| 00:00.01 | J-a-s0n | ...driver. Can anyone offer any ideas on how to get this thing connected to the outside world? Thanks in advance. |
| 00:00.12 | EliasAmaral | hm o.o you have a really big problem |
| 00:01.12 | EliasAmaral | can you tell me what is the output of lspci | grep -i net |
| 00:01.37 | EliasAmaral | ? (there might be a better command) |
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| 00:02.35 | abrotman | J-a-s0n: jebus .. lspci -nn .. what is the device |
| 00:02.36 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:02.40 | J-a-s0n | i am currently on the installer for Debian; should I exit and go back to ubuntu, or just go ahead and install without networking? |
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| 00:03.17 | DJOtter | Hoping someone would be able to help me with a small problem |
| 00:03.18 | abrotman | that's up to you .. |
| 00:03.21 | dondelelcaro | J-a-s0n: do you see the ethernet card in lspci? In general, the right module should be loaded automatically without you doing anything |
| 00:03.38 | DJOtter | while troubleshooting a apache problem I deleted the default files in /etc/apache2/sites-available ? I tried a reinstall in apt but did add them back |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | if it's supported |
| 00:03.47 | abrotman | !tell DJOtter about confmiss |
| 00:03.58 | abrotman | DJOtter: and the package is apache2.2-common |
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| 00:04.29 | J-a-s0n | I'm going to go ahead and install Debian, then report back when I can do this. Thanks you for your willingness to help. |
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| 00:04.35 | DJOtter | thanks, will give it a shot right now |
| 00:05.34 | Gm4n | if I want to throw something really slow (something that takes hours) into a daily cron job, do I need to run it with an &? |
| 00:05.54 | DJOtter | abrotman: that is it! thanks! |
| 00:10.29 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: no |
| 00:10.52 | Gm4n | ok, thanks dondelelcaro =) I wasn't sure if cron would fork off each item, or if they were run in series. |
| 00:10.58 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: everything is forked |
| 00:11.05 | Gm4n | perfect! |
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| 00:26.19 | mjec | hey debianites, I want to force a package from stable version to experimental with aptitude... how can I do this? |
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| 00:26.38 | dondelelcaro | mjec: in general, you cannot install experimental packages on stable |
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| 00:28.15 | mjec | in general? I've heard rumours of a -t switch... or is that a Bad Idea? |
| 00:28.49 | dondelelcaro | mjec: the reason being that you will end up with a broken system, or a system which has been partially upgraded to unstable/experimental |
| 00:28.57 | dondelelcaro | mjec: you want a backport |
| 00:30.24 | mjec | ah HA, that is exactly what I want! Thanks dondelelcaro! |
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| 00:50.37 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 00:51.30 | johnfg | I was almost installed, when I got an error about selecting and installing the software. Question: is there a way to resume where the install left off? I think I corrected the problem, it was with an external hd. |
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| 00:53.14 | DEbiansqueeze | you doing a net install? |
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| 00:54.11 | johnfg | DEbiansqueeze, yup. |
| 00:54.25 | deever | in mdadm/dmraid, how can i stop syncing? |
| 00:54.34 | deever | just after a test i simply want to readd an already synced disk without having it resynced |
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| 00:54.57 | johnfg | I started the install again, and tried to select the select and install software, but it wants to reformat hard drive, etc. |
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| 00:55.39 | DEbiansqueeze | being myself i would just want to start over but possibly one of the more experienced have a better idea |
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| 00:57.56 | numb_l0ck | I forget, where is the location of the uninstall scripts?? |
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| 01:02.34 | CooPs89 | I just compiled pureftp-d but the make install didn't put a startup script in init.d. Also does make install really ensure that pro-ftpd is started on startup? |
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| 01:07.21 | reallove | CooPs89: if you compiled it from source code, then it doesn't add an init script -> it's not starting upon system boot |
| 01:07.40 | CooPs89 | what steps should I follow to ensure that it starts on boot |
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| 01:08.02 | CooPs89 | can I make an init.d script for it somehow? |
| 01:08.06 | nsadmin | CooPs89 look at /etc/init.d/skeleton and /README |
| 01:08.17 | nsadmin | yes you can |
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| 01:08.58 | CooPs89 | thanks |
| 01:09.06 | nsadmin | you -might- have better results if you install the package |
| 01:09.17 | nsadmin | but, it's your box |
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| 01:11.17 | User_007 | guys, i need help. I have full-upgraded and now, when i go GDM, my keyboard doesn't work. I have tried modprobe kbd and it says that the module doesn't exist |
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| 01:11.43 | User_007 | i think the problem must be hal, that i chose to make a new config file. |
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| 01:13.24 | User_007 | please, if anyone can help i will be so grateful |
| 01:14.26 | nsadmin | doe your kbd wrk if you try maintainance mode? |
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| 01:14.58 | nsadmin | I notice it's working now... is this the same machine |
| 01:17.14 | User_007 | keyboard works well on single mode, |
| 01:17.34 | User_007 | but stops working on gdm |
| 01:18.15 | limpio | hi, how can i modify my hd to DOS 6.X, aparently i erased that and now i get an error when using cfdisk: "disk has been changed, program without writing partition table", any ideas? |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | you want to have DOS on it ? |
| 01:20.06 | jelly-home | User_007: which debian release are you using? |
| 01:20.18 | User_007 | squeeze |
| 01:20.18 | jelly-home | (please don't say testing or unstable) |
| 01:20.29 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 01:21.44 | User_007 | jelly-home, whats the great problem with squeeze: |
| 01:21.46 | limpio | I'm using debian lenny, and aparently, the format by default on debian is msdos something |
| 01:21.46 | hayleyw | User_007, squeeze doesnt usually need an xorg config file. try making a backup and sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart gdm |
| 01:22.01 | User_007 | i have already done it |
| 01:22.11 | User_007 | and i get the same error |
| 01:22.33 | hayleyw | limpio, uh, no |
| 01:22.53 | User_007 | wait a sec |
| 01:23.50 | limpio | hayleyw, i remember a few years back the installer would give options and one of those was DOS for the partition table, i may be wrong... |
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| 01:41.39 | sepult | it's really .... to reinstall packages on debian |
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| 01:52.32 | User_007 | i tried some tricks like su user and then startx, but it still with the problem... |
| 01:52.57 | User_007 | aparently hal is not well |
| 01:53.50 | User_007 | the great problem is: i can't use the keyboard on X |
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| 01:55.50 | User_007 | abrotman, do you have any clue: |
| 01:56.12 | abrotman | i'd guess it's in the BTS, i haven't experienced this |
| 01:56.37 | User_007 | well, ty |
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| 02:01.08 | nsadmin | doe your kbd wrk if you try maintainance mode? |
| 02:01.47 | nsadmin | (yeah, I know what you all are thinking... he didn't respond the first time I asked...) |
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| 02:02.03 | User_007 | nsadmin, it works on command line, but when i try enter x,(even if root) it doesnt work |
| 02:02.21 | nsadmin | what are all the ways you've tried? |
| 02:02.38 | nsadmin | how does your kbd connect? |
| 02:02.52 | User_007 | nsadmin: is a notebook, i think it is ps2 |
| 02:03.18 | nsadmin | has it ever worked in x? |
| 02:03.40 | User_007 | i tried as root and user, in 3 kernels, in single mode with startx |
| 02:03.55 | nsadmin | ok, so you used startx |
| 02:04.11 | User_007 | gdm and startx |
| 02:04.20 | nsadmin | does the mouse work? |
| 02:04.24 | User_007 | yes |
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| 02:04.52 | User_007 | and this keyboard ever worked on x |
| 02:05.13 | nsadmin | can't parse that... never? always? |
| 02:05.18 | User_007 | on etch, lenny, squeeze... |
| 02:05.36 | User_007 | it was working until 2 hours ago |
| 02:06.01 | nsadmin | what else happened 2 hours ago? |
| 02:06.22 | User_007 | i full-upgraded my system after 2 months without internet |
| 02:06.38 | nsadmin | from what to what? |
| 02:07.02 | User_007 | from squeeze (two months ago) to squeeze (now) |
| 02:07.12 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:07.32 | nsadmin | you used aptitude? |
| 02:07.42 | User_007 | synaptic.. |
| 02:07.50 | User_007 | but after i checked with aptitude |
| 02:08.05 | nsadmin | ok, does synaptic have a log of what it installed? |
| 02:08.33 | User_007 | i don't know, i can search if you now where it must be |
| 02:08.58 | nsadmin | so I think you could be right, it could have something to do with hal... but it definitely has something to do with the upgrade |
| 02:09.18 | User_007 | yes , i think it to |
| 02:09.20 | User_007 | too |
| 02:09.38 | nsadmin | no, unfortunately I don't know where it keeps its logs |
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| 02:10.23 | nsadmin | we haven't found the problem here, but there's probably a coupla new pieces of info (the full upgrade) |
| 02:10.48 | nsadmin | it would be good to find out how your kbd connects, whether it's usb or ps/2 |
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| 02:10.56 | nsadmin | or something else |
| 02:11.59 | nsadmin | ( |
| 02:12.02 | nsadmin | err |
| 02:12.36 | nsadmin | would be good to know for -sure- what it is |
| 02:14.53 | nsadmin | I wonder if your system as it was before the upgrade was loading specific modules, maybe for the keyboard |
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| 02:17.49 | User_007 | nsadmin, i am lucky today, i have cleaned my archives, and the .debs are the ones that i installed today |
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| 02:26.41 | numb_l0ck | anyone know where I can get info for the webcam package?? |
| 02:26.48 | numb_l0ck | specificly conf file how to |
| 02:27.03 | liable | doesnt it have docs in /usr/share/doc? |
| 02:28.12 | User_007 | how to save ls output in a file: |
| 02:28.28 | numb_l0ck | its gotta man page now that you think of it :) |
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| 02:30.38 | m4t | is there a way to make udev more quiet on boot in squeeze? spews a bunch of warnings to console |
| 02:30.48 | Tramp | User_007: ls >file |
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| 02:31.58 | User_007 | nsadmin, it is the list of packages installed http://pastebin.com/m738101c4 |
| 02:32.06 | User_007 | Ty Tramp |
| 02:33.39 | User_007 | nsadmin: they are about 957 packages |
| 02:34.31 | User_007 | including hal |
| 02:38.30 | m4t | the squeeze xorg kind of worked in lenny |
| 02:38.41 | m4t | but in squeeze X is unkillable and eats up 100% cpu |
| 02:39.05 | m4t | root 1687 98.1 0.0 9376 3016 tty7 Rs+ 21:33 0:38 /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 02:40.17 | m4t | it might be the 2.6.32-trunk kernel |
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| 02:41.02 | User_007 | m4t i have 4 kernels, 2.6.30, .31, .32, .32-trunk |
| 02:41.21 | m4t | im going to try .30 |
| 02:41.29 | m4t | which is recommended currently in squeeze? this is sparc |
| 02:41.44 | m4t | also, do you get the flood of udev to console on boot? |
| 02:42.15 | User_007 | how to do it: |
| 02:42.31 | User_007 | : == ? |
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| 02:43.04 | m4t | ? |
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| 02:43.33 | User_007 | how to get the flood of udev to console on boot? |
| 02:44.10 | m4t | get rid of it...it's relating to the rule file format i think |
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| 02:46.44 | User_007 | my keyboard is not working neither of these kernels i have... |
| 02:46.55 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 02:46.56 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 02:49.24 | m4t | anyone experienced the gnome dependency mess in squeeze? |
| 02:50.17 | User_007 | wait a sec |
| 02:52.20 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:55.36 | WormFood | are there still 32-bit apps out there that won't work with 64-bit linux? It seems now 64-bit linux is pretty well supported. |
| 02:55.58 | zinx | zsnes :P |
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| 03:03.34 | abrotman | WormFood: skype |
| 03:04.19 | WormFood | hahaha....figures...skype is such garbage (but i still use it, because I have many friends that only use skype)...where I live, people like to pronounce it as "sky pee", which I think is fitting. |
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| 03:08.49 | User_007 | my bootlog http://pastebin.com/m24b7792b |
| 03:09.08 | User_007 | guys, i think i chosed to make a new hal config file, how can i restore the old one: |
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| 03:12.46 | User_007 | guys, i think i chosed to make a new hal config file, how can i restore the old one? |
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| 03:14.25 | FluxD | User_007, hopefully u made a backup ? |
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| 03:14.44 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 03:14.50 | User_007 | maybe, where is the config file of hal: |
| 03:14.58 | TomyLobo | i'm having trouble installing python2.6-minimal: http://paste.debian.net/58955 |
| 03:16.32 | TomyLobo | i'm not actually a python user so i have no idea wtf it's talking about |
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| 03:17.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | TomyLobo: the error message seems pretty explicit |
| 03:17.59 | TomyLobo | i dont know which one you're referring to |
| 03:18.21 | TomyLobo | it says "file a bug report" |
| 03:18.30 | TomyLobo | but that doesn't really solve my problem :/ |
| 03:18.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | please find the package shipping files in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages and |
| 03:18.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | file a bug report to ship these in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages instead |
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| 03:18.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | TomyLobo: the work around is to remove whatever package is shipping files in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages |
| 03:19.20 | TomyLobo | pysvn |
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| 03:19.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | file a bug on pysvn (if thats the pakage using that dir), and remove it while you install python2.6 |
| 03:20.31 | TomyLobo | gah removing python-svn will remove a package i manually installed |
| 03:20.55 | TomyLobo | and which happens to be my reason for installing python2.6 |
| 03:21.18 | stiqr | anyone here used twitter before? when you write a message like, @obama, does that person get to see my message?? |
| 03:21.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | stiqr: bit irrelevant for here really |
| 03:22.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | TomyLobo: are you running testing or stable? |
| 03:23.18 | TomyLobo | squeeze |
| 03:24.11 | nsadmin | TomyLobo you filing a bug report will solve your problem if you also fix the problem and include the fix in the report |
| 03:24.29 | craigevil | python-dulwich: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages , do you have that package installed |
| 03:24.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | TomyLobo: ftr, your bug report is probably #555798 |
| 03:25.00 | TomyLobo | like i said, i'm not actually a python user |
| 03:25.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | guessing from the bug title - i've not read it |
| 03:25.36 | TomyLobo | i just want to try out rabbitvcs |
| 03:25.41 | TomyLobo | which integrates with gnome |
| 03:25.47 | TomyLobo | so i installed gnome |
| 03:25.52 | TomyLobo | which depends on python |
| 03:25.57 | TomyLobo | which refuses to install |
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| 03:27.26 | TomyLobo | and now i ended up removing the almost completly installed gnome just to get rid of a conflicting package which i needed for rabbitvcs |
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| 03:48.08 | User_007 | i found the problem when i tried to reinstall hal... apartently hal and dbus versions on my pc are not compatible |
| 03:48.46 | User_007 | its like hal is not runnig |
| 03:48.52 | User_007 | for hal |
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| 03:52.55 | CooPs89 | trying to make an init script to pure-ftp but it hangs on start-stop-deamon |
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| 03:53.24 | CooPs89 | maybe it expects the deamon to fork by itself and return? |
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| 03:57.22 | iluminator101 | hi when i tried to use clonezilla i get this error no unmounted partitions, how do i fix this? |
| 03:57.50 | abrotman | i'd guess you have to unmount a partition |
| 03:58.08 | gauge | is there a quick command to show "where" a folder is? Like maybe print out a tree, showing a folders location? |
| 03:58.29 | abrotman | ls -ld . ? |
| 03:58.42 | abrotman | uhm .. wrong |
| 03:58.56 | iluminator101 | hmm.... |
| 03:59.11 | abrotman | gauge: give a better example |
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| 04:00.15 | gauge | well, lets say I'm in a /home/me/music/grunge/pearl-jam/ and I want to see if there are any other artists (folders) in grunge. or I'd liek to see how "deep" I am... does that make sense? |
| 04:00.36 | gauge | wow all that made way more sense in my mind. |
| 04:01.10 | nsadmin | gauge: any other artists in grunge -> ls .. or ls /home/me/music/grunge/ |
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| 04:01.27 | nsadmin | gauge: "how deep" is a different question |
| 04:01.37 | gauge | aye... I see that now. |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | gauge: ls $(dirname $PWD) .. perhaps |
| 04:01.56 | gauge | what about just printing the current parth to the working dir? |
| 04:02.03 | nsadmin | pwd |
| 04:02.09 | gauge | wicked. |
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| 04:02.36 | gauge | well that helps a bit, thanks nsadmin . |
| 04:02.47 | abrotman | no one liked mine? i don't get the boston cheer? |
| 04:03.09 | nsadmin | gauge: take a look at dpkg -L textutils |
| 04:03.12 | nsadmin | and coreutils |
| 04:03.32 | gauge | abrotman: yours had a bit to much going on for my small feeble mind this evening.. |
| 04:03.48 | gauge | will do. |
| 04:03.59 | abrotman | gauge: it's just a single command to try |
| 04:04.42 | nsadmin | abrotman: could you explain to him (gradually :) how $(...) works? |
| 04:04.54 | nsadmin | or not how it works but what it does |
| 04:04.56 | abrotman | nsadmin: to you or him? :) |
| 04:05.17 | nsadmin | to him, but he's not ready this hours |
| 04:05.22 | nsadmin | this hour |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | neither am i .. he's in my timezone, i'm tired :) |
| 04:06.08 | gauge | wow, that kinda worked abrotman |
| 04:06.17 | nsadmin | for now I'll just say the shell you're using is extremely powerful (in its expressiveness) |
| 04:06.41 | gauge | neato. |
| 04:07.34 | Hodapp | DOS is sort of like a castrated and heavily sedated form of that shell. |
| 04:07.58 | abrotman | except .. not |
| 04:08.16 | Hodapp | No, it is. |
| 04:08.30 | gauge | is everyone asuming I'm using bash, and not zsh? |
| 04:08.44 | abrotman | no, it's really not .. batch scripting and the DOS shell are nothing compared to bash or even more advanced shells |
| 04:09.18 | Hodapp | Perhaps you're not getting what I mean when I say "sort of like a castrated and heavily sedated form of." |
| 04:09.30 | abrotman | not even remotely related :) |
| 04:10.10 | Hodapp | Yeah, that's a confirmation that you don't know what I mean. |
| 04:11.09 | simonrvn | he usually leaves at this time |
| 04:11.22 | Hodapp | Hrm? |
| 04:11.34 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 04:11.38 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I haven't a clue. |
| 04:11.52 | simonrvn | ravenbird: that's ok |
| 04:11.53 | ravenbird | simonrvn: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:11.55 | Hodapp | simonrvn: What do you mean? |
| 04:11.55 | iluminator101 | abortman so you are saying i choose the second option in clonezilla setting up partitons or |
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| 04:12.11 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 04:12.38 | simonrvn | Hodapp: you took his leaving as confirmation ... he usually leaves at this time. |
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| 04:13.11 | johnfg | Now I'm getting a weird error message from gftp when trying to download debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso to a 8gb flash drive. |
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| 04:13.59 | johnfg | I've got over 3 gb left on the drive, over 91% of the iso downloaded, but now I'm getting the error: Error: Could not write to socket: File too large |
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| 04:14.14 | johnfg | Anyway to work around this? |
| 04:14.50 | petemc | what filesystem is on the drive? |
| 04:14.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | johnfg: whats the filesystem? |
| 04:15.11 | johnfg | Kamping_Kaiser, On the flash drive? |
| 04:15.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup |
| 04:16.00 | johnfg | Not sure. How do I tell? |
| 04:16.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'mount' |
| 04:16.25 | johnfg | vfat |
| 04:16.50 | Hodapp | simonrvn: I didn't take his leaving as a confirmation; my timing was just a bit slow. |
| 04:17.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | johnfg: 4gb file size limit |
| 04:17.11 | johnfg | But I've already got 4,294,967,295 of the file |
| 04:17.39 | johnfg | Kamping_Kaiser, Can I change it to ntfs? Would that take care of it? |
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| 04:18.21 | johnfg | Or if I change the filesystem on the flash drive will it majorly screw it up? |
| 04:18.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | johnfg: you'll lose the data on it |
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| 04:19.23 | johnfg | What would I use to change the filesystem? gparted? |
| 04:19.42 | johnfg | It's a cruzer. |
| 04:20.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | why do you want to use vfat/ntfs rather then ext2? |
| 04:20.43 | johnfg | I don't. My linux systems are all formatted in ext3. |
| 04:20.56 | adb | johnfg, do you want to boot from 'cruzer' ? |
| 04:21.24 | johnfg | Whoops, not true; my fedora 12 is ext4. |
| 04:21.41 | johnfg | adb, I'd like to, but my BIOS won't let me. |
| 04:21.49 | johnfg | So, no. |
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| 04:22.07 | adb | So do it ext3 .. |
| 04:22.25 | johnfg | Would you guys use gparted? or what? |
| 04:22.32 | adb | fdisk |
| 04:22.52 | tensorpudding | cfdisk |
| 04:23.02 | DogBoy | what's wrong with gparted |
| 04:23.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | he asked what we would use ... |
| 04:23.18 | adb | to big .. |
| 04:23.23 | tensorpudding | nothing wrong with it, just like cfdisk |
| 04:23.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | cfdisk+mkfs |
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| 04:23.32 | DogBoy | yea and I'm asking why you would use it |
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| 04:24.02 | DogBoy | I always use gparted live cd myself |
| 04:24.13 | DogBoy | but depends what I'm trying to do |
| 04:24.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | its everywhere, and works on slow links |
| 04:24.21 | johnfg | will cfdisk (which I've never used, but I see I have it) allow me to change the fs type without losing the data (I know of the caveats)? |
| 04:24.25 | tensorpudding | i use cfdisk because sometimes i administer over ssh |
| 04:24.50 | tensorpudding | i don't mind fdisk either |
| 04:25.14 | johnfg | So can it change without destroying the data? |
| 04:25.28 | adb | NO |
| 04:25.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | still no :) |
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| 04:26.34 | smacnay | debian hasn't ported the Mozilla songbird app yet, has it? |
| 04:26.48 | johnfg | Is that because of vfat vs. how you can change (I think) between ext3 and ext4? |
| 04:27.19 | adb | johnfg, but copy date to disk , and after partition +format move data back |
| 04:27.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | smacnay: check packages.debian.org |
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| 04:28.20 | Amarande | I wonder how long before debian adopts ext4 as its standard fs for the installation system |
| 04:28.31 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 04:28.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Amarande: 43 centimetres |
| 04:29.59 | Amarande | *groan* |
| 04:30.08 | Amarande | I obviously need more vodka |
| 04:31.09 | sepult | does mozilla depend on orbit ? |
| 04:31.19 | sepult | or xulrunner ? |
| 04:31.35 | sepult | i mean or does xulrunner depend on orbit too ? |
| 04:32.33 | f3xy | has anyone used dbus to open terminals in roxterm? |
| 04:32.44 | f3xy | or any terminal for that manner. Haven't play with dbus too much |
| 04:33.08 | f3xy | I just want to be able to open tabs and run commands in a terminal. I use gnome btw |
| 04:33.35 | f3xy | any suggestions or thoughts? I switched to roxterm from gnome-terminal because I heard dbus support is lacking in gnome-terminal. Though roxterm's doesn't seem much better |
| 04:34.42 | tensorpudding | wait, what does dbus have to do with opening tabs in a terminal? |
| 04:35.28 | f3xy | I wish to do this via a bash script |
| 04:35.30 | f3xy | <-- lazy |
| 04:35.31 | iluminator101 | how do i transfer my old printer settings from my external where i have /etc saved |
| 04:35.42 | iluminator101 | printer/scanner all in one |
| 04:35.43 | f3xy | I don't want open 7 tabs every time I open my terminal |
| 04:35.49 | f3xy | and I do use screen |
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| 04:40.42 | power | hi, is it possible to send a printjob to multiple printers ? |
| 04:40.53 | jgoppert | Whats the debian packaging irc channel? |
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| 04:41.30 | jmarsden | jgoppert: #debian-mentors on OFTC, I think. |
| 04:41.38 | jgoppert | thanks |
| 04:41.44 | jmarsden | jgoppert: You're welcome. |
| 04:43.40 | iluminator101 | how do i transfer my old printer settings from my external where i have /etc saved |
| 04:46.29 | iluminator101 | what folder in /etc has the printer settings |
| 04:46.39 | f3xy | locate cups? |
| 04:46.40 | tensorpudding | i would guess that cups would |
| 04:46.52 | tensorpudding | in /etc/cups/ |
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| 04:49.00 | djahandarie | Since when was there a cron for apt-get update? |
| 04:49.13 | Rusty1 | f3xy: perhaps guake but i dont know why |
| 04:49.55 | nsadmin | is guake a new mirst-person shooter? |
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| 04:50.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | djahandarie: check the changelog |
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| 04:50.53 | f3xy | Rusty1: don't know if it will solve my problem, but it looks interesting I'll have to install it |
| 04:51.20 | f3xy | thank you |
| 04:51.34 | f3xy | terminal modelled after consoles in fps |
| 04:51.38 | f3xy | interesting idea |
| 04:51.58 | f3xy | I will have to try push_latency 999 :P |
| 04:52.49 | djahandarie | Kamping_Kaiser, apparently it has always been there since there is no mention of it |
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| 04:55.45 | Da_Wrecka | oh holy shit, I'm actually getting scan results with the Belkin WNIC now |
| 04:55.54 | Da_Wrecka | Too bad it's still not associating with my AP |
| 04:57.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | djahandarie: timestamp: Sat 2004-11-13 18:35:58 +0000 |
| 04:57.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | djahandarie: or so says the bzr repo |
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| 04:59.20 | f3xy | is there a gnome dbus service browser? |
| 04:59.31 | f3xy | kde has them :_( |
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| 05:02.29 | siskulous | Can anyone recommend a good 802.11n card for a desktop running sid? |
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| 05:15.54 | jigaelo | hey, I'm trying to find the most secure way to remote into my lenny desktop from work, any recommendations, or should i just use vnc over ssh? |
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| 05:30.32 | k\t | is there a utility to take screenshots of multiple screens at once? |
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| 05:35.55 | RS_ | Hi... can anyone point me in the direction of what I might be doing wrong when installing debian on my VIA 6421 based sata card? |
| 05:36.20 | RS_ | It says it can't detect any disks... any driver i try doesn't work. |
| 05:36.47 | RS_ | been trying for days to find something via google |
| 05:37.37 | neoice | I'm trying to figure out what my VNC server is doing. its getting called by inetd. is there an obvious place to view logs for it? |
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| 05:47.54 | k\t | hey, i have multiple display at :0.{0,1,2,...}. is there a util to take a mass screenshot rather than individually running the screens through some program? |
| 05:48.13 | k\t | each* |
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| 05:49.41 | k\t | my history and image magick.. surely a tragedy.. |
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| 06:15.17 | Da_Wrecka | Blah. iwconfig is at least showing an ESSID, which is more than it was doing before, but it's still not associating with the AP. |
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| 06:24.22 | project2501a | hey guys i can't see a package for mongodb in the packages. |
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| 06:25.38 | Amarande | are you running lenny? |
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| 06:29.35 | colton | So, if i'd like to communicate with the linux os, one method is to use a syscall, what other methods are there? |
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| 06:30.22 | virtualroot | what do you recommended to create a monitoring system based on cpu consumption generated by users in the system? like some hosting companies |
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| 06:34.18 | N3tw0rK | virtualroot: nagios |
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| 06:36.18 | N3tw0rK | virtualroot: you still around? |
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| 06:37.41 | virtualroot | N3tw0rK: no, i need to monitor the amount of usage of application (apache) than users generates |
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| 06:40.05 | virtualroot | N3tw0rK: something like this http://kb.mediatemple.net/questions/269/Understanding+the+GPU+Tool |
| 06:40.32 | project2501a | Amarande: da, tawarich, i am running lennin |
| 06:40.41 | project2501a | nagios sucks |
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| 06:40.46 | Amarande | lenny doesn't have that package |
| 06:40.52 | Amarande | actually, come to think of it, from what I saw on p.d.o |
| 06:40.52 | project2501a | but it's better than anything else out there |
| 06:40.56 | Amarande | that package isn't in debian, period |
| 06:41.02 | project2501a | Amarande: so i figured |
| 06:41.22 | project2501a | boss wants mongodb. to be downloadink... |
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| 06:42.25 | project2501a | what is five-year plan towards communism? |
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| 06:48.19 | amazon10x | i'm using the squeeze installer, and i'm at the partition section. i setup one partition for crypto, but now i want to delete that partition so i can do two partitions instead, but i can't find anyway to delete the crypto thing |
| 06:48.46 | amazon10x | if i try to select the actual crypto partition i get a "no modifications can be made" error because it is "in use as physical volume for encrypted volume sdb1_crypt" |
| 06:48.48 | valium | hi all - anyone know the preferred way to integrate virus scanning into samba? |
| 06:49.05 | Da_Wrecka | wants to hit wpa_supplicant in its nuts with a sledgehammer |
| 06:49.18 | Da_Wrecka | It's not working and now it's not even telling me why. |
| 06:49.41 | Da_Wrecka | The log file is empty, I mean 0 bytes, there's nothing in it. |
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| 07:00.49 | project2501a | r, can i tell dpkg to install a package on a different root directory? |
| 07:01.17 | wols | dpkg --help |grep root |
| 07:01.17 | dpkg | i don't know, wols |
| 07:01.24 | wols | dpkg: shut up |
| 07:01.24 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 07:01.30 | project2501a | heh |
| 07:02.01 | wols | however, often chroot is better to use than that |
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| 07:02.31 | project2501a | wols: i just grabed the mongodb package straight from the mongo people, and it's full of fail |
| 07:02.54 | project2501a | wols: for a package that's not part of the distro, it assumes i want it in / |
| 07:03.00 | project2501a | instead of /usr/local |
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| 07:07.39 | jmarsden | project2501a: I'd suggest you grab the source package, patch its Makefile to use $DESTDIR, and then set that to somewhere appropriate when doing make install in debian/rules -- and contribute the result back upstream :) |
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| 07:09.38 | project2501a | jmarsden: that's exactly what i wanna do |
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| 07:10.26 | project2501a | the #mongodb guy is playing deaf, though |
| 07:10.55 | jmarsden | project2501a: As long as you can download the source package you don't need him to do that :) |
| 07:11.10 | project2501a | yeah, i was just talking about the "upstream" part |
| 07:11.22 | project2501a | oh, you were talking about upstream in *debian* not him. gotcha |
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| 07:12.46 | jmarsden | Well, that comes later. You can always post to the mongodb mailing list (assuming one exists) about your work, and hope that others will then ask that it be added to the real upstream, too! |
| 07:13.01 | project2501a | da. will do. |
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| 07:14.45 | dioz_mio | is exim4 service necessary? |
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| 07:15.01 | project2501a | dioz_mio: not as such. |
| 07:15.06 | dioz_mio | thanks |
| 07:15.19 | project2501a | but remove it at your own peril |
| 07:15.42 | Amarande | yeah, debian tends to be a very sticky web when it comes to removing anything that the system came with |
| 07:15.54 | Amarande | remove package A, and suddenly packages B, C, D, E, F, and G are gone too |
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| 07:16.23 | project2501a | Amarande: not true with exim4. besides that is the right way of doing things. you want to keep track of dependencies |
| 07:16.31 | Amarande | well, yeah |
| 07:16.34 | dioz_mio | do we stop a service completely by update-rc.d exim4 remove ? |
| 07:16.43 | dioz_mio | i mean permanently? |
| 07:16.52 | Amarande | but the point I was trying to make is that it's easy to find a seemingly innocuous package to be something that half the box depends on :) |
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| 07:16.59 | project2501a | Amarande: kde ? |
| 07:17.01 | project2501a | :D |
| 07:17.14 | Amarande | I use GNOME |
| 07:17.27 | Amarande | although there's a chance large portions of KDE are installed anyway, depending on what X apps I installed |
| 07:17.30 | project2501a | dioz_mio: yes, you can stop a service from starting up during boot by doing what you just said. |
| 07:17.42 | project2501a | i want to cry |
| 07:17.47 | project2501a | the mongodb source is a mess :( |
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| 07:19.30 | opakavic | i need help with exporting java path |
| 07:19.52 | project2501a | apt-get remove java |
| 07:19.55 | project2501a | problem solved! |
| 07:20.25 | opakavic | i downloded 1.6 version java JDK and i installed it, i added path to /etc/profile but its not working |
| 07:20.47 | opakavic | project2501a: o_O |
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| 07:22.09 | opakavic | i tried lots and lots of time, its not working :( |
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| 07:32.15 | wols | Amarande: a linux system must have a MTA. you can replace exim, but not really remove the system wide MTA |
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| 07:34.28 | Amarande | yay, now that's dominating. a 370 point GNOME Tali game managing to successfully score in EVERY category. |
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| 07:39.35 | opakavic | project2501a: i made it, :P |
| 07:39.40 | opakavic | bye |
| 07:39.47 | colton | I can't get the gettimeofday() function to operate correctly. any help? |
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| 07:40.24 | dios_mio | do i just edit /etc/resolv.conf if I want to change my DNS server to the google DNS servers? |
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| 07:43.20 | wols | dios_mio: yes. however if you ues DHCP everytime you get a new lease it might get overwritten |
| 07:43.29 | wols | by your router's DNS |
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| 07:47.30 | dios_mio | wols: now i edited the interfaces file to get a static ip.. how do i make it applied without rebooting? |
| 07:48.26 | cahoot | just restart networking? |
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| 07:49.28 | kerx | Anyone familiar with openSSH and one time password's generated with some sort of hardware Dongle ? |
| 07:50.39 | N3tw0rK | dios_mio: ifdown -a && ifup -a |
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| 07:51.32 | nooper | lol dongle |
| 07:51.54 | N3tw0rK | kerx: you mean like like RSA? |
| 07:52.01 | colton | I have a c++ question |
| 07:52.03 | kerx | N3tw0rK, yea exactly |
| 07:52.09 | colton | join #programming |
| 07:52.14 | kerx | RSA SecurID is very very very expensive.... |
| 07:52.43 | kerx | I'm trying to figure out if there is open source variant... Something that I can generate OTP's using a Dongle and use that to authenticate w/ a remote SSH server |
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| 07:53.01 | kerx | ^ That's my ideal situation, however I'm open to other situations on strong factor authentication |
| 07:53.04 | ravenbird | kerx: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:53.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 07:53.14 | Chevelle | hi |
| 07:53.14 | kerx | ravenbird, huh? |
| 07:53.16 | ravenbird | kerx: no idea |
| 07:53.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | kerx: ravenbird is a bot |
| 07:53.24 | kerx | ahh |
| 07:53.26 | kerx | lol |
| 07:53.33 | kerx | what was the keyword? |
| 07:53.44 | kerx | other situations? |
| 07:53.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | the ^ i thinkm |
| 07:54.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^dpkg |
| 07:54.00 | kerx | ^ |
| 07:54.02 | ravenbird | dpkg is a bot in #debian-bots. a useful system administration tool. |
| 07:54.05 | kerx | ahhh |
| 07:54.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | yup. ^. |
| 07:54.10 | kerx | ^ you are nuts |
| 07:54.12 | ravenbird | kerx: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:54.14 | kerx | hehe |
| 07:54.39 | N3tw0rK | kerx: i havnt found anything OS but i would benifit from it as well |
| 07:54.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyway. bbl |
| 07:55.06 | kerx | N3tw0rK, yea.. I think lots of us would. RSA SecurID is very expensive :-( |
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| 07:55.58 | kerx | I guess I could put a ssh key on my USB stick, then use that to authenticate where ever I am |
| 07:56.09 | kerx | However, this wouldn't stop someone from trying to copy my key on the disk |
| 07:56.13 | strk | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 07:56.13 | dpkg | strk: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 07:56.37 | neoice | kerx: I've always considered writing a small phone or web app for making OTPs |
| 07:57.01 | kerx | I've seen this thing called WiKiD |
| 07:57.08 | kerx | http://www.wikidsystems.com/ |
| 07:57.12 | kerx | This is two-factor auth tho |
| 07:57.20 | kerx | neoice, That would work really well... |
| 07:57.24 | strk | http://codepad.org/UqTd1kH7 <--- dpkg doesn't have a clue |
| 07:57.43 | strk | I'm trying to upgrade to squeeze (on abrupt hint) from lenny |
| 07:58.16 | neoice | kerx: yeah, its a nice idea, but I lack the code skills and I dont feel comfortable designing a crypto system |
| 07:58.27 | strk | any help would be highly appreciated (spent all saturdary trying to recover a broken machine) |
| 07:58.34 | kerx | well, if someone figures out the URL that you use to generate those on your phone |
| 07:58.37 | kerx | That would be pretty dangerous |
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| 07:59.20 | neoice | kerx: yeah, I think just a phone app would be better. use preshared keys or something |
| 07:59.36 | kerx | Ah, that would work perfectly |
| 08:00.15 | neoice | I myself just use sshkeys only. works well. occasionally have to ssh into a friend's machine and then ssh again using my key |
| 08:00.32 | kerx | neoice, My problem is, I have to trust no-one |
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| 08:00.36 | kerx | Not even that friend! |
| 08:00.59 | neoice | then only SSH from hosts you control and can put ssh keys on :P |
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| 08:02.01 | kerx | OK, so imagine this scenario. You have a host called IRONGATE in which you use a password. On IRONGATE you have keys to all your other servers. |
| 08:02.04 | dioz_mio | wols: cahoot: well when I do networking restart it doesnt work.. i had to convert interfaces file back to dhcp then run dhclient manually |
| 08:02.16 | kerx | You goto a friends house, and then you login to IRONGATE using your password. Your friend has a key-logger on his machine. |
| 08:02.17 | kerx | You are done. |
| 08:02.22 | kerx | Get what I mean? |
| 08:02.38 | f3xy | anyone know any terminals in gnome with a decent dbus interface? |
| 08:03.19 | strk | damn, I dropped lots more things now (too tired dammit) |
| 08:03.21 | f3xy | why not just run a vpn? |
| 08:03.53 | neoice | kerx: how does my suggestion not solve that? dont ssh to irongate from your friend's house! |
| 08:03.59 | f3xy | I use openvpn it is laughably easy to use |
| 08:04.04 | neoice | take out your laptop or use your cellphone |
| 08:04.23 | kerx | neoice, Well that's the thing. I'm trying to figure out how to safely do that, and protect against something like a key logger |
| 08:04.28 | kerx | W/out having to take around your laptop |
| 08:04.40 | kerx | So for example a USB Dongle that generates OTP's |
| 08:04.46 | neoice | you can use traditional OTP |
| 08:05.00 | kerx | Like what? |
| 08:05.01 | neoice | you connect to the host in a secure way, generate a file (I think .otp) |
| 08:05.08 | neoice | lemme find it, its in debian |
| 08:05.11 | kerx | K |
| 08:05.17 | kerx | Thanks |
| 08:05.22 | jmarsden | kerx: for the dongle, see something like http://www.aladdin.com/etoken/devices/ng-otp.aspx |
| 08:05.37 | neoice | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libpam-otpw and otpw-bin |
| 08:05.56 | kerx | jmarsden, I was looking at that. Have you used it before? I can't seem to find examples of how to set it up for Linux / OpenSSH |
| 08:06.00 | neoice | so you use this password generator and it makes a list of about 300 sets |
| 08:06.06 | neoice | and then you keep that list with you |
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| 08:06.21 | neoice | and when you log in it says something like 'give me 134 175 19' |
| 08:06.43 | kerx | Ahhhh |
| 08:06.44 | jmarsden | kerx: No, I've not used it myself. A long time ago I used a onetime pw generator in software, something like OPIE ? |
| 08:06.51 | neoice | not quite as good as realtime generation with a keychain FOB |
| 08:06.58 | kerx | So what I can do is use this Aladdin eToken |
| 08:07.01 | neoice | but it gets the job done |
| 08:07.04 | kerx | And then plug in OTP's into the USB dongle |
| 08:07.10 | kerx | Then when I press the button it generates a OTP for me |
| 08:07.11 | kerx | ? |
| 08:07.42 | neoice | thats how most of them work, but thats not the hard part. |
| 08:07.49 | kerx | What's the hard part? |
| 08:08.06 | neoice | you need a PAM module so the server can 1) ask you for the OTP and 2) verify the OTP. |
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| 08:08.26 | kerx | neoice, Can't I just use what you've mentioned? libpam-otpw ? |
| 08:08.36 | kerx | I can generate for example 100 OTP's and then store 'em on this Aladdin Device |
| 08:08.48 | neoice | thats not quite how it works. |
| 08:08.49 | kerx | When I run out, I just grab another 100 OTP's and store 'em again |
| 08:08.54 | jmarsden | No... the aladding thing is different. |
| 08:08.59 | kerx | What's the Aladdin thing? |
| 08:09.17 | neoice | its a non-trivial problem. consider this question: how do you generate the same key on both sides? |
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| 08:09.29 | kerx | neoice, Not sure? |
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| 08:10.13 | neoice | you need some sort of secret that you use as a seed/salt. that would be on the hardware and the server. (or with otpw, be ~/.otpw and a notecard in your wallet) |
| 08:10.30 | kerx | what's inside the .otpw file? |
| 08:10.40 | kerx | Is that just a list of Password's that can be used only 1 time? |
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| 08:11.36 | kerx | I'm very much a newbie in this subject. That's why I'm seeking help.. I really appreciate your help |
| 08:12.11 | kerx | So for me to accomplish my goal using the Aladdin eToken ng-OTP |
| 08:12.17 | kerx | what would be my steps besides purchasing that dongle? |
| 08:12.18 | jmarsden | See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_password for some basic background. |
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| 08:13.06 | jmarsden | kerx: You'd add its Linux-software into your machine(s) in some way... you'd need to go to their web site, read their fact sheet, etc to learn the details. |
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| 08:13.14 | neoice | kerx: yeah, the wiki page is a good place to start. crypt is very complicated |
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| 08:13.36 | kerx | OK. Got it |
| 08:13.39 | neoice | kerx: here's what otpw-gen says... its kinda neat: http://pastebin.com/m512c43bc |
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| 08:13.53 | grendal_prime | ok this is going to sound stupid..but...im stupid so here it goes. Ive got mgetty set up on a server. and i have a laptop setup to dial into that box. It sees the call picks up then 20 min namer i get an evil ee |
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| 08:14.25 | grendal_prime | sorry that made no sence |
| 08:14.36 | grendal_prime | 20 seconds later i get a hangup. |
| 08:14.52 | kerx | neoice, Having a hard time understanding... |
| 08:14.52 | grendal_prime | logs say the user is "UNKNOWN" |
| 08:14.55 | neoice | kerx: another thing to keep in mind with USB devices. "linux support" rarely means what you think. its USB, so it will "work" in every system. it does not mean that they provide a PAM module or any documentation OR support |
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| 08:15.10 | kerx | neoice, I understand that |
| 08:15.16 | kerx | Aladdin says they support Linux |
| 08:15.21 | kerx | I'm just stumped... |
| 08:15.23 | kerx | I need a solution |
| 08:15.25 | Wintervenom | From the Debian Net Install CD, is it possible to set my MAC address before letting it put the network up and whatnot? |
| 08:15.32 | kerx | I guess I have to learn all these diff. technologies before I pick one |
| 08:15.43 | kerx | I thought something would be available over-the-counter for me |
| 08:15.49 | kerx | Something I can get and setup easily |
| 08:15.50 | kerx | Guess not |
| 08:16.14 | grendal_prime | am i supposed to put into some configureation somewhere that user 'BOB" Has permission to log in remotely? |
| 08:16.38 | kerx | http://code.google.com/p/otpauth/ |
| 08:16.41 | kerx | That looks interesting |
| 08:16.41 | neoice | kerx: not really, because its all hardware vendors. there's not an open source RSA keychain |
| 08:16.49 | strk | trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/syslinux/ethersel.c32', which is also in package syslinux 1:3.31-4 |
| 08:16.55 | therealgalen | where's the file that lets me control what interfaces are managed by network manager? |
| 08:16.58 | strk | Unpacking syslinux-common (from .../syslinux-common_2%3a3.83+dfsg-3_all.deb) ... <-- from this operation |
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| 08:17.21 | neoice | otpw is clearly an open source hacker solution. how is a keychain more secure than a piece of paper? it makes duplication harder, but not theft. |
| 08:17.51 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 08:18.11 | grendal_prime | the keychain is portable but still encrypted |
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| 08:18.32 | dioz_mio | do we need to run grub to write to MBR after editing menu.lst? |
| 08:18.42 | dondelelcaro | neoice: the keychain self destructs if you deal with it improperly |
| 08:18.44 | grendal_prime | you dont have some dork running around with a list of things in his pocket on a piece of paper just waiting to get muged |
| 08:19.11 | neoice | yeah, muggers really care about your password pad. |
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| 08:19.11 | dondelelcaro | neoice: its still not perfect, but its quite a bit beter than a normal key |
| 08:19.21 | neoice | OTP also uses a prefix string that's a secret |
| 08:19.25 | strk | dioz_mio: most likely |
| 08:19.28 | grendal_prime | and you cant revoke a piece of paper on the server side |
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| 08:19.31 | neoice | so even if the password list is stolen, you still need a secret |
| 08:19.36 | neoice | grendal_prime: bullshit. new .otpw |
| 08:19.38 | grendal_prime | thats a biggle |
| 08:19.39 | dioz_mio | strk: what is the command? |
| 08:20.05 | dondelelcaro | neoice: authentication is often about what you know, what you have, and who you are |
| 08:20.06 | kerx | which key can I use that doesn't require me to use there own Management System that costs $15K ? |
| 08:20.07 | neoice | read what otpw-gen outputs when you run it: http://pastebin.com/m512c43bc |
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| 08:21.38 | grendal_prime | i dont have time |
| 08:22.08 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: you ever set up a dialup server via mgetty and ppp? |
| 08:23.03 | grendal_prime | i got the modem answering everything looks great but aparetnly the authentication info is never making it because the logs say the user is "UNKNOWN" |
| 08:23.04 | kerx | for goodness sakes, is there no USB device that can have OTP's stored on it, so I can click a button and get the latest un-used one? |
| 08:24.19 | grendal_prime | DAMN alot of otp haters in da house hehehehe |
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| 08:25.58 | grendal_prime | well guys its been real...its been fun....and you know the rest....gnight. |
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| 08:30.11 | neoice | kerx: again, thats not how it works. if there's a "next" key, whats stopping someone from generating them all? or causing a denial of service by desyncronizing what the server thinks is next and what your key thinks is next |
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| 08:30.50 | jmarsden | kerx: A smartphone could presumably store your OTP list as a text file if you really wanted to do it that way... some have USB connectivity... but you need to understand more how this works before being upset about what does and does not exist. |
| 08:31.33 | jmarsden | Implementing "security" that you do not understand *will* bite you. |
| 08:31.52 | kerx | k. so far i've tested otpauth, and noticed it has an API... it just generates a list of OTP's into an excel sheet |
| 08:32.13 | neoice | otpauth is basically just otpw. |
| 08:32.23 | kerx | if something like this could gen OTP's into a USB dongle, that would have a button to skip through 'em |
| 08:32.28 | kerx | this is what i would want |
| 08:32.32 | neoice | doesnt exist. |
| 08:32.43 | neoice | also, the server doesnt do them sequentially. |
| 08:32.47 | neoice | it asks for them randomly. |
| 08:33.01 | kerx | otpauth asks for them sequentially |
| 08:33.09 | kerx | on there demo |
| 08:33.49 | kerx | neoice, what would you recommend for someone in my shoes? |
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| 08:34.06 | neoice | personally, I'd use otpw and the PAM module |
| 08:34.18 | kerx | and where would you store those otp's? |
| 08:34.22 | neoice | its in Debian, its documented |
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| 08:34.53 | neoice | I'd probably just print them onto a notecard in my wallet or store them on my phone. I could even put them in an encrypted file on phone |
| 08:35.22 | kerx | maybe just store 'em on a encrypted USB data drive? |
| 08:35.25 | kerx | what'dya think? |
| 08:35.29 | neoice | its not an ideal solution, but if you want something like the Navy uses with rsa keychains and fancy stuff, its going to be expensive. |
| 08:35.37 | neoice | *shrug* |
| 08:36.00 | kerx | maybe i can build one myself :) |
| 08:36.01 | neoice | I think you're being selectively paranoid. if you mount that USB drive on an untrusted computer, thats stopping that computer from stealing your otpw list? |
| 08:36.15 | kerx | neoice, exactly, you are right |
| 08:36.27 | kerx | the ideal solution for me, is to have something w/ a LED screen |
| 08:36.28 | neoice | it needs to be physical and/or seperate from the untrusted machine |
| 08:37.01 | jmarsden | kerx: It's called a cellphone. if it runs Java, you can use a java applet on the phone... see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/510 for one idea based on that... |
| 08:37.05 | kerx | These hardware vendors keep it closed-source, very very very annoying |
| 08:37.16 | neoice | thats why I really think the notecard is the best approach. its analog, its not fancy, but it gets the job done and its pretty seure |
| 08:37.49 | kerx | notecard? can you show me |
| 08:38.23 | jmarsden | kerx: Print a notecard containing a pile of one time passwords... carry it in your wallet. And no, he's unlikely to show you his, for obvious reasons :) |
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| 08:38.43 | kerx | heh, c'mon man... show me yours and i'll show you mines :) |
| 08:39.15 | neoice | jmarsden: I actually havent deployed otp past my dev environment. I think rsakeys are sufficient |
| 08:39.55 | neoice | I have one on my phone, my laptop and any box where I have root |
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| 08:40.57 | jmarsden | OK. It's years since I used OTP stuff, but there was a time when I used it "for real". |
| 08:42.11 | jmarsden | I'd think for most people RSA keys with decent passphrases, and booting your "friends" PC from your USB key, *not* using your "friend"s OS, is pretty secure. |
| 08:42.17 | kerx | l |
| 08:42.18 | kerx | err |
| 08:42.40 | kerx | http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKFL1 |
| 08:42.47 | kerx | USB 6 digit LED display :) |
| 08:43.16 | jmarsden | How does that help you? |
| 08:43.25 | kerx | i need to find one like that, that has hard-drive space |
| 08:43.35 | kerx | i need to figure out how to program one |
| 08:43.36 | kerx | :) |
| 08:43.37 | jmarsden | No, you need to understand security. |
| 08:43.47 | kerx | I understand it.... |
| 08:43.57 | kerx | I need OTP's on a removable USB device |
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| 08:44.02 | kerx | I don't have a smart phone |
| 08:44.16 | kerx | If i had something like a stupid iPhone or something I would use that instead |
| 08:44.28 | kerx | i can't afford a $500 phone |
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| 08:45.17 | jmarsden | So how many hours of development time will you put into a homebrew solution, and what is your time worth? if you *need* this level of security, someone above you in the food chain will be able to pay for it. |
| 08:45.40 | kerx | hrmm... |
| 08:46.11 | kerx | what about putting together our own project? we just need to find the device that can make this happen. |
| 08:46.19 | kerx | we'd have lots of followers, who would love to save $15K |
| 08:46.22 | colton | I have a program where I need millisecond resolution in order to profile a function I've written. What methods are there to do this? |
| 08:46.23 | jmarsden | I can understand reluctance to spend $15K on a solution... but unwillingness to spend $500 suggests you have not thought this through. |
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| 08:46.38 | kerx | Well, sure I can chip out $500 for a phone |
| 08:46.44 | kerx | Or even say $300 |
| 08:46.56 | kerx | Maybe we can work on something that would help the community ? |
| 08:47.15 | kerx | Create an open source proiject, then work w/ a hardware vendor that can ship out USB dongles like that, that can work w/ open source software |
| 08:47.16 | jmarsden | If you know enough to do that, go for it :) |
| 08:48.05 | kerx | Right... I think all it requires is a vendor that can make these USB dongles |
| 08:48.15 | kerx | I'm really surprised how no one makes these |
| 08:48.25 | kerx | Open source ones |
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| 09:40.27 | omps | hi all |
| 09:41.00 | omps | i was just wondering if there is this freenode project then why there is another debian irc server |
| 09:41.47 | ivers | Refrase your question. |
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| 10:02.38 | Selveste1 | ivers: i think he means y there is a irc.debian.org when al support is here on freenode :) |
| 10:04.36 | osfd | Hi guys, how do I change my windows manager. I just compiled e16 and now I wanna use it...plese |
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| 10:05.33 | Selveste1 | osfd: log out, and then set session to you new manager |
| 10:05.52 | tensorpudding | osfd: you can add it to your ~/.xsession if you are using xdm or somesuch |
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| 10:06.09 | osfd | I run kde... |
| 10:06.28 | streuner_ | and you are using kdm? |
| 10:06.42 | osfd | streuner_: I guess yes |
| 10:06.55 | streuner_ | osfd: it starts auto, when you are booting? |
| 10:07.02 | streuner_ | KDE*? |
| 10:07.24 | osfd | streuner_: yes it does |
| 10:07.41 | osfd | (After login...) |
| 10:08.00 | streuner_ | osfd: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:08.21 | streuner_ | osfd: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 10:08.50 | osfd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.18 | streuner_ | and read /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian, there should be an entry HOW to start e16 |
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| 10:11.02 | osfd | streuner_: unfortunately no... |
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| 10:12.17 | streuner_ | osfd: well, in .xsession you need usually an entry like "exec gnome-session or exec startkde"... |
| 10:12.32 | streuner_ | dunno about e16 off hand |
| 10:14.35 | osfd | no .xsession file in my home disrectory... |
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| 10:15.04 | streuner_ | create it with "touch" |
| 10:15.15 | streuner_ | it should be "Exec=enlightenment" |
| 10:15.16 | osfd | touch .xsession ? |
| 10:15.26 | streuner_ | yes |
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| 10:15.54 | streuner_ | in /home/<user> |
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| 10:17.22 | Backup | http://pastebin.com/m711bca14 if i put than in a file and make it executable, will it work? |
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| 10:21.20 | streuner_ | iptables rules or you want know where to put that script via booting-process? |
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| 10:22.19 | Backup | i wanna add them to iptables |
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| 10:22.33 | streuner_ | in case of b), just take a look into /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example |
| 10:22.41 | Backup | you see im on a remote box, and i wont want to lock my self out so im putting it in a script |
| 10:23.07 | Backup | i just wanna make sure this will work before i add them |
| 10:23.48 | streuner_ | well, thats a nifty question |
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| 10:24.20 | streuner_ | some people just have a "backdoor" when all things went wrong (remote) |
| 10:24.58 | streuner_ | Backup: i think, there is an entry in debian-adminsitration website, you really should read that first |
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| 10:33.57 | valium | hi all - is it possible to give a regular user root permissions via: # usermod -G root useraccount |
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| 10:34.53 | Backup | i think it will work tho |
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| 10:35.17 | Backup | the script should allow all outgoing drop forward and incoming, and allow incomming port 420 and imcp |
| 10:37.11 | mozzz | sorry, my I ask an off-topic? |
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| 10:37.38 | mozzz | in order to burn a 7 gigabyte dvd, do I need a particular dvd? |
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| 10:39.09 | Selveste1 | mozzz: you need a Dual-layer DVD and as I recall it can contane 7.4 GB |
| 10:40.04 | mozzz | Selveste1, dual layer is the disk or the burner? |
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| 10:52.37 | valium | mozz - both |
| 10:52.54 | valium | mozz - you need a dual layer DVD burner and a Dual layer DVD |
| 10:53.15 | nsadmin | well either can be either, but you need both to make it work |
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| 10:53.45 | nsadmin | if you have dual layer media but single layer drive, only burn or play single layer |
| 10:53.56 | valium | mozz - k3b is a pretty good DVD/CD burning app you should also look at |
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| 11:07.12 | Rahim | i am using xfce4 on Debianlenny. When i click on Quit Menu, the Log Off button is active while "Shut Down/Restart" options are greyed out. My user is member of these groups "dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev". So which group should i add myself to get those shut down option? "Power" group is not there in Debian |
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| 11:08.37 | nsadmin | look at the code that produces the button and see how it decides |
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| 11:09.22 | Rahim | nsadmin: sorry sir, i am not that adbanced to look into some codes :) |
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| 11:11.00 | smhar | these are my groups and I never had a problem: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 11:11.33 | nsadmin | so he's not in powerdev |
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| 11:12.27 | Rahim | smhar: i just tried addding my self to powerdev, but it says that group does not exist :( |
| 11:12.35 | ivers | Rahim: sure gdm allows it |
| 11:13.06 | Rahim | ivers: i gad to log out first to gdm and then shutdown from there :( |
| 11:13.33 | bzrk | try adding yourself to staff or gdm group |
| 11:13.57 | ivers | like bzrk said |
| 11:14.09 | Rahim | ok |
| 11:14.11 | Rahim | let me see |
| 11:14.25 | bzrk | could be hal as well |
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| 11:16.10 | smhar | it probably is a security option -somewhere- not to allow 'normal' users to shutdown/reboot. only root can. I had a similar issue with sshing to a server as root. I had to log first as a normal user then su to root |
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| 11:16.36 | ivers | smhar: strange thing I have this default install here where I'm able as a user |
| 11:16.45 | bzrk | in gnome there is polkit-gnome-authorization where you can add your user too, that cuold work for xfce as well |
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| 11:18.18 | smhar | ivers, me too, now, I am talking about another installation sometime ago, after adding some security related packages to strengthen the security of the server |
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| 11:19.49 | Rahim | sorry, but adding mysef to "gdm" and logginf off and re-login to my xfce session, still those options are inactive :( |
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| 11:21.56 | smhar | what debian are you using? are you using xfce from repo? |
| 11:22.17 | Rahim | smhar: tes, debian lenny, xfce 4.4 from repo |
| 11:22.52 | smhar | Rahim, lenny is stable |
| 11:23.24 | Rahim | smhar: yes, so whats your point? |
| 11:23.51 | smhar | I thought you said testing, as in testing :-) |
| 11:24.17 | Rahim | smhar: oh :D |
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| 11:24.40 | smhar | the only lenny I have right now is my server with no X at all, so I can not test this. but in squeeze it is ok with just the groups I mentioned |
| 11:24.44 | Rahim | smhar: my intel on-board crd doesnt play well with testing packages (constant freezes) |
| 11:25.04 | Rahim | smhar: once more plz |
| 11:25.08 | Rahim | those groups |
| 11:25.15 | babilen | Rahim: Try a newer kernel from backports. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 11:25.21 | smhar | dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 11:25.30 | themill | !desktop groups |
| 11:25.30 | dpkg | The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (usb disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>. |
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| 11:27.04 | Rahim | but 'powerdev' is not in lenny |
| 11:27.10 | smhar | I think I should remove the floppy group, as the notebook has no floppy at all :-) |
| 11:27.28 | Rahim | i just checked /etc/group file |
| 11:27.34 | themill | it should be |
| 11:27.54 | smhar | Rahim, you may be missing some power related packages that create the group |
| 11:28.11 | Rahim | smhar: any idea of those packages? |
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| 11:28.31 | smhar | no, I have plenty of them |
| 11:28.33 | ivers | smhar: I'm using a netbook, and if you choose the "Laptop" repository while installing you will be able to shut down as a user |
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| 11:29.31 | smhar | ivers, I am ok with shutdowns it is Rahim's problem |
| 11:30.15 | ivers | :) |
| 11:30.33 | themill | Rahim: both hal and powersaved should have create that group on postinst |
| 11:31.08 | smhar | Rahim, here you go |
| 11:31.26 | Rahim | themill: but it hasnt i suppose |
| 11:32.19 | Rahim | hey i just cjeked in synaptics, hal packge is not installed |
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| 11:32.49 | Rahim | while linhal1 and libhalstorage are installed |
| 11:32.52 | themill | that's an impressive effort... there's normally something that drags it in |
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| 11:33.13 | Rahim | i used debian netinstall cd |
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| 11:33.28 | themill | that doesn't matter, the installer is identical on each cd |
| 11:33.56 | Rahim | ok, installing hal and saw some ppowerpackage |
| 11:33.59 | Rahim | let me see |
| 11:34.10 | wols | as are the package dependencies |
| 11:34.59 | Rahim | ok powerdev group is created |
| 11:35.14 | Rahim | let me logg off now |
| 11:35.17 | Rahim | thanks to all |
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| 11:41.53 | smhar | I have a problem with apache's virtual host if some one has an experience with it. I have installed apache2, mysql-server, php and phpmyadmin on my squeeze notebook. with a lot of help from good people on #debian it finally worked. I then created a couple of VirtualHosts and nothing works. |
| 11:42.08 | wejick | hello, can someone provide me email of pysychace dev? info at it's site dont work for me |
| 11:42.37 | wejick | smhar, what problem u get? |
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| 11:43.17 | smhar | wejick, http://paste.debian.net/58979/ |
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| 11:44.14 | smhar | #apache said thank debian for any problem with apache :-) |
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| 11:45.00 | wejick | smhar, try to go debian-administration.org |
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| 11:45.38 | smhar | wejick, this is the page I followed to do it: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
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| 11:48.10 | themill | smhar: how enlightened of #apache.... that looks more like changes between apache2.0 and apache2.2 in the way vhosts are declared |
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| 11:50.37 | wejick | smhar, ah i can't open deb*-admin*.org |
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| 11:50.59 | smhar | themill, I am used to listening to such comments when in a channel -or forum- of a program and they ask what distro are you running it on and when I say debian, they say ohhh of course :-) which I find funny and relaxing, although irritating because it does not solve my problems |
| 11:51.03 | themill | smhar: you might like to look at comment #62 on the page you gave us the URL of |
| 11:52.12 | themill | smhar: yeah, it seems that #apache still neither understands nor likes debian's config file layout. They seem to prefer editing files that are thousands of lines long all the time and not being able to have the package manager sanely deal with adding new modules etc. |
| 11:52.46 | wejick | themill, agree with you |
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| 11:56.20 | wejick | smhar, try another tutorial is not bad idea. just to compare |
| 11:56.28 | themill | !tutorials |
| 11:56.28 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 11:56.39 | triple_xxx | Ok today is the day... I want to load debian on my laptop good idea or bad idea |
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| 11:57.10 | streuner_ | in general a good idea? |
| 11:57.10 | babilen | triple_xxx: good idea - have fun |
| 11:57.20 | streuner_ | What do you expect in #debian? |
| 11:57.27 | wejick | but tutorial is a good start to know anythig. its work for me |
| 11:57.36 | babilen | !tell triple_xxx -about ig |
| 11:57.39 | triple_xxx | installed archlinux already want to play with debian |
| 11:57.56 | triple_xxx | !~ig |
| 11:58.06 | triple_xxx | !ig |
| 11:58.06 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 11:58.19 | streuner_ | triple_ look at linux-laptop.net, there are trics and issues about each distro... |
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| 11:58.59 | streuner_ | triple_xxx: ^^^ |
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| 11:59.12 | streuner_ | !laptop |
| 11:59.12 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 11:59.20 | triple_xxx | babilen: didn't know you could do that sorry I use irssi hard to get used to all these screen options tx :) |
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| 11:59.58 | babilen | triple_xxx: I would recommend using the netinstall CD, but you might want to check first if your NIC or wireless adaptor is supported by the kernel in lenny. If not you can download a lenny netinstall image with a newer kernel. |
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| 12:00.40 | babilen | triple_xxx: Are you running linux right now? Do you have a tool named 'lspci' ? If yes, paste the output of 'lspci -nn' and we can check if your NIC/wireless adaptor is supported |
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| 12:00.41 | triple_xxx | babilen: ran both ubuntu and Linux Mint on the laptop hope so :) |
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| 12:01.31 | triple_xxx | babilen: already installed archlinux trust me I know about cli already |
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| 12:02.21 | triple_xxx | babilen: I usually do this for my nvidia card lspci | grep nvidia -i -m 20 |
| 12:02.22 | babilen | triple_xxx: That knowledge won't help you if you can't install any software. But you can also just try it :-) |
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| 12:03.04 | triple_xxx | babilen: bash commands are no big deal to me :) |
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| 12:03.22 | babilen | triple_xxx: That is *not* the point |
| 12:04.03 | babilen | triple_xxx: But pray continue. It will probably work and we can solve problems as they appear. Have fun |
| 12:04.03 | triple_xxx | babilen: I know you want me to check the hardware hold on I am putting a live linux mint cd now |
| 12:04.36 | themill | triple_xxx: your blithering on hasn't actually provided the information we were hoping to see. We know who you are and what your background is already as you've been in #d for a while now. |
| 12:05.21 | triple_xxx | themill: tx will have the info in a second |
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| 12:05.38 | triple_xxx | livecd takes a min... :) |
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| 12:07.45 | triple_xxx | laptop aspire 5520 athlon 64x2 Dual Core processor nvidia geforce 7000m |
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| 12:10.38 | triple_xxx | Nvidia coroporation c67 (Geforce 7000m) this what you want |
| 12:11.02 | streuner_ | scroll up and read what we told you |
| 12:12.07 | streuner_ | <babilen> triple_xxx: Are you running linux right now? Do you have a tool named 'lspci' ? If yes, paste the output of 'lspci -nn' and we can check if your NIC/wireless adaptor is supported |
| 12:12.31 | triple_xxx | hold on |
| 12:12.36 | themill | dpkg: tell triple_xxx about paste |
| 12:13.01 | triple_xxx | dont have irc loaded on that computer |
| 12:13.31 | streuner_ | ok, just type the output for the wireless nic |
| 12:13.31 | triple_xxx | is there a website I can just connect to irc??? |
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| 12:14.52 | babilen | triple_xxx: How do you plan to connect to the internet during install? Wired or wireless? |
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| 12:15.19 | triple_xxx | babilen: wireless |
| 12:15.41 | babilen | triple_xxx: Is the network encrypted? |
| 12:15.42 | CooPs89 | are there some program that starts a forked process just like using "&" does? |
| 12:16.13 | triple_xxx | babilen: no this is a home computer |
| 12:16.39 | triple_xxx | babilen: theres no topsecret info here |
| 12:16.40 | triple_xxx | lol |
| 12:16.44 | streuner_ | triple_xxx: and the router use WPA or WEP or nothing at all? |
| 12:17.01 | babilen | triple_xxx: Ok, paste the pciis (the alphanumerical identifier in [....]) for your wireless adaptor (lspci -nn) |
| 12:17.12 | triple_xxx | streuner_: nothing at all I told you there is nothing on this computer top secret |
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| 12:17.15 | triple_xxx | lol |
| 12:17.27 | babilen | triple_xxx: Please don't 'lol' |
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| 12:22.09 | mind23 | good morning guys, got a lil question bout ftpd & apache. after adduser i put that user in the group www-data, but still i got no rights to edit or delete files in /var/www |
| 12:22.15 | mind23 | any solutions for this? |
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| 12:22.22 | triple_xxx | be back loaded chatzilla will do rest in a second |
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| 12:23.49 | wols | mind23: who owns /var/www data and what are the permissions? |
| 12:23.52 | triple_xxx | ok on the laptop |
| 12:24.13 | wols | hint: it's bad if the httpd can add/change files there |
| 12:24.33 | mind23 | wols: /var/www owned by www-data with +rwx access |
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| 12:25.44 | triple_xxx | here is my lspci resolutes http://pastebin.com/m68e3417e |
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| 12:25.58 | jarick | mind23: As that user., what does groups(1) say? |
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| 12:26.40 | triple_xxx | here is my lspci resolutes http://pastebin.com/m68e3417e |
| 12:26.56 | mind23 | jarick: www-data ftpprouser |
| 12:26.58 | streuner_ | triple_xxx: the nic is well supported |
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| 12:27.30 | jarick | mind23: And what does touch /var/www/testfile do? |
| 12:27.32 | archboxman | streuner_: I figured that the triple_xxx on his archbox |
| 12:27.55 | streuner_ | triple_xxx: a) you use a newer kernel (NIC is supported by the kernel itself) or b) you use madwifi |
| 12:28.03 | mind23 | jarick: Permission denied |
| 12:28.07 | archboxman | streuner_: Try to stay middle of the road with computer support for laptop |
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| 12:28.28 | jarick | mind23: ls -alh /var/www ? |
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| 12:28.37 | streuner_ | archboxman: just try kmuto's installer or a devel version of Debian |
| 12:28.46 | Threetimes | Hi, i can't download http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/audacity/download via any mirror. |
| 12:28.47 | archboxman | streuner_: Don't use madwifi there has been a driver for the laptop for some time now |
| 12:29.07 | streuner_ | archboxman: what kind of kernel is on that box actually? |
| 12:29.09 | mind23 | jarick: everything owned by www-data |
| 12:29.10 | fuyoh | hye...im new to debian..so, wanna ask, why i cant connect to wpa2 wireless? |
| 12:29.30 | streuner_ | sure |
| 12:29.34 | wols | Threetimes: it's sid. what do you expect? |
| 12:29.38 | mind23 | jarick: exept 2 symlinks but thats okay |
| 12:29.42 | jarick | mind23: As in -rw-rw--- www-data www-data for all files? |
| 12:29.45 | streuner_ | fuyoh: driver issue? |
| 12:29.47 | jarick | Save for the the other files? |
| 12:29.49 | abrotman | Threetimes: aptitude update .. try again |
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| 12:29.51 | archboxman | devel version = is this a stable version or unstable version??? |
| 12:29.58 | mind23 | jarick: yes. thats whats courious for me :S |
| 12:30.06 | Threetimes | wols: anything but a 404... the audacity-data package is just there |
| 12:30.23 | jarick | mind23: What does mount say? |
| 12:30.25 | streuner_ | archboxman: devel version (debian-installer) based on squeeze and packages of sid |
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| 12:30.43 | fuyoh | does anyone know why i cant connect to WPA2 in my lxde? |
| 12:30.45 | themill | Threetimes: it was uploaded as amd64 and perhaps not yet built yet on i386. You should check the pts for such details. |
| 12:30.50 | mind23 | jarick: nothing bout /var/www in there |
| 12:30.50 | streuner_ | archboxman: newer kernel and newer packages |
| 12:31.02 | jarick | mind23: /var or / is mounted rw, I assume? |
| 12:31.03 | Threetimes | themill: what/where is the pts? |
| 12:31.10 | themill | !pts |
| 12:31.10 | dpkg | methinks pts is the Debian "Package Tracking System": http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html a place where you can find the current status and some of the history of a given source package. http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename for information on a specific package |
| 12:31.11 | archboxman | streuner_: this is not a rolling realse correct?? |
| 12:31.18 | jarick | mind23: Also, the superuser can write in there? |
| 12:31.20 | themill | Threetimes: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/audacity.html |
| 12:31.21 | wols | Threetimes: again: it's sid |
| 12:31.48 | mind23 | jarick: no, /var isnt in there but su can write |
| 12:31.51 | Threetimes | themill, wols: thanks! |
| 12:31.51 | streuner_ | archboxman: nope, i dunno if the stable version supports AR5001 off hand |
| 12:32.10 | smhar | themill, ok.. did what comment #62 but still I got an error: http://paste.debian.net/58993/ this is my site's config file: http://paste.debian.net/58996/ |
| 12:32.12 | mind23 | jarick: i can also write with www-data on shell |
| 12:32.18 | archboxman | streuner_: probably not seeing how ubuntu is not a stable version |
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| 12:32.30 | jarick | mind23: Can you paste the output of ls -alh /var/www on some pastebin? |
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| 12:33.23 | themill | smhar: they're only warnings... contig looks sane now, so TIAS |
| 12:33.50 | archboxman | streuner_: witch version causes less headache the 64 or i386??? |
| 12:34.30 | User_007 | Guys, my keyboard problem stay.... i can't use it on X anymore... |
| 12:34.54 | streuner_ | good question |
| 12:34.56 | User_007 | i have tried to reinstall dbus and hal, but the problem stay |
| 12:34.56 | mind23 | jarick: http://pastebin.com/d4e374884 |
| 12:35.31 | archboxman | streuner_: never tried a 64 so I will give it a shot today |
| 12:35.50 | jarick | mind23: Err, where is the . entry? |
| 12:35.57 | jarick | mind23: Also, there are no files in there. |
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| 12:36.13 | jarick | Only directories and symlinks |
| 12:36.30 | smhar | themill, but /var/www/www.drupal6.org/htdocs does exist. and it is owned by www-data. this is not correct. additionally, I am getting Unable to connect in Firefox |
| 12:36.50 | mind23 | jarick: . & .. owned by root // no files, just subfolders with recursive rights |
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| 12:37.18 | jarick | mind23: If . is owned by root, you cannot write a new file in . |
| 12:37.31 | jarick | mind23: Also, can I have a look at one of the subfolders? |
| 12:37.38 | jarick | The SPECIFIC file you are having issues with. |
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| 12:38.39 | archboxman | funny got this joke when I told them at archlinux I was going to load my laptop with debian http://research.pandasecurity.com/blogs/images/debian_openssl.png |
| 12:39.01 | mind23 | jarick: http://pastebin.com/d135ca277 |
| 12:39.03 | archboxman | lol, people are funny |
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| 12:39.40 | archboxman | :) |
| 12:39.58 | jarick | mind23: The GROUP www-data has no write access. |
| 12:40.06 | jarick | was suspecting that. |
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| 12:40.29 | jarick | mind23: Let's test that theory. chmod 640 INSTALL.txt |
| 12:40.38 | jarick | Write as the non superuser. |
| 12:40.47 | abrotman | archboxman: try #debian-offtopic |
| 12:41.00 | jarick | abrotman: OH NO! |
| 12:41.23 | rednammoc | hi. i created a raid and encrypted it with cryptsetup. my root-hd is also encrypted. booting my system causes to display an input-box where i input my passphrase für my root-hd. after that my raid should be decrypted. but it fails with following error message. http://pastebin.com/m3a0525ef . Has anyone an idea what went wrong ? |
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| 12:42.30 | mind23 | jarick: still no rights with ftp |
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| 12:43.03 | User_007 | i done "lshal | grep xkb" but i get no output |
| 12:43.06 | jarick | mind23: Logged into the console? |
| 12:43.14 | mind23 | jarick: yes |
| 12:43.21 | archboxman | do I want The "jigdo" scheme allows you to pick the fastest out of 300 Debian mirrors worldwide for your download. |
| 12:43.50 | streuner_ | jigdo is more when we release, IIRC |
| 12:44.13 | streuner_ | but you can use whatever in order to get that iso |
| 12:44.15 | jarick | mind23: Ehh, strike the last. |
| 12:44.32 | jarick | mind23: You want chmod 660 INSTALL.txt |
| 12:44.38 | streuner_ | archboxman: what kind of iso do you want download, btw? |
| 12:44.41 | adis | newbie here !! i cannot understat the difference between debian packages xorg and xserver-xorg-core (i have alredy see at debian packages but cannot understand). To ask in a different way if install xserver-xorg-core instead of xorg can i have a full functional kde4?? T o be honest the only difference i can understand between two packages is that with xorg X11 enviroment is provided but if someone is intended to install a DE then xserver-xorg- |
| 12:44.42 | adis | core might be a better choice , is that right? |
| 12:44.44 | jarick | I'm going to grab another coffee. |
| 12:45.20 | abrotman | adis: you want the 'xorg' package |
| 12:46.12 | mind23 | jarick: i was using some tut from howtoforge - normally most things work fine for me. this time im confused what i did wrong :S maybe i should reinstall apache & ftpd |
| 12:46.38 | jarick | mind23: No, do a chmod 660 on INSTALL.txt, it should work. |
| 12:46.41 | streuner_ | archboxman: you need a basic system (kernel and some packages), if the kernel doesnt support your NIC very well, you will need kernel-headers too (madwifi) |
| 12:46.44 | jarick | But note that is a horrible configuration. |
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| 12:47.27 | mind23 | jarick: 550 Could not delete INSTALL.txt: Permission denied |
| 12:47.32 | streuner_ | archbx: but if you want stable, you have the choice with kmuto's installer too... (newer kernel) |
| 12:47.34 | adis | abortman: then when the xserver-xorg-core package is used?? |
| 12:47.34 | archboxman | streuner_: got idea need to read Debian wiki |
| 12:47.41 | dutchfish | hi, where can i find the status of simple-ccd in regards to the debian squeeze installer? |
| 12:47.44 | jarick | mind23: Do it from the SHELL, not the ftp server/client. |
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| 12:47.52 | abrotman | adis: that's a different metapackage .. the 'xorg' is the recommended package |
| 12:47.58 | jarick | mind23: Your ftp server may be preventing writes. |
| 12:48.05 | jarick | mind23: Also, what ftp server packages is this? |
| 12:48.08 | abrotman | adis: and if you come here for help with X, someone will ask you if you have the 'xorg' package installed |
| 12:48.20 | mind23 | jarick: is i said i actually CAN edit everything on shell just not on ftp |
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| 12:48.37 | jarick | mind23: On the console, as the user ftp. |
| 12:48.53 | delaman | I have a debian vps, what does it mean if i do "iptables -L" and i get this http://pastebin.com/df555d0c |
| 12:49.10 | mind23 | jarick: another name but yes |
| 12:49.51 | adis | abortman : everythink works fine here only trying to find out differences between the packages becouse in some tutorials i find recommend xserver-xorg-core |
| 12:50.11 | mind23 | jarick: using pure-ftpd |
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| 12:50.38 | znull | delaman : ask your host to add iptables module (on node / in openvz ) |
| 12:50.46 | jarick | mind23: According to the information you have given me, a user who is !www-data and is not a member of www-data cannot write to a file with mode 640 www-data:www-data |
| 12:50.53 | abrotman | adis: those are outdated |
| 12:50.54 | dutchfish | delaman, you prolly running into ipt_owner module required issues, it depends on VPS and how it is made |
| 12:50.57 | jarick | We have now changed this to 660. |
| 12:51.10 | jarick | mind23: Can you su ftp, and modify the file? |
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| 12:51.21 | delaman | dutchfish & znull both thanks |
| 12:51.56 | mind23 | jarick: ah okay now i see the problem ;) |
| 12:52.12 | mind23 | jarick: but why hastn fptd set this up proberly? |
| 12:52.28 | delaman | dutchfish & znull would it be related if I can NOT connect to my mysql remotely? What I wanted to do is "iptables -F" and try to connect to my mysql |
| 12:52.30 | mind23 | never had a problem with that package like this |
| 12:52.42 | jarick | mind23: IIRC, pure might have write access TURNED OFF FOR SECURITY REASONS. Check the configuration file. |
| 12:52.56 | jarick | And note that if you turn it on, silly things may happen. |
| 12:53.04 | dutchfish | delaman, it might so, but also check on which ports mysql is listening |
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| 12:53.20 | mind23 | anyway, thanks jarick! will check this out |
| 12:53.23 | dutchfish | delaman, and on which IPs it is binded to |
| 12:53.49 | delaman | dutchfish: k thanks |
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| 12:54.14 | dutchfish | delaman, ie ps auxww |
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| 12:54.24 | znull | delaman : nothing to do with iptables (Mysql ) reconfigure /etc/my.conf and see skip-networking |
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| 12:55.19 | strk | which linux images are squeeze users using ? |
| 12:55.20 | dutchfish | znull, the host might filter also |
| 12:55.36 | strk | abrotman: I've completed the full-upgrade ... now dealing with all problems introduced... |
| 12:55.52 | babilen | strk: such as? |
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| 12:56.08 | strk | babilen: such as wireless card, udev and gnome |
| 12:56.15 | abrotman | strk: considering the mess you had before .. i'm not surprised |
| 12:56.20 | abrotman | strk: what's wrong with udev and gnome ? |
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| 12:57.00 | znull | dutchfish : possible, but i don't think node/host is filtering ips for clients |
| 12:57.11 | strk | I'm not finding the udev messages in logs |
| 12:57.28 | abrotman | strk: so if you do an `aptitude full-upgrade` .. the upgrade is all done? or something is stuck ? |
| 12:57.29 | strk | oh, maybe these |
| 12:57.43 | dutchfish | znull, true, mor eobvious would be its not enabled on the external ip of the vps |
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| 12:58.10 | strk | nope |
| 12:58.27 | znull | dutchfish : yeah 90 % that's the problem. |
| 12:58.36 | strk | anyway, I'm more concerned about wlan really, then gnome, finally udev (if really a problem) |
| 12:58.40 | dutchfish | delaman, make sure you really want mysql to talk to outisde, its a sceurity issue |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | strk: lspci -nn .. show us the line for the device |
| 12:58.53 | strk | the other scary one was likely related to kernel modules (saying something about lack of .conf files) |
| 12:59.03 | strk | 00:0c.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller [14e4:4301] (rev 02) |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | !tell strk about b43-fwcutter |
| 12:59.22 | strk | abrotman: it "works" with b43legacy, except it mentions the radio kill switch is off (which I can't find on the laptop) |
| 12:59.28 | delaman | dutchfish kk |
| 12:59.32 | abrotman | strk: what kind of laptop is it ? |
| 12:59.32 | strk | I did get the firmware out already |
| 12:59.37 | strk | Asus L5800C |
| 12:59.52 | strk | I've been exchanging some mails with the driver developers |
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| 13:00.13 | abrotman | strk: http://www.zdnet.nl/zd_images/2004/06/040204_asus.jpg .. like that one ? |
| 13:00.30 | strk | they suggested to recompile the module by disabling handling of kill switch notifications |
| 13:00.40 | strk | can't see pictures right now |
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| 13:00.45 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 13:01.14 | abrotman | strk: you don't have any symbols that look like an antenna ? what about a Fn key ? |
| 13:01.26 | strk | nope, none of them |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | has a laptop with a physical switch, and an Fn key |
| 13:02.27 | abrotman | strk: you could try using ndiswrapper until you can figure out the b43 driver |
| 13:02.57 | strk | yeah, it used to work with ndiswrapper indeed |
| 13:02.57 | SpeedyG | hi, I know this is quite much of an off-topic question, but is here anyone from the Vienna Virginia area, could you please /msg me ? :) tia |
| 13:03.08 | strk | but I didn't set that up myself so dunno how to do it again |
| 13:03.27 | strk | but first I'd like to have two kernels installed, just to have a backup in case another one fails (does it make sense?) |
| 13:03.41 | strk | the one I come from was not compatible with the new udev |
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| 13:04.02 | abrotman | SpeedyG: you might want to also try #defocus |
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| 13:04.24 | SpeedyG | thanks abrotman |
| 13:04.26 | strk | I added 2.6.30 |
| 13:04.31 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.35 | strk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.02 | abrotman | strk: what's on the F2 key ? |
| 13:05.08 | strk | nothing on F |
| 13:05.13 | strk | *F2 |
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| 13:05.34 | abrotman | strk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1368106 .. that thread isn't too old |
| 13:06.06 | soczol | hi, i'm seeing some strange hangs with a '2.6.26-2-686' kernel; boxes seem to hang up after a few days (sshd responds with its banner, but hangs when trying to login; trying to execute a command through an already connected session freezes the shell), the weird thing is that this is always happening around "xx:00:00" (as that's the last line I can see from the logs) |
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| 13:06.27 | abrotman | strk: if you 'lsmod | grep b43' .. which ones are loaded ? |
| 13:06.31 | User_007 | anyone have a clue about my x keyboard problem: |
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| 13:06.48 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:06.49 | soczol | this seems to be happening on quite a lot of our boxes, all being pentium 4, other cpu's (intel core) seem to have no such issues, with exactly the same kernel |
| 13:06.58 | Agiofws | can someone tell me whats going on here ? |
| 13:07.00 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/hxZmmKKa |
| 13:07.02 | soczol | anyone ever heard about this before? :o |
| 13:07.08 | dutchfish | soczol, have checked log rotation and the impact on resources? ie big logs etc |
| 13:07.13 | archboxman | tryed to download iso via bittorent didn't connect so used http instead |
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| 13:07.26 | strk | abrotman: right, that's exactly my problem (was, with 2.6.26) now it's the same problem but slghtly different handling by the driver in 2.6.32 |
| 13:07.37 | soczol | dutchfish: no I haven't, but this is happening on fairly idle boxes too |
| 13:07.57 | abrotman | strk: but the wired connection still works ? |
| 13:07.59 | strk | b43legacy 91536 0 |
| 13:08.02 | dutchfish | soczol, yep, still holds true |
| 13:08.09 | strk | abrotman: it did work with 2.6.26, not anymore with 2.6.32 |
| 13:08.10 | themill | Agiofws: check the output of "mount" for "noexec". |
| 13:08.19 | abrotman | strk: what is the wired controller ? |
| 13:08.29 | archboxman | averaging 1.7 mbs a second :) |
| 13:08.35 | strk | with 2.6.26 it seems the driver did force it on via software everytime an 'off' was received |
| 13:08.39 | soczol | also, it works fine if I downgrade the kernel - but then it's prone to a load of exploits, so i'd rather not do that |
| 13:08.40 | dutchfish | soczol, example: i porcess that continously floods the syslog or so might be a course |
| 13:08.43 | strk | 00:0c.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:08.47 | dutchfish | s/porcess/process |
| 13:08.54 | abrotman | strk: wired .. |
| 13:09.07 | abrotman | wonders why the b43 driver doesn't have an option to ignore the kill switch .. |
| 13:09.12 | strk | 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T [Marvell] (rev 12) |
| 13:09.13 | Agiofws | themill, /dev/sda6 on /home type ext3 (rw) ? |
| 13:09.27 | strk | abrotman: that's exactly what I just asked (a module option to ignore that) |
| 13:09.34 | archboxman | Going after debian 5.03 amd64 version |
| 13:09.36 | dutchfish | soczol, anyway in all cases, check log sizes |
| 13:09.42 | abrotman | archboxman: 5.0.4 |
| 13:09.57 | abrotman | archboxman: 5.0.3 is outdated as of a week ago |
| 13:10.01 | dutchfish | soczol, and system resources |
| 13:10.07 | themill | Agiofws: the other obvious things is to look at the permissions on /home/agiofws/Downloads/gant (ls -l /home/agiofws/Downloads/gant) |
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| 13:10.11 | Agiofws | themill, http://codepad.org/JgQRSVDa |
| 13:10.15 | soczol | did that already |
| 13:10.15 | archboxman | abrotman: I can update yes :) |
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| 13:10.20 | strk | uhm, just arried new mail on my wireless thread: rfkill is a hardware lock in the case of broadcom. Software can only read the state. |
| 13:10.25 | soczol | oha nd nice to mention: if i run 'uptime', it seems the clock has frozen |
| 13:10.31 | abrotman | strk: hvae you installed the firmware-linux* packages ? |
| 13:10.37 | soczol | it'll stay at "XX:00:00" |
| 13:10.41 | abrotman | archboxman: i'm aware of that .. but you're going to download twice ? |
| 13:10.48 | strk | ii firmware-linux-free 2.6.32-5 Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kernel |
| 13:10.51 | soczol | running any other process freezes the shell session tho, so not that easy to inspect the box |
| 13:10.51 | archboxman | abrotman: I can upgrade yes :) |
| 13:10.52 | strk | only taht |
| 13:10.58 | abrotman | archboxman: do you speak english? |
| 13:11.00 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/Downloads# ls -ld gant/ |
| 13:11.01 | Agiofws | drwxr-xr-x 4 agiofws agiofws 4096 2010-02-07 14:57 gant/ |
| 13:11.01 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.07 | strk | uhm, should install the firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | strk: the description doesn't mention marvell .. |
| 13:11.22 | strk | marvell ? |
| 13:11.22 | archboxman | abrotman: no big deal just waisting time till Superbowl party :) |
| 13:11.47 | strk | Broadcom you mean ? |
| 13:11.51 | dutchfish | soczol, hard to tell, could be anything from bad hardware to kernel modules for your hardware that mess up |
| 13:12.00 | abrotman | strk: no, i was looking for the wired part |
| 13:12.06 | strk | oh |
| 13:12.09 | strk | that one is working |
| 13:12.14 | abrotman | you said it wasn't! |
| 13:12.18 | strk | when ? |
| 13:12.35 | abrotman | guesses lines got crossed |
| 13:12.38 | strk | ah, I see. sorry, didn't carefully read your question |
| 13:12.48 | strk | wired is fine, wireless isn't |
| 13:12.56 | soczol | on a bunch of different boxes? with different hardware? i really find that hard to believe, although ofc. I can't rule that out |
| 13:12.57 | dutchfish | soczol, a bad bios might also be a reason or wrong power save settings |
| 13:13.02 | abrotman | strk: concentrate on ndiswrapper i guess |
| 13:13.05 | strk | except my wires are too old and crunched :) |
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| 13:13.36 | strk | is there an easy-peasy package to help with ndis setup ? |
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| 13:13.41 | dutchfish | soczol, i would start with the logs, kernel log dmesg and the console |
| 13:13.46 | abrotman | !tell strk about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 13:14.22 | dutchfish | soczol, and check cronjobs around that time |
| 13:14.43 | dutchfish | soczol, they might hold a clue |
| 13:15.05 | soczol | thing is that the logs are useless at that point; they simply stop being written to. also I can't run dmesg as that simply freezes the session, and unfortunately do not have access to a console (yet) |
| 13:15.11 | archboxman | I love downloadthemall :) |
| 13:15.49 | strk | ndiswrapper module build fails with 2.6.32 |
| 13:15.54 | archboxman | 684.9 mb file size :) |
| 13:16.04 | dutchfish | soczol, and the box is then completely DOS? or can you still reach the console and use it? |
| 13:16.36 | soczol | I can telnet to SSH, get the banner, but I can't actually make an SSH session; it'll ask for username, password, then freeze |
| 13:16.37 | strk | rebooting with 2.6.30 |
| 13:17.12 | dutchfish | soczol, the boxes are up 2 date? and what kernel exactly? |
| 13:18.03 | soczol | 2.6.26-2-686; linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 13:18.16 | soczol | and yeah, they are fully up-to-date, using lenny |
| 13:18.43 | dutchfish | soczol, are those lamp servers? or completely away form the net? |
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| 13:19.04 | soczol | a few are webservers; some are not |
| 13:19.29 | archboxman | writting iso image 7 mins to go.... and there off... |
| 13:19.30 | dutchfish | soczol, can you reach the console at one of those? |
| 13:19.37 | dutchfish | soczol, so not ssh |
| 13:19.39 | soczol | and on the boxes that are webservers apache does still work (although slow) |
| 13:20.05 | soczol | nope, they're all colocated, i'm setting up a KVM soon but don't have any set up atm |
| 13:20.10 | dutchfish | soczol, what file system do you use on those? |
| 13:20.19 | soczol | ext3 |
| 13:20.32 | kevin__ | I can't reach ftp.fr.debian.org server, do any of you have this problem too ? |
| 13:20.45 | poisonbit | kevin__, yes me too |
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| 13:21.01 | archboxman | time to play xbox360 and wait for disc to burn :) |
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| 13:21.15 | soczol | the only way to make them reachable again appears to be reboot (e.g. power off, power on) |
| 13:21.23 | poisonbit | kevin__, I've changed fr to es as a temp solution |
| 13:21.29 | strk | ok, rebooted. Got the udev issue: it says that /etc/udev/rules.d/60-libsane.rules is obsoleted in that it contains a SYSFS{} specification whereas ATTR{} should be used instead |
| 13:21.46 | soczol | and then they'll work again for ~2-5 days, and then freeze again, always around xx:00:00, where 'xx' is a random hour |
| 13:22.12 | soczol | the only thing those boxes have in common is that they all have pentium 4's |
| 13:22.15 | dutchfish | soczol, have you checked for rootkits (rkhunter)? |
| 13:22.24 | soczol | the boxes that do not freeze have the exact same kernel, but have intel core(2) |
| 13:22.33 | soczol | yeah, i did, do that regularly |
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| 13:22.50 | dutchfish | soczol, what proc is in the boxes that freeze up? |
| 13:22.57 | soczol | as said: pentium 4 |
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| 13:24.13 | dutchfish | soczol, and configured as 2 cores or one? |
| 13:24.25 | kevin__ | poisonbit_, thanks, I'll do that too |
| 13:24.29 | soczol | some have hyperthreading enabled, some disabled |
| 13:24.42 | dutchfish | soczol, does that make a difference? |
| 13:24.45 | soczol | nope |
| 13:25.06 | dutchfish | soczol, how much memmory? |
| 13:25.19 | strk | alright, with 2.6.30 the wireless problem is the same I had with 2.6.26... ENABLED/DISABLED loop |
| 13:25.20 | soczol | 1.5-2GB |
| 13:25.25 | soczol | depending on the boxes |
| 13:25.26 | strk | at least something I recognize |
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| 13:26.06 | dutchfish | soczol, when did thise start, i mean, did it start after a kernel update? |
| 13:26.10 | soczol | yeah |
| 13:26.26 | soczol | 2.6.26 -> 2.6.26 (uh yeah, debian package upgrade I think) |
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| 13:27.23 | archboxman | image successful now to reboot laptop :) |
| 13:27.26 | dutchfish | soczol, i can check this out this week, i have actually simular boxes with 2.6Ghz P4, i have no clue, but i do suspect a kernel problem, or related to the bios |
| 13:27.43 | strk | now on ndiswrapper again, but linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 is not installable :/ |
| 13:28.03 | soczol | okay thanks, appreciated |
| 13:28.14 | soczol | I'll try upgrading one of the boxes to 2.6.30+ and see if that helps |
| 13:28.32 | dutchfish | soczol, can yo check the i486 too? |
| 13:29.49 | soczol | guess I can try that one too yeah |
| 13:30.10 | Agiofws | ok |
| 13:30.12 | soczol | although 686 *should* be ok for p4 |
| 13:30.12 | strk | abrotman: what's the "sane" version of linux that a fresh squeeze would use ? |
| 13:30.15 | Agiofws | themill, |
| 13:30.20 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/Downloads/gant$./gant -f Mygarmi -a auth310 |
| 13:30.20 | Agiofws | /dev/ttyUSB0: No such file or directory |
| 13:30.20 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.34 | Agiofws | do i need something like a serial to usb ? |
| 13:30.36 | Agiofws | thing ? |
| 13:30.51 | archboxman | begining install of debian :) |
| 13:31.26 | dutchfish | soczol, to rule out P4 hyper thread errors, or if you can set in bios no threading try that first |
| 13:31.45 | soczol | already have that on some of the boxes yeah |
| 13:31.50 | soczol | (the bios thing) |
| 13:32.02 | dutchfish | soczol, would you be so kind to pastebin cat /proc/cpuinfo please |
| 13:32.17 | omry|work | my system (lenny with 2.6.26-2-amd64) freezes on me for 20-30 seconds every now and then, when it happens the system load (as shown by uptime) spikes to crazy values), any idea? |
| 13:32.28 | dutchfish | soczol, so i can repeat on the same proc |
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| 13:33.12 | archboxman | Ok burnt image starts out with loading /live/vmlinuz then nothing happens??? what did I do wrong?? |
| 13:33.48 | babilen | archboxman: which image did you download? amd64? |
| 13:34.03 | archboxman | yes amd64 |
| 13:34.19 | soczol | dutchfish: http://pastie.org/813386 |
| 13:34.33 | dutchfish | soczol, thanks |
| 13:35.08 | babilen | archboxman: Should work then. Any errors on one of the other consoles ALT+{1-N} |
| 13:35.37 | strk | omry|work: run top(1) when that happens, to see who's using that much CPU |
| 13:35.58 | dutchfish | soczol, on wednesday i have done the checks |
| 13:36.06 | omry|work | strk, when it happens I can't even move the moust. |
| 13:36.09 | omry|work | mouse. |
| 13:36.11 | archboxman | babilen: this are a bad batch of cd roms may need to use another dvdrw :( |
| 13:36.19 | soczol | okay ;) take your time |
| 13:36.19 | strk | linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-common/arch/x86/Makefile:81: stack |
| 13:36.22 | archboxman | this = these |
| 13:36.26 | babilen | archboxman: alright :-) |
| 13:36.26 | strk | make: *** empty variable name. Stop. |
| 13:36.28 | Agiofws | can someone tell me what modules do i have to have loaded onto linux so i can access /dev/ttyUSB devices please ? |
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| 13:36.49 | strk | omry|work: keep top open |
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| 13:37.08 | dutchfish | soczol, last q, what is in cron.hourly ? |
| 13:37.32 | soczol | just a placeholder |
| 13:37.38 | dutchfish | soczol, ok, good |
| 13:37.38 | soczol | e.g. nothing there |
| 13:38.00 | soczol | and that'd run at xx:17:00 anyways? :D |
| 13:38.08 | soczol | according to /etc/crontab |
| 13:38.14 | dutchfish | soczol, by default yes |
| 13:38.21 | archboxman | think I left those cd's in direct sunlight to long :( |
| 13:38.38 | soczol | it's weird as well, we haven't done anything exotic with these boxes |
| 13:38.39 | soczol | ah well |
| 13:38.46 | soczol | i'll try some 2.6.30 kernel from backports then |
| 13:38.51 | soczol | and one of the 486's |
| 13:39.15 | dutchfish | soczol, if it is kernel, i will find out, if its hardware, then its hard, but i dont believe that now on the info you gave me |
| 13:39.34 | dutchfish | soczol, ok, good luck bughunting |
| 13:39.39 | soczol | thanks, same ;) |
| 13:39.43 | dutchfish | yw |
| 13:39.51 | strk | abrotman: linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-common/arch/x86/Makefile:81: stack protector enabled but no compiler support |
| 13:39.59 | strk | ^^ that's when I try to build the ndiswrapper |
| 13:40.02 | ravenbird | strk: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 13:43.22 | abrotman | strk: never seen that |
| 13:43.23 | dutchfish | soczol, there is a newer kernel 2.6.26-19lenny2 see: http://freshmeat.net/articles/debian-new-linux-2626-packages-fix-several-vulnerabilities-5 |
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| 13:44.46 | soczol | weird, shouldn't it be included in stable then? :o |
| 13:45.11 | dutchfish | soczol, CVE-2009-3228 might be what is causing this |
| 13:45.30 | dutchfish | soczol, have you sec repo in your apt.list ? |
| 13:45.41 | soczol | of course ;) |
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| 13:46.39 | soczol | ah I did have that one |
| 13:46.43 | soczol | sorry |
| 13:46.49 | abrotman | strk: wonder if i can build it here |
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| 13:46.57 | soczol | ii linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-19lenny2 Linux 2.6.26 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 13:47.03 | dutchfish | soczol, ok |
| 13:47.43 | User_007 | guys, when i startx as root i get a "failed to initialize hal", |
| 13:47.44 | strk | abrotman: you meaN ? |
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| 13:48.10 | abrotman | strk: if i can build ndiswrapper |
| 13:49.19 | User_007 | how can i add the keyboard device to hal? |
| 13:49.21 | dutchfish | soczol, do you have kvm running? |
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| 13:49.33 | soczol | nope, they are very basic boxes |
| 13:49.38 | dutchfish | soczol, ok |
| 13:49.51 | strk | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/568065 <--- if you give me an url to fetch the new ndiswrapper sources I can try myself |
| 13:50.03 | strk | or you mean with your gcc version on your host ? |
| 13:50.19 | abrotman | strk: except .. it built here |
| 13:50.25 | smhar | ok... apache2 is finally working with 2 virtual hosts, in addition to the default.. thank you all who help me |
| 13:50.34 | strk | which gcc ? and which kernel headers ? |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | strk: gcc -v says gcc version 4.4.3 20100108 (prerelease) (Debian 4.4.2-9) |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | strk: and i'm running the -686 kernel |
| 13:51.19 | strk | gcc (Debian 4.4.2-9) 4.4.3 20100108 (prerelease) .... seems the same |
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| 13:51.36 | strk | abrotman: not the running but the headers the build is using |
| 13:51.38 | soczol | dutchfish: also, if it's of any use, here's an output of 'lshw' on one of those boxes: http://www.pastie.org/813401 |
| 13:51.57 | archboxman | hey put it on dvd and it works :) bad batch of cdrw's |
| 13:51.57 | dutchfish | soczol, ty |
| 13:52.00 | abrotman | strk: you mean you're on the .30 ? |
| 13:52.43 | archboxman | back xbox |
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| 13:54.01 | strk | nope, I'm on 32-trunk |
| 13:54.13 | strk | and usin linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686/ |
| 13:54.29 | strk | does /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper# make # here works for you > |
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| 13:54.48 | strk | ah! |
| 13:54.51 | strk | -> /bin/sh: /newsys/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-common/scripts/gcc-x86_32-has-stack-protector.sh: No such file or directory |
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| 13:55.10 | strk | you on 64bit ? |
| 13:56.12 | abrotman | strk: no .. are you? i said 0-686 |
| 13:56.22 | abrotman | strk: uhm .. wrong .. |
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| 13:56.42 | abrotman | strk: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 13:56.52 | abrotman | you should read the docs we point you at .. they are there for a reason |
| 13:56.56 | archboxman | ok burnt livecd don't see were it gives me the option for install? |
| 13:57.12 | strk | abrotman: that exact command (aptitude, m-a things) just fail here |
| 13:57.28 | abrotman | archboxman: if you had asked, we would have told you that it doesn't |
| 13:57.32 | strk | and seems due to some broken kernel headers |
| 13:57.40 | abrotman | strk: uname -a ? |
| 13:57.42 | abrotman | or -r |
| 13:57.58 | strk | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 13:58.02 | archboxman | ok will read wiki |
| 13:58.15 | abrotman | archboxman: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 13:58.23 | archboxman | enough said ,,,, just dont like small text |
| 13:58.36 | abrotman | archboxman: i386 or amd64 ? |
| 13:59.29 | abrotman | or don't answer .. screw it up again |
| 13:59.48 | abrotman | strk: there must be some other discrepancy .. it works fine here |
| 14:00.11 | strk | eh |
| 14:00.38 | strk | /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.32@ is a danglin link |
| 14:00.41 | strk | must be it |
| 14:02.00 | strk | ah, seems due to my /usr/src/ being a symlink to something else |
| 14:02.06 | strk | so the ../lib path is wrong |
| 14:02.14 | strk | I'd call this a .deb package bug |
| 14:02.34 | strk | the symlink should be absolute |
| 14:02.54 | strk | yeah, fixing the symlink fixes it |
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| 14:03.12 | abrotman | there's probably a missing package that is supposed to create that |
| 14:03.38 | strk | to create what ? |
| 14:03.55 | strk | the symlink *is* created, just pointing to a relative path (../lib) instead of absolute (/usr/lib) |
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| 14:13.20 | wathek | hello all |
| 14:13.30 | ivers | hi |
| 14:13.40 | wathek | where can I find libmp3lame ? I need it for ffmpeg |
| 14:13.49 | wathek | I'm using lenny |
| 14:14.22 | ivers | libtwolame0 |
| 14:14.40 | petemc | wathek: /msg dpkg dmm lenny |
| 14:14.46 | wathek | ok |
| 14:14.50 | wathek | thanks |
| 14:14.54 | petemc | np |
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| 14:17.17 | abrotman | !tell wathek about lame |
| 14:17.19 | abrotman | !tell wathek about dmm |
| 14:17.25 | abrotman | bleh .. /me replicates petemc |
| 14:17.36 | wathek | :p |
| 14:17.42 | wathek | thank you so much |
| 14:17.43 | wathek | :) |
| 14:18.18 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 14:18.40 | Sigur | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.53 | Sigur | uops |
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| 14:25.34 | TomyLobo | is there any advantage of using iceweasel or firefox? |
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| 14:26.01 | abrotman | iceweasel is in debian, firefox is not ? |
| 14:26.07 | TomyLobo | earlier updates etc |
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| 14:26.29 | abrotman | given all the things FF has broken lately .. i'll take iceweasel |
| 14:26.44 | abrotman | IMO "broken" |
| 14:26.51 | TomyLobo | so iceweasel is still 3.5? |
| 14:26.59 | smacnay | I wish iceweasel would not open Nautilus when going to the dir in which downloaded files were stored. Thunar is what I try to use. hmmm |
| 14:27.19 | abrotman | where'd that kevin guy go ... |
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| 14:30.07 | dutchfish | smacnay, about:config view_source.editor.args is what you mean? |
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| 14:30.35 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 14:31.05 | dutchfish | smacnay, forget that, i misread |
| 14:31.09 | upper | hi |
| 14:31.16 | metalfan_ | [Sun Feb 07 06:25:02 2010] [notice] Graceful restart requested, doing restart i found this in the apache2 error logs, but i cant remember restarting the service.... are there circumstences besides package updates where apache is restarted by the system? |
| 14:31.23 | upper | someone in spanish? |
| 14:31.30 | dutchfish | !sp |
| 14:31.31 | dpkg | it has been said that sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 14:31.42 | upper | hola |
| 14:31.52 | dutchfish | sorry, i meant something else |
| 14:32.07 | upper | mm |
| 14:32.08 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:32.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:32.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:32.32 | smacnay | dutchfish, yes - I tried that but forgot the "about" part. |
| 14:32.50 | upper | wherever! I'm installing debian lenny in my old imac g3 |
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| 14:34.12 | smacnay | dutchfish, thanks - for some reason iceweasel is calling nautilus and not thunar. |
| 14:34.38 | upper | the problem is I've tried to install debian in the past and just fine with the instalation. the problem is in the first boot for so reason don't beginn and send me an error messages |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | metalfan_: logrotate |
| 14:34.58 | metalfan_ | ah |
| 14:34.59 | metalfan_ | thx |
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| 14:36.30 | dutchfish | smacnay, i believe you windows manager KDE/gnome has a setting for the default either nautilus or thunar can be choosen, its not an iceweasel configuration i believe |
| 14:36.45 | upper | in this moment is selecting and installing software process |
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| 14:37.05 | upper | any advise about that thing |
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| 14:39.07 | Krisz | hello |
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| 14:45.38 | strk | abrotman: ndiswrapper isn't working either, could you help setting up environment to rebuild the b43legacy module myself ? I want to try something being discussed on the mailing list as a possible fix.... |
| 14:46.11 | Kryll | does anyone know of a good terminal picture vier that doesnt us x |
| 14:46.19 | Krisz | anybod know what is the kernel verion number in debian 5.0? |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | strk: you'd start by getting the source for your current kernel .. |
| 14:46.29 | strk | in particular, I've installed the 2.5.32 sources (trough apt) but I guess I'll need some configurations from the currently runnin kernel to rebuild a module ? |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | Krisz: 2.6.26 by default |
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| 14:46.38 | Krisz | ty abrotman |
| 14:46.41 | abrotman | Kryll: so you want to view pictures as ascii art ?? |
| 14:46.52 | abrotman | strk: it should 'just work' .. |
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| 14:47.16 | strk | abrotman: what should just work ? I don't want to rebuild the whole kernel |
| 14:47.18 | Kryll | no as picture I know that it can be done I just dont dont know what to use |
| 14:47.19 | strk | just the module |
| 14:47.22 | strk | root@xtops:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/drivers/net/wireless/b43legacy# |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | strk: i don't think you have a choice |
| 14:47.31 | strk | no ? |
| 14:47.34 | strk | really ? |
| 14:47.46 | strk | `cmon, module-assistant has been so smart with the ndiswrapper one !! :) |
| 14:48.10 | abrotman | i'm surprised ndiswrapper doesn't work ... though you probably need to blacklist b43 to make it work |
| 14:48.39 | dvs | strk: What Broadcom chipset do you have? |
| 14:48.53 | Kryll | I have used a 2 floppy version with links that dispays pictures just not sure what I need |
| 14:49.05 | abrotman | dvs: the problem is a non-existent kill switch that it thinks is set to off |
| 14:49.06 | dutchfish | Kryll, http://www.svgalib.org/rus/zgv/ |
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| 14:49.15 | dvs | abrotman: oh ok. |
| 14:49.26 | Kryll | ok thanks |
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| 14:55.35 | Ecco | Hi there :-) |
| 14:55.40 | Ecco | I've a brand new debian install |
| 14:55.44 | Ecco | and if I run "nc -l 8080" |
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| 14:55.58 | Ecco | I cannot connect to that debian machine from another host on the same network |
| 14:56.11 | strk | dvs: bcm4303 |
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| 14:56.41 | strk | abrotman: ouch, tried to reboot after blacklisting b43legacy and forcing ndiswrapper load at boottime (/etc/modules) --->> freeze at boot time :/ |
| 14:56.43 | dvs | exotic! |
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| 14:57.03 | strk | I thing recompiling b43legacy with kill switch support off will be my next move |
| 14:57.15 | strk | dvs: it's a broadcom in Asus L5800C laptop |
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| 15:01.23 | abrotman | strk: that doesn't makes sne |
| 15:01.25 | abrotman | sense |
| 15:01.37 | strk | still... shit happens |
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| 15:01.48 | strk | anyway, up to try this hack |
| 15:01.59 | strk | how do I configure the linux source to match what's installed ? |
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| 15:02.52 | AimHere | The installed config file tends to be found in /boot |
| 15:03.31 | strk | AimHere: config-2.6.32-trunk-686, yeah.. it's just a few decades I don't build the kernel :) |
| 15:03.40 | AimHere | Just pick the one from the matching kernel, and slap it in the spot in the kernel tree where the config file goes |
| 15:03.41 | ivers | strk: dont go there, configure it yourself |
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| 15:03.43 | strk | could someone update me on it ? :) |
| 15:03.56 | AimHere | Then configure it yourself afterwards |
| 15:04.01 | strk | ivers: why ? |
| 15:04.05 | ivers | strk: do a lsmod and check out what modules loaded |
| 15:04.08 | strk | AimHere: where does it go? |
| 15:04.08 | AimHere | If there are new options, you'll be asked to do it anwyays |
| 15:04.13 | AimHere | I don't recall |
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| 15:04.16 | ivers | strk: because the orginal config has *EVERYTHING* enabled as modules |
| 15:04.24 | ivers | strk: that would make a shitty kernel = |
| 15:04.29 | AimHere | I think it's .config, but have a look around in there |
| 15:04.35 | strk | ivers: it's fine by me, I don't need to replace the kernel, just rebuild a module in it |
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| 15:04.57 | ivers | ok |
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| 15:05.06 | ivers | but config is /boot/config-2.6-whatever |
| 15:06.04 | strk | goes: cp /boot/config-2.6.32-trunk-686 .config && make oldconfig |
| 15:07.23 | strk | uhm, now I wonder if the compiler used should also match |
| 15:07.44 | strk | is there a way to know which compiler was used to build the currently running kernel ? |
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| 15:11.15 | petemc | strk: cat /proc/version |
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| 15:22.53 | strk | petemc: thanks (gcc version 4.3.4) |
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| 15:23.10 | strk | ouch, I started the build already with gcc (Debian 4.4.2-9) 4.4.3 20100108 (prerelease) |
| 15:23.20 | strk | you think I should restart with the 4.3 one ? |
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| 15:23.51 | petemc | you're building the whole kernel? |
| 15:24.23 | strk | I only need to rebuild a single driver to install in the currently running kernel |
| 15:24.36 | strk | but I'm building the whole tree to have the environment setup for the module build |
| 15:24.52 | strk | (since nobody gave me better suggestions:) |
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| 15:25.13 | petemc | if you want a kernel module to work, it has to be compiled with the same version as the kernel |
| 15:25.26 | earthian | hi, why funambol is not in lenny repo? |
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| 15:27.11 | strk | ok, I'll restart then |
| 15:27.24 | themill | !dbugs 505923 |
| 15:27.30 | dpkg | #505923:W[wnpp] RFP: funambol -- mobile application platform (); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:19:20 UTC [] |
| 15:27.32 | themill | earthian: ^^ |
| 15:28.03 | strk | any idea how to tell the kernel config which compiler to use ? |
| 15:28.35 | strk | make oldconfig HOSTCC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 # didn't work |
| 15:28.49 | themill | dpkg: tell strk about kernep-package |
| 15:28.55 | themill | dpkg: tell strk about kernel-package |
| 15:29.05 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 15:29.05 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 15:30.04 | strk | themill: that way (yes, stupid dpkg told me) should contain the correct configuration including compiler version ? |
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| 15:31.21 | themill | strk: yes, I believe so. Haven't used it for years though. |
| 15:31.51 | strk | uhm, but that's to build a new .deb package for the kernel. I don't think I want to go there |
| 15:32.07 | strk | I really just need to build a single .ko driver for testing if something works or not :) |
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| 15:35.53 | manicman | hi |
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| 15:38.33 | manicman | i had lost a encrypted lvm partition. i restored it with testdisk, but if i now followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=940904, but if i type vgchange -a y <vol group> i get the error message device-mapper: resume ioctl failed: Invalid argument and in dmesg device-mapper: table: 254:8: dm-7 too small for target: start=384, len=13664256, dev_size=14009 is for every device in the vol group... any hints? |
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| 16:01.26 | Kryll | c |
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| 16:03.44 | adis | if install a package using aptitude eg A with the option -R (--without-recommends) what will happen to a future upgrade of A package?? Tthe recomends of package A will be installed during the upgrade or the aptitude will rememer that the package A had been installed with no recommends and not install them?? |
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| 16:04.17 | themill | adis: are you expecting a different answer by asking again? |
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| 16:05.01 | adis | thermir: reading the manual and tring to understand every switch |
| 16:05.04 | wols | anything's possible in a quantum world |
| 16:06.04 | meiskam | anyone have experience with oidentd? -- i'm having trouble getting it to work 100% |
| 16:06.07 | meiskam | i'm binding it to :::113 --- it works fine via ipv4, but doesn't respond via ipv6 |
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| 16:06.51 | strk | damn, the laptop monitor stopped working now. I handled to get it on the LAN and connect to it but I can "see" it slowly dying :'( |
| 16:06.59 | strk | time for a blind backup |
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| 16:07.17 | jarava | hello, is it posible to reset all files / config of a pkg to it's original files / config ? |
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| 16:07.53 | limpio | hi, i lost the partition table, how do i get it back? |
| 16:08.28 | limpio | cfdisk doesn't allow me to get in to partition |
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| 16:12.22 | strk | luckly enough the USB support is live |
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| 16:13.53 | TomyLobo | strk ssh? |
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| 16:14.45 | strk | yes |
| 16:14.48 | User_007 | Hey guys, i really need help now. I have searched in BTS and Google, but i can't find any response: My keyboard stopped working on x. I have tried look in xorg.conf, and i found that hal was managing keyboard now, then i add a keyboard config file, but nothing. |
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| 16:14.56 | TomyLobo | strk how is that "blind" then? :) |
| 16:14.58 | TomyLobo | strk also, most laptops support connecting a regular monitor, have you tried that |
| 16:15.14 | strk | TomyLobo: it wasn't hooked on LAN at boot time |
| 16:15.27 | strk | so it was blind to kill X, log in as root, ifconfig eth0 |
| 16:15.41 | TomyLobo | why kill X? ctrl alt f1 |
| 16:15.45 | strk | I don't have an external monitor, moved recently to a new house and don't have all the stuff with me |
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| 16:15.55 | strk | TomyLobo: why keep X anyway :) |
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| 16:16.48 | User_007 | My keyboard, until yesterday, ever worked on X. Yesterday i have done a big update. I'm using squeeze. |
| 16:17.47 | User_007 | It works on command line well, but when i start GDM or startx, it just stop working. Its a ps2 keyboard (my computer is a Notebook.) |
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| 16:18.19 | User_007 | So, please help. |
| 16:18.35 | wols | check your X logs |
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| 16:18.48 | TomyLobo | stopped working means it does nothing or not what you expect? |
| 16:18.54 | themill | User_007: didn't jelly-home help you solve this yesterday? |
| 16:19.14 | User_007 | x it tried, but it was not solved. |
| 16:19.39 | User_007 | im using a live CD so i have to reboot everytime i want to test some things |
| 16:19.56 | User_007 | ill get my x logs |
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| 16:20.13 | wols | User_007: if you have to reboot everytime you need to learn to use a console based IRC client |
| 16:21.16 | User_007 | im using a wirelles network, i dont know how to conect in command line |
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| 16:22.15 | User_007 | http://pastebin.com/m2490dd28 |
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| 16:22.44 | TDO | small problem with an external seagate drive. Anyone up for the challange? ;) |
| 16:22.51 | TDO | I have googled |
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| 16:22.56 | User_007 | it tells that keyboard is now controlled by hal. |
| 16:23.24 | User_007 | i tried dpkg-reconfigure hal but it have no output neither solved the problem |
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| 16:24.01 | themill | User_007: can you pastebin your Xorg.conf? You seem to have told xorg to not autoconfigure devices using hal at all |
| 16:24.17 | ilembitov | Hi, all. A couple of questions from an Ubuntu switcher. I am about to install Debian from testing iso with XFCE+LXDE. I don't have a wired connection (i'm living in a dorm and i am not stealing somebody's wifi) so I have to be sure that I'll have Internet when I install the system. So the question is, does Debian CD1 include drivers for Intel 5150 wifi/wimax card? And does it have some kind... |
| 16:24.19 | ilembitov | ...of network connection software (wicd, for example)? |
| 16:24.21 | User_007 | yes, it was the last try |
| 16:25.03 | TDO | I am trying to save some files on my sisters computer by using a debian live CD. is there a particular reason it will not accept externa drives and change the ownership of files and only directories? |
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| 16:25.27 | User_007 | http://pastebin.com/m64ada8af |
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| 16:25.43 | User_007 | it was the Xorg.conf |
| 16:25.55 | wols | TDO: no reason. but you need to explain more, much more |
| 16:26.33 | themill | ilembitov: you'll need a newer kernel than the lenny one for that wireless card. Either grab the kmuto install (/msg dpkg kmuto) or install the kernel from backports.org using a usb key after completing the base install (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 16:26.50 | User_007 | i already tried to (Option "AutoAddDevices" "off"), but it was worse. Even mouse stopped working |
| 16:26.57 | wols | themill: intel firmware now included? |
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| 16:27.06 | ilembitov | themill: I am installing from Squeeze iso, which is generated weekly. Not Lenny |
| 16:27.17 | themill | wols: kmuto's installer does, I think. |
| 16:27.18 | TDO | I get this error on the external drive: Read only device (witch I assure you it is not since it work like a charm on my other computer) and whilst chmod on the NTFS filesystem I only get "operation not supported" when it try to chmod files. Works good on directories though |
| 16:27.38 | simonrvn | User_007: this is what i do, so i cn keep my configured devices: (pastebin coming up) |
| 16:27.42 | themill | ilembitov: that should be fine then, but you'll need to firmware for it, I think. /msg dpkg installer firmware |
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| 16:27.55 | wols | TDO: mount it properly then. what filesystem driver do you use to mount it? |
| 16:28.12 | TDO | TDO: I use NTFS |
| 16:28.21 | TDO | wols even |
| 16:28.24 | wols | NTFS is not a filesystem driver |
| 16:28.39 | simonrvn | User_007: http://paste.debian.net/59030 |
| 16:28.44 | simonrvn | can* |
| 16:29.18 | User_007 | aparently i haven't mouse or keyboard xorg drivers anymore |
| 16:29.32 | simonrvn | User_007: read the comments i left in too, they're helpful as to how to get the devices to work automatically. |
| 16:29.44 | simonrvn | with hal/udev/blah |
| 16:29.56 | TDO | wols: so command should not be mount -t ntfs /dev/... /foo/... |
| 16:30.03 | ilembitov | themill: thanks, I found all the infos. the dpkg bot rocks! |
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| 16:30.22 | themill | ilembitov: no worries. Good luck with it |
| 16:31.02 | ilembitov | themill: what kind of USB installer does it mention? It's not unetbootin, right? =) What's the official way of making an USB installation media? |
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| 16:31.14 | wols | TDO: tell the mount command to use a predefined user and mount options. see /msg dpkg vfatrw for examples |
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| 16:32.07 | User_007 | simonrvn: i'll try to reboot and i must come back in few minutes. Bye |
| 16:32.17 | simonrvn | no need to reboot |
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| 16:32.35 | User_007 | yes, i need, im using a live CD |
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| 16:32.44 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, actually you might have to... ah ok |
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| 16:35.54 | JordiGH | Is it possible to bind another key to X zapping? |
| 16:36.25 | JordiGH | C-M-<backspace> is too close to C-M-\ which Emacs uses for indent-region. |
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| 16:36.52 | JordiGH | I've disabled zapping for now, but I would like it. Sometimes I do stupid things to lock up X. |
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| 16:37.02 | ilembitov | How do I make a USB installer out of Squeezy CD1 iso? |
| 16:37.58 | soul-d | mmm i tried installing deb to "external" hd , since i have multiple disks now i choose the disk grub boots of that disk yet i can't find it with root (hdX) |
| 16:38.19 | hayleyw | ilembitov, you google it. wheatoneyeclinic.com |
| 16:38.26 | hayleyw | ilembitov, oops http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 16:38.41 | TDO | wols: thanks, now I'm halfway there :) |
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| 16:39.06 | abrotman | WhoDunIt? |
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| 16:40.04 | TDO | now for the largest part of my conundrum.... when I view if the disk should be r or rw when I type mount, I get it to be rw, but it tells me I can only read from it |
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| 16:41.47 | User_007 | sorry, it didn't worked |
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| 16:42.12 | ilembitov | hayleyw: The manual says I shoud use netinstall or business card iso, but I guess, I can use any iso as long as it fits on my stick, right? |
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| 16:42.56 | abrotman | ilembitov: we encourage using the netinst in general |
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| 16:44.11 | User_007 | sorry, who are the one that helped me last? |
| 16:44.19 | ilembitov_ | abrotman: Why? |
| 16:44.48 | abrotman | ilembitov_: better use of bandwidth for person installing, and person running servers |
| 16:44.48 | DogBoy | cause it's more efficient of resources |
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| 16:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | ilembitov_: unless you're installing to multiple machines or have a slow connection. |
| 16:45.17 | JordiGH | Huh? I tried to apt-get source xserver-xorg, but it chose xorg instead, but this looks like a native package. How do I get the X source to see if they hardwired X zapping? |
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| 16:45.39 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: They didn't. |
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| 16:45.53 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: Okay, how do I bind it to another key? |
| 16:45.57 | cahoot | just enable it in xorg.conf |
| 16:46.09 | ilembitov_ | abrotman: Oh, I see. Sorry, but I think I won't be able to get an Internet connection without a graphical web-browser, since my providers uses a web page for authorization, and something like lynx won't work there |
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| 16:46.42 | abrotman | ilembitov_: well, that's a different problem |
| 16:46.57 | abrotman | ilembitov_: there is maybe w3m on the netinst |
| 16:47.28 | JordiGH | Hmmmm... no, really, where is the X source? |
| 16:47.36 | ehnde | ilembitov: try using a livecd with a graphical desktop |
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| 16:47.59 | simonrvn | User_007: what didn't work? |
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| 16:48.28 | User_007 | simonrvn: keryboard and mouse didnt worked |
| 16:49.11 | simonrvn | pastebin xorg.conf as it is now |
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| 16:49.49 | aeiri | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mozilla-mplayer says that the package is deprecated... is there a replacement package? |
| 16:50.01 | aeiri | i'm on squeeze |
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| 16:50.40 | User_007 | http://debian.pastebin.com/m6605aea0 |
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| 16:51.45 | User_007 | simonrvn: as i told, i don't know why but i dont have xorg keyboard and pointer drivers. |
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| 16:52.23 | abrotman | User_007: did you try moving your xorg.conf aside ? |
| 16:52.30 | User_007 | yes |
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| 16:52.38 | abrotman | User_007: and the 'xorg' package is installed with recommends, correct ? |
| 16:52.46 | User_007 | i think yes.. |
| 16:53.07 | TDO | f NTFS... I'll reformat it to exFAT |
| 16:53.44 | abrotman | User_007: aptitude -r install xorg |
| 16:54.36 | jelly-home | TDO: linux doesn't have a free rw exFAT driver yet |
| 16:54.42 | User_007 | im in a live CD, i dont konw how to conect wireless with Wep on command line |
| 16:55.02 | TDO | *slams his head in the keyboard* |
| 16:55.16 | TDO | because it won't even accept umask=0000 to let me rw on it :S |
| 16:55.34 | User_007 | well, ill reboot and check if xorg is completly installed, just wait. |
| 16:55.47 | jelly-home | !tell TDO about ntfsrw |
| 16:56.26 | abrotman | usergrr |
| 16:56.29 | aeiri | TDO you need to use ntfs-3g |
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| 16:56.35 | TDO | jelly: problem is that I have to use a live version of debian |
| 16:56.47 | jelly-home | because...? |
| 16:56.53 | aeiri | why is that an issue? |
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| 16:57.12 | TDO | it would be sort of counter productive to try and rescue data from a computer by formatting it? |
| 16:57.20 | aeiri | grml is a live debian that has ntfs-3g... im pretty sure most live cds have ntfs-3g by now |
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| 16:57.29 | jelly-home | TDO: you should be able to install the relevant package(s) using a livecd too. |
| 16:57.57 | jelly-home | TDO, aeiri: Debian's official livecd isn't really that useful yet |
| 16:58.13 | aeiri | well then TDO can use grml... grml.org |
| 16:59.02 | aeiri | or systemrescuecd |
| 16:59.04 | aeiri | http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 16:59.09 | aeiri | says ntfs-3g on the front page |
| 16:59.21 | jelly-home | or install ntfsprogs and/or ntfs-3g if he aleady has debian livecd running |
| 16:59.31 | aeiri | that would work too |
| 16:59.47 | aeiri | but for the future a modern live cd would be helpful :) |
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| 17:01.23 | TDO | jelly-home: well. tbh, I think it will go faster for me to download and burn a new live version CD since it's an oooold laptop I'm rescuing and my sister isn't too careful with viruses... But still, I don't understand how I can get to rw from the internal drive that is ntfs and not the external :S |
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| 17:02.19 | aeiri | its probably using the buggier older version of ntfs rw support |
| 17:02.57 | TDO | hmmm |
| 17:03.05 | TDO | seems like it is the HDD that is the problem |
| 17:03.16 | TDO | all of a sudden it tells me I don't have premission in windows either |
| 17:03.31 | aeiri | internal or external? |
| 17:03.37 | jelly-home | TDO: chkdsk it if you didn't unmount it cleanly |
| 17:04.07 | aeiri | if its external, you might have flipped a physical rw switch on accident |
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| 17:04.09 | jhutchins_lt | aeiri: Actually, I believe ntfs-3g is deprecated in favor of mount-ntfs. |
| 17:04.19 | aeiri | jhutchins_lt: really? interesting |
| 17:04.41 | jelly-home | ntfs-3g author seems to be conecntrating on his commercial drivers now |
| 17:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | aeiri: Not sure, it's definitely in transition though. The old ntfs drivers are still around too. |
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| 17:04.59 | jhutchins_lt | aeiri: Some of those are hard coded to read-only. |
| 17:05.14 | aeiri | jhutchins_lt: which one is mount-ntfs? link? |
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| 17:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | aeiri: Sorry, no hard links, just overheard discussions. |
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| 17:05.55 | aeiri | k cool, thanks for the info |
| 17:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | TDO: Anyway, it's probably how you mount it, not trying to set masks - that doesn't seem to work very well. |
| 17:06.22 | jelly-home | aeiri: there's a reference in the ntfsrw factoid |
| 17:06.34 | jhutchins_lt | TDO: Formatting would definitely not be a step toward data recovery. |
| 17:07.06 | jhutchins_lt | TDO: You might want to try systemrescuecd, or some other dedicated disk utility if you have something to recover data _to_. |
| 17:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | aeiri: I think ntfsprogs is the most current. Not positive. |
| 17:07.56 | aeiri | thanks |
| 17:07.58 | TDO | jhutchins_lt: well, the problem is that the disk I can rescue it to is read-only in linux, no matter what way I try to force it to accept me as it's master :S |
| 17:08.25 | jhutchins_lt | TDO: Probably has to do with the utility you're using to mount it and what the mount options are. |
| 17:08.45 | jhutchins_lt | TDO: You _should_ be able to mount it RW even if it's ntfs. |
| 17:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | TDO: You may not be able to mount it so it's user-writable very easily though. |
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| 17:09.47 | wols | TDO: what does "mount" say? how is it mounted there? |
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| 17:09.59 | TDO | wols: it was mounted rw |
| 17:10.06 | wols | so it is mounted rw, not ro |
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| 17:10.31 | wols | and you tried the options from the vfatrw factoid ? |
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| 17:11.11 | TDO | rw,uid=1000,umask=0000 |
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| 17:11.34 | ilembitov | OK, one more question. I found a way to connect to my wifi provider via the WPA2 and not a web interface, so I can use netinstall image. The question is, how do I connect to it manually from console? I have never done this before, so I need a really good manual before I go off-line. Does netinstall have wpa-supplicant? |
| 17:11.42 | wols | and when checking with ls, these options were honored? |
| 17:12.17 | TDO | and now it refuses be umonted.... |
| 17:13.26 | TDO | wols: nope |
| 17:13.31 | TDO | that is the main problem |
| 17:13.42 | TDO | it say it's rw, but it acts ro |
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| 17:14.09 | wols | then the mount program of ntfsprogs is broken I guess |
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| 17:14.26 | wols | e.g it's still in development and not working properly. use ntfs-3g perhaps |
| 17:14.45 | User_007 | abrotman, yes all xorg-related files are installed |
| 17:14.56 | User_007 | s |
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| 17:15.25 | snarkster | Im new to debian, coming from kubuntu. Is there a private package area for pidgin in the debian repos? Id like to get the latest version? |
| 17:15.32 | jelly-home | TDO: you have to change the working directory someplace else from it to umount it |
| 17:16.08 | snarkster | or will i need to compile it myself? |
| 17:16.11 | jelly-home | TDO: what was the exact command you used to mount the fs? |
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| 17:16.28 | TDO | jelly-home: what time? |
| 17:16.29 | jelly-home | judd: versions pidgin |
| 17:16.29 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-backports: 2.6.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.5-2; squeeze: 2.6.5-2 |
| 17:16.54 | snarkster | what command did you use to locate that? |
| 17:16.56 | jelly-home | snarkster: for the 2.6.5 backport, /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 17:17.04 | User_007 | xorg packages are there, even xserver-xorg-kbd is correctly installed, but i cant use keyboard on X |
| 17:17.10 | TDO | I used mount -t ntfs -o uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0000 .... and just mount /dev/... and all between those two |
| 17:17.16 | snarkster | right Im doing the squeeze update now |
| 17:17.33 | snarkster | so Im guessing that itll update it to the most recent. thank you |
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| 17:17.55 | jelly-home | TDO: have you read the ntfsrw factoid dpkg told you about in a private message? |
| 17:18.03 | jolaren | Is there a DEBIAN Server live-cd |
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| 17:18.19 | jelly-home | TDO: mount -t ntfs will use the kernel, readonly driver. Use "ntfsmount" command instead |
| 17:18.39 | TDO | jelly-home: no such command on the debian live cd |
| 17:18.47 | snarkster | what about mount -t ntfs-3g?? isnt that read/write? |
| 17:18.48 | wols | jelly-home: that one isn't just ro anymore |
| 17:18.54 | jelly-home | TDO: install the ntfsprogs package |
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| 17:19.15 | jolaren | Does someone know if its possible to install debian server from live cd? Sorry I'm a total noob |
| 17:19.19 | jelly-home | snarkster: /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 17:19.24 | TDO | apprichiate the help here... but now we have come back to the start again |
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| 17:19.37 | snarkster | ok thanx |
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| 17:19.42 | abrotman | User_007: did you ckeck the logs? |
| 17:19.47 | snarkster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:20.17 | jolaren | I'm trying to boot debian via PXE but I dontk now if there is a version for server cuz i can only find desktop |
| 17:20.24 | jelly-home | snarkster: use no spaces at the beginning of the line |
| 17:20.37 | archboxman | hello |
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| 17:20.57 | jelly-home | jolaren: there is no desktop or server specific installer, one size fits all |
| 17:21.00 | User_007 | abrotman: what logs? Xorg.0? |
| 17:21.09 | snarkster | right ntfs-3g is read/writeable |
| 17:21.17 | jolaren | jelly; Glad to hear that! Thanks |
| 17:21.18 | snarkster | never had any problems with ntfs-3g |
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| 17:21.49 | pflanze | I'm looking for a good way to create a partition table around a partition image: I've got the image file, how to make a disk image out of it, preferably as non-root user? |
| 17:22.15 | wols | you cannot. only root can edit a partition table |
| 17:22.24 | pflanze | (It's for qemu, the kernel won't boot off a disk without a partition table) |
| 17:22.33 | jolaren | jelly-home; and are there any non specific version on a live-cd? |
| 17:22.41 | petemc | pflanze: kpartx, perhaps |
| 17:22.41 | \amethyst | wols: even a partition table in a file rather than on a disk? |
| 17:22.57 | jelly-home | jolaren: livecd is separate from the installer |
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| 17:23.02 | wols | ok, with a virtual disk you can |
| 17:23.19 | jolaren | jelly-home; so you can install server from it, great |
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| 17:23.39 | jelly-home | jolaren: I didn't say that. |
| 17:23.56 | jolaren | jelly-home; so you cannot install from it? cuz I can only boot live-cds of pxe |
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| 17:24.14 | jelly-home | jolaren: the livecd is pretty much basic. Use the installer image to... install. |
| 17:24.24 | jelly-home | !tell jolaren about release notes |
| 17:24.39 | jolaren | jelly-home; I understand but I can only boot live cds from PXE |
| 17:25.53 | jelly-home | jolaren: the release notes should cover the netboot installation |
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| 17:26.42 | \amethyst | pflanze: you should be able to create a new, empty file of the required size, run fdisk on the file to create a partition table, then copy the data into the partition you created |
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| 17:27.34 | \amethyst | pflanze: I believe you'll have to specify cylinder size when running fdisk on a disk image |
| 17:28.32 | pflanze | yes, but I wonder how to know the right disk size; even if I'll create a second empty partition, partitioning tools are notoriously bad regarding partition sizing. |
| 17:28.38 | User_007 | Please, if anyone can help me, i'll be very grateful |
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| 17:29.04 | pflanze | And this also requires root and loop device for copying the image into it afterwards. |
| 17:29.17 | \amethyst | pflanze: you can use dd to copy the image |
| 17:29.24 | pflanze | hm |
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| 17:29.36 | pflanze | interesting idea:) |
| 17:29.39 | \amethyst | make the full disk image slightly larger (big enough for a partition table, and rounded up to your cylinder size) |
| 17:30.14 | pflanze | Can the linux kernel somehow be told that hda is just a partition, no partition table? |
| 17:30.30 | pflanze | (so that I can boot with qemu from it without any fiddling) |
| 17:30.47 | pflanze | also going to check on #qemu |
| 17:30.56 | \amethyst | Linux can use hda as a filesystem |
| 17:31.05 | \amethyst | I'm not sure about grub etc |
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| 17:31.57 | \amethyst | but it's certainly possible to mount /dev/hda as a filesystem, and I see no reason that wouldn't work for the root filesystem either |
| 17:32.00 | pflanze | qemu doesn't use grub |
| 17:32.05 | TDO | with the systemrescuecd thingi, it was much easier... :). |
| 17:32.12 | \amethyst | pflanze: what boot loader are you using? |
| 17:32.12 | TDO | now I'm copying the files smoothly |
| 17:32.18 | pflanze | I know that hda can be used as a partition, but seems not to boot from. |
| 17:32.31 | \amethyst | LILO? syslinux? |
| 17:32.32 | pflanze | qemu has it's own bootloader I think |
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| 17:33.14 | \amethyst | well, it's up to the bootloader |
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| 17:33.37 | pflanze | I'll ask the qemu/kvm people. |
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| 17:33.47 | \amethyst | since it has to be able to find the kernel, load it into memory, and pass it the device for the root filesystem |
| 17:34.00 | \amethyst | or at least the initrd |
| 17:34.13 | pflanze | yes, makes sense. Thanks for the tips so far. |
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| 17:34.40 | EliasAmaral | \amethyst, I tried to do that (using a filesystem without partitions for /) and didn't succeeded in installing a boot loader on it. Maybe there is a special method of installation.. (I tried grub legacy) |
| 17:34.54 | EliasAmaral | then I gave up and created /dev/sda1 :P |
| 17:36.02 | SanjoyDas | Is there some documentation pointing what exactly is stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 17:36.26 | SanjoyDas | Rather what is *supposed* to be stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
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| 17:38.42 | petemc | SanjoyDas: its a directory containing files to support the installation/removal etc of debian packages |
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| 17:39.37 | SanjoyDas | petemc: I get that part. The point is that with thousands of small files the directory gets fragmented, leading to huge delays in installing packages. |
| 17:39.57 | petemc | i hadnt noticed that |
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| 17:40.09 | SanjoyDas | petemc: I was wondering if dpkg could be modified to, say, use some sort of a database. |
| 17:40.22 | SanjoyDas | petemc: What FS do you use? |
| 17:40.33 | \amethyst | pflanze: I was just thinking, you can make a disk image that has only the boot loader, make that hda, and make the filesystem image hdb |
| 17:40.37 | mouseclone | is it possible to install apache2 2.2.14 on Lenny with out issues? Or am I looking at a world of trouble? |
| 17:40.44 | petemc | SanjoyDas: ext3 |
| 17:41.01 | SanjoyDas | petemc: It became a problem when I went from Stable to Testing. Even I use ext3. |
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| 17:41.04 | \amethyst | pflanze: and tell the boot loader to look for the kernel on hdb (as opposed to, say hda1) |
| 17:41.11 | \amethyst | s/, say/&,/ |
| 17:41.12 | User_007 | abrotman: dmesg http://debian.pastebin.com/m51259ea1 , |
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| 17:41.29 | abrotman | i didn't ask for dmesg ... or suggest it .. but whatever |
| 17:41.31 | User_007 | dpkg log of yesterday's upgrade |
| 17:41.31 | dpkg | User_007: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:41.51 | abrotman | User_007: i did ask you if you tried not using that xorg.conf |
| 17:42.02 | WormFood | is sox still the best tool to convert a m4v to an mp3, or is there something better now? |
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| 17:42.19 | abrotman | User_007: why is your kernel not a debian kernel? |
| 17:42.36 | User_007 | sorry abrotman, yes, i tried but it didn't worked |
| 17:42.39 | abrotman | User_007: why is your kernel not a debian kernel? |
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| 17:43.14 | User_007 | well, its a self compiled specific kernel, but every test i run in debian kernels before |
| 17:43.30 | themill | WormFood: I use faad then lame, but that's not out of a position of knowledge about the tools that are available and which ones work well.... that's just the first route I found that worked... |
| 17:43.43 | abrotman | User_007: please use the debian kernel .. we have no idea what you'bve compiled into your kernel |
| 17:44.18 | WormFood | themill, I was thinking lame would be better to generate mp3s, but wasn't sure of the state of sox |
| 17:44.32 | themill | nfc |
| 17:44.33 | User_007 | ok, but as i said, these things didn't worked on debian kernels either. |
| 17:44.53 | TomyLobo | if a package is marked c in aptitude, what does it mean? cached? conflicted? crap? |
| 17:44.54 | abrotman | User_007: that's fine and dandy .. but it eliminates another issue .. i have multiple machines with that kernel and xorg, and they all work fine |
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| 17:45.20 | abrotman | User_007: you probably should install a text IRC client like irssi .. then you can IRC from the machine while trying stuff and getting us informaiton |
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| 17:45.54 | WormFood | themill, follow up from a day or two ago.... I think I figured out my time problem, with the superblock saying it is in the future, then doing a long fsck....debian defaults to local time, and I thought it was in utc time...now I set debian to use utc in the hardware clock, and expect that to fix everything. |
| 17:46.10 | User_007 | abrotman ok, but how can i connect into a wirelles with wep connection this way? |
| 17:46.43 | themill | WormFood: I've never seen debian default to localtime before, but there is an installer question about that in expert mode, I think. Glad that's sorted now. |
| 17:46.47 | abrotman | User_007: man iwconfig & man interfaces .. it's pretty simple |
| 17:47.06 | User_007 | ok, ill try next |
| 17:47.15 | WormFood | themill, I just installed a new copy of debian testing 64-bit, and it sure did default to local time. |
| 17:47.17 | User_007 | but is there any clue about the problem? |
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| 17:47.52 | themill | WormFood: surely not. That's just plain weird. Unless it does that if it detects that windoze is on the same machine so you'll be dual booting. (is that true?) |
| 17:48.16 | TomyLobo | if a package is marked c for "config files present" in aptitude, why does it prevent me from installing the package? |
| 17:48.24 | WormFood | themill, perhaps...I always install winblows first, and I do have windows on the hard drive (but I rarely boot into it) |
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| 17:48.43 | WormFood | so, if it detects winblows it will default the clock to local time, and if it does not, it will default to utc? |
| 17:49.02 | abrotman | User_007: the kernel detects your keyboard |
| 17:49.06 | themill | WormFood: if you feel inspired, perhaps test it that installer again without windoze installed to see if that's the case. |
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| 17:50.56 | User_007 | abrotman: ok, ill try, do you sugest 2.6.32_trunk? |
| 17:51.15 | User_007 | suggest |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | User_007: no, i suggest linux-image-686 |
| 17:51.58 | User_007 | im amd64 |
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| 17:52.10 | User_007 | so 2.6.30? |
| 17:52.48 | User_007 | (im talking about the squeeze packaged kernels, there are two, .32trunk and .30 |
| 17:53.17 | User_007 | ill try anyway |
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| 18:09.01 | MrWax | what is a good and secure (not google indexed) pastebin? |
| 18:09.09 | jelly-home | use..eh |
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| 18:09.38 | petemc | most have a private option |
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| 18:14.41 | tagada | hi there |
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| 18:21.33 | joaobmatias | hi, my vlc gives sound, but dont gives image, i read some stuff from the internet to try to solve, but it wont work |
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| 18:23.00 | Chevelle | hi |
| 18:23.11 | abrotman | joaobmatias: probably a problem with the video and lack of support for the encoding |
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| 18:25.41 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I have just installed the base system from Debian netinstall. The thing is, I |
| 18:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | joaobmatias: Pretty much every video player for Linux has failed regularly for me - except mplayer, which Just Works. Other people get the other players to work for them, not me. Installing VLC on Debian somehow managed to trash my system - my username got removed from all groups, so I had no wireless or audio among other things. Mplayer installed correctly and Just Worked. |
| 18:26.11 | abrotman | ilembitov: thing is what ? |
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| 18:26.34 | abrotman | joaobmatias: do you know what kind of mjovie it is .. i had a movie (a movie i made) that i couldn't view in VLC at first, but works now |
| 18:26.44 | joaobmatias | jhutchins, humm...i will try the mplayer then |
| 18:26.50 | joaobmatias | abrotman, its .kmv |
| 18:26.54 | joaobmatias | .mkv |
| 18:27.17 | ilembitov | abrotman: sorry, a typo. Well, I'm stuck without a connection to the internet on that system. I have only installed a basic system from netinstall and the wpa_supplicant. And I cant get connected to a WPA2 network |
| 18:27.26 | abrotman | joaobmatias: you could also try the totem/gstreamer with all the bad/ugly plugins |
| 18:27.32 | amphi | mplayer plays matroska fine here; but what's in yours? |
| 18:27.39 | abrotman | !tell ilembitov about wpa |
| 18:27.46 | joaobmatias | abrotman, im going to try then |
| 18:27.56 | amphi | joaobmatias: matroska is just a container |
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| 18:29.30 | Chevelle | i need help with persistence + JPA + GAE |
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| 18:34.22 | joaobmatias | jhutchins, mplayer works fine |
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| 18:37.18 | DEbiansqueeze | im using wireless ath5k i have configured my network/interfaces i connect no problem. my question is what is network manager and do i need it. |
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| 18:37.42 | ivers | No you don't need network manager. |
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| 18:38.15 | DEbiansqueeze | i over complicate things way to much |
| 18:38.24 | ivers | I'm just annoyed by network manager and have excluded my nic from config. |
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| 18:38.42 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: i think we went over this the other day .. you don't need it, but it seems like more and more bits of gnome are interacting with it |
| 18:38.46 | DEbiansqueeze | can it just be removed? |
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| 18:39.03 | ivers | DEbiansqueeze: I'd remove it. |
| 18:39.08 | abrotman | it can be .. but if you haven't set it to manage your interfaces, it should be benign |
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| 18:39.51 | joaobmatias | how can i put in xchat to appear the users of the channel? :x |
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| 18:40.03 | DEbiansqueeze | 'NMSettingWireless' / 'ssid' invalid: 2 i get this in my .xsession-errors seems like its not working anyway |
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| 18:40.06 | joaobmatias | forget, already found it |
| 18:40.19 | abchirk | joaobmatias, strg + F7 |
| 18:40.32 | abchirk | or ctrl + F7 sry |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: if it's not managing your stuff, doesn't matter .. are you running squeeze ? |
| 18:41.00 | DEbiansqueeze | yes |
| 18:41.29 | DEbiansqueeze | when i stop it nothing happens i stay connected |
| 18:41.37 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: grep managed /etc/Network-Manager/nm-system-settings.conf |
| 18:41.40 | abchirk | joaobmatias, or press ctrl + F11 and you'll get your menubar |
| 18:42.12 | joaobmatias | abchirk, thanks |
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| 18:43.54 | DEbiansqueeze | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.21 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: sorry |
| 18:44.25 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: grep managed /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | silly - |
| 18:44.47 | DEbiansqueeze | managed=false |
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| 18:45.14 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: then n-m shouldn't be a concern for you |
| 18:45.28 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:45.48 | DEbiansqueeze | yeah i filled that all out |
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| 18:46.01 | DEbiansqueeze | want to see it? |
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| 18:47.10 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: nope .. that sohuld be enough . |
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| 18:47.54 | DEbiansqueeze | so removing it will be ok.. or should i just leave it alone since is sounds like it will be being used in the future anyway? |
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| 18:51.07 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: or configure it for use now :) |
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| 18:57.47 | paradoxmonkey | Can the SFQ queue be used to divide bandwidth not only per connections but also per computer? e.g. if two computers download something each computer gets half of the bandwidth. |
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| 19:01.11 | dbbolton | how can i find the model number on an IBM motherboard? next to the IBM logo, it says "P6 2001" in large print but that doesn't seem like a model number. |
| 19:01.39 | wols | try cpu-z |
| 19:02.05 | wols | it might show you. at least it should show you the BIOS ID string which is unique for this board too |
| 19:02.21 | wols | oops. mea culpa |
| 19:02.32 | Agiofws | hello |
| 19:02.33 | wols | lshw might show you the BIOS ID |
| 19:02.45 | dbbolton | unfortunately i can't get any video output from it |
| 19:02.48 | Agiofws | in which area in debian to a tell a module to load ? |
| 19:02.55 | Agiofws | rc.local ? |
| 19:03.01 | wols | Agiofws: /etc/modules |
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| 19:10.41 | ma3x | why fdisk -l /dev/sda shows /dev/sda4 9046 12158 25005172+ bf Solaris while parted shows it as ext2 4 74.4GB 100GB 25.6GB primary ext2 |
| 19:11.12 | \amethyst | ma3x: because the partition type label in the partition table doesn't match the actual filesystem |
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| 19:11.38 | \amethyst | ma3x: fdisk only looks at the partition table, while parted actually goes to the partition to detect the filesystem |
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| 19:16.16 | karme | i have a little problem with current squeeze: bluetooth is switched on after every boot (it should remember the setting). hardware: thinkpad laptop |
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| 19:16.53 | karme | first i thought it is bluez fault - but after disabling it, it still happens and now i think it is the kernels fault - any help? |
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| 19:17.30 | User_007 | hello |
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| 19:17.57 | User_007 | abrotman, im on command line irc now |
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| 19:18.18 | abrotman | User_007: now .. i was going ot tell you someting else .. |
| 19:18.26 | abrotman | now i can't remember |
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| 19:18.37 | abrotman | User_007: in your IRC client "/exec -o uname -a" |
| 19:19.03 | User_007 | abrotman have you said that kernel sets the keyboard, |
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| 19:19.21 | abrotman | User_007: i still want to see it |
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| 19:26.09 | User_007 | abrotman, sorry, i have a crash |
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| 19:26.19 | abrotman | User_007: in your IRC client "/exec -o uname -a" |
| 19:26.21 | abrotman | using that ? |
| 19:26.39 | User_007 | Linux Leonardo-Note 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:27.30 | User_007 | im using ircII (the only on squeeze repos) |
| 19:28.08 | User_007 | abrotman, what i must do now? |
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| 19:30.53 | User_007 | abrotman, the kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 come from repositories, automatically |
| 19:31.11 | abrotman | User_007: no, irssi is available and quite good |
| 19:31.17 | abrotman | didn't even know ircII was still around |
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| 19:31.40 | User_007 | wait a sec so, ill try to install it... |
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| 19:33.15 | TheMageSouce | Good day |
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| 19:34.21 | chrono_ | wow, much better irssi |
| 19:34.39 | chrono_ | abrotman, so what i need to do now? |
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| 19:35.09 | abrotman | chrono_: so your keyboard works fine until you start X ? |
| 19:35.24 | abrotman | chrono_: do you have another box to ssh from ? |
| 19:35.25 | chrono_ | yes, i had already told it |
| 19:35.37 | chrono_ | box to ssh? |
| 19:35.52 | abrotman | do you have two computers? could you ssh from the other into the broken one ? |
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| 19:36.14 | chrono_ | oh, no, |
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| 19:36.48 | chrono_ | not right now,.. but can't i fix it here? |
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| 19:38.09 | TheMageSouce | Got a quick question (i hope) i created a different user and runlevel for a different startup and want to use a non default display manager, what is the most easy way to do this? |
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| 19:38.58 | abrotman | chrono_: how do you normally start X ? with GDM/XDM/KDM or with starts ? |
| 19:39.01 | abrotman | startx |
| 19:39.13 | chrono_ | normally, gdm. |
| 19:39.33 | chrono_ | but when i enter gdm, keyboard stops working |
| 19:39.39 | TheMageSouce | i have gdm as default and want to use slim for different runlevel display manager |
| 19:39.58 | chrono_ | even if i startx keyboard stops working |
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| 19:41.08 | abrotman | TheMageSouce: you'd have to write scripts to alter that based on the run level |
| 19:42.02 | chrono_ | abrotman: so what i must do now? |
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| 19:42.18 | abrotman | chrono_: can you switch consoles ? |
| 19:42.21 | TheMageSouce | abrotman: can't i just force use of the display manager? |
| 19:42.28 | abrotman | TheMageSouce: you could try i suppose |
| 19:42.40 | chrono_ | like ctrl+alt+Fn? |
| 19:42.51 | abrotman | chrono_: can you use w3m to put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:42.55 | abrotman | chrono_: yes, like that |
| 19:43.15 | dbbolton | TheMageSouce use sysv-rc-conf to enable the display manager on the runlevel you want and disable the other |
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| 19:44.11 | chrono_ | well, about consoles, i can do ctrl+alt+Fn but they just show a flashing _ |
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| 19:44.22 | TheMageSouce | dbbolton: thanks man, will try it as soon as i have time! |
| 19:44.29 | chrono_ | about w3m, its what? |
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| 19:44.33 | TheMageSouce | have to leave for now.. thanks for the help! |
| 19:44.37 | dbbolton | np |
| 19:45.01 | chrono_ | * about w3m what is that? |
| 19:45.05 | dbbolton | chrono_ have you tried the MagicSysRq key |
| 19:45.22 | chrono_ | MagicSysRq? |
| 19:46.16 | chrono_ | i have a prtsc sysrq key |
| 19:46.28 | dbbolton | chrono_ press Alt+SysRq+r then Alt+SysRq+k |
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| 19:46.54 | dbbolton | then try Ctrl+Alt+F2 |
| 19:47.03 | chrono_ | a |
| 19:47.41 | chrono_ | well, doesnt changed anything |
| 19:47.56 | chrono_ | just a flashing _ |
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| 19:48.28 | chrono_ | wops |
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| 19:53.21 | chrono_ | wow, these sysrq keys made my laptop crash |
| 19:53.57 | chrono_ | abrotman, what i have to do now? |
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| 19:54.52 | abrotman | chrono_: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:55.07 | chrono_ | how to do it on a console? |
| 19:55.43 | dbbolton | chrono_ did you just go around hitting random keys? |
| 19:56.10 | abrotman | chrono_: is it a usb keyboard ? |
| 19:56.17 | chrono_ | dbbolton: no, alt+sysrq+k fucked |
| 19:56.34 | chrono_ | abrotman: no, is a ps2 keyboard, its a laptop |
| 19:56.34 | jelly-home | chrono_: that's what it does. |
| 19:56.44 | jelly-home | !sysrq |
| 19:56.44 | dpkg | from memory, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>. |
| 19:57.04 | abrotman | chrono_: in your IRC client "/exec -o dpkg -l udev libudev0 | tail -2" |
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| 19:57.14 | dbbolton | r lets the kernel reclaim the keyboard, and k only kills processes on the CURRENT virtual console |
| 19:57.42 | chrono_ | Nenhum pacote encontrado casando com usev. |
| 19:57.42 | chrono_ | +++-=======================================-===========================-============================================ |
| 19:57.46 | chrono_ | ii libudev0 150-2 libudev shared library |
| 19:57.58 | chrono_ | ii libudev0 150-2 libudev shared library |
| 19:58.02 | chrono_ | ii udev 150-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 19:58.03 | jelly-home | chrono_: not "usev", "udev" |
| 19:58.08 | jelly-home | right |
| 19:58.16 | abrotman | that was kind of like | tail -2 |
| 19:58.22 | Krisz | I install right now debian lenny, how can i istall the fastest way flash to play youtube and some stuff like that? |
| 19:58.39 | wols | Krisz: /msg dpkg flash |
| 19:58.42 | Krisz | sorry for my bad english |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | !tell Krisz about adobe flash |
| 19:58.55 | abrotman | !tell Krisz about bpo |
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| 19:59.55 | Krisz | what flash are you recommend me guys? |
| 20:00.16 | abrotman | chrono_: if you run 'udevadm trigger' and then start to startx .. what happens ? |
| 20:00.17 | chrono_ | Krisz, i recommend flashplayer-mozilla |
| 20:00.37 | chrono_ | /bin/sh: udevadm: not found |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | Krisz: see what the bot told you |
| 20:01.02 | Krisz | the bot told me gnash and sfwdec |
| 20:01.07 | chrono_ | abrotman: how can i "pause" irc to go console? |
| 20:01.26 | chrono_ | just quiting? |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | chrono_: you don't .. just switch consoles then switch back |
| 20:01.43 | abrotman | if X gets hosed, you'll have to restart anyway |
| 20:02.04 | chrono_ | i cant... consoles just show a flashing _ |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | tells everyone to stop talking until chrono_ returns |
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| 20:02.16 | abrotman | chrono_: ctrl-alt-f4? |
| 20:02.33 | chrono_ | flashing _ |
| 20:02.41 | abrotman | no login at all ? |
| 20:02.45 | chrono_ | no |
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| 20:03.04 | abrotman | so how did you login at the console ? |
| 20:03.12 | chrono_ | single mod |
| 20:03.15 | chrono_ | mode |
| 20:03.19 | abrotman | oh .. that's why |
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| 20:03.38 | abrotman | chrono_: change /etc/X11/default-display-manager from /usr/bin/gdm to /bin/false .. and restart normally |
| 20:03.52 | chrono_ | ok, |
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| 20:06.50 | Devastator | dutchfish hi dutch, how are you? |
| 20:07.51 | macquetero | is really long the debian powerpc |
| 20:07.56 | macquetero | god! |
| 20:08.10 | dutchfish | Devastator, ;) |
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| 20:09.10 | Devastator | dutchfish I just wanna ask if you still experience consolekit bug |
| 20:09.19 | macquetero | I've choosen the expert mode |
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| 20:09.31 | abrotman | why? |
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| 20:10.07 | dutchfish | Devastator, nope, its solved as soon as the newest version it did hit stable (one 1 eek ago or so) thank you very much! |
| 20:10.21 | dutchfish | s/stable/testing |
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| 20:11.02 | dutchfish | Devastator, the latest hal further improved some related issues, they are solved as well |
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| 20:11.26 | macquetero | because a I wanna include the real necesary software |
| 20:11.26 | EvilGuru | I have just updated my Squeeze system. One of the updates was network-manager. However, knetworkmanager is now totally non-functional. How can I downgrade network-manager by 1 version? |
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| 20:12.00 | Devastator | dutchfish my testing is crazy, it's one resolution for login, then another inside X, when I try to shut down, sometimes it shuts down, sometimes it returns to login screen :( |
| 20:12.07 | eshat | Are update-grub problems like "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem." normal at this moment in sid ??? |
| 20:12.33 | eshat | and what happend to grub-emu ? |
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| 20:12.55 | dutchfish | Devastator, are you on 64 bit? |
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| 20:15.40 | los | how do we install NVIDIA drivers in debian? manually or is there a package? |
| 20:16.01 | karme | !nvidia |
| 20:16.01 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:16.10 | Devastator | dutchfish yes |
| 20:16.32 | los | if i install from nvidia's own installer, will that mess up my debian? |
| 20:16.51 | dutchfish | Devastator, so if i understand correctly you have a problem as soon as the resolution of the screen changes after entering login credentials? |
| 20:16.56 | karme | los: debian way is imho better |
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| 20:18.06 | Devastator | dutchfish it starts with 800x600, when I log off it goes to, what I think, correct resolution, then I log in and 800x600 and also shut down problems :( |
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| 20:18.25 | Devastator | dutchfish it did corrected when I updated consolekit, but it's back again.. |
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| 20:18.43 | dutchfish | Devastator, what is the correct resolution? |
| 20:19.01 | Devastator | dutchfish also I experience some "call traces" eventually |
| 20:19.17 | Devastator | dutchfish I think 1024x768 |
| 20:19.19 | dutchfish | Devastator, do you have logs of that? |
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| 20:19.43 | dutchfish | Devastator, 1024x768 is you rnative screen resolution? |
| 20:19.57 | Devastator | dutchfish not right now, I can get it on monday if you want |
| 20:20.08 | Devastator | dutchfish I think it is |
| 20:20.10 | dutchfish | Devastator, yes, that would be helpfull |
| 20:20.29 | Devastator | dutchfish but which logs do you want? |
| 20:20.44 | dutchfish | Devastator, anything you cna get your hands on |
| 20:21.19 | dutchfish | Devastator, you can then pastebin them, i will be on at monday evening my time |
| 20:21.25 | Devastator | dutchfish xorg? |
| 20:21.53 | dutchfish | Devastator, xorg, dmesg, kernel.log, dmidecode's output |
| 20:22.00 | Devastator | ok |
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| 20:23.57 | Devastator | thanks dutchfish |
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| 20:24.03 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 20:24.15 | fezx | what was the package name for development utilities? |
| 20:24.26 | streuner_ | !b-i fezx |
| 20:24.29 | dutchfish | fezx, build-essentials / |
| 20:24.33 | streuner_ | !b-iefezx |
| 20:24.38 | fezx | thanks |
| 20:24.51 | streuner_ | cannot type anymore |
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| 20:30.16 | macquetero | I need that someone tell me something. as you know I'm installing debian in a imac g and I'm in the point where I can choose packagues in order to install. the thing is I'd like install a really light system with fluxbox or openbox. in orther to do this will I need instal just the base system? |
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| 20:30.50 | dutchfish | macquetero, start with only the base packages no desktop and work up from there |
| 20:30.56 | macquetero | ?? |
| 20:31.04 | wols | macquetero: you don't need to install anything at that point |
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| 20:31.14 | macquetero | ok |
| 20:31.17 | berbz | You have the base system now |
| 20:31.21 | wols | after the install, you disable recommended package for apt |
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| 20:31.52 | wols | then you start by installing xorg and the windowmanage of your choice |
| 20:32.04 | macquetero | ok |
| 20:32.06 | Arrowmaster | you could have changed the desktop environment it would install on the first boot screen |
| 20:32.34 | macquetero | I'm on it!!! I'll |
| 20:32.37 | Arrowmaster | LXDE comes with openbox |
| 20:32.39 | uragano4699 | ciao |
| 20:32.44 | uragano4699 | !list |
| 20:32.45 | dpkg | uragano4699: VATTENE VIA |
| 20:32.53 | macquetero | yeah penbox is really nice |
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| 20:33.26 | chrono_ | abrotman, for some reason, i can conect internet just if am i in single mode |
| 20:33.44 | abrotman | chrono_: is network-manager installed ? |
| 20:33.51 | chrono_ | i think yes |
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| 20:34.05 | sebas8911 | hi folks! |
| 20:34.11 | chrono_ | /bin/sh: network-manager: not found |
| 20:34.25 | macquetero | folks jee |
| 20:34.37 | themill | chrono_: nm-applet |
| 20:34.41 | abrotman | in CLI ? |
| 20:34.51 | chrono_ | yes, it is installed. i use it everyday |
| 20:34.58 | chrono_ | (nm-applet:1422): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 20:35.01 | berbz | chrono_ : when switching from single user, does your interfaces file stay at -physical or does it copy over correctly? |
| 20:35.19 | chrono_ | berbz, what? |
| 20:35.39 | berbz | telinit 2, ls /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:35.41 | sebas8911 | I'm trying to install debian squeeze using netboot install and preseed. it works until "installing base system" stop with a red screen... |
| 20:35.58 | sebas8911 | "the base system installation into /target/ failded." |
| 20:36.03 | chrono_ | /etc/network/interfaces~ |
| 20:36.05 | chrono_ | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:36.22 | berbz | chrono_ is there no interfaces file there? |
| 20:36.29 | chrono_ | /bin/sh: /etc/network/interfaces: Permission denied |
| 20:36.35 | berbz | heh, su |
| 20:36.35 | jhutchins | sebas8911: That would suggest an error in designating the target partition. |
| 20:36.47 | sebas8911 | any installation gurus around? :) |
| 20:36.49 | jhutchins | berbz: Never su without - |
| 20:36.56 | berbz | ^^ |
| 20:37.00 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
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| 20:37.04 | dutchfish | sebas8911, is this a fresh install? |
| 20:37.24 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: indeed, the target is there. and yes a fresh install. |
| 20:37.25 | chrono_ | i dont know, but if i run iwconfig i can see the network interfaces, single mode or not |
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| 20:37.55 | sebas8911 | dutchfish: yes fresh install. |
| 20:37.58 | chrono_ | wow, everytime i enter irc i use a non-root user account |
| 20:38.06 | berbz | Right right. So try this. |
| 20:38.27 | berbz | ifconfig ip/24 up (or whatever iwconfig). |
| 20:38.36 | jhutchins | sebas8911: Possibly you and the installer do not agree on how the target should be named. |
| 20:38.43 | sebas8911 | I've debug on, and I cannot figure out the exact error... :( |
| 20:38.44 | chrono_ | /bin/sh: iwconfig: not found |
| 20:38.57 | chrono_ | im not root |
| 20:38.57 | abrotman | as root |
| 20:39.21 | jhutchins | chrono_: network shouldn't be started in single user mode - at least that's the SysV convention. |
| 20:39.25 | chrono_ | when i run ifconfig i get the interfaces name, the one i use to conect wifi is wlan0 |
| 20:39.52 | chrono_ | jhutchins: i log as user to perform this |
| 20:39.53 | jhutchins | sebas8911: You may have done something like /dev/hda1 when the installer expects /dev/sda1. |
| 20:39.58 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: isn't it pretty standard the name of the target? |
| 20:40.04 | berbz | then try ifconfig wlan0 ip/24 up (dunno if that will work with wifi card) but something similar to that |
| 20:40.18 | berbz | ip = the actual static address btw. |
| 20:40.20 | chrono_ | abrotman, what about nm-applet you said before? |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | i didn't .. themill did |
| 20:40.40 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: you may be right! let me check :) |
| 20:40.47 | chrono_ | abrotman: so network-manager |
| 20:40.57 | berbz | Last time I try to help. |
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| 20:41.07 | themill | chrono_: nm-applet is only going to work if you've logged in to X and it sounds like you're not doing that |
| 20:41.38 | chrono_ | i have configured this connection on nm-applet, so there isn't a way to use the configured network? |
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| 20:41.44 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: that is the target: /dev/hda3 26.3G 172.1M 24.8G 1% /target |
| 20:42.43 | jhutchins | sebas8911: linux is in transition now between calling IDE drives hdX and calling them sdX, so that might be the problem. |
| 20:42.59 | macquetero | debian base system is installed now |
| 20:43.15 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: in my preseed, I have that comment out: #d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/hda |
| 20:43.28 | chrono_ | abrotman: what log do you want? |
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| 20:43.43 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:44.01 | chrono_ | Error opening terminal: tty. |
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| 20:44.17 | chrono_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log: |
| 20:44.18 | chrono_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log:X.Org X Server 1.7.4 |
| 20:44.18 | chrono_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log:Release Date: 2010-01-08 |
| 20:44.18 | chrono_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log:X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 |
| 20:44.18 | chrono_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log:Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.32.4-dsa-amd64 x86_64 Debian |
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| 20:44.46 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: even for ide drive? it'll change to sdX ? |
| 20:44.49 | themill | Thank $DEITY for debhelper. |
| 20:44.54 | abrotman | wtf .. seriously |
| 20:44.57 | saltthefries | lol |
| 20:45.16 | abrotman | themill: but his client queue is all setup and ready to go .. maybe |
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| 20:47.54 | sebas8911 | preseeding debian installations rocks! :) |
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| 20:48.01 | jhutchins | sebas8911: How did you generate your preseed file? |
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| 20:48.52 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: using the example given in the doc, I was able to install the same machine a month ago with almost de same preseed. |
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| 20:49.12 | chrono_ | abrotman, please go to #flood ok? |
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| 20:49.49 | jhutchins | sebas8911: Docs say that preseed has changed significantly in etch, may have changed again for lenny. |
| 20:50.09 | chrono_ | when you stay already there please tell me |
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| 20:50.44 | jhutchins | sebas8911: If you're moving from a kernel that called the drives hda to one that calls them sda that could be it. Yes, new kernels call ALL ATA hard drives sdX, even standard old-style IDEs. |
| 20:51.36 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: I used this preseed to install squeeze, in the pass without a problem. here is the debug log of the installation http://paste.debian.net/59059/ |
| 20:53.14 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: well, in squeeze, with kernel, $ uname -a "Linux zara 2.6.32-trunk-powerpc #1 Mon Jan 11 03:50:43 UTC 2010 ppc GNU/Linux" I've partition called /dev/hda4 /boot |
| 20:53.34 | sebas8911 | it's an ide drive. |
| 20:54.29 | jhutchins | Strange. |
| 20:55.00 | abrotman | chrono_: can we try something else? can you move your xorg.conf aside .. and try that again ? |
| 20:56.08 | k\t | anyone here? |
| 20:57.00 | macquetero | installing xorg fluxbox xdm |
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| 20:58.02 | saltthefries | macquetero, sounds good... that's how I build my systems (although I use e17 instead of fluxbox) |
| 20:58.25 | macquetero | mm |
| 20:58.25 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: I cannot even find the error message in the source code... http://git.debian.org/?p=d-i/base-installer.git;a=blob;f=debian/bootstrap-base.postinst;h=433433ffd6b3fd54d591bf4fe221976afacafa02;hb=HEAD |
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| 20:58.51 | jhutchins | sebas8911: On a 2.6.24 box I get hdX. Looking for other systems to check... |
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| 21:00.37 | jhutchins | sebas8911: Looks like I'm on the wrong track, on 2.6.26 they're still hdX. |
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| 21:01.12 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: in the installer, I'm with 2.6.30 |
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| 21:01.31 | jhutchins | sebas8911: Still, you're going for squeeze. I don't think they've frozen it yet. You could try sda3 instead of hda3, won't hurt anything. |
| 21:01.53 | jhutchins | sebas8911: The docs are mostly current for etch, so the installer may have changed for squeeze. |
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| 21:02.09 | macquetero | it'd be awesome build it awesome ( but hard) do that from scratch |
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| 21:02.29 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: the installer is from sid, that is the only one I found to be able to install squeeze/testing |
| 21:03.05 | jhutchins | sebas8911: Remember what happened to Dr. Frankenstein. |
| 21:03.15 | macquetero | jeje |
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| 21:03.47 | saltthefries | sebas8911, what about installing the lenny base system and dist-upgrading? |
| 21:03.59 | jhutchins | This is one of the less good things about Debian... preseed docs from 2005... |
| 21:04.39 | sebas8911 | saltthefries: well, I want to test the install process of squeeze. |
| 21:05.12 | macquetero | xen |
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| 21:05.17 | saltthefries | ok, sorry... must have missed that |
| 21:05.29 | sebas8911 | well, the preseed stuff is not changing that much, |
| 21:06.29 | babilen | sebas8911: The squeeze debian-installer is still under heavy development and not yet ready for production use. If you want to install squeeze you should install lenny and upgrade. |
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| 21:06.48 | sebas8911 | maybe, I should try the d-i channel too. |
| 21:07.08 | jhutchins | sebas8911: I note the docs say you can't preseed and keep partitions. |
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| 21:07.40 | sebas8911 | babilen: yes, I know, I'm not looking for a production installer. I'm looking to test the d-i installer. |
| 21:07.41 | k[t | text shows here? test yes? |
| 21:07.47 | k[t | ok |
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| 21:07.53 | macquetero | debian still use the dselect system'?, long ago used to use that |
| 21:08.06 | Kazuha | Not primarily. |
| 21:08.10 | streuner_ | dselect is still in Debian |
| 21:08.12 | Kazuha | These days, we use Apt. |
| 21:08.12 | babilen | sebas8911: Alright - Just wanted to let you know. Make sure that you file bugs if you run into problems and/or contact the d-i developer |
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| 21:08.14 | sebas8911 | if I find a bug, I would like to report it. |
| 21:08.19 | k\t | good ket, goodbye |
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| 21:08.30 | macquetero | mm |
| 21:08.32 | macquetero | I'm outdated |
| 21:09.14 | streuner_ | apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:09.15 | babilen | macquetero: You might want to read the debian reference to learn about all these "new" things :-) |
| 21:09.16 | Kazuha | apt/aptitude are a lot *friendlier* than I remember dselect being. |
| 21:09.28 | macquetero | yeah |
| 21:09.56 | macquetero | I'm comming from rpm world |
| 21:10.02 | Kazuha | (IIRC, the last time I used dselect was, Potato?) |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | macquetero: aptitude is the recommended tool now |
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| 21:10.34 | macquetero | uhhn |
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| 21:11.54 | numen | did something changed in mysql server? |
| 21:11.55 | numen | http://nopaste.info/1e75de712b.html |
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| 21:12.36 | Kazuha | Personally, (I track Testing) I do find one minor annoyance to aptitude -- in its default configuration (I've since changed it), it automagically tries to resolve conflicts, but I've seen its "conflict resolution" being worse than the original state. |
| 21:12.43 | cyberix | How often is packages.debian.org updated? |
| 21:12.51 | sebas8911 | jhutchins: I don't want to keep partitions. I want to start from zero and use the whole disc, but on powerpc, you've 3 partitions reserved to yaboot (the boot loader) |
| 21:13.16 | EvilGuru | Is there a replacement for ~/.xinitrc files? As I just wrote one to do some xinput stuff and it did not appear to be executed? |
| 21:13.50 | simonrvn | sebas8911: 3? partition map, bootstrap, and what? |
| 21:13.50 | macquetero | powerpc rules!!!! |
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| 21:14.56 | macquetero | the installer itself will do that. |
| 21:15.08 | saltthefries | EvilGuru, you might need a .xsession file as well |
| 21:15.23 | saltthefries | check if .xinitrc is executable |
| 21:15.36 | sebas8911 | simonrvn: 2 actually, http://paste.debian.net/59061/ |
| 21:15.38 | EvilGuru | saltthefries: Does it need to be? |
| 21:15.49 | saltthefries | yes, as far as I know |
| 21:15.56 | EvilGuru | Could be my problem thought |
| 21:15.57 | simonrvn | sebas8911: yes, i know |
| 21:16.03 | sebas8911 | the third, is the osx partition (I have) |
| 21:16.19 | simonrvn | that's not for yaboot ;p |
| 21:16.31 | sebas8911 | it's because, I forget about my osx installation ... :) |
| 21:16.49 | simonrvn | you want to *keep* 3 |
| 21:16.57 | sebas8911 | you're right. |
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| 21:17.21 | macquetero | installer has a part in order to use the entire disck. later after all the installer will tell you that will install yaboot |
| 21:17.24 | simonrvn | anyway, i'm just nitpicking... sorry |
| 21:18.07 | sebas8911 | simonrvn: but I need at least 2 reserved, no? |
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| 21:19.11 | simonrvn | well d-i creates those if you wipe the whole thing. but if you've made some room on the drive and partition the free space... |
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| 21:19.40 | macquetero | if you wanna delete the whole disk you will not have any problem because th installer will make the partitions needed |
| 21:19.52 | macquetero | yo don't have to worry about that |
| 21:19.56 | cyberix | please tell me something/anything about packages.debian.org |
| 21:19.59 | cyberix | who runs it? |
| 21:20.04 | cyberix | does it have a maintainer? |
| 21:20.21 | cyberix | where do we have a batch job that updates it? |
| 21:20.32 | cyberix | is it updated once every week or once a year? |
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| 21:21.10 | simonrvn | cyberix: how about you contact them. |
| 21:21.39 | cyberix | 23:20 < cyberix> does it have a maintainer? |
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| 21:22.10 | abrotman | cyberix: there's a contact at the bottom of the page |
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| 21:23.23 | cyberix | So there is no chance of using irc |
| 21:23.26 | saltthefries | cyberix: from using packages.debian.org, I can tell you that it's kept quite put to date |
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| 21:24.26 | abrotman | cyberix: how about asking a real question .. |
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| 21:24.30 | seb__ | hi everyone |
| 21:24.57 | seb__ | i am just asking myself why dmesg or lsusb doesn't see my android phone when i plug it ? |
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| 21:25.17 | cyberix | abrotman: Why is http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/miredo/miredo_1.2.2-1.dsc not visible at http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/miredo/ |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | cyberix: yes, sometimes packages.debian.org lags |
| 21:25.48 | numen | is something new with mysql server? |
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| 21:26.11 | numen | http://nopaste.info/1e75de712b.html |
| 21:26.39 | simonrvn | numen: there's a debian changelog, you can go read it. |
| 21:26.58 | cyberix | I've waited several days, and I'm starting to be in a hurry. |
| 21:27.06 | abrotman | cyberix: or it used to |
| 21:27.29 | cyberix | February 11th is the deadline for importing stuff to the next Ubuntu LTS |
| 21:27.48 | cyberix | and the tool for filing sync requests depends on packages.debian,org |
| 21:28.41 | cebru | Having some issues booting my server. When starting my Murmur service it just hangs at some warning, never moving past that point. |
| 21:28.48 | cebru | What exactly can I do? |
| 21:28.55 | cebru | Can |
| 21:29.02 | cebru | Cannot even log in |
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| 21:29.50 | znull | quick question : how i check memory usage per account (RAM ) |
| 21:30.09 | chrono_ | abrotman: are you seeing the xorg.0.log in #flood? |
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| 21:30.14 | macquetero | hi guys I've install the xorg xdm and fluxbox but nothing appears |
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| 21:30.17 | chrono_ | i already tried it... the same thing happens |
| 21:30.19 | chrono_ | its not like xorg.conf can control keyboard anymore |
| 21:30.22 | chrono_ | abrotman, i alrady tried it.. the same problem happens |
| 21:30.24 | chrono_ | abrotman, its like hal is controlling keyboard |
| 21:30.24 | abrotman | chrono_: yes, and i asked you to mv your xorg.conf and see if it keeps happening |
| 21:30.28 | chrono_ | abrotman: if there are another logs you want... |
| 21:30.55 | hbarc | brr - 6,5c and 40cm snow :( |
| 21:32.34 | abrotman | is hal installed and running ? |
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| 21:33.39 | abrotman | chrono_: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude -r install xorg |
| 21:35.40 | cyberix | abrotman: So I was hoping to find a nickname for someone who is in the correct server rooml, so she could kick the server in case it is stuck, and tell me when the update is to happen, in case it is not |
| 21:36.25 | abrotman | cyberix: why do you need that dsc ? |
| 21:36.53 | cyberix | abrotman: I'm trying to use an Ubuntu developer utility called requestsync |
| 21:37.24 | cyberix | E: Did not retrieve any changelog entries. Was the package recently uploaded? (check http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/) |
| 21:37.44 | cyberix | this is the error I get |
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| 21:40.47 | abrotman | cyberix: and it uses the website instead of the archives directly ? |
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| 21:43.41 | cyberix | abrotman: It seems so |
| 21:44.13 | abrotman | no comment ... |
| 21:44.22 | jhutchins | Maybe it just lists the web page as a backup for checking. |
| 21:44.37 | cyberix | abrotman: Maybe there is some reason for that. Does the web site have any additional information? |
| 21:44.55 | abrotman | i don't use that tool .. no idea |
| 21:45.02 | cyberix | it could also be that the web site is easier to access than ftp |
| 21:45.08 | cyberix | from some arbitrary code |
| 21:45.35 | cyberix | the archive is ftp, right? |
| 21:45.54 | cyberix | or maybe just that packages.debian.org provides search |
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| 21:48.05 | cebru | any way to skip a certain point during boot? my server just hangs at some warning from murmur, doesn't get past it at all |
| 21:48.33 | HellMind | guys, how can I give rw access to al the dev pts ? ,( I mean at boot ) |
| 21:49.44 | HellMind | I ve to chmod dev/pts x every time i want to run screen :( |
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| 21:53.16 | jhutchins | cebru: Try not starting murmur. Are you running sid? |
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| 21:54.28 | cebru | jhutchins: I am running Lenny. Can't really stop murmur from starting, as the server never boots properly. It cannot get past that point. |
| 21:54.41 | jhutchins | HellMind: What about adding your user to the tty group? |
| 21:54.52 | cebru | Server is not responding to anything but a shutdown command |
| 21:55.08 | jhutchins | cebru: Boot to single user mode. |
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| 21:55.29 | cebru | jhutchins: same problem there |
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| 21:55.49 | jhutchins | cebru: Sounds like you're gonna need a rescue disk. |
| 21:56.11 | nooper | murmur starts up in single user mode? |
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| 21:56.47 | jhutchins | nooper: That could be the problem - trying to start too early. Or it could be something else entirely. |
| 21:57.06 | nooper | ah |
| 21:57.49 | cebru | The error is actually something unimportant, just a warning about registration and how it is handled |
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| 21:58.52 | SimManiac | says hi |
| 21:59.28 | crn | I'm trying to read syslog as an ordinary user that's a member of adm group. But I get permission denied. |
| 21:59.38 | crn | what am I missing? |
| 21:59.43 | jhutchins | cebru: Usually the last thing a startup process does is post it's status, so often when the last thing reported is from step b, the actual problem is in step c. |
| 22:00.21 | karme | crn: if you run "group" as that user, is that group listed? if not, did you logout/login? |
| 22:00.29 | jhutchins | crn: Has that user logged out and logged back in since being added to the group? |
| 22:00.37 | karme | jhutchins: ;-P |
| 22:01.02 | crn | no logout then in. thanks |
| 22:01.16 | jhutchins | karme: Good ol' lag. |
| 22:01.42 | karme | ~s/group/groups |
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| 22:03.15 | k\t | hmm, i know there's pastebinit, but is there something like tinyurlIT... heh |
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| 22:07.35 | deadcat | how do i dd a dvd to a file? dd if=/dev/dvd of=blah.iso didnt seem to work. )= |
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| 22:08.21 | abrotman | deadcat: isn't there a program called like drip or dvdrip ? |
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| 22:09.16 | karme | deadcat: or maybe dvdbackup |
| 22:09.26 | deadcat | k. will give it a try |
| 22:10.26 | jhutchins | deadcat: dd works for some DVD's, so there's probably some DRM involved. |
| 22:10.31 | deadcat | hmm. it seems like it will take forever to copy 1 dvd? i just want to dd it |
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| 22:10.45 | soul-d | but doesn't explain why it din't work as it should only thing i can think of is that /dev/dvd is somekind of symlink to actual /dev/<device> usaly they have weird names just finished my iso with /dev/sr0 |
| 22:10.50 | deadcat | its a children dvd "your baby can read" |
| 22:11.08 | jhutchins | deadcat: Some processes don't run any faster than playback, maybe even slower. |
| 22:11.37 | soul-d | but im not yet, havent ran debian in a while :) |
| 22:11.58 | deadcat | maybe i'll just copy the content and let vlc play it. |
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| 22:12.39 | soul-d | did you unmount your dvd before dding ? |
| 22:12.44 | jhutchins | deadcat: We'd have to know more about how dd failed to help. |
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| 22:13.01 | deadcat | jhutchins: oh. |
| 22:13.04 | deadcat | let me run it again |
| 22:13.22 | jhutchins | deadcat: Check that it's unmounted first. |
| 22:13.38 | deadcat | jhutchins: it is... dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error |
| 22:14.25 | soul-d | better unmount it remount it so it gets automounted then type mount to see the actual device |
| 22:14.30 | jhutchins | deadcat: We're sure it's the right device? |
| 22:14.44 | deadcat | jhutchins: yes. |
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| 22:14.47 | cyberix | abrotman: I filed a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bug/518574 |
| 22:15.13 | jhutchins | deadcat: Your user has permissions to it? |
| 22:15.19 | deadcat | jhutchins: yes. |
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| 22:15.55 | jhutchins | We must suspect some sort of DRM trickery then if dd can't read the device. |
| 22:15.57 | deadcat | i am just gonna copy the files... |
| 22:16.05 | abrotman | cyberix: good plan |
| 22:16.44 | jhutchins | deadcat: You may be able to construct your own usable iso image once you have them. |
| 22:17.03 | deadcat | jhutchins: no need. its for my sis. too lazy to help her. |
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| 22:17.39 | jhutchins | It's all about the CHALLENGE man! |
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| 22:18.01 | deadcat | jhutchins: not when the game is about to start in 1hr and i have to go home. |
| 22:18.13 | jhutchins | Game? |
| 22:18.28 | deadcat | jhutchins: i watch american football. NFL superbowl. |
| 22:18.38 | jhutchins | Ah. |
| 22:18.48 | jhutchins | is waiting for speed week. |
| 22:18.53 | chrono_ | abrotman: sorry, i was off. |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | chrono_: it's okay |
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| 22:23.10 | DEbiansqueeze | if managed=true when grep managed /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf does that mean NM has assumed responsibility of my network connections? |
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| 22:26.18 | chrono_ | abrotman: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude -r install xorg? |
| 22:26.36 | abrotman | i said that |
| 22:27.00 | chrono_ | what does -r install does? |
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| 22:27.24 | edmont | hi |
| 22:28.06 | edmont | do you know any fast way for resizing an ext3 partition? I tried Gparted but it takes several hours! |
| 22:28.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | delete it and re-create it |
| 22:28.40 | LimCore | aptitude install libc-bin/lenny gives me: Unable to find an archive "lenny" for the package "libc-bin" why? |
| 22:28.45 | karme | edmont: shrink or enlarge? |
| 22:29.04 | edmont | its an external USB drive, 500 GB. Now, there are 250 GB of free space and the remaining is the partition |
| 22:29.16 | karme | edmont: which debian version? |
| 22:29.18 | edmont | i would like to use all the space for the partition |
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| 22:29.33 | edmont | Kamping_Kaiser: but i want to keep the data in it |
| 22:29.53 | edmont | karme: enlarge |
| 22:30.07 | edmont | actully, ubuntu 9.10 |
| 22:30.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | edmont: then there is no fast way. |
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| 22:30.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | LimCore: becaues that packag edoesn't exist |
| 22:30.53 | karme | edmont: ext2/3 online resize (enlarge) works since debian/lenny |
| 22:31.11 | LimCore | Kamping_Kaiser: huh? then how can I downgrade my libc to lenny's version |
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| 22:31.29 | karme | edmont: i typically use lvm - first you resize the volume then the fs |
| 22:31.46 | edmont | karme: what do you mean with "online" resize? |
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| 22:31.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | LimCore: using libc6 probably :) |
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| 22:31.59 | karme | edmont: you can resize while the fs is mounted |
| 22:32.16 | LimCore | in lenny there was just libc6 instead of libc6-bin ? |
| 22:32.17 | karme | edmont: but anyway you want to have a backup |
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| 22:33.03 | karme | edmont: 1. backup 2. resize partition 3. resize fs (man resize2fs) |
| 22:33.33 | edmont | karme: if i have to make a backup, it would take a lot of time too |
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| 22:33.46 | edmont | so Gparted is the best option then |
| 22:33.51 | karme | edmont: how long does it take to reproduce the data? |
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| 22:34.09 | karme | edmont: you want to have a backup if you use gparted, too |
| 22:34.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | LimCore: yes. |
| 22:34.15 | edmont | :) |
| 22:34.26 | chrono_ | abrotman: i have done what you said, no changes happened |
| 22:34.37 | edmont | karme, 200 GB of data at 10 MB/s |
| 22:34.41 | karme | edmont: and i would think gparted just uses resize2fs anyway? |
| 22:34.54 | abrotman | chrono_: make sure is hald running |
| 22:35.00 | chrono_ | ok |
| 22:35.00 | abrotman | uh .. but in english |
| 22:35.00 | karme | edmont: this should take only a few seconds |
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| 22:35.17 | chrono_ | wait |
| 22:35.30 | LimCore | how to downgrade libc6 exactly? |
| 22:35.52 | edmont | karme: so the commands are lvm and resize2fs? |
| 22:36.04 | hayleyw | LimCore, you dont |
| 22:36.07 | karme | edmont: no - i use lvm => no partitions |
| 22:36.22 | edmont | ah, ok |
| 22:36.35 | edmont | logic volume management |
| 22:36.40 | edmont | or sth like that |
| 22:36.43 | LimCore | hayleyw: I need to |
| 22:36.52 | LimCore | how to force it? http://pastebin.ca/1789522 |
| 22:36.52 | hayleyw | LimCore, too bad. aint happening. |
| 22:36.56 | karme | edmont: to resize the partition you use something like sfdisk (you can also use sfdisk to at least make a backup of the partition table) |
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| 22:37.06 | LimCore | hayleyw: why not? |
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| 22:37.13 | karme | edmont: but doesn't gparted do the job? |
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| 22:37.33 | hayleyw | LimCore, because you cant. that's what happens when you break such a core library that *everything* depends on |
| 22:37.39 | edmont | karme: it does, but it makes a fsck first |
| 22:37.47 | edmont | and it takes a lot of time |
| 22:38.01 | karme | edmont: resize2fs will probably tell you to run fsck first, too |
| 22:38.01 | LimCore | hayleyw: 99% of my system is lenny |
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| 22:38.37 | edmont | karme: so the best option is to use gparted just before i go to sleep :) |
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| 22:38.46 | karme | edmont: :-) |
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| 22:39.26 | chrono_ | abrotman, even with hald running, keyboard still not working |
| 22:39.35 | abrotman | chrono_: was it running before ? |
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| 22:39.48 | LimCore | http://pastebin.ca/1789529 any idea why forcing downgrade is not working now? |
| 22:39.55 | chrono_ | no, i am in single mode so... |
| 22:40.11 | abrotman | LimCore: you have to force the downgrade |
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| 22:40.20 | abrotman | chrono_: so how do you know it's working ? |
| 22:40.23 | LimCore | abrotman: Im really trying. whats the command that will work? |
| 22:40.25 | abrotman | erm .. that hald is running |
| 22:40.33 | abrotman | LimCore: man dpkg |
| 22:40.34 | LimCore | it worked few days ago afair |
| 22:40.41 | chrono_ | i had to do "dpkg-reconfigure dbus" and "dpkg-reconfigure hal" to got hald working |
| 22:40.57 | babilen | LimCore: You could pin the packages to a priority > 1000, or install them manually with dpkg -i |
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| 22:41.07 | chrono_ | abrotman, i had to do "dpkg-reconfigure dbus" and "dpkg-reconfigure hal" to got hald working |
| 22:41.10 | abrotman | i saw |
| 22:41.12 | LimCore | abrotman: thar was a method with using just aptitude command line (or apt-get) to do it. Do you know it? -f nor -t lenny nor /lenny not apt-preferences pinning do not seem to work |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | chrono_: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide ..read through this .. see if any of it applies to you |
| 22:41.51 | abrotman | LimCore: you still have to force the downgrade |
| 22:42.01 | chrono_ | abrotman: im in console... |
| 22:42.11 | abrotman | chrono_: use w3m |
| 22:42.13 | babilen | chrono_: try w3m |
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| 22:42.25 | LimCore | abrotman: right, my question is, what apt-get command will force it. Im reading/googling for some time now. |
| 22:42.35 | chrono_ | ok, ill install, then can you send this to me later? |
| 22:43.00 | abrotman | LimCore: man dpkg .. read the freaking man page |
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| 22:45.04 | LimCore | abrotman: yes I see "dpkg downgrade" but then I need to find and download packages by hand. Is there a way to do it with apt-get |
| 22:45.30 | abrotman | LimCore: man aptitude .. man dpkg .. you can combine them |
| 22:45.48 | LimCore | this is not very helpfull |
| 22:46.07 | LimCore | one could hop point of support irc would be to help find non-trivial things a bit faster |
| 22:46.09 | LimCore | hope |
| 22:46.12 | abrotman | it would be if you would read it |
| 22:46.47 | LimCore | I dont have time to read entire man dpkg and aptitude |
| 22:46.53 | beardy | !hurry |
| 22:46.53 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 22:46.55 | themill | dpkg: tell LimCore about downgrade |
| 22:47.06 | LimCore | themill: I read all 5 factoids related to dpkg |
| 22:47.14 | LimCore | *to downgrade, from dpkg bot |
| 22:47.20 | themill | LimCore: then your "is this possible" question is answered. |
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| 22:47.58 | LimCore | themill: well it IS possible, since I did it recently, queestion is how-to, strangely today it seems to not work, or Im forgetting something |
| 22:48.31 | themill | LimCore: good luck with that then. |
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| 22:49.35 | themill | LimCore: one thing that you didn't do is follow any links in the factoids. One might suggest that the mention of "partial downgrade" in the "downgrade" factoid may possibly have been put there for a reason. |
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| 22:51.12 | laumonier | how can i make an usb key bootable????i try with gparted i put the flag bootable on a fat32 usb key but i cant boot it someone could help me? |
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| 22:52.42 | paissad_ | what is the commande to change keyboard map , i do know loadkeys fr , but i have X running ^^ |
| 22:52.47 | paissad_ | i forgot it |
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| 22:54.38 | themill | ,build-dep libsoup2.4 --release sid |
| 22:54.38 | judd | libsoup2.4 -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libgconf2-dev, libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.21.3), libgnome-keyring-dev, libgnutls-dev (>= 2.1.7), libproxy-dev, libsqlite3-dev, libxml2-dev, cdbs, gtk-doc-tools, gnome-pkg-tools, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19); Build-Depends-Indep: libglib2.0-doc. |
| 22:55.19 | themill | superos: ^^ apt-get build-dep might be useful to you, but you might like to try updating the debian package rather than just building the package from scratch. /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 22:55.51 | LimCore | themill: that parital downgrade factoid... could be more helpfull |
| 22:56.11 | EliasAmaral | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nvidia-glx : depends on 'nvidia-kernel-173.14.09', but this virtual package is provided only by nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-* packages (forlenny kernel). There is a nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-* (for current squeeze kernel) package somewhere? |
| 22:56.25 | themill | LimCore: feel free to rewrite it then |
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| 22:56.49 | EliasAmaral | I was having problems installing this, I think it was because it was for the wrong kernel :P .-. |
| 22:56.57 | themill | LimCore: you might like to wait until you understand the meaning of "is not possible with apt" prior to doing so, however. |
| 22:57.27 | DEbiansqueeze | one more issue im attempting to conquer when i enable automatic login sometime the top gnome bar will be a half inch or so to low it can be covered up by pages but if i go through the graphical log in process the bar is placed in the correct position.. ever heard of that? |
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| 22:57.46 | themill | dpkg: tell EliasAmaral about nvidia squeeze |
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| 23:00.01 | EliasAmaral | Ok. I think you (or someone else) already said me I had to build from sid, but I was unsure where I should look for this. Thank you! |
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| 23:02.59 | superos | themill: I am downloading libproxy from Google Code for now. Need some particular versions for building latest WebkitGTK. |
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| 23:03.28 | EliasAmaral | apt-get --no-install-recommends is the same thing aptitude --without-recommends? |
| 23:04.16 | abrotman | EliasAmaral: you should be using aptitude |
| 23:04.43 | EliasAmaral | this is a doubt i have |
| 23:04.51 | abrotman | you're wrong |
| 23:05.06 | EliasAmaral | wrong in what? (it was a question) |
| 23:05.14 | EliasAmaral | the answer is "no, it is not the same thing"? |
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| 23:05.37 | abrotman | EliasAmaral: i'm telling you that in general, use aptitude .. aptitude is the recommended tool for installing/removing packages |
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| 23:06.10 | EliasAmaral | oh, ok. but, what I wonder is: I am using apt-get from a while. Will switching from aptitude do 'odd' things? |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | (even though someone used apt-get all over that page) |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | EliasAmaral: just switch now .. if sometihng goes awry, ask us how to fix it |
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| 23:06.33 | themill | EliasAmaral: yes has the same meaning, no won't always do exactly the same thing because aptitude will be able to get you out of tight spots where apt-get just throws its hands up in the air and stops |
| 23:07.24 | LimCore | how to list all packages that depend on libc-bin ? |
| 23:07.35 | EliasAmaral | this seems is a nice feature to have |
| 23:07.50 | EliasAmaral | seems a |
| 23:08.05 | themill | LimCore: man apt-cache |
| 23:08.11 | EliasAmaral | but, is apt-get deprecated? I am wondering why there is two competing tools with incompatible option names |
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| 23:08.43 | themill | LimCore: if you want to restrict that to packages that are installed, then you'll need to construct an aptitude search, /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 23:08.43 | LimCore | you are not really fans of just giving the solution here ;) |
| 23:08.50 | themill | !fish |
| 23:08.51 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell": http://fishshell.org |
| 23:08.59 | abrotman | LimCore: you're not a fan of reading, are you ? |
| 23:09.00 | EliasAmaral | apt-get got something "wrong", that was "fixed" in aptitude by someone that didn't wanted to change apt-get itself, maybe because the changes was "experimental" in nature? |
| 23:09.20 | LimCore | abrotman: can't read all about all the things I use |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | LimCore: someone wrote it all .. |
| 23:09.45 | EliasAmaral | LimCore, it's the style of the support here, get used to it |
| 23:09.58 | themill | LimCore: if you spent less time complaining that people haven't prechewed your dinner for you, you'd have been read it by now. BTW, you do know how to search within man pages, don't you? |
| 23:10.10 | abrotman | LimCore: you've also been coming aronud long enough that you should know the basic tools |
| 23:10.22 | EliasAmaral | LimCore, it's possible that some debian local user group near you have different style (or a forum, or even another debian channel, who knows) |
| 23:10.25 | LimCore | abrotman: no, thousands of people wrote it all, each wrote about his area(s) of expertise. No time in the world to read all manuals to ALL programs, devices, things a man uses |
| 23:10.39 | abrotman | LimCore: are you sure thousands of people wrote those man pages ? |
| 23:10.46 | abrotman | all those three ... |
| 23:11.01 | LimCore | abrotman: I thought most man pages are coming from upstream |
| 23:11.15 | abrotman | LimCore: who do you think the upstream is for aptitude/dpkg/apt-cache ? |
| 23:11.16 | themill | LimCore: help yourself or find someone else to spoon-feed you. |
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| 23:12.22 | EliasAmaral | for searching man pages, type / (or ? for searching backwards). it's actually a less command.. you don't need to read all the man pages, or even memorize it, LimCore; you need to be able to search whenever you need (but I think that asking in a irc channel is a fine way of doing searches, if people on the channel are willing to do it for you) |
| 23:12.23 | LimCore | its not my goal right now to be best debian administrator, just to fix my server today... if you would ask me a question about php or c++ etc, good chance I would simply told you the code to do it, because I understand no one can learn everything |
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| 23:12.51 | EliasAmaral | *I* sometimes can't find things in google or man pages or whatever ;-; |
| 23:12.53 | themill | LimCore: seriously, it takes 3 seconds to "man apt-cache /depend" |
| 23:13.05 | ehnde | is there a code::blocks package available in apt? |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | LimCore: good .. can you tell me why in PHP "if (1.235 == 1.235)" fails? :) |
| 23:13.28 | LimCore | I'm actually googling and reading for like 2+ h now, but somhow all this apt stuff feels un-intuitive to me. It was easier to setup (most of basic) jabber server and trac server for me |
| 23:13.51 | EliasAmaral | apt-cache showpkg somepackage will show you some info, such as the reverse depends |
| 23:14.00 | abrotman | spoonfeeder! |
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| 23:14.05 | EliasAmaral | sorry :( |
| 23:14.09 | themill | LimCore: you've been googling for 2 hours instead of taking 3 seconds to search the man page that we told you to look in? You really need to work on how you go searching for information. |
| 23:14.15 | LimCore | I followed 2 manuals about downgrade, somehow they where not working. So I thought it would be a good time to ask for more direct solution |
| 23:14.23 | chrono_ | abrotman: i done all it told, but nothing happens |
| 23:14.48 | LimCore | themill: I read manuals and I tried to do what I thought it says to do. with /etc/apt/preferences |
| 23:15.00 | abrotman | chrono_: ask #debian-x on irc.oftc.net .. i'm at a loss |
| 23:15.01 | themill | ehnde: not that I know of. |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | chrono_: be very patient there .. not nearly as many people |
| 23:15.16 | LimCore | abrotman: binary inprecission? try also with === |
| 23:15.20 | themill | LimCore: eh? what does that have to do with rdepends? |
| 23:15.23 | ehnde | thanks themill |
| 23:15.23 | abrotman | LimCore: nope, that wasn't it |
| 23:15.33 | EliasAmaral | LimCore, you are trying to do a downgrade from what to what? |
| 23:15.40 | LimCore | abrotman: usually you compare floats with a epsilon, unless the language do that automatically |
| 23:15.43 | abrotman | LimCore: they were values read from files .. exactly as stated .. |
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| 23:15.54 | chrono_ | ok |
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| 23:16.05 | abrotman | LimCore: anyways .. OT here .. continue with your real problem |
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| 23:16.08 | LimCore | abrotman: usually its not good to compare floats with ==, just with < and >; if you have more questions ask me in #php |
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| 23:16.26 | abrotman | LimCore: no, i solved it .. but you didn't know .. it's okay :) |
| 23:16.40 | LimCore | but you see, it was faster to try to help |
| 23:16.59 | hayleyw | please shut up already :P |
| 23:17.00 | LimCore | really a lot of people DO try to "google it" at first, sometimes really they just mistake at something or forget sometihng |
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| 23:17.02 | EliasAmaral | LimCore, i think debian don't support downgrades o.o some other packaging systems do |
| 23:17.23 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:17.25 | abrotman | EliasAmaral: not directly supported .. it may or may not break |
| 23:17.27 | LimCore | EliasAmaral: I dowgraded few of my testing packages back to stable, it worked. Now trying to downgrade the rest |
| 23:18.02 | streuner_ | LimCore: hm, are you aware of factoid <downgrade>? |
| 23:18.15 | abrotman | streuner_: come on .. you don't think we've been over that ? |
| 23:18.16 | themill | LimCore: read and understand what "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" is telling you. This task is impossible to automate... you need to think, read and understand. You seem to need to work on all three of those. |
| 23:18.20 | LimCore | streuner_: of course |
| 23:18.39 | EliasAmaral | I think a fresh install + moving your data + installing what you need might be better, o.o |
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| 23:18.52 | hayleyw | EliasAmaral, you dont happen to be the elias amaral pinto from new jersey? |
| 23:18.52 | streuner_ | abrotman: hm |
| 23:18.58 | LimCore | would be better, on a box that I actually own instead of vps |
| 23:19.02 | EliasAmaral | hayleyw, hahahahahhaa |
| 23:19.15 | EliasAmaral | hayleyw, I am Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva from Natal, Brazil |
| 23:19.35 | EliasAmaral | hayleyw, but I know a Guilherme Pinto from here :P |
| 23:19.56 | LimCore | ok so now to downgrade libc (from squeeze to lanny). libc-bin exists only in squeeze. I installed lenny's versio of libc6. Should I now just apt-get remove libc-bin? |
| 23:19.57 | hayleyw | damn brazilians. you all have the same names :P |
| 23:21.17 | nsadmin | LimCore the only real way to downgrade is restore from backup |
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| 23:21.29 | nsadmin | or just reinstall |
| 23:21.38 | LimCore | nsadmin: Im doing it the hard way, because full reinstall is not possible here |
| 23:21.38 | EliasAmaral | elias is portuguese for elijah, hayleyw |
| 23:22.55 | nsadmin | not... possible? then how did anything get installed in the first place? :) |
| 23:23.07 | EliasAmaral | LimCore, what about a full reinstall with debootstrap? |
| 23:23.10 | LimCore | nsadmin: vps |
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| 23:23.24 | EliasAmaral | it almost the same process as a manual downgrade: downloading things, unpacking things.. |
| 23:23.25 | themill | LimCore: you presumably understand that any config file that was modified by a lenny->squeeze upgrade you will need to change back to the lenny version manually, don't you? |
| 23:23.38 | LimCore | themill: yes |
| 23:23.46 | streuner_ | Would debootstrap work? |
| 23:23.58 | themill | LimCore: and for that, you're going to need to learn the syntax of each different config file. Lots of man pages for you to read. Have fun. |
| 23:24.01 | EliasAmaral | for a fresh install, yes |
| 23:24.05 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:24.31 | LimCore | downgrade is working quite well, just libc + locales + ~10 lib* files left to downgrade. About libc, I would like a second opinon what to do best |
| 23:24.36 | HellMind | guys how to fix my dev pts to allow me to use it on any user? |
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| 23:24.52 | nsadmin | you can ask for a separate, temporary vps, install onto that, move data over, get rid of old vps |
| 23:24.55 | hayleyw | LimCore, second? you've gotten about 10 already |
| 23:24.57 | HellMind | where dev pts is mounted? |
| 23:25.00 | nsadmin | and switch IPs |
| 23:25.09 | nsadmin | on /dev/pts |
| 23:25.37 | HellMind | but where debian calls the mount script |
| 23:25.50 | HellMind | I just need to change some permission |
| 23:25.55 | themill | !wayttd HellMind |
| 23:25.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, HellMind? |
| 23:25.56 | nsadmin | probably somewhere in /etc/init.d |
| 23:26.00 | streuner_ | LimCore: well, i only know one guy which downgraded onces, he told me, it was horrible work and he is a guru... |
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| 23:28.11 | HellMind | screen -r isnt work because i dont got access to some pts |
| 23:28.20 | ilembitov | Hi, all. How do I configure layout (russian and english) in Debian Squeeze? I tried this (it's my 10-keymap.fdi file) http://pastebin.org/87769 with no luck |
| 23:28.31 | HellMind | I every time I need to use screen -r I must chmod 770 /dev/pts/x |
| 23:28.40 | HellMind | I want to fix that |
| 23:29.26 | themill | HellMind: you're trying to reattach as a different user? |
| 23:29.27 | HellMind | I can do chmod 770 /dev/pts/x but, it s going back to the previous permissions after a relogin or something |
| 23:30.01 | HellMind | not exactly, the screen is created by joe |
| 23:30.06 | LimCore | streuner_: so for I downgraded ejabberd and mysql, and it worked |
| 23:30.11 | HellMind | I login ssh using root, su joe, then screen -r |
| 23:30.16 | EliasAmaral | I also had a kind of a problem: I was adding my user to the audio group and audio wasn't appearing in groups command (and I couldn't play sound). my (ugly) workaround was to do some chmod 666 /dev/.. in /etc/rc.local, I was going to ask now how can I get rid of this, but.. now my user seems to be in audio o.o |
| 23:30.37 | babilen | ilembitov: can't you configure that through your desktop environment or with setxkbmap ? |
| 23:30.44 | EliasAmaral | (but I am happy that the new init system is still respecting rc.local) |
| 23:31.15 | ilembitov | babilen: it's XFCE and for some reason I can't find where the layout switching shortcuts are defined |
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| 23:33.33 | babilen | ilembitov: I don't use XFCE - you might want to ask in #xfce and/or #debian-russian for help with this. But I am quite sure that you won't have to edit any fdi files. Does 'setxkbmap ru' work? |
| 23:33.58 | HellMind | themill you lost me? |
| 23:34.38 | nsadmin | EliasAmaral: adding a user to a group affects the user database, which is read next time you log in |
| 23:34.44 | themill | HellMind: you shouldn't need to fiddle with permissions in /dev/pts to do what you are describing. screen supports connecting multiple times to the same session |
| 23:35.13 | HellMind | Isnt about multiple time |
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| 23:35.18 | ilembitov | babilen: Yeah, it works! |
| 23:35.19 | HellMind | is about su |
| 23:35.28 | EliasAmaral | nsadmin, hmmm.. and root can reload this database? |
| 23:35.34 | nsadmin | no |
| 23:35.44 | EliasAmaral | i though the database was /etc/group itself |
| 23:35.47 | HellMind | how can I being root screen -r to an user? |
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| 23:35.58 | EliasAmaral | and changing this file would have immediate effect |
| 23:36.10 | nsadmin | the "user database" is really /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group |
| 23:36.19 | nsadmin | no |
| 23:36.22 | nsadmin | not immediate |
| 23:36.33 | EliasAmaral | the kernel will read /etc/group whenever a user login? |
| 23:36.51 | babilen | ilembitov: Ok - Either use that and bind it to some keycombo or try to find how this is configured in XFCE. I am quite sure that it is possible, but I can't help you with that. |
| 23:37.05 | ilembitov | babilen: thanks! |
| 23:37.06 | nsadmin | the kernel? dunno. something? yes. |
| 23:37.21 | EliasAmaral | i thought it was with a mechanism like inotify |
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| 23:37.39 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 23:37.43 | nsadmin | anyh |
| 23:37.48 | nsadmin | anyway, |
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| 23:38.13 | nsadmin | you can try it now, by logging all the way out and logging in again |
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| 23:39.27 | ilembitov | I guess I picked the wrong timezone in Debian Installer. How do I fix it now? dkpg-reconfigure what? |
| 23:39.41 | streuner_ | !set time |
| 23:39.42 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | !tell il |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | bleh |
| 23:40.40 | themill | HellMind: I have no idea what you mean... Can you tell us what you're doing step by step. Perhaps use a pastebin to give the sets of commands. |
| 23:41.13 | themill | HellMind: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/572#comment_6 might be useful, btw |
| 23:42.59 | babilen | ilembitov: There must be a keyboard setting dialog in XFCE in which you can define the keyboard layouts you want to use. See http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/ |
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| 23:44.53 | LimCore | huhuhuh |
| 23:45.08 | LimCore | I dont have ldconfig now. I think it's not going perfectly, because dpkg is refusing to work =) |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | *headdesk* |
| 23:45.45 | themill | dpkg: tell LimCore about downgrade |
| 23:45.50 | themill | ... |
| 23:46.04 | nsadmin | LimCore: you should consider backing up your data... NOW... |
| 23:46.06 | LimCore | themill: congratulations, being a 100th person today to inform me that downgrade might not work and is not recommended, you win a toster |
| 23:46.25 | jelly-hme | woohoo |
| 23:46.43 | themill | LimCore: I think I was also much earlier than the 100th too. And perhaps there was a reason we were telling you it wouldn't work, |
| 23:46.48 | LimCore | I agree with you that downgrade is very dengerous and so on, thanks; Im trying to do it considering this problems |
| 23:46.53 | nsadmin | and also not supported by debian maints, and never will be (due to an early decision to that effect) |
| 23:46.59 | HellMind | themill its so hard to understand that I want to attach an user session being root? |
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| 23:47.10 | streuner_ | LimCore: How about to listen to another suggestion of us? |
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| 23:47.31 | themill | HellMind: you want to attach to some other user's session? |
| 23:47.56 | LimCore | streuner_: I belive you that downgrade is a bad idea. Still, since its my only option (except buying new/rebuying VPS), I am doing it, while agreeing it is hard |
| 23:48.15 | ehnde | i need to pin some package versions... is /etc/apt/preferences still used? |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | themill: what's a toster ? |
| 23:48.27 | LimCore | Im not giving up yet, I get wget missing ldconfig from other system and install by hand |
| 23:48.28 | themill | ehnde: yes, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 23:48.29 | ehnde | i have an /etc/apt/preferences.d/ directory |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | themill: can i borrow your toster? |
| 23:48.52 | ehnde | thanks again themill |
| 23:48.54 | themill | abrotman: no. It's all mine. I won it fair and square. |
| 23:48.56 | ilembitov | babilen: is there a single command to switch layouts? Not individual, like setxkbmap smth, but something that just switches to the next layout? |
| 23:49.01 | HellMind | themill yes, Im root I want to attach a deattached Joes screen |
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| 23:49.25 | themill | HellMind: aiui, you need to make screen suid root for that. See the article I gave you the URL to earlier. |
| 23:49.34 | abrotman | themill: i just want to borrow it! I recently got two of these: http://www.webstaurantstore.com/libbey-97036-1-2-liter-boot-beer-mug-12-cs/libbey-97036-1-2-liter-boot-beer-mug-12-cs.jpg .. we can trade for a bit |
| 23:49.55 | LimCore | wonders if there are any toasters running debian? |
| 23:50.02 | themill | HellMind: use dpkg-statoverride to make the mode change permanent, otherwise it will get clobbered on the next upgrade of screen. |
| 23:50.10 | babilen | ilembitov: You might be able to configure XFCE to switch between layouts on a key combo like CTRL-SPACE or so. Ask in #xfce how this is done. Have you had a look at the keyboard settings in XFCE? |
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| 23:50.33 | themill | LimCore: you seem to now have a boat anchor running debian, so I can't see why not. |
| 23:50.47 | abrotman | it's a virtual boat anchor |
| 23:50.57 | babilen | ilembitov: I am not aware of a program like setxkbmap that will switch between a given set of layouts |
| 23:51.01 | themill | ahh, the lightweight variety |
| 23:51.16 | ilembitov | babilen: I just solved the problem. It wasn't in the Keyboard settings, it was an applet, damn it |
| 23:51.20 | themill | ilembitov: various desktop environments have that. |
| 23:51.55 | babilen | ilembitov: Yeah - Good it is solved now. Have fun! |
| 23:52.08 | LimCore | yey, I fixed dpkg. |
| 23:52.24 | ilembitov | babilen: thank you! |
| 23:52.31 | babilen | ilembitov: :-) |
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| 23:56.33 | HellMind | themill, I can make it simplier, I just login as root, I do su joe , screen, and I get "Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/3' - please check.". i tried the url you pass me but it doesnt work :( |
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| 23:59.41 | HellMind | I need a trully su command, that creates another pts |
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