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| 00:03.15 | aaroninfidel | anyone here know of a good service for video streaming? I've tried to use darwin but from what I can find online it seems obsolete. |
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| 00:11.50 | aaroninfidel | what do I need to get this error fixed? libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 00:13.34 | marcos_ | hey, I just followed the guide here: |
| 00:13.35 | marcos_ | http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=68 and now when I boot into OO 3.1.1, it alerted me that my JRE is obsolete or non-existent, however, it appears to work fine. Is this something I should be worried about? |
| 00:14.07 | TomyLobo | aaroninfidel try looking for a package with that name |
| 00:14.25 | aaroninfidel | and I have, but its not included in the package. |
| 00:14.27 | aaroninfidel | :/ |
| 00:14.48 | TomyLobo | run "sudo aptitude", then press / and enter the name |
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| 00:17.15 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: I did that, and now it says this aptitude does not have super cow powers. |
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| 00:17.54 | TomyLobo | disregard those super cow powers |
| 00:18.04 | Vasistha | I am moving my /var partition ... how do I copy the socket files? |
| 00:18.15 | TomyLobo | just run "sudo aptitude" with no arguments |
| 00:18.21 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: ok |
| 00:18.36 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: now what? |
| 00:18.46 | TomyLobo | <TomyLobo> run "sudo aptitude", then press / and enter the name |
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| 00:19.20 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:19.32 | nsadmin | Vasistha: do it in maintainance mode |
| 00:19.57 | nsadmin | then you don't need to copy sockets, they just get re-established |
| 00:20.38 | Vasistha | nsadmin: I did do the copy in runlevel 1 ... so when I mount the new /var and then go back to init 2 then they will be automagically recreated? |
| 00:21.04 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: found the package, but the package doesn't have the correct file because the server is asking for a older version. |
| 00:21.16 | TomyLobo | what serverà |
| 00:21.17 | TomyLobo | ? |
| 00:21.31 | nsadmin | but I would do it this way: (cd /var && tar cfpl - .) | (cd newvarmount && tar xfp -) |
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| 00:22.14 | marcos_ | any Openoffice experts here? |
| 00:22.17 | Vasistha | nsadmin: ah, I did not use the pl options :( |
| 00:22.30 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: Darwin Streaming Server |
| 00:22.45 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: I am trying to stream videos, but I am having no luck in getting it to run. |
| 00:23.03 | Vasistha | nsadmin: but in any case, I can probably use that method to just recopy /var/run |
| 00:23.04 | TomyLobo | aaroninfidel not a debian package i assume? |
| 00:23.15 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: nope, its made my Apple. |
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| 00:23.21 | TomyLobo | refer to that thing's installation manual then. it might tell you what to do |
| 00:23.43 | TomyLobo | wait, apple? |
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| 00:23.53 | TomyLobo | they made an OS AND a streaming server with the same name? |
| 00:24.07 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: Darwin, yes. |
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| 00:24.23 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: Darwin Streaming Server is apple's streaming video service. |
| 00:24.43 | Smerdyakov | I have an accept() call returning failure and setting errno to 512, which perror() doesn't have a name for. Can anyone help me figure out what's going on? |
| 00:24.53 | aaroninfidel | TomyLobo: its a bit old, but there are docs on getting it to work, and I don't know of anything else that would stream videos on linux. |
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| 00:26.12 | SparFux | the $IFACE seems to be all wrong for openvpn devices. it should be tun0 or the like, but it is the name of the openvpn. |
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| 00:31.25 | Smerdyakov | How can I figure out which driver is handling a particular network interface? |
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| 00:33.38 | Vamp898 | is there a way to install a package as dependency with apt (so not explicit) |
| 00:34.14 | TomyLobo | shift-M to mark it as "automatically installed" |
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| 00:35.08 | Vamp898 | TomyLobo will it be removed at cleanup (apt-get autoremove) then? |
| 00:35.39 | TomyLobo | if nothing depends on it or recommends it |
| 00:35.43 | TomyLobo | it should be |
| 00:35.58 | TomyLobo | (the recommend part of that is configurable) |
| 00:36.10 | Vamp898 | And what is shift-M ? |
| 00:36.28 | TomyLobo | Vamp898 run aptitude without arguments |
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| 00:36.46 | HardDisk_WP | hey, I got a problem |
| 00:36.58 | Vamp898 | TomyLobo is there a way with apt-get? |
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| 00:37.03 | HardDisk_WP | I want to run gpg --gen-key |
| 00:37.09 | HardDisk_WP | but system doesnt have enough entropy |
| 00:37.13 | HardDisk_WP | I cant move a mouse |
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| 00:39.13 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15343 |
| 00:39.24 | hellyeah | how can i fix these errors any ideas |
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| 00:43.06 | Kryll | can anyone recommend a graphical network monitoring tool |
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| 00:43.42 | DipSwitch | Kryll: Wireshark? |
| 00:44.05 | Kryll | ok will try that |
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| 00:48.50 | ajcc | ugh... why on earth is tldp.org still on the Internet? I'm now Unix-clone/flavour confused... nothing makes me more sad than figuring out a document is mortally odsolete :'( |
| 00:49.10 | oggei | you can always ignore it, eh, or contribute newer stuff |
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| 00:49.50 | oggei | nite |
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| 00:49.57 | ajcc | oggei: it's probably the best thing to do, but it's always the first hit on google :/ nite |
| 00:50.01 | darryl_sockwell | so my buddy wants to browse a windows workgroup from his debian machine |
| 00:50.02 | darryl_sockwell | find out all the machine names and browse them from a gui |
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| 00:51.46 | Kryll | Thanks DipSwitch |
| 00:51.59 | DipSwitch | darryl_sockwell: Nautilus has that functionality or you or you can take a look at: https://launchpad.net/pyneighborhood |
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| 00:52.21 | darryl_sockwell | thanks dipswitch |
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| 00:55.49 | hellyeah | i want to have the best xorg.conf in nvidia |
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| 00:55.54 | hellyeah | for nvidia |
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| 00:56.18 | DipSwitch | there is no such ting hellyeah :p |
| 00:56.25 | hellyeah | .D |
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| 00:56.52 | hellyeah | default xorg is enough for best in compiz |
| 00:56.55 | hellyeah | ? |
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| 00:58.19 | DipSwitch | xorg.conf is pure the config for the xorg server |
| 00:58.20 | DipSwitch | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:58.46 | DipSwitch | you need the non default nvidia driver to be loaded in your kernel |
| 00:58.52 | DipSwitch | and... |
| 00:59.43 | DipSwitch | compiz you can manage with: compizconfig-settings-manager |
| 00:59.52 | DipSwitch | or in the config file |
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| 01:00.13 | DipSwitch | @ hellyeah, read text above |
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| 01:13.17 | slik | hey guyz! has anybody awesome windows manager installed? |
| 01:13.32 | DipSwitch | fluxbox :p |
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| 01:13.41 | Tux^verdreifelt | xfce ^^ |
| 01:13.48 | DipSwitch | openbox! |
| 01:13.54 | Tux^verdreifelt | pah. |
| 01:13.56 | Tux^verdreifelt | mwm ;) |
| 01:13.57 | DipSwitch | :p |
| 01:14.11 | slik | i m newb to linux and know almost nothing |
| 01:14.31 | slik | but i decided to give it a try |
| 01:14.33 | DipSwitch | learn to work in the terminal first :D |
| 01:14.51 | slik | that's somethin i learned :D |
| 01:15.07 | DipSwitch | you should probably try ubuntu |
| 01:15.21 | Tux^verdreifelt | ubuntu is failware. |
| 01:15.25 | slik | i've already tried ubuntu |
| 01:15.33 | Tux^verdreifelt | debian > ubuntu bs |
| 01:15.40 | DipSwitch | ^ qft |
| 01:15.40 | slik | well i suppose i should say i m newb to debian |
| 01:15.42 | ravenbird | DipSwitch: EPARSE: dunno WTH you're talking about |
| 01:15.42 | CaT[t3] | is trying to hand-create a tiny initrd (in part to work out how to make one go himself rather than do anything fancy). hassle is it keeps dying with 'attempted to kill init' after not being able to open the initial console. hassle is I have a /dev/console in the cpio. anyone able to help what else may be wrong? |
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| 01:16.02 | Absolute0 | will this wireless card work out of the box? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156054 |
| 01:16.05 | Kazuha | Okay... |
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| 01:16.22 | Kazuha | Trying to install debian from a disc image without a cdrom drive. |
| 01:16.40 | Kazuha | And for some reason, its ignoring the loop device mount attempt. |
| 01:16.42 | Absolute0 | looks solid enough... |
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| 01:17.57 | slik | well does anybody know how to edit ~/.config/autostart/awesome.desktop ? |
| 01:18.50 | DipSwitch | slik: it's a text file |
| 01:18.56 | hayleyw | Absolute0, it'll work, but you wont get n speeds |
| 01:19.03 | slik | when i try to open it in gedit |
| 01:19.05 | slik | or nano |
| 01:19.07 | DipSwitch | slik: you can use nano or gedit or whatever you use |
| 01:19.15 | slik | it doesnt even exist |
| 01:19.15 | slik | ! |
| 01:19.31 | Absolute0 | hayleyw: I don't have an N router :) can you suggest a better card? |
| 01:19.56 | hayleyw | Absolute0, it's perfectly fine for g. go for it |
| 01:20.09 | Absolute0 | a bit pricy with a non-functioning N |
| 01:20.09 | Kazuha | Silly question, but is there a handy command to generate loop device(s)? |
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| 01:20.57 | DipSwitch | Kazuha: Do you meen an iso loop device of the net loop device? |
| 01:21.19 | jdeka | slik: Is there an awesome.desktop at /usr/share/xsessions/awesome.desktop |
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| 01:21.35 | Kazuha | Basically, a loop device to mount the netinst ISO using -- (the iso itself is on a usb stick.) |
| 01:21.38 | jdeka | Not sure if that's what you need. Just seeing it in the file list for the awesome package. |
| 01:22.11 | Absolute0 | hayleyw: how were you able to figure out if it works out of the box, newegg doesn't list the chipsets with wireless adapters. |
| 01:22.42 | DipSwitch | Kazuha: mkdir /mnt/iso && mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/iso |
| 01:22.44 | DipSwitch | ? |
| 01:22.56 | hayleyw | Absolute0, you google :P i happen to know that card (RT2800) |
| 01:23.20 | Absolute0 | hayleyw: I googled, not many results |
| 01:23.44 | Absolute0 | er, not many relevant results. |
| 01:23.53 | hayleyw | then be glad i knew it :P |
| 01:24.02 | Absolute0 | thanks. |
| 01:24.11 | DipSwitch | lol |
| 01:24.11 | Absolute0 | hayleyw: is it worth $40? :) |
| 01:24.29 | DipSwitch | for wifi N hell yeah |
| 01:24.38 | DipSwitch | and RT2800 is nice chipset to ^^ |
| 01:24.51 | Absolute0 | well as hayleyw said its not full N speed. |
| 01:25.22 | Absolute0 | well good enough for me. |
| 01:25.31 | Absolute0 | nobody will have N speeds anytime soon |
| 01:25.38 | Absolute0 | at least at affordable rates |
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| 01:27.25 | Absolute0 | can someone suggest a nice cheap monitor thats easy on the eyes? |
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| 01:29.05 | DipSwitch | no idea Absolute0 sorry |
| 01:29.08 | CaT[t3] | i loathe cpio |
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| 01:30.06 | DipSwitch | good night all |
| 01:30.06 | Kazuha | One thing I've wondered, but never tested -- burning a CD image onto a DVD. |
| 01:30.15 | CaT[t3] | it works |
| 01:30.16 | hayleyw | Kazuha, works fine |
| 01:30.22 | DipSwitch | works Kazuha |
| 01:30.24 | Absolute0 | Kazuha: works just fine |
| 01:30.38 | DipSwitch | only a wast of space :p |
| 01:30.41 | DipSwitch | waste |
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| 01:31.22 | Kazuha | Well, if one has no blank CDRs.... |
| 01:31.31 | Absolute0 | they |
| 01:31.38 | Absolute0 | they're basically the same price nowadays |
| 01:31.52 | Kazuha | I thought DVDs were still more expensive. |
| 01:31.53 | stuckey | how large is a live version of debian --- like one that you would put on a usb stick? |
| 01:31.57 | Kazuha | But not be a lot. |
| 01:32.09 | Kazuha | Its just the netinst image. |
| 01:32.21 | \amethyst | stuckey: you can fit a decent live CD with a full development environment, including Eclipse, onto a regular CD |
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| 01:32.42 | Kazuha | And my friend is a total Linux newbie. |
| 01:32.52 | stuckey | I'm wondering what people do with these 32gb flash drivers... |
| 01:33.13 | \amethyst | stuckey: full human genome and all the tools to analyze it |
| 01:33.14 | DipSwitch | you really wanna know stuckey ? ;) |
| 01:33.20 | \amethyst | stuckey: :) |
| 01:33.20 | Kazuha | And, while I *tried* talking him through getting the image to work without a cd, it refused to work. |
| 01:33.46 | stuckey | You're right, I don't need to know. |
| 01:33.58 | DipSwitch | ^^ |
| 01:33.59 | ravenbird | DipSwitch: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:34.09 | DipSwitch | what is what ravenbird ? |
| 01:34.12 | stuckey | If 4gb is enough for a live version of debian, then I don't need anything more than a 4gb drive. |
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| 01:35.11 | \amethyst | DipSwitch: ^ is the command character for ravenbird |
| 01:35.37 | DipSwitch | owww lol ^^ |
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| 01:35.47 | DipSwitch | makes sense didn't see the connection =) |
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| 01:38.10 | Kazuha | I'm not sure what's worse.... |
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| 01:38.38 | Kazuha | Trying to *do* a Linux install on an odd system, or trying to talk someone *though* one. |
| 01:39.27 | DipSwitch | trying to talk someone though one :p |
| 01:39.29 | DipSwitch | i guess |
| 01:40.30 | Kazuha | Especially when said someone has used MSOS... for 12 years or so. |
| 01:41.23 | DipSwitch | easiest would be to let him burn a CD so it would boot up normal and he doesn't need to screw around with a usb stick ^^ |
| 01:41.43 | TomyLobo | i can no longer use my thinkpad's volume control keys. I think it was when i replaced the "hotkey-setup" package with the "tpb" package. what's wrong? debian squeeze here |
| 01:41.49 | Kazuha | That *would* be easiest. |
| 01:41.58 | Kazuha | Problem is he has no CDRs. |
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| 01:42.20 | Kazuha | (And his laptop's only burning program refuses to burn a CD iso to a DVD. |
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| 01:43.16 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 01:44.18 | Joe7 | Anyone have any idea what can cause an Ext3 Fs to spend ages (1min+) when entering a directory? Does not happen in each and every dirs, but happens with some. There seem to be no HW error or the like, is doing massive reads according to nmon, although the dir only has 10subdirs in it directly. |
| 01:44.34 | Joe7 | Having a distructure with 20M underlying files but they are separated in 100k folders all together..browsing at the topmost level is sloow. 100k folders are stored in a ~balanced tree, each dirs having 10subdirs..total levels is 6 from root to bottom where there are only leaves (files) |
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| 01:47.13 | DipSwitch | Joe7: Setting up noatime in fstab an option? |
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| 01:47.25 | DipSwitch | don't know whether that solves the problem or not though |
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| 01:50.10 | twb | udev's persistent network naming code can use arbitrary names, right? |
| 01:50.35 | twb | Is there any reason I can't (ab)use it to assign meaningful names, e.g. "dmz" instead of "eth2"? |
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| 01:54.40 | cVsup | I can create two devices eth1 eth2 in same NIC? |
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| 02:00.01 | DipSwitch | cVsup: yeah it's possible, but forgot how though :p sec |
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| 02:03.00 | DipSwitch | cVsup: search on google for: ip link add link type macvlan |
| 02:03.35 | DipSwitch | won't work with the default lenny kernel though, so you would need to compile your own |
| 02:04.02 | Amarande | and when doing so, don't do things like what I did |
| 02:04.09 | Amarande | "kernel panic: unable to mount root filesystem" DOH |
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| 02:04.50 | Kazuha | Okay... anyone know how to coax a CD image onto a DVD under MSOS? |
| 02:04.53 | Amarande | yes, I compiled ext3 as a module *headdesk* |
| 02:04.59 | Kazuha | (Debian install image.) |
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| 02:05.15 | Amarande | Kazuha: any good ISO burning program should be OK with that |
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| 02:05.22 | Amarande | I know DeepBurner's fine with it and has a free version |
| 02:05.37 | DipSwitch | Kazuha: doesn't Free ISO Burner work? |
| 02:06.03 | Kazuha | Whatever's on the laptop refused to burn the CD image to a DVD. |
| 02:06.27 | DipSwitch | Free ISO burner doesn't bother |
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| 02:06.39 | DipSwitch | it's free but not open source though :p |
| 02:07.05 | Amarande | Kazuha: that's odd |
| 02:07.08 | Amarande | an isofs is an isofs |
| 02:07.20 | Amarande | there aren't "CD" and "DVD" specific isofs, except of course for ones too large for a CD |
| 02:07.21 | Kazuha | That's what *I* think. |
| 02:07.38 | Amarande | I know DeepBurner burns the netinst to a DVD just fine |
| 02:07.38 | DipSwitch | M$ computers think on there own |
| 02:07.42 | Kazuha | But, then again..... |
| 02:07.49 | DipSwitch | the first IA has already been born :+ |
| 02:07.53 | Kazuha | This *IS* a Vista (or 7) laptop. |
| 02:08.04 | DipSwitch | Although it's stupid as f*ck xD |
| 02:08.20 | Kazuha | And, it only has the default stuff. |
| 02:08.31 | Kazuha | (Or *mostly*, anyway.) |
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| 02:13.23 | o2T7 | Kazuha: debian's install iso is that, an ISO image. You are looking for tools for a privative OS, so I think that this channel isn't the best place to ask about them. |
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| 02:14.21 | Amarande | Kazuha: www.deepburner.com, that's what I usually use on Windows |
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| 02:14.35 | Kazuha | Actually, I'm trying to talk someone 3,000 miles away through installing Debian -- and he's been having one problem after another. |
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| 02:14.59 | DipSwitch | <3 |
| 02:15.26 | DipSwitch | if he solves them all he'll be a great hacker one time :+ |
| 02:15.47 | DipSwitch | although i doubt that's gonna happen ;p |
| 02:16.47 | Kazuha | I went from DOS>MSOS98>Linux. |
| 02:16.59 | Kazuha | He went from MSOS-95>MSOS |
| 02:17.19 | Kazuha | Grr... enter next to hyphen. |
| 02:18.03 | Kazuha | He went from MSOS-95>MSOS-98>MSOS-ME>MSOS-98>MSOS-XP>MSOS-Vista |
| 02:18.21 | Kazuha | IIRC, anyway. |
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| 02:21.12 | twb | re. my question: it works! |
| 02:21.54 | DipSwitch | good :D |
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| 02:22.27 | DipSwitch | how did you do it twb ? |
| 02:22.29 | twb | So I can have interfaces called "dmz", "lan" and "isp" |
| 02:22.47 | twb | DipSwitch: you just edit the NAME properties in the persistent net rules in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 02:24.33 | DipSwitch | ah k nice to know ^^ i'll remember... i hope |
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| 02:30.57 | p3rror | hello |
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| 02:31.12 | p3rror | is there any php/html editor in gnome |
| 02:31.21 | p3rror | in kde i used quanta |
| 02:32.51 | Kazuha | You can use Quanta in Gnome. |
| 02:32.58 | Kazuha | vim is also good. |
| 02:33.08 | Kazuha | <3 vim. |
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| 02:35.05 | Tux^verdreifelt | <3 vim! |
| 02:36.31 | p3rror | Kazuha, yep it's very nice when i program with python, or c |
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| 02:37.06 | p3rror | ok, i think that i'll start using gphpedit |
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| 02:37.17 | p3rror | others recommend eclipse :\ |
| 02:38.58 | Amarande | p3rror, try TEA |
| 02:39.22 | Amarande | and for web pages, I'd have suggested Amaya, but they took that out of debian soooo ^.^ |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | p3rror: bluefish and anjuta |
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| 02:43.01 | OldParr | how do i upgrade debian 5.03 to debian 5.04? |
| 02:44.04 | twb | If you're writing PHP, you've already lost. |
| 02:44.42 | p3rror | abrotman, bluefish seems to be very friendly |
| 02:44.46 | Amarande | OldParr, don't think you need to |
| 02:45.01 | OldParr | Amarande: why? |
| 02:45.02 | Amarande | lenny is lenny, you'll pull all applicable update packages as necessary |
| 02:45.16 | Amarande | they just didn't update the installer isos for 5.04 |
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| 02:45.40 | Amarande | but you don't need to do a dist-upgrade or the like |
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| 02:46.07 | OldParr | Amarande: where do i see the version of debin i have? |
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| 02:46.24 | arghh2d2 | !ping |
| 02:46.24 | dpkg | Yes, arghh2d2, you are online. |
| 02:46.56 | arghh2d2 | !rules |
| 02:46.56 | dpkg | [rules] 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 02:47.01 | arghh2d2 | !topic |
| 02:47.01 | DanDare | Hello. Just installed 'swat' on Lenny but cant access it on localhost:901. I have the line "swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat" on inetd.conf and restarted inetd service, but still no joy. Any clue ? |
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| 02:47.37 | DanDare | 'ps -A | grep swa' dont show me any swat proccess also, i must to start swat manually ? |
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| 02:48.50 | abrotman | OldParr: if your sources point at stable/lenny .. it's pretty much an aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:49.09 | Zer | Out of curiosity, what is the KVM version in Debian? |
| 02:49.13 | DanDare | And i have a swat entry on /etc/services ... |
| 02:50.00 | hayleyw | Zer, see for yourself. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kvm |
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| 02:50.49 | OldParr | abrotman: it ran very well but it was extremely fast, is that all? |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | OldParr: you might not have any updates involved |
| 02:51.27 | Amarande | OldParr, if you've been keeping your packages updated, you might have 5.0.4 anyway |
| 02:51.30 | hayleyw | which is kind of the whole point of stable :P |
| 02:51.33 | Amarande | Like I said ... lenny is lenny |
| 02:51.55 | Amarande | they don't keep separate lennys for people who installed it at 5.0, 5.0.1, 5.0.2, 5.0.3 or 5.04 |
| 02:51.57 | Amarande | it's just lenny |
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| 02:52.46 | DanDare | After a 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' i just end with the last Lenny, let´s say "5.04" or something ? |
| 02:53.01 | daya | is there is any equivalent for stdin command in debian |
| 02:53.03 | Amarande | yeah, you end up with the latest lenny packages |
| 02:53.14 | DanDare | nice, thanks |
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| 02:53.15 | OldParr | abrotman: please see http://paste.debian.net/59341/ i can not believe it was that fast |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | OldParr: you may have already updated without knowing |
| 02:53.51 | Amarande | btw, what's "volatile.debian.org" for? |
| 02:54.03 | hayleyw | !volatile |
| 02:54.03 | dpkg | well, volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 02:54.33 | OldParr | abrotman: well then i have debian 5.04 already installed |
| 02:54.44 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:54.48 | abrotman | !beer OldParr |
| 02:54.48 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for OldParr |
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| 02:59.35 | dbuduru` | Is there a feature in SQUID that allows users to view the current proxy activity |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | dbuduru`: perhaps ask #squid |
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| 03:00.56 | windy | so many people here ! |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | dbuduru`: 27 people in there |
| 03:01.09 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | OldParr: it didn't change ABI .. it would appear the same to you in most cases |
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| 03:04.01 | abrotman | TWINS! |
| 03:04.30 | pickcoder | evenin |
| 03:05.46 | pickcoder | what's new |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | quadruplets! |
| 03:06.19 | pickcoder | I'd go insane |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | says .. madmax |
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| 03:15.24 | pickcoder | lives on the edge and drives a Camry |
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| 04:32.21 | iluminator101 | how i add boot parameters permanetly to the boot image? |
| 04:34.37 | iluminator101 | how i add boot parameters permanetly to the boot image? |
| 04:35.02 | gyyg | Where would be a good place to go for a question about tcpdump? |
| 04:36.14 | Tramp | gyyg: ##networking maybe |
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| 04:38.17 | Amarande | networking justified being bumped to a ##channel? |
| 04:38.33 | Amarande | you mean there is an "official" owner of the notion of networking who would have to be consulted to have #networking exist? LOL |
| 04:39.15 | iluminator101 | how i add boot parameters permanetly to the boot image? |
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| 04:40.41 | pickcoder | Amarande: IIRC #channels are for official projects. All other channels should be ## |
| 04:40.49 | pickcoder | feel free to ask in #freenode |
| 04:40.51 | Amarande | iluminator101, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 04:42.23 | mnuhmnuh | iluminator101: see "kopt" in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:42.41 | iluminator101 | i am not see that in /boot/grub |
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| 04:45.01 | mnuhmnuh | il: what are you running? stable, testing, sid? |
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| 04:48.31 | nsadmin | iluminator101 you add it to the kernel command line in grub or lilo |
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| 04:49.31 | pickcoder | ilum is not online |
| 04:50.13 | blakkheim | how long will lenny have security updates until? |
| 04:51.11 | Amarande | blakkheim, I think there's a Debian policy posted on that, let's see. |
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| 04:52.29 | karlpinc | blakkheim: A year after squeeze is released. |
| 04:52.45 | blakkheim | ok, thank you very much |
| 04:53.06 | Amarande | "Q: How long will security updates be provided? |
| 04:53.06 | Amarande | A: The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already difficult enough. |
| 04:53.06 | Amarande | " |
| 04:53.37 | Amarande | however, depending on your use of debian, it will be extremely unlikely that you'll use a stable release that long :) |
| 04:54.05 | Amarande | if you use debian as a desktop for instance, you'll probably find it getting long in the tooth by the time testing becomes stable and be chomping at the bit to make the dist-upgrade anyway :) |
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| 05:22.27 | dbbolton | i have two hard drives. when i get to the partitioning step of the installation, the hard drive plugged in to "sata 1" shows up as SCSI5/sdb, while the one plugged in to "sata 2" shows up as SCSI4/sda. how can i rectify the order? |
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| 05:22.45 | dbbolton | there is no "sata 0" on my board either |
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| 05:23.14 | karlpinc | dbbolton: Why does it matter? |
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| 05:23.43 | KamusHadenes | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.49 | dbbolton | karlpinc mainly because i want to know what determines which disk gets "a" and which gets "b" |
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| 05:24.17 | nsadmin | probably (initially) the first one detected |
| 05:24.37 | nsadmin | if they tend to change, you might want to go for UUIDs |
| 05:25.20 | dbbolton | i just don't know why the sata2 would be checked before sata1 |
| 05:25.25 | karlpinc | dbbolton: Dunno about sata, but, e.g. the PCI bus standard can report different cards in different orders during different boots, so you may not ever see stability. |
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| 05:26.11 | nevyn | karlpinc: umm nope |
| 05:26.16 | dbbolton | i guess i'll use UUID in fstab to be safe |
| 05:26.21 | nevyn | each bus enumerates devices in order |
| 05:26.48 | karlpinc | nevyn: Yup. Depends on the bios and the PCI implimentation. This is straight from the linux-hotplug list and Greg KH. |
| 05:26.49 | nevyn | it's just linux now does this in parallel across availible cpu cores so it varies between boots |
| 05:26.50 | nsadmin | nevyn: then what accounts for the difference? |
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| 05:27.03 | nsadmin | oh gotcha |
| 05:27.19 | dbbolton | i only have 1 cpu |
| 05:27.22 | nevyn | karlpinc: oh. that makes me more sad. |
| 05:27.29 | nevyn | hates this. |
| 05:27.38 | karlpinc | nevyn: PC hardware sucks. I've gotten used to it. |
| 05:27.52 | nevyn | karlpinc: so more udev magic :( |
| 05:27.57 | karlpinc | dbbolton: Or just use disk labels. |
| 05:28.13 | nsadmin | what's the difference between labels and UUIDs? |
| 05:28.15 | nevyn | karlpinc: unless you've got 6 or 12 network cards |
| 05:28.20 | nevyn | then you need udev magic |
| 05:28.25 | karlpinc | nevyn: Udev has some magic to deal with it. At some point my brain filled up and I stopped remembering. |
| 05:28.57 | karlpinc | nevyn: Yes, the discussion surrounded network cards. |
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| 05:29.33 | nsadmin | rolls his wagon train around the network cards... |
| 05:29.34 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Uuids are automatically assigned and, supposedly, never duplicated. You assign labels and can re-label any time you like. |
| 05:29.51 | nevyn | or you've got some whack hardware like a friends dual dvb-t tuner card which is implemented as two usb dvbt tuners on a pci card with a pci-> usb bridge |
| 05:29.53 | Amarande | actually, checking sata2 before sata1 may lead to really sad users at some point |
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| 05:29.55 | Amarande | it's rather important |
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| 05:30.00 | Amarande | I mean, say you attach an external sata |
| 05:30.02 | nsadmin | what do you assign labels to? partitions? filesystems? drives? |
| 05:30.08 | Amarande | which will probably be sata3, and thus, with that pattern get read FIRST |
| 05:30.11 | orzo | So... what's a simple light weight solution to ensure things like mplayer and pidgin can both play sounds simultaneously? |
| 05:30.24 | karlpinc | nsadmin: filesystems |
| 05:30.31 | Amarande | and then suddenly things happen liek your machine won't boot because partitions aren't as they are expected :) |
| 05:30.43 | karlpinc | Amarande: That's why the installer now defaults to uuids (iirc). |
| 05:30.47 | nsadmin | so, labels are like uuids except they're given by users |
| 05:30.55 | nevyn | where the second of these that's enumerated is the one the remote socket on the card is connected to so you need a udev rule to ignore the first time it sees the HID device with the VID/PID of the usb tuner and connect the second one to /dev/input/irremote |
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| 05:31.22 | karlpinc | orzo: Isn't that part of alsa? |
| 05:31.44 | karlpinc | orzo: I forget. Or it's something that alsa recommends anyway. |
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| 05:31.53 | dbbolton | orzo http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Sharingacardamongmultipleprocesses |
| 05:32.09 | karlpinc | nsadmin: In some sense, yes. |
| 05:32.38 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You can manually set uuids as well (and break the rules if you want to). |
| 05:33.09 | KamusHadenes | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.22 | karlpinc | nsadmin: You can also name lvm partitions, which is sorta like a fs label. |
| 05:33.45 | nevyn | or a multipath device |
| 05:33.58 | nsadmin | right, which show up as /dev/mapper/vg-lv |
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| 05:34.15 | nsadmin | and /dev/vg/lv |
| 05:34.24 | karlpinc | nevyn: My pet peeve is usb devices with no vendor id or serial number. |
| 05:35.09 | nevyn | karlpinc: part of the reason is the usb.org's hoopjumping and $$ requirements to get a VID/PID |
| 05:35.16 | nevyn | particularly a VID |
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| 05:35.38 | nevyn | so some manufactuers don't bother. |
| 05:35.49 | nevyn | also it's more expensive to do it right. |
| 05:36.16 | colt1 | in order to reference a file which is in another directory I may use this: ../OTHER_DIRECTORY/hello right? |
| 05:37.00 | karlpinc | nevyn: Just saw somebody selling a $150 board that bypasses usb.org. :-) |
| 05:37.20 | karlpinc | nevyn: Of course $150 is piles of money in some contexts. |
| 05:37.46 | nevyn | we've been discussing this in the hackerspace recently |
| 05:38.02 | nevyn | so if you're making a few hundred of something. it's not worth joining usb.org it's too small |
| 05:38.11 | nsadmin | what's a hackerspace? |
| 05:38.22 | nevyn | nsadmin: hackerspace.org |
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| 05:39.01 | karlpinc | nevyn: http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/572643 |
| 05:39.53 | nsadmin | $150 in pennies are tall piles... or one really tall pile |
| 05:39.59 | orzo | dbbolton: /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asound.conf_dmi does not exist for me, i'm using debian testing |
| 05:40.32 | dbbolton | orzo maybe try esd |
| 05:40.41 | nevyn | karlpinc: oh making one up isn't a problem |
| 05:41.05 | nevyn | util it get's purchased and used and windows starts recognising your widget as a foo vacume cleaner adapter |
| 05:41.27 | nevyn | karlpinc: I'm working at levels where sending a VID/PID isn't hard |
| 05:41.40 | nevyn | getting actual registered ones in small quantities is impossible |
| 05:42.39 | karlpinc | orzo: See also pulseaudio |
| 05:43.10 | orzo | hm, i had pidgin using "automatic" instead of "alsa" |
| 05:43.19 | karlpinc | nevyn: There's no rfc1918 namespace eh? |
| 05:43.19 | orzo | when i set it to alsa, it works |
| 05:43.21 | Amarande | oh man |
| 05:43.28 | Amarande | I was reading through a random debian forum thread |
| 05:43.39 | Amarande | and they're talking about whether or not woody is current enough. :D |
| 05:43.46 | Amarande | how long ago was woody? |
| 05:44.06 | karlpinc | Amarande: Before etch, after potato. |
| 05:44.14 | Tramp | !release history |
| 05:44.14 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 05:45.15 | dbbolton | when ever i try to compile a kernel, i get a seg fault. according to one of the kernel devs it has to be a hardware problem. i have tried changing memory and hard drive in the machine but the error persists. could the cpu itself be bad? |
| 05:45.46 | karlpinc | dbbolton: Run memtest86+, overnight to work out heat problems. You could have inadequate cooling. |
| 05:45.52 | nsadmin | what segfaults? |
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| 05:46.17 | dbbolton | nsadmin some random .c or .o file. it is different every time. |
| 05:46.32 | orzo | dbbolton: do you mean gcc is segfaulting while compiling some random .c file? |
| 05:46.39 | dbbolton | orzo yes |
| 05:46.48 | nsadmin | different every time? I'm starting to concur with "one of the kernel devs" |
| 05:46.49 | orzo | you could try re-installing gcc |
| 05:46.50 | dbbolton | tried different gcc versions too |
| 05:46.57 | orzo | maybe the hardware problem corrupted your copy |
| 05:47.01 | nevyn | karlpinc: exactly |
| 05:47.30 | karlpinc | nevyn: Bastards. |
| 05:47.42 | orzo | oh, maybe you have the random segfault virus |
| 05:48.07 | nevyn | karlpinc: and hardware compliance testing for mega$ to actually say your device is USB-highspeed etc |
| 05:48.22 | dbbolton | karlpinc you were right. i just checked the fan and it isnt running |
| 05:48.24 | orzo | a virus is trying to inject itself into whatever gcc compiles but it has a bug |
| 05:48.27 | karlpinc | orzo: Is that the same one that keeps sneaking in at night drinking my booze? |
| 05:48.35 | orzo | probably |
| 05:49.17 | nevyn | but even if you're willing to ignore the branding issue. you need vid/pid for your custom HID device that makes a real guitar a guitarhero/fretsonfire controller and your SOL |
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| 05:59.37 | dbbolton | trying to boot into a fresh install, and i get: the symbol 'grub_getcharwidth' not found. Entering rescue mode |
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| 06:00.20 | dbbolton | i've never seen that befire |
| 06:00.22 | dbbolton | before |
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| 06:01.06 | Amarande | hey, at least you discovered one of the awesome things about grub |
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| 06:01.16 | Amarande | LILO would probably have given you LIL* or something fun like that and hung :) |
| 06:02.15 | dbbolton | i actually kind of wish i had installed lilo |
| 06:02.23 | nsadmin | which would tell you approximately where lilo fails |
| 06:02.53 | Amarande | nsadmin: and yet at the same time, unless you have a separate rescue boot disc, you're boned :) |
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| 06:03.16 | nsadmin | why wouldn't you have that? |
| 06:03.25 | nsadmin | if you have a netinst, you have that |
| 06:04.16 | nsadmin | well unless a subsequent upgrade and change of partitions changes what the rescue disk needs to support |
| 06:04.22 | Amarande | dbbolton, did you fix your fan? |
| 06:04.34 | Amarande | I kinda suggest you turn off the computer for several hours while you go out and buy a new fan? |
| 06:04.48 | Amarande | otherwise, your CPU is probably doing its impression of water-doused Elphaba right about now :( |
| 06:05.14 | orzo | i fried a cpu once |
| 06:05.14 | nsadmin | CPUs do impressions?! |
| 06:05.18 | orzo | when the fan went bad |
| 06:05.28 | Amarande | nsadmin: "I'm meeeelting!" |
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| 06:05.49 | Amarande | I've never had a CPU fan die, myself |
| 06:05.54 | Amarande | I've had a power supply fan die once though |
| 06:06.02 | nsadmin | maan, that one gets me every time... |
| 06:06.08 | Amarande | next thing the system was running at 80C in the middle of summer ... |
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| 06:08.37 | Amarande | nothing like a system releasing a steady stream of 176F air into your windowless room in the middle of summer |
| 06:08.42 | Amarande | am I ever glad for air conditioning :P |
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| 06:10.19 | dbbolton | Amarande i actually decided to put the box next to my coal-fired furnace instead of fixing the fan |
| 06:10.35 | Amarande | lol |
| 06:12.03 | Lns | I had an old Cyrix (remember those?) P133 fan die on me running an old BBS.. It locked up one day, but replaced the fan and it was good for another year or so when I just got rid of the machine |
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| 06:12.22 | dbbolton | it's a K8 so it can stand those conditions |
| 06:12.22 | Lns | it's usually either an exaust fan or power supp. fan that goes out for me though |
| 06:12.41 | Lns | totally |
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| 06:27.34 | dbbolton | what is an appropriate size for /tmp partition on a file server |
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| 06:29.48 | nsadmin | what other filesystems are you separating? |
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| 06:30.12 | dbbolton | boot, /, usr, var, swap, tmp, home |
| 06:30.19 | nsadmin | you should probably have separate... /usr /var /home /tmp |
| 06:30.26 | nsadmin | ok good :) |
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| 06:30.41 | dbbolton | i was thinking 500 mb for tmp |
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| 06:31.18 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.43 | nsadmin | if you have the ram you can put a ramdisk on /tmp |
| 06:31.53 | dbbolton | only have 1 gb |
| 06:31.57 | pierre_le | dbbolton, consider using tmpfs for /tmp |
| 06:32.11 | nsadmin | that would be a ramdisk |
| 06:32.44 | pierre_le | nsadmin, ha you took the point first |
| 06:33.21 | nsadmin | true enough... but if he doesn't want to, that's his choice |
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| 06:34.44 | dbbolton | i guess i could make a 64 mb ramdisk |
| 06:35.02 | pierre_le | dbbolton, a 100mb ramdisk could do the job, and as it's dinamically allocated it wont lock the mem. you have to know the mini/maxi usage for it |
| 06:35.31 | nsadmin | it's also about what you want to use the ram for |
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| 06:39.00 | dbbolton | this computer is pretty much just a cups server so i can print crap from my laptop without plugging a printer into it |
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| 06:41.12 | dbbolton | why is "none" a "kernel to install option"? |
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| 06:42.06 | freakynl | hi, is it possible to see if disks are slow because of too much seeking? |
| 06:42.26 | nsadmin | maybe someone already has a kernel in the right place |
| 06:42.56 | pierre_le | dbbolton, probly for manual dbootstrapped install with custom build kernel |
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| 06:44.01 | dbbolton | i'm seriously considering installing debian on my k6 and rebuilding the whole system from deb-src |
| 06:45.13 | dbbolton | of course compiling a stripped-down kernel takes over 400 minutes on that thing |
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| 06:48.41 | st4rscr34m | I have a have two partition on my computer. |
| 06:49.03 | st4rscr34m | One is a windows install and the other is an empty NTFS. |
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| 06:49.21 | st4rscr34m | Can I install over the empty partition with a debian cd? |
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| 06:50.10 | dbbolton | not unless you format it |
| 06:50.35 | dbbolton | personally i recommend ext3 |
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| 06:51.36 | st4rscr34m | Anyone? |
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| 06:53.19 | Lns | st4rscr34m, the partition isn't empty if it has an NTFS filesystem on it. Are you asking if you can install debian into ntfs f/s? gross |
| 06:53.54 | dbbolton | Lns i guess he has me on /ignore |
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| 06:54.34 | Lns | dbbolton, yeah =p |
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| 07:06.22 | dbbolton | the udev/testing upgrade problem is really starting to get annoying |
| 07:07.36 | nervousTwitch | the consolekit/udve stuff? |
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| 07:12.42 | dbbolton | yeah |
| 07:13.06 | nervousTwitch | what kernel do you have. |
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| 07:13.42 | dbbolton | well, now i have 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 07:13.59 | nervousTwitch | ahh you are in good shape now right? |
| 07:14.03 | dbbolton | yeah |
| 07:14.42 | dbbolton | i get around it by letting the dist-upgrade fail, then i install the new kernel, boot it, and run dist-upgrade again |
| 07:14.51 | nervousTwitch | i wasent expecting all that either when i went to 2.6.30 |
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| 07:15.09 | ddalton | hey is there anyone around that can help me out with a grub related issue? Using grub2 on squeeze, I can't figure out how to add windows xp to the boot menue so i can boot that too |
| 07:15.15 | wish^ | I need to unrar something via ssh on my debian box, anyone know how? |
| 07:15.29 | SPF | wish^: unrar x file.rar |
| 07:15.33 | dbbolton | ddalton you need a chainloader |
| 07:15.51 | ddalton | ok. so where do i start what files wats a chain loader? |
| 07:16.07 | jmarsden | wish^: ssh user@yourdebian.box "unrar x file.rar" |
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| 07:17.16 | dbbolton | ddalton i'll pastebin an example for you. one second |
| 07:17.44 | ddalton | dbbolton: thanks! |
| 07:17.53 | wish^ | SPF, jmarsden.. unrar unknown command |
| 07:18.06 | jmarsden | wish^: Then install it first :) |
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| 07:18.36 | dbbolton | ddalton http://paste.debian.net/59354/ |
| 07:18.38 | wish^ | you know what the .apt is called? |
| 07:18.49 | dbbolton | ddalton but os-prober does it automagically |
| 07:18.52 | jmarsden | wish^: unrar-free |
| 07:18.56 | ddalton | thanks... |
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| 07:19.18 | ddalton | how do i make use of os prober? |
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| 07:19.50 | jmarsden | wish^: Use apt-cache search unrar # to answer questions like that for yourself. |
| 07:19.52 | dbbolton | ddalton which version of grun do you have? |
| 07:19.59 | wish^ | thanks jmarsden |
| 07:20.04 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
| 07:20.20 | dbbolton | run apt-cache policy grub-pc |
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| 07:20.49 | ddalton | grub2 i think? |
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| 07:21.09 | dbbolton | ddalton yeah but which package version |
| 07:21.18 | godlygeek | is there a way to get gnome-settings-daemon to never touch my touchpad settings? idealy i'd like to disable every gconf setting touched by gnome-mouse-properties ... |
| 07:21.28 | dbbolton | at one point os-prober got put into grub-pc or grub-common |
| 07:21.34 | wish^ | jmarsden, what about when the rar is like 15 files |
| 07:21.37 | wish^ | it didnt seem to work |
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| 07:22.04 | dbbolton | ddalton try running /usr/sbin/update-grub2 and see if it finds the windows system |
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| 07:22.19 | Lagbolt | hey, if system switched from BASH to DASH how would i switch it back? :) |
| 07:22.21 | ddalton | i already did and no luck |
| 07:22.22 | dbbolton | godlygeek aptitude purge gnome |
| 07:22.41 | godlygeek | something a little less extreme, perhaps? :) |
| 07:22.50 | godlygeek | i'm fine with the *rest* of gnome, i just don't want it mucking with my touchpad. |
| 07:23.14 | dbbolton | ddalton well os-prober works fine in 1.98~20100115-1 |
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| 07:23.59 | jmarsden | wish^: One .rar file = 1 file. How many files are inside it does not (should not) matter. man unrar to check how it works. Worst case, you need the non-free version of unrar to handle some weirdness in your .rar file. |
| 07:24.19 | wish^ | well, rar files come like r.01 |
| 07:24.24 | wish^ | r02 |
| 07:24.25 | wish^ | r03 |
| 07:24.27 | wish^ | and so on |
| 07:24.31 | ddalton | dbbolton: may i pm u as im blind and its getting a bit hard to follow due to the other traffic in the channel |
| 07:25.46 | jmarsden | wish^: I don't use them like that... not sure if the free unrar will handle that. man unrar to check what it can do. |
| 07:26.01 | wish^ | already did, i got an empty folder |
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| 07:27.12 | jmarsden | man page says "Advanced features of version 3.0 archives are not currently supported." I have no idea whether your split archive is such a feature or not. |
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| 07:30.26 | jmarsden | wish^: You could try installing the non-free unrar package and see if it works any better for you. |
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| 07:50.14 | rocketmagnet | good morning, where can i remove modules that are loaded like pcspkr so it's not always loaded at startup ? |
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| 07:52.27 | WaterRatj | How do i know what version i have in commandline? |
| 07:52.34 | rocketmagnet | uname -a ` |
| 07:52.41 | rocketmagnet | or /proc |
| 07:53.33 | WaterRatj | only shows kernel |
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| 07:53.44 | rocketmagnet | what version you want ? |
| 07:53.45 | dbbolton | WaterRatj cat /etc/issue |
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| 07:54.10 | WaterRatj | thanks! |
| 07:55.06 | xpk | rocketmagnet: echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 07:55.40 | k\t | and here too... http://pastebin.com/f645b9742 |
| 07:55.42 | k\t | oops |
| 07:56.48 | dbbolton | rocketmagnet the safest way is to smash your speaker with a hammer |
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| 07:58.11 | oggei | moin |
| 07:58.21 | dbbolton | oggei guten morgen |
| 07:58.31 | rocketmagnet | dbbolton: sounds resonable =) |
| 07:58.37 | rocketmagnet | reasonable |
| 07:58.54 | oggei | hey dbbolton :) |
| 07:58.56 | dbbolton | rocketmagnet i've found that blacklisting pcspkr doesn't work sometimes |
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| 08:06.54 | ddalton | hi, im back still with my grub issue... |
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| 08:07.09 | ddalton | anyone got any ideas on how to make windows xp show up in grub2...? |
| 08:08.04 | dbbolton | ddalton put an entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom like the one i showed you |
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| 08:08.18 | dbbolton | http://paste.debian.net/59354/ |
| 08:08.48 | rumpsy | How to enable password for my grub |
| 08:09.43 | willwh | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=password+grub |
| 08:10.02 | ddalton | ok ill try that, thanks |
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| 08:17.30 | rocketmagnet | how to install python 2.6.4 instead of 2.4 ? and i need also 3.1 but can't find any packages with apt-cache :( |
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| 08:18.15 | WaterRatj | How many image files do i neeed to download for latest debian? |
| 08:18.41 | rocketmagnet | i've only downloaded the first dvd iso to install |
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| 08:18.59 | WaterRatj | how big is the dvd |
| 08:19.07 | rocketmagnet | 4.4 gig or so i think |
| 08:19.11 | jelly | freefree |
| 08:19.17 | rocketmagnet | that fastest is netboot |
| 08:19.23 | rocketmagnet | i mean smallest |
| 08:19.39 | WaterRatj | damn |
| 08:19.55 | jelly | rocketmagnet: install them from source into separate directory trees |
| 08:20.42 | rocketmagnet | so download the sources from python.org and compile on my own, and use my own dir for everything ? |
| 08:20.55 | rocketmagnet | so something like ~/build/python3.1 ? |
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| 08:22.14 | jelly | rocketmagnet: yes, except I'd use /opt or something instead of putting stuff under home, but it's a matter of personal preference |
| 08:22.48 | rocketmagnet | how to find out which glibc version i'm running ? |
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| 08:23.48 | jelly | rocketmagnet: the generic way is to run it: /lib/libc.so.6; the Debian way is to look at libc6 package version |
| 08:23.50 | oggei | jelly: you can btw compile a package and live a bit happier |
| 08:24.00 | jelly | oggei: sorry? |
| 08:24.09 | oggei | err, rocketmagnet |
| 08:24.39 | rocketmagnet | oggei: what you mean ? |
| 08:24.52 | jelly | oggei: building packages for python is highly nontrivial in Debian |
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| 08:25.17 | jelly | !tell rocketmagnet -about version |
| 08:25.23 | oggei | i'd download a debianized tree from testing or so, and trying a backport on my own |
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| 08:27.55 | ddalton | dbbolton: around? |
| 08:28.09 | jelly | wonders what rocketmagnet is really trying to do |
| 08:28.48 | ddalton | guess not |
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| 08:29.55 | nsadmin | ls -l /lib/libc.* |
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| 08:47.13 | mondoshawan | good morning, my imap,postfix with ldap on debian works fine now. But i liked to akctivate saslauthd for smtp and configured to check on IMAP like this MECHANISMS="rimap -O 192.168.1.13" but the testsaslauth fails onnect() : No such file or directory ??? what the |
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| 09:08.45 | eshat | Arghhhhh why isn't kde 4.4 in sid yet. Arch Linux and gentoo already have it... |
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| 09:09.44 | babilen | eshat: heard it is ready in two weeks. Why don't you install Gentoo or Arch? |
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| 09:12.23 | anonissimus | can I get some suggestions for backing up a windows guest OS from a linux host? |
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| 09:13.55 | nsvidas | Hello there. I'm having issues with source package of eglibc. I need it since libc6 seems to be depending on it. At least so it claims. I wonder where could I get the hol of eglibc since repositories seem not to be having it? |
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| 09:15.13 | babilen | nsvidas: Could you paste the relevant output? Which version of Debian is this? |
| 09:15.56 | ambuli | in rules file $$ is used on variable what does that mean ? |
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| 09:16.47 | nsvidas | babilen: Lenny. And relevant output is simply "Unable to find source package for eglibc" |
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| 09:17.10 | babilen | nsvidas: Yeah, that package is not in lenny |
| 09:17.20 | babilen | judd: versions eglibc |
| 09:17.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'eglibc' was found. |
| 09:17.21 | nsvidas | babilen: mkay. Thing is, I need it :) |
| 09:17.42 | nsvidas | What should I do? :< |
| 09:17.42 | babilen | !tell nsvidas -about ssb |
| 09:18.02 | babilen | Just out of curiosity: Why do you need it? |
| 09:18.05 | nsvidas | I mean - why does a package so important as libc6-dev depend on something that doesn't exist :< |
| 09:18.16 | nsvidas | libc6-dev depends on it, as I just said :) |
| 09:18.18 | k\t | apt-cache search eglibc-source... |
| 09:18.55 | nsvidas | That gives no result, k\t |
| 09:20.20 | babilen | judd: depends libc6-dev |
| 09:20.21 | judd | libc6-dev -- Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-18lenny1), linux-libc-dev |
| 09:20.35 | babilen | nsvidas: ^^^ I don't see eglibc in there - do you? |
| 09:20.54 | nsvidas | babilen: just a sec |
| 09:21.14 | nsvidas | "apt-get build-dep libc6" ... E: Unable to find a source package for eglibc |
| 09:21.44 | nsvidas | (I wish I could copy but the machine should not be opened said the boss so I'm _driving_ around the office on a chair right now :<) |
| 09:22.05 | nsvidas | And, babilen, funny thing - apt-get install build-essential failes because it depends on libc6 |
| 09:22.11 | nsvidas | Ain't that fucking hooray? |
| 09:22.21 | nsvidas | (Sorry for my words, I'm getting a bit nervous) |
| 09:22.49 | babilen | nsvidas: no problem - I'm not from the US |
| 09:23.34 | babilen | nsvidas: What is your goal? |
| 09:23.57 | babilen | nsvidas: Could you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' please |
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| 09:24.00 | nsvidas | My primary goal is to compile postgresql from source for testing |
| 09:24.22 | nsvidas | As I said, I have limited copy abilites (limited as in I'm rewriting stuff that is outputed there) |
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| 09:25.12 | babilen | nsvidas: Just install pastebinit ('aptitude install pastebinit') and run 'apt-cache policy | pastebinit' |
| 09:25.42 | themill | wonders why nsvidas is compiling postgresql |
| 09:25.43 | nsvidas | babilen: uploaded to another ftp of my own: http://ssh.si/blar |
| 09:25.56 | babilen | nsvidas: Any pasrticular reason why you want to compile the postgresql package? |
| 09:26.02 | nsvidas | themill: a customer of ours wants it. I have nothing to say there - money speaks, you know the deal |
| 09:26.12 | nsvidas | Same answer for you babilen :) |
| 09:26.16 | themill | ,versions postgresql |
| 09:26.16 | judd | postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.9-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.9-0lenny1; sid: 8.4.1-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.2-2; squeeze: 8.4.2-2 |
| 09:26.27 | themill | it's not like it's not just an "aptitude install" away |
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| 09:27.23 | babilen | nsvidas: Why do you use dotdeb? |
| 09:27.32 | themill | eek :( |
| 09:28.05 | babilen | nsvidas: But apart from that - I guess we can't do much if you don't provide the complete output of the command that is failing. |
| 09:28.31 | babilen | !tell nsvidas -about ssb |
| 09:29.07 | babilen | nsvidas: Use that to compile the postgresql package yourself |
| 09:29.32 | themill | there's no need to make a backport of pg as the same version is in lenny-backports as sid and squeeze anyway |
| 09:29.37 | babilen | nsvidas: But note that a newer version is also available from backports and you can just install it |
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| 09:29.46 | nameless` | hi |
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| 09:30.01 | babilen | themill: If the client wants it compiled - she shall have it compiled ;-) |
| 09:30.22 | themill | it's already compiled in the .deb :) |
| 09:30.24 | themill | hides |
| 09:30.36 | babilen | hehe |
| 09:31.30 | nameless` | i have a lot of troubles with Debian on my macbook and the wiki does not help me. There is two thing i would like to fix quickly, ACPI and sound, can anyone already make these things work ? |
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| 09:31.47 | nameless` | s/can/does |
| 09:31.51 | babilen | waves his wand |
| 09:32.25 | babilen | nameless`: Give us more details |
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| 09:34.24 | nameless` | babilen: i installed Debian 5 on a macbook model mid 2009 with lilo as bootloader (grub was freezing when booting). if i want to boot on my debian i have to add the options acpi=off at boot time else i have a dark screen after a few seconds. The problem is that without ACPI, my mac is always 100% (in terms of ressources) even when i close my laptop or when i cut the battery off. |
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| 09:37.24 | Bob_Dole | How "simple" is getting debian to work on PPC macs? (because it certainly isn't simple on SPARC hardware in my experience.. I'm going to have to use the debootstrap method to get it on my Sun Ultra 5, it seems.) |
| 09:37.43 | nameless` | Bob_Dole: powerbook ? |
| 09:37.54 | nameless` | Bob_Dole: i installed Debian on a powerbook few years ago |
| 09:37.56 | Bob_Dole | I'm thinking B&W Powermac G3 |
| 09:38.07 | nameless` | it was actually simpler than on the newer macbook |
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| 09:38.23 | nameless` | i'm getting crazy with that macbook |
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| 09:38.44 | Bob_Dole | I can get B&W Powermac G3's for ~42 dollars real easy |
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| 09:39.07 | themill | Bob_Dole: I did an install on an old xserve last night with the help of a remote pair of hands. She had never even touched linux before but the install was pretty easy |
| 09:39.23 | WaterRatj | if i compile lets say eggdrop on debian 4.0 , woud that compiled eggdrop work on debian 5.0? |
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| 09:40.00 | tomi | hi |
| 09:40.09 | joltcan | WaterRatj: The biggest question is why you want to compile something that is in a package :9 |
| 09:40.14 | Bob_Dole | themill, good to hear. I probably ought to figure out all the bugs on the SPARC install to report. the fact that it formats the drive as MBR rather than sun disklabel isn't the only thing it's doing wrong anymore. |
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| 09:40.43 | tomi | is possible to check leght of rsa key when i have public part? |
| 09:40.51 | nsadmin | he wants to make or participate in a botnet, perhaps the one attacking freenode |
| 09:40.55 | themill | Bob_Dole: creating a NewWorld book partition etc is left as an exercise to the reader for the ppc install too. |
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| 09:41.41 | nsadmin | he wants to make sure that he can just upload a bot and have it start immediately |
| 09:41.54 | the_gamer | i want to install a package using dpkg with -i it says it has missing dependencies. how to tell him he should install them? i don't wanna install every single one by hand |
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| 09:42.19 | themill | the_gamer: we have aptitude for that already. what are you trying to install? |
| 09:42.29 | the_gamer | otrs2 |
| 09:42.30 | nsadmin | the_gamer; man aptitude |
| 09:43.04 | themill | ,versions otrs2 |
| 09:43.04 | judd | otrs2 -- etch: 2.0.4p01-18; etch-security: 2.0.4p01-18; lenny: 2.2.7-2lenny2; sid: 2.4.7-1; squeeze: 2.4.7-1 |
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| 09:43.49 | project2501a | hey debian people |
| 09:43.56 | project2501a | i work in a bioinformatics department |
| 09:44.04 | Bob_Dole | Once upon a time, i could format a drive with solaris 9, and then install debian and it'd work, I tried that recently, and it's breaking something. I don't know what, but it makes the U5 say it had a Fast Data Access MMU Miss, which is apparently it saying that it's partitioned funny..but it isn't MBR. |
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| 09:45.47 | project2501a | hey debian people. i work in a bioinformatics department. there are 5-6 applications we use, which are mostly gpl-ed. they are given in a tarball format. i wanna deb-ianize them. i don't have the approval of the author(s) to do so, but i would like to include them as part of the free/nonfree tree of the distro. i'd be great help for me. can i package them and submit them for review, anyway? |
| 09:46.24 | project2501a | on second note, i need a 30" inch screen to attach to this laptop :( |
| 09:46.25 | nsadmin | how would I go about pulling the audio off of a .flv and make an mp3 from it? |
| 09:46.29 | Bob_Dole | But, that's something I'll bother with later. I'm currently just using FreeBSD..and it's not serving my needs. |
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| 09:46.40 | project2501a | nsadmin: man mencoder |
| 09:46.46 | project2501a | nsadmin: man ffmpeg |
| 09:46.52 | nsadmin | ok, thanks |
| 09:47.04 | project2501a | nsadmin: google "mencoder flv mp3" |
| 09:47.38 | project2501a | nsadmin: the manpage for mencoder is ... of high learning curve, to say the least |
| 09:47.58 | project2501a | that man page needs to be broken down into video, audio and tutorials |
| 09:48.01 | project2501a | too damn long |
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| 09:48.27 | oggei | ffmpeg is far more easy for this things |
| 09:48.37 | project2501a | oggei: true |
| 09:48.40 | rocketmagnet | can squid also filter http or is it only a cache/proxy? |
| 09:48.49 | oggei | but also dumpaudio from mplayer is ok |
| 09:48.55 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: You can do a whole bunch of crazy ACLs |
| 09:48.55 | project2501a | rocketmagnet: define filter |
| 09:49.11 | project2501a | but yeah you can set ACLs like nobody's business |
| 09:49.18 | project2501a | especially since they support regex |
| 09:49.29 | themill | project2501a: /msg dpkg nmg ; once you've got a package that you think is in good shape for people to have a look at, /msg dpkg mentors |
| 09:49.37 | project2501a | attaches a straw on joltcan and sips |
| 09:49.41 | nsvidas | babilen: I'm sorry, I had to go phsysically transfer an 80kilo server rack :<< |
| 09:49.43 | rocketmagnet | project2501a: i just want basic stuff like now showing browser and so on |
| 09:49.52 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: ...but I actually prefer polipo for HTTP cache/proxy |
| 09:49.53 | nsvidas | I can't see it all what you've said...could you pretty please copy it? |
| 09:49.57 | rocketmagnet | isn't this provided by the base install ` |
| 09:50.09 | rocketmagnet | joltcan: also filtering ? |
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| 09:50.32 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: you can filter urls based on string or regex, yes |
| 09:50.36 | project2501a | themill: so i can do it without them approving of it? |
| 09:50.52 | nsvidas | babilen: I just enabled dotdeb like 2 mins before that policy output for the kicks. Usualy disabled |
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| 09:51.17 | nsvidas | Basically, what is there for me to do regarding libc6 and libc6-dev |
| 09:51.29 | themill | project2501a: A good relationship with the original authors is important. You want them to tell you when there are new releases, you want them to accept your patches when you find something wrong or when you want to change their build system to make it easier to work with etc |
| 09:51.31 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: squid is crazy much more flexible though, which I guess is good or bad depending on what you want to do |
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| 09:51.51 | mondoshawan | hello , somebody has ever seen this error? dict_ldap_open: acceptdomains: Fixed query_filter (associatedDomain=*) is probably useless |
| 09:51.52 | nsvidas | Or, if I may bother you maybe, themill ? |
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| 09:52.03 | rocketmagnet | joltcan: i just want basic filtering stuff for http, like not showing browser string etc |
| 09:52.30 | project2501a | themill: gotcha. be diplomatic :) |
| 09:52.35 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: then have a look at privoxy instead |
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| 09:52.54 | rocketmagnet | joltcan: ty, i forgot the name |
| 09:53.04 | joltcan | rocketmagnet: np |
| 09:53.10 | tripFantastic | has there been any dev WRT a non-Emacs unexec()? |
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| 09:55.08 | Backup | im trying to make a bootable usb using dd for windows, the command to write the boot file executes fine, but on boot i get "boot error" im using the files from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ and my motherboard does support booting from usb |
| 09:56.07 | nsadmin | project2501a thanks; looking now |
| 09:56.31 | tomi | is possible to check leght of rsa key when i have public part? |
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| 09:56.50 | babilen | Backup: You want to boot Windows or Debian from USB? |
| 09:56.57 | Backup | debian |
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| 09:57.07 | babilen | Backup: But you are on Windows? |
| 09:57.10 | Backup | i got the files under the hd-meda folder |
| 09:57.12 | Backup | yes |
| 09:57.28 | babilen | Backup: You could use something like unetbootin for that |
| 09:57.39 | Backup | whats that? |
| 09:57.41 | nsvidas | babilen: may I bother you for a lil more please? :< |
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| 09:57.52 | rbutler | Hi, how do I remove an svn repository on the server? |
| 09:57.53 | tripFantastic | dont ask to ask :) |
| 09:57.57 | tripFantastic | just bother him |
| 09:57.59 | babilen | nsvidas: Bother everybody - I'll answer if I can help |
| 09:58.07 | babilen | hehe |
| 09:58.10 | nsvidas | I know that :< |
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| 09:58.18 | nsvidas | I just haven't seen everything that he said to me before |
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| 09:58.47 | nsvidas | So, basically, eglibc causes my issues in lenny. What to do? |
| 09:59.01 | hellyeah | hey i am using debian squeeze and i have hp deskjet 5740 |
| 09:59.07 | nsvidas | eglibc seems not to be included in lenny but libc6 depends on it |
| 09:59.12 | hellyeah | how can i install driver of this printer |
| 09:59.17 | babilen | Backup: Just google it - You will find the information you need on their website |
| 09:59.17 | hellyeah | and work in debian |
| 09:59.31 | Backup | babilen: thanks |
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| 10:00.55 | hellyeah | is there any free driver ? |
| 10:01.02 | babilen | nsvidas: It does not depend on that package. Lenny's libc6-dev would be considered broken if it depends on a package that is not available in lenny |
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| 10:01.46 | babilen | nsvidas: Please provide the complete command and output of the command that makes you believe it depends on eglibc |
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| 10:02.33 | hellyeah | i need help |
| 10:02.37 | nsvidas | babilen: libc6-dev depends on libc6 and libc6 seems to be depending on eglibc. I, as said before, can not copy everything |
| 10:02.39 | hellyeah | can you hear me someone |
| 10:02.41 | babilen | hellyeah: www.linuxprinting.org |
| 10:02.50 | nsvidas | babilen: I'm trying to build libc6 dependencies |
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| 10:03.29 | babilen | Why can't you paste anything? It is hard to help you if we don't see the actual output :-\ |
| 10:03.33 | nsvidas | babilen: otherwise I have libc6 2.7 installed which is old and libc6-dev requires libc6 2.10 |
| 10:04.16 | nsvidas | babilen: okay, I somehow managed to persuade to open stuff. Now I shall copy |
| 10:04.24 | aburch | nsvidas: There is no binary package named eglibc in Debian (only a source package). |
| 10:05.06 | nsvidas | babilen: okay, right now I'm confused. I logged in remotely and build-dep works. That's a new one for me. |
| 10:05.17 | nsvidas | Or wait, no, my bad |
| 10:05.35 | nsvidas | aburch: so how to install that? |
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| 10:06.04 | babilen | nsvidas: Paste the output of 'aptitude install libc6-dev' please |
| 10:06.33 | nsvidas | Seriously... |
| 10:06.52 | aburch | nsvidas: What are you trying to do exactly anyway? |
| 10:06.58 | babilen | I don't quite understand what you are doing - If you want to install libc6-dev just install it |
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| 10:07.07 | nsvidas | Please explain to me how is it possible that when I do stuff localy it doesn't work but now, logged in over ssh, it works? |
| 10:07.12 | nsvidas | I'm confused right now |
| 10:07.25 | hellyeah | i will install hplip |
| 10:07.36 | babilen | hellyeah: Hope it works |
| 10:07.47 | babilen | nsvidas: Different hosts? |
| 10:07.51 | SPF | I'm installing debian from usb stick. But it now wants to mount the cdrom, but there's no cdrom player |
| 10:07.58 | hellyeah | linuxprinting told hplip woks great |
| 10:08.08 | babilen | hellyeah: :-) |
| 10:08.37 | nsvidas | babilen: same host. And oh, wait, configure problem for postresql remains. |
| 10:08.41 | hellyeah | http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_5740 or the linux foundation |
| 10:08.42 | hellyeah | :D |
| 10:08.43 | Kryll | clear |
| 10:08.49 | nsvidas | babilen: the error is configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 10:09.23 | babilen | nsvidas: Why don't you install postgresql from backports? Do you follow the 'ssb' factoid dpkg told you about? |
| 10:09.44 | babilen | nsvidas: Install 'build-essential' |
| 10:09.47 | nsvidas | babilen: because I need to reproduce the enviorment customer has |
| 10:10.26 | babilen | nsvidas: And the customer uses a different psql version than the one in Debian? |
| 10:10.41 | nsvidas | babilen: mainly different flags and stuff. |
| 10:10.57 | babilen | mainly? |
| 10:11.17 | babilen | as in versions number differs +/- 0.1 and he/she used different flags? |
| 10:11.20 | nsvidas | babilen: build-essential threats to remove shitloads of packages and free 500mb of space. That's somewhat alot, is it? |
| 10:11.35 | nsvidas | babilen: flags like thread safety and stuff. |
| 10:11.39 | babilen | nsvidas: Please paste the output |
| 10:11.51 | babilen | !tell nsvidas -about package recompile |
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| 10:12.06 | babilen | nsvidas: Edit the compile flags in debian/rules |
| 10:13.21 | SPF | is it even possible to install debian from usb? because the wiki suggests installing damnsmalllinux |
| 10:14.12 | nsvidas | Meh, no, I'm confused all in all...too many stuff at once. Let me focus :< |
| 10:14.21 | nsvidas | babilen: here's the build-essential output: http://pastebin.com/m16053f80 |
| 10:14.28 | nsvidas | So, I got errors in the system. |
| 10:14.31 | nsvidas | Figured as much |
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| 10:16.34 | tomi | is possible to known leght of rsa key when i have public part? |
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| 10:17.11 | aburch | nsvidas: Could you please explain what you are trying to do in detail? |
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| 10:18.06 | nsvidas | aburch: I am trying to..hm, for now, I'm trying to install build-essential. |
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| 10:18.26 | ambuli | Hi, in debian/rules file is it possible to give the list of build dependency packages in two lines: Build-Depends: pkg1, pkg2 and in the next line pkg3 ? |
| 10:19.02 | babilen | nsvidas: That looks quite messy - (i) You have a non-lenny version of libc6 installed (ii) You have partially installed packages and (iii) ldconfig does not seem to be in root's PATH |
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| 10:19.28 | ambuli | any help ? |
| 10:19.36 | babilen | nsvidas: Try to configure the partially installed packages first (libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common) |
| 10:19.50 | eshat | KDE SV 4.4 ready in two weeks ??? You are kidding!? |
| 10:19.54 | eshat | *SC |
| 10:20.11 | |Repox| | Hi. I'm trying to connect to my server with ssh through a new user I added. using 'useradd robin', then making the home dir and chowning it to robin:robin created the folder .ssh and pasted a public key into /home/robin/.ssh/authorized_keys. Putty just tells me the key is refused and the auth.log doesn't say anything other than that the server was listening on port 22. |
| 10:20.14 | babilen | nsvidas: Make sure root's PATH contains /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin |
| 10:20.23 | |Repox| | Any ideas? |
| 10:20.25 | hellyeah | are there anyone who has hp deskjet 5740 |
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| 10:20.46 | nsvidas | babilen: this is something I should look for in /etc/profile, yes? |
| 10:20.46 | babilen | nsvidas: But you will have to downgrade libc6 - That is not easily done, but you can try it |
| 10:20.53 | nsvidas | Or .bash_profile or .profile for that matter |
| 10:20.56 | aburch | nsvidas: What did you do to get that libc6? |
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| 10:21.12 | babilen | eshat: why? |
| 10:21.17 | nsvidas | aburch: it might be that I enabled dotdeb for like 5mins :< |
| 10:21.19 | WaterRatj | Can debian be run on external HD? |
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| 10:22.43 | babilen | nsvidas: It is still enabled - See the output of 'apt-cache policy' you provided earlier |
| 10:23.03 | aburch | nsvidas: Do you have the package "libc-bin" installed? |
| 10:23.13 | eshat | babilen: why should it take 2 weeks to get KDE SC 4.4 in sid ? Why should Arch be faster ? I've seen Packages going to sid much faster... |
| 10:23.35 | hellyeah | i installed hplip pls help |
| 10:24.47 | babilen | eshat: Join the KDE packaging team and help |
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| 10:29.11 | eshat | babilen: That's always the easiest answer, isn't it ? I though debian is such a big distribution and is so great, but you alwas get to hear this stupid sentence when asking for something. |
| 10:29.15 | bezourox | Bonjour, y a t'il des personnes sur debian lenny avec serveur mail postfix ? |
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| 10:30.14 | babilen | eshat: If you are really interested in finding out what delays the upload you have to ask the packagers |
| 10:30.26 | babilen | eshat: I am sure there are good reasons for the delay |
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| 10:31.00 | JyZyXEL | man this is hella weird |
| 10:31.05 | WaterRatj | Can debian be run on external HD? |
| 10:31.09 | babilen | eshat: And creating packages of a certain quality takes time |
| 10:31.09 | eshat | babilen: I am sure, too. That's why I came heare. I didn't complain. |
| 10:31.12 | eshat | WaterRatj: Sure. |
| 10:31.13 | JyZyXEL | with encfs --public i can write to files and i can remove them |
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| 10:31.19 | nsvidas | aburch: Package libc-bin is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 10:31.21 | JyZyXEL | but when i try create a file it says Permission denied |
| 10:31.26 | JyZyXEL | how the hell is that possible |
| 10:31.33 | eshat | babilen: Yes, but sid aka unstable should not be affected too much by that. |
| 10:31.37 | nsvidas | babilen: I commented dotdeb since then, apt-get updated and so on |
| 10:31.40 | babilen | eshat: Try #debian-kde # irc.debian.org |
| 10:31.52 | eshat | babilen: I will. Thanks |
| 10:31.55 | nsvidas | babilen: I can paste new policy if you need it |
| 10:32.04 | JyZyXEL | modifying and removing files is just as much writing as creating files |
| 10:32.11 | babilen | nsvidas: I just believe you that dotdeb is gone |
| 10:33.09 | babilen | nsvidas: And you should consider using aptitude |
| 10:33.38 | nsvidas | babilen: okay |
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| 10:34.46 | babilen | nsvidas: Try getting your system into shape now - configure the partially installed packages, try to get lenny's libc6 installed and make sure that root's PATH is correct |
| 10:35.41 | nsvidas | Yes, working on that right now. |
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| 10:36.43 | crow | if i install debian testing Squeeze, once its out as stable apt-get should bring it stable rls and new installation isnt needed? |
| 10:38.49 | babilen | crow: That assumes that you use 'squeeze' and not 'testing' in your sources.list but yes. And use aptitude ;-) |
| 10:39.49 | nsvidas | babilen: I'm having PATH issues even though /sbin is inside the epoxrted variables. Any idea why? |
| 10:40.29 | hellyeah | hey |
| 10:40.32 | babilen | nsvidas: What are these issues? |
| 10:40.32 | crow | babilen once out to change in sources.list that.. but squeeze would be build from testing at that day... right.. |
| 10:40.39 | hellyeah | is there anyone who has hp deskjet 5740 |
| 10:40.42 | nsvidas | babilen: a sec, got something here |
| 10:40.59 | babilen | crow: squeeze == testing right now |
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| 10:42.04 | hellyeah | squeeze is always testing isnt it ? |
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| 10:44.13 | crow | babilen yea i know thats squeeze ist testing now. |
| 10:44.29 | Gwadaboug | hello room |
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| 10:44.47 | babilen | crow: I think you understood it correctly :-) |
| 10:44.49 | nsvidas | babilen: I think I finally nailed it. I wish I could say anything more about what exactly happened to cause problems. |
| 10:44.53 | Gwadaboug | i need your help for a little problem |
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| 10:45.26 | babilen | Gwadaboug: Consider it solved |
| 10:45.31 | nsvidas | babilen: thanks a lot for your suggestions and tips and huge thanks for the patience - I know you wasterd a lot of it on me |
| 10:45.48 | babilen | nsvidas: No problem - Everyhting is fine now? |
| 10:46.19 | hellyeah | i cannot find the package cups-image |
| 10:46.22 | hellyeah | what the hell |
| 10:46.24 | babilen | Gwadaboug: It might help if you let us know what your problem is ;-) |
| 10:46.38 | Gwadaboug | lol sorry |
| 10:46.54 | nsvidas | babilen: for now, it is. PATH needed something added. And essentials rebuilt |
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| 10:47.03 | Gwadaboug | i want install a ftp server, for that no probleme |
| 10:47.10 | babilen | !tell hellyeah -about cups setup |
| 10:47.21 | pupnik_ | fishing for a clue: does anyone know of a replacement for apt that is faster for embedded systems? apt takes O(N) to scan and update its databases |
| 10:47.27 | Gwadaboug | i nedd create account delete account or modify account |
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| 10:47.28 | Shadur | Gwadaboug: I recommend vsftpd. Pretty secure, easy to set up. |
| 10:48.13 | Gwadaboug | yes for me it's ok for the FTP |
| 10:48.32 | hellyeah | babilen, i need to have ppd file |
| 10:48.40 | Gwadaboug | but i search a web application for administer it |
| 10:48.41 | babilen | nsvidas: Ok, have fun recompiling postgresql. /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 10:48.43 | hellyeah | there is not my model in that page |
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| 10:48.46 | Gwadaboug | you know? |
| 10:48.50 | babilen | hellyeah: Does the vendor provide one? |
| 10:48.54 | hellyeah | i dont know how to produce ppd file |
| 10:48.55 | aburch | nsvidas: ldconfig, locale are in libc-bin when you use a newer libc6 package. |
| 10:49.07 | aburch | nsvidas: So you have only updated partially. |
| 10:49.08 | babilen | hellyeah: You can try a 'related' one and see how that works out .. |
| 10:49.10 | hellyeah | yes but i forgot the page and i cannot find |
| 10:49.17 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 10:49.46 | Gwadaboug | somebody know a web application for administer an FTP Server |
| 10:49.51 | Gwadaboug | please |
| 10:50.16 | Shadur | Urgh. |
| 10:50.31 | Gwadaboug | lol |
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| 10:50.35 | hellyeah | :D |
| 10:50.36 | pupnik_ | Gwadaboug: tons will |
| 10:50.40 | hellyeah | asmfms |
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| 10:50.52 | ambuli | hi all, is there any tool whith which i can parse debian/control files ? |
| 10:50.59 | pupnik_ | vi |
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| 10:51.04 | Gwadaboug | tons or asmfms, ok thank you i search |
| 10:51.24 | hellyeah | go to synaptic |
| 10:51.57 | ambuli | any kind help ? |
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| 10:53.19 | Gwadaboug | hellyeah & pupnik_ : i have'nt find :s |
| 10:53.32 | Gwadaboug | have you some url? |
| 10:54.02 | themill | ambuli: "parse" in what way? |
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| 10:54.29 | ambuli | themill, for example i want to get the list of packages under build-depends: ? |
| 10:54.29 | Gwadaboug | please |
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| 10:55.09 | ambuli | themill, ofcourse to use regular expression, but it could be nice if i have a library to parse it. |
| 10:56.38 | themill | ambuli: your bigger problem is that you can continue lines so it's a little fraught to do it with something like sed. But it's just rfc822 format and there are plenty of libraries for that |
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| 10:59.12 | verwilst | i have this output: http://pastebin.ca/1792421 . It should fetch the binary from the php-53 repo, no? |
| 10:59.28 | hellyeah | Greyhound-, |
| 10:59.34 | hellyeah | are you using debian |
| 10:59.58 | hellyeah | go to synaptic search for 'ftp' |
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| 11:00.10 | pupnik_ | Gwadaboug: phpmyadmin, webmin |
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| 11:00.59 | themill | verwilst: packages should only have the same version number if they are identical and in that case, it doesn't matter. |
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| 11:01.15 | hellyeah | i cannot find cups-image package |
| 11:01.31 | hellyeah | and hplip doesnt work correctly without that package |
| 11:01.41 | hellyeah | what is the repo that includes cups-image |
| 11:01.43 | hellyeah | ??? |
| 11:01.46 | verwilst | themill, well, one is compiled for php5.3, the other for 5.2 |
| 11:02.10 | verwilst | how would you handle it? call it -0dummy1~php53 ? |
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| 11:03.56 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:04.00 | hellyeah | someone help pls |
| 11:04.01 | themill | verwilst: having a different package name might be better, actually. But they're presumably not co-installable just as the php 5.2 and 5.3 packages are not co-installable, so it then doesn't really matter. Just use one repo or the other, not both |
| 11:04.21 | pupnik_ | hellyeah: google pool+cups-image |
| 11:04.38 | pupnik_ | er +"cups-image" |
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| 11:05.40 | verwilst | themill, so i should split the php5.2 packages out of the main repo and create a php-52 repo for it? |
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| 11:06.34 | hellyeah | pupnik_, warning: Missing REQUIRED dependency: cups-image (CUPS image - CUPS image development files) |
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| 11:06.45 | themill | dpkg: tell hellyeah about search |
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| 11:07.21 | hellyeah | themill, i am searching i am reading lots of page ? |
| 11:07.32 | pupnik_ | hellyeah: you should specify which distro has that problem |
| 11:07.33 | themill | verwilst: ahh,... presumably you have a regular mirror there too. Perhaps rename your 5.3 package to php5.3-apc and have it "provide" php-apc too. BTW debian has php-apc already, not php5-apc. |
| 11:07.42 | themill | hellyeah: "apt-cache search cups image" |
| 11:07.45 | pupnik_ | hellyeah: use sidux. we fix that shit |
| 11:07.46 | hellyeah | there is no package cups-image |
| 11:07.54 | hellyeah | i am using debian squeeze |
| 11:08.08 | pupnik_ | sidux fixes debian sid |
| 11:08.41 | hellyeah | can i pass sidux from debian |
| 11:08.44 | themill | pupnik_: why not just send patches... |
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| 11:09.38 | pupnik_ | themill: good question. |
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| 11:10.51 | hellyeah | themill, there is no cups-image package shit |
| 11:11.07 | themill | hellyeah: "apt-cache search cups image" |
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| 11:12.24 | dTal | His folks, I'm having a problem with build dependencies |
| 11:12.29 | dTal | *Hi |
| 11:13.14 | dnlrg | Hi |
| 11:13.23 | dTal | I'm trying to build libcairo using apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:14.34 | dTal | but it complains that the dependency for libdirectfb-dev (>= 0.9.25) isn't met |
| 11:15.14 | dTal | however I have libdirectfb-dev 1.4.1-2 |
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| 11:15.37 | dTal | which is greater than 0.9.25 isn't it? |
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| 11:17.08 | dTal | (libcairo2 actually, with the cairo source package) |
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| 11:18.06 | Gwadaboug | pupnik_: no, i don't want webmin, because it work with /etc/passwd |
| 11:18.08 | Gwadaboug | :s |
| 11:18.17 | Gwadaboug | it's not good |
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| 11:21.06 | hellyeah | themill, |
| 11:21.18 | hellyeah | no solution at all cups-image dependency error |
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| 11:21.57 | themill | hellyeah: please pastebin the command and the output of "apt-cache search cups image" |
| 11:22.09 | hellyeah | okey |
| 11:23.34 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15355 |
| 11:23.48 | hellyeah | i cannot install libcupsimage-dev because of conflict |
| 11:24.00 | hellyeah | debian cannot find a way to install that |
| 11:24.03 | themill | you don't need the -dev package and that's not the name of the package anyway |
| 11:24.38 | hellyeah | sorry i remember wrong |
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| 11:24.56 | hellyeah | but the point is hplip gives an error for package that does not exist in debian repo |
| 11:25.11 | hellyeah | because hplip script try to download package from debian repo |
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| 11:25.43 | themill | no it doesn't. Now just install the right package and you're done. |
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| 11:26.14 | hellyeah | right package doesnt exist cups-image |
| 11:26.21 | hellyeah | cups-image doesnt exist |
| 11:26.38 | themill | ffs READ THE OUTPUT YOU JUST PASTED |
| 11:26.44 | hanibana | anyone had any experience with this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-xen-devel/2009-January/002262.html ? |
| 11:27.05 | hanibana | I cann't fix it :( |
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| 11:27.25 | hellyeah | themill |
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| 11:27.32 | hellyeah | i install libcupsimage2 |
| 11:27.35 | helix84 | I just read last bits from the release team and I have one curious question about "We will use our release superpowers to aggressively remove leaf packages from testing" - what does it mean for a package to be removed from testing? that its version in testing will be downgraded to last stable version and current version will remain obly in sid? |
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| 11:28.06 | themill | helix84: remove means exactly that. It won't be in squeeze at all |
| 11:28.31 | dTal | anybody know what the deal is with the dependency thing? I'm at my wits end. |
| 11:28.52 | helix84 | themill: thanks |
| 11:29.03 | themill | helix84: so get out there and fix some rc-bugs! |
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| 11:30.36 | helix84 | themill: i'm afraid i don't have the developer skills but i'm doing my best in testing (i.e. increasing the bug number) :p ;) |
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| 11:31.37 | themill | helix84: many of these rc-bugs also need someone to confirm that they are still there or whether they really are RC. There's also lots of low-hanging fruit out there atm (as opposed to closer to release when only the really hard bugs are left) |
| 11:31.54 | redguy | Hi, can anyone tell me what is the difference between qemu-kvm and kvm packages in testing (besides the name)? |
| 11:32.33 | helix84 | themill: i'll take a look |
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| 11:33.48 | themill | redguy: check the package description |
| 11:34.20 | themill | redguy: e.g. go to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kvm |
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| 11:40.05 | hellyeah | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3 |
| 11:40.06 | hellyeah | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso.bin for module tg3 |
| 11:40.06 | hellyeah | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3 |
| 11:40.11 | hellyeah | someone know what this is |
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| 11:40.59 | ivers | hmm |
| 11:41.00 | ivers | mkinitramfs: for root /dev/sdb1 missing sdb /sys/block/ entry |
| 11:41.01 | ivers | mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most |
| 11:41.01 | ivers | mkinitramfs: Error please report the bug |
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| 11:41.56 | ChrisW | how can I sort the output of find by the age of the file? |
| 11:42.27 | ivers | wtf is wrong here ? http://paste.debian.net/59379/ sdb does not exist really |
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| 11:46.23 | themill | hellyeah: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 11:48.37 | strygies | Hello |
| 11:48.49 | strygies | On booting my debian it says not found for /etc/default/keymaps |
| 11:48.55 | strygies | It seems to be erased |
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| 11:49.14 | strygies | Is there a solution to retrieve the configuration in GRUB or shell via livecd |
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| 12:00.05 | Init_ | Hi |
| 12:00.34 | Init_ | I want to install testing or unstable version of Debian directly, but I don't found iso file ? |
| 12:00.58 | Init_ | in mirror |
| 12:01.18 | chellomere | install stable, then upgrade |
| 12:01.31 | Init_ | Ok thx |
| 12:01.42 | ujkanovic | can i ask something |
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| 12:02.04 | ajcc | Init_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:02.37 | Init_ | thx ajcc |
| 12:02.54 | Backup | where can i download iwlwifi-4955-1.ucode? |
| 12:03.01 | Backup | 4965* |
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| 12:06.39 | ujkanovic | i need help |
| 12:06.41 | ujkanovic | whit apt |
| 12:06.43 | ujkanovic | whit apg |
| 12:07.01 | petemc | just ask your question |
| 12:07.02 | sepult | what is apg ? |
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| 12:08.25 | dTal | Never mind, seems it wasn't configured. |
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| 12:10.39 | babilen | Backup: You probably want firmware-iwlwifi |
| 12:11.15 | babilen | !tell Backup -about apt-file |
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| 12:15.09 | Backup | babilen: i need it for the netinstall |
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| 12:15.23 | Backup | it sais i need the firware for the driver to work propperly |
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| 12:15.53 | Backup | i would use apt-get install firware-iwlwifi i could get online heh |
| 12:16.17 | Backup | if* |
| 12:17.52 | Init_ | what is module that kernel must have to run vboxdrv ? |
| 12:18.27 | Init_ | because when I run modprobe vboxdrv I have this error : FATAL: Error inserting vboxdrv (/lib/modules/2.6.31-gentoo-r6/misc/vboxdrv.ko): Kernel does not have module support |
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| 12:18.45 | Init_ | I conclude I need to compile my kernel with an module, but which ? |
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| 12:23.19 | themill | Init_: do you think you might be in the wrong channel? |
| 12:23.34 | wejick | can anyone try it? sisrestore.googlecode.com |
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| 12:24.15 | Init_ | kernel config is same for all distro isn't it ? |
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| 12:28.04 | SPF | how can I install debian from usb? WHen it boots from usb it needs the cdrom |
| 12:28.29 | DipSwitch | Init_: No not really most distro's compile there kernel with different settings |
| 12:28.45 | DipSwitch | Init_: you could also get your own kernel from kernel.org |
| 12:28.49 | Init_ | ok, but it's good I've find |
| 12:29.07 | Init_ | I write here because I want to test Debian in a Virtual Machine |
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| 12:30.30 | wols_ | !tell SPF about usb install |
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| 12:33.20 | wejick | SPF, from google http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 12:33.43 | wols_ | wejick: usb install is part of the official debian installer manual |
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| 12:35.09 | giupy | i use sid updated and kernel precompiled 2.6.32, when i startx i recive this error error setting MTRR (base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x08000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25)....... if i startx by root all goes well, any idea? |
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| 12:35.25 | DipSwitch | SPF: If you are working on a netbook, you do need an external CD drive, I had the same problem because for some reason the USB device wasn't supported by the setup kernel xD |
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| 12:37.33 | wols_ | giupy: have you tried different kernels? e.g. a lenny one maybe? |
| 12:38.27 | giupy | wols_: no,other kernel but 2.6.3 |
| 12:38.44 | liable | 1 |
| 12:38.46 | liable | ? |
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| 12:39.52 | giupy | 2.6.31 |
| 12:40.11 | giupy | but before last update all was ok |
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| 12:40.59 | SPF | DipSwitch: it is strainge, because the netinst iso wants to have a cdrom, but the mini iso does not |
| 12:41.11 | SPF | mini iso works fine, and without external cd drive! |
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| 12:41.34 | giupy | however it's strange, why X goes only with root ? |
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| 12:42.23 | DipSwitch | hmm weird SPF i really have no idea ^^ |
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| 12:43.14 | wols_ | giupy: file a bug and tell how 2.6.31 was ok, but 2.6.32 is not |
| 12:43.16 | babilen | !tell Backup -about installer firmware |
| 12:43.25 | wols_ | sounds like a permissions problem |
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| 12:43.27 | SPF | maybe someone else can explain why netinst does not work with usb boot? |
| 12:43.35 | babilen | Backup: you can download the package and install it from USB media |
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| 12:56.54 | SPF | wejick: do you know why usb boot does not work with netinst but does work with mini.iso? |
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| 12:57.23 | wejick | SPF, i never try it |
| 12:57.32 | SPF | oh ok |
| 12:57.49 | SPF | I thought, why not, haven't tried the mini.iso yet |
| 12:58.25 | wejick | SPF, google result? |
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| 13:00.08 | SPF | now I know it doesnt work, I can see some google results yes, but why not using unetbootin? much easier |
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| 13:01.29 | Backup | didnt work |
| 13:01.37 | Backup | netinstall fails at teh dhcp stage |
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| 13:03.19 | wish^ | how do i restart a program via commandline? |
| 13:03.31 | wols_ | depends on the program |
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| 13:03.49 | wols_ | what do you want to restart? |
| 13:03.49 | wejick | wish^, i think restart is shutdown program n start it again |
| 13:03.54 | wish^ | is it /etc/init.d/rtorrent restart? |
| 13:04.04 | wols_ | wish^: yes |
| 13:04.10 | wish^ | :D |
| 13:04.32 | wish^ | do i gotta be root ? |
| 13:04.52 | liable | rtorrent has an init script? |
| 13:04.52 | wejick | wish^, ya |
| 13:05.46 | wejick | wish^, or try this one 'killall rtorrent && rtorrent' |
| 13:06.04 | wish^ | then i have to boot it again and thats more complicated since its running in a screen |
| 13:06.41 | liable | if its running in a screen session, why do you need to restart it? |
| 13:06.47 | wols_ | a daemon that's started via /etc/init.d/ doesn't run in screen. so I doubt it works this way |
| 13:07.04 | wols_ | just connect to the screen session, kill rtorrent there and restart it there |
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| 13:07.19 | babilen | Backup: Do you try to connect to an encrypted WLAN? |
| 13:07.34 | igno | wish^: have a look at http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks#StartingrTorrentonSystemStartup there you have an init-script with screen for you |
| 13:07.45 | wish^ | i need to restart it because it is bugged |
| 13:07.56 | wish^ | but no worries, seems to work now |
| 13:08.05 | wish^ | thanks for all your help |
| 13:08.19 | Backup | babilen: yes, its wep encryptep |
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| 13:08.27 | Backup | and yes, i do have the key |
| 13:08.51 | Backup | i put in the essid and the wepkey, then hit enter, it then tries to get an ip from dhcp, but fails |
| 13:09.22 | Backup | i got the iwlwifi-4965-1.ucode in the root of the usb aswell |
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| 13:09.36 | babilen | Is it asking you for that firmware? |
| 13:10.01 | babilen | Do you get any debug messages on the other ttys? |
| 13:10.02 | Backup | when i choose detect network device yes, and i hit enter to load it from my usb |
| 13:10.38 | Backup | then i see my intel 4965 agn card in the network device list, i select it and get prompted for the essid and wepkey |
| 13:10.53 | Backup | no, i dont get any debug messages |
| 13:10.58 | babilen | Backup: I am not sure if you can connect to encrypted networks during netinstall - You could just install a bare system and install wpa_supplicant and take it from there. Or use a CD1/DVD1 to setup a complete system |
| 13:11.12 | babilen | Backup: Which version of Debian are you installing? |
| 13:11.20 | Backup | latest netinstall |
| 13:11.45 | babilen | Ok, that one "supports" encrypted WLAN connections |
| 13:11.50 | babilen | But it seems to fail somehow |
| 13:11.51 | Backup | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ from there |
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| 13:12.24 | Backup | yes, its fails at retrieveing ip configuration from the dhcp server |
| 13:12.27 | babilen | Can't you connect to the wired network/disable WEP for the installation (and btw WEP is *not* secure) |
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| 13:13.06 | Backup | hehe i am fully aware that wep isnt secure. its just that my landlord has controll over the AP |
| 13:13.26 | Backup | ive told him to switch encryption, but he doesnt seem to care |
| 13:14.15 | p0g0__ | Backup: can you manage to set an ip, gateway & dns by hand? As long as you get a supported unique IP address in the AP's network, you should be good. |
| 13:14.18 | babilen | alright - That also means that you can't connect to the wire network |
| 13:14.33 | Backup | p0g0__: i tried to to it manually, but to no avail |
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| 13:14.36 | babilen | I would download a CD1 of your liking and install from that |
| 13:14.48 | Backup | yeh, thats what im dong tm |
| 13:14.49 | Backup | atm* |
| 13:15.22 | babilen | Not sure what is going wrong there .. :-\ |
| 13:15.55 | p0g0__ | Backup: any idea what didn't work with that? |
| 13:16.38 | Backup | actually, i just noticed i set the gateway ip wrong. i will boot back to the netinstall, and see if i cant get it working with manual config |
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| 13:16.58 | Backup | ill let you know if i get it working |
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| 13:29.41 | nameless` | hi |
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| 13:29.59 | nameless` | i would like to install the libgtk 2.18, but i'm using debian 5.0 lenny |
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| 13:30.04 | nameless` | how can i do that in a proper way ? |
| 13:30.15 | Name1ess | waves to nameless` |
| 13:30.18 | nameless` | i just had to add the unstable repository in my sources.list ? |
| 13:30.25 | nameless` | Name1ess ? |
| 13:30.32 | Name1ess | Nice name XD |
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| 13:31.03 | nameless` | :] |
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| 13:31.07 | abrotman | nameless`: that's not a good idea |
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| 13:31.53 | Boku | (to avoid confusion) |
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| 13:32.23 | nameless` | abrotman: give me only the way to do that |
| 13:32.37 | wols_ | nameless`: do a backport |
| 13:33.04 | abrotman | nameless`: mixing versions of debian like that usually leads to breakage |
| 13:33.30 | nameless` | abrotman: if i ask this it is probably because i need it |
| 13:33.37 | abrotman | nameless`: for what? |
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| 13:33.48 | nameless` | abrotman: stop it |
| 13:33.54 | nameless` | abrotman: i don't have to justify myself |
| 13:33.56 | abrotman | okay .. keep the pieces |
| 13:34.08 | nameless` | abrotman: i have to modify the source code of a software |
| 13:34.16 | nameless` | that uses gtk 2.18 |
| 13:34.40 | wols_ | nameless`: we don't care if you want to run goatpr0nplayer 2.1b4. we're not judgemental |
| 13:35.25 | nameless` | wols_: obviously abrotman does not agree with you :] |
| 13:35.30 | matalo | what would my preprocess function be called if my theme is called "foo" and I wanted to define some variables for a "user-profile" content type ? |
| 13:35.41 | matalo | ahh wrong chan :@ sorry |
| 13:36.04 | abrotman | nameless`: i didn't ask you what software you wanted to run .. i just asked what for .. |
| 13:36.12 | wols_ | nameless`: he doesn't care either. but he's helpful and tries you to shield you from harm. but as usual, every good deed won't go unpunished |
| 13:36.19 | jelly | wonders how to get the debian menu when right-clicking on the desktop in kde4, instead of the desktop-context menu |
| 13:36.34 | wols_ | so feel free to fsck up your install, just don't come crying afterwards. In this case we _are_ judgemental |
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| 13:37.27 | babilen | nameless`: Just install a newer version of Debian in a virtual machine or use debootstrap |
| 13:38.08 | Boku | jelly: configure desktop > behavior (in KDE3 - it mught be similar in 4) |
| 13:38.13 | wols_ | babilen: easier to use a chroot in this case |
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| 13:38.21 | babilen | nameless`: That way you don't have to fuck with your installation |
| 13:38.37 | babilen | nameless`: Or just a chroot as wols_ suggested |
| 13:38.46 | ITXpander | hey guys, why was xorg-core 1.6.5 totally removed from the repos? |
| 13:39.00 | abrotman | ITXpander: because a newer version is available |
| 13:39.08 | wols_ | wonder if there is a guide how to do this: a full i386 debian inside the normal amd64 one |
| 13:39.12 | wols_ | is there such a guide? |
| 13:39.22 | abrotman | wols_: the amd64 stuff has something like that |
| 13:39.31 | nameless` | wols_: thanks it works great |
| 13:39.44 | ITXpander | abrotman: :\ i reinstalled my laptop right when then happened now i cant use the ati driver with the 1.7 |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | wols_: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 13:39.55 | ITXpander | are the packages somewhere? the snapshots repo doesnt have them |
| 13:39.55 | jelly | Boku: thanks, but it seems system-settings is much different than old kcontrol. I prefered the old tree-style setup, but... |
| 13:40.00 | abrotman | ITXpander: cannot .. |
| 13:40.03 | abrotman | AFAIK |
| 13:40.17 | wols_ | the amd64 stuff has something like lib32 packages, but that's not the same thing. a full debian install (minus the kernel) would allow to have any 32bit library one desires at the cost of some diskspace |
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| 13:40.47 | haxi | hello everyone |
| 13:41.09 | haxi | I'm having some big trouble with my wifi connection since I installed 2.6.32 |
| 13:41.11 | ITXpander | abrotman: not too bothered but i lost about 1:30h battery life with the open driver till KMS gets more stable |
| 13:41.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | 1:30h? thats the total life of my battery *g* |
| 13:42.09 | ITXpander | lol |
| 13:42.37 | haxi | lol |
| 13:42.50 | haxi | my battery total life is about 30 mins. |
| 13:43.14 | wols_ | ITXpander: intel graphics? |
| 13:43.39 | ITXpander | ati |
| 13:44.10 | haxi | I can't connect to any wpa network |
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| 13:44.37 | wols_ | cause the latest intel drivers support KMS only from now on |
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| 13:45.22 | fggs_ | nm-tool is giving this error, does anybody know why? WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: |
| 13:45.22 | fggs_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:47.46 | Skeeter- | whats the best way to access a Microsoft exchange account with debian |
| 13:47.54 | ITXpander | well it would be cool to find the 1.6.5 packages and pin them down till i can solve this |
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| 13:49.09 | sep | Skeeter-, depends on the exchange version |
| 13:49.20 | sep | i have not found any that can deal with the latest in any sane way |
| 13:49.36 | Skeeter- | 2003 |
| 13:49.59 | sep | if there is owa enabeled i belive thare are plugins for evolution and thunderbird/icedove |
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| 13:50.20 | st4rscr34m | I got debian running on my laptop, but I think I'm missing drivers because wireless and hardline internet won't work. |
| 13:50.28 | sep | unless you can deal with mail only then you just need to convince exchange admin to enable imap |
| 13:50.33 | sep | and use any imap client |
| 13:50.54 | Skeeter- | sep: i was looking for a calendar, contacts emails client |
| 13:51.01 | Skeeter- | i will give a try to evolution |
| 13:51.16 | wols_ | st4rscr34m: what network chips does the laptop use? |
| 13:51.33 | Skeeter- | st4rscr34m, did u bring up the interfaces |
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| 13:53.16 | fggs_ | nm-tool is giving this error, does anybody know why? WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: |
| 13:53.23 | fggs_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.47 | Skeeter- | sep: i just want to throw windows 7 away but the internal politics ask that i can have access to my mails at any time |
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| 14:00.54 | sep | Skeeter-, I told the ceo he could take my linux when he pried it from my cold dead fingers. have not had questions since. you just have to decide what you need the most. your job or your nix :) |
| 14:01.21 | petemc | Skeeter-: can you use outlook web access ? |
| 14:01.40 | Skeeter- | web access kinda suck... |
| 14:01.48 | wols_ | Skeeter-: with enough RAM: virtualbox? |
| 14:02.00 | wols_ | basically a VM for outlook only |
| 14:02.01 | sep | especialy when you get the reduced crippeled owa when you dont run IE |
| 14:02.11 | Skeeter- | wols_, ya, i thjough about a tiny xp with microsoft exchange |
| 14:02.36 | jelly | Skeeter-: you don't have access to owa? |
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| 14:03.40 | Skeeter- | wats owa |
| 14:04.04 | jelly | Outlook Web Access. Exchange's webmail. |
| 14:04.07 | khem_ | can anybody give me advice on how i can map ctrl (25) + 3B to left tag and ctrl (25) + 3C to right tag aswell as ctrl (25) + 33 to pipe with xmodmap? |
| 14:04.45 | st4rscr34m | Sorry, windowed out. |
| 14:04.57 | Skeeter- | i have access to it |
| 14:05.01 | Skeeter- | i dont like the interface |
| 14:05.02 | jelly | khem_: what is "left tag"? |
| 14:05.10 | khem_ | can anybody give me advice on how i can map ctrl (25) + 3B to left tag and ctrl (25) + 3C to right tag aswell as ctrl (25) + 33 to pipe with xmodmap? |
| 14:05.19 | khem_ | jelly: tag as in html tag :P |
| 14:05.39 | jelly | khem_: I don't get it, sorry. |
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| 14:06.12 | jelly | khem_: do you mean the less-than character, "<"? |
| 14:06.19 | khem_ | i want to map ctrl + keycode 3b to the character for html tag and vice verce |
| 14:06.25 | st4rscr34m | Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN Mini-card |
| 14:06.34 | jelly | khem_: wtf is "html tag"? |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: do you have the PCIID ? |
| 14:06.46 | khem_ | jelly: yes that character |
| 14:06.58 | khem_ | that i cannot produce on my thai/us keyboard with swedish key layout :-p |
| 14:07.00 | DarkHack | why is Debian's repositories so out-of-date? |
| 14:07.05 | jelly | khem_: does xkeycaps work for you? |
| 14:07.06 | st4rscr34m | He means html entity I think. |
| 14:07.08 | nsvidas | Hey again. If I have an application installed via manual compilation and debian by itself has a same thing installed as well and it's in /sbin/something, how can I make the system look for that something in /my/own/something? |
| 14:07.12 | st4rscr34m | like |
| 14:07.19 | joltcan | DarkHack: Depends on which release you are running |
| 14:07.19 | khem_ | hard to be native from another country and purchase a notebook here :-p |
| 14:07.22 | nsvidas | I tried specifying a path in .profile but I guess I didn't do a good job |
| 14:07.25 | st4rscr34m | PCIID? |
| 14:07.26 | DarkHack | Debian 5.0 Lenny |
| 14:07.29 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't 'man fusermount' display a list of mount options |
| 14:07.34 | themill | dpkg: tell DarkHack about stable |
| 14:07.43 | khem_ | jelly: yes i got the app but i dont undersatnd how i do to create "combinations" like ctrl+ and keycode 3B together |
| 14:07.56 | joltcan | DarkHack: Since debian supports so many different platforms it takes time make all of them stable |
| 14:08.09 | khem_ | and i dont find the character for "html tag" as choice |
| 14:08.10 | DarkHack | ah |
| 14:08.12 | DarkHack | so |
| 14:08.23 | joltcan | DarkHack: If you need newer stuff, look into running testing or unstable (or another dist), or even compile it yourself |
| 14:08.26 | DarkHack | is there a suggested list that is more..up-to-date so to speak? |
| 14:08.32 | DarkHack | what "version" |
| 14:08.44 | wols_ | nsvidas: do you need the debian version of the app? why not make your own package? |
| 14:08.46 | joltcan | DarkHack: Look into testing to begin with |
| 14:08.50 | wols_ | or even fake it via equivs? |
| 14:08.59 | st4rscr34m | khem_: just use < and > |
| 14:08.59 | themill | DarkHack: lenny works just fine. Stick to stable unless you know how to unbreak things. |
| 14:09.05 | wols_ | normally, what comes first in path, gets used first btw |
| 14:09.19 | jelly | khem_: they're NOT CALLED "html tag", but less-than / greater-than or < and >! |
| 14:09.30 | nsvidas | wols_: well I didn't really think of those options so thanks for the hints! |
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| 14:10.24 | jelly | khem_: xkeycaps seems to call them just "less" and "greater" |
| 14:11.08 | khem_ | jelly: how do i do to create bind key combos then? |
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| 14:11.49 | themill | khem_: given that you probably already have < and > on your keyboard, I'm guessing we really don't understand your question. Start again.... |
| 14:12.02 | jelly | themill: he doesn't, and wants to have them |
| 14:12.13 | themill | what sort of keyboard is this? |
| 14:12.30 | jelly | <khem_> that i cannot produce on my thai/us keyboard with swedish key layout :-p |
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| 14:13.06 | jelly | khem_: do you have a key between left shift and y/z? |
| 14:13.32 | st4rscr34m | The PCI ID isn't in the PCI DB. |
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| 14:14.15 | themill | st4rscr34m: that doesn't stop you from telling us what it is |
| 14:14.16 | jelly | khem_: on a 102 or 105 key PC keyboard, that key _should_ generate < and > by default in .se layout |
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| 14:15.03 | st4rscr34m | It is a Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN Mini-card. |
| 14:15.13 | st4rscr34m | My apologies if I didn't say it already. |
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| 14:15.41 | themill | st4rscr34m: that's still not the PCI-Id. It's a 8-character code like 1234:5678 |
| 14:16.20 | jelly | khem_: but to answer your question, I don't know how to bind ctrl+key to something in xkeycaps, either... twas a long time since I last used it |
| 14:16.24 | JyZyXEL | (FileNode.cpp:226) mknod error: Permission denied |
| 14:16.42 | JyZyXEL | how do i allow mknod's for a user? |
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| 14:17.43 | khem_ | jelly: right next to my left shift there is "z and x" |
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| 14:19.35 | st4rscr34m | Well, I don't know how to get that. |
| 14:20.09 | jelly | JyZyXEL: you can only create named fifos as a user, creating devices would be a security risk |
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| 14:20.40 | themill | st4rscr34m: "lspci -nn" I presumed you already had that since you have someone verified that the device is not in the PCI database |
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| 14:20.51 | JyZyXEL | i seem to be getting permission denied even when trying to make filenodes |
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| 14:22.08 | jelly | JyZyXEL: what are filenodes, sorry? |
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| 14:23.35 | JyZyXEL | don't know |
| 14:23.45 | JyZyXEL | (encfs.cpp:257) mknod on /media/raid/.backup/ZbltfWyv1yqu4COP0nEr,1-j, mode 33188, dev 0 |
| 14:23.47 | JyZyXEL | (FileNode.cpp:226) mknod error: Permission denied |
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| 14:25.15 | jelly | JyZyXEL: what is the exact command or syscall that process is trying to run? What are the arguments to mknod()? |
| 14:25.15 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't tell |
| 14:25.15 | jelly | JyZyXEL: well, find out |
| 14:25.22 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how |
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| 14:25.41 | jelly | you might have to use gdb |
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| 14:25.56 | st4rscr34m | Well, I looked it up, and it is unsupported. |
| 14:26.00 | st4rscr34m | Is there anything I can do. |
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| 14:26.08 | jelly | JyZyXEL: and debug the application until that point |
| 14:26.13 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: lspci -nn .. the xxxx:xxxx is the pciid |
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| 14:26.18 | themill | st4rscr34m: there's not a thing we can tell you if you don't tell us the pciid. |
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| 14:26.45 | abrotman | ignores backscroll! |
| 14:27.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: I suppose you've already checked that the user you're running the app as, has write permissions for that directory |
| 14:27.12 | st4rscr34m | I just looked it up and it said it isn't supported anyway. |
| 14:27.29 | JyZyXEL | jelly: yes |
| 14:27.31 | themill | gives up |
| 14:28.05 | st4rscr34m | Well wtf ever themill, I don't know how to give you the fucking pciid. |
| 14:28.19 | babilen | st4rscr34m: 'lspci -nn' |
| 14:28.28 | themill | st4rscr34m: "lspci -nn" . Just as I told you before. And abrotman told you. |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: lspci -nn .. it shows you the pciid .. it's the [24af:2134] at the end of the line .. (that's an example, yours won't be that) |
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| 14:29.18 | themill | And you looked it up in the PCI database without the PCI-Id is beyond me. |
| 14:29.35 | sc | st4rscr34m: lspci -nn |
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| 14:30.14 | st4rscr34m | I'm on win7 right now, I can't just do that, sorry. |
| 14:30.20 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: yes, you can |
| 14:30.32 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: windows has that information also |
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| 14:31.14 | themill | Telling us that 25 minutes ago would have been helpful. |
| 14:31.27 | warl0u | oh, hi |
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| 14:31.43 | warl0u | how i can solve this little proble with Pebrot |
| 14:31.46 | warl0u | usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/pypebrot/MSN.py:7: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use hashlib instead? |
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| 14:32.09 | themill | warl0u: it's a warning. You can just ignore it. |
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| 14:32.21 | themill | (until you want to run that code with python3, that is) |
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| 14:32.43 | warl0u | ya, i know that, but this show it in the run of the program |
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| 14:33.15 | warl0u | sorry for my english. |
| 14:33.23 | st4rscr34m | Well, I thought you could do it, but I check the device manager, and couldn't find it. |
| 14:33.47 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: you didn't look in the right place, it is htere |
| 14:34.11 | themill | warl0u: you can do something like this in your code: "import warnings\nwarnings.filterwarnings("ignore", r".*md5.*", DeprecationWarning, "MSN") |
| 14:34.12 | martianlobster | what permission mask should I use for .ssh/id_dsa? if I use 777, then I get an error message from openssh, that my files permissions are too liberal, and it refuses to use this file. If I try 006 then it rsa authentication doesn't work either, but I get prompted for a pasphrase, and password when I try to ssh to my other machines. |
| 14:34.24 | martianlobster | I must have "upgraded" oppenssh by accident |
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| 14:34.33 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: http://www.modemsite.com/56k/IMAGES/modemprop3.gif .. like that picture |
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| 14:35.02 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: in that picture, the PCIID would be [14f1:2013] |
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| 14:35.32 | st4rscr34m | 14E4:4315 |
| 14:35.48 | themill | ,pciid 14E4:4315 |
| 14:35.50 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 14:35.56 | warl0u | themill, just ADD on the top ? |
| 14:36.29 | themill | st4rscr34m: that card should be supported by the "wl" driver, according to judd's database. See http://wiki.debian.org/wl for details |
| 14:36.59 | babilen | warl0u: I would put it after the import section |
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| 14:37.09 | themill | warl0u: add it just after any other imports that in the file or in the file that you use to import that module |
| 14:37.12 | st4rscr34m | Thank you. |
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| 14:37.23 | warl0u | kk |
| 14:37.27 | warl0u | ill try |
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| 14:40.25 | st4rscr34m | This installation guide seems to require an internet connection... |
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| 14:41.59 | sc | st4rscr34m: lspci -nn |
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| 14:42.35 | st4rscr34m | Okay, wtf sc. I gave them the PCI ID already. |
| 14:42.42 | st4rscr34m | Are you trolling me or something now? |
| 14:43.06 | themill | st4rscr34m: you can put the necessary packages onto a usb stick or similar, but it will be a bit of work to actually get all the packages together |
| 14:43.48 | warl0u | nothing |
| 14:43.51 | warl0u | well |
| 14:43.52 | st4rscr34m | Well, this should work once I have internet. |
| 14:44.00 | Tw33k^ | i was in here yesterday with some problems with my bootloader |
| 14:44.03 | warl0u | errors whit the lines |
| 14:44.04 | Tw33k^ | still having issues and had some questions |
| 14:44.13 | st4rscr34m | And my hardline wasn't working either, probably another driver issue? |
| 14:44.13 | Tw33k^ | i believe I need to have a small boot partition to get my system bootstrapped |
| 14:44.27 | Tw33k^ | can someone point me to a good guide to create a small boot partition and boot from it instead of using mbr? |
| 14:44.34 | Tw33k^ | i'm trying to run lenny |
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| 14:45.50 | babilen | st4rscr34m: And once again the pciid of your NIC might help. If you want to make your life easier with these 'offline' installs have a look at apt-offline. /msg dpkg apt offline |
| 14:45.51 | sc | st4rscr34m: sorry. testing my auto answer script, it was malfunctioning |
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| 14:46.55 | warl0u | ty, i g2g |
| 14:46.57 | warl0u | cya |
| 14:47.00 | jelly | Tw33k^: er, the point of small /boot partitions in front is so that stupid MBR code can access them; you still use that mbr |
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| 14:47.39 | Tw33k^ | jelly: yea for stage1 right |
| 14:48.02 | Tw33k^ | i don't know how to set grub up to use stage1 from mbr then stage1.5/2 from /boot |
| 14:48.13 | jelly | I guess grub2 didn't work out, eh? |
| 14:48.42 | jelly | Tw33k^: you just create /boot as small first partition and hope for the best |
| 14:48.54 | Tw33k^ | i did that |
| 14:48.55 | st4rscr34m | 11AB:4354 |
| 14:49.00 | jelly | (in other words, install as usual) |
| 14:49.01 | Tw33k^ | and no grub2 borked it completely |
| 14:49.20 | babilen | , pciid 11AB:4354 |
| 14:49.22 | judd | [11ab:4354] is '88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4354 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 14:49.28 | Tw33k^ | i've got /boot on a 300mb partition at the beginning of the drive |
| 14:49.38 | jelly | Tw33k^: alright, that's nice |
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| 14:49.56 | Tw33k^ | still not working |
| 14:50.31 | jelly | Tw33k^: you can try: install grub1 on /dev/sda1, install a DOS-style mbr back in MBR, and set that partition bootable flag in the p.table |
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| 14:51.01 | Backup | both automaticaly and manual configuration of a encrypted network does not seem to work with the latest debian netinstall |
| 14:51.21 | Tw33k^ | the boot flag should tell the bios to go to the flagged partition by default shouldnt it? |
| 14:51.29 | Tw33k^ | this box has never had a dos style mbr |
| 14:51.59 | jelly | Tw33k^: (it tells the mbr code that, but yes. Also, it's an IBM machine so who knows... |
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| 14:52.42 | Tw33k^ | its so fucked though |
| 14:52.47 | Tw33k^ | sorry - language |
| 14:52.54 | Tw33k^ | it JUST WORKED the other day |
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| 14:53.38 | jelly | Tw33k^: do you have a copy of that other day MBR code? |
| 14:53.46 | Tw33k^ | no |
| 14:53.49 | Tw33k^ | debian wiped it |
| 14:56.14 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: your wired connection should 'Just Work' |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: you said this was Lenny? 5.0.4? |
| 14:56.28 | Evil | I can't get the default kernel to load... http://paste2.org/p/660619 |
| 14:56.44 | Evil | it loads 2.6.30 instead. |
| 14:57.04 | jelly | Tw33k^: tough luck. It would be nice to send a debian-installer report thingy to d-i people though |
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| 14:58.21 | jelly | Tw33k^: ibm might have a floppy image that restores original mbr code, they have one for my thinkpad |
| 14:59.01 | Evil | any help on the kernel...? |
| 14:59.38 | Tw33k^ | jelly: hm |
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| 14:59.58 | jelly | Tw33k^: (_if_ it's mbr code that's in error... that's just a wild guess) |
| 14:59.58 | abrotman | Evil: the default is an index .. not a kernel .. so choose "0" |
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| 15:00.11 | Tw33k^ | i know |
| 15:00.15 | Tw33k^ | too many variables |
| 15:00.19 | abrotman | Evil: it's interpreting your 2.30.bpo as you want the second item in the list |
| 15:00.27 | phlux | jesus christ.. I can NOT seem to color a nick in irssi |
| 15:00.41 | abrotman | phlux: what about me?! |
| 15:00.42 | st4rscr34m | It is the latest debian stable. |
| 15:00.51 | st4rscr34m | Downloaded last night, installed this morning. |
| 15:01.03 | phlux | abrotman: I'm trying to make all nicks red with white <>'s. |
| 15:01.07 | phlux | but for some reason it won't color |
| 15:01.09 | Evil | thanks abrotman, i'll reboot now |
| 15:01.11 | abrotman | phlux: #irssi ? |
| 15:01.21 | st4rscr34m | I don't get why the wired didn't just work, should I try it again or something? |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: dmesg | grep eth .. (i know you're in windows) .. see if there are any useful messages |
| 15:01.32 | phlux | No one's ever around |
| 15:01.42 | abrotman | phlux: be patient .. i've gotten help in there before |
| 15:01.52 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: did you have the network plugged in when you installed ? |
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| 15:02.04 | st4rscr34m | no |
| 15:02.26 | st4rscr34m | I could reinstall it if I had to though. :/ |
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| 15:03.00 | abrotman | st4rscr34m: so it's probably not configured .. reboot into debian .. 'dmesg | grep eth' .. if it detects it, try 'dhclient3 eth0' to see if it will configure it .. if so edit the /etc/network/interfaces to have 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 15:03.01 | jelly | Tw33k^: you can make a custom grub cd always leave that in :-D |
| 15:03.23 | ch_ | hi everyone, how do I choose those components at the end of a line in /etc/apt/sources.list? thes things like: contrib, main, non-free... |
| 15:03.30 | ch_ | these* |
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| 15:03.46 | st4rscr34m | I need a pen... |
| 15:03.48 | charzero | ch_: Just end the line with " main contrib non-free" |
| 15:04.07 | ch_ | but what do they mean? |
| 15:04.33 | abrotman | ch_: they are different repositories .. main are items that are DFSG-free .. contrib depend on items in non-free |
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| 15:04.45 | wols_ | ch_: those are repositories. a "main", a "contrib" and a "non-free" one. |
| 15:04.48 | abrotman | simplifies it greatly ... |
| 15:05.13 | ch_ | ic |
| 15:05.23 | wols_ | main is the main debian stuff, non-free is software that is not Free (like adobe flash or such), and contrib is basically a middle of both. e.g. is free but needs non-free to work |
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| 15:06.03 | Evil | abrotman, still ended up in 2.6.30 |
| 15:06.20 | abrotman | Evil: paste the file again |
| 15:06.34 | ch_ | are these the official repositories? or are there more to choose from? |
| 15:06.50 | abrotman | ch_: only 'main' is truly official |
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| 15:06.57 | st4rscr34m | wish me luck. |
| 15:07.06 | Evil | abrotman, this is how it is now -> http://paste2.org/p/660635 |
| 15:07.07 | ch_ | ok |
| 15:07.48 | abrotman | Evil: that should be all you need ... |
| 15:08.15 | Evil | # uname -r --> |
| 15:08.15 | Evil | 2.6.30 |
| 15:08.16 | ch_ | does the does the order have any meaning? |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | no |
| 15:08.50 | abrotman | Evil: if you run 'update-grub' .. what is the resulting file ? |
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| 15:08.55 | Evil | would the Bootloader being lilo make a diff? |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | uh .. yes |
| 15:09.04 | Evil | oh sorry, i didn't mention that lol |
| 15:09.21 | abrotman | wonders why people still use lilo ... |
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| 15:09.28 | Evil | i didn't install it |
| 15:09.37 | Evil | it was installed alredy when i got the server |
| 15:09.57 | jelly | abrotman: because it works |
| 15:10.03 | abrotman | jelly: until it breaks .. |
| 15:10.08 | Evil | lol |
| 15:10.09 | abrotman | LI LI LI LI LI LI LI |
| 15:10.19 | helo | grub rescue> |
| 15:10.28 | jelly | abrotman: that only happens if you mess with it |
| 15:10.47 | Evil | jelly, the lilo is messing with me lol |
| 15:11.18 | helo | maybe use lilo because the grub camp abandoned grub-legacy, while grub2 continued to have boot-breaking bugs |
| 15:11.19 | abrotman | jelly: you mean .. like try to use it? :) |
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| 15:11.31 | abrotman | helo: i use grub2 in tons of places .. hasn't puked yet |
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| 15:11.42 | charzero | How was Linux booted before LILO? |
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| 15:11.55 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: try using the unstable branch :-D |
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| 15:12.01 | helo | i lost had to overnight an entirely rebuilt server because of poor error checking in grub-install |
| 15:12.05 | Evil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:12.17 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: that's your fault .. i know you don't read anything, but apt-listbugs would help you |
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| 15:13.04 | xoz | has to use lilo in cases where vmware does not work as a last resort especially in unstable. |
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| 15:13.30 | abrotman | wonders if st4rscr34m hates us yet ... |
| 15:13.48 | ch_ | do I cover updates for all the software I have on a standard stable installation with these 2 repositories: "packages" and "security"? |
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| 15:13.52 | Evil | wonders if he can get the kernel to load and get vmware working |
| 15:14.11 | st4rscr34m | dmesq and dhclient3 both weren't found |
| 15:14.28 | wols_ | st4rscr34m: don't you mean dnsmasq or dmesg? |
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| 15:15.16 | wols_ | abrotman: my grub2 already puked. it gives me a black screen. it still works tho, I just have to navigate blind. just rebooted one day (from windows) and it was broken |
| 15:15.22 | st4rscr34m | fuck |
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| 15:15.35 | abrotman | wols_: hasn't happened |
| 15:15.40 | abrotman | st4grr |
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| 15:17.52 | Evil | is there any solution of gnome keyboardmap screwup ? |
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| 15:20.47 | Evil | how do i set grub as default? |
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| 15:21.47 | ch_ | abrotman, wols_: do I cover updates for all the software I have on a standard stable installation with these 2 repositories: "packages" and "security"? |
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| 15:22.08 | Cucciolo^889x^ | Ciao a Tutto il Canale!!! |
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| 15:22.15 | abrotman | !it |
| 15:22.16 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:22.26 | abrotman | ch_: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 15:23.02 | xrfang | how to modify LVM setting after installation ? I would like to use the user-interface that is same as the setup program -- if available. (Server installation, no X). thanks |
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| 15:23.50 | st4rscr34m | Okay, well dmesg worked this time. |
| 15:23.56 | st4rscr34m | By no dhclient3 |
| 15:24.14 | st4rscr34m | Also, my hardline internet doesn't work on my windows install either. |
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| 15:24.26 | ch_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/meee50c0 |
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| 15:25.33 | st4rscr34m | s/By/But |
| 15:26.36 | abrotman | ch_: that should basically be enough |
| 15:26.52 | ch_ | ok, thx |
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| 15:28.44 | st4rscr34m | anyone? |
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| 15:30.11 | pflanze | Hello. I'm still looking for a french<->german *offline* dictionary. Any real tips? I've checked dict-freedict-deu-fra but that one is *tiny*. |
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| 15:30.35 | xrfang | what is the name of the debian installer (text mode)? I hope I can re-run it on the installed system (to configure things such as lvm). |
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| 15:30.43 | pflanze | I can even program the lookup myself; the problem is mainly not the program, but the data. |
| 15:30.55 | wols_ | xrfang: no there |
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| 15:31.20 | xoz | xrfang: base-config? |
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| 15:31.32 | xrfang | xoz: I hope so. let me try |
| 15:31.43 | Tw33k^ | arg |
| 15:31.54 | Tw33k^ | installed grub2 to mbr/sda1 using karmic live disc |
| 15:32.00 | Tw33k^ | grub hard disk error |
| 15:32.00 | xrfang | nothing called base-config... |
| 15:32.02 | Tw33k^ | STILL |
| 15:32.05 | Tw33k^ | :| |
| 15:33.34 | esaym153 | howdy, I just updated to the latest version of network-manager in testing and now wireless will not connect. Any ideas what chaned? |
| 15:34.22 | Devastator | nm-tool is giving this error, does anybody know why? WARNING **: error: failed to read connections from org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings: The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings was not provided by any .service files |
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| 15:35.10 | babilen | Devastator: You might want to ask in #nm too |
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| 15:35.48 | xoz | base-config stopped appearing before lenny and etch... |
| 15:35.51 | Devastator | thanks babilen |
| 15:36.02 | babilen | Devastator: Have you configured /etc/network/interfaces according to the instructions? |
| 15:36.39 | babilen | Devastator: I've heard that people are happy with wicd as well. It is available from backports in lenny. |
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| 15:37.06 | babilen | !tell Devastator -about networkmanager |
| 15:37.55 | babilen | Devastator: Check is your setup matches that described on the wiki and README.Debian |
| 15:38.09 | babilen | esaym153: A look at /var/log/daemon.log might give some clues |
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| 15:41.17 | Evil | can someone help with -> http://www.imgcentre.com/img/uploads/big/e9b22bd80a.png .. the keyboard map is haywire |
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| 15:44.47 | esaym153 | babilenã wait_for_connection_expired(): connection 2 /org/freedesktop/networkmanagersettings/4 failed to activate (timeout) |
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| 15:46.10 | babilen | esaym153: I don't use nm and do not develop it. But paste a little context to a pastebin and we'll have a look |
| 15:46.54 | esaym153 | (very hard to paste with no internet) |
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| 15:47.47 | babilen | Yeah - I can see the problem :) |
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| 15:48.42 | babilen | It looks like the connection attempt times out. I have no idea why it does though :-\ |
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| 15:51.23 | babilen | esaym153: Try connecting with wpa_supplicant ... see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 15:53.37 | babilen | esaym153: And paste the daemon.log then. You might also want to try wicd or use wpa_supplicant's roaming mode .. |
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| 15:56.53 | SparFux | Hi all. When configuring virtual devices in ifupdown, how to determine the underlying physical network device? |
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| 16:05.13 | Tw33k^ | installed lilo, changed one character in the conf, ran lilo |
| 16:05.14 | Tw33k^ | works |
| 16:05.21 | Tw33k^ | grub -> out the window |
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| 16:12.12 | haxi | yep |
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| 16:15.11 | haxi | do anyone know where I can find a linux kernel 2.6.27 package for my debian testing? |
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| 16:17.40 | Cain | haxi : kernel.org |
| 16:17.52 | abrotman | haxi: there isn't one .. why do you want tha tone ? |
| 16:18.08 | haxi | abrotman: I have some serious problems with my wifi |
| 16:18.20 | abrotman | and you think an older kernel will help /. |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:18.25 | haxi | mh, yep |
| 16:18.29 | haxi | let me explain |
| 16:18.41 | abrotman | sticks his fingers in his ears |
| 16:18.51 | haxi | :p |
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| 16:18.51 | haxi | I just reinstalled brand new debian, and my wifi is not working |
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| 16:19.09 | haxi | and it wasn't working on my old system since I updated my kernel to .32 |
| 16:19.33 | abrotman | haxi: which wifi device is it? |
| 16:19.35 | haxi | iwl3945 |
| 16:19.50 | haxi | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 16:19.55 | abrotman | do you have the firmware installed ? |
| 16:20.06 | haxi | yep |
| 16:20.20 | haxi | the brand new, too |
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| 16:21.10 | haxi | and the little led of my wifi card is blue (this is good sign) |
| 16:21.22 | haxi | I can scan with iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 16:21.36 | haxi | but I can't ifup wlan0 |
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| 16:21.47 | sc | my wifi WAS working, then I updated my debian sid/squeeze laptop and now it wont connect to access points, although it shows them |
| 16:21.47 | abrotman | did you try it with an open AP ? |
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| 16:21.55 | haxi | mhhh |
| 16:22.00 | sc | seems to be different problem then what you are reporting haxi |
| 16:22.23 | haxi | abrotman: you mean disable protection of my router? I guess |
| 16:22.25 | haxi | let me try |
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| 16:24.18 | haxi | sc: what do you mean? ^^ |
| 16:24.34 | haxi | abrotman: nope, it's neither working... :/ |
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| 16:24.58 | sc | i have wlan0 interface, with proper drivers, it seems to transmit and receive packets, just wont establish a connection to my access point since I upgraded |
| 16:25.11 | haxi | No DHCPOFFERS received. No working leases in persistent database - sleeping. |
| 16:25.45 | wols_ | haxi: anything in the logs about association? any iwconfig output for it? |
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| 16:26.10 | wols_ | sc: which drivers do you use? |
| 16:26.25 | haxi | wols_: mh, which logs? :-/ |
| 16:26.36 | wols_ | kernel logs, syslog |
| 16:26.43 | haxi | excuse me I'm a beginner, you probably noticed ;) |
| 16:27.20 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.00 | haxi | hoo |
| 16:28.10 | haxi | in iwconfig, seems that I'm connected to my wifi |
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| 16:28.14 | haxi | let me paste it :) |
| 16:28.22 | wols_ | not here. use a pastebin |
| 16:28.29 | haxi | don't worry ;) |
| 16:28.46 | haxi | http://pastebin.com/m1381264c |
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| 16:29.11 | wols_ | "Access Point: Not-Associated " |
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| 16:30.07 | haxi | wols_: that means I'm in a deep shit? :-' |
| 16:30.21 | wols_ | no it means you arenot connected to the AP. |
| 16:30.23 | rca | hi. i have an issue with postfix on a virtual server, postfix start works, but /etc/init.d/postfix start simply exits with absolutely no output |
| 16:30.46 | haxi | wols_: Well basicly, it's my problem ^^ |
| 16:30.53 | haxi | i can't connect -_- |
| 16:30.53 | rca | it doesn't even print "Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent", and an strace gives no clues :( |
| 16:30.54 | wols_ | rca: check logs |
| 16:31.31 | haxi | abrotman: any idea, |
| 16:31.32 | haxi | ? |
| 16:31.41 | abrotman | haxi: what is pan0 ? |
| 16:31.44 | rca | wols_: the postfix logs, /var/log/mail.*? they are never created |
| 16:31.49 | haxi | no idea :-° |
| 16:31.55 | rca | only if i used postfix start, then they work as normal |
| 16:31.56 | xyan | bluetooth |
| 16:32.02 | abrotman | rca: strace it ? |
| 16:32.02 | xyan | haxi: im using iwl3945 on 2.6.32 and it works flawless |
| 16:32.17 | haxi | oh... testing? |
| 16:32.20 | wols_ | rca: yes they are.syslog too. but if they are never created something in the script is broken. how do you start the script? |
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| 16:32.28 | xyan | sid/custom kernel |
| 16:32.37 | rca | abrotman: yes, i did, but there were no clues. the last few lines are: |
| 16:32.47 | wols_ | haxi: have you checked your kernel log? have you installed the needed firmware for your wlan? |
| 16:32.53 | abrotman | rca: pastebin |
| 16:32.56 | haxi | xyan: mhh.... :( |
| 16:33.14 | haxi | wols_: firmware is installed, and kernel log grep wlan0 returns so many lines :-° |
| 16:33.15 | rca | ah, there i can paste the whole thing |
| 16:33.16 | Backup | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-iwlwifi is this what i need to follow the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware ? |
| 16:33.28 | sc | wols_: the intel firmware |
| 16:33.33 | Backup | im asking because i have tried it, but it doesnt work |
| 16:33.44 | rca | http://pastebin.com/d693e6a6 <-- strace -f /etc/init.d/postfix start |
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| 16:34.07 | sc | iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode |
| 16:34.28 | rca | syslog gets no entry after that |
| 16:34.33 | sc | 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
| 16:34.50 | haxi | we don't have the same card, sc. |
| 16:34.54 | wols_ | Backup: one is booting without a harddisk via network, and the other is about wlan firmware needed for the wlan to work. different things |
| 16:35.07 | abrotman | rca: can you paste your /etc/init.d/postfix ? |
| 16:35.39 | karlpinc | rca: What version of debian? |
| 16:36.01 | abrotman | sc: i have a 5300 .. it's a little flaky, but it works |
| 16:36.17 | Backup | wols_: well, according to the guide on the second link, i need to add the 4965 firmware into the initrd.gz |
| 16:36.22 | rca | abrotman: ok. http://pastebin.com/m573f45e9 it's unmodified from lenny |
| 16:36.38 | abrotman | rca: there's an 'exit 0' on the second line |
| 16:36.40 | haxi | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m63039f11 |
| 16:36.43 | abrotman | that's been modified |
| 16:36.46 | rca | wha! |
| 16:36.50 | rca | how did that get there? |
| 16:36.56 | sc | mine worked perfect, I even was using wireless N over 2.4ghz im just hoping this didn't burn it out |
| 16:37.00 | karlpinc | abrotman: That would do it, eh? |
| 16:37.05 | abrotman | you think? :) |
| 16:37.10 | rca | ... |
| 16:37.17 | rca | of course it works without that :P |
| 16:37.22 | rca | but how did it get there? :| |
| 16:37.39 | wols_ | haxi: you were associated several times. at 14:25 local time for example |
| 16:37.53 | haxi | well |
| 16:38.03 | haxi | it's when I booted I think |
| 16:38.07 | rca | well, thanks for the debugging :) |
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| 16:38.09 | haxi | but it wasn't worky worky :/ |
| 16:38.14 | wols_ | so it is/was working. maybe your AP filters by MAC? have you tried setting manual IPs? |
| 16:38.20 | rca | however it got there, it was there |
| 16:38.34 | haxi | I never had to set manual IPs |
| 16:38.44 | haxi | and I didn't touched my AP |
| 16:38.55 | haxi | Once I did some upgrade |
| 16:39.00 | haxi | and then the net wasn't working |
| 16:39.05 | wols_ | just a suggestion what to try when "only" dhcp won't work |
| 16:39.18 | haxi | so I reinstalled my system (that was needed) and still not workin' |
| 16:39.20 | haxi | yeah yeah ^^ |
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| 16:40.37 | haxi | mh |
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| 16:43.40 | d1b | haxi: you are probably missing firmware? |
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| 16:43.53 | haxi | mh, I think no |
| 16:44.11 | haxi | home:/home/leo# locate .ucode /home/leo/progs/iwlwifi-3945-ucode-15.32.2.9/iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode |
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| 16:45.31 | wols_ | haxi: when it associates, the driver side is fully and totally fine. how do you try to get the network up? via /etc/init.d/networking restart or such? |
| 16:45.39 | wols_ | if so, edit your /etc/network/interfaces to static IPs |
| 16:45.59 | stuckey | I'm really confused as to how I am supposed to set up my hp printer on debian. Someone told me to just install "hplip" and then configure it by going to localhost:631. But then when I do that, I don't see an option for the "hplip" driver, so obviously this isn't entirely correct. Then someone told me I needed to follow the directions here: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html but then again, why do I need to d |
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| 16:46.18 | haxi | wols_: mh, with /etc/network/interfaces and ifup wlan0 |
| 16:46.22 | haxi | let me show you some |
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| 16:47.17 | cjuner | Doesn't Debian have the same "auto add printer when plugged in" udev rules as Ubuntu? |
| 16:47.23 | wols_ | then don't do it via dhcp but static IP. the AP should allow it just fine |
| 16:47.39 | haxi | http://pastebin.com/ma22f5c0 |
| 16:47.46 | cjuner | On Ubuntu my hp printer is automatically configured when I plug it in. |
| 16:48.29 | haxi | wols_: http://pastebin.com/ma22f5c0 . |
| 16:48.52 | abrotman | cjuner: it might, you just might not have the tools installed |
| 16:49.25 | abrotman | cjuner: the printconf package might be helpful |
| 16:49.46 | sc | m3:/lib/firmware# ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 16:49.46 | sc | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 16:49.48 | wols_ | haxi: I've seen it the first time and didn't care about it back then either. we already knew all that's in there |
| 16:49.49 | sc | heh |
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| 16:50.01 | wols_ | sc: checked kernel logs? |
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| 16:50.07 | cjuner | abrotman, system-config-printer-udev if it's available in debian. |
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| 16:50.19 | abrotman | cjuner: which version of debian? |
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| 16:50.25 | abrotman | judd: versions system-config-printer-udev |
| 16:50.26 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'system-config-printer-udev' was found. |
| 16:50.32 | abrotman | hugs themill and jelly |
| 16:50.48 | cjuner | ok seems ubuntu-specific then |
| 16:50.56 | haxi | wols_: oh k. How am I supposed to configure /etc/network/interface? :/ |
| 16:51.10 | haxi | for the static ip |
| 16:51.14 | abrotman | cjuner: or just not packaged in debian yet (might be available in other linuxes) |
| 16:51.28 | cjuner | Yes, might be. |
| 16:51.36 | wols_ | by editing it with a text editor |
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| 16:52.28 | cjuner | abrotman, if you still want it, here's the source: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/lucid/system-config-printer |
| 16:52.47 | abrotman | cjuner: i personally do not .. i don't own a printer |
| 16:52.57 | babilen | !tell haxi -about interfaces |
| 16:53.23 | babilen | stuckey: Do you use GNOME or KDE? |
| 16:53.27 | abrotman | cjuner: you could file an RFP |
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| 16:53.59 | stuckey | babilen: gnome |
| 16:54.02 | abrotman | cjuner: the printconf package might help you |
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| 16:54.37 | abrotman | cjuner: also there is hal-cups-utils |
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| 16:55.28 | wols_ | isn't the standard way for debian to install cups, got to localhost:631 and start adding printer(s)? |
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| 16:56.21 | Ph3n0 | hey guys, i was wondering if someone could tell me how to remove old ethX from memorry |
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| 16:56.55 | cjuner | Ph3n0, it's certainly not the proper way, but I guess you could modprobe -r the driver providing the interface. |
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| 16:57.03 | abrotman | !tell Ph3n0 about 70 |
| 16:57.25 | cjuner | !tell cjuner about 70 |
| 16:57.28 | Ph3n0 | i was trying out some different cards in VirtualBox to see the pcap captures, well now when i boot, even though only one card is installed, and only one driver is loading, i am popping up on eth5 instead of eth0 |
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| 16:57.40 | haxi | wols_: that is weird, I changed nothing in my AP, nothing on my computer, why would I need a static ip |
| 16:58.34 | Ph3n0 | I thought that 70 applied to multiple driver though right? |
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| 16:59.17 | abrotman | Ph3n0: look in the file, you'll understand |
| 16:59.24 | abrotman | !tell cjuner about selftell |
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| 16:59.29 | Ph3n0 | abrotman: k, thanks |
| 16:59.48 | babilen | stuckey: Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting - Printers are typically configured through the cups web interface, but there are some frontends (system-config-printer, ...) |
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| 17:01.07 | babilen | stuckey: Can't you find your printer in the cups interface when you try to add a new printer? |
| 17:01.25 | Ph3n0 | ahhh, cause i regenerated the MAC it saved it and linked it to a driver, so i can just clear this out safely and reboot and it will start over right? |
| 17:01.34 | stuckey | babilen: It has "Model:" under which there are 2000 entries. |
| 17:01.51 | stuckey | babilen: it usually says something like hp - laerjet- 4200 - then poscript/gutenrpint |
| 17:02.03 | stuckey | but what I'm interested in doing, is setting it up to use the hp driver since that supposedly the best one |
| 17:02.06 | stuckey | but I don't know how to do that |
| 17:02.13 | abrotman | Ph3n0: yes |
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| 17:02.30 | Ph3n0 | abrotman: thanks a lot, appreciate the help! |
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| 17:04.51 | cjuner | abrotman, thanks didn't know about this feature. |
| 17:05.15 | babilen | stuckey: The ppd files are packaged as hpijs-ppds - But you could also download a ppd from http://www.openprinting.org/ |
| 17:05.20 | babilen | stuckey: Which printer is this? |
| 17:05.34 | stuckey | babilen: laserjet 5m |
| 17:05.44 | stuckey | babilen: so where it says model, I should just be providing a ppd? |
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| 17:09.30 | stuckey | I don't understand, putting in a ppd file is the same thing as selecting a driver from the "Model:" section? |
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| 17:11.02 | drwn | hello everybody |
| 17:11.35 | wols_ | hello honey |
| 17:12.28 | drwn | I have a problem with blacklist and my mail server |
| 17:12.47 | drwn | How I can block spam in to my sender accounts ? |
| 17:13.04 | wols_ | "in to my sender accounts"? |
| 17:13.24 | drwn | sorry sender mails |
| 17:13.35 | stuckey | babilen: I don't get it... what is the purpose of all of these hplip packages then if all one needs is a .ppd file???? |
| 17:13.59 | babilen | stuckey: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/step4/cups/local.html |
| 17:14.33 | stuckey | babilen: i'm not using usb |
| 17:14.59 | babilen | stuckey: How is it connected? |
| 17:15.18 | stuckey | babilen: and as I've said several times, I have *no* listing for something called hpjps or hplip. |
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| 17:15.22 | stuckey | babilen: network |
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| 17:15.50 | stuckey | I understand how to set up a printer, what I don't understand is what the hell hplip is and how am I supposed to use it. |
| 17:15.56 | stuckey | How does this interface with cups? |
| 17:16.08 | babilen | stuckey: I don't quite understand why the drivers are not listed. Could you restart the CUPS server and verify that the HPLIP drivers are still not listed |
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| 17:16.16 | babilen | stuckey: Also: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/hp_setup.html |
| 17:16.16 | stuckey | babilen: yes I have done this |
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| 17:16.29 | stuckey | babilen: I shouldn't have to do this manually, there are packages for hplip in debia. |
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| 17:16.33 | stuckey | *debian |
| 17:16.35 | maligor | .ppd is enough if it's a networked ps printer |
| 17:16.39 | babilen | stuckey: That page lists different alternatives to install the printer |
| 17:16.54 | leejongwook | why don't i have '/etc/utmp' ? |
| 17:17.00 | stuckey | maligor: where is the .ppd file stored locally? |
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| 17:17.13 | babilen | stuckey: Yes, I agree. I don't quite understand why the driver/ppd from hplip are not listed within cups .. |
| 17:17.17 | leejongwook | what O.S. has '/etc/utmp' ? |
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| 17:19.22 | stuckey | babilen: Should I file a bug report for this? |
| 17:19.37 | maligor | stuckey, dunno really |
| 17:20.09 | stuckey | always forgets how to fill out bug reports |
| 17:20.18 | leejongwook | i found that file, '/var/run/utmp' |
| 17:20.39 | stuckey | Should I file it against or hplip? |
| 17:20.43 | stuckey | Both maybe |
| 17:20.49 | stuckey | oops, cups or hplip i mean |
| 17:21.35 | drwn | somebody can help me ? |
| 17:21.42 | stuckey | !ask |
| 17:21.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:22.06 | babilen | stuckey: I would try to install hpijs-ppds and check if you are offered the HPLIP ppds within cups then ... If not: "dpkg -L hpijs-ppds" and check where the ppds are saved and select in manually |
| 17:22.18 | drwn | I have problem with my server mail |
| 17:22.26 | babilen | stuckey: Follow the installation instuctions on http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/step4/cups/net.html |
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| 17:25.19 | babilen | stuckey: hplip suggests the installation of openprinting-ppds which depends on hpijs-ppds ... I guess you'll have to install that package to get the PPDs |
| 17:25.40 | stuckey | babilen: okay progress, now I get hp laserjet 5mp hpijs pcl3 3.9.12.29 (en) --- among the thousands of choices |
| 17:25.46 | stuckey | Though mine is a hp laserjet 5m |
| 17:25.51 | stuckey | It doesn't have just 5m |
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| 17:26.07 | babilen | after you've installed hpijs-ppds ? |
| 17:26.12 | stuckey | babilen: Yep |
| 17:26.30 | babilen | stuckey: Just use that one .. It'll probably work just fine |
| 17:26.33 | stuckey | Question, do I need all of the dozen or so other hp-lip packages? |
| 17:26.50 | stuckey | I'll run a test page |
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| 17:28.24 | stuckey | babilen: works |
| 17:28.29 | babilen | stuckey: good |
| 17:28.33 | stuckey | Thanks |
| 17:28.37 | stuckey | Do I need these other hp packages? |
| 17:29.07 | babilen | I don't think so. |
| 17:29.34 | stuckey | Awesome |
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| 17:30.08 | maligor | http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_5M |
| 17:30.12 | maligor | if you haven't seen that already |
| 17:30.37 | stuckey | maligor: Yeah, thanks |
| 17:30.54 | stuckey | This is an awesome printer by the way |
| 17:32.19 | maligor | depending on the differences between 5M and 5MP, there might be missing options or options that don't exist in hw |
| 17:32.26 | babilen | and now you can even use it ;) |
| 17:33.56 | stuckey | maligor: openpriting should say which ppd file (driver) that it works "perfectly" with. That'd be helpful. |
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| 17:34.27 | maligor | if you scroll down, they link to a ppd |
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| 17:34.57 | stuckey | maligor: that's for postscript driver |
| 17:36.04 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:36.33 | stuckey | I wonder if there's anyone here who may be espeically informed about printing. |
| 17:37.01 | babilen | stuckey: I guess you find them in #cups ;-) |
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| 17:37.13 | stuckey | Maybe |
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| 17:37.50 | themill | stuckey: the cups web interface offers me that model/driver in the list of available ones. Why not just use that? |
| 17:37.56 | jo-seb | Does anyone have an 945 intel graphic card and working tty since last update? |
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| 17:38.12 | stuckey | themill: what driver exactly does it list in the list of avilable ones? |
| 17:38.42 | jelly | jo-seb: last update to what? |
| 17:38.49 | themill | stuckey: HP LaserJet 5M Postscript (recommended) |
| 17:38.51 | jo-seb | Herr last kernel update sorry |
| 17:39.03 | jelly | jo-seb: sid? squeeze? amd64? i386? |
| 17:39.04 | jo-seb | i think the one that's implementing kms |
| 17:39.08 | jo-seb | i386 |
| 17:39.17 | stuckey | themill: Okay. Openpriting says that "hplip" is the best though; faster/better quality. |
| 17:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | jo-seb: Probably best to specify which kernel explicitly, lots of different ones are "current". |
| 17:39.39 | stuckey | themill: and this driver isn't in the list at default installation. |
| 17:39.51 | jhutchins_lt | jo-seb: uname -r |
| 17:40.07 | themill | stuckey: there are no drivers for printers in the default installation... |
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| 17:40.20 | jo-seb | juhtchins_lt : ok, give me 2 mins, ill chek it out. My linux framebuffer is totally screwed out and iam not on the current machine... |
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| 17:40.54 | jhutchins_lt | jo-seb: You can turn it off with kernel parameter vga=normal |
| 17:41.20 | stuckey | themill: postscript? |
| 17:41.42 | jo-seb | jhutchins_lt : turn off the framebuffer? |
| 17:42.05 | jhutchins_lt | jo-seb: Yes. Revert to plain text for the console. |
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| 17:42.12 | jelly | jo-seb: I have a... G45 on amd64 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 (2.6.32-2), and an i386 i915GM on 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-3) with these boot params: video=i915 i915.modeset=1 |
| 17:42.32 | jelly | but not the i945 with comes in the middle |
| 17:42.47 | jo-seb | where can i get documentation about those boot parameters :p |
| 17:43.09 | jo-seb | i've been looking around for quite some times but i found nothing |
| 17:43.17 | sc | wols_: my problem was the old network-manager-kde, i switched to WICD and everything is gravy |
| 17:43.19 | jo-seb | like vga=... and video=... |
| 17:43.20 | sc | :D |
| 17:43.36 | jelly | jo-seb: I got these particular ones off #debian-x on irc.debian.net |
| 17:43.49 | jelly | and modinfo i915 |
| 17:44.35 | jhutchins_lt | jo-seb: I don't know of any universal listing for them. Some are generic and work with the kernel, some are passed to specific modules. |
| 17:44.39 | jelly | jo-seb: also: /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf:blacklist uvesafb |
| 17:46.21 | jelly | jo-seb: the options should be documented in kernel documentation directory, so, in Debian, a package like linux-doc-2.6.32 |
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| 17:47.45 | jo-seb | jelly : Ok, thats a lot of new stuff for me !! I'll see what i can do. |
| 17:47.53 | jo-seb | thx a lot |
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| 17:49.15 | Backup | i just installed debian using the cd1 image, i also installed firmware-iwlwifi (0.14+lenny2) but i still cant get online. i get the following error wmaster0 unknown hardware address type 801 |
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| 17:49.51 | Backup | and i have gathered that the driver for this device is built in to the 2.6 kernel. so whats going on here? |
| 17:50.35 | rug | I think I just have the wrong font installed, but when I use 'mc' I see a lot of funky characters instead of the lines that show the borders. I am using 'rxvt' for my term. How can I fix it? |
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| 17:51.12 | squisher | Rug, maybe try setting a different TERM? |
| 17:51.28 | Rug | squisher: the ENV variable? |
| 17:51.32 | squisher | yes |
| 17:51.36 | Rug | ok thanks |
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| 17:54.53 | helloworld | hello :) |
| 17:54.58 | helloworld | I have two servers (A and B). 'A' is a remote server, I've a remote ftp there. Is it possible to set cron jobs on server B (it's in my home), which should work like that: it should log on FTP on A server and check md5 checksum of file abc.html. If the checksum is equal to "..." it should disconnect, otherwise, it should replace abc.html file. |
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| 17:55.40 | babilen | Why shouldn't it be possible? |
| 17:55.42 | squisher | helloworld, sure, it's called shell scripting. Have a look at the abs-guide |
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| 17:57.10 | Rug | helloworld: You might want to look into rsync |
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| 17:59.58 | jelly | helloworld: there is no way to check the remote file's md5sum over ftp without downloading it whole, so you'll have to download it, md5sum, and upload the new one if needed |
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| 18:01.32 | helloworld | i'm thinking of a new idea, what about checking md5 in remote server, and checking it from A via curl? (I could display md5 checsum), shouldn't be better, what do you think? |
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| 18:02.50 | abrotman | helloworld: rsync is the way to do it |
| 18:03.18 | Backup | can some one please tell me why i cant get my intel 4965agn card working in debian even after installing firmware-iwlwifi (0.14+lenny2)? |
| 18:03.28 | jelly | helloworld: that will save you a download |
| 18:04.03 | helloworld | so I need to learn only how to connect with remote FTP if md5_checsum is different :) |
| 18:04.24 | jelly | helloworld: rsync is a more sensible way to do this, you need ssh access and rsync installed on both ends |
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| 18:05.11 | helloworld | jelly, the problem is that, I have no ssh acces on the remote server |
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| 18:05.41 | jelly | helloworld: how are you going to generate the checksums there? |
| 18:05.42 | helloworld | and no rsync too (only on server B) |
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| 18:05.52 | helloworld | via php? |
| 18:06.12 | jelly | heh |
| 18:06.13 | helloworld | it's kind of webhosting with access to ftp :) |
| 18:06.20 | jelly | got it |
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| 18:06.37 | xxoun | hi im searching for da directory called: "text/css" how can i find this? which command could be used? |
| 18:07.36 | helloworld | it seems, that I've found another problem, what if remote server was down? |
| 18:07.39 | oggei | xxoun: what are you trying to accomplish, and how is that related to debian ? |
| 18:08.01 | helloworld | curl would download nothing |
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| 18:08.27 | chellomere | xxoun, "text/css" looks like a mime type |
| 18:09.29 | AimHere | If you really are looking for a directory like 'text/css', then the relevant command line commands are 'locate' and 'find' |
| 18:09.39 | AimHere | But it does look more like a mime-type to me |
| 18:09.46 | xxoun | its my debian-workstation ;) well when type in the browser: https://192.168.1.1/ it doesnt find text/css |
| 18:10.25 | xxoun | i try to 'locate' it thx |
| 18:10.53 | helloworld | ok, thanks for help me, i'd try to figure out everything you'd said :) bye ;) |
| 18:11.12 | AimHere | That sounds more like a glitch in whatever is serving up webpages at 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:11.22 | AimHere | Whether that's localhost or your router or something else |
| 18:12.41 | xxoun | ok i'll explane it short. i installed ShellInABox just for fun and now i would like to edit the man page and therefor im searching for a directory called test/css |
| 18:13.05 | xxoun | but i think this directory doesnt exist.... so i have to edit the css-files |
| 18:13.06 | AimHere | teSt/css? |
| 18:13.12 | AimHere | You said 'text/css' before |
| 18:13.14 | xxoun | ups text/css |
| 18:13.20 | xxoun | yes sorry |
| 18:14.03 | AimHere | Could it be that some webpage that required css files is being served, and you don't have css files to give it? |
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| 18:14.16 | Backup | no one knows why my wirelss aint working even after installing the firmware? :( |
| 18:14.18 | AimHere | In which case, either write your own, or find them with either 'locate' or 'find' |
| 18:14.22 | xxoun | locate /text doesnt find somethin |
| 18:14.31 | xxoun | something |
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| 18:14.46 | oggei | for sure, it's wrongly invocated |
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| 18:15.47 | tremo | xxoun: did updatedb run since you installed that stuff? if not, run updatedb first or use find... |
| 18:16.47 | oggei | xxoun: can you please explain how you decided that you have to find a text/css dir for accomplish what you're trying to accomplish ? |
| 18:17.01 | babilen | Backup: Which card was that again? |
| 18:17.07 | oggei | eg. pasting on some paste site a pair of html lines, or so |
| 18:17.15 | babilen | Backup: Ah, found it .. |
| 18:17.52 | oggei | and also why if you can't manage to "find a directory", how you can solve "editing a css file" |
| 18:18.19 | babilen | Backup: Try 'modprobe -r iwl4965 && modprobe iwl4965" and have a look at 'dmesg | tail -n 20' - Any errors? Does it look OK? |
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| 18:18.47 | xxoun | oggei: i know it sounds crazy... but this was my first try |
| 18:19.17 | babilen | Backup: If that looks good: How are you trying to connect to the WLAN? |
| 18:19.48 | oggei | you really need to share something with us, like a part of your logical flow, as it seems a little confused |
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| 18:20.08 | Backup | well, i installed the firmware with the package i downloaded from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-iwlwifi. then i did modprobe iwl4965 and used the gnome network manager to set the wep password and chose dhcp |
| 18:20.10 | Gijs | Hi all |
| 18:20.33 | Backup | i will boot back in and try and remove the module the load it again |
| 18:20.38 | babilen | Backup: Ok, can the module be loaded without problems? |
| 18:20.38 | Backup | then* |
| 18:20.44 | Backup | yes |
| 18:20.47 | xxoun | oggei: yes :) |
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| 18:20.51 | Backup | modules loads fine |
| 18:20.55 | Backup | module* |
| 18:21.10 | babilen | Backup: No errors in dmesg and a reference to the firmware loaded? |
| 18:21.18 | maligor | Backup, I hope you know that WEP is worthless |
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| 18:21.28 | babilen | maligor: It's his landlords AP |
| 18:21.31 | Gijs | What chmod i need to use to give the owner of a direction all access on his files/directions ? |
| 18:21.48 | Backup | sigh. i am fully aware of the utter fail wep is. im just not in controll of the AP. my landlord is. and he is a ignorant cock |
| 18:22.32 | babilen | !lart backup's landlord |
| 18:22.33 | dpkg | chops backup's landlord in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 18:22.54 | babilen | so, with him out of the way - Any errors in dmesg or is everyhting looking fine? |
| 18:23.14 | Backup | babilen: ill get back to you on that m8. i need to boot back in to debian |
| 18:23.22 | babilen | ah - ok .. |
| 18:23.31 | babilen | i'll brb then :-) |
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| 18:30.03 | buntfalke | Can anyone help me debug this reportbug-ng issue? http://paste.frubar.net/11867 |
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| 18:30.22 | buntfalke | The ~/.reportbug-ng doesn't cause it (moving it out of the way didnt change a thing) |
| 18:30.32 | buntfalke | I'm running debian squeeze |
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| 18:34.35 | squisher | buntfalke, file a bug report |
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| 18:35.22 | babilen | buntfalke: Check #568352 |
| 18:36.00 | babilen | buntfalke: It's fixed in version 1.15 |
| 18:36.39 | babilen | buntfalke: Which version do you have installed? |
| 18:39.00 | Backup | babilen: http://pastebin.com/m5427075e |
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| 18:39.18 | Backup | babilen: do you want the output of dhclient aswell? |
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| 18:41.49 | babilen | Backup: That looks good - and yes try to connect and paste /var/log/daemon.log (the relevant part) |
| 18:42.12 | babilen | Backup: You can 'tail -f /var/log/daemon.log' first to monitor the connection attempt |
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| 18:42.53 | babilen | Backup: It would also be great if you could forget NM for a while and try connecting with wpa_supplicant |
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| 18:43.26 | warl0u | themill i solve the problem with the Pebrot and the warning |
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| 18:45.38 | babilen | Backup: Try: "iwconfig <wlan_interface> essid <your_ap_essid>" and "iwconfig <wlan_interface> key <wep_key>" and then "dhclient3 <wlan_interface>" |
| 18:45.39 | Backup | babilen: allright, ill do that. here is the direct output of dhclient wlna0 http://pastebin.com/m5c24f8cd |
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| 18:48.30 | babilen | Backup: I thought you were using network-manager? |
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| 18:49.21 | babilen | Backup: If you try NM make sure that your user is member of the netdev group and that you edited /etc/network/interfaces accordingly |
| 18:49.47 | babilen | !tell Backup -about network-manager |
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| 18:51.44 | buntfalke | babilen: 1.14 |
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| 18:52.02 | jok3r | hey all, i return again with fresh questions about PAM |
| 18:52.05 | buntfalke | babilen: i'll upgrade, and use the new version, to file a bugreport against the old version still being in squeeze :-D |
| 18:52.25 | jok3r | my new question is why i can't get it to set one of my password modules to optional |
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| 18:52.36 | jok3r | if set to optional it causes token manipulation errors |
| 18:52.46 | babilen | buntfalke: The issue is already reported and has been dealt with. No need to file it again |
| 18:53.00 | buntfalke | babilen: was joking :-) |
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| 18:53.14 | buntfalke | it's a bit ironic that reportbug has a blocker-bug :-) |
| 18:53.14 | babilen | buntfalke: ah - :-D |
| 18:53.17 | buntfalke | hehe |
| 18:53.21 | babilen | yeah it is |
| 18:53.50 | babilen | Debian does everything to keep RC bugs to a minimum :-) |
| 18:54.03 | buntfalke | hehe |
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| 18:54.41 | buntfalke | babilen: well, seems like some ppl think that's not good enough - that's why ubuntu was created, they abolished that bug-status altogether :-P |
| 18:55.32 | warl0u | when squesse gonna be Stable? |
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| 18:55.52 | themill | warl0u: /msg dpkg wwsr ; /msg dpkg siyh |
| 18:55.55 | abrotman | warl0u: when it's ready |
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| 18:55.59 | mastro | how do I install a minima xserver on debian? i tried with aptitude install xserver-xorg but it takes a lot of things i don't need (dbus ...) the xserver should just be used to provide remote ssh -X for installing oracle |
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| 18:56.19 | mastro | s/minima/minimal |
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| 18:56.43 | bittin | hello somone here know how to use xrandr? |
| 18:56.43 | oggei | try xserver-xorg-core |
| 18:57.03 | buntfalke | warl0u: right after duke nukem forever is released :-P |
| 18:57.04 | themill | mastro: you don't need an xserver at all on the remote machine for ssh -X |
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| 18:57.14 | dummies_freelan1 | hello |
| 18:57.18 | bittin | hi |
| 18:57.22 | mastro | themill, oh... I see better then |
| 18:57.23 | warl0u | buntfalke, lmao |
| 18:57.31 | Helliana | Can someone help me with knetwork manager and my wireless connection. its detecting the Essid, i've set it to WAP2 Personal like it should be, entered the correct passcode, and it won't get an IP address |
| 18:57.37 | oggei | ah, right, xauth package is probably sufficient |
| 18:57.44 | mastro | themill, what i need then? how do I enable x11 forwarding? |
| 18:57.46 | Helliana | and i have no idea where any log files are to see what the problem could be. |
| 18:57.54 | themill | mastro: what you do need, however, are a few libraries. /msg dpkg sshx |
| 18:58.05 | bittin | i have an extra screen into my eeepc but when i use startx it sets both screens as 800x600 and when i change resulotion wmii looks wierd :( what can i do to change this? |
| 18:58.12 | buntfalke | themill: Imagine this setup: workstation<>serverA<>serverB - would I need an xserver on serverA to do a nested ssh -X to serverB? |
| 18:58.13 | dummies_freelan1 | i have one problem i use wordpress and i dont see the blog , i have intalled php5 apache mod and Addtype php in httpd.conf www.javierbuilder.com.ar |
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| 18:58.47 | buntfalke | themill: as in, can one ssh -X session carry another ssh -X session, and even though there is only one X server, and it's running on the workstation? |
| 18:58.49 | themill | buntfalke: no, just keep tunnelling the X connection |
| 18:58.50 | buntfalke | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.51 | buntfalke | \hj |
| 18:58.57 | buntfalke | ups - sry |
| 18:59.07 | Amarande | Helliana, is your DHCP server configured correctly? |
| 18:59.21 | Helliana | Amarande: yes. |
| 18:59.25 | buntfalke | themill: what if serverB is not available directly? i need to build socks tunnels or sth else then? |
| 18:59.32 | Amarande | check and make sure your router has DHCP enabled and not restricted in a way that is banning wireless devices |
| 18:59.32 | Helliana | in fact, the connection works on a kubuntu liveCD |
| 18:59.50 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:59.52 | themill | buntfalke: just keep on ssh -X, or build a tunnel using netcat. |
| 19:00.00 | Amarande | does debian have the right kernel driver for your wireless card? |
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| 19:00.10 | Amarande | it could be ubuntu has the right kernel driver but debian doesn't by default |
| 19:00.23 | Helliana | Amarande: yep, ipw2200, and the firmware is installed also |
| 19:00.40 | mastro | themill, thank you very much |
| 19:00.45 | themill | np |
| 19:00.49 | Amarande | you didn't mistype the passcode? |
| 19:01.02 | Helliana | nope, i've tried 20+ times |
| 19:01.12 | buntfalke | themill: The question was: Can I run "ssh -X user@serverB" from within this ssh-session "user@workstation$ ssh -X user@serverA"? |
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| 19:01.43 | Amarande | hmm, wireless interference? |
| 19:01.55 | Amarande | I know every now and then my PSP has trouble getting on the internets and claims it can't get an IP |
| 19:02.10 | Amarande | try reorienting the receiving antenna :) |
| 19:02.10 | themill | buntfalke: try it and see. (yes) |
| 19:02.11 | Helliana | well i have no idea why i can't connect |
| 19:02.25 | Helliana | allt i know is it just doesn't connect. and i have no idea WHY |
| 19:02.28 | buntfalke | themill: I would if I'd had such a setup available :-) |
| 19:02.29 | buntfalke | thanks |
| 19:02.57 | Helliana | and i have everything in knetworkmanager configured correctly |
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| 19:03.26 | Amarande | what does /sbin/ifconfig say? |
| 19:03.45 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 19:03.57 | bittin | hi |
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| 19:04.20 | babilen | Helliana: 'tail -f /var/log/daemon.log' and paste the relevant output. Also make sure that you've edited /etc/network/interfaces to match the instructions and that your user is a member of the netdev group |
| 19:04.55 | Helliana | babilen: i know /etc/network/interfaces are correct and that i'm in the netdev group |
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| 19:06.22 | Helliana | babilen: Feb 10 13:05:39 Enterprise wpa_supplicant[1743]: CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS is about all i see relevent |
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| 19:06.50 | Helliana | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/59436/ |
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| 19:07.57 | babilen | Helliana: It is not even trying to connect - Did you initiate a connection attempt? |
| 19:08.01 | kc8pxy | this is weird.. i have mounted a ntfs filesystem loopback, and even as root, it won't let mt write to it. if i try to specify ntfs-3g, it says it's not right. but without specifying, mount says it's ntfs. ideas? |
| 19:08.16 | kc8pxy | s/mt/me |
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| 19:09.20 | jelly-home | kc8pxy: "not right"? |
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| 19:09.26 | Helliana | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/59440/ |
| 19:09.36 | Helliana | that should be helpful. |
| 19:09.38 | jelly-home | !tell kc8pxy about ntfsrw |
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| 19:09.55 | kc8pxy | jelly-home: Failed to read last sector (78140096): Invalid argument |
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| 19:10.22 | aief | http://worldtv.com/israel_in_eurovision/ |
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| 19:10.39 | babilen | Helliana: Yes, that is the error - But it tells *me* nothing ... |
| 19:10.52 | Helliana | babilen: same here. |
| 19:11.00 | jelly-home | kc8pxy: that would sound like either the image was not complete, or there's an error on the filesystem |
| 19:11.10 | kc8pxy | jelly-home: i'm not a novice at this. this is a reconstructed clonezilla partition image. |
| 19:11.21 | babilen | Helliana: You could ask in #nm, try wicd (from backports) or wpa_supplicant |
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| 19:11.41 | babilen | Helliana: I would try wicd or have a look at wpa_supplicant's roaming mode |
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| 19:12.47 | rgr | anyone here aware of a workaround (other than vesa) for debian squeeze xorg problems where I just get a black screen and can not even C-alt-f1 etc with an 82830 Intel card on a thinkpad? 2.6.32 kernel. vesa is way to slow to be usable unfortunately on this again machine. |
| 19:13.01 | FlyingFoX | i have a problem understanding the manpage of 7z. The switches -x and/or -i are of interest. i can speficy either a wildcard or a filelist to achieve what i want, but i don't get the format that i need to use for that to work. |
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| 19:17.01 | dmi3on | hi all, can some one help how to add folder to user on vsftpd |
| 19:17.03 | dmi3on | thanks |
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| 19:20.03 | dios_mio | i installed debian |
| 19:20.09 | dios_mio | what is a cool thing to do with it? |
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| 19:21.44 | squisher | FlyingFoX, maybe an example helps: http://pastebin.com/d2e2a02c |
| 19:21.59 | seatstaken | i would like to install debian on a machine for the purpose of using it as a repository for debian packages, also as a tftp server for pxe booting. I have 2 harddrives, one 20 gigs, one 40 gigs, can someone suggest a partition scheme? |
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| 19:22.39 | squisher | dios_mio, the cool thing is to use it all the time |
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| 19:24.07 | dios_mio | squisher: all the time? omg |
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| 19:24.29 | squisher | all the time == for all your computing needs |
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| 19:25.32 | ys0srs | Or since you recently did a fresh install, it wouldn't kill to try 'rm -rf /' & learn |
| 19:25.49 | Amarande | dios_mio, I suggest starting by playing some Tali. |
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| 19:25.58 | dios_mio | ys0srs: I am not that ignorant about linux.. I actually install debian before, and I installed slackware several times |
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| 19:26.16 | dios_mio | Amarande: Tali you say? never heard of that |
| 19:26.33 | squisher | ys0srs, don't suggest that |
| 19:26.34 | Amarande | It's pretty much the gnome version of yahtzee |
| 19:26.38 | ys0srs | dios_mio: :) |
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| 19:27.02 | seatstaken | anyone on partition schemes for my task? |
| 19:27.08 | dios_mio | what window manager do you guys use? |
| 19:27.14 | seatstaken | anyone have a local debian mirror? |
| 19:27.19 | nooper | screen |
| 19:27.21 | seatstaken | xfce |
| 19:27.35 | ys0srs | kde |
| 19:27.44 | Amarande | gnome |
| 19:27.48 | amphi | dios_mio: xmonad FTW |
| 19:28.18 | dios_mio | how do you switch between window managers? |
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| 19:28.35 | FlyingFoX | squisher: thx i think i got it now :) |
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| 19:28.47 | amphi | dios_mio: I change the line in ~/.xsession |
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| 19:29.07 | amphi | dios_mio: if you use a DE, you will probably have to suffer more |
| 19:29.22 | dios_mio | hmm okay |
| 19:29.26 | Amarande | amphi: monad? isn't that that super hard optional dungeon in persona 3? :) |
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| 19:29.46 | amphi | Amarande: eh? xmonad.org |
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| 19:35.24 | hellyeah | hey |
| 19:35.30 | hellyeah | i have hp deskjet 5740 |
| 19:35.38 | hellyeah | hp-setup wants ppd file |
| 19:35.47 | hellyeah | any ieas i am using debian squeeze |
| 19:35.54 | Rug | dios_mio: Fluxbox |
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| 19:36.28 | hellyeah | i need help |
| 19:36.39 | Rug | hellyeah: you can d'load the PPD from HP |
| 19:36.53 | phogg | hellyeah: linuxprinting.org will have PPDs or links to them for most printers |
| 19:36.58 | hellyeah | i try to find from google |
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| 19:37.02 | hellyeah | but i cant find |
| 19:37.10 | phogg | hellyeah: use hp.com's search instead |
| 19:37.12 | hellyeah | i write hp deskjet 5740 ppd file |
| 19:37.15 | hellyeah | no result :/ |
| 19:37.24 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 19:38.34 | jelly-home | judd: file /HP-DeskJet_5740* |
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| 19:40.10 | jelly-home | anyhow: foomatic-db: /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/printer/HP-DeskJet_5740.xml |
| 19:40.35 | hellyeah | i did all tsteps in hp.com |
| 19:40.40 | hellyeah | but i nee ppd file |
| 19:40.49 | hellyeah | it oesnt say how to obtain ppd file |
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| 19:41.32 | hellyeah | i did it |
| 19:41.33 | hellyeah | :D |
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| 19:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ou ave ot eys issing? |
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| 19:42.39 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: faker! |
| 19:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | aker? I ai't o aker! |
| 19:43.05 | jelly-home | ne des it this way, s it lks geniune |
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| 19:43.29 | phogg | makes away slowly |
| 19:43.35 | seatstaken | debian mirror? |
| 19:43.39 | seatstaken | anyone ever set one up |
| 19:43.40 | seatstaken | ? |
| 19:43.41 | phogg | s/makes/backs/ |
| 19:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use his own debian mirror |
| 19:43.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses his own debian mirror, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:44.21 | seatstaken | lol |
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| 19:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | seatstaken, /msg dpkg apt-mirror and/or /msg dpkg apt-proxy |
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| 19:45.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and also /msg dpkg polls |
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| 19:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, you lost your -home in #d-ot! |
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| 19:47.53 | csupka91 | hello! I have a question, I have an installation disc (lenny i386) and I install this operation system, and after when the operation system is installed, I will install 64 bit kernel, is this 64 bit kernel will work fully? |
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| 19:48.20 | hellyeah | nothing printed shit |
| 19:48.27 | hellyeah | there is no error shit shit shit |
| 19:48.30 | hellyeah | bullshit |
| 19:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | work fully? |
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| 19:49.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Firefox 3.6 seems so much slower loading pages than the default Iceweasel. Anyone else experience this? |
| 19:49.24 | dios_mio | do i have the linux kernel source in my install disc 1? |
| 19:49.36 | csupka91 | I mean, the programs which was installed before I installed the 64 bit kernel, are those programs will be changed to 64 bit? |
| 19:49.43 | hellyeah | CutMeOwnThroat, i t doesnt work |
| 19:49.52 | hellyeah | but hp-setup didnt give any error |
| 19:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell dios_mio -about cd contents |
| 19:50.01 | babilen | csupka91: yes - that'll work |
| 19:50.06 | Amarande | LinuxGuy2009: *shrug* Firefox post 3.5 has been kind of underwhelming |
| 19:50.13 | Amarande | however, I might need to install it anyway |
| 19:50.13 | csupka91 | babilen thx |
| 19:50.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Isnt linux-headers the kernel source packages? Or is that wrong? |
| 19:50.18 | babilen | csupka91: err - no the programs won't change |
| 19:50.27 | Amarande | in particular, dailymotion on FF 3.5 no longer needs the flash plugin |
| 19:50.32 | babilen | csupka91: You will have a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland then |
| 19:50.34 | Amarande | and seeing as the fools made it need the flash TEN plugin on 3.0 ... |
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| 19:50.44 | Amarande | which means "sorry, no, your open source flash plugin won't work HAHA." |
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| 19:51.02 | Amarande | what exactly did flash 10 add that was so attractive to devs anyway :) |
| 19:51.04 | babilen | csupka91: It is not possible to upgrade from 32bit to 64bit completely (at least without major problems) |
| 19:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinuxGuy2009, no, they just containt the headers (.h files), not the complete source ... as the name says |
| 19:51.10 | csupka91 | I see |
| 19:51.17 | csupka91 | so I have to get a 64 bit disc |
| 19:51.18 | csupka91 | I see |
| 19:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/taint/tain/ |
| 19:51.27 | Amarande | or does Adobe identify major flash users and offer them special deals if they promise to make sure their site is incompatible with non-Adobe flash implementations? :| |
| 19:51.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah I see |
| 19:51.32 | babilen | csupka91: If you want a 64bit installation you'll have to use an amd64 install image |
| 19:51.41 | ArtyG | Anyone here happen to install deb on a SPARC system? |
| 19:51.42 | csupka91 | what is your opinion about ia64? |
| 19:51.53 | Amarande | csupka91, ia64 is only for the Itanium series |
| 19:52.05 | csupka91 | Is it work on Xeon? |
| 19:52.09 | jelly-home | hellyeah: here're mine: http://pastebin.com/f24d3ccee hp5740color.ppd http://pastebin.com/fd1eacaf hp5740.ppd |
| 19:52.13 | ArtyG | Xeon is x86-64 |
| 19:52.14 | Amarande | if you have an Intel 64-bit CPU, you probably have a Core of some flavor, which uses (counterintuitive, but it's true) the amd64 image |
| 19:52.54 | csupka91 | I see |
| 19:52.57 | Backup | babilen: sorry for the delay, no im not sure if my user is in the correct group, nor have i edited the interfaces file. how ever, i have mangaged to atleast get my wifi card to turn it self on, and its seeing the accesspoints arround me. im just trying to get a working wpa_supplicant.conf file now so i can authenticate with my AP |
| 19:53.13 | Da_Wrecka | Good luck with that Backup |
| 19:53.19 | jelly-home | hellyeah: it probably needs hpijs installed |
| 19:53.24 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure Xeons are just souped up Cores designed for server use |
| 19:53.25 | seatstaken | i believe amd had the 64 bit x86 chipset first |
| 19:53.28 | seatstaken | and intel copied it |
| 19:53.34 | Da_Wrecka | although admittedly, in my case at least part of the problem seemed to be a lack of support for my WNIC |
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| 19:53.36 | jelly-home | !why amd64 |
| 19:53.37 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 19:53.37 | seatstaken | which is the reason for the naming convention |
| 19:53.50 | seatstaken | lol ya |
| 19:53.51 | Amarande | and in particular to be compatible with multi physical CPU installations |
| 19:53.53 | Backup | Da_Wrecka: are you saying wpa_supplicant doenst have a config for authenticating with wep? |
| 19:54.01 | Da_Wrecka | oh, WEP |
| 19:54.14 | Amarande | Backup: honestly, if you're going to use WEP |
| 19:54.21 | hellyeah | jelly-home, |
| 19:54.22 | Amarande | you may as well just save yourself the headache of setting up wireless security altogether |
| 19:54.24 | Backup | for the last time. its not my AP |
| 19:54.28 | Backup | i cant help it that its wep |
| 19:54.31 | hellyeah | do you have hp deskjet 5740 |
| 19:54.39 | jelly-home | ArtyG: Xeon is just a server-cpu brand. There have been Xeons since at least P3 |
| 19:54.47 | Da_Wrecka | I couldn't get my Debian laptop to associate with my AP, but my AP is using WPA and my WNIC apparently doesn't have Linux support. |
| 19:54.48 | ArtyG | Xeon started with P2's |
| 19:54.52 | jelly-home | hellyeah: obviously I do! |
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| 19:54.57 | ArtyG | I mean, current Xeons are x86-64. |
| 19:54.59 | Da_Wrecka | Even though it uses a RTL8185 chipset, which makes no sense |
| 19:55.03 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm pretty sure the main technical difference with Xeon is that they are designed to work in multiple physical CPU installations |
| 19:55.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | I dont trust WEP I use MAC filtering. |
| 19:55.10 | Amarande | which, far as I know, the regular Intel CPUs don't work for |
| 19:55.11 | jelly-home | ArtyG: eh, current everything is x86-64? |
| 19:55.14 | Da_Wrecka | I use WPA and MAC filtering |
| 19:55.15 | csupka91 | Anyway, I write cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:55.17 | ArtyG | Not *everything* |
| 19:55.20 | hellyeah | jelly-home, sorry |
| 19:55.22 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: mac-filter is safe like wep |
| 19:55.26 | csupka91 | and I see that my processor Intel Xeon 3.20GHZ |
| 19:55.30 | hellyeah | i installed hpijs hpijs-ppds |
| 19:55.35 | ArtyG | Amarande: Not necessarily, I have a dual-CPU system with normal Pentium 3's |
| 19:55.36 | csupka91 | how can I know, that my processor knows 64 bit? |
| 19:55.43 | Da_Wrecka | oh, and I have my AP forced to use AES, not TKIP |
| 19:55.43 | pierre_le | arch |
| 19:55.47 | ArtyG | csupka91: What processor is it? |
| 19:55.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | iceroot: wep is easily crackable |
| 19:55.50 | iceroot | csupka91: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:55.51 | jelly-home | csupka91: "lm" in flags line of /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:55.52 | Amarande | ArtyG: perhaps the case back then |
| 19:55.56 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: like mac-filter |
| 19:56.01 | Amarande | I think Xeon and Core sockets are different now though, so you can't use Cores in a dual socket mobo |
| 19:56.24 | Da_Wrecka | WEP is easily-crackable, MAC-filter is easily-crackable. What you want is WPA and MAC together. |
| 19:56.29 | csupka91 | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 19:56.32 | hellyeah | empty page |
| 19:56.37 | Da_Wrecka | Well, WPA with AES. |
| 19:56.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | iceroot: MAC addresses are provided on a peice of hardware. How is that crackable? |
| 19:56.52 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: you can change them |
| 19:56.56 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: very easy |
| 19:56.57 | Amarande | LinuxGuy2009: it is trivial to fake a MAC address in packets |
| 19:56.59 | hellyeah | printer works |
| 19:57.01 | Da_Wrecka | Not saying it's 100% secure, but it's a lot more secure than WEP or MAC filtering without encryption |
| 19:57.01 | csupka91 | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe lm constant_tsc pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl cid cx16 xtpr |
| 19:57.05 | ArtyG | Damn, 3.2GHz Xeon isn't a very useful stat, really. |
| 19:57.08 | hellyeah | but it prints empty page |
| 19:57.29 | jelly-home | hellyeah: that's an interesting way of "working" |
| 19:57.30 | ArtyG | Unless it's just a Xeon 3.2, like the old Socket 604 one. |
| 19:57.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Not like someone is likely to guess my MAC address. |
| 19:57.57 | Amarande | hellyeah: out of toner? |
| 19:58.07 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: you can sniff it |
| 19:58.10 | Da_Wrecka | LinuxGuy2009: Ever heard of airsnort? |
| 19:58.10 | mguy | LinuxGuy2009: Your MAC is broadcast in every packet |
| 19:58.11 | csupka91 | at home when I write it it wrote that I have Core 2 Duo E6600 |
| 19:58.13 | hellyeah | i dont know |
| 19:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinuxGuy2009, no, he'd just copy it, right? |
| 19:58.17 | hellyeah | i must check |
| 19:58.17 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: so please dont say mac-filter is safe |
| 19:58.30 | csupka91 | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 19:58.33 | csupka91 | I know only just it :S |
| 19:58.37 | hellyeah | anyway |
| 19:58.39 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: mac-filter is safe like wep |
| 19:58.43 | Da_Wrecka | MAC filter alone is not safe. |
| 19:58.47 | hellyeah | my system recognize finally |
| 19:58.48 | Da_Wrecka | WEP alone is not safe. |
| 19:58.55 | Da_Wrecka | MAC filter combined with WEP is not safe. |
| 19:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then, having an open wireless access for everyone is much more social :) |
| 19:59.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | I know there are apps like macchanger but the neighborhood kids arent playing with that I dont think. |
| 19:59.22 | Da_Wrecka | WPA with TKIP combined with MAC filter is not easy to circumvent, but still possible |
| 19:59.28 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: doesnt matter, its unsafe |
| 19:59.29 | ArtyG | I wonder how Debian will run on a 333MHz 64-bit processor. |
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| 19:59.32 | Da_Wrecka | WPA with AES combined with MAC filter is the best you can get right now |
| 19:59.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm not paranoid. |
| 19:59.53 | mguy | ArtyG: Old Alpha or some sort of MIPS? |
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| 19:59.57 | iceroot | the safest thing is NOT using wifi ;) |
| 19:59.59 | ArtyG | UltraSPARC |
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| 20:00.04 | mguy | d'oh |
| 20:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you said that WPA AES thing a couple of times now... |
| 20:00.11 | ArtyG | I'd bet that using licensed 3.7GHz spectrum WiFi equipment is fairly secure these days. |
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| 20:00.22 | mguy | Would you guys take the wireless talk elsewhere |
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| 20:00.46 | jelly-home | ArtyG: that's IIi or IIe cpu? Think "slow", if there's only one |
| 20:00.51 | ArtyG | IIi |
| 20:01.02 | Da_Wrecka | ArtyG: Does 3.7GHz Wifi equipment even exist? |
| 20:01.04 | seatstaken | wpa2 |
| 20:01.04 | ArtyG | Well, it'll be fun to play with, at least. |
| 20:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ultrasparc is the newer line of sparcs though, not the one whose support was dropped in debian, right? |
| 20:01.14 | seatstaken | with radius |
| 20:01.18 | ArtyG | Da_Wrecka: Yes, but it's licensed equipment. |
| 20:01.44 | Da_Wrecka | Meaning prohibitively-expensive, I presume |
| 20:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why it's quite secure :) |
| 20:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm glad we finally wrapped that up |
| 20:02.04 | ArtyG | Meaning, you have to get a license from the FCC (in the states, at least) to use it, and it's probably also prohibitively expensive. |
| 20:02.27 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: ultrasparc = 64bit = the only ones still supported-ish in current Linux kernels |
| 20:02.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | mguy: These guys are not allowed to discuss wireless here or something? |
| 20:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 20:02.45 | csupka91 | Guys, sorry, how can I know that my processor model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 20:02.45 | csupka91 | knows 64 bit? |
| 20:03.07 | jelly-home | csupka91: told you that already |
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| 20:03.10 | mguy | LinuxGuy2009: Unless it directly relates to Debian, no |
| 20:03.12 | amphi | csupka91: if 'lm' is in the cpuflags, it's 64 bit |
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| 20:03.27 | csupka91 | ah true |
| 20:03.29 | csupka91 | yeah |
| 20:03.30 | csupka91 | thx |
| 20:03.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | mguy: Are you an OP? |
| 20:03.46 | csupka91 | bye, have a nice day |
| 20:03.52 | csupka91 | and thank you very much for you help |
| 20:04.33 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: he doesn't have to be; this chanel is fairly strictly ontopic, and nonsupport chatter is encouraged to move to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:04.37 | Amarande | ArtyG: heh, for some reason I never have much liking for the FCC. Maybe it's the way they were so heavy handed on CBS durign that Super Bowl. Or maybe it's Eminem. "So the F C C won't let me be, or let me be me so let me see ..." :D |
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| 20:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) he's gone b) that's far-out offtopic |
| 20:05.18 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 20:05.18 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 20:05.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, he's not gone, effing client |
| 20:05.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Ill have to make a mental note to never ask any wireless questions here if I ever have any. |
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| 20:06.21 | amphi | why constrain yourself to wireless questions? ;) |
| 20:06.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | hahaha |
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| 20:08.17 | ArtyG | Man, install on my Ultra 5 is going smooth, my dual-P3 system didn't go this smoothly. |
| 20:08.23 | mguy | Has anyone here installed to CF card? Is it worth buying the 'faster' cards? |
| 20:08.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | mguy: How does that relate to Debian support? |
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| 20:08.59 | ArtyG | Intalling debian to a CF card? |
| 20:09.02 | cahoot | LinuxGuy2009: cool it |
| 20:09.10 | iceroot | LinuxGuy2009: its related like mac and wep.... |
| 20:09.12 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: stop being a pain |
| 20:09.22 | jelly-home | ArtyG: that machine is basically a peecee, ide disk and cdrom, ATI Mach 64 graphics... |
| 20:09.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Trying to keep ontopic here. |
| 20:09.32 | abrotman | mguy: and the same answer would apply to faster disks |
| 20:09.43 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: if you're not going to be constructive, go somewhere else |
| 20:09.52 | dnlrg | hi, anyone running eclipse on testing? |
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| 20:09.55 | mguy | ArtyG: yes |
| 20:10.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh ok so only certain people are allowed to ask offtopic here. I see. |
| 20:10.41 | ArtyG | Actually, the Ultra 5 uses Rage Pro graphics. |
| 20:10.47 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: if you don't like it, you don't have to stay |
| 20:10.58 | ArtyG | Mach is more ISA and VLB cards. |
| 20:11.35 | Amarande | wow, VLB |
| 20:11.44 | Amarande | I'm not sure I ever actually HAD a VLB card :) |
| 20:11.44 | mac- | I`m safe ... ;p |
| 20:11.46 | mac- | even alone |
| 20:11.48 | ArtyG | I had a VTech with a VLB slot, it was awesome. |
| 20:11.49 | mac- | :D |
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| 20:11.59 | Wyzard | LinuxGuy2009: No, but there's a fine line between what's close-enough-to-topic and what isn't (and it varies depending on who's around) |
| 20:12.03 | jelly-home | ArtyG: oh right, it even has... 3D! :-) |
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| 20:12.13 | Amarande | Remember when local bus was considered a new and wondrous thing rather than standard? :) |
| 20:12.41 | mac- | Amarande: I had VLB on my motherboard |
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| 20:13.01 | mac- | but on these time got only Trident 9000i 512kB ISA card ;p |
| 20:13.02 | Amarande | I think I went straight from ISA to PCI |
| 20:13.08 | wols_ | VLB was a exported 486 bus. quite a trick in a SPARC |
| 20:13.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | I remember there being the word Debian in a few of those wifi comments a while ago and that was called offtopic. I got confused. |
| 20:13.21 | jelly-home | ArtyG: lenny d-i works nice on those... etch was painful, and transition from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel broke keyboard |
| 20:13.23 | ArtyG | Who said anything about VLB in a SPARC? |
| 20:13.32 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: drop it and move on |
| 20:13.36 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: i won't tell you again |
| 20:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh come on, it's as the factoid says, "a little is ok, but not too much" and discussing wireless details for half an hour and beyond the point where anyone has to say anything useful is just as much too much as discussing what is offtopic is, and can we drop it now? |
| 20:13.38 | mac- | VLB was incorrect, it was connected straight to CPU bus |
| 20:13.44 | Amarande | jelly: oh, come on, who needs a keyboard :) |
| 20:13.49 | Amarande | that was a quaint 90s thing! |
| 20:13.53 | ArtyG | VLB was kinda like PDS in that way, but PDS was more direct. |
| 20:13.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | You guys are the ones that keep bringing it back up not me. |
| 20:13.58 | mac- | exotic |
| 20:14.07 | Amarande | you mean you didn't get the wireless brain implant to allow direct mouseless, keyboardless control yet? :) |
| 20:14.16 | mac- | you could use 2, sometimes max 3 cards in one time |
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| 20:15.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | I appreciate you not telling me again. |
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| 20:20.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm wondering why aptitude can downgrade packages but synaptic and dpkg can't. |
| 20:21.01 | abrotman | they can |
| 20:21.04 | abrotman | well, dpkg can |
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| 20:21.29 | Wyzard | aptitude uses dpkg to install packages, including downgrades |
| 20:21.59 | abrotman | i don't use synaptic, can't comment on that one |
| 20:22.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well what I mean is it automatically knows what packages that need to be downgraded to satisfy deps. Instead of having to manually do them. |
| 20:22.31 | mguy | well dpkg is a pretty basic peice of software |
| 20:23.28 | chellomere | dpkg doesn't do any dependency inferring/planning etc |
| 20:23.29 | dpkg | chellomere: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:23.32 | Wyzard | apt's role (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, etc.) is figuring out what packages are needed and obtaining them, and dpkg's role is simply taking .deb files and installing them |
| 20:24.21 | Wyzard | dpkg doesn't attempt to figure out a solution when you give it a package with unsatisfied dependencies, because it expects that figuring to have been done beforehand |
| 20:24.22 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Wyzard |
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| 20:24.36 | pierre_le | synaptic never remember the "consider recommended packages as dependencies" checkbox flag. is it a bug of a forced default preference? |
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| 20:24.49 | jelly-home | try rephrasing your lines so they don't start with dpkg! |
| 20:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, he meant you're moron #1 |
| 20:25.08 | jelly-home | dpkg takes offence at that |
| 20:25.09 | dpkg | i don't know, jelly-home |
| 20:25.16 | wols_ | who reset dpkg's moron meter? |
| 20:25.35 | wols_ | I distinctly remember being one in the double digits |
| 20:25.37 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, I haven't been active here in awhile so I'm unfamiliar with the bot's new subtleties :-) |
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| 20:25.50 | Amarande | dpkg, what is the secret of life? |
| 20:25.51 | dpkg | Amarande: what are you talking about? |
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| 20:26.08 | Amarande | what a useless bot |
| 20:26.29 | Wyzard | dpkg: What is the answer to life, the universe, and everything? |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Wyzard |
| 20:26.34 | Wyzard | useless indeed |
| 20:26.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Wyzard, nah, everyone knows that anyway |
| 20:27.06 | seatstaken | there is no answer |
| 20:27.13 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 20:27.26 | chasing`Sol | rofl |
| 20:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone that counts anything |
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| 20:27.41 | dutchfish | !comfort babilen |
| 20:27.42 | dpkg | There, there, babilen. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:27.55 | dioz_mio | what is a good replacement for xterm if you are not using a DE? |
| 20:28.13 | jelly-home | dioz_mio: what's wrong with xterm? |
| 20:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on why'd you want to replace it? |
| 20:28.20 | Wyzard | dioz_mio: xterm isn't associated with any DE, so it should be fine if you're not using one |
| 20:28.30 | chellomere | dpkg knows the following, however: |
| 20:28.30 | amphi | dioz_mio: I like xfce4-term, if only for its ability to have tabs down the side, rather than along top or bottom |
| 20:28.31 | dpkg | chellomere: are you using Windows? |
| 20:28.34 | chellomere | !130! |
| 20:28.34 | dpkg | methinks 130! is 6,466,855,489,220,473,672,507,304,395,536,485,253,155,359,447,828,049,608,975,952,322,944,781,961,185,526,165,512,707,047,229,268,452,925,683,969,240,398,027,149,120,740,074,042,105,844,737,747,799,459,310,029,635,780,991,774,612,983,803,150,965,145,600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
| 20:28.39 | dioz_mio | jelly-home: too smaaaalll |
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| 20:28.46 | chellomere | and no, I didn't add it |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-home | do0ob: what is too small, sorry? |
| 20:29.05 | jelly-home | er, dioz_mio |
| 20:29.14 | babilen | dioz_mio: rxvt-unicode, eterm, aterm, ... |
| 20:29.19 | dioz_mio | jelly-home: the characters |
| 20:29.24 | dioz_mio | babilen: thanks man |
| 20:29.25 | jelly-home | dioz_mio: are you unaware there's a way to change the font? |
| 20:29.31 | dioz_mio | jelly-home: I know |
| 20:29.36 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a terminal war |
| 20:29.36 | dpkg | VT100 bites the big one! |
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| 20:29.57 | amphi | heh |
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| 20:30.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !start a nuclear war |
| 20:30.21 | dpkg | SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? |
| 20:30.30 | jelly-home | !botabuse |
| 20:30.31 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:30.42 | dutchfish | hides behind his Telesync |
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| 20:31.42 | jelly-home | dioz_mio: sorry, I don't get it. You know how to set the font, but still dislike something about it? |
| 20:31.43 | JordiGH | Oh shit. |
| 20:31.46 | JordiGH | Linux mounted / read-only. |
| 20:31.54 | streuner_ | jelly: s(he) left |
| 20:32.10 | streuner_ | hm, nickcompletition sucks here, no idea why |
| 20:32.11 | jelly-home | streuner_: my tab key says it ain't so |
| 20:32.15 | streuner_ | hm |
| 20:32.17 | JordiGH | is it ok to do a hard reboot? The usual reboot isn't working because some of the shut down axioms can't work. |
| 20:32.28 | streuner_ | * dios_mio hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: leaving) |
| 20:32.28 | streuner_ | * zophy hat die Verbindung getrennt (Remote host clos |
| 20:32.39 | JordiGH | Er, shut down procedures can't write to the disk. |
| 20:32.46 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I'd do a sync first, then it should be OK |
| 20:32.57 | dioz_mio | no i am here |
| 20:33.00 | Wyzard | JordiGH: The read-only remount process should've gotten the filesystem as in-sync as it's going to be |
| 20:33.00 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell JordiGH about sysrq |
| 20:33.02 | Amarande | Alt-SysRQ-S-U-B? |
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| 20:33.09 | jelly-home | right |
| 20:33.14 | streuner_ | oh, someone with s and z, my bad |
| 20:33.14 | JordiGH | In fact, it seems to have stalled at shutting down mysql. |
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| 20:33.26 | dioz_mio | jelly-home: yes, i dont like changing the font in the menu.. too much hassle |
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| 20:33.44 | Wyzard | JordiGH: If you have other filesystems, unmount them or make them read-only too |
| 20:33.50 | jelly-home | dioz_mio: you can set up the default in ~/.Xresources |
| 20:33.57 | dioz_mio | jelly-home: ooh thanks |
| 20:34.04 | JordiGH | This was with a new Linux. |
| 20:34.09 | JordiGH | 2.6.32 |
| 20:34.31 | Wyzard | I've been running 2.6.32 for weeks with no problems |
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| 20:35.02 | babilen | dioz_mio: You can configure xterm in .Xdefaults .. |
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| 20:35.12 | JordiGH | fsck is doing its thing now... |
| 20:35.14 | dioz_mio | thanks |
| 20:35.16 | JordiGH | crosses fingers. |
| 20:35.28 | babilen | too |
| 20:35.38 | jelly-home | dioz_mio: eg. XTerm*Font:-misc-fixed-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1 or XTerm*Font:10x20, or... use xfontsel to find a bitmap font you like |
| 20:36.10 | dioz_mio | jelly thanks |
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| 20:36.24 | jelly-home | dioz_mio: after editing that file, one has to either run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources or log off and log back on |
| 20:36.33 | helmut | has someone observed that a recent update of testing could have broken the ctrl-c key? |
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| 20:36.45 | JordiGH | crap |
| 20:36.46 | JordiGH | crap crap crap |
| 20:36.49 | JordiGH | fsck failed |
| 20:36.55 | JordiGH | Gaaahh... |
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| 20:37.31 | jelly-home | babilen: .Xdefaults has been deprecated in favor of .Xresources name for a while (that while is nearing a decade) |
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| 20:37.47 | JordiGH | I don't have a root password set. |
| 20:37.58 | jelly-home | JordiGH: how can that happen? |
| 20:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sudo, probably |
| 20:38.10 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I'm on sudo mode. |
| 20:38.16 | Wyzard | JordiGH: boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 20:38.32 | Wyzard | JordiGH: That'll get you a shell with a read-only root FS, no questions asked |
| 20:38.39 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Encrypted fs, will that prompt me for decryption password? |
| 20:38.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I mean, how does one get through the installer without it asking for the root password |
| 20:39.00 | JordiGH | jelly-home: There's an option to not set a root password, at higher asking levels. |
| 20:39.02 | Wyzard | JordiGH: It should -- your initramfs stuff will still run |
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| 20:39.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: there's a decisiosn you can make to disable it .. only ubuntu people think that's a good idea |
| 20:39.15 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 20:39.27 | dutchfish | jelly-home, the latest installer in expert mode gives you the option of sudoers only |
| 20:40.37 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Okay, I'm in grub, editing the commands. Where do I put init=/bin/bash? |
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| 20:40.54 | JordiGH | Wyzard: As an option to linux? |
| 20:40.55 | Wyzard | JordiGH: at the end of the kernel line |
| 20:40.56 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 20:42.51 | JordiGH | Alright... now let's fsck this mother. |
| 20:43.10 | JordiGH | fsck.crypto_LUKS not found |
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| 20:43.16 | JordiGH | blegh |
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| 20:43.33 | Wyzard | There's no such thing as fsck for LUKS, and there needn't be |
| 20:43.41 | pierre_le | JordiGH, maybe PATH is not set |
| 20:43.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: the way you started, I hope your backups work! |
| 20:43.56 | JordiGH | Ah, /dev/mapper/disk |
| 20:43.59 | Wyzard | You need to run fsck on the plaintext device -- it should be in /dev/mapper |
| 20:44.11 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 20:44.20 | JordiGH | jelly-home: The joys of running testing... I had been thinking of backing up for a long time. |
| 20:44.29 | jelly-home | o.O |
| 20:44.30 | JordiGH | At least the *really* important stuff is a repo somewhere. |
| 20:44.34 | HardDisk_WP | how do I check in GPG, if a given key is signed by a given other key? |
| 20:44.44 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: --list-sigs? |
| 20:44.51 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I've been running unstable for years and haven't had that happen, so I wouldn't blame it on running testing |
| 20:45.00 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, batch mode, I dont want to mess around with regexes... |
| 20:45.09 | Wyzard | JordiGH: You should check that drive for defects (e.g. SMART self-test) |
| 20:45.11 | HardDisk_WP | (at least, not if I can avoid it) |
| 20:45.26 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I just booted a new Linux today, so unless I very magically just coincidentially had a hardware failure at the same time, I blame Linux. |
| 20:45.34 | HardDisk_WP | I just need to check for this from a shellscript |
| 20:46.25 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I'm running 2.6.32-2-amd64 in unstable on my LVM-on-LUKS-on-mdraid and my filesystems are fine |
| 20:46.39 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Nice, mine are not. stfu with the wfm, it doesn't for me. :-) |
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| 20:47.14 | Wyzard | JordiGH: just pointing out that it may be hardware or something |
| 20:47.36 | Wyzard | but backups are a good idea regardless |
| 20:47.38 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Or it might be Linux. |
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| 20:47.48 | Wyzard | I use duplicity, run nightly from cron |
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| 20:48.16 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Don't defend unstable. It advertises these things can happen. |
| 20:48.21 | Amarande | "I had been thinking of backing up for a long time." |
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| 20:48.35 | Amarande | let's all point at Jordi and learn, this is why we actually back up our machines and do not merely THINK of backing them up |
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| 20:48.37 | JordiGH | Amarande: I know, I know... |
| 20:48.42 | iluminator101 | how do i transfer my old printer settings from /etc in an external drive to my laptop |
| 20:48.46 | squisher | Wyzard, how does duplicity compare to rsync? |
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| 20:48.59 | ArtyG | Wow, I've had this debian install going on for the past hour and it's still going. |
| 20:49.09 | Amarande | Dialup? |
| 20:49.13 | ArtyG | Nope. |
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| 20:49.28 | Wyzard | squisher: It uses an rsync-like delta algorithm (there's an rdifftar program in some other package that implements the same file format) |
| 20:49.29 | ArtyG | Old computer, slow CPU + hard drive. |
| 20:49.40 | HardDisk_WP | ArtyG, You stuck at "preparing tasksel"? |
| 20:49.45 | HardDisk_WP | Or where are you stuck? |
| 20:49.57 | JordiGH | Okay, one inode was really messed up. C'mon, fsck, don't find any more problems... c'mon... |
| 20:49.58 | seatstaken | i have been experiencing issues on activating swap... |
| 20:50.01 | ArtyG | Nope, not stuck anywhere, it's just installing the packages really slowly. |
| 20:50.11 | Wyzard | squisher: but instead of just synchronizing a tree of files, it wraps each delta into a self-contained file, optionally encrypted |
| 20:50.22 | HardDisk_WP | ArtyG, You stated the problem yourself ^^ |
| 20:50.35 | ArtyG | 73% now, woo! |
| 20:50.41 | Wyzard | squisher: so what's stored at the backup location is a base-backup tarball followed by a bunch of incremental tarballs, rather than all your files sitting out bare |
| 20:51.07 | squisher | Wyzard, right, thanks. |
| 20:51.36 | squisher | really needs to implement some backup scheme... |
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| 20:52.05 | babilen | squisher: also take a look at rdiff-backup and rsnapshot |
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| 20:52.20 | iluminator101 | how do i transfer my old printer settings from /etc in an external drive to my laptop |
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| 20:52.54 | jelly-home | ArtyG: also, dpkg/apt like having a lot of RAM (192-256M or more) |
| 20:53.01 | JordiGH | More problems... |
| 20:53.03 | Wyzard | squisher: I use a (somewhat complex) shell script that I wrote to manage my different backup sets, running duplicity with different options on different directories, and getting things like the remote backup URL from a config file |
| 20:53.07 | ArtyG | The weird-ass RAM that's in this might be hard to find. |
| 20:53.07 | JordiGH | Crap... |
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| 20:53.26 | ArtyG | At least, it looks weird. |
| 20:53.27 | jelly-home | ArtyG: there's lots of cheap Sun hw on ebay and in junkyards |
| 20:53.31 | ArtyG | Could just be weird SDRAM |
| 20:53.35 | Wyzard | squisher: but there's a package called "duply" (recently added to unstable) that looks like it does something similar, and I've been meaning to take a look at that |
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| 20:53.40 | JordiGH | "inodes that wer part of a corrupt orphan linked list found" |
| 20:54.31 | JordiGH | After this runs, how do check the integrity of packages? |
| 20:54.37 | JordiGH | There was something with debsums. |
| 20:54.38 | squisher | Wyzard, babilen, thanks for the pointers |
| 20:55.08 | JordiGH | Although I guess since my homedir is about 80-90% of my disk usage, that's where I'm more likely to find problems. |
| 20:55.09 | Wyzard | JordiGH: I use debsums for that, though AFAIK it can only check files that are actually shipped as part of packages, not things like config files and files generated by maintainer scripts |
| 20:55.34 | Backup | can some one link me a WEP wpa_supplicant.conf file? |
| 20:55.35 | JordiGH | hopes only the porn files had trouble. |
| 20:55.43 | dbbolton | when i try to boot my custom kernel i get this: buffer i/o error on device sda, logical block 0. but i don't get it with the stock kernel |
| 20:55.51 | Wyzard | squisher: The rdiff-backup program that babilen mentioned is the one I alluded to, whose archive format is used by duplicity |
| 20:55.59 | abrotman | and debsums does use the md5sum files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ .. which i suppose could have been altered |
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| 20:57.00 | JordiGH | Okay, some Wesnoth svn files had problems. No biggie. |
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| 20:58.34 | babilen | Backup: try /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wep.conf ;-) |
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| 20:58.52 | abrotman | wouldn't WEP and WPA .. not be the same conf ? |
| 20:59.12 | Backup | babilen: yeh i tried, but to no avail |
| 20:59.37 | squisher | Backup, just curious, why not use something like wicd? |
| 20:59.37 | babilen | Backup: what is the problem? |
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| 21:00.12 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Alright, what was your suggestion to test for hardware failure? |
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| 21:00.35 | Backup | http://pastebin.com/m6c09dusing that conf file ends up in wpa_supplicant going in a loop. not able to associate/authenticate |
| 21:00.50 | Wyzard | JordiGH: smartctl -t long /dev/sda |
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| 21:00.57 | Backup | and ofc, i forgot to put the debug log on my usb stick when i botted back |
| 21:00.58 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Wait a while, then smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda |
| 21:01.13 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Also check for bad cables, overheating, etc. |
| 21:01.30 | JordiGH | Wyzard: /dev/mapper, right? |
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| 21:01.41 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Or do you really mean /dev/sda? |
| 21:01.47 | Wyzard | No, you run smartctl on an actual disk |
| 21:01.54 | Wyzard | It doesn't care about the contents, be they encrypted or whatever |
| 21:02.06 | Wyzard | The "-t long" makes it instruct the drive to run its internal self-test procedure |
| 21:02.06 | Backup | babilen: /etc/network/interfaces is set to wlan0 inet auto |
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| 21:02.29 | Wyzard | and "-l selftest" shows the drive's internal self-test log, which will contain the results after the test is done |
| 21:02.58 | Backup | babilen: also, my user is a group member of netdev |
| 21:03.21 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 21:03.25 | JordiGH | The fan doesn't seem to be running. |
| 21:03.27 | JordiGH | ! |
| 21:03.28 | Wyzard | When you start the test it tells you how long it'll take... you can use the disk for other things while the test is in progress, but having to stop and service I/O requests will make it take longer than the initial estimate said |
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| 21:03.56 | babilen | Backup: You'll need netdev for n-m and wicd - Can you paste an excerpt from /var/log/daemon.log ? Have you tried wicd? |
| 21:04.18 | babilen | Backup: Also paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:05.34 | Backup | i have not tried wick. daemon.log does not excist. ill boot back and grab the content of my interfaces |
| 21:05.41 | Backup | wicd* |
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| 21:06.42 | Cr33pz0r | If i donwload disc 1 can i install debian? or do i need all the cd's? |
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| 21:07.19 | rudi_s | Cr33pz0r: No, just use the netinstall cd and the installer will fetch all the data it need. |
| 21:07.23 | rudi_s | s/fetch/download/ |
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| 21:16.28 | Brian_H | I am trying to pass Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth=0 to my apt.conf in my preseed install does anyone know how to do that? |
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| 21:19.33 | Backup | babilen: http://pastebin.com/m561bf546 That is my /etc/network/interfaces and the wpa_supplicant log |
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| 21:21.47 | willwh | hi guys, hoping someone might have run in to this before; Connecting to a Windows RDP (using the Terminal Services Client App - RDP v5.0) - if a Windows User attempts to join your session and "Remote Control" - the session dies with a protocol error |
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| 21:24.31 | dutchfish | willwh, well, i use KRDC and have no problems, some packages need however rdc:[ip] form or connect to port 3389 explicitely |
| 21:25.20 | dutchfish | willwh, s/rdc/rdp |
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| 21:27.02 | dutchfish | willwh, another thing is the ones i have tested do not automagically change color depth nor resolution, make sure you and you collegae use the same |
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| 21:28.20 | dutchfish | willwh, advanced crypto does not work along th elinux packages up untilnow and NAP is not supported |
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| 21:37.56 | xente | if so, has anyone found a solution? |
| 21:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | install the correct libraries? |
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| 21:38.17 | dutchfish | nkuttler, it goes like pxe/gpxe -> tftpboot -> syslinux -> os |
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| 21:38.26 | jok3r | xente, did you compile with arch? |
| 21:38.32 | JordiGH | Hm, no obvious data loss. |
| 21:38.46 | JordiGH | Maybe the universe is just trying to gently remind me to back up. |
| 21:38.55 | nkuttler | dutchfish: thanks |
| 21:38.56 | xente | jok3r: what do you mean? did I compile it specifying the arch? no |
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| 21:39.06 | xente | jok3r: it's a binary program |
| 21:39.11 | xente | jok3r: only |
| 21:39.22 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Looks like I lucked out, so far. |
| 21:39.27 | jok3r | xente, but if you use something like long long, it's just long in 64bit |
| 21:39.28 | jok3r | lol |
| 21:39.34 | JordiGH | lol |
| 21:39.57 | xente | jok3r: it's any binary...even just a hello world segfaults |
| 21:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 21:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | so where do you get hello-world binaries from |
| 21:40.25 | SparFux | HI all. Anybody good at ifupdown config? I want to know how to determine the physical network device belonging to a logical device. |
| 21:40.26 | Brian_H | how do you set apt.conf options in a preseed file? |
| 21:40.28 | jok3r | CutMeOwnThroat, echo Hello World |
| 21:40.30 | jok3r | :D |
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| 21:40.35 | xente | CutMeOwnThroat: I made it |
| 21:40.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you didn't compile it |
| 21:40.57 | jok3r | dubious... |
| 21:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody familiar with cron-apt? |
| 21:41.01 | xente | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I did, on another 32-bit machine |
| 21:41.11 | jok3r | xente, without the arch flags |
| 21:41.11 | JordiGH | Yeah, the 2.6.32 Linux is definitely giving me problems. At least, it's giving me problems in X. |
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| 21:41.29 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell Brian_H about preseed |
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| 21:41.40 | xente | jok3r: nope...but that shouldn't matter...it was working a while ago |
| 21:41.44 | JordiGH | That -trunk thing in the package name is no reassurance either. |
| 21:41.46 | csupka91 | hey! Do you know where does the debian save the mysql databases? |
| 21:41.47 | xente | err not long ago |
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| 21:42.00 | JordiGH | csupka91: /var/lib/mysql, iirc |
| 21:42.02 | jok3r | xente, on the 64bit system it was working and now it's not? |
| 21:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | xente, well, there we are back to what I said originally - install the 32-bit libs it need in the correct version |
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| 21:42.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | xente, or compile it as static |
| 21:42.18 | jok3r | or compile it for both arches |
| 21:42.27 | jok3r | but the easiest way is just get lib32.c |
| 21:42.34 | jhutchins_lt | csupka91: /var/lib/mysql/<databasename>/ by default, that's standard linux MySQL. |
| 21:42.39 | xente | jok3r: that is right and I don't remember if libc6-i386 was recently updated or not |
| 21:42.54 | jok3r | check the package |
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| 21:43.20 | xente | specifically, it was skype....it was working and then I think there was a libc6-i386 upgrade and now all 32-bit apps segfault |
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| 21:43.31 | Wyzard | JordiGH: The -trunk just means the packages didn't have a stable ABI yet -- they planned to make configuration changes that could cause modules built against one revision of the -trunk package to not work with a later revision of the -trunk package |
| 21:43.38 | csupka91 | And do you know it is possible, if I reinstalled the debian, and I lost my database, can I recover it? |
| 21:43.43 | Wyzard | JordiGH: There are -1 and -2 packages now too, btw |
| 21:43.47 | manicman | snort started by init script results in running snort as /usr/sbin/snort -m 027 -D -d -l /var/log/snort -u snort -g snort -c /etc/snort/snort.conf -S HOME_NET=[XXX.XXX.0.0/16] -i eth0. but snort doesent come up. if i start snort with snort -c /etc/snort/snort.conf everything is fine. any hints how to debug this? |
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| 21:44.03 | Wyzard | JordiGH: There was some discussion about it on debian-kernel |
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| 21:44.07 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Whatever it is, I definitely do not want. |
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| 21:44.48 | jok3r | why won't my apache redirect do as i want |
| 21:44.50 | jok3r | :X |
| 21:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | manicman, run it with the same arguments as the same user? |
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| 21:45.18 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: fails too |
| 21:45.21 | SparFux | in ifupdown if-up.d scripts the IFACE seems to be the same as LOGICAL for logical interfaces. Why is that? |
| 21:45.22 | manicman | without any error |
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| 21:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the error message and/or strace it? |
| 21:46.02 | xente | so, no one else here is running squeeze on amd64 with 32-bit apps? |
| 21:46.22 | xente | I just have to know that I am sane |
| 21:46.53 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: i cant see any errors with strace... |
| 21:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | liar! |
| 21:47.04 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: just like no error |
| 21:47.12 | manicman | lol |
| 21:47.32 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Yeah, those are in unstable. |
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| 21:47.36 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I'm not touching that shit. |
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| 21:48.15 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastie.org/819028 these are the last lines |
| 21:49.08 | JordiGH | csupka91: How did you lose the database, how did you reinstall the Debian? |
| 21:49.11 | jok3r | my redirect rules just aren't working.. |
| 21:49.15 | jok3r | bah, i'm leaving! |
| 21:49.17 | jok3r | good day! |
| 21:49.33 | AimHere | Prolonged and challenging macro |
| 21:49.36 | AimHere | You heard it! |
| 21:49.48 | AimHere | Oops wrong chan |
| 21:49.54 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Suit yourself, but I think you're assigning blame in the wrong place -- 2.6.32 is a released, stable kernel, and I've been using sid's kernel packages for years (including 2.6.32-trunk) without any spontaneous filesystem corruption |
| 21:50.17 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Then there's a huge coincidence that I get fs errors on the day I boot a new Linux. |
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| 21:50.27 | xente | I'll check back in a few |
| 21:50.33 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I had been running the older Linux for about two or three months. |
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| 21:50.49 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: if i remove the user/group id it works...:\ |
| 21:50.51 | JordiGH | Wyzard: And the new Linux gives me graphical errors in X too. |
| 21:51.00 | SparFux | Ok, /etc/network/run/ifstate does not to contain the device to actually be set up, when in the if-up.d scripts. |
| 21:51.01 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Clearly something is amiss with it. |
| 21:51.09 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Even if it wasn't to blame for my fs errors. |
| 21:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | manicman, from what |
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| 21:51.40 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: the -u snort -g snort in the commandline |
| 21:51.41 | JordiGH | Wyzard: And stfu with "wfm", please. There are documented bugs in unstable that cause data loss. :-) |
| 21:51.49 | csupka91 | Jordi I reinstalled Debian |
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| 21:51.57 | csupka91 | I deleted the whole /var and everything |
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| 21:52.04 | csupka91 | I have /var/www |
| 21:52.07 | csupka91 | I have 2 winchesters |
| 21:52.08 | JordiGH | csupka91: And you want to recover deleted files? |
| 21:52.12 | csupka91 | yeah |
| 21:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wfm? Write the Fucking Manual? |
| 21:52.17 | JordiGH | csupka91: Unpossible. |
| 21:52.20 | JordiGH | !wtf wfm |
| 21:52.22 | ax-ax | hello |
| 21:52.23 | dpkg | WFM: works for me |
| 21:52.26 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Not necessarily -- if you hadn't rebooted (or, probably, restarted X) in months, think about other software on your system that might have been upgraded during those months, so that now, after the reboot, that new code was running for the first time |
| 21:52.36 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 21:52.40 | csupka91 | to the another winchester I copied every php files every database |
| 21:52.46 | csupka91 | except the most important database :S |
| 21:52.49 | JordiGH | Wyzard: There had been plenty of reboots in the meantime. |
| 21:53.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 21:53.18 | jelly-home | csupka91: if you need that data and you reformatted the disk, contact a professional data recovery service |
| 21:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | manicman, probably user 'snort' doesn't have access to some file it needs to according to config? compare between users strace -f -F -e open |
| 21:53.46 | ax-ax | I did a aptitude safe-upgrade today and after it, my computer didn't boot. I used a super grub cd, and am now in that computer, but I wonder what I can do about it? |
| 21:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | look for ENOENT or whatever that was |
| 21:54.00 | jelly-home | csupka91: also, stop using that disk at once, cut the power if possible |
| 21:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, access error was something else |
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| 21:54.32 | csupka91 | I see |
| 21:54.48 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: year i like this strace options..:) |
| 21:54.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought he just deleted it, not reformated? |
| 21:54.53 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: /etc/prelude/profile/local-snort/config is the problem.. |
| 21:54.58 | ArtyG | Crazy. My install is done, but after it's done doing all the boot-time stuff (scrolling text and whatnot), the screen goes black and nothing happens. |
| 21:55.05 | JordiGH | I thought modern disks are pretty hard to undelete even if you have the FBI's arsenal of tools? |
| 21:55.11 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: should i just allow the snort user to read this file? |
| 21:55.18 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: this is 660 |
| 21:55.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess so |
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| 21:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, nah, was a breeze after breaking into the FBI headquarters to get their tools |
| 21:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | ArtyG: Sounds like a video driver problem. |
| 21:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | ArtyG: Anything happen if you press ctrl-alt-F1? |
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| 22:00.12 | ArtyG | Nothing. |
| 22:00.15 | ArtyG | My F and L keys do nothing. |
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| 22:03.27 | ArtyG | So, any ideas past bad video drivers? |
| 22:03.31 | drasko | hi all, I just checked my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it is empty. Is this by default in Debian? |
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| 22:05.01 | xente | so, if anyone was listening when I was on last, I know why, at least in part, 32-bit apps where segfaulting |
| 22:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | ArtyG: Do you know what video chipset you have? |
| 22:05.53 | ArtyG | ATi RAGE Pro |
| 22:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | ArtyG: You can try appending "single" to the boot string, see if you get a console. |
| 22:06.09 | ArtyG | Uh, okay, I'll just have to figure out how to do that. |
| 22:06.18 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: there where more error in /var/spool... should i create a bug report? just used default installation with prelude configuration. and all errors had to do with the prelude configuration stuff |
| 22:06.23 | drasko | hi all, I just checked my LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it is empty. Is this by default in Debian? |
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| 22:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | manicman, well, check if it's really coming from the package |
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| 22:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | drasko, yes |
| 22:07.20 | manicman | CutMeOwnThroat: dont understand |
| 22:08.05 | ax-ax | I don't have a menu.lst in /boot/grub. What can i do? :s |
| 22:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might have created the files when calling the program the first time from without an init script... |
| 22:09.13 | xente | ax-ax: what version of grub? |
| 22:09.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ax-ax, run update-grub? mind, if this is grub2 things might have changed |
| 22:09.22 | xente | it did change in grub2 |
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| 22:10.49 | Backup | how would i go about installing wicd on a debian box with no internet connection? do i manually have to download all the dependancies and put them on a usb? |
| 22:11.15 | ax-ax | ok i have a grub.cfg instead |
| 22:11.28 | Sier | Hello, I'm having problems with a fresh install of debian squeeze IA64. It detected everything during install, but now I'm constantly getting "eth0 link is down" and "eth0 link is up" messages.. the card is a e1000. Any suggestions? |
| 22:11.36 | ax-ax | it's grub2 suddenly :S |
| 22:11.57 | ArtyG | How the hell do I use the aforementioned "single" option in SILO? |
| 22:12.13 | ArtyG | I'm probably stupid to ask about SILO here, hahah. |
| 22:12.29 | xente | ax-ax: you edit grub2 by editing files in /etc/grub.d and editing /etc/default/grub |
| 22:12.43 | Elshar | Hey, anyone know of a good f/oss calendaring system that would (hopefully) sync with iphones and the like? |
| 22:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Backup, got another debian box? then /msg dpkg apt-zip |
| 22:13.03 | Backup | i got a remote one |
| 22:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elshar, did you do something like "apt-cache search calendar iphone"? |
| 22:15.16 | Elshar | I could, but I wanted input from someone already using software :P |
| 22:15.28 | Elshar | Otherwise, I could just google, or probably use google calendars :P |
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| 22:15.46 | MrFahrenheit | heh |
| 22:15.55 | xente | wow |
| 22:15.55 | Elshar | That was ... sad. |
| 22:16.00 | gusto | whats that shit here/ |
| 22:16.01 | ax-ax | /mode +b |
| 22:16.15 | heavenquake | what are we playing? |
| 22:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that was ... quick |
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| 22:16.26 | gusto | what happend? |
| 22:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nuffin much |
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| 22:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | just the regular idiots |
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| 22:17.38 | Bhavic | lol |
| 22:17.43 | gusto | these who are naming the nicks and so attending? |
| 22:17.50 | gusto | why are they doing that? |
| 22:18.14 | ranix | war with freenode |
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| 22:18.28 | ranix | something to do with rizon and gnaa |
| 22:18.31 | gusto | who is on war with freenode? |
| 22:18.45 | ranix | rizon/gnaa community |
| 22:18.48 | gusto | whats rizon and gnaa? |
| 22:18.55 | gusto | what community? |
| 22:19.02 | ranix | I don't know maybe you should go to google.com |
| 22:19.08 | AimHere | GNAA are a band of internet trolls called 'Gay Niggers Association of America' |
| 22:19.08 | gusto | OK |
| 22:19.09 | tensorpudding | gnaa is a professional trolling group |
| 22:19.17 | tensorpudding | don't visit their website |
| 22:19.22 | gusto | hahahahahhaa |
| 22:19.25 | tensorpudding | it's got a trap in it |
| 22:19.26 | AimHere | They dropped out of sight a while back and came back, only more pointless and less funny |
| 22:19.35 | ranix | also move this thread of conversation to #debian-offtopic |
| 22:19.42 | AimHere | Their proper website is okay, I thought. But they have a nasty shocksite |
| 22:20.05 | tensorpudding | the frontpage is fine, but one of the subpages launches soemthing nasty, can't remember which |
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| 22:20.45 | jelly-home | wikipedia has a page on that nasty, "Last Measure" |
| 22:20.45 | xente | don't want to know |
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| 22:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, you're right... it's sad... if you act as an idiot like this, you should at least be able to do much better than this |
| 22:22.03 | ArtyG | Hmm, damn, I can get into the command line, but this system no likey using WM. |
| 22:22.07 | MrNaz | "professional trolling group" ?! |
| 22:22.17 | MrNaz | that's the most hilarious profession ever |
| 22:22.27 | gusto | yes |
| 22:22.36 | jelly-home | they're offtopic here. Please use #debian-offtopic for discussion of gnaa idiots |
| 22:22.44 | gusto | there are also professional swindlers out there, so why not professional trolls |
| 22:22.55 | MrNaz | gusto how do you make money trolling ? |
| 22:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, who's paying them for one thing |
| 22:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | moves to #d-ot |
| 22:23.18 | gusto | MrNaz, CutMeOwnThroat maybe microsoft |
| 22:23.46 | MrNaz | gusto err... only the most rabidly conspiracy inclined could believe that |
| 22:24.28 | gusto | MrNaz, yes, but US had a president who was doing exaclty that |
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| 22:24.53 | gusto | MrNaz, when no one would believe, that you are able to do sth. then do it and no one notics |
| 22:25.31 | gusto | notices |
| 22:25.32 | MrNaz | i dont think so... controlling trolls is pretty hard... word would eventually get out when some troll gets bored and decides to out them |
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| 22:37.44 | jelly-hme | dbbolton: that doesn't answer my question though. a=$(readlink -f /sys/block/sda/device); ls -ld $a/../../../driver |
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| 22:38.24 | jelly-hme | !tell ArtyG about pastebinit |
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| 22:38.42 | jelly-hme | also, |
| 22:38.44 | jelly-hme | !sparc |
| 22:38.44 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:39.16 | dbbolton | jelly-hme ok. i'm trying generating a bootlog on the bad kernel now |
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| 22:41.12 | ArtyG | http://pastebin.com/f1e737d5c |
| 22:41.46 | ArtyG | http://wiki.debian.org/XorgOnSparc I'm reading this at the moment to see if there's something interesting that could be of use. |
| 22:42.58 | jelly-hme | ArtyG: what's the pci-id on that rage pro? |
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| 22:43.46 | jelly-hme | ArtyG: I meant X logs, sorry. /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:44.27 | dbbolton | jelly-hme this time it dropped my to a "initramfs" busybox shell instead of panicking, so i guess that's an improvement |
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| 22:45.39 | dbbolton | now it's saying /dev/disk/by-uuid/STRING doesn't exist |
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| 22:47.10 | ArtyG | Damnit, I can't remember any of this stuff. What command can I use to just plain read out a text file into the terminal so I can use pastebinit on it? |
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| 22:47.45 | babilen | ArtyG: Just 'pastebinit <file>' - but you were probably looking for 'cat' |
| 22:47.49 | ArtyG | Ahh. |
| 22:47.57 | lpj | i've hosed my /usr directory. Given a list of package names and versions (as output by dpkg -l), how can I translate them into paths that I can feed to wget to download .deb files? |
| 22:48.10 | dbbolton | ArtyG or cat >file.txt, then upload file.txt |
| 22:48.31 | dbbolton | jelly-hme it's using sata-via |
| 22:48.55 | lpj | or is there some file which keeps track of the URL where the individual .debs were originally downloaded from? |
| 22:48.59 | simonrvn | lpj: a bit of text processing and file cutting |
| 22:49.15 | lpj | simonrvn: i see that the files are spread into different dirs on the ftp server |
| 22:49.39 | simonrvn | what does that have to do with anything with reinstalling? |
| 22:49.44 | ArtyG | http://pastebin.com/f56d06b0b |
| 22:50.05 | ArtyG | I tried using r128 drivers, so if those show up there, you'll know why. |
| 22:50.06 | simonrvn | and why don't you have backups? :) |
| 22:50.17 | lpj | simonrvn: the structure is apparently not quite alphabetic.. there is an 'a' subdir, but also something like 'lib3' |
| 22:50.37 | simonrvn | lpj: ignore that, it's irrelevant |
| 22:51.16 | jelly-hme | dbbolton: that machine looks somewhat old... have you tried different boot params that mess with acpi and/or various ways of pci enumeration and irq assignment? |
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| 22:51.48 | jelly-hme | ArtyG: do you have a log using the "ati" driver? |
| 22:51.48 | lpj | simonrvn: then, there seems to be some logic how packages are grouped together into dirs.. eg apt stuff (multiple .debs) are in the apt subdir |
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| 22:52.06 | dbbolton | jelly-home no, because i've never needed any special args before |
| 22:52.11 | ArtyG | I changed my xorg.conf for ati and I'm rebooting now. |
| 22:52.22 | lpj | simonrvn: I'm not sure how to figure out that I should look for apt-utils.deb in /debian/pool/main/a/apt/ |
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| 22:52.31 | simonrvn | lpj: there is yes, but this doesn't help with reinstalling |
| 22:52.37 | nkuttler | ArtyG: um, why do you reboot? |
| 22:52.44 | simonrvn | lpj: you're going about it the wrong way IMO |
| 22:52.51 | lpj | simonrvn, if I manage to fetch all those packages, I can just dpkg -x and write the files back to /usr |
| 22:52.51 | ArtyG | Because I like to. |
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| 22:52.58 | lpj | simonrvn, the challenge is how to fetch all of them |
| 22:53.01 | ArtyG | I know I don't have to, but I'd rather, just to see what it does. |
| 22:53.22 | lpj | simonrvn, or what would you suggest instead? |
| 22:53.37 | simonrvn | you could you know get another box to get those... |
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| 22:53.53 | lpj | simonrvn, I do have another box, but a different architecture |
| 22:53.56 | simonrvn | and use already present normal package tools |
| 22:54.02 | dbbolton | jelly-hme it's from 2005-2006 |
| 22:54.41 | jelly-hme | does Stop-A; boot; on ArtyG |
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| 22:55.13 | lpj | simonrvn, so basically I have a /var/lib/dpkg/status from the broken box, a working inet connection, and I'm pondering how to proceed |
| 22:55.27 | simonrvn | lpj: i have a potentially dangerous, silly but maybe useful. change the arch the other box has temporarily in apt's config, download all those, dpkg -x them somewhere and fix /usr. maybe bunging in the HDD from the FUBAR box. |
| 22:55.38 | simonrvn | useful idea* |
| 22:55.53 | lpj | lpj: how do I download per apt without installing? |
| 22:55.59 | ArtyG | http://pastebin.com/f4d95016 |
| 22:56.12 | simonrvn | aptitude download fetches all of them into $PWD |
| 22:56.22 | simonrvn | apt-get -d same thing |
| 22:56.59 | simonrvn | lpj: it's for this to work, you'd have to change the apt arch string first. AND NOT FORGET YOU DID THAT ;). |
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| 22:57.14 | simonrvn | because you don't want to screw the other too ;) |
| 22:57.28 | lpj | simonrvn, ok, it sounds cool |
| 22:57.40 | simonrvn | just a crazy thought *shrug* |
| 22:58.30 | lpj | hmm it's not in the sources.list |
| 22:58.30 | lpj | and not in apt.conf |
| 22:58.32 | simonrvn | lpj: as for your dpkg -l output, i'd just use awk or perl to sort it out |
| 22:58.48 | lpj | yes sure no prob processing dpkg -l output |
| 22:58.52 | simonrvn | oh it might be in /etc/dpkg lemme check |
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| 23:00.04 | simonrvn | remembers seeing this a while ago |
| 23:00.41 | lpj | maybe it's an option which has some default value (from uname etc) |
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| 23:02.14 | ArtyG | Apparently, my problem is not original or new. |
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| 23:04.03 | franxo | hi |
| 23:04.22 | franxo | i've already installed debian |
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| 23:04.38 | jelly-hme | ArtyG: you might want to try etch, I think X worked then |
| 23:04.42 | simonrvn | lpj: i remember, it was in the example config file |
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| 23:04.59 | franxo | but i don't know how i can install my rt73usb wifi driver |
| 23:05.10 | franxo | i need it |
| 23:05.18 | dbbolton | jelly-hme i tried acpi=off, no dice. anything else that wold explain why the stock kernel boots fine and the custom one doesn't? |
| 23:05.19 | simonrvn | lpj: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 23:05.38 | lpj | found it http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt.conf |
| 23:06.12 | franxo | lpj; the messege is for me? |
| 23:06.17 | jelly-hme | dbbolton: do a binary search on .config :-) |
| 23:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lpj, Packages.gz for your repo tells you which subdirectory they're in |
| 23:06.58 | dbbolton | jelly-hme do you think i should file a bug report? |
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| 23:07.34 | lpj | franxo, no sorry |
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| 23:08.42 | franxo | lpj: ok |
| 23:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell franxo -about rt73usb |
| 23:09.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | also (obviously) /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
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| 23:09.53 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, I assume I have to apt-get update to fetch Packages.gz after changing the APT::Architecture option |
| 23:10.08 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, and I hope it won't hose the non-broken system |
| 23:10.28 | lpj | (for this non-broken one I happen to have a full backup lol) |
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| 23:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | change architecture? |
| 23:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 23:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't you just use apt-zip? |
| 23:12.15 | franxo | and how can I install extra-codecs? |
| 23:12.31 | franxo | I installed testing version |
| 23:12.33 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:13.44 | adb | !tell franxo about dmm squeeze |
| 23:13.47 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm restoring a broken amd64 box using a working x86 one |
| 23:14.12 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, so I temporarily changed my arch to amd64 and now I'm trying to download all packages using apt-get -d install |
| 23:14.38 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm at the stage that it's complaining about deps (I hope I can force those WITHOUT anything being installed! because of -d) |
| 23:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | lpj, have a look at apt-zip... |
| 23:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell lpj -about apt-zip |
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| 23:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm looking at the package just now, seems it's also taking your current architecture for granted... still, it's probably better than confusing apt :) |
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| 23:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | also look for hints in http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html |
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| 23:17.57 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, I will if I don't succeed just downloading all the damn stuff.. now i even found --print-uris in apt-get, but it still barks at deps |
| 23:18.30 | lpj | CutMeOwnThroat, or maybe I will resort to parsing Packages.gz |
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| 23:18.43 | Azrael_- | what package provides "dch"? |
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| 23:19.22 | rudi_s | Azrael_-: devscripts |
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| 23:20.16 | themill | Azrael_-: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 23:20.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | thou shalt not have any friends benext to google! |
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| 23:21.18 | dbbolton | what is in the "standard system" task? |
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| 23:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | init? :) |
| 23:22.13 | nkuttler | i think he's referring to tasksel |
| 23:22.20 | themill | dpkg: tell dbbolton about standard task |
| 23:22.24 | dbbolton | it doesn't show up in tasksel --list-tasks after the installation |
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| 23:23.21 | dbbolton | dpkg: tell themill thanks ;) |
| 23:23.28 | themill | :) |
| 23:24.24 | FluxD | Hi, I am looking for a command to erase all files older than 30 days in a folder and I found find /directoryname -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm {} \; but it has files from 2009 |
| 23:26.05 | dbbolton | FluxD find |
| 23:26.22 | dbbolton | i mean man find |
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| 23:26.49 | FluxD | yea dbbolton I did find /directoryname -type f -mtime +30 -exec rm {} \; |
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| 23:27.17 | themill | FluxD: that should be fine, although -delete would be even better... |
| 23:27.38 | dbbolton | wasn't 2009 30 days ago? |
| 23:27.47 | dbbolton | i mean it is february |
| 23:27.56 | dbbolton | and january has 31 days |
| 23:27.56 | FluxD | yea so there should be no 2009 files |
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| 23:28.15 | FluxD | themill, can you paste a sample command? |
| 23:28.15 | dbbolton | you said older than 30 days in your question |
| 23:28.18 | nooper | FluxD: man find says mtime will find files modified 30*24 hours ago at most |
| 23:28.30 | themill | FluxD: you've not explained what's wrong yet |
| 23:28.39 | FluxD | okay let me correct |
| 23:28.52 | FluxD | I want to delete all files older than 30 days |
| 23:29.13 | FluxD | nooper, so mtime has a limit ? |
| 23:29.29 | nooper | i mean if you give it -mtime 30 |
| 23:29.29 | dbbolton | how is a file from 2009 not older than 30 days? |
| 23:29.30 | nooper | + |
| 23:29.33 | nooper | no limit |
| 23:29.53 | nooper | ignore me i said that all wrong |
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| 23:30.06 | FluxD | dbbolton, its not deleting file from 2009 |
| 23:30.28 | dbbolton | oh, you meant that they were left over after the command. i see |
| 23:30.32 | FluxD | yea |
| 23:30.33 | FluxD | sorry |
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| 23:30.56 | FluxD | Is there any other command I can use ? |
| 23:31.00 | dbbolton | maybe it's the y2x+10 bug |
| 23:31.08 | dbbolton | y2k* |
| 23:31.38 | FluxD | :S |
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| 23:32.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | _modified_ |
| 23:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | modified != created |
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| 23:33.45 | FluxD | CutMeOwnThroat, so is there one for modified ? |
| 23:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so you _were_ referring to modified? |
| 23:34.56 | FluxD | I just want them gone created or modified |
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| 23:37.17 | dbbolton | is there a command line argument for "use strict"? i searched the perlrun manpage but didn't find one |
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| 23:37.29 | Azrael_- | is such a inode-table-usage normal or should i be worried about the wide range of variation in it? http://www.arjenrobben.com/munin/localhost/localhost-open_inodes.html |
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| 23:39.45 | Tramp | FluxD: in some subdir, "ls -l", then run the command you showed us, then show "ls -l" of a file that survived - in some pastebin. |
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| 23:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | FluxD, that much about what find can do http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind#Searching_based_on_times |
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| 23:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | -mtime +30 should be fine |
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| 23:42.05 | datachild | I'm having issues with installing gnome-core via apt-get, i an error regarding a missing dekstop/background png. I tried updating my sources.list and added non-free, did a apt-get clean and then a apt-get install gnome-core |
| 23:42.09 | datachild | but i still get that error |
| 23:42.40 | FluxD | Tramp, the dir I am trying to delete has abt 5000 files :/ |
| 23:42.46 | Tramp | Azrael_-: well, check what job it could be that uses 500k inodes after midnight. Some backup-job maybe |
| 23:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now you want us to make a guessing game out of what the exact error was? :) |
| 23:43.14 | Tramp | FluxD: show me 1 file, reduce the find to this file, show me the file afterwards |
| 23:43.46 | babilen | datachild: Use aptitude - and paste the output please. |
| 23:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and possibly stat file |
| 23:44.04 | Tramp | if the file you picked did /not/ survive (which is the expected outcome) - repeat. Could take a while ... |
| 23:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, aww, you're ruining the game :( |
| 23:44.42 | Tramp | FluxD: then, if you find a file that survives, we can look into the issue ... |
| 23:44.50 | SmokingRope_ | i ran an apt-get upgrade, it brought up a window telling me that it wanted to overwrite php.ini, i chose to go back to shell to resolve the merge conflicts, and now i don't know how to continue |
| 23:45.05 | FluxD | Tramp, okay let me see |
| 23:45.12 | Tramp | FluxD: and, btw, instead of the "-exec ..." you can just use "-delete" |
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| 23:46.05 | FluxD | Tramp, find /directoryname -type f -mtime +30 -delete ? |
| 23:46.27 | themill | SmokingRope_: exit the shell |
| 23:46.35 | SmokingRope_ | aha |
| 23:46.38 | SmokingRope_ | thank you :) |
| 23:46.40 | cadu | hey guys! question: i have this laptop with a japanese keyboard... how do i change the keyboard layout in the console/X11 (to make it permanent)...dpkg-reconfigure something? |
| 23:47.08 | SmokingRope_ | themill: did just what i needed |
| 23:47.39 | themill | :) |
| 23:47.53 | Tramp | FluxD: well, you can just use with additional "-name mysurvivorfile.txt" if you know a file that survives |
| 23:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, you did manage to keep it simple there... perfect adherence to the kiss rule |
| 23:48.36 | FluxD | Tramp, I want to test with -delete first |
| 23:48.57 | Tramp | FluxD: ah, you just wanted me to show that - yes, that's ok |
| 23:49.01 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: I was going to just say "^D" but that's bordering on cryptic |
| 23:49.24 | FluxD | Tramp, find /directoryname -type f -mtime +30 -delete ? that works instead of -exec part ? |
| 23:49.37 | Tramp | FluxD: it does the same |
| 23:49.41 | FluxD | cool I will try |
| 23:50.03 | Tramp | FluxD: so a file magically surviving the rm will also magically survive the -delete, and that's what's puzzling you (and me) |
| 23:50.18 | FluxD | yea I guess |
| 23:50.51 | datachild | babilen: ah, don't worry tho.. I think it was due to a bad install. |
| 23:51.02 | datachild | babilen: i'm installing using a USB-cd drive for a laptop |
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| 23:51.12 | datachild | it tends to fail at times when its not spun up |
| 23:51.29 | FluxD | Tramp, hmm still no good lrwxrwxrwx 1 fluxd fluxd 65 2009-12-06 22:58 |
| 23:51.46 | Tramp | FluxD: that's a link, not a file |
| 23:52.04 | FluxD | ohhh! |
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| 23:52.15 | Tramp | blinding flash of the obvious hits .... |
| 23:52.27 | FluxD | Wow that was very dumb of me |
| 23:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | glad we could make that clear to you |
| 23:52.55 | FluxD | Tramp, so -type l to delete them ? |
| 23:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:52.58 | FluxD | lol |
| 23:53.16 | Tramp | FluxD: sure. that will then leave only sockets, pipes and stuff like that |
| 23:53.53 | FluxD | okay thanks |
| 23:54.18 | Tramp | FluxD: what you maybe want is "! -type d", but that's just a wild guess |
| 23:54.50 | FluxD | Tramp, Can I do -type f l for links and files ? |
| 23:54.58 | FluxD | thanks for helping CutMeOwnThroat :) |
| 23:55.09 | Tramp | FluxD: no. You have to give 2 type-options and "or" them |
| 23:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, softlinks generally don't use up massive amounts of disk-space |
| 23:55.47 | FluxD | it does take up screen space on ls :p |
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| 23:55.59 | Tramp | FluxD: but by finding out, how to do that and "and" it with the -mtime, you will learn about find-syntax :) |
| 23:56.26 | FluxD | Tramp, find /directoryname -type f -type l -mtime +30 -delete I assume ? |
| 23:56.35 | Tramp | no |
| 23:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | "this is left as an exercise to the reader" |
| 23:56.51 | FluxD | Its fine I will just do it twice :) |
| 23:56.55 | Tramp | but if I have to type "no" for every try you'll come up with, that could takea while ... |
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| 23:57.08 | FluxD | and thanks for the help Tramp |
| 23:57.13 | Tramp | yw |
| 23:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^---- yawning wildly |
| 23:57.24 | ravenbird | CutMeOwnThroat: are you using Windows? |
| 23:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ravenbird, shuddup |
| 23:57.33 | ravenbird | CutMeOwnThroat: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:57.43 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yelling weirdly |
| 23:57.49 | FluxD | PEBKAC |
| 23:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes wobbly |
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| 23:59.21 | Tramp | you weirdo |
| 23:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yearning wery |
