| 09:28.19 | standoo | switches between environment? |
| 09:29.01 | babilen | Just several consoles and X |
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| 09:31.57 | sep | thunderstrike, if you want to unse windows you musthave a xserver running |
| 09:32.00 | sep | foinstance xming |
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| 09:32.33 | thunderstrike | xming shud be installed on windows box ? |
| 09:32.36 | sep | thunderstrike, if you can use x2go. especialy if you have a slow network |
| 09:32.40 | sep | yes |
| 09:32.56 | thunderstrike | okhe boss... doing that right away... |
| 09:33.06 | sep | just start xming, then start putty. and connect to debian and run tuxeyes or other x program |
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| 09:33.20 | thunderstrike | okhe |
| 09:33.22 | sep | xforwarding on in sshd and putty obviously |
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| 09:45.26 | ||arifaX | I wrote a udev rule when inserting a yubikey usb device or removing it. it is called once on disconnect but 6x on inserting. how this? |
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| 09:51.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just installed samba and tried to share a folder in nautilus. The setting wont stick, any idea why? |
| 09:51.33 | iceroot | i am using port-forwarding on ssh something like ssh -p 1222 root@host which is working great but i cant manage the correct rsync-syntax for using the port-forwarding. something like rsync --port=1222 /foo/ root@host://bar/ is not working, also root@host:1222//bar/ is not working. maybe someone can give me a hint? |
| 09:53.17 | rvsjoen | iceroot: ssh -p is not port-forwarding, are you yjust trying to use a different port ? |
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| 09:54.21 | iceroot | rvsjoen: i have 3 pcs A,B and C to get from A to C i have portforwarind on B so if i am using ssh -p 1222 root@B i will go to C. |
| 09:54.48 | iceroot | rvsjoen: the same i want with rsync but rsync is ignoring my port-parameter als always copying files to B |
| 09:54.58 | thunderstrike | sep: installed xming, connected to remote server using putty... i don't have tuxeyes installed on the server, instead there is gnome installed |
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| 09:56.50 | rvsjoen | iceroot: rsync --rsh="ssh -p 1222" [SRC] [DST] |
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| 09:57.44 | iceroot | rvsjoen: to DST will be root@B |
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| 10:00.09 | iceroot | rvsjoen: thank you very much, its working |
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| 10:03.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone help with network folder sharing? |
| 10:04.17 | SlayerXP | LinuxGuy2009: can you be less specific? |
| 10:04.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | SlayerXP: Sure |
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| 10:06.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | LinuxGuy2009: I just installed samba and tried to share a folder in nautilus. The setting wont stick, any idea why? |
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| 10:07.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | When I right click on it after setting it, it goes back to "Do Not Share" again. |
| 10:07.14 | cast | whats a folder? |
| 10:07.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | My Music folder to be exact. |
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| 10:08.23 | serishema | I'm having trouble with vmware 7 on debian 5.03 crashing when starting a VM. Investigating the log files suggests the problem is related to XRandR as my graphics driver does not report any information for the LCD output. |
| 10:08.37 | rvsjoen | never used nautilus, but dont you need permissions for that ? |
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| 10:09.02 | serishema | I thought a solution would be to disable xrandr but i haven't found a straight answer as to how to do this. I've seen several different things you can add to xorg.conf, but have gotten inconsistent results. |
| 10:09.05 | rvsjoen | does samba allow you to create shares as a regular user ? |
| 10:09.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | rvsjoen: Well its my machine and I can give it permission if you can help with directions. |
| 10:09.26 | serishema | Changing the file, restarting X and then having it work, but then having it fail to work next time the computer is rebooted is what i've been experiencing. |
| 10:09.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | rvsjoen: No idea. |
| 10:09.43 | rvsjoen | serishema: a wild guess would be to change it to a 'generic' driver which does not support the randr extensions |
| 10:09.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | rvsjoen: How should I be doing it? |
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| 10:10.17 | serishema | thanks, that's another possibility.. but I want to avoid losing 3d acelleration |
| 10:10.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | rvsjoen: ALT+F2 and gksu nautilus and do it from there? |
| 10:10.34 | cast | sharing folders is easy, just a line in a NFS config file |
| 10:11.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yeah but who wants to mess with config files if you dont have to. I know I dont. |
| 10:11.10 | cast | [/etc/exports] |
| 10:11.38 | rvsjoen | linuxguy2009: you could try gksu, at least it eliminates any suspicion towards permissions |
| 10:11.49 | cast | is it just me or is there an increasing number of new people here who seem to think text config files are inferior to guis |
| 10:12.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | rvsjoen: Hmm didnt work either. |
| 10:12.41 | rvsjoen | serishema: otherwise, I would assume that each driver is responsible for providing means of disabling it |
| 10:12.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | rvsjoen: Do i need to logout/in or restart after samba install? |
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| 10:13.19 | serishema | rvsjoen: nothing's mentioned.. I suppose as a last resort i could grab the source code and hack on it to make it not support xrandr.. |
| 10:13.33 | serishema | but if i'm going to go to that much trouble.. I might as well fix the bug properly. |
| 10:13.55 | serishema | though presumably it only exists because intel won't release the specs for their graphics chips |
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| 10:14.35 | rvsjoen | possibly |
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| 10:27.19 | iceroot | if i am using ping -c 4 host || echo "failed". will failed be printed with 50% packetlost? or only with 100%? cant simulate that right now |
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| 10:33.03 | nsadmin | where are the modules in the package linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686_2.6.26-19lenny2_i386.deb |
| 10:33.30 | nsadmin | or s/in/associated with/ |
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| 10:34.20 | Zbyshek | dpkg -L will show you the content |
| 10:34.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching will show you the content |
| 10:34.29 | Zbyshek | :) dpkg |
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| 10:35.34 | nsadmin | I just unpacked the data.tar.gz in the package, they weren't there, which is what I'd expect dpkg -L to reflect |
| 10:35.38 | nsadmin | but I'll check |
| 10:35.56 | smhar | greetings |
| 10:36.23 | nsadmin | confirmed. the modules are not present in that package |
| 10:37.20 | nsadmin | wait, I found them |
| 10:37.29 | smhar | I have a Dell notebook with a small light near the webcam at the top of the screen which works in windows to show harddisk activity, is it possible to make it work the same way in debian squeeze as the notebooke does not have a HD activity indicator |
| 10:37.34 | nsadmin | they're in linux-modules-2.6.26-2-xen-686_2.6.26-19lenny2_i386.deb |
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| 10:44.58 | kaduk | Hi, I installed python library pygtksourceview with /usr/local/ prefix, I have same pygtksourceview library installed systemwide in /usr, how to make python thinking that the one in /usr/local is the default one ? Any help in that matter? The problem is with gedit that has support for python plugins and one of them is loading older version of pygtksourceview but newest is essential and plugin is not working. Any help how to fix that? |
| 10:46.15 | babilen | adjust you PYTHONPATH or install into a virtualenv and run from there |
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| 10:50.18 | F15ch3r | hello |
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| 10:51.17 | F15ch3r | is there someone who ever worked with strongswan ? |
| 10:51.18 | utrrrongeeb | duf |
| 10:51.30 | utrrrongeeb | sorry -- mistake -- ignoreable |
| 10:51.43 | zhane | hmm when I go into http://localhost/phpmyadmin and try to login into root, i get "403 - Forbidden"... how should I rectify this? |
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| 10:53.33 | Zbyshek | and? |
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| 10:54.10 | F15ch3r | what this error mean in strong swan : 003 "host-host" #2: ignoring informational payload, type INVALID_KEY_INFORMATION |
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| 10:57.21 | kaduk | babilen, PYTHONPATH but to what ? |
| 10:57.38 | kaduk | babilen, pygtksourceview afaik does not contain py files, just so |
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| 11:17.30 | |xaka| | anybody know how debian maintainers compiles cross-dependens packages? A -> B; B -> C; C -> A? |
| 11:18.43 | gordonjcp | how does such a situation come about? |
| 11:19.03 | lsd | package sudoku |
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| 11:31.21 | Ujjain | What does this mean? hdparm -tT /dev/md0: read(2097152) returned 24576 bytes, Timing buffered disk reads: , read() failed: Input/output error |
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| 11:36.57 | jhattara | i can't find any kind of GUI printer manager from lenny |
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| 11:39.37 | jhattara | how can i add a printer in debian/lenny ? |
| 11:39.50 | themill | jhattara: cups has a web interface (http://localhost:631) or KDE has a very nice print manager built in to it. |
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| 11:41.31 | jhattara | themill, thanks, looks a bit hard to find for anyone not intimately familiar with cups |
| 11:42.32 | rvsjoen | setting up printers always makes me want to cry |
| 11:42.47 | themill | jhattara: *shrug* it's in /usr/share/doc/cups/README.txt.gz. And most DEs provide a nice clicky thing too. |
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| 11:44.46 | jhattara | themill, nothing about that interface came up when googling about how to install a printer in debian, found finally something useful from synaptic: for some reason system-config-printer wasn't installed (installing now), i guess that's the standard GUI for printer management |
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| 12:20.45 | project2501a | hey guys, i just got done dist-upgrading to squeeze |
| 12:21.03 | project2501a | apt-get is complaining about packages which are not in use any more |
| 12:21.12 | project2501a | but it's complaining about packages which are essential |
| 12:21.39 | project2501a | how do i purge the status of the packages |
| 12:21.40 | project2501a | ? |
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| 12:29.24 | bolt | project2501a: just do aptitude install on them. mark them as manually installed |
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| 12:29.30 | bolt | project2501a: then to apt-get autoremove on the rest |
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| 12:33.14 | ethanol | meh, basic ftp client doesn't show transfer progress? :< |
| 12:33.25 | petemc | hash |
| 12:33.38 | petemc | tho thats not that useful |
| 12:33.52 | cast | i really like lftp |
| 12:33.57 | ethanol | it's not showing me anything |
| 12:34.09 | ethanol | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for content.tar.bz2 |
| 12:34.11 | ethanol | was the last line |
| 12:34.13 | ethanol | nothing further |
| 12:34.22 | ethanol | it's a 3.2gb file, I'd like to see how far it is :< |
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| 12:36.19 | macsim | anybody can help me for this odd things http://pastebin.org/85842 thanks (openvpn on debian) |
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| 12:36.56 | jelly | ethanol: doing put or get? |
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| 12:37.35 | jelly | if it's get, you can trivially check how far it got, in a shell |
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| 12:37.48 | ethanol | doing put |
| 12:37.52 | ethanol | but switched to ncftp |
| 12:37.55 | ethanol | shows progress |
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| 12:48.00 | project2501a | ethanol: ncftp <3 |
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| 12:50.17 | project2501a | bolt: wow, that worked |
| 12:50.31 | project2501a | bolt: so, why can i do that with aptitude and not with apt? |
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| 12:52.04 | amitz | how to install debian to a usb stick, where I can boot to that usb stick, and pull the stick after boot process but the computer keep running. Besides debootstrap, what other keywords do I need? |
| 12:52.36 | amitz | perhaps moving all the stick image to ram, or something along that line? |
| 12:53.15 | iguanna | do you recommend to use a graphic interface to subversion? |
| 12:53.28 | iguanna | rapidsvn, websvn, so on |
| 12:53.44 | rvsjoen | I prefer the console client, but thats just me |
| 12:53.56 | rvsjoen | I try to avoid svn whenever I can |
| 12:54.06 | nkuttler | i prefer git to interface to svn |
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| 12:58.02 | project2501a | i prefer burning effigues |
| 12:58.08 | project2501a | erh, effigies |
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| 12:59.03 | chops1 | So I don't see a way to make rsync use PAM for authentication... am I just missing something? It seems to insist on using its own rsyncd.secrets file. |
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| 13:04.50 | debianix | ello, can anyone tell me how to remove unused kernels on debian lenny plz ? |
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| 13:05.11 | chops1 | debianix: aptitude remove? :-) |
| 13:05.27 | project2501a | blowtorch and pliers |
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| 13:10.30 | debianix | huh yeah |
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| 13:10.45 | debianix | hope i don't F8ck anything |
| 13:12.09 | lsd | debianix, dpkg --purge linux-image-<version> if you really want to be thorough |
| 13:12.16 | lsd | you might need to update-grub after that, depending |
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| 13:13.02 | debianix | i just did apt-get upgrade and it installed a new one :/ i think i have about 4 different one on the pc |
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| 13:13.59 | chops1 | debianix: Right, that's normal. One advantage is you get to see if the new one works before you have to remove the old one :-). It's good to keep at least two around. |
| 13:14.54 | debianix | humm yeah guess i'll do that first, see if everything works first |
| 13:14.56 | debianix | :D |
| 13:15.00 | debianix | thanks |
| 13:15.31 | chops1 | debianix: np |
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| 13:23.46 | chrisw | hey all, any way I can egt wget to write query string files into non-query-string files and correct the urls in cotnent that refer to those files? |
| 13:24.03 | chrisw | um, that english wasn't so hot, but hopefully you get the idea :-S |
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| 13:36.42 | ethanol | not with wget itself, I imagine |
| 13:36.59 | chrisw | -k should do it |
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| 13:37.05 | chrisw | and can likely be provoked to do it] |
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| 13:38.18 | DuClare | Which package contains the manpages for opengl? |
| 13:38.35 | chrisw | I think it actually does the right thing, it's just that ? is an odd character to see in a filename... |
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| 13:43.07 | k\t | hey, does anyone know a good howto/manual for debian mailserver setup. |
| 13:43.26 | streuner_ | !workaround |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | the documentation for the packages you install |
| 13:43.42 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals workaround |
| 13:43.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'workaround' by value (12): broken update ;; sis191 ;; boxes instead of fonts ;; kludge ;; ispmail ;; kdeinit ;; bdo #DEL# ;; pidgin icq ;; pidgin yahoo ;; nfs client ;; postfix howto ;; acx100 2.6.29. |
| 13:44.04 | chops1 | k\t: How complex and busy a mailserver? |
| 13:44.10 | streuner_ | for postfix, just /msg dpkg postfix howto |
| 13:44.33 | k\t | very simple. just mail for myself using dynamic dyns from dyndyns.org. |
| 13:44.44 | k\t | dyndns* |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | k\t: you won't be able to send mail .. why bother |
| 13:45.12 | k\t | really? |
| 13:45.27 | abrotman | most mail servers don't accept mail from dynamic IP ranges |
| 13:45.38 | chops1 | k\t: I'd advise exim4 (the Debian default); read the documentation on it. |
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| 13:46.03 | k\t | well if i could just atleast receive mail from the outside world. |
| 13:46.04 | abrotman | k\t: so you wouldn't be able to send mail to like .. google or yahoo most likely |
| 13:46.05 | chops1 | k\t: The debconf configuration should basically get you there though |
| 13:46.34 | abrotman | k\t: that's call pop3 or imap |
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| 13:46.49 | k\t | its already setup! |
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| 13:47.03 | chops1 | k\t: You just want to know how to receive mail as well? |
| 13:47.45 | streuner_ | k\t: what kind of package do you use? |
| 13:48.04 | streuner_ | (for POP3) |
| 13:48.19 | k\t | abrotman: so say i have ddns of mail.someserv.net ... i wouldn't be able to setup my system to receive mail with a email address of k\t@mail.someserv.net |
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| 13:48.30 | k\t | package? |
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| 13:48.51 | streuner_ | yes, you just need a POP3-daemon |
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| 13:48.53 | k\t | no... i have fetchmail pretty much setup for that. |
| 13:49.18 | streuner_ | fetchmail just get mails... |
| 13:49.26 | k\t | right... |
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| 13:49.37 | streuner_ | but in order to recieve mails, you need a pop3-daemon then |
| 13:49.44 | abrotman | k\t: your ISP may not even allow inbound port 25 |
| 13:49.46 | chops1 | k\t: If you really want to, I don't think there's any obstacle to setting yourself up to be able to receive mail at your dyndns address. Sending mail (or getting systems to accept your mails) may be more tricky |
| 13:50.10 | streuner_ | 110 would be enough |
| 13:50.16 | chops1 | k\t: What are you trying to accomplish? Just trying to learn about mailservers? |
| 13:50.20 | k\t | its already setup on my router, and testing telnet localhost.localdomain 25 has proven to allow mailing on the local server. |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | k\t: if rr.com were smart they'd block incoming/outgoing 25 for their dynamic customers |
| 13:50.31 | abrotman | (guess they're not smart ...) |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | k\t: then don't let us stop you .. go read the documentation and get it running ... |
| 13:51.45 | k\t | streuner_: im just now learning about ddns so along my path, mail tends to be related so i've decided that i should probably set it up along with all my other services. |
| 13:52.13 | chops1 | k\t: Mail is not at all like other services |
| 13:53.19 | k\t | well in laymans terms it's more like, forward ____ ports from router, start ____ daemon, config ____ , and be able to use/access your own server. |
| 13:53.27 | chops1 | k\t: (1) it's not a simple client/server architecture (2) there's such widespread abuse that there are a lot of sort of administrative hurdles to jump over to prove you're not up to no good before you'll be able to participate in any meaningful way |
| 13:53.45 | abrotman | he's on a dynamic IP .. he won't be sending useful mail anyway |
| 13:53.52 | chops1 | k\t: for "in layman's terms" read "in oversimplified terms" :-) |
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| 13:54.19 | k\t | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.17 | abrotman | k\t: is that port already open on your firewall/server ? |
| 13:55.33 | chops1 | k\t: It is very different; if you don't have a pressing need to you're better off sticking with your ISP-hosted mail configuration. If you do just want to learn, then that's fine, but the bar for learning how to operate a mailserver is higher than for just a web server or similar. |
| 13:55.35 | k\t | ok. so i don't know if i'm crazy or not so can you help me clear this up. I signed up with dyndns.org for a dynamic hostname and am wondering if i can use local account names appened with the ddns-name to get mail. |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | local account names? |
| 13:56.03 | chops1 | k\t: You can -- that's pretty straightforward. |
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| 13:56.22 | chops1 | k\t: Sending the mail out to the outside world is, as abrotman noted, often much more difficult. |
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| 13:56.51 | abrotman | chops1: i think you misunderstand what he's asking .. i think he's asking if he can use the dyndns name/ip on his internal network to send email |
| 13:56.54 | k\t | i've noticed. a few tests with random smtp servers denied acces when issuing " rcpt to: " |
| 13:57.03 | k\t | always some message about relaying/resolving. |
| 13:57.09 | chops1 | k\t: Yes |
| 13:57.25 | chops1 | k\t: They think you're much more likely to be a spammer than a mailserver that's worth listening to. |
| 13:57.34 | k\t | but mail from: was simple on most smtp servers... except yahoo/aol/google and so on.. their command set is different. |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | i said taht .. 10 minutes ago |
| 13:57.41 | k\t | hahahha |
| 13:58.02 | k\t | abrotman sooo sorry about that... |
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| 13:59.16 | k\t | well being more "legit" seems to be working more for me than trying to be elite... i've figured that in reality, i'd rather take the hack then trying to be one giving it... |
| 13:59.48 | k\t | that's commpletely unrelated but just more to my point. anywho, i gtg, cyaguys/thanks again. |
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| 14:03.07 | jamesstanley | Can anyone suggest an encoding format that comes with Debian FFMPEG that will produce videos that will work in Windows Media Player and that can have a non-standard framerate? |
| 14:03.11 | jamesstanley | Sound is not required |
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| 14:09.48 | abrotman | jamesstanley: WMP can play theora stuff with a plugin |
| 14:10.00 | abrotman | not sure about the non-standard FR |
| 14:10.20 | project2501a | insert your-mom joke here |
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| 14:12.55 | ntsasng | !help |
| 14:12.57 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/368203/ |
| 14:13.14 | ntsasng | i can't run open office |
| 14:13.52 | ntsasng | please help |
| 14:13.54 | ntsasng | :( |
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| 14:15.08 | chops1 | ntsasng: (a) Don't run openoffice as root (b) what version of Debian and OO? |
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| 14:16.21 | lenswipe_ | hey guys |
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| 14:16.27 | lenswipe_ | whats the best telnet server in the debian repos? |
| 14:16.29 | ntsasng | chops1: debian 5.0.4 lendy |
| 14:16.36 | ntsasng | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.37 | ntsasng | :) |
| 14:16.45 | themill | ntsasng: can you pastebin the output of: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*openoffice*' libc6 |
| 14:16.56 | lenswipe_ | anyone? |
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| 14:17.04 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe_ about best |
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| 14:17.45 | lenswipe_ | can someone point me in the direction of a telnet server that works out of the box and is available in the debian lenny repos |
| 14:18.11 | chops1 | lenswipe_: What's wrong with telnetd? |
| 14:18.25 | lenswipe_ | chops1: nothing :) |
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| 14:18.45 | lenswipe_ | chops1: i just didnt know it was in the lenny repos - im on a windoze machine right now at college so i cant check |
| 14:18.52 | themill | dpkg: tell lenswipe_ about search |
| 14:18.54 | ntsasng | themill: http://paste.ubuntu.com/368210/ |
| 14:19.05 | themill | lenswipe_: packages.debian.org is always available to you, as is judd. |
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| 14:20.58 | ntsasng | themill: ??? |
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| 14:21.56 | chops1 | ntsasng: What's apt-cache policy openoffice.org-bin say? |
| 14:22.23 | themill | ntsasng: I have no idea what you've done to your openoffice installation. |
| 14:22.44 | chops1 | ntsasng: Yes, that is not as it's supposed to be. openoffice.org-bin does not exist in Debian. |
| 14:23.01 | ntsasng | themill: http://paste.ubuntu.com/368213/ |
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| 14:24.56 | jez9999 | What is the 'lenny-volatile' repo for, and why do you comment it out if you're using squeeze sources? |
| 14:25.26 | themill | jez9999: (a) giyf, (b) the answer to (a) will tell you this, think about it. |
| 14:26.07 | ntsasng | themill: reinstall ??? |
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| 14:26.21 | ntsasng | themill: reinstall open office??? |
| 14:26.24 | keith4 | are there guidelines anywhere, for setting up a porterbox? |
| 14:26.26 | themill | ntsasng: I have no idea how you've managed to come to miss sections of these packages. I'd try "aptitude reinstall ~nopenoffice" and see if that helps. |
| 14:27.28 | jez9999 | themill: hmm, still slightly unsure on (b). is it because squeeze is just volatile by nature? |
| 14:27.36 | themill | yes |
| 14:27.41 | jez9999 | ok |
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| 14:31.24 | k-t| | well what i was _really_ trying to do was reply to email while in a program such as mutt... |
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| 14:32.57 | chops1 | k-t|: I would advise telling mutt about your ISP's SMTP server and how to send mail through it as opposed to fooling with getting your system mail sent over the internet |
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| 14:33.39 | k-t| | ahhhh, so basically deal with my real email. |
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| 14:34.29 | rm-rf | leverage your ISP provided smtp server to forward system messages to your gmail/yahoo account |
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| 14:36.37 | LimCore | hi, wat is going on with mysql? |
| 14:36.43 | LimCore | Lenny wants to downgrade it to 5.0.. wtf? |
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| 14:37.03 | LimCore | mysql-server-5.1: Depends: mysql-client-5.1 (>= 5.1.41-3) but it is not installable |
| 14:37.20 | babilen | judd: version mysql-server |
| 14:37.22 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 14:37.24 | themill | LimCore: mysql-server-5.1 isn't in lenny at all |
| 14:37.28 | babilen | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 14:37.30 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8 etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch11 etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1 sid: 5.1.41-1 lenny-backports: 5.1.41-3~bpo50+1 squeeze: 5.1.41-3 sid: 5.1.41-4 sid: 5.1.43-1 |
| 14:37.52 | babilen | LimCore: where did you install 5.1 from? |
| 14:38.19 | LimCore | normally via apt-get |
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| 14:38.31 | chops1 | LimCore: Can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 14:38.40 | chops1 | LimCore: And have you modified sources.list since you installed 5.1? |
| 14:38.42 | LimCore | hmm wait, there is squeeze also |
| 14:38.46 | babilen | LimCore: or rather the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:39.36 | LimCore | http://pastebin.ca/1777058 |
| 14:39.44 | LimCore | how to make debian install by default from lenny |
| 14:40.08 | chops1 | LimCore: Which do you want? squeeze or lenny? |
| 14:40.14 | themill | LimCore: I think you've just answered your own question then. If you *really* want mysql 5.1, then use backports.org. And get rid of squeeze from your sources.list as it's continually going to cause trouble. |
| 14:40.19 | LimCore | overall the mores stable one (lenny)? |
| 14:40.31 | chops1 | LimCore: Well, it sounds like you've got squeeze now, so you may not have the option of lenny (easily) anymore :-/ |
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| 14:40.42 | LimCore | but, afair, lenny have an remote exploit that is not being fixed (java / expat) so I had to get java from squeeze |
| 14:41.00 | themill | LimCore: CVE number? |
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| 14:41.14 | babilen | LimCore: Have you already installed a lot from squeeze? Can you paste the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" please .. |
| 14:41.30 | \amethyst | LimCore: which exploit? |
| 14:41.39 | chops1 | LimCore: (a) What are the details? (b) If you mix distros, you get problems, regardless of why you decided to... backports are the right way to do what you're trying to do, not mixing releases. |
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| 14:42.40 | k-t| | i guessing MX records are not free... |
| 14:42.46 | k-t| | im* |
| 14:42.48 | chops1 | k-t|: They are |
| 14:42.53 | k-t| | ! |
| 14:43.08 | chops1 | k-t|: You just have to talk to your DNS provider. |
| 14:43.18 | k-t| | hmm... |
| 14:43.29 | k-t| | even for an A/AAAA-record? |
| 14:44.00 | LimCore | themill: CVE-2009-2625 |
| 14:44.02 | chops1 | k-t|: What you're trying to do is going to be a lot easier if you have a static-IP server somewhere than setting up on your home machine (and it's certainly not the shortest path to getting you working email) |
| 14:44.21 | k-t| | =( |
| 14:44.25 | LimCore | babilen: http://pastebin.ca/1777066 |
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| 14:45.02 | \amethyst | LimCore: fixed in expat 2.0.1-4+lenny1 |
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| 14:45.11 | LimCore | themill: default installation of freenet on default Lenny warns that this version of java has known exploit. |
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| 14:45.38 | LimCore | \amethyst: are you sure> when this was fixed? around 2 months ago still it was not fully fixed |
| 14:45.46 | themill | LimCore: things that check version numbers generate many false postitives. |
| 14:45.46 | babilen | LimCore: Given that you already installed libc6 from squeeze i would recommend doing a full upgrade. Have a look at lenny's release notes - a lot of things in there apply for an upgrade to squeeze as well |
| 14:45.55 | chops1 | LimCore: Because of the way Debian does backported security patches, version tests often get the wrong answer when determining if something is vulnerable. |
| 14:46.10 | LimCore | beardy: will squeeze be stable enought for a LAMP server? with mysql and with pgsql? |
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| 14:46.25 | jamesstanley | Seeing as you can't get software patents in England, shouldn't the UK mirrors be able to include codecs that are patent-encumbered in America? |
| 14:46.34 | \amethyst | LimCore: there was another DOS (CVE-2009-3560) fixed in 2.0.1-4+lenny3 (December 29th) |
| 14:46.35 | LimCore | beardy: like, I can not afford for example having some stupid conflict ending in apache or sql not starting at all == downtime > 15 minutes |
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| 14:46.58 | babilen | LimCore: talking to me? |
| 14:47.03 | LimCore | babilen: yes |
| 14:47.03 | chops1 | LimCore: If you really can't afford that, then bite the bullet and downgrade back to lenny (probably via a reinstall) is my advice |
| 14:47.14 | LimCore | chops1: hmm actually, I cant reinstall. |
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| 14:47.22 | chops1 | LimCore: Yes you can. |
| 14:47.24 | themill | jamesstanley: your initial conjecture is not strictly correct and that's not what "mirror" means anyway. |
| 14:47.25 | LimCore | chops1: will squeeze give me trouble or probably not? what should I avoid |
| 14:47.28 | LimCore | chops1: no I cant, vps |
| 14:47.55 | babilen | LimCore: It already is to late. You are running a mixed system now and an upgrade to squeeze is much better than keeping the mess you have now. That does not mean that I would recommend running testing on a production system |
| 14:48.01 | chops1 | LimCore: We put a man on the moon. You can find a way to reinstall; it's an option. It's just a question of which option is going to be the best way forward. |
| 14:48.09 | LimCore | how to fully go to squeze then? |
| 14:48.16 | k-t| | you're right, everyone thinks im spamming... |
| 14:48.32 | LimCore | reports k-t| to bluecop filter |
| 14:48.35 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 14:48.35 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. |
| 14:48.54 | babilen | LimCore: Check the release notes (for lenny) as well ... |
| 14:48.58 | k-t| | oh crap, that scared me, i took that literally for a good 5 seconds. |
| 14:49.00 | LimCore | babilen: after that, my LAMP will remain working (for now)? |
| 14:49.04 | chops1 | LimCore: Really do /msg dpkg squeeze udev before you upgrade |
| 14:49.21 | LimCore | the system runs on virtualziation |
| 14:49.49 | chops1 | LimCore: Not necessarily -- testing does sometimes have problems. You may have to upgrade to a new major version in order to install an unrelated package. You may have trouble keeping up with security updates. Running a production server on testing is not fun. |
| 14:50.01 | LimCore | I will not be able to "reboot into new kernel" ... hmm actually Im not sure how do I upgrade kernels here |
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| 14:50.14 | chops1 | LimCore: Generally for a VPS you ignore the kernel part |
| 14:50.20 | BW^- | what's a /etc/sudoers command to make the www-data user be able to run /sbin/reboot like? |
| 14:50.23 | LimCore | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.37 | chops1 | LimCore: ... which is another reason not to upgrade to squeeze (I have no idea how the udev scenario plays out for your particular VPS situation) |
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| 14:50.50 | LimCore | facepalms |
| 14:50.53 | LimCore | !downgrade |
| 14:50.54 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 14:51.20 | LimCore | oh meh, I should just get a dedic server. |
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| 14:53.38 | abrotman | LimCore: msg the bot |
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| 14:56.33 | chops1 | LimCore: Depending on how much was upgraded, you may be able to downgrade selected packages to lenny and go from there... it's not ideal, but if it gets you a working system until squeeze releases, there's not much harm done |
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| 14:56.46 | babilen | libc6 is from squeeze |
| 14:56.53 | chops1 | LimCore: Can you check the dpkg log to see what all has been upgraded since you switched to the squeeze repo? |
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| 14:57.23 | chops1 | babilen: Yes, but if it's only libc6, mysql, java, er, xerces... um... it's probably a lot, yes. If it were only libc6 and wget or something that wouldn't be all that hard. |
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| 14:57.51 | LimCore | chops1: how to check that, what cmds? |
| 14:58.09 | chops1 | LimCore: When did you add the squeeze repos? |
| 14:58.13 | LimCore | that server is quite empty, just LAMP, mysql, pgsql, java, ejabberd |
| 14:58.26 | abrotman | doesn't sound very empty |
| 14:58.30 | LimCore | since then I installed probably only java, ejabbed |
| 14:58.32 | babilen | downgrading libc6 is not something *I* would do on a production system on which a downtime of > 15min is unacceptable ;-) ... But you are right a thorough analysis might provide some pointers |
| 14:59.05 | themill | !which repo |
| 14:59.05 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bpo list> |
| 14:59.11 | LimCore | well ok downtime of 2 h is ok, but I can not easly re-install system from scratch, nor make it unbootable |
| 14:59.15 | themill | LimCore: ^^ I'd use one of those to check where things have come from |
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| 15:00.16 | LimCore | 41 packages from squeeze |
| 15:00.23 | LimCore | mostly lib |
| 15:00.36 | babilen | Can you paste the list? |
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| 15:00.50 | chops1 | LimCore: Oof |
| 15:00.55 | LimCore | http://pastebin.ca/1777085 |
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| 15:01.28 | LimCore | I dont need host DNS server, I can remove bind probalby |
| 15:01.38 | LimCore | I can remove java and odbc for now |
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| 15:01.44 | LimCore | and tor |
| 15:01.52 | LimCore | so only libs, and mysql |
| 15:01.57 | LimCore | are packages I would need to downgrade |
| 15:02.33 | chops1 | LimCore: Do you have backups? |
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| 15:02.53 | LimCore | data is backedup |
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| 15:03.54 | chops1 | LimCore: What about the system itself? |
| 15:04.21 | babilen | apparently not |
| 15:04.24 | LimCore | doing full re-install is bad since its not my box, so I would like a way that will not make system not able to boot itself |
| 15:04.48 | LimCore | should I just aptiture remove not needed things from the list above, and then downgrade the mysql and the libs? |
| 15:05.05 | babilen | good luck with libc6 :-\ |
| 15:05.20 | LimCore | why? |
| 15:05.26 | chops1 | LimCore: I would remove and reinstall mysql, quite honestly (using mysqldump to migrate the data). I would not advise downgrading mysql. |
| 15:05.43 | LimCore | chops1: ok. and what about the libs that are now feom squeeze? |
| 15:06.07 | LimCore | what would be the command to downgrade this libs to lenny? |
| 15:06.18 | themill | LimCore: mysql is fairly easy to deal with as mysql-5.1 from lenny-backports is available |
| 15:06.24 | chops1 | LimCore: libc6 it might honestly be better to leave at an intermediate version until squeeze releases; you might want to watch for security advisories on libc6 and think about upgrading or downgrading it if something comes out that you really need to worry about |
| 15:06.30 | chops1 | themill: Oh, good point |
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| 15:07.25 | babilen | LimCore: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 15:08.06 | babilen | LimCore: And remove most of the unneeded programs from that list. Downgrade (hopefully) and install mysql 5.1 from backports |
| 15:08.18 | babilen | !tell LimCore -about bpo |
| 15:10.07 | abrotman | chops1: uhm .. no, he shouldn't leave libc6 .. it would be unsupported and possibly a security risk |
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| 15:10.32 | LimCore | can't I do something like.. aptitude reinstall libfoo -t lenn |
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| 15:10.50 | themill | LimCore: reinstall does exactly that; it doesn't change the version |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | LimCore: you'll have to force a downgrade |
| 15:11.32 | themill | LimCore: /msg dpkg partial downgrade ; cross fingers ; hope |
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| 15:11.50 | babilen | either by adjusting the priorities (see unstable->testing / partial downgrade) or manually with dpkg -i |
| 15:11.53 | NoReflex | hey guys! what's with the deinstall state of a package? dpkg --get-selections | grep post returns : postgresql-8.3 deinstall |
| 15:12.02 | penguin | I have a hosed Windows computer, So I started Knoppix on it, attached 250 G my passport and Knoppix can see the drive but will not let me write to it. |
| 15:12.10 | chops1 | abrotman: (a) Downgrades are unsupported, too (b) He's going to have an easier time securing a lenny system with a squeeze libc6 than he will securing a production squeeze system |
| 15:12.12 | NoReflex | normally if I remove a package it doesn't appear in the list anymore |
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| 15:12.31 | LimCore | after redaing this messages from bot, can a command in CLI downgrade 1 package (and possibly auto-downgrade more)? other then using aptitude UI |
| 15:12.51 | LimCore | and other then dpkg -i on manually downloaded file |
| 15:13.10 | \amethyst | NoReflex: what does dpkg -l postgresql-8.3 say? rc? |
| 15:13.47 | Ogmios_ | penguin: what file system is on the passport? |
| 15:13.52 | \amethyst | NoReflex: It's marked to be removed; the actual state (second character in dpkg -l) will tell you the current state, which is probably 'conffiles only' |
| 15:14.12 | \amethyst | NoReflex: meaning, since it has conffiles, you have to purge it to remove the package entirely |
| 15:14.14 | penguin | I have no idea |
| 15:14.26 | penguin | I don't have user permsission to write to it. |
| 15:14.33 | NoReflex | \amethyst: dpkg -l postgresql-8.3 |
| 15:14.34 | NoReflex | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 15:14.34 | NoReflex | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 15:14.34 | NoReflex | |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 15:14.34 | NoReflex | ||/ Name Version Description |
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| 15:14.47 | penguin | I am trying to be careful here as I dont want to screw up my data on the main drive. |
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| 15:15.06 | \amethyst | NoReflex: the last line is the only one that matters |
| 15:15.06 | themill | dpkg: tell NoReflex about paste |
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| 15:15.28 | \amethyst | penguin: is it mounted? the command 'mount' will tell you what fs type is being used |
| 15:15.53 | penguin | It must be mounted as it shows an icon. |
| 15:16.01 | Arrowmaster | penguin: is it ntfs? if so is it mounted as ntfs or ntfs-3g |
| 15:16.04 | \amethyst | penguin: so run the program 'mount' from the command line |
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| 15:16.22 | NoReflex | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/58567/ |
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| 15:16.55 | themill | NoReflex: he \amethyst didn't actually want to see the output anyway... the intention was for you to look at it yourself. |
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| 15:17.17 | \amethyst | NoReflex: so it is as I thought |
| 15:17.36 | saintk | Hi, i have applied the Debian 5.0.4 update without installing a new kernel. Am i required to reboot the system in order for all patches to be applied correctly, or is a reboot not required if not asked for ? |
| 15:17.36 | \amethyst | NoReflex: it's in 'config-files-only' state, because it has to be purged to be completely gone |
| 15:17.42 | penguin | media type fuse |
| 15:17.48 | penguin | I guess it is not mounted |
| 15:17.49 | \amethyst | NoReflex: this doesn't happen for some packages, because they don't have conffiles |
| 15:17.50 | babilen | LimCore: You can also pin packages to a priority higher than 1000 (i.e. 1001) - but beware: "dragons's be here" |
| 15:18.44 | NoReflex | \amethyst: can I "force" it somehow? |
| 15:18.56 | themill | NoReflex: /msg dpkg purge |
| 15:19.22 | babilen | NoReflex: Probably "aptitude purge ~c" (but check first) |
| 15:19.26 | NoReflex | themill: I already tried apt-get --purge remove postgrsql-8.3 but it returned : Package postgresql-8.3 is not installed, so not removed |
| 15:19.35 | themill | NoReflex: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 15:20.00 | \amethyst | NoReflex: apt-get doesn't give a way to purge an already-removed package; aptitude and dpkg do. The factoid would tell you this |
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| 15:20.48 | Arrowmaster | penguin: i dont really have any experience with using ntfs partitions on linux but im fairly certain youve got an ntfs partition and it being listed as fuse means ntfs-3g is being used so it should be possible to write to the drive, this is likely just a permission problem if the mount command also says rw on that line and not ro |
| 15:21.28 | NoReflex | aptitude purge postgresql-8.3 did the trick; thx guys |
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| 15:22.51 | penguin | mount shows RO |
| 15:23.05 | Ogmios_ | penguin: well there ya go |
| 15:23.06 | penguin | So I have to figure out how to change that. |
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| 15:23.49 | penguin | I like it that dev/sda2 is also RO |
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| 15:24.27 | Arrowmaster | thats probably about as much help as you will get in here since you are using a 'based on debian' instead of 'debian', we dont know all the exact details of what you are using |
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| 15:46.11 | macsim | except ip_forward and route add is there anything else I should check about routing on debian ? |
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| 15:50.32 | lunks | Hi, I have a linux server which is currently my firewall. I have a RDP server inside the network I want to get into. I'd like to do it through SSH port, redirect, but I'm not sure how to do this. How can I redirect 192.168.1.2:3389 to localhost:3389 on this server? |
| 15:53.28 | jelly | lunks: ssh -L 3389:192.168.1.2:3389 linux-server |
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| 15:53.59 | jelly | that will redirect it to your machine though, not that remote linux-server |
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| 15:54.44 | lunks | jelly, hmm can I redirect to the linux server? Assuming it can accept connections from other hosts than my own. |
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| 15:55.02 | jelly | more precisely, it will listen for connections on your machine's locahost:3389 and pass that to remote 192.168.1.2:3389 via the tunnel to linux-server |
| 15:56.44 | jelly | lunks: if you already can ssh to your linux machien from the outside, and you can "telnet 192.168.1.2 3389" from that linux machine, there's no need to expose anything any further |
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| 15:57.29 | NoReflex | Does anyone know a tool that would allow me to "publish" the stats for a machine to a webpage (cpu load, system load, disk usage, etc)? The webpage should look similarly to the bandwidth graph in DD-WRT - once every 5 seconds would probably be enough. |
| 15:58.09 | lunks | jelly, it's because I'd like to use this on more than one computer, and don't want to setup every single client |
| 15:58.12 | NoReflex | I tried munin but the updates are slow and not refreshed on the webpage automatically |
| 15:58.39 | jelly | lunks: then use iptables to set up NAT on that linux machine |
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| 15:59.23 | jelly | well, not nat, forwarding |
| 15:59.51 | jelly | lunks: it could also be done without iptables, using a tool like redir |
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| 16:00.50 | NoReflex | also there's no need for stats logging - only live viewing...something similar to Gnome's System Monitor on "X-enabled" systems |
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| 16:04.18 | aarkerio | hi! for Intel(R) Xeon(R) must I use linux-image-2-686 kernel? |
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| 17:29.31 | penguin | Should I format this stinking hdd or not? |
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| 17:29.45 | penguin | external my passport WD |
| 17:29.47 | unicoder | does the netinst CD have a method of resizing my windows partition? |
| 17:29.53 | unicoder | currently XP is taking up the whole disk |
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| 17:30.14 | unicoder | do I really need to get knoppix to fix that, or can I do it from inside netinst? |
| 17:30.23 | acu | penguin: what do you run ? just run conqueror as root and see if you can see the content - it maybe only priviledges |
| 17:30.33 | acu | penguin: do you have kde ? |
| 17:30.34 | RS_ | ermm any idea what driver i'd have to use to use a via 6421 based sata card? |
| 17:30.43 | RS_ | i can't believe debian doesn't recognize it by default... |
| 17:30.45 | frostschutz | tuvwx: you're talking about file encryption or ssh logins? obviously to decrypt a file you need a key, but if it's just for ssh you can usually give every client machine its own key (and thus if you lose your netbook remove the netbook key from authorized_keys) |
| 17:30.55 | jhutchins_lt | penguin: How is it formatted now? What problem are you having? If it's just a matter of not being able to write to it as a user, it's probably just automounting read-only. |
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| 17:31.16 | acu | unicoder: it may have - but I always use KNoppix - with QTParted or Gparted - they both working in shrinking the windoes partition |
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| 17:31.52 | frostschutz | tuvwx: the more copies of a key you have the higher the risk of losing a copy and then you can go exchange keys everywhere :-/ |
| 17:31.55 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Konqueror as root is not a very good idea. |
| 17:32.38 | penguin | It does automount read only so I unmounted, checked the read write boxes and then mounted it again. |
| 17:32.40 | acu | jhutchins, might not be a good idea but it sure works :) |
| 17:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | unicoder: I don't have windows any more, but linux installers have been able to re-size windows partitions for a long time now. You shouldn't need a seperate tool. |
| 17:33.18 | unicoder | jhutchins_lt: sweet, noted :) |
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| 17:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | penguin: And? |
| 17:35.17 | jhutchins_lt | penguin: Reformatting is not going to help that. |
| 17:35.58 | penguin | So what is the solution? |
| 17:36.00 | jhutchins_lt | acu: Many things in linux may appear to work until they bite you. |
| 17:36.07 | acu | so I have a 750 GB hard disk and planing to install a web and mail server the following is the partitioning scheme I think to implement /boot 100MB / 40 GB, /home 30 GB /var 30 GB /var/mail 10 GB /var/www the rest ? |
| 17:36.19 | acu | jhutchins, byte |
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| 17:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | penguin: Well, I'd put an entry in fstab with the correct options. Which I'd probably look up to make sure I got the right ones for Debian. |
| 17:36.34 | jelly | acu: use lvm and allocate when you need it |
| 17:37.16 | jelly | acu: also, why separate /home and /var/mail? Join them and use the same quota. |
| 17:37.28 | acu | jelly: I am not yet comfortable to rescue a system with lvm - though I would love and do soon - this I want it somehow to work :) |
| 17:37.56 | jelly | acu: make /boot a proper partition, not lvm, the rest should be a-ok |
| 17:38.02 | penguin | I'm using Knoppix |
| 17:38.08 | acu | jelly: indeed perhaps a quota |
| 17:38.16 | acu | is a good ideea |
| 17:38.18 | penguin | Is there a Debian thingy that does Knoppix? |
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| 17:39.08 | acu | penguin whats a thingy - be clear what do you want - Knoppix and Debian are the same - use QTparted or GParted to shrink windows partition |
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| 17:39.47 | acu | jelly: how to you best rescue a lvm ? |
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| 17:40.27 | themill | penguin: have you asked in #knoppix? |
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| 17:41.04 | acu | jelly: of for /var/mail I want to have it on its own because I will have users who do not have local account |
| 17:41.23 | Kobaz | okay, so i'm on a network that's using lldp for vlan assignments, how would i view the lldp assignment that i get in linux |
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| 17:41.48 | acu | penguin: I forgot exactly but it is there some on Knoppix- some extra, preferences some weird place they put Gparted -but is in the menu |
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| 17:44.16 | acu | themill, jelly, jhutchins_lt and frostschutz thank you all - have a nice day |
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| 17:44.49 | yawnto | hi there, I've been struggling with the latest kernel update which broke the alsa compatibility of envy24control (from the alsa-tools-gui package). I tried compiling it from the sources, but keep getting the message " 'AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library" when trying to run ./configure. automake and autoconf are both installed, in every available version. any hints? searching the forums and google turned up nothing. |
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| 17:46.18 | greedo | themill: what is the command? |
| 17:46.26 | themill | greedo: what's the output of "type -a lpr" |
| 17:46.38 | themill | makes greedo turn on channel logging |
| 17:46.42 | Oins | i have here several debian client and one LDAP Server. Is it possible for me as user to find out at which clients i'm already logged in? |
| 17:46.51 | greedo | just laughs |
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| 17:47.02 | sepult | yawnto: aclocal |
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| 17:47.29 | yawnto | sepult, yeah, aclocal throws the same error |
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| 17:47.54 | sepult | yawnto: maybe you lack some of the libs ? |
| 17:48.04 | sepult | yawnto: or the path to the lib is not set ? |
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| 17:48.30 | sepult | yawnto: how did yo compile ? |
| 17:48.36 | Oins | cause, sometimes i forget to log out and like to logout later via ssh... but how can i find out which machine it was |
| 17:48.39 | greedo | themill: lpr is /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 17:48.55 | greedo | lpr is /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 17:49.03 | sepult | yawnto: autoconf, then autoupdate |
| 17:49.11 | greedo | lpr is /usr/bin/X11/lpr |
| 17:49.43 | yawnto | sepult, still the same error |
| 17:50.10 | yawnto | sepult, i downloaded the sources from alsa-project.org, extracted them and tried runnig ./configure in the dir of envy24control |
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| 17:50.53 | sepult | yawnto: did you read the readme or INSTALL files ? |
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| 17:51.26 | yawnto | sepult, sure, that was the first thing I did. quote: Needs ALSA, GTK+, an Envy24-based soundcard |
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| 17:51.37 | sepult | yawnto: most of the time there are hints how to compile things, and which version of autotools are you using ? |
| 17:51.39 | yawnto | sepult, i'm pretty sure i have all three ;) |
| 17:51.48 | themill | greedo: I've never seen old lpr show a qt-based dialogue box before. |
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| 17:51.59 | yawnto | sepult, automake is 1.11.1 |
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| 17:52.09 | sepult | yawnto: i would recommend the compatible one 2.6.13 or so |
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| 17:53.32 | yawnto | sepult, same error running autoconf2.64: configure.in:18: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK |
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| 17:54.20 | greedo | themill: maybe it's using cups? |
| 17:54.39 | themill | greedo: not according to what you said about which package owned /usr/bin/lpr |
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| 17:55.14 | greedo | themill: i ssh -X user@host |
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| 17:56.01 | greedo | then lpr -P printer |
| 17:56.25 | sepult` | yawnto: err |
| 17:56.31 | sepult` | yawnto: have you got autotools-dev ? |
| 17:56.46 | yawnto | sepult`, yes sir |
| 17:57.02 | acu | what is difference between trunk and a normal kernel ? - I have squeeze and it seem that we run a trunk |
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| 17:57.42 | themill | dpkg: tell acu about kernel abi |
| 17:57.52 | silidan | hi, i understand i can start 2 xsessions when having 2 monitors, but can i also make each xsession use a specific mouse and a specific keyboard? (howto, tutorial maybe?)? |
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| 17:59.31 | babilen | silidan: there was a long thread about that on d-u some time ago ... "Two computers in one: two users each with their own accounts, monitor, and keyboard?" |
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| 18:00.13 | babilen | silidan: I haven't read it completely, but I am sure that you find some pointers in there |
| 18:01.08 | NoReflex | Does anyone know a tool that would allow me to "publish" the stats for a machine to a webpage (cpu load, system load, disk usage, etc)? The webpage should look similarly to the bandwidth graph in DD-WRT - once every 5 seconds would probably be enough. |
| 18:01.25 | babilen | please don't cross post :-D |
| 18:01.27 | abrotman | NoReflex: you were told munin two days ago |
| 18:01.55 | yawnto | NoReflex, or try cacti |
| 18:01.59 | NoReflex | abrotman: munin isn't live |
| 18:02.05 | rm-rf | cacti is |
| 18:02.17 | abrotman | you said publish .. |
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| 18:02.48 | NoReflex | abrotman: may publish isn't the best way to describe it |
| 18:02.49 | schmack | what is the name of package named in lenny 5.0.4 ? |
| 18:03.04 | rm-rf | schmack: bind9 |
| 18:03.07 | schmack | 10x |
| 18:03.12 | NoReflex | yawnto: checking cacti now |
| 18:03.16 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: backports |
| 18:03.16 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:03.20 | schmack | rm-rf 10x 10x :) |
| 18:03.24 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: lenny backports |
| 18:03.25 | dpkg | The_Eccentric: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:03.27 | daharon | Hello. I am trying to consolidate 3 cron jobs into a single one. The 3 jobs work together to run a script every 2 min from 8:30 to 11:30. I want this all to be done on one crontab line. I can't figure out the minutes part, though. Any tips? |
| 18:03.28 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: lennybackports |
| 18:03.29 | dpkg | The_Eccentric: no idea |
| 18:03.34 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: lenny-backports |
| 18:03.35 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
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| 18:04.01 | schmack | someone to know a kde4 for apt-get? |
| 18:04.19 | schmack | i can't remember a old address kde4.. .. .net or something |
| 18:04.37 | schmack | four sources lst i mean |
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| 18:05.34 | babilen | NoReflex: You could also check ganglia - http://monitor.millennium.berkeley.edu/ + http://ganglia.info/ But that is aimed at clusters and grids |
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| 18:06.08 | NoReflex | babilen: I need cacti for about 4-5 machines in my LAN |
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| 18:06.19 | babilen | !tell The_Eccentric -about msg the bot |
| 18:06.34 | yawnto | NoReflex, what about nagios? that would even give you reporting and error notifications |
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| 18:07.18 | NoReflex | yawnto: I've heard of nagios .. that it's hard to setup; does it have Live graphs? |
| 18:07.53 | rm-rf | if everything were easy... |
| 18:07.57 | NoReflex | yawnto: is there a demo of the live graphs in cacti or ganglia, or nagios? |
| 18:07.57 | yawnto | NoReflex, its not that hard... i found cacti harder back in the days... |
| 18:08.18 | daharon | NoReflex, use NConf to config nagios. |
| 18:08.22 | daharon | easier |
| 18:08.40 | daharon | Anyone here a crontab expert? |
| 18:08.40 | NoReflex | daharon: does nagios support live graphs? |
| 18:09.02 | daharon | NoReflex, not that I'm aware of. It doesn't work like that. |
| 18:09.14 | daharon | NoReflex, google snmp. |
| 18:09.23 | abrotman | NoReflex: the cacti website has some samples .. |
| 18:10.11 | daharon | I have a challenge for anyone who is interested in cron jobs... |
| 18:10.13 | daharon | it's above. |
| 18:10.35 | yawnto | sepult, never mind, I fixed it using the gnome-alsa-mixer... now the card works again. |
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| 18:11.17 | yawnto | daharon, make the minutes part */2 |
| 18:11.40 | daharon | yawnto, and then the hour part 8-11? |
| 18:11.43 | silidan | babilen: thanks, i think it helped me alittle further... just need to play around with xorg.conf it seems... |
| 18:11.53 | karlpinc | daharon: Have you tried reading "man 5 crontab"? |
| 18:11.56 | daharon | yawnto, the problem is that 30 part |
| 18:12.09 | yawnto | daharon, seriously, man 5 crontab |
| 18:12.12 | babilen | silidan: good luck :-D |
| 18:12.13 | daharon | karlpinc, yes. I can't figure out the minutes part though. 8:30 - 11:30 |
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| 18:13.00 | daharon | what would you do? 0-28/2,30-58/2 ? |
| 18:13.04 | greedo | themill: i'll show you a screenshot |
| 18:13.10 | daharon | I'm trying to fit all this on a single crontab line. |
| 18:13.14 | daharon | right now its on 3 |
| 18:13.46 | frostschutz | personally I prefer three easy to understand crontab lines over one helluva complicated one :) |
| 18:13.49 | yawnto | daharon, try listing the minutes like 30,32,34,... |
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| 18:14.12 | yawnto | frostschutz, ack |
| 18:14.15 | daharon | yawnto, theres no diff between 30,32,34 and 30-58/2 |
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| 18:15.10 | daharon | the reason I need to get this into a single line is because I'm putting these cron jobs into Chef. so 3 ruby blocks is worse then one when there are other cron jobs taking up screen space. |
| 18:15.12 | sparr | Is there a way to keep the forcedeth driver from assigning a random MAC every time I reboot when it thinks my NIC's MAC is invalid? |
| 18:15.38 | karlpinc | daharon: You may be stuck with 3 lines, unless you run for complete hours and put your 3 sub-commands in a script that just does nothing for the halfhour on the endpoints of the time interval. |
| 18:15.56 | jhutchins_lt | daharon: What is it you're trying to do agian? |
| 18:16.22 | frostschutz | jhutchins_lt: run script every 2 mins from 8:30-11:30 |
| 18:16.22 | karlpinc | !tell sparr about forcedeth |
| 18:16.39 | daharon | karlpinc, yeah, I think you might be right. |
| 18:16.43 | karlpinc | !tell sparr about forcedeth mac |
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| 18:17.24 | sparr | karlpinc: while extremely useful to the situation I find myself in, which I thank you for, that isn't quite an answer to the question i asked |
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| 18:18.01 | mike-burns | daharon: If you're generating it from Ruby, use one of the many Ruby cron libraries to generate sometihng ugly for you, which you'll never need to look at or edit. |
| 18:18.02 | frostschutz | daharon: why do you have three lines anyway, can you nopaste them? |
| 18:18.03 | karlpinc | sparr: True. |
| 18:18.28 | karlpinc | sparr: Unfortunatly, I only know how to invoke factoids. ;-) |
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| 18:18.33 | daharon | mike-burns, thats a good idea. I'll look into it. |
| 18:18.37 | daharon | frostschutz, one sec. |
| 18:18.51 | mike-burns | daharon: http://github.com/javan/whenever/ |
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| 18:19.22 | limpio | hi, what's the command to find info about the processor, etc? |
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| 18:19.37 | NoReflex | limpio: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:19.57 | limpio | NoReflex, thanks buddy |
| 18:20.01 | NoReflex | ;) |
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| 18:20.26 | sparr | karlpinc: at least you didn't say "upgrade your kernel just in case it was fixed recently"... drives me nuts when people use that answer even after i tell them it's been an open kernel bug for like 4 years |
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| 18:21.49 | daharon | frostschutz, my cron jobs right now: http://gist.github.com/293848 |
| 18:22.25 | cheako | Is there any reason why tools like iptraf see all the traffic for all vlan(s) on a tagged interface? |
| 18:22.26 | karlpinc | sparr: Firmware is as firmware does. :) |
| 18:22.38 | frostschutz | daharon: you can kill the third one if you make the above 8-10 and 9-11 |
| 18:22.55 | daharon | frostschutz, yes. but for marketing reasons I can't. |
| 18:23.00 | frostschutz | heh :) |
| 18:23.21 | frostschutz | who has marketing reasons for cron jobs... |
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| 18:23.44 | daharon | frostschutz, ha. the people who pay my salary... |
| 18:24.04 | karlpinc | cheako: Probably because they use libpcap, the point of which is to monitor whatever the nic sees on the wire. |
| 18:24.05 | daharon | it just bothers me that there are three lines... |
| 18:24.10 | frostschutz | it'll still call the same thing from 8:30-11:30 |
| 18:24.18 | frostschutz | with two lines |
| 18:24.29 | frostschutz | I don't think it can be done in one line |
| 18:24.31 | daharon | frostschutz, yeah. good point. |
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| 18:25.01 | daharon | I'm going to try this "whenever" rubygem and see if it can do it for me. |
| 18:25.14 | frostschutz | you could let cron run in a timezone that's offset by 30 minutes and then define a job for 8-11 |
| 18:25.42 | daharon | ha! that's a good one. I have many other cron jobs, though. |
| 18:25.44 | frostschutz | the ruby generator will create lots of ugly cron job rules for you, more than 3 lines ;) |
| 18:25.56 | daharon | frostschutz, oh. |
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| 18:26.05 | daharon | Fine. Two lines it is. |
| 18:26.08 | cheako | karlpinc: Then how come there are no options to filter these? |
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| 18:26.15 | frostschutz | generators won't help you, they just virtualize the crontab away from you to some generator config file thats easy to read |
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| 18:26.26 | zak | hi anyone can help me please |
| 18:26.30 | frostschutz | daharon: a more powerful crond would be what you want then, but... well :) |
| 18:26.44 | daharon | frostschutz, actually. I'm open to that. |
| 18:26.54 | sparr | karlpinc: anyway, that factoid is out of date (as are the comments and documentation on those udev scripts). thanks for trying |
| 18:26.58 | daharon | that is something I actually do have control over. |
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| 18:27.03 | zak | i have a 250GB HDD, and i am going to replace by a 750 GB HDD , shall i made some change in fstab ?howto mount it |
| 18:27.46 | frostschutz | daharon: I don't know any :) |
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| 18:31.30 | karlpinc | cheako: Filtering is up to the application. Perhaps use tcpdump directly if your capture program of choice won't filter for you. |
| 18:31.50 | karlpinc | zak: You want to keep the old drive and add the new, or completely replace it? |
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| 18:32.15 | cheako | karlpinc: Yes, tcpdump does not have options to filter vlans. |
| 18:32.57 | zak | karlpinc: completetly replace it |
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| 18:33.19 | cheako | I'm trying to verify my vlan configuration, it's not enough for me to just to get every thing working... I need to see everything else fail to work. |
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| 18:34.26 | simonrvn | !fail cheako |
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| 18:34.34 | simonrvn | fail me |
| 18:34.40 | zak | karlpinc: ? |
| 18:35.20 | cheako | simonrvn? |
| 18:35.26 | karlpinc | cheako: You may be right, but I'd have to guess not. It's a question of where the bits are set... There may be another name for the same bits. |
| 18:36.30 | karlpinc | zak: You partition the new drive, make filesystems, tar or cp the old filesystems to the new ones. Then install grub on the new drive. That's the summary. |
| 18:36.44 | cheako | karlpinc: That sounds about right. I just though since it seams like such a common thing to want to look at that it would be an easy thing to do. |
| 18:37.16 | karlpinc | cheako: Time to read the vlan rfc and check what's where. |
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| 18:39.00 | jok3r | greets, i'm trying to do an etch to lenny upgrade but it fails trying to configure python. when i try to reconfigure python it fails again |
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| 18:40.19 | cheako | I wonder if what I'm trying to do will work at all. I have non-managed switches and I'd like to use a vlan for my local/secure network. At the same time one host needs to access the DSL modem. What I did was tag all the traffic and this worked, untagged and tagged traffic successfully segmented my network... That is I had hosts that could not talk to echother. |
| 18:40.59 | jok3r | http://pastebin.com/m193495b9 |
| 18:41.05 | jok3r | that's the dpkg spitout when i try to configure python |
| 18:41.09 | The_Eccentric | anyone got compiz to work on intel graphics card, on laptop , with xfce4??? |
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| 18:41.50 | zak | karlpinc: any idea? |
| 18:43.08 | cheako | Even though I only have a single broadcast domain I get the feeling that I have two networks. |
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| 18:44.27 | cheako | The DSL modem looks to be running Linux and I'm telneting into it. I can't configure VLANS, but it's routing not bridging things so there is no way any one can use my vlan w/o first cracking the modem. |
| 18:44.50 | abrotman | The_Eccentric: why doesn't it work for you ? |
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| 18:45.00 | cheako | Not as secure as I'd like, but for now it'll do. |
| 18:45.13 | cheako | I wonder if I can pick up a cheep switch that can do vlans? |
| 18:45.50 | cheako | I only need 3 port vlan switch, currently I have two 5 port switches. |
| 18:46.03 | jok3r | does anyone know why dpkg fails to configure python correctly after the upgrade? |
| 18:46.06 | therealgalen | I'm using the latest debian testing and I am looking for openssl headers... i don't see them in synaptic... am i going crazy? something like openssl-dev or libopenssl-dev ? |
| 18:46.18 | themill | jok3r: have you edited files to do with python-reportlab at some stage? e.g. in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/reportlab/ |
| 18:46.29 | jok3r | themill, nope |
| 18:46.35 | jok3r | this is all from base install |
| 18:46.46 | jok3r | originally of etch, now upgrading to lenny |
| 18:47.14 | jok3r | i found posts finding that python would fail to configure if other things were failed to be configured first, like spe or piviti, but neither of these packages was ever installed |
| 18:47.41 | therealgalen | ah... i think it's libssl-dev? |
| 18:47.49 | themill | jok3r: can you pastebin the output of: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*reportlab*' python-central |
| 18:47.59 | jok3r | themill, absolutely |
| 18:48.41 | jok3r | http://pastebin.com/m624ccd7f |
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| 18:49.18 | themill | blames python-central on principle |
| 18:49.28 | jok3r | hmm |
| 18:49.51 | jok3r | i'll try reconfiguring python-central |
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| 18:50.30 | themill | jok3r: the output of "aptitude -f install" might be handy |
| 18:50.44 | jok3r | themill, i have that handy if you'd like |
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| 18:52.26 | jok3r | themill, same errors after reconfiguring python-central |
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| 18:52.47 | lenswipe | guys |
| 18:52.55 | lenswipe | is there such a thing as samba proxying? |
| 18:53.07 | jok3r | lenswipe, have you heard of PAM? |
| 18:53.10 | lenswipe | for example server a and server b |
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| 18:53.36 | lenswipe | i want users to connect to server a but some of the shares are actually on server b but can be mapped from server a |
| 18:53.58 | lenswipe | eg the client goes \\SERVERA\share but share is actually stored on serverb and is being proxied by samba |
| 18:54.01 | lenswipe | is that workable? |
| 18:54.05 | karlpinc | zak: You partition the new drive, make filesystems, tar or cp the old filesystems to the new ones. Then install grub on the new drive. That's the summary. |
| 18:54.09 | lenswipe | jok3r: and yes ive heard of PAM :) |
| 18:54.24 | jok3r | lenswipe, you can use an apache pam module and use servera as a reverse proxy for serverb |
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| 18:54.34 | themill | jok3r: horrid. You could try removing that package and reinstalling it... I have a feeling you might end up cleaning up after pycentral by hand. (gtg now... good luck with it) |
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| 18:54.46 | jok3r | themill, i was hoping not, thanks though |
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| 18:54.49 | karlpinc | zak: And if your partitions change you'll probably have to update fstab. |
| 18:54.56 | lenswipe | aggh! i keep leaving the wron channel |
| 18:55.01 | lenswipe | jok3r: what was that sorry? |
| 18:55.04 | jok3r | jok3r> lenswipe, you can use an apache pam module and use servera as a reverse proxy for serverb |
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| 18:55.23 | lenswipe | jok3r: except its not web proxying i want its SMB proxying |
| 18:55.27 | Morg0th | hello, I have a problem with my console, I'm using rxvt-unicode but I also tried with xterm and gnome-terminal, the accents and the special characters doesn't appear. I just doesn't appear with urxvt and xterm, and with gnome-terminal I get a ? |
| 18:55.38 | jok3r | lenswipe, you can set up apache to only allow intranet proxying |
| 18:55.42 | lenswipe | so the clients only talk to server a rather than having to talk to different servers for different things |
| 18:55.48 | lenswipe | jok3r: you mean like SMB proxying? |
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| 18:56.04 | jok3r | lenswipe, you authenticate using smb but proxy using apache that way |
| 18:56.26 | lenswipe | jok3r: yeah i dont wana proxy HTTP traffic though, i want to proxy SMB shares |
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| 18:56.50 | jok3r | lenswipe, i dont know of a package or module for that specifically, but it probably exists |
| 18:56.56 | lenswipe | probably |
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| 18:57.01 | jok3r | lenswipe, there's also NFS |
| 18:57.16 | lenswipe | jok3r: which winblows isnt compatable with... |
| 18:57.18 | lenswipe | hence SMB |
| 18:57.23 | jok3r | yar :\ |
| 18:57.40 | jok3r | lenswipe, it's for exactly this reason that we started using http and apache |
| 18:57.50 | lenswipe | jok3r: well if you think of it this way, say youve got 5 servers - its kinda messy to have the client authenticate with each one and it generates unneccecary network traffic |
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| 18:58.04 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Why would you proxy? How would that be different that simply masquerading or static natting the traffic? |
| 18:58.07 | lenswipe | jok3r: far better if the client could talk to one server and that one server could do all the talking to the other servers |
| 18:58.09 | jok3r | lenswipe, you can forward authen using the pam modules |
| 18:58.22 | lenswipe | jok3r: im not trying to forward the auth - im trying to proxy the SMB shares |
| 18:58.38 | jok3r | hmm, not sure, sorry |
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| 18:58.45 | lenswipe | jok3r: thanks anyway |
| 18:58.47 | karlpinc | lenswipe: I see. |
| 18:58.58 | lenswipe | next question: is it possible to symlink between servers? |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | lenswipe: FWIW, windows can do NFS |
| 18:59.20 | Morg0th | anyone can help me with my problem with special characters? the strange thing is that it worked when I just installed debian and it only happens in the consoles and not in graphical programs (like gedit or others) |
| 18:59.23 | lenswipe | abrotman: but not very well |
| 18:59.28 | jelly-hme | abrotman: at least some of them |
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| 18:59.40 | jok3r | yah, i dunno about NFS over winblows |
| 18:59.48 | lenswipe | i have a fileserver and a tomcat server, the fileserver has usermin installed on it and i want users to be able to just dump things into their usermin and have it put onto the tomcat server transparently |
| 18:59.48 | karlpinc | Morg0th: I may have seen something on the debian wiki.... |
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| 19:00.08 | lenswipe | ^is that possible?^ |
| 19:00.14 | jok3r | lenswipe, i'd use apache |
| 19:00.20 | lenswipe | hmm k |
| 19:00.23 | jok3r | and do it over http(s) |
| 19:00.28 | lenswipe | jok3r: any ideas about my other question? |
| 19:00.38 | jok3r | lenswipe, nope, i still dont know how to proxy smb shares ;p |
| 19:00.50 | lenswipe | jok3r: that one up there isnt about SMB shares |
| 19:00.52 | karlpinc | lenswipe: You might be able to wack up something with incron. |
| 19:00.54 | lenswipe | 2 different questions |
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| 19:01.06 | lenswipe | one about SMB shares, the other about symlinks between server |
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| 19:01.15 | lenswipe | karlpinc: is that with regard symlinks between servers? |
| 19:01.22 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Why couldn't you smbmount the shares on the proxy and then smb "export" them from there? That would proxy, right? |
| 19:01.22 | jok3r | ah, i see |
| 19:01.25 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Yes. |
| 19:01.41 | lenswipe | karlpinc> lenswipe: Why couldn't you smbmount the shares on the proxy and then smb "export" them from there? That would proxy, right? <-----Good idea... |
| 19:02.00 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Well, more about transparently having things shuffled around. |
| 19:02.07 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 19:02.21 | lenswipe | i want users to just upload their stuff into a folder in their usermin and have it shuffled over to the tomcat server |
| 19:02.58 | karlpinc | lenswipe: incron is a super handy way to isolate authentication into a 'sandbox'. |
| 19:02.59 | jok3r | ah, my problem was solved by going into the apt archive and force all installing the new pythong package |
| 19:03.06 | jok3r | :) |
| 19:03.23 | lenswipe | karlpinc: a super handy way ive never even heard of :P - im interested tell me more! |
| 19:03.24 | simonrvn | pythong, the thong your system wears |
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| 19:03.35 | jok3r | simonrvn, it's a sexy version of python |
| 19:03.49 | lenswipe | jok3r: oooOooOooOhhhHHhHhH! |
| 19:04.02 | lenswipe | XD |
| 19:04.05 | jok3r | yah, this etch upgrade was being a real pain in the ass up until i figured that out :D |
| 19:04.21 | jok3r | had to destroy all the original configuration files of course... |
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| 19:05.35 | jok3r | nvm, it failed :\ |
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| 19:06.26 | lenswipe | jok3r: one thing about a pythong tho.. |
| 19:06.32 | lenswipe | jok3r: ....its better than a c-string... |
| 19:06.45 | jok3r | lenswipe, lolol, there's no such thing as a c-string! |
| 19:06.50 | jok3r | :D |
| 19:06.52 | lenswipe | lol |
| 19:06.56 | lenswipe | obv |
| 19:07.01 | lenswipe | was a crappy pun |
| 19:07.10 | karlpinc | lenswipe: Your users have permissions to drop files someplace incron watches. Incron then runs under whatever user you like, one with permissions to do special stuff. It will then run scripts when new files show up that can do anything you like, including vetting file content or whatever; or just putting files places the regular users don't have access to. |
| 19:07.23 | jok3r | python fails to configure, looks like i'm gonna have to tear the installation out and reinstall all the dependencies :\ |
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| 19:07.43 | jok3r | karlpinc, what does incron run over? |
| 19:07.46 | lenswipe | karlpinc: that sounds cool |
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| 19:08.07 | lenswipe | jok3r: did you know if you hold a UNIX shell up to your ear - you can hear the C? |
| 19:08.19 | jok3r | lenswipe, rdr^2 |
| 19:08.22 | lenswipe | ? |
| 19:08.27 | karlpinc | lenswipe: It just "watches" in an efficent fashion for new files. You give it scripts to do the work. |
| 19:08.30 | jok3r | rdr^2 = rdrr = har dee har har |
| 19:08.34 | lenswipe | karlpinc: cool |
| 19:08.43 | lenswipe | jok3r: i thought it was funny! ^_^ |
| 19:08.44 | lenswipe | :p |
| 19:09.25 | slidesinger | Downloaded the ia64 iso several times, burned to 5 CDs and still does not work. Burned other CDs so the drive is fine. Is there a way to verify the iso? I can't find a checksum. |
| 19:10.00 | petemc | slidesinger: ia64 is for itanium, you want amd64 most likely |
| 19:10.03 | llutz | slidesinger: itanium? |
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| 19:10.11 | karlpinc | slidesinger: There should be a MD5SUM file (or something like that) in the same directory from which you downloaded the image. |
| 19:10.45 | karlpinc | llutz: Intel's failed attempt to abandon the x86 arch and do-over for 64 bit processors. |
| 19:11.00 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 19:11.00 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 19:11.01 | llutz | karlpinc: i know what itanium is |
| 19:11.03 | jok3r | slidesinger, can you boot to CD? there's a cd verification option within the installer menu |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | maybe they should only offer a multi-arch amd64/ia64 .. and not a single arch .. then it would just magically work :) |
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| 19:11.38 | simonrvn | there is a multi-arch cd |
| 19:11.47 | abrotman | yeah .. but not with those architectures togehter |
| 19:11.50 | jok3r | hey, so python2.5 is installed and configured, but python is not configured and fails to configure |
| 19:11.51 | jok3r | wtfm8 |
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| 19:12.08 | abrotman | jok3r: dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:12.16 | simonrvn | i thought it was ppc, ia64, amd64? |
| 19:12.17 | jok3r | abrotman, fails at python |
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| 19:12.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: alpha/ia64/hppa and amd64/i386/ppc |
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| 19:12.47 | slidesinger | xeon L5506 processor |
| 19:12.50 | simonrvn | oh |
| 19:12.56 | abrotman | slidesinger: not ia64 .. you want amd64 or i386 |
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| 19:13.16 | slidesinger | Ahh, grabbing the wrong image. |
| 19:13.22 | slidesinger | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:13.33 | jok3r | abrotman, any ideas why python cant be configured? |
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| 19:14.15 | simonrvn | tries to read jok3r's mind and fails |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | jok3r: pastebin the output .. |
| 19:14.46 | EmleyMoor | What can cause the update notifier icon to stop working? |
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| 19:15.05 | jok3r | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m47408281 |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | jok3r: it tells you why |
| 19:15.38 | jok3r | abrotman, not overwriting local files? |
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| 19:15.58 | simonrvn | *ding* |
| 19:16.07 | jok3r | yah, except i've already used the force options to overwrite |
| 19:16.13 | jok3r | and i still get the same error |
| 19:16.29 | simonrvn | it wasn't done properly |
| 19:16.49 | abrotman | and that might not be what it's talking about |
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| 19:17.20 | simonrvn | force-overwrite is pretty brutal, even if the --force-help says it's not dangerous (that help text should be changed) |
| 19:17.25 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 19:17.45 | jok3r | simonrvn, i used it as a last resort, and it still doesn't work |
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| 19:18.28 | simonrvn | i didn't have problems updating my python stuff etch->lenny . you must've had some extra stuff. |
| 19:18.37 | simonrvn | !lenny release notes |
| 19:18.37 | dpkg | well, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 19:18.41 | jok3r | simonrvn, possibly, but i can't figure out what :\ |
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| 19:19.05 | seb__ | hi |
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| 19:20.02 | seb__ | do you know when x11proto-gl-dev > 1.4.10 will be shipped for debian ? |
| 19:20.03 | jok3r | the problem isn't being caused by a common problem like spe or piviti, and pyversions tells me that 2.5 was installed |
| 19:20.49 | spacepluk | hi, any webkit-based browser in the repos with a good graphic performance and webinspector? |
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| 19:22.40 | oznt | hi guys |
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| 19:23.21 | oznt | can some one help me with entering the following in a sed command inside bash: sed -i "s/home/shared\/home/g" |
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| 19:23.39 | kiaas | Now, when using SPARC hardware..Debian is trying to be helpful and use MBR when doing everything automatically, I think. It isn't a Sun Disk Label, anyways. where would I go about reporting that? |
| 19:23.40 | Morg0th | I've searched on the wiki, on google, but I can't figure out why all my consoles can't show accents and special characters... no one has any idea? |
| 19:23.48 | oznt | on interactive shell it runs perfectly, but on bash shell it's failing |
| 19:24.56 | jok3r | when i search for my problem string on google the first thing that comes up is my pastebin *facepalm* |
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| 19:25.14 | kiaas | Because I must say, having to do my partitioning with a gentoo livecd on my SPARC hardware to be able to use Debian is annoying. |
| 19:25.27 | m1 | hi ppl =] |
| 19:25.51 | jelly-hme | kiaas: Hm. Debian's bug tracking system, package "debian-installer"? |
| 19:25.53 | m1 | I want to download debian which file do I need to download? |
| 19:26.17 | streuner_ | m1: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 19:27.07 | kiaas | everytime I see hme I'm going to think of sun's Happy Meal Ethernet. now. |
| 19:27.09 | m1 | streenz, if I want to install in disk on key , what should I do? |
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| 19:27.26 | jelly-hme | dpkg: tell kiaas about d-i |
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| 19:27.55 | jelly-home | kiaas: sorry, I lost a letter somewhere |
| 19:28.00 | simonrvn | jok3r: irony ;) |
| 19:28.09 | karlpinc | m1: The best answer is to read the installation manual at debian.org, which has a lot of detail. |
| 19:28.11 | streuner_ | m1: just read i-g (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 19:28.42 | m1 | 10x |
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| 19:29.15 | jok3r | simonrvn, i didnt realize i could switch overwrite of local files on in the python debian_config |
| 19:29.19 | jok3r | thanks Matheusgr :) |
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| 19:30.14 | rooisto47 | hello all |
| 19:30.44 | jok3r | so the solution was simply to turn overwrite of local files on in /etc/python/debian_config --> overwrite-local=1 |
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| 19:33.07 | The_Eccentric | abrotman: getting erro checking fo xg1: not present , Blacklisted PCCIID 8086:2a02 found, aborting and using fallback :/usr/binmetacity , no /usr/bin/metacity found exiting |
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| 19:33.12 | Benutzer | hallo |
| 19:33.53 | Benutzer | beim abschliessen der installation, als grub installiert werden sollte, hing es bei 50% und ging nicht weiter. nach einiger zeit hab ich dann halt von hand ausgemacht und neugestartet. |
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| 19:34.03 | Benutzer | aber jetzt ist grub wohl nicht korrekt installiert |
| 19:34.03 | Matheusgr | jok3r: the force-overwite fails because pycentral handles this kind of upgrade and not dpkg. Be careful because probably there was local files created by an manual easyinstall or something like that. Verify rdepends packages of reportlab after upgrade and disable this configuration after an upgrade. |
| 19:34.15 | pngwn | !de |
| 19:34.16 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 19:34.30 | jok3r | Matheusgr, once the upgrade finishes i'll check apt-cache |
| 19:34.37 | Benutzer | wie kann ich ihn denn nachträglich richtig installieren? es kommt eine grub rescue shell |
| 19:34.43 | jok3r | Matheusgr, all of the files that i overwrote were from the base install, so it shouldnt cause any problems |
| 19:34.56 | pngwn | Benutzer, this is an english channel |
| 19:34.56 | Benutzer | sorry, got the wrong channel! |
| 19:35.03 | pngwn | ;) |
| 19:35.11 | Matheusgr | jok3r: ok :) |
| 19:35.38 | jok3r | Matheusgr, i honestly dont even know if these py installs were manual, as this is the first time i've looked at the server :\ |
| 19:36.02 | jok3r | Matheusgr, what i'm worried about is that this is our LDAP server as well |
| 19:36.28 | jok3r | it serves LDAP to the other machines in the cluster |
| 19:36.57 | abrotman | The_Eccentric: seems pretty damn obvious |
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| 19:37.22 | The_Eccentric | ive tried checking the black list |
| 19:37.29 | The_Eccentric | but nothing of that is on there |
| 19:37.41 | Benutzer | bye |
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| 19:41.33 | tome | Howdy, during a recent update I believe I pointed grub to the wrong device, is there a way to reconfigure and have grub installed on the proper device? |
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| 19:43.47 | phiwer | does anyone know how to align a disk to 4k boundary? what options to use for fdisk |
| 19:43.53 | phiwer | (and how to verify it) |
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| 19:45.02 | rooisto47 | hello everybody |
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| 19:47.55 | bolt | Any chance something like this could work on Debian? I had a sudden urge to try and control my machine over SMS. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-3G-USB-EVDO-Wireless-card-Modem-CDMA2000-1x-R-VIM_W0QQitemZ250510063718QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a53903866 |
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| 19:48.13 | rooisto47 | I installed a standard debian testing system and added openbox, my question is how can I get a smooth font, like in desktop environment, and how can I make it little bigger than what it is actually ? |
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| 19:50.11 | DuClare | rooisto47: http://openbox.org/wiki/Configuration |
| 19:50.20 | tuvwx | sftp to a sunOS ssh server stalls at 99% for a file get. is this a known issue? any solutions? |
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| 19:51.13 | tuvwx | scp finishes up cleanly. sftp doesn't, but the file sizes are identical |
| 19:52.37 | Mark22 | Hello, I use a Debian 5.0 64 bit system as gateway, this is working. Now I want to also use it as a firewall for the hosts behind it. I can use iptables for the system itself, but somehow it doesn't work for the hosts behind it. Where should I start looking for the solution? |
| 19:53.20 | jelly-home | Mark22: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 19:53.45 | tuvwx | the files are not identical though, only their sizes |
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| 19:54.31 | jelly-home | Mark22: oh, sorry, you already have nat working. most of the outbound traffic will pass through the FORWARD chain. |
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| 19:55.34 | Mark22 | jelly-home: we don't use nat (we don't need it) |
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| 19:55.44 | bentlux | tuvwx, once that happened to me , Helped me to limit the bandwidth of the command |
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| 19:57.04 | rooisto47 | DuClare: thx, and by changing font size in rc.xml will this touch the xterm font too ? |
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| 19:57.35 | jelly-home | Mark22: so you're just routing traffic through that machine. Have you looked at the iptables counters to see where the traffic is passing through? |
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| 19:58.09 | Mark22 | jelly-home: I did just re-check the iptables rules |
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| 19:58.45 | Mark22 | the problem was that the chain was wrong (typo) |
| 19:58.47 | rooisto47 | I don't see any settings for smooth font there http://openbox.org/wiki/Configuration ! |
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| 20:00.05 | jelly-home | Mark22: I mean, if you diff iptables-save or iptables -vnL output before and after pinging an internet site from the inside, do you see which chains/rules are hit? |
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| 20:00.19 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 20:00.27 | DuClare | rooisto47: No, xterm is different software |
| 20:00.36 | DuClare | rooisto47: If you want to change the fonts of xterm, configure xterm |
| 20:00.44 | DuClare | rooisto47: It has nothing to do with a desktop environment or a window manager |
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| 20:01.08 | rooisto47 | DuClare: ah ok so where in .bashrc ? |
| 20:02.11 | DuClare | rooisto47: bash is also different software, which has nothing to do with xterm :) You can pass -fn to xterm, and you can make more permanent changes by specifying resources in .Xdefaults |
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| 20:02.38 | DuClare | rooisto47: man xterm should give you an idea. Google for xterm xdefaults if you need more help |
| 20:02.43 | jelly-home | .Xresources now |
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| 20:04.13 | rooisto47 | DuClare: ok thank you for the help wm, terminal, bash I begin confuse all their config :s |
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| 20:07.16 | Mark22 | jelly-home: this looks to work now :) |
| 20:07.18 | Mark22 | thank you |
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| 20:15.57 | Ornedan | What's up with ftp.fi.debian.org bandwith? I'm getting around 6kB/s from it |
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| 20:16.48 | LTL2h | finland sunk. |
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| 20:17.01 | LTL2h | eheh |
| 20:17.06 | Ornedan | I'm not drowning yet, though |
| 20:17.23 | Ornedan | And I'm about 100m from the shore :P |
| 20:17.25 | LTL2h | :) hopefully |
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| 20:21.44 | dcestari | anyone knows how to rebuild the index.txt db used by openssl? |
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| 20:24.13 | sanmarcos | I have a server that once every few months just goes insane and runs out of memory and I have no idea what caused it (because all logging stops), any ideas on what I can do to find out what is causing it? |
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| 20:24.47 | sanmarcos | the only option is to do a hard reboot, it has happened twice already (yes, it is tight on memory, but it should not happen), any ideas on what I can do? |
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| 20:26.09 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:26.57 | abrotman | sanmarcos: you might want to give us more information .. kernel/daemons .. stuff like that |
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| 20:27.32 | zak_ | i have a 250 gb hdd , and iam going to replace it by a 500 gb hdd , what shancge should i do to fstab |
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| 20:28.15 | cast | zak_: probably nothing |
| 20:28.24 | sanmarcos | abrotman: lenny, virtualized xen, 256mb, 1 gig swap, web/mail server 2.6.24-24-xen, I suspect the cause to be amavis/spamassasin, or maybe apache but I can't prove it |
| 20:28.25 | Spec | heya... |
| 20:28.44 | Spec | I went from etch to lenny, and noticed a specific mime-types change that I want an explanation for (documentation/reasoning/whatevers) |
| 20:28.46 | zak_ | cast: i changed the disk and my pc starts in console mode :/ |
| 20:28.56 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: enable remote logging and try to log some useful data |
| 20:28.58 | Spec | "application/x-javascript js" was changed in lenny to "application/javascript js" |
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| 20:29.06 | sanmarcos | jelly-home: remote logging ? |
| 20:29.15 | Spec | What would be the reasons for this? and where would mime types changelog be located/found? |
| 20:29.17 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: yes, remote syslog |
| 20:29.37 | sanmarcos | jelly-home: never heard of it, but if logging stops in my system wouldnt remote syslog stop too? |
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| 20:31.04 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: I'm guessing it stops because of excessive swapping slowing everything down; remote syslog will at least be free from disk access issues |
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| 20:31.34 | jelly-home | sanmarcos: also, set up snmp and log useful data from there |
| 20:31.43 | sanmarcos | hm, I will check it out |
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| 20:33.23 | phiwer | I need some advice fellas. I've just bought a western digital ears drive (1TB). Should I *care* about aligning the partition (I plan on having one) on a 4k boundary or should I not care about this? |
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| 20:34.05 | jelly-home | phiwer: if you care you lose nothing |
| 20:34.31 | jelly-home | except for one-off loss of time setting it up |
| 20:35.03 | phiwer | I've aligned it on a 4k boundary now, odd thing is that is shows up as having 870gig free space in nautilus but 930 gig free in gparted. Do you know why? |
| 20:35.19 | cast | GB vs GiB |
| 20:35.21 | jelly-home | yes. :-) |
| 20:35.29 | phiwer | Ahhh yes, ofcourse! Thanks. |
| 20:35.29 | jelly-home | also, reserved space |
| 20:35.46 | phiwer | yeah, 5% right? |
| 20:35.57 | jelly-home | by default, for ext[234], yes |
| 20:36.28 | jelly-home | tune2fs to change it |
| 20:37.10 | phiwer | ok, a second question regarding performance.. I was mounting this disk as my home partition, and when I started a torrent the system became quite unstable. I testing this now with my new *aligned* partition, and I have no problem yet. Could the unaligned partition cause such problems? |
| 20:37.26 | phiwer | I mean such severe problems. I could barely do anything in X. |
| 20:38.11 | jelly-home | I'l try reproduce it if you send me a disk |
| 20:38.17 | phiwer | haha |
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| 20:38.43 | mguy | That did not cause your poblem |
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| 20:39.27 | phiwer | I should perhaps add that I'm using deluge as client. |
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| 20:40.06 | phiwer | not really sure how good that client is with regards to writing to disk in a smart way. |
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| 20:41.26 | meiskam | is it possible to recieve a wireless connection, bridge it with an ad-hoc network, and broadcast .. with 1 wireless card? |
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| 20:42.05 | mo2000 | hello |
| 20:42.08 | meiskam | hi |
| 20:42.19 | nooper | meiskam: you mean connect to two networks with one card? |
| 20:42.33 | meiskam | i mean, connect to 1 and broadcast another |
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| 20:43.14 | meiskam | so yeah, i guess you would be connected to both |
| 20:43.21 | nooper | i dont think so |
| 20:43.58 | albertolempira | hey guys i´m using a Huawei modem, everything was working fine but suddenly it stopped working. Can anybody help me with this? thanks. |
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| 20:44.45 | nooper | meiskam: nevermind that. dont know about debian, but MS allows it, |
| 20:44.49 | nooper | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/virtualwifi/ |
| 20:45.33 | karlpinc | nooper: You can assign multiple addresses to 1 card, and they can be on any network. No problem. |
| 20:45.49 | nooper | karlpinc: yeah, but he wants to connect to multiple wifi networks |
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| 20:46.23 | meiskam | nooper: that's what the site says, it seems |
| 20:46.25 | karlpinc | nooper: Requires a card with multiple radios. Otherwise (I could be wrong) you can only listen on one channel at a time. |
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| 20:46.53 | meiskam | interesting, how can i tell if my card has 1 or 2 radios? |
| 20:47.30 | mo2000 | What a funny day... i have x86 lenny running on KVM (host is x86_64) and i do the updates today... and dosemu isn't running at all as normal user... as root dosemu starts... but it is not realy working. Thanks to the Kernel Team for this &@@§$grfzz day. |
| 20:47.31 | karlpinc | meiskam: nmblookup, and then googling for specs on the result? |
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| 20:49.33 | karlpinc | meiskam: Oops. not nmblookup... |
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| 20:50.08 | Ajurna | Hello I have a question to the network security heads: Is there a way to defend against / detect the "port stealing" MITM attack from my client view ? |
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| 20:50.54 | karlpinc | Ajurna: certificates at both ends. |
| 20:51.28 | Ajurna | sounds like nothing I could implement without any influence on the gateway router ... (I live in a dorm) |
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| 20:51.53 | karlpinc | Ajurna: All you need is influence at both endpoints. |
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| 20:52.30 | albertolempira | hey guys i´m using a Huawei modem, everything was working fine but suddenly it stopped working. Can anybody help me with this? thanks. |
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| 20:53.34 | karlpinc | meiskam: dmidecode is what I was thinking of. |
| 20:53.45 | meiskam | ok let me try that |
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| 20:54.58 | karlpinc | meiskam: There's always lspci |
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| 20:55.35 | ab3 | hoi |
| 20:55.49 | meiskam | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 20:55.49 | ab3 | where do I set my systen locale info |
| 20:55.53 | ab3 | there is no setenv |
| 20:56.35 | esteeven | hello. Does anyone know why xrandr suddenly needs to refer to VGA & LVDS as VGA1 & LVDS1 : yesterday, my xrandr script worked but today I have to refer to vga1 & ldvs1. It's not a huge problem but I am curious :) BTW Debian Testing in use |
| 20:56.48 | karlpinc | ab3: Globally permanently, or just for your user? |
| 20:57.00 | ab3 | Globally permanently |
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| 20:57.14 | karlpinc | ab3: I think: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:57.23 | babilen | yup |
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| 21:02.54 | jok3r | hey, has anyone used big brother before for network stats reporting? |
| 21:03.10 | jok3r | if so, can anyone tell me why it would say the tmp folder is full on a few machines when there's nothing in there? |
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| 21:06.28 | magdalene | *skitters* in and settles under the #debian_fern |
| 21:08.16 | magdalene | smells an abrotman lurking and looks forward to easy afternoon snax |
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| 21:11.57 | peterrooney | jok3r: suspect dotfiles and dotfolders. what does du -sh /tmp say; what does ls -al /tmp say, and what does find /tmp say? |
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| 21:12.43 | peterrooney | magdalene: you'll need better camouflage today. |
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| 21:13.34 | magdalene | hiss |
| 21:14.06 | magdalene | throws peterrooney a #bashherbivore Tshirt in dayglow green |
| 21:14.22 | magdalene | its shiney! |
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| 21:18.33 | abrotman | magdalene: do you need Debian help? if not, be quiet |
| 21:19.28 | Zharf | did someone think it'd be a nice "security upgrade" to prevent java programs from accessing the internets? I can't really think of any other reason right now why this'd fail to connect |
| 21:19.34 | magdalene | i haven't been in in a while abrotman, just saying hello. I help when I can |
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| 21:19.41 | abrotman | magdalene: please be quiet |
| 21:19.54 | abrotman | Zharf: squeeze/sid ? |
| 21:19.56 | karlpinc | jok3r: Delete does not recover space until all programs have close the file. |
| 21:20.16 | abrotman | !tell Zharf about java ipv6 |
| 21:20.17 | Zharf | abrotman, sid |
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| 21:20.28 | l0rd_hex | hi there, I'm looking for the debian arm channel, but I think I've let 'me way? |
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| 21:20.51 | abrotman | l0rd_hex: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:20.55 | l0rd_hex | merci |
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| 21:22.02 | peterrooney | apt: is that an ubuntu livecd there? |
| 21:22.32 | abrotman | no, it's a broken bot |
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| 21:23.38 | Zharf | abrotman, thanks |
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| 21:26.50 | jok3r | peterrooney, sorry i ran downstairs to check on another cluster |
| 21:27.04 | jok3r | peterrooney, the df of tmp lists it as being far less 100% full on every machine |
| 21:27.09 | jok3r | and there are no dot files or folders to be heard of |
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| 21:30.16 | humbolt1 | When a disk was used for some BSD system before, is it normal, that it does not show up in the installer? |
| 21:30.53 | magdalene | depends on how fdisk set it up for bsd |
| 21:31.42 | tsygrl | hi all --- i am trying to install debian --- the latest net install on a dell poweredge 195 with broadcom nics and the install is asking me to insert bnx/bnx2-mips-06-4-6-16.fw on a floppy or usb stick. I have put it in on a USB stick in the top level directory, under bnx2 and under the nonfree-drivers directory created by untarring the package -- all to no avail - the install keeps asking for bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-4-6-16.fw. Can anyone give me a hint ? |
| 21:32.02 | humbolt1 | magdalene: I did recreate the partition table. |
| 21:32.13 | streuner_ | tsgrl: into /lib/firmware? |
| 21:32.32 | tsygrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.33 | magdalene | humbolt1: is it an ide drive |
| 21:32.37 | humbolt1 | sata |
| 21:32.44 | jok3r | streuner_, beat me to it, i had the same problem with a few machines |
| 21:33.42 | magdalene | humbolt1: what did you use to recreate the partition table |
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| 21:33.50 | humbolt1 | gparted |
| 21:34.02 | tsygrl | putting it in |
| 21:34.08 | tsygrl | it is a usb stick |
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| 21:35.17 | humbolt1 | how can I find out, if a disk has been configured as software raid |
| 21:35.30 | magdalene | humbolt1: did you use fdisk to set any of the partitions as active |
| 21:35.34 | magdalene | raid? |
| 21:35.58 | humbolt1 | magdalene: it does not show up in the installer at all! |
| 21:36.09 | magdalene | humbolt1: how many drives were in the old machine |
| 21:36.32 | humbolt1 | all that is not clear. this is not my machine, it was donated. |
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| 21:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: How many in the new one? |
| 21:38.39 | magdalene | humbolt1: a raid set is usually set up over more than one drive, depending on the set they were originally ment to let the drives run faster or provide backup reliability |
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| 21:39.03 | magdalene | humbolt1: if you are only using one drive, it isn't going to work as a raid |
| 21:39.15 | magdalene | hey tux |
| 21:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: Usually if _just_the_drive_ was set up as RAID - NOT the current controller - it will just look unformatted or unpartitioned. |
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| 21:39.45 | magdalene | thank you jhutchins_lt |
| 21:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: It _is_ possible for a RAID controller to make the drive invisible. |
| 21:40.19 | tsygrl | i placed bnx2-mips-06-4-6-16.fw in lib/firmware and i place bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-4-6-16.fw in lib/firmware and firmware-nonfree in lib/firmware on the usb stick and the install is still asking me for bnx2-mips-06-4-6-16.fw. |
| 21:40.36 | tsygrl | any other hints ? |
| 21:41.18 | jok3r | try putting it at the top level |
| 21:41.21 | jok3r | if you havent already |
| 21:41.28 | humbolt1 | jhutchins_lt: sata raid ergo fakeraid, that is what I am talking about. they tend to behave weird |
| 21:41.30 | magdalene | jhutchins_lt: unless there is data on the drive you **need** to preserve you probably want to repartition it |
| 21:41.33 | magdalene | whups |
| 21:41.37 | jok3r | so when it prompts you for the firmware on install pop in the USB stick and hit OK |
| 21:41.44 | magdalene | that was ment for humbolt1 |
| 21:41.56 | tsygrl | it is at the top level on the usb stick jok3r |
| 21:42.02 | tsygrl | i tried that first |
| 21:42.04 | jok3r | tsygrl, that's what worked for me when i installed |
| 21:43.03 | streuner_ | !installer firmware |
| 21:43.04 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 21:44.39 | tsygrl | jok3r i assumed placing it at top level would work. |
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| 21:44.52 | jok3r | tsygrl, it does for a regular debian install on the non-graphical installer |
| 21:45.14 | jok3r | tsygrl, i've done it a dozen times at work |
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| 21:46.17 | tsygrl | i just downloaded the latest netinst. I ussually use *BSD |
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| 21:47.00 | jok3r | tsygrl, i've never done the net install |
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| 21:48.13 | goose | I have a program on my server that I want to automagically be restarted in the event that it ever crashes. I was told "watchdog" would be a good idea, but I can't find much documentation on it. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: sata raid still requires the controller to intercept the drive calls. |
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| 21:48.30 | phantomcircuit | http://pastebin.ca/1786363 |
| 21:48.32 | phantomcircuit | any ideas? |
| 21:48.33 | ice799 | Hi. I'm using Debian Lenny and I'm about to set up some simple iptables rules. I want these rules to apply to all interfaces and come up at boot. If I create a script and mention the script as the argument to pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces, will the rules be applied only to that specific interface or to the system as a whole? |
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| 21:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: Hence the additional point of failure and greater chances of trouble than non-raid. |
| 21:49.10 | tsygrl | i guess i will download the regular install jok3r. It's been years since i last used debian and i have been given the go-ahead to drop centos for debian and would like to make it work ;-) |
| 21:49.12 | morphix | ice799: you could just add a 'fw' type entry to interfaces file |
| 21:49.13 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: In any case, again, it depends on the current settings of the _controller_, not the physical drive. |
| 21:49.30 | morphix | eg. |
| 21:49.31 | morphix | auto fw |
| 21:49.31 | morphix | iface fw inet manual |
| 21:49.31 | morphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.31 | morphix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.45 | Matheusgr | tsygrl: wild guess here... Try to copy the package to the top level... not the .fw file. |
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| 21:50.01 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: If you take a raid drive from PC/Motherboard/Controller 1 and put it on PC/Motherboard/Controller 2, it's going to say "hey, there's a strange drive here", not "oh, this is part of a RAID". |
| 21:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: Unless it's like EXACTLY the same model controller. |
| 21:50.25 | abrotman | morphix: uname -a |
| 21:50.45 | abrotman | morphix: nevermind |
| 21:50.55 | abrotman | ice799: you use the pre-up part of the interfaces file |
| 21:51.11 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: Chances are even if it's compatible it's going to say "Hey, is this part of a RAID? 'Cause I never seen it before". |
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| 21:51.23 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: That's going to happen at the controller level though. |
| 21:51.41 | jhutchins_lt | humbolt1: In the case of pure software raid, the software is the controller. |
| 21:51.42 | ice799 | abrotman: yeah but i though that pre-ups were specified on a per interface basis |
| 21:51.53 | ice799 | my rules are pretty generic i just want to apply them once to the entire system |
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| 21:52.30 | abrotman | ice799: the rules are system wide, but you can force a rule to apply to only one interface .. you just want to bring them up before eth0 or whatever you have |
| 21:52.59 | ice799 | abrotman: yes i have eth0, eth1, eth1:1-4. |
| 21:53.21 | ice799 | abrotman: I guess my question is, if I use pre-up does that make the rules interface specific? |
| 21:53.28 | ice799 | I thought I needed a -i in my rule for it to be interface specific |
| 21:53.41 | ice799 | (I ask because I thought pre-up sections exist on a per-interface/alias basis) |
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| 21:54.39 | ice799 | abrotman: because right now my network interfaces file has a default pre-up commented out for a few of the interfaces, #pre-up /usr/sbin/ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 10 duplex full |
| 21:55.07 | ice799 | abrotman: that to me looks like that pre-up is run as is, but the command itself just happens to mention eth0 specifically |
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| 21:56.10 | abrotman | ice799: i said no .. |
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| 21:56.44 | abrotman | ice799: your iptables script runs for the system, not the interface .. you're just running a command before bringing that particular interface up .. that command could be anything |
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| 21:56.58 | shadowshell | anyone know how to get apt-get or related to install a daemon package without starting it during the install...something like apt-get install --no-start apache2 |
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| 21:59.06 | tsygrl | thanks all. No success yet but thanks ;-) |
| 21:59.10 | ice799 | abrotman: ok thanks. |
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| 21:59.36 | sokrates | hello. i have a little problem with my debian box |
| 21:59.41 | sokrates | i have 2gigs of ram |
| 21:59.52 | sokrates | and top shows me that about 1.9 are in use |
| 22:00.00 | sokrates | but no process is apparently using it |
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| 22:00.08 | abrotman | !tell sokrates about free ram |
| 22:00.26 | sokrates | ? |
| 22:00.31 | sokrates | me noob sry |
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| 22:01.18 | action09 | !tell action09 about free ram |
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| 22:01.26 | action09 | !tell action09 about free ram |
| 22:01.35 | abrotman | !tell action09 about selftell |
| 22:01.45 | action09 | yes ... thanks :) |
| 22:01.46 | abrotman | sokrates: see what the bot told you in msg |
| 22:01.59 | sokrates | ah i see |
| 22:01.59 | sokrates | :D |
| 22:02.00 | sokrates | thx |
| 22:02.20 | shadowshell | abrotman, you know apt-get pretty well? |
| 22:02.42 | abrotman | shadowshell: no, i don't know of a way to do that |
| 22:02.47 | shadowshell | bummer |
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| 22:02.49 | abrotman | doesn't see the problem with it autostarting either |
| 22:03.33 | shadowshell | how about telling apt-get to accept the default (keep existing config) if you have config file in place already |
| 22:03.44 | shadowshell | well |
| 22:03.46 | abrotman | shadowshell: yes, it should already prompt you for that |
| 22:03.48 | shadowshell | chef-client |
| 22:03.53 | shadowshell | right |
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| 22:03.58 | shadowshell | it does prompt |
| 22:04.04 | shadowshell | i want it to not prompt |
| 22:04.05 | Spec | well, i figured out my issue. seems like debian's mime types for .js is application/javascript, but the default mod_expires in apache (configured w/ debian) only sets expires header for application/x-javascript |
| 22:04.10 | shadowshell | and even with -y -qq it does |
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| 22:04.22 | abrotman | shadowshell: that's probably a debconf item |
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| 22:04.30 | abrotman | shadowshell: do you want it to auto-overwrite, or not at all ? |
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| 22:04.42 | Spec | Who would I file a bug with....it seems to me apache's mod_expires configuration should be updated... |
| 22:04.42 | scummos | hi there :) is there a way of installing a minimal kde 4.3 version in lenny without messing up the whole system? |
| 22:04.46 | shadowshell | do not overwrite, which is default |
| 22:05.14 | abrotman | scummos: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:05.32 | abrotman | scummos: used to be there anyway |
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| 22:06.08 | abrotman | scummos: if you can't find it, ask #debian-kde |
| 22:06.21 | abrotman | scummos: that's on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:06.24 | SSolutions | oi |
| 22:06.25 | shadowshell | i just want it to accept the default without prompting |
| 22:07.43 | scummos | abrotman: thank you, i'll have a look at that. :) |
| 22:08.17 | abrotman | shadowshell: perhaps try changing the debconf priority |
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| 22:08.53 | shadowshell | abrotman: ok...will read up, thanks |
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| 22:11.33 | scummos_ | abrotman: hm, i already tried that... just changed my repository from "lenny" to "testing", did apt-get update and apt-get install kde-minimal... this is the error (sorry for crappy translation): http://pastebin.com/m22dbe199 |
| 22:11.51 | abrotman | scummos_: that is NOT what you're supposed to do |
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| 22:11.59 | scummos_ | *knew it. :D |
| 22:12.03 | scummos_ | reads again |
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| 22:12.11 | abrotman | scummos_: did you ask #debian-kde? they at one time had a backport for lenny |
| 22:12.25 | scummos_ | okay, i will now. thanks. |
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| 22:17.35 | netsharc | ping $MY_OWN_IP doesn't work either |
| 22:17.46 | netsharc | same thing with localhost |
| 22:17.53 | scummos | ping localhost doesn't work? oo |
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| 22:18.49 | netsharc | never mind, fixed it |
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| 22:19.50 | scummos_ | there's nobody in #debian-kde :'[ |
| 22:19.51 | scummos_ | waits |
| 22:20.10 | Vojtaeus | Hi, I need to keep some packages from Stable repos, but I need most of system from Testing. Is there any way how to tell to system which packages keep from Stable (and normaly upgrade)? |
| 22:20.39 | abrotman | scummos_: on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 22:21.20 | scummos_ | in irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-kde |
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| 22:21.30 | scummos_ | yeah, there are 49 people logged in, but they're all afk :) |
| 22:21.44 | netsharc | I had eth0 (3com) and eth1 (intel) .. for some reason the 3com one didn't work, so I switched the connection to the eth1 one. but I configured eth0 to use an IP in the same subnet... eth0 was down, (I'm pretty sure I did an ifdown eth0 ?), ... but now rmmod 3c59x and only then it works... |
| 22:21.50 | netsharc | well going now.. :) |
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| 22:22.04 | abrotman | scummos_: ask if they have pointers to a kde4 backport for lenny |
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| 22:23.11 | scummos_ | something like that, abrotman? http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/kdebase |
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| 22:24.00 | abrotman | scummos: no |
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| 22:26.18 | oggei | moin |
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| 22:32.18 | scummos_ | hmm, no, they say they stopped at 4.1.4... |
| 22:32.54 | scummos_ | and switching to "testing" didn't work for me, there was an error processing udevd with no usefull error message... |
| 22:34.27 | abrotman | scummos_: you have to go all the way to testing .. and if you read that message carefully, it tells you how to get around it |
| 22:35.32 | scummos_ | it told me something about upgrading the kernel, but why didn't apt-get do that automatically if it was required? |
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| 22:37.41 | scummos_ | abrotman: okay, i'm going to try again now. :) |
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| 22:39.09 | tuv | is it a good idea to sync my .gnupg across my machines? |
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| 22:41.10 | abrotman | scummos_: read the message .. it tells you why |
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| 22:41.20 | scummos_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d62bd1526 -> that's my sources.list now... |
| 22:41.31 | scummos_ | okay ^^ |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | scummos_: use 'squeeze' not 'testing' |
| 22:41.44 | scummos_ | ok |
| 22:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | What's the apt that notifies you of package updates by email (for non-GUI servers)? |
| 22:42.27 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. What is the correct form of the option -V from cp command. Here never work... -.- |
| 22:42.33 | abrotman | scummos_: and you really shouldn't use ftp.debian.org .. pick a mirror that is near you like ftp.de.debian.org or ftp.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de |
| 22:42.42 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: cron-apt |
| 22:42.57 | scummos_ | abrotman: oh. okay, sorry. |
| 22:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Hm, aptitude search apt didn't find that? |
| 22:43.55 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: it does here |
| 22:44.06 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, blind operator. |
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| 22:44.50 | SpookyET | Is there an ext3 or ext4 option to make it case-insensitive? I find case-sensitive rather stupid and archaic. |
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| 22:45.31 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: no |
| 22:45.39 | abrotman | SpookyET: you mean .. you want it to act like DOS ? |
| 22:46.03 | gordonjcp | case-insensitive filenames are a throwback to CP/M |
| 22:46.10 | gordonjcp | and before that, FILES-11 |
| 22:46.22 | abrotman | SpookyET: oddly, the opposite of what you said is true |
| 22:46.35 | SpookyET | abrotman: I see not comparison nor flame-war with Windows. Thanks for the offer. |
| 22:47.04 | abrotman | SpookyET: it's not just an old DOS problem .. other *old* operating systems have that 'feature' you want |
| 22:47.08 | SpookyET | s/see/seek |
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| 22:47.28 | abrotman | SpookyET: that's the one i used because most people don't know what CP-M, etc are |
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| 22:48.01 | SpookyET | abrotman: Some do. Some donât. A file system is case-sensitive by default. It requires a lot of code to make it case-insensitive. |
| 22:48.11 | abrotman | go for it |
| 22:48.12 | gordonjcp | no, it's a fairly small amount of code |
| 22:48.16 | gordonjcp | a single line, in fact |
| 22:48.22 | gordonjcp | however |
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| 22:48.37 | gordonjcp | why would you go to the trouble of writing a bit of code to make the filesystem worse? |
| 22:48.43 | EduardeCalibal | Someone know how I use cp to copy many files with same name for the same place and make many backups? |
| 22:48.43 | SpookyET | gordonjcp: Not really. Think accents. |
| 22:49.07 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: <shrug> |
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| 22:49.26 | SpookyET | gordonjcp: case-preserving case-insensitive is worst to you? |
| 22:49.26 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: there's really not a lot involved |
| 22:49.44 | jhutchins_lt | Hey, he said HE didn't like mixed case. That's perfectly valid. |
| 22:49.48 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: no, filesystems that don't use filenames at all are worst to me |
| 22:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | Personal preferences are allowed. |
| 22:49.53 | abrotman | that's fine .. he's arguing in the wrong place about it |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:50.04 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: I don't expect you've ever seen one of those, though |
| 22:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | It's not like he's forcing it on the rest of us. |
| 22:50.47 | jhutchins_lt | SpookyET: Like they're saying, it's possible but not an option, and you'd run the risk of being incompatible with some applications. |
| 22:51.32 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: the good thing about Open Source is that if you want to modify normal filesystem modules to be case insensitive, you can |
| 22:51.44 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: have at it, and good luck |
| 22:53.17 | SpookyET | jhutchins_lt: In your address book, John Smith and john smith are the same person. From the point of view of a human, case-sensitive is not useful. The only instance I can think where case sensitivity is useful is for a database in the filesystem, where each file is an ID and has to be unique, case relevant. |
| 22:53.47 | gordonjcp | SpookyET: you raise a good point about maintaining multi-byte charsets and case-insensitivity, so when you get your case-insensitive filesystem going I'll be glad to have a look at it |
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| 22:55.06 | SpookyET | gordonjcp: HFS+ does a good job on that front. |
| 22:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | Answering the question is not off-topic, but I agree with abrotman that arguing the merits is. #debian-offtopic |
| 22:55.26 | gordonjcp | HFS+ is weird |
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| 22:56.02 | SpookyET | gordonjcp: It may suck on many different fronts, but when it comes to case preserving and case insensitivity, it does it well. |
| 22:56.05 | jhutchins_lt | 'Cmon over spook. |
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| 22:57.24 | gordonjcp | I appear to have fallen out of -ot |
| 22:58.48 | SpookyET | jhutchins_lt: You suck at singing Aguilera. :p |
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| 23:02.16 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 23:13.42 | Patric3 | What options are available to me if "aptitude remove ldap" fails ? (The log that I get is http://pastebin.com/m7d56d390) |
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| 23:19.09 | multi_io | isn't it completely retarded that no Linux distribution ever manages to start X sessions with the correct shell environment, as setup by /etc/profile / ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 23:19.17 | multi_io | no one! |
| 23:19.25 | multi_io | since 1992 or so |
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| 23:20.01 | multi_io | and they all DO run non-X (console) shell WITH that environment |
| 23:20.20 | multi_io | so they all run X and non-X with different environments |
| 23:21.02 | scummos_ | ^^ |
| 23:21.05 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
| 23:21.20 | scummos_ | ? |
| 23:21.28 | rgr | is there a defined "correct" set up? I find it frustrating as hell when trying to figure out what is executed out of all those rc type files. Opinions and docs differ. Its a mess. |
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| 23:22.02 | multi_io | looks like something a dunk Redhat engineer forgot to include on a Sunday night in 1992, when cobbling together Redhat 0.97.1balpha4, and everybody has copied the mistake ever since, without anyone ever giving it a second thought |
| 23:22.07 | multi_io | *drunk |
| 23:22.13 | streuner_ | scummos: ravenbird is a bot... |
| 23:22.44 | gordonjcp | multi_io: eh? |
| 23:23.07 | gordonjcp | multi_io: X knows nothing about the shell environment, it's just a server |
| 23:23.14 | multi_io | rgr: the bash manpage defines quite clearly what is executed for a login shell |
| 23:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | Patric3: do a dpkg -l "ldap*" and see what it is you really want to remove. |
| 23:23.27 | multi_io | gordonjcp: I'm talking about an X user session |
| 23:23.41 | gordonjcp | multi_io: yes |
| 23:23.41 | multi_io | started by *dm |
| 23:23.44 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:23.54 | gordonjcp | that's got nothing to do with the shell environment |
| 23:23.58 | rgr | what it defines and what happens when either gnome or kde come into the mix i another issue altogether. |
| 23:24.34 | multi_io | gordonjcp: of course it has! there must be some environment that programs started in the X session see |
| 23:24.36 | gordonjcp | multi_io: if you want to source .profile then whatever you use as an x-terminal should take care of that |
| 23:24.37 | scummos | streuner_: i noticed. :) |
| 23:24.39 | rgr | and when and how ENVs set up at login are available to things like the emacs daemon etc. |
| 23:24.43 | rooisto47 | I wanna make this alias : |
| 23:24.43 | rooisto47 | alias xterm='xterm -fa 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono' -fs 10 &' |
| 23:24.43 | rooisto47 | but I can't do it with all the spaces and (')s can you help me ! |
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| 23:25.06 | jhutchins_lt | multi_io: Actually, X having it's own specific environment that's not the same as an interactive shell is quite deliberate, just as different shells having different environments is deliberate. |
| 23:25.18 | scummos | rooisto47: tried escaping the spaces? Bistream\ Vera\ Sans |
| 23:25.52 | rooisto47 | scummos what abput the (') in the middle ? |
| 23:26.09 | olspookishmagus | hello... can anyone determine which mplayer version is the more recent one? the one in debian-multimedia or the one in squeeze? |
| 23:26.09 | olspookishmagus | debian-multimedia: MPlayer SVN-r30075 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team |
| 23:26.09 | olspookishmagus | mplayer/squeeze: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 |
| 23:26.09 | olspookishmagus | anyone? :) |
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| 23:26.36 | Tramp | rooisto47: simply replace them with double-quotes (and leave the spaces as they are) |
| 23:26.47 | scummos | rooisto47: leave them out? :P |
| 23:26.53 | scummos | that would have been my second idea. :p |
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| 23:27.12 | scummos | but the first one works too :P |
| 23:27.24 | rooisto47 | :s |
| 23:27.25 | scummos | ... i think. ^^ |
| 23:27.28 | rooisto47 | shame on me |
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| 23:27.41 | scummos | yes does |
| 23:27.49 | scummos | changes the pc |
| 23:28.15 | rooisto47 | ok I'll try " cause escaping spaces didn't work |
| 23:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: Um. 'xterm -fa ' |
| 23:28.17 | scummos_ | is back, waiting for apt-get to finish breaking the system |
| 23:28.26 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:28.28 | scummos_ | really? worked for me. |
| 23:28.32 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: I don't think you're grouping your quotes the way you mean to. |
| 23:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: They don't embed, when you hit the second one it "un-quotes". |
| 23:29.38 | jhutchins_lt | So the name of your font was unquoted. |
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| 23:30.01 | rooisto47 | now it works replacing ' by " |
| 23:30.07 | Tramp | yw |
| 23:30.07 | rooisto47 | thx ^^ |
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| 23:31.27 | salvin | is it possible to decrease the number of inodes in an ext4 partition with tune2fs? |
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| 23:32.04 | dlynes_laptop | I guess 5.0.4 is the reason I just got 98 updates? |
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| 23:32.46 | abrotman | very likely .. and a slew of security updates |
| 23:32.49 | nsadmin | 504 is out? |
| 23:33.10 | abrotman | nsadmin: /topic |
| 23:33.10 | streuner_ | seems so |
| 23:33.21 | abrotman | been out since .. friday ? |
| 23:33.23 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman, ah...thanks |
| 23:33.37 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman, dunno...my laptop just let me know about the updates today |
| 23:34.02 | scummos_ | 72% |
| 23:34.43 | nsadmin | hmm... I musta missed the scrolly party |
| 23:35.03 | multi_io | jhutchins_lt: if I run X with startx, it inherits the environment of the shell I start it from (which, if I start from a console, includes /etc/profile / ~/.profile). If I start with gdm, it inherits who knows know what, but certainly not the same things. |
| 23:35.16 | multi_io | doesn't look very deliberate to me. |
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| 23:37.29 | Patric3 | How can you get "aptitude" to tell you the names of the actual deb's that it's installing ? |
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| 23:37.52 | dlynes_laptop | Patric3, apt-get install tells you |
| 23:38.26 | scummos_ | isn't there --pretend? |
| 23:38.39 | olspookishmagus | what's the command-line equivalent of starting a program of the system menu? |
| 23:38.42 | abrotman | --dry-run .. but it does tell you whe nit's installing |
| 23:39.13 | scummos_ | olspookishmagus: depends. usually, just the program's name. |
| 23:39.13 | multi_io | I always change the shebang line of whatever Xsession script I think the DM runs to "#!/bin/bash -login" to bring things a little bit more in line |
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| 23:39.49 | scummos_ | olspookishmagus: you should be able to look the commands up in the /usr/share/applications desktop files if you can't guess them |
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| 23:40.44 | iluminator101 | So i install a new debian install on my laptop, however is there anyway i can get it back to look and feel of my old debian install with out hassle, i have all my files save on external harddrive |
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| 23:41.00 | olspookishmagus | aha the think that breaks all the time is gmplayer and not mplayer |
| 23:41.46 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 23:42.25 | scummos_ | iluminator101: if you use the same desktop environment, there's a pretty good chance you can just copy the config files from your backup to your new home directory |
| 23:43.49 | iluminator101 | scummos how do i do that |
| 23:44.24 | scummos_ | there are many files and directories beginning with a dot . in your home directory |
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| 23:44.37 | scummos_ | they're usually hidden, and contain preferences for programs etc. |
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| 23:45.02 | scummos_ | you can try to copy the ones from your old installation to your new one, but i recommend backing up the new ones first |
| 23:45.25 | scummos_ | 95% |
| 23:45.29 | scummos_ | the big breakage begins soon |
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