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| 00:00.14 | offender_ | http://www.poopreport.com/Fun/index.html |
| 00:00.14 | euryale | sure thing |
| 00:00.24 | offender_ | feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
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| 00:00.32 | offender_ | gfdg feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:00.36 | offender_ | hgfh feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:00.39 | offender_ | fdgh feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:00.40 | Zharf | how nice |
| 00:00.42 | offender_ | fdg feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:00.45 | offender_ | feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
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| 00:01.02 | pipeline | this would be offensive |
| 00:01.04 | pipeline | but the reality is |
| 00:01.07 | pipeline | this is mostly what the channel is about |
| 00:01.09 | Zharf | it's just lame |
| 00:01.18 | Zharf | how could that ever be offensive? |
| 00:01.47 | starbuck33 | hi all, i have 2 hdd's on my system and want to merge two physical directories into one sambashare so users who access the sambashare see the files like they were in 1 folder, can anybody help please? |
| 00:01.48 | offender_ | can someone help me to become a mindless automaton |
| 00:01.52 | babilen | !ops offender_ spam |
| 00:01.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: offender_ spam |
| 00:02.05 | dutchfish | euryale, i think if you stick to lenny you need to install fglrx or choose for no accelaration with VESA, what do you want? |
| 00:02.06 | offender_ | dfsgdfsgfeces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:02.08 | offender_ | can someone help me to become a mindless automaton |
| 00:02.10 | offender_ | dfsgdfsgfeces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:02.12 | offender_ | fdgfgdgfdfeces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:02.15 | offender_ | dfsgdfsgfeces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:02.17 | offender_ | fdgfgdgfdfeces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces feces |
| 00:02.21 | Zharf | that's just sad |
| 00:02.26 | starbuck33 | get a life offender |
| 00:02.30 | Zharf | fine example of what the human kind is like these days |
| 00:02.31 | amphi | and mispelt |
| 00:02.37 | euryale | LOLO |
| 00:02.44 | offender_ | i am 17 years old of palestinian boyyu |
| 00:02.45 | Zharf | majority of it anyway |
| 00:02.51 | offender_ | i am muslim man |
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| 00:02.59 | babilen | thanks |
| 00:03.07 | Zharf | wow, honestly... .fi? |
| 00:03.17 | dutchfish | euryale, i think if you stick to lenny you need to install fglrx or choose for no accelaration with VESA, what do you want? |
| 00:03.44 | euryale | i like lenny |
| 00:03.47 | Zharf | I could actually report that to dna... my previous ISP |
| 00:03.54 | Zharf | that'd be fun, wouldn't it |
| 00:04.00 | euryale | i want acceleration too |
| 00:04.05 | euryale | so fglrx |
| 00:04.36 | euryale | what is vesa? isn't that an old slot in older mother boards |
| 00:04.46 | starbuck33 | ok, i try again: i have 2 hdd's on my system and want to merge two physical directories into one sambashare so users who access the sambashare see the files like they were in 1 folder, can anybody help please? |
| 00:04.46 | Zharf | no |
| 00:05.06 | babilen | starbuck33: try #samba |
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| 00:05.08 | Zharf | VESA is a video mode |
| 00:05.21 | Zharf | well kidna |
| 00:05.24 | Zharf | something like that |
| 00:05.31 | dutchfish | euryale, you might want to read the lenny section on: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
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| 00:05.49 | starbuck33 | babilen: thx, didn't know about that channel. |
| 00:06.04 | euryale | alright i'll bookmark this and read it tomorrow, it's 2 am here kinda going to sleep ina few |
| 00:06.05 | dutchfish | euryale, there it is explained how to build the modules for it |
| 00:06.29 | euryale | thanks a lot men |
| 00:06.32 | sed` | i'm looking for a script or program that automatically converts i386 .deb packages into ia32-* amd64 packages. is there anything like it? |
| 00:06.36 | dutchfish | euryale, if you run into problems, you can always come back and ask |
| 00:06.47 | euryale | sure thing ty bb |
| 00:06.51 | dutchfish | euryale, yw |
| 00:07.00 | babilen | euryale: You might want to adapt the 'deb http://ftp.us. ...' line to match a mirror near you |
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| 00:07.18 | babilen | euryale: Basically just add "contrib non-free" in the end of the existing one |
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| 00:07.36 | euryale | on my sources list |
| 00:07.38 | euryale | u mean |
| 00:07.43 | babilen | euryale: exactly |
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| 00:08.45 | euryale | kk cya thanks again |
| 00:08.46 | sed` | euryale: VESA is a standards consortium that drafted, among other things, the PC slot you remembered, the "VESA Local Bus", found in old 486 systems. when linux folks talk about vesa nowadays, they usally mean the VESA graphics BIOS extensions which offer a very basic way to enable high resolution graphics |
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| 00:09.10 | sed` | i.e. the "VESA framebuffer mode" |
| 00:09.24 | Zharf | right |
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| 00:17.16 | darkstego | anyone know why copies to usb drives keep stalling and run very very slow? |
| 00:19.02 | dbbolton | what FS type is it |
| 00:20.17 | darkstego | fat32 |
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| 00:22.47 | darkstego | it sometimes doesn't copy anything for minutes then continues to copy for 20 seconds before freezing again for a minute. |
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| 00:24.19 | Infin1ty | darkstego, is it a flash drive? |
| 00:24.53 | abrotman | darkstego: did you look in your syslog or messages for errors ? |
| 00:24.55 | jhutchins_lt | what's the procedure for requesting a perl script be packaged for Debian? |
| 00:25.21 | abrotman | dh_make_perl ? for the CPAN stuff ? |
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| 00:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I don't know that it's in cpan. |
| 00:25.53 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I mean, I know it's just a script, but it would nice if apt could track it. |
| 00:26.08 | jhutchins_lt | http://freshmeat.net/projects/spamstats/ |
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| 00:27.21 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: you could file an RFP |
| 00:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | Although with no changes since 2005 it doesn't really need tracking. |
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| 00:28.46 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: apt-cache search mail statistic ? |
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| 00:29.23 | nervousTwitch | where is the Correct place for flashplayer.so i put it in .mozilla everything works but i notice iceweasel uses /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins (i think). |
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| 00:30.18 | jhutchins_lt | nervousTwitch: The problem is that mozilla has used a lot of different locations over the years, so you need a half-dozen folders all symlinked together. |
| 00:30.46 | jhutchins_lt | nervousTwitch: I'm pretty sure if you use the default installer it sets things up correctly. |
| 00:31.01 | jhutchins_lt | (I didn't have to mess with mine on Debian, though I have in the past) |
| 00:31.09 | nervousTwitch | im trying r45 which came out today |
| 00:31.19 | nervousTwitch | 64bit |
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| 00:31.34 | jhutchins_lt | nervousTwitch: Ah. Did you have a working copy installed before? |
| 00:31.54 | owen1 | what do i need to do when adding code to APGL lisenced code? |
| 00:32.03 | nervousTwitch | yes.. it works fine now im just wondering the correct way |
| 00:32.41 | jhutchins_lt | nervousTwitch: I would locate the actual (not symlinked) existing file and put it there, or you can look in the iceweasel config and see which folders it searches, pick one. |
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| 00:39.45 | WaterRatj | Question: If i have a debian install, and later on i decide to install it on a harder HDD, is it possible to backup(users,files,programs,...) everything to a new HDD? |
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| 00:44.59 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: What's a harder HDD? |
| 00:45.09 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 00:45.11 | WaterRatj | *larger |
| 00:45.18 | WaterRatj | din't noticed that |
| 00:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. Yes. |
| 00:45.41 | WaterRatj | k Thanks :D |
| 00:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | Very easy. Boot to a live CD, copy everything over (there are utilities like clonezilla), install the bootloader, good to go. |
| 00:45.53 | WaterRatj | cause i'm installing on a 37 gig now, but if i like it maybe on larger :D |
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| 00:45.59 | WaterRatj | Thanks |
| 00:46.17 | jhutchins_lt | The "install the bootloader" bit can be tricky, but in theory it's that simple. |
| 00:46.23 | WaterRatj | Another quesion: Yesterday i came here and i had problems installing debian cause my cdrom drive was messed up |
| 00:46.44 | WaterRatj | butnow i booted up in a other live cd distro |
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| 00:46.56 | WaterRatj | they gave me a tip on installing debian with a tool; but forgot name |
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| 00:47.56 | abrotman | debootstrap |
| 00:48.11 | jhutchins_lt | !tell WaterRatj about install guide |
| 00:48.12 | almark | Hello I'm looking for a Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-21) rt patch, and I'm not finding one on the kernel site, can I use a different patch version or where can I get one that will work |
| 00:48.33 | WaterRatj | ah tha word :D |
| 00:49.02 | abrotman | almark: doesn't exist .. you'd have to do it yourself |
| 00:49.05 | WaterRatj | jhutchins_lt: Don't think that will help me, need to install it trough debootstrap |
| 00:49.15 | almark | abrotman_ I haven't a clue how to make one |
| 00:49.26 | almark | abrotman_ lol |
| 00:49.28 | jhutchins_lt | WaterRatj: There are some alternative installation methods. |
| 00:49.34 | WaterRatj | on that page? |
| 00:49.46 | almark | abrotman_ Could you please tell where I can find into on this? |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | almark: google ? |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | i don't one either .. i don't run game servers |
| 00:49.59 | almark | abrotman_ nod.... |
| 00:50.10 | jhutchins_lt | almark: kernel.org |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | wtf stupid irc client appends an _ to the nick |
| 00:50.22 | owen1 | i want to add some code to an AGPL code. does it mean I have to publish anything i am extending? |
| 00:50.36 | almark | abrotman_ I do understand that but what rt patch am I allowed to use? |
| 00:50.39 | abrotman | owen1: WANL ? |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | almark: whatever what you want i suppose |
| 00:50.52 | owen1 | abrotman: what? |
| 00:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: Only if you publish or distribute the result. |
| 00:51.02 | abrotman | owen1: We Are Not Lawyers |
| 00:51.07 | owen1 | abrotman: (-: |
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| 00:51.39 | owen1 | jhutchins_lt: i think that even if it's internaly used, for yor organization, u have to publish it. |
| 00:51.41 | almark | abrotman_ ok thanks |
| 00:52.16 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: My understanding is that you have to provide the code to the end-user if requested, and in this case the company is the end-user so you have the code. |
| 00:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | ianal either. |
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| 00:52.54 | abrotman | owen1: based on what i'm reading, yes you have to publish it |
| 00:52.56 | owen1 | jhutchins_lt: do i have to make the code available to anyone or only if i am asked to? |
| 00:53.01 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: AGPL, not GPL |
| 00:53.05 | jhutchins_lt | However, that is my understanding of the GPL in general, and I've worked with some people and companies who distribute modified code. |
| 00:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: Only to those people who you make the binaries available to. |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=17;bug=495721 .. oddly related |
| 00:53.57 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: he's NOT talking about the GPL |
| 00:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: The various different Open licenses are mostly about what restrictions you can place on that code. |
| 00:54.26 | jhutchins_lt | ie whether it can be further modified and distributed. |
| 00:54.39 | almark | will this work for the sources.list I want to do this right deb http://pkg-freebob.alioth.debian.org/debian |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | owen1: from what i'm reading .. you have to release your source code |
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| 00:54.59 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: They also deal with how you must credit the original code. |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: which license are you talking about ? |
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| 00:55.16 | almark | I'm new to debian I have been using other distos but I really like Debian |
| 00:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: I suggest that you read through the license carefully. |
| 00:55.28 | owen1 | abrotman: i am trying to understand the AGPL |
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| 00:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Licenses that are generally understood to be Open Source. |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | owen1: i know what *you* are talkinga bout .. he keeps saying GPL |
| 00:55.54 | owen1 | abrotman: (-: |
| 00:55.55 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: there are about a bazillion of those .. each with different terms |
| 00:55.58 | jhutchins_lt | I said GPL once. |
| 00:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Yet all have certain things in common. |
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| 00:56.20 | abrotman | uh .. they do? |
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| 00:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I don't know of any that require you to publish code modifications made by/for an end-user entity. |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: did you even read his question? or the license he's asking about? |
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| 00:57.04 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Most do not require that you make the code available _except_ to people you distribute the code to. |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | so you haven't ... |
| 00:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I will leave further advice to you. |
| 00:57.19 | jp-- | hi guys. I'm running firefox on a flash drive installation without a swap partition due to the slowness of the flash drive. But I'm now running out of memory and firefox is using a 63% of the memory, which gets the system to hang until I kill firefox. Any ideas in how can I manage it to not use that amount of memory, or maybe creating a swap file? thanks! |
| 00:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Yeah, probably, sometime in the last twenty years. |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | the AGPL ? |
| 00:58.02 | owen1 | jhutchins_lt: i think AGPL is about websites mainly |
| 00:58.24 | jhutchins_lt | I will go read it now as pennance for generalizing and speculating. |
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| 00:59.57 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: owen1 : http://www.affero.org/oagf.html#How_does_this_license_protect_the |
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| 01:00.25 | owen1 | abrotman: thanks, i'll read it now. i hope it's not meant for lawers.. |
| 01:00.26 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: Ok, it's a slightly different spin on the same idea, it considers users of a server that uses the code to be end-users and therefore entitled to access the code. |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | owen1: not sure which version of the AGPL the stuff you're looking at is licensed under .. but it seems pretty clear you can't remove that feature of downloading the source code IMO IANAL SDNWOTW |
| 01:00.44 | jhutchins_lt | owen1: So it would depend on whether it was a purely internal or a public site. |
| 01:00.56 | owen1 | jhutchins_lt: public |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: owen1 http://www.affero.org/oagf.html#Can_a_commercial_entity_remove_the |
| 01:01.17 | owen1 | jhutchins_lt: so i have to provide a link to the source? |
| 01:01.29 | owen1 | on a public site? |
| 01:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | Then you must make the code available (according to my reading). Yes. |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | owen1: no idea how v2 and v3 differ from v1 .. but you read from that FAQ, it's pretty clear you hve to provide the source |
| 01:02.07 | owen1 | abrotman: interesting |
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| 01:14.34 | simplechat | is there any nice way of allowing a debian system to survive losing all of its hard disks? |
| 01:15.10 | Name1ess | run from LiveCD? |
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| 01:15.46 | simplechat | mmmmm |
| 01:15.48 | WaterRatj | linux :p |
| 01:15.49 | simplechat | thats a bit painful |
| 01:15.58 | simplechat | i'm thinking more would pivot_root work? |
| 01:15.59 | frostschutz | simplechat: loss of a disk is never nice - unless you can umount it cleanly first, and if you could do that I suppose you wouldn't be asking |
| 01:16.04 | simplechat | like could i pivot_root into a chroot? |
| 01:16.13 | simplechat | yeah |
| 01:16.19 | simplechat | well, its getting all of its data from the san |
| 01:16.28 | simplechat | slash is only a few hundred megs |
| 01:16.38 | simplechat | i was thinking of making a ramdisk, rsyncing / over and pivot_rooting it |
| 01:17.44 | frostschutz | if you want to waste ram for that... |
| 01:17.57 | WaterRatj | how do i install grub loader from a live cd? |
| 01:18.54 | frostschutz | WaterRatj: with grub or grub-install like normal? |
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| 01:19.32 | WaterRatj | can i choose what hd? |
| 01:19.45 | WaterRatj | cause my boot record is messed up |
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| 01:23.36 | mark____ | hello I am learning for an exam, which I am going to have soon and now there is something I do not understand is there anybody who does know some stuff about NP-complete Problems?I would be really great if somebody could tell me why the partition problem is NP |
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| 01:25.15 | simplechat | mark____, why are you asking this in #debian? |
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| 01:26.34 | mark____ | because I could not find a good channel where somebody is online |
| 01:26.41 | ranix | try #debian-offtopic |
| 01:26.50 | mark____ | oh ok thx |
| 01:27.00 | ranix | but remember !ask applies in all channels |
| 01:27.07 | ranix | !answer |
| 01:27.08 | dpkg | answer is probably when nobody knows how to solve a problem, and they decide not to bother you with their ignorance; it is not meant as disrespect. |
| 01:27.09 | ranix | rather |
| 01:28.39 | sr0z | So I have an old laptop with no cd-rom drive. So I am booting from floppies. How can I use the debian boot floppy to kind of kick-start the installation on the drive? I am without GRUB or any bootloader. I just get a flashing cursor when the computer tries to boot from the drive. |
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| 01:30.00 | sr0z | Oh and I get Kernel Panics when I try to run the boot floppy. 'install' or 'rescue' :/ |
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| 01:30.01 | WaterRatj | Anyone that can help me with grub install from a livecd? |
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| 01:34.24 | LimCore | java does not install on my VPS with 1 GB ram; this seems like that bug reported back in 2007 - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402067 |
| 01:34.34 | LimCore | (actually it does install, but package is in broken state) |
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| 01:38.14 | Claudinux | buona notte... |
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| 01:45.07 | thepeople | I was here earlier and haven't been able to find the anwser to my question yet so I will throw it out there again; I am wondering what software powers packages.debian.org, I am looking at doing the same kind of site for OpenWrt |
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| 01:51.55 | WaterRatj | anoyne a link how i can make my debian cd into a bootable usb stick? |
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| 01:52.04 | abrotman | thepeople: which part of it ? |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | thepeople: the whole thing is in cvs/svn/git/arch/something |
| 01:52.19 | almark | what does one do if you can't find the exact kernel rt patch version for your kernel? because I see none on kernel.org |
| 01:53.05 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:53.42 | WaterRatj | Anyone? |
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| 01:53.57 | almark | I'm not really finding this answer but I need real time support on my kernel and I really don't want another kernel because this one is good am I suppose to make a rt patch myself? |
| 01:54.19 | thepeople | abrotman: ok, didn't think to look there |
| 01:54.22 | thepeople | checks |
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| 01:55.45 | nevyn | a rt kernel is a vastly different beats from some standard mainline kernel |
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| 01:56.18 | Amarande | "rt"? |
| 01:56.18 | nevyn | I thought jon corbett said something about rt being merged in |
| 01:56.25 | thepeople | abrotman: do you know what the name of it is? |
| 01:56.30 | nevyn | but I think that's only posix rt not rtlinux rt |
| 01:56.42 | nevyn | almark: which RT do you need? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | thepeople: no, but i don't think it would be useful for a project liek that .. there's a large backend that goes into it |
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| 01:57.50 | thepeople | abrotman: the backend isn't public I take it? |
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| 01:57.55 | almark | nevyn_ 2.6.26-21 |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | thepeople: i'm sure it is .. |
| 01:58.05 | almark | for debian 5.0 just installed it |
| 01:58.11 | nevyn | almark no not which kernel... |
| 01:58.40 | almark | nevyn_ you see that is what I don't know lol how do I know what version it needs |
| 01:58.57 | almark | nevyn_ that kind of info on google is vague somewhat |
| 01:59.05 | nevyn | almark: what's the application you want to run |
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| 01:59.36 | almark | nevyn_ jackd of course and I"m using the repos from puredyne I made a Debian system with Puredyne on top |
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| 02:00.21 | almark | nevyn_ stuff like Renoise, Ardour etc studio work |
| 02:01.04 | nevyn | ah so not actual rt just what used to be called the low latency patches. |
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| 02:01.52 | almark | nevyn yes its for low latency but I have always seen it called real time has the name changed? |
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| 02:03.25 | almark | nevyn Im afraid to use a rt patch that does not match my kernel I don't know what that would do lol |
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| 02:04.39 | almark | nevyn I see that one might have to make their own patch but I don't think I'm that skilled. |
| 02:04.53 | almark | nevyn or wait for one |
| 02:05.47 | nevyn | almark: so iirc the rt stuff was merged into the kernel at some point |
| 02:05.52 | nevyn | but I'm not sure when. |
| 02:06.20 | joshteam | how can you see what version of debian you have? |
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| 02:06.42 | joshteam | nvm |
| 02:06.43 | joshteam | :) |
| 02:06.58 | almark | nevyn really? |
| 02:07.23 | almark | nevyn your saying that it already has rt support in it? |
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| 02:07.34 | almark | nevyn_ that is what i'm using linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 02:07.35 | almark | Linux kernel source for version 2.6.26 with Debian patches |
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| 02:07.56 | Amarande | heh, I think we came up with an awesome description of the adobe flash plugin on linux |
| 02:08.01 | Amarande | "it's like francium in a bathtub!" |
| 02:08.18 | TomyLobo | "Bump Breaks for network-manager-kde to (<< 1:0.9~~). The KDE3 version no longer works correctly with this version of network-manager." |
| 02:08.19 | Amarande | really wishes the open source flash plugin supported F10 |
| 02:08.38 | Amarande | suspects however that this will probably not happen till oh, sometime around when Flash 11 comes out :P |
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| 02:08.49 | TomyLobo | someone didn't think properly, since there is no network-manager-kde of that version |
| 02:09.08 | TomyLobo | the latest i can find is still from lenny: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/network-manager-kde |
| 02:09.28 | nevyn | almark: I'm saying that's possible. |
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| 02:09.37 | TomyLobo | oh, search is broken... |
| 02:11.06 | almark | nevyn_ how can I find out that my kernel has that support, usually when a kernel has it a rt is appended onto the name of the kernel but this one does not have the -rt on it |
| 02:11.37 | TomyLobo | still, why require an experimental package for sid? and i also think the squeeze version already requires this later network-manager-kde version |
| 02:12.04 | almark | nevyn_ I'm using the newest version of Debian from the official site Lenny 5.0 |
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| 02:14.42 | almark | nevyn_ the closest version in synaptic for rt support is Linux kernel source for version 2.6.29.3-rt14-pure-686 |
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| 02:14.58 | almark | nevyn_ yet i'm using 2.6.26-21 |
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| 02:15.08 | nevyn | why are you on such an old kernel? |
| 02:15.24 | almark | nevyn_ that is what this package installed I just installed it |
| 02:15.31 | Amarande | Linux alviarin 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 12 22:12:20 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:15.32 | TomyLobo | isnt that the lenny kernel? |
| 02:15.35 | almark | nevyn_ last night I just installed this system |
| 02:15.40 | almark | yes |
| 02:15.41 | Amarande | nevyn: actually, lenny installs 2.6.26 |
| 02:15.54 | nevyn | ok that makes sense |
| 02:16.13 | nevyn | wishes that there weren't so many regressions in the linux kernel |
| 02:16.18 | almark | Should I upgrade my kernel so I can get this working ? |
| 02:16.43 | almark | hates having to upgrade a decent working kernel |
| 02:16.47 | almark | lol |
| 02:17.08 | almark | If I don't I won't have Real time support and won't be able to use Jack |
| 02:17.30 | nevyn | almark: I think that's your best option honestly |
| 02:17.33 | simonrvn | wonders when jack started getting mentioned again |
| 02:17.45 | Amarande | what's so significant now about real-time linux anyway? |
| 02:17.57 | simonrvn | probably some blog post... |
| 02:18.01 | almark | if I don't have it then my audio will drop something horrible |
| 02:18.33 | nevyn | Amarande: audio production needs garuntees on scheduling latency to ensure that there arn't buffer underruns |
| 02:18.39 | almark | WIthout it things like Ardour wont' work, so i'm using the packages from Puredyne |
| 02:18.48 | almark | good answer lol |
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| 02:19.11 | almark | and if there are XRUNs then the audio is choppy and unusable |
| 02:19.19 | Amarande | nevyn: how is this becoming a problem though? |
| 02:19.32 | Amarande | after all, we've been able to burn DVDs on Linux just fine without special RT stuff |
| 02:19.37 | Amarande | and that's subject to the same buffer underrun stuff |
| 02:19.42 | Amarande | BU during a DVD burn = coaster |
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| 02:20.34 | nevyn | Amarande: much bigger buffers. also when using audio hardware you're often sending data in a capture card through software processes and out to further audio processing |
| 02:20.39 | nevyn | jumpy audio is bad. |
| 02:20.46 | almark | If one runs qjackctl and does not have Rt in their kernel the audio won't record because you have to have rt to allow for patching from app to app |
| 02:21.11 | almark | from sound app to app like using ASIO in windows |
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| 02:21.44 | nevyn | right. |
| 02:22.12 | almark | things like audicity will work fine without jack |
| 02:22.46 | almark | lol do you have an idea of what I can do nevyn, sorry for picking your brain |
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| 02:23.08 | nevyn | almark: I'd go with the kernel upgrade. |
| 02:23.23 | almark | nevyn how painful is that going to be? |
| 02:23.42 | nevyn | almark: should "justwork[TM]" |
| 02:23.45 | almark | nevyn_ how does one know, will it be supported by lenny? |
| 02:23.57 | almark | mumbles |
| 02:23.58 | almark | ok |
| 02:23.59 | almark | lol |
| 02:24.00 | TomyLobo | couldnt he just take the binary package from squeeze? |
| 02:24.00 | almark | thanks all |
| 02:24.03 | nevyn | almark: it's in the repository it's part of lenny already it's just not installed by default |
| 02:24.12 | TomyLobo | oh |
| 02:24.13 | TomyLobo | or that :D |
| 02:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | almark, did someone already point you there? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2009-May/004140.html |
| 02:24.20 | TomyLobo | then it should be painless |
| 02:24.29 | almark | thanks :) |
| 02:24.34 | almark | I will look there |
| 02:24.39 | TomyLobo | just make sure the new kernel works before remove the old kernel package |
| 02:24.55 | TomyLobo | +you |
| 02:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it pretty much explains why rt on a debian kernel isn't so easy... and people normally start from a vanilla kernel.org one |
| 02:26.10 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: depends which RT. |
| 02:26.18 | Tropicalicecube | almark, Hi! I used Jack without an RT kernel on Slackware... Recorded up to 8 tracks simultaneous |
| 02:26.28 | almark | I could just use my .config file oldconfig for the vanilla right |
| 02:26.28 | Amarande | Slackware is still around? |
| 02:26.42 | Amarande | I thought it became almost universally blackballed by serious Linux users and disappeared |
| 02:27.04 | Amarande | "Suckyware" was the most common epithet, if I recall, along with some that can't be related here |
| 02:27.06 | almark | tropicalicecube_really? I will be running thigns like Renoise I have a P4 with 3ghz and 1.5 GB of ram |
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| 02:27.44 | Tropicalicecube | almark, really, real life. only for mixdown the xruns became an issue, |
| 02:27.54 | almark | well everyone its been good talking to you I will look up info on making a vanilla kernel |
| 02:28.09 | almark | have to go |
| 02:28.11 | almark | :) |
| 02:28.17 | Tropicalicecube | and I switched to the fastest RT kernel I could find: Ubuntustudio904 |
| 02:28.32 | almark | tried Ubuntustiudio |
| 02:28.48 | Tropicalicecube | That includes compiling myself a minimal 2.6.31 with patch from kernel.org |
| 02:28.48 | almark | it wasnt what a wanted oh well I like Debian seems very stable |
| 02:28.54 | Amarande | we don't say the U word in #debian |
| 02:28.58 | almark | sorry |
| 02:29.04 | almark | zips lip tight |
| 02:29.05 | almark | lol |
| 02:29.10 | almark | mums the word ;) |
| 02:29.26 | almark | personally I'm not impressed with their distos |
| 02:29.33 | Tropicalicecube | Again: REAL LIFE -I've got people next to me that wants stuff mixed down |
| 02:29.33 | almark | but that is just my opinion |
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| 02:30.11 | Tropicalicecube | I am not at all too - slackware, debian are personnal fav; but when I had to do it into a real product... |
| 02:30.17 | almark | I have to go now see you later :) I will come here often if I need some help and keep and touch with you on this rt problem |
| 02:30.34 | almark | c-ya Tropicalicecube |
| 02:30.37 | almark | :) |
| 02:30.43 | Tropicalicecube | almark, bye |
| 02:31.11 | rumpsy | how can i choose my torrent client port... i tried many ports but its not working, it says port test fails |
| 02:31.32 | Amarande | rumpsy, are you behind a firewall? |
| 02:31.45 | rumpsy | my ISP.. not me |
| 02:32.03 | rumpsy | i'm having router |
| 02:33.49 | rumpsy | any ideas! , i'm struggling here,i tried more for 30 minutes, nothing helped |
| 02:34.09 | NiLon | rumpsy in your router forward port to right machine |
| 02:34.13 | NiLon | if you are behind nat |
| 02:34.55 | rumpsy | NiLon: can you give me a sec, first i open my router config in browser |
| 02:35.05 | NiLon | http://portforward.com/ |
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| 02:36.51 | hayleyw | not to mention that this is off topic. go to your torrent software's channel |
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| 02:40.13 | OldParr | how do i install package.deb stored locally? |
| 02:40.24 | hayleyw | OldParr, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 02:40.38 | TomyLobo | or double-click it :D |
| 02:40.54 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.02 | hayleyw | OldParr, no |
| 02:41.08 | TomyLobo | aptitude is a front-end to dpkg |
| 02:41.17 | TomyLobo | in the end it's all the same |
| 02:41.21 | TomyLobo | dont worry :) |
| 02:42.24 | OldParr | will dpkg -i foo.deb resolve the dependancies? |
| 02:42.35 | TomyLobo | nope |
| 02:42.42 | TomyLobo | it will tell you what you need though |
| 02:42.49 | hayleyw | OldParr, sudo dpkg -i foo.deb && sudo apt-get -f install; will |
| 02:42.59 | TomyLobo | oh? |
| 02:43.02 | TomyLobo | interesting |
| 02:43.24 | joshteam | what's the "best practice" way of giving a user root privs? |
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| 02:43.42 | hayleyw | joshteam, man sudo |
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| 02:43.50 | joshteam | running sudo each command? |
| 02:44.20 | OldParr | hayleyw: i have allready installed it with dpkg -i a.deb now how do i resolve the dependancies? |
| 02:44.48 | hayleyw | OldParr, sudo apt-get -f install; if it doesnt do anything, then it's already satisfied and you dont have anything to do |
| 02:45.24 | OldParr | apt-get -f install foo.deb ? |
| 02:45.37 | hayleyw | is that what i said? no, it's not |
| 02:45.44 | OldParr | apt-get -f install |
| 02:45.50 | OldParr | alone? |
| 02:45.53 | hayleyw | yes |
| 02:47.04 | OldParr | 0 actualized, 0 will be installed, 0 to eliminate y 0 no actualized |
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| 02:47.21 | hayleyw | ...so it's already satisfied and you dont have to do anything. like i said |
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| 02:47.46 | OldParr | hayleyw: thanks |
| 02:48.51 | johni | hello everybody, I am searching the web but have little luck to find good documentation. How can I setup a daemon to start at boot time? |
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| 02:49.26 | OldParr | johni: add a script to /etc/init.d |
| 02:49.27 | hayleyw | johni, man update-rc.d or rcconf |
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| 02:49.54 | johni | OldParr, hayleyw thanks :) |
| 02:51.01 | johni | easy to find documentation now ... good boost to my searches |
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| 02:53.03 | hayleyw | !init.d |
| 02:53.04 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags> |
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| 02:53.35 | dbb | hi can someone clue me in on how to get PgAdmin 3.10 on my lenny machine? |
| 02:53.41 | dbb | I am confused about the repos |
| 02:53.58 | OldParr | johni: after you put your script in /etc/init.d run this as root "update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/scriptname defaults" |
| 02:53.59 | dbb | I added backports to my sources list, but that doesnt sem to be it |
| 02:54.29 | dbb | it looks like what I want is here http://packages.debian.org/testing/database/pgadmin3 |
| 02:54.41 | dbb | but I dont know the rules about mixing these |
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| 02:54.56 | dbb | I have lenny AMD64.. |
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| 02:55.09 | hayleyw | !tell dbb about ssb |
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| 02:55.35 | N3tw0rK | anyone sucessfully install Net::IRR or Net::TCP on lenny? |
| 02:55.36 | johni | OldParr, thanks, I already created the script using the skeleton and put in the right place. I was just not sure how to link . update-rc.d saves the day :) |
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| 02:56.15 | dbbolton | could someone recommend a tool for setting up a local repo? i'm currently considering reprepro and debarchiver |
| 02:56.48 | johni | OldParr, what happens if I register the service with update-rc.d but somehow manage to delete the init script (by mistake) ? what happens at the next reboot? |
| 02:57.19 | hayleyw | johni, it skips it |
| 02:57.22 | philipn | g'day, i have a raid1 setup where one of the disks has gone bad. it seems grub wasn't installed on the mbr of the 2nd disk as i can't boot from it. at the moment i have it plugged into another computer and have mounted the /boot partition. is it possible to install grub on its mbr? |
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| 02:57.44 | OldParr | johni: i just know update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/scriptname defaults will create symlynks in rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d ..... etc |
| 02:58.07 | hayleyw | philipn, boot with an install cd into rescue mode. then `grub-install /dev/sda` or whatever device it is |
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| 02:59.04 | johni | hayleyw, that is somewhat good behavior, at least I do not have to worry about the system not starting |
| 02:59.40 | OldParr | rc0.d is for runlevel 0, rc1.d is for runlevel 1, rc2.d is for runlevel 2 ......etc |
| 02:59.45 | johni | I guess the best solution is to include the removal of the service as part of the uninstall of the .deb package |
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| 03:00.02 | johni | OldParr, good know that ... |
| 03:00.11 | philipn | hayleyw: i don't have a rescue cd handy right now - the box i have it plugged into now is another running debian system. can i run grub-install from that or will it set it up using the wrong kernels/initrds? |
| 03:00.26 | johni | OldParr, as long as I cannot harm the system too much, I should be fine |
| 03:00.48 | hayleyw | philipn, not gonna work |
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| 03:01.47 | philipn | hayleyw: ok, so i can use a normal debian install cd and use the "rescue" option? from memory that asks to mount devices - do i want to do that or do i go to a shell before that? |
| 03:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, lock that ax away, then... |
| 03:02.22 | hayleyw | philipn, it'll ask you what you want to act as your root partition. you want to tell it the correct one...then that's it. just grub-install and you'll be fine |
| 03:02.26 | groulder | so i notice 5.0.4 has been released |
| 03:02.41 | philipn | hayleyw: great, thanks a lot |
| 03:02.42 | groulder | when i run an aptitude update, i get 8182 new [-1] |
| 03:02.44 | groulder | what the? |
| 03:03.14 | groulder | what does that mean exactly? |
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| 03:05.56 | niriven | Hello. With Debian testing (squeeze), i cannot seem to install nvidia-glx to do unresolve dependencies. I havnt run debian in years so any help is appreciated :) |
| 03:06.22 | hayleyw | niriven, nvidia isnt in testing. only sid and stable |
| 03:06.55 | niriven | hayleyw: oh. so what would you recommend i do? |
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| 03:07.03 | hayleyw | buy ati :P |
| 03:07.19 | niriven | blah. |
| 03:07.32 | hayleyw | i cant recommend that you upgrade to sid...because abrotman would ban me. but you do what you have to do :P |
| 03:08.02 | niriven | i know sid is unsupported and ill be out of luck if anything goes wrong :P |
| 03:08.17 | hayleyw | yep |
| 03:09.16 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia squeeze |
| 03:09.16 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 03:09.25 | Arrowmaster | !tum |
| 03:09.25 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
| 03:10.06 | newsense | there's a bug in squeeze and xorg that claims to break x with nvidia binary driver |
| 03:10.12 | niriven | well darn that seems like a good amount of work ;) |
| 03:10.23 | niriven | newsense: ah ok. |
| 03:10.52 | Amarande | I've heard of people who run full-blown sid ... I'm not sure of their sanity though :S |
| 03:10.54 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah i still havent upgraded x and the nvidia stuff to the latest |
| 03:11.05 | newsense | niriven: bug #567619 |
| 03:11.12 | newsense | niriven: if you want to read it |
| 03:11.28 | newsense | if you use squeeze you should have apt-listbugs anyways |
| 03:11.58 | niriven | yeah i dont want to run sid (though ill try it and see what happens), lenny is too conservative for me, and well testing has that bug with a funky work around, hoho. |
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| 03:13.34 | niriven | thanks for the help :_) |
| 03:14.35 | ScribbleJ | So, I have a bunch of servers in a remote location, and I just realized the kid we sent out to install Debian on them put on a 32-bit Debian. If you had a bunch of 32-bit machines you wanted to install 64-bit on "remotely" what would you do - path of least resistance? |
| 03:14.58 | hayleyw | ScribbleJ, you cant |
| 03:15.04 | ScribbleJ | Maybe I just find some way to script an image install from a USB stick and mail out a stack of them to some local datacenter dude. |
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| 03:15.38 | nsadmin | the thing is you'd have to replace the installs |
| 03:15.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 03:16.00 | nsadmin | (also, what's wrong with the installs as they are?) |
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| 03:16.10 | ScribbleJ | hayleyw, I'm inviting out-of-the-box suggestions, like what if I put a PXE boot server on one of the 32-bit machines, with a net install image with a terminal or something, and installed them all remotely, then did the same for that last machine... |
| 03:16.10 | Amarande | no way to trick apt into pulling from the 64-bit arch repos instead of the 32? |
| 03:16.15 | ScribbleJ | That's a huuuuge bother though. |
| 03:16.31 | abrotman | ScribbleJ: debootstrap |
| 03:16.32 | hayleyw | Amarande, no. you would be left with a breadbox |
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| 03:16.39 | ScribbleJ | I'd rather send out a box of USB sticks. Hehehe |
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| 03:16.50 | nsadmin | exactly (huuge bother), that's why I'm asking what's wrong with it as it is |
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| 03:16.54 | dvs | Ah. Nice to get my netbook working again. |
| 03:17.02 | ScribbleJ | (nsadmin, for starters, one of the boxes has 16GB ram... I shoudl have noticed it missing sooner!) |
| 03:17.19 | ScribbleJ | (Actually two) |
| 03:17.26 | nsadmin | you could try a bigmem kernel in those |
| 03:17.27 | hayleyw | and? |
| 03:17.35 | nsadmin | or an amd64 kernel |
| 03:17.52 | nsadmin | what else? |
| 03:17.57 | hayleyw | !pae |
| 03:17.58 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x. It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. Ask me about <bigmem>. |
| 03:18.07 | ScribbleJ | Well, that's not the only reason. Another is the database they need to run is 64-bit and the time it takes to reimport is... unacceptable. |
| 03:18.29 | macrobat | Amarande: i run sid and i enjoy it. |
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| 03:19.09 | nsadmin | how many machines need to run that 64b database? |
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| 03:20.19 | ScribbleJ | Two, I guess there's two machines I'm worried about primarily. But about a dozen in total. |
| 03:20.35 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 03:20.57 | nsadmin | ok, first of all (as always) it's your choice |
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| 03:21.11 | nsadmin | I guess you could send the kid back :) |
| 03:21.41 | nsadmin | but are you sure running a 64b arch will increase your throughput on the db? |
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| 03:22.24 | nsadmin | if it's an sql-style db (or maybe also others), they need fast random-access to the disk |
| 03:22.43 | ScribbleJ | Well, I can't imagine how it couldn't. We push a lot of 64b data, I'm sure having the 64b registers can only help. |
| 03:23.14 | ScribbleJ | But in any case, the DB exists on 64b machines now and we'd want to move it without the complete export/import required to convert. |
| 03:23.20 | nsadmin | I can see that |
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| 03:24.12 | ScribbleJ | I'm thinking that I'm just going to make up an image - or a few, and put it on usb sticks, and send them out for an idiot to plug in and reboot. |
| 03:24.32 | ScribbleJ | I just need to figure out the easiest way of scripting it so the stick gets plugged in and the stuff gets imaged right. |
| 03:24.33 | nsadmin | OK, so the database issue could be one of converstion that doesn't have to happen if (insert idea I forgot) is 64 bits |
| 03:24.40 | nsadmin | the file system? |
| 03:24.48 | ScribbleJ | The database executable. :) |
| 03:25.08 | nsadmin | so the conversion issue is recompilation? |
| 03:25.13 | ScribbleJ | The database on disk is vastly different int he 64/32bit binaries. |
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| 03:25.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 03:25.37 | ScribbleJ | Conversion issue is, to convert the database means exporting the databsae, then re-importing it, which also means taking the db offline so new transactions are not lost in the process. |
| 03:25.50 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 03:25.50 | ScribbleJ | export/reimport takes several hours - several hours longer than the db can be offline. :) |
| 03:26.01 | ScribbleJ | It's postgresql, btw. Brilliant database. |
| 03:26.03 | hayleyw | reinstalling also means taking it offline, and there's no other way from going from 32 to 64 |
| 03:26.22 | hayleyw | you're not making any sense |
| 03:26.28 | ScribbleJ | hayleyw, I know I need to reinstall - the only good news is the machines in question are not yet doing anything. |
| 03:26.46 | nsadmin | so they're not in production yet |
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| 03:26.51 | ScribbleJ | Correct. |
| 03:26.58 | nsadmin | that is good news |
| 03:27.12 | ScribbleJ | Yes, yes it is. The bad news is I was going to put them into production MOnday. |
| 03:27.14 | hayleyw | so how does exporting/importing even matter? it's offline no matter what. do it |
| 03:27.21 | ScribbleJ | Which is now nevergunnahppen. |
| 03:27.53 | ScribbleJ | hayleyw, yes, do it is the right idea, the only complication is that these machines are in Denver, while I am in Chicago, and I don't want to send one of our bright kids to denver. |
| 03:28.03 | ScribbleJ | (again) |
| 03:28.18 | ScribbleJ | I say bright kids... he did install the 32-bit OS when he was there about a week ago. |
| 03:28.19 | nsadmin | aha, so the kid did some travelling |
| 03:28.45 | nsadmin | would there be a local consultant that could get you started? |
| 03:28.48 | hayleyw | why cant you export the database remotely? |
| 03:29.04 | ScribbleJ | hayleyw, I can, it's the upgrading debian versions remotely that is a bitch. :) |
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| 03:29.33 | ScribbleJ | nsadmin, I'm sure one of the guys at the datacenter can do what I need with detailed enough instructions... or... like I was thinking, USB disks that make it easy. |
| 03:29.45 | ScribbleJ | I'm really leaning that way pretty heavily right now. |
| 03:29.58 | nsadmin | well going from 32-64b is the specific difficulty... remote upgrades that don't do that are easier |
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| 03:30.48 | nsadmin | you could have at least the debian base installed and just enough done on each machine to get them on the net so that continuing could happen remotely |
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| 03:31.10 | nsadmin | the debian base being approximately 125 mb compresses |
| 03:31.11 | nsadmin | d |
| 03:32.26 | Xorm | i'm trying to compile a kernel module whilst running 2.6.30, but I can't find the headers in the repos |
| 03:32.31 | nsadmin | another possibility is having each fitted with a remote console so you could do the entire install remotely |
| 03:32.33 | ScribbleJ | Yeah.... what I was thinking was, install debian in a vm or on a box here, then take an image of the disk with e.g. dd. |
| 03:32.50 | Tortel | Could someone give me a hand with resolving a xserver error on sid? It is related to this bug/fix: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24314#c44 I am not sure how to apply this (also asking in #xorg) |
| 03:32.50 | ScribbleJ | Then put that iiiiiiiiiiiimage on a USB disk, and ship it out there with a scrip that just dds it into place at the location. |
| 03:33.18 | ScribbleJ | Obviously, I'd have to change ... at least /etc/network/interfaces in each image. Or maybe as part of the copy script. |
| 03:33.49 | nsadmin | sure, that's workable too |
| 03:34.16 | ScribbleJ | I guess I shoudl find out how capable the datacenter guys are. |
| 03:34.24 | nsadmin | (note, I'm not going to give you "the way" as there's not just one, and you should exercise your own choice) |
| 03:34.30 | hayleyw | that's a stupid use of an image. you dont wanna clone...just do a minimal reinstall |
| 03:34.35 | ScribbleJ | If they are smart enoughf ro me to tell them, get debian off the nt, install it, set up these netowkr interfaces and openssh, then I am golden. |
| 03:35.06 | ScribbleJ | hayleyw, yes, but I do not know if the guys I have on location are going to be capable of a proper install; they can be idiots some places. |
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| 03:35.21 | nsadmin | you could have that done by say saturday if they;re not too busy tomorrow (big if for datacenter staff) |
| 03:35.22 | ScribbleJ | Some datacenter guys only know how to run cable and watch for red lights. |
| 03:35.41 | hayleyw | if they can manage to clone and edit properly, they'll be able to do a clean reinstall properly |
| 03:35.45 | ScribbleJ | I'll have to call these guys and find out what they can do. |
| 03:35.49 | nsadmin | well in that case get temporary serial consoles for them |
| 03:36.12 | ScribbleJ | hayleyw, well, for the clone and edit I was suggesting having the entire process scripted. They would plug in the usb stick, reboot, and go on watching the red lights. |
| 03:36.20 | nsadmin | also you can play with debootstrap |
| 03:36.24 | hayleyw | yeah, good luck with that |
| 03:36.29 | nsadmin | and possibly even xen |
| 03:36.46 | philipn | hayleyw: hi i'm back, you were helping me earlier with the grub + raid problem. i was able to boot into rescue mode and mount the root partition, which is lvm. the /boot partition isn't lvm, it's a separate ext2 partition which i wasn't able to mount. i'm not sure if that has to do with raid or lvm - it would always tell me the device was busy when i tried to mount the partition i know is /boot. any ideas? |
| 03:37.01 | ScribbleJ | Yeah, part of the bitch of it is we have vmware licenses for these boxes but haven't had time to put it through testing. |
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| 03:37.14 | ScribbleJ | If we had, this would be super easy. |
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| 03:37.31 | nsadmin | philipn partition already mounted? |
| 03:37.50 | philipn | nsadmin: no it wasn't |
| 03:37.51 | hayleyw | philipn, if you have / mounted, look in /etc/fstab and it'll show you |
| 03:38.13 | nsadmin | hmm. no idea what the alternatives are |
| 03:38.35 | philipn | it definitely wasn't already mounted. /dev/hdb1 was the partition i was trying to mount, /dev/hdb2 was the partition with the lvm stuff under /dev/mapper, which was all mounted |
| 03:39.17 | nsadmin | so /dev/hdb2 is the PV? |
| 03:39.29 | philipn | yep |
| 03:39.59 | Xorm | uhhh where should I get kernel headers for 2.6.30-2-686? |
| 03:40.13 | abrotman | Xorm: from backports.org or for squeeze/sid ? |
| 03:40.16 | hayleyw | Xorm, aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 03:40.37 | Xorm | :\ i don't even know what backports are |
| 03:40.38 | nsadmin | judd versions linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 03:40.39 | judd | linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686 -- squeeze-security: 2.6.30-8squeeze1 |
| 03:40.43 | Xorm | I think i'm running 'testing' |
| 03:40.45 | abrotman | Xorm: that kernel isn't in debian anymore |
| 03:40.54 | abrotman | Xorm: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 03:41.21 | ranix | judd: kernels |
| 03:41.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-1-686 (2.6.32-6); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
| 03:41.24 | philipn | i'm able to mount the /boot partition when i plug that drive into another system which doesn't have mdadm installed, so i think mdadm is somehow stopping me from mounting it |
| 03:41.43 | Xorm | oh |
| 03:41.48 | ranix | Lenny does appear to indeed have 2.6.30.2 |
| 03:41.48 | Xorm | it's at 2.6.32 now |
| 03:41.58 | ranix | from bpo |
| 03:41.59 | dvs | 2.6.32-1? back to the old names? |
| 03:42.03 | Xorm | weird |
| 03:42.05 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: You may be able to install via ssh remotely after only a few installer questions, which may be automated (somehow). |
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| 03:42.28 | Xorm | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 03:42.35 | philipn | if i copy the contents of the /boot partition to, say, the /home/boot on the lvm partition, can i use grub-install with --root-directory=/home/boot ? |
| 03:42.38 | Xorm | is DLing now |
| 03:42.40 | abrotman | ranix: but he's not using that |
| 03:42.55 | ScribbleJ | karlpinc, that's not a bad idea either. I will look into it. Who knows, maybe I will get lucky and the guy at the dc will be a Debian guru. |
| 03:43.20 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: I know for sure that expert mode will allow the install to continue via ssh. |
| 03:43.43 | ScribbleJ | Very interesting! |
| 03:44.28 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: You want to rtfm the install manual at debian.org. (And try before you commit. :-) |
| 03:44.56 | ScribbleJ | Oh yes. Measure twice, cut once. |
| 03:45.18 | ScribbleJ | I feel really stupid for not noticing while the kid was still in Denver last week, that he had chosen a 32 bit install. |
| 03:45.29 | karlpinc | philipn: That is odd. I'm pretty mdadm ignorant. One thing to try is to boot off the install disk in rescue mode, just so you can work on the system in question. Don't know if that will help at all. |
| 03:46.04 | ranix | philipn: what are you trying to do again? |
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| 03:46.21 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: So it's already running debian? You can also launch the installer from a running system. Don't know how that works. |
| 03:46.26 | ranix | /boot cannot be on a non-mirror raid |
| 03:46.40 | karlpinc | ranix: He claims it's not on raid at all. |
| 03:46.48 | ranix | that's not unusual either |
| 03:47.03 | ranix | /boot has nothing to do with raid, proceed normally as if there was no raid |
| 03:47.52 | ranix | md cannot yet be running when /boot is read by the bootloader, because the bootloader has not... booted yet |
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| 03:48.14 | ScribbleJ | karlpinc, now that sounds very interesting. I don't know why it didn't occur to me that such a thing might be possible. |
| 03:48.48 | philipn | ranix: i had a raid1 system where one drive failed. it seems it was the drive with grub installed and that grub isn't installed on the one that's working now, so i'm trying to install it |
| 03:48.49 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: Again, rtfm. There might be a whole chapter or appendix or something on it. I forget. |
| 03:49.12 | ranix | philipn: raid1 is not really raid sometimes |
| 03:49.26 | philipn | ranix: my /boot partition is ext2, the root and others are on another lvm partition |
| 03:49.34 | ranix | philipn: the raid1 partition is exactly as if that were the only partition doing what it does |
| 03:49.45 | ranix | philipn: proceed as if you were *not* using raid when dealing with /boot |
| 03:49.46 | karlpinc | philipn: Ah. You can boot off the install disk into rescue mode and then install grub. (Assuming it's md software raid.) |
| 03:50.03 | karlpinc | philipn: Heck, you can install grub right off the install disk. |
| 03:50.11 | philipn | karlpinc: i can't because it's not letting me mount the /boot partition, it tells me the device is busy |
| 03:50.23 | ranix | probably because it's mounted already |
| 03:50.37 | karlpinc | philipn: When booting from the install disk? (ranix sounds right....) |
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| 03:50.50 | philipn | yes, when booting from the install disk into rescue mode |
| 03:50.54 | ScribbleJ | karlpinc, there is a whole chapter on it, but now that I look at it it occurs to me that it's not really workable, with the running system and the to-be-installed system sharing the same disk/partition, and repartitioning carrying basically the same problem set as the initial situation. |
| 03:50.59 | philipn | i'm pretty sure it's not mounted already |
| 03:51.06 | ScribbleJ | Thanks for the idea, though, I appreciate anything. |
| 03:51.13 | Kazuha | Out of curiosity -- is there any means to install Debian onto a USB stick with MSOS running on the system (as in, being the host OS for the install itself).... |
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| 03:51.23 | Kazuha | Why didn't I think of this *earlier*. |
| 03:51.24 | karlpinc | philipn: Besides, you don't need to mount /boot to install grub. |
| 03:51.39 | ranix | !usb install |
| 03:51.40 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 03:51.58 | Kazuha | I meant to a. |
| 03:52.04 | philipn | karlpinc: i thought it scanned /boot to see what was available? |
| 03:52.07 | dvs | ranix: INTO a USB stick, not FROM |
| 03:52.19 | ranix | dvs: wtf are you smoking |
| 03:52.33 | ranix | dvs: a usb stick is just another sd device |
| 03:52.36 | ranix | of course you can install onto it |
| 03:52.41 | klync | Kazuha: image --> stick ... whatever way your (current) os allows you to |
| 03:52.44 | Kazuha | Of course. |
| 03:52.55 | dvs | ranix: Kazuha wants to RUN Debian from a USB, not INSTALL from a USB |
| 03:53.15 | ranix | dvs: so install TO a USB |
| 03:53.24 | Kazuha | Actually, I'm trying to help someone 3k miles from me find out what's borked in his system. |
| 03:53.26 | dvs | yes |
| 03:53.32 | ranix | you can just use the install CD to install to a usb drive |
| 03:53.35 | karlpinc | Kazuha: I don't know what utilities are available in dos any more vis writing a debian image to a usb stick. |
| 03:53.52 | ranix | afterwards you may want to disable logging and swap |
| 03:53.54 | karlpinc | ranix: Yes, a better option. |
| 03:53.55 | ranix | also see |
| 03:53.58 | ranix | !debootstrap |
| 03:53.59 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 03:54.10 | Kazuha | (The consensus is that the hard drive is borked.) |
| 03:54.34 | Kazuha | Basically, the problems are: |
| 03:55.05 | Kazuha | 1: His MSOS install is borked and won't start, previously files had been getting damaged at seemingly random. |
| 03:55.20 | abrotman | so which OS are you trying to rescue? |
| 03:55.21 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: There's always the fedex solution. |
| 03:55.58 | Kazuha | 2: He wants to install Debian to fix/find out what the problem is. But he has no blank CDRs, and his connection isn't quite fast enough to d/l a dvd image in a reasonable amount of time. |
| 03:56.00 | karlpinc | ScribbleJ: Either have them send you the box or send them a hd. |
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| 03:57.29 | ScribbleJ | Yeah, I like your out of the box thinking. |
| 03:57.45 | ScribbleJ | Hrmmm |
| 03:57.55 | karlpinc | Kazuha: Speaking of, you could fexex him a cd or whatever. |
| 03:58.30 | klync | notices a theme |
| 03:58.50 | Kazuha | It just occurred to me when describing the issue "host OS", that he could run the installer as a "guest OS" in a VM and install Debian onto the USB key by telling the VM to use the stick as an HD. |
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| 03:59.44 | OldParr | is there an easy way of recovering grub after a windows reinstall? |
| 03:59.56 | karlpinc | Kazuha: He has more than one box? If the hd is flaky he'll have a hard time doing anything. |
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| 04:00.22 | ScribbleJ | OldParr, Yes, just use grub-reinstall ? Or grub-install? There is an easy way, that much I can assure you. |
| 04:00.26 | abrotman | !grub rescue |
| 04:00.29 | abrotman | bleh .. |
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| 04:00.37 | Kazuha | karlpinc: he does, but his other boxen are laptops. |
| 04:00.39 | ajay | hi... I actually forgot my keyring password now what should i do to deactivate it |
| 04:00.43 | abrotman | OldParr: get the supergrub disc or use the debian disc .. boot debian, fix grub |
| 04:00.46 | karlpinc | OldParr: Yes. Boot off the install disk, in either expert or rescue mode, and there's a menu item for grub install. (Or you could use the rescue disk to manually run grub, but....) |
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| 04:01.24 | OldParr | is the supergrub disc big in sixe to download? |
| 04:01.30 | OldParr | size |
| 04:01.50 | abrotman | no |
| 04:02.16 | OldParr | karlpinc: when you talk about instll disk do you refer to CD or DVD? |
| 04:02.28 | Kazuha | Either. |
| 04:02.28 | ajay | hi... I actually forgot my keyring password now what should i do to deactivate it |
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| 04:02.41 | willmore | Hello, all. |
| 04:02.41 | karlpinc | OldParr: The 150MB network install will work. Although it may download a bit while running. |
| 04:02.49 | Kazuha | Kiss your passwords goodbye? |
| 04:03.10 | OldParr | karlpinc: i hve netinst |
| 04:03.12 | willmore | Quick question. I've got an older lenny box that needs updating. So, I apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. Everything but newt and whiptail work great. |
| 04:03.59 | ajay | can any 1 answer me |
| 04:04.01 | karlpinc | OldParr: I can't think why using the grub install item from the installer menu would not be the easy way to go. (available in expert mode and, I think in rescue mode. I don't run basic mode.) |
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| 04:04.22 | Kazuha | Who *would* run basic mode? |
| 04:04.49 | willmore | I get: dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error |
| 04:04.59 | willmore | any suggestions? |
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| 04:05.19 | karlpinc | willmore: Follow the release notes instructions that describe a way to upgrade that works? |
| 04:06.05 | karlpinc | willmore: Sorry, but I'm not good enough to know how to recover. |
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| 04:06.09 | willmore | karlpinc, I'm not sure I'm following you. This is a lenny system that's just 'coming up to speed'. I'm not moving to squeeze. |
| 04:06.44 | karlpinc | willmore: The lenny release notes say how to upgrade from etch to lenny. If you don't follow their instructions, well, you might have problems. |
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| 04:07.11 | willmore | karlpinc, this is a lenny system that's staying lenny. I'm just updating things. |
| 04:08.08 | karlpinc | willmore: Ah I misunderstood. Try: /msg dpkg why aptitude for a recommendation. |
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| 04:08.25 | willmore | karlpinc, k... |
| 04:09.34 | karlpinc | willmore: So, try using aptitude. It might produce better results. |
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| 04:11.10 | k\t | ok, this is weird, with xinerama in dwm, alsa is a working codec with all screens as display :0.0 ... but with awesomewm without xinerama each display on its own, e.g. 0.0, 0.1, 0.2 -- sound will only work with the OSS module...?? this is all new to me... |
| 04:11.18 | k\t | s/codec/module |
| 04:13.33 | k\t | and it seems tha tmplayer was the only application that really _noticed_ the change... |
| 04:13.34 | willmore | Is there a pastebin for this channel? |
| 04:13.38 | ajay | hi... I actually forgot my keyring password now what should i do to deactivate it |
| 04:13.59 | ajay | plz reply nme |
| 04:14.23 | magyar | hmm |
| 04:14.24 | karlpinc | willmore: Use any and post the url here. |
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| 04:16.12 | willmore | karlpinc, http://pastebin.com/d691c7274 |
| 04:16.34 | willmore | Same as apt-get did. |
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| 04:18.07 | ajay | y is not any one replying me |
| 04:18.45 | willmore | ajay, Do you mean you have a ssh agent? |
| 04:19.39 | willmore | If so, just kill it. |
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| 04:20.56 | metasmv | ajay, be more specific. which keyring? |
| 04:21.28 | karlpinc | willmore: Dunno. I presume it used to work. You could start by filing a bug report against libnewt0.52. My brain is full, sorry. |
| 04:21.44 | ajay | aaa passwords keyring |
| 04:22.02 | ajay | i mean which stores passwords |
| 04:22.15 | willmore | karlpinc, NP, thanks for taking a look at it. if it was up to me, I wouldn't have newt and whiptail installed. I'll keep looking. |
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| 04:23.23 | ajay | metasmv, i mean keyring which stores passwords |
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| 04:25.26 | metasmv | ajay, if you're using seahorse you can go to http://projects.gnome.org/seahorse/list.html and check in the mail archives if there is something about this. or you can subscribe and ask in there. |
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| 04:30.57 | ajay | metasmv, actually i dont know much technical about diffrent keyrings. when ever i do any admin task my system asks for the root password, when i try to connect to internet it asks me password... i stored all such passwords in a keyring and now i forgot the password of my keyring it self |
| 04:32.04 | ajay | i think now my question is clear |
| 04:32.09 | metasmv | ajay, i understand, but those in that list may know better. i never had this problem... sorry |
| 04:33.13 | ajay | thanks metasmv, any 1 plz help me out |
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| 04:33.41 | ajay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:37.42 | ajay | no replys :( |
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| 04:38.59 | ajay | no replys :( |
| 04:39.01 | ajay | no replys :( |
| 04:39.16 | aporetic | ajay: please don't spam the channel |
| 04:39.27 | Kazuha | ajay, if your 'keyring' is any good, your passwords are lost. |
| 04:39.46 | aporetic | also what kazuha said |
| 04:39.50 | Kazuha | If not, then your passwords are available, you just have to crack whatever encryption is on it. |
| 04:39.52 | rainy-day | I don't know what's the best place to ask this.. basically my friend has a debian system on a flash disk and he needs to make an exact copy to another flash disk. Is there a free windows program that'd do that? (he doesn't have a working linux system / does not know linux) |
| 04:40.17 | Kazuha | Exact copy.... |
| 04:40.23 | Kazuha | That sounds like a job for dd. |
| 04:40.29 | aporetic | winimg? |
| 04:40.42 | rainy-day | yeah.. something gui and simple would be best |
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| 04:40.50 | rainy-day | and free or cheap |
| 04:40.52 | Kazuha | ajay, what I would suggest is resetting your root password to a new one. |
| 04:40.59 | rainy-day | i'll look at winimg, thanks! |
| 04:41.14 | aporetic | no problem. |
| 04:43.10 | ajay | i know all my other password but this keyring always opens a dialog to ask password i jus keep denying it i dont want this dialog to appear anymore |
| 04:43.43 | Kazuha | Purge the keyring program? |
| 04:44.02 | joshteam | anyone know where the php binary goes w/ apt-get install php5 ? |
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| 04:44.44 | Kazuha | joshteam: Stable, Testing, Unstable, or...? |
| 04:44.52 | joshteam | stable |
| 04:44.54 | Kazuha | (And architecture.) |
| 04:45.27 | Kazuha | (If in doubt about that, "uname -r" will tell you.) |
| 04:45.42 | joshteam | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 04:46.01 | karlpinc | !apt-file |
| 04:46.01 | dpkg | i heard apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 04:46.32 | joshteam | karlpinc: that for me? |
| 04:47.19 | ajay | :( |
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| 04:54.08 | force | hi the hardware clock on this server seems to be way off, i have set it manually with hwclock --utc --set --date however when i run ntpdate pool.ntp.org, it will set it back to the wrong date. how can i resolve this so ntpdate does not set it back but uses the right time (timezone is correct) |
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| 04:54.26 | force | by 'this server' i mean the one im using ;) |
| 04:57.30 | [here] | anyone know why spim or xspim isn't in the repos? Its the assembly MIPS simulator |
| 04:57.49 | [here] | hell, maybe ill make a package and add it |
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| 04:59.22 | [here] | *cough*ARCH of all distros has it*cough* |
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| 05:01.04 | wols_ | force: set your machine to the proper timezone and utctime |
| 05:01.31 | wols_ | if it'S only the hardwareclock, utctime is set up wrongly |
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| 05:05.10 | force | well ive used tzselect & hwclock --utc --set --date "02/12/2010 3:50:00" |
| 05:05.52 | force | have i missed something else? |
| 05:06.55 | aburch | force: /etc/default/rcS: Is UTC set to yes? |
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| 05:08.30 | force | no but ill change that |
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| 05:08.54 | force | would that affect ntpdate pool.ntp.org setting the date incorrectly though when run manually and via cron |
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| 05:09.14 | force | aburch: correction it is set to yes in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 05:12.36 | force | ok for some reason it has started working correctly now |
| 05:12.43 | force | thanks guys |
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| 05:14.03 | LimCore | I get error: dpkg: error processing openjdk-6-jre-headless (--install) |
| 05:14.25 | LimCore | how to tell dpkg to ignore that and continue anyway? its a bug related to some not needed check or something done by java package |
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| 05:25.43 | dbbolton | does aptitude have an equivalent to "apt-get source" |
| 05:26.17 | nevyn | umm aptitude source? |
| 05:26.52 | dbbolton | umm no |
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| 05:27.28 | kk47 | dbbolton no |
| 05:27.35 | dbbolton | ok |
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| 05:32.02 | niriven | Ok well i decided to run debian stable, which im happier with however amd64 does not seem to have flash. Any way to install it? |
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| 05:32.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | !flash |
| 05:32.58 | dpkg | i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 05:36.47 | Infin1ty | niriven, there's an alpha version for 64bit, it works very well and i think it's preferred over using a wrapper which takes huge amount of mem/cpu |
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| 05:37.42 | Linux-CLI | hi |
| 05:37.43 | Linux-CLI | How do I make the following command list in reverse order? - find "$PWD" -follow -type f | sed -e "s|.|File:\t|" |
| 05:38.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | man sort |
| 05:38.04 | almark | hello I"m considering making a kernel with the real time patches from http://www.pengutronix.de/software/linux-rt/debian_en.html |
| 05:38.11 | almark | anyone know how stable they are? |
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| 05:39.32 | tonsofpcs | it depends how well you can balance the box |
| 05:39.53 | almark | could you give me some laymens terms perhaps lol |
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| 05:40.57 | tonsofpcs | i mean, i suppose you could add torsional and tensional suspension forces to stablize it... |
| 05:41.12 | almark | looks greatly puzzled |
| 05:41.13 | almark | lol |
| 05:42.34 | almark | all I need is the patch and the kernel and I just want to compile a rt kernel lol nothing more nothing less :) |
| 05:42.50 | almark | for my audio needs |
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| 05:44.45 | DogBoy | what audio needs |
| 05:46.47 | almark | Preferably Puredyne packages |
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| 05:47.36 | DogBoy | is that a tongue twister |
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| 05:48.31 | almark | (Rolf) |
| 05:48.34 | almark | lol |
| 05:48.39 | almark | I didn't mean to do that |
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| 05:48.42 | almark | PPP |
| 05:48.43 | almark | lol |
| 05:49.02 | DogBoy | I'm just curious what you plan to do with it almark |
| 05:49.03 | almark | I want realtime for use of things like Jackd qjack |
| 05:49.18 | DogBoy | yea ok |
| 05:49.31 | almark | I write music :) electronic and stuff |
| 05:49.33 | DogBoy | .:almark:. could you give me some laymens terms perhaps lol |
| 05:49.39 | almark | Im going to be using Renoise |
| 05:49.43 | DogBoy | I play electronic music on the radio |
| 05:49.55 | almark | really? what does the dj sound like? |
| 05:49.56 | almark | :) |
| 05:50.11 | DogBoy | sounds like me |
| 05:50.15 | almark | ah |
| 05:50.17 | almark | lol |
| 05:50.34 | almark | but really do you use ardour and stuff on your box? |
| 05:51.19 | DogBoy | what for |
| 05:51.24 | almark | what I'm really after is being able to use Renoise with jack that way I can stream all my tracks via Ardour and use dssi-vst with my huge amount of Free windows vstis |
| 05:51.55 | DogBoy | good luck |
| 05:51.56 | almark | for professional recording, though i'm just a laymen lol home musician |
| 05:52.11 | almark | thanks |
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| 05:54.56 | almark | I'm beginning to think no one in Debian uses a rt kernel lol |
| 05:55.11 | almark | I feel pretty weird asking about them |
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| 05:58.47 | jmarsden | almark: http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration& has some info on this. |
| 05:59.23 | almark | thanks jmarsden maybe I should make my questions more aimed so I dont' annoy the masses with them |
| 05:59.24 | almark | lolk |
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| 06:01.01 | Amarande | Doku ... that sounds like a cross between an old seven fruit blend juice drink and a Dragonball Z character. |
| 06:01.54 | DogBoy | even knowing about dragonball z is grounds for being fired into space |
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| 06:02.28 | Amarande | DogBoy: No. That's Dragonball GT. |
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| 06:07.39 | almark | jmarsden_ this site explains it all thank you :) |
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| 06:19.14 | jmarsden | almark: You're welcome. |
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| 06:21.57 | almark | :) |
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| 06:23.59 | WaterRatj | gnome or kde? |
| 06:27.28 | almark | WaterRatj_ are you asking me? |
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| 06:28.09 | WaterRatj | I'm asking anyone :p |
| 06:28.15 | almark | Gnome :) |
| 06:28.33 | nevyn | Catholic or prodestant? |
| 06:28.44 | almark | Alien or human? |
| 06:29.07 | almark | Sci Fi or TNT? |
| 06:29.13 | almark | ok I'll stop lol |
| 06:29.54 | nevyn | StarTrek or StarWars? |
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| 06:30.12 | almark | oh deff StarTrek :) :) |
| 06:30.33 | almark | which is what I"m watching actually at this time Star trek TNG |
| 06:30.48 | nevyn | babylon 5 |
| 06:31.04 | almark | Original or New series? |
| 06:31.12 | nevyn | TNG makes me want to throw will weaton out a airlock |
| 06:31.19 | almark | lol |
| 06:31.31 | almark | do they actually have an air lock on the ship? |
| 06:31.34 | almark | lol |
| 06:31.53 | almark | maybe its a Static Energy shield |
| 06:32.44 | almark | computers or law mowers |
| 06:33.06 | nevyn | law mowers.. |
| 06:33.18 | nevyn | an excellent solution to pesky lawyers. |
| 06:33.56 | almark | lol |
| 06:33.56 | nevyn | this channel is very quiet. |
| 06:34.01 | nevyn | like strangely quiet |
| 06:34.09 | almark | are we bored or having fun? |
| 06:34.11 | nevyn | it's omonous. |
| 06:34.15 | almark | indeed |
| 06:36.20 | almark | cable vs internet? |
| 06:37.08 | WaterRatj | Debian installer is giving issues |
| 06:37.18 | almark | the probability of having 744 ppl on one channel and just two speaking is not logical in any instance |
| 06:39.07 | jmarsden | WaterRatj: If you can ask a more specific question, or provide a specific error message, you stand a lot more chance of getting help. |
| 06:39.09 | jmarsden | !sicco |
| 06:39.10 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 06:40.13 | lazy^ | I've got Nvidia 9400M, should i use newest drivers from Nvidia page or from Squeezes repos ? |
| 06:41.01 | WaterRatj | Well i windows i ran the debian installer, rebooted, debian is lading but ask cdrom but i don't need cdrom its loading from hd? |
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| 06:44.16 | almark | you want to know something odd WaterRatj, just yesterday I installed the newest Debian from the site and burned a small cd, regular cd and I couldn't install Debian, the install failed but.. |
| 06:45.05 | WaterRatj | but? |
| 06:45.07 | almark | I thought hmm I will check the checksum on the disk with the ISO file and sure enough it was different so I burned another disk with DAO and it worked, have you verified your install disk |
| 06:45.16 | WaterRatj | lol |
| 06:45.20 | WaterRatj | Your not listening eh :D |
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| 06:45.29 | WaterRatj | I ran install from windows |
| 06:45.32 | WaterRatj | with the setu |
| 06:45.32 | WaterRatj | p |
| 06:45.40 | WaterRatj | i don't have cd-rom drive connected |
| 06:45.48 | almark | I don't do that I'm not fimilar with installing from windows :) |
| 06:46.15 | metasmv | WaterRatj, do you have a usb stick? |
| 06:46.20 | almark | I have a dual boot too with xp and linux |
| 06:46.48 | WaterRatj | metasmv yes but it wont boot from usb |
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| 06:47.32 | WaterRatj | if im in the installer, can it detect usb drives? |
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| 06:53.12 | cast | evening |
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| 06:54.01 | metasmv | WaterRatj, which installer? are you still in windows or you rebooted? i don't understand why it asks for cd. it should download everything. are you trying to run the expert install? |
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| 06:54.39 | WaterRatj | i ran setup.exe from the iso that was on my pc |
| 06:54.47 | WaterRatj | then it asked me few quesions |
| 06:54.49 | WaterRatj | rebooted |
| 06:54.56 | WaterRatj | then choose debian installer |
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| 07:03.55 | metasmv | WaterRatj, i think you should reboot back in windows, copy the installer from the iso to your C: partition, say C:/installer and then run it from there. chose the normal mode, then choose to install not to repair. |
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| 07:05.27 | WaterRatj | ill try that |
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| 07:05.53 | lazy^ | Anyone know about nvdia-vdpau |
| 07:06.14 | WaterRatj | I don't have a C:/ its D:// |
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| 07:07.32 | cast | and it's \ not / |
| 07:07.44 | WaterRatj | metasmv: i did it but says win32-loader.i |
| 07:07.48 | cast | likes pointing out how fucked up windows is |
| 07:07.53 | WaterRatj | cast: its only to explain |
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| 07:09.32 | Xorm | okay I'm still trying to build webcam driver modules |
| 07:09.33 | metasmv | WaterRatj, so Windows is installed in your D:\ drive? |
| 07:09.40 | WaterRatj | yes |
| 07:09.47 | Xorm | and I get this error when building GSPCA |
| 07:09.54 | Xorm | http://pastebin.com/m25960357 |
| 07:09.58 | Xorm | well these errors |
| 07:10.45 | metasmv | WaterRatj, then create a folder named installer in D:\ coppy the instaler into that folder and run it from there |
| 07:10.50 | Xorm | it looks suspiciously like http://pastebin.com/m3eedb632 << which happened when I was building a different module |
| 07:11.35 | WaterRatj | metasmv: i have a folder installer in D:\ with the cd extracted to it, still gives that win32 error |
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| 07:12.47 | metasmv | WaterRatj, delete the contents of that folder, get the installer only and put it into that folder, then try to run it again. |
| 07:13.07 | metasmv | WaterRatj, can you tell me where you got the installer from? |
| 07:13.27 | WaterRatj | i downloaded the cd, but when running from usb stick finds the file |
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| 07:14.32 | tralala | are there any tools for tagging files in debian? sort of debtags, but for arbitrary files? |
| 07:14.34 | metasmv | WaterRatj, which cd? |
| 07:14.55 | WaterRatj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 07:15.18 | cast | tralala: semirelated, you can use hardlinks to kinda simulate tagging |
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| 07:16.17 | metasmv | WaterRatj, also you said it won't boot from usb. how exactly you find out? did you changed the boot order in bios? |
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| 07:16.46 | WaterRatj | yes i enabled usb boot |
| 07:16.49 | tralala | cast, that would be rather laboursome |
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| 07:17.18 | almark | later all :) |
| 07:17.51 | metasmv | WaterRatj, and how did you prepare the usb? |
| 07:18.37 | cast | tralala: well, its "tagit file tagname" vs "ln file $TD/tagname/" |
| 07:19.44 | tralala | cast, for adding the tag. For deleting the file it will be an adventure. Also for searching by tags. |
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| 07:21.30 | cast | tralala: wouldnt searching by tag just be find $TD/tagname? |
| 07:23.17 | tralala | cast, for the contents of the file it will be. For the name of the file it won't. Anyway, it's a valid idea, but not what I'm looking for. |
| 07:23.58 | cast | tralala: grep would be file contents, find would be file name |
| 07:24.02 | cast | nods |
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| 07:27.50 | lazellama | Anyone around? |
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| 07:28.53 | cast | no |
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| 07:29.00 | cast | we're out at the moment |
| 07:29.10 | lazellama | lol |
| 07:29.16 | metasmv | !ask |
| 07:29.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:29.22 | lazellama | I have a server that Iwanted to backup. The 250GB sata drive was connected to a PCI to SATA card. I have another drive that isidentical. This is the drive I wanted to backup to. I took out my PCI to SATA card and put in another PCI toSATA card to mirror the drives. The purpose was that the first PCI SATA card only had one SATA port the second had for. After 3 hours of mirroring i reboot and I get "Volume Group not found". |
| 07:29.52 | lazellama | four* |
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| 07:30.19 | lazellama | I tired putting the original card back in with the original drive and same error. |
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| 07:31.28 | lazellama | I used hardware raid. |
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| 07:33.16 | Jck_true | How do I force in an unstable package to my "lenny" install, more specificly http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/bitlbee |
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| 07:34.22 | cast | Jck_true /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 07:39.23 | Jck_true | cast: Allright thanks.. I think I got it worked out now |
| 07:41.08 | metasmv | lazellama, i'd suggest you to try software raid, but i guess you already thought of that too. on the other hand, what gives you that error? are you trying to use the 2nd drive alone? it might be because of the raid type you used? on the third hand don't mind me, i never used raid... |
| 07:42.34 | cast | metasmv: what does that have to do with making a backup |
| 07:42.38 | lazellama | metasmv software raid will definately be my future choice but it doesn't help me now. After the mirroring i restarted and I got Volume group not found. |
| 07:43.32 | cast | lazellama: take a snapshot, copy snapshot onto your 2nd drive [tar, dd, dump, depends], would have been one way to take a backup |
| 07:43.35 | lazellama | I think it has something to do with letting debian know where the drive is or seomthing like my /dev/sda1 shit or whatever got messed uup |
| 07:44.00 | lazellama | well next time i will just use clonezilla or something but right now i need to get to the data. |
| 07:44.28 | lazellama | I just don;t underfuckingstand why SOMETHING CHANGED when i did a mirror. |
| 07:44.43 | cast | what do you mean by "did a mirror"? |
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| 07:45.03 | Jck_true | Awesome!! Debian rocks my socks :-) |
| 07:45.20 | lazellama | cast I did raid 1 |
| 07:45.28 | cast | lazellama: with? |
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| 07:45.48 | cast | i can think of 5 ways to setup raid 1 |
| 07:45.52 | lazellama | cast from the interface that is built into the pci to sata card |
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| 07:46.02 | cast | oh dear. |
| 07:46.19 | lazellama | cast that seems to be the popular response when i say that |
| 07:46.29 | lazellama | cast hardware raid=shit? |
| 07:46.39 | lazellama | i knew i shoulda just used clonezilla |
| 07:46.44 | lazellama | its so beautiful |
| 07:46.54 | cast | depends, but i advise software raid over hardware raid |
| 07:47.03 | lazellama | cast well what do u think happened? |
| 07:47.11 | lazellama | cast what could have changed? |
| 07:47.26 | cast | no idea, raid cards have variance between them |
| 07:47.34 | lazellama | fuck |
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| 07:48.39 | lazellama | I had my life on that server. and this entire process was so that if anything ever happened i would have an identical backup lol.. |
| 07:48.42 | lazellama | so much for that. |
| 07:48.53 | cast | well |
| 07:48.59 | cast | i'd boot off a livecd |
| 07:49.12 | cast | see what i could pull off |
| 07:49.34 | lazellama | cast rgr. |
| 07:50.15 | lazellama | cast for some reason i just believe it's something so simple that went wrong...that i just need to changed a line somewhere to say "look here instead" |
| 07:50.41 | cast | maybe it is |
| 07:51.10 | cast | you'll find out if you can mount your shit |
| 07:51.22 | lazellama | rgr. |
| 07:51.36 | lazellama | if i fix it SOFTWARE RAID next time. :) |
| 07:51.47 | lazellama | cast alrighty thx. i'monna get to work. |
| 07:52.05 | cast | nods |
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| 07:52.19 | cast | datas probably all still good, unless you mirrored the wrong way, so don't worry too much |
| 07:52.27 | cast | mirroring the wrong way is epic lulz |
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| 07:55.51 | nsvidas | Hello there. I'm rather puzzled. Even so much puzzeled I opened a "how to upgrade" website because system seems to be acting up on me. Why exactly doesn't aptitude do dist-upgrade? How can I figure stuff out? :< |
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| 07:58.03 | cast | nsvidas: aptitude does do dist-upgrade |
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| 08:01.02 | dark | nsvidas, I am sometimes puzzled by this too. I heard that the right way to upgrade from lenny to testing involves safe-upgrade and such |
| 08:01.21 | dark | I tried dist-upgrade and had to do some things manually |
| 08:01.25 | dark | because udev complained |
| 08:02.16 | dark | but in the end it worked, and I installed a lenny (stable) and I am now with a testing with a bit of sid (for a program or two) |
| 08:02.21 | bolt | !lenny->squeeze |
| 08:02.32 | bolt | bah |
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| 08:02.39 | dark | !testing |
| 08:02.39 | dpkg | [testing] a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 08:03.01 | dark | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 08:03.02 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Upgrading your kernel, rebooting then doing the safe-upgrade step might be a good plan at present. |
| 08:03.31 | dark | yeah. safe-upgrade then full-upgrade, nsvidas_ . it looks like it's not dist-upgrade anymore |
| 08:03.43 | dark | but i can't say for sure |
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| 08:04.07 | dark | yeeah |
| 08:04.16 | dark | I had exactly this udev problem |
| 08:04.20 | dark | dpkg, squeeze udev |
| 08:04.21 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
| 08:04.34 | cast | ahh, using non-stable releases. |
| 08:04.40 | dark | :) |
| 08:04.55 | nsvidas_ | dark: I'll try. Thank you |
| 08:05.03 | dark | but it is now solved and I am very happy with debian when it is working :D (as usual) |
| 08:05.13 | dark | "Upgrading your kernel, rebooting then doing the safe-upgrade step might be a good plan at present." |
| 08:05.32 | dark | maybe safe-upgrade will be .. safe just when squeeze are released |
| 08:05.35 | dark | :P |
| 08:05.44 | dark | but I am not sure |
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| 08:07.04 | dark | the thing is that the new kernel has the new udev as dependency and vice-versa, so you need to install them at same time.. and it will not let it happen while running in the old kernel. that's why safe-upgrade is needed |
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| 08:10.10 | Rezagrats | This is the second time i've installed debian on a machine i made and recieved 'Error 15: file not found' when booting up. |
| 08:10.44 | WaterRatj | Is it possible to install debian from within windows and using fiels from hdd? |
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| 08:11.18 | cast | WaterRatj: sure |
| 08:11.37 | WaterRatj | How exactly cause each time i try it looks for cdrom drive |
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| 08:14.17 | kripz | After updating my debian server, my windows PC cannot resolve my debian PC's hostname?? |
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| 08:16.17 | Posterdati | hi |
| 08:16.23 | kripz | How do i make a VNC session available when my server restarts? currently i have to always type tightvncserver to start a session/ |
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| 08:16.42 | kripz | ssh in and start a session |
| 08:16.44 | Posterdati | please I need help for debian on SPARC: xorg stopped to work I got freezes when trying to start X :( |
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| 08:17.44 | macrobat | Rezagrats |
| 08:18.25 | WaterRatj | cast: Any explanation? |
| 08:18.50 | Rezagrats | Macrobat? |
| 08:18.50 | macrobat | 21:46* macrobat | Rezagrats: root (hd0,2) and root=/dev/sdb1 don't match. what is your partition layout? |
| 08:19.41 | macrobat | if you give more info, you get better and faster answer :) |
| 08:19.49 | jmarsden | WaterRatj: Did you read the Installation Manual? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32 |
| 08:20.03 | macrobat | is it grub-legacy or grub2? |
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| 08:20.36 | WaterRatj | jmarsden: I ran setup.exe and rebooted and was in the installer , but still keeps looking for cdrom |
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| 08:21.19 | macrobat | a good grub legacy manual: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
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| 08:21.57 | Rezagrats | Macrobat, i'd tell you buy my machine decided to stop displaying anything. :\ |
| 08:23.03 | dzikasosna | hello, i just upgraded debian to testing and it seemed to change my touchpad scroll sensitivity as well as the key-press repeat delay in xorg. how can i restore previous settings? |
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| 08:24.08 | macrobat | you can reinstall grub with an install cd. or perhaps a live-cd is easier: http://grml.org/ |
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| 08:25.12 | metasmv | WaterRatj, i have no idea why it looks for the cd-rom; it shouldn't. on the other hand i'd recommend you to try a bit more to make that usb stick bootable and install from it. |
| 08:25.14 | Rezagrats | Macrobat: http://adam.pcriot.com/r/100_1386.JPG |
| 08:25.48 | macrobat | probably some miss with partitions, /etc/fstab or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:25.49 | Rezagrats | I'm 100% sure that i made my system EXT3. |
| 08:26.20 | macrobat | ext3 is an ext2 _type_ filesystem. nothing wrong with that |
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| 08:27.06 | jmarsden | WaterRatj: I think you can point it at a set of files on the HD, or at an ISO image, instead. I confess I've not tried the "Install from Windows" method... I don't think it is supposed to be looking for a CDROM... booting/installing from USB flash drive is more common. |
| 08:27.14 | macrobat | Rezagrats: is /boot on a separate partition? |
| 08:27.28 | Rezagrats | The only i seperated was /home |
| 08:27.34 | Rezagrats | The only thing* |
| 08:27.48 | macrobat | and no lvm or encrypted partitions? |
| 08:27.53 | Rezagrats | No. |
| 08:28.27 | kripz | How do i make a VNC session available when my server restarts? currently i have to always type tightvncserver to start a session/ |
| 08:29.22 | macrobat | Rezagrats: and you have 2 hdds? |
| 08:29.29 | Rezagrats | 4, macrobat. |
| 08:29.44 | Rezagrats | All different though. |
| 08:29.59 | Rezagrats | 250GB, 500GB, 640GB and a 1.5TB. |
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| 08:30.21 | macrobat | have you set labels on the partitions? or do you use UUID in menu.lst and /etc/fstab? |
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| 08:30.57 | Rezagrats | The only one that i don't know if it has a label or not is the one containing / (the 500GB) |
| 08:31.01 | WaterRatj | metasmv: how do i make a usb bootable debian from inside windows? |
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| 08:37.39 | metasmv | WaterRatj, try unetbootin. http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:40.39 | macrobat | Rezagrats: you know how grub names partitions? you go through /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab and see if the names match up with the partitions. maybe / should have a label too (that you use in those files) |
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| 08:47.01 | zrin | I want to reboot a remote system so I checked the root fs first (fsck -n /dev/mapper/vg-root) - it shows some errors like "Inode ... was part of the orphaned inode list (several) , "Deleted inode ... has zero dtime" (1), "Block bitmap differences" (several) and "Inode bitmap differences" (several) - is it possible to tell if the boot-time fsck will automatically repair it or if the bott... |
| 08:47.03 | zrin | ...process will stop? |
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| 08:49.49 | Rezagrats | Macrobat, i will try that as soon as i can find a livecd. |
| 08:50.01 | cast | zrin: eh, do you think fscking a fs in use is likely to cause...it to report invalidness? |
| 08:50.02 | macrobat | gl;hf :) |
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| 08:51.59 | zrin | cast: I don't ... fsck on a fs in use might still be right about fs problems |
| 08:52.56 | cast | zrin: "might", sure |
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| 08:54.27 | zrin | cast: I tried fsck -f -n on mounted root fs (all ext3) on two other systems - it didn't report any errors |
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| 08:55.42 | cast | zrin: -f being? |
| 08:56.00 | zrin | -f = force check |
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| 08:57.01 | cast | ahh, |
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| 09:16.43 | f3xy | Anyone know of a good way to popup a window when someone says meh name on irc? |
| 09:16.50 | f3xy | I was looking at zenity |
| 09:17.11 | f3xy | but I don't want to have to click anything and I want the window to just go away after a certain amount of time |
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| 09:18.14 | Vasistha | f3xy: well the solution is gonna depend on what client you're using. I use konversation, it has such a feature built in. |
| 09:18.25 | f3xy | I use irssi and screen ;) |
| 09:18.40 | f3xy | I have a perl script that will execute a command when I'm highlighted |
| 09:18.51 | f3xy | I just need something to display a window |
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| 09:20.11 | Vasistha | f3xy: that's also gonna depend on what wm / de you're using ... kde, gnome? |
| 09:20.27 | f3xy | oh sorry |
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| 09:20.30 | f3xy | I'm using gnome |
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| 09:22.26 | anao | Hello@ALL does avahi-daemon speed up the internal program communication of a PC? |
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| 09:23.06 | anao | i have setup Lenny with JWM+PCMANFM+LEAFPAD+ICEWEASEL |
| 09:23.25 | anao | to get the fastest Simple Desktop |
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| 09:24.03 | wejick | anao, I think avahi only handle the networking thing |
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| 09:25.12 | f3xy | http://avahi.org/ has a pretty good description on the front page |
| 09:25.16 | f3xy | ;) |
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| 09:25.43 | anao | hello wejick, yes but it seem if i use no DHCP IP on a Laptop, i add manual the hardcoded IP to hosts, and test Lenny with and without avahi that with avahi the Desktop reacts faster (X-server) too |
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| 09:26.44 | anao | if i do not enter my 192.168.XXX.XXX into hosts the Xserver need much longer |
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| 09:27.21 | anao | it seems local avahi mDNS speedup |
| 09:27.36 | wejick | hmm, i dunno |
| 09:28.03 | f3xy | you are statically assigning your IP and not using DNS? |
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| 09:28.19 | f3xy | err dhcp |
| 09:28.36 | f3xy | needs a cigarette |
| 09:28.59 | anao | i use alway static IP+DNS |
| 09:29.22 | wejick | anao, u mean /etc/hosts? |
| 09:29.28 | anao | all fixed on my externel Home Bind9-DNS-Server |
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| 09:30.07 | anao | yes /etc/hosts, by default only localhost is inside 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 |
| 09:30.37 | anao | if i add 192..lines then Xserver reacts faster |
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| 09:30.58 | wejick | anao, if you use Bind dns server no need to add hostname at /etc/hosts |
| 09:31.36 | wejick | how much the differens |
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| 09:32.26 | anao | xserver startup is 1-2 seconds faster, and with avahi, the desktop windows starts faster too |
| 09:32.30 | anao | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Avahi-Architecture-Overview.svg |
| 09:32.54 | anao | this image is good, it shows data path |
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| 09:33.31 | anao | i use older slower laptops 1300Mhz |
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| 09:34.40 | anao | i made tests with gnome install on lenny, but using JWM at login |
| 09:35.04 | wejick | hmm |
| 09:35.27 | anao | and i was confused about diffrent speed, then i installet lenny new (net install) and added avahi |
| 09:36.05 | anao | this seems a faster for me |
| 09:36.55 | anao | i try to find out more |
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| 09:37.33 | anao | later i setup Opera and Chrome-Browser (Kioskmode) for my kids |
| 09:37.44 | anao | chrome is much faster |
| 09:37.46 | anao | too |
| 09:37.52 | Vasistha | f3xy: you'll probably want to start with irc.gnome.org they'll probably be more helpful for finding ways of putting something up on the screen in gnome. |
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| 09:41.45 | anao | another question, ubuntu uses at single mode a recovery dialog if user boot into single mode is this available for debian too? |
| 09:42.58 | Vasistha | anao: uh... I don't know exactly what you're referring to, but ... maybe? I dunno. single-user mode is often referred to as maintenance mode. |
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| 09:43.28 | SolarisBoy | ubuntu puts it in the menulist =) |
| 09:43.43 | nkuttler | debian too |
| 09:43.50 | SolarisBoy | and there you have it |
| 09:43.51 | anao | single mode at ubuntu 9.10 shows a root-repair blue dialog box |
| 09:43.52 | nkuttler | anao: last time i checked you simply get a shell |
| 09:44.52 | Vasistha | I'm fairly certain ubuntu inherited a lot of this stuff from debian |
| 09:45.36 | anao | some features of ubuntu are ok, but ubuntu is far away from debian now, i think same problem like M$ always blown up OS's |
| 09:47.10 | Vasistha | anao: the main problem with ubuntu in my mind is that they wandered away from the integrity of the debian package archive. They use the dpkg system and deb format, but the people maintaining the archives are not nearly as careful as the debian package maintainers. |
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| 09:48.03 | Vasistha | so it becomes much easier to break your system without really realizing it. I speak not from experience but from what little I've garnered here and there... I might be off the mark. |
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| 09:49.20 | cast | i found ubuntu broke itself' |
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| 09:53.03 | Vasistha | cast: yeah, that's a lot more likely, too -- again, when the archive maintainers are not careful, they're much likelier to hand you something that will break your system as a part of routine updates. debian has famous stability because of the care taken by the package and archive maintainers |
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| 10:09.38 | maxagaz_ | is there a command to get the uid of a user from its id ? |
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| 10:11.07 | tralala | grep userid /etc/passwd |
| 10:11.10 | themill | maxagaz_: the currently logged in user will have $UID and $EUID set in their shell. |
| 10:11.17 | themill | maxagaz_: failing that, getent passwd $USER | awk -F: '{print $3}' |
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| 10:11.42 | themill | inserts some ldap users into tralala's system |
| 10:12.11 | tralala | okay, I repend - getent |
| 10:12.29 | maxagaz_ | themill, thanks! getent passwd 1334 | awk -F: '{print $1}' |
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| 10:15.13 | themill | maxagaz_: for future reference, the uid is the number and the login name (logname, username) is the alphanumeric string. (hence me answering your question backwards) |
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| 10:18.39 | maxagaz_ | What is the correct syntax to use awk in another awk in this (quote problem): awk '{cmd="getent passwd "$1" | awk -F: '{print $1}'"; cmd | getline getent;close(cmd);print getent}' ? |
| 10:18.44 | maxagaz_ | sorry |
| 10:18.48 | maxagaz_ | wrong channel |
| 10:19.54 | doc42 | in ETCH the was an -A option for locate (match all arguments). Is there any possibility to do this in Lenny without doing something like locate -i word1 | grep -i word2. something more elegant ... |
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| 10:20.12 | telmich | good morning |
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| 10:20.56 | pierre_le | hi |
| 10:21.02 | telmich | I'm wondering whether there's some way to tell apt/dpkg not to start a service by default, when installing it. I went through the debian-policy, but without finding the answer. |
| 10:21.15 | telmich | Do you have a pointer where to search? |
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| 10:21.39 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 10:21.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, policy-rc.d is a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt |
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| 10:22.53 | pierre_le | update-rd.d |
| 10:22.58 | pierre_le | update-rc.d |
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| 10:23.17 | manhunter | when will we get debian squeeze ? |
| 10:23.21 | manhunter | which month? |
| 10:23.27 | telmich | themill: thank's a lot |
| 10:23.31 | themill | np |
| 10:23.38 | themill | manhunter: /msg dpkg wwsr ; /msg dpkg siyh |
| 10:23.43 | metasmv | WaterRatj, it worked? |
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| 10:25.10 | WaterRatj | metasmv, have a external cdrom drive now :D, will try later, first farmatting my hdd's |
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| 10:26.00 | manhunter | themill: any idea? |
| 10:26.00 | Arafangion | How do I configure my DVD drive to automatically unmount when I press the 'eject' button, while allowing it to also mount automatically? |
| 10:26.02 | metasmv | WaterRatj, sounds good. |
| 10:26.05 | manhunter | themill: which month? |
| 10:26.20 | manhunter | can't get the answer |
| 10:26.33 | manhunter | guess |
| 10:26.53 | Vasistha | !wir |
| 10:26.54 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 10:27.06 | tralala | Arafangion, in gnome it just works that way. Must be some hal related stuff. |
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| 10:29.00 | Arafangion | tralala: Curious. |
| 10:29.32 | F15ch3r | hello |
| 10:29.54 | Arafangion | F15ch3r: Hello, wierd one. |
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| 10:30.20 | F15ch3r | is there a good documentation about how to setup an L2TP/Ipsec vpn connection ? |
| 10:30.28 | F15ch3r | Arafangion, haha why ? |
| 10:30.47 | Arafangion | F15ch3r: What's with the numbers in your nick? |
| 10:30.59 | F15ch3r | it simply means Fischer |
| 10:31.11 | F15ch3r | the best chess player of all the time.. |
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| 10:31.52 | F15ch3r | I play and study chess everyday.. plus I am a sys admin so I took his nick with some special changes ;) |
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| 10:32.13 | tralala | F15ch3r, does it have to be ipsec or any vpn will do? |
| 10:32.16 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 10:32.45 | F15ch3r | tralala, for other vpn it works fine.. I simply need this one |
| 10:33.21 | F15ch3r | I did a test laboratory of vpn connections.. now I am in l2tp step |
| 10:33.41 | F15ch3r | the aim is to block all this type of vpn |
| 10:33.49 | MaxFrames | I need some help figuring out how to configure a Debian 5 computer for remote control via VNC; I've tried to follow a tutorial and installed tightvncserver, but I am unable to connect to it. Can you give me some directions? |
| 10:34.17 | tralala | F15ch3r, that should be easy - ipsec has a distinct protocol number |
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| 10:35.40 | F15ch3r | tralala, yes I know but we can't trust blocking connections by port number or even protocol.. |
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| 10:37.44 | RichiH | i have a dd of entire disk in an image file. said image contains partition table etc as well as three partitions, one of which is xfs. what is the best way to have xfs_repair etc operate on the copy? |
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| 10:38.45 | petemc | RichiH: use kpartx on it and the partitions will be available in /dev/mapper/ |
| 10:40.19 | MaxFrames | doesn't VNC server listen on port 5900 by default? What's the correct command to start the server? |
| 10:40.45 | RichiH | ah, good point |
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| 10:40.58 | RichiH | petemc: thanks |
| 10:41.03 | petemc | np |
| 10:41.35 | troubled | RichiH: while im accidently in all my channels again, hola ;) |
| 10:42.27 | MaxFrames | I've followed this tutorial here: http://www.lizardking.biz/2009/02/tightvnc-on-debian-linux/ => but I cannot connect to the VNC server |
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| 10:43.21 | MaxFrames | I'm using tightvnc client from a winxp computer and there is no firewall blocking connections between the two computers... tightvnc client says the server did not respond |
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| 10:47.45 | pierre_le | MaxFrames, just run: Xvnc :20 -geometry 1024x768 -depth 16 |
| 10:48.10 | MaxFrames | so, no need to install additional stuff? |
| 10:48.24 | pierre_le | MaxFrames, no. |
| 10:48.35 | Arafangion | MaxFrames: Only if you want to take advantage of -encoding=tight |
| 10:49.10 | pierre_le | MaxFrames, no. in client , specify the screen x.x.x.x:20 |
| 10:49.22 | pierre_le | or x.x.x.x::20 |
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| 10:49.35 | MaxFrames | what's the ":20"? a port? or a desktop? |
| 10:50.01 | pierre_le | by default it's a desktop. try with :: |
| 10:50.10 | Arafangion | MaxFrames: A "display". |
| 10:50.26 | Arafangion | MaxFrames: It's an X11 thing. You might well choose to have several nested displays, etc. |
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| 10:51.11 | Zbyshek | WTF is this: |
| 10:51.12 | Zbyshek | tcp6 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 :::* LISTEN 1052/pdnsd |
| 10:51.30 | MaxFrames | thanks, I'll try now |
| 10:51.31 | Zbyshek | how can I connect to pdnsd on 127.0.0.1 from any IPv6 addresses? |
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| 10:52.37 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, pdnsd is compiled with ipv6, but it should be listening on ipv4 as well |
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| 10:53.59 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: I run it with -6 option and interface = any in conf file... thus it should not be listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:54.15 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: and I can't connect from any other IPv6 host to it |
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| 10:54.47 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, stupid question, but did you restart it after changing the config? |
| 10:55.07 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: sure... i tried now with interface = eth0 now ... still same |
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| 10:55.53 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, and i take it the server has both an ipv4 and ipv6 address? |
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| 10:56.21 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: Yes |
| 10:56.54 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: funny, that even without the -6 option in default it listens only on 127.0.0.1 |
| 10:58.10 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, could you post your pdnsd.conf on pastebin? |
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| 10:58.57 | zamba | i'm having problems with my pppoe connection.. it can be stable for a while, but then it suddenly drops.. |
| 10:59.00 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/m4fbd8901 |
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| 10:59.08 | schmrz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:59.34 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: No special configuration. during dpkg-configure put resolvconf option + added -6 option and these interface directive |
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| 11:00.05 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, well then i have no idea why it's not working |
| 11:00.28 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: it is, but only on localhost connections |
| 11:00.39 | izua | hello, i have a gentoo install on my box. i have a separate partition i'd like to play a bit with debian (mainly test if some special printer drivers and lm_sensors work out of the box), but i don't have a cd drive on that box, nor i can get one. is there any way i can install debian on that partition from the (currently running) gentoo? |
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| 11:00.46 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: no idea how to force it to listen on public IP |
| 11:00.48 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, which is not desired |
| 11:01.00 | pix_ | Does onyone know why setting all_squash in /etc/exports would not work with nfs4 ? |
| 11:01.05 | schmrz | Anyone? |
| 11:01.09 | cydork | schmrz, check /msg dpkg grubrecover |
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| 11:01.23 | schmrz | cydork: yes, sir! just a sec... |
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| 11:02.24 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, did you try server_ip=any or server_ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ? |
| 11:02.38 | schmrz | cydork: I have tried this before but not with the shell. |
| 11:02.43 | schmrz | Will check it out now. |
| 11:03.29 | schmrz | cydork: Just one question. On this wiki there's this line: |
| 11:03.31 | schmrz | root (hd0,3) //assuming your root partition is /dev/sda3 |
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| 11:03.40 | schmrz | Isn't (hd0,3) == /dev/sda4 ? |
| 11:03.59 | TheAvatar | Is it possible to tell tripwire only to email out a report, if there's any problems, rather than just sending a report saying "everything is OK!" ? |
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| 11:04.33 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, run_ipv4=(on|off); If pdnsd was compiled with both IPv4 and IPv6 support, and you want to include IPv6 addresses in the configuration file, you will probably need to specify run_ipv4=off first to ensure that the IPv6 addresses are parsed correctly. |
| 11:04.46 | cydork | schmrz, it's just a example i guess. |
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| 11:05.01 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, assuming you have an IPv6 address, that is not localhost |
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| 11:05.14 | schmrz | cydork: Nevermind... |
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| 11:07.54 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: I have now only IPv4 mode, interface=any and pdnsd status shows: Server ip (0.0.0.0=any available one): 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:08.42 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, then i suspect pdnsd on localhost is mearly a symptom, and the problem lies somewhere in your ip config |
| 11:08.43 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: same with server_ip = any; |
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| 11:10.34 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: Normal interfaces file with couple static and dynamic IPs ;-) |
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| 11:11.05 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: but it is working neither on notebook where I use network manager |
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| 11:11.51 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, and you can't get it to listen on ipv4 eth0, even if you turn off ipv6? |
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| 11:12.13 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: correct |
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| 11:12.41 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, did you compile pdnsd yourself? |
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| 11:12.52 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: no |
| 11:13.00 | Zbyshek | standard debian package |
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| 11:13.13 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, well then i am out of ideas |
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| 11:13.34 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: It does work for you and listen on any other IP than localhost? |
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| 11:13.49 | blaze_revo | i am a beginner in linux......... how can i install qt4 in debian |
| 11:14.32 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, yes /usr/sbin/pdnsd --daemon -p /var/run/pdnsd.pid; tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 9518/pdnsd |
| 11:15.05 | Zbyshek | OK, let me try to run it manual way, not by initscript |
| 11:15.09 | Nielsen | Zbyshek, and ofc udp and unix socket |
| 11:15.46 | blaze_revo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.37 | Nielsen | blaze_revo, search for qt4 in your package manager ;) |
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| 11:19.28 | blaze_revo | i installed it using the package manager but its not working |
| 11:20.31 | Zbyshek | Nielsen: thanks for good hint... that's really problem if the IPs... but I can't find out why.. |
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| 11:22.58 | blaze_revo | i installed it using the package manager but its not working |
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| 11:24.51 | blaze_revo | whether we get qt by typing apt-get install on terminal |
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| 11:25.04 | schmrz | Hi, I have tried recovering the GRUB from the debian install cd but I'm getting an error with chroot. It can't mount the partition as root. Something about exec format :S |
| 11:25.12 | octane | ~/.bashrc indicates the home directory? |
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| 11:25.49 | octane | wait no |
| 11:25.49 | octane | ~ is just the general path |
| 11:26.23 | schmrz | Hi, I have tried recovering the GRUB from the debian install cd but I'm getting an error with chroot. It can't mount the partition as root. Something about exec format :S (sorry if this is reposting, I don't see the whole question on my client) |
| 11:26.58 | octane | confirm ffs |
| 11:27.00 | octane | lol |
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| 11:29.28 | schmrz | Anyone? |
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| 11:33.03 | Nielsen | sorry, i must have missed the part of your statement that was a question |
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| 11:34.23 | FrankSinatra | Hello |
| 11:34.26 | FrankSinatra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ |
| 11:34.31 | FrankSinatra | it's ugly :s |
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| 11:35.26 | Nielsen | FrankSinatra, your point is? |
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| 11:36.09 | babilen | schmrz: Could it be that your boot CD's architecture does not match the one of the installed system? |
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| 11:36.27 | cgc | hi everyone |
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| 11:37.36 | schmrz | babilen: Yup... Shoot me! |
| 11:37.44 | babilen | !lart schmrz |
| 11:37.44 | dpkg | cats /dev/urandom into schmrz's ear |
| 11:37.56 | schmrz | ouch |
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| 11:38.30 | babilen | schmrz: I would get a good Live CD (grml, knoppix, Debian Live, ...) and '/msg dpkg fixmbr' |
| 11:38.42 | lxsameer | is it a good idea to replace the python2.5 with 2.6 from repo in squeeze ? |
| 11:38.47 | Nielsen | damn i love this channel. So many new users |
| 11:39.07 | babilen | lxsameer: You don't have to replace it. Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 11:39.20 | cgc | does anyone know all of the files/directories that are needed when moving the apt cache into ram (/dev/shm)? |
| 11:39.23 | lxsameer | babilen: squeez |
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| 11:39.46 | lxsameer | babilen: does making symlllllink work fine ? |
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| 11:39.49 | schmrz | babilen: Thanks... May the force be with you! |
| 11:39.56 | babilen | lxsameer: You can just install the python2.6 packages - And *don't* remove the python2.5 packages. They can and should be installed in parallel |
| 11:40.04 | babilen | schmrz: Good luck |
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| 11:40.44 | babilen | lxsameer: That way 'python' will execute 'python2.5' and you'll have to call 'python2.6' explicitly for py2.6 |
| 11:40.45 | schmrz | Babilen: One more question... I need a 64bit live cd too, right? |
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| 11:40.55 | babilen | schmrz: Yeah |
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| 11:41.14 | schmrz | Download in progress... |
| 11:41.16 | schmrz | bye-bye |
| 11:41.17 | schmrz | :) |
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| 11:44.17 | schmrz | Babilen: Sorry, one more... Can I use the netinst amd64 image to recover grub? |
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| 11:45.11 | babilen | schmrz: Sure - The procedure is explained in the 'fixmbr' factoid from dpkg |
| 11:45.17 | babilen | !tell schmrz -about fixmbr |
| 11:45.26 | schmrz | Thanks! |
| 11:45.51 | babilen | schmrz: But a full-blown live CD might be more useful ... |
| 11:46.05 | babilen | (later that is) |
| 11:46.08 | digk | hi, i'm facing issue to set my DNS on a Debian Lenny with mydns web server. Anyone could help me ? |
| 11:46.26 | babilen | just ask your question ;-) |
| 11:46.47 | schmrz | babilen: Yeah, I had tons of them. Gave them to friends and friends of friends... |
| 11:47.13 | babilen | digk: There is a #mydns channel as well - You might want to ask in there too |
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| 11:47.47 | digk | ok babilen i shall go and ask there |
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| 11:49.32 | digk | i'll shoot my question here as well and see. I have set my DNS using IPConfig 3 (NS / MX / A) and so on but when i do a checkzone, i got a fatal error about my Second DNS |
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| 11:50.09 | babilen | digk: Could you paste that error? (I have no experiences with mydns - but it might help) |
| 11:50.23 | babilen | digk: To a pastebin like http://paste.debian.org |
| 11:50.59 | digk | i'm a newbie to linux world |
| 11:51.44 | digk | checkzone is a website tool given by domain name registar to check error for DNS setup. here is my erreur sorry some french in it : [TEST présence d'un enregistrement SOA]: DNS Timeout |
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| 11:52.45 | xand | why does gddrescue install in /sbin and not /bin? |
| 11:52.51 | xand | it doesn't need to be run as root |
| 11:53.14 | babilen | digk: Could you try another DNS server as primary/secondary .. 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.4 might be worth a try |
| 11:53.43 | digk | the primary one is ok this is the scondary one that is giving a time out |
| 11:54.29 | digk | but i have set my domain name using the primary and secondary to the registar with the DNS information given by registar so i'm sure the DNS are ok |
| 11:55.27 | digk | when i do a dig, here is the output : |
| 11:55.28 | digk | ; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> ns task-this.com ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18153 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;task-this.com.INNS ;; ANSWER SECTION: task-this.com.23845INNSsdns1.ovh.net. task-this.com.23845INNSns310444.ovh.net. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: ns310444.ovh.net.78356INA188.165.201.142 |
| 11:57.26 | \amethyst | digk: here's the problem: try dig task-this.com @sdns1.ovh.net |
| 11:57.44 | \amethyst | digk: the secondary DNS for your domain doesn't know about your domain |
| 11:58.02 | \amethyst | digk: the primary DNS does |
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| 11:59.22 | digk | so means that my registar has propagated the information about the secondary DNS assigned to my domain name ? I have done the setting around 2 days ago |
| 11:59.37 | digk | has not propagated (sorry) |
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| 12:00.28 | \amethyst | digk: I was thinking it means the secondary DNS isn't properly configured. |
| 12:00.50 | digk | it's my thought as well |
| 12:01.23 | digk | since the server is having ISPConfig 3 i used it to set the primary and secondary DNS information. But i can't figure out where the issue is |
| 12:01.34 | \amethyst | digk: the server names reported by dig are the same as those in the whois |
| 12:01.47 | \amethyst | digk: I would expect the problem is with sdns1.ovh.net |
| 12:01.57 | \amethyst | digk: it should have an entry for your domain, but does not |
| 12:02.16 | \amethyst | digk: either that or you just picked a DNS server out of the blue that has no reason to know about you |
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| 12:03.55 | digk | in fact my registar provide me with the primary and secondary DNS. I have assigned to my task-this.com domain name the sdns1.ovh.net DNS to it using the registar web form |
| 12:04.36 | digk | i have check using a whois that the both DNS were correct or am i missing something |
| 12:04.48 | \amethyst | digk: and that was the secondary DNS the registrar provided? It sounds like you need to contact your registrar and tell them it's not working |
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| 12:05.11 | digk | ok, i'll do that |
| 12:05.18 | digk | thank you for the support |
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| 12:06.31 | digk | just to make sure i do not make mistake with the whois feedback |
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| 12:06.35 | digk | Domain Name: TASK-THIS.COM Registrar: OVH Whois Server: whois.ovh.com Referral URL: http://www.ovh.com Name Server: NS310444.OVH.NET Name Server: SDNS1.OVH.NET |
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| 12:06.48 | StuckMojo | so...i installed a few things i like in the 32 root, any way i can get a list of the installed packages there without booting into it? |
| 12:06.52 | StuckMojo | oops |
| 12:07.17 | StuckMojo | anyone know how to get a list of the packages installed on a system if you're not booted into it? i.e. you have the root drive mounted under a different install? |
| 12:07.28 | digk | so the DNS are correct. It is what i do understand by checking the whois output |
| 12:07.29 | StuckMojo | better phrasing |
| 12:07.46 | StuckMojo | i thought this might be it: /var/lib/apt/extended_states, but now i don't think so |
| 12:07.52 | \amethyst | digk: well, assuming that is the secondary name server they told you to use |
| 12:08.14 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 12:08.21 | digk | ok, i'll see that with them. Have a nice day |
| 12:08.27 | StuckMojo | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 12:08.33 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: but you can use dpkg --root /my/chroot as well |
| 12:08.35 | StuckMojo | now i remember it |
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| 12:11.32 | StuckMojo | \amethyst: ah thanks, that --root worked perfectly |
| 12:11.34 | StuckMojo | i |
| 12:12.00 | StuckMojo | i've got 32bit in one lvm2 lv and 64bit in another, and i'm sharing /home in a 3rd |
| 12:12.10 | StuckMojo | want to have the same packages installed in both |
| 12:12.18 | StuckMojo | or at least as close as possible |
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| 12:14.27 | \amethyst | !clone |
| 12:14.27 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 12:15.00 | \amethyst | !debian clone |
| 12:15.00 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
| 12:15.05 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: ^^ |
| 12:15.50 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: though the apt-get dselect-upgrade will need to run in the new OS |
| 12:15.57 | StuckMojo | cool |
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| 12:18.48 | dark | dpkg, aptitude clone |
| 12:18.48 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
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| 12:19.21 | dark | but there may have restrictions in the number of parameters xargs can schedule |
| 12:19.34 | dark | will it work if it overflow? |
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| 12:20.08 | dark | --schedule-only will permit me to add packages in two or more command |
| 12:20.23 | dark | and then i will install with the single aptitude install in the end |
| 12:20.24 | dark | right? |
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| 12:20.32 | StuckMojo | i had problems with the reinstall instructions because of that |
| 12:20.38 | StuckMojo | too many args for xargs |
| 12:20.53 | dark | i am reading the --schedule-only, cool |
| 12:21.51 | niklaswe | hmm is it someone more here som has problem to complie vmware-server 2.0.2 on kernel 2.6.3x ? |
| 12:22.01 | StuckMojo | dark: yeah i didn't know about that option |
| 12:22.27 | dark | vmware-server actually provides a code to be compiled? |
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| 12:23.14 | StuckMojo | yeah, the kernel module |
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| 12:26.59 | niklaswe | i got this error when i trying to install vmware-server 2.0.2 http://www.allow.se/vmware-complie-error.txt |
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| 12:31.27 | StuckMojo | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vmware-any-any&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq= |
| 12:31.53 | StuckMojo | niklaswe: you could try that |
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| 12:33.58 | WormFood | anyone know off hand where the samba password file is hidden? |
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| 12:34.12 | niklaswe | StuckMojo: will look on that.. |
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| 12:36.57 | \amethyst | WormFood: /var/lib/samba/*.tdb |
| 12:37.54 | StuckMojo | niklaswe: or just check out VirtualBox, it's just as good |
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| 12:39.03 | WormFood | thanks \amethyst |
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| 12:44.45 | mattmatt | I am just starting an etch to lenny upgrade and doing "apt-get install apt" gives me an error "WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. |
| 12:44.46 | mattmatt | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! |
| 12:44.46 | mattmatt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.46 | mattmatt | " is this normal? |
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| 12:46.38 | mattmatt | Hi I am just starting an etch to lenny upgrade and doing an "apt-get install apt" I am getting an error about essential packages util-linux and tzdata being removed is this normal? |
| 12:49.40 | wols_ | !etch->lenny |
| 12:50.07 | wols_ | mattmatt: it is not normal to get errors |
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| 12:50.40 | wols_ | mattmatt: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 12:51.17 | mattmatt | yes wols etch > lenny |
| 12:52.40 | wols_ | mattmatt: I gave you a command to type. do it |
| 12:52.57 | mattmatt | exact message is warning: the following essential packages will be removed. this should not be done unless you know exactly what you are doing "util-linux txdata" |
| 12:53.01 | mattmatt | ok sorry |
| 12:53.14 | StuckMojo | thanks folks |
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| 12:53.35 | wols_ | dpkg: you're a lzay piece of shit |
| 12:53.35 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, wols_ |
| 12:54.39 | babilen | wols_: ! and '->' don't mix well - You have to do 'dpkg: etch->lenny' Don't know why :-) |
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| 12:55.05 | mattmatt | yeah was about to say didnt work |
| 12:55.08 | mattmatt | will try that |
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| 12:55.41 | wols_ | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 12:55.42 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 12:55.52 | niklaswe | StuckMojo: this solved the problem http://radu.cotescu.com/2009/10/30/how-to-install-vmware-server-2-0-x-on-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/ |
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| 12:57.41 | mattmatt | those command didnt work |
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| 12:57.57 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 12:57.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 12:58.03 | babilen | mattmatt: Could you paste the error please? |
| 12:58.07 | mattmatt | i have changed all the sources list and going through the upgrade notes on debian.org, |
| 12:58.25 | wols_ | mattmatt: you are not supposed to change the soiurces.list entries. have you read the factoid? |
| 12:58.32 | mattmatt | how do i paste? i got kicked last time |
| 12:58.40 | wols_ | paste.debian.net |
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| 13:00.41 | mattmatt | http://paste.debian.net/59648 |
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| 13:01.27 | wols_ | mattmatt: you did not read the factoid. can you finally please do it? |
| 13:01.43 | wols_ | NEVER you need to install apt. |
| 13:01.57 | mattmatt | ok I will, where is it plse? |
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| 13:02.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.28 | mattmatt | I am working through this doc http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#backup |
| 13:02.33 | wols_ | I won't say it a third time. heck it's shown inside a channel |
| 13:02.41 | babilen | It's in the release notes .. |
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| 13:02.57 | babilen | mattmatt: Use aptitude and follow the factoid please |
| 13:03.02 | mattmatt | I appreciate your help wols just new here and working it all out thanks |
| 13:03.12 | babilen | !tell mattmatt -about etch->lenny |
| 13:03.16 | wols_ | no you don't follow that. nowhere there does it say for you to install apt, does it? |
| 13:03.25 | mattmatt | yes it does |
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| 13:03.46 | mattmatt | it says if u have apt installed then upgrade it and aptitude first |
| 13:03.47 | xerophyte | deos anybody know why does the apt-get hangs saying Processing triggers for man-db ? |
| 13:04.21 | babilen | mattmatt: You are referring to 4.5.4 in the release notes, don't you? Just do 'aptitude install aptitude' please |
| 13:04.54 | babilen | xerophyte: Hangs indefinitely? |
| 13:04.57 | wols_ | xerophyte: what makes you think it hangs when it simply works? |
| 13:05.03 | mattmatt | yes correct babilen |
| 13:05.12 | mattmatt | i will try |
| 13:05.20 | adb | babilen, clear bot message will help also .. |
| 13:05.43 | babilen | adb: huh? |
| 13:06.14 | wols_ | babilen: it is very clear: make sure your etch is up to date, update sources.list, install newest apt |
| 13:06.25 | wols_ | adb is just a bit confused |
| 13:06.26 | xerophyte | babilen: its there for last 20 minutes .. i don't have strace installed i need to use the apt-get to install strace too :) |
| 13:06.27 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.43 | wols_ | xerophyte: pstree or ps should tell you where it hangs |
| 13:06.50 | babilen | xerophyte: Cancel it and run it again - Which version of Debian is this? |
| 13:06.56 | xerophyte | lenny |
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| 13:07.16 | xerophyte | wols_: i did .. when i install somethin git always hangs on that poing |
| 13:07.34 | wols_ | xerophyte: and what exactly does hang? |
| 13:07.38 | mattmatt | http://paste.debian.net/59649 |
| 13:07.55 | mattmatt | that is much better babilen thanks |
| 13:08.01 | babilen | mattmatt: :-D |
| 13:08.07 | xerophyte | wols_: its says Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 13:08.08 | babilen | mattmatt: Just follow the factoid |
| 13:08.14 | xerophyte | wols and stays there forever |
| 13:08.25 | mattmatt | ok will do thanks again |
| 13:08.31 | xerophyte | babilen: i did many time its always hangs saying Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 13:08.32 | mattmatt | thanks wols |
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| 13:09.51 | wols_ | xerophyte: then you didn't do what I said (or answer my question) |
| 13:10.06 | wols_ | ps doesn't say "Processing triggers for man-db" does it? |
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| 13:10.51 | wols_ | mattmatt: you should have updated your etch. that might help. but telling aptitutde to go ahead should work |
| 13:11.21 | xerophyte | wols_: ps ? |
| 13:11.22 | mattmatt | I did a aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 13:11.35 | mattmatt | then changed sources |
| 13:11.44 | wols_ | xerophyte: man ps |
| 13:11.47 | xerophyte | wols_: i am not getting what are you looking for root 5002 0.0 1.4 31152 14768 pts/1 S+ 13:00 0:00 apt-get install pcregrep libpcre++-dev |
| 13:11.50 | xerophyte | root 5025 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Zs 13:00 0:00 [dpkg] <defunct> |
| 13:11.55 | wols_ | xerophyte: no I don't |
| 13:11.57 | mattmatt | now aptitude update and aptitude upgrade aptitude |
| 13:12.22 | xerophyte | wols_: ps will not give you any info why is hanging .. strace might give you some |
| 13:12.33 | wols_ | xerophyte: apt doesn't fudge with man-db. something else does |
| 13:12.44 | mattmatt | why doest the debian.org doc say to do a dist upgrade before the sources list change? |
| 13:12.45 | wols_ | it will when you read it right |
| 13:12.51 | wols_ | including a commandline for it |
| 13:13.10 | xerophyte | wols_: what do you read it right? |
| 13:13.22 | wols_ | xerophyte: I can't read what I don't see |
| 13:13.35 | wols_ | easiest to use is pstree |
| 13:14.04 | mattmatt | wols_: do you think I should wind back the sources list to etch and do a dist upgrade? |
| 13:14.11 | xerophyte | wols_: anyways i am sure ps will nto give info about hanging ..but strace ps only will tell you what state the prog s there like above dpkg is defunct and Zs but it will not give any detail |
| 13:14.45 | wols_ | mattmatt: only if you haven't installed anything yet. if you did, going ahead and letting apt install the new apt should be OK |
| 13:14.50 | wols_ | just as always: keep a livecd handy |
| 13:15.25 | wols_ | xerophyte: ps will give you what program hangs. further examination can give you things the commandline of the hanging program and such |
| 13:16.37 | mattmatt | wols_: ok thanks I have not installed anything yet |
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| 13:21.08 | wols_ | mattmatt: btw, your aptitude paste shows that nothing really important is lost when saying "y" there. this time util-linux is not removed, only kernel headers which aren't really necessary |
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| 13:24.00 | pirx | hi! has anyone tried something like this: ssh user@host1 "ssh user@host2" (i want to ssh to host1 and automatically ssh further to host2) |
| 13:24.07 | pirx | i have tried with "ssh -v" and the debug prints indicate that i get logged in to host2, but i get no prompt. the last thing i see printed from debug is: debug1: Sending env LANG = en_DK.UTF-8 |
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| 13:27.49 | mattmatt | wols:_ ok |
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| 13:30.19 | santiagoc | hello folks |
| 13:30.54 | santiagoc | does anyone have a clue why wouldn't .htaccess do a thing when i put IP in there to block access? order allow,deny ; deny from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx; allow from all - and still xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx can access the site... what is going on? |
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| 13:31.46 | santiagoc | the file is /var/www/.htaccess which seems correct |
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| 13:43.10 | thunderstrike | there is this package here "http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libswfdec-0.8-0" which I need to install for flash player for the iceweasel browser on the headless server.. |
| 13:43.30 | thunderstrike | There are so many dependencies to it |
| 13:43.38 | thunderstrike | so how shud I resolve that issue.. |
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| 13:44.13 | thunderstrike | apt-get doesn't install that package when given "apt-get install libswfdec*" |
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| 13:44.36 | thunderstrike | plz suggest the easiest way to resolve the issue.. |
| 13:44.51 | wols_ | what error does apt-get spit out? |
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| 13:45.03 | oggei | you don't want * at end |
| 13:45.15 | nsadmin | thunderstrike: issue? |
| 13:45.25 | oggei | it's a feature, eh :P |
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| 13:45.35 | thunderstrike | http://pastebin.com/d637021fe |
| 13:45.57 | nsadmin | the package is named libswfdec-0.8-0 |
| 13:46.06 | oggei | ah, you have to dpkg -i <file> if you want to install a local file |
| 13:46.13 | thunderstrike | issue is I just want to install Flash Player on a remote headless server which should autoplay flash contents on the website. |
| 13:46.16 | nsadmin | correct |
| 13:46.27 | themill | thunderstrike: be careful using * when you have files with similar names in the same directory |
| 13:46.41 | oggei | the problem in that case is that command line get expanded by shell with filenames presents in your working dir |
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| 13:46.53 | oggei | (but again, that's a feature) |
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| 13:47.08 | themill | wonders why a remote headless server is running squeeze. And why a remote headless server is running flash |
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| 13:48.09 | thunderstrike | I've used dpkg -i options as in here |
| 13:48.10 | thunderstrike | http://pastebin.com/de99bf59 |
| 13:48.26 | grappa | does anyone knows from where i can get neopwn |
| 13:48.27 | thunderstrike | but again it gives so many dependency problems |
| 13:48.29 | wols_ | themill: shush. mine run sid. no X clients tho |
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| 13:49.28 | themill | thunderstrike: why are you mixing squeeze and lenny? |
| 13:49.42 | thunderstrike | am i? |
| 13:49.43 | thunderstrike | ohh |
| 13:49.50 | thunderstrike | i'm new to debian. |
| 13:49.53 | thunderstrike | :( |
| 13:50.16 | thunderstrike | so shud I remove squeeze ? |
| 13:50.18 | thunderstrike | now |
| 13:51.12 | grappa | its a debian based distri, noone? |
| 13:51.26 | themill | thunderstrike: "aptitude install libswfdec-0.6-90 libswfdec-0.8-0_" should sort that out for you. |
| 13:51.33 | thunderstrike | okhe |
| 13:51.35 | thunderstrike | trying that |
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| 13:52.02 | themill | geo grappa |
| 13:52.07 | themill | gah |
| 13:52.41 | grappa | geo? |
| 13:54.14 | grappa | who or what is geo |
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| 13:55.26 | oggei | he's a friend of us, he work at docks, can help you |
| 13:55.34 | grappa | ok |
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| 13:55.46 | thunderstrike | themill: it is actually removing many many packages |
| 13:55.47 | grappa | but he isnt here |
| 13:56.28 | oggei | will be back shortly |
| 13:56.34 | grappa | ok |
| 13:57.59 | oggei | (hint: in the meantime try googling for geopwn) |
| 13:58.49 | oggei | (or neopwn, btw) |
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| 14:02.50 | grappa | yeah i mean neopwn |
| 14:03.53 | grappa | the geopwn looks like an apple thing |
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| 14:05.14 | Kazuha | Should a badblock sweep with badblocks be done first, or a fsck of a cranky (probably dying) ntfs partition? |
| 14:06.28 | oggei | grappa but neopwn seems to be a mobile thingie, and no debian based, so exactly what do you want to ask to geo ? |
| 14:07.19 | grappa | im looking for neopwn and its is a debian crosscompiled distribution |
| 14:08.26 | oggei | so go ask to neopwn vendor, no ? |
| 14:09.07 | grappa | there stands that it is nt anymore aivailable |
| 14:10.33 | oggei | but anyway isn't debian related at all, exactly like ubuntu doesn't, and every other debian based thing |
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| 14:11.55 | grappa | im not sure if pentest programs like in this crosscompiled mobile thing works also when i install debian on my openmoko freerunner |
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| 14:13.33 | oggei | start with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:13.45 | grappa | hmm |
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| 14:19.05 | nsadmin | can you run debian on an android phone and have it be useful as a phone? |
| 14:20.46 | oggei | openmoko isn't android |
| 14:21.11 | redguy | I still do not understand what is the difference between kvm and qemu-kvm |
| 14:21.39 | redguy | kvm is now a virtual package |
| 14:21.49 | redguy | qemu-kvm is providing kvm |
| 14:21.57 | zinx | nsadmin: not real Debian, no |
| 14:22.13 | zinx | nsadmin: you can "run" it in a chroot, but please do not ask for help with it here if you do that |
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| 14:22.45 | oggei | ... |
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| 14:23.18 | nsadmin | oggei: what is "..." |
| 14:23.31 | oggei | just a wrong win :P |
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| 14:25.20 | nsadmin | zinx: why not? and btw, what arch does the android have? |
| 14:25.43 | zinx | nsadmin: depends on the device - most currently are ARMv6J or ARMv7 |
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| 14:26.33 | zinx | nsadmin: and, don't ask for help here because it's not Debian when you just run stuff from a chroot. |
| 14:26.45 | zinx | nsadmin: you're just using programs from debian :/ |
| 14:26.49 | abrotman | there is an android channel |
| 14:28.03 | nsadmin | so all chroots are offtopic. got it. |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: he's telling you that android itself is |
| 14:29.29 | abrotman | nsadmin: but with the chroot on a device like that, you're dependent on their kernel, etc .. which may cause all kinds of issues in your chroot that are out of debian's control |
| 14:29.30 | babilen | redguy: Have a look at: http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU |
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| 14:29.55 | RichiH | i know there was a command to see at what offset a program is reading a file/block device |
| 14:30.00 | RichiH | but i can not remember |
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| 14:30.01 | nsadmin | hmm... it seems like it wouldn't be that useful to put such a chroot onto an android anyway |
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| 14:30.43 | nsadmin | seek? |
| 14:30.56 | nsadmin | err tell() |
| 14:31.42 | babilen | isn't that ftell? |
| 14:32.10 | nsadmin | well depending on whether you give it a file handle or a FILE* |
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| 14:33.38 | Pupeno | Any ideas how to re-install the configuration of a package? |
| 14:33.39 | nsadmin | and while that's the only thing I'm aware of that offers an offset like that, not sure it's what he wants... those are C library calls, maybe he's thinking about some other language |
| 14:33.51 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 14:33.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little vegemite, and a dozen sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 14:34.03 | nsadmin | wow, dpkg is fast again |
| 14:34.12 | babilen | \o/ |
| 14:34.28 | babilen | !tell Pupeno -about confmiss |
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| 14:35.19 | Pupeno | babilen: thanks. |
| 14:35.27 | babilen | np |
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| 14:38.08 | wols_ | Pupeno: several |
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| 14:43.18 | Kazuha | If one's drive has bad blocks, (found by badblocks), will it mark them to not be used? (Without any args.) |
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| 14:43.48 | sniffer | hey |
| 14:43.50 | wols_ | Kazuha: no. use smartmon-tools instead |
| 14:44.06 | wols_ | but you really need to look for a new hdd |
| 14:44.43 | Kazuha | Pretty much what I thought. But try explaining that to someone 3k miles away. >_> |
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| 14:45.21 | Kazuha | (Who's convinced that Linux can save the ntfs partition -- somehow.) |
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| 14:45.41 | zinx | Kazuha: it can |
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| 14:46.03 | zinx | Kazuha: oh, you mean make the hardware usable again. no, that won't happen. |
| 14:46.15 | Kazuha | Yeah. |
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| 14:46.19 | Kazuha | I know that. >_> |
| 14:46.29 | zinx | Kazuha: you can cause the drive to reallocate the sectors, but the data in them will be lost, and if the drive is getting bad sectors, it's likely that it's going to fail catastrophically soon. |
| 14:46.32 | Kazuha | I've lost *enough* drives to know when to get a new one. |
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| 14:46.43 | Kazuha | knows. |
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| 14:47.11 | zinx | Kazuha: but you can at least tell this mormo that overwriting the bad sectors will cause the drive to reallocate them |
| 14:47.25 | Kazuha | In fact, all a drive needs to do is *click* in my hearing, and I'm shutting it down and commencing a search for a replacement. |
| 14:47.33 | wols_ | well, the data in the bad sectors is gone to great data heaven in the sky... |
| 14:47.40 | wols_ | that part you should be able to tell him |
| 14:47.56 | Kazuha | Which basically means: His Vista install is now officially borked. |
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| 14:48.25 | wols_ | hope he has backups |
| 14:48.29 | Kazuha | (Since the system became unable to boot because of the errors.) |
| 14:48.30 | zinx | Kazuha: some drives are already using 4096 byte sectors internally but reporting 512 byte ones (Western Digital has been doing this..), so it may be neccesary to convert the sector numbers to 4096 byte ones and overwrite in 4096 byte blocks |
| 14:48.34 | Kazuha | *some*. |
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| 14:48.44 | zinx | Kazuha: oh, if he has to reinstall that makes it easy :P |
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| 14:49.37 | Kazuha | He *is* finding the live-CD more pleasant than he imagined Linux as being. (Ubuntu, but still.) |
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| 14:51.21 | Kazuha | Most strangely, its 'only' sda2 (what Vista was installed on) that's reporting massive errors. |
| 14:52.16 | zinx | Kazuha: probably because no other partition has been read |
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| 14:52.45 | zinx | Kazuha: the drive only marks errors bad that aren't read properly or that are tested as bad during an offline test (the latter of which only happens if SMART is enabled) |
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| 14:52.46 | Kazuha | sda1 is the 'rescue' partition for that system, and he had no problems copying stuff off of sda3. |
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| 14:52.59 | zinx | erh, s/errors/sectors/ |
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| 14:53.54 | Kazuha | Although, AFAIK there isn't any malware that makes sectors 'go bad', right? |
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| 14:54.43 | wols_ | no. cannot happen |
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| 14:54.59 | wols_ | well, it can, if you write to the disk hardware directly. but not in practice |
| 14:55.10 | Kazuha | True. |
| 14:55.44 | Kazuha | Or if the malware ran the disks destructively for long enough.... |
| 14:56.28 | Kazuha | read the BOFH stories. They were fun. |
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| 14:57.02 | helo | so it was you! |
| 14:57.24 | Kazuha | To read. >_> |
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| 15:03.15 | Trisca | Hello, I've a question about syslog what kind of file is /var/log/syslog. Because syslog is no longer writing into it, I think I empty the file but broke something. How could I fix this file ? |
| 15:04.01 | wols_ | delete syslog file, restart syslog |
| 15:04.21 | wols_ | syslog is the main system logfile |
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| 15:05.32 | Trisca | It doesn't seems to work, file is not recreated |
| 15:05.59 | abrotman | Trisca: you could create it yourself |
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| 15:06.25 | Trisca | Yep but it's not a special file ? |
| 15:07.06 | Kazuha | echo " ">/var/log/syslog |
| 15:07.24 | Kazuha | That would work to 'create' a logfile. |
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| 15:13.55 | xuser | aptitude doesn't have a fetch source option like apt-get? |
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| 15:14.35 | themill | xuser: aptitude is only for handling binary packages |
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| 15:15.28 | tom___ | hello |
| 15:15.43 | abchirk | xuser, you could add source deb's |
| 15:15.47 | abchirk | to your sources-list |
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| 15:16.24 | tom___ | I can't access the VNC-Server at the startup screen. How do I achieve this? |
| 15:17.04 | abchirk | tom___, x11vnc |
| 15:17.07 | xuser | themill: I see |
| 15:17.24 | tom___ | abchirk: thx |
| 15:18.14 | xuser | abchirk: what do you mean? deb-src? |
| 15:18.15 | ambuli | how can i extract the .deb contents ? |
| 15:18.16 | themill | xuser: there's nothing mysterious or powerful about apt* for source packages at all -- they're only three files that you can download with "dget", "wget", ... |
| 15:18.30 | abchirk | xuser, yes. |
| 15:18.37 | themill | ambuli: man dpkg |
| 15:18.50 | abchirk | you could download them with it, but not manage maybe you meant that |
| 15:19.05 | ambuli | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.16 | xuser | abchirk: and what does that have to do with fecthing sources with aptitude? |
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| 15:19.47 | themill | ambuli: man dpkg tells you to go and see man dpkg-deb for all that sort of stuff |
| 15:20.53 | jelly | is there a tool to copy a file but skip the first 2555059520 bytes that doesn't allocate a lot of memory like dd does? |
| 15:21.13 | abchirk | tom___, just type x11vnc and you will see which command you need for your loginscreen |
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| 15:21.33 | xuser | themill: well with wget you have to know the exact link of the source |
| 15:21.42 | abchirk | xuser, doesn't it handle sources from packages?? |
| 15:22.17 | Kazuha | >_<; |
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| 15:22.22 | themill | xuser: of course. That's all that apt-get source actually does for you -- calculate those URLs |
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| 15:22.34 | Kazuha | I was already in this channel, why did I type /join #debian? |
| 15:22.34 | xuser | themill: that's very handy ;-) |
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| 15:22.54 | xuser | thanks |
| 15:22.56 | jelly | Kazuha: you wanted to reiterate your point |
| 15:23.15 | Kazuha | lol. Actually, I was *trying* to /join #ubuntu. |
| 15:23.34 | jelly | Begone, foul spirits! |
| 15:23.35 | xuser | Kazuha: is the same |
| 15:23.37 | xuser | runs |
| 15:23.39 | Kazuha | So I could ask some questions about it (helping a Linux newbie who's using a live-cd). |
| 15:23.56 | Kazuha | An *Ubuntu* live-cd. |
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| 15:24.11 | Kazuha | Oh well, getting him to use *that* was enough of a difficulty. |
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| 15:25.27 | xuser | is squeeze going to freeze this year or the next? |
| 15:25.34 | xuser | *be |
| 15:25.48 | mrkoknee | in april, I think |
| 15:26.29 | abrotman | there is no date set |
| 15:27.06 | xuser | I read somewhere they were skipping 6.0 and release 7.0 |
| 15:27.12 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | xuser: really, where was that? |
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| 15:28.05 | xuser | abrotman: that 'maybe they were going that route, one sec |
| 15:28.17 | abrotman | waits for a link to msn.com |
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| 15:28.42 | xuser | abrotman: http://www.debian.com/News/2009/20090729 |
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| 15:28.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: Don't forget the mouthwash afterwards. |
| 15:29.01 | wols_ | even if it freezes in april (and total freeze or just parts), it will still take half a year or more for release |
| 15:29.28 | wols_ | abrotman: has debian stopped pleasing Ubuntuites with scheduled releases? or are they still trying to do it? |
| 15:29.32 | abrotman | xuser: that's old, outdated, and not relevant anymore |
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| 15:30.05 | abrotman | xuser: and you didn't understand what it actually said |
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| 15:30.33 | xuser | abrotman: they said 'maybe' they skip the release to adjust to new release policy |
| 15:30.49 | Kazuha | I'm not sure what's worse.... |
| 15:30.55 | Kazuha | Actually, I am. |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | xuser: if you had read it correctly, they were implying that they would provide the ability to dist-upgrade from 5 directly to 7 .. bypassing squeeze completely, but squeeze is still going to be released .. and that entire thing is out of date and wrong |
| 15:31.01 | iceroot | is there a way to use firefox from another host (like ssh -X) wihtout having an x-server on the other host? |
| 15:31.09 | Kazuha | #windows is still somewhat worse than #ubuntu. |
| 15:31.09 | iceroot | or iceweasel...:) |
| 15:31.31 | Arafangion | xuser: I'm reading that as "Scheduled freezes", but nothing is said about a scheduled release, although it does suggest that it will improve the predictability of a release. |
| 15:31.35 | wols_ | iceroot: vnc |
| 15:31.46 | Arafangion | Kazuha: Impossible! |
| 15:31.55 | Arafangion | Kazuha: #windows doesn't have a launchpad. |
| 15:32.03 | Kazuha | Launchpad? |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | is pretty sure this is #debian .. |
| 15:32.07 | iceroot | wols_: vnc is connection to an x-server if i am correct? or does it bring something else with it? |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | !ot |
| 15:32.08 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 15:33.15 | mrkoknee | anyone having luck with wicd and resume from suspend? (Acer Aspire One) it just won`t reconnect after suspend. I have searched google and the wicd forums, but no luck. |
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| 15:33.43 | wols_ | iceroot: bascially |
| 15:34.09 | xuser | abrotman: sure, I guess the news page is not a good way to keep with updates |
| 15:34.22 | Arafangion | mrkoknee: Consider checking that the device is enabled and isn't still switched off (Who knows what ACPI and the likes of that does), and check to see if there is a newer version (Perhaps the standby is buggy?) |
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| 15:35.16 | mrkoknee | Arafangion: The wireless LED is blinking and I can use the interface to search for wireless networks. it just hangs trying to get an IP adress |
| 15:35.16 | Arafangion | xuser: I think they're good, as long as you don't extrapolate, and it's easy to extrapolate. |
| 15:35.33 | wols_ | xuser: anytime debian ,makes a statement about the future that contains a date, you can !pal. that'S a law of nature |
| 15:35.45 | wols_ | these statements are not worth the electrons used to display them |
| 15:35.52 | Arafangion | mrkoknee: Does it work with a different AP? |
| 15:36.27 | mrkoknee | Arafangion: they are all encrypted in my neighbourhood.. bastards :) |
| 15:36.47 | mrkoknee | Arafangion: so I can`t tell |
| 15:36.58 | Arafangion | mrkoknee: Try rebooting your own, that's one way to figure out if the AP is buggy. |
| 15:37.08 | mrkoknee | ok.. will try |
| 15:37.17 | Arafangion | mrkoknee: I'm off to bed though. |
| 15:37.23 | mrkoknee | thanks |
| 15:37.24 | mrkoknee | good night |
| 15:37.26 | mrkoknee | :) |
| 15:37.36 | xuser | wols_: ;-) |
| 15:37.41 | Arafangion | mrkoknee: It's free advice, don't thank me yet. ;) |
| 15:37.49 | mrkoknee | :) |
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| 15:52.14 | Joelio | Quick question for the sysadmins - Chef or Puppet (for traditional admin work) |
| 15:53.45 | babilen | chef |
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| 16:11.52 | doublehp | how do i set up sound ? |
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| 16:12.25 | Kazuha | Depends on your hardware, architecture, and installed packages. |
| 16:12.57 | doublehp | alsamixer => cannot open mixer: No such device . Since update, alsaconfig is gone away |
| 16:13.20 | laru | doublehp: try 'sudo alsa reload' |
| 16:13.48 | doublehp | => same |
| 16:14.01 | laru | doublehp: try 'sudo alsa restart' |
| 16:14.17 | doublehp | => usage |
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| 16:14.52 | laru | doublehp: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base' |
| 16:15.22 | doublehp | => already done => sae |
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| 16:16.10 | doublehp | and, YES the box got a snd card. I could use mplayer last year |
| 16:16.13 | laru | doublehp: I've had things like this; usually one of those commands has sorted it, so i'm sorry! perhaps try a reboot just in case |
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| 16:16.29 | doublehp | rebooted yesterday |
| 16:16.54 | doublehp | 2.6.21-2-486 |
| 16:17.15 | laru | doublehp: then I'm not sure... sorry :) |
| 16:17.32 | laru | quick question: how can I stop my display from turning off after a certain period of time? I'm using Fluxbox (I think there are some residual programs left from an old Gnome installation... though gnome-power-manager isn't running.) |
| 16:17.32 | doublehp | i think i have worse problemswith 2.6.24 |
| 16:17.49 | doublehp | laru: your DM should have sleep options |
| 16:18.00 | doublehp | laru: you can also configure DPMS manually in xorg.conf |
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| 16:18.49 | doublehp | laru: you can also write a script that would use xnee/cnee to move the mouse one pixel left then right every 30mn :) |
| 16:19.23 | wols_ | doublehp: you are evil |
| 16:19.42 | doublehp | laru: http://pastebin.com/d649ae9cc in serverlayout section |
| 16:19.46 | laru | wols_: why evil? |
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| 16:19.59 | doublehp | :P |
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| 16:20.16 | doublehp | laru: maybe because it's not the first time he reads me :) |
| 16:20.25 | sphenxes | I am planning to buy a new computer with Motherboard: ASROCK H55M Sockel LGA 1156 INTEL and on board graphic card: INTEL GMA HD Media Graphic. My question: is the graphic card lenny compatilbe. |
| 16:20.47 | helo | assrock? |
| 16:20.52 | bolt | one of my boxes has suddenly gotten the idea it wants to be named "localhost". eth0 isn't fetching an ip on startup, but i can do do so manually. and it adds a line to /etc/hosts which says "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost". /etc/hostname is set correctly. what's going on here? |
| 16:20.55 | laru | sphenxes: should be through the Intel video driver, or at least Vesa |
| 16:20.56 | babilen | !tell sphenxes -about hcl |
| 16:20.57 | wols_ | laru: the script suggestion |
| 16:21.09 | doublehp | sphenxes: ALL cards sold after 1996 are VGA/VESA compatible. |
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| 16:21.27 | sphenxes | thanks a lot |
| 16:21.49 | doublehp | sphenxes: 3D support is an other matter :) |
| 16:22.28 | sphenxes | doublehp, thanks, i would not touch 3 D. no games on my pc |
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| 16:23.05 | laru | doublehp: thanks for the xorg.conf extract; been using Debian for years but I'm still fairly ignorant about a lot of things! |
| 16:23.15 | bolt | hm.. to take one thing first. why has my eth0 suddenly stopped getting an ip at startup? /etc/network/interfaces is setup correctly, and running dhclient eth0 after boot gets and address. the interface is up, but has no ip after boot |
| 16:23.24 | wols_ | bolt: apart from the non working dhcp on bootup, everything sounds perfectly normal. in fact, if hosts didn't have this entry, something would be very very much broken |
| 16:23.49 | doublehp | out of time |
| 16:23.51 | wols_ | bolt: even when dhcp doesn't work, it will have an IP afterwards. a bogus one, but an IP nonetheless |
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| 16:24.01 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:24.25 | bolt | wols_: but even though my hostname in /etc/hostname is something else, the machine is now named "localhost" |
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| 16:24.41 | mcgreg | can I somehow force/set/configure grub2 NOT tro use any framebuffer? it seems like it load efi-fb here and that conflicts with kms |
| 16:24.44 | bolt | wols_: i think it's because that localhost line is on top of the other entry for 127.0.0.1, which has the correct name |
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| 16:24.57 | candyban | Hi guys. Is there a way to "configure" the package "bsd-mailx"? It complains that it cannot find MX records, even though host and dig resolve the hostname just fine. nsswitch.conf is also configured correctly (as is resolv.conf) |
| 16:25.02 | wols_ | bolt: no it is not. dhcp has nothing to do with /etc/hosts at all |
| 16:25.03 | Macer | hm. there isn't a pkg for a different rar other than the free one? |
| 16:25.24 | wols_ | Macer: there is. which is in non-free, imagine that :) |
| 16:25.36 | candyban | It fails with the error "all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts" |
| 16:25.38 | bolt | wols_: also, it doesn't get an ip.. or at least ifconfig can't see it. it has an inet6 addr, but no inet addr |
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| 16:26.19 | Macer | wols_: heh. i'm not seeing it in apt-cache search |
| 16:26.41 | wols_ | candyban: is there a MX record? |
| 16:26.52 | wols_ | tho, without one, it should just use the A record |
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| 16:27.14 | wols_ | Macer: didn't I say something about "non-free"? |
| 16:27.19 | candyban | wols_, yes ... there is an MX record and A record |
| 16:27.30 | Macer | i think non-free meant non-open :) |
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| 16:27.37 | Macer | either way. the unrar-free doesn't seem to be wrking correctly |
| 16:27.58 | wols_ | Macer: it does. but you should read more docs. it doesn't support all rar format versions |
| 16:28.39 | bolt | wols_: any idea on the dhcp issue=? |
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| 16:29.04 | wols_ | bolt: no. not enough info |
| 16:29.07 | candyban | wols_, the same nameservers are used on etch machines. (I have not used/relied on the mail command on lenny yet) |
| 16:29.38 | Macer | wols_: yeah. which is where i am having the problem |
| 16:29.41 | wols_ | candyban: have you checked the records with dig? |
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| 16:29.44 | Macer | figured there would be a bin for nonfree in the repos |
| 16:29.52 | wols_ | Macer: there is |
| 16:29.58 | candyban | wols_, yes, "dig" and "host" |
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| 16:30.14 | candyban | wols_, I don't think the problem is at the DNS side ... |
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| 16:30.22 | bolt | wols_: any more info i can give you? |
| 16:30.23 | Macer | wols_: apt-cache search unrar only has the free ver |
| 16:30.30 | wols_ | and you use -t mx for dig? |
| 16:30.49 | candyban | wols_, I have sufficient experience with dns ;) (I used to work at a ccTLD) |
| 16:30.51 | wols_ | !tell Macer about non-free |
| 16:30.59 | wols_ | Macer: debian proper has Free software only |
| 16:31.06 | candyban | wols_, yet my experience with "mailx" is rather limited |
| 16:31.43 | wols_ | candyban: I have inssufficien experience in mind reading and IRC is a really shitty protocol for it too. you don't explcitly say something, I have to assume you didn't do it. HAND, bai |
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| 16:33.07 | Kazuha | wonders if there is any particular difference between configuring a system for using an ethernet device and configuring it for 802.11 (Aside from the difficulty in getting 802.11 working on many Linux systems.) |
| 16:33.42 | wols_ | Kazuha: big difference. wired ethernet doesn't need explicit encryption |
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| 16:34.19 | Kazuha | I meant from the "ifconfig" point of view. |
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| 16:35.32 | candyban | wols_, When I use the following command: echo "test" | /usr/bin/mailx -s "Test" my@mydomain -v on my lenny host ... I get the error "all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts" ... nsswitch.conf is ok, dns is ok, resolv.conf is ok, dig is ok, host is ok, mailx on etch is ok ... so I'm running out of ideas |
| 16:36.21 | candyban | wols_, what do you want to know/hear so you don't have to rely on mind reading :) |
| 16:37.06 | wols_ | I'd use wireshark to listen what mailx exactly asks and what it gets in return |
| 16:37.27 | candyban | wols_, good idea actually :) |
| 16:37.38 | candyban | wols_, thanks, I'll try that |
| 16:38.20 | Macer | wols_: thanks |
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| 16:38.42 | Macer | i just had to add non-free to my sources list.. that did it.. honestly didn't know that |
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| 16:42.17 | laru | oh, one other thing: how can I automagically execute a command when X has started? I've tried creating $HOME/.xinitrc and $HOME/.Xsession with the command in as well as appending it to those files' global counterparts, but no dice... any suggestions? |
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| 16:43.19 | laru | the command is a perl script I wrote to change the desktop picture to a random image |
| 16:43.26 | wols_ | laru: I think gnome and kde have some sort of "autostart" thingie |
| 16:43.38 | laru | wols_: thanks, but I'm using Fluxbox |
| 16:43.58 | laru | wols_: actually Blackbox :3 my bad |
| 16:44.23 | wols_ | well, for this script, you could do a cronjob instead :) |
| 16:44.35 | wols_ | but .xsession should work just fine imho |
| 16:44.42 | wols_ | do you use a display manager? |
| 16:45.02 | tabashco | laru: you should be able to put an entry for your script in ~/.blackbox/startup |
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| 16:47.24 | laru | tabashco: that file (or directory) didn't exist; created and tried; nothing. but thanks! |
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| 16:49.27 | candyban | wols_, I can't seem to find anything weird (except that it tries to get an AAAA record first, but then it checks for a regular A and gets the result) |
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| 16:49.57 | Joelio | babilen: Do you use it for traditional administration then? Rather than for just general webapp related stuff? I really love Chef and think we'll be using it above puppet. Just after real use cases (already spoken on #chef, but thought there may be bias.. never know ;) ) |
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| 16:50.28 | wols_ | candyban: and it gets a nice and pretty IPv4 back?. I guess then only strace or gdb help, sorry |
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| 16:52.58 | candyban | wols_, there is no default blacklisting of private ranges (RFC1918) is there (I can't seem to find any configuration for this) |
| 16:53.27 | wols_ | afaik no. but how do you resolve your RFC1918 IPs? |
| 16:53.33 | wols_ | do you run your own DNS? |
| 16:54.04 | candyban | wols_, yes, both forward and reverse dns (internal view) |
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| 16:54.42 | tabashco | laru: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/BlackboxDocumentation has some pretty good config tips |
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| 16:55.51 | laru | tabascho: Thanks, just exploring another avenue right now... I glanced at the Blackbox documentation earlier, and didn't see anything different to what I'd been trying |
| 16:55.54 | laru | :) |
| 16:55.57 | mguy | Has anyone here built gimp? Is is going to take 1 hour, 5 hours? 10 hours? |
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| 16:56.34 | babilen | mguy: No idea - Ask in #gimp |
| 16:56.38 | laru | mguy: if you have a dual-core processor, use the make command with the -j option (e.g. -j2) to make it perform more jobs at once, but it shouldn't take too long |
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| 16:56.51 | laru | mguy: but meh, who knows :P |
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| 16:57.13 | mguy | I set up distcc so I'm just using gimp to test it out. Doing a solo compile first. |
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| 16:57.39 | Brack10 | Hi, Anyone have any success with ntlmaps? |
| 16:57.45 | babilen | mguy: You can also compile the kernel |
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| 16:58.41 | mguy | True. I did want to try the new gimp thoug |
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| 16:59.01 | babilen | mguy: compile gimp then - I certainly don't mind :-D |
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| 17:00.43 | candyban | wols_, I think I may have found the issue ... exim has a config like "# ignore private rfc1918 and APIPA addresses" |
| 17:01.11 | wols_ | candyban: sorry. I'm a die hard postfix user and never saw such a silly option :P |
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| 17:04.20 | candyban | wols_, ok, it's working now ... apparently I "fixed" the issue on the other etch machine as well (some years ago) |
| 17:04.50 | candyban | wols_, thanks for your patience and mind reading skills ;) |
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| 17:05.18 | wols_ | candyban: I wish I did something, but as Ou know I did not |
| 17:06.17 | candyban | wols_, you gave me the idea to do a tcpdump (so I could rule out a dns resolving issue) |
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| 17:06.30 | candyban | wols_, which was crucial :) |
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| 17:21.11 | Zharf | I got ices2 to stream what goes in my mic-in but how do I get it to pick up everything else too? everything I hear |
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| 17:27.31 | swerve | question to audio gurus: how can I split up a .flac file and retain lossless? |
| 17:27.46 | swerve | i tried in audacity, but it only allows exporting to mp3 |
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| 17:29.25 | Zharf | save as wav |
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| 17:29.36 | cahoot | swerve: ecasound handles most formats, CLI though |
| 17:29.37 | Zharf | then repack as flac |
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| 17:33.49 | swerve | Zharf: audacity only seems to be able to export as mp3 -am i missing a plugin? |
| 17:34.30 | Zharf | swerve, you don't export as wav, you save as wav |
| 17:34.32 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:35.35 | swerve | there's no save as, only save as audacity project (.aup) |
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| 17:36.41 | SparFux1 | Oh man, I am not even able to set up egroupware in debian sid. |
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| 17:37.40 | vdelau | hi all, I'm having a little problem getting a network card to work |
| 17:38.00 | babilen | vdelau: Alright - Pray continue |
| 17:38.10 | Zharf | swerve, it seems that I don't have audacity installed at the moment but I'm fairly certain that it can save a wave file by default without any plugins |
| 17:38.21 | vdelau | I've had to swap a harddisk to a different machine with a Broadcom NIC |
| 17:38.23 | Zharf | maybe the package you have is crippled |
| 17:38.44 | vdelau | I can see it in dmesg as eth0, but it won't come up |
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| 17:39.21 | vdelau | manual ifup doesn't work, rmmod/modprobe b44 redetects the NIC but it still doesn't work |
| 17:39.28 | babilen | vdelau: Ok, can you paste the output of "lspci -nn | grep -i ether" ? |
| 17:39.46 | babilen | vdelau: Ok, is it complaining about missing firmware? |
| 17:40.29 | swerve | Zharf: doesn't seem to be able to. there's save project, save project as (both to .aup), 'save compressed copy of project' (to .ogg), and export |
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| 17:40.40 | babilen | vdelau: Check dmesg output after you've reinserted the module |
| 17:40.42 | swerve | and that's it |
| 17:40.58 | vdelau | babilen: lspci isn't installed :( |
| 17:41.18 | swerve | pretty useless, actually, lol |
| 17:41.23 | vdelau | and pasting would mean: type over... |
| 17:41.30 | babilen | vdelau: Install pciutils |
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| 17:42.09 | babilen | vdelau: OK - I am actually looking for the pciid of your NIC - It's the number in [....] at the end |
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| 17:43.28 | babilen | vdelau: Do you actually have internet access on that box? |
| 17:44.00 | vdelau | babilen: no, got PCI id's from sys: 14e4:4401 |
| 17:44.18 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4401 |
| 17:44.20 | judd | [14e4:4401] is 'BCM4401 100Base-T' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4401 |
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| 17:44.32 | vdelau | babilen: even more fun: the box is on the other side of the (big) room: sneakernet it is! |
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| 17:44.43 | babilen | vdelau: argh |
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| 17:45.22 | babilen | vdelau: Ok, do you have any errors in dmesg when you 'modprobe -r b44 && modprobe b44' ? |
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| 17:45.42 | vdelau | babilen: i'll try, hold on (it's an Etch box btw) |
| 17:45.57 | babilen | vdelau: And what kind of error do you get when you try to bring up the interface? |
| 17:46.20 | babilen | vdelau: etch? You know that etch security support end in exactly three days? |
| 17:46.49 | babilen | vdelau: I am not sure if that device is supported in etch ... |
| 17:47.01 | Zharf | could I have pulsecrap without the gnomecrap please? pretty please? |
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| 17:47.05 | Zharf | :< |
| 17:47.18 | Zharf | meh, I'll just use my windows box |
| 17:47.19 | vdelau | babilen: just for info line: driver version, pci enabling, acpi pci interrupt, eth0 |
| 17:47.24 | nils1 | hi there! excuse me, but can anyone help me, mounting my second physical harddrive? its name is shown in the sidepane of nautilus, but it tells me, that i am not permitted to open it. when i try to mount it via terminal, it tells me, that theres no mountpoint.. |
| 17:47.29 | vdelau | for=4 lines |
| 17:47.31 | babilen | vdelau: You'll need at least kernel 2.6.25 - Which kernel version is installed on your system? |
| 17:47.32 | Zharf | linux should dump all audio support and try again |
| 17:47.39 | vdelau | 2.6.18 |
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| 17:48.00 | vdelau | babilen: can I do a CD upgrade? |
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| 17:48.28 | babilen | vdelau: offline upgrade etch->lenny .. I wouldn't do that :-) |
| 17:48.47 | vdelau | was afraid you were going to say that... |
| 17:49.09 | babilen | vdelau: I guess you can try to install lenny's kernel package and bring up the network. Or find another NIC somewhere and use that one. Everybody has a spare 3Com somewhere ;-) |
| 17:49.32 | vdelau | babilen: I do, at home... |
| 17:49.51 | vdelau | typical: friday 17:30 the box with the spamfilter dies... |
| 17:49.58 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 17:50.26 | nils1 | excuse me again.. :-) can anyone help me with my little mounting problem? |
| 17:50.29 | babilen | and nobody ever thought of the upgrade before .. |
| 17:50.34 | vdelau | babilen: I'm going to look for a different computer to use for upgrading Debian and then swap the drive again |
| 17:50.47 | vdelau | babilen: thanks for your help |
| 17:51.02 | babilen | vdelau: Good luck - Come back if you need help |
| 17:51.09 | vdelau | thanks |
| 17:51.21 | babilen | vdelau: *thumbs up* - you'll be home in one hour :-D |
| 17:51.58 | vdelau | is looking for a screwdriver... |
| 17:52.11 | babilen | vdelau: longdrink? |
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| 17:52.39 | nils1 | :-( |
| 17:52.54 | babilen | nils1: You'll have to specify a mountpoint for you mount command and make sure that that directory exists |
| 17:53.05 | vdelau | babilen: yes please :) |
| 17:53.06 | babilen | nils1: It should however not exist for nautilus to work |
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| 17:54.04 | nils1 | ive already tried some modification of fstab, but how can nautilus show me the name, when it doesnt know, where it exists? |
| 17:54.28 | babilen | hands vdelau a large screwdriver with the finest Ð ÑÑÑкий СÑандаÑÑ (Russki Standard) Wodka |
| 17:54.39 | nils1 | and i guess, that my new fstab entries doesnt have a positive effect... |
| 17:54.58 | babilen | nils1: It's the name of the partition which is then used as mountpoint beneath /media |
| 17:55.25 | nils1 | can i update fstab in a running system? |
| 17:55.28 | babilen | nils1: which filesystem are we speaking about? Are you member of the 'plugdev' group? |
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| 17:55.39 | nils1 | like update-grub |
| 17:55.43 | babilen | nils1: sure ... But let's debug the nautilus issue |
| 17:55.52 | babilen | nils1: no, not like update-grub |
| 17:56.06 | nils1 | well, ive heard about that group already, but that group doesnt exist on my system.. |
| 17:56.14 | nils1 | if it helps, i installed it from cd1 |
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| 17:56.47 | nils1 | i just have a group called powerdev |
| 17:56.53 | babilen | are you sure that the group does not exist? |
| 17:56.59 | nils1 | yes |
| 17:57.39 | babilen | can you 'grep plugdev /etc/group' please |
| 17:58.06 | vdelau | wishes that his bottle of Dalwhinnie wasn't empty... |
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| 17:58.27 | nils1 | plugdev:x:46:leila |
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| 17:58.38 | nils1 | what does that mean? |
| 17:58.45 | babilen | nils1: So the group exists - Is your user named leila? |
| 17:58.50 | nils1 | yes |
| 17:59.13 | babilen | and if you type 'groups' plugdev is listed? |
| 17:59.17 | nils1 | wow! but why cant i find that group in the settings gui for groups? |
| 17:59.35 | babilen | vdelau: I'll get you a nice bottle of Talisker once you are done. rock on! |
| 17:59.51 | nils1 | no theres, just root |
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| 17:59.58 | nils1 | leila seems to be root... |
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| 18:00.05 | babilen | nils1: what? |
| 18:00.09 | nils1 | how can that be? |
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| 18:00.27 | babilen | I don't quite understand - Can you elaborate on the leila==root part? |
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| 18:00.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he said groups outputs "root" |
| 18:00.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | he masked that cannily, though |
| 18:00.57 | nils1 | when i type "groups" into the terminal, i get the output "root" |
| 18:01.07 | babilen | ok |
| 18:01.08 | nils1 | yes |
| 18:01.20 | nils1 | does that mean, that leila is in the root group? |
| 18:01.30 | Deem | hi, how can i dump my mysqldatabase without having an socketconnect under an debian rescue system? (sry for my bad english :D) |
| 18:01.34 | babilen | nils1: What is the output of 'whoami' ? |
| 18:01.46 | nils1 | root |
| 18:01.54 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 18:02.00 | nils1 | maybe its because, i am running a root terminal? |
| 18:02.15 | babilen | nils1: Could you execute the 'groups' command as user *leila* and not as root please :-D |
| 18:02.16 | nils1 | yes |
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| 18:02.40 | babilen | or 'groups leila' |
| 18:02.43 | nils1 | sorry! :-) the output is: leila adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev lpadmin powerdev |
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| 18:03.21 | babilen | OK - But we already know that you are a member of the plugdev group - So that is not the problem. Which filesystem do you have on that device? |
| 18:03.49 | babilen | Have you created the mountpoints? Can you paste the fstab entry for that to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.org) |
| 18:04.05 | nils1 | ext3 on my linux system |
| 18:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !comfort babilen |
| 18:04.14 | dpkg | There, there, babilen. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:04.24 | nils1 | the problematic drive is fat32 |
| 18:04.54 | babilen | sorry - i know nothing about fat32 .. |
| 18:04.55 | nils1 | and in gparted i have a little yellow icon next to sda1 |
| 18:04.58 | babilen | !vfatrw |
| 18:04.58 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
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| 18:05.40 | babilen | No idea what you have to do to get automount with nautilus .. :-( |
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| 18:05.53 | nils1 | mmh.. |
| 18:06.08 | vdelau | babilen: are you sure it isn't the 13th today? another unsupported NIC (RTL8139, must be a freak one) |
| 18:06.21 | Brack10 | can anyone with ruby installed please ls /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/ |
| 18:06.29 | nils1 | by the way the vfat drive has no operating system, its just for personal files |
| 18:06.40 | nils1 | if that makes a difference |
| 18:06.56 | Brack10 | I only have dbm.so mmap.so openssl.so tkutil.so |
| 18:06.56 | Brack10 | gdbm.so ncurses_bin.so tcltklib.so |
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| 18:07.53 | nils1 | what does that mean?: leila is not in the sudoers file? |
| 18:07.56 | babilen | vdelau: sigh ... |
| 18:08.06 | nils1 | why cant i sudo in a normal terminal? |
| 18:08.21 | babilen | nils1: It means exactly that. You have not configured sudo for your "leila" user |
| 18:08.31 | nils1 | ok |
| 18:08.52 | babilen | nils1: 'visudo' and 'man sudoers' |
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| 18:09.28 | unop | or just add your user to the sudo group? |
| 18:09.38 | unop | Brack10, so, what's the problem? |
| 18:09.41 | babilen | nils1: Please paste your fstab line. Try to mount it manually and paste the error you get (if any) |
| 18:09.59 | akSeya | hey guys... i could use some help with dnsmasq... i'm creating a PXE boot server here.. the problem is that I already have a DHCP server on the network.. so.. i installed dnsmasq to work as a DHCP Proxy .. but I have no idea on what I should do now... |
| 18:10.14 | nils1 | when i save fstab is it automatically up to date or do i have to reboot or sth like that? |
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| 18:11.08 | Brack10 | unop: I purged ruby, installed ruby-full & rubygems but it says it needs thread.so which I do not have. Apparently I'm supposed to have it. |
| 18:11.22 | akSeya | i mean.. i tryed some configurations on dnsmasq but the clients are not booting.. they show me: PXE-E53 No boot filename reveiced |
| 18:11.36 | babilen | nils1: no need to reboot |
| 18:11.42 | babilen | nils1: *ever* |
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| 18:12.13 | vdelau | babilen: can't it be something else? I've got the drive into another PC with yet another NIC |
| 18:12.46 | babilen | vdelau: And that nick is not workind as well? |
| 18:13.08 | unop | Brack10, /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/thread.so is part of libruby1.8 |
| 18:13.09 | vdelau | babilen: dmesg shows no problems and a detected NIC |
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| 18:13.32 | babilen | vdelau: sounds good - What happens if you try to bring up the interface? |
| 18:13.34 | Brack10 | unop: it says it's already installed |
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| 18:14.12 | vdelau | babilen: ifup fails: No such device |
| 18:14.18 | unop | akSeya, you usually get your DHCP server to issue the server and filename for PXE -- but you're not using dnsmasq only as a relay |
| 18:14.20 | raegis | Can Gnome-Do in stable work as a search tool, like Tracker? |
| 18:14.33 | nils1 | fine! :-) well, /dev/sda1 /media/KIWANO vfat defaults,leila,uid=1000,gid=46,umask=002 0 0 is the line in fstab now, right? |
| 18:14.35 | unop | akSeya, i mean, you're using dnsmasq as a relay -- not the actual DHCP server |
| 18:15.03 | vdelau | babilen: this time it is a tg3 (Broadcom) driver |
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| 18:15.06 | babilen | vdelau: What is the output of 'ifconfig -a' ? |
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| 18:15.28 | unop | Brack10, try reinstalling it? aptitude reinstall libruby1.8 |
| 18:15.45 | vdelau | babilen: eth3? |
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| 18:15.49 | akSeya | unop: but i saw something that told it is possible to use dnsmasq to add some parameters do the DHCPoffer |
| 18:15.53 | Brack10 | unop: does that mean libruby1.8 wasn't isntalled correctly? |
| 18:15.54 | babilen | !tell vdelau -about 70 |
| 18:15.59 | Brack10 | oh ok |
| 18:16.04 | akSeya | something like redirecting the request to the real dhcp server adding the pxe values |
| 18:16.08 | unop | Brack10, i'm not sure to be honest |
| 18:16.08 | babilen | nils1: Try to mount it |
| 18:16.59 | nils1 | again in nautilus it tells me "cannot mount volume. you are not privileged to mount the volume "KIWANO"" |
| 18:17.01 | babilen | nils1: Ah - and replace 'leila' with 'user' in the fstab line |
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| 18:17.35 | laru | Hey, back to a previous question about starting things through .xinitrc; I've tried that again but now whenever I create the file ~/.xinitrc Xorg goes on about some missing font elements or something... any idea of alternative methods of autostarting apps in Blackbox? |
| 18:17.40 | nils1 | and mount point /media/KIWANO doesnt exist |
| 18:17.47 | babilen | nils1: Try to mount it on the command line. Have you created the directory /media/KIWANO? What are the permissions on that? |
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| 18:18.18 | babilen | nils1: Ok, create /media/KIWANO and try to mount it manually from the command line |
| 18:18.28 | vdelau | babilen: thanks! That seems to be the problem... |
| 18:18.30 | wols_ | !tell laru about errors |
| 18:18.48 | nils1 | oh, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:18.50 | babilen | vdelau: I would just remove the lines from the persistent-net.rules and regenerate them again |
| 18:19.04 | laru | thanks T__T |
| 18:19.09 | nils1 | in between i had deleted that folder in media |
| 18:19.27 | babilen | nils1: does it work now? |
| 18:19.35 | akSeya | on my dnsmasq server, syslog tells me: no address range avaible for DHCP request via eth0 |
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| 18:19.55 | nils1 | well i have access though mountin the device in root terminal |
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| 18:20.18 | babilen | nils1: progress :-D |
| 18:20.49 | nils1 | at the moment i try to migrate from ubuntu to debian, so i am a little confused about the existance of a root terminal, because i did all that sudo thing in a normal terminal up to now |
| 18:20.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | Even though Im not a developer or programmer, is there anything that I can do as far as helping to get bugs fixed and stuff? |
| 18:21.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | For the next release. |
| 18:21.15 | vdelau | babilen: okay, aptitude works, lets update to Lenny while we are at it... |
| 18:22.14 | babilen | nils1: You have to configure sudo in Debian as it is not installed by default. You probably want to add a line "leila ALL=(ALL) ALL" to /etc/sudoers ... You do that by executing 'visudo' |
| 18:22.20 | babilen | vdelau: \o/ |
| 18:22.38 | babilen | !tell vdelau -about etch->lenny |
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| 18:24.13 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you can write man pages |
| 18:24.21 | vdelau | babilen: thanks, I've done Sarge -> Etch and Etch -> Lenny before |
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| 18:24.36 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 18:25.01 | babilen | vdelau: You'll know where to find the release notes then. Good luck! and congratulations - You'll get home eventually |
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| 18:25.27 | Brack10 | I tried to do apt-get purge ruby* and it returns: E: Couldn't find package rubygems-1.3.5 - how can I kill it with fire? |
| 18:25.28 | nils1 | what does ^o mean? how do i save the file in vi |
| 18:25.45 | babilen | nils1: It's CTRL-O |
| 18:25.47 | vdelau | babilen: nearly weekend! |
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| 18:26.42 | babilen | Brack10: You probably want something like: "aptitude purge '~n^ruby'" |
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| 18:26.50 | nils1 | i am not used to that |
| 18:26.53 | nils1 | thanks! |
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| 18:27.00 | nils1 | i mostly use gedit |
| 18:27.20 | Brack10 | babilen: that just gave me a prompt |
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| 18:27.45 | babilen | Brack10: The '*' is expanded by your shell (and you have a file/directory named rubygems-1.3.5 in cwd) |
| 18:28.09 | babilen | Brack10: That command should purge all packages whose name starts with ruby |
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| 18:28.24 | Brack10 | babilen: it didn't, but aptitude purge ruby* did seem to work |
| 18:28.26 | nils1 | up to now, not all i tried was running out of the box, like i was used to in ubuntu, but that doesnt seem to be such a problem, some things are obviously just a little different |
| 18:28.46 | babilen | Brack10: weird - You removed the ".." ? |
| 18:28.50 | Brack10 | which also gave me this Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "rubygems-1.3.5.tgz" |
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| 18:29.03 | nils1 | and again ive learned sth new today! thanks again! :-) |
| 18:29.05 | Brack10 | babilen: I didn't see a . . |
| 18:29.22 | babilen | Brack10: aptitude purge '~n^ruby' |
| 18:29.38 | Brack10 | yeah that just gives me a prompt > |
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| 18:30.23 | Brack10 | ok so now that ruby is 100% gone. What's the best way to install the latest version of ruby on rails? use apt or compile from source? |
| 18:30.47 | Brack10 | I had all sorts of problems using the ruby-full package |
| 18:31.04 | wols_ | !tel Brack10 about ssb |
| 18:31.10 | wols_ | that is, if sid has a versin new enough for you |
| 18:31.25 | wols_ | !tell Brack10 about ssb |
| 18:32.43 | Brack10 | there is a package ruby1.9.1-full which is the current stable |
| 18:33.31 | Brack10 | oh squeeze |
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| 18:34.37 | babilen | nils1: Point is - Nautilus should have mounted that drive automagically - No idea what is goind wrong there |
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| 18:49.22 | delby | hi there, just installed lenny without desktop environment. how do i access my cd/dvd? |
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| 18:50.39 | manixor | Hello, how can I install my audio driver? |
| 18:51.07 | karlpinc | !tell delby about mount |
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| 18:51.26 | babilen | !tell manixor -about install alsa |
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| 18:52.03 | babilen | manixor: Also paste the output of 'lspci -nn | grep -i audio' |
| 18:52.08 | delby | karlpinc: thanks. |
| 18:52.23 | karlpinc | delby: Although dvd video's are uninteresting when mounted. There's probably a way to play them using the framebuffer without X.... You can rip and burn them of course. |
| 18:52.41 | karlpinc | s/'// |
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| 18:53.46 | delby | karlpinc: not intending to play dvd. just need to copy files from cd to /home/user. |
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| 18:54.35 | vdelau | remembers his past a systems administrator: next, accept, next, next, drink a pot of coffee, finish |
| 18:54.54 | babilen | vdelau: :-D |
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| 18:55.05 | babilen | vdelau: We serve coffee in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:55.15 | babilen | vdelau: I'll get you one |
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| 18:55.52 | mebus | Hallo. How can I get informations about a users account settings? Like the home dir etc. ? |
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| 18:56.05 | Gaap | hi all |
| 18:56.06 | manixor | babilen this is the output: Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383]. I did all from dpkg and on volume controler I get: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 18:56.10 | Titan8990 | mebus, `finger $user` |
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| 18:56.24 | Gaap | how do i get only network-manager-gnome from testing? |
| 18:56.31 | Stostptyl | hi guys, having some difficuty with kernel images made with make-kpkg, I need to give the package a custom dependency, is that possible? |
| 18:56.36 | karlpinc | mebus: Or: cat /etc/passwd |
| 18:56.38 | wols_ | Gaap: you can't. get a backport or do your own |
| 18:56.46 | Gaap | ok, ty |
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| 18:57.03 | manixor | babilen I need to restart my system? |
| 18:57.04 | karlpinc | mebus: (If you're using traditional unix accounts and not ldap etc.) |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | Gaap: i think backports.org already has it |
| 18:57.11 | babilen | manixor: Unlikely |
| 18:57.22 | abrotman | !tell Gaap about bpo |
| 18:57.29 | Titan8990 | Stostptyl, curious, what additional dependency could a kernel image require? |
| 18:57.30 | Dominicus | I need a crash course in being able to monitor what traffic is being dropped at my firewall. Or, should I ask in another channel? |
| 18:57.30 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 18:57.30 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 18:57.33 | babilen | !tell manixor -about alsa checklist |
| 18:57.39 | Dominicus | So that i can open the correct port. |
| 18:57.46 | babilen | manixor: Make sure you've checked everyhting in there |
| 18:57.54 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:4383 |
| 18:57.55 | judd | [1002:4383] is 'SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4383 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 18:57.57 | wols_ | Dominicus: #iptables. that is, if you do use netfilter for your firewall |
| 18:58.26 | Dominicus | wols_: Thanks. |
| 18:58.29 | Stostptyl | Titan8990: well, this might be solvable another way, I want to distribute a kernel-img.conf to my systems so I'm doing that with one of my parent packages and I want my kernel image to be dependent on that parent package of a particular release to ensure the correct kernel-img.conf will be found on the system at the time of install |
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| 18:58.41 | Stostptyl | if there is a better way to manage the distribution of kernel-img.conf I'd like to hear it |
| 18:58.55 | babilen | manixor: You might want to make sure that 'snd-hda-intel' is loaded and restart alsa afterwards (alsa reload) |
| 18:59.05 | Titan8990 | Stostptyl, is that simply the .config? |
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| 18:59.28 | Stostptyl | no, kernel-img.conf is a config file that controls behaviour of kernel images when they are being installed |
| 18:59.48 | Stostptyl | in particular I need to ensure my systems are configured with "silent_modules" = "yes" |
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| 18:59.59 | Stostptyl | so that they don't prompt when installing the same version of a kernel over itself |
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| 19:00.44 | manixor | !tell manixor -about alsa checklist |
| 19:00.53 | Titan8990 | Stostptyl, thats not a compile option? I am not sure i understand what is being modified to a pre-compiled binary |
| 19:01.20 | Stostptyl | Titan8990: it's not a compile option with the debian make-kpkg process, or if it is I'm not aware of it and haven't seen it documented |
| 19:01.24 | Titan8990 | Stostptyl, suppose i need to read the manpage :p |
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| 19:04.21 | Titan8990 | Stostptyl, it says in the manpage that its created by the installation script, maybe that can modified |
| 19:04.56 | Stostptyl | Titan8990: when I manually edit the control files I find they are over written at compile time |
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| 19:05.31 | Stostptyl | Titan8990: what like or section of the man page? |
| 19:06.17 | manixor | babilen I fallow the steps but steel no control with volume control, steel get red cross on icon, and this error on click: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
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| 19:06.29 | Titan8990 | Stostptyl, 2nd paragraph of the description |
| 19:06.59 | babilen | manixor: Can you set the volume using 'alsamixer' ? |
| 19:07.14 | manixor | Yes. |
| 19:07.31 | wols_ | what was the package named that allowed you to write a MSDOS bootsector (e.g. after a grub mishap) |
| 19:07.37 | manixor | babilen I set all to maxim. |
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| 19:08.08 | Stostptyl | Titan8990: in the created file "Control" it looks like a template with things like "=V" and "=I" that look like they could be supplied somehow but I don't know how yet |
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| 19:08.29 | manixor | babilen There is a way to test my sound? |
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| 19:08.46 | babilen | manixor: The 'alsa checklist' gives an example |
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| 19:08.53 | babilen | manixor: Have you unmuted the channels? |
| 19:09.14 | babilen | manixor: That means there is 00 instead of MM beneath the mixers |
| 19:10.17 | Gaap | how do i upgrade from stable to testing ? |
| 19:10.26 | manixor | babilen On the button is 00, and all to high top. |
| 19:11.00 | SparFux1 | Hi all. What package do I have to install for an odbc and pdo_odbc for egrouppware |
| 19:11.01 | SparFux1 | ? |
| 19:11.17 | manixor | babilen I have a manual button for volume, and when I use it, is steel remain mute. |
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| 19:13.40 | SparFux1 | And how to cope with this (which package is missing?) Checking PEAR::XML_Feed_Parser is installed: False PEAR::XML_Feed_Parser is needed by: news_admin. You can install it by running: pear install XML_Feed_Parser |
| 19:13.47 | babilen | manixor: Is the snd-hda-intel module loaded and have you restarted alsa afterwards? |
| 19:14.10 | babilen | manixor: 'lsmod | grep snd-hda' and 'alsa force-reload' |
| 19:14.32 | babilen | manixor: err 'lsmod | grep snd_hda' |
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| 19:15.02 | SparFux1 | manixor: YOu should play with the model= option to the snd_hda_intel module. |
| 19:15.19 | SparFux1 | manixor: those chipsets are wired differently, that's why. |
| 19:15.34 | babilen | manixor: Are you a member of the 'audio' group? |
| 19:15.44 | wols_ | SparFux1: search for a package that does XML parsing and is related to php |
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| 19:16.12 | Stostptyl | how about this one, how can I produce a kernel image that knows how to install itself into a read only /boot parition? my solution to date has been to patch the "preinst" that make-kpkg creates |
| 19:16.22 | manixor | babilen I log out log in again...I think i should be a member, how can I check? |
| 19:16.36 | babilen | manixor: run 'groups' |
| 19:16.37 | SparFux1 | wols: ah, php-xml-parser it seems :-) |
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| 19:16.46 | wols_ | SparFux1: yep |
| 19:17.57 | manixor | This is on the lsmod | grep snd-hda http://dpaste.com/158028/ |
| 19:18.04 | SparFux1 | wols_: hm.. no. |
| 19:18.20 | manixor | I'm root, I should be a member. |
| 19:18.21 | babilen | manixor: It's 'lsmod | grep snd_hda' |
| 19:18.34 | babilen | looks good - |
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| 19:18.57 | babilen | manixor: You want to use your normal user for everyday tasks |
| 19:19.11 | manixor | babilen yes |
| 19:19.20 | SparFux1 | wols_: perhaps php-xml-rss . rss is "feed" perhaps. |
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| 19:19.51 | SparFux1 | no |
| 19:20.04 | manixor | babilen If I run groups on my user I got user group and netdev |
| 19:20.06 | Pericius | how to set another terminal (rxvt-unicode) to be default for Xorg? |
| 19:20.36 | wols_ | Pericius: /etc/alternatives. man update-alternatives |
| 19:20.36 | manixor | babilen i will log out and log in again, back in sec |
| 19:20.43 | babilen | manixor: You should add your user to the 'audio' group |
| 19:20.51 | babilen | well .. too late |
| 19:22.05 | Stostptyl | thanks for your help |
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| 19:23.50 | manixor | babilen Steel the same this is the error: The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu. |
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| 19:25.40 | akSeya | has anyone here ever played with FOG? |
| 19:27.06 | wols_ | akSeya: ask your real question |
| 19:27.39 | babilen | manixor: Are you a member of the 'audio' group now? |
| 19:27.57 | Titan8990 | and have you relogged since you added your user to audio group? |
| 19:28.01 | simula_ | is there a packaging oriented debian channel? |
| 19:28.05 | Tommy_DO | if I want to upgrade stable to testing, which name should I write into my /etc/apt/sources.list? the canonical name or the actual release name? |
| 19:28.09 | akSeya | wols_: wondering if anyone knows if is there a way to deploy an image without needing to register the host and assign an image to it... |
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| 19:28.15 | Titan8990 | simula_, #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 19:28.40 | hdcase | the things you have to do to make debs are weeeeird |
| 19:28.40 | wols_ | akSeya: ask the channel, not me. and next time drop the "anyone" question and start with the real one |
| 19:28.42 | akSeya | something like a Quick Image, but FOG asking which image I want to use.. |
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| 19:28.49 | Titan8990 | Tommy_DO, that is a general "if you have to ask" you shouldn't question |
| 19:28.57 | manixor | babilen No, this is the output manixor netdev |
| 19:29.12 | Titan8990 | <babilen> manixor: You should add your user to the 'audio' group |
| 19:29.19 | wols_ | Tommy_DO: depends. usually the release name, "squeeze" right now |
| 19:29.31 | babilen | manixor: 'adduser manixor audio' |
| 19:29.49 | babilen | manixor: And while you are at it - you probably want to add your user to other groups as well |
| 19:29.57 | babilen | !tell manixor -about desktop groups |
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| 19:30.42 | babilen | manixor: log out and back in after you've done that |
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| 19:31.09 | akSeya | wols_: sorry about that ;) |
| 19:31.44 | babilen | simula_: I told you that some hours ago? Did you not get that? |
| 19:31.54 | buckfast | Hi. I have used Debian on my old PC for a while and I'd like to swtich to Linux on my main PC now. However, I'd like to have newer version of software. Should I use Debian Testing/Unstable or some other distro? |
| 19:32.16 | babilen | buckfast: You can either use backports or install testing |
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| 19:32.20 | vdelau | spamassassin has a config file in /etc/cron.daily... Should I report that as an issue? |
| 19:32.30 | hdcase | buckfast: don't go for ubuntu 9.10, half the things are broken |
| 19:32.41 | babilen | vdelau: Config file or cron job? |
| 19:32.53 | vdelau | cron job marked as config file |
| 19:33.00 | babilen | buckfast: I am happily running testing for years now |
| 19:33.27 | hdcase | sticks with ye olde stable because everything works and it never crashes |
| 19:33.29 | babilen | buckfast: or stable until it's like 6-12 months old and testing until the next release |
| 19:33.29 | vdelau | so during an update, when you keep your own, it places the dpkg-dist copy in cron.daily |
| 19:34.07 | buckfast | hdcase: Yeah, I actually went for Kubuntu 9.0. Didn't like it very much |
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| 19:34.22 | buckfast | Not as stable as the Debian on my other PC |
| 19:34.34 | hdcase | buckfast: I gave up when empathy required starting twice just to launch |
| 19:34.42 | babilen | vdelau: Is it a cron job that *should* be executed by cron or is it just the spamassassin config rule you rejected because you wanted to keep your own? |
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| 19:35.30 | babilen | buckfast: I would say that testing is more stable than a lot of other distros - But it might happen that it breaks horribly. Just make sure you have apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges installed |
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| 19:36.03 | vdelau | babilen: i've updated the distributed one to add en additional channel to sa-update, which I wanted to keep during the update |
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| 19:36.34 | babilen | vdelau: yes - I Understood that you kept your own config file. But what is the one in /etc/cron.daily/ ? |
| 19:36.36 | vdelau | i was going to edit the file manually when i noticed that the copy is executable |
| 19:37.01 | vdelau | spamassassin.dkpg-dist |
| 19:37.13 | hdcase | buckfast: I rely on python mysqldb and no-one had even bothered to check it with other things in ubuntu 9.10.....meh |
| 19:37.23 | km | hi any where i can find info/note how to upgrade tomcat 5.0 o 5.5 using tomcat layout? |
| 19:37.26 | manixor | babilen Thanks. Worked. So the problem was that my user was not in the audio groups. |
| 19:37.33 | babilen | manixor: exactly |
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| 19:37.45 | vdelau | it is a cron script, as is the version i edited |
| 19:37.54 | babilen | manixor: Add your user to the other groups as well |
| 19:37.58 | manixor | !tell manixor -about groups |
| 19:38.01 | buckfast | babilen: should I install stable first and then do dist-upgrade? |
| 19:38.08 | babilen | !tell manixor -about selftell |
| 19:38.15 | babilen | !tell manixor -about desktop groups |
| 19:38.26 | babilen | buckfast: I would recommend that, yes |
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| 19:39.54 | superlinux | hi all |
| 19:40.11 | Araneidae | Can somebody hold my hand a moment while I fight with CUPS, please? |
| 19:40.29 | Araneidae | I've installed the samsungmfp drivers, and I now presumably need to tell CUPS about my printer |
| 19:40.47 | Araneidae | It's a network printer, but I don't know what to tell cups ... it's kind of confusing! |
| 19:41.07 | zleap | Araneidae, do you know the ip address of the printer ? |
| 19:41.14 | zleap | however it should find it for you |
| 19:41.25 | Araneidae | zleap, sure, it's got a proper name and that works ok -- I can see its web page |
| 19:41.32 | Araneidae | Do I use IPP? |
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| 19:41.39 | superlinux | i am using obexftp to access my nokia n73 phone over the USB cable. well , I cannot list my phone files as normal user. I can list as root. In which group should I enlist my normal user? |
| 19:42.02 | zleap | not sure, i am sure mine just points to the ip address |
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| 19:42.22 | Araneidae | Well, it starts by asking what the communication is, then it asks for a URL, then the make |
| 19:42.43 | Araneidae | Looking promising so far... |
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| 19:43.49 | zleap | url may point to the printer |
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| 19:44.07 | Araneidae | Well, CUPS seems to think it has found the printer, I've added it |
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| 19:44.15 | zleap | ok |
| 19:44.24 | Araneidae | However the test page I've printed .... hang on, the printer is waking up! |
| 19:44.50 | Araneidae | Huh. The answer to all my problems was IPP! |
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| 19:45.10 | Araneidae | (After lots of google and some painful custom package hacks!) |
| 19:46.18 | vdelau | babilen: i've edited /etc/cron.daily/spamassassin. during update I told dpkg to keep my version. It then places the dpkg-dist version in /etc/cron.daily as an executable file |
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| 19:47.22 | babilen | vdelau: So the dpkg-dist verstion is the one you discarded because you wanted to keep you own. It is not a cron that *should* be installed in /etc/cron.daily/ ? |
| 19:47.47 | babilen | vdelau: Do you see it listed when you run 'dpkg -L spamassassin' ? |
| 19:48.21 | manixor | babilen I tied my headsets, and my microphone is not working, I unmuted from volume control, need other configuration for microphone to make it work? |
| 19:48.36 | babilen | manixor: not to my knowledge |
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| 19:48.54 | nkuttler | hm, is there a simple tool to edit those vcard .vcf files? |
| 19:49.21 | vdelau | it is part of the spamassassin package and should be installed in that location |
| 19:49.21 | manixor | babilen OK, I will test them first on Windows to be sure that is working...I got a new one :) |
| 19:49.27 | coolguy4 | Is running a desktop using a combination of stable and testing a very bad idea? |
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| 19:49.38 | babilen | vdelau: How is it a bug then |
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| 19:50.57 | vdelau | babilen: maybe it is a PEBKAC, but I edited this file. During the update, the new file which I didn't want is place in cron.daily and is executable. |
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| 19:51.31 | oconnore_ | what package do i install to get ncurses documentation? |
| 19:51.39 | vdelau | babilen: so altough i told dpkg I didn't want the new version, cron would pick up the dpkg-dist version along with my version |
| 19:52.26 | babilen | vdelau: Ok - I understand now |
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| 19:53.02 | babilen | vdelau: I would just edit it again ;-( - Not sure if you should file a bug |
| 19:53.41 | babilen | vdelau: That particular bug might be hard to reproduce |
| 19:53.54 | vdelau | I've merged the two versions and can now delete the dist version, but somebody else might not see this happening. |
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| 19:54.02 | babilen | hmm... |
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| 19:55.21 | babilen | oconnore_: libncurses5-dev (apt-cache search ncurses doc) |
| 19:55.38 | vdelau | babilen: maybe I'm not supposed to edit this cron script, although there is even an option to disable the script (CRON = 1) |
| 19:56.03 | babilen | vdelau: You edited before the installation? |
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| 19:56.27 | vdelau | CRON is overwritten from defaults... |
| 19:56.37 | vdelau | I've edited the etch version |
| 19:56.53 | babilen | ok - that should not happen |
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| 19:57.08 | vdelau | maybe I should file a feature request to pass additional parameters to sa-update |
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| 19:57.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just installed Tux Guitar from the repo so I can play and print guitar pro tabs. But Im not sure how to get the audio working. Anyone know how? |
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| 20:03.06 | SparFux1 | Hello. How can I completely uninstall egroupware from debian sid? |
| 20:03.37 | wols_ | SparFux1: purge it? |
| 20:03.59 | DogBoy | the squeeze installer is from sid? |
| 20:04.02 | mxfca | SparFux1, apt-get --purge remove |
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| 20:05.37 | hellyeah | hey |
| 20:05.44 | hellyeah | what is wrong on debian squeeze |
| 20:05.49 | SparFux1 | wols_: the docs say something about unregistering apps within egroupware and the database which would not be "purged". So, that's a bad thing. I don't get egroupware to run. I configure a header admin password, but it doesn't work to log in. So some old password seems to be hanging around, but where :-) |
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| 20:05.59 | hellyeah | i am installing debian lenny and i try to upgrade lenny to squeeze |
| 20:06.04 | hellyeah | but i cant upgrade |
| 20:06.09 | hellyeah | there are lots of error |
| 20:06.13 | hellyeah | dpkg errors |
| 20:06.13 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 20:06.14 | hellyeah | :/ |
| 20:06.21 | martianixor | hi |
| 20:06.26 | martianixor | hey itchi ;-) |
| 20:06.38 | wols_ | hellyeah: something is wrong with your enter key. it fires way too often |
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| 20:06.54 | wols_ | !tell hellyeah about etch->lenny |
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| 20:07.32 | martianixor | or may be ... |
| 20:07.35 | martianixor | itchi: hey |
| 20:07.44 | hellyeah | wols_, sorry http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15423 |
| 20:07.46 | martianixor | eeevill |
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| 20:08.35 | hellyeah | i cant solve problems |
| 20:09.12 | wols_ | hellyeah: cause you don't read? "Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev." |
| 20:09.44 | abrotman | hellyeah: then don't upgrade to squeeze .. |
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| 20:10.12 | momelod | greetings channel |
| 20:10.18 | wols_ | abrotman: do you really believe he heeds that advice? |
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| 20:10.30 | wols_ | momelod: greetings babe |
| 20:10.40 | momelod | is it possible to build a xen patched kernel using make-kpkg? |
| 20:10.54 | wols_ | momelod: yes |
| 20:10.56 | hellyeah | what can i do now |
| 20:11.00 | hellyeah | reinstall ? |
| 20:11.02 | jhutchins | I think it's a pretty bad idea for someone who can't even read a very clear, instructive error message to try to run anything but stable. |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | hellyeah: what's wrong with using lenny ? |
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| 20:11.40 | hellyeah | no i try to upgrade lenny to squeeze |
| 20:11.48 | hellyeah | and i took lots of package error |
| 20:12.01 | hellyeah | what is wrong in upgrading lenny to squeeze |
| 20:12.30 | jhutchins | hellyeah: Squeeze is also known as "Testing". It's made available because it's known to have problems so that people can help find the problems. |
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| 20:12.38 | jhutchins | hellyeah: You said yourself, you're not good with problems. |
| 20:13.01 | wols_ | hellyeah: debian testing is for experienced users who can solve arising problems. (and they will arise). you have shown with your questions that you aren't very experienced, so we think debian testing won't work out very well for your |
| 20:13.03 | jhutchins | hellyeah: You should not be beta testing software that isn't ready for stable release. |
| 20:13.06 | wols_ | -r |
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| 20:13.53 | hellyeah | what can i do now there is a way to rescue system |
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| 20:14.03 | hellyeah | udev gives error now |
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| 20:14.09 | hellyeah | how can i fix udev error |
| 20:14.37 | wols_ | hellyeah: the error emssage tells you exactly what to do, so did I above. upgrade your kernel |
| 20:14.55 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 20:14.57 | jhutchins | hellyeah: I would seriously suggest reinstalling lenny. |
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| 20:15.01 | hellyeah | okey i wiÅll upgrade |
| 20:15.08 | martianixor | momelod just wondering $yourhardware = with VT technology ? "what is it?" : "OK thanks was just wondering"; |
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| 20:15.30 | babilen | martianixor: huh? |
| 20:15.31 | wols_ | martianixor: "syntax error"? |
| 20:15.31 | manixor | babilen You know if is possible to install skype on debian amd64? |
| 20:15.36 | momelod | Xeon E5405 |
| 20:15.45 | martianixor | wols_: emmm Oh where? |
| 20:15.55 | babilen | manixor: yes it is possible - but not unproblematic |
| 20:16.06 | wols_ | martianixor: "what is it" is not a statement, is it? |
| 20:16.10 | momelod | "vmx" is there in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:16.11 | wols_ | lvalue required or some such... |
| 20:16.15 | SparFux1 | I simply cannot configure any admin password anymore, even after purging egroupware and destroying all databases. That's strange. |
| 20:16.37 | manixor | babilen Can you suggest me how can I do it pls? |
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| 20:16.50 | wols_ | !skype |
| 20:16.50 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 20:17.17 | martianixor | wols_: emm you're probably right, thanks ! |
| 20:17.36 | manixor | pidgin support Skype? |
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| 20:17.44 | SparFux1 | dpkg is missing the fact that skype disrupts the whole voip network by its proprietary design which isn't at all what ordinary people would want for a telephony system :-\ |
| 20:17.44 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, SparFux1 |
| 20:17.45 | martianixor | momelod: thanks :-) |
| 20:17.46 | babilen | manixor: no |
| 20:17.55 | wols_ | only skype supports skype. but afaik pidgin supports VoIP |
| 20:18.30 | manixor | so, what is the best solution for using skype on debian amd64? |
| 20:18.50 | rgr | pigin has a skype plugin meaning you can dump the skype UI. |
| 20:18.52 | wols_ | manixor: read the factoid carefully |
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| 20:19.04 | SparFux1 | manixor: there are hacks even for voip, programs use the original skype client to have 2 channels into the skype network. But one can only advise against doing such crap hacks and drop the idea to use skype at all :-) |
| 20:19.26 | martianixor | Isn't Tor just a great tool sometimes guys? :D |
| 20:19.37 | martianixor | smirks and smirks and yet again smirks |
| 20:20.05 | rgr | Tor is a magnet for getting spied on by the authorities .... |
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| 20:20.23 | martianixor | rgr soooooooooo true :D |
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| 20:20.38 | babilen | manixor: You would install the ubuntu package and the 32-bit libraries. You might have to remove some pulseaudio related libraries, mv /usr/bin/skype to /usr/bin/skype.real and create a shell script like: http://pastebin.com/f6546e626 |
| 20:20.50 | babilen | manixor: I will not support that though |
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| 20:21.19 | martianixor | Oh boy it's good to be back, ... missed all the funnies on IRC |
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| 20:22.24 | babilen | manixor: But just try the ubuntu package .. |
| 20:22.37 | babilen | manixor: If you run into problem you'll have to check the skype forums |
| 20:22.49 | manixor | ok, thanks. |
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| 20:23.01 | martianixor | wols_: I wonder why I didn't stick the echo before those 2 statments in that ternary ... thanks again though ! |
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| 20:24.19 | babilen | manixor: Ah - Looks like they have a new version. The hacks do not seem to be necessary anymore |
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| 20:28.44 | cast | installing ubuntu packages? omgwtfbbq |
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| 20:29.37 | manixor | I follow the steps and works. |
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| 20:33.05 | cast | whats my best option to get 2.6.31 or .32? there a backport coming up anytime soon? would backporting squeezes kernel be likely to work out fine? |
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| 20:36.08 | wam | Hi, I have a problem with copying, reading and writing large files at once. Whenever I do this, my box freezes (nearly) due to heavy disk-io. Everything works as long as disk-buffers are available. But as soon as buffers are full, most processes stop working. This happens on my local boxes and even on my big 8-core server with a netapp san in the back, with debian and ubuntu. I'm looking for documents to read about that problem and for mount options or other h |
| 20:36.09 | wam | ints... |
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| 20:36.40 | SparFux1 | whatever I try, I cannot get egroupware up and running. eh. |
| 20:37.33 | thenthenio | Hello, anybody knows how to get HPLIP on debian woody? Do I need to add repo source? |
| 20:39.33 | cast | wam: if you find an answer i'd be interested, |
| 20:39.41 | wam | cast: heh |
| 20:40.00 | wam | cast: I'm almost about to mount w/o disk buffers ;) |
| 20:40.04 | cast | hopefully the answer isn't "linux sucks under heavy IO" |
| 20:40.27 | wam | cast: looks like currently. We tried solaris and windows and no probs there. Of course, windows really just doesn't cache a lot ;) |
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| 20:43.08 | thenthenio | wam: I saw this behaviour on many Linux distros... It's like when Window$ accesses a floppy, everything freezes! |
| 20:43.32 | wam | thenthenio: hmm - I bet that's a different thing in windows. |
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| 20:46.01 | babilen | thenthenio: You have to install the hplip package. You probably want hpijs and hpijs-ppds too |
| 20:46.23 | thenthenio | babilen: Yep |
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| 20:47.05 | babilen | thenthenio: You can then select the appropriate "driver" in cups (http://localhost:631) |
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| 20:47.43 | octane | how do i get info from a terminal for something that isn't installed. hplip for instance |
| 20:48.24 | zleap | lshw lsusb lspci perhaps |
| 20:48.36 | cast | aptitude show pkgname |
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| 20:48.55 | octane | wow nice |
| 20:49.02 | octane | cheers |
| 20:49.22 | zleap | np |
| 20:50.02 | thenthenio | babilen: You are probably right: I am used to hplip in desktop enviro, but in this case it will be a simple printer server... mybe I do not need hplip at all! |
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| 20:50.22 | Cain | which virtualization solution works better with lenny ? (the bottom of line is to have windows xp runing on a debian lenny server without gui) |
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| 20:50.55 | babilen | thenthenio: You basically want to install cups and configure your printers. You'll need the PPDs though ... Have a look at openprinting.org to find the best ones |
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| 20:51.18 | Pavlz | hi |
| 20:51.20 | babilen | !tell Cain -about virtualization |
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| 20:51.58 | octane | it's taken a few tries i think i'm starting to get addicted tho |
| 20:52.08 | rgr | octane: you might also try sudo update-pciids and sudo update-usbids |
| 20:52.17 | babilen | Cain: I use kvm and it works great - You might want to take a look at virtualbox as well |
| 20:52.21 | octane | okay rgr |
| 20:52.51 | cast | Cain: do you need a special licence? or is it only the latter windows |
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| 20:53.42 | octane | good stuff |
| 20:53.44 | thenthenio | babilen: Thank you! The printer server is not localhost - I saw that it answered "Forbidden". Probably I need to change cups config... |
| 20:54.08 | Cain | babilen : i'll give it a try thx, i play now with xen but still have a lot of bugs :/ |
| 20:54.12 | Cain | cast : latter windows |
| 20:54.22 | babilen | Cain: What is the use case for that? |
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| 20:54.57 | cast | Cain: was half expecting some "we reserve the right to modify the terms and conditions of this license at any time" clause to exist |
| 20:55.02 | Cain | babilen : launching some apps on windows platform |
| 20:55.36 | babilen | Cain: yeah - i would use kvm or virtualbox then |
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| 20:59.09 | thenthenio | Cain: I use Vistrualbox and it is fantastic! To give an example I have a PC-based oscilloscope with parallel port connection, it works great in Virtualbox on a laptop without a parallel port but with an USB/LPT adapter!!! |
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| 21:01.23 | Cain | babilen, cast, thenthenio : the need of windows is juste to hold a (tomcat server) built-in application which is not ported for *nix |
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| 21:13.31 | zak_ | i heard a lot about virtualization , any body can tell me about that ? |
| 21:13.45 | babilen | !tell zak_ -about virtualization |
| 21:13.49 | babilen | zak_: try it |
| 21:13.53 | lru | what's the latest openoffice version on lenny? I got a security notice that 1::2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6 is the latest, but my apt-get is not upgrading to it |
| 21:14.14 | zak_ | babilen: i need to know what is it about ? |
| 21:15.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openoffice.org |
| 21:15.02 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch7; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.1.1-14; sid: 1:3.1.1-15; experimental: 1:3.2.0~rc5-2 |
| 21:15.04 | babilen | zak_: Running a different OS within a so called "host" os |
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| 21:15.12 | Cain | zak_ : it's like having many 'computers' in one so you can run several OSes in the same time |
| 21:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hugs judd |
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| 21:15.58 | zak_ | Cain: and i can install mac Os, Windows, and other linux distro?? |
| 21:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... people can't afford a real computer, so they have to do with a virtual one |
| 21:16.28 | zak_ | aha start to get it clearer |
| 21:16.29 | lru | CutMeOwnThroat: the debian security email says 1lenny6 though? |
| 21:16.38 | Cain | zak_ : yes (dunno about mac but win an linux for sure) |
| 21:16.49 | zak_ | and other linux distros?? |
| 21:16.54 | zak_ | how many Os can i try ? |
| 21:17.07 | zak_ | i run opensuse here , wanna try debian actually |
| 21:17.15 | Cain | zak_ : yes, how many : depends on the physical computer's capabilities |
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| 21:17.59 | zak_ | Cain: 3.0ghz HT+ 4Gb ram + 70gb free disk |
| 21:18.01 | Cain | zak_ : i used to run 2 debian servers and 2 windowsXP on a windows xp (P4 & 2Gb ram) |
| 21:18.10 | zak_ | ah greeat :) |
| 21:18.31 | lru | http://www.engardelinux.org/modules/index/list_archives.cgi?list=debian-security-announce&page=0010.html&month=2010-02 |
| 21:18.38 | zak_ | Cain: sorry to bother you , but those virtual machine , where it s going to be installed ?on my hard disk ? |
| 21:18.46 | lru | maybe I should just reply to the guy who sent the security announcement :-) |
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| 21:19.17 | mxfca | zak_, virtual machines are stored in your hard disck as files ;-) |
| 21:19.26 | zak_ | ok:) |
| 21:19.41 | mxfca | *disk |
| 21:19.46 | zak_ | so do i nee to make some partition on my free space ?swap ,home and / ? |
| 21:20.19 | zak_ | mxfca: i have 2 hard disk actually, cann i use the second one ?sdb1 ? |
| 21:20.45 | mxfca | zak_, sure. Virtual machines are files like any others |
| 21:20.47 | Cain | zak_ : yes : the 'virtual hard disks' are just a big files |
| 21:21.04 | zak_ | great :) |
| 21:21.18 | zak_ | and what package should i use , i presume package are the same for opensuse? |
| 21:21.20 | abrotman | lru: your mirror might not be up to date .. security.d.o is mirrored |
| 21:22.04 | mxfca | zak_, package for virtualization? |
| 21:22.08 | lru | abrotman: perhaps... I've never hit a similar problem before though |
| 21:22.12 | lru | that I recall |
| 21:22.19 | zak_ | mxfca: yep |
| 21:22.37 | zak_ | mxfca: actaully packages i need to run another linux distro :) |
| 21:22.51 | mxfca | zak_, exist many. try search for virtualbox and xen |
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| 21:23.22 | zak_ | ok |
| 21:23.27 | mxfca | ;-) |
| 21:23.29 | zak_ | thank fo rthe help mate :) |
| 21:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | lru, someone is sending you fake security emails!!!!!!111111111112345!4242424242 |
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| 21:25.03 | lru | CutMeOwnThroat: and apparently to the list archives too ;-) |
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| 21:25.48 | str0ng | hi all.. just want to ask if it's normal behaviour, I installed bind9 to my server, and i just realized, it still resolved any domain, even I commented all my nameserver on /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:26.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | lru, it's a conspiracy |
| 21:26.37 | lru | chuckles |
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| 21:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the guys who made us believe someone landed on the moon got a bit bored lately |
| 21:27.07 | mxfca | str0ng, you need to insert a reference to you dns server in resolv.conf if you want that work for you |
| 21:27.15 | mxfca | *your |
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| 21:28.07 | str0ng | mxfca, i just want that I can still control where my it resolve, it seems that after install bind9, debian assume to resolve to localhost. |
| 21:28.31 | str0ng | mxfca, how can i put a reference to my dns server? can you point me to some documentation? |
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| 21:29.15 | mxfca | str0ng, if bind was intalled in your own machine, just insert a reference to localhost or your own ip |
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| 21:30.02 | mxfca | str0ng, in case you insert ip address in resolv.conf, make sure bind is listen in that interface |
| 21:30.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | lru, well, there's a link in the page you quoted http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6_i386.deb - seems the .deb is there, just not (yet) in the package list... patience, my friend, patience |
| 21:30.53 | mxfca | str0ng, you can start here: http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 |
| 21:30.59 | str0ng | mxfca, thanks |
| 21:31.49 | mxfca | str0ng, you're welcome |
| 21:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, uh, security.d.o is mirrored? since when? I thought the point was it's not... also if it is... it's transparent |
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| 21:32.45 | abrotman | has been |
| 21:32.46 | DarkSun | hi all |
| 21:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/was/was that/ |
| 21:33.26 | DarkSun | i've sid and i've the problem with amsn. last version. he say me: internal error server, but what means? is there a fix about it? |
| 21:34.00 | babilen | DarkSun: Have you checked the bts? |
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| 21:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "what is bts" |
| 21:34.44 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 21:34.44 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 21:34.46 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: :-) |
| 21:34.51 | adb | .. |
| 21:35.14 | DarkSun | babilen: no, i don't checked bts. is there a open issue about this problem? |
| 21:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, just moving things along :) |
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| 21:36.04 | babilen | DarkSun: Don't know - Have a look yourself. Report it if there is none. Gather as much information as you can and write a patch if you can. Thanks for testing a development version of Debian. |
| 21:36.07 | Titan8990 | DarkSun, they were trying to recommend that you check the BTS for your particular problem. |
| 21:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, I think he's recommending we do it for him |
| 21:36.26 | babilen | DarkSun: You might want to get in touch with the developers of amsn and try to debug the issue |
| 21:36.33 | Titan8990 | DarkSun, the BTS and mailing lists is typically where squeeze/sid support is handled |
| 21:36.52 | DarkSun | i'll check. thanks a lot :) |
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| 21:37.14 | babilen | DarkSun: there is #amsn - you might want to ask them too |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: for example: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian-security/ |
| 21:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought mirroring that (or using mirrors on that) was not recommended? |
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| 21:40.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | which was what caused a lot of problems when some huge package (ha, I think it was openoffice, too) got a security update ... about 3 years ago and security.debian.org got clogged |
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| 21:41.09 | Zharf | what's the crappiest, smallest file producing audio encoder available in debian? |
| 21:41.28 | Zharf | ogg is too good |
| 21:41.41 | Zharf | or vorbis whatever |
| 21:41.41 | babilen | Zharf: hehe |
| 21:41.52 | Zharf | this file deserves to be raped |
| 21:42.17 | babilen | Zharf: try mp3 @ 64bit |
| 21:42.36 | Zharf | that may be too high |
| 21:43.07 | wish^ | was working on my server through Putty and as i was compiling something i disconnected from putty.. |
| 21:43.17 | wish^ | What can i do now tooget that process back? |
| 21:43.39 | Zharf | wish^, next time use a screen, and build system that allows you to compile only parts |
| 21:43.57 | wish^ | will the process finish still though? |
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| 21:45.12 | Titan8990 | wish^, no, when your session dies, so does the ps |
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| 21:45.26 | Titan8990 | wish^, in the future, use screen or nohup when running commands remotely |
| 21:45.38 | Titan8990 | wish^, especially long ones |
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| 21:47.18 | Zharf | babilen, 8kbps mp3, perfect! |
| 21:47.19 | razorx_ | Need som help on a busybox problem |
| 21:47.37 | razorx_ | someone up for it? |
| 21:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, a poll |
| 21:48.28 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 21:48.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 21:49.44 | razorx_ | i have a problem mounting a usb stick in busybox, Someone got the skills to help me? |
| 21:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wish^, if you're not using dpkg-buildpackage or something similar, though (which runs make clean every time), make will skip already compiled files |
| 21:50.03 | wish^ | it was a ./ |
| 21:50.22 | wish^ | command |
| 21:50.33 | Titan8990 | razorx_, mount is part of busybox's toolset... what is the problem? |
| 21:51.04 | Titan8990 | wish^, that makes no difference... that just means the binary was in $PWD |
| 21:51.22 | Titan8990 | wish^, sorry... s/binary/executable |
| 21:51.25 | razorx_ | Well im not shure.. dmesg says the stick is mounted to sda , but when i try to cp file /dev/sda it fails |
| 21:51.34 | wish^ | ill try and run the command again |
| 21:51.46 | Titan8990 | razorx_, sda is the device, you need to mount a *partition* |
| 21:52.05 | razorx_ | mount /dev/sda /mnt/hd ? |
| 21:52.05 | Titan8990 | razorx_, and after you mount it, you access it through the filesystem (its mount point), never the device directly |
| 21:52.13 | ryoohki | is there a debian on powerpc channel? |
| 21:52.16 | Titan8990 | razorx_, well, no |
| 21:52.29 | Titan8990 | razorx_, more like: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/hd |
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| 21:52.46 | Titan8990 | razorx_, you need to mount a partition, not the entire disk |
| 21:52.46 | razorx_ | might be why its failing then |
| 21:53.00 | razorx_ | the magic "1" |
| 21:53.05 | Titan8990 | razorx_, also, if /mnt/hd doesn't exist, you need to do `mkdir /mnt/hd` |
| 21:53.14 | razorx_ | it does exist |
| 21:53.15 | wish^ | thanks Titan8990 and CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:53.26 | Titan8990 | wish^, np |
| 21:53.34 | Titan8990 | razorx_, then you just need to create it first |
| 21:53.43 | razorx_ | got it |
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| 21:54.03 | razorx_ | Titan8990, u know how i could dump the whole system to that disk? |
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| 21:55.38 | razorx_ | or can i just dump the directorys and subfolders by cp dirname/ /mnt/hd ? |
| 21:56.12 | Titan8990 | razorx_, are you in busybox because the system failed to boot? |
| 21:56.32 | razorx_ | no looking for some keys |
| 21:57.03 | razorx_ | i just dont know where those keys are stored and vi is not installed |
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| 21:57.33 | razorx_ | so i figured that it would be easier to just dump the whole system on a usbdisk |
| 21:57.49 | Titan8990 | razorx_, im curious, why busybox? |
| 21:57.55 | razorx_ | embedded system |
| 21:58.28 | razorx_ | im doing it from a serial console |
| 21:58.33 | razorx_ | uart |
| 21:58.48 | Titan8990 | razorx_, would be much easier if you had a POSIX shell with rsync... but cp -a should do |
| 21:59.06 | razorx_ | ok |
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| 22:00.11 | razorx_ | its to bad telnet nor ftp was enabled on the system |
| 22:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryoohki, #debian-ppc afaik |
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| 22:02.02 | razorx_ | Titan8990, thanks for the help, i tell u if i was able to get those keys :) |
| 22:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's u |
| 22:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably the brother of james-bond-Q |
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| 22:02.57 | Titan8990 | razorx_, np, but i won't be around to hear the results |
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| 22:03.32 | razorx_ | :/ |
| 22:04.06 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: security.d.o is a round-robin |
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| 22:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so |
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| 22:08.15 | ryoohki | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
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| 22:08.58 | mebus | Hi! How can I remove rules from iptables without removing all the rules ? |
| 22:09.30 | abrotman | mebus: #netfilter might be more help |
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| 22:11.29 | mebus | abrotman: ok. I already found out how to do it, but thanks for the hint. I will join the channel you recommended. |
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| 22:12.55 | rubberneck | I am thinking of changing my home PC to Debian, I have only really used RHEL based distributions. Is anyone familiar with major differences between REHL and Debian? |
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| 22:14.23 | abrotman | rubberneck: package management is a big one .. Debian is also less hand-holding i'd say |
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| 22:14.43 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 22:14.43 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 22:15.33 | mxfca | rubberneck, it is better if you try yourserf known. Someone have your own vision about differences. I recommend you virtualize or install in dual-boot and make your try ;-) |
| 22:16.07 | rubberneck | So in a REHL based distro I can use the YUM package manager, If I'm looking for something i can say #yum search <package> does apt-get have a similar search mechanism? |
| 22:16.44 | mxfca | rubberneck, apt-cache search <package> or aptitude search <package> |
| 22:17.21 | abrotman | rubberneck: you would use aptitude mainly |
| 22:17.41 | abrotman | rubberneck: and aptitude does have that ability to search, and quite a lotm ore |
| 22:19.09 | Malmis | hm does someone know if there is possible to pxe boot ie. debian live cd or ubuntu live cd as persistent when booting it from a nfs server? i mean, how could i access ie. casper-rw persistant filesystem when the livecd is mounted as cdrom? :/ |
| 22:19.11 | rubberneck | looks like the init scripts are different, any quick info on that? |
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| 22:19.41 | abrotman | rubberneck: they do, but it's pretty easy to understand |
| 22:19.46 | abrotman | !reference |
| 22:19.46 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 22:21.58 | lazellama | Can somebody take a look at this and give me any ideas? http://pastebin.com/m79ddbb3 |
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| 22:22.19 | rubberneck | Its safe to assume the Debian distro inculde the on-line manual right? |
| 22:25.27 | abrotman | sure |
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| 22:26.38 | octane | lol |
| 22:26.40 | rubberneck | chkconfig equivilant? |
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| 22:27.52 | rubberneck | meh, I'll figure it out, thanks yall. |
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| 22:30.09 | abrotman | rubberneck: update-rc.d .. i think is what you're asking |
| 22:30.48 | abrotman | rubberneck: when you ask for an equivalent, it might help if you said something like "foo equivalent, and foo does x,y,z" |
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| 22:33.06 | rubberneck | abrotman: Sorry I'm assuming everyone in here knows redhat. chkconfig allows you to query and update the runlevel of init scripts. |
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| 22:34.06 | dondelelcaro | rubberneck: chkconfig exists in Debian |
| 22:34.15 | rubberneck | awww snap |
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| 22:34.57 | rubberneck | Alright I'm going to just install it and see whats different. |
| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | generally people don't use it, but it exists |
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| 22:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lazellama, you're aware this doesn't really give a good clue what it was you exactly did to those disks, nor what you ended up with? |
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| 22:37.41 | jefferai | Hi guys. What's the best way to get in touch with a Debian KDE packager? |
| 22:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that said... the error volume group not found is not one I can claim deep personal familiarity with |
| 22:37.48 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: what's your question? |
| 22:37.59 | jefferai | I want to make sure they are aware of the patch for the screensaver vuln |
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| 22:40.04 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564080 ? |
| 22:40.04 | jhutchins_lt | jefferai: I would see if there's a bugreport on it and post to the bugreport. |
| 22:40.40 | jefferai | jhutchins_lt: IIRC you guys have some strange way of posting to bug reports |
| 22:41.11 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: you just send mail; it's pretty easy |
| 22:41.18 | jefferai | also, not the same bug |
| 22:41.19 | jhutchins_lt | jefferai: There are some options that other distros don't. |
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| 22:41.31 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: what CVE? |
| 22:41.41 | jefferai | not assigned yet, but: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2010/02/12/2 |
| 22:42.49 | dondelelcaro | I'll file the bug for it; where's the patch? |
| 22:43.07 | dondelelcaro | ugh... bugs.kde.org is dog-slow |
| 22:43.13 | jefferai | yeah |
| 22:43.14 | jefferai | here: http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1089241&view=revision |
| 22:43.30 | jefferai | against 4.4.0 |
| 22:43.33 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: cool, thanks |
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| 22:43.49 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: do you happen to know the earliest version of kscreensaver affected? |
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| 22:44.01 | jefferai | released versions, only 4.4.0 |
| 22:44.08 | micols | what could be the cause for a script not running at boot in rc2.d ? , it is a+rx mode and #!/bin/bash at top , all other scripts run? |
| 22:44.09 | dondelelcaro | ok, thanks |
| 22:44.09 | jefferai | does not affect the 4.3 series |
| 22:44.24 | jefferai | and has been backported so shouldn't be in 4.4.1 |
| 22:44.26 | micols | also it is S99myscript name |
| 22:44.32 | dondelelcaro | oh; heh. we don't distribute kscreensaver 4.4 |
| 22:44.38 | jefferai | ah, ok |
| 22:44.42 | jefferai | well |
| 22:44.43 | jefferai | actually |
| 22:44.45 | jefferai | it's not kscreensaver |
| 22:44.47 | jefferai | it's krunner |
| 22:45.15 | jefferai | the locking capability lives in krunner |
| 22:45.32 | jefferai | i imagine the screensaver can run on top of that, but e.g. I don't run screensavers at but I do lock the screen |
| 22:46.36 | dondelelcaro | shows how little I've followed kde changes recently |
| 22:46.57 | jefferai | apparently not for more than two years :-) |
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| 22:47.33 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: more like 10; we don't even distribut 4.4 of krunner |
| 22:48.02 | dondelelcaro | (it's in the kdebase-workspace-bin package) |
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| 22:48.43 | jefferai | OK. 4.4 only came out a bit ago, so I guess you guys don't have packages yet |
| 22:48.45 | jefferai | I figured you might in sid |
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| 22:49.05 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: nope; you can check using packages.debian.org/kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 22:49.26 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, we don't have a huge number of people doing work on kde |
| 22:49.47 | jefferai | yeah, that's too bad |
| 22:49.53 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 22:51.22 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: yeah, I know the teams would love to have more people... anyway, you can also send a message to debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org if you need to talk to the maintainers, too |
| 22:51.58 | jefferai | OK. I'll try to remember that :-) |
| 22:52.18 | jefferai | dondelelcaro: I have a feeling that when debian standardized on Gnome the people interested in KDE just went elsewhere |
| 22:52.24 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: you can always look it up, too; http://packages.debian.org lists it all |
| 22:52.32 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: honestly, we don't have many people working on gnome, either |
| 22:52.37 | jefferai | heh |
| 22:52.46 | jefferai | has debian just had a lot of attrition, period? |
| 22:52.56 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: nah, a lot of us just don't use either |
| 22:53.00 | jefferai | ah, ok |
| 22:53.13 | jefferai | so you're either not using it for desktops, or using something else |
| 22:53.35 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: probably near 50% are using awesome or similar, without a DM. |
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| 22:54.11 | jefferai | near 50% of devs, or users? |
| 22:54.16 | jefferai | has been meaning to check out awesome |
| 22:54.18 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: of developers |
| 22:54.22 | jefferai | ok |
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| 22:54.49 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: users are a bit different, but you pretty much have to have a set of developers who use a desktop to make it viable |
| 22:55.21 | jefferai | Yep. |
| 22:55.24 | dondelelcaro | (and honeslty, because gnome and kde are both a bit user-heavy/developer-light, maintaining them causes burnout) |
| 22:55.50 | jefferai | developer-light? |
| 22:56.19 | dondelelcaro | jefferai: meaning that the ratio of developers/contributors using kde to the number of total users is skewed towards users |
| 22:56.36 | jefferai | oh, inside Debian |
| 22:56.47 | dondelelcaro | so you get lots of bugs, few patches, etc... |
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| 22:57.00 | jefferai | yeah |
| 22:57.06 | jefferai | I understand |
| 22:57.15 | dondelelcaro | (and most of the DMs have been trending towards increasing interdependency and complexity for the past few years, which makes maintaining them even more demanding) |
| 22:57.31 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, nothing that can be solved here |
| 22:57.32 | jefferai | yep |
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| 23:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you could recruit him :) |
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| 23:03.15 | jefferai | nah...Debian's okay, but I'm a rolling release fan |
| 23:04.04 | octane | what is recommended to gather system specs? |
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| 23:06.32 | PovAddict | how do I configure aptitude to use sudo instead of su, when switching to root mode? |
| 23:06.49 | streuner | heh |
| 23:06.54 | octane | i am wanting to view my system specs via terminal, is there an easy way to do this? |
| 23:07.03 | streuner | lshw? |
| 23:07.03 | cast | octane: what specs? |
| 23:07.11 | hajhouse | PovAddict: sudo aptitude ... |
| 23:07.15 | amphi | octane: lspci, lshw, demidecode, etc |
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| 23:07.26 | PovAddict | hajhouse: I know that... |
| 23:07.28 | amphi | *dmidecode |
| 23:07.33 | octane | general sys specs : System: Host mint Kernel 2.6.31-14-generic i686 (32 bit) Distro Linux Mint 8 Helena - Main Edition |
| 23:07.37 | octane | graphics card etc etc |
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| 23:07.47 | PovAddict | but after starting aptitude as non-root, it has a "become root" option |
| 23:07.49 | hajhouse | PovAddict: sorry, i guests i don't understand your question then. |
| 23:07.50 | PovAddict | which uses su |
| 23:07.55 | themill | dpkg: tell PovAddict about aptitude docs |
| 23:08.04 | hajhouse | PovAddict: ah, ok. |
| 23:09.05 | octane | cast, amphi perhaps not so detailed, just a general overview |
| 23:09.46 | octane | ram cpu gfx card...u know something like you'd have in a sig |
| 23:10.58 | octane | inxi is what i'm looking for |
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| 23:12.14 | Hexxeh | Hi |
| 23:12.27 | Hexxeh | If I don't have a package manager at all, what's the easiest way to get apt/dpkg installed and set up? |
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| 23:13.12 | themill | Hexxeh: as the people who supply you with the rest of your distro. |
| 23:13.44 | Hexxeh | themill: It's a bit of weird situation, they don't supply any package manager |
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| 23:14.10 | Hexxeh | And uh, well, I'm heavily modifying a distro to build my own of sorts. |
| 23:14.39 | slummer | packages.debian.org/kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 23:14.39 | slummer | 17:49 < dondelelcaro> unfortunatly, we don't have a huge number of people doing work on kde |
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| 23:27.03 | dondelelcaro | hajhouse: what PovAdict was looking for is su-to-root (which is actually what aptitude uses) and /etc/su-to-rootrc |
| 23:28.51 | themill | dondelelcaro: aptitude's docs claim that Aptitude::Get-Root-Command defaults to /usr/bin/su, but it would certainly be more sensible to use su-to-root. |
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| 23:30.04 | dondelelcaro | ah, that's because su-to-root is in the menu package |
| 23:30.19 | dondelelcaro | it probably should default to su unless su-to-root was available |
| 23:31.12 | themill | Having to separately configure gksu, kdesu, su-to-root, ... is a bit silly. |
| 23:31.48 | dondelelcaro | pretty much everything should be using su-to-root, I think |
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| 23:32.20 | zu22 | what is going on |
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| 23:32.27 | zu22 | i can't find xemacs in squeeze |
| 23:32.32 | dondelelcaro | but there are problems for packages which have priority > optional |
| 23:32.43 | zu22 | using: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 23:32.56 | zu22 | it used to be there a few months ago |
| 23:33.04 | zu22 | how do i get xemacs for debian squeeze? |
| 23:33.37 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it was removed from testing because of #540470 and #561100 among others |
| 23:33.47 | dondelelcaro | zu22: honestly, you should consider using emacs instead. |
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| 23:34.16 | dondelelcaro | zu22: alternatively, you can compile the version in unstable for squeeze, or help the maintainer of xemacs21 fix those RC bugs so it can propogate normally |
| 23:34.41 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: oh my! thanks for the info |
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| 23:39.59 | esaym153 | anyone have a copy of network-manager_0.7.2-2_i386.deb and libnm-util1_0.7.2-2_i386.deb ? |
| 23:41.13 | abrotman | esaym153: what's wrong with the one you have? |
| 23:41.29 | esaym153 | absolutely broken with no fix |
| 23:41.46 | esaym153 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567354 |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | esaym153: you could uh .. just not use n-m |
| 23:42.18 | esaym153 | the update was not compatible with testing, and all of the old packages have been removed. |
| 23:42.42 | esaym153 | abrotman: sure but waht kind of fix is that ? |
| 23:43.14 | abrotman | esaym153: better than reverting to old packages? |
| 23:43.19 | abrotman | IMO anyway |
| 23:43.20 | esaym153 | I am sure someone has these copies in the var/cache |
| 23:43.37 | esaym153 | there is nothing wrong with the old package though |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | judd: versions libnm-util1 |
| 23:43.50 | judd | libnm-util1 -- lenny-backports: 0.7.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.999-2; sid: 0.7.999-3 |
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| 23:44.08 | abrotman | esaym153: i have that n-m here, it works |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | esaym153: that said, i'm not using KDE |
| 23:44.31 | themill | that bug implies that it's a n-m-kde bug |
| 23:44.43 | esaym153 | yes |
| 23:44.49 | themill | !snapshot |
| 23:44.49 | dpkg | http://stabile.debian.org:5001/ (soon to be http://snapshots.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. |
| 23:44.58 | esaym153 | strange, I thought I had checked the backports |
| 23:45.16 | abrotman | blames KDE |
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| 23:45.53 | themill | well... to be fair libraries should just go changing their API in an incompatible way without proper versioning/sonames etc. |
| 23:46.25 | errr | wheat man page has documentation about if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d ? |
| 23:46.30 | errr | what* |
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| 23:46.33 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 23:46.49 | lenswipe | im getting notification telling me that the /var/ partition is full |
| 23:46.56 | lenswipe | can someone tell me a good way to free up space |
| 23:47.02 | abrotman | lenswipe: aptitude clean |
| 23:47.03 | lenswipe | i think i reserved about 5GB for / |
| 23:47.06 | lenswipe | ty |
| 23:47.12 | niriven | im enjoying lenny with lenny-backports, yay. |
| 23:47.35 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Did I suggest that you use a single partition rather than chopping up the space? |
| 23:47.56 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: yep, unfortunately - after id installed debian |
| 23:48.12 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Ah, sorry. |
| 23:48.15 | lenswipe | :p |
| 23:48.18 | lenswipe | its k |
| 23:48.23 | lenswipe | i didnt ask for help till then anyway |
| 23:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | var has lots of things in it. logs, mail, databases |
| 23:49.45 | lenswipe | yh |
| 23:49.54 | lenswipe | i just got a cry for help from mysql |
| 23:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | That's VERY BAD. |
| 23:50.12 | lenswipe | mmhmm |
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| 23:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | I do hope you have backups of the database. |
| 23:50.32 | lenswipe | lol nono |
| 23:50.34 | errr | ah found it in man interfaces |
| 23:50.37 | lenswipe | it wasnt that kind of thing |
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| 23:50.42 | lenswipe | it was just saying /var/ was full |
| 23:51.07 | lenswipe | this machine is only a dev server anyway |
| 23:51.16 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, when /var runs out of space MySQL can't write to the databases, and they are frequently corrupted. |
| 23:51.35 | lenswipe | right now i dont think i have any DBs on there |
| 23:51.45 | lenswipe | or if i do its not anything important |
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| 23:52.08 | jhutchins_lt | One of the first things you can do is run logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 23:52.29 | jhutchins_lt | Also move any mail out of your inbox into other folders. |
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| 23:52.55 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: i dont have any inboxes |
| 23:53.02 | lenswipe | so again - thats not an issue |
| 23:53.38 | lenswipe | this debian machine is a "im going to run this command and if it cocks the system up at least it wasnt a live system and i can always re-install" machine |
| 23:53.44 | jhutchins_lt | K, well, I'm just giving you things you can do to reduce space. You can do aptitude clean. |
| 23:53.52 | lenswipe | ok thanks |
| 23:53.55 | nsadmin | lenswipe: just a tip... many times a dev server could be rotated into production, for example in some kind of emergency. |
| 23:54.01 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Ah, well, when you reinstall repartition. |
| 23:54.23 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: *IF* i re-install - that netinstall took 9 hours last time, its not something i hope to repeat |
| 23:54.25 | nsadmin | so it might be a good thing to partition it the same as your production box |
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| 23:54.51 | K4rl | hai |
| 23:54.52 | lenswipe | nsadmin: this one will never be rotated into production - EVER |
| 23:54.56 | nsadmin | you can copy stuff instead, tar is great for that and for backup |
| 23:54.58 | K4rl | how can you do sudo in an .sh file? |
| 23:55.26 | nsadmin | which shell? bash? |
| 23:55.29 | K4rl | yeah |
| 23:55.47 | themill | "do sudo"? |
| 23:55.48 | nsadmin | so you're wondering how to enter your passwd |
| 23:55.52 | K4rl | indeed |
| 23:55.56 | K4rl | what nsadmin said :) |
| 23:57.57 | nsadmin | lenswipe: if you decide to rearrange your partitions, notice that a tar is actually a stream... you can do things like, tar c | tar x (many details omitted here). |
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