| 00:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: You know, there are upgrade/install guides on the web site. Have you considered just doing what it says on line 7? |
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| 00:00.47 | SimManiac | well, good night all |
| 00:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, I think there was a bugreport on that |
| 00:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, anyway, can't you install the newer kernel, reboot, then do the rest? |
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| 00:03.12 | Agiofws | how do you compile ffmpeg on debian |
| 00:03.16 | Agiofws | whne its old ? |
| 00:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me the newer kernel will work with an older udev, but not vice-versa, that means if the new kernel can't boot for some reason you're stuck? |
| 00:03.26 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: not now :-| I think this is kind of a mess, with only part of the packages installed... I'm not sure what would be the result if I reboot now |
| 00:03.26 | Agiofws | i even did apt-get upgrade |
| 00:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 00:03.35 | judd | ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8; etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1; lenny: 0.svn20080206-18; etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-5; sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-6; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20100126-0.0; sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20100208-0.1 |
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| 00:03.37 | Agiofws | but it did not seeem to work |
| 00:03.45 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:/mnt/videos/ffmpeg-source/svn/trunk$./configure --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libx264 --enable-libgsm --enable-postproc --enable-libxvid --enable-libfaac --enable-pthreads --enable-libvorbis --enable-libfaad --enable-gpl --enable-x11grab --enable-nonfree |
| 00:03.46 | Agiofws | ERROR: libx264 version must be >= 0.83. |
| 00:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, don't paste crap |
| 00:04.43 | Agiofws | libx264 version must be >= 0.83. |
| 00:04.50 | Agiofws | upgrade did not fiox that |
| 00:04.58 | Agiofws | so i have compile from source that aswell ? |
| 00:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 5:0.5+svn20100126-0.0 in squeeze-multimedia |
| 00:05.53 | Agiofws | squeeze-multimedia |
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| 00:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you backporting that one? |
| 00:06.02 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.30 | Agiofws | is ther a way t o com,pile ffmpeg latest on debian lenny ? |
| 00:07.31 | dergringo | Hey. I'm can't remember the name of the application that measures data throughput. |
| 00:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, me neither :) and it's your decision, but seems to me the most disastrous things that can happen are when you're unable to load the kernel or important modules or when somehow runtime libraries make all programs segfault |
| 00:07.46 | dergringo | You usually use it as a pipe |
| 00:08.06 | streuner_ | dergringo: iptraf? |
| 00:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, /msg dpkg ssb and /msg dpkg dmm - the dmm squeeze one is from 2010 which should be pretty new... |
| 00:08.46 | dergringo | streuner_, no it's not about networking. It's for dd and stuff |
| 00:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, so you probably want to get it from there instead of from squeeze... and |
| 00:09.02 | streuner_ | dergringo: mc |
| 00:09.25 | streuner_ | but dd? wait |
| 00:09.29 | dergringo | midnight commander? :) |
| 00:09.32 | Agiofws | CutMeOwnThroat, what does squeeze provode ? |
| 00:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | see above |
| 00:09.39 | Agiofws | provide ? |
| 00:09.39 | streuner_ | yeah, for cp |
| 00:09.49 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.35 | dergringo | streuner_, ahh got it: cpipe Thank you :) |
| 00:10.42 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I just: dpkg -i linux-* but I had a such warning about needed modules, namely loop-aes http://pastebin.com/d6f36cae7 How exactly do I do this for my new kernel? |
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| 00:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... libx264 > 0.83... - not sure about that, there seems to be some strange versioning with that |
| 00:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libx264-dev |
| 00:11.21 | judd | libx264-dev -- etch-multimedia: 0.svn20070309-4.1etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:0.svn20090115-0.0; sid-multimedia: 1:0.svn20100126-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 1:0.svn20100126-0.0 |
| 00:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and those are all svn versions |
| 00:12.22 | Agiofws | CutMeOwnThroat, can i add a sqeeze repo to a lenny distro ? |
| 00:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !AES |
| 00:12.25 | dpkg | aes is probably the Advanced Encryption Standard and is expected to replace <DES> during the early part of the next century. All candidates for the AES must be symmetric block cyphers supporting atleast 128, 192, and 256 bit keys. See http://www.nist.gov/aes for more information. rijndael, or rijndael was only picked because it worked the best on a smart card. <Twofish> should have won, or very weak, as described and detailed here: ... |
| 00:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, no, you should backport (i.e. compile) those packages for lenny... as dpkg tells you when you do /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:13.17 | Agiofws | compile w |
| 00:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, are you using encryption on some of the drives?! |
| 00:13.22 | Agiofws | compile what |
| 00:13.23 | Agiofws | ? |
| 00:13.33 | Agiofws | i cant even compile |
| 00:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 00:13.36 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 00:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read this? |
| 00:13.47 | Agiofws | too old s/w or deps to compile new ffmpeg |
| 00:13.58 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, on my single drive... this is a laptop |
| 00:14.06 | yagoo | i installed the backport keyring and still aptitude saying about untrusted sources |
| 00:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 00:14.14 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: if this thing fails... not boot for me :( |
| 00:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, sounds like it would fail right now |
| 00:14.32 | jhutchins_lt | monkey_d_luffy: Burn a live CD for rescue purposes. |
| 00:14.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | still loadsa fun with an encrypted drive |
| 00:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agiofws, yes, that happens... then indeed you have to compile/package those as well, which can become rather tedious |
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| 00:16.08 | Agiofws | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 00:16.11 | Agiofws | thast already there |
| 00:16.21 | Agiofws | didnt help |
| 00:16.22 | Agiofws | though |
| 00:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !enter |
| 00:16.29 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 00:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | an no, judd said it's not there |
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| 00:19.05 | puff | Hey there... I was thinking, just recently, that too many hoops are required to set up java web app hosting. And then I thought, now that we have GPL'd java and hence deb-packaged java, maybe I should look into setting up a meta-package that installs all of the appropriate bits and pieces to do java web app hosting. |
| 00:19.22 | puff | Anyone know if somebody's done this already? |
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| 00:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | look if there's an ITP bugreport... |
| 00:20.13 | jeeves_Moss | how can I find and mount a NTFS partition that's built on a RAID1 stripe set? |
| 00:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | assemble the raid, then mount it |
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| 00:23.28 | jeeves_Moss | CutMeOwnThroat, the RAID set was built when the box was a windows 2000 server (2x500Gb disks), and there is data on the stripe set. |
| 00:24.15 | kermit | jeeves_Moss: hardware or software raid? |
| 00:24.45 | jeeves_Moss | kermit, hardware. 2 port SATA card |
| 00:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's really transparent to the OS? |
| 00:26.11 | jeeves_Moss | CutMeOwnThroat, it was to Windows. But using Webmin, it shows as 2 disks, but one disk shows as a NTFS partition (the other disk shows no partition on it). the first disk has the 1Tb NTFS partition on it |
| 00:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | look up if it's a true hardware raid |
| 00:26.53 | jeeves_Moss | CutMeOwnThroat, is there a way to do that from the CLI? |
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| 00:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant like google for the name of whatever's providing the raid |
| 00:27.55 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm trying to build a module using module-assistant, but: m-a -k /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/ auto-install loop-aes gets me: warning, /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/ seems to contain unconfigured kernel source |
| 00:28.23 | jeeves_Moss | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, I'll have to look later. the box is rsyncing data to it righ tnow |
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| 00:29.57 | Agiofws | can someomne help me fix this on debian lenny |
| 00:30.02 | Agiofws | ERROR: libx264 version must be >= 0.83. |
| 00:30.19 | dondelelcaro | Agiofws: what is giving you that error? what are you trying to do? |
| 00:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, why don't you take 2.6.30... there's a loop-aes-modules-2.6.30-2-686 package |
| 00:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, or was 30->32 what started all that mess? |
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| 00:32.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, he's backporting ffmpeg (or at least compiling it) |
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| 00:49.53 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:50.00 | iluminator101 | how do i mount HPFS/NTFS external drive with full read and write in fstab? |
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| 00:53.33 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I have 2.6.26 and am trying to upgrade to 2.6.32 since this will be the kernel version for squeeze... I'm almost there, I was able to install all packages... now I just need to build the loop-aes module for 2.6.32... but the damn thing is elusive |
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| 00:56.52 | monkey_d_luffy | m-a -k /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/ prepare ==> Warning, /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/ seems to contain unconfigured kernel source (see manpage for details) <- I am checking it, but it still isn't obvious on what I'm missing |
| 00:57.59 | nevyn | monkey_d_luffy: did you build your own 2.6.32? |
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| 00:58.45 | kumi | is there an updated timeline for Squeeze? The last info on the news page is from 30 Jul |
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| 01:04.40 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/r9tW581I |
| 01:04.45 | Agiofws | can someone help ? |
| 01:05.18 | adb | Agiofws, what's wrong with ffmpeg of lenny ? |
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| 01:06.36 | agike | baliben: I think I've got it working. |
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| 01:07.20 | Agiofws | its from the palaiontogy age ... adb |
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| 01:08.26 | adb | that's not an fault ... it just work |
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| 01:09.48 | monkey_d_luffy | nevyn: no I haven't. I installed squeeze 2.6.32 (both my msg and yours where highlighted and next to each other, so I didn't see it) |
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| 01:11.06 | adb | what's the shiny new syndrome bot message ? |
| 01:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, so you installed linux-source-2.6.32 and that's found to have no .config file? |
| 01:11.54 | smacnay | Is there a burning app for .ape files? |
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| 01:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are monkey files |
| 01:14.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, or did you go with linux-headers-2.6.32-x (which should be sufficient)? |
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| 01:14.57 | nevyn | monkey_d_luffy: you shouldn't need to specify -k to m-a |
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| 01:15.41 | paissad | does vlc have an issue in debian lenny ... i just have sound but no images ! |
| 01:16.05 | paissad | VLC media player 0.8.6h |
| 01:16.23 | adb | no, vlc is ok on lenny |
| 01:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably does't have the codec needed |
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| 01:17.04 | paissad | i have never had an image since i installed it , 8 months now ^^ |
| 01:17.04 | adb | paissad, but try mplayer too .. |
| 01:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | does vlc work with !w32codecs? |
| 01:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !w32codecs |
| 01:17.19 | dpkg | w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 01:17.22 | paissad | adb, yes, i use mplayer or kaffeine |
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| 01:18.21 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I installed 2.6.32 source and untar'ed it |
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| 01:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, the linux-headers should be enough to compile packages, actually |
| 01:19.22 | monkey_d_luffy | nevyn: I think I solved the problem with m-a -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 but I'm still not sure since when I get out of the ncurses interface I can't see any log messages (only a blue screen left by ncurses) -_- |
| 01:19.24 | adb | paissad, and yes vlc can open only some files, depends of encoded used in |
| 01:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, if you're using the source, I guess you have to copy /boot/config-YOURVERSION into /usr/src//thingytummy/ |
| 01:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | make that /usr/src//thingytummy/.config |
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| 01:20.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | monkey_d_luffy, if you just install the headers package, that already contains .config |
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| 01:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually... m-a prepare does fetch the headers package for you, iirc |
| 01:22.35 | adb | monkey_d_luffy, but install linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64, -trunk is yet ...old |
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| 01:23.10 | monkey_d_luffy | adb: I don't understand what you mean |
| 01:23.39 | adb | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64 |
| 01:23.42 | Sparqzorz | I have this problem. I added a new account and changed its directory to /var/www but for some reason when I ftp in you can browse the whole filesystem |
| 01:23.59 | Sparqzorz | using proftpd for the server |
| 01:24.14 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: I think the m-a -l 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 nailed the problem... I can see the new loop aes modules in /lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-amd64/updates/loop* Now I just need to trigger initramfs |
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| 01:25.23 | monkey_d_luffy | adb: I installed linux-image-amd64 (which pulls 2.6.32-trunk-amd64) .... isn't this supposed to be the main branch? |
| 01:26.39 | h4x0rmax0r | need a little help... i need some "security" help... theres a SQL injection point here: http://www.enviromentalgarden.com/test/login.php ... i can get past the basic injection stuff but not into the other databases... can anyone give me some help? i can see a database called financials... would be willing to share some of the data out of that ;-) |
| 01:26.42 | adb | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 -> 10-Jan-2010 ; linux-image-2.6.32-2-amd64 -> 12-Feb |
| 01:27.06 | adb | -2010 |
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| 01:29.12 | monkey_d_luffy | CutMeOwnThroat: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 Well, it didn't complain this time... I guess it's time for the final test... (I have a feeling that even the loop aes problem is solved -- which will be a victory booting my system -- kde will still whyne and probably not start) |
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| 01:40.26 | abrotman | adb: and what> |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | gorn |
| 01:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | now he's using the -trunk one |
| 01:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought (i.e. my apt tells me) there's a "regular" 2.6.32 in the repo now? |
| 01:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps not for amd64? |
| 01:44.06 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat I think not |
| 01:44.14 | Devastator | correct |
| 01:44.39 | Devastator | my work system that is amd64, doesn't show any "stable" 2.6.32 for download.. |
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| 01:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I actually don't see why he's going to all that hassle... he should just either keep his old kernel or take 6.2.30 |
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| 02:00.02 | monkey_d_luffy | (I'm typing this from another computer) After upgrading kernel, udev, e2fs, etc... my system fails to boot saying "bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda2 ..." and then fsck fails completely, even the automatic mode. It mounts the root filesystem in readonly and expects fsck to be run |
| 02:00.40 | monkey_d_luffy | when I try it keeps saying the superblock is invalid |
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| 02:01.48 | monkey_d_luffy | I highly doubt it, since I can already see the system in read-only. And I also remember reading about a bug in fsck on util-linux while I was upgrading... |
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| 02:02.03 | monkey_d_luffy | now.... how do I get around this delicate issue? :s |
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| 02:04.10 | Devastator | monkey_d_luffy let me understand something first.. you basically fucked up your system because of loop-aes module? |
| 02:04.21 | tf | lol |
| 02:05.17 | smacnay | can oggenc or lame rip from a start time to end time and encode? |
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| 02:06.03 | Devastator | smacnay I know it's possible with lame, but don't ask me how, I never tried.. |
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| 02:06.13 | Devastator | but I've recorded cds that was encoded with lame |
| 02:06.14 | smacnay | ok |
| 02:06.29 | monkey_d_luffy | Devastator: let me clarify this: the kernel and loop-aes are fine, otherwise I wouldn't be able to see the system as read-only. The problem is that e2fs or linux-util-ng are borked |
| 02:06.57 | monkey_d_luffy | this seems to be related: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566072 |
| 02:07.38 | Devastator | monkey_d_luffy humm |
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| 02:08.05 | abrotman | smacnay: start/end of what ? |
| 02:08.25 | monkey_d_luffy | Is there any way to prevent fsck from checking my system at boot? |
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| 02:12.00 | hackersdelight | hey |
| 02:12.19 | hackersdelight | anyone out there? |
| 02:12.27 | Devastator | no.. |
| 02:12.30 | hackersdelight | dang |
| 02:12.56 | Devastator | monkey_d_luffy after googling a bit, seems like your partition has problems.. |
| 02:14.14 | monkey_d_luffy | Devastator: my system booted fine before this upgrade. I still suspect this is a fsck problem. |
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| 02:16.11 | Devastator | monkey_d_luffy were you upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
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| 02:17.13 | monkey_d_luffy | Devastator: not exactly. I have a "testing" system... and was just upgrading several packages |
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| 02:20.30 | frantik | hello... i'm trying to update a very old computer where i installed etch.. |
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| 02:21.08 | frantik | but when running aptitude update, i'm getting an "unknown error" executing gpgv |
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| 02:21.59 | Devastator | monkey_d_luffy well, I can't help you much, I have a "testing" system too but have never had problems with fsck or e2fs |
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| 02:25.13 | monkey_d_luffy | Devastator: and do you have the latest version of e2fs* and util-linux stuff? It could also be that it only manifests in this case of an encrypted root system |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | frantik: could you pastebin it ? |
| 02:25.45 | monkey_d_luffy | and it sucks that the damn debian rescue cd doesn't come with loopaes module or losetup |
| 02:26.04 | monkey_d_luffy | I think i'll have to reinstall the whole damn thing again... f****** |
| 02:26.36 | Devastator | monkey_d_luffy I have, but I didn't encrypted my drive |
| 02:26.52 | frantik | abrotman, nevermind, solved it |
| 02:27.05 | frantik | seems that error happens when the system date is too old |
| 02:27.09 | Devastator | I know crypto or something like that has several issues, I read somewhere about it.. |
| 02:27.15 | hackersdelight | is there a chat for new people to learn to hack and stuff? |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | frantik: okay! |
| 02:27.29 | frantik | (its a cobalt appliance i'm reinstalling, seems the battery have failed...) |
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| 02:28.04 | frantik | hackersdelight, to "hack" and "stuff" ? |
| 02:28.34 | Devastator | hackersdelight start by reading RFCs :) |
| 02:28.54 | hackersdelight | were is that found at? |
| 02:29.35 | frantik | faqs.otg/rfcs |
| 02:29.50 | frantik | faqs.org/rfcs* |
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| 02:32.52 | squisher | Hi, can anyone tell me the best way to enable core dumps when logging in through gdm? |
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| 02:34.32 | monkey_d_luffy | any way to stop fsck running when I boot my system? |
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| 02:34.38 | monkey_d_luffy | *from running |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | monkey_d_luffy: it will stop when the filesystem is clean |
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| 02:35.10 | frantik | Ie : repair and it will stop :p |
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| 02:35.22 | the|herbivore | shutdown -rf [f will stop fsck] |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | only if the FS is clean |
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| 02:36.01 | frantik | bad advice .. |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | bad nothing .. the reboot fsck should fix it .. if not, it's messed .. it won't boot clean til the FS is clean |
| 02:36.43 | monkey_d_luffy | abrotman: in my case it doesn't run. After upgrading kernel, udev, e2fs, etc... my system fails to boot saying "bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda2 ..." and then fsck fails completely, even the automatic mode. It mounts the root filesystem in readonly and expects fsck to be run. But when I try it keeps saying the superblock is invalid. I highly doubt it, since I can already see the system in read-only. |
| 02:36.45 | monkey_d_luffy | And I also remember reading about a bug in fsck on util-linux while I was upgrading... |
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| 02:37.10 | abrotman | monkey_d_luffy: ext4 ? |
| 02:37.11 | frantik | i meant the advice of shutting down that way.. |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | oh, did i say that ? |
| 02:37.45 | frantik | nvm ^^ |
| 02:37.48 | monkey_d_luffy | abrotman: ext3 with loop-aes encryption. I can't even run a rescue cd since it doesn't come with the module in it :s |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | runs away from the loop-aes stuff |
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| 02:38.42 | frantik | did you let fsck finish ? |
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| 02:39.23 | monkey_d_luffy | frantik: fsck fails miserably... I think it may be related with this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566072 |
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| 02:39.49 | monkey_d_luffy | it basically doesn't even start... the weird part is that it can mount the system in read only... I can see all files |
| 02:40.20 | Devastator | that's because of encryption I think.. |
| 02:40.36 | frantik | he shouldn't be able to see files |
| 02:40.41 | frantik | thats the problem |
| 02:41.41 | frantik | monkey_d_luffy, when can you mount it read only exactly ? i am kinda confused by this statment |
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| 02:42.50 | monkey_d_luffy | frantik: I turn on my computer. Grub pops in and it starts 2.6.32, right after that loop-aes asks for my password... the system starts doing the boot, and fsck whinnes all over and boots the system as read-only, since that is what is stated in fstab |
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| 02:45.43 | ben_b | [24269.150126] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready ? This is problem i have with an atheros wireless card. This is the output of dmesg |
| 02:45.47 | ben_b | Any help |
| 02:46.16 | frantik | monkey_d_luffy, and you got no live cd to try ? |
| 02:46.21 | Sparqzorz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.40 | frantik | Sparqzorz, DefaultRoot ~ |
| 02:46.50 | frantik | or ~/ |
| 02:46.53 | Sparqzorz | say what? |
| 02:46.59 | frantik | will lock user in "his" room |
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| 02:47.27 | Sparqzorz | Ok so I need to change the ftp server to lock the user to its own directory correct? |
| 02:47.34 | frantik | if you use ~ in shell, its your home basically |
| 02:47.43 | frantik | yeah |
| 02:47.53 | frantik | basically activate the option defaultroot |
| 02:48.02 | frantik | and set it to ~ or ~/ |
| 02:48.23 | Sparqzorz | But usually this option is the default and I haven't changed any settings on the ftp |
| 02:48.27 | frantik | can't be easier than that |
| 02:49.07 | frantik | is not :) |
| 02:49.57 | Sparqzorz | Ok that worked |
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| 02:50.01 | frantik | np |
| 02:50.20 | monkey_d_luffy | frantik: live cd doesn't include loop-aes modules (even though I installed my system from that same cd)... so I can't decrypt the system... kind of an epic fail |
| 02:50.37 | frantik | monkey_d_luffy, :/ |
| 02:50.53 | frantik | i'd say make your custom live cd but seems overwork |
| 02:50.56 | Sparqzorz | So usually proftpd wants you to either go in and either use that option or make the user from inside the proftpd.conf? Isn't that a bit unsecure? |
| 02:51.39 | frantik | Sparqzorz, well you ARE supposed to know software configuration if you open a ftp to users |
| 02:51.40 | Sparqzorz | Was the problem only relevant because I made the user after I installed proftpd? causing it to default the new user to the root directory of the server |
| 02:51.57 | Sparqzorz | frantik, yes I guess that is true |
| 02:52.02 | frantik | and its irrelevant |
| 02:52.10 | Sparqzorz | kk |
| 02:52.15 | frantik | by default any ftp user on proftp can access the root filesystem |
| 02:52.28 | Sparqzorz | I see |
| 02:53.10 | frantik | monkey_d_luffy, honestly if the partition isnt too big, i'd format it & reencrypt |
| 02:53.26 | frantik | i'm sure a livecd with aes-loop can be made easily |
| 02:53.44 | frantik | if not existing already :) |
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| 02:54.22 | Amarande | encrypted FS's are overkill, anyway |
| 02:54.41 | Amarande | encrypted swap may be practical, because if swap isn't used often it tends to retain data long time |
| 02:54.54 | frantik | i wanted to install a crypted lvm for my SAN |
| 02:55.09 | frantik | i gave up after each partition was taking 2 hours to be created |
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| 02:55.30 | monkey_d_luffy | where can I get a debian live image for squeeze? I'm checking here, but it only says debian 5.xx http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:55.35 | monkey_d_luffy | that's lenny |
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| 02:56.18 | nervousTwitch | is there any way to netsend from a linux box to a windows box on the network? |
| 02:56.55 | frantik | netsend ? |
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| 02:57.20 | abrotman | nervousTwitch: yes, tehre is .. though i can't remember off the top of my head |
| 02:57.21 | frantik | monkey_d_luffy, can't help on that one :/ |
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| 02:57.54 | nervousTwitch | ill keep trying |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | nervousTwitch: look at smbclient |
| 02:58.42 | frantik | going idle... kernel compilation for a old beast to do.. |
| 02:59.09 | nervousTwitch | thats what im looking at right now |
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| 03:14.40 | bipolar | Can someone help me with this preseed file? http://pastebin.com/d72de06ad The local[0,1] repos are not getting added to apt, and when it tries to install ssc-workstations it fails since it doesn't have the repos. |
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| 03:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at the name of the channel |
| 03:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | rubs his eyes... nope, doesn't look like it's containing a lot of 'u's |
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| 03:20.21 | bipolar | lets out a long, drawn out sigh |
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| 03:21.16 | bipolar | I knew I should have hidden those lines, then I wouldn't get that kind of thing. |
| 03:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets out a sigh so deep, the Mariana Trench gets a bit jealous |
| 03:21.59 | bipolar | lol |
| 03:22.45 | DogBoy | what you should do is ask somewhere else |
| 03:23.19 | bipolar | This is a Debian installer issue. That Ubuntu uses it shouldn't really matter. |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | bipolar: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:23.30 | bipolar | I did |
| 03:23.37 | bipolar | ... twice |
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| 03:23.40 | DogBoy | or use debian |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | go ask again .. it's not a Debian issue |
| 03:24.05 | bipolar | so... if I reproduce the same issue in debian I can get help? |
| 03:24.13 | Amarande | bipolar: let's put it this way, there is a -very- simple reason why ubuntu breaks so frequently |
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| 03:24.20 | Amarande | do you know what ubuntu is pretty much directly based on? |
| 03:24.20 | Amarande | sid. |
| 03:24.25 | Amarande | do you know why most people don't run sid? |
| 03:24.28 | Amarande | because *sid is the unstable version* |
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| 03:24.36 | bipolar | heh... yeah... I use debian too |
| 03:24.36 | Amarande | get debian, and stop torturing yourself. :) |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | bipolar: go for it .. you're currently offtopic here .. and if you try to lie to us again, it will be evident |
| 03:24.59 | bipolar | Sorry. I can't take the hate. |
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| 03:25.23 | DogBoy | didn't see any hate |
| 03:25.25 | abrotman | that was easy! tm |
| 03:25.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I think he meant heat |
| 03:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | silly cow... even supposing his argument would hold... how could ubuntu-repos be an installer issue |
| 03:25.47 | kj4 | hello all |
| 03:26.01 | Amarande | <Ubuntu Devs> "cool! let's take the version even expert debian users usually don't regard as stable enough for serious use, and try making it into the most popular linux distro ever!" |
| 03:26.09 | Amarande | no wonder we get so many such people. :| |
| 03:26.34 | kj4 | i'm unbuntuing myself |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | or you could just ignore it and move on .. |
| 03:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | DogBoy, we call it "exasperation", I think |
| 03:27.05 | kj4 | nobuntu |
| 03:27.16 | DogBoy | could have been more of an opportunity though |
| 03:27.30 | kj4 | sansbuntu |
| 03:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amarande, it's fine, they get quite a popular distro out of it... which we can further talk about in #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:33.34 | dbbolton | how can i found out what process is using a particular port? |
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| 03:34.19 | abrotman | dbbolton: fuser or lsof |
| 03:34.46 | Hex909 | hello everyone |
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| 03:36.41 | hardbop200 | all - ok, my nice shiny new laptop turned out to be a piece of shit. returning it, getting something different. where's the best place to check to see if chipsets/gpus/etc. are fully supported in squeeze? |
| 03:37.02 | hardbop200 | (want to make sure I'm doing my research) |
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| 03:40.14 | CEQ | hello----i have some problems with initframs....i need to know how to put the initframs.img of mi kernel into /boot....can anybody help me,please? |
| 03:40.37 | hardbop200 | also, I'd like to throw my dollars at someone who is somewhat linux-friendly. does msi count? |
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| 03:41.43 | dark | things are a little fuzzy sometimes |
| 03:42.07 | dark | for example, intel, the "great ally of the free folks" actually don't release that much of wireless drivers |
| 03:42.51 | dark | CEQ, what about reinstalling? may sound silly but I don't know how to put the right parts in the place |
| 03:42.54 | abrotman | dark: AIUI, they release what they are legally allowed to .. (sucks, but yes) |
| 03:43.08 | dark | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 03:43.30 | dark | i heard that anti-radio laws are against the operators |
| 03:43.33 | abrotman | dark: they may license tihngs that are under an NDA, etc .. i don't know specifics |
| 03:43.44 | dark | not the makers |
| 03:43.47 | dark | ahh |
| 03:44.01 | abrotman | but i do vaguely recall something from a couple of years ago .. might not still be valid, maybe is |
| 03:44.20 | dark | but when they accepted the nda, they knew in advance that it would hurt us. but ok, it's fine, it's their right |
| 03:44.30 | hardbop200 | CEQ: man 8 update-initramfs might get you started in the right direction |
| 03:44.32 | dark | i just said it was their right |
| 03:44.44 | abrotman | though, i'll say taht being a pile of firmware doens't make it any more stable .. and this is from personal experience |
| 03:45.06 | dark | hmmm |
| 03:45.08 | dark | :) |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | is considering removing the 11n card for an old 11b card that doesn't .. barf |
| 03:45.20 | Hex909 | kinda new to nameservers. anyone could tell me how do I add nameservers from my regged domain to debian 5 based VPS? |
| 03:45.22 | dark | abrotman, would you recommend a video card from ati? |
| 03:45.30 | dark | abrotman, now they opened specs |
| 03:45.36 | Hex909 | or do I simply forward the domain? |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | dark: oh i have no complaints about intel video (i don't play video games on my PC) .. i was just commenting about wifi |
| 03:46.14 | abrotman | dark; i have numerous laptops with intel video, all work fine |
| 03:46.17 | dark | me too |
| 03:46.31 | abrotman | Hex909: that's part of registering the domain |
| 03:46.34 | hardbop200 | abrotman: my (now gone) asus w/ an intel 950(?) had a bug with the video driver that made realtime stuff useless |
| 03:46.49 | hardbop200 | well, useless is a bit strong |
| 03:47.01 | dark | abrotman, do you think that a card more powerful would be useless in linux anyway? |
| 03:47.10 | dark | since there are not so many games to begin with etc |
| 03:47.20 | Hex909 | abrotman, didn't get that part |
| 03:47.26 | Hex909 | ;) |
| 03:47.33 | abrotman | dark: depends what you want to do with it |
| 03:47.37 | CEQ | hardbop200: well...the thing is that im tryin' to install a wireless driver, following a debians guide...in a moment of the installation i have to write : "update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r)"...but when i wrote that.. theres a mistake...and it says: "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.31er does not exist. Cannot update."...and i dont know how to do to the iniframs.img appear in the /boot directory.. |
| 03:47.43 | dark | abrotman, rephrasing: i am considering between nvidia and amd, what would you prefer? (I have no clue) |
| 03:48.08 | abrotman | dark; personally, i'd go with AMD, they seem to be slightly more OSS friendly |
| 03:48.22 | Hex909 | abrotman, usually just have done some cpanel etc style add nameservers and done.. but have no clue how to do this from shell. |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | AMD/ATI |
| 03:48.30 | dark | nouveau project is very active o.o |
| 03:48.38 | dark | they seem to be sponsored by nvidia itself |
| 03:48.39 | hardbop200 | CEQ: I've struggled w/ that too, I remember finally getting it right but it took a lot of googling. question - why not just use module-assistant? |
| 03:48.58 | abrotman | Hex909: there are two different things .. you can have a nameserver, but you still have to tell your registrar who is responsible for the nameservers |
| 03:49.26 | abrotman | dark; they are not, they're doing well AFAICT, but AMD/Ati have been releasing specs to xorg people |
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| 03:49.37 | abrotman | well, to everyone, but my mom doesn't care about registers |
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| 03:50.03 | Hex909 | ok |
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| 03:51.35 | CEQ | hardbop200:i have been googling A LOT...i even could install the driver with Ndiswrapper...and...excuse me, but how can i use that..? |
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| 03:53.42 | hardbop200 | CEQ: module-assistant allows you to build kernel modules without having to rebuild the whole kernel. it's very cool :) |
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| 04:04.48 | CEQ | hardbop200:oh...thanks...and one more think...do you know some guide that could help me with that? |
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| 04:07.50 | hardbop200 | CEQ: http://www.punknix.com/building-kernel-module-with-module-assistant-madwifi-zaptel-openswan-and-kvm |
| 04:07.57 | hardbop200 | that's just one idea |
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| 04:09.09 | CEQ | hardbop200:thank you very much my friend. |
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| 04:15.09 | hardbop200 | CEQ: welcome, hope the information is helpful. |
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| 04:28.47 | bipolar | Ok. I reproduced the problem on Lenny. Here are is the seed file: http://packages.seseco.com/debian.seed Here is the boot screen for the install CD where I tell the installer to use the seed file: http://imgur.com/uOp0c&EjuRk here is the result, showing that the user was added from the seed file, but the apt source was not: http://imgur.com/uOp0c&EjuRkl |
| 04:29.09 | bipolar | Can anyone tell me what, if anything, I'm doing wrong? |
| 04:30.14 | dbbolton | when i try to SSH to a host, i get this message: http://pastebin.com/d528fabe8 |
| 04:30.32 | dbbolton | i ran "shutdown -c" but it says there is no running shutdown |
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| 04:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it shut down on you and you got logged out? |
| 04:34.01 | dbbolton | i powered it down before this happened. |
| 04:34.19 | dbbolton | anyway, i ran "shutdown -r now" again on the host and it seems to be working now |
| 04:35.35 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat, DogBoy, Amarande, abrotman? Can anyone help me now that I've reproduced that issue on Debian stable? |
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| 04:37.34 | bipolar | I'd really like to know what I'm doing wrong so I can get this system up and running. |
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| 04:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's preseeding via network? |
| 04:39.35 | bipolar | yes |
| 04:39.50 | bipolar | you can see the command added to the kernel options in the first screenshot. |
| 04:40.51 | bipolar | I know it's pulling the file and using it because it added the user thats listed in the seed file without asking me any questions about it. |
| 04:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that'll only be in effect after you configured the network, obviously |
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| 04:41.21 | bipolar | dhcp. |
| 04:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | why preseed/url? |
| 04:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, right, url is an alias for that |
| 04:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't specify auto, though, like the ig says |
| 04:45.20 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: please explain |
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| 04:46.05 | bipolar | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 < I started with this |
| 04:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I've never done that... looks interesting, though... |
| 04:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I'm in the installer guide http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-auto |
| 04:47.05 | dbbolton | could someone recommend a guide on setting up a local repo? |
| 04:47.55 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: I could try that |
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| 04:48.15 | bipolar | dbbolton: I use reprepro for my modest set of packages |
| 04:48.20 | DanDare | dbbolton, maybe you can mount network drives and setup sources.list to point into that? i never tried ... |
| 04:48.56 | dbbolton | bipolar i was thinking of using reprepro, but unfortunately the how-to link on the wiki is from 2005 |
| 04:49.00 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: although since it is using the preseed file, I don't think it will change anything. |
| 04:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should just present you with more questions, though |
| 04:49.11 | bipolar | dbbolton: ah. |
| 04:49.28 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll try it. it won't take long. |
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| 04:50.56 | bipolar | I'm booting now with "auto url=" instead of "preseed/url=" |
| 04:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, looking at that, I'd guess http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt |
| 04:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:56.40 | karsten | Is there an epub-format reader for Debian? |
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| 04:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | electronic puberty? |
| 04:57.13 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: thats where I got the lines to add the repo. It doesn't seem to work. :P |
| 04:57.23 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB |
| 04:57.30 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: electronic book format. |
| 04:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if you skip to configure the other stuff it'll ignore the local0-9 things |
| 04:57.51 | inzo | I'm getting old settings in /etc/resolv.conf on boot, any guesses where they could be coming from? |
| 04:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dhcp? |
| 04:58.22 | brbrbrbrbr | init scripts ? |
| 04:58.32 | brbrbrbrbr | mean ifup/down 1st |
| 04:58.45 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I find epub-utils, but that doesn't appear to have a reader. |
| 04:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, that sounds great! Now only the first person has to start using it... and it is... YOU |
| 04:58.53 | inzo | definetly not dhcp, ifconfig up/down fixes it |
| 04:59.05 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 04:59.07 | brbrbrbrbr | hmm |
| 04:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I guess you did try fbreader |
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| 04:59.24 | brbrbrbrbr | better was launch IO monitor and SEE |
| 04:59.25 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it's not adding the apt line. I found a note on debugging output to syslog. Maybe that will tell me something. |
| 05:00.39 | dbbolton | is it possible to build i386 debs on an amd64 machine? |
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| 05:01.01 | brbrbrbrbr | yep |
| 05:01.03 | bipolar | dbbolton: sure. |
| 05:01.18 | bipolar | dbbolton: setup a i386 chroot |
| 05:01.27 | bipolar | there may be a way to get around that too |
| 05:01.33 | bipolar | for some things anyway |
| 05:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | bipolar, dunno, just having security and volatile would be weird, but ok - I wonder if you need to set use_mirror or some of the others, though |
| 05:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're also still using an ubuntu repository there... perhaps the debian installer just gives up in disgust |
| 05:03.42 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: doubtful |
| 05:04.33 | bipolar | besides, the packages are for ubuntu, but they are built on debian, and hosted on debian, and managed with debian tools. |
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| 05:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'Re saying they should all not work... |
| 05:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about what I said before |
| 05:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | one of the variables could just be unset, crashing the thing |
| 05:06.18 | bipolar | If it was crashing, it wouldn't add the user, which is listed after the repo in the file. |
| 05:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also remove the \ for the multiline and put it in one line for good measure |
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| 05:06.49 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. I started without the \, but added it because that's how it's listed in the example file. |
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| 05:09.56 | bipolar | damnit. I misspelled the host name for the preseed. it just bombed because it couldn't retreve it. At least now I know what happens when that fails. |
| 05:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 05:10.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what of "it added the user"? |
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| 05:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd try with something much closer to the example file first... |
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| 05:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that works, fine, make changes until it doesn't |
| 05:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what's the nit gotta do with it |
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| 05:25.21 | WormFood | is there a tool in debian that will let me merge 2 avi files into a single file (same video settings, of course) |
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| 05:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, fbreader seems totally fine with .epub |
| 05:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | mencoder... oh, but it's not in debian, it's in dmm |
| 05:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | both from the manpage |
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| 05:28.04 | itsosimpo | i forgot how this goes, i install windows 7 first, then linux? |
| 05:28.23 | itsosimpo | trying to dual boot with a partition btw |
| 05:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions avifile-utils |
| 05:28.47 | judd | avifile-utils -- etch: 1:0.7.44.20051021-2.2+b1; lenny: 1:0.7.47.20070718-1.2; sid: 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-2+b1; squeeze: 1:0.7.48~20090503.ds-2+b1 |
| 05:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, you might try it... don'T know why the manpage has a "do not use" |
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| 05:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, there's also avimerge in the transcode package |
| 05:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | itsosimpo, guess so |
| 05:31.29 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, I found a program called "avimerge"...looking at it now |
| 05:31.43 | WormFood | ok, that is part of transcode package? |
| 05:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | just read up... |
| 05:32.10 | nsadmin | isn't transcode part of xfig? |
| 05:32.16 | karlpinc | itsosimpo: Generally, yes. Windows wants to hog the whole disk so you install it first. You might check out the install guide at debian.org. Or the wiki. |
| 05:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 05:32.40 | collabra | itsosimpo: no,... you want to install linux,.... and then videotape yourself taking a big dump on the win 7cd and put it up on the internet for all to see. :) |
| 05:32.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ig |
| 05:32.44 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 05:33.27 | nsadmin | erp... no that's transfig |
| 05:33.33 | nsadmin | nm :) |
| 05:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it was transset :) |
| 05:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | or transmageddon |
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| 05:41.35 | WormFood | great...I install transcode, and no avimerge.... CutMeOwnThroat, do you have avimerge installed on your system by chance? |
| 05:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:41.57 | WormFood | can you see what package it is attached to? |
| 05:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's how I found it... |
| 05:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in transcode, as I said |
| 05:42.11 | WormFood | it is part of transcode? |
| 05:42.17 | WormFood | are you on sid? |
| 05:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | YES |
| 05:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ dlocate avimerge |
| 05:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | transcode: /usr/bin/avimerge |
| 05:42.41 | WormFood | I'm on testing, and it is NOT in transcode |
| 05:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it got split off |
| 05:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:43.02 | WormFood | I see no avimerge package when searching |
| 05:43.07 | WormFood | what branch of debian you on? |
| 05:43.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny |
| 05:43.20 | WormFood | I'm on testing |
| 05:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said so |
| 05:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | get the source package... see what things it builds |
| 05:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd versions transcode |
| 05:45.03 | judd | transcode -- etch-multimedia: 2:1.0.2-0.12; lenny-multimedia: 2:1.0.7-0.0; sid-multimedia: 3:1.1.5-0.3; squeeze-multimedia: 3:1.1.5-0.3 |
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| 05:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's in dmm |
| 05:45.29 | WormFood | dmm? |
| 05:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm |
| 05:45.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 05:46.19 | WormFood | yeah, I have that |
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| 05:46.37 | WormFood | has some great tools in dmm |
| 05:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, as I said, get the source package and see what that builds |
| 05:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or if avimerge was just disabled |
| 05:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | or try avicat that I mentioned above |
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| 05:47.32 | WormFood | ok, thanks for your help CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-file only showed it in transcode, though |
| 05:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then, I only have dmm/stable |
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| 05:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you missing avisplit, too? |
| 05:49.37 | WormFood | yes |
| 05:49.43 | WormFood | only binaries start with "t" |
| 05:50.05 | WormFood | all start with "tc" except one |
| 05:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you can probably run apt-cache showsrc transcode |
| 05:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, see? |
| 05:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's transcode-utils for you |
| 05:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | got split off |
| 05:51.39 | WormFood | yeah, I think we both figured that out at the same time |
| 05:51.50 | WormFood | I saw that...and it was installing when you said it :P |
| 05:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I had to add the deb-src line for dmm/testing to my sources.list first |
| 05:52.33 | WormFood | thank you kind sir! All is good now |
| 05:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait if it works :) |
| 05:52.51 | WormFood | but I was reading in one of the forums, that sometimes avimerge has audio/video sync problems |
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| 05:53.02 | WormFood | if not good, then I have other options |
| 05:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, mplayer has an option that lets you play several files of same dimensions without interruption, too |
| 05:53.29 | WormFood | I have to transcode this (using handbrake) to play on my psp for my girlfriend. |
| 05:53.51 | jw | I need a way to figure out if any packages on my system came from a repo other than lenny/main. Is there a way to do that? I'm hunting for etch packages, to be exact |
| 05:53.59 | WormFood | I have to probably spend 2 hours on the bus today, and would like to have something for her to watch/listen to |
| 05:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jw, jain |
| 05:54.07 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: I got it. There need to be two spaces in between 'string' and the rest of the text. |
| 05:54.14 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: that was it. |
| 05:54.22 | jw | jain? |
| 05:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jw, try apt-show-versions |
| 05:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | bipolar, that's weird |
| 05:54.40 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: how's that for obscure? |
| 05:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I thought you had multiple spaces there |
| 05:55.06 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: I had a space, a \ then a newline |
| 05:55.19 | bipolar | now I have a space, then \ then newline, then space then text. |
| 05:55.21 | jw | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks, that looks good |
| 05:55.21 | bipolar | and it works. |
| 05:55.30 | bipolar | thats the only change I made. |
| 05:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, write a bugreport |
| 05:55.44 | karlpinc | How come I got a security update for the kernel about 3 days ago (amd64 arch) but I don't see an announcement at security.debian.org or it's list archives for 2010? |
| 05:55.46 | bipolar | yeah... and I'll add it to the ubuntu wiki :) |
| 05:56.07 | karlpinc | s/it's/its/ |
| 05:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's another conspiracy! |
| 05:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | again! |
| 05:56.26 | bipolar | CutMeOwnThroat: Of course, the bug report will be marked invalid because the example file has two spaces. :P |
| 05:56.43 | bipolar | although the docs say a space or a tab |
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| 05:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | right! I said you should use something closer to the example file!!!!!1111223 |
| 05:56.56 | bipolar | needs some gentle clarification |
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| 05:57.01 | bipolar | haha |
| 05:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | people just never LISTEN properly! |
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| 05:58.52 | daltio111 | guys i want to implement open source PKI what should |
| 05:59.00 | daltio111 | i consider |
| 05:59.02 | bipolar | actualy, the example file has a lot of spaces. I bet it used to be tabs but gets converted to spaces when displayed |
| 05:59.11 | daltio111 | how many servers for 2500 users |
| 06:00.58 | karlpinc | daltio111: What's the app? |
| 06:01.05 | karlpinc | daltio111: application |
| 06:01.21 | daltio111 | its a website |
| 06:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said it with an acronym |
| 06:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hsiwaa |
| 06:01.35 | daltio111 | any one who connects needs a certificate |
| 06:01.49 | daltio111 | and i want to built an in house PKI any idea how i proceed |
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| 06:03.33 | karlpinc | daltio111: Dunno. Search aptitude. openvpn comes with easy-rsa2 included. That works. I don't know where it comes from or if it's part of openvpn itself. In any case it's a clear example of how to use openssl to build a pki. I used that as a backend and wrote a web frontend once. How are you planning on delivering the keys to the clients? |
| 06:04.31 | dbbolton | i'm getting a "no route to host" error when i try to ssh to my host. the host is running, i started the ssh daemon, and networking (e.g. irc) works on the host |
| 06:04.58 | jw | and you're trying to ssh in from where? |
| 06:05.06 | jw | another system on your LAN? |
| 06:05.17 | dbbolton | jw yes |
| 06:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't really matter if the server is running if there's no route to it |
| 06:05.27 | jw | and the two can ping each other by IP address? |
| 06:05.29 | dbbolton | i can also ping the host. |
| 06:05.35 | jw | both ways? |
| 06:05.42 | dbbolton | can't* |
| 06:05.55 | dbbolton | i can ping the client from the host |
| 06:06.15 | jw | same gateway, netmask and address range? |
| 06:06.18 | dbbolton | and i scp'ed something from this host literally 5 minutes ago |
| 06:06.22 | dbbolton | yeah |
| 06:06.25 | jw | And is this wired or wireless? |
| 06:06.41 | dbbolton | host is wireless, client is wired. both have a static IP |
| 06:07.14 | jw | um, heh - and what's in between the two? |
| 06:07.22 | dbbolton | a router |
| 06:07.40 | jw | well, I don't do wireless so I can't answer your question |
| 06:08.08 | dbbolton | this has never been a problem in the past |
| 06:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't make a differnce |
| 06:08.23 | dbbolton | it really pisses me off when something stops working for no apparent reason |
| 06:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the routing table? |
| 06:10.02 | daltio111 | karlpinc does openvpn serves purpose of whole in house dadicated PKI |
| 06:10.20 | daltio111 | can i write tokens in a usb and distribute to clients |
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| 06:11.15 | dbbolton | CutMeOwnThroat: where is the routing table |
| 06:11.19 | karlpinc | daltio111: That's exactly what I did from my web interface. It dropped stuff onto a usb key. |
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| 06:11.40 | jw | dbbolton: "route -n" |
| 06:12.15 | karlpinc | daltio111: easy-rsa (version 2) serves as a whole pki. (But whatever you use plan ahead for what happens when your ca authority key expires.) |
| 06:13.07 | karlpinc | daltio111: Really it's all done via the openssl command. There may be something better than easy-rsa. Like I said, search aptitude. |
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| 06:14.58 | dbbolton | i can actually ssh from the laptop to the desktop, but not the other way arouns |
| 06:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | /sbin/route -n |
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| 06:16.43 | dbbolton | i did that. i didn't see anything shocking. what am i looking for? on the host or the client? |
| 06:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you pastebin both? |
| 06:17.34 | karlpinc | daltio111: I just found newpki and friends. YMMV. |
| 06:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | do they look the same? |
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| 06:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | there should only be two lines, one for the router, one saying default and listing your subnet |
| 06:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they should be identical on both machines |
| 06:19.11 | dbbolton | http://paste.debian.net/60013/ |
| 06:19.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's 0.0.0.0 instead of default for "gateway" |
| 06:19.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | there you are... |
| 06:20.09 | dbbolton | i don't understand |
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| 06:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 06:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there any reason for the 169.254.0.0 line? |
| 06:21.40 | dbbolton | no |
| 06:21.57 | dbbolton | i don't know where that came from |
| 06:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd remove that... but now that I think of it, it shouldn't actually mess anything up |
| 06:22.05 | dbbolton | possibly avahi |
| 06:22.06 | jw | sounds like virtualbox, vmware or some such |
| 06:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but perhaps I'm not thinking right |
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| 06:22.16 | jw | yes, could be avahi |
| 06:22.39 | jw | I'd leave it alone and just make sure the default route is correct on each |
| 06:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like it is |
| 06:23.08 | dbbolton | and like i said, i scp'ed something from my laptop a few minuted ago. neither machine was diconnected, nor did i edit any files on the laptop |
| 06:23.13 | zxcvbs | hi can you tell me a good dedicated server option to use a vmware esxi server? |
| 06:23.46 | dbbolton | i'm going to bring it down and hope the problem is fixed as mysteriously as it appeared |
| 06:23.47 | brbrbr | SGI Octane3 ? |
| 06:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could run "route del 169.254.0.0" before you try something crass like reboot :) |
| 06:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which often doesn't solve things) |
| 06:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | next thing I'd try would be to run traceroute <server_ip> on the laptop |
| 06:26.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but probably that's not SO very informative |
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| 06:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... does the laptop still reach things behind the router? |
| 06:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, and more than restarting the laptop... I'd possibly restart the router (depending on what traceroute tells you= |
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| 06:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh noes, he died |
| 06:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well bedtime |
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| 06:50.56 | WormFood | why in the hell would pulseaudio be using 100% cpu? |
| 06:51.38 | Tramp | !ext4 |
| 06:51.38 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:54.09 | karlpinc | WormFood: Serious noise on an input line you're not using? |
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| 08:04.18 | Xires | WTF!? dpsycho just deleted all customer users on a shared server! |
| 08:04.32 | Xires | any way to undo this? |
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| 08:05.09 | Leito | cc? |
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| 08:06.10 | SOUL_OF_R00T | anyone can tell me if its possible the linux box maintain the proccess runing ovver variiiiius formatatiioss aand suubsequents instalaatiion this is the problem i thhinj hard but not cant solve after variious triings noe thr boot svrreen over inteçýppvrddos nevermore open i think that onto biios viruses infection, thanks and help... |
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| 08:07.49 | Xires | SOUL_OF_R00T; you may want to fix your keyboard, it stutters |
| 08:07.54 | SOUL_OF_R00T | sorry my kbd it's crazzy |
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| 08:08.10 | sep | Xires, deleted users?; restore the passwd/shadow/homedirectory file from backup ? |
| 08:09.07 | Xires | sep; doing so, but it said that it moved it to user.disabled..and I'm wondering if there's a direct 'undo' command of some sort that I can use to undo everything it did |
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| 08:09.19 | Xires | and then hopefully prevent it from doing that ever again |
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| 08:10.10 | sep | Xilent, what is IT, sounds like you use some sort of tool to manage your users. and without knowing what tool... |
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| 08:10.57 | sep | Xilent, sorry was for Xires |
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| 08:16.21 | shamelessn00b | Hi guys, a debian server of ours has been crashing frequently over the last few days |
| 08:16.41 | shamelessn00b | can you tel me which log files would be helpful investigating the crash |
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| 08:17.10 | tschaefer | /var/log/messages |
| 08:17.18 | shamelessn00b | other than taht |
| 08:17.50 | tschaefer | /var/log/kern.log |
| 08:18.41 | shamelessn00b | ok thanks |
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| 08:18.52 | GeekyLink | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.52 | GeekyLink | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.56 | GeekyLink | oops, sorry |
| 08:19.21 | tschaefer | shamelessn00b: try remote logging if possible |
| 08:19.58 | Xires | SOUL_OF_R00T; you seem to be having problems with the keyboard AND with a Linux system where problems persist after multiple reformats & re-installations..all evidence points toward faulty hardware |
| 08:20.36 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.41 | Xires | I'd suggest checking your RAM first('cause it's easiest) and if that doesn't lead you to an answer, then you may need to replace the motherboard |
| 08:21.26 | wols | checking keyboard is a lot easier: plug in a new one, press keys. much faster than a ram check too :) |
| 08:22.01 | Xires | wols; but that would be inconsistent |
| 08:23.25 | wols | inconsistent how? |
| 08:23.35 | shamelessn00b | we've already replaced the whole server |
| 08:23.36 | shamelessn00b | :D |
| 08:23.42 | shamelessn00b | still crashing |
| 08:23.48 | shamelessn00b | well most of it |
| 08:23.50 | tschaefer | *THUMPS UP* |
| 08:24.07 | wols | shamelessn00b: so what didn't you replace? and why does a server have a keyboard you type on? |
| 08:24.09 | Xires | wols; <SOUL_OF_R00T> i press the keys very slownly aand talk too but wwhen the send to a chan the letter corrupt oursellf |
| 08:24.09 | shamelessn00b | also, the kernel log file isnt showing anything |
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| 08:24.21 | shamelessn00b | cept for the startup time |
| 08:24.49 | wols | Xires: it would be the first malware (or hardware malfunction) ever that doubles letters in IRC network packets |
| 08:25.02 | wols | SOUL_OF_R00T is talking gibberish here |
| 08:25.13 | shamelessn00b | mhm |
| 08:25.16 | wols | shamelessn00b: use a serial console |
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| 08:25.35 | wols | that way, everything gets logged to a remote system while it happens, including kernel panics |
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| 08:29.57 | HackeMate | morning |
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| 08:30.08 | HackeMate | is there a way to configure a network in networkmanager without X window? |
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| 08:30.11 | HackeMate | via console |
| 08:30.17 | HackeMate | or is there a config file that i can handle |
| 08:30.20 | wols | HackeMate: man interfaces |
| 08:30.27 | HackeMate | dhclient? |
| 08:30.46 | HackeMate | i was reading the /etc/network/interfaces and i dont see my configuration from networkmanager |
| 08:30.48 | wols | dhclient is a dhcp client, yes. but the right way to configure your network is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:31.19 | HackeMate | i should configure a TTLS wireless with a certain cert.pem, can i do it in interfaces too? |
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| 08:33.08 | wols | anything can be done in that file. you can launch scripts from there for example |
| 08:33.16 | wols | how is TTLS normally configured under linux? |
| 08:33.27 | HackeMate | i do it via networkmanager applet |
| 08:34.29 | wols | then you find out what TTLS is and how it's configure |
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| 08:45.11 | shamelessn00b | HackeMate: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:46.02 | shamelessn00b | you need to manually write it down |
| 08:46.10 | shamelessn00b | you can find samples on the internet |
| 08:46.51 | HackeMate | shamelessn00b: ok, I was wondering how networkapplet works because it doesn't saves anything in that file |
| 08:47.38 | HackeMate | but I guess manipulating that file is better |
| 08:47.57 | shamelessn00b | network Manager uses gconf for settings and the gnome keyring for password/encryption keys. |
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| 08:48.30 | HackeMate | all this stuff can be done via /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 08:48.51 | wols | HackeMate: yes |
| 08:48.58 | alreadygone | hi, I want to share a folder with another machine. Will it be done using NFS? My PC is on Slackware 13. The other PC is on Debian... |
| 08:49.23 | wols | alreadygone: yes, you can use NFS or samba. for linux to linux, NFS is often preferred |
| 08:49.25 | HackeMate | so I will find a full example, because I think this way is the same for kde and gnome |
| 08:50.03 | wols | HackeMate: man interfaces. have you done this yet? |
| 08:50.26 | shamelessn00b | http://old.nabble.com/Finally,-NetworkManager-CLI-td15509061.html |
| 08:50.29 | rumpsy | HackeMate: yes its a classy way |
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| 08:51.01 | HackeMate | wols: I want ensure what I should find, man command is too extended |
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| 08:51.08 | HackeMate | but I will do it |
| 08:51.47 | shamelessn00b | HackeMate: check the link I just gave |
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| 08:53.30 | HackeMate | networkmanager cli? sounds interesting |
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| 08:55.20 | project2501a | hey guys. i need to install libstdc++6 from squeeze. i don't understand how i use the -t switch |
| 08:55.28 | project2501a | can i have a couple of examples, please? |
| 08:55.29 | wols | project2501a: you don't |
| 08:55.38 | project2501a | i don't? |
| 08:55.40 | wols | use the -t switch that is |
| 08:55.44 | shamelessn00b | system-config-network |
| 08:55.49 | project2501a | ah . k what do i use? |
| 08:55.57 | wols | doing so will mix lenny and squeeze giving you a frankendebian. not something you want |
| 08:55.58 | shamelessn00b | system-config-network-tui |
| 08:56.09 | wols | !wayttd project2501a |
| 08:56.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, project2501a? |
| 08:56.10 | shamelessn00b | lmao |
| 08:56.13 | shamelessn00b | frankendebian |
| 08:56.21 | project2501a | frankendebian. mmmm sounds like a karlof movie :D |
| 08:56.28 | project2501a | Braaains |
| 08:56.45 | project2501a | wols: i am trying to install libboost 1.40 which requires libstdc++6 >= 4.4 |
| 08:57.10 | project2501a | is upgrading to squeeze the only solution? |
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| 08:57.22 | wols | probably not the only one |
| 08:57.33 | wols | compile both, boost and libstdc++ frm source |
| 08:57.41 | wols | do a ssb for both |
| 08:57.45 | wols | !tell project2501a about ssb |
| 08:57.51 | wols | ,versions libstdc++ |
| 08:57.52 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libstdc++' was found. |
| 08:57.54 | wols | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 08:57.56 | judd | libstdc++6 -- etch: 4.1.1-21; lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; squeeze: 4.4.2-9; sid: 4.4.3-2; experimental: 4.5-20100202-1 |
| 08:58.09 | project2501a | meh. i'd rather not compile anything from source |
| 08:58.21 | project2501a | is not a gentoo fan |
| 08:58.31 | wols | no other way. and you do it via dpkg-buildpackage, so not big deal |
| 08:58.49 | wols | well, one other way, check if boost is in backports |
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| 08:59.26 | project2501a | is not |
| 08:59.28 | mand | hi |
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| 08:59.48 | project2501a | apt-get install communism |
| 08:59.54 | mand | how can i force ssh (maybe through ~/.ssh/config) to always allocate a pseudo tty for every connection? |
| 09:00.23 | mand | i don't want to always have to think of the "-t" flag |
| 09:00.51 | project2501a | man ssh |
| 09:00.58 | project2501a | man ssh_config |
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| 09:01.19 | mand | project2501a: well, i did that and i couldn't find anything related to what i want |
| 09:01.44 | project2501a | apt-get install girlfriend |
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| 09:02.30 | alreadygone | I used this command: exportfs -o ro,no_root_squash 192.168.1.200:/mnt/C/shared and I got this at the end: exportfs: debian has non-inet addr |
| 09:02.35 | alreadygone | what does that mean? |
| 09:03.34 | mand | probably network is not set up correctly |
| 09:03.53 | mand | it seems like it cannot find an inet address for "debian" |
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| 09:04.00 | mand | is "debian" one of your hostnames? |
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| 09:04.31 | alreadygone | yes |
| 09:04.44 | alreadygone | it's the host name of the other computer |
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| 09:04.54 | wols | alreadygone: is "debian" resolveable on both hosts involving the NFS link? |
| 09:05.15 | alreadygone | don't know |
| 09:05.24 | project2501a | wols ssb fail |
| 09:05.29 | alreadygone | something to add in /etc/hosts? |
| 09:05.31 | project2501a | dist-upgrading |
| 09:05.36 | wols | !tell project2501a about errors |
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| 09:05.55 | wols | alreadygone: that's one way to do it |
| 09:06.02 | project2501a | my bad: : Build-Depends dependency for gcc-4.3 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package binutils-multiarch can satisfy version requirements |
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| 09:06.59 | project2501a | ja. it war blowencorken dies springerwerk |
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| 09:09.13 | alreadygone | wols I added this: 192.168.1.200 debian.example.org debian in /etc/hosts and ran again the exportfs command. I got no error. What si the next step? |
| 09:09.39 | wols | the next step for what? |
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| 09:09.56 | alreadygone | sharing a folder named 'shared' with the debian pc |
| 09:10.09 | alreadygone | mount the folder in the debian pc? |
| 09:10.12 | wols | project2501a: while it's possible (boost uses fancy C++ stuff) you probably can get away with downgrading that dependency |
| 09:10.38 | wols | !tell alreadygone about nfs howto |
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| 09:12.58 | babilen | alreadygone: Have you configured /etc/exports, or are you only using the 'exportfs' command? |
| 09:13.35 | alreadygone | i have entered this in /etc/exports: /mnt/C/shared debian(ro,sync) |
| 09:14.15 | babilen | alreadygone: paste your complete /etc/exports to a pastebin please. Why do you configure NFS through /etc/exports *and* 'exportfs' ? |
| 09:14.28 | alreadygone | ok |
| 09:15.06 | babilen | alreadygone: You might want to check your /etc/exports and then run 'exportfs -av' |
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| 09:16.47 | alreadygone | ok babilen I ran that command and I got: exporting debian.example.org:/mnt/C/shared exporting debian.example.org:/mnt/C/shared to kernel |
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| 09:17.33 | smallnick6 | Hello. How can you disable efifb in sid? |
| 09:17.44 | babilen | alreadygone: ok |
| 09:17.44 | alreadygone | babilen, http://www.pastie.org/826845 |
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| 09:18.49 | babilen | alreadygone: any problems? |
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| 09:18.59 | alreadygone | when I try to run the command on the debian pc: mount -t nfs 192.168.1.100:/mnt/C/shared /mnt/mp3s/ i get: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.100' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
| 09:19.07 | smallnick6 | Or is there a way to make fbcon=map:1, but by name not by number? |
| 09:21.07 | babilen | alreadygone: run nmap against debian and check that rpcbind is listening |
| 09:21.17 | alreadygone | ok |
| 09:21.35 | smallnick6 | If I use fbcon=map:1, my framebuffer device is 0, if I use fbcon=map:0 my framebuffer device is 1. How can I fix that? |
| 09:21.51 | babilen | alreadygone: Have you restarted /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 09:22.00 | alreadygone | nope |
| 09:22.09 | alreadygone | sorry let me do that :) |
| 09:22.28 | babilen | alreadygone: do you get any errors within debian's logs? |
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| 09:23.02 | alreadygone | haven't checked babilen ... i'll do that |
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| 09:23.05 | {g} | Hey People! Im trying to set a resoulition via "xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 2560x1600_60.00" and I get "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)". I googled for this and found the error a couple of times but no solutions. Maybe someone here has an idea? |
| 09:23.33 | {g} | Hey People! Im trying to set a resoulition via "xrandr --addmode HDMI-1 2560x1600_60.00" and I get "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)". I googled for this and found the error a couple of times but no solutions. Maybe someone here has an idea? |
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| 09:25.08 | smallnick6 | How can I get the kerenl config, and why is the default kernel built without /proc/config.gz? |
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| 09:25.24 | alreadygone | babilen, what debian package I need to install on the Debian machine to enable NFS support after a fresh netinstall? Or is it already installed? |
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| 09:27.23 | babilen | alreadygone: try: aptitude search "~n^nfs" |
| 09:27.31 | sunoano | gosh, I forgot a command: I want to see my last n uptimes ie what uptime shows but also the 4 or so last ones |
| 09:27.35 | llutz | alreadygone: nfs-common, portmap |
| 09:27.49 | alreadygone | thanks babilen, llutz |
| 09:27.59 | sunoano | there is some command for that; /me forgot it :-/ |
| 09:28.21 | GeekyLink | Quick question: I'm upgrading from lenny to sid. apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove these packages: http://pastebin.com/d6ec48134 I just want to know if my computer will be fine after removing them. |
| 09:29.28 | wols | GeekyLink: define "fine" |
| 09:29.52 | GeekyLink | will I be able to boot into it and still have gnome work? |
| 09:29.58 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 09:30.09 | wols | unlikely if you have a nvidia videocard |
| 09:30.16 | HardDisk_WP | whats a EASY replacement for hyperterminal on CLI? |
| 09:30.24 | HardDisk_WP | Anything other than minicom?? |
| 09:30.32 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: what's wrong with minicom? |
| 09:30.37 | wols | but you should know such things BEFORE you attempt to run sid |
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| 09:31.14 | wols | HardDisk_WP: cu. if it's "easier" is in the eye of the beholder |
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| 09:32.45 | HardDisk_WP | i can not type... |
| 09:32.47 | HardDisk_WP | it always says "Offline" at the bottom |
| 09:32.49 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make it SEND stuff!? |
| 09:32.51 | HardDisk_WP | It's connected to the debug port of a board, works in windows |
| 09:32.53 | HardDisk_WP | but on linux i cant get any interaction... |
| 09:32.58 | HardDisk_WP | wth |
| 09:33.20 | HardDisk_WP | cu says "no matching ports" when trying cu -s 38400 --nostop -p ttyUSB0 |
| 09:33.26 | HardDisk_WP | but /dev/ttyUSB0 is present |
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| 09:40.31 | sunoano | ah, well, a reboot history at least http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/debian_notes_cheat_sheets.html#reboot_history ... I knew there was something :) |
| 09:41.30 | HackeMate | hey, if I did understood it well, iwconfig configures the wireless card, not a profile, right? |
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| 09:42.40 | sunoano | what do you mean by "profile"? |
| 09:43.38 | HackeMate | certain configuration for an essid, not for every around |
| 09:43.49 | sunoano | http://sunoano.name/ws/public_xhtml/ggm.html#wifi_and_debian this one has info on how to use iwconfig in order to use your wifi card |
| 09:44.24 | sunoano | ah, well, no, iwconfig is to work your wifi hardware |
| 09:45.03 | sunoano | if you want to set up profiles etc, I'd recommend wpasupplicant |
| 09:45.24 | HackeMate | text mode based? |
| 09:45.27 | aaron | hey can someone help me with this PERL: DBI connect('blootbot:localhost','blootbot',...) failed: Access denied for user 'blootbot'@'%' to database 'blootbot' at ./src/dbi.pl line 37 |
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| 09:46.13 | wols | you sure the password is right? |
| 09:46.29 | aaron | yes |
| 09:46.42 | aaron | i try connecting with mysql and it works fine |
| 09:47.29 | sunoano | HackeMate: yes, cli and text config files, no silly gui |
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| 09:50.10 | HackeMate | sunoano: is wpasupplicant compatible with networkmanager and all those frontends? i mean if i should disable those applets for use wpasupplicant |
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| 09:50.49 | wols | if you configure your network, networkmanager doesn't handle that interface |
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| 09:51.33 | wols | wpasupplicant is something totally different. you comparing apple and oranges here. nm most probably uses wpa-supplicant when doing its work |
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| 09:53.45 | HackeMate | okay, there i go to experiment myself instead talk too much |
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| 09:54.07 | joeytwiddle | despite mounting my iPod with the option check=r the filesystem appears to be case-sensitive. why is this? |
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| 09:54.19 | jrodger | hello? |
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| 09:55.44 | jrodger | I am trying to get my unit to dual-boot, but cannot get it to see the ntfs partition for WXP (needed for work) can anyone help? |
| 09:56.01 | wols | jrodger: does the grub menu show? |
| 09:56.21 | jrodger | tried running grub-mkconfig...only sees Debian partitions |
| 09:56.27 | wols | answer my question |
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| 09:57.17 | jrodger | where should I look for the grub Menu? You mean at start-up? it only shows debian |
| 09:57.33 | jrodger | df only shows the linux partitions as well |
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| 09:58.00 | wols | that is the grub menu. next: what grub version? and what does "fdisk -l" say? |
| 09:58.31 | aaron | wols, can you help me? |
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| 09:59.04 | wols | aaron: I don't really do perl, sorry |
| 09:59.15 | aaron | wols, I'm just having issued with the mysql |
| 09:59.16 | aaron | stuff |
| 09:59.23 | aaron | it seems that blootbot already exist |
| 10:00.12 | harpal | aaron: I think you dont have permission to log in using blootbot user |
| 10:01.01 | aaron | harpal, i did log in with mysql -u blootbot -p |
| 10:01.05 | aaron | and everything |
| 10:01.29 | jrodger | not sure what version grub....fdisk -l shows all the partitionsincluding the ntfs one |
| 10:02.33 | wols | jrodger: I know what fdisk shows. care to show it to us via a pastebin? |
| 10:02.50 | wols | jrodger: what debian version number do you run? |
| 10:02.54 | jrodger | how, sorry? |
| 10:02.58 | jrodger | squeeze |
| 10:03.01 | simonrvn | aaron: a) why are you using the old blootbot stuff? b) did you add a blootbot@localhost user? c) why use mysql |
| 10:03.24 | jrodger | you think 5.0would have been a better choice? |
| 10:03.44 | wols | jrodger: for you, yes |
| 10:03.53 | harpal | aaron: you can check this DBI->connect("DBI:mysql:database=blootbot;host=localhost","blootbot","password"); also ask in #perl |
| 10:04.05 | simonrvn | aaron: #infobot |
| 10:04.06 | jrodger | okay, would that pick up the windows partition? |
| 10:04.31 | aaron | simonrvn, not working |
| 10:04.39 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 10:04.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 10:04.56 | wols | jrodger: all grub installers pick it up |
| 10:04.59 | ribasushi | gah what's the factoid for the next tentative freeze date? |
| 10:05.10 | themill | dpkg: tell ribasushi about wwsr |
| 10:05.14 | jrodger | okay wols, will start again....see you onthe other side...thans for your help |
| 10:05.35 | wols | jrodger: do what I asked you. and pastebin your /bin/grub/grub.cfg too please |
| 10:05.36 | ribasushi | themill: not release, testing freeze |
| 10:05.48 | themill | encourages ribasushi to read the factoid |
| 10:05.50 | jrodger | how do I do the pastebin? |
| 10:05.56 | wols | !pastebin |
| 10:05.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 10:06.02 | ribasushi | themill: I... did... reading again |
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| 10:06.24 | ribasushi | themill: I stand corrected, thanks |
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| 10:06.43 | phaidros | hi, I am just wondering if debian hasn't any xen support anymore in the kernel ?! |
| 10:07.31 | RLa | which web-interfaces like SquirrelMail are available in debian for mail? |
| 10:07.57 | RLa | SquirrelMail seems to require php4 which would conflict with php5 i guess |
| 10:08.23 | RLa | and i cannot create separate vhost for it because my cert does not work then |
| 10:09.00 | wols | RLa: squirrelmail needs php5. php4 is not in debian |
| 10:09.06 | themill | ,depends squirrelmail |
| 10:09.07 | judd | squirrelmail -- Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php5 | php5 | php5-cgi | libapache2-mod-php4 | libapache-mod-php4 | php4-cgi | php4, perl |
| 10:09.19 | jrodger | wols: http://paste.debian.net/60028/ is my grub.cfg |
| 10:09.36 | jrodger | and you wanted fdisk -l as well.... |
| 10:09.39 | wols | roundcube is in debian too I think |
| 10:09.55 | RLa | judd, why the heck it depends on *both* php5 and php4? |
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| 10:10.08 | wols | RLa: OR. not both |
| 10:10.08 | themill | RLa: it doesn't. | means "or" |
| 10:10.15 | RLa | oh |
| 10:10.23 | wols | as I said: there is no php4 in debian |
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| 10:11.04 | themill | RLa: which debian release are you using? |
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| 10:11.23 | RLa | themill, how do figure it out? |
| 10:11.31 | RLa | to* |
| 10:11.42 | T-One | can someone please tell me the current kernel version of lenny? |
| 10:12.00 | OpenTokix | T-One: 2.6.26 |
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| 10:12.28 | wols | RLa: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:12.47 | RLa | it's 5.0 |
| 10:12.54 | T-One | OpenTokix, 2.6.28 still experimental? |
| 10:13.14 | themill | ,kernels |
| 10:13.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-2-686 (2.6.32-8); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
| 10:13.23 | themill | T-One: ^^ not for some time |
| 10:13.25 | OpenTokix | There you go |
| 10:14.13 | T-One | oh nice, big thanks |
| 10:14.13 | aaron | Current user: blootbot@localhost |
| 10:14.16 | aaron | is there |
| 10:14.18 | aaron | is freaking weird.. |
| 10:15.06 | jrodger | wols: http://paste.debian.net/60029/ that is the fdisk print-out.....still think I should go for Lenny? |
| 10:15.25 | wols | jrodger: is there a special reason you wanted squeeze? |
| 10:15.42 | wols | usually, stable is better for people who are new to debian |
| 10:16.23 | jrodger | I occasionally have to translate Office 2007 documents for the office......Open office is std in squeeze, Lenny I have to find and install |
| 10:16.47 | wols | the os-prober script of your grub2 installation seems to fuck up. my partiton layout is pretty much the same as yours, and for me grub2 detected it fine |
| 10:16.56 | themill | jrodger: OOo3.1 is on backports.org as well; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 10:17.27 | jrodger | I just like the securoty in debian, Ubuntu distros are too soft.... |
| 10:17.39 | wols | you could add the needed stuff in the custom section of your grub.cfg as a workaround. but of course that's ahckish |
| 10:17.52 | wols | if you want security and stability, you want lenny, not squeeze. |
| 10:17.57 | wols | squeeze has no security updates |
| 10:18.15 | wols | at least no guaranteed ones |
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| 10:18.35 | jrodger | when I did the install it picked up the wxp partition but isn't listing it......cool will take the above on board and reinstall Lenny, thanks chaps |
| 10:18.39 | shamelessn00b | i no have grub.cfg :E |
| 10:18.49 | jrodger | see you on the other side.....ciao |
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| 10:19.06 | wols | shamelessn00b: you don't have grub2 either |
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| 10:19.22 | wols | and no, you really don't want grub2 |
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| 10:19.42 | kj4 | anyone help with PXE booting a squeeze install? I've got a working tftp server and connectivity, trying to boot from bios |
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| 10:20.10 | sylar | how can I see which app is causing IO wait? |
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| 10:21.14 | wols | sylar: ps or top should tell via process flags |
| 10:21.50 | sylar | wols how about htop? |
| 10:22.34 | wols | just try it |
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| 10:24.40 | kj4 | can anyone help with putting squeeze on a usb only netbook? |
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| 10:27.01 | wols | kj4: install lenny, upgrade |
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| 10:27.47 | Internat | Howdy all, suggestions on any web-based photo management software.. something thats capable of doing galleries, but can work out if duplicates get uploaded and so forth? |
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| 10:28.34 | pythetic | wtf happened to the grub configuration in squeeze? |
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| 10:28.55 | pythetic | and how do i enable splashy in grub now? |
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| 10:29.19 | kj4 | wols. is that the secret? that thought had crossed my mind |
| 10:29.26 | wols | pythetic: grub2 happened |
| 10:29.43 | shamelessn00b | they squeezed it |
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| 10:29.49 | wols | kj4: no secret (squeeze doesn't work fundamentally different than lenny on install) |
| 10:30.06 | wols | but it was always the right way to install anything other than stable: install stable and upgrade |
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| 10:30.42 | shamelessn00b | should I upgrade from lenny to squeez? |
| 10:30.42 | kj4 | wols thanks for that info! |
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| 10:31.10 | pythetic | squeeze is my.. umm. main squeeze now |
| 10:31.11 | wols | shamelessn00b: if you have to ask, then definitely no |
| 10:31.21 | shamelessn00b | ok :P |
| 10:31.35 | shamelessn00b | but why not |
| 10:32.03 | wols | cause things break then |
| 10:32.31 | imganquan | hi all. I enable Screenshot plugin in compizconfig setting manager,but it still can not shot my screen. how to resovle this? |
| 10:32.32 | shamelessn00b | I dont want that happening on our production servers :F |
| 10:33.27 | imganquan | sorrry, solve. |
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| 10:35.12 | pythetic | ok, so i'd add "splashy" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub |
| 10:35.25 | pythetic | and "vga=791" |
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| 10:37.05 | aaron | anyone in here know how to insert a factoid to the bot? |
| 10:38.57 | wols | you say somethin like dpkg <factoidname> is "blah" |
| 10:39.06 | pythetic | ok. umm. splashy fails. |
| 10:39.12 | wols | !tell pythetic about errors |
| 10:39.25 | aaron | wols, i have the factoids from .gz i want to insert them |
| 10:39.33 | pythetic | cryptsetup prompt. "Unlocking the disk ()\nEnter passphrase:" |
| 10:39.38 | themill | aaron: umm... please don't do that |
| 10:39.47 | aaron | themill, why not? |
| 10:39.58 | wols | themill: he runs his own blootbot somewhere |
| 10:40.25 | themill | wols: dpkg <factoidname> is "blah" |
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| 10:40.52 | themill | aaron: dpkg is already full of enough crap -- if you're talking about your own bot then that's fine -- around here "the bot" usually means dpkg. |
| 10:41.35 | aaron | themill, is not for this network |
| 10:41.36 | pythetic | but cryptsetup prompt text box takes no input |
| 10:41.36 | pythetic | i can't unlock the disk!!1 |
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| 10:41.48 | pythetic | oh, or continue booting :-( |
| 10:41.55 | wols | do you need splashy to be able to use the keyboard? |
| 10:42.02 | pythetic | that might help |
| 10:42.18 | wols | ,version splashy |
| 10:42.20 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 10:42.27 | wols | ,versions splashy |
| 10:42.29 | judd | splashy -- lenny: 0.3.13-3; sid: 0.3.13-5.1; squeeze: 0.3.13-5.1 |
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| 10:42.38 | wols | themill: talk about incosistent command syntax :P |
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| 10:43.50 | bullgard | What programs use the environment variable DEBEMAIL? |
| 10:43.57 | themill | wols: how so? It tells you about multiple versions so it's plural. (It's from another plugin... I'd cheerfully mask it with the one from Judd but doing so seems difficult) |
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| 10:44.46 | wols | "version" I'd assume gets me the current version of a package |
| 10:45.03 | wols | in stable that is |
| 10:45.20 | nsadmin | no, version gives you the version of the bot |
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| 10:45.51 | nsadmin | yea, ok, that does seem inconsistant |
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| 10:46.57 | RLa | wols, i got squirrelmail succesfully installed |
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| 10:47.18 | RLa | but can you recommend good looking theme for it? |
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| 10:47.46 | wols | no I can't. roundcube is afaik prettier looking |
| 10:47.55 | T-One | anyone experienced with the ServeRAID M5014 controller on lenny? i should check if this ( http://bit.ly/9GpGUC ) server configuration is supported by lenny and AFAIK this raid controller is supported by megaraid_sas v00.00.04.01-rc1, but this driver version is just available in kernel 2.6.27 and newer and know i'm a little bit worried |
| 10:48.08 | wols | and the squirrelmail homepage has themes |
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| 10:48.18 | RLa | thanks |
| 10:48.36 | wols | !tell T-One about hcl |
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| 10:48.49 | wols | T-One: you can always use a backported kernel or a kmuto kernel |
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| 10:51.42 | pythetic | there is this.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=492451 |
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| 10:52.11 | pythetic | i don't have encrypted root, just some other partition |
| 10:52.27 | T-One | wols, i've already reviewed the kmuto page and there are just the backport kernels listed, are there any drawbacks using the backport kernels? |
| 10:52.56 | wols | vk4akp: T-One security might be a drawback. no guaranteed updates |
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| 10:54.36 | pythetic | no guaranteed updates in stable either :-p |
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| 10:55.17 | T-One | hmm security is a major issue, those stuff should act as a extension for an ISP infrastructure |
| 10:56.02 | wols | pythetic: there is a debian security team |
| 10:56.45 | T-One | i better look for another hardware platform |
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| 10:57.13 | pythetic | wols: but still no guarantee |
| 10:59.22 | T-One | this controller is also build in some dell server platforms and there official statement is to use the backport kernels isn't that a little bit reckless? |
| 10:59.27 | kj4 | wol: tough process here, i've got a usb bootable, whatever iso i put on it seems to cause a different problem |
| 10:59.46 | kj4 | kernel mismatches, or doesn't see the iso at times |
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| 11:00.29 | kj4 | i'm calling it "unotbootin" |
| 11:00.34 | pythetic | T-One: if you want a security update guarantee you'll need to pay someone whatever kernel you use |
| 11:01.36 | tilen | hello i have some problem parport_pc 00:0a: unable to assign resources anyone know what will be this? |
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| 11:03.34 | wols | tilen: maybe it can't assing IRQ or DMA to your parallelport. do you have any actual problems with your parallel port? |
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| 11:04.27 | perty | hithere, is it possible to link folders like you link files? so if, for example, i tell a php script to look in ./folder, it's actually looking in ../../folder ? |
| 11:04.31 | tilen | i install debian 5 when he start at first time he start very slow and he dont start to end |
| 11:04.51 | T-One | pythetic, yeah sure, normaly we would use redhat stuff for critical servers but our customer wants to use debian here. i just mean that an official statemant from a company to use stuff from backports is in my opinion careless, i exprected an answer like "we don't support that software platform, no information" |
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| 11:05.13 | ePax | Is there any good howto on installing chrooted ssh with sftp on Lenny? |
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| 11:06.18 | nsadmin | that's distribution independent... you have to build that yourself and no one method that works is any better or worse than any other |
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| 11:06.28 | pythetic | T-One: so you'll need to pay someone to provide security updates for that kernel |
| 11:06.56 | pythetic | no need to buy the whole operating system :-) |
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| 11:08.37 | wols | tilen: do not message in private unasked |
| 11:08.54 | wols | how far does debian get? |
| 11:09.15 | tilen | to the start grub than end |
| 11:09.33 | wols | what debian version? |
| 11:09.43 | tilen | 5 |
| 11:09.57 | wols | and grub shows up, you chose a linux kernel. what happens then? |
| 11:10.14 | T-One | pythetic, the whole os would be cheaper in my mind than a special programmer who just patches the kernel for our customer :) |
| 11:10.32 | tilen | before chosing linux kernel he stop |
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| 11:11.32 | HackeMate | running wpa_supplicant I have a problem that says: unlink[ctrl_iface]: Not a directory, reading in forums it looks as a driver problem (it is already in use) -Dwext but I don't know how to let wpasup to manage the driver, or if really that's the whole problem |
| 11:11.36 | wols | what is the last thing you see when booting? |
| 11:13.24 | pythetic | T-One: you'd bill the customer for that, and then that's the customer's decision to make |
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| 11:14.52 | T-One | pythetic, yeah true |
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| 11:15.44 | wols | what does the customer do if you use off the shell distros? |
| 11:16.00 | wols | the OS doesn't update itself, does it? at least not on a server |
| 11:17.05 | pythetic | subscribe to debian-security-announce and update/reboot whenever necessary, and bill the customer for it :-) |
| 11:17.09 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/m6d9d28bd |
| 11:18.10 | wols | pythetic: and with a different kernel you subscribe to say kmuto or testing and bill the customer |
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| 11:20.10 | T-One | ohh, that was a missunderstanding i think..... the normal patching stuff via apt-get is no issue, i thought you mean to hire someone who backports stuff for the used kernel by himself |
| 11:20.40 | nsadmin | you could even justify monitoring debian-security-announce and billing for each message where you look at it and make decisions as to how you will serve the customer |
| 11:20.42 | pythetic | T-One: that depends if the customer needs a timely security update guarantee |
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| 11:21.28 | pythetic | there's no guarantee when debian will provide security updates |
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| 11:22.12 | pythetic | if the customer needs security updates within 24 hours then the customer will need to pay someone for that |
| 11:22.39 | T-One | pythetic, sure, but until now those guys security guys where pretty quick |
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| 11:22.46 | wols | pythetic: if their need is so extreme, tehy can't use 99% of all commercially available OSes |
| 11:22.53 | wols | e.g. they certainly can't use windows |
| 11:23.06 | T-One | one "guys" too much :) |
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| 11:27.16 | kj4 | wol: thanks, i just had to have the latest versions of both the USB image and the netboot image for lenny- |
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| 11:28.09 | zeitsofa | hello :) |
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| 11:31.09 | zeitsofa | i'm using 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 and 3.2-1-amd64 with nvidia driver as driver for my graphic-card. if i boot the system into gdm nvidia will be load and X is starting. but if i like to switch on tty1 with "strg-alt-f1" the tty is not shown. any ideas to fix this issue? |
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| 11:34.50 | bullgard | What programs use the environment variable DEBEMAIL? |
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| 11:36.36 | wols | bullgard: debian utilities |
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| 11:40.30 | grig | how can i disable a user's password but still be able to grant the user ssh access? |
| 11:41.26 | sylar | wols, so which flag is it the |
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| 11:41.37 | sylar | wols, the 'process status'? |
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| 11:43.37 | bullgard | wols: I understand 'Debian utilities' as a generic word. And this answer is of not much help. |
| 11:44.08 | wols | you understand wrong |
| 11:44.29 | wols | debian utilities are things like dpkg, pbuilder and the like |
| 11:44.41 | bullgard | wols: Thank you. |
| 11:44.42 | wols | but then, I know who you are so it doesn't come as a surprise |
| 11:44.58 | bullgard | hehe |
| 11:46.01 | darkham | some debian user with newest kde 4.4? |
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| 11:46.16 | wols | darkham: metaquestions kill kittens |
| 11:47.31 | darkham | wols, i would need some opinion about installarion and usability |
| 11:48.04 | darkham | wols, goals REALLY gained by developpers |
| 11:48.04 | kj4 | opinion: kde sux |
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| 11:49.18 | wols | !tell darkham about bad polls |
| 11:49.48 | sylar | wols: if S in top is what you meant, then most of the processes are sleeping, so it doesn't let me find IO wait, does it? |
| 11:50.24 | T-One | wols, pythetic: the discussion gets a little deadlocked and drifted in the wrong direction, probably my fault. packages from the backports are mostly slower with security updates and fixes. the stable stuff is, as we all know, well maintained and good supported by the community. and thats the point where i can't undestand an hardware vendor who official recommends software packages from the backports without any advise. and thats now my dilemma, should i also |
| 11:50.24 | T-One | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:52.23 | wols | sylar: from the ps manpage: D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 11:52.28 | MattJ | Anyone have a clue what on earth is going on here? http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15523 |
| 11:53.09 | wols | T-One: how can debian influence the policies of dell? |
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| 11:53.46 | wols | MattJ: this is a problem how? |
| 11:54.06 | MattJ | I clearly have libevent-dev installed, and it clearly thinks I haven't |
| 11:54.30 | wols | no you clearly haven't installed it fully. but you have unpacked it and the files are in place |
| 11:54.37 | MattJ | Hmm |
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| 11:54.52 | wols | since it's a -dev package there are no config files which would need to be created so it doesn't matter that it's U |
| 11:54.54 | MattJ | Oops, thanks... hadn't noticed that :) |
| 11:55.17 | MattJ | I still need dpkg-checkbuilddeps to pass though |
| 11:56.03 | MattJ | Re-installing fixed it for some reason, thanks :) |
| 11:56.45 | kj4 | what DE will the default lenny net image install? Gnome? |
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| 11:57.14 | wols | debian doesn't have a default DE |
| 11:57.44 | kj4 | ok. will it prompt me to choose one later (i'm doing the graphical v of Lenny) |
| 11:58.08 | wols | due to popcon and such, CD1 of lenny has gnome on it. but you can download one with at least kde too afaik |
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| 11:59.00 | kj4 | ok. i had been using the xfce/lxde version- this one is 'vanilla' |
| 12:00.14 | wols | DE only gets installed via some setting in the tasksel GUI at the end of the install which is totally optional |
| 12:00.34 | kj4 | great- thats a nice way to do it |
| 12:00.36 | kj4 | thanks |
| 12:00.37 | T-One | wols, i know they can't, the conversation just got in the wrong direction, should have gone more in a principle direction, my fault, never mind |
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| 12:02.59 | darkis | hi |
| 12:03.43 | pythetic | darkis: peace be with you |
| 12:04.18 | darkis | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) any idea ? |
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| 12:17.52 | fireba11 | hi, need an url with a how-to create a debian netinstall usb-stick please. |
| 12:18.45 | alopoa | hello guys i just finished installing lenny (using the 5 cds) however now that i search for a package like open-ssh using for example apt-get install open-ssh it tells me that can't find the package :( , I edit the source list file putting a # infront of the cds so it will only search internet, what shall i do ? |
| 12:19.12 | fireba11 | alopoa: did you call apt-get update? |
| 12:19.14 | igno | alopoa: have you ran apt-get update? |
| 12:19.28 | alopoa | yeap |
| 12:19.31 | alopoa | and upgrade also |
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| 12:19.33 | wols | alopoa: search for the proper package. apt-cache search open ssh for example |
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| 12:19.48 | alopoa | ok i will do that right now and tell you |
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| 12:20.13 | wols | if you search for "open-ssh" it can't find it since with a single word it searches for that exact word that doesn't exist |
| 12:20.38 | alopoa | it can only find me the client not the server |
| 12:20.39 | alopoa | :( |
| 12:20.57 | igno | alopoa: apt-get install ssh should give you the server |
| 12:20.58 | wols | alopoa: it does. |
| 12:21.16 | alopoa | it doesn't it tells me that the package couldn't be found :( |
| 12:21.18 | wols | it found openssh-server and openss-client for me (among many other things) |
| 12:21.29 | wols | alopoa: what's in your sources.list. pastebin |
| 12:21.45 | fireba11 | alopoa: you want openssh-server probably |
| 12:21.46 | wols | fireba11: install to a usb stick or install from a usb stick? |
| 12:22.04 | wols | ,versions ssh |
| 12:22.06 | judd | ssh -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.3p1-1; squeeze: 1:5.3p1-1 |
| 12:22.12 | fireba11 | wols: put the netinstall cd on a usb stick so i can boot and install from it :-) |
| 12:22.20 | alopoa | it tells me package has no installation candidate |
| 12:22.33 | wols | !tell fireba11 about usb install |
| 12:23.46 | alopoa | in my source list is only security and volatile |
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| 12:24.38 | wols | alopoa: which is your problem |
| 12:24.39 | willian | hi, when i create a wireless connection with nm-applet, where are stored connection information? |
| 12:24.40 | fireba11 | wols: thanks |
| 12:24.57 | wols | willian: probably gconf |
| 12:25.26 | alopoa | wols it seems that my sources list miss the deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org .... and have only the one with security and volatile |
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| 12:25.43 | wols | alopoa: you repeat yourself |
| 12:25.46 | alopoa | wols: so now i need to install openssh-server it tells me it can't find it |
| 12:26.01 | alopoa | <wols> alopoa: which is your problem i just replied :) |
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| 12:29.44 | fireba11 | wols: hm .. still too much hazzle ... *burning a cd that is only gonna get used once or twice ..* |
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| 12:31.32 | alopoa | anyone might know why this is happening can you provide me with a source list for amd64 lenny? |
| 12:31.57 | wols | !tell alopoa about mirrors |
| 12:32.45 | alopoa | thnx |
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| 12:33.35 | alopoa | and to add ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ in source list should i write there deb ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free ? |
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| 12:34.03 | mrbob009 | i got ssh access to my server, but i would like to change something in my router config |
| 12:34.08 | mrbob009 | via http |
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| 12:34.37 | mrbob009 | but when i use w3m to access it, it cant show the router page |
| 12:34.38 | fireba11 | mrbob009: sounds like a be-careful-not-to-lock-yourself-out-case |
| 12:34.42 | willian | wols, i cant find anything about connection there :( |
| 12:34.44 | mrbob009 | any suggestions? (i have no telnet) |
| 12:34.52 | mrbob009 | fireba11: definitly yes :) |
| 12:34.58 | SlayerXP | mrbob009: tunnel the web interface over ssh? |
| 12:35.43 | wols | mrbob009: a proxy or a ssh tunnel |
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| 12:40.21 | mrbob009 | so i would have to create a tunnel at the server to point to my router adres |
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| 12:41.12 | wols | no. you create the tunnel with your local client on the machine the browser will run |
| 12:41.30 | jrodger | wols: I ended up editting the grub.cfg and now I can access the windows partition..... |
| 12:41.51 | wols | jrodger: next time you install a new debian kernel, that will be gone |
| 12:42.20 | wols | so everytime you update the kernel, you will have to edit it again |
| 12:42.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.38 | stdisease | with grub2 there's a file you can put custom entries in |
| 12:42.39 | stdisease | ^ yea |
| 12:42.42 | ravenbird | stdisease: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:42.54 | stdisease | ravenbird, quite possibly |
| 12:42.55 | ravenbird | stdisease: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 12:43.01 | jrodger | what? when I usedthe grub-mkconfig it found it but didn't update the grub.cfg......... |
| 12:43.03 | stdisease | ravenbird, quite possibly |
| 12:43.03 | mrbob009 | wols ? what do i need to do at the server, and what do i need to do on my local machine? |
| 12:43.04 | ravenbird | stdisease: I don't know. |
| 12:43.14 | mrbob009 | local machine is on other side of the internet ;) |
| 12:43.20 | stdisease | ravenbird, neither do I. |
| 12:43.21 | ravenbird | stdisease: I haven't a clue. |
| 12:43.31 | wols | you need to do nothing on your server and start the tunnel with your local ssh client |
| 12:43.37 | stdisease | ravenbird, neither have I. |
| 12:43.38 | ravenbird | stdisease: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:43.40 | wols | stdisease: stop it please |
| 12:43.48 | stdisease | wols, is he a bot?? |
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| 12:43.59 | wols | you fail the turingtest. bigtime |
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| 12:49.59 | zjkhere | hi, can't get internet connected during installation, any possible idea? |
| 12:50.44 | stdisease | zjkhere, you need to verify that your network hardware is being recognized by the system and that driver modules for it exist and are correctly loaded |
| 12:51.50 | zjkhere | i can choose the wlan0 network interface does that mean the hardware is recognized? |
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| 12:52.34 | stdisease | probably, but then you will need to supply correct IP,netmask,gateway information, etc.. or have that automatically configured by dhcp |
| 12:53.23 | wols | stdisease: does your AP use WPA or WEP? |
| 12:53.29 | zjkhere | i use dhcp |
| 12:53.34 | zjkhere | and wep |
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| 12:53.57 | stdisease | wols, me I don't have wireless |
| 12:54.16 | stdisease | so there maybe steps I'm missing in zjkhere's case |
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| 12:54.27 | wols | the wep part could be the problem, if the wlan adapter is correctly recognized |
| 12:54.46 | wols | disable WEP. it's useless anyways |
| 12:55.28 | zjkhere | thank you. let me try it. may i ask why is wep useless? |
| 12:55.31 | wols | after you disabled it. use WPA |
| 12:55.40 | wols | cause WEP can be broken in about 10 seconds |
| 12:55.52 | wols | encryption that breakable is useless |
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| 12:56.41 | stdisease | wols, How much more secure is wpa? |
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| 13:04.02 | zjkhere | now i disabled wep key , network autoconfiguration failed again |
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| 13:07.06 | wols | then maybe your wlan isn't supported by debian out of the box |
| 13:07.20 | wols | e.g. it could need non-free firmware |
| 13:07.35 | wols | do you really need the wlan for installing? |
| 13:07.48 | zjkhere | does that mean even if i installed debian i still can't use wifi? |
| 13:08.10 | wols | no, that doesn't mean it |
| 13:08.22 | wols | you can install the drivers and such after debian itself is installed |
| 13:08.34 | pythetic | don't do non-free software |
| 13:08.58 | wols | pythetic: not always possible if he has an intel wlan chip for example |
| 13:09.09 | pythetic | get another card |
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| 13:09.50 | wols | you'd bee a fool to get another card when you have a intel based notebook |
| 13:10.00 | pythetic | get another notebook |
| 13:10.23 | zjkhere | the card works fine for gentoo, i thought it's ok , and it can be recogised |
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| 13:14.35 | mrbob009 | wols: thats just fck1n awsome |
| 13:14.47 | mrbob009 | ssh owns |
| 13:14.52 | scibotic | Okay, I've got an odd problem. I can't see the framebuffer/console when my machine boots, GRUB and X both work fine, but even switching using CTRL+ALT+F1 simply freezes the screen until I go back to X. |
| 13:15.15 | wols | scibotic: sid? |
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| 13:15.25 | scibotic | Yep. |
| 13:16.34 | zorrolero | scibotic: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567563#15 |
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| 13:17.26 | scibotic | Interestihg. |
| 13:17.56 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'm using bonding on lenny in active-backup mode. I don't know why, but on a defined server the mode option is ignored and it's working in round robin mode. Very annoying, I got 2 switches but not layer 3 capable switches, therefore, they see MAC Flaps bethween their direct port and the trunk. So first, can I change a bonding mode while the module is running ? |
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| 13:18.32 | scibotic | Thank you, I'll give it a try. |
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| 13:23.25 | scibotic | Nope that wasn't it. |
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| 13:24.39 | scibotic | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479534 |
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| 13:24.46 | scibotic | This looks like it may be the cause. |
| 13:25.23 | frenchi | scibotic: it happened to me when I enabled the kms of my radeon but missed the fbcon option |
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| 13:34.23 | fireba11 | hi, i want to set up a new server with software raid1 and LVM. now i know how to set up both, the question is how. any best practices or tips? should i make a raid for the whole disk and just put everything in the LVM and partition from there? |
| 13:34.26 | scibotic | Grub 2's new graphical interface is what caused it. |
| 13:34.37 | scibotic | Just went into /etc/default/grub and disabled it. |
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| 13:34.52 | rvsjoen | fireba11: what are your reasons for wanting raid1 and lvm in the first place |
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| 13:36.59 | fireba11 | rvsjoen: radi1 to not have all data lost and server down on a hardware failure |
| 13:37.18 | smacnay | rvsjoen, I am interested in why lvm became the default (I think it was) install option for a new Deb install. I use it but always feel that, if something goes wrong, it is going to be slightly harder getting things fixed. |
| 13:37.23 | fireba11 | lvm to be able to add more space later and being able to resize and snapshot partitions |
| 13:37.32 | smacnay | I do like being able to resize partitions. |
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| 13:38.09 | scibotic | HOLY SHIT, Wacom is now hotpluggable in X. D: |
| 13:38.29 | scibotic | That means I no longer have to restart X... EVER. |
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| 13:40.24 | rvsjoen | smacnay: I have the same impression, I guess it would be harder to recover in many cases, especially if you group several physical volumes in a logical one and one of them dies, youre essentially screwed |
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| 13:41.10 | tellurian | Hi. for reasons beyond my control I am required to compile a package from source for use on a Debian lenny server. Is there a recommended location for src files etc. in Debian ? Perhaps someone sould point me in the direction of a definitive document on the subject of compilinig from source on Debian |
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| 13:42.20 | rvsjoen | tellurian: compile from a deb-src package or from vanilla source ? |
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| 13:42.41 | tellurian | rvsjoen: good question. checking ... |
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| 13:43.31 | tellurian | rvsjoen: vanilla source it seems. the package is amanda community edition |
| 13:44.44 | rvsjoen | well, personally i'd just put it in /usr/src, and extract/compile/install it from there, alternatively it shouldn't be too hard to package it in a .deb file if you want that, but it is a bit more work |
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| 13:45.45 | tellurian | rvsjoen: sounds good. If I wanted to package a .deb src file I assume I would begin at the debian new maintainers pages for instructions on how to do that ? |
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| 13:46.53 | rvsjoen | there was a guide at debian-administration.org , don't know if it is outdated |
| 13:47.04 | rvsjoen | one sec |
| 13:47.07 | tellurian | rvsjoen: thanks :-) |
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| 13:47.38 | rvsjoen | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 <- short version, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html <- long version |
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| 13:52.15 | tellurian | rvsjoen: turns out the amanda community make .deb files available too. Is /usr/src still the correct location ? |
| 13:52.41 | rvsjoen | tellurian: if it's a .deb file, put it anywhere you want an install it with dpkg |
| 13:52.59 | tellurian | rvsjoen: perfect. Thanks for your time :-) |
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| 13:55.55 | smacnay | tellurian, it is also really easy to remove if you want, when it is a .deb |
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| 14:12.02 | tellurian | smacnay: I see so. It seems that wherever possible .deb files are preferred. I guess letting debian be good at being debian is the sane choice ;-) |
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| 14:16.50 | mns | Anyone know how to force the mailq (using exim4) to send out all the email ? And/or delete some of the email in the queue ? |
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| 14:17.42 | tellurian | according to http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html aptitude is the preferred tool of choice for package installation. obviously I cannot use it for installing a .deb file directly. are there specific gotchas I should be aware of when calling dpkg directly instead of invoking aptitude for package installation ? |
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| 14:18.23 | Plouj- | hi |
| 14:18.28 | jvogel | hi2u |
| 14:18.33 | mns | tellurian, not that I am aware of. dpkg probably will not pull down the dependencies for you like aptitude will. |
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| 14:19.12 | tellurian | mns: for your query I use this: http://bradthemad.org/tech/notes/exim_cheatsheet.php |
| 14:19.15 | Plouj- | where can I get documentation about apt-get locking? |
| 14:19.17 | stdisease | it just complains and fails about unsatisfied deps, unless you supply --force-all/<something> |
| 14:20.02 | mns | tellurian, thanks. |
| 14:20.03 | stdisease | otherwise it's the same |
| 14:20.29 | tellurian | mns: right back at ya :-) |
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| 14:21.00 | mns | :) |
| 14:21.42 | dummies_freelanc | hello god day, i want build one distro debian lenny but custom for journalist, and in spanish with simple-cdd |
| 14:21.49 | dummies_freelanc | ? |
| 14:21.51 | odla | How would I add i915.powersave=0 to the kernel command line? |
| 14:22.02 | odla | i am here ... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564946 |
| 14:22.20 | jelly | odla: you boot loader configuration |
| 14:22.31 | odla | jelly: ok so w/ grub |
| 14:22.32 | odla | thanks |
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| 14:22.46 | jelly | odla: your*; eg. if it's grub2, /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub |
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| 14:23.26 | odla | thanks |
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| 14:24.11 | fireba11 | any idea why my debian netinstall did set up lilo? i thought it's all grub for a long time now |
| 14:24.30 | karme | fireba11: lenny? |
| 14:24.42 | fireba11 | yes |
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| 14:24.59 | karme | fireba11: i think lenny installer might choose lilo if you use lvm on md raid |
| 14:25.06 | fireba11 | ah |
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| 14:25.14 | fireba11 | damn .. i don't want lilo ^^ |
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| 14:25.19 | karme | fireba11: and want to boot from this |
| 14:25.27 | karme | fireba11: old grub couldn't do that |
| 14:25.34 | sep | i think it chooses lilo if you have lvm on md raid on /boot |
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| 14:26.22 | jvm | hi. my vserver doesn't support quotas. yet, i would like to restrict the amount of data my users can upload. i am using scponly, so i figured: theoretically, scponly could implement a quota like feature. can anyone here point out if anyone has already implemented "quota" on user level? |
| 14:26.22 | sep | if you make a separate /boot as not lvm |
| 14:26.44 | fireba11 | have that yes. how would you set it up? i got a raid1 and lvm ontop and everything inside LVM. should i put boot simply outside the LVM? |
| 14:27.13 | jelly | jvm: that sounds exceedingly hacky |
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| 14:28.16 | jvm | jelly, i am not happy with those vserver guys, but now i already have the contract. they told me directly "we don't support quota". yet, i'd like to have the feature ;) |
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| 14:29.12 | richardr | Are there Australian mirrors for Debian SID/unstable ? |
| 14:29.23 | richardr | sources |
| 14:29.45 | wols | !tell richardr about mirrors |
| 14:29.45 | tellurian | fireba11: I usually set up /boot on a non-lvm partition using ext2 fs type. I then let swap and /root and everything else I need sit inside an lvm volume |
| 14:30.20 | sep | same |
| 14:30.23 | karme | fireba11: you can also use grub2 in lenny |
| 14:30.25 | fireba11 | tellurian: i figured that would be the way to go (tm) now :-D |
| 14:30.28 | richardr | wols: thanks |
| 14:30.31 | fireba11 | karme: i can? how? |
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| 14:30.40 | karme | fireba11: just install it |
| 14:30.56 | karme | fireba11: make sure you have no lvm snapshots around |
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| 14:31.34 | karme | fireba11: or better: if grub2 somehow fails to find the device for /boot - it might be because you have lvm snapshots around |
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| 14:32.50 | karme | fireba11: or just use lilo - after all lilo isn't that bad - and if it works |
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| 14:33.08 | richardr | Is there a difference between SID and unstable sources? |
| 14:33.31 | pythetic | sid is unstable |
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| 14:33.57 | karme | fireba11: i use grub2 |
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| 14:36.23 | Plouj- | is there a debian developer channel? |
| 14:37.29 | gusnan | Plouj-, check #debian-devel on the network OFTC |
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| 14:45.28 | Azio | hey all :) |
| 14:45.31 | Azio | long time no see hehe |
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| 14:46.16 | Azio | i know this isn't your usual question, but I'm having some real issues with my apache2 in lenny... standard version of apache 2.2.3 with lenny |
| 14:46.31 | Azio | I just added my virtualhosts and they are correct, but it keeps on asking for htdocs, and only serves the 'default' virtualhost |
| 14:47.01 | Azio | (i.e. the first listed), does any kind soul offer a little guidance? pretty please :) |
| 14:47.39 | fireba11 | Azio: that's a bit too unspecific of a question ... |
| 14:47.49 | Azio | I know its to do with documentroot ;) its taking the standard '/htdocs' and trying to apply it to my virtualhosts, what the thing is, I dont understand why, I specify documentroot in my httpd.conf |
| 14:47.54 | Azio | (for each vhost) |
| 14:47.59 | Azio | sorry fireba11, i was just getting to it |
| 14:48.45 | Azio | so the specific bug/error is 'File does not exist: /htdocs' |
| 14:49.23 | Azio | also /usr/sbin/apache2 -S gives SYNTAX OK |
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| 14:50.15 | Azio | and my vhosts, one being a 'default' because its first listed in the NameVirtualHosts as a <VirtualHost> |
| 14:50.26 | fireba11 | could you pastebin your config somewhere? |
| 14:50.34 | Azio | yes, i could :) one sec chap |
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| 14:51.20 | Azio | http://pastebin.com/da967ca4 |
| 14:51.37 | Azio | those are the _only_ running virtualhosts fireba11 :) |
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| 14:51.57 | Azio | and apache2 constantly moans about /htdocs being missing, yet I do not define that as the documentroot, i know the problem is the default document root |
| 14:52.08 | Azio | im just not sure how to solve it :< |
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| 14:52.45 | Azio | (note: that is the only thing i added) |
| 14:52.47 | Nalle_ | Anyone here wanting me to help with a curious problem relating to, I think, IRQ allocation for PCI cards? |
| 14:52.51 | Azio | I removed all the sites-enabled also |
| 14:53.10 | Azio | Nalle_ ive had that issue with many scsi cards before now |
| 14:53.21 | Azio | trial and error, mostly for me it was |
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| 14:53.55 | Nalle_ | Azio, I see. In my case, I think it has something to do with the kernel and the way it handles them because the kernel version affects the outcome of the situation. |
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| 14:54.02 | Azio | ahh |
| 14:54.10 | Azio | yes definitely |
| 14:54.14 | Azio | did you try compiling your own? |
| 14:54.22 | Azio | sometimes it is faster to just 'add lots of support' |
| 14:54.29 | Azio | and slowly remove the stuff as you go along your boxen |
| 14:54.32 | Azio | thats what i used to do hehe |
| 14:54.42 | Azio | if its production critical it's probably bad advice :) |
| 14:54.44 | fireba11 | Azio: and what does apache2.conf say? |
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| 14:54.52 | Azio | fireba11 its a standard apache2.conf |
| 14:55.05 | Nalle_ | Azio, how it stands; I have a VIA chipset USB card that works fine with 2.6.18 kernel, but with 2.6.26 it simply fails to initialize at all at boot time. How ever, if I add a 100M NIC to the machine, then the USB card fails, even under 2.6.18. |
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| 14:55.37 | Azio | hmm did 2.6.18 definitely have usb support |
| 14:55.45 | Azio | i'd recompile the 2.6.18 if i were you try and get it working |
| 14:56.16 | Azio | are you compiling your kernels yourself Nalle_? |
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| 14:56.25 | Azio | if it is a kernel issue, then it would make sense to try |
| 14:56.35 | Azio | fireba11: I can tell you exactly what the problem is chap |
| 14:56.39 | Azio | i just have no idea how to solve it |
| 14:56.48 | Nalle_ | Azio, yeah, it works ok under 2.6.18 BUT I think the has something to do with this VIA irq fixup that it does run under 2.6.18 but doesn't under 2.6.26 hence it fails with error code -19 for every port on the card. |
| 14:57.33 | Nalle_ | Azio, yes.. I suppose I could try to re-compile 2.6.26 and make sure the modules I need are there. So far this is standard Debian/PPC Lenny installation with what ever comes from apt-get update |
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| 14:57.42 | Azio | i would, yes |
| 14:57.49 | Azio | probably sounds like your easiest option right now |
| 14:57.56 | Azio | and you can ask other people for guidance in the meantime hehe |
| 14:58.07 | Azio | sorry i cant help you much more than that, |
| 14:58.18 | fireba11 | Azio: i'm pretty sure the problem is with some other config since that file is simple enough and seems correct |
| 14:58.36 | Azio | i agre |
| 14:58.42 | Azio | the problem is apache wants /htdocs |
| 14:58.47 | Nalle_ | Azio, no worries as it does work as long as I use the 2.6.18 kernel if not counting for the unability to add a 100M NIC so it is not critical. |
| 14:58.50 | Azio | its happy with the first virtualhost (default) |
| 14:58.57 | Azio | it serves it |
| 14:59.07 | Azio | the real problem isthe other ones, it doesnt serve, and complains that /htdocs isnt there |
| 14:59.25 | Azio | odd isnt it? it's unhappy with multi-user/host documentroot's |
| 14:59.59 | fireba11 | Azio: there is no mentioning of /htdocs at all in the file you pastebinned. and the virtualhosts are defined correctly. the few options that there are |
| 15:00.10 | Azio | fireba11, there is no mentioning of htdocs in any config file |
| 15:00.18 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.21 | Azio | 'default' |
| 15:00.23 | Azio | for DocumentRoot |
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| 15:00.58 | fireba11 | Azio: well then do your defined document roots exist and apache is allowed to read them? |
| 15:01.06 | Azio | what is perplexing the hell out of me, is why default works, but the rest insist on /htdocs when DocumentRoot is defined in each virtualhost |
| 15:01.16 | Azio | yes they all exist |
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| 15:01.41 | Azio | and im just checking chown's |
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| 15:07.56 | wathek | hello all |
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| 15:08.12 | wathek | I need some help I've just installed Debian Lenny (netinstall) and everything was OK but when I boot |
| 15:08.17 | wathek | I'm getting the busyBox |
| 15:08.33 | wathek | and it says /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control tuned off |
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| 15:09.35 | wols | when you get busybox, there was a big error before busybox started |
| 15:09.47 | wols | something like could not access root fs or whatever |
| 15:10.28 | wathek | wols, yep it says FATAL error inserting fan and inserting processor and inserting thermal |
| 15:10.48 | wathek | wols, it says target filesysytem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 15:10.58 | wathek | and No init found try passing init=bootarg |
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| 15:11.36 | wols | so what partitions/disks do you have in your busybox? |
| 15:11.46 | wathek | wols, I got a raid system |
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| 15:12.15 | wathek | wols, 2 Hard disks one with /, swap, /www and the other one with /backup |
| 15:12.57 | wols | do you have all those you mentioned in your busybox? |
| 15:13.08 | wathek | wols, from initramfs cat /proc/partitions says that I've sda : sda1 sda2 sda3 and sdb : sdb1 |
| 15:13.10 | wathek | wols, yep |
| 15:13.29 | wols | if you do, something is utterly wrong, since the kernel can't find /sbin/init |
| 15:13.46 | wols | but there you say you have not only / but /www and such too. magic |
| 15:13.53 | wathek | wols, it's fresh install of debian |
| 15:14.09 | wols | no it's not. no debian installer creates /www or /backup |
| 15:14.11 | wathek | wols, yep it's a partition that I created |
| 15:14.27 | wathek | wols, /www and /backup are partitions that I created |
| 15:14.58 | wols | what most likely happens is that you bunged up your raid system. debian can't boot the raid properly drops you to busybox |
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| 15:15.17 | wathek | wols, and what if I disable raid ? |
| 15:16.07 | wols | then a debian install will be easier to do |
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| 15:23.01 | HTT-Bird | ok, I'm using the acroread from debian-multimedia, and I can't open audio comments |
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| 15:24.18 | iceroot | audio-comments in a pdf? |
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| 15:25.13 | edwin_quijada | I activate snmp but solarwind cant monitor anything |
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| 15:32.59 | bridgeguy | Hi, I'm trying to set up a dhcp server that listens on one of my network interfaces (eth0). I have three interfaces in total (eth0 eth1 eth2). I have installed and set up dhcp3-server but upon starting the service, I receive an error: "No subnet declaration for eth0 (0.0.0.0)" |
| 15:33.18 | bridgeguy | I understand this error is fairly common, but I couldn't find a thread that solves my issue yet |
| 15:34.10 | nkuttler | bridgeguy: well, define a subnet. see the config file for examples |
| 15:34.19 | bridgeguy | I have set up /etc/default/dhcp3-server to use eth0 |
| 15:34.27 | bridgeguy | and I've set up subnets in the dhcp config files |
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| 15:35.10 | nkuttler | bridgeguy: pastebin /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
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| 15:35.24 | bridgeguy | http://pastebin.com/d72994924 |
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| 15:35.44 | bridgeguy | This is my dhcpd.conf |
| 15:36.37 | bridgeguy | My dhcp3-server simply contains: |
| 15:36.37 | bridgeguy | INTERFACES="eth0" |
| 15:36.54 | lazy^ | u need to give ip the pool for ip's |
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| 15:37.19 | bridgeguy | Doesn't the range definition do that? |
| 15:37.38 | lazy^ | # A slightly different configuration for an internal subnet. |
| 15:37.39 | lazy^ | #subnet 10.5.5.0 netmask 255.255.255.224 { |
| 15:37.39 | lazy^ | # range 10.5.5.26 10.5.5.30; |
| 15:37.44 | bridgeguy | I tried to minimize my config file to a basic sample file to avoid errors |
| 15:37.48 | lazy^ | there are good examples in the conf |
| 15:38.08 | lazy^ | ofc u need to give subnet / mask for it |
| 15:38.14 | lazy^ | range isn't enough |
| 15:38.33 | bridgeguy | Yes but my config file has subnet/mask + range defined |
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| 15:38.41 | bridgeguy | doesn't it? |
| 15:38.43 | lazy^ | and you should give dns-servers also... if u want that your clients can access to the internet |
| 15:39.19 | lazy^ | it seems that it doesn't have those... if u look the error msg... |
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| 15:39.40 | cali | hey there, I got an application that requires sound card, but what I need to use does not require a sound card, how could I fake one or something like that ? |
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| 15:40.24 | bridgeguy | Well, from what I gather from people who have the same problem, dhcpd mostly has issues mapping the subnets defined in the configuration to the interfaces |
| 15:40.47 | petemc | no issues here |
| 15:41.05 | bridgeguy | For most people it appears to work if they add the DHCPARGS=eth0; line to pass to dhcpd which interface to listen on |
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| 15:41.07 | petemc | most issues are probably people not configuring dhcpd correctly |
| 15:41.14 | stdisease | Are there are any vanilla firefox .deb's anywhere, I haven't found any but maybe someone runs a repo |
| 15:41.19 | bridgeguy | However this didn't solve it for me |
| 15:41.20 | stdisease | ^ ? |
| 15:41.21 | ravenbird | stdisease: wish I knew |
| 15:41.28 | petemc | bridgeguy: thats what /etc/default/ is for in debian |
| 15:41.52 | HTT-Bird | petemc, yeah....like mine :P seems like one of the DHCP servers on campus hates my lappy |
| 15:41.53 | stdisease | iceweasel keeps crashing when closing tabs |
| 15:42.04 | stdisease | and incompatibilities |
| 15:42.14 | petemc | HTT-Bird: there are issues with some dhcp clients not working with some dhcpds |
| 15:42.24 | HTT-Bird | yeah.... |
| 15:42.24 | lazy^ | bridgeguy: i haven't had any issues with dhcpd |
| 15:42.33 | HTT-Bird | I run ISC dhclient over here |
| 15:42.39 | HTT-Bird | dunno what my school runs for a dhcpd tho |
| 15:42.53 | HTT-Bird | I wonder why these issues exist in the first place though? Blame M$? |
| 15:43.14 | tellurian | bridgeguy: a shot in the dark ... is it possible this is a syntactic issue ? I notice the opening brace on line 8 of your pastebin is not on the line above .. maybe nothing ... |
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| 15:43.49 | Shen | hey guys... im trying to install debian from the usb, but since i put the cd rom image on usb, it keeps asking me to configure my cd-rom (i dont have one) and the install does not go further without that... can anybody help me? |
| 15:45.26 | bridgeguy | Here's my precise syslog entry by the way |
| 15:45.27 | bridgeguy | http://pastebin.com/m3c57efd5 |
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| 15:45.49 | lazy^ | bridgeguy: DHCPDARGS=eth0; <- try to uncomment that |
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| 15:46.10 | lazy^ | then dpkg-reconfigure your dhcpd3-server so it listens eth0 |
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| 15:48.37 | lazy^ | ahh uncomment or what ever ... # |
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| 15:51.18 | Shen | hey, how can i know wich one is my usb device in a shell? |
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| 15:52.17 | Shen | =/ |
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| 15:53.33 | tellurian | bridgeguy: fwiw my subnet declaration is at http://pastebin.com/d95e29a2 from a known working dhcpd.conf |
| 15:53.33 | klync | Shen: not sure what you mean by "which one is yours", but check if you have the command `lsusb` installed |
| 15:54.09 | Shen | its the shell in the debian install |
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| 15:54.32 | Shen | it keeps asking me for the cdrom drive, but the iso is mounted in a usb stick |
| 15:55.09 | Shen | ill try the lsusb, thx |
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| 15:55.16 | riot | hiya. |
| 15:55.39 | riot | any python-apt-coders in here? How do i search in the cache with that beast? |
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| 15:56.54 | HTT-Bird | grrrrrrr...how the heck do you get audio comments to work in acroread? |
| 15:57.54 | Anthro | I'm using openntpd and watching its traffic with wireshark. It seems to be sending out the Leap Indicator flags set to 3, which means (according to the RFC) "alarm condition (clock not synchronized)". Does anyone know how to avoid that? This is running in a disconnected network, so the normal internet time servers are not available. |
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| 15:58.39 | fireba11 | Anthro: why are you using ntpd when you got no timeserver available? |
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| 15:59.23 | karme | HTT-Bird: you have sound working at all? |
| 15:59.25 | Anthro | fireba11: I have devices on my disconnected network that need to believe they are on the internet |
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| 15:59.54 | karme | HTT-Bird: how does it fail? just no sound or is it blocking while trying to play sound? |
| 16:00.09 | karme | HTT-Bird: maybe strace it? |
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| 16:00.17 | HTT-Bird | karme, sound in general works on this box. |
| 16:00.25 | HTT-Bird | or it did last time I checked :) |
| 16:00.27 | oklinux | I'm installing debian net install iso in virtualbox is at the stage select and install software at %5 is moving slow is that normal ? |
| 16:00.46 | HTT-Bird | and what's happening is that it won't even try to play back the audio comments |
| 16:00.51 | fireba11 | Anthro: then set up a local ntpdserver somewhere and point it there? |
| 16:00.59 | karme | HTT-Bird: is it supposed to work? |
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| 16:01.16 | oklinux | is retrieving file 1 of 4 at %5 and have not made any progress. |
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| 16:01.23 | Anthro | fireba11: Grand. That's what I'm trying to do. Is openntpd the wrong choice? Is there a more appropriate package? |
| 16:01.35 | HTT-Bird | karme, yeah, or at least according to my English prof... |
| 16:01.47 | HTT-Bird | who sprinkled the assignment she just handed back with 'em |
| 16:02.00 | DogBoy | HTT-Bird, you been trying to get this to work for a while eh |
| 16:02.12 | HTT-Bird | DogBoy, no, although I can see where you got there :) |
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| 16:02.25 | HTT-Bird | it's getting me that frustrated already >.> <.< |
| 16:02.34 | karme | HTT-Bird: wild guess: try it with aoss acroread |
| 16:02.41 | fireba11 | Anthro: that package seems fine for the task |
| 16:02.43 | DogBoy | I can't decode what you are saying HTT-Bird |
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| 16:03.27 | fireba11 | Anthro: if you want to be pro about it i'd suggest you get a DC77 hardware clock attached to it so it actually got the right time too :-) |
| 16:03.35 | oklinux | I'm installing debian net install iso in virtualbox is at the stage select and install software at %5 is moving slow is that normal ? |
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| 16:03.43 | HTT-Bird | DogBoy, heh. well, AcroRead gives me the little red speaker icons |
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| 16:03.53 | fireba11 | oklinux: define slow |
| 16:03.56 | HTT-Bird | but clicking/double-clicking/right-clicking on them does zilch |
| 16:04.18 | Anthro | fireba11: Okay, so back to the original problem. How do I get it not to set the alarm condition in the leap indicator? Accuracy is not crucial for this application, just rough synchronization. |
| 16:04.22 | DogBoy | so use acrobat in wine |
| 16:04.28 | oklinux | fireba11: is not installing just sat at %5 bar |
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| 16:04.51 | HTT-Bird | hmmm, I could try the Windows version of Foxit... |
| 16:04.58 | HTT-Bird | I have a friend who's had good luck with that |
| 16:05.05 | fireba11 | oklinux: that is definitely not normal :-) did you install any software packages from the list? |
| 16:05.29 | karme | HTT-Bird: did you try aoss acroread? |
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| 16:05.49 | HTT-Bird | karme, no, what is that? is that a setting/command line flag? |
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| 16:05.51 | fireba11 | Anthro: just so i get this right .. your ntpdserver you want to sync with sets some alarm flag about not having the right time? |
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| 16:05.58 | chut | hi people |
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| 16:06.02 | oklinux | fireba11: it doesn't let me select any thing. |
| 16:06.09 | chut | how do i proper loading sound device in debian 5? |
| 16:06.13 | karme | HTT-Bird: see alsa-oss package |
| 16:06.13 | Anthro | fireba11: Something like that. |
| 16:06.16 | abhi_nav | hi |
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| 16:06.22 | chut | i want to load some device first and second |
| 16:06.22 | karme | HTT-Bird: aoss is a wrapper command |
| 16:06.24 | chut | how do i do that |
| 16:06.38 | karme | HTT-Bird: it tries to map oss audio calls to alsa calls |
| 16:06.39 | fireba11 | Anthro: shouldn't you be able to tell it it's authorative and doesn't have to check elsewhere? |
| 16:06.44 | Shen | Im back... the lsusb did not work |
| 16:07.00 | Anthro | fireba11: I would think so. Can't figure out how. That's why I came here to ask :-) |
| 16:07.07 | karme | HTT-Bird: my other suggestion is to use strace to find out what acroread tries to do |
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| 16:07.19 | fireba11 | never had that kind of setup with no external ntp to check though |
| 16:07.20 | HTT-Bird | hmmm, let me plop the file in question down on my desktop :p |
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| 16:07.34 | GeeSe000 | hi |
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| 16:08.06 | Anthro | fireba11: Google finds suggestions for using some "fudge" directive, but openntpd complains about a syntax error if I try it. |
| 16:08.15 | karme | HTT-Bird: "aptitude insall alsa-oss" then run "aoss acroread yourfile.pdf" |
| 16:08.23 | karme | ~s/insall/install |
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| 16:13.14 | oklinux | fireba11: it making progress net install slower then a snail racing with a turtle. |
| 16:13.15 | HTT-Bird | karme, no dice |
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| 16:13.26 | HTT-Bird | I hear a faint popping sound from the speakers, but nothing else |
| 16:13.45 | fireba11 | oklinux: some network problem? if downloads are really slow from inside the VM that might cause that |
| 16:13.51 | HTT-Bird | and aoss cranks out an error about not being able to LD_PRELOAD its library |
| 16:13.56 | karlpinc | !alsa checksheet |
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| 16:14.13 | karlpinc | !alsa checklist |
| 16:14.13 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 16:15.28 | HTT-Bird | karlpinc, acroread is the only broken app |
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| 16:15.37 | HTT-Bird | is listening to a track from Nexuiz in VLC right now |
| 16:15.39 | Orbixx | How can I reset ownership/permissions of installed packages? |
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| 16:16.29 | jeward | Where does one go to view the reasons for the latest lenny lernel patch? |
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| 16:17.07 | oklinux | thanks fireba11 . |
| 16:17.57 | jeward | I've deleted the e-mail and need to see if the update is important enough to reboot critical servers. |
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| 16:18.43 | HTT-Bird | pokes karme |
| 16:19.04 | petemc | jeward: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 16:19.12 | jeward | Thanks! |
| 16:19.19 | petemc | np! |
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| 16:19.34 | abrotman | jeward: they're also normally on http://security.debian.org/ |
| 16:20.02 | karme | HTT-Bird: don't know |
| 16:20.13 | abrotman | likes how that page goes from 1995 to 1997 |
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| 16:27.24 | jelly | Debian was completely secure in 1996. |
| 16:27.49 | petemc | heh |
| 16:29.26 | krion | a directory who become a socket, have you ever seen that ? |
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| 16:30.43 | HTT-Bird | krion, no, filesystem bogon? disk corruption? |
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| 16:32.18 | darsie | Hi! I dist-upgraded a computer and now grub is broken. I'm here with knoppix. Any hints how to fix it? I answered to install grub on both hard disks during the upgrade. |
| 16:32.25 | darsie | How could I boot into debian with a broken grub? |
| 16:32.29 | darsie | I couldn't see a way with knoppix. |
| 16:32.47 | HTT-Bird | darsie, you should be able to fix grub from the livecd |
| 16:32.49 | krion | HTT-Bird: no, i don't think so |
| 16:33.09 | krion | HTT-Bird: i've the inode, is there a way to reconstruct directory from it ? |
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| 16:33.59 | darsie | HTT-Bird: Yes, if I knew how. But I'm so confused by grub. There appearently is also the new grub. |
| 16:34.14 | Penix | darsie: boot your broken installation with a live CD that uses GRUB and reinstall from there |
| 16:34.19 | sepult` | why does noatun not play any sound when i don't enable the extrastereo plugin ? |
| 16:34.29 | Penix | darsie: or you can create your own bootable USB GRUB stick |
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| 16:34.40 | HTT-Bird | krion, probably not :( you might be able to use tools such as ext3grep to find out if the data of the directory is still alive |
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| 16:35.24 | darsie | Penix: do you mean a *debian* live CD? Currently I'm running knoppix. |
| 16:35.33 | Penix | darsie: doesn't have to be |
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| 16:35.49 | wols | darsie: did you upgrade to squeeze? |
| 16:36.04 | wols | and what do you get if you boot from hdd, what does grub say, what do you see? |
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| 16:36.29 | darsie | wols: I use testing, I always forget the current code name. |
| 16:36.47 | wols | yes, squeeze. which means grub2 now |
| 16:36.51 | wols | so answer me |
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| 16:37.08 | darsie | wols: I see a reverse text: "Booting grub" or so, but then I get no menu, but the computer resets. |
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| 16:37.45 | wols | oúch. the reset part is bad :( |
| 16:38.07 | wols | dunno how to help there, #grub might however. |
| 16:38.22 | wols | as a workaround you could reinstall the old grub perhaps if you wish so |
| 16:38.31 | darsie | Hmm, maybe removing the 'chainload into grub2' might help ... |
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| 16:39.10 | darsie | wols: reinstalling old grub seems difficult from knoppix... |
| 16:39.15 | wols | so you still use the old grub on the MBR? |
| 16:39.39 | darsie | I answered to install grub on both hard disks during the upgrade. |
| 16:39.49 | darsie | Dunno if that changed the MBR. |
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| 16:40.44 | darsie | I'll just try to disable grub2 in menu.lst. If it doesn't help, I'll be back ... |
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| 16:51.05 | babilen_ | !ops GirL`23` turk porn spam (the usual) |
| 16:51.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen_ complains about: GirL`23` turk porn spam (the usual) |
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| 16:51.32 | babilen_ | ... "Love" too |
| 16:51.55 | krion | that's really weird |
| 16:52.01 | HTT-Bird | babilen, I take it's PM spam? |
| 16:52.07 | babilen | yes |
| 16:52.15 | babilen | on join - the usual |
| 16:52.36 | HTT-Bird | :( |
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| 16:52.41 | HTT-Bird | try poking #freenode? |
| 16:53.18 | babilen | ops in here typically know how to handle this and are in #freenode |
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| 16:55.07 | RichiH | babilen: thanks |
| 16:55.11 | babilen | np |
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| 16:55.35 | HTT-Bird | there :) |
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| 16:55.52 | babilen | RichiH: User "Love" too |
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| 16:56.06 | Farhadix | hi guys, I have a ssh tunneling on port 1111, I shared my internet via firestarter. now I wanna let the incoming clients use that port for connecting to internet instead of connecting directly. how can i do that? |
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| 16:56.17 | abrotman | oh, RichiH got him |
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| 16:56.54 | abrotman | jelly: i meant the DSA numbers |
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| 16:57.49 | Brenden_- | Hi, i can't get this one tar.bz2 file to untar |
| 16:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an smb network browser in Debian/KDE? |
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| 16:58.17 | HTT-Bird | Brenden_-, what does tar say when you try? |
| 16:58.25 | Brenden_- | let me pastebin it |
| 16:58.47 | RichiH | babilen: i did not get anything from 'love' |
| 16:58.49 | Brenden_- | http://pastebin.com/m9b10537 |
| 16:59.26 | babilen | RichiH: let's take this out of the channel |
| 16:59.34 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: smb4k or something like that ? |
| 16:59.54 | HTT-Bird | Brenden_-, duh ;) 'sudo apt-get install bzip2' |
| 16:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, not installed. Is it a network browser? |
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| 17:01.50 | jhutchins_lt | tksmb appears to be a browser as well. |
| 17:02.02 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: apt-cache search kde smb .. not that hard ... |
| 17:02.35 | jhutchins_lt | There have been some that did not have smb in the package name. |
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| 17:03.14 | jelly | abrotman: reserved for future bugs |
| 17:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, can not join as standalone machine... |
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| 17:05.00 | abrotman | jelly: no, it was used, it's just not up there and didn't come down in the RSS feed |
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| 17:08.08 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! Of course I can't browse from the machine that DOESN'T have the VPN on it without at least adding a route! |
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| 17:10.23 | JyZyXEL | so is it a bad thing if an unknown guy sends a message to your terminal from localhost greeting you |
| 17:10.41 | JyZyXEL | and you see that he has his own /home/user that contains a valid working local root exploit |
| 17:10.52 | HTT-Bird | lol, that's VERY bad. |
| 17:11.04 | path | anyone willing to help on apache2-topic? |
| 17:11.06 | wols | happy reinstall time |
| 17:11.10 | JyZyXEL | but he seemed like a nice guy in the messages he sent |
| 17:11.13 | path | Im a little confused, the access log now looks like this |
| 17:11.15 | JyZyXEL | even used smileys |
| 17:11.33 | path | - - - [16/Feb/2010:14:03:17 -0300] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 183 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.0.249.43 Safari/532.5". As you can see no ip is logged. |
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| 17:19.08 | bonehead | where is the root cron log located? |
| 17:19.42 | alabd | hello , when testing comes to stable ? does it have exact time ? |
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| 17:21.47 | karme | alabd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
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| 17:21.54 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 17:21.54 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
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| 17:22.11 | HTT-Bird | dpkg: squeeze bet |
| 17:22.12 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 17:22.15 | HTT-Bird | :) |
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| 17:23.11 | alabd | HTT-Bird: was it answer ? |
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| 17:24.30 | bonehead | how do i check the cron log |
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| 17:25.11 | tudon | it possible it is not logged at this time you can turn it on |
| 17:25.14 | ikonia | have you setup cron to log ? it normally logs to syslog |
| 17:25.21 | tudon | /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 17:25.30 | karme | bonehead: typically output of cron is sent by mail |
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| 17:25.49 | bonehead | karme: oh i dont think ive set that up |
| 17:26.31 | tudon | uncoment line #cron then restart log daemon /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 17:26.46 | bonehead | tudon: what will that do? |
| 17:26.58 | tudon | you will find it after that in var log cron.log |
| 17:27.01 | tudon | i hope |
| 17:27.02 | tudon | :P |
| 17:27.08 | tellurian | if I do an 'ls -lah' on /tmp/amanda/ on a debian lenny server I see |
| 17:27.09 | tellurian | drw-r-S--- 2 amandabackup disk 4.0K 2010-02-16 12:18 . |
| 17:27.09 | tellurian | drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4.0K 2010-02-16 16:55 .. |
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| 17:27.20 | tellurian | could someone please explain what the 'S' means ? |
| 17:27.28 | abrotman | !tell tellurian about permissions |
| 17:27.30 | dmilith | hi. Anyon tried bnx2 module with 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 17:27.48 | tellurian | abrotman: thanks :-) |
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| 17:28.25 | dmilith | I have bnx2 firmware with already running kernel (2.6.26 from lenny) |
| 17:28.28 | bonehead | tudon: i dont have a /var/log/cron.log |
| 17:28.36 | linuxguy2009 | Hi guys I have a bunch of Debian tutorial videos and such that I want to do. I'm wondering what webcam has decent price, video quality, and compatibility with Debian or Linux in general. |
| 17:28.43 | dmilith | and I've put them into initrd image. |
| 17:28.52 | tudon | yes not now but you follow those steps and it will appear i think |
| 17:29.04 | linuxguy2009 | It will be for YouTube videos mostly. |
| 17:29.52 | bonehead | tudon: ok, sorry for my ignorance but what file do i uncomment #cron from? |
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| 17:30.15 | tudon | /etc/syslog.conf |
| 17:30.37 | tudon | hmm i dont see that now my self :( |
| 17:30.43 | greymalkin | How can I use apt-get from a chroot without starting the services I install (the chroot is a read-only NFS share for network booted cluster nodes) |
| 17:30.52 | karme | linuxguy2009: did you consider makeing screencasts? |
| 17:31.06 | bonehead | tudon: thanks |
| 17:31.29 | karme | ~s/makeing/making/ |
| 17:31.36 | tudon | let me check if thats still where to put that |
| 17:31.42 | jhutchins_lt | tudon: rsyslog |
| 17:31.43 | bonehead | tudon: i dont see syslog.conf either |
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| 17:32.50 | cali | hey I have done 'modprobe snd-dummy' then created a new user to use an app with but it seems that It only work for my other user :( ? |
| 17:33.24 | linuxguy2009 | karme: yeah I did 2 and gave up cause I didnt know of any editing software that worked, but I was in Ubuntu then and have since realized how bad it sucked. I havent tried any editing software in Debian though. |
| 17:33.47 | tudon | strange google does give me some hits on syslog.conf maybe you can make the file |
| 17:34.06 | bonehead | whats a good file search app? something that archives for quick results.. ? |
| 17:34.09 | linuxguy2009 | Some videos will be about my Boss 16track multi recorder so screencast wont work obviously. |
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| 17:36.45 | linuxguy2009 | Whats a good video editor for Debian are there any? |
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| 17:38.34 | bonehead | linuxguy2009: check out the vlc media editor |
| 17:38.40 | cahoot | cali: new user not member of group audio? |
| 17:39.07 | cali | cahoot, ok I've used jackd -d dummy it seems to be working now |
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| 17:41.18 | tudon | linuxguy2009, try kdenlive |
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| 17:41.33 | tudon | or openshot |
| 17:41.36 | linuxguy2009 | bonehead: vlc is just a player isnt it? |
| 17:41.50 | tudon | yes .. although they where working on something more... |
| 17:42.18 | linuxguy2009 | tudon: Ok Ill give that a try. Wonder if it will run ok within gnome. |
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| 17:42.32 | tudon | yes it will |
| 17:42.38 | sportplusbr | www . pt-br . justin . tv/sportplusbr => [17:30] UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE: MILAN X MANCHESTER UNITED (OITAVAS DE FINAIS) AO VIVO |
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| 17:46.22 | alabd | some question about debian releases , how long does it last to testing debian be stable ? does it have exact time ? |
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| 17:46.44 | linuxguy2009 | when its ready, its ready |
| 17:46.46 | alabd | and what are differences between stable and testing releases in 1 line |
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| 17:46.59 | alabd | linuxguy2009: so it does not have exact time yes ? |
| 17:47.07 | babilen | yes |
| 17:47.07 | linuxguy2009 | one is stable one is in testing |
| 17:47.22 | simonrvn | wir, ris, siyh |
| 17:47.22 | alabd | ready to what ? |
| 17:47.28 | linuxguy2009 | they release it when its ready |
| 17:47.31 | simonrvn | rsn* |
| 17:47.34 | themill | !releases |
| 17:47.35 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 17:47.48 | tudon | linuxguy2009, kdenlive is pretty impressive i would recomend that one first |
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| 17:48.29 | linuxguy2009 | tudon: Have you tried using kdenlive in gnome? Works ok? |
| 17:48.46 | SkyKnight | when /sbin/init starts what is the first thing it does? in lenny, how to find that? |
| 17:48.55 | tudon | yes i have |
| 17:49.02 | tudon | it is not really part of kde |
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| 17:49.22 | tudon | maybe some dependancies im not sure but doesnt matter |
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| 17:49.48 | alabd | ok ready to be stable , what works should be done on testing to be stable ? |
| 17:50.02 | tudon | if you insist on using gtk app there is openshot as an alternative |
| 17:50.03 | simonrvn | SkyKnight: start stuff in /etc/rcS |
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| 17:50.36 | babilen | !tell alabd -about Release-Critical |
| 17:51.03 | SkyKnight | simonrvn, how to find in what order those services starts? |
| 17:51.26 | tobago | i have question in terms of the grub.cfg when trying to install debian from an external hd by grub. my grub.cfg. do i have to extract the vmlinuz and initrd.gz before for making grub able to access it? |
| 17:51.53 | tobago | my grub.cfg: http://gist.github.com/305732 |
| 17:51.56 | simonrvn | SkyKnight: look at the numbers in front of the symlinks |
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| 17:52.39 | BaBaK | Hello to All |
| 17:52.39 | BaBaK | with which application(s) or service(s)i can to make a wireless hotspot with embedded billing system (not external radius server)? |
| 17:52.39 | BaBaK | thanks |
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| 17:54.09 | SkyKnight | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 17:54.58 | darsie | hi |
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| 17:55.35 | darsie | I managed to boot with a grub floppy, but grub is still broken. |
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| 17:55.46 | alabd | babilen: is that mean stable version of debian -lenny - has 1021 bugs ? |
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| 17:56.24 | alabd | should not all bugs be patched while converting testing version to stable ? |
| 17:56.42 | SkyKnight | darsie, what error are you getting? |
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| 17:57.22 | darsie | I get: "Grub loading. Welcome to grub!" Then the computer restarts/resets. |
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| 17:57.30 | darsie | SkyKnight: |
| 17:57.34 | babilen | alabd: Impossible |
| 17:57.48 | alabd | what does this mean ? |
| 17:57.48 | alabd | Time between Debian releases |
| 17:57.49 | alabd | 1.2 178 days |
| 17:58.08 | BaBaK | ********************* what is te debian maling list address? :):):) |
| 17:58.17 | richardr | I'm trying to upgrade my Debian install. It's saying that udev requires a later kernel, and my system will break if I upgrade. How do I update just the kernel? Thanks |
| 17:58.46 | Stereo | richardr: that sounds like a good way to spend a night at the office :) |
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| 17:58.52 | Stereo | what are you upgrading from? |
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| 17:59.01 | wols | richardr: apt-get a new kernel image |
| 17:59.02 | Stereo | you could pin just the packages you absolutely can't upgrade |
| 17:59.06 | wols | richardr: and boot from it |
| 17:59.12 | Stereo | wols: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 17:59.18 | darsie | richardr: apt-cache search linux-image and pick a more recent kernel. Then apt-get install <this kernel package name> |
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| 17:59.34 | Stereo | !aptitude |
| 17:59.34 | dpkg | [aptitude] a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 17:59.42 | Stereo | !why aptitude |
| 17:59.43 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 17:59.46 | babilen | Stereo: /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 17:59.52 | wols | dpkg: rip Stereo a new one |
| 17:59.52 | dpkg | wols: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:59.57 | Stereo | it wasn't for me :) |
| 18:00.03 | Stereo | haha |
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| 18:00.19 | Stereo | dpkg: be a smartass about aptitude |
| 18:00.20 | dpkg | no idea, Stereo |
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| 18:05.36 | JW | I did a source install of apache and I need a way to look inside and see exactly what compile-time options were used, for example, I need to see the ./configure --foo settings. But I can't find that anywhere inside the source tree. Where should i look? |
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| 18:06.32 | simonrvn | JW: check the config.log |
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| 18:07.22 | jhutchins_lt | JW: Send a local browser to /server-info |
| 18:07.51 | simonrvn | or that. forgot about that. |
| 18:08.04 | lsd | damn, i'm sure previous lenny installs used to ask about obtaining firmware off removable devices |
| 18:08.06 | lsd | 5.04 sure doesn't anymore |
| 18:08.08 | lsd | even in expert |
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| 18:08.22 | cbx | Hey all |
| 18:08.26 | JW | lsd: that's bad |
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| 18:08.30 | cbx | I want debian lenny for 32 bit systems |
| 18:08.37 | cbx | which one do I get? |
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| 18:09.04 | cbx | i386? |
| 18:09.29 | karme | cbx: yes |
| 18:09.40 | lsd | jw, really bad |
| 18:09.48 | lsd | i'm going to have to roll my own damn install image now |
| 18:10.02 | karme | cbx: if it is some x86 32bit system |
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| 18:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | lsd: Might have a look at the install guides first. |
| 18:10.08 | cbx | Wow 5 install dvd's |
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| 18:10.24 | Prock1 | where can i down a .img of the latest stable net install from, That way i can dd it to my usb stick |
| 18:10.27 | wols | cbx: you don't need them. |
| 18:10.42 | cbx | Just the first one will suffice? |
| 18:10.48 | wols | Prock1: cdimage.debian.org |
| 18:10.53 | Prock1 | thanks |
| 18:10.57 | wols | cbx: yes. you can get a netinstall iso too which is ~150MB |
| 18:11.14 | lsd | jhutchins_lt, they changed that much since previous 5.0x? |
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| 18:11.28 | cbx | wols, I won't have internet where I'm installing this initially |
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| 18:11.28 | bonehead | does cron have to be reloaded after making changes? |
| 18:11.34 | wols | cbx: if you have a CD-R handy, get the first 700MB CD image for your first install |
| 18:11.38 | jhutchins_lt | lsd: It's worth checking, things do change, and I'm pretty sure there's still a way to do it although I don't need to myself. |
| 18:11.45 | zinx | bonehead: no. assuming you (properly) made the changes with crontab -e |
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| 18:12.14 | wols | cbx: and it's a good idea to make sure you have everything needed to get online (wlan drivers and such) before trying to install |
| 18:12.38 | wols | lsd: for what hardware do you need firmware? |
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| 18:12.57 | lsd | stupid bnx2 |
| 18:13.04 | lsd | kinda feeling a bit stabby with Dell atm |
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| 18:13.21 | lsd | bcm5716 think |
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| 18:13.45 | kombi | something I allways wondered about but never dared to ask: |
| 18:13.48 | bonehead | my root cron jobs are still not working..i checked the log and im not seeing anything obvious that would signal a failure |
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| 18:14.05 | wols | lsd: get the firmware package on a usb stick |
| 18:14.13 | kombi | why is it, that on some machines it takes longer for the password prompt to appear? |
| 18:14.25 | Prock1 | ifi allways want the latest with out having to upgrade the whole system is testing a better choice? |
| 18:14.25 | wols | you can easily install it while you do the lenny install for example |
| 18:14.41 | lsd | wols, that's what i'm saying |
| 18:14.46 | lsd | it no longer even asks you to check USB devices |
| 18:14.46 | abrotman | Prock1: if you're asking, no |
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| 18:14.54 | wols | Prock1: you upgrade constantly thern. and testing will break. not as much as sid, but it will |
| 18:14.54 | lsd | i relied on it in previous install versions |
| 18:14.57 | Devastator | how to ask for a program's version? |
| 18:15.06 | Devastator | nm version? |
| 18:15.14 | lsd | it will, at some point, check removable media for *kernel drivers* |
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| 18:15.21 | wols | lsd: it doesn't need to. press ctrl+alt+f2 -> instant console where you can install a deb |
| 18:15.30 | Devastator | ops |
| 18:15.36 | lsd | wols, what command do you use to install a deb? |
| 18:15.38 | Devastator | I mean package's version |
| 18:15.39 | lsd | dpkg isn't present |
| 18:15.40 | dpkg | lsd: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 18:15.49 | wols | lsd: dkkg -i <file> |
| 18:15.53 | BaBaK | translate ityorself because imy english not enogh good to say it to english. |
| 18:15.53 | BaBaK | in kanal irc mozakhraftarin kanaliye ke toye omram didam.ye mosht ahmagh ke faghat baladan mozakhraf began.moratab irad begiran va ghavanine maskharashono be karbari ke moshkelesh ro az roye nachari omade inja mathah kade zor chappan konan. |
| 18:15.53 | BaBaK | lanat bar hamatoon |
| 18:16.00 | wols | of course dpkg is present |
| 18:16.02 | lsd | wols, ? |
| 18:16.20 | lsd | what's the path then? |
| 18:16.25 | abrotman | BaBaK: english here |
| 18:16.33 | wols | lsd: the path to your usb stick... |
| 18:16.39 | wols | and before you ask: mount is present |
| 18:16.40 | lsd | wols, no. the path to dpkg |
| 18:16.41 | Prock1 | at the moment im running pc-bsd, and i like the way the latest kde is, but on this system setup i have no sound |
| 18:16.46 | gnusosa | clear |
| 18:16.50 | lsd | wols, at the time of detecting network hardware, dpkg is not present in the console environment |
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| 18:17.23 | BaBaK | i cant read your lang.what lang you saying? its not english |
| 18:17.35 | wols | lsd: and for what do you need the network before the base system is installed (unless you insist on the businesscard) |
| 18:17.46 | Devastator | abrotman how do I know what version a package has in lenny and squeeze? I know there's a bot here that shows all versions.. |
| 18:17.54 | simonrvn | !version |
| 18:17.55 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:18.06 | wols | Devastator: ,versions <packagename> |
| 18:18.16 | Devastator | .versions networkmanager |
| 18:18.17 | wols | Devastator: but with less clutter in channel, use packages.debian.org |
| 18:18.20 | abrotman | Devastator: packages.debian.org/<pkg> |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | Devastator: and you don't ahve the right package name anyway |
| 18:18.36 | Devastator | hum :| |
| 18:18.37 | lsd | wols, i'm shipping these servers off for remote install |
| 18:18.54 | lsd | wols, i need to be able to supply simple instructions for getting them booted up and online |
| 18:19.01 | wols | lsd: what reason is there you can't install debian where you are before shipping? |
| 18:19.17 | themill | Devastator: network-manager not networkmanager |
| 18:19.18 | lsd | wols, yes. i only have 1 of the servers with me, the rest are delivered direct |
| 18:19.21 | lsd | wols, but this isn't the point |
| 18:19.28 | lsd | wols, the point is, you used to be able to do this before, but not anymore |
| 18:19.30 | lsd | someone has removed it |
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| 18:19.35 | alabd | babilen: which steps should be done for converting testing to stable ? |
| 18:19.38 | wols | then file a bug |
| 18:19.46 | rocketmagnet | hi all, where do i find the syslog log files ? |
| 18:19.49 | wols | alabd: reinstall |
| 18:19.54 | lsd | wols, i think it's policy, somehow |
| 18:19.55 | wols | rocketmagnet: /var/log |
| 18:19.58 | babilen | Devastator: 'rmadison' might be interesting as well (in package devscripts) |
| 18:20.01 | BaBaK | rocketmagnet: /etc |
| 18:20.03 | lsd | doesn't consider it a bug so much as a removed feature |
| 18:20.04 | simonrvn | rocketmagnet: like all system logs, in /var/log |
| 18:20.04 | alabd | no no |
| 18:20.06 | babilen | alabd: What do you mean? |
| 18:20.13 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 18:20.16 | lsd | i'll roll my own image |
| 18:20.17 | alabd | which steps should be done by debian team for converting testing to stable ? |
| 18:20.17 | Devastator | thanks |
| 18:20.19 | wols | lsd: not asking for a firmware is not policy |
| 18:20.25 | BaBaK | rocketmagnet: what? |
| 18:20.29 | babilen | alabd: Are you asking me, how you can downgrade a testing system to stable? |
| 18:20.37 | lsd | wols, what i mean is it appears to have been a decision to remove it |
| 18:20.44 | simonrvn | alabd: you mean releasing squeeze? several. |
| 18:20.47 | lsd | why else would it not be there? :) |
| 18:20.47 | babilen | alabd: Fix bugs |
| 18:20.56 | alabd | only ? |
| 18:21.11 | alabd | all bugs ? |
| 18:21.13 | wols | lsd: no. there was a decision to not ship any nonfree firmware anymore to comply with DFSG |
| 18:21.23 | wols | lsd: your problem is simply a collateral |
| 18:21.34 | wols | alabd: release critical bugs |
| 18:21.37 | rocketmagnet | how does debian gnome does mount volumes i put in (like external disks or usb drives) ? |
| 18:21.38 | babilen | alabd: No - RC bugs |
| 18:21.40 | simonrvn | what's with the "is squeeze out" "what happens when.." questions wrt squeeze? |
| 18:21.45 | lsd | wols, i know all this |
| 18:21.49 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about automount |
| 18:21.49 | BaBaK | rocketmagnet: are you alive? |
| 18:21.49 | rocketmagnet | so i can read about it and see what mount settings are used etc |
| 18:21.52 | simonrvn | someone write an article? |
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| 18:22.06 | alabd | RC ? babilen |
| 18:22.14 | lsd | wols, i know about non-free firmware, and i know about the change. i also know that the missing install option is also a very recent thing |
| 18:22.29 | wols | simonrvn: whenever a new release is on the horizen, the plebs gets uneasy :) |
| 18:22.34 | BaBaK | what is debain? |
| 18:22.43 | wols | BaBaK: www.debian.org |
| 18:22.44 | BaBaK | is it windows? |
| 18:22.46 | lsd | lol |
| 18:22.54 | simonrvn | a gnu/linux distribution |
| 18:23.05 | babilen | alabd: I already introduced you to the concept of release critical (RC) bugs. Apart from that certain functionality and architectures are wanted for a new release. |
| 18:23.07 | BaBaK | what is gnu? |
| 18:23.14 | simonrvn | www.gnu.org |
| 18:23.18 | wols | simonrvn: do you expect somone to know what gnu/linux is when he has to ask what debian is? |
| 18:23.20 | BaBaK | i know linux is a pinguin |
| 18:23.27 | lsd | babak, it's an animal. they travel in hurds |
| 18:23.36 | babilen | alabd: Read the Debian reference (/msg dpkg reference), the developers reference and a bunch of books on Debian |
| 18:23.40 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 18:23.43 | BaBaK | what is the gnu meaning? |
| 18:23.44 | lsd | takes his coat |
| 18:24.28 | BaBaK | can i run debian in my windows? |
| 18:24.29 | simonrvn | wols: they might know one and not the other. that's rare however. |
| 18:24.30 | wols | BaBaK: this is not a general chat channel. it's a channel for helping people solving problems with their debian isntalls. you obviously don't have such problems, so stop being OT. thank you |
| 18:24.39 | simonrvn | BaBaK: it's a completely different OS |
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| 18:24.51 | lsd | wols, actually it might be a bug... the bnx2 driver might not be asking for the firmware when it should |
| 18:24.57 | lsd | will investigate further before filing anything |
| 18:25.01 | mike-burns | I'm pretty sure BaBaK is surprisingly OT, though it does seem like he's trolling. |
| 18:25.15 | simonrvn | that did occur to me |
| 18:25.17 | wols | lsd: the bnx2 driver is part of the kernel, how dould it ask for firmware? |
| 18:25.28 | lsd | i have no idea about the underlying mechanisms |
| 18:25.28 | alabd | babilen: which steps should be done by debian team for converting unstable to testing so ? |
| 18:25.36 | themill | BaBaK: please take a break from #debian... this isn't a general chat channel but there are other places like #defocus that are. |
| 18:25.47 | lsd | but there must be some way of communicating this. frmo the debian docs: "If a device driver requests firmware that is not available, debian-installer will display a dialog offering to load the missing firmwar" |
| 18:25.59 | wols | alabd: too many to elaborate here |
| 18:26.01 | lsd | see what i mean? |
| 18:26.03 | simonrvn | though i suppose you could install debian in your windows, though a computer doesn't make for nice scenery in said window |
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| 18:26.35 | simonrvn | alabd: unstable doesn't get released. ever. |
| 18:26.41 | lsd | so that dialog never appears |
| 18:26.44 | babilen | alabd: Read the documentation or a good book please. |
| 18:26.45 | simonrvn | it's too bad of a kid :P |
| 18:26.57 | lsd | therefore it could be that the driver isn't requesting it. however *that* works |
| 18:27.18 | alabd | babilen: no humble don't require more info just in this limit |
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| 18:27.39 | rocketmagnet | how to best view the dmesg log changes in a conosle ? so i don't have to type tail /var/log/dmesg again and again ? |
| 18:27.50 | wols | rocketmagnet: less <file> |
| 18:27.59 | simonrvn | rocketmagnet: that file doesn't get updated. |
| 18:28.15 | wols | or do you mean continous changes? tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 18:28.21 | rocketmagnet | yes |
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| 18:28.22 | babilen | alabd: Packages migrate from unstable to testing if they meet certain criteria (no Y type bugs, in unstable for X days, ...) |
| 18:28.23 | rocketmagnet | ah ok |
| 18:28.26 | rocketmagnet | thank you |
| 18:28.33 | simonrvn | rocketmagnet: you probably want something like syslog or kern.log |
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| 18:28.53 | simonrvn | (or my personal favourite less +F foo) |
| 18:28.56 | mike-burns | Oh this kern.log is news to me. Why is it separate from dmesg? What's the difference? |
| 18:29.29 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 18:29.29 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/, or 'apt-get install rutebook' and read! |
| 18:29.48 | mike-burns | simonrvn: 'man kern.log' didn't illuminate, so I asked here. |
| 18:30.05 | simonrvn | kern(el).log |
| 18:30.17 | lsd | simonrvn, that's a good one |
| 18:30.56 | mike-burns | I'm still unsure how /var/log/dmesg differs from /var/log/kern.log. |
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| 18:31.45 | simonrvn | /var/log/dmesg doesn't get updated, like i said. dmesg does. |
| 18:31.50 | mike-burns | Yes, yes. |
| 18:31.52 | mike-burns | Why. |
| 18:32.38 | Titan8990 | mike-burns, man proc, check out the section on /proc/kmesg. Also, check your syslog configuration for kern.log |
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| 18:32.53 | mike-burns | Titan8990: Thanks a bunch. |
| 18:33.01 | rocketmagnet | when automount gives me an eror like "wrong mount options used", what can i do to make it mount ? |
| 18:33.13 | simonrvn | i don't know. the former is a snapshot of dmesg at boot. that buffer gets updated when it gets a message. the file version is only meant as a snapshot, so no updates are written to it. |
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| 18:34.14 | kombi | when I log on to a box, does it try to resolve my hostname before it presents me with a password prompt? |
| 18:34.16 | jhutchins_lt | rocketmagnet: Give it the right mount options? |
| 18:34.28 | jhutchins_lt | rocketmagnet: Test your mount options by mounting manually. |
| 18:34.28 | abrotman | kombi: it can .. you can disable that |
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| 18:34.49 | mike-burns | Ah, it must have to do with syslog taking over after it's started. |
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| 18:35.04 | dynamic | what hard drive diagnostic program dou guys like best? |
| 18:35.08 | kombi | abrotman: seems on by default then, allways wondered why that prompt sometimes takes so long |
| 18:35.09 | rocketmagnet | jhutchins_lt: how to find out which /dev device it is ? |
| 18:35.30 | jhutchins_lt | rocketmagnet: fdisk -l might help. |
| 18:35.30 | rocketmagnet | i get something like scsi6 when i look at the syslog messages from the automount process |
| 18:35.52 | rocketmagnet | thanks |
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| 18:36.11 | simonrvn | mike-burns: somewhat yes. tmk. i haven't looked at in depth. |
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| 18:43.46 | zinx | g0rd0n: uhm, not enough data |
| 18:43.56 | g0rd0n | dammit :P |
| 18:44.26 | mike-burns | g0rd0n: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/dencoder/ |
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| 18:45.22 | alabd | babilen: of course when testing converts to stable , unstable should necessarily be testing yes ? |
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| 18:46.53 | alabd | can we say > experimental , unstable , testing , stable , old stable are debian release formats ? |
| 18:47.23 | themill | alabd: no. testing gets "copied" to stable. Or more strictly, old-testing gets copied to new-testing and things go on as before with unstable->testing. unstable is never messed with |
| 18:47.32 | wols | alabd: unstablle will never become testing. sid/unstable will always stay unstable |
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| 18:49.25 | JW | simonrvn: I can't find any config.log with find. and /server-info actually doesn't including any information about mod_perl which is what I'm really after. |
| 18:49.49 | simonrvn | JW: um, top-most directory. |
| 18:50.03 | alabd | themill: wols what are debian release formats |
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| 18:50.41 | JW | it's just not there. |
| 18:50.50 | simonrvn | JW: if you haven't run a make clean, it should be there. |
| 18:51.01 | JW | nothing named *config* hidden or plain |
| 18:51.05 | JW | weird |
| 18:51.49 | themill | alabd: you need to define "release format" first. It's a term that only you use, debian does not. |
| 18:52.05 | JW | When you run "dpkg-buildpackage -b" what file does is look in tobegin with? I assume it's something in the "debian" directory |
| 18:52.18 | wols | JW: debian/rules ? |
| 18:52.24 | simonrvn | no, top-most of the source tree |
| 18:52.29 | alabd | themill: for example stable is kinda release format |
| 18:52.45 | simonrvn | but otherwise debian/rules has the ./configure shit |
| 18:52.48 | themill | alabd: "release" not "release format". /msg dpkg releases |
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| 18:53.27 | simonrvn | JW: you said you built from source, i assumed you hadn't used the debian source package. |
| 18:53.41 | JW | I'm sorry sorry. I meant the debian source |
| 18:53.44 | JW | * so sorry |
| 18:54.00 | alabd | themill: we have release formats like stable release or rolling releases |
| 18:54.05 | simonrvn | but like wols said, debian/rules has that stuff |
| 18:54.25 | JW | I installed it with "apt-get -b source apache" |
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| 18:54.34 | JW | yes I"m looking in debian/rules now, thanks |
| 18:54.50 | themill | alabd: who is "we"? |
| 18:54.55 | simonrvn | (i said it too, but he said it first ;p) |
| 18:55.14 | alabd | and some others that said o me |
| 18:55.16 | simonrvn | themill: lemme know when you find out :P |
| 18:55.26 | alabd | release types/formats |
| 18:55.40 | alabd | some distros are released in rolling |
| 18:55.44 | alabd | some stable |
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| 18:57.21 | alabd | can we say debian testing release ? |
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| 18:57.47 | alabd | themill: sim |
| 18:57.55 | alabd | simonrvn: |
| 18:57.57 | alabd | can we say debian testing release ? |
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| 18:59.26 | themill | alabd: testing is not "released", it's a developer snapshot only. It is a "release" in debian terms because that's what apt calls it to find the right directory. You really should "/msg dpkg releases" and read the documentation that is already out there for this. |
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| 19:00.42 | LinkRage | How can I force /etc/init.d/network-manager to use the settings in /etc/network/interfaces for static IP on debian sid/mepis ? I'm tired if it |
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| 19:01.07 | LinkRage | network-manager keeps bypassing and uses dhcp |
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| 19:01.44 | zleap | LinkRage, can you disable dhcp and set a static IP |
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| 19:02.35 | LinkRage | I can with ifconfig etc. but I't doesn't work if it's set in /etc/network/interfaces, I don't do that for the first time in debian mhm |
| 19:03.25 | Devastator | how about setting network-manager managed=false? |
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| 19:04.08 | LinkRage | it is to false - [ifupdown] managed=false < /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:04.35 | wols | LinkRage: mepis is not debian |
| 19:04.50 | wols | and we don't support it here |
| 19:04.59 | LinkRage | wols, unfortunately you are right |
| 19:05.26 | LinkRage | I think I'll set this using commands in rc.local etc I dunno... :> |
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| 19:06.37 | lsd | anybody know what binary the debian installer uses to configure network devices? |
| 19:06.43 | lsd | as in, the equivalent of ifconfig |
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| 19:07.20 | alabd | thanks themill |
| 19:07.34 | alabd | thanks wols |
| 19:07.48 | alabd | thanks babilen simonrvn |
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| 19:07.53 | alabd | god peace you |
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| 19:11.51 | khvu | can anyone help with the instalation of debian lenny? |
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| 19:15.31 | lsd | khvu, we will try |
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| 19:17.00 | khvu | lsd, you know anything about the intel pro/wireless 3945 driver during install? |
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| 19:18.36 | lsd | khvu, i know that it's tricky to get working during install, that's all :) |
| 19:18.53 | lsd | khvu, did you find anything helpful online? |
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| 19:19.30 | khvu | i kinda did debian install saw the driver and recognized my device but it couldn't connect after that |
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| 19:21.27 | Abnix | has anyone here ever gotten dell's openmanage to work correctly on a debian rig? (and ahve it work correctly in IT Assistant?) |
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| 19:21.57 | lsd | khvu, i guess that stuff is hard to fix during install, i'm not sure what to do |
| 19:22.16 | Abnix | I've been able to get it working on teh local machine, but once I join that machine to it asssitant, it never collexts any data from the remote (debian) machine... |
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| 19:23.58 | khvu | I think i can get into the non-free repository and ignored it during install |
| 19:24.16 | khvu | i assumed that it wasn't supported because of proprietary drivers that intel have |
| 19:24.46 | tobago | can you please help me to correct the grub.cfg: http://gist.github.com/305732 after choosing the entry in grub, it returns "file not found. press any key to continue". |
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| 19:25.35 | ejko | why wont dd-ing a cd1 to a flash drive device allow it to boot into an install? |
| 19:26.03 | ejko | doesnt the iso contain the bootloader and everything else needed to kickstart an install? what difference does it make whether its on a flash drive or a cd |
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| 19:27.53 | dios_mio | how do i switch to my own language keyboard in debian? |
| 19:28.01 | khvu | you can use unetbootin and it will set it up for you...but it can only fit a standard installation |
| 19:28.09 | dios_mio | i installed it with dp[kg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:28.22 | khvu | unless u have an uber 8gb flash driver |
| 19:29.21 | ejko | just curious as to why dd if=disc1.so of=/dev/sdc wont work |
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| 19:31.14 | RichiH | is anyone aware of a conditional apt-get source? i.e. when my laptop is at home, it should use my local debproxy |
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| 19:32.47 | DasEi | ejko: give partition, or you'll overwrite mbr of hd |
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| 19:33.28 | ejko | buntfalke: doesn't the iso include that? |
| 19:34.08 | DasEi | ejko: no, that won't work |
| 19:34.23 | DasEi | ejko: use unetbootin for a live cd from usb |
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| 19:35.24 | DasEi | RichiH: you could use two sources lists and switch them |
| 19:35.43 | ejko | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB wiki says to use whole drive instead of specific partition |
| 19:36.41 | simonrvn | RichiH: m4-ise your sources.list? or some other way of having two (or more). |
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| 19:38.04 | DasEi | ejko: did you follow this guide an then tried to dd an *.img over ? or just the installer iso ? |
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| 19:40.29 | tobago | what's wrong with my grub.cfg: http://gist.github.com/305732 ? |
| 19:40.29 | ejko | im basically trying to boot a full install (CD1) off a flash drive. i know i can use unetbootin (used it before) - but why can't i just dd cd 1 over to the drive. why doesnt it work |
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| 19:41.07 | Titan8990 | !usb install |
| 19:41.07 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:41.23 | DasEi | ejko: because an mbr acts different from an autorun on cd |
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| 19:41.57 | LinkRage | Devastator, I fixed the problem thanks to http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager ;) |
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| 19:44.59 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 19:50.19 | dkr | ouch, it seems any bookmarks I added in iceweasel the last year disappeared after lenny->squeeze upgrade |
| 19:50.40 | abrotman | and you just noticed now ? |
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| 19:52.03 | dkr | well, I noticed last night just after doing the upgrade (and fixing a dozen other issues) but went to bed, :) |
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| 19:52.21 | wols | imho vanishing bookmarks /due to a truncated bookmarks file) is something that plagued firefox since forever |
| 19:52.30 | dkr | haha "As a first step, exit Firefox and restart the computer, then reopen Firefox to see if the issue is resolved. " |
| 19:53.00 | dkr | its apparently due to a different way firefox2 stores bookmarks,html and firefox3 uses sqlite |
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| 19:54.00 | simonrvn | yeh. usually happens automatically. |
| 19:54.13 | simonrvn | but you could also import the html file. |
| 19:54.24 | simonrvn | dkr: ^^^ |
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| 19:54.48 | dkr | oh, actually that can't be the issue. stable I was on already was 3.0.6, this upgrade was to 3.5.6 |
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| 19:58.58 | tobago | which debian *.iso to load for installing on a machine without cd-rom and without network? |
| 19:59.34 | babilen | !usb install |
| 19:59.34 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 20:00.05 | babilen | tobago: No network at all? |
| 20:00.18 | tobago | babilen, i know that. abd got it booted and loaded the debian.iso, but the installation always fails, because it can't detect a cd-rom. |
| 20:00.27 | tobago | babilen, no network at all. |
| 20:00.47 | babilen | tobago: have you placed the iso on the USB stick? |
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| 20:01.02 | tobago | babilen, external usb hd. |
| 20:01.06 | simonrvn | dkr: sqlite3 therelevantfile.sqlite then type VACUUM; and ^d |
| 20:01.10 | dkr | so the issue was that it did import my bookmarks.html which was still around from the firefox-2.x to 3.0 upgrade overriding the more up to date places.sqlite bookmarks ha dbeen added to the last year |
| 20:01.14 | simonrvn | dkr: might help ;) |
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| 20:02.05 | simonrvn | dkr: i don't recall seeing an issue with mine |
| 20:02.07 | babilen | tobago: And you could boot the installer from the USB disk, but it did not find the provided ISO? |
| 20:02.20 | simonrvn | dkr: such an* |
| 20:02.50 | tobago | babilen, i couls run the debian installer. but it tries to detect a cd-rom, which is not there. |
| 20:02.58 | tobago | cd-rom-device. |
| 20:03.34 | babilen | tobago: you might be able to skip that step in the expert install - but it's been a while, so not sure |
| 20:03.58 | tobago | babilen, no i can't. i only can switch to bash. |
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| 20:05.18 | dkr | simonrvn: well, I found that I do have entries in bookmarkbackups to restore from, at least. :) |
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| 20:05.36 | simonrvn | tha's cool |
| 20:05.41 | tobago | babilen, with ubuntu live cd it's an easy installation, but debian fails. |
| 20:06.18 | tobago | means ubuntu live |
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| 20:07.58 | tobago | so is there a debian iso out there for machines without cd-rom and without network? |
| 20:08.40 | SpeedyG | tobago: yeah, the dvd's (for which a cd-rom is useless obviously) ;) |
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| 20:09.18 | tobago | SpeedyG, i downloaded the dvd-1.iso and started it by external usb hd. but it fails. |
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| 20:09.51 | tobago | SpeedyG, it tries to detect a cd-rom-device (which is NOT available) as well. |
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| 20:10.23 | tobago | and the installer doesn't go on without having detected a cd-rom-device. |
| 20:10.31 | tobago | so it fails. |
| 20:11.12 | babilen | and you can't skip that step during the expert install? |
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| 20:11.56 | tobago | babilen, no. i can detect the keyboard layout again or try to detect the network (which is NOT available as well) or cancel or use the bash. |
| 20:11.58 | oggei | tobago: youhave to produce an usb installer medium and drop inside his partition an iso file |
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| 20:12.17 | oggei | not eg. dd if=blah-cd1.iso of=<usb> |
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| 20:13.03 | babilen | tobago: didn't you follow the usb install howto quoted above? |
| 20:13.15 | tobago | oggei, i already can start the installer from my usb medium. |
| 20:13.35 | oggei | tobago: i'm reading " i downloaded the dvd-1.iso and started it by external usb hd" and that seems strange to me. |
| 20:13.36 | babilen | how did you create that usb-installer-medium? |
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| 20:14.58 | tobago | babilen, i installed grub on the boot partition in /boot/grub and edited the grub.cfg for starting the debian.iso. having run the installer it fails trying to detect the cd-rom. |
| 20:15.07 | tobago | oggei, ^^ |
| 20:15.14 | babilen | !tell tobago -about usb install |
| 20:15.22 | oggei | tobago, ^^ |
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| 20:16.42 | babilen | tobago: Follow 'the easy method' |
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| 20:18.35 | tobago | babilen, the easy method wants me to use the netinst?? |
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| 20:19.11 | babilen | tobago: Just copy the ISO over there |
| 20:19.25 | oggei | !tell tobago -about netinstall |
| 20:19.32 | babilen | oggei: no network |
| 20:19.49 | oggei | netinstall is sufficient for installing a base system offline |
| 20:19.53 | tobago | oggei, there is no network either. |
| 20:20.08 | oggei | imho tobago isn't understanding that |
| 20:20.10 | Titan8990 | tobago, not actually required for netinst, just don't select any tasks |
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| 20:20.36 | babilen | tobago: Do you mind if i ask what weird machine you are installing Debian on that has neither cdrom nor a network adaptor? |
| 20:21.19 | tobago | babilen, http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/specifications/ |
| 20:21.46 | babilen | tobago: That thing has network adaptors |
| 20:21.46 | SPF | tobago: it has LAN |
| 20:21.47 | tobago | babilen, but the network is not supportet by debian by default. |
| 20:21.53 | tobago | SPF, ^^ |
| 20:22.02 | tobago | supported |
| 20:22.18 | babilen | tobago: Which is an entire different problem than no network *at all* |
| 20:22.21 | oggei | anyway a correctly prepared usb medium and a properly placed netinst image should do the job |
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| 20:22.31 | babilen | exactly |
| 20:22.36 | tobago | but i knbow a workaround how to fix it afterwards (as i did with ubuntu) |
| 20:22.44 | SPF | tobago: fit-pc2 forum has all the answers you seek: http://www.fit-pc2.com/forum/ |
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| 20:23.19 | babilen | tobago: Follow 'the easy method' install the base system, configure your network and off you go. |
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| 20:23.35 | babilen | !tell kmuto -about kmuto |
| 20:23.46 | babilen | !tell tobago -about kmuto |
| 20:23.48 | babilen | :-) |
| 20:23.52 | SPF | I have a fit-pc2 myself and I used the mini.iso instead of the netinst.iso |
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| 20:24.18 | babilen | tobago: You might want to try the kmuto netinst ISOs - what did you have to do to get the network running? |
| 20:25.40 | tobago | babilen, i read about it: http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php?title=R1000_Internet_Drivers_for_3.0stable_mini |
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| 20:26.29 | babilen | tobago: So which chipset does your NIC use? (SPF?) |
| 20:26.51 | tobago | babilen, 8168B |
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| 20:27.17 | babilen | !rtl8168d |
| 20:27.18 | dpkg | [rtl8168d] the RealTek RTL8168D Ethernet controller, supported by <r8169> since Linux 2.6.31. v1 is supported in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21, ask me about <5.0.4>. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for v1 and v2 was removed; not packaged due to no clear redistribution permission (BTS #561309, #564628). Both versions can operate without userspace firmware as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3, see also http://bugs.debian.org/564010#17 |
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| 20:27.37 | greymalkin | Hehe... lots of fitPCs here -- I guess I didn't realize that they really are that popular; mine runs everything in the house :) |
| 20:27.51 | wols | so a kmuto installer should work babilen? |
| 20:27.51 | babilen | tobago: Use the kmuto ISO |
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| 20:28.00 | babilen | wols: I would think so :-) |
| 20:28.08 | babilen | let's check the exact kmuto kernel version :-) |
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| 20:28.35 | tobago | greymalkin, did you also had these issues with installation because of missing network support? |
| 20:28.48 | drwahl | i have a Logitech G11 keyboard and can't seem to get the custom keys to work. can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:29.00 | greymalkin | No, I have an old version 1; all hard-wire. |
| 20:29.27 | SPF | tobago: I had no problems with drivers when I used the mini.iso from debian |
| 20:29.47 | tobago | SPF, alright. i'll give it a shot. |
| 20:30.08 | Titan8990 | drwahl, http://www.g15tools.com/Welcome.html |
| 20:30.34 | tobago | SPF, i'm reading your article at fitpc-2 right now :) |
| 20:30.46 | SPF | :) |
| 20:30.48 | drwahl | Titan8990: i'll give that a go (for a second time). thanks |
| 20:30.52 | Titan8990 | drwahl, everything will be labeled as g15, the LCD screen related stuff obviously doesn't apply to you |
| 20:31.07 | Titan8990 | drwahl, i believe there are debian packages for those tools as well |
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| 20:31.27 | drwahl | Titan8990: that will make things easier. thanks |
| 20:31.55 | babilen | SPF, tobago: Ah i just realised that that factoid was for rtl8168*D* not rtl8168*B* - do you have the pciid for that device, or do you know if you need firmware? |
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| 20:32.27 | tobago | babilen, i guess i need the firmware. |
| 20:32.42 | babilen | !tell tobago -about installer firmware |
| 20:32.51 | digk | hi, i have a server with debian lenny and ispconfig 3 with mydns instead of bind, something weird appeared i haven't change anything to the server and all in a sudden i'm not able to contact any DNS using ping or telnet from the server |
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| 20:33.12 | babilen | tobago: I would still try the kmuto netinstall ISO with the newer kernel ... |
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| 20:33.44 | tobago | babilen, i first try the article by SPF, who also had to install on fitpc-2 |
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| 20:33.56 | SPF | babilen: how can I get the pciid from a working system? |
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| 20:34.12 | babilen | SPF: 'lspci -nn|grep -i network' |
| 20:34.18 | digk | anyone could help me to find the issue ? |
| 20:34.20 | SPF | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) |
| 20:34.30 | bridgeguy1 | Hey, how do I purge the ip address from a network interface? I've configured an interface using /etc/network/interfaces. If I shut it down with "ifconfig eth1 down && ifconfig eth1 up" it just reuses the old configuration that I've since removed from /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:34.35 | ninaja94 | What's the deal with the new WD 4K sector drives? How do I track how the FLOSS community support is coming along, or which tools are up to date? |
| 20:34.40 | babilen | SPF: you forgot the '-nn' |
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| 20:34.53 | SPF | ah: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02) |
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| 20:35.03 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 20:35.05 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 20:35.14 | oggei | bridgeguy1: ifconfig down doesn't "umplumb" ip config, you have to ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 down or ifdown eth1 |
| 20:35.51 | babilen | tobago: Try whatever the article from SPF suggested and then the kmuto ISO's with 'the easy way' |
| 20:36.02 | tobago | babilen, yep. |
| 20:36.15 | babilen | tobago: kmuto should work with your NIC |
| 20:36.27 | wols | this 10ec:8168 is only the most used gbit NIC on consumer hardware right now. it worked in linux for ages now |
| 20:36.30 | tobago | i'm looking forward |
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| 20:37.30 | SPF | I think both kmuto and debian mini can detect the nic |
| 20:37.33 | babilen | wols: with 2.6.26 and without firmware? |
| 20:39.27 | wols | 2.6.30-2 without any firmware. at least I didn't install any |
| 20:39.56 | wols | and I never had a problem ever since I bought the board in early 2008 |
| 20:40.24 | wols | the 2.6.18 etch kernel has problems I think, but that was the last one I encountered |
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| 20:41.28 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:42.16 | digk | anyone would help me finding the issue with my dns setup ? |
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| 20:42.34 | wols | digk: metaquestions kill kittens |
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| 20:43.33 | digk | sorry wols but i do not understand i'm very new to linux box |
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| 20:44.36 | digk | ok i finally get my answer nothing with my server it is related to the registar |
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| 20:45.37 | manicman | hi |
| 20:45.50 | manicman | is there no xen support on debian/squeeze? |
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| 20:47.35 | jelly-home | manicman: I think that's true, at present. |
| 20:47.59 | jelly-home | (assuming you mean dom0) |
| 20:48.03 | manicman | jelly-home: hm.. any chance to get it work with lenny packages? |
| 20:48.07 | manicman | jelly-home: yes i do |
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| 20:48.25 | jelly-home | manicman: why not install lenny on dom0? |
| 20:48.41 | manicman | jelly-home: because i have a working sqeeze running... |
| 20:48.44 | beambot | hello together ... is there someone how can help me with debian-live persistent problems ... not only one of the manuals in www works for me fine? |
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| 20:48.55 | manicman | jelly-home: and id like to be safe in the future...:\ |
| 20:49.15 | HTT-Bird | hey floks, what version of Iceowl should I be using? or do you recommend another calendaring/to-do-list solution altogether? |
| 20:49.21 | jelly-home | manicman: using debian testing is by no means safe for anything |
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| 20:49.45 | yagoo | beambot, #debian-live |
| 20:50.04 | manicman | jelly-home: sqeeze should become stable in february or march... |
| 20:50.15 | jelly-home | manicman: that's not correct |
| 20:50.19 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 20:50.20 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 20:50.35 | beambot | yagoo: there is nobody ... damn |
| 20:50.45 | tobago | SPF, SPF i started again with mini.iso as you wrote in your article. started the installer. there it tried to detect network again. it furthermore asked me for a proxy (which i left blank) and then i had to go back to main menu of the installer. but how to go on? |
| 20:51.18 | manicman | jelly-home: on servers i will use lenny, but i would like to use sqeeze also |
| 20:51.33 | wols | manicman: nothing's stopping you |
| 20:51.35 | HTT-Bird | yeah, debian testing does break from time to time |
| 20:51.36 | jelly-home | manicman: squeeze isn't even frozen yet; expect 6-12 months long stabilizing after is gets frozen until the release. |
| 20:51.52 | HTT-Bird | but it's not nearly as bad as those crazy folks running sid :P |
| 20:52.21 | manicman | jelly-home: hm.. that surprises me...:\ |
| 20:52.33 | manicman | wols: there is no xen support anymore in debian sqeeze |
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| 20:52.57 | manicman | HTT-Bird: sqeeze works absolutly perfect for me |
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| 20:53.01 | HTT-Bird | hmmm...anyone willing to offer up suggestions when it comes to calendaring apps? |
| 20:53.04 | HTT-Bird | yeah, that's what I run here too |
| 20:53.10 | draeath | What determines if aptitude uses su or sudo to escalate to root? |
| 20:53.22 | draeath | or does ubuntu patch that? |
| 20:53.37 | HTT-Bird | draeath, go ask #ubuntu if you're using ubuntu, or did they point you here? :) |
| 20:53.50 | draeath | neither. I want it to use sudo. |
| 20:54.10 | jelly-home | manicman: eh, it shouldn't, considering etch and lenny freeze cycles |
| 20:54.25 | beambot | ok, another question ... how could i create a imagefile greater then 1Gb ... with dd if=/dev/null of=live-rw bs=3G seek=1 it had not worked? |
| 20:54.27 | draeath | I mean, I can just use sudo to begin with, but anyways. i was wondering how it was done |
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| 20:55.26 | draeath | HTT-Bird: although it's quite "awsome" how quickly you jumped on that one. Nice to know people still do the wrong-distro-GTFO thing around here... |
| 20:55.55 | karlpinc | !ubuntu |
| 20:55.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:56.15 | draeath | great, and now other people are just randomly jumping in. IM ON LENNY. |
| 20:56.37 | draeath | I'm just wondering if aptitude is /configurable/ regarding it's use of su or sudo, or if that is something that has to be patched in |
| 20:56.44 | babilen | draeath: you determine that |
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| 20:56.50 | HTT-Bird | draeath, you fooled me :p |
| 20:56.56 | HTT-Bird | into thinking you were on ubuntu |
| 20:57.05 | HTT-Bird | with your "or does ubuntu patch that?" |
| 20:57.11 | babilen | draeath: aptitude does not automatically acquire super user permissions |
| 20:57.16 | draeath | Hmm, I suppose i could have worded that better |
| 20:57.35 | HTT-Bird | yeah, you definitely could have :) and I wasn't trying to shove you out the door either. :p |
| 20:57.52 | babilen | draeath: You could "alias aptitude='sudo aptitude'" for example |
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| 20:58.22 | babilen | draeath: Or use root if you want to be root :) |
| 20:58.37 | babilen | draeath: that alias is for BASH |
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| 21:00.09 | draeath | Hmm. Well, assuming multiuser, doing that would mean a user couldn't do read-only operations |
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| 21:00.57 | draeath | Well since nobody has had a quick answer I'm going to assume it's a patch. Have to go nag the ubuntu people, soon as I work up the courage to swim in that channel :) |
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| 21:01.02 | jelly-home | babilen: um... yes, aptitude does exactly that (su -c aptitude), in the interactive mode |
| 21:01.14 | yagoo | draeath, su has nothing to do with aptitude |
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| 21:01.37 | HTT-Bird | hmmm...here's one for you folks...do you recommend that I use the Iceowl from stable/testing/unstable, the Iceowl from experimental, or some other app for calendar/to-do-lists/...? |
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| 21:01.44 | Muzer | Where do you get/how can you make Debian filesystem tarballs? I'm going to attempt to install Etch on my RiscPC (not quite sure what the working status of it is), and I need a filesystem for it |
| 21:01.45 | puty | puty |
| 21:01.48 | linuxguy2009 | How hard is it to move my home folder to a seperate partition? I know how to make the partition and move files over with a live cd but what else is involved? |
| 21:01.53 | yagoo | says su and sudo are separate apps |
| 21:02.03 | HTT-Bird | linuxguy2009, not much harder than that |
| 21:02.10 | wols | Muzer: huh? |
| 21:02.14 | Titan8990 | linuxguy2009, editing /etc/fstab to update the changes |
| 21:02.29 | jelly-home | linuxguy2009: and that's pretty much it |
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| 21:02.40 | wols | Muzer: after installing debian, you have a filesystem on the system you installed it |
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| 21:02.54 | wols | linuxguy2009: no livecd needed |
| 21:02.56 | Muzer | wols: I'm installing on a RiscPC, there IS no Debian installer |
| 21:03.00 | wols | you can do it on a live system if you want |
| 21:03.09 | yagoo | !tell Muzer about tarball |
| 21:03.09 | Muzer | It's an old Arm machine made by Acorn in the mid 90s |
| 21:03.09 | linuxguy2009 | Ok thats what I figured. Never edited that file before, I guess I need to read up on what the syntax is for the contained lines. |
| 21:03.14 | tabashco | draeath: there's an entry somewhere in the files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, look for "Get-Root-Command" iirc |
| 21:03.22 | wols | I know what a RiscPC is |
| 21:03.42 | Muzer | yagoo: That said nothing I didn't know already - <dpkg> yagoo wants you to know: methinks tarball is a file archived with tar (usually a .tar.gz file) |
| 21:03.44 | wols | Muzer: filesystems are made with mkfs, e.g. mkfs.ext2 |
| 21:03.45 | jelly-home | Muzer: do you have any bootable linux for it? if you do, use debootstrap to install |
| 21:04.11 | Muzer | wols: Yeah, I meant a tarball of what would constitute the contents of the filesytem |
| 21:04.21 | yagoo | Muzer, http://wiki.debian.org/ArmPort |
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| 21:04.28 | linuxguy2009 | Ok Im off to read a bit. Thanks guys! |
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| 21:04.41 | wols | Muzer: what kernel do you plan to use? what bootloader? |
| 21:05.01 | Muzer | wols: linloader and the Etch RiscPC kernel |
| 21:05.07 | yagoo | Muzer, yeah.. tarballs are made with the tar command :)a |
| 21:05.18 | Muzer | I've got the kernel booted, but it didn't go anywhere without a filesystem obviously :p |
| 21:05.42 | yagoo | Muzer, everything you're saying sounds like a paradox |
| 21:05.46 | yagoo | oO |
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| 21:06.22 | wols | Muzer: install debian on another ARM machine (even one via bochs perhaps), dd it over to the riscpc |
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| 21:07.34 | Muzer | Will debootstrap allow me to get a filesystem which I can then just transfer over (probably via cp -a) without having to chroot into it? |
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| 21:08.02 | wols | no. debootstrap will install a full debian. including making a filesystem |
| 21:08.02 | Titan8990 | Muzer, when you say filesystem, we think ext2, ext3, XFS, etc |
| 21:08.17 | Titan8990 | Muzer, not a bunch of files found on a debian install, this is where we are getting confused |
| 21:08.23 | Muzer | ah |
| 21:08.27 | HackeMate | hello, my networkmanager says my ethernet is disabled or doesn't exists, and pidgin is waiting to networkmanager activate the ethernet, but I'm already connected |
| 21:08.29 | HackeMate | how can i fix it? |
| 21:08.39 | Muzer | well, I'm talking about the filesystem as in the FHS |
| 21:08.45 | wols | HackeMate: pidgin -f |
| 21:08.46 | Muzer | maybe nobody uses that terminology any more, I don't know :p |
| 21:08.58 | yagoo | HackeMate, you can uninstall networkmanager if you don't ever use it |
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| 21:09.10 | yagoo | HackeMate, network vs networkmanager service (networkmanager works with dbus) |
| 21:09.19 | Titan8990 | Muzer, debootstrap will install the base files to a directory you specify, you don't have to chroot into it, but you do if you want to complete the installation |
| 21:09.47 | Muzer | Titan8990: So if I use debootstrap, copy it over to a RiscPC and then boot into it, will I be able to complete the installation? |
| 21:09.51 | HackeMate | wols: yea that worked (shall I execute pidgin in that way?) yagoo I liked to see the icon, but if disabling it will fix, i will do |
| 21:09.53 | r0nin | complete it how? |
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| 21:10.07 | Muzer | Since I don't have an ARM machine and I'd like to avoid having to go into an emulator (I'll probably do it as a last resort) |
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| 21:10.19 | wols | HackeMate: unless you use nm-applet to connect, yes |
| 21:10.25 | draeath | yagoo: er, aptitude calls su (or sudo, on ubuntu) if you need to do stuff as root and you are not said root. |
| 21:10.29 | draeath | tabashco: thanks! |
| 21:10.37 | Muzer | I have ways of transferring the files, two to be precise, so don't worry about that |
| 21:10.42 | Titan8990 | Muzer, no, not without some type of bootable media |
| 21:10.55 | Titan8990 | Muzer, you need to install grub to the drive, install a kernel, and various other things |
| 21:11.04 | Titan8990 | Muzer, have a look at the debootstrap section of the install guide |
| 21:11.08 | Muzer | Titan8990: I have a kernel, I have a way of loading the kernel and an initrd |
| 21:11.10 | wols | Titan8990: he won't install grub on a riscpc |
| 21:11.21 | Titan8990 | lilo? |
| 21:11.24 | Muzer | Funnily enough, there IS a grub port |
| 21:11.28 | Muzer | Linloader is what I'm using though |
| 21:11.31 | wols | Muzer: can you stard busybox from the initrd? |
| 21:11.34 | Muzer | appears to work fine |
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| 21:11.42 | Muzer | there's also !Linux but that refuses to boot the 2.6 kernel |
| 21:12.06 | Muzer | wols: I don't think so, I'm not even sure if the initrd part is actually working :p |
| 21:12.09 | wols | if you can, you might be able to mount a debian arm cd and install frm there |
| 21:12.22 | Muzer | The kernel has just paniced on me |
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| 21:12.48 | Muzer | hmm |
| 21:13.05 | yagoo | Muzer, if you want to be fancy, you can try diskbooting a minimal etherboot but i don't know if you have a network card |
| 21:13.16 | Muzer | wols: So you're saying I can't boot from the partially installed set of files made with debootstrap, I have to boot from a Debian Arm install CD? |
| 21:13.19 | Muzer | I have a network card |
| 21:13.27 | Muzer | It might be supported :p |
| 21:13.49 | Muzer | don't know what drivers Etch comes with in the way of RiscPC |
| 21:13.58 | yagoo | Muzer, maybe someone has made a guide for this for that acorn machine |
| 21:14.10 | Muzer | yagoo: There is one, for Debian Woody :p |
| 21:14.28 | Muzer | I tried to follow that one, but the kernel failed miserably |
| 21:14.32 | babilen | well - woody is a bit old :-) |
| 21:14.36 | Muzer | yeah |
| 21:14.39 | Muzer | so I decided to try Etch |
| 21:14.47 | babilen | lenny is stable these days |
| 21:14.48 | Muzer | since I noticed there is a RiscPC-specific kernel for Etch |
| 21:14.51 | Muzer | so there must be SOME support |
| 21:14.56 | Muzer | there is no RiscPC kernel for Etch though |
| 21:14.59 | Muzer | oops |
| 21:15.01 | Muzer | there is no RiscPC kernel for Lenny though |
| 21:15.34 | wols | Muzer: no I didn't say that |
| 21:15.46 | Muzer | oh |
| 21:16.04 | Muzer | I have to mount an install CD - I see |
| 21:16.07 | Muzer | well, I can try over network |
| 21:16.14 | wols | but for debootstrap to work you need a unixish OS to start. one that can run debootstrap |
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| 21:16.35 | Muzer | wols: But does it have to be the same arch? |
| 21:16.48 | wols | you don't have to mount one. you could use an arm emulator to build a disk image and put it on the riscpc's harddisk |
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| 21:17.01 | wols | afaik it doesn't have to be the same arch |
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| 21:17.35 | wols | Muzer: http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap |
| 21:17.42 | Muzer | so I could just use debootstrap on this PC I'm typing on now (which runs Linux), copy the resulting lot of files it gives me to the root of the RiscPC's hard drive, and run> |
| 21:17.45 | Muzer | OK, I'll read that, thanks |
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| 21:18.21 | wols | Muzer: no you can not |
| 21:18.30 | babilen | Muzer: You might want to ask in #debian-arm over at irc.oftc.net as well |
| 21:18.41 | wols | you create a (possibly virtual) filesystem and then copy or dd over that to the riscpc disk |
| 21:18.43 | Muzer | babilen: Ah, thanks |
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| 21:19.56 | wols | Muzer: remember, "everything is a file", even disks or partitions are files |
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| 21:20.34 | Muzer | wols: On the page you linked, you can use debootstrap to make a filesystem, then run a kernel with the NFS root set to the place where it was generated |
| 21:20.45 | Muzer | why can't you just skip the NFS step and copy the filesystem to the RiscPC's hard drive? |
| 21:20.51 | Muzer | that sounds like it's possible to me |
| 21:21.00 | wols | no reason why you can't |
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| 21:21.09 | Muzer | I'll give that a try then |
| 21:21.12 | Muzer | doesn't need an emulator |
| 21:21.12 | wols | and I said by now, several times, to do this |
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| 21:21.49 | Muzer | wols: Yes, but your instructions involved an emulator |
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| 21:22.14 | eptalon | hello all. |
| 21:22.29 | wols | no they didn't. I said it'd be one way to do it. not an exclusive way |
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| 21:22.38 | Muzer | ah, OK |
| 21:22.45 | eptalon | I am experiencing a high level of IOWAIT when writing to an usb drive; in debian sid. |
| 21:22.56 | Muzer | well, I've found a way now, so I'll give it a try |
| 21:22.58 | eptalon | wonder whether thats normal. |
| 21:23.26 | wols | Muzer: anything special you want to do with this machine? |
| 21:23.34 | wols | the uses will be pretty limited I guess |
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| 21:24.46 | thenthenio | I need to setup a printer server for Windoz, the PC is an old Pentium with 128MB of RAM and 4GB of HD, NIC is an old 3COM EtherlinkIII (3c509), do you think Debian would fit on that system? What options are available/would you suggest? |
| 21:24.47 | Muzer | wols: Not really; just see it run |
| 21:24.59 | Muzer | I'll probably think os something though |
| 21:25.00 | babilen | anybody know where I can find information on how to write the LSB headers needed for init scripts with dependency based boot? |
| 21:25.13 | smacnay | thenthenio, CUPS |
| 21:25.23 | bridgeguy1 | Hey, I wanted to ask a quick routing question if possible, I have three machines: router, machine1, machine2. The router has four interfaces: eth0 (to machine1), eth1 (to machine2), eth2 (to the internet), br0 (bridges eth0 and eth1). The router runs a dhcp server attached to br0 to supply IPs to machine1 and machine2. |
| 21:25.28 | eptalon | thenthenio: 128mb ram is a bit limited, for current system. |
| 21:25.32 | wols | thenthenio: what windows versions for clients? |
| 21:25.33 | thenthenio | Yes SAMBA and CUPS... |
| 21:25.38 | bridgeguy1 | The problem is that both machines have IPs but I cannot ping them (Host unreachable) |
| 21:25.39 | wols | eptalon: no it's not. |
| 21:25.55 | thenthenio | wols: Mainly XP |
| 21:26.04 | eptalon | wols: debian on 128mb ram? |
| 21:26.11 | wols | bridgeguy1: the briding thing on the router is for what? |
| 21:26.16 | wols | eptalon: easily |
| 21:26.27 | eptalon | thenthenio: cups/samba combo probably. |
| 21:26.37 | Muzer | There's a point, never though to ask - will Etch actually run in 52MB RAM? |
| 21:27.03 | yagoo | Muzer, i have etch on nslu2 |
| 21:27.04 | wols | Muzer: yes. |
| 21:27.17 | Muzer | great, it's good to see a non-bloated distro :p |
| 21:27.20 | wols | eptalon: cups only. XP speaks IPP |
| 21:27.21 | yagoo | and that's 8mb on that armport |
| 21:27.32 | Muzer | although everything gets bloated - Lenny runs much worse on the Wii than Etch did |
| 21:27.33 | thenthenio | eptalon: I saw 64MB should be enough with 300MB HD... |
| 21:27.41 | wols | Muzer: X and firefox will be tricky however. |
| 21:27.48 | eptalon | thenthenio: hdd will maimnly be for spooling. |
| 21:27.59 | thenthenio | Yeah |
| 21:27.59 | Muzer | I'm not planning on using Firefox :p |
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| 21:28.02 | wols | bridgeguy1: don't message people privately |
| 21:28.09 | Muzer | I hate that browser, I seem to be the only one though |
| 21:28.15 | KavanS | wols: ? |
| 21:28.35 | eptalon | thenthenio: I do have a printer with like 20MB ram. Awfully slow, but prints things eventually. |
| 21:28.36 | wols | KavanS: ye`s? |
| 21:28.47 | wols | Muzer: there are tons of others |
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| 21:29.07 | KavanS | wols: n/m...just figured I'd ask about pm policy, but most likely I'll run into some combative situation |
| 21:29.09 | yagoo | eptalon, 20 mb is alot of ram for a printer.. u beat me by 2 megs :).. |
| 21:29.14 | eptalon | Muzer: there's one default with gnome, one default with kde; both not ff. |
| 21:29.27 | wols | bridgeguy1: a router with linux has ip forwarding on, which mean it will act as a switch automatically |
| 21:29.29 | HTT-Bird | yeah, if you want a small browser though, hard to beat links :) |
| 21:29.31 | thenthenio | Is it ok to start from a floppy netinst? |
| 21:29.37 | Muzer | I know there are tonnes of others, otherwise I probably wouldn't hate firefox :p |
| 21:30.01 | eptalon | yagoo: the thing is probably ten years old, does postscript, and can take minutes per page, for more complex ps pages. |
| 21:30.04 | babilen | recommends w3m |
| 21:30.06 | bridgeguy1 | wols: it's not a router per se, I want it to be a router at some point after configuration |
| 21:30.06 | wols | Muzer: but you can't really run any of them. both gnome and kde are too heave for 52MB |
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| 21:30.08 | sutem | hi |
| 21:30.15 | sutem | i installed an oidentd |
| 21:30.18 | wols | bridgeguy1: instal ipmasq and it is a router |
| 21:30.24 | sutem | but i think the port doesnt get forwarded |
| 21:30.26 | Muzer | wols: Yeah, I know that from my experiences with the Wii |
| 21:30.45 | Muzer | 72MB RAM (used to be 66MB before the custom bootloader) |
| 21:30.49 | eptalon | yagoo: that doesn't matter too much though, printing speed is not an issue. |
| 21:31.10 | Muzer | hmm, I hope it's working properly |
| 21:31.20 | eptalon | yagoo: however, I don't do much client-side spooling. |
| 21:31.24 | Muzer | I told it to get oldstable with this command: sudo cdebootstrap --arch=arm oldstable oldstable-arm-chroot http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/# |
| 21:31.30 | Muzer | oops |
| 21:31.32 | Muzer | ignore the hash |
| 21:31.45 | Muzer | but near the top of the output there is: I: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" |
| 21:32.53 | bridgeguy1 | wols: ipmasq is a bit overkill, the two machines don't actually need to get to the internet, I just want both of them to be accessible to each other. The only reason that the bridge/router has an interface to the net is so I can remotely configure it |
| 21:34.22 | yagoo | wonders why printers has so much ram-- his 8 year old printer has 18mb and is pretty fast indeed :) |
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| 21:34.33 | bridgeguy1 | wols: The internal network I've assigned to the bridge interface for this is 192.168.0.0 with subnet 255.255.255.0. The bridge has x.x.0.1, and the machines receive the addresses x.x.0.2 from the dhcp server. |
| 21:34.35 | yagoo | likes his brotherhl1440 laser printer |
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| 21:35.09 | bridgeguy1 | It's a pretty basic setup, but somehow the a ping from the bridge does not get to the machines |
| 21:35.09 | eptalon | yagoo: its a hp, with postscript, and duplex option. |
| 21:35.10 | HTT-Bird | yagoo, feed it a really complex piece of PS and you'll see why printers need all the RAM they can get |
| 21:35.18 | Muzer | yeah, it's right, I found that out from wireshark :p |
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| 21:35.35 | Muzer | it's odd it's using the Lenny signature though |
| 21:35.52 | eptalon | yagoo: And believe it or not, its faster in postscript, than with PCL. |
| 21:36.28 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: I have seen in the order of 5-10 mins, for like one page. |
| 21:36.49 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, trust me, I've seen printers bog down like that b4 |
| 21:37.11 | wols | bridgeguy1: put both machines on different subnets, set the gateway to the router and enable ip_forward on the router. instant switch |
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| 21:37.26 | yagoo | eptalon, maybe your setup is not considering the printer's installed ram |
| 21:37.40 | wols | bridgeguy1: cause a bridge is not really the proper way to do it |
| 21:37.54 | eptalon | yagoo: I don't spool, I simply feed to the printer. |
| 21:38.10 | yagoo | lol.. ok.. |
| 21:38.21 | eptalon | yagoo: And note, we are not talking normal business correspondence printouts there. |
| 21:38.25 | yagoo | spoolio talk creeps him out |
| 21:39.02 | eptalon | yagoo: Ever printed something with an "old font", aka, Schwabacher or something? |
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| 21:39.23 | yagoo | hides |
| 21:39.30 | Muzer | what are the bare minimum device nodes I would need so I can get into a system and install udev? |
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| 21:39.37 | yagoo | eptalon, please don't hurt me :} |
| 21:39.43 | HTT-Bird | ok, where is the documentation for iceowl? :( |
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| 21:40.11 | wols | Muzer: harddisk and a tty I guess |
| 21:40.16 | eptalon | If those documents aren't done "well", you basically print "raster images", in the order of several tens to several hundred mb per page. |
| 21:40.33 | wols | HTT-Bird: /usr/share/docs |
| 21:40.37 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, yeah...ever sent actual 300dpi raster images about? |
| 21:40.47 | HTT-Bird | wols, I mean, Help->Contents is grayed out :( |
| 21:40.50 | HTT-Bird | how do I fix that? |
| 21:41.03 | wols | HTT-Bird: check if there is a -doc package for it |
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| 21:41.08 | HTT-Bird | wols, no such package |
| 21:41.09 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: not knowingly, but yes, i have seen print jobs in the order of like 100 mb. |
| 21:41.10 | HTT-Bird | already looked |
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| 21:41.43 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, I want to see an ANSI E-sized 16bits/channel/pixel image flying at your average color printer :p |
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| 21:42.00 | linuxguy2009 | Ok I just read a long paper about fstab editing. I think I understand it just fine, its pretty easy once you know what all the little options mean. So lets say I make a new partition for home. Move my files. No idea what the dev name will be for my new home part will be so Ill call it /dev/sda2. My fstab entry might be "/dev/sda2 /home auto,user,rw,sync,exec". That look about right? |
| 21:42.09 | HTT-Bird | thinks that would be a >1GB print job |
| 21:42.28 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: What is ANSI E? |
| 21:42.28 | wols | linuxguy2009: no |
| 21:42.30 | HTT-Bird | linuxguy2009, sounds right, although I'd nosuid |
| 21:42.34 | HTT-Bird | wait... |
| 21:43.04 | wols | linuxguy2009: you forgot the dump and pass fields |
| 21:43.04 | HTT-Bird | yeah, you're missing a few bits, you need the type (ext3, ext4, w/e), then the options, then the dump and pass counts |
| 21:43.11 | HTT-Bird | wols, he's missing type too |
| 21:43.16 | wols | not to mention filesystem type |
| 21:43.21 | wols | HTT-Bird: yes |
| 21:43.31 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, really really big paper |
| 21:43.36 | wols | HTT-Bird: options he has plenty :P |
| 21:43.43 | HTT-Bird | letter is ansi-a |
| 21:43.46 | HTT-Bird | 11x17 is ansi-b |
| 21:43.47 | linuxguy2009 | Oh yeah your right. I would end it with 0 and whatever the next number is for fschk check. Right? |
| 21:43.56 | wols | HTT-Bird: what's that in non sissy units? you know, metric? |
| 21:43.57 | HTT-Bird | linuxguy2009, yeah, that sounds about right :) |
| 21:44.15 | HTT-Bird | I'm thinking like an ISO A0 |
| 21:44.20 | HTT-Bird | if that rings a bell |
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| 21:44.22 | wols | linuxguy2009: and really really don't forget the fs type |
| 21:44.31 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: I was talking about B/W (greyscale), on A4. |
| 21:44.35 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, lol |
| 21:44.40 | HTT-Bird | yeah, 300dpi gets big fast |
| 21:44.52 | wols | HTT-Bird: yes. I had friends who did that kinda stuff when 486-50 was the weapon of choice for PS :P |
| 21:44.53 | linuxguy2009 | Yep I forgot that too. hehe set type to ext3. |
| 21:44.55 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: A0 is 1 sq. meter. |
| 21:45.00 | HTT-Bird | it just gets worse with todays 1200x1200 (or more) printers |
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| 21:45.07 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, yeah, that sounds about right :) |
| 21:45.16 | HTT-Bird | pretty big paper no matter how you slice it |
| 21:45.26 | HTT-Bird | so 1 m^2 at 1200x1200 :P |
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| 21:45.42 | linuxguy2009 | You guys are awesome! I feel like I just learned something big in linux. |
| 21:45.51 | HTT-Bird | linuxguy2009, ty :) |
| 21:45.58 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: I suppose those kinds of printers have raster image processors. |
| 21:46.10 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, yeah, they would definitely have to have something beefy under the hood |
| 21:46.16 | eptalon | As in one box printer, other box RIP |
| 21:46.34 | HTT-Bird | yeah, and you'd have like a server-class CPU in the RIP :o |
| 21:46.43 | linuxguy2009 | Ok Im off to attempt this. Here I go... |
| 21:46.45 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: Intel Atom? |
| 21:46.47 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, some inkjets are capable of eating paper that big |
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| 21:46.52 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, lol, no, Xeon :D |
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| 21:47.11 | HTT-Bird | if I was looking at high-performance/low power, I wouldn't go with an Atom anyhow |
| 21:47.28 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: Doesn't really change much, if it's color inkjet, laser, or something else. |
| 21:47.30 | HTT-Bird | wols, so, where's the missing help? |
| 21:47.35 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, true :) |
| 21:47.52 | wols | HTT-Bird: how would I know. does the mozilla project itself have it? |
| 21:47.56 | Muzer | actually, I could just use the /dev structure of the failed installation |
| 21:48.01 | HTT-Bird | wols, there's this calendar-help addon |
| 21:48.04 | wols | all I could see on pdo was i10n packages |
| 21:48.10 | HTT-Bird | but it doesn't work with the version in the repos |
| 21:48.15 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: Was looking at atoms the other day, but the low-end "intels" look like the better deal. |
| 21:48.34 | HTT-Bird | heh |
| 21:48.42 | HTT-Bird | I'd take a Snapdragon if I wanted high perf/low power |
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| 21:49.02 | HTT-Bird | the ARM is far more efficient of a core than anything Intel's whipped up, sparing only perhaps i960 |
| 21:49.39 | HTT-Bird | actually, yeah, modern ARMs could beat an i960 in clock efficiency |
| 21:49.43 | HTT-Bird | due to Thumb-2 |
| 21:49.51 | eptalon | HTT-Bird: Which was a specialized thing I think for gfx |
| 21:49.59 | linuxguy2009 | I forgot to ask isnt the only options for dump 1and0 for on and off of the dump backup feature? What exactly happens if I enable that on a filesystem, does it create a dd backup or something? |
| 21:50.19 | yagoo | HTT-Bird, hahahaha you don't even know intel makes ARM processors |
| 21:50.25 | wols | linuxguy2009: does nothing in day to day work |
| 21:50.33 | linuxguy2009 | ok thank you |
| 21:50.34 | HTT-Bird | yagoo, they do :) |
| 21:50.36 | wols | yagoo: they don't |
| 21:50.36 | HTT-Bird | older stuff |
| 21:50.42 | HTT-Bird | StrongARM and XScale |
| 21:50.44 | wols | HTT-Bird: not for a long time now |
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| 21:50.55 | wols | all spun off to marvell |
| 21:50.59 | yagoo | gosh.. you guys are such children |
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| 21:51.04 | HTT-Bird | ah, that's where they went :) |
| 21:51.08 | HTT-Bird | I was wondering :p |
| 21:51.36 | HTT-Bird | wols, thx |
| 21:51.49 | HTT-Bird | eptalon, nope, the Snapdragon's a full blown AP |
| 21:52.30 | HTT-Bird | core's similar to the Cortex-A8 |
| 21:53.05 | HTT-Bird | wols, well, there is no documentation in /usr/share/doc/iceowl, just copyrights and a changelog |
| 21:53.19 | HTT-Bird | calendar-help doesn't work with Sunbird/Iceowl newer than 0.3 |
| 21:53.20 | eptalon | Anyway, its sleeping time for me. |
| 21:53.26 | HTT-Bird | o/ eptalon |
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| 21:55.14 | eptalon | anyway, I am off |
| 21:55.34 | ePax | Is there any good howtos on making ssh chrooted? or some kind of secure shell? on lenny? |
| 21:55.46 | wols | HTT-Bird: then I guess thre is no docs. maybe check bugs.debian.org and if tehre isn't one about that, file one |
| 21:56.17 | HTT-Bird | yeah, looked at bdo, haven't seen any bugs about "this pkg is missing docs" |
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| 21:57.10 | wols | shows how many people want a f1 menu :P |
| 21:57.53 | HTT-Bird | wols, yeah, not many people seem to be in need of a helpfile for a calendaring program |
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| 22:03.46 | thenthenio | Does tasksel run automatically after installing a base system or do I have to run it manually? |
| 22:04.30 | thenthenio | Is it possible to run tasksel after the first reboot or only during installation? |
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| 22:08.38 | jelly-home | judd: versions tasksel |
| 22:08.40 | judd | tasksel -- etch: 2.66; lenny: 2.78; sid: 2.81; squeeze: 2.81 |
| 22:08.53 | jelly-home | thenthenio: you can install and use it afterwards |
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| 22:10.03 | thenthenio | jelly-home: Good! I saw it should have a printer server selection which is exactly what I need! |
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| 22:12.00 | jelly-home | !printer |
| 22:12.00 | dpkg | A printer is an output device to physical objects. Ask me about <cups-setup>, <cups>, <printconf> or use foomatic-gui for more information on how you can get your printer working under Debian. |
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| 22:16.26 | nooper | !goatse |
| 22:16.26 | dpkg | [goatse] really disgusting, or in ascii-art: (_@_), or (E@3), or goatse.cx is down :(, or given its own gallery at http://sam.zoy.org/fun/goatse/, or http://goat.cx |
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| 22:25.41 | izzyb | Is there a way to install a threads free version of perl in lenny using apt-get? |
| 22:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
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| 22:27.05 | abrotman | threads are bad! |
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| 22:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't tread on my threads, I will threaden you |
| 22:27.40 | Acony | hello good people I need some help, from you in order to configure eth0 and wlan0 |
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| 22:27.55 | Acony | currently I am connecting to internet on retarded way |
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| 22:28.07 | izzyb | well, I wont argue that point. I'm just looking for a solution to a problem involving perl threads and a script I'm using |
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| 22:28.17 | Acony | I must to type dhclient in order to get ip from my rooter via eth0 |
| 22:28.24 | SiRuX2 | Anyone remember this PC game as a game? It was an interactive pc game for kids.. You were in a town with a car and you had to get out of town.. a part I remember was driving over nails and I had to go back into the town.... Anyone have any idea of what game this was? |
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| 22:29.00 | abrotman | SiRuX2: try #defocus |
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| 22:29.16 | abrotman | Acony: what is in your interfaces file ? |
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| 22:29.57 | Acony | abrotman, where is that file, since locate is giving me to many results :D |
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| 22:30.07 | Acony | I found it |
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| 22:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, and there you found the answer to all your questions... "man interfaces" :) |
| 22:30.37 | Acony | auto lo |
| 22:30.37 | Acony | iface lo inet loopback |
| 22:30.51 | Acony | and I added this previously iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 22:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need |
| 22:31.32 | hayleyw | did you add auto eth0 too? |
| 22:31.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | an auto and/or allow-hotplug stanza for the interfaces you want to be brought up at boot // when they become available |
| 22:32.09 | abrotman | Acony: did you an an 'auto eth0' ? |
| 22:32.20 | abrotman | repeats .. for safety sake |
| 22:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and did I mention "man interfaces" which explains it all? |
| 22:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit perhaps only moderately well |
| 22:33.33 | Acony | abrotman, with gedit :P |
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| 22:34.35 | Acony | hm, CutMeOwnThroat ok I will reed the manual but I am not familiar with network setup |
| 22:34.52 | Acony | I think this should work by default :P |
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| 22:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder how much diskspace the maximum possible install you can do with packages from main/non-free/contrib/multimedia needs |
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| 22:35.25 | rpgdude | hey everyone, i am having an issue playing an mkv in totem |
| 22:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, probably depends on what you told the installer in the 1st place |
| 22:35.59 | rpgdude | i dont get any errors, but there is no video or sound |
| 22:36.17 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, I din't tell him nothing, since I didn't have a net at installing time :D |
| 22:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, see... there's your reason why the installer didn't set anything up |
| 22:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, mkv |
| 22:37.06 | maligor | rpgdude, you probably want debian multimedia, standard packages don't include codecs with patent issues |
| 22:37.19 | maligor | which is what mkv probably contains |
| 22:37.19 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, yeap but I want to set it up now, and I found a dumb way to start eth0 manually by typing dhclient |
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| 22:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, and abrotman and I told you what you need to add to interfaces |
| 22:38.44 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, hm, will analyze that, are u able to share with me your file on pastie.org |
| 22:38.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | auto eth0 and/or allow-hotplug eth0 - same for wlan0 |
| 22:38.46 | Acony | ? |
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| 22:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't want my setup |
| 22:39.44 | Acony | ok, will do that get u |
| 22:39.48 | rpgdude | maligor: i am using debian multimedia |
| 22:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpgdude, install w32codecs... also, try mplayer instead of totem... |
| 22:40.16 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, one more question, what is the shortcut on keybord to exit this manual for interfaces |
| 22:40.17 | Acony | ? |
| 22:40.17 | Acony | :D |
| 22:40.19 | rpgdude | i installed w32codecs |
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| 22:40.22 | rpgdude | mplayer works |
| 22:40.25 | maligor | uhhuh.. does anyone even use w32codecs anymore |
| 22:40.29 | hayleyw | Acony, http://dpaste.org/JBVO/ |
| 22:40.33 | aptiDude_ | hello all |
| 22:40.45 | rpgdude | problem with mplayer is the video gets out of sync pretty quickly |
| 22:40.53 | Acony | hayleyw, thanks |
| 22:40.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, 'q'? (it's really calling what you have in $PAGER, by default it's "less" - search with "/" ... or... man less) |
| 22:41.20 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, yeap, I was trying with ctrl+q NOOB :D |
| 22:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpgdude, with audio? |
| 22:41.27 | Acony | nope, it's not q |
| 22:41.35 | Acony | lol, q will exit the terminal |
| 22:41.36 | aptiDude_ | i've got some kernel issues after upgrading from lenny to squeeze, won't boot. how can I upgrade/repair kernel at this point? |
| 22:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | 't is! |
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| 22:42.29 | Acony | I just need to get back to terminal but to close the output of script |
| 22:42.30 | Acony | lol, my bad |
| 22:42.30 | Acony | :D |
| 22:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, actually... ctrl-s will pause input to your terminal, ctrl-q resumes it |
| 22:42.35 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, thans a lot |
| 22:43.19 | causa-prima | hey.. strange thing: aplay -D iec958:CARD=Juli,DEV=0 is working, aplay -D hw:1,1 is not, saying that the sample format is unsupported. but hw:1,1 should be the same device! could somene help me find out what's wrong or find out the right hw:x,y-thing? i've tested 0,0 0,1 1,0 and 1,1 (0,x is the onboard soundchip which does what it should, 1,x is my new ESI juli@) (what i want to achieve is mplayer ac passthrough. as i said it |
| 22:43.21 | causa-prima | works with aplay -D iec958:CARD=Juli,DEV=0 but mplayer needs hw:x.y - but i can't get aplay to play via hw:x,y on the juli@ and i don't know why |
| 22:43.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpgdude, if you're talking about audio/video sync... problems with that haven't happened to me in a long time, but there's an -autosync option in mplayer... normally something like -autosync 1000 fixes those |
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| 22:43.29 | rpgdude | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 22:43.41 | rpgdude | ok i will try it out tonight |
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| 22:45.54 | slackerr | hi all! anybody had experience of install newer, freshen version on lenny with no conflict with stable version? |
| 22:46.07 | slackerr | *version of PHP |
| 22:46.29 | abrotman | from soruce? |
| 22:46.38 | slackerr | yes |
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| 22:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, doesn't dmesg tell you what it is when the kernel module is loaded? Or what about /proc/asound/oss/sndstat |
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| 22:47.04 | abrotman | slackerr: i'm sure someone has |
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| 22:47.51 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: /proc/asound/oss/sndstat: command not found |
| 22:47.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, it's not a command! |
| 22:47.59 | abrotman | cat ? |
| 22:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dog |
| 22:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, is that some association game? |
| 22:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sulking |
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| 22:50.07 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: http://nopaste.info/d709b790a9.html |
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| 22:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess that confirms that the juli is card '1'? |
| 22:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | /proc/asound/card1/id should say "juli" or so |
| 22:55.09 | aptiDude_ | i cannot boot after a lenny/squeeze update. how can i fix my kernel? |
| 22:55.25 | causa-prima | yes, right, it say's "juli" |
| 22:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | /proc/asound/card1 all belong to that card... dunno if any of them say which device.. |
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| 22:56.34 | causa-prima | what? |
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| 22:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you want to try things like -ao alsa:nw=1.x with different x... don't see why 1.0 or 1.1 shouldn't work |
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| 22:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... didn't you use commas ?! |
| 22:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's probably it |
| 22:57.38 | causa-prima | no, i use ".", not commas |
| 22:58.11 | causa-prima | erm.. in mplayer i used the dot, in aplay the comma |
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| 22:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptiDude_, boot into it with a rescue disk, fix the boot loader... you normally give something like root=/dev/sda1 as an option (wherever your / partition is instead of sda1) |
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| 23:01.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's an entry "subdevice" in /proc/asound/card*/pcm*/info ... that should be the device |
| 23:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rescue mode |
| 23:03.04 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. Etch users: Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
| 23:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptiDude_, ^^^ |
| 23:03.20 | causa-prima | card 1 device 1 subdevice 0 |
| 23:03.40 | causa-prima | but that would be hw:1.1, which i tried as "not working" |
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| 23:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 23:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hw=1.1 |
| 23:04.04 | causa-prima | the only thing working up to now was aplay -D iec958:CARD=Juli,DEV=0 |
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| 23:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=0.3 #Sets noblock-mode and the device-name as first card, fourth device. |
| 23:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the example from the manpage |
| 23:04.40 | aptiDude_ | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 23:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
| 23:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't say anywhere you should say hw:0.0 on the mplayer manpage |
| 23:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually that CANT be understood, because : seem to devide different stanzas within -ao, while all the hw stuff belongs to "device" |
| 23:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Sets the device name. Replace any ',' with '.' and any ':' with '=' in the ALSA device name." |
| 23:07.00 | causa-prima | i've just tried mplayer -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=1.1 -afm hwac3 <file with ac3> |
| 23:07.13 | causa-prima | so what should my command be? |
| 23:08.18 | Arrowmaster | mplayer is strange, i had to force it to use my default device instead of it just reading from .asoundrc |
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| 23:14.46 | causa-prima | it's just stupid. i know there ist on hw:0.0, hw:0.1, hw:1.0 and hw:1.1, but none of those works, neither in aplay, nor in mplayer. but aply with iec958:CARD=Juli,DEV=0 works.. it just makes no sense! |
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| 23:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, try a wav or so without the hwac3 stuff |
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| 23:20.39 | alex87 | hey guys, can i scan for all ssh servers on my local network? |
| 23:21.29 | zleap | i would guess you need to scan for open ports |
| 23:21.31 | zleap | not sure |
| 23:21.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course.. |
| 23:21.40 | xyan | causa-prima: my juli@ works with mplayer, it doesnt use s16le but s32le format, so add to your commandline -format s32le |
| 23:21.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | alex87: yes you can. (if your question is what to use, look at nmap) |
| 23:21.54 | SPF | alex87: you could write a script to telnet to every ip on port 22 |
| 23:21.56 | alex87 | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks, just reading up on it now |
| 23:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and then you can get whacked on the fingers by your admin for it |
| 23:22.00 | xyan | causa-prima: if you want ac3 then -rawaudio format=0x2000 -demuxer rawaudio |
| 23:22.06 | xyan | causa-prima: rtfm ;-) |
| 23:22.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | ssh has a tool to scan for hosts on the network too, but i forget what it is |
| 23:23.13 | RichiH | ssh-keyscan iirc |
| 23:23.22 | causa-prima | xyan: unknown format name: '-rawaudio' |
| 23:23.36 | causa-prima | xyan: my command: mplayer -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=1.1 -ac hwac3 -format -rawaudio format=0x2000 -demuxer rawaudio s32le /home/causa-prima/downloads/SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav/SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav |
| 23:23.57 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: http://nopaste.info/e6982edf8c.html |
| 23:24.00 | SPF | Kamping_Kaiser: scanssh - get SSH server versions for an entire network? |
| 23:24.02 | xyan | mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1.1 -format s32le -rawaudio format=0x2000 -demuxer rawaudio <ac3file> |
| 23:24.10 | SPF | alex87: scanssh |
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| 23:24.21 | alex87 | SPF, cheers |
| 23:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, without the -ac hwac3 stuff |
| 23:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, this says "no codec" |
| 23:25.13 | causa-prima | xyan: a52: error at resampling |
| 23:25.45 | xyan | causa-prima: then -af resample=48000:0:0 |
| 23:26.47 | causa-prima | mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=1.1 -format s32le -rawaudio format=0x2000 -demuxer rawaudio -af resample=48000:0:0 /home/causa-prima/downloads/SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav/SURROUNDTEST_DD_640.wav but still the same problem |
| 23:26.58 | causa-prima | a52: error at resampling |
| 23:27.10 | xyan | get another demo file try this http://www.kellyindustries.com/downloads/ac3_the_other_side_48khz.zip |
| 23:27.57 | causa-prima | ok, i'll try this. |
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| 23:35.23 | causa-prima | xyan: file works, but that's no DD ort DTS |
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| 23:36.38 | causa-prima | xyan: and also it's just stereo |
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| 23:42.27 | causa-prima | xyan? |
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| 23:43.41 | Bird|lab | does someone have any idea why the ISC dhclient from Debian Squeeze would be utterly unable to connect to a (presumably Cisco, from the information I was able to glean) DHCP server? |
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| 23:44.24 | Bird|lab | it sends out DHCPDISCOVERs just fine |
| 23:44.34 | Bird|lab | but the DHCP server doesn't reply with DHCPOFFERs |
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| 23:45.06 | Bird|lab | I can see other folks' DHCP transactions in Wireshark though...also, it works with some DHCP servers but not all |
| 23:45.32 | zobel | Bird|lab: connected to a cisco switch who is doing stp foo? |
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| 23:47.59 | Bird|lab | zobel: well, the other box I saw transactions to/from (a laptop used for this test) was on the same AP as the troubled machine |
| 23:48.02 | Bird|lab | this is all WLAN |
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| 23:48.21 | zobel | Bird|lab: it was just a guess |
| 23:48.27 | Bird|lab | APs are Foundry, although if I had to hazard a guess, the router doing the DHCP dirty work is a Cisco...there's an off chance the router's a Foundry though |
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| 23:50.58 | Delf | Do we have a ftp server that we can install and instantly access the host through it without having to do any configging and starting? |
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| 23:51.42 | SPF | Delf: if you install vsftpd you have anonymous read-only access |
| 23:51.59 | Delf | No, I don't want anonymous read-only access |
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| 23:52.06 | Delf | I want to use it with the root account |
| 23:52.58 | Delf | No such thing? |
| 23:54.35 | Delf | i've tried pureftpd |
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| 23:55.07 | SPF | you always need some configuration |
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| 23:55.24 | zobel | doesn't wuftpd give you root access? :))) |
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| 23:55.31 | Delf | haven't tried |
| 23:55.56 | zobel | well. wuftpd was long time THE ftpd with root expoits. |
| 23:56.10 | Delf | but don't i need to set it up? |
| 23:57.01 | zobel | you dont get the joke, don't you? |
| 23:57.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does it really matter the order of partitions when creating a separate home partition? root,home,swap or root,swap,home etc? |
| 23:57.24 | Delf | no |
| 23:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | aaaaaaaaaahh |
| 23:58.42 | zobel | Delf: doesn't wuftpd give you root access? :))) wuftpd was long time THE ftpd with root expoits. |
| 23:58.48 | Delf | it set up a ftp server however the root user doesn't work |
| 23:58.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | cool |
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| 23:58.58 | petemc | Delf: any ftp server that shipped with such a default configuration would be considered broken |
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| 23:59.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think... yhbt |
| 23:59.05 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Watch those sharp edges there... |
| 23:59.06 | Delf | why the hell? |
| 23:59.11 | dkr | in the new version of nautilus, what are the emblems on the folder icons that look like some kind of volume knob? (it's not actually in the list of emblems) I thought maybe it is to indicate there is multimedia content in the dir but it only has it for some dirs with videos, not all |
| 23:59.29 | micket | So. i just barely got through a netinstall (sid). At the point of installing grub it fails. LILO claims to succeed (but it can't mount the root filesystem afterwards). Grub and Grub2 installs fine, until it wants to install on MBR, which fails. After a few tries i skipped without finishing bootloader. |
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