| 00:00.21 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: What are you actually trying to accomplish? This isn't a public server, is it? |
| 00:00.36 | Delf | No it's not, a server on my lan |
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| 00:01.07 | Delf | just trying to access my debian console server using ftp protocol to upload configuration files |
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| 00:01.18 | micket | Now, grub (1) menu does appear, nothing happens when i choose the default option, rescue mode lists a whole bunch of usb-stuff and whatnot, but stops when it starts waiting for root file system. |
| 00:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Delf, why don't you use scp/sftp? |
| 00:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no configuration at all! |
| 00:01.56 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Have a look at ssh/scp and rsync. |
| 00:02.02 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: There's also sshfs. |
| 00:02.28 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: FTP is really the wrong way to go about that. |
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| 00:02.51 | micket | Hmm, found something interesting, gotta try that |
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| 00:03.51 | Delf | the files I want to upload are on a win machine |
| 00:04.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the standard for swap partition size? Minimum of physical ram size, etc? |
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| 00:05.00 | simonrvn | Delf: and so? |
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| 00:05.22 | Delf | never mind |
| 00:05.26 | Delf | installing winSCP to try out sftp |
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| 00:05.34 | simonrvn | putty's scp/sftp thingy ... |
| 00:05.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | So like I have 2GB ram, so no lower than 2gb swap? |
| 00:05.43 | Arrowmaster | putty + filezilla |
| 00:05.47 | micket | LinuxGuy2009: Whenever something starts using swap, that usually means something is misbehaving for me (or everything turns so slow i can't do anything), so i always use 0B nowdays. |
| 00:06.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | But then hibernate wont work then right? |
| 00:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | LinuxGuy2009, used to be 2X RAM... with as much ram as people have today, though... sometimes you don't need any (but with the disksizes today, doesn't hurt any either) |
| 00:06.48 | simonrvn | using no swap is alomst as bad as always swapping. the kernel expects some swap, even if it's like a really low size. |
| 00:06.48 | causa-prima | xyan: GOT IT WORKING! but just with my DD test wav-file (dts doesn't work, but that's no big deal as i usally don't have DTS-movies) |
| 00:06.55 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: Remember that text files on a Windows machine are not going to have proper end-of-line characters for Linux. |
| 00:07.00 | Arrowmaster | swap is used by hibernate and tmpfs |
| 00:07.17 | jhutchins_lt | Delf: That is one nice thing about FTP, in text mode it will fix that, but there are easy ways to handle it. |
| 00:07.31 | Delf | hm.. |
| 00:07.44 | simonrvn | it's called emacs :P |
| 00:07.49 | causa-prima | xyan: i got rid of the resampling-stuff, just using -format s32le, it's working with the test-wav. but not with the test-avi ?! |
| 00:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, do you remember the old times... "bin" |
| 00:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, now you know it's not your hw= expression |
| 00:08.24 | Delf | do I need to install anything on the debian host for sftp? |
| 00:08.42 | simonrvn | if openssh-server is, sftp is |
| 00:08.45 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but now it's another problem ;) |
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| 00:08.59 | jhutchins_lt | LinuxGuy2009: My swap rule is 2x RAM up to 2G. Trying to swap more than about 2G of RAM is going to be a problem. |
| 00:09.10 | causa-prima | but thanks up to that point. if someone's got a soluution i'd be very gratful :D |
| 00:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, see the tremendous progress you're making? |
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| 00:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, he's gorn |
| 00:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Argh. Tab completion strikes again! |
| 00:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | in deed |
| 00:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | he timed that neatly |
| 00:10.07 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it only took me 2 days to get the spdif-out working an one more to get ac3-passthrough via aplay :D |
| 00:10.32 | jhutchins_lt | causa-prima: Did you write up the spdif procedure? |
| 00:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, don't see it as a frustrating getting-it-to-work, see it as a learning experience! |
| 00:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | man, I should go to marketing |
| 00:11.21 | causa-prima | jhutchins_lt: was just a switch in the alsa-mixer :D |
| 00:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | only... I don't want to undergo the required lobotomy :( |
| 00:11.46 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: i do, really! it's just good i have that much spare time at the moment :) |
| 00:11.50 | jhutchins_lt | causa-prima: Ah, you didn't get it working, you got it turned on. |
| 00:12.11 | causa-prima | jhutchins_lt: right ;) |
| 00:12.21 | Delf | me <3 openssh-server :D |
| 00:12.31 | jhutchins_lt | causa-prima: Nice to know it was working out-of-the-box. |
| 00:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | causa-prima: So now you're learning about codecs and formats? |
| 00:13.06 | causa-prima | jhutchins_lt: i have not tried everything so far, MIDI still needs to be tested - but i'mn optimistic :) |
| 00:13.27 | causa-prima | jhutchins_lt: yes, more than i wanted to know :) |
| 00:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, see, now you've got to write a howto to spread the misery around |
| 00:14.09 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: lol! :D |
| 00:15.12 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: ..ending up complaining it didn't work right out of the box. |
| 00:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... it did?! |
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| 00:15.36 | causa-prima | (what it actually does if you just know the right commands) |
| 00:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, same manpage says "For hwac3 output via S/PDIF, use an "iec958" or "spdif" device, unless you really know how to set it correctly." |
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| 00:17.20 | causa-prima | CutMeOwnThroat: and i'm someone who does not know how to set it correctly. sadly. |
| 00:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't ask me what that means, I don't have any hardware that understands ac3 |
| 00:18.11 | causa-prima | i won't ;) |
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| 00:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, well... you should find out what an iec958 or spdif device is, I guess? |
| 00:18.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever that is... |
| 00:18.40 | causa-prima | i already know |
| 00:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | good on yer! |
| 00:18.50 | causa-prima | it's the device i'm using ;) |
| 00:19.29 | perty | say, if i want to make an alias called "service" that simply redirects to /etc/init.d/<service>, so if i go "service apache2 restart" it'll be /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, how'd i do that? |
| 00:19.30 | causa-prima | it just so frustrating to know your just one command line option away from getting what you want. |
| 00:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't you using device=spdif instead of device=alsa, then? |
| 00:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | causa-prima, well... would you prefer to be 20 command line options away from what you want? |
| 00:20.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps a 200 line perl-script? :) |
| 00:20.18 | causa-prima | lol, of course not :) |
| 00:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | perty, "ln -s /etc/init.d/service /usr/local/bin"? or add /etc/init.d/ to roots PATH (although in both cases you might end up with name collisions with the real programs) |
| 00:21.24 | magyar | is there a way to verify if my radeon card is working in 3d? |
| 00:21.39 | abrotman | magyar: glxinfo |
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| 00:22.22 | Arrowmaster | perty: dont, just use invoke-rc.d or just alias service to invoke-rc.d |
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| 00:23.17 | perty | Arrowmaster ah, my hero |
| 00:23.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... probably not a good idea for hdparm |
| 00:23.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or lm-sensors |
| 00:23.58 | perty | meh, i have apache and mysql on this box, if it breaks either one of those... then it's meant to be |
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| 00:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it? |
| 00:24.18 | perty | yes |
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| 00:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | by whom |
| 00:24.51 | perty | no doubt some angry developer doing strange code |
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| 00:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you? |
| 00:25.04 | perty | i don't do strange code |
| 00:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you only do strange things? :) |
| 00:25.21 | magyar | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1799242 |
| 00:25.23 | perty | obviously :) |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | magyar: so read it ... |
| 00:25.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:26.05 | magyar | abrotman: not sure what to look for |
| 00:26.29 | perty | either way i've only ever really used redhat, and redhat has the service alias, and it's just been killing me to not have it on debian |
| 00:26.42 | perty | its just... convenient |
| 00:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oooh, (wipes away a tear) |
| 00:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | surely makes the finger bleed... |
| 00:27.10 | perty | however my mate insists on typing out /etc/init.d/ every time |
| 00:27.15 | perty | and that's killing me even more |
| 00:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like /et[Tab]ini[Tab] |
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| 00:30.10 | perty | no, he actually types it all out |
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| 00:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar, you're still on one of the good old SGIs? |
| 00:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you threw out IRIX?! |
| 00:31.34 | simonrvn | i would have at least imaged it.... |
| 00:31.40 | magyar | CutMeOwnThroat: not sure why old SGI? |
| 00:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... is getting a new irix license on essentially free old hardware still something like $20000 |
| 00:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | "server glx vendor string: SGI"? |
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| 00:32.36 | linuxjones317 | is there a channel for people trying to put linux on osx? |
| 00:32.42 | simonrvn | um, that's the opengl strings. it just says what implementation. |
| 00:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | wen it says "vendor string"? |
| 00:33.09 | simonrvn | linuxjones317: different oses. you don't put one on top of the other. |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: they all say that |
| 00:33.13 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 00:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine says 'nvidia Corporation' |
| 00:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I remember... |
| 00:34.19 | simonrvn | OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc. |
| 00:34.19 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: you're using binary nvidia junk |
| 00:34.22 | linuxjones317 | my mistake, i worded that wrong, puttting linux on a powerpc |
| 00:34.24 | magyar | CutMeOwnThroat: i got a Radeon card |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | !tell linuxjones317 about ppc |
| 00:34.49 | simonrvn | linuxjones317: there isn't anything much to it. and that's usually in #debianppc |
| 00:35.24 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: 'OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc.' |
| 00:36.00 | simonrvn | using 'OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 (RV250 4966) 20090101 AGP 2x x86/MMX+/3DNow!+ TCL\nOpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 7.6.1' |
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| 00:36.42 | dbbolton | how can i put all of the files in a directory into a floppy image? |
| 00:37.32 | simonrvn | loop mount it and cp the stuff over... |
| 00:37.46 | krisfremen | hmm, how come X -version is showing v 11.0 while Xorg is showing 11.7 ? |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | puts krisfremen on one network |
| 00:38.35 | krisfremen | yup... |
| 00:38.41 | krisfremen | i like freenode more |
| 00:38.49 | krisfremen | i thought that was freenode :D |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 00:39.15 | krisfremen | it's easy to mess up when you have about 40 channels in irssi xD |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | krisfremen: you might want to state which version of debian you're using |
| 00:40.10 | krisfremen | debian lenny |
| 00:41.02 | dbbolton | simonrvn everything i've found about loop involves an existing image |
| 00:41.25 | petemc | dbbolton: easy to create an image file with dd and create a fs on it |
| 00:42.45 | dbbolton | petemc i don't have an IF, i have a directory with several filles |
| 00:43.10 | petemc | dbbolton: mkfs.msdos has a -C option, use that create a file, loop mount it, copy your files to it |
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| 00:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... wanted to suggest ... ls -lad $(type -p X) $(type -p Xorg) |
| 00:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | turns out X is a wrapper, not a softlink |
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| 00:47.23 | simonrvn | dbbolton: what he said =) |
| 00:48.07 | petemc | :) |
| 00:48.20 | dbbolton | petemc: according to the man page block-count must be given with the -C option |
| 00:48.36 | petemc | ok.. |
| 00:49.07 | dbbolton | so how am i supposed to know what that is |
| 00:49.18 | petemc | bing it |
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| 00:50.26 | dbbolton | bing what? "block-count"? |
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| 00:50.38 | petemc | dbbolton: i checked with altavista, its 1440 for a 1.44 meg image file |
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| 00:51.08 | dbbolton | and what if my directory is less than 1.44 mb? |
| 00:51.21 | petemc | then you'll have some free space on the disc |
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| 00:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !win petemc |
| 00:54.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, petemc! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:55.02 | petemc | thats the ticket |
| 00:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | dbbolton: block count x block size = storage volume. |
| 00:55.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I sometimes wonder how they come up with those questions |
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| 00:59.32 | dbbolton | what about, tar cvf /dev/fd0 /floppy/files |
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| 01:00.10 | wols | dbbolton: do you know what a filesystem is? and what floppies use for one? |
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| 01:01.20 | dbbolton | i could format it to ext4 if i felt like it |
| 01:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, reiser? |
| 01:01.36 | wols | dbbolton: and you think tar does that? |
| 01:01.38 | Prock | its been a long time, but im coming back to linux / debian |
| 01:02.05 | dbbolton | wols no, i don't personally think that. this was one of the search results. |
| 01:02.11 | Prock | i need to check to make sure all my hardware is working |
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| 01:02.23 | wols | dbbolton: and you shared this stupidity with us why? |
| 01:02.36 | wols | !tell Prock about hcl |
| 01:02.50 | Prock | i know i need 3d support |
| 01:02.53 | dbbolton | wols i asked about whether it was valid |
| 01:03.15 | dbbolton | wols: if you don't want to answer a question then shut up |
| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does put the files on the floppy |
| 01:03.33 | wols | tar might balk since it's a special file, but yes you could write a tarfile directly to a floppy without a filesystem |
| 01:03.45 | dbbolton | wols: you aren't obligated to answer a question if you don't feel that it is "smart" enough |
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| 01:04.31 | dbbolton | http://aplawrence.com/Basics/floppy.html |
| 01:04.37 | dbbolton | google is not always your friend. |
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| 01:07.48 | kj4 | lenny is my only friend |
| 01:08.08 | Prock | any way i can get firefox and not hte monkey |
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| 01:11.57 | Prock | debian still uses appatitude corrrect |
| 01:12.02 | stuckey | Is it possible to use a digital camera as a webcam? |
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| 01:12.42 | abrotman | Prock: not in debian, yes |
| 01:13.03 | Prock | not in? |
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| 01:14.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, adding a "depends on the model" disclaimer, I'd say "not easily" |
| 01:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or if you press me "no" |
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| 01:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | for one there's no streaming protocol that I know of that would allow for it... nor do I think it can be done with PTP |
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| 01:17.28 | stuckey | CutMeOwnThroat: looks like gphoto2 does it with some camears. |
| 01:17.35 | stuckey | Too bad mine doesn't seem to be among them |
| 01:17.49 | stuckey | http://www.gphoto.org/doc/remote/ |
| 01:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I got a powershot |
| 01:18.32 | stuckey | sd450? |
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| 01:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | sd800 (mind Europe/US versions are different) |
| 01:19.48 | stuckey | these little powershots are nice camears |
| 01:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can easily put/add your own software onto them! |
| 01:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK |
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| 01:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | so with those you should be able to do anything the hardware allows :) |
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| 01:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, but that would only take snapshots? |
| 01:28.58 | stuckey | CutMeOwnThroat: with CHDK? |
| 01:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the gphoto stuff |
| 01:29.36 | stuckey | CutMeOwnThroat: seems so |
| 01:30.00 | hyphenex | I'm having trouble installing Debian via PXE (I followed this guide https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install). It gets to try and install Grub, then says "the grub package failed to install into /target. Looking at the console, it says Package grub has no installation candidate, calling 'apt-install grub' failed |
| 01:30.18 | stuckey | CutMeOwnThroat: I get an error when I try to use gphoto2 to do a capture |
| 01:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, well, http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK says USB remote - Simple DIY remote allows you to control your camera remotely. |
| 01:30.50 | stuckey | CutMeOwnThroat: I want to use it as a webcam |
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| 01:32.59 | stuckey | says it doesn't support generic capture |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | wtf is 'apt-install' ? |
| 01:33.48 | hyphenex | it's something the installer uses I guess? |
| 01:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, I actually have an "enable remote" menu point in my chdk that's right now disabled |
| 01:34.23 | wols | hyphenex: which debian versin are you installing? and from what exact medium? |
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| 01:35.25 | hyphenex | wols: exactly as it's listed on https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install .. That would be Lenny 5.0 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 01:36.10 | abrotman | you realize that ubuntu is not debian right ? |
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| 01:36.48 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
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| 01:36.54 | hyphenex | abrotman: yes, but that web page works with debian, he provides the debian links |
| 01:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, dunno, gphoto2 doesn't see my camera at all |
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| 01:39.49 | stuckey | CutMeOwnThroat: I posted something on their mailing list. |
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| 01:41.42 | hyphenex | when I chroot to my installed environment, then run 'apt-get update' it seems to freeze, could this be a MTU problem on my router do you think? |
| 01:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, oh, something wrong, digikam doesn't see it either |
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| 01:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha, digikam also only uses gphoto |
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| 01:46.28 | hyphenex1 | Well, I don't think it's a MTU issue, I tried to lower it and it's still a no go :( |
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| 01:47.34 | wols | hyphenex1: try to ftp to the mirror |
| 01:47.38 | wols | or choose another mirror |
| 01:48.31 | hyphenex1 | wols: hmm, I think it's working now :) |
| 01:49.22 | hyphenex1 | Thanks wols |
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| 01:53.11 | hyphenex1 | ok, here's another quick question. Where on the login screen it says 'Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 gateway tty1' Is there a way to change it? (for the console login) |
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| 01:55.13 | wols | hyphenex1: /etc/issue |
| 01:55.22 | hyphenex1 | Thanks once again wols |
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| 02:00.41 | blakkheim | has the msn login issue been fixed in lenny's version of finch yet? |
| 02:01.03 | wols | blakkheim: why not check bdo? |
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| 02:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, oh well, at least with my model chck doesn't help - whenever I switch on "remote" in their menues, the camera disconnects from USB |
| 02:02.36 | linuxguy2009 | My fstab entry for / says "errors=remount-ro" so Im assuming that since "sync" or "async" is missing from the options, that the default "async" is being used? Meaning that filesystem changes are _not_ written immediately? That correct? |
| 02:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, oh, because it's actually something else, maybe :) |
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| 02:03.40 | wols_ | linuxguy2009: yes |
| 02:05.40 | linuxguy2009 | wols_: Cool. Thanks. |
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| 02:07.10 | blakkheim | wols_: i checked, looks like it's fixed in testing/sid but lenny's still doesn't work |
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| 02:08.19 | wols_ | blakkheim: it's unlikely to get fixed in stable |
| 02:08.25 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:08.25 | wols_ | look for a backport or make your own |
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| 02:08.45 | blakkheim | wols_: would installing the .deb from testing be an acceptable solution? |
| 02:08.52 | wols_ | blakkheim: no |
| 02:09.08 | Amarande | blakkheim, however, you *could* pull the source deb from sid and build it against lenny. |
| 02:09.22 | Amarande | I've done that a number of times with various things, it tends to work well as long as the libraries in lenny are new enough |
| 02:09.23 | simonrvn | mixing releases is like shooting yourself in the foot, with a harpoon. |
| 02:09.50 | simonrvn | Amarande: bpo is useful for that =;) |
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| 02:14.24 | rainy-day | what could this be: |
| 02:14.28 | rainy-day | # ifconfig |
| 02:14.29 | rainy-day | Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. |
| 02:15.33 | Amarande | rainy-day: are you root? |
| 02:15.36 | rainy-day | yep |
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| 02:16.53 | simonrvn | is /proc mounted? |
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| 02:18.26 | rainy-day | yes |
| 02:18.40 | linuxguy2009 | The swap fstab entry just has "sw" as its options. I don't see "sw" mentioned in "man mount", is that something I'll just have to memorize I suppose or is the swap options listed somewhere else? |
| 02:19.03 | simonrvn | rainy-day: what does ls -l /proc/net show? |
| 02:19.19 | rainy-day | simonrvn: no such file or directory |
| 02:19.34 | rainy-day | hmm |
| 02:19.38 | rainy-day | I got it |
| 02:19.42 | simonrvn | how about /proc/self/net ? |
| 02:19.45 | simonrvn | mm |
| 02:19.47 | rainy-day | there is no /proc/ |
| 02:19.54 | rainy-day | but mount shows it mounted |
| 02:20.06 | simonrvn | so why did you tell me it was mounted? mount can be wrong. |
| 02:20.16 | simonrvn | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 02:20.51 | simonrvn | if that doesn't show anything, it's a) not mounted ;) b) shows actual current mounted devices |
| 02:21.00 | rainy-day | I didn't realize mount can say it's mounted if it's not |
| 02:21.31 | simonrvn | mount just reads /etc/mtab |
| 02:22.22 | simonrvn | if you're signle user, or booted to the system via -b, /etc/mtab won't necessarily be accurate |
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| 02:22.26 | simonrvn | single* |
| 02:22.38 | FlyingAmbulance | is there a last seen command in here |
| 02:22.50 | simonrvn | dpkg has a seen |
| 02:22.50 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 02:23.01 | simonrvn | !seen foo |
| 02:23.02 | dpkg | foo <n=foo@cpe-75-84-23-176.socal.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 39d 11h 19m 56s ago, saying: 'jelly: alrighty, thanks'. |
| 02:23.21 | FlyingAmbulance | hm |
| 02:23.22 | adb | heh |
| 02:23.24 | FlyingAmbulance | how about a !msg command |
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| 02:23.25 | FlyingAmbulance | or something |
| 02:23.26 | rainy-day | simonrvn: ok thanks! good to know |
| 02:23.33 | FlyingAmbulance | "when you see user X, do this" |
| 02:23.35 | simonrvn | didn't think that would produce anything ;) |
| 02:23.50 | simonrvn | FlyingAmbulance: use memoserv |
| 02:24.02 | simonrvn | but it does have a memo thingy too |
| 02:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !botmail |
| 02:24.36 | FlyingAmbulance | w/e |
| 02:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, helps aren't shown |
| 02:24.37 | FlyingAmbulance | it's done |
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| 02:24.56 | FlyingAmbulance | wtf |
| 02:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... |
| 02:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !botmail for FlyingAmbulance but it exists! |
| 02:25.19 | FlyingAmbulance | how did a user that's not online just read the memo i sent him |
| 02:25.27 | FlyingAmbulance | i hate this damn network |
| 02:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | we're all psychics... |
| 02:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | we should have told you, but being all psychics, we just keep assuming everyone else knows... |
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| 02:26.40 | FlyingAmbulance | what am i thinking right now |
| 02:26.45 | FlyingAmbulance | tries not to think about looking at CutMeOwnThroat naked |
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| 02:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | eek, he's imagining my sausage inna bun |
| 02:27.18 | FlyingAmbulance | dammit |
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| 02:30.07 | dhaivat | Hello. I'm trying to learn to write games in C with Allegro, but, I need a very light and minimalist image editor, something like Paint for MS. Any ideas? I have a pentium 2 with like 128 mB of ram. |
| 02:30.24 | simonrvn | there's a few in sid... |
| 02:30.38 | FlyingAmbulance | dhaivat: there are a few |
| 02:30.42 | FlyingAmbulance | xpaint |
| 02:30.46 | dhaivat | thank you. |
| 02:30.47 | FlyingAmbulance | mmnn.... |
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| 02:31.01 | FlyingAmbulance | tuxpaint, mtpaint, cinepaint, gnome-paint |
| 02:31.09 | CodeBlock | Hi, I recently had an issue (thanks to mixing packages, lesson learned), and someone's been helping me fix apt, but when I go to touch a file, I'm getting "touch: setting times of `foo': Bad address" any clue where to go about debugging what's happening here? |
| 02:31.10 | FlyingAmbulance | and pinta |
| 02:31.10 | simonrvn | there's a coupla ew ones in sid, but there are some that in lenny |
| 02:31.16 | dhaivat | which one would you recommend? tuxpaint sounds good... |
| 02:31.17 | simonrvn | new |
| 02:31.22 | dhaivat | I have lenny... |
| 02:31.40 | FlyingAmbulance | i would use something really complicated |
| 02:31.48 | dhaivat | no, I mean, something for my case :) |
| 02:31.51 | FlyingAmbulance | xpaint is the most minimal i think |
| 02:31.53 | dhaivat | quite the opposite the gimp |
| 02:32.00 | dhaivat | FlyingAmbulance: would it work on gnome? |
| 02:32.10 | FlyingAmbulance | anything that works in X will work in GNOME |
| 02:32.16 | FlyingAmbulance | with some bizarre exceptions |
| 02:32.49 | dhaivat | thank you. (btw, I thought xpaint was for Xfce) |
| 02:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | stuckey, seems you could using this as a hardware solution... http://www.eye.fi/ but then, for the price you could as well get a usb camera :) |
| 02:33.19 | simonrvn | naw, most xfoo apps are for Xorg |
| 02:33.34 | simonrvn | (came from xfree86) |
| 02:33.50 | FlyingAmbulance | XFCE stands for X something something environment |
| 02:33.57 | FlyingAmbulance | where X means |
| 02:33.58 | FlyingAmbulance | Xorg ;) |
| 02:34.36 | FlyingAmbulance | oh i see, "XF" = "XForms," where the "X in X forms means X11" |
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| 02:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and something something stand for 'I have a bad memory, too' |
| 02:35.16 | simonrvn | sieve ? |
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| 02:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, my flour is still nice and fluffy, but thanks |
| 02:36.17 | simonrvn | CodeBlock: your time's off? |
| 02:36.32 | simonrvn | that's a sifter |
| 02:36.55 | FlyingAmbulance | COTDC |
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| 02:38.18 | FlyingAmbulance | keep it classy |
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| 02:39.39 | Kryll | how can I increase the size od console fonts |
| 02:39.41 | p3rror | debian, take a look at this ip6table script |
| 02:39.44 | p3rror | http://www.fpaste.org/PIfJ/ |
| 02:39.49 | FlyingAmbulance | Kryll: which console |
| 02:39.56 | p3rror | and please tell me why when i do a traceroute |
| 02:39.58 | Kryll | putty |
| 02:40.05 | p3rror | i got send : operation not permitted |
| 02:40.15 | p3rror | and i can not ping |
| 02:40.16 | FlyingAmbulance | right click on the top of the window |
| 02:40.35 | FlyingAmbulance | are you using putty for windows or linux... |
| 02:41.11 | FlyingAmbulance | either way there's an option in Windows->Fonts |
| 02:41.24 | Kryll | FlyingAmbulance: windows on Colinux debian |
| 02:41.41 | Kryll | FlyingAmbulance: I got it thanks |
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| 02:42.32 | FlyingAmbulance | i don't even really use debian |
| 02:42.34 | FlyingAmbulance | i'm an imposter |
| 02:42.35 | FlyingAmbulance | so goodbye |
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| 02:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew it all along |
| 02:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you mean the bicycle part? |
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| 02:44.22 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: wha? |
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| 02:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | the gear control |
| 02:49.28 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 02:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | come on, I was tempted to say here control |
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| 02:52.02 | firestrider | Hey guys I get an error "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found." when typing this: "wget -q -O â https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | apt-key add -" in CLI |
| 02:52.04 | firestrider | anyone know why |
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| 02:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no key there? |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | why are yo uadding that key? and if you leave off the | part, do you get anything ? |
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| 02:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | â? |
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| 02:54.04 | firestrider | when leaving off the | it just shows the html source code in the terminal |
| 02:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | html source? |
| 02:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | shows a key for me |
| 02:54.58 | firestrider | how do you type the em dash in terminal |
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| 02:55.04 | firestrider | thats probably what im doing wrong |
| 02:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:55.22 | craigevil | firestrider: just copy and paste it |
| 02:55.44 | firestrider | I can't since debian is in a vm |
| 02:56.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still don't see why this shows â vs - but it seems to translate into the same within my xterm |
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| 02:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is em dash |
| 02:57.36 | firestrider | a character |
| 02:57.41 | firestrider | right before the URL |
| 02:57.51 | firestrider | its longer than the other hyphens |
| 02:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a minus |
| 02:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or that SHOULD be a minus |
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| 02:58.41 | firestrider | For every one of the "-"? |
| 02:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 02:59.03 | anarcat | hi |
| 02:59.07 | firestrider | Yeah, thats how i typed it and get the error |
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| 02:59.25 | anarcat | i wonder how i can change the debconf priority, without doing the dpkg-reconfig debconf magic, for one apt-get install run |
| 02:59.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | firestrider, how about you look at what the html page you get instead tells you? |
| 03:00.47 | firestrider | cutmeownthroat: this: https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub? |
| 03:01.20 | firestrider | im just following this: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html |
| 03:01.40 | firestrider | but apparently there is no valid OpenPGP data found |
| 03:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably have a typo in the url |
| 03:02.14 | firestrider | No, I tripled checked lol |
| 03:02.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what you get instead of the pgp key is probably an error page, telling you the page doesn't exist |
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| 03:02.27 | firestrider | Can you do it on your system? |
| 03:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why don't you look at the output of your wget -q -O - https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub and see if you get an error page |
| 03:02.52 | chut | hi people |
| 03:02.58 | Acony | hm, anyone can help me to bring my wlan0 in life :D |
| 03:02.59 | Acony | ? |
| 03:03.00 | chut | when i use dpkg -i --force-architecture , how do i remove the package |
| 03:03.05 | chut | i can't see it |
| 03:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, I could electrocute it... but I might not even be on the same continent... |
| 03:03.27 | chut | i removed with apt-get remove but it didn't find the package name |
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| 03:03.52 | Acony | CutMeOwnThroat, nice one :) |
| 03:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -r <packagename> |
| 03:03.52 | dpkg | removes <packagename> along with a pound of flesh from cutmeownthroat's body, then staples cutmeownthroat back up with a staple gun. |
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| 03:03.57 | firestrider | cutmeownthroat: how do you do that? "look at the output: |
| 03:04.16 | Bird|school | hey again, HTT-Bird here, got a problem: I can't find KDocker in the repos, where is it hiding? :P |
| 03:04.29 | abrotman | Acony: you have to tell us what device it is |
| 03:04.37 | abrotman | Bird|school: maybe it's not there at all |
| 03:04.57 | Bird|school | abrotman: that's a possibility...although it'd be a bit surprising |
| 03:05.01 | Bird|school | for Debian not to have it |
| 03:05.04 | Acony | abrotman, device is recognized and I need just to connect it to my wireless network that is the problem |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | Acony: wep or wpa ? |
| 03:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "best viewd with open eyes"? |
| 03:05.26 | Bird|school | abrotman: it's a mature package (4.x is the current series), and it's straight-up GPLed |
| 03:05.31 | Acony | wpa2+psk, abrotman |
| 03:05.35 | abrotman | Bird|school: so? maybe it's not useful |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | notes mysql is 5.x.x |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | Acony: /msg dpkg wpa |
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| 03:06.10 | Acony | :P |
| 03:06.13 | Bird|school | abrotman: it is useful, it allows you to put apps in your tray that don't support being tray-ified natively |
| 03:06.17 | Bird|school | (such as Sunbird/Iceowl) |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | Bird|school: okay, so package it |
| 03:07.21 | chut | hi people |
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| 03:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, well, you didn't tell us what the problem was... it was the best I could offer :) |
| 03:09.18 | chut | how do i i remove package if i installed it with dpkg -i --force-architecture |
| 03:09.27 | chut | i did install skype |
| 03:09.39 | chut | but i cant' apt-get remove skype |
| 03:09.44 | craigevil | Bird|school: use alltray its in the repos |
| 03:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Acony -about wpa_supplicant |
| 03:09.55 | Bird|school | craigevil: found it already |
| 03:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, look at the wiki pages in there and the pointers therein |
| 03:10.27 | Acony | http://pastie.org/828335, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 03:11.11 | Acony | on ubunutu I have some kind of scanner app with gui |
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| 03:11.15 | Bird|school | now, as for the hard problem of the day: I'm running ISC dhclient on my laptop (Debian Squeeze) |
| 03:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't tell us anything, though |
| 03:11.19 | Bird|school | Acony: UFRaw? |
| 03:11.25 | Acony | so app just ask me to put the password in |
| 03:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Acony, network-manager? |
| 03:11.46 | Bird|school | oh, scanner in a different sense :) |
| 03:11.51 | Acony | maybe, don't know |
| 03:11.53 | Bird|school | nvm my last remark then Acony :) |
| 03:12.00 | Bird|school | Acony: it was network-manager then |
| 03:12.13 | Bird|school | which is available for Debian; HOWEVER, not everyone likes it |
| 03:12.19 | Acony | ok, whatever I just need my wireless to work |
| 03:12.42 | Bird|school | Acony: you seem to be having the same trouble I'm having |
| 03:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | acne? |
| 03:13.13 | Bird|school | what sort of wifi card do you have, and what sort of network are you connecting to? (security, and the DHCP server in use) |
| 03:13.26 | Bird|school | CutMeOwnThroat: no, a DHCP client hearing nothing but its own echoes |
| 03:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh that sort of problem |
| 03:14.01 | Acony | some intel card, worked on ubunutu normally, and i can scan networks on debian, security is wpa+psk, and dhcp from my router |
| 03:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you shouldn't care about dhcp... it'll even try when the wireless card is not associated with an ap |
| 03:14.18 | Bird|school | Acony: odd, as Ubuntu uses dhclient as well |
| 03:14.33 | Bird|school | Acony: are you associated with the AP when you start dhclient? |
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| 03:14.51 | Bird|school | and you probably want to suck in network-manager, wicd, or something of that ilk |
| 03:14.56 | sontek | Whats the worse computer debian can be installed on? I have a 533mhz computer with 64mb ram |
| 03:14.57 | Bird|school | especially if you have WPA |
| 03:14.57 | Acony | Bird|school, I don't know how to check that |
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| 03:15.07 | sontek | The Ubuntu installer cant handle being on that low of ram |
| 03:15.07 | Bird|school | Acony: /sbin/iwconfig |
| 03:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can sometimes be associated without being authenticated, too... |
| 03:15.30 | Bird|school | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I think he should just break down and get something like network-manager |
| 03:15.41 | Bird|school | I personally have had lousy luck with wicd :P |
| 03:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | sontek, should work... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 03:17.01 | Acony | Bird|school, not ascociated |
| 03:17.01 | sontek | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 03:17.04 | sontek | why is there 10 cd's? |
| 03:17.14 | Bird|school | Acony: no wonder DHCP isn't working :p |
| 03:17.31 | Bird|school | you have to go from the bottom up |
| 03:17.34 | Bird|school | 1) up the if |
| 03:17.36 | Bird|school | 2) associate |
| 03:17.42 | Bird|school | 3) authenticate (if needed) |
| 03:17.45 | Bird|school | 4) get an IP |
| 03:17.50 | Acony | 3 needed |
| 03:17.51 | Acony | :D |
| 03:18.00 | Bird|school | yep |
| 03:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sontek, because there's 32291 packages in Debian - you only need CD1 or even just the netinstall to install, though |
| 03:18.12 | Bird|school | Acony: my recommendation is to use network-manager |
| 03:18.21 | Bird|school | or wicd if you don't like network-manager |
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| 03:19.30 | Acony | Bird|school, I can put all this info in /etc/network/interfaces - correct ? |
| 03:19.43 | Acony | so that should not be extremely complex :P |
| 03:20.12 | Bird|school | Acony: actually, just put your Ethernet port into /e/n/i |
| 03:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, sorry, make that 32299, but that includes non-free, contrib and dmm |
| 03:20.37 | Acony | Bird|school, oh I don't get u know :( |
| 03:21.02 | Bird|school | and use network-manager or wicd to manage the wifi (/e/n/i is short for /etc/network/interfaces btw :) |
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| 03:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | gives Acony 'u' |
| 03:21.19 | Bird|school | Acony: does that box have Ethernet, or just wifi? |
| 03:21.50 | Acony | I am on eth0 right now but I wont to use wifi, I hate cables |
| 03:21.51 | Acony | :D |
| 03:22.01 | Bird|school | Acony: install network-manager and friends |
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| 03:22.15 | Atiomis | hey guys, i'm being ddos'd at 98mbps from a dedicated server and iptables is blocking the ip, what can i do to kick the IP knowing it's flooding SSH port (22) ? |
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| 03:22.46 | Bird|school | Atiomis: give your ISP a ring and ask them to put a block on the attack |
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| 03:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders how a single server can ddos |
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| 03:23.54 | Atiomis | i already sent them an e-mail Bird|school |
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| 03:24.06 | Atiomis | well i was ddosed at 1.8gbps few days ago from 20k unique IPs |
| 03:24.36 | Bird|school | Atiomis: well, lets hope you have a really, really sharp ISP :) |
| 03:25.01 | Bird|school | because man, 1.8gbps is enough to take down anybody's connection |
| 03:25.05 | Atiomis | i was null-routed untill the attack ended lol |
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| 03:25.24 | Bird|school | that's serious business...enough to overwhelm your average server box |
| 03:25.38 | alex87 | Atiomis, any idea why you're being targetted? |
| 03:25.45 | Atiomis | nop |
| 03:25.59 | Atiomis | it's some pathetic kids doing that |
| 03:26.02 | Bird|school | guess it's one of those random script kiddies with a botnet being pathetic |
| 03:26.10 | Atiomis | i'm not the only guy being attacked |
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| 03:27.03 | alex87 | i'm not up to date with all this ddos business, but isn't there any software which can delay requests per ip address while an attack is going on? |
| 03:27.26 | eyzn | Atiomis: fail2ban |
| 03:27.30 | Atiomis | not helping |
| 03:27.44 | Atiomis | i'm using fail2ban & http://deflate.medialayer.com/ atm |
| 03:28.05 | Atiomis | i was hoping to have a reply from http://awknet.com/netawk.html since their service is pretty cheap |
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| 03:28.10 | Atiomis | and handy for my case |
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| 03:29.05 | Devastator | talking about ddos, a server is being attacked perhaps.. |
| 03:29.40 | Bird|school | the worst nightmare I can think of...a botnet made of servers |
| 03:29.47 | eyzn | lol |
| 03:29.53 | Atiomis | lol |
| 03:30.04 | Bird|school | that would make me want to pull the plug if I were attacked by that |
| 03:30.31 | Bird|school | or perhaps even hang a box with enough traffic to cause an interrupt storm :( |
| 03:30.39 | Devastator | CutMeOwnThroat a single server can ddos, why not? |
| 03:30.57 | Bird|school | dos not ddos Devastator :) |
| 03:31.25 | Devastator | oh, now I see |
| 03:31.26 | Devastator | :D |
| 03:31.41 | Devastator | yes.. botnets can be a PITA |
| 03:31.54 | Devastator | snort is somewhat effective |
| 03:32.00 | Devastator | if well setup |
| 03:34.28 | eyzn | best way to avoid becoming a bot in the net would be to reset a vm from time to time to a save status and change passwords from time to time - isnt it? (ofc database wont be reseted) |
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| 03:37.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 03:38.24 | firestrider | what to I need to get google-chrome-unstable to run on a debian standard install (CLI) |
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| 03:38.52 | firestrider | I need X11 and some window compositor, right |
| 03:38.57 | liable | x would be a good start |
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| 03:41.57 | joshteam | is this still the best way to set up NSF on debian? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nfs.htm |
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| 03:51.59 | simonrvn | firestrider: you don't need a compositing wm to run chrome ... |
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| 03:52.41 | firestrider | i installed x-window-system and openbox |
| 03:52.59 | firestrider | how do I start google-chrome-unstable now |
| 03:54.03 | simonrvn | firestrider: first you find what the binary is, then you type that name in a terminal. dpkg -L packagename |
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| 03:55.18 | simonrvn | may i suggest grun too. has name completion and history, and runs stuff for you. i have set to run when i do alt-f2 in openbox |
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| 04:04.03 | sten | is it possible to boot debian w/o mounting /? booting w/ init=/bin/bash mounts it ro already.. |
| 04:04.47 | sten | (I have /boot separate) |
| 04:07.14 | liable | why? |
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| 04:09.58 | likevinyl | http://pic.atpic.com/1706956/600 |
| 04:10.04 | likevinyl | its party time :P |
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| 04:14.25 | sten | liable: did you reply to my question? |
| 04:15.02 | sten | because I want to convert my / to btrfs, but the conversion is only possible for not-mounted fs |
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| 04:16.02 | liable | use a live cd |
| 04:17.14 | sten | liable: yeah, planned to use live-usbimg (no cd), I just wanted to know if it can be done easier ;) |
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| 04:22.17 | jiohdi | what version of dropbox works best with lenny? |
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| 04:24.29 | gnusosa | Can anybody tell me if this a behaviour of X server or xorg-intel-driver? |
| 04:24.45 | gnusosa | Everytime I exit X, the virtual console is blank. |
| 04:25.08 | gnusosa | Although, keyboard is active, and i'm able to type startx and go back. |
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| 04:26.51 | gnusosa | ? |
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| 04:28.18 | Bird|school | gnusosa: it's the intel drivers |
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| 04:28.33 | Bird|school | I think |
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| 04:29.04 | gnusosa | Bird|school: Do you know of any solution? or I'm going to wait for the next release? |
| 04:29.15 | Bird|school | gnusosa: not a clue, bug the intel-drivers folks |
| 04:29.42 | gnusosa | Bird|school: yeah, that would work. thanks |
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| 04:30.10 | Cain | i just convert mbox to Maildir, and configure postfix to use Maildir (home_mailbox = Maildir/) but i still get the messages in mbox and not in ~/Maildir : any idea ? |
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| 05:06.55 | tuv | what is the easiest way (program) to add a few lines to a png image? |
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| 05:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnusosa, call "SVGATextmode" |
| 05:07.59 | dkr | tuv: one of the imagemagick utilities |
| 05:08.00 | ajcc | tuv: I think ImageMagick might work |
| 05:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | convert/mogrify, specifically |
| 05:09.13 | dkr | -caption specifically, maybe :) |
| 05:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought -resize |
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| 05:10.09 | dkr | depends on whether he meant lines of text or pixels |
| 05:10.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course now we start wondereing what he thought a "line" is :) |
| 05:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 05:10.32 | ajcc | are you talking to yourself? |
| 05:10.58 | tuv | pixerls, not text. a straight line |
| 05:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajcc, are you going to answer yourself? |
| 05:11.04 | tuv | pixels* |
| 05:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean draw a line on top of it? |
| 05:11.18 | dkr | CutMeOwnThroat: i thought we weren't going to answer so he looke dlike he was talking ot himself. :) |
| 05:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, he was... |
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| 05:11.47 | tuv | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 05:11.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, I only wondered if he was going to be polite and answer the question he asked himself :) |
| 05:12.08 | dkr | tuv: yeah, you can draw a line with mogrify |
| 05:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | our answer is still correct! |
| 05:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | convert --help |less |
| 05:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | search yourself :) |
| 05:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | -draw I'd say |
| 05:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a web version of the man/info/help page |
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| 05:15.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, hail for the imagemagick-images-swiss-army-knife... none of us got the right question, but the answer was still correct! |
| 05:15.17 | dkr | heh, yep |
| 05:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | now... does that mean we won this round of double-jeopardy or lost it? |
| 05:16.02 | dkr | Alex says we'll have to ask the judges |
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| 05:17.51 | tuv | now mogrify is part of graphicsMagick, not imageMagick. these are two different packages, aren't they? |
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| 05:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, we were talking about imageMagick |
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| 05:19.17 | tuv | i guess i have graphicsMagick only installed, that's why the man page belonged to it:graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat |
| 05:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a fork which can do pretty much the same things |
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| 05:28.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuv, if any one of them has some great advantage over the other, I don't know it |
| 05:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then I'm only sporadically using it |
| 05:30.02 | ajcc | CutMeOwnThroat: have you tried Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? I'm thinking off trying it. |
| 05:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I have a question... I'm trying to backport motion, but a) seems the location of ffmpeg headers has changed in testing and b) they seem to be all over the place |
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| 05:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ajcc, mm, no, I use some proprietary software... |
| 05:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably doable but... |
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| 05:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder - perhaps the location of those headers changed _because_ they were all over the place |
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| 05:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... that's the problem ffmpeg libraries are split in all kinds of things like.. libavcodec-dev libavformat-dev |
| 05:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | while the build assumes they're all in the same place |
| 05:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | bother |
| 05:36.07 | ajcc | you forgot to type as your other name |
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| 05:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I did... I said "you forgot to type as your other name" |
| 05:38.16 | Kai_ | Hi... how do I trick APT into thinking that a specific package is installed? |
| 05:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 05:39.24 | Kai_ | wait, I could just edit the package I'm trying to install to depend on a later version. |
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| 05:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean an earlier version? |
| 05:40.20 | Kai_ | No, a later version. |
| 05:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't make sense |
| 05:40.33 | Kai_ | It wants perlapi-5.8.8 |
| 05:40.41 | Kai_ | I can't get that because I have perlapi-5.10.1 |
| 05:40.53 | Kai_ | Yes, it depends on the package version through its name. Lame. |
| 05:40.55 | ajcc | Kai_: you could always install the package from source, that will fix any dependency problems |
| 05:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlapi? |
| 05:41.21 | Kai_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah. |
| 05:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | where's that come from? |
| 05:42.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or what's the real packagename |
| 05:43.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? google finds it, but not my apt |
| 05:43.13 | Kai_ | cpan-libcpanplus-perl |
| 05:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions perlapi-5.10.1 |
| 05:43.18 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'perlapi-5.10.1' was found. |
| 05:43.27 | Kai_ | It's in CPAN's repo, I think. |
| 05:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you only have dependency probelms if it's a debian package |
| 05:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/perlapi-5.10.1 |
| 05:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kai_, it's perl-base |
| 05:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions perl-base |
| 05:44.06 | judd | perl-base -- etch: 5.8.8-7etch6; etch-security: 5.8.8-7etch6; lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny2; squeeze: 5.10.1-9; sid: 5.10.1-11 |
| 05:44.15 | Kai_ | it's not depending on perlapi version 5.8.8, it's perlapi-5.8.8 |
| 05:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kai_, what package are you trying to install? |
| 05:44.24 | Kai_ | <Kai_> cpan-libcpanplus-perl |
| 05:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, and that one's on CPAN only(?) |
| 05:45.17 | dondelelcaro | !qmail |
| 05:45.17 | Kai_ | I don't know :S |
| 05:45.17 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent by D.J. Bernstein. It used to be <non-free>, now public domain, but no-one in Debian really wants to take on the responsibility of trying to maintain it (see Debian bug #457318). For documentation, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install, ask me about <qmail debs> or <qmail equivs>. http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html #qmail on irc.freenode.net. See also <mta>. |
| 05:45.48 | Kai_ | But wait, why am I trying to install cpan-libcpanplus-perl from a deb I downloaded when I can get it in apt? :P |
| 05:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this ubuntu? |
| 05:46.10 | Kai_ | Yes. |
| 05:46.12 | Kai_ | Wait wait wait... |
| 05:46.25 | Kai_ | cpan-libcpanplus-perl itself does not depend on perlapi-5.8.8 |
| 05:46.35 | Kai_ | Some of its dependencies do |
| 05:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | no wonder I don't find anything then... |
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| 05:47.00 | Kai_ | Namely libdigest-md5-perl, libstorable-perl, and libversion-perl |
| 05:47.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the link I pasted |
| 05:47.30 | Kai_ | And for cpan-libdigest-md5-perl: Depends: perlapi-5.8.8 but it is not installable |
| 05:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | perlapi-5.10.1 is not a package itself, but provided by perl-base |
| 05:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if this is ubuntu, you must ask #ubuntu, everything will be a bit different |
| 05:47.58 | Kai_ | I can't install perl-base-5.8.8 because no such thing exists |
| 05:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course it's not installable, it is provided by perl-base |
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| 05:48.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and probably, you indeed *need* something that provides that api version |
| 05:48.49 | Kai_ | So I have the newer perl-bases... can I get apt to think that it has perlapi-5.8.8 installed? |
| 05:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show perl-base |grep rovide |
| 05:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ask #ubuntu for ubuntu |
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| 05:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually more: apt-cache show perl-base |egrep 'ersion|rovide' |
| 05:50.41 | Kai_ | Oh, I could make a fake deb :D |
| 05:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | won't help you if perl-base doesn't provide what you need |
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| 05:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just edit the package and remove the dependency or change it to perl-base |
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| 05:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't do you any good if the dependency was correct |
| 05:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479083 |
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| 05:55.58 | sontek | do you guys know what package I need to have debian auto detect hardware for me? |
| 05:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | discover? |
| 05:56.12 | liable | udev does that |
| 05:56.21 | liable | discover died a long time ago |
| 05:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | how sad |
| 05:56.36 | sontek | I have a usb wireless device that auto detects in ubuntu, trying to get it to do so in debian |
| 05:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still in testing/unstable, though! |
| 05:57.00 | liable | what kernel you got?? |
| 05:57.17 | liable | and what does dmesg say when you plug it in? |
| 05:57.19 | sontek | 2.6.26 in debian |
| 05:57.28 | sontek | 2.6.31 in ubuntu |
| 05:57.41 | liable | right, its likely it doesnt have a driver in that kernel, which version did ubuntu have? |
| 05:57.46 | liable | ah right |
| 05:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | lag? |
| 05:57.54 | sontek | dmesg sees it.. |
| 05:58.04 | sontek | usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 |
| 05:58.05 | liable | get a newer kernel from backports |
| 05:58.13 | liable | oh |
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| 05:58.22 | sontek | I don't have ifconfig or anything though |
| 05:58.28 | liable | hmm, does it show up in ifconfig -a ?? |
| 05:58.53 | liable | yes you would, as root or type the full path, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:58.59 | sontek | oh it does show now |
| 05:59.01 | sontek | wlan0 |
| 05:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 05:59.15 | sontek | so I just need to grab networkmanager |
| 05:59.20 | sontek | which isn't on the disk |
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| 06:04.54 | sontek | any of you guys remember how to connect to a wpa wireless with iwconfig so I can get networkmanager? |
| 06:04.58 | sontek | I forget everything that is needed |
| 06:06.11 | sontek | this little 533mhz 64mb laptop is almost revived :P |
| 06:06.48 | liable | you'll need wpasupplicant |
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| 06:07.34 | sontek | I installed it |
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| 06:08.10 | liable | run wpasupplicant with -C, then fire up wpa_cli and connect, otherwise create a conf file for wpasupplicant |
| 06:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand that... one reason the testing motion source package didn't finish building on lenny was that the linker wasn't called with -lbz2 ... |
| 06:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | how could that work on testing? |
| 06:08.26 | awk | Hi, I need some serious help from you oldschool guys... I have an issue, I have a directory /var/spool/asterisk/monitor and in there I have sub directories with date stamps and the files for that date inside there.. there are scripts that move the files inside these directories based on uniqueid's that are matched from the API... the problem is not all these files have gone into sub directories.. |
| 06:09.14 | awk | When you do 20k calls a day it starts to make allot of files sit outside the directory, I can't ls / mv, etc.. it just causes the load to jump to 20+ and the box crashes... I need a way to be able to remove all *.wav inside /var/spool/asterisk/monitor/*.wav without causing the load to jump |
| 06:09.19 | sontek | is there a way to just run a quick connect with wpa_supplicant |
| 06:09.26 | sontek | or do you have to write the full config? |
| 06:09.35 | awk | I have writen a find script with a depth of a few days, etc doesn't matter once it tries to interagate that directory it crashes the box |
| 06:09.55 | liable | you can use wpa_cli without needing a conf file |
| 06:10.07 | awk | how do I get around this i/o issue, as its not a memory issue as I still have free mem / page file |
| 06:10.17 | awk | page file / swap |
| 06:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, find? |
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| 06:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or doesn't it matter what program it is? |
| 06:11.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, can't mv... not even a single file? |
| 06:11.13 | awk | naaa, I try use find that directory is just way to big.... and t many files doesn't matter of the depth I try |
| 06:11.46 | sontek | liable: it says it could not connect to wpa_supplicant |
| 06:11.53 | sontek | liable: and supplicant wants a config |
| 06:11.55 | awk | can't us mv as not sure what files are in there, so can't say mv *.wav as it moans... -bash /bin/mv Argument list too long |
| 06:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wpa_supplicant |
| 06:12.04 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 06:12.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's examples on the wiki, I think |
| 06:12.33 | liable | sontek: wpasupplicant -i wlan0 -C /var/run/wpa_supplicant -B |
| 06:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's what find is for... |
| 06:12.42 | liable | then wpa_cli |
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| 06:14.26 | sontek | liable: scan and then list_networks in wpa_cli finds no networks |
| 06:14.30 | sontek | liable: but iwlist scan does |
| 06:14.43 | liable | sontek: try it a few times |
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| 06:15.07 | sontek | liable: it does keep saying <2>CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS |
| 06:15.11 | sontek | not sure if that means anything |
| 06:15.15 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, I have done this find /mnt/hdd/ -name "*" -ctime +270 -exec mv -vv {} /var/spool/asterisk/monitor/ \; >> /var/log/asterisk/move.log |
| 06:15.29 | liable | sontek: ignor eit |
| 06:15.33 | awk | thats what i'm using and it still pushes the load up to much... /mnt/hdd is a share on another box |
| 06:15.37 | sontek | liable: i've tried it 3 or 4 times and it hasn't found anything |
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| 06:16.05 | sontek | liable: scan_results shows it though |
| 06:16.11 | sontek | not sure why list_networks doesn't |
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| 06:17.07 | liable | so, add_network, set_ssid, set_psk, enable_network (something along those lines) |
| 06:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, what's '-name "*"' supposed to do? |
| 06:17.31 | liable | then run dhclient in another term |
| 06:17.53 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: any files in the following directory |
| 06:18.03 | awk | they all only .wav files |
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| 06:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | that does nothing, though... |
| 06:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like find /mnt/hdd -maxdepth 1 -type f ...then the rest |
| 06:19.35 | awk | ahh, ok... -maxdepth on /var/spool/asterisk/monitor will not drop to sub directory ? |
| 06:19.43 | awk | I mean -maxdepth 1 |
| 06:19.57 | awk | let me test that, thanks |
| 06:19.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're doing this in /mnt/hdd |
| 06:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | not /var/spool/asterisk/monitor |
| 06:20.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're moving things to there |
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| 06:21.05 | awk | i'm going to change the string now to find . -type f -maxdepth 1 "*.WAV" -exec rm -rf {} \; and remove them instead |
| 06:21.26 | liable | sontek: actually, i forgot, its set_network 0 ssid etc.. |
| 06:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't do "-r" on single files... although it doesn't/shouldn't make a difference |
| 06:22.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no need for recursion, though |
| 06:22.10 | awk | ok cool |
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| 06:26.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, actually... you said the load rises lots? |
| 06:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does hdparm -d /dev/hdd say? |
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| 06:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | supposing it's hdd from the mountpoint |
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| 06:27.13 | kcin8 | how can i give a user access to mount /dev/sdb1 to a directory in his homedir with full rights? |
| 06:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a clear "depends" |
| 06:29.14 | kcin8 | just want to mount this second HDD on a normal user and have read/write to the partition |
| 06:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what filesystem, what's "full rights", his home is probably not the best place |
| 06:29.40 | kcin8 | ext3 |
| 06:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not mount it all the time? |
| 06:30.17 | sontek | is there an app I can run to get internet repos in apt now that i'm online? |
| 06:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can just... like... edit /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:30.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 06:30.45 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also |
| 06:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-spy |
| 06:30.50 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 06:30.56 | sontek | yeah, I just didn't know which to put in there |
| 06:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that crashed on me |
| 06:31.12 | kcin8 | sure that works too but i wanted to let the user mount it if possible |
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| 06:31.17 | kcin8 | not always need it on boot |
| 06:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't hurt if the drive runs anyway, though |
| 06:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it was an usb drive I'd say install usbmount... |
| 06:31.57 | kcin8 | yeah.. i guess i could try both and see |
| 06:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's pmount, or the 'user' option in fstab |
| 06:32.09 | kcin8 | nah its a second hdd |
| 06:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | the latter is probably more practical in this case |
| 06:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | man mount /Mount options for ext2 |
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| 06:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, don't see 'user' |
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| 06:35.21 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm, even if I use find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -name "*.WAV" -exec rm -f {} \; it says the argument list is to long |
| 06:35.23 | Arrowmaster | user is listed elsewhere since its available to all types |
| 06:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, err, that's not possible |
| 06:36.17 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: well maybe I have to specify files older than X date |
| 06:36.20 | awk | and then work my way down |
| 06:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arrowmaster, that's what I thought - but I heard that it doesn't work with the fuse drivers |
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| 06:36.46 | awk | -bash: /usr/bin/find: Argument list too long |
| 06:36.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, no, there *is* no argument list that is long there - you give "." as an argument to find and find gives a single filename to each rm |
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| 06:37.37 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: well its moaning :( |
| 06:37.58 | awk | I tested that string on another machine with 50 files, worked fine |
| 06:39.03 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: even if I add -ctime +270 i'm getting that |
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| 06:39.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you must be doing something else, then |
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| 06:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does 'type find' say? |
| 06:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 06:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 06:39.49 | syntaxx | is there a video conferencing application on linux? |
| 06:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, '*.WAV' (or leave the -name thing out completely) |
| 06:40.46 | awk | lol, sorry that was stupid of me |
| 06:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me steal from #bash... |
| 06:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, <greybot> "USE MORE QUOTES!" Learn the difference between " and ' and `. <http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/words> for why, <http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Quote.html> for how. |
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| 06:41.58 | awk | load is climbing 6.46 |
| 06:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there's no subdirectories to /mnt/hdd you want to keep, you can also just do rm -rf /mnt/hdd (and then recreate /mnt/hdd) |
| 06:42.09 | awk | 8.4 |
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| 06:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what does hdparm -d /dev/hdd say? |
| 06:42.31 | awk | 11.6 ok stopped it waiting for load to settle |
| 06:42.38 | awk | cant run voice over 5 |
| 06:43.26 | awk | let me pastebin as that box is on a vpn, 1 sec |
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| 06:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's 1 line |
| 06:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | "hdparm -d /dev/hdd |grep dma" if you like |
| 06:46.50 | awk | get nothing that states dma |
| 06:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the disk really /dev/hdd? |
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| 06:48.33 | awk | http://pastebin.com/m34055b5d |
| 06:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, all right, so it's probably sata disks... you just weirdly put it on /dev/hdd |
| 06:49.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | look if you get loads of IO errors in dmesg, though |
| 06:49.53 | aaron | can someone help me how do i insert a factoid to blootbot? |
| 06:50.05 | aaron | that I've download it some factoids so i can put them but i do not know how |
| 06:51.05 | awk | can't find any io errors in dmesg |
| 06:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk, (that would be a defective disk)... if that's not a problem, there's ionice |
| 06:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why you would get massive problems from a single find running... |
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| 06:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and of course there's nice, but rm's don't take much cpu, I guess |
| 06:52.46 | awk | the box is hectic loaded , so anything added on top just pushes the load up, I have allot of agi scripts on this box and now using fast_agi but need to update this box with new scripts, but can't take chance untill i've cleaned it out |
| 06:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, run it with nice/ionice |
| 06:53.33 | awk | ok, let me play with this |
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| 06:53.34 | aaron | that I've download it some factoids so i can put them but i do not know how |
| 06:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't matter if the load rises then... I think it's not such a great thing to measure anyway... but don't remember in detail |
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| 06:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | what the ...@!#$@#%^#@^$@#$^@#%@# |
| 06:56.12 | sontek | ok, I have networkmanager installed but its saying no devices found |
| 06:56.22 | sontek | even though iwlist scan shows the network |
| 06:56.50 | liable | read its readme in /usr/share/doc |
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| 06:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how can I get /usr/lib/libavformat.a [...] multiple definition of `file_protocol' |
| 06:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | when it's not defined in /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavformat/avformat.h, both of those are in libavformat-dev |
| 06:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can it occur in the runtime library, but not in the headers that belong to it |
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| 07:03.15 | sontek | liable: getting closer, that got me to be able to see networks, but now when it tries to connect it gets wlan0: link is not ready |
| 07:03.52 | liable | hmm, where does it give that output? |
| 07:03.53 | sontek | liable: dhcdbd: messenge_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason |
| 07:04.02 | sontek | in /var/log/messages |
| 07:04.03 | liable | urgh |
| 07:04.35 | liable | link is not ready isnt usually something to worry about |
| 07:04.47 | liable | its quite often seen when a device is brought up |
| 07:05.02 | sontek | yeah, it doesn't connect, just trying to figure out why |
| 07:05.05 | sontek | and thats all I saw |
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| 07:06.44 | liable | sontek: you did kill the wpa_supplicant you had running before? |
| 07:07.42 | sontek | I didn't |
| 07:08.15 | liable | look in ps and kill that process, then you might want to restrt NM |
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| 07:17.41 | sontek | haha, I forgot you guys call firefox iceweasel |
| 07:17.44 | sontek | I love that name |
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| 07:20.00 | yagoo | there an equivalent to "apt-cache policy" with aptitude? |
| 07:20.37 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: that's the equivalent |
| 07:21.49 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, what, aptitude policy <packagename> ? |
| 07:21.59 | yagoo | dondelelcaro, or keep using apt-cache policy? |
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| 07:22.14 | dondelelcaro | yagoo: keep using apt-cache policy |
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| 07:22.33 | yagoo | ok :) |
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| 07:23.17 | awk | CutMeOwnThroat: woohoooooo :) disabled all my cron scripts and now running our find command and working 100% load jumps up max 5 then down to 2.5 |
| 07:23.20 | awk | thanks allot! |
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| 07:48.35 | poonj | hey guys...I have a bunch of 3-pin case fans connected to a hardware sensor on my motherboard. What programs should I use to control the speed of the fans? |
| 07:49.02 | poonj | these aren't PWM enabled motherboards, but it seems to have software fan control capabilities... |
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| 07:50.21 | HTT-Bird | poonj, hmmm, lm-sensors might be able to help you with the sensor end |
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| 07:51.47 | poonj | HTT-Bird, yeah and I am able to see the RPM speed of the fans |
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| 07:52.13 | poonj | but I was wondering if there was a program to control the voltage levels of the fan |
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| 07:52.18 | HTT-Bird | yeah...not sure what you'd do to set the fan speed though |
| 07:52.42 | HTT-Bird | has a weird-o EC on this box that lm-sensors hates ;( |
| 07:52.43 | HTT-Bird | *:( |
| 07:52.57 | Farhadix | hi guys, I have shared my internet. I wanna users who connected me to use internet, they internet pass to tor, how can i do? |
| 07:54.06 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: I've got some references, let me check. |
| 07:54.33 | HTT-Bird | Arafangion, as for my EC? box is a Dell Vostro 1510 lappy |
| 07:55.05 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: Lets hope they're generic intructions. :) |
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| 07:56.36 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: Do you have APM? |
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| 07:56.52 | HTT-Bird | Arafangion, no, ACPI |
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| 07:57.48 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: Many of my links are dead. :( One of the surviving links is: http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/index.html |
| 07:58.24 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: I haven't used it, just did a bunch of research before giving up and thinking that it was a waste of time (I'm a programmer, not an administration geek) |
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| 07:59.00 | HTT-Bird | hmmm... |
| 07:59.01 | Arafangion | Ugh, looks that that is windows. \ |
| 07:59.10 | Arafangion | There's also: http://linux.die.net/man/1/i8kmon |
| 07:59.11 | HTT-Bird | well, the box seems to run just fine with the fan on autopilot |
| 07:59.22 | HTT-Bird | but I'd really want to be able to keep track of temps |
| 07:59.30 | Arafangion | That is the realm of lmsensors. |
| 07:59.39 | Arafangion | Also, you may have references to a 'thermal zone' in /proc |
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| 08:00.06 | HTT-Bird | yeah, and lmsensors doesn't like my box very much at all! |
| 08:00.13 | Arafangion | And finally, the third and last surviving link is about acpi, http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ |
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| 08:00.43 | Arafangion | i8kmon is promising, I believe |
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| 08:01.16 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: I'd look in /proc, as well, in any case. |
| 08:01.26 | Arafangion | One of the best plan9 features we took. :) |
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| 08:02.13 | HTT-Bird | Arafangion, no thermal zones |
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| 08:02.50 | Arafangion | HTT-Bird: I meant take a look, not a grep. ;) |
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| 08:05.32 | HTT-Bird | Arafangion, no trace of thermal sensors anywhere |
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| 08:20.49 | cads | debian dudes, is there any way to donate money to the debian foundation to show my gratitude? |
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| 08:30.43 | ethanol | good mornin' fellow internet users! |
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| 08:37.36 | kj4 | hello ethanol |
| 08:37.54 | kj4 | i too, am an internet user and sometimes abuser |
| 08:39.47 | joakim_ | morning ethanol |
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| 08:45.02 | ethanol | oh ok |
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| 08:46.34 | yagoo | brb |
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| 09:03.54 | fahadsadah | Is anyone here familiar with the internal workings of libpam-ldap? |
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| 09:04.59 | wonderwal | on an ext4 fs, running df -i will show the max number of files i can have on the fs, right? |
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| 09:06.49 | fahadsadah | Sortof |
| 09:06.53 | fahadsadah | Shows the number of inodes. |
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| 09:17.46 | CargolSS | how to mount my ext3 partition as ext2? |
| 09:17.50 | CargolSS | thank you |
| 09:18.13 | SlayerXP | CargolSS: mount -t ext2 .... |
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| 09:18.47 | SlayerXP | CargolSS: as typing your question directly into google would have told you |
| 09:19.23 | CargolSS | SlayerXP: and every time i restart my computer it will be used as ext2, right? |
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| 09:20.31 | HTT-Bird | CargolSS, no, you'd have to edit /etc/fstab for that one, although why are you doing this in the first place? |
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| 09:21.33 | CargolSS | HTT-Bird: well im trying to read ext3 from Window Xp |
| 09:21.38 | CargolSS | read write |
| 09:22.05 | HTT-Bird | CargolSS, ah. why not just use a FAT partition to shuttle things about? |
| 09:22.16 | HTT-Bird | *filesystem, doesn't have to be a partition :) |
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| 09:23.16 | CargolSS | HTT-Bird: because my hard is already loaded :D |
| 09:23.23 | CargolSS | full |
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| 09:23.50 | HTT-Bird | CargolSS, flash drive? |
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| 09:23.53 | HTT-Bird | memory card? |
| 09:23.55 | HTT-Bird | external HD? |
| 09:24.10 | CargolSS | nope, im poor :) |
| 09:25.07 | HTT-Bird | CargolSS, wow...not the <$10 for a small flash drive? |
| 09:25.26 | jimcooncat | CargolSS: I don't understand, why mount as ext2 in debian, when you want to mount it in Windows? |
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| 09:26.46 | CargolSS | jimcooncat: http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
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| 09:28.46 | jimcooncat | CargolSS: So wouldn't you want a clean unmount in Debian, start Windows, then use the fs-driver gui to mount? |
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| 09:29.39 | wonderwal | anyone using netgear readynas? |
| 09:29.47 | CargolSS | jimcooncat: im lost :( |
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| 09:29.57 | jimcooncat | CargolSS: or use the mountvol utility supplied by fs-driver |
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| 09:30.38 | jimcooncat | CargolSS: it's all in the faq, http://www.fs-driver.org/faq.html |
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| 09:31.45 | jimcooncat | CargolSS: you are dual-booting, correct? or using some virtualization setup? |
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| 09:32.09 | CargolSS | jimcooncat: dual |
| 09:32.37 | CargolSS | jimcooncat: so restart in Lenny, umount ... |
| 09:32.54 | CargolSS | and then mount from fs? |
| 09:33.10 | jimcooncat | yes. Then reboot to Win, and use your fs-driver gui to connect |
| 09:34.28 | jimcooncat | in the future, a regular reboot should give you a clean unmount, but I'd suggest a manual unmount this first time so you can spot any error messages |
| 09:35.15 | jimcooncat | if you have error messages when you unmount, you must fix your filesystem first before mounting from Windows |
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| 09:36.37 | CargolSS | jimcooncat: with e2fsck ? |
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| 09:36.51 | CargolSS | im suck a noob :) |
| 09:36.57 | bar__ | Hi, Do you recommend dotdeb packages for debian ? are they stable enough (PHP, php-fpm etc)? |
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| 09:37.14 | themill | !dotdeb |
| 09:37.14 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. |
| 09:37.28 | bar__ | !backports |
| 09:37.28 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:37.47 | bar__ | !backports.org |
| 09:37.47 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 09:37.58 | themill | bar__: feel free to /msg dpkg foo |
| 09:38.00 | jimcooncat | CargolSS: don't worry about e2fsck unless you need it, and if you do then get help |
| 09:38.23 | themill | bar__: what dpkg didn't say is that they are normally of poor quality and cause problems when upgrading. If you have problems with any packages and we see that you have dotdeb stuff on there, the first things we'll tell you to do is remove all of them |
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| 09:38.58 | bar__ | OK, and packages from backports are not poor quality ? It should be safe to install it @ debian lenny web server ? |
| 09:39.24 | themill | bar__: backports.org are generally much better tested. They are the debian packages for "testing" recompiled for lenny. |
| 09:39.29 | bar__ | I need PHP-FPM, but I don't know if I should compile from source and use debian lenny PHP package, or use a PHP-FPM package from dotdeb |
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| 09:40.35 | bar__ | !backport caveat |
| 09:40.36 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered |
| 09:40.54 | bar__ | !simple sid backport |
| 09:40.54 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 09:41.18 | themill | dpkg: tell bar__ about msg the bot |
| 09:41.19 | jimcooncat | bar__: if you compile from source then use checkinstall so you can uninstall later if it doesn't work well. (Unless the gurus here have a better method.) |
| 09:41.57 | bar__ | Thanks themill, and sorry . |
| 09:42.09 | bar__ | what's checkinstall ? |
| 09:42.11 | jimcooncat | bar__: simple sid backport also gives you that simple uninstall as well |
| 09:42.33 | bar__ | I need to install php5 + php-mysql + php-fpm |
| 09:42.58 | bar__ | dotdeb has that all packaged up. Should I avoid it and compile from source, even though it means I will not be able to upgrade ? |
| 09:42.59 | themill | since php-fpm doesn't seem to be in sid at all, that makes it all harder |
| 09:43.14 | jimcooncat | bar__: checkinstall is a tool that will make a .deb when you compile from source, so you can use a package manager to install/uninstall |
| 09:43.38 | bar__ | oh |
| 09:43.42 | bar__ | aptitude install checkinstall ? |
| 09:43.47 | jelly | eugh, better tell him to use dotdeb as a basis for a backport, than use checkinstall |
| 09:44.30 | bar__ | I can compile from source, it's not really a problem, but I just wanted to know if it's not better just to get dotdeb packages with upgrade support (with aptitude)( |
| 09:44.36 | jimcooncat | jelly thanks, I've only used checkinstall for some very simple packages |
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| 09:45.24 | jelly | bar__: based on previous encounter (albeit a few years back), I wouldn't trust dotdeb packaging as far as I can throw my computer |
| 09:45.33 | jelly | ymmv |
| 09:45.42 | bar__ | OK, what was the encounter ? :) |
| 09:45.49 | HTT-Bird | bar__, what is this php-fpm you speak of? |
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| 09:46.06 | jimcooncat | bar__: if you use dotdeb, you may want to look into apt-pinning so you only use the dotdeb packages you explicitly ask for |
| 09:46.08 | jelly | bar__: nothing much, just had to clean up after someone else installed that |
| 09:46.21 | jelly | the packaging was shoddy |
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| 09:47.07 | bar__ | HTT-Bird, It's the php-fpm fastcgi process manager, I use it with nginx web server to serve PHP pages |
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| 09:47.37 | HTT-Bird | ah |
| 09:47.56 | HTT-Bird | that's odd that it wouldn't be in the Debian repos at all |
| 09:48.01 | HTT-Bird | but then again, KDocker isn't either :p |
| 09:48.12 | jimcooncat | I'm surprised there isn't a supported package that would do the same thing |
| 09:48.47 | HTT-Bird | jimcooncat, in my case, there is: alltray |
| 09:48.55 | HTT-Bird | in bar's case, I'm not so sure... |
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| 09:50.09 | jimcooncat | I've been out of the loop on PHP, don't miss it. |
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| 09:52.52 | bar__ | Anyone knows why lenny only has nginx 0.6.32 ? |
| 09:52.59 | bar__ | current stable version of nginx is 0.7.xx |
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| 09:57.10 | iceroot | bar__: lenny == stable (so there is not the newest version but a very good tested one) |
| 09:58.23 | bar__ | iceroot: nginx 0.6.32 (which is included in lenny) is considered 'legacy' |
| 09:58.42 | bar__ | nginx 0.7xx is considered stable and nginx 0.8xx is considered in development |
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| 10:02.00 | dbbolton | according to the installation guide, 44MB of memory is required, but installtion on systems with less memory "may be possible". where can i find more documentation about this? |
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| 10:02.56 | iceroot | bar__: if a software is marked as stable, that does not mean its stable for debian (imo) |
| 10:03.23 | babilen | bar__: Do you need nginx 0.7? |
| 10:04.00 | HTT-Bird | yeah, I can agree with not upgrading gratuitously on some packages (nginx for instance) |
| 10:04.21 | HTT-Bird | but others force you to sync every so often (had trouble in the past with Ubuntu Jaunty's Nexuiz version being useless as it was too old :P) |
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| 10:06.02 | babilen | !tell bar__ -about ssb |
| 10:06.04 | babilen | !tell bar__ -about stable |
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| 10:19.51 | leejongwook | [Q] could anyone show me an example of 'apt-cache search' with two conditions ? ---> apt-cache search 'apple and grape' ? |
| 10:20.04 | blizzow | anybody here know how to get samba4 for squeeze? I tried compiling from source and it's giving me helll. |
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| 10:20.51 | Traveler25 | hello |
| 10:21.00 | Traveler25 | http://s8.gladiatus.fr/game/c.php?uid=113720 |
| 10:21.11 | Traveler25 | http://s8.gladiatus.fr/game/c.php?uid=113720 |
| 10:21.12 | Stereo | leejongwook: use aptitude search |
| 10:21.18 | leejongwook | don't know how to use 'and' with it |
| 10:21.22 | HTT-Bird | dpkg: ops |
| 10:21.22 | dpkg | i heard ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 10:21.37 | Stereo | leejongwook: see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 10:21.40 | HTT-Bird | dpkg ops Traveler25, spam?... |
| 10:21.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: htt-bird complains about: Traveler25, spam?... |
| 10:22.31 | Stereo | Traveler25: ce n'est pas vraiment l'endroit pour faire de la pub. Tu peux arreter stp ? |
| 10:23.14 | RichiH | HTT-Bird: thanks |
| 10:23.21 | HTT-Bird | RichiH, np. :) |
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| 10:23.34 | leejongwook | Stereo, thanks |
| 10:23.39 | RichiH | as payback, can you tell me what bandwidth normal TV takes when being streamed over the intertubes? |
| 10:23.55 | RichiH | ;) |
| 10:24.06 | HTT-Bird | RichiH, hmmm, depends on the codec...I take it you're running MPEG-2? |
| 10:25.15 | RichiH | HTT-Bird: we are not using any codec, yet |
| 10:25.21 | HTT-Bird | RichiH, ah. :) |
| 10:25.23 | RichiH | a customer just wants to have ballpark quotes |
| 10:25.40 | RichiH | he wants to stream to 200 clients for a few hours per week |
| 10:25.51 | RichiH | and i have no idea what that takes :) |
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| 10:26.40 | Stereo | RichiH: it depends on the quality and compatibility the client wants |
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| 10:26.58 | RichiH | tv quality or slightly less |
| 10:27.02 | rvsjoen | it's a simple equation without a codec, bitrate*time |
| 10:27.25 | Stereo | and it's live streaming? |
| 10:27.25 | HTT-Bird | a lot of bandwidth, that's for sure...uncompressed 8bpp video is nasty: over 200mbit/sec for 1 client @ 30frames/sec (640x480 is about TV res, right?) |
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| 10:27.45 | HTT-Bird | at that rate, you better have a darn good codec :) |
| 10:28.02 | Stereo | yeah, but mpeg-2 at dvd quality can take about 2 megs |
| 10:28.03 | rvsjoen | standard definition is 640x480, yes |
| 10:28.08 | HTT-Bird | yeah. :) |
| 10:28.19 | HTT-Bird | uncompressed is nasty. |
| 10:28.19 | Stereo | and h.264 can do better |
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| 10:29.13 | HTT-Bird | I so need to hit the sack though |
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| 10:29.27 | Stereo | good quality mpeg-2 takes around 3.5 |
| 10:29.47 | Stereo | and h.264 you can squeeze down to 1.5 |
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| 10:34.37 | slik__ | hello everybody.is there any similar text editor to the windows notepad++ in debian ? |
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| 10:36.26 | bahh | slik__> Gedit maybe ? |
| 10:36.26 | xyan | slik__: try bluefish maybe, or even gvim if you are familiar with vi |
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| 10:37.27 | debianite | Hi all, is java6 broken in Squeeze, the plugin doesn't work in my icewesel |
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| 10:37.48 | jimcooncat | slik__: I like Geany |
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| 10:38.13 | xyan | debianite: version of iceweasel? |
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| 10:40.01 | debianite | xyan: 3.5.6 and the one before was also broken, I'm usind Debian Squeeze amd64 |
| 10:40.15 | xyan | debianite: libjavaplugin_oji.so is for versoin 2.x only and does not work with 3.x use /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
| 10:41.19 | debianite | xyan: does that mean that I need to instal java6 32bit libraries? |
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| 10:42.23 | bahh | debianit> if you have Open JDK/JRE I recommend to drop it for now and use non-free Java from Sun |
| 10:43.28 | xyan | debianite: oh 3.5.6 you said, the libnpjp2.so is for 3.6 sorry. uhm yeah thats a different story i don't know the status on 64bit installations |
| 10:43.35 | xyan | debianite: does it list the plugin in about:config at all? |
| 10:43.39 | bahh | I experienced problems on it, it cannot run a basic app which catch WindowEvents |
| 10:43.45 | debianite | bahh: I think that's what I'm using now, I have java6-plugin installed |
| 10:43.56 | debianite | xyan: yes it does |
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| 10:45.16 | bahh | What I did is simply removing the java plugin from the Debian dist, and got the one from java.com |
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| 10:45.32 | debianite | xyan: If I teste it on java.com it trows an error |
| 10:46.17 | xyan | debianite: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-02/msg01178.html |
| 10:46.24 | debianite | bahh: I though about that, but if possible I want to keep it the Debian way |
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| 10:47.21 | bahh | debianite> ah ok ^^ |
| 10:48.56 | debianite | xyan: I don't understand, the plugin is in the amd64 repos but sun is yet to release a version for amd64??? |
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| 10:50.19 | xyan | debianite: the post is a bit outdated :/ |
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| 10:52.38 | debianite | xyan: if what to file a bug or search for one, which package should I file against? java6-plugin or java6-source? |
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| 10:53.12 | xyan | the plugin itself i guess |
| 10:53.14 | xyan | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2009-11/msg00751.html |
| 10:53.18 | xyan | look slike your problem |
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| 10:56.20 | debianite | xyan: Yes it does, thaks for your help, much apreciated :) |
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| 11:04.26 | topi` | H. Peter Anvin says: "Since 32 bits means that any machine with 1 GB more means HIGHMEM, the number of non-embedded machines that should run 32-bit kernels today is functionally the null set. " |
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| 11:04.42 | topi` | what does this actually mean? "1 GB more"?? |
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| 11:06.34 | themill | topi`: read that as "1GB or more", I suspect |
| 11:06.37 | jelly | topi`: likely supposed to read, "1GB or more" |
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| 11:06.58 | jelly | at least you didn't stumble on an Al Viro response |
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| 11:09.01 | jelly | I don't know the context, that quote might or might not be correct. |
| 11:09.19 | jelly | also, dammit, there's hardware today that's not 64bit capable! |
| 11:09.28 | themill | 1GB needs HIGHMEM so that sounds about right |
| 11:10.21 | jelly | once upon a time we had kernels with different userspace:kernelspace vm splits |
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| 11:11.11 | jelly | this made things like wine or dosemu unhappy, but... who cared |
| 11:12.39 | koowgnojeel | Stereo, :) ---> aptitude search "?description(text-based) and ?description(game)" |
| 11:12.43 | koowgnojeel | hi jelly :P |
| 11:12.58 | jelly | hi person that I do not remember! |
| 11:13.12 | koowgnojeel | :P |
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| 11:13.53 | jelly | themill: the conclusion does not follow from the premise, so it doesn't sound right |
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| 11:14.18 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 11:14.21 | jelly | ah! |
| 11:14.30 | jelly | IT'S YOU |
| 11:14.41 | leejongwook | @_@ <-- ? |
| 11:14.46 | themill | stops jelly from running away |
| 11:14.52 | leejongwook | :) |
| 11:14.59 | jelly | How are you gentlemen |
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| 11:16.14 | leejongwook | http://cfs6.tistory.com/image/11/tistory/2008/03/18/18/02/47df852165c0a <-- i love this :P 5 cents each |
| 11:16.34 | ceu | is debian testing usable as production mailserver, now? |
| 11:16.35 | leejongwook | especially grape one :P |
| 11:16.40 | themill | leejongwook: wrong channel? |
| 11:16.49 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 11:17.24 | ceu | (or is it too risky?) |
| 11:17.35 | themill | dpkg: tell ceu about moving target |
| 11:17.52 | themill | ceu: definitely not recommended (apart from anything, there's no security support yet) |
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| 11:18.20 | ceu | ok, it's a faq, sorry :-) |
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| 11:18.30 | xro | hi, |
| 11:18.56 | xro | i would like to configure openvpn-auth-ldap... is there a package in debian? |
| 11:19.00 | ceu | maybe I could use debian + dovecot backports |
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| 11:19.18 | ceu | debian stable |
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| 11:23.26 | xro | someone can help me to install auth-ldap on debian? |
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| 11:35.48 | xro | nobody never installed auth-ldap??? |
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| 11:37.12 | babilen_ | xro: Ask a specific question. Outline the error(s) you get. Paste relevant log files/output to a pastebin, ... yadda yadda |
| 11:38.40 | xro | babilen, i try this command ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-openldap= --with-openvpn=/usr/ports/security/openvpn/work/openvpn-2.0.2, but i would like to know what is "--with-openldap=" |
| 11:39.17 | babilen | any reason why you want to compile it yourself? |
| 11:39.42 | babilen | I would think that '--with-openldap=' specifies the path to the openldap libraries |
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| 11:40.46 | babilen | xro: Ah - openvpn-auth-ldap is not in stable. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:40.47 | xro | babilen, because i didn't find this package in apt |
| 11:40.55 | themill | ,versions openvpn-auth-ldap |
| 11:40.57 | judd | openvpn-auth-ldap -- sid: 2.0.3-1; squeeze: 2.0.3-1 |
| 11:41.53 | xro | so what that means? |
| 11:42.13 | xro | i have to compile it myself? |
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| 11:42.32 | babilen | xro: The package is available in squeeze/sid - You can create your own backport from these packages. /msg dpkg ssb - to learn how to do this |
| 11:43.33 | xro | babilen, ok thanks... i'll try it |
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| 11:52.34 | schmrz | Hello Everyone! Is it okey to post questions about authorized_keys and key authentication over ssh here? |
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| 11:53.35 | themill | If you're doing it with debian, sure. |
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| 11:55.31 | schmrz | Well, I have one user (gitdog) and in the .ssh folder I have authorized_keys file. I have two keys in that file. But I can't connect using them... |
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| 11:56.42 | schmrz | Those two keys are used for other users on the same system if that helps... |
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| 11:57.21 | schmrz | I basically have three users. Two of them have configured publick key authentication. And I want them both to have access to the third user account using the same keys they use for their accounts. |
| 11:57.27 | schmrz | Is this possible? |
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| 11:57.51 | themill | most likely a permissions problem on $HOME, $HOME./ssh/ $HOME/.ssh/* |
| 11:58.48 | schmrz | authorized_keys is chmoded with 600 |
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| 12:01.51 | themill | schmrz: there's more to it than just that |
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| 12:01.54 | themill | !ssh permissions |
| 12:01.54 | dpkg | You cannot use your ssh key if the permissions are set on your client so that someone else can steal it or if the permissions on the remote machine permit someone else adding keys. On the client: chmod 755 ~/; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa. On the server: On the client: chmod 755 ~/; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 12:03.14 | themill | goes to fix that factoid |
| 12:03.28 | schmrz | :) |
| 12:03.47 | themill | (just the extra "On the client" in the middle |
| 12:04.12 | schmrz | Doesn't that get configured with ssh-keygen? |
| 12:04.58 | themill | I don't now that ssh-keygen touches permissions at all, at least not on ~/.ssh etc |
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| 12:05.41 | databeestje_d630 | Hi there |
| 12:05.53 | schmrz | themill: Ok, thanks! |
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| 12:06.03 | databeestje_d630 | I'm having some issues installing on a SuperMicro Barebone with a 8DTN+ mainboard. |
| 12:06.18 | databeestje_d630 | The installer boots, and the kernel reports being alive but it's hanging there |
| 12:06.28 | databeestje_d630 | it is not showing any disks |
| 12:06.43 | databeestje_d630 | Unfortunately |
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| 12:07.47 | zxcvbs | hi anyone tried virtualization, on a vps hosting? |
| 12:09.15 | databeestje_d630 | zxcvbs: If the vps is already a virtual machine, that will prove tricky |
| 12:09.26 | databeestje_d630 | IP address issues not withstanding |
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| 12:22.36 | thenthenio | Just installed debian netinst on an old Pentium PC (taskselected as printer server): after reboot I get: FATAL: error inserting fan - WARINIG: error inseting processor - FATAL: error inserting thermal. Then the boot stops for minutes and then drops to initramfs prompt... Please help! |
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| 12:23.15 | thenthenio | The whole setup process went flawlessly |
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| 12:26.18 | p3rror | hello |
| 12:26.25 | p3rror | i've installed mod_usbswitch |
| 12:26.33 | p3rror | and wvdial |
| 12:26.47 | p3rror | to connect my 3g sumsung modem |
| 12:27.04 | p3rror | but ot /dev/ttyACM0 present |
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| 12:29.35 | sylar | how to monitor bandwidth trough a specific NIC? |
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| 12:30.01 | sylar | (used bandwidtn) |
| 12:30.35 | rvsjoen | just currently used bandwidth ? or do you want to plot it ? |
| 12:31.02 | sylar | rvsjoen, any option, but I have 2 nics I want just one |
| 12:31.03 | databeestje_d630 | iptraf? |
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| 12:31.14 | databeestje_d630 | aptitude install iptraf |
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| 12:31.24 | thenthenio | Just installed debian netinst on an old Pentium PC (taskselected as printer server): after reboot I get: FATAL: error inserting fan - WARINIG: error inseting processor - FATAL: error inserting thermal. Then the boot stops for minutes and then drops to initramfs prompt... Please help! |
| 12:31.36 | thenthenio | The whole setup process went flawlessly... |
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| 12:31.41 | databeestje_d630 | get a newer PC or try to find a bios update |
| 12:31.46 | rvsjoen | sylar: bwm-ng will give you real-time per interface stats |
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| 12:32.30 | thenthenio | databeestje_d630: No problems at all during setup |
| 12:32.34 | dummies_freelanc | hello, i try use simple-cdd |
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| 12:33.01 | dummies_freelanc | but how make the file NOMBRE.packages |
| 12:33.12 | dummies_freelanc | i need understand this. |
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| 12:39.28 | Stereo | thenthenio: boot with acpi=off as a parameter |
| 12:39.46 | thenthenio | Stereo: k |
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| 12:44.05 | thenthenio | Stereo: edited grub boot line: acpi=off -> no effect, same result :-( |
| 12:44.49 | Stereo | :( |
| 12:44.52 | Stereo | dunno then |
| 12:45.12 | thenthenio | thank you anyway! |
| 12:45.40 | Stereo | if you're just looking for a print server, a small router running openwrt would use less electricity and have a higher cool factor :) |
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| 12:56.03 | thenthenio | I tried selecting single user mode line and there I can see the boot process... the process stops at Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... then, after few minutes: Gave up waiting root filesystem! |
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| 12:57.14 | thenthenio | Strange because the kernel itself was read from the same disk :O |
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| 13:02.02 | sylar | My system became slow, load avarage is 1 to 2 in a quad core. In a quad 2 should be OK right? |
| 13:02.17 | databeestje_d630 | Check for heavy disk io |
| 13:02.35 | databeestje_d630 | vmstat 1 |
| 13:02.38 | databeestje_d630 | or iostat |
| 13:02.51 | databeestje_d630 | or sar if you have it |
| 13:02.51 | sylar | k |
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| 13:06.44 | sylar | What does vmstat give me? the number of operations since boot? |
| 13:07.32 | jelly | sylar: run vmstat 1, see for yourself |
| 13:09.36 | sylar | k, I ran -D , and -d before |
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| 13:10.23 | jelly | that's not very useful |
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| 13:12.27 | sylar | OK, I have some bo from 12 to 2400 |
| 13:12.44 | sylar | usually 239 |
| 13:13.12 | sylar | but it matters if these are continuous blocks or not |
| 13:13.37 | sylar | continuous blocks can be performed really fast |
| 13:13.49 | databeestje_d630 | If you see large number in either bi or bo you have a high wave of incoming disk io |
| 13:14.18 | sylar | bi is 0 or 1 |
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| 13:14.24 | databeestje_d630 | That's low. |
| 13:14.35 | databeestje_d630 | That would mean you are limited by CPU power, not disk or ram |
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| 13:15.10 | sylar | bo however is around 200 on avarage from whjat I can avarage visually |
| 13:15.53 | jelly | sylar: that's low. Do you have constantly nonzero r(ead) or b(locked) columns? |
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| 13:16.42 | leg- | when trying to make a rar archive of a file I am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/d38f431b5 |
| 13:16.51 | sindhudweep | I'm trying to fix a debian/watch file, and it seems as though uscan is picking up directory permissions, uid, gid as well as the version number. This is over ftp. Am I missing something obvious? http://pastebin.com/m308614de |
| 13:16.53 | sylar | b is mostly 0 |
| 13:16.54 | leg- | cant find a solution on google |
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| 13:17.29 | rvsjoen | leg-: two questions, what command did you use, and why are you using rar |
| 13:17.31 | sylar | in 5 there are some numbers from 0 to 4 |
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| 13:17.49 | sylar | sorry, in r there are some numbers from 0 to 4 |
| 13:18.01 | jelly | leg-: that's weird. What's the destination filesystem type? Is it full perhaps? Can you strace the process to see what the actual error was? |
| 13:18.24 | leg- | jelly the destination filetype is a mount (virtualbox mount) |
| 13:18.24 | wols_ | sylar: rar is non-free software. ask rarlabs about their shit, nothing debian can do about errors with it |
| 13:18.27 | leg- | it is not full |
| 13:18.45 | leg- | what do you mean with strace the process? |
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| 13:19.10 | jelly | leg-: I don't know what a virtualbox mount is, but it sounds like a hack and you should probably ask the virtualbox people |
| 13:19.20 | wols_ | as for raring an avi, that's just a waste of cpu cycles. avi is already compressed (usually an mpeg codec) |
| 13:19.21 | jelly | !strace |
| 13:19.21 | dpkg | it has been said that strace is a system call tracing utility or a way to produce lots and lots of cryptic text. Most usefully called with something like "strace -f -F -e open -o logfile program_you_want_to_monitor" (-e open just monitors opened files - omit this option or consult the manpage for alternatives if you want to monitor anything else) |
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| 13:19.37 | liable | useless for non-devs |
| 13:19.38 | leg- | wols_ its about having them together in a file, not compressing |
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| 13:19.59 | leg- | jelly let me try to rar it from an internal partition |
| 13:20.09 | wols_ | jelly: vbox is a VM, GPLed. it has "shared folders" via SMB/CIFS |
| 13:20.15 | jelly | leg-: does the final file size exceed, say, 4GB? |
| 13:20.26 | leg- | nope |
| 13:20.40 | leg- | its about 200MB |
| 13:20.55 | jelly | wols_: I know what vbox is, and I still think vboxsf issues are best asked in #vbox |
| 13:21.16 | wols_ | after oracle bought it, good luck finding someone in there |
| 13:21.43 | jelly | leg-: right, it would be nice to verify if it happens on a proper local filesystem |
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| 13:23.14 | jelly | wols_: that's... interesting. It was chockful of developers before (and soem were even active during Europe work hours) |
| 13:23.58 | jelly | I guess it's a good guess I've migrated back to vmware |
| 13:24.14 | sylar | iostat say Blk_read/s =10 BLk_wrtn/s=87 |
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| 13:25.07 | sylar | %iowait 0.45 |
| 13:25.09 | ravenbird | sylar: no idea |
| 13:25.12 | jelly | sylar: if there are at least some 0 in both r and b, your machine isn't IO limited |
| 13:25.50 | sylar | ok, and load of 2 for a quad should be OK, right? |
| 13:26.09 | jelly | sylar: that means two cores are idle, so, yes. |
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| 13:26.45 | jelly | !tell sylar about loadavg |
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| 13:27.11 | leg- | you were right jelly it seems to be a vboxsf filesystem problem |
| 13:27.12 | jelly | sylar: load average isn't a good measure of cpu utilization |
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| 13:27.21 | leg- | its working properly on a ext3 partition |
| 13:27.29 | bohne | why does that happen: http://pastebin.com/m45f32c8 |
| 13:27.38 | bohne | the package does not have a preinst |
| 13:27.42 | jelly | leg-: I guess you can try cp-ing it to vboxsf after it's finished |
| 13:27.50 | sylar | I have no idea |
| 13:28.03 | leg- | yeah that would be a workaround |
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| 13:28.22 | jelly | leg-: or use a real network filesystem like nfs or samba if it doesn't work at all |
| 13:28.29 | jelly | or |
| 13:28.31 | jelly | !nctar |
| 13:28.57 | jelly | nhandler: please stop responding to ! commands in this channel |
| 13:29.03 | jelly | !tarnc |
| 13:29.21 | jelly | hmm |
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| 13:32.10 | jelly | !ssh tar |
| 13:32.10 | dpkg | methinks ssh tar is what we use when we don't have rsync. cd /somewhere; tar cf - . | ssh me@remotebox 'cd /somewhere && tar xvf -' |
| 13:32.16 | jelly | that's good enough I guess |
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| 13:34.36 | jelly | dpkg, nctar is Copying stuff on trusted network, on destination: "nc -l -p 49152 | tar xvf -", on source: "tar cf - <stuff to copy> | nc destination 49152", and see also <ssh tar> |
| 13:34.36 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 13:36.01 | hipodils1i | hi guys I'm trying to setup virtualhosting on debian lenny 5.04 for some reason unsuccesfully all seems to be fine what however everytime I try to open any of the configured virtualhosts the default one is opened |
| 13:36.07 | hipodils1i | any idea what could be wrong |
| 13:36.10 | jelly | sylar: any loadavg less then 1 * number-of-cores means there are less processes asking for cpu than there are cores, so at least soem cores are completely idle |
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| 13:36.31 | hipodils1i | and yes it shows me the "It works!" page I have no clue where does it set it to show from |
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| 13:43.00 | tellurian | hipodils1i: you're using apache2 I presume ? What do the logfiles say ? |
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| 13:43.51 | Thkx | hi, i have debian installet in raid1, with linux-image-xen...but at boot, when i select linux-image-xen...there is this message: you must load kernel first...what can i do? (grub2) |
| 13:43.58 | hipodils1i | tellurian: yes I'm using apache2 |
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| 13:44.31 | hipodils1i | tellurian: log files doesn't say nothing unusual |
| 13:44.39 | linduxed | im currently using lenny stable, but i think ill need to install a newer version of centerim than the one that is abailable |
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| 13:44.41 | hipodils1i | it seems like simply the other vhosts are not red at all |
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| 13:44.43 | linduxed | *available |
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| 13:45.11 | linduxed | i want to know what the proper way of obtaining and installing newer packages is |
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| 13:45.26 | wols_ | linduxed: a backport is |
| 13:45.36 | linduxed | wols_: which is...? |
| 13:45.44 | froosch | hey people,, where do i normally define what to happen when the notebook lid is closed, debian 5.0.4 |
| 13:45.44 | wols_ | !tell linduxed about backports |
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| 13:46.26 | tellurian | hipodils1i: are the vhost configurations in /etc/apache2/sites-available enabled ? |
| 13:46.32 | linduxed | wols_: thx, will check |
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| 13:46.52 | hipodils1i | tellurian: yes! |
| 13:46.53 | nukedclx_ | anyone know which package contains pam headers needed by openssh? |
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| 13:47.18 | hipodils1i | debian:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# ls |
| 13:47.18 | hipodils1i | 000-default@ cadiabank.com@ cadiaholding.com@ cadiainsurance.com@ cadiaos.com@ test.cadiaholding.com@ |
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| 13:48.18 | wols_ | nukedclx_: apt-get build-dep |
| 13:48.40 | nukedclx_ | okey |
| 13:49.13 | froosch | oh, nvm, found it. maybe it even works following the last 3 upgrades that totally changed system behaviour anywhere else |
| 13:49.24 | matt2 | hello, how can i disable the "smoothing" of screen fonts ? its ugly on an LCD. |
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| 13:49.49 | k23z__ | would you guys consider including this patch into the GNU screen that you distribute ? |
| 13:49.52 | k23z__ | http://scie.nti.st/2008/8/22/gnu-screen-with-vertical-split-support |
| 13:49.55 | k23z__ | thanks |
| 13:50.10 | aburch | k23z__: I suggest filing a bug on http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 13:50.14 | wols_ | k23z__: file a wishlist bug |
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| 13:51.29 | tellurian | hipodils1i: http://paste.debian.net/60257/ |
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| 13:52.43 | themill | !tell k23z__ about reportbug |
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| 13:54.02 | hipodils1i | tellurian: http://paste.debian.net/60257/ |
| 13:54.21 | linduxed | wols_: i didn't find centerim in the backports |
| 13:54.51 | hipodils1i | tellurian: for some reason always the default configuration is opening |
| 13:55.31 | hipodils1i | I mean even if I wipe the 000-default I have configured then the first one as a file is read and visualized nomatter what kind of virtualhost I access |
| 13:55.36 | wols_ | linduxed: read the factoid: See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:56.29 | tellurian | hipodils1i: that _does_ seem odd. Thinking... |
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| 13:58.28 | hipodils1i | tellurian: it's really odd seriously :| |
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| 14:00.21 | hipodils1i | tellurian: I can see the virtualhosts configured using apache2ctl -S |
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| 14:01.47 | k23z__ | wols_: wow you guys make it so hard to report a bug you make me want to give it up altogether |
| 14:01.54 | k23z__ | aburch: wow you guys make it so hard to report a bug you make me want to give it up altogether |
| 14:02.14 | k23z__ | give me a damn link where I can paste my fucking link with the patch and get over with it |
| 14:02.32 | themill | k23z__: how is running "reportbug" hard? |
| 14:02.34 | k23z__ | I know it's debian and it's bureaucratic but I don't have time for this shit.. I need to report the bug and get on with my stuff |
| 14:02.44 | k23z__ | themill: I wasn't talking to you ok ? |
| 14:02.58 | themill | k23z__: less with the swearing and telling us what to do. |
| 14:03.17 | k23z__ | themill: hey listen dude I didn't talk to you, so just mind your own business |
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| 14:03.25 | thenthenio | Just installed debian netinst on an old Pentium PC (taskselected as printer server): after reboot I get: FATAL: error inserting fan - WARINIG: error inseting processor - FATAL: error inserting thermal. Then the boot stops for minutes and then drops to initramfs prompt... Please help! |
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| 14:03.32 | thenthenio | The whole setup process went flawlessly... |
| 14:03.38 | aburch | k23z__: Then don't report a bug. I don't care. |
| 14:04.00 | themill | k23z__: take a break from #debian to calm down, read some documentation and work out how you can participate in debian. If you want something changed in a package, then you need to ask for it yourself. |
| 14:04.06 | thenthenio | I tried selecting single user mode line and there I can see the boot process... the process stops at Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... then, after few minutes: Gave up waiting root filesystem! |
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| 14:06.11 | hipodils1i | tellurian: I've fixed it! |
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| 14:06.34 | tellurian | hipodils1i: w00t! what was the problem ? |
| 14:06.39 | hipodils1i | my default virtualhost file has to include NameVirtualHost * instead of NameVirtualHost *:80 |
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| 14:06.46 | hipodils1i | ghah:| |
| 14:07.00 | tellurian | hipodils1i: heh .. it happens ;-) |
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| 14:08.11 | ewet | hi, I installed drupal6 through apt and used it for a time as a pim. now I tried to access this site vie wifi from my phone and I realized that all links on the site are pointing to localhost instead of the ip number. Where can I change that? is it apache or drupal? |
| 14:08.13 | hipodils1i | tellurian: I assume this is a bug in apache or debian |
| 14:08.32 | xand | ewet: I expect it's in drupal. |
| 14:08.49 | xand | unless your vhosts are setup oddly |
| 14:08.54 | hipodils1i | tellurian: same configuration is working on another debian etch 4.0 |
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| 14:10.15 | The_Eccentric | anyone used eggdrop in deb before? |
| 14:10.17 | ewet | xand, where is my vhost config on a debian system (the whole apache config seems to splitted up..) |
| 14:10.37 | xand | ewet: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 14:10.55 | wols_ | !tell The_Eccentric about anyone |
| 14:11.00 | tellurian | hipodils1i: not sure it's as simple as drawing the conclusion that it's a bug. Might be worth reading the README.Debian.gz or CHANGELOG files that came with apache2 on Lenny to see if any mention is made about syntactic changes. |
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| 14:11.24 | ChrisW | hey all, anyone know how to get gpg to list the trust levels assocaited with each key? |
| 14:11.34 | ewet | xand, btw is that the upstream method to configure apache or does debian do something special in splitting it all up? |
| 14:11.39 | The_Eccentric | thanx for pointing out The_Eccentric 's incompentence |
| 14:12.02 | xand | ewet: dunno |
| 14:12.04 | tellurian | hipodils1i: that it works in one environment does not dictate it will work the same way in another :-) |
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| 14:12.25 | wols_ | tellurian: nor does it show that it was correct in the working environment in the first place |
| 14:12.40 | tellurian | wols_: good point :-) |
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| 14:14.33 | tellurian | ChrisW: man gpg for more. you might be looking for --list-sigs |
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| 14:16.04 | ChrisW | tellurian: well, yeah, I tried that, btu list-sigs gave the same otuput ebfore and after I'd adjusetd the trust level fo two of the keys |
| 14:16.09 | ewet | xand, okay my vhost config pretty much seems to be debian default http://pastebin.com/f319c407d at least I cannot see anything that points to my problem. Am I right? |
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| 14:18.17 | tellurian | ChrisW: and after the change the flags assigning trust value remain the same ? |
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| 14:19.44 | Ryushin | Well, I haven't had to configure my sound on my laptop for the last couple of years. No it seems that alsaconf is deprecated. What command replaces it? |
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| 14:21.16 | ChrisW | tellurian: the whole outptu remained the same |
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| 14:21.26 | Gandalf84 | Hi |
| 14:21.46 | ChrisW | I cant' even see anything that looks like a trust level... |
| 14:21.50 | Gandalf84 | Just installed Debian 5.0.4, but when i boot it tells me that no OS are installed |
| 14:22.16 | Gandalf84 | Try with a live distro....and no /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX are present in the Debian partition |
| 14:22.16 | lmaowaffle | hi guys, i've been away from my debian box for a few months now. I've noticed glxinfo|grep OpenGL output now shows hardware DRI. Is this the case? I've a radeonhd card |
| 14:22.22 | Gandalf84 | how this is possible? |
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| 14:23.02 | ootput | lmaowaffle: I believe so, for the xserver-xorg-video-ati package |
| 14:23.12 | ootput | in sid, at least |
| 14:23.17 | Gandalf84 | the /boot/grub/default is empty |
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| 14:23.48 | abrotman | Gandalf84: /dev/ is dynamic |
| 14:23.58 | abrotman | Gandalf84: so when you boot debian, what happens ? |
| 14:24.13 | Gandalf84 | the PC doesn't boot.... it tells "Missing OS" |
| 14:24.19 | Gandalf84 | and stops itself |
| 14:24.34 | tellurian | ChrisW: hmm. I modified a key with --edit-key <name> and used the tsign command. Afterwards, --list-sigs shows the numerical flag as expected. Not sure what else could be happening for you :| |
| 14:24.38 | Gandalf84 | this is the second time i try to install it and the same thing happens |
| 14:25.05 | openmind | Hello Maybe someone know how to make aptitude search line in description too, not only package names? |
| 14:25.24 | abrotman | openmind: look in the aptitude manual .. aptitude search "~dfooterm" |
| 14:25.31 | tellurian | ChrisW: is it possible that the keys / sigs which do not show a trust level have never been tsigned with another key before ? |
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| 14:26.07 | openmind | ok thank you, abrotman |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | openmind: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 14:26.18 | Gandalf84 | abrotman, any ideas? |
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| 14:27.41 | abrotman | Gandalf84: are there any errors during install? anything special about your setup ? |
| 14:27.50 | Gandalf84 | no |
| 14:27.54 | Gandalf84 | no errors |
| 14:28.00 | Gandalf84 | no special |
| 14:28.19 | ChrisW | tellurian: I used --edit-key and used the "trust" command with a level of 5 |
| 14:28.20 | Ryushin | abrotman: Long time no see. Well, that's mostly my fault for being so busy. |
| 14:28.25 | ChrisW | where should that change show up? |
| 14:28.31 | abrotman | Ryushin: hiya! |
| 14:28.34 | Gandalf84 | it partition my disk automatically |
| 14:28.41 | abrotman | Gandalf84: so nothing like swraid or lvm or encryption? |
| 14:28.48 | Gandalf84 | no |
| 14:29.01 | Gandalf84 | just swap + / |
| 14:29.08 | abrotman | Gandalf84: is there anything in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 14:29.20 | Gandalf84 | wait... |
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| 14:30.07 | Ryushin | abrotman: As usual. When I show up, it's because I have a question. Do you know the new method to configure alsa since alsconf is missing? |
| 14:30.14 | Gandalf84 | yes |
| 14:30.27 | Gandalf84 | default is debian |
| 14:30.36 | abrotman | Ryushin: not supposed to be needed .. install alsa-utils/linux-sound-base .. /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 14:30.46 | abrotman | Gandalf84: try to specify that config file to grub |
| 14:30.52 | abrotman | Gandalf84: when grub boots, you can have it read a file |
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| 14:31.11 | Gandalf84 | the problem is that i don't see grub when PC starts |
| 14:31.29 | Gandalf84 | i see just "Missing Operating System" |
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| 14:31.52 | tellurian | ChrisW: I'm not an expert with gpg so I'm not sure... according to the man page tsign and trust commands are different. and --list-sigs seems to indicate the link between tsign and the trust level flags in its own output. But I'm honeslty not sure why there would be a difference. |
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| 14:31.55 | linduxed | what is the line i add for sid? |
| 14:32.06 | wols_ | Gandalf84: then grub is not installed |
| 14:32.08 | linduxed | i know it should start with deb-src |
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| 14:32.38 | wols_ | Gandalf84: where do you install grub to? |
| 14:32.48 | Gandalf84 | wols_ the debian installation does |
| 14:32.50 | Gandalf84 | in MBR |
| 14:33.14 | wols_ | not in MBR. if you would, there'd be no "missing operating system" |
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| 14:33.33 | matt2 | in the wrong disk maybe |
| 14:33.43 | Gandalf84 | i try to follow this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.html |
| 14:33.49 | wols_ | rescue boot your debian with the install cd and reinstall grub with grub-install |
| 14:33.51 | Gandalf84 | but there is no /dev/sda |
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| 14:34.48 | Gandalf84 | how i can do it? |
| 14:34.52 | wols_ | Gandalf84: that page is utterly wrong |
| 14:35.14 | wols_ | which partition is your / ? |
| 14:35.14 | Gandalf84 | i tryed installing debian 2 times....and the problem is the same |
| 14:35.17 | daltio111 | guys i want to mount a usb in debain like mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask0222 /dev/sda1 /test |
| 14:35.28 | daltio111 | i gives read n execute on test foder |
| 14:35.37 | fnmrwick | Gandalf84: I've only had that message when there is a problem with the hardware, are you sure everything is plugged in and set right in the bios? |
| 14:35.39 | daltio111 | how i make /test as write |
| 14:35.51 | Gandalf84 | wols_: /dev/sda3 |
| 14:35.56 | wols_ | daltio111: use ntfsmount or ntfs-3g |
| 14:36.08 | Gandalf84 | fnmrwick: yes, no problem, i used ubuntu until yesterday |
| 14:36.32 | wols_ | Gandalf84: there is an advanced option in the lenny cd boot menu where you can boot the CD kernel and give it a kernel parameter. the parameter needs to be root=/dev/sda3 |
| 14:36.38 | thenthenio | how to get available kernel releases for choosing which of the m to install? |
| 14:36.57 | wols_ | thenthenio: apt-cache search linux-image |grep linux-image |
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| 14:37.17 | ChrisW | tellurian: well, the problem is that there's wasn't a difference in the output *at all* after I edited the key ;-) |
| 14:37.19 | wols_ | Gandalf84: this will boot yourdebian installation normally |
| 14:37.22 | thenthenio | wols_: tkx ;-) |
| 14:37.26 | Gandalf84 | wols_: now i'm with ubuntu live cd, i make chroot /dev/sda3 |
| 14:37.35 | Gandalf84 | but no /dev/sda is present |
| 14:37.47 | wols_ | Gandalf84: don't. you need to bind mount your /dev before chrooting |
| 14:38.00 | wols_ | otherwise, as you noticed, there is no /dev/ entry |
| 14:38.41 | Gandalf84 | mm..with ubuntu live i see the drive...i see the files...it is mounted |
| 14:39.11 | wols_ | then bind mount your /dev into the mounted debian install partition |
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| 14:39.34 | Gandalf84 | wait....sorry but i don't understand...my english is not so well... |
| 14:39.54 | wols_ | under which directory is your debian mounted? |
| 14:39.56 | Gandalf84 | if i use the debian installation cd....the will be a /dev/sda? |
| 14:39.58 | tellurian | ChrisW: true. which, coming back to your original query, means I'm not sure if there is a way. At least, the only reference I can find to an output of a value of trust is with --list-sigs ... and it seems that this value is affected only with the use of tsign and not trust. I could be very wrong but that seems to me to be the case. I guess there's a subtle distinction between trust and trust-signature ? Sorry :-( |
| 14:40.25 | ChrisW | well, you're not the author, so it's nto your fault ;-) |
| 14:40.33 | ChrisW | but yeah, it su)( :-) |
| 14:40.48 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm trying to build the iwlagn module on lenny, but I'm getting some compilation errors, can someone help? http://pastebin.com/me49c12 |
| 14:41.17 | wols_ | monkey_d_luffy: fyi, intel wlan nics are supported out of the box |
| 14:41.32 | themill | monkey_d_luffy: what chipset do you have there? |
| 14:41.42 | abrotman | Gandalf84: did you install grub to the MBR or somewhere else ? |
| 14:41.48 | monkey_d_luffy | wols_: on a 2.6.26 kernel? i don't think so, that only went in debian kernel's in 2.6.27 |
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| 14:42.03 | wols_ | !tell monkey_d_luffy about kmuto |
| 14:42.21 | monkey_d_luffy | wols_: besides I searched /lib/modules for iwlagn and nothing poped up |
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| 14:42.42 | atula | hello. I am trying to set up fail2ban. i have a few questions if anyone have some thoughts: I put mta = exim, does that do it for email sending or do I need to set up other things? |
| 14:43.47 | monkey_d_luffy | wols_: that doesn't work for my, my kernel is 2.6.26 |
| 14:43.47 | themill | monkey_d_luffy: precisely what chipset do you have? Many are supported quite happily in lenny's kernel while some are not. lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 14:43.47 | monkey_d_luffy | *for me |
| 14:43.47 | Gandalf84 | abrotman: MBR |
| 14:44.32 | monkey_d_luffy | themill: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5300 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection I already installed the firmware from debian packages but I'm still missing the iwlagn module |
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| 14:45.33 | monkey_d_luffy | I already installede the kernel headers, so I don't know what the problem is |
| 14:45.36 | themill | monkey_d_luffy: the 2.6.30 kernel and linux-firmware packages from backports.org is sufficient for that, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 14:46.04 | themill | monkey_d_luffy: the chances of randomly backporting a wifi module to an earlier kernel is essentially 0. This stuff changes too fast for that. |
| 14:46.31 | HTT-Bird | monkey_d_luffy, be glad that you got Intel :) |
| 14:47.12 | HTT-Bird | and your system mfgr didn't foist a Broadcrap or smth like that on you. |
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| 14:48.12 | monkey_d_luffy | themill: I have 2.6.26 and I'll not upgrade the kernel. just one day ago I tried it and it broke my loop-aes encrypted system. I just want to build that damn kernel module: iwlagn |
| 14:48.27 | themill | monkey_d_luffy: good luck with that then |
| 14:48.32 | HTT-Bird | monkey_d_luffy, I take it 2.6.30 is a non-option? |
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| 14:49.39 | monkey_d_luffy | HTT-Bird: I'm keeping with 2.6.26... I won't be trying to upgrade again so soon |
| 14:49.52 | monkey_d_luffy | themill: thanks for the help |
| 14:50.08 | HTT-Bird | hmmm...not sure if wireless-compat is an option for you or not |
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| 14:50.22 | HTT-Bird | runs 2.6.32 in order to get his card sort-of-working |
| 14:51.24 | monkey_d_luffy | HTT-Bird: I don't see that package in the repos |
| 14:52.10 | HTT-Bird | monkey_d_luffy, yeah, you'd have to pull it from git |
| 14:52.41 | abrotman | Gandalf84: so if you use the liveCD and try to reinstall grub, no errors ? |
| 14:52.42 | themill | !compat-wireless |
| 14:52.42 | dpkg | well, wireless tree is the latest experimental wireless drivers are in the wireless-2.6 <GIT> tree. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download for more information on how to use it. compat-wireless-old (for kernels <= 2.6.26) archive: http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6/ |
| 14:52.53 | amphi | monkey_d_luffy: OTOH, it's not hard to get an newer loop-aes and build it from source |
| 14:53.08 | nsadmin | how does one git git? |
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| 14:53.29 | nsadmin | do we watch that linus flick about it? |
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| 14:54.41 | thenthenio | differences between linux-image-486 -2.6-486 -2.6.26-1-486 and -2.6.26-2-486? |
| 14:54.45 | monkey_d_luffy | amphi: look, just one day ago I upgraded the kernel and buld the module, I then rebooted and fsck whinned all over... it borked my sytem ... probably a bug in fsck or loop-aes |
| 14:56.02 | Acony | I have an nvidia Gforce 9300m G on my laptop |
| 14:56.10 | Acony | I want to install drivers for it |
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| 14:56.32 | Acony | since when I drag windows It's kinda "laggy" :P |
| 14:56.41 | wols_ | !tell Acony about nvidia |
| 14:56.51 | atula | hi, if I have exim4 installed.. what do I tell fail2ban's mta's config variable? mta=mail or mta=exim ? |
| 14:56.56 | ewet | xand, thanks for your efforts anyway |
| 14:56.56 | Acony | so what should I install, I have packages wols_ |
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| 14:57.01 | abrotman | thenthenio: first/second are metapackages, third/fourth are different versions(ABIs really) of the actual kernel |
| 14:57.15 | wols_ | Acony: you should read the factoid |
| 14:57.31 | Acony | wols_, ok will do that now thanks |
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| 15:00.30 | thenthenio | abrotman: the 2.6-26-2-486 fails booting with "Gave up waiting root device", is there a way to install a different version (not 2.6.26...)? |
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| 15:00.59 | abrotman | thenthenio: there is a .30 at backports.org |
| 15:01.28 | nsadmin | thenthenio what filesystem is your / partition? what controller for its disk? |
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| 15:03.48 | thenthenio | nsadmin: old Pentium PC: PIIXa: IDE controller (0x8086:0x122e rev 0x02) |
| 15:03.53 | monkey_d_luffy | HTT-Bird: this compilation problem I'm having is *with* compat-wireless >.< |
| 15:03.58 | Acony | ok, I need support for writing on ntfs |
| 15:04.05 | thenthenio | FS is ext3 |
| 15:04.07 | Acony | should I use ntfs-3g or something else ? |
| 15:04.20 | HTT-Bird | monkey_d_luffy, the issue with loop-aes? |
| 15:04.29 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:122e |
| 15:04.30 | judd | [8086:122e] is '82371FB PIIX ISA [Triton I]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:122e |
| 15:04.50 | HTT-Bird | if so, just use the 2.6.30 from bpo |
| 15:05.02 | HTT-Bird | , pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 15:05.03 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 15:05.05 | wols_ | !tell Acony about ntfsmount |
| 15:05.37 | nsadmin | thenthenio: that shouldn't require later kernel |
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| 15:05.58 | Acony | !tell me about ntfs-3g |
| 15:06.09 | Acony | !tell me Acony ntfs-3g |
| 15:06.10 | nsadmin | did you move the drive to that hardware? |
| 15:06.29 | nsadmin | Acony: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 15:06.50 | thenthenio | nsadmin: setup process did not give any problems, no always stayed there |
| 15:06.51 | monkey_d_luffy | HTT-Bird: I'm trying to compile compat-wireless for the 2.6.26 |
| 15:07.16 | Acony | nsadmin, I installed it already |
| 15:07.34 | nsadmin | thenthenio but rebooting into your new install did? |
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| 15:08.18 | Acony | I want to integrate this support by default for example when I go to Menu->Places->My NTFS Partition |
| 15:08.20 | thenthenio | Rebooting fails with "gave up waiting for root device" |
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| 15:10.16 | thenthenio | nsadmin: Rebooting fails with "gave up waiting for root device" |
| 15:10.31 | nsadmin | I saw that you said that, even the first time |
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| 15:11.02 | thenthenio | k |
| 15:11.12 | nsadmin | this is a p4, right? |
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| 15:11.35 | thenthenio | No, it is a very old Pentium... |
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| 15:12.00 | wols_ | Gandalf84: do no message people unasked |
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| 15:12.13 | iceroot | thenthenio: reboot -f if you are running in timeouts at reboot |
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| 15:13.08 | thenthenio | iceroot: what should reboot -f do? |
| 15:13.31 | JPT | -f usually forces something...no matter what happens.. |
| 15:13.48 | iceroot | thenthenio: Force halt or reboot, donât call shutdown |
| 15:14.09 | iceroot | thenthenio: i was having the same issue, -f was working fine |
| 15:14.51 | thenthenio | iceroot: this happens also when switching on the PC (not rebooting)! |
| 15:15.22 | linduxed | what is the line i add for sid in sources.list? i know it should start with deb-src |
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| 15:16.52 | Acony | hm I am trying to install this nvidia drivers but I get "Bad luck, kernel headers for the target version could not be found..." |
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| 15:18.31 | abrotman | linduxed: to do what ? |
| 15:18.51 | Acony | also I get a message to try to install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-286 |
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| 15:19.03 | Acony | but when I run apt-get install.. |
| 15:19.07 | Acony | I get E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.30-2-286 |
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| 15:19.48 | linduxed | abrotman: to try backporting the sid version of centerim to lenny stable |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | -286? really ? |
| 15:19.58 | abrotman | linduxed: i believe it's already been done |
| 15:20.01 | linduxed | abrotman: the stable one doesnt work properly |
| 15:20.06 | linduxed | abrotman: nope |
| 15:20.14 | abrotman | linduxed: finch has been backported! :) |
| 15:20.21 | abrotman | !tell linduxed about ssb |
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| 15:25.01 | thenthenio | nsadmin: for installing kernel .30 what do I need to add to sources.list? |
| 15:25.19 | wols_ | !tell thenthenio about backports |
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| 15:26.28 | linduxed | abrotman: that was the thing i got a tip from wols_ about |
| 15:26.41 | linduxed | abrotman: oh and i dont know what finch is |
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| 15:27.15 | linduxed | abrotman: oh wait, sorry i do know, but i prefer centerim |
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| 15:27.29 | abrotman | finch is the CLI pidgin |
| 15:27.54 | abrotman | linduxed: okay .. so basically you copy one of your current sources and make it point to the unstable deb-src stuff |
| 15:27.59 | wols_ | linduxed: do you already have a deb-src line for lenny? |
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| 15:29.19 | linduxed | wols_: i do |
| 15:29.47 | linduxed | wols_: deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 15:30.00 | wols_ | so add one with "sid" instead of lenny there |
| 15:31.48 | linduxed | wols_: done |
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| 15:33.26 | Pinchiukas | Does the debian installer support drive encryption? |
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| 15:34.32 | |dl9pf| | how can i differ arches in debian/rules (e.g. armel vs x86) ? something similar to %ifarch |
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| 15:40.33 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: yes, read the installation manual |
| 15:41.09 | |dl9pf| | e.g. whats the syntax to do 'if $(DEB_BUILD_ARCH) = "armel" ... ' right |
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| 15:42.33 | cognitiaclaeves | does fsck log its results? I'm trouble shooting possible disk failure on a VM. I used shutdown -rF, and now I'd like to determine what the results were. |
| 15:42.37 | oggei | moin |
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| 15:48.08 | charzero | Is there any reason not to block ICMP with iptables for a host that is just a web server? |
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| 15:48.23 | petemc | yes, blocking icmp is stupid and pointless |
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| 15:48.58 | HTT-Bird | charzero, it's best not to block ICMP altogether |
| 15:49.31 | HTT-Bird | it might be OK to block certain types of ICMP packets that aren't used legitimately, but blocking ICMP altogether will make quite a bit of stuff not work quite right I reckon |
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| 15:49.37 | linduxed | that's great... the thing doesn't build |
| 15:49.41 | linduxed | centerim that is |
| 15:49.46 | thenthenio | after installing new kernel how to let grub know to add it to the options? |
| 15:50.01 | linduxed | using the method described by the dpkg bot |
| 15:50.18 | charzero | thenthenio: /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 15:50.28 | thenthenio | charzero: k! |
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| 15:50.57 | flo__ | hi |
| 15:51.08 | charzero | thenthenio: update-grub assumes that certain conventions are followed. Read the man page. |
| 15:51.22 | flo__ | karlpinc, are you there? |
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| 15:54.16 | atula | does fail2ban use a lot of resources / |
| 15:54.17 | atula | ? |
| 15:56.03 | themill | atula: In general, no. python can eat a reasonable amount of memory there, but you can change that behaviour with ulimit easily enough. |
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| 15:57.40 | Computer | my swap partition is not listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid. fstab is configured to mount it as "/dev/sda7", and i am afraid when i add a new disk, the file name will change. |
| 15:58.10 | Computer | what is the deal with this? |
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| 15:58.56 | cognitiaclaeves | how do I determine the result of fsck on a vm when I can't see scroll? |
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| 15:59.41 | Titan8990 | cognitiaclaeves, redirect output? |
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| 16:00.05 | cognitiaclaeves | Titan8990: How do I do that with shutdown -rF ? |
| 16:01.37 | linduxed | i got the following when trying to build centerim from sid according to instructions given by the dpkg bot |
| 16:01.46 | linduxed | http://pastebin.com/f670eb760 |
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| 16:02.33 | |dl9pf| | hats the syntax to do 'if $(DEB_BUILD_ARCH) = "armel" ... ' right ?? |
| 16:02.45 | thenthenio | No way, also 2.6.30-bpo-2-486 hangs on Waiting for root file system... |
| 16:03.03 | cognitiaclaeves | it was at /var/log/fsck. |
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| 16:03.58 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, does it get as far as opening the initrd/initramfs? |
| 16:05.09 | thenthenio | HTT-Bird: After timeout goes to (initramfs) prompt... |
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| 16:05.31 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, ah, so your initramfs is good |
| 16:05.48 | wols_ | HTT-Bird: does the kernel say anything about disks, hda or such? |
| 16:05.58 | wols_ | erm, thenthenio |
| 16:06.16 | HTT-Bird | is your / an ordinary partition, or is there something special about it? (lvm, mdadm, luks, ...?) |
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| 16:06.40 | HackeMate | hello, after various days configuring wpa_supplicant for manage my wireless, I found the problem, it's the wext driver. I see networkmanager uses driver ath9k, and I could like use it also in wpa_supplicant, somebody could give me a clue or how-to for get it work? thank you in advance, nice people |
| 16:06.46 | thenthenio | wols_: says ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping ro a shell |
| 16:06.52 | wols_ | ,versions autoconf |
| 16:06.53 | judd | autoconf -- etch: 2.61-4; lenny: 2.61-8; lenny-backports: 2.65-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.65-3; squeeze: 2.65-3 |
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| 16:07.02 | wols_ | thenthenio: I mean something before that, way before |
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| 16:07.23 | thenthenio | HTT-Bird: ordinary ext3 fs |
| 16:07.23 | wols_ | linduxed: get autoconfig 2.65 from lenny backports |
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| 16:07.27 | wols_ | linduxed: autoconf |
| 16:07.55 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, sounds like your grub configuration is broken |
| 16:08.00 | wols_ | thenthenio: what does exist when you are in the shell? |
| 16:08.26 | wols_ | e.g. is there hda1? sda1? can you execture fdisk -l? what does dmesg|more say? |
| 16:08.50 | thenthenio | wols_: no hd* at all! |
| 16:09.02 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, is there sd*? |
| 16:09.02 | wols_ | thenthenio: how did you check? |
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| 16:09.37 | thenthenio | No sd* too |
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| 16:10.24 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, what does dmesg|more have to say? |
| 16:10.33 | thenthenio | wols_: apperently no errors from dmesg |
| 16:12.11 | wols_ | thenthenio: I didn't ask about errors from dmesg, did I? I asked about harddisks recognized |
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| 16:17.58 | linduxed | wols_: will try |
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| 16:26.01 | thenthenio | sorry wols_ phone call! |
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| 16:26.46 | thenthenio | Seems you're right can't see relevant line about /dev/hda1... |
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| 16:31.07 | Ryushin | abrotman: Thanks for the help with alsa. It looks like there is a new alsa interface for the thinkpad in 2.6.33. I'll have to do some more digging. Thanks again. |
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| 16:31.42 | alexm_ | What's the current advice for setting up a private debian repository? The stuff I'm finding seems to be outdated |
| 16:31.48 | linduxed | wols_: that seemed to work |
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| 16:32.15 | alexm_ | I don't want to mirror any repositories, I just want an easy way to install custom packages |
| 16:33.13 | thenthenio | wols_: IDE controller should be PIIXa, probably the relevant module is not in the kernel... |
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| 16:37.20 | thejon | Ello all, anyone here well versed in smartctl output? |
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| 16:41.14 | DogBoy | you won't know until you ask |
| 16:41.46 | thejon | ok, well, I'm trying to understand the following: |
| 16:42.08 | thejon | Error: UNC 8 sectors at LBA = ..... |
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| 16:43.39 | DogBoy | did you read the man page |
| 16:43.48 | thejon | Of course :) |
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| 16:44.12 | thejon | basically, as I understand it, a UNC error "should" be an uncorrectable sector, or one that can't be read |
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| 16:45.06 | thejon | but, the rest of the smart output doesn't show any similar errors, nothing for "Reallocated_Sector_Ct". nothing for "Offline_Uncorrectable", nothing for "Current_Pending_Sector" |
| 16:45.54 | linduxed | ok i managed to compile the package from sid, so ive got a couple of packages now in my folder |
| 16:46.04 | linduxed | now i want to install the stuff |
| 16:46.19 | Titan8990 | !tell linduxed about ssb |
| 16:46.23 | linduxed | how do i instruct the dpkg command to fetch deps from current directory |
| 16:46.24 | wols_ | linduxed: then do it |
| 16:46.25 | linduxed | ? |
| 16:46.38 | wols_ | you don't. dpkg doesn't handle dependencies |
| 16:46.42 | wols_ | dpkg -i <file> |
| 16:46.42 | dpkg | removes a kidney from wols_ and replaces it with <file> |
| 16:46.50 | linduxed | wols_: oh ok |
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| 16:52.58 | alexm_ | Is there an up to date guide for reprepro or its current replacement? |
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| 16:56.44 | thenthenio | In Debian Lenny netinst setup everything was OK, dmesg gave IDE controller type "PIIXa". Seems like after installing the kernel 2.6.26-2-486 does NOT have support for PIIXa IDE controller, so kernel starts booting but then fails detecting root device!!! How can I add support for PIIXa controller? |
| 16:57.06 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, boot off the netinst |
| 16:57.21 | HTT-Bird | first off |
| 16:57.48 | thenthenio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.47 | thenthenio | HTT-Bird: what do you mean? |
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| 16:59.00 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, boot the box off of the netinst CD |
| 16:59.55 | thenthenio | No way to get it boot without CD? |
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| 17:01.04 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, right now, no |
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| 17:01.59 | haqe17_ | help! why tf is xserver-xorg conflicting with nvidia-glx? is this a bug or am i missing somtething? |
| 17:02.09 | haqe17_ | testing btw |
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| 17:03.30 | Nalle_ | Any recommendations for a replacement for fail2ban as it apparently no longer works with these newer kernels due to some iptables issue? |
| 17:03.43 | Good-maN | haqe17_: i am not sure but when you install nvidia-glx will not another xserver installed? |
| 17:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | Nalle_: Just use iptables throttling - much more efficient. |
| 17:04.47 | haqe17_ | Good-maN: no dude nvidia-glx contains the binary drivers from nvidia. why would a different xserver be installed? |
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| 17:05.59 | Nalle_ | Thanks, I'll look up a how-to for how to do that. |
| 17:06.21 | runev_ | is it just me, or is something strange with security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org? |
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| 17:07.10 | jhutchins_lt | Strange how? People come out of the rain strange? |
| 17:07.39 | runev_ | i can't ping them alright, but aptitude can't retrieve anything from them |
| 17:07.45 | runev_ | i can ping them* |
| 17:08.07 | Titan8990 | runev_, paste one of your deb lines that is not working |
| 17:08.26 | haqe17_ | moves to slackware |
| 17:08.35 | runev_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 17:09.07 | Titan8990 | runev_, and whats the error? 404 not found? |
| 17:09.44 | runev_ | nothing .. just constantly gets stuck as 82% [Connecting to security.debian.org |
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| 17:10.20 | tellurian | is it just me or is there something broken / not working at www.debian-administration.org ? |
| 17:10.29 | Titan8990 | runev_, aptitude update work? |
| 17:11.01 | Nalle_ | jhutchins, found a how-to. We'll see how it works. Thanks for the tip! |
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| 17:11.26 | runev_ | Titan8990, it's aptitude update i'm trying to do .. i can connect to the first few sites in my sources.list, but when it tries security.debian.org it just hangs on connecting |
| 17:11.29 | Titan8990 | tellurian, works fine for me, but i don't think that site is official (not ran by the debian project) |
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| 17:12.12 | tellurian | Titan8990: got it. must be me. tnx |
| 17:12.47 | Titan8990 | runev_, use a proxy? |
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| 17:17.49 | thenthenio | This is exactly what happens to me too: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=500062, any suggestions? |
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| 17:18.43 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, including the dmesg messages? |
| 17:19.28 | runev_ | Titan8990: No, I'm routed through another computer using a cable though .. might cause some problems, looking through my settings as we speak |
| 17:19.50 | runev_ | Titan8990: I'll prob learn some from trying this myself anyway, so I'm giving it a shot :) |
| 17:20.06 | Titan8990 | runev_, your using another box as a router? |
| 17:20.47 | thenthenio | HTT-Bird: yes |
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| 17:22.08 | runev_ | Titan8990: yeah, i've got to get some packages and files to set up wireless on this one .. hard when aptitude breaks on me :) i'll get the packages on a usb and install them manually tho |
| 17:22.10 | HTT-Bird | thenthenio, :( |
| 17:22.28 | wols_ | thenthenio: disable APIC via kernel options. also check if there are any options you can give to the piixa driver |
| 17:22.53 | thenthenio | noapic ? |
| 17:23.06 | wols_ | e.g. force it to use a specific IEQ (0x0F for IDE) |
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| 17:23.12 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:23.18 | thenthenio | k |
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| 17:26.11 | wols_ | thenthenio: if all else fails you can make it use normal IDE interface. that means no UDMA and no busmastering tho |
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| 17:29.53 | thenthenio | wols_: tried piixa.irq=5 -> unknown - ignored... |
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| 17:32.16 | thenthenio | wols_: UDMA=no and busmastering=no ? |
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| 17:33.11 | h3sp4wn | Hi, I need to install a webserver (Lenny) running a few sites with apache2 - Is there a good place to find the recommended way to set it so that its not going to be an issue with updates etc overwriting my customisations (I.e I need to listen only on some of the ip's I have so I would change ports.conf (but that is in apache2.2-common) |
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| 17:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | it won't overwrite your configuration changes |
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| 17:34.30 | h3sp4wn | So the Choice of keep / install maintainers versions won't happen ? |
| 17:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course it will... and you choose "keep" |
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| 17:35.34 | h3sp4wn | That seems a dumb design decision |
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| 17:36.14 | gnat_x | i need to partition a usb disk. partman is only for the installer, i don't think i have the chops for fdisk, does that leave me with cfdisk? it would be ideal if this tool could do the LUKs setup and possibly lvm, but i'm not as concerned about that part. i guess i could do the LUKs part myself too, but the more the partitioner can handle ther better. any recommendations? |
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| 17:37.19 | h3sp4wn | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok Thanks I will just divert them all somewhere else and just make a config from scratch |
| 17:37.29 | wols_ | gnat_x: gparted? |
| 17:38.17 | wols_ | thenthenio: nothing about irqs or io? |
| 17:38.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from that what you want doesn't seem to be exactly what lots of others want ... so there's mainly http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
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| 17:38.36 | wols_ | thenthenio: the irq mustn't be 5, it must be 15 or 0x0f |
| 17:38.48 | thenthenio | wols_: udma=no busmastering=no were not refused by the kernel but did not work. |
| 17:39.06 | gnat_x | wols_: yeah, was just looking at that, i would prefer something that didn't require X, but if that's the best option, or at least one that most people use... perhaps. |
| 17:39.15 | wols_ | gnat_x: parted then |
| 17:39.26 | gnat_x | yeah, i was about to say that. |
| 17:39.29 | gnat_x | :) |
| 17:39.32 | thenthenio | wols_: the problem is that the kernel refuses piixa.irq= option... |
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| 17:39.54 | wols_ | thenthenio: and simply "irq"? is piixa a module you can load/remove? |
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| 17:40.23 | Pinchiukas | abrotman: o rly? |
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| 17:40.51 | sree_new | Hello All |
| 17:41.01 | thenthenio | As reported on the previous link that the problem appeared upon upgrade from ETCH to LENNY I think I will restart installing ETCH netinst!!! |
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| 17:41.36 | sree_new | I am facing issues with my keyboard and mouse once I upgraded to squeeze |
| 17:41.55 | sree_new | I have seen that a bug has been already filed against this issue.. |
| 17:41.59 | sree_new | Bug#567756 |
| 17:42.07 | thenthenio | wols_: gtg, thank you anyway! |
| 17:42.15 | sree_new | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.50 | sree_new | I would be really helpful if anyone could tell me how can we resolve this issue.. |
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| 17:43.30 | linduxed | how do i set a different locale systemwide? |
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| 17:46.04 | rgr | where in debian gnome do I change the default app which lanuches when I insert a dvd? |
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| 17:46.41 | wols_ | !tell linduxed about locales |
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| 17:47.04 | hayleyw | rgr, system->preferences->preferred applications |
| 17:47.17 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:47.47 | rgr | hayleyw: I can see no option for it there. Am I blind ? ;( |
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| 17:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sree_new, apart from that those look like 2, 3 or more problems, really, the bugreport suggests a lot of things... specially reading your xorg log should be useful |
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| 17:50.51 | linduxed | wols_: thx |
| 17:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hayleyw, I was impressed... until he didn't find it :-P |
| 17:50.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ for menus |
| 17:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ...........which can always just disappear without trace from version to version or things can move from one to another |
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| 17:53.14 | rgr | brasero is auto launching. and then it kills the dvd device. so I cant watch any videos. |
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| 17:53.22 | dutchfish | sree_new, can you paste your Xserv.0.log to pastebin? |
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| 17:57.33 | Abnix | ok, anyone able to answer me this? trying to snmpwalk a remote debian machine, can only get a good snmpwalk if I set snmpd to not bind to a particular IP/interface but then only on localhost... hwo do I get it to work from remote machines? |
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| 17:59.05 | Abnix | machine A has snmpd running on it, netstat shows that smpd is listening on 0.0.0.0:161 no other hosts are able to snmpwalk that machine, but machine A can run smpwalk pointing to localhost and gets valid responses... |
| 17:59.44 | wols_ | Abnix: iptables? |
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| 17:59.56 | Titan8990 | isn't the config file sort of an ACL style thing? |
| 17:59.59 | smhar | I had a working apache test setup. I apt-get installed nginx and now /var/www is empty! |
| 18:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | unlikely |
| 18:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you had mounted something on /var/www and now it's not mounted or somesuch |
| 18:01.30 | Abnix | wols_: I think I ahve iptables set to allow port 161 udp access: iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 161 -j ACCEPT and iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p udp --dport 161 -j ACCEPT |
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| 18:03.15 | smhar | CutMeOwnThroat, no |
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| 18:05.47 | dutchfish | Abnix, have you configured /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf to com2sec readonly default [your secret] (obvious, but still) |
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| 18:06.57 | dutchfish | Abnix, and snmpd doesnt pick up the changes, only if you restart the service |
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| 18:14.31 | stonedslacker | Is it a common problem with lenny to stop recognising external usb drives a few weeks after initial install? I have two machines running lenny that were setup on the same day and now, all at once, they both will not see my usb storage. |
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| 18:15.13 | jhutchins_lt | stonedslacker: What's your update practice? |
| 18:15.54 | stonedslacker | jhutchins_lt: don't really have one. I'm new to Debian. |
| 18:16.08 | jhutchins_lt | stonedslacker: What have you updated since install? |
| 18:16.40 | stonedslacker | Nothing that I recall, especially not on both machines. One is not even online. |
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| 18:18.50 | lxsameer | when i try apt-get update , debian try to get files from google repo but i don't set google repo in my sources.list |
| 18:18.53 | stonedslacker | I tried ls /dev|grep sd and I got nuthin |
| 18:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so where does stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ come from |
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| 18:19.44 | stonedslacker | lemme see if I can find some pastebin fodder for ya, brb |
| 18:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about you look in dmesg... |
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| 18:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | stonedslacker: ja, dmesg, plug drive in, dmesg again. |
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| 18:24.02 | Abnix | dutchfish: hey thanks for the input, I had set that, but it happened to be *wrong* how I had set it. thanks for pointing mt in that direction (o: |
| 18:24.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how does pinning know that a release is stable, if your sources list uses "lenny"? |
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| 18:25.51 | slidesinger | Anyone know where I can find docs for all the bits about apt that are not in the man pages, like --get-selections for example? |
| 18:26.07 | atula | why do I get "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 116: www-browser: command not found" when I run #apache2ctl status ? |
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| 18:27.07 | abrotman | atula: aptitude install w3m ? |
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| 18:27.21 | abrotman | sounds like someone was breaking the alternatives stuff |
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| 18:28.12 | stonedslacker | http://pastebin.com/d271bd16e |
| 18:28.22 | oreo | hey everyone! Is it possible to set up 6to4 on an openvz guest under debian? |
| 18:28.47 | stonedslacker | This is what I get when I plug in my phone\. Normally it comes up just like an external hd\ |
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| 18:29.02 | themill | slidesinger: that is in the man page for the command that actually accepts that argument |
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| 18:30.08 | schmrz | themill: Hi! Maybe you remember me from today. I had a question about authorized_keys... Do you have any spare time to help me with it as I'm still stuck on it. |
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| 18:31.50 | stonedslacker | I mean, address 4, what does that mean? Why would it not be an sd anymore? |
| 18:31.51 | Titan8990 | schmrz, ask your question, if someone knows they will respond |
| 18:31.53 | Titan8990 | !ask |
| 18:31.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:33.06 | g00se | I've got mplayer, but what do i need to play .wma files (file tells me it's 'Microsoft ASF')? |
| 18:33.22 | Titan8990 | !win32codecs |
| 18:33.22 | dpkg | w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
| 18:33.48 | g00se | Titan8990: Thanks |
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| 18:34.08 | joshteam | yagoo: hey, remember me? the OSx -> Debian issue w/ svn around permissions? |
| 18:34.17 | schmrz | Ok, here we go. I have a remote ssh box. On the remote box I have three users. Bob, Alice and Neutral. Bob & Alice use public keys for authentication when connecting. What I want to do is that both Bob & Alice can login as Neutral with the same public keys they use for their accounts. I thought it's just a matter of writting Alice's and Bob's public keys to /home/Neutral/.ssh/authorized_keys, but that didn't work. |
| 18:34.34 | yagoo | joshteam, sounds like u need to learn some sticky bits :) |
| 18:34.37 | yagoo | lol |
| 18:34.54 | joshteam | yagoo: can I pm? |
| 18:34.57 | joshteam | ^^ |
| 18:34.59 | ravenbird | joshteam: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:34.59 | yagoo | no |
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| 18:35.34 | stonedslacker | I must not be as dense as I thought if none of you have any idea either. |
| 18:35.35 | joshteam | yagoo: fair enough. :-p |
| 18:35.49 | krisfremen | pebkac |
| 18:35.59 | yagoo | joshteam, i already told ya.. i dont know how well sticky bits work under mac.. |
| 18:36.23 | yagoo | joshteam, it would be best to join a mac geek mailing list.. cuse most people who do use a mac well.. dont do this sort of thing :/ |
| 18:36.23 | joshteam | yagoo: I changed my UID on debian to the same UID I have on OSx... and it still bombs when I run svn ci/comitted from OSx on the mounted file system (debian) |
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| 18:36.53 | stonedslacker | oh, wait. vbox is screwing me up. I tell ya man I have been out of it. |
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| 18:37.17 | jhutchins_lt | schmrz: You were unable to write the keys to the file? |
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| 18:37.29 | joshteam | yagoo: so "sticky ID os X" ? |
| 18:37.30 | rindolf | Where can I find the individual patches that compose http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wml/wml_2.0.11ds1-0.4.diff.gz ? |
| 18:37.32 | rindolf | Hi all. |
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| 18:37.54 | schmrz | jhutchins_lt: No, the keys are in the authorized_keys file, but Bob & Alice can't login to Neutral... |
| 18:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this still valid? http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata Doesn't seem to match what I see |
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| 18:38.32 | abrotman | joshteam: what problem are you trying to solve ? |
| 18:38.35 | joshteam | yagoo: is this what you are referring to? http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man8/sticky.8.html#//apple_ref/doc/man/8/sticky |
| 18:38.58 | joshteam | abrotman: being able to SVN ci (from mac osX environment) files that live on my debian.. currently mounted via samba. |
| 18:39.13 | joshteam | abrotman: but I am open to any other type of mounting technique besides samba |
| 18:39.19 | JoshH | switch to git |
| 18:39.41 | joshteam | JoshH: Unfourt. that's out of my control :( |
| 18:39.47 | abrotman | joshteam: so the debian part has nothing to do with it ? |
| 18:39.59 | joshteam | abrotman: that's where the repository (project) exists. |
| 18:40.03 | Titan8990 | doesn't svn either use http or its own protocol? where does SMB come in? |
| 18:40.16 | joshteam | Titan8990: the repository is CO on the debian instance |
| 18:40.26 | yagoo | joshteam, dunno if this is accurate but there's a term as from this wikipage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit "The ISVTX (the sticky bit)" for MacOSX |
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| 18:40.59 | Titan8990 | joshteam, so SVN can also use SMB as a protocol? |
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| 18:41.25 | cusco | hi |
| 18:41.40 | joshteam | I am mirroring prod with a local VM instance of Debian, where I CO the project contents. However; I want to develop / code through OSx environment to use IDE's and other tools. I also don't want to manage two repositories - b/c I only want to commit on good/stable changes. not each time I want to test my code. |
| 18:41.44 | cusco | why does mv state that cannot move a directory because it is not empty? |
| 18:41.44 | yagoo | joshteam, who becomes the owner of files created by samba? if its file's owner is the same as the samba process, then try to see if u can get group sticky bit working under the mac.. |
| 18:41.56 | cusco | I move directorys all the time |
| 18:42.08 | yagoo | joshteam, that's pretty much i know.. |
| 18:42.29 | joshteam | yagoo: it's the same across the board now. I changed my UID for 'jteam' on debian to the same UID as 'jteam' on OSx. |
| 18:42.32 | joshteam | and I verified with -aln |
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| 18:42.47 | yagoo | joshteam, i don't know about that technique.. sorry |
| 18:42.58 | joshteam | my user is universal |
| 18:43.05 | joshteam | to Linux across both environments |
| 18:43.08 | joshteam | same uname / uid |
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| 18:44.10 | yagoo | joshteam, maybe you want to ask under mac, it seems to be related more to mac than linux from this point |
| 18:44.10 | yagoo | (i mean #mac-&?) |
| 18:44.10 | Titan8990 | what would cause a drive's UUID to change? My esata drive now has a new uuid.... yet no hardware changes were made |
| 18:44.10 | oreo | hey everyone! Is it possible to set up 6to4 on an openvz guest under debian? |
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| 18:44.10 | yagoo | joshteam, u can also do sudo su under mac osx if u need those extra power commands access for convenience.. |
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| 18:46.19 | joshteam | this is --cahhraazzy-- ha |
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| 18:47.29 | yagoo | joshteam, if you're not able to answer 1 question i asked you, then you should give it up.. |
| 18:47.46 | yagoo | lol |
| 18:47.47 | joshteam | which question? |
| 18:48.30 | yagoo | ^(about samba creating files) |
| 18:48.31 | ravenbird | yagoo: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 18:48.42 | joshteam | I didn't see that question? |
| 18:49.20 | yagoo | joshteam, you can't see that i mentioned the wikipage about isvtx either? |
| 18:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does pinning influence what source package you get? |
| 18:49.34 | joshteam | yagoo: I saw that.. I am on the page reading |
| 18:49.40 | yagoo | wonders who else sees what i'm supposing to joshteam |
| 18:50.06 | cusco | why does mv state that cannot move a directory because it is not empty? |
| 18:50.11 | yagoo | ravenbird, KCI indeed haha |
| 18:50.13 | ravenbird | yagoo: I don't know. |
| 18:50.30 | yagoo | ravenbird, . |
| 18:50.32 | ravenbird | yagoo: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | leave the bot alone |
| 18:50.48 | yagoo | thought dpkg was the only bot in here, what gives? |
| 18:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's done nuffin to you! |
| 18:51.04 | yagoo | CutMeOwnThroat, please don't cut me :} |
| 18:51.10 | yagoo | no!! |
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| 18:51.42 | stonedslacker | Yep, removing virtual box 'fixed' it. |
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| 18:53.00 | joshteam | abrotman: http://paste2.org/p/673713 |
| 18:53.08 | joshteam | abrotman: that pretty much illustrates the issue. |
| 18:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean |
| 18:53.18 | abrotman | can you do it manually ? |
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| 18:53.44 | joshteam | abrotman: not from OSx through Samba mount - but through Debian straight.. yet |
| 18:53.47 | joshteam | or through SSH - yes |
| 18:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.org/93181 ... does that make any sense? |
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| 18:54.48 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, use ANY pastebin except for pastebin.org.... pastebin.com, .ca, debian paste, etc |
| 18:54.52 | abrotman | joshteam: so it's either a problem with the mount perms, or with the protocol itself |
| 18:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | a what? |
| 18:55.15 | joshteam | abrotman: one would think.. and if I do a ls -aln on the /tmp/enries file it is -> -r--r--r-- 1 502 20 1226 Feb 16 22:00 entries |
| 18:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, what's wrong with it? |
| 18:55.21 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, pastebin.org showed up a little less than a year ago, with especially bad ads |
| 18:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I never see ads... |
| 18:55.38 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, such as ads with sounds, and ads try to look like windows and tell you that you have a virus |
| 18:55.39 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i have a vague feeling that 'source' doesn't care about pinning .. can't recall |
| 18:55.59 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: did you try a -t ? |
| 18:56.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it seemed to do... it changed now that I sorted out pinning a bit |
| 18:56.15 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, i do because the adblock extension for chrome is currently buggy |
| 18:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, yeah - with the (weirdish) pinning rules before, apt-get source package would say "no source file found", apt-get source -t stable would download the one from unstable |
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| 18:57.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I think it got caught between debian-multimedia and the regular repos there... |
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| 19:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't seem to work, either: Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages |
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| 19:01.25 | matt2 | is it possible to boot from an external USB harddisk ? |
| 19:02.03 | jhutchins_lt | matt2: Depends on your bios, but yes. |
| 19:02.06 | Titan8990 | if your motherboard supports it |
| 19:02.09 | cusco | if your mobo supports it, yes |
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| 19:02.17 | cusco | oops |
| 19:02.33 | matt2 | ok thanks. |
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| 19:06.30 | syrex | can you connect icq via pidgin? |
| 19:07.41 | matt2 | zes |
| 19:07.48 | matt2 | *yes |
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| 19:10.33 | syrex | when I try to connect to ICQ, my Pidgin wrote "Connection limit exceeded." but licq connects perfectly |
| 19:10.56 | hayleyw | syrex, so ask #pidgin |
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| 19:11.18 | syrex | thanks |
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| 19:14.36 | Saar | why is network-manager such a piece of shit? |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | syrbleh |
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| 19:14.53 | abrotman | Saar: because you are not working to fix it? |
| 19:15.00 | Saar | it consistently tries to second guess your networking causing you to loose connectivity |
| 19:15.07 | abrotman | lose |
| 19:15.15 | Saar | details |
| 19:16.15 | Saar | i wouldn't fix it, i would get rid of it |
| 19:17.30 | linduxed | i installed a package with a certain locale set up, now i changed locale, but the application doesn't reflect this |
| 19:17.59 | linduxed | is there a simple way of reinstalling/reconfiguring the app? |
| 19:18.00 | abrotman | Saar: so disable it |
| 19:18.14 | linduxed | i really just need the language to change |
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| 19:20.46 | abrotman | linduxed: you should probably tell us which app .. some of them store it in their conf files |
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| 19:21.23 | linduxed | abrotman: centerim |
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| 19:21.48 | maginot | Hi... when configuring bonding to two interface they have to have all the same ipaddress ? like I have two adsl links, which give me two adsl routers each one connected to a ethernet card, I must set both with the same ip address? |
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| 19:22.32 | Saar | abrotman: i do... |
| 19:22.42 | Saar | have to do it everytime |
| 19:23.01 | Saar | on our servers, i don't always on the desktops |
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| 19:23.52 | Saar | then somneone sticks in a usb thingy and network-manager decides its a good idea to change from ethernet network in th 10.1.1.0 range to a dhcp assigned IP through the usb thing in the 192.168.0.0 range |
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| 19:24.39 | Saar | i fail to see the logic there |
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| 19:31.29 | tapuzi | I have a problem with X. after I run it for a while, switching workspaces becomes slow and I have to restart X rather often to regain performance |
| 19:32.06 | simonrvn | sounds like a bug in the wm or x itself |
| 19:32.22 | tapuzi | could it be a WM-style? though im using fluxbox |
| 19:32.39 | tapuzi | even the menu takes a second to show up when I right click the desktop |
| 19:33.03 | tapuzi | it happens after several hours of having firefox and other apps running |
| 19:33.26 | simonrvn | mm, could be x's pixmap cache gets bloated too. those tend to do that. |
| 19:33.52 | tapuzi | where it resides |
| 19:34.14 | tapuzi | there's no RAM load at all, swap is at about 0%.. I don't know what to do |
| 19:34.28 | simonrvn | some apps do that. i have 0.5 GB RAM, and after running say FF for a while, X will bloat up to 200, 210 MB (from 178 MB at start) |
| 19:34.49 | simonrvn | and of course, slows stuff down |
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| 19:35.52 | tapuzi | i have 4 gb of ram |
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| 19:36.18 | abrotman | linduxed: did you find it ? |
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| 19:36.40 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
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| 19:36.57 | tapuzi | perhaps I should get rid of swap ? |
| 19:36.58 | edwin_quijada | How can I see the real bandwith that NIC support |
| 19:37.00 | corellian | In a Lenny installation, I have tomcat5.5 but I would like to upgrade to tomcat6, is there any guide to do this? |
| 19:37.15 | simonrvn | tapuzi: how big does X start off, and how much of a difference now? |
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| 19:37.29 | simonrvn | tapuzi: no, that would be worse |
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| 19:37.32 | Computer | does anyone use a VIA C-7 CPU? |
| 19:37.35 | jamon | corellian: it will be easiest to use a tomcat.apache.org tarball in /usr/local/ |
| 19:37.44 | Computer | is it okay to use the i386 distribution with this CPU? |
| 19:38.06 | simonrvn | !c7 |
| 19:38.18 | simonrvn | has never heard of it... |
| 19:38.26 | corellian | jamon: is this a safe way to do this? |
| 19:38.30 | tapuzi | 29899 root 20 0 468m 118m 10m R 81 3.0 77:06.65 Xorg |
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| 19:38.39 | Computer | !c-7 |
| 19:38.43 | simonrvn | tapuzi: how much video ram? |
| 19:38.46 | jamon | corellian: well you have to secure tomcat however you decide to run it |
| 19:38.46 | tapuzi | I dont' know why it shows up as root |
| 19:38.55 | simonrvn | it's supposed to |
| 19:39.01 | edwin_quijada | there is a way to know the bandwith of my NIC? |
| 19:39.03 | tapuzi | simonrvn, I'm not sure I have nvidia 7900 gt |
| 19:39.03 | jamon | corellian: and yes, it is perfectly acceptable, that's what /usr/local is traditionally for |
| 19:39.04 | Computer | its an x86 CPU by VIA |
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| 19:39.11 | abrotman | Computer: should be fine .. it's a 686 implementation IIRC |
| 19:39.14 | simonrvn | Computer: yes i386 |
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| 19:39.38 | tapuzi | is it normal for Xorg to show as user root's process? |
| 19:39.39 | simonrvn | tapuzi: well, i'd consider that time to restart x at that size ;p |
| 19:39.47 | corellian | jamon: I've seen that there is a source package for tomcat6 in the packages.debian.org |
| 19:39.51 | simonrvn | tapuzi: it's a setuid root process, so yes |
| 19:39.52 | oreo | hey everyone! Is it possible to set up 6to4 on an openvz guest under debian? |
| 19:39.58 | tapuzi | ok |
| 19:40.05 | jamon | corellian: if that's the case, you'll be playing with apt pinning |
| 19:40.13 | simonrvn | s,process,binary, |
| 19:40.16 | tapuzi | 468mb? |
| 19:40.18 | Titan8990 | oreo, maybe try an openvz specific channel? |
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| 19:40.20 | tapuzi | I have 4gb ram |
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| 19:40.45 | oreo | Titan8990: anything wrong asking here? |
| 19:40.48 | corellian | jamon: what do you recommend? using the source package or the tomcat.apache.org tarball? |
| 19:40.49 | simonrvn | well up to you, but i would |
| 19:40.57 | Titan8990 | oreo, no, but it doesn't look like you have been having much luck |
| 19:41.12 | oreo | Titan8990: that's true =) |
| 19:41.13 | tapuzi | simonrvn, it sounds like an excuse. it shouldn't hog this way |
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| 19:41.22 | tapuzi | not that I blame you ofcourfse |
| 19:41.26 | jamon | corellian: well, i've typically stuck with apache.org for all my tomcats, so i'm biased |
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| 19:41.50 | simonrvn | tapuzi: no, but that's x. personally i think it should garbage collect more. |
| 19:42.04 | tapuzi | is there anything I can do about it, simonrvn ? |
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| 19:42.18 | jamon | corellian: but tomcat in squeeze should be stable enough and more integrated |
| 19:42.39 | simonrvn | tapuzi: well, it's fluxbox. itself won't cause that. |
| 19:42.55 | corellian | jamon: what do you mean with 'tomcat in squeeze'? |
| 19:43.02 | jamon | corellian: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 19:43.07 | simonrvn | i've suggested my 2 bits. maybe googling has more info. |
| 19:43.27 | jamon | corellian: tomcat 6 is in squeeze, which is testing still |
| 19:43.46 | tapuzi | simonrvn, I tend more to think it's iceweasel |
| 19:43.57 | simonrvn | yes, that's a large cause |
| 19:44.07 | jamon | corellian: here's the deciding factor for you; are you more familiar with debian or tomcat? |
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| 19:44.19 | simonrvn | i gotta get ready |
| 19:44.25 | linduxed | abrotman: naaah |
| 19:44.39 | linduxed | abrotman: i think ill just try reinstalling the app |
| 19:44.42 | abrotman | linduxed: did you look in your ~/.centericm ? |
| 19:44.48 | abrotman | ~/.centerim |
| 19:44.49 | corellian | jamon: I'm not sure :) |
| 19:45.10 | corellian | jamon: I think I'm more familiar with tomcat.. |
| 19:45.22 | corellian | jamon: that's because I'm here asking for help |
| 19:45.26 | linduxed | abrotman: nothing in the config files |
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| 19:45.53 | tapuzi | simonrvn, what's the usual virtual memory for Xorg ? |
| 19:45.55 | linduxed | abrotman: so since it got the language after the change of locale i think a quick reinstall will do the tri |
| 19:45.59 | linduxed | trick |
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| 19:47.17 | jamon | corellian: then go with the apache.org version, it's rather more stock and behaves like you'd expect, and it won't require messing with apt and different repositories |
| 19:47.34 | linduxed | abrotman: hmmm, i just noted vim is in the wrong locale too |
| 19:47.47 | linduxed | abrotman: maybe i just havent switched... |
| 19:47.55 | linduxed | abrotman: how do i check? |
| 19:48.12 | simonrvn | tapuzi: depends on video ram |
| 19:48.44 | tapuzi | simonrvn, I understand. Can I choose a different video rendere/driver in xorg.conf? I don't use the binary nvidia drivers |
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| 19:49.02 | corellian | jamon: then you suggest to remove the tomcat5.5 from apt and install the apache.org tarball, then I figure I should configure the start/stop init scripts myself |
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| 19:49.33 | jamon | corellian: you can leave your 5.5 install if you like |
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| 19:49.46 | jamon | corellian: and tomcat comes with a bin/catalina.sh script to start/stop |
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| 19:50.18 | jamon | corellian: you can even copy your /etc/init.d/tomcat to /etc/init.d/tomcat6 and edit it to your local install |
| 19:50.44 | corellian | jamon: that sounds better |
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| 19:51.20 | tapuzi | brb im restarting X |
| 19:51.32 | simonrvn | tapuzi: i don't think it'll matter much |
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| 19:53.01 | Mish- | I have a "Atheros AR5001X+" Wireless PCI card acting as an Access Point with MadWifi/HostAPD. All works well with all my wireless devices EXCEPT my new HP laptop with a "Broadcom 43225" chipset, it connects and 'works' but is so slow that it's almost unusable. I've seen other reports of this, does anyone have any suggestions? I'll replace my server with an actual hardware access point if I have to, but I'd rather resolve the issue... |
| 19:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | Mish-: You could try the native drivers instead of madwifi - that's been deprecated as we've gotten better native support for more cards. |
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| 19:54.55 | kj4 | Mish-: what OS is on the laptop, and are you wireless G or N |
| 19:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | Mish-: If other devices are workign well with it though, it may be the laptop. |
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| 19:56.22 | Titan8990 | $50 linksys routers + 3rd party firmware (ddwrt, openwrt, tomato) == win |
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| 19:56.53 | kj4 | Titan8990: agreed! |
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| 19:58.33 | devin_ | trying to install nvidia on debian squeeze, and getting this http://pastebin.com/m305ddbd3 |
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| 20:00.29 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image-686 |
| 20:00.31 | judd | linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+23; squeeze: 2.6.32+23 |
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| 20:01.58 | Titan8990 | devin_, welcome to squeeze, check out the BTS |
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| 20:03.02 | esteeven | debian squeeze xfce4 : Samsung NC10 < how can I get the brightness Fn keys to work? It works in Gnome but in XFCE4 I get a screem notification but nothing happens |
| 20:03.19 | esteeven | screem = screen :) |
| 20:03.30 | harovali | hi , I need to install openvpn+openssl+lzo on two ye old debian woody systems. Would you please help me to find where to download apropriate packages ? |
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| 20:03.53 | SimManiac | &masg hi |
| 20:03.56 | SimManiac | oops |
| 20:03.59 | SimManiac | hi |
| 20:04.24 | wols_ | harovali: you will have to compile yourself |
| 20:04.49 | harovali | wols_: mmm, thanks |
| 20:04.56 | Titan8990 | harovali, support for woody actually ended 4 years ago.... |
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| 20:05.06 | Titan8990 | !woody |
| 20:05.07 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISOs are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
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| 20:05.20 | wols_ | the old ssl binaries are still there, but they have security holes and aren't supported anymore |
| 20:05.31 | harovali | Titan8990: yes I know ; |
| 20:05.34 | wols_ | so to have up to date patched stuff, you need to compile it yourself |
| 20:06.31 | harovali | wols_: thanks |
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| 20:08.07 | smhar | what group should I add a user to inorder to be able to mount a fs? |
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| 20:09.38 | wols_ | smhar: set the filesystem to "user" in fstab |
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| 20:10.32 | smhar | wols_, what if I want only certain users to do it? |
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| 20:11.57 | Titan8990 | smhar, give them sudo access to the mount command instead? |
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| 20:12.42 | smhar | Titan8990, wols_, this is the /var/www of my local file server which I normally mount using sshfs as root, but got fedup of that and I want my main user to be able to create and modify files there. |
| 20:13.26 | Titan8990 | smhar, whats wrong with it automounting via /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:14.57 | Titan8990 | smhar, that way, you never need to manually mount it |
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| 20:15.19 | smhar | Titan8990, so I need to add it to nfs shares? |
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| 20:15.46 | Titan8990 | smhar, umm, why are we talking about nfs now? |
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| 20:16.11 | edwin_quijada | I need to know how can I see the config for my NIC , I wanna know if my NIC has 100Mibps or 1000Mibps |
| 20:16.13 | wols_ | Titan8990: cause "local webserver" means LAN. nocht on localhost |
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| 20:16.32 | wols_ | edwin_quijada: dmesg tells you usually when it connects |
| 20:16.40 | jelly-home | edwin_quijada: used dmesg output and ethtool |
| 20:16.41 | wols_ | if not ethtool and miitool do |
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| 20:16.55 | jelly-home | used? new! |
| 20:17.00 | edwin_quijada | ethtool is an app |
| 20:17.06 | Titan8990 | wols_, still don't understand... he wants to mount something sshfs, i suggest fstab, and now we need NFS? |
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| 20:17.55 | wols_ | Titan8990: maybe he used sshfs until now, now wants nfs. but why sshfs in a LAN, I dunno. and NFS over the internet *cringe* |
| 20:18.01 | smhar | Titan8990, if I just add it to fstab, wont it need a password of the system somewhere, otherwise how would my server know it is ok to give the the required folder? |
| 20:18.12 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:18.27 | smhar | wols_, it is a local network |
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| 20:18.47 | edwin_quijada | thks wols_ |
| 20:18.49 | Titan8990 | smhar, you can put the password in fstab |
| 20:19.02 | Titan8990 | wols_, v4 is internet routable! |
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| 20:19.38 | jelly-home | nfs over vpn ftw |
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| 20:20.00 | smhar | Titan8990, can I specify default owner to all file/folders created in that folder in the fstab? |
| 20:20.51 | Titan8990 | smhar, if you can do it with the mount command, you can do it with fstab |
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| 20:21.37 | daffidity | hi. what is the difference between unmount and eject for a usb device? |
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| 20:22.12 | action09 | hi all |
| 20:22.19 | Titan8990 | daffidity, AFAIK "eject" is just the term given to gui file managers for unmount |
| 20:22.36 | stephan48 | theres a onjoin bot called ^CyBerGirL- who adverts a site with "free porn" |
| 20:22.49 | Titan8990 | daffidity, in thunar, it also removes it from the gui list |
| 20:23.04 | Titan8990 | stephan48, use the !op command |
| 20:23.11 | stephan48 | !op theres a onjoin bot called ^CyBerGirL- who adverts a site with "free porn" |
| 20:23.19 | stephan48 | or how you mean? |
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| 20:23.47 | jelly-home | stephan48: it's !ops |
| 20:23.52 | Titan8990 | !ops ^CyBerGirL spammer |
| 20:23.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: titan8990 complains about: ^CyBerGirL spammer |
| 20:23.55 | stephan48 | !ops theres a onjoin bot called ^CyBerGirL- who adverts a site with "free porn" |
| 20:23.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: stephan48 complains about: theres a onjoin bot called ^CyBerGirL- who adverts a site with "free porn" |
| 20:24.09 | daffidity | Titan8990: Thank you. Just that both options are there when i right click the icon to unmount my usb drive. was wondering if it made any difference. |
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| 20:24.26 | Saar | anyone happen to know how to replace every character on a line right of a ":" starting with the ":" usiong vim :) |
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| 20:24.32 | k\t | rofl |
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| 20:24.35 | Titan8990 | daffidity, ah, if i had to guess i would say one of them removes it from "places" and the other does not |
| 20:24.54 | stephan48 | is there some nice howto how to create own /proc entrys for drivers? |
| 20:24.56 | jimcooncat | daffidity: I bet there's a hook somewhere in eject that would let you do some additional action |
| 20:24.56 | mentor | There we go |
| 20:25.01 | Titan8990 | Saar, #vim |
| 20:25.08 | mentor | stephan48: You can read another driver :) |
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| 20:25.40 | daffidity | Titan8990: okay. I can see how it would work for a cd. one would unmount and eject would physically pop it out but for a usb... |
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| 20:27.55 | Saar | Titan8990: hm ja :) |
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| 20:29.12 | smhar | Titan8990, I searched man mount and man fstab but could not find it, how to specify the password? |
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| 20:31.11 | Titan8990 | smhar, ah, sorry, it looks like password options are only for smbfs and webdav... you can use public key auth |
| 20:33.00 | Titan8990 | smhar, more secure than putting password in fstab anyhow |
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| 20:35.05 | smhar | Titan8990, I think I should start learning that so I can add both my local computers and my internet webhost to my 'secure' circle |
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| 20:36.22 | miranda_82 | hello, i cant seem to get java webstart running on my squeeze 64 bit box, anyone knows if there is a bug? I keep getting unable to load resource (and its trying to connect to my university apps) |
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| 20:36.43 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 20:36.44 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 20:37.36 | miranda_82 | ok i get it, but ebcause java is quite a popular package, i was wondering if any of you guys came across this issue before |
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| 20:38.05 | Titan8990 | squeeze is in testing, not uncommon for things to be broken, not really supported on irc |
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| 20:48.24 | mgj | Any of you have experience with setting up a music streaming box? If so, what software did you use? I've found plenty options out there, but the quality of most of what i've tried is quite low unfortunately |
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| 20:49.14 | petemc | mgj: mpd is popular |
| 20:49.28 | mgj | mpd you say? Thanks i'll check it out |
| 20:49.40 | petemc | np |
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| 20:50.17 | Titan8990 | alright, my XFCE is having some problems and I was wanting to gather more information before filing a bug report... e.g. "xfce4-panel" was frozen so i killed it and launched it again. Its currently just hung with no errors/output. Nothing in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog. any suggestions on gathering more information for this bug report |
| 20:50.37 | Titan8990 | I know that its actually xfce related because thunar is generating the same behavior |
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| 20:51.38 | Titan8990 | Also ctrl+c or kill is not enough to kill it, i have to do a kill -9 |
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| 20:52.27 | Argafal | i'm wondering: imlib is br0ken in unstable, known bug. i would like to downgrade to the one of stable (stable, testing and unstable are in my sources.list) |
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| 20:52.44 | Argafal | aptitude show -t stable imlib shows me the same as without -t stable. |
| 20:52.55 | Titan8990 | Argafal, mixing releases is bad and can cause a lot of damage |
| 20:53.00 | Titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 20:53.00 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 20:53.33 | Argafal | Titan8990: well, originally this is a testing with some packages from unstable. |
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| 20:53.51 | Argafal | Titan8990: could you elaborate on the problems i could expect if i install imlib from stable? |
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| 20:54.01 | Argafal | (until it is fixed in testing or unstable) |
| 20:54.42 | Argafal | and overall, how would i do so, if i'm stubborn an see the problems myself? :-> aptitude also knows only one version of imlib, the current one... :-/ |
| 20:54.57 | Argafal | of course i could manually do it, not a problem. |
| 20:55.02 | Titan8990 | did you read the previous factoid about downgrading? |
| 20:55.16 | Argafal | i did. but for other pages i see more than one version in aptitude. |
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| 20:55.38 | Argafal | so i understand it IS possible though highly "not recommended"? |
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| 20:57.41 | k\t | wonders if there are any fullscreen screensavers for the xscreensaver-gl hacks |
| 20:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Argafal, for single packages it is possible, but configuration might break, for something like testing->stable (~5000 packages) you probably run into a lot of dependency problems |
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| 20:58.45 | Argafal | CutMeOwnThroat: well, of course. i'm sure i don't want to go from testing -> stable. i just think there is no (at least i don't see one) reason to sit without a working feh now for a week, if htere is a working substitute.... |
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| 20:59.48 | Titan8990 | it might not though. e.g. if a binary is compiled with a certain version of libc, its not going to play well with other versions |
| 20:59.53 | Argafal | ah, i just learned there is a imlib2 and a libimlib2. one exists only in one version, the other in different ones. so i'll try downgrading this one for a week. :) |
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| 21:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:00.31 | Argafal | Titan8990: hm. ok. thanks for clarifying. you are of course very right about that. |
| 21:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Argafal, you could also use the last version you had from testing that works if it's still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:01.08 | Mish- | kj4: The laptop is running Windows 7, it's a Wireless 'N' card, but running at 'G' like the server. |
| 21:01.20 | Argafal | CutMeOwnThroat: brilliant, that might be even much better. |
| 21:01.31 | Argafal | CutMeOwnThroat: would i do this using dpkg -i or is there a better way? |
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| 21:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just dpkg -i |
| 21:01.55 | Mish- | jhutchins: How can I check that the native drivers work in AP mode for the "Atheros AR5001X+" chipset? |
| 21:02.04 | Titan8990 | alright, i ran xfc4-panel through strace: http://paste.debian.net/60311/ |
| 21:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude -f install" if it messes up any dependencies (although then they're probably not fixable with current repos) |
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| 21:03.14 | Titan8990 | it stops at "read(6," , shortly after "connect(6, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/.ICE-unix/3554"...}, 21) = 0", would this mean a problem reading /tmp/.ICE-unix/3554? |
| 21:03.32 | TheAvatar | uhm, how would I make 3 crontabs, that runs at the same time (4:50), but one runs monthly (1st day of month), one runs weekly, but not "overlapping" with the monthly crontab, and last a daily one, that can not overlap weekly and monthly |
| 21:03.40 | Argafal | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, i'm a lucky bastard, it seems there are no dependencies for the downgrade, so i can really only touch that one. |
| 21:04.08 | Argafal | apt archives did not have the old version. so feh is from stable now and works fine. |
| 21:04.09 | apt | Argafal: that's too long |
| 21:04.11 | Argafal | thanks so much! :) |
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| 21:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, it's to long |
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| 21:05.19 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: use lock files? And actually run them say, monthlies at 4:48, weeklies at 4:49, and dailies at 4:50? |
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| 21:06.09 | Titan8990 | alright.. I can see that the file is a socket file... http://paste.debian.net/60314/ |
| 21:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, how often would the weekly one "overlap" with a monthly one anyway... |
| 21:06.35 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: 1-3 times a year |
| 21:06.36 | Titan8990 | Still not certain on what package i would be filing a bug report against, or if this is even valid information of it |
| 21:06.54 | TheAvatar | jelly-home, aha great idea! the script DOES have a lockfile - I should have checked for that - good idea - thanks :) |
| 21:08.09 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: if a process gets killed off (say, power loss or similar), make sure an obsolete lock file doesn't stop them all from running |
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| 21:08.55 | jelly-home | also the dump might hang for some reason |
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| 21:09.47 | Titan8990 | alright... anyone suggest a mailing list for these questions? |
| 21:10.10 | TheAvatar | yer - there's no lockfile now, so I guess the tool cleans it up when its done (or it fails to ever create it!) - but if it cleans up, its likely the one doing the code checks if its stale or not |
| 21:10.20 | TheAvatar | its rsnapshot - maybe any of you know if it handles the lockfile properly? |
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| 21:13.07 | Lesiuk | :) |
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| 21:13.39 | TheAvatar | just for future reference: "ERROR: Lockfile /var/run/rsnapshot.pid exists and so does its process, can not continue" |
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| 21:13.57 | TheAvatar | so if the error message is correct, it also checks the content of the pid :D |
| 21:13.57 | jelly-home | TheAvatar: the package default setup is good enough without you having to overthink it, I think\ |
| 21:14.29 | friedchickenisha | a random question for this channel, yes but I generally find pretty well rounded people here :) anyone know how this exploit works? http://www.inj3ct0r.com/exploits/10805 - I have a client that is hosted with them and want to know if this is still a threat |
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| 21:14.57 | jelly-home | friedchickenisha: uh, ask #debian-security on irc.debian.org? |
| 21:15.32 | jelly-home | (if it's a debian related issue, that is) |
| 21:15.37 | friedchickenisha | jelly-home, it isn't |
| 21:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | did he just say we're fat? |
| 21:16.20 | jelly-home | I think he did |
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| 21:17.24 | jelly-home | Titan8990: is the issue reproducible after restarting X? |
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| 21:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought he did |
| 21:19.06 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, i doubt it, its happened to me 2-3 times in the last month |
| 21:19.11 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, so it does occur rarely |
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| 21:20.23 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, i hadn't restarted X incase it was not easily reproducable... then i have nothing to file a bug report with |
| 21:21.10 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, just did a quick test with strace a thunar, same results |
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| 21:22.24 | Comete | hi |
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| 21:22.45 | Devastator | my X is acting a little crazy, sometimes it will load with one resolution, sometimes other, sometimes one resolution during login, other when loads gnome.. |
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| 21:22.55 | Devastator | but.. testing is testing |
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| 21:24.01 | niklaswe | hmm any ide about this.. i setting up kerberos-server.. my kdc-server name is kerberos.domain.com and Realm = domain.com when i trying to access kdc i got this kadmin -p root/admin |
| 21:24.06 | niklaswe | Authenticating as principal root/admin with password. |
| 21:24.06 | rgr | Devastator: its particularly bad at the moment. I lost X for a few days aiwth the intel driver. had to use vesa. now the intel works it still boots in random resolutions. |
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| 21:25.50 | Comete | i have a little problem with debian squeeze on startup, my system is install on a disk and my home partition on an external USB one. I've set up the home partiton at the end of /etc/fstab but it seems that my usb disk is detected after the system has tried to mount the partiton. So the result is an error like "Unable to resolve 'UUID=..." |
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| 21:26.33 | Comete | is there any tips to tell the system to wait a bit before mounting |
| 21:26.52 | Devastator | rgr are you using testing amd64? |
| 21:27.08 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, restart of X fixed it, as expected |
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| 21:27.50 | Titan8990 | but I'm still dieing to know what caused that socket to not be read.... I can't really have too much system instability |
| 21:29.55 | jelly-home | Titan8990: that ICE socket is used for an X11 extension, buggered if I remember which one |
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| 21:30.13 | Titan8990 | only the xfce applications had issues |
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| 21:30.33 | jelly-home | perhaps because it's only them [that] used it? |
| 21:30.50 | jelly-home | dunno, #debian-xfce is over there --> |
| 21:31.43 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, hehe, there was 4 people there before i joined |
| 21:32.00 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, oh, its on freenode actually |
| 21:32.09 | jelly-home | that's what I said |
| 21:32.20 | jelly-home | .... maybe |
| 21:32.29 | Titan8990 | i thought all the #debian-* channels were on oftc |
| 21:32.35 | jelly-home | upstream has #xfce here |
| 21:32.50 | jelly-home | Titan8990: this channel isn't on oftc! |
| 21:33.02 | Titan8990 | i hate going to upstream channels... first thing they will tell me is that my version is too old |
| 21:33.12 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, it doesn't have a "-" in it hehe |
| 21:33.34 | jelly-home | you got me there! |
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| 21:40.54 | Roland- | hey, im trying to install build-essential on an etch machine, i receive: http://dpaste.com/160728/ |
| 21:41.08 | Roland- | cannot upgrade to lenny until I install this to compile some stuff |
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| 21:41.58 | Titan8990 | Roland-, paste your sources.list |
| 21:42.05 | jelly-home | Roland-: please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 build-essential libc6-dev |
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| 21:42.44 | Roland- | oh shlt this is ubuntu |
| 21:42.45 | Roland- | damn crap |
| 21:42.57 | mgj | lol |
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| 21:43.15 | mgj | Yeah, i bet upgrading to lenny from ubuntu would be hard |
| 21:43.19 | Titan8990 | well, your not going to be upgrading ot lenny |
| 21:43.24 | Roland- | and I added an debian repo in apt now things are funny |
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| 21:43.57 | Titan8990 | Roland-, restore from a backup or visit #ubuntu |
| 21:44.01 | eltristar | i need a wicd template for WPA2+AES? (Enterprise+MSCHAPV2)? |
| 21:44.05 | Roland- | I will go to lenny after a fresh install :P |
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| 21:44.56 | eltristar | i am looking for a wicd template for WPA2+AES? (Enterprise+MSCHAPV2)? |
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| 21:46.34 | Titan8990 | eltristar, they have their own channel #wicd |
| 21:46.54 | eltristar | i know that |
| 21:48.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok I need advice. I have the 5 repo DVDs burned. And i keep the ISOs in my home folder that get automounted by /etc/rc.local. I'm getting pretty tired of having to copy it all back to my home folder after a backup restoration. Its many GB so it takes a while. If I use my WD MyPassport 250GB USB drive to keep them on, is there a good way to just keep them on that external drive and just plug it in before installing software from the repos |
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| 21:48.48 | Shadowcat | why do you need the repository on dvd? |
| 21:48.54 | Shadowcat | don't you have a broadband connection? |
| 21:48.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im guessing I would need to actually have the ISOs extracted into folders on the drive and then add each folder as a source? |
| 21:49.01 | Roland- | dunno where germans have this great ideas of installing ubuntu on production servers. |
| 21:49.03 | Titan8990 | !rc.local |
| 21:49.03 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 21:49.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | Shadowcat: Yes I have broadband thats how I downloaded the DVDs. |
| 21:49.53 | mgj | Roland-, i hear ubuntu server edition is actually quite good now |
| 21:50.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | I wouldnt trust Ubuntu as far as I can throw it for anything. |
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| 21:50.29 | Roland- | cannot be better than debianm im sure. |
| 21:50.36 | Titan8990 | mgj, "server edition" is exactly the same other than the kernel |
| 21:50.45 | Shadowcat | if you have broadband you add ftp.<country code>-debian.org to your sources.list file |
| 21:50.47 | Shadowcat | and leave it alone |
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| 21:50.52 | Shadowcat | err |
| 21:50.55 | mgj | Titan8990, wouldn't know, never used it |
| 21:50.59 | Titan8990 | i don't know how they get away with installing package X and then pretending its a different version/distro |
| 21:51.00 | Shadowcat | ftp.<country code>.debian.org |
| 21:51.32 | Shadowcat | Ubuntu contains a lot of user friendly scripts that debian simply lacks |
| 21:51.47 | mgj | I don't know how they get away with never updating anything and then pretend its a server distro.... *cough* =) |
| 21:51.52 | Shadowcat | if you ever tried installing debian back in the Sarge days you'd know |
| 21:52.00 | Shadowcat | it was A PAIN |
| 21:52.11 | Shadowcat | at least debian has a decent auto mounter now |
| 21:52.21 | Shadowcat | and it wouldn't be in debian if ubuntu hadn't started using it first |
| 21:52.32 | abrotman | it was esay |
| 21:52.42 | Shadowcat | kicks abrotman |
| 21:52.48 | mgj | abrotman, easy, sure. Waste of a time? Most definitely |
| 21:52.51 | Shadowcat | you try installing sarge on a Pentium-M laptop |
| 21:52.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: go back further .. it used to actually be .. "hard" |
| 21:52.57 | Titan8990 | mgj, thats what all the enterprise linux distros have always done. packages get security patchs but not new features that could introduce new bugs |
| 21:52.57 | Shadowcat | and getting everything wokring |
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| 21:53.18 | Shadowcat | forces abrotman to install Debian Woody on a Core 2 Duo |
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| 21:53.31 | abrotman | Shadowcat: give me the hardware :) |
| 21:53.34 | Titan8990 | mgj, minor package upgrades are done on point releases (both debian and red hat) |
| 21:53.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible to add a removable USB drive as a repo source? And if so, what would an example of the source line look like? |
| 21:53.42 | jelly-home | offers Shadowcat a bootable image by a Mr. Kenshi Muto |
| 21:53.56 | mgj | Shadowcat, why would you expect that to cause problems? Sure you would not get proper performance untill you configured a new kernel, but it should *work* no? |
| 21:54.12 | mgj | Titan8990, dont take that sentence too seriously =P |
| 21:54.21 | Shadowcat | mgj: I can tell you that Sarge on a Pentium-M definitely does NOT work properly out of the box |
| 21:54.27 | Shadowcat | it's missing half the kernel modules |
| 21:54.36 | Shadowcat | you have the wrong motherboard and you can't even get online |
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| 21:54.51 | mgj | Cool =) |
| 21:54.56 | Shadowcat | and it didn't have support for any of intel wireless nics either |
| 21:55.04 | mgj | i remember having to disable acpi to even boot sarge on my pc |
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| 21:55.12 | mgj | but other than that.... nah, nothing too bad |
| 21:55.12 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: just like any other file:/ repository, I'd guess? How did you create the repository on the stick? |
| 21:55.22 | Titan8990 | Shadowcat, i don't think the mainstream linux kernel did at the time either |
| 21:55.28 | Shadowcat | Titan8990: it did |
| 21:55.31 | mgj | I just decided having a life was more important than doing *everything* manually |
| 21:55.54 | Shadowcat | because I remember becoming a kernel-package *expert* so that I could get wireless working on my laptop |
| 21:56.18 | Shadowcat | mgj: I just decided that getting my school work done was more important than fighting the OS |
| 21:56.41 | mgj | life... school... work... same thing =) |
| 21:56.58 | Titan8990 | Shadowcat, interesting, that was .11? |
| 21:57.11 | Shadowcat | Titan8990: something like that |
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| 21:57.19 | Shadowcat | I remember compiling custom kernels until 2.6.18 |
| 21:57.24 | Shadowcat | then I stopped |
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| 21:57.58 | mgj | my god, thats some impressive patience |
| 21:58.21 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: Well im guessing Ill just extract the ISO to a folder for each of the DVDs. But Since the repo is on a removeable drive Im not sure if you can direct it to a seperate hard drive. |
| 21:58.28 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: at around that time Debian's kernels became passably usable! |
| 21:58.47 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: something like that yes |
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| 21:58.51 | sportplusbr | www.pt-br.justin.tv/sportplusbr [00:00] NBA: DALLAS MAVERICKS X PHOENIX SUNS |
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| 21:59.04 | jelly-home | wtf. |
| 21:59.08 | Shadowcat | now I use a mac as my main workstation |
| 21:59.14 | Shadowcat | hides |
| 21:59.25 | jelly-home | at least it's a unix |
| 21:59.34 | Shadowcat | dual booting with Windows |
| 21:59.35 | Shadowcat | runs |
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| 21:59.42 | mgj | Shadowcat, why hide? Debian is amazing, but there is absolutely no good reason to run it on your main desktop |
| 21:59.43 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 21:59.46 | mgj | hides even more |
| 21:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit of a waste installing debian on mac-x86 hardware that's twice the price of regular x86 hardware, though |
| 22:00.01 | jelly-home | mgj: "it was already there" |
| 22:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | but better than having to deal with OsX |
| 22:00.25 | mgj | jelly-home, you bought a PC with debian preinstalled? What the... |
| 22:00.36 | Shadowcat | jelly-home is a debian junkie |
| 22:00.44 | jelly-home | mgj: no, this debian was installed around the turn of the century |
| 22:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mgj, it was a fox-and-hare reference |
| 22:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or whatever the animals are in English lore |
| 22:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
| 22:01.17 | jelly-home | mgj: the hardware beneath changed 3-4 times, I _don't_ reinstall the OS |
| 22:01.56 | jelly-home | try that with ubuntu or Windows. |
| 22:02.47 | Shadowcat | can pull it off with both |
| 22:02.50 | Shadowcat | sysprep FTW |
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| 22:03.32 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: from 2000 to win7 or 2008 without a reinstall, and keeping the apps? |
| 22:03.47 | Shadowcat | I can pull it off |
| 22:03.52 | Shadowcat | but I expect to get paid in diamonds |
| 22:04.01 | jelly-home | yeah, but you won't in practice |
| 22:04.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible to point to drives by a UUID name like some other Debian based distro so that I wouldnt have to wory about something like /media/disk/ woundnt ever change if I had more than one drive plugged in? |
| 22:05.25 | jelly-home | truth be told, total time spent making the machine do what you want is probably similar. If I had to setup a fresh machine now, Debian wouldn't be my first or second choice. |
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| 22:05.57 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: yes, it is. |
| 22:06.46 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ symlinks are udev functionality |
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| 22:08.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: How do i know which UUID belongs to which drive? |
| 22:08.35 | jelly-home | that's for you to find out. The point is uuids won't change |
| 22:08.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: Yeah i already know that, its why I asked about them. |
| 22:09.10 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: what's the question about then? |
| 22:09.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: I have 3 UUIDs listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 22:10.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: No idea which one is for my 250Gb external drive. |
| 22:10.54 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: unplug it, see what disappears? |
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| 22:11.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:11.46 | karme | LinuxGuy2009: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 22:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, aww, come on - you pay $5 and I pay $5 and then we watch Shadowcat pull it off.... (see http://ln-s.net/52vf ) |
| 22:13.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | karme: yep that helps. Shows at the end the hda1 or sda1 etc. thanks |
| 22:13.18 | Shadowcat | I do have things to do you know |
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| 22:13.30 | dmarkey_ | how can i get debootstrap to use secure apt |
| 22:13.32 | jelly-home | fuck you a bet's a bet |
| 22:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not as if we wouldn't pay you in diamonds... |
| 22:13.58 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: lend me $5? :-) |
| 22:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't say we have to pre-pay him, though |
| 22:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | goods first |
| 22:14.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Now my 250GB USB drive is UUID 7d47ad79-690d-44a1-b9ad-93bed6c60159. Now how do I use that on my sources.list? |
| 22:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, it'd even be *lots* of diamonds :) |
| 22:15.32 | jelly-home | rather small ones though |
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| 22:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, and I thought size doesn't matter... |
| 22:15.57 | nike | I have a six drive RAID-5 array with 1 broken drive. It has XFS on it, a 9 TiB filesystem that is 2/3rds full. The filesystem seems corrupted in addition to the RAID array being degraded. Should I fsck.xfs first or use mdadm to rebuild the array next? |
| 22:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you fsck if it's not assembled anyway? |
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| 22:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never heard you can fsck a piece of an FS |
| 22:17.27 | jelly-home | presumably it's assembled but degraded |
| 22:17.36 | jelly-home | (the array) |
| 22:17.50 | jelly-home | oh, and that's what he said |
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| 22:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I see |
| 22:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | in that case I don't see how it would matter... do you? |
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| 22:18.58 | jelly-home | I'd wait for the array to rebuild, and check the validity of backups, too |
| 22:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | except if additional things break during fsck :) |
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| 22:19.30 | jelly-home | fsck comes last, if one has time |
| 22:19.40 | nike | jelly-home: Oh hi, it's me again. The one with the RAID superblock information on the root device sda, sdb, etc. as well as sda1, sdb1, etc. |
| 22:19.55 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 22:20.00 | jelly-home | runs away screaming |
| 22:20.12 | nike | jelly-home: I have a new drive it just arrived today, so I need to find the bad drive and replace it with the new one. |
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| 22:21.46 | CGamesPlay | Hello, I'm trying to disable the nethack option in screen, but screen isn't listening. Anyone know why? |
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| 22:23.21 | jelly-home | CGamesPlay: new moon tonight. You're unlucky. |
| 22:23.26 | CGamesPlay | verily ::) |
| 22:23.55 | \amethyst | CGamesPlay: and you have nethack off in .screenrc? |
| 22:24.20 | CGamesPlay | \amethyst: yes. |
| 22:24.34 | jelly-home | Wuff Wuff! |
| 22:24.35 | CGamesPlay | The message I'm talking about specifcally is screen saying "woof" when I press tab |
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| 22:25.35 | \amethyst | CGamesPlay: that's not nethack mode |
| 22:25.45 | \amethyst | CGamesPlay: look for vbell_msg in the manpage |
| 22:26.02 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I'd expect a bell to go *ding* not Wuff |
| 22:26.27 | \amethyst | I dunno, but the manpage lists "Wuff, Wuff!!" as the default |
| 22:26.38 | jelly-home | must be a Debian patch |
| 22:26.40 | CGamesPlay | \amethyst: oh my, that fixed it |
| 22:26.44 | CGamesPlay | thank you so much! :) |
| 22:27.18 | nike | jelly-home: Yeah, the XFS filesystem is a little fucked up on it too. I need to run fsck.xfs and I hope that will fix the data that is suddenly missing in certain folders and shows up in others as empty files in pink |
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| 22:27.52 | nike | Structure needs cleaning |
| 22:28.52 | jelly-home | nike: I can only reiterate: if you value your data, use a commercial recovery service instead of possibly ruining the data more with fsck |
| 22:29.26 | nike | jelly-home: Oh, it's really not 100% important. it's not like for a compnay or my job or antyhing. |
| 22:29.31 | nike | It's all re-attainable. |
| 22:29.38 | jelly-home | doesn't know anything about empty files in pink |
| 22:30.00 | jelly-home | well, if it had been pron, I guess some pink spily over |
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| 22:30.11 | jelly-home | spilled? spilt? |
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| 22:32.41 | nike | jelly-home: Ok it's okay, I just need to get the md superblock info off of sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, sde, and sdf. |
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| 22:33.41 | Amarande | nike: I'm sorry, is this sde here that I was resting my soda on? I'm afraid it sweated on it ... |
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| 22:34.21 | Amarande | and by 'all re-attainable' you mean 'mostly torrented stuff' I imagine LOL |
| 22:34.28 | octocpp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.37 | nike | So I can reboot and have mdadm autodetect sda1, sdc1, sdd1, sde1, and sdf1 will be automatically set up without the md superblock info on the root device MBR messing things up. |
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| 22:37.42 | DanDare | Hello. I want to install some packages using apt or aptitude but cant download from internet. I have uploaded the packages to /var/cache/apt/archives. Now, how to update system making apt to recognize those files? |
| 22:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll find them automatically there if they're the version it wants |
| 22:39.43 | abrotman | DanDare: what's wrong with 'dpkg -i' ? |
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| 22:44.22 | SimManiac | dpkg -i and if dependencies happen, aptitude -f install |
| 22:44.23 | dpkg | installs and if dependencies happen, aptitude -f install into simmaniac's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 22:44.28 | DanDare | abrotman, i dont know what´s wrong with 'dpkg -i' |
| 22:44.29 | SimManiac | ¿? |
| 22:44.34 | SimManiac | what did just happen? |
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| 22:44.46 | DanDare | thanks guys, will try that SimManiac |
| 22:45.19 | SimManiac | dpkg: help |
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| 22:45.27 | yassine | hi all |
| 22:45.34 | nike | How can I safely remove MD superblock information from my hard drives via my block device files |
| 22:45.52 | nike | /dev/sda has md superblock info and I want it gone. /dev/sda1 has superblock info and I want that to say there. |
| 22:45.58 | yassine | is there a way to male dd_rescue stop & resume copying a partition ? |
| 22:46.08 | yassine | s/male/make/& |
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| 22:49.08 | scummos | hi :) sound does not work on my notebook. i don't have any experience with sound setup (always worked out-of-the-box so far), so could someone point me to where to start? :) |
| 22:50.10 | karme | !alsa-checklist |
| 22:50.11 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 22:51.38 | SPF | configure: error: "function ctime_r not found.", any idea what package I need? I already installed build-essential and kernel sources |
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| 23:04.15 | scummos | karme: thanks, but... did everything except 4, and it didn't work =/ |
| 23:04.30 | scummos | i remember using the "alsaconf" program. isn't that available any more |
| 23:04.31 | scummos | ? |
| 23:04.50 | karme | !alsaconf |
| 23:04.50 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 23:05.29 | scummos | !install alsa |
| 23:05.30 | dpkg | "aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Lenny and Squeeze users with ESS Allegro/Maestro3 devices: ask me about <maestro3>. Squeeze users with Cirrus Logic CS46XX devices: ask me about <cs46xx>. |
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| 23:07.06 | twobitsprite | I just installed testing, and I don't have a "xen-linux..." packages |
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| 23:07.57 | scummos | karme: it beeps, but it doesn't play sound... |
| 23:08.08 | twobitsprite | the wiki page says I should be using the xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-686 package, but I don't have anything like that |
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| 23:10.10 | scummos | huh, works now |
| 23:10.17 | scummos | don't know why, don't know how, but works. thanks :p |
| 23:10.27 | karme | :-)) |
| 23:10.52 | scummos | is gonna go to bed... |
| 23:10.58 | scummos | good night everyone :) |
| 23:11.00 | scummos | bye |
| 23:11.03 | karme | bye |
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| 23:18.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Durring the install of Debian it asks if you want to install a desktop environment and laptop stuff and server stuff. Is there a way to bring that up at the command line after install at a later time? |
| 23:19.20 | xyan | LinuxGuy2009: tasksel |
| 23:19.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan: cool thank you |
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| 23:24.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Shouldn't I be able to take the standard install, open aptitude from a TTY, remove all non-essential packages from the system. Then do "apt-get install xdm xserver-xorg fluxbox" to get a really fast basic system? Then add to that whatever else I need? |
| 23:25.56 | micket1 | LinuxGuy2009: Use a netinstall, thats basically what you end up with (if you didn't select anything else during the install process) |
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| 23:35.58 | dTal | Hi folks. What does "adep" mean, in the context of dependencies? |
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| 23:38.41 | dTal | And while I'm at it, is there a way of building only one of the several packages a source package provides? |
| 23:39.06 | f00li5h[HireMe] | i've just done a fresh install from a 5.0 disk, and my chosen mirror has no route to host. whick package do I dpkjg-reconfigure to get the "which mirror?" question? |
| 23:39.34 | dTal | I've been using dpkg-buildpackage and it always builds them all. |
| 23:39.58 | f00li5h[HireMe] | dTal: maybe you should dhip them as seperate packages? |
| 23:40.16 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: you don't, you edit /etc/apt/sources.list or look at apt-spy. /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 23:40.33 | dTal | dhip? |
| 23:40.50 | f00li5h[HireMe] | i don't have a ist of mirrors... but the insstaller knows |
| 23:41.20 | llimeht | dpkg: tell f00li5h[HireMe] about mirrors |
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| 23:43.23 | dondelelcaro | dTal: not really |
| 23:43.39 | f00li5h[HireMe] | llimeht: and where do i get apt-spy from? |
| 23:44.07 | dTal | Oh well. And "adep"? |
| 23:44.09 | dondelelcaro | dTal: for most packages, the actual bit of separating the build into separate packages is a very small part of the build time, so it doesn't gain you anything |
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| 23:44.41 | dondelelcaro | dTal: I've never heard of adep. There's adep*t*... |
| 23:45.15 | dTal | dondelelcaro: well, last package I built (libcairo for reference) seemed to build a lot of the files multiple times, presumably with different flags? |
| 23:45.21 | dTal | I dunno |
| 23:46.05 | dTal | dondelelcaro: check out the dependency list for the libsdl source package |
| 23:46.43 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: you'd have to download it and its dependencies from your local mirror. It's probably easier to edit your sources.list manually. |
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| 23:47.26 | f00li5h[HireMe] | ah |
| 23:47.35 | dondelelcaro | dTal: what about it? |
| 23:47.40 | f00li5h[HireMe] | so i need workung mirrors to get it... |
| 23:48.24 | dTal | all the dependencies are labeled "adep" instead of "dep" |
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| 23:48.54 | dondelelcaro | dTal: where are you seeing that? |
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| 23:49.26 | f00li5h[HireMe] | llimeht: can you do me a massive favour and name for me, a known good mirror? |
| 23:49.59 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 23:50.00 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 23:50.03 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h[HireMe]: see above |
| 23:50.12 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: no point... I'd end up picking one that is quite slow for you. Look at the mirrors list that dpkg told you about and pick one that is geographically close to you. That's a good start. |
| 23:50.44 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h[HireMe]: but for example, debian.usc.edu works, as does linux.csua.berkeley.edu or mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:50.57 | dTal | dondelelcaro: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/libsdl1.2 |
| 23:50.58 | f00li5h[HireMe] | great! |
| 23:51.30 | dTal | underneath the part where it lists all the packages that can be built from it |
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| 23:52.14 | dondelelcaro | dTal: what, the udeb bit? |
| 23:52.52 | dTal | the last binary package listed has udeb in the name |
| 23:53.03 | dTal | then, after that, is the dependency list |
| 23:53.16 | dondelelcaro | dTal: yes, so you're asking what a udeb is? |
| 23:53.18 | dTal | which is full of "adep"s |
| 23:53.40 | dTal | and I want to know what "adep" means |
| 23:54.07 | dTal | especially since a lot of those libs are options I won't be compiling in |
| 23:54.12 | f00li5h[HireMe] | ffs... [connecting ti debian.usc.edu (0.0.0.1)] |
| 23:54.13 | dTal | like X11 |
| 23:54.30 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h[HireMe]: uh... your dns is busted |
| 23:55.02 | dondelelcaro | dTal: oh, adep is just what is shown instead of a red bullet; |
| 23:55.09 | f00li5h[HireMe] | only on debian boxen though |
| 23:55.21 | f00li5h[HireMe] | and this is a clean install... |
| 23:55.38 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h[HireMe]: well, it's quite clear that whatever dns server you're using is totally broken if debian.usc.edu is resolving to 0.0.0.1 |
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| 23:55.55 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: presumably your adsl modem or similar is providing your dns and is telling lies about its ability to resolve things. This is unfortunately quite common. |
| 23:56.07 | dTal | but normally it says "dep" |
| 23:56.15 | f00li5h[HireMe] | it seems to be new... |
| 23:56.18 | dondelelcaro | dTal: its just an abbreviation for build-dependends ulidep are build-depends-indep |
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| 23:56.40 | dondelelcaro | dTal: normally it actually just has colored bullets, unless you're using a text-only browser |
| 23:56.41 | f00li5h[HireMe] | it has been fine in the past... |
| 23:56.52 | dTal | elinks :) |
| 23:57.09 | dTal | hmm, but if I disable those options in debian/rules, it shouldn't complain, should it |
| 23:57.14 | f00li5h[HireMe] | don't have it |
| 23:57.21 | dondelelcaro | dTal: why are you rebuilding those libraries anyway? |
| 23:57.29 | dondelelcaro | dTal: there's no reason to bother with it |
| 23:57.36 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: some other legacy operating systems keep trying again and again until they get a sensible answer from the dns server. Linux assumes your dns server isn't broken. |
| 23:58.12 | f00li5h[HireMe] | llimeht: how do I correct that assumption? |
| 23:58.18 | dTal | so I can compile against a newer directfb |
| 23:58.25 | dondelelcaro | dTal: why? |
| 23:58.40 | dTal | which supports rotation over 90 degree increments |
| 23:59.11 | dTal | (for which I had to dip into experimental, incidentally) |
| 23:59.44 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: either have a stern discussion with your adsl modem to tell it stop being so stupid, or tell your machine to use your ISPs dns servers directly rather than the modem. /msg dpkg override dns |