| 00:00.22 | HellMind | Or I just login with the 200 users to do a darn screen -r -_- |
| 00:00.28 | antii | Uh... What Debian release would be good for a laptop computer (Thinkpad X41) used for writing docs, web, chat? |
| 00:00.41 | HellMind | how is that being root I cant screen -r joe.tty.1 |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | antii: try lenny, if it doesn't work, try squeeze (squeeze is more buggy, being 'testing' currently) |
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| 00:01.32 | antii | abrotman: Stable seems good but how about the packages? Can I add another mirror so I can get more new packages but still "safe" ones? |
| 00:01.33 | abrotman | antii: more important would be the age of your laptop |
| 00:01.39 | abrotman | !tell antii about bpo |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | antii: only some packages are there |
| 00:02.02 | antii | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:02.13 | abrotman | antii: so it would depend what you're looking for |
| 00:02.22 | antii | A stable system |
| 00:02.48 | antii | I have tried Archlinux, and I have been running debian on my server since 4.0 but I wanna try it on a laptop |
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| 00:03.01 | abrotman | antii: i have it on three laptops here |
| 00:03.08 | antii | abrotman: right ok |
| 00:03.15 | antii | hmm, might give it a try.. |
| 00:03.34 | karme | also a debian laptop user |
| 00:03.47 | karme | syntax error |
| 00:03.48 | hayleyw | i'm on a dell mini running debian. i dont know why people use anything other than debian, ever :P |
| 00:03.59 | streuner_ | antii: check out <laptop> too |
| 00:04.04 | nevyn | has a eeepc 900b running debian |
| 00:04.06 | antii | streuner_: huh? |
| 00:04.13 | abrotman | streuner_: you do realize he doesn't know what the bot is ? |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | !tell antii about laptop |
| 00:04.16 | streuner_ | antii: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 00:04.36 | antii | ahh... |
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| 00:04.49 | karme | ah many laptop users => i try again: in current squeeze bluetooth now is switched on, on boot - with a thinkpad that is. any hints how to fix that? maybe bug # ? |
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| 00:05.16 | antii | abrotman: I'll give stable a try! |
| 00:05.16 | streuner_ | bt is a different story |
| 00:05.21 | karme | expected behaviour: remember power state or leave bluetooth off |
| 00:05.23 | abrotman | karme: i noticed that today .. |
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| 00:05.44 | abrotman | karme: you could have an init script unload the module ? |
| 00:05.51 | karme | abrotman: change in behaviour happened today? |
| 00:06.00 | abrotman | karme: no, it's been on for ages |
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| 00:06.20 | karme | abrotman: ah i see - i want to get it fixed - squeeze should not ship like that |
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| 00:06.36 | abrotman | karme: to not auto-load modules ? |
| 00:06.55 | karme | abrotman: no to enable bluetooth on each boot on a default install |
| 00:07.10 | abrotman | karme: it's not discoverable by default .. |
| 00:07.10 | karme | abrotman: do you have a thinkpad too? |
| 00:07.23 | HellMind | i need a way to change the permission of my dev/pts/x on login |
| 00:07.27 | abrotman | karme: two |
| 00:07.38 | karme | abrotman: is its thinkpad-acpi's fault? |
| 00:07.45 | antii | Uh.. Don't I need a .img file for installing debian from usbstick? :/ |
| 00:07.54 | abrotman | karme: don't have tha tinstalled |
| 00:07.57 | abrotman | !tell antii about usb instlal |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | !tell antii about usb install |
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| 00:08.18 | antii | that bot knows everything |
| 00:08.52 | abrotman | karme: i think the easier thing might be to unload the modules at boot time .. but not really sure |
| 00:08.53 | streuner_ | antii: it wasnt the bot who told you |
| 00:09.03 | abrotman | streuner_: i think he gets that .. |
| 00:09.08 | abrotman | sends streuner_ to baltimore |
| 00:09.14 | streuner_ | haha |
| 00:09.20 | streuner_ | no, thanks |
| 00:09.20 | antii | abrotman: hmm, but can I do this from windows or do I need a unix system? |
| 00:09.29 | hiwk | my X freezes, /var/log/messages says "i915: Waking up sleeping processes" and then "reboot required". Intel graphics, debian testing. Is there a known workaround? |
| 00:09.35 | abrotman | antii: i've never done it from windows |
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| 00:09.47 | antii | abrotman: suppose i can do it from my server via ssh |
| 00:09.47 | hiwk | pretty sure it is bug #566617 |
| 00:10.01 | abrotman | antii: okay .. |
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| 00:11.50 | karme | abrotman: i will watch that |
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| 00:13.02 | doobious | Hello, I just installed the base system for stable, I wasn't able to install the desktop package since my network wasn't on the right interface, now I've boot in and have networking up and running, how would I continue the install, to install the standard debian desktop package. I've been looking around and I just can't seem to find what I'm looking for. |
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| 00:13.26 | abrotman | doobious: which desktop do you want ? |
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| 00:13.45 | doobious | The standard one that debian will install when doing a net install |
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| 00:13.57 | amphi | karme: or set the thinkpad_acpi module bluetooth option? |
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| 00:14.29 | abrotman | doobious: that's gnome .. is that what you want ? |
| 00:14.52 | abrotman | amphi: it has options ? |
| 00:15.14 | doobious | yah, I installed it on another desktop, looks really slick. I myself run ratpoison, but this is for someone else. I like it alot better then Ubuntus look |
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| 00:16.17 | abrotman | doobious: so use tasksel .. choose the desktop task .. or use `aptitude install gnome xorg gdm` |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | wonders what life would be like without a "." key .. |
| 00:16.53 | amphi | abrotman: many; in this case, try modprobe thinkpad_acpi bluetooth=enable (or disable) |
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| 00:17.51 | abrotman | amphi: no way .. my laptop has more lights on this way .. /me turns on the thinklight |
| 00:18.03 | amphi | heheh |
| 00:18.04 | doobious | Ok, I see, then it will give me the debian look with gnome by default. That's what I'm looking for, sure is nice to get some help once and awhile. Thanks alot abrotman... |
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| 00:18.16 | AlanF | anyone got a good online feed of the superbowl? I don't get CBS here and I tried googling but keep landing in spam holes. Thanks for any links |
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| 00:22.41 | abrotman | AlanF: maybe ##superbowl ? |
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| 00:26.56 | bigzed | AlanF: you can watch it on ARD, german tv |
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| 00:27.48 | AlanF | online? |
| 00:27.56 | AlanF | do you have a url for it please? |
| 00:28.26 | streuner_ | AlanF: s(he) meant television... |
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| 00:28.46 | streuner_ | there is prolly no online stream in german TV yet |
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| 00:31.09 | abrotman | AlanF: maybe ##superbowl ? |
| 00:32.18 | ymas | hello everyone, I've compiled swftools 0.9.0 from source on Debian Lenny (used checkinstall -D), however when I convert some files from pdf to swf, I'm getting a SIGFPE. I have been able to convert the files successfully on other distros using a different version of the freetype library, they report some approximations are being made to fonts. |
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| 00:33.27 | hayleyw | ymas, wine works with swftools. used it just last week to convert a pdf to swf |
| 00:33.45 | hayleyw | just fyi |
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| 00:35.45 | ymas | when I run the program using gdb, the following is the last line of output: 0x00007f402fa0504f in ?? () from /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 |
| 00:36.53 | stuckey | What's a good usenet reader? |
| 00:37.41 | themill | stuckey: knode |
| 00:38.48 | ymas | hayleyw: thanks for the suggestion, however, wine would add overhead for me. |
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| 00:41.22 | abrotman | stuckey: thunderbird and evolution can also read news |
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| 00:47.31 | dyek | Hi! parted command: "resize NUMBER START END" gave me this "Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled." I suspect that this is caused by Ubuntu's (Debian's?) FS utility cannot deal with ext_attr. Is that the case? Is there anything I can do to use Ubuntu (don't have a Fedora system near me at this time) to resize a Fedora-based thumbdrive larger? |
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| 00:49.40 | bleepbloop | I don't think I have the right drivers installed for my nvidia card, would it be best to use the free drivers or the non-free drivers? |
| 00:49.57 | streuner_ | nv doesnt support 3d |
| 00:50.02 | TTT | hi, i did a sid upgrade and it messed up my grub2 (grub-pc), any ideas how to get that fixed? |
| 00:50.14 | streuner_ | TTT: look at BTS |
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| 00:51.21 | babilen | !tell TTT -about fixmbr |
| 00:52.13 | TTT | babilen: i'll try that |
| 00:52.16 | streuner_ | TTT: another option would be, just use lilo |
| 00:52.19 | bleepbloop | streuner_: okay? I thought the free drivers didn't, but the non-free did support 3d? |
| 00:52.28 | TTT | grub was working just fine until today |
| 00:52.29 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 00:53.08 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 567637 |
| 00:53.12 | dpkg | #567637:G[grub-pc] grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem -- fails to boot from ext3 (); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:30:02 UTC [567618] |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | TTT: like that ? |
| 00:53.27 | TTT | abrotman: i think that was what I saw on upgrade |
| 00:53.42 | bleepbloop | streuner_: I'm just a super noob, sorry :-P |
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| 00:54.05 | pyther | Hi |
| 00:54.08 | TTT | i am running ext3 |
| 00:54.21 | pyther | I have an eth0 alias, how can I set eth0 as the default gw |
| 00:54.23 | dvs | hence why it wont work |
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| 00:56.01 | streuner_ | bleepbloop: just /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:56.32 | streuner_ | bleepbloop: the wiki about is very useful |
| 00:56.57 | bleepbloop | yeah, I'm sifting my way through it right now |
| 00:57.05 | TTT | abrotman: yup, everything is as described in #567618 |
| 00:57.22 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 00:58.09 | craigevil | TTT: downgrade to the version of grub-pc in testing, or if you trust the sidux devs use the package in their repo |
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| 00:59.01 | TTT | i'll wait a couple of days, if grub isn't fixed by then i'll downgrade |
| 01:00.11 | dark | I have followed the bot instructions for building nvidia proprietary driver from sid (i am on testing), but it is still trying to build for the lenny kernel |
| 01:00.35 | dark | the instructions are these: |
| 01:00.36 | dark | <dpkg> themill wants you to know: non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDri |
| 01:00.37 | dark | vers. |
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| 01:01.10 | dark | i am stuck in the m-a a-i nvidia part |
| 01:01.16 | themill | dark what's "uname -r" say? |
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| 01:01.26 | dark | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 01:01.49 | dark | ok, no, it is building for 2.6.32 .. |
| 01:01.51 | dark | and failing |
| 01:02.07 | themill | dark: and "dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-source | tail -1"? |
| 01:02.22 | dark | ii nvidia-kernel-source 190.53-1 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 01:02.42 | dark | hmm.. it should be 173 |
| 01:02.49 | themill | no, 190 is good. |
| 01:02.58 | themill | ,versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 01:02.59 | dark | not here (geforce 5200 fx) |
| 01:03.00 | judd | nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-1 |
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| 01:03.16 | dark | sid doesn't have 173.x ..? |
| 01:03.20 | dark | hmm.. |
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| 01:03.34 | themill | dark: can you pastebin the actual build log? |
| 01:03.38 | dark | yes |
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| 01:06.02 | dark | well, ok, I can't find the log, but scrolling to the bottom it says "please do module-assistant clean nvidia" |
| 01:06.42 | dark | but i guess 190 will not work for me. 173.14.09-5 from squeeze will not install? |
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| 01:07.45 | hiwk | I seem to suffer from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566617 . What can I do to circumvent the problem? Is there a fix somewhere? |
| 01:07.57 | \amethyst | dark: Package nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source |
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| 01:10.56 | streuner_ | hiwk: it would be in the BTS/package if a fix exist... |
| 01:11.24 | fireun | so now that I've got a partition with a debootstrap'd install... what is the best way to "move" this to my "old" system partition? mkfs the old partition and cp -R seems like it may be risky and may not "get" everything?? |
| 01:11.35 | craigevil | hiwk: might try http://ikibiki.org//blog/2010/01/08/Xorg_tricks_for_Intel_users/ |
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| 01:14.01 | dark | \amethyst, thank you. will i need to remove the 190. module that was compiled? (also, will i compile with m-a a-i nvidia too?) |
| 01:14.08 | fireun | I'm currently running the new install, maybe dd if /dev/<partition> of=<dest partition> would work? |
| 01:14.23 | fireun | any thoughts would be helpful |
| 01:14.41 | dark | m-a a-i nvidia is building 190.. |
| 01:14.41 | streuner_ | in order to do what? |
| 01:14.42 | \amethyst | dark: probably m-a a-i nvidia-legacy-173 or something like that but I'm not certain |
| 01:15.06 | \amethyst | dark: you can have both installed at the same time, as long as you don't load both... it might be good |
| 01:16.19 | hiwk | craigevil: I'll try that, thanks |
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| 01:18.16 | dark | m-a list fould something, i tried m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source (this is the name of the package..), well, it seemed i was lucky, but it says |
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| 01:18.30 | dark | "trying to overwrite '/lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko', which is also in package nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-trunk-686 0:190.53-1+2.6.32-5" |
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| 01:19.06 | hayleyw | dark, force it. sudo dpkg --force-all -i package.deb |
| 01:19.49 | bleepbloop | cd is to change directory, amirite? |
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| 01:20.06 | dark | it's not better to remove the old package?.. (i am trying to remove nvidia-kernel-source, and aptitude also wants to remove the packages i need to build the module..) |
| 01:20.31 | dark | no, i removed it now |
| 01:20.47 | adb | m-a clean all ? |
| 01:20.52 | dark | maybe because i installed -173 (that also depends on the same packages) |
| 01:20.53 | dark | hm |
| 01:21.07 | Tramp | bleepbloop: "help cd" tells you, what it does |
| 01:21.27 | bleepbloop | when i type 'man cd' it there's no entry for cd |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | there wouldn't be |
| 01:22.20 | bleepbloop | why not? |
| 01:22.26 | hayleyw | because it's too simple for one |
| 01:22.44 | dark | cd is a shell builtin |
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| 01:23.37 | streuner_ | bleepbloop: well, just get an basic book about *unix |
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| 01:24.19 | dark | I did m-a clean all, and removed the nvidia-kernel-source (that is 190.), and tried again: http://paste.debian.net/59082/ , same error message. how can I remove the old module? (clean isn't doing this) |
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| 01:24.40 | bleepbloop | streuner_: I just got one from the library :-P |
| 01:24.57 | dark | maybe m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source isn't the right command |
| 01:24.59 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:25.02 | hayleyw | dark, just do sudo dpkg --force-all -i /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-2.6.32-trunk-686_173.14.22-1+2.6.32-5_i386.deb |
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| 01:25.19 | dark | ok.. |
| 01:25.27 | dark | how about the old module? i will just forget it? |
| 01:25.39 | DynamicPink | the last update broke my wireless connection. |
| 01:25.50 | dark | well i maybe should do aptitude remove nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 01:26.10 | nsadmin | force? be careful about using force. |
| 01:26.39 | nsadmin | you're MUCH better off figuring out how not to force dpkg, and that involves finding out what the real problems are |
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| 01:27.19 | dark | ... ok, i forced, but then i noted that removing the package i will not need would be nicer. then i reinstalled the package i want (I don't know if dpkg removed the file that is referenced by both packages) |
| 01:27.31 | dark | nsadmin, yes, i was trying to figure this |
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| 01:28.42 | DynamicPink | The wireless security tab wants a password. Is that the WPA key? |
| 01:28.53 | stuckey | themill: Thanks - I tried icedove too and it seems nice. |
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| 01:34.04 | DynamicPink | Any clues on restarting my wireless connection. It seems that WPA Supplicant is no longer connecting. |
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| 01:35.57 | DEbiansqueeze | DynamicPink /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | andif he's using network-manager? |
| 01:36.55 | DEbiansqueeze | just got that bad boy today so ill have to check into that |
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| 01:37.37 | DEbiansqueeze | maybe |
| 01:37.49 | DEbiansqueeze | maybe /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
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| 01:39.12 | dark | I want to install a package, but it, summed to all its dependencies, is big for me (92mb), can I see a listing of how big is each dependency? like a du -h (or, can I see how big a certain uninstalled package will be, after decompression?) |
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| 01:41.43 | bleepbloop | in the device section of my xorg.conf file, there isn't a driver specified. how do i specify a driver? |
| 01:42.36 | dark | Driver "name" |
| 01:43.13 | dark | man xorg.conf |
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| 01:45.01 | karlpinc | dark: aptitude show foo shows the uncompressed size of "foo". |
| 01:45.11 | bleepbloop | I'm looking at that, but im not sure how to go about actually editing the file |
| 01:46.23 | karlpinc | dark: Have you done an "aptitude clean" to clear out the apt cache? That can suck up a lot of space, relative to 92MB. |
| 01:46.24 | abrotman | bleepbloop: you do not |
| 01:46.58 | bleepbloop | could I just type 'cd /etc/X11' and then 'Xorg -configure' ? |
| 01:47.06 | dark | karlpinc, my /var/cache/apt is on an ramdisk .-. and yes i am cleaning the cache in a regular basis |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | bleepbloop: you don't need to do that .. why do you think you need to? |
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| 01:47.56 | bleepbloop | because x11 isnt set up correctly |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | stop being vague |
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| 01:48.23 | bleepbloop | I'm trying to find the exact error message, chillax man |
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| 01:49.12 | bleepbloop | i get a 'Caught signal 11. Server aborting' |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | that's not the real error |
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| 01:49.48 | dark | karlpinc, this is a good start. I am temped in parsing the list of required dependencies, then doing aptitude show on each of them, then parsing this, then sorting..... the kind of shell script that could be fun to do but pointless if there is already a tool for doing this |
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| 01:50.12 | abrotman | bleepbloop: and that's a segfault .. 50/50 hardware problem |
| 01:50.14 | dark | (I reality I will just give up and install it.. but I want something to blame this 92mb, it's an absurd! =~ ) |
| 01:50.35 | bleepbloop | sorry, I'm a super noob, so I don't really understand |
| 01:50.46 | winpro | hi can someone help me with me win xp arp cache problem? |
| 01:51.02 | dark | winpro, (you are in the wrong channel) |
| 01:51.04 | winpro | in my win xp pro how can i protect my arp cahe?= |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | winpro: ask ##windows |
| 01:51.08 | winpro | cache? |
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| 01:51.24 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:51.40 | winpro | debian is part of windows user management, isn't it? |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | winpro: ask ##windows |
| 01:51.58 | dark | winpro, it is a joke, isn't it? |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | winpro: you're offtopic in this channel, if you need help with windows, go to ##windows |
| 01:52.24 | hayleyw | dark, hush |
| 01:52.49 | winpro | yes it was joke, just kidding :) |
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| 01:53.13 | __klamath__ | Winpro: are you a fake ? |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | move on |
| 01:53.36 | winpro | no i really have a problem with my sucking winxp |
| 01:53.42 | dark | i guess not many people laughed, but as a matter of fact i am smiling :) |
| 01:53.52 | winpro | but i know i'm now at the wrong channel |
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| 01:54.33 | abrotman | winpro: You've been silenced for 10 minutes (along wiht asdlol) for being offtopic |
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| 01:55.42 | pyther | Does dhcp3 respond to dhcp requests on all NICs? |
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| 01:56.14 | abrotman | pyther: not by default i don't think .. |
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| 01:56.37 | pyther | abrotman: which interface does it respond to then? |
| 01:56.43 | abrotman | pyther: look at the config |
| 01:57.37 | pyther | abrotman: where can I find the default config, DRBL overwrote the defaults |
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| 02:00.07 | LimCore | if I by hand messed with mysql database storage, how to let debian reset/recreate password for his system-maintaince mysql user? |
| 02:00.27 | abrotman | the what ? |
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| 02:00.46 | abrotman | pyther: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:02.17 | LimCore | abrotman: mysql user of debian-system-mainaince |
| 02:02.41 | HellMind | i need a way to change the permission of my dev/pts/x on login |
| 02:02.54 | abrotman | LimCore: wasn't referring to you |
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| 02:03.51 | LimCore | HellMind: perhaps some script in users bashrc or something |
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| 02:06.45 | just_0x0 | I'm trying to compile the vloopback device module. But when I type make, make enters /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-common instead of /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 02:07.12 | just_0x0 | and then it fails complaining ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. |
| 02:09.16 | hayleyw | just_0x0, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:10.24 | just_0x0 | hayleyw: I already have then installed. |
| 02:11.06 | just_0x0 | the problem is that the kernel module makefile it going into the wrong directory (or at least that is what it seems) |
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| 02:11.43 | abrotman | just_0x0: couldn't you just symlink it ? |
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| 02:12.29 | abrotman | or install the linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-common |
| 02:12.45 | hayleyw | wouldnt -common be installed with linux-headers-`uname -r`? |
| 02:12.46 | just_0x0 | abrotman: I already have it isnstalled. |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | hayleyw: just making sure |
| 02:13.45 | just_0x0 | and symlink those 2 particular files? that seems like it would break further into the build process. I mean, it seems it's not searching in the proper place. |
| 02:16.51 | oggei | moin |
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| 02:19.24 | just_0x0 | This is the error log http://pastebin.com/d18749dd0 |
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| 02:19.43 | just_0x0 | It also says Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it Is it safe to do this? |
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| 02:20.42 | just_0x0 | won't it break anything else? |
| 02:20.43 | iluminator101 | how do i setup linksys router with westell 6100, i cant seem to figure it out |
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| 02:21.18 | streuner_ | iluminator101: by reading the manual? |
| 02:21.43 | iluminator101 | i did that |
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| 02:22.07 | LimCore_ | "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini" |
| 02:22.15 | LimCore_ | how to get dpkg to replace this bloody config file |
| 02:22.40 | streuner_ | option --reinstall in dpkg or apt-get? |
| 02:23.20 | LimCore_ | aptitude reinstall didnt seem to work |
| 02:23.26 | LimCore_ | I assume its the same as above |
| 02:23.45 | streuner_ | LimCore, just purge it and --reinstall it |
| 02:23.53 | streuner_ | if its possible |
| 02:24.19 | streuner_ | lots of headaches, thats no fun |
| 02:25.59 | streuner_ | would just backup important data and try to use debootstrap, if that doesnt work, just buy/reinstall that thingie |
| 02:26.38 | dark | really: you don't need to burn a new media, and reboot to it, LimCore_ |
| 02:27.17 | LimCore_ | almost done here, only bloody dpkg doesnt want to recreate php config |
| 02:27.31 | LimCore_ | but no problem, there are of course other ways to set this |
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| 02:28.01 | LimCore_ | smashes dpkg dont-want-to-overwrite-deletec-config-file with a oh-thats-so-thoughtfull-of-you-thanks sladgehammer |
| 02:28.45 | dark | you can unpack the package |
| 02:28.49 | dark | and cp the file |
| 02:28.54 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 02:28.54 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 02:30.12 | nsadmin | dark: that works when the config is in the tarball, but not when it's generated |
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| 02:30.31 | LimCore_ | \amethyst: it would be nice to append "use --force-confmiss to overwrite" to the message "not replacing deleted config" |
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| 02:30.41 | hn8456 | hello all |
| 02:31.03 | hn8456 | can I use experimental repositories in my unstable system ? |
| 02:31.12 | dbbolton | how can i store my zsh aliases in a file other than .zshrc? |
| 02:31.18 | streuner_ | sure, but only if you are insane or you know what you doing |
| 02:31.37 | hayleyw | hn8456, you can. you probably shouldnt, but you can |
| 02:31.41 | nsadmin | streuner_, aren't those one and the same? |
| 02:32.03 | streuner_ | nsadmin: no, not in every case |
| 02:32.35 | hn8456 | hayleyw, oh |
| 02:34.07 | dark | hn8456, I have learned the trick today: you put APT::Default-Release "unstable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf and then put both sid and experimental repositories in sources.list .. so everything you install will be from sid by default, unless you do aptitude install -t experimental package |
| 02:34.51 | hayleyw | it wont install from experimental regardless if you dont use -t |
| 02:35.21 | hn8456 | dark, i see |
| 02:36.03 | LimCore_ | that confmiss factoid appearst to be incorrect |
| 02:36.12 | hn8456 | how i list packages in a repository ? |
| 02:36.22 | dark | A question: if I put APT::Default-Release "testing"; on apt.conf and put squeeze on source.list, will apt get confused? |
| 02:36.51 | hayleyw | dark, no |
| 02:37.01 | LimCore_ | !confmiss solution does not work: http://pastebin.ca/1789705 |
| 02:37.02 | streuner_ | hn8456: it might be better if you tell us what kind of feature you need/want |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | dark: uhm, i think it does |
| 02:38.06 | hn8456 | streenz, i want to see the list name of packages of a repository |
| 02:38.25 | streuner_ | all of them? no idea |
| 02:38.25 | hn8456 | streenz, using command of course |
| 02:38.41 | hayleyw | hn8456, ever heard of packages.debian.org? :P |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | nice tab completion ... |
| 02:38.57 | LimCore_ | would anyone mind fixing !confmiss factoid? |
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| 02:39.14 | hn8456 | hayleyw, :D |
| 02:39.24 | abrotman | LimCore_: it's not broken |
| 02:39.55 | LimCore_ | abrotman: my paste pictures that it did not worked as described |
| 02:40.36 | streuner_ | hn8456: do you want only the latest stuff of Debian? |
| 02:41.03 | hn8456 | streenz, yes |
| 02:41.03 | dbbolton | dark you will occasionally get a warning about an unavailable target release |
| 02:41.27 | hn8456 | streenz, i want to use the latest version of packages |
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| 02:41.49 | hn8456 | streenz, but i don't like compiling :P |
| 02:42.19 | hayleyw | he must be drunk |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | hn8456: stop highlighting the wrong guy |
| 02:43.03 | dark | hn8456, but experimental will not offer this to you |
| 02:43.14 | abrotman | experimental is not a version of debian you can run by itself |
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| 02:43.27 | dark | you might want to use a distribution that does less packaging work (i.e. offer "pure" apps) |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | and really .. if anyone is asking these types of questions .. they shuldn't be running unstable either |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:43.33 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. <sid upgrade test> |
| 02:43.37 | streuner_ | hn8456: experimental is the playground of DDs, its not a good idea to use that |
| 02:43.54 | dark | they tend to have a faster packaging cycle (a example would be arch) |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | dark: please stop, you're going to mess up his machine |
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| 02:44.52 | dark | sorry. i am not recommending him to use other distro :P i am just saying that debian doesn't offer what he wants |
| 02:45.13 | hn8456 | ok |
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| 02:55.53 | LimCore_ | streuner_: hayleyw you know what? |
| 02:56.01 | LimCore_ | does the in-your-faces-dance o/ |
| 02:56.14 | streuner_ | no way! |
| 02:56.24 | LimCore_ | apt-show-versions | grep -v lenny | wc -l |
| 02:56.25 | LimCore_ | 0 |
| 02:56.44 | LimCore_ | downgrade successfull, and all works, including DBs, configs, webpages etc |
| 02:56.59 | LimCore_ | thanks for help :) although this was in fact very time consuming ;) |
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| 03:01.00 | archboxman | hello finished install of debian :) |
| 03:01.28 | archboxman | Question why do I have to do a manual setup of wireless network??? |
| 03:02.38 | LimCore_ | because debian is not ubuntu? |
| 03:02.42 | LimCore_ | runs <_< |
| 03:02.49 | archboxman | LimCore_: lol |
| 03:03.15 | archboxman | LimCore_: how to scan for wireless network?? |
| 03:03.23 | LimCore_ | archboxman: recent enough versions of network monitor applet (i.e. in gnome) should help a lot, also for WiFis and G3s/GSM |
| 03:03.27 | hayleyw | iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 03:03.57 | simonrvn | aptitude install wicd iwconfig |
| 03:04.00 | archboxman | tx |
| 03:04.15 | archboxman | apt-get install wicd iwconfig |
| 03:04.25 | archboxman | I don't use aptitude |
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| 03:04.39 | hayleyw | it's not iwconfig. it's wireless-tools |
| 03:04.52 | archboxman | ok |
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| 03:05.53 | archboxman | Whats with the installation why do you have to be connected to the internet??? the dvd iso was only a livecd no installation??? |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | you don't have to be |
| 03:06.08 | simonrvn | hayleyw: thanks |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | archboxman: you sohuld use aptitude |
| 03:06.18 | archboxman | no apt-get |
| 03:06.28 | simonrvn | sighs loudly |
| 03:06.35 | archboxman | I will give a link if want it on aptitude vs apt-get |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | archboxman: that's just *dumb* |
| 03:06.52 | simonrvn | !why aptitude |
| 03:06.53 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 03:07.09 | archboxman | simonrvn: stop you link |
| 03:07.20 | simonrvn | what? |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | archboxman: if you already know everything, why bother asking us |
| 03:07.23 | archboxman | simonrvn: so you can read it for yourself |
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| 03:07.30 | LimCore_ | !ask |
| 03:07.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:07.39 | archboxman | abrotman: good idea bye |
| 03:07.41 | simonrvn | shakes his head |
| 03:07.44 | archboxman | :( |
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| 03:08.03 | LimCore_ | another happy user wellcommed by the supportive community ;) |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | he didn't want support |
| 03:08.59 | DogBoy | he was doing a bit of trolling |
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| 03:12.27 | pyther | Has anyone used DRBL/Clonezilla before? |
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| 03:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | pyther: Um, DRBL? I've used Clonezilla. |
| 03:17.40 | Gnewt | I've got an Ubuntu 9.10 install running on an ext4 LVM partition. I want to reduce that partition by 100GB, set up a 5GB Debian Xen dom0, and use the rest of the 95GB for virtualized machines. What's the best way to do this? |
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| 03:17.57 | pyther | Yah DRBL is allows you to pxe boot into a clozezilla environment and basically do a multicast |
| 03:17.59 | jhutchins_lt | Last I checked DRBL was Distributed Relaying Black List. |
| 03:18.20 | pyther | DRBL (Diskless Remote Boot in Linux) |
| 03:18.33 | jhutchins_lt | Gnewt: Back up existing data, repartition and restore. |
| 03:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | pyther: Ah, yeah, last I checked the documentation on that was disasterously incomplete and if you followed it, it didn't work. |
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| 03:19.44 | pyther | jhutchins_lt: I got it to work, but I'm trying to figure out how to make it work with vlans |
| 03:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | pyther: Their primary language is not english. |
| 03:19.59 | pyther | A task that I fear might be highly complicated if not at all possible |
| 03:20.15 | jhutchins_lt | pyther: What time zone are you in? |
| 03:20.22 | pyther | EST (-5) |
| 03:21.05 | Gnewt | jhutchins_lt: Too much data to back up... I don't have another drive. |
| 03:21.11 | jhutchins_lt | pyther: Ping me about 16:00 GMT tomorrow, I'm pretty good with vlans, we can trade notes. |
| 03:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | Gnewt: Well, you did ask for best. |
| 03:21.38 | Gnewt | Ah true ;) |
| 03:21.50 | Gnewt | What's the way to do it if I don't want to delete any current data? |
| 03:21.55 | jhutchins_lt | Gnewt: Given that you risk loosing data, gparted should be able to shift the existing data, albeit slowly. |
| 03:22.09 | simonrvn | 'losing' |
| 03:22.32 | Gnewt | jhutchins_lt: Can't I just reduce my current partition, make new ones, and install Debian to them? |
| 03:22.56 | nsadmin | Gnewt you'd have a lot of work ahead of you if you don't have a spare drive or additional free space |
| 03:23.20 | Gnewt | nsadmin: I have about 500GB of free space on this 1TB drive. |
| 03:23.30 | pyther | jhutchins_lt: unfortantly I'm busy then, but here is a forum post about what I'm trying to figure out: https://sourceforge.net/projects/clonezilla/forums/forum/799287/topic/3546296 |
| 03:23.38 | nsadmin | maybe not so much work then... |
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| 03:23.46 | gewt | okay |
| 03:23.49 | gewt | this is odd |
| 03:23.52 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: For some reason I find myself typing alliterative words lately - sometimes associative. |
| 03:23.57 | Gnewt | I want to make my current partition 900GB and have it just store media, then install Debian as a Xen dom0 on a 5GB partition, using the rest of the space for domUs. |
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| 03:24.03 | gewt | I plug in my headphones |
| 03:24.05 | jhutchins_lt | Gnewt: Yeah, you can do that. |
| 03:24.14 | gewt | yet sound still comes out of the laptop speakers. |
| 03:24.15 | Gnewt | Great |
| 03:24.16 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: aaw |
| 03:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: It's interesting. |
| 03:24.36 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: sometimes i make dumb mistakes like that too |
| 03:24.52 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Yeah, but it's kinda consistent. Weird. |
| 03:25.02 | nsadmin | Gnewt so you have 100gb partition full of data, right? |
| 03:25.06 | simonrvn | it's a phase ;) |
| 03:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Followed by senility and death, yeah, I know. Comes with the territory. |
| 03:25.38 | Gnewt | nsadmin: No, I currently have a 1TB partition (ext4 in LVM) with around 500GB of data. |
| 03:26.13 | nsadmin | what are you going to do with it? |
| 03:26.28 | nsadmin | how large is the PV? |
| 03:27.00 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: it does, like grey hair |
| 03:27.20 | Gnewt | nsadmin: I want to make it a 900GB partition. The PV is 1TB (well, 931.27GB to be exact) |
| 03:27.36 | simonrvn | s,grey,grey/white, |
| 03:27.57 | nsadmin | so you want to reduce it by about 50 mb or so |
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| 03:28.17 | Gnewt | er, GB? |
| 03:28.33 | nsadmin | oh wait, you want 100g of free space? |
| 03:28.38 | Gnewt | yes |
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| 03:28.54 | nsadmin | so you really want to reduce it by 105g? |
| 03:29.24 | Gnewt | Yeah |
| 03:29.36 | nsadmin | ok, so how important is the data on the drive? |
| 03:30.14 | Gnewt | Fairly important ;). I think maybe I'll just get another 1TB drive because I need it anyways |
| 03:30.14 | nsadmin | the thing is it should work... but if it doesn't, the consequences are rangey |
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| 03:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | This is why terrabyte drives are Bad Things. |
| 03:30.54 | jhutchins_lt | People who buy them almost ALWAYS can not afford proper backup. |
| 03:31.05 | nsadmin | this is why 100g drives are bad things... since you can't back them up |
| 03:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Yeah, same story, 'nother vers. |
| 03:31.22 | jhutchins_lt | e. |
| 03:31.30 | Gnewt | The 1TB is neccessity, not just something I wanted. I have a lot of media. |
| 03:31.45 | jhutchins_lt | Gnewt: Backup is necessity. |
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| 03:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | Gnewt: Hardware fails. |
| 03:31.58 | nsadmin | then perhaps you should consider spending on backup solution |
| 03:32.24 | Gnewt | yeah, I think I will. |
| 03:33.09 | jhutchins_lt | So... I needed do replace a backup solution for a server I built a year ago. Turned out it was cheaper to buy five drives bigger than the original drive and do a rotation with them than it was to buy the original drives. |
| 03:33.51 | Vasistha | I'm looking for a simple command that can convert % hex codes (as used in internet addresses) back to normal characters. e.g. command "1%2f5" -> 1/5 |
| 03:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Doing it in your head is not an option? |
| 03:34.34 | simonrvn | bah, you're geekier than i am ;) |
| 03:34.35 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: not when I have to do 40 of them |
| 03:35.18 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: and... even if it was only one, I don't know that shit off the top of my head. Tell, me, what's %3D ? |
| 03:35.33 | jhutchins_lt | I learned multibase math at an impressionable age. |
| 03:35.46 | nsadmin | is it possible to tell a xen hypervisor to reboot the dom0? |
| 03:35.54 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: if you have to look it up, I could type a command faster. It's not about multibase math, it's about having the ascii chart memorized. |
| 03:36.33 | nooper | Vasistha: havn't used it myself, but http://snipplr.com/view/7975/urldecode/ |
| 03:36.48 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Sorry, just making light, hoping to vamp until someone who knows the code comes on-line. |
| 03:37.00 | jhutchins_lt | There ya go. |
| 03:37.09 | Vasistha | php :) ahh, well, I guess I can do that *sigh* |
| 03:37.17 | Vasistha | nooper: thanks |
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| 03:37.43 | johnson_b | anyone here got a minute that is good with iptables ? |
| 03:37.54 | simonrvn | there might be some cli thingy too (that's not php) |
| 03:38.03 | Vasistha | !tell johnson_b -about ask |
| 03:38.19 | jmarsden | Vasistha: lynx -dump http://urldecode.org?decode=1%2f5 |tail -1 # is another way :) |
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| 03:38.56 | Vasistha | jmarsden: wow, that is even less appealing than the php :D |
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| 03:40.05 | johnson_b | ok my question is kind of lengthy but here it goes is this the correct way to setup nat iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 03:40.08 | johnson_b | iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 03:40.20 | jmarsden | Vasistha: Then write a perl or python script if you want :) |
| 03:40.39 | johnson_b | then if thats correct would that block ports on ppp0 from being open |
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| 03:45.43 | jmarsden | Vasistha: echo 1%2f5 |perl -pe 's/%([a-fA-F0-9]{2,2})/chr(hex($1))/eg;' # Any more appealing? |
| 03:46.11 | Vasistha | jmarsden: actually it is, thanks! I can generally count on perl being installed on a system |
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| 03:46.25 | jmarsden | Vasistha: You're welcome |
| 03:46.57 | Vasistha | jmarsden: well... you did it. You've convinced me to try writing something in perl. I've hoped and prayed this day would never come. |
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| 03:50.58 | pseubodot | I have a USB-based network device; when I plug it in, I want it to be automatically configured for a particular IP, netmask, etc. Strange things happen when I add it to the /etc/network/interfaces file; what's the 'proper' Debian way of doing this? |
| 03:51.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | what strange things? |
| 03:52.02 | abrotman | pseubodot: allow-hotplug <device> .. should owrk IIRC |
| 03:52.28 | pseubodot | well, network-manager seems to think that the (not plugged in) device should be the one I get DNS from, so DNS doesn't work |
| 03:52.35 | pseubodot | abrotman: did that. |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:52.58 | pseubodot | abrotman: tho I had other stanzas below it |
| 03:53.04 | pseubodot | abrotman: (address, netmask) |
| 03:53.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, network-mangler |
| 03:53.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | good luck with it :) |
| 03:53.11 | pseubodot | yeah. that thing. |
| 03:53.14 | johnson_b | pseubodot: when other device runs dhcp could be overwriting /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:53.47 | pseubodot | johnson_b: that would make sense |
| 03:53.49 | johnson_b | dig command will let you test and see what dns server you are using |
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| 03:54.34 | johnson_b | also write down server ip when dns working and see if you can ping with static config |
| 03:54.45 | pseubodot | johnson_b: /etc/resolv.conf ends up only having comments in it, no domain / search / nameserver stanzas. |
| 03:55.08 | abrotman | pseubodot: change the dhcp client config to not request dns from the second device ? |
| 03:55.35 | pseubodot | abrotman: haven't tried that. |
| 03:55.38 | pseubodot | abrotman: thanks for the pointer |
| 03:55.46 | pseubodot | goes to muck about ... |
| 03:55.51 | abrotman | pseubodot: not sure if you can do that per device, but it would be worth looking at |
| 03:56.18 | johnson_b | all else fails write it static to |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | i think he's trying to avoid that . else would have done it already |
| 03:57.49 | johnson_b | idk i took it he didn't notice it was overwriting ... could write script to make changes also |
| 03:57.50 | pseubodot | johnson_b: what abrotman said. :) |
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| 04:00.26 | Vasistha | jmarsden, simonrvn, jhutchins_lt, nooper: ...and, the final product: http://paste.debian.net/59083/ -- decode those horrendous links from facebook... particularly useful when facebook is slow and doesn't do it. |
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| 04:01.53 | pseubodot | hrm |
| 04:01.58 | pseubodot | that seems to ahve done the trick |
| 04:02.18 | pseubodot | I configured the network interface inside n-m's 'edit connections' dialog |
| 04:02.45 | abrotman | gets a cookie! |
| 04:03.10 | pseubodot | and my routes don't appear to be screwed up either |
| 04:03.20 | abrotman | no cookie :( |
| 04:03.23 | pseubodot | abrotman: beer, I owe you a beer. |
| 04:03.31 | abrotman | yay .. canadian beer! |
| 04:03.40 | pseubodot | abrotman: you'll have to come here to Toronto, but when you do, there will be good beer. :) |
| 04:03.57 | abrotman | grr! |
| 04:04.19 | johnson_b | abrotman any idea on iptales ?? |
| 04:04.20 | pseubodot | CanPost / USPS probably wouldn't smile on me sending it through the post ... :) |
| 04:04.40 | abrotman | johnson_b: once upon a time, there was an IP, and he was behind a firewall .. he wanted to get out! |
| 04:05.00 | gauge | Evening all, I want to spice up my ssh login with linuxlogo. Anyone ever done this before? I've read some conflicting information on editing /etc/motd... |
| 04:05.00 | Vasistha | heh |
| 04:05.07 | johnson_b | lol it was a packet behind firewall ;) |
| 04:05.12 | HellMind | how can i get pat pts number? |
| 04:05.42 | Vasistha | maybe you should ask her |
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| 04:05.48 | Vasistha | j/k |
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| 04:07.40 | HellMind | I put chmod 666 `tty` on .bashrc but on login nothing happen :( |
| 04:09.12 | johnson_b | any ideas abrotman about nat and my post above |
| 04:09.34 | abrotman | should i go back and read it ? |
| 04:09.59 | johnson_b | i post back in a min i trying something |
| 04:10.15 | abrotman | johnson_b: it looks roughly okay (i'm about to head out), but #netfilter might be more help |
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| 04:12.33 | stdisease | Anyone having problems mounting/exporting nfs shares with sid lately? |
| 04:14.21 | stdisease | Usually it manifests as denied access or nfs related daemons not starting |
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| 04:16.54 | nsadmin | I would say that no matter what version of debian or linux or unix, if the daemons don't start you can't use nfs |
| 04:17.30 | nsadmin | denied access is a different problem |
| 04:18.16 | binari0 | I was looking for in internet about how to put Imagen in the text mode in ubuntu like suse but I did't find it, somebody can help me I will be so thankful to who can help with that. |
| 04:18.24 | nsadmin | have you checked the bts? it will have any available answers to questions starting |
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| 04:18.32 | nsadmin | anyone haveing problems with... |
| 04:18.33 | binari0 | well I mean in debia |
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| 04:19.38 | stdisease | Well I get a combination of both at different times, nsadmin |
| 04:19.44 | abrotman | binari0: ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 04:20.10 | HellMind | how can avoid chmod 666 `tty` every time I want to screen -r with a diferent user (su)? |
| 04:20.23 | stdisease | At least I know if others are having the same problem then it's less likely Im doing something wrong |
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| 04:22.24 | Vasistha | binari0: First I don't understand your question, and second it appears that you are not using debian so I can't say I'm terribly inclined towards helping. Ask #ubuntu |
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| 04:24.59 | binari0 | this is the point my pc with debian don't have X-windows I have to uses this pc with ubuntu to ask in IRC channel debian |
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| 04:25.46 | DebiansArmy | binari0: whats up? |
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| 04:26.09 | binari0 | sorry by my English |
| 04:26.23 | binari0 | is no so good |
| 04:26.35 | DebiansArmy | Ur fine... jumped in late whats the problem?? |
| 04:27.42 | binari0 | my question is about put picture in the console for example like suse have a picture in the console while is booting |
| 04:28.03 | stdisease | binari0, oh you mean a splash screen |
| 04:28.09 | DebiansArmy | binari0: that is ur splash screen |
| 04:28.15 | binari0 | yes |
| 04:28.36 | DebiansArmy | binari0: in ubuntu or debian |
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| 04:29.03 | binari0 | but how can I do for have it in my cosole after boot |
| 04:29.05 | binari0 | debian |
| 04:29.37 | DebiansArmy | binari0: first did you get X-windows to work?? |
| 04:29.46 | binari0 | no |
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| 04:30.09 | DebiansArmy | binari0: X-windows need to finish first |
| 04:30.49 | DebiansArmy | binari0: can you even boot to gnome or kde or whatever desktop or windows manager your using |
| 04:31.26 | sakitram | I installed Debian lenny in my machine with LXDE as desktop. But last few days, I do not get LXDE desktop, instead I see a black screen only with nothing visible in it, if I right click, some menus appearing as available as for some other desktop. |
| 04:31.40 | sakitram | Please tell me how to get back LXDE desktop in my machine. |
| 04:32.26 | DebiansArmy | sakitram: what does your login screen say change the session your booting into :) |
| 04:32.45 | stdisease | sakitram, sounds like you're booting into openbox |
| 04:32.49 | DebiansArmy | sakitram: thats probably openbox or fluxbox |
| 04:33.32 | DebiansArmy | stdisease: you need to change session at login screen... |
| 04:33.39 | sakitram | I think so |
| 04:34.03 | sakitram | yes, in the Login screen session option I do not see LXDE desktop option also |
| 04:34.29 | stdisease | which display manager are you using? xdm? |
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| 04:34.42 | sakitram | I tried startlxde, startx, etc as said in some forums |
| 04:34.57 | sakitram | I do not know, could you please tell how to find that |
| 04:35.14 | DebiansArmy | locate xdm |
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| 04:35.59 | DebiansArmy | sakitram: what is your loging manager??? that is what we want to know what you choice |
| 04:36.14 | DebiansArmy | ops loging = login |
| 04:36.18 | stdisease | binari0, there are a few options: there's usplash, or splashy |
| 04:36.52 | stdisease | I believe there's also a package called grub-splash , perhaps for before the system is loaded |
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| 04:37.40 | stdisease | neither of them worked for me before but I didnt perhaps try hard enough |
| 04:38.20 | DebiansArmy | binari0: used usplash before it was a pain in the butt to get working |
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| 04:38.48 | DebiansArmy | binari0: shortly afterwords got ride of it :) |
| 04:39.04 | sakitram | for locate xdm, I find some files, around 10 |
| 04:39.19 | sakitram | so I think, I am using XDM login manager |
| 04:39.44 | sakitram | It says, xdmcp6 |
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| 04:41.08 | binari0 | http://168hours.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/suse93-console.jpg |
| 04:41.14 | binari0 | look this picture |
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| 04:42.30 | binari0 | after the splash is load you have a bash with picture in the background |
| 04:42.41 | stdisease | sakitram, well the point is if you are using something more primitive like xdm you're going to have to edit a file in your home dir or maybe modify some symlinks |
| 04:42.51 | binari0 | I want to do that in debian |
| 04:43.01 | stdisease | if you don't want to bother installed kdm or gdm but at the cost of extra packages and dependencies |
| 04:43.12 | stdisease | .. *install |
| 04:44.21 | stdisease | binari0, oooh I remember that trick from back when I used mandriva, but I have absolutely no idea how to do that now |
| 04:44.48 | sakitram | How could it vanish automatically while I did not do any change in filesystem, that I do not understand? |
| 04:45.18 | sakitram | So I get there is an easy way to get it back.. |
| 04:45.36 | sakitram | oh!! get = guess |
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| 04:48.15 | binari0 | I have long time looking for that in internet and I did;t find it, I just need a litter club |
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| 04:52.15 | stdisease | litter club? |
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| 04:52.30 | stdisease | binari0, take a look at http://www.bootsplash.org/ and http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/ |
| 04:52.37 | linuxguy | hi Ive been reading that kubuntu users can get kde 4.3.5 from backports.....they say they are debian backports........can this be done with Lenny at all? |
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| 04:55.42 | stdisease | Aah a reboot is in order, excuse me |
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| 04:57.48 | binari0 | stdisease man yu the best man you the best thank a lot |
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| 05:00.45 | linuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:01.52 | spersaud | linuxguy: kde sucks, use gnome |
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| 05:02.34 | linuxguy | spersaud, gnome sucks for me.....i prefer kde |
| 05:03.41 | spersaud | linuxguy: whatever makes you happy used that, thankfully we have a choice |
| 05:03.47 | spersaud | *use |
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| 05:05.20 | linuxguy | exactly :) |
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| 05:09.30 | linuxguy | now to my original question..........is it possible to install kde 4.3.5 on lenny at all? |
| 05:09.40 | craigevil | linuxguy: no do not mix ubuntu and debian packages, kde 4.3.4 is in sid, only backports for kde4 are unofficial one that has kde4.3.1 for lenny |
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| 05:16.18 | linuxguy | craigevil, hi thanks for that info.......i was only asking because it mentioned debian backports.......when i installed it on kubuntu (and i hate kubuntu!)........i saw /debian/testinf /debian/sid etc |
| 05:17.06 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.06 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 05:21.10 | DebiansArmy | linuxguy: Don't worry we all have to start somewhere :) |
| 05:21.15 | linuxguy | craigevil, hows the devs doing for latest release.....squeeze going? |
| 05:22.06 | craigevil | linuxguy: no clue i run sid, always have, only efct testing freeze has on me is that sid tends to freeze for a while also |
| 05:22.07 | linuxguy | DebiansArmy, what do you mean here? |
| 05:22.35 | linuxguy | craigevil, yes i underssstand |
| 05:23.21 | DebiansArmy | linuxguy: are you using kubuntu or debian??? maybe I misunderstood you |
| 05:23.22 | linuxguy | craigevil, .......like you cant get the updates fro sid? |
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| 05:24.18 | linuxguy | DebiansArmy, i ws merely asking if the repos for kubuntu from kde backports were aaviaalable for lenny |
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| 05:24.30 | linuxguy | >>is using debian here |
| 05:24.33 | BSD-CLI | hi |
| 05:24.44 | DebiansArmy | lol,sorry |
| 05:25.05 | BSD-CLI | Looking for a copy of the Debian New Maintainers' Guide in HTML format (TOC not needed, just need all the info on one HTML page) |
| 05:25.11 | BSD-CLI | Link please |
| 05:25.14 | craigevil | linuxguy: once testing is totally frozen no new packages enter sid either, then when its released a ton of new things hit sid |
| 05:25.25 | DebiansArmy | I want to use google gadgets I don't see it here in lenny??? |
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| 05:26.09 | DebiansArmy | did aptitude search and apt-cache search... do I have to compile code?? |
| 05:27.15 | linuxguy | craigevil, ......yes i understand there |
| 05:27.31 | grendal_prime | hey guys. Im tring to set up a ppp server so i can basically run a small isp for my family business. I found this howto for ubuntu systems. (the sistem im trying to set this up on is an etch system though) I dont want to get two far into this and realize it is not going to work because of some distro specific problem. Also this seems like an awful lot of work. |
| 05:28.02 | grendal_prime | can someone take a look at this...or if they have done this and found some documentation on this stear me in the right direction? |
| 05:28.12 | grendal_prime | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-150339.html |
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| 05:28.46 | DebiansArmy | Nevermind going to have to compile code :( |
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| 05:29.13 | craigevil | DebiansArmy: you can try to backport it from sid, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 05:29.15 | smacnay | DebiansArmy, ggadgets was slow on my machine - just so you know. Try it out and see how you like it. |
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| 05:30.37 | linuxguy | craigevil, what the command to install flashplayer in terminal ls? |
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| 05:30.43 | linuxguy | >>pls |
| 05:31.16 | DebiansArmy | smacnay: I have fast computer maybe 2 or 3 years old and 4 gigs of ram |
| 05:32.41 | craigevil | linuxguy: depends you can install adobe flash from backports or from dmm, aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree, aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla if you use dmm repo |
| 05:33.44 | BSD-CLI | wishes dpkg-deb -b had a progress bar |
| 05:34.23 | linuxguy | craigevil, thanks :) |
| 05:34.26 | smacnay | DebiansArmy, try it out, worst is you don't like it and remove it. |
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| 05:41.42 | SpringRoll | How many MB does /boot generally need? Its a server configuration of lenny. |
| 05:41.58 | SpringRoll | Will 100 suffice? |
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| 05:50.23 | Tramp | SpringRoll: if you don't have to many kernels lying around - yes |
| 05:51.09 | SpringRoll | Yah, it'll be a single kernel. Perhaps I'll add some modules but noting major. |
| 05:51.16 | SpringRoll | nothing* |
| 05:51.39 | Tramp | mine has 4G and 103M used and I could delete some initrds |
| 05:51.52 | nsadmin | to be safe, 50 - 100 mb |
| 05:52.06 | nsadmin | and make it ext3 |
| 05:52.30 | nsadmin | or other filesystem grub supports |
| 05:52.51 | SpringRoll | OK, it'll be RAID1 as well. Thanks guys :) |
| 05:53.01 | nsadmin | no, not in any raid. |
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| 05:54.50 | nsadmin | Tramp: if they came from debian packages, that would be deleting files that were in packages... |
| 05:55.40 | Tramp | yeah. The ones still lying around are from times when I hand-rolled kernels |
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| 05:57.39 | Kryll | clear |
| 05:58.31 | Tramp | ah, no. They are already gone. The ones still lying around are .bak |
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| 05:59.39 | sauvin | hopes this last round of updates don't kill his ATI because he doesn't remember what he did to get it going |
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| 06:16.46 | dbbolton | sauvin m-a a-i fglrx |
| 06:17.11 | sauvin | dbbolton, thanks! You just saved me from digging up my notes :D |
| 06:17.27 | dbbolton | np |
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| 06:18.18 | dbbolton | you will have to do it when ever you install a new kernel |
| 06:19.35 | Kryll | guys this is prolly a dumb question but what is the debian way i here people say this and was wondering |
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| 06:23.39 | qwd | Kryll: the debian way of what? in general? |
| 06:24.02 | sauvin | dbbolton, yea, this is when I have troubles, which is why I keep notes. Trouble is, I don't keep notes on where I keep notes. |
| 06:24.29 | Kryll | oh was just used as a generic term for I guess building your kernel I just did a google search and that was the firdt thing that popped up |
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| 06:24.53 | dbbolton | sauvin just write everything in one gigantic text file and use grep :D |
| 06:25.09 | Kryll | not important so just scratch that question |
| 06:25.12 | sauvin | It's a bit more complicated than that. Which freaking *computer* did I leave the notes on? :D |
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| 06:27.21 | dbbolton | i can see how recursively searching files on multiple hosts could be tricky |
| 06:27.23 | sauvin | The ati survived the updates! Cool! |
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| 06:28.38 | DebiansArmy | Kryll: that to me says read everything and dont ask questions :) |
| 06:29.32 | qwd | Kryll: doesn't need to be about building kernel. it can be anything that's the recommended way of doing things in Debian. for example the debian way of installing packages, reporting bugs, updating, and so on. |
| 06:30.47 | DebiansArmy | Kryll: if you ask questions every one is going to ask you point to the wiki and ask you if you read it.... My why of understanding is just keep reading .... not to be mean :) |
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| 06:33.45 | DebiansArmy | Kryll: the problem with all these wiki's is pages become outdated to the latest version of linux so you have to sift through all pages to make sure your reading the wiki for lenny... becomes a task in its self... |
| 06:33.53 | sepult | does anyone has any idea on purging files from the system, which do net get installed with the package manager or |
| 06:33.53 | sepult | are not in the packages itself ? |
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| 06:37.02 | DebiansArmy | sepult: if its not in the package and you didn't install it then how did it get on your system??? |
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| 06:37.55 | DebiansArmy | sepult: are u sayig u unistalled the package and forgot to get ride of dependences??? |
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| 06:40.50 | dbbolton | what is updatedb.mlocate |
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| 06:42.10 | FluxD | dbbolton, thats the files created when you do updatedb I suppose for "locate" |
| 06:42.45 | dbbolton | i never ran "updatedb" and i don't see it in any of my cron folders |
| 06:43.08 | FluxD | updatedb makes a list of all files on system so you can search |
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| 06:43.14 | liable | locate got removed from sid |
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| 06:43.22 | FluxD | and then you can search using "locate' |
| 06:43.36 | FluxD | liable, oh so what replaced it? |
| 06:44.17 | liable | dlocate appaarently (or something similar, cant remember exactly) |
| 06:44.31 | simonrvn | dlocate is for packages |
| 06:44.37 | simonrvn | i use mlocate |
| 06:44.53 | FluxD | whats the difference? |
| 06:45.02 | FluxD | mlocate vs locate ? |
| 06:45.13 | simonrvn | apt-cache show mlocate |
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| 06:46.49 | matu | hi |
| 06:47.01 | FluxD | hi |
| 06:47.02 | matu | is there an easy way to easily add ext4 support to my debian ? |
| 06:48.00 | FluxD | matu, /msg dpkg ext3->ext4 |
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| 06:48.32 | simonrvn | mlocate is nice if you have old hardware like me |
| 06:48.56 | simonrvn | and it won't hurt either if it's a laptop or a loaded high end box. |
| 06:49.06 | matu | mine is not ext3 it is ext4 only |
| 06:49.24 | matu | i dont want to enable features on my ext3 |
| 06:49.33 | matu | maybe i am stupid |
| 06:49.44 | FluxD | lol what do you want then? |
| 06:50.08 | matu | i have an ext4 system. i can't mount it. i want to mount it adding ext4 support to my debian. |
| 06:50.34 | matu | <matu> is there an easy way to easily add ext4 support to my debian ? |
| 06:50.51 | FluxD | Why can't you mount it? |
| 06:50.55 | matu | To enable <ext4> features on an existing unmounted <ext3> file system etc |
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| 06:51.26 | matu | because i dont have the EXT4 support ! |
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| 06:51.35 | matu | please could anyone help me ? |
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| 06:52.00 | matu | i want to mount an ext4 partition in my debian that does not support ext4, if anyone is able to help me please tell me how do to it |
| 06:52.05 | matu | -in+to |
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| 06:53.43 | matu | i did not say i want to add ext4 support to my ext3 , i said i want to add ext4 support to my debian |
| 06:54.41 | simonrvn | try modprobe ext4 .... |
| 06:55.04 | simonrvn | "to your debian" is meaningless here. you mean the running kernel. |
| 06:55.38 | simonrvn | first try modprobe -l | grep ext4 and if you see something then do the first command i gave you. next time, man modprobe |
| 06:56.26 | simonrvn | you might also want to look up what a kernel module is. |
| 06:56.26 | simonrvn | matu: ^^^ |
| 06:56.49 | matu | no i mean to my debian |
| 06:56.54 | simonrvn | matu: also, ext4 is still unstable in some respects, i wouldn't put / ext4. |
| 06:57.06 | jmarsden | matu: If "your Debian" is Lenny, then it already has ext4 support. If you are running an older version of Debian and need ext4 support, you should upgrade it first. http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#For_people_who_are_running_Debian |
| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | !jmarsden++ |
| 06:57.38 | matu | thx |
| 06:58.02 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 07:03.11 | dbbolton | how can i find the IP address that my ISP gives to my router from the command line? |
| 07:03.33 | simonrvn | ifconfig |
| 07:03.41 | matu | just give a look at whatismyip.com |
| 07:03.56 | simonrvn | oh to your router. go see is whatismyip site |
| 07:04.15 | dbbolton | simon ifconfig shows what ip address my router gives my interface. |
| 07:04.33 | matu | just give a look at whatismyip.com |
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| 07:04.56 | matu | so this site web will tell you which ip your provider gave you |
| 07:05.19 | dbbolton | if i wanted to use a web browser to find it i can just go to 192.168.1.1 |
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| 07:05.36 | matu | right |
| 07:05.36 | dbbolton | my router settings page has it. |
| 07:05.42 | nsadmin | dbbolton: do you want to find it or not? |
| 07:05.45 | FluxD | also wget checkip.dyndns.org :) |
| 07:06.00 | dbbolton | nsadmin did you read my question or not? |
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| 07:06.26 | nsadmin | howbout this: you write a script involving wget, and then you -dig- thru the html response to get the data |
| 07:06.44 | matu | hehe nice trick FluxD |
| 07:07.00 | FluxD | ^^ no html in index.html either |
| 07:07.03 | ravenbird | FluxD: are you using Windows? |
| 07:07.09 | FluxD | oO |
| 07:07.11 | FluxD | no? |
| 07:07.43 | FluxD | Why you ask ravenbird ? |
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| 07:10.40 | jmarsden | dbbolton: lynx -dump http://checkip.dyndns.org # Uses a browser but works at the command line... |
| 07:10.49 | sakhi_ | what is the equivalent of dansguardian? |
| 07:11.09 | dbbolton | jmarsden thanks |
| 07:11.33 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 07:29.14 | dbbolton | nsadmin http://paste.debian.net/59094/ |
| 07:30.05 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 07:31.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | sakhi_: equivalent? why not use dansguardian? |
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| 07:57.03 | lvh | hello |
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| 07:57.33 | lvh | does anyone know how I can get swi-prolog and ghc on the same debian testing box? they appear to conflict on libreadline versions |
| 07:58.09 | lvh | paste: http://bpaste.net/show/3130/ |
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| 07:58.55 | OldMonk | got a system with 6 SATA hard disks and trying to fix their names. rules are of the form: DRIVERS=="sd", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", PROGRAM=="/lib/udev/scsi_id -g -u -s %p", RESULT=="SATA_WDC_WD2002FYPS-_WD-WCAVY1868372", NAME="sdc" |
| 07:59.10 | OldMonk | rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d/25-names.rules -- debian testing |
| 07:59.25 | OldMonk | however, disk names keep changing on boot |
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| 08:00.09 | cast | presumably this is a problem because you're trying to mount them? |
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| 08:00.30 | OldMonk | yes, mount from fstab barfs |
| 08:00.33 | Linux-CLI | Arghh, took me 3 min to download IRSSI |
| 08:00.47 | cast | OldMonk: could address them by UUID instead |
| 08:01.02 | hoxu | anyone remember how to send keypress events in X? |
| 08:01.13 | cast | OldMonk: i tend to use and recommend LVM for everything, that would remove the issue |
| 08:01.27 | OldMonk | cast: i can do it by label too, but i still prefer fixed device names |
| 08:01.37 | OldMonk | cast: for grub-install, if for nothing else |
| 08:03.12 | OldMonk | does debian have udevtest or an equivalent? |
| 08:06.17 | OldMonk | ah, udevadm test |
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| 08:11.07 | ircbot_ | hi |
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| 08:11.44 | nsadmin | OldMonk: hence uuids |
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| 08:12.12 | lilib | i would like to know answers to some noob questions |
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| 08:12.35 | nsadmin | !ask to ask |
| 08:12.35 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 08:12.41 | lilib | how i find out what linux version i am running, if 32bits or 64bits system |
| 08:12.59 | nsadmin | it's the one you installed |
| 08:13.07 | WormFood | lilib, uname -a |
| 08:13.10 | lilib | where to get 64bits debian and if this 64bits system is suitable for my oldie pentium 4 CPU |
| 08:13.34 | nsadmin | no, 64bit will not work with pentium 4 |
| 08:13.56 | lvh | lilib: your old p4 is not a 64bit cpu, so debian's amd64 distros will not work on it |
| 08:14.04 | WormFood | nsadmin, I think it will work with some of the newer ones...but not most of them |
| 08:14.16 | sauvin | lsb_release -a |
| 08:14.22 | nsadmin | newer p4s? |
| 08:14.53 | cast | nsadmin: some p4's ship with EM64T support |
| 08:14.54 | nsadmin | p4s are still made? |
| 08:14.59 | matu | bye and thx |
| 08:15.55 | nsadmin | but in general... you need a real 64 bit cpu, newer ram and mobo |
| 08:15.55 | lilib | Linux ok.local 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 26 09:01:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:16.16 | lvh | lilib: that doesn't tell us anything, pastebin /proc/cpuinfo instead |
| 08:16.30 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Intel_64 |
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| 08:17.08 | nsadmin | make sure he knows what pastebin is |
| 08:17.18 | cast | wish my atom had em64t support :( |
| 08:17.50 | lilib | vendor_id : GenuineIntel |
| 08:17.50 | lilib | cpu family : 15 |
| 08:17.50 | lilib | model : 1 |
| 08:17.52 | lilib | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz |
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| 08:17.57 | nsadmin | make sure he knows what pastebin is |
| 08:18.15 | WormFood | I saw that comin' |
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| 08:18.50 | lilib | ohh sorry |
| 08:18.55 | lilib | pastebin i forgot |
| 08:19.10 | nsadmin | aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 08:19.23 | nsadmin | then, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:19.32 | nsadmin | then, cat /proc/cpuinfo | pastebinit |
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| 08:20.33 | lilib | pastebinit does not work |
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| 08:20.36 | lilib | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm up |
| 08:21.14 | cast | yeah, nah. |
| 08:21.15 | lilib | cpu family : 15 |
| 08:21.23 | WormFood | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority <-- from 64 bit machine |
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| 08:21.49 | lilib | hm i heart there should be lm flag |
| 08:21.55 | lilib | for 64bits CPU |
| 08:21.57 | lilib | hmm |
| 08:22.08 | lilib | ok, then another question |
| 08:22.13 | WormFood | mine has the lm flag, yours does not |
| 08:22.26 | lilib | does exist any way how to effective manage squid proxy? |
| 08:22.56 | lilib | i wanted install 64bits becouse it can handle larger files |
| 08:22.58 | nsadmin | "effective" seems vague and subjective |
| 08:23.02 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Intel_64 lilib this page tells you what cpus support 64-bit |
| 08:23.11 | lilib | sometime here happens proxy cache is full |
| 08:23.17 | lilib | and whole internet stops |
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| 08:24.05 | lilib | i guessed if i will swap to 64bits instead of 32bits i can store more logs per month in that cache |
| 08:24.06 | nsadmin | it seems "effective" has meaning for you that you're assuming is true for anyone... in reality, you just need to be specific |
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| 08:24.44 | lilib | nsadmin, yes, but language barriere is kinda problem :-) |
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| 08:25.29 | lilib | simply, i do not want squid proxy stops internet because its small cache file size limit |
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| 08:27.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | it wont. it'll just start dropping files from cache |
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| 08:30.08 | lilib | yes, but sometime stops internet Cahe Manager Statistics too |
| 08:30.08 | cast | lilib: that's some guess |
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| 08:30.32 | lilib | is any chance to disable whole such thing - cache manager statistics? |
| 08:30.49 | lilib | over webmin interface i found noting |
| 08:30.53 | lilib | brb |
| 08:31.28 | cast | do yourself a favour and uninstall webmin |
| 08:31.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | cast: ++ |
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| 08:33.28 | lilib | cast :-), it is hard to defend linux here |
| 08:33.32 | almark1 | Hello I'm using 64 studio but when I try to use my xorg.conf my mouse stops working, even with a sound and working xorg, is this due to 64 studio having a different way to use devices, since there is no xorg present in the disto |
| 08:33.54 | lilib | everywhere around they traing to inprint m$ stuff |
| 08:34.09 | almark1 | what am I trying to do is get my dual monitors to work so I wanted to do it the xorg.conf way but that isn't working lol |
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| 08:34.16 | lilib | and rather mess with webmin than mess with m$ tools |
| 08:34.35 | almark1 | because the mouse isn't working so I had to delete the xorg.conf and then all was fine, just one monitor instead of my wanting two |
| 08:34.37 | rvsjoen | what is 'the xorg.conf' way ? |
| 08:34.42 | almark1 | lol |
| 08:34.54 | rvsjoen | xinerama ? |
| 08:34.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | 64 studio? i'm not aware of that debian. |
| 08:34.57 | lilib | i am realy newie linux user |
| 08:35.01 | almark1 | is there any other way to config from this disto? |
| 08:35.12 | almark1 | its baised on it |
| 08:35.26 | almark1 | I think its more Ubuntu really |
| 08:35.26 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Legal_issues this is interesting |
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| 08:35.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | !based on |
| 08:35.55 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
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| 08:36.00 | almark1 | true |
| 08:36.06 | BullGates | jj |
| 08:36.10 | BullGates | cant send to channel |
| 08:36.15 | almark1 | they are hardly ever on |
| 08:36.21 | almark1 | but I will check, thanks :) |
| 08:36.40 | BullGates | !linux |
| 08:36.41 | dpkg | [linux] closed |
| 08:36.47 | BullGates | !windows |
| 08:36.48 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 08:36.57 | jelly-hme | !tell BullGates about msg the bot |
| 08:36.59 | BullGates | !bill gates |
| 08:36.59 | dpkg | somebody said bill gates was the creator of all many things that are annoying, insidious, non-free, evil, and annoying. Did I mention annoying? > very annoying. |
| 08:37.17 | adb | BullGates, > stop it < |
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| 08:37.52 | lilib | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.58 | BullGates | already stopped. |
| 08:38.34 | adb | thanks |
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| 09:04.08 | [here] | for the life of me, I can't figure out why I get rectangular filled in boxes []'s in my terminal (gnome-terminal). I'm using gnome and compiz, but the problem seems to extend itself to even aterm and lxterminal. Any idea why this might be happening? I'm assuming its a graphics driver issue? I've tried Googling off and on for a few weeks and come up empty handed. |
| 09:04.30 | [here] | (googleing the issue) |
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| 09:05.11 | majhool | [here]: screen shot? |
| 09:05.37 | [here] | majhool, sure, I can make one |
| 09:06.25 | superlinux | how would you rephrase this please, I am translating to Arabic "Therefore, Microsoft would sometimes add logic to cripple the performance of high-end features on low-end versions" ? what does high-end and low end mean here in this sentence? |
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| 09:07.47 | [here] | of course... now it wont replicate the issue |
| 09:07.59 | [here] | one sec, it seems to happen at random |
| 09:08.05 | majhool | [here]: is it in specific directories? or when you run specific programs? |
| 09:08.07 | majhool | [here]: ok |
| 09:08.45 | petemc | superlinux: in that context, high-end could mean useful, low-end could mean cheap |
| 09:08.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | superlinux: 'high end' features could mean anything, more info needed 'low end' versions would refer to microsofts cheap/basic releaes. |
| 09:09.25 | superlinux | Kamping_Kaiser, he means high tech I think |
| 09:09.28 | JNSamuel | bah |
| 09:11.15 | [here] | majhool, thanks murphy.. I'm unable to replicate this annoying anomoly, but I assure you it happens frequently and at the most annoying times |
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| 09:11.48 | superlinux | i'll put the paragraph in a pastebin, I hope it will be clearer |
| 09:12.09 | [here] | majhool, basically it replaces normal text with filled in boxes []'s |
| 09:12.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | fonts/locales? |
| 09:13.48 | majhool | [here]: i'm afraid i don't know enough to guess about what's going on |
| 09:14.06 | majhool | [here]: try to capture a screen shoot. i think Kamping_Kaiser is right, and that it's a locale issue |
| 09:14.12 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I have installed XFCE with tasksel install xfce-dekstop on Squeeze. Actually, it has also installed most of the GNOME with it, including a lot of additional software for it (like Ekiga, Evolution, Tomboy, etc) and much more. And so, I'm cleaning things up. But XFCE has also XFCE-goodies installed, which means that I got some XFCE components I don't need (like XFBurn, which I obviously don't need on a system without an optical drive). But when |
| 09:14.12 | [here] | just happed again but the screen refreshed and it disappeared |
| 09:14.27 | [here] | ill eventually get one |
| 09:14.52 | [here] | Kamping_Kaiser, would it be a font issue though if it happened at random? |
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| 09:16.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | [here]: true random? no, that would probalby be driver corruption. |
| 09:17.13 | [here] | hmm, its only a terminal issue as well |
| 09:17.28 | [here] | its probably not *truly* random |
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| 09:17.43 | [here] | just a pattern I cant see |
| 09:17.59 | leejongwook | how do i find last installed package ? |
| 09:18.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | leejongwook: dpkg.log |
| 09:18.16 | leejongwook | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks :) |
| 09:19.01 | superlinux | Kamping_Kaiser, this is the paragraph http://pastebin.com/d19a24e29 |
| 09:20.32 | SPF | mysql-server won't start, and there's nothing in the log files. Any suggestions how to proceed? |
| 09:21.43 | nsadmin | try running the init.d script for it |
| 09:22.24 | nsadmin | over all (and as always) find out why |
| 09:22.35 | SPF | already did -> /etc/init.d/mysql start; Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 09:23.05 | SPF | but it does not tell me anything |
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| 09:23.39 | nsadmin | how are u runnin it? |
| 09:23.58 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.17 | nsadmin | gimme a break, I'm eating :P\ |
| 09:24.33 | SPF | I usually start it with the init.d script |
| 09:24.43 | nsadmin | show how exactlyh |
| 09:24.51 | SPF | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 09:25.13 | nsadmin | ok, do you know shell scripting any? |
| 09:25.32 | SPF | yes, I do |
| 09:26.00 | nsadmin | ok, look at the case statement, at where the start part is |
| 09:26.13 | nsadmin | one thing you can do is run it one line at a time |
| 09:26.42 | nsadmin | another thing you can do is add echo statements |
| 09:27.31 | nsadmin | maybe mysql has a way to start in the foreground and spew what it's doing onto stdout] |
| 09:27.50 | SPF | hmm, look at this: http://pastebin.com/d44cc0c63 |
| 09:28.03 | SPF | it starts and suddenly stops |
| 09:28.48 | nsadmin | and it says so |
| 09:28.51 | nsadmin | interesting |
| 09:29.26 | nsadmin | unfortunately we don't see why... but it does confirm everything you're saying |
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| 09:30.29 | adb | maybe is running already with other pid ? |
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| 09:30.45 | nsadmin | that's possible |
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| 09:31.04 | adb | ps aux | grep mysqld |
| 09:31.33 | nsadmin | SPF one thing, how did you first find out it's not runnign? |
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| 09:32.49 | SPF | it seems it's already running, although mysql is giving me ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 09:33.20 | SPF | also /etc/init.d/mysql stop is not stopping the mysql server |
| 09:33.42 | SPF | and the pid file does not exist |
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| 09:36.15 | adb | SPF, better reboot , here you are in threads environment so very tricky to debug |
| 09:36.22 | nsadmin | ultimately you probably want the thing to be running at boot... |
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| 09:37.16 | nsadmin | so it would be good to (restore the script to its original form and) reboot and then see what the env is like |
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| 09:37.43 | SPF | nsadmin: I didnt change the scripts. I used bash -x /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 09:38.03 | nsadmin | oh, good idea |
| 09:38.08 | SPF | adb: not needed, after killing the pids I could start without problems |
| 09:38.21 | adb | ok |
| 09:38.34 | nsadmin | so mysql starts after killing them? |
| 09:39.22 | nsadmin | if that's the case... something is wrong at boot time... and my first guess, is mysql is started too early |
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| 09:42.05 | adb | nsadmin, or to late , clients can't contact to him b/c is not yet started .. |
| 09:42.37 | adb | nsadmin, ok , i'll stop |
| 09:42.39 | nsadmin | oh right, if clients are also started at boot |
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| 09:42.45 | nsadmin | no please don't stop |
| 09:43.29 | nsadmin | that's exactly why I try to handle things on the channel instead of /msg |
| 09:43.45 | nsadmin | people have good ideas and they speak them |
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| 09:45.54 | adb | nsadmin, see , i never runn_ed any server (except lighttpd ..) |
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| 09:47.12 | adb | and X .. |
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| 09:54.10 | azraelru | I've added an user into a group. How the user can reset privs in order the new group take effect without having relogin? |
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| 09:55.01 | cast | newgrp in their shell |
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| 10:23.59 | samsoir | Can anyone help me resolve an issue with what I think are kernal panics caused by libmysqlclient15off in debian 5 |
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| 10:27.02 | dondelelcaro | samsoir: if you're getting kernel panics, its a kernel or hardware bug |
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| 10:27.51 | dondelelcaro | samsoir: the library may be triggering it, but that's not the root cause |
| 10:28.04 | samsoir | here's a sample |
| 10:28.08 | samsoir | Message from syslogd@application-server at Feb 8 10:14:14 ... |
| 10:28.08 | samsoir | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:28.25 | dondelelcaro | that's not the whole panic |
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| 10:28.44 | samsoir | no |
| 10:28.50 | samsoir | I can paste it elsewhere |
| 10:28.53 | dondelelcaro | use a paste site |
| 10:29.25 | samsoir | http://pastie.org/814416 |
| 10:29.29 | linuxguy2009 | There any commands to downgrade all installed package versions back to whats in the source list repos? After removing an unstable package repo? |
| 10:29.56 | babilen | !tell linuxguy2009 -about downgrade |
| 10:30.34 | babilen | linuxguy2009: /msg dpkg <topic> to get more information. Which version of Debian do you want to run eventually? |
| 10:31.09 | linuxguy2009 | babilen: Im on stable, I upgraded from debian-multimedia by accident/ |
| 10:31.48 | babilen | linuxguy2009: You installed unstable packages from dmm? |
| 10:31.57 | linuxguy2009 | babilen: Yes |
| 10:32.17 | dondelelcaro | samsoir: that's a kernel bug; see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508877 et al |
| 10:33.32 | babilen | linuxguy2009: You could try to remove/purge them and reinstall the equivalent package from stable. You might have to do that manually for some, forcing the downgrade. |
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| 10:34.20 | samsoir | dondelelcaro: I will take a look. ty |
| 10:34.44 | linuxguy2009 | babilen: Probably easier for me to just restore a fresh installation backup and start over. Much faster for me. hehe |
| 10:34.55 | linuxguy2009 | Thanks though. |
| 10:35.41 | babilen | linuxguy2009: Probably true. Keep in mind that Debian (or rather the it's packaging tools) does not support downgrades. Good luck |
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| 10:36.27 | dondelelcaro | samsoir: np; good luck |
| 10:36.27 | babilen | linuxguy2009: You could also pin all stable packages to a priority higher than 1000 and see if that works out. Nothing to lose if you are going to reinstall anyway |
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| 11:01.13 | kripz | trying to install xfce but getting errors with dependancies, not sure how to handle this: http://pastebin.com/m50d71189 |
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| 11:02.59 | l700bluetooth | Last time I checked was May 2009. Does the ralink rt2860 chipset supports master mode now? I mean can it be used as an AP? |
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| 11:03.40 | themill | kripz: /msg dpkg why aptitude ; your system is wildly out of date so now you have a kernel isn't compatible with the udev you have installed. /msg dpkg squeeze udev |
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| 11:05.34 | kripz | themill, what's the latest release? |
| 11:05.41 | kripz | im not sure how to check |
| 11:05.46 | themill | ,kernels --release squeeze |
| 11:05.47 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5) |
| 11:06.26 | kripz | I dont understand how my system is out of date when i did an update/upgrade prior to installing xfce4... |
| 11:07.09 | themill | you presumably don't have the kernel meta-package installed. |
| 11:07.10 | EagleScreen | kripz: what Debian branch are you using? |
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| 11:07.40 | kripz | Squeeze? I think... |
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| 11:09.24 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 11:09.25 | EagleScreen | kripz: lets check it |
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| 11:10.44 | EagleScreen | kripz: run this command in a terminal: "lsb_release -irc" |
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| 11:11.24 | kripz | EagleScreen, testing/squeeze |
| 11:11.26 | cast | bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 11:11.36 | cast | why do people keep mentioning this lsb_release command |
| 11:11.47 | kripz | cast, works for me |
| 11:11.51 | EagleScreen | one moment |
| 11:12.25 | nooper | probably requires the lsb package |
| 11:12.58 | EagleScreen | kripz: use http://paste.debian.net/ to paste a copy of your file /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:14.02 | kripz | EagleScreen, http://paste.debian.net/59106/ |
| 11:14.03 | EagleScreen | cast: package lsb-release |
| 11:14.26 | cast | i don't care to install it :\ |
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| 11:16.04 | EagleScreen | kripz: they are ok |
| 11:16.37 | EagleScreen | kripz: do "aptitude update"; "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 11:16.47 | EagleScreen | as root or under sudo |
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| 11:17.15 | adb | safe-upgrade , first |
| 11:17.46 | cast | EagleScreen: you seem to like non-standard debian commands like sudo, lsb_release, |
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| 11:17.52 | kripz | EagleScreen, i see a new kernel there. apt-get doesnt list it? |
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| 11:18.18 | EagleScreen | apt-get should do |
| 11:18.19 | kripz | Guess ill have to learn aptitude |
| 11:18.41 | EagleScreen | cast: what do you mean with standard? |
| 11:19.04 | WormFood | why is it that every time I change my window manager on squeeze, it ALWAYS runs metacity? I have googled my ass off, and can't find any answers? |
| 11:19.15 | cast | as in things that should exist on any debian users install, |
| 11:19.29 | EagleScreen | lsb-release was isntalled by default in my system, and sudo config (Ubuntu like) is an option you can choose in the installer |
| 11:20.14 | EagleScreen | cast: there are several ways to isntall a Debian system |
| 11:20.27 | cast | there sure are |
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| 11:21.08 | EagleScreen | lsb-release surely is installed with "standard" or "Desktop Enviroment" tasks |
| 11:21.34 | adb | btw, what's lsb-release ? |
| 11:21.59 | WormFood | The lsb_release command provides certain LSB (Linux Standard Base) and distribution-specific information. |
| 11:22.01 | EagleScreen | lsb-release is a set of command that determine your GNU/Linux distribution and version |
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| 11:22.52 | EagleScreen | it is usefull for developers |
| 11:23.00 | adb | EagleScreen, so not Debian release ? |
| 11:23.29 | EagleScreen | adb: please rephrase your question |
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| 11:24.02 | adb | so not released by Debian |
| 11:24.15 | chrisb | adb: The lsb-release command is a simple tool to help identify the Linux distribution being used and its compliance with the Linux Standard Base. |
| 11:24.15 | cast | EagleScreen: it's just a suggestion, to stick to commands that are present in every debian install [like su instead of sudo, or cat /etc/debian_version to get the release]. do what you want with that suggestion, not all of us have sudo or lsb-release installed :> |
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| 11:25.38 | adb | chrisb, ok , but i don't care about, ignore me then |
| 11:25.44 | EagleScreen | thanks for the advice cast |
| 11:26.04 | WormFood | anyone know how to change the windows manager in testing? I have run "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager", and tried different things, and it ALWAYS runs metacity |
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| 11:26.35 | cast | WormFood: i use startx and ~/.xinitrc |
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| 11:27.08 | WormFood | I also use startx, but no .xinitrc, as it is not really needed....I had this working perfect on my old sid setup, and don't think this part is any different |
| 11:27.09 | aprendiz001 | I wanto to configure share folders in a debian etch, but I want to use ldap tu auth users |
| 11:27.46 | aprendiz001 | do I need to change the ldap scheme? |
| 11:28.21 | adb | aprendiz001, upgrade to lenny , it's good time for |
| 11:29.01 | WormFood | cast, if you use startx, then most likely you can lock your computer, and I can unlock it without your password, if I have physical access to your keyboard. |
| 11:29.33 | aprendiz001 | yes, I have debian lenny, |
| 11:30.08 | aprendiz001 | how can I do sharefolders with samba and LDAP? |
| 11:30.10 | WormFood | one of the guys at work was always careful to make sure nobody could look when he typed in his password, and I said it didn't matter, because I could get past his screensaver password anyways....he didn't believe me...I told him what to type to bypass the password, and what to do to make my "trick" not work. |
| 11:30.13 | aprendiz001 | any document ..? |
| 11:30.22 | chrisb | WormFood: If you use .xinitrc then you can use any window manager you want. Of course, its different if you use a desktop. |
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| 11:30.34 | corecode | hey |
| 11:30.51 | corecode | what is the "dfsg" version ident in deb versions? |
| 11:31.08 | simonrvn | !dfsg |
| 11:31.08 | dpkg | somebody said dfsg was the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 11:31.18 | WormFood | chrisb, I'm well aware of .xinitrc and using it...I'm trying to do this "The Debian Way" |
| 11:31.29 | simonrvn | means it's been made dsfg-free |
| 11:32.01 | aprendiz001 | how can I auth in samba with ldap? |
| 11:32.21 | chrisb | WormFood: If it's not "The Debian Way" then its news to me. |
| 11:32.24 | corecode | i see, thanks |
| 11:32.50 | WormFood | chrisb, it is not "The Debian Way" for changing the default window manager |
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| 11:34.07 | WormFood | chrisb, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html this page explains some more about how to select the window manager at the bottom of the page |
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| 11:34.33 | chrisb | WormFood: As I said: Of course, its different if you use a desktop. (KDE, GNOME, lxde etc ...) |
| 11:34.35 | kripz | Aptitude: "Current status: 31 updates [-3]". All good? |
| 11:35.12 | WormFood | chrisb, not really, just different ways of doing it...you can easily bring up kde or gnome or anything else using .xinitrc |
| 11:35.36 | EagleScreen | kripz: why dont you install all available updates? |
| 11:35.54 | kripz | i just did aptitide full upgrade |
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| 11:38.04 | chrisb | WormFood: I don't use a DE, but I presume each one has its OWN peculiar way of changing the window manager. |
| 11:38.04 | EagleScreen | "Current status: 31 updates [-3]". <---- this seems like you had 34 updates and you applied 3 of them |
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| 11:52.26 | kripz | Still cant install udev, do i need to reboot for the new kernel to load? |
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| 11:52.41 | Stereo | kripz: yes you do |
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| 11:56.19 | p3rror | is there any bacula users ? |
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| 11:58.00 | babilen | p3rror: I am sure that there are some bacula users. You might find them in #bacula. Have a look at popcon if you want an estimate of their number |
| 11:58.32 | Stereo | p3rror: #bacula is quite quiet, but you can ask your question and wait for an answer |
| 11:58.52 | p3rror | great |
| 11:59.10 | p3rror | my question is about the gui bweb |
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| 12:01.00 | p3rror | i'm trying to set the bweb and i get this error you are using devel tpl |
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| 12:02.55 | babilen | p3rror: Please paste the complete error somewhere. I am unable to parse "tpl" for example :-) |
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| 12:07.16 | p3rror | http://imagebin.ca/view/GiBuhUaB.html |
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| 12:09.46 | babilen | p3rror: No idea. You might want to read about 'tpl' directories and change it to something other than 'devel' |
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| 12:10.01 | bastiandg | hi |
| 12:10.04 | bastiandg | can anyone tell how soon kde sc 4.4 will be available in debian sid? |
| 12:11.03 | babilen | bastiandg: You could ask in #debian-kde @ irc.debian.org or hit the mailing list archives |
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| 12:15.58 | |Mike| | test |
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| 12:17.07 | runa | is it possible to reference STDERR using a file (like /dev/stderr) when a script is ran from cron? |
| 12:17.31 | lazy^ | Hi, does someone know solution to this problem. My wlan-chip is Atheros AR9285, it works with 802.11/b/g/n 2.4GhZ but when i'm trying to assosiate with 802.11n 5 GhZ it doens |
| 12:17.50 | lazy^ | t work, it finds the link but it just ask and ask the password |
| 12:18.07 | kripz | Anybody know how to remove the grub chain loading and just use one loader? |
| 12:18.15 | mnuhmnuh | runa: better to write a script that cron can run that handles its ouputs. sh/bash/perl? |
| 12:20.16 | runa | mnuhmnuh: um. it's a Rails program ran from the command line. ok, I'll hack it. tnx |
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| 12:21.16 | mnuhmnuh | runa: cron's env. is minimal on purpose. just tell cron to run a script you own, and you'll have full control. |
| 12:22.16 | runa | mnuhmnuh: oki |
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| 12:29.38 | TheAvatar | What is smartest? 1x 3gb swapfile or 3x 1gb swapfile? |
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| 12:33.37 | pierre_le | TheAvatar, if you have 3 physical disks, 3 swaps. otherwise 1, or swapoff -a |
| 12:34.47 | TheAvatar | I have 1 physical disk (raid array) - it was more meant like if its smarter having 3 smaller files for swap, rather than one big (all on the same disk, either way) |
| 12:35.06 | TheAvatar | and Im talking about swapfiles, not swappartitions |
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| 12:35.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.43 | wols_ | -b |
| 12:35.47 | pierre_le | is raid 0,1 or 5? |
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| 12:37.39 | MrMaDSeN | hi honeys |
| 12:37.44 | pierre_le | TheAvatar, raid will smartly split the file for you. use 1 single file. |
| 12:38.06 | MrMaDSeN | how do I change a users default home dir? |
| 12:38.07 | smhar | I managed to successfully install and configure apache2 on my squeeze system with 2 virtualhosts plus the default ones. I still have some problems with mysql-server and phpmyadmin. first, when starting apache it compains about phpmyadmin: http://paste.debian.net/59121/ |
| 12:38.13 | wols_ | hello sweetie |
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| 12:39.17 | oggei | smhar: he's simply giving a warn |
| 12:39.25 | rvsjoen | mrmadsen: man usermod |
| 12:39.46 | wols_ | MrMaDSeN: man usermod |
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| 12:40.04 | TheAvatar | okay, I'll make one big then, thanks |
| 12:40.13 | TheAvatar | and its raid 1 or 5 (more than one system) |
| 12:40.22 | smhar | oggei, why? can I get rid of it? |
| 12:40.44 | smhar | oggei, indeed localhost/phpmyadmin works |
| 12:40.47 | oggei | don't let alias overlap |
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| 12:41.14 | wols_ | smhar: edit the line(s) the warning tells you about |
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| 12:43.27 | smhar | oggei, wols_, I thought they are important cross reference: apache2.conf: http://paste.debian.net/59122/ and phpmyadmin/apache.conf: http://paste.debian.net/59123/ |
| 12:44.17 | WormFood | is anyone here running sawfish (window manager) under squeeze (testing)? It appears to be broken |
| 12:44.22 | smhar | oggei, wols_I just followed the guide @ http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 12:44.55 | oggei | eeeekk |
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| 12:45.26 | oggei | you don't have to include specific files in apache2.conf |
| 12:45.40 | oggei | cause it's already configured for doing differently |
| 12:45.57 | oggei | wiki page is horribly outdated btw |
| 12:46.45 | oggei | see /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz on how to *fix* your mess and use the modern setup |
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| 12:47.28 | lcb | hi. which graphical program do you recommend installing to manage users and groups on a xfce4 desktop environment? gnome-system-tools installs a lot of dependencies. |
| 12:47.41 | oggei | (accidentally, now the warning is useless because you in fact have *two* *identical* aliases) |
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| 12:48.36 | WormFood | am I the only one using sawfish under testing? |
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| 12:50.39 | WormFood | this is some frustrating shit! it worked fine on 32-bit sid, but "upgrade" to 64-bit testing, and it won't work now....google my ass off, and it is no help....how in the fuck do I get sawfish to work right, and not give errors like "File error: 66, 114, 111, 107, 101, 110, 32, 112, 105, 112, 101" |
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| 12:51.41 | wols_ | tried stable or unstable sawfish? |
| 12:52.05 | WormFood | unstable on sid was working...new system now....not working |
| 12:52.13 | jelly | WormFood: those error codes look like ascii byte character encoding |
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| 12:52.29 | oggei | WormFood: so fill bugs (speaking a bit more politely) |
| 12:52.34 | WormFood | no clue, but google isn't helping one bit |
| 12:53.03 | WormFood | oggei, I've been polite as I can possibly be, after fighting with this shit for hours! |
| 12:53.17 | WormFood | this is exceptionally frustrating |
| 12:53.24 | oggei | are you filling bugs, aren't you ? |
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| 12:54.22 | WormFood | I think the bugs are filling me! |
| 12:55.44 | jelly | WormFood: in fact, 66, 114, 111, 107, 101, 110, 32, 112, 105, 112, 101 stands for "Broken pipe" |
| 12:55.54 | oggei | if 64bit desktops ppls don't do it, 64bit desktops will USE=frustrate emerge badthings <g> |
| 12:56.14 | jelly | oggei: what? |
| 12:56.21 | WormFood | hahaha...it is ascii....that is the only thing google told me..."broken pipe"....can't find out any more info |
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| 12:56.54 | WormFood | jelly, I understand it perfectly |
| 12:57.26 | jelly | that means you can read ascii encoding, good for you! |
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| 12:59.03 | wols_ | WormFood: do a ssb of sawfish for your testing and try them. it might solve the problem and give the bug report a hint |
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| 12:59.33 | WormFood | ssb? can't remember what that is right now |
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| 13:00.56 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.21 | wols_ | get the source (from testing or sid), and the dependendencies for testing and compile your own .deb |
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| 13:01.52 | wols_ | the other way would be to find out which pipe breaks. harder I think |
| 13:01.52 | WormFood | ahhh...good idea |
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| 13:04.20 | hid3 | pciid test |
| 13:04.44 | hid3 | How do I use the pciid tool (formerly used to be here)? |
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| 13:05.54 | adb | !pciid |
| 13:05.54 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -k (lenny+), or lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. /msg judd pciid 0806:284b |
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| 13:07.37 | hid3 | Thanks |
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| 13:11.44 | Raven737 | Hi all... i Debian Lenny Server was unreachable and when i looked at the console/dmsg it said: http://pastebin.com/m6f4acb3c After i restarted net it worked again, but what happend? |
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| 13:15.09 | wols_ | Raven737: looks like a interrupt request on irq18 happened which wasn't caught |
| 13:15.57 | Raven737 | wols_: Thanks, but what could have caused it an how do i know what is on irq 18? |
| 13:16.47 | wols_ | hardware commpunicates with the CPU with IRQs. it's a "Hi you bigshot over there, I have data for you" and the cpu is responding |
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| 13:17.09 | wols_ | this happens everytime a network packet comes in, a key is pressed, a hdd request is finsiehed, etc |
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| 13:17.23 | wols_ | check if anything uses IRQ18 |
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| 13:17.45 | Raven737 | wols_: oh... but why wound't it be caught then? How do i check? |
| 13:18.04 | wols_ | dunno why. could be a bad driver, could be whatever |
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| 13:32.38 | Selveste1_ | hey out there, I know this is not you table, but I'm trying to get an Samba PDC to work on my Lenny, but I get this error when I try to join a M$ XP to the domain "Domain name not qulified" and then it tries with uppercase and lowercase, my domain name is semarkit, do I have to call et semarkit.local, or what |
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| 13:43.14 | hipe | all things being equal, gcc is a "good" compiler to "apt-get install" if i need one, no ? |
| 13:43.22 | hipe | (it's one of those "if you have to ask" questions) |
| 13:43.52 | wols_ | gcc is the only Ccompiler you can install from debian |
| 13:44.10 | wols_ | but to actually compile programs, you want the package build-essential |
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| 13:44.28 | Selveste1_ | wols_: no you can also install llvm |
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| 13:50.29 | judd | [8086:2688] is '631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #1' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2688 |
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| 14:15.28 | WormFood | jelly, oggei, wols_, I got the problem "fixed" by doing a "build-dep sawfish", so apparently some dependency is broken |
| 14:16.32 | WormFood | and now the "configurator" works...I have a feeling it was "rep", but I thought it was already installed |
| 14:17.12 | oggei | now you can file a good bug report |
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| 14:17.29 | WormFood | I don't know what it depends on that is missing |
| 14:17.40 | WormFood | where do i file the bug report? do you have a url handy for me? |
| 14:17.54 | oggei | bugs.debian.org |
| 14:18.01 | Blackdesign | How can I see what version of lighttpd I am running? |
| 14:18.05 | jelly | !tell WormFood about reportbug |
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| 14:20.10 | soczol | Blackdesign: 'lighttpd -v' ? |
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| 14:21.44 | ethanol | meh, why is there no php 5.3 in backports? ): |
| 14:21.48 | Blackdesign | soczol: thx! |
| 14:21.51 | ethanol | debian is making me sad :\ |
| 14:21.59 | Blackdesign | looks like my lighttp isn't working with php files |
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| 14:22.46 | themill | ethanol: if or when the php developers make a 5.3 release that doesn't break more than it fixes, then it will be uploaded to debian. backports are made out of testing, and php5.3 breaks so many things that it hasn't even made it into sid yet |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | ethanol: probably because it has dependencies taht can't be filled in lenny, or php5.3 still sucks ? |
| 14:23.03 | soczol | Blackdesign: the people in #lighttpd might know |
| 14:23.10 | Blackdesign | ok, thx |
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| 14:23.58 | WormFood | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557946 I think this is the same bug as mine, and I'm pretty sure the same thing fixed it |
| 14:24.11 | ethanol | I see :< |
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| 14:25.15 | abrotman | ethanol: FWIW .. you may want to ask the php package team if they intend to get php5.3 into squeeze |
| 14:25.45 | WormFood | I saw some app a day or two ago that said it wouldn't work with 5.3 |
| 14:25.56 | themill | ethanol: check the php packagers' email list. They've discussed this at least once |
| 14:26.02 | WormFood | abrotman, you said skype wouldn't work on 64-bit...but it works fine, if you install the 32-bit libs |
| 14:26.23 | abrotman | WormFood: yes .. "cheating" in my book |
| 14:26.25 | jelly | skype works here on amd64 |
| 14:26.27 | abrotman | but carry on ... |
| 14:26.40 | WormFood | abrotman, but I haven't tried talking on it, or web cam, so maybe it does not work 100%....I agree, "cheating", and a piss-poor way to do it too |
| 14:26.45 | jelly | Architecture: amd64 <- skype package |
| 14:27.09 | WormFood | they claim to be working on a 64-bit version |
| 14:27.16 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 15506542 2008-06-16 10:49 /home/jelly/packages/skype_ubuntu-2.0.0.72-1_amd64.deb |
| 14:27.18 | themill | they claim lots of things |
| 14:27.25 | WormFood | I think a 64-bit skype will be like Duke Nukem' Forever.... |
| 14:27.37 | WormFood | take FOREVER for them to come out with it |
| 14:27.40 | WormFood | literally |
| 14:27.48 | jelly | who cares? It works. |
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| 14:42.03 | pyther | Does anyone know if it is possible to have a linux server encapsulate frames in 802.1Q? |
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| 14:47.01 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 14:47.20 | rvsjoen | as long as the kernel has support for it |
| 14:47.38 | pyther | Hmm ok |
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| 14:48.14 | pyther | I'm trying to figure out how to make DRBL work with vlans |
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| 14:49.19 | csgeek | hey all |
| 14:50.16 | csgeek | I'm trying to figure out which release to install. last time I looked at debian there was stable, testing, and one more... I'm looking for something that's fairly updated, but doesn't break on a weekly basis... any recommendations? |
| 14:50.46 | wols_ | try testing then, which is currently squeeze |
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| 14:51.33 | csgeek | thanks wols_ |
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| 15:05.14 | earthian | hio |
| 15:05.23 | earthian | Hi! :) |
| 15:05.29 | ivers | hi |
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| 15:07.13 | smhar | is it possible for a user to create/copy files into a certain directory with a default permission set for that folder only? |
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| 15:08.18 | balki | smhar: guess it can be done with Access Control lists (ACL) |
| 15:09.06 | \amethyst | smhar: mount the filesystem with the 'acl' option, and set a default ACL on the directory. For example, setfacl -m d:g:staff:rwX,d:o:: if you want everything in the directory to be readable and writable by group 'staff' (and executable if it's executable by anyone), and to have no permissions for the world |
| 15:09.26 | \amethyst | setfacl -m d:g:staff:rwX,d:o:: directory that is |
| 15:10.19 | \amethyst | oh, I guess you need to specify the user permissions too |
| 15:10.20 | odla | if i want to install latex styles locally where can i put them so that my user can have read/write access to them? i'm thinking ~/<latexsomething |
| 15:10.41 | \amethyst | ah, no, I left out a hyphen |
| 15:11.02 | balki | How to use logrotate on a file which should be rotated only when its size is beyond some limit and the old data to be gzipped and saved in some directory? |
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| 15:11.33 | Boevik | with php mail function, does anyone know which log file is used ? |
| 15:11.43 | Baloo | wonders why fglrx appears to be uninstallable in squeeze |
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| 15:13.38 | abrotman | Baloo: it's called testing for a reason .. i think the current method is to grab the stuff from unstable |
| 15:13.44 | abrotman | !tell Baloo about fgrlx squeeze |
| 15:13.51 | abrotman | !tell Baloo about squeeze fgrlx |
| 15:13.57 | abrotman | gives up |
| 15:14.07 | Baloo | abrotman, It's broken in sid, too |
| 15:14.15 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 15:14.38 | Baloo | notes if testing was working as described, it would have never moved out of sid in this state. |
| 15:14.38 | abrotman | Baloo: it's called unstable for a reason .. i think the current method is to grab the stuff from super-unstable!!!! |
| 15:15.01 | helo | my fs is 20% non-contiguous... |
| 15:15.24 | babilen | Baloo: You are assuming that every single bug is reported by sid users |
| 15:15.25 | helo | can i clean that up by mirroring onto a new ext3 fs with cpio? |
| 15:15.35 | helo | or is there a better way? |
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| 15:16.10 | Baloo | helo, ext4? |
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| 15:16.59 | Baloo | also notes ext3 doesn't get that noncontiguous unless the filesystem is *very* full, in which "get a bigger drive" also works. |
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| 15:17.45 | helo | i have a lower number of larger files... apparently that can lead to higher noncontiguous also |
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| 15:19.00 | Baloo | I'd still look at ext4 and/or a bigger disk. |
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| 15:19.40 | Baloo | extents are probably where it's at if you hate noncontiguous files |
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| 15:20.13 | jair | good morning guys. I finally installed debian testing on one of the 3850m2 xseries IBM servers with 4x6cores = 24 logical cpus and 256GB memory. in this monster I have a couple of Gb and 10gb ethernet cards, while installing squeeze I noticed some fw missing like the "firmware-bnx2" if I already installed the system and do not have network connectivity I should be able to download the .deb package right? |
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| 15:20.51 | Baloo | Wait, how do you plan on downloading anything without network connectivity? |
| 15:21.11 | jair | I was thinking on transferring the .deb files using a usb stick |
| 15:21.18 | xente | yes |
| 15:21.22 | babilen | jair: That won't be a problem |
| 15:21.23 | Baloo | Yeah, that should work. |
| 15:21.56 | jair | the issue is since squeeze is daily changing I installed on friday I used this iso: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:22.08 | imganquan | jair: monster server. haha |
| 15:22.19 | babilen | wants an 3850m2 too :-) |
| 15:22.30 | jair | how can I go to the ftp equivalent of that iso to get the bnx2 firmware? |
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| 15:23.14 | Absolute0 | Which wireless adapters have better linux support? |
| 15:23.17 | babilen | jair: Are you sure you want to run testing on this server? |
| 15:23.40 | babilen | jair: Anyway - you can download the firmware-bnx2 .deb from p.d.o |
| 15:23.40 | Absolute0 | A lot of them on newegg are under $20 but I am skeptical if it will work under linux. |
| 15:24.32 | babilen | jair: I assume that this machine will be in production use and not just your personal playground. Why do you think that you should install testing? |
| 15:24.45 | jair | babilen: I try to run lenny but I needed to put a kernel parameter maxcpus=4 since there are four sockets. and kind of booted but I will be using kvm linux though so the #kvm people told me to use squeeze since will have a newer kernel and version of kvm. |
| 15:25.06 | babilen | jair: You can use a newer kernel with squeeze |
| 15:25.08 | babilen | !kmuto |
| 15:25.08 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 15:25.12 | babilen | !bpo |
| 15:25.12 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
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| 15:25.40 | babilen | jair: err, with lenny |
| 15:26.17 | jair | understand. |
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| 15:26.25 | babilen | jair: I would really consider running lenny on that box and install a newer kernel from backports. If you need a newer kernel for the installation you can use the images provided by kmuto |
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| 15:26.32 | jair | babilen: but this server will not be in production is development |
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| 15:27.28 | babilen | jair: A computer like that *will* be in production use. I mean that a lot of people will run into your office carrying torches when something goes SNAFU |
| 15:27.29 | jair | babilen: I almost met kmuto-san personally =) when i went to Japan, his images work though but I wanted to run the latest stuff on this server including the kvm linux |
| 15:28.06 | babilen | jair: It's your decision. I just wanted to point out the alternatives. And *I* would never run testing on such a box |
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| 15:29.17 | jair | babilen: but squeeze is development right now I wanted to test the testing see how it goes, then I will remove it and I need to test xen and hyper v then esx I am testing performance on all of them to probe the public schools they need to be smarter and get GNU/Linux which is free instead of paying all the licensing snd support of vmware or any other commercial solution |
| 15:30.00 | jair | babilen: I honestly try to boot the 64bit lenny on it and kept giving me errors on the first boot installation process |
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| 15:30.15 | UT2K3 | hi guys, what can be the reason if a system starts in read-only? The fstab entries should be OK |
| 15:30.16 | jair | babilen: I will try different ones |
| 15:30.57 | robewald | Hi, my google-fu is too weak to find out why alt-backspace doesn't give me word-delete in an xterm |
| 15:31.00 | jair | babilen: going back to the firmware, where is ===> p.d.o? |
| 15:31.29 | robewald | I tried setting XTerm*VT100.eightBitInput:true but that doesn't seem to help |
| 15:31.30 | babilen | jair: ah, sorry. http://packages.debian.org |
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| 15:31.49 | jair | babilen: not problem you have been very helpful advising me =) |
| 15:32.12 | jair | babilen: but honestly after I get the test done with testing I will give another try to the lenny 5.0.4 |
| 15:32.31 | babilen | jair: Ah, good motives. Have fun with that beast - Would like to be around. Post a htop screenshot if you want to make me happy |
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| 15:33.19 | babilen | !tell jair -about installer firmware |
| 15:34.05 | Baloo | robewald, because alt-bksp isn't ctrl-w? |
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| 15:35.18 | jair | babilen: stay in touch i will send you pictures and screenshoot of the installation. |
| 15:35.38 | jair | babilen: I will actually add it to my blog |
| 15:35.44 | jair | for everybody to see |
| 15:35.47 | xente | !tell xente -about installer firmware |
| 15:36.30 | jair | babilen: so I will finish installing this one and when is done i will send you some screenshots and the pictures of the server. |
| 15:36.36 | wols_ | !tell xente about selftell |
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| 15:36.56 | babilen | !tell xente -about msg the bot |
| 15:37.11 | xente | got it the first time |
| 15:37.27 | xente | thanks, though |
| 15:38.01 | babilen | jair: great - hope you enjoy it |
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| 15:38.55 | jair | babilen: =) |
| 15:39.44 | robewald | Baloo: well, yes you are right. Didn't know about that one. My fat emacs fingers want to do Alt-Backspace though.... What can I do? |
| 15:40.09 | babilen | jair: And it might be that you run into problems with squeeze installer, as it is in heavy development these days. You can still install lenny (probably using kmuto's images) and upgrade to squeeze |
| 15:40.20 | babilen | jair: Anyway: Rock on |
| 15:40.22 | Baloo | robewald, retrain them? Ctrl-W is somewhat universal |
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| 15:46.48 | robewald | Baloo: well, yes sorry about being dense. Here is the background. I am used to gnome-terminals keybindings and on this system here I don't want to pull gnome for a terminal. How do I retrain Xterm to behave like gnome-terminal, keybinding wise? Like is there a general switch or do I have to go through all keys? |
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| 15:58.48 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 16:02.58 | jair | babilen: I already transferred the bnx2 firmware and installed not problem |
| 16:03.15 | johnfg | I just burned and verified the debian-504-i386-DVD.iso. But when I go to install, it says there's a missing release file. Looking at it the contents of the dvd, I don't see a release file. |
| 16:03.26 | jair | babilen: I am now waiting for the server to boot see if the networking works. |
| 16:03.28 | johnfg | Is this a known problem? |
| 16:03.49 | jair | babilen: I will update the packages and then I can join IRC from the server with irssi LOL |
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| 16:06.05 | babilen | jair: I hope to see you soon then :-) |
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| 16:08.29 | jair | babilen: well actually the server is on the data center which is behind a firewall and it blocks irc =( but I am about to paste some screenshots |
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| 16:10.50 | smhar | is quanta plus available for debian squeeze? |
| 16:11.28 | DEbiansqueeze | are you using squeeze? |
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| 16:13.50 | DEbiansqueeze | according to my set up aptitude search shows no quanta packages |
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| 16:14.10 | TheMageSouce | Good day |
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| 16:15.52 | TheMageSouce | i asked yesterday about using a second display manager (slim) in a different runlevel, but even when only enabled by sysv-rc-conf, it gives me a "Not starting X display manager (slim); it is not the default display manager. how can i force debian to use a non default on different userlevel? |
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| 16:16.36 | TheMageSouce | Would be to rancid to create a S30 in rc with a startx slim imho |
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| 16:19.09 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSouce: That's going to be difficult, display managers/desktop environments aren't usually controlled from runlevels but from user preference files. You could make a script that overwrites the preference file depending on runlevel. |
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| 16:22.10 | TheMageSouce | Isent there a way to just force startup of the display manager (exept for writing a "startx slim" instead of doing it the right way), or maybe disable the display check (tried commenting out but did not help) |
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| 16:22.44 | smhar | my gnome suddenly stopped giving any sound, how to 'reactivate' it? |
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| 16:23.42 | TheMageSouce | @smhar: could be a alsa/pulseaudio screwup, tried rebooting? |
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| 16:24.30 | smhar | TheMageSouce, yes and it worked then stopped after a couple of hours, I do not want to reboot all the time |
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| 16:25.22 | peterrooney | smhar: try "sudo alsaconf" and "alsamixer" instead of rebooting. |
| 16:26.35 | TheMageSouce | smhar: Maybe restart your alsa with: rcalsasound restart or /etc/init.d/alsasound restart |
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| 16:30.48 | linhis | cahoot:hello |
| 16:31.23 | smhar | I do not have /etc/init.d/alsasound or rcalsasound |
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| 16:32.12 | cahoot | smhar: those don't sound like debian |
| 16:32.24 | linhis | cahoot:after some research throught google, i found out that i can select and install kerne modules |
| 16:33.05 | linhis | cahoot:can i install a kernel module from higher kernel version to my current lower kernel version ?? |
| 16:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | linhis: Kernel modules must be built specifically for the kernel version they run with. |
| 16:33.55 | cahoot | linhis: I'd say no (for practical purposes) |
| 16:34.02 | jhutchins_lt | linhis: That said, a newer module can be built against an older kernel. |
| 16:34.33 | linhis | cahoot: will that give way to new problems ?? |
| 16:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | linhis: http://wiki.debian.org/Modules |
| 16:35.18 | cahoot | linhis: you know there's a distinction between what is possible and what an average user can manage |
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| 16:35.30 | babilen | smhar: try: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
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| 16:35.46 | cahoot | babilen: alsa force-reload |
| 16:35.50 | JyZyXEL | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.sunet.se lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:35.51 | linhis | cahoot: so installing an alsa module from a higher kernel to my current kernel will solve my sound prob i assume.. ?? |
| 16:36.23 | JyZyXEL | what the heck does this mean? |
| 16:36.29 | cahoot | linhis: a newer alsa might be installed - but assumes some knowledge |
| 16:36.34 | JyZyXEL | sunet.se is compromised? |
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| 16:36.37 | evilgenius101 | Hello |
| 16:36.49 | linhis | cahoot: like.. ?? |
| 16:36.51 | DEbiansqueeze | JyZyXEL do you have the correct key ring? |
| 16:37.06 | evilgenius101 | Lenny + Gnome + tightvnc, keyboard mapping is screwed up... |
| 16:37.06 | JyZyXEL | how should i know |
| 16:37.27 | evilgenius101 | any way to remap it.. tried diff layouts but nothing changes |
| 16:37.32 | cahoot | linhis: on how to get and compile the relevant src + possible dependencies |
| 16:37.40 | JyZyXEL | man fuck this shit im changing repos |
| 16:37.54 | cahoot | change distro? |
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| 16:38.22 | DEbiansqueeze | just add the key ring |
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| 16:38.38 | JyZyXEL | i can't if the source is compromised |
| 16:38.47 | cahoot | who said it is? |
| 16:38.58 | linhis | cahoot: any post that will help me do that ?? |
| 16:38.58 | DEbiansqueeze | what are you talking about? |
| 16:39.03 | JyZyXEL | the auth crypto just failed |
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| 16:39.51 | JyZyXEL | someone has gained access to the server and injected malicious packages |
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| 16:40.00 | JyZyXEL | thats when it fails |
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| 16:41.09 | DEbiansqueeze | are you adding the key with dpkg? |
| 16:41.28 | JyZyXEL | no the key has changed since it was added |
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| 16:43.37 | Brenden_- | Hi, I can't get my wireless device to work on debian i installed wireless-tools and it's still not working |
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| 16:44.18 | Brenden_- | Does anyone have any idea's how to fix it? |
| 16:44.44 | cahoot | not without some meaningful info about the hw involved |
| 16:45.06 | Brenden_- | hw? |
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| 16:45.11 | cahoot | hardware |
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| 16:45.15 | Brenden_- | oh |
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| 16:45.43 | Brenden_- | I looked when i was on windows i saw |
| 16:45.45 | Brenden_- | Atheros Communications 802.11n chipsets |
| 16:46.21 | magyar_ | hi, i use iceweasel on lenny, I can't seem to get the java plugin to list with "about:plugins". Where does the plugin reside? I tried update-alternatives, update-java-alternatives |
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| 16:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell Brenden_- about atheros |
| 16:47.21 | cahoot | Brenden_-: lspci -nn | grep -i net can tell you more about the pciid |
| 16:47.58 | Brenden_- | 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:002a] (rev 01) |
| 16:48.20 | abrotman | Brenden_-: which kernel? (uname -r) |
| 16:48.47 | Brenden_- | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:48.47 | Brenden_- | brenden@Neon:~$ |
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| 16:49.05 | DEbiansqueeze | no ath5k :( |
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| 16:49.10 | abrotman | Brenden_-: /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions then `aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64' |
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| 16:49.22 | abrotman | DEbiansqueeze: it has ath5k .. but it was early |
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| 16:49.28 | Brenden_- | okay |
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| 16:50.15 | DEbiansqueeze | i couldnt get it to work back then i had to use ndiswrapper.. 2.6.30 is the first i got ath5k to work |
| 16:50.38 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: my 26.2 works great with a AR5212/AR5213 |
| 16:51.39 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: yes, some work, some fail miserably even though they say they are supported |
| 16:51.49 | abrotman | which sounds like DEbiansqueeze's problem |
| 16:52.04 | abrotman | curses at all the people that think it's cool to have "debian' in their nick |
| 16:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | is familiar with the "that's supposed to work" module/chipset combos. |
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| 16:53.36 | DEbiansqueeze | talk about off topic |
| 16:54.39 | abrotman | it is on topic .. takes me freaking 20 seconds to tab through all the nicks .. |
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| 16:55.06 | jair | babilen: I am ready for the results and the little issues I am still having |
| 16:55.28 | DEbiansqueeze | sounds like abrotman problem |
| 16:55.39 | abrotman | considers banning 'debian*' |
| 16:56.08 | j_laux | you know its sad, I have a Dell Inspirionmini 10v, 1.6ghz atom 1gb ram 160gb hdd |
| 16:56.14 | jair | babilen: take a look at this serie of screenshots: http://paste.debian.net/plain/59148 |
| 16:56.23 | j_laux | I also have a thinkpad t42p pentium m 1.8ghz, 1gb, 80gb |
| 16:56.28 | themill | gives abrotman an irc client that orders tab-completion by recently used nicks |
| 16:56.44 | j_laux | and with debian/lenny the pentium m is not only faster oddly enough it gets better battery life |
| 16:56.47 | j_laux | the thinkpad does |
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| 16:57.02 | Phurl_ | Hi all, I have a package that is missing from debian, webkitimageqt. how can i get that distributed? |
| 16:57.04 | j_laux | thank god that 10v's r fer hackintoshin :P |
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| 16:57.31 | jair | babilen: if you notice, all of then looks good except the #6 |
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| 16:58.52 | abrotman | themill: why? no one should have 'debian' at the beginning of their nick. just silly |
| 16:59.11 | jair | babilen: noticed that this server have 12 network ports. total |
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| 16:59.55 | monkey_d_luffy | I have updated my kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32 (along other packages) and my home network gateway stopped working. I can ping the gateway from my local computer and vice-versa. I have a crazy guess that it may be some kernel module that is not being loaded but I'm not sure. But any ideas on how I can solve this are welcomed. |
| 16:59.59 | jair | two of this network cards have a name: eth2 and eth2_rename eth3 and eth3_rename |
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| 17:01.22 | monkey_d_luffy | Can someone with a local/home gateway setup tell me which kernel modules are loaded? |
| 17:01.25 | babilen | jair: That is /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? Only one is bnx2 and the others are all e1000e? |
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| 17:01.43 | jair | if I will be doing an installation in the future and the installer ask me for some "non-free" firmwares, where can I get those files .fw? or do I need the .deb mounted in a usb stick? I am pretty sure I will need just the .fw but where to get them... |
| 17:02.10 | jair | babilen: nope I have two bnx2 and ten e1000e |
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| 17:02.18 | babilen | jair: You could edit that file and rename the devices to your liking |
| 17:02.20 | runa | heyas. is it possible to make debian automatically set the TZ environment variable? |
| 17:02.44 | themill | jair: either the fw files or a deb or udeb containing them is supposed to be enough. |
| 17:02.45 | jair | babilen: should I change that to eth10 and eth11 then? |
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| 17:03.18 | jair | themill: I have the .deb but I am not sure if that will be ok for the installer when it is asking me for fw |
| 17:03.26 | babilen | jair: I would first remove all the e1000e lines (make a backup) and reinsert the e1000e module. They should be regenerated |
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| 17:03.45 | jelly | jair: or use kmuto.jp installers |
| 17:03.54 | jair | themill: but where can I find the .fw files? this are the ones I will be installing in the middle of the installation process of debian |
| 17:03.57 | magyar_ | my java plug-in is pointing to /etc/alternatives/iceweasel-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
| 17:04.02 | magyar_ | is this correct? |
| 17:04.43 | themill | jair: the firmware-linux*.deb files on the stick is supposed to be sufficient. "/msg dpkg installer firmware" provides more information as do the install guide |
| 17:04.48 | \amethyst | magyar_: yes, but at times I've had problems (freezes etc) with that plugin and have had to switch to the old one, libjavaplugin_oji.so, instead |
| 17:04.48 | jair | jelly: thank you but will try that one last =) |
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| 17:05.09 | jair | themill: that works after the installation is complete |
| 17:05.32 | themill | jair: umm... that's not what the install guide says |
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| 17:06.08 | jair | themill: that is what I did to get the server to use the network adapters I would like to do it during the installation process look at this: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5079/kvm1debiansqueeze2.png |
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| 17:06.58 | magyar_ | \amethyst, in my case i have nothing under about:plugins |
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| 17:07.30 | themill | jair: oh, that's an entirely different problem again. what installer is that? |
| 17:07.39 | jair | babilen: hmm so basically backup the file, then delete all the 1000e ones and reboot the server? or can I do commands to remove the module and then modprobe again? |
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| 17:08.10 | jair | themill: that is the debian squeeze installer but I am sure that will be the same screen I will see on the lenny |
| 17:08.10 | babilen | jair: 'modprobe -r e1000e && modprobe e1000e' |
| 17:08.24 | jair | because the firmware are on the non-free repo |
| 17:08.37 | jair | babilen: ok |
| 17:08.45 | jair | babilen: I will try that hold on |
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| 17:09.07 | babilen | jair: If that does not work, just edit that file and set the names to your liking |
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| 17:10.19 | Kloi | Hi, can someone help me change my .bashrc so instead of <user>@<hostname> it is like [<user>@<hostname> /etc]# |
| 17:10.24 | Kloi | or point me in a tutorial |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | Kloi: you don't want it to show the directory ? |
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| 17:11.17 | Kloi | abrotman: [<user>@<hostname> /etc]# has the directory :p |
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| 17:11.42 | abrotman | Kloi: edit your $PS1 |
| 17:11.44 | magyar_ | \amethyst, which directory do you place the soft-link? |
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| 17:11.54 | babilen | !tell jair -about 70 |
| 17:11.57 | abrotman | Kloi: \h:\w\$ .. for example |
| 17:12.10 | Kloi | I think I have the default which is <username>@<hostname:~$ but I want it to be [<username@<hostname> /directory]# |
| 17:13.27 | jair | babilen: it works ! |
| 17:13.36 | abrotman | Kloi: you can edit it however you would like .. man bash : /PROMPTING |
| 17:13.54 | Kloi | $color_prompt is something that my local Terminal responds too? |
| 17:14.04 | Kloi | to decide whether to use color or not in that shell? |
| 17:14.06 | jair | babilen: now can you explain a little, why was creating an eth2_rename? if the eth2 was bnx2 |
| 17:15.17 | jair | babilen: so basically i could just edit the network adapter name the same way the mac address will still be the same in all the other adapters. |
| 17:15.30 | jair | babilen: I have now eth0-eth11 |
| 17:15.35 | jair | 12 adapters |
| 17:15.42 | babilen | jair: exactly - that's why the file contains 'persistent' in it's name :-) |
| 17:15.49 | jair | this machine is almost ready to start the instalation of kvm linux |
| 17:15.54 | babilen | jair: sounds good :-) |
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| 17:16.01 | jair | babilen: good |
| 17:16.02 | babilen | jair: almost? |
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| 17:16.25 | jair | babilen: did you see the screenshots with the memory size and space :) |
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| 17:17.31 | brenden_- | Hi, Is there anyway how to install restricted drivers on debian |
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| 17:17.38 | babilen | jair: What is the problem? |
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| 17:18.16 | jair | babilen: not not problem 256GB memory OMG that's a lot to have fun! :P |
| 17:18.29 | iceroot | is there a mailinglist for security-problems? so that i get a mail if there is a exploit. atm i am only getting mails if there is a fix in the repos |
| 17:18.55 | jair | I will go ahead and install kvm linux and see how it performs, I will need to understand how kvm manage the network adapters though |
| 17:19.01 | brenden_- | Hi, Is there anyway how to install restricted drivers on debian...Any idea's on how to |
| 17:19.33 | babilen | jair: yes it is. |
| 17:19.38 | jair | themill: you did not respond about the drivers or firmwares load during install process. |
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| 17:20.18 | jair | babilen: the only thing I want to test now is make sure I can load the files during the installation process check screenshot #2 |
| 17:20.18 | themill | jair: that's a message from upgrading the kernel not from the installer itself. The installer would accept the firmware on a usb stick, I have no idea how to cope with that situation |
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| 17:21.07 | jair | themill: you are right, that was not a bid deal I installed the bnx2 firmware using a usb stick after the installation was completed |
| 17:21.27 | themill | jair: ahh. |
| 17:21.44 | babilen | jair: I think you can just copy the .fw file to the usb stick. You should find it in /lib/firmware/ |
| 17:22.00 | jair | themill: but i got another ones previous to that one asking me for this specific firmware: bnx2/bnx2-mips-09-4.6.17.fw |
| 17:22.16 | babilen | jair: But given that you have 10 NICs that are supported I don't think that is necessary |
| 17:22.43 | jair | it is, because the on board nicks are the bnx2 |
| 17:22.55 | jair | that is what I want to be eth0 and eth1 |
| 17:23.08 | jair | for organizational purposes =) |
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| 17:24.04 | babilen | jair: You have just learned how you can assign persistent names to your NICs |
| 17:24.10 | jair | babilen: where is that directory => "/lib/firmware" in the server I just configure? or on an internet ftp or http? |
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| 17:24.35 | babilen | jair: On the server - Have a look at 'dpkg -L firmware-bnx2' |
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| 17:24.54 | jair | babilen: I saw that but still I would like to keep the on board bnx2 working as eth0 and eth1 what if I do not have the other 10 nics? |
| 17:24.55 | brenden_- | Hi, I'm on Debian 5.0.4 and i want to install restricted drivers and i don't see any where in the menues on how to install them |
| 17:25.07 | jair | ok |
| 17:25.12 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Have anyone tried running Moblin on Squeeze? Is it a good idea? I mean, is it as fast as the original Moblin-Fedora image? And what is the best way to install it? I am thinking about switching from XFCE to it |
| 17:25.32 | jair | see it |
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| 17:26.12 | jair | so I can get that copy into a usb stick and then that is what I can use to do the lenny installer. Will this be the same for lenny? |
| 17:26.26 | babilen | jair: You can change the names later. They are assigned based on the NICs MAC address |
| 17:26.42 | babilen | brenden_-: What are restricted drivers? |
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| 17:27.11 | jair | babilen: what if people need to get them from the internet? the fw? can I get them somewhere on the internet? or should I have them available on my blog for public download? |
| 17:27.12 | brenden_- | babilen: for my gfx card |
| 17:27.15 | babilen | jair: It might need the lenny version of that firmware, which might be the same |
| 17:27.24 | babilen | brenden_-: Which graphic card do you have? |
| 17:27.28 | rednammoc | hi there. i'm using cryptsetup to mount my raid at startup. my root-partition mounts normally. my raid produce following error at startup. http://pastebin.com/m3a0525ef. is there anybody who knows what went wrong ? |
| 17:27.30 | wols_ | brenden_-: this is not ubuntu, there are no restricted drivers and there is no menu entry for them anywhere. usually drivers like this are in non-free. what exactly do you need? |
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| 17:27.42 | babilen | jair: You can download the package from http://packages.debian.org |
| 17:27.47 | jair | babilen: I wonder where I can find it, if you know please tell me I will be researching in google. |
| 17:27.53 | jair | ohhhh ok |
| 17:27.56 | brenden_- | babilen: its a nvidia card |
| 17:28.08 | wols_ | !tell brenden_- about nvidia |
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| 17:28.44 | jair | babilen: but it will be the full bnx2 and I need the fw to install during the installation process, how can you decompress the .deb? so you can have all the fw in a memory stick? |
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| 17:29.40 | wols_ | jair: why do you need it during the install process? you can of course dpkg -i in the installer btw |
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| 17:31.16 | slidesinger-lt | Is there a utility that will let me check the state information for the nic on my box from the command line? e.g. duplex settings, speed, etc. |
| 17:31.49 | mguy | I am using Debian 5.04, I am trying to boot single-user and I get the prompt "Give root password for maintenance (or type control-D to continue)" |
| 17:31.52 | jair | wols_: I am thinking about making the process easier for newbies, of course is good to understand how flexible is the whole installation, but my question is why the community debian developers created the installer that way to require the .fw instead of the .deb, there has to be a reason. How can I use dpkg -i during the installation? |
| 17:31.54 | mguy | Shouldn't single user not ask that? |
| 17:32.08 | babilen | jair: 'dpkg -x foo.deb /path/to/dest' |
| 17:32.24 | mguy | slidesinger-lt: ifconfig |
| 17:32.45 | themill | jair: you wouldn't have this problem with a released installer because you wouldn't be upgrading the kernel during installation like this |
| 17:32.51 | helo | mguy: it should ask that |
| 17:32.56 | wols_ | jair: the reason is easy. debian social contract. Debian consists of Free software only |
| 17:32.57 | jair | babilen: that will extract all the files from the .deb nice cool I will need to put this info in my blog for other new debian users benefit from. =) |
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| 17:33.15 | mguy | helo: I used to boot single-user (on other machines) so I could reset the root password |
| 17:33.16 | wols_ | jair: to use dpkg, go to another virtual console (ctrl+alt+f2) and install it via dpkg there |
| 17:33.39 | jair | I see so I will be able to mount the memory stick in the virtual console? |
| 17:33.49 | wols_ | jair: that too |
| 17:33.53 | wols_ | mount is there as well |
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| 17:34.05 | Ogedei | if I have multiple nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf, will they all be tried before a lookup fails? (trying to connect to a VPN) |
| 17:34.05 | jair | wols_: I will go through the installer again after I extract the fw files and try both |
| 17:34.25 | jair | wols_: I see and you are talking about the lenny installer even the net-install? |
| 17:34.25 | Juey | hi. how can I make an alis so that if I type 'ssh server' it will 'ssh user@IP'? |
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| 17:34.48 | themill | Juey: configure ssh in ~/.ssh/config |
| 17:35.04 | x03 | Ogedei: that is the objective |
| 17:35.08 | Juey | themill: no such file |
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| 17:35.12 | wols_ | jair: every debian intaller is the same. and what I said worked since at least potato |
| 17:35.17 | helo | mguy: maybe try "init=/bin/bash" to the kernel |
| 17:35.18 | themill | Juey: nothing is stopping you making it |
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| 17:35.40 | Juey | themill: yes. but what do i put there ? ;p |
| 17:35.51 | Ogedei | x03: is it possible this could be turned off somehow? ngrep doesn't show any traffic on ppp0 (the vpn) when I resolve a name my primary dns doesn't know |
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| 17:36.31 | mguy | helo: oh, you have to use a single-user shell. got it |
| 17:36.34 | jair | wols_: cool I will check that out |
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| 17:37.26 | slidesinger-lt | mguy: just reread the man page and it shows how to modify media type, I just want to read that info. |
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| 17:37.40 | themill | Juey: http://pastebin.ca/1790309; "man ssh_config" for more details (or ask google... there are plenty of people who discuss this at length) |
| 17:37.54 | mguy | slidesinger-lt: ifconfig -a should tell you all you need to know |
| 17:38.08 | Juey | themill: cheers |
| 17:39.34 | martianlobster | I wrote a program, and it ran for several hours. It crashed with the error message, " 11456 Trace/breakpoint trap " This makes no sense to me, because I was running it as a normal program, not under gdb. Does anyone understand what this means? |
| 17:40.48 | d1b | martianlobster: not without seeing the code |
| 17:41.06 | d1b | however, i assume you hit a trap / breakpoint. |
| 17:41.21 | d1b | if one hits a trap the program can get killed :P |
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| 17:41.52 | martianlobster | how can one have a trap or breakpoint, without having a debugger going. I have never done that? Is there some c function, which communicates "this is a breakpoint" ? |
| 17:42.07 | d1b | martianlobster: hardware ... |
| 17:42.18 | jair | themill: thank you so much for your help. |
| 17:42.22 | jair | wols_: thank you so much for your help. |
| 17:42.34 | d1b | apt: Trace trap |
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| 17:42.49 | d1b | apt: hardware trap |
| 17:43.01 | wols_ | martianlobster: opcode 0xcc in x86 |
| 17:43.01 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:43.08 | jair | babilen: thank you very much for your time and help, I hope you enjoyed the screenshots I whish I can have you here to work together on this machine :P |
| 17:43.17 | martianlobster | wols_: thanks |
| 17:43.56 | magyar_ | hi, need help enable java in lenny. I have sun-jre6 installed |
| 17:43.59 | babilen | jair: yeah :-D |
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| 17:44.06 | slidesinger-lt | I am looking for a utility that will let me _confirm_ that I have a 100mb full duplex connection. If ifconfig -a is providing that information, I am unable to interpret it. |
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| 17:44.33 | mguy | What does it output for you? Use pastebin.com for the result |
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| 17:45.07 | mguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.15 | mguy | you should have something like that for your adapter |
| 17:45.16 | themill | slidesinger-lt: mii-tool or ethtool |
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| 17:46.24 | slidesinger-lt | http://pastebin.com/m372e84b5 |
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| 17:46.56 | mguy | My system is freebsd maybe that is why I have that line |
| 17:46.58 | mguy | oops |
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| 17:47.22 | hyperutz | hello, i need some help regarding vsftpd on Debian. I have multiple users, and i want that a certain user to be able to download from the other user's home directories ? how can i do that. By default user X (even if it is not placed in jail) it cannot download stuff from user's Y home dir.. |
| 17:47.32 | slidesinger-lt | At least I'm not blind or crazy! |
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| 17:47.52 | wols_ | slidesinger-lt: unplug your network cable, then plug it back in. your kernel log (via dmesg) will tell you |
| 17:47.55 | HanzZ | hi, is there a way to find out why a specific package is installed with apt(itude)? |
| 17:48.12 | slidesinger-lt | wols_: Thanks |
| 17:48.17 | HanzZ | I mean because of which package for example |
| 17:48.20 | themill | slidesinger-lt: mii-tool or ethtool |
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| 17:49.23 | wols_ | HanzZ: apt-cache rdepends for example |
| 17:49.34 | mguy | HanzZ: Like if a pacakge is a dependency of another? |
| 17:49.51 | themill | HanzZ: "aptitude why foopackage" will often help but is not conclusive |
| 17:50.53 | bolt | whoa! my one time password generator spat out a string consisting of only names! "JILL LILA ASH JUDY CANE EARL" |
| 17:50.56 | bolt | blinks |
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| 17:51.36 | HanzZ | thanks guys |
| 17:51.37 | themill | quickly logs on to bolt's machine with the passwd |
| 17:51.40 | HanzZ | aptitude -W :) |
| 17:51.53 | bolt | themill: already used, sorry :P |
| 17:52.05 | d1b | bolt: and what's your ip ? :P |
| 17:52.11 | d1b | oh damn he used it |
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| 17:57.28 | cornair | what is the key to to disable drm.debug (echo 0> ) ?? |
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| 17:57.49 | dummies_freelanc | how can do realtime at mixxx |
| 17:58.00 | dummies_freelanc | i have kernel with patch RT |
| 17:58.12 | babilen | mixxx? |
| 17:58.35 | babilen | ah - dj software |
| 17:58.37 | babilen | no idea |
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| 18:09.14 | helo | bolt: time to make a otp-blacklist heh |
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| 18:09.51 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 18:21.27 | kombucha | I just noticed that ifdown eth1:1 doens't work. It works for normal interfaces, but not aliased interfaces... |
| 18:22.11 | kombucha | what is the correct way to remove an aliased interface? |
| 18:22.11 | babilen | !tell UnixDawg -about anyone |
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| 18:22.14 | feuermelder | ifconfig eth1:1 down? |
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| 18:22.42 | kombucha | "unknown host" |
| 18:22.47 | feuermelder | o_O |
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| 18:23.11 | kombucha | ah there it is |
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| 18:23.40 | kombucha | I wonder why ifdown doesn't work for an alias, I mean, technically |
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| 18:25.16 | Joe7 | anyone familiar with filesystem especially ext2? I'm wondering if High IOwait in system could be due to the fact that its a fileserving situation and there are like 150,000 files per directory, so it's gonna ~locate them for serving |
| 18:25.32 | Joe7 | s/gonna/gotta |
| 18:26.07 | wols_ | Joe7: PIO mode instead of BM-DMA? |
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| 18:26.25 | sereal1 | where are packages installed when you use apt-get install? |
| 18:26.35 | Da_Wrecka | If you have 150,000 files in one directory you might want to consider seperating them a bit with subdirectories |
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| 18:26.49 | wols_ | sereal1: in your filesystem. every file in the deb archive has its path |
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| 18:28.03 | magyar_ | hi, i need help to enable java in lenny with iceweasel |
| 18:28.06 | sereal1 | wols_ whats the command that shows you where the location of a command is? |
| 18:28.49 | wols_ | depends. mlocate <command> for example |
| 18:29.16 | Joe7 | wols_: euhm unlikely, all SATA drives, they don't even have PIO anymore, do they? ;> |
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| 18:29.28 | sereal1 | don't you mean locate? |
| 18:30.10 | Joe7 | Da_Wrecka: yeah i am just considering doing that, but does it worth it? can many files/dir be a reason for crap performance? |
| 18:30.11 | wols_ | no I don't |
| 18:30.16 | sereal1 | whats locate? |
| 18:30.26 | sereal1 | oh never mind |
| 18:30.34 | wols_ | Joe7: they do. what do you think is used by BIOS on bootup |
| 18:30.38 | sereal1 | I just do man before asking questions |
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| 18:31.02 | sereal1 | I actually don't have mlocate on my system |
| 18:31.06 | wols_ | if you want to know what's inside a debian package, use dpkg --contents <debian package> |
| 18:31.25 | sereal1 | thanks. I just installed this package and now I can't find the directory where it's located |
| 18:31.38 | wols_ | sereal1: find / -name mlocate |
| 18:32.06 | wols_ | also, which mlocate or whereis mlocate |
| 18:32.53 | sereal1 | weird, the package was sphinx2-bin (speech to text) but dpkg didn't tell me anything |
| 18:33.35 | sereal1 | dpkg --contents sphinx2-bin |
| 18:33.35 | sereal1 | dpkg-deb: failed to read archive `sphinx2-bin': No such file or directory |
| 18:33.35 | dpkg | sereal1: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:34.04 | Joe7 | wols_: ah right, im pretty sure its set to use DMA, but is there a way to check w/o rebooting? |
| 18:34.34 | sereal1 | bah what ever I gotta install sphinx3 anyways to get python support |
| 18:34.42 | sereal1 | and there is no package for that |
| 18:34.45 | wols_ | Joe7: kernel log |
| 18:34.48 | Da_Wrecka | I always refer to that as PEBKAC myself, dpkg |
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| 18:34.58 | Da_Wrecka | (yes I know the dpkg in here is a bot) |
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| 18:35.16 | wols_ | sereal1: sphinx2-bin is not a package file, it's the name of a package. different things. |
| 18:36.06 | wols_ | if you want to list the contents of a (installed) package, you use dpkg -L |
| 18:36.06 | sereal1 | packages piss me off sometimes :P It's alright though I have to install from source anyways |
| 18:36.07 | Joe7 | wols_: scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA WDC WD1001FALS-0 05.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 <- direct access is what im looking for right? |
| 18:36.22 | wols_ | no it'snot |
| 18:36.29 | wols_ | you don't look for hdds but for controllers |
| 18:36.42 | sereal1 | so dpkg -L sphinx2-bin ? |
| 18:36.51 | sereal1 | for future reference |
| 18:36.53 | wols_ | hdparm should show you what you need to know too |
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| 18:37.35 | Joe7 | wols_: ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xdd00 ctl 0xde00 bmdma 0xe100 irq 19 |
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| 18:37.54 | Joe7 | right, and all drives r claiming to be UDMAx according to hdparm |
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| 18:38.02 | wols_ | bmdma is the important part |
| 18:38.10 | wols_ | bmdma=busmaster dma |
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| 18:38.57 | Joe7 | okay, so its bmdma yeah |
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| 18:47.11 | karlpinc | I've got a gimp (.xcf) file I want to use in dia. There seems to be no way to convert it to a shape. :-P |
| 18:47.27 | Uther_P | when creating a deb package... can I put a file in the debian directory and reference it from the preinst script, or are unknown files removed when the package is made? |
| 18:48.30 | dondelelcaro | Uther_P: if it's not installed into the filesystem as part of the binary package, you can't reference it |
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| 18:50.52 | Uther_P | dondelelcaro: so I cannot, for example, put a sql file in there to run from preinst? the only reason is I have 2 packages.. package B depends on an upgrade to package A, but if package A installs and restarts its services before package B installs, it will fail as it depends on some sql tables which package B installs |
| 18:50.55 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 18:52.37 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 18:52.45 | dondelelcaro | Uther_P: that's really broken. What package(s) are these? |
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| 18:53.26 | dondelelcaro | Uther_P: and also, you shouldn't be doing this in your preinst; it should be happening in the postinst of the package which uses the sql tables that package B handles |
| 18:53.30 | Uther_P | they aren't public packages... and yea, I know its kinda messed up... its actually part of a rework of some packages |
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| 18:54.25 | Uther_P | ok... was just curious about ordering... I guess I should just make these two packages part of the same package |
| 18:55.52 | aucabarcas | hi, how can i fix duplicated inodes on /home without risking data? |
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| 18:56.09 | Uther_P | fix? |
| 18:56.37 | Uther_P | do you mean files with multiple links? |
| 18:56.49 | aucabarcas | yes, that's the prompt message. |
| 18:57.14 | Uther_P | prompt message from what... fsck? |
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| 18:57.33 | aucabarcas | "duplicated inodes" from fcsk at the system start. |
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| 18:58.10 | jok3r | hey, if anyone is alive in here i've a couple questions about keyloggers, and also one of your idlers is spamming people on join |
| 18:58.43 | Uther_P | aucabarcas: hrm... I can't say for certain... but I'd say if they're "duplicated", then you shouldn't lose data by clearing them... but not positive |
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| 18:59.12 | Uther_P | jok3r: you mean the one telling of the channel rules? |
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| 18:59.20 | jok3r | Uther_P, no, linking to porno |
| 18:59.21 | karlpinc | aucabarcas: You can start by dd-ing the partition somewhere else so you have a backup. That way no matter what you do you can always restore what you've got now. I always just "fsck -y" the partition and take my chances, but I also have regular backups.... |
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| 18:59.29 | jok3r | Uther_P, FeRit is spamming on join with a link to a porn site |
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| 18:59.48 | magyar_ | hi, i need help to enable java in lenny with Iceweasel |
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| 19:00.18 | aucabarcas | thanks |
| 19:00.26 | jok3r | i was wondering if anyone uses a specific key logger |
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| 19:00.51 | jok3r | thank dondelelcaro |
| 19:00.53 | jok3r | thanks* |
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| 19:01.09 | dondelelcaro | jok3r: np; thanks for reporting it |
| 19:01.16 | jok3r | dondelelcaro, np |
| 19:01.34 | Innocentus | damn - the perl scipts aren't parsed and offered as download instead :( |
| 19:01.41 | Innocentus | what could it be? |
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| 19:02.11 | dondelelcaro | Innocentus: they're not executable, you don't have mod_cgi on in that directory or enabled for perl files, or similar. |
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| 19:04.18 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: apache not set up properly for perl. |
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| 19:04.35 | lovelinux | Hi,everyone, I'm using debian5.0 lenny. today I came across to see a file named shadow- under /etc, just beside the nomal shadow file. I'm not sure what it is, but I guess it's a backup of the shadow file. Am I right? |
| 19:04.37 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: Or whatever the webserver is. |
| 19:04.49 | Innocentus | it's an apache2 webserver |
| 19:05.02 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: Is mod perl installed? |
| 19:05.22 | Innocentus | I have created a perl.conf-configuration textfile as it is described here: http://www.jfranken.de/homepages/johannes/vortraege/apache_inhalt.de.html#ToC32 |
| 19:05.35 | Innocentus | aptitude install libapache2-mod-perl2; y |
| 19:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: Did you reload the server? |
| 19:06.31 | Innocentus | etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:06.35 | Innocentus | he said he has restartet |
| 19:06.40 | Innocentus | *restarted |
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| 19:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | Innocentus: I'm pretty sure I didn't have to create a conf file, just used the default. |
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| 19:07.34 | karlpinc | lovelinux: Or maybe a lockfile. vipw might have some info. It's a historical artifact of the way passwords are edited/created. |
| 19:07.34 | Innocentus | so I will delete the perl.conf file |
| 19:07.38 | Innocentus | and then it will run? |
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| 19:08.44 | Innocentus | ok |
| 19:08.46 | Innocentus | letz try it |
| 19:08.50 | Uther_P | Innocentus: apache needs to know to execute that file, either by its extension or its directory... either way you'll probably get better results asking in #apache |
| 19:09.01 | Innocentus | ok |
| 19:09.04 | Innocentus | I will give it a try |
| 19:09.15 | Innocentus | because he is still serving me the contents of the pl-file for download :/ |
| 19:09.23 | jok3r | so, does anyone have a preferential key logger for linux systems? |
| 19:09.31 | Innocentus | ok thx and bye |
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| 19:10.01 | lovelinux | karlpinc: thanks karlpinc â¦â¦ï¼¿â¦â¦ |
| 19:10.14 | lovelinux | karlpinc: ^_^ |
| 19:10.38 | WormFood | jok3r, hardware keylogger, that goes between the keyboard and computer...undetectable by software, and you don't even need access to the OS to make it work, just physical access to the machine. |
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| 19:11.27 | jok3r | WormFood, i meant a software keylogger; we have a woman here who claims that her computer was hacked, and i'm trying to find and destroy key loggers on my own system to see if she has one on hers |
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| 19:11.45 | abrotman | jok3r: is it a Debian system? |
| 19:11.49 | jok3r | abrotman, yep |
| 19:12.03 | jok3r | so far i've already covered LKL and uberkey |
| 19:12.07 | WormFood | and what makes her think her system has been hacked? |
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| 19:12.30 | jok3r | WormFood, she opened up an attachment that when sent to her friends shows up as a virus. although this doesn't make much sense we have to investigate |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | and it's Debian ? |
| 19:12.50 | jok3r | abrotman, she's in debian, i dont know what they're in, she's reluctant to give a lot of details |
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| 19:13.04 | jok3r | apparently she sent this attachment to a bunch of colleagues -_- |
| 19:13.05 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: avg makes a free virus scanner for linux. |
| 19:13.09 | abrotman | jok3r: uh .. her friend sent it from windows i'd guess ... ? |
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| 19:13.13 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Clamav is mostly useless. |
| 19:13.17 | jok3r | jhutchins, we didn't find any trace of a virus on her system |
| 19:13.17 | TheMageSouce | Good day |
| 19:13.24 | jok3r | jhutchins, or a root kit, for that matter |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: works pretty well here |
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| 19:13.32 | WormFood | jok3r, tell her windows viruses don't work on Linux |
| 19:13.39 | TheMageSouce | Another simple question, i got a user that is not allowed to use 3D acceleration, how can i enable that |
| 19:13.57 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I've had clam both find and fail to clean stuff, and fail to find stuff that was blatantly infected. |
| 19:14.00 | jok3r | WormFood, i'll inform her, but nonetheless i'm going to continue to find and test key loggers |
| 19:14.20 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: doesn't make it worthless .. it still has to be updated |
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| 19:14.37 | jok3r | for instance, i was thinking that one could add a line in bash-profile or bashrc to start uberkey in the background when bash started, that way you avoid needing root and can log single user from startup |
| 19:14.38 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: This one was current at the time. |
| 19:14.46 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Also seemed very resource intensive. |
| 19:15.12 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: does AVG have a method for mail servers? |
| 19:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: The samba plugin brought the system to a halt. |
| 19:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I think so. The system I run it on doesn't do mail. |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: works fine with samba here ... |
| 19:15.55 | abrotman | puts the fud away .. |
| 19:16.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Marginal hardware/gentoo/early version of the plugin. |
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| 19:16.55 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Any particular reason to look for a keylogger in this case? |
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| 19:17.13 | jok3r | jhutchins, she has sensitive information and she's paranoid, and now it's her fault if all her colleagues have this virus |
| 19:17.26 | jok3r | thus, i need to be very sure |
| 19:17.42 | WormFood | how can it be her fault if her colleagues get a virus? |
| 19:17.45 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Understood Did she forward an attachment to them? |
| 19:17.48 | jok3r | WormFood, she sent it on to them |
| 19:18.04 | jok3r | jhutchins, she sent it to them, and then it replicated itself several times and forwarded itself to the other colleagues |
| 19:18.05 | WormFood | they should have up-to-date anti-virus on their computers |
| 19:18.17 | jok3r | WormFood, indeed, we dont handle that sort of stuff, i'm a linux server administrator |
| 19:18.18 | WormFood | they should not rely on others to not send then bad things |
| 19:18.19 | TheMageSouce | abrotman: AVG does not cover all viruses, i found it lacking up-to-date security |
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| 19:18.30 | jok3r | but since i know linux i'm the guy who needs to investigate ;p |
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| 19:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: So the virus was in the attachment, not on her computer. She just forwarded it. |
| 19:18.54 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Highly unlikely that the same attachment contained BOTH a windows and a linux virus. |
| 19:18.55 | jok3r | jhutchins, indeed, and because she runs linux it wouldn't surprise me if her colleagues were affected but not her |
| 19:19.05 | jok3r | jhutchins, that's what i said, most people target one OS |
| 19:19.15 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: To be absolutely certain, though, she could just get a clean install. |
| 19:19.16 | abrotman | TheMageSouce: argue with jhutchins_lt |
| 19:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | jok3r: Nuke 'em from orbit. |
| 19:19.39 | TheMageSouce | abrotman: lol |
| 19:19.40 | jok3r | jhutchins, yah, that is the easiest way, but with no root kit and no signs up initialization that shouldnt be there i'm convinced she never had a virus |
| 19:19.55 | jok3r | jhutchins, no unusual startup scripts, nothing in the bash files, it would be awfully hard for this thing to start and run regularly |
| 19:19.58 | abrotman | TheMageSouce: actually .. join jhutchins_lt in #debian-offtopic to argue about it :) |
| 19:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSouce: Same office got totally clobbered when it was running McAffee. There have been some articles recently about how stuff slips past most of the scanners. |
| 19:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Roger. |
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| 19:20.32 | WormFood | it slips by because they can't detect new stuff |
| 19:20.43 | WormFood | so everyone gets hit with new stuff on the same day |
| 19:20.45 | TheMageSouce | abrotman: haha nah, dont care to argue about obsolete things like virus scanner, who needs one anyway ;) |
| 19:20.45 | jok3r | well, a keylogger should be easy to detect, new or old |
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| 19:20.52 | jok3r | so i'm almost sure she didn't get the virus |
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| 19:21.18 | WormFood | you're the Liunx guy, and you're "almost sure" her linux computer didn't get a windows virus? |
| 19:21.25 | TheMageSouce | jhutchins_lt: sounds like they need a nice migrate to linux then ;) |
| 19:21.34 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, I've heard there are viruses that run on wine... |
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| 19:21.53 | TheMageSouce | Spyware is compatible with wine already! |
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| 19:22.00 | WormFood | yes, jhutchins_lt, that is possible |
| 19:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSouce: Unfortunately, they have to run WordPerfect for documents submitted to the Missouri courts, and WP no longer has a Linux version. |
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| 19:22.31 | WormFood | Missouri is a fucked up state...tell them to move! |
| 19:22.37 | TheMageSouce | jhutchins_lt: There are some really good WP importers and exporters in Ooo |
| 19:22.40 | Muisje | tell them to resign |
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| 19:22.52 | n-iCe | how do I update MY kernel sources |
| 19:22.54 | Muisje | What would i need to connect incoming landlines to my linux machine other than software? |
| 19:22.57 | fas3r | hello |
| 19:23.04 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSouce: Interesting, last I looked there weren't any functional ones. |
| 19:23.35 | nkuttler | n-iCe: where did you get them? |
| 19:23.38 | TheMageSouce | jhutchins_lt: i found one recently, can google it up for you if you like |
| 19:23.49 | fas3r | i think i have a problem with squid .. i use it like proxy in my company but the problem is all time a internet page do a long time to charge .. i need to increase the cache or something on squid ? |
| 19:23.50 | NoCode | When does Squeeze go to stable? |
| 19:24.06 | n-iCe | nkuttler: sorry? |
| 19:24.13 | abrotman | NoCode: WIR, SIYH |
| 19:24.18 | n-iCe | nkuttler: Debian upgaded my linux headers and image |
| 19:24.24 | wols_ | Muisje: not worth it. get a fritzbox from avm or such (it's a linux based homerouter and phone system) |
| 19:24.26 | NoCode | abrotman: I have no clue what that means. |
| 19:24.34 | abrotman | NoCode: /msg dpkg wir, /msg dpkg siyh |
| 19:24.43 | nkuttler | n-iCe: apt-get source package |
| 19:24.53 | wols_ | n-iCe: where did you get your kernel source? |
| 19:24.55 | Muisje | why wols_? |
| 19:24.57 | nkuttler | although i think the kernel might have the source packaged separately |
| 19:24.58 | Muisje | Specify why... |
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| 19:25.14 | wols_ | Muisje: cause you can do what asterisk can do with it. and cheaper |
| 19:25.16 | n-iCe | wols_: how can I know? I just did an apt-get upgrade |
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| 19:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: I've heard of it being done with a voice-modem, but there are also special cards for that. |
| 19:25.24 | wols_ | you can run asterisk on them too if you want |
| 19:25.36 | NoCode | Well, that's quite generalized. |
| 19:25.39 | wols_ | Muisje: if you want cards, digium makes them |
| 19:25.41 | jhutchins_lt | Muisje: You do need some kind of interface hardware. |
| 19:26.04 | NoCode | I'm guessing sooner than spring since 2.6.32 is out now. |
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| 19:26.22 | abrotman | NoCode: there is no fixed date |
| 19:26.22 | wols_ | n-iCe: you upgrade your kernel sources by getting the update from where you got the sources in the first place. if it'S debian, fine, apt-get upgrade it is |
| 19:26.28 | TheMageSouce | jhutchins_lt: As far as i know, and have tried.. WP files can be inported natively to open office, and if you really want to export back, there is a source forge project that really nailed it (have to look up though) |
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| 19:26.41 | wols_ | NoCode: you mean sping 2011? |
| 19:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSouce: Thanks, will look into it. |
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| 19:27.26 | TheMageSouce | jhutchins_lt: Actualy, do they use word perfect 12? |
| 19:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | would rather have a good solid release that meets the Debian criteria than the known broken stuff some distros have been putting out. |
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| 19:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | TheMageSouce: Not sure what the current one is. |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: just try it :) |
| 19:28.07 | arthur_ | hi, by upgrading to lenny I broke my user authentication with pam/ldap. what is the most likely cause for that? |
| 19:28.18 | TheMageSouce | jhutchins_lt: Cause i just read that Open Office has native support for importing and exporting to WPD for WP12 |
| 19:28.30 | abrotman | arthur_: pam or ldap |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | runs .. fast |
| 19:28.50 | arthur_ | ldap i think |
| 19:28.52 | jok3r | arthur_, is it a replication server? |
| 19:28.59 | fas3r | nobody :s |
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| 19:29.15 | abrotman | arthur_: i recall someone saying that the pam_ldap had changed a setting |
| 19:29.39 | aucabarcas | Uther_P: thanks, fsck -y solved duplicated inodes problem. :-) |
| 19:29.43 | jok3r | abrotman, when i went from etch to lenny my replication server needed to be given a new set of info because it started storing milisecond information and not suffixing them with a Z |
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| 19:30.02 | jok3r | so i just slapcat'ed the info from the main ldap server |
| 19:30.12 | lenswipe | anyone got any ideas where pptpd daemon logs to? |
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| 19:30.18 | jok3r | lenswipe, /var/log? |
| 19:30.21 | lenswipe | ty |
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| 19:30.44 | lenswipe | jok3r: dont seee it :/ |
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| 19:30.58 | jok3r | lenswipe, i'm not sure then, i'm always inclined to check /var/log first, and then my home folder |
| 19:31.01 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: grep -r pptp /var/log/ |
| 19:31.11 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: ^ |
| 19:31.15 | lenswipe | <lenswipe> jok3r: dont seee it :/ |
| 19:31.21 | lenswipe | ie: its not there :) |
| 19:32.06 | arthur_ | it's the ldap server of the university. i don't know much about it. i manage only a couple of sniffer systems. i am just annoyed that i have to put everybodys ssh key into the root dir so i loose tracking who logs on. |
| 19:34.04 | jok3r | arthur_, you should see all auths in auth.log still |
| 19:34.28 | wols_ | lenswipe: it's debian policy to log everything to /var/log. check the logfiles there |
| 19:34.36 | lenswipe | wols_: yeah i found it |
| 19:34.40 | lenswipe | its called daemon.log |
| 19:34.46 | lenswipe | thinks thats a stupid name for it |
| 19:35.01 | lenswipe | thinks that pptpd.log would have been alot more sensible |
| 19:35.06 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: grep didn't find anything there? |
| 19:35.15 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: yeah it did |
| 19:35.20 | babilen | lenswipe: daemon.log is used by a couple of daemons |
| 19:35.22 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: it found daemon.log |
| 19:35.24 | lenswipe | kk |
| 19:35.27 | lenswipe | babilen: ah ok |
| 19:35.35 | arthur_ | thanks, i will check that. i updated a system today and it was working with etch and broken with lenny. |
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| 19:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | Debian's logging is a bit alien if you're used to say RedHat's. |
| 19:37.05 | cast | just read rsyslog.conf |
| 19:37.12 | jhutchins_lt | That's something I usually end up reconfiguring pretty deeply. |
| 19:38.31 | jok3r | hey, any idea why unhide-tcp would find one port not listed in netstat that doesn't appear anywhere else? |
| 19:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | reminds me, I need to reconfigure the mail log to rotate more frequently. |
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| 19:39.32 | lenswipe | damn laptop |
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| 19:39.35 | lenswipe | where was i? |
| 19:39.36 | lenswipe | ah yes |
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| 19:39.43 | lenswipe | im trying to connect to a debian VPN server |
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| 19:41.04 | lenswipe | it keeps giving me a 619 error |
| 19:41.10 | lenswipe | from the windows client |
| 19:41.13 | lenswipe | anyone know whats up with that? |
| 19:41.46 | fas3r | lenswipe, what client ? |
| 19:41.50 | neiljp | hi, I'm trying to install lenny on a recent intel motherboard system, but can't get it to identify/load the network hardware. the module is e1000e for an 82578DC part; I've tried various kernels including the lenny backport and sid/squeeze one, but although the latter two load the module ok, I can't seem to ifup the interface - it gives the no such device message. Any ideas? |
| 19:41.53 | fas3r | what type of vpn ? |
| 19:42.00 | lenswipe | fas3r: the one built into windows |
| 19:42.04 | lenswipe | and its PPTP |
| 19:42.25 | jok3r | neiljp, sounds like you need to do "advanced" repair using a live disk, at which point it will ask you to load modules for missing firmware |
| 19:42.31 | jok3r | have these modules ready on a usb stick or floppy disk |
| 19:43.05 | jok3r | anyone know how to find what this port is associated with? it doesnt show up in services or in netstat, only in unhide-tcp |
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| 19:43.15 | lenswipe | fas3r: any ideas? |
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| 19:43.21 | neiljp | jok3r: I've already installed ok, and then booted off install cd, switched to 2nd vt and dpkg-i the appropriate kernel |
| 19:43.28 | neiljp | (and rebooted) |
| 19:43.29 | superlinux | hi all. what is "Microsoft Bob web page"? as in here "If Hotmail went down, they didn't want it to be the fault of the Microsoft Bob web page. |
| 19:43.30 | fas3r | lenswipe, 2003 server . |
| 19:43.32 | fas3r | ? |
| 19:43.39 | lenswipe | fas3r: iew no |
| 19:43.41 | lenswipe | windows xp |
| 19:43.48 | jok3r | neiljp, does this firmware have its own package? |
| 19:43.49 | lenswipe | debian server |
| 19:43.49 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: whatever it is, it's not on topic here |
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| 19:44.16 | jok3r | for instance, bnx firmware has its own package in lenny |
| 19:44.44 | superlinux | I am translating a book to arabic. about software wars, mate. some american stuff I just can have a grip on it. |
| 19:44.54 | neiljp | jok3r: no idea; not sure how to find out; is there a post-install way of installing NICs? |
| 19:45.00 | superlinux | cannot have |
| 19:45.07 | jok3r | neiljp, if its part of a package you can dpkg -i the package |
| 19:45.08 | abrotman | superlinux: then try ##english .. it's not on topic here |
| 19:45.23 | superlinux | gosh.. |
| 19:45.27 | jok3r | neiljp, if not you'll need to find the firmware and most likely put it into /var/lib/firmware |
| 19:45.36 | superlinux | i'll ask others. |
| 19:45.37 | abrotman | superlinux: or #debian-offtopic if you think that might be more useful |
| 19:45.57 | jok3r | err, /lib/firmware |
| 19:46.00 | babilen | neiljp: /lib/firmware/ |
| 19:46.02 | jok3r | sorry, i automatically type /var |
| 19:46.09 | jok3r | :D |
| 19:46.15 | neiljp | jok3r: will try, there's non-free and free version, but the descriptions don't list which firmwares are included in (at least the free) package |
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| 19:46.30 | jok3r | neiljp, you dont need the firmware package unless it specifies your firmware |
| 19:46.39 | fas3r | lenswipe, try wih an other client instead of windows xp client |
| 19:46.39 | babilen | !tell neiljp -about e1000e |
| 19:46.48 | lenswipe | fas3r: any suggestions? |
| 19:47.36 | babilen | neiljp: Could you paste the output of 'lspci -nn | grep -i ether |
| 19:47.37 | fas3r | lenswipe, i don't remember the name |
| 19:47.42 | neiljp | babilen: ta; what I had read about 2.6.31 appears correct; however I installed 2.6.32 and no change |
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| 19:48.05 | neiljp | babilen: could be I just need firmware, but description is unclear and currently running on sneakernet ;) |
| 19:48.35 | neiljp | ok, don't think I need nonfree at least |
| 19:48.39 | fas3r | lenswipe, try with TheGreenBow |
| 19:48.45 | lenswipe | fas3r: is it free? |
| 19:49.01 | babilen | neiljp: Could you run 'modprobe -r e1000e && modprove e1000e && dmesg | tail -n 10' and paste the output? |
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| 19:49.22 | fas3r | at the beginning yes now i dont know but it exist a lot of vpn client for xp who are free |
| 19:49.23 | lenswipe | fas3r: the server is running pptpd remember |
| 19:49.25 | babilen | neiljp: We will see if it fails because of missing firmware |
| 19:49.27 | neiljp | babilen: sure, though pasting will be manual :) |
| 19:49.29 | fas3r | haa yes |
| 19:49.34 | lenswipe | is that compatable with IP-Sec? |
| 19:49.35 | fas3r | sorry it's an ip sec client |
| 19:49.54 | babilen | neiljp: ah - the second modprobe has a typo ... and just summarise the result then :-) |
| 19:50.58 | neiljp | babilen: have possible weirdness: all appears ok, but udev is saying that eth0 has been renamed to eth1... |
| 19:51.21 | neiljp | so will try renaming eth0->1 in interfaces |
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| 19:51.32 | lenswipe | fas3r: soo... |
| 19:51.33 | fas3r | lenswipe, have you try this : http://www.windowsnetworking.com/articles_tutorials/Client_Based_VPN_via_PPTP.html ? |
| 19:51.37 | lenswipe | ok |
| 19:51.39 | lenswipe | ill try it |
| 19:51.44 | fas3r | ok |
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| 19:51.58 | babilen | !tell neiljp -about 70 |
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| 19:52.34 | jok3r | hey, so how can i determine what the source of the port that shows up in unhide-tcp? |
| 19:52.46 | babilen | neiljp: Edit that file to your liking, or just remove the "wrong" entries and there and repeat the 'modprobe -r e1000e && modprobe e1000e' dance |
| 19:52.47 | lenswipe | fas3r: yeah thats what doesnt work |
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| 19:52.53 | lenswipe | fas3r: thats whats giving me the 619 |
| 19:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | I need a howto on setting up a VPN for windows users on a linux system that doesn't require four different servers. |
| 19:53.24 | fas3r | heu no log on pptpd ? |
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| 19:54.19 | neiljp | babilen: edited and ifup'ed - its now 'just' complaining about 'NIC link', which don't know if is cable, but this is an improvement! |
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| 19:54.36 | jok3r | hey, so how can i determine what is the source of the port that shows up in unhide-tcp? |
| 19:54.53 | babilen | neiljp: something like 'link is not ready' ? |
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| 19:55.15 | fas3r | jok3r, have you try netstat ? |
| 19:55.15 | Martin84 | Hi anybody got experience with installing testopia on bugzilla, maybe knows a url to a tutorial? |
| 19:55.26 | jok3r | fas3r, the point of unhide-tcp is to find stuff that doesn't show up in netstat |
| 19:55.35 | Martin84 | I can't seem to get it running on bugzilla |
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| 19:56.51 | neiljp | babilen: no, e1000e: eth1 NIC link is down; it seems to have renegotiated to 10/100 instead of 1G, but that could be hub, not sure |
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| 19:57.02 | fas3r | jok3r, haaa ok i never use it |
| 19:57.18 | jok3r | heh, i'm just wondering because there's no running process, no service, etc, but it still shows up |
| 19:57.19 | neiljp | babilen: either way, think its a net issue now, rather than hw |
| 19:57.28 | jok3r | fas3r, i run it on my own system and it shows nothing, so i'm curious |
| 19:57.33 | neiljp | plays with interfaces |
| 19:57.49 | fas3r | if i remember on my T60 (thinkpad) i need to plugin in the ethernet wire before i switch n it ... |
| 19:58.07 | fas3r | and it's a e1000 modules |
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| 19:58.23 | jok3r | fas3r, yah, in the past i had an init script that once everything else was running would ifdown then up |
| 19:58.35 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know what the difference between the soffice and ooffice binaries is? |
| 19:58.40 | fas3r | jok3r, not for you ;) |
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| 19:58.57 | jok3r | so does anyone know how i can track down what's using this port? |
| 19:59.07 | fas3r | it's for neiljp |
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| 19:59.24 | babilen | neiljp: ok, let us know if you need help |
| 19:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | neiljp: How are you determining the link speed? |
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| 20:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | I believe there's a known issue with the firmware for the e1000e in recent kernels (as in it's been moved to the firmware package). |
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| 20:01.38 | jok3r | jhutchins, any idea how i can track down what's using this port? |
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| 20:02.00 | neiljp | jhutchins_lt: well it is 'working' without firmware package, but can't get any connectivity yet - checking that its not a net config issue first |
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| 20:02.40 | neiljp | think my route might be dodgy |
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| 20:03.29 | fas3r | neiljp, have you try with the last knoppix ? ( just to test if it work ..) |
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| 20:03.50 | fas3r | check what kernel it is and compil it on your lenny ... |
| 20:03.53 | jok3r | fas3r, do you know of any way of tracking down the port without using netstat? |
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| 20:04.34 | nooper | lsof -Pni shows ports associated with processes |
| 20:04.34 | fas3r | tcpdump |
| 20:04.47 | jok3r | nooper, nothing in lsof unfortunately either, i thought of that |
| 20:04.49 | jok3r | fas3r, ouch |
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| 20:05.07 | fas3r | no ? |
| 20:05.38 | jok3r | fas3r, that will work assuming the application is actively using the interface :\ |
| 20:05.44 | jok3r | if it's not using it right now then we have a problem |
| 20:06.42 | neiljp | jhutchins_lt: wrt link speed, it states: e1000e: eth1 NIC link is down\n e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Up 1000Mbps Full Duplex, Flow control: RX |
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| 20:07.06 | neiljp | jhutchins_lt: then goes to e1000e: eth1 NIC link is down |
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| 20:08.05 | Illuminatus | hi |
| 20:08.09 | neiljp | jhutchins_lt: before finally the same end message but with 100 instead of 1000, followed by an eth1: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO |
| 20:08.11 | Illuminatus | I have a question, if I try to mount a nfs dir with an uid that doesn't exist in the server and I'm not using all_squash, could I mount it ? |
| 20:09.05 | neiljp | fas3r: not tried with latest knoppix, been trying to use the net-install lenny cd I had already first (plus usb drive sneakernet) |
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| 20:10.58 | stuckey | What's it mean when I try to do a 2&> redirect and the console says "read only filesystem"? |
| 20:11.15 | fas3r | neiljp, i had got same problem with my laptop the best way is to use dvd version and install all package necessary to compil new kernel from dvd and download last on kernel.org |
| 20:11.16 | neiljp | jhutchins_lt: any idea where to find if I need the firmware or not? |
| 20:11.17 | jok3r | stuckey, you probably dont have permissions |
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| 20:11.24 | stuckey | I ask because I was trying to do it to ~/ which I know I can write to, and then I did "df . -h" and it said the drive was full |
| 20:11.40 | stuckey | I did this command twice, and the first time it ran fine, then the second time it said read only. |
| 20:11.58 | stuckey | I deleted one ~1gb file from ~/ and then "df . -h" said I had 60gb free. |
| 20:12.00 | neiljp | fas3r: well 2.6.32 is supposed to be recent enough for my chipset, according to dpkg |
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| 20:12.38 | fas3r | e1000 is in lsmod ? |
| 20:12.39 | zamba | in debian, how do i restart a pppoe connection? |
| 20:12.54 | abrotman | ifdown/ifup ? poff/pon ? |
| 20:12.55 | zamba | ifdown dsl-provider ; ifup dsl-provider |
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| 20:13.22 | zamba | i have auto dsl-provider ; iface dsl-provider inet ppp ... in /e/n/interfaces |
| 20:13.48 | neiljp | fas3r: its loaded now ok, seemingly, just not working - not sure if its a net config issue or something else (ie. hw) |
| 20:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | neiljp: I was curious about where you were getting the info on the link speed. |
| 20:14.07 | lxsameer | i use squeeze and KDE 4.3 from testing repository , my dolphin is very slow , does any one know this issue? |
| 20:14.13 | jhutchins_lt | neiljp: /msg dpkg e1000e for some info. |
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| 20:14.46 | jhutchins_lt | neiljp: I've had some realtek cards that would load a driver that was almost right - they could send just fine but didn't receive. |
| 20:15.03 | jhutchins_lt | neiljp: So that sounds like it's not firmware, but maybe not quite the right driver. |
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| 20:16.55 | babilen | neiljp: 'lspci -nn | grep -i ether' (as requested earlier) and get us the alphanumerical identifier in [....] |
| 20:18.05 | fas3r | maybe it just the wire :p |
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| 20:20.33 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Howcome I get the actual chipset names directly from lspci? Seems roundabout to do the -nn |
| 20:21.02 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: We can query the db for the best module and the kmuto link then |
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| 20:21.38 | SimManiac | hi |
| 20:21.45 | neiljp | babilen: apparently lspci isn't present... |
| 20:22.03 | neiljp | on another note - various network tweaks and I can ping google :D |
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| 20:22.26 | Z_God | hope, it's not too evil to ask this here, but maybe someone here has a clue what is going wrong here? http://pastebin.com/f51326690 |
| 20:22.27 | neiljp | and for *some* reason its now using 1000M |
| 20:22.31 | babilen | neiljp: package pciutils |
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| 20:22.39 | Z_God | I have this problem with every package I try to "apt-get source" |
| 20:22.56 | neiljp | babilen: sure, just kind of tedious when I just had sneakernet - now going to update sources.list and aptitude away... |
| 20:22.59 | abrotman | Z_God: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 20:23.00 | babilen | neiljp: 'various network tweaks' ? |
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| 20:23.17 | babilen | neiljp: Anyway - have fun |
| 20:23.18 | neiljp | babilen: as in network/interfaces |
| 20:23.33 | neiljp | babilen: thanks a lot! can give pci if it'll help anyone else |
| 20:23.34 | Z_God | abrotman: they don't know the cause either :S thanks for looking anyhow! |
| 20:23.53 | babilen | neiljp: Sounds like it is working now - so that won't be necessary :) |
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| 20:24.15 | rektide | i just installed the mpdscribble daemon |
| 20:24.22 | rektide | it added an mpdscribble user |
| 20:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | is still curious how neiljp is determining his link speed. |
| 20:24.36 | rektide | i've since gone and updated the configs & gotten it running under the mpd user |
| 20:24.49 | neiljp | jhutchins_lt: I did write mesg to you... |
| 20:25.02 | rektide | is there some way i can tell dpkg /w its statoverride file that the mpdscribble user doesnt need to exist? |
| 20:25.25 | rektide | so i can delete the mpdscribble user? otherwise, i get a: syntax error: unknown user 'mpdscribble' in statoverride file |
| 20:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | neiljp: Probably went to jhutchins - I'll go look. |
| 20:26.04 | babilen | neiljp: let us all know :-) |
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| 20:26.21 | abrotman | Z_God: i'd start by making sure you have the gpg key, and installing dpkg-dev .. have fun in #ubuntu |
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| 20:27.43 | neiljp | wrt link speed, it states: 'e1000e: eth1 NIC link is down' 'e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Up 1000Mbps Full Duplex, Flow control: RX' in a loop, before finally the same latter message but with 100 Mbps |
| 20:28.01 | neiljp | plus I can get a clue from the leds on my switch |
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| 20:28.15 | neiljp | for some reason it seems to be gigE now, no idea why |
| 20:28.27 | jhutchins | neiljp: Oh, sorry, wrt - you mean the web page for the router? |
| 20:28.38 | stuckey | Is there a package in debian for decrypting dvds? |
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| 20:29.05 | abrotman | oh i know! apt-cache search decrypt dvd ... |
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| 20:29.39 | Z_God | abrotman: already looked into dpkg-dev, it's not the cause not sure about the gpg key, thanks a lot! |
| 20:29.40 | babilen | stuckey: no - you need libdvdcss from videolan or debian-multimedia |
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| 20:29.58 | jhutchins | neiljp: ethtool will tell you from the linux end. |
| 20:30.25 | jhutchins | neiljp: pastebin your interfaces file so we can see how you did it? |
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| 20:31.12 | neiljp | jhutchins: sorry no, wrt=with respect to :) the messages I rewrote were from terminal when I ifup'd the interface |
| 20:31.25 | rektide | how can i delete a user that a daemon installed ? |
| 20:31.36 | abrotman | deluser is one way |
| 20:31.47 | abrotman | but the uh .. daemon will be unhappy if it's still installed |
| 20:31.49 | jhutchins | neiljp: Ah. Now I understand. |
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| 20:32.01 | rektide | abrotman: i can fix the daemon, i cant fix dpkg |
| 20:32.08 | rektide | syntax error: unknown user 'mpdscribble' in statoverride file |
| 20:32.16 | stuckey | babilen: Why is it that I can play them with vlc or mplayer, but I can't encode them? |
| 20:32.18 | rektide | preceeded by: dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 20:32.23 | neiljp | jhutchins: sorry for confusion :) |
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| 20:32.29 | jhutchins | rektide: Sounds like the user is already deleted. |
| 20:32.51 | rektide | jhutchins: i deleted him yes |
| 20:32.54 | neiljp | jhutchins: just happy now I can access the machine properly - ie. over network! this box is going to be running headless, so kind of needed it... |
| 20:32.57 | rektide | how do i make dpkg not shit the bed now? |
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| 20:33.29 | jhutchins | rektide: Well, you could re-create the user. |
| 20:33.47 | rektide | jhutchins: i want to get rid of the user |
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| 20:34.23 | jhutchins | rektide: If you do, dpkg will not handle that package properly, as you have seen. |
| 20:34.24 | rektide | so apparently you guys dont know this |
| 20:34.26 | neiljp | thanks everyone for their advice |
| 20:34.30 | rektide | but debian has a statoverride "database |
| 20:34.31 | rektide | " |
| 20:34.34 | rektide | and apparently |
| 20:34.40 | rektide | you can manipulate that database |
| 20:34.46 | rektide | with a program called dpkg-statoverride |
| 20:35.14 | rektide | and this database controls various things like insuring ownership |
| 20:35.18 | rektide | THE MORE YOU KNOW |
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| 20:35.47 | rektide | seriously for two people who've been in #debian for a long time, i would've hoped someone could've pointed me in vaguely the right definition |
| 20:36.08 | simonrvn | rektide: usually that way <-- |
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| 20:36.48 | rektide | "undelete the user" "delete him and let it break" are such classic IRC bullshit answers |
| 20:37.18 | dflow | hi, who to aptitude install something with high debconf priority ? I want to answer to all question even for those that are default ? |
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| 20:37.57 | BryanL_ | Hello. Is it possible to watch a text log file (namely mail.log) in real time? |
| 20:38.02 | oggei | rektide: then claim ur money back and switch to facebook |
| 20:38.12 | dflow | BryanL_: use tail -f |
| 20:38.12 | rektide | ohh snap |
| 20:38.14 | oggei | BryanL_: tail -f <file> |
| 20:38.18 | rektide | wait that doesnt even make any fucking sense |
| 20:38.35 | rektide | the money back is obvious cynicism, but the facebook part, that really is a non sequitor |
| 20:38.36 | Vasistha | Are ftp timeouts usually enforced by server-side or client-side? |
| 20:38.53 | bolt | finds a bowl of popcorn and reads up |
| 20:39.00 | oggei | rektide: the fact is that i'm not really care |
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| 20:39.35 | oggei | so i can also tell you to go eg. to circus, or pub. |
| 20:40.08 | abrotman | Vasistha: server or infrastructure |
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| 20:40.17 | high-rez | Is there a good way to restore an LVM snapshot? E.g. if I create a snapshot of my root volume, and want to restore it, today I might consider doing dd if=/dev/volgroup/rootsnap of=/dev/volgroup/root - but is there a better way to do this ? |
| 20:40.55 | Vasistha | abrotman: thanks -- I had a hunch that was probably it. What exactly does infrastructure refer to in that context? |
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| 20:41.18 | abrotman | Vasistha: little routers that have timeout defaulted to 500 seconds |
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| 20:41.36 | Vasistha | abrotman: oh, they could be anywhere between me and the host, huh? |
| 20:41.47 | Vasistha | although unlikely to be anywhere but near one of the ends |
| 20:42.36 | Vasistha | high-rez: how did you take the snapshot? |
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| 20:44.51 | high-rez | lvcreate -L20G --snapshot --name rootsnap root |
| 20:44.58 | high-rez | Where root is a 20G lvm volume |
| 20:45.03 | high-rez | So it's a 100% snap |
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| 20:45.43 | high-rez | err, i guess root would really be /dev/volgroup/root |
| 20:46.10 | high-rez | But essentially i'm using lvcreate with the size being 100% of the original (that way the snapshot nevers runs out of space) |
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| 20:47.25 | high-rez | And this works great, but there doesn't appear to be a mechanism to properly/quickly revert |
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| 20:49.07 | cast | high-rez: rename rootsnap to root? |
| 20:49.19 | high-rez | Does that work ? :) |
| 20:49.37 | cast | doubt you'll be able to do it live :< |
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| 20:50.09 | high-rez | That's a smart idea, but it means that root becomes a snapshot of rootsnap :) |
| 20:50.50 | cast | i'd ponder using rsync to resync the two filesystems, if the FS is still functional |
| 20:51.49 | cast | [thats if i were pressed to do it online] |
| 20:52.05 | cast | things may explode, /var comes to mind |
| 20:52.14 | cast | k, maybe i wouldn't do that. |
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| 20:53.07 | cast | anyway, enough speculation for me, work time! |
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| 21:00.48 | acidslep | I have the ehci bug :( |
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| 21:00.57 | acidslep | does anyone know of a real fix? |
| 21:01.16 | JPT | i don't know the bug :( |
| 21:01.24 | JPT | ehci sounds similar to ahci |
| 21:01.27 | JPT | ahci works fine for me |
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| 21:02.23 | acidslep | ehci is for usb. its a really terrible bug but i think i found a fix. it results in usb2 devices randomly resettting and failing all the time. |
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| 21:04.13 | Xesco | Hola |
| 21:04.28 | Xesco | alguien me puede ayudar? |
| 21:04.37 | wols_ | !es |
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| 21:04.37 | hayleyw | !es |
| 21:04.50 | gar_ | goto 40 |
| 21:05.06 | Xesco | ok thanks |
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| 21:10.18 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 21:12.12 | Muisje | Is it possible to change debian 5.0 from i386 to x86_64? |
| 21:12.15 | Muisje | i686* |
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| 21:13.41 | babilen | Muisje: You *might* succeed following http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ - but it is highly unlikely, not recommended and not supported |
| 21:13.42 | mnemoc | hi, i'm trying to debootstrap sid to a mipsel system with a 2.6.24 kernel, can I use udev 150-2 or I have to use something else? I don't get the tty's created on boot... |
| 21:13.50 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: the easiest method is to reinstall |
| 21:14.03 | Muisje | k :) |
| 21:14.05 | babilen | Muisje: You can install an amd64 kernel on your i386 box just fine though |
| 21:14.06 | dondelelcaro | Muisje: though you can do that using deboostrap and another filesystem if you've got it |
| 21:14.25 | Muisje | well |
| 21:14.29 | Muisje | reinstalling is fun anyway |
| 21:15.02 | babilen | Muisje: have fun then :-) But you should at least consider the debootstrap approach |
| 21:15.42 | mguy | Backup and re-install |
| 21:15.53 | mguy | What is forcing your upgrade? |
| 21:15.54 | Muisje | Nah.. the server isn't currently not production |
| 21:16.07 | Muisje | and the content of the server is virtualisation so |
| 21:16.15 | Muisje | i can just replace the container afterwards |
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| 21:32.09 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 21:32.14 | Azrael_- | how do you set up a proper firewall for preventing dos- and other attacks? |
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| 21:35.01 | jhutchins | Muisje: It might be useful to use preseed. |
| 21:35.25 | Muisje | or porn jhutchins |
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| 21:36.36 | jok3r | oh man, so i have a new question that dates back a couple of weeks |
| 21:36.46 | rudi_s | Azrael_-: This is a good tutorial for iptables, linux' firewall: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
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| 21:36.55 | jok3r | i can set it up so that LDAP syncs to samba and vice versa after some gritting of teeth and trying of many settings |
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| 21:37.04 | oggei | Azrael_-: try also shorewall.net |
| 21:37.05 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Here's another: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 21:37.08 | oggei | and lartc.org |
| 21:37.14 | jok3r | but now i want to be able to set my ldap password even if my smbpasswd is different, how can i do this while maintaining the ldap to samba sync? |
| 21:37.54 | jhutchins | jok3r: Pretty sure no, your smbpassword IS the ldap password, isn't it? |
| 21:38.26 | jok3r | jhutchins, at this point, but if i turn off ldap sync in the pam_smb module then you can change just the smbpasswd |
| 21:38.28 | p0g0__ | attended CSU Chico |
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| 21:38.37 | jok3r | at which point you can't just change the ldap pass cuz it has to auth against smb to change both |
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| 21:39.22 | jok3r | nvm, i figured it out, it requires that you prompt for an SMB pass at the time of change |
| 21:39.31 | jok3r | that way you change both after authing to smb |
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| 21:40.01 | grendal_prime | i need an ftp server that will handle alot of connections and high data upload. |
| 21:40.23 | jok3r | hrm, it's ugly but it works |
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| 21:40.38 | jok3r | now you have to double enter your password even if they're the same, but it will overwrite your smb pass once authed |
| 21:40.43 | oggei | grendal_prime: even ftpds 2xx greets |
| 21:40.46 | jok3r | so now it has the expected behavior of syncing ldap to samba exactly |
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| 21:41.04 | grendal_prime | security is not a consideration because this is all inside an appliance (the entire network is one appliance) |
| 21:41.37 | jok3r | anyways, im out of here for the day |
| 21:41.43 | jok3r | have a great evening guys and thanks as always for all the help :) |
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| 21:42.20 | grendal_prime | i was looking at pure ftpd. because of simplicity. However after looking at the specs for this server it may be handleing terabyts of data a day. |
| 21:42.23 | magyar_ | is there a grub2 shell like grub used to have it? |
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| 21:45.05 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:45.30 | eptalon | Are there any free alternatives in debian to the proprietary Flash player? |
| 21:45.49 | pickcoder | !flash |
| 21:45.49 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:47.50 | Azrael_- | rudi_s / oggei / jhulst: i know iptables, i just dunno what i should block and/or how restrict i have to set everything... |
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| 21:48.31 | eptalon | thx |
| 21:48.33 | porton | What is the simplest way to configure firewall for a client-only workstation? |
| 21:48.51 | oggei | azrael_: again, shorewall.net |
| 21:48.55 | eptalon | porton: whats a client only ws? |
| 21:49.00 | Azrael_- | k |
| 21:49.12 | rudi_s | porton, Azrael_-: Allow no incoming connections except the one you need, all outgoing connections. |
| 21:49.19 | porton | eptalon: Which does not serve as any kind of server to the external world |
| 21:49.37 | oggei | rudi_s: why ? |
| 21:49.50 | rudi_s | Azrael_-: You can use --limit to "prevent" floods. |
| 21:49.53 | rudi_s | oggei: Why not? |
| 21:50.14 | oggei | rudi_s: cause first step is to figure out what you need, and after design rules ? |
| 21:50.16 | eptalon | porton: incoming: time, dhcp, ssh, outgoing: permit all |
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| 21:50.38 | eptalon | porton: and perhaps ping |
| 21:50.42 | porton | eptalon: Which package to use? |
| 21:50.45 | eptalon | incoming, that is |
| 21:50.54 | rudi_s | oggei: Of course, just a normal setup. |
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| 21:51.01 | eptalon | porton: depends a bit; shorewall? |
| 21:51.18 | eptalon | porton: can't really tell you, my fw is a pizzabox. |
| 21:51.42 | pickcoder | eptalon: that's flammable, though |
| 21:51.49 | pickcoder | and will stink after a while |
| 21:51.52 | Azrael_- | oggei: according to the docu shorewall blocks everything in the satart -> not usable for installing it on a remote machine |
| 21:52.09 | oggei | Azrael_-: so read better and try again |
| 21:52.14 | Azrael_- | k |
| 21:52.18 | eptalon | pickcoder: I know I need a new one; however for what I need the current one worx. |
| 21:52.34 | oggei | in debian case, shorewall won't start at all unless it's configured in some way |
| 21:52.36 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: Read the trinity guide, it has a pretty good explanation of it's rules, which are fairly basic. |
| 21:52.42 | iluminator101 | hi i get the following error regarding my wifi setup http://pastebin.com/d1d7b46c9 |
| 21:52.54 | porton | Ideally, I would install a package and this could turn on a firewall for an outgoing only system. Which package? |
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| 21:53.12 | jhutchins | Azrael_-: The only shorewall installations I've done were two remote systems. |
| 21:53.26 | rniamo | hi |
| 21:53.33 | rudi_s | porton: Already installed, it's called netfilter, the default linux firewall. Use iptables to configure it, man iptables. |
| 21:53.55 | rudi_s | porton: But if you configure your daemons to listen only locally you don't need a firewall, use netstat -anp to check it. |
| 21:54.07 | porton | rudi_s: I dealt with iptables in the past manually. But now I want an automatic configurer |
| 21:54.08 | rniamo | i created a deb and i would like to put in in a repository (a small one because for the moment it is a small apps) but i have no server to do it, is there free servers where i can put my package ? |
| 21:54.16 | qwd | My trash icon is showing there are files there but there aren't. I checked ~/.local/share/Trash and tried emptying it several times by right clicking the icon. Any ideas? |
| 21:54.17 | oggei | rudi_s: wrong, again |
| 21:54.28 | rudi_s | oggei: Ok. |
| 21:54.43 | oggei | you don't need a firewall to restrict on daemon's sockets that you normally can restrict configuring it |
| 21:54.58 | pickcoder | rniamo: not that I'm aware of |
| 21:55.14 | babilen | porton: May i suggest installing Debian/kFreeBSD and installing/learning pf .. |
| 21:55.16 | rudi_s | oggei: As I said in the second sentence. |
| 21:55.20 | rniamo | :(, ok thanks for your answer |
| 21:55.24 | pickcoder | rniamo: you can host it yourself with a regular web server.. you just need to create the proper files and directories |
| 21:55.40 | rudi_s | But a firewall can be useful if you forget it, or install a new daemon, etc. |
| 21:55.43 | oggei | rudi_s: your last sentence is just wrong |
| 21:55.45 | rniamo | pickcoder : but it is so easy with dpkg tools ;) |
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| 21:56.07 | oggei | you don't need a firewall because you're a bad sysadmin, not for sure, really |
| 21:56.40 | pickcoder | rniamo: so just post the files for direct download |
| 21:57.17 | jhutchins | porton: aptitude search firewall has some interesting results. |
| 21:57.19 | rniamo | pickcoder : i'll do it but a repo is simpler i think |
| 21:57.34 | pickcoder | a repo is more work |
| 21:57.45 | babilen | porton: And there are a number of iptable rule generators. Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls and read the 'Securing Debian Manual' |
| 21:57.58 | pickcoder | unless you setup build + publish scripts |
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| 21:58.38 | tryfan | Hey All, |
| 21:58.52 | pickcoder | (which is what I did for a GPL DB app, when testing install/upgrade/removal scripts) |
| 21:59.21 | tryfan | I've got a problem with grub-pc (1.96) I think I've still got grub1 installed on /dev/sda, but /dev/sdb installs fine...this is on a dell perc6, mirrored drives |
| 21:59.52 | rniamo | if i create a repo on my computer and then i upload all file in a web server it should work ? |
| 22:00.23 | pickcoder | as long as the structure is correct, and all of the required files are present, sure |
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| 22:00.56 | rniamo | cool, it could work for me.thanks |
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| 22:05.14 | pinkisntwell | if i try to remove read permission for a file for all users, chmod -v reports that it has changed it, but when i look it's still the same. why? |
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| 22:05.55 | babilen | pinkisntwell: paste the commands and their output to http://paste.debian.org and we might be able to help |
| 22:07.31 | pinkisntwell | babilen: http://debian.pastebin.com/m38a7eef1 |
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| 22:10.34 | babilen | pinkisntwell: hmm, weird. Try 'chmod 330 delme' please ... If that does not help, run 'strace chmod 330 delme' and paste the output |
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| 22:21.34 | jhutchins | pinkisntwell: What kind of filesystem is this on? |
| 22:22.32 | pinkisntwell | babilen: nevermind, it's on a vfat filesystem, that's why it happens. i keep forgetting about the filesystems |
| 22:22.33 | pinkisntwell | thanks for the help though |
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| 22:23.01 | aaron | hey what's that application that you can used you're mouse on ttys terminal call? |
| 22:23.06 | babilen | pinkisntwell: :-D hehe |
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| 22:24.23 | SimManiac | aaron: gdm? |
| 22:24.45 | pipeline | gpm |
| 22:24.47 | pipeline | not gdm |
| 22:24.58 | babilen | off-by-one |
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| 22:25.07 | lenswipe | guys |
| 22:25.17 | lenswipe | the SFTP client built into GNOME has just stopped working |
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| 22:25.22 | babilen | lenswipe: You are making assumptions :-) |
| 22:25.29 | lenswipe | babilen, heh |
| 22:25.32 | lenswipe | when i try and open an SFTP location it just hangs |
| 22:25.44 | lenswipe | i can ssh out of the same box perfectly |
| 22:25.48 | lenswipe | but if i try ans SFTP it just hangs |
| 22:26.02 | lenswipe | can someone help? its been driving me crazy for the past day or so |
| 22:26.16 | qwd | try another sftp server just to be sure |
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| 22:26.29 | lenswipe | i have |
| 22:26.29 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Does scp work? |
| 22:26.39 | lenswipe | judd, theres scp built into GNOME? |
| 22:26.43 | lenswipe | jhutchins, * |
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| 22:27.11 | lenswipe | i can SFTP into other servers, just not that one - i can SSH into it perfectly on the same port but SFTP just randomly stopped working |
| 22:27.11 | jhutchins | lenswipe: Not that I know of. kde has fish, and there's sshfs, but scp is a console command like ssh. |
| 22:27.24 | lenswipe | i can SFTP into it from other machines... |
| 22:27.29 | lenswipe | anyone got any ideas? |
| 22:27.38 | jhutchins | lenswipe: What did you change? MOTD perhaps? |
| 22:27.45 | lenswipe | i didnt change *ANYTHING* |
| 22:28.01 | lenswipe | halfway though the SFTP session it locked up and now it just hangs when i try and SFTP in |
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| 22:28.07 | lenswipe | its been doing this for the past day or so |
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| 22:28.16 | lenswipe | i can SFTP to that same server from other clients |
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| 22:30.17 | lenswipe | anyone? |
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| 22:30.32 | tonytraductor | how did Opera let me on freenode, but I wasn't asked to identify to nickserv? (just trying out opera...nifty irc feature) |
| 22:30.54 | babilen | lenswipe: debug it - start nautilus with strace and see where it hangs |
| 22:31.10 | lenswipe | babilen, ok |
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| 22:31.33 | babilen | lenswipe: use wireshark to see the network traffic ... monitor the log files on the server you are trying to connect to |
| 22:31.33 | lenswipe | robert@shellium:~$ nautilus -strace |
| 22:31.34 | lenswipe | Unknown option -strace |
| 22:31.34 | lenswipe | Run 'nautilus --help' to see a full list of available command line options. |
| 22:31.37 | lenswipe | anyone any ideas? |
| 22:31.40 | nooper | lenswipe: does sftp stop working only after you start transferring files, or even if you just stay connected doing nothing? |
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| 22:32.05 | lenswipe | nooper, just if i stay connected doing nothing |
| 22:32.14 | lenswipe | then it crashes and refuses to come back up till i reboot |
| 22:32.15 | babilen | lenswipe: 'strace nautilus' (you might have to install it |
| 22:32.18 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 22:34.02 | lenswipe | babilen, now its stopped connecting to all SFTP servers |
| 22:34.03 | lenswipe | >:{ |
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| 22:34.22 | lenswipe | fscking computers >:{ |
| 22:34.27 | babilen | hehe |
| 22:34.43 | lenswipe | babilen, ive had a whole heap of sh** go wrong today in like 1.5 hours |
| 22:35.05 | babilen | sorry that you have to face this fucking shit :-) |
| 22:35.13 | NoReflex | hey guys! Any idea How I could make grep print only the words containing some string and not the whole line? |
| 22:35.18 | lenswipe | babilen, heh - me too mate |
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| 22:35.49 | lenswipe | babilen, ok i just ran strace nautilus |
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| 22:36.26 | lenswipe | babilen, WTFH? the file i piped it to is empty |
| 22:36.32 | lenswipe | fuck me, something else that doesnt work |
| 22:36.43 | babilen | NoReflex: 'man grep' -> '-o' |
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| 22:37.49 | lenswipe | babilen, "strace nautilus > nautilustrace.txt" should pipe the output to nautilustrace.txt shouldnt it? |
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| 22:38.01 | tabashco | lenswipe: strace outputs to stderr |
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| 22:38.09 | lenswipe | great. |
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| 22:38.17 | tabashco | you need to do something like strace -o <filename> for that functionality |
| 22:38.35 | NoReflex | babilen I have a bunch of emailaddreses in a file and I want to extract those ... the character which should be searched is '@' ... -o didn't work |
| 22:38.41 | lenswipe | is it possible for something to just ~@£"$ING WELL WORK! |
| 22:38.46 | lenswipe | sobs in desperation |
| 22:38.52 | thrashold | Hello. Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace is not working for me for some time. How can I fix this bug? It's pretty annoying to have to boot my laptop to restart X just because dbus crashed |
| 22:39.44 | themill | NoReflex: you might want to try sed for that instead, or widen the search pattern to keep non-whitespace text around the @ |
| 22:40.00 | babilen | lenswipe: You can specify the output file for strace with '-o' |
| 22:40.53 | lenswipe | babilen, can you give me the exact syntax please? |
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| 22:41.19 | lenswipe | strace -o nautilus > somefile.txt ? |
| 22:41.46 | oggei | heh, you don't read man, things will not ~@£"$ING WELL WORK |
| 22:42.01 | lenswipe | oggei, dont start with me, im really not in the mood |
| 22:42.06 | babilen | lenswipe: 'strace -o nautrace.txt nautilus' -- but I am not sure that this will indeed help us ... It's just a way to take a look under the hood :-) |
| 22:42.10 | lenswipe | babilen, thanks |
| 22:42.42 | lenswipe | babilen, yeah i know, can i pastebin you the text file? |
| 22:42.52 | oggei | lenswipe: that's your problem |
| 22:43.01 | lenswipe | oggei, welcome to my ignore list |
| 22:43.08 | babilen | lenswipe: sure, use pastebinit |
| 22:43.38 | babilen | lenswipe: You will have to connect to SFTP and get it to hang though ... ;-) |
| 22:43.59 | lenswipe | babilen, i just did |
| 22:44.24 | babilen | and just to make sure: scp works between the hosts, right? |
| 22:44.26 | zleap | NoReflex, i am trying to figure this one out |
| 22:44.35 | lenswipe | babilen, wonderful - now nautilus has frozen as a whole |
| 22:44.50 | babilen | Which version of Debian is this anyway? |
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| 22:45.51 | lenswipe | babilen, 5 |
| 22:45.53 | lenswipe | lenny |
| 22:45.54 | babilen | lenswipe: You might also want to try a GNOME specific channel. You can find a bunch at irc.gnome.org - I am not a GNOME developer .. |
| 22:45.59 | babilen | lenswipe: alright ... |
| 22:46.08 | babilen | lenswipe: can you paste the strace output? |
| 22:46.24 | lenswipe | i cant actually get into my home dir |
| 22:46.30 | lenswipe | nautilus hangs on that now too |
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| 22:47.00 | SimManiac | lenswipe: use dolphin :P |
| 22:47.22 | babilen | lenswipe: Just open a terminal, install pastebinit and run 'killall nautilus', install pastebinit and run 'pastebinit thetracefile' |
| 22:47.29 | lenswipe | SimManiac, im on GNOME |
| 22:47.38 | SimManiac | so? |
| 22:48.05 | SimManiac | the interoperability problems are back from the Iced years :) |
| 22:48.16 | SimManiac | freedesktop.org rocks :) |
| 22:48.28 | themill | lenswipe: have you tried command line sftp from this exact client to that exact server? |
| 22:48.30 | babilen | lenswipe: But it seems that there is something really broken with your nautilus installation. Not sure what that might be though. It would also be interesting to try this with a new user ... |
| 22:48.30 | oggei | nautilus isn't hanging, he obviously get lagged from strace |
| 22:49.01 | lenswipe | babilen, http://pastebin.com/m2fd6f3fa |
| 22:49.02 | babilen | oggei: yeah, likely |
| 22:49.30 | babilen | lenswipe: ang again: can you copy between the hosts using scp/sftp? |
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| 22:49.45 | lenswipe | babilen, i dont know - i cant actually connect |
| 22:50.00 | lenswipe | when i double click the icon for a host it juts hangs |
| 22:50.02 | lenswipe | just( |
| 22:50.03 | lenswipe | * |
| 22:50.19 | themill | lenswipe: put aside nautilus for a minute and try it at the command line |
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| 22:50.26 | lenswipe | ooh thats weird guys |
| 22:50.29 | lenswipe | it just started working again |
| 22:50.30 | lenswipe | WTFH |
| 22:50.39 | lenswipe | i wonder if that "killall nautilus" cleared something out |
| 22:50.56 | themill | fail2ban timeout.... |
| 22:51.06 | lenswipe | ? |
| 22:51.14 | lenswipe | fail2ban? |
| 22:51.18 | lenswipe | WTFH is that doing in there? |
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| 22:51.24 | lenswipe | i authenticated properly the first time |
| 22:52.16 | lenswipe | oh actually guys |
| 22:52.16 | themill | either that or killing nautilus killed of some gnome vfs daemon thingy that all the connections get pushed through. |
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| 22:52.21 | lenswipe | i cant copy stuff between hosts |
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| 22:52.27 | lenswipe | i get a "generic error" |
| 22:52.30 | lenswipe | whatever the hell that means |
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| 22:52.48 | babilen | better than "scanner something error happens" :-) |
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| 22:53.15 | lenswipe | hmmm |
| 22:53.20 | lenswipe | babilen, so any ideas? |
| 22:53.29 | themill | lenswipe: put aside nautilus for a minute and try it at the command line |
| 22:53.40 | lenswipe | this is really strange |
| 22:53.48 | lenswipe | i can write to the SFTP server i can createa directories |
| 22:53.50 | zleap | NoReflex, I don't seem to be able to figure it out, it just displays which lines have that word |
| 22:53.54 | zleap | or string |
| 22:53.54 | lenswipe | but i cant copy/paste anything |
| 22:53.57 | lenswipe | themill, ok |
| 22:54.24 | lenswipe | themill, how do i do command line SFTP? |
| 22:55.02 | themill | run "sftp" and read the very short and yet informative help text? |
| 22:55.22 | NoReflex | zleap: I found grep -o '[[:alnum:]+\.\_\-]*@[[:alnum:]+\.\_\-]*' book.list does a pretty good job but it still screws some lines :( |
| 22:55.55 | zleap | ah |
| 22:56.04 | zleap | that line looks scary |
| 22:56.13 | lenswipe | themill, yep it works |
| 22:56.24 | themill | NoReflex: there are many valid, common email addresses that won't match that regex. And many more exotic ones that will also fail |
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| 22:56.28 | zleap | i did grep -o pro .bashrc as a test, all it did was listing pro severl times as that appears in the words in the file |
| 22:56.28 | lenswipe | themill, but how do i transfer something? |
| 22:56.42 | babilen | NoReflex: http://www.regular-expressions.info/email.html |
| 22:56.59 | themill | lenswipe: "help" seems useful |
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| 22:57.35 | lenswipe | ? |
| 22:57.36 | lenswipe | k |
| 22:58.37 | babilen | NoReflex: Read the RFC 2822 part |
| 22:58.37 | lenswipe | themill, i just uploaded a file using command line SFTP |
| 22:58.41 | lenswipe | that works |
| 22:59.52 | lenswipe | themill, i can even use nautilus to upload stuff to my home dir on the remote server |
| 22:59.59 | babilen | but? |
| 23:00.00 | lenswipe | but i cant upload stuff to /var/www |
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| 23:00.12 | lenswipe | ...which i do have write access to before you ask |
| 23:00.21 | babilen | lenswipe: I guess you don't have the permission to write to that ... |
| 23:00.25 | themill | I'd double check that |
| 23:00.26 | lenswipe | babilen, i actually do |
| 23:00.30 | lenswipe | ok |
| 23:01.03 | lenswipe | yep that works |
| 23:01.04 | babilen | lenswipe: Could you try uploading a file to that directory. Also connect with ssh and check that you may indeed create files in there ... |
| 23:01.14 | lenswipe | babilen, i can make folders and stuff in that directory |
| 23:01.20 | lenswipe | i just cant upload a file to it |
| 23:01.24 | lenswipe | or copy and paste within it |
| 23:02.01 | babilen | same user? same host? same everyting except nautilus instead of sftp? |
| 23:02.04 | lenswipe | yep |
| 23:02.08 | NoReflex | My e-mail addresses are "simpler" : "</b> email@server.xx<br>" |
| 23:02.11 | lenswipe | well heres the thing |
| 23:02.24 | lenswipe | hang on a second |
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| 23:02.31 | lenswipe | lemme try transfering something with command line sftp |
| 23:02.37 | lenswipe | to /var/ww |
| 23:02.43 | babilen | I thought you just did that |
| 23:03.39 | themill | NoReflex: if they all have those html tags around then, then use sed to grab the address from between the tags instead |
| 23:03.40 | lenswipe | babilen, no, i wrote to my own home dir with it |
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| 23:04.35 | NoReflex | themill: they all have the tags. I don't know how to use sed to do that |
| 23:04.38 | cyberwalk_rj-br | Hi, anyone know how to kill a process with D status ? |
| 23:04.40 | babilen | lenswipe: brilliant ;-) |
| 23:05.31 | oggei | rotfl |
| 23:05.45 | lenswipe | babilen, heh |
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| 23:06.31 | lenswipe | babilen, there - done it |
| 23:06.33 | themill | NoReflex: sed -r -n 's,.*</b>(.*)<br>,\1,p' |
| 23:06.40 | lenswipe | i just transfered a file with command line SFTP |
| 23:06.44 | lenswipe | just nautilus SFTP dont work |
| 23:07.10 | cyberwalk_rj-br | Hi, anyone know how to kill a process with D state ? |
| 23:07.48 | oggei | cyberwalk_rj-br: repeating every minute won't help, and tends to disturb |
| 23:08.38 | lenswipe | cyberwalk_rj-br, a bigass gun? |
| 23:10.10 | NoReflex | themill: it doesn't seem to work...there are other lines matching </b> xxxx <br> ... |
| 23:10.46 | themill | NoReflex: ahh... you didn't tell me about them! change the middle bit to (.*@.*) perhaps |
| 23:11.09 | babilen | cyberwalk_rj-br: they are uninterruptible .. reboot to get rid of them |
| 23:11.12 | themill | NoReflex: matching email addresses properly with a regexp isn't worth the hassle. |
| 23:12.33 | NoReflex | unfortunately I have hundreds of e-mail addresses and I want to import them in Thunderbird...I want to use gre, sed ... to extract them and add them to address book |
| 23:13.50 | benji_ | Hi, I am wondering if the DHCP is responsible to fill the domain line in resolv.conf? |
| 23:14.27 | oggei | benji_: it depends on your config/installed packages |
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| 23:15.21 | benji_ | oggei, isnt it built in the DHCP protocol? |
| 23:15.59 | lenswipe | babilen, any ideas whats causing this? |
| 23:16.21 | babilen | lenswipe: no - i am not a nautilus developer. You might want to ask them :-\ |
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| 23:16.41 | oggei | benji_: dhcp protocol can transport various info, obviously you're still the admin and can choose what to use, and what not. |
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| 23:17.20 | oggei | the right question is usually "how can i make machines do what i want" |
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| 23:18.36 | benji_ | oggei, so if I listen to dhcpoffers, I should see the domain managed by the DNS ( if the DNS is configured properly ) ? |
| 23:18.38 | [-red-] | can anyone recommend a good dedicated webhost in the USA? |
| 23:19.23 | oggei | benji_: no |
| 23:19.59 | oggei | if you listen to dhcp offers, and choose to honor dns related info, you can choose to have your machine configured using dns info provided by remote dhcpd |
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| 23:20.15 | NoReflex | cyberwalk_rj-br: kill -9 ID ? |
| 23:20.17 | oggei | (those info can btw be wrong, or false, or anyway not associated with a dns) |
| 23:20.29 | oggei | s/dns/dns server/ |
| 23:20.34 | cyberwalk_rj-br | NoReflex, that doenst work ! |
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| 23:21.09 | oggei | cyberwalk_rj-br: this process is probably still waiting for something to cleanly die |
| 23:21.40 | oggei | if you can't manage to discover what, and really have to have it killed ... |
| 23:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | benji_: So you're trying to figure out what domains a given DNS server is authoratative for? |
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| 23:22.47 | cyberwalk_rj-br | oggei, but how can i find out what it is waiting ? |
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| 23:24.24 | benji_ | jhutchins_lt : actually I have a DNS responsible for the internal.mycompany.com, and I try to ping machine1 directly ( instead of machine1.internal.mycompany.com which works well ), and this fails. |
| 23:24.36 | oggei | cyberwalk_rj-br: personally, i studied a bit for understanding the whole, try beginning googling with "D process" and proceed |
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| 23:24.50 | benji_ | If I add "domain internal.mycompany.com" in resolv.conf it works well |
| 23:25.01 | benji_ | but I dunno how to make it automatic |
| 23:25.15 | NoReflex | cyberwalk_rj-br: try htop and hit f5 - it should make a treeview display |
| 23:25.20 | oggei | benji_: so you want to have something that does it for you, if dhcpd doesn't, you can install resolvconf and specify in interfaces(5) the right thing |
| 23:25.35 | oggei | something like dns-search foo.org bar.com |
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| 23:26.00 | benji_ | oggei no I want the dhcp to do it |
| 23:26.07 | oggei | so ask your netadmin |
| 23:26.17 | benji_ | none |
| 23:26.18 | jhutchins_lt | benji_: you can put "search internal.mycompany.com" in a static file, or you can tell the DHCP server to offer the search domain. |
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| 23:26.24 | oggei | as dhcp *client* does it out from the box |
| 23:26.26 | themill | benji_: if you're using the "resolvconf" package, then /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 23:26.32 | oggei | but still need dhcpd configured accordingly |
| 23:27.01 | benji_ | one sec |
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| 23:28.21 | benji_ | oggei, so I repeat my previous question, If the DHCP server is properly configured, can I see the managed domains in wireshark? |
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| 23:29.15 | oggei | benji_: mmh, i can't read this same question on ur previous lines |
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| 23:29.28 | oggei | so better if you decide what you want to accomplish, possibly one thing at time. |
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| 23:34.21 | benji_ | first I want to check whether or my dhcp server broadcast this internal domain suffix |
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| 23:35.34 | oggei | so you can sniff and you should dissect that info w/ wireshark |
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| 23:35.56 | jhutchins_lt | benji_: Yes, wireshark can see the data. Whether it's in a format you can read or know if it's correct is another matter. |
| 23:36.03 | iluminator101 | how do i delete a list files that i have on text file in a single row in a script? |
| 23:36.30 | oggei | rm `cat file-list` |
| 23:36.54 | benji_ | jhutchins_lt, is it possible to read it or not? |
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| 23:37.10 | jhutchins_lt | benji_: Not sure. The variable name is in hex. |
| 23:37.23 | benji_ | ok |
| 23:38.02 | themill | iluminator101, oggei: don't do that if you have spaces or any other funny characters in your filenames |
| 23:38.23 | iluminator101 | oggei so rm would go into the file and delete each one |
| 23:38.40 | oggei | iluminator101: sorry but themill is really right |
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| 23:39.26 | jdeka | exec 3< file-list ; while read -u 3 file ; do rm "$file" ; done |
| 23:39.27 | oggei | you can implement some safer method, at least cat file | while read f; do rm "$f"; done |
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| 23:39.50 | jdeka | what oggei said |
| 23:40.11 | jdeka | that requires the file-list to be one file per line |
| 23:41.03 | themill | and for your filenames to not have newlines in them... :) |
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| 23:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | benji_: You could always look and tell us. |
| 23:41.31 | iluminator101 | well i have something like this http://pastebin.com/d8e03ba4 |
| 23:41.38 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:41.51 | iluminator101 | so what oggei says would work right? |
| 23:42.17 | jdeka | yeah, even his first one |
| 23:42.29 | oggei | you can always transform a multi lines file in a single space separated one using xargs |
| 23:43.03 | oggei | so you can learn one method and use everytime but it's usual to have newline-separated lists, at least, i'm used to |
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| 23:43.49 | oggei | (and in fact if you do have space or others weird things in names, you'll loose that info on a single line one) |
| 23:43.55 | haqe17 | Hi, im having some trouble mounting an ext4 filesystem, though i have mount from 2.16.2 util-linux-ng. can anyone help? |
| 23:44.53 | iluminator101 | oggie so rm 'cat file-list' do i need the quotes |
| 23:45.21 | haqe17 | the error given is unknown filesystem type ext4 |
| 23:45.21 | oggei | beware, i used backtick : ` , not single quote ' |
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| 23:46.04 | oggei | backtick included strings gets expanded with command output, so: echo `echo yeah` will output "yeah" |
| 23:46.24 | oggei | echo 'echo yeah' will echo "echo yeah" ... ok, not the best example maybe ehm |
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| 23:51.30 | iluminator101 | thanks guys thanks oggie jdeka the mill |
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| 23:54.41 | phogg | haqe17: does 2.16.2 support ext4? |
| 23:54.53 | phogg | is so far behind the times |
| 23:55.04 | sthon | Is there any good reason why I can't get anything to work with exec .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.50 statements in snmpd.conf? |
| 23:56.40 | oggei | provide details, maybe posting relevant config snippet |
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| 23:57.26 | sthon | oggei: any exec .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.5x will not work |
| 23:57.38 | haqe17 | phogg: yes as far as i can tell, its documented in the man page and is from debian testing |
| 23:57.39 | sthon | even the examples listed in /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf |
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| 23:58.41 | oggei | sthon: so you're refusing to paste your config ? |
| 23:58.57 | oggei | mine works |
| 23:59.19 | sthon | oggei: not at all |
| 23:59.20 | sthon | exec .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.50 check_drbd /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/check_drbd -e Connected -r primary |
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