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| 00:00.13 | dondelelcaro | dTal: then just rebuild libsdl against experimental; you don't need to muck with the dependencies or the debian/rules file |
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| 00:00.41 | dTal | except I'm taking the opportunity to trim it down |
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| 00:00.47 | f00li5h[HireMe] | llimeht: no browser... just base. i'll hack reoslv.conf |
| 00:01.19 | llimeht | f00li5h[HireMe]: if you're using dhcp, then your changes to resolv.conf won't persist. |
| 00:02.02 | dTal | I haven't got much ram or disk space on this thing, and every little helps |
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| 00:02.49 | f00li5h[HireMe] | llimeht: they'll last long enough to install ff so u can tell thtis modem off |
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| 00:05.55 | f00li5h[HireMe] | oh, look... the nameservers from this other box make apt-get work right |
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| 00:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | f00li5h[HireMe]: lynx |
| 00:26.02 | octocpp | is it nessesary to iwconfig wlan0 essid "myidname" , and iwconfig wlan0 ap any, and ifup wlan0, every time i reboot my computer ? |
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| 00:31.27 | amphi | octocpp: no; you can set up /etc/network/interfaces to do all that automagically at boot |
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| 00:33.45 | octocpp | amphi: ok, this is the first time i used wifi, so I wasnt sure what was normal or not, and i wanted to know how to do it without a gui manager :) |
| 00:35.26 | amphi | octocpp: man 5 interfaces has the gory details |
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| 00:36.24 | SimManiac | hi |
| 00:36.26 | adb | amphi, google too ;) |
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| 00:37.39 | octocpp | amphi: thanks, Ill read the gore |
| 00:38.55 | yassine | anyone of you guys familiar with dd_rescue ? |
| 00:40.09 | jelly-home | octocpp: actually, man 7 wireless may have more interesting details |
| 00:40.29 | adb | yassine, /msg dpkg ddrescue |
| 00:40.33 | octocpp | cool thanks |
| 00:40.49 | Ambush | i just found google the other day..man, its so amazing! |
| 00:40.54 | Ambush | its like it knows everything!@#! |
| 00:40.56 | octocpp | can i set stuff up in the default local script somehow too ? |
| 00:41.03 | octocpp | where is that script ? |
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| 00:41.08 | yassine | adb, im not using ddrescue but dd_rescue, ddrescue != dd_rescue |
| 00:41.08 | Ambush | heh |
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| 00:41.18 | lsd | finally finishes rolling his own lenny 5.04 netinstall |
| 00:41.38 | lsd | bloody dell |
| 00:41.57 | adb | yassine, read above |
| 00:42.02 | jelly-home | octocpp: amphi already told you the config file you need to edit to set it up |
| 00:42.24 | jelly-home | yassine: ask your real question, please |
| 00:42.34 | yassine | jelly-home, im wondering if i interrupt an active copying/recovering session and try to resume/restart it using the -s ipos ( last shown position) and -S opos (last seen postion) if it will work ) |
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| 00:43.28 | jelly-home | yassine: it's supposed to but I haven't been in a position to need it |
| 00:44.01 | croddy | i've just noticed that if i get a windows executable file, chmod it +x, and then run it, wine is invoked. i do not like this and want to disable it. is there a way to ensure wine only runs when i explicitly invoke it? |
| 00:44.19 | yassine | jelly-home, i came to this idea as dd_rescue is printing the positions of its input and output files (partitions in my case) and after reading dd_rescue dev page i have seen the options -s and -S |
| 00:44.31 | octocpp | jelly-home: I know, someone else said i should put that stuff in the script, and i am just trying to figure out what is the most preferred kosher way to do things(less of the hack way) |
| 00:44.38 | jelly-home | yassine: test it on two smaller files! |
| 00:45.06 | yassine | jelly-home, good one! |
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| 00:45.30 | jelly-home | octocpp: use interfaces if you can. |
| 00:45.57 | octocpp | ok, I will dothat |
| 00:46.00 | octocpp | thanks |
| 00:46.21 | octocpp | in aptitude search, what does a "p" mean again ? |
| 00:46.29 | octocpp | i is installed right |
| 00:46.40 | octocpp | a means automatically installed |
| 00:47.00 | octocpp | what is "p"? |
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| 00:52.42 | croddy | well i ended up just going with update-rc.d -f remove binfmt-support, maybe too big of a hammer for a small problem but i didn't like the idea that my kernel was helpfully executing crap from the most virus-ridden OS out there |
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| 00:57.02 | jelly-home | croddy: binfmt stuff isn't installed by default |
| 00:57.18 | croddy | i wonder what installed it |
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| 00:57.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, apt and aptitude keep logs nowadays |
| 00:57.53 | dpkg | jelly-home: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:58.09 | croddy | yeah im just looking up the rev deps |
| 00:58.26 | croddy | aha wine-unstable suggested it |
| 00:58.33 | croddy | i'll just purge it like so much bad whiskey then |
| 00:58.46 | jelly-home | wth would you automatically install Suggests anyway! |
| 00:58.54 | croddy | i must have been on drugs |
| 00:59.10 | jelly-home | let's just leave it at that |
| 00:59.11 | croddy | because it could only have been by manual intervention that i installed it |
| 00:59.18 | croddy | thanks |
| 00:59.18 | Amarande | you know, it says on that vodka bottle that alcohol may impair your ability to operate machinery :| |
| 00:59.26 | jelly-home | "I wonder what this button does" |
| 00:59.36 | croddy | "yes, do as i say" |
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| 00:59.53 | jelly-home | Amarande: s/air/rove/ |
| 01:00.17 | jelly-home | er, typo, but ykwim |
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| 01:00.57 | jelly-home | !flw |
| 01:00.57 | dpkg | <chpUke> Well, I have everything including experimental in my sources.list. |
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| 01:09.23 | f00li5h[HireMe] | so my modem is idiotic... it looks like i'm going to have to stick a box between me and it to hide the lies it DHCP's out -_- |
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| 01:11.35 | jelly-home | I've already metered your nick, haven't I |
| 01:12.02 | jelly-home | !nickometer f00li5h[HireMe] |
| 01:12.03 | dpkg | 'f00li5h[HireMe]' is 57.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 01:12.15 | f00li5h[HireMe] | it's less lame when i'm unemployed ;) |
| 01:12.17 | jelly-home | yeah, that looks familiar |
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| 01:13.08 | jelly-home | no, it's more lame now that you're unemployed :-| |
| 01:13.16 | f00li5h[HireMe] | no kidding |
| 01:13.19 | f00li5h[HireMe] | jelly-home: hire me! |
| 01:13.36 | jelly-home | f00li5h[HireMe]: want to move to Croatia? |
| 01:13.46 | f00li5h[HireMe] | telecommute? |
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| 01:14.01 | jelly-home | there are meetings, sometimes |
| 01:14.03 | f00li5h[HireMe] | if you want, i'll even agree to be on skype... |
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| 01:14.31 | f00li5h[HireMe] | meetings ... might need video ;) |
| 01:14.32 | coolkehon | whats this mean when trying to install python 2.6 |
| 01:14.33 | coolkehon | update-binfmts: warning: Couldn't load the binfmt_misc module. |
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| 01:15.03 | f00li5h[HireMe] | mts means Mobile Technical Support to me... so I don't have a useful answer |
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| 01:15.28 | jelly-home | coolkehon: it means your kernel doesn't support binfmt functionality |
| 01:15.38 | coolkehon | jelly-home: how do i fix it? |
| 01:15.42 | jelly-home | ignore it |
| 01:15.45 | coolkehon | ok |
| 01:16.17 | f00li5h[HireMe] | what's the thing with flash? |
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| 01:16.33 | f00li5h[HireMe] | I haven't run a debian desktop for like 3 years |
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| 01:18.08 | karme | flash must die |
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| 01:20.19 | autoscum | Hello again to those who remember me. |
| 01:20.41 | f00li5h[HireMe] | karme: youtube movies, I want to watch them |
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| 01:21.46 | karme | f00li5h[HireMe]: clive |
| 01:21.49 | karlpinc | f00li5h[HireMe]: It's not free. You want to depend on one company for all video content? Since this is not support related, other than it's impossible to support non-free stuff properly, the place to take the discussion is #debian-offtopic. |
| 01:22.38 | f00li5h[HireMe] | right, licences.... iAnal... |
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| 01:22.57 | f00li5h[HireMe] | is the answer""no youtube for you"? |
| 01:23.48 | amphi | f00li5h[HireMe]: clive will grab videos off youtube, and you can play them with mplayer or whatever |
| 01:24.45 | f00li5h[HireMe] | is mozilla-plugin-vlc remotely helpful? |
| 01:25.04 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:26.36 | coolkehon | jelly-home: if i ignore it then dpkg exist with an error |
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| 01:27.08 | jelly-home | let it exist! |
| 01:27.37 | coolkehon | :P |
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| 01:27.47 | coolkehon | jelly-home: it exits |
| 01:27.53 | jelly-home | coolkehon: more srsly, you're using Debian testing or unstable. Check bugs.debian.org for bugs or file a new one. |
| 01:28.05 | coolkehon | -.- |
| 01:28.13 | coolkehon | its when trying to install python2.6 |
| 01:29.26 | coolkehon | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m63edc21 |
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| 01:29.30 | jelly-home | coolkehon: so, it's likely a bug in that package. When reporting the bug make sure to include the whole output of the installation command. |
| 01:29.36 | coolkehon | actually |
| 01:29.37 | coolkehon | http://pastebin.com/m63edc21 |
| 01:30.28 | jelly-home | also, don't use --force options without good reason |
| 01:30.53 | jelly-home | coolkehon: which debian release is this? |
| 01:31.23 | coolkehon | jelly-home: did it to try to bypass the option |
| 01:31.52 | jelly-home | judd: versions python2.6 --arch amd64 |
| 01:31.53 | judd | python2.6 -- squeeze: 2.6.4-5; sid: 2.6.4-6 |
| 01:31.53 | coolkehon | Debian 2.6.26-19 |
| 01:33.11 | jelly-home | coolkehon: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 python2.6 | tail -2; echo; cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:33.53 | coolkehon | http://pastie.org/830078 |
| 01:33.58 | coolkehon | jelly-home: ^ |
| 01:34.43 | coolkehon | also "they" edited the source.list and added stuff from another version of debian ( i don't think they should have done that ) |
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| 01:34.50 | coolkehon | here is the pastie of that http://pastebin.com/m7303a409 |
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| 01:35.35 | syntaxx | i will be setting up a router/gateway using debian i wonder if i could use 2 isp on a single network what application should i use if its possible? |
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| 01:35.57 | jelly-home | coolkehon: tell "them" mixing debian releases is not supported and not a good idea. |
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| 01:36.17 | coolkehon | though so |
| 01:37.12 | jelly-home | coolkehon: never try to install packages from unstable on an installation of debian stable, the system will behave erratically and doing a rollback is hard. |
| 01:38.18 | jelly-home | coolkehon: use backports if there are any (/msg dpkg bpo); if you absolutely require python 2.6, install it from source under a separate tree. |
| 01:38.26 | Amarande | coolkehon: either use backports, or download the SOURCE deb from sid and build that as a package against stable |
| 01:38.34 | coolkehon | yeah |
| 01:38.38 | jelly-home | Amarande: that won't work with python. |
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| 01:38.54 | coolkehon | i suggest they do a fresh install because i think they installed other stuff from those packages |
| 01:39.34 | jelly-home | "they" should do that. A partial downgrage might be possible, it seems at least libc6 wasn't upgraded and that's a good thing. |
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| 01:40.03 | jelly-home | !partial downgrade |
| 01:40.04 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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| 01:40.58 | jelly-home | coolkehon: remove the unstable line. Also remove that webmin sarge line if that's an option, sarge is _very_ old. |
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| 01:41.18 | jelly-home | !webmin |
| 01:41.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 01:42.19 | jelly-home | out |
| 01:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, I'd MUCH rather shove table knives into live electrical outlets. |
| 01:46.45 | karme | i never liked webmin - but is it really that bad? |
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| 01:47.21 | Drone4four | how do I uninstall the version of Chrome without the deb I used to install it initially? |
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| 01:48.21 | leejongwook | [Q] x-window installation guide ? |
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| 01:49.16 | gkahla | anyone know of a curses-based wifi config tool? |
| 01:50.23 | gkahla | something that'll present SSIDs it detects, remember security settings - just command line based. |
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| 01:53.06 | jhutchins_lt | karme: When things go wrong with it, they tend to go rather horribly wrong. |
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| 01:54.16 | DanDare | jhutchins, you mean about network security ? |
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| 01:55.49 | leejongwook | [Q] how do i download a package with its dependencies ? |
| 01:56.03 | DanDare | leejongwook, use apt |
| 01:56.23 | DanDare | leejongwook, or aptitude: aptitude install package |
| 01:56.30 | leejongwook | aptitude download <pkg_name> <-- i know this but don't know about dependency |
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| 01:57.07 | DanDare | leejongwook, that commands will download and install |
| 01:57.29 | leejongwook | it download the specified package only |
| 01:59.42 | DanDare | leejongwook, i dont read it but looks like what you want http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/howto-download-packages-and-dependencies-for-offline-installation/ |
| 01:59.56 | leejongwook | i was reading that |
| 02:00.00 | leejongwook | DanDare, thanks :) |
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| 02:00.10 | leejongwook | i'll make my own script |
| 02:00.16 | leejongwook | DanDare, :) |
| 02:00.23 | DanDare | ok :) |
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| 02:20.02 | paissad | guys, i want to install a package which is available in 3 repositories of my sources.list, but i would like to make prior one of the repository for just one of my packages ! |
| 02:20.05 | paissad | how must i proceed ! |
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| 02:21.17 | paissad | for example, i have mplayer which is available in debian-multimedia.org, in debian/sid & debian/lenny, but i would like to install it only from debian/sid |
| 02:21.19 | paissad | apt-cache policy mplayer | pastebinit - |
| 02:21.20 | paissad | http://pastebin.com/f38d822d8 |
| 02:21.41 | dark | I have installed lighttpd, there is some special configuration I need to do? I can't access http://127.0.0.1 |
| 02:22.03 | paissad | and i also would like to make upgrades of mplayer only available from debian/sid ( don't care about other repositories ) |
| 02:23.01 | dark | ah nevermind |
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| 02:24.00 | devin_ | not that I'm complaining but how come the latest gdm haven't been added to sid or testing? |
| 02:24.31 | dark | is very happy with slim |
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| 02:27.17 | Wyzard | paissad: apt uses the newest available version of a package by default, so you don't have to do anything special to make it prefer sid if you have sid sources |
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| 02:28.00 | Wyzard | paissad: If you wanted it to ignore the sid version and use the older lenny version instead, then you'd have to do some configuration |
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| 02:29.53 | LobbyZ | Hello, how do i add more IPs to a dedicated server if they are assigned but are not showing up? |
| 02:30.23 | paissad | Wyzard, actually, the version in debian/sid seems to be newer even if the version number used for SID is lower than the version used by debian-multimedia |
| 02:30.26 | paissad | that's the matter ! |
| 02:30.36 | Wyzard | paissad: What are the version numbers? |
| 02:31.06 | paissad | Wyzard, http://pastebin.com/f5b045b1d |
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| 02:32.01 | Wyzard | hmm, I wonder why d-m uses an epoch |
| 02:33.09 | Wyzard | !tell paissad about pinning |
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| 02:34.20 | paissad | Wyzard, sorry, but what did you mean by epoch ^^ |
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| 02:34.38 | Wyzard | the 1: at the beginning of the version number |
| 02:35.09 | Wyzard | which is considered newer than all versions without an epoch -- they implicitly begin with 0: |
| 02:35.13 | devin_ | how do you get icons and what not to display on desktop? |
| 02:35.52 | Wyzard | That's why apt considers the debian-multimedia package to be a newer version |
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| 02:36.55 | paissad | ok thanks |
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| 02:39.03 | Wyzard | paissad: I think you'd want to use something like Pin: origin "www.debian-multimedia.org" and give it a low Pin-Priority |
| 02:39.41 | paissad | Wyzard, yeah, but only for mplayer if possible |
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| 02:41.10 | Wyzard | paissad: Right, Package: mplayer |
| 02:41.21 | paissad | ok |
| 02:41.29 | Wyzard | maybe Package: mplayer* |
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| 03:04.24 | Romney2012 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:05.45 | Absolute0 | ati HD 4850 or nvidia gtx 250 for linux and crysis? |
| 03:07.30 | Romney2012 | MITT ROMNEY at Yeshiva University in 2007: "In the current conflict, defeat is not nearly as dangerously close as it was during the darkest moments of the Second World War and the Cold War. There's no comparison between the economic and diplomatic, and military resources of the civilized world and those of the terrorist networks that threaten us today. "In those previous global wars, there were many ways to lose, and victory |
| 03:07.54 | Tramp | !ops Romney2012 spambot |
| 03:07.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: Romney2012 spambot |
| 03:08.01 | Romney2012 | and that is if we as a civilized world decide not to lift a finger to defend ourselves, or our values, and our way of life. "I will not be silent, you will not be silent. "Today, we can lead the world. We can and we must lead the world to do what it has sought for so many centuries-to accept different people and different cultures, to respect the inalienable rights of every child of God, and to welcome a time of peace and pro |
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| 03:08.09 | Romney2012 | Vote Mitt Romney for President |
| 03:08.12 | Romney2012 | 2012 |
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| 03:42.14 | ElllisD | What & where is the setting that makes apt discard all cached packages? regardless of if they're available for download or not |
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| 03:43.28 | keith4_ | apt-cache clean? |
| 03:43.53 | ElllisD | right, but in the config file so it's like when you tell synaptic to never cache |
| 03:44.45 | ElllisD | maybe i could set the size to zero.... |
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| 03:48.11 | ElllisD | Dir::Cache::archives. Generation of caches can be turned off by setting their names to be blank. |
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| 04:12.46 | HandyGandy | What is the simplest way to get a list of required packes ina machine readable format? |
| 04:14.45 | nooper | which format can machines not read? |
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| 04:19.13 | Cephalon | hello ppl, can someone please tell me where i download kde 4.4 packages, i don't want to compile it |
| 04:21.24 | Tramp | !kde4 |
| 04:21.25 | dpkg | kde 4 is, like, the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ See also <kde squeeze>. |
| 04:21.34 | Tramp | Cephalon: ^^ - no idea if that helps |
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| 04:22.44 | Cephalon | i have kde 4.3 but i want kde 4.4 |
| 04:22.51 | Cephalon | the new release |
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| 04:41.15 | HandyGandy | Cephalon: Very likely you will have to download the source and compile. |
| 04:42.09 | Cephalon | HandyGandy: if i want to compile i would get gentoo not debian :( |
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| 05:16.14 | CodeNinja | hmmm this is quite weird.... I have 3 VPS boxes 1 running lenny, 2 running squeeze, one of the ones on squeeze cannot ping the internet, but can traceroute to the router. all 3 are same network configuration, each with their own specified IP. |
| 05:16.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just got back from Walmart, I bought a Logitech webcam C300h. It cost $40 how can I fond out if its gonna work with Debian 5 before I open it up? |
| 05:17.46 | pickcoder | LinuxGuy2009: google the model and find out if it's a UVC camera |
| 05:17.51 | pickcoder | if it is, take it back |
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| 05:19.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | pickcoder: Ok |
| 05:19.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | pickcoder: Whats UVC stand for? |
| 05:20.42 | pickcoder | usb video class |
| 05:20.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ah ok |
| 05:21.04 | roe | running squeeze, I have all of a sudden lost the ability to mount an nfs share |
| 05:21.11 | pickcoder | support is in infant stage in Linux |
| 05:21.20 | keith4_ | roe, restart portmap |
| 05:21.31 | pickcoder | it will "work" depending on what you want to do with it |
| 05:21.48 | roe | tried that |
| 05:21.50 | pickcoder | and how much time you have and how much pain you can stand |
| 05:21.51 | roe | mounting just hangs |
| 05:22.15 | keith4_ | roe, how about 'showmount -e servername' ? |
| 05:22.55 | roe | looks good |
| 05:23.13 | roe | - /export/raid * |
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| 05:23.45 | DanDare | Hello. Samba have a default value for limiting number of files per directory ? |
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| 05:24.05 | DanDare | It´s happening something weird. I linked 'ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives ./temp' where temp is located on a drive shared trough SAMBA. On a second machine on LAN, after mounting the network drive the "temp" directory dont contain all the files. Any clue ? |
| 05:24.19 | keith4_ | DanDare, permissions |
| 05:24.20 | DanDare | Or any restriction about file names lenght ? |
| 05:24.40 | keith4_ | try #samba |
| 05:24.43 | DanDare | keith4, but how some files are listened but not others ? |
| 05:24.46 | DanDare | allright, thanks |
| 05:25.55 | pickcoder | roe: firewall goodies in the way? |
| 05:26.09 | roe | nope |
| 05:26.48 | keith4_ | roe, what changed? upgrades? |
| 05:26.51 | roe | the mount works fine in OS X |
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| 05:27.07 | roe | keith4, probably, not sure when the mount stopped working |
| 05:27.24 | keith4_ | anything in syslog on the server? |
| 05:27.31 | roe | nope |
| 05:27.33 | roe | nor on the client |
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| 05:31.30 | roe | restarting nfs-kernel-server I get this line on the server: |
| 05:31.33 | roe | Feb 18 00:26:28 ariel nfsd[21785]: nfssvc: Setting version failed: errno 16 (Device or resource busy) |
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| 06:02.13 | aaron | hey i have a question..... how come my mouse synaptics is not working? |
| 06:02.21 | aaron | i already put it on my xorg.conf but is not working.. |
| 06:02.28 | aaron | it only works on gnome but on fluxbox does not ork |
| 06:02.31 | aaron | *work |
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| 06:21.27 | stonedslacker | Is it possible to set a hotkey, i guess that's what it's called, to run a script? Let's say I want ctrl-alt-p to run stonedslackerscript.sh is that possible? |
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| 06:22.26 | blak | stonedslacker: what window manager are you using? |
| 06:23.10 | stonedslacker | I'm not sure, how can I find out? |
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| 06:24.25 | blak | it's probably gnome, here's a quick google find: http://the-gay-bar.com/index.php?/archives/166-Binding-a-keyboard-shortcut-to-a-random-command-in-GNOME/ |
| 06:24.37 | stonedslacker | I wanna say metacity but I'm not sure I have made so many chnages as of late |
| 06:24.45 | stonedslacker | Oh yeah it's gnome |
| 06:25.04 | stonedslacker | but the manager specifically I dont know |
| 06:27.35 | stonedslacker | Thanks blak. It didnt occur to me that that would be a function of gnome but now that I've thought about it its the only thing that makes sense. |
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| 06:28.29 | blak | no prob, stonedslacker :) have fun exploring |
| 06:28.50 | stonedslacker | will do! |
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| 06:30.01 | stonedslacker | ooo, xbind keys |
| 06:30.14 | stonedslacker | rubs hands together and goes muahahaha |
| 06:30.26 | Kaeles | so far, I think this is a debian specific question, but not 100% sure, anyways, on my debian box, it won' |
| 06:30.45 | Kaeles | t allow me to log in to mysql using --user=user --password=myPassword or any of the variants |
| 06:31.00 | Kaeles | but it does work just doing mysql --user=user -p and entering the value on the tty |
| 06:31.06 | Kaeles | well, I've only tried for root though |
| 06:31.56 | Kaeles | ok |
| 06:32.02 | Kaeles | yea only has issue when doing that as root |
| 06:34.16 | Kaeles | any clue? |
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| 06:34.30 | yagoo | is there a metapackage for mathml? (apparently I get "partial" mathml rendering for the latest w3c specs-- i followed and installed the appropriate packages) |
| 06:34.48 | yagoo | thinks a metapackage should be made for conveinently installing mathml support for iceweasel |
| 06:34.54 | stonedslacker | type /join #mysql |
| 06:35.14 | stonedslacker | theres like 30 million ppl in there |
| 06:35.44 | Kaeles | i asked already, but noone knows why it would happen, and it only seems to occur on debian |
| 06:36.05 | stonedslacker | Google bug reports? |
| 06:36.36 | Kaeles | I've looked but haven't found anything |
| 06:36.40 | yagoo | Kaeles, use a .cnf file.. |
| 06:36.42 | stonedslacker | I wish I could help you, I really do. All I ever do is come get help and I never get the chance to help anybody. |
| 06:36.58 | Kaeles | its cool, don't worry about it |
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| 06:37.02 | Kaeles | Thanks though |
| 06:37.07 | Kaeles | .cnf? |
| 06:37.08 | stonedslacker | worries furiously |
| 06:37.11 | Kaeles | I'm a mysql noob |
| 06:37.27 | StuckMojo | if i download a deb directly, is there any way to use aptitude to install it, so the deps will be solved automatically? |
| 06:37.30 | yagoo | Kaeles, google it.. it can help solve your problem.. |
| 06:37.49 | Kaeles | awesome sauce, thanks |
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| 06:39.15 | yagoo | Kaeles, the problem with providing a password on command line is that other people logged in (ps aux), may be able to see your password |
| 06:39.40 | StuckMojo | hmmm...apparently it's just: use dpkg and let it fail, then aptitude install -f |
| 06:39.45 | Kaeles | thats not a problem, it runs only a single command, but its executed in a script |
| 06:40.08 | StuckMojo | mmph. that doesn't seem to do it |
| 06:40.13 | StuckMojo | it just wants to remove it |
| 06:40.19 | yagoo | Kaeles, maybe this path is on your system-> /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/examples |
| 06:40.30 | blak | Kaeles: I'd suggest going with a scripting language which supports connecting to the mysql server itself, rather than executing the mysql command line admin tool |
| 06:40.34 | StuckMojo | oh wait, yes it can. you just have to answer no once |
| 06:40.40 | blak | ruby/PHP/perl/etc all have mysql connection ability |
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| 06:41.39 | Kaeles | yagoo: nope, only changelog is in there |
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| 06:42.02 | Kaeles | nvm, its mysql-server-5.0 |
| 06:43.18 | Kaeles | well, the thing is, this script is to install gitorious, its not much use if you have to go changing alot of .cnfs for the mysql-server |
| 06:44.25 | yagoo | Kaeles, you can probaly use an my.cnf in ~.. or make a root password in the main one.. use your package manager to find a doc package for mysql |
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| 06:46.44 | Kaeles | the my.cnf in ~ is probably the way to go, I'll try that and see how it work |
| 06:46.46 | Kaeles | s |
| 06:46.48 | Kaeles | thanks |
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| 06:48.37 | stonedslacker | blak: Nice man! xbindkeys works beautifully. |
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| 07:00.10 | stonedslacker | I gotta nuther one. I want xbindkeys to run when ever x is started up. I know I can use some sort of gui to add this but I'd much rather add the line to a config file. The only problem is trying to follow the chain of scripts that start X to pick my target script. Which script would add my line 'xbindkeys'? |
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| 07:00.33 | yagoo | stonedslacker, .xinitrc |
| 07:00.37 | Kaeles | ok i think I got it working, thanks alot yagoo |
| 07:00.49 | stonedslacker | Thanks yagoo |
| 07:00.50 | yagoo | stonedslacker, if not then probably .Xsession or .xsession.. |
| 07:01.09 | yagoo | !xinit |
| 07:01.24 | stonedslacker | Xsession is a user specific file isn't it? I would prefer a global effect. |
| 07:01.35 | yagoo | !xinit.rc |
| 07:01.37 | yagoo | shit |
| 07:01.41 | yagoo | !xinitrc |
| 07:01.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession instead, ask me about <.xinitrc> for the reason. Also ask about <xsession>. |
| 07:01.44 | stonedslacker | lol |
| 07:01.45 | yagoo | there |
| 07:01.50 | rgr | can I customise the info notify method in the same way as man-notify-method? If I bring up info I want it in the same buffer. |
| 07:01.56 | yagoo | :) (got dpkg to query for once) |
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| 07:02.49 | stonedslacker | !yagoo |
| 07:02.56 | stonedslacker | It knows nothing of you lol |
| 07:03.30 | Kaeles | n |
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| 07:05.15 | simonrvn | !.xsession |
| 07:05.15 | dpkg | hmm... xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 07:05.45 | stonedslacker | My ~/.xsession will just now be created. I will assume that I dont need to copy and entire cfg to it, that I can just add my single line and x will still start. Shit is going too good the last few hours, it's about time for me to break the hell outta something. |
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| 07:11.32 | peleg | Hello. My friend cannot login to his imap account on my debian any more for some unknown reason; when I try with my account, everything works properly. When he tries to log, he gets (on evolution) this message: "Plaintext authentication disabled" |
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| 07:14.08 | peleg | on my mail.log I see something weird: any line of my login looks like that: Feb 17 20:49:10 debi dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<peleg@mymail.org>, method=PLAIN, rip=::ffff:84.***.***.***, lip=::ffff:67.***.***.***, TLS -- but any line of his login looks like that: Feb 17 18:10:45 debi dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<asaf@mymail.org>, method=PLAIN, rip=::ffff:127.0.0.1, lip=::ffff:127.0.0.1, TLS (see the ips!) |
| 07:14.10 | stonedslacker | peleg: Enable plainttext authentication |
| 07:14.19 | stonedslacker | lol, couldnt resist |
| 07:14.29 | Arrowmaster | he probably needs to check a box in his client or something to enable TLS |
| 07:14.48 | rgr | .xsession is not run for something like a gnome boot form gdm afaik |
| 07:14.56 | peleg | Arrowmaster, but by his line in the log it looks like he uses TLS; isn't that right? |
| 07:15.43 | Arrowmaster | i got nothing |
| 07:16.34 | peleg | his login looks like that: Feb 17 18:10:45 debi dovecot: imap-login: Login: user \le asaf@mymail.org>, method=PLAIN, rip=::ffff:127.0.0.1, lip=::ffff:127.0.0.1, TLS |
| 07:17.01 | Arrowmaster | he he tunneling into the server using ssh or something? |
| 07:17.15 | peleg | yes. and he should... |
| 07:17.32 | wols_ | if he tunnels, the IP is fine |
| 07:17.34 | Arrowmaster | makes sense why it shows localhost then |
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| 07:18.00 | peleg | I wonder; so how come with my login it is not like that? Maybe I do not understand what "tunneling" means... |
| 07:18.24 | wols_ | !tunnel |
| 07:18.26 | peleg | All I know is that he checks the "use SSL" box in evolution. |
| 07:18.36 | wols_ | SSL doesn't mean he's tunneling |
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| 07:19.01 | peleg | oh, ssh; well, no, I don't think he does it at all, actually. |
| 07:19.04 | wols_ | is he running a ssh client at his end to connect to your system? |
| 07:19.35 | Arrowmaster | or a vpn client |
| 07:19.52 | Arrowmaster | although with vpn it probably wouldnt show localhost in the logs |
| 07:19.54 | wols_ | or is he using a proxy of any kind? |
| 07:19.56 | peleg | wols_, maybe sometimes he logs to my system using ssh; he has an account. But with evolution he reads emails from his computer, without ssh. |
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| 07:20.20 | wols_ | peleg: what is in his evolution settings for your mail server? |
| 07:21.20 | peleg | servertype: imap, server: myserver.org username: asaf@mymail.org security: SSL encryption Authenticatin type: password (that's for receiving) |
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| 07:46.44 | nike | I have a six drive RAID-5 array (mdadm) that is comprised of /dev/sd[abcdef]1 which is the first partition of those six disks. I accidentally started /dev/md0 as /dev/sd[abcdef] though, the root block device file and not the partitions like I should have. Will mdadm start erasing/messing up my data on the REAL array on sd[abcdef]1 if I left this bad array open for a bit? |
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| 07:48.12 | stonedslacker | dammit, what is it with the the 'your question is too simple to answer' routine. I freakin hate that crap. |
| 07:48.37 | stonedslacker | those guys in bash cant be bothered |
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| 07:53.49 | simonrvn | stonedslacker: sounds a bit like a RTFM variant. lemme see if they're right or not :P. what's up? |
| 07:54.07 | Hannibal | is away: I'm busy |
| 07:54.19 | simonrvn | !tell Hannibal -about away |
| 07:55.11 | stonedslacker | I want to modify the launcher code that launches a root terminal. I want it to run a script that initiates a ssh connection and stay open. |
| 07:55.27 | stonedslacker | Nothing I've tried has worked |
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| 07:56.18 | stonedslacker | Right now the command that launches the root term is 'gksu -D Terminal -- env -u ORBIT_SOCKETDIR /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator' |
| 07:56.31 | simonrvn | ah ok. so maybe an exec or something, with a wrapper script perhaps? |
| 07:57.14 | Penix | stonedslacker: so...you want to be able to launch a terminal that automatically runs the script/program?... |
| 07:57.21 | stonedslacker | I was thinking just adding '&scriptname' but it just runs the script then closes the terminal |
| 07:57.35 | stonedslacker | Yes, Penix |
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| 07:58.01 | Penix | stonedslacker: and using your terminal emulator's built in method isn't working?... |
| 07:58.12 | simonrvn | oh, most terms have an exec flag. |
| 07:58.16 | Penix | eg. Eterm -e 'blah' |
| 07:58.22 | simonrvn | like xterm has -e |
| 07:58.39 | simonrvn | ..so does Eterm heh |
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| 07:58.57 | Penix | stonedslacker: have you tried what we're talking about? is the script not working properly with it? |
| 07:59.06 | stonedslacker | no. Right now if I go to properties for the launcher the command is what I put above. When I make it into this 'gksu -D Terminal -- env -u ORBIT_SOCKETDIR /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator&ssh -I eth1 192.168.100.1' it just comes up then closes |
| 07:59.35 | Penix | I use this for logging in to one of my servers: Eterm --buttonbar=0 --scrollbar=0 -t "SSH session - gore" -P foo -e ssh -6 gore |
| 08:00.17 | Penix | authentication dialog pops up automaticlly in gnome, or just a plain passphrase prompt otherwise |
| 08:00.35 | stonedslacker | The script works fine, I have been using it for a while. But i was trying to modify it so I would not have to manually open the ternimal first. At first I wanted to use xbindkeys then I thought it would be easier to modify the launcher I already have on my desktop. |
| 08:00.39 | Penix | s/in gnome/with appropriate magic/ |
| 08:01.10 | stonedslacker | Actually I'm not even using the script at this point but trying to get it to initiate a ssh session |
| 08:01.30 | Penix | stonedslacker: what I described above works perfectly for me, and afaict is what you're trying to do |
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| 08:02.06 | stonedslacker | That is exactly what I'm trying to do. Lemme play around with that for a minute, thanks I really do appreciate it |
| 08:02.06 | simonrvn | does to me |
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| 08:06.21 | stonedslacker | No, its not working for me and thats because I have no idea what I' |
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| 08:06.34 | stonedslacker | what I'm writing. |
| 08:06.44 | stonedslacker | So I cant really troubleshoot it |
| 08:07.06 | Penix | stonedslacker: what do you mean? what happens when you try this? xterm -e ssh -I eth1 192.168.100.1 |
| 08:07.32 | Lumee | hi, how can i check if my ethernet network is running at 10, 100 or 1000 Mbps? |
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| 08:07.52 | wols_ | Lumee: dmesg will tell when the cable is plugged in |
| 08:07.54 | stonedslacker | that works |
| 08:08.01 | wols_ | Lumee: or ethtool will tell |
| 08:08.02 | Penix | !winner |
| 08:08.05 | Penix | aww |
| 08:08.12 | stonedslacker | Now, what do those flags mean? T |
| 08:08.33 | Penix | stonedslacker: which flags? -e just tells the terminal to execute whatever follows |
| 08:08.51 | yagoo | Lumee, mii-tool |
| 08:09.00 | stonedslacker | Thats what I needed the whole time. I knew it had to be something tiny |
| 08:09.07 | stonedslacker | Thank you! |
| 08:09.08 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 08:09.55 | simonrvn | Penix: !win foo |
| 08:10.06 | Lumee | thanks yagoo mii-tools is nice |
| 08:10.28 | Penix | ah. bit rusty |
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| 08:12.17 | yagoo | Lumee, if you suspect the physical cable is crappy, you can try forcing 10mbps half-duplex as a last resort.. |
| 08:12.45 | yagoo | Lumee, you can alwaays set it back (or buy cat6 to guarantee a datalink connection ;-) |
| 08:13.03 | yagoo | if the datalink layer negotation fails.. |
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| 08:16.43 | Lumee | yagoo: do you know how can i force 10mbps? ifconfig? |
| 08:16.58 | stonedslacker | That's freakin hilarious. This is what I had |
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| 08:17.04 | Penix | Lumee: man ifconfig. 'media' |
| 08:17.14 | stonedslacker | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:17.14 | stonedslacker | xterm |
| 08:17.14 | stonedslacker | ssh -I eth1 192,168,100.1 |
| 08:17.21 | yagoo | Lumee, yeah.. it can also be specified in interfaces |
| 08:17.29 | Lumee | Penix: zenks |
| 08:17.39 | stonedslacker | this is what worked |
| 08:17.41 | stonedslacker | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:17.41 | stonedslacker | xterm -e ssh -I eth1 192,168,100.1 |
| 08:18.29 | iceroot | stonedslacker: with "," instead of "."? |
| 08:18.53 | stonedslacker | I'm not sure how many hours it wold have taken me to google just the right phrase to discover that one letter was keeping it from working. |
| 08:18.55 | yagoo | Lumee, why? |
| 08:19.01 | stonedslacker | Yes |
| 08:19.06 | yagoo | Lumee, do you get any leds on? |
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| 08:19.48 | yagoo | stonedslacker, putty is avail on linux |
| 08:20.05 | stonedslacker | I just typed that in text editor so I could paste it here with the line breaks |
| 08:20.56 | yagoo | stonedslacker, no need to monkey when putty's there to save the day |
| 08:21.00 | stonedslacker | I know I could have solved this 'problem' several ways but I'm trying to do as much as possible on the command line. I helps when shit breaks if I have a clue as to how it is put together. |
| 08:21.00 | yagoo | lol |
| 08:21.18 | yagoo | takes alot of putty and pins stonedslacker to a cement wall |
| 08:21.25 | yagoo | :) |
| 08:21.50 | stonedslacker | cries because his balls itch and his hands are puttied down |
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| 08:22.49 | yagoo | demolishes full of bricks made of stonedslacker |
| 08:23.01 | yagoo | SLUSH!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:23.17 | HandyGandy | What is the simplest way to get a list of required packages in a machine readable format? |
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| 08:23.22 | stonedslacker | bleeds furiously |
| 08:23.39 | rgr | machine readable format? Whats that? |
| 08:23.43 | Penix | HandyGandy: required? like, essential base packages?.. |
| 08:23.45 | sep | HandyGandy, what defines what's requiered ? |
| 08:24.02 | HandyGandy | I mean required to install a package. |
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| 08:24.21 | SPF | I get configure: error: "function ctime_r not found.". I installed all dependancies, what could be the problem? http://pastebin.com/m768a47c1 |
| 08:24.29 | simonrvn | dpkg-query can format for you |
| 08:24.34 | HandyGandy | So I want to know all the packages required to install package A. |
| 08:24.44 | Arrowmaster | !apt clone |
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| 08:24.59 | Penix | HandyGandy: called a 'dependency' for future reference |
| 08:25.11 | wols_ | HandyGandy: apt-cache depends |
| 08:25.26 | sep | HandyGandy, you can just run aptitude -s install package (s simulates what would happen. and you make it machine readable with sed/awk :) |
| 08:26.12 | sep | depends will tall you all it depends on, but not if some of those dependencies are allready installed ? |
| 08:26.15 | Penix | SPF: if you'd googled it, you'd know by now |
| 08:26.22 | wols_ | SPF: ctime_r is C99 compliant and defined in time.h. I doubt it's missing |
| 08:26.28 | stonedslacker | I did some damage today. I learned how to properly use fstab to mount shit the way I need it to be. I learned about xbindkeys and now have three nifty little key combos that mount and unmount my phone and one that opens a terminal thats ready to ssh! Now to just set up the rsa key shit with the ssh connect and I'll be styling! |
| 08:26.36 | Penix | SPF: got libstdc++-devel etc.? |
| 08:26.45 | yagoo | invents the new rtfm called rtfg --> read the <> google |
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| 08:26.55 | simonrvn | stonedslacker: sounds nice. i like automation too |
| 08:27.12 | Penix | yeah, because that's the first time anyone's told someone to google it... |
| 08:27.21 | wols_ | Penix: no need for it. it's C99/POSIX |
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| 08:27.37 | sylar | is there something like IPTraf with bandwidth graphs per port? |
| 08:27.44 | stonedslacker | It beats the crap outta typing the same thing a hundred times in a day which what I've been doing it seems like |
| 08:27.51 | SPF | Penix: libstdc++-dev is installed wols_: time.h is present |
| 08:28.12 | MoookiE_ | Hello, can someone tell me how to change file permissions recursiv. But without change directory permissions. |
| 08:28.46 | yagoo | MoookiE_, rtfg on chmod and "find -type f "commands |
| 08:28.54 | stonedslacker | lol |
| 08:29.10 | yagoo | likes now to use rtfg in a positive manner :) |
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| 08:29.39 | wols_ | SPF: something is seriously wrong with that configure or your libc6-dev install |
| 08:29.49 | stonedslacker | aww shit.... |
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| 08:30.16 | MoookiE_ | yagoo: find, this is so easy :) sorry in the morning by brain is very slow |
| 08:30.20 | yagoo | stonedslacker, rtfg on debian's refcard. It will help... |
| 08:30.21 | MoookiE_ | thanks |
| 08:30.22 | stonedslacker | after I type the password the xterm evaporates. I guess I'll try hold in stead of read as my last line |
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| 08:31.26 | stonedslacker | woohoo, it be workin |
| 08:31.28 | yagoo | stonedslacker, if you're stuck on an educated command more than speculative than come back.. |
| 08:31.49 | yagoo | stonedslacker, but .xsession was tricky, that's why i mentioned it to ya :) |
| 08:32.06 | stonedslacker | I have tangled with xsession beofre |
| 08:32.12 | stonedslacker | it hates me |
| 08:32.32 | yagoo | stonedslacker, no it doesn't. you just hate yourself :P |
| 08:32.39 | stonedslacker | that too |
| 08:33.47 | stonedslacker | exit |
| 08:33.57 | stonedslacker | whoops, wrong winder |
| 08:34.41 | simonrvn | nah, not much to it. as long as the last one is the session manager, or the wm, without a & it works |
| 08:35.07 | simonrvn | (barring bugs) |
| 08:35.16 | simonrvn | treat it like a script (which it is) |
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| 08:37.24 | HandyGandy | wols_: There are a couple of things in the output of apt-cache that I do not understand. What does a | mean before "Depends:" and what do <> around a package mean? |
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| 08:38.11 | stonedslacker | For some reaason I have never had luck with that, simonrvn. I had compiz running on slackware a few weeks back but had to create a custom start up line for it to work right and I tried every freaking x realated script I could find and it never would execute the line. I ended uphaving to open a terminal and put it in everytime. |
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| 08:38.46 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 08:39.06 | stonedslacker | yeah |
| 08:39.14 | stonedslacker | it drove me nuts |
| 08:39.14 | simonrvn | that reminds me of something |
| 08:39.33 | simonrvn | like a bug |
| 08:39.42 | stonedslacker | a ladybug? |
| 08:42.10 | simonrvn | a bug in compiz or x from last year iirc |
| 08:42.54 | TiMiDo | hey i got a question |
| 08:43.04 | TiMiDo | ho come my taping for my mouse does not ork in fluxbox? |
| 08:43.21 | TiMiDo | to get it working i have to open up a program call gsynaptics |
| 08:43.30 | TiMiDo | and it's getting annoying everytime i reboot i have to open it up |
| 08:43.34 | TiMiDo | how can i fixed this? |
| 08:44.06 | stonedslacker | simonrvn: what kind of bug? |
| 08:44.17 | SPF | wols_: I got a newer version from svn which works, sorry for the trouble |
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| 08:44.57 | TiMiDo | any help? |
| 08:44.58 | yagoo | TiMiDo, ork the bork? |
| 08:45.02 | TiMiDo | work |
| 08:45.09 | yagoo | TiMiDo, I have to work? |
| 08:45.15 | yagoo | waaaa |
| 08:45.27 | simonrvn | stonedslacker: i don't remember much of it, sorry |
| 08:45.35 | TiMiDo | it does not work |
| 08:45.39 | yagoo | notices TiMiDo trying to throw a collection of mice at him |
| 08:45.51 | yagoo | ducks |
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| 08:46.30 | yagoo | TiMiDo, look into scim stuff |
| 08:46.42 | yagoo | TiMiDo, if using the mouse, id' probably disable the touchpad |
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| 08:47.06 | TiMiDo | yagoo, so how can i enable my touchpad? |
| 08:47.08 | stonedslacker | The only issue I have ever had with compiz was the window decorator taking a dump. I had that with ubunu like a year or more ago and just recently with slackware |
| 08:47.18 | yagoo | TiMiDo, the scim |
| 08:47.22 | TiMiDo | scim? |
| 08:47.27 | yagoo | TiMiDo, it's probably already instaleld.. |
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| 08:47.42 | TiMiDo | what's scim? |
| 08:48.20 | TiMiDo | brb |
| 08:48.23 | yagoo | TiMiDo, i dunno, my laptop isnt on |
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| 08:49.07 | aaron | okey I'm back |
| 08:49.09 | aaron | I Just disable the X |
| 08:49.26 | TiMiDo | and now the mouse touchpad is disable |
| 08:49.28 | TiMiDo | damn |
| 08:49.48 | TiMiDo | how can i fix this? |
| 08:49.55 | stonedslacker | anyway, gnight guys and thanks a lot for all the help! |
| 08:50.00 | TiMiDo | so my... touchpad enable on start up |
| 08:50.04 | yagoo | TiMiDo, rtfg.. there should be a graphical toggle for the touchpad |
| 08:50.17 | TiMiDo | yagoo, there is..... |
| 08:50.18 | yagoo | TiMiDo, there's also a command to re-enable it.. |
| 08:50.30 | TiMiDo | but i'm tired of enable it everytime i restart x |
| 08:50.39 | yagoo | TiMiDo, you dont need to restart x |
| 08:50.50 | yagoo | TiMiDo, dont use the xorg conf to toggle it |
| 08:50.55 | TiMiDo | ok |
| 08:50.55 | yagoo | geez |
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| 08:52.48 | dark | aptitude-gtk is very nice =) it is expected to supersede synaptic? |
| 08:53.23 | sylar | what does it mean that in pstree a line ends with something like blablab+ |
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| 08:53.34 | yagoo | TiMiDo, last time i tried (it was on another linux os), but should be possible on debian as well.. you shouldnt have to restart it.. just have to research about toggling it with something.. but i remember it was a graphical app |
| 08:53.44 | sylar | Does it means it shoudl continue the + somewher? |
| 08:55.55 | yagoo | sylar, it means end of the world |
| 08:56.00 | iceroot | iceweasel is build from source? so amd64 systems will get amd64? |
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| 08:58.06 | yagoo | smacks iceroot on top of his head with the help of firefox and calls him knockedweasel |
| 08:58.30 | yagoo | yagoo, that will teach you your source roots boy! |
| 08:58.54 | yagoo | doubles himself in a team tag against iceroot |
| 08:59.27 | yagoo | my macro killed something.. yada |
| 08:59.28 | yagoo | haha |
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| 08:59.41 | yagoo | gnite people |
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| 09:01.39 | sylar | found it -l |
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| 09:02.19 | giwe | my testing box laptop takes a long time to boot since the past few weeks. How can I troubleshoot this? Reverse name lookup problem? |
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| 09:06.51 | wols_ | giwe: find out first at which point it starts to lag/go slow |
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| 09:08.12 | TiMiDo | ok I'm back still no luck with the touchpad |
| 09:08.24 | TiMiDo | how can i enable it ? |
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| 09:09.37 | wols_ | drive by ircing is evil |
| 09:10.25 | ajcc | wols_: seems quite ineffective too |
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| 09:11.38 | kurtz | hey, can someone tell me how to make a new tcp port active after chnaging it in /etc/services |
| 09:11.54 | wols_ | restat inetd |
| 09:12.07 | blarg | is there an easy way to install debian from a usb? i just need a minimal system without a gui, and I will apt-get the rest |
| 09:12.13 | kurtz | nice thanks wols_ :) |
| 09:12.27 | wols_ | !tell blarg about usb install |
| 09:13.47 | giwe | wols_: dBus is slow. |
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| 09:14.00 | giwe | wols_: next chipcard. |
| 09:14.20 | giwe | wols_: network services in general |
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| 09:15.10 | wols_ | "chipcard" (whatever it is, is network related? |
| 09:15.30 | Lumee | blarg: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 09:15.59 | kurtz | hmmm, why would inetd not be in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 09:16.38 | giwe | giwe: looks like to be something to access smartcards. |
| 09:17.25 | giwe | wols_: libchipcard-tools |
| 09:17.57 | rgr | kurtz: because its one single config file. |
| 09:18.01 | wols_ | giwe: do you use smartcards? what debian version is this and why has it installed such stuff? |
| 09:18.11 | rgr | kurtz: sorry, misread |
| 09:18.31 | wols_ | kurtz: /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd by default. could be xinetd too, etc. grep inetd /etc/init.d/* |
| 09:18.44 | blarg | Lumee: very cool, thanks |
| 09:18.56 | kurtz | ahhh, thakns again :) |
| 09:18.58 | giwe | wols_: No, I don't use smartcards. |
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| 09:23.05 | giwe | wols_: but the first service that is slow is dBus. Is it supposed to be? |
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| 09:23.20 | giwe | wols_: I removed anything related to chipcard now. |
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| 09:25.29 | wols_ | Gilde: it shouldn't be |
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| 09:31.16 | imganquan | hi all. I installed a Squeeze and upgrade it to sid just a few minutes ago, I found a new software named "Ubuntu software center" in the "System->Adminitration", what's that? |
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| 09:32.33 | iceroot | imganquan: in debian is ubuntu software center? |
| 09:32.41 | iceroot | imganquan: with that name? |
| 09:33.10 | imganquan | iceroot: Yes |
| 09:33.52 | imganquan | iceroot: "Ubuntu Software Center" |
| 09:34.36 | the-dude | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564276 |
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| 09:36.17 | imganquan | the-dude: thank you. |
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| 09:49.28 | ^shark_ | mod_perl requires 2GB of RAM, I have just 221MB of free memory and 2574 of Swap memory. Is swap also RAM memory |
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| 09:50.03 | petemc | yes, very, very slow ram |
| 09:50.29 | Stereo | ^shark_: when the OS runs out of RAM, it uses the disk as ram |
| 09:50.38 | ravenbird | Stereo: Bugger all, I dunno. |
| 09:51.04 | Stereo | linux users usually keep a special partition on their hard disk for that, the swap partition |
| 09:51.16 | debianite | each time i install a new kernel image grub take an enormous amount of time runing update-grub, is this normal? |
| 09:51.16 | pickcoder | ^shark_: 2GB eh? how'd you determine that |
| 09:51.18 | ravenbird | pickcoder: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:51.23 | Stereo | ^shark_: I notice that the word shark actually looks like a shark |
| 09:51.24 | ravenbird | Stereo: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:51.37 | ^shark_ | thanks all |
| 09:51.47 | debianite | I have grub2 installed |
| 09:52.02 | Stereo | debianite: you could strace it to see what it's doing |
| 09:52.12 | Stereo | do you maybe have tons of old kernels in /boot ? |
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| 09:52.42 | wols_ | ^shark_: modperl needs 2GB? that's a bit unlikely |
| 09:52.45 | ravenbird | wols_: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:53.05 | simonrvn | haha |
| 09:53.11 | wols_ | and with a normal kernel on 32bit, a single process has a 2GB hard limit. |
| 09:53.39 | ^shark_ | pickcoder: go t this info from the bugzilla guide, saying 2GB total system RAM is recommended for running Bugzilla under mod_perl. |
| 09:54.05 | pickcoder | that doesn't mean mod_perl requires 2GB |
| 09:54.13 | simonrvn | please change your nick to something with less ^ in it. thanks. though it is amusing. |
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| 09:55.36 | ^shark_ | pickcoder: exactly, i knew if i'd ask how much RAM is needed for bugzilla to run under mod_perl i would probably not get a reply, this is the only channel i find great knowledge as a debian admin. |
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| 09:56.17 | ^shark_ | simonrvn: i prefer my nickname amusing |
| 09:56.33 | debianite | Stereo: ok, I'l try that |
| 09:56.35 | zophy | can i get nautilus to show two side by side panes ? |
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| 09:56.48 | simonrvn | ^shark_: i understand |
| 09:56.50 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:56.57 | simonrvn | ravenbird: hush you |
| 09:56.58 | ravenbird | simonrvn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 09:59.23 | jelly | %test |
| 09:59.27 | ravenbird | jelly: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:59.33 | jelly | ^test |
| 09:59.37 | ravenbird | jelly: EPARSE: dunno WTH you're talking about |
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| 10:00.23 | RichiH | simonrvn: is it a good idea to have ravenbird sitting on some many sigils? |
| 10:01.02 | simonrvn | RichiH: um, i thought it sat on just two. this is news to me (as i only set 2 in total) |
| 10:01.14 | simonrvn | wanders off to fix it |
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| 10:04.22 | simonrvn | RichiH: should be ok now, dude |
| 10:04.30 | simonrvn | %test |
| 10:04.31 | ravenbird | simonrvn: Bugger all, I dunno. |
| 10:04.35 | simonrvn | ^test |
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| 10:05.06 | Evet | what was that? the ubuntu has. something like "new version syndrome" |
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| 10:05.25 | simonrvn | make* |
| 10:05.31 | simonrvn | ravenbird: part |
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| 10:21.08 | mbruins | hi, could anyone tell from experience what is more active gnunet or gtknutella? |
| 10:21.11 | R1ck | hi. when I do a dig -t axfr, I get two SOA records back, when ofcourse only 1 exists. How do I make dig stop printing it? |
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| 10:22.32 | tellurian | please pastebin output so I can see what you're talking about exactly ? |
| 10:23.12 | TiMiDo | mbruins, just download limeire |
| 10:23.17 | TiMiDo | *limewire |
| 10:23.26 | TiMiDo | gtknutella sucks ass |
| 10:25.23 | tellurian | R1ck: sorry, forgot to address you directly in earlier request. If you can, please pastebin output so I can compare your dig results with my own. thanks. |
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| 10:26.32 | gothenburg | Hi |
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| 10:27.21 | gothenburg | I've installed Debian in virtualbox and are trying to update to testing. When i run dist-upgrade... after 10 min with questions and stuff.. ERROR! http://pastebin.com/m6d507f65 |
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| 10:28.18 | wols_ | gothenburg: have you read the stuff you pasted? |
| 10:28.18 | R1ck | tellurian: ah :) http://pastebin.com/m3af49b9b here it is |
| 10:28.30 | gothenburg | wols_: yes |
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| 10:28.48 | gothenburg | trying to google then |
| 10:28.49 | gothenburg | -.- |
| 10:29.13 | R1ck | tellurian: however you wont be able to do axfr.. it is (or well, should be) limited to our IP |
| 10:29.19 | mbruins | TiMiDo: limewire on debian? i need to google about that.. |
| 10:29.40 | R1ck | tellurian: and if I do just a dig -t soa I get a nice single record |
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| 10:29.46 | gothenburg | used apt-get -f install now. |
| 10:29.52 | gothenburg | hope that works |
| 10:29.59 | gothenburg | nje |
| 10:30.02 | wols_ | gothenburg: the stuff you pasted clearly explains what to do |
| 10:30.23 | gothenburg | aha? |
| 10:30.26 | gothenburg | not for me.. |
| 10:30.43 | gothenburg | upgrade my kernel? |
| 10:30.48 | mbruins | is limewire anonymous? |
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| 10:30.52 | wols_ | it even says "please" |
| 10:31.08 | gothenburg | But when I restart there isn't any new kernel |
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| 10:31.11 | wols_ | mbruins: there are no anonymous p2p programs which are anonymous |
| 10:31.12 | tellurian | R1ck: I see what you mean. |
| 10:31.17 | wols_ | -anonymous |
| 10:31.31 | wols_ | mbruins: and no, it doesn't matter which one of the many choices you take |
| 10:31.44 | gothenburg | oh there is today. Yesterday it wasn't.. |
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| 10:31.52 | mbruins | wols_: tobad, they all connect to the same "servers"? |
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| 10:32.02 | wols_ | gothenburg: there was a new kernel available to circumvent this problem you saw there for months |
| 10:32.11 | wols_ | mbruins: no |
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| 10:32.20 | mbruins | wols_: ok thanks |
| 10:32.29 | wols_ | p2p has by definition no "servers": at least it shouldn't have. "peer", remember? |
| 10:33.13 | wols_ | mbruins: simply put, with any p2p application you use, you can commit copyright infringement and get sued for doing so |
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| 10:33.30 | databeestje_d630 | I need more power! |
| 10:34.13 | gothenburg | Still it wasn't any kernel yesterday when I rebooted. Today it was one. |
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| 10:37.44 | tellurian | R1ck: no idea. looking through the man page and tossing a variety of options at it makes no difference for me :| Perhaps it has to do with what an AXFR request is intended for ? I dunno ... sorry. |
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| 10:41.34 | R1ck | tellurian: no problem.. i'll make it the client's problem :P |
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| 10:49.48 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all |
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| 10:57.20 | gothenburg | Installed xfc4 now. Why are all icons in the menu X? |
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| 10:59.34 | martianixor | hi, Is there a tool that would kill an application as soon as It's CPU usage exceeds a certain percentage? |
| 10:59.57 | martianixor | auto-kill the app actually |
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| 11:03.25 | martianixor | Oh I think there's at least one, I can't find it nor its name yet |
| 11:04.45 | gothenburg | no one knows why I can't get any icons in the menu?? XFCE4? |
| 11:05.30 | R1ck | martianixor: maybe daemontools can help? http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 11:05.34 | martianixor | otherwise I'd write my own, making sure there's not one |
| 11:05.58 | martianixor | already |
| 11:06.04 | martianixor | R1ck: I'll look into that |
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| 11:07.30 | martianixor | R1ck: although it's not necessarily a running daemon |
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| 11:09.08 | R1ck | martianixor: ah.. well.. i said maybe ;) |
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| 11:09.34 | martianixor | R1ck: thanks anyway I like it ;-) |
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| 11:11.27 | R1ck | martianixor: shouldnt be too difficult to write one though :) |
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| 11:21.33 | martianixor | R1ck: you know and AKA Auto Nice Daemon? |
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| 11:22.54 | R1ck | hmmnope |
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| 11:26.48 | naturelle | Hey, I'm bridging two interfaces eth0 and eth1 using brctl to a virtual bridge interface br0. For some reason, br0 has the same hardware address as eth1. eth0 has a different one. Can that be right? |
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| 11:27.34 | naturelle | The problem is that there are weird repetitive arp requests on all interfaces and layer 3 connectivity is entirely gone. I'm thinking this might be the problem.. |
| 11:28.39 | sneep | Hmm, I tried to resume from hibernation yesterday, and it didn't finish, even after five minutes |
| 11:29.03 | sneep | So I restarted my computer, and all I got was a message like "No operating system found"... For some reason, it ate my partition table (I've got it back now though) |
| 11:29.24 | sneep | Running up-to-date Debian Testing |
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| 11:30.03 | sneep | So kernel 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
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| 11:34.49 | darsie | Hi! Will a debian running on a Celeron Coppermine run on an Athlon 64? |
| 11:35.00 | martianixor | R1ck: cpulimit |
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| 11:35.58 | sneep | darsie: Yes |
| 11:36.08 | darsie | thx |
| 11:36.33 | sneep | Coppermines were like pre-GHz, right? |
| 11:36.46 | darsie | yes. It's 900 MHz. |
| 11:37.29 | sneep | I think they didn't have anything beyond MMX(1/2) and SSE(1) back then |
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| 11:37.39 | darsie | dunno |
| 11:37.53 | tellurian | martianixor: consider monit ? |
| 11:38.56 | darsie | But there is an incompatibility between 32 and 64 bit CPU's, right? |
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| 11:40.20 | sneep | Athlon 64's support 16-bit and 32-bit mode just as well |
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| 11:44.22 | nachos | hello, where can i get the upstream tarball for freeradius? |
| 11:44.27 | nachos | the latest one |
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| 11:45.23 | sneep | freeradius.org |
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| 11:45.57 | sneep | (Maybe I misinterpreted your question?) |
| 11:46.06 | nachos | you did |
| 11:46.21 | nachos | apparently there is some kind of tarball out there for debian that is the latest source of freerad |
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| 11:47.43 | sneep | http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/freeradius <-- You mean like those tarballs you get here? |
| 11:47.48 | project2501a | hi debian |
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| 11:48.07 | nachos | i think thats it |
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| 11:48.25 | nachos | thanks sneep |
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| 11:48.47 | sneep | You may want to check if unstable's got a newer tarball |
| 11:48.47 | project2501a | question: i'm cleaning up the source from jack the ripper, aka john these days. where do i submit my patches at? the debian maintainer? the original developer? how does the debian source diff from the original? |
| 11:49.06 | sneep | It doesn't |
| 11:49.22 | project2501a | sneep: then what is that .diff file i keep seeing? |
| 11:49.23 | project2501a | fark. something tells me i better go read that damn maintainer/new developer guide. |
| 11:49.30 | sneep | Sorry, that wasn't directed at you |
| 11:49.36 | project2501a | my bad :) |
| 11:49.44 | Stereo | project2501a: upstream is always better |
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| 11:50.09 | project2501a | puts more people on his kg torrents to make Stereo happy :D |
| 11:50.16 | project2501a | (kidding) |
| 11:50.30 | Stereo | who's kg? |
| 11:50.37 | project2501a | kg == karagarga |
| 11:50.45 | Stereo | oh :) |
| 11:51.00 | project2501a | funny enough, kg has not been sued yet |
| 11:51.02 | gothenburg | hahaha |
| 11:51.03 | project2501a | or entrapped yet |
| 11:51.14 | project2501a | that goes to show what this whole mpaa is about |
| 11:51.14 | project2501a | money. |
| 11:51.19 | gothenburg | apt-get clean <3 Deleted 30% of shit at my hdd. |
| 11:51.34 | project2501a | gothenburg: try rm -rf / |
| 11:51.46 | gothenburg | nah |
| 11:51.47 | project2501a | that will clean um 85% of yoru hdd |
| 11:51.55 | gothenburg | how to install kde as desktop?? |
| 11:52.03 | gothenburg | apt-get install kde doesn't work |
| 11:52.04 | project2501a | apt-get install kde |
| 11:52.08 | project2501a | it should |
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| 11:52.16 | \0B5E55ED | gothenburg: APT-CACHE SEARCH KDE |
| 11:52.19 | \0B5E55ED | caps* |
| 11:52.19 | project2501a | there's a kde package that installs everything you need. |
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| 11:52.42 | \0B5E55ED | gothenburg: if it doesn't work, you should probably tell us what the error output is |
| 11:52.44 | sep | gothenburg, you still have to pick kde for your session when you login tho. |
| 11:52.44 | gothenburg | kde and kde-desktop is not working |
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| 11:53.00 | gothenburg | sep: yes? |
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| 11:53.48 | nachos | whats the way to install a compiled upstream source as a debian package? |
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| 11:54.23 | gothenburg | kdebase :o |
| 11:54.29 | gothenburg | The package was kdebase :o |
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| 11:55.03 | Deathvalley122 | anyone know about csf? |
| 11:55.24 | gothenburg | nope |
| 11:55.27 | gothenburg | noone |
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| 11:56.29 | sneep | can sranfisco? |
| 11:57.07 | wols_ | nachos: you build a deb from the source |
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| 12:00.35 | nachos | wols_: make deb in the source root? |
| 12:01.08 | wols_ | nachos: upstream source doesn't become a deb magically with "make deb" |
| 12:01.21 | wols_ | make deb is not a command any source generally recognizes |
| 12:01.38 | nachos | oh |
| 12:01.42 | wols_ | nachos: what upatream software (incl version) are you compiling? |
| 12:01.44 | nachos | whats the right way to go about it then |
| 12:01.50 | nachos | freeradius 2.1.8 |
| 12:01.57 | wols_ | ,versions freeradius |
| 12:01.58 | judd | freeradius -- etch: 1.1.3-3; etch-backports: 2.0.4+dfsg-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.0.4+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.1.8+dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.1.8+dfsg-1; squeeze: 2.1.8+dfsg-1 |
| 12:02.11 | nachos | backports hey |
| 12:02.14 | nachos | that sounds interesting |
| 12:02.15 | wols_ | there is an existing backport already. so why are you compiling anything? |
| 12:02.20 | nachos | oh i didnt know |
| 12:02.32 | nachos | im not to farmilular with debians package management system |
| 12:02.36 | nachos | how do i install a backport? |
| 12:02.47 | wols_ | next time: check. and if it's only available in sid, you do a sid backport on your own. compiling from ustream is the utter last resort and hardest to do |
| 12:02.53 | wols_ | !tell nachos about backports |
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| 12:03.50 | Dan_E | I am running Mandriva 2010 and dl'ing Debian 5.0.4 to install any advice and how do they compare? |
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| 12:05.18 | gothenburg | I cant get the mouse working in KDE |
| 12:05.22 | gothenburg | what's the problem? |
| 12:05.25 | nachos | thanks |
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| 12:05.36 | wols_ | Dan_E: ##linux |
| 12:05.38 | Scorpion | hi |
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| 12:06.02 | gothenburg | worked in xfce4 |
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| 12:07.02 | Dan_E | cant join something about registering my nick or nickserv |
| 12:07.12 | gothenburg | do that then? |
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| 12:07.52 | wols_ | Dan_E: then register it |
| 12:07.59 | Dan_E | how please |
| 12:08.12 | wols_ | gothenburg: kde and xfce use the same mouse drivers. neither does control the mouse, Xorg does |
| 12:08.21 | wols_ | Dan_E: /msg nickserv help register |
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| 12:09.03 | gothenburg | wols_: interesting I moved the mouse now and now when I've restarted it works |
| 12:09.21 | gothenburg | and now it is stuck -.- |
| 12:09.42 | gothenburg | When I go out of the guest OS |
| 12:09.58 | gothenburg | everything freezes :o |
| 12:10.09 | wols_ | have you installed guest additions inside? |
| 12:10.21 | wols_ | and are they actually working and running? |
| 12:10.30 | gothenburg | yes when I used xfce4 |
| 12:10.49 | gothenburg | before I only had 800x600 now I have more options |
| 12:11.18 | wols_ | lsmod |greb vbox |
| 12:13.07 | Dan_E | thanks for the help |
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| 12:18.39 | Albi | hello world |
| 12:18.46 | Albi | kind of a related debian question |
| 12:18.56 | Albi | is there a net install version of ubuntu? |
| 12:19.14 | Albi | like that of debian |
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| 12:19.17 | wols_ | #ubuntu |
| 12:20.02 | Albi | i'm on there ;) it's a bit messy in there, thanks anyway ;) |
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| 12:22.14 | gothenburg | Why Can't I get all the ICONS? |
| 12:22.32 | gothenburg | got ? instead of some icons at both KDE and XFCE4 |
| 12:23.11 | Albi | maybe you dont have athe icon packages |
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| 12:26.04 | gothenburg | athe? |
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| 12:42.19 | f00li5h[HireMe] | whcih package do I reconfigure to change the keyboard layout! |
| 12:42.27 | f00li5h[HireMe] | I want british english, but an american keyboard |
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| 12:45.28 | amerigus2104 | Hi man's! |
| 12:45.46 | amerigus2104 | I sorry for my English((( |
| 12:45.47 | darsie | Hi women! |
| 12:46.08 | amerigus2104 | =) |
| 12:46.41 | amerigus2104 | Could I ask you sam questions about apt-move. Who knows how create local repository with it? |
| 12:46.46 | amerigus2104 | *some |
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| 12:49.36 | amerigus2104 | I have 2 DVD-ROM's with Debian. I create 2 iso-images and mount it to /mnt/debian504-1 and /mnt/debian504-2. Can I create local repository with it folders use apt-move? |
| 12:50.13 | amerigus2104 | Who can help me?))) |
| 12:51.30 | Argafal | i'm wondering - is there a known bug in initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686 regarding video? I have a intel chipset i945 and with this version from debian the monitors, incl external ones, go blank after grub. previous initrd.img-2.6.32-rc8-686 works fine. |
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| 12:54.01 | wols_ | could be a KMS snafu |
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| 12:54.34 | darsie | wols_: I solved my grub problem by downgrading. |
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| 12:55.05 | gothenburg | what's the easiest way to config time? |
| 12:55.26 | darsie | bye a radio controlled clock? |
| 12:55.35 | darsie | :) |
| 12:55.40 | darsie | buy |
| 12:55.46 | fireba11 | gothenburg: what you mean by config? |
| 12:56.31 | darsie | use ntp? |
| 12:57.39 | gothenburg | mhm |
| 12:57.52 | darsie | what are 'trunk' kernels about? |
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| 12:58.42 | darsie | dpkg says it's a version control system. So is it irrelevant to non developers to pick trunk or non trunk kernels? |
| 12:58.44 | dpkg | darsie: that's too long |
| 12:59.04 | gothenburg | how to use ntp? |
| 12:59.30 | darsie | aptitude install ntp |
| 12:59.39 | gothenburg | oh it solved that problem self |
| 12:59.40 | darsie | it will use default servers. |
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| 12:59.49 | Stereo | darsie: openntpd is what I tend to use |
| 13:00.03 | Stereo | the configuration is trivial, and the daemon is lighter |
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| 13:01.38 | darsie | I was usually annoyed by having to put my uplink servers in ntp.conf on every update. Dunno if that changed. It's a problem with several packages. |
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| 13:03.25 | fireba11 | darsie: hu? user modified config doesn't just get overwritten on update on debian you know |
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| 13:04.36 | darsie | fireba11: No, apt asks me if I want to use the package maintainers version, or mine. But I always think it's good to use the newer version, so I have to carry my changes to the newer config file. |
| 13:05.02 | fireba11 | darsie: use the option to show changes will you? :-) |
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| 13:05.32 | darsie | I do, but that doesn't install the new version with my changes. |
| 13:05.33 | fireba11 | also it's only 1 line or 2. once a year or so .. it doesn't get updated a lot after all |
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| 13:05.56 | darsie | And I speak not only about ntp. |
| 13:06.11 | darsie | recently it was dovecot. |
| 13:06.20 | darsie | and something else. |
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| 13:07.05 | fireba11 | darsie: you could try some scripting to ahve your changes patched in again. but usually it's better to manually check changes and fix config as needed |
| 13:07.31 | darsie | yeah, I guess it's not easy to solve automatically. |
| 13:07.53 | darsie | One solution is split config files. |
| 13:07.58 | fireba11 | config heavy packages like exim provide split config files, so you can just add your config without problems. |
| 13:08.13 | darsie | gg |
| 13:08.18 | wols_ | gothenburg: ntpdate pool.ntp.org is a good way to set time |
| 13:08.28 | wols_ | note that inside VM, clock is pretty much always screwy |
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| 13:08.32 | gothenburg | :) |
| 13:08.33 | darsie | is ntpdate still there? |
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| 13:08.45 | wols_ | !ntpdate |
| 13:08.45 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just install the ntp package, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. Ask me about <ntp>. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 13:08.49 | gothenburg | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.52 | gothenburg | weii |
| 13:08.53 | fireba11 | wols_: inside VM you should update clock via VMware tools, they keep it correct |
| 13:08.57 | GieltjE | anyone here who would like to help me to fix dkim with postfix? |
| 13:09.08 | darsie | bash: ntpdate: command not found |
| 13:09.08 | wols_ | fireba11: virtualbox has vmware tools? |
| 13:09.11 | gothenburg | I use virtualbox and ntp solved the problem |
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| 13:09.21 | wols_ | !tell GieltjE about anyone |
| 13:09.26 | gothenburg | wols_: there i another guest thing in virtualbox. |
| 13:09.40 | wols_ | gothenburg: it won't solve it |
| 13:09.40 | fggs | I've just updated my testing system.. |
| 13:09.40 | fireba11 | wols_: probably not. ntp should do the trick though |
| 13:09.44 | GieltjE | thnx wols_;) |
| 13:09.47 | gothenburg | wols_: it did |
| 13:09.50 | fggs | was a bit scarry tho.. |
| 13:10.12 | wols_ | gothenburg: yes, it did. right now. it will break in the future. drift is not normal in VMs, hence: it breaks |
| 13:10.15 | gothenburg | wols_: the time was 1h before my time (GMT+2 instead of GMT+1) :p |
| 13:10.36 | wols_ | a 1h time is usually a timezone problem, not a clock one |
| 13:10.49 | fggs | where can I see the kernel logs? like modules being loaded and stuff |
| 13:11.01 | wols_ | fggs: /var/log/kern.log |
| 13:11.02 | darsie | fggs: /var/log/syslog? |
| 13:11.06 | fggs | hum |
| 13:11.12 | fggs | tried kern.log |
| 13:11.15 | fggs | now trying syslog |
| 13:11.16 | fggs | thanks |
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| 13:12.11 | wols_ | sylog has nothing kernel related that isn't in kern.log. it has a lot more tho |
| 13:12.49 | darsie | fggs: You can also use the dmesg command. |
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| 13:13.12 | chrisw | hi all, what's the right way to get a version on svn on my debian server newer than 1.5.1? |
| 13:13.27 | chrisw | (I'm currently running debian stable and would like to remain that way...) |
| 13:13.58 | wols_ | !tell chrisw about backports |
| 13:14.01 | fireba11 | chrisw: i suggest using backports if there is any |
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| 13:14.10 | chrisw | mcsigh |
| 13:14.16 | chrisw | when's the next stable release due? |
| 13:14.29 | wols_ | !tell chrisw about wir |
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| 13:16.16 | fggs | well, I thought I've read something about modprobe.d, but couldn't find on the logs |
| 13:16.31 | fggs | neither kern.log, syslog or dmesg output.. |
| 13:17.18 | wols_ | !wayttd fggs |
| 13:17.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fggs? |
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| 13:17.29 | fireba11 | chrisw: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 13:17.29 | _silvia_ | ciao |
| 13:17.33 | _silvia_ | !list |
| 13:17.34 | dpkg | _silvia_: VATTENE VIA |
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| 13:17.41 | fggs | wols_, trying to see my boot output |
| 13:17.58 | fggs | wols_, because I'm pretty sure I saw some errors during boot |
| 13:18.01 | wols_ | that is in kern.log unless it's too long ago or in /var/log/dmesg |
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| 13:18.30 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 13:18.32 | wols_ | "boot output" from when and what? from the kernel or daemons? |
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| 13:19.18 | darsie | fggs: There are also messages from userspace programs during boot. IMHO they will not neccesarily be in any log file. |
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| 13:19.31 | fggs | wols_, both I guess.. |
| 13:19.53 | fggs | I wish boot was slow :S |
| 13:19.55 | darsie | fggs: You can try pressing ctrl-s to halt the output during boot. Doesn't work always, but keep trying. |
| 13:20.05 | darsie | use ctrl-q to resume. |
| 13:20.15 | fggs | ok, let me reboot again :D brb |
| 13:20.15 | darsie | Or make a video with your digicam. |
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| 13:22.37 | fggs | worked.. deprecated modules in modprobe.conf |
| 13:22.50 | fggs | now let's see which ones |
| 13:23.08 | darsie | fggs: And you can use ctrl (or shift?) page up/down to scroll during boot. |
| 13:23.29 | fggs | cool |
| 13:23.37 | fggs | thanks darsie |
| 13:23.41 | darsie | yw |
| 13:23.45 | fggs | it's parport |
| 13:23.57 | darsie | but the buffer gets deleted when you switch console. |
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| 13:27.52 | fggs | meh, so I have only one line on modprobe.conf |
| 13:28.04 | eoke | Hi I'm having a problem installing Debian 5.0 on some new hardware specifically I'm unable to complete the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" step. The CD-ROM is a SATA based device, any ideas on how I might encourage debian to detect it? |
| 13:28.06 | fggs | and I guess I have to paste to modprobe.d dir, but how? |
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| 13:29.33 | fireba11 | eoke: got any obsucre hardware (mainboard chipset)? since it worked fine here with SATA DVD |
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| 13:32.03 | eoke | Not really just a basic Gigabyte motherboard running an I5 chip just trying to remember the chipset now. |
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| 13:33.48 | fggs | I have parport options inside modprobe.conf, should I create a file like parport.conf, paste those lines there, save and then delete modprobe.conf? |
| 13:34.43 | eoke | fireball: The chipset is "Intel P55 Express" |
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| 13:36.24 | zjkhere | I'm try to let my AR242x wireless card to work, how can i know what drive it is using? |
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| 13:37.35 | imganquan | hi all. nautilus-open-terminal doesn't work, I'm in sid. How about yours? |
| 13:37.44 | eoke | Fireball: Not sure what the problem was but I've cheated and resolved it with an external USB CD-ROM drive, thanks for your help. |
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| 13:41.45 | autoscum | Hello. |
| 13:41.58 | Autoscum | How do I install binutils? Haha. |
| 13:42.22 | Autoscum | Like, is there a package I can automatically get with apt? |
| 13:43.20 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: yeah there's a package, but it should already be installed |
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| 13:43.35 | Autoscum | PingFloyd: It should be, but the nVidia drivers installer tells me it's not. |
| 13:43.51 | Gijs | How to get a full chmod of a direction (something with cat) |
| 13:44.01 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: sounds like something wrong with the nvidia installer |
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| 13:44.19 | Autoscum | I run it sh installer.run (not to type the full name) |
| 13:44.27 | Autoscum | It gives me the error that I don't have binutils |
| 13:44.44 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: its probably making some wrong assumption and looking in the wrong places |
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| 13:45.13 | Autoscum | Also, I'm running it through Root Terminal |
| 13:45.29 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: I can't really help with that though, because I'm not running nvidia, it's just that installer scripts from manufacturers often are poorly written |
| 13:46.14 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: just the other days, when I was installing fglrx from ati, it couldn't even find a library that it itself provided :P |
| 13:46.19 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: how pathetic is that? |
| 13:46.40 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 13:46.40 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: I had to extract the thing and fix it before installing it |
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| 13:47.08 | Autoscum | dpgk chmod | Gijs |
| 13:47.08 | Shadur | Autoscum: You might want to try the debian nvidia-kernel packages or use module-assistant. |
| 13:47.19 | Gijs | what? |
| 13:47.25 | Gijs | something with cat was it if i am right |
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| 13:47.35 | Autoscum | Gijs: /msg dpkg chmod |
| 13:47.47 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: can you pastebin the output the installer is giving you? |
| 13:47.50 | Shadur | Gijs: What are you trying to do? chmod can work recursively just fine. |
| 13:47.55 | Gijs | yes |
| 13:48.08 | Autoscum | Okay, PingFloyd, just a second. |
| 13:48.16 | Gijs | but i have 1 direction wich have a chmod wich i don't know lol but i need that chmod exactly the same on a other direction |
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| 13:49.14 | Autoscum | PingFloyd: http://pastebin.com/d25e6856d |
| 13:49.34 | Gijs | and there was something with cat to get it |
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| 13:50.01 | zjkhere | is it possible to switch from ath5k to madwifi? |
| 13:50.02 | Autoscum | Shadur: It can't find a package called nvidia-kernel |
| 13:50.40 | Gijs | so Autoscum can you help me :)? |
| 13:50.59 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: you might look through the script and see how its calling ld |
| 13:51.10 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: I can't image you not having ld installed |
| 13:51.26 | Autoscum | PingFloyd: Okay, I'll check it out. |
| 13:51.47 | Autoscum | Gijs: I can't help you, sorry. Type /msg dpkg chmod in the chat field to ask the bot about it. :) |
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| 13:52.04 | EMPER0R | hi what similar soft over opensource and freesoftware is like "youtube" to expose by streaming server videos? |
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| 13:53.47 | Autoscum | PingFloyd: I can't find 'id' or 'binutils' anywhere in the script. o.O |
| 13:54.06 | PingFloyd | Autoscum: ld not id |
| 13:54.12 | Autoscum | Oh. |
| 13:54.14 | Autoscum | Hahah. |
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| 13:55.16 | Autoscum | PingFloyd: Wait a second, how do I 'look' in the script? |
| 13:55.41 | PingFloyd | you can grep or use a text editor or less etc |
| 13:55.49 | sash_ | the beginning is text. |
| 13:56.04 | Autoscum | Aha. |
| 13:56.08 | Autoscum | So I was doing it right. |
| 13:56.15 | sash_ | Use vi or whatever |
| 13:56.17 | Autoscum | Well, can't find ld either. |
| 13:56.21 | sep | Autoscum, why are you not installing nvidia drivers the debian way ? |
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| 13:56.29 | Autoscum | sep: How would I do that? |
| 13:56.36 | sep | Autoscum, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 13:56.57 | sep | there are many ways, personaly i use module-assistant ( m-a a-i nvidia ) |
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| 13:57.04 | Autoscum | sep: I'm already using 'nv' |
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| 13:57.24 | sep | i am talking about the propritary nvidia drivers |
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| 13:58.16 | Gijs | how to give the owner of a direction ALL access of that direction and the files/folders up that direction so example: test got ALL access on /home/test/* |
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| 14:00.17 | sash_ | chmod -R test /home/test |
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| 14:01.02 | Gijs | don't work |
| 14:01.13 | Gijs | chmod: invalid mode: `test' |
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| 14:01.31 | Yeretik | Hi, maybe this is an OffTopic question, but i'm desperately lookin' for an app to provide video upload and streaming service like YouTube in to my local network... Does anybody knows some one ? |
| 14:01.31 | petemc | you want chown |
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| 14:01.53 | petemc | and they're normally called directories.. |
| 14:01.56 | Autoscum | Okay, enough about nVidia. |
| 14:02.36 | sep | Gijs, read about chown and chmod |
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| 14:03.33 | Autoscum | How do I make flashplayer (YouTube) use 6 channels? o.O |
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| 14:04.06 | sash_ | petemc: ouch. of course chown... |
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| 14:11.53 | toolz | hi, can anyone tell my why when I get for example a flood for more than 100K packets per sec I'm dropped? I mean I have a cisco in front and 300mbps international and 2Gbits national connection |
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| 14:12.09 | toolz | and when I flood even myself with 100/300K packets per sec, my connection drops |
| 14:12.14 | toolz | on my systems I use debian |
| 14:12.29 | fireba11 | toolz: that does not sound healthy |
| 14:12.49 | Stereo | toolz: stop flooding yourself then :) |
| 14:12.58 | toolz | but it shouldnt drop, my nics are all ok, gbit nics, switches cisco linksys with management, cisco router in front, layer 3 |
| 14:13.01 | toolz | wtf.. |
| 14:13.07 | toolz | Stereo, I just tested to see |
| 14:13.21 | sep | toolz, what device drops ? |
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| 14:13.44 | toolz | I have no idea, I just see on the machines where I'm flooded ethx entering premicious mode |
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| 14:13.46 | toolz | or something like tha |
| 14:13.46 | sep | toolz, have mtr running while testing. |
| 14:13.48 | toolz | that* |
| 14:14.18 | sep | also perhaps ping to the switch the router your isp etc see what ping stops and what ping stays when dropping |
| 14:15.09 | toolz | k |
| 14:15.29 | toolz | but what does it mean when nic is entering premicious mode |
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| 14:16.10 | sep | that it stops to filter on your own ip address. it listen to all traffic. perhaps you started tcpdump or some such thing |
| 14:16.15 | sep | or wireshark |
| 14:16.27 | sep | a mode in the network card |
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| 14:19.55 | twobitsprite | I asked this last night, but didn't see a response... I'm trying to install xen on squeeze, but I can't find any xenlinux kernel packages... |
| 14:20.39 | twobitsprite | I can't find anything in the forums or wiki which explains this |
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| 14:24.37 | twobitsprite | I have the hypervisor package... just no kernels |
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| 14:26.52 | abrotman | twobitsprite: i thought it was built-in now ? |
| 14:27.16 | abrotman | twobitsprite: did you read : http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#XenonUnstable.2BAC8-Sid |
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| 14:27.50 | twobitsprite | yeah... didn't realize that applied to testing |
| 14:27.54 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 14:28.33 | abrotman | twobitsprite: there is also #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:28.34 | toolz | can you help me install some grafs on debian? |
| 14:28.42 | twobitsprite | ahh ha... thanks |
| 14:28.45 | abrotman | some what? |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | twobitsprite: while you're over there, maybe ask one of them to add that to the "Resources" area of that wiki page |
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| 14:40.59 | Autoscum | I have an Aiptek DV5100M camera that can also be used as a webcam in "Live mode". I can't seem to find any linux drivers. This means I can't use it, right? |
| 14:42.01 | sep | Autoscum, depends on the chipset in the cam |
| 14:42.08 | Autoscum | sep: How do I check that? |
| 14:42.14 | sep | in linux drivers are usualy for chipsets not for brandnames |
| 14:42.23 | sep | google for what chipset is in the cam |
| 14:42.43 | sep | and then google for linux support for that chipset. |
| 14:43.06 | jelly | judd: versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 14:43.07 | judd | xulrunner-1.9.1 -- lenny-backports: 1.9.1.6-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1.9.1.6-1; sid: 1.9.1.6-2 |
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| 14:43.58 | jelly | judd: you're slow! |
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| 14:45.03 | force | hi, a few web servers of mine are being ddosed with a syn flood, i've tried the iptables --limit and limit-burst rules, syn cookies and everything else i can think of including modifying retry proc values etc as well |
| 14:45.03 | force | any other ideas? |
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| 14:45.03 | force | or can you recommened a decent rebuilt firewall ruleset |
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| 14:45.22 | force | i've tried floodmon and various other daemons with no success |
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| 14:46.54 | tdn | How do I prevent a shutdown from happening from a python script? Is there a way to have a python script "trigger" upon shutdown? I need to prevent the shutdown from happening, if a certain process is running. |
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| 14:48.36 | petemc | tdn: replace /sbin/shutdown with a wrapper ? |
| 14:48.54 | R1ck | tdn: put a script in /etc/rc0.d ? |
| 14:49.50 | tdn | R1ck, does that mean it will be run upon shutdown? Will shutdown wait for it to terminate before continuing with shutdown? |
| 14:50.52 | R1ck | depending on the filename it will run first or last or somewhere in between. perhaps you could check if the process is running in that script, and if so, execute "init 3" or "runlevel 3" or something |
| 14:51.06 | tdn | petemc, I have thought about that, and I would like to know if it is possible without replacing /sbin/shutdown, so that I do not need to worry about that that might break. |
| 14:51.54 | R1ck | tdn: oh, telinit is the right command to change runlevel |
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| 14:52.54 | tdn | R1ck, ok |
| 14:53.48 | petemc | tdn: i havent done it before, but i cant imagine it breaking much - how often do you shutdown? |
| 14:54.13 | tdn | petemc, often. It is for some laptops. I do not want them to shutdown if they're in the middle of a backup. |
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| 14:54.26 | R1ck | something simple like "pidof <process>; if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then telinit 3; fi" could work |
| 14:54.52 | R1ck | oh that should be $? -eq 0 |
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| 14:55.27 | R1ck | put that in /etc/rc0.d/K00something |
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| 14:56.28 | Dieterbe | Hi, where does /etc/network/if-up.d/000resolvconf get the $IF_DNS_NAMESERVERS parameters from? or to put it differently : i must run resolvconf to update the /etc/resolv.conf because we now use different dns servers. but the network config of this box is fairly static. should i just `echo <new config> | resolvconf -a eth0` or should i put the new config somewhere? |
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| 14:57.29 | tdn | R1ck, ok. I will try. Thanks. |
| 14:57.36 | R1ck | yw, goodluck |
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| 14:58.23 | tdn | petemc, R1ck: Maybe a better way of doing this would be to somehow replace the "logout / shutdown" function in Gnome. Because the users should also not bring down the network (NetworkManager) as this would stop the backup also. |
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| 14:59.34 | Dieterbe | aha, i think i found it in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/ |
| 14:59.55 | R1ck | tdn: K00 would execute before any other scripts including NetworkManager |
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| 15:02.30 | tdn | R1ck, ok. So if I put my script, K00-foo in with the following pseudo code: 'if $BACKUP_IS_RUNNING: telinit 3' that should do it? |
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| 15:03.35 | wm4 | is ifup / ifdown debian specific? |
| 15:03.38 | R1ck | well, that would start up runlevel 3 again, it could mean though services are getting invoked with the start command while they're already running |
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| 15:03.58 | R1ck | wm4: debian's versions of ifup/down are debian specific :P |
| 15:04.17 | R1ck | wm4: other distros have their own ifup/ifdown commands, some distro's dont have any |
| 15:04.32 | wm4 | in that case, why the hell does Debian put up with this crap: http://codepad.org/z2Ev0H5Z http://codepad.org/8sUEddfG |
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| 15:05.04 | wm4 | it was my worst wtf moment this day (right after NetworkManager disrupting my wlan with its pure existence) |
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| 15:06.49 | R1ck | dunno, has always worked fine for me |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | wm4: you mean the code? |
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| 15:09.34 | Bushmills | networkmanager is pure evil |
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| 15:11.10 | Zbyshek | Is there any setting where to allow to change hostname according to DHCP? |
| 15:11.19 | Zbyshek | including domain name |
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| 15:14.44 | wm4 | abrotman: yes the code... it is unreadable |
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| 15:19.25 | Dieterbe | 5/wc |
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| 15:20.13 | abrotman | wm4: do you know who the upstream is ? |
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| 15:20.28 | wm4 | abrotman: no |
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| 15:20.58 | abrotman | wm4: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/ifupdown/ifupdown_0.6.8+nmu1/ifupdown.copyright |
| 15:21.15 | abrotman | wm4: you could uh .. submit patches to 'clean it up' |
| 15:21.15 | SPF | judd: versions cksfv |
| 15:21.16 | judd | cksfv -- etch: 1.3.5-1; sid: 1.3.14-1; squeeze: 1.3.14-1 |
| 15:21.28 | SPF | why is cksfv not in lenny? |
| 15:21.38 | wm4 | abrotman: "Anthony Towns", is he important or so? |
| 15:21.41 | abrotman | SPF: it may have been too buggy for inclusion |
| 15:22.05 | abrotman | wm4: he used to be very active in Debian, even DPL once (twice?) .. haven't seen much from him lately, so not sure anymore |
| 15:22.16 | SPF | abrotman: where can I get more info? |
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| 15:22.24 | abrotman | SPF: moment |
| 15:22.39 | abrotman | wm4: you could offer to help maintain the package .. i see it has lots of open bugs |
| 15:23.06 | xyan | SPF: give cfv a try and heres the info http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/cksfv.html |
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| 15:24.16 | abrotman | SPF: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460638 |
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| 15:28.11 | CodeNinja | I've got a weird issue. I have 3 VPS's on the same node 1 running lenny, 2 running squeeze, one of the ones on squeeze cannot ping the internet, but can traceroute to the router. all 3 are same network configuration, each with their own specified IP., any ideas? |
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| 15:29.49 | SPF | abrotman: I understand that the package is very old, too bad. I'll migrate my scripts to cfv |
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| 15:30.26 | SPF | xyan: thx for the tip, will try to use cfv in my scripts instead |
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| 15:31.51 | CargolSS | ##linux |
| 15:32.06 | liable | oops |
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| 15:33.37 | CargolSS | can i use cd images as repos for aptitude? |
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| 15:35.43 | abrotman | CargolSS: you can if you really want to .. it's probably easier to use an http source |
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| 15:37.20 | CargolSS | abrotman: well my isp changed my connection and now internet is dead |
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| 15:37.54 | CargolSS | and i need pppoeconf to configure my connection :) |
| 15:38.14 | wols_ | no need for pppoeconf, even when it can be easier |
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| 15:38.44 | CargolSS | wols_: how? |
| 15:38.50 | wols_ | why not download pppoeconf, ppp and such from packages.debian.org now |
| 15:39.08 | wols_ | pppoeconf only writes the appropriate config files, nothing it does on its own. afterwards it's not needed |
| 15:39.31 | CargolSS | wols_: dont have gdebi installed |
| 15:39.56 | wols_ | it's not needed. download the .deb packages now, install them with dpkg -i <file> |
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| 15:40.41 | CargolSS | wols_: ppppeconf has to many dependencies? too complicated |
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| 15:41.03 | CargolSS | :D found something http://www.warianoz.com/foros/showthread.php?t=397260&language=en |
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| 15:41.18 | nenedeantes | Hello everyone |
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| 15:42.24 | wols_ | there are very few deps for pppoeconf |
| 15:42.55 | wols_ | basically only pppoe and ppp, the rest is base debian |
| 15:44.26 | CargolSS | wols_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/pppoeconf |
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| 15:44.54 | CargolSS | look at depen |
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| 15:46.50 | wols_ | I know. and as I said: you only have ppp and pppoe as dependencies. which you both need anyways to use your internet connection |
| 15:46.55 | wols_ | so you need to get 3 packages |
| 15:47.04 | wols_ | pppoeconf, pppoe and ppp |
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| 15:47.30 | CargolSS | wols_ ok thank you |
| 15:47.35 | CargolSS | will try |
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| 16:09.35 | MmikeNekud | How does one runs two separate instances of mysql server (or postgres server or apache server) using debian packages for the respected service? I need to have two apache services, one listening on ip1:80, another on ip2:80 so that when I shutdown first instance the second one should be running. |
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| 16:11.48 | hipodilski | hi guys |
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| 16:12.24 | hipodilski | I'm trying to install apache mod_suphp on debian lenny the module is not working for some reason should I have normal php5 in apache disabled to make it working? |
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| 16:13.07 | paradoxmonkey | Is there something similar to freebsd jails in linux? |
| 16:13.24 | Carp | chroot...? |
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| 16:13.59 | maligor | heh, chroot isn't the same as that |
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| 16:14.31 | petemc | there are plenty of virtualization choices for linux |
| 16:14.44 | Carp | oh, he's speaking of the system-level virtualization that freebsd implements? |
| 16:14.46 | paradoxmonkey | I'm looking for a good way to secure network services like samba |
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| 16:15.02 | Carp | in that case ... VirtualBox is my favorite :] |
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| 16:15.44 | maligor | virtualbox isn't the same either |
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| 16:15.58 | bentlux | hello , I'm trying to install debian stable on a Dell PowerEdge T610 , it has an EFI Bios , will the grub installed by default work , or should I install grub-efi ? |
| 16:16.10 | paradoxmonkey | I'd figured that a god way to secure samba is something like a freebsd jail |
| 16:16.14 | maligor | that's a virtual machine, there's a bunch on linux, don't really know if any are in linux vanilla |
| 16:16.14 | Carp | although, if you've got VM-supported hardware, Linux kernel KVM is probably your best bet. |
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| 16:16.38 | maligor | Carp, that's not the same thing, that's a virtual machine also |
| 16:16.45 | maligor | what he means is containers |
| 16:16.48 | imganquan | Carp: can you tell me, does virtualbox addition depend X |
| 16:17.11 | paradoxmonkey | Carp: my cpu doesn't support Intel VT-x :( |
| 16:17.13 | Carp | imganquan: no, it does not depend on X11 at all |
| 16:17.24 | maligor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system-level_virtualization |
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| 16:17.51 | maligor | I guess chroot is grouped into them, but it's hardly a secure option |
| 16:17.57 | Carp | hehe :] |
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| 16:18.12 | kombucha | using http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 16:18.24 | imganquan | I install a CLI debian in my virtualbox, when I clicked install Addition in the menu, the debian didn't find the Addition file in /cdrom |
| 16:18.25 | Carp | thx for the info, didn't know the various implementations fell into so many categories! |
| 16:18.26 | kombucha | however I am getting 404'd when I do aptitude upgrade |
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| 16:18.38 | maligor | I think LXC containers is in mainline? |
| 16:18.46 | kombucha | is the problem with my source.list or is there something else going on? |
| 16:19.25 | wols_ | kombucha: what has the missing /cdrom stuff to do with 404 from aptitude? |
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| 16:19.44 | kombucha | wols_: I am not using any cdrom stuff |
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| 16:20.12 | kombucha | I am getting 404 Not Found [IP 128.101.240.212 ] |
| 16:20.13 | paradoxmonkey | maligor: it's in the mainline since 2.6.29 |
| 16:20.13 | wols_ | you do: VM additions |
| 16:20.31 | wols_ | oops. sorry. confused you and imganquan |
| 16:20.45 | wols_ | kombucha: use another mirror? check the mirror with a webbrowser or ftp client |
| 16:20.50 | wols_ | imganquan: mount the cdrom? |
| 16:21.04 | imganquan | wols_: yes. |
| 16:21.05 | kombucha | Err http:security.debian.org stable/updates ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 16:21.08 | paradoxmonkey | So witch one should I go with, FreeVPS or LXC? |
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| 16:21.57 | kombucha | wols_: ftp to security.debian.org works, of course |
| 16:22.14 | wols_ | kombucha: does wget? |
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| 16:22.36 | benedikt | I have been seeing kernel panics on my laptop after i started using a docking station. It occurs after the computer has been undocked, even one hour after. I havent found anything in the logs, and no bugs reports and nothing on google. Is there some procude one is supposed to do before I undock it from the station? |
| 16:22.44 | kombucha | I think it may be bc I have stable/updates in my sourceslist, not stable |
| 16:24.08 | atula | how would I safely update fail2ban ? I have this version 0.8.3-2sid1 |
| 16:24.36 | atula | should I just remove the package and then download and build from source the new package ? |
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| 16:25.02 | themill | atula: why do you want to update it? |
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| 16:25.58 | atula | there's a bug or two in the version 0.8.3-2sid1 which I believe might be the cause of my apache-noscript and apache-* jails for not working correctly |
| 16:26.10 | wols_ | ,versions fail2ban |
| 16:26.11 | judd | fail2ban -- etch: 0.7.5-2etch1; etch-security: 0.7.5-2etch1; etch-backports: 0.8.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.3-2sid1; sid: 0.8.4-1; squeeze: 0.8.4-1 |
| 16:26.11 | atula | i.e: the IP isn't banned |
| 16:26.30 | atula | 0.8.3-2sid1 that's what I have |
| 16:26.37 | atula | I'm on lenny then |
| 16:26.41 | wols_ | !tell atula about ssb |
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| 16:27.22 | themill | that's anything but a simple sid backport |
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| 16:27.27 | keith4 | am I crazy? didn't joomla used to be packaged? |
| 16:27.34 | atula | wols_: I don't want to screw up the stable stamp |
| 16:28.06 | atula | I would like my server to stay pure I suppose. |
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| 16:29.19 | atula | deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/debian/debian/ lenny main contrib for me at the moment |
| 16:29.36 | themill | atula: is it that fail2ban isn't looking at the right log file or that it isn't the right regex? |
| 16:29.50 | themill | atula: I'm guessing this is something you can solve with configuration rather than trying a newer package |
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| 16:30.13 | atula | themill: yeah it's just the config file which I could solve myself, but it's fix at the next version heh |
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| 16:30.32 | atula | manually applying patch isn't all that "recommended" at least to me anyhoo |
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| 16:31.02 | themill | atula: it's a config file -- it's there for you to edit... grab that updated config file and drop it into /etc/fail2ban/filter.d and be happy |
| 16:31.38 | atula | heh yeh. but I was afraid that doing that might just screw things up a bit if the config file is using newer code base |
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| 16:32.30 | themill | atula: there's always a chance. compare them. try it out. revert if it doesn't work. |
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| 16:32.46 | atula | themill: okay I think I'll do that |
| 16:32.52 | atula | thanks. I'll let you know the restul |
| 16:32.55 | atula | result |
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| 16:35.27 | benedikt | Is there a proper way to undock a laptop? |
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| 16:39.52 | Autoscum | How do I browse the file system as root? I'm trying to move an aMSN skin from Desktop to /usr/share/amsn/skins which is locked. |
| 16:40.09 | imganquan | Hi all. After I install Debian in Virtualbox, I didn't find a framebuffer device in /dev, why? |
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| 16:41.25 | mike-burns | Autoscum: You don't want to do that. Also: sudo nautilus -n --no-desktop |
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| 16:41.33 | Autoscum | mike-burns: Thanks. |
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| 16:42.17 | mike-burns | Autoscum: Oh, you need a directory at the end of that. Try putting a . at the end. |
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| 16:42.33 | Autoscum | mike-burns: No worries, I got it. :) |
| 16:43.34 | Autoscum | It worked. Thank you, mike-burns. :) |
| 16:43.45 | mike-burns | Sure thing. |
| 16:44.19 | wols_ | mike-burns: sudo handles display and X permissions automatically? |
| 16:44.51 | Autoscum | I ran "nautilus" through Root Terminal. :) |
| 16:44.59 | mike-burns | Ah. |
| 16:45.04 | mike-burns | I actually didn't try it before suggesting it. |
| 16:45.08 | mike-burns | Heh. |
| 16:45.10 | Autoscum | Hehe |
| 16:45.19 | Nalle_ | So guys, am I right in deducing, that even though I have a PostgreSQL database created as UTF-8 and it still fails in, say, INSERT commands when ever I try to use non-7bit characters, that somehow that is linked to what ever locale the Linux server happens to be which would be, in this case, something else? So.. how do I fix that? |
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| 16:45.45 | Autoscum | Also, how can I check which flash player I'm using in Ice Weasel? The free one that came with it can't handle 1080p HD YouTube videos, or that's just my video card's lack of proper drivers. |
| 16:46.28 | atula | does anyone know if I should set fail2ban to *access.log or *error.log ? (apache2) |
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| 16:47.10 | wols_ | Autoscum: about:plugins |
| 16:49.39 | Autoscum | wols_: Yeah, it's my video card, then. :( |
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| 16:52.11 | wols_ | what drivers do you use with the card? |
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| 16:53.40 | Autoscum | wols_: "nv", the free drivers that came with Debian. |
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| 16:55.25 | Autoscum | wols_: My problem with nVidia's "real" drivers is that they don't detect "ld", a part of binutils and can't install the drivers. |
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| 16:56.11 | muckster | howdy - anyone here using gridengine? |
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| 16:56.26 | muckster | wondering if there's any news gettting 6.2-5 packaged... |
| 16:56.31 | wols_ | Autoscum: is this a known problem? it more looks like a problem specific to you and solvable |
| 16:56.41 | wols_ | ,versions gridengine |
| 16:56.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gridengine' was found. |
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| 16:57.18 | muckster | try 'gridengine-master' then |
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| 16:57.31 | fggs | erm.. since the last update of squeeze, avahi became unstable :| |
| 16:57.44 | wols_ | ,versions gridengine-master |
| 16:57.45 | judd | gridengine-master -- lenny: 6.2-4; sid: 6.2u4-2; squeeze: 6.2u4-2 |
| 16:58.09 | Autoscum | wols_: I've been with Debian before, the nVidia drivers were installed with no problems. |
| 16:58.17 | Autoscum | About a month ago. |
| 16:58.31 | muckster | well done Judd - now what about 6.2-5 then?> |
| 16:59.34 | wols_ | muckster: not on debian. yet |
| 17:01.37 | muckster | no shit - that's why I'm on IRC asking if anyone knows the status of the packaging efforts? |
| 17:01.55 | muckster | I was going to volunteer if I could get either of the maintainers to email back... |
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| 17:02.44 | themill | muckster: you might like to file a wishlist bug to have it updated. There's a chance the maintainers are already working on it or a chance they don't even know it's been released yet |
| 17:03.20 | muckster | themill: cheers for that - I hadn't thought of that! |
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| 17:04.45 | leejongwook | i can't find package "xrandr" @_@ |
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| 17:06.54 | themill | what makes you think it's a package? |
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| 17:07.49 | leejongwook | found grandr instead :) |
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| 17:19.37 | atula | could someone take a look at this fail2ban config file and tell me what's wrong with them: http://pastie.org/private/sanzdc4pz3zhok7c31brcq I can't seem to ban people doing 404 requests to scan for things like /pma/ phpMyadmin/ setup.php config.php etc. |
| 17:19.44 | atula | thanks |
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| 17:20.56 | ghiro | ciao |
| 17:21.01 | ghiro | !list |
| 17:21.02 | dpkg | ghiro: VATTENE VIA |
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| 17:21.53 | atula | using debian lenny 5.0.4 |
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| 17:24.20 | DanDare | Hello. Im learning how to duplicate a system using: 'dpkg --get-selections' 'dpkg --set-selections' 'apt-get dselect-upgrade'. Doing this, the expected order of installation regarding dependencies will be covered? Example: Some package needs configure apache2 so apache2 will be installed first. |
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| 17:25.43 | wols_ | apt-get's reason for existence is dependency handing. so yes, it will be covered |
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| 17:27.45 | leejongwook | themill, <themill> what makes you think it's a package? what is "xrandr" then ? :-/ |
| 17:28.59 | themill | leejongwook: it's a program. Each program doesn't have its own package though. Is there an "ls" package? It's *in* a package though. /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 17:29.15 | leejongwook | themill, i see :) |
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| 17:29.38 | themill | (there is an "sl" package though....) |
| 17:29.41 | leejongwook | themill, still got confused @_@ |
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| 17:30.24 | jelly | choo choo |
| 17:30.29 | leejongwook | hi :) |
| 17:30.47 | DanDare | thanks wols_ |
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| 17:33.43 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 17:36.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Hi guys Im not sure if there were many people here last night, but i wanted to ask again today. I got a Logitech C300h webcam at Walmart for about $40, it turned out to have a really sharp picture and works great. I tried cheese that is in the Lenny repo, but it lacks the custom video resolution settings that the never versions have. I need some recomendations for an app to record Debian tutorials with it. It has a built in mic as well. |
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| 17:37.43 | autoscum | How do I stop the X server so I can install nVidia? GRUB doesn't let me boot into recovery mode. |
| 17:38.24 | jhutchins_lt | LinuxGuy2009: Might find some help in #v4l |
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| 17:38.37 | ketsa | ctrl alt backspace or kill gdm |
| 17:38.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" I think thats it. |
| 17:39.05 | Autoscum | Okay, thanks. |
| 17:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | ketsa: ctrl-alt-backspace usually just kills the current session and goes back to the dm greeter or autologin. |
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| 17:39.58 | gnusosa | So thanks to the a new update my eeepc runs VT on it's intended resolution in KMS mode. Sweet |
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| 17:46.19 | Bushmills | I have a directory on an ext3 files system, which has the I extended attribute set (meaning that the directory is being indexed using hashed trees). Presumable this is the cause of chown causing the files in that dir to be copied, instead of ownership simply changed - well, that's a guess because that's the best explanation I found for this happening as far. With chattr i can't reset the I flag, and tune2fs allows setting it for file system, not for dir |
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| 17:48.13 | Autoscum | Hey, still trying to kill the X server. |
| 17:48.23 | Autoscum | Ctrl + Alt + Backspace only restarts the X server. |
| 17:48.38 | Bushmills | display manager? |
| 17:48.59 | Autoscum | Bushmills: I want to kill X so I can install nVidia drivers. |
| 17:49.11 | Bushmills | are you running a display manager? |
| 17:49.19 | rvsjoen | log in to a console (ctrl+alt+f1) and stop the display manager |
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| 17:49.27 | Autoscum | Well, the debian default I guess. |
| 17:49.40 | rvsjoen | I dont think X would restart itself without a display manager |
| 17:49.58 | rvsjoen | autoscum: probably its one of xdm, kdm or gdm |
| 17:49.58 | Bushmills | that's the reason for my question |
| 17:50.09 | Autoscum | GDM it is. |
| 17:50.13 | Autoscum | Gnome Display Manager, right? |
| 17:50.19 | rvsjoen | do /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then |
| 17:50.44 | Autoscum | So when I'm finished installing, I just do startx? |
| 17:50.54 | rvsjoen | just start gdm again |
| 17:51.00 | jhutchins | Autoscum: Wouldn't it make more sense to restart what you stopped? |
| 17:51.08 | Autoscum | Yeah, I guess. xD |
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| 17:51.48 | The_Eccentric | Ive tried aptitude update and got this error |
| 17:51.48 | jhutchins | Autoscum: The DM is that thing that handles logging you in to X, picking your session if you have multiple desktop options, etc. |
| 17:51.50 | The_Eccentric | aptitude update |
| 17:51.50 | The_Eccentric | aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6: cannot open shared object file: Input/output error |
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| 17:52.01 | The_Eccentric | input/output error?? |
| 17:52.04 | jhutchins | Autoscum: For most single-user systems we just have it log us in automatically, so we don't notice it, but it's there. |
| 17:52.06 | The_Eccentric | any suggestions? |
| 17:52.32 | jhutchins | The_Eccentric: Running as root or using sudo? |
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| 17:52.39 | The_Eccentric | root |
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| 17:54.43 | jhutchins | The_Eccentric: Not real sure, you could try apt-get instead, but you'd want to do something like apt-get -f install to fix aptitude. |
| 17:54.51 | Autoscum | Okay, I successfully killed it, but got errors about not having the kernel source installed. |
| 17:54.57 | Autoscum | And a compiler version mismatch. |
| 17:55.51 | Autoscum | Why can't things just work? This is a fresh installation. :( |
| 17:58.28 | The_Eccentric | jhutchins, i dont have apt-get on here, on an vps |
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| 18:05.31 | wols_ | The_Eccentric: then it's not debian |
| 18:05.36 | ewet | Hi is there an easy way to read qr codes on a debian machine with a webcam? |
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| 18:10.13 | rioch | is there a server version of debian? |
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| 18:10.18 | petemc | no |
| 18:10.26 | petemc | just install what you need |
| 18:11.12 | rioch | petemc: I'm not sure what I need...I was hoping a server version would know that for me |
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| 18:11.28 | petemc | rioch: what do you want the machine to do? |
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| 18:12.08 | rioch | petemc: run squeezeserver mostly (server mp3's) but also a file server, and maybe a local webserver at some point in time. |
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| 18:12.50 | wols_ | rioch: install debian. fairly at the end there is a screen where you can install stuff for roles like "ewbserver", "printserver" and such |
| 18:12.55 | petemc | rioch: during the installation, theres a step that offers you various options, file server, print server etc |
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| 18:13.29 | rioch | :) ok perfect, I'll get it started then |
| 18:13.30 | rioch | thanks |
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| 18:16.02 | jorizma | [13:15] * cwo-JomBlo Visit us at network chat and get bots + hosting special and free, /server IRC.ForChat.Net |
| 18:16.05 | jorizma | you should kick hium |
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| 18:17.01 | wols_ | jorizma: onjoin? |
| 18:17.06 | jorizma | yes |
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| 18:23.22 | Bushmills | hm.. it appears that the "I" extended attribute is set automatically when the file count in that dir reaches a certain number |
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| 18:24.40 | Autoscum | Hey guys, is there a task manager on Debian? dpkg doesn't know. |
| 18:24.56 | ewet | Top |
| 18:25.16 | Autoscum | Top? |
| 18:25.43 | ewet | Or htop |
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| 18:26.44 | ewet | Gnome also has one already built-in |
| 18:26.54 | Autoscum | How do I start it? |
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| 18:29.05 | ewet | Search for the gnome system monitor in system tools |
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| 18:31.43 | zicho | hey, i just installed the latest version of debian, but i'm having some troubles with the repositories it seems. Many packages cant be found (xchat for example) and some packages are unable to install (pidgin) because they have unsatisfiable dependencies. any idea why this is, should i add more repositories or something? |
| 18:32.12 | Autoscum | zicho: Yes, you must add additional repositories. |
| 18:32.26 | Autoscum | dpkg: backports |
| 18:32.26 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 18:33.15 | fggs | squeeze amd64 is really unstable for me today :( |
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| 18:34.57 | zicho | Autoscum: which ones? |
| 18:35.03 | fggs | is there a program to diagnose hdd? |
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| 18:35.14 | zinx | fggs: smartctl, generally |
| 18:35.16 | Autoscum | zicho: What dpkg said. :) backports.org |
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| 18:35.34 | The_Eccentric | jhutchins, wols_ no worries it was an issue with the vps company there systems are down :) srry to waste yall time |
| 18:35.41 | zinx | fggs: assuming you've already looked at dmesg |
| 18:35.41 | zicho | Autoscum: ah okay, thank you! |
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| 18:35.44 | fggs | I don't know if bad hdd could cause "call trace" errors or computer freezing |
| 18:36.02 | zinx | fggs: it can, but so can cpu/ram/power supply/motherboard |
| 18:36.12 | fggs | probably memory, but already tested with memtest.. |
| 18:36.42 | zinx | fggs: did you let it complete a full pass (which consists of many many "tests")? |
| 18:36.53 | fggs | yes |
| 18:36.55 | fggs | 10 tests |
| 18:37.04 | HandyGandy | I've installed this package called libapt-pkg-doc, but it's not clear to me how to examine the docs. |
| 18:37.13 | zinx | huh, which memtest did you use |
| 18:37.35 | fggs | memtest86+ 4.00 I guess |
| 18:38.08 | fggs | computer is brand new, a month and a few days.. |
| 18:38.28 | zinx | brand new computers and very old ones are generally the ones with problems. |
| 18:38.32 | wols_ | HandyGandy: dpkg -L <package name> shows what files it has installed. this one probably has in /usr/share/doc/libapt-pkg-doc/ |
| 18:38.49 | wols_ | fggs: memtest is done overnight |
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| 18:39.08 | wols_ | and yes there is a program to diagnose the hdd, smartmon-tools |
| 18:39.13 | zinx | fggs: are you doing anything in particular when it crashes? like, taking a lot of cpu, playing a game, doing a lot of hard drive access? |
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| 18:39.25 | wols_ | fggs: what are the exact errors? |
| 18:39.26 | fggs | no no, just surfing the net |
| 18:39.28 | fggs | talking here |
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| 18:39.51 | HandyGandy | wols_: There a bunch of files in there as well as in /usr/share/doc-base |
| 18:40.08 | fggs | wols_, well, I saw call traces since day one, but today it's freezing programs and freezing whole system |
| 18:40.11 | wols_ | HandyGandy: what files? |
| 18:40.32 | fggs | wols_, don't know if it's related to the latest updates.. |
| 18:40.41 | wols_ | fggs: I said exact, didn't I? |
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| 18:41.13 | tobago | i need to configure eth0 (change the mac address) for installation of debian. how to having the mini.iso started? |
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| 18:41.29 | fggs | wols_, ok, doesn't appear any error message, but computer freezes, programs freezes |
| 18:41.33 | HandyGandy | wols: Do you want a list? |
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| 18:42.14 | zinx | fggs: try out smartctl - if it's swap getting corrupted on the hd, it could certainly cause that.. but i think it's more likely to be your power supply/motherboard/cpu/ram |
| 18:42.56 | zinx | fggs: i would check power supply voltages in the BIOS, or via lm-sensors if your board is properly supported (some are not, and lm-sensors will report incorrect values) |
| 18:42.56 | wols_ | HandyGandy: do you really need a howto for using html files? |
| 18:43.08 | wols_ | is it permasunday again? |
| 18:43.23 | zinx | fggs: ##hardware may also provide more help |
| 18:43.23 | fggs | zink, checked, seems fine for me at leasrt |
| 18:43.43 | wols_ | fggs: you said you had "call traces" |
| 18:44.14 | tobago | i want to install debian, but i get no net access. |
| 18:44.22 | fggs | wols_, yes, let me find some on the logs |
| 18:44.25 | HandyGandy | wols_: They are not all html. |
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| 18:45.14 | wols_ | yes. the others are text. with the SAME content as the html ones. awesomeness |
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| 18:45.15 | HandyGandy | That's the point. I'm trying to figure out if there is supposed to be some organisation to them. |
| 18:45.24 | zicho | where do i find working software repositories for lenny/volatile? |
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| 18:46.04 | wols_ | !tell zicho about volatile |
| 18:46.17 | HandyGandy | zicho: go to source-list and uncomment the deb-src lines. |
| 18:46.33 | zicho | they are uncommented |
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| 18:46.38 | fggs | wols_, this was early today: http://pastebin.com/m3af0e6db |
| 18:46.48 | wols_ | HandyGandy: sources have to do with volatile what? |
| 18:46.55 | tobago | trying to install debian i receive a "network autoconfiguration failed" |
| 18:47.07 | tobago | that's aweful. |
| 18:47.14 | tobago | awful |
| 18:47.35 | wols_ | fggs: don't use cloesd source drivers |
| 18:47.55 | wols_ | tobago: what network card? |
| 18:48.00 | zicho | wols_: i have that line added, but i still have no working repositories. i cant install pidgin due to missing dependencies, for example |
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| 18:48.04 | Autoscum | wois_: Why not? |
| 18:48.13 | wols_ | !tell zicho about errors |
| 18:48.16 | fggs | wols_, which driver I'm using has closed source? |
| 18:48.23 | fggs | debian installed everything.. |
| 18:48.32 | wols_ | Autoscum: cause they taint his kernel as shown in the paste |
| 18:48.37 | tobago | wols_, realtek rtl81111/8168B |
| 18:48.42 | wols_ | fggs: nvidia or fglrx most likely |
| 18:48.56 | fggs | wols_, I have intel videocard |
| 18:49.01 | fggs | no nvidia driver here |
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| 18:49.04 | wols_ | tobago: that one is supported for quite a long time in debian. I use it myself |
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| 18:49.27 | wols_ | fggs: Feb 18 10:40:35 boss kernel: [ 1776.783133] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint that means you have a closed source driver somewhere |
| 18:49.27 | tobago | wols_, so why the message? |
| 18:49.50 | wols_ | tobago: go to another virtual console and check if ethX exists |
| 18:49.53 | zicho | wols_: apt-get install pidgin gives me tells me about two dependencies, libgtkspell0 and libpurple0 which cannot be installed |
| 18:50.09 | wols_ | fggs: and debian doesn't come with such a driver so you must have installed it on your own explicitly |
| 18:50.11 | zicho | wols_: and it says "broken packages" |
| 18:50.19 | wols_ | !tell zicho about errors |
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| 18:51.00 | fggs | wols_, really, I didn't installed any driver by hand |
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| 18:51.28 | wols_ | fggs: uname -a and lsmod |
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| 18:51.51 | zicho | wols_: i cant give you the exact error messages because i run debian in swedish |
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| 18:52.59 | fggs | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m555cc120 |
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| 18:53.13 | wols_ | zicho: export LANG=C |
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| 18:54.08 | zicho | wols_: pidgin: Depends: libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.10) but it is not installable |
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| 18:54.35 | tobago|home | wols_, how to? ifconfig is not know in the bash. |
| 18:54.54 | wols_ | tobago|home: dmesg should show if eth0 exists |
| 18:55.05 | wols_ | ,versions libgtkspell0 |
| 18:55.07 | judd | libgtkspell0 -- etch: 2.0.10-3+b1; lenny: 2.0.13-1+b1; squeeze: 2.0.13-2; sid: 2.0.16-1 |
| 18:55.34 | wols_ | zicho: apt-cache policy pidgin; apt-cache policy libgtkspell0 |
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| 18:56.10 | wols_ | fggs: I don't see any obvious tainted (non free) module. you do have non-free sources in sources.list? |
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| 18:56.35 | fggs | yes |
| 18:57.03 | wols_ | fggs: what did you install from there? |
| 18:57.12 | wols_ | fggs: any drivers? |
| 18:57.24 | fggs | I think maybe firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 18:57.59 | wols_ | the kernels _shouldn't_ say it's tainted since afaik its sources contain them too |
| 18:58.01 | fggs | but like I said, I had "call traces" while upgrading from lenny to testing.. |
| 18:58.08 | wols_ | but I dunno. maybe some "special" firmware they don't like |
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| 18:58.28 | wols_ | fggs: if all your hardware worked in lenny, use its kernel instead |
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| 18:59.10 | wols_ | ie, use a lenny kernel |
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| 18:59.23 | fggs | can't really say that, because I just installed lenny to be able to install squeeze, because I couldn't found a squeeze amd64 image |
| 18:59.30 | wols_ | hmm... might fsck up udev tho :( |
| 18:59.36 | tobago|home | wols_, last entry was r8168: link down |
| 18:59.59 | tobago|home | eth0 |
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| 19:00.06 | wols_ | tobago|home: what debian? lenny or squeeze? |
| 19:00.10 | fggs | wols_, yes.. that's what I thought... |
| 19:00.16 | tobago|home | wols_, try to install lenny |
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| 19:00.39 | wols_ | tobago|home: try a kmuto installed. could help, but could just as well be bad hardware |
| 19:01.13 | tobago|home | ?kmuto |
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| 19:01.38 | wols_ | !tell tobago|home about kmuto |
| 19:01.46 | fggs | Actually it's a bit annoying to have a computer freezing every once and awhile, but I said that to see if somebody else is having the same.. |
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| 19:02.15 | wols_ | fggs: that is a bad debugging technique. what are the chances other have the same hardware as you? |
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| 19:02.36 | wols_ | and irc does not really scale either |
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| 19:02.54 | fggs | wols_, well, what do you suggest? :( |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | fggs: there are amd64 netinst images for squeeze |
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| 19:04.00 | fggs | abrotman, I asked here on the day I installed and I was advised to install lenny amd64 then upgrade to squeeze |
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| 19:04.18 | fggs | can't really say who.. |
| 19:04.27 | fggs | = Devastator btw |
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| 19:05.08 | wols_ | fggs: do you really need squeeze? could be a kernel issue |
| 19:05.16 | wols_ | it being a hdd issue is unlikely |
| 19:05.37 | wols_ | memory is more probable. but to test that you need to run memtest 12h or more |
| 19:06.05 | fggs | wols_, perhaps I will leave it passing... it's my computer from work.. |
| 19:06.35 | fggs | squeeze is quite stable, just a few problems, at least for me |
| 19:07.01 | wols_ | "freezing" is not "quite stable". debian has a bit higher standards (or so I hope) |
| 19:07.18 | wols_ | apart from hardware or power failure, I expect debian to run forever |
| 19:07.19 | fggs | unfortunately, backports doesn't have much packages |
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| 19:07.43 | fggs | before I installed it, somebody told me to install lenny and use backports repo |
| 19:08.13 | wols_ | any special reason you must have squeeze? |
| 19:08.36 | fggs | wols_, I like to have an update environment |
| 19:08.46 | fggs | my taste I guess.. |
| 19:08.47 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 19:08.47 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 19:09.12 | fggs | Titan8990, :P |
| 19:09.27 | Titan8990 | I have always held the opinion that if you want a bleeding-edge distro, use a bleeding-edge distro |
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| 19:09.41 | Autoscum | I installed Bulgarian and Russian system locales and Amarok (and other players) still don't display Cyrillic properly. What's going on? :( |
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| 19:10.03 | wols_ | Titan8990: isn't that why sid has public repos? *g* |
| 19:10.08 | fggs | Titan8990, I'm not complaining or anything, just throwing my inputs :) |
| 19:10.17 | wols_ | not to mention experimental and all that |
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| 19:10.58 | fggs | wols_, I've used unstable a long time ago, currently I'm not as crazy as before :D |
| 19:11.18 | wols_ | unstable is fun. I need my excitement |
| 19:11.19 | fggs | testing is my limit |
| 19:11.38 | wols_ | of course I only update about once every 6 months or so. but then it'S a real adventure |
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| 19:12.06 | fggs | wols_, has been a long time since I don't use linux, but now that I was gifted with this computer on my job, why not try again? |
| 19:12.21 | Autoscum | Never mind, I fixed it. |
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| 19:13.44 | ninnypants | so I deleted a file that had a sym link and the link wasn't deleted and it's breaking stuff how can I remove it I've tried rm and unlink with no luck |
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| 19:15.01 | SPF | ninnypants: sudo rm <link> |
| 19:15.14 | ninnypants | already tried |
| 19:15.26 | SPF | ninnypants: what does file <link> say? |
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| 19:16.22 | ninnypants | no such file or directory |
| 19:16.56 | wols_ | ninnypants: create a file where the symlink points to |
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| 19:17.04 | wols_ | then delete the symlink and the file afterwards |
| 19:17.37 | fggs | wols_, thanks for your help |
| 19:17.43 | fggs | Titan8990, thanks for your info |
| 19:17.51 | wols_ | fggs: sorry I can't be more helpful |
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| 19:18.02 | fggs | abrotman, thanks for the testing images |
| 19:18.06 | fggs | no worries |
| 19:18.10 | wols_ | you might disable the wlan and unload it. that is the most likely source of the taint |
| 19:18.14 | Titan8990 | fggs, I did not provide any info, just an opinion. but anytime :) |
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| 19:18.37 | fggs | you made a good point btw |
| 19:18.43 | fggs | cya! |
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| 19:21.33 | abrotman | fgggrr |
| 19:21.49 | ninnypants | wols_: tried it but I still can't remove the link |
| 19:22.29 | kombucha | I have a sarge 3.1 machine that I am upgrading to Lenny 5.0 |
| 19:22.39 | kombucha | do I need to upgrade to Eth 4.0 first? |
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| 19:22.52 | Titan8990 | !sarge->etch |
| 19:23.10 | kombucha | Titan8990: was that supposed to be a dpkg factoid? |
| 19:23.22 | Titan8990 | kombucha, yep |
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| 19:23.30 | Titan8990 | !tell kombucha about sarge->etch |
| 19:23.37 | Titan8990 | kombucha, yes, you do |
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| 19:24.25 | kombucha | Thanks Titan, I suspected as much, but where is that factoid, dpkg? |
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| 19:24.34 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys i missconfigured my .procmailrc and alot of my email went into an single file whats an easy way to piped that back into the mail system for re-delivery? |
| 19:24.37 | kombucha | sarge? |
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| 19:25.00 | kombucha | sarge->etch? |
| 19:25.11 | kombucha | is the bot even working? |
| 19:25.13 | Titan8990 | kombucha, yes, did dpkg not pm you? |
| 19:25.18 | Titan8990 | he pmed me.... |
| 19:25.25 | kombucha | got it |
| 19:25.43 | Titan8990 | yeah, for whatever reason the commands with -> don't work directly in the channel |
| 19:26.17 | Titan8990 | ponyofdeath, isn't that standard for mbox format? |
| 19:26.32 | ponyofdeath | Titan8990: i use maildir |
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| 19:28.10 | Titan8990 | ponyofdeath, try: mail -f /path/to/mbox |
| 19:28.29 | Titan8990 | and there are interactive commands from there if it works |
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| 19:32.24 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 19:33.19 | hesco | installing alsa from source, my /dev/(dsp|midi|mixer) are all missing. |
| 19:33.40 | ponyofdeath | Titan8990: well how can automate to resend all of them? there are alot |
| 19:33.41 | hesco | what would be an appropriate mknod command to rectify that look like? |
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| 19:34.02 | hesco | Or would there be an easier way, perhaps? |
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| 19:34.41 | Titan8990 | hesco, why would you install alsa from source? |
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| 19:34.52 | Titan8990 | ponyofdeath, no idea, i would have a look at the man page |
| 19:35.15 | Titan8990 | ponyofdeath, or have an actual MUA read the mbox file and see what it can do |
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| 19:35.31 | hesco | Titan8990: always have |
| 19:35.57 | hesco | years ago the debian packages would never work, so I got in the habit |
| 19:36.12 | hesco | should I try apt-get you suppose? |
| 19:36.14 | Titan8990 | hesco, yes, pre-etch so I am told |
| 19:36.18 | keith4 | how do I "strip" binaries? |
| 19:36.22 | Titan8990 | hesco, aptitude install alsa |
| 19:36.32 | Titan8990 | keith4, what do you mean by strip? |
| 19:36.32 | ponyofdeath | Titan8990: thanks good idea il try with mutt |
| 19:36.42 | hesco | I just tried that and got this: alsa-base is already the newest version. |
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| 19:37.23 | keith4 | Titan8990: i'm tweaking a few files in a package, and rebuilding it. the binaries from the official package are "stripped", according to 'file', but mine are not |
| 19:37.27 | Titan8990 | hesco, i don't have any of those dirs that you listed, looks like that is normal |
| 19:37.28 | keith4 | which wastes a lot of space |
| 19:37.36 | wols_ | !tell hesco about alsa checklist |
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| 19:37.49 | cahoot | hesco: since alsa comes with the kernel ... |
| 19:37.50 | Ecco | Hi :-) |
| 19:38.02 | Ecco | What's the proper way of adding "non-free" packages into my debian box ? |
| 19:38.29 | Titan8990 | !non-free |
| 19:38.29 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:38.36 | cahoot | hesco: you seem to be looking for als'a oss-emulation |
| 19:38.43 | Titan8990 | !tell Ecco about non-free sources |
| 19:38.44 | Ecco | thanks :-) |
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| 19:39.01 | Ecco | !non-free sources |
| 19:39.01 | dpkg | methinks non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 19:39.06 | hesco | trying alsaplay, I get: ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' |
| 19:39.10 | hesco | etc. |
| 19:39.13 | keith4 | perhaps more importantly, when I build something with apt-get -b source <package>, why do I get debugging symbols in the binaries? |
| 19:39.18 | Ecco | thanks Titan8990 :-) |
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| 19:39.35 | cahoot | hesco: got some exotic card not supported by the default alsa? |
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| 19:40.04 | hesco | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) |
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| 19:40.34 | cahoot | hesco: did you even test if the already provided alsa did work or not? |
| 19:40.39 | hounddog | hi, i need to change the partition of my server... can i do this without reinstalling? |
| 19:41.22 | zoredache | Does anyone have some hints about how to get apt-get/dpkg to not flush stdin without updating a configuration file? |
| 19:41.26 | hesco | I had audio working (from a source install) only a week or so ago. |
| 19:41.36 | hesco | something happened and it stopped working |
| 19:41.41 | hounddog | the issue is that /home i having 450gb and var only 5gb... i need to assign 400 gb to /var as all the sites etc go there |
| 19:41.52 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.56 | cahoot | hesco: instlal a debian kernel and use its alsa |
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| 19:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | Oops, sorry. |
| 19:42.21 | hesco | I was hoping to get audio working without a reboot though |
| 19:42.46 | zoredache | hounddog: youshould be able to boot off a livecd and use gparted to resize/move things around. Please make a backup first |
| 19:43.13 | hounddog | zoredache i can boot from a rescue system |
| 19:43.19 | hounddog | yeah backup i am taking |
| 19:43.45 | hounddog | i am just scared currently lol |
| 19:44.03 | cheako | For lsb-core I need some sort of lpr. I don't have or ever plan to use a Printer. Is there a dummy lpr or print to file lpr that I should use? |
| 19:44.09 | hounddog | while installing i don't know how i missed this... |
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| 19:44.50 | zoredache | hounddog: in the future, you might want to consider using lvm combined with creating the smallest partitions possible. That way you can expand partitions as needed |
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| 19:45.16 | hounddog | zoredache that is a grat hint |
| 19:45.24 | hounddog | "great |
| 19:45.25 | hounddog | i mean |
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| 19:45.57 | cheako | hmmm, lpr is actually install-able. |
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| 19:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | hounddog: May I recommend a single partition? |
| 19:52.48 | jhutchins_lt | hounddog: I mean, besides swap. |
| 19:52.54 | hounddog | huh? |
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| 19:53.00 | hounddog | i am a bit confused currently |
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| 19:53.28 | jhutchins_lt | Rather than having several partitions for the linux system, just use one. That way, no matter where you need the space, you'll have the maximum availble amount. |
| 19:53.30 | hounddog | it is long time ago i did administration... and my guy is not reachable... |
| 19:53.46 | hounddog | this is actually a running webserver currently |
| 19:54.15 | hounddog | so i do not want to change anything that might bring it completly down |
| 19:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | hounddog: As long as you have a backup, just delete the existing partitions, create the new ones and restore the data. |
| 19:54.40 | jhutchins_lt | hounddog: That's usually a lot faster than resizing anyway. |
| 19:55.10 | jhutchins_lt | hounddog: You have to bring it down to resize anyway. |
| 19:55.14 | hounddog | yeah just trying to figure how to do it best event with the backup |
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| 19:55.53 | hounddog | http://www.pastie.org/831350 this is the current diskpace |
| 19:56.10 | zoredache | of course if you really want to avoid down time you could play games with symlinks, and moving things around. Not really a good long term solution though |
| 19:56.30 | hounddog | was just thinking about that too but it should rather be clean hmm |
| 19:56.56 | hounddog | i think i could just create another partition just for the backup actually |
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| 19:57.17 | hounddog | hmm no |
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| 19:57.33 | hounddog | i think i go for a smoke... i am totally out of my mind lol |
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| 19:59.15 | hounddog | back lol |
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| 20:06.36 | sneep | No smoking. |
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| 20:07.02 | simonrvn | front |
| 20:07.04 | fat-lobyte | I am Using debian squeeze with gnome 2.28. Does anybody know what exactly happens when I plug in an external hard drive? |
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| 20:07.45 | simonrvn | !tias |
| 20:07.45 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 20:07.48 | sneep | In case you're asking if something bad might happen, the answer is no, probably not |
| 20:07.55 | Titan8990 | there is an example of someone who should be using squeeze... |
| 20:08.51 | simonrvn | NOT |
| 20:09.56 | fat-lobyte | Yeah, I know, "a nautilus window pops open", but I mean what subsystem is calling a gnome application (gnome-mount) and what the gnome application does then to mount the hard drive. |
| 20:10.26 | simonrvn | ah, the tech details, or a summary? |
| 20:10.38 | fat-lobyte | simonrvn: a summary for a start :-) |
| 20:10.58 | simonrvn | udev -> hal -> nautilus |
| 20:11.24 | simonrvn | in-between probabl some polkit whatever if installed, blah blah |
| 20:11.29 | fat-lobyte | ok... |
| 20:11.48 | fat-lobyte | It's that I want to get it mounted as ntfs-3g as writable, but I have no idea where to start |
| 20:12.04 | fat-lobyte | it works perfectly well with a manual mount -t ntfs-3g |
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| 20:13.07 | fat-lobyte | But when hotplugging it, it only get's mounted as ntfs which lacks write support |
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| 20:14.21 | simonrvn | you could define something in fstab, but that's not very dynamic. you can edit that with gconf-editor. it's in the bowels somewhere... |
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| 20:15.51 | fat-lobyte | I love gconf-editor. Reminds me painfully of the registry of certain obsolete operating systems. |
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| 20:21.05 | rioch | I've just installed debian on a mini-itx system and when I reboot, the screen is black with a cursor line (_) in the top left corner and the screen is sort of flashing. My hard drive is quiet. |
| 20:21.19 | rioch | (so basically the installation succeeded but it wont boot) |
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| 20:22.46 | hounddog | think i solved my problem |
| 20:23.05 | Titan8990 | anyone remember the dpkgbot command for explination of manpages-dev package? |
| 20:23.06 | hounddog | instead of changing the hard disk size i am changing the apache dir |
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| 20:24.11 | simonrvn | Titan8990: listkeys foo; listvals foo |
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| 20:25.09 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, thats useful but I am still not finding it |
| 20:25.59 | simonrvn | !manpages-dev |
| 20:26.05 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:26.08 | Titan8990 | hehe, that was my first try |
| 20:26.26 | Titan8990 | !listkeys manpage |
| 20:26.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'manpage' by key (6): online manpages ;; searching manpages ;; needs real manpages ;; online-manpage ;; be manpage barbie ;; essential manpages. |
| 20:26.37 | Titan8990 | someone delete it maybe? |
| 20:26.39 | fat-lobyte | ok, that's weird: mouting the hard drive with "gnome-mount -vnbtd /dev/sdc1" also mounts it as fuseblk (seems writable, so it's fine) but when just plugging it in, it is only mounted as ntfs. Any Ideas? |
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| 20:27.49 | Devastator | fat-lobyte if I remember correct, fuseblk = ntfs |
| 20:28.01 | simonrvn | possibly |
| 20:28.04 | Devastator | fuse is just the "translator" |
| 20:28.08 | simonrvn | !unforget manpages-dev |
| 20:28.08 | dpkg | simonrvn: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 20:28.15 | simonrvn | meh |
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| 20:29.36 | SerajewelKS | is anyone aware of a free software solution for streaming music online? i'm thinking of something like lala.com, only that support ogg vorbis. i'm getting a little tired of using winscp+vlc to listen to my collection remotely. :/ |
| 20:29.37 | fat-lobyte | Devastator: when mounting with gnome-mount it is actually writable, and I dont think the "ntfs" driver can do writes |
| 20:29.54 | Titan8990 | searching for the mailing list discussion on the manpages movement to non-free via google isn't as easy as you might think... |
| 20:30.03 | mike-burns | SerajewelKS: squeezebox server. |
| 20:30.05 | SerajewelKS | i don't need it to let me organize my music, but providing a nice interface for queueing and whatnot would be ok |
| 20:30.32 | Devastator | fat-lobyte use ntfs-3g |
| 20:30.53 | nooper | Opera Unite's file sharing thingy streams music |
| 20:31.21 | SerajewelKS | mike-burns: hmm, interesting |
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| 20:31.56 | SerajewelKS | mike-burns: the server can stream to a browser? |
| 20:32.12 | fat-lobyte | Devastator: I am trying to, but automounting a hard drive that's plugged in is done with "ntfs". Any Ideas of how to change that to "ntfs-3g" ? |
| 20:32.36 | mike-burns | SerajewelKS: It streams to e.g. totem. It comes with a Web server that you can run on e.g. port 9000 to manage the playlist. |
| 20:33.07 | SerajewelKS | mike-burns: hmm, so it's basically a glorified mpd+icecast? |
| 20:33.18 | SerajewelKS | mike-burns: not that that's a bad thing... i'm considering that setup as well |
| 20:33.27 | mike-burns | Yeah. |
| 20:33.34 | SerajewelKS | vlc playing a stream while i control it over ssh. not terrible |
| 20:33.45 | Devastator | fat-lobyte use ntfs-3g on /etc/fstab |
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| 20:34.21 | Devastator | here's my line: /dev/hda3 /mnt/Drive_O ntfs-3g rw,umask=000 |
| 20:34.24 | fat-lobyte | Devastator: that's too static, I wanted to achieve the same effect with some gnome/hal/udev/DeviceKit magic |
| 20:34.33 | SerajewelKS | mike-burns: yeah if that's all it is i think i'll go with the software in debian already :) thanks for the suggestion though, it at least gave me the idea of mpd :) |
| 20:34.46 | Devastator | fat-lobyte do you have ntfs-3g installed? |
| 20:35.05 | fat-lobyte | Devastator: yes I do |
| 20:35.05 | mike-burns | SerajewelKS: Good luck. |
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| 20:35.28 | SerajewelKS | mike-burns: it'd be cool to have a flash player embedded on a page to play the stream, and an ajax interface to mpd. that would approximately duplicate lala.com. |
| 20:35.41 | Devastator | fat-lobyte perhaps you should search for "automount ntfs-3g" |
| 20:36.05 | fat-lobyte | Devastator: thank you, I will try |
| 20:36.06 | kreuter | hi #debian. is there any documentation anywhere on what to put into a debian/ directory so that debuild produces several binary packages from a single source package? |
| 20:36.12 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: you can use the /dev/disk/by-uuid or by-label |
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| 20:36.44 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: for example, i have an external 1TB drive formatted with ntfs, and i use this line in fstab: /dev/disk/by-label/Chris\x20Howie\x20External /media/external ntfs-3g ... |
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| 20:37.18 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: that will recognize the volume no matter which sdX it is this time |
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| 20:38.09 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: it's about as magic as you can get with fstab, and it's worked well for me (except when the power goes out and it forces me to chkdsk it from a doze box) |
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| 20:39.22 | fat-lobyte | SerajewelKS: that seems a good solution. Do I get in troubles with that when booting without the disk being attached? |
| 20:41.36 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: well, it obviously will not mount the volume, but it won't come to a screeching halt either |
| 20:42.00 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: and when you replug it you will have to mount it manually |
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| 20:42.33 | fat-lobyte | SerajewelKS: thanks, that serves well as a workaround |
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| 20:45.20 | SerajewelKS | fat-lobyte: np |
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| 20:57.34 | hounddog | ok... for my disk resizing... i think this should go without problems if someone can just make a suggestion maybee... i am going to take a backup of /home into /usr... then i can delete the home partition and create a 50G new home partition... then i will backup all the data from /var into /home and delete the var partition and then create a new /var partition from the unnasigned space |
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| 21:05.13 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 21:05.37 | simonrvn | hi TrueDD |
| 21:06.01 | TrueDD | Hi simonrvn |
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| 21:10.57 | dkr | I upgraded debian stable to debian testing and now have pidgin 2.6.5. I seemed to have logged in ok to my several accounts, but it's not showing anyone on buddy list at all, even with "show offline buddies" enabled. they are all indeed still listed in ~/.gaim/blist.xml and ~/.purple.xml though. any ideas? |
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| 21:11.44 | dkr | maybe having .gaim and .purple with the same files is part of the issue. heh |
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| 21:18.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does anyone else here run fluxbox as there main desktop environment? |
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| 21:19.26 | azeem | !poll |
| 21:19.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 21:19.59 | AimHere | I have X but I don't use Y |
| 21:20.18 | Titan8990 | only use Y here |
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| 21:20.40 | tabashco | i use Y to tunnel X |
| 21:21.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | I didnt ask anyone to vote on anything. I was simply looking for someone that did the same so I could get some recomendations for things to go with it. That wrong? |
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| 21:22.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ive done that many times in the past and have always gotten help. |
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| 21:22.32 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, its asking a question so that you can ask a question... sort of frowned upon across the board in IRC |
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| 21:22.56 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, #fluxbox is full of fluxbox users im sure. If you have a questions just ask... here or there |
| 21:23.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok looks like help is not available in here today Ill try back later. |
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| 21:23.18 | hanshans | LinuxGuy2009: i do |
| 21:23.25 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, how do you know if you haven't asked your question yet? |
| 21:23.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just got yelled at for asking my question. |
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| 21:24.40 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, but that question was not the real question is what I was getting at |
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| 21:24.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | hanshans: Cool thank you for responding! May I ask what desktop manager you use along with your fluxbox install? |
| 21:24.58 | Titan8990 | you were asking it prior to asking something like "have any tips for fluxbox config?" |
| 21:25.11 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, like the one you just asked for example |
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| 21:25.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Titan8990: Thanks but I have help now. |
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| 21:25.49 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, being a computer person should know about following protocol :) |
| 21:26.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Looks like someone is out trolling today, |
| 21:26.56 | hanshans | LinuxGuy2009: none |
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| 21:27.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | hanshans: Oh ok so you just boot to a TTY and start it by hand? |
| 21:27.42 | hanshans | jep |
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| 21:27.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Titan8990: All I know is that I came here for help. Its a help room. |
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| 21:27.49 | lenswipe | guys |
| 21:28.01 | lenswipe | anyone know if the apache user in debian would have permission to create something in my home dir? |
| 21:28.09 | lenswipe | like a logfile |
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| 21:28.44 | hanshans | i also used wdm some time age |
| 21:29.11 | Titan8990 | LinuxGuy2009, I was only trying to help you improve your IRC etiquette. sorry if you took offense to it |
| 21:29.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Titan8990: Oh thats ok I wasnt looking for etiquette help. Just Debian help. hehe |
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| 21:32.27 | dustybin | has squeeze had a feature freeze? |
| 21:32.32 | HSorgYves | morning; how to specify an IPv6 as "iface eth0 inet6 static"? address 2a01:608:ffff:1333:: or 2a01:608:ffff:1333::1? and does this enable the whole block? |
| 21:32.35 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: i run fluxbox in debian, can i help you? :) |
| 21:32.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so is it correct that Suggests are all installed automatically? I think thats right. |
| 21:33.04 | jhutchins | I disagree with Titan8990's take on polls. For unusual configurations and software it can be very useful to ask if there is anyone familiar with the subject, rather than waste a lot of time trying to explain somethng that nobody else knows about. |
| 21:33.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: Well yeah sure I could use someones help that runs it regularly, thanks. |
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| 21:33.57 | g0rd0n | what happens if i delete the /aquota.user file? will it be regenerated or do i loose some settings? my quotas are too high for no reasson, i want them to basically reset without loosing any limits |
| 21:33.58 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: ok how's it going? have you installed flux? |
| 21:34.05 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, if it were a situation in which someone only wanted to ask a question to people who are users of fluxbox, why not ask #fluxbox instead? |
| 21:34.31 | jhutchins | While some of us are good enough at generic troubleshoting to help fix minor problems that we've never encountered ourselves, some things take experience. |
| 21:34.42 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, IMO, as things get more unusual, IRC gets less useful and forums and mailing lists get more useful |
| 21:34.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: I'm so used to running Gnome mainly, but am impressed by the speed of fluxbox. Yes I just ran aptitude and removed and purged everything. Then installed xdm xserver-xorg and fluxbox. Im in it right now. |
| 21:35.03 | ax-ax | Titan8990: going to #fluxbox and asking for debian users instead? is that better? :s |
| 21:35.09 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Often #debian users have more knowledge and expertise in some things than the people in the topical channel do. We get some good folks. |
| 21:35.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: Im not sure what desktop manager to use with it though. |
| 21:35.29 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: do you really need a desktop manager? |
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| 21:35.37 | jhutchins | Titan8990: Agreed about the unusual being more likely to be solved on forums and lists. |
| 21:35.39 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, i agree with that, and there is often the case where upstream support wants you to upgrade prior to getting support |
| 21:35.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: slim doesnt list flux and xdm has no list at all it seems. |
| 21:36.00 | ax-ax | oh |
| 21:36.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: Do you use a desktop manager? |
| 21:36.29 | jhutchins | When asking questions in "upstream" channels I've often been told "go ask your distro, we won't help you here". |
| 21:36.41 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: you need a tiny bit of configuration, i think |
| 21:36.52 | ax-ax | let me look a bit |
| 21:37.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: ok thanks |
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| 21:37.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | ax-ax: I could install gdm but that will probably install a bunch of gnome wont it? |
| 21:37.47 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: try creating a .xinitrc in your home with "exec /usr/bin/fluxbox" in it |
| 21:37.57 | jhutchins | LinuxGuy2009: Probably. There is xdm. |
| 21:38.13 | Titan8990 | or use update-alternatives for system-wide WM change |
| 21:38.34 | jhutchins | LinuxGuy2009: However, a DM is primarily useful for multi-user and multi-desktop setups, where you need a choosing stage. |
| 21:39.17 | jhutchins | If you skip the dm, you need to log in to the console and launch your desktop from there. |
| 21:39.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh ok thats true. So XDM will be fine then. |
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| 21:41.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Feels like there a lot of control over what I put on the system cause flux starts with the minimum packages installed it seems. So I get to choose like everything it uses right? |
| 21:41.39 | oh_noes | gents any idea how to cleanly abort an upgrade in a deb package? At the moment Im throwing exit 1 in the preinst but thats causing it to finish in a halted state |
| 21:41.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Like the file manager, and all that good stuff. |
| 21:41.57 | oh_noes | I think I need to throw the exit 1 in preinst, then catch something in the postinst? Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 21:43.01 | jhutchins | LinuxGuy2009: Gnome and KDE aim to put a full working set of desktop software in front of you with minimal need to hunt down extra packages. Other desktops take the opposite approach, minimal base, you pick what to add. |
| 21:43.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Sweet I really like that I idea. Its a good base to experiement and break stuff to learn more. hehe |
| 21:44.27 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: if you want to do 'normal things', there's really a lot of packages to install |
| 21:44.40 | ax-ax | and it wont tell you which ones you need |
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| 21:45.30 | ax-ax | so it's a bit of trail and error until you get up your favorite apps, but it's rather easy in retrospective |
| 21:45.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | One really big annoyance is after I used aptitude to remove as much as I could from the system, when Im in a terminal and adding removing stuff I keep getting repeated scrolls of a message that the language is unset and LC_All is unset. How do i fix that? |
| 21:46.04 | ax-ax | there's a file somewhere that defines those things |
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| 21:46.29 | ax-ax | i think /etc/default/locale |
| 21:46.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Ill check that now. |
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| 21:47.22 | ax-ax | LinuxGuy2009: try update-locale also |
| 21:47.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
| 21:47.46 | jhutchins | That's the kind of thing you tend to forget because you do it once. |
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| 21:49.22 | ax-ax | yep |
| 21:49.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | I know when debian gets installed it asks that stuff. I know that the task selection is "tasksel" I wonder what I could install to set the locale stuff with point and click. |
| 21:49.51 | ax-ax | it's not that hard cli really |
| 21:49.57 | ax-ax | what keyboard do you use? |
| 21:50.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | US |
| 21:50.15 | jhutchins | I believe google might be of some use at this point. |
| 21:50.24 | ax-ax | and you want standard collating too, i assume? |
| 21:50.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | true Ill try google |
| 21:50.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | no idea what that is |
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| 21:50.49 | ax-ax | like, how it sorts filenames |
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| 21:51.15 | ax-ax | i'm swedish, so i want åäö last in the alphabet, and so |
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| 21:51.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yep found it! Run dpkg-reconfigure locales as root |
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| 21:51.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thanks guys |
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| 21:51.56 | ax-ax | you're welcome |
| 21:52.19 | ax-ax | you could ask again if you run into more problems |
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| 21:53.08 | ax-ax | (there is a high probability for problems when setting up flux ;) |
| 21:54.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Sweet fixed it right up. |
| 21:56.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok thanks guys im off to experiment. |
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| 21:58.55 | ePax | ehmz |
| 21:59.03 | ePax | spammers in channel? anu @ online? |
| 21:59.13 | ePax | Where can i find howto on chrooted ssh? |
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| 22:00.05 | jhutchins | ePax: Not to be unhelpful, but 2,920,000 for chrooted ssh. (0.29 seconds) |
| 22:00.16 | jhutchins | ePax: Top one looks pretty good. |
| 22:00.34 | dkr | !tell ePax about chroot ssh |
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| 22:00.53 | keith4 | what the hell. why does libaprutil1 (and thus apache2) depend on libmysqlclient15off (and thus mysql-common)? |
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| 22:01.35 | ePax | jhutchins: mmmm i kinda know |
| 22:02.14 | ePax | i used this howto http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny ... but there is one thing i dont get.. do i need to create /home/home and make link to /home ore? |
| 22:02.22 | dondelelcaro | keith4: because it provides the aprutil dbd modules |
| 22:02.49 | keith4 | ugh. why isn't that pulled out separately, like aprutil-ldap is? |
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| 22:03.07 | keith4 | wait. no it doesn't |
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| 22:03.34 | keith4 | oh, maybe it does. libaprutil1-dbd-* provide the specific backend support? |
| 22:04.07 | dondelelcaro | keith4: it does |
| 22:04.29 | dondelelcaro | keith4: in newer releases, it's all separated out |
| 22:04.50 | keith4 | well, i guess there's that at least |
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| 22:05.25 | dondelelcaro | keith4: I'm not actually sure why it wasn't separated out for lenny too |
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| 22:06.22 | keith4 | it seems odd that installing apache2 gets you mysql-common |
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| 22:07.01 | keith4 | especially since it doesn't bring in other pieces of postgres, or sqlite. even though libaprutil brings in a bunch of backend libraries |
| 22:07.23 | newsense | i got a domain name with no mailserver associated with it, can i forward that to an existing email address somehow or do i need to run a mailserver myself ? |
| 22:07.25 | keith4 | i guess someone else thought that too, obviously |
| 22:07.32 | neoice_ | anyone know why 'screen' seems to break some key combos in other apps? |
| 22:07.34 | keith4 | newsense: google "mx record" |
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| 22:07.42 | newsense | keith4: great thanks |
| 22:08.06 | dondelelcaro | keith4: that's because the mysql library needs mysql-common to function at all |
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| 22:08.43 | dondelelcaro | keith4: libpq and libsqlite don't need anything else |
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| 22:08.59 | keith4 | well, that's silly |
| 22:09.09 | keith4 | what's libmysql's problem?! |
| 22:09.32 | dondelelcaro | keith4: all mysql-common has is a few config files, like my.cnf |
| 22:10.05 | keith4 | right. k. thanks for entertaining my pointless complaining |
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| 22:13.55 | jhutchins | keith4: No prob, people keeping a sharp eye on unneeded dependencies is a good thing,. |
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| 22:20.09 | _strog | hi, i get a wierd startup message when booting concerning my wlan card |
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| 22:20.59 | GeekyLink | I seem to have broken my grub config. I'm currently on it via chroot'ing it from a liveCD. What is the correct command to have debian auto-correct grub? |
| 22:22.15 | _strog | the messge is: Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0 |
| 22:22.17 | _strog | any ideas? |
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| 22:23.41 | GeekyLink | attempting to run "update-grub" results in: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 22:32.00 | keith4 | jhutchins: okay. i'll find something else to scrutinize/complain-about tomorrow, then |
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| 22:32.24 | keith4 | GeekyLink: you need to bind-mount /dev into the chroot, then |
| 22:32.32 | keith4 | and maybe /proc, too |
| 22:32.51 | keith4 | or, install grub from the live CD instead, with --root-directory=/some/path, or whatever it is |
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| 22:33.49 | GeekyLink | how can I mount /dev in the chroot? |
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| 22:34.08 | GeekyLink | I can't seem to get it to work |
| 22:34.55 | tabashco | GeekyLink: mount -o bind /dev /path/to/your/chroot/dev |
| 22:34.56 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: mount -o bind dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
| 22:35.06 | GeekyLink | oh ok, thanks |
| 22:35.34 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=6 |
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| 22:36.20 | GeekyLink | that bind seems to have done the trick. |
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| 22:37.33 | GeekyLink | another small question: does update-grub automatically fix the menu.lst file? |
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| 22:37.58 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: depends on if you commented a section you shouldn't |
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| 22:38.31 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: if you for example, manually changed the kernel line, update-grub may do nothing, in which case you need to move menu.lst (or rm if your brave) to another location before running update-grub |
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| 22:39.05 | GeekyLink | Titan8990: ok, thanks. I'll give it a shot |
| 22:41.14 | GeekyLink | it doesn't seem to be creating a new menu.lst file, but it made a grub.cfg file. Do I rename that to menu.lst or leave it as-is? |
| 22:41.38 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: that means your using grub2 and not grub-legacy |
| 22:41.48 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: also means your not running stable |
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| 22:41.52 | GeekyLink | yes |
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| 22:42.01 | Titan8990 | GeekyLink: which is primarly what is supported here |
| 22:42.02 | GeekyLink | which is why it broke :P |
| 22:42.22 | Titan8990 | welcome to squeeze or sid.... |
| 22:42.32 | GeekyLink | so do I simply leave that file as-is? |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | menu.lst isn't grub2 |
| 22:42.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 22:42.58 | Titan8990 | no clue, i run stable... and grub-legacy on my one sid testing vm |
| 22:43.03 | abrotman | GeekyLink: installing os-prober might help |
| 22:43.21 | abrotman | GeekyLink: there was some grub-pc breakage in unstable recently |
| 22:43.39 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567637 |
| 22:44.11 | GeekyLink | I heard about that actually |
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| 22:44.30 | GeekyLink | so do I need to run anything after install os-prober? |
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| 22:47.25 | lalcorp | how do i add back/forward buttons on nautilus? |
| 22:48.03 | Titan8990 | doesn't it open each dir in a new folder? |
| 22:48.35 | lalcorp | Titan8990: no |
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| 22:49.33 | Titan8990 | err, i meant each dir in a new window |
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| 23:06.35 | bittin | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:06.45 | azeem | bittin: please turn off noisy away |
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| 23:08.47 | IceIsFun | I am getting the following XFS errors |
| 23:08.51 | IceIsFun | http://pastebin.com/d5d9dc5eb |
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| 23:10.55 | paradoxmonkey | What is the best option for virtualization of a router and a file server distro on the same box? |
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| 23:11.30 | petemc | xen works, as does kvm, which seems to be more actively developed |
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| 23:12.17 | paradoxmonkey | But don't they require special support from the cpu? |
| 23:12.26 | azeem | kvm does |
| 23:12.28 | petemc | xen does paravirt |
| 23:13.35 | paradoxmonkey | petemc: how about pci wireless cards? can pci devices be passed to a VM? |
| 23:13.47 | petemc | yes |
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| 23:15.09 | paradoxmonkey | petemc: So if PCI devices are passed to the VM there is no need to configure the nic interfaces on the host, right? |
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| 23:19.59 | dboehmer | hello |
| 23:20.58 | dboehmer | i use debian squeeze and since ~2 days ago my Xorg is crashing with 100% cpu load when watching flash movies with firefox aka iceweasel |
| 23:21.33 | dboehmer | people are used to firefox crashing because of flash but in the past it was a more random occasion |
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| 23:22.03 | dboehmer | after trying to watch 3 vids and Xorg crashed 3 times i am pretty sure there is kind of a new bug in it |
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| 23:22.16 | dboehmer | any hints how to fix that or improve the situation? |
| 23:22.47 | paradoxmonkey | dboehmer: I guess that's it's flash video? |
| 23:23.50 | dboehmer | paradoxmonkey, that is what i'm saying |
| 23:24.21 | paradoxmonkey | dboehmer: sorry, I think I'm getting tierd |
| 23:25.08 | dboehmer | paradoxmonkey, tired of flash? :) |
| 23:25.11 | paradoxmonkey | dboehmer: see if you can change the flash plug in to another one |
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| 23:26.48 | paradoxmonkey | dboehmer: From my view of the planet it's 12am at night |
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| 23:27.06 | goose | I see a " gedit.goose.1142160038 " in my /tmp, I think it's the file I was working with in gedit before my laptop locked up and I had to hard shutdown, but I can't open or move it, even as root. every time I try to cp, mv, or cat the file, I get a "No such device or address" error. ideas? |
| 23:27.15 | dboehmer | paradoxmonkey, 27 past midnight from here:) |
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| 23:28.37 | dboehmer | so either you live on another planet our "your side" is not far from mine |
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| 23:29.59 | paradoxmonkey | dboehmer: we surly seem to share the same timezone :) |
| 23:30.31 | dboehmer | paradoxmonkey, well, thanks for your advice and a good night for you |
| 23:30.56 | paradoxmonkey | dboehmer: good night to you too |
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| 23:31.38 | paradoxmonkey | Doesn't paravirtualization requirre a special kernel or something from the guest os? |
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| 23:34.21 | petemc | paradoxmonkey: yes |
| 23:35.14 | paradoxmonkey | petemc: So running something like monowall (freebsd) is out of the picture? |
| 23:35.45 | petemc | freebsd is supported as a guest |
| 23:36.16 | paradoxmonkey | petemc: but still don't one need to have a special kernel for it? |
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| 23:36.25 | petemc | you do |
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| 23:39.35 | gremlin133 | anyone know of a decent system benchmark / stress test? |
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| 23:40.16 | amphi | gremlin133: mprime in torture mode is a good stress test of cpu, fpu, & ram |
| 23:40.19 | paradoxmonkey | petemc: I guess that virtualazing a firewall distro isn't a good option unless I want to recompile the kernel etc. Back to square one. I guess I will be looking for a way to secure samba (like a freebsd jail) |
| 23:40.34 | gremlin133 | amphi, ah cool thanks |
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| 23:41.13 | petemc | paradoxmonkey: some kind people have precompiled everything you could need |
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| 23:42.26 | pinholecamera | hey folks |
| 23:42.48 | paradoxmonkey | petemc: So you think virtualizing a firewall is a good idea? And where can I find this people's work? |
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| 23:43.00 | pinholecamera | i keep getting the message " Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete." every time i run make all of a sudden. any idea why? or how i can fix it? it seems to be screwing up my compiles |
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| 23:43.36 | djustice | ello. how do i regenerate /boot/vmlinuz from dpkg? google is fruitless... |
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| 23:44.07 | petemc | paradoxmonkey: lots of people do it, i dont myself but im sure its fine. debian has domU kernels, and im sure google could find you ample information on using freebsd |
| 23:44.14 | LuboC | window = "{sb $winref:$tag/$T{sbmode $M}}"; |
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| 23:45.36 | paradoxmonkey | djustice: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-486 ? |
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| 23:47.50 | djustice | paradoxmonkey: thanks :D |
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| 23:48.20 | paradoxmonkey | djustice: you're welcome |
| 23:49.16 | Autoscum | Hey guys. All the videos I play in Totem are pixelated, even after I downloaded w32codecs. What do I need to do to improve their quality? |
| 23:50.02 | abrotman | have you tried other players? like vlc or xine or mplayer? |
| 23:50.18 | Autoscum | I'll try VLC in a second :) |
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| 23:51.45 | Autoscum | abrotman: VLC isn't even giving me video output. :/ |
| 23:54.03 | Autoscum | Trying KMPlayer now... |
| 23:55.17 | Autoscum | Nope, still the same. It's a codec error, in my opinion |
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| 23:58.10 | NotInternat | hey, with crontab, can i have a mailto line just for one entry in my cron file? |