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| 00:02.52 | rainy-day | what is the difference between klogd and sysklogd, and which files in /var/log/ do they correspond to? |
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| 00:04.36 | nooper | /etc/rsyslog.conf explains the files |
| 00:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show klogd sysklogd |
| 00:04.53 | rainy-day | ok thanks |
| 00:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | should explain the difference |
| 00:05.07 | Tramp | welll ...... |
| 00:05.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | should explain the differences well? |
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| 00:06.15 | Tramp | the most important fact is, that from lenny on they are replaced by rsyslogd |
| 00:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm in a pre-post-lenny timezone |
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| 00:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxde? |
| 00:09.11 | themill | kde |
| 00:09.26 | cadu | hey guys! question: i have this laptop with a japanese keyboard... how do i change the keyboard layout in the console/X11 (to make it permanent)...dpkg-reconfigure something? |
| 00:09.36 | themill | dpkg: tell Kryll about polls |
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| 00:10.25 | Kryll | ??? |
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| 00:11.15 | Kryll | so can I uninstall gnome and install something like xfce |
| 00:11.44 | babilen | yes |
| 00:11.57 | babilen | but XFCE is not really lightweight ;-) |
| 00:13.14 | Tramp | cadu: console-setup maybe - not sure |
| 00:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, I weighed a hard-disk before and after installing it... you'd be surprised! |
| 00:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | for X it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:13.56 | Kryll | its not o.O |
| 00:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Option "XkbLayout" "somelayout,someotherlayout" in section InputDevice |
| 00:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | make one with X -configure if you don't have one |
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| 00:15.37 | simonrvn | babilen: compared to gnome it is. compared to lxde it isn't. |
| 00:15.57 | babilen | yes |
| 00:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're anti-science, ignoring my scientific approach |
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| 00:17.59 | wish^ | i need to find the irssi config file |
| 00:18.53 | adb | dpkg -L irssi |
| 00:18.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching irssi |
| 00:19.30 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if I'm doing something wrong with this document or if I'm just being OCD about the appearance of punctuation since I plan on having it printed :S |
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| 00:22.07 | bs_ | hi |
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| 00:24.41 | stack_underflow | using debian lenny here; is it safe to remove xserver-xorg-video packages that I don't need? I have an intel gma 950 and I noticed I had a video package for intel's i740 and after removing it through aptitude, I noticed a 30 fps increase in a game I play |
| 00:25.15 | stack_underflow | is it recommended to remove the video packages belonging to ati, voodoo, etc? (i'm on a laptop so my hardware will remain the same) |
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| 00:29.48 | ledestin | stack_underflow: nothing bad should come out of it. try and see how much more fps you can save. |
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| 00:30.09 | ledestin | stack_underflow: you could also try installing i740 back again and see if you lose your FPS. |
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| 00:31.24 | manuel__ | hi |
| 00:31.46 | manuel__ | i am searching a sed line to __replace__ empty line with %% |
| 00:31.49 | manuel__ | many thanks |
| 00:32.27 | themill | dpkg: tell manuel__ about sed tutorial |
| 00:33.17 | manuel__ | themill, where? |
| 00:33.34 | themill | manuel__: the bot "dpkg" just sent you some information. |
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| 00:39.40 | stack_underflow | ledestin, good idea, i'll try it out and document the changes, have to go now, thanks for the advice |
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| 00:42.57 | Mish- | Compiled and installed a new kernel, it panics on boot though, I used the old .config file and ran "make oldconfig" then "make-kpkg kernel_image" and then "dpkg -i kern..." anyone have any pointers? There's no initrd in grub for this kernel and there was for previous kernels... Any ideas? |
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| 00:45.12 | abrotman | Mish-: do the initramfs ? |
| 00:45.39 | markinfo | i have recompiled kernel - but now skype segfaults - probably due to running 32bit applicatin on my amd64. Ist that right? What is wrong? |
| 00:45.53 | Mish- | abrotman: When do I do that? |
| 00:46.02 | markinfo | i used until now always vanilla kernel. |
| 00:47.06 | markinfo | Mish-, the easiest: cp /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/examples/etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs /etc/kernel/postinst.d/ |
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| 00:47.48 | Mish- | Why isn't that done by default?!? |
| 00:47.55 | markinfo | and then make-kpkg ..... and by the installation of kernel deb package will be initrd automaticaly made |
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| 00:48.15 | abrotman | Mish-: why are you compiling a kernel anyway ? |
| 00:48.36 | Mish- | markinfo: That file doesn't exist in any folder called postinst.d |
| 00:48.39 | markinfo | you need parametr --initrd to make-kpkg ...i do not know why is this per default |
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| 00:49.33 | markinfo | Mish-, yeah - thats why is not initrd made by the package installation of your compiled kernel. |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | Mish-: how did you compile the kernel? why are you compiling a kenrel ? |
| 00:50.24 | Mish- | abrotman: HyperV cluster, the new kernel has fixes. |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | Mish-: and how ? using kernel-package ? |
| 00:51.00 | Mish- | Yep |
| 00:51.39 | markinfo | or use update-initramfs -k your_kernel_name -c |
| 00:51.45 | Amarande | yay clusters |
| 00:52.03 | Amarande | wonders what one would want that much computing power for on a personal machine though :S |
| 00:52.09 | Amarande | I'm also still foggy on exactly how they work |
| 00:52.25 | Amarande | or how those weird network based video renderer devices from nvidia work for that matter |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | !tell Mish- about kp mantra |
| 00:52.55 | markinfo | ist there a way to find why skype segfaults with myself compiled kernel? |
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| 00:53.04 | abrotman | strace it ? |
| 00:53.28 | markinfo | execve("/usr/bin/skype", ["skype"], [/* 23 vars */]) = 0 |
| 00:53.28 | markinfo | [ Process PID=12572 runs in 32 bit mode. ] |
| 00:53.28 | markinfo | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 00:53.28 | markinfo | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
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| 00:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 00:53.34 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:53.41 | themill | s/happy// |
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| 00:53.46 | Amarande | !fail |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | !!fail ? |
| 00:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, guess he's happy enough |
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| 00:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | else he wouldn't have left, right? |
| 00:54.42 | markinfo | strace: execve("/usr/bin/skype", ["skype"], [/* 23 vars */]) = 0 |
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| 00:54.50 | dondelelcaro | markinfo: please don't paste here |
| 00:54.59 | markinfo | [ Process PID=12572 runs in 32 bit mode. ] |
| 00:55.34 | Amarande | don, btw, is that Don del el Caro, or Don de Lel Caro? :) |
| 00:55.42 | markinfo | is necessary to prepare something for 32 bit apps under amd64? |
| 00:55.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell Amarande -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 00:56.22 | Amarande | wow, dpkg knows everything |
| 00:57.10 | jelly-hme | dpkg: who owns you |
| 00:57.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 00:57.30 | Amarande | except, apparently, the secret of life |
| 00:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's still the meaning of life, the universe and everything |
| 00:57.56 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.56 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 00:58.23 | agike | ! dpkgbot |
| 00:58.24 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also ask me about <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 00:58.54 | themill | agike: feel free to "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" etc |
| 00:59.06 | markinfo | what is the easiest way to test if any 32 bit app is not able to run in my system? |
| 00:59.09 | tapuz | what option do I need to put in fstab so I can mount an ntfs partition with non-root user able to read it ? |
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| 00:59.35 | uber_noober | is it possible for someone to help me with an installation question concerning java? |
| 00:59.44 | dark | markinfo, I would like to know about 32bits on 64bits too. I think that there is a package for 32bits libraries on a debian amd64.. (BTW: http://paste.debian.net for pasting) |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | uber_noober: ask |
| 00:59.49 | uber_noober | thank you |
| 00:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, and I don't know how useful that is (or if you want to remove them), ... but FYI, someone seems someone made factoids for pretty much all factorials between !1 and !150 |
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| 01:00.06 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: aren't they really old ? |
| 01:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 01:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1st time I see them |
| 01:00.16 | Amarande | !150! |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, 150! is 57,133,839,564,458,545,904,789,328,652,610,540,031,895,535,786,011,264,182,548,375,833,179,829,124,845,398,393,126,574,488,675,311,145,377,107,878,746,854,204,162,666,250,198,684,504,466,355,949,195,922,066,574,942,592,095,735,778,929,325,357,290,444,962,472,405,416,790,722,118,445,437,122,269,675,520,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
| 01:00.28 | uber_noober | I am trying to install a broker softwareThink or Swim and am following these instructions: http://pastebin.com/d3a8a6802 |
| 01:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo 120! |
| 01:00.39 | dpkg | 120! -- created by localhost <root@a1-3c045.neo.rr.com> at Tue Oct 30 14:42:35 2001 (3025 days). |
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| 01:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 01:00.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, does that make them useful? |
| 01:00.54 | uber_noober | But when I try to run the installer I get the following: http://pastebin.com/d3b89a6cf |
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| 01:01.19 | uber_noober | any ideas abrotman? |
| 01:01.22 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: they're part of the base set |
| 01:01.40 | abrotman | uber_noober: that software is really old .. it may not work with newer javas |
| 01:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... oh well... just struck me as funny |
| 01:01.56 | markinfo | dark, you know - i have only changed the kernel - vanila 2.6.32 for self compiled kernel 2.6.32 - and skype segfaults - it has run before. |
| 01:02.23 | uber_noober | I guess it's looking for java 1.4; so there's no way to fool the installer? |
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| 01:02.50 | dark | markinfo, interesting :) do you have more info you can provide? if it's squeezy or sid, etc |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | uber_noober: that's more of a ##java question |
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| 01:03.58 | uber_noober | ur right, i'll check there. Lots of thanks |
| 01:04.12 | markinfo | dark, squeeze ... but to be realy sure i will start vanilla kernel an look if skype really still work. |
| 01:05.33 | dark | markinfo, I think I don't have sufficient knowledge to solve your issue, but if you state your problem with more specific details (such as error messages and version numbers, all into paste.ubuntu.net), someone surely could help you ^^ |
| 01:05.37 | dark | ... |
| 01:06.39 | Kryll | ok I install lsde but now I have no more sound I also installed alsa |
| 01:06.46 | Kryll | lxde |
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| 01:07.48 | liable | hmm, i have a line of blue pixels running down my screen.. might be time to buy a new laptop i think |
| 01:07.50 | dark | Kryll, you had sound before? the sound stopped working in environments other than lxde? |
| 01:08.16 | Kryll | no it worked in gnome but doesnt work in lxde |
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| 01:09.52 | dark | liable, does it happen when your laptop is cool as well? or just when it is too hot? |
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| 01:10.23 | liable | all the time. it just started doing it |
| 01:10.24 | dark | Kryll, so if you go to gnome now, the sound will work, but in lxde the sound do not work? hm o.o |
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| 01:11.00 | dark | Kryll, do you use pulseaudio? (i think debian disable this by default, but i am not sure) |
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| 01:13.04 | dark | liable, http://www.google.com/search?q=blue+pixels+screen are the first and fourth links similar to your problem? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071227191945AA9PxLy and http://www.asklaptopfreak.com/laptop-notebook-help/2008/03/22/my-screen-has-random-blue-pixels/ |
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| 01:14.08 | dark | Kryll, *here* I had a problem: my user wasn't on "audio" group, the group of users that will be able to play audio. (It wasn't on "video" audio either, so the video access wasn't accelerated) |
| 01:14.27 | liable | dark: nah, its a one pixel thick line running right down the screen. i'm guessing my video card is the culprit |
| 01:14.40 | dark | Kryll, but this don't seem to be your case.. |
| 01:15.15 | dark | liable, what you mean by "running right down"? (I am not a native speaker..) |
| 01:15.22 | Kryll | I uninstalled gnome |
| 01:15.48 | liable | dark: the entire height of the screen |
| 01:16.10 | dark | liable, from the top to the bottom, a line with one pixel width? |
| 01:16.12 | Kryll | what is th ename of the mixer for lxde |
| 01:16.32 | dark | liable, it's slow? |
| 01:16.44 | liable | dark: yes, and no, its not slow |
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| 01:17.08 | dark | liable, maybe you are with the wrong "refresh rate" |
| 01:18.06 | dark | liable, (it's a guess), or maybe another misconfiguration. or it is a hardware issue |
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| 01:20.44 | dark | Kryll, ok, do you mind saying me what is the output of groups command when you run with your regular user? |
| 01:21.05 | dark | Kryll, I think this isn't related, but it should contain the name 'audio' anyway |
| 01:21.33 | dark | Kryll, another issue might be a volume control at "0%" |
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| 01:21.46 | martianlobster | hald, periodically freaks out and eats up almost 100% of my system. Does anyone else have this problem? I just did /etc/init.d/hal stop, just to get rid of it. Do I even need hal? |
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| 01:22.05 | markinfo | dark, i think i found the problem - or at least a part of a problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543448 announced on 24 Aug 2009 and unti today not corrected. |
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| 01:22.29 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:23.13 | dark | hello, TrueDD |
| 01:23.22 | TrueDD | Hi dark |
| 01:23.27 | TrueDD | and good night |
| 01:23.33 | TrueDD | see ya |
| 01:24.04 | dark | ah :) good night (but it could be day here, one never know for sure..) |
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| 01:25.40 | dark | markinfo, now you know you need the package ia32-libs on a amd64 in order to run most 32bits package |
| 01:26.33 | dark | markinfo, but you can install any lib you want in /usr/local/lib32 or other directory and run your 32-bits software with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib32 command |
| 01:26.35 | swygue | I'm trying to PXE install a system, its pxe boots sets up networking and loads the preseed file. However, the installation fails complaining about none root filesystem. I switch to a console, and issued fdisk -l, and realize no disk are present. I'm tried the installation using a CD and the installation completes successful. I appears when PXE installing the driver for for HP 380 Raid controller is not being loaded. Any ideas how I can load the module, |
| 01:26.35 | swygue | if I'm right. Thanks! |
| 01:27.05 | markinfo | dark, i know that - i have them but there is some bug why is not posible to start newest skype 2.1 |
| 01:27.07 | dark | swerve, can you look dmesg? |
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| 01:27.50 | dark | swerve, dmesg should say about which disks he actually found, and give a hint where they could be found in /dev (also, dmesg you tell you about partitions, if any) |
| 01:28.12 | dark | markinfo, but, why could you start using the other kernel? |
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| 01:29.43 | swygue | dark: so no disk is present |
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| 01:30.20 | Kryll | can someone tell me how to acces lxpanel in lxde |
| 01:30.56 | markinfo | dark, i am able to start only skype 2.0 in vanilla kernel - not 2.1 In self compiled kernel segfaults both skype versions, |
| 01:34.01 | dark | markinfo, @.@ well, if you know how cross-compile a library, you can install a 32bits binary of it in a library and link against it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH.. |
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| 01:34.44 | dark | swygue, try dmesg | grep -i disk |
| 01:35.47 | alex_1 | hi all, is there any way to record passwords of failed ssh login attempts? |
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| 01:41.27 | swygue | dark: can't copy paste the result of that command because I'm KVM to the console: the message reads: RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 65536K size 1024 bksize. Are you familiar with netbooting? |
| 01:42.07 | nsadmin | alex_1: the thing is, the pass phrase is processed on the local end |
| 01:42.32 | dark | no... but you don't have a disk in your machine on purpose? or it's a fault of the boot proccess that didn't detected any disks? |
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| 01:43.05 | alex_1 | ok. I mean I would like to see actual password in log file... |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | alex_1: why? that's not good |
| 01:43.51 | nsadmin | alex_1 but if no ssh key is involved, you'd probably have to go into the server code to accomplish that... aside from which it |
| 01:43.52 | alex_1 | I know , just curious... |
| 01:44.09 | nsadmin | is normal that admins don't actually know (and can't find out) people |
| 01:44.15 | nsadmin | 's passwds |
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| 01:45.00 | Amarande | remember, if you have root, you can always become root and then su <user> |
| 01:45.04 | Amarande | you don't need their password to do that |
| 01:45.05 | alex_1 | it's a server , there are no actual user, only hacking attempts. |
| 01:45.05 | nsadmin | you'd pretty much have to be "just curious" about C |
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| 01:45.48 | alex_1 | so, there is no config, that I can change? |
| 01:45.56 | nsadmin | you could look into fail2ban, which is a whole different approach to the whole hack thing |
| 01:46.17 | alex_1 | ok. thanks. |
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| 01:46.51 | nsadmin | instead of you knowing any failed passwds, it ip filters failed connecting machines for like 10 mins |
| 01:47.06 | xrfang | is there any *command-line* or *curse* tool to manage LVM and software RAID after installation? |
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| 01:47.45 | nsadmin | I thought maybe that would interest you even tho you wanted to tryit a different way |
| 01:49.09 | Pseudocrat | I just completed a fresh install and my ethernet card isn't working. Would someone be willing to help me out? Not sure what you need, but let me know and I'll find it. |
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| 01:49.51 | nsadmin | Pseudocrat first, you should take a look at lspci -nn |
| 01:50.01 | nsadmin | find the one line that describes your cazrd |
| 01:50.04 | nsadmin | card |
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| 01:50.23 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 01:50.31 | nsadmin | then give us the thing that looks like [1234:5678] |
| 01:50.55 | edwin_quijada | sombedoy has config snmp to monitoring a debian server using solarwind |
| 01:51.30 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to monitor my debian server but solarwind cant see the server |
| 01:52.08 | nsadmin | first your server has to offer the snmp stuff |
| 01:52.26 | Pseudocrat | nsadmin: [10ec:8168] |
| 01:52.48 | nsadmin | , pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 01:52.51 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 01:53.08 | nsadmin | you might need firmware too |
| 01:53.55 | edwin_quijada | nsadmin: i install snmpd & snmp |
| 01:53.59 | edwin_quijada | in my server |
| 01:54.22 | nsadmin | but the name of the driver (as you can see) is r8169 |
| 01:55.02 | nsadmin | edwin_quijada can you snmpwalk your server? |
| 01:55.17 | agike | Downloading Mutt I end up with en empty inbox. Perms are 760. What am I missing ? |
| 01:55.52 | nsadmin | perms on what? |
| 01:56.19 | nsadmin | (btw other helpers: my time is limited atm... pls jump in anytime) |
| 01:56.23 | agike | nsadmin: mail, inbox, cur, tmp, etc. |
| 01:56.41 | nsadmin | are those dirs? |
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| 01:56.46 | agike | yep |
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| 01:56.54 | agike | Maildir. |
| 01:56.56 | nsadmin | what group are they in? |
| 01:57.18 | OldParr | is there any debian repository that contains joomla? |
| 01:57.36 | agike | nsadmin: agike:agike |
| 01:57.52 | adb | OldParr, apt-file search joomla |
| 01:58.18 | agike | nsadmin: I'm more familiar with numerical convention |
| 01:58.23 | nsadmin | as -you- it's rwx, as the group it's rw (interesting) |
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| 01:59.16 | agike | nsadmin: drwxrwx .. 770 at the mo' |
| 01:59.43 | nsadmin | is there stuff in your maildir? maybe mutt is using the old /var/mail/youfile |
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| 02:00.09 | markinfo | dark, i have added the missing 32bit libraries to my system - as in bugreport described and also skype 2.1 runs on vanila kernel. Now to test self comiled kernel. |
| 02:00.22 | edwin_quijada | nsadmin: yes |
| 02:00.33 | dark | markinfo, ^^ |
| 02:00.54 | agike | nsadmin: /var/mail/agike is empty. |
| 02:01.00 | edwin_quijada | nsadmin: I can do snmpwalk and it works |
| 02:01.15 | Faithful | is it fair go to add another entry in modules.usbmap by hand or will I break the file? |
| 02:01.25 | agike | nsadmin: so are /mail/inbox/cur or new or tmp .. |
| 02:01.35 | nsadmin | edwin_quijada: from localhost and from the machine running the solarwind? |
| 02:02.08 | xrfang | I added a new network card in virtualbox, and ifconfig eth1 up only bring up the card but did not assign it an IP, how can I "notify" the dhcp (which is built-in for virtualbox) to assign an IP? |
| 02:02.40 | OldParr | is there any debian configurable repository that contains joomla? |
| 02:02.46 | markinfo | dark, there are already 4 important bugs - all about the same - pointing on this two missing libraries - and no action from maintainers. ...from august 2009 |
| 02:03.02 | edwin_quijada | nsadmin: from another machine |
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| 02:03.20 | dodecahedron | OpenBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 4.6 ejeet2#5 i386 |
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| 02:03.33 | edwin_quijada | nsadmin: sorry just from localhost runninf snmpwalk |
| 02:03.46 | dodecahedron | debian is for dumb communist hippie bitches and Linux is for dumb bitches in general |
| 02:03.46 | edwin_quijada | the machine with solarwind is windows |
| 02:03.55 | nsadmin | oh, hmm |
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| 02:06.52 | agike | dodecahedron: Your line of abuse is not amusing. |
| 02:06.55 | dmi3on | hi all, is there chance to creat shared folder in debian ? |
| 02:06.59 | nsadmin | he's gone |
| 02:07.11 | jamon | agike: how are you starting mutt? are you using a .muttrc? |
| 02:07.50 | nsadmin | jamon: thanks for jumpin in |
| 02:07.51 | abrotman | dmi3on: shared in what way? like /tmp/ ? |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | !tell dmi3on about permissions |
| 02:08.17 | dmi3on | abrotman, i need to setup shared folder between gpt users |
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| 02:08.44 | dmi3on | rightnow i have 3 users and each can access it own folder |
| 02:08.48 | agike | jamon: 1. from terminal (gnome) 2. yep, a .muttrc which has worked in many installs. |
| 02:08.50 | jamon | nsadmin: i don't know much about it really, just that i have 700 perms, a procmailrc and start with mutt -f Maildir :) |
| 02:08.55 | OldParr | how do i install PHP 4.2 or above? |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | OldParr: php5 is available |
| 02:09.33 | dmi3on | i need to setup shared folder fo user can share file |
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| 02:09.58 | OldParr | abrotman: how do i install it? |
| 02:10.20 | agike | Thanks guys, I'll keep bashing away .. it is usually a trivial oversight. |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | OldParr: for use wiht apache? |
| 02:10.23 | nsadmin | jamon: and that's cause your maildir is called ~you/Maildir? |
| 02:10.41 | OldParr | abrotman: for use with jooml |
| 02:10.47 | abrotman | OldParr: that doesn't answer my question |
| 02:10.50 | nsadmin | agike: try that :) |
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| 02:11.08 | abrotman | OldParr: normally with apache it's libapache2-mod-php5 .. there is also php5-cgi and php5-cli |
| 02:11.28 | jamon | nsadmin: yeah, it's a 2 line procmailrc, MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ and DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/ |
| 02:11.41 | OldParr | abrotman: i need PHP 5 to instll joomla |
| 02:11.51 | nsadmin | oh, so that procmail delivers to it |
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| 02:12.21 | abrotman | OldParr: i don't use joomla .. that means nothing to me |
| 02:12.30 | jamon | yep, then mutt -f reads the maildir instead of the mbox spool |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | OldParr: i told you the three packages that should do it .. |
| 02:12.36 | nsadmin | which implies that either procmail is your MDA or you also have a .forward |
| 02:12.59 | agike | Hmm .. better check .procmailrc |
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| 02:13.35 | jamon | it is mda after postfix finishes with gld etc. |
| 02:16.24 | OldParr | can i install php5-cgi and php5-cli or it will led to a conflict |
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| 02:16.36 | abrotman | try it and see .. |
| 02:16.45 | jamon | agike: mutt -D will also show all your settings, so you can see if something is being overridden that you aren't expecting |
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| 02:17.29 | agike | jamon: MAILDIR=$HOME/mail |
| 02:18.12 | jamon | agike, and you just run "mutt"? it usually looks at $HOME/Mail not mail unless you specify with -f |
| 02:18.14 | agike | jamon: I had it 'MAILDIR=$HOME/MuttMail' .. I'll see if it works. |
| 02:18.57 | agike | jamon: I use the lower case 'mail' |
| 02:19.02 | jamon | ah |
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| 02:20.12 | bluehaze | what is the command to stop and start networking in debian? /etc/init.d/networking stop? |
| 02:20.39 | bluehaze | i just change the ip configuration and just need to restart the nic |
| 02:20.47 | Pseudocrat | nsadmin: I installed the driver r8169, but it's still nonfunctional. What were you mentioning about firmware? |
| 02:20.49 | bluehaze | dont want to reboot the computer. |
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| 02:22.09 | agike | jamon: thanks, "mutt -D" is nice. What was the other one .. mutt -f .. ? |
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| 02:22.34 | jamon | agike: -f tells mutt where to look for an mbox/maildir |
| 02:22.53 | agike | jamon: Ah so ! |
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| 02:23.32 | oh_noes | like rc.local that runs at startup |
| 02:23.55 | oh_noes | is there a file that runs at shutdown? or should I just throw in a script into /etc/rc.d3/K somewhere |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | why rc3.d ? |
| 02:24.15 | Darkseid | anyone here have a deep knowledge of likewise open? |
| 02:24.30 | oh_noes | abrotman: doesnt matter, but essentially i just need a file delete on every shutdown |
| 02:24.42 | markinfo | dark, i have it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568896 |
| 02:24.46 | oh_noes | my choice is to either echo $MY_COMM >> in to that file |
| 02:24.56 | markinfo | all debian bugs. |
| 02:24.57 | oh_noes | or create a new killscript that runs somewhere in rc3.d or rc2.d world |
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| 02:25.32 | agike | jamon: after "mutt -f /home/agike/mail" I get "/home/agike/mail is not a mailbox" |
| 02:26.12 | jamon | agike: so likely you need to run maildirmake to make it one |
| 02:26.32 | jamon | agike: or use mutt -f ~/MuttMail to point it at your existing one? |
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| 02:27.02 | jamon | or i'm unclear as to whether you're still using /var/mail/agike but wanting mail saved in ~/mail |
| 02:27.06 | agike | jamon: Hmm .. I did that for cur, new. tmp .. I'll try it. |
| 02:27.47 | OldParr | they say at joomla that it's just PHP5 not cgi or cli |
| 02:27.59 | jamon | agike: maildirmake creates all those for you, so you've essentially created 3 new maildirs, each containing cur new and tmp |
| 02:28.26 | jamon | agike: e.g. ~/mail/cur/cur ~/mail/cur/new/ ~/mail/new/cur etc. |
| 02:28.46 | Backup | http://www.google.com/tisp/ tell me this is a joke |
| 02:29.47 | agike | jamon: .. but now I get " Permission denied (errno = 13) |
| 02:29.47 | agike | " |
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| 02:30.15 | dark | markinfo, are you still experiencing issues? |
| 02:30.32 | dark | markinfo, try to stick with the vanilla kernel.. or do you need that custom kernel? |
| 02:30.36 | agike | 760 |
| 02:31.20 | jamon | agike: damn, back where we started huh? |
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| 02:31.35 | markinfo | dark, i need custim kernel due to my radeon and KMS. I will wait until kernel source packages will be repaired, |
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| 02:32.21 | agike | jamon: not quite, I think I have fixed crockmail, I mean procmail, and am now playing with perms. |
| 02:32.28 | jamon | cool |
| 02:32.50 | Backup | any one goten the c-media usb soundcard working in lenny? |
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| 02:37.11 | linuxjones317 | does anyone know how well debian works on a powerbook g4? |
| 02:37.23 | streuner_ | ppc? |
| 02:37.28 | linuxjones317 | yeah |
| 02:37.29 | dark | markinfo, maybe it's related to kms somehow? (i am guessing) |
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| 02:37.46 | streuner_ | well, there was a channel for, not many people there |
| 02:38.05 | linuxjones317 | was the channel name just ppc? |
| 02:38.28 | streuner_ | rather #debian-ppc |
| 02:38.51 | streuner_ | uh |
| 02:38.56 | streuner_ | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 02:38.56 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.00 | adb | !tell linuxjones317 about ppc |
| 02:39.05 | streuner_ | !ppc |
| 02:39.06 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:39.26 | streuner_ | linuxjones317: they moved to irc.debian.org |
| 02:40.04 | linuxjones317 | same channel name i assume? |
| 02:40.12 | streuner_ | sure |
| 02:40.33 | streuner_ | uh, its empty |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 02:41.00 | streuner_ | i dont get anything |
| 02:41.10 | linuxjones317 | haha no body wants it on a mac any more thn i do |
| 02:41.14 | OldParr | what package should i install in debian to have mysql 5 ? |
| 02:41.16 | streuner_ | via /list #debian-ppc on OFTC |
| 02:41.39 | adb | streuner_, #debianppc |
| 02:41.49 | streuner_ | linuxjones317: ^^^^ |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | !tell OldParr about search |
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| 02:43.13 | markinfo | dark, problem is in linux kernel source: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568896 |
| 02:47.39 | linuxjones317 | thank you sirs |
| 02:50.40 | Mish- | So I've compiled a mew kernel using make-kpkg and now get this error on boot: http://mish.deezign.co.nz/images/new-kernel-boot-error.png |
| 02:50.59 | dmi3on | i need some help with folder systems, ftp folders: /.../suser/user1, /.../suser/user2, /.../suser/user3, /.../suser/Shared, user1 now can access user1 folder same for user2,3, suser can access all folder that located in suser |
| 02:51.13 | dmi3on | i am not sure how to add to each user1-3 folder /.../suser/Shared |
| 02:51.36 | OldParr | which one of these is "mysql 5" -----> http://paste.debian.net/59481/ |
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| 02:53.00 | dark | markinfo, if it's working with the debian's kernel, debian kernel developers might have patched it for this issue |
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| 02:58.43 | rainy-day | when I type ps aux, one of the processes is listed as /USR/SBIN/CRON in caps! but that path doesn't exist of course. all the other processes are in lower case |
| 02:59.14 | dark | rainy-day, names reported by ps aren't actually path to executables |
| 02:59.38 | dark | rainy-day, the caller program can select that string, and will "fake" ps. so ps isn't too reliable.. |
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| 03:00.08 | rainy-day | what's more precise than ps, top? |
| 03:00.08 | kdasdasf | Dark how? |
| 03:00.34 | dark | http://www.manpagez.com/man/2/execve/ , I think ps just report argv[0] |
| 03:01.00 | kdasdasf | Cool |
| 03:01.03 | dark | see that execve will differ from path (the actual path to the file) and argv[0] (the name that will passed to the program) |
| 03:01.14 | dark | hmm no |
| 03:01.19 | dark | path is the $PATH |
| 03:01.34 | dark | ko I am confused now, I will read the man page :P |
| 03:02.10 | Amarande | the default lenny cron package no longer uses the capitalized /USR/SBIN/CRON either |
| 03:02.22 | Amarande | IIRC, that was specific to one particular implementation of cron, and I can't remember which |
| 03:04.09 | rainy-day | it's debian 3.1 system there.. very old |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:04.29 | Amarande | you're still using sarge? |
| 03:04.53 | rainy-day | not me it was installed by someone else I was just hacking some python on it |
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| 03:06.30 | agSilver | hi. is it possible to do change passwd without know the users password? say if u were su |
| 03:06.39 | oh_noes | is it possible to rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules on every boot? I want 'any new nic' to always be eth0 |
| 03:06.49 | oh_noes | specially in a virtual environment where the MAC changes a lot |
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| 03:07.39 | Amarande | agSilver: yes, you can change any user's password as root |
| 03:07.43 | Amarande | man passwd |
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| 03:08.47 | dark | rainy-day, kdasdasf, http://www.math.utoledo.edu/~dbastos/psfool.txt , http://www.math.utoledo.edu/~dbastos/files/psfool-0.1.tar.gz |
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| 03:09.33 | kdasdasf | As a program run as not root i cant setuid but run as root i can always setuid back to root |
| 03:09.47 | kdasdasf | What did i miss? |
| 03:10.07 | dark | i don't understand you |
| 03:10.26 | rainy-day | dark, thanks |
| 03:10.27 | dark | setuid is a flag that can be set in a file, i think |
| 03:10.55 | agSilver | Amarande so would it be this "passwd don newpassword" |
| 03:10.58 | kdasdasf | I mean there's no point in setuiding for security reasons is there? |
| 03:11.10 | Amarande | passwd (username) |
| 03:11.14 | agSilver | i just dont want to get it wrong. i am filling in for an admin at my company |
| 03:11.15 | Amarande | and then it will ask for a password |
| 03:11.22 | dark | you can't modify the program, even if it's setuid and you can execute it |
| 03:11.26 | Amarande | never put the new password on a command line, that would have severe negative security consequences |
| 03:11.33 | agSilver | o ok thank you so much amarande |
| 03:11.39 | dark | you can only hope that the program will do something wrong |
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| 03:29.35 | ubantu_dude | Ok I am going to be quick here |
| 03:29.52 | ubantu_dude | I am on a trolling rampage and honestly I dont really have time to troll all channels these days |
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| 03:30.00 | ubantu_dude | so please everyone consider yourself trolled |
| 03:30.12 | ubantu_dude | and please someone ban me so I can move on before I start scrolling horse dick |
| 03:30.27 | seatstaken | lol |
| 03:30.33 | Amarande | ubantu: I'm afraid you're going to have to retake trolling 101 |
| 03:30.37 | Amarande | you failed |
| 03:30.42 | seatstaken | you are a vital member of the internet troll |
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| 03:31.08 | seatstaken | without the troll there can be no lulz |
| 03:31.08 | Faithful | where do the deb postinstall scripts live... I've got a package that is stuck can't install can't uninstall because a postinstall script is failing |
| 03:31.10 | ubantu_dude | Amarande I wasnt aware you were handing out report cards |
| 03:31.23 | ubantu_dude | so let me put on a fucking top hat and tap dance for you |
| 03:31.30 | adb | !ops ubantu_dude troll |
| 03:31.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: ubantu_dude troll |
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| 03:31.43 | seatstaken | great success |
| 03:32.15 | Amarande | abrotman, we need to do something about today's net trolls |
| 03:32.20 | Amarande | they're getting ... boring :( |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | then use /ignore |
| 03:32.30 | Amarande | at least back in the day trolls were often original and amusing :| |
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| 03:33.16 | WaterRatjj | defia no ext4? |
| 03:33.19 | WaterRatjj | *debian |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | WaterRatjj: the kernel in lenny doesn't have it .. if you want it /msg dpkg kmuto or use squeeze |
| 03:33.53 | WaterRatjj | k |
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| 04:05.22 | StuckMojo | anyone know what the package name is for the overall gnome desktop? |
| 04:06.42 | dark | StuckMojo, here it is gnome: aptitude show gnome |
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| 04:07.02 | StuckMojo | ah |
| 04:07.06 | StuckMojo | used to be called gnome-desktop |
| 04:07.07 | StuckMojo | thanks |
| 04:07.09 | dark | I don't know if it's something specific to testing (i am using it) or if it's valid to lenny too |
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| 04:07.43 | StuckMojo | i'm on Sid |
| 04:07.48 | dark | hmmm.. well in ubuntu it's gnome-desktop, or at least was when I used it.. sometimes I get confused, aptitude search ^gnome|less might help |
| 04:07.56 | dark | (I found this way) |
| 04:08.28 | StuckMojo | didn't occur to me it might be called just "gnome" now, but it makes sense |
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| 04:10.24 | Arrowmaster | 'gnome' gets you all the extra crap, just 'gnome-desktop-environment' gets you the basics |
| 04:10.31 | StuckMojo | ah |
| 04:10.36 | StuckMojo | 1 packages upgraded, 240 newly installed, 0 to remove and 121 not upgraded. |
| 04:10.41 | StuckMojo | yeah that seemed excessive |
| 04:10.48 | StuckMojo | considering i can already run gnome-session successuflly |
| 04:11.08 | Arrowmaster | although i still want to know why the hell im forced to have gnome-bluetooth because i have gnome-desktop-environment even though i dont have any bluetooth hardware |
| 04:11.28 | StuckMojo | i'd like to avoid getting evolution if possible |
| 04:11.49 | vbgunz | Hello! I have what I hope some of you may consider an interesting question. I have a list of about 700 packages. some of the packages are dependencies that will be installed *automatically* from another package in the list. I wish to get rid of only the packages from this list that will automatically be installed. is there a program for this request? |
| 04:11.53 | StuckMojo | 0 packages upgraded, 149 newly installed, 0 to remove and 122 not upgraded. |
| 04:11.56 | StuckMojo | that's a bit better |
| 04:12.17 | Amarande | I'm sorry StuckMojo, in Debian evolution is required |
| 04:12.19 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~$ apt-cache show creationism |
| 04:12.19 | Amarande | W: Unable to locate package creationism |
| 04:12.29 | Amarande | see? :) |
| 04:12.35 | Arrowmaster | thats a dependency of gnome-desktop-environment, you would have to install all the parts of gnome-desktop-environment you wanted seperately if you wanted to only get certain ones |
| 04:12.40 | StuckMojo | tiddy boom! |
| 04:12.41 | dark | StuckMojo, you could install the other packages, without evolution..... |
| 04:12.48 | StuckMojo | Amarande: how many shows a night do you do? |
| 04:12.49 | StuckMojo | ;) |
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| 04:13.20 | StuckMojo | i thought aptitude could do things like aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment evolution- |
| 04:13.31 | dark | StuckMojo, you could also do this: install gnome, and uninstall evolution without performing a 'autoremove'. you may need to mark the other packages as 'installed manually' (but not the packages that depends on evolution) |
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| 04:13.45 | dark | hmmmm |
| 04:13.51 | StuckMojo | meh. can't do it |
| 04:13.58 | Amarande | and besides, you can easily set your default mail reader to icedove anyway without needing to uninstall evolution |
| 04:14.09 | StuckMojo | it does try to not install it as requested, but it says it depends on it, so... |
| 04:14.22 | StuckMojo | Amarande: yeah i just *hate* evolution |
| 04:14.27 | StuckMojo | with a passion |
| 04:14.28 | Arrowmaster | StuckMojo: you could try using equivs but i dont know if anything else requires evolution, if it does it might break |
| 04:14.30 | dark | me too |
| 04:14.55 | dark | *I* don't have evolution here ^^ |
| 04:15.03 | StuckMojo | maybe i can install it all, then uninstall evolution, which will just force uninstallation of the gnome-desktop-environment virtual package |
| 04:15.07 | dark | but i am using xfce |
| 04:15.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah im about to install either xfce or lxde, gnome is pissing me off |
| 04:15.50 | dark | StuckMojo, but the other packages was installed "automatically". so if you don't take care, they will be marked as "not necessary anymore" |
| 04:16.01 | dark | and may be removed if you perform a autoremove |
| 04:16.13 | vbgunz | anybody know of a program that can filter a long list of packages into packages that will automatically pull in the others? |
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| 04:16.31 | StuckMojo | dark: yeah i was thinking that |
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| 04:16.37 | StuckMojo | well we'll see |
| 04:16.46 | StuckMojo | i don't even use gnome anyway, my GF does |
| 04:16.49 | StuckMojo | i run openbox |
| 04:16.59 | dark | so... |
| 04:17.00 | StuckMojo | just give me enough to decorate windows so i can move them around |
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| 04:17.06 | dark | you can keep evolution installed, but hidden |
| 04:17.15 | StuckMojo | and a menu that lauches a terminal. done. |
| 04:17.21 | dark | StuckMojo, :) |
| 04:17.32 | Arrowmaster | ive gotten addicted to compositing (not compiz though) |
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| 04:18.07 | StuckMojo | yeah that's one small bummer. compviz won't work with openbox, or at least i've not figured out how |
| 04:18.27 | StuckMojo | i don't care too much about all that eye candy crap anyway, so i didn't fiddle too much |
| 04:18.44 | Arrowmaster | i just like my real transparent backgrounds |
| 04:19.25 | StuckMojo | i think they're neat, but they tend to be distracting |
| 04:19.33 | StuckMojo | maybe because i'm just not used to them |
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| 04:19.57 | dark | some effects are actually useful |
| 04:20.08 | dark | but now I like things to be light |
| 04:20.20 | dark | ... so that firefox have more to eat :( |
| 04:20.58 | dark | (I am looking for chromium build for debian btw, if anyone knows..) |
| 04:21.15 | StuckMojo | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screenshots |
| 04:21.24 | StuckMojo | hmph, that gnome3 shell thing looks kinda cool |
| 04:21.50 | Arrowmaster | the video i saw of it made me want to run like hell |
| 04:21.59 | Arrowmaster | it looked so stupid and useless |
| 04:22.49 | WaterRatjj | what video? |
| 04:23.02 | Arrowmaster | some video on youtube a while back |
| 04:23.33 | StuckMojo | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screencasts |
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| 04:23.44 | Arrowmaster | i think it was a mockup and not really functional |
| 04:24.11 | vbgunz | I have a huge list of applications ready for apt-get. I need to remove the apps that will be automatically installed through other apps. how do I filter this long list to do that? |
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| 04:24.20 | StuckMojo | 3rd video looks cool |
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| 04:25.05 | StuckMojo | i like the fact that they're doing something different |
| 04:25.13 | StuckMojo | rather than following along with windows |
| 04:25.16 | StuckMojo | or mac |
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| 04:27.18 | dbbolton | which man page explains the status abbreviations in the output of aptitude search? i can't find it in the aptitude man page |
| 04:27.20 | agike | jamon: /var/log/exim4/mainlog gives me heaps of "Message is frozen" msgs |
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| 04:28.05 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah now i know what i didnt like about gnome shell thingy, resizing and repositioning of other application windows, i put stuff where i want it and dont want anything moving it |
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| 04:28.29 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: they're the same as dpkg -l outputs IIRC |
| 04:28.43 | dbbolton | StuckMojo so where are those |
| 04:28.59 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: patience... |
| 04:29.43 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: it tells you at the top |
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| 04:30.02 | StuckMojo | dpkg -l binutils |
| 04:30.02 | dpkg | ii binutils 2.1-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:30.30 | StuckMojo | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
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| 04:30.55 | StuckMojo | that's for the second letter |
| 04:30.58 | StuckMojo | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 04:31.00 | StuckMojo | that's for the first |
| 04:31.08 | dark | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 04:31.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching dpkg |
| 04:31.14 | dbbolton | lol |
| 04:31.30 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: in your own terminal do dpkg -l binutils |
| 04:31.38 | StuckMojo | or any other package you know for sure you have |
| 04:32.01 | chronossc | How I can get a list of packages versions in debian lenny ? |
| 04:32.35 | StuckMojo | chronossc: of all 25,000 of them? |
| 04:32.38 | dbbolton | StuckMojo then they arent the same as aptitude search |
| 04:32.43 | StuckMojo | or of a specific package? |
| 04:32.53 | dbbolton | sometimes the first letter is v |
| 04:33.19 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: that's probably for virtual |
| 04:33.25 | chronossc | StuckMojo, I want about python and mod wsgi, etc, etc |
| 04:33.36 | chronossc | stuff related to django deploy |
| 04:33.44 | StuckMojo | chronossc: packages.debian.org |
| 04:33.54 | StuckMojo | you can search there |
| 04:33.54 | chronossc | thank you |
| 04:34.17 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: notice the ones that are 'v' don't have any description either |
| 04:34.57 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: uhh... |
| 04:35.12 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: man aptitude, search for "search" with /search |
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| 04:35.39 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: it gives the list right there |
| 04:35.41 | vbgunz | I just went from 700 to 664 packages. I need to remove the apps in this list that will automatically be installed by apps in this list. are there any tools to help with this? |
| 04:36.03 | StuckMojo | dbbolton: right around line 234 |
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| 04:39.03 | lazellama | hey all. wanted to backup my sata hd to another that is identical. have pci to sata card that the drives are hooked up to. used hardware raid and mirrored them. now i get volume not found. Any ideas? i'm using debian |
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| 04:42.08 | StuckMojo | hardware raid? |
| 04:42.14 | StuckMojo | that's likely the issue. |
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| 04:43.09 | StuckMojo | if they are truely identical, you can probably just use dd if=/dev/sd_olddrive of=/dev/sd_newdrive |
| 04:43.31 | StuckMojo | careful with that though. you go the wrong direction and you're screwed |
| 04:44.12 | lazellama | StuckMojo, how can i use dd now if they drive won't mount |
| 04:44.40 | lazellama | StuckMojo the*. What can i do to fix this. The whole point of me doing this was so if i ever had a problem i'd have the backup and now i have a problem |
| 04:44.42 | lazellama | lol |
| 04:45.00 | StuckMojo | dd operates directly on the device files |
| 04:45.04 | lazellama | StuckMojo, they are truly identical |
| 04:45.05 | StuckMojo | you don't format it or mount it or anything |
| 04:45.09 | StuckMojo | you don't even partition it |
| 04:45.16 | StuckMojo | it makes a block level copy of the entire drive |
| 04:45.30 | StuckMojo | if you don't know how to use it, forget i mentioned it |
| 04:45.40 | StuckMojo | you can easily shoot yourself in the foot |
| 04:45.41 | lazellama | well i've used it a lil with cloneilla. |
| 04:45.47 | lazellama | z* |
| 04:45.59 | lazellama | but i don't understand how thats gonna fix my problem. |
| 04:46.02 | StuckMojo | can you read the original drive still? |
| 04:46.05 | lazellama | i'm still not gonna boot. |
| 04:46.07 | lazellama | no |
| 04:46.09 | StuckMojo | i assumed you could |
| 04:46.10 | StuckMojo | oh |
| 04:46.14 | lazellama | was copying from original to othet identical |
| 04:46.33 | StuckMojo | was the original drive hooked up to this hardware raid before? |
| 04:46.44 | StuckMojo | they often use a proprietary format |
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| 04:46.59 | StuckMojo | it may have just wiped both drives |
| 04:47.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats most likely |
| 04:48.01 | lazellama | StuckMojo, no. Actually i'm glad you ask. I switch my original PCI to SATA card out for another one i bought that has more ports the other only has 1 sata port and i have two sata drives. I hooked the two drives up to the new card and did a mirror raid. then on reboot volume group not found came up. so i though it was cause the card was different and switched back and still nothing |
| 04:48.02 | Arrowmaster | i dont know of any raid controllers that let you use an existing drive with data on it |
| 04:48.13 | lazellama | StuckMojo does this information help. did i fuck up. |
| 04:48.15 | lazellama | ? |
| 04:48.20 | smartboyathome | I'm trying to compile a custom tremulous package and just checked out tremulous from the repos to try to build it. dpkg keeps complaining about every part of the package though, and I would think since it is in the official repos, though it is in contrib, it'd be correct for building. |
| 04:48.55 | lazellama | Arrowmaster, StuckMojo, it asked me to copy from source to target. so why would it wipe? |
| 04:49.30 | Arrowmaster | how long did you give it to work? |
| 04:49.41 | lazellama | plus if it wiped why do i still get bootloader?> |
| 04:49.48 | lazellama | about 3 hours. |
| 04:50.04 | lazellama | maybe a liittle longer. |
| 04:50.25 | lazellama | took a long time and the drives are 250GB with about 50GB of space used. |
| 04:50.38 | lazellama | maybe a little more. |
| 04:50.43 | lazellama | been awhile since i checked, |
| 04:50.57 | StuckMojo | what does it look like if you run fdisk on it? |
| 04:51.22 | Arrowmaster | hmm maybe its just something simple like its trying to boot from a specific drive /dev/sd? but the letter changed |
| 04:51.27 | lazellama | Havn't yet. Can i run it in single user? |
| 04:51.38 | lazellama | Arrowmaster yea thats what I was thinking? |
| 04:51.45 | lazellama | Arrowmaster how can i check that? |
| 04:52.09 | Arrowmaster | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 04:52.24 | lazellama | Arrowmaster can i run that command in single user mode? |
| 04:52.31 | Arrowmaster | i think |
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| 04:52.48 | Arrowmaster | are you using grub? |
| 04:52.49 | lazellama | Arrowmaster trying now |
| 04:52.53 | lazellama | yes |
| 04:53.05 | StuckMojo | i would try all this crap with the new copied drive, in case the old one is still good, heh |
| 04:53.13 | StuckMojo | you don't want to mess them both up |
| 04:53.22 | Arrowmaster | you can just edit the boot command in grub and it will show you what the line is |
| 04:53.39 | lazellama | StuckMojo, both drives seem to be affected. |
| 04:53.49 | lazellama | StuckMojo Rgr. that though. |
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| 04:56.40 | smartboyathome | is there any reason dpkg -b should be looking for DEBIAN instead of debian in the folder? |
| 04:57.26 | Amarande | smartboyathome, I believe there's at least one directory naming convention in debian package making where it must be DEBIAN in caps |
| 04:57.36 | Amarande | remember, directory names are case sensitive |
| 04:58.36 | lazellama | Arrowmaster, StuckMojo, cat /proc/cmdline gave this root=/dev/mapper/believe-root ro single |
| 04:59.26 | Rusty1 | lazellama: only a wild guess , lvm2 installed? |
| 04:59.54 | smartboyathome | Amarande: It is just that the packages I check out from the repos via apt-get source are always in capitals, and it seems that my copy of dpkg can't build split packages |
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| 05:00.09 | smartboyathome | *always in lowercase not capitals |
| 05:00.12 | Arrowmaster | what does mount show |
| 05:00.23 | Amarande | you probably haven't installed all the necessary packages |
| 05:00.33 | lazellama | Rusty1, dont remember, set this box up months ago. been ftping ever since |
| 05:00.59 | smartboyathome | Amarande: those would be? I tried searching via google for packaging info, found plenty of tutorials on the files themselves, but none said I needed to install anything |
| 05:01.01 | Amarande | did you install devscripts and build-essential? |
| 05:01.56 | smartboyathome | Amarande: devscripts was what I was missing. I already had build-essential from apt-get build-dep. i'll see if it works now, thanks. |
| 05:02.05 | lazellama | Arrowmaster, mount gives this rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) on the next line none on /sys type sysfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) |
| 05:02.30 | Arrowmaster | so the lvm isnt being found |
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| 05:03.28 | lazellama | next line none on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec) next line udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=10240,mode=755) |
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| 05:04.15 | lazellama | Arrowmaster, yeah i guess so. when i boot after grub i get volume group not found |
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| 05:07.16 | smartboyathome | Amarande: I installed devscripts and its still telling me it doesn't support split packages |
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| 05:09.57 | DNS777 | hey guys :-) |
| 05:10.28 | Costin | www.club404.ueuo.com/live.php the best radio the best music ;) |
| 05:10.53 | DNS777 | i have a problem here with anope irc services and sendmail on debian 5... http://pastebin.com/d23595387 |
| 05:11.00 | DNS777 | im a bit lost hm |
| 05:11.13 | DNS777 | (emails censored in the log) |
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| 05:12.15 | roland- | hey, need some help... |
| 05:12.18 | roland- | x won't start |
| 05:12.41 | roland- | Module fbcon not found. |
| 05:12.51 | roland- | cannot find anything about fbcon in xorg.conf |
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| 05:20.34 | bartmon | Hi! I'm having problems printing to my printer. CUPS is accepting jobs and i can see them queued with lpstat but the printer never gets the data. Can someone help? |
| 05:21.54 | bartmon | OK, nevermind. Restarting cupsd solved it. :) |
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| 05:38.48 | Qiang | hi, i am using debian etch and can't find libgif related package. i have the following in my sources.list deb http://mirrors2.kernel.org/debian etch main contrib non-free .also search the web and only found libgif related packages in lenny/testing/sid .. |
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| 05:39.16 | Amarande | Qiang, do you have specific needs that require you to stay with etch? |
| 05:40.01 | Qiang | Amarande: my hosting system doesn't support lenny yet. |
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| 05:40.09 | Amarande | If not, it would be best to upgrade to lenny ... your security update support for etch expires Monday |
| 05:40.17 | Amarande | ah. :( |
| 05:41.29 | Qiang | Amarande: where can i find out the security update expire announcement? this is a new host and doesn't cost much to cancel if it doesn't fit me. |
| 05:42.03 | Amarande | Qiang: it's at www.debian.org |
| 05:42.41 | Qiang | Amarande: ack.. got it. |
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| 05:58.19 | DNS777 | hm is any1 experienced with the sendmail config? |
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| 05:59.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell DNS777 about anyone |
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| 06:03.19 | DNS777 | hm sorry i tried to make the right question 50 mins ago... im a bit lost and do not know what i need to set to make this working... hadnt a problem with that be4, but im not experienced with emailserver and not so much with debian... http://pastebin.com/d23595387 |
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| 06:21.00 | almark1 | Hello I'm trying to install the net cd of Debian Lenny debian-504-i386-netinst.iso but when I get to the part where its installing the main system installl fails at the kernel and other packages I can't remember how can I fix this? |
| 06:21.50 | almark1 | it tells me something about does not have space to continue in the log on the tmp log which is gone now |
| 06:22.13 | almark1 | but I have more than 4 GB left on that drive |
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| 06:34.36 | peterrooney | Qiang: have you tried libgif4? |
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| 06:37.03 | Qiang | peterrooney: i don't see libgif4 under etch. |
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| 06:41.33 | peterrooney | if you MUST be using etch, consider backports.org |
| 06:42.42 | peterrooney | !backport caveat |
| 06:42.42 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered |
| 06:43.34 | peterrooney | but without additional information, lenny is the better solution. |
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| 06:47.20 | Cyphers | hello! |
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| 06:47.50 | Cyphers | i have an issue on debian, while i'm trying to get the virtual terminals by hitting Alt+Ctrl+Fx |
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| 06:48.02 | Cyphers | it gaves me: |
| 06:48.04 | Cyphers | debian:~# /etc/inittab |
| 06:48.04 | Cyphers | -su: /etc/inittab: Permission denied |
| 06:48.21 | Cyphers | it gaves me nothing* |
| 06:48.47 | greenmang0 | hello friends... i am getting an error in python script "ImportError: no module named qt"... which debian package should i install to get it working??? |
| 06:49.19 | Cyphers | greenmang0, try with: apt-get install qt |
| 06:49.21 | Cyphers | or do: |
| 06:49.28 | Cyphers | apt-cache search qt |
| 06:49.36 | Cyphers | and see what you got on the list |
| 06:49.46 | greenmang0 | Cyphers: it lists lot of packages |
| 06:50.22 | Cyphers | sec |
| 06:50.55 | Cyphers | you might have to get pyqt |
| 06:51.00 | Cyphers | apt-get install python-qt4 |
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| 06:51.21 | Cyphers | to get qt4 instead of qt3 |
| 06:51.35 | greenmang0 | Cyphers: it's already installed |
| 06:51.46 | greenmang0 | Cyphers: python-qt4 is installed |
| 06:52.06 | Cyphers | well |
| 06:52.14 | Cyphers | no module named qt..mm |
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| 06:52.31 | Cyphers | i'm not into python or scripting, but let's try to figure it out |
| 06:53.09 | greenmang0 | Cyphers: neither am I... just started learning all this stuff :) |
| 06:54.42 | Cyphers | try with this: |
| 06:54.44 | Cyphers | http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=44852 |
| 06:56.14 | Cyphers | http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t359721-pyqt-installation-configuration.html |
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| 06:59.25 | greenmang0 | Cyphers: thanks.. let me try |
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| 07:00.07 | Cyphers | yw |
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| 07:03.27 | greenmang0 | Cyphers: ok... got it.... "from PyQt4 import Qt" :) |
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| 07:05.28 | Cyphers | good to hear :) |
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| 07:06.42 | goose | I'm getting permission denied trying to cd to a directory I own; any idea why? |
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| 07:10.13 | nsadmin | goose: -permission- denied? |
| 07:10.13 | greenmang0 | goose: try "ls -ld <directory_name>" give us the output |
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| 07:10.43 | nsadmin | which will tell us the -permissions- on the dir, as well as the owner and the group |
| 07:10.52 | goose | drwxr-xr-x 7 goose goose 4096 2010-02-11 01:58 . |
| 07:11.21 | nsadmin | that's the dir you're already in |
| 07:11.40 | goose | as root, I did: chown -R goose /home/goose/config/*, to try and fix it, no avail ;/ |
| 07:11.45 | goose | ah, face desk |
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| 07:11.53 | nsadmin | do ls -ld on the dir you're trying to get into |
| 07:12.00 | nsadmin | config? |
| 07:12.15 | goose | drw-r--r-- 2 goose goose 4096 2010-02-11 01:54 samson |
| 07:12.27 | nsadmin | no x permissions |
| 07:12.42 | nsadmin | you'd need to +x at least that dir |
| 07:12.51 | goose | ah. face-desk. |
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| 07:13.23 | nsadmin | +x on a dir doesn't mean you can "execute" the dir but apparantly whether you can cd in there |
| 07:13.45 | goose | shiny, that fixed it |
| 07:13.48 | goose | thanks a lot nsadmin :) |
| 07:14.26 | nsadmin | btw, be -very- cautious with -R on chown and chmod |
| 07:14.50 | goose | how is it dangerous? :/ |
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| 07:15.46 | nsadmin | if you get the path wrong (which could be as simple as an extra space where it doesn't belong) you could be applying the change to your entire fs from / on up |
| 07:16.22 | goose | ah, yeah, I understand |
| 07:16.37 | nsadmin | that could hose your entire install |
| 07:16.48 | goose | don't worry, I only use it when moving entire directories from other users |
| 07:16.52 | nsadmin | just be careful as root |
| 07:17.00 | goose | only time I even do "/" on its own is tarring it for a backup |
| 07:17.47 | goose | anyways, thank you again nsadmin :) |
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| 07:20.40 | nsadmin | welcome |
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| 07:32.22 | ElllisD | Has anyone successfully installed Dell OpenManage? I get unmet deps re: openipmi <2.0.2 in lenny |
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| 07:42.02 | WaterRatj | does / need to be startable when configuring hdd? |
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| 07:45.49 | DasEi | WaterRatj: nope |
| 07:46.03 | WaterRatj | k |
| 07:46.08 | DasEi | WaterRatj: bootable, you mean ? |
| 07:46.37 | WaterRatj | already fixed, i letted the thing decide :p |
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| 07:50.27 | wols | WaterRatj: bootable flag is only important for windows and its MBR bootloader, all other bootmanagers ignore i |
| 07:50.30 | wols | it |
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| 07:58.13 | iwkse | hi, anyone know how to config the SD card to be recognized and mounted when it's not plugged on boot? |
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| 07:59.33 | WaterRatj | hmm |
| 07:59.38 | WaterRatj | was installing |
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| 07:59.44 | WaterRatj | now has black screeen where i can type? |
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| 07:59.53 | WaterRatj | what do I do? |
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| 08:00.07 | iwkse | WaterRatj: try alt+f1 |
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| 08:00.41 | WaterRatj | nope nothing |
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| 08:01.09 | iwkse | WaterRatj: did you use the graphical installer? |
| 08:01.13 | WaterRatj | no |
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| 08:01.24 | iwkse | WaterRatj: so alt+f1 should works |
| 08:01.31 | rares | is there a way to go back to the previous version of a package |
| 08:01.35 | WaterRatj | hsould |
| 08:01.36 | iwkse | try alt+f2 |
| 08:01.37 | WaterRatj | but deosn't |
| 08:01.44 | iwkse | huh |
| 08:01.50 | WaterRatj | please enter to activate this console when F2 |
| 08:01.58 | iwkse | ok |
| 08:02.00 | iwkse | you're in |
| 08:02.10 | WaterRatj | how do i restart debian |
| 08:02.16 | iwkse | reboot |
| 08:02.17 | WaterRatj | it din't even install grub |
| 08:02.24 | k\t | ok, i destroyed my font system and need serious help |
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| 08:03.42 | WaterRatj | when rebooted takes me back to install |
| 08:03.44 | k\t | or better yet, whats the best way to restore Xfonts... for instance xfontsel complains about my app-defaults file not being configure correctly... |
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| 08:04.06 | iwkse | WaterRatj: yes you need to do a proper installation |
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| 08:04.30 | WaterRatj | well why did i gave me black screen ? evefrything was going fine |
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| 08:05.00 | Dewi | WaterRatj: at what point did it go black? |
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| 08:05.30 | WaterRatj | well, i configured hdd's(partitions) then it was installing andat 100% went to black screen |
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| 08:05.58 | WaterRatj | retryting now with graphical interface |
| 08:06.51 | Dewi | WaterRatj: did you tell it you wanted a graphical system? |
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| 08:07.33 | Dewi | WaterRatj: like maybe it was trying to start X at the end of installation? Oh but you said you didn't even have grub. Hmm. |
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| 08:08.42 | iwkse | WaterRatj: black screen can be some issue with X |
| 08:09.07 | iwkse | WaterRatj: do you have an exotic graphic card? |
| 08:09.14 | WaterRatj | exotic? |
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| 08:10.05 | iwkse | WaterRatj: something not common that maybe it's not seen well in X and just need some parameters on boot |
| 08:10.28 | WaterRatj | My graphics card is a Ati radeon 9600 |
| 08:10.36 | iwkse | WaterRatj: should be ok i think |
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| 08:12.24 | WaterRatj | ok new problem |
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| 08:12.42 | WaterRatj | so i retried install but using grapichal mde |
| 08:12.57 | WaterRatj | noon partitioning the hdd it's blank |
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| 08:13.12 | iwkse | WaterRatj: which version of debian are you trying to install |
| 08:13.16 | WaterRatj | latest |
| 08:13.36 | iwkse | WaterRatj: what it means latest, debian has different branches |
| 08:14.05 | WaterRatj | 5.0.4 |
| 08:14.13 | iwkse | WaterRatj: ok |
| 08:14.28 | iwkse | WaterRatj: do you have a raid system? |
| 08:14.32 | WaterRatj | now i'm stuck at this screeen |
| 08:14.32 | WaterRatj | no |
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| 08:15.58 | iwkse | WaterRatj: i suggest you to retry the non-graphical way since it's more stable. than you can try to boot the installation adding noacpi |
| 08:16.04 | iwkse | it may helps |
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| 08:16.43 | WaterRatj | okay so i'm at beginningscreen when loaded from cd |
| 08:16.47 | WaterRatj | so now i choose, install |
| 08:16.58 | WaterRatj | ? |
| 08:17.26 | xyan | there should be a menu entry like advanced installation |
| 08:17.34 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 08:17.36 | iwkse | yes something like that |
| 08:17.37 | WaterRatj | I choose that? |
| 08:17.41 | iwkse | yes |
| 08:17.45 | WaterRatj | then what |
| 08:18.18 | WaterRatj | Expert,REscue,Automated,Graph expert, graph resue, graph auto |
| 08:18.33 | xyan | expert ;-) |
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| 08:19.17 | WaterRatj | Okay next try |
| 08:19.46 | rainy-day | how can I make a automatic 'permanent' alias, e.g. palias la='ls -a' # writes this alias to .bashrc ? |
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| 08:20.09 | xyan | rainy-day: yep .bashrc |
| 08:20.12 | iwkse | rainy-day: yes, for your user, if you want it system-wide you put it in /etc/profile |
| 08:20.36 | rainy-day | xyan: no, I mean, how can I do this from command line while creating the active alias at the same time? |
| 08:21.07 | rainy-day | I think it needs to be a short zsh function? |
| 08:21.17 | xyan | theres no way. you can set your aliases and when done "alias >> ~/.bashrc" |
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| 08:21.35 | rainy-day | humm |
| 08:21.36 | xyan | rainy-day: .bashrc is useless for zsh |
| 08:21.45 | rainy-day | xyan: yeah I know I meant .zshrc :) |
| 08:21.54 | kapubaten | I'm a new in debian. how to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
| 08:21.55 | nkuttler | rainy-day: of course you could write a function that does the alias and appends it to your rc |
| 08:22.04 | WaterRatj | should i load installed components? |
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| 08:22.23 | WaterRatj | *installer |
| 08:22.26 | xyan | WaterRatj: only if you need something special, like remote ssh install or whatever is listed there |
| 08:22.30 | rainy-day | nkuttler: yeah, I suck at bash/zsh scripting.. wondering if anyone has a function like that or can write in a few seconds or give me an idea of what to do? |
| 08:22.39 | iwkse | rainy-day: you can do that with a bash script |
| 08:22.40 | WaterRatj | but i can do all this later when installed to? |
| 08:23.02 | nkuttler | rainy-day: try #zsh |
| 08:23.09 | rainy-day | nkuttler: ok thanks |
| 08:23.15 | xyan | WaterRatj: installer components… no need for installer components when installed, huh? |
| 08:23.21 | nkuttler | i think it's a bad idea anyway |
| 08:24.35 | WaterRatj | here we have it again :( |
| 08:24.44 | xyan | kapubaten: are you sure want to switch to testing and most likely end up with things broken? |
| 08:24.54 | xyan | WaterRatj: so what the hdd isnt detected? |
| 08:24.55 | WaterRatj | when partioning hdd, just blue screen with a line I can type |
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| 08:25.40 | xyan | WaterRatj: ctrl-alt-f4, theres a console see if you spot any error messages |
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| 08:25.52 | kindlychung | hello, everyone. |
| 08:26.01 | kindlychung | Can I ask a question about vim? |
| 08:26.08 | xyan | !ask |
| 08:26.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:26.29 | kindlychung | i want separate a paragraph into multiple lines wherever the word "Pubmed" occurs. What is the command for this job in vim? |
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| 08:26.49 | xyan | :%s/Pubmed/Pubmed\r/g |
| 08:27.21 | xyan | use ../gc <- to get asked for changes |
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| 08:28.32 | kindlychung | thank you, i'll try it now |
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| 08:32.28 | WaterRatj | okay when i got the blue screen i did ctrl alt F4 |
| 08:33.40 | xyan | WaterRatj: does the installer respond, did you end up on a console? any error messages there? |
| 08:34.08 | WaterRatj | went blu again, went to CTR+ALT+F4 now i see like cdrow_decde status errors? hmmm |
| 08:34.59 | xyan | WaterRatj: cdrow_decde status errors? |
| 08:35.18 | WaterRatj | yeah |
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| 08:35.41 | xyan | WaterRatj: are you using nvida fakeraid? |
| 08:35.45 | WaterRatj | cdrom_decode_status: status=°x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 08:35.50 | xyan | cdrom |
| 08:35.51 | WaterRatj | no |
| 08:35.57 | xyan | great |
| 08:36.09 | xyan | well looks like the media is physically trashed |
| 08:36.28 | WaterRatj | hmm another way to install debian? |
| 08:36.29 | xyan | i suggest you grab the md5sums for the installer and verify the cd |
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| 08:36.56 | xyan | WaterRatj: debian based livecd and debootstrap (the tough way), or from usb media |
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| 08:37.54 | WaterRatj | hmm damn why does this have to happen, stupid cdrom |
| 08:37.55 | WaterRatj | lol |
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| 08:39.33 | xyan | well as a rule of thumb use md5/sha1 sums to verify burned discs. saves a lot of time :) |
| 08:40.41 | nsadmin | how do I tell which flash I got on my lenny? |
| 08:40.44 | WaterRatj | cd is prolly fine |
| 08:40.52 | WaterRatj | prolly my old cdrow drive :p |
| 08:42.16 | WaterRatj | that debootstrap way, do you need debian livecd or does another work to? |
| 08:42.26 | sep | is there a way i can let the webserver send alerts and stuff with email but disallowing php/cgi/scripts to send mail (via local mail functions?) |
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| 08:42.39 | xyan | WaterRatj: basically debootstrap is just a bunch of shell scripts so another one should be fine |
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| 08:42.54 | xyan | nsadmin: visit http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ ? |
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| 08:45.24 | nsadmin | so I have a problem with the flash player now installed... it sometimes freezes, and for example on youtube the movie might play but the audio bunches up in the middle at which point it plays everything really fast and then goes back silent |
| 08:46.26 | xyan | nsadmin: do you have any other programms which would block the sound output? |
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| 08:48.47 | xyan | nsadmin: oh this one was the right page that prints the installed version http://www.adobe.com/mena/products/flash/about/ |
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| 08:50.41 | Arafangion | Why doesn't my CD drive eject if I press the button? |
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| 08:51.26 | Arafangion | (Yes, I know I haven't said any more information that could permit a solution - how should I -get- this information? dmesg does not show anything interesting) |
| 08:51.28 | buntfalke | Arafangion: it's mounted |
| 08:51.36 | Arafangion | buntfalke: It's not, and "eject" works. |
| 08:51.44 | buntfalke | its broken :-) |
| 08:51.56 | mnuhmnuh | Arafangion: df -h ; mount |
| 08:51.59 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Possible, but unlikely. |
| 08:51.59 | buntfalke | or the drivelock is set (same effect as if it was mounted) |
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| 08:52.31 | Arafangion | Hmm, it's _plausible_ that it was mounted, if eject does the umount itself. |
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| 08:52.50 | buntfalke | eject doesnt umount |
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| 08:52.59 | Arafangion | The only pattern is that it seems to only do this if I use totem. (I don't use the drive for anything else, and I certainly don't mount it manually) |
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| 08:53.26 | mnuhmnuh | Arafangion: do you have Gnome/Nautilus running around there? |
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| 08:53.44 | Arafangion | mnuhmnuh: Just fluxbox. |
| 08:54.02 | mnuhmnuh | Arafangion: wise! |
| 08:54.27 | Arafangion | mnuhmnuh: It's one of the few that doesn't actually _annoy_ me, even if i don't like it. |
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| 08:54.47 | buntfalke | Try "eject -i 0" to disable the drive lock. if this fixes it, totem sets the lock, but doesnt unset it. |
| 08:55.03 | Arafangion | Let me give that a go. |
| 08:55.06 | buntfalke | (or any subroutine invoked by totem) |
| 08:55.39 | Arafangion | Totem seems to have many bugs, so it wouldn't surprise me, but will just take a moment... |
| 08:55.52 | mnuhmnuh | Arafangion: WHAT is not to like about fluxbox?!? :-O |
| 08:56.08 | buntfalke | mnuhmnuh: the missing kde menu ;-) |
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| 08:56.16 | buntfalke | let's not flame, hmm? |
| 08:56.18 | Arafangion | mnuhmnuh: The default configuration on Debian is irritating, I need to change it - additionally, by default, it's tricky to find out how to disable window decorations. |
| 08:56.32 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Oh, you can run that if you want - but why would you? |
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| 08:57.34 | buntfalke | well - i run it because it "just works" and i do not believe it's eating up too much ram for current systems. after all, the kdelibs are shared, and most of the programs it run use them |
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| 08:58.27 | buntfalke | i dont need to fiddle with the terminal for just about everything, and digg through config files and folders, it's more comfortable, and i can concentrate on what actually matters: using the desktop to get my work done, not working with the desktop to make it usable to begin with |
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| 08:58.36 | Arafangion | buntfalke: I found KDE 4 to be appallingly slow (It's probably pretty good if you have somewhat modern hardware, and a decent graphics card), as for KDE 3... |
| 08:59.06 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Me... I just right-click, and there's my menu, I start a program, usually xterm, and I alt-click-move it where I want, then alt-click-resize it how I want it, done. |
| 08:59.13 | Arafangion | buntfalke: That's really all I do. |
| 08:59.16 | buntfalke | agreed - kde4 is a step back from kde3, but i assume it will catch up. kde3 was slow and heavy when it first came out, too. |
| 08:59.50 | Arafangion | buntfalke: I don't really like the design, either. It's a very heavy-handed approach to software design. |
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| 09:00.06 | buntfalke | well, I use the terminal for code and system configuration only, actually |
| 09:00.43 | buntfalke | everything got its up and downsides, i used fluxbox myself for quite a while some years ago |
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| 09:01.07 | buntfalke | (and all the other *box'es for that matter) |
| 09:01.39 | Arafangion | I used Gnome for a while, adn I have to admit, I do _prefer_ KDE to gnome, however, even then, I prefer XFCE, and even then, the newfangled whatzitname is pretty good too. |
| 09:01.47 | mnuhmnuh | Arafangion: no offence meant. i use fbox because it gets in my way far less than others. |
| 09:01.58 | Arafangion | The difference is that unlike KDE and Gnome, the alternative DE's are just that - Desktop Environments. |
| 09:02.09 | Arafangion | They aren't the whole shebang as well. |
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| 09:03.18 | Arafangion | Interestingly, Totem has 'Eject' in the file menu, but it is disabled. I wonder if _somethign_ is automatically mounting it - does Debian Squeeze do this? |
| 09:03.36 | Arafangion | (And it is indeed mounted.) |
| 09:03.52 | mnuhmnuh | Arafangion: cat /etc/fstab |
| 09:03.53 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.06 | Arafangion | /dev/cdrom1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:04.15 | Arafangion | That's the one in fstab |
| 09:04.22 | buntfalke | it's a dvd, so it needs to be mounted to be accessable |
| 09:04.50 | buntfalke | if it was an audiocd, there wouldnt be a need to mount it, so i guess totem mounts it itself. |
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| 09:06.48 | buntfalke | if you really want to know, mv /bin/mount /bin/mount.bin, echo "#!/bin/sh; pstree >> /TOTEM; mount.bin ${@}" > /bin/mount |
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| 09:06.57 | buntfalke | or something like that |
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| 09:08.07 | Arafangion | buntfalke: I just want it to work. ;) I may be a programmer, but I'm a lazy one. |
| 09:08.44 | buntfalke | Arafangion: and besides: kde is not just an "environment". you got IDEs, pixel graphics, vector graphics, terminals, koffice, dokument viewers, and so on |
| 09:09.17 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Yes, that's the issue I have with it. It's too monolithic. |
| 09:09.22 | buntfalke | ideally, you would never have to leave the KDE-world as far as GUI applications are concerned. it's not quite there yet (audacity for example) but it's on the way |
| 09:09.28 | buntfalke | oh. i see. |
| 09:09.38 | buntfalke | well - I /like/ that. |
| 09:09.39 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Yes, it's practically an OS of its own. |
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| 09:09.56 | buntfalke | its an advantage imho. i prefert it exactly because of this. |
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| 09:10.54 | Arafangion | kparts is probably the bit that ruins it for me. |
| 09:11.05 | buntfalke | oO |
| 09:11.12 | buntfalke | I like them, too! :-) |
| 09:11.20 | Arafangion | Don't get me wrong, it's good in principle, but my goodness, the amount of infrastracture that it wants is heaps. |
| 09:11.39 | buntfalke | click a pdf in a webpage, and it just opens as if it was the webpage, no matter how many bad webdesigners get into existence :-) |
| 09:11.48 | holycow | Arafangion: interesting point about desktops |
| 09:11.52 | Arafangion | Konqueror is pretty good in that regard. |
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| 09:12.12 | ROnx^ | hello, |
| 09:12.17 | holycow | i have totally given up on desktops as a concept. i hate gnome and kde4 is awesome but then again its kde4 |
| 09:12.19 | Arafangion | And it does take advantage of kparts to do so, however, it's not the only way. |
| 09:12.31 | ROnx^ | i've just read that busybox has built-in support for shell scripts |
| 09:12.33 | buntfalke | Arafangion: well - create a similar env without KDE/gnome/... and you'll end up with even more infrastructure due to duplication |
| 09:12.36 | ROnx^ | but by that do they mean that the scripts that work on bash would work on busybox ? |
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| 09:12.48 | Arafangion | holycow: Grammatically, did you intend the "gnome and kde4" to be "Gnome, but KDE4"? |
| 09:12.50 | holycow | i basically switced to running kdm as a session manager, stumpwm for window management and then run whatever apps i need inside of that |
| 09:13.07 | ROnx^ | do they have their own scripting lang or something like that? |
| 09:13.10 | holycow | yes :) |
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| 09:13.50 | Arafangion | buntfalke: I disagree. |
| 09:14.00 | Arafangion | ROnx^: Keep in mind that a scripting langauge can be very tiny indeed. |
| 09:14.08 | buntfalke | Arafangion: Good! So I won! :-P |
| 09:14.10 | buntfalke | hehe |
| 09:14.23 | Arafangion | buntfalke: No, I'm trying to find that other one that I thought was quite decent. |
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| 09:15.09 | buntfalke | no, honestly: run okular for PDFs, and then what? firefox as a browser? and what's next? gimp? then maybe...uhm. pidgin. et voila: you got four infrastructures loaded, essentially |
| 09:15.13 | ROnx^ | Arafangion : some times what i write arent bash but just a list of command that need to be run one after the other |
| 09:15.20 | ROnx^ | would busybox support such a thing? |
| 09:15.26 | buntfalke | if you'd have run okular, konqueror, krita, and kopete it would be kde and nothing else |
| 09:15.51 | Arafangion | buntfalke: None of those use kparts. |
| 09:16.03 | Arafangion | buntfalke: And of the four, only gimp takes ages to load. |
| 09:16.21 | Arafangion | buntfalke: that said, once you've got kparts up and running, with all the KDE services, then you've essentially got KDE going. |
| 09:16.25 | buntfalke | ROnx^: run "/bin/busybox sh" and see for yourself |
| 09:16.53 | buntfalke | Arafangion: you will esentially have to have a kde going to run the apps i named |
| 09:17.00 | ROnx^ | buntfalke : sorry i dont have acces to the device thats running busybox |
| 09:17.09 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Perhaps if okular is a KDE application. |
| 09:17.16 | buntfalke | Arafangion: even khtml in konqueror is a kpart already |
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| 09:17.20 | ROnx^ | thats the problem :D |
| 09:17.32 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Yes it is. I'm of the opinion that it should be a library. |
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| 09:17.49 | buntfalke | Arafangion: kparts are essentially just plugins, which do per se not require any additionall "services" or so |
| 09:18.54 | Arafangion | buntfalke: It does require a fair bit of infrastructure, but you are correct, they are commonly used as plugins. |
| 09:19.05 | buntfalke | Arafangion: a kpart is a ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 09:19.09 | buntfalke | Arafangion: that is a library. |
| 09:19.22 | Arafangion | Yes, and what is the means of interacting with it? |
| 09:20.23 | Arafangion | Ah, that's the DE I liked, LXDE. |
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| 09:20.48 | Azrael_- | i just created debian-packages for bacula 5 for lenny. is it always that easy to backport packages (from sid to lenny)? |
| 09:20.49 | Arafangion | I do have my eye on E17, though. |
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| 09:21.58 | buntfalke | Arafangion: well - you load the library, and call it's functions? |
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| 09:22.10 | buntfalke | Azrael_-: no. |
| 09:22.23 | buntfalke | Azrael_-: might not compile, due to older environment. |
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| 09:22.59 | Azrael_- | k, this time i only had to change the dependencies from postgresql 8.4 to 8.3 :) |
| 09:23.13 | Arafangion | Azrael_-: That's a fairly big jump, if I remember correctly. |
| 09:23.44 | Arafangion | buntfalke: Well, where is the interface? |
| 09:24.06 | Azrael_- | Arafangion: according to the docs bacula works from 8.3 up and as i will use it with mysql i won't note any problems/bugs there |
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| 09:24.16 | Arafangion | Cool. |
| 09:24.41 | Arafangion | If that's the case, then it probably shouldn't depend on postgresql, but instead recommends it - why are you using mysql instead of postgresql, though? |
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| 09:25.28 | Azrael_- | because all my servers (mostly web) work with mysql, thus i have the most experience with it. don't want to take the effort to use postgresql just for bacula |
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| 09:26.18 | badserii | Hello. Suddenly vlc stopped playing downloaded flv files. is it possible to recover the previous performance? |
| 09:26.28 | buntfalke | Arafangion: I dont see your point, you load it like any other lib, too, and call functions of the "class MyBrandNewKPart : public KParts::ReadWritePart", for instance |
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| 09:26.41 | Azrael_- | next part: setting up a repository in order to distribute it across all my servers without problems |
| 09:26.44 | buntfalke | badserii: yes, use mplayer. |
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| 09:27.06 | Arafangion | Azrael_-: The reason why I'm biased against mysql is because I do not trust any database vendor that does not understand the need for ACID compliance, and worse, considers it utterly unneccessary. (It'd be forgivenable if they instead portrayed MySQL as sometimes not needing it, which is quite possibly the case for single-threaded web servers) |
| 09:27.25 | Arafangion | Azrael_-: That said, that's a very good reason for sticking with it - you already know it, and it works. |
| 09:27.36 | Azrael_- | acid? |
| 09:28.16 | buntfalke | atomicity, consistency, isolation, durability |
| 09:28.36 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 09:30.47 | _Dave123_ | is it always possible to see at an e-mail from which ip-address the sender originates? |
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| 09:33.23 | badserii | buntfalke, is there a gui for mplayer? Or at least, how to make it show up in the gnome menu? |
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| 09:35.26 | badserii | I found smplayer |
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| 09:38.51 | marckie | hi. i touched /home/aquota.user and chmod 600 it, remounted home. but when i issue 'quotaon /dev/sdb1', im getting "quotaon: Cannot find quota file on /home [/dev/sdb1] to turn quotas on/off." |
| 09:38.55 | marckie | any clue what im missing? |
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| 09:42.24 | jmarsden | marckie: Maybe you are missing aquota.group ? |
| 09:42.43 | marckie | jmarsden, i have another box where there's no aquota.group |
| 09:43.34 | marckie | but i just tried it, same error |
| 09:43.50 | oggei | iirc it's not enough to "touch" quota files, you'll have to write something in it |
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| 09:46.57 | marckie | i probably need to run quotacheck for that |
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| 09:47.57 | oggei | you can also need to provide details here on how you did what |
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| 09:49.15 | crow | hmm is it posible to install this debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso from usb stick, i tryed using unetbootin but debian installation fails on checking source cd/and i cant load it from usb stick.. |
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| 09:52.31 | babilen | !tell crow -about usb install |
| 09:52.55 | babilen | crow: Follow the installation guide's "Easy Method" .. |
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| 09:55.51 | crow | babilen yea but i cant find hd-media in squeeze http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 09:55.52 | buntfalke | badserii: uhm...dunno? there are tons of GUIs for it - though I dont use them...can't help with that, sorry |
| 09:56.27 | babilen | crow: Don't use the squeeze installer |
| 09:56.43 | crow | why not? |
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| 09:58.14 | babilen | crow: Because it is not yet stable and in heavy development. But if you want to help with it's development: |
| 09:58.17 | oggei | installers follow a release cycle similar to debian version, better use stable ones (they let choose anyway branch to install) |
| 09:58.26 | babilen | crow: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 10:00.20 | crow | thnx, well i wanna to try squeeze :) |
| 10:00.46 | babilen | crow: Have fun and report all bugs you run into ;-) |
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| 10:04.47 | mondoshawan | goog morning, i like to start my saslauthd my config https://gist.github.com/db88532f66ad17dd97e7 but if i try saslfinger -c i got this https://gist.github.com/d079f3204ba7676259e4 |
| 10:05.14 | mondoshawan | somebody has a idea? |
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| 10:06.10 | Azrael_- | if i start apt-get update too often, do i get blocked for some time? |
| 10:06.21 | babilen | no - and use aptitude |
| 10:07.36 | babilen | Azrael_-: But why do you want to run the update that often? |
| 10:08.28 | babilen | mondoshawan: You could also ask in #cyrus (it's not that active, but it might be worth a try) |
| 10:08.34 | wols | nhandler_: there are two smth auth "families", there is smtpD_auth and there is smtp_auth. are you sure you use the right one? for what do you want smtp auth? |
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| 10:08.57 | wols | mondoshawan: ^^ that was for you |
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| 10:10.19 | mondoshawan | oh they are 2 diffrent? |
| 10:11.56 | wols | yes. again, what should your postfix do with your smtp auth |
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| 10:12.13 | wols | do you need it to connect to a smarthost? |
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| 10:23.27 | rahsputin | hi. i am looking for the command that i.e. gnome ( button turn off computer ) uses to shutdown the pc with user rights |
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| 10:24.58 | oggei | it's probably a *dm task |
| 10:25.02 | mondoshawan | i neet smtpd_auth for checking user/pass for all outgoing mails ... i use postfix, courier-imap and openldap |
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| 10:26.57 | iwkse | hi, any of you tried xterm -e with sshfs? it seems after a passphrase is given nothing happens |
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| 10:28.00 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 10:28.27 | jelly | iwkse: have you tried running sshfs in an interactive shell instead? |
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| 10:28.40 | rares | can I get a low latency kernel set up without recompiling |
| 10:28.48 | iwkse | jelly: yes it works in interactive but i need it with -e |
| 10:29.23 | iwkse | jelly: i'm using it with a thunar action that's why i need it in this way |
| 10:29.51 | jelly | iwkse: xterm -s sh -c "sshfs ..."? |
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| 10:29.59 | jelly | iwkse: xterm -e sh -c "sshfs ..."? |
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| 10:30.07 | mondoshawan | here ist my saslfinger -s output maybe is here a mistake? https://gist.github.com/69ccd9818b231ef1ec0e |
| 10:30.29 | jelly | iwkse: why do you need that xterm anyway, password entry? |
| 10:30.45 | iwkse | jelly: yes passphrase entry |
| 10:30.51 | jelly | iwkse: you might be happier with ssh-agent |
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| 10:32.18 | iwkse | jelly: it doesn't work with -e sh too.. |
| 10:32.27 | iwkse | jelly: mm..ok i'll check a way with ssh-agent |
| 10:32.41 | iwkse | jelly: thanks :) |
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| 10:35.27 | jelly | iwkse: it ought to work, but sshfs is such a hack, it could have weird tty interactions |
| 10:35.50 | jelly | iwkse: I'd file a bug report |
| 10:35.58 | iwkse | jelly: yeah, because on the plain way works nice |
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| 10:36.28 | iwkse | jelly: bug report for sshfs? |
| 10:36.31 | jelly | yes |
| 10:36.37 | iwkse | sound good |
| 10:36.39 | wols | mondoshawan: saslfinger did what it's supposed to do and the result looks positive |
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| 10:38.52 | mondoshawan | but look at this on? saslfinger -c i got https://gist.github.com/bc9c042841b6680fcf3f |
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| 10:39.56 | wols | do you know what saslfinger does with each option? and what I saed about smtpd_auth and smtp_auth before? |
| 10:40.11 | wols | sotpd_auth is configued, smtp_auth is not. |
| 10:41.03 | wols | do you want a mail client authenticate to postfix or do you want postfix to authenticate against a remote MTA? |
| 10:41.35 | mondoshawan | no a client to auth to postfix |
| 10:42.35 | iwkse | jelly: i filed it |
| 10:43.00 | wols | then it looks you're done with saslfinger |
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| 10:47.02 | mondoshawan | lol yes i read now the manpage for saslfinger ... huch ok ... |
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| 10:50.13 | Arafangion | mnuhmnuh: Hey, sorry for the delay. I've since watched a movie and got caught up in some other things, however, I seem to have found something. |
| 10:50.31 | Arafangion | mnuhmnuh: Specifically, if I use 'eject -i off', then I get: ioctl on CDROM_LOCKDOOR: Device or resource busy |
| 10:50.39 | mondoshawan | wols look this is my saslauthd config https://gist.github.com/6a219a0e22d3029691c7 the funny think is in the manpages i read that if i use ldap MECHANISMs /etc/saslauthd.conf is required ... but with strace i never see that saslauthd opens this config file |
| 10:50.54 | mondoshawan | funny thing |
| 10:50.56 | Arafangion | (It'd be great if anyone else could hypothise a reason why I might be getting that message, even though I had closed totem about a minute prior to that command) |
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| 10:51.07 | oggei | Arafangion: do you belong to right group (cdrom) ? |
| 10:51.32 | Arafangion | oggei: I do belong to the right group, but let me check something... |
| 10:51.47 | oggei | also check fuser -vm /dev/<cddev> |
| 10:52.10 | Arafangion | oggei: Who should hold group privilages for those devices? |
| 10:52.37 | Arafangion | Hmm, well, cdrom's the group, so that's correct, too. |
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| 10:52.40 | oggei | users who want to burn cd (if burner) and write commands like eject |
| 10:53.04 | Arafangion | I'm the only user, and the only thing that is done is play movies, using totem, on squeeze. |
| 10:53.40 | oggei | then it's up to you decide |
| 10:53.43 | Arafangion | oggei: The response of that command you provided is: /dev/sr0: root kernel mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 10:54.18 | oggei | if you give eject from root, does it works ? |
| 10:54.42 | oggei | the problem is can eject can't umount root mounted things |
| 10:54.46 | Arafangion | It does indeed work, but I detest using root for routine tasks. |
| 10:54.48 | oggei | as /usr/bin/eject is not suid |
| 10:55.00 | Arafangion | And I don't see why root should have mounted it. |
| 10:55.20 | oggei | can you umount that as a normal user ? |
| 10:55.25 | Arafangion | Oh, yeah, sure. |
| 10:55.29 | Arafangion | I can eject it just fine, too. |
| 10:55.35 | Arafangion | I just can't pass that -i flag. |
| 10:55.50 | Arafangion | Nor can I use the cdrom button, unless I pass that -i flag. |
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| 10:56.29 | oggei | aaah, i just read wrong thing sorry |
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| 10:56.50 | Arafangion | oggei: That's fine - I'm not stressed, just annoyed. |
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| 10:57.26 | oggei | try to strace -e open,read,write,ioctl eject -i blahblah |
| 10:57.55 | Arafangion | If it's an ioctl message, what more of a diagnostic would you get? |
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| 10:58.24 | Arafangion | oggei: Just a moment... |
| 10:58.46 | Arafangion | The CD gets mounted automatically? |
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| 10:58.53 | Arafangion | Must be new to squeeze? |
| 10:59.05 | oggei | in fact, an ioctl like that should not have interactions with totem or so, also |
| 10:59.27 | Arafangion | Totem does seem to have been a red-herring. |
| 10:59.37 | Arafangion | It exhibits the issue even before I start totem. |
| 10:59.57 | Arafangion | (It was only that totem is the only way I've interacted with the CD Drive, having not even issued a mount command) |
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| 11:01.41 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 11:04.24 | kombi | switching from apache-ssl to apache2 I set up the ssl-module to listen on port 444, but that throws ssl_error_rx_record_too_long. Must ssl operate on 443? |
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| 11:05.24 | Arafangion | kombi: I'd check what that error means. |
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| 11:05.46 | iceroot | kombi: the ssl_error_rx_reccord... error comes normaly if apache is listening on another interface then connection to it. often you get the error if you use port-forwadring with ssh -L 9999:localhost:443 and ise localhost:9999 instead of interface-ip-is-listening:9999 |
| 11:05.57 | kombi | means just that apparently according to my fist research, don't fully trust it yet though |
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| 11:07.57 | iceroot | kombi: maybe you speak german :-) https://forge.univention.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17128 |
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| 11:09.29 | kombi | iceroot: I do a little;) that's a localhost configuration though. Anyway, I'll just check mid-production by switching servers, heck it's been done befoer |
| 11:09.37 | kombi | ..fore |
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| 11:10.40 | iceroot | kombi: yes but the problem is the same. the name you call the website is not the same as in ssl-configuration |
| 11:10.44 | iceroot | imo |
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| 11:11.00 | kombi | iceroot: make sense! |
| 11:11.08 | xand | win 90 |
| 11:11.24 | kombi | iceroot: I mean, that makes sense... |
| 11:11.31 | iceroot | kombi: i dont know if it is a bug or a feature |
| 11:11.47 | kombi | if in doubt, always the latter;) |
| 11:12.01 | iceroot | :) |
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| 11:14.05 | iceroot | kombi: also the ports.conf must contain the correct port |
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| 11:14.24 | iceroot | kombi: http://www.knaupes.net/firefox-fehlermeldung-ssl_error_rx_record_too_long-12263/ german too, i am sorry |
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| 11:16.18 | kombi | iceroot: still I wonder why a mere change of the port triggers that error |
| 11:16.50 | iceroot | kombi: i dont know enough about ssl and its strcutur to detect correct connections |
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| 11:21.21 | slux | any idea what would cause apache/squid to see connections from localhost through loopback as having the source address of the external ISP-assigned IP? |
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| 12:02.21 | superlinux | i want to resume a download from 4shared.com using the free user. how? |
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| 12:02.53 | oggei | superlinux: how exactly this relates to debian ? |
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| 12:04.00 | superlinux | oggei, i am looking for a software that can do me that. I know wget can resume using the cookies.txt file. but i am not sure about it. |
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| 12:05.00 | oggei | man wget probably keep everything you should do |
| 12:05.12 | Arafangion | man is all super linux people need. |
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| 12:06.19 | superlinux | Arafangion, I know guys about man . maybe you should test it not with 4shared.com, but with rapidshare |
| 12:07.07 | oggei | superlinux: you're still offtopic |
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| 12:07.17 | superlinux | am I?! |
| 12:07.20 | TomyLobo | try #warez or something :) |
| 12:07.20 | superlinux | ok |
| 12:07.51 | superlinux | is't cos of warez issues!? sorry, I did not mean so |
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| 12:08.56 | chmouel | hi guys i am wondering if people already compiled gwibber dev version under debian unstable? |
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| 12:19.22 | rocketmagnet | hi all, where do i find the plugin dir for icedove ? |
| 12:19.35 | crow | debian-testing squeeze installer cant update grub here.. (old grub from archlinux is on mbr/ |
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| 12:26.41 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:39.41 | SuperFlo | how do I know which flags my smbclient binary has been compiled with ? |
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| 12:39.58 | wols | you download the debian source package and look |
| 12:40.25 | SuperFlo | damn, I hate binaries. thanks |
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| 12:44.42 | fhd | Hi. I'm not sure what happened, but since I updated my squeeze a while ago, NetworkManager does not connect automatically when logging into Gnome anymore. Has anything changed with NetworkManagerApplet? |
| 12:44.59 | fhd | I have to manually select "ifupdown" from the list, that's new as well |
| 12:45.45 | fhd | Plus the icon used to display I'm connected clearly shows a cable in front, but not in an RJ45 jack |
| 12:45.53 | Arafangion | fhd: Use wicd instead if you can, it's better. |
| 12:46.08 | wols | wlan or wired? |
| 12:46.23 | Arafangion | fhd: NetworkManager suffers from a design flaw wherein it _tries_ to be smart, but then hides which mode it is using. |
| 12:46.24 | fhd | wired, DHCP |
| 12:46.26 | fhd | as simple as it gets |
| 12:46.45 | wols | does it work without network manager or X in general? |
| 12:47.00 | fhd | wols: no, but that's a problem I've had for a long time |
| 12:47.05 | Arafangion | leaves wols to the task. :) |
| 12:47.08 | wols | what chip? |
| 12:47.17 | fhd | wols: since I'm using NetworkManager, there is no way I can think of to connect myself ot the network without launching NetworkManagerApplet |
| 12:48.23 | fhd | wols: it's a 3Com 3c940 1GB network card |
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| 12:50.29 | wols | you should check your various logs, frm kernel log upwards |
| 12:51.07 | fhd | wols: so you're saying it should automatically connect me when I log into gnome? |
| 12:51.15 | fhd | I thought there might have been a change in behaviour |
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| 12:52.53 | wols | obviosuly it should actually it should get an IP when you boot up.when gdm is there, you should already be logged in |
| 12:53.24 | fhd | wols: I'd love that behaviour. As I said, even when it worked properly, I didn't get an IP before logging into Gnome once |
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| 12:53.42 | fhd | wols: Missing a command line client for NetworkManager, that was pretty annoying |
| 12:54.33 | fhd | wols: I've found something: "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready" - might this be the culprit? |
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| 12:59.16 | Backup | any one goten the c-media usb soundcard working in lenny, or know how to make it work? |
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| 13:00.57 | pheaver | whoops, just wiped my partition table, but I haven't rebooted. is there a way to restore it from something cached in memory? |
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| 13:06.10 | frostschutz | pheaver: /proc/partitions? |
| 13:06.23 | pheaver | frostschutz: heh, i *just* ran into that after some googling |
| 13:06.30 | pheaver | as well as gpart, which i am trying now |
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| 13:07.01 | pheaver | i knew the information was accessible somewhere, i just couldn't remember where |
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| 13:07.17 | MohammadAG | hi |
| 13:07.33 | komodo | pheaver: testdisk is also good |
| 13:07.44 | frostschutz | pheaver: proc/partitions only shows the size, but that may be sufficient for recreating it with one of the fdisks |
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| 13:08.05 | frostschutz | pheaver: sfdisk can dump/restore partitions, so it's easy to keep a backup of the partition table around for future incidents |
| 13:08.16 | pheaver | frostschutz: yeah looks like i'll have to do some math if i use proc/partitions |
| 13:08.20 | MohammadAG | debian isn't detecting my CD drivers |
| 13:08.29 | pheaver | heh, yes, i should be keeping a backup |
| 13:08.36 | AlexAnteee | lol, frostschutz ... funny nick! |
| 13:08.51 | frostschutz | AlexAnteee: yes, especially during summer... :) |
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| 13:09.40 | AlexAnteee | is there a chance making my beloved comp beep when it's finished booting? |
| 13:10.13 | pheaver | oh definitely |
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| 13:10.28 | frostschutz | beep, huh... I once did that when my alarm clock broke, I had it wake up on a specific time and then beep beep beep |
| 13:10.36 | AlexAnteee | oh, cool |
| 13:10.48 | pheaver | yeah beep is in the repo |
| 13:11.02 | AlexAnteee | I've seen that package, yes. |
| 13:11.11 | AlexAnteee | any configuration hint? |
| 13:11.32 | pheaver | well you can call it from /etc/rc.local to make it beep on startup |
| 13:12.50 | pheaver | weeee! testdisk worked |
| 13:12.57 | pheaver | and it was pleasant to use too |
| 13:12.57 | frostschutz | if the machine is already capable of beeping you could just use echo -e '\a' which should be the alarm/bell/beep character. however some terminals prefer flashing instead of beeping or doing nothing ;) |
| 13:13.34 | frostschutz | of course a program that can talk to the pc speaker directly lets you beep in a melody ;) |
| 13:13.37 | fhd | wols: Is network-manager supposed to connect me to the network at startup? Which init-script does this? networking or network-manager? |
| 13:13.38 | pheaver | remember folks, the partition table IS on your MBR! |
| 13:14.08 | pierre_le | only the 4 primary ones |
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| 13:14.16 | pheaver | ... |
| 13:14.30 | pheaver | well the extended are within a primary anyway, right? |
| 13:14.48 | komodo | pheaver: told you, i have good experiences with testdisk |
| 13:14.53 | pheaver | heh |
| 13:15.27 | pierre_le | mbr don't know bout' extended ones |
| 13:15.44 | pheaver | yeah but so what |
| 13:15.55 | pheaver | you're gonna lose the extended ones if you wipe the MBR |
| 13:16.13 | pierre_le | you lose the entry points |
| 13:16.26 | pierre_le | but they can be restored with some tools |
| 13:16.30 | pheaver | of course |
| 13:16.34 | pheaver | just like the primary ones can, too |
| 13:16.38 | pheaver | i just went through that :0 |
| 13:16.40 | pheaver | :) |
| 13:16.54 | pheaver | my point is, it's no really meaningful in this context to say that the extended ones aren't in the MBR but the primary ones are. |
| 13:17.29 | pheaver | as the extended ones are simply inside the primary ones which are referred to by the MBR |
| 13:17.53 | pierre_le | but actually, the whole part table is not physically stored on a msdos mbr. |
| 13:18.12 | pheaver | no it isn't |
| 13:18.58 | pheaver | the table of the primary partitions is, so if you wipe the MBR you lose that. |
| 13:19.12 | pierre_le | the non primary part infos are on the ebr |
| 13:19.14 | RobertX | Does OpenOffice.org come with Debian? |
| 13:19.17 | pheaver | so what |
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| 13:19.58 | pierre_le | if you wipe the mbr the disk is non bootable, but ext part infos are still somewhere |
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| 13:20.22 | pheaver | yeah so what |
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| 13:20.38 | pheaver | all i said was that the partition table is stored in the MBR. that's not incorrect. there's no need to correct me on that |
| 13:20.42 | pierre_le | so it makes no major difference |
| 13:20.48 | RobertX | Is OpenOffice included in the latest version of Debian? |
| 13:21.06 | iceroot | RobertX: sure |
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| 13:21.22 | RobertX | By default? |
| 13:21.34 | adb | .. |
| 13:21.59 | iceroot | RobertX: i guess so, never used the normal cd |
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| 13:22.11 | RobertX | OK thanks. |
| 13:22.13 | iceroot | RobertX: if not, use apt-get |
| 13:22.14 | Flash_ | it's in the standard repositories |
| 13:22.40 | Flash_ | but the main disk set is 26-odd cd's last I checked, so most go with a netinst I believe |
| 13:22.50 | RobertX | I know, Flash, but I'd prefer it to be on the DVDs if I am unable to go online. |
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| 13:23.21 | Flash_ | fair enough - then yeah, go for the 4 or 5 dvd set, but you may want to double check the package list rather than take my word for it. that can be done on the debian site |
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| 13:23.37 | RobertX | OK. Thank you, Flash. |
| 13:23.44 | simplechat | hey |
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| 13:23.52 | simplechat | is there any way to set up an arp server under debian? |
| 13:24.25 | mguy | Just get the first DVD, or even the first CD |
| 13:24.34 | mguy | there's so many packages you'll never use on all those other CD's |
| 13:24.58 | mguy | No point in downloading all that data |
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| 13:28.32 | edwin_quijada | Hi! Iam trying to activate snmp to monitor debian server |
| 13:29.43 | edwin_quijada | with solarwind but this can find my server |
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| 13:30.14 | edwin_quijada | I run snmpwalk localhost -c public -v1 to see and I get this |
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| 13:31.00 | crow | seems vi still is making probs, vim-nox needed again... |
| 13:31.01 | asdzxc | hi |
| 13:31.18 | asdzxc | how can i write text to a file in bash script without using redirection ? |
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| 13:31.51 | j4K0b | asdzxc why avoid redirection? |
| 13:31.54 | mguy | edwin_quijada: Did you change your snmpd.conf? By default it won't work |
| 13:32.15 | asdzxc | j4K0b: i just can't use it. is there any text editor which supports non-interactive mode of something ? |
| 13:32.18 | edwin_quijada | mguy: yes , I did |
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| 13:32.28 | edwin_quijada | but solarwind cant see it |
| 13:32.40 | j4K0b | asdzxc: sorry not what i know of |
| 13:33.02 | RobertX | I've been using Ubuntu my whole life, but in your opinion, is Debian better? |
| 13:33.04 | asdzxc | j4K0b: any other ideas how to do it without 'echo >' ? |
| 13:33.14 | pierre_le | asdzxc, use dd |
| 13:33.18 | edwin_quijada | this is the output of snmpwalk localhost |
| 13:33.20 | edwin_quijada | http://pastebin.com/m167215da |
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| 13:33.53 | pheaver | frostschutz: ha! turns out i had backed up the partition table a while back |
| 13:33.56 | mguy | RobertX: Ubuntu is based on Debian. You're going to get off-topic if you discuss which is better |
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| 13:34.22 | mguy | past your snmpd.conf |
| 13:34.29 | edwin_quijada | mguy: OK |
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| 13:35.53 | asdzxc | pierre_le: thnx |
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| 13:40.17 | smacnay | How do packages I use daily (autopano-sift-c for example) get tagged as obsolete in Debian? |
| 13:40.44 | smacnay | I had a list of 30+ packages that I use a lot get marked that way today and am not sure why. |
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| 13:41.50 | wols | smacnay: that package is not in debian. is it a third party package? |
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| 13:48.15 | edwin_quijada | this is my snmpd.conf |
| 13:48.18 | edwin_quijada | http://pastebin.com/m29b8bf1c |
| 13:48.38 | jelly | smacnay: they're marked obsolete is aptitude can't find them in any configured repo |
| 13:48.41 | jelly | if* |
| 13:49.17 | jelly | I think that segment was called Obsolete/Local before |
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| 14:06.06 | Kryll | how do i install dependancies at the same time with dpkg |
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| 14:06.21 | superlinux | Kryll, |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | Kryll: do you have them all? if not, aptitude -f |
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| 14:06.57 | superlinux | why not try copy all the deb files to the /var/cache/apt/archives ? then use apt-get |
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| 14:08.33 | debianite | Hi, I'm using irssi as irc client, is it possible to have spellcheking? |
| 14:08.34 | superlinux | what i usually do is copy the *.deb files to the /var/cache/apt/archives then do `apt-get update` then `apt-get install my_app` |
| 14:09.16 | yq | http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=382 <- Getting "No such file or directory" when I'm executing a file, any ideas as to what is causing this? I have had this before - it was caused my some missing 32-bit package |
| 14:09.21 | superlinux | always leave the /var/cache/apt/archive files in backup copy. they save you time |
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| 14:09.50 | Kryll | abrotman: I tried that command but I have no idea how to use aptitude |
| 14:10.07 | abrotman | Kryll: i told you exactly what to do |
| 14:10.09 | superlinux | Kryll, use apt-get easier |
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| 14:11.25 | smacnay | wols, ah, yes, these are all from Debian-multimedia. I didn't think of that. |
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| 14:11.37 | Kryll | abrotman: well afeter i entered that command I still couldnt figure what to do with it |
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| 14:16.06 | abrotman | superlinux: do not do that |
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| 14:16.34 | abrotman | Kryll: put the output of the command in a pastebin |
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| 14:16.54 | slaeshjag | Uh... I think I screwed something up. Runned hdparm, and now that computer is *sort of* dead o_O |
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| 14:17.49 | superlinux | abrotman, why mate? it always works for me |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | superlinux: you're not helping |
| 14:18.14 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:18.21 | slaeshjag | No socket connections are accepted, but existing one's working. Cant't login, neither thru ssh or tty. But I'm streaming music from that very computer o_O |
| 14:18.38 | slaeshjag | Any ideas on how to get into a shell on it? |
| 14:18.44 | superlinux | anyway it saves me download allowance and time too |
| 14:18.58 | abrotman | superlinux: just stop already |
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| 14:19.16 | abrotman | please don't give your bad habits to other people |
| 14:19.19 | Kryll | http://kryll.pastebin.com/m31275f82 |
| 14:19.33 | abrotman | Kryll: and now the output of "aptitude -f install" |
| 14:19.58 | superlinux | commits silence |
| 14:22.28 | abrotman | Kryll: you're aware that other programs support Yahoo Messenger, right ? |
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| 14:22.43 | Backup | any one that can help me get my usb soundcard working in lenny? Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter |
| 14:23.21 | Kryll | http://kryll.pastebin.com/m52a83a96 |
| 14:23.29 | Kryll | yes im aware of pidgin |
| 14:23.43 | abrotman | Kryll: which version of debian is this ? |
| 14:23.56 | Kryll | and i didnt do the aptitude -f install i did aptitude -f |
| 14:23.56 | abrotman | Kryll: that ymessenger must be like five years old |
| 14:24.11 | Kryll | oh lol forget that then |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | Backup: it might need firmware |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | judd: versions xlibs |
| 14:24.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xlibs' was found. |
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| 14:24.31 | abrotman | that's how old it is |
| 14:24.48 | Backup | abrotman: where can i find the firmware? |
| 14:25.01 | Kryll | abrotman: I have pidgin installed but its not connecting for some reason |
| 14:25.08 | abrotman | Backup: there are a few 'firmware' apckages in non-free |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | Kryll: which version of debian ? |
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| 14:25.35 | Kryll | lenny |
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| 14:25.54 | abrotman | Kryll: you might want to try the pidgin in backports.org ... /msg dpkg bpo .. what's the error that Y! is giving ? |
| 14:26.00 | gigo | sometimes my laptop monitor becomes dim and it doesn't become bright even after i do some keyboard or mouse activity. how to fix this? |
| 14:26.01 | superlinux | guys, just a curiosity: what is the origin of the word cookies that is used in browsers? |
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| 14:26.32 | abrotman | superlinux: go ask google |
| 14:26.36 | Kryll | abrotman: could be because I was signed in on my windows computer |
| 14:26.46 | gigo | superlinux, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie#History |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | Kryll: possibly, i don't use that Yahoo service |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | gigo: jesus .. let him learn how to google |
| 14:27.13 | abrotman | stop spoonfeeding him .. he'll never learn how to do anything ... |
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| 14:27.33 | gigo | ok |
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| 14:28.35 | Backup | abrotman: i dont find any c-media in non-free. i'm shit out of luck then or? |
| 14:28.50 | abrotman | Backup: uname -r |
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| 14:29.23 | Backup | abrotman: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 14:30.23 | abrotman | !tell Backup about bpo |
| 14:30.26 | wols | Backup: ask google about the USB id to check what hardware it is. it usually knows where and how to get a driver. if you know what driver, THEN you can search in debian repos |
| 14:30.43 | Kryll | abrotman: is there another client such as pidgin |
| 14:30.43 | abrotman | Backup: try the newer kernel there |
| 14:30.52 | abrotman | Kryll: plenty .. i asked you what the error message was |
| 14:31.01 | Backup | ok, thanks |
| 14:31.26 | Kryll | abrotman: it just says available and sitts there |
| 14:31.30 | dimplick | is there a command-line application to obtain e-mails from mail servers |
| 14:31.40 | iceroot | dimplick: mutt |
| 14:31.54 | wols | Kryll: open a terminal, run "pidgin" and say what error it spits out if any |
| 14:31.54 | dimplick | iceroot: cheers |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | Kryll: take a screen shot and use picpaste.com |
| 14:31.55 | Kryll | dimplick: you might try ssmtp |
| 14:32.05 | abrotman | Kryll: that's for sending to a smarthost |
| 14:32.09 | abrotman | !ssmtp |
| 14:32.10 | dpkg | sSMTP is an extremely simple <MTA> to get mail off the system to a mailhub. It does not receive mail, expand aliases or manage a queue. As of ssmtp 2.64-1, /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf is no longer readable to all users (see Debian bugs #500454, #557948). http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP . See also <nullmailer>. |
| 14:32.25 | Kryll | wols: ok |
| 14:32.52 | wols | dimplick: do you want to obtain mails to your local system or read and write emails at the console? |
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| 14:34.20 | dimplick | wols: yes as well as mail from 3rd party services such as google |
| 14:35.04 | wols | dimplick: read my question again, try to understand it this time, and then answer me. doing that greatly enhances the chance of making sense |
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| 14:36.14 | dimplick | wols: roger that.. I would like to obtain mails and read/write via the console |
| 14:36.33 | wols | mutt it is then. for google and such, use the pop3 or imap access |
| 14:36.49 | dimplick | wols: thanks |
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| 14:37.27 | Kryll | http://picpaste.com/pidgin.png |
| 14:38.00 | Kryll | abrotman: sorry am slow |
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| 14:38.31 | Kryll | wols: and there is no errors from the command line |
| 14:38.39 | abrotman | Kryll: ah .. i see the issue |
| 14:38.40 | dennda | Installing gitweb on lenny didn't create /var/www/git |
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| 14:38.55 | wols | Kryll: tied configuring your IM client? like entering account data? |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | Kryll: close that window, open a terminal and type "pidgin -f &" |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | wols: it's n-m interfering |
| 14:39.23 | wols | fscking POS. wasn't it ubuntu that foisted that mess upon us? |
| 14:39.45 | abrotman | NFC .. but pidgin either has to be told to ignore it, or you have to configure n-m |
| 14:40.32 | wols | pidgin is available on win32 too afaik. wonder what they do there? port nm-applet? |
| 14:40.34 | Kryll | wols: yes I have |
| 14:40.49 | Kryll | abrotman: doesnt accept the -f option |
| 14:40.56 | abrotman | Kryll: use picpaste again |
| 14:40.58 | wols | Kryll: do what abrotman said. possibly change the shortcut of pidgin to add the -f too |
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| 14:41.51 | Backup | allright, it would appear my c-media usb soundcard needs the usb_yeaman kernel module. how would i go about applying this module? |
| 14:42.13 | abrotman | might have been wrong and mistaken an icon |
| 14:42.19 | Backup | usb_yealink* |
| 14:42.24 | abrotman | Backup: did you get the backports.org kernel ?> |
| 14:42.30 | wols | Backup: first you check various debian kernels if it already exists. it helps if you know when it was added to the mainline kernel |
| 14:42.44 | wols | packages.debian.org lets you peek inside debian kernel debs |
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| 14:43.24 | Backup | wols: cheers. abrotman: no i didnt yet, i figured i might just be able to apply the module to my current kernel. |
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| 14:43.52 | Kryll | http://picpaste.com/more_pidgin.png |
| 14:43.56 | wols | Backup: are ou sure about the name? google can't fine a "usb_yeaman" in all of the www |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | Kryll: does your browser work ? |
| 14:44.11 | wols | and if google can't find the name of a kernel module, it does not exist |
| 14:44.16 | Kryll | yes |
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| 14:44.40 | abrotman | Kryll: do you have another type of IM account to try ? |
| 14:44.47 | Kryll | abrotman: Im just slow |
| 14:44.48 | Backup | sorry it was a typo wols. i ment to say yealink |
| 14:45.04 | Kryll | abrotman: yes Ill try that |
| 14:45.35 | abrotman | Backup: /msg dpkg bpo .. get the backports.org kernel |
| 14:46.18 | Backup | ok |
| 14:46.24 | wols | Backup: this device worked snd-usb-audio in Fedora 4 with kernel 2.6.16 |
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| 14:46.48 | wols | so i kinda doubt it a different kernel makes a difference |
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| 14:47.28 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 14:47.29 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 14:47.41 | abrotman | Backup: do you have alsa-utils and linux-sound-base installed ? |
| 14:47.45 | Kryll | abrotman: tried my msn account same issue |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | Kryll: are you at work and maybe they don't allow it ? |
| 14:48.22 | Backup | abrotman: yes |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | Kryll: or are you supposed to use some sort of proxy ? |
| 14:48.37 | Kryll | abrotman: home im retired |
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| 14:48.48 | User975 | where can i dwnld kernel |
| 14:49.11 | TZug | www.kernel.org? |
| 14:49.12 | Backup | abrotman: ok i got backports in my sources.list now. which kernel do i get? |
| 14:49.19 | wols | User975: from your debian repository |
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| 14:49.53 | User975 | my irc connection is much faster for dwnlds |
| 14:49.56 | iceroot | Backup: apt-get dist-upgrade -s |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | Backup: hold on .. wols says it shuld work |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | iceroot: NO |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 14:50.07 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 14:50.12 | wols | Kryll: you don't get an error message, nothing? I don't use pidgin myself, but can't you force it to connect manually? some "connect" menu entry or such? and if so, no errors? |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | iceroot: and that wouldn't work anyway |
| 14:50.15 | iceroot | abrotman: yeah.... |
| 14:50.22 | iceroot | abrotman: why not? |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | ignores and continutes |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | continues |
| 14:50.43 | iceroot | abrotman: why it would not work? |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | Backup: look through dmesg .. see if your sound device is in there |
| 14:50.46 | wols | iceroot: cause it's bpo. think before you type |
| 14:50.52 | Kryll | wols: no errors at all from command line or desktop |
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| 14:51.07 | iceroot | wols: and why should it not show new kernel |
| 14:51.26 | wols | iceroot: pardon? |
| 14:51.29 | Backup | abrotman: ok. it might just be that it tries to use my internal soudcard, which isnt working. hence why i got the usb one. ill check dmesg tho |
| 14:51.37 | User975 | is ther irc channel for kernel download |
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| 14:51.42 | wols | User975: no |
| 14:51.49 | abrotman | User975: what's wrong with the kernel you have? |
| 14:51.51 | User975 | thns |
| 14:51.52 | wols | User975: what are you trying to do exactly. maybe we can help you |
| 14:51.54 | User975 | thnx |
| 14:52.10 | iceroot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.20 | iceroot | wols: why it should not show the new packages you get? |
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| 14:52.45 | User975 | i wnated to dwnld debian but its slow on my torrent |
| 14:52.45 | wols | iceroot: cause apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't show a new kernel. another display of such ignorance and <censored> and I ignore you. HAND |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | User975: so use the netinst .. |
| 14:53.21 | User975 | netinst? |
| 14:53.41 | Backup | abrotman: yes, i can find it in dmesg |
| 14:53.58 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 14:53.59 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 14:54.08 | Backup | abrotman: its int /class/input/input2 |
| 14:54.11 | iceroot | wols: keep cool |
| 14:54.11 | Backup | in* |
| 14:54.14 | abrotman | Backup: cat /proc/asound/cards .. i think that's it |
| 14:54.38 | User975 | ok thanks |
| 14:54.39 | iceroot | wols: not everyone knows everything and is happy if someone corrects him so he learn something new instead of get such an answer |
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| 14:55.09 | Backup | abrotman: yes, i see it. you want the outpout? |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | Backup: paste.debian.net |
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| 14:55.40 | wols | checks the ignore list for a new entry |
| 14:56.07 | Backup | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/59547/ |
| 14:57.24 | abrotman | Backup: go through the alsa checklist above .. |
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| 14:58.15 | craigevil | dist-upgrade will show a new kernel if you have the meta installed, like linux-image-686 or linux-image-amd64 |
| 14:58.22 | Kryll | abrotman: wols thanks for the trying to help |
| 14:58.28 | Backup | abrotman: im not sure i follow you now |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | !tell Backup about alsa checklist |
| 14:58.50 | iceroot | craigevil: thx |
| 14:59.03 | abrotman | craigevil: no |
| 14:59.13 | wols | Kryll: there are lots of different icq clients btw. apt-cache search ICQ should show quite a lot |
| 14:59.31 | abrotman | oh, he's using ICQ? uncheck the "Client Login" optin |
| 14:59.50 | Kryll | wols: ok ill look into it |
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| 15:00.18 | abrotman | Kryll: i thought you said Yahoo? if it's ICQ, go into the properties and uncheck the "Use Client Login" box |
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| 15:03.16 | abrotman | craigevil: iceroot: if you merely add the backports.org repo, and do not mess with the pinning, doing a full-upgrade does nothing |
| 15:03.34 | Backup | abrotman: the went through the checklist. every thing seems to be in order. just no sound |
| 15:03.41 | Backup | -the |
| 15:03.57 | abrotman | iceroot: and doing the -s does nothign for him, and aptitude is the recommended tool |
| 15:04.09 | Backup | /usr/lib/gnome-applets/mixer_applet2 --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet_Factory --oaf-ior-fd=19 |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | Backup: in alsamixer, it shows the correct card ? |
| 15:04.31 | craigevil | abrotman: my bad didnt see where he was using backports :) |
| 15:04.31 | Backup | abrotman: no. it does not. |
| 15:04.42 | abrotman | craigevil: then why would you pipe up? |
| 15:04.55 | abrotman | now iceroot thinks he's correct .. and he'll tell people crap like that in the futre |
| 15:05.04 | abrotman | Backup: can you switch cards ? |
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| 15:05.20 | manixor | Hello all. I have a css: http://dpaste.com/157436/, and I'm intrested in #mytable. Now if I have more then 6 th(columns), the first 6 are good arange between them, and the rest are piled in the right corner. What is wrong with my css? |
| 15:05.55 | abrotman | manixor: you want #web i think |
| 15:06.02 | Backup | abrotman: i did switch the default card to the c-media one in the gui alsamixer. but in the console alsa mixer it still shows the wrong card as active |
| 15:06.09 | Backup | abrotman: hang one one sec |
| 15:06.09 | manixor | Sorry bad channel |
| 15:06.21 | Backup | abrotman: the oss module is loaded and i got a new option |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | a new option ? |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | oh, nevermind |
| 15:06.40 | Kryll | abrotman: it is yahoo I dont have icq I would like to have a multi instant messenger that is termanl based |
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| 15:07.10 | abrotman | Kryll: that's finch |
| 15:07.17 | abrotman | or centerim (i thinkt hat's the name) |
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| 15:07.27 | superlinux | latest joke: Is Debian taking Ubuntu to a valentine's day date this year? |
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| 15:08.53 | abrotman | superlinux: please go to #debian-offtopic if you can't stop on-topic |
| 15:08.59 | Backup | abrotman: yes, i got the option to set new default device after loading the oss moudle. its called realtek alc888 (oss mixer) it does not appear to be working tho |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | Backup: i think you're going to have to take a trip to #alsa and alsa-project.org to figure out how to set the default output device |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | Backup: why doesn't your internal device work though ? |
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| 15:10.03 | Backup | the laptop fell to the floor, hasnt worked ever since |
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| 15:10.47 | abrotman | oh, that old problem |
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| 15:11.05 | hellyeah | hey |
| 15:11.25 | hellyeah | someone knows network manager program except network-manager-gnome |
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| 15:11.41 | abrotman | hellyeah: wicd is another |
| 15:11.48 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 15:11.56 | hellyeah | i try to remember but i couldnt |
| 15:11.59 | hellyeah | thanks |
| 15:12.00 | hellyeah | :D |
| 15:12.32 | crow | debian-testing squeeze installer cant update grub here.. (old grub2 from archlinux was on mbr) <-- ok after clearing mbr and trying again there was no prob for installer. |
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| 15:12.50 | iceroot | abrotman: dont worry |
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| 15:13.03 | iceroot | abrotman: i just learned something else |
| 15:13.43 | hellyeah | hey |
| 15:13.51 | hellyeah | how can i change lilo to grub |
| 15:13.55 | iceroot | abrotman: but now i know why it is not working, because backports dont have a metapackage for the kernel, so dist-upgrade is not updating the kernel |
| 15:14.05 | sep | !lilo->grub |
| 15:14.06 | hellyeah | my debian installer gives an error while installing grub |
| 15:14.19 | hellyeah | so i installed lilo |
| 15:14.25 | hellyeah | but i want to change that |
| 15:14.45 | iceroot | abrotman: correct me if i am wrong |
| 15:15.46 | hellyeah | sep, |
| 15:15.53 | hellyeah | dpkg come to me know |
| 15:15.54 | dpkg | hellyeah: are you using Windows? |
| 15:15.56 | hellyeah | now* |
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| 15:16.02 | hellyeah | i hate that |
| 15:16.03 | hellyeah | :D |
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| 15:16.10 | sep | yeah i guess he is to shy to talk in the channel :) |
| 15:16.19 | hellyeah | i wish debian has program for ipod-touch |
| 15:16.39 | sep | afk |
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| 15:17.24 | hellyeah | what do you think about grub2 |
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| 15:19.14 | Shrug | can't switch to a TTY from X, using sid |
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| 15:20.22 | amartin | hello, does anyone knows how to install on squeeze the newest gnome 2.29 ? |
| 15:20.30 | rgr | Shrug: intel graphics? |
| 15:20.30 | hellyeah | hey |
| 15:20.33 | tafkaz_73 | hallo there. i need help plz for a very strange problem. on a remote server i have perfect ssh connection as the ONLY allowed user, but when i want to su - to the root account it will not even show the password request anymore |
| 15:20.36 | hellyeah | i always took this error |
| 15:20.38 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15390 |
| 15:20.46 | hellyeah | but i didnt do any changes in the system |
| 15:20.49 | hellyeah | what is that |
| 15:20.57 | Shrug | rgr: yes |
| 15:21.14 | rgr | Shrug: totally hosed in squeeze too. I had to revert to vesa. |
| 15:21.19 | Shrug | D: |
| 15:21.22 | tafkaz_73 | ctrl+c will stop su - from doing "something", and the allowed ssh user is happy again. |
| 15:21.25 | hellyeah | i need help |
| 15:21.35 | hellyeah | i didnt understand what the error is about |
| 15:21.39 | tafkaz_73 | but of course i need root access |
| 15:21.49 | tafkaz_73 | i'm totally stuck now |
| 15:22.01 | rgr | hellyeah: hint - stop making so much noise and someone will help if they can. |
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| 15:22.23 | Shrug | rgr: I'm guessing just removing the package will force it to go to vesa? |
| 15:22.35 | hellyeah | rgr sırry |
| 15:22.36 | hellyeah | :d |
| 15:22.44 | rgr | possibly. I replace the driver in the xorg.conf. |
| 15:23.09 | rgr | hellyeah: that paste is nothing to do with the question you asked. |
| 15:23.15 | komodo | tafkaz_73: try to strace the su proces to see what is doing |
| 15:23.32 | tafkaz_73 | well. what can i say. strace is not yet installed on my deb 5 |
| 15:23.43 | hellyeah | rgr, |
| 15:23.51 | hellyeah | i just wonder mean of that error |
| 15:24.01 | hellyeah | i took that each time |
| 15:24.06 | komodo | tafkaz_73: hmm, thats bad |
| 15:24.12 | tafkaz_73 | komodo, i know! |
| 15:24.14 | hellyeah | when i make something with gui |
| 15:24.25 | tafkaz_73 | any possibility to make that command more verbose somehow |
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| 15:25.35 | paseante | how do I create a local apt repository? |
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| 15:27.47 | tafkaz_73 | funny thing is, that i can connect to my remote server perfectly as the allowed user. i assume my passwd is ok therefore |
| 15:28.04 | rgr | hellyeah: personally I have no idea. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=547539 |
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| 15:28.15 | tafkaz_73 | and su can still see if i want to switch to a non existant user |
| 15:28.25 | tafkaz_73 | su someuser |
| 15:28.25 | tafkaz_73 | Unknown id: someuser |
| 15:28.34 | orudie | how can I go about adding a new domain to postfix/dovecot ? |
| 15:28.58 | orudie | right now I have mail working under system user accounts with postfix/dovecot, I would like to change the domain name and keep the old one |
| 15:29.07 | orudie | does anyone know a good way to do this ? |
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| 15:29.44 | komodo | tafkaz_73: do you have sudo allowed ? try this to install strace |
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| 15:30.09 | tafkaz_73 | komodo, as debian doesnt install nor strace nor sudo as default... |
| 15:30.12 | tafkaz_73 | sorry. |
| 15:30.19 | tafkaz_73 | i know its odd |
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| 15:32.26 | komodo | tafkaz_73: sorry, no idea |
| 15:32.31 | tafkaz_73 | argh |
| 15:32.48 | tafkaz_73 | thank you anyway. but there must be some possibility? |
| 15:32.50 | tafkaz_73 | anyone |
| 15:33.25 | tafkaz_73 | what strikes me, is that su - doesn't even come with some error |
| 15:33.35 | abrotman | iceroot: yes, bpo does have a metapacage |
| 15:33.40 | tafkaz_73 | it just jumps to the next line and seems to be waiting |
| 15:34.28 | komodo | tafkaz_73: and what if you wait longer, nothing ? timeoit or so ? |
| 15:34.52 | tafkaz_73 | well i will do so now, but it already is running for about 2 mins now |
| 15:34.55 | tafkaz_73 | nothing |
| 15:34.58 | Backup | abrotman: i would just like to let you know i got it working. had to create the file ~/.asounrc and define card 1 as default :) so thanks for getting me there |
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| 15:38.59 | abrotman | Backup: congratulations! |
| 15:40.02 | henry-nicolas | Hi *, I would like to get your opinions on this : I need to find a software that parses log file (real time) on a central rsyslog server, apply regex on messages and output result in an email. Do you have some recomendation ? |
| 15:41.13 | iceroot | henry-nicolas: what about logcheck? |
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| 15:41.24 | oggei | depending on what you want to accomplish, there are several solutions: imho the least complex is syslog-ng |
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| 15:42.06 | oggei | if you want to build some correlation features and stuff, there is eg. prelude ids |
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| 15:42.22 | henry-nicolas | iceroot: it looks great, do you know if the output email can be based on a template ? |
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| 15:42.44 | iceroot | henry-nicolas: i dont know, i am using just the default settings on it |
| 15:43.47 | henry-nicolas | iceroot: I'm asking because I already spent a lot of time on log2mail, tenshi and rsyslog (ommail module), none of them being usable :( |
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| 15:52.58 | henry-nicolas | iceroot: it looks like logcheck run as a crontask, is it possible to use it as a deamon ? I want some kind of real time monitoring |
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| 15:54.18 | tafkaz_73 | i now waited about 20 minutes |
| 15:54.26 | tafkaz_73 | it'll just not do anything |
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| 15:55.29 | bolt | what can i do when pushing backspace in vim only makes ^? be typed on the line? ctrl+h works as expected |
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| 15:56.22 | karlpinc | henry-nicolas: You might look at swatch. |
| 15:56.44 | bolt | this is on a remote box i'm logging on to with ssh. i have no idea what distro it runs. it works fine in vim locally |
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| 15:57.15 | mike-burns | bolt: Since it's a remote box we can't help you much, but look into $TERM. |
| 15:57.26 | karlpinc | bolt: Your $TERM env variable is not set right, or something like that. |
| 15:57.43 | bolt | karlpinc: it keeps $TERM from my local box. it's set to rxvt |
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| 15:58.32 | iceroot | henry-nicolas: just cron if i am correct |
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| 15:58.46 | karlpinc | bolt: Perhaps the termcap file on the remote box does not know about rxvt. Rxvt is probably vt102 capable, you might want to look into setting it that way locally and setting $TERM on the remote side. Or some such. |
| 15:58.54 | Mead | how do I make wget only follow urls by pattern |
| 15:59.07 | Mead | with -A doesn't help, it goes other places too |
| 15:59.11 | iceroot | henry-nicolas: i am using it with cron, i would die if it is sedning a mail for every entry (i am checking postfix as well) |
| 15:59.17 | henry-nicolas | karlpinc: I still have to investigate that soft but it looks better for my need |
| 15:59.53 | henry-nicolas | iceroot: Yep, in that scope, that sure. I'm mainly monitoring network issues with that |
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| 16:00.11 | iceroot | henry-nicolas: ah ok, then maybe its not perfect for you |
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| 16:01.07 | henry-nicolas | iceroot: swatch looks better for that, I still need to see how flexible is it conf file. We previously used LooperNG but the projet looks dead and isn't in Debian |
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| 16:01.34 | tafkaz_73 | is there any alternative to strace ,that is installed by debian by default? |
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| 16:04.09 | karlpinc | tafkaz_73: What problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 16:04.36 | tafkaz_73 | well a very odd one obviously. my su doesnt do anything anymore |
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| 16:04.55 | tafkaz_73 | i can login to a remote server with the only allowed user |
| 16:04.59 | tafkaz_73 | with ssh |
| 16:05.21 | tafkaz_73 | but a su - will not work anymore now. it just jumps to the next line and sleeps- |
| 16:05.27 | tafkaz_73 | or seems to sleep |
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| 16:05.44 | TomyUni | hi |
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| 16:05.48 | tafkaz_73 | no passwort query nothing |
| 16:05.51 | broSand | Hola |
| 16:06.21 | broSand | hey, I'm having a problem with adding a user to a group. Anyone seen problems in this area lately? |
| 16:06.32 | tafkaz_73 | ctrl+c stops the action and i can do everything my user is allowed to do (which obviously isn't very much) |
| 16:06.43 | TomyUni | the update from network-manager 0.7.2-2 to 0.7.999-2 killed my wifi |
| 16:06.54 | TomyUni | how do i either fix it or revert to 0.7.2-2? |
| 16:06.55 | ScottG489 | What is a to search with aptitude so that it will show me packages that i explicitly installed? `aptitude search '!~M~i'` works pretty well except that it shows packages that were installed from the base install. |
| 16:06.56 | karlpinc | broSand: Did the user logout and re-login? |
| 16:08.03 | broSand | karlpinc: well, the user started up a new terminal, but I don't think he "logged out". It's a vnc session that he connects to remotely. The VNC session has been running for weeks. |
| 16:08.06 | karlpinc | ScottG489: It does not keep track of what was initially installed. Or maybe it does in the install log so you'd have to take that list and the output of your aptitude command and use the join command. |
| 16:08.07 | tafkaz_73 | karlpinc, the problem is that neither sudo nor strace are installed, and i dont know how install them |
| 16:08.12 | tafkaz_73 | without being root |
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| 16:08.49 | dlynes_laptop | Is there somewhere I can get a more up to date version of autoconf (2.53) for debian lenny? The one that ships with it is 2.13 which doesn't even work with the KDEStudio that comes with Debian |
| 16:08.55 | karlpinc | tafkaz_73: Looks like a problem. Maybe in authentication. But you're stuck. I suggest leaving it alone for a long time and see if you don't eventually get a prompt. |
| 16:09.05 | tafkaz_73 | ok |
| 16:09.09 | karlpinc | dlynes_laptop: backports.org? |
| 16:09.14 | tafkaz_73 | ell that is exactly what i thought |
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| 16:09.26 | dlynes_laptop | karlpinc, thanks |
| 16:09.37 | tafkaz_73 | karlpinc, thanks for now. |
| 16:09.39 | Kryll | I am still having problems installing centerim and finch the dependancies are not met and I cant install thos e either |
| 16:09.41 | karlpinc | broSand: Group membership is set on login from the system files. That's just the way it is. |
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| 16:10.38 | Kryll | how do I do a distibution upgrade |
| 16:10.46 | ScottG489 | karlpinc: Does i keep track of install date-times? if so i could just exclude packages installed before a certain time. |
| 16:11.10 | TomyUni | Updating the "network-manager" package from 0.7.2-2 to 0.7.999-2 killed my wifi. how do i either fix it or revert to 0.7.2-2? |
| 16:11.26 | karlpinc | Kryll: You read the release notes at debian.org. |
| 16:11.26 | broSand | karlpinc: Ah, okay. Some progress there. I restarted the vnc session. Now I see "id: cannot find name for group ID 50". Puts me on the right track though. Thanks. |
| 16:11.38 | broSand | cheers |
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| 16:11.57 | karlpinc | ScottG489: I don't know. |
| 16:12.17 | karlpinc | ScottG489: What problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 16:12.44 | karlpinc | !tell ScottG489 about aptitude clone |
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| 16:13.06 | Kryll | karlpinc: no i havnt |
| 16:13.23 | ScottG489 | karlpinc: just trying to keep track of what packages i have installed. Sometimes i install packages to try them out and then forget about them |
| 16:14.01 | tafkaz_73 | dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 16:14.02 | dpkg | ii | grep packagename 3.1-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:14.20 | tafkaz_73 | ScottG489, dpkg -l | grep packagenam |
| 16:14.27 | tafkaz_73 | e.g |
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| 16:14.56 | karlpinc | Kryll: The release notes say how to do it. Different notes depending on what release you're currently running. I recommend following them to avoid problems. It always helps to read the instructions. :) |
| 16:15.02 | ScottG489 | tafkaz_73: no, i am saying i install packages then forget about them |
| 16:15.29 | tafkaz_73 | well, you said you want to know whick packages are installed |
| 16:15.40 | ScottG489 | i just want a list of packages i have installed |
| 16:15.43 | tafkaz_73 | then do a dpkg -l, |
| 16:16.00 | tafkaz_73 | its huge though |
| 16:16.16 | ScottG489 | tafkaz_73: yes and that commmand infers i am looking for 1 specific package and i know its name |
| 16:16.26 | tafkaz_73 | nooooo |
| 16:16.37 | tafkaz_73 | just the | grep packagename thingie |
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| 16:16.52 | tafkaz_73 | if you do a hdpkg -l it'll show you everything |
| 16:17.01 | tafkaz_73 | maybe pipe it to some textfile |
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| 16:17.19 | ScottG489 | Does aptitude keep track of package install date-times, tafkaz_73? |
| 16:17.23 | Kryll | karlpinc: ok I am doing so right now |
| 16:17.24 | smacnay | tafkaz_73, you could also just run 'aptitude' and go through the sections and delete what you know you haven't run - just make sure you run a removal command with '-s' so you can make sure you don't remove something that is depended upon by other packagesd you need |
| 16:17.27 | TomyUni | how do i downgrade a package? |
| 16:17.33 | tafkaz_73 | like dpkg -l > /tmp/textfile |
| 16:18.01 | smacnay | tafkaz_73, like 'aptitude -s remove packagename' |
| 16:18.01 | tafkaz_73 | smacnay, clearly but o thought he wanted to see a list |
| 16:18.19 | smacnay | tafkaz_73, sorry - I meant that for ScottG489 |
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| 16:18.34 | karlpinc | TomyUni: You pretty much don't. Unless you installed from backports.org or someplace else. If you're running testing, well, things break. |
| 16:18.53 | smacnay | ScottG489, I find that running deborphan and debfoster will alert me to things I have not run in some time |
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| 16:19.45 | karlpinc | ScottG489: You'll have to read up on apt, that's the core of the whole package system. |
| 16:20.02 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know how to tell logwatch not to report 404's? |
| 16:20.07 | karlpinc | ScottG489: Besides, that won't work if there are security updates, etc. |
| 16:20.43 | karlpinc | ScottG489: Better to rely on the install log. |
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| 16:24.16 | Kryll | karlpinc: apparently I have the lates version but how do I instll unmet dependancies with apt-get |
| 16:24.43 | superlinux | hi. is there a way to mix a set of pictures with a sound file? what would it be? |
| 16:25.10 | karlpinc | !tell Kryll about why aptitude |
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| 16:25.47 | karlpinc | Kryll: You should be using aptitude (or possibly apt-get) or synaptic or some such to install software. Then you won't have unmet dependencies. How is it that you have unmet dependencies? |
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| 16:26.50 | karlpinc | superlinux: The openoffice powerpoint clone? |
| 16:27.13 | Kryll | I downloded the lates .deb release that fixes connection problems to yahoo |
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| 16:27.52 | karlpinc | Kryll: Don't do that. |
| 16:28.00 | superlinux | karlpinc, i want to be able to transform it to a video |
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| 16:28.42 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 16:28.58 | karlpinc | Kryll: Use volatile.debian.org instead. There's instructions on the site. |
| 16:29.00 | lolufail | how to I get exim4 to try failed outgoing messages again? |
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| 16:30.37 | lolufail | and are those failed messages @ /var/spool/exim4/db/retry? it's 43MB big |
| 16:31.36 | Kryll | karlpinc: ok will do |
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| 16:39.10 | Init_ | hi all |
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| 16:39.31 | tafkaz_73 | could i install strace locally as the regular user maybe? |
| 16:39.39 | Init_ | does somebody can help me ? I have installed Debian and ma graphic's card make me problems http://debian-facile.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2300 |
| 16:40.30 | Init_ | so in english, My X runs, but my driver for ATI's card, fail, it too slow |
| 16:40.35 | karlpinc | tafkaz_73: That sounds plausable. |
| 16:40.55 | Init_ | I have try radeon radeonhd vesa ati but it's same |
| 16:40.56 | tafkaz_73 | if that would be possible it could help |
| 16:41.08 | tafkaz_73 | but no idea how, you maybe? |
| 16:41.21 | Init_ | me ? |
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| 16:41.57 | karlpinc | Init_: Someone should be able to help. If you don't get an answer right away ask again after a while. |
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| 16:42.12 | tafkaz_73 | Init_, talking to karlpinc, sorry |
| 16:42.24 | tafkaz_73 | karlpinc, wget strace_4.5.17+cvs080723-2_amd64.deb |
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| 16:42.42 | Init_ | np tafkaz_73 |
| 16:42.45 | tafkaz_73 | what could i do to unpack it somwhere local and |
| 16:42.47 | Init_ | ok karlpinc |
| 16:42.50 | tafkaz_73 | starce su - |
| 16:42.58 | karlpinc | tafkaz_73: You could rebuild it staticlly, so all libraries are included and then copy it to the remote box. That _might_ work. I don't know enough about it. |
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| 16:46.16 | karlpinc | Init_: You could start by pasteing the output of "lspci -nn". And your X log in /var/log/X.log. You know about pastebin? |
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| 16:46.38 | Init_ | yes I know pastebin |
| 16:46.44 | Init_ | Ok I do wait please karlpinc |
| 16:47.23 | karlpinc | Init_: I'm clueless. But somebody will need that to help you. |
| 16:47.41 | Init_ | karlpinc: my lscpi commands : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/176683/ |
| 16:47.43 | karlpinc | !tell Init_ about pastebinit |
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| 16:49.20 | Init_ | so thx karlpinc I can paste in firefox |
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| 16:50.13 | karlpinc | Init_: pastebinit is very useful for pasting entire logs. |
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| 16:50.23 | Init_ | karlpinc: it is my log http://paste.pocoo.org/show/176685/ |
| 16:50.31 | Selveste1_ | Hey there... I one old install and 2 new installs of debian lenny (the to new one, is with all updates), and after installing slapd + libnss-ldap and set the UNIX system to use LDAP to auth against, I rebooted to see that everything is coming up the right way, and now all systems just hangs after "INIT: version 2.86 booting" I can't do anything, but the hw is not dead, caus I can hit ctrl... |
| 16:50.31 | tafkaz_73 | karlpinc, |
| 16:50.32 | Selveste1_ | ...and the screen comes back on. one of the servers have bin hanging in more then 40 min now, and i doubt its coming any longer |
| 16:50.37 | tafkaz_73 | i think i have something |
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| 16:51.00 | Init_ | oh maybe karlpinc thx for suggestion but I don't want know |
| 16:51.04 | Init_ | now* |
| 16:51.23 | tafkaz_73 | i configured an made the source package of strace, and now i have a strace bin that seems to work |
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| 16:52.37 | debianite | I'm terribly sorry! |
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| 16:53.11 | karlpinc | Init_: One thing to try is installing an newer kernel from backports.org. That may help. Or not. |
| 16:53.23 | Init_ | nower ? |
| 16:53.25 | Init_ | newer ? |
| 16:53.28 | debianite | please don't bane me! |
| 16:53.31 | Init_ | I have 2.6.32 no ? |
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| 16:54.28 | karlpinc | Init_: What version of debian? I'm running lenny (stable) 2.6.26. |
| 16:54.56 | karlpinc | Init_: Oh yes. I saw you're running sid. (That breaks, you know.) |
| 16:55.36 | karlpinc | Init_: You can run lenny and get (some) newer stuff from backports.org. Like newer kernels to support newer hardware. |
| 16:55.36 | debianite | abrotman: I'm very sorry, I was playing with irssi and I dont really know what I did, sorry! |
| 16:56.07 | Init_ | I will see |
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| 16:57.40 | karlpinc | !ops osxx is asking for traffic to a video |
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| 16:57.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karlpinc complains about: osxx is asking for traffic to a video |
| 16:57.43 | debianite | abrotman: I'm terribly sorry! |
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| 16:58.18 | Threepwood | Hello |
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| 17:00.15 | tafkaz_73 | ok please help me if you can. this is the strace output |
| 17:00.17 | tafkaz_73 | http://pastebin.com/d9205891 |
| 17:00.37 | tafkaz_73 | at the end i hit ctlr + c |
| 17:01.17 | Threepwood | I have a problem with my laptops internal WLAN Chipset; it's a AR242X, running with module ath5k; shouldn't work with the 2.6.28 Kernel Lenny offered, so I installed 2.6.30 from the backports (should work according to the internetz); but it's still not working :(; no useful complaints in dmesg though |
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| 17:03.25 | Selveste1_ | do anybody have a clue on what maybe rung with my system.= |
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| 17:03.32 | Selveste1_ | *? |
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| 17:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | Threepwood: We've seen that there are chipsets that _should_ work with the internal ath5k but don't. I would suggest just compiling the module yourself. |
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| 17:07.46 | twisted` | how do I use `ftp` or `tnftp` to download all dirs and files in it |
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| 17:07.47 | twisted` | at once? |
| 17:07.57 | Threepwood | That's bad news indeed. If it isn't my fault I will try madwifi instead. |
| 17:08.08 | wols | Threepwood: use wget instead |
| 17:08.13 | wols | or ncftpget |
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| 17:08.27 | twisted` | k |
| 17:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | wget does tftp? |
| 17:09.02 | twisted` | installing ncftp |
| 17:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's probably not talking about tftp anyway |
| 17:09.10 | twisted` | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, just ftp |
| 17:09.12 | tafkaz_73 | oh please i was so happy i could manage to get strace to do something. please have look at http://pastebin.com/d9205891 and try to guess what i could do |
| 17:09.18 | jhutchins_lt | Threepwood: Madwifi is obsolete, I don't think it's still maintained. |
| 17:09.21 | twisted` | CutMeOwnThroat: but tnftp is a client I found :p |
| 17:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I missed an n |
| 17:09.34 | tafkaz_73 | just for the memory: i did a strace su |
| 17:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now you feel foolish? :) |
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| 17:10.16 | datachild | I can't seem to get Openbox working as intended. I'm currently using gnome-core and i've installed openbox as well as obconf, done a ALT-F2 and then a "openbox --replace". It seems to work when i reboot, as i get the openbox right click menu, but suddenly it just dissapears and its back to the usual gnome-setup? |
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| 17:10.51 | wols | datachild: choose another window manager in gdm |
| 17:11.01 | datachild | wols: how? |
| 17:11.49 | adb | 'sessions' ? |
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| 17:12.19 | wols | gdm has a switch/gui element for it on the login screen |
| 17:12.24 | datachild | adb: already running |
| 17:12.30 | datachild | i dont have a login screen? |
| 17:12.31 | datachild | :o |
| 17:13.09 | wols | you did, when you logged in. right? |
| 17:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | tafkaz_73, it will be educational for you reading the output |
| 17:13.27 | tafkaz_73 | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 17:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of the strace |
| 17:13.43 | datachild | wols: well, i followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75471 to some point |
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| 17:13.49 | datachild | i already had gnome-core installed tho |
| 17:13.59 | tafkaz_73 | i read the output, but i just don't know what i could do for relief |
| 17:14.12 | tafkaz_73 | and of course i didnt get to much of it |
| 17:14.13 | datachild | and i dont have any login screen, x isnt started by default. i have to run a startx for it |
| 17:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what baffles me more is, that you get an output like this |
| 17:14.23 | tafkaz_73 | of course |
| 17:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "id" answer on your machine? |
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| 17:14.36 | adb | datachild, running ubuntu ? |
| 17:14.53 | tafkaz_73 | CutMeOwnThroat, uid=1001(wartung) gid=1001(wartung) groups=1001(wartung) |
| 17:15.00 | tafkaz_73 | the users name is "wartung" |
| 17:15.01 | wols | datachild: edit your ~/.xsession then |
| 17:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, funny, I can also strace su |
| 17:15.09 | tafkaz_73 | so seems ok does it? |
| 17:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't be possible |
| 17:15.30 | tafkaz_73 | well CutMeOwnThroat the problem is that i cannot su anymore |
| 17:15.34 | datachild | wols: i dont seem to have any .xsession, lol |
| 17:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you never could... read your output |
| 17:15.41 | Hyperzid | Anyone know how to set dirty memory ratio? |
| 17:15.42 | datachild | wols: only a .xsession-error |
| 17:15.45 | tafkaz_73 | doesnt do anything, so i tried to strace it |
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| 17:15.50 | wols | datachild: I know. how about creating it? |
| 17:15.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | hint, how about you look at the last 5 lines or so |
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| 17:16.00 | tafkaz_73 | it worked 2 hours ago |
| 17:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | more specifically line 346 |
| 17:16.25 | datachild | wols: fair enough, just lieaving it blank or what? |
| 17:16.44 | adb | datachild, running ubuntu ? |
| 17:16.50 | datachild | adb: no, debian |
| 17:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so now I got a question... since when can on strace binaries that have the suid bit set |
| 17:17.12 | tafkaz_73 | well i am no expert of course, but it seems to say it wants to send mail? |
| 17:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | tafkaz_73, it says that roots shell is /bin/false - you can verify that with 'grep root /etc/passwd' |
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| 17:17.57 | tafkaz_73 | oh bugger |
| 17:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which would have been easier from the start on) |
| 17:18.12 | tafkaz_73 | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 17:18.20 | tafkaz_73 | i looked that up before |
| 17:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 17:18.42 | tafkaz_73 | that is the point |
| 17:18.55 | tafkaz_73 | it doesnt give me any errors, it justs hangs there |
| 17:19.15 | tafkaz_73 | if i su it just jumps to the next line and sleeps... |
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| 17:19.57 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: Does it do anything different if you do "su -"? |
| 17:19.58 | \amethyst | if you strace something that's setuid, it executes without setuid |
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| 17:20.15 | \amethyst | so strace su won't actually work unless you're root |
| 17:20.17 | tafkaz_73 | but the su command worked just a couple of hours ago. i reinstalled mysql, apache, postfix and stuff in the middle, but i didnt change anything specific |
| 17:20.25 | tafkaz_73 | wit the users and groups |
| 17:20.47 | tafkaz_73 | no su - is the same jhutchins_lt |
| 17:21.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, I didn't read properly, it's not executing this, but just reading |
| 17:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: Can you log into a console as root? |
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| 17:21.59 | tafkaz_73 | thats what i try to say. i only have ssh connection to the machine |
| 17:22.11 | tafkaz_73 | and "wartung" is the only allowed user |
| 17:22.35 | tafkaz_73 | normally i the swith to root or whatever with the su command which now all of a szudden doesnt work anymore |
| 17:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try using sudo? |
| 17:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "all the sudden"? |
| 17:22.51 | tafkaz_73 | sudo is not installed |
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| 17:23.13 | tafkaz_73 | sudo is not part of the standard debian installation so i havent installed it yet |
| 17:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know it isnt |
| 17:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "all the sudden" |
| 17:23.44 | tafkaz_73 | well as i said before, i reinstalled a couple of services like apache, postfix, mysql |
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| 17:23.52 | tafkaz_73 | i did this as root of course |
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| 17:24.01 | tafkaz_73 | and then i restarted the server |
| 17:24.05 | tafkaz_73 | init 6 |
| 17:24.21 | tafkaz_73 | plz dont tell me i didnt need to. i know :-D |
| 17:24.29 | tafkaz_73 | i just did so ok? :-D |
| 17:24.53 | EagleRock | erring on the side of caution isn't the worst offense, tafkaz_73 :-) |
| 17:24.54 | tafkaz_73 | and was it. i could login as wartung perfectly |
| 17:25.34 | tafkaz_73 | but no su anyomore. once again, i dont get any error message. i just dont get anything not even the password query |
| 17:26.03 | tafkaz_73 | and i can stop su's "sleep" at any time by ctrl+c'ing the thing |
| 17:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's in /etc/shells? |
| 17:26.18 | EagleRock | tafkaz_73: can you type "which su" and see where su is located? |
| 17:26.18 | tafkaz_73 | mom |
| 17:26.29 | EagleRock | it sound be in /bin/su |
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| 17:26.31 | tafkaz_73 | bin/su |
| 17:26.34 | EagleRock | hmm |
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| 17:27.03 | EagleRock | you'd have bigger problems if /bin wasn't in your $PATH |
| 17:27.07 | tafkaz_73 | /bin/bash |
| 17:27.07 | tafkaz_73 | /bin/false |
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| 17:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's it? |
| 17:27.23 | tafkaz_73 | and /SENDMAIL/ANY/SHELL/ |
| 17:27.33 | EagleRock | this probably won't work, but can you try executing su with the absolute path? |
| 17:27.36 | EagleRock | /bin/su - |
| 17:27.40 | tafkaz_73 | lets see |
| 17:27.55 | jhutchins_lt | The fact that it hangs... maybe something has munged pam? |
| 17:28.05 | tafkaz_73 | EagleRock, nope |
| 17:28.09 | tafkaz_73 | same thing |
| 17:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ain't that weird? /bin/false shouln't be in there, and wtf is /SENDMAIL/ANY/SHELL supposed to be |
| 17:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: You can get out with ctrl-c, right? |
| 17:28.31 | EagleRock | yeah, it seems to be authentication-related |
| 17:28.37 | tafkaz_73 | jhutchins_lt, i think so too, could have something to do with it |
| 17:28.43 | EagleRock | too bad we can't get local to the machine to try logging in as root |
| 17:28.44 | tafkaz_73 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how long did you wait with the strace until you interrupted? |
| 17:28.55 | tafkaz_73 | about a minute |
| 17:29.07 | tafkaz_73 | not the strace i posted |
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| 17:29.24 | tafkaz_73 | but another strace here....doesnt happen anyting after that |
| 17:29.35 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: I think your fastest recovery might be a re-install (assuming you don't have backups). |
| 17:29.52 | tafkaz_73 | jhutchins_lt, i know, that'd be very easy |
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| 17:30.03 | tafkaz_73 | if the machine would not be in the arabian emirates |
| 17:30.12 | tafkaz_73 | and i would not live in germanby |
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| 17:30.14 | tafkaz_73 | :-D |
| 17:30.26 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: How did it get Debian on it in the first place? |
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| 17:30.44 | tafkaz_73 | ohhh thats a very cool story, and longish too |
| 17:30.57 | tafkaz_73 | lets just say, i installed it here and then send it to the place |
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| 17:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | I don't see a way around this without physical access. |
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| 17:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone with local access could just boot into a shell and change whatever he wanted |
| 17:31.56 | EagleRock | yeah...is there anyone you can work with as a physical proxy? |
| 17:32.00 | tafkaz_73 | so we can forget abaut the fact that the engineer over there supposed to just plug it into the net, reinstalled the whole system with a windows 2003 and presented me with the result |
| 17:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, do you know how it's suddenly possible to strace programs with elevated privileges? |
| 17:32.21 | datachild | Bah, goodbye debian :< |
| 17:32.22 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Not a clue. |
| 17:32.26 | Stereo | tafkaz_73: you could make a fresh install in germany, rsync everything, and do a recursive diff |
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| 17:32.38 | Stereo | ah, but good luck rsyncing everything when you're not root :/ |
| 17:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm pretty sure you couldn't just a couple of years/kernels ago |
| 17:32.44 | jhutchins_lt | Stereo: That would require root access of the remote. |
| 17:32.46 | tafkaz_73 | Stereo, |
| 17:32.47 | jelly | tafkaz_73: strace su wouldn't wokr correctly anyway, since su is a setuid binary |
| 17:32.47 | tafkaz_73 | lol |
| 17:32.49 | Stereo | indeed |
| 17:33.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it did! |
| 17:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what's flattening me |
| 17:33.10 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: _correctly_ |
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| 17:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the output... |
| 17:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's even a bit scary... |
| 17:33.30 | tafkaz_73 | it seems pretty much correct if you ask me |
| 17:33.34 | tafkaz_73 | hehe |
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| 17:33.47 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: One thing I've done is to just do a HD swap. |
| 17:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... can't you read /etc/shadow by stracing su that way? |
| 17:34.04 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: Did you have to have the server sent back to reinstall after the local guy installed Windows? |
| 17:34.10 | tafkaz_73 | i guess i can ask the man there |
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| 17:34.36 | cat5 | hey, so i'm setting up 64 bit debian for the first time... |
| 17:34.48 | cat5 | in a vm… intel based |
| 17:34.58 | tafkaz_73 | well after about two weeks of work with a not very good english speaking arabian engineer we managed to reinstall a vanilla debian on it |
| 17:35.15 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody running a log file analyser for postfix? |
| 17:35.18 | tafkaz_73 | and then we took over and did the rest |
| 17:35.27 | tafkaz_73 | and it worked... |
| 17:35.38 | cat5 | i downloaded ia64, and it wouldn't boot… but amd64 does |
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| 17:35.58 | wols | ia64 is itanium. you don't have a itanium cpu |
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| 17:36.05 | wols | all x86-64 cpus are "amd64" |
| 17:36.05 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: you can't, because stracing a setuid binary works as if there's no suid bit. |
| 17:36.05 | \amethyst | cat5: ia64 is Itanium, amd64 is x86-64 |
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| 17:36.25 | tafkaz_73 | the question is, whatr could the engineer do make it work again... |
| 17:36.26 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it only works when done as root |
| 17:36.53 | \amethyst | cat5: it's called amd64 because AMD came up with it first, and Intel more or less copied their design (same reason it's i386 for both Intel and AMD 32-bit processors) |
| 17:37.00 | tafkaz_73 | other than reinstall the whole machine |
| 17:37.03 | tafkaz_73 | argh |
| 17:37.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, oh, that's what it does? Right... that kind of makes sense... |
| 17:37.05 | cat5 | ok, so there will be no compatibility with 32 bit software? |
| 17:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's interesting, though - that means su hangs as root as well as as a normal user |
| 17:37.24 | EagleRock | cat5: there is compatibility with the 32-bit libraries |
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| 17:37.51 | tafkaz_73 | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
| 17:37.57 | cat5 | ok great, thanks everyone |
| 17:38.03 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: The thing is, without knowing what went wrong, you can't be sure you've actually fixed it. |
| 17:38.03 | \amethyst | cat5: there are 32-bit library packages which will let you run some 32-bit binaries, but nowhere near all libraries are available that way, only the big ones like libc6 and gtk |
| 17:38.10 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it's never run as "normal user" |
| 17:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't see why you'd hang on reading /etc/shells, which it seems to do |
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| 17:38.26 | gernot | Hi everybody. What could be the reason that I cannot boot any Debian install CD's (netinst or full, 32 or 64bit, lenny or squeeze), but that I can boot Debian Live and any Ubuntu CD? The Debian install CD's freeze completely on the welcome screen. The MD5sums all check out OK. |
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| 17:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, you said it is when you strace it |
| 17:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't contradict yourself! |
| 17:38.50 | tafkaz_73 | you're talking riddles now. |
| 17:38.57 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but that's useless |
| 17:39.19 | jelly | tafkaz_73: if your user is member of adm group, you could be able to read /var/log/auth.log for clues |
| 17:39.21 | tafkaz_73 | jhulst, i never fixed anything |
| 17:39.30 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: You do not have a backup that is from when it was working? |
| 17:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tafkaz_73, right - you're in a room with two exits and two guards, one of which always speaks the truth, the other one..... |
| 17:39.44 | tafkaz_73 | lol |
| 17:39.53 | jelly | the other kills people that try to be smartasses |
| 17:39.56 | tafkaz_73 | /var/log/auth.log: Permission denied |
| 17:40.02 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: No, what I mean is even if you manage to get it to let you log in as root, you're still going to have to track down what went wrong and how to make sure that's the only thing that's wrong. |
| 17:40.25 | tafkaz_73 | of course jhutchins_lt but i wish i was there at least |
| 17:40.41 | jhutchins_lt | tafkaz_73: What about su - /bin/bash? |
| 17:40.53 | tafkaz_73 | Unknown id: /bin/bash |
| 17:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | he.. he.. |
| 17:41.06 | jelly | gernot: that's somewhat interesting. Have you tried the netinst images with updated kernels? /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:41.18 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh... |
| 17:41.22 | tafkaz_73 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.25 | tafkaz_73 | maybe? |
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| 17:41.47 | tafkaz_73 | same thing |
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| 17:41.59 | jhutchins_lt | Rats. |
| 17:42.07 | tafkaz_73 | yes |
| 17:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | Does /bin/bash work? |
| 17:42.16 | gernot | jelly, I haven't yet. Thank you. |
| 17:42.27 | tafkaz_73 | jup |
| 17:42.45 | jelly | blames Sendmail |
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| 17:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 17:43.36 | tafkaz_73 | at least /bin/bash prompts to a new line, but i guess thats what it would do right? |
| 17:43.50 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Do you run any logfile analyser for postfix? |
| 17:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of Debian is that anyway? |
| 17:44.08 | tafkaz_73 | mine? |
| 17:44.12 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: not a general one, no |
| 17:44.13 | tafkaz_73 | lenny |
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| 17:44.34 | tafkaz_73 | 64bit |
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| 17:44.46 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: I did run pflogsumm once to see what it does! |
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| 17:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the suid bit still set on /bin/su? |
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| 17:45.40 | tafkaz_73 | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 33K 2009-12-06 04:35 /bin/su |
| 17:46.19 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Wonder if it does a graphical output... |
| 17:46.19 | jelly | tafkaz_73: awk '$2 == "/" {print $0}' /proc/mounts ? |
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| 17:46.46 | tafkaz_73 | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 17:46.46 | tafkaz_73 | /dev/sda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered,usrquota,grpquota 0 0 |
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| 17:47.03 | jelly | seems normal |
| 17:47.15 | penguin | My video card got fried so I put in a new one, how to update the driver? |
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| 17:47.24 | tafkaz_73 | besides the fact that i normally use many more partitions... |
| 17:47.37 | tafkaz_73 | but in this case lets say i wanted to keep it simple for the guy |
| 17:47.46 | jelly | tafkaz_73: care to pastebin the output of ls -l /etc/pam.d/ and contents of su and common* files? |
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| 17:48.10 | tafkaz_73 | not really jelly....it'll all be changed later in anyway...gimme a min |
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| 17:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... only thing I can think of is someone installed a rootkit-su and borked it |
| 17:48.41 | jelly | well if you don't care, I don't care either! :-) |
| 17:48.44 | tafkaz_73 | no CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:48.50 | tafkaz_73 | give me an instant |
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| 17:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about a care-ss |
| 17:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Root is mounted read-only? |
| 17:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | no? |
| 17:50.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts with rw? |
| 17:50.19 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: you said this was lenny? why is the date on your /bin/su 2009-12-06 ? |
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| 17:50.34 | tafkaz_73 | what do i know... |
| 17:50.41 | tafkaz_73 | lenny is deb 5 is it? |
| 17:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, careless reading. |
| 17:50.48 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: it's not |
| 17:50.49 | tafkaz_73 | or did i get it wrong again |
| 17:50.51 | xperia | hello to all. i am searching the latest debian package of opie. on the package website of debian i could it not find it. can somebody help me to find this package that is not anymore in the debian repos ? |
| 17:51.00 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: yes, lenny is 5.0 |
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| 17:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well seen... didn't note the date |
| 17:51.52 | tafkaz_73 | http://pastebin.com/d6ff0a4b4 |
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| 17:53.24 | tafkaz_73 | \amethyst, which date should it be then, seems pretty reasonable to me |
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| 17:53.44 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: the lenny version is 2008-11-22 |
| 17:53.50 | tafkaz_73 | uh oh! |
| 17:54.10 | jelly | tafkaz_73: dpkg -l libc6 login |tail -2 ? |
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| 17:54.12 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: maybe november if you patched recently |
| 17:54.17 | tafkaz_73 | maybe the 64bit version has another date? |
| 17:54.39 | tafkaz_73 | ii libc6 2.7-18lenny2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:54.40 | tafkaz_73 | ii login 1:4.1.1-6+lenny1 system login tools |
| 17:55.10 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: checking the 4.1.1-6+lenny1 version |
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| 17:55.59 | Claudinux | hi all, i installed lenny on my pc, i use an internet key to connect in intenet...i installed driver and it work fine, but i can use iceweasel, xchat.etc only launching them with sudo, how can i fix this? |
| 17:56.33 | metasmv | !sudo |
| 17:56.34 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or <sudoers> |
| 17:56.38 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: hm, nm, it looks okay |
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| 17:56.43 | tafkaz_73 | puuuh |
| 17:56.53 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: 2009-12-05 here, and the difference would be time zone |
| 17:56.56 | lolufail | Claudinux: you probably started them in a root sheel, try chown -R youruser:youruser /home/youruser as root |
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| 17:57.52 | tafkaz_73 | oh man i so much wish we could fix this |
| 17:58.00 | tafkaz_73 | it was a hell to get it working |
| 17:58.19 | jhutchins_lt | What happens if you copy a working su to your user directory and execute it? |
| 17:58.31 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: it wouldn't be setuid |
| 17:58.39 | tafkaz_73 | can i do so as user? |
| 17:58.40 | tafkaz_73 | nooo |
| 17:58.54 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: Could you use tar? |
| 17:59.02 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: not as user |
| 17:59.14 | jhutchins_lt | tar wouldn't preserve the permissions? |
| 17:59.44 | tafkaz_73 | i dont think i could rm the old su in the first place |
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| 18:00.06 | tafkaz_73 | mv /bin/su /bin/su-old |
| 18:00.06 | tafkaz_73 | mv: cannot move `/bin/su' to `/bin/su-old': Permission denied |
| 18:00.08 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: tar can't create a setuid root file unless you're root |
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| 18:00.55 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: otherwise you'd be able to break into any system by untarring a patched version of su that doesn't check passwords :) |
| 18:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, it would, but it would be setuid as the user which extracted it... |
| 18:01.11 | jelly | or a setuid shell. |
| 18:01.14 | tafkaz_73 | at the moment i wish i could |
| 18:01.16 | tafkaz_73 | :-D |
| 18:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | users aren't allowed to give away files |
| 18:01.50 | penguin | Does anybody know how to update the video card? |
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| 18:01.54 | tafkaz_73 | jelly, any enlighmemnt with the pastebin? |
| 18:02.00 | penguin | video card driver rather. |
| 18:02.16 | jelly | tafkaz_73: it all looks completely vanilla |
| 18:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, I was just going to suggest you go to a shop, look at the video card displays... |
| 18:02.22 | tafkaz_73 | as i said |
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| 18:02.37 | tafkaz_73 | CutMeOwnThroat, you are some kind of a ...:-) |
| 18:02.39 | squisher | hm, anyone know if texlive 2009 is broken in sid? I can't seem to get it installed completely |
| 18:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bts? |
| 18:03.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does anyone happen to know where I might be able to find some themes for the Avant Window Navigator 0.2.6 thats found in the repos? |
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| 18:03.50 | tafkaz_73 | i told you i didnt touch the whole su thing. i added some users eventualy, maybe deleted some, but i never did anything to the root user |
| 18:04.07 | squisher | hm, nothing in the bts... |
| 18:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... best hint yet is that it hangs |
| 18:04.14 | tafkaz_73 | it looks as like the su command is not working properly |
| 18:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and weirdest |
| 18:04.24 | tafkaz_73 | yes... thats all |
| 18:04.36 | tafkaz_73 | and want to have more fun? |
| 18:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | cat /etc/shells doesn't hang, though? |
| 18:04.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you read /var/log/messages? |
| 18:04.55 | tafkaz_73 | no / no |
| 18:04.57 | jelly | tafkaz_73: does it consume cpu when it's hanging there? |
| 18:05.06 | penguin | So nobody knows how to update the video card driver? |
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| 18:05.26 | Selveste1_ | penguin: witch videocard do you have ? |
| 18:05.30 | tafkaz_73 | 2445 root 20 0 32452 1076 844 R 100 0.1 0:12.50 su |
| 18:05.33 | tafkaz_73 | ohhhh yes |
| 18:05.46 | tafkaz_73 | it takes over i'd say |
| 18:05.51 | penguin | Diamond 4870 I think |
| 18:05.54 | jelly | tafkaz_73: are there any suspicious things in dmesg / /var/log/kern.log? |
| 18:06.14 | penguin | My gui wont load |
| 18:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, so it reading /etc/shells there was coincidence |
| 18:06.22 | Selveste1_ | penguin: I was referring to ATI or Nvidia ? |
| 18:06.32 | penguin | ATI of course |
| 18:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course! |
| 18:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | there ARE no other cards out there (except the 50 other types) |
| 18:07.03 | tafkaz_73 | jelly, what should look after |
| 18:07.12 | squisher | don't you know your numbers CutMeOwnThroat ? That's clearly an ATI and not an Nvidia one :-P |
| 18:07.17 | Selveste1_ | penguin: Im a nvidia fanboy :P so that not of course ;) |
| 18:07.23 | squisher | is just joking of course :) |
| 18:07.26 | jelly | tafkaz_73: something unusual! :-) |
| 18:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, you mean from the description "how can I update a video driver // my gui won't load"? |
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| 18:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | squisher, oh, there... didn't see that :) |
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| 18:08.19 | tafkaz_73 | well looks ok to me |
| 18:08.22 | Selveste1_ | is you running x86 or x86_64 ? |
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| 18:08.51 | Selveste1_ | penguin: are you running x86 or x86_64 ? |
| 18:09.58 | tafkaz_73 | what about this strange /SENDMAIL/ANY/SHELL line in /etc/shells |
| 18:10.06 | Selveste1_ | penguin: wget -c https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-10-1-x86.x86_64.run - then "sh ./ati-driver-installer-10-1-x86.x86_64.run" |
| 18:10.21 | penguin | x86_64 |
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| 18:10.31 | jelly | tafkaz_73: well. My strace su - on a working amd64 lenny system does a close() on /etc/shells after reading it, and continues on. I'm guessing its parser of that file is buggy. |
| 18:10.33 | penguin | AMDx86_64 |
| 18:10.55 | Selveste1_ | penguin: yes, know :) get the driver, install and reboot :) |
| 18:11.24 | zoidby | hi, can someone with a lenny please nopaste the contents of /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d (?) |
| 18:11.27 | jelly | tafkaz_73: after you gain root, remove that funny line, and/or make sure there are no extraneous spaces in the file and that all lines are properly terminated |
| 18:11.28 | drith | can anyone tell me who decided the change the bulgarian layout on debian squeeze? |
| 18:11.45 | drith | or it is a gnome issue? |
| 18:11.47 | tafkaz_73 | jelly, think so to, but how to replace the file as non root |
| 18:12.08 | jelly | tafkaz_73: you can't, that's why I said "become root" |
| 18:12.13 | squisher | why is aptitude not getting this stupid texlive 2007->2009 upgrade? |
| 18:12.15 | tafkaz_73 | hehe ok i see |
| 18:12.50 | squisher | texlive-binaries says it's replacing texlive-base-bin, but aptitude thinks that texlive-common is kept at the '07 version because of texlive-base-bin... |
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| 18:14.00 | Claudinux | lolufail, it doesn't work...i retry tomorrow ...thanks |
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| 18:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, screen is a legitimate login shell. |
| 18:14.32 | Selveste1_ | penguin: dos it work? |
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| 18:15.44 | themill | squisher: pastebin? |
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| 18:16.37 | squisher | themill, http://pastebin.com/d7fa2f2d8 , thanks for having a look.... |
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| 18:17.09 | squisher | oh, I forgot, that's the output for aptitude install texlive |
| 18:17.40 | themill | squisher: I'd be assuming that an "aptitude full-upgrade" is required here |
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| 18:18.04 | squisher | themill, but the full-upgrade wants to remove a bunch of stuff... let me look at the output again |
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| 18:18.53 | squisher | themill, look at this mess: http://pastebin.com/d18ec9f43 |
| 18:19.06 | kj4 | hello- my 'testing' install needs a non-free firmware called iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode where do i get this and how do i apply it? the issue is with my intel wireless adaptor |
| 18:19.29 | squisher | themill, I still use virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686, afaik |
| 18:19.36 | tafkaz_73 | ok so this is your final word? no more we could try? |
| 18:20.07 | EagleRock | !tell kj4 about non-free sources |
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| 18:22.57 | themill | squisher: what are you upgrading from and too here? |
| 18:23.01 | JordiGH | Wyzard: So the smart tests ran all the way through (took about two hours) and no problems were found. |
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| 18:23.33 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Makes me wonder if 2.6.32 introduced changes to ext3/ext4 code. |
| 18:23.37 | squisher | themill, this system has always been sid. I was out of town for ~4weeks recently though, and I think after that the full-upgrade just wasn't happy |
| 18:23.43 | kj4 | EagleRock any url you could send me- i cant get to that msg |
| 18:24.27 | EagleRock | !non-free sources |
| 18:24.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 18:24.46 | fas3r | counntrack for netfilter is use for QOS only ? |
| 18:25.04 | squisher | apt has always been so good to me :) This is the first time in years that sid is giving me upgrade trouble |
| 18:25.05 | apt | that's too long, squisher |
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| 18:25.11 | themill | squisher: the vbox problem at least is likely to be a result of running an out-of-date kernel there. texlive2009 is still in transition with libkpathsea5. I don't know whether that's finished or not yet, but that makes some of this a bit more fun. |
| 18:25.18 | kj4 | Eagelrock THANKS! |
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| 18:25.46 | squisher | themill, I'm running 2.6.32-trunk, I thought that was the most recent |
| 18:25.48 | themill | squisher: it's quite possible that there's no solution to this without uninstalling some bits or other of texlive or libkpathsea-depending packages. |
| 18:25.51 | EagleRock | np kj4 :-) |
| 18:25.53 | JordiGH | First time? I've had tons of problems with apt. |
| 18:26.01 | JordiGH | But I like problems. :) |
| 18:26.02 | themill | squisher: your vbox modules are for 2.6.30, however |
| 18:26.25 | squisher | themill, oh, hmm, I don't use it regularly, so no idea if the 2.6.32 ones are there... |
| 18:26.30 | JordiGH | squisher: There are newer Linuxen in unstable. |
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| 18:26.51 | squisher | hm, I don't have the correct modules after all |
| 18:27.00 | squisher | JordiGH, gah, what's happening :-\ |
| 18:27.11 | squisher | maybe I should try to solve this soon before everything gets even more out of sync... |
| 18:27.32 | JordiGH | squisher: Are you using aptitude? |
| 18:27.38 | squisher | JordiGH, yeah |
| 18:27.50 | squisher | I've been running safe-upgrade successfully |
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| 18:28.16 | SparFux | Hi all. I have difficulties configuring my wireless lan. once I had it up but I am not sure about why it worked and what I have done any different. |
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| 18:29.37 | tafkaz_73 | ok guys what you think about this: |
| 18:29.39 | themill | JordiGH: you know how you said that you wouldn't bother looking for bugs to fix in squeeze until the freeze dates were set and I commented that was the wrong way of approaching it? I presume you saw the post to d-d-a from the release team. |
| 18:29.57 | tafkaz_73 | the engineer will login as root locally |
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| 18:30.02 | tafkaz_73 | then do chmod u+s /bin/bash |
| 18:30.16 | tafkaz_73 | i connect to the server and edit the /etc/shells |
| 18:30.17 | JordiGH | themill: Reading now. |
| 18:30.20 | danky23 | Hi, I had buy a 13.3" laptop, I removed win7 and I installed linux. But I have a problem with brightness hotkeys. I found that it's a bug of bios phoenix and linux kernel. How can I resolve ? |
| 18:30.24 | tafkaz_73 | then i switch the ricghts back |
| 18:30.34 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 18:30.35 | tafkaz_73 | could that do the job |
| 18:30.39 | JordiGH | They want 300 bugs before a freeze? |
| 18:30.41 | tafkaz_73 | what do you think |
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| 18:31.02 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: you might want to man bash to see what happens when EUID != UID (when it runs setuid) |
| 18:31.07 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:32.00 | \amethyst | tafkaz_73: bash probably won't work because it basically un-sus itself unless you use bash -p |
| 18:32.04 | themill | JordiGH: as I said... leaving it until the freeze is declared to even start thinking about bugs delays the freeze and makes for a longer freeze. |
| 18:32.23 | tafkaz_73 | ok...so reinstall the whole thing right? |
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| 18:32.41 | tafkaz_73 | argh! well thanks a lot you guys were terrific anyways |
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| 18:32.54 | JordiGH | themill: Well, it's a bit disheartening to try to fix bugs when more and more bugs keep pouring in or when upstream makes changes and those get repackaged... |
| 18:33.41 | themill | JordiGH: umm... that's called the development cycle |
| 18:34.01 | JordiGH | themill: But you freeze before you start bugsquashing... you don't squash bugs while new ones are creeping in... |
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| 18:34.40 | themill | JordiGH: wtf? |
| 18:34.44 | Boohbah | hello #debian ! |
| 18:34.57 | SparFux | hi |
| 18:35.04 | JordiGH | themill: Meh. |
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| 18:35.55 | Absolute0 | If an iso has been incompletely copied would it ever successfully mount using "mount -t iso9660 -o loop ..." ? My cp seemed to crash but the iso mounts successfully and cding into the mounted dir seems to work just fine. |
| 18:36.06 | themill | JordiGH: how often do you come in here whinging about bugs in squeeze/sid? About how long they've been there and why aren't they fixed yet? According to you, we shouldn't ever bother trying to fix them until some hypothetical freeze date some time in the future. |
| 18:36.08 | Absolute0 | I am thinking if i should copy again or use the existing iso |
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| 18:36.32 | JordiGH | themill: Whatever, let's change the subject. Why the sudden drop in RC bugs? |
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| 18:36.52 | Absolute0 | i'll burn and have a coaster if all goes to hell :) |
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| 18:42.15 | squisher | Absolute0, just because you can mount it and cd into it does not mean at all that it's complete |
| 18:42.25 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 18:42.28 | squisher | if you had an error copying it, you won't burn the complete image, obviously |
| 18:42.49 | squisher | if the image contains checksum files, you should consider using those to see what made it and what didn't |
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| 18:47.52 | kj4 | i did an install of testing/xfce-lxde and had no network connection- my sources.list is very broken could someone send me a sample |
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| 18:56.04 | samyboy | Hi there, I want to install Debian from USB key. I made dd from boot.img to my usb key. Computer boots fine from stick and the installer shows up (with debian image) but I see no menu. |
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| 18:56.18 | samyboy | I'm using ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
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| 19:04.04 | zoidby | would someone please tar and upload the /etc/rc* folders of a lenny, thanks. |
| 19:04.54 | oggei | ouch |
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| 19:05.43 | oggei | zoidby: are you sure you lost only those ? |
| 19:05.47 | orudie | i'm adding a new domain to the current server, not sure why i can't ping mail.newdomain.com |
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| 19:06.24 | MJD | orudie: How long since you created the necessary dns records? It could take ~5-10 minutes before the records get around. |
| 19:06.32 | zoidby | oggei: sure ;) |
| 19:06.49 | oggei | zoidby: begin producing a filelist you lost by: grep init.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list | grep -v init.d$ |
| 19:06.51 | orudie | MJD, i use zoneedit.com to manage DNS |
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| 19:07.32 | MJD | orudie: Right, but how long ago did you go to zoneedit.com and actually make the mail.newdomain.com entry? |
| 19:07.33 | oggei | i'm not sure if init.d got repaired if you simply reinstall stuff, you can try with a package |
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| 19:09.44 | zoidby | oggei: yes with purge, but that would re-install the whole system |
| 19:11.41 | oggei | no i mean install --reinstall but i see that also init.d files are treated like normal /etc conffiles, so no replacing |
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| 19:12.33 | oggei | you can also debootstrap to a temp dir and copy back init.d dir if you know what you're doing |
| 19:13.11 | vilemaxim | one use to be able to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to change the resolution. Is there another way now under lenny to avoid having to write my own xorg file? |
| 19:13.27 | orudie | MJD, can I pm you ? |
| 19:13.49 | vilemaxim | I moved to a different monitor and now X is the wrong res |
| 19:14.04 | oggei | vilemaxim: try to omit resolution stuff at all, xorg should detect via ddc |
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| 19:15.16 | vilemaxim | oggei, there is not any resolution in my xorg. am I missing something? |
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| 19:16.12 | oggei | this should be the correct way as normally monitor and gpu speaks about most ergonomical res to xorg |
| 19:16.44 | oggei | but that doesn't seems your case, paste somewhere your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:17.28 | oggei | also, which res do you expect and which one xorg choose ? |
| 19:18.08 | vilemaxim | oggei, I'm not expecting any by I figure 1024 would work. not sure what it's trying. |
| 19:19.13 | oggei | at 1024 maybe your monitor is not ddc capable, or speak it brokenly someway |
| 19:19.27 | oggei | go paste stuff |
| 19:19.59 | vilemaxim | oggei, it looks like X is trying 1600x1200 if I'm reading the x logs correctly |
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| 19:21.16 | oggei | ok try to mildly force adding : Modes "1024x768" to Section "Screen" |
| 19:21.49 | oggei | copy from http://giupino.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/il-mio-xorgconf/ |
| 19:22.12 | oggei | take section screen, copy defaultdepth xx and an entire Display stanza |
| 19:22.23 | oggei | maybe it's sufficient |
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| 19:22.59 | oggei | it's longtime i don't need to config this manually but maybe this can help |
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| 19:23.50 | oggei | like that: http://pastie.org/820573 |
| 19:24.29 | oggei | if you don't get correct res, or refresh, then you'll have to suffer a bit but i don't remember how now :P |
| 19:24.51 | oggei | (and anyway you should investigate about your monitor capabilities before spending time w/ xorg) |
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| 19:25.31 | oggei | do not paste, retype the whole as i pasted from blog that use strange chars |
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| 19:28.17 | zoidby | oggei: ok, here's the output of grep init.d /var/li...: http://ix.io/J4 |
| 19:29.14 | vilemaxim | oggei, thanks.. that worked... :-/ thanks |
| 19:29.20 | oggei | zoidby: ehm sorry, grep that output again with etc/init.d/ and |awk -F: '{print $1}' |
| 19:29.30 | oggei | so you know which packages do have a missing initd script |
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| 19:31.58 | nvz | how could I be playing multiple videos and only have one with sound? |
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| 19:32.10 | p0g0__ | first come first serve... |
| 19:32.31 | oggei | nvz: afaik debian alsa ships with dmix by default |
| 19:32.36 | nvz | I've noticed on some versions of windows you can adjust volume per application.. my current setup changing volume on one player changes on all |
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| 19:32.57 | oggei | nvz: you have to use software mixing for that |
| 19:32.59 | nvz | oggei: I am using alsa drivers.. but I have only two volumes, master and pcm |
| 19:33.29 | oggei | (exactly like on windows) |
| 19:34.00 | zoidby | oggei: ok, here it is: http://ix.io/J5 |
| 19:34.20 | nvz | oggei: do you know enough about it to point me in the right direction on enabling that? |
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| 19:34.44 | oggei | nvz: software mixing is by definition provided by single software, eg. volume slider on youtube movies |
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| 19:35.05 | oggei | so you have to explore in that direction |
| 19:35.11 | some_random | how to install all packages that begin with ^pidgin |
| 19:35.25 | nvz | oggei: well I got two movies playing atm both with gxine and they both adjust the pcm volume and not the individual application |
| 19:35.58 | oggei | zoidby: now sed 's|/var/lib/dpkg/info/||; s/\.list//'|sort|uniq :P |
| 19:36.09 | nvz | I suppose I could for my purpose change the output plugin on the ones I dont want to hear |
| 19:36.11 | oggei | then debootstrap to a temp dir and install every package you need, and after copy |
| 19:36.30 | nvz | I don't really need to "mix" I just want to play 2 or more videos but only hear one.. |
| 19:36.35 | oggei | nvz: you have to see if you change gxine behaviour and use a software mix |
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| 19:36.46 | oggei | ok but anyway that is named mixing |
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| 19:36.58 | oggei | in fact you accidentally want to hear only one but you're mixing anyway |
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| 19:37.36 | babilen | some_random: 'aptitude install "~n^pidgin"' |
| 19:37.49 | some_random | babilen: thanks! |
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| 19:38.15 | babilen | some_random: That will install all packages whose name begin with "pidgin" and not "^pidgin" but I guess that is what you want :-D |
| 19:38.32 | some_random | babilen: you got it. thank you! |
| 19:38.51 | babilen | !tall some_random -about aptitude search |
| 19:38.57 | babilen | !tell some_random -about aptitude search |
| 19:39.21 | nvz | idk I don't think this will work short of using a null output plugin, cause I have both alsa and pulseaudio on here and I am not able to change volume on different apps it just mixes em all together |
| 19:39.26 | babilen | some_random: Have a look at "Search Term Reference" - Enjoy |
| 19:39.52 | some_random | babilen: i know how to search, just didn't know the 'trick' behind getting all the packages starting with xxx installed at once |
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| 19:39.54 | some_random | thanks so much |
| 19:40.02 | some_random | i learned something newbian today :-D |
| 19:40.08 | babilen | \o/ |
| 19:40.15 | oggei | :)) |
| 19:40.31 | jhutchins_lt | anybody know how to get cron-apt to email a report? |
| 19:40.37 | babilen | likes newbian :-) |
| 19:40.41 | some_random | sorry for the caps, and you can kick me too but, DID YOU HEAR ME DEBIAN CHANNEL? i learned something! |
| 19:41.04 | some_random | runs away |
| 19:41.11 | peterrooney | some_random: then you came to the right place. |
| 19:41.22 | themill | jhutchins_lt: there's a config setting for when to email things. I normally set it to "upgrade". |
| 19:41.27 | some_random | well, usually i come here, and all the trees throw their apples at me |
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| 19:42.41 | jhutchins_lt | themill: For some reason it makes more sense today. Thanks, I guess. |
| 19:42.58 | oggei | nvz: dunno if gxine specifically allows you to do easly |
| 19:43.20 | themill | jhutchins_lt: echo "MAILON=upgrade" > /etc/cron-apt/config.d/custom |
| 19:43.47 | nvz | well I got vlc, mplayer, totem, and gxine and all I know is when I adjust gxine volume it adjusts pcm directly hence changing volume for all other apps |
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| 19:44.34 | nvz | totem seems to behave diffrerently |
| 19:44.35 | jhutchins_lt | themill: A bit obtuse, but ok, I want to do always to start with, if that gets too noisy I'll back it off. |
| 19:44.53 | nvz | I'll just set gxine to null and use totem for the one I want to hear |
| 19:45.30 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you can set this directly in /etc/cron-apt/config if you want, but I always prefer to set these things using the conf.d-style mechanism and not edit the default config file to save hassles on upgrade |
| 19:46.05 | oggei | nvz: you have to think about something that don't provide possibility cause crippled gui or bad backend, to something you have to investigate |
| 19:46.08 | themill | jhutchins_lt: and yes, the other values for this key are documented in /etc/cron-apt/config |
| 19:46.30 | oggei | gxine probably don't allow you to use software mixing easily, a couple other software you named have to be configured |
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| 19:46.49 | oggei | eg. mplayer or probably gstreamer totem |
| 19:47.03 | jhutchins_lt | themill: For some reason I didn't understand the format in the config file yesterday. Like I said, today it makes sense. Better coffee? |
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| 19:48.42 | nvz | oggei: I still like gxine for a lot of reasons but it does seem its outdated when it comes to stuff liek this.. I just set gxine to null audio output and using totem for sound.. thats good enough for me I suppose |
| 19:48.48 | themill | jhutchins_lt: must be :) |
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| 19:49.10 | nvz | oggei: my main problem with mplayer is that it seems to have absolutly no standard repeat playlist functionality |
| 19:49.34 | oggei | nvz: mplayer loop with -loop <n>, man mplayer |
| 19:49.51 | mathias__ | Hi, I am trying to build debs for linux kernel 2.6.33-rc7. I ran make-kpkg kernel_image and got the following error: http://pastebin.com/m29ef88f1 Why? |
| 19:49.54 | nvz | why the hell wouldnt they make a gui hook for that I wonder.. |
| 19:50.01 | oggei | there is gmplayer |
| 19:50.05 | oggei | (that's neat) |
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| 19:50.29 | nvz | there is no repeat anywhere in gmplayer |
| 19:50.34 | nvz | thats what I'm getting at |
| 19:50.51 | oggei | ah ok, dunno, i'm more wmii mocp and cli stuff based :P |
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| 19:51.01 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:51.09 | nvz | once I have the gui up and am changing playlists I have no way to set loop except when I run it.. |
| 19:51.13 | gyyrog | Where would be a good place to go for help with tcpdump? |
| 19:51.29 | nvz | so I basically have to decide if I wanna loop or not at runtime and cant change it |
| 19:51.37 | nvz | without restarting |
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| 19:52.15 | nvz | anywho.. thanks for the info.. seems you are right.. mixing is on by default, my default player gxine just doesnt work properly |
| 19:52.28 | SPF | gyyrog: google |
| 19:52.51 | oggei | nvz: if you want to make couple steps beyond investigate jackd and company |
| 19:52.59 | nvz | I like having options but I wish any one of these f'n players would do everything i need it to |
| 19:53.02 | gyyrog | yeah, I have tried that. I am having a specific syntax problem |
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| 19:53.16 | nvz | this is why I have em all installed, cause they all do one specific thing others wont |
| 19:53.19 | oggei | something like jackd, qjackctl, jamin, and other stuff |
| 19:53.29 | SPF | gyyrog: just ask, maybe someone is able to help |
| 19:53.44 | oggei | if you like music things you'll be amazed |
| 19:53.57 | nvz | I've not messed with jackd yet |
| 19:54.11 | oggei | jackd 2 will be smp also, ouh yeah |
| 19:54.23 | nvz | main problem I have with these new frameworks like hal, jackd..etc are that I use lots of old apps that arent aware of them |
| 19:54.32 | oggei | realtime questions is still very ymmv but worth trying |
| 19:54.36 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: Did you read that howto I linked to you earlier? |
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| 19:54.59 | oggei | nvz: you can use alsa over jackd over alsa, eh |
| 19:55.11 | oggei | or oss wrapper to alsa or jackd |
| 19:55.23 | nvz | hah.. sounds like a complex workaround I'll read up on it at some point |
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| 19:55.35 | oggei | modern things tends to be happily stackable |
| 19:55.41 | nvz | true |
| 19:55.52 | nvz | if you take the time to read the docs.. |
| 19:56.11 | oggei | oh, one should ever have time to do <g> |
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| 19:56.44 | nvz | usually dont when I'm atually trying to do something.. but I often sit around not doing things with plenty of time for research |
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| 19:56.47 | stefy | hello, i just installed a debian lenny and i want to install an web downloaded deb file (i.e. skype). is there a way to auto-download dependencies using command line dpkg -i? i didn't find any information on the man page. thank you for your attention |
| 19:56.56 | oggei | i worked a bit on debian multimedia stuff in barcelona, once upon a time, there is people that produce pro stuff with linux now |
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| 19:57.30 | oggei | i would like to produce a blend porting back studio64 stuff to pure debian, sigh |
| 19:57.41 | oggei | but as you said, no time for study |
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| 19:58.12 | oggei | (also mingo should care about -rt problems) |
| 19:58.46 | smacnay | stefy, running 'dpkg -i package.deb' should find needed dependencies. |
| 19:59.14 | oggei | smacnay: no he will not |
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| 19:59.20 | smacnay | stefy, watch for errors and, when in doubt, don't install. |
| 19:59.28 | smacnay | ah, I am incorrect, then - sorry. |
| 19:59.30 | oggei | but after a (broken) dpkg -i step, you can apt-get -f install |
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| 19:59.46 | smacnay | ah |
| 19:59.48 | smacnay | thanks |
| 19:59.49 | RichiH | stefy: apt-get install -f will fix what dpkg -i 'broke' |
| 19:59.50 | mathias__ | stefy: apt-get install -f should do it |
| 19:59.58 | mathias__ | damn, too slow :P |
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| 20:00.05 | oggei | that's because apt caches aren't aware of something out-of-repo |
| 20:00.16 | stefy | thank you very much |
| 20:00.16 | RichiH | mathias__: seems i was too slow, as well |
| 20:00.45 | cesurasean | my ppptd isnt having internet connections, but i can now connect successfully. are my dns servers wrong, or the wins settings? im trying to use the linux box to vpn for a win7 machine. |
| 20:00.47 | mathias__ | RichiH: damn, we are not very concentrated here ^^ |
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| 20:01.08 | oggei | mathias__, RichiH, let's concentrate eh :PPP |
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| 20:01.30 | mathias__ | concentrate on this: :P I am trying to build debs for linux kernel 2.6.33-rc7. I ran make-kpkg kernel_image and got the following error: http://pastebin.com/m29ef88f1 Why? |
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| 20:02.38 | oggei | it's quite strange, make-kpkg should cope with simply version affairs by himself |
| 20:02.48 | oggei | try to clean and retry |
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| 20:03.10 | babilen | mathias__: Had a look at include/linux/version.h ? Does it match the version? |
| 20:03.15 | oggei | also please note that kernelpackage support for newer kernels tends to be problematic, at least it was used to be |
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| 20:03.56 | oggei | afaik srivasta do an extensively rewrite but maybe there are some problem again |
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| 20:09.08 | mathias__ | babilen: there is no such file |
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| 20:12.27 | squisher | mathias__, you probably don't have the complete kernel sources in that case |
| 20:12.56 | mathias__ | I downloaded the tar.bz2 from kernel.org so I guess I have the complete source right? |
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| 20:13.17 | benklop | hey guys, just did an aptitude upgrade on squeeze, and my keyboard no longer works in X. looks like there are a few relevant bugs, but I have tried the solutions mentioned there to no avail. any ideas? |
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| 20:13.33 | squisher | mathias__, you should yes, but afaik that file should exist |
| 20:13.45 | benklop | ps2 keyboard |
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| 20:14.24 | benklop | i don't seem to get anything when I cat /dev/input/event* and smash on the keys either.. |
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| 20:14.57 | mathias__ | squisher: ahh sry, my fault ... here it is: http://pastebin.com/m4dbe2feb |
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| 20:18.27 | squisher | mathias__, hm, I don't know then, sorry. I do wonder why make-kpkg didn't print you the version number when it complained. It seems to have trouble parsing it, but I don't know why. Check the bugs? |
| 20:18.59 | manuel_ | hi guys |
| 20:19.15 | benklop | i CAN cat /dev/input/js* and get what I expect |
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| 20:19.47 | manuel_ | i just do my first python program (sokoban clone) and i have some trouble with level read in from file |
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| 20:20.02 | aaron_ | hey i have a question how do i load a module automatic? |
| 20:20.04 | aaron_ | on start up? |
| 20:20.10 | manuel_ | benklop, you can cat but you will not get what you expect |
| 20:20.11 | benklop | so why not /dev/input/event0 (which is supposed to be the keyboard) |
| 20:20.12 | mathias__ | aaron_: /etc/modules |
| 20:20.22 | aaron_ | thanks |
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| 20:20.47 | manuel_ | benklop, if you have a laptop it can be another dev as well |
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| 20:21.33 | manuel_ | my problem with the levelread is that i create the list with the levels but in lev1 are the same data as in lev2 |
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| 20:22.13 | manuel_ | so they are not seperated and lev1 has all data including lev1 |
| 20:22.17 | Ilie | how unstable in testing ? I currently installed 5.0 but I have a problem with the old packages, should I upgrade to testing or sid ? |
| 20:22.18 | manuel_ | http://pastebin.com/d4649c612 |
| 20:22.24 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:22.33 | manuel_ | Ilie, do you have ati card? |
| 20:22.36 | manuel_ | hi |
| 20:22.36 | dondelelcaro | Ilie: if you need to upgrade a specific package, just upgrade that package. |
| 20:22.43 | dondelelcaro | Ilie: you can do that using backports, for example |
| 20:22.45 | Ilie | yes manuel_ |
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| 20:23.17 | Ilie | the support for my card was dropped, I have a dell inspiron 1501 (it has a few years), why do you ask that ? |
| 20:23.19 | manuel_ | Ilie, dont upgrade fglrx iis not in testing anymore so no 3D!!! |
| 20:23.41 | squisher | manuel_, why are you asking this here? I'd recommend to ask in #python |
| 20:23.41 | Ilie | ok, thanks for the tips |
| 20:23.48 | manuel_ | Ilie, so maybe the open source driver will do |
| 20:24.05 | manuel_ | squisher, i can get into python |
| 20:24.05 | benklop | manuel_ I just want to get anything at all, i dont care what. I just want to verify that my keyboard is sending me anythng.. |
| 20:24.31 | squisher | manuel_, you mean can't? You probably have to register your nick |
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| 20:24.39 | Ilie | I also think I scrambled my sources.list, where can I get the original sources.list ? |
| 20:24.44 | benklop | manuel_: i have verified (from /sys) that event0 is the correct one |
| 20:25.02 | manuel_ | squisher, my nic is already registered with freenode |
| 20:25.32 | manuel_ | benklop, wait just search some pice of code ... |
| 20:25.36 | squisher | manuel_, did they ban you or what? Anyway, this is not the right channel to ask programming questions, sorry |
| 20:26.02 | dondelelcaro | Ilie: there isn't really one.you /msg dpkg aptsources.list |
| 20:26.15 | dondelelcaro | err, /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 20:26.32 | manuel_ | squisher, i was never in python before i get #python :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 20:26.52 | Ilie | <dpkg> KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface., Ilie |
| 20:26.57 | manuel_ | benklop, od -tx1 /dev/event0 should give you some output |
| 20:27.00 | SchleimKeim | you need to register your nickname manuel_ |
| 20:27.08 | squisher | manuel_, so your nick is registered, but you're not using it apparently. Maybe you're signed in from another machine? |
| 20:27.08 | SchleimKeim | i think |
| 20:27.19 | manuel_ | SchleimKeim, i am registerred |
| 20:27.34 | manuel_ | squisher, no it is the same (laptop) |
| 20:27.46 | SchleimKeim | with the nick manuel_? the "_" looks like a nick that is used if your registered nick is already in use |
| 20:28.01 | standoo | why my computes in the adhoc network cant see each other? |
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| 20:28.17 | benklop | manuel_: and yet that gives me nothing (corrected to /dev/input/event0) |
| 20:28.44 | manuel_ | benklop, wow thats strange should be changing if you type something |
| 20:28.45 | mathias__ | I am trying with torvalds git repository now - hopefully this works ... |
| 20:29.03 | linelevel | hi guys. i'm a newbie but trying to learn. i download php5 with `apt-get source php5`, then I cd into the source directory and `./configure` `make |
| 20:29.06 | manuel_ | SchleimKeim, how can i check if my reg nic is used? |
| 20:29.24 | linelevel | ` all that seems alright, but then it fails with a bunch of (what looks like) compiler errors when I do `make test` |
| 20:29.26 | babilen | manuel_: You might want to read PEP 8 |
| 20:29.28 | SchleimKeim | just try /nick manuel |
| 20:29.31 | oggei | linelevel: if you want to produce a debian package, there is an entire different stack |
| 20:29.40 | SchleimKeim | then youll get a message if its already in use |
| 20:29.40 | manuel_ | linelevel, checkinstall or make install |
| 20:29.45 | oggei | google for debian maint-guide and stuff |
| 20:29.58 | oggei | manuel_: no |
| 20:30.00 | babilen | linelevel: Why do you want to compile the package yourself? |
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| 20:30.04 | linelevel | oggei, can you explain? |
| 20:30.24 | benklop | manuel_: it works for the joystick.. |
| 20:30.31 | oggei | linelevel: all the configure and make stuff are wrapped by debian specific tools that do expected things for you |
| 20:30.35 | linelevel | babilen, well originally i wanted to compile with an extension that isn't included in the default, but that failed so i tried compiling without changing the config and that failed too. |
| 20:30.43 | benklop | manuel_: havnt got a mouse on here |
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| 20:30.51 | linelevel | oggei, well i also tried `apt-get -b source php5` and that also failed. |
| 20:30.51 | benklop | its a htpc runnig mythtv |
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| 20:31.17 | oggei | you have either to provide more details, and think debian |
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| 20:32.16 | manuel__ | benklop, then the keyboard is not working i guess |
| 20:32.24 | babilen | linelevel: If you still want to compile the package yourself '/msg dpkg recompile package' - You will need to know about debian/rules to adapt the configuration to your needs. '/msg dpkg debian/rules' |
| 20:32.48 | linelevel | oggei babilen , i was following the instructions here: http://jheslop.com/2007/10/18/adding-fdftk-to-php-under-debian/ |
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| 20:32.52 | thepeople | hello, I am wondering what powers packages.debian.org |
| 20:32.57 | babilen | linelevel: Can you paste the error please? Have you installed the package 'build-essential' ? |
| 20:33.05 | linelevel | babilen, that's what i was doing but it failed, so i tried compiling without modifying debian/rules and that failed too |
| 20:33.10 | AimHere | packages.debian.org runs on Windows ME |
| 20:33.21 | babilen | linelevel: Paste the error please |
| 20:33.28 | thepeople | AimHere: can't be it is currently running :-P |
| 20:33.36 | AimHere | Heh |
| 20:34.07 | squisher | linelevel, did you run apt-get build-dep php5? |
| 20:34.12 | thepeople | to clarify some, what software powers packages.debian.org |
| 20:34.26 | linelevel | babilen, I'll have to recompile with `|grep -i error` to get the error. All I saw was something like "failed w/ 1 error" at the end of a long compilation process |
| 20:34.27 | squisher | thepeople, debian X-) |
| 20:34.28 | linelevel | squisher, sure did |
| 20:34.45 | thepeople | squisher: appears I can't win |
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| 20:35.04 | babilen | linelevel: Have you installed the build dependencies? |
| 20:35.10 | squisher | thepeople, look at apt-file if you want to search package contents locally |
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| 20:35.28 | babilen | linelevel: Ah, squisher already asked that :-) |
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| 20:35.48 | thepeople | squisher: I am wondering because I am looking at doing the same type of site for openwrt |
| 20:36.05 | thepeople | squisher: so apt-file doesn't do much good :-P |
| 20:36.10 | benklop | manuel__: no, it is - on the command line I can type and everything is fine, but I still can't cet any output from that command or any other... |
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| 20:36.37 | squisher | thepeople, my guess is that knowing what exactly powers it will also do you no good, but I don't know the details of it |
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| 20:37.15 | benklop | manuel__: just to be certain i'm using the right device I am doing it by path too |
| 20:37.32 | manuel__ | benklop, do you have the rights to acces the dev? |
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| 20:37.48 | benklop | i'm logged in as root |
| 20:37.59 | babilen | linelevel: The compilation should succeed. I guess that there is not much we can do to help you. Which version of debian are you running? Are you sure that you get the source package from that version? |
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| 20:38.42 | benklop | manuel__: the strange thing is that somehow i'm getting a working keyboard at the command line. i'm not sure how that is happening at this point |
| 20:38.49 | babilen | linelevel: "there is not much we can do to help you" - without knowing the error |
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| 20:39.54 | thepeople | squisher: it may depending on how it is generated |
| 20:40.19 | linelevel | babilen, i'm running lenny. just upgraded from etch a few days ago. |
| 20:40.25 | Rezagrats | I just spent like 12 hours installing debian via netinstall... wtf is this: http://adam.pcriot.com/r/100_1386.JPG |
| 20:40.29 | squisher | thepeople, ok, sure. It'd surprise me if you couldn't find the sources for the site, but where exactly it is, I don't know. Search. |
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| 20:41.16 | linelevel | babilen, I just ran `apt-get -b source php5 |grep -i error > errors.txt` so i'll copy & paste the output of that when it finishes (might take like 20 min to compile) |
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| 20:41.37 | squisher | linelevel, usually it's better to capture the full output |
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| 20:41.41 | manuel__ | benklop, me too |
| 20:41.53 | babilen | linelevel: Alright - Just let us know, and you might want to give us the complete output |
| 20:41.54 | squisher | you can always grep later |
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| 20:42.12 | linelevel | squisher, ah ok, well i don't know how to sift through all that so i didn't think you would want to either :) |
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| 20:42.23 | thepeople | squisher: I am searching :-) |
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| 20:42.42 | benklop | manuel__: i'm going to boot to my old kernel and see if that makes a difference |
| 20:42.48 | squisher | linelevel, `apt-get -b source php5 > output; grep error output` |
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| 20:43.19 | squisher | actually, make that '>' an '>&' |
| 20:43.24 | squisher | linelevel, ^ |
| 20:43.41 | linelevel | heh true |
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| 20:44.38 | benklop | manuel__: actually it turns out that already was with my old kernel, i guess lets try the new one. |
| 20:44.52 | benklop | ok, no dice |
| 20:45.35 | benklop | what userspace components populate and make /dev/input/event* work? |
| 20:45.59 | benklop | its not the kernel, so it must be userspace |
| 20:46.24 | macrobat | Rezagrats: root (hd0,2) and root=/dev/sdb1 dont match. what is your partition layout? |
| 20:46.29 | hellyeah | i install grub package |
| 20:46.34 | squisher | benklop, udevd these days? |
| 20:46.38 | hellyeah | my bootloader lilo i want grub |
| 20:46.45 | hellyeah | this changes automatically |
| 20:46.52 | abrotman | so install grub or grub2 |
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| 20:47.04 | abrotman | hellyeah: what is your native language? |
| 20:47.19 | abrotman | !tr |
| 20:47.20 | dpkg | i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 20:47.53 | benklop | squisher: that keeps track of adding/removing device files, but since the file is there, can that be the problem? |
| 20:48.06 | hellyeah | hey |
| 20:48.11 | hellyeah | i am using debian squeeze |
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| 20:48.21 | squisher | benklop, probably not, I was just answering your question about what populates /dev |
| 20:48.36 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15403 i took when i upgrade system |
| 20:48.53 | hellyeah | how can i fix that error ? remove compiz-dev package ? |
| 20:49.16 | zoidby | oggei: debootstrap seems to be a intelligent solution but not for me (low diskspace, empty apt/cache, too many download). what do you think about: http://ix.io/J7 (just apt does not what i want ;) |
| 20:49.24 | hellyeah | abrotman, yes my native lang is turkish |
| 20:49.31 | hellyeah | but nobody answer in that channel |
| 20:49.37 | abrotman | !piav |
| 20:49.37 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
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| 20:49.57 | hellyeah | i will wait of course when i get answer |
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| 20:50.06 | babilen | hellyeah: Yes, remove the compiz-dev package or contact whoever packaged that |
| 20:50.17 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 20:50.41 | rainy-day | how to determine fs type (ext, ext2)? fstab entry says 'ext?', the system is debian 3.1 |
| 20:50.42 | jhutchins | It's fairly late in Turkey now, isn't it? |
| 20:50.45 | hellyeah | abrotman, i have to do good english sentence this is mandatory for me. Sorry for my bad english |
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| 20:51.07 | babilen | hellyeah: You could also remove compiz-core and install compiz-dev. The problem is that both packages ship the same file (/usr/share/compiz/schemas.xslt). But as I said: Contact the maintainer of the compiz-dev package |
| 20:51.10 | oggei | zoidby: ask to someone that have a bigger apt-foo as i think policy keeping config is overridable |
| 20:51.17 | squisher | rainy-day, I tihnk the output of mount should tell you |
| 20:51.38 | benklop | so the console somehow gets keyboard events, but X does not, and they don't show up in their device file in /dev/input/event0 (or any other event*). sounds to me like a module that is not loading but should or vice versa, but I don't know what module |
| 20:51.43 | benklop | any ideas? |
| 20:51.59 | rainy-day | squisher: what mount args do I need to do for that? |
| 20:52.06 | squisher | rainy-day, none |
| 20:52.13 | squisher | given the filesystem is mounted at the time |
| 20:52.22 | standoo | i ma sharing my windows vista and debian through an ad-hoc network |
| 20:52.28 | jhutchins | benklop: I believe /dev is populated by udev |
| 20:52.31 | standoo | i can access the apache server |
| 20:52.42 | standoo | but can't see each other on the network |
| 20:52.48 | standoo | what's the reason? |
| 20:52.54 | squisher | standoo, run samba? |
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| 20:53.23 | rainy-day | squisher: ok thanks |
| 20:53.26 | standoo | i'll try |
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| 20:54.16 | rainy-day | squisher: it says type 'ext?' I think it just takes it from fstab.. |
| 20:54.22 | benklop | what is the current kernel in squeeze? |
| 20:54.27 | rainy-day | I don't think 'ext?' is a valid fs! |
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| 20:55.40 | zoddan | anyone that has setup a raid with perc6 controller from Dell? |
| 20:55.58 | babilen | !anyone |
| 20:55.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:57.47 | hellyeah | my compiz mess shhit |
| 20:57.58 | zoidby | oggei: excuse me, i don't understand your last sentence (native .de) would you please express that different? |
| 20:58.31 | oggei | zoidby: the fact that install --reinstall 'ing things does not repair some /etc files is tied to debian policy |
| 20:58.42 | oggei | but i think there is a way to override this, but i don't know how |
| 20:58.51 | babilen | !tell zoidby -about confmiss |
| 20:59.07 | runa | um. my server disk is maxed out. atop says it's used 99%. now, if I order by disk usage, Sphinx Search is there, 99% of the time, but if I strace the process, I find it's just waiting for a 'open' to finish, so I'm not really sure who's using the disk. any hints? |
| 20:59.08 | mathias__ | what's the fastest way to get kernel with drbd integrated installed in debian lenny? compiling takes so long:S |
| 20:59.11 | babilen | zoidby: That assumes that you want your config files back :-) |
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| 20:59.47 | dougmencken | hi, I have a question: will my architecture be supported in at least 2 years? |
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| 21:00.12 | nooper | the dougmencken architecture? |
| 21:00.19 | dougmencken | powerpc |
| 21:00.20 | babilen | dougmencken: I would say: yes .. But that depends on you architecture ;-) |
| 21:00.39 | dougmencken | fedora just said f13 will be x86-only |
| 21:00.59 | oggei | babilen: thanks :) |
| 21:01.01 | babilen | dougmencken: fedora != debian |
| 21:01.11 | benklop | i really want my keyboard to work, and I know my wife is gonna want that too! this is annoying |
| 21:01.12 | oggei | !tell oggei -about confmiss |
| 21:01.13 | oggei | hihi |
| 21:01.31 | babilen | oggei: /msg dpkg confmiss ;-) |
| 21:01.36 | dougmencken | yes, I used debain before, and then switched to fedora, forgive me |
| 21:01.39 | oggei | :))) |
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| 21:02.11 | babilen | dougmencken: I am quite sure that ppc will be supported in 2 years |
| 21:02.13 | Init_ | TV |
| 21:02.30 | Trewas | dougmencken: it's unlikely that powerpc will be dropped in few years, many even more dead architectures are still supported |
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| 21:03.04 | dougmencken | babilen, any official info? as for fedora, look here: http://fedoraproject.org/maps/f12/ they said it's 0.3% so it will be broken (as apple with osx did) |
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| 21:03.28 | dougmencken | Trewas, cool |
| 21:03.49 | dougmencken | but powerpc is not "dead architecture" |
| 21:04.09 | Lovecraft | I was wondering why Debian doesn't have /proc/config.gz or the configs module... |
| 21:04.18 | babilen | dougmencken: Debian supports a wide range of architectures and ppc is actually on of the bigger ones among the minority architectures. I doubt that support for ppc will be dropped in the next years. |
| 21:04.35 | manuel__ | Lovecraft, i think you have to activate it in the kernel |
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| 21:04.45 | oggei | it's compiled as module afaik |
| 21:04.49 | Titan8990 | Lovecraft, it wasn't compiled with the option, you can find the config in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:04.59 | babilen | dougmencken: And many people use PowerPC based servers, workstations and laptops ... |
| 21:05.05 | Lovecraft | Yes .. its so useful, it just seems odd its not there by default. |
| 21:05.31 | Lovecraft | Titan8990: Okay .. yes, but why not? |
| 21:06.05 | Titan8990 | Lovecraft, couldn't say... /boot/config-$(uname -r) is the same information you would find in /proc/config.gz |
| 21:06.18 | Lovecraft | Thats not the point. |
| 21:06.26 | Titan8990 | Lovecraft, maybe there is a performance decrease from having to generate /proc/config.gz every boot instead of having a static file for it |
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| 21:06.38 | Titan8990 | Lovecraft, i can only speculate |
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| 21:07.22 | Lovecraft | So .. the east coasters still dinnging out? |
| 21:07.33 | Lovecraft | digging, that is. |
| 21:08.04 | Titan8990 | i imagine new england area is, here it has warmed up and starting to melt |
| 21:08.32 | mike-burns | New England didn't get any snow, and this is totally OT. |
| 21:08.56 | Lovecraft | So what? |
| 21:09.20 | babilen | !tell Lovecraft -about ot |
| 21:09.28 | Lovecraft | plffrrttlfllt |
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| 21:09.53 | oggei | little ot, let's space invaderz :P http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1022669&l=8a474698a4&id=1029355445 |
| 21:09.54 | dougmencken | <EvilBob> the small number of PPC users that we saw were not enough to balance the extra work to support PPC |
| 21:10.34 | hellyeah | why |
| 21:10.43 | hellyeah | debian repo does not have emerald package |
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| 21:11.26 | Titan8990 | hellyeah, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522935 |
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| 21:11.53 | Titan8990 | hellyeah, you can use gtk-window-decorator as a substitute |
| 21:12.07 | Trewas | dougmencken: debian does not work like that, as long as there are few people interested enough to keep architecture working (make sure packages compile, kernel and installer works, etc) debian will include it |
| 21:12.13 | Selveste1_ | penguin: have you installed the driver I send to you.? did it work.? |
| 21:12.26 | dougmencken | I can build too |
| 21:12.38 | hellyeah | Titan8990, |
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| 21:13.18 | hellyeah | i download gnome-art but i cant find good things for windows border emerald provides a chance to set your style windows border |
| 21:13.24 | hellyeah | thats why i like emerald |
| 21:13.24 | Melkor | hello, could you tell me where i have to put stardict database files |
| 21:13.52 | Titan8990 | hellyeah, so does gtk-window-decorator |
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| 21:14.09 | Titan8990 | hellyeah, but it appears its not included because no one adopted it as maintainer |
| 21:14.15 | Lovecraft | Anyway, have a good afternoon, people. |
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| 21:14.45 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 21:17.44 | b_jonas | hello |
| 21:17.45 | rainy-day | on deb 3.1, when I try # fsck / I get this: fsck: fsck.ext?: not found |
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| 21:18.23 | babilen | rainy-day: Sorry, no idea - But you *really* might want to consider upgrading to lenny |
| 21:19.08 | mathias__ | torvald's GIT doesnt work with make-kpkg either ... here the last lines of output from make_kpkg kernel_image: http://pastebin.com/m1c46dc51 |
| 21:19.13 | babilen | rainy-day: You have 4 days of security support left |
| 21:19.16 | rainy-day | babilen: it's an embedded system with some custom software and I only have ssh access to it.. upgrading would be difficult.. |
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| 21:19.27 | b_jonas | when I try to update the package database with aptitude, it sometimes fails because it resolves some hostnames of mirrors such as volatile.debian.org to ipv6 addresses (but not always, for these hosts resolve to multiple ip), and I don't have an ipv6 connection. |
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| 21:19.40 | oggei | so man gai.conf |
| 21:19.41 | b_jonas | how do I set it up so it tries to connect to ipv4 only? |
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| 21:20.01 | oggei | b_jonas: man gai.conf |
| 21:20.10 | babilen | rainy-day: pity - Ask whoever made that system to upgrade to a new version of debian. Have you tried to locate that file? |
| 21:20.34 | b_jonas | oggei: thanks |
| 21:20.52 | babilen | rainy-day: Use apt-file / packages.debian.org to search for a package that might ship with it. No idea why it's no longer there |
| 21:21.01 | babilen | rainy-day: You might also want to check for bug reports .. |
| 21:21.11 | rainy-day | babilen: ok thanks |
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| 21:21.37 | babilen | rainy-day: And you don't have to run fsck, but you can run the fsck for the filesystem you want to check directly (e.g. fsck.ext3) |
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| 21:21.50 | aaron_ | hey how come I'm getting a java error saying Error click for details |
| 21:21.53 | aaron_ | how can i fixed this? |
| 21:22.13 | Rezagrats | I just installed Debian via netinstall and i'm getting this: http://adam.pcriot.com/r/100_1386.JPG ... what do i do ? |
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| 21:22.40 | linusoleander | What is the name of the offical sun java package? |
| 21:22.47 | rainy-day | babilen: problem is I don't know what fs type it is |
| 21:22.48 | babilen | rainy-day: fsck.ext3 is in e3fsprogs for example .. |
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| 21:23.12 | cesurasean1 | http://pastebin.com/f68c381b4 |
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| 21:23.17 | aaron_ | how can i fixed this? |
| 21:23.20 | aaron_ | hey how come I'm getting a java error saying Error click for details |
| 21:23.35 | squisher | anyone here using neatx? I need a more reliable NX server than freenx, which is constantly having annoying little bugs for me |
| 21:23.43 | babilen | rainy-day: err, e2fsprogs :-) |
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| 21:24.26 | linusoleander | ANy one? |
| 21:25.09 | b_jonas | I changed the order, but that doesn't seem to help. I think it still connects to a random ip, even if the ipv4 are sorted first. |
| 21:25.11 | babilen | linusoleander: There are a bunch of packages that provide java. openjdk and sun-java6 are the most popular. Have a look at the wiki |
| 21:25.17 | Rezagrats | I just installed Debian via netinstall and i'm getting this: http://adam.pcriot.com/r/100_1386.JPG ... what do i do ? |
| 21:25.40 | jimcooncat | oh debian gods, I need a easy-to-use sendmail package with ssl support -- I have esmtp loaded and can't figure out how to use ssl! What else is there? |
| 21:25.43 | babilen | !tell linusoleander -about java |
| 21:25.49 | oggei | try grub autocompletion |
| 21:26.04 | b_jonas | but something worse might be going on here, for I seem to get "can't resolve hostname" errors as well |
| 21:26.08 | hellyeah | hey |
| 21:26.18 | hellyeah | i have one very critical question |
| 21:26.41 | hellyeah | my computer is acer aspire 5720g. My sound card hhas dolby surround ability |
| 21:27.01 | hellyeah | i wonder sound driver of debian enable it ? |
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| 21:27.46 | oggei | ok, now pose critical question :P |
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| 21:29.36 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: You know what the quickest way to answer that is? |
| 21:29.48 | oznt | hi guys, a general question about wake on lan with debian |
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| 21:30.18 | oznt | can some one help me ? I am stuck despite many readings and tries, need some advice |
| 21:30.27 | babilen | oznt: Just ask |
| 21:30.47 | hellyeah | no i dont know :d |
| 21:31.33 | tapuz | hey I wanted to know if it's possible to write to ntfs partitions ? (without using propietary kernel modules such as tuxera's) |
| 21:31.37 | oznt | well, I issues ethtool eth0 on my server, and I see "Supports wake on: umbg", wake-on:g, like all the guides say, however, I can't wake on lan the computer |
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| 21:31.48 | oznt | any idea ? |
| 21:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | hellyeah: Try it. |
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| 21:32.13 | hellyeah | how |
| 21:32.15 | hellyeah | :D |
| 21:32.18 | oggei | installing |
| 21:32.19 | oznt | could it be that even though my nic says it supports wol, i need to enable something in the BIOS ? |
| 21:32.25 | oggei | and playing avatar maybe |
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| 21:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: ntfsutils includes an ntfsmount that works R/W. |
| 21:32.46 | hellyeah | i try to watch with avatar yeah |
| 21:32.50 | oggei | yeah |
| 21:32.53 | hellyeah | i have that film yeah yeah yeah |
| 21:32.54 | hellyeah | :d |
| 21:33.03 | oggei | and did you 5:1 yeah-yeah'ed ? |
| 21:33.08 | babilen | !tell tapuz -about ntfsrw |
| 21:33.15 | linusoleander | How do I use the sun-java-6 version ? |
| 21:33.18 | tapuz | jhutchins_lt: really I didn't know, thank you. but is it safe ? are there any risks ? |
| 21:33.49 | linusoleander | Right now the system is using some kind of free open version |
| 21:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: According to everythign I know it's safe, I haven't heard of anybody having trouble since they had the big panic back ~2000. |
| 21:34.17 | babilen | tapuz: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g - I heard from many people that it worked |
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| 21:34.28 | babilen | linusoleander: openjdk? |
| 21:34.29 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: I used the old ntfs drivers for r/w and never had any trouble. |
| 21:34.48 | mathias__ | I finally resolved my kernel compilation problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561569 |
| 21:34.54 | linusoleander | babilen: Yes, how do I remove it |
| 21:34.59 | gyyrog | when awk parses a line it starts with $1 right? as opposed to $0 |
| 21:35.00 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: The real problem is that there was one or two flavors of ntfs that did have problems, and the first sign of a problem was usually a totally trashed partition, or at least trashed files. |
| 21:35.02 | mathias__ | small patch to version_vars.mk |
| 21:35.16 | zoidby | oggei/babilen: thanks for your help, i got all default links back! 1000 kisses ;) |
| 21:35.32 | oggei | zoidby: yeeah (5:1) |
| 21:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: ntfs-3g was very safe, and ntfsutils is supposedly even better. |
| 21:35.55 | tapuz | jhutchins_lt: how can I know if I have a problematic ntfs ? |
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| 21:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: Sorry, it's ntfsprogs |
| 21:36.20 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: That's just it, the newer drivers don't have problems. |
| 21:36.24 | tapuz | jhutchins_lt: oh alright. thanks |
| 21:36.34 | babilen | linusoleander: You know that openjdk *is* Sun's Java with a few proprietary things removed? And did you at least look at the wiki? |
| 21:36.45 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: The answer for the _old_ drivers is "Simple, when you try to write to the partition it will trash it". |
| 21:36.48 | babilen | linusoleander: http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun (I looked it up for you) |
| 21:37.04 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: It's always smart to have backups though, no matter what you're doing. |
| 21:37.15 | tapuz | ofcourse :) |
| 21:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: I have seen a couple of people who managed to corrupt an ntfs partition and blame it on linux. Turned out to be Windows that corrupted it. |
| 21:37.41 | babilen | linusoleander: The 'alternatives' part is what you are looking for |
| 21:37.46 | linusoleander | babilen: Yes, but the apt-get install default-jre installed the wrong version i think |
| 21:37.51 | tapuz | it's always Windows. |
| 21:38.43 | babilen | linusoleander: Install sun-java6-whatever_you_need and configure the alternatives. But you should try openjdk - It might just be what you need |
| 21:38.58 | babilen | tapuz: Use ntfs-3g |
| 21:39.09 | babilen | zoidby: :-* |
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| 21:41.39 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I thought that was deprecated. |
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| 21:42.23 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: OK - disregard that then. I haven't touched anything windows in 10 years |
| 21:42.40 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Been a while for me but I try to keep up. |
| 21:42.47 | babilen | hehe |
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| 21:43.22 | jhutchins_lt | used to specialize in "Hey, you can't do that!". |
| 21:43.45 | Rezagrats | I'm getting an 'Error 15: file not found' how do i remedy this? |
| 21:44.01 | oggei | provide file |
| 21:44.06 | jhutchins_lt | Rezagrats: Correct the grub config. |
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| 21:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | Rezagrats: You will need an alternative boot medium like a live CD. |
| 21:44.25 | oggei | grub does tab autocompletion |
| 21:44.38 | oggei | try to see if maybe perhaps you have a different image |
| 21:44.50 | Rezagrats | Jhutchins_lt, it's a fresh install... it should have installed correctly. |
| 21:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | Rezagrats: Actually, one of these guys might be able to walk you through the grub shell. |
| 21:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | Rezagrats: Oh I agree, it certainly should have. |
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| 21:46.53 | drako | You cannot alias 2 ip by dhcp, right? |
| 21:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | drako: You mean assign two IP's to the same NIC? |
| 21:47.22 | oggei | for sure, you can greet once joining an irc chan |
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| 21:47.56 | simplechat | heyyas |
| 21:48.03 | karlpinc | drako: I'm not sure why not, although you'd have to use 2 different dhcp servers or do something to frob the mac address. |
| 21:48.12 | simplechat | i want a server to cache arp responces for other computers, i'm unsure as to how to do that |
| 21:48.19 | simplechat | is there any nice caching arp proxy? |
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| 21:49.00 | drako | karlpinc: aha, the mac address it is, ill see if i can assign a MAC to an alias |
| 21:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Actually, you could just configure eth0:1 as DHCP in interfaces, that should work, though it would be trickier to lock a certain address to it. |
| 21:50.29 | drako | jhutchins_lt: no, you can not |
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| 21:51.11 | jhutchins_lt | I'm familiar with doing it statically, never tried DHCP. What happens? |
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| 21:56.48 | drako | i cannot change the mac address to an alias with hw ether, it says device is busy |
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| 21:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | drako: Yeah, you have to restart networking to do that. |
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| 21:57.33 | jhutchins_lt | drako: I believe you also have to restart to get a second alias. |
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| 21:58.06 | drako | jhutchins_lt: already tried, i think you cannot get 2 ip from a dhcp server thro the same NIC |
| 21:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | puts it on his list of things to play with some time. |
| 21:59.15 | jhutchins_lt | I suppose you could configure a static address then run dhclient eth0:1. |
| 21:59.23 | jhutchins_lt | Dunno if that would work. |
| 21:59.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm booted up into an LXDE session, I noticed some little things that seem to be missing. Such as gcalctool that gets installed with gnome. I can run it from a command line but Im wondering why its missing from the LXDE menu. Anyone happen to know if there is a reason that it would be missing or if Im just looking in the wrong place? |
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| 22:00.48 | simplechat | is there any way to get debian to cache unsolicited macs? |
| 22:00.55 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: I just goofed around with lxde. It uses linux desktop standards for it's menus. There's probably not a standard menu item packaged for everything. lxlauncher seems to present a slightly different set of choices. I don't know why. |
| 22:00.58 | tapuz | babilen: I prefer to choose not proprietary drivers. |
| 22:01.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | karlpinc: Ok thank you at least there is a logical reason. |
| 22:01.33 | babilen | tapuz: Great :-) |
| 22:01.52 | tapuz | thanks anyway. |
| 22:02.07 | simula | does anyone know of a tutorial for packaging a Qt4 qmake based project into a .deb? |
| 22:02.16 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: The menu entries are not hard to make, but you have to rtfm. |
| 22:02.48 | drako | NICs are cheap anyway.... |
| 22:03.02 | drako | jhutchins_lt: no it does not work either |
| 22:03.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | karlpinc: Whats rtfm? |
| 22:03.39 | karlpinc | simplechat: What do you mean "cache"? Every ethernet IP implimentation caches what it sees for 15 seconds.... |
| 22:03.46 | karlpinc | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about rtfm |
| 22:04.03 | drako | LinuxGuy2009: Read the "Fine" manual |
| 22:04.23 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: In this case there's a website for the linuxstandards. Maybe linuxdesktop.org? with the docs. |
| 22:04.40 | simplechat | karlpinc, there is a bug in the deb stable kernel (in this particular config) that it doesn't push arp packets correctly |
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| 22:04.51 | simplechat | they get dropped before they can make it to the xen domU |
| 22:04.55 | simplechat | this then leaves the domU's without arp |
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| 22:05.05 | simplechat | now i can directly inject arp packets into the interface, and that works |
| 22:05.11 | simplechat | so what i want to do is to set up an arp cache |
| 22:05.12 | karlpinc | simplechat: Maybe a new kernel from backports.org? |
| 22:05.21 | simplechat | karlpinc, hasn't been fixed upstream yet |
| 22:05.23 | simplechat | still an open bug |
| 22:05.40 | karlpinc | simplechat: Sounds like a job for aptitude search. |
| 22:06.28 | debianite | !tell debianite about aptitude |
| 22:06.42 | karlpinc | !tell debianite about selftell |
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| 22:07.02 | simplechat | karlpinc, there arn't any arp packages i can see |
| 22:08.15 | debianite | karlpinc: Thanks! |
| 22:08.56 | karlpinc | simplechat: :-( Might try installing debtags and using aptitude search ~Gfoo. ymmv. |
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| 22:26.37 | newsense | how can i list all packages on hold ? |
| 22:26.46 | abrotman | gyyrog: there is a #awk |
| 22:26.54 | abrotman | newsense: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:27.18 | newsense | abrotman: :) thank you, couldn't find it in any doc |
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| 22:29.32 | tapuz | what's a modern highly customizable Window Manager? (looking for something like fluxbox) |
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| 22:29.58 | tapuz | but with more control than xfce4 |
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| 22:31.40 | newsense | abrotman: not showing any packages on hold |
| 22:31.54 | newsense | abrotman: i know i am holding back a few packages due to bugs |
| 22:32.08 | abrotman | newsense: did you explicitly look for those packages ? |
| 22:32.13 | newsense | xserver-xorg is one i am sure i am holding back |
| 22:32.15 | jhutchins_lt | simplechat: There is a web site at http://www.google.com/ that I've often found useful in finding instructions for less common linux setups. |
| 22:32.23 | newsense | abrotman: no i didn't |
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| 22:33.07 | newsense | abrotman: no way to show all packages placed on hold, i am running testing and use apt-listbugs and sometimes hold a package due to a bug |
| 22:33.07 | abrotman | newsense: so what's the status of xserver-xorg ? |
| 22:33.07 | abrotman | newsense: oh wait .. aptitude might have a method |
| 22:33.22 | newsense | just don't want to forget to unhold a package when a bug is fixed is all |
| 22:33.23 | abrotman | newsense: aptitude search xserver-xorg .. what is the letter in the first column ? |
| 22:34.13 | newsense | abrotman: iHa |
| 22:34.14 | newsense | so i am guessing the H is for hold |
| 22:34.34 | newsense | err ihA |
| 22:34.37 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 22:35.02 | abrotman | newsense: aptitude search "~ahold" ? |
| 22:35.42 | abrotman | newsense: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 22:35.42 | newsense | abrotman: success :) |
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| 22:35.51 | abrotman | newsense: see .. i knew you guys kept me around for a reason :) |
| 22:35.58 | newsense | haha |
| 22:36.17 | newsense | abrotman: not sure how that "~ahold" worked but it did |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | newsense: see the URL i just pasted .. it will help you understand the search notation |
| 22:36.37 | newsense | man i forgot about a lot of packages :( |
| 22:36.51 | newsense | abrotman: great thanks, i want to know how it works as well |
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| 22:38.41 | mathias__ | hi, though drbd is supposed to be in 2.6.33, the module drbd cannot be found. What's my mistake? I compile 2.6.33-rc7 particularly for this reason ... |
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| 22:42.01 | newsense | man you can really customize your aptitude search |
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| 22:43.34 | mathias__ | crap: drbd has to be specifically enabled in .config ... 30min wasted :S |
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| 22:51.54 | jhutchins_lt | mathias__: Could be worse, I remember people taking hours to compile the kernel. |
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| 22:55.19 | cheako | Any one pipe input into expect? { sleep 1; echo user; echo passwd; echo; cat; } | expect... |
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| 23:00.15 | cheako | opps, sorry. |
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| 23:07.11 | epsilon | kantor: if nothing is working, plug an usb1 hub between |
| 23:08.10 | mathias__ | niriven: you can pass kernel args in order to increase resolution |
| 23:08.20 | mathias__ | dont have them in mind right now ... |
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| 23:08.45 | niriven | mathias__, resolution is fine, the default debian console font however drives me nuts :P |
| 23:09.31 | mathias__ | niriven: do you mean colors? |
| 23:09.39 | mathias__ | ahh font |
| 23:10.38 | niriven | mathias__, im used to a font that looks like this: |
| 23:10.41 | niriven | http://jrichards.org/images/fbdumpshot2.png |
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| 23:11.14 | mathias__ | niriven: well that normal ... nothing weird there |
| 23:11.38 | niriven | mathias__, as opposed to this: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_mips_qemu_di_boot.png |
| 23:11.49 | mathias__ | niriven: here is a hint on how to change it: http://www.thorstenstrusch.de/software/debian-linux/gut-lesbarer-font-fur-die-konsole |
| 23:11.53 | mathias__ | but in german ... |
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| 23:23.02 | tapuz | /etc/init.d/service start/stop ? |
| 23:23.10 | babilen | euryale: I would think so .. Give us some details |
| 23:23.19 | tapuz | for permanent changes I use rcconf |
| 23:23.22 | jhutchins_lt | tapuz: The one to turn them on/off by default, manage the symlinks in the runlevels. |
| 23:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | rcconf. |
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| 23:25.28 | willwh | Just to test delivery of streaming media content :) |
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| 23:27.35 | babilen | willwh: just ask |
| 23:27.53 | babilen | willwh: But if it is not related to Debian you are probably in the wrong channel |
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| 23:28.50 | willwh | babilen: I understand that; it's just a great place for a good variety of people |
| 23:28.56 | willwh | I know I'm off topic |
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| 23:30.01 | war9407 | Anyone here use linux/mdadm raid-1 configs? You can only boot a raid-1 with lilo using a 0.90 superblock correct? |
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| 23:32.10 | dutchfish | euryale, you might want to delve in the open source -ati driver that comes with the latest kernels, but that would involve debian/squeeze otherwise you bound by fglrx, you can ask the bot |
| 23:32.58 | j_laux | I had big problems getting fglrx not to f*ck up with debian/lenny |
| 23:33.05 | dutchfish | euryale, what debian version are you using? |
| 23:33.27 | j_laux | I made the dumbass mistake of just downloading and trying to build the debian driver from the proprietary package and it messed me all up, wrecked x |
| 23:33.42 | streuner | there is always VESA |
| 23:34.07 | streuner | in case nothing works |
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| 23:35.08 | euryale | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 23:35.47 | dutchfish | euryale, i gess thats lenny, however that kernel does not have open source ati support for you card |
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| 23:36.08 | xyan | can i force aptitude to download more than 2 things simultaneously, my isp limits traffic to 1mbit per connection but i can do 32? |
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| 23:36.48 | euryale | and what do you recommend? |
| 23:36.58 | dutchfish | euryale, either install tetsing (debian/squeeze) if you feel comforatble enough, or go by VESA, i would not recommend fglrx |
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| 23:37.09 | RichiH | xyan: iirc no, but you could have it print a list and build a wget list from that |
| 23:37.22 | babilen | euryale: Ask the channel. Tell us which graphic card you have. What have you tried so far? Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:37.27 | streuner | xyan: well, each of ONE mirror |
| 23:37.28 | xyan | RichiH: --print-uris yep right |
| 23:37.35 | babilen | euryale: Don't /msg people |
| 23:37.53 | euryale | ah my bad! |
| 23:38.13 | euryale | i have no idea what vesa means nor fglrx |
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| 23:39.18 | babilen | And I think that fglrx is the better option for euryale than squeeze |
| 23:40.04 | euryale | what should i do? apt-get install fglrx? |
| 23:40.42 | babilen | !tell euryale -about fglrx |
| 23:41.42 | babilen | euryale: Read the wiki page |
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| 23:42.07 | babilen | dutchfish: What is the problem with fglrx? Anythin I should be aware of (I use radeonhd without any problem) |
| 23:42.34 | euryale | oh ok thanks bro i'll give it a read |
| 23:42.49 | ranix | euryale: be prepared to spend some processing power on that |
| 23:43.10 | ranix | euryale: it generally takes me 4 to 6 hours of kludging to get working drivers for either nvidia or ati |
| 23:43.13 | dutchfish | babilen, it depends on the exact video card, i would ike to see an lspci line first |
| 23:43.25 | ranix | although I do have entire three-day weekends on record |
| 23:43.37 | ranix | and I am not new to this process |
| 23:43.59 | euryale | oh my gosh are you serious i have to go through all that for graphic acceleration? |
| 23:43.59 | xyan | 4 to 6 hours oh my! |
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| 23:44.36 | dutchfish | euryale, can you run lspci and paste just the one line of your cideo card? |
| 23:44.49 | dutchfish | s/cideo/video |
| 23:44.51 | babilen | euryale: make that "lspci -nn" |
| 23:44.56 | euryale | ok |
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| 23:45.27 | euryale | 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 200 Host Bridge [1002:5a33] (rev 01) |
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| 23:48.34 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:5a33 |
| 23:48.36 | judd | [1002:5a33] is 'Radeon Xpress 200 Host Bridge' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5a33 |
| 23:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Nice setup there. |
| 23:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | So -nn will give you the pciid _and_ the name of the chipset if known. |
| 23:50.51 | dutchfish | euryale, can you: lspci -nn | grep 0300 and paste that line please |
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| 23:51.35 | babilen | It might be that I am a little tired right now .. But that does not look like a graphic card ... :-D |
| 23:51.36 | euryale | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] [1002:5a61] |
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| 23:51.43 | jhutchins_lt | What does it mean when aptitude search shows an A ? |
| 23:51.46 | dutchfish | babilen, right |
| 23:52.16 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Automatically installed |
| 23:52.23 | euryale | i still don't get it guys u gave me a bunch of numbers what is this supposed to mean 1002:5a33? |
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| 23:53.17 | babilen | euryale: It's a unique hardware ID which we can use it to find the correct drivers/modules |
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| 23:53.37 | euryale | oh |
| 23:53.37 | dutchfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon |
| 23:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 1002:5a61 |
| 23:53.50 | judd | [1002:5a61] is 'RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5a61 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 23:55.11 | euryale | ok |
| 23:55.15 | euryale | ty all |
| 23:55.42 | jhutchins_lt | euryale: What we're doing here is looking up the drivers that match your video hardware. |
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| 23:56.25 | babilen | Is this card not supported by radeon/radeonhd? |
| 23:56.38 | jhutchins_lt | It looks like it will work with the ati-agp module, or ther may be a proprietary driver available from agp. |
| 23:56.50 | euryale | that japanese site only has report form i don't see any drivers |
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| 23:57.06 | simula | is there a debian packaging channel? |
| 23:57.42 | babilen | !tell simula -about mentors |
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| 23:57.53 | offender_ | http://www.poopreport.com/Fun/index.html |
| 23:58.32 | euryale | i have no idea if it's supported, but it's name is radeon so it must be right? |
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| 23:58.46 | simula | thanks babilen |
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| 23:59.51 | babilen | euryale: hang on |
