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| 00:03.22 | don_pardon | what is the default sound driver in debian? |
| 00:03.27 | don_pardon | not alsa is it? |
| 00:03.55 | Zharf | sadly, yes |
| 00:04.17 | don_pardon | but there is no alsaconf |
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| 00:08.27 | izzyb | |Mike|, No, I'm not using stp |
| 00:10.49 | smacnay | Zharf, what sound driver are you hoping becomes standard? |
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| 00:11.44 | Zharf | oss4 |
| 00:12.57 | k\t | is there a pastebin that supports file upload or better yet, a pastebin for people in the linux console without X? |
| 00:13.30 | Zharf | k\t, there's a pastebin program |
| 00:13.37 | k\t | =\ |
| 00:13.45 | Zharf | it uploads to known pastebins |
| 00:13.55 | Zharf | dpkg, info pastebinit |
| 00:14.14 | k\t | pnopaste-cli ? |
| 00:14.22 | k\t | ok, i'll look it up |
| 00:14.35 | dpkg | pastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.11.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 344 kB |
| 00:14.39 | k\t | oh, there it is... |
| 00:14.49 | DEbiansqueeze | gnome docky has a pastebin plugin |
| 00:14.58 | k\t | Zharf: thanks so much? |
| 00:15.05 | Zharf | DEbiansqueeze, he doesn't have X |
| 00:15.09 | k\t | i have no X right now. |
| 00:15.16 | k\t | in the process though. |
| 00:15.29 | DEbiansqueeze | sucks to come in the middle my bad |
| 00:16.03 | k\t | dont worry! |
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| 00:16.22 | k\t | Zharf: are you familiar with bash scripting? |
| 00:16.43 | Zharf | a little but you should ask in #bash... I'm off to sleep |
| 00:16.43 | dondelelcaro | k\t: #bash is the place to ask about that |
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| 00:17.01 | |Mike| | k\t: depends :-) |
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| 00:17.50 | k\t | |Mike|: this should be easy... once i get pastebin going right... |
| 00:18.33 | niCe | i'd like to make a test, how much Memory i can use, i'm running a virtual maschine and i have the fealing that the set memory limit doesn't realy work |
| 00:18.54 | |Mike| | free -m |
| 00:19.22 | k\t | |Mike|: are you familiar with how slock works? |
| 00:19.45 | |Mike| | k\t: not really, but maybe i might do :) |
| 00:19.47 | niCe | sloCK? |
| 00:20.44 | k\t | |Mike|: if you can add any additional functions, please reply: http://pastebin.com/f2c5b0897 |
| 00:20.47 | k\t | yes, slock |
| 00:21.15 | smacnay | Zharf, tell me why it should supersede alsa? I am not at all familiar with oss4 (didn't know it even existed). |
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| 00:21.35 | k\t | im stuck in a console for awhile and i need a screen lock... =\ |
| 00:22.00 | k\t | just wondering if i needed to add any additional functions... |
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| 00:23.02 | Zharf | smacnay, alsa being all messy, broken, unusable (especially from coders point of view), requires all sorts of hacks and tricks to make it work (which some distributions try to "hide")... I think oss4 is way better alternative... it just needs some attention and better range of hardware support |
| 00:23.05 | niCe | it seams so that i can't use the memory that schoul'd be there, with "htop" it shows me 6,8 GB free Memory, but i can't start a application that needs max 1 GB |
| 00:23.07 | |Mike| | clueban. |
| 00:23.36 | k\t | that should be vlock -a |
| 00:23.43 | niCe | i think the problem is because it's in a vm and the memory settings are incorect |
| 00:23.53 | niCe | http://nopaste.info/e9bc7fe45d_nl.html |
| 00:23.58 | niCe | anyone can help? |
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| 00:26.33 | k\t | ok, gotta get X working: thanks for the tip Zharf: l8r chan. |
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| 00:30.31 | enyawix | any way to hack debian into a cisco router? |
| 00:30.55 | enyawix | i have a cisco 877w i bought for school |
| 00:31.26 | enyawix | prays to google for knowledge |
| 00:32.26 | dondelelcaro | enyawix: depends on the hardware, but if you can run linux on it, you may be able to |
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| 00:33.43 | smacnay | Zharf, thanks - I am reading up on it right now |
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| 00:35.32 | Spreadsheet_ | What is the difference between debian.net and debian.org |
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| 00:35.58 | bikcmp | Spreadsheet_: no clue |
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| 00:38.30 | smv | i see there is a firmware-linux-free package. what exactly that means? will that make the kernel 'blob free' or just move around the components that are not DFSG compliant? |
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| 00:39.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | smv: look at its description |
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| 00:41.37 | smv | i did. i still don't get it... |
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| 00:42.46 | Devastator | I have ADSL service with static ip, everytime computer reboots or shutdown (like a power loss) and modem is on, it configures eth0 properly, but then I need to "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" to be able to access internet, is there a way to "force" ip release or delete iface's lease at startup or during normal shutdown? |
| 00:43.02 | Devastator | sorry about my english.. |
| 00:43.06 | themill | smv: firmware-linux-free is in "main", meaning it has to be dfsg-free. Contrast this to firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 00:43.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | This package contains firmware which was previously included in the Linux kernel and which is compliant with the Debian Free Software Guidelines. |
| 00:43.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Most firmware previously included in the Linux kernel is non-free and has been moved to the firmware-linux-nonfree package. |
| 00:43.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm not convinced you did read the desription. seems pretty clear |
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| 00:47.07 | smv | actually i did read it before comming here. but i still don't get it. why does it have to be a packages since is DFSG compliant? and since i can use the kernel without it, looking at the files included i'm sure i can, why am i forced to install it? |
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| 00:49.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | are you forced to? its not a dependancy of linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-vserver-686-bigmem (for example) |
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| 00:54.28 | Devastator | Well, maybe I should explain better: DSL modem with static ip (ip is configured on the modem and is passed by modem's dhcp"), computer running debian lenny 5.0.4, during a power loss or abrupt reboot, it configures eth0 properly but no internet until "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" manually |
| 00:54.44 | Devastator | maybe it got ip from lease file and doesn't set routes? |
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| 00:56.19 | smv | Kamping_Kaiser, err, my mistake. sorry for this. is recommend not deppend. but still... |
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| 01:02.00 | Tramp | Devastator: unlikely. A cached lease includes all options passed, including the gateway. |
| 01:02.29 | Tramp | Devastator: so if you reboot, eth0 is configured with an IP but you don't have a gateway? |
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| 01:02.56 | Devastator | Tramp didn't checked, but I can't use internet |
| 01:03.16 | smacnay | Zharf, you running oss4? Is it hard to set up? |
| 01:03.26 | smacnay | Zharf, any issues with certain apps? |
| 01:03.31 | Tramp | well. Sure would be helpful if you'd know what exactly is wrong. But for a start you can pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:03.59 | Devastator | Tramp if computer reboots and modem stays on, problems.. if computer reboots, modem is turned after it reboots, all fine |
| 01:05.46 | Devastator | Tramp the computer in question is actually my company router, I don't have access to it until tomorrow, but I have this on interfaces: "auto eth1 / iface eth1 inet dhcp", at least for the iface used by the modem |
| 01:06.30 | Tramp | above you talked about eth0$ |
| 01:07.21 | Devastator | Tramp I didn't want to give all details, but... |
| 01:07.37 | Devastator | maybe is something wrong with the nic? |
| 01:08.41 | Tramp | well, details are central in debugging. Without (1) the execat interfaces file (2) the reason for the problem (IP, route, nameserver...) this won't go anywhere |
| 01:10.02 | Devastator | Tramp let me try to make a hist line: I builded the first router with debian sarge and all was fine, then updated to etch and problem started. Today I retired old router and put a new one running debian lenny 5.0.4, but same nic and problem remains.. |
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| 01:12.03 | Tramp | well, I at least, can't help without more information. Since Debian networking works for most people, having just the release as information is not sufficient. |
| 01:12.07 | macrobat | how do i add aim buddies to an aim transport with jabber? im using gajim and bitlbee |
| 01:12.57 | Devastator | Tramp you need route info and what more? |
| 01:13.56 | Devastator | I'm going there tomorrow so I can get whatever you want, but will not be able to test it from home :( |
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| 01:14.54 | Tramp | Devastator: at least: (1) the interfaces file (2) the output of ifconfig -an after reboot (3) the output of ip route show (or netstat -nr) after reboot. And then still this may not lead to a conclusive result |
| 01:15.14 | Tramp | Devastator: so you better ask while you're at the sytem |
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| 01:17.09 | Devastator | Tramp can you tell me your timezone? here is 23:16pm |
| 01:17.11 | Tramp | Devastator: and you may also check the logs for messages from your dhcp client (dhcp3 or dhclient or whatever) |
| 01:17.11 | aphlpskr | Hello, I've gotten a new Debian-LAMP server and I wanted to ask if I did enough to secure it so I may "release it into the wild", aka let others access it: I changed the root PW in mysql, I chrooted all users in their home directories (FTP), I set the php.ini to recommended and I disabled ssh for everybody but me. |
| 01:17.27 | aphlpskr | Is there still something to do left or am I ready? |
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| 01:17.36 | Tramp | Devastator: UTC+1 |
| 01:17.52 | Devastator | hum.. 4 hours ahead.. |
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| 01:18.55 | rgr | what does it mean to "chroot" all users in their home dir? What users? |
| 01:19.01 | Devastator | I'll be at the office in about 9 or 10 hours, I don't think you will be here :( |
| 01:19.22 | Tramp | Devastator: well, just ask in the channel - there are knowledgeabe people around all the time |
| 01:19.33 | Tramp | I think |
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| 01:20.13 | aphlpskr | rgr, I set the DefaultRoot to ~ for all FTP users so they can't access anything via FTP except their home dir |
| 01:20.47 | rgr | oh I see. |
| 01:20.56 | rgr | The why take off ssh access for them? |
| 01:21.15 | aphlpskr | They don't need it |
| 01:21.17 | rgr | can that not similarly rooted? |
| 01:21.41 | aphlpskr | They don't need ssh, it's just a webserver, they should upload their files and view them on the web and use PHP and MYSQL |
| 01:21.47 | rgr | fwiw, I think the debian defaults err on the conservative side and tend to be safe enough. |
| 01:22.27 | rgr | well, yeah but what better way to upload than maybe using an ssh git repo for instance or scp using ssh keys. |
| 01:22.58 | aphlpskr | But it will not be necessairy, this is just difficult to configure when they already have FTP which is enough |
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| 01:25.04 | aphlpskr | And I was told to deactivate features I don't need so to be safe. So is my configuration safe enough? |
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| 01:29.36 | aphlpskr | Because being somehow exploited would absolutely be the worst case |
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| 01:30.32 | Devastator | Tramp is there something I could put on pre-up to release old ips before getting it? |
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| 01:32.14 | rgr | ssh is no less safe than ftp imo. they can only access their dirs anyway. ssh doesnt suddenly give them magic root access. Most hosts allow you to setup ssh key to upload web content. |
| 01:32.25 | rgr | but my guess is : yes. |
| 01:32.32 | aphlpskr | well but ssh allows them to execute stuff |
| 01:32.53 | aphlpskr | And I don't need that for them, they should just upload files. |
| 01:33.01 | aphlpskr | Thank you for your assessment, I'll let the server off the leash |
| 01:33.58 | Devastator | Tramp well, I don't know, because it's strange, I type ifconfig eth1, the ip is there but can't ping addresses or ips, then I ifdown/ifup, get the same ip but now I can open sites, ping addresses and ips |
| 01:34.36 | Tramp | Devastator: then it's almost certainly the missing default-route. |
| 01:35.03 | Tramp | Devastator: but before you ask: I don't know why it would be missing. |
| 01:35.44 | Devastator | Tramp Do you think a bad nic could cause this? |
| 01:36.11 | Tramp | I doubt it. |
| 01:36.41 | Devastator | me too.. |
| 01:37.08 | Devastator | I just said because that nic came from the other computer and is doing the same thing.. |
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| 01:37.52 | sepult | god beware me when i put any package managers here on again... |
| 01:37.52 | Mark22 | rgr: for as far as I see in the webhosting branche ssh is normally not given |
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| 01:38.03 | sepult | grrrrr..... |
| 01:38.16 | rgr | not a far as I see it. I know because I have ssh on my host. |
| 01:38.39 | Mark22 | aphlpskr: using a good ftp server should be enough |
| 01:38.46 | Mark22 | rgr: and how many hosts did you check? |
| 01:38.51 | rgr | good enough for what? |
| 01:39.06 | aphlpskr | Mark22 i have a standard proftpd |
| 01:39.14 | Mark22 | for what he wants (letting people upload things to certain directories) |
| 01:39.25 | rgr | Mark22 : none. Just the ones I have (debian) and the one I rent. I use nothing but ssh to upload. ftp sucks quite frankly. |
| 01:40.14 | rgr | playing devils advocate a little - I really dont see the issue with allowing ssh access. Its still secure since they only have their account rights. |
| 01:40.15 | Mark22 | aphlpskr: should they be able to upload to their own home directory (including subdirecroties)(/home/user/*) or also to other directories? |
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| 01:40.43 | Mark22 | rgr: the less access you give to do things the better it is in my opinion |
| 01:40.52 | aphlpskr | no Mark22, their home directories are in /var/www and they should only upload to their home directory and not into any other home dir. |
| 01:41.20 | Arrowmaster | if the home dir is the web root then yes disable ssh |
| 01:41.43 | Mark22 | rgr: for the 40 webhosting companies I know only 2 give ssh access to shared hosting clients (all others only provide ftp with shared hosting, but ssh when you have a vps or dedicated server) |
| 01:41.55 | Arrowmaster | a .bash_history being readable from the web would be horrible |
| 01:42.11 | Mark22 | Arrowmaster: I totally agree |
| 01:42.26 | aphlpskr | Arrowmaster the home dir is not /var/www, but /var/www/username, but I disabled SSH anyway for anybody but me. |
| 01:43.14 | Mark22 | aphlpskr: give the user a home directory in /var/www (you could do this for system users, but a system user doesn't need to have ssh) and use standard proftpd to lookup system users for connecting |
| 01:43.36 | Mark22 | that is the easiest way I think to set it up for you (or look for something with a database backend to configure it) |
| 01:43.38 | Arrowmaster | i used to have ssh access on a shared host but then it got disabled again but im in no position to complain, we havent paid the host in years and are still using multiple gigs of their drive space |
| 01:43.53 | aphlpskr | what do you mean with system user? Me? |
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| 01:44.45 | Mark22 | you could create system users with the adduser command on the commandline |
| 01:45.07 | aphlpskr | Yes I have created one |
| 01:45.21 | aphlpskr | when I installed the server there was only root |
| 01:45.32 | aphlpskr | so i created the user 'nonroot' just for me |
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| 01:45.50 | aphlpskr | and I use it to administer the box, and if I need root privileges for something I temporarily sudo |
| 01:45.56 | Mark22 | ok |
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| 01:47.33 | aphlpskr | Thanks a lot for your help, I'm done and I'll go to sleep now |
| 01:47.35 | aphlpskr | good night |
| 01:48.51 | Devastator | abrotman sorry to bother you directly, but is there some bug report regarding dsl static ip service and not being able of use internet after a power loss or a reboot with the modem powered on? |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | sounds omre like a hardware issue .. i know of nothing related |
| 01:49.48 | Mark22 | Devastator: you could add a network restart (or stop and start) at the end of the boot |
| 01:49.56 | Mark22 | as a work around |
| 01:50.55 | Devastator | abrotman like a failing nic? because it works fine after I issue "ifdown/ifup"... it also works fine if pc boots first, then modem is turned on.. |
| 01:51.24 | Devastator | Mark22 what about something on pre-up? |
| 01:52.15 | Mark22 | do you know the mac address the modem had (internally)? |
| 01:52.21 | Mark22 | or doesn't it have 1? |
| 01:53.00 | Devastator | Mark22 I will have to check, I'm not in front of it atm |
| 01:53.37 | Mark22 | try to ping it with arping when you have an internet connection and when you don't have it |
| 01:53.57 | Mark22 | so you can look where the problem probably is |
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| 01:54.45 | Mark22 | also look for ip information (and the mac address) of the router just outside your home/building (the one you connect to with your dsl connection) to see if you can ping/arping that system |
| 01:54.57 | Mark22 | starting with what it is not is the best option I think |
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| 01:56.05 | Devastator | Mark22 can you give me the arp syntax I might type? |
| 01:56.27 | Devastator | (23:53:13) <Mark22> try to ping it with arping when you have an internet connection and when you don't have it |
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| 01:58.22 | Mark22 | Devastator: moment, I'll look it up |
| 01:59.12 | Mark22 | arping -S [system ip] -c 5 [target mac address] |
| 01:59.26 | Mark22 | 5 packages should be enough |
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| 02:01.42 | Devastator | Mark22 sorry if I sound dumb but... like this? arping -s ip_dhcp_gave_me -c 5 mac_of_modem |
| 02:03.29 | Mark22 | yes |
| 02:03.51 | Mark22 | or arping -s [your mac address] -c 5 [target mac address] |
| 02:04.16 | Mark22 | please note that capitals matter (case sensitive) |
| 02:05.00 | Mark22 | arping isn't standard with debian if i am correct (install it with: apt-get install arping -y) |
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| 02:06.08 | Devastator | Mark22 modem is directly connected to this computer, it's actually my router, so I don't think I need the router "just outside my home/building" if I got it.. |
| 02:06.20 | Devastator | s/got it/understood it |
| 02:06.27 | Devastator | right? |
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| 02:07.18 | Mark22 | well you need to know if your computer can connect to the modem and if yes if it could find the router of your isp |
| 02:07.49 | Devastator | humm.. understood.. |
| 02:08.09 | Mark22 | your system does use dhcp and it has a dynamic ip? |
| 02:08.54 | rgr | Is anyone aware of an xorg fix or workaround for the intel onboard chip 82830 in squeeze? Currently stuck in dog slow vesa mode. |
| 02:08.55 | Mark22 | in that case you could also try to re-request an ip using dhcp |
| 02:09.21 | Devastator | Mark22 my system does use dhcp but is static, actually is configured inside the modem like this: dhcp pool start: ip / dhcp pool end: same ip as start |
| 02:09.45 | Devastator | I didn't configured it, was my isp.. |
| 02:10.32 | Mark22 | does your system get an ip after you reboot it? |
| 02:11.08 | Devastator | Mark22 If I reboot while modem is still on, I get it, but can't ping addresses or ips |
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| 02:11.53 | Devastator | I need to: 1) ifdown/ifup OR 2) Turn off modem, reboot computer, turn on modem |
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| 02:12.06 | yagoo | Devastator, maybe your route or firewall is not setup right.. check (route ) |
| 02:12.22 | Mark22 | try using arping to see what works and if that doesn't work re-request the dhcp details |
| 02:12.38 | Mark22 | both could give an idea about where to look |
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| 02:13.21 | yagoo | Mark22, he says he got his dynamic ip |
| 02:13.43 | yagoo | Devastator, what's your route table? |
| 02:13.58 | Mark22 | yagoo: I know, but some modems/routers don't work as expected |
| 02:14.21 | Devastator | Mark22 well, the lease is way long, that's why I think it get the ip from a lease file instead of requesting it to the modem again, because when I ifdown, it releases ip |
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| 02:14.33 | Devastator | my service is adsl static |
| 02:14.48 | Devastator | it uses dhcp but is static |
| 02:14.59 | Devastator | static.. fixed ip |
| 02:15.03 | yagoo | Devastator, you can use tcpdump that can show any dhcp offers |
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| 02:15.47 | Devastator | yagoo when I boot from a power loss for an example, I have no internet access, but iface is configured properly.. |
| 02:15.48 | s-c | brenden_: ne snow |
| 02:17.15 | yagoo | Devastator, so what part is not working, the computer or the modem? |
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| 02:18.08 | Devastator | yagoo that's what I want to know.. because after I "ifdown/ifup" it gets the same ip (of course, because it is static) but then internet works.. |
| 02:18.45 | yagoo | Devastator, what do you mean by "power loss", a fluctuation drop? |
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| 02:19.14 | yagoo | Devastator, so internet only works if you manually ifdown/ifup ? |
| 02:19.33 | Devastator | yagoo yes, or if I reboot computer with modem off, then turn modem on |
| 02:20.56 | yagoo | Devastator, perhaps you can force a confifile/script setting somewhere to wait X seconds or minutes before attempting dhcp, eg: wait 30 seconds after link is up, to try dhcp |
| 02:20.57 | Devastator | crazy huh!? |
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| 02:21.46 | Devastator | where dhclient stores leases? |
| 02:22.02 | yagoo | Devastator, try to have "allow-hotplug <eth>" and "auto <eth>" in the interfaces file |
| 02:22.50 | yagoo | Devastator, do you have a data-link light on your network card or mobo? |
| 02:22.59 | Devastator | yes, I have |
| 02:23.17 | Devastator | and I also have those lines on /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:23.18 | yagoo | Devastator, so setup a timeout for dhcp |
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| 02:23.50 | yagoo | (not for the lease) |
| 02:24.10 | Devastator | yagoo I have a hunch it's the lease, but if it is.. what could I do? :( |
| 02:24.39 | yagoo | look in dhcp's config file/manpage, there's probably a timeout option for waiting for a dhcpoffer |
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| 02:24.50 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 02:25.24 | yagoo | and look for anything related that can help.. maybe netplugd |
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| 02:25.55 | Devastator | alright |
| 02:26.01 | Devastator | tomorrow is time to debug this.. |
| 02:26.04 | yagoo | lol |
| 02:26.12 | yagoo | Devastator, what modem is this? |
| 02:26.19 | johnfg | I downloaded and burned debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso to do a fresh install. But I'm getting an error. Is this the right iso? |
| 02:26.51 | yagoo | johnfg, did you verify the burn with the burner app? |
| 02:26.52 | johnfg | The error was about a missing file. |
| 02:27.21 | johnfg | yagoo, Yeah, but I never saw the error about 1 missing file like this. |
| 02:27.41 | yagoo | johnfg, maybe it's benign, what is the "error" ? |
| 02:27.55 | johnfg | I got no errors when I burned it, and the size checks out, too. Is that the correct iso? |
| 02:28.20 | johnfg | yagoo, Sorry, didn't write it down, and I'll have to reboot to try it again, then come back. |
| 02:29.19 | yagoo | johnfg, at what point was the error, on the second reboot, during the last phase of copying files, setting up something dialog ? |
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| 02:30.15 | deuterium | yagoo: thanks for your hints. i've tried it with a linux-livecd and the file name "blö" was still listed as "bl?". so it must be related to debian lenny (perhaps its xen kernel?) |
| 02:30.17 | Devastator | this is exactly my problem, the op never said if it was solved or not :| http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6994 |
| 02:30.43 | yagoo | Devastator, what are you on, potato? |
| 02:30.54 | Devastator | yagoo lenny 5.0.4 |
| 02:31.05 | Devastator | potato lol, that was 2.2 :P |
| 02:31.29 | yagoo | Devastator, that post is 2007 |
| 02:31.42 | johnfg | yagoo, Nope, pretty much at the start, after the first 3 questions. I've installed debian so many times, but never had that type of error. Have had bad burns, but not quite like this. |
| 02:31.59 | Da_Wrecka | Great. Thanks, ndiswrapper wiki. Tell me to check a page that doesn't exist. Lovely. |
| 02:32.07 | yagoo | johnfg, strange |
| 02:32.15 | yagoo | johnfg, do a sector test on the harddisk |
| 02:32.17 | deuterium | Anonine: thanks for helping |
| 02:32.26 | smacnay | anyone using oss4 over alsa? I am trying to determine if it is a move worth making and if my sound card is even supported. |
| 02:32.44 | yagoo | deuterium, did u try to use hexedit? |
| 02:32.54 | Devastator | seems like something broked for me between sarge and etch :( |
| 02:33.22 | Da_Wrecka | I'd still like to know why inserting my WNIC prevents the wired NIC from receiving packets. I've checked, and the route table remains the same regardless of whether the WNIC is inserted or not. Has anyone got any ideas? |
| 02:33.37 | yagoo | Devastator, you mean between lenny and etch |
| 02:33.53 | yagoo | Devastator, lenny is the latest |
| 02:34.14 | Devastator | yagoo no, sarge and etch, old computer, same problem, new computer, fresh lenny install, same problem |
| 02:34.26 | Devastator | the only thing it's common is the nic |
| 02:34.36 | yagoo | Devastator, so change the cable, get a cable tester |
| 02:34.58 | Devastator | yagoo cable is also new :( |
| 02:35.11 | yagoo | Devastator, so change the modem :) |
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| 02:35.25 | Devastator | hum.. that would be hard.. |
| 02:35.39 | yagoo | Devastator, that's why i asked what type of modem it is |
| 02:35.59 | Devastator | yagoo normal dsl modem, thomson v6 |
| 02:36.22 | some_random | i have completely backed up my old debian server, which consisted of 2 lvm's. i'm going to swipe the server, start from scratch, make 5 lvm's, mount them proper, and i want to restore to them. how to tell the restored os about the new lvm's? thanks! |
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| 02:37.00 | sepult | haha |
| 02:37.09 | sepult | that will fail |
| 02:37.17 | sepult | you hashes will be mingled |
| 02:37.25 | yagoo | Devastator, are you going to try the thing about that url? |
| 02:37.30 | sepult | lvm is encrypted ? |
| 02:37.57 | Devastator | yagoo check rc1.d rc2.d etc? |
| 02:37.59 | Devastator | yes |
| 02:38.02 | yagoo | sepult, lvm is just a place holder.. |
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| 02:38.27 | Devastator | but.. I already do what is said on that url |
| 02:38.33 | sepult | yagoo: not if you start with a cd, which offers encryting your lvms |
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| 02:39.07 | sepult | yagoo: i'm not sure how he wants to do it, just reformat ? and copy over ? |
| 02:39.08 | yagoo | sepult, never used encryption, i have a monkey with a shotgun in the closet |
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| 02:39.22 | deuterium | yagoo: yes and there the code used depends on the ls option used. if i use ls blä>1.txt, then the ä is correct (code: e4), if i use ls -q blä>3.txt, then the code is incorrect (code: 3f) |
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| 02:39.51 | some_random | basically, swipe the drive, make new lvm's, mount them proper, like /var, /tmp, etc, and copy over the old os |
| 02:40.00 | deuterium | yagoo: might this actually be a problem of ls even? |
| 02:40.37 | some_random | cp -aR /oldosbackupcomplete/ / <-- something like this |
| 02:41.03 | yagoo | deuterium, the ls -q "bla'" >3.txt isn't your file |
| 02:41.28 | yagoo | deuterium, does it list a file in both situations prior ">" ? |
| 02:41.44 | yagoo | deuterium, ^ ? |
| 02:41.48 | Devastator | well, tomorrow I will get more info |
| 02:41.50 | Devastator | thanks guys |
| 02:42.01 | Devastator | I'm going to bed |
| 02:42.04 | Devastator | gn all.. |
| 02:42.07 | yagoo | Devastator, bye |
| 02:42.09 | yagoo | good luck |
| 02:42.10 | yagoo | :) |
| 02:42.17 | Devastator | thanks :D |
| 02:42.25 | yagoo | Devastator, just make sure the routing table goes up |
| 02:42.43 | yagoo | Devastator, which is what my second question, but nways.. good luck :) |
| 02:43.20 | deuterium | yagoo: oh ok. no it actually displays "bl�", i.e. the 3rd char looks like an empty square in putty |
| 02:43.23 | Devastator | lots of resets and reboots tomorrow.. |
| 02:43.38 | yagoo | lol |
| 02:43.41 | deuterium | yagoo: i.e. "ls bl�" |
| 02:44.25 | yagoo | deuterium, that's not was in the table i saw.. |
| 02:45.06 | yagoo | http://www.utf8-chartable.de/ (c3 a4) |
| 02:46.02 | yagoo | i believe this table is correct, but i believe it's the third column for the hex value, is it not? |
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| 02:49.23 | deuterium | yagoo: yes, i don't know the unicode code for this square. but when i do a "ls bl� > 4.txt" and hexedit 4.txt, the code shown at the ä char is "e4" which is "ä". so that actually seems to be correct according to http://www.utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?number=1024. nonetheless, the file name is shown as "bl?" when i simply do a ls -l in the directory. |
| 02:50.25 | yagoo | deuterium, did you already check your locales? |
| 02:50.32 | yagoo | deuterium, what is LANG= ? |
| 02:50.53 | yagoo | !locales |
| 02:50.54 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 02:51.00 | deuterium | yagoo: yes, they're all set to en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 02:51.21 | yagoo | deuterium, did u try dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 02:51.39 | deuterium | yagoo: yes, including login again |
| 02:51.40 | yagoo | deuterium, and are you trying it under xterm? xterm i trust |
| 02:51.53 | yagoo | xterm/ssh |
| 02:52.42 | deuterium | yagoo: i can't use xterm currently as i booted into windoze again. but i used xterm on the live-cd and "blä" was also shown as "bl?" |
| 02:53.19 | deuterium | yagoo: kernel is Linux Debian-50-lenny-64-minimal 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
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| 02:54.31 | yagoo | deuterium, en_US english, I never seen that a' in the english language, perhaps you can try to use a more wide scope UTF8 locale option |
| 02:55.24 | yagoo | deuterium, see if en_US.UTF-8 truncates these characters |
| 02:55.45 | yagoo | but that means finding its table from somewhere |
| 02:55.58 | deuterium | yagoo: so just "UTF-8" instead of "en_US.UTF-8"? |
| 02:56.21 | yagoo | well choose it from the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:56.22 | deuterium | let's see whether i can set this with dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 02:56.30 | yagoo | deuterium, did you try this? |
| 02:56.32 | \amethyst | the filename might be latin1-encoded |
| 02:57.17 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:58.34 | deuterium | yagoo: i can't choose "UTF-8" to be generated as there isn't any "UTF-8" to choose from. only "en_XY.UTF-8" etc. |
| 02:59.42 | \amethyst | deuterium: maybe what you need is en_US.iso88591 |
| 02:59.54 | \amethyst | deuterium: you mentioned earlier that it was showing up as a single byte |
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| 03:00.24 | yagoo | deuterium, try selecting iso8859-1, i have two selected here |
| 03:00.42 | deuterium | \amethyst: are you sure? that wouldn't be a UTF-8 charset, right? i thought utf-8 would always include all umlauts. |
| 03:00.58 | \amethyst | deuterium: I think the problem is that you have a filename that's not utf-8 encoded |
| 03:01.04 | yagoo | deuterium, well if you can find the en_us.utf8 table |
| 03:01.11 | \amethyst | which is why it's showing up funny in a utf-8 locale |
| 03:01.12 | deuterium | yagoo, \amethyst ok, i give it a try |
| 03:01.17 | \amethyst | actually |
| 03:01.18 | \amethyst | moment |
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| 03:02.15 | yagoo | deuterium, can you try echo <filename> then hexedit? |
| 03:02.31 | yagoo | deuterium, i'm not sure how to turn off ls coloring and all its other control output |
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| 03:03.20 | yagoo | (eg: echo abc* >a.txt) |
| 03:03.29 | yagoo | but if ur past that nmind |
| 03:03.40 | Tramp | ls | od x |
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| 03:04.28 | \amethyst | without -q of course |
| 03:04.31 | deuterium | \amethyst, yagoo: i've set iso8859-1 as default, but that didn't change this strange behaviour (after logout-login) |
| 03:04.44 | deuterium | yagoo: i try |
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| 03:05.26 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: utf8 should work; you may need to use uxterm instead of normal xterm |
| 03:05.43 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: and generally speaking, you want en_US.UTF-8 (or whatever en_?? is appropriate) |
| 03:05.52 | dondelelcaro | there's pretty much no reason to use iso8859-1 anymore |
| 03:06.49 | deuterium | hexedit of "echo bl� >a.txt" is: 62 6C E4 0A |
| 03:07.03 | dondelelcaro | that's utf8 |
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| 03:07.27 | dondelelcaro | err, no, it's not; sorry |
| 03:07.41 | dondelelcaro | that's iso8859-1 |
| 03:08.01 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: i've set en_US.UTF-8 as locale again |
| 03:08.04 | nsdy | 请é®è¿ä¸ªé¢éæä¸å½äººå |
| 03:08.09 | yagoo | deuterium, is the next one, 'c3' ? |
| 03:08.16 | yagoo | nm |
| 03:08.26 | dondelelcaro | and you're using uxterm? what's your terminal? |
| 03:08.28 | deuterium | yagoo: there's no next one |
| 03:08.42 | nsdy | 请é®è¿ä¸ªé¢éæä¸å½äººå??? |
| 03:08.50 | dondelelcaro | nsdy: that's not valid utf8 |
| 03:08.59 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: currently it's putty as i'm running windoze. but with the live-cd it was xterm or gnome-terminal. |
| 03:09.01 | dondelelcaro | (or maybe it is; it appears as squares here) |
| 03:09.06 | sepult | more ucs2 or utf16 |
| 03:09.36 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: and does it display properly when you type it? |
| 03:09.40 | yagoo | deuterium, if its following that first column from that site table, then the character isnt a' |
| 03:10.05 | nsdy | <dondelelcaro>é£è¯·é®ä½ ç¥éé£ä¸ªé¢éæ¯ä¸æçï¼ï¼ï¼ |
| 03:10.07 | dondelelcaro | honeslty doesn't know much about windows encoding and how it interacts with putty et all |
| 03:10.10 | yagoo | deuterium, did u try another term? |
| 03:10.16 | Sergio` | Maybe he could try convmv |
| 03:10.29 | deuterium | dondelelcaro: when i type it, it appears like this, e.g.: ls bl� |
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| 03:10.41 | dondelelcaro | nsdy: Åö çâÃºÉ |
| 03:10.56 | deuterium | but i can enter äö etc. using putty |
| 03:11.06 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: yeah, that's because you're inputing iso8859 into a utf8 terminal, most likely |
| 03:11.27 | dondelelcaro | or something else odd |
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| 03:11.46 | deuterium | it's really strange indeed |
| 03:12.00 | nsdy | dondelelcaro> âÅö çâúÉâ You say this sentence in English or Chinese how to say |
| 03:12.22 | dondelelcaro | nsdy: it's "no clue" written in random utf8 characters |
| 03:12.48 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: but in any event, if you're using gnome terminal, with LANG=en_US.UTF-8, it should be working properly; if it's not, we can try to help you debug it, but removing issues with windows and putty would be a good first step |
| 03:13.44 | dondelelcaro | deuterium: that is, start with gnome terminal (or uxterm, or rxvt-unicode) running on the live cd. |
| 03:13.53 | nsdy | <dondelelcaro> ok thanks |
| 03:14.23 | yagoo | deuterium, stick with linux, if u exhausted everything from putty/win64 |
| 03:15.16 | yagoo | deuterium, you can also turn off putty's handling of drawing characters, or try to use the poor man's line drawing |
| 03:15.42 | yagoo | deuterium, thats under Window/translation (also change the char set on that dialog page) |
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| 03:16.04 | Arrowmaster | putty isnt set for utf8 by default afaik, you need to change the charset in the config |
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| 03:16.37 | Arrowmaster | plus you end up at the whim of the windows fonts as far as what glyphs work and what dont |
| 03:16.45 | yagoo | from what i understood he previously said he did, but maybe forgot to again.. |
| 03:16.51 | deuterium | yagoo, dondelelcaro: thanks a lot for your help! i think i have to continue debugging this issue after a nap i.e. in 8 hrs or so. i'll try boot linux using the live-cd and see whether i can find an irc client on the live-cd. |
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| 03:17.37 | yagoo | deuterium, did u try to have 8859-1 as the LANG ? |
| 03:17.51 | Arrowmaster | deuterium: you see the squares while using putty? |
| 03:17.52 | yagoo | deuterium, or try another xx-UTF8 to my guess |
| 03:17.53 | deuterium | Arrowmaster, nsdy, \amethyst, sepult: thanks too! |
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| 03:18.12 | deuterium | yagoo: yes.. tried 8859-1.. no change |
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| 03:18.27 | Arrowmaster | its probably the font you are using in putty |
| 03:18.29 | yagoo | deuterium, did u change the putty setting as well and relogin with it? |
| 03:18.51 | Arrowmaster | if the font doesnt have that glyph it will show as a square |
| 03:18.56 | deuterium | Arrowmaster: yes (and i've chosen "utf-8" as translation in putty.. so this should actually match the server locale setting) |
| 03:18.59 | yagoo | Arrowmaster, he knows |
| 03:19.07 | yagoo | actually he asked this a couple of hours ago |
| 03:19.43 | Arrowmaster | what im trying to say is that fonts in windows have a very bad habbit of not having good unicode coverage |
| 03:20.09 | yagoo | deuterium, there's an iso8859-1 translation setting in putty, that's the one to match the LANG |
| 03:20.13 | deuterium | Arrowmaster: if it were the font i couldn't quite explain why the same strange thing happened when i used xterm/gnome-terminal from a live-cd |
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| 03:20.56 | deuterium | yagoo: yes, i also adjusted the translation setting in putty when i changed the locale setting to iso8859-1 on the server |
| 03:21.40 | deuterium | i really don't know. i'm starting to believe it has sth to do with lenny's xen kernel. |
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| 03:21.56 | yagoo | deuterium, also be sure all LANG*= related (may not be nec) but for the hell of it |
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| 03:22.29 | deuterium | yagoo: yes, checked that. it was set for all lang* env vars.. |
| 03:22.51 | deuterium | err.. i meant for all lc_* env vars |
| 03:23.43 | deuterium | i have to check it in 8 hrs again.. thanks all! |
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| 03:24.42 | yagoo | okie, hope it works eventually :) |
| 03:24.55 | deuterium | too ;) |
| 03:25.10 | yagoo | (try turning off those exotic drawing characters :) |
| 03:25.27 | yagoo | the smiley is fine, but the putty poops that is :) |
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| 03:26.28 | deuterium | will try. |
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| 03:28.49 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 03:29.58 | Sergio` | deuterium: I don't know if this helps but when you people were showing utf8 characters, I was seeing diamonds and the same was happening to me in Wikipedia languages. I only use TTY, so I installed jfbterm and that solved my problem right now. |
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| 03:30.11 | vchrizz | what would be best way to track changes in filesystem? no need to track changes in files itself, just track of creation, deletion, modification of files |
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| 03:32.41 | kanobe | vchrizz: Sounds like a job for FAM (file alteration monitor). Don't know much about it though. |
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| 03:34.50 | vchrizz | kanobe: when googling i just found some info about dnotify and inotify but as they were older pages im not sure about it |
| 03:36.07 | kanobe | vchrizz: I think it's still supported... |
| 03:36.13 | kanobe | vchrizz: apt-cache show fileschanged |
| 03:36.24 | kanobe | vchrizz: Description: command-line utility that reports when files have been altered |
| 03:36.32 | kanobe | vchrizz: Uses fam. |
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| 03:38.23 | vchrizz | heh, ya, reading pkg desc already ;) |
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| 03:39.01 | Da_Wrecka | Hmm. It seems I have an old version of wireless-tools and ndiswrapper. Guess I'm downloading tarballs. |
| 03:39.09 | kanobe | vchrizz: hehehe |
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| 03:41.09 | Gratz474 | someone join |
| 03:41.17 | Gratz474 | 666 users |
| 03:41.32 | Gratz474 | there we go |
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| 03:41.41 | Gratz474 | uh oh |
| 03:41.42 | vchrizz | :D |
| 03:41.52 | Gratz474 | vchrizz: leave to save our soul |
| 03:42.04 | Gratz474 | heh |
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| 03:42.34 | vchrizz | now its ok again i think :P |
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| 03:44.01 | vchrizz | kanobe, thx btw.. as i understand fam is the server and i need fileschanged as client? |
| 03:44.28 | kanobe | vchrizz: Yeah, afaik |
| 03:44.46 | kanobe | vchrizz: Seems like fam is a daemon, and there's a client library that attaches to it |
| 03:45.03 | kanobe | vchrizz: And fileschanged is a command line tool that aconnects to the daemon using the library. |
| 03:45.16 | vchrizz | i wonder if inotify/dnotify or however would disturb each other if i install them all to try out |
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| 03:45.25 | kanobe | vchrizz: So if you were feeling adventurous you could write a c program that uses the library. |
| 03:45.36 | kanobe | vchrizz: Herm, not sure. |
| 03:46.15 | vchrizz | i could write a shell script, c is too much for me .. python is quite ok ;) |
| 03:46.42 | vchrizz | inotify has a interesting pkg desc |
| 03:46.49 | vchrizz | inotifywatch collects filesystem usage statistics and outputs counts of each inotify event. |
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| 03:47.16 | kanobe | vchrizz: huh |
| 03:47.19 | kanobe | vchrizz: interesting |
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| 03:47.36 | vchrizz | if its possible to see what file was created/deleted/changed on what date by what user, it would be completely enough |
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| 03:47.58 | kanobe | vchrizz: You know you may get a huge amount of logs from this |
| 03:48.06 | kanobe | vchrizz: You'll probably need some filtering |
| 03:48.17 | kanobe | vchrizz: Like ignore users such as root, nobody, www-data, etc |
| 03:48.27 | kanobe | vchrizz: Well maybe not www-data |
| 03:48.35 | mentor | Sigh, the first hit on Google for my search is the mail I just sent to a mailing list asking about it. |
| 03:48.35 | vchrizz | well there arent much changes, thats why im interested |
| 03:49.25 | kanobe | vchrizz: Ooh, haha you might get recursive events. Your script logs to a file, that generates a filesystem event, notifies your script, logs it to a file, .... |
| 03:49.33 | vchrizz | got a small webserver for private projects and am out for statistical fs changes but would like to see in detail too |
| 03:49.50 | kanobe | vchrizz: cool |
| 03:49.57 | vchrizz | ah that way |
| 03:50.01 | vchrizz | i see |
| 03:50.02 | vchrizz | hum |
| 03:51.15 | vchrizz | mentor: ... you "just" sent to a mailing list? how fast did google indexing get? |
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| 03:52.00 | mentor | vchrizz: Well, within the last 24 hours |
| 03:52.25 | mentor | vchrizz: I'm sure they've worked out how to index high volume mailing lists |
| 03:54.19 | vchrizz | i already noticed they are indexing all kind of mailing lists cause most times when i search for something i get same asking on any mailinglist |
| 03:55.02 | vchrizz | if its not a forum, its a mailing list ;) |
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| 04:14.53 | vlcn | hey guys |
| 04:14.59 | vlcn | I'm trying to troubleshoot a debian install |
| 04:15.18 | vlcn | could really use a hand figuring out whats up |
| 04:15.26 | vlcn | basically it won't recognize the ide controller |
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| 04:19.41 | vchrizz | vlcn: what is lspci saying? |
| 04:19.59 | vchrizz | do you know what controller it should be? |
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| 04:20.35 | vlcn | not sure, I just drop into a console and type that? |
| 04:20.42 | vchrizz | lspci |
| 04:20.44 | vlcn | its a Intel 865G chipset |
| 04:22.31 | vchrizz | hum, should be supported i think |
| 04:23.06 | mmind | looks like ata_piix is the driver |
| 04:23.22 | mmind | do `lsmod | grep ata_piix` |
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| 04:25.06 | vchrizz | what version of debian do you try to install? do you use actual sources (not some old cds/floppies/...?) |
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| 04:30.48 | vchrizz | does anyone has experience with ipmi? |
| 04:33.04 | vlcn | lspci says its an ich5 |
| 04:33.16 | vlcn | choosing piix from the list does not fix it |
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| 04:33.48 | vchrizz | vlcn: what debian version? |
| 04:33.53 | vlcn | oh sorry, Debian Lenny |
| 04:34.25 | vchrizz | what mainboard is that? |
| 04:34.37 | vchrizz | ive used lenny on some ich5 without problems? |
| 04:34.47 | vlcn | its an HP board |
| 04:34.55 | vchrizz | maybe tried different settings in bios? |
| 04:35.11 | vlcn | vchrizz: I have, I'm not sure what else to try |
| 04:35.20 | vlcn | I don't really have many options |
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| 04:36.36 | vlcn | the weird thing is Ubuntu 9.10 works fine |
| 04:36.57 | vchrizz | aha, try debian/testing ? |
| 04:37.08 | vlcn | I have not |
| 04:37.18 | vlcn | was hoping to use stable as this is going to be used as a server |
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| 04:37.48 | vchrizz | have a look at dmesg... |
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| 04:38.18 | Arafangion | Hello, I am having difficulty installing the nvidia binary drivers. How should I install them? My approach has been to use m-a, however that tool has been unable to compile the module. (I am running squeeze) |
| 04:38.19 | vchrizz | look out for errors, warnings regarding the chipset |
| 04:39.05 | vchrizz | vlcn: maybe there comes up some error telling why it doesnt recognize disk(s).. |
| 04:41.20 | vlcn | http://pastebin.com/m39ea425b |
| 04:41.37 | vlcn | http://pastebin.com/m3f9d0c68 |
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| 04:45.10 | therealgalen | I am running the latest debian-testing I need to rebuild my kernel to enable debugfs. Is there a standard build process for the debian kernel? I'd like to just rebuild the same kernel I have now (amd64-vserver) with the debugfs. I have already downloaded the kernel source from the repository. |
| 04:46.02 | pickcoder | !tell therealgalen about kp-mantra |
| 04:47.47 | Arafangion | Hmm, am I correct to believe that nvidia can't work on squeeze without backporting sid stuff? |
| 04:48.25 | vlcn | disk |
| 04:48.27 | vlcn | er |
| 04:48.28 | vlcn | ... |
| 04:48.53 | vlcn | 'Feb 5 23:25:50 kernel: [ 1.996160] hda: ST380011A, ATA DISK drive ' |
| 04:48.56 | vlcn | thats the drive |
| 04:49.43 | vlcn | Feb 5 23:25:50 kernel: [ 3.740311] ide0: probed IRQ 14 and default IRQ 14 failed. |
| 04:49.43 | vlcn | Feb 5 23:25:50 kernel: [ 3.740314] ide0: failed to initialize IDE interface |
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| 05:03.52 | vchrizz | vlcn: do you need parallel port? |
| 05:04.00 | vchrizz | if not, try to disable it in bios |
| 05:04.08 | vlcn | I disabled it already :/ |
| 05:04.15 | vlcn | was one of the first things I did |
| 05:04.29 | vchrizz | well it still shows up |
| 05:04.45 | jkprg | Hi. Can you help me how to setup debian as a diskless machine with DHCP? I'm looking for right dhcp script for dhclient3. Thx |
| 05:04.50 | vchrizz | because parport and ide0 use same IRQ |
| 05:05.35 | vchrizz | you got disk as primaster and cdrom as secmaster i assume? |
| 05:06.45 | vlcn | justdouble checked |
| 05:06.51 | vlcn | parallel port is disabled |
| 05:07.02 | vlcn | and yes hdd is pri master |
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| 05:08.59 | pickcoder | parport0 uses IRQ7 on my machine |
| 05:09.02 | vlcn | okay |
| 05:09.07 | vlcn | I have ubuntu installed |
| 05:09.14 | vlcn | so I can get the right irq from that, right? |
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| 05:11.26 | vchrizz | jkprg: i use no script, just in dhcpd.conf configured option 'next-server x.x.x.x' then set option filename "/pxelinux.0"; and use this http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 05:11.39 | jair | anyone here uses irssi in debian lenny? I am trying to setu up 1) getting a dcc transfer (manually) not automatically and always enabled it is possible? also I want to specify the dcc download to directory... |
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| 05:11.55 | jair | I am asking at irssi but it looks like everybody there is on vacation |
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| 05:12.07 | vchrizz | vlcn: you have to somehow either change irq of parport or change it for ide0 or change anything regarding that :) |
| 05:13.27 | jkprg | vchrizz: dhclient should get next-server from dhcp response, shouldn't it? |
| 05:14.06 | jkprg | vchrizz: btw I don't use initrd |
| 05:14.32 | vchrizz | jair: 1) http://irssi.org/documentation/settings#dcc_autoget also you want to read http://irssi.org/documentation/settings#dcc_download_path |
| 05:14.46 | jkprg | vchrizz: thus dhclient gets frozen after kernel is initiated |
| 05:15.21 | jkprg | vchrizz: I commented out PREINIT and EXPIRE part of dhclient-script and it looks ok now but not sure about this solution :-( |
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| 05:15.48 | vchrizz | jkprg: well i dont know how its with own compiled kernel, you were asking to diskless netboot debian so i told you how i do it ;) |
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| 05:15.58 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1787788 |
| 05:16.01 | bsmntbombdood | from apt-get |
| 05:16.05 | bsmntbombdood | what does that mean? |
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| 05:16.52 | jair | vchrizz: thank you very much I see what I was missing "set then the command =(" |
| 05:16.53 | vchrizz | bsmntbombdood: did you try apt-get -f install |
| 05:16.57 | bsmntbombdood | vchrizz: yes |
| 05:16.58 | jair | vchrizz: thank you |
| 05:17.01 | jkprg | vchrizz: anyway thx. |
| 05:17.18 | vchrizz | np ;) |
| 05:17.23 | jair | cool |
| 05:17.27 | pickcoder | bsmntbombdood: are you mixing repositories? |
| 05:17.43 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1787789 |
| 05:17.51 | vchrizz | gg |
| 05:18.06 | vchrizz | bsmntbombdood: did you change /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 05:18.41 | pickcoder | it doesn't matter now that you've told him to force it |
| 05:18.41 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1787790 |
| 05:19.37 | pickcoder | um.. if you didn't just do a dist-upgrade to testing then it may be a dedepency bug |
| 05:19.48 | pickcoder | ~dependency |
| 05:20.10 | vchrizz | well testing.. i switched back to stable some weeks ago because of similar problem |
| 05:20.26 | vchrizz | it testing as the name says :) |
| 05:20.31 | vchrizz | it's |
| 05:20.37 | bsmntbombdood | pickcoder: i didn't |
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| 05:27.35 | vlcn | damn |
| 05:27.40 | vlcn | ubuntu is saying irq14 |
| 05:28.11 | vlcn | pastebin |
| 05:28.13 | vlcn | .... |
| 05:28.16 | vlcn | wrong keyboard |
| 05:28.17 | macius | hey im wondering does debian offer a way to upgrade to kernel 2.6.32 or would i have to compile the kernel manually? |
| 05:28.45 | macius | not that new to debian although apt-get isent showing me any upgrades |
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| 05:29.42 | jmarsden | macius: Which "Debian" ? 2.6.32 is already in sid, if you know enough to run it :) |
| 05:29.48 | macius | and running kernel 2.6.26 so yeah if theres an easy way to upgrade i would love to here a suggestion |
| 05:29.54 | TiMiDo | damn |
| 05:29.55 | wols | macius: you can look if sid has that kernel. you can try to run this kernel in lenny |
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| 05:30.17 | wols | macius: download that kernel deb and dpkg -i it. if it doesn't work, uninstall it again |
| 05:30.21 | macius | jmarsden using v 5.04 |
| 05:31.12 | macius | alright well ty ill try that , um where would i get the kernel.deb tho? |
| 05:31.13 | pickcoder | 2.6.30 is in bpo |
| 05:31.43 | wols | packages.debian.org lets you easily download it |
| 05:31.43 | jmarsden | macius: From any debian repository that carries sid :) |
| 05:32.47 | vlcn | ping vchrizz |
| 05:32.50 | vlcn | http://pastebin.com/m4e7f7981 |
| 05:32.54 | wols | macius: just keep in mind, you do this all on your own risk. if something blows up and eats your dog, we didn't know nutthin' |
| 05:33.22 | TiMiDo | can someone help me with this error http://pastebin.ca/1787801 |
| 05:34.30 | wols | TiMiDo: are you mixing lenny and testing/sid? |
| 05:35.37 | TiMiDo | nope |
| 05:35.39 | TiMiDo | not at all |
| 05:36.02 | wols | I don't believe you. xserver 1.6.99 is nowhere in debian right now, and lenny is 1.4.x |
| 05:36.17 | wols | so clearly some of the packages you want are either from testing or another, non-debian repo |
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| 05:36.41 | macius | wols: i wouldnt blame anyone for adive , haha dont worry but ty again |
| 05:36.45 | macius | advice** |
| 05:36.53 | TiMiDo | true |
| 05:36.55 | TiMiDo | i just saw it right now |
| 05:36.57 | TiMiDo | damn it |
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| 05:37.03 | TiMiDo | how can i fixed this crap wols ? |
| 05:37.14 | wols | depends what you really want to do |
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| 05:37.33 | wols | first thing is putting your sources.list in order again. depending how you do that, everything else follows |
| 05:37.40 | wols | e.g. do you want stable or testing? |
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| 05:38.01 | TiMiDo | squeeze |
| 05:38.33 | wols | TiMiDo: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 05:39.26 | TiMiDo | now I'm getting an error with udev |
| 05:39.49 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.02 | TiMiDo | i did |
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| 05:40.15 | wols | do you actually run kernel >= 2.6.27? |
| 05:40.39 | wols | kernel is the only thing you need a reboot to use a new one... |
| 05:40.59 | TiMiDo | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 05:41.08 | TiMiDo | that's the one I'm using right now |
| 05:41.18 | wols | then read the factoid until you understand it |
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| 05:47.22 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 05:47.51 | wols | hi sweetie |
| 05:48.03 | kanobe | wols: lol |
| 05:48.39 | johnfg | I've never installed from a flash drive before, but just got an 8gb from my son. Can I boot the debian 5.0.4 iso from it to install? |
| 05:48.49 | Amarande | hmm, any of you been using texlive on debian lately? |
| 05:49.12 | wols | yes you can, if your hardware allows it. debian only needs ~150MB for a install medium |
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| 05:49.24 | wols | !tell Amarande about anyone |
| 05:49.47 | Amarande | wols: I'm trying to figure out how to make a certain macro work the way I want it to work |
| 05:49.54 | Amarande | and #latex is as silent as a tomb, despite having 150+ people |
| 05:50.08 | kanobe | !tell kanobe about anyone |
| 05:50.10 | johnfg | wols, So, should I install a different image than the 4gb + DVD.iso? |
| 05:50.11 | Amarande | it keeps putting page breaks where there shouldn't be, no matter how much I struggle to override it |
| 05:50.22 | wols | kanobe: /msd dpkg selftell :P |
| 05:51.00 | wols | johnfg: you can install frm any media you want. netinstaller, CD1 or DVD1. (each of them is an ISO, but they're conscutively bigger) |
| 05:51.14 | wols | e.g. you probably don't need all of the software on the 4GB one |
| 05:51.52 | johnfg | I've always installed from the DVD1, but after burning it. I assume that there's a bunch more downloading with the netinstaller? |
| 05:54.09 | nae | before unstable switched to grub2, I had it installed installed on a separate partition and grub was installed in the boot sector of that partition. |
| 05:54.40 | wols | johnfg: yes |
| 05:54.43 | nae | now grub2 tells me that's bad. what should i do? |
| 05:55.07 | wols | bad how? as in "can't do it" or "it's not what I want you to do"? |
| 05:55.30 | wols | if you have a standard (windows) MBR, it should work just fine |
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| 05:55.34 | nae | bad as in, when it upgraded it said that going to the boot sector was unreliable and you should use the mbr |
| 05:55.54 | nae | but I'd prefer not to use the mbr, because the grub install in the mbr is for the stable install |
| 05:56.08 | johnfg | nae, Just saw yours about grub2. What version is using grub2? testing? |
| 05:56.14 | nae | I used to just chainload to the second partition and unstable was all self contained |
| 05:56.18 | wols | johnfg: yes |
| 05:56.42 | aaron_ | about time |
| 05:56.43 | aaron_ | i fixed it |
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| 05:56.54 | wols | nae: then do what you want. if it breaks, you just have to keep a bootcd handy and skip grub2 |
| 05:56.58 | johnfg | Boy, I couldn't get grub2 to boot the latest ubuntu at all. I like the 0.97. Good and safe. |
| 05:57.29 | wols | my sid upgraded my debian/XP dualboot just fine without any huckup. so experiences vary |
| 05:57.45 | nae | johnfg: stable on the first partition, with grub installed to the mbr. grub2 isn't currently installed anywhere |
| 05:58.49 | johnfg | I don't run ubuntu, but had looked at it in various versions, and there's definitely been a lot of bugs with grub2. |
| 05:58.50 | nae | the good thing about having grub for the unstable install, installed to the partition boot sector was that when kernel upgrades happened, everything just worked |
| 05:58.52 | wols | even when it doesn't work, you can still install an old grub for sid in that boot sectors and ignore grub2 |
| 05:58.58 | johnfg | They aren't very happy with the switch. |
| 05:59.52 | nae | that's interesting that they're having issues with it |
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| 06:00.40 | nae | so perhaps what i should do is remove grub2, and install grub in sid |
| 06:01.04 | nae | can I make it not upgrade grub to grub2? |
| 06:01.18 | johnfg | nae, Just google it, or look in there forums, and you'll see it. |
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| 06:02.35 | wols | nae: /msg dpkg hold or build a dummy grub2 package with equivs |
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| 06:03.32 | TiMiDo | is listening to Pat Metheny The First Circle |
| 06:03.52 | wols | TiMiDo: do not do that if you want to stay here. very bad form |
| 06:04.08 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 06:05.36 | nae | alright, I'll give that a go. thanks |
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| 06:14.21 | neex | can anyone help me find out why i'm doing 50-100 dns requests a second |
| 06:15.46 | rosco | anyone: i need help getting DSL on an old laptop. i booted DSL form a bootfloppy and it is in some way running off a usb flash drive w/ DSL files ... it is asking for KNopppix and says without it i'm stuck with really small kernel. ONe -i have xp. aaand, i'll have to put knoppix in c:/. i want M$ off machine |
| 06:16.02 | neoice | neex: try netstat and iftop? |
| 06:17.12 | neex | i'm watching netstat and wireshark... every time i do any internet traffic i'm generating bajillions dns requests |
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| 06:17.23 | kaziem | slaps mavladhome around a bit with a large trout |
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| 06:18.25 | NiLon | neex something like dns cache disabled & firewall resolving hosts & bittorent can create heavy amount of requests :) |
| 06:18.52 | neex | no firewall running and no bittorrent |
| 06:19.04 | neex | i've shut down everything possible... |
| 06:19.18 | neex | i mean if i go to 1 webpage i will generate endless dns traffic specifically |
| 06:19.43 | neex | or use irc, or do whatever |
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| 06:20.30 | jmarsden | neex: Are the DNS queries you are generating all for the web page you go to, or to various real domains, or random junk?? |
| 06:21.17 | neex | it's all for real traffic... like irc or websites i actually go to, but it's also looking up my NAT id over and over |
| 06:21.23 | neex | ie, 192.168.1.102 |
| 06:21.35 | NiLon | could be that your network if proxying requests and causing infinite loop |
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| 06:22.09 | neex | hows that |
| 06:22.20 | wols | nae: avahi running? what if you get out of X and run on the console with a console webbrowser? |
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| 06:22.31 | NiLon | neex like 2 dns servers proxying each other |
| 06:22.32 | wols | neex: ^^ |
| 06:22.42 | neex | avahi not running, happens at console as well |
| 06:23.08 | neex | this doesn't happen to me when i have xp going |
| 06:23.34 | NiLon | does your xp share connection or something? |
| 06:23.49 | neex | no, i have two linux machines. the other one dual boots |
| 06:23.54 | neex | this happens on the other machine as well now |
| 06:24.01 | neex | might have been happening for awhile and just noticed it |
| 06:24.16 | wols | how did you notice it sends 100 requests per second? |
| 06:24.31 | neex | i did a watch -n 0 netstat -atupe |
| 06:24.44 | neex | and thought iw as getting portscanned from all the connections coming and going super fast |
| 06:24.48 | neex | so i started watching wireshark |
| 06:25.10 | wols | netstat tells you the PID of the calling process. there you have your answer |
| 06:25.17 | neex | cant look it up |
| 06:25.21 | neex | connections last less than a second |
| 06:25.35 | NiLon | try without watch |
| 06:25.36 | neex | it's seriously that fast |
| 06:25.59 | neex | no what i mean is |
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| 06:26.07 | NiLon | if there's 100 requests in second, you should easily see many in one screen |
| 06:26.08 | neex | by the time i could check ps for the pid it would already be gone |
| 06:26.18 | NiLon | ah |
| 06:26.22 | TiMiDo | damn my wireless isn't working trying to figured it out why.. i already download it the drivers that's odd. |
| 06:27.00 | neex | NiLon: they only last for like half a second |
| 06:27.35 | wols | a new kernel and wlan isn't working anymore. how unusual |
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| 06:28.14 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 06:28.17 | liable | that was sarcasm in case anyone was wondering.. |
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| 06:28.34 | neex | sarcasm? on my internet? |
| 06:28.47 | wols | btw: if you still use ndiswrapper or such, check if there are native drivers now |
| 06:28.49 | neex | it's more likely than you think |
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| 06:30.12 | neex | anyway i don't know what could be configured wrong, as this is happening on 2 linux machines where i didn't really change the out of the box networking config for either one |
| 06:30.27 | neex | and i don't see how it could be the router as it doesn't happen when win xp is booted |
| 06:31.15 | wols | neex: install bind and resolve directly frm root dnsservers |
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| 06:31.50 | neex | hrms |
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| 06:33.21 | jmarsden | neex: sudo netstat -ntup # shows the process name in the netstat output... this may help? |
| 06:33.59 | jmarsden | The -p is what adds the PID and process name column... |
| 06:34.27 | neex | i'm with it. it's just that the connections don't last long enough |
| 06:35.08 | jmarsden | if you are getting 100/sec, a single run of netstat -ntup should catch at least one of them :) |
| 06:35.39 | neex | ya but by the time i write down the pid it's already gone |
| 06:36.08 | jmarsden | neex: NO... look at the process name next to the pid in the output of netstat. What process is causing these queries is named in there. |
| 06:36.55 | jmarsden | You have no need to write down a pid and do something manual with it later. |
| 06:37.13 | wols | also there is > file.log which lets you capture output... |
| 06:37.20 | nae | new plan. I'm going to get rid of my old unstable install and debootstrap a new one over it. then look at a way of booting into from the grub that's already installed to the mbr |
| 06:37.45 | jmarsden | wols: Come to that, there's |pastebinit # so we can all see the results :) |
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| 06:37.49 | wols | nae: very easy to do. only downside is, a kernel install won't automatically update grub |
| 06:38.10 | wols | you will have to edit menu.lst for your sid kernels manually |
| 06:39.13 | nae | that exactly, was the good thing about just chainloading to unstables grub install |
| 06:39.47 | wols | exactly. so when you install grub2 to the partition, what happens? it no workie? |
| 06:40.17 | nae | it overwrote the mbr |
| 06:43.23 | wols | did you install it automatically or manually? |
| 06:43.31 | wols | use grub-install manually only |
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| 06:44.07 | nae | it was just while doing a normal aptitude upgrade |
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| 06:49.51 | sw4 | anyone had mouse troubles with virtual box newest guest additions on a lenny guest (and windows host) ? |
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| 06:56.12 | sw4 | oh well... works fine with 3.1.4 beta2 guest additions |
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| 07:16.01 | rosco | WHAT DOES THIS MEAN: "Note that if you intend to actually install DSL as Debian onto your harddrive for releases after and including 2.0, you should also copy the \boot\ tree to C:\boot\?" PLZ HELP |
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| 07:17.33 | rosco | what the HELL is \boot\ ? is it linux file structure? |
| 07:17.51 | rosco | aaaaaaahhhhh |
| 07:18.50 | wols | there is no backslash in linux paths |
| 07:18.54 | wols | there is /boot |
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| 07:19.13 | rosco | wols. hello! |
| 07:19.14 | wols | and we do not suppost damn small linux in here. DSL is NOT debian |
| 07:19.16 | rosco | k |
| 07:19.23 | rosco | it is debian? |
| 07:19.28 | wols | no it is not debian |
| 07:19.29 | rosco | kde? |
| 07:19.45 | wols | DSL has its own irc channel. we don't support it here |
| 07:20.08 | rosco | is there a general install channel. very few channels are active. and no one ever responds. for two weeks i've been at this :( |
| 07:20.21 | rosco | DSL doesn't have a channel in long time |
| 07:20.21 | wols | there is #linux |
| 07:20.26 | rosco | hmmm |
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| 07:20.37 | rosco | let me look. thank you wols |
| 07:20.49 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.22 | hdcase | there used to be really good DSL installation instructions on archgeek.com, what happened to that website? |
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| 07:38.10 | rosco | hdcase: website is gone. thankyou though |
| 07:39.43 | rosco | wols: go to the channel. like i said, i thijnk that distro is all but dead, excluding the person(s) asking for money on their website in EVERY SENTENCE. |
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| 07:44.32 | Arrowmaster | "Due to infighting among the project's originators and main developers, DSL development seems to be at a standstill, and the future of the project is uncertain[3][4][5]. John Andrews has not been active on the official DSL forum since February 2009[citation needed]." |
| 07:44.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah dead |
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| 07:53.22 | wert | when i log in kpm automatically starts up and i dont have x set up right so it just displays a blank screen and i cant do anything |
| 07:53.33 | wert | how the fuck do i just get to a console so i can fix it? |
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| 07:54.27 | wert | or kdm i mean |
| 07:54.49 | wert | the gui login screen |
| 07:54.56 | wert | for kde |
| 07:55.16 | wert | can't get to a damn console because that starts up automatically after i log in |
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| 07:59.38 | dbbolton | could someone recommend an application (preferable ncurses-based) that shows which processes are doing what to the hard drive? |
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| 08:00.31 | jmarsden | dbbolton: iotop |
| 08:00.31 | wols | wert: did you press ctrl+alt+f2? |
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| 08:00.57 | wert | nope |
| 08:01.04 | wert | wasnt aware of those key combos |
| 08:01.07 | wert | ill try it out |
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| 08:01.29 | wols | then do it. also, use the recovery mode boot option, then delete the /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm file when in recovery mode |
| 08:01.48 | wols | with that symlink gone, kdm won't try to start anymore |
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| 08:03.31 | ivers | is there a way to pass a parameter to grub to change root drive from sdb to sda ? |
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| 08:04.40 | dbbolton | jmarsden thanks |
| 08:04.50 | jmarsden | dbbolton: You're welcome. |
| 08:04.55 | wols | ivers: yes. press "e" |
| 08:05.11 | ivers | wols: I'm just getting errors trying that |
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| 08:05.26 | wols | !errors |
| 08:05.26 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
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| 08:05.58 | dbbolton | how can i figure out whether i actually need avahi? |
| 08:06.25 | ivers | wols: sure, the drive *IS* sda1, but it just keeps waiting and giving up |
| 08:06.37 | dbbolton | uninstall it and see if any applications stop working? |
| 08:07.26 | cahoot | dbbolton: simply disable it first? |
| 08:09.07 | dbbolton | i actually don't even know how the daemon got installed |
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| 08:12.22 | jmarsden | dbbolton: apt-cache rdepends avahi-daemon # may shed some light? |
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| 08:13.23 | dbbolton_ | already tried it. it looks like lib32nss-mdns is the guilty party |
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| 08:15.55 | aaron_ | hey |
| 08:15.57 | aaron_ | i got a question |
| 08:16.10 | aaron_ | how come my wireless device is eth1 how can i changed it fro eth1 to wlan0? |
| 08:16.25 | aaron_ | is it possible to do such thing? |
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| 08:18.23 | wols | you could use ifrename or play around with udevm but why? |
| 08:18.42 | dbbolton_ | how can i found out which package installed a file if 'apt-file search' turns up nothing |
| 08:18.46 | aaron_ | wols, because i want my eth1 to be my ethernet and my wlan0 to be my wireless |
| 08:18.49 | wols | jmarsden: apt doesn't need avahi. it might be "niec to have", but definitely no need |
| 08:19.35 | aaron_ | wols, so how can i do it? |
| 08:19.37 | wols | aaron_: rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 08:19.42 | jmarsden | wols: The command I gave should tell you which other packages *do* depend on avahi-daemon... which is what was being asked about... I think? |
| 08:19.43 | aaron_ | wols, ??? |
| 08:19.59 | jmarsden | !tell aaron_ about 70 |
| 08:20.10 | dbbolton_ | do i need hplip installed on a cups client? |
| 08:20.26 | streuner__ | if you want, yes |
| 08:20.46 | streuner__ | apt-cache show hplip |
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| 08:21.23 | streuner__ | !hplib |
| 08:21.49 | dbbolton_ | it seems like i would just need it on the cups server |
| 08:21.50 | wols | jmarsden: I thought you meant apt-cache depends on avahi |
| 08:22.11 | jmarsden | wols: Um... no, that was a command to run. Sorry if that was unclear :) |
| 08:22.25 | jmarsden | Hence the # after it before my comment about it... |
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| 08:25.05 | aaron_ | damn I'm so lost |
| 08:25.10 | aaron_ | by changing |
| 08:25.46 | aaron_ | the devices names |
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| 08:27.23 | geekyogi | my sys grub.conf file is not found.. so its in grub rescue mode.. when I try to live boot it says bootloader -> /caspeb/initrd.lz n its unable to boot |
| 08:28.48 | wols | geekyogi: can you boot from a debian boot cd? |
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| 08:29.10 | geekyogi | wols: nope |
| 08:29.34 | geekyogi | I also tried fedora.. didn't work |
| 08:29.37 | wols | geekyogi: debian doesn't put the initrd anywhere but /boot so your path above is a problem |
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| 08:30.04 | wols | what kernel version do you use? |
| 08:30.19 | geekyogi | 2.6x I think.. ubuntu 9.10 |
| 08:30.43 | wols | then please go to #ubuntu. we don't support ubuntu here. have a nice day |
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| 08:31.23 | geekyogi | ah.. but still could you jst gimme an idea.. |
| 08:31.51 | cesurasean | I am getting on apache with debug turned on, and cannt find out the problem. will someone help me troubeshoot these what seem SSL problems... |
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| 08:38.47 | NoCode | Is there anywhere where I can request something to be in the repos? |
| 08:38.55 | yang | Hi ! Anyone using vsftpd ? |
| 08:38.57 | yang | I seem to have a problem setting it to listen on dual stack mode |
| 08:39.56 | wols | yang: /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 08:45.54 | nkuttler | !tell NoCode about wnpp |
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| 08:47.25 | streuner__ | amset:/linux# dpkg -l | grep hplib* |
| 08:47.25 | streuner__ | ii hplip 3.9.12-2 HP Linu |
| 08:47.47 | streuner__ | apt-cache show hplip show nothing :-) |
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| 09:44.42 | LuserN800 | Join #ubuntu |
| 09:45.08 | LuserN800 | oops |
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| 09:45.50 | sakhi_ | which version of Debian is the best? |
| 09:45.51 | RedTide | hi, is there someone here that used sbnc debian version? |
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| 09:46.03 | Bob_Dole | sakhi_, depends on your needs. |
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| 09:46.24 | Bob_Dole | Need the most up-to date, but potentially unstable versions of something? Use Sid. |
| 09:46.24 | cahoot | !best |
| 09:46.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 09:47.53 | sakhi_ | DNS |
| 09:48.41 | sakhi_ | sorry that's what I meant, best for DNS. |
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| 09:51.15 | LuserN800 | Is it possible to use ksplice on debian? are the patches available in ksplice format? |
| 09:51.26 | LuserN800 | does not look like from the website |
| 09:53.51 | katyl_ | Hey everyone, I have a working script http://pastebin.com/d490eb27c I'm trying to come up with baby names and the girlfriend has a list of acceptable first names and acceptable middles names. I've got this working, but how do I get it to take the input from 2 text files instead of from in the script itself |
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| 09:55.19 | cahoot | katyl: try in #bash |
| 09:55.32 | Internat | for middle in (`cat /path/to/firstname`) |
| 09:55.36 | Internat | err middlename |
| 09:55.51 | Internat | i think |
| 09:55.58 | Internat | sounds right |
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| 09:57.18 | Internat | sadlyi cant access my code at the moment. but that sounds abour right |
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| 09:57.50 | mcgregor | hi |
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| 09:58.38 | Etna | is there any standalone app in DEbian to convert mp3s to oggs? |
| 09:59.19 | bluejeans | i just did a debian netinstall .. got my wireless-tools but only root and access iwconfig... why is this? i want my suer to be able to connect |
| 09:59.28 | mcgregor | when I configure a device using UUID=* and set this in /etc/fstab for a removable device (usb hdd for example) , will a auto-mount using /etc/fstab be triggered every time I plug it in? |
| 10:00.11 | wols | bluejeans: set up your wlan in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:00.29 | bluejeans | wols: ok... |
| 10:00.47 | rudi_s_ | Etna: http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/687/ (found by searching for "convert mp3 to ogg debian", haven't tested it though, I decode my music directly from the cd to ogg). |
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| 10:05.47 | Etna | i'll try that |
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| 10:09.15 | LuserN800 | mcgregor, and if you don't put anything, maybe it gets mounted in /media ? what's wrong with that? |
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| 10:11.59 | mcgregor | LuserN800, well, I would like it to be mounted to a chosen place for example. the question, does it trigger auto moun chcking /etc/fstab or doesnt it? :) |
| 10:12.11 | mcgregor | guess I simply need to chec that |
| 10:12.25 | zoddan | can i have drives with different size and make and still run ZFS and RAID? |
| 10:12.43 | neoice | if the debian official package removes some features (like LAME support), can I 'apt-get source' and make the package myself with them enabled? |
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| 10:14.52 | LuserN800 | mcgregor, if you put a label to the filesystem then I think it's always mounted as /media/<label> |
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| 10:16.39 | Owner | In stable, I have created an exception in PAM, so a single user can log-in without entering a pwd. If the user now logs out, or the session dies (and gets restarted), the "login screen" (DisplayManager) shows. All the user then needs to do, is click his name (the only one in the list) and his session authenticates correctly. Can I skip the "login screen" completely, instead? |
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| 10:20.26 | wols | Owner: gdm has a setting to automtically log in a user. no need for pam. maybe check this |
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| 10:20.42 | wols | neoice: of course you can |
| 10:21.03 | neoice | yeah, it looks trivial, once I figure out which libraries to grab from Debian Multimedia. |
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| 10:21.14 | neoice | I'm surprised they dont have an mpd package. they have mplayer |
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| 10:21.41 | Owner | wols: thanks. how exactly would i configure gdm to log a user in, after he logs-out (not at boot-time)? |
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| 10:22.07 | mcgregor | LuserN800, well, it's not simply about a filesystem. I want my usb-stick/-hdd, when I put it in that it's partition will be mounted to a defined path |
| 10:22.10 | LuserN800 | neoice, for libraries, apt-get build-dep will download and install the packages needed for building |
| 10:22.39 | neoice | LuserN800: thanks. I'm guessing it will only grab the libraries that debian thinks it needs (so no MP3 support) |
| 10:22.51 | LuserN800 | neoice, yes |
| 10:23.37 | LuserN800 | mcgregor, then every new partition has to have a filesystem with a label. a partition usually contains a filesystem.. what else? |
| 10:24.15 | LuserN800 | mcgregor, tune2fs and dosfslabel,.. |
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| 10:28.58 | neoice | I'm guessing if I want a nice .deb, I should follow this: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 10:29.06 | neoice | unless there's an equivelent to 'make-kpkg' |
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| 10:30.12 | wols | neoice: you mean dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 10:30.46 | neoice | apparently I do :D |
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| 10:33.56 | erry | debian:~# ifconfig wlan1 up |
| 10:33.56 | erry | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 10:34.02 | erry | it used ot work |
| 10:34.03 | erry | :( |
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| 10:35.10 | rm | hello |
| 10:35.58 | erry | hello |
| 10:36.00 | erry | can you help me |
| 10:36.52 | wols | erry: ifconfig -a pastebin the output (not in channel!) |
| 10:36.57 | erry | :p |
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| 10:37.12 | erry | http://pastebin.com/f22bf3c72 |
| 10:37.20 | rm | I have a question about debian/patches/* format |
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| 10:37.35 | rm | are the patches in there expected to apply on top of each other (in order) |
| 10:37.51 | rm | or each of them should individually apply to vanilla sources? |
| 10:37.53 | wols | erry: ifup -a then check your syslog/kernel log for any errors or messages |
| 10:38.14 | erry | wols, i dont have wlan1 in the auto thingy |
| 10:38.36 | erry | wols, i manually modprobe and enable it every boot |
| 10:38.43 | wols | erry: however wlan1 does exist as ifconfig -a shows |
| 10:38.53 | erry | wols, yes because i modprobe the driver |
| 10:38.57 | erry | wols, it doesnt modprobe it on its own |
| 10:39.03 | erry | idk why but it doesnt :p |
| 10:39.03 | wols | so? |
| 10:39.18 | erry | so i dont have wlan1 in my automaticonfiguration |
| 10:39.24 | wols | you can put it into /etc/modules and it will get loaded every boot |
| 10:39.29 | erry | o |
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| 10:39.43 | erry | anyway i have to go |
| 10:39.46 | erry | :( |
| 10:40.14 | karl_k | hi all ! I have a problem with flash on a website, i use iceweasel on a up to date lenny 64bit with flashplugin-nonfree and adobe flash10 installed |
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| 10:40.32 | wols | karl_k: checked about:plugins ? |
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| 10:40.42 | karl_k | however on www.a1.net a large flash animation is missing, whereas i can see other flash content (eg youtube) fine |
| 10:41.03 | babilen | !tell rm -about mentors |
| 10:41.09 | karl_k | i suspect its not a problem with flash, rather with iceweasel not even trying to display the flash |
| 10:41.20 | karl_k | this site works fine under firefox on a ubuntu box |
| 10:41.42 | karl_k | is really annoying me. |
| 10:41.54 | eviltoaster | hi, i added an nfs share to my fstab but it does not mount at bootup.. if i do mount -a everything works :S |
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| 10:43.44 | karl_k | @wols: any ideas ? |
| 10:44.28 | wols | not really |
| 10:44.54 | LuserN800 | rm, on top of each other. man dpatch for example or http://wiki.debian.org/debian/patches |
| 10:45.01 | rm | thanks |
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| 10:54.26 | karl_k | bugger, i hate that website, |
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| 10:55.45 | karl_k | alas, gotta go |
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| 10:58.07 | do0ob | hi |
| 10:59.02 | do0ob | I'm having trouble setting the DPI in xorg.conf, is it still used, i added the following to the Monitor section, but it had no effect: DisplaySize 445 278 |
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| 11:00.02 | ghost__ | how can i change hdd type to /dev/sdb for smartd ? |
| 11:00.45 | ghost__ | i set it to hdb that is my error, in /etc/smart.... but now is not avaialble it is only smartd.conf but there is no option to change it? |
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| 11:01.48 | FreeTits | hi |
| 11:01.53 | FreeTits | i need some help with this: http://debian.on.nimp.org/~l3thal/screenshot.jpg |
| 11:02.42 | Name1ess | idiot |
| 11:03.08 | do0ob | i found the arch linux wiki, it seems helpful, i'm following it now |
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| 11:04.28 | do0ob | Name1ess: thank god for pkill, thats all i can say |
| 11:04.38 | Name1ess | yeah |
| 11:04.42 | do0ob | DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK!!!!! |
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| 11:05.30 | do0ob | HORRIBLE PICS, POPUPS, BAD, SICK STUFF, GOATSE... just don't |
| 11:05.45 | Name1ess | I also escaped serious harm, even here in lolWindows -- I use FF3, ABP, NoScript - and sysinternals Process Explorer nuked the rest of the trash. |
| 11:06.05 | ghost__ | default/smartmontools ... |
| 11:06.07 | ghost__ | :") |
| 11:06.32 | do0ob | bye, off to set dpi |
| 11:06.47 | Name1ess | And before you ask 'why is a lolWindows user here in a debian channel' -- |
| 11:06.47 | Oji-san | -- it's so I can learn. |
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| 11:10.00 | eviltoaster | hi, i added an nfs share to my fstab but it does not mount at bootup.. if i do mount -a everything works :S |
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| 11:18.17 | paradoxmonkey | Any one who has some experience with QoS using tc? |
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| 11:21.37 | Fony_Vaio | How can I force a `mdadm --assemble --scan` before attempting to mount root devicewith 2.6.32-trunk-amd64? The root fs is an ext4 LV on an MD. If I drop to busybox I can just assemble the MD, make the LV available and continue booting normally. |
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| 11:22.11 | nsadmin | you mean a pv on an md |
| 11:23.23 | nsadmin | wait hmm, do you mean lvm? |
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| 11:23.45 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: yes |
| 11:24.23 | [thyko] | is it just me or is there no smbmnt on lenny? |
| 11:24.26 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: so the entire md is a pv, and then i have a few lv's sitting on top. |
| 11:24.41 | [thyko] | apt-file returned like two man 8 pages and thats it |
| 11:25.02 | nsadmin | ok, so if you mean lvm, then what you have on the MD is either one PV or separate PVs, either way in a volume group (VG_ |
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| 11:25.46 | nsadmin | so, one PV covering the entire MD? |
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| 11:27.05 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: yes, the vg consists of one pv (the md), and then i've created a few lv's |
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| 11:27.13 | nsadmin | anyway, you know what you got :) not sure how to force something without just doing it or putting it in the mount script |
| 11:27.22 | wols | [thyko]: mount -t smb |
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| 11:27.57 | [thyko] | wols: there is a program that requires smbmnt specifically, sslbridge |
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| 11:28.22 | Fony_Vaio | I think the issue is because root fs is a lv, initramfs doesn't bother scanning / assembling the md (although it has a valid mdadm.conf) |
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| 11:28.47 | wols | [thyko]: then the program is shit. there were several differntly named programs to mount CIFS shares over the years |
| 11:28.52 | nsadmin | you may have to edit the initranfs |
| 11:29.07 | wols | anything that relies on specific names is simply broken |
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| 11:29.24 | Fony_Vaio | as i said before, if i drop to busybox and assemble the md and then enable the lv under the vg i can continue booting |
| 11:29.24 | [thyko] | meh, ok, let me see how i can fool it |
| 11:29.53 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: yeah, i'm trying to work out if there's some way to force a mdadm assemble early on |
| 11:30.57 | nsadmin | when you installed, was / a LV in the MD? |
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| 11:31.33 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: yes, it's a new install. |
| 11:31.39 | wols | [thyko]: from wikipedia "SSLBridge Website (This domain is no longer registered) " this says all I guess |
| 11:31.44 | nsadmin | or if you installed a kernel more recently... s/when you installed/when you installed that kernel/ |
| 11:31.49 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: first boot failed and i had to intervene. |
| 11:32.08 | nsadmin | so it was on the MD then... |
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| 11:32.39 | nsadmin | so the kernel package didn't do its job... it's supposed to figure out how / is mounted |
| 11:33.48 | nsadmin | (but admittedly yours is a fairly special case |
| 11:34.03 | [thyko] | wols: yea, latest update is in 2006 |
| 11:34.16 | [thyko] | on the sourceforge project page |
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| 11:34.38 | wols | [thyko]: I'd look into something like openvpn instead |
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| 11:35.15 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: well, it just seemed like a good idea to have the root part as an lv so i can expand if needs be, and raid seemed useful |
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| 11:36.17 | nsadmin | what you -could- do is partition the MD so that / and/or /boot is not an LV |
| 11:36.28 | [thyko] | wols: it needs to be a web service, as the computers accessing it are variable, only the access credentials are 'constant', and the files are already on a windows server |
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| 11:38.12 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: /boot is not an lv, just / |
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| 11:41.39 | [deos]orodent | hello hello |
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| 11:41.47 | DENZEL_FOXX | yes hello |
| 11:41.50 | DENZEL_FOXX | denzel foxx here |
| 11:41.51 | [deos]orodent | too late |
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| 11:41.55 | simonrvn | !ops [deos]orodent |
| 11:41.56 | DENZEL_FOXX | good night sweet prince |
| 11:41.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: [deos]orodent |
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| 11:42.52 | simonrvn | changed nick [deos]orodent > ewrerssgfnjhwsry (username/host orodent@210-67-237-24.gci.net) |
| 11:43.03 | niklas__ | I have a problem.. udev rename my both nic.. so eth0 --> eth1, and eth1 --> eth0 |
| 11:43.13 | niklas__ | how will i do so it dont renamed them.. |
| 11:43.31 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 11:43.31 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 11:45.15 | simonrvn | !ops DENZEL_FOXX < with ewrerssgfnjhwsry/[deos]orodent |
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| 11:45.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: DENZEL_FOXX < with ewrerssgfnjhwsry/[deos]orodent |
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| 11:45.40 | [thyko] | wols: this looks abit better http://davenport.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:47.32 | DENZEL_FOXX | e |
| 11:48.12 | simonrvn | go play with your 12 year old friend orodent |
| 11:49.01 | DENZEL_FOXX | ? |
| 11:49.08 | DENZEL_FOXX | who is orodent |
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| 11:50.13 | DENZEL_FOXX | lol demolished |
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| 11:50.52 | simonrvn | some people are stupid |
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| 11:51.48 | nsadmin | some stupidities are people |
| 11:51.56 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:52.04 | simonrvn | Mr_Deffy: fix your router |
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| 12:01.01 | Fony_Vaio | nsadmin: thanks for the help. I had a look at the auto-generated mdadm.conf and modified it a little, then did a `update-initramfs -u`, rebooted fine. It might have been that the initramfs hadn't been created properly during install in the chroot env or that the mdadm.conf tweaks helped the script realise it had to assemble the md early. |
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| 12:01.31 | Vojtaeus | Hi, I have installed Debian Testing with XFCE and later I installed NetworkManager and it can not handle wired network (but it works), only wireless... Any suggestions how to repair it? |
| 12:01.50 | Genia4 | Is there a way to have all connections made by a certain user go through a certain interface using iptables? |
| 12:02.45 | AimHere | Genia4, man iptables tells me that there's an 'owner' module that allows you to match usernames |
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| 12:02.58 | Genia4 | AimHere: thanks |
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| 12:06.00 | smhar | I thinks I did some damage to my system. I tried apt-get purge apache2 mysql-server mysql-client but there ware still 'left-over' files under /var/www and /etc/apache2 so I deleted both. then I reinstalled the packages. now /etc/init.d/apache2 restart says: .: 45: Can't open /etc/apache2/envvars |
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| 12:08.19 | simonrvn | !conf-miss |
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| 12:08.25 | simonrvn | !confmiss |
| 12:08.25 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 12:08.30 | simonrvn | smhar: ^^^ |
| 12:08.50 | Genia4 | I'l a little confused with iptables. I'd like to have all traffic from a certain user go outside through a certain interface, which chain should I be using? |
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| 12:10.08 | krion | Genia4: nat prerouting i think |
| 12:10.14 | smhar | simonrvn, did a apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 but still getting the same error |
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| 12:10.48 | simonrvn | smhar: you ned to do that with the right package, which is apache2.2-common |
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| 12:13.31 | basty | Hi |
| 12:13.41 | basty | is it possible to get a BCM5716 nic to work on debian 5.0 ? |
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| 12:14.08 | basty | as soon as I try to install the latest 5.0.4 - the nic is not getting found. |
| 12:14.14 | krion | basty: wirelless ?? |
| 12:14.30 | krion | i think you need lastest 2.6.32 |
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| 12:15.46 | basty | krion: no...just a 1Gbit internal nic of a dell poweredge r410 |
| 12:16.00 | smhar | simonrvn, I got that. doing.. done. working -almost- |
| 12:16.19 | smhar | simonrvn, I got this error now: * Restarting web server apache2 Syntax error on line 161 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 12:16.19 | smhar | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 12:16.40 | simonrvn | man a2enmod |
| 12:16.41 | tsv | hi, does anyone know the name of the GNOME package to configure monitors? I wish to install it w/out GNOME |
| 12:16.55 | krion | basty: you speak french ? |
| 12:17.02 | krion | basty: http://blog.garnett.fr/?p=388 :-D |
| 12:17.04 | basty | krion: just german ;-) |
| 12:17.25 | basty | krion: it seems, that i will have to upgrade the kernel - right ? |
| 12:17.41 | krion | basty: looks like you have to create a custom usb stick or cd with a kernel who's got bcm5716 driver |
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| 12:18.31 | basty | krion: but the bcm5716 driver needs a "newer" kernel than 2.6.26....or is there a possibility to get the driver into the original 2.6.26 of debian ? |
| 12:19.13 | krion | don't know |
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| 12:19.36 | krion | personnally i've to install a 2.6.32 in order to get my b43 wireless revision firmware to work |
| 12:22.03 | basty | krion: problem is, that i have to setup an asterisk pbx with zaptel. The "old" Zaptel drivers wont work on the 2.6.30+.... :-/ |
| 12:22.15 | basty | so i would like to keep the 2.6.26 with a patch.. |
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| 12:25.31 | honschu | Is there a webshop in the debian-repository? |
| 12:26.00 | simonrvn | webshop? |
| 12:26.08 | Genia4 | I'd like to have all traffic originating from a certain user to go through a certain interface. I can't seem to get it to work. Any hints? |
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| 12:26.21 | simonrvn | /join #netfilter |
| 12:26.22 | honschu | yes, a webshop. where you sell stuff online. |
| 12:26.33 | simonrvn | !tell honschu -about search |
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| 12:30.47 | blizard | new hack tools exploits,vulnerabilities,videos,shellcode on www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
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| 12:31.13 | blizard | new hack tools exploits,vulnerabilities,videos,shellcode on www.team3d.3xforum.ro |
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| 12:31.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 12:33.18 | abrotman | wonders if he'd be dumb enough to come back .. |
| 12:34.59 | smhar | simonrvn, it was not like this the first time I installed apache2. It Just Wokred. cann't I just make it back as it was ? |
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| 12:35.23 | simonrvn | re-read what i said |
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| 12:38.55 | smhar | simonrvn, I did apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common. and it almost worked but now I get the errors about a: yntax error on line 161 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:, Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. The said line is "Order allow,deny" . the only other comment from you was about man a2enmod which I am not sure what modules I should load now. |
| 12:38.56 | smhar | I just want apache2 running first. |
| 12:39.13 | simonrvn | 07:16:40 simonrvn | man a2enmod |
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| 12:41.04 | BSD-CLI | hi |
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| 12:43.49 | abrotman | smhar: that command replaces missing conf files, not broken ones |
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| 12:47.47 | abrotman | BSD-CLI: /msg dpkg mentjors |
| 12:47.49 | abrotman | BSD-CLI: /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 12:50.17 | adb | abrotman, nothing about add make a path ? |
| 12:50.33 | abrotman | english? |
| 12:50.54 | adb | how to make a patch* |
| 12:51.34 | abrotman | man diff ? |
| 12:51.51 | adb | that's it, tks |
| 12:52.28 | smhar | abrotman, so? what should I do? I have reinstalled apache2, mysql-server, libapache2-mod-php but still basic apache is not working |
| 12:52.53 | BSD-CLI | Thanks abrotman, what about <nmg>? |
| 12:53.01 | abrotman | BSD-CLI: /msg dpkg nmb |
| 12:53.02 | abrotman | BSD-CLI: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 12:55.54 | BSD-CLI | I'm interested in becoming a packager. I already know how to create MSI, EXE (InnoSetup & NSIS), and recently learnt the basics of creating .deb's & .rpm's. Also interested in learning how to create .dmg's & all the other [less-popular] package formats, so that I can become a professional (unpaid) packager. Package management has always interested me, and I'd love to be able to contribute to the open-source community. |
| 12:56.12 | BSD-CLI | Can I please have an invite to #debian-mentor to continue my packaging-education? |
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| 12:57.05 | abrotman | BSD-CLI: you did't read .. it's on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:59.40 | smhar | abrotman, simonrvn, ok. someon @ #httpd (apache) said I need mod_authz_host which I did not find in repo |
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| 12:59.58 | simonrvn | smhar: a2enmod |
| 13:00.03 | simonrvn | smhar: a2enmod |
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| 13:00.24 | simonrvn | smhar: do you want me to tell you a third time? |
| 13:00.46 | abrotman | fifth actually ... |
| 13:00.59 | simonrvn | yes, 5th ;) |
| 13:01.14 | simonrvn | !lart smhar |
| 13:01.14 | dpkg | eats smhar and falls over dead |
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| 13:04.02 | simonrvn | if you ask me again smhar, i'm going to ignore you completely. |
| 13:04.58 | ivers | hmm, anyone looked into iPhone ICS without jailbreaking ? |
| 13:05.36 | abrotman | ask the iphone channel? |
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| 13:08.11 | smhar | simonrvn, sorry I though I needed to supply the name of the module with a2enmod, like the examples in the man. did not think of running it alone. it is working now.. thank you :-) -and sorry- . I am getting a The requested URL / was not found on this server. when going to 127.0.0.1 and the /var/www is still empty. but atleast /etc/init.d/apache2 restart works :-) |
| 13:09.37 | pwet | hello |
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| 13:10.43 | pwet | i would like to verify a freshly downloaded dvd update iso of lenny 5.04, but the sha1sums files give 4 possible checkums for the iso, what am i suppose to do? |
| 13:11.07 | streuner | just use apt-get upgrade? |
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| 13:11.58 | streuner | or, the hard way, just download it again |
| 13:12.21 | pwet | streuner: that's not an option, but i got my answer, the bug has been reported on debian-cd mailing list (http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2010/02/msg00003.html) |
| 13:12.36 | simonrvn | smhar: good |
| 13:12.39 | pwet | (and i got my answer now) |
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| 13:14.33 | streuner | pwet: only 2 minutes to solve such a problem, nice work :-) |
| 13:14.36 | streuner | oh, gone. |
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| 13:14.55 | vy | Hi! Could anybody help with this [http://privatepaste.com/53af9ffeb5 -- feel free to base64-decode] Postfix SMTP problem please? I'm sure the password is correct (I can login to the system) and webmail works without a problem with that username/pasword. What might be the problem? |
| 13:16.29 | smhar | now I am missing the 'it works' page from apache as /vat/www is totally empty. do I need to install some package to populate it or do I need to do it manually? |
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| 13:16.49 | simonrvn | streuner: s/he asked in the other one too |
| 13:17.10 | streuner | simonrvn: oh, ic |
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| 13:18.06 | strk | is dvb_core module packaged for debian/linux (lenny) ? |
| 13:18.25 | strk | I can't find it from the website package search tool |
| 13:19.15 | smhar | originally, when I first installed apache, it placed some files and folders in /var/www, including and index.html saying it works when pointing the browser to 127.0.0.1. for some 'stupid' reason, I had removed those files and folders, then I had to reinstall apache, mysql-server, php, but this folder is still empty |
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| 13:22.24 | simonrvn | smhar: in sid anyway, i don't see any /var/www files for apache2 stuff. in the older packages probably. |
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| 13:26.16 | smhar | simonrvn, but should going to localhost says something by default, not it says The requested URL / was not found on this server. |
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| 13:27.22 | simonrvn | not if there's no index. there ;p |
| 13:28.31 | simonrvn | same on lenny. maybe the'ye copied in from /usr/share somwhere |
| 13:28.37 | simonrvn | they're |
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| 13:29.59 | smhar | simonrvn, true, but the default install puts an index files there. now it does not. now I placed a php file containing <?php phpinfo(); ?> and I still get url problem. |
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| 13:31.24 | simonrvn | check where the default host's docroot is |
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| 13:32.59 | smhar | simonrvn, it is /etc/apache2 |
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| 13:33.32 | simonrvn | check sites-available/ |
| 13:33.44 | simonrvn | too |
| 13:34.43 | smhar | simonrvn, oops, serverroot is: /etc/apache2 |
| 13:34.47 | simonrvn | . . o O ( man, why do i still remember this stuff? i don't even use it anymore .. ) |
| 13:35.45 | smhar | simonrvn, because you were goot at it :-) |
| 13:36.08 | simonrvn | i did for too long :P |
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| 13:38.00 | simonrvn | gl smhar - you'll figure it out (been up all night, after a short nap. tired now.) |
| 13:38.10 | smhar | simonrvn, how to know where my DocumentRoot is |
| 13:38.29 | smhar | simonrvn, thanks alot.. you have been alot of help |
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| 13:38.49 | simonrvn | look in <VirtualHost> it'll say DocumentRoot |
| 13:39.24 | rednammoc | hi out there. i have some problems mounting my raid1 on startup with cryptsetup. normal step should be "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1". Next step "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md0 encrypted-raid-name". Now mounting devices via "mount /dev/mapper/[mapped-device] /destination". So far so good. Doing that automatically i needed to write my mapped-devices into /etc/fstab and my crypt device in |
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| 13:39.36 | smhar | simonrvn, is it a directory? cause I have no such thing |
| 13:40.02 | streuner | smhar: its apache2? |
| 13:40.30 | smhar | streuner, Server version: Apache/2.2.14 (Debian |
| 13:40.33 | streuner | smhar: <VirtualHost> was in apache1 in apache.conf |
| 13:42.17 | streuner | smhar: what happend in the meantime (missing /var/www)? |
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| 13:42.50 | smhar | apache.conf says it virtualhost conf is in sites-enabled but it is empty folder |
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| 13:44.05 | dioz_mio | how can i change my grub booting order of my operating systems? |
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| 13:44.23 | azazel | hi all |
| 13:44.55 | smhar | streuner, I had a working apache2 on my squeeze system, for some reason I uninstalled it but many files in /etc/apache, /etc/apache2, /var/www were still there. so I manually deleted them. and problems stared. I had to reinstall all of the packages again but I still have /var/www empty |
| 13:45.35 | azazel | how to know what's the version of the vserver patches used to build -vserver kernels? should i trust the changelog for source package linux2.6? |
| 13:45.37 | streuner | smhar: pretty normal, there should only index.html by default |
| 13:47.17 | smhar | streuner, not even that. and putting one there still give 'The requested URL / was not found on this server' when going to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 13:52.09 | rednammoc | hi out there. i have some problems mounting my raid1 on startup with cryptsetup. normal step should be "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1". Next step "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md0 encrypted-raid-name". Now mounting devices via "mount /dev/mapper/[mapped-device] /destination". So far so good. Doing that automatically i needed to write my mapped-devices into /etc/fstab and my crypt device in |
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| 13:53.38 | smhar | streuner, you got any idea of what is wrong? |
| 13:53.38 | pav5088 | Any Nagios gurus here? I'm a beginner at Nagios, and I'm using the Debian packages (in Squeeze). I'm following the documentation on how to monitor a router, and check_snmp and check_mrtgtraf arent available in commands.cfg (or in the whole nagios3 config directory - I checked with grep). What's going on? Is there a difference in the Debian packages? |
| 13:54.17 | pav5088 | The docs say these commands should be available. |
| 13:55.00 | ulgo | I think there is a nagios plugin package, is it installed? |
| 13:56.27 | smhar | streuner, starting apache2, I got these errors: could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName (strange) |
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| 13:56.47 | smhar | and :[warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 13:58.13 | streuner | smhar: everything worked before? |
| 13:58.25 | filePeter | ls |
| 13:58.27 | streuner | smhar: what happend in the meantime? |
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| 14:00.13 | smhar | streuner, yes. I could place files in /var/www and they showup in browser callin g 127.0.0.1. I tried doing some virtual hosts and I missed the config files so I removed apache, the manually removed the leftover files in /var/www and /etc/apache, when I reinstalled apache again, I could not connect to local host |
| 14:01.06 | streuner | smhar: just try /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 14:03.17 | smhar | streuner, I checked the /var/log/apache2/error.log and found this: [error] [client 127.0.1.1] File does not exist: /htdocs |
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| 14:04.05 | smhar | streuner, oh.. I did that with both apache2 and apache2.2-common but still |
| 14:05.20 | streuner | smhar: well, the log told you exactly what it want |
| 14:06.28 | smhar | streuner, is this /htdoc to / or to /var/www? because I have neither |
| 14:06.47 | smhar | streuner, and why it is not created by default? |
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| 14:10.39 | smhar | streuner, maybe it should be first thing first. why doe not apache finds my local host and uses 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1? |
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| 14:20.21 | vlcn | tried to install squeeze this morning |
| 14:20.30 | vlcn | keyboard stops working aster the install proces starts |
| 14:20.45 | vlcn | IE I can't select a locale or anything |
| 14:21.15 | vlcn | debian lenny disc works except for the fact it won't pick up my ide controller right |
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| 14:22.10 | Zharf | mh |
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| 14:22.19 | Zharf | I didn't have any problems a week ago |
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| 14:24.11 | smhar | is it possible to uninstall apache fully and cleanly and reinstall it again so it reconfigures itself fully? |
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| 14:25.43 | ehnde | does debian have any sort of centralized forums that i could search/post on? |
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| 14:26.36 | ehnde | nevermind http://forums.debian.net |
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| 14:32.05 | wert | whats the command for filling out xorg.conf automatically? i can't find it |
| 14:32.33 | Arrowmaster | do you have an xorg.conf? if you dont its already done automatically |
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| 14:32.44 | abrotman | wert: X -configure .. but you shouldn't need it anymore |
| 14:34.09 | wert | how come I shouldn't have it anymore? I guess things have changed since I last set up X |
| 14:34.39 | wert | but nothing is set up right now for x. when i startx my monitor goes blank and my keyboard stops working. |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | wert: it's supposed to probe your hardware .. and guess correctly |
| 14:35.55 | wert | hmm weird. it didn't. is there a command i need to enter for it to do that? |
| 14:36.09 | wert | there is absolutely nothing in my xorg.conf |
| 14:36.33 | abrotman | wert: X -configure .. but you shouldn't need it anymore |
| 14:37.47 | wert | there were some configurations when i first installed the package, but they were just keyboard related. nothing screen related |
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| 14:38.39 | wert | abrotman still uses xorg.conf in the same way, right? nothing has changed from, like, 2005? heh. I haven't installed linux since the early 2000s |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | wert: it will generate an xorg.conf .. put it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf .. edit it as you need |
| 14:39.08 | abrotman | wert: how did you install xorg though ? |
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| 14:44.20 | iacopodeenosee | hi all |
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| 14:44.36 | wert | apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 14:44.54 | abrotman | wert: wrong .. the package is 'xorg' |
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| 14:45.08 | wert | well, i forgot the exact name |
| 14:45.11 | abrotman | which might fix your problems .. in general, if oyu can do it without the xorg.conf .. that's better |
| 14:45.14 | wert | it might have been apt-get install xorg |
| 14:45.26 | abrotman | wert: aptitude install xorg .. not apt-get, not xserver-xorg |
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| 14:46.03 | wert | alright i might try that out |
| 14:46.18 | wert | filling out xorg.conf manually might be a bit of a pain |
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| 14:47.22 | Arrowmaster | xorg, xserver-xorg-input-all, and xserver-xorg-video-all are what gets installed by default on a new install |
| 14:47.47 | Gryflhas | Hi kids ;) Is there a way to change my i686-lenny with 64-bit-kernel in amd64lenny ? |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | Gryflhas: reinstall |
| 14:48.02 | iacopodeenosee | i have a problem with the fglrx module build for kernel 2.6.30,when i do m-a build fglrx the box meet this error: http://paste.debian.net/58910/ |
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| 14:51.15 | JordiGH | Someone claims to have installed Octave 3.2.4 from an Italian mirror, but p.d.o only lists 3.2.3 as available. How does this happen? |
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| 14:51.54 | Arrowmaster | judd versions octave |
| 14:51.55 | judd | octave -- etch: 1:2.1.73-13 |
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| 14:53.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: sometimes packages.debian.org is out of date .. best for you to manually check it yourself |
| 14:53.21 | JordiGH | I did. My own mirror agrees with p.d.o |
| 14:53.42 | abrotman | oh well |
| 14:53.49 | JordiGH | I checked, and the Italian mirror does indeed have the 3.2.4 version. |
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| 14:54.11 | JordiGH | Is there a way to check what's recently gone through NEW? |
| 14:54.28 | rzl | hi, i'm using debian testing but can't get pSX (playstation emulator) working because it makes Xorg CRASH |
| 14:54.40 | rzl | does anyone use it without problem ? |
| 14:55.09 | rzl | shall i do some bug report about that ? |
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| 14:55.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: i see 3.2.4 on other mirrors also . as i said .. pdo is sometmies out of date |
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| 14:56.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Is there a record of what's gone recently through NEW? |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/octave3.2/news/20100131T185022Z.html .. guess your mirror is out of date |
| 14:56.16 | JordiGH | Ah, QA is not out of date? |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: if you're using unstable, you should already know how to find this .. have fun |
| 14:56.26 | JordiGH | I'm not. Someone else is. |
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| 14:57.22 | abrotman | same premise |
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| 15:02.27 | freaky[t] | hi all. how do I remove a user from a group? |
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| 15:02.59 | JordiGH | freaky[t]: Other than editing /user/group? |
| 15:03.12 | JordiGH | Er, /etc/group? |
| 15:03.18 | freaky[t] | yes |
| 15:03.20 | freaky[t] | other than |
| 15:03.22 | freaky[t] | please |
| 15:03.25 | JordiGH | usermod |
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| 15:07.01 | jelly-hme | judd: versions octave |
| 15:07.01 | judd | octave -- etch: 1:2.1.73-13 |
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| 15:26.02 | abrotman | judd: versions octave3.2 |
| 15:26.04 | judd | octave3.2 -- squeeze: 3.2.3-1 sid: 3.2.4-1 |
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| 15:29.59 | smacnay | anyone here moved over to oss4 from alsa? I am interested in trying but would like to know how smooth or rough the process was. |
| 15:30.04 | JordiGH | Bah, the person I was helping sent me a fake email address to reply to. Fuck him, he doesn't want to be helped. |
| 15:30.19 | DEbiansqueeze | if i want to launch pidgin -f how do i do that |
| 15:30.27 | themill | ,names octave* |
| 15:30.27 | judd | octave* in lenny, i386: octave2.1 1:2.1.73-19; octave2.1-doc 1:2.1.73-19; octave2.1-emacsen 1:2.1.73-19; octave2.1-forge 2006.03.17+dfsg1-7+b1; octave2.1-headers 1:2.1.73-19; octave2.1-htmldoc 1:2.1.73-19; octave2.1-info 1:2.1.73-19; octave2.9 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave2.9-doc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave2.9-emacsen 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave2.9-headers 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave2.9-htmldoc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; (4 more messages) |
| 15:30.32 | themill | abrotman: ^^ :) |
| 15:30.40 | JordiGH | So what happened to dpkg? |
| 15:30.42 | abrotman | cheddar! |
| 15:31.11 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: TBH, it seems n-m is creeping into more and more stuff .. probably easier to just embrace it sadly |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | themill: dare i ask about .. |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | ,more |
| 15:32.16 | abrotman | ,more themill |
| 15:32.17 | judd | octave2.9-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-dbg 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-doc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-emacsen 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-headers 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-htmldoc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave-ad 1.0.2-1; octave-audio 1.1.1-2; octave-bioinfo 0.1.0-1; octave-combinatorics 1.0.6-1; octave-communications 1.0.6-1; octave-control (3 more messages) |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | ,more themill |
| 15:32.19 | judd | octave2.9-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-dbg 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-doc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-emacsen 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-headers 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-htmldoc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave-ad 1.0.2-1; octave-audio 1.1.1-2; octave-bioinfo 0.1.0-1; octave-combinatorics 1.0.6-1; octave-communications 1.0.6-1; octave-control (3 more messages) |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | ,more themill |
| 15:32.20 | judd | octave2.9-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-dbg 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-doc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-emacsen 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-headers 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-htmldoc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave-ad 1.0.2-1; octave-audio 1.1.1-2; octave-bioinfo 0.1.0-1; octave-combinatorics 1.0.6-1; octave-communications 1.0.6-1; octave-control (3 more messages) |
| 15:32.24 | abrotman | thinks not so good ? |
| 15:32.26 | themill | !spank abrotman |
| 15:32.26 | dpkg | bends abrotman over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 15:32.37 | abrotman | and doesn't seem to work ? |
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| 15:32.50 | themill | ,more |
| 15:32.51 | judd | octave2.9-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-dbg 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-doc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-emacsen 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-headers 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-htmldoc 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave3.0-info 1:3.0.1-6lenny3; octave-ad 1.0.2-1; octave-audio 1.1.1-2; octave-bioinfo 0.1.0-1; octave-combinatorics 1.0.6-1; octave-communications 1.0.6-1; octave-control (3 more messages) |
| 15:32.54 | themill | ,more |
| 15:32.56 | judd | 1.0.6-1; octave-data-smoothing 1.0.0-1; octave-econometrics 1.0.6-2; octave-epstk 2.2-11; octave-financial 0.2.2-1; octave-fixed 0.7.6-2; octave-ftp 1.0-1; octave-general 1.0.6-1; octave-graceplot 1.0.5-2; octave-gsl 1.0.6-2; octave-ident 1.0.5-1; octave-image 1.0.6-3; octave-informationtheory 0.1.5-1; octave-io 1.0.6-1; octave-irsa 1.0.5-1; octave-linear-algebra 1.0.5-1; octave-miscellaneous (2 more messages) |
| 15:33.00 | themill | abrotman: wfm! |
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| 15:33.32 | wols | themill: wank the fine manual? |
| 15:33.57 | themill | wols: whatever does it for you! I don't want to know. |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | themill: it may work for you .. but i could |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | ,more themill |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | ,more themill |
| 15:34.20 | judd | 1.0.6-3; octave-missing-functions 1.0.0-1; octave-nan 1.0.6-1; octave-nnet 0.1.7-2; octave-octcdf 1.0.9-2; octave-octgpr 1.1.3-1; octave-odebvp 1.0.4-1; octave-odepkg 0.6.0-1; octave-optim 1.0.3-3; octave-optiminterp 0.3.1-1; octave-outliers 0.13.7-2; octave-parallel 1.0.6-1; octave-pfstools 1.6.4-2; octave-physicalconstants 0.1.5-1; octave-pkg-dev 0.5.7; octave-plot 1.0.5-2; octave-plplot 5.9.0-8; (1 more message) |
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| 15:34.21 | judd | 1.0.6-3; octave-missing-functions 1.0.0-1; octave-nan 1.0.6-1; octave-nnet 0.1.7-2; octave-octcdf 1.0.9-2; octave-octgpr 1.1.3-1; octave-odebvp 1.0.4-1; octave-odepkg 0.6.0-1; octave-optim 1.0.3-3; octave-optiminterp 0.3.1-1; octave-outliers 0.13.7-2; octave-parallel 1.0.6-1; octave-pfstools 1.6.4-2; octave-physicalconstants 0.1.5-1; octave-pkg-dev 0.5.7; octave-plot 1.0.5-2; octave-plplot 5.9.0-8; (1 more message) |
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| 15:34.28 | abrotman | !pal me |
| 15:34.28 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs hysterically |
| 15:35.19 | smacnay | abrotman, I am sorry, what is 'n-m'? |
| 15:35.46 | abrotman | network-manager |
| 15:35.53 | planet8 | I have an Audigy sound card, but often when I boot Debian it chooses pcsp as the sound, and my sound isn't working. When pscp is chosen sound comes from a small speaker like component on the motherboard. Is it possible to somehow restart the sound system without having to reboot. |
| 15:36.16 | smacnay | abrotman, ahh, that app that appeared in my gnome desktop some months ago. |
| 15:36.50 | smacnay | abrotman, my system worked fine without it and seems to still work with it. |
| 15:37.01 | abrotman | smacnay: it does .. but some applicatoins want it to be used .. like pidgin |
| 15:37.06 | smacnay | is going to take oss4 for a spin. |
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| 15:37.28 | smacnay | abrotman, that is true, I remember getting dependency issues when I tried to remove it. |
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| 15:37.55 | project2501b | hey guys, where is the guy to installing from USB? |
| 15:38.04 | smacnay | is showing his son how the /me works |
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| 15:38.31 | abrotman | !tell project2501b about usb install |
| 15:38.34 | JordiGH | I wish my dad taught me how to IRC. |
| 15:38.41 | abrotman | doesn't |
| 15:38.44 | ma3x | how can i create bootable usb stick from image.iso (containing opensolaris)? |
| 15:39.23 | XLV | ma3x, http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:39.24 | project2501b | abrotman: thanks! |
| 15:39.29 | abrotman | ma3x: ask them, not us |
| 15:39.36 | smacnay | abrotman, no sure what you run on your desktop (I always am interested in what you run because of your knowledge level) but I am enjoying xfce and am trying to ditch a lot of the gnome-centric apps. |
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| 15:40.08 | abrotman | smacnay: why? if they work well, why avoid them? |
| 15:40.15 | ma3x | abrotman: it's a perfect debian question, how to create bootable usb stick in debian from image.iso containing linux or other os.. |
| 15:40.22 | planet8 | In /proc/asound/cards I have pcsp as 0, and audigy as 1, how do I change that? |
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| 15:40.29 | smacnay | JordiGH, my son is interested in how the computer runs |
| 15:40.34 | project2501b | AXA |
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| 15:40.37 | project2501b | aha |
| 15:40.42 | abrotman | ma3x: no, ask them how to create a bootable USB drive from their ISO .. |
| 15:40.43 | JordiGH | smacnay: Your son will be coding in C in no time. |
| 15:40.54 | project2501b | that's how i fucked up. i didn'tput a boot loader on the stick |
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| 15:41.40 | ma3x | abrotman: their method describes it on their os. i use debian i dont have solaris |
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| 15:41.58 | abrotman | ma3x: then their instructions need help .. |
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| 15:42.14 | syrius | how do I list licenses that a package has with apt? |
| 15:42.46 | smacnay | abrotman, yes, some of them do work but some of them seem to lose all my work and personal addresses with no warning. |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | syrius: you don't really .. they're in the doc directories .. or you can use packages.debian.org |
| 15:42.55 | abrotman | smacnay: haven't noticed that issue |
| 15:43.06 | project2501b | how do i specify "End of the available fucking disk" to parted? |
| 15:43.29 | ma3x | abrotman: so debian has no general method for making usb bootable flash drives from image.iso? something like dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdc? |
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| 15:43.38 | abrotman | ma3x: try it and see .. have fun |
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| 15:44.55 | cahoot | ma3x: get yourself a copy of unetbootin |
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| 15:45.19 | ma3x | cahoot: i dont see open/solaris supported in their list |
| 15:45.24 | abrotman | THEN ASK THEM |
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| 15:46.04 | smacnay | abrotman, I was doing my billing and my entire address book disappeared and I could not merge info into my bills |
| 15:46.15 | smacnay | abrotman, I noticed |
| 15:46.19 | abrotman | smacnay: send them all a bill :) |
| 15:46.52 | smacnay | abrotman, hehe, using other software... that would get the message across. |
| 15:46.54 | syrius | how do you find out what package it is referred to? |
| 15:46.55 | syrius | Package kernel-patch-grsecurity2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 15:47.15 | abrotman | syrius: apt-cache search ? |
| 15:47.25 | syrius | search for?? |
| 15:47.45 | syrius | apt-cache search kernel-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 15:48.58 | pfuender | ma3x: have a look at this: http://devzone.sites.pid0.org/OpenSolaris/opensolaris-liveusb-creator -- at the bottom you also have some links which might help.. |
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| 15:50.39 | syrius | abrotman, the package that comes up after that search is the one that it is referred to? |
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| 15:50.56 | abrotman | syrius: which version of debian ? |
| 15:51.13 | syrius | I am using ubuntu 9.10 |
| 15:51.22 | syrius | I just ask in here cause you guys probably would know |
| 15:51.30 | syrius | cause you are more likely to use apt |
| 15:51.52 | JordiGH | An Ubuntite! |
| 15:51.56 | JordiGH | Attack, attack, attack! |
| 15:51.58 | JordiGH | !ubuntu |
| 15:51.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:52.26 | syrius | hmm |
| 15:52.27 | syrius | :/ |
| 15:52.36 | syrius | well I use debian on my powerpc machines |
| 15:52.39 | syrius | :) |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | syrius: please go to #ubuntu for support |
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| 15:53.02 | JordiGH | syrius: apt-cache rdepends, maybe. |
| 15:53.07 | abrotman | JordiGH: go to #ubuntu with him |
| 15:53.22 | JordiGH | No way I'm going into that channel. |
| 15:53.26 | JordiGH | I don't have the bandwidth for ti. |
| 15:53.28 | syrius | when will debian support 3d for ati radeon xpress 200m? |
| 15:53.28 | abrotman | then don't support it here |
| 15:53.36 | syrius | that is the only thing holding me back |
| 15:53.46 | JordiGH | syrius: wir, siyh. |
| 15:53.56 | syrius | german? |
| 15:54.00 | syrius | was ist los? |
| 15:54.03 | JordiGH | !wir |
| 15:54.03 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 15:54.05 | JordiGH | !wiyh |
| 15:54.05 | abrotman | syrius: try it and see .. |
| 15:54.10 | JordiGH | !siyh |
| 15:54.10 | dpkg | i guess siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 15:54.14 | abrotman | syrius: when is the last time you tried? it should work |
| 15:54.27 | jelly-hme | syrius: the current squeeze drivers support R480, but it's still much slower than fglrx |
| 15:54.27 | syrius | debian 4 |
| 15:54.31 | JordiGH | Does ATI have good free drivers nowadays? |
| 15:54.39 | JordiGH | syrius: Whoa, that's over three years old now. |
| 15:54.43 | syrius | it works with ubuntu with free drivers |
| 15:54.52 | abrotman | syrius: i'd imagine squeeze would work then .. |
| 15:54.53 | syrius | I tried on debian 5 live |
| 15:55.03 | syrius | squeeze? |
| 15:55.04 | jelly-hme | my previous machine at work had xpress 200 (not m) |
| 15:55.11 | JordiGH | syrius: Really? I thought ATI only recently released free drivers, and I thought the free drivers didn't do 3d very well. |
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| 15:55.18 | syrius | 200m is the mobile version jelly |
| 15:55.37 | JordiGH | syrius: Uh, you don't think I mean "gratis", do you? |
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| 15:55.57 | Gryflhas | Hi did anyone install windows 7 in lennys virtualbox (that offers best visa as guest) |
| 15:56.00 | syrius | ubuntu paid some guy and gave him a free laptop with ati radeon xpress 200m to get 3d to work with ubuntu |
| 15:56.10 | syrius | that is why ubuntu has support for it |
| 15:56.24 | Gryflhas | If so, do you have problems with lenny-virutalbox-ose and win7 ? |
| 15:56.25 | wols | !tell Gryflhas about anyone |
| 15:56.27 | syrius | yes I know what free means JordiGH |
| 15:56.29 | abrotman | syrius: i'd imagine that support made it into the main xorg tree .. dunno when though |
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| 15:56.32 | syrius | free as in free speech |
| 15:56.32 | JordiGH | syrius: And it's a free driver, so Debian can have it too? |
| 15:56.40 | wols | Gryflhas: ask real questions. don't take polls |
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| 15:56.53 | syrius | I tried with debian 5 live no 3d worked |
| 15:57.06 | abrotman | !tell syrius about squeeze |
| 15:57.07 | JordiGH | syrius: Which driver was it using? |
| 15:57.09 | syrius | but I was able to get 3d to work via proprietary drives |
| 15:57.11 | wols | syrius: debian5 packages are about 2 years old. try a more recent one |
| 15:57.38 | syrius | but not stable debian is not recommended |
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| 15:57.46 | syrius | for production use |
| 15:57.50 | syrius | only stable is |
| 15:57.52 | abrotman | syrius: it's a laptop ... |
| 15:57.53 | ma3x | is there easy way (using the command line) to create usb bootable stick with debian on it? im using stable so i can't install unetbootin |
| 15:57.55 | wols | syrius: for comparison, ubuntu is based on unstable debian |
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| 15:58.02 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unaffiliated/ma3x] by abrotman |
| 15:58.02 | JordiGH | wols: And it shows, if you ask me. |
| 15:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 15:58.11 | wols | JordiGH: obviosuly |
| 15:58.14 | abrotman | ma3x: ask the channel for the OS that created the ISO |
| 15:58.15 | Gryflhas | ok, are there known problems, if I install win7 on virtualbox-ose in lenny (vista choosen as best option) |
| 15:58.15 | syrius | but ubuntu releases security fixes and debian doesn't |
| 15:58.26 | abrotman | syrius: security.debian.org ? |
| 15:58.29 | wols | Gryflhas: bugs.debian.org knows |
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| 15:58.42 | syrius | for debian unstable I though it doesn't give security updates |
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| 15:58.59 | syrius | or did they change that? |
| 15:59.03 | JordiGH | syrius: Yes, you shouldn't use unstable (or Ubuntu) if you don't like bugs. |
| 15:59.17 | syrius | ic |
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| 16:00.00 | syrius | squeeze is going to be released soon? |
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| 16:00.03 | syrius | wow that is pretty quick |
| 16:00.36 | abrotman | syrius: it hasn't even frozen yet |
| 16:00.38 | wols | debian release date announcements are the best FUD in the industry. not even MSFT can match that |
| 16:01.20 | jelly-hme | wols: it's not good FUD if noone buys it |
| 16:01.24 | JordiGH | wols: I don't think you know what FUD means. |
| 16:01.35 | JordiGH | wols: It's not a synonym for "lies". |
| 16:01.36 | wols | syrius just did |
| 16:02.14 | wols | Fear "oh noes, I have to update again soon" Uncertainty "are they really gonne release it? ever?" Doubt "I doubt the release manager is sane to commit to this date" |
| 16:02.18 | syrius | when will squeese be released? |
| 16:02.19 | wols | lots of FUD all around |
| 16:02.27 | jelly-hme | syrius: no one can tell |
| 16:02.30 | pingfloyd | where's the fear, uncertainty, and doubt in debian release date announcements? |
| 16:02.32 | jelly-hme | !wir |
| 16:02.32 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 16:02.56 | jelly-hme | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 16:02.56 | dpkg | ! <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 valdyn=2010-10-30 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
| 16:03.13 | pingfloyd | FUD is fear mongering |
| 16:03.25 | jelly-hme | this is not |
| 16:03.29 | pingfloyd | kind of a whole different concept than slipping a deadline |
| 16:03.31 | jelly-hme | ##semantics, people |
| 16:04.09 | abrotman | pingfloyd: 'uncertainty' ? |
| 16:05.20 | pingfloyd | abrotman: what about it? |
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| 16:05.27 | JordiGH | is hopeful for a squeeze release for early autumn. |
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| 16:05.48 | wols | optimist. no optimist is too weak a word |
| 16:06.08 | wols | we don't even have any freeze announcements yet |
| 16:06.20 | JordiGH | wols: Debian managed an 18-month release cycle with lenny, not too optimist. :-) |
| 16:06.31 | JordiGH | wols: We had a tentative freeze for march. |
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| 16:07.25 | JordiGH | please squeeze freeze |
| 16:07.28 | JordiGH | I mean... |
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| 16:07.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: just stop |
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| 16:08.45 | syrius | does debian come with gstreamer plugins for proprietary codecs like the livecd does? |
| 16:09.17 | wols | if there are proprietary codecs on a cd, it is no debian cd |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | syrius: there is a gstreamer-plugins-bad/ugly |
| 16:09.27 | syrius | yes I know |
| 16:09.34 | jelly-hme | is ffmpeg proprietary? |
| 16:09.50 | syrius | I am talking about gstreamers plugins that can play proprietary codecs |
| 16:09.55 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: No, it's free, but it probably infinges patents. |
| 16:10.02 | abrotman | syrius: i just told you |
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| 16:10.05 | wols | ffmpeg is LGPG |
| 16:10.07 | wols | LGPL |
| 16:10.13 | syrius | gstreamer its self is not proprietary |
| 16:10.26 | syrius | so it comes by default abrotman ? |
| 16:10.27 | JordiGH | !tell syrius about marillat |
| 16:10.33 | syrius | marillat? |
| 16:10.36 | abrotman | JordiGH: please just go awayt |
| 16:11.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Maybe your plans have something to do with this? |
| 16:11.28 | syrius | yes I know about that site JordiGH |
| 16:11.34 | syrius | I have used that in the past |
| 16:11.39 | abrotman | syrius: yes .. bad/ugly are both in debian/main |
| 16:11.56 | syrius | so when you install debian it is already there? |
| 16:12.03 | JordiGH | syrius: My debian lappy can handle media formats quite well |
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| 16:12.21 | ivers | JordiGH: just like 100 fps while playing counter-strike ? |
| 16:12.22 | JordiGH | Also, I think Ubuntu chose to not put mp3 codecs in main, but Debian does. |
| 16:12.24 | abrotman | syrius: you have to install the packages, but yes, they are availalble |
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| 16:12.30 | JordiGH | ivers: What's a counterstrike? |
| 16:12.35 | syrius | that is what I mean by default |
| 16:12.42 | Selveste1 | Hey. I have a new install of debian lenny (5.0.4) and when i try to telnet to localhost I get an error tat the name is not valid. there is a local name-server on it, and host and dig both can list localhost to 127.0.0.1 where dos telnet and apache get there namelistes ? I have checked nsswitch and dns is set "file dns bcast" |
| 16:13.00 | abrotman | Selveste1: what is in /etc/hosts ? |
| 16:13.14 | syrius | so debian not livecd does not come with gstreamer ugly by default meaning they are installed on the livecd/installation disc |
| 16:13.26 | syrius | hmm |
| 16:13.41 | syrius | well I used debian livecd I was able to play mp3s |
| 16:13.48 | Selveste1 | abrotman: cat /ets/hosts - 127.0.0.1localhost |
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| 16:14.22 | abrotman | Selveste1: what is in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:15.14 | Selveste1 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d6c9d5759 |
| 16:15.18 | orion_x11 | I have had some problems to upgrade squeeze because a package called python2.6 and python-minimal is blocking the system for more than 3 weeks and I get a serious bug list showing that if I upgrade Xorg it will hang at boot time. I am locked and I do not know how to solve this. |
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| 16:15.37 | Selveste1 | abrotman: 192.168.1.182 is the server it-self |
| 16:16.01 | abrotman | Selveste1: is 'lo' up ? |
| 16:16.11 | CooPs89 | apt-get install libc6-dev gives me 404, what should I do? I need it to compile... |
| 16:16.17 | Selveste1 | abrotman: yeps |
| 16:16.20 | syrius | how do you avoid a government that takes dnses and puts there address to corrospond with the address and just modify the packages so it allows for backdoors or some other malicious intention |
| 16:16.24 | abrotman | Selveste1: put the output of 'nslookup localhost; host localhost; telnet localhost' in a pastebin |
| 16:16.27 | syrius | do you create your own dns? |
| 16:16.35 | abrotman | CooPs89: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade .. then try again |
| 16:16.38 | orion_x11 | I have downloaded all the upgrades, but they do not install properly |
| 16:16.49 | jelly-hme | abrotman: getent hosts localhost! |
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| 16:16.56 | abrotman | jelly-hme: i suppose |
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| 16:17.02 | Selveste1 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d1b61382e |
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| 16:17.42 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: it does say name _or service_ not known... is telnet present in /etc/services? |
| 16:17.49 | abrotman | Selveste1: why does localhost resolve to 192.168.1.182 ? |
| 16:18.20 | Selveste1 | abrotman & jelly-hme: sorry, its telnet to port 389 :P |
| 16:18.42 | timeoh | Hello, i have an Adpache server and i want to trust a second CA. It should be possible that an client certificate from another CA is capable so enter a secure area on my webserver without having a certificate of my CA |
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| 16:20.12 | Selveste1 | abrotman: the servers ip is ..1.182 but can that be the problem.? |
| 16:20.28 | abrotman | i don' thtink nslookup localhost should resolve to that |
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| 16:21.21 | orion_x11 | How can I upgrade squeeze? There is a package (python2.6 and python-minimal) blocking this. |
| 16:21.35 | abrotman | orion_x11: what is the error ? |
| 16:22.36 | timeoh | Can anybody tell me the "official" OpenSSL or Apache IRC channel? in #apache-ws are zero users |
| 16:22.58 | Selveste1 | abrotman: its the same on my lap (etch), and there is telnet localhost 389 working just fine |
| 16:23.04 | smhar | how to add karma to a user in a debian room? |
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| 16:23.32 | jelly-hme | dpkg: karma smhar |
| 16:23.32 | dpkg | smhar has neutral karma |
| 16:23.35 | jelly-hme | smhar++ |
| 16:23.37 | jelly-hme | dpkg: karma smhar |
| 16:23.39 | Selveste1 | timeoh: try in #apache |
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| 16:23.46 | abrotman | dpkg: karma smhar |
| 16:23.47 | dpkg | smhar has neutral karma |
| 16:23.51 | jelly-hme | !smhar++ |
| 16:23.52 | abrotman | oh, must be disabled again |
| 16:23.55 | jelly-hme | dpkg: karma smhar |
| 16:23.58 | abrotman | or not |
| 16:24.04 | jelly-hme | dpkg: karma smhar |
| 16:24.04 | dpkg | smhar has karma of 1 |
| 16:24.04 | smacnay | could dpkg tell me where blacklisting is done, please. |
| 16:24.14 | abrotman | smacnay: blacklisting of what ? |
| 16:24.22 | AimHere | dpkg: karma dpkg |
| 16:24.23 | dpkg | dpkg has karma of 14 |
| 16:24.28 | AimHere | !dpkg-- |
| 16:24.32 | smacnay | abrotman, unwanted modules on startup (trying to stop alsa from running). |
| 16:24.38 | jelly-hme | dpkg: karma dpkg |
| 16:24.38 | dpkg | dpkg has karma of 13 |
| 16:24.42 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about blacklist |
| 16:24.46 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about blacklist initramfs |
| 16:24.52 | abrotman | !tell smacnay about blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:24.59 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks |
| 16:25.06 | jelly-hme | smhar: I gather you got it now |
| 16:25.06 | orion_x11 | abrotman, xserver-xorg(1 bug) > Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] > grave bugs of xserver-xorg (1:7.5+2 -> 1:7.5+3) <forwarded> #568421 - X hangs after upgrade from 7.4 to 7.5 |
| 16:25.22 | smhar | jelly-hme, yes :-) |
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| 16:25.56 | abrotman | orion_x11: i thought you said it was python ? |
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| 16:26.54 | smacnay | abrotman, hmm, new file for me - /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf... things keep changing |
| 16:26.56 | Selveste1 | abrotman: any ideer y localhost is not working ? |
| 16:27.24 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: does getent hosts localhost work? |
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| 16:28.13 | smacnay | abrotman, I see that oss4 included a "no-ALSA" blacklist file. |
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| 16:28.59 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: don't get any error when i try to run "getent hosts localhost" |
| 16:29.26 | smacnay | will reboot and see what gets loaded... |
| 16:29.29 | abrotman | smacnay: dunno, don't use it |
| 16:29.36 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: do you get any output, though? |
| 16:29.48 | orion_x11 | abrotman, python2.6-minimal (de .../python2.6-minimal_2.6.4-4_i386.deb) ... new installation of python2.6-minimal; /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages is a directory which is expected a symlink to /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages.please find the package shipping files in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages and file a bug report to ship these in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages instead aborting installation of python2.6-minimal |
| 16:29.49 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: nope, no output at all |
| 16:30.04 | abrotman | orion_x11: not /usr/local/ |
| 16:30.08 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: then your resolver is broken, or configure not to use /etc/hosts |
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| 16:30.42 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: grep ^hosts /etc/msswitch.conf ? |
| 16:30.47 | timeoh | Selveste1: thx |
| 16:30.50 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 16:31.26 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: or pastebin the whole file, and /etc/hosts too |
| 16:31.59 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: the hosts: line should have at least this: "hosts: files dns" |
| 16:32.05 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: ~# grep ^hosts /etc/nsswitch.ldap output: hosts:files dns ldap |
| 16:32.06 | orion_x11 | abrotman, ???!!! |
| 16:32.34 | abrotman | orion_x11: use a pastebin fo rthe whole thing |
| 16:32.39 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: I said /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 16:33.07 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.com/d1820ac57 |
| 16:33.29 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: Dont have a nsswitch.conf it called nsswitch.ldap :S |
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| 16:33.42 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: and that's why it doesn't work. |
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| 16:34.58 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: restore nsswitch.conf from a backup; that ldap file may or may not be appropriate for your system. It seems to be and example for when ldap is configured. |
| 16:35.05 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: way the hell have nss-ldap removed the conf, when the rest of the system needs it :S |
| 16:35.10 | jelly-hme | s/and/an/ |
| 16:35.14 | abrotman | or your ldap is misconfigured ? |
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| 16:35.32 | m1 | hi ppl =][ |
| 16:35.36 | m1 | it's me again |
| 16:35.41 | jelly-hme | Selveste1: I can't say _what_ removed /etc/nsswitch.conf and dare not guess |
| 16:35.43 | m1 | I installed debain |
| 16:35.49 | m1 | but I got some problem |
| 16:35.50 | Selveste1 | abrotman: Im about to setup LDAP so it is misconfugured :P |
| 16:35.52 | m1 | http://www.siz.co.il/my.php?i=myzq3nlodymb.png |
| 16:35.58 | m1 | help me please |
| 16:36.20 | Selveste1 | jelly-hme: i have maked a link from nsswitch.ldap to nsswitch.conf and it works now :) thanks |
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| 16:36.44 | m1 | someone in the house? |
| 16:36.49 | beli | m1: be patient |
| 16:36.56 | m1 | ok |
| 16:37.02 | abrotman | m1: so configure sudo .. or don't use sudo, use su |
| 16:37.04 | beli | m1: you need to put m1 into the sudoers file...it just explained |
| 16:37.20 | m1 | beli, how? |
| 16:37.37 | Arrowmaster | su visudo |
| 16:37.46 | beli | m1: read the manual |
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| 16:37.55 | m1 | link pleasee? |
| 16:37.59 | beli | man visudo |
| 16:38.05 | abrotman | m1: or just use 'su' |
| 16:38.07 | Arrowmaster | er wait, i never use su so that was wrong |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 16:38.09 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 16:38.24 | Arrowmaster | su -c visudo |
| 16:38.25 | beli | m1: and man sudoers |
| 16:38.33 | m1 | ok 10x brb |
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| 16:39.04 | Arrowmaster | you want to add the line 'm1 ALL=(ALL) ALL' to the bottom of the file probably |
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| 16:39.44 | beli | Arrowmaster: i think he is new to linux and the first thing he has to learn is to read manuals...so dont give him full solutions ;) |
| 16:39.56 | jelly-hme | m1: debian doesn't come with sudo confogire by default. You can just use su to become root, then run apt-get (or better, aptitude) |
| 16:40.00 | Arrowmaster | i didnt give him a full solution |
| 16:40.15 | Arrowmaster | he still has to figure out how to operate whichever editor visudo opens up for him |
| 16:40.29 | Arrowmaster | hopefully its nano, but god help him if its vim |
| 16:40.29 | beli | common, you know what i mean |
| 16:40.37 | jelly-hme | Arrowmaster: and he doesn't really need that, but wants to install a package |
| 16:41.04 | Arrowmaster | yeah but he will be better off in the future with a working sudo |
| 16:41.21 | abrotman | why is that? |
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| 16:41.37 | m1 | ok so how can I add my user to sudo? |
| 16:41.48 | m1 | or su=sudo? |
| 16:41.53 | beli | m1: read the manual...man sudoers |
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| 16:42.09 | timeoh | debian sudo? |
| 16:42.13 | beli | m1: if you want to have success with linux, learn to read manuals...otherwise you will fail |
| 16:42.43 | jelly-hme | will now attempt to online resize a multipath device |
| 16:43.00 | timeoh | m1: try to enter in cmd: man man |
| 16:43.01 | m1 | beli, 10x for this advice |
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| 16:43.09 | m1 | I know to use linux |
| 16:43.31 | m1 | I have used ubuntu |
| 16:43.39 | beli | m1: trust me, you need to read! you are asking basic questions... |
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| 16:44.03 | timeoh | beli: dont be to hard to m1 |
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| 16:44.17 | m1 | timeoh, It's ok |
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| 16:44.25 | beli | timeoh: truth is hard |
| 16:44.53 | beli | s/$/ often/ |
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| 16:46.04 | timeoh | yes man is really important but sometimes i didnt get my answer even if i read this nice pages three or five times |
| 16:46.24 | beli | timeoh: thats right, but he didnt even try :) |
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| 16:47.34 | WormFood | I thought debian was a Linux distro |
| 16:47.48 | spectre- | you thought correctly |
| 16:47.53 | WormFood | why in the hell do they default the system clock to local time, instead of UTC?!?! |
| 16:47.56 | abrotman | WormFood: it has more than one kernel available |
| 16:47.59 | sunoano | gosh, lots of info using Google but nothing really valuable; can anyone recommend some internet product for Switzerland? ... ADSL, xDSL, whatever ... it's for private use, city Bern |
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| 16:48.09 | wols | WormFood: cause it's a windows world out there |
| 16:48.14 | abrotman | and it runs on PCs |
| 16:48.20 | jelly-hme | WormFood: defaults are irrelevant, if you know how to change them |
| 16:48.42 | jelly-hme | abrotman: that's not an argument for localtime |
| 16:48.44 | WormFood | it just makes no sense to not have a selection for utc/local time on install |
| 16:49.05 | abrotman | it does |
| 16:49.06 | WormFood | it makes no sense to have it default to local time instead of utc |
| 16:49.34 | WormFood | I just reinstalled debian, and there was no place to select the hardware clock mode, as utc or local time |
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| 16:49.46 | beli | WormFood: if you want a question for anything on installation you will need years to make your choices.... |
| 16:49.49 | WormFood | I just realized it was set to local time, which was the source of all my problems |
| 16:49.57 | niCe | I'm getting a "out of memory" on my debian root as i try starting a Gamingserver - but there is 7,1 GB Free - on my computer at home it only needs about 500 MB |
| 16:49.58 | abrotman | ISTR it asked me .. and more than enough people end up with UTC=yes |
| 16:49.58 | niCe | http://nopaste.info/59881711a8.html |
| 16:49.59 | m1 | I think I got it |
| 16:50.07 | m1 | beli, 10x |
| 16:50.15 | beli | m1 fine...keep on! |
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| 16:50.44 | m1 | beli, in your point of view,what is better?gnome or kde? |
| 16:50.54 | abrotman | m1: try them both and decide for yourself |
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| 16:51.34 | m1 | abrotman, I like the design of kde but it get me in trouble |
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| 16:51.51 | abrotman | then try something else .. we shouldn't be deciding for you |
| 16:52.04 | project2501b | can i change the order by which the loader loads libraries at run time, ie can i change the order in which ldconfig puts results in /etc/ld.config.so ? |
| 16:52.04 | m1 | abrotman, 10x a lot |
| 16:52.13 | beli | m1: dunno....i use fluxbox as wm....but thats....my choice ;) |
| 16:52.30 | abrotman | m1: many listed at xwinman.org if oyu want to look at others |
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| 16:53.06 | wols | niCe: this meminfo paste is BS |
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| 16:53.18 | wols | niCe: is this a VPS server or such? |
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| 16:53.53 | niCe | VPS server? |
| 16:53.57 | project2501b | cani change the order in which ldconfig puts results in /etc/ld.config.so ? |
| 16:54.03 | niCe | its runing in an openVZ |
| 16:54.33 | wols | VPS it is then |
| 16:54.39 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: Why would that matter? |
| 16:54.42 | niCe | aha ok |
| 16:55.16 | niCe | and what is ment with BS? - or what can i do? |
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| 16:55.41 | WormFood | abrotman, I noticed that when I ran apt-get build-dep for a program, it was missing a package it needed to compile (I manually installed the right package, and all is good)...is this worthwhile to file a bug report for, or whatever? |
| 16:56.05 | project2501b | jhutchins_lt: it matters for matlab.... |
| 16:56.18 | project2501b | it has it's own math libraries |
| 16:56.28 | abrotman | WormFood: in sid it would be |
| 16:56.47 | wols | BS = bullshit. not real in this case |
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| 16:57.14 | wols | niCe: what amount of memory is guaranteed by your hoster? basically we cannot help you only your hoster can imho |
| 16:57.27 | niCe | http://nopaste.info/e9bc7fe45d_nl.html |
| 16:57.46 | niCe | i am my own hoster^^ |
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| 16:57.51 | niCe | the root belongs to me |
| 16:58.39 | WormFood | abrotman, I think it did it to me in sid also, but not sure...last night I installed testing (upgraded from 32-bit sid, to 64-bit testing) |
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| 16:59.35 | wols | then give your openvz instance more memory? |
| 17:00.08 | niCe | ^^ i only have 12 GB, and there are 7 GB free |
| 17:00.09 | ravenbird | niCe: I haven't a clue. |
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| 17:00.54 | niCe | at home it uses only 1 GB (hole system with the gaming server) |
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| 17:02.30 | linhis | i did not have sound configured on my debian, and the last day according to thee tip i got from this channel, i did a backport install as per the instructions given on backports.org. and now my wifi is gone. though i hv my old kernel on the grub and can login to both the older and newer kernel. one has sound and one has wifi. help! :( |
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| 17:06.12 | cahoot | linhis: what wifi device? |
| 17:06.43 | linhis | built in |
| 17:06.52 | linhis | with my dell inspiron |
| 17:07.00 | cahoot | I suppose lspci -nn | grep -i net would give some info |
| 17:07.33 | linhis | 09:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 02) |
| 17:07.36 | linhis | 0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 17:07.45 | linhis | i'm logged in where wifi is working |
| 17:07.53 | linhis | not the other kernel |
| 17:08.15 | linhis | where sound is working and wifi isnt |
| 17:08.16 | linhis | ;) |
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| 17:08.40 | linhis | is there anyway i can copythis wifi driver there in the other kernel |
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| 17:08.42 | linhis | ?? |
| 17:08.49 | cahoot | cool it |
| 17:09.04 | linhis | ok ok |
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| 17:10.12 | dwon | Can anyone help? NFSv4 + Kerberos authentication broken since upgrade. lenny server, sid client. client gets "mount.nfs4: access denied by server while mounting rivest.dlitz.net:/" when mounting |
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| 17:10.41 | xand | wtf, GRUB has lost it. |
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| 17:11.15 | xand | boot menu contains these options: "root (hd0,0)", "makeactive", "chainloader +1", "savedefault" |
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| 17:13.18 | dwon | re: my NFS issue above: log on the client shows: " gando rpc.gssd[1407]: rpcsec_gss: gss_init_sec_context: (major) Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information - (minor) Program lacks support for encryption type" |
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| 17:15.18 | miki989 | hola |
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| 17:15.35 | cahoot | linhis: lspci -k |grep -i net -A 5 - to see what kernel module it uses |
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| 17:16.13 | fluorine | why oh why does debian insist on messing with my old xorg.conf rules? autorepeat is broken AGAIN. |
| 17:16.21 | dwon | re: my NFS issue: looks like it's documented in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krb5/+bug/512110 . Linux NFSv4 only supports DES (wtf!), and the krb5 people finally disabled that by default. |
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| 17:17.26 | pflanze | How do I make gdm or gnome load my .bash_profile? |
| 17:17.26 | m1 | debhelper, ? |
| 17:17.36 | beli | dwon: ever tried coda? |
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| 17:17.48 | HSorgYves | morning, should i use fastcgi oder fcgid? |
| 17:17.56 | linhis | cahoot:http://pastebin.com/d25f9aa7a |
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| 17:18.22 | beli | pflanze: bash profile is loaded by your initial bash shell (init shell) not by the wm |
| 17:18.52 | pflanze | beli: yes, ok, but then how I set up my initial environment, umask etc? |
| 17:18.58 | cahoot | linhis: (as root) modprobe -r wl; modprobe wl; dmesg - paste the last 20 or so lines on a pastebin |
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| 17:19.23 | beli | pflanze: for your user or for all new users? you edit ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:19.36 | beli | pflanze: for all new users edit the /etc/skel/ files |
| 17:19.59 | pflanze | beli: for my user. And exactly .bash_profile is what I'm editing and exactly the reason why I'm asking: how do I make it load? |
| 17:20.21 | dwon | beli: I think I tried coda years ago when I was figuring out what network fs to use. NFSv4 actually has decent unix semantics. What advantages/disadvantages are there to coda? |
| 17:20.33 | beli | pflanze: ah...relogin or use "source ~/.bash_profile" |
| 17:20.40 | pflanze | nah, automatically |
| 17:20.56 | pflanze | relogin how? ssh doesn't count. |
| 17:21.15 | pflanze | I want it active on my local system, after logging into a gnome session. |
| 17:21.36 | pflanze | And be active for terminals started through gnome, for example. |
| 17:21.44 | beli | dwon: speed :) |
| 17:21.51 | pflanze | Meaning, the terminals already have to have the environment. |
| 17:22.27 | fluorine | if it ain't broken, don't fix it |
| 17:22.31 | dwon | beli: What's the trade-off? |
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| 17:23.24 | pflanze | In old times I would have my own x session script, but I'm tired figuring out again how to start a desktop through xsession when desktops change every couple years; I want to know how it's being done cleanly nowadays. |
| 17:23.44 | beli | pflanze: it does that automagically.... |
| 17:24.01 | pflanze | It doesn't, as it would otherwise have my settings. |
| 17:24.18 | dwon | I wonder how hard it would be to add better-than-DES support to Linux NFSv4. I have some crypto background. |
| 17:24.19 | beli | pflanze: logged out/logged in? |
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| 17:24.33 | linhis | cahoot:http://pastebin.com/d18f432f7 |
| 17:24.36 | beli | dwon: DES is really outdated...thats true |
| 17:24.44 | pflanze | beli: yes. I've got an ulimit statement in my .bash_profile for a year now, and it has never been active since. |
| 17:24.58 | beli | pflanze: maybe the line is wrong |
| 17:25.30 | beli | pflanze: try to source the bashprofile and see if there are errors |
| 17:25.39 | cahoot | linhis: seems you wifi is eth1 |
| 17:25.45 | pflanze | nope, "su - $user" makes it load. |
| 17:25.46 | cahoot | s/you/your |
| 17:26.12 | pflanze | beli: and source .bash_profile doesn't give an error and works |
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| 17:26.27 | cahoot | linhis: what happends if you try iwlist scan eth1 ? |
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| 17:27.02 | linhis | iwlist: unknown command `eth1' (check 'iwlist --help'). |
| 17:27.03 | beli | pflanze do sth. simpler to check if the profile is loaded...echo "foobar" |
| 17:27.07 | DEbiansqueeze | su |
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| 17:27.32 | cahoot | linhis: iwlist scan eth1 gave you that error? |
| 17:27.33 | pflanze | beli: why do you believe it is being loaded for you? |
| 17:27.46 | beli | pflanze: just make sure it is or is not..... |
| 17:27.59 | linhis | cahoot:ya |
| 17:28.07 | beli | pflanze: i am trying to track down where the problem is located, thats all |
| 17:28.13 | DEbiansqueeze | iwlist wont work unless su |
| 17:28.28 | cahoot | linhis: sorry change ther order of scan and eth1 |
| 17:28.40 | pflanze | beli: I put echo hello in there and I get hello when I load it. So.. (I'm also using bash for 11 years already) |
| 17:29.13 | beli | pflanze: i dont want to attack you, i just want to solve the problem, ok? ;) |
| 17:29.33 | pflanze | beli: and I'm checking with "ulimit -S -v" to see whether my "ulimit -S -v 1200000" statement from .bash_profile has any effect. |
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| 17:30.04 | linhis | cahoot:http://pastebin.com/d39b4e201 |
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| 17:30.19 | pflanze | beli: I'm not feeling attacked, just don't know how to make clearer that I've checked what you want me to check |
| 17:30.21 | beli | pflanze: gdm is not working as a login shell |
| 17:30.52 | beli | pflanze: put your ulimit line to ~/.bashrc |
| 17:30.53 | pflanze | yes that's what I guess; neither seems gnome/metacity. |
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| 17:31.02 | beli | startx is |
| 17:31.05 | pflanze | That's what I did for some time as a workaround, |
| 17:31.25 | pflanze | but it's a pain since if I do temporary changes in a shell then start a new shell the temporary changes are overwritten. |
| 17:32.20 | beli | hmm you could check for changes ;) |
| 17:32.21 | pflanze | And recently I didn't even remember the reason why I put the ulimit into .bashrc, moved it to .bash_profile, and voilà after a reboot I don't have the ulimit set anymore. |
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| 17:32.43 | pflanze | So before I'm going to move it back to .bashrc I want to know how to solve this. |
| 17:33.09 | linhis | cahoot:actually i have my wifi working on this kernel which i'm logged in currently |
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| 17:33.34 | beli | pflanze: you might consider using your .Xsession file |
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| 17:34.03 | beli | pflanze: or .xinitrc |
| 17:34.15 | pflanze | hehe, that's what I did back ~1998-2005 when using windowmaker and other window managers, but now how to start gnome this way? |
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| 17:34.52 | pflanze | And why go to these lengths when there *should* *definitely* be a way to set up per-user process environments even with desktops? |
| 17:35.04 | pflanze | Cleanly. Easily. |
| 17:35.18 | cahoot | linhis: ok so now you know what kernel module the working setup uses - if you boot the new kernel you get disconnected from irc I suppose? no other means fot net? |
| 17:35.21 | pflanze | k haven't tried .xinitrc, you think that'll be loaded? |
| 17:35.53 | pflanze | going to check in a qemu instance before restarting the main desktop |
| 17:36.21 | beli | pflanze: yes |
| 17:36.44 | linhis | cahoot: ya exactly. i have the sound working there and wifi working here. no means to net on that kernel. :( |
| 17:36.54 | cahoot | linhis: btw what version is the new kernel? 2.6.31? |
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| 17:37.14 | beli | pflanze: its grown...thats the problem....like with any grown system....i am a console guy often running into these problems too |
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| 17:38.06 | pflanze | sure, but a grownup has it's locations too; (still checking .xinitrc) |
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| 17:40.08 | pflanze | beli: with a .xinitrc containing "ulimit -S -v 300000" and a newline, after a relogin with gdm into gnome does *not* show the ulimit in urxvt terminals started from the gnome toolbar. |
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| 17:41.37 | beli | pflanze: *shrug* sorry, try asking on the gnome channel then...i am really no X geek |
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| 17:43.14 | linhis | cahoot: its2.6.26-2-686 |
| 17:43.24 | cahoot | and the new one? |
| 17:43.46 | linhis | nt sure |
| 17:43.58 | yareckon | hi guys, I have added the debian multimedia repo with a low package priority, however, apt-cache policy shows the Translation-en_US line from that repo as still at status 500 |
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| 17:44.11 | linhis | cahoot:must be the latest |
| 17:44.18 | linhis | since i did it yesterday |
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| 17:44.20 | evilgenius101 | Hello |
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| 17:44.24 | yareckon | I've got a line in /etc/apt/preferences targeting packages> * |
| 17:44.32 | yareckon | Packages: * |
| 17:44.44 | cahoot | linhis: aptitude search linux-image | grep ^i |
| 17:44.55 | yareckon | grrr.... Package: * |
| 17:45.18 | yareckon | but the Translation-en_US thing still seems to be at the same priority as debian unstable... is this a problem? |
| 17:45.28 | linhis | cahoot: i A linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 - Linux 2.6.30 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII |
| 17:45.38 | linhis | cahoot:thats the last line |
| 17:46.00 | yareckon | the packages repo itself seems nicely pinned back to 50 priority where I want it |
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| 17:47.39 | pflanze | beli: .profile works! Heh. Using bash stuff was too ingrained into my thinking... |
| 17:47.45 | cahoot | linhis: ok so the new one is 2.6.30 - boot into that kernel, run lspci -k to see what module it uses for wifi, look for complaints in dmesg when you first modprobe -r <that module> then modprobe <the module> |
| 17:47.50 | yareckon | don't even really know what that Translation-en_US line means, bottom line |
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| 17:48.11 | evilgenius101 | I need some help , trying to isntall a new kernel.. curently have 2.26.28.7 and unable to get headers for it... |
| 17:48.26 | evilgenius101 | what would be a suitable kernel to install over? |
| 17:48.28 | beli | pflanze: i am a zsh guy btw... ;) |
| 17:49.20 | linhis | cahoot: ok. actaully in that my friend had installed a driver for my wifi to work. the wifi wsnt working earlier in that initially after i installed. seems its the same prob here. |
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| 17:50.35 | cahoot | linhis: do I understand you correct if what you say is: someone installed an out-of-kernel-module for the working setup? |
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| 17:51.47 | DEbiansqueeze | how can i start pidgin -f by clicking an icon and not starting in terminal |
| 17:51.58 | pflanze | beli: /etc/gdm/Xsession is the script that loads it (and checks for a couple other non bash places too) |
| 17:52.24 | cahoot | linhis: if so that would explain why it works there and not in with the new kernel. As I understand it kernel-provided support for that device comes with kernel 2.6.32 |
| 17:53.43 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: edit the icon |
| 17:54.09 | DEbiansqueeze | ok |
| 17:54.17 | cahoot | linhis: seems to me you have to choose between living without sound for a while or getting help installing a working module for the wifi |
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| 17:55.55 | beli | pflanze: used debian all the 11 years? |
| 17:56.23 | pflanze | LinuxPPC 98-01, afterwards Debian. |
| 17:56.57 | beli | pflanze: i started 2 years before with slackware |
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| 18:00.01 | DEbiansqueeze | that worked thanks |
| 18:00.24 | pngwn | !tell Sigur -about away |
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| 18:00.41 | pflanze | beli: One should always carry around a flag with "my Linux age" when being in this channel :). Might be funny or interesting. |
| 18:00.48 | arm2 | hack tools exploits,vulnerabilities,videos,shellcode,ubuntu on www.team3d.3xforum |
| 18:01.01 | arm2 | hack tools exploits,vulnerabilities,videos,shellcode,ubuntu on www.team3d.3xforum |
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| 18:02.02 | AimHere | One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong |
| 18:02.12 | jelly-hme | how nice of them not to provide the correct url :-) |
| 18:02.19 | pflanze | beli: or "Linux beards"--if irc supported icons, one could use icons with different amounts of facial hair, too. |
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| 18:03.20 | Sigur|afk | pngwn: i beg you pardon.. i was just messing around with irssi aliases... did i violate a channel policy? |
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| 18:03.32 | pflanze | beli: but seriously I've been sitting behind Debian desktops for about 35'000 hours now. |
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| 18:03.53 | ivers | maybe you should have been doing something else |
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| 18:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | Experience implies knowledge, but that's not necessarily the case. |
| 18:04.50 | beli | pflanze: i never did such a calculation :) |
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| 18:05.19 | Sia-- | hi |
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| 18:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | There is much debate about this in the Aviation community. Probably a discussion more appropriate to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:05.33 | pflanze | Yeah, peg me all :) |
| 18:05.40 | Sia-- | i want to know why this package LXDE is broken http://paste.debian.net/58928/ |
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| 18:06.46 | jhutchins_lt | Sia--: Incomplete backport. |
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| 18:07.17 | jelly-hme | Sia--: there's an explanation the output: The following packages have unmet dependencies: lxde: Depends: lxmusic which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: |
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| 18:07.37 | Sia-- | jhutchins, i 've another package downloaded without any problem like pidgin and iceweasel ..etc |
| 18:08.13 | jelly-hme | Sia--: absence of "followingo actions" means there's no package available to satisfy the dependency (ie. provide "lxmusic") |
| 18:08.42 | Sia-- | jelly-hme, you mean with lxmusic can fix this problem? |
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| 18:09.12 | jelly-hme | Sia--: I mean there is no "lxmusic" available |
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| 18:09.31 | jelly-hme | Sia--: that's what makes "lxde" uninstallable |
| 18:09.37 | jhutchins_lt | Sia--: There's nothing wrong with the package system, your problem is with trying to use backports that aren't complete. That's a known potential with backports. |
| 18:10.13 | jelly-hme | backports.org repo isn't official and may occasionally have broken packages |
| 18:10.19 | Sia-- | jhutchins, and i'm in wrong channel to report problem about backports? |
| 18:10.32 | Sia-- | jelly-hme, ok thnx |
| 18:10.41 | Sia-- | jhutchins, you too |
| 18:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | Sia--: IRC is not a reporting mechanism, it's group discussion and help from fellow users. |
| 18:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tekk Sia-- about bts |
| 18:11.03 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:11.08 | jhutchins_lt | Bah. |
| 18:11.24 | Sia-- | jhutchins, pleas stop you spam dkpg message |
| 18:11.31 | Sia-- | i'm her since 4 years |
| 18:11.40 | jelly-hme | Sia--: I guess you can use the Feedback link on http://backports.org/ |
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| 18:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | Sia--: You've been here four years and you think it's a place to report package problems on backports. |
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| 18:14.10 | Sia-- | jhutchins, just stop your flaming, i told you thnx DONE! |
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| 18:16.14 | SnakDoc | can anyone tell me of a app that can let me monitor bandwidth on a certian interface. Would also like it to save info so if device is disconnected and/or machince is cut off/rebooted any ideas |
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| 18:19.22 | AimHere | SnakDoc, I'm not sure about logging/saving when disconnected, but it sounds a bit like nettop or derivatives |
| 18:19.33 | abrotman | SnakDoc: bandwidthd perhaps? |
| 18:19.51 | abrotman | jnettop, iftop, nettop |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | erm .. not nettop .. ntop |
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| 18:20.22 | SnakDoc | thanks i had tried to use bmon but wouldn't save info i have a limit on how much can use so was wanting to keep tabs |
| 18:21.05 | SnakDoc | abrotman: any of those you think is best ?? |
| 18:21.43 | abrotman | it ultimjatley depends on what you want .. they all have nice webpages |
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| 18:22.11 | SnakDoc | ok i will look thanks |
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| 18:23.07 | jgoppert | Is there any ppa for debian? |
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| 18:25.30 | jelly-hme | jgoppert: no, but are you interested as a packager or as a user? |
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| 18:26.22 | eyzn | hey there, i have a problem with installing ocaml on debian lenny -- aptitude asks me to remove some packages (php-pear, ..) and downgrade some others (bash, libncurses2, ..) to oldstable -- my questions is, may i risk an installation without messing up my system? |
| 18:26.46 | jelly-hme | eyzn: why do you have oldstable repos enabled at all? |
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| 18:28.12 | linhis | cahoot |
| 18:28.17 | linhis | cahoot:hmmmmmmm |
| 18:28.46 | eyzn | jelly-hme: ty for the hin :) |
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| 18:28.59 | cahoot | ? |
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| 18:29.07 | jgoppert | jelly-hyme: I've got some custom lenny packages i've built, want to create a repo. |
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| 18:31.21 | linhis | cahoot: if kernel-provided support for that device comes with kernel 2.6.32, then why is it not working ?? |
| 18:31.49 | cahoot | because you have an older kernel |
| 18:32.44 | jelly-hme | jgoppert: well, you can do it manually-ish. /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 18:33.37 | SnakDoc | thanks abrotman |
| 18:34.02 | linhis | linhis: but i just installed it yesterday, why did'nt i get 2.6.32 ?? |
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| 18:34.55 | cahoot | linhis: because debians latest != kernel.org's latest |
| 18:35.01 | jhutchins | linhis: Current stable kernel is 2.6.26-2 |
| 18:35.24 | ivers | Translated: Current patched-to-death kernel is 2.6.26-2 |
| 18:35.25 | linhis | cahoot: i did it from backports.org |
| 18:35.35 | jhutchins | judd: versions linux-image |
| 18:35.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
| 18:35.44 | jhutchins | judd: versions linux* |
| 18:35.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux*' was found. |
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| 18:36.09 | LuciusMare | why there is no lame in repos? |
| 18:36.18 | cahoot | linhis: it's a fact of life - a distors latest stable kernel isn't as new as the latest from kernel.org |
| 18:36.29 | abrotman | !tell LuciusMare about lame |
| 18:36.31 | abrotman | !tell LuciusMare about dmm |
| 18:36.32 | jgoppert | jelly-hme: thanks for the help |
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| 18:37.33 | linhis | cahoot: will it be fine if i install one from kernel.org ?? |
| 18:37.44 | jhutchins | linhis: I think 32 might be available from backports, but you can also build your own modules. |
| 18:37.54 | jelly-hme | judd: kernels |
| 18:37.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
| 18:39.01 | jhutchins | So not backports. |
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| 18:41.05 | linhis | ya i did a backport yesterday and got 30 |
| 18:41.57 | linhis | any idea when 32 will be available at backports?? |
| 18:42.05 | abrotman | WIR |
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| 18:45.05 | jelly-hme | linhis: you may use a selfbuild kernel from kernel.org, yes |
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| 18:45.51 | Gratz474 | i did an apt-get remove exim4 why is it still there ? |
| 18:45.52 | niklaswe | hmm I have som problem with my sshd. i got connection reset by peer |
| 18:46.01 | niklaswe | any ide about that? |
| 18:46.11 | linhis | jelly-hme: that wont effect my existing kernel's, right?? it will be intact i guess. |
| 18:46.23 | niklaswe | im connected about ~10 after that i got disceonnected |
| 18:46.25 | jelly-hme | linhis: right |
| 18:46.33 | Gratz474 | this is annoying me for sure |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | niklaswe: usually a network issue, like your router |
| 18:46.57 | niklaswe | abrotman: i have my linux-server as router |
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| 18:47.26 | jelly-hme | Gratz474: do you want to use another MTA instead, or just want to get rid of any MTA? |
| 18:47.33 | niklaswe | itÅ the first tim i get this problem.. with my fw.. |
| 18:47.52 | SnakDoc | niklaswe: what you trying to do have my server as router also what you trying to do |
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| 18:48.46 | Gratz474 | jelly-hme: i want to use good old postfix |
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| 18:49.04 | jelly-hme | Gratz474: just install it, then |
| 18:49.14 | Gratz474 | but the command exim4 is still ther |
| 18:49.17 | timeoh | check connection with wireshark or tcpdump |
| 18:49.26 | jelly-hme | Gratz474: after it's installed, purge any packages beginning with exim |
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| 18:49.43 | timeoh | do you get an FIN packet? |
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| 18:49.55 | timeoh | Does the SSL handshake work correctly? |
| 18:49.58 | jelly-hme | Gratz474: list them using something like dpkg -l exim\* | grep ^.i |
| 18:50.00 | Gratz474 | jelly-hme: why did apt-get remove exim4 not get rid of it ? |
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| 18:50.31 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:50.36 | jelly-hme | Gratz474: either you didn't remove all of its packages, or there was an error |
| 18:50.41 | lenswipe | the sftp client in GNOME has stopped working |
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| 18:50.44 | lenswipe | anyone got any pointers? |
| 18:51.06 | lenswipe | it just says "Opening sftp://domain.com - You can stop this operation by clicking cancel" |
| 18:51.09 | lenswipe | and then does nothing |
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| 18:51.31 | lenswipe | ssh works perefectly on the same port but SFTP randomly stops working |
| 18:51.38 | lenswipe | is anyone able to help me debug the issue? |
| 18:51.54 | timeoh | ive no idea |
| 18:52.00 | Gratz474 | jelly-hme: yea i mean i removed the rest manually but weird first time that ever has happened |
| 18:52.03 | lenswipe | timburke, awesome |
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| 18:52.57 | jelly-hme | Gratz474: there are many applications spreading their contents over more than one package, eg. apache |
| 18:53.14 | jelly-hme | sendmail too |
| 18:53.51 | Gratz474 | yea well got postfix installed now |
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| 18:53.56 | Gratz474 | for some reason i like postfix better heh |
| 18:54.50 | jelly-hme | those were just examples of multipackage software like exim, not suggestions on what to use |
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| 19:21.32 | strk | !dpkg xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:21.59 | strk | ^^^^ that's my last package in the 'etch' series (moving to lenny) -- should I keep ? |
| 19:22.00 | ravenbird | strk: are you using Windows? |
| 19:22.12 | strk | ravenbird: nope |
| 19:22.14 | ravenbird | yes |
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| 19:23.43 | strk | why ? :) |
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| 19:26.38 | abrotman | strk: what? |
| 19:26.46 | abrotman | strk: if you remove the packag e.. what happens ? |
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| 19:27.00 | strk | prompts me to drop the whole lot of things :) |
| 19:27.04 | jelly-hme | dpkg: package e not installed. |
| 19:27.04 | dpkg | jelly-hme: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 19:28.51 | abrotman | strk: aptitude install xorg |
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| 19:33.39 | dbbolton | where are the messages show during boot saved, such as those from init scripts |
| 19:33.45 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 19:33.45 | dpkg | somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 19:34.26 | badzo | hello |
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| 19:35.02 | badzo | does anybody know if truecrypt boot loader is able to boot os installed on extendex partition? |
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| 19:39.18 | digitalice | hi |
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| 19:39.25 | variable | anyone know where I can browse the debain source code online? google failed me |
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| 19:40.19 | abrotman | variable: get the source package and read it |
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| 19:40.29 | jelly-hme | variable: there is no single code repository. Which software (which packages) are you interested in? |
| 19:40.47 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:41.01 | variable | jelly-hme: that would explain why I couldn't find it ;) I'm looking for "watch" |
| 19:41.05 | digitalice | got a prob over here, i just made a sh script wich uses eSpeak to say something, when i add it to init.d and update-rc.d to add it everything goes ok, but the script just does not work :( |
| 19:41.12 | digitalice | runlevel 5 |
| 19:41.16 | digitalice | and 4 |
| 19:41.21 | digitalice | but it does not work :( |
| 19:41.29 | variable | abrotman - I don't want to download all of debian's source code |
| 19:41.38 | abrotman | variable: that's not what i said |
| 19:41.57 | jelly-hme | variable: /usr/bin/watch binary is part of procps, so get the source for that |
| 19:41.58 | variable | abrotman - then I misunderstood - sorry |
| 19:41.59 | abrotman | variable: do you have the debian packaging tools available to you ? |
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| 19:42.15 | variable | abrotman no I'm not on debian |
| 19:42.25 | abrotman | variable: that might have been something to note :) |
| 19:42.26 | jelly-hme | variable: procps.sf.net |
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| 19:42.30 | variable | jelly-hme http://procps.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 19:42.55 | variable | abrotman - that is why I was asking for the online viewer - that usually doesn't depend on OS |
| 19:43.04 | variable | jelly - how is the source code mananged then? |
| 19:43.11 | variable | (if there isn't one central repo) |
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| 19:43.42 | abrotman | variable: why are you looking for the source code from debian instead of upstream ? |
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| 19:44.29 | variable | abrotman: I forgot that linux distros source code isn't maintained by themselves |
| 19:44.31 | jelly-hme | variable: it's downloaded from upstream, patched and distributed in deb-src repositories |
| 19:44.48 | abrotman | variable: there is, but debian also patches code |
| 19:44.49 | variable | jelly-hme ok |
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| 19:45.12 | variable | kk |
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| 19:45.22 | m4t | are security updates being release for squeeze yet? |
| 19:45.35 | jelly-hme | variable: is there a reason you're looking for Debian's watch in particular? |
| 19:45.41 | jelly-hme | m4t: no |
| 19:46.05 | variable | jelly-hme: no I just forgot that Linux distros don't write their own software |
| 19:46.16 | variable | (I'm used to the BSD model of code) |
| 19:46.22 | jelly-hme | that's why they're called distros |
| 19:46.25 | variable | I was looking for any version of watch |
| 19:46.36 | mike-burns | variable: BSD doesn't write much of the software, either. |
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| 19:48.25 | abrotman | wonders how the *bsd model differs ... |
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| 19:48.52 | jelly-hme | wonders how this is related to Debian support |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | he said it not me! |
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| 19:54.30 | qwd | Why are some files green in midnight commander? It seems the green files have the same permissions and so on as the white ones |
| 19:55.25 | cahoot | ecologically correct? |
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| 19:56.34 | jelly-hme | dpkg: green files |
| 19:56.34 | dpkg | jelly-hme: I give up, what is it? |
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| 19:56.37 | jelly-hme | dpkg: green |
| 19:56.38 | dpkg | green is probably a colour.... one mostly unliked by stylish people. mostly liked my neards and geeks |
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| 19:56.51 | jelly-hme | dpkg: mc |
| 19:56.51 | dpkg | [mc] Midnight Commander is a cross-platform orthodox file manager, a clone of Norton Commander. It is a text mode application, with the main interface consisting of two panels which display the file system. FAQ: http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/mc/mc/FAQ?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain . http://www.midnight-commander.org/ |
| 19:57.15 | iceroot | qwd: maybe symlinks? |
| 19:57.22 | abrotman | qwd: ls -l .. show us both files |
| 19:57.35 | jelly-hme | one green and one white one! |
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| 19:58.45 | qwd | Will do as soon as it's done moving files :) |
| 19:58.57 | abrotman | you don't have another terminal? |
| 19:59.37 | jelly-hme | terminals are expensive these days |
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| 20:02.51 | qwd | Oh now I see the pattern! .iso and .srt are white and .mkv are green. Doh |
| 20:04.06 | qwd | Wonder if it's something new since I switched to unstable, hadn't noticed that before. |
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| 20:06.58 | loXx | qwd: green files are executable ;-) |
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| 20:08.22 | qwd | loXx: yeah that was the thing when I asked about it here some month ago but this time none of the files were executable. and .AVI was white but .avi was green. |
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| 20:14.12 | bocaneri | Does mc follow dircolours? |
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| 20:19.13 | strk | abrotman: (apt-get install xorg) : that one doesn't prompt me to drop or upgrade any of the xserver-xxyy |
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| 20:19.24 | strk | abrotman: you mean let it drop all first, then re-install ? |
| 20:19.25 | abrotman | strk: aptitude install xorg .. |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | didn't say apt-get |
| 20:19.37 | strk | I don't have aptitude |
| 20:19.42 | abrotman | strk: then install that first |
| 20:19.52 | strk | scaries me (learning yet another thing :) |
| 20:20.10 | strk | E: Broken packages <--- for example :) |
| 20:20.14 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.16 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:21.18 | abrotman | strk: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 20:23.11 | strk | abrotman: http://codepad.org/9UGRVmaB |
| 20:23.43 | abrotman | strk: apt-get update && apt-get install dpkg aptitude |
| 20:24.03 | strk | same error |
| 20:24.17 | strk | it's possible my caches are outdated and not completely re-constructed with 'update' |
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| 20:24.37 | strk | I've some Hit and some Ign lines on 'update' |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | strk: apt-cache policy aptitude |
| 20:24.52 | strk | lots of lines, btw |
| 20:25.05 | strk | Candidate: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 |
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| 20:25.13 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.38 | abrotman | judd: versions libept0 |
| 20:25.38 | judd | libept0 -- lenny: 0.5.22; sid: 0.5.30; squeeze: 0.5.30 |
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| 20:25.52 | abrotman | strk: apt-get install libept0 .. what does it say ? |
| 20:26.14 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.25 | strk | (unmet dependencies) |
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| 20:27.06 | abrotman | strk: which versino of apt is installed ? |
| 20:27.43 | strk | apt 0.7.23.1 for i386 compiled on Aug 28 2009 22:34:54 |
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| 20:33.00 | strk | apt is already the newest version. |
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| 20:37.32 | abrotman | judd: versions apt |
| 20:37.33 | judd | apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.7.25; sid: 0.7.25.3 |
| 20:37.44 | abrotman | strk: you did something bad ... |
| 20:37.55 | m4t | can anyone give me a tip on loading firmware during a netboot via a usb drive? i've tried ext2, msdos, and now vfat |
| 20:37.57 | Amarande | grumbles |
| 20:37.59 | strk | I know I did :) |
| 20:38.06 | m4t | i've got the .bin's in / and in /lib/firmware on the drive |
| 20:38.08 | strk | possibly I've had some 'testing' for too long in there |
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| 20:38.19 | abrotman | strk: that's it .. is this a server or workstatoin ? |
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| 20:38.24 | strk | IIRC last time (on another machine) I had to manually drop the caches |
| 20:38.25 | Amarande | one of the major reasons I installed Debian was because of its excellent support for TeX |
| 20:38.26 | strk | it's a laptop |
| 20:38.33 | abrotman | strk: time to go to 'squeeze' |
| 20:38.37 | Amarande | one of the major reasons I'm irritated at freenode right now is because of its horrible support for TeX |
| 20:38.39 | strk | what's that ? |
| 20:38.39 | paradoxmonkey | Any one with some QoS experience with tc? |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | strk: the current version of testing |
| 20:39.03 | strk | abrotman: I'm just trying to get something stable and not too old (hoping to do things like DVB-T and alike) |
| 20:39.16 | strk | abrotman: but first maybe I should continue the cleanup |
| 20:39.24 | abrotman | strk: you'd have to force downgrade apt |
| 20:39.31 | strk | or I'll end up with a mix of woody/etch/lenny/+sqeeze ? :) |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | strk: dpkg -l libc6 .. which version is it ? |
| 20:39.48 | strk | 2.7-18lenny2 |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | at least yoi have that going for you |
| 20:40.13 | strk | I've variou lenny# in there |
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| 20:40.43 | strk | from lenny1 to lenny6 |
| 20:41.04 | strk | oh, a lenny7 too |
| 20:41.15 | Amarande | cool, there's a LaTeX support channel on quakenet. yay, this is probably why I can't connect to quakenet. |
| 20:41.32 | Amarande | LaTeX probably phoned ahead and told them "Don't let Ama get any help with it." |
| 20:42.07 | strk | abrotman: downgrade 'apt' you said ? The apt package itself ? |
| 20:42.21 | strk | it's 0.7.23.1 |
| 20:42.24 | strk | with utils |
| 20:43.07 | m4t | Feb 6 20:39:34 main-menu[809]: (process:4438): /bin/check-missing-firmware: |
| 20:43.07 | m4t | Feb 6 20:39:34 main-menu[809]: (process:4438): line 133: |
| 20:43.08 | m4t | Feb 6 20:39:34 main-menu[809]: (process:4438): mountmedia: not found |
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| 20:43.15 | abrotman | strk: or upgrade to squeeze |
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| 20:43.31 | strk | mm |
| 20:43.46 | strk | I've been all day on this, better postpone for a month or so :) |
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| 20:43.58 | strk | beside, I haven't run 'apt-get upgrade' yet |
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| 20:44.17 | strk | I keep doing and not confirming while trying to do it in steps |
| 20:44.28 | strk | maybe it'll solve something on itself |
| 20:44.33 | strk | (possible?) |
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| 20:48.11 | m4t | sparc netboot installer is broken.. |
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| 20:50.44 | abrotman | strk: why not just go to squeeze ? |
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| 20:52.34 | snarkster | hi can i get alittle help help in here? |
| 20:52.53 | abrotman | snarkster: with what ? |
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| 20:54.01 | snarkster | ah hi, I have just installed 5.04 and im trying to get Atheros Communications AR242x wifi PCI express device up.. |
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| 20:54.30 | abrotman | snarkster: it's probably the ath5k driver |
| 20:54.42 | snarkster | but the doc on the website show 10.0 as the lowest number mine is 9:0.0 |
| 20:54.57 | abrotman | snarkster: does your wired connection work ? |
| 20:55.02 | snarkster | yes Im on it now |
| 20:55.06 | snarkster | this is a laptop |
| 20:55.11 | strk | abrotman: would you help me with doing that ? |
| 20:55.19 | abrotman | strk: with what? |
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| 20:55.35 | strk | with the procedure of upgrading |
| 20:55.45 | strk | setting source.list and running :) |
| 20:55.50 | abrotman | snarkster: what's your current kernel (uname -r) |
| 20:56.01 | abrotman | strk: in your sources.list .. s/lenny/squeeze/ |
| 20:56.21 | strk | included squeeze-proposed-updates ? |
| 20:56.27 | babilen | strk: no |
| 20:56.38 | snarkster | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:56.39 | abrotman | strk: then .. `apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude dpkg && aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' |
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| 20:56.50 | babilen | !tell strk -about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:56.59 | bocaneri | If you just change repos like that, and do a massive update/upgrade from lenny to squeeze, what's the probability something will get confused/ |
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| 20:57.07 | abrotman | snarkster: /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructdions there, then `aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686' |
| 20:57.17 | strk | bocaneri: eh |
| 20:57.21 | snarkster | thanx |
| 20:57.21 | abrotman | bocaneri: that's one of the strengths of debian |
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| 20:57.36 | abrotman | strk: what is your current kernel (uname -r) |
| 20:57.54 | strk | bocaneri: also note, in my case it's not 'lenny to squeeze' but some 'moster' to squeeze |
| 20:58.01 | strk | 2.6.26-2-686 (just upgraded) |
| 20:58.02 | abrotman | bocaneri: i have machines that have through four or five versions of debian |
| 20:58.10 | abrotman | strk: just make sure your linux-image-686 is installed |
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| 20:58.14 | Amarande | strk, are you trying to dist-upgrade ubuntu to debian? |
| 20:58.47 | strk | abrotman: nope, this one is always been debian, from the start (woody) |
| 20:58.47 | Amarande | (which I suspect *should* work *in theory anyway* ... but I wouldn't wanna try it) |
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| 20:58.55 | abrotman | Amarande: it does not work |
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| 20:59.12 | strk | linux-image-2.6-686 is installed |
| 20:59.20 | bocaneri | I could be convinced to try that on some lazy Saturday afternoon... in a vm. |
| 20:59.29 | strk | no generc linux-image-686, if that was the question |
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| 21:00.22 | strk | started the squeeze update |
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| 21:00.59 | peterrooney | bocaneri: I could be convinced to try that only with a promise of firewater and floozies. |
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| 21:03.56 | strk | what does aptitude add to apt? |
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| 21:04.29 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 21:04.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 21:05.50 | m4t | i grabbed /bin/mountmedia from mountmedia_nn.deb, executed shell first thing in the install, copied and chmod +x the file |
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| 21:05.55 | m4t | and now the firmware detect works fine |
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| 21:07.20 | bio-tty | i have a hard time finding out in what package i get the x264enc for gstreamer |
| 21:07.57 | wooby | hello, my lenny graphical installer is hung on 'configure the package manager' after i selected a mirror, networking seems alright, anyone know how i might get it to continue? |
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| 21:08.59 | abrotman | bio-tty: apt-cache search 264 gstreamer ? |
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| 21:13.10 | wooby | nevermind, it is working, it's just very slow :) |
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| 21:13.40 | bio-tty | abrotman: that one gives nothing, but i tried similar stuff and installed lots of crap. wasnt in any. |
| 21:13.46 | bio-tty | so what plugin contains it and what debian package contains that plugin |
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| 21:13.50 | bio-tty | or .. how can i query the package system and try find it |
| 21:13.57 | abrotman | bio-tty: i get transmageddon |
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| 21:14.19 | bio-tty | abrotman: oh. on this computer i have ubuntu 8 - / forgot |
| 21:14.44 | abrotman | bio-tty: then ask #ubuntu .. you're in the wrong channel |
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| 21:17.26 | craigevil | gstreamer0.10-x264 is in dmm |
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| 21:18.51 | abrotman | craigevil: he's not using Debian |
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| 21:19.57 | craigevil | eeeewwww well then goes back to lurking :) |
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| 21:23.31 | deever | hi |
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| 21:28.03 | Python1320 | Anyone good with one-to-one natting? I am trying to1:1 nat an ip in a bridge to eth1 while natting all other through eth2. (eth1 and eth2 both have a dhcp assigned ip from the ISP) |
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| 21:31.06 | strk | abrotman: on aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 21:31.07 | strk | The resolver timed out after producing a solution; some possible upgrades might not be performed.The following packages have unmet dependencies: cups-ppdc: Conflicts: cupsddk (< 1.4.0) but 1.2.3-5 is installed and it is kept back. |
| 21:31.11 | strk | r |
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| 21:31.29 | abrotman | strk: where did i say 'safe-upgrade'? |
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| 21:32.42 | strk | dpkg did, not you :) |
| 21:32.42 | dpkg | strk: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:33.07 | froosch | hey people, where is my mencoder?? |
| 21:33.40 | hayleyw | !tell froosch about dmm |
| 21:34.01 | froosch | hayleyw: oh yeah, tx |
| 21:35.34 | bio-tty | how do i find out what package contains a file that i have installed? |
| 21:35.36 | bio-tty | i know a file i need, and i wonder what package that did install it. |
| 21:35.46 | hayleyw | apt-file search foo |
| 21:35.49 | strk | he's negating the evidence now.. but he whispered that command to me :) |
| 21:35.54 | bio-tty | hayleyw: thanks ; - ) |
| 21:35.58 | strk | abrotman: I tought 'safe' was a good suggestion |
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| 21:36.22 | abrotman | bio-tty: go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:45.44 | strk | abrotman: so? what do you suggest ? go unsafe ? why should that help ? |
| 21:46.00 | triple_xxx | Is there a package manager that keeps track of packages system wide for updates??? and what is used on that system??? |
| 21:46.22 | abrotman | strk: go back and re-read what i said |
| 21:47.05 | strk | 21:42 < abrotman> strk: then .. `apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude dpkg && aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 21:47.05 | triple_xxx | keeps a running history of all packages across the network? |
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| 21:47.32 | abrotman | strk: and what happens when it says that ? |
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| 21:47.51 | wols | triple_xxx: yes dpkg keeps track of installed packages |
| 21:47.56 | strk | it ? |
| 21:48.09 | strk | I've gone as far as aptitude update |
| 21:48.20 | abrotman | strk: so what was the next step i gave you ? |
| 21:48.21 | strk | then did safe-upgrade instead of your full-upgrade |
| 21:48.34 | triple_xxx | wols: but, on networked computers system wide... not just at a local computer?? |
| 21:49.13 | wols | triple_xxx: your ? is broken. you press it once but it's prelling |
| 21:49.15 | strk | alright alright, I'll go full-upgrade |
| 21:49.21 | strk | pray for me |
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| 21:50.16 | strk | ok, it asks me what to do with first conflict (that x-server thing, btw) |
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| 21:50.49 | strk | suggests a solution and asks me if I accept it or not |
| 21:50.57 | strk | score is 703 (out of how much ?) |
| 21:51.36 | strk | and, can I see other solutions ? |
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| 21:51.40 | triple_xxx | wols your assuming every computer on the network has internet access how would you deploy a package if the server was the only source that had internet access??? |
| 21:51.41 | l_r | hello |
| 21:51.43 | l_r | is there anything ready-to-use implementing a web-server for clients to third-party web servers , with an interface like this one https://www.xbypass.info/ basically, with https and simple interface for clients |
| 21:51.50 | abrotman | strk: you can say 'n' and see others |
| 21:52.27 | strk | interesting |
| 21:52.36 | strk | default-jre [1.6-34 (testing)] <--- is 'testing' the same as 'squeeze' ? |
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| 21:53.21 | wols | triple_xxx: apt-proxy, apt-zip, etc. there are about half a dozen solutions for this scenario |
| 21:53.29 | sepult | why is my noatun doin better than debians ? |
| 21:53.30 | wols | strk: currently, yes |
| 21:53.44 | sepult | almost |
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| 21:53.58 | triple_xxx | wols: tx that is what I was looking for thank you |
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| 21:54.59 | strk | alright, next problem: I don't have enough disk space for an all-at-once upgrade |
| 21:55.08 | strk | so I *need* to do this in steps |
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| 21:55.47 | Amarande | I think you need a bigger boat. :) Er, HD. :) |
| 21:56.21 | strk | stupid thing I did with the squeeze move... now can't even get back for 'dpkg' upgrade :/ |
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| 21:56.57 | strk | plan 2 : I'll remove the whole desktop environment and all X-clients |
| 21:57.00 | triple_xxx | wols: looking to see if the same rules apply in any server to host network. If you would end up with the same bottle necks of limited bandwith do to traffic on network... was hoping to see something along the idea of what git does for developers :) |
| 21:57.05 | strk | upgrade, and get back later |
| 21:57.22 | strk | should give some space :) |
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| 22:00.30 | web1109 | how does os-prober search for other OSes? (I'm trying to trick the option "install grub to disk" to actually ask me where, instead of assuming (hd0)) |
| 22:00.37 | triple_xxx | see we are back to the same solution of people writing tickets a database to keep track of the ticket status and when completed... was hoping there might have been a software solution :) |
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| 22:01.01 | wols | web1109: grub-install accepts parameters you know |
| 22:01.14 | web1109 | i'm in an cd based installer invironment |
| 22:01.23 | wols | and? |
| 22:01.45 | web1109 | I have choies like: finish installation, install grub, set clock to utc, and so on |
| 22:02.03 | wols | so? who said you have to install grub there? |
| 22:02.14 | bluesfreak72 | Hi there! I'm a first-timer in this room. I'm having an issue with my laptop, which I just upgraded a new install from Lenny to Squeeze. It installed the 2.6.32-trunk kernel. When I booted with it, I got a blank login screen. My 2.6.26-2-686 kernel boots and works fine. I installed 2.6.30-2-686 and that one gets a totally blank screen. Here's a pastebin: http://pastebin.org/87212. The xorg.conf is named xorg.conf.o |
| 22:02.14 | bluesfreak72 | rig, but it doesn't work with it or without it. Any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 22:02.58 | web1109 | well the install went fine, except it didn't ask me where to put grub, even though I used "manual partitioning", at the end of install I chose not to reboot but go back to the menu |
| 22:03.37 | web1109 | now at the menu I have "install grub to disk" but it searches for other OSes and proceeds to install to (hd0), but I want it to ask me where |
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| 22:04.30 | peterrooney | bio-tty: apt-file search is your friend. |
| 22:04.34 | web1109 | so is there documentations on how os-prober searches for other osess? |
| 22:05.02 | timeoh | bluesfreak72: save your important files and reinstall ;) |
| 22:05.33 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: where is the videocard??? |
| 22:05.42 | deever | in mdadm/dmraid, how can i stop syncing? |
| 22:05.48 | deever | just after a test i simply want to readd a disk without having it resynced |
| 22:06.29 | bluesfreak72 | triple_xxx: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 22:07.00 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: did not see one video device in the xorg.conf file??? |
| 22:07.20 | bluesfreak72 | I'll have to take a look at that again. |
| 22:07.25 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: nvidia , ati, rage or intel??? |
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| 22:08.24 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: your dmsg gave that there was no video attached and ran across all possible resolutions... |
| 22:08.42 | bluesfreak72 | It's intel - I believe i810. |
| 22:08.55 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: lspci | more |
| 22:10.29 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
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| 22:10.49 | triple_xxx | abrotman: yes better idea :) |
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| 22:11.50 | bluesfreak72 | triple_xxx: Here's the entire lspci: http://pastebin.org/87217 |
| 22:11.57 | triple_xxx | lspci | grep vga -i -m 20 |
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| 22:14.03 | bluesfreak72 | http://pastebin.org/87219 |
| 22:14.23 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82830 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 04) |
| 22:14.27 | cybastl | hi |
| 22:14.50 | bluesfreak72 | abrotman: That would be the one. |
| 22:15.29 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: need to find a compatible driver for video card and update xorg.conf file.. |
| 22:16.30 | wols | he already has the only one available in debian |
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| 22:16.51 | bluesfreak72 | triple_xxx: I have already installed xserver-xorg-video-intel, which is the compatible driver. I haven't messed with xorg.conf in a long time. How do I build a video driver section? |
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| 22:22.25 | triple_xxx | bluesfreak72: Dont use a intel chipset I have a nvidia gpu that runs nvidia-xconfig to update xorg.conf file...didnt see nothing on updating your xorg.conf file with video card |
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| 22:23.11 | Hodapp | Does anyone know how I can get xsane to run as a non-root user? |
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| 22:24.21 | bluesfreak72 | triple_xxx: I have used the intel chipset on Lenny and every other distro I've ever had on here. Why not in this case??? |
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| 22:26.16 | simonrvn | Hodapp: start by adding yourself to scanner group |
| 22:26.31 | leejongwook | i just fixed up the unicode font problem, to see the characters property i needed to install every ttf-* fonts |
| 22:27.16 | mike-burns | bluesfreak72: `sudo Xorg -configure', without X running, will generate an xorg.conf.new that you can use as a template. I didn't read enouh of the backlog to know why your card isn't detected, but my Intel card worked using that. |
| 22:27.25 | Hodapp | simonrvn: That did not help anything. |
| 22:27.27 | leejongwook | took a little bit, but fixed, now i can see japanese and chinese with iceweasel without having no problem |
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| 22:28.26 | simonrvn | no, because you have to log out completely, or use newgrp (applies for only that shell, fyi). and make sure the device is 660 root:scanner. |
| 22:28.30 | bluesfreak72 | mike-burns: I'll give that a shot. Thanks! I forgot about that. |
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| 22:28.37 | Hodapp | simonrvn: What device? |
| 22:28.40 | triple_xxx | mike-burns: what about checking dmsg for error report??? |
| 22:28.44 | bluesfreak72 | bbiaf... |
| 22:28.59 | simonrvn | !tell triple_xxx -about ep |
| 22:29.06 | deever | in mdadm/dmraid, how can i stop syncing? |
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| 22:29.12 | mike-burns | triple_xxx: Like I said, I didn't read enough of the backlog to be able to help more than what I said. |
| 22:29.13 | deever | just after a test i simply want to readd an already synced disk without having it resynced |
| 22:29.34 | simonrvn | Hodapp: your scanner's device file in /dev |
| 22:30.00 | sier | Hi, I have an Intel Q6600 (quad core), and I want to install Debian. I'm just confused if I should install i386, or x86_64... |
| 22:30.02 | sylar | when is the next release? |
| 22:30.05 | triple_xxx | mike-burns: seen no error report just no monitor support... |
| 22:30.22 | shoppe | hi. is there a way to specify library paths at runtime for any given app?? |
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| 22:30.35 | shoppe | i mean to set it as an environmental variable or something |
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| 22:30.39 | shoppe | i think |
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| 22:33.20 | triple_xxx | !ep |
| 22:33.20 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
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| 22:34.08 | kevin01123 | I'm getting errors when typing "startx" at the command line on my squeeze system. It complains about the fbcon module missing. Using modprobe fbcon results in the module not being found. Any suggestions on how to fix this? |
| 22:34.48 | triple_xxx | simonrvn: that is what you cry over is ep... wow |
| 22:35.06 | web1109 | wait let me back up here, when I choose the option "install grub to disk" from the bootable cd installer, it searches for other OSes, and then proceeds to install to (hd0) without asking me, why it not asked me? |
| 22:35.26 | web1109 | i want to specify (hd0,3) |
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| 22:36.43 | adb | web1109, (hd0) is MBR |
| 22:36.55 | simonrvn | triple_xxx: i've seen worse, much worse. i just wanted you to not fall for the trap of using 20 of them. |
| 22:37.04 | simonrvn | blah |
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| 22:37.25 | web1109 | adb: I'm aware of that |
| 22:37.49 | web1109 | adb: I wonder why the option "install grub to disk" does not ask me for location |
| 22:37.56 | adb | and from there boot go to /dev/sda4 |
| 22:38.01 | web1109 | i does on another (similar) machine |
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| 22:38.32 | web1109 | *it |
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| 22:38.51 | ronnn | hi |
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| 22:38.56 | kevin01123 | Does anyone have fbcon working? |
| 22:39.05 | ronnn | (5:38:53 pm) :) hi everyone, when you have time go to heaventruth.org :) |
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| 22:40.08 | Da_Wrecka | "heaventruth" huh? I'm imagining creationist bullshit already, why would I want to touch it with a fifty foot pole? |
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| 22:40.26 | kevin01123 | Da_Wrecka: He's gone. It was a spam and run. |
| 22:40.49 | Amarande | Da_Wrecka: And on the eighth day, God created Debian. :) |
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| 22:41.34 | therealgalen | will the "kp mantra" handle applying all the debian patches, make options, etc? |
| 22:41.54 | abrotman | did you apply the patche s? |
| 22:42.03 | Da_Wrecka | kevin01123: I'm aware, I was just commenting. |
| 22:42.36 | therealgalen | abrotman: no, i just have the source here in /usr/src |
| 22:42.39 | timeoh | Does anyone has experience with Zotac ION 330 Debian XBMC md Raid5 HDMI to TV and SPDIF? |
| 22:43.13 | timeoh | mITX Zotac |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | therealgalen: then that's what you compile |
| 22:44.27 | therealgalen | abrotman: so that will work directly - no need to patch? |
| 22:45.15 | kevin01123 | Is no one else getting weird errors with X and fbcon? |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | it's not my source .. NFC |
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| 22:45.40 | Amarande | abrotman, I thought you said MFC for a moment and wondered if you'd gone mad |
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| 22:47.21 | bluesfreak72 | triple_xxx and abrotman: I did the Xorg -configure and did 'mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf' It wouldn't work on 2.6.30-2 nor 2.6.26-2. |
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| 22:47.31 | bluesfreak72 | I'll pastbin it... |
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| 22:51.39 | kevin01123 | Looks like KMS and intel cards don't play nice with this new .32 kernel. |
| 22:51.44 | abrotman | works fine here |
| 22:51.52 | PyroPhelia | is there an app that will tell me what groups a user is currently in? |
| 22:52.18 | kevin01123 | abrotman: What's your intel card? |
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| 22:52.58 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | works fine on another intel laptop too |
| 22:53.35 | kevin01123 | wtf? Why am I getting fbcon errors then? |
| 22:55.57 | kevin01123 | abrotman: Was there anything you had to change to get it to work? Any you had to append to the grub settings? |
| 22:56.05 | abrotman | nope |
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| 22:58.49 | therealgalen | how do i rename the computer under debian? |
| 22:59.04 | streuner | man hostname? |
| 22:59.53 | deever | in mdadm/dmraid, how can i stop syncing? |
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| 23:00.07 | deever | just after a test i simply want to readd an already synced disk without having it resynced |
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| 23:02.46 | kevin01123 | Well, it started working, for reasons I'm not sure of. |
| 23:03.02 | kevin01123 | How do I know when KMS starts? What's the indicator? |
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| 23:04.08 | EliasAmaral | I installed debian lenny through debootstrap, and upgraded to testing. It is working fine. Now I want to install the nvidia proprietary drivers. I am following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant but I get a 'nvidia.ko failed to build!' message. My kernel is 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
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| 23:04.25 | kevin01123 | EliasAmaral: Did you install the headers? |
| 23:04.36 | EliasAmaral | it was automatically installed, I guess |
| 23:04.41 | kevin01123 | K. |
| 23:05.04 | EliasAmaral | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:05.19 | kevin01123 | EliasAmaral: If I remember, Debian has its own method for installing the nvidia proprietary drivers. |
| 23:05.23 | themill | EliasAmaral: you'll need nvidia from sid to build against that kernel. |
| 23:05.30 | EliasAmaral | I have this message http://osdir.com/ml/debian-russian-debian/2010-01/msg01063.html |
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| 23:05.37 | EliasAmaral | hm |
| 23:05.48 | EliasAmaral | (also, nvidia-glx wants to remove xorg...) |
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| 23:06.26 | kevin01123 | EliasAmaral: Do you have the exact output? |
| 23:06.36 | EliasAmaral | yes, i am pasting.. |
| 23:07.18 | EliasAmaral | http://pastie.org/812824 |
| 23:07.43 | EliasAmaral | from /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source.buildlog.2.6.32-trunk-686.1265497104 |
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| 23:08.46 | kevin01123 | EliasAmaral: Is that with the third party tool, or Debian's? |
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| 23:09.24 | Da_Wrecka | Is there any way to force the dpkg command to install a package even if it's reporting as already installed? |
| 23:09.48 | EliasAmaral | debian's... i.. think. I am following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant , I ran m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:09.51 | Da_Wrecka | dpkg -r says the package isn't installed, dpkg -Ei says the package is installed. I want to force dpkg to install the package regardless. |
| 23:09.51 | dpkg | removes says the package isn't installed, dpkg -Ei says the package is installed. I want to force dpkg to install the package regardless. along with a pound of flesh from da_wrecka's body, then staples da_wrecka back up with a staple gun. |
| 23:09.59 | cheako | Da_Wrecka: Last I knew dpkg did thta by default, apt-get needs a --reinstall flag. |
| 23:10.13 | Da_Wrecka | Oh, shut up dpkg, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking ABOUT you |
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| 23:10.22 | Da_Wrecka | cheako: Obviously not because it's refusing to reinstall |
| 23:10.41 | Da_Wrecka | oh. Wait. |
| 23:10.49 | kevin01123 | man dpkg | grep force shows various options. |
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| 23:11.02 | Da_Wrecka | I copied the command from module-assistant's output, but apparently the -E option is what's fucking me over |
| 23:11.14 | Da_Wrecka | let's see if it works without that |
| 23:11.29 | Da_Wrecka | Yes, it's working now. |
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| 23:12.07 | cheako | :) |
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| 23:13.59 | EliasAmaral | ps: I had an issue with udev. I was with linux 2.6.26 and udev refused to upgrade without having a newer kernel. but 2.6.32 had udev as dependency... It was fixed with a touch /etc/something (the dpkg error msg specified that). It's not related to that problem with nvidia (I think:p) but this seems to be something to be fixed in order to have a clean lenny->squeeze upgrade |
| 23:14.42 | themill | EliasAmaral: that's not an issue for lenny->squeeze... what you are doing is something considerably more strange |
| 23:15.13 | EliasAmaral | why? |
| 23:15.48 | themill | You are trying to run lenny on squeeze's kernel. That isn't part of the lenny->squeeze process at all |
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| 23:16.14 | EliasAmaral | no, I was trying to install squeeze kernel, and then reboot into it |
| 23:16.24 | EliasAmaral | that was what I did |
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| 23:17.30 | EliasAmaral | the kernel refused to be installed without the new udev installed.. and the new udev refused to be installed while running inside the old kernel |
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| 23:17.37 | Ujjain | How do I change network settings in Debian? |
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| 23:19.21 | streuner | Ujjain: man interfaces |
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| 23:19.42 | Ujjain | command not found |
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| 23:19.57 | EliasAmaral | "man" command not found? |
| 23:20.00 | Ujjain | Yes! |
| 23:20.04 | DEbiansqueeze | EliasAmaral install the new kernel with dpkg |
| 23:20.12 | abrotman | Ujjain: what does 'uname -a' say ? |
| 23:20.14 | DEbiansqueeze | then udev |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | why aren't people reading the error .... |
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| 23:21.06 | streuner | Ujjain: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:21.41 | EliasAmaral | DEbiansqueeze, hmmm. this is fixed for me. but this shouldn't happen in the stable squeeze anyway |
| 23:22.02 | abrotman | EliasAmaral: squeeze is NOT stable |
| 23:22.08 | streuner | Ujjain: and "aptitude install man-db" |
| 23:22.10 | EliasAmaral | no, i meant |
| 23:22.13 | babilen | EliasAmaral: You might want to inform yourself about backports. /msg dpkg bpo - But it looks like that is already too late. If you already managed to bork your lenny install /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 23:22.18 | abrotman | EliasAmaral: ideally it won't happen |
| 23:22.22 | EliasAmaral | when squeeze become stable |
| 23:22.37 | themill | EliasAmaral: it won't already as soon as the kernel ABI is stablised or a newer version of udev is uploaded |
| 23:22.48 | EliasAmaral | oh ok |
| 23:23.00 | themill | prods Md to do that upload.... |
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| 23:24.19 | Ujjain | How do I change networksettings in ifconfig without setup and network-scripts/eth0? |
| 23:24.29 | EliasAmaral | babilen, i actually intended to install testing |
| 23:24.50 | abrotman | Ujjain: what does 'uname -a' say ? |
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| 23:26.29 | Python1320 | Anyone willing to help me with NAT with 5 outside ip addresses (from dhcp, 5 nics) and 8+ inside computers using DNAT and SNAT together all managed within debian? |
| 23:26.44 | Ujjain | abrotman: It's rebooting, it said 2.6 something. |
| 23:26.54 | babilen | EliasAmaral: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze and have a look at lenny's release notes. A lot of stuff in there applies to an upgrade from lenny to squeeze as well. |
| 23:28.09 | EliasAmaral | safe-upgrade + full-upgrade? i didn't knew about that |
| 23:28.36 | themill | That's why you should read release notes.... |
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| 23:28.43 | EliasAmaral | dist-upgrade is supposed to break things? |
| 23:28.52 | Ujjain | 2.6.67-1, I cannot post it here, because internet does not yet work. |
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| 23:29.06 | abrotman | Ujjain: it's not very long .. |
| 23:29.12 | abrotman | Ujjain: or what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 23:29.22 | themill | Ujjain: have a go at trying it exactly. Mistakes matter. |
| 23:29.36 | Ujjain | uname -r: 2.6.27-1 |
| 23:29.50 | Ujjain | hey! that's a different number. |
| 23:29.55 | Ujjain | wait, I mistyped. |
| 23:30.04 | Ujjain | the second is correct. |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | Ujjain: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 23:30.14 | streuner | 2.6.27-1 seems to be correct |
| 23:30.22 | themill | Ujjain: I'll bet that #ubuntu is going to be more help for you than #debian. |
| 23:30.24 | abrotman | streuner: not in any version of debian |
| 23:30.41 | Ujjain | I am not using Ubuntu. |
| 23:30.52 | abrotman | that kernel is not in debian, at all |
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| 23:31.25 | EliasAmaral | Ujjain, what lsb_release -a says? |
| 23:31.30 | themill | Ujjain: well, it's not debian. So what is it? 2.6.27 was *never* uploaded to debian. |
| 23:31.34 | EliasAmaral | or at least lsb_release -r |
| 23:32.11 | abrotman | i don't think -r will help |
| 23:32.24 | Ujjain | command not found. |
| 23:32.29 | Ujjain | it is Engarde. |
| 23:32.35 | streuner | Engarde? |
| 23:32.35 | EliasAmaral | you must have a very minimal system: without man and lsb_release.. |
| 23:32.40 | abrotman | Ujjain: so go ask them .. it's NOT debian |
| 23:32.45 | Ujjain | Who needs man nowadays. |
| 23:32.50 | abrotman | you do apparently |
| 23:32.57 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:32.59 | Ujjain | Yes, I need it a lot. |
| 23:33.19 | EliasAmaral | it's a distro based on debian? |
| 23:33.28 | Ujjain | Yes. It seems so. |
| 23:33.35 | EliasAmaral | i think the configuration procedures might be similar |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | it's not Debian .. it's offtopic here .. find its channel or try ##linux |
| 23:33.44 | EliasAmaral | but they may differ at subtle parts |
| 23:33.56 | streuner | Ujjain: why not just install Debian and com back? |
| 23:34.03 | streuner | come* |
| 23:34.07 | Ujjain | I need a secure OS. |
| 23:34.08 | themill | Ujjain: sounds like EliasAmaral is offering to help you in #EnGarde or ##linux... |
| 23:34.24 | Ujjain | EliasAmaral: That would be great, feel free to join me in #EnGarde. |
| 23:35.00 | streuner | a secure OS without reading man-pages, hm |
| 23:35.54 | dvs | streuner: its secure because no one knows how to use it! That's the MS pholisophy |
| 23:36.49 | babilen | Ujjain: You might want to take a look at the "Securing Debian Manual" |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | babilen: enough .. it's not Debian |
| 23:37.19 | abrotman | he doesn't want Debian .. just let him leave |
| 23:38.05 | LTL2h | abortted |
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| 23:47.37 | deever | in mdadm/dmraid, how can i stop syncing? |
| 23:48.14 | deever | just after a test i simply want to readd an already synced disk without having it resynced |
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| 23:49.11 | numb_l0ck | has anyone got the webcam drivers to work on a server |
| 23:49.15 | numb_l0ck | running headless |
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| 23:59.56 | J-a-s0n | Hello; I'm having trouble networking my Dell Dimension 8250; I'm fairly sure it's that I don't have the correct driver, but I'm not really sure. last year I was using this machine with Ubuntu, and all networking worked great. Then I had to reinstall Ubuntu over the entire thing to prepare it to give to a scouting group. When I reinstalled, it seems like the ethernet was not found. The... |
| 23:59.57 | J-a-s0n | ...ethernet interface was not detected no matter what I tried. I also tried using a D-link wireless N (DWA-160) usb stick (which had also worked before) and it was able to detect my network name, but never able to connect. I tried everything I could find online and in the forums to no avail. I tried a live CD of Knoppix (just to see if it could detect the hardware) and that showed the same... |
| 23:59.59 | J-a-s0n | ...results. I then found the Debian device driver check & report for Dell/Dimension 8250, and it motivated me to just try installing Debian, largly in the hopes that it would contain the correct driver(s) to make it work, but upon installation the Ethernet card was not detected. When I selected e100, the correct one according to the report, it stutters and goes back asking for another... |
