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| 00:09.37 | pav5088 | I'm using some packages that continually upgrade themselves (even when they are at the latest version). I guess it would be a bug in the package metadata somewhere, or could this problem be caused by something else? Just looking for the cause so I can report it. |
| 00:10.39 | abrotman | pav5088: pastebin ?> |
| 00:11.04 | EduardeCalibal_ | Have a channel for bugs in packages? |
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| 00:11.15 | tishammer | hi |
| 00:11.19 | EduardeCalibal_ | Or a forun |
| 00:11.31 | llimeht | dpkg: tell EduardeCalibal_ about reportbug |
| 00:11.35 | tishammer | can i "backup" a disk with cp /dev/source_device /dev/destination_device ? |
| 00:11.40 | tishammer | what happens if i do that? |
| 00:11.54 | EduardeCalibal_ | Thanks. |
| 00:12.12 | tishammer | it will never exit, first of all, because it cannot reach EOF, right? |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | tishammer: you could try with dd |
| 00:12.47 | tishammer | i know i know. it's just a theoretical question. i'm trying to understand |
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| 00:13.22 | simonrvn | EduardeCalibal_: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
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| 00:14.08 | mauro | buonasera |
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| 00:14.12 | EduardeCalibal_ | I found, thanks again. |
| 00:14.40 | mauro | someone italian? |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:14.46 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:16.25 | tishammer | !nl |
| 00:16.25 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 00:16.29 | tishammer | nice |
| 00:16.38 | tishammer | debian kunt |
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| 00:18.29 | ice799 | Anyone know how I can say with iptables "Accept connections on ALL ports for the ip addresses 10.1.1.0/24" ? |
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| 00:19.15 | abrotman | ice799: #netfilter |
| 00:20.17 | ice799 | ill try there, i think i got it |
| 00:20.39 | ice799 | i THINK it's something like: -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -p all -s 10.1.1.0/24 |
| 00:20.43 | ice799 | or something like that. |
| 00:20.50 | sanmarcos | are there any tutorials on syslog forwarding between lenny 5 client/server? |
| 00:21.55 | xand | ice799: you don't need to specify -p |
| 00:22.01 | cheako | buy.com had a good deal on a Cisco managed 8port switch SRW2008 $205.99, so this will solve the vlan problems I'm having. |
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| 00:22.04 | stuckey | Hello |
| 00:22.15 | xand | -A INPUT -s 10.1.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT is sufficient |
| 00:22.20 | stuckey | I'm trying to use shntool to split an .ape file with a .cue file, and produce output as .flac. |
| 00:22.32 | stuckey | But I'm getting shnsplit: warning: failed to read data from input file using format: [ape] |
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| 00:23.47 | cheako | I have a telnet deamon that's corrupting my squashfs file. I'm attempting to repair the damage. I plan to do a black box test with an ascii table, any advice? |
| 00:24.31 | cheako | by ascii table I just mean every byte set to it's offset 256 times 0-255. |
| 00:24.47 | kiaas | why oh why can I have FreeBSD installed and running on my Sun Ultra 5 in under an hour and after a few months I still haven't managed to make debian boot? Dx |
| 00:25.05 | mike-burns | kiaas: Because FreeBSD is awesome. |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | kiaas: you're doing it wrong? :) |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | kiaas: and if that's all the detail you're going to give us .. we won't be able to help much |
| 00:25.49 | cheako | kiaas: I had the same problem, I booted ubuntu livecd or something and then debootstrapped it. |
| 00:25.53 | kiaas | Debian tries to use MBR by default. the only way to get around that it is to use something else to set a sun disk label |
| 00:26.32 | cheako | For me the problem was the kernel on the CD just wouldn't boot the system. |
| 00:26.32 | kiaas | Then..I don't even know what's happening. It still uses the sun disk label, but makes OpenFirmware throw a Fast Data Access MMU Miss |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | kiaas: are you installing on SPARC or something else ? |
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| 00:27.04 | kiaas | SPARC |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | kiaas: it's been awhile for me ... but i don't recall it being that hard |
| 00:27.14 | mike-burns | Speaking of leaving FreeBSD: the whole reason I'm running Linux is to get DisplayPort working. Can someone who's gotten it working with an Intel GM45 or ATI Radeon HD 3650 (Thinkpad T500) give me any suggestions or a link to where you figured out how to make it work? |
| 00:27.33 | abrotman | mike-burns: xrandr ? |
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| 00:27.48 | abrotman | kiaas: you've ready the installation manual, correct ? |
| 00:27.51 | mike-burns | abrotman: Doesn't recognize it. |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | mike-burns: what is the "DisplayPort" ? i have a T500 |
| 00:28.11 | abrotman | has HDMI and VGA out .. |
| 00:28.16 | s-c | NO Way |
| 00:28.23 | kiaas | DisplayPort is similar to HDMI, but not HDMI. |
| 00:28.26 | mike-burns | I don't have HDMI. |
| 00:28.33 | abrotman | oh .. then i guess that's what it is .. i've never tried to use it |
| 00:28.46 | mike-burns | Most people haven't, and few devices use it. |
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| 00:28.48 | abrotman | mike-burns: which version of debian ? |
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| 00:28.53 | mike-burns | abrotman: testing. |
| 00:28.56 | s-c | i use hdmi output daily |
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| 00:29.03 | s-c | on my laptop |
| 00:29.08 | s-c | with debian unstable |
| 00:29.10 | s-c | its money |
| 00:29.14 | mike-burns | Sure, HDMI support has been in X for a bit. |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/58641/ .. that's not it ? |
| 00:29.57 | mike-burns | abrotman: Mine says "DisplayPort disconnected". I don't see that in yours though. |
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| 00:30.08 | abrotman | mike-burns: what if you boot with it connected ? |
| 00:30.19 | mike-burns | abrotman: It only says "DisplayPort disconnected" in the radeonhd driver, too, not in the intel driver. |
| 00:30.23 | mike-burns | abrotman: Same. |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | you have two video cards ? |
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| 00:30.44 | mike-burns | Yes. |
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| 00:30.59 | mike-burns | I don't know why I got that option, but DP might only work in the ATI card so I'm happy I did. |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | so DisplayPort isn't HDMI, even tohugh my computer thinks it's HDMI ? |
| 00:31.31 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 00:31.33 | mike-burns | Right, and my computer has never mentioned HDMI. Maybe your T500 has HDMI instead? |
| 00:31.55 | abrotman | the logo above the port looks like a P inside a D |
| 00:32.06 | mike-burns | Huh, mine too. |
| 00:32.10 | abrotman | i guess it's possible they just changed it to HDMI .. NFC |
| 00:32.22 | kiaas | HDMI and Display ports aren't compatible. |
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| 00:32.50 | abrotman | the OS says it's HDMI .. plastic bits say it's a P inside a D |
| 00:32.56 | mike-burns | I've always ignored non-VGA until a month ago, so I know little about this aside from what "displayport xorg intel" and "displayport xorg radeon" will bring up. |
| 00:33.32 | mike-burns | I built the latest git pull of xf86-video-radeonhd and tried that today, but it didn't work. |
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| 00:34.00 | kiaas | I was forced to stop using only VGA when I bought an efika MX. they put it on pre-sale and dropped VGA before shipping them. VGA was a major selling point for me. |
| 00:34.02 | mike-burns | I can't get the display-port branch of xf86-video-intel to build because it expects a verion of Xorg that is actually older than what's in testing. |
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| 00:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Port#Relationship_with_HDMI |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | yeah .. i read that .. |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | i was just commenting on what the OS thinks, and what the plastic thinks |
| 00:35.08 | mike-burns | Yeah I can't explain abrotman 's situation. |
| 00:35.28 | simonrvn | bad labelling? wouldn't be the first time. |
| 00:36.21 | mike-burns | OK, figured it was worth asking in here in case anyone actually got it working. |
| 00:36.36 | mike-burns | I'll try #xorg, etc. later. |
| 00:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | So it looks like with the right cable you can connect HDMI and Display Port, but they don't necessarily suport all of the features of each other. |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 00:39.13 | sanmarcos | is there a way for remote logs in rsyslog to go to their own file? |
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| 00:46.52 | Tramp | sanmarcos: yes. you can filter on lots of stuff - but you have to check in the docs |
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| 00:47.54 | rgr | can anyone tell me how mpd is starting itself under root when I startup gnome? Its not in my preference for startup apps. |
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| 00:48.54 | sigmonsays | Hello. Any tips on getting python2.6 on debian 5.0 ? |
| 00:49.05 | T_X | when reporting a bug with bugreport and I'm having large files to attach which my mailserver can't handle (2x initrd files), where's the prefered destination I could upload those? |
| 00:49.06 | sigmonsays | running into dep hell |
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| 00:50.07 | babilen | sigmonsays: Just compile it yourself and install it to /usr/local - make sure to delete /usr/local/bin/python. You might also want to install virtualenv and install additional libraries in a virtualenv. Make sure to check out virtualenvwrapper |
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| 00:50.31 | T_X | and I'm having a /tmp/reportbug-cryptsetup-20100204-... is there a way to open it again for modification with reportbug? |
| 00:51.01 | simonrvn | sigmonsays: that's why you don't force a square into a circle.. |
| 00:51.01 | sigmonsays | babilen, that's just a big pita really... |
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| 00:51.18 | babilen | no, it's not |
| 00:52.00 | sigmonsays | different python library paths, I can no longer use apt for python packages, I run the risk of importinng a python2.5 in python2.6 (or vise versa), what's not pita about any of that? |
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| 00:52.38 | simonrvn | i also see it as a pita |
| 00:52.51 | simonrvn | bettr to get packaged and from backports |
| 00:52.54 | babilen | I have done it for months - and there is nothing really hard about 'workon 2.6' and 'pip install <python-package>' |
| 00:52.58 | simonrvn | better* |
| 00:53.24 | sanmarcos | Tramp: I think I found it |
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| 00:53.33 | streuner_ | maybe his sources.list is wrong? |
| 00:53.48 | babilen | I don't argue that - I am quite happy that that Python 2.6 finally migrated, but it's not a big problem to use the Python tools as wel |
| 00:54.04 | babilen | You just have to make sure not to mix the system python with your local install |
| 00:54.28 | sigmonsays | what's the point of apt if you are splashing source all over your os |
| 00:54.39 | llimeht | doesn't understand people writing code that requires compilers/libraries/environments that are widely deployed yet |
| 00:54.41 | babilen | sigmonsays: Use the supported version of Python then |
| 00:54.58 | sigmonsays | runs in circles and passes out |
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| 00:55.17 | babilen | sigmonsays: sleep tight |
| 00:55.43 | acu | I want to install squeeze on amd64 - from daily and I cannot properly partition a 750 GB hard disk - it just telling me that some thing lik error informing the kernel about modification to partitions bla blah Device or resource busy |
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| 00:56.29 | babilen | sigmonsays: Why do you need python 2.6? |
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| 00:57.08 | sanmarcos | *.*;!mail.* @myhost:514 |
| 00:57.19 | sanmarcos | I want to send everything but mail logs to that host in rsyslog |
| 00:57.24 | sanmarcos | is that correct, it doesnt seem to be working |
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| 00:58.28 | babilen | sigmonsays: If you are a developer you want to use virtualenvs anyway and if you want to software that requires python 2.6 (and if therefore not packaged for lenny) you have to live with the fact that you will have to maintain your own python install. You can also upgrade to squeeze or use a different distribution |
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| 00:58.40 | mike-burns | llimeht: The reason we write code that depends on new versions of environments is because of bug fixes and new features in the environment that make what was previously difficult, annoying, or impossible ... possible. |
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| 00:59.22 | llimeht | mike-burns: the changes between python 2.5 and 2.6 are minimal, and there is absolutely no point in writing code that no-one can run. |
| 00:59.27 | babilen | sigmonsays: *want to run software && *and is therefore |
| 00:59.58 | mike-burns | llimeht: I don't know the changelog between 2.5 and 2.6, but I do know that one person's minimal is another person's ability to complete a project. |
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| 01:00.32 | mike-burns | llimeht: Re: code no one else can run: there is definitely a large point to writing code that only you can run. |
| 01:00.37 | llimeht | mike-burns: occasionally. But you still want your customers/clients/average punters to be able to run the code |
| 01:00.50 | mike-burns | llimeht: Sometimes the client is a Web server that you fully control. |
| 01:00.59 | babilen | That is not true, but this is not the place to argue about that. (with statement, multiprocessing, from __future__ import unicode_literals, context managers, advanced string formatting, ..., ... ) |
| 01:01.00 | simonrvn | ohnoez |
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| 01:01.22 | mike-burns | Yeah, sorry for arguing this in here. |
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| 01:01.56 | babilen | What is so hard about compiling Python yourself and using virtualenvs ? |
| 01:02.31 | babilen | It's even really easy to deploy your software and make sure that the client runs exactly the versions against which you developed ... ... |
| 01:03.33 | babilen | And if you don't like that, try to backport the python packages yourself and host them on your private mirror. Or urge your clients to install Debian squeeze (what they should not do on production systems) |
| 01:03.43 | simonrvn | take gwibber. its more recent version only run with 2.6, and very specific packages. it's basically confined to running on ubuntu. how is that portable? |
| 01:04.40 | babilen | It's not. But a lot of people develop against 2.6/3.1 (with 2to3) these days .. |
| 01:05.29 | mike-burns | Seems to be written by some Ubuntu lovers, for Ubuntu. Fair enough. |
| 01:05.36 | EliasAmaral | I want to install debian in a chroot. I have found this package: cdebootstrap - Bootstrap a Debian system. I am on Ubuntu 9.10. Will this really work for building a debian system? |
| 01:05.54 | llimeht | EliasAmaral: yep, that's what it's for. |
| 01:06.20 | EliasAmaral | Thank you ^^ (I was not entirely trusting it) |
| 01:06.59 | babilen | mike-burns: this has *nothing* to do with ubuntu. It was developed against the current stable version of Python and the one supported by the Python community. |
| 01:07.05 | babilen | EliasAmaral: Have fun :-) |
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| 01:07.38 | simonrvn | mike-burns: gwibber is the only app that supports multiple protocols for linux. the rest are adobe air crappage that don't run on !windows !(mac os x) |
| 01:08.04 | mike-burns | Ah, my quick searching for Gwibber only brought up the Ubuntu page about it. My mistake. |
| 01:08.46 | mike-burns | I'm used to this; I couldn't run a lot of portable unix software because it was Linux-only. Made me want to write a FreeBSD-only piece of software that every Linux user wanted to use. |
| 01:09.25 | babilen | Writing portable software is hard. I would guess that most developers don't do this on purpose |
| 01:09.40 | mike-burns | I agree, and I sympathize with them. |
| 01:09.49 | babilen | but really ... --> #debian-offtopic |
| 01:10.03 | simonrvn | babilen: i got ignored by the main dev for bringing it up, and trolled by an ubuntu user |
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| 01:10.42 | simonrvn | but yeh, -> -ot |
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| 01:11.30 | Zer | Does anyone know of a BitTorrent client that can monitor total bandwidth usage on a connection and set the upload rate to the remainder of some allowed level of traffic? |
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| 01:13.27 | dbbolton | Zer what have you tried |
| 01:13.57 | Zer | Transmission. I don't mean a set bandwidth limit though, I mean a limit above all other traffic going through a machine |
| 01:14.19 | nooper | Zer: you can get QoS routers that do that |
| 01:14.28 | Zer | Ahh, you think just set it as a low priority |
| 01:14.40 | nooper | yeah |
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| 01:17.27 | EliasAmaral | Another question: Will it need special configuration for working with lvm? Such as selecting initrd etc. I have /boot outside lvm, and / inside it. I vaguely remember the installer asking for lvm, but it was on cd.. |
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| 01:18.11 | babilen | !tell Zer -about wondershaper |
| 01:18.16 | k-man | is there a way in top to filter the results based on a regex on the command name? |
| 01:18.24 | EliasAmaral | !tell EliasAmaral -about lvm |
| 01:18.32 | Zer | The site I found for Wondershaper was from easily five or six years ago. I'd assumed it was a defunct project |
| 01:18.39 | sanmarcos | can anyone explain to me what syncing is? in regards to syslog file sync? |
| 01:18.51 | dbbolton | Zer i recommend ktorrent |
| 01:18.56 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: ensuring that the file is on its way to disk |
| 01:19.15 | dbbolton | but if you need a gtk+ app, deluge is a decent substitute |
| 01:19.24 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: so it blocks until it confirms a write? |
| 01:19.40 | Zer | dbbolton: If anything I'd be looking for a daemon-based one. I've got a 1 Mbit 95% commit that rarely goes over 300 Kbps, was thinking of donating the rest to various good cause .torrents ;) |
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| 01:20.26 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: it commits the buffer cache to disk. it might return early, but I believe Linux at least waits until the controller has said the writes are done |
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| 01:20.35 | dbbolton | Zer i don't know about any torrent daemons. but rtorrent is text-based |
| 01:20.43 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: because of controller- and disk-level caching, it might not be physically on disk |
| 01:20.47 | Zer | though, for a desktop client, I've got to say that's a lot more featureful-looking than Transmission |
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| 01:20.57 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: I just wanted to know because I am setting up rsyslog to remote log. This is because that machine unexpectedly goes out of memory and trashes the disk, forcing a hard reboot. Of course syslog stopped writing the logs. so I am trying to remedy that by remote logging which should be in memory. |
| 01:21.07 | dbbolton | k-man what results |
| 01:21.12 | sanmarcos | then I can see what caused it |
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| 01:21.56 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: then I wouldn't expect syncing would matter except on the remote end (in case the remote end crashes) |
| 01:22.21 | \amethyst | sanmarcos: man fsync for what I assume rsyslog means by 'sync' |
| 01:22.35 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: good, it is the only way to debug what is causing that server to crash.. |
| 01:23.05 | \amethyst | well, there's also kgdb, but yeah :) |
| 01:23.10 | sanmarcos | the oom-killer is useless apparently, since the machine never recovers |
| 01:23.20 | sanmarcos | \amethyst: I just want to know which program is the culprit.. |
| 01:23.21 | Zer | sanmarcos: As for sync, if you don't have it fsync'ing, and it crashes immediately, you might not get the last log entry or two. On the other hand logging will be quicker |
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| 01:25.32 | \amethyst | bah, everybody knows forward Polish notation is the best |
| 01:25.34 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 01:31.41 | Zer | Hmm. What GUI is used for the Debian graphical installer? It's got a weird property where if you click down to highlight some text, if you move the mouse off with the button down it deselects |
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| 01:35.28 | abrotman | Zer: ti's a framebuffer IIRC |
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| 01:58.37 | sparr | how can I change the default file manager in gnome to something more featureful? |
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| 02:03.33 | Obsidian1723 | Hello all.. I have a really basic Debian question...... It looks like there are multiple CDs/DVDs for it, what I want is a single install CD like other distros have, does Debian have this? |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | Obsidian1723: you have broadband ? |
| 02:04.09 | Obsidian1723 | I do. |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | Obsidian1723: most people use the netinst in that case |
| 02:04.25 | Obsidian1723 | but I dont want to do the whole net install deal. |
| 02:04.31 | Obsidian1723 | hm |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | why not? it's really a better way in most cases |
| 02:04.58 | Obsidian1723 | because I want to be able to install offline. |
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| 02:05.54 | abrotman | Obsidian1723: well, which CDs you download depend on what you want to install |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | or you can download them all .. though there are no ISOs for contrib/non-free |
| 02:07.44 | Obsidian1723 | ah okies thanks |
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| 02:10.01 | sparr | it has always bothered me that no up-front bit of labeling explains to new users that all discs after the first are optional |
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| 02:11.14 | mike-burns | "The first CD/DVD disk contains all the files necessary to install a standard Debian system. |
| 02:11.14 | mike-burns | To avoid needless downloads, please do not download other CD or DVD image files unless you know that you need packages on them." |
| 02:11.24 | mike-burns | That's on http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 02:16.15 | abrotman | mike-burns: he's gone |
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| 02:23.13 | macrobat | debian.org is kind of hard to use. i think it needs a redesign |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | macrobat: join the team .. |
| 02:23.56 | kblessinggr | would there be any benefit hosting a database driven website, where you're not changing the PHP files, or static content, off /dev/shm on lenny? (like if I had a startup script copy the web folder into it's /dev/shm location for the webserver to serve out of) |
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| 02:25.38 | DogBoy | kblessinggr, say what |
| 02:26.15 | kblessinggr | would there be any speed benefit of hosting files out of /dev/shm (ie: ram), than off the drive, in cases where the files will not change during the hosting of them |
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| 02:27.19 | mike-burns | Caching in memory is faster than reading from disk. Isn't there an Apache module thta does this? |
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| 02:27.50 | mike-burns | mod_mem_cache probably. |
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| 02:27.55 | kblessinggr | not using apache |
| 02:27.59 | mike-burns | nginx? |
| 02:28.04 | DogBoy | assuming you want to use apache |
| 02:28.11 | kblessinggr | right now I only use /dev/shm to stash the .socket files for php andm ysql |
| 02:28.12 | kblessinggr | mysql |
| 02:28.18 | kblessinggr | I'm using Nginx 0.8.32 |
| 02:28.36 | DogBoy | I use fnord |
| 02:28.46 | DogBoy | mostly |
| 02:29.45 | SpringRoll | I'm creating an NFS share on my Debian filesystem box... I want the whole network to be able to access it. Will /share/path 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync) work in /etc/exports ? |
| 02:29.59 | SpringRoll | Assuming I have a single subnet ofc |
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| 02:30.22 | mike-burns | kblessinggr: Some Web searching gives me http://varnish-cache.org/wiki/ArchitectNotes with the explanation "It offers a good explanation of why trying to cache files in memory is usually counterproductive." |
| 02:31.12 | kblessinggr | probably ram-to-disk-to-ram kind of translation |
| 02:31.44 | kblessinggr | hrm, varnish -> nginx might be a good way to go, never tried varnish though |
| 02:32.23 | DogBoy | varnish guy could use a spell checker though |
| 02:33.29 | kblessinggr | :P , so i noticed |
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| 02:57.35 | hardbop200 | hey all - ok, I got my new laptop in, and I'm confused...does Intel 64bit = ia64? |
| 02:57.49 | Amarande | ia64 is only for Itanium based processors |
| 02:57.58 | Amarande | you probably have a Core something or other |
| 02:58.11 | Amarande | I forget what Core uses though ... been an AMD guy for far too long |
| 02:58.12 | hardbop200 | Amarande: oooooooooh. yes, you're right - core 2 or something like that |
| 02:58.24 | hardbop200 | so that's why nothing is working, heh |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | hardbop200: no, you want amd64 or i386 |
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| 02:59.17 | hardbop200 | abrotman: cool, thank you. |
| 02:59.20 | sanmarcos | I am doing *.*;cron.none @host in rsyslog, but I am still getting this kind of message: elaliado CRON[12520]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 02:59.29 | sanmarcos | doesn't cron.none exclude all cron messages? |
| 02:59.33 | fluorine | hi. is there a reason why I see 3 udev daemons in my process list? |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | fluorine: i have two .. |
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| 03:00.05 | sanmarcos | fluorine: forks, it doesnt mean that they consume more memory |
| 03:00.10 | sanmarcos | it is very confusing |
| 03:00.18 | fluorine | sanmarcos: indeed. |
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| 03:01.02 | fluorine | the funny thing is, when i first installed squeeze on this box, there was only one udev daemon running...wasn't until after i installed a build-deps that this forking started. |
| 03:01.03 | Amarande | it's been a while since I checked my full process list |
| 03:01.09 | Amarande | almost always when I invoke ps, it gets piped through grep heh |
| 03:01.18 | fluorine | :) |
| 03:01.50 | fluorine | free |
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| 03:04.13 | Amarande | maybe it's a glitch/weird new behavior with squeeze |
| 03:04.30 | Amarande | on lenny I only have one udev daemon process |
| 03:04.58 | Tramp | sanmarcos: that's most probably a message from the auth-facility |
| 03:05.08 | sanmarcos | Tramp: authpriv or auth? |
| 03:05.19 | Tramp | sanmarcos: that's the same |
| 03:05.36 | sanmarcos | how so? |
| 03:05.41 | sanmarcos | they are different facilities, |
| 03:05.45 | Tramp | sanmarcos: rsyslog has a way to log facility/priority with the message. Otherwise it's hard to find out |
| 03:05.51 | Amarande | %#$# |
| 03:05.52 | ravenbird | Amarande: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:05.55 | Amarande | I forgot what I wanted to google. |
| 03:06.18 | sanmarcos | Tramp: indeed but if you send a tag (see man logger) it hides the facility name in the log |
| 03:06.25 | Tramp | sanmarcos: no. authpriv is the new name for auth |
| 03:07.03 | Tramp | sanmarcos: not sure what you mean. with logger (1) you specifiy the facility/priority |
| 03:07.23 | sanmarcos | Tramp: right, but if you specify -t CRON or whatever, it won't show the name of the facility in the log |
| 03:07.34 | sanmarcos | Feb 3 23:55:01 elaliado CRON[12673]: |
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| 03:08.13 | sanmarcos | or at least not in my output template |
| 03:08.23 | sanmarcos | anyhow, shutting up authpriv has fixed it |
| 03:08.27 | Tramp | well, maybe that's ther problem .... but I honestly don't know. |
| 03:08.42 | sanmarcos | I know, its so arcane.. |
| 03:09.24 | Tramp | logging based on facilities/priorities was always a broken concept, since it never had clean semantics. But well, one has to live with it. |
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| 03:10.37 | hardbop200 | and whaddya know, i386 boots like a champ. thanks for the help, everyone! |
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| 03:12.04 | Tramp | "LOG_CRIT ->critical conditions" "LOG_ALERT->action must be taken immediately" - boy, who ever thought of this ... |
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| 03:13.05 | makaveli9 | i have a raid1 setup with 2x1TB drives. sda1/2/3/4 got booted off the raid array. i added sda1/2/3 back in and they are fine. when i try adding sda4 |
| 03:13.09 | makaveli9 | back in, the system freezes up for a while and dmesg shows sdb unrecoverable i/o read error flor block 9114837. so the ready errors are for the drive |
| 03:13.11 | makaveli9 | that it's supposed to be syncing from. is there a way to skip over these bad blocks? if not, what else can i do at this point is there a way to find |
| 03:13.16 | makaveli9 | out which file these blocks are associted with? |
| 03:13.35 | sanmarcos | Tramp: i wish that we could modernize stuff, like OS X did.. but for the server |
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| 03:19.26 | DogBoy | sanmarcos, modernize? |
| 03:20.00 | sanmarcos | yes, remove all of the old legacy cruft |
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| 03:20.17 | sanmarcos | and provide a streamlined experience with a nice control UI for servers |
| 03:20.22 | sanmarcos | for monitoring, etc |
| 03:20.54 | DogBoy | UI? |
| 03:21.06 | sanmarcos | yes I want to visualize logs |
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| 03:21.12 | oconnore_ | hello |
| 03:21.18 | sanmarcos | see the status of system etc |
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| 03:21.56 | Raydiation | hi im struggling with building deb packages. if i take a look at existing ones and build the tar structure like this, will it work? |
| 03:22.21 | oconnore_ | question: I am looking at the "small cd" section of the debian installation website. if I just want a console (no X11) linux install, will one of the small cd's work? |
| 03:22.23 | Raydiation | like debian-binary, control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz |
| 03:22.48 | oconnore_ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 03:22.56 | hardbop200 | during the debian install, I've never done anything but base system. this laptop package it's offering me - do I want that? I mean, is there really anything there that I care about? |
| 03:23.08 | Xorm | the small CDs download from the interned the wanted/needed packages |
| 03:23.23 | hardbop200 | oconnore_: I always use the business card cd |
| 03:23.49 | oconnore_ | hardbop200: cool, so you do the business card cd, then use apt to get whatever else you want? |
| 03:24.07 | hardbop200 | oconnore_: yup! makes the install a lot faster. |
| 03:24.23 | oconnore_ | hardbop200: SWEET! just what i'm looking for. Thanks for your help. |
| 03:24.28 | hardbop200 | oconnore_: I talk like I know what I'm doing, and here I am asking wtf is the laptop package :) |
| 03:25.59 | oconnore_ | hardbop200: I believe it detects laptop settings for power management. For example, if you use laptop_mode configuration or want to dim your screen. But then I'm coming from ubuntu... take it with a grain of salt... :) |
| 03:26.07 | oconnore_ | thanks again |
| 03:26.28 | hardbop200 | oconnore_: welcome, thank you |
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| 03:27.42 | bikcmp | hello all, a quick question; I'd like to add a user to my debian 5 server, and disallow ALL access except for one command; irssi |
| 03:27.48 | bikcmp | Any way's to do this? |
| 03:28.10 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: jail |
| 03:28.16 | bikcmp | please explain |
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| 03:29.02 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: search ssh chroot |
| 03:29.07 | bikcmp | thanks |
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| 03:30.06 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: I don't understand it sadly; like, i don't want them to be able to do *ANYTHING* but irssi |
| 03:30.31 | \amethyst | bikcmp: and you'd probably want to keep them from running commands from inside irssi, too? |
| 03:30.39 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: hard to do.. |
| 03:30.47 | sanmarcos | that is why you want a chroot jail |
| 03:31.08 | \amethyst | bikcmp: meaning you'd need to either build an environment (a chroot) that has only irssi and the absolutely required other things (shared libraries etc) |
| 03:31.08 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: http://tuxtraining.com/2008/06/05/put-irssi-in-a-chroot-jail/ |
| 03:31.24 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: perfect ;) |
| 03:31.26 | bikcmp | thansk |
| 03:31.57 | \amethyst | bikcmp: a chroot also has the advantage that, if there is a security hole in irssi, they'll only be able to stomp on files inside the chroot |
| 03:32.14 | \amethyst | unless there's a separate security hole that lets them get root (root can escape a chroot) |
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| 03:33.27 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: google arround for irssi chroot or irssi jail there might be more |
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| 03:34.12 | sanmarcos | is there a way to trigger an out of memory reaction from the kernel? |
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| 03:35.16 | bikcmp | -su: mkjailenv: command not found |
| 03:35.17 | bikcmp | :/ |
| 03:35.45 | hardbop200 | sanmarcos: I'm waay out of my league here, but would a fork bomb do such a thing? |
| 03:35.56 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: -su: mkjailenv: command not found |
| 03:36.34 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: no idea never done it, you must install that program or script |
| 03:36.38 | sanmarcos | I would re-read the tutorial |
| 03:36.46 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: what is the apt package? |
| 03:36.51 | sanmarcos | I do not know |
| 03:37.02 | sanmarcos | I would look at how openssh handles chroot too |
| 03:37.08 | sanmarcos | and adapt it to your irssi matter |
| 03:37.15 | sanmarcos | since your user will probably use ssh |
| 03:37.36 | bikcmp | jailtool ;)P |
| 03:37.36 | sanmarcos | honestly, if you cant trust the person to that extent, you probably should not give him a shell |
| 03:37.47 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: well, i do, but it's like |
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| 03:38.00 | bikcmp | I want it to be a bit more difficult to just do rm -rf / |
| 03:38.01 | bikcmp | lol |
| 03:38.05 | sanmarcos | he cant do that |
| 03:38.09 | sanmarcos | permissions won't let him. |
| 03:38.24 | bikcmp | well |
| 03:38.28 | bikcmp | that was kinda a joke, but I Mean |
| 03:38.30 | sanmarcos | he only should have read access to some binaries, libraries, rw on /tmp and rwx on his home |
| 03:38.31 | sanmarcos | thats it |
| 03:38.33 | bikcmp | f**k up the files |
| 03:38.39 | sanmarcos | he cant.. |
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| 03:38.48 | sanmarcos | !permissions |
| 03:38.49 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 03:41.32 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: there is little use in using a jail with a person you know |
| 03:41.43 | sanmarcos | and trust |
| 03:42.35 | Amarande | there is also little point in allowing a person you do not know and trust access to your linux box |
| 03:42.39 | Amarande | well |
| 03:42.41 | Amarande | unless it's money, anyway |
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| 03:42.55 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: What I'm trying to do is make a secure shell to a IRC server I Have |
| 03:43.09 | bikcmp | by connecting via the security of SSH to the local debian server |
| 03:43.10 | sanmarcos | what? |
| 03:43.22 | sanmarcos | huh? |
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| 03:43.38 | sanmarcos | explain your magic sorcerer |
| 03:43.59 | bikcmp | sanmarcos: connect to a remote server via ssh, launch irssi and connect to the server, which is also running on the server, so when you SSH to it, it would be 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:44.26 | sanmarcos | there is no need for that |
| 03:44.31 | sanmarcos | google ssh tunnels |
| 03:44.52 | sanmarcos | !ssh tunnel |
| 03:44.52 | dpkg | i guess ssh tunneling is at http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/faq/howto/sshtunneling.html, or at http://www.uoregon.edu/~miyake/sshtunneling/, or at http://www.google.com/search?q='ssh+tunneling' |
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| 03:46.01 | sanmarcos | ssh -f user@yourserver.com -L 2000:127.0.0.1:6667 -N should work |
| 03:46.18 | sanmarcos | connect to 127.0.0.1 on your client with port 2000, should access the closed 6667 on your server |
| 03:46.23 | sanmarcos | securely through ssh |
| 03:47.33 | iluminator101 | hi I am having trouble writing to an external expansion drive from debian, it says i dont have permission...hmmm?? |
| 03:47.50 | ice799 | Hi I am using debian lenny and the userland nfs server. For some reason, it seems that when I use mount.nfs3 and try to pass mountport and port |
| 03:47.58 | ice799 | it seems (via strace) that the mount client is ignoring the ports |
| 03:48.12 | ice799 | and trying to connect to portmap (on port 111). |
| 03:48.20 | sanmarcos | iluminator101: we need more info, probably not mounted correctly |
| 03:48.30 | ice799 | Anyone know if this doesnt work or something on debian? |
| 03:48.52 | bugjar | that sunysb.edu link for ssh tunneling is somehow out of date. returns a customised 404 error |
| 03:48.56 | iluminator101 | well i am debian sqeeze, its a seagate expansion drive with ntfs |
| 03:49.18 | iluminator101 | it mounted i can pull files from it cannot write to it |
| 03:49.29 | iluminator101 | i cannot write to it |
| 03:49.38 | DogBoy | what's so surprising about that |
| 03:49.42 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 03:50.00 | Amarande | iluminator101, you really don't want to enable write access to ntfs |
| 03:50.11 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: yep, that command should work great, http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/ssh-tunnel.html |
| 03:50.24 | bugjar | http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/facilities/faqs/SSHTunnelingUnix.html looks like the closest fit from their site search |
| 03:50.25 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: no need for jail or anything just tunnel it |
| 03:50.30 | Amarande | write ntfs from windows, ext3 from linux |
| 03:50.57 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: ssh user@yourserver.com -L 6667:localhost:6667 -N -f |
| 03:51.01 | iluminator101 | hmm...i was able to do it before.... |
| 03:51.07 | sanmarcos | bikcmp: then connect to localhost:6667 on your machine |
| 03:51.07 | iluminator101 | on my last install |
| 03:51.32 | DogBoy | iluminator101, why ntfs? |
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| 03:52.33 | bugjar | Amarande, why wouldn't you? in the bad, old days, i can guess that would be true, but supposedly, NTFS write has been fixed |
| 03:52.50 | iluminator101 | well it says hpfs/ntfs when i do fdisk -l |
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| 03:53.23 | iluminator101 | i have ntfs-3g |
| 03:54.05 | Amarande | bugjar: the last time I used ntfs on linux it was still the bad old days |
| 03:54.15 | ice799 | Arg |
| 03:54.21 | ice799 | debian nfs-common doesnt support mountport and port |
| 03:54.23 | ice799 | Argggg. |
| 03:54.35 | bugjar | Amarande, fair enough. i gave up back then. |
| 03:54.56 | Amarande | actually, I know of one particularly annoying issue with NTFS that I'm not sure would have been fixed |
| 03:55.07 | Amarande | if you have an NTFS drive mounted, and don't cleanly unmount it (eg. power failure or such) |
| 03:55.19 | macrobat | iluminator101: do you have write permissions for the fodler where ntfs is mounted? |
| 03:55.25 | macrobat | folder |
| 03:55.31 | DogBoy | oh a good suggestion |
| 03:55.33 | Amarande | at least last time I tried, you weren't able to mount it again on linux at all until you hooked it up to a win box for the sake of then cleanly unmounting it |
| 03:55.51 | bugjar | iluminator101, there is, if you have administrator rights on a windows box (i presume the need to write to a FS with both Windows and Linux) a ext3 driver for windows |
| 03:55.55 | Amarande | has linux improved at all on that front? |
| 03:56.14 | iluminator101 | macrobat how do i check that |
| 03:56.25 | abrotman | !tell iluminator101 about permissions |
| 03:57.11 | iluminator101 | well how do i change the permission for ntfs-config |
| 03:57.12 | bugjar | Amarande, technically, I do not know, since I don't run it, but yes, that's the ntfs3g drivers. |
| 03:58.13 | iluminator101 | well this is buggy, it shouts off randomly sometimes |
| 03:58.24 | bugjar | shouts |
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| 04:00.32 | bugjar | ooops. not ext3, ext2 driver for windows. "ext2ifs" and "ext2fsd" |
| 04:00.40 | morphix | Amarande: if you didnt 'safely remove' in windows, you would have to go back to windows to then safely remove then you could mount again on linux |
| 04:00.43 | bugjar | a minor technicality |
| 04:00.51 | morphix | if the partition was mounted in linux and the power failed |
| 04:00.55 | morphix | doesnt matter |
| 04:01.00 | morphix | it will be mountable again straight away |
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| 04:01.46 | Amarande | morphix: yeah. I think that's the issue I remember |
| 04:01.49 | Amarande | pretty irritating, really |
| 04:02.13 | Amarande | especially if the last time you used it was, say, to back up stuff from your windows drive before you nuked it for single boot linux |
| 04:02.30 | morphix | it can be worked around |
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| 04:02.37 | morphix | you can mount it anyway using --force |
| 04:02.52 | morphix | then it just clears the file which contains the 'check' |
| 04:03.00 | morphix | then you can continue to mount as per normal from then on |
| 04:03.03 | morphix | with no need of windows |
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| 04:04.41 | morphix | Amarande: eg. mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/usb1 -o force |
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| 04:04.55 | acidslep | so my usb behaves really strange |
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| 04:05.09 | acidslep | like variable usefulness |
| 04:05.44 | acidslep | and generally random behavior. i am using a USB2.0 pci card for most of my ports. where whould i start for figure out? |
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| 04:06.45 | iluminator101 | Whats default font on windows xp, on like the menus and stuff |
| 04:09.28 | acidslep | ill check |
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| 04:10.10 | acidslep | it seems to be a split between trebuchet and tahoma |
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| 04:12.49 | iluminator101 | thanks trebuchet MS thats what i set mine to |
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| 04:17.42 | rumpsy | omg, time applet is not properly!, even i installed ntp, and tried to set manual, but i automatically assigned to some time, :( |
| 04:17.59 | rumpsy | omg, time applet is not working properly!, even i installed ntp, and tried to set manual, but i automatically assigned to some time, :( |
| 04:18.15 | rumpsy | s/i/it |
| 04:18.23 | rumpsy | err |
| 04:18.54 | acidslep | is it a number of hours off? you may have your timezone set incorrectly |
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| 04:20.09 | rumpsy | acidslep: yes, i changed that, time location to india/kolkata, but it automatically assigning some default time |
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| 04:21.15 | iluminator101 | thanks bye |
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| 04:22.44 | rumpsy | Even after i change time manually, it assigning some default time, its not correct ! |
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| 04:24.07 | acidslep | use the date command if you are not already. |
| 04:24.58 | rumpsy | date command? i donno that |
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| 04:28.50 | acidslep | rumpsy, open a terminal |
| 04:28.56 | rumpsy | okay |
| 04:29.11 | acidslep | and tyyype |
| 04:29.41 | acidslep | date -u -s 010404292010.10 |
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| 04:30.03 | rumpsy | 1 sec plz |
| 04:30.06 | acidslep | should be good. type "man date" after that if you want to learn more. |
| 04:30.27 | acidslep | um, wait. |
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| 04:30.55 | rumpsy | omg, it says invalid date |
| 04:31.00 | rumpsy | :( |
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| 04:33.47 | acidslep | yeah, that was my bad. sorry. type this sudo date -u -s @1265257990 |
| 04:34.48 | rumpsy | okay. |
| 04:35.09 | rumpsy | okay, cool |
| 04:35.28 | rumpsy | what is that @1265257990 |
| 04:36.20 | Amarande | seconds since the Epoch |
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| 04:37.13 | rumpsy | oh |
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| 04:38.06 | rgr | Is seahorse now demoted in gnome? I see gnome-keyring-manager seems to the the daemon of choice. |
| 04:38.28 | rumpsy | acidslep: Thank you man |
| 04:39.26 | Zer | Say, if X is complaining that various resolutions supported are 'too big for the virtual screen', but there is no Virtual line in xorg.conf, where might that be coming from? |
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| 04:41.25 | acidslep | well the virt matches the real by default, and IIRC some window managers can grap the virtual res, that would keep X from increasing it. are you changing the res once X is running? |
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| 04:42.19 | Zer | Well, the log suggests it is rejecting about half of them out of hand |
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| 04:44.13 | acidslep | the normal users solution to this is to deal with the compromised resoultion and run a frontend to xrandr. said program will allow you to set the real and virtual resolutions and save them for future X session. I do not know how that is done, because mine do not edit xorg.conf |
| 04:44.13 | sweetandy | Is there a way to, from the command line, force ntpd to update? |
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| 04:44.19 | sweetandy | update the time, I mean? |
| 04:44.20 | Zer | It's quite puzzling. The video card is just a KVM virtual card |
| 04:44.33 | Zer | which I know for a fact can go over 800x600 |
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| 04:44.58 | sweetandy | My computer thinks that it is December 31st, 1903, and won't load anything until I fix it (which I can't do immediately at login due to lack of permissions) |
| 04:45.24 | kanobe | sweetandy: You might be able to use the ntpdate command |
| 04:46.10 | sweetandy | I've logged in via fluxbox to try to fix the problem |
| 04:46.17 | acidslep | hehe. sudo date -u -s @1265258760 |
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| 04:46.33 | kanobe | acidslep: That would work too. |
| 04:46.57 | acidslep | ntupdate is a seperate package, and i don't think he can install new ones. wait, is it? |
| 04:47.07 | kanobe | Yeah it's a separate package. |
| 04:47.18 | sweetandy | Hooray! |
| 04:47.19 | kanobe | What about stopping and restarting ntpd? |
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| 04:47.38 | kanobe | sudo /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 04:48.23 | kanobe | Anyone know a good channel to ask questions about the ptrace system call? |
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| 04:48.32 | kanobe | Like, a Linux development channel of some sort? |
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| 04:49.11 | acidslep | don't know of any offhand |
| 04:50.06 | kanobe | Ok, np |
| 04:50.21 | acidslep | #*nix-dev |
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| 04:50.27 | acidslep | don't know about its activity.. |
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| 04:51.15 | acidslep | ##linux, maybe #linux-coders, |
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| 04:52.22 | kanobe | Hmm, good suggestions |
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| 04:52.40 | valium | hi all - just a quicky. I have a Deb Server with about 100 users (windows machines) and need a recommendation for antivirus. I have tried clam but it doenst seem to have a great detection rate. Any suggestions |
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| 04:53.50 | kanobe | valium: Sorry, I don't have any suggestions |
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| 04:54.27 | HellMind | I got lenny, where should I put ipt_state to be loaded at boot? |
| 04:55.26 | acidslep | don't know. whats ipt_state? |
| 04:55.45 | HellMind | a module |
| 04:56.00 | HellMind | where should I load the iptables modules that i want to be loaded at boot time |
| 04:56.12 | nsadmin | that sounds like an iptables module |
| 04:56.51 | nsadmin | you don't do that, the filtering does all that for you; for the same reason you can't compile them into the kernel |
| 04:56.53 | Rusty1 | valium: f-prot perhaps |
| 04:56.54 | HellMind | where is the default place to load iptables modules at boot. |
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| 04:58.35 | HellMind | so -_- nobody knows. |
| 04:58.54 | HellMind | I know there are several dirty ways to load them, but I want the distro standard |
| 04:59.33 | acidslep | umm.. is /etc/modules what you are looking for? |
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| 05:00.33 | HellMind | i tried to creat an alias on etc moddprobe.d alias like iptables module1 modul2 |
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| 05:00.44 | HellMind | then in etc modules add iptables but it isnt work |
| 05:01.03 | acidslep | nsadmin said you don't have to. |
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| 05:01.19 | kanobe | HellMind: You could try putting them into an if-up.d script for when the interface is brought up. |
| 05:01.19 | kanobe | HellMind: And also add yout firewall rules there. |
| 05:01.19 | kanobe | HellMind: Like in the iptables howto. |
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| 05:01.39 | HellMind | im using firewall builder |
| 05:01.52 | HellMind | i prefer to put them in a common place |
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| 05:03.56 | kanobe | HellMind: /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 05:04.02 | magyar | hi, i have jre installed on squeeze, the iceweasel plugin shows up as "Java Plugin TM 1.6.0_16-b01" but i cant get java to work. I get a java console error |
| 05:04.05 | kanobe | HellMind: Write a bash script, and put it there |
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| 05:04.17 | kanobe | HellMind: It's called when the network interface is brought up |
| 05:04.28 | kanobe | HellMind: So in there you can modprobe the modules you need |
| 05:04.47 | kanobe | HellMind: And then if you want in if-down.d/ you can unload the modules. |
| 05:04.58 | kanobe | HellMind: But that's optional really. |
| 05:05.33 | valium | thanks kanobe and Rusty for your feedback! |
| 05:05.40 | HellMind | kanobe that ugly, it will execute it everytime a iface is up -_- |
| 05:05.43 | HellMind | its a server |
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| 05:06.05 | kanobe | HellMind: I'n pretty sure there is a way to tell what interface is being brought up in the script. |
| 05:06.19 | kanobe | HellMind: Either an environment variable or argument, but I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 05:06.24 | HellMind | thes but i dont want to select an iface to use |
| 05:06.33 | HellMind | its a server i want to load that module on boot |
| 05:06.45 | HellMind | i dont care if none of the ifaces are down |
| 05:06.48 | HellMind | ar up |
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| 05:07.07 | kanobe | HellMind: Huh? |
| 05:07.08 | HellMind | I know how to do that, but isnt the place to doit in my opinion |
| 05:07.17 | kanobe | HellMind: huh. |
| 05:07.26 | kanobe | HellMind: Well, /etc/modules then. |
| 05:07.34 | HellMind | yeah I will use that ty |
| 05:07.38 | kanobe | HellMind: Or make an init script in /etc/init.d and modprobe it there. |
| 05:07.51 | HellMind | thats ugly too :( |
| 05:07.57 | kanobe | HellMind: Why is that ugly? |
| 05:08.00 | kanobe | HellMind: I don't get it |
| 05:08.11 | kanobe | HellMind: init.d is meant for system initialization |
| 05:08.18 | kanobe | HellMind: And you are performing system initialization. |
| 05:08.22 | HellMind | kanobe because isnt in order |
| 05:08.30 | kanobe | HellMind: huh? |
| 05:08.33 | kanobe | HellMind: What order? |
| 05:08.41 | HellMind | thats for daemons services |
| 05:08.44 | HellMind | not modules |
| 05:08.59 | HellMind | I like to be organized |
| 05:09.14 | kanobe | HellMind: Not necessarily for deamons. |
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| 05:09.37 | kanobe | HellMind: And you can specify the order of init scripts. |
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| 05:10.28 | kanobe | HellMind: Plus, using init.d you can copy the script to other servers witout affecting other software, where with the /etc/modules file you would have to edit it on each machine since each machine may have different initial modules in that file. |
| 05:10.47 | kanobe | HellMind: Heck, you could make the init.d script into a debian package. |
| 05:10.50 | Tramp | HellMind: I don't understand your problem. iptable_filter should be loaded automagically when the kernel is compiled with netfilter support. All other modules (match and target extensions) are triggered through the appropriate iptables-commands |
| 05:11.11 | Tramp | so what exactly do you want to load? |
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| 05:13.42 | HellMind | tramp let say ip_conntrack |
| 05:13.58 | HellMind | I try to load that with modprobe but notthing happen and isnt listed on lsmod |
| 05:14.02 | Tramp | should be pulled in through -m state, iirc |
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| 05:15.02 | Tramp | or even -m conntrack |
| 05:15.24 | neoice | if I have a drive that needs fscked, I should just run 'fsck -y' and go make dinner, right? |
| 05:15.34 | HellMind | Tramp put it where? |
| 05:15.58 | HazardX | neoice, is it mounted? |
| 05:16.16 | Tramp | in the iptables-command iptables ... -m conntrack ......... |
| 05:16.37 | HellMind | Tramp ok |
| 05:17.38 | Tramp | only exception I know from the top of my head is -p, which automatically pulls in the protocol-module (i.e. you need no "-p tcp -m tcp". "-p tcp" is enough) |
| 05:18.03 | Tramp | but otherwise, if you use a match-extension you have to specify the module with -m |
| 05:18.15 | HellMind | its more complex because im using it withing a container, so there must be a openvz issue |
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| 05:18.28 | HellMind | on the container fails |
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| 05:18.48 | neoice | HazardX: of course not. I have to move the drive to a different machine so it doesnt take 3 days |
| 05:20.10 | HazardX | ?! |
| 05:20.43 | neoice | ever fsck'd a terabyte on a 1.3GHz Duron? |
| 05:20.44 | neoice | dont. |
| 05:20.45 | Amarande | wonders if the designers of fsck had the word association in mind when deciding how to abbreviate it. |
| 05:20.57 | HazardX | no, but I've done it on a PentiumII |
| 05:21.15 | neoice | I'd rather do it on my Core2Quad |
| 05:21.16 | Amarande | probably because they ended up screaming said word on the slow machines of yore when needing to fsck large amounts of disk. :) |
| 05:21.35 | acidslep | by large amounts you mean 8.2 gig right? |
| 05:21.36 | nsadmin | that's what she said... |
| 05:21.44 | Amarande | acidslep, even that took forever on old machines |
| 05:21.54 | acidslep | oh my, that was a loud laughing sound i made |
| 05:21.57 | Amarande | remember, that was back in the day of 33MHz disk access if you were LUCKY |
| 05:22.02 | acidslep | "fsck large amounds of dick" |
| 05:22.06 | acidslep | i mean disk.. |
| 05:22.08 | acidslep | >< |
| 05:22.08 | Amarande | if you weren't, you had PIO |
| 05:22.10 | acidslep | good night |
| 05:22.16 | Amarande | thinks of the time it would take to fsck several gigs on PIO |
| 05:22.19 | HazardX | Oh GOD PIO. |
| 05:22.22 | Amarande | shudders instinctively |
| 05:22.31 | HazardX | on a SUB-1GHz chip.... |
| 05:22.43 | HazardX | with 66MHz main memory.... |
| 05:22.47 | HazardX | (and system bus) |
| 05:22.59 | Amarande | Hazard: back then, sites being "down for maintenance" for days was probably reasonable if someone switched off a machine by accident? :) |
| 05:23.10 | HazardX | something like that I'm sure |
| 05:23.14 | Amarande | that "down for maintenance" was probably how long it took the server to BOOT |
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| 05:24.03 | HazardX | the thing that takes my server the longest is checking quotas |
| 05:24.19 | neoice | man, the one time I dont have a half dozen Linux CDs laying around is the one time I need to live boot |
| 05:24.30 | HazardX | it'd boot in a few minutes if not for the HALF HOUR AT LEAST it spends "checking quotas" :/ |
| 05:24.44 | Amarande | heh, quotas are so 2005 |
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| 05:25.04 | Amarande | even major web space providers have been doing away with hard quotas lately |
| 05:25.06 | Amarande | dreamhost for instance |
| 05:25.22 | HazardX | meh |
| 05:25.39 | HazardX | works for me, keeps users from eating too much space without having to fragment drives into permanant partitons |
| 05:25.53 | HazardX | and once the systems up they're not so bad, its just the startup check that takes ages. |
| 05:26.34 | Amarande | you have users who abuse space? |
| 05:26.47 | neoice | so... fsck -y and drink margaritas? |
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| 05:27.02 | neoice | and hope only a few MB wind up in lost+found... |
| 05:27.04 | Amarande | just make sure you use the don julio |
| 05:27.09 | Amarande | because cuervo sucks :P |
| 05:27.16 | HazardX | eh sorta |
| 05:27.27 | HazardX | more like they're kinda clueless sometimes |
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| 05:28.29 | HazardX | and somehow think sending giant downloaded movies & the like to the _HIGH_REDUNDENCY_BACKUP_ server is a good use of resources |
| 05:29.14 | Amarande | hey, isn't that half of what the internet is about? |
| 05:29.25 | Amarande | half of it is porn, half of it is pirated stuff (though the porn is mostly technically pirated anyway :P) |
| 05:29.32 | Amarande | and the tiny sliver that remains is actual productive stuff! |
| 05:29.54 | HazardX | yea pretty much |
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| 05:30.12 | Amarande | sometimes the tiny sliver expands, but that's mostly when a new linux distro or World of Warcraft patch has just come out |
| 05:30.23 | neoice | I wonder if I should time this fsck just for fun |
| 05:30.37 | HazardX | I just don't the server to be breaking its back trying to redudantly store multi-gigabyte movies with the same level of care that it does everything else |
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| 05:31.53 | webwanderer | hello folks. |
| 05:31.59 | neoice | wtf, fsck clean/// |
| 05:32.15 | neoice | but my mobo USB borked and hard unmounted.... |
| 05:32.24 | HazardX | neoice, you could force it |
| 05:32.35 | webwanderer | On openbox, doc apps show window decorations. How may I disable that? |
| 05:32.44 | HazardX | it probably just did a journal replay and may not have actually had anything pending |
| 05:33.09 | HazardX | if you want to be sure, force a consistancy check and it *WILL* find any problems |
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| 05:34.00 | kurrent | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:35.26 | HTT-Bird | why didn't make-kpkg create a kernel package that installed an initramfs to go with the kernel, even though I passed --initrd on the make-kpkg cmdline when I ran the kernel_image target? |
| 05:35.29 | neoice | HazardX: yeah, it probably wasnt writing at the time. I just know on my old mobo, it would have USB errors and hard unmount about once a month... always took a fsck just to mount. only lost data once though |
| 05:35.45 | neoice | thats just what happens when you build machines out of garbage parts. |
| 05:36.04 | HazardX | I dunno |
| 05:36.32 | HazardX | I've got several machines (read, all of them) coposed out of junk/discarded/repaired/mangled components, they don't give me any trouble. |
| 05:36.43 | HTT-Bird | and what's the proper way to tell make-kpkg that "yeah, I need an initramfs to go with that kernel plz..." |
| 05:37.15 | HazardX | hehehee |
| 05:37.34 | HazardX | I can never remember that one, I just beat it with a hammer until it bleeds out an initramfs for me. |
| 05:37.41 | HTT-Bird | lol |
| 05:37.54 | nsadmin | on debian? and when? |
| 05:38.14 | HazardX | ? |
| 05:38.30 | nsadmin | make-kpkg --initrd |
| 05:38.34 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, yes, Debian Squeeze (trying to build a 2.6.32 with B43_DEBUG and B43_FORCE_PIO) |
| 05:38.53 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, :( that's what I did...I'll try again :P |
| 05:39.03 | HazardX | is there some kind of force option? |
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| 05:39.05 | tingi_ | how do i block azureus ? i'm a system admin and want to thwart users from downloading music/movies. They have these random source ports. So i can't block by that |
| 05:39.11 | nsadmin | then it builds a package that LATER builds an initrd, when it installs |
| 05:39.29 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, yeah, but the package that it spat out did not build an initramfs |
| 05:39.33 | HTT-Bird | of any sort :P |
| 05:39.47 | nsadmin | did you say --initrd? |
| 05:39.59 | HTT-Bird | yeah... |
| 05:40.22 | nsadmin | hmm. maybe the initrd-tools or initramfs-tools isn't installed properly? |
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| 05:40.44 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, that ought to break a lot more than just custom kernels :p |
| 05:40.47 | neoice | tingi_: double-NAT breaks bittorrent I think, but its an obtuse solution |
| 05:40.57 | nsadmin | true |
| 05:41.50 | tingi_ | neoice, how does double-NAT break it ? just trying to understand |
| 05:41.54 | nsadmin | still, it's worth a look |
| 05:42.07 | HazardX | I don't think double nat breaks it |
| 05:42.12 | HazardX | or at least, mine dosen't. |
| 05:42.20 | neoice | tingi_: its not exactly clear to me (hence the 'I think') part |
| 05:42.29 | neoice | it will probably break SOMETHING :p |
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| 05:47.53 | nsadmin | HTT-Bird: in any case there's not much point in grousing over it now, unless you have full build logs and full package install logs |
| 05:48.36 | nsadmin | one thing a custom debian kernel needs is the filesystem type for whatever the initramfs uses |
| 05:48.54 | nsadmin | to be built into the kernel |
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| 05:49.11 | aporetic | anyone care to recommend a pdf viewer? |
| 05:49.14 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, yeah, mine are sitting on an ext2 /boot |
| 05:49.26 | Amarande | evince? |
| 05:49.34 | HTT-Bird | aporetic, are you looking for something that gets the job done 99% of the time? if so, okular or evince |
| 05:49.40 | nsadmin | what filesystem is used by the initrd? |
| 05:50.07 | HTT-Bird | if you are routinely getting very advanced PDFs that are beyond the capacity of okular or evince, you might as well just put up with acroread :p |
| 05:50.14 | aporetic | HTT-Bird Amarande: thankee |
| 05:50.18 | aporetic | i'm sure one of those will be fine ;) |
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| 05:50.39 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, doesn't Squeeze use initramfs? |
| 05:50.52 | ntsasng | where enable visual effect? |
| 05:50.59 | HTT-Bird | (which aren't a full blown fs, just really a cpio archive) |
| 05:51.11 | HTT-Bird | !give ntsasng compiz |
| 05:51.11 | dpkg | gives ntsasng compiz |
| 05:51.18 | HTT-Bird | oops :) |
| 05:51.31 | ntsasng | what is command? |
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| 05:52.26 | HTT-Bird | ntsasng, simply apt-get install it, provided your video card and drivers are capable of handling it |
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| 05:53.10 | ntsasng | HTT-Bird: thanks |
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| 05:55.59 | ntsasng | HTT-Bird: I don't see it |
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| 05:56.48 | ntsasng | HTT-Bird: logout and then login???/ |
| 05:57.02 | HTT-Bird | yeah |
| 05:57.06 | ntsasng | okie |
| 05:57.15 | ntsasng | bye |
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| 06:01.32 | ntsasng | HTT-Bird: I don't see it :( |
| 06:01.46 | HTT-Bird | ntsasng, you have to turn them on too :) |
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| 06:03.52 | HTT-Bird | nsadmin, seems that there is no initramfs or initrd in the packages that make-kpkg is kicking out, even with the --initrd option :( |
| 06:03.58 | ntsasng | HTT-Bird: http://paste.ubuntu.com/368683/ |
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| 06:09.04 | Drizzt321 | I'm installing Drupal on my server (lenny, up to date), and it's complaining that the GD image filtering and rotation is low quality/poor performance and recommends using the PHP bundled GD library. How would I do this? Do I need to build my own PHP binary? |
| 06:09.40 | dbbolton | HTT-Bird update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.blah.blah |
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| 06:11.58 | HTT-Bird | dbbolton, ok :) |
| 06:12.10 | nsadmin | HTT-Bird: hmm... not sure what to tell ya... you['re in good hands tho |
| 06:12.30 | nsadmin | is still trying to figure out this console thing |
| 06:13.16 | davara | hello, i wish to purge the cups pkg, and tho it doesn't seem to have a dependecy, aptitude also wants to remove defoma,bind9-host,smbclient,python and other packeges, any ideea why ? |
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| 06:14.53 | factor | Does anyone know if debian packages exist for mingw and testing? |
| 06:15.05 | factor | mingw libs aka gtk glib etc.. |
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| 06:15.31 | factor | really dont want to have to compile all the low level ibs |
| 06:15.38 | factor | for cross compiling to windows |
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| 06:20.13 | jmarsden | factor: Use packages.debian.org to answer questions like that. See http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mingw |
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| 06:21.07 | jmarsden | factor: As far as I know, you'll need to compile the Windows libs you want to use. |
| 06:21.23 | factor | yes I have them, but they do not contain stuff like gtk or glib |
| 06:21.28 | factor | you think they would |
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| 06:24.49 | dbbolton | are there any floppy images to install lenny or later? |
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| 06:28.48 | aoeu | where the f do i get version 9 of flash for linux? version 10 is bull |
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| 06:32.28 | dbbolton | i think it must be this http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/vmlinuz |
| 06:32.35 | dbbolton | 1.4 MB file |
| 06:32.57 | factor | debian also does not have a libiconv package |
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| 06:38.30 | grendal_prime | hey guys. I got this situtation that kinda blows. I have some boxes that are going to need to monitor several dir's for change and then sort through the data that has been written to them and arrange them into specific dir.s Now i would use inotify to triger this sorting script however the data is actually going to be on a filler. |
| 06:39.34 | grendal_prime | and those filers are going to be mounted via nfs. I dont see (even with nfs4) that there is anything built into nfs for comunicating to inotify. |
| 06:40.46 | simonrvn | incron |
| 06:41.04 | grendal_prime | it has to be as realtime as i can get |
| 06:41.23 | grendal_prime | now..incron is every what...2 seconds? |
| 06:41.30 | grendal_prime | thats not to bad. |
| 06:42.08 | grendal_prime | but i wanted to present the problem here and see if anyone has implimented anthing like that and what there findings were. |
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| 06:43.14 | grendal_prime | i wish we just had fillers with a 2.6+ kernel on them. But we are using netapp filers |
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| 06:44.32 | grendal_prime | which are great filers. but...lets face it..the os is crippled and missing things...(on purpose) |
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| 06:45.17 | aoeu | finally found it |
| 06:45.26 | simonrvn | was just a thought. incron is pretty fast |
| 06:45.45 | simonrvn | i use it on the server end of a nfs mount |
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| 06:48.36 | grendal_prime | simonrvn: it runs in userspace? |
| 06:48.50 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 06:49.36 | simonrvn | incron is a slight misnomer, as it runs any time it spots the change you want to watch for. |
| 06:50.00 | simonrvn | it's an interface to the kernel's inotify so it's pretty fast |
| 06:50.07 | grendal_prime | its not recursive though....allthough i dont know that it would have to be yet. |
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| 06:50.20 | simonrvn | i don't know if it's the right thing for you, but worth looking into imo |
| 06:50.56 | grendal_prime | it makes sence. but then again... well you use it you said to check up on nfs mounted data? |
| 06:52.56 | simonrvn | on the server end as i said. i don't doubt it'll work on the client end |
| 06:53.45 | grendal_prime | hmmm the problem comes in that well things written from some ofther source onto the filler will not trigger inotify. |
| 06:55.45 | grendal_prime | now if i was monitoring a share that i had set up from box A and box B was the filler, and somethign was instructed to write something to box b via a share on box a say from box c well then box A would have a inotify event to trigger on! |
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| 06:58.59 | grendal_prime | does that make sence? |
| 06:59.23 | grendal_prime | i think these machines actually write things via ftp. crazy but true. |
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| 07:01.25 | grendal_prime | and honetly the location that these things would write to in that cenaraio are going to be virtualboxes.(huge bastards) so...the kenel would create the new inode, inotify catches that and then executes my data sorting script that moves and sorts out the files onto the other filler. |
| 07:02.01 | simonrvn | do you understand inotify? |
| 07:02.10 | grendal_prime | i just need some vms |
| 07:02.29 | simonrvn | any change you're watching for will trigger it. period. |
| 07:02.29 | grendal_prime | ya, ive been reading about it for some time now. works on the inode level |
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| 07:02.46 | grendal_prime | is there something glaring wrong with that idea? |
| 07:02.58 | simonrvn | that's why by default incron disallows everyone even root |
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| 07:04.04 | simonrvn | anyway, check it out. see if it helps. |
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| 07:31.08 | ddp | hey guys... Im thinking about installing deb onto my Toshiba Portege 3010-ct. (266MHz, 96mb P1MMX). Is this a good idea? |
| 07:31.30 | willluongo | ddp, you might get better performance from DSL or Puppy... |
| 07:31.34 | willluongo | that isn't a lot of RAM |
| 07:31.53 | DogBoy | I run it with 32 meg |
| 07:32.12 | ddp | yea... but Im fusterated with DSL... it constantly runs out of memory, and craps out.. I dont want to load the whole damn thing into ram! |
| 07:32.27 | ddp | but DLS is basically deb.... no? |
| 07:32.40 | DogBoy | it started that way |
| 07:33.01 | DogBoy | what do you want to use it for |
| 07:33.21 | willluongo | if you just want CLI 96MB should be enough :) |
| 07:33.34 | DogBoy | be plenty for that |
| 07:33.35 | ddp | travel... connect to wireless, some internet surfing (email), and transfer photos from usb stick to external hdd |
| 07:34.11 | DogBoy | hmm |
| 07:34.22 | DogBoy | good luck, I gonna go to bed |
| 07:34.48 | willluongo | honestly, I'd try pup... it's probably your best bet if you want to run a GUI for all that |
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| 07:36.21 | ddp | ok\ |
| 07:36.29 | iguanna | 'morning |
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| 07:36.45 | iguanna | how could i restart the sound server? |
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| 07:37.48 | ice799 | Hi there. |
| 07:37.54 | iguanna | I left over the night playing BBC radio 3 live and now my sound card looks overload |
| 07:38.10 | ice799 | I think I must be being stupid right now, but on Debian Lenny I see the package libssglue-dev but no libssglue that actuallycontains the shared libraries themselves. |
| 07:38.24 | ice799 | Anyone know what the story is with that or am I just being *really* stupid right now? |
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| 07:38.48 | willluongo | ice799, what happens when you install the dev package? |
| 07:38.58 | ice799 | I get the headers and the docs but no libs. |
| 07:39.34 | willluongo | aptitude search sglue doesn't show anything? |
| 07:39.38 | willluongo | ice799, ? |
| 07:39.47 | ice799 | oh I see, libgssglue1 might be it. |
| 07:40.02 | ice799 | Arg I *always* forget how to list files in an installed packaged. |
| 07:40.11 | ice799 | s/package/packaged/ |
| 07:40.24 | ice799 | oh right apt-file. |
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| 07:41.36 | ice799 | Ok. Found the libs. Now, for some reason, pkg-config didnt update with the locations of the libs and CFLAGs. |
| 07:41.39 | ice799 | I wonder why. |
| 07:41.52 | willluongo | maybe try running an ldconfig manually? |
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| 07:42.48 | ice799 | I may jus tnot have the .pc file. |
| 07:43.10 | ice799 | From the looks of it, libgssglue1 does not contain a .pc file. |
| 07:43.19 | ice799 | That would explain why pkg-config doesn't know about it. |
| 07:43.22 | ice799 | Arg. |
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| 07:46.02 | ice799 | That's interesting. |
| 07:46.22 | ice799 | So I did an apt-get build-dep nfs-util |
| 07:46.38 | ice799 | and all the packages that were installed lack .pc files to go along with the libraries that were pulled in. |
| 07:46.44 | ice799 | I wonder if that is on purpose or if that is a bug or what? |
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| 07:47.07 | ice799 | It is making building nfs-util pretty painful because nothing has .pc files and I have no idea what cflags were used to build each library :C |
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| 07:59.31 | NoCode | Anyone getting that, "firefox is already running" window when trying to open Firefox via the menu? |
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| 07:59.51 | NoCode | I wonder what I can do to solve that issue |
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| 07:59.56 | willluongo | NoCode just kill the process |
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| 08:00.02 | willluongo | alt+esc and select it |
| 08:00.04 | willluongo | or |
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| 08:00.09 | willluongo | ps aux | grep firefox |
| 08:00.15 | willluongo | and then kill -9 $PID |
| 08:00.19 | NoCode | Will: Yeah I know I can kill the process, but it's just a pain in the ass all the time |
| 08:00.28 | willluongo | it does it often? |
| 08:00.32 | NoCode | yes |
| 08:00.44 | NoCode | not all the time, but seems like the majority. |
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| 08:01.04 | NoCode | And, it's not the firefox from the repos. I downloaded it from the official firefox website. |
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| 08:06.38 | EliasAmaral | Will debootstrap work with lvm? (/ inside lvm) |
| 08:07.28 | EliasAmaral | http://www.debianhelp.org/node/3229 says something funny, but it was posted on 2007 |
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| 08:10.34 | k\t | ok abclear |
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| 08:11.24 | k\t | ok, you guys helping with my mail issue earlier, abrotman, c*, sorry about that... mail has been working all along. |
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| 08:11.36 | k\t | thanks for the help |
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| 08:16.12 | iguanna | how can i get all the available users in debian? |
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| 08:16.30 | willluongo | what do you mean iguanna? |
| 08:17.29 | AimHere | The list of users that can log in, or the list of people logged in currently, or everyone here, in #debian? |
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| 08:18.18 | iguanna | willluongo: I am doing 'sudo useradd david -G svn' because i need to add that new group to this user but debian says ' the user david doesn't exist' |
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| 08:18.39 | AimHere | The list of users is in /etc/passwd |
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| 08:19.01 | willluongo | iguanna use: usermod -a -G GROUPNAME USERNAME |
| 08:19.09 | willluongo | with a sudo in front |
| 08:19.21 | SPF | where can I find other apt mirrors, ftp.nl.debian.org is not responding |
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| 08:20.01 | peterrooney | SPF: replace nl with just about any 2-letter country code |
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| 08:20.09 | SPF | ok, will try |
| 08:20.21 | iguanna | willluongo: thanks |
| 08:20.27 | willluongo | did it work then? |
| 08:20.33 | willluongo | iguanna ? |
| 08:21.06 | iguanna | willluongo: yeah |
| 08:21.14 | willluongo | excellent :) You are very welcome |
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| 08:21.48 | SPF | peterrooney: ok, it works |
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| 08:22.51 | SPF | hmm, 64 updates |
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| 08:24.09 | antii | Is the 5.04 latest (stable) version? |
| 08:24.26 | streuner | yes |
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| 08:24.45 | antii | Thx |
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| 08:25.04 | PascalS | Morning everyone. |
| 08:25.13 | iguanna | Have a look at this: drwxrwx--- 6 root svn 4096 feb 3 14:39 svn |
| 08:25.19 | willluongo | Good morning |
| 08:25.35 | iguanna | I need to access to the /svn directory above but... |
| 08:25.54 | iguanna | debian says: denegated |
| 08:25.56 | PascalS | I have a booting q. I've just setup latest debian on the first of two x86_64 servers - but had to resort to LILO |
| 08:26.03 | PascalS | which scares the heck out of me |
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| 08:26.13 | willluongo | iguanna is that for the svn daemon? |
| 08:26.26 | iguanna | and I am using a user named 'david' who belong to the svn group |
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| 08:26.36 | iguanna | willluongo: yeah |
| 08:26.40 | cire | what is the best way to view videos in iceweasel? mozplugger seems a good thing, but won't offer any controls. gecko-mediaplayer doesn't work for me (nothing happens), and those old stuff (vlc-plugin etc) was really crappy... |
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| 08:27.00 | willluongo | iguanna why do you want a different user to have access to it then? |
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| 08:27.06 | PascalS | I wanted grub, but that couldn't handle the GPT partions which were created. And grub2 won't install on (hd0) complaining of not enough room |
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| 08:27.13 | willluongo | It can be checked in and out to a directory owned by david |
| 08:27.25 | iguanna | willluongo: because we are different people working here |
| 08:27.48 | willluongo | iguanna That is the whole point of svn |
| 08:27.51 | iguanna | I just want to access to the directory /svn |
| 08:27.58 | iguanna | with the david user |
| 08:28.03 | willluongo | you can check it in and out to each user's home directory |
| 08:28.14 | willluongo | you don't want to get into the svn directory, that is for the svn daemon |
| 08:28.15 | PascalS | Q: will lilo automatically be called to update its installation after a kernel update? |
| 08:28.38 | iguanna | which belongs to the svn group, so it should be able to access to the /svn directory |
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| 08:29.04 | xota | hi! I've made a debian package with my python program... I have files in /etc/program/ and in the debian/rules files I have chmod a+w /etc/program/* but it doesn't work... anyway what is the best way to do it? create a program_group and add the id 1000 to this group? |
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| 08:29.38 | iguanna | willluongo: i got it |
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| 08:35.00 | EliasAmaral | cdebootstrap is not working here. I am on Ubuntu 9.10 and this is my command: cdebootstrap --arch i386 sid /mnt/debinst http://ftp.br.debian.org |
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| 08:35.18 | EliasAmaral | it will hang forever even if i provided cdebootstrap --arch i386 sid /mnt/debinst http://www.google.com |
| 08:35.45 | EliasAmaral | I am using cdebootstrap from the ubuntu repositories (someone here said it would work) |
| 08:35.51 | EliasAmaral | what should I do? |
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| 08:48.24 | Elwell | Licencing Q - I've got something thats licenced under apache 2.0 licence. On Fedora in the spec file I put the short version 'ASL 2.0' -- whats the debian equivalent for building the control file? |
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| 08:50.09 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:50.58 | gypsymauro | in my /etc/crontab I've not a row for cron.hourly, and in fact scripts in cron.hjourly aren't launched.. it's an error? |
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| 08:51.08 | xro | hi, i would like to execute a command from cron... what is the syntax to do: ssh root@x.x.x.x "python /path/script.py" |
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| 08:51.51 | willluongo | xro http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html might be of some help |
| 08:52.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | xro: cron jobs in /etc/cron.{daily,d,hourly} etc might provide helpful examples |
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| 08:53.17 | xro | Kamping_Kaiser, my probleme is not the time setting... it's just ohw to write the command |
| 08:53.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | xro: that doesn't really invalidate what i said |
| 08:54.21 | willluongo | xro the easiest way would be to put your commands in a bash script |
| 08:54.25 | llutz | xro: man 5 crontab |
| 08:54.42 | willluongo | also, to truly automate something involving SSH, you will want to set up key authentication |
| 08:54.59 | willluongo | or include your password in plain text, but that isn't a good idea :) |
| 08:55.00 | xro | willluongo, nop i cant... i have to put the command on crontab files,,, |
| 08:55.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | willluongo: cron.daily entries are shell scripts, tahts why i suggested looking there ;) |
| 08:55.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | xro: why do you have to ssh to the host and run python. why not run it using cron on the remote host? |
| 08:56.08 | xro | willluongo, i did it (automatic authetication key) |
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| 08:56.37 | xro | Kamping_Kaiser, it will take a while if explain all... but i need it |
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| 08:56.52 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 09:00.40 | aprendiz001 | I have problems in my email server |
| 09:01.20 | aprendiz001 | a user have rename a folder of the emails and looks like they are dissappear |
| 09:01.44 | aprendiz001 | I don't know if these have been moved to other place or something with that action |
| 09:01.51 | aprendiz001 | I have cyrus and imap |
| 09:01.54 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
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| 09:03.20 | xro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.56 | llutz | xro: do "crontab -e" and add "1 * * * * root echo "This command is run at one min past every hour"" |
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| 09:06.57 | xro | llutz, but there is a script who write in the crontab file... can you explain me why it doesn't work? |
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| 09:08.08 | llutz | xro: it changes permissions to wrong values(user/group) |
| 09:08.50 | xro | llutz, so how should i do to write in my crontab file with the rigth permission values? |
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| 09:15.58 | llutz | xro: echo "1 * * * * root echo "This command is run at one min past every hour"" 1> /dev/null' | crontab - |
| 09:16.48 | iguanna | I imported my repository but I got the error: svn: couldn't open the file '/svn/db/txn-current-lock': refused permission |
| 09:17.21 | llutz | xro: ups, just realized, that format is wrong. for personal crontabs there's no "user" field |
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| 09:19.15 | gypsymauro | con u check if in ur /etc/crontab exists a line like this? 17 ** * *root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 09:20.43 | llutz | xro:use echo "1 * * * * root echo "This command is run at one min past every hour"" >/etc/cron.d/mycronscripts |
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| 09:22.48 | xro | llutz, why in mycronscript and not in crontab? what's the difference? |
| 09:23.09 | llutz | xro: user/systemwirde |
| 09:23.11 | llutz | wide |
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| 09:23.53 | mac- | hi there |
| 09:24.07 | mac- | how can I list already installed packages by aptitude ? |
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| 09:24.36 | llutz | aptitude search ~i |
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| 09:24.43 | mac- | ~ |
| 09:24.44 | mac- | ? |
| 09:24.45 | xro | llutz, it's not so clear for me... user = systemwide? why user=root doesn't work in crontab? |
| 09:24.46 | mac- | are you sure ? |
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| 09:25.35 | llutz | xro: if you use a personal crontab,don't specify a user in your entry |
| 09:25.45 | llutz | mac-: i am |
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| 09:28.31 | xro | llutz, */1 * * * * root python /home/framework/hello.py, how should i write it in /etc/crontab... (maybe it will be simpler with an exemple) |
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| 09:29.23 | llutz | xro: echo "1 * * * * root *yourcommandhere* >/etc/cron.d/mycronscripts |
| 09:29.32 | xota | xro: echo "*/1 * * * * root python /home...." > /etc/cron.d/hello_sample; chmod a+x /etc/cron.d/hello_sample |
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| 09:30.01 | rvsjoen | */1 ? whats the point of that |
| 09:30.10 | xota | rvsjoen: all the minutes |
| 09:30.15 | rvsjoen | so just put * |
| 09:30.18 | llutz | xota: no need to chmod +x |
| 09:30.37 | xota | rvsjoen: but with * it does all the time withou sleep for a minute |
| 09:30.43 | xota | llutz: ah, ok :) sorry |
| 09:30.48 | rvsjoen | xota: then your script is broken |
| 09:30.56 | rvsjoen | xota: that's not crontabs fault |
| 09:30.58 | NoReflex | anybody know the channel for mail server configuration on linux? I'm wondering if I can setup ssmtp to send mail for all the machines on my LAN. It already sends mails from the machine it's installed on. |
| 09:31.22 | xota | rvsjoen? my script? I can't understand you |
| 09:31.25 | llutz | xro wanted "This command is run at one min past every hour"" so "1 * * * * ....." should be right |
| 09:31.30 | xro | llutz, nop a can't put it in an other file than /etc/crontab |
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| 09:31.51 | rvsjoen | xota: * is exactly the same as */1, so if * puts you in an infinite loop, there's something wrong with the command you are running |
| 09:31.52 | xota | llutz: then echo with >> instead > |
| 09:32.27 | xro | llutz, i have many script to execute with differente timer... so i need to put it in /etc/crontab... |
| 09:32.29 | llutz | xro: echo "1 * * * * root *yourcommandhere*" >>/etc/crontab |
| 09:32.31 | xota | rvsjoen: no, it's only a sample to xro... with * works only one a minute? |
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| 09:32.54 | rvsjoen | * * * * * means every minute |
| 09:33.07 | rvsjoen | what more can I say |
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| 09:33.32 | xota | ok rvsjoen I trust you :) sometimes we do the thing more difficult than they are :p |
| 09:33.44 | rvsjoen | llutz: whats with the root keyword in that entry ? |
| 09:34.13 | xro | llutz, it's exacltly what i did... */1 * * * * root python /var/django_project/script/hello.py |
| 09:34.14 | llutz | rvsjoen:# m h dom mon dow user command |
| 09:34.45 | rvsjoen | oh, yes, sorry, its the system-wide crontab |
| 09:35.01 | rvsjoen | too early in the morning :P |
| 09:35.06 | llutz | xro no */1 |
| 09:35.42 | llutz | xro: if you want to run it ah h+1 minute, it is "1" not * and not */1" |
| 09:35.51 | llutz | at h+1 |
| 09:36.00 | pra1se | I'm accessing VMWare server which it's already connected to the internet. now i tried to assign a static IP by changing /etc/network/interfaces file contains with no success. now I'd like to back to the hold DHCP mode. but facing error that's unable to reach to the network. so what's the problem? |
| 09:36.17 | xro | llutz, it's every min-.... |
| 09:36.36 | llutz | xro: then it is "*" |
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| 09:37.00 | xro | llutz, but that's not my problem.... that is the probleme (*system*) WRONG SYMLINK OWNER (/etc/crontab) |
| 09:37.12 | rvsjoen | pra1se: i'm not sure I understand what you mean, but if there's a dhcp server on your network, can't you just run the dhcp client ? |
| 09:37.29 | llutz | xro ls -l /etc/crontab |
| 09:37.52 | pra1se | rvsjoen: yeah after i do /etc/init.d/networking restart/start/stop, it's unable to connect to the network. |
| 09:38.07 | rvsjoen | pra1se: did it get an address ? |
| 09:38.22 | pra1se | Yes. |
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| 09:38.27 | xro | llutz, -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 1450 2010-02-04 10:38 /etc/crontab |
| 09:38.29 | pra1se | So the VMWare not connected? |
| 09:38.39 | llutz | xro chown root:root /etc/crontab |
| 09:38.50 | rvsjoen | why the heck does www-data own /etc/crontab ? |
| 09:39.21 | xro | llutz, ??? why it was www-data? |
| 09:39.23 | rvsjoen | pra1se: default route ? (ip route) |
| 09:39.35 | llutz | xro: crontab has to be root:root |
| 09:39.55 | llutz | xro: _I_ don't know how _you_ mess up you settings |
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| 09:40.32 | pra1se | rvsjoen: 169.254.0.0/16 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 169.254.219.3 |
| 09:40.33 | llutz | xro: have you tried to change cronjobs via apache/website? |
| 09:41.11 | xro | llutz, yep... apache call a pathon script that write in crontab |
| 09:41.27 | rvsjoen | pra1se: 169.254 is a link-local address, indicating that a 'proper' address was not available |
| 09:41.28 | PascalS | What's the current most used tool for firewall config in debian? |
| 09:41.34 | rvsjoen | pascals: iptables |
| 09:41.37 | petemc | vim |
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| 09:41.52 | PascalS | that's the backend, no gui tool that most people use |
| 09:41.54 | PascalS | ? |
| 09:42.11 | petemc | shorewall is popular |
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| 09:43.06 | xro | pascals, if you have to set a "firewall" with linux... shorewall is great |
| 09:43.08 | pra1se | rvsjoen: So what i get from you. is the VMware server it self not connected to the internet I'm alright? |
| 09:43.40 | gypsymauro | there are news about debian developement? any roadmap ? |
| 09:44.16 | PascalS | will look into shorewall |
| 09:44.21 | xro | llutz, i just tried it.... apache change the user and group of my crontab file.... |
| 09:44.26 | rvsjoen | pra1se: I couldn't say for sure, what I can say is that the server is not getting a DHCP offer from a DHCP server on its local broadcast domain |
| 09:44.30 | PascalS | ... rather quickly. |
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| 09:44.46 | xro | PascalS, it's not a gui... but it's easy to use and manage |
| 09:44.52 | PascalS | I need to have this server in a datacenter in 45 mins :) |
| 09:44.52 | pra1se | rvsjoen: Got the idea. deep thanks. |
| 09:45.42 | xro | llutz, have you an idea why apache change the user and group? |
| 09:45.58 | PascalS | hmm not in standard repos... bummer |
| 09:46.14 | llutz | xro: because it runs as www-data |
| 09:46.37 | rvsjoen | apache editing the system-wide crontab sounds like a very bad idea to me |
| 09:46.52 | rvsjoen | whats wrong with using apache's own crontab ? |
| 09:48.06 | xro | rvsjoen, apache has a cron inside? |
| 09:48.16 | rvsjoen | every user can have a crontab |
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| 09:48.54 | themill | or there's /etc/cron.d/ for precisely this reason |
| 09:49.08 | xro | rvsjoen, oh.. yep i dind't undersant... sorry... |
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| 09:49.38 | llutz | that's why i suggested /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 10:00.13 | llutz | union |
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| 10:04.27 | paissad | what must i do if i don't want to receive message from some cron jobs ? |
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| 10:04.42 | infid | how do you make the 'find' command not look in hidden directories? |
| 10:05.11 | llutz | paissad: MAILTO='' and redirect stderr/stdout to /dev/null |
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| 10:07.08 | nsadmin | infid: look into -o (test for hidden) -prune |
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| 10:07.17 | nsadmin | so how would you test for hidden? |
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| 10:08.03 | xro | llutz, i have another question... i can write in the www-data crontab files? but www-data user will be able to call a remote shell (root@...)? |
| 10:08.48 | llutz | xro: i don't know anything about apache |
| 10:08.55 | nsadmin | cron emails when a job outputs to stdout, so if you want a particular cronjob to not email you, make sure it doesn't output anything |
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| 10:09.13 | _Dave123_ | does anyone know how I can allow fxp mode in proftpd |
| 10:09.19 | vlt | Hello. I'm running hylafax and iaxmodem on Debian Lenny to receive faxes. Is there an easy way to forward received documents as PDF attachment via email? |
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| 10:09.33 | cuco | hi all, is there a dedicated channel for the windows installer? |
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| 10:09.37 | xro | llutz, ok but it's a linux question.... i can have a cron for apache user rigth? |
| 10:10.11 | llutz | xro: possibly, but all its jobs will run as "apache" |
| 10:10.19 | nsadmin | that user would be www-data, right? |
| 10:10.30 | bullgard5 | llutz: I made a mistake. I'd like to know: " What does the 'a' stand for in 'aufs-tools'? |
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| 10:10.34 | robertf | Hello |
| 10:10.42 | llutz | bullgard5: advanced, afaik |
| 10:10.56 | robertf | I'm using clamav (debian etch). It is very slow to scan a file, why? |
| 10:10.58 | bullgard5 | llutz: Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 10:11.12 | robertf | is it the good command? clamscan test.exe |
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| 10:11.31 | xro | llutz, ok |
| 10:12.10 | nsadmin | robertf: if clamscan is an executable installed from a debian distributed package, then either it has a man page or else it's a reportable bug |
| 10:13.26 | robertf | nsadmin: i installed with apt from main tree |
| 10:13.45 | nsadmin | so, then you can man clamscan |
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| 10:15.28 | krion | hi |
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| 10:17.33 | themill | paissad: your best plan is to fix the cron job so that it doesn't make any output unless something is wrong... and then you receive that notification and you will want to receive it. |
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| 10:18.53 | paissad | themill, yep, actually i added the redirection &> /dev/null to the cron job ... & now the function (command) sends me a mail if ever there's a problem |
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| 10:20.11 | Fantom_ | what is name of tool for changing langugage csswitch or something, i can't remember it? |
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| 10:23.46 | stoy | Hi |
| 10:24.10 | stoy | could someone please send me their apt sources lines for sunet? |
| 10:25.24 | stoy | I have looked all over the internet, but I just can't find the standard lines for Debian package servers in sweden anywere |
| 10:25.52 | Muisje | top - 11:25:37 up 63 days, 9:31, 3 users, load average: 9.44, 8.80, 6.83 |
| 10:26.01 | Muisje | weee a 9.44 load avg (h) |
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| 10:28.12 | niklaswe | stoy: deb http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main |
| 10:28.12 | niklaswe | deb-src http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ lenny main |
| 10:28.17 | niklaswe | there you have |
| 10:28.18 | Muisje | How high must a load avg be to concerned? :/ |
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| 10:30.30 | dizzie | Muisje, Well my load is at 45~ atm, and i am not :) |
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| 10:33.35 | Zenox | Is it possible to rsync the users, groups and permissions to a usb drive (only get it to work on local drives)? |
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| 10:34.36 | themill | Zenox: depends on what filesystem is on the usb drive. If it supports such things (ext2/3/4 etc) then yes. If it doesn't (vfat) then no. |
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| 10:39.13 | LinkRage | I just upgraded to from Lenny to SID everything is fine, but any ideas why holding Alt key is does nothing now when I try to move a whole window ? |
| 10:39.31 | LinkRage | I'm sure there is a way to configure that somewhere... ? |
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| 10:40.03 | Fantom_ | [audio.c:179] error: Unable to find a working output module in this list: alsa,oss,esd,jack,pulse,nas,arts |
| 10:40.04 | Fantom_ | [audio.c:463] error: Failed to open audio output module |
| 10:40.11 | Fantom_ | Failed to load text interface. This is bad (text,text,/usr/lib/alsaplayer) |
| 10:40.22 | Fantom_ | sound works on X but on console does'nt work why is that |
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| 10:45.25 | Zenox | themill: i have ext3 (also) on the usb drive |
| 10:47.17 | Zenox | themill: i run the exact same command.. systemdrive -> local raid = works.. systemdrive -> ext3 usb drive = users/groups are all set to root, permissions are synced |
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| 10:51.33 | matu | please can you tell me an easy way to record the sound passing through my computer ? like a stream... (i use alsa) |
| 10:52.10 | utrrrongeeb | matu: command-line/daemon, or X? |
| 10:53.05 | matu | command line |
| 10:53.10 | matu | or X |
| 10:53.12 | matu | i dont really care about it |
| 10:53.31 | matu | please tell me one utrrrongeeb |
| 10:53.59 | utrrrongeeb | matu: If it's a one-time recording, Audacity, maybe Jokosher, are fine in X. |
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| 10:54.06 | matu | thank you |
| 10:54.36 | utrrrongeeb | matu: But if you're routinely recording a radio show, or something like that you could automate, ecasound is a good command-line tool. It can be used with lame or twolame for compression. |
| 10:54.41 | matu | i hope it will let me record the sound passing through a radio flashplugin |
| 10:54.53 | matu | ah thank you |
| 10:54.59 | utrrrongeeb | matu: If you're using Flash, you may as well be using X... |
| 10:55.09 | matu | yes i am |
| 10:56.30 | |Mike| | Hmz, who's using git-daemon-run on Lenny ? |
| 10:56.44 | matu | audacity does not look like easy to use |
| 10:56.53 | utrrrongeeb | matu: Sorry -- forgot something. Audacity uses OSS... |
| 10:56.57 | Fantom_ | [audio.c:179] error: Unable to find a working output module in this list: alsa,oss,esd,jack,pulse,nas,arts |
| 10:56.59 | Fantom_ | [audio.c:463] error: Failed to open audio output module |
| 10:57.02 | Fantom_ | Failed to load text interface. This is bad (text,text,/usr/lib/alsaplayer) |
| 10:57.13 | utrrrongeeb | matu: at least when I last checked on Etch, so if Flash is using ALSA, you'll need something else. |
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| 10:57.18 | Fantom_ | sound works on X but on console doesn't work, why is that ? |
| 10:57.29 | smhar | greetings |
| 10:57.30 | Fantom_ | it gives me these errors |
| 10:57.50 | utrrrongeeb | matu: I don't know about Jokosher. GNOME might have a simple sound recorder -- that might work. And, if ecasound supports ALSA, you could use that. |
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| 10:58.05 | matu | utrrrongeeb: alli know is i needed to launch alsaconf the first time i installed debian |
| 10:58.13 | matu | because i had no sound |
| 10:58.23 | matu | i use lxde not gnom |
| 10:58.23 | matu | e |
| 10:58.36 | utrrrongeeb | matu: If you're using ESD, I'm not sure what would work, but something probably would. Probably not Audacity, though. |
| 10:58.45 | utrrrongeeb | matu: Any of this make sense? ;-) |
| 10:58.54 | Fantom_ | who knows mpg123 alternative? |
| 10:59.04 | utrrrongeeb | Fantom_: What's producing those errors? Running which programs? |
| 10:59.10 | matu | thank you i am installing ecasound |
| 10:59.23 | Fantom_ | utrrrongeeb: i mean mpg123 and alsaplayer |
| 10:59.28 | utrrrongeeb | matu: So sound works, otherwise? |
| 10:59.56 | matu | i dont know i still need to find the right options because i want to record the sound in a wav file :) |
| 10:59.58 | matu | :( |
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| 11:00.17 | utrrrongeeb | Fantom_: Is mpg123 command-line, or X? |
| 11:00.25 | Fantom_ | utrrrongeeb: command-line - console |
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| 11:02.18 | leOn | hello |
| 11:03.06 | leOn | anyone knows any alternative to the puppet software deployment solution? |
| 11:03.07 | matu | matu@debian:~$ ecasound -i alsa -o somefile.wav |
| 11:03.08 | matu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:03.16 | matu | -n |
| 11:03.44 | utrrrongeeb | matu: Any progress? |
| 11:03.49 | matu | no |
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| 11:06.07 | matu | it records nothing |
| 11:06.09 | matu | utrrrongeeb: |
| 11:07.53 | utrrrongeeb | matu: I've been meaning to learn to use ecasound myself, but haven't yet... |
| 11:08.21 | smhar | I have a serious problem. I have a couple of squeeze computers in my home network. after the last update they are not able to connect to the internet. both have their IP static and working and can ping each others and the router, but not the internet. ifconf looks ok, as the /etc/network/interfaces is not changed. route is ok. the only thing that looks not ok is resolv.conf as it is almost empty with only a comment not to change it manually because it will be o |
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| 11:08.54 | jelly | smhar: can they ping an outside ip address? |
| 11:09.00 | smhar | the file server on the same network is running lenny and can connect to the net with resolv.conf ok |
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| 11:09.07 | smhar | jelly: no |
| 11:09.24 | matu | utrrrongeeb: http://ecasound.seul.org/ecasound/Documentation/examples.html |
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| 11:09.43 | jelly | smhar: if ping doesn't work with a known answering ip address, then resolv.conf isn't the (only) issue |
| 11:09.53 | matu | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_pcm "The latest version of Audacity now has alsa support and can record from the Mix device. " |
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| 11:10.31 | utrrrongeeb | matu: But is the latest version of Audacity in Debian? |
| 11:10.35 | smhar | jelly: I didn't ping an IP. I tried pinging google.com . will try pinging its IP |
| 11:11.01 | Fantom_ | how can i seen my hw type for sound |
| 11:11.08 | Fantom_ | pcm |
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| 11:12.09 | smhar | jelly: pinging goggle's ip works: 209.85.229.104 |
| 11:12.11 | matu | i dont know but my 'capture' was at 0% |
| 11:12.32 | jelly | smhar: that means your connectivity is ok, just the resolver is borked |
| 11:12.45 | bbu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.51 | utrrrongeeb | matu: The only problem I see with ecasound is that you need to set the alsa channel. |
| 11:12.53 | smhar | jelly: so? |
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| 11:13.46 | matu | it does not work either using arecord -t wav -f cd test.wav :( and i dont have the time to play with |
| 11:13.53 | xota | hi! I'm making a deb package and I like to change some permissions after install it, because I have some files in /etc/program/ and need all of it to be +w |
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| 11:14.48 | smhar | jelly: how to resolve the resolver? |
| 11:14.52 | ssm | xota: that's just the thing for the postinst script |
| 11:15.11 | ssm | or.... |
| 11:15.17 | jelly | smhar: /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
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| 11:15.26 | jelly | smhar: /msg dpkg resolvconf (without the .) |
| 11:15.38 | jelly | smhar: /msg dpkg fix resolvconf |
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| 11:16.39 | xota | ssm: thanks... go see :) |
| 11:16.44 | ssm | xota: you could use "install" with the right permissions when you install into the directory used for packaging |
| 11:16.56 | ssm | xota: from debian/rules |
| 11:17.21 | ssm | xota: the best solution depends on the exact problem you have |
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| 11:18.06 | matu | it is because of these things people prefer to use mac os :( |
| 11:18.18 | xota | ssm: really I think that the good way to do it is create a new group and add the user with uuid 1000 to this group to have permissions to write the config files, but I don't have a lot of time, so with a chmod a+w /etc/program is enough for me now |
| 11:18.49 | matu | they dont want to spend some hours searching how to record the sound passing through their computer |
| 11:18.58 | HellMind | guys I need a good way to manage iptables, i tried shorewall, it sucks, I tried fwbuilder but it deletes all my routes, I tried ufw and its a nightmare, help me |
| 11:18.59 | matu | -some+any |
| 11:20.09 | F15ch3r | hello |
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| 11:21.05 | HellMind | dammin I dont want to use webmin |
| 11:21.21 | ssm | xota: adding a system group for the /etc/program, and setting it group writeable is doable in the postinst script |
| 11:21.40 | gordonjcp | matu: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:21.45 | xota | ssm: I'm going to search info about postint file |
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| 11:22.54 | matu | i needed to use " amixer set 'Mix' cap " before setting the mix volume |
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| 11:23.26 | ssm | xota: if you generate one binary package from your source package, it can be called debian/postinst in your souce. See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
| 11:23.56 | ssm | it's easier to look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst :) |
| 11:23.57 | F15ch3r | what is the name of packages that I need to install to be able to install programs from source like ? |
| 11:24.00 | F15ch3r | what is the name of packages that I need to install to be able to install programs from source like ? of course I am using debian server |
| 11:24.03 | cantido | I've upgraded to xorg/intel driver in testing.. now my screen is flickering and eventually the whole machine locks up :\ |
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| 11:24.51 | matu | recording sound gordoncp |
| 11:24.58 | ^shark_ | i am running DHCP Server V3.1.1 in my lenny and I keep getting this "DHCPDISCOVER from xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx via eth1: network 192.168.1/24: no free leases" wonder if this is a bug? |
| 11:25.09 | rgr | cantido: I get that too. need to change to vesa. |
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| 11:25.29 | cantido | rgr: mm I don't really want to switch to vesa |
| 11:25.41 | rgr | me neither. Its terrible. |
| 11:25.59 | rgr | my screen flashes about 4 times and locks solid. cant even c-a-f1 etc. |
| 11:26.04 | cantido | rgr: rolling back doesn't work? |
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| 11:26.14 | rgr | 82830 old laptop intel fgx card |
| 11:26.25 | F15ch3r | OK It's named build-essential |
| 11:26.31 | rgr | cantido: I use testing as lenny doesn work on my hw. |
| 11:26.49 | rgr | and "used to work" just fine. |
| 11:26.55 | cantido | mm I think its just the intel driver.. I might just try a version back |
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| 11:27.30 | rgr | that driver is normally pretty damn "stable". |
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| 11:27.56 | rgr | It doesnt seem to get the refresh rates. |
| 11:28.17 | rgr | what card do you have? |
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| 11:28.30 | BENHUR | Ciao a Tutto il Canale!!! |
| 11:29.03 | cantido | rgr: 945 apparently |
| 11:29.05 | minike80 | regiszter chet live sex http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â http://gollszexcom.atw.hu/Â |
| 11:29.53 | F15ch3r | thank you |
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| 11:35.56 | rumpsy | o_O spams |
| 11:36.02 | rumpsy | !ops |
| 11:37.45 | rumpsy | i donno how this spammer came into this channel |
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| 11:40.09 | hoxu | !ops minike80!~mapbc000@dsl91EC6EA5.pool.t-online.hu spamming |
| 11:40.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: hoxu complains about: minike80!~mapbc000@dsl91EC6EA5.pool.t-online.hu spamming |
| 11:41.24 | nsadmin | hoxu: still? I thought he left |
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| 11:42.03 | hoxu | nsadmin, in case you missed, this is a recurring case |
| 11:42.06 | nsadmin | he is still present but not on this channel |
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| 11:52.18 | wellisson | how can I know the "time that the process started"? I'm looking in /proc/2603 (that is the proc number) but I cant find. "ps aux" just shows 2009, but I'd like to know the day/month |
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| 11:55.00 | Ornedan | How does one disable the Synaptics Touchpad on a T61? Previously, just removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package worked, but now it's still active. Distro testing |
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| 11:57.46 | wellisson | "ps -eo pid,lstart" solved my previous question. thanks anyway ;-) |
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| 11:59.25 | xro | hi, i would like to make a remote shell (with certificate) between to machine... my user is www-data (apache user)... i can't do ssh-add (to save the passphrase)... Do you have an idea? |
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| 12:02.27 | xota | xro: can you user ~/.ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 12:02.33 | xota | use* |
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| 12:03.39 | xro | xota, yes... i can use it and use ssh but when i try to store my passphrase: $ ssh-add Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 12:04.51 | xota | xro: I use ssh-keygen and then copy my ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the other machine ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 12:05.24 | xro | xota, and how do you store your passphrase? |
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| 12:06.52 | xota | I can't understand what are you trying to say with store my passphrase... ssh-keygen ask you for it |
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| 12:07.53 | xro | xota, when you type ssh root@x.x.x.x you have to enter a passphrase... |
| 12:08.13 | xota | no xro if youy do that I say to you, you don't need it |
| 12:08.30 | cantido | can someonoe help me find the 2.9.1-1 version of xserver-xorg-video-intel.. I can't find it on the snapshot server :/ |
| 12:08.50 | xota | ssh-keygen, then copy your ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to the machine x.x.x.x ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:09.33 | xro | xota, ssh-copy-id -i /.ssh/id_dsa.pub root@x.x.x.x that's not equivalent? |
| 12:09.59 | xota | really, I don't know, I always do it with a scp or copy&pasting the pub key |
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| 12:10.19 | xota | try it.. it's only a moment |
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| 12:12.56 | xro | xota, and after that, you dond have to put a passphrase? is it because you don't specify one when you did ssh-keygen -t dsa? |
| 12:12.57 | teleyinex | i |
| 12:12.59 | teleyinex | hi |
| 12:13.17 | teleyinex | I'm trying to update the kernel and I get always the following error: the hash sum is different |
| 12:13.32 | teleyinex | I have updated the repositories several times |
| 12:13.38 | teleyinex | and changed the servers |
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| 12:13.46 | teleyinex | but I always get that error on Debian Lenny |
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| 12:14.09 | xota | xro: it is because you trust in the public key generated |
| 12:14.35 | xro | xota, what do you mean? |
| 12:15.05 | teleyinex | I'm trying to install linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb |
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| 12:15.27 | anonissimus | where can I edit the default resolution of my terminal? |
| 12:15.48 | xota | xro: try to read this: http://kimmo.suominen.com/docs/ssh/ we are don't understand :) |
| 12:16.00 | xota | anonissimus: in the /boot/grub/menu.lst you must change the vga= parameter |
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| 12:16.17 | teleyinex | do you know if there is a problem on that package? |
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| 12:17.48 | anonissimus | xota: is that just hte horizontal resolution or also the vertical one? |
| 12:18.16 | xota | anonissimus: both |
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| 12:18.41 | anonissimus | so if I put in vga=1024x800 |
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| 12:18.58 | anonissimus | is that the right syntax? |
| 12:19.53 | xota | noooo no |
| 12:19.55 | xota | wait |
| 12:20.21 | Joelio | Hi, I've just upgraded a mail sevrer to lenny and saw SMTP timeout errors in monitoring.. upon checking, I see the syn packets being sent but no acks. Has there been a change to the tcp/ip stack in 2.6.18->2.6.26? I've rebooted into the older kernel and the issue has gone away... any help appreciated |
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| 12:21.13 | xota | anonissimus: http://www.tuquito.org.ar/tukipedia/index.php?title=Grub_Códigos_Vga here is a table |
| 12:21.29 | anonissimus | xota: thanks! |
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| 12:21.44 | anonissimus | what char is the ? ?? |
| 12:22.24 | anonissimus | I get c?digos |
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| 12:23.12 | xota | anonissimus: it's in spanish, it's a tilde (áéÃÂóú), see here: http://pastebin.com/m2b777ed6 |
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| 12:23.29 | anonissimus | yeah I tried some different chars |
| 12:23.30 | anonissimus | :) |
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| 12:26.25 | anonissimus | not working... hmmm |
| 12:26.33 | anonissimus | will be around later to solve this |
| 12:26.40 | anonissimus | customers are waiting... |
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| 12:30.23 | leOn | xota: it's actually portuguese |
| 12:30.54 | leOn | anonissimus: ó |
| 12:31.44 | leOn | hmm |
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| 12:32.14 | leOn | i was under the impression that "codes" in spanish didn't use the accent |
| 12:32.34 | leOn | so it's spanish .. but it's an "o" |
| 12:32.36 | leOn | =) |
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| 12:36.28 | xro | xota, i have the answer... you let the passphrase blanc when you create your key... |
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| 12:39.05 | xro | i need some help with cron.... i have to do that --> ssh root@x.x.x.x "python /root/hello.py in my crontab file.... (it's work in my shell how to do it in crontab?) |
| 12:39.30 | Ornedan | How does one disable the Synaptics Touchpad on a T61? Previously, just removing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package worked, but now it's still active. Using testing packages |
| 12:39.31 | |Mike| | man cron |
| 12:40.56 | xro | |Mike|, i looked in man cron but it doesn't work |
| 12:41.41 | xro | |Mike|, that is my crontab line --> */1 * * * * ssh root@x.x.x.x "python /root/hello.py " |
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| 12:44.13 | |Mike| | xro: I would see that as a high security risk. You don't want to store private key files on servers ;) |
| 12:44.47 | |Mike| | why don't you let cron execute that command on the remote server ? (asin, a local cronjob) |
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| 12:45.31 | Stereo | what |Mike| said. Especially a private key for root. |
| 12:46.03 | xro | |Mike|, i need to have the cron localy... can you explain me why it doesn't work? |
| 12:46.07 | Stereo | if you can't run cron on the remote host, you can call a script over http that runs that command |
| 12:48.00 | xro | Stereo, security is not my objective now... can you explain me why my cron command doesn't work? |
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| 12:48.41 | |Mike| | Because you don't want to use that in general. As i said before, it's an high security risk. |
| 12:49.31 | xro | |Mike|, yes i understand the risk and so on... but whats is wrong in my cron command? |
| 12:49.42 | BW^- | I have a debian etch with apache 2.2.3 bundled with it. I need a feature in apache2 that comes starting with version 2.2.8. How can I upgrade it without doing it from source? |
| 12:49.52 | bugjar | xro, can you normally ssh sa root? |
| 12:51.20 | BW^- | anyone please? :) i suppose it's a question of plugging in a newer package repository perhaps |
| 12:51.20 | xro | bugjar, yes.... when i try in a shell it works fine |
| 12:51.45 | |Mike| | xro: You have created a private keypair and putted the public one in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys etc? |
| 12:52.00 | xro | |Mike|, yes |
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| 12:55.34 | jelly | Shadur: there are two things to resize: the partition (a block device), and the filesystem on it. ext3 can be resized online, but the partition can't. |
| 12:56.01 | BW^- | so i want to install the apache2 packages of lenny into etch. is this doable? |
| 12:56.11 | jelly | Shadur: the disk must be completely not in use, or the kernel won't be able to update the in-memory partition table. |
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| 12:57.21 | |Mike| | xro: what does your auth.log say etc? |
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| 12:59.59 | Stereo | BW^-: you're better off upgrading to lenny now. Security support for etch ends in a couple of days. |
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| 13:00.14 | BW^- | whoa. |
| 13:00.22 | jelly | eh, I haven't updated all the sarges yet |
| 13:00.42 | BW^- | ah it's just a local development machine. i'll aptitude install -t lenny apache2 |
| 13:00.43 | xro | |Mike|, on the remote machine? --> Feb 4 13:26:54 xxxxxxx sshd[4602]: Accepted publickey for root from x.x.x.x port 50501 ssh2 |
| 13:01.01 | jelly | wonders if anyone has apache 1.3 packages for lenny |
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| 13:03.46 | Stereo | jelly: right along with my php 3 and mysql 4 packages :) |
| 13:04.14 | jelly | oh, mysql is upgradeable without many issues I think |
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| 13:04.52 | jelly | eh, I'll package it myself, can't be bothered to fix the user's app properly |
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| 13:06.26 | J_P | hi all |
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| 13:08.13 | xro | how can i be sure that my cron works? |
| 13:08.38 | BW^- | xro: pipe its output somewhere? |
| 13:08.43 | BW^- | add a "; echo I WORK" to it? |
| 13:09.06 | jelly | xro: have it output something on stdout, then read the mail. Or have it touch a file. Or enable cron.log in syslog and look at it. |
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| 13:10.02 | jelly | add MAILTO = some@addre.ss on the top of that crontab to send mail somewhere else than the use running it |
| 13:10.20 | xro | */1 * * * * echo test_cron >> /home/framework01/test |
| 13:10.44 | jelly | using "date" might be more useful |
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| 13:12.33 | xro | jelly, so i dont have /home/framework/test --> that means that cron doesn't execute my command... rigth? |
| 13:12.59 | jelly | or that user doesn't have permissions to write there |
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| 13:13.28 | jelly | xro: or that file doesn't exist, so shell cannot append to it (>> only appends to an existing file) |
| 13:13.33 | linuxguy2009 | Why don't system sounds work even though I installed gnome-audio? |
| 13:14.11 | linuxguy2009 | The sounds in Sound Preferences wont play either when i test them. |
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| 13:20.42 | xro | jelly, yes www-data has the permission... but it's the www-data crontab file... Should i activate it' |
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| 13:22.13 | jelly | xro: activate what? |
| 13:22.38 | jelly | xro: echo foo >> somefile will only add stuff to somefile if it already exists. |
| 13:22.39 | xro | jelly, cron knows the www-data crontab? |
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| 13:25.12 | jelly | sorry, I don't understand that question. |
| 13:25.59 | jelly | xro: if you su to www-data, and run that command, does it work? |
| 13:26.03 | xro | jelly, the cron deamon automatically execute the www-data crontab? |
| 13:26.27 | xro | jelly, yes,, all works fine in the shell |
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| 13:27.12 | jelly | xro: ls -la /home/framework/test |
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| 13:27.47 | jelly | xro: or better, ls -ld /home/framework /home/framework/test |
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| 13:28.32 | xro | jelly, -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 5 2010-02-04 14:18 /home/framework/test |
| 13:29.12 | Shadur | looks back in... Jelly: Yeah, I found that out. I'll schedule a shutdown and start up with that gparted live CD soemtime tonight when there aren't a few hundred customers on the thing. |
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| 13:30.25 | debianix | hello |
| 13:30.37 | jelly | Shadur: if it's not a system disk and you're able to umount and swapoff everything from it, you could do it without reboot |
| 13:30.39 | debianix | i am having some trouble with my network |
| 13:31.03 | debianix | i've set a static ip in /et/network/interfaces |
| 13:31.14 | jelly | Shadur: make sure your backups work. :-) |
| 13:31.16 | debianix | but each time i reboot, i get another ip |
| 13:31.59 | debianix | i've set 192.168.1.5 but get x.x.x.3 for all the time |
| 13:32.06 | debianix | anyone can help witht hat |
| 13:32.54 | xro | jelly, what that means? (www-data) WRONG INODE INFO (crontabs/www-data) |
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| 13:34.31 | jelly | xro: heh, I have no idea. |
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| 13:34.52 | debianix | :/ |
| 13:35.16 | jelly | xro: ls -la /var/spool/cron/crontabs/www-data ? Have you tried googling that "WRONG INODE INFO" message? |
| 13:35.59 | xro | jelly, no it's because i put the same command on /etc/crontab... |
| 13:36.16 | xro | jelly, but it's like my /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 13:36.38 | xro | jelly, but it's like my /var/spool/cron/crontabs/www-data is never read and executed... |
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| 13:36.51 | jelly | xro: please show that ls. |
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| 13:37.22 | jelly | xro: or pastebin the whole of ls -la /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 13:38.12 | xro | drwxrwxrwx 2 root crontab 4096 2010-02-04 11:35 . drwxrwxrwx 5 root root 4096 2009-07-09 09:43 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 1057 2010-02-04 14:37 www-data |
| 13:39.02 | jelly | xro: which debian release are you using? pastebin dpkg -l libc6 cron | tail -2 |
| 13:39.42 | xro | jelly, ii cron 3.0pl1-100ubuntu2.1 management of regular background processing |
| 13:39.46 | jelly | xro: your /var/spool/cron/crontabs permissions are completely wrong for Debian 5 |
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| 13:39.59 | jelly | xro: you're not using Debian, ask in #ubuntu |
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| 13:40.16 | jelly | sighs |
| 13:40.22 | xro | jelly, but it should be the same |
| 13:40.40 | jelly | xro: it's not |
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| 13:40.51 | jelly | come back if you can reproduce the issue on Debian |
| 13:41.10 | xro | jelly, ok but i'm sure that will be the same... |
| 13:41.24 | xro | jelly, thanks bye |
| 13:41.34 | jelly | thank you for playing #d |
| 13:43.07 | jelly | debianix: you might have a stray dhcp client running? ps -fe |grep dhc? |
| 13:43.11 | smhar | jelly: thank you for your help, my computers can now connetc to the internet -sorry for the delay, had to attend to the baby- |
| 13:43.28 | debianix | :/ |
| 13:43.31 | debianix | lemme check |
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| 13:43.47 | jelly | smhar: np, have a nice day |
| 13:45.08 | smhar | jelly: two other things, one: the update also broke the X, and I am now booted in console, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg but it did not work |
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| 13:46.33 | debianix | nope i don't |
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| 13:47.19 | debianix | arrg |
| 13:47.28 | jelly | smhar: nvidia or ati? |
| 13:47.40 | debianix | guess i would do a net install ! each time i do an upgrade something happens |
| 13:48.04 | jelly | debianix: don't give up, debian is meant to be upgraded ;-) |
| 13:48.19 | jelly | but it you're using testing, anything can happen |
| 13:48.46 | debianix | i agree, but after each reboot it dies |
| 13:48.52 | debianix | something goes wrong |
| 13:49.32 | smhar | jelly: I think it is AGP VIA P4M890 |
| 13:49.36 | debianix | i have myth on it and each time ip add changes, nothing works |
| 13:49.49 | debianix | the whole process again |
| 13:50.26 | jelly | debianix: does doing "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" fix it? |
| 13:50.43 | jelly | smhar: oh. No experience with via, sorry |
| 13:50.59 | jelly | smhar: do you have a pci id of that card? |
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| 13:52.17 | debianix | nah tried that too first :P |
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| 13:53.08 | smhar | jelly: lspci |grep VIA: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) |
| 13:53.11 | debianix | going for a net install |
| 13:53.16 | debianix | then no more upgrades |
| 13:53.19 | debianix | thx |
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| 13:56.34 | znull | hello, any good howto for nagios+debian ? thanks |
| 13:57.42 | jelly | smhar: the numeric pciid, please (lspci -n -s 01:00:0) |
| 13:58.39 | RichiH | jelly: do you happen to know why dnscache ignores /etc/dnscache/root/servers/@ and just queries whatever it wants when doing lookups over pseudo-ipv6 a la ::ffff:141.1.1.1 ? |
| 13:58.44 | smhar | jelly: nothing |
| 13:59.11 | jelly | smhar: then find 01:00.0 in "lspci -n" and paste that |
| 13:59.45 | RichiH | (i hate djb) |
| 13:59.47 | jelly | RichiH: I have no idea about ipv6 interactions |
| 13:59.54 | RichiH | pity |
| 13:59.57 | RichiH | thanks though |
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| 14:00.02 | jelly | stays away from it |
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| 14:00.31 | smhar | jelly: 01:00.0 0300: 1106:3343 (rev 01) |
| 14:00.59 | jelly | judd: xorg 1106:3343 |
| 14:01.01 | judd | In lenny, device 1106:3343 is matched by xorg driver: 'openchrome'. |
| 14:01.49 | jelly | smhar: well... are xserver-xorg-video-{openchrome,via} installed? |
| 14:02.14 | jelly | judd: xorg 1106:3343 --release squeeze |
| 14:02.15 | judd | In squeeze, device 1106:3343 is matched by xorg driver: 'openchrome'. |
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| 14:05.07 | smhar | jelly: no, it seems that they where removed in the upgrade.. installing them again |
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| 14:06.27 | smhar | jelly: installed and working. thank you.. me happy |
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| 14:07.29 | smhar | jelly: away from what? |
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| 14:09.22 | smhar | enough of irssi and back to xchat :-) |
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| 14:10.03 | G__81 | hi i read in the debian website that the freebsd kernel can be installed in Debian and make debian run on top of FreeBSD kernel. Am i right ? |
| 14:10.51 | BlackFate | y |
| 14:11.07 | G__81 | BlackFate, why ? |
| 14:11.12 | BlackFate | why? |
| 14:11.18 | BlackFate | y=yes |
| 14:11.24 | BlackFate | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 14:11.27 | G__81 | BlackFate Oh sorry :) |
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| 14:11.52 | G__81 | BlackFate, so that means when i try to run some networking stuff its the FreeBSD IP stack which would be used completely right ? |
| 14:12.06 | BlackFate | yes |
| 14:12.22 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know a pooling backup system with a WebUI that can automatically pull backups from networked computers using rsync or ssh |
| 14:12.33 | BlackFate | its like bsd with debian packaging system |
| 14:12.38 | BlackFate | and directory format |
| 14:12.52 | G__81 | but the kernel currently thats used is 7.2 right ? can i download the freebsd 8.0 kernel and compile it and run it so that i get the same behaviour of FreeBSD 8.0 ? |
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| 14:14.17 | G__81 | is that possible ? |
| 14:14.42 | BlackFate | G__81, maybe... and soon squeeze wil come with 8 i think |
| 14:14.42 | BlackFate | you could try... |
| 14:14.43 | panfist_ | i had sound working...i rebooted...now it's not... :( |
| 14:15.00 | anarcat | so i've got this crazily annoying problem with software raid here: if the disk controler (in this case SATA over USB) resets for some reason (e.g. i trip the wire) the array panics and becomes non-functional. i can't rebuild it because the devices have disappeared, and i can't stop it because it's busy with LVM (which can't release it because of I/O errors) what to do? |
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| 14:15.14 | BlackFate | panfist_, try amixer set Master 100% on |
| 14:15.19 | anarcat | or better yet: where's the best place to ask those crazy raid questions? |
| 14:15.23 | G__81 | BlackFate, Its a great initiative i have become so interested in FreeBSD kernel and really want to play with it |
| 14:15.58 | panfist_ | didn't work |
| 14:16.28 | JyZyXEL | anarcat: kill all the processes keeping it busy? |
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| 14:16.46 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: unfortunatly, it's lvm + crypt, so it's not userland |
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| 14:17.04 | anarcat | can you kill kernel threads? |
| 14:17.05 | BlackFate | G__81, http://packages.debian.org/sid/kfreebsd-image-8.0-1-amd64 |
| 14:17.38 | JyZyXEL | you can try but it probably won't work |
| 14:17.53 | anarcat | indeed, it doesn't |
| 14:18.01 | JyZyXEL | i've found no other way than rebooting in a situation like that |
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| 14:18.27 | anarcat | same here |
| 14:18.33 | anarcat | i find that pathetic though :P |
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| 14:19.10 | JyZyXEL | indeed |
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| 14:19.41 | anarcat | the most annoying part is mdadm telling you the device doesn't exist when you try to -fail or -remove it :( |
| 14:19.58 | anarcat | "i *know* it doesn't exist you retard! just get rid of the damn thing!" |
| 14:20.03 | anarcat | ;) |
| 14:20.10 | panfist_ | i think you were being too verbose |
| 14:20.18 | panfist_ | all you need to say is "the most annoying part i mdadm" |
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| 14:20.23 | panfist_ | s/i/is/ |
| 14:20.28 | anarcat | hehe |
| 14:21.09 | JyZyXEL | won't the devices com back when you replug them |
| 14:21.34 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: they come back, but with different identifiers |
| 14:21.41 | anarcat | it's looking for sda1, but now it's sdc1 |
| 14:21.50 | anarcat | (or is it sdd1? you need to guess! yay!) |
| 14:22.33 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how long you can keep incrementing their identifier :-D |
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| 14:23.54 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: hey, maybe if i unplug and replug it it'll be sda/sdb again? :P |
| 14:24.01 | anarcat | sounds like a bad idea eh :P |
| 14:24.08 | anarcat | will go try just that |
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| 14:24.32 | JyZyXEL | im thinking the system keeping track of those indentifiers is called udev |
| 14:24.57 | sanderj_ | Anyone know which date the security updates for debian etch ends? |
| 14:25.03 | JyZyXEL | i've too noticed it failing sometimes with USB devices |
| 14:25.04 | anarcat | [39987.157374] sd 2:0:0:1: [sdf] Attached SCSI disk |
| 14:25.07 | anarcat | lovely |
| 14:25.21 | anarcat | "the most annoying part is udev" i guess :P |
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| 14:25.46 | anarcat | sda, sdb, sdc and sdd are gone, wtf does it use sdf?! |
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| 14:26.06 | Zbyshek | Is anybody here using pdnsd? |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | you forgot sde ? |
| 14:26.11 | JyZyXEL | yea and escpecially when its the same device |
| 14:26.25 | Zbyshek | Have problem with binding it to IPv6 address |
| 14:26.26 | sanderj_ | On wikipedia it just says 2010-02 |
| 14:26.38 | sanderj_ | Wondring which date this month. |
| 14:26.43 | sanderj_ | *day* |
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| 14:26.44 | anarcat | abrotman: it's a pair of disks, so it's sde and sdf together |
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| 14:27.14 | themill | dpkg: tell sanderj_ about etch security |
| 14:27.18 | abrotman | sanderj_: in a week or so |
| 14:27.41 | anarcat | i thought it was already finished |
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| 14:29.10 | JyZyXEL | anarcat: can't you bring the array offline with mdadm? |
| 14:29.21 | svendev | Hellow |
| 14:29.30 | JyZyXEL | then build it again with the new device identifiers |
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| 14:30.24 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: dream on: mdadm: fail to stop array /dev/md1: Device or resource busy |
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| 14:30.32 | anarcat | because cryptsetup has a hold of it |
| 14:30.45 | sanderj_ | exactly.. February 15th, 2010.. thanks :-) |
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| 14:31.15 | anarcat | then when trying to release resources in cryptsetup, i get this: Command failed: Device busy |
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| 14:31.26 | anarcat | then I/O errors in LVM |
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| 14:31.55 | JyZyXEL | yea well thats normal |
| 14:32.13 | abrotman | Hydroxide: I see on the DC10 page about room (food not yet finalized) .. What about car parking? I'll be driving up I think. |
| 14:32.45 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: yeah well, that makes it impossible to restart the arrays |
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| 14:33.04 | anarcat | i guess i could rebuild a new array, then start crypt on top of that and all... |
| 14:33.08 | anarcat | but it's simpler to reboot |
| 14:33.15 | JyZyXEL | yea you could do that always |
| 14:33.28 | anarcat | besides, i really don't like the idea of having LVM running twice on the same hardware |
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| 14:33.37 | anarcat | what if it decides to fix itself all of a sudden? :P |
| 14:33.53 | JyZyXEL | yea you wish |
| 14:34.16 | anarcat | hehe |
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| 14:35.47 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: thanks for the help anyways, i'm glad to see i'm not a complete retard |
| 14:35.48 | anarcat | :) |
| 14:36.33 | JyZyXEL | im not sure where you would file a bugreport about that though |
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| 14:37.07 | Zbyshek | Does anyone here using pdnsd? Not able to force it to listen on something else than localhost... |
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| 14:39.21 | abrotman | Zbyshek: what have you tried so far ? |
| 14:39.42 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: mdadm? |
| 14:39.55 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: seems the most likely culprit: i should be able to stop an array no matter what |
| 14:41.25 | Zbyshek | abrotman: server_ip any, interface any (or particular ip of eth) |
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| 14:41.36 | Zbyshek | abrotman: still listening only on localhost |
| 14:41.44 | xand | win 90 |
| 14:41.55 | JyZyXEL | but on the other hand you should also have the power to make the device not busy |
| 14:42.51 | Zbyshek | abrotman: and only on 127.0.0.1, cant even force it to ::1 |
| 14:42.57 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: in cryptsetup? |
| 14:43.02 | anarcat | or i guess in LVM eh |
| 14:43.10 | anarcat | there are two bugs |
| 14:43.18 | JyZyXEL | yea i guess so |
| 14:43.26 | anarcat | the first one is "I can't remove devices that have disappeared from a raid array" |
| 14:43.38 | JyZyXEL | are you sure mdadm doesn't have somekind of --force that might help? |
| 14:43.40 | anarcat | the second one is "I can't disable a volume group that has failed devices" |
| 14:43.46 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: i looked, nothing |
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| 14:44.39 | abrotman | Zbyshek: which file i meant ... i'd imagine there's like a /etc/pdns/* and a /etc/default/pdns |
| 14:46.35 | anarcat | see, lvm is one of the most retarded kind here |
| 14:46.47 | Zbyshek | abrotman: both |
| 14:47.12 | Zbyshek | abrotman: in .conf i tried the interfaces in default the v6 |
| 14:47.15 | anarcat | I/O error then "Failed to read physical volume /dev/mapper/anarcat" then "0 physical volumes changed / 0 physical volumes not changed" |
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| 14:48.00 | JyZyXEL | whats /dev/mapper/anarcat |
| 14:48.13 | anarcat | JyZyXEL: it's the crypto volume |
| 14:48.26 | JyZyXEL | on a raid? |
| 14:48.27 | anarcat | created with cryptsetup luksOpen anarcat... |
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| 14:49.19 | JyZyXEL | failed arrays produce alot of I/O errors |
| 14:49.20 | PascalS | 'noon. |
| 14:49.43 | JyZyXEL | they also go into read only |
| 14:50.32 | PascalS | I don't remember who suggested shorewall this morning, but TY. Works like a charm :) |
| 14:50.53 | JyZyXEL | yea shorewall ftw |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | Zbyshek: maybe paste your config files in a pastebin |
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| 14:52.00 | PascalS | In my haste to deploy the server to the datacenter I forgot I don't have a handy DNS server there. I really would like to forego bind just as a caching name server... |
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| 14:52.54 | PascalS | I still wonder why I switch server distro's every four or five years. |
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| 14:53.59 | PascalS | Last generation servers ran Suse. |
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| 14:54.46 | PascalS | So - anyone a nice lightweight .deb suggestion for a secure caching DNS server |
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| 14:58.27 | kanobe | PascalS: Sorry, no idea |
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| 14:58.59 | aburch | PascalS: unbound? Or aptitude search '?tag(protocol::dns) ?tag(network::server)' |
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| 14:59.15 | PascalS | seeks |
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| 15:00.01 | PyroPhelia | what causes "ravalidation errors" on ata devices? I have a system that has 45 SATA drives configured in 3 raid 6's. after syncing the raids, it will remain stable for about 4-7 days and then I'll get revalidation errors on disks and they're kicked out of the raid. i've replaced the port mulitplyers, and power cables and i've run several smart scans on the drives that are kicked out of the raid. It's not likely that it's a |
| 15:00.01 | PyroPhelia | hardware fault with those 3 components so what else causes Revalidation errors? |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | PascalS: bind does run in caching mode by default .. if that's all you want |
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| 15:01.09 | PascalS | abrotman: bind is one of the few standard unix components that just scare me |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | well, for what you're using it for, doesn't require much configuration |
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| 15:02.15 | PyroPhelia | could a kernel bug causes validation errors? |
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| 15:02.49 | PascalS | heat. |
| 15:03.03 | PascalS | PyroPhelia: like your name suggests. heat |
| 15:03.08 | PascalS | get them colder |
| 15:03.29 | PascalS | Or are you running that raid idle? |
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| 15:04.05 | PyroPhelia | Pascals, for the most part they are idle. the drives rarely see temps above 35c |
| 15:04.23 | PascalS | Still. |
| 15:04.26 | PascalS | 45 drives. |
| 15:04.36 | PascalS | not your run of the mill config. |
| 15:04.37 | PyroPhelia | they're being cooled by 6 120mm fans |
| 15:04.56 | PyroPhelia | yea I know. it's sata port replication to the extreme, but I know it's technically possible |
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| 15:06.05 | PyroPhelia | to be honest, I didn't think about heat being an issue. i'll check the drives again but for the most part they are very cool. |
| 15:06.05 | PascalS | stuff being possible and being stable... not the same thing in this case... |
| 15:06.14 | PyroPhelia | point taken. |
| 15:06.37 | PascalS | It would only take one or two drives in the middle overheating and causing spurious signals |
| 15:06.56 | PyroPhelia | and that is exactly what's happening to. |
| 15:07.21 | PascalS | Always the same drives? |
| 15:07.21 | PyroPhelia | it's usally drives in the dead center of the port replicators that fall off first, then drives directly adjacent to them fall off next. or the whole card |
| 15:07.34 | PyroPhelia | 9/10 times it's drives in the center of the card that fail |
| 15:07.58 | PascalS | So - what do you use that array for? Video rendering? |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | PyroPhelia: possible cabling issue? |
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| 15:08.16 | EagleRock | how do you have those drives enclosed? (just curious) |
| 15:08.19 | PyroPhelia | not the rendering no, just HD storage |
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| 15:08.48 | PyroPhelia | my company produces hundreds of HD videos for police training and we needed a cheap place to store them |
| 15:09.03 | PascalS | Drobo's too expensive? |
| 15:09.05 | PyroPhelia | we have 2 apple xsans we use for the rendering |
| 15:09.13 | PascalS | or too slow |
| 15:09.43 | EagleRock | my guess is an HP EVA SAN is prohibitively expensive ;-) |
| 15:09.46 | PyroPhelia | well I can't talk about our needs specifically, but we built a 2 petabyte cluster for less than $80k. |
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| 15:10.10 | PyroPhelia | the same specs for hp or dell blade center ran in the hundreds of thousands |
| 15:10.12 | mguy | PyroPhelia: Did you build a 'backblaze' pod? |
| 15:10.16 | PyroPhelia | yeap |
| 15:10.18 | PascalS | That's a neat trick. The ones I saw at IBC were more expensive I think |
| 15:10.33 | RedTide | hi, is there a way to install kvirc 3.4.2 binaries in testing/squeeze or I have to compile it from source? |
| 15:10.34 | EagleRock | that's a ridiculous amount of storage for that price |
| 15:10.44 | PyroPhelia | oh I know |
| 15:10.51 | PyroPhelia | and it's fantastic when it works :P |
| 15:10.52 | EagleRock | gotta love prices of SATA these days |
| 15:10.58 | PascalS | All online? |
| 15:11.01 | PyroPhelia | yeap |
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| 15:11.07 | PyroPhelia | and we have AC cooling in the rack room |
| 15:11.13 | mguy | You did 2 petabytes for 80k? |
| 15:11.14 | PyroPhelia | deadicated* ac cooling that is |
| 15:11.16 | PyroPhelia | yes sir |
| 15:11.23 | PascalS | yes. that goes without saying |
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| 15:11.44 | crash82 | Hello , is there anyway to know if the attached disk of the computer is of phisical size of 2.5 or 3.5 ? By model or something like that what tool can I use ? |
| 15:11.52 | PyroPhelia | yea we couldn't find a cheaper way to build that much cheaper |
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| 15:12.05 | PyroPhelia | I know top loaded raid cases are a pain in the ass to work with but |
| 15:12.07 | PascalS | crash82: use the partition editor |
| 15:12.09 | mguy | What size drives did you use? |
| 15:12.10 | PyroPhelia | for that price i'll deal with it |
| 15:12.14 | PyroPhelia | 1.5TB |
| 15:12.44 | PyroPhelia | to be honest it's a little less than 2PB but it's damn close |
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| 15:12.51 | JyZyXEL | id go with 2 TB ones |
| 15:12.55 | PyroPhelia | each box is 135lbs :P |
| 15:12.57 | PascalS | honesty is overrated |
| 15:13.10 | PyroPhelia | yea we tried a case with 2TB disks but they got really hot |
| 15:13.11 | EagleRock | to be honest, if you're even coming remotely close to 2PB, you have nothing to prove :-) |
| 15:13.26 | mguy | JyZyXEL: Apparenltly its cheaper to use 1.5's |
| 15:13.30 | mguy | http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ Here's how to build your own |
| 15:13.44 | PascalS | Disks have a sweetspot in price per GB |
| 15:14.08 | PascalS | It's at 1.5TB at the moment I think |
| 15:14.08 | PyroPhelia | we tried with 2TB first, but the disks would idle around 39c |
| 15:14.14 | JyZyXEL | at the moment yeah |
| 15:14.19 | EagleRock | oh, it's this, I remember this |
| 15:14.24 | JyZyXEL | but 2 TB is gonna eventually get more bang for buck |
| 15:14.34 | PyroPhelia | matbe in a couple months |
| 15:14.39 | PascalS | Yeah. |
| 15:14.40 | mguy | Then you'll say to use 3TB drives ;) |
| 15:14.43 | crash82 | PascalS, 2.5" or 3.5" |
| 15:14.53 | PascalS | Oh, physical size. |
| 15:14.54 | JyZyXEL | and their availability might be better cause 2 TB is a nice even value |
| 15:14.59 | EagleRock | I'd guess 3.5, it looks like a 3U rack |
| 15:15.14 | JyZyXEL | and you get more space with the same amount of power usage |
| 15:15.23 | JyZyXEL | so in the long run they might be a wise investment |
| 15:15.24 | PascalS | crash82: for that you'd need the model number, you can find that through /proc somewhere. |
| 15:15.42 | PascalS | Once you have the model number, google is your friend crash82 |
| 15:15.45 | PyroPhelia | abortman, i can't rule out a cabling issue because I eneded up hand making many of the power cables that power the port replicators. but i've replaced so many cables and I keep getting the same issues it's hard for me to believe that's the problem |
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| 15:16.03 | crash82 | PascalS, going to try |
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| 15:16.23 | PyroPhelia | the mention of heat causing drives in the center of the array causing others around it to fail makes a lot of sense to me because that is exactly what is happening |
| 15:16.43 | PascalS | crash82: it might even be in your dmesg output |
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| 15:16.55 | EagleRock | you could try using a spot A/C cooler on the array with the top open |
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| 15:17.21 | PyroPhelia | hmm |
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| 15:17.26 | EagleRock | I don't know how well equipped your data center is |
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| 15:17.45 | PascalS | notices it is time to pick up children from day care and some shopping. |
| 15:17.53 | PyroPhelia | it's a converted mail room with 3 42U fully populated racks |
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| 15:18.09 | PyroPhelia | if you guys saw a pic of my office you'd die laughing |
| 15:18.24 | PascalS | PyroPhelia: well. I don't have a lot of experience with lots of drives in systems, quite a few of my problems have been heat issues. |
| 15:18.28 | EagleRock | can't be worse than my old server room |
| 15:18.51 | PascalS | once had a drive run at 75C. |
| 15:18.55 | EagleRock | 4 42u racks stored in an old converted wash room |
| 15:19.07 | EagleRock | cooled by a mobile 30K A/C cooler |
| 15:19.08 | PascalS | That drive died. Obviously. |
| 15:19.15 | PyroPhelia | hmmm |
| 15:19.31 | PyroPhelia | I don't remember them ever getting that hot. but I need to check the smart status |
| 15:19.42 | PyroPhelia | that's very possible |
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| 15:19.46 | PascalS | grow in the dark drives |
| 15:19.49 | PascalS | glow |
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| 15:20.11 | PascalS | is really gone now |
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| 15:31.05 | crash82 | PascalS, couldn't get the info because there's a raid card in between but was able to find the tec details of the machine |
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| 15:33.49 | pozic | Is there a way to give a program e.g. a regular expression, a email configuration and then it saves all the attachments in e.g. the current directory? |
| 15:34.12 | pozic | Or are there tools to do part of that? |
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| 15:41.57 | remoteCTRL1 | how do i find out if lenny's freeradius package has tls support compiled into it? |
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| 15:43.30 | kanobe | remoteCTRL1: radclient -v? |
| 15:43.44 | kanobe | remoteCTRL1: Maybe after outputting version info it will give a list of enabled/disabled features |
| 15:44.03 | remoteCTRL1 | kanobe: radclient: $Id: radclient.c,v 1.120 2008/04/03 13:43:12 aland Exp $ built on Sep 7 2008 at 23:35:46 |
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| 15:44.10 | remoteCTRL1 | i am afraid not so... |
| 15:44.13 | kanobe | remoteCTRL1: Crap. |
| 15:44.19 | remoteCTRL1 | :D agree |
| 15:45.08 | kanobe | remoteCTRL1: Well.... you could apt-get source it, and then look in the config.h or configure file or whatever |
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| 15:45.29 | themill | ,depends freeradius |
| 15:45.30 | judd | freeradius -- Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreeradius2 (= 2.0.4+dfsg-6), libgdbm3, libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libsnmp15 (>= 5.4.1~dfsg), python2.5 (>= 2.5), freeradius-common |
| 15:45.35 | themill | ,depends freeradius --release lenny-backports |
| 15:45.36 | judd | freeradius -- Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.1-23.2), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreeradius2 (= 2.1.8+dfsg-1~bpo50+1), libgdbm3, libltdl3 (>= 1.5.2-2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libperl5.10 (>= 5.10.0), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8f-5), python2.5 (>= 2.5), freeradius-common, ssl-cert, adduser |
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| 15:45.59 | themill | remoteCTRL1: ^^ I'd say that since the version on backports.org depends on libssl and the version in lenny proper does not, that you now have your answer :) |
| 15:46.43 | remoteCTRL1 | themill: genious, tnaks! :) |
| 15:46.48 | remoteCTRL1 | err thanks |
| 15:46.53 | themill | np |
| 15:48.19 | kanobe | themill: Nice work |
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| 15:54.48 | asarch | Any Emacs user around here? |
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| 15:57.35 | pozic | asarch: probably 20-30%. |
| 15:57.45 | asarch | Are you pozic? |
| 15:58.16 | pozic | asarch: In #emacs 100% is. |
| 15:58.32 | asarch | They don't know my question pozic |
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| 15:58.43 | pozic | asarch: I am. |
| 15:58.45 | asarch | (At least all the users in that channel) |
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| 15:59.07 | asarch | pozic: I have these three Emacs macros: http://emacs.pastebin.com/m251081b7 |
| 15:59.20 | asarch | pozic,How can I recall 'dias' in a new Emacs session? |
| 15:59.28 | asarch | I already store them in the ~/.emacs init file |
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| 16:00.09 | pozic | asarch: by recall, you mean call again? |
| 16:00.12 | asarch | Everytime time I try I get: kmacro-call-macro: No kbd macro has been defined |
| 16:00.15 | asarch | Yes pozic |
| 16:00.29 | asarch | Use the 'dias' macro again in a new Emacs session |
| 16:00.43 | pozic | asarch: what does fset do? The same as defun? |
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| 16:02.05 | asarch | That Lips code was generated by the M-x kmacro-name-last-macro <macro_name>; M-x insert-kbd-macro <macro_name> functions |
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| 16:02.35 | wols | I want to run my debian partition (machine is dual booting) both, natively and under CoLinux. However, CoLinux uses different device names for the various partitions. any suggestion how to tell the fstab distinguish between colinux and native run? |
| 16:02.38 | pozic | asarch: I would look at what keyboard macros are in scope. |
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| 16:02.51 | pozic | asarch: and at the rules which decide which ones are in scope. |
| 16:03.10 | pozic | asarch: if according to these rules this should work, you should report a bug or write a patch. |
| 16:03.24 | asarch | Oh |
| 16:03.26 | asarch | :-( |
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| 16:03.34 | pozic | asarch: I expect that by the time you understand what exactly all those terms mean, you already found the answer. |
| 16:03.55 | asarch | So I pozic, so I... |
| 16:04.03 | pozic | asarch: you read the documentation. |
| 16:04.07 | asarch | Anyway. Thank you very much for your time pozic |
| 16:04.11 | asarch | Thank you |
| 16:04.12 | asarch | :-) |
| 16:04.23 | asarch | See you later |
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| 16:06.36 | muddd | where does statd load from? I need to disable it |
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| 16:12.11 | manuel_ | how can i use #flood? |
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| 16:13.10 | scummos | hi :) i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and now have two problems. first one is, i don't have hardware graphics acceleration any more, but don't know why. i have an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 graphics card, and the "radeon" module is used as a driver. |
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| 16:13.41 | scummos | there is a Load "DRI" line in xorg.conf, too. shouldn't that be sufficient? |
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| 16:16.23 | wols | mesa installed? |
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| 16:16.44 | scummos | checks |
| 16:16.56 | lcb | hello all. on debian lenny basic installation + xfce4 i have on a disk 4 partitions: hda1= ext3 7GB | hda2= swap 3GB | hda3= ext3 10GB /home| hda4= ext3 20GB free.i would like to merge these last 2 partitions (hda3+4). Could you please tell me a safe way of doing it?! |
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| 16:17.33 | scummos | wols: libgl1-mesa-dri is the current version |
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| 16:18.12 | scummos | back in a second, just trying something |
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| 16:18.59 | scummos | hm, no. ^^ |
| 16:19.14 | wols | lsd: delete hda4 partition and increase the size of hda3 with gparted. but log out all normal users and unmount /homes before you try |
| 16:19.26 | wols | and of course, backup /homes |
| 16:19.32 | chops1 | lcb:How big are hda3 and hda4 and how much data is stored in each? |
| 16:19.35 | kanobe | lcb: So hda4 is completely empyty? |
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| 16:19.47 | scummos | tries again |
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| 16:20.14 | lcb | chops1, hda3 is almost full |
| 16:20.39 | lcb | chops1, abot 2 GB free, i mean |
| 16:20.53 | scummos | that's my xorg.conf... http://pastebin.com/d1a762a85 |
| 16:20.55 | lcb | kanobe, yes, hda4 is empty |
| 16:21.00 | kanobe | lcb: Oh after increasing the size of hda3 you would also have to modify the ext3 filesystem so that it knows it has more space. |
| 16:21.44 | lcb | Kanobe, i will delete hda4 now |
| 16:22.14 | chops1 | lcb: Use gparted is my advice. It should be very straightforward; just delete hda4 and expand hda3's partition and filesystem to cover the whole space |
| 16:22.31 | kanobe | lcb: wait, I;m not sure how to tell ext3 to expand |
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| 16:22.39 | kanobe | lcb: We might want to find that out before you try |
| 16:22.53 | lcb | kanobe :) |
| 16:22.59 | wols | kanobe: that's why you should tell him to use gparted. that one does everything at once, automatically |
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| 16:23.46 | lcb | wols, i don't have desktop environment as root. does gparted work? |
| 16:23.54 | kanobe | wols: Oh really? |
| 16:24.10 | kanobe | wols: That's pretty cool. Ok, nevermind then ;) |
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| 16:24.17 | wols | lcb: use parted then. it runs in the console |
| 16:24.32 | wols | kanobe: PS: ext2resize |
| 16:24.34 | lcb | wols, thank you |
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| 16:25.11 | ma3x | 'apt-cache pkgnames' - This command prints the name of each package in the system. Does it mean each package that's installed or each available package? |
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| 16:25.25 | lcb | kanobe, chops1, wols, thanks so much |
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| 16:26.05 | chops1 | lcb: np |
| 16:26.07 | kanobe | wols: Ah thanks |
| 16:26.18 | xxiao | how is debian dealing with fat32, is there a patent problem with it if a product uses that filesystem? |
| 16:26.58 | K5KRK | is there a deb package that contains Net::TCP/Net::IRR? |
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| 16:27.28 | scummos | hm, i don't understand that. glxinfo gives me "direct rendering: Yes", and lsmod tells me the "radeon" module is loaded. it's also in xorg.conf. still, i don't have hardware accelleration |
| 16:27.59 | scummos | any ideas? |
| 16:28.30 | wols | scummos: how do you know you don't have hw acceleration? |
| 16:28.39 | scummos | wols: blender is terribly slow :) |
| 16:29.00 | wols | scummos: check maybe other 3D programs too? e.g. compiz or such? |
| 16:29.19 | wols | xxiao: sofar, fat support is still in debian |
| 16:29.25 | scummos | wols: glxgears: 389 frames in 5.0 seconds = 77.710 FPS |
| 16:29.29 | scummos | that's software rendering |
| 16:29.35 | wols | if there is a patent problem you should ask MSFT, not us |
| 16:29.47 | kanobe | scummos: Really? On my system without DRI I was getting a lot lower than 77 ;) |
| 16:29.54 | kanobe | scummos: Well my old system. |
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| 16:30.03 | xxiao | wols: thanks. my boss somehow is nervous about it though we have used it for a few years, maybe he just read tomtom's old news |
| 16:30.04 | ma3x | 'apt-cache pkgnames' - I read somewhere this is supposed to show only installed packages. why does it show the not-installed too? |
| 16:30.05 | scummos | :) yes, i'm sure. it used to have > 2000 or something like that. |
| 16:30.22 | kanobe | scummos: Like when you resize glxgears to be fullscreen (like 1280x1024 or something) does it get sub-30FPS? |
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| 16:30.29 | kanobe | scummos: 2000? Crazy |
| 16:30.34 | wols | ma3x: dpkg -l <not installed pkgname>. what doe this put out? |
| 16:30.43 | themill | ma3x: "somewhere" |
| 16:30.43 | scummos | maybe not 2000, but much faster than 77 :) |
| 16:31.04 | xxiao | i'm not sure about ntfs though, went to ntfs-3g and linux-ntfs.org, is there a way I can get ntfs read/write working under debian without using ntfs-3g? |
| 16:31.07 | scummos | yes, for fullscreen, it's 5.4 FPS :D |
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| 16:31.15 | kanobe | scummos: Yeah that's software. |
| 16:31.19 | wols | xxiao: no. ntfs-3g is the only way |
| 16:31.21 | scummos | definitely. |
| 16:31.34 | scummos | but, why? any ideas? :) |
| 16:31.45 | wols | well, you might be able to run Windows as a VM and use this windows to access ntfs, but that's not really a solution |
| 16:31.46 | kanobe | scummos: Did you try installing a proprietary driver and an open source one? |
| 16:31.48 | xxiao | then linux-ntfs is not honest :( it says fuse and ntfsmount(from ntfsprogs) can get things work |
| 16:32.07 | scummos | kanobe: i only tried with the (OSS?) radeon module, because it worked perfectly before the upgrade |
| 16:32.13 | scummos | but i could try with the ati stuff, too... |
| 16:32.23 | kanobe | scummos: hold off on that |
| 16:32.30 | scummos | sorry? |
| 16:32.54 | kanobe | scummos: I tried that and after uninstalling them or switching back to the OSS ones, some components still tried to use the proprietary opengl implementation |
| 16:32.59 | ma3x | themill: quoting: Locate all packages The pkgnames subcommand displays the names of all the packages installed on the system. LPIC-1 - Roderick W. Smith |
| 16:33.13 | kanobe | scummos: As if it was using parts from the OSS and parts from the proprietary |
| 16:33.23 | scummos | :D okay |
| 16:33.29 | scummos | i never had luck with that, anyway |
| 16:33.31 | wols | xxiao: your reading comprehension needs improvement. linux-ntfs.org does not lie |
| 16:33.38 | scummos | but i don't have any other ideas, either :'[ |
| 16:33.49 | kanobe | scummos: Does Xorg.0.log give any hints? |
| 16:34.01 | wols | scummos: use the ati drivers from the debian non-free repo |
| 16:34.16 | wols | if you want to use fglrx at all that is |
| 16:34.27 | kanobe | scummos: Did you try checking out the steps from the DRI wiki? |
| 16:34.30 | kanobe | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting |
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| 16:34.37 | kanobe | scummos: They may have a clue...\ |
| 16:34.47 | ma3x | wols if i type dpkg -l nexuiz-server it says No packages found matching nexuiz-server. |
| 16:34.50 | scummos | i think my x config might be screwed |
| 16:35.03 | scummos | because scrolling with the touchpad doesn't work any more, either :) |
| 16:35.03 | ma3x | but apt-cache pkgnames nexuiz-server appears there |
| 16:35.04 | themill | ma3x: don't believe everything you read then. Check the man page and see what it is intended to be used for |
| 16:35.06 | wols | neoice: then such a package does not exist. not even on debian repos |
| 16:35.14 | kanobe | scummos: Hmm... |
| 16:35.19 | wols | ma3x: ^^ |
| 16:35.21 | kanobe | scummos: Do you have an old copy? |
| 16:35.30 | ma3x | themill: so it's a mistake from the author then .. |
| 16:35.34 | scummos | of the xorg.conf? no :'[ |
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| 16:35.53 | themill | ma3x: "apt-get source apt" and check yourself |
| 16:36.39 | scummos | aah, [ 868.960694] [drm:radeon_do_init_cp] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware! |
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| 16:36.47 | scummos | that's a start, at least :) |
| 16:37.04 | kanobe | scummos: Yeah, check out DRI wiki for that. I think they cover it. |
| 16:37.17 | kanobe | scummos: May be some kernel modules aren't loaded before X starts |
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| 16:37.29 | scummos | i'll just google for that error, first... |
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| 16:37.33 | kanobe | scummos: Sure |
| 16:37.45 | odla | what would the path to latex be on a debian system? |
| 16:37.48 | wols | ma3x: "This command prints the name of each package in the system." in the system means "in your apt system", e.g in your apt repository |
| 16:37.56 | lcb | wols, is 7GB too much for hda1 (boot, root etc?) just wondering ... i'm using this box for virtual machines at /home and usb. |
| 16:38.05 | scummos | kanobe: "apt-get install firmware-linux" *try* |
| 16:38.10 | kanobe | kanobe@andor:/tmp$ whereis latex |
| 16:38.10 | kanobe | latex: /usr/bin/latex /usr/X11R6/bin/latex /usr/bin/X11/latex /usr/share/man/man1/latex.1.gz |
| 16:38.23 | wols | do a apt-cache pkgnames | wc -l. for my, it spits out 36000 pages. this means it's ALL the names in the repos referenced from your sources.list |
| 16:38.31 | scummos | back in a second, doing a quick restart... |
| 16:38.36 | ma3x | wols: i see the man page is correct |
| 16:38.38 | xxiao | wol: i failed to find any mention of ntfs-3g on linux-ntfs.org, thought it's unrelated and can get thing work alone |
| 16:38.51 | wols | lcb: not too muhc. you can get away with less. always depends on partition layout and intended usage of machine |
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| 16:39.05 | ma3x | is obtaining a linux certificate really important step, say when you're looking for a new job. or shouldn't i care for certificates at all? |
| 16:39.11 | wols | e.g. mail is in /var, mysql databses, www files are too, etc |
| 16:39.12 | scummos | yehaa 8509 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1701.731 FPS |
| 16:39.16 | scummos | now that looks much better :) |
| 16:39.22 | kanobe | scummos: Nice!! |
| 16:39.27 | wols | scummos: what was the problem? |
| 16:39.30 | scummos | thank you very much for your help |
| 16:39.34 | lcb | wols, thanks friend. just making sure i'll avoid touching in the partitions on near future. |
| 16:39.39 | scummos | wols: apparently, there was some firmware stuff missing... |
| 16:39.54 | scummos | "apt-get install firmware-linux" solved it... i read about that somewhere in the release notes |
| 16:39.57 | wols | scummos: and where did you have to go to get the firmware stuff? |
| 16:40.05 | scummos | but for some reason i was thinking it wouldn't apply to my system |
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| 16:40.41 | themill | ,info firmware-linux --release squeeze |
| 16:40.41 | judd | firmware-linux (non-free/kernel): is optional; Version: 0.22; Size: 4.6k; Installed: 32k -- Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel |
| 16:40.43 | scummos | i think it's because of licensing stuff again, it was moved to nonfree or something like that |
| 16:40.43 | themill | wols: ^^ |
| 16:41.02 | scummos | :) |
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| 16:41.16 | kanobe | themill: Oh interesting. Didn't know that package |
| 16:41.19 | scummos | great :) now just missing mousewheel emulation for my thinkpad T42 touchpad :D |
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| 16:41.40 | chops1 | ma3x: Many years ago I obtained a Redhat Certified Engineer certification. It cost me a few hundred bucks, I had to travel to North Carolina and take a very easy test, and it's never done me a bit of good. |
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| 16:42.19 | kanobe | ma3x: I've heard that Solaris certs make a difference. |
| 16:42.28 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.45 | ma3x | kanobe: any idea about LPIC (lpi.org)? |
| 16:42.46 | wols | and that one actually tells me for what bullshit I need non.free firmware |
| 16:42.48 | themill | wols: yes |
| 16:42.54 | wols | wonder if newer radeons need the same |
| 16:43.00 | Ornedan | How does one disable an input device permanently? My T61 laptop's touchpad buttons are situated pretty inconveniently, so I've kept it off. First by using the Fn+F8 toggle, but an update half a year ago removed that option. Then by uninstalling xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, but even that's not enough anymore |
| 16:43.11 | kanobe | ma3x: Sorry, no idea. |
| 16:43.13 | wols | since you're here now, got a question: I want to dualboot my linux partition via Colinux and natively |
| 16:43.41 | wols | however that means I'd need a different fstab for starters, so I can boot at all. any suggestions how to handle the fstab for native boot and for colinux boot |
| 16:43.46 | ma3x | chops1: i see |
| 16:43.57 | wols | the colinux devicenames for disks are totally different frm the normal ones |
| 16:44.06 | kanobe | Ornedan: Not really sure. But you might be able to do something in xorg.conf to disable it. |
| 16:44.46 | kanobe | wols: Is fstab used when mounting the root partition, or does the kernel do that? |
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| 16:45.39 | kanobe | wols: Cause if it's the kernel, then maybe you could write an init script that detects the system type (Colinux or native) and rewrite fstab based on that. |
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| 16:45.45 | Ornedan | kanobe: Isn't xorg.conf totally ignored these days? |
| 16:45.56 | chops1 | wols: Can you use a static /dev on one or the other and make appropriately named devices by hand? |
| 16:46.01 | wols | kanobe: fstab does it. and it'S not just root partition. it'S the other ones too |
| 16:46.02 | kanobe | wols: Or rather just change the symbolic link that points to fstab |
| 16:46.09 | kanobe | wols: shoot. |
| 16:46.19 | Ornedan | xinput set-prop '"SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"' "Device Enabled" 0 <- this does work, but I have to use it after every boot / wake from hibernate which is not handy |
| 16:46.47 | Ornedan | Which is why the "permanently" specifier :P |
| 16:46.55 | kanobe | Ornedan: As far as I know xorg.conf is used. I used it recently to set up nvidia stuff. |
| 16:47.19 | kanobe | Ornedan: Yeha that's a little annoying. |
| 16:47.40 | Ornedan | Not for input stuff. At least, at the same time my trackpoint conf section in xorg.conf got ignored |
| 16:47.47 | kanobe | Ornedan: Although you could possibly put it in your .xsessionrc or something |
| 16:47.53 | Ornedan | I had to write an udev rule instead |
| 16:47.56 | wols | Ornedan: xorg.conf is not ignored. it'S optional, but if it'S there, it'S used |
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| 16:49.55 | Ornedan | wols: Somehow it got ignored anyway even though it existed |
| 16:50.46 | Ornedan | Anyway, presuming for a moment that it didn't get ignored, how would I specify in it to turn a specific input device off? |
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| 16:51.35 | Ornedan | In that just not listing the device in ServerLayout does not work |
| 16:52.36 | DEbiansqueeze | when upgrading from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 i was given an option to chain load grub 2 or write directly to mbr i chose chain load i see no chain load option im not to concerned.are there any reasons i need grub2. or can i just forget about it. |
| 16:52.41 | kanobe | Ornedan: Hmm, yeah it might not be possible. |
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| 16:54.54 | themill | Ornedan: if you're using squeeze, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide explains how to tell hal/udev not to tell xorg about the device. |
| 16:56.30 | xxiao | wols: just tried ntfsprogs 2.0.0(while disabled ntfs-3g), i can use ntfsmount to mount ntfs partition and read/write it just fine, looks like I don't need ntfs-3g? ntfs-3g is walking to the proprietary direction |
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| 16:57.49 | xxiao | Also, from ntfs-linux.org: The ntfs-3g driver is an obsolete fork of ntfsmount. Use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs-2.0.0 instead. |
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| 17:00.11 | jelly | obsolete? |
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| 17:01.49 | EliasAmaral | I am having problems with cdebootstrap 0.5.5, installed from the ubuntu repository. I am on Ubuntu 9.10 and I want to install Debian sid. My command line is cdebootstrap --arch i386 sid /mnt/debinst http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian. Should I ask for support in #ubuntu or here? |
| 17:01.58 | EliasAmaral | I have this strace http://pastie.org/809577 |
| 17:02.24 | EliasAmaral | I found "access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" interesting, and "_llseek(9, 0, 0xbf97b5fc, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek)" too |
| 17:02.53 | xxiao | looks like ntfs-3g and linux-ntfs do not like each other much |
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| 17:03.48 | xxiao | so on debian the final choice is yours, both ntfs-3g and linux-ntfs work fine, at least for me, on NTFS R/W usage |
| 17:04.26 | xxiao | both requires FUSE. while the in-kernel ntfs driver does not require FUSE, it is basically read-only |
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| 17:05.29 | EliasAmaral | '11 Aug 2008 ... This is because the libc6.preinst script creates the /etc/ld.so.nohwcap ONLY when being called with "upgrade" argument', i wonder if this applies to me.. |
| 17:05.38 | LuserN800 | EliasAmaral, try with -f option of strace to see the child processes, line 115 creates a process and your last line says it waits for it |
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| 17:06.34 | wish^ | How do i restart a process via ssh? |
| 17:06.35 | EliasAmaral | it is in a loop with [pid 6950] poll([{fd=5, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1) = 1 ([{fd=5, revents=POLLNVAL}]) |
| 17:07.07 | EliasAmaral | but maybe there are interesting messages before this |
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| 17:07.13 | LuserN800 | maybe a network problem |
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| 17:07.22 | EagleRock | wish^: /etc/init.d/<service> restart? |
| 17:07.28 | EliasAmaral | but, http://www.google.com.br/search?q=/etc/ld.so.nohwcap , LuserN800 |
| 17:07.47 | EliasAmaral | other people has this '/etc/ld.so.nohwcap missing' in debian (i am on ubuntu, so..) |
| 17:08.14 | wish^ | EagleRock: how do i view the current running processes? |
| 17:08.41 | EagleRock | wish^: ps -ef is good |
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| 17:09.32 | EliasAmaral | hmm.. "It's perfectly normal for a perfectly working system to not have that file, and to have "failed" attempts to access it in a strace:" |
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| 17:09.33 | EliasAmaral | .-. |
| 17:09.44 | wish^ | ok EagleRock, it asks me for a password |
| 17:09.51 | wish^ | is that the root password? |
| 17:10.56 | wish^ | Permission denied |
| 17:11.20 | EagleRock | wish^: yes, you need to be root to restart processes |
| 17:11.32 | themill | EliasAmaral: you haven't actually told us what the problem is. |
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| 17:12.26 | leg | I want to be able to take this as input http://pastebin.com/m720bcc60 (as a txt file) take Hans and Grietje and place them in 2 different text files |
| 17:12.31 | leg | in a predefined line and character |
| 17:12.36 | leg | how can I do this? |
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| 17:13.30 | wish^ | ty EagleRock |
| 17:13.34 | EliasAmaral | the problem is: i run this command, cdebootstrap --arch i386 sid /mnt/debinst http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian, and it prints 'P: Retrieving Release', and does nothing. (it is not downloading anything actually, and if i wait hours it will not finish..). if i change to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian or even http://www.google.com it doesn't seem to care |
| 17:14.04 | EliasAmaral | i have tested my connection with ftp.br.debian.org, it's very fast |
| 17:14.40 | wish^ | SCREEN -dm -S it says this infront of the process cmd.. whats that mean? |
| 17:16.05 | EliasAmaral | i am running with --debug .. |
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| 17:17.30 | chops1 | EliasAmaral: Tried running under strace? That should show you what's hanging |
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| 17:20.32 | schmack | how can i install gnome with apt-get full packate? |
| 17:20.35 | schmack | what is the package name |
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| 17:21.28 | xxiao | EliasAmaral: I would try debootstrap instead |
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| 17:22.09 | phiwer | schmack, gnome |
| 17:22.11 | leg | how can I take input from a text file and replace words from another text file with this? |
| 17:22.16 | EliasAmaral | xxiao, well, i did the lazy thing, searched the ubuntu repos.. there is just cdebootstrap. |
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| 17:22.35 | schmack | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 17:22.35 | schmack | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.35 | schmack | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.35 | schmack | e1z0: Broken packages |
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| 17:22.45 | EliasAmaral | http://pastie.org/809609 with --debug. outside this context it downloads fast, http://pastie.org/809612 |
| 17:22.45 | schmack | sry |
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| 17:22.48 | chops1 | leg: What's the other text file look like? |
| 17:23.07 | EliasAmaral | i will download debootstrap instead.. .-. |
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| 17:23.17 | phiwer | schmack, not sure which version you're using. I'm on stable here. |
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| 17:23.37 | becks` | hi, can i use the same public key for multiple machines? |
| 17:23.37 | schmack | aptitude i need i think |
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| 17:23.41 | schmack | something is broken |
| 17:23.46 | schmack | lenny 5.0.4 stable |
| 17:23.55 | phiwer | schmack, that's odd. |
| 17:24.04 | schmack | what is a odd |
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| 17:24.24 | EliasAmaral | that's unusual, strange |
| 17:24.27 | xxiao | EliasAmaral: strange, my ubuntu has debootstrap |
| 17:24.30 | themill | EliasAmaral: ftp.br is on a dns roundrobin and perhaps one of the machines is unavailable atm. |
| 17:24.53 | leg | chops1 its a .sh file actually |
| 17:25.01 | chops1 | leg: Can you pastebin it? |
| 17:25.02 | xxiao | EliasAmaral: also, to get sid, you may need use the newest debootstrap package instead of the one from the repo |
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| 17:25.11 | EliasAmaral | i tried ftp.us also |
| 17:26.00 | km | anyone familar with os/400? |
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| 17:26.25 | themill | EliasAmaral: I'm seeing that step fail about 50% of the time with the br mirror and is fine with the us and uk mirrors. I'd just blame the mirror :) |
| 17:26.26 | smacnay | I am trying to use rdiff-backup to back up a Windows share on the lan. I am not sure how to pass on "include" and "exclude" statements with directories with spaces in the names ("My Pictures" for example). Anyone know if this is accomplished by the "\" escape character? |
| 17:26.48 | smacnay | I have not had much luck. |
| 17:26.52 | EliasAmaral | Okay, I am using debootstrap now.. it downloaded Release, seems to be a good thing |
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| 17:27.09 | leg | chops1 no I cant |
| 17:27.10 | EliasAmaral | it will not work xxiao? |
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| 17:27.19 | leg | but it want to control where it should replacef |
| 17:27.20 | EliasAmaral | debootstrap 1.0.20 |
| 17:27.24 | leg | for instance line 2 character 8 |
| 17:27.40 | wols | smacnay: it should be. at least then the shell will hand over the space to rdiff-backup |
| 17:28.24 | themill | EliasAmaral: deboostrapping straight to sid often doesn't work anyway. Frequently, you need to install testing first. /msg dpkg install sid |
| 17:28.41 | EliasAmaral | ok ^^ |
| 17:28.54 | xxiao | EliasAmaral: just tried cdeboostrap on 8.04, quits immediately. debootstrap works perfectly |
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| 17:29.38 | EliasAmaral | i am wondering. should I report this as a bug to cdebootstrap? what is cdebootstrap actually? hmm.. debootstrap implemented in C? but why, to work better with busybox/non-gnu utilities? |
| 17:29.49 | chops1 | leg: You can say: for x in `awk '{print $2;}' < names`; do sed s/THE_NAME/$x/g input.sh > output.$x.sh; done |
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| 17:30.26 | EliasAmaral | i actually found it odd to have some shell scripts embedded in a compiled binary.. maybe they didn't ported the _entire_ debootstrap to c |
| 17:30.26 | chops1 | leg: If "names" is what you pasted before, and input.sh is the script (with THE_NAME written where you want the names to go), then that'll create scripts output.Hans.sh for each name |
| 17:30.51 | leg | hm |
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| 17:32.35 | penguin | What is the Linux command to compare two directorys? |
| 17:32.50 | chops1 | penguin: In general, diff -r |
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| 17:33.22 | EliasAmaral | there are regular chromium builds for debian? |
| 17:34.22 | EliasAmaral | ps: ok, dpkg convinced me to install testing :P |
| 17:34.31 | themill | hehe |
| 17:34.38 | themill | persuasive bot, that one |
| 17:34.46 | chops1 | EliasAmaral: Looks like there's an ITP but no Debian-provided package yet |
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| 17:35.23 | Brack10 | Hiya |
| 17:35.43 | EliasAmaral | itp is something like the ubuntu ppa? |
| 17:35.48 | Brack10 | I'm trying to install Lenny from a USB stick. It's complaining about not being able to find the cd-rom. Do I HAVE to use a cd? |
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| 17:36.09 | EliasAmaral | hm, seems to be more like a wishlist |
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| 17:36.26 | EliasAmaral | or 'todo' |
| 17:36.41 | chops1 | EliasAmaral: No, ITP means someone is intending to package it. Whether that actually translates into packaging it and on what timetable is a bit variable. |
| 17:36.45 | smacnay | wols, maybe the issued is rdiff-backup - I believe it is a python script and I don't know much about python and how it handles spaces. |
| 17:37.05 | smacnay | wols, I will try some other options... |
| 17:37.07 | wols | smacnay: if it's inside a string, it should handle it fine |
| 17:37.11 | smacnay | wols, thanks |
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| 17:37.38 | smacnay | wols, my issue is having 3 different backups of 15 Gig of photos. 2 should be sufficient. |
| 17:37.48 | penguin | What is the command to copy one hard drive to another? |
| 17:38.19 | peterrooney | penguin: dd can do that |
| 17:38.30 | penguin | how? |
| 17:39.28 | chops1 | penguin: dd is if you want to copy a partition/filesystem exactly. Is that what you want (exact same size of disk and all), or are you looking to copy the file contents? |
| 17:39.30 | peterrooney | penguin: dd if=/original/drive of=/duplicate/drive |
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| 17:40.15 | EliasAmaral | ubuntu has a daily build. couldn't debian adapt the ubuntu package to have daily build too? or that package is too ubuntu-specific? (i don't see the need to duplicate efforts here) |
| 17:40.17 | peterrooney | penguin: warning: that's only fine if both drives are identical in size |
| 17:40.47 | chops1 | EliasAmaral: It looks like there's some commonality between the efforts. The last holdup was some question about licensing, but as of 29 Jan it looks like it's on its way into the queue. |
| 17:41.00 | penguin | I have a hosed windows computer with file system intact |
| 17:41.17 | penguin | I want to copy the whole thing to an external HDD using knoppix. |
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| 17:41.36 | chops1 | penguin: So that you can recover your files, or do you ever want to try to boot into the hosed installation? |
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| 17:41.46 | penguin | recover files |
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| 17:41.57 | chops1 | penguin: I would use cp -a then |
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| 17:42.27 | penguin | cp -a /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1????? |
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| 17:42.53 | chops1 | penguin: No, mount them both first :-) |
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| 17:42.57 | penguin | safer to mount first? |
| 17:43.11 | chops1 | penguin: You can use dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sdb1 if they're both the same size |
| 17:43.20 | jhutchins_lt | I would use rsync -av --progress /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb1 myself, but that's mostly just habit. |
| 17:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | I would NOT use dd. |
| 17:43.30 | penguin | I want to be very careful about writing to the internal hdd. That is what worries me the most. |
| 17:43.34 | chops1 | penguin: That copies the filesystem exactly |
| 17:43.44 | jhutchins_lt | penguin: Mouhnt the internal read-only. |
| 17:43.49 | chops1 | penguin: Yah, makes sense. dd if safe; it won't modify /dev/sda2 under any circumstances. |
| 17:43.54 | chops1 | *dd is safe |
| 17:44.00 | jhutchins_lt | dd is far from safe. |
| 17:44.16 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: In what sense? |
| 17:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | dd just duplicates blocks, it doesn't do any integrity checking, doesn't recover gracefully from space problems, etc. |
| 17:44.56 | penguin | HOw to check for space? |
| 17:44.57 | berbz | ^^ |
| 17:45.01 | jhutchins_lt | rsync is nice if you need to stop and or recover. |
| 17:45.02 | berbz | um df |
| 17:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | penguin: Yeah, df -h |
| 17:45.20 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
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| 17:46.06 | chops1 | penguin: You can check for space just by looking at the partition sizes via fdisk. Not that of course everything on /dev/sdb1 right now will be destroyed. |
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| 17:46.12 | jhutchins_lt | The real advantage of rsync though is when you're doing multiple copies so you can skip stuff that hasn't changed, so cp -a is probably adequate. |
| 17:46.32 | EliasAmaral | ravenbird, was it a joke? |
| 17:46.37 | ravenbird | EliasAmaral: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:46.44 | jhutchins_lt | that is another point, dd will overwrite everything, wherase cp and rsync won't. |
| 17:46.59 | EliasAmaral | ravenbird looks like a bot XD |
| 17:47.00 | ravenbird | EliasAmaral: are you using Windows? |
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| 17:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | ravenbird: are you a bot? |
| 17:47.08 | ravenbird | No, of course I ain't no bot! |
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| 17:47.30 | kanobe | ravenbird: are you a bot? |
| 17:47.33 | ravenbird | No, of course I ain't no bot! |
| 17:47.36 | kanobe | hahaha |
| 17:47.37 | zzt | i am a bot |
| 17:47.53 | ridoo | hey guys, my audio volume is very quite in my lenny system. i remember that one could tweak a bit in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file but I cannot find a reference. can anyone please give me a hand on this? |
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| 17:48.04 | ice799 | Hi. Anyone on a debian etch system? |
| 17:48.09 | zzt | ridoo: alsamixer |
| 17:48.15 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: It sounds like he's said that he would prefer not to mount the old drive, because he knows it's damaged and wants to get data off it specifically without any verification |
| 17:48.24 | chops1 | ice799: Yes, several people. Ask your real question. |
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| 17:48.30 | ice799 | If so, I have a favor to ask: any chance a debian etch user can look up which package has mount.nfs ? |
| 17:48.36 | DuClare | ice799: No, on #debian we run Redhat |
| 17:48.48 | wols | ice799: packages.debian.org |
| 17:48.51 | __klamath__ | anyone expert with gnome ? |
| 17:48.55 | ice799 | wols: Too painful to use. |
| 17:48.57 | ridoo | zzt, in my alsamixer the maste is at maximum |
| 17:49.02 | wols | ice799: I call BS |
| 17:49.14 | chops1 | ice799: Too lazy to help you, then. "It's too hard, someone do it for me." |
| 17:49.15 | zzt | ridoo: what about PCM |
| 17:49.27 | wols | ice799: enter "mount.nts" in the appropriate entry field and press "search". done |
| 17:49.31 | berbz | Yep looking up packages is insanely difficult |
| 17:49.39 | chops1 | __klamath__: Yes, several people. Ask your real question. |
| 17:49.40 | ridoo | zzt, it's near the red mark |
| 17:49.41 | DuClare | __klamath__: Do you have a problem? |
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| 17:49.47 | ice799 | looks like everyone is cranky this morning. |
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| 17:49.52 | zzt | ridoo: well you want that one to be in the green |
| 17:49.52 | ridoo | does it matter if is in the red section zzt ? |
| 17:49.58 | zzt | ridoo: but thats not the problem |
| 17:50.06 | zzt | ridoo: mess around with the other levels |
| 17:50.08 | __klamath__ | installed debian squeeze, entered in gnome, but windows has no borders, and are all top left |
| 17:50.16 | __klamath__ | impossible to work |
| 17:50.22 | __klamath__ | tryed with gnome apparence, but there are no options to set borders |
| 17:50.25 | wols | __klamath__: how did you install gnome? |
| 17:50.27 | ice799 | NO RESULTS. |
| 17:50.30 | ice799 | That's why I asked. |
| 17:50.38 | chops1 | __klamath__: Sounds like maybe you have no window manager running? |
| 17:50.42 | zzt | ridoo: well if its in the red it will be too loud and distort the signal |
| 17:50.47 | ice799 | Clearly mount.nfs doesn't just come about magically. It has to come from somewhere. |
| 17:50.52 | zzt | ridoo: but in your case its probably some other level thats not turned up |
| 17:50.54 | __klamath__ | wols: it's the debian default |
| 17:50.54 | ice799 | I'm on Lenny so I can't check myself. |
| 17:51.01 | ice799 | Hence why I asked for a favor from some one on etch. |
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| 17:51.12 | ice799 | I need to know which package on *etch* mount.nfs comes from. |
| 17:51.13 | wols | ice799: BULLSHIT again. all i did was enter "mount.nfs" into the 2nd entry field and press search. instant result |
| 17:51.19 | ridoo | zzt, ok .. I'll give it a try .. looks good |
| 17:51.20 | __klamath__ | chops1: you mean composite manager ? |
| 17:51.21 | ice799 | wols: Switch to OLDSTABLE |
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| 17:51.37 | ice799 | wols: Like I *just* said I need this information about ETCH *not* Lenny. |
| 17:51.43 | ice799 | wols: On Lenny, sure its in nfs-common. |
| 17:51.49 | ice799 | wols: When I search etch i get NOTHING. |
| 17:51.50 | wols | ice799: there is no mount.nfs in etch. you have installed it from non debian sources |
| 17:51.58 | wols | or mount.nfs was named differently before |
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| 17:52.11 | ice799 | wols: I don't even have etch so there is no way I installed anything on etch from anywhere. |
| 17:52.33 | ice799 | The REAL problem is: mount.nfs on Lenny is broken. According to the debian bug tracker it used to work on Etch. |
| 17:52.33 | chops1 | __klamath__: No, I mean window manager. |
| 17:52.38 | ice799 | As a result, I want the etch version. |
| 17:52.57 | __klamath__ | chops1: but I have gnome ? I'm wrong ? |
| 17:53.23 | kanobe | __klamath__: Gnome consists of a number of different components, one of which is the window manager. |
| 17:53.26 | __klamath__ | chops1: ops it is a desktop manager |
| 17:53.39 | chops1 | __klamath__: gnome is different from a window manager (such as sawfish). It sounds like you're missing a window manager, though I could be mistaken. How did you install gnome and how are you starting it? |
| 17:53.44 | ice799 | No one knows? |
| 17:53.59 | __klamath__ | kanobe: I've installed metacity, should it start at gnome starts ? |
| 17:54.03 | wols | ice799: there is no mount.nfs in etch. ALL, every single file in deb archives is searchable via pdo. all of it. if there is no mount.nfs shown there, it is not in etch |
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| 17:54.07 | kanobe | __klamath__: You could try running metacity& from a terminal |
| 17:54.16 | wols | ice799: how do you know there is a mount.nfs in etch? |
| 17:54.17 | klync | ice799: i'm running etch. fwiw, i ran this... |
| 17:54.18 | klync | dpkg-query -S mount.nfs |
| 17:54.18 | klync | dpkg: *mount.nfs* not found. |
| 17:54.18 | dpkg | klync: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:54.25 | kanobe | __klamath__: Yeah it should. But it's not for some reason apparently ;) |
| 17:54.29 | klync | not you, dpkg ... |
| 17:54.29 | ice799 | klync: Thanks. |
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| 17:54.38 | ice799 | OK so then what backend does mount use on etch for NFS shares? |
| 17:54.39 | kanobe | __klamath__: Maybe running it from the termnial would print any errors |
| 17:54.47 | ice799 | Again, I am askin gbecause the backend (mount.nfs) on Lenny is broken. |
| 17:54.53 | ice799 | Bug reports are saying the old one from etch works. |
| 17:55.00 | __klamath__ | chops1: it's the original debian installation |
| 17:55.11 | themill | ice799: nfs in etch was handled by util-linux. |
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| 17:55.47 | __klamath__ | kanobe: ok, now I'm in e17, I try, but how can I set metacity to automatically start with gnome ? |
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| 17:55.59 | ice799 | themill: Thanks. I'll try there. |
| 17:56.19 | ice799 | wols: See? No reason to be an ass. I had a legitmate question, which was actually turning up no results. |
| 17:56.19 | klync | ice799: also fwiw, the box i ran that on is my nfs4 server, also has the client pkgs installed, and there is no "mount.nfs" in my path |
| 17:56.26 | kanobe | __klamath__: e17? |
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| 17:56.34 | ice799 | klync: Interesting. I wonder what mount was using for its nfs backend, then. |
| 17:56.36 | ice799 | Hrm. |
| 17:56.40 | __klamath__ | kanobe: enlightenment |
| 17:57.03 | ice799 | themill: http://packages.debian.org/etch/amd64/util-linux/filelist :C |
| 17:57.03 | EliasAmaral | there is no reason to call people ass either |
| 17:57.13 | ice799 | themill: nothing NFS related there. |
| 17:57.23 | kanobe | __klamath__: Hmm, so metacity didn't start but e17 did? |
| 17:57.24 | ice799 | Arg. Lenny is such a pain. |
| 17:57.28 | chops1 | ice799: He's not being an ass. You asked a question which you could easily answer for yourself and said that the right way to answer it was "painful" because it was giving you a correct answer you didn't understand. |
| 17:57.41 | ice799 | chops1: No. |
| 17:57.45 | ice799 | The problem is that Lenny is broken. |
| 17:57.52 | ice799 | If lenny wasn't broken, I wouldn't be asking this question to begin with. |
| 17:57.56 | themill | ice799: you were being a pratt. You're lucky anyone tried to help you at all |
| 17:58.00 | __klamath__ | kanobe: e17 don't uses metacity |
| 17:58.22 | chops1 | ice799: I have work to do and I'm not continuing this conversation with you. My advice is calm down a bit when you're asking people for help. |
| 17:58.38 | ice799 | chops1: There is no conversation, dude. Lenny is busted. It is that simple. |
| 17:58.39 | kanobe | __klamath__: no it doesn't. But you said that all the windows had no border and were in the top left... so it sounded like you had no wm running. But you say you're running e17, which is a wm... |
| 17:58.39 | themill | ice799: you've also not told us what bug it is you're talking about. A bug number would be handy. |
| 17:58.48 | ice799 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504410 |
| 17:58.48 | EliasAmaral | # debootstrap --arch i386 testing /mnt/debinst http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian: E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/testing |
| 17:58.51 | klync | ice799: the manpage says it's built in |
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| 17:59.21 | kanobe | __klamath__: So if e17 is running, and you have no borders, it might be you need to config e17. |
| 17:59.21 | EliasAmaral | .-. options here: breezy edgy etch-m68k gutsy hoary intrepid karmic lucid sarge sarge.fakechroot squeeze warty.buildd woody.buildd dapper etch feisty hardy hoary.buildd jaunty lenny potato sarge.buildd sid warty woody |
| 17:59.31 | __klamath__ | kanobe: aamhh, I think enlightenment is like gnome, a desktop manager |
| 17:59.31 | klync | ice799: i.e. man mount, under the "-t vfstype" option |
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| 18:00.08 | kanobe | __klamath__: According to apt-cache it's a wm: enlightenment - The Enlightenment Window Manager |
| 18:00.29 | kanobe | __klamath__: Maybe you need to install a theme for e17? |
| 18:00.31 | __klamath__ | kanobe: no, e17 works great alone, its like gnome |
| 18:00.32 | ice799 | klync: Yeah. It looks like the problem is that mount on lenny was changed to use this mount.nfs backend |
| 18:00.36 | klync | ice799: so, maybe the pkg under lenny was built with the wrong ./configure options .... my wild guess |
| 18:00.39 | klync | aah |
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| 18:00.51 | kanobe | __klamath__: Oh, I see. You logged out of gnome, and are in e17 now. |
| 18:00.54 | __klamath__ | kanobe: at login I can choose gnome or e17 |
| 18:00.55 | ice799 | klync: whereas on etch it just calls the mount system call. |
| 18:01.04 | ice799 | klync: from the mount binary itself. |
| 18:01.06 | reeeeeesty | how can you boot Linux if you didnt install grub on the mbr? |
| 18:01.10 | ice799 | I guess I can install a second mount binary |
| 18:01.12 | __klamath__ | kanobe: yes, correct |
| 18:01.41 | kanobe | __klamath__: Hmm... |
| 18:01.44 | __klamath__ | kanobe: ok, try to logout and login in gnome, and try to start metacity |
| 18:01.49 | EliasAmaral | It's nicer to install lenny + dist-upgrade testing + possibly dist-upgrade sid, or just sid? |
| 18:01.59 | klync | ice799: have you checked the bugs db? i find it hard to imagine nobody noticed that nfs client was broken under lenny until now |
| 18:02.07 | ice799 | klync: Its in the bugs db. |
| 18:02.08 | __klamath__ | kanobe: hoping it does start |
| 18:02.11 | klync | :/ |
| 18:02.13 | ice799 | klync: Some one noticed it. No one fixed it. |
| 18:02.18 | kanobe | __klamath__: ;) |
| 18:02.28 | __klamath__ | kanobe: ;) |
| 18:02.34 | ice799 | klync: bug 504410 |
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| 18:03.04 | McManiaC | hey, are there any known tools (maybe dhclient or sth) that overwrite /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:04.00 | chops1 | McManiaC: I should certainly hope not |
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| 18:04.51 | kanobe | McManiaC: I guess you mean a frontend for configuring it? |
| 18:05.01 | McManiaC | nope |
| 18:05.15 | kanobe | McManiaC: Oh. Like, you mean you lost the contents of it? |
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| 18:05.37 | McManiaC | I'm working on a debian machine and everytime I restart my /etc/network/interfaces is empty (only "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback" in it) |
| 18:05.38 | themill | ice799: wanting to run two separate nfs servers on the one machine isn't exactly a common thing to try to do. That puts it pretty low down the priority list for fixing it. Even the reporter doesn't care any more and didn't reply about whether the new version fixed the problem or not. |
| 18:06.10 | kanobe | McManiaC: Wierd.... |
| 18:06.12 | ice799 | themill: I'm not running two NFS servers. |
| 18:06.22 | chops1 | McManiaC: Check the timestamp and try to line it up with what happens in the boot log. Definitely there's nothing in the boot process that should overwrite interfaces. |
| 18:06.25 | kanobe | McManiaC: Is it a link to something else? |
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| 18:06.31 | chops1 | McManiaC: ls -l --full-time |
| 18:06.34 | ice799 | themill: "To access the not registered one you could specify options port=number,mountport=number. This does not work on sid." |
| 18:06.38 | ice799 | themill: That's what I'm trying to do. |
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| 18:06.51 | themill | ice799: umm... that's what portmapper is for |
| 18:06.57 | McManiaC | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 230 2010-02-04 18:01:11.355319505 +0000 interfaces |
| 18:06.58 | ice799 | themill: Sigh. |
| 18:07.01 | ice799 | I don't want to run portmapper. |
| 18:07.05 | ice799 | Thats why those options exist. |
| 18:07.13 | ice799 | So you can tell mount which ports to use, so it doesnt need portmapper. |
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| 18:07.18 | __klamath__ | kanobe: it worked |
| 18:07.24 | ice799 | Those options SITLL exist in lenny, they just don't work. |
| 18:07.25 | __klamath__ | :) |
| 18:07.26 | mugwort13 | Hi all, quick opinion/experience based question ... is there any real advantage to running 64bit on a server as opposed to 32bit? (services used will be samba,apache2,mysql,php,rdiff-backup) |
| 18:07.27 | EliasAmaral | kanobe, where is the boot log? |
| 18:07.33 | themill | ice799: no, those options *don't* exist because you can' just run portmapper.... this is going to get circular |
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| 18:07.46 | chops1 | McManiaC: Without being able to look at your boot log, that doesn't tell me much :-) |
| 18:07.49 | ice799 | themill: Those options DO exist, dude. |
| 18:07.58 | ice799 | themill: I read the source for mount.nfs on Lenny. |
| 18:08.12 | kanobe | EliasAmaral: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| 18:08.33 | ice799 | themill: The values you pass in to mount.nfs store the ports you pass through. It just does nothing with them when it attempts to connect to the NFS server. |
| 18:08.42 | cahoot | !tell EliasAmaral -about bootlog |
| 18:08.49 | ice799 | themill: That bug is saying that in etch, those options worked. |
| 18:08.59 | themill | ice799: umm.. man mount.nfs in lenny doesn't list those as being valid options. |
| 18:09.03 | kanobe | !tell kanobe -about bootlog |
| 18:09.19 | EliasAmaral | !tell McManiaC -about bootlog |
| 18:09.32 | ice799 | themill: umm... man mount.nfs on lenny doesn't list any of the -o flags at all. |
| 18:09.44 | ice799 | themill: do you see anything about hard, intr, or soft in there? because in my man page I don't. |
| 18:09.49 | ice799 | themill: and surely those options exist. |
| 18:09.50 | themill | ice799: right... so you telling me that they're listed in mount.nfs in lenny isn't useful |
| 18:10.08 | themill | ice799: "they do exist" "I read the source for mount.nfs on Lenny." ... |
| 18:10.13 | ice799 | themill: No, I'm telling you that the man page doesn't enumerate all possible options. |
| 18:10.19 | ice799 | themill: The source code enumerates all possible options. |
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| 18:11.14 | ice799 | themill: If I asked you if the mount option 'hard' was meaningful to mount.nfs, what would you say? |
| 18:11.30 | ice799 | themill: It isn't listed in the man page for mount.nfs. It *is* a valid option that actually works. |
| 18:11.55 | ice799 | themill: I'm not arguing that there may be a bug in the documentation, too. |
| 18:11.56 | themill | ice799: weren't you complaining that it didn't work? |
| 18:12.06 | ice799 | no, 'hard' works. |
| 18:12.12 | ice799 | 'mountport' and 'port' do not. |
| 18:12.32 | ice799 | Either way, my point is that the man pages for mount.nfs on my lenny system says *nothing* about *any* of the options you can pass to it. |
| 18:12.46 | ice799 | So either the writer left that information out on purpose, or by accident. |
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| 18:12.59 | themill | makes ice799 read the man page again |
| 18:13.10 | ice799 | I'll do you one better. |
| 18:13.14 | ice799 | I'll pastie you my man page. |
| 18:13.43 | themill | ice799: the man page explicitly tells you where the nfsoptions are defined. |
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| 18:14.17 | ice799 | themill: Ok, you are getting closer now. |
| 18:14.26 | ice799 | themill: now, please read man 5 nfs. |
| 18:14.34 | ice799 | themill: Search for mountport. |
| 18:14.36 | ice799 | It is listed. |
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| 18:14.40 | ice799 | It doesn't work. |
| 18:14.43 | ice799 | That's a bug. |
| 18:14.44 | themill | hehe I was hoping you weren't going to mention that :) |
| 18:15.20 | ice799 | I need that option because of the EXACT thing it says |
| 18:15.20 | ice799 | "This option can be used when mounting an NFS server through a firewall that blocks the rpcbind protocol." |
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| 18:15.20 | ice799 | That is EXACTLY why I need it. |
| 18:15.35 | ice799 | Anwyay, I think the point is that it is broken on Lenny. |
| 18:15.45 | ice799 | I guess I just need the mount binary from etch and I should be OK. |
| 18:16.11 | ice799 | I tried to search pacakges.debian for mount on etch and it got too many results so the list got truncated before I found what I needed. |
| 18:16.30 | chops1 | ice799: I would not advise installing the mount binary from etch on lenny |
| 18:16.43 | ice799 | chops1: Its OK. I'm not scared. |
| 18:16.49 | ice799 | chops1: Plus, I'll install it somewhere special. |
| 18:17.33 | ice799 | How can I find out which package that binary lives in on etch? packages.debian will not show me because there are too many results. |
| 18:17.44 | ice799 | If i had an etch system, I would just apt-file. |
| 18:17.48 | ice799 | But I only have access to a Lenny system. |
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| 18:18.20 | abrotman | ice799: which file? |
| 18:18.30 | ice799 | abrotman: /sbin/mount |
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| 18:19.19 | abrotman | ice799: the package is likely the same |
| 18:19.44 | abrotman | ice799: you mean /bin/mount ? |
| 18:20.12 | ice799 | Could be. On Lenny its /sbin/mount. No clue where it lived on Etch. |
| 18:21.08 | abrotman | on lenny it's /bin/mount also |
| 18:21.23 | themill | funnily enough, in the "mount" package. |
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| 18:21.24 | abrotman | there is a /sbin/mount.nfs in lenny |
| 18:21.39 | ice799 | abrotman: mount.nfs doesnt exist on etch, sadly. |
| 18:21.53 | abrotman | ice799: say what you mean .. don't make me guess at the crap you're omitting |
| 18:22.12 | themill | makes abrotman read all the scrollback |
| 18:22.28 | ice799 | abrotman: Summary: there is a bug in mount.nfs on lenny. It worked on etch. |
| 18:22.43 | ice799 | abrotman: Etch didn't have a mount.nfs, it just handled nfs mounting via the mount binary directly. |
| 18:23.06 | ice799 | abrotman: I need the broken feature to work, so I'm going to try using a mount binary from etch installed in a special place. |
| 18:23.23 | themill | ice799: s/big/little/. I mean seriously... I know it affects you badly, but it doesn't affect most users at all |
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| 18:23.41 | scummos | hi... i'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/d73843068 and my touchpad doesn't work as i want it to (scroll etc.). any ideas what might be wrong? |
| 18:24.54 | ice799 | themill: True. |
| 18:25.22 | ice799 | themill: It's just painful because like it took me a long time to get people to understand what the problem is. Most people just assume I have no idea what I'm talking about. Describing the problem is long winded and difficult to do. |
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| 18:25.41 | themill | ice799: looking at the nfs-common source, you might be able to recompile it to specify a custom port. Having said that, the source is littered with things to cope with mountport options that you say is not working... |
| 18:26.13 | ice799 | themill: Yeah. I read the source last night. |
| 18:26.27 | ice799 | themill: I will probably patch it later today if using etch's binary doesn't work. |
| 18:26.50 | themill | ice799: I'd give up on the etch route and just fix the source so that it then gets fixed upstream... |
| 18:26.54 | ice799 | themill: the problem with building it is that none of the build-deps for that package on lenny come with .pc files |
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| 18:27.09 | ice799 | themill: so I have to fix all my env variables to point to the libraries because pkg-config doesn't see them. |
| 18:27.10 | abrotman | themill: if he's asking how to find /sbin/mount .. i'll assume that's what he's really after |
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| 18:27.30 | ice799 | themill: I also need to guess what the CFLAGS may have been, because, again, no .pc files for the build-deps for it. |
| 18:27.50 | ice799 | I got it to build last night though using educated guesses for CFLAGS et al. |
| 18:27.52 | themill | ice799: umm.. no guessing required. /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 18:28.05 | chops1 | ice799: I said I wasn't going to participate, but... I think most people understood what the problem was pretty quickly once you started explaining what the problem was (instead of complaining about p.d.o or just saying "lenny is broken" or "mount.nfs is broken"). I would really recommend reading the scrollback and seeing what the first point was at which you explained what the actual problem was. |
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| 18:28.44 | zorton | during purge I would like the package not to rm it's dirs listed in the "dirs" file. How should I acomplish this? touch some files in postinst in the dirs thereby making them non-empty? |
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| 18:29.26 | ice799 | themill: Tried it. dpkg bot doesn't know. |
| 18:29.28 | chops1 | ice799: I can only speak for myself, but by that point I'd really stopped caring about whether things were working for you or not. We're all volunteers, and if you come in irritating people and not explaining yourself it'll be pretty rare that they'll help you. |
| 18:29.44 | ice799 | chops1: Never said you *had* to help me. |
| 18:29.45 | themill | dpkg: tell ice799 about package recompile |
| 18:29.50 | scummos | any ideas for me? :p |
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| 18:30.12 | ice799 | themill: I did all that. |
| 18:30.14 | themill | ice799: chops1 makes a good point. It shouldn't have taken 20 minutes get a bug number and error message out of you. |
| 18:30.28 | ice799 | themill: The problem is that build-dep is broken, too. |
| 18:30.36 | themill | ice799: eh? |
| 18:30.37 | ice799 | None of the .pc files are part of the pacakges that build-dep pulls in. |
| 18:30.57 | ice799 | So pkg-config doesn't know about the libraries and compile flags, so dpkg-buildpackage doesn't know either. |
| 18:31.22 | cheako | Hello, I have a VLAN tc-qdisc question. I have tagged and untagged traffic over the same physical port, I'm like to apply traffic shaping to just the untagged traffic. |
| 18:31.44 | ice799 | themill: Anyways, its all good. I was able to guess what the flags probably are. I got it to build, so that's good enough. |
| 18:32.00 | ice799 | themill: Too many bug reports to file as a result of this process, not enough time to do them all. |
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| 18:33.51 | themill | ice799: umm... you *really* need to read what dpkg told you properly. "apt-get build-dep nfs-common; apt-get source -b nfs-common" works just fine to recompile the package. Omit the -b to fiddle with the source in between. |
| 18:34.02 | ice799 | Yeah what I'm saying is |
| 18:34.05 | ice799 | That didn't work for me. |
| 18:34.15 | themill | ice799: then you're doing something wrong.... |
| 18:34.32 | chops1 | themill: Have fun trying to get him to say what it is over the next 15 minutes :-) |
| 18:34.46 | ice799 | Hah |
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| 18:35.04 | themill | chops1: I'm not bothering to ask for an error message... And I'm bored with ranting about .pc files. |
| 18:35.35 | ice799 | The error message is what you'd expect. pkg-config can't find the build-deps. |
| 18:35.44 | ice799 | The reason it cant find is because the packages lack .pc files. |
| 18:35.46 | ice799 | end of story. |
| 18:35.53 | ice799 | like I said, it doesn't matter. |
| 18:35.56 | ice799 | I got it to build. |
| 18:35.58 | themill | *shrug* wfm |
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| 18:40.32 | aucabarcas | hi, i have googled around before asking this simple -though annoying to me- question: my host reaches a LAN through a dhcp router. I need to monitor some devices in the LAN and they use static IP's (they are wireless bridges and its IP is for managing purposes only) I don't know why this config file in network/interfaces (http://paste.debian.net/58727/) doesn't work if in the same system it was okay. the only difference is in the fact that the curren |
| 18:41.45 | abrotman | aucabarcas: having two gateways isn't a great plan |
| 18:41.46 | chops1 | aucabarcas: You shouldn't have multiple interfaces with gateways on the same machine |
| 18:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | chops1: That's called routing, prefectly legit. |
| 18:44.30 | chops1 | jhutchins_lt: Not that way it isn't. |
| 18:44.32 | aucabarcas | abrotman, chops1: thanks, i've tried without gateways with the same result. |
| 18:44.54 | chops1 | aucabarcas: What's the result? What doesn't work and how does it malfunction? |
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| 18:46.44 | abrotman | aucabarcas: you sohuld have one at least |
| 18:46.45 | keith4 | is eth0:0 not equivalent to eth0? |
| 18:46.52 | abrotman | no |
| 18:47.35 | chops1 | abrotman: He almost certainly has one from the DHCP interface |
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| 18:49.11 | aucabarcas | chops1: the dhcp router gives me GW; i need to ping some wireless devices in the LAN, they have static IP's, when i ping them (with or without the virtual ifaces gateways) the answer stands for: destination host unreachable. |
| 18:49.21 | abrotman | chops1: perhaps .. |
| 18:49.32 | abrotman | aucabarcas: ping by IP or name ? |
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| 18:49.41 | chops1 | What are their IPs? Can you pastebin your route -n and ipconfig? |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | ifconfig ? |
| 18:49.55 | abrotman | windows users .. jeez .. |
| 18:49.57 | aucabarcas | abrotman: IP. |
| 18:49.58 | chops1 | abrotman: Er, yes, ifconfig |
| 18:50.55 | chops1 | abrotman: Trust me on this -- I don't like it any more than you do :-). Work is hard to argue with though. |
| 18:51.08 | keith4 | sure they're up? ;-) |
| 18:52.04 | aucabarcas | chops1: http://paste.debian.net/58730/ route -n and ifconfig -a |
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| 18:52.24 | keith4 | uh |
| 18:52.33 | keith4 | line 5? |
| 18:53.01 | keith4 | (and 3) |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | what's wrong with those lines? |
| 18:53.16 | keith4 | did you try manually adding routes for 10.0.0.0 and 10.0.8.0? |
| 18:53.37 | keith4 | abrotman: i thought he wanted specific gateways for those networks? |
| 18:53.57 | chops1 | aucabarcas: That all looks fine... what are the IPs you're pinging? They are on the same physical network segment, right? Are you sure they're up? :-) |
| 18:54.08 | abrotman | i think he just wants his machine on multiple internal networks with the ability to ping on any of them while using his 192.168.x.x as his default GW |
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| 18:54.50 | keith4 | maybe 192.168.1.1 doesn't have a route to the 10.0.0.0 and 10.0.8.0 networks? |
| 18:55.03 | aucabarcas | chops1: they are up and running (in fact i can ping them with xp :-( ) |
| 18:55.20 | keith4 | or is he talking about multiple subnets overlaid on the same physical network? |
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| 18:55.30 | chops1 | aucabarcas: What are the IPs that you are pinging? |
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| 18:56.37 | sorressean | My netbook has an intel adam processor apparently, what linux-image do I need for it? |
| 18:56.48 | chops1 | aucabarcas: And can you pastebin ipconfig /all from the XP machine? |
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| 18:57.42 | keith4 | sorressean: you'll need the 'eve' one |
| 18:57.49 | xand | sorressean: you mean an Atom? it could be i386 or amd64 |
| 18:58.00 | xand | sorressean: the former would work anyway |
| 18:58.21 | sorressean | the 'eve' one?... |
| 18:58.36 | chops1 | Okay, gtg all. Best of luck aucabarcas. |
| 18:58.59 | sorressean | and yeah, I used i686 but I'm thinking it's not the right kernel. for some reason when I try to boot every syslogger I use locks up. |
| 18:59.11 | keith4 | sorressean: biblical joke. forget it |
| 18:59.17 | macrobat | what's a command to list all availiable updates? |
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| 18:59.38 | sorressean | apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:00.51 | aucabarcas | chops1: for example, i am trying to ping 10.0.0.45. the ipconfig /all pastebin is in spanish http://paste.debian.net/58732/ |
| 19:00.58 | macrobat | if i dont want to upgrade, but just want the list, to display by an applet? |
| 19:01.17 | aucabarcas | chops1, abrotman: thank you. |
| 19:01.44 | macrobat | i want to see the list as an unpriviledged user |
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| 19:02.23 | chops1 | aucabarcas: It looks like you don't need those alias lines; seems like your gateway is routing to the 10.x.x.x network on behalf of your Windows machine, so I'd expect that the same would happen for your Linux machine |
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| 19:02.39 | seb__ | hi |
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| 19:02.55 | chops1 | aucabarcas: I'm not sure what to say about the 192.168.0.x network your Windows machines is connected to with a static IP... hopefully that's just totally unrelated. |
| 19:03.11 | chops1 | aucabarcas: But you did say that it didn't work from Linux with no aliased interfaces, of course... |
| 19:03.19 | seb__ | do you know if x11proto-gl-dev gonna be released in a newer version soon ? |
| 19:03.31 | aucabarcas | chops1: yes, (192.168.0.x) it's for sharing files. |
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| 19:03.40 | seb__ | i am stuck with the 1.4.10 one |
| 19:04.06 | macrobat | seb__: look at the qa for that pkg |
| 19:04.12 | chops1 | If it still works when you disconnect the 192.168.0.x network from the Windows machine, then all I can really tell you is try wireshark from the Windows machine and from the Linux machine. Maybe there's a firewall in the way or something strange like that. It looks like it works from Windows with no chicanery, though, so none should be required on the Linux side either. |
| 19:04.16 | chops1 | Okay, gtg. Best of luck. |
| 19:04.17 | seb__ | without a > 1.4.10 building mesa 7.8 can't be done |
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| 19:05.06 | seb__ | macrobat: thx, does the bot know anything about query/answersing a pkg ? |
| 19:05.12 | macrobat | seb__: http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 19:05.34 | macrobat | judd: versions x11proto-gl-dev |
| 19:05.36 | judd | x11proto-gl-dev -- etch: 1.4.8-1 lenny: 1.4.9-2 sid: 1.4.10-1 squeeze: 1.4.10-1 |
| 19:05.54 | seb__ | ok 1.4.11 is mandatory ... |
| 19:05.58 | aucabarcas | chops1: thanks, i'll keep trying. :-) |
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| 19:06.21 | macrobat | !tell seb__ about ssb |
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| 19:10.01 | zleap | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LEGO-TOY-STORY-WOODY-MINIFIGURE-NEW-SEALED_W0QQitemZ170439733696QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Construction_Toys_Kits?hash=item27aefff1c0 |
| 19:10.10 | zleap | would appeal to debian fans |
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| 19:11.58 | chronos | hello all |
| 19:12.13 | chronos | what is right place to change debian system encoding |
| 19:12.17 | chronos | ? |
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| 19:13.22 | Brack10 | Why does the debian installer ask me questions throughout every stage of the installation instead of putting them all at the beginning? Is it spite? |
| 19:13.50 | nooper | yes |
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| 19:14.47 | AimHere | The Debian Community Demands Your Full And Undivided Attention At All Times. The Installer is making sure you and debian get off on the right footing. |
| 19:14.54 | peterrooney | ice799: in lenny, it's nfs-common, can't really see that changing often |
| 19:15.28 | peterrooney | Brack10: you could always set the question priority to critical instead of low |
| 19:16.01 | peterrooney | Brack10: or, /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 19:17.08 | Brack10 | AimHere: I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship already |
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| 19:17.15 | stuckey | How can I search bug reports? |
| 19:17.29 | stuckey | I put something in and it says An error occurred. Error was: You have to choose something to select by |
| 19:17.39 | niklaswe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.00 | lord-carlos | ubuntu |
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| 19:18.24 | abrotman | lord-carlos: #ubuntu |
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| 19:18.33 | abrotman | Brack10: before the installation of what? |
| 19:19.21 | lord-carlos | abrotman: sone dude told me i got kickt if i say "ubuntu" in this channel :) |
| 19:19.22 | Brack10 | abrotman: I'm talking about the OS itself. You have to answer questions throughout the whole thing so you can't leave the installation for more than 5 minutes |
| 19:19.26 | lord-carlos | but thanks |
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| 19:19.47 | abrotman | Brack10: so no other OS asks you questions ? |
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| 19:20.08 | abrotman | Brack10: you can actually leave alone for quite awhile if you know what is coming |
| 19:20.09 | Brack10 | abrotman: no but they tend to do it at the beginning of the installation so that you can do other things while the files copy |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | Brack10: Debian is the same way |
| 19:20.36 | Brack10 | yeah but then right after copying the files it asks if you want to participate in the usage survey |
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| 19:20.40 | Brack10 | lol |
| 19:21.14 | abrotman | Brack10: then you may not have installed very many packages ? |
| 19:21.44 | sigmonsays | why doesn't a EPEL like maintainer exist for debian? |
| 19:21.49 | Brack10 | I was just joking, hoping someone would make an amusing remark |
| 19:21.54 | Brack10 | and they did, now I'm satisfied |
| 19:22.15 | abrotman | sigmonsays: a what? |
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| 19:22.44 | sigmonsays | another repository with updated software.. EPEL is the repository that complements centos |
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| 19:22.59 | abrotman | !tell sigmonsays about bpo |
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| 19:23.26 | Brack10 | except now my sources.list is missing the mirrors since I had issues with my proxy |
| 19:23.27 | Brack10 | :( |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | so add the ones you want |
| 19:24.39 | Brack10 | I'm not familiar enought with apt to know which ones I want |
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| 19:24.54 | sigmonsays | no python2.6 in backports |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | so? |
| 19:25.19 | Brack10 | I mean I know which mirror I want, but I don't know which components to specify |
| 19:25.23 | abrotman | you can build it yourself .. |
| 19:25.33 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:25.51 | sigmonsays | the point of a distribution is to manage software installation. Why would I want to build it myself |
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| 19:26.20 | DuClare | sigmonsays: There is much more than that to distributions |
| 19:26.38 | sigmonsays | I am just rying to come up with a good solution of managing software and am always being burned by old versions. |
| 19:26.48 | Brack10 | lol #debian rules |
| 19:26.51 | sigmonsays | hence why i'm looking for a EPEL like repo |
| 19:26.55 | DuClare | sigmonsays: If you want bleeding edge, use a bleeding edge distro |
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| 19:27.13 | DuClare | sigmonsays: If you want bleeding edge, you'll have to take care of things when they break |
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| 19:27.54 | sigmonsays | python 2.6 final was released on oct 1st, 2008 |
| 19:27.58 | stuckey | Anyone know where I can search bug reports? |
| 19:28.00 | sigmonsays | what's bleeding edge about that? |
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| 19:30.16 | DuClare | sigmonsays: Lenny was released not long after that. |
| 19:30.51 | DuClare | sigmonsays: It would've been too bleeding edge for a stable release of Debian |
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| 19:37.18 | orudie | can someone recommend a nice program for email campaigns ? |
| 19:38.16 | Brack10 | I'd like to have a backslash in a variable, how do I escape it? \\, \\\, /\, \/, /\\ all don't work. |
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| 19:38.31 | DuClare | Brack10: What variable? |
| 19:39.12 | Brack10 | http_proxy |
| 19:39.45 | DuClare | And how are you setting the variable? |
| 19:39.48 | Brack10 | export |
| 19:40.02 | DuClare | export http_proxy="foo\bar" |
| 19:40.15 | oggei | single tick |
| 19:40.59 | oggei | otherwise you'll get expansion, eg. echo "\" doesn't work |
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| 19:46.58 | Brack10 | hm apt is giving me proxy authentication required even though I know I have the login info correct...it's supposed to be "http_proxy=http://user:pass@proxyaddress:port/" right? |
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| 19:49.47 | oggei | try man 5 apt.conf |
| 19:50.45 | oggei | you can define in apt config, it's probably more flexible for you than using envvars |
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| 19:55.42 | zleap | http://tinyurl.com/y8r436o |
| 19:55.50 | zleap | this may appeal to debian hackers |
| 19:55.59 | zleap | lego model of buzz light year |
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| 19:56.23 | zleap | so you can compile from source as we would say |
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| 19:57.00 | Brack10 | oggei: ok so create apt.conf in /etc/apt/ and then define APT_CONFIG environment variable to point to it? |
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| 19:57.12 | Brack10 | oggei: I think the man page is trying to imply that |
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| 20:01.12 | oggei | Brack10: man page author's is trying to keep readers interested until the end of page :P |
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| 20:01.24 | oggei | (but you can /FILES) |
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| 20:07.30 | Brack10 | oggei: Thanks. Same error :9 |
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| 20:14.14 | oggei | Brack10: then probably apt doesn't know how to present credentials for your proxy |
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| 20:15.24 | oggei | try to paste apt.conf, sources.list and error somewhere |
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| 20:17.26 | abrotman | the example apt.conf has the way to do it |
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| 20:19.19 | Brack10 | oggei: ok. It worked on another debian based distro that will not be named |
| 20:19.28 | Brack10 | same exact syntax |
| 20:20.07 | oggei | eh, so ? |
| 20:20.26 | abrotman | Brack10: see /usr/share/doc/apt/configure-index.gz |
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| 20:24.02 | cinex | My instalation just went wrong. it was working fine. using squeeze with kde. I rebooted and now when I log in (kdm and gdm both do this) it just goes to a blank screen. I reebooted it several times before and it was fine. I dud do an apt-get autoremove though... Maybe I removed something ? |
| 20:24.25 | cinex | after logging in all I see is a mouse cursor |
| 20:24.27 | openmind | k |
| 20:24.48 | oggei | cinex: what did you removed with autoremove ? |
| 20:25.29 | oggei | (no, "autoremove" is not "i can loose interest on what happens on screen cause someone else is doing for me" :P) |
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| 20:26.22 | cinex | i had installed a lot of music players looking for something similar to xmms. after removing the ones I didn't want, there was a lot of un-needed files |
| 20:26.42 | cinex | it was looking sexy too :S |
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| 20:27.52 | cinex | ioctl EVIOCGNAMEW failed: innapropriate ioctl for device && PreInt returned null for ""SynPS/2 SYnaptics Touchpad"" |
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| 20:28.02 | cinex | are the errors when using startx |
| 20:28.12 | mcork | hello |
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| 20:28.57 | mcork | somebody help me to say to me what programa I can use to conect to ssh ? |
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| 20:29.09 | berbz | um |
| 20:29.10 | berbz | ssh |
| 20:29.11 | cinex | mcork: either ssh or filezilla or something |
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| 20:29.30 | mcork | I don want ssh |
| 20:29.39 | mcork | other programs please |
| 20:29.51 | cinex | for linux ? |
| 20:29.55 | berbz | lol. |
| 20:29.57 | mcork | for debian |
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| 20:30.02 | jelly-home | putty? |
| 20:30.06 | cinex | what do u want to do after you have connected ? |
| 20:30.20 | berbz | This is confusing and amusing me. |
| 20:30.27 | mcork | I want to work by console |
| 20:30.35 | cinex | mcork: kde or gnome ? |
| 20:30.38 | mcork | gnome |
| 20:30.44 | cinex | open xterm |
| 20:30.45 | AimHere | What's the problem with ssh? |
| 20:30.45 | cinex | i think |
| 20:31.00 | mcork | because give an error |
| 20:31.11 | AimHere | Aha. What sort of error? |
| 20:31.16 | mcork | mmm |
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| 20:31.24 | jelly-home | mcork: which Debian release are you using? Please use a pastebin to provide the whole output for the failing command. |
| 20:31.29 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 20:31.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:31.33 | wish^ | 8079 1 0 Feb01 ? 00:00:02 SCREEN -dm -S rtorrent |
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| 20:31.40 | wish^ | whats that screen thing mean? |
| 20:31.47 | berbz | That means there's a screen instance running |
| 20:31.49 | berbz | !screen |
| 20:31.49 | dpkg | [screen] a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>. Vertical split not documented in Lenny (BTS #525998). http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:32.00 | berbz | screen = awesome. |
| 20:32.04 | mcork | Please contact your system administrator. |
| 20:32.08 | mcork | Add correct host key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts to get rid of this message. |
| 20:32.08 | mcork | Offending key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:3 |
| 20:32.08 | mcork | RSA host key for publico.ula.ve has changed and you have requested strict checking. |
| 20:32.08 | mcork | Host key verification failed. |
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| 20:32.22 | berbz | lmfao. |
| 20:32.35 | AimHere | Well we see the problem |
| 20:32.43 | jelly-home | let's see how long it takes for him to rejoin |
| 20:32.47 | berbz | He wont. |
| 20:33.24 | AimHere | I bet he will |
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| 20:33.34 | AimHere | Actually I'll revise that |
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| 20:33.55 | berbz | He may when he figures out how to do a /join # |
| 20:33.57 | AimHere | Seeing as his solution to an ssh_config mismatch is to get a new ssh client |
| 20:33.57 | wish^ | I did a ps -ef and got a list of processes and on one of em it had SCREEN -dm -S in the CMD table.. any idea what this means? |
| 20:34.04 | berbz | wish^ |
| 20:34.05 | AimHere | He's probably getting a new IRC client |
| 20:34.06 | berbz | !screen |
| 20:34.07 | dpkg | [screen] a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>. Vertical split not documented in Lenny (BTS #525998). http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:34.16 | berbz | haha @ AimHere. |
| 20:34.17 | jelly-home | wish^: you started screen. |
| 20:34.28 | jelly-home | wish^: it's now running. |
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| 20:34.41 | wish^ | but there is also a process of the same name without the screen thing in front of it |
| 20:34.46 | wish^ | does that mean im running 2 clientS? |
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| 20:35.08 | berbz | Screen is an instance wish^ of a terminal that allows you to use multiple terminals and keybindings within a single window, for example. |
| 20:35.11 | oggei | ps shows "command", not "process" |
| 20:35.29 | jelly-home | wish^: no, screen works as a client-server model. that caps process is the server |
| 20:35.56 | wish^ | you guys are talking blabber, and it has absolutely nothing to do with my question im guessing |
| 20:35.59 | cinex | hmm |
| 20:36.04 | jelly-home | wish^: when you run screen for the first time, a server process gets forked off and runs in background. |
| 20:36.10 | wish^ | why is screen accumulated with my program then? |
| 20:36.11 | AimHere | No, we're just not talking at your level |
| 20:36.15 | oggei | wish^: so try to reboot |
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| 20:36.28 | AimHere | There's two commands running. One is called SCREEN -dm rtorrent, and that runs another one called rtorrent |
| 20:36.41 | wish^ | so it isnt a problem? |
| 20:36.48 | berbz | The rtorrent process command is being ran inside a Screen instance. |
| 20:36.48 | cinex | I'm being told I can remove kwalletmanager |
| 20:36.53 | cinex | how do I install kde ? |
| 20:37.03 | wish^ | Like i run irssi in screen? |
| 20:37.04 | jelly-home | wish^: it's normal. There will always be a SCREEN process, and 0 or more screen clients. |
| 20:37.09 | wish^ | so i can log off and keep it running? |
| 20:37.18 | themill | dpkg: tell cinex about install kde4 |
| 20:37.18 | k\t | abrotman: it turned out that the account "nobody" was receiving mail for users on the system -- so the dns services was working the whole time i sat up here asking questions... =\ |
| 20:37.18 | AimHere | No. Two different processes, both of them just happen to have 'rtorrent' in the command line |
| 20:37.37 | wish^ | But i dont want 2 instances of the client running |
| 20:37.45 | themill | s/command line/process name that can be set by the process while it is running/ |
| 20:37.49 | berbz | Then kill one of them wish^ |
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| 20:37.58 | AimHere | You've not got two instances of the client. You've one instance of screen, and one instance of rtorrent |
| 20:37.59 | cinex | ok thanks |
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| 20:38.09 | AimHere | The instance of screen has a command line with 'rtorrent' in it |
| 20:38.09 | jelly-home | wish^: "SCREEN stuff" isn't a process running "stuff" |
| 20:38.20 | infid | what's the difference between a hardlink and cp'ing a file? |
| 20:38.35 | cinex | kde-minimal will install kde 4 or 3 ? |
| 20:38.41 | wish^ | i guess i reboot my system |
| 20:38.42 | k\t | abrotman: so now i'm guessing that i have to config procmail so that mailed gets delivered to the proper mbox(es) |
| 20:38.43 | themill | dpkg: tell infid about hardlink |
| 20:38.43 | AimHere | A hardlink is two points in the filesystem that point to the file. 'cp' ing a file makes two copies of the file |
| 20:38.50 | themill | cinex: squeeze only has kde4 |
| 20:38.56 | k\t | mail* |
| 20:38.59 | cinex | awesome |
| 20:39.00 | berbz | Why are you rebooting? |
| 20:39.01 | berbz | Really? |
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| 20:39.07 | berbz | That makes no god damn sense. |
| 20:39.07 | SimManiac | hi guys |
| 20:39.11 | abrotman | k\t: uhm .. procmail hsouldn't need to be involved |
| 20:39.17 | cinex | 188mb -- I must have rmeoved kd e? |
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| 20:39.32 | k\t | really? ... here i go again with misconceptions =P |
| 20:39.41 | oggei | wish^: incredibly you did took the sole wrong answer :P |
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| 20:39.43 | SimManiac | anyone out there does use virtualbox-ose (3.1.2) on Debian Squeeze and the propietary nvidia driver? |
| 20:39.59 | wish^ | oggei? |
| 20:40.03 | SimManiac | there's something puzzling me and I'm not sure about *what* is causing it |
| 20:40.16 | k\t | alright, well i'm gonna go read about it, somewhere... |
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| 20:40.18 | jelly-home | oggei: it could be a troll trying to frustrate the helpers |
| 20:40.25 | berbz | wish^: Kill the damn screen and then restart your process is you don't want a screen running. Simple. |
| 20:40.30 | ranix | hey |
| 20:40.31 | ranix | language |
| 20:40.33 | k\t | l8r |
| 20:40.43 | jelly-home | ranix: troll troll troll! |
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| 20:40.47 | Plouj | hi |
| 20:40.53 | oggei | yes, thx jelly-home |
| 20:40.56 | wish^ | berbz: it isnt quite that simple, i wanna know why the screen was running in the first place |
| 20:40.58 | Plouj | is there a way to get a list of only manually installed packages? |
| 20:41.07 | jelly-home | wish^: because someone started it |
| 20:41.12 | berbz | Well, you clearly had to start it. |
| 20:41.14 | wish^ | but i didnt |
| 20:41.15 | berbz | Or someone did. |
| 20:41.25 | AimHere | Is your computer used by multiple people? |
| 20:41.29 | themill | Plouj: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 20:41.34 | AimHere | Did you start rtorrent? |
| 20:41.35 | woo | Hello, i installed debian squeeze on a LVM volume with LUKS encryption, but at boot time i get a 'cryptsetup: lvm device name (/dev/disk/by-uuid/blabla) does not begin with /dev/mapper/', i tried googling for it but couldnt find any help about it, any ideas ? |
| 20:41.36 | berbz | Did you copy and paste commands from some tutorial without knowing specifically what they do, wish^. |
| 20:41.43 | wish^ | no i did not |
| 20:41.54 | themill | Plouj: you can "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" and "/msg dpkg aptitude search" for more details |
| 20:41.56 | AimHere | Is this a single user machine? |
| 20:42.14 | wish^ | now i cant even access my rtorrent |
| 20:42.23 | berbz | Yes you can |
| 20:42.26 | berbz | screen ls |
| 20:42.29 | cinex | I did, I had uninstalled kde muahaha |
| 20:42.31 | cinex | oops |
| 20:42.32 | berbz | screen -r pid |
| 20:42.45 | berbz | or |
| 20:42.48 | berbz | fg |
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| 20:43.07 | AimHere | screen is designed to do that sort of thing |
| 20:43.11 | jelly-home | !tell berbz about enter |
| 20:43.25 | wish^ | i dont think you guys understand my problem at all tbh |
| 20:43.30 | berbz | jelly-home: Yes it is. |
| 20:43.36 | Plouj | themill: and without aptitude? |
| 20:43.45 | k\t | right... /etc/aliases... |
| 20:43.52 | themill | Plouj: no idea... why wouldn't you use aptitude for that? |
| 20:43.57 | berbz | wish^: Your problem is that you can't access your rtorrent now correct? If not, explain. |
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| 20:44.06 | wish^ | i access it via a webui |
| 20:44.08 | Plouj | themill: long story, my system doesn't have it |
| 20:44.13 | wish^ | and that isnt accesible anymore |
| 20:44.35 | jelly-home | oh, it IS a troll |
| 20:44.41 | berbz | Daaaaaaaamn. |
| 20:44.41 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 20:45.00 | hmmzok | i mean i rebooted the system and everything and no luck |
| 20:45.13 | themill | ffs |
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| 20:45.28 | luke-jr | Any simple ways to get Debian to boot quicker on qemu? |
| 20:46.03 | rudi_s | luke-jr: kvm? |
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| 20:46.38 | themill | Plouj: it's all in /var/lib/apt/extended_states |
| 20:46.42 | hmmzok | berbz |
| 20:46.44 | luke-jr | rudi_s: I'm using kqemu, so same :P |
| 20:46.47 | hmmzok | its wish^ |
| 20:46.55 | berbz | No kidding. |
| 20:46.55 | luke-jr | rudi_s: it's just slow to do the boot process, not slow in general |
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| 20:47.13 | hmmzok | im sorry if you thought i was being rude or something, but im really screwed here |
| 20:47.29 | rudi_s | luke-jr: No idea then, sorry. |
| 20:47.34 | berbz | Oh yeah, why is that? |
| 20:47.44 | Plouj | themill: ok, thanks |
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| 20:48.20 | themill | Plouj: actually, it will be the output of "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" with the output of "sed -n 's/Package: //p' /var/lib/apt/extended_states" removed.... have fun with that :) |
| 20:48.46 | hmmzok | Cause i need to get this program working again |
| 20:49.11 | berbz | You should probably do everything everyone suggested then. |
| 20:49.32 | hmmzok | but i dont dare kill any processes, might screw it all up |
| 20:49.49 | berbz | Maybe, gremlins might attack. |
| 20:50.09 | hmmzok | ok nvm berbz |
| 20:50.13 | hmmzok | now your the one being a moron |
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| 20:50.42 | berbz | Without trying to be rude, sir. If you come into a room asking for help, but refuse to do anything that is suggested, you may want to find some more help somewhere else. :) |
| 20:51.05 | hmmzok | I dont refuse to do whats suggested, i just dont think you understood my point |
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| 20:51.16 | berbz | You can't access your WUI. |
| 20:51.25 | jelly-home | we just think we understood it very well |
| 20:51.37 | hmmzok | What reason could there be that the screen is running? does it do something important? |
| 20:51.49 | berbz | !screen |
| 20:51.49 | dpkg | [screen] a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>. Vertical split not documented in Lenny (BTS #525998). http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:51.52 | themill | thinks we've been through this already |
| 20:52.07 | jelly-home | themill: it's vaguely amusing, though |
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| 20:53.04 | hmmzok | right so i need the screen is needed to keep the session alive yea? |
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| 20:53.24 | berbz | That screen is currently controlling the "aliveness" of that rtorrent instance. |
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| 20:53.37 | ranix | good lord |
| 20:53.39 | hmmzok | so i should kill the other one? and restart this one? |
| 20:53.39 | berbz | Is aliveness a word? hrm. |
| 20:53.40 | ranix | just use a torrent daemon |
| 20:53.45 | ranix | like bittornado or something |
| 20:53.48 | ranix | use torrentflux |
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| 20:54.11 | kermit | how can i tell when packages have been used last so i know what i can delete? |
| 20:54.12 | hmmzok | ranix, thats clearly not helpful |
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| 20:54.31 | themill | hmmzok: perhaps #screen would be a good place to ask for more information |
| 20:54.36 | berbz | Just kill both the instances and then restart the daemon. An amazing 3 seconds of time. |
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| 20:55.21 | themill | kermit: the popularity-contest package might help. popcon-largest-unused |
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| 20:56.36 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:56.49 | jelly-home | actually thinks a web ui running rtorrent in screen behind the scene is a nice hack |
| 20:56.58 | eptalon | the newest (as of a few days ago) version of grub dies. |
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| 20:57.32 | berbz | jelly-home: Not quite a bad idea indeed. Does rtorrent not permit bg processesing though? |
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| 20:57.42 | eptalon | Is there a quick way of just reinstalling grub (without the possibility to boot the OS)? |
| 20:57.42 | kermit | themill: that sort of does it, but it seems to only look at executable files. |
| 20:57.54 | RocciaMax | Hi all |
| 20:57.58 | cheako | Does any one know where I can find busybox built for MIPSel kernel 2.4.17? I get a "FATAL: kernel too old" |
| 20:58.00 | jelly-home | berbz: it doesn't know it's in "background" |
| 20:58.25 | jelly-home | berbz: and the user obviously doesn't have a clue how their software works, either |
| 20:58.33 | eptalon | cheako: what kind of boxes are MIPSel? - DEC Alpha? |
| 20:58.41 | cheako | I also need static or linked with uClibc. |
| 20:58.45 | woo | does anyone knows how to make dev mapper to map an LVM volume at boot time? im getting errors with a LVM and LUKS in my / and i cannot boot a fresh install |
| 20:59.00 | jelly-home | cheako: what hardware is this? |
| 20:59.12 | cheako | eptalon: mipsel it's a joke I think. |
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| 20:59.23 | cheako | MIPS Little |
| 20:59.25 | hmmzok | so now you are just taking the piss? |
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| 20:59.36 | Bird|school | I'm looking at the various CAD apps in the Debian repository and wondering what a good choice would be for enclosure work... (in terms of background, I've worked with Autodesk Inventor & Revit, but no AutoCAD) |
| 20:59.49 | cheako | MIPS 4KEc V4.8 |
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| 20:59.58 | eptalon | mipsel as a platform exitsts. Its DEC something or other. |
| 21:00.00 | cheako | It's an actiontec DSL modem. |
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| 21:00.10 | Bird|school | eptalon: no...he's running on embedded hw |
| 21:00.15 | abrotman | Bird|school: i don't recall there being a ton of variety ? |
| 21:00.18 | eptalon | ah. |
| 21:00.44 | Bird|school | abrotman: well, I've got a few choices...qcad, varkon, freecad, (also electric has some support for general drawing) |
| 21:01.12 | abrotman | yeah .. gimp has some support for general drawing too :) |
| 21:01.13 | cheako | I don't -yet- need all of busybox, just a base64 encoder... I'd be happy to use one written for bash. |
| 21:01.13 | Bird|school | woo: if you want / on an LVM, you need a separate /boot that's not LVMed |
| 21:01.16 | hmmzok | i guess this is for sure not the place to come for assistance.. big headed jerkoffs only? |
| 21:01.22 | berbz | jelly-home: no doubt |
| 21:01.23 | Bird|school | abrotman: ;p |
| 21:01.27 | abrotman | hmmzok: insulting people won't help you get help |
| 21:01.28 | eptalon | Bird|school: heard of qcad, but that doesn't say anything; I am not into drawing. |
| 21:01.45 | RocciaMax | I think i've done something really bad... starting gnome hard locks. Total newb. Any help? |
| 21:01.45 | Bird|school | hmmzok: what's your question? |
| 21:02.01 | ranix | !insult hmmzok |
| 21:02.03 | dpkg | hmmzok is nothing but a boil-brained bucket of rude-snouted snake bait |
| 21:02.17 | hmmzok | !insult ranix |
| 21:02.18 | dpkg | ranix is nothing but a flap-mouthed ass-full of clouted yoo-hoo |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | STOP |
| 21:02.26 | Hyperzid | linux-headers-2.6.30-2-486: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable<-- Why do I get this error message in debian squeeze? |
| 21:02.31 | eptalon | woo: works pretty well; /boot on a separate part is a good idea. |
| 21:02.50 | abrotman | Hyperzid: is this squeeze ? what is your CPU ? |
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| 21:03.13 | Hyperzid | abrotman, AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ |
| 21:03.16 | Bird|school | Hyperzid: squeeze is on 2.6.32 these days, so what are you trying to accomplish with a 2.6.30? |
| 21:03.22 | abrotman | Hyperzid: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 21:03.25 | jelly-home | judd: versions linux-kbuild-2.6.30 |
| 21:03.25 | judd | linux-kbuild-2.6.30 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.30-1~bpo50+1 |
| 21:03.39 | Bird|school | judd: versions linux-headers-2.6.32 |
| 21:03.40 | judd | linux-headers-2.6.32 -- |
| 21:03.42 | berbz | Did someone call me a jerkoff? |
| 21:03.45 | jelly-home | Hyperzid: upgrade the kernel, .30 isn't available in squeeze any more |
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| 21:03.59 | Hyperzid | jelly-home, I havent rebooted yet |
| 21:04.02 | Bird|school | thx jelly-home :) |
| 21:04.23 | Bird|school | berbz: no, that was just some channel garbage |
| 21:04.31 | woo | Bird|school: : yes, i have /boot on a separate partition |
| 21:04.37 | berbz | oh haha |
| 21:04.39 | eptalon | Is groub repairable from that grub command line that doesn't even have a help? |
| 21:05.01 | Bird|school | woo: your initramfs has the lvm/luks modules in it, right? |
| 21:05.17 | eptalon | woo: my /boot was non-lvm, non-raid I think. |
| 21:05.23 | woo | Bird|school: afaik, yes, it does, its a fresh install |
| 21:05.40 | woo | eptalon: my boot isnt lvm / luks either, only my / and swap |
| 21:06.07 | Bird|school | abrotman: so..........I take it you don't have any suggestions? |
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| 21:06.48 | eptalon | woo: /, /home, /var, /usr, all lvm/raid1; /boot only raid1. |
| 21:07.03 | Hyperzid | abrotman, thanks alot! worked :-) |
| 21:07.08 | eptalon | woo: all xfs except /boot |
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| 21:07.32 | eptalon | and swap is raid0, I think. |
| 21:07.33 | Bird|school | woo: (on my desktop) / /home swap lvm ext3, /boot is non-lvm (ext2 even IIRC) |
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| 21:07.48 | woo | eptalon: my scheme goes like this, /boot is a normal ext3 non luks non raid, non lvm, and my root (/) is luks / lvm |
| 21:08.10 | eptalon | but I cannot currently boot that, so I am running a live-cd. |
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| 21:08.40 | abrotman | Bird|school: i only know qcad and brlcad |
| 21:09.16 | woo | eptalon: why cant you ? |
| 21:09.39 | eptalon | woo: the current (sid) version of grub-pc has a glitch. |
| 21:09.42 | Bird|school | abrotman: ah. :) I've heard of brlcad too...well, at least you can tell me if qcad's community edition is a workable option :) |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | Bird|school: not enough for what you're doing ... i know it's been around awhile |
| 21:10.31 | RocciaMax | Can anybody lend a hand? I can't start Gnome anymore... |
| 21:10.37 | Bird|school | abrotman: hmmm...so you're saying I need a 3d cad app I take it? :) |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | Bird|school: i haven't used it enough .. i've looked around for CAD stuff often |
| 21:10.46 | Bird|school | ah. |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | RocciaMax: using gdm or startx ? |
| 21:10.50 | woo | eptalon:: if im not wrong, the only requirement is to have a /boot non-luks, since you need the booting image and all that non-encrypted, once you boot initramfs you get dm-crypt and the lvm support for mounting your root, which is exactly what im trying to do, but my problem arises when my initramfs (the default on squeeze fresh install) tries to mount my / it stops with an error message saying that it cant mount the partition cause |
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| 21:11.28 | abrotman | Bird|school: unfortunately .. i think you're kind of in a 'TIAS' situation |
| 21:11.37 | RocciaMax | abrot gdm. Did a apt-get upgrade, upgraded some 200 items, and now hard locks upon start. |
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| 21:12.04 | eptalon | woo: bug 568001. |
| 21:12.10 | Hyperzid | abrotman, I still cant install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable |
| 21:13.00 | Bird|school | Hyperzid: why are you trying to install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686? |
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| 21:13.09 | eptalon | woo: and no, I dont have encrypted fses |
| 21:13.20 | eptalon | just lvm/raid |
| 21:13.21 | Hyperzid | Bird|school, because I want headers for the kernel I currently have running. |
| 21:13.34 | Hyperzid | Bird|school, I want to run virtualbox and need the headers for that. |
| 21:13.38 | woo | eptalon: ah, i see. im having problem with the combo luks/lvm |
| 21:13.44 | Bird|school | Hyperzid: ok, why aren't you running 2.6.32 then? |
| 21:13.49 | woo | Bird|school: you have lvm + luks working? |
| 21:13.55 | Hyperzid | Bird|school, because I dont want to reboot |
| 21:13.56 | Bird|school | woo: just lvm, no luks |
| 21:14.07 | woo | Bird|school: i see. thank you. |
| 21:14.12 | themill | Hyperzid: what's the exact output of "uname -r" and where is this kernel from? |
| 21:14.29 | Hyperzid | themill, 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 21:14.31 | Bird|school | woo: also keep in mind the LVM'ed box is running Mint not Debian |
| 21:14.37 | Hyperzid | themill, maybe its from debian lenny |
| 21:14.52 | Hyperzid | Maybe I havent rebooted after I upgraded |
| 21:15.03 | themill | Hyperzid: that kernel is no longer anywhere in debian. It's an old squeeze kernel and istr that it has know security vulnerabilities too. |
| 21:15.04 | Bird|school | Hyperzid: that's probably it, reboot into 2.6.32 and come back to us :) |
| 21:15.11 | cheako | I found it... the one from etch worked!!! |
| 21:15.12 | Hyperzid | I have an uptime of 71 days.. so I guess so. |
| 21:15.30 | Hyperzid | Bird|school, ok!. |
| 21:15.36 | themill | Hyperzid: You might be lucky and find the headers package around, but you're probably better to just reboot. /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 21:15.52 | RocciaMax | i can run a "safe session" but not a regular one. How do I know what happens? /var/log/something? |
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| 21:16.08 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: /var/log/gdm* and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:16.32 | eptalon | No known workarounds once bug 568001 hit you? |
| 21:17.01 | eptalon | (thats the failed grub install thing, that leaves the system unbootable) |
| 21:17.18 | RocciaMax | darn... switched to a console, switched back to X, hard lock :( |
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| 21:17.57 | eptalon | RocciaMax: ctrl-alt-backspace, sometimes kills X |
| 21:18.00 | Bird|school | eptalon: me? the LVM-equpped box runs Mint not Debian, so I have no clue |
| 21:18.11 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: what gfx h/w do you have? |
| 21:18.12 | RocciaMax | did not :( hard reset... |
| 21:18.21 | RocciaMax | bird the bad one... radeon |
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| 21:18.41 | eptalon | also wondered about debian support for atom... |
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| 21:19.03 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: what model Radeon do you have? |
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| 21:19.35 | RocciaMax | bird an old 9600 AGP |
| 21:19.53 | woo | anyone using LUKS over LVM ? |
| 21:20.12 | berbz | You do! |
| 21:20.22 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: ok, that should work with the radeon drivers |
| 21:20.38 | RocciaMax | bird it worked perfectly until yesterday |
| 21:20.38 | Bird|school | take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:20.45 | Bird|school | what happened when it stopped working? |
| 21:20.58 | RocciaMax | made a big apt-get upgrade |
| 21:21.04 | Bird|school | (in fact, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log to the channel :) |
| 21:21.05 | Bird|school | ah. |
| 21:21.09 | RocciaMax | Something like 200 items upgraded |
| 21:21.13 | berbz | Ouch |
| 21:21.20 | Bird|school | yeah...was xserver-xorg-video-radeon among one of those items? |
| 21:21.23 | scummos | hey, i'm back... and i have a couple of questions again :) |
| 21:21.28 | scummos | first, where's the grub2 config file? |
| 21:21.30 | RocciaMax | ehm... dunno |
| 21:21.32 | ola | woo: I use LUKS over LVM |
| 21:21.40 | Bird|school | scummos: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 21:21.45 | Bird|school | IIRC |
| 21:21.55 | Bird|school | but that's put together from some other stuff, look in /etc/grub.d/* |
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| 21:22.40 | scummos | thanks :) |
| 21:24.04 | RocciaMax | This is something like 700 lines of log... is this only one boot? |
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| 21:24.17 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: no, several...pastebin the whole thing anyway tho :) |
| 21:24.39 | woo | ola: great, cause im trying to install squeeze on luks partitions over LVM and im getting an error saying that it cant find my lvm volumes. |
| 21:24.40 | Brack10 | ok so in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy I have the line Acquire::http::Proxy "http://domain\login:password@proxy:8080"; ----It's sending the wrong credentials to the proxy server. Is the backslash messing it up? |
| 21:25.02 | Bird|school | Brack10: that's a very good possibility |
| 21:25.07 | RocciaMax | obviously it's on the other computer :p |
| 21:25.20 | Brack10 | Ok. How can I fix that? |
| 21:25.42 | Brack10 | I shouldn't need to escape it if it's in quotes, right? |
| 21:26.02 | woo | ola: i set up an lvm and then crypted devices over those lvms, is that right ? i have been doing this on the install and everything seems to work fine until the fresh boot, then i get a 'lvm device name (/dev/disk/by-uuid/blabla) does not begin with /dev/mapper/' |
| 21:26.03 | Bird|school | Brack10: try doubling the backslash |
| 21:26.20 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: pastebinit ;) |
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| 21:26.36 | RocciaMax | bird wait... i need an irc on the oter computer. |
| 21:26.58 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: irssi? ;) |
| 21:26.59 | Brack10 | Bird|school: That did not work. Unfortunately I cannot tcpdump the traffic to see what I'm sending because I don't have APT to install it :( |
| 21:27.11 | RocciaMax | irswhat? |
| 21:27.24 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: irssi. it's a command-line (ncurses) IRC client |
| 21:27.38 | RocciaMax | like it. |
| 21:27.50 | zorrolero | Brack10: so why you're sure you're sending the wrong credentials? |
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| 21:28.38 | scummos | Bird|school: uargh... could you point me to where i can add something to the kernel command line? |
| 21:28.40 | Brack10 | zorrolero: Right. I know they're wrong because I can use the correct ones just fine on Firefox...I just don't know what the problem is exactly |
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| 21:28.58 | scummos | i want to change the vga mode |
| 21:29.12 | Brack10 | If I could tcpdump my traffic, I could tell you what it's sending to the proxy but I can't do it without the package |
| 21:29.13 | zorrolero | Brack10: same login/username? |
| 21:29.18 | Brack10 | zorrolero: Yeah |
| 21:29.19 | wols | scummos: /boot/grub/menu.lst if it's lenny |
| 21:29.36 | wols | the line starts with #kopt |
| 21:29.39 | Brack10 | I'm positive I have the username and password correct |
| 21:29.43 | Brack10 | but it gives me 407 |
| 21:29.46 | scummos | wols: it's squeeze |
| 21:29.47 | scummos | grub 2.0 |
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| 21:30.49 | zorrolero | Brack10: do you use the domain-suffix on your debian-box? if not you have to add it to the proxy-hostname. |
| 21:30.54 | ola | woo: does it prompt you for your LUKS key? if the LUKS LV is mounted, it should be in /dev/mapper, perhaps you have a bad entry in your fstab. |
| 21:31.17 | gribozavr | scummos: /etc/default/grub |
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| 21:31.45 | max_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.50 | scummos | gribozavr: oh great, thanks. |
| 21:31.59 | Rocciamax_v2 | Ok, hereiam |
| 21:31.59 | woo | ola: no, it doesnt, it never gets to mount the lvm, theres where it fails, its not on the /dev/mapper. |
| 21:32.17 | woo | ola: it stops with the message that it couldnt find the lvm on /dev/mapper and then it drops a shell |
| 21:32.21 | scummos | gribozavr: do i have to invoke some command after editing that file |
| 21:32.22 | scummos | ? |
| 21:32.24 | Rocciamax_v2 | How do I send all this junk? CtrlC+CtrlV? |
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| 21:32.34 | Brack10 | zorrolero: You mean for DNS? |
| 21:32.54 | gribozavr | scummos: update-grub2 i think |
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| 21:33.19 | zorrolero | Brack10: yes, or you just put the proxy-ip in there |
| 21:33.46 | RocciaMax | bird do I sympli slip all that junk right here on the channel? |
| 21:33.47 | Brack10 | zorrolero: I just use the IP |
| 21:33.53 | zorrolero | Brack10: ok |
| 21:34.06 | Bird|school | RocciaMax: put it in a pastebin |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | Hyperzid: did you figure it out ? |
| 21:34.08 | Brack10 | zorrolero: it's trying to use the the correct proxy server, but it's just sending malformed credentials with the auth request |
| 21:34.20 | scummos | gribozavr: fine, thanks. |
| 21:34.21 | Bird|school | use pastebinit if that helps :) |
| 21:35.22 | scummos | now, i still can't use my thinkpad's touchpad correctly =/ |
| 21:35.31 | scummos | the scroll emulation doesn't work |
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| 21:36.31 | scummos | here's my xorg.conf, and the relevant error messages from the x log |
| 21:36.33 | scummos | http://pastebin.com/d1a762a85 |
| 21:36.53 | scummos | oh no, sorry, wrong link |
| 21:37.13 | Rocciamax_v2 | think i got the hang of it :P http://pastebin.com/d410593ef |
| 21:38.27 | scummos | here it is. http://pastebin.com/d4c2c99ea |
| 21:38.35 | scummos | any ideas are appreciated... :) |
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| 21:41.59 | zorrolero | Brack10: tried to remove the domainname ? |
| 21:42.49 | Brack10 | zorrolero: |
| 21:42.52 | Brack10 | zorrolero: yep |
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| 21:43.14 | ola | woo: verify your crypttab has an entry for the crypted volume, and then update your initrd. see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 21:43.40 | niklaswe | hmm for grub2 must i have an initd.img ? i have make my onw kernel.. and put this entry in my 40_custom.. menuentry "own kernel"{ set root=(hd0,0) linux /boot/bzImage root=/dev/sda1 ro } but itś not adding it to grub.. only the default kernel som was instlled under the installation.. |
| 21:43.48 | kermit | how do i remove a package without removing things that claim to depend on it? |
| 21:43.56 | Bird|school | niklaswe: remember to run update-grub |
| 21:44.11 | Bird|school | niklaswe: and most kernels need an initrd/initramfs |
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| 21:44.36 | niklaswe | Bird|school: i have run update-grub |
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| 21:45.13 | zorrolero | Brack10: then try to set your proxy-environment-variable with "export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:8080/" |
| 21:46.02 | sorressean | I've got an install of debian up, but when I boot hangs at klogd, I had rsyslog but it just hung there too. when it finally goes to login it says I have an invalid password whether or not I type in the right pw, any ideas why? |
| 21:46.15 | Brack10 | zorrolero: Did that. Same thing. |
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| 21:46.50 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 21:46.57 | woo | ola: ok i will, thank you, actually i think i found the problem, there are two ways, you can crypt a partition and then create the lvm partitions there (debian way) and creating lvm partitions and then crypt on them, which was the way i was doing it, and since its not debian's way, it doesnt work on squeeze :) |
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| 21:47.19 | metalfan_ | any recommendations to get a basic email system running for "virtual" users, a minimal version of gmx.net without the webinterface |
| 21:47.26 | berbz | sorressean: Not sure what could/is causing that but can you get to to grub and add init=/bin/sh |
| 21:47.29 | berbz | Boot into the shell |
| 21:47.47 | berbz | Then from there, change your passwd after mounting your device? |
| 21:47.49 | zorrolero | Brack10: do you maybe have only ftp-mirrors in your sources.list and your http-proxy can't handle that? |
| 21:48.06 | sorressean | I've used a live cd to change passwd. |
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| 21:48.21 | sorressean | I chrooted, I used debootstrap to get going. |
| 21:48.25 | Hyperzid | abrotman, no.. I dont want to reboot atm. |
| 21:48.35 | abrotman | Hyperzid: not much we can do for you then ... |
| 21:48.43 | Hyperzid | Yeah.. I'll wait untill. |
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| 21:49.04 | Brack10 | zorrolero: I have http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 21:49.19 | Brack10 | and it fails with the proxy thing |
| 21:49.24 | Brack10 | authentication |
| 21:49.26 | Brack10 | 407 |
| 21:49.51 | bolt | apt is still off on that root thing :/ |
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| 21:50.06 | Brack10 | I'm positive it's sending the wrong credentials. I guess I'll bring tcpdump over on a thumb drive and figure it out. |
| 21:50.31 | Brack10 | I stupidly deleted the cdrom line on my sources.list instead of commenting |
| 21:50.32 | themill | bolt: you're more likely to change your ident than apt is to change what it does... |
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| 21:50.34 | berbz | sorressean: Not too sure without seeing specifically what's going on at boot up. |
| 21:50.58 | bolt | themill: it changed what it does way more recently than i changed my ident |
| 21:51.00 | sorressean | I think I found my issue. when making my partitions, can I set everything but 2g to be my root partition, then the rest to be swap? when I use +158G it says invalid value. |
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| 21:51.34 | zorrolero | Brack10: ok, the only thing i would check now is if the username is locked out... |
| 21:51.39 | berbz | You can if you'd like, I spose. |
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| 21:51.42 | Brack10 | zorrolero: It's not |
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| 21:51.55 | sorressean | eh? |
| 21:51.56 | zorrolero | Brack10: checked that? |
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| 21:52.11 | Brack10 | zorrolero: Yep. |
| 21:52.34 | berbz | Like you want / to have (lets say out of 100GB) 98 GB and then swap to have 2GB? |
| 21:52.34 | Brack10 | I tried it on firefox with the same credentials afterwards and it worked fine |
| 21:52.45 | sorressean | yeah. |
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| 21:53.09 | iluminator101 | Hi, I installed new debian sqeeze but, i has /home a different partition i have the previous /home....how do i give use the permission to the previous /home |
| 21:53.13 | zorrolero | Brack10: can you check the proxy-logs? there you should see which cedentials are used |
| 21:53.22 | berbz | Sure, you can do that, but I would suggest setting up partitions for at least /home and /var as well |
| 21:53.26 | sorressean | I'd just do swap first and do +2G, but I can't have swap as first because of boot. |
| 21:53.28 | paradoxmonkey | Can SFQ be used to divide bandwidth not only for connections but also per computer. e.g. if two computers download something each computer gets half of the bandwidth. |
| 21:53.40 | paradoxmonkey | ? |
| 21:53.53 | Brack10 | zorrolero: I tried to grep for the user but didn't find anything. I think it threw it out as a bad attempt |
| 21:54.07 | zorrolero | Brack10: ah, maybe it works in firefox because of old, still.in.use proxy-connections |
| 21:54.24 | iluminator101 | What i am saying is that user does not have permission to write /home, which is from a previous install on a different partition |
| 21:54.28 | berbz | sorressean: Not sure how you're setting up your partitions, but you're not setting it to be primary right? |
| 21:54.53 | Brack10 | zorrolero: no I made sure to reset the connection and disable NTLM. I got it to ask for authentication and gave it the credentials in question. You can't pre-populate the user/pass |
| 21:54.57 | sorressean | eh? I need / to be the first partition so I can boot off of it... |
| 21:55.25 | berbz | Well you need / to be your primary correct. |
| 21:55.29 | zorrolero | Brack10: but it should work, i'm also using apt with a proxy on work... |
| 21:55.31 | iluminator101 | how do i give user read/write permission to user on /home/iluminator101 |
| 21:55.36 | sorressean | yes. |
| 21:55.43 | sorressean | chmod 700 |
| 21:55.53 | crn | iluminator101, man chmod |
| 21:55.53 | Brack10 | zorrolero: do you have a backslash in your username? |
| 21:56.15 | zorrolero | Brack10: no. did you try aptitude? |
| 21:56.35 | iluminator101 | so chmod 700 /home/iluminator101 |
| 21:56.39 | berbz | sorressean: You'll want to setup your root partition first yes, if that makes it easier for you. |
| 21:57.24 | crn | iluminator101, also make sure ownership is correct. man chown |
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| 21:57.48 | niklaswe | gaah I really hate grub2 now.. why cant it add my own kernel |
| 21:57.48 | sorressean | MY FSTAB LOOKS LIKE THIS: /DEV/SDA3 / DEFAULTS 1 1 /DEV/SDA1 /BOOT DEFAULTS 1 1 /DEV/SDA2 NONE swap 0 0 is that right? obviously they're separated on different lines and that. |
| 21:58.03 | berbz | pastebin :P |
| 21:58.05 | Brack10 | zorrolero: no. here's what the proxy has to say - Thu Feb 4 13:56:39 2010 Info: User anonymous failed authentication. |
| 21:58.06 | bolt | niklaswe: what do you mean? |
| 21:58.10 | sorressean | uh, you can. edit menu.lst |
| 21:58.42 | bolt | sorressean: menu.lst is only for legacy grub, methinks |
| 21:58.49 | zorrolero | Brack10: ok, try "aptitude update" |
| 21:59.11 | RocciaMax | 'how do i downgrade something |
| 21:59.16 | RocciaMax | ?? |
| 21:59.28 | paradoxmonkey | bolt: indeed menu.lst is for legacy grub |
| 21:59.33 | Brack10 | zorrolero: same 407 |
| 21:59.40 | bolt | grub.cfg, however, you can edit, but it would be overwritten each time you update grub. the "correct" solution is, afaik, to add a new file where you want it in /etc/grub.d/ |
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| 22:00.02 | bolt | i added 07_custom for my kernel of choice |
| 22:00.03 | abrotman | RocciaMax: that depends on that 'something' |
| 22:00.53 | Brack10 | zorrolero: btw it worked fine on ubuntu |
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| 22:01.28 | niklaswe | bolt: i have add menuentry "own kernel"{ set root=(hd0,0) linux /boot/bzImage root=/dev/sda1 ro } in 40_custom but it only generating the kernels i have when i installing it |
| 22:01.29 | RocciaMax | trying to reinstall anold xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 22:02.14 | bolt | niklaswe: did you make the file executable? |
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| 22:03.20 | niklaswe | bolt: yes |
| 22:03.24 | bolt | niklaswe: those files are run in a shell, so try putting a 'echo "MY CUSTOM ENTRIES ARE BEING ADDED!!!" >&2' somewhere at the top of your file. then run update-grub |
| 22:03.33 | bolt | if nothing appears, you're doing it wrong |
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| 22:04.53 | zorrolero | Brack10: what are you using, lenny? |
| 22:05.01 | Brack10 | zorrolero: yep |
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| 22:10.02 | niklaswe | bolt: here is my 40_custom http://niklas.allow.se/40_custom |
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| 22:10.21 | scummos | asks for help for the synaptics problem again... |
| 22:10.29 | scummos | here's the logs :p http://pastebin.com/d4c2c99ea |
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| 22:10.36 | dec3pti0n | has anyone enabled sftp jailing by following this ? http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 22:11.06 | zorrolero | Brack10: don't know what's the problem then,( put the cd in and do this "apt-cdrom add"! |
| 22:11.32 | bolt | niklaswe: you're doing it wrong :) here: http://www.dhampir.no/stuff/volatile/07_custom |
| 22:11.43 | metalfan_ | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/HowTo_Setup_Basic_SMTP_AUTH_in_Exim4 if my server is reachable via dmk-crew.ath.cx do i run htpasswd -nd usernameforsmtp@dmk-crew.eu or without the domain? |
| 22:11.44 | bolt | niklaswe: try and adapt that to your needs :) |
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| 22:12.47 | dutchfish | metalfan_, i dont know about exim, but in postfix both ways can be configured |
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| 22:14.20 | mo2000 | hi |
| 22:14.44 | niklaswe | bolt: will try |
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| 22:16.42 | niklaswe | bolt: cant i use root=/dev/sda1 or? |
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| 22:17.06 | metalfan_ | dutchfish, thx |
| 22:17.19 | bolt | niklaswe: check your current /boot/grub/menu.cfg see what root's set to there |
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| 22:18.13 | mo2000 | does someone know what have changed the last day on kernel (or even on kernel-package) of lenny? |
| 22:18.25 | mo2000 | s/day/days/ |
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| 22:20.30 | jelly-hme | mo2000: aptitude changelog packagename |
| 22:21.02 | mo2000 | Why i ask: Dosemu had first problem with mmap (which is fixed) but the terminal (dumb) mode is not working for Programs that directly using video memory |
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| 22:24.28 | niklaswe | bolt: now has i come so long.. so it added.. but it says no partition when i trying boot with that kernel. :/ |
| 22:25.23 | bolt | niklaswe: did you update the line with the UUID on it? (grab from existing configurations) |
| 22:25.27 | RocciaMax | ok, problem is probably in radeon driver |
| 22:26.04 | bolt | niklaswe: there's also "sudo blkid". will list your UUID's |
| 22:26.06 | niklaswe | bolt: now it worsk |
| 22:26.27 | niklaswe | works* |
| 22:26.31 | niklaswe | ty alot bolt |
| 22:26.35 | bolt | niklaswe: np :) |
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| 22:27.20 | HSorgYves | morning; how can i influence if aptitude uses an ipv4 or an ipv6 |
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| 22:28.45 | StarG_ | heya.. is there a x window channel here on freenode? |
| 22:28.57 | StarG_ | or can i just ask a user questoin about remote x windowing? |
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| 22:29.42 | gribozavr | HSorgYves: for me, if the domain has an AAAA record, aptitude prefers it |
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| 22:30.07 | HSorgYves | gribozavr: so no way to force it to use ipv4? |
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| 22:31.27 | karme | !ask |
| 22:31.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:31.33 | crn | StarG_, there a lots of experienced people here. Ask. |
| 22:32.08 | StarG_ | very good, i would love to run scummvm on a remote client... x window runs here on my box |
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| 22:32.46 | StarG_ | so i just setup a few portfw's (its really quite remote) 6000 - 6999 |
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| 22:33.00 | mo2000 | re |
| 22:33.06 | StarG_ | what do i need to do on client side? |
| 22:33.31 | StarG_ | (its been awhile since) |
| 22:33.33 | karme | StarG_: do you use ssh to connect to the remote host? (typically one simply lets ssh set up the X forwarding, today) |
| 22:33.40 | StarG_ | yes i can |
| 22:33.50 | StarG_ | (and i do) |
| 22:33.55 | karme | StarG_: ssh -X |
| 22:34.14 | bolt | StarG_: skip the port forwarding |
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| 22:34.29 | crn | StarG_, ssh can tunnel. |
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| 22:35.54 | StarG_ | alright opened up a new ssh connection with x11 passthrough |
| 22:36.08 | karme | StarG_: note:you should trust the remote host |
| 22:36.53 | crn | StarG_, ssh -Y maybe. |
| 22:37.14 | niklaswe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:37.39 | StarG_ | hmm scumm wants to use framebuffer device.. urg i think i check configuration |
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| 22:37.40 | bolt | niklaswe: do you have /dev/sda2 in your fstab? |
| 22:37.48 | niklaswe | bolt: yupp |
| 22:37.53 | mo2000 | jelly-hme: (maybe dumb Q) where can i check differences in kernel-config from -19 to -21 ? |
| 22:37.59 | bolt | niklaswe: which filesystem is on it? |
| 22:38.16 | niklaswe | xfs on both sda1 and sda2 |
| 22:38.19 | karme | StarG_: first test with something like xclock |
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| 22:39.00 | bolt | niklaswe: hm.. then i'm not sure why that message would appear, sorry. try asking the channel instead of me directly, perhaps. |
| 22:39.10 | karme | StarG_: not all apps work well with remote X (some games want shared memory extension, ...) |
| 22:39.20 | niklaswe | bolt: okey |
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| 22:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | I routinely run kde applications remotely, allowing me to manage all my stuff from my laptop. |
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| 22:50.13 | StarG_ | well scummvm is told to use x11 through sdl |
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| 22:51.36 | karme | StarG_: problem solved? |
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| 22:55.21 | zorrolero | Brack10: any success? |
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| 22:58.04 | berbz | Ksplice is amazing, that is all. |
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| 22:59.28 | SimManiac | man ksplice |
| 22:59.31 | SimManiac | oops |
| 22:59.33 | SimManiac | wrong window |
| 22:59.33 | SimManiac | :P |
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| 23:00.24 | berbz | haha |
| 23:00.40 | berbz | http://www.ksplice.com/ |
| 23:00.40 | SimManiac | is it some kind of KDE frontend for splice? |
| 23:00.47 | berbz | No, :P |
| 23:01.09 | SimManiac | aaahhh fscking virtualbox!!!! |
| 23:01.20 | SimManiac | it just hangs on squeeze when trying to install a netinst |
| 23:01.21 | SimManiac | damn |
| 23:01.22 | SimManiac | :( |
| 23:01.55 | berbz | It's an integrated patch utility that loads patches as modules (or if you've paid enough through other methods) so if your kernel is vulnerable you patch it with ksplice and bam, no reboots. |
| 23:02.02 | berbz | This is personally good for me. |
| 23:02.30 | dondelelcaro | berbz: the problem is that it doesn't always work reliably |
| 23:02.39 | berbz | Beg to differ sir. |
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| 23:04.29 | berbz | I have it in production, with some minor changes for my specific purposes by the ksplice team and it has been quiet successful. |
| 23:04.54 | dondelelcaro | berbz: it works fine for specific sets of patches; there are a large set where it doesn't |
| 23:05.01 | dondelelcaro | but if it works for you, great |
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| 23:05.27 | berbz | What set of patches does it not work with? |
| 23:05.51 | berbz | Out of curiosity, that is ^^ |
| 23:06.09 | dondelelcaro | berbz: it has issues if you change large swaths of data structures |
| 23:06.56 | berbz | Is that in the implementation of the patch or the conversion of the patch, if you happen to know? |
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| 23:07.34 | acidslep | my usb is very screwy! |
| 23:07.40 | berbz | That sucks. |
| 23:07.48 | acidslep | why does it reset usb devices? |
| 23:07.52 | streuner | USB sucks sometimes, sure |
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| 23:08.32 | streuner | well, /me had a broken USB-HUB, the new one solves everything |
| 23:08.41 | acidslep | hmm |
| 23:09.08 | acidslep | I belive that is a problem here, using a usb2.0 pci card. will reboot and mess with hardware shortly. |
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| 23:16.00 | bier_ | re |
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| 23:16.43 | Mish- | I want a rsync commandline to copy everything from the root of one server to the local server over SSH, with recursion, permissions, groups, symlinks, the works... Anyone have one on hand? |
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| 23:17.02 | luke-jr | Mish-: you'll need to bind mount it somewhere else first |
| 23:17.16 | Mish- | luke-jr, over ssh |
| 23:17.27 | luke-jr | Mish-: just a regular bind mount |
| 23:17.44 | luke-jr | eg, (on the remote server): mount --bind / /mnt |
| 23:18.03 | Mish- | Er? Why? |
| 23:18.08 | luke-jr | then locally do: rsync -vaHAX remoteserver:/mnt/ /path/to/local/mirror/ |
| 23:18.18 | luke-jr | Mish-: because otherwise things like /proc and /dev will interfere |
| 23:18.39 | Mish- | luke-jr: I'm going to exclude those with a exclusions file |
| 23:18.51 | luke-jr | you might need to rsync root@remoteserver, to be sure you have permissions for everything |
| 23:19.05 | luke-jr | Mish-: at least /dev probably has real files under the mount |
| 23:19.05 | Mish- | luke-jr: I'm just after an example for the options I mentioned |
| 23:19.16 | luke-jr | Mish-: -aHAX covers everything |
| 23:19.27 | Mish- | luke-jr: Cheers. |
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| 23:20.53 | Mish- | luke-jr: Ignoring that I'm wiping over one system with another (really, ignore that), does this like right: |
| 23:20.54 | Mish- | rsync --exclude-from=./exclusions.hv -aHAX ssh old.server:/ / |
| 23:21.01 | Mish- | like/look |
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| 23:21.22 | luke-jr | Mish-: sure; you may wish to include --delete too |
| 23:21.29 | Mish- | Oh? |
| 23:21.39 | luke-jr | that will attempt to delete files that don't exist on the remote server |
| 23:22.06 | Vasistha | I'm trying to ssh into a new host, and I'm getting this error: ssh: connect to host ***.com port 22: No route to host |
| 23:22.33 | luke-jr | Vasistha: what is ***.com? |
| 23:22.47 | Vasistha | luke-jr: well, I'd rather not say, but it's the domain. I could pm you |
| 23:23.11 | streuner | is the host up at all? |
| 23:23.21 | Vasistha | streuner: yeah, I can ftp and the web site is up |
| 23:23.26 | Mish- | Ahh, I'll leave that alone, I'm copying a virutalised machine to another type of VM, ignoring /dev/ /proc/ /initrd /boot /mnt /sys /etc/passwd,fstab,mtab (and others in etc). The machines are at the same patch level with the same distribution. Any tips? :) |
| 23:23.27 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:23.47 | luke-jr | Vasistha: sure |
| 23:24.15 | Vasistha | although... it's a virtual host, so when I ftp I use vhost4.lasvegas.net, but their support guys told me to use our domain name for ssh |
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| 23:24.54 | darkblue_B | hi - my debian 5 server is in California.. whats a good way to set the system clock to California time? |
| 23:25.05 | StarG_ | works charming... i needed to setup the sshd correctly |
| 23:25.14 | streuner | !set time |
| 23:25.14 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 23:25.15 | Vasistha | darkblue_B: tzconfig I tihnk ... there's a factoid on that |
| 23:25.24 | StarG_ | for -X support the server needs to have X11Forwarding yes |
| 23:26.03 | darkblue_B | I did install ntp - I thought it would be taken care of |
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| 23:26.48 | Vasistha | darkblue_B: so see the second part of the factoid, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 23:27.14 | stuckey | I'm trying to use recordmydesktop to make a short movie of what I see on my deaktop, but I only get like 3 frames per 20 seconds. |
| 23:27.23 | luke-jr | Vasistha: sorry, I have an interest in not doing anything to help such websites |
| 23:27.55 | Vasistha | luke-jr: it's my Dad's site, I know he's kind of a nut, but there's no ill intent. Your choice, though. |
| 23:27.58 | darkblue_B | Vasistha: aha that was it |
| 23:28.03 | darkblue_B | looks better now |
| 23:28.10 | darkblue_B | thx |
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| 23:36.10 | mrkiko | Hi all guys! ... Is it possible to have the ifup / ifdown system use the new iproute tools instead of the net-tools one? I ask this cause I'm not able to cross-compile net-tools right now |
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| 23:42.24 | mrkiko | ah ok - seeing the release date - noway |
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