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| 00:00.30 | sthon | snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.50 returns nothing |
| 00:01.03 | oggei | read /var/log/daemon.log |
| 00:01.05 | sthon | exec .1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.52 top /usr/local/bin/top also returns nothing |
| 00:01.36 | sthon | oggei: just shows the connections |
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| 00:01.46 | sthon | snmpd[14236]: Connection from UDP: [127.0.0.1]:49494 |
| 00:01.49 | oggei | which snmpd version are you using ? |
| 00:02.00 | oggei | because exec got (not so) recently deprecated |
| 00:02.11 | sthon | Version: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 |
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| 00:02.30 | oggei | basically, iirc try to replace "exec" with an "extend" |
| 00:03.33 | sthon | oggei: that did it |
| 00:03.48 | sthon | this is a fresh install debian lenny btw |
| 00:04.02 | sthon | snmpd.conf still shows exec examples =/ |
| 00:04.19 | oggei | give back to community, file a bug |
| 00:04.28 | sthon | yep |
| 00:05.19 | oggei | you can also ask IANA for a private number if you wish, you did know ? |
| 00:05.30 | sthon | yeah |
| 00:05.32 | oggei | so you can have a personal number on private x500 branch |
| 00:05.36 | oggei | that's neat |
| 00:05.43 | sthon | I think there is already a private number for drbd for future use... |
| 00:05.54 | sthon | I'm just trying to monitor a drbd resource |
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| 00:06.57 | oggei | rule of thumb is you can't extend not-yours-branches and being sure this never collide, so ymmv, anyway good work :) |
| 00:07.49 | sthon | well it's only allowed on our internal network |
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| 00:08.05 | sthon | so I don't think it will be a problem |
| 00:08.11 | sthon | oggei: thanks for the help. |
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| 00:09.59 | oggei | you0re welcome |
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| 00:19.22 | benji_ | jhutchins_lt, oggei, With wireshark you can see the dns suffix in clear |
| 00:19.40 | benji_ | I finally fixed the dhcp configuration |
| 00:19.45 | benji_ | thanks a lot |
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| 00:22.47 | jhutchins_lt | benji_: Great! Sometimes just trying is the best way to find out. |
| 00:23.20 | oggei | yeah, wireshark dissect almost everything |
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| 00:23.47 | oggei | at least "normal" things, like standard dhcp fields |
| 00:24.47 | sepult | what does sysfs do ? |
| 00:24.59 | sepult | if i don't mount it, is it harmful ? |
| 00:25.35 | oggei | why you don't want something normally present, that also you don't know ? |
| 00:26.43 | sepult | wth ?? |
| 00:26.48 | sepult | ?? |
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| 00:26.52 | sepult | ^^?? |
| 00:26.53 | ravenbird | ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it |
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| 00:27.08 | sepult | ^_-^ |
| 00:27.09 | ravenbird | sepult: wish I knew |
| 00:27.19 | sepult | ok ok |
| 00:27.29 | sepult | it's not required however i see |
| 00:27.40 | sepult | maybe better maybe not |
| 00:27.43 | sepult | so ..... |
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| 00:28.43 | oggei | if you do trust community, then choose to keep things like that, present by default. If otherwise you don't, then don't ask on irc no ? :) |
| 00:29.06 | oggei | but if you want to learn, try googling sysfs |
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| 00:31.36 | sepult | now |
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| 00:32.19 | DrSlony | Hey, I have a shell account on a debian box and the admin isnt sure how to give me privileges to use aptitiude. In Gentoo there's a wheel group that being a member of gives one rights to use portage, is there something like that in debian? |
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| 00:33.21 | oggei | DrSlony: you have to be root to use it |
| 00:33.33 | DrSlony | is that the only way? |
| 00:33.41 | oggei | you can ask to be sudoer for aptitude |
| 00:33.46 | DrSlony | cant i be added to some group with privileges to use it? |
| 00:33.53 | DrSlony | ok, how does he do that? |
| 00:34.08 | oggei | he can man sudoers |
| 00:34.18 | DrSlony | /etc/sudoers ? |
| 00:34.23 | oggei | man 5 sudoers |
| 00:34.37 | DrSlony | thx! |
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| 00:37.44 | th1_ | I think there is a copyvio in one of debian's packages |
| 00:37.56 | oggei | file a bug against it |
| 00:38.03 | th1_ | but I'm not really sure if it counts or not |
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| 00:38.43 | th1_ | it's the ms-sys package. it contains a lot of different MS master boot records and boot sectors |
| 00:39.09 | th1_ | but I'm not sure if MBR is too small to be under copyright.. |
| 00:39.22 | limon | hi i did "dpkg --clear-selections", i think i mess up my debian install, how can i fix? |
| 00:40.27 | oggei | th1_: size doesn't matter, is how you use what |
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| 00:41.35 | themill | !dbugs 425943 |
| 00:41.39 | dpkg | DONE:#425943:S[ms-sys] ms-sys contains MBRs which are copyrighted by Microsoft (); Fri, 25 May 2007 02:54:02 UTC [] |
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| 00:44.04 | themill | th1_: ^^ if you read through that bug, you'll note that the package was removed from the archive for precisely this reason |
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| 00:44.45 | limon | hi i did "dpkg --clear-selections", i think i mess up my debian install, how can i fix? |
| 00:45.06 | KaKaRoTo | hi, I'm unable to install a package because of some error with the pre-remove script |
| 00:45.09 | th1_ | themill, thanks yes I just did |
| 00:45.19 | th1_ | I just wondered why it's still in etch |
| 00:45.31 | KaKaRoTo | I'd like to extract the content of the deb and see what the pre-remove script does, but I don't know where the .deb is locally |
| 00:45.44 | KaKaRoTo | it was installed a while ago so it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:45.47 | th1_ | I had the problem with a distribution I'm working on for a product and I created a fork of ms-sys to tttake out the proprietary code |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | KaKaRoTo: it may not be .. but the prerm is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 00:46.10 | KaKaRoTo | abrotman, thanks, i'll have a look |
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| 00:48.29 | Devastator | is there anyway to repartition an hdd that has only one partition and swap? |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | Devastator: something like gpartd |
| 00:50.44 | KaKaRoTo | abrotman, great, I fixed the stupid script and now it worked, :) |
| 00:50.45 | Devastator | abrotman does gparted runs in text console? |
| 00:50.46 | KaKaRoTo | thanks |
| 00:51.10 | CodeNinja | :| I thought apt-get upgrade <packages> would upgrade those packages, instead I pinned those packages, how can I unpin them? |
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| 00:52.07 | abrotman | !tell CodeNinja about held back |
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| 00:52.30 | abrotman | Devastator: parted should be |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | Devastator: make sure you have a backup of your data if you value it .. before you do it |
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| 00:57.24 | p3rror | hello |
| 00:58.03 | CodeNinja | thanks abrotman :) |
| 00:58.44 | Devastator | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:02.27 | Joelio | Anyone else here have issue with tcp (more specifically syn) after upgrading to lenny? Got an exim server that is under a high load and is now giving socket timeout errors on port 25 |
| 01:03.08 | Joelio | running a packet trace shows that the connection is open, syn sent but that's it |
| 01:03.18 | Joelio | running the older etch kernel is fine however |
| 01:03.51 | Joelio | It's also not a network driver issue, doing it on 2 servers, one with an e1000, the other a broadcom |
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| 01:06.52 | tunji | hi. can anyone tell me why if i use ~/.Xresources, nothing is recognised when i startx, but if i use ~/.Xdefaults it is? i thought ~/.Xresources had replaced ~/.Xdefaults? |
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| 01:07.52 | sepult | what version of X do you run ? |
| 01:08.27 | Tramp | Joelio: I remember lenny starting with window-scaling and thus giving some issues. |
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| 01:09.38 | sepult | wth are all those apt-get's and aptitudes and dpkg's ignore the |
| 01:09.38 | sepult | deb cdrom:// bla source ? |
| 01:10.18 | Alien_Freak | how would I install firefox or alsa drivers .. I can't seem to find them using aptitude to apt-cache . It's a fresh install of stable using the net install disk |
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| 01:10.46 | ChaozZBubi | Alien_Freak, on debian firefox is called iceweasel |
| 01:12.06 | Alien_Freak | thanks ChaozZBubi ... |
| 01:12.15 | tunji | sepult, 7.3 |
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| 01:13.30 | Alien_Freak | was having trouble finding alsa for some reason.. but it's working now. sweet.. that gives me everything i wanted |
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| 01:17.17 | sepult | tunji: i really don't know what happens, but it maybe some weird |
| 01:17.18 | sepult | bug, or a interdependency of X on some kernel modules or so, which |
| 01:17.18 | sepult | thereby not finding some features it requests may default to some |
| 01:17.21 | sepult | other or older behaviour ???!!! i really don't know! |
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| 01:17.57 | tunji | sepult, ok, thanks. np. |
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| 01:18.45 | sepult | and the versioning of X packages in debian and the actual modules |
| 01:18.45 | sepult | of X is weird in debian |
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| 01:19.27 | sepult | and there is even not a clear distinction between two X'es one is |
| 01:19.28 | sepult | X11 the other is Xorg |
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| 01:26.19 | fredcrs | hello |
| 01:26.35 | fredcrs | can someone help me? |
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| 01:27.46 | Tux^afk | ? |
| 01:27.48 | fredcrs | I accidentally deleted some /usr/include .h files (I know that's stupid) do u know how can I fix, I have the source and the headers installed |
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| 01:28.15 | fredcrs | I can install from apt because the repository is not connecting(timeout) |
| 01:28.21 | fredcrs | can't |
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| 01:32.06 | Tux^afk | has no idea right now |
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| 01:39.01 | LimCore | hi, apt-cacher seems broken. Anyone wants to look into it with me? I found the bug on ubuntu |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | then go to #ubuntu |
| 01:40.02 | LimCore | debian is the upstream of apt-cacher is it not? |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | they may patch it .. go tell them |
| 01:40.30 | hayleyw | jesus. every night you're gonna come in here and not listen? |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | listens pretty well .. |
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| 01:41.06 | hayleyw | abrotman, :P |
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| 01:41.30 | LimCore | hayleyw: what do you mean? btw, the downgrade worked out, all works \o/ |
| 01:41.37 | hayleyw | !ubuntu |
| 01:41.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | LimCore: go to #ubuntu, tell them about your problems with an ubuntu package. You've been told *many* times that ubuntu is offtopic here |
| 01:42.37 | LimCore | you fail to notice that I ment that the bug is upstream bug - present also in debian I bet |
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| 01:42.58 | abrotman | LimCore: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 01:42.59 | hayleyw | but he bets! |
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| 01:47.39 | octo_ | how do you get flash to use alsa-plugins-pulse ? It just ignors it |
| 01:48.31 | Devastator | which kernel is better for a pentium 233mhz mmx? 2.6.26-1-486 or 686? |
| 01:49.10 | sepult | Devastator: you poor kid |
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| 01:49.18 | sepult | lol |
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| 01:49.22 | sepult | oh man |
| 01:50.13 | Devastator | sepult well, was my router until last week :D |
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| 01:50.55 | abrotman | Devastator: -486 .. it's not a -686 |
| 01:51.15 | Devastator | thanks again abrotman |
| 01:51.28 | abrotman | Devastator: it's not a PII is it ? |
| 01:51.34 | Devastator | nope |
| 01:52.00 | abrotman | -686 applies to PPro, PII and newer |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | well .. ignore AMD/Cyrix from that era .. |
| 01:52.17 | Devastator | meh, it was running lenny 5.0, when I aptitude safe-upgrade it just upgraded 31 packages :| |
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| 01:55.40 | mike-burns | Trying to understand apt. I'm on squeeze, haven't upgraded it in a week 'cause things are working. I try to install swfdec-mozilla but it says: epiphany-browser: Conflicts: swfdec-mozilla but 0.8.2-1 is to be installed. Then it offers to uninstall epiphany-browser. Is there a more detailed explanation of the conflict? |
| 01:55.49 | mike-burns | Oh that was long. Sorry. |
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| 01:57.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | how much more detailed can it be? |
| 01:58.00 | mike-burns | Why is it a conflict. |
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| 01:59.01 | mike-burns | It wasn't a conflict in lenny, and now it is. epiphany-browser is Webkit; swfdec-mozilla is for Gecko. I'm interested in where the confict is. |
| 01:59.08 | DrSlony | Hey, which package must I install to have the "git" command work? |
| 01:59.17 | DrSlony | i tried git-core but there is no plain "git" comman |
| 01:59.18 | DrSlony | d |
| 01:59.44 | Devastator | mike-burns perhaps one uses a package that will broke the other.. |
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| 02:00.14 | mike-burns | Devastator: yes, that's the kind of explanation I'm looking for. Which package? |
| 02:00.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | mike-burns: try aptitude why-not swfdec-mozilla |
| 02:00.16 | Devastator | mike-burns lenny is stable, it's normal to have conflicts on squeeze.. |
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| 02:00.31 | hayleyw | Droolio, add /usr/lib/git-core to your path |
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| 02:01.23 | mike-burns | DrSlony: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/git-core/filelist - There's a /usr/bin/git in there. Works for me. |
| 02:01.32 | mike-burns | Kamping_Kaiser: i epiphany-browser Conflicts swfdec-mozilla |
| 02:01.36 | mike-burns | Nothing I didn't already know. |
| 02:01.47 | mike-burns | Devastator: Yes, and I'm interested in this particular conflict. |
| 02:02.10 | Devastator | mike-burns mail the maintainer :P |
| 02:02.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | mike-burns: then its a direct conflict. |
| 02:03.20 | DrSlony | gitaction gitfm gitmkdirs gitps gitrfgrep gitunpack gitwhich gitxgrep |
| 02:03.22 | DrSlony | gitdpkgname gitkeys gitmount gitregrep gitrgrep gitview gitwipe |
| 02:03.22 | mike-burns | OK. I'll do that, Devastator . Thanks for the patience, everyone. |
| 02:03.27 | DrSlony | I onlyhave those |
| 02:03.48 | mike-burns | DrSlony: Is that /usr/bin/git* ? |
| 02:03.52 | DrSlony | yes |
| 02:03.55 | DrSlony | git[tab] |
| 02:04.11 | hayleyw | Droolio, dude, that's why i told you to add /usr/lib/git-core to your path |
| 02:04.15 | DrSlony | from /usr/bin/, just checked |
| 02:04.16 | hayleyw | DrSlony, ** |
| 02:04.25 | DrSlony | [02:00:13] <hayleyw> Droolio, add /usr/lib/git-core to your path |
| 02:04.27 | DrSlony | :P |
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| 02:05.04 | DrSlony | there is no /usr/lib/git-core |
| 02:05.15 | mike-burns | DrSlony: Are you sure you installed git-core? |
| 02:05.49 | DrSlony | slony@host398:~$ sudo aptitude install git-core |
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| 02:10.44 | mike-burns | DrSlony: I don't know how to explain your situation. apt-file claims that /usr/bin/git comes from git-core. I installed git-core and have git installed. Maybe try re-installing? |
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| 02:11.07 | DrSlony | tried it, didnt help |
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| 02:11.22 | DrSlony | once more cant hurt |
| 02:12.26 | DrSlony | i see a 404 while installing git-core |
| 02:12.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | not installed then:) |
| 02:12.54 | DrSlony | http://paste2.org/p/657832 |
| 02:13.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | DrSlony: try and apt-get update before installing (or apitude update) |
| 02:13.24 | DrSlony | ok |
| 02:13.56 | DrSlony | yay now its installing :] |
| 02:14.19 | DrSlony | i didnt know aptitude fails when it 404s instead of trying other mirrors |
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| 02:14.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you have other mirrors in your sources.list? iirc security is only available via the official roundrobin |
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| 02:17.53 | rasiq | hello |
| 02:18.44 | slidesinger | I notice there are lots of tools for creating partitions on new HDDs, what is the tool of choice? Will be using mke2fs to format ext3. |
| 02:19.00 | abrotman | slidesinger: whichever work well for you |
| 02:19.04 | DrSlony | thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | slidesinger: cfdisk is like the one in the installer |
| 02:19.35 | slidesinger | abrotman: thanks, that will work well. |
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| 02:30.00 | rasiq | Good evening all. Where can I find the responsible for giving debian internal projects a new coordinator? |
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| 02:30.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | DrSlony: np |
| 02:31.02 | rgr | what is the definitive "one way" to change a hostname on a debian system? I tried hostname but then couldnt open a terminal! It said it couldnt find that host. |
| 02:31.17 | rgr | (this is following duping a disk from an identical HW system) |
| 02:31.19 | rasiq | There's a internal project called DEBIAN LEX that is really interesting to me (A lawyer). I think I can handle some updates there, since there's no one since 2005. The project is actually without a coordinator. |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | rgr: /etc/hostname |
| 02:32.04 | rgr | just edit? |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | rasiq: you could email #debian-devel perhaps ... see what mailing list they used to use |
| 02:32.41 | rasiq | Ok. Thanks abrotman. |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | rasiq: erm .. email debian-devel@lists |
| 02:33.05 | rgr | ok did that and no cant open aq terminal aqgain |
| 02:34.02 | rasiq | ok, np |
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| 02:35.26 | abrotman | rgr: you're supposed to reboot after you do that |
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| 02:38.18 | NetStatic | for the life of me i can't get mod_rewrite working.. debian 4. apache 2.2.3. -module loads and crates a log file but does not actually redirect.. neither through .htaccess or right in the site config |
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| 02:39.49 | Devastator | is there a way to see parted help command with some kind of "pause"? it doesn't show everything |
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| 02:41.07 | iskra | hey all, i just compiled a real-time kernel and it failed to create a initrd.img. this is my first kernel compile ever... is there more to do than make install? |
| 02:42.31 | NetStatic | isrka: initrd is made by mkinitrd |
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| 02:44.05 | iskra | netstatic: ok... thx much |
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| 02:51.10 | iskra | netstatic: what package has mkinitrd in it? |
| 02:52.16 | Devastator | great.. I didn't knew parted hasn't support for ntfs :| |
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| 02:56.26 | NetStatic | iskra: what distribution are you bulding the kernel on? |
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| 03:07.09 | Devastator | abrotman do you know if there's a way to create ntfs partitions with parted? |
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| 03:07.43 | abrotman | you mean with mkfs ? |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | oh .. no idea |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | i'd guess not |
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| 03:08.51 | Devastator | abrotman I had an idea :P |
| 03:09.52 | OldMonk | udev issue: managed to get disk naming working using a line of the form: KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="SATA_WDC_WD1002FBYS-_WD-WMATV4870667", NAME="sdb" |
| 03:11.08 | OldMonk | however, all the partitions are also named "/dev/sdb", and names are inconsistent. e.g. fdisk and parted show the un-renamed and the renamed disks respectively |
| 03:12.05 | OldMonk | any clue how to fix this? |
| 03:12.32 | ScottG489 | How would I ago about assigning and then using user defined tags? I have read up on some things in docs but they don't give usage examples and I can't figure it out. |
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| 03:16.53 | jaggz | in bc, how do you specify powers of 10, like 4e-20 (other than 4 * 10^-20) |
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| 03:17.08 | jaggz | any specific notation? |
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| 03:19.09 | panfist | is there a way to sort installed packages by size? |
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| 03:21.11 | Baloo | wonders if there's a way to make fglrx work with 2.6.32 |
| 03:22.15 | Baloo | Also, ashqh_ appears to be spamming everyone who joins. |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | again? |
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| 03:22.54 | Baloo | yes |
| 03:23.02 | abrotman | i meant you, not him :) |
| 03:23.12 | Baloo | Yes. |
| 03:23.16 | abrotman | never gets spam .. |
| 03:23.25 | OldMonk | ah, that was from this channel... i was wondering |
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| 03:23.27 | Baloo | ashqh_ is /msging folks when the join |
| 03:23.32 | OldMonk | ashqh_ Visit us at network chat and get bots + hosting special and free, /server IRC.ForChat.Net |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | OldMonk: please don't repeat it *in* the channel |
| 03:23.58 | Baloo | FAIL! |
| 03:24.23 | OldMonk | actually he pays me for spreading the word ;) |
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| 03:26.46 | panfist | i have several versions of linux-headers and linux-image taking up extra space...are these necessary? is there a way to easily remove old versions of software on my system? |
| 03:26.46 | abrotman | Baloo: i'm not sure there is a current method |
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| 03:27.30 | iskra | panfist: you can remove the ones you dont use |
| 03:27.53 | panfist | how am i sure that i dont use them? do i only need the version i boot into? |
| 03:27.56 | iskra | panfist: "uname -r" will tell you what you are using |
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| 03:28.03 | panfist | ok |
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| 03:28.58 | iskra | panfist: you could just remove the grub entries so it doesnt look to cluttered... they dont take up too much space |
| 03:29.10 | panfist | on my 4gb ssd they take up a lot |
| 03:29.26 | iskra | panfist: true =) |
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| 03:29.29 | OldMonk | if you remove the packages the next grup update will notice and remove the entries from the grub menu anyway |
| 03:29.29 | panfist | otherwise i wouldn't bother |
| 03:29.34 | iluminator101 | so i am trying to setup a dell 1390 on a laptop i installed wireless module from source and b43-fwcutter i am getting this error http://pastebin.com/d2a2e04be |
| 03:29.36 | panfist | that's nice |
| 03:29.48 | FIReun | I've got a new install on a second partition, and I want to move it to the local drive, where I have an old install, other than changing the grub settings n'what not, what would be the best way to copy it over? Would 'cp' do the job, or do I need to 'dd' ? |
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| 03:31.11 | FIReun | anyone? |
| 03:31.29 | OldMonk | FIReun: i'd mkfs and rsync, but that's just me |
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| 03:31.51 | KurtKraut | Is there a Debian JeOS (just enough OS)? Like a small as possible Debian install? |
| 03:31.59 | _theradar | FIReun: tar maybe? |
| 03:32.04 | abrotman | KurtKraut: use the netinst .. it's pretty small |
| 03:32.07 | Vasistha | FIReun: I'm not sure if you need to copy the /dev tree nowadays or if that is taken care of by the newer kernel dev system... |
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| 03:32.24 | FIReun | hmm |
| 03:32.32 | KurtKraut | abrotman, small to download, but is it small when installed? |
| 03:32.40 | ScottG489 | This makes no sense. If I run "aptitude search ?user-tag" just like that it gives me an error saying that it expects a '('. However when I run "aptitude search ?user-tag(sometag) it gives me an error saying there was a syntax error near the unexpected token '('. It seems to be that it is giving me completely conflicting errors. Can someone explain this? |
| 03:32.50 | abrotman | KurtKraut: it's not large .. a couple hundred MB |
| 03:32.59 | OldMonk | ScottG489: is that stuff single-quoted? |
| 03:33.04 | KurtKraut | abrotman, I need something like less than 25mb |
| 03:33.11 | OldMonk | ScottG489: ( is special to the shell |
| 03:33.12 | FIReun | haha |
| 03:33.12 | GnuBoi | dpkg: hello fucking bot.. would you like to suck my dick? |
| 03:33.13 | dpkg | GnuBoi: i don't know |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | !tell KurtKraut about emdebian |
| 03:33.20 | ScottG489 | OldMonk: Ok true, let me try that. |
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| 03:34.09 | iluminator101 | so i am trying to setup a dell 1390 on a laptop i installed wireless module from source and b43-fwcutter i am getting this error http://pastebin.com/d2a2e04be |
| 03:34.11 | Devastator | KurtKraut are you the same kurt from brasnet? |
| 03:34.24 | Vasistha | you're trying to set up a dell on a laptop? :) |
| 03:34.41 | Devastator | abrotman should swap partition appear on "mount" command? |
| 03:34.45 | KurtKraut | Devastator, yeap. How are things in Piracicaba? :D |
| 03:34.50 | abrotman | Vasistha: 1390 is the wifi device IIRC |
| 03:35.02 | ScottG489 | OldMonk: OK that does make sense. Now to add a tag to a package I would do something like "aptitude add-user-tag sometag packagename" ? |
| 03:35.06 | Vasistha | light bulb above head |
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| 03:35.13 | Devastator | KurtKraut too much rain! but I still have brturbo without korn :D |
| 03:35.15 | FIReun | _theradar: someone else said tar, I would never have considered it as a cross drive copy |
| 03:35.19 | OldMonk | ScottG489: sorry, i only know shell, not aptitude tags :) |
| 03:35.59 | ScottG489 | OldMonk: It is additionally confusing because there is also a option --add-user-tag along with the command line action add-user-tag |
| 03:36.03 | _theradar | FIReun: Its handy - preserves ownership/permissions and such. rsync would probably do the same thing. |
| 03:36.11 | ScottG489 | OldMonk: Alright. I am just trying to organize my packages |
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| 03:37.28 | FIReun | _theradar: yes, thats what I want to make sure happens... all the users are the same, so as long as all files (/dev probably is gonna need to be created correctly, but maybe the kernel *does* take care of this) |
| 03:37.40 | OldMonk | FIReun: udev handles /dev |
| 03:37.42 | Devastator | hey guys, should swap partition appear on "mount" command? |
| 03:37.51 | Vasistha | FIReun: [Mon May 14 2007] [13:03:25] <greycat> (cd /source; tar cf - .) | (cd /destination; tar xf -) |
| 03:37.52 | OldMonk | Devastator: no, only in /etc/fstab |
| 03:38.06 | OldMonk | Devastator: if you need to enable it manually: man swapon |
| 03:38.13 | FIReun | I built up a debootstrap debian sid on a flash drive, I've got it about polished and am ready to migrate it to the local drive to replace the old distro |
| 03:38.21 | Devastator | OldMonk so, "adding swap" on dmesg means I |
| 03:38.25 | _theradar | iluminator101: try upgrading your kernel |
| 03:38.29 | Devastator | means I'm using swap? |
| 03:38.44 | _theradar | iluminator101: for more detail consult google :P |
| 03:38.44 | OldMonk | Devastator: yes. "free" will tell you |
| 03:38.55 | iluminator101 | _theradar it is the newest 2.6.32 |
| 03:39.06 | Vasistha | FIReun: if I were you I would use a bootable cd e.g. grml to do the operation |
| 03:39.19 | _theradar | FIReun: I've thought about doing something like that but never tried it - good luck |
| 03:39.33 | _theradar | iluminator101: re-install maybe? |
| 03:39.43 | _theradar | iluminator101: the kernel I mean |
| 03:39.53 | iluminator101 | _theradar no way |
| 03:40.03 | Vasistha | FIReun: keep in mind of course sid will never be "all polished up" |
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| 03:41.41 | FIReun | Vasistha: hah, look I built from git, installed, and tweaked the kms radeon stuff, I'm aware that this sid install will never really be "polished" |
| 03:42.00 | ScottG489 | Ugh this tagging stuff is difficult to figure out. I just want to be able to add user tags to packages and then search with those tags. Does anyone have experience with this? |
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| 03:42.16 | FIReun | Vasistha: and I had to snag debs from ubuntu to get my printer to work |
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| 03:42.29 | Vasistha | FIReun: s'good, have fun :) printing is always a bitch. |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | hopes he did that right ... |
| 03:43.05 | FIReun | Vasistha: I tried doing what the printer manuf said to do for linux, nothing worked. snagged a few brother-debs from ubuntu -- first try |
| 03:43.18 | abrotman | FIReun: you shouldn't be mixing debian and ubuntu |
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| 03:43.46 | pickcoder | abrotman: identd user mask? |
| 03:43.49 | FIReun | abrotman: it has few dependancies and I had no choice |
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| 03:44.11 | abrotman | FIReun: that doesn't make it a good idea |
| 03:44.24 | FIReun | abrotman: now if debian would just add them to sid... |
| 03:44.41 | abrotman | you oculd become the maintainer |
| 03:46.00 | DrSlony | I tried to kill a process but its still running, how do i force it to terminate? |
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| 03:46.12 | OldMonk | DrSlony: kill -9, but be careful |
| 03:46.25 | DrSlony | slony 6157 93.1 63.8 2575536 2564676 ? Rl 03:20 70:48 /usr/bin/ruby ./launch_here.rb |
| 03:46.26 | DrSlony | slony 7158 58.3 9.1 380428 369056 ? Rl 04:32 2:19 /usr/bin/ruby ./rbot/launch_here.rb |
| 03:46.34 | DrSlony | how do i safely kill those two? |
| 03:46.49 | OldMonk | DrSlony: kill -9 <process id> |
| 03:46.57 | DrSlony | (safely = without killing anything else. those are the only 2 processes using ruby) |
| 03:46.57 | FIReun | abrotman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrotherDriverPackaging |
| 03:46.58 | DrSlony | ok |
| 03:47.19 | FIReun | abrotman: I've already taken too long tonight to muck with getting the printer to work for a report I have to turn in tomorrow |
| 03:47.21 | abrotman | FIReun: don't wanna look, don't have a printer :) |
| 03:47.23 | DrSlony | thanks! |
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| 03:47.37 | abrotman | FIReun: i would have printed to a PDF and taken to school to print :) |
| 03:47.57 | FIReun | abrotman: they charge 5cents a page |
| 03:47.58 | pickcoder | abrotman: you still using the punch card press? |
| 03:48.14 | abrotman | pickcoder: i just don't own a home printer .. |
| 03:48.20 | FIReun | abrotman: because some jackass kids are printing manuals out |
| 03:48.31 | FIReun | and ruined it for the rest of us who print maybe 10-20 pages a term |
| 03:48.32 | abrotman | FIReun: kinkos? :) |
| 03:48.39 | pickcoder | ships abrotman an old Okidata microline |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | wonders what manuals they were printing hout |
| 03:48.51 | abrotman | pickcoder: i'll take it! :) |
| 03:49.09 | OldMonk | abrotman: "Online Sex and Pr0n Locator Guide" |
| 03:49.13 | FIReun | abrotman: I dunno, but I've seen stacks on the printer |
| 03:49.16 | pickcoder | I've got two Kyoceras sitting in my office that need various parts |
| 03:49.21 | pickcoder | toner is about $40 a bottle now |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | what was that thing called .. the Arsonists Manual ? |
| 03:49.57 | FIReun | heh |
| 03:50.09 | FIReun | not quite |
| 03:50.14 | FIReun | and it was a cookbook |
| 03:50.15 | _theradar | abrotman: anarchists cookbook? |
| 03:50.34 | abrotman | maybe .. anyways ... |
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| 03:50.40 | ScottG489 | Ugh, i wasn't root, that was th eproblem, but it wasn't throwing an error |
| 03:50.42 | FIReun | while I'm here, anyone had any problems with sid having a laggy mouse in 3d games? |
| 03:50.51 | pickcoder | the jolly roger? |
| 03:51.11 | FIReun | i've tried tweaking the poll rate, but that didnt seem to work -- I blame evdev |
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| 03:52.05 | ScottG489 | I'd say that is a bug in aptitude. It exits with 0 if I try to add a user tag to a package even if I am not root even though it is ultimately not adding that tag |
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| 03:52.19 | FIReun | I tried the SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=0 trick, also no joy |
| 03:52.23 | epaphus | Hello, does debian offer an option to encryppt the filesystem during the install?? |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:52.42 | abrotman | !tell epaphus about ig |
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| 04:00.21 | Vasistha | epaphus: there are a couple snafus but it works alright for the most part |
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| 04:01.03 | epaphus | Vasistha, like having two enter the passphrase multiple times? |
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| 04:02.30 | Troleitor | Am I in the channel? |
| 04:02.48 | Vasistha | epaphus: no, more like... if you've already scrambled the partition, it insists on rescrambling it which is time consuming; the guided install insists on a swap partition even if installing to a flash drive, and I never figured out a way to simply remove that -- always had to back up and do a manual install |
| 04:03.35 | Vasistha | epaphus: and then you have to be careful when it finishes about installing grub -- I've had major boot trouble. But again, I was installing to a removeable usb flash drive, so you might not be touched by any of those issues |
| 04:03.41 | rgr | is there a way for one of the package managers to regenerate the gnome menus? My menus are a tad sparse ( |
| 04:03.46 | Vasistha | Troleitor: yes |
| 04:03.52 | epaphus | tnx |
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| 04:04.13 | Vasistha | !ops Troleitor is sending PM spam |
| 04:04.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vasistha complains about: Troleitor is sending PM spam |
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| 04:04.31 | Troleitor | What did I send? |
| 04:04.31 | Troleitor | I am not |
| 04:04.38 | streuner | uh |
| 04:04.43 | abrotman | ? |
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| 04:04.58 | abrotman | Vasistha: msg me the spam ? |
| 04:05.05 | Vasistha | well, it's my word against yours :) just a sec, I'll get a quote |
| 04:05.20 | epaphus | he is |
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| 04:05.29 | Troleitor | I am not pming |
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| 04:07.25 | streuner | hm |
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| 04:08.23 | streuner | How can someone so silly in order to use IRC and said, s(he) never sys that... |
| 04:08.32 | streuner | s/sys/say/ |
| 04:08.47 | streuner | shakes his head |
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| 04:10.32 | pickcoder | uh abrotman: you banned the web client |
| 04:10.43 | abrotman | i'm aware |
| 04:11.32 | OldMonk | that's what the buddha said when he achieved nirvana and someone asked him, "who are you?" |
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| 04:12.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: i told the appropriate people .. |
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| 04:12.43 | pickcoder | s'okay with me, just wanted to make sure you meant to do that |
| 04:13.29 | pickcoder | I'll start up a telnet session and type IRC protocol in by hand before I use a web app |
| 04:13.58 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:14.30 | dbbolton | i didn't know anyone still used telnet |
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| 04:14.51 | streuner | sue, in order test things |
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| 04:15.02 | pickcoder | telnet is a valuable tool |
| 04:15.08 | pickcoder | ftp, on the other hand, is questionable |
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| 04:16.37 | pickcoder | shoots JNSamuel's tires out |
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| 04:17.52 | streuner | yep, thats annoying |
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| 04:18.23 | streuner | pickoder, well, i just use ignore |
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| 04:18.37 | streuner | well, |
| 04:19.08 | streuner | hm |
| 04:20.04 | pickcoder | you'd have to ignore all joins and server messages |
| 04:20.10 | pickcoder | might as well just log off |
| 04:20.21 | streuner | ah, right |
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| 04:27.24 | Vasistha | so, I guess now it is time for me to remount my new /usr partition... is this safe to do live, or should I go into single user mode or something? |
| 04:27.43 | Vasistha | erm - s/remount/mount/ |
| 04:27.50 | dbbolton | sounds unnecessary |
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| 04:28.08 | pickcoder | Vasistha: depends on what's in use |
| 04:28.11 | Vasistha | I should hope it would be unnecessary for /usr |
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| 04:28.44 | Vasistha | pickcoder: hmm. how might I detect if something sensitive is in use? |
| 04:29.10 | pickcoder | check with lsof? |
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| 04:33.29 | Da_Wrecka | Oof, Silent Death sounds like an interesting perk to bring to Fallout 3. Not sure it's possible though... |
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| 04:37.26 | Brenden_- | Hi, i don't have audio but i did before but it's gone now and i don't know why |
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| 04:38.45 | Vasistha | Brenden_-: sorry to hear that. do you have any idea what changed? Did you do an upgrade of some sort? Or install some new software that might be controlling the audio? Are you sure your speakers are turned on? |
| 04:39.01 | Brenden_- | Well i did install XFCE |
| 04:39.25 | OldMonk | Brenden_-: find a .wav file and: aplay file.wav |
| 04:39.48 | Brenden_- | Nothing that uses sound works |
| 04:40.02 | OldMonk | not even aplay? |
| 04:40.10 | Brenden_- | eh |
| 04:40.10 | Brenden_- | nope |
| 04:40.31 | Vasistha | Brenden_-: could be there's some mixer control that has all the sound muted. I'm not familiar with xfce but I'd imagine it would have a mixer |
| 04:40.49 | Brenden_- | i was previosuly on Gnome |
| 04:40.57 | pickcoder | see if alsamix has stuff muted or turned down |
| 04:41.34 | OldMonk | alsamixer |
| 04:41.59 | Brenden_- | no it isnt |
| 04:42.05 | Brenden_- | i turn up the master volume |
| 04:42.10 | Brenden_- | and i hear it being controlled |
| 04:42.11 | Brenden_- | like |
| 04:42.18 | Brenden_- | static cause nothing playing |
| 04:42.20 | rgr | you mean you heare louder noise? |
| 04:42.26 | Brenden_- | it's the matter the program's not workin at all |
| 04:42.38 | pickcoder | the program may be using the wrong sound daemon |
| 04:42.42 | Brenden_- | i can turn it all the way up and hear static cause |
| 04:42.47 | Brenden_- | how could i change that? |
| 04:42.48 | Vasistha | lsof +D /usr it is then :) |
| 04:42.49 | pickcoder | hates dealing with sound in Linux |
| 04:43.01 | pickcoder | Vasistha: yeah.. be prepared to wait a while |
| 04:43.02 | rgr | woh doesnt? its a mess. |
| 04:43.20 | Brenden_- | What can i do to change the sound deamon that the programs are using? |
| 04:43.21 | Vasistha | pickcoder: whelp, had to wait a while to do the copy :) |
| 04:43.32 | pickcoder | Vasistha: or just lsof | grep /usr/ |
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| 04:43.42 | Vasistha | pickcoder: would that be somehow faster? |
| 04:44.03 | pickcoder | if you don't see anything before the sockets then you can pretty much assume nothing's open on /usr/ |
| 04:44.13 | pickcoder | yes. the +D recursion is slow |
| 04:44.18 | pickcoder | but it's thorough |
| 04:44.46 | giwe | Is there anything going on with wpa_supplicant in testing? |
| 04:45.04 | Brenden_- | pickcoder, what would i do to have the program's use the other sound deamon? |
| 04:45.05 | pickcoder | Vasistha: by the time the +D check is done, you could have gone into single user, changed fstab and rebooted |
| 04:45.11 | pickcoder | :) |
| 04:45.19 | giwe | wait_for_connection_expired() in wpa_supplicant |
| 04:45.58 | Vasistha | pickcoder: I beg to differ. It's done, and that only took a minute and a half. It takes me quite a bit longer to reboot! As one might expect, there are a great many files in ues. Would pastebinning help determine if this is a safe operation? |
| 04:46.15 | pickcoder | I must have a huge /usr on my server then |
| 04:46.59 | pickcoder | it depends on the scope of expertise awake rght now |
| 04:47.23 | Brenden_- | So no one can help, eh? |
| 04:47.27 | pickcoder | find out what's running and has the files open |
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| 04:47.50 | pickcoder | Brenden_-: I would, but I've no idea about XFCE |
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| 04:48.04 | Brenden_- | is there like a command |
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| 04:48.17 | pickcoder | I had enough headaches with KDE and getting the OSS wrapper working with alsa |
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| 04:48.38 | streuner | why not ARTS? |
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| 04:48.44 | Vasistha | http://paste.debian.net/59215/ - lsof +D /usr ... question is, is it safe to mount a new /usr partition? |
| 04:49.00 | streuner | nm |
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| 04:49.38 | iluminator101 | how do i remove wl module from debian? |
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| 04:49.53 | streuner | its in the kernel? |
| 04:49.57 | pickcoder | well I'm not sure if Dovecot or Apache would appreciate the floor falling out |
| 04:50.09 | pickcoder | KDE crashes anyway |
| 04:50.22 | Vasistha | y'know... this is stupid. I'm just going to drop to single user mode and do it that way ... or maybe use a bootable disc. |
| 04:50.23 | streuner | iluminator101: well, if its compilied into kernel, you have a little problem... |
| 04:51.00 | Lafy | anyone know of a program that would capture SNMP messages and output them as RS232? |
| 04:51.12 | iluminator101 | welll.....this is no good, i think i have to switch to a different distro |
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| 04:51.46 | iluminator101 | well then again another distro isnt that much better anyways |
| 04:51.50 | streuner | why? just say to Debian it should ignore/no load the module |
| 04:52.04 | Vasistha | iluminator101: just blacklist it... |
| 04:52.13 | streuner | s/no load/not load/ |
| 04:52.20 | iluminator101 | this is the problem i have bcmwl5 : driver installed |
| 04:52.22 | iluminator101 | device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: wl) |
| 04:52.23 | streuner | !blacklist |
| 04:52.24 | dpkg | In lenny, etch and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 04:52.39 | pickcoder | Lafy: all of them? |
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| 04:53.09 | spersaud | what package do I need for compiz fusion ? |
| 04:53.09 | iluminator101 | localhost is pinging 16001 what is that |
| 04:53.14 | spersaud | running lenny with fglrx |
| 04:53.23 | Lafy | well, configurable would be ok, but it's a very limited network so all of them would probably be fine too |
| 04:53.38 | magyar | hi, how can i see the kernel revision on my running system uname -a only shows the major number |
| 04:53.43 | magyar | ? |
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| 04:54.20 | pickcoder | look at snmptrapfmt |
| 04:55.14 | OldMonk | wtf? on a clean debian testing install: ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address \n [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 04:55.19 | pickcoder | magyar: uname -r |
| 04:55.26 | OldMonk | and no, netstat -anep shows nothing listening on 3306 |
| 04:55.43 | magyar | pickcoder: "cat /proc/version" ? |
| 04:55.48 | pickcoder | OldMonk: is it in FIN_WAIT or TIME_WAIT? |
| 04:55.50 | rgr | Im not 100% sur eif I should store my domain name in /etc/hosts. Any clarity here? Or just the host name component? |
| 04:56.04 | OldMonk | pickcoder: nope, nothing on 3306 at all |
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| 04:56.17 | pickcoder | magyar: that will work |
| 04:56.34 | OldMonk | rgr: whole thing |
| 04:56.35 | magyar | pickcoder: uh-huh |
| 04:56.39 | Vasistha | rgr: you can store anything you like in hosts; if you know something will not change, putting it in hosts should make it faster. |
| 04:56.50 | rgr | /etc/hostname not hosts. sorry. |
| 04:57.01 | OldMonk | rgr: whole thing |
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| 04:57.13 | giwe | does anyone how to fix wpa with network-manager-kde in testing? |
| 04:57.45 | Vasistha | giwe: it may very well be specific to your wireless radio, so it would be good to share those details |
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| 04:58.01 | pickcoder | rgr: man hostname should explain it |
| 04:58.12 | giwe | Vasistha: ipw2200 |
| 04:58.22 | pickcoder | FQDN is not recommendde |
| 04:58.27 | pickcoder | ~recommended |
| 04:58.35 | OldMonk | pickcoder: it isn't? |
| 04:58.42 | Vasistha | !tell giwe -about ipw2200 |
| 04:59.02 | karlpinc | rgr: I prefer to omit the domain name. That's what search is for in /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 04:59.39 | giwe | Vasistha: It was working until yesterday. Do you know any other details? |
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| 05:00.44 | karlpinc | rgr: I haven't throughly researched, and I know there are various opinions, but I have had trouble with domain names in hostname and things seem to work smoothly without. |
| 05:01.31 | OldMonk | ok, the man entry says /etc/hostname should only contain the host part, not the FQDN |
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| 05:03.17 | OldMonk | found the mysql problem: lo wasn't up |
| 05:03.32 | pickcoder | well thars yur problem |
| 05:03.48 | pickcoder | I've pulled my hair out for long periods of time because of lo |
| 05:03.52 | OldMonk | heh |
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| 05:10.46 | teddymills | does debian 5 by default include ntfs read support? |
| 05:11.17 | streuner | it isnt a big problem |
| 05:11.25 | streuner | read support |
| 05:11.44 | nsadmin | "by default"? |
| 05:11.46 | streuner | !listkeys ntfs |
| 05:11.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 38): #debian captiventfs ;; #debian ntfs ;; #debian ntfs rw ;; #debian ntfsrw ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; _default ntfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default user accessible ntfs ;; ntfs ;; ntfs bootsector recovery ;; ntfs resize ;; ntfs-3g ;; ntfs3g ;; ntfsclone ;; rwntfs. |
| 05:12.03 | streuner | !ntfsrw |
| 05:12.03 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 05:12.19 | sparr | I've got a poorly maintained piece of software that wants to link to some fonts in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/, what is the modern equivalent of that? |
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| 05:12.43 | streuner | teddymills: well, you might need newer package, not sure |
| 05:12.50 | streuner | talking about lenny |
| 05:12.55 | nsadmin | if by "by default" you mean "in the base", no. but you can still get it |
| 05:13.05 | streuner | sure |
| 05:13.19 | streuner | backport for example |
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| 05:14.18 | streuner | judd, versions nftsprogs |
| 05:14.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'nftsprogs' was found. |
| 05:14.36 | streuner | judd, versions ntfsprogs |
| 05:14.37 | judd | ntfsprogs -- etch: 1.13.1-6+b2; lenny: 2.0.0-1; sid: 2.0.0-1+b1; squeeze: 2.0.0-1+b1 |
| 05:14.51 | streuner | hm, 2 supports NTFS5, IIRC |
| 05:16.00 | nsadmin | just remember that the programatic details of ntfs are not released. so any ntfs support in linux is based on guesses and reverse engineering |
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| 05:32.06 | WormFood | is there some gui tool with debian (testing) to configure the output of my sound card? I want it to output 5.1, and it is configured for mic in, and line out (I have front panel jacks for those)....I remember changing it before, but it was in some config file. |
| 05:33.19 | sepult | alsa ? |
| 05:33.29 | WormFood | pulseaudio |
| 05:33.39 | WormFood | alsa is lower than that, right? |
| 05:33.51 | sepult | i think so |
| 05:33.56 | sepult | i'm not sure |
| 05:34.00 | OldMonk | it is |
| 05:34.09 | WormFood | yeah, it sould be alsa then |
| 05:34.13 | sepult | pulseaudio is using alsa i think yes and several others if available |
| 05:34.36 | WormFood | right, that is what I was thinking too |
| 05:35.16 | WormFood | pulseaudio is an upper layer...the sound server that multiplexes streams, so multiple apps can access the same sound card at the same time |
| 05:35.30 | sepult | a multimuxer, -mixer, -plexer and -hub |
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| 05:36.05 | WormFood | I thought I remember seeing some gui app to turn on or off the front panel line out/mic jacks |
| 05:36.12 | WormFood | but can't find it now |
| 05:37.30 | sepult | line out and mic are shown in alsamixer too, but you won't find |
| 05:37.31 | sepult | the 5.1 output changer |
| 05:37.57 | WormFood | maybe that is where I saw it before, in alsa configuration...I was looking in pulseaudio config |
| 05:38.06 | nsadmin | multimuxer == multimultiplexer... |
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| 05:40.46 | WormFood | ok, maybe I found it..."analog stereo duplex", would be same sound to all 4 channels, right? (not really 5.1) |
| 05:41.39 | WormFood | maybe the duplex means it has input and output |
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| 05:44.15 | sepult | no the channels have nothing to do with 5.1 output i think |
| 05:44.27 | sepult | you can raise them to 6 in alsamixer if you want |
| 05:44.49 | sepult | but, that's not the same as 2.1 3.0 or 5.1 output |
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| 05:53.15 | giwe | Anyone else having problems with kde+ networkmanager in testing? |
| 05:53.43 | giwe | Is there a good way to downgrade to yesterday? |
| 05:55.11 | karlpinc | giwe: I don't use testing but I believe the answer is "no". |
| 05:55.14 | Vasistha | giwe: probably not -- downgrade paths are generally not supported. Keep in mind this type of problem is typical if you're running testing. I use stable myself. |
| 05:55.39 | giwe | Vasistha: yes, I know the risks of testing :) |
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| 05:56.18 | WormFood | unstable is more fun than testing :P |
| 05:56.35 | giwe | testing is usually pretty good. |
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| 05:56.48 | giwe | but in this case losing the network is pretty severe. |
| 05:56.57 | WormFood | unstable is fun if you're running a production machine |
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| 05:57.01 | dbbolton | giwe yes |
| 05:57.27 | dbbolton | i tried everything to get network manager working again in kde |
| 05:57.40 | dbbolton | my solution was to purge it and switch to wpa supplicant |
| 05:57.44 | giwe | dbbolton: oh so you are having problems too |
| 05:57.52 | dbbolton | not anymore |
| 05:58.12 | giwe | dbbolton: so purge networkmanager and install wpa supplicant? |
| 05:58.35 | giwe | dbbolton: I had horrific times configuring wpa with wpasupplicant in the past. |
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| 05:58.55 | giwe | dbbolton: I think it finally got going with networkmanager for me... |
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| 05:59.35 | dbbolton | wpa supplicant worked on the first try. i just followed the instructions on the wiki |
| 05:59.55 | giwe | dbbolton: maybe they have a better wiki now. I tried many years ago. |
| 05:59.57 | dbbolton | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 06:00.23 | dbbolton | the only thing i did differently was set a static IP |
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| 06:01.09 | giwe | dbbolton: looks pretty simple. lemme try. luckly I have already wpasupplicant installed. |
| 06:01.29 | giwe | dbbolton: I need dhcp though. |
| 06:01.57 | dbbolton | the only reason i ever used network manager was that the last time i tried to set up wpa supplicant it absolutely didn't work |
| 06:02.10 | giwe | dbbolton: me too :) |
| 06:02.17 | dbbolton | i see network manager as something targeted at ex-windows users |
| 06:02.32 | giwe | dbbolton: that tries to be smarter than us |
| 06:02.36 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.06 | giwe | dbbolton: it is definitely userfriendly though. |
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| 06:04.42 | dbbolton | giwe until it breaks and you have to try to write a config file with shoddy documentation |
| 06:05.00 | giwe | dbbolton: ha ha :) |
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| 06:06.29 | dbbolton | http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ |
| 06:06.55 | dbbolton | the extent of the "users" page is, "it's supposed to work so don't worry about how it works" |
| 06:07.21 | dbbolton | you have to dig a little more to find this: http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfiguration |
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| 06:08.50 | giwe | dbbolton: I'm trying the first page that you sent. |
| 06:09.33 | giwe | dbbolton: what if you have spaces in the passphrase? do you enclose everything with single quotes in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:10.14 | dbbolton | i didn't even know whitespace was allowed in WPA passphrases |
| 06:10.33 | giwe | dbbolton: well, it is a phrase. |
| 06:11.00 | dbbolton | ifconfig is going to ignore it anyway |
| 06:11.19 | dbbolton | i would go without the quotes |
| 06:12.18 | giwe | dbbolton: double quotes it is! who hoo.. |
| 06:12.22 | giwe | dbbolton: thanks. |
| 06:12.36 | dbbolton | it worked with quotes? |
| 06:12.41 | giwe | dbbolton: yep |
| 06:12.48 | giwe | double quotes not single quotes |
| 06:12.54 | dbbolton | ill have to remember that |
| 06:13.10 | giwe | I always like the old way messing with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:13.13 | giwe | liked |
| 06:14.03 | giwe | dbbolton: I can't believe seeing it work after many years trying ha ha |
| 06:14.14 | dbbolton | same for me |
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| 06:14.27 | dbbolton | i was so glad to be rid of network manager |
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| 06:14.42 | giwe | thanks for the broken networkmanager |
| 06:16.16 | giwe | dbbolton: rebooting box to see if gets the IP automatically |
| 06:16.39 | dbbolton | if it hangs during boot just ^C it |
| 06:17.03 | giwe | dbbolton: I already saw ip was fine. now it is hanging on dbus. |
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| 06:17.16 | giwe | dbbolton: another "feature" that I don't quite like. |
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| 06:25.39 | chelz | has anyone heard of 3rd party debs adding a file for itself in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for updates? |
| 06:26.18 | dbbolton | chelz yes |
| 06:26.27 | dbbolton | like opera |
| 06:26.38 | dbbolton | it really pissed me off too |
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| 06:27.07 | chelz | ah interesting |
| 06:27.11 | chelz | do they do any gpg signing? |
| 06:28.17 | dbbolton | i have no idea, but i kind of doubt it |
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| 06:31.41 | dbbolton | i think google chrome has similar behavior |
| 06:32.01 | leejongwook | how to mark fsck clean without checking HDD ? |
| 06:33.02 | leejongwook | I have much bad HDD, and it keep trying to check my HDD, and hung up |
| 06:33.02 | dbbolton | leejongwook why would you want to do that? |
| 06:33.33 | leejongwook | very much i mean |
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| 06:34.15 | leejongwook | actually it's my 5 years old newphew's PC |
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| 06:34.41 | dbbolton | why dont you use tune2fs to change the check interval to never |
| 06:35.00 | leejongwook | i did "tune2fs -c -1 /dev/hda2" |
| 06:35.25 | leejongwook | but it keep checking it |
| 06:35.25 | dbbolton | or change the error behavior |
| 06:35.37 | leejongwook | how do i change th err. behavior ? |
| 06:35.53 | dbbolton | man 8 tune2fs |
| 06:36.00 | dbbolton | -e continue |
| 06:36.14 | sepult | -e remount-ro |
| 06:36.23 | dbbolton | if there is an error, it will continue normal execution |
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| 06:36.51 | leejongwook | dbbolton, thanks :) |
| 06:36.55 | dbbolton | sepult he said he wants to basically ignore the results of the check |
| 06:37.02 | dbbolton | leejongwook no problem |
| 06:37.03 | sepult | oh ok |
| 06:37.04 | leejongwook | dbbolton, thanks very much ;) |
| 06:37.22 | dbbolton | you are welcome. remember that "man" is your friend |
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| 06:37.31 | leejongwook | :) |
| 06:37.48 | leejongwook | see you next time ~ |
| 06:37.48 | chelz | i guess for 3rd party apps that don't want to get included in official repos should at least prompt a user before adding itself to apt |
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| 06:38.58 | dbbolton | chelz exactly |
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| 06:43.49 | leejongwook | dbbolton, my nephew said thank you :) |
| 06:44.01 | leejongwook | see you all next time :P |
| 06:44.44 | nsadmin | an app's desire to not be included in official repos may not get its choice if licensing permits a maint to do the work |
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| 07:02.40 | Dewi | Does anyone know what I should do after suspend/hibernate to get NTP to correct the time? |
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| 07:05.17 | Dewi | I sort of want it to forget everything and start over |
| 07:05.38 | Dewi | since all its state will be more harmful than useful |
| 07:06.26 | Dewi | I think I might just 'ntp stop; ntpdate; ntp start' |
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| 07:07.03 | AviZ | ohai |
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| 07:09.19 | Maverick_M4 | oh hey |
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| 07:09.45 | Tobias| | When installing debian, a list of drivers/etc. popped up saying that I'd need to enable nonfree repos to install |
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| 07:10.24 | Tobias| | Is there any simple way to either get or retrieve this list again? |
| 07:10.48 | Dewi | Tobias|: hrm. What doesn't work? |
| 07:10.55 | Maverick_M4 | ^ |
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| 07:11.11 | Tobias| | Good question |
| 07:11.15 | Maverick_M4 | Tobias|: If everything works you can be safe to assume it installed the drivers! |
| 07:11.18 | Dewi | Tobias|: you could try looking through the logs during bootup. Any messages like that are likely to repeat each hardware probe |
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| 07:11.28 | Maverick_M4 | If nothing is wrong don't assume something is - that's just stupid. |
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| 07:11.51 | Tobias| | Oh, I'm enumerating a list :) |
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| 07:12.26 | Maverick_M4 | Tobias|: No. |
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| 07:12.39 | Dewi | Tobias|: I can never remember what goes into each log, but dmesg and /var/log/syslog are good places to look for boot messages |
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| 07:13.21 | chelz | is there a way to list hardware on a system that debian wasn't able to find a driver for? |
| 07:13.26 | Tobias| | Wacom tablet pc drivers (it's an x200t (tablet)) aren't there, although I'm sure I'll need to tweak X to get those working, wifi device isn't showing up under ifconfig, yet appears under iwconfig, |
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| 07:13.48 | Dewi | Tobias|: I'm not really familiar with "messages during install" of that kind... if they aren't boot messages I guess they might have come from specific packages |
| 07:13.57 | Tobias| | Beyond that, all that's not working is the thinkpad proprietary stuff |
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| 07:14.19 | Dewi | Tobias|: what about ifconfig -a ? |
| 07:14.40 | Dewi | Tobias|: ifconfig only shows devices that are configured by default |
| 07:14.48 | Dewi | s/devices/interfaces/ |
| 07:15.08 | Tobias| | Ah, ifconfig -a is showing it |
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| 07:16.54 | Dewi | Tobias|: usually means /etc/network/interfaces hasn't got configuration for the device |
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| 07:17.15 | Dewi | Tobias|: but I can't remember what special additional magic wifi interfaces need |
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| 07:17.37 | Dewi | (in fact it's probably all changed since I last did it years ago) |
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| 07:21.32 | Tobias| | *will be back in a moment* |
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| 07:22.21 | RLa | is it possible to get a list of installed packages for a machine? |
| 07:23.17 | wols | RLa: dpkg -l |grep ^ii for example |
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| 07:35.41 | pra1se | anyone installed qmail rocks successfully on debian box? |
| 07:36.05 | iluminator101 | hi i am trying to get my wifi going on a dell 1390 with ndiswrapper and i get this error bcmwl5 : driver installed |
| 07:36.05 | iluminator101 | device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: wl) |
| 07:36.42 | wols | !tell pra1se about anyone |
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| 07:37.09 | pra1se | wols: got it. thank you. |
| 07:37.10 | ivers | iluminator101: have you done a lspci -v and googled the device name ? the ndiswrapper drivers vary from revision to revison |
| 07:37.12 | wols | iluminator101: debian already comes with a driver for this card. if you want to load a custom one, you need to blacklist it |
| 07:37.47 | iluminator101 | how do i blacklist it |
| 07:37.47 | ivers | what the point of answering when wols is here |
| 07:38.41 | wols | !tell iluminator101 about blacklist |
| 07:39.00 | wols | I'd suggest to try this degbian driver first however. always better to use a native driver than ndiswrapper |
| 07:39.19 | wols | it doesn't always work unfortunately (shitty broadcom hardware :( ) but worth a try |
| 07:39.26 | ivers | wols: ndiswrapper does not always supåprt all revisions |
| 07:39.32 | ivers | damn typos |
| 07:39.35 | wols | that too |
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| 07:40.05 | iluminator101 | wols i added wl at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf that didnt work |
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| 07:41.12 | iluminator101 | wols i am following this "'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting" |
| 07:41.29 | wols | iluminator101: is the module still loaded? |
| 07:41.45 | iluminator101 | which one wl yea |
| 07:42.04 | wols | then obviosuly, remove it |
| 07:42.16 | pra1se | wols: I've installed qmail successfully in my box and it's running but I just want to test it if it works or not. |
| 07:42.16 | wols | and see the blacklist-initramfs factoid as well |
| 07:42.33 | wols | pra1se: so send and receive mail with it |
| 07:42.36 | iluminator101 | i am not following that part what do you mean |
| 07:43.19 | wols | !tell iluminator101 about blacklist-initramfs |
| 07:43.44 | wols | and these things only "work" after a reboot. cause right now this module is still loaded |
| 07:44.58 | wols | RichiH: right now the kiddies are quiet |
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| 07:45.45 | iluminator101 | i wil try that thanks |
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| 07:46.48 | wols | !ops |
| 07:46.48 | dpkg | methinks ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 07:47.03 | k23z__ | Greggaz|Laptop, dude what the fuck are you trying to do ? |
| 07:47.04 | wols | !ops please remove the startkeylogger guys |
| 07:47.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: please remove the startkeylogger guys |
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| 07:47.10 | RLa | wols, thanks |
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| 07:47.24 | k23z__ | wow apparently it works for Brendan- |
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| 07:47.29 | k23z__ | Brenden- ... |
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| 07:47.35 | RLa | Greggaz|Laptop, fix your bot |
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| 07:48.19 | mentor | Brenden-: Fix the stupid vulnerability in your IRC client |
| 07:48.56 | kavakava | mentor: There are a couple of DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER some pages up as well. |
| 07:49.04 | kavakava | mentor: And aren't it a problem in some routers? |
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| 07:49.11 | kavakava | D-Link if I'm not mistaken/ |
| 07:49.12 | wols | yes it is |
| 07:49.13 | kavakava | . |
| 07:49.18 | mentor | Ih that's the one |
| 07:49.25 | mentor | Brenden-: ^^ |
| 07:49.53 | kavakava | That exploit has been around for years. Almost funny it still works. |
| 07:49.58 | mentor | NoCode, Mr_Deffy too |
| 07:50.15 | tensorpudding | where does the default rsyslogd config log cron? |
| 07:50.18 | wols | it's d-link, netgear and linksys. plus some version of Norton AV |
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| 07:50.54 | NoCode | How do I fix it? |
| 07:51.08 | Freelancer | NoCode upgrade firmware |
| 07:51.14 | Freelancer | change to ssl port/connection |
| 07:51.16 | wols | you get a new firmware from your router maker and you ditch norton av if you have it (or update to a recent Av product) |
| 07:51.17 | Freelancer | or |
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| 07:51.34 | tensorpudding | it seems that rsyslogd.conf wants it to be logged at /var/log/cron.log, which does not exist |
| 07:51.47 | wols | tensorpudding: it should be created then |
| 07:51.51 | tensorpudding | and /var/log/messages doesn't message cron either |
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| 07:51.59 | tensorpudding | err, doesn't mention* |
| 07:52.02 | NoCode | What port is it? 3001? |
| 07:52.04 | NoCode | I forget |
| 07:52.20 | NoCode | Or 4001? |
| 07:52.51 | tensorpudding | anyway, the reason why i ask is that it doesn't appear that vixie cron is running my user-defined cron job |
| 07:52.52 | kavakava | NoCode: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess Are you thinking of the SSL? |
| 07:53.07 | tensorpudding | and i'm not sure how to check what it's doing because it appears to not be logged |
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| 07:55.02 | tensorpudding | doh, the entry regarding cron is commented out, didn't notice |
| 07:55.07 | tensorpudding | not sure why that is though |
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| 07:56.21 | tensorpudding | i.e. why the default rsyslogd.conf would want to not log cron |
| 07:56.49 | RLa | wols, is it possible to get installation date for each package as well? |
| 07:57.13 | mentor | tensorpudding: system cron messages are logged to syslog here |
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| 07:57.41 | Vasistha | RLa: you can look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 07:57.48 | tensorpudding | whooops |
| 07:57.50 | RLa | thanks |
| 07:57.57 | kavakava | NoCode: Btw, you should still upgrade your firmware, and not only connect using SSL. :-P |
| 07:57.58 | tensorpudding | there was another place where it was defined to go to syslog... |
| 07:58.03 | wols | RLa: not really. there is /var/log/dpkg.log but that doesn't cover everything of course |
| 07:58.09 | tensorpudding | i didn't bother to check /var/log/syslog for it |
| 07:58.26 | wols | RLa: one trick is to check dates in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 07:58.35 | wols | but nothing tells you dates for all packages |
| 07:58.42 | RLa | hm |
| 07:59.02 | timeoh | Hello, are there any options tu run 2 dirfferent services on one port? In my part, i have an webserver (80) an i want to run on the same machine an OCSP Responder. Alternativly is it possible to run the OCSP responder on a different port tha 80? |
| 07:59.20 | mentor | You might also be able to check the create dates in /var/lib/dpkg/info, depending on how dpkg does it |
| 07:59.47 | RLa | in dpkg.log i have lines like 2010-01-25 22:03:29 status half-installed esound-clients 0.2.36-3 <- what does half-installed mean? |
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| 07:59.58 | hoxu | timeoh, not really, no, but if requests for either of those are coming from a known IP range, you could make iptables forward them to another real port |
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| 08:00.03 | timeoh | i habe tried to enter an other port into the x509v3 cert but it doenst work that good |
| 08:00.12 | mentor | RLa: unpacked but not configured? |
| 08:00.18 | RLa | oh |
| 08:00.48 | timeoh | everybody out of my ip range should have access to webserver an ocsp responder |
| 08:01.01 | phlux | if crontab is set to do something "@reboot" it'll just do it when the machine is turned on correct? |
| 08:01.14 | phlux | i.e., the 'reboot' command doesn't have to be issued |
| 08:01.22 | wols | timeoh: maybe a port redirect via iptables? |
| 08:01.39 | phlux | if the box is down for days and finally booted again, will a @reboot crontab take effect? |
| 08:01.48 | phlux | ^better way to put it |
| 08:02.00 | NoCode | kavakava: I fixed the port. I've upgraded my firmware on my router a while ago. |
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| 08:02.27 | timeoh | how does iptables identifie if a ocsp packet or http packed arrived? |
| 08:02.32 | kavakava | NoCode: Goodie. :-) |
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| 08:03.10 | mentor | timeoh: The IP protocol field? |
| 08:03.13 | wols | timeoh: as hoxu said: IP range |
| 08:03.13 | mentor | no |
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| 08:03.22 | timeoh | no ip range is no option |
| 08:03.23 | NoCode | Once I can afford it -- I'm going to get an ASUS router, and put tomato on it. |
| 08:03.28 | jdeka_ | phlux: man page says @reboot means "run once at startup". So yes to your question. |
| 08:03.36 | timeoh | yes ip protocol fiel |
| 08:03.39 | phlux | Thanks |
| 08:03.43 | timeoh | but both is tcp :/ |
| 08:03.50 | wols | timeoh: then you have fun writing a proxy that can distinguish and route traffic accordingly |
| 08:04.30 | muuhh | hi. why is the openntpd lost in squeeze? |
| 08:04.38 | mentor | timeoh: Packet inspection probably |
| 08:04.45 | timeoh | ah ok. so ill buy a nem hpdl320 for my OCSP responder |
| 08:04.52 | timeoh | and the problem is solved ;) |
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| 08:04.56 | mentor | timeoh: Unless it's translating port names to numbers via /etc/services |
| 08:05.11 | timeoh | names to numbers sounds good |
| 08:05.44 | timeoh | ok ill try packet inspection an translating by name |
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| 08:05.55 | timeoh | uh a lot of work to do |
| 08:06.02 | timeoh | thanks a lot |
| 08:06.02 | kavakava | NoCode: Didn't know Tomato supported ASUS. |
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| 08:08.16 | NoCode | kavakava: Seen it on newegg |
| 08:08.20 | NoCode | Forget which model |
| 08:08.34 | NoCode | Pretty expensive though |
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| 08:11.26 | kavakava | NoCode: I actually have a ASUS WL500W (v.1) laying around while using a crappy Linksys WRT54-something with DD-WRT Micro. :-P |
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| 08:12.35 | kripz | Just installed vnc4server and i start the server, create password etc but i cannot access it from my windows machine or a web browser? |
| 08:13.11 | wols | is it listening? |
| 08:13.12 | NoCode | kavakava: Nice. Probably a GS? |
| 08:13.42 | NoCode | kavakava: Was it hard to put DD-WRT Micro on the router? |
| 08:14.07 | wols | kavakava, NoCode: ##linksys? ##asus? ##ddwrt? |
| 08:15.39 | kavakava | wols: More like #Debian-Offtopic ;-) |
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| 08:16.50 | kavakava | NoCode: And to answer your question before limping off. Don't remember (and too lazy to check), and it was moderate difficult. Was a bit hacking and tweaking, but got help from a friend. |
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| 08:21.33 | iluminator101 | wols didnt work |
| 08:22.16 | kripz | wols, yes it's listening |
| 08:22.29 | iluminator101 | so when i install native wl it conflicts with ethernet driver, so i dont man |
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| 08:24.54 | iluminator101 | what equalvent of this in debian linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 08:26.31 | iluminator101 | wifi light is on but wicd is not picking it up |
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| 08:27.49 | iluminator101 | iwconfig http://pastebin.com/d476a38f8 |
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| 08:30.40 | wols | iluminator101: what does not work? |
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| 08:31.11 | iluminator101 | wifi its coming out as eth1 not wlan0 which is strange |
| 08:31.25 | wols | not strange. and not a problem either |
| 08:31.26 | iluminator101 | wifi light is on |
| 08:31.46 | iluminator101 | so how do enable wpa |
| 08:31.52 | wols | edit your udev rules and name it "iluminatorsh4x0rdevice0" |
| 08:32.27 | wols | !tell iluminator101 about wpa |
| 08:33.00 | iluminator101 | i am not following with the udev |
| 08:33.20 | wols | it just means "interface names don't mean shit" |
| 08:33.21 | babilen | !tell iluminator101 -about 70 |
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| 08:37.44 | iluminator101 | i enable wpa but still no signal |
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| 08:40.57 | iluminator101 | wols http://pastebin.com/d6f8004de |
| 08:41.05 | babilen | iluminator101: What do you mean with 'no signal' ? You can't see the network? You can't associate with the access point? The DHCP configuration is failing? Can you paste /var/log/wicd/wicd.log? |
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| 08:42.51 | iluminator101 | bablien http://pastebin.com/d5faedd5e |
| 08:43.23 | babilen | iluminator101: *babilen* ;-) |
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| 08:43.34 | babilen | iluminator101: tab keys are wonderful :-) |
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| 08:44.58 | babilen | iluminator101: That is the complete log? Can you watch that file ( tail -f /var/log/wicd/wicd.log ) while you are trying to connect? Is there relevant output? If yes, please let us see it |
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| 08:45.26 | babilen | iluminator101: I take it that you've configured wicd as described on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 08:46.41 | iluminator101 | babilen, sorry that was partial this is full http://pastebin.com/d2dfd952fl |
| 08:46.45 | babilen | iluminator101: Try connecting from the command line as detailed on the wiki page in section "wpa_supplicant" and paste the relevant lines from /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 08:47.07 | babilen | iluminator101: That URL does not work |
| 08:47.54 | iluminator101 | http://pastebin.com/d2dfd952f |
| 08:51.44 | babilen | iluminator101: I don't see any connection attempt with your *wireless* network adaptor in there, just a couple of successful wired ones (eth0) |
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| 09:00.33 | iluminator101 | babilen, thanks |
| 09:00.35 | iluminator101 | wols thanks |
| 09:00.37 | iluminator101 | its working |
| 09:00.52 | babilen | iluminator101: ahâ½ |
| 09:00.58 | iluminator101 | wifi is working |
| 09:01.11 | babilen | sure - how come? |
| 09:01.19 | iluminator101 | i am not exactly sure how i got it working |
| 09:01.32 | iluminator101 | i gotta go back document it |
| 09:02.13 | iluminator101 | is there a way i can use wifi and ethernet together at the same time or |
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| 09:03.56 | babilen | sure, but whatfor? |
| 09:04.21 | iluminator101 | just because |
| 09:04.58 | iluminator101 | whats the purpose of this #iface lo inet loopback i have it commented out for now |
| 09:05.14 | babilen | You should not comment that out ... |
| 09:05.23 | babilen | !loopback |
| 09:05.23 | dpkg | well, loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. |
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| 09:08.18 | manixor | Hello, somebody know if is a version of pidgin that support video call? |
| 09:08.57 | babilen | judd: versions pidgin |
| 09:08.59 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-backports: 2.6.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.5-2; squeeze: 2.6.5-2 |
| 09:09.20 | babilen | manixor: AFAIK the one in lenny-backports supports video calls |
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| 09:09.37 | babilen | !tell manixor -about bpo |
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| 09:15.45 | manixor | babilen judd: I'm very new in Debian, I understand that with default configuration can install only stable package. For others can use backports. I add this in sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free and I installed pidgin 2.6.5 but this not support video call. |
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| 09:19.26 | rares | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.47 | rares | or do I have to revert both iceweasel and java |
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| 09:21.39 | emx | i want to install a vncserver. how do i do that? |
| 09:21.48 | babilen | manixor: Hmm, I thought it does. You might want to check on the pidgin website which version do you need and how to configure it. But given that 2.6.5 is the newest version you can install on Debian you might be out of luck |
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| 09:22.26 | babilen | !tell emx -about vnc |
| 09:22.58 | babilen | rares: Why experimental? |
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| 09:25.04 | babilen | manixor: Voice/Video for XMPP/Gmail is supported since 2.6.0 - You are out of luck for other services |
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| 09:25.41 | manixor | babilen Ok, thanks. |
| 09:26.35 | rares | babilen: it has the latest openjdk stuff |
| 09:26.55 | rares | java stuff refuses to run |
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| 09:28.37 | babilen | !experimental |
| 09:28.37 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 09:30.23 | rares | the point is openjdk does not work for some inexplicable reason |
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| 09:30.40 | nsadmin | java stuff... mocha latte java stuff... |
| 09:30.43 | babilen | install a stable version of openjdk |
| 09:31.23 | nsadmin | do you program in java? |
| 09:31.55 | rares | i do a little but I can't run applets in icewesel 3.5.6 |
| 09:32.14 | rares | the java programs run |
| 09:32.15 | nsadmin | are applets supported any more? |
| 09:32.24 | rares | just the plugin breaks |
| 09:32.40 | babilen | rares: icedtea6-plugin ? |
| 09:32.47 | nsadmin | you wrote these applets? |
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| 09:33.07 | rares | icedtea6plugin and the other one both fail |
| 09:33.29 | babilen | I heard that some applets are not yet supported with icedtea - Try a stable version of the plugin and/or SUN's java version |
| 09:34.28 | babilen | and do *not* install packages from experimental just because they are newer |
| 09:34.46 | rares | i'm not installing just because they are newer |
| 09:35.00 | rares | experimental has features others seem to miss |
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| 09:35.30 | nsadmin | look at it this way... given experimental isn't supported on this channel, if you install them and they break your system entirely, here's what people will say: |
| 09:36.03 | rares | my intel chip failed to even run and that's with the vesa and fbdev drivers the main one crashes randomly and vesa can't switch to tty neither can the intel driver |
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| 09:36.38 | rares | i am forced to use experimental in quite a few things and then there are cascading experimental dependencies |
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| 09:37.27 | nsadmin | so, I'll suggest that before you ask ANYTHING about any experimental packages, you read their source code and from that decide if you're going to install it |
| 09:37.39 | nsadmin | also read all files in debian/ |
| 09:37.41 | babilen | rares: I doubt that you are forced to install packages from experimental. But experimental is not supported in here and you are expected to know enough to fix these problems yourself. Which might mean that you have to change the way they are packages or patch their source code |
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| 09:39.31 | babilen | rares: If you have particular problems we might be able to help. Which version of Debian are you running anyway? stable/testing/unstable/experimental/suicidal ? |
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| 09:40.25 | rares | there's a suicidal? |
| 09:40.45 | ilembitov | Does anybody use Moblin on Debian Testing? What's the proper way of installing it? I mean, there is no set for tasksel and metapackage |
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| 09:41.01 | rares | i unstable mostly but to even get X up I had to use experimental |
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| 09:51.59 | wols | rares: people who use experimental should be able to do their own backports. no more cascading dependencies |
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| 09:57.59 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to anybody |
| 09:58.03 | nomatter001 | hi |
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| 09:58.50 | nomatter001 | is it somehow possible to configure /etc/hosts to allow each subdomain for localhost (a.localhost, b.localhost, ...) to go to 127.0.0.1? |
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| 09:59.32 | SOUL_OF_R00T | use host alias sintax |
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| 10:06.32 | nomatter001 | SOUL_OF_R00T: what do you mean with host alias syntax? |
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| 10:08.31 | Freelancer | can someone help me with java cup ? Or tell me where I could find some help ? |
| 10:08.37 | Freelancer | about compiler construction |
| 10:08.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | something like this 127.0.0.1 localhost privhost hostblah |
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| 10:09.56 | nomatter001 | SOUL_OF_R00T: but i would need something like: 127.0.0.1 *.localhost |
| 10:10.23 | themill | localhost shouldn't be a domain though... there's localdomain for that |
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| 10:11.59 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i rhink with exists various forms to system understand what are described in the hosys file |
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| 10:14.06 | SOUL_OF_R00T | at the moment i have a litle problem to solve under my note web cam if anyone can help a thanks so much |
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| 10:29.16 | dexcs | hi all, simple question: where is the config file where i can setup my routes permanent? After reboot all is gone ^^ |
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| 10:30.20 | eviltoaster | hi, is there a program that can benchmark my lpvs cluster? |
| 10:30.31 | eviltoaster | ipvs* |
| 10:30.35 | nsadmin | dexcs man 5 interfaces |
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| 10:30.55 | dexcs | ok thanks ;-9 |
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| 10:32.43 | __Lirezh | is it normal that e2fsck shows up as D+ in the process list ? |
| 10:33.09 | __Lirezh | it takes ages on step 1, starting to wonder if it does anything |
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| 10:34.15 | sep | __Lirezh, dmesg; do you have disk errors ? |
| 10:35.20 | __Lirezh | no errors |
| 10:35.35 | sep | guess its just IO then |
| 10:35.37 | __Lirezh | it's a 900 gig md0 raid device |
| 10:35.46 | __Lirezh | waiting for 30 minutes already on pass 1 |
| 10:36.20 | __Lirezh | it's also very low on cpu 0.7% average |
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| 10:39.05 | jelly | __Lirezh: strace it and see if it's doing IO, or waiting for something |
| 10:39.07 | nsadmin | __Lirezh 900g? is the whole thing one partition? |
| 10:39.49 | __Lirezh | it's a rescue system, no strace available |
| 10:39.57 | __Lirezh | it's one huge partition, yes |
| 10:40.03 | jelly | not a good rescue system, then |
| 10:41.13 | nsadmin | ok, of that 900g, how much is free? |
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| 10:41.42 | __Lirezh | about 80% should be free |
| 10:41.48 | __Lirezh | but indeed a lot of inodes |
| 10:42.04 | __Lirezh | Inode count: 60432384 |
| 10:42.19 | nsadmin | so just under 200g allocated to files |
| 10:42.50 | __Lirezh | yea and it is stuck for 40 minutes on e2fsck pass 1 already |
| 10:43.12 | __Lirezh | i coped in strace, the e2fsck is working, but i tlooks slow for me |
| 10:43.23 | __Lirezh | it reads in 4096 byte chunks |
| 10:43.26 | nsadmin | I'm going to guess, and say that it's more or less normal for a full fsck to take that long |
| 10:43.42 | __Lirezh | ok |
| 10:45.25 | jelly | __Lirezh: that's what it does, read a bit, seek a bit, read some more... |
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| 10:45.54 | nsadmin | think about a bit... |
| 10:45.56 | jelly | __Lirezh: expect around 1hour of fsck per TB |
| 10:45.57 | __Lirezh | just wondering as 4096 byte steps are not much |
| 10:46.05 | nsadmin | think about the next bit... |
| 10:46.16 | jelly | nsadmin: strace doesn't show thinking |
| 10:46.41 | nsadmin | or what it's thinking about :) |
| 10:46.52 | jelly | also, if the disk is 100% busy, the thinking is quick enough |
| 10:46.56 | __Lirezh | it could really be a bit more verbose than that |
| 10:47.10 | emx | i have the wrong keyboard layout configured on a debian installation. wrong layout not like z is y and y is z but s is b, b doesn't exist, enter key is not present etc. i found out that "XKB extension not present on :1.0". xorg.conf looks fine. any help? |
| 10:47.11 | jelly | __Lirezh: has you told it to show the progress bar? |
| 10:47.18 | __Lirezh | jelly: it should be able to read at 100 mb per second, that's why i wonder |
| 10:47.46 | __Lirezh | do recent versions of it have a progress bar ? never seen |
| 10:47.52 | jelly | __Lirezh: not 100 MB/s of random 4KB request it wouldn't |
| 10:48.09 | jelly | only if you're using SSDs |
| 10:48.28 | __Lirezh | does it have a good reason that it uses so tiny reads ? |
| 10:48.42 | jelly | it works that way? |
| 10:48.49 | __Lirezh | larger chunks could speed it up a lot .. |
| 10:49.18 | jelly | what's faster, to read 4KB and seek half a meg, or to read the whole thing? |
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| 10:50.24 | wols | emx: does it work in the console? |
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| 10:51.12 | __Lirezh | well guess you are right, 1 TB is pretty much to work through after all |
| 10:51.17 | emx | wols: what works is typing by ssh, probably local console and local x-window. what doesnt work is typing by a tigervnc connection. |
| 10:51.24 | dexcs | Can someone help me please? I've 2 net ifaces. They work both as expected, also i have to delete one default route to make the hole thing work. So i've edited /etc/network/interfaces and added this line: "up route def default gw 192.168.1.1" just under iface eth1 setup lines. if i run this command per hand it works. But after reboot the route "192.168.1.1" is there. So my change in the... |
| 10:51.26 | dexcs | ...config dindn't work, but why? |
| 10:51.41 | wols | emx: dont do "probably". check instad |
| 10:51.43 | wols | *instead |
| 10:52.27 | nsadmin | dexcs pastebin the file |
| 10:52.33 | dexcs | ok |
| 10:52.55 | emx | wols: x-window is not related to a console. and since the local x-window reacts as expected, i wouldn't search the error in the console. |
| 10:52.58 | wols | dexcs: first, don't use nm-applet, 2nd, if fix your interfaces file, cause there is no need to do a "up route"§ |
| 10:53.35 | wols | you said "xpbaal-7 probably local console and local x-window." but now you are sur it does work there? |
| 10:53.42 | wols | if it does, it's obviosuly not a X problem but a vnc one |
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| 10:54.34 | dexcs | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/d6b6bad19 |
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| 10:56.41 | urbee | hi |
| 10:56.50 | __Lirezh | hmm actually dmesg now shows an error |
| 10:56.51 | urbee | i got logrotate installed but my apache log is like 16gb |
| 10:56.51 | __Lirezh | [ 2730.246241] device-mapper: table: 253:0: mirror: Device lookup failure |
| 10:56.56 | urbee | why isnt it cleaning it? |
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| 10:57.05 | __Lirezh | But mdadm --detail shows it as clean and both drives |
| 10:57.08 | nsadmin | why do you want to delete that route? from what interface |
| 10:57.21 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 10:57.37 | wols | nsadmin: his dhcp server assigns this and he doesn't want it |
| 10:58.18 | dexcs | it gives me 2 default routes.... one lan and one wan. and he's trying to reach the internet over the lan gw. but lan gw blocks it. So, if i delete the default gw "lan" it works... mom |
| 10:58.23 | dexcs | yeah |
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| 10:58.43 | wols | dexcs: per definition, there can always only be one default route |
| 10:58.50 | quazi | i am trying to build a debian package, but i seem to be missing the 'debian' folder which includes some of the files i need, could somebody explain to me how too generate this folder? i am trying to use svn-buildpackage, i checked out some files from a svn repo. |
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| 10:58.54 | wols | as soon as you set a new one, the old one gets overwritten |
| 10:59.04 | dexcs | wols: so that's waht i try to get ;-) |
| 10:59.15 | dexcs | hmm sure? mom... |
| 10:59.28 | nsadmin | there should be a way to tell the dhcp client to not accept a default route |
| 10:59.34 | wols | dexcs: you could, via dhclient.conf tell the dhcp server to not assign a gateway and hope the dhcp server honors it |
| 10:59.35 | nsadmin | (mom?)\ |
| 10:59.44 | dexcs | ah ok, thats another way... |
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| 11:00.16 | nsadmin | and so it's eth0 you want to take the route from |
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| 11:00.40 | wols | #request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, |
| 11:00.48 | wols | remove the # and the "routers" part |
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| 11:01.37 | urbee | how do i remove logging from apache? |
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| 11:03.53 | nameless` | hi |
| 11:04.50 | ivers | hilol |
| 11:05.09 | nsadmin | urbee check apache docs about the config file |
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| 11:05.22 | nameless` | i'm looking for a patch for the debian kernel to make it support the MacBook ACPI |
| 11:05.31 | nameless` | cause i have to launch it with acpi=off |
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| 11:06.37 | Deepy | the confuse me of dpkg is particularily awesome |
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| 11:07.13 | nsadmin | !confuse Deepy |
| 11:07.14 | dpkg | Yes, how are our hamster tomorrow, Deepy? Wellies of the Dictatorship of Micronesia with extra anchovies. |
| 11:07.34 | wols | nameless`: which kernel do you use? |
| 11:07.42 | nsadmin | it needs reworking... |
| 11:08.45 | nameless` | wols: 2.6.26-2-686 with a Debian 5 |
| 11:09.00 | wols | !tell nameless about kmuto |
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| 11:09.14 | wols | nameless`: it _should_ work. did you check the debian wiki about macbooks? |
| 11:09.19 | iluminator101 | hey how can i partition ntfs to ext4 with a live cd? |
| 11:09.34 | nameless` | wols: sur i did |
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| 11:09.38 | wols | iluminator101: read up on gparted |
| 11:10.00 | nameless` | wols: but i didn't see kmuto and the wiki seems to ignore the acpi problems |
| 11:10.01 | iluminator101 | which live cd version does puppy linux have it |
| 11:10.11 | wols | iluminator101: this is #debian |
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| 11:12.00 | nameless` | wols: i'm not sure to understand your advice about kmuto ? |
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| 11:13.04 | nsadmin | (since you didn't get it:) |
| 11:13.08 | nsadmin | !kmuto |
| 11:13.09 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 11:20.20 | wols | nameless`: kmuto has newer kernels. the problem might be fixed there |
| 11:20.39 | wols | nameless`: bpo might too btw |
| 11:20.56 | nameless` | wols: may you give me a link please ? |
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| 11:25.16 | wols | you already got it 2 times, I won't give it to you a 3rd |
| 11:26.11 | nsadmin | well no, he only got it once |
| 11:26.32 | nsadmin | the first time, "'" was missing from the nick |
| 11:27.02 | xand | his nick doesn't have ' in it |
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| 11:29.06 | nsadmin | angle of ' is left as an exercise for the reader |
| 11:29.28 | SmokeyD | hey everyone, I have a luks encrypted partition on an external harddrive with an ext3 filesystem on it. Can I shrink the encrypted partition somehow after resizing the filesystem? |
| 11:29.32 | babilen | nameless`: /msg dpkg bpo and /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 11:29.36 | SmokeyD | or would that destroy the data? |
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| 11:37.45 | wols | SmokeyD: you can't resize it unless you find a resizer for ext3 that can recognize a LUKS partition |
| 11:38.10 | wols | resizing is done with umounted filesystems, but unless you mount it, it's just gibberish on the disk |
| 11:38.31 | wols | e.g. the resizer shouldn't even recgonize it as ext3 format |
| 11:39.00 | SmokeyD | wols: hmm hadn't thought of the fact that the unmounted partition is giberish to resize2fs :) thanks |
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| 12:09.36 | ikanobori | Good afternoon people, if I install openssh-server on debian a lot of x11 packages get mixes in, any way to prevent a debian install from doing that? |
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| 12:10.31 | sep | ikanobori, dont install the xauth recomended ? |
| 12:10.54 | ikanobori | sep: aptitude install openssh-server adds in libx11-6 etc, or does the {a} mean something special? |
| 12:11.50 | sep | ikanobori, openssh-server recomends xauth, witch depends on libx11-6 just dont install the recomended xauth if your not going to use that feature (x forwarding) |
| 12:12.57 | sep | man aptitude to find out how to install without recomends or just aptitude remove xauth |
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| 12:13.45 | ikanobori | Yes, recommends was the magic works, thanks for the heads up :-) |
| 12:13.55 | ikanobori | Is there any way to configure apt so it never install recommends? |
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| 12:14.08 | cydork | ikanobori, check /msg dpkg apt recommends |
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| 12:14.16 | ikanobori | Thank you. |
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| 12:16.57 | Spunkmeyer | hello, i have installed a .deb package with dpkg --force-depends package.deb, how can i prevent apt-get to trying to remove the package because of missing dependencies when i want to install another unrelated package ? |
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| 12:18.11 | cydork | !force |
| 12:18.11 | dpkg | it has been said that force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? As a general rule, if you're trying to force package installation, you're doing something wrong. |
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| 12:19.43 | Spunkmeyer | yes i know but it's not a package from the debian repository an i'm not willing to install exact dependencies it asks for |
| 12:20.16 | themill | perhaps you'd like to look up the meaning of "dependency"... /msg dpkg dependency |
| 12:20.19 | oggei | you can also investigate equivs package |
| 12:20.32 | oggei | but you're probably gonna break your system |
| 12:21.24 | Spunkmeyer | thank ou i know what a dependency means, i got the package working properly but how do i prevent apt-get to trying to remove the package when i want to install another one from the debian repository ? |
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| 12:22.15 | oggei | make an equivs providing required deps |
| 12:22.58 | themill | Spunkmeyer: what is this package? If it's declaring non-needed dependencies, then it's a PoS package that you should think twice about installing. |
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| 12:24.28 | steve_j | hi folks |
| 12:24.42 | Spunkmeyer | themill: it's some software depending on sun-java-* but i installed the JRE with make-jpkg and the resulting package don't provide sun-java* |
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| 12:25.05 | steve_j | we're runnign postfix on lenny and have had some email sending issues which means there's a heap of deferred mail waiting to be sent -- is there a way to cause that resending to happen now? |
| 12:25.24 | cydork | Spunkmeyer, oggei already told you about equivs.. |
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| 12:25.59 | oggei | steve_j: postfix flush |
| 12:26.26 | __Lirezh | any idea on this: cryptoloop: disagrees about version of symbol loop_register_transfer ? |
| 12:26.27 | jelly | steve_j: also, man postqueue |
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| 12:26.30 | steve_j | oggei and that's not gonna trash my mails? am paranoid :) |
| 12:26.34 | steve_j | thanks jelly oggei |
| 12:26.41 | __Lirezh | it worked all fine, i made no change no update .. just rebooted and now cryptoloop is not working anymore |
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| 12:27.15 | __Lirezh | it's an original debian kernel and the right module from apt, and it worked for 12 months |
| 12:28.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I go download the newest version of Firefox to run on here, I'm assuming I just need to extract the tar.bz2 archive somewhere on my machine. Where is the recommended place to do that on the system? Home? |
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| 12:28.41 | aprendiz001 | hi all, I have debian lenny but extd_audir in samba doesn't work for me |
| 12:28.49 | oggei | steve_j:if you're in production with postfix, and still don't know how to flush, you don't have to be paranoid, you have to be scared |
| 12:28.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Then just create a launcher to it in the main menu or panel? |
| 12:28.58 | steve_j | oggei i'm not the sysadmin |
| 12:28.59 | jelly | LinuxGuy2009: personally I like /opt/firefox |
| 12:29.09 | steve_j | oggei i am scared :) |
| 12:29.11 | aprendiz001 | I can only see unlink and rmdir althoug log level for vfs is in 2 |
| 12:29.11 | oggei | also investigate soft_bounce and stuff |
| 12:29.13 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 12:29.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly: Is that the main purpose of /opt/ directory, for 3rd party apps like this? |
| 12:29.49 | __Lirezh | wtf happened to my system that the kernel can not load it's module anymore |
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| 12:29.52 | jelly | LinuxGuy2009: yes |
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| 12:30.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly: Ok great thank you |
| 12:31.09 | jelly | LinuxGuy2009: note that automatic updates will work only if the files remain in your user ownership |
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| 12:31.48 | Spunkmeyer | thanks oggei i'll try to make a fake package with equivs |
| 12:32.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly: Oh I didnt know that it could check for updates on its own like that, cool. |
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| 12:33.22 | themill | Spunkmeyer: hmm... any reason not to just use the debian packages for sun-java? But yes, equivs would get you out of that hole. |
| 12:33.37 | jelly | that's one of the reasons to use mozilla's tarball instead of packaged iceweasel |
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| 12:36.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly: Happen to know what opt stands for BTW so I remeber later on? |
| 12:36.04 | awk | hrm, hi, been trying to read as much documentation on this however not sucessful.. when I ftp to my debian box that has pure-ftp on it and I do a directory listing it enters passive mode, the box is locked down and i'm only allowing port 20 and 21... how do I force it to only work on active mode? |
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| 12:36.35 | chaz_ | how do i generate the 'debian' folder? |
| 12:36.42 | jelly | LinuxGuy2009: no, but /msg dpkg fhs |
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| 12:37.27 | __Lirezh | any idea on this: cryptoloop: disagrees about version of symbol loop_register_transfer ? linux kernel and module for 2.4.26-2-amd64 |
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| 12:38.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly: Optional application software packages. Says on wikipedia. Thanks. |
| 12:40.48 | timeoh | Can anybody tell me the official openSSL channel? |
| 12:40.54 | timeoh | "official" |
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| 12:44.23 | jelly | assuming there is one |
| 12:44.44 | RedTide | hi is there someone that can help me with oidentd and irc ipv6 pls? |
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| 12:45.17 | timeoh | RedTide: Do you have native ipv6 connection? |
| 12:45.39 | aprendiz001 | anyone can help me with module audit in samba |
| 12:45.51 | RedTide | I use tsp with freenet tunnel broker |
| 12:46.02 | aprendiz001 | I have configure as in samba documentation and doesn't work very well |
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| 12:46.18 | aprendiz001 | I am using debian lenny ¿anyone who has running this? |
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| 12:46.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | aprendiz001: I would assume most debian users are. |
| 12:47.05 | aprendiz001 | I mean, samba |
| 12:47.09 | aprendiz001 | in debian lenny |
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| 12:48.31 | aprendiz001 | I wanted to know if I configure something bad audit or maybe is a bug in lenny |
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| 12:49.06 | petemc | works fine for me |
| 12:49.11 | hanibana_ | why `cached' value is in the `swap' row on top output? are these two relevant? |
| 12:49.16 | petemc | oh, not module audit, sorry |
| 12:49.38 | RedTide | timeoh: any idea? |
| 12:51.24 | timeoh | RedTide: No not really. I have tried it one or two month before. but it doesnt work. sorry |
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| 12:51.50 | aprendiz001 | thanks petemc, looks like in syslog audit is working fine but not in samba logs |
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| 12:52.41 | RedTide | ok tnx anyway |
| 12:53.00 | timeoh | RedTide: I'm very interested in IPv6, but there are not so many applications that support ipv6 |
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| 12:53.18 | RedTide | I found my way |
| 12:53.34 | awk | blah, can nobody help me with my pureftp query... where can I pass options, I don't see a properly setup config file nore can I see where I can pass a paramater... I need to pass -N to the setup |
| 12:53.46 | RedTide | (using 2 tunnel brokers, you see now I'm on freenet, go6 one) |
| 12:53.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | Wow firefox 3.6 seems so slow on my system. Same for other users as well? |
| 12:53.57 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: no |
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| 12:54.47 | varlon | hi, i have debian squeeze|sid and I have a problem with samba 2:3.4.5~dfsg-1. When I call smbtree they want a password (what kind of password?). network haven't AD - groups only and access for everybody |
| 12:55.09 | varlon | early it worked fine |
| 12:55.31 | RedTide | timeoh: anyway I just use it to protect from attacks from lamers in irc :P |
| 12:55.46 | varlon | what I mast to do with that? |
| 12:56.10 | petemc | awk: looked in /etc/default/ ? |
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| 13:00.44 | timeoh | RedTide: hehehe |
| 13:02.09 | __Lirezh | How can I mount my cryptoloop partition on debian lenny |
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| 13:03.32 | Kwpolska | when will be the new gdm in debian sid? (this unthemable) |
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| 13:05.13 | jelly | judd: versions gdm |
| 13:05.13 | judd | gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.10-1; squeeze: 2.20.10-1 |
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| 13:05.48 | babilen | Kwpolska: It might take a while. There was a thread on debian-devel a while ago discussing that .. |
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| 13:07.43 | babilen | Kwpolska: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/11/msg00552.html |
| 13:08.16 | mondoshawan | hello, i have a courier-imap, postfix ldap solution ... but if i test my first mailaccount i got this error: authdaemond: ldap_simple_bind_s failed: Can't contact LDAP server |
| 13:08.31 | mondoshawan | ldap_simple_bind_s whats this? |
| 13:08.47 | krion | the way you connect to the ldap server |
| 13:08.55 | krion | bind is often the root of your ldap |
| 13:09.09 | krion | are you sure the ldap server is running ? |
| 13:09.23 | krion | you should try to connect using ldapsearch first |
| 13:09.36 | manicman | hm.. if i write my sd card with zeros and then write the debian live image with dd to the sd card gparted always says it cant read the contents of the filesystem... |
| 13:09.39 | manicman | whats wong there? |
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| 13:17.16 | __Lirezh | debian seems to have installed loop-aes AND cryptoloop at the same time. but both are incompatible with each other |
| 13:17.23 | __Lirezh | is there a way to remove the loop-aes stuff again ? |
| 13:17.35 | ptman | anyone with sudo experience? I can't for the life figure out why, but sudo doesn't accept my syntax, which is copy&pasted from the man page sudoers(5) |
| 13:17.39 | __Lirezh | I think it changed at least mount, loop.ko |
| 13:17.58 | __Lirezh | i tried reinstalling the kernel, no help |
| 13:18.01 | __Lirezh | it stays broken |
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| 13:21.00 | znull | after installing suphp do I need do add something like suPHP_UserGroup user user in my vhost.conf ? |
| 13:21.12 | wols | __Lirezh: are these kernel modules? |
| 13:21.16 | babilen | ptman: It might help us if you paste your sudoers file, let us know how you edited it (visudo?) and paste the error you get |
| 13:21.41 | ptman | babilen, sure |
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| 13:21.53 | hxB5 | Hello all, QQ: i am running lenny, and i would like to install a package from testing... i have seen that it is possible if i add the testing rep in source.list, and then "apt-get -t testing install ..." but that i should modify apt.conf to specify the default-release "stable" |
| 13:22.09 | hxB5 | my question is: i don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 13:22.18 | wols | hxB5: don't do this |
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| 13:22.36 | wols | either use /msg dpkg bpo or make your own backport |
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| 13:22.46 | hxB5 | should i create it or is it located in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
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| 13:23.03 | hxB5 | hmm |
| 13:23.10 | wols | hxB5: use apt.conf.d (but using apt-get -t testing will break your system) |
| 13:23.13 | wols | but your choice |
| 13:23.20 | hxB5 | the package is not in the backport rep |
| 13:23.23 | hxB5 | ok |
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| 13:23.37 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.46 | ptman | starting with a plain debian lenny sudoers file, using visudo, I inserted from the man-page: |
| 13:23.53 | ptman | Cmnd_Alias PAGERS = /usr/bin/more, /usr/bin/pg, /usr/bin/less |
| 13:23.58 | ptman | Defaults!PAGERS noexec |
| 13:24.00 | hxB5 | thanks wols will look into it |
| 13:24.06 | ptman | and it doesn't parse, but gives: |
| 13:24.17 | ptman | sudoers file: syntax error, line 11 <<< |
| 13:24.29 | ptman | where line 11 is the line with Defaults!... on it |
| 13:25.03 | leejongwook | my /etc/sudoers ---> leejongwook ALL=(ALL) ALL :) |
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| 13:25.49 | ptman | leejongwook, I'm not giving out those permissions to students who only need to run commands as a group-specific user, but that's beside the point |
| 13:26.32 | leejongwook | @_@ this is all i know ---> ID ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 13:28.17 | babilen | ptman: Hmm, what exactly is on line 11 (and the line before) ? Could you paste the complete file. You might want to remove personal information though. Have you copy+pasted (with :set paste) the examples or have you typed them in yourself? |
| 13:28.53 | ptman | babilen, sure, I'll put it on pastebin, but line 11 is the line with Defaults!PAGERS noexec |
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| 13:28.57 | babilen | ptman: You correctly expect the examples in the manpage to work. It must be another reason .. |
| 13:28.57 | ptman | nothing more |
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| 13:29.21 | hxB5 | another quick one: if you are to perform a fresh install and your goal is to run debian testing.. is it better to install stable and then go for dist-upgrade or directly install testing? |
| 13:29.42 | wols | usally, install stable first and upgrade |
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| 13:30.06 | hxB5 | yeah that confirms what i read |
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| 13:30.10 | hxB5 | thx |
| 13:30.16 | __Lirezh | what do I have to do to get stuff into /lib/modules/kernel.../BUILD ? |
| 13:30.16 | AdrianZero | hi |
| 13:30.23 | AdrianZero | well |
| 13:30.25 | __Lirezh | is that some development package I am missing ? |
| 13:30.35 | ptman | http://pastebin.org/88840 -- default debian sudoers with comments stripped and two lines pasted from the man-page (cmnd_alias and defaults), syntax error on line 2 |
| 13:31.01 | AdrianZero | how I can install Eclipse in debian lenny? |
| 13:31.31 | AdrianZero | the last version Eclipse .. |
| 13:31.40 | ptman | so now it's not happy about a different line, but still a line pasted from the man-page |
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| 13:33.48 | leejongwook | ptman, http://pastebin.com/m4560dac4 i use this :) for my pc, instead using visudo. show us your sudoers file with pasetbin.com like this file@_@ |
| 13:34.02 | __Lirezh | what do I have to do to get stuff into /lib/modules/kernel.../build ? |
| 13:34.13 | ptman | leejongwook, I already pasted a pastebin url |
| 13:35.02 | leejongwook | i guess, i missed that part :P |
| 13:35.27 | leejongwook | wanted to see yours, even i could do nothing @_@ |
| 13:36.04 | leejongwook | oh, there is the url :P |
| 13:37.02 | babilen | ptman: Give me a second. I am trying to reproduce the issue ... Which version of Debian is this? |
| 13:37.27 | ptman | debian stable |
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| 13:37.36 | ptman | up to date |
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| 13:38.35 | leejongwook | where did you copy that from ? "man sudoers" ? |
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| 13:38.48 | ptman | leejongwook, yes |
| 13:39.04 | babilen | ptman: How do you trigger the error? |
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| 13:39.34 | ptman | visudo, remove everything, paste what is from pastebin, try to save, gives error, asks what to do |
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| 13:39.54 | babilen | ptman: strange - it works here ... |
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| 13:40.43 | leejongwook | i can't find the exactly the same example from the manpages(sudoers) @_@ |
| 13:41.14 | leejongwook | i'll find it out somehow :P and i'll learn how to manipulate that file @_@ |
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| 13:41.31 | ptman | leejongwook, it's in the EXAMPLES section, try searching for PAGERS |
| 13:41.35 | ptman | babilen, on stable? |
| 13:41.40 | leejongwook | :) |
| 13:41.47 | ptman | babilen, because I just tried it on squeeze and it seems to work |
| 13:41.55 | babilen | ptman: No, testing here :-\ |
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| 13:42.22 | babilen | ptman: So it clearly is related to the installed sudo version |
| 13:42.38 | ptman | babilen, clearly that seems to be the case |
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| 13:45.07 | babilen | judd: versions sudo |
| 13:45.07 | judd | sudo -- etch: 1.6.8p12-4; lenny: 1.6.9p17-2; sid: 1.7.2p1-1; squeeze: 1.7.2p1-1 |
| 13:45.38 | leejongwook | i found it :P 'man sudoers :: EXAMPLES :: Command Alias Specification" |
| 13:45.59 | iceroot | i am using ssh user@host -L 9999:localhost:443 from machine A. From machine B i wanted to use https://A:9999 but the port is closed. is there a way to open the port with -L in ssh? |
| 13:46.06 | babilen | ptman: so, what options do we have now? |
| 13:46.11 | babilen | scratches head |
| 13:47.12 | leejongwook | ptman, this is nice :) |
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| 13:47.54 | iceroot | ok found the solution i have to use -L ip:port:ip:port instead of port:ip:port |
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| 13:48.58 | ptman | babilen, I'll just go around the issue somehow |
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| 13:49.12 | babilen | ptman: Could you file a bug? |
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| 13:49.18 | leejongwook | ptman, i'm gonna try it with my own file. |
| 13:49.26 | ptman | maybe I should file a bug, but on the other hand a newer version of the package is already in squeeze |
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| 13:51.05 | babilen | ptman: I could confirm it on another stable installation |
| 13:51.33 | festr | hi. I've problem with building packages dpkg -b. I have upgraded from sarge to lenny. But now whan creating package, it is marged as for sarge still. any ideas? I cannot google it, man dpkg, anything.. |
| 13:52.00 | ptman | babilen, I've just done that also in a chroot on a different machines |
| 13:52.01 | wols | how did you upgrade? |
| 13:52.06 | babilen | ptman: Squeeze won't be released for some time and people can find the bug report if they run into this problem. And it might get fixed in the sudo version as distributed with stable |
| 13:52.09 | festr | wols: dist-upgad |
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| 13:52.18 | wols | festr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:52.26 | nasso | im looking for a way to put an certain amount of load on a system |
| 13:52.33 | ptman | babilen, so what's the best way to report a bug? reportbug? something else? |
| 13:52.41 | festr | wols: 5.0.4 |
| 13:52.41 | babilen | ptman: Yes, use reportbug |
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| 13:52.45 | nasso | does anyone know of a tool that can put, for example 50% cpu usage on a system? |
| 13:52.57 | wols | festr: do not lie |
| 13:53.04 | festr | wols: not |
| 13:53.09 | leejongwook | oops, i made da mistake with /etc/sudoers @_@ |
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| 13:53.11 | festr | wols: not a lame |
| 13:53.14 | festr | wols: :D |
| 13:53.18 | iceroot | very strange. there is a firewall blocking everything only 22 is allowed. i am using -L 9999:host:443 and can access https through ssh. is this a normal firewall"problem"? or is it possible to block something like that (without blocking ssh) |
| 13:53.18 | wols | festr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.31 | leejongwook | [Q] leejongwook(22:52:24)$ sudo chown root ./sudoers ---> sudo: /etc/sudoers is owned by uid 640, should be 0 |
| 13:53.36 | babilen | ptman: Thank you and sorry :-\ |
| 13:53.37 | festr | voip-devel2:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.37 | festr | 5.0.4 |
| 13:53.39 | festr | wols: |
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| 13:54.02 | leejongwook | what does that mean, 'should be 0' ? |
| 13:54.03 | wols | what makes you think the package is for sarge then? and where did you get the sources? |
| 13:54.04 | ptman | babilen, no, thank _you_! You've been very helpful by keeping me sane |
| 13:54.36 | festr | wols: i've my own control file. it is marged as sarge in apt-show-version after installing that package |
| 13:54.38 | leejongwook | i know zero is root :P |
| 13:54.43 | wols | leejongwook: it means it it should be owned by root. what your did was using chown when you should have used chmod |
| 13:54.55 | StCyr | iceroot: there's maybe a port redirection (from 22 to 443) on your web server? |
| 13:55.05 | leejongwook | wols, i see :) |
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| 13:55.23 | babilen | ptman: Yeah - It is really confusing if the examples do not work as expected and especially if they result in syntax errors. I wonder why this haven't been reported so far. It is not *that* exotic :-) |
| 13:55.33 | festr | wols: how the package knows which version it is? (sarge/lenny etc) |
| 13:55.39 | wols | festr: is the control file from sarge? |
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| 13:56.00 | wols | grep -r -i sarge <dir of sources> |
| 13:56.14 | festr | wols: there is no sarge word there |
| 13:56.29 | wols | what package are you compiling? what version? |
| 13:56.50 | festr | wols: my own package |
| 13:56.54 | leejongwook | wols, how do i fix that problem? ;-/, i can't change it's ownership with 'chown' command now |
| 13:57.05 | wols | leejongwook: if you are root, you can |
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| 13:57.47 | leejongwook | wols, fixed :) thanks |
| 13:58.12 | iceroot | StCyr: the redirection is -L 9999:host:443 and at the browser i am using localhost:9999 which is going through ssh to 443 |
| 13:58.18 | leejongwook | heh X) |
| 13:58.19 | wols | festr: you don't like giving out info, so I don't care. ALL information that goes into the package is in the source directory and its subdirs (which includes debian/ ) somewhere there is decided to make it a sarge package. HAND |
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| 14:00.25 | festr | wols: sorry I was looking to DEBIAN directory and checking stuff. How do I tell, to which distribution is that package? |
| 14:00.51 | festr | wols: it depends on which actual debian it is dpkg -b? |
| 14:02.08 | wols | festr: how do you decide something is a "sarge package"? |
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| 14:04.20 | StCyr | icerot: not sure I understand your setup. Maybe you have Apache and mod_proxy_connect enabled? |
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| 14:04.42 | festr | wols: it was shown in apt-show-versions. I've compiled new package on upgraded sarge to lenny and that package installed to another system which was upgraded from sarge to lenny too |
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| 14:05.05 | festr | maybe it remember somehow the old package |
| 14:05.33 | festr | wols: ok. but another think. I've removed it completely, changed name and it shows: libmysql++3test 4.0.3 installed: No available version in archive |
| 14:05.54 | festr | this means that it is not indexed in my repos |
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| 14:06.25 | festr | and I do not know how the .deb package distinquih to which distro belongs. this is automatically? |
| 14:06.35 | festr | there is no configuration option for control file |
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| 14:08.11 | panfist_ | is there any way to protect a window from being minimized? in other words, when i click on show desktop i want this window to persist anyway |
| 14:08.27 | wols | there is no automation. there are repositories, that's all |
| 14:08.38 | wols | and they can be named stable, sid, lenny, testing, etc |
| 14:08.54 | wols | so it's totally arbitrary. the only important thing is version number that's all |
| 14:09.11 | hiwk | panfist_: (I probably don't know anyways, but still) what window manager are you using? |
| 14:09.24 | aprendiz001 | is it possible to choose the logs output formar in samba? |
| 14:09.26 | panfist_ | metacity i think |
| 14:09.27 | wols | I guess this apt-show-versions BS uses repositories (it's "cache") to determine this totally bogus "information" |
| 14:09.31 | panfist_ | the default |
| 14:09.50 | wols | panfist_: debian has no defaults :) |
| 14:09.55 | festr | wols: so it depends to which repositories it is uploaded |
| 14:10.23 | wols | from which repos it comes more likely. since your deb never was in one it uses the oldest it can find |
| 14:10.35 | wols | which could be sarge in your case |
| 14:10.37 | themill | !which repo |
| 14:10.37 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bpo list> |
| 14:10.55 | themill | emphasis on *may* have come from. It's not possible to know. |
| 14:11.07 | wols | dpkg: won't help, for a locally compiled package installed via dpkg -i |
| 14:11.07 | dpkg | wols: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:11.28 | themill | wols: correct. Or for things where you have deleted the entry from your sources.list |
| 14:11.35 | festr | wols: ok. I get it now. thank you for help |
| 14:12.29 | ptman | babilen, reported, thanks for pushing me in that direction, it is obviously the right thing to do |
| 14:12.29 | festr | wols: I've completely missed that I've sarge/etch on my central repos and whan I created package and test it by hand, it cannot known to which this package belongs |
| 14:12.30 | themill | wols: but that's one of the reasons you should put some marker in the version strings for your self-compiled packages 1.2.3-1+themill-1 or similar. |
| 14:12.49 | babilen | ptman: Thanks again for contributing to Debian |
| 14:13.01 | babilen | ptman: Hope you find a way to work around this bug |
| 14:13.11 | leejongwook | ptman, hello ? i found the answer :) |
| 14:13.20 | ptman | leejongwook, pray tell |
| 14:13.26 | leejongwook | wait :) |
| 14:13.50 | leejongwook | i followed a good example, check this out ---> http://cynode.lautre.net/resource/conf/sudoers |
| 14:13.54 | wols | themill: I only compile a package frm sid/experimental for stable. wholly compiling your own packages is WORK. who'd want to do that? |
| 14:14.03 | themill | festr: when you've got a sources.list pointing only at lenny, the output of "aptitude search ~o" will be useful |
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| 14:14.34 | ptman | leejongwook, ok, it doesn't contain a single "Defaults" -line |
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| 14:14.39 | themill | wols: nfc. you're the one who brought it up |
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| 14:15.01 | leejongwook | ptman, i show you mine :P takes a little big |
| 14:15.03 | leejongwook | bit |
| 14:15.31 | babilen | You show me yours - I show you mine? |
| 14:15.38 | ptman | leejongwook, I showed you mine, now you show me yours =) |
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| 14:15.46 | ptman | babilen, exactly =) |
| 14:16.31 | babilen | leejongwook: Have you figured out a way to use Defaults as detailed in the manpage and needed by ptman that does not result in a syntax error? |
| 14:17.01 | leejongwook | no |
| 14:17.29 | filePeter | Hi. I use reprepro to manage a repository for lenny and for karmic in one. Unfortunately the namingscheme of reprepro makes the lenny and the karmic collide⦠|
| 14:17.33 | leejongwook | wait a sec. for me |
| 14:17.34 | filePeter | Whats the matte)? |
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| 14:19.18 | themill | filePeter: Add a changelog entry "recompile for karmic" with a version "+karmic-1" appended to the version prior to recompiling. Packages should only have the same name if they are indeed identical and that is what reprepro is enforcing. |
| 14:19.41 | leejongwook | ptman, http://pastebin.com/m24e9ae3e :P |
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| 14:20.15 | leejongwook | now i'm gonna compare it with yours, and then i'll check manpages again |
| 14:20.29 | ptman | leejongwook, thank you for the example, but that's not what I was trying to do |
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| 14:20.45 | leejongwook | :P |
| 14:21.33 | leejongwook | didn't you want the 'aliases' and 'specifications' ? |
| 14:21.53 | leejongwook | sorry then @_@ but it was cool |
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| 14:24.12 | giupy | hi all |
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| 14:25.01 | User_007 | can you help me? i cant use keyboard on x, it just dont works. it works on console. i can use startx, but it just stay on x if im root.else i get some x errors. Even if root, i can't use the keyboard. |
| 14:25.11 | giupy | i have debian sid updated, when i startx from my user X doesn't start and ge this problem: error setting MTRR (base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x08000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) ........ when i start from root all seems to go well |
| 14:25.48 | festr | themill: thanks |
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| 14:26.01 | giupy | precompiled trunk-2.6.32 |
| 14:26.19 | themill | festr: no worries. You can automate such a changelog entry with "dch" |
| 14:26.28 | User_007 | btw i use squeeze amd64. please help me. |
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| 14:29.24 | leejongwook | ptman, please tell me what you wanted :P i missed the point, but i really feels like i could solve your problamo :P |
| 14:29.52 | leejongwook | give me da chance again @_@ let me try |
| 14:29.53 | bullgard | Where is the document http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ (version 2) availble as a single file that can be grepped? |
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| 14:30.07 | giupy | perhaps there's some bugs on xserver-xorg in sid ? |
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| 14:30.57 | ptman | leejongwook, I wanted the example from the man page to work, Defaults was the keyword I was more worried about |
| 14:31.13 | leejongwook | ok :) thanks |
| 14:31.25 | leejongwook | now i got it |
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| 14:33.14 | svenx | ref base-passwd, is the reason for having interactive shells defined for nearly all system accounts in /etc/passwd, that potential cron jobs will run fine? |
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| 14:34.36 | Raydiation | i want this backport http://packages.debian.org/en/source/lenny-backports/backports/python-django |
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| 14:34.57 | Raydiation | what do i have to do? and if i add this repo will all backports be installed on my machine? |
| 14:35.08 | wols | !tell Raydiation about bpo |
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| 14:35.56 | Lafy | is there an open standard video streaming protocol that includes some sort of public key signing of the data? |
| 14:36.01 | Raydiation | wols: nice! ty |
| 14:36.32 | themill | bullgard: apt-cache search debian-reference |
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| 14:38.18 | ptman | babilen, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569022 |
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| 14:41.00 | babilen | ptman: looks good - thank you |
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| 14:42.57 | Emery | Just wondering where i can find the debian floppy image |
| 14:43.04 | Emery | cant see it on the mirror |
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| 14:43.13 | oru_work | hi, how would i extract a gz file ? |
| 14:43.22 | petemc | Emery: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
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| 14:43.45 | petemc | oru_work: gunzip |
| 14:44.15 | Emery | petemc, no i cant find it on the mirror |
| 14:44.32 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, is there any way I can make aptitude dist-upgrade only trusted packages? Now when I dist-upgrade 9 packages are untrusted, I'd like to upgrade the trusted ones, ignoring updates that ar untrusted. Right now aptitude gives me the option to either not upgrade or upgrade with the untrusted packages |
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| 14:45.49 | oru_work | petemc, hmm, i did that now I have a .tar file :) |
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| 14:46.11 | Zero_Dogg | oru_work: tar -zxvf file.tar.gz || tar -xvf file.tar |
| 14:46.55 | csgeek | if I replace lenny with squeeze in my sources.list and do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade would that switch me over to testing? or is the process more complicated then that? |
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| 14:47.15 | rgr | anyone here found a workaround for the broken Xorg in Squeeze with old style intel 82830 cards? Still stuck in poxy vesa mode. Slow as hell and often the screen corrupts. usable but only just - all video is history ( |
| 14:47.26 | nameless` | hi |
| 14:47.34 | themill | dpkg: tell csgeek about lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:47.55 | themill | csgeek: and if you have to ask, then perhaps you want to wait a while until squeeze is a little less scary. Also /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 14:48.04 | nameless` | i have installed Debian on MacBook but can't get the sound work, did anyone already had such issue ? |
| 14:48.20 | nameless` | the wiki says it should work out of the box |
| 14:48.29 | nameless` | but it actually didn't |
| 14:48.56 | bullgard | themill: Thank you very much for your help. (How could I forget!) |
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| 14:52.28 | nameless` | my chipset is a nvidia corporation device 0ac0 |
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| 14:53.33 | nameless` | i don't have the /dev/dsp file |
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| 14:57.01 | mondoshawan | hello, i have a courier-imap, postfix ldap solution ... but if i test my first mailaccount i got this error: authdaemond: ldap_simple_bind_s failed: Can't contact LDAP server |
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| 14:57.29 | mondoshawan | i have test the authdeamond settings with ldapsearch ldap works fine |
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| 14:59.44 | oggei | try to raise ldap daemon verbosity and see what (don't) happens |
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| 15:01.30 | joltcan | dont forget to run ldap as the correct user as well (I have had problems with it overwriting permissions on data dirs and whatnot) |
| 15:02.16 | mondoshawan | well if i use the user and pass and the DN with ldapsearch he can read it perfectly |
| 15:02.56 | oggei | mondoshawn: did you understood my question ? |
| 15:03.16 | ptman | :q |
| 15:03.21 | ptman | oops, sorry |
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| 15:04.59 | leejongwook | ptman, @_@ did you find something ? |
| 15:05.13 | leejongwook | :( hard |
| 15:05.15 | ptman | no, I'm using a workaround |
| 15:05.25 | leejongwook | :) |
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| 15:08.27 | mondoshawan | yes ok ... i run my ldap in debug mode and there is no connection from mailserver .. that means authdaemond cant find ldap |
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| 15:11.29 | WuilliaM_vE | hi there |
| 15:11.32 | WuilliaM_vE | i have a question |
| 15:12.03 | WuilliaM_vE | in debian, exists and app than allows me to make a video conference? but i need to show my desktop in too |
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| 15:12.53 | WuilliaM_vE | and a IM system |
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| 15:15.44 | oggei | mondoshawan: which url your authdaemond is trying to use ? |
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| 15:16.11 | petemc | WuilliaM_vE: ekiga does some of those things |
| 15:16.23 | petemc | not the desktop sharing, afaik |
| 15:16.24 | mondoshawan | LDAP_URI ldaps://service01.domain |
| 15:16.35 | WuilliaM_vE | petemc: oka! tnks! |
| 15:16.47 | mondoshawan | :q |
| 15:16.50 | oggei | mondoshawan: this seems an /etc/ldap.conf snippet |
| 15:17.16 | oggei | that's ok, but if authdaemond run eg. chrooted you should also copy this file in chroot |
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| 15:17.44 | mondoshawan | oh ... omg maybe thats the point |
| 15:17.52 | WuilliaM_vE | has anyone an experience in videoconference, but i need a IM system! because the way is, e-larning |
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| 15:19.15 | oggei | WuilliaM_vE: it's lamag but i'm currently using skype, newer version (debian packaged) got all the features you need |
| 15:19.41 | WuilliaM_vE | oggei: if you need to show your desktop? to make live examples? |
| 15:20.08 | oggei | WuilliaM_vE: "... got all the features you need" |
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| 15:21.03 | WuilliaM_vE | oggei: skyoe 2.x.x right? |
| 15:21.13 | oggei | newer version ? |
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| 15:21.57 | WuilliaM_vE | skype for linux, is only in 2.1.0.81 version! |
| 15:22.20 | mondoshawan | oggei no postfix is chrooted not courier-imap and authdaemon |
| 15:22.26 | Emery | Just wondering why the debian floppy images are 1.4mb ... but standard floppys only fit 1.38mb |
| 15:22.39 | oggei | WuilliaM_vE: so which version is newest ? |
| 15:22.51 | WuilliaM_vE | 4. for Win |
| 15:23.06 | oggei | WuilliaM_vE: so which linux version is newest ? |
| 15:23.23 | oggei | mondoshawan: http://www.courier-mta.org/authlib/README.authdebug.html |
| 15:23.26 | JPT | 2.6.32.8 |
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| 15:24.05 | WuilliaM_vE | oggei: in windows skype 4.1 in linux skype 2.1 |
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| 15:24.10 | themill | WuilliaM_vE: version numbers don't really tell the story. They are completely different programs |
| 15:24.24 | bsdnux | i got an i7 975 @ 3.33GHz, dmidecode tells me "Max Speed: 3333 MHz", but cpufreq-info tells me "hardware limits: 1.60 GHz - 2.67 GHz". is this a cpufreq limit? |
| 15:24.36 | oggei | WuilliaM_vE: try the newest skype for linux version |
| 15:24.41 | WuilliaM_vE | themill: i know that, but, share desktop is in skype 2.1 for linux? |
| 15:24.48 | oggei | ... |
| 15:24.51 | themill | WuilliaM_vE: yes |
| 15:25.03 | WuilliaM_vE | themill: tnks! ;) |
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| 15:28.38 | qwd | skype on linux isn't very good (imho) |
| 15:28.53 | WuilliaM_vE | themill: it is a plugin? |
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| 15:29.09 | themill | WuilliaM_vE: no, just part of the program |
| 15:29.25 | WuilliaM_vE | themill: mmm share option isnt! |
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| 15:32.59 | WuilliaM_vE | themill: jajaja i cant found that xD |
| 15:33.22 | ScottG489 | is there a way to search through package descriptions in aptitude? |
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| 15:34.58 | eagles0513875 | hey guys how do i unlock the list of apt which is locked in lenny |
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| 15:37.47 | babilen | ScottG489: "aptitude search '~d.....'" - see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 15:38.19 | egns | when are we going to have kde 4.4 packages? |
| 15:38.32 | babilen | when they are ready |
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| 15:38.48 | eagles0513875 | egns: i know kubuntu ahs them in a ppa |
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| 15:38.51 | leejongwook | ptman <-- he's gone @_@ |
| 15:38.59 | eagles0513875 | i think u coudl get them from there i would thing for 4.4 |
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| 15:39.07 | leejongwook | babilen, :( couldn't solve da problem |
| 15:39.07 | egns | eagles0513875: hahaha, kubuntu |
| 15:39.14 | ScottG489 | babilen: alright thanks. does that search the long or short description (checking out that link but its gonna take a sec since im on a phone) |
| 15:39.17 | eagles0513875 | whats so lol |
| 15:39.18 | babilen | contact #debian-kde @ irc.oftc.net and/or the mailing list for details |
| 15:39.26 | leejongwook | but l learned a lot :) |
| 15:39.33 | EagleScreen | KDE 4.4 packages are still in preparation |
| 15:39.33 | babilen | ScottG489: Th long one IIRC |
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| 15:39.44 | eagles0513875 | hey guys got a question how do i unlock apt if its some how locked |
| 15:39.47 | EagleScreen | mix Kubuntu packages with Debian is not a good idea |
| 15:39.48 | leejongwook | @_@ |
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| 15:40.06 | eagles0513875 | EagleScreen: the packages r .deb theough |
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| 15:40.07 | egns | EagleScreen++ |
| 15:40.11 | babilen | eagles0513875: What do you mean? |
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| 15:40.40 | EagleScreen | 4.4 packages upload to unstable may start at the beginning of the next week |
| 15:40.56 | eagles0513875 | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 15:40.58 | eagles0513875 | E: Unable to lock the download directory |
| 15:41.01 | eagles0513875 | babilen: see above ^ |
| 15:41.01 | EagleScreen | it is planed to out them into testing |
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| 15:41.38 | EagleScreen | Kubuntu PPA is empty right now, ther are still preparing the packages |
| 15:41.57 | babilen | eagles0513875: Do you have another aptitude instance running? |
| 15:42.07 | EagleScreen | there were build faulures the first intento to upload |
| 15:42.15 | eagles0513875 | babilen: no guis this is on a server so its all command line based |
| 15:42.27 | eagles0513875 | eagles0513875: 4.4 is still out for karmic |
| 15:42.44 | eagles0513875 | EagleScreen: see above lol failed tab completion |
| 15:43.12 | babilen | eagles0513875: So there is no other aptitude/dpkg/apt-get instance running? |
| 15:43.30 | eagles0513875 | babilen: hold on |
| 15:43.54 | babilen | hrmmpf - Have to go now. Sorry eagles0513875 :-\ |
| 15:43.59 | babilen | eagles0513875: Good luck |
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| 15:44.33 | eagles0513875 | thanks babilen |
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| 15:47.45 | WuilliaM_vE | themill: hey! i cant to use it whith multiple user realle (desktop sharing) |
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| 15:51.18 | daaf | my monitor is very dark is there a way to adjust increase the brightness in kde? i'm using the vesa driver for xorg |
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| 15:53.05 | EagleScreen | daaf: try in Systemsettings -> Advanced -> Power Management |
| 15:53.45 | WuilliaM_vE | Hi! there are an aplication than allow make a live meeting, whit chat, desktop sharing, and multiple users at the same time? |
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| 15:54.00 | oggei | skype for linux gives you all those things |
| 15:54.18 | daaf | EagleScreen, you mean in kcontrol -> peripherals -> display -> power control? there's only standby,suspend,power off options there |
| 15:54.19 | oggei | if you can't manage to understand how, either read manual or ask |
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| 15:55.27 | EagleScreen | no daaf |
| 15:55.29 | oggei | but if you're searching one-to-many video, better to think to other solutions |
| 15:55.48 | runix__ | where should I put a environment variable so it's available for all users? I want TZ=`cat /etc/timezone` |
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| 15:59.29 | daaf | EagleScreen, explain please |
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| 16:00.04 | EagleScreen | System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Power management |
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| 16:01.53 | ambuli | hi all, In debian/rules file 'install --mode=0644 filename $(TMP)/usr/share . does this 'install' commnad just copies the filename to destination directory ? |
| 16:02.49 | ambuli | could someone help me out ? |
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| 16:03.40 | wols | usually it does, yes |
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| 16:08.50 | ScottG489 | Is there somewhere that lists all of the debtags? |
| 16:09.14 | jelly | Hi, what's the current best supported way to install/use (third party) i386 packages in an amd64 installation? What happened to ia32-apt-get? |
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| 16:11.10 | abrotman | jelly: in lenny or squeeze/sid ? |
| 16:11.31 | Shadur | 5C |
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| 16:11.44 | jelly | abrotman: the latter. ia32-apt-get never was in lenny afaik |
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| 16:13.39 | abrotman | i didn't think so .. that's why i was asking |
| 16:14.44 | Devastator | I've installed acrobat reader 9 on amd64, but can't remember the packages right now.. |
| 16:15.29 | eagles0513875 | Devastator: what desktop environment |
| 16:15.35 | Devastator | gnome |
| 16:15.36 | eagles0513875 | there is okular for kde |
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| 16:15.49 | eagles0513875 | Devastator: if you want something that reads pdfs okular is gd |
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| 16:18.18 | daaf | EagleScreen, there is no System Settings on KDE, only System administration, and there is no advanced tab there |
| 16:18.38 | ralph_ | Hmm ... is there ANY chance I can get a triple-head-setup with 2 ATI Radeon RV630 running currently? dpkg-bot claims fglrx currently doesn't work with current Xorg ... |
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| 16:19.39 | EagleScreen | daaf: System Preferences? |
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| 16:20.09 | EagleScreen | daaf: sorry I use Spanish KDE, some translation may be a bit different |
| 16:20.41 | mike-burns | ralph_: You'll get pretty decent help in #radeon. They may redirect fglrx questions elsewhere though. |
| 16:20.42 | daaf | EagleScreen, is this in kcontrol? |
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| 16:21.13 | ralph_ | mike-burns: Thanks a lot, I'll try asking there! |
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| 16:21.41 | EagleScreen | yes daafbut kcontrol is for KDE 3.5 |
| 16:22.18 | \amethyst | ralph_: maybe with the free radeon drivers... I have a RV516 doing dual-head, and the driver claims to support RV630 |
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| 16:23.18 | ralph_ | \amethyst: Ah, thanks for the feedback! |
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| 16:23.57 | \amethyst | ralph_: I had to do dual-head using RandR rather than xinerama |
| 16:24.24 | \amethyst | ralph_: and I need to do xrandr --output DVI-1 --left-of DVI-0 --crtc 0; xrandr --output DVI-0 --right-of DVI-1 --crtc 0 after I start X to get the second head |
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| 16:24.44 | dark | Hello. I had a problem with fonts being too small in xfce. So I adjusted dpi in ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.dpi. Most programs are respecting it, such as epiphany and xchat, but Iceweasel (3.5.6 from testing) isn't. Does someone here experience this problem too? |
| 16:24.49 | ralph_ | \amethyst: Ah, good tip, thx! |
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| 16:25.06 | dark | I tried rm -r ~/.mozilla/* |
| 16:25.38 | dark | I also restarted X.. (but epiphany reacted to the dpi change automatically) |
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| 16:28.55 | cjuner | Say I'd like to bootstrap my own dpkg-based distribution (like a port to a new architecture), which program would I use to compile (i.e. generate deb-packages) from the sources (and have their dependencies compiled? I guess I'm looking for the ebuild/emerge of debian. |
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| 16:29.19 | xxiao | anyone can get 'make pdfdocs' work for kernel, it's missing 'passivetex' |
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| 16:34.44 | wols | cjuneryou can start with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:34.51 | wols | cjuner: ^^ |
| 16:35.17 | ralphi222 | Grmf ... #radeon/#radeonhd says "Cannot send to channel" ... then I parted those channels, registered with Freenode, re-joined and ... still "Cannot send to channel" :-( Any ideas? |
| 16:35.29 | cjuner | wols, I know how to compile *a* debian package. But I would like to have its dependencies automatically compiled as well. |
| 16:36.31 | cjuner | wols, I think I'm rather looking for the software that Debian's build bots run |
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| 16:37.45 | wols | debian is a rolling distro. I don't think there is such a software |
| 16:38.00 | wols | cause sid is simply compiled with the current libs in sid basically |
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| 16:38.42 | wols | to start a new debian arch doesn't happen so often to need a whole depedency builder. I'd say start with libc and perl. that are the basic depedencies for dpkg |
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| 16:40.17 | ambuli | what does Build-Depends-Indep ? |
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| 16:40.50 | ambuli | Build-Depends means that it needs mentioned package for building. |
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| 16:41.02 | ambuli | but what about build-Depends-Indep ? |
| 16:41.05 | cjuner | ambuli, it lists the build dependencies for the debian/rules target to build architecture independent parts of a package (used rarely). |
| 16:42.29 | ambuli | cjuner, ah. Ok. about Architecture: all means does it create the .deb for all i386 and arm also ? |
| 16:42.31 | Kryll | is it much of a hassle to mount my /home directory for user quotas its not mounted according to fstab |
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| 16:43.17 | cjuner | ambuli, all means that the generated package will be built just once and the generated package will be installable on any architecture. |
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| 16:43.40 | cjuner | ambuli, Architecture: any means the package will only run on the architecture it's built for. |
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| 16:44.59 | ambuli | cjuner, when Architecture:all produces the package which can be installed any architecture. for that do we need to have a compiler for all architectures ?? |
| 16:45.21 | \amethyst | ambuli: no, it means the package doesn't contain anything platform-specific |
| 16:45.32 | \amethyst | ambuli: for example, it only contains bash scripts and documentation |
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| 16:47.16 | ambuli | \amethyst, since it doesnot contain any platform-specfic it can be installed in all platforms right ? |
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| 16:47.31 | cjuner | ambuli, yes. |
| 16:49.18 | ambuli | cjuner, \amethyst thanks you very much :) |
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| 16:50.55 | jgh | How do you get OpenJDK to open applets in Iceweasel in lenny |
| 16:50.57 | jgh | ? |
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| 16:56.02 | ambuli | cjuner, in the rules file entails the scripting right ? or does it have its own syntax ? |
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| 16:57.22 | cjuner | ambuli, usually debian/rules is a Makefile which must have certain targets that build the package. |
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| 16:57.52 | d0uglas | Hi. Any easy way I can grep through an access.log that covers a wide time period but only grepping out hits from a certain day? |
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| 17:00.40 | cjuner | d0uglas, just grep for the date? |
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| 17:04.56 | cahoot | d0uglas: like egrep -v '(string1|string2)' file? |
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| 17:05.27 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 17:05.53 | LuciusMare | i got jigdo-file, how do i tell it to recreate images, and eventually use the files from an older image? |
| 17:07.00 | oggei | reading man seems acceptable ? |
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| 17:07.30 | LuciusMare | i might mention i already read it |
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| 17:16.26 | JyZyXEL | man what the hell is up with encfs mounts |
| 17:16.36 | JyZyXEL | if some user does a encfs mount even root cannot go in that |
| 17:17.10 | JyZyXEL | and the permissions for the encfs mountpoint are ???????? ??????? ? ? ? ? ? |
| 17:17.23 | JyZyXEL | and even root cannot see them correctly |
| 17:17.30 | asg | JyZyXEL: that's a feature |
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| 17:18.12 | dark | with nfs, also, (local) root can't see everything |
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| 17:23.32 | paradoxmonkey | I've made a QoS script based on wondershaper however it doesn't quite work as expected. Class 1:10 doesn't have anything assigned to it and the default class is 1:40. The problem is that some (or even many) packages still end up in the 1:10 class. I think I must be doing something wrong. (http://pastebin.com/m40da8ddb) |
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| 17:24.04 | paradoxmonkey | What can I do to fix it, improve or otherwise make it work? |
| 17:24.33 | Rix | hi, is there network expert :} |
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| 17:25.12 | ix | Is it neccessary to run an X session on a machine in order for SSH X forwarding on that machine to work? |
| 17:25.21 | ix | Or is it completely independent and just use the libraries, etc. |
| 17:25.24 | karlpinc | !tell Rix about ask |
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| 17:25.43 | Rix | I use adsl net with wireless router. currently dhcp server is enabled and i get ip automaticly. I am trying to use NAT(napt) to redirect port from the router to the computer, so that i can use web/ftp etc servers and to be accessible from outside world. DO I need to DISABLE dhcp mode? |
| 17:26.08 | Rix | ;] |
| 17:26.11 | karlpinc | ix: The X client does not need to be running an X server (i.e. displaying graphics). |
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| 17:26.26 | ix | karlpinc: thanks! :-) |
| 17:26.28 | asg | ix: /msg dpkg sshx (the server just needs xauth) |
| 17:26.38 | ix | wonderful. |
| 17:27.04 | paradoxmonkey | Rix: No you do not, dhcp is used to assign ip addresses to your local computers |
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| 17:27.21 | SpeedyG | Rix: nope, you need to set a static IP, or add a static IP setting to your dhcp server telling it to assign that IP to that specific box only, usually determined by MAC address |
| 17:27.42 | karlpinc | Rix: That depends entirely on the router. Probably, because you don't want your debian box to get a different IP and have redireciton fail. |
| 17:27.55 | SpeedyG | (although even that should not always be necessary, but usually comes in handy) |
| 17:28.05 | Rix | aha, i have set the ip i usually get from dhcp |
| 17:28.08 | Rix | but it doesnt work |
| 17:28.09 | Rix | :S |
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| 17:28.17 | Rix | i will try withouth dhcp :S |
| 17:28.41 | morteng | debian-504-powerpc-netinst.iso malfunctions on PPC iMac G3 (slot loading), no X, only console, is anything known? |
| 17:28.58 | karlpinc | Rix: I always try to let the "dsl router" bridge and do pppoe or anything else needed on a box inside my network, which then routes/does dhcp or whatever for the rest of my lan. |
| 17:29.04 | paradoxmonkey | Should QoS with HTB really be that hard? |
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| 17:30.22 | Rix | so can i assign static ip for particular server and dhcp still enabled for other pc`s(for ex laptops) |
| 17:30.24 | karlpinc | morteng: You could check the bug database. |
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| 17:30.38 | karlpinc | Rix: Probably, depends on the router. |
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| 17:30.48 | Rix | ok thanks for helping :) |
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| 17:32.06 | karlpinc | paradoxmonkey: I find qos hard, annoying, and fragile, especially when the bandwidth subdivisions result in "small pipes". |
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| 17:33.27 | paradoxmonkey | karlpinc: I find it hard since there doesn't seem to be any one who has knowledge of it |
| 17:33.57 | paradoxmonkey | If only I had a fiber uplink... |
| 17:35.03 | Kryll | is it much of a hassle to mount my /home directory for user quotas its not mounted according to fstab |
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| 17:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | Kryll: Quotas are pretty easy. Just follow the quota mini-howto at tldp.org. |
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| 17:37.51 | Kryll | ok thanks |
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| 17:39.38 | dec3pti0n | anyone here ever used badblocks against a logical drive ? DAS sas logical drive |
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| 17:41.16 | jelly | dec3pti0n: if you have a hw raid controller, the system will see it as a physical device. |
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| 17:41.46 | dec3pti0n | jelly: cool |
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| 17:42.38 | tonhe | I just did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny... kernel didn't get upgraded tho.. still running etchnhalf kernel |
| 17:42.57 | karlpinc | tonhe: Best to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes. |
| 17:43.23 | oru_work | how can I change the default character set of a database to UTF-8 using phpmyadmin ? |
| 17:43.38 | karlpinc | tonhe: (And you won't run the new kernel until reboot, obviously.) |
| 17:43.51 | Kryll | is there a graphical interface for setting individual disk quotats once it is installed |
| 17:44.02 | \amethyst | oru_work: #phpmyadmin might be able to help more than we |
| 17:44.28 | tonhe | karlpinc: I already did a reboot.. /etc/debian_version shows 5.xxx but kernel is old |
| 17:44.32 | tonhe | everything else is updated |
| 17:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | tonhe: That's why karlpinc suggested reading the instructions. |
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| 17:45.20 | tonhe | yeah.. i'm loooking through them now |
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| 17:45.53 | d0uglas | cahoot: thanks! |
| 17:45.54 | tonhe | ususally I just do a upgrade update.. change apt sources, do another update and dist upgrrade |
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| 17:47.46 | tonhe | Whats the 686-bigmem? |
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| 17:48.30 | tonhe | over 4gb ? |
| 17:48.37 | JyZyXEL | over 9000 |
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| 17:49.49 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 17:50.44 | JyZyXEL | im not sure but -bigmem might mean PAE support |
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| 17:54.45 | LuciusMare | hi, i get "following packages are held in current version:" - what can cause it? |
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| 17:57.42 | karlpinc | LuciusMare: Running "aptitude hold foo"? |
| 17:57.49 | LuciusMare | hah. |
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| 17:57.55 | LuciusMare | Well, i didnt do that |
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| 18:03.54 | oru_work | how can I archive a folder with its contents to a .zip ? |
| 18:04.14 | jelly | !win JyZyXEL |
| 18:04.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, JyZyXEL! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:04.26 | tapuz | hello anyone know if there's a debian package for icecat? |
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| 18:04.51 | JyZyXEL | holy shit! |
| 18:05.06 | JyZyXEL | this calls for another beer |
| 18:05.06 | qwd | tapuz: iceweasel? |
| 18:05.07 | JyZyXEL | !beer |
| 18:05.07 | dpkg | [beer] liquid gold mate |
| 18:05.12 | JyZyXEL | damn rite! |
| 18:05.20 | tapuz | qwd: icecat specifically |
| 18:05.32 | oggei | oru_work: tell zip to recurse subdirectories |
| 18:05.37 | qwd | tapuz: what's the difference? |
| 18:05.55 | themill | !icecat |
| 18:05.55 | dpkg | GNU IceCat is a web browser distributed by the GNU Project, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel (not to be confused with Debian's <Iceweasel>). It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox made entirely of free software. Not packaged for Debian, RFP in bug #522196. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 18:05.56 | karlpinc | oru_work: Probably 'zip -d', but better read the man page. |
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| 18:06.15 | tapuz | qwd: privacy protection and basically it's a different fork |
| 18:06.24 | oggei | karlpinc: -d is delete entries |
| 18:06.40 | qwd | tapuz: I thought Iceweasel had privacy protection too? |
| 18:06.42 | karlpinc | oggei: So much for my zip-foo. |
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| 18:07.29 | rocketmagnet | hi all, which packages do i need to install the nvidia non-free driver ? |
| 18:07.31 | tapuz | qwd: don't ask me that, ask the coders. im solely interested in icecat |
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| 18:07.43 | Tw33k^ | hello |
| 18:07.45 | Tw33k^ | just installed lenny |
| 18:07.48 | Tw33k^ | having some trouble with grub |
| 18:07.53 | Tw33k^ | i get 'Hard disk error' |
| 18:08.02 | Tw33k^ | when i try and boot |
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| 18:08.15 | Tw33k^ | although if i use supergrubdisc it boots fine |
| 18:08.24 | Tw33k^ | o |
| 18:08.25 | karlpinc | !tell rocketmagnet about non-free |
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| 18:08.34 | Tw33k^ | i've tried reinstalling grub |
| 18:08.58 | Tw33k^ | still get: GRUB hard disk error |
| 18:09.04 | tapuz | qwd: ubunto has a repository for icecat |
| 18:10.11 | Tw33k^ | any ideas? |
| 18:10.38 | tapuz | Tw33k^: any special partition schemes? |
| 18:11.39 | qwd | tapuz: I'm not arguing, I'm just curious since I've heard of it but never really got why they have separate forks :) |
| 18:11.40 | Tw33k^ | tapuz: bioe |
| 18:11.41 | Tw33k^ | 'er |
| 18:11.44 | Tw33k^ | woa typo |
| 18:11.46 | Tw33k^ | nope |
| 18:11.56 | qwd | tapuz: thought that you might know since you specifically want icecat |
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| 18:13.02 | Tw33k^ | tapuz: |
| 18:13.02 | Tw33k^ | /dev/hda1 1 6994 56179273+ 83 Linux |
| 18:13.02 | Tw33k^ | /dev/hda2 6995 7297 2433847+ 5 Extended |
| 18:13.02 | Tw33k^ | /dev/hda5 6995 7297 2433816 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 18:13.11 | Tw33k^ | gar |
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| 18:13.12 | rgr | urgent help needed ;( Trying to transfer music from one HD to another BUT the old one contains a boot and an LVM. Its plugged into a portable via a USB - so I can see the boot and the LVM. Can I mount the LVM and get to the other partitions contained therein? |
| 18:13.14 | Tw33k^ | 3 lines is a flood |
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| 18:13.34 | ix | technically that was four |
| 18:13.39 | themill | Tw33k^: 4 lines when you prefix it with "tapuz:". Use a pastebin, /msg dpkg paste |
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| 18:14.17 | mguy | Has anyone installed mrtg on lenny? It doesn't seem to create /var/www/mrtg or the mrtg user after I "apt-get install mrtg" |
| 18:15.15 | themill | mguy: checked /usr/share/doc/mrtg/README.Debian? |
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| 18:16.53 | mguy | no I always forget about those |
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| 18:20.23 | limpio | hi, if i install a brand new hard drive, do i have to do anything to it? how about "dd if=/dev/zero of=" etc?? |
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| 18:20.51 | petemc | limpio: you'll want to create at least one partition and a filesystem on it |
| 18:21.09 | petemc | dont know what you would want to use dd if=/dev/zero on it.. |
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| 18:21.27 | dark | rgr, apt-get install lvm2 then mount /dev/mapper/volume-partition /mountpoint (you can list volumes with vgs and partitions with lvs) |
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| 18:21.46 | rgr | dark: many thanks - will try |
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| 18:21.52 | limpio | petemc, i read somewhere that before partitioning i had to format the first 512 bytes |
| 18:22.19 | petemc | limpio: only if you want to force remove an existing partition table |
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| 18:23.00 | rgr | mapper is empty but for a dir called control |
| 18:23.10 | rgr | the lvm is sda2 on the external usb |
| 18:23.16 | dark | hmm there is a step i forgot then |
| 18:23.24 | unixSnob | I seem to be dependant on ESD (an obsolete audio tool), in order to get some decent volume |
| 18:23.24 | limpio | petemc, so it comes already with a partition table? |
| 18:23.30 | dark | there is a command for reload things, hmm |
| 18:23.30 | petemc | limpio: no |
| 18:23.31 | rgr | i just found a google hit so fingers crossed |
| 18:24.20 | unixSnob | is it possible to get better volume w/out ESD? |
| 18:24.21 | petemc | limpio: see my first comment to you |
| 18:24.21 | Tw33k^ | anyone? |
| 18:24.21 | Tw33k^ | grub hard disk error? |
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| 18:24.21 | Tw33k^ | i went default everything installing lenny |
| 18:24.21 | dark | rgr, the command lvm vgs will say what? |
| 18:24.32 | limpio | petemc, ok, what do you mean "one partition and a file sysstem"?? |
| 18:24.46 | petemc | limpio: which part dont you understand? |
| 18:24.54 | Tw33k^ | shouldn't it be able to grub the mbr and make it bootable by default? |
| 18:24.59 | karlpinc | limpio: You might want to wiktionary the words. |
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| 18:25.53 | Tw33k^ | anyone? |
| 18:25.55 | Tw33k^ | srsly? |
| 18:26.06 | Tw33k^ | default install - cannot boot with the default grub install... |
| 18:26.17 | Tw33k^ | not sqeeze, lenny. |
| 18:26.22 | Tw33k^ | squeeze* |
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| 18:26.49 | limpio | petemc, ok, lemme ask differently, if i install a new hd, can i just partition (/,swap,/home) with ext3 WITHOUT doing anything additionally? |
| 18:26.54 | karlpinc | Tw33k^: Dunno. Check it's writing to the right disk. |
| 18:27.02 | Tw33k^ | there is only one disk |
| 18:27.10 | Tw33k^ | hda |
| 18:27.11 | petemc | limpio: sure |
| 18:27.38 | karlpinc | limpio: Partitioning is dividing up the disk. Putting a filesystem on let's you put files into the existing partitions. |
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| 18:30.02 | jhutchins_lt | limpio: Perhaps you're wondering if you can create new swap and /home partitions on the new drive and mount them to the existing filesystem; yes you can. |
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| 18:30.25 | limpio | karlpinc, this is what i did, when i install a SECOND linux distro, cfdisk tells me the rest the hd is "unusable" - all i've used is 5 gigs for root, swap and 20 gigs for /home, the hd is 160 gigs |
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| 18:31.24 | frostschutz | limpio: did you create 4 primary partitions? |
| 18:31.27 | karlpinc | limpio: The PC architecture is badly designed. You can only have 4 "primary" partitions. If you want more partitions then one of those must be an "extended" partition, which is then itself partitions. |
| 18:31.31 | japplet | hi all |
| 18:31.44 | karlpinc | s/partitions./partitioned./ |
| 18:31.52 | limpio | frostschutz, the only primary was root, the rest, logical |
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| 18:32.27 | jhutchins_lt | limpio: so you have root, extended, logical home, logical swap. |
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| 18:32.49 | limpio | jhutchins, correct |
| 18:33.48 | limpio | jhutchins, now debian lenny is working fine, but if i want to add a second distro, all i got is "unusable" space |
| 18:33.51 | frostschutz | limpio: that's odd, can you nopaste your partition table somewhere (sfdisk -d /dev/disk) |
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| 18:34.33 | karlpinc | frostschutz: (I always like sfdisk -l ;) |
| 18:34.41 | frostschutz | or -l |
| 18:34.46 | japplet | i can't get pmap working, the /proc/[pid]/maps files don't return anything |
| 18:36.18 | limpio | frostschutz, macondo@sonic:~$ sfdisk -d /dev/sda |
| 18:36.18 | limpio | bash: sfdisk: command not found |
| 18:36.35 | frostschutz | you want to be root for that |
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| 18:41.11 | rgr | command line to remove all non hidden directories? |
| 18:41.24 | nvz | I can't seem to get my card readers to work lately. I have an Acer AspireOne ZG5, not sure if they are usb or what.. but they don't come up at all under debian for some reason. I don't see em in dmesg, lspci, lsusb.. nothing |
| 18:41.44 | limpio | frostschutz, #59285 - limpio- at paste.debian.net |
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| 18:44.17 | limpio | frostschutz, sorry, this is the link: http://paste.debian.net/59285 |
| 18:44.20 | |Marco| | I've put a PCI sound card that I had in my media machine in a new machine, the old machine had gentoo and this one has debian 5.0.4, I know it's the oxygen drivers that are ment for it, but for some reason I can't get the card to register with alsa |
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| 18:45.10 | |Marco| | the drivers load just fine, but there are no devices present other than what I find in lspci |
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| 18:46.30 | limpio | karlpinc, http://paste.debian.net/59285 |
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| 18:47.16 | cahoot | |Marco|: so it doesn't show up in /proc/asound? |
| 18:47.50 | |Marco| | cahoot: no |
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| 18:48.34 | |Marco| | cahoot: proc asound cards says --- no soundcards --- |
| 18:48.40 | ceesco | if I have a package, is there somewhere to look for the options used into the ./configure script before compilation? |
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| 18:49.03 | |Marco| | ceesco: usually ./configure --help |
| 18:49.13 | |Marco| | depending on what options are avalible |
| 18:49.14 | ceesco | |Marco|: you don't understand my question |
| 18:49.28 | ceesco | what options were used to compile the binaries which are in the package |
| 18:49.33 | limpio | OK, if i go out and install a new hd, can i go ahead and install 2 or 3 different distros (only /root, primary of course) |
| 18:49.35 | ceesco | I want to know what the maintainer did |
| 18:50.20 | |Marco| | ceesco: ah, I'll guess you can look at the sites of the distro for spec's on that probably |
| 18:50.29 | |Marco| | cahoot: any suggestions ? |
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| 18:51.21 | themill | ceesco: get the source package and look in debian/rules. /msg dpkg deb-src ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:51.34 | ceesco | themill: thanks! |
| 18:51.39 | limpio | frostschutz, can i still save this hd? |
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| 18:52.00 | slik | can anybody help me with the installing of awesome window manager |
| 18:52.03 | slik | ? |
| 18:52.25 | cahoot | |Marco|: you run a debian kernel? |
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| 18:53.35 | nervousTwitch | anyone know how to correct (gnome-settings-daemon:2523): WARNING **: Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon |
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| 18:55.14 | |Marco| | cahoot: yeah, but since the cpu on this machine is pretty slow, I'd preffer not to have to build a custome kernel :S |
| 18:55.26 | |Marco| | it's a 2.6.26 |
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| 18:55.47 | cahoot | |Marco|: no complaints in dmesg when you modprobe the module? |
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| 18:56.58 | |Marco| | cahoot: not a thing |
| 18:57.19 | frostschutz | limpio: the sfdisk output you posted says that you're using the full capacity of your extended partition... so unless you made the extended partition smaller than disk size (minus sda1), you're using the full disk |
| 18:57.21 | |Marco| | but I feel I'm missing a init script in init.d |
| 18:58.46 | limpio | frostschutz, so what do i have to do? reinstall lenny and use less than 5 gigs for /root? sorry, i'm lost... |
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| 18:59.38 | frostschutz | limpio: depends on what you have on those partitions, and what it is you want to do ;) |
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| 19:01.06 | dTal | So I have an embedded device here, and it has both emdebian and regular debian sources in apt |
| 19:01.22 | frostschutz | limpio: have a look at gparted, it can resize partitions and filesystems for you |
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| 19:01.53 | dTal | and I'm having a lot of trouble installing stuff, both apt and aptitude are complaining about dependencies |
| 19:02.01 | limpio | frostschutz, ok, i used dd if=/dev/zero to fill the whole disk and start fresh, here's another question if i take this hd and install a brand-new one, can i install right off the bat, or do i have to do something else? |
| 19:02.03 | SpeedyG | pff, sometimes microsoft just makes me wanna kill someone :| |
| 19:02.24 | limpio | if i take out this disk |
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| 19:03.06 | dTal | as far as I can tell, it doesn't recognise that emdebian versions of packages still fulfill dependencies, and it doesn't want to replace them with regular debian packages either |
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| 19:03.30 | frostschutz | limpio: no, you don't have to do anything else |
| 19:03.47 | limpio | frostschutz, thank you man |
| 19:03.50 | jhutchins_lt | limpio: Installer will partition & format for you. |
| 19:04.17 | dTal | I don't want to pin debian higher than emdebian because then it will replace all packages with debian ones, and I'm afraid that might break something |
| 19:04.25 | dTal | so what should I do? |
| 19:04.50 | limpio | jhutchins, yeah,debian's does but some others use cfdisk |
| 19:05.18 | dTal | example: "libgtk-directfb-2.0-dev: Depends: libgtk-directfb-2.0-0 (= 2.18.6-1) but 2.18.6-1em1 is to be installed" |
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| 19:06.24 | limpio | thanks everybody , gotta go |
| 19:06.43 | frostschutz | dTal: my guess here would be that debian sources are not meant to be used with embedded |
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| 19:07.18 | manicman | hi |
| 19:07.19 | dTal | There's no difference except emdebian has no manpages |
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| 19:07.57 | dTal | is there? |
| 19:08.09 | SpeedyG | hi, in a few days I will be receiving some new hardware including 4GB of ram, is the 64-bit version of debian required to be able to address that amount of memory? (I've been hearing several stories about that) |
| 19:08.20 | manicman | i need libprelude to provide easybindings. this is an option for ./configure. how do i request that or find out how the package contributer has compiled the libprelude and libpreludedb? |
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| 19:10.03 | jelly-home | manicman: inspect the source package, esp. debian/rules |
| 19:10.30 | manicman | jelly-home: any links howto debian/rules and the source? |
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| 19:11.51 | jelly-home | manicman: /msg dpkg apt-get source; /msg dpkg ssb, but follow that one only up to "apt-get -b source packagename" and don't use -b there |
| 19:12.49 | manicman | jelly-home: thx |
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| 19:16.41 | SpeedyG | or rather from a performance perspective, should I with an intel core2duo cpu and 4GB of ram rather choose the amd64 or i386 release if I'd want to run several virtual machines? |
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| 19:18.37 | pierre_le | SpeedyG, amd64 obv |
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| 19:19.37 | SpeedyG | pierre_le: as I do not have much experience with such 'new' hardware, I'd have to ask why ? :) |
| 19:19.42 | wols | SpeedyG: with i386 since it uses less memory. unless you must have 64bit guests |
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| 19:19.59 | runix__ | hey. it's /etc/environment deprecated? |
| 19:20.10 | wols | runix__: not that I know of |
| 19:20.25 | SpeedyG | wols: and what about non-64bit OS not supporting +3GB of memory, or is that just a microsoft issue? |
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| 19:20.40 | runix__ | wols: and is this automatically read by init scripts or I need to add the line to profile? |
| 19:20.50 | wols | SpeedyG: linux doesn't support more either. it's a 32bit x86 architecture issue |
| 19:20.57 | wols | runix__: automatic |
| 19:21.05 | runix__ | wols: super duper. tnx |
| 19:21.08 | wols | oh. init scripts. dunno, sorry |
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| 19:21.16 | SpeedyG | wols: so for the full 4GB to become available, you'd suggest using amd64 ? |
| 19:21.17 | puty | puty |
| 19:21.28 | wols | but last time I checked, long ago, it was honored. you gotta test it I guess |
| 19:21.58 | wols | depends what you mean with "full 4GB". linux can, afaik use all of it, just not for a single process |
| 19:22.17 | wols | the per proces memory limit is still 2GB by default |
| 19:23.11 | wols | and: the amount of memory you lose due to 32bitness, can easily be smaller than the memory needed for a 64bit OS |
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| 19:24.35 | SpeedyG | wols: so if I understand correctly, all 4GB can be assigned, devided upto a max of 2GB/proces no matter what release I'd use? |
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| 19:25.08 | Kryll | clear |
| 19:25.13 | Kryll | oop |
| 19:25.18 | Kryll | oops |
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| 19:26.14 | pierre_le | SpeedyG, google "Myths and facts about 64-bit Linux" |
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| 19:28.46 | SpeedyG | pierre_le: thanks for that hint :) |
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| 19:32.50 | runix__ | wols: so, I added to /etc/environment "TZ=`cat /etc/timezone`", but doesn't seems to be available to apache when I /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:34.19 | jelly-home | pierre_le: that page is neglecting to mention usage scenarios where 64bit really is much slower |
| 19:34.36 | runix__ | wols: um. letme do a better test |
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| 19:39.51 | Tw33k^ | can anyone help with my grub issue? |
| 19:40.00 | Tw33k^ | i don't know what to do to get this thing booting |
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| 19:42.10 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: what issue? |
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| 19:42.40 | jelly-home | does Tw33k^ have a pastebin post explaining their issue in detail? |
| 19:42.42 | felipec | I don't understand how multiple --dbg-package in dh_strip should work |
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| 19:47.25 | Simon14 | Hi, I have a Lenovo G530 notebook and it has a broadcom wifi card BCM43. Will I be able to do a netinstall without a wired connection? |
| 19:47.44 | dTal | okay, I'm trying apt-pinning |
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| 19:48.27 | ivers | Simon14: have you checked that the revision is supported by the default source driver ? |
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| 19:49.11 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: after an absolutely default vanilla install of lenny 5.0.4 (guided partitions all one partition etc) i boot and get GRUB Hard Disk Error |
| 19:49.26 | Tw33k^ | supergrub disc can boot it fine |
| 19:49.33 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: that's the whole message? |
| 19:49.37 | Tw33k^ | thats it man |
| 19:49.46 | Tw33k^ | hard disk error |
| 19:50.02 | Tw33k^ | i tried running grub then |
| 19:50.07 | Tw33k^ | root (hd0,0) |
| 19:50.17 | Tw33k^ | kernel /boot/vmlinublablabla |
| 19:50.23 | Tw33k^ | initrd /boot/initrdblablabla |
| 19:50.25 | ivers | kernel whatever ? |
| 19:50.33 | Tw33k^ | reboot |
| 19:50.37 | Tw33k^ | same issue |
| 19:50.44 | Tw33k^ | tried running the 'autofix' on subergrub |
| 19:50.47 | Tw33k^ | same issue |
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| 19:51.02 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: have you read some of the useful and less useful google results, like http://exple.tive.org/documents/grub_hard_disk_error.html ? |
| 19:51.34 | Tw33k^ | ok |
| 19:51.35 | Tw33k^ | fair enough |
| 19:51.36 | Tw33k^ | although |
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| 19:51.49 | Tw33k^ | this is a reinstallation on this box |
| 19:51.55 | Tw33k^ | it was running fedora fine until yesterday |
| 19:51.56 | Tw33k^ | with grub |
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| 19:52.16 | somecoolname | install agai |
| 19:52.17 | somecoolname | n |
| 19:52.22 | Tw33k^ | install what |
| 19:52.23 | Tw33k^ | grub? |
| 19:52.26 | somecoolname | yep |
| 19:52.29 | Tw33k^ | i did |
| 19:52.35 | Tw33k^ | i said that |
| 19:52.41 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: please try writing whole thoughts in one line, with no excessive use of the enter key. |
| 19:52.55 | Tw33k^ | apologies for my disjointed thought process |
| 19:53.02 | Tw33k^ | i'm a bit jointed |
| 19:53.04 | Tw33k^ | :P |
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| 19:53.13 | cahoot | enteritis? |
| 19:53.36 | jelly-home | itis? |
| 19:53.36 | Tw33k^ | infected with weedbola |
| 19:53.41 | jelly-home | cahoot: I did! |
| 19:53.57 | Tw33k^ | bowla* |
| 19:54.06 | somecoolname | try some other boot manager perhaps |
| 19:54.11 | somecoolname | i would mess with the bios |
| 19:54.15 | somecoolname | wouldn't |
| 19:54.16 | Tw33k^ | but grub worked until yesterday |
| 19:54.18 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: are you... installing under influence?? |
| 19:54.19 | Tw33k^ | no bios changes |
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| 19:54.42 | Tw33k^ | if i didnt change anything bios wise since it was working i doubt it'd be that |
| 19:54.53 | Tw33k^ | and this isnt some crap bios either - its an ibm xSeries |
| 19:54.58 | Tw33k^ | intellistation |
| 19:55.18 | somecoolname | how did you reinstall |
| 19:55.19 | cahoot | Tw33k^: check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 19:55.46 | Tw33k^ | cahoot: i had supergrubdisc write a new /boot/grub/device.map using the settings which worked for it to boot my deb install... no go |
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| 19:56.12 | Tw33k^ | somecoolname: grub, root (hd0,0), kernel /boot/whatever, initrd /boot/whatever, reboot |
| 19:56.25 | Tw33k^ | should cover it right? |
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| 19:58.28 | Simon14 | ivers: Where can I check the default drivers |
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| 19:59.52 | ivers | Simon14: google |
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| 20:00.58 | dTal | well apt pinning allows stuff to install |
| 20:01.16 | somecoolname | Tw33k^: you haven't messed up your mbr? |
| 20:01.54 | Tw33k^ | somecoolname: i don't believe so |
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| 20:03.19 | Tw33k^ | i'm willing to check whatever |
| 20:03.25 | Tw33k^ | i'm in irssi on that box right now |
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| 20:04.18 | Tw33k^ | i'm not at the same location of the box but can /exec -o any commands you think could be helpful to check |
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| 20:05.12 | Tw33k^ | like... this being a default install... the installer writes an MBR right? |
| 20:05.15 | tatototino | my pam_ldap not block host atribute (pam_check_host_attr), wky? |
| 20:06.25 | Tw33k^ | and if this was an issue with my bios - super grub wouldn't boot it correctly |
| 20:06.39 | SpeedyG | pierre_le: now I'm puzzled... wols saying to stay with 32bit, amd presentation on differences between 32/64bit saying to go for 64bit :/ |
| 20:07.32 | wols | SpeedyG: amd makes 64bit cpus. they were a major marketing point for theit stuff. what do you expect? |
| 20:07.48 | wols | and I doubt their marketing bullshit deals with linux either |
| 20:09.11 | SpeedyG | wols: this pdf http://www.amd64.org/fileadmin/user_upload/pub/64bit_Linux-Myths_and_Facts.pdf is fully focussed on linux, although it may be from a marketing perspective ofcourse :) |
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| 20:09.45 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: does that presentation take into account Debian's own amd64 vsa i386 issues? |
| 20:10.04 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: guess it doesnt |
| 20:10.32 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: but then again, as it comes to the whole 32/64bit thing, i'm new to it and pretty much searching on facts about it |
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| 20:12.19 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: and as I keep hearing from people that windows (and sometimes linux as well) does not 'see' (perhaps show would be a better word of choice here) more than 3GB of memory on i386 releases |
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| 20:12.57 | SpeedyG | i'm still a bit puzzled on the whole subject :/ |
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| 20:13.58 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.03 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: windows vendor _decided_ not to support 4GB+ setups on 32bit XP-2003. It's totally doable using PAE, and Linux does it |
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| 20:15.37 | karme | you can sometimes make use of >4gb address space with less than 4gb ram |
| 20:15.47 | karme | ~s/make use/make good use |
| 20:15.57 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: in Debian, one can use a -686-bigmem or an -amd64 flavor kernel with 32bit userspace |
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| 20:18.46 | karme | i would throw another rule of thumb in: if your machine is 64bit capable use it ;-) |
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| 20:19.58 | SpeedyG | wols: 64bit it will be then, as it will be a 4GB server running multiple VMs |
| 20:20.30 | jelly-home | karme: nope, that's completely wrong reason to do it |
| 20:20.47 | karme | jelly-home: it is my rule of thumb - no reason |
| 20:21.28 | karme | jelly-home: for the reason see above - process address space (for me the most important one - though i have specific needs) |
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| 20:21.58 | jelly-home | rules of thumb are supposed to have an underlying excuse |
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| 20:23.31 | karme | jelly-home: part of which i delivered - and as SpeedyG talks about server usage, another important reason is, that you will end up to have at least some 64bit servers => easier if you move all of them to 64bit |
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| 20:23.57 | Tw33k^ | ;_; can nobody help me with grub? |
| 20:24.02 | JyZyXEL | how do i mount encfs fs so that it acts with same permissions as any other mount |
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| 20:24.18 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: have you tried messing the geometry in the bios yet? |
| 20:24.33 | jelly-home | with* |
| 20:24.41 | DanDare | Hello. Just installed cups on Lenny. Which configuration file Lenny is actually using "cupsd.conf" or "cupsd.conf.default" ? |
| 20:25.05 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: again, fedora was booting with grub just yesterday - i've made no changes to the bios since then - how could this be related? Also, if that was the issue, would super grub discs' grub not have the same problem? |
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| 20:25.48 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: I have no idea. Have you tried it or are you just waiting for the channel to offer a magical solution? |
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| 20:26.19 | Tw33k^ | what are you recommending? Just randomly 'messing' with the drive settings? They are correct. |
| 20:26.33 | Tw33k^ | the drive works, supergrubdiscs grub boots fine |
| 20:26.38 | Tw33k^ | i'm booted now |
| 20:26.45 | Tw33k^ | just not using the grub in the mbr |
| 20:26.56 | Tw33k^ | what would you recommend i check? |
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| 20:27.36 | Tw33k^ | you ask if i've 'tried it' but offered nothing to 'try' other than 'mess with your bios' - which works using any other GRUB |
| 20:27.54 | Tw33k^ | except the stock debian lenny grub |
| 20:28.07 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: geometry settings (LBA, "large", and similar) for the particular drive. Make sure they're match the geometry the partition table was created with |
| 20:28.16 | Tw33k^ | oh |
| 20:28.17 | Tw33k^ | ok |
| 20:28.18 | Tw33k^ | in that case |
| 20:28.20 | Tw33k^ | they do. |
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| 20:28.41 | jelly-home | what does fdisk say the geometry on the p.table is? |
| 20:28.41 | Tw33k^ | the drive settings are fine in the bios. I'm positive of that. |
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| 20:28.51 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: i'll pm |
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| 20:28.57 | jelly-home | don't, use a pastebin |
| 20:29.11 | Tw33k^ | its easier to pm due to irssi having cli access on the box |
| 20:29.12 | Tw33k^ | but ok |
| 20:29.17 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 20:29.17 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 20:29.28 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:29.28 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 20:29.45 | gyyrog | I am trying to install tcp dump while connected to a debian box via ssh. It requests the cdrom halfwaythrough. Is there a way around this? |
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| 20:30.07 | jelly-home | gyyrog: remove any cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list, rerun aptitude update |
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| 20:31.12 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: how would i use pastebinit to paste the output of fdisk, given that fdisk is interactive? |
| 20:31.37 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: The problem with pastebinit is there's no way to delete a paste if you, say, paste live passwords in a conf file. |
| 20:31.39 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 20:31.48 | Tw33k^ | k |
| 20:32.04 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: um... foo > file; less file; pastebinit < file |
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| 20:32.34 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/f65929e33 |
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| 20:32.50 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yeah, but there's always the "wait - whoops" factor. |
| 20:33.04 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: there's always lynx (and friends) |
| 20:33.21 | jhutchins_lt | It'd be nice if you could have a little conf file that specified default ttl and username for deletion. |
| 20:33.42 | jhutchins_lt | (maybe even autoposting to a specified channel) |
| 20:33.43 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: sounds like a great project, I bet Debian will accept your patches! |
| 20:34.00 | Tw33k^ | jhutchins_lt: autoposting can be handled by your irc client |
| 20:34.12 | Tw33k^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.15 | Tw33k^ | if you're in irssi |
| 20:34.24 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: I'll take a look at it. Might at least submit a feature frequest. |
| 20:34.44 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: 255 heads, 63 sectors is "LBA" geometry. Make sure the BIOS setting is that and not "Large" or "normal" |
| 20:34.51 | Tw33k^ | it's LBA |
| 20:34.54 | Tw33k^ | i'm positive |
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| 20:36.14 | Tw33k^ | any other suggestions? |
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| 20:36.40 | jelly-home | apart from "Try a different boot loader, like grub-pc or lilo", not at present |
| 20:36.57 | gyyrog | thanks jelly |
| 20:37.02 | Tw33k^ | :[ |
| 20:37.06 | Tw33k^ | but grub works! |
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| 20:37.11 | Tw33k^ | thats the baffling part |
| 20:37.21 | Tw33k^ | what is super grub disc doing that my grub isn't |
| 20:37.31 | Tw33k^ | is there anything else i can check regarding my grub configuration? |
| 20:38.31 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: have you checked the bug reports on grub package? |
| 20:38.43 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: no sir |
| 20:38.50 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 20:38.50 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 20:38.55 | Tw33k^ | perhaps i'll just try grub2 |
| 20:39.07 | Tw33k^ | onward and upward right |
| 20:39.19 | jelly-home | eh, you haven't exactly convinced me you know what you're doing, so I can't really be bothered thinking of a way to fix your boot issue just the way you'd like it fixed |
| 20:39.32 | Tw33k^ | i have installed grub numerous times |
| 20:39.39 | Tw33k^ | i have checked the things i need to check |
| 20:39.51 | Tw33k^ | the only thing i didnt know was how to get fdisk to output without interaction |
| 20:40.01 | DanDare | Im trying to configure Cups on Lenny. The correct syntax must be like "BrowseAddress @LOCAL" or like "BrowseAddress = @LOCAL" or any ? |
| 20:40.16 | Tw33k^ | i make a living supporting a software package on solaris, aix, debian, rhel and suse |
| 20:40.20 | Tw33k^ | i do know what i'm doing/. |
| 20:40.57 | Tw33k^ | thanks for the "help" |
| 20:41.00 | Tw33k^ | very "useful" |
| 20:41.08 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 20:41.12 | Tw33k^ | ... check my bios ... |
| 20:41.22 | Tw33k^ | it is you sir who hasn't convinced me that you know what you're doing |
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| 20:41.29 | frostschutz | Tw33k^: in all that spam, what's the error message again? |
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| 20:41.44 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: GRUB Hard Disk Error |
| 20:42.11 | Tw33k^ | supergrub disc boots it fine using 'auto' |
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| 20:42.44 | Tw33k^ | grub worked just yesterday on the hdd in fedora, and all i've done since then is wipe the drive and install lenny - completely default - from a netinst |
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| 20:43.04 | frostschutz | you're not using a scsi controller right |
| 20:43.08 | Tw33k^ | no |
| 20:43.13 | Tw33k^ | IDE |
| 20:43.19 | frostschutz | onboard ide? |
| 20:43.22 | Tw33k^ | yea |
| 20:43.25 | Tw33k^ | sec i'll lspci |
| 20:43.53 | wots | hi ... i have some shares of two hospitals and one smaller part of an airport |
| 20:43.57 | nervousTwitch | anyone know a channel for Nautilus? |
| 20:43.57 | wots | anyone interested? |
| 20:44.05 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 Controller (rev 04) |
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| 20:44.33 | illmatix_ | hi |
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| 20:44.39 | Tw33k^ | works fine for everything but defult lenny grub |
| 20:44.42 | wots | maybe you frostschutz |
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| 20:44.50 | illmatix | oops |
| 20:44.50 | jelly-home | wots: are you sure you're in the right channel? |
| 20:44.56 | Tw33k^ | lolwots |
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| 20:45.22 | wots | jep :) |
| 20:45.38 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: any suggestions? |
| 20:45.43 | wots | the hospitals are with higher ratings |
| 20:45.45 | illmatix | I'm trying to install transmission on my vps but i keep having an issue with the svn and it not compiling properly. When it goes to do libtransmission it fails when it asks for the openssl files and everything then on |
| 20:45.46 | jelly-home | wots: this doesn't sound like a Debian support issue. |
| 20:45.52 | wots | but the hotels are not recodomended |
| 20:46.07 | wots | the airport ... will be mine |
| 20:46.13 | jelly-home | wots: please move to #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 20:46.41 | illmatix | would anyone have any suggestions? |
| 20:46.43 | frostschutz | Tw33k^: nah, I just found a ubuntu wiki page here that describes a similar problem (GRUB Hard Disk Error but Super Grub works fine) but the cause there was a faulty scsi / bios |
| 20:46.47 | wots | i dont mind |
| 20:47.00 | jelly-home | wots: we do. Debian is not a monopoly yet... ostensibly you could try ##windows |
| 20:47.07 | Tw33k^ | it _has_ a scsi card, but its disabled in the bios |
| 20:47.13 | gyyrog | wow! pastebinit is cool!!! |
| 20:47.59 | Tw33k^ | historicaly the scsi card didnt affect fedoras boot operation while in both enabled and disabled states |
| 20:48.10 | Tw33k^ | using grub |
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| 20:48.38 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: i have googled this |
| 20:48.48 | jelly-home | wonders if Tw33k^'s machine is reading grub MBR from the disk drive it's supposed to |
| 20:48.52 | Chr1z | I'm running lenny.. what do I need to add to sources.list to be able to install a package from sid? |
| 20:48.54 | frostschutz | Tw33k^: well the wiki page here says that adaptec scsi controllers are causing this issue |
| 20:49.03 | Tw33k^ | it is an adaptec |
| 20:49.07 | Tw33k^ | but again, disabled |
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| 20:49.42 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: there is only one disk drive |
| 20:49.53 | mike-burns | Chr1z: Other people are going to give you crap, so before they do: are you sure the package isn't in backports.org? |
| 20:50.16 | frostschutz | Tw33k^: and their recommended workaround is to install grub on a partition instead of the mbr, and then use GAG http://gag.sourceforge.net/index.html to go from MBR to the partition grub |
| 20:50.18 | Chr1z | mike-burns: looking... |
| 20:50.29 | Tw33k^ | hmmmmm |
| 20:50.43 | Tw33k^ | will this workaround affect future full dist-upgrades? |
| 20:50.56 | Chr1z | mike-burns: no.. it's now..I need python-central 0.6.11 (lenny uses 0.6.8) |
| 20:51.00 | Chr1z | now=not |
| 20:51.10 | Tw33k^ | oh god |
| 20:51.12 | Tw33k^ | gag is awful |
| 20:51.16 | frostschutz | :D |
| 20:51.16 | Tw33k^ | i've used that before years ago |
| 20:51.16 | jelly-home | Chr1z: you really don't want to do that, the systme will be partially upgraded to sid then. Make a backport yourself if you have to, or don't use lenny. |
| 20:51.43 | frostschutz | Tw33k^: well, if you really know what you're doing, and you tried everything else, you could remove the scsi card just for fun, and see if it solves your issue... |
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| 20:51.50 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: that seems crazy, and i hate to keep going back to this but i think its a key point... |
| 20:51.50 | Devastator | !tell Chr1z about ssb |
| 20:52.00 | Tw33k^ | fedora grub worked |
| 20:52.05 | Tw33k^ | supergrub disc works |
| 20:52.16 | wots | @frostschutz die bieten mir den stealtbomber nicht an. |
| 20:52.54 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: also i cant remove the scsi card(s) - they're on the mainboard... it's an ibm intellistation server |
| 20:53.04 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: dude, it's quite possible there's a bug in debian or a patch in fedora's grub. In any case, this situation you now have obviously doesn't work, so why not try one of the suggestions. |
| 20:53.18 | Chr1z | Devastator: what deb-src would I add to my sources.list ? |
| 20:53.22 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: fair enough |
| 20:53.50 | frostschutz | Tw33k^: if fedora grub works, the solution is easy, just use that ;) |
| 20:53.56 | Tw33k^ | actually |
| 20:53.58 | Tw33k^ | shit |
| 20:54.02 | Tw33k^ | good call |
| 20:54.08 | Tw33k^ | brb fedoralivecd |
| 20:54.20 | frostschutz | if it only works from cd that doesn't say anything unfortunately |
| 20:54.26 | DanDare | Hello, still trying to setup cups. I can access the Home page of cups on localhost but cant on other machines on LAN. I have "BrowseAddress @LOCAL" and "BrowseAllow all", what shoud I look on configuration file to be able to access cup page on LAN ? |
| 20:54.37 | Tw33k^ | frostschutz: it was working from MBR in fedora |
| 20:54.39 | Tw33k^ | on the hdd |
| 20:54.45 | Tw33k^ | although i had LVM on then |
| 20:54.47 | Tw33k^ | and do not now |
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| 20:55.08 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: that implies you had a small /boot, too, and you don't now |
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| 20:55.28 | Chr1z | mike-burns: so what would I need to add to my sources file to be able to pull a sid package? |
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| 20:56.19 | mike-burns | Chr1z: I don't actually know that answer, since I'm a Debian newb myself. I only know what gets people yelled at in here. |
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| 20:57.09 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: i did indeed |
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| 20:57.28 | wots | okay... i have two airports |
| 20:57.30 | Tw33k^ | i was bootstrapping from my mbr -> /boot partition |
| 20:57.35 | Tw33k^ | previously |
| 20:57.36 | wots | one hospital .. and lots of hotels |
| 20:57.44 | Tw33k^ | does that make a difference here? |
| 20:58.01 | Tw33k^ | i'm pretty good at *nix, just not grub/hdd stuff specifically |
| 20:58.02 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: see, that is what one might call useful information when regarding boot issue |
| 20:58.03 | wots | it keeps mind against machine running *g* |
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| 20:58.13 | Tw33k^ | jelly-home: ok |
| 20:58.18 | Tw33k^ | is that helpful? |
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| 20:58.29 | Tw33k^ | anything else to try then? |
| 20:58.36 | jelly-home | mumbles about stupid developers thinking they know their sysadmining stuff... |
| 20:58.44 | Tw33k^ | o |
| 20:58.48 | jelly-home | yall look the same to me! |
| 20:58.52 | Tw33k^ | ... |
| 20:58.59 | Tw33k^ | i'm not a dev |
| 20:59.03 | wots | additional boled eggs |
| 20:59.07 | Tw33k^ | i do admin stuff... just in vmware mostly |
| 20:59.12 | Tw33k^ | so grub JUST WORKS |
| 20:59.43 | jelly-home | Tw33k^: yeah, still, IBM does weird stuff with their bios and mbr. You don't want to know about certain Thinkpads. |
| 20:59.44 | wots | hum |
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| 21:00.03 | Tw33k^ | its a server so thats even more likely |
| 21:00.06 | jelly-home | !ops wots trolling |
| 21:00.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: wots trolling |
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| 21:00.46 | montyboy | can module-assistant be used on custom modules? |
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| 21:01.17 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 21:01.20 | illmatix | i'm having an issue with my system not finding openssl files it needs to make Transmission from the SVN |
| 21:01.31 | RichiH | jelly-home: no, thank you :) |
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| 21:02.42 | mike-burns | illmatix: openssl's 4-clause BSD license is incompatible with Debian. You need to install it from non-free. |
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| 21:03.14 | tosted | hi i have a Samsung SCX-4200... how to setup printer and scaner? |
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| 21:03.34 | tosted | !cups |
| 21:03.35 | dpkg | methinks cups is the Common UNIX Printing System. CUPS provides a portable printing layer for UNIX-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:03.36 | chalwala | hello, i am trying to learn how to build packages for debian. i use dh_make to generate controlfiles, but i do not understand how to make a package which does not need a Makefile. any help please |
| 21:03.37 | streuner | look at linux-laptop.net |
| 21:03.41 | tosted | !splix |
| 21:03.47 | jelly-home | illmatix: if you're building stuff with openssl support, you'll need libssl-dev installed |
| 21:03.59 | streuner | tosted: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 21:04.10 | illmatix | Oh alright. |
| 21:04.25 | jelly-home | illmatix: I supposed you've already done apt-get build-dep transmission? |
| 21:04.35 | jelly-home | s/sed/se/ |
| 21:05.05 | illmatix | yes. I should have everything but it seems the envronment variables for these things aren't set or something. |
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| 21:05.43 | tosted | streuner: Scx-4200 are not laptop! |
| 21:06.09 | jelly-home | illmatix: weird, perhaps if you pastebin the whole output of your ./configure or whatnot someone might have a clue |
| 21:06.12 | tosted | streuner: it s a multifuncional printer |
| 21:06.14 | streuner | tosted: right, try linux-printing.org :-P |
| 21:06.25 | tosted | streuner: lol |
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| 21:08.02 | hellyeah | how can i change lilo to grub |
| 21:08.04 | illmatix | when i try get libssl the following is mentioned "libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.8 (= 0.9.8c-4etch4) but 0.9.8c-4etch9 is to be installed" |
| 21:08.21 | illmatix | i've had similar issues with other packages needed for this build |
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| 21:09.44 | jelly-home | illmatix: can you do an upgrade first? |
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| 21:09.57 | illmatix | as in apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:10.00 | jelly-home | illmatix: yes. |
| 21:10.14 | illmatix | Did that and theres nothing to upgrade |
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| 21:10.38 | jelly-home | illmatix: that is weird. pastebin apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8 libssl-dev |
| 21:11.06 | hellyeah | hey |
| 21:11.23 | hellyeah | how can i install nvidia gforce 8400 deriver to debian squeeze |
| 21:11.31 | illmatix | http://pastebin.com/d15f72a2b |
| 21:11.59 | jelly-home | illmatix: you're missing the security updates repository in your sources.list |
| 21:12.10 | illmatix | oh? |
| 21:12.13 | illmatix | thats not good |
| 21:12.32 | hellyeah | pls help |
| 21:12.33 | jelly-home | dpkg: tell illmatix about oldstable security |
| 21:12.51 | illmatix | Thanks :) |
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| 21:13.18 | hellyeah | i need help to install nvidia driver |
| 21:13.34 | jelly-home | illmatix: (after you fix the machine, note the expiry date on etch in that factoid) |
| 21:13.49 | jelly-home | (it's very close) |
| 21:13.50 | chalwala | nobody builds packages? |
| 21:14.02 | illmatix | jelly-home: yes just noticed that. Is it hard to upgrade the distro? |
| 21:15.13 | jelly-home | illmatix: it's supposed to be fairly sensible. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:16.22 | jelly-home | if everything goes right, I'd say it's two hours lost (and a bit more down the line to tune/fix all the little config details) |
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| 21:16.41 | DEbiansqueeze | what do you mean nobody builds packages? |
| 21:16.56 | chalwala | DEbiansqueeze: >hello, i am trying to learn how to build packages for debian. i use dh_make to generate controlfiles, but i do not understand how to make a package which does not need a Makefile. any help please |
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| 21:17.15 | illmatix | jelly-home: Thanks for the help. That should get me started for now. |
| 21:18.06 | jelly-home | illmatix: just upgrade or better dist-upgrade etch first, that should get your libssl* and libssl*dev in sync |
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| 21:18.36 | illmatix | well when i do atp-get upgrade plesk sources end up throwing some issues |
| 21:18.36 | TPC | hello, I just updated my amd64 system running sid for the first time in two months, including a kernel upgrade |
| 21:18.51 | TPC | but now after booting into the system no 32-bit binaries run, they segfault |
| 21:18.56 | TPC | any ideas what the problem could be? |
| 21:19.21 | TPC | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 itself seems to segfault, so its not a specific app problem |
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| 21:19.45 | rocketmagnet | hi all, how to install python 3.1 and 2.6 on the same system ? |
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| 21:21.09 | jelly-home | illmatix: uhh, if you have plesk, ask their support about upgrading the system beneath it. Thing will likely break |
| 21:21.18 | jelly-home | !plesk |
| 21:21.18 | dpkg | hmm... plesk is Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:21.34 | illmatix | okay |
| 21:22.21 | hellyeah | problem |
| 21:22.23 | hellyeah | problem |
| 21:22.25 | hellyeah | problem |
| 21:22.29 | hellyeah | always problem |
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| 21:23.47 | rocketmagnet | where does debian does mount the harddisks found ? /mnt is empty |
| 21:23.55 | rocketmagnet | i can't remember that name |
| 21:24.04 | hellyeah | under dev |
| 21:24.16 | rocketmagnet | hm ? |
| 21:24.23 | hellyeah | nano /etc/fstab |
| 21:24.38 | rocketmagnet | when i open the "Computer" icon on my desktop i see a few drives |
| 21:24.50 | rocketmagnet | but i always get that i've no permissions |
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| 21:25.56 | rocketmagnet | hellyeah: where to set the permissions ? |
| 21:26.01 | rocketmagnet | in the fstab file |
| 21:26.07 | mentor | rocketmagnet: So, the next step would be getting those permissions? |
| 21:26.24 | rocketmagnet | is it enouth to add 'user' onder options ? |
| 21:27.19 | mentor | You probably need to add your user to the various groups for various things |
| 21:27.45 | rocketmagnet | mentor: how to know which group i've to add my user to ? |
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| 21:29.00 | Kryll | clear |
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| 21:29.21 | hellyeah | problem |
| 21:29.25 | hellyeah | nvidia problem |
| 21:29.36 | hellyeah | i cannot configrue nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 21:30.10 | mentor | rocketmagnet: 'id' will give your current user/group ids |
| 21:30.11 | _theradar | hellyeah: error? |
| 21:30.26 | hellyeah | lots ıf errırü |
| 21:30.34 | rocketmagnet | i see no entry for example for the 'DATA' drive in my fstab file |
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| 21:31.12 | rocketmagnet | it's displayed in the 'Computer' window from my desktop |
| 21:31.24 | rocketmagnet | i don't know about how gnome manages drives |
| 21:32.16 | hellyeah | where is m-a a-i nvidia log file |
| 21:32.27 | hellyeah | i took lots of error |
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| 21:32.44 | hellyeah | there is a log file that is kept by system |
| 21:32.49 | mentor | rocketmagnet: 'getent group' will show the available groups |
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| 21:39.15 | rocketmagnet | mentor: how can i know which group i need to access the drives ? |
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| 21:39.34 | rocketmagnet | do you think is the users group enouth ? or is there an overview of the gnome users ? |
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| 21:41.36 | hellyeah | where is module-assistant log file |
| 21:41.39 | hellyeah | ?????????????????????????? |
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| 21:43.58 | Kryll | clear |
| 21:46.42 | hellyeah | how can fix that error |
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| 21:47.24 | hellyeah | unclean build directory from older version found, please clearn first module-assistant clean nvidia |
| 21:47.32 | rocketmagnet | when i change my /etc/group file, when is my user added to the groups ? |
| 21:48.35 | karlpinc | rocketmagnet: When the user re-logs in |
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| 21:49.08 | karlpinc | rocketmagnet: (Anyone logged in already won't see the change.) |
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| 21:49.40 | rocketmagnet | karlpinc: is it enouth to start a new bash process ? |
| 21:49.49 | rocketmagnet | or do i have to restart ?? |
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| 21:50.04 | jelly-home | rocketmagnet: log off, log back on |
| 21:50.09 | rocketmagnet | ok |
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| 21:50.45 | rocketmagnet | karlpinc: do you know which group i've to belong to to be able to have access to the drives in my 'Computer' window from the desktop icon ? |
| 21:50.50 | karlpinc | rocketmagnet: It needs to be a "login process", as in 'su -l username'. |
| 21:51.01 | rocketmagnet | ah ok |
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| 21:52.49 | karlpinc | rocketmagnet: Depends on the permissions and ownership of everything on the drives. You may want to look at the "user" option in "man mount" and "man fstab". |
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| 21:53.40 | johaBBa | i have three 1 TB disks. which raid standard would give me the most space and redundancy with only 3 drives? |
| 21:53.41 | hellyeah | i cannot find xorg.conf |
| 21:53.56 | hellyeah | there is no file like xorg.conf under /etc/X11 |
| 21:54.22 | hellyeah | where is damn file, |
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| 21:55.26 | karlpinc | johaBBa: Raid5, but rtfm wikipedia. |
| 21:55.35 | hellyeah | there is no file /eX11/xorg.conf |
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| 21:55.53 | hellyeah | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:55.58 | hellyeah | i cannot find that file |
| 21:56.15 | hellyeah | whereis xorg.conf |
| 21:56.15 | hellyeah | xorg: /usr/lib/xorg /usr/include/xorg |
| 21:56.23 | karlpinc | hellyeah: The new X does not need it. |
| 21:56.33 | johaBBa | thanks, karlpinc. i read that wiki page and couldn't decide between raid 5 and linux md raid 10 |
| 21:56.44 | hellyeah | karlpinc, |
| 21:56.57 | hellyeah | how can i enable nvidia |
| 21:57.01 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell hellyeah about xorg config lenny |
| 21:57.04 | hellyeah | before 3 moths ago |
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| 21:57.04 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell hellyeah about xorg config |
| 21:57.10 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 21:57.53 | karlpinc | johaBBa: Raid 10 works best with even numbers of drives (of equal size). |
| 21:57.56 | hellyeah | jehan, |
| 21:58.00 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 21:58.10 | hellyeah | jelly, dpkg--reconfigure X |
| 21:58.11 | johaBBa | karlpinc, with 3 1TB drives in raid 10 do i only get 1 TB of space? |
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| 21:58.12 | hellyeah | ? |
| 21:58.13 | karlpinc | johaBBa: You can do raid5 in md. |
| 21:58.47 | karlpinc | johaBBa: You don't do that. |
| 21:59.05 | hellyeah | i am using debian squeeze |
| 21:59.12 | johaBBa | karlpinc, you can with md raid in linux |
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| 21:59.46 | johaBBa | karlpinc, but i guess raid 5 is best if i want more than 1TB after buying 3 TB |
| 21:59.48 | karlpinc | johaBBa: Raid 10 is raid 1, which is mirroring, which always requires pairs of drives, which are then striped. |
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| 22:00.08 | karlpinc | johaBBa: You can raid 1 2 drives for 1TB total and have one drive left. |
| 22:00.18 | jelly-home | hellyeah: please read what dpkg told you in the private meesages, it shows a way to generate an example xorg.conf file you can put in the correct place and edit to your needs. |
| 22:00.59 | Kryll | does anyone here play rohan or anarchy online with debian |
| 22:01.35 | karlpinc | johaBBa: With 4 drives you raid1 2 drives twice, to get 2 1TB "drives", and then raid0 those for 1 2TB "drive". |
| 22:01.45 | karlpinc | johaBBa: That's raid 10. |
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| 22:02.45 | johaBBa | hrm...if only i hate the money for one more 1 TB drive :\ |
| 22:03.05 | pierre_le | karlpinc, i believe you can also write it raid 1+0 |
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| 22:16.19 | hellyeah | hey |
| 22:16.30 | hellyeah | how can i fix this error |
| 22:16.31 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15336 |
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| 22:18.49 | hellyeah | help |
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| 22:19.50 | medfly | maybe try using another theme? |
| 22:19.51 | timeoh | Segmentation fault is always a fatal error |
| 22:21.15 | timeoh | 2 years ago i wrote some shit with interproces communication with pipes and shared mem. and i always got this fracking error. i hate it |
| 22:21.28 | medfly | ? |
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| 22:22.52 | timeoh | segmentation fault will be send when you try to access an area which is protected |
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| 22:23.16 | timeoh | in the most case when you try to write into the mem |
| 22:23.29 | medfly | are you like having a discussion with yourself :) |
| 22:23.39 | timeoh | not really |
| 22:23.40 | cesurasean | ok, i have found the problem is with my ssl setup. here is my output someone can take a look and help you. - http://pastebin.com/f5bc9ee5d |
| 22:24.26 | cesurasean | me* |
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| 22:24.32 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 22:24.44 | Azrael_- | where can i find backports of bacula for lenny? |
| 22:25.35 | themill | ,versions bacula |
| 22:25.37 | judd | bacula -- etch: 1.38.11-8; etch-backports: 2.4.4-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.4-1; lenny-backports: 3.0.2-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.0.2-3; sid: 3.0.3-2; sid: 3.0.3-3; experimental: 5.0.0-1 |
| 22:25.42 | themill | dpkg: tell Azrael_- about backports.org |
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| 22:26.26 | Azrael_- | k |
| 22:26.32 | timeoh | do you see the messsage: |
| 22:26.47 | timeoh | "does not match server name" |
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| 22:27.58 | timeoh | cesurasean: on line 52 |
| 22:28.36 | timeoh | cesurasean: the cn must exactly match your url |
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| 22:29.25 | stuckey | Hello |
| 22:29.38 | stuckey | I have hplip installed, but it isn't showing up in the Model list on cups, so I can't select it as a driver. |
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| 22:38.40 | Azrael_- | do you know a quite easy way to get/build bacula 5 for lenny? |
| 22:38.56 | Azrael_- | especially if i build it, i'd prefer deb-packages |
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| 22:39.14 | khem_ | can anybody give me advice on how i can map ctrl (25) + 3B to left tag and ctrl (25) + 3C to right tag aswell as ctrl (25) + 33 to pipe with xmodmap? |
| 22:39.14 | iceroot | Azrael_-: then you dont build it if you have a deb |
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| 22:40.06 | Azrael_- | iceroot: i know. i meant: if you know where to get debs, i'd use them. if not i'd like to have tutorial to build bacula to debs and install them |
| 22:40.41 | iceroot | Azrael_-: looked at there website? or at lenny repo? or lenny backport-repo? |
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| 22:42.02 | Azrael_- | iceroot: only source at the webiste, lenny repo way too old, backport also not that up to date as i wanted |
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| 22:57.55 | hellyeah | how can i fix this error |
| 22:58.00 | hellyeah | Window manager warning: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply t |
| 22:58.00 | hellyeah | imeout expired, or the network connection was broken.) |
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| 22:58.55 | rocketmagnet | hi all, do i need a certain repository for apt-get to get thunderbird ? |
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| 23:00.14 | hellyeah | someone help |
| 23:00.21 | hellyeah | i cannot start compiz |
| 23:00.22 | petemc | !thunderbird |
| 23:00.22 | dpkg | it has been said that thunderbird is replaced by icedove in Debian as of Lenny. Ask me about <icedove>. |
| 23:00.34 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, is there any way I can make aptitude dist-upgrade only trusted packages? Now when I dist-upgrade 9 packages are untrusted, I'd like to upgrade the trusted ones, ignoring updates that ar untrusted. Right now aptitude gives me the option to either not upgrade or upgrade with the untrusted packages |
| 23:01.04 | hellyeah | petemc, |
| 23:01.11 | hellyeah | how can i fix that error |
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| 23:04.02 | hellyeah | someone answer me |
| 23:04.10 | hellyeah | i am instaÅÅing debian today |
| 23:04.18 | hellyeah | i regret now |
| 23:04.33 | hellyeah | why dont i install ubuntu ? |
| 23:04.43 | iceroot | hellyeah: can you stop spaming? |
| 23:05.22 | khem_ | can anybody give me advice on how i can map ctrl (25) + 3B to left tag and ctrl (25) + 3C to right tag aswell as ctrl (25) + 33 to pipe with xmodmap? |
| 23:05.34 | rocketmagnet | argh... is there no thunderbird package for debian ? |
| 23:05.40 | hellyeah | i am installing debian i didnt do anything to system any changes etc |
| 23:05.45 | hellyeah | i see lots of error |
| 23:05.47 | petemc | rocketmagnet: its called icedove |
| 23:05.55 | rocketmagnet | ah ok |
| 23:06.09 | rocketmagnet | another thing - how to install python 2.6.4 or 3.1 ? |
| 23:06.53 | Ergo^ | rocketmagnet, tb === icedove |
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| 23:07.21 | hellyeah | i try to run compiz |
| 23:07.27 | hellyeah | i did that error http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15341 |
| 23:07.31 | hellyeah | wtf |
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| 23:09.31 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:09.37 | hellyeah | wtf wtf wtf |
| 23:09.37 | lenswipe | i cant use .deb files with lenny |
| 23:09.53 | hellyeah | what is that damn errors |
| 23:09.59 | hellyeah | no result in google |
| 23:10.02 | lenswipe | anyone got any dieas? |
| 23:10.05 | lenswipe | ideas* |
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| 23:12.29 | lenswipe | can someone tell me why debian deems .deb files to be "not supported" |
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| 23:14.00 | petemc | lenswipe: what are you trying to do with these .debs ? |
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| 23:16.24 | BenBE3 | Is known when kdebase-workspace version 4:4.3.4-4 is being moved from unstable to at least testing? |
| 23:16.38 | simplechat | hey |
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| 23:16.44 | lenswipe | petemc, install them - got it sorted nyway |
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| 23:16.46 | simplechat | is there any way to make sure that one service gets started after another? |
| 23:16.48 | simplechat | in debian? |
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| 23:17.03 | alaktar | Hello, please can someone help me? |
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| 23:17.06 | Stereo | simplechat: yes |
| 23:17.51 | alaktar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 23:17.54 | Stereo | simplechat: in /etc/rc*.d things are started alphabetically |
| 23:17.58 | alaktar | I want to install debian... |
| 23:18.02 | Stereo | simplechat: see /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:18.05 | alaktar | What dvd I need to download from here? |
| 23:18.09 | Stereo | alaktar: try the netinst iso |
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| 23:18.27 | alaktar | Could you please point me to the netinst iso? |
| 23:18.35 | BenBE3 | Stereo What about dependency-based startup? |
| 23:19.02 | Stereo | alaktar: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 23:19.20 | simplechat | Stereo, so i need to hack the rc scripts? |
| 23:19.24 | alaktar | So I write this on a dvd and then when I will connect to the internet will download the rest? |
| 23:19.27 | simplechat | or just change the numbering? |
| 23:19.30 | Stereo | BenBE3: i.e. service a should start after service b, if and only if service b started properly ? |
| 23:19.30 | HardDisk_WP | Hey |
| 23:19.32 | HardDisk_WP | how is the CLI interface of the debian installer called? |
| 23:19.36 | alaktar | Excuse me but I don't know. |
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| 23:19.46 | Stereo | alaktar: a cd is enough |
| 23:19.57 | Stereo | alaktar: or a usb key, if your computer is modern enough |
| 23:19.58 | nsadmin | there should be a shell on alt-F2 |
| 23:20.08 | Stereo | simplechat: just the numbering, using update-rc.d |
| 23:20.21 | alaktar | Well Stereo I only have a empty dvd but it's ok i will use it. |
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| 23:20.33 | alaktar | Also, will debian work properly on my DELL inspiron 1545 laptop? |
| 23:20.46 | Stereo | no idea :) |
| 23:20.47 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 23:21.23 | nsadmin | "properly", there's a lot to debian... |
| 23:21.33 | BenBE3 | Stereo That's one story. Or if you need e.g. bind to start after MySQL since you recompiled Bind9 with MySQL-DLZ support ... |
| 23:21.43 | alaktar | As in can I use my wireless card..sound and graphic card? |
| 23:21.45 | alaktar | :( |
| 23:21.48 | Stereo | 2.1GHz Intel Pentium Dual Core T4300 Processor |
| 23:21.48 | alaktar | I have an ati... |
| 23:21.52 | Stereo | that's what amazon says |
| 23:21.59 | alaktar | Yes |
| 23:22.03 | Stereo | so you don't want the i386 iso, you want the amd64 one |
| 23:22.05 | alaktar | That's it... |
| 23:22.16 | alaktar | I'm using intel |
| 23:22.19 | Stereo | which is most probably http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/bt-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 23:22.21 | alaktar | Why amd 64? |
| 23:22.24 | Stereo | yes, the naming is confusing |
| 23:22.41 | Stereo | it's the 64 bit architecture amd came up with. Intel's using it too now. |
| 23:22.45 | nsadmin | well you can actually use either |
| 23:22.47 | jelly-home | !why amd64 |
| 23:22.47 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 23:23.11 | alaktar | So will be best to use the 2nd link? |
| 23:23.34 | Stereo | best to use the second one, yeah |
| 23:23.35 | alaktar | By the way thanks for helping me guys! |
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| 23:23.41 | alaktar | Thanks so much! |
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| 23:23.44 | Stereo | pleasure :) |
| 23:23.49 | alaktar | And excuse me if I ask a lot of questions. |
| 23:23.53 | Stereo | hope you have fun with debian |
| 23:24.03 | Stereo | well, that's why people tend to come here, so you're ok |
| 23:24.05 | alaktar | I'm new to linux...don't want to have this crappy(excuse me) windows anymore. |
| 23:24.18 | alaktar | The requested URL /debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/bt-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso.torrent was not found on this server. |
| 23:24.23 | Stereo | ah crap |
| 23:24.28 | alaktar | 2nd link won't work. |
| 23:24.28 | Stereo | sorry |
| 23:24.34 | alaktar | Ohh don't worry |
| 23:24.38 | BenBE3 | Stereo You have an idea on how to specifically add a dependency, when (on Squeeze) having the dependency-based boot mechanism in place? |
| 23:24.55 | nsadmin | new to linux? first off, hope you enjoy linux... you have a fair learning curve ahead |
| 23:25.05 | alaktar | Thank you so much. |
| 23:25.05 | Stereo | get this one... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/bt-cd/debian-504-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 23:25.17 | nsadmin | just give yourself time |
| 23:25.18 | Stereo | BenBE3: nope, haven't played with it yet |
| 23:25.18 | alaktar | Well I know some commands in linux...I used ubuntu a little bit. |
| 23:25.34 | alaktar | But you can say I'm new...don't know so much about it.. |
| 23:25.49 | Stereo | oh, you'll be fine then. Ubuntu and debian are homies. |
| 23:25.52 | nsadmin | what's your goal? |
| 23:26.13 | alaktar | My goal? |
| 23:26.35 | Stereo | if it's getting laid, you made a bad choice by going for debian :) |
| 23:26.36 | HardDisk_WP | how is the CLI interface of the debian installer called? |
| 23:26.36 | nsadmin | yeah, for example what do you want to do with your laptop |
| 23:26.39 | HardDisk_WP | ncurses? |
| 23:26.45 | alaktar | I know it's based on Deb..but a lot of people say it's bloatware linux.. |
| 23:26.56 | Stereo | HardDisk_WP: yeah, it's based on ncurses I think |
| 23:27.00 | HardDisk_WP | kk tx |
| 23:27.01 | alaktar | Well programming.. |
| 23:27.05 | helo | it's not bloatware for a desktop system, unless you are a resource nazi |
| 23:27.14 | BenBE3 | Stereo I only noticed it starts SSH near the end, which CAN get annoying on a server system. |
| 23:27.15 | nsadmin | debian is pretty bloated too, but you can install what you want |
| 23:27.27 | alaktar | I love programming and I my goal in life is to help and contribute to open source. |
| 23:27.34 | helo | yay :D |
| 23:27.38 | alaktar | Sounds funny..but yes .. |
| 23:27.42 | alaktar | That's my dream:( |
| 23:27.44 | nsadmin | oh... what languages do you know |
| 23:27.47 | Stereo | BenBE3: ah, I know how that feels :) |
| 23:28.12 | alaktar | Well I'm not an expert..just a code monkey. |
| 23:28.20 | BenBE3 | nsadmin Well, It would suffice to have "install recommended packages" be off by default and only mark REALLY necessary packages as manual installs and have everything else be handled as automated installs by apt. |
| 23:28.28 | alaktar | Python and c...but still have to learn a lot. |
| 23:28.43 | BenBE3 | Changing these too settings on a clean system frees up about 600 MB ... |
| 23:28.48 | helo | you can get pretty far with python and c/c++... |
| 23:28.53 | nsadmin | you should learn make and gdb |
| 23:28.57 | helo | learn bash too... |
| 23:29.01 | BenBE3 | (Though you SHOULD know what your are doing when changing them) |
| 23:29.05 | alaktar | Yes if you want to..you can do everything. |
| 23:29.20 | alaktar | Yes thanks helo.... |
| 23:29.27 | alaktar | :( I really need to learn bash.. |
| 23:29.33 | BenBE3 | Stereo That's why I'm asking about the dep-based boot process and how to change it ... |
| 23:29.36 | helo | hang out in #bash |
| 23:29.47 | alaktar | I hope people will not kill me there.. |
| 23:29.49 | helo | they are gods of bash... and have some nice guides/FAQs, etc |
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| 23:30.10 | helo | just read their links thoroughly... know that they will try to kill you regardless heh |
| 23:30.24 | alaktar | Well I'm not shure about a thing...why people call some linux distros bloat. |
| 23:30.30 | alaktar | Because they have a lot of drivers? |
| 23:30.33 | alaktar | And stuff? |
| 23:30.51 | nsadmin | there's at least 20k packages in debian by this time |
| 23:30.57 | BenBE3 | Well, I'd love if the BIND guys could package Bind with MySQL-DLZ support OR fix Multithreading-Support for that driver. First preferred. |
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| 23:31.11 | lenswipe | can someone help me? |
| 23:31.16 | lenswipe | all my desktop icons have vanished |
| 23:31.26 | tudon | maybe you have it disabled |
| 23:31.27 | helo | people usually consider distros with large default installs as 'bloated' |
| 23:31.38 | alaktar | I see... |
| 23:31.47 | helo | good luck alaktar, i'm out |
| 23:31.50 | alaktar | Would you recommend debian for a person like me? |
| 23:31.50 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 23:31.55 | alaktar | Bye helo, take ccare. |
| 23:32.26 | tudon | lenswipe check desktop settings or something |
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| 23:33.57 | nsadmin | alaktar: it depends... if you like the packaging system and how it takes care of you, then yes... if you like building your own everything (and don't want constraints enforced by packaging), then not so much |
| 23:33.58 | lenswipe | tudon, no i mean my desktop icons have just vanished |
| 23:33.59 | lenswipe | right now |
| 23:34.01 | Stereo | BenBE3: if you like cleaning systems, do you use aptitude's markauto ? |
| 23:34.04 | lenswipe | i havent changed anything |
| 23:34.33 | BenBE3 | Stereo: A lot. |
| 23:34.34 | alaktar | nsadmin: Well I'm not shure what I like... |
| 23:34.40 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 23:34.43 | nsadmin | lenswipe what application puts the icons on your desktop? |
| 23:34.48 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i dont know |
| 23:34.50 | Stereo | BenBE3: I live by aptitude search '!~M~i' |
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| 23:34.54 | nsadmin | find out |
| 23:34.54 | lenswipe | nsadmin, why |
| 23:35.01 | lenswipe | nsadmin, i dont actually understand the question |
| 23:35.07 | Stereo | or aptitude markauto |
| 23:35.07 | tudon | many desktops have an option to turn of visibility of those icons . check and see if they have a file in the directory still |
| 23:35.08 | lenswipe | nothing puts icons on my desktop |
| 23:35.09 | alaktar | nsadmin: I used ubuntu before but...hmmm ubuntu is runned by canonical..and I really don't like what they are doing to linux |
| 23:35.09 | Stereo | '~i!~M!~nbuild-essential(~E|~prequired|~sdevel|~sinterpreters|~slibdevel|~slibs|~soldlibs|~sperl|~spython|~sshells)' |
| 23:35.09 | lenswipe | except me |
| 23:35.15 | Kazuha | Whee. Talking someone through a Debian install 3k miles away. |
| 23:35.22 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 23:35.27 | alaktar | Hi tomy |
| 23:35.27 | Stereo | oh, that didn't wrap properly. Well, you get the drift. |
| 23:35.30 | nsadmin | alaktar example? |
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| 23:35.32 | lenswipe | nsadmin, do you mean what window manager am i using? |
| 23:35.42 | lenswipe | nvm theyre back |
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| 23:35.51 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Your desktop is not a physical thing, it is an application or part of an application. |
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| 23:36.08 | alaktar | nsadmin: Well I see ubuntu not as a linux distro..but as a bussines.... |
| 23:36.18 | TomyLobo | since replacing the "hotkey-setup" package with "tpb", i can no longer use my thinkpad's special keys. what's wrong? debian squeeze here |
| 23:36.20 | alaktar | nsadmin: Canonical-all about the money here.. |
| 23:36.23 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: It is a composite of several static and dynamic components. |
| 23:36.47 | Stereo | BenBE: I also install debconf-english instead of debconf-i18n but that's just me squeezing the last drops out of a cleaned up install |
| 23:36.48 | alaktar | nsadmin: Maybe I'm wrong.. |
| 23:36.54 | nsadmin | lenswipe is gone :) |
| 23:36.58 | Stereo | right, back to packing |
| 23:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. My auto complete works with the last nic used even if the nic is no longer active. |
| 23:37.34 | alaktar | Stereo: I've downloaded the 2nd file, so i'll make it a boot dvd right? |
| 23:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | Guess I need to get out of that habit. |
| 23:37.45 | TomyLobo | "special hotkeys" meaning volume control and such |
| 23:37.47 | alaktar | Stereo: It's not a windows instalation or something like wubi right? |
| 23:38.07 | Kazuha | Okay... Here's something odd/annoying. |
| 23:38.40 | Kazuha | The 3k miles away system I mentioned, doesn't have a working cdrom/dvdrom drive, so he's trying to install it from a disc image. |
| 23:38.52 | Stereo | alaktar: I don't know what wubi is, but the debian netinst is mostly text-based. Nothing too fancy. |
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| 23:39.21 | alaktar | Stereo: Wubi is a ubuntu installer for windows. |
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| 23:39.47 | alaktar | Stereo: Ok but I don't start it from windows right? I boot with the cd or dvd...right? |
| 23:40.00 | Kazuha | How would he go about mounting the disc image as if it were the cdrom drive? |
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| 23:40.20 | nsadmin | alaktar the netinst image written to your media? yeah |
| 23:40.22 | alaktar | nsadmin: And if let's say I don't want constraints enforced by packaging what would you recommend? |
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| 23:40.45 | lenswipe | i just got a warning saying the space on the /root partition is 100% used - is that an issue? |
| 23:40.52 | Kazuha | Yes. |
| 23:40.55 | lenswipe | ... |
| 23:41.05 | lenswipe | it happened during an install |
| 23:41.06 | nsadmin | you asked :P |
| 23:41.18 | lenswipe | is /root just a temp dump for stuff when installs are going on> |
| 23:41.23 | nsadmin | then your / is too small |
| 23:41.28 | lenswipe | shit. |
| 23:41.31 | alaktar | :)) |
| 23:41.33 | Kazuha | Get a bigger /. |
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| 23:41.47 | lenswipe | i cant fit a bigger / into this machine without a reinstall |
| 23:41.50 | nsadmin | no /root is by default root's home dir |
| 23:41.53 | lenswipe | it doesnt support >1 HDD |
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| 23:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | alaktar: What do you mean "constraints enforced by packaging"? |
| 23:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: How big is the drive, and how have you partitioned it? |
| 23:42.23 | alaktar | jhutchins_lt: Well nsadmin was saying that... |
| 23:42.24 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: dependency system |
| 23:42.40 | lenswipe | jhutchins, its not very big - try like 40GB or so |
| 23:42.52 | alaktar | I'm just trying to find the best distro for my things.. |
| 23:42.53 | lenswipe | i think its 40 GB |
| 23:42.56 | lenswipe | how do i find out |
| 23:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: That's plenty of room for a linux system. |
| 23:43.17 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I did ask about the partitioning. |
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| 23:43.25 | lenswipe | yeah im just opening gparted |
| 23:43.29 | jhutchins_lt | Linux only needs 4-5G for a nice install. |
| 23:43.45 | lenswipe | well the smallest it will be will be 20GB |
| 23:43.48 | lenswipe | at a minimum |
| 23:44.04 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Did you create seperate partitions besides / and swap? |
| 23:44.09 | lenswipe | yes |
| 23:44.13 | lenswipe | i think i did one for /home |
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| 23:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | There ya go then, you have an empirical demonstration of why I think that's a bad idea. |
| 23:45.03 | khem_ | can anybody give me advice on how i can map ctrl (25) + 3B to left tag and ctrl (25) + 3C to right tag aswell as ctrl (25) + 33 to pipe with xmodmap? |
| 23:45.15 | lenswipe | jhutchins, hmm something strange is going on here |
| 23:45.15 | Kazuha | I've got an installer that needs to mount the CD, but can't find the disc. (Because its a disc image.) |
| 23:45.31 | SparFux | Hi! When using openvpn I get the vpn name as $IFACE parameter in if-up.d/ script, but not the device. how to determine the underlying device in if-up.d/ scripts? |
| 23:45.37 | dondelelcaro | Kazuha: symlink it |
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| 23:45.45 | TomyLobo | i can no longer use my thinkpad's volume control keys. I think it was when i replaced the "hotkey-setup" package with the "tpb" package. what's wrong? debian squeeze here |
| 23:45.55 | aaron | hey is there any way i can install debian with a flopy? |
| 23:45.55 | Kazuha | I meant a *Debian* installer. |
| 23:46.03 | nsadmin | lenswipe: how much did you reserve for /? |
| 23:46.08 | dondelelcaro | khem_: figure out what keys they are currently, using xev, and then remap them using xmodmap |
| 23:46.16 | TomyLobo | aaron how many floppies are you willing to spend? :) |
| 23:46.25 | dondelelcaro | Kazuha: and? if you haven't put the cdrom image in the right position, symlink it into the right position |
| 23:46.36 | lenswipe | nsadmin, well gimme a sec ill send a printscreen |
| 23:46.51 | dondelelcaro | aaron: yes, but it's not recommended |
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| 23:46.55 | lenswipe | i mean in all honesty most of the stuff done on here is stuff on other servers |
| 23:46.56 | aaron | oh okey |
| 23:47.01 | lenswipe | like i dont have any files on here at all |
| 23:47.06 | lenswipe | so idk where that disk space is going |
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| 23:47.10 | alaktar | Well open people, I salute you, I'm off to install the mighty Debian! |
| 23:47.11 | lenswipe | theres only me on here aswell |
| 23:47.12 | alaktar | :) |
| 23:47.17 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. A simple two-digit number does not justify a printscreen. |
| 23:47.21 | alaktar | I wish you all the best...and thanks again! |
| 23:47.31 | nsadmin | lenswipe: probably /var is filling with packages |
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| 23:47.45 | khem_ | dondelelcaro: i dont know how to use xmodmap :( |
| 23:47.45 | lenswipe | jhutchins, it does - theres some other stuff i wana show you too |
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| 23:47.56 | dondelelcaro | khem_: then the manpage is your friend |
| 23:48.22 | aaron | dondelelcaro, can i pass from ubuntu to debian without any cds? |
| 23:48.26 | aaron | my cdrom is fucked up |
| 23:48.33 | dondelelcaro | aaron: yes, but not easily |
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| 23:49.01 | aaron | is there any tutorials? |
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| 23:49.10 | aaron | on how to update? |
| 23:49.11 | neoice | anyone running Testing/Unstable with vnc4server providing gdm? |
| 23:49.34 | dondelelcaro | khem_: its pretty easy; see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession for an example |
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| 23:49.58 | dondelelcaro | aaron: the tutorial is the install guide which has a section on installing Debian from an existing linux installation |
| 23:50.14 | aaron | ??? |
| 23:50.17 | dondelelcaro | !ig |
| 23:50.17 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 23:50.24 | dondelelcaro | aaron: see above |
| 23:51.12 | aaron | i did |
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| 23:52.28 | aaroninfidel_ | hi, everytime I try to do a sudo apt-get update I get this error: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/e/expat/libexpat1_2.0.1-4+lenny2_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 23:52.35 | aaroninfidel_ | how can I fix this? |
| 23:52.55 | tudon | change repo |
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| 23:53.03 | aaron | aaroninfidel_, do this wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/e/expat/libexpat1_2.0.1-4+lenny2_i386.deb |
| 23:53.07 | aaron | and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 23:53.16 | aaroninfidel | how do I do that? |
| 23:53.21 | aaron | i just told you.. |
| 23:53.29 | aaroninfidel | sorry, I left chat. |
| 23:53.33 | aaron | aaroninfidel_, do this wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/e/expat/libexpat1_2.0.1-4+lenny2_i386.deb |
| 23:53.35 | aaron | and install it with dpkg -i |
| 23:53.52 | aaroninfidel | thats how you change repo? |
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| 23:54.11 | aaroninfidel | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 23:54.12 | aaroninfidel | 2010-02-09 14:25:12 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 23:54.18 | stuckey | Does mplayer have to be configured to use vdpau? |
| 23:54.34 | aaroninfidel | fml.. |
| 23:54.48 | aaron | aaron, then update you're source list |
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| 23:55.14 | ajcc | which package do I need to get asm/io.h? I've installed kernel-source, kernel-headers |
| 23:55.50 | dondelelcaro | aaroninfidel: have you run apt-get update; recently? |
| 23:55.55 | aaroninfidel | aaron: how do I do that? |
| 23:56.18 | aaroninfidel | dondelelcaro: yes, but everytime I do this it gives me this error. |
| 23:56.18 | dondelelcaro | aaroninfidel: because we've released lenny3, and we don't distribute lenny2 any longer |
| 23:56.29 | dondelelcaro | aaroninfidel: it won't give you that error if you're running apt-get update |
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| 23:57.08 | aaroninfidel | dondelelcaro: I'll check. |
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| 23:58.00 | dondelelcaro | aaron: uh... that isn't oging to work, obviously |
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| 23:58.40 | dondelelcaro | aaron: the part of the install guide which you need to read is http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch02s04.html.en, §2.4.2 or §2.4.5 |
| 23:58.52 | dondelelcaro | aaron: it explains how to do what you want to do |
| 23:59.03 | aaron | cool |