| 00:00.24 | Archaeopteryx | the vnstat cgi thing is kind of what I'm going for, although preferably where it's not a webpage :) |
| 00:00.55 | xyan | yep, vnstat - console-based network traffic monitor |
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| 00:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "bmon"? |
| 00:01.20 | Kobaz | how would i disable consolekit from running on startup... all it does is just suck up memory |
| 00:01.28 | nevyn | Archaeopteryx: not a webpage? |
| 00:01.34 | Kobaz | like literally, sucks your memory... i had to kill it, it was using 500megs |
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| 00:02.13 | Archaeopteryx | nevyn: A few monitors I have looked at seem to output in what looks like an HTML page |
| 00:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't think that suggests something is wrong? |
| 00:02.26 | nevyn | Archaeopteryx: most do |
| 00:02.34 | Archaeopteryx | nevyn: Would prefer if it was a GTK app or something |
| 00:02.51 | nevyn | Archaeopteryx: so you want historical data in a gtk app.. I think you're sol. |
| 00:02.53 | gnusosa | Hi, one of my friends has a MacBook and he wants me to install Debian? What are the odds? Is this possible? |
| 00:03.14 | Archaeopteryx | nevyn: Damn haha....maybe I should do a little bit of learning and make my own app |
| 00:03.23 | nevyn | gnusosa: yeah very possible |
| 00:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !macbook |
| 00:03.31 | dpkg | hmm... macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook . For the Pro model, ask me about <macbookpro>. See also <laptop>. |
| 00:03.50 | nevyn | Archaeopteryx: I'd suggest you still look at ntop for the data collection phase then write a new frontend if you rellly want an app. |
| 00:03.56 | KegHead | gnusosa: there is tons of info using ubuntu |
| 00:04.32 | gnusosa | KegHead: Is this also for the 13" MacBook |
| 00:04.52 | KegHead | What chip/ |
| 00:05.10 | gnusosa | Don't know he bought it monday. |
| 00:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kobaz, uninstall it? |
| 00:05.16 | Archaeopteryx | nevyn: I will look in to ntop, thanks for the advice! |
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| 00:05.32 | KegHead | if it's an itel-it should be a go! |
| 00:05.33 | gnusosa | KegHead: So I'm guessing the most recent? |
| 00:05.49 | KegHead | see post |
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| 00:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems kdm and bluetooth stuff depends on it, though |
| 00:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kobaz, of course, you checked the bts? |
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| 00:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, it's there, but not too useful |
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| 00:12.09 | agdoku | what happens, if I extend a RAID10 later with additional disks? |
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| 00:12.21 | gnusosa | KegHead: It seems that MacBook works fine. |
| 00:12.48 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 00:12.49 | agdoku | will my FS still be intact? can I simply expand it (I know ext3 can be expanded later, if first block stays the same). |
| 00:12.51 | [Jasper] | how can I autostart a module |
| 00:12.52 | [Jasper] | on boot? |
| 00:15.00 | linuxguy | Hi, I have installed Debian Lenny and updated, I used the script from smxi.org to install the nvidia drivers, but after attempting to tweak the xorg.conf file the meaasge says it is corrupt, can this be fixed at all? |
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| 00:16.56 | [Jasper] | anyone? |
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| 00:22.08 | peterrooney | Jasper: edit /etc/modules, usually. |
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| 00:32.48 | agdoku | not much to be found about expanding raid arrays |
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| 00:35.02 | kevin01123 | Do I need to use a tools like cpufreqd/powernowd? Or do I just set the default governor to ondemand? |
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| 00:50.34 | linuxguy | Hi, I have installed Debian Lenny and updated, I used the script from smxi.org to install the nvidia drivers, but after attempting to tweak the xorg.conf file the meaasge says it is corrupt, can this be fixed at all? |
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| 00:52.04 | adb | ask in #smxi on oftc |
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| 00:54.18 | dbbolton | how do u install flash on karmic koala????? |
| 00:54.36 | linuxguy | erm ok, so I have a corrupt lenny xorg.conf file and i need help frrom another #channel, interesting |
| 00:55.12 | dbbolton | linuxguy did you try generating a new one with X -configure |
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| 00:56.14 | adb | linuxguy, you have corrupted lenny xorg.conf by using smxi .. |
| 00:56.41 | Tramp | linuxguy: apparently you installed software which is not in Debian, using a method not supported by Debian. So don't blame Debian. |
| 00:58.23 | dbbolton | the other day on the forum some jackass blamed the debian maintainers of linux-firmware-nonfree because he wasn't getting good FPS from glxgears. |
| 00:58.45 | Amarande | dbbolton, sounds like the sort of excuses people make when their team loses a baseball game :) |
| 00:58.53 | dbbolton | "[that package] needs a lot of work" |
| 00:59.14 | dbbolton | Amarande: you don't need to make excuses when paul pierce is on your team |
| 00:59.31 | dbbolton | apt is paul pierce |
| 00:59.39 | dbbolton | dpkg is rajon rondo |
| 00:59.40 | dpkg | dbbolton: wish i knew |
| 00:59.46 | linuxguy | Tramp, it is the first time I have had problems with ebian and smxi, I checked every part as it was working, like correct drivers, nodules assist etc etc being automatcally installed |
| 00:59.49 | dbbolton | you would, dpkg |
| 01:00.32 | khengis | bn++ |
| 01:00.35 | linuxguy | adb, smxi scripts work with any debian based distro apart from the ubuntus etc |
| 01:01.01 | adb | linuxguy, 01:57<h2-gw> #debian was right to point you here |
| 01:01.03 | Texou | hi |
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| 01:01.50 | freeone3000 | I just upgraded from grub 1.98 to grub 2. However, it complains "GRUB: Error 15". What did I do wrong? |
| 01:01.58 | kevin01123 | Is there any reason to use something like cpufreqd/powernowd, or would setting the CPU governor to ondemand be enough, and a daemon be redundant? |
| 01:02.07 | dbbolton | blaming debian for faults in smxi is like blaming GM for drunk drivers |
| 01:02.29 | Texou | I've just installed linux-2.6.32 backports (lenny). but now my computer doesn't beep anymore. how can I enable this again (no blacklist, pcspkr loaded)...)? thanks |
| 01:02.33 | dbbolton | freeone3000: you went wrong when you installed grub2 |
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| 01:02.52 | linuxguy | dbbolton, do i just type in X -configure as rot? |
| 01:03.05 | freeone3000 | It's in testing, which means I shouldn't hose my system by running apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 01:03.27 | dbbolton | linuxguy: yes, that will generate a file called xorg.conf.something and tell you how to test it |
| 01:03.45 | dbbolton | freeone3000: just kidding. i've had grub2 break 3 or 4 systems |
| 01:03.55 | dbbolton | freeone3000: after i reinstalled from a livecd all was fine |
| 01:04.20 | linuxguy | dbatbold, thanks |
| 01:05.09 | dbbolton | close |
| 01:05.12 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. Going for a clean install and this time making sure I select "testing" during initial setup. |
| 01:05.25 | dbbolton | freeone3000: that is unnecessary |
| 01:05.53 | dbbolton | freeone3000: a broken bootloader doesnt mean "erase the whole system" |
| 01:06.02 | linuxguy | dbatbold, it says it is locked, is it rm /temp/X0.lck ? |
| 01:06.36 | dbbolton | linuxguy: are you trying to talk to me via tab completion |
| 01:06.49 | freeone3000 | What else am I supposed to get at it with? It doesn't boot, and this fancy new shiny thing will likely have me digging through config files trying to fix this "File not found" longer than installing a new system would. |
| 01:06.54 | dbbolton | if so, it's not going too well |
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| 01:07.01 | dbbolton | freeone3000: use a debian live cd... |
| 01:07.28 | dbbolton | freeone3000: thats what i did when i had the same problem. |
| 01:08.14 | linuxguy | dbat you mean in pm? |
| 01:08.21 | dbbolton | freeone3000: boot the cd, chroot into your system, and run install-grub and then update-grub2 |
| 01:08.53 | dbbolton | linuxguy my nick is not dbat or dbatbold if you are trying to talk to me |
| 01:10.53 | dbbolton | if you are actually talking to dbatbold, then my mistake |
| 01:11.15 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. I'll try that, see how it works. Thanks. |
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| 01:11.39 | linuxguy | dbbolton, sorry, very poor quality fonts here, its ok Ive fixed the xorg file now thanks a lot |
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| 01:12.41 | dbbolton | linuxguy try terminus |
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| 01:13.37 | karme | -misc-fixed-* is still the best one |
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| 01:17.11 | dbbolton | karme well i'm pretty sure fixed is the one that was hard to read for him |
| 01:17.26 | imduffy15 | Hi, any idea why I would loose all connectivity on my debian server after 3mins 43 seconds of it being up? from what i can tell all hardware is fine |
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| 01:17.54 | dbbolton | imduffy15: shoddy ISP |
| 01:18.02 | jbangert | Hey, is there a way to (externally) change a shell variable in a running bash process ( the bash process is waiting on another, long-running process) |
| 01:18.04 | karme | dbbolton: nah - probably some anti-aliased font crap ;-) |
| 01:18.07 | imduffy15 | dbbolton, ISP is fine, its the same local connection i'm on |
| 01:18.14 | dbbolton | karme: he doesnt have x |
| 01:18.19 | karme | dbbolton: ups |
| 01:18.54 | Tramp | imduffy15: nuclear explosions in your proximity? From your description it's really hard to tell. |
| 01:18.57 | dbbolton | imduffy15: what do you mean by "lose connectivity" |
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| 01:19.21 | karme | jbangert: interesting question |
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| 01:19.32 | imduffy15 | dbatbold, can be pinged and can ping for the 3 mins 43seconds and then just completely dies, if networking is restarted it comes back up |
| 01:19.46 | imduffy15 | Tramp, no nuclear explosions for atleast 3000 miles |
| 01:19.48 | dbbolton | jbangert: why can't you store the variable in your shell's rc file |
| 01:20.09 | dbbolton | for the 4th time, my nick isn't dbatbold |
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| 01:20.28 | dbbolton | type the second "b" before hitting tab people |
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| 01:20.46 | Tramp | dbatbold: don't be so grumpy |
| 01:21.07 | dbbolton | ok, that one was actually prety funny |
| 01:21.10 | Jeeves_Moss | is there an EASY way to use 2 Debian boxes to act as a hot failover router that also does load balancing? I have a network @ work that I'd like to shut the desktop boys up with. |
| 01:21.50 | Tramp | jbangert: not to my knowledge |
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| 01:22.30 | jbangert | dbbolton: Because the shell script is already running, has been running for a week now and I'd like to have a different value in variable the next time a process runs |
| 01:22.49 | karme | jbangert: obviously it would be a ugly hack |
| 01:23.48 | jbangert | karme: Yep... do you know a way to override the number of nodes on an MPI job( i am passing in the value rigth now from said shell script) |
| 01:24.19 | Tramp | imduffy15: static IP or dhcp |
| 01:24.28 | imduffy15 | Tramp, static |
| 01:24.55 | dbbolton | jbangert: what is this script doing? |
| 01:25.05 | Tramp | imduffy15: did you change that recently or was it always static |
| 01:25.18 | imduffy15 | Tramp, no recent changes other than I rebooted the server |
| 01:25.30 | jbangert | dbbolton: It starts ~25 MPI jobs in sequence |
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| 01:25.52 | Tramp | imduffy15: hmm. and you can't ping from/to another box on the local net? |
| 01:26.02 | imduffy15 | Correct. |
| 01:26.13 | Tramp | imduffy15: wired or wireless |
| 01:26.20 | imduffy15 | Wired |
| 01:26.31 | Tramp | and you also can't ping the default-GW? |
| 01:26.41 | imduffy15 | Yeah correct |
| 01:27.09 | Tramp | hmmm. ifconfig shows the static IP on the IF and the IF is UP? |
| 01:27.14 | dbbolton | jbangert: have you tried just exporting the new variable |
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| 01:27.55 | imduffy15 | Tramp, yes ifconfig says the interface is up, ifconfig says the static ip is set, the switch notes that something is also connected |
| 01:27.56 | karme | jbangert: no, sorry |
| 01:28.13 | jbangert | dbbolton: I cannot really *try* this... the cluster in question is not networked. And it is 2:30 AM here ( so the cluster is locked) .. let me just try it please ( with another script) |
| 01:29.34 | Tramp | imduffy15: weird. ping tims out or is there an error? |
| 01:29.48 | imduffy15 | Tramp, ping times out |
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| 01:31.21 | jbangert | dbbolton: Export doesn't work. I guess it is because the shell script runs in its own, forked bash process |
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| 01:31.34 | Tramp | imduffy15: it's weird, because what you describe sounds like a driver/module/hardwared problem, but that would not be fixed by ifupdown |
| 01:31.44 | jbangert | Well thanks for the help anyways |
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| 01:32.15 | imduffy15 | Tramp, Yeah, however its not hardware, have tried alternative cables, network cards, ports back on the switch etc |
| 01:32.18 | dbbolton | what if you echo >> it to the running script file |
| 01:32.35 | jbangert | you mean like insert the change statement |
| 01:32.38 | jbangert | lets try... |
| 01:32.39 | kevin01123 | Do I have to set my cpufreq governor in rc.local? Or is this done automatically? |
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| 01:33.09 | jbangert | Nope |
| 01:35.41 | karme | jbangert: found a solution - attach with gdb to the shell and call setenv |
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| 01:36.37 | jbangert | karme: Thanks a lot !!! |
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| 01:37.05 | Tramp | imduffy15: sorry, no idea. Maybe ask ##networking |
| 01:37.15 | imduffy15 | Okay thanks Tramp |
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| 01:42.04 | octo_ | !ping |
| 01:42.05 | dpkg | Yes, octo_, you are online. |
| 01:42.09 | jbangert | karme: This actually works! Dirty UNIX hacks forever |
| 01:42.33 | octo_ | is there a way to see what the acpi output for a keypress is? and try to map it? |
| 01:42.35 | karme | jabular: nice :-) |
| 01:42.49 | karme | ups meant jbangert |
| 01:43.53 | Tramp | indeed. interesting solution. |
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| 01:48.49 | linuxguy | Is it possible to update the repositories to more newer versions in debian? |
| 01:50.10 | hayleyw | !tell linuxguy about backports |
| 01:50.25 | hayleyw | !tell linuxguy about volatile |
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| 01:51.49 | rudi_s | linuxguy: Follow hayleyw advice, but most of the time you don't need the new versions. Often the stable ones work fine. |
| 01:51.52 | rudi_s | !sns |
| 01:51.52 | kevin01123 | Should there be a default /etc/default/cpufrequtils file created? Or do I have to create my own? |
| 01:51.52 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 01:53.29 | linuxguy | rudi_s, , I was thinking that to but a lot of the internet games are not working |
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| 01:54.33 | rudi_s | linuxguy: In that case (and if you know how to handle problems) you could try squeeze or sid. |
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| 01:55.31 | hayleyw | rudi_s, hush. if he knew how to handle problems he'd know |
| 01:56.01 | rudi_s | hayleyw: True .. |
| 01:56.50 | linuxguy | hayleyw, exactly, and its not my problem is most other debian has more upto date repos os it? |
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| 01:57.31 | Tramp | linuxguy: you confuse "Debian" with "based on Debian" |
| 01:57.32 | hayleyw | what the hell is "most other debian" ? |
| 01:57.38 | rudi_s | linuxguy: Debian is all about stability - this stays in contrast to new versions (see sns above). |
| 01:58.02 | Archaeopteryx | nevyn: I have ntop running, it's giving me data. It outputs throughput in nice charts. Is there anywhere to see traffic in the same charts? |
| 01:59.20 | Archaeopteryx | nevyn: (k)bytes/s is ok but I am looking for (k/m)bytes/(s or m or more) |
| 02:00.25 | kevin01123 | Does anyone here use cpufreq at all? |
| 02:00.56 | centHOGG | !cpufreq |
| 02:00.56 | dpkg | [cpufreq] a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) for throttling processor speed to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 02:01.09 | centHOGG | oh |
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| 02:04.04 | kevin01123 | centHOGG: I'm wondering about configuration. Do I need to set the governor using /etc/default/cpufrequtils, or do I just rely on the load-cpufreq daemon in init.d? And, if I do have to set it manually, should there be a config in /etc/default already, or do I have to create on manually? |
| 02:04.50 | centHOGG | idk sorry |
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| 02:17.57 | javi0 | holas |
| 02:18.10 | centHOGG | g |
| 02:18.14 | javi0 | alguien ha usado el comando pvcreate en debian lenny? |
| 02:18.24 | centHOGG | es |
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| 02:18.35 | javi0 | es para hacer particiones LVM |
| 02:18.55 | javi0 | pero al hacer pvcreate me dice que el comando no es valido |
| 02:19.22 | chfwiggum | !es |
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| 02:25.43 | j0char | hi |
| 02:26.00 | j0char | im having trouble with my debian 5.0.4 and adding extra ram |
| 02:26.06 | j0char | 2x1GB works fine |
| 02:26.11 | j0char | 3x1GB works fine |
| 02:27.12 | j0char | 4x1gb wont boot > iommu error and wont boot properly just some hdd test / initialization screen pops out |
| 02:27.31 | j0char | can zomebody help me |
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| 02:28.04 | j0char | my kernel > 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 02:30.49 | chfwiggum | is your ram ok? |
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| 02:33.21 | j0char | yeah the sticks seem to be fine |
| 02:33.38 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 02:33.51 | j0char | its not like a ram problem.. its starts to run some sort of hdd diagnostics / tests... |
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| 02:34.14 | j0char | maybe something missing in kernel? |
| 02:34.22 | chfwiggum | no |
| 02:35.19 | j0char | im going to post the log now |
| 02:36.15 | o_ | save time must no fight |
| 02:36.36 | o_ | save time can think |
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| 02:37.54 | j0char | Aperture beyond 4GB. Ignoring < is that somehow important? |
| 02:38.11 | j0char | it shows just after grub and loading kernel image |
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| 02:41.40 | j0char | yup the rams are fine |
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| 02:42.14 | Amarande | dude, what planet do you live on? |
| 02:42.17 | Amarande | the Rams are terrible :) |
| 02:42.35 | j0char | LOL |
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| 02:45.54 | j0char | your BIOS doenst leave a aperture memory hole |
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| 02:46.47 | j0char | Please enable the IOMMU option in the bios setup |
| 02:46.47 | j0char | This costs you 64mb ram |
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| 02:47.03 | j0char | [ 39.109693] ata1.00:cmd 60/.......... |
| 02:47.27 | adb | j0char, 2.6.26-2-amd64 don't support more 3.4 GB ram , try 2.6.26-2-bigmem-amd64 |
| 02:47.35 | j0char | [ SOMENUMBER ] ata1-00: stats: {DRDY} |
| 02:47.37 | yakamo | is there a command based program i can use to backup my current package list, and backup my config files |
| 02:47.59 | j0char | im going to try that |
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| 02:49.29 | adb | j0char, and test the second RAM socket too, |
| 02:50.02 | adb | i assume that exist .. |
| 02:50.04 | j0char | i triet all the scokets yhey seem to be fine |
| 02:50.58 | adb | j0char, are you sure your hardware support 4 GB ? |
| 02:51.28 | j0char | up to 8gb |
| 02:51.59 | adb | tested 2x2 GB too? |
| 02:52.22 | j0char | i only have 4x1gb sticks |
| 02:52.29 | j0char | i dont have 2gb sticks |
| 02:52.52 | adb | you said you have one .. |
| 02:54.15 | adb | never mind , test -bigmem for now |
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| 02:56.09 | adb | j0char, ah , -amd64 don't have -bigmem |
| 02:56.45 | j0char | does this mean i need to reinstall the system with 4gb installed? |
| 02:57.07 | adb | if you can .. |
| 02:57.32 | Arrowmaster | -amd64 doesnt need a -bigmem, thats an -i386 thing only |
| 02:57.42 | j0char | i just got latest catalyst working :( |
| 02:59.03 | hayleyw | s/i386/x86 |
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| 03:00.08 | j0char | my mobo |
| 03:00.13 | j0char | Memory ? 4 DDR DIMM memory slots (supports up to 4GB memory) |
| 03:00.13 | j0char | ? Supports dual channel DDR 400/333/266/200 DIMM |
| 03:00.20 | j0char | that should work right? |
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| 03:01.08 | adb | j0char, ask in #hardware |
| 03:01.25 | j0char | invite only :( |
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| 03:01.53 | chfwiggum | no |
| 03:02.19 | adb | maybe need to register before |
| 03:02.25 | j0char | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.50 | j0char | yeah maybe only with regged nick |
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| 03:07.43 | defn | i installed arno-iptables-firewall, and then removed it, and removed the directory in /etc/, now it is complaining that it can't find the config -- i've tried dpkg-reconfigure arno-iptables-firewall and preconfigure, but both fail |
| 03:08.05 | defn | err i re-installed it after removing it |
| 03:08.17 | defn | but now it complains -- i'd like to start from scratch with this package, how do i do so? |
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| 03:12.32 | bleepbloop | when I boot up my machine, I get something to the effect of "Failed to start X server....(bla blah)....Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting." |
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| 03:13.52 | bleepbloop | would it be an okay bet to run 'Xorg -configure', or should I just try to download the newest version of X server? |
| 03:15.13 | bleepbloop | I should mention I'm a huge noob |
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| 03:16.17 | smacnay | is there any music composition/sequencing apps for linux in the Deb repository? |
| 03:17.06 | smacnay | or recommened apps - I have heard of hydrogen for drum stuff |
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| 03:19.59 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: lots of them, actually |
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| 03:20.05 | chfwiggum | there's beast |
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| 03:27.15 | j0char | http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/30/378 |
| 03:27.25 | j0char | im getting the same error with 4x1gb rams |
| 03:27.39 | j0char | i have exact the same controller card in pci slot |
| 03:27.45 | j0char | actually 2 of those |
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| 03:28.57 | bleepbloop | okay I ran 'xorg -configure' |
| 03:29.02 | bleepbloop | and then 'Xorg -config xorg.conf.new' |
| 03:29.13 | bleepbloop | and according to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/x-config.html |
| 03:29.28 | bleepbloop | "If a black and grey grid and an X mouse cursor appear, the configuration was successful." |
| 03:29.41 | bleepbloop | and I got a black and grey grid with an X mouse cursor. |
| 03:30.22 | bleepbloop | but then I typed in 'startx' and I still got 'Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting" |
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| 03:34.18 | Amarande | bleepbloop, are you running FreeBSD? this is #debian :) |
| 03:34.34 | bleepbloop | I'm running debian lenny |
| 03:34.54 | bleepbloop | and I saw that it was a freebsd site, but it's still x.org so it should work the same right? |
| 03:36.23 | paissad | i want to rebuild trac, but in the debian/rules, there's something i cannot find in any packages -> /usr/share/python/python.mk |
| 03:39.00 | bleepbloop | btw I'm not on the computer I'm having trouble with |
| 03:39.03 | bleepbloop | I'm on another |
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| 03:40.07 | Amarande | the Debian Way is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if I recall |
| 03:40.24 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.40 | adb | Amarande, your's is obsolete |
| 03:41.24 | adb | yours* even |
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| 03:42.25 | bleepbloop | I did x -configure |
| 03:42.37 | bleepbloop | did I not do it right? |
| 03:43.00 | bleepbloop | or after testing it can i just copy the xorg.conf.new file to the spot where the old one is? |
| 03:43.09 | Amarande | did you type x, or X? |
| 03:43.46 | segin | What port does SWAT run on per default? |
| 03:46.36 | bleepbloop | Amarande: I typed 'Xorg -configure' |
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| 03:49.26 | bleepbloop | according to that freeBSD site I linked, you have to configure the other devices in the xorg.conf.new file, but my keyboard and mouse work fine, so do I need to do that or were they automatically configured when I ran 'Xorg -configure'? |
| 03:50.27 | adb | !xorg |
| 03:50.27 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:56.51 | bleepbloop | okay then, if I just copy the new xorg.conf file to the old ones' spot right now, do I risk fucking up my system? |
| 03:57.19 | adb | !xorg config lenny |
| 03:57.19 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 04:03.29 | raouldlv | hey debian |
| 04:03.47 | raouldlv | does anyone know what happened to the slashdot channel on slashnet? |
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| 04:08.31 | gh0st3r | i got problems with the root filesystem, the system is a Debian 5 one and ive got an UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY and i need to run fsck manually in maintance mode... any ideas how? |
| 04:09.21 | nevyn | gh0st3r: run fsck <rootdevice> |
| 04:09.31 | nevyn | in maintainance mode. |
| 04:09.52 | nevyn | shutdown now will take you to maintainance mode |
| 04:10.18 | gh0st3r | nevyn, im in maintance mode, but whenever i run fsck /dev/hda2 it says the device is mounted |
| 04:10.27 | nevyn | oh. |
| 04:10.33 | gh0st3r | any ideas? |
| 04:10.33 | gh0st3r | haha |
| 04:10.35 | nevyn | reboot into maintance mode |
| 04:10.50 | gh0st3r | reboot and then how do i pop it into maintance mode? |
| 04:11.16 | nevyn | edit your kernel grub line and add single at the end |
| 04:11.28 | gh0st3r | cool |
| 04:11.36 | nevyn | gh0st3r: actually mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 04:11.42 | nevyn | should let you do it from where you are. |
| 04:12.32 | bleepbloop | yesssssssssssssss! |
| 04:12.39 | bleepbloop | oh man |
| 04:12.42 | bleepbloop | so pumped |
| 04:12.50 | nevyn | oh? |
| 04:12.53 | bleepbloop | fixed my issue with x from what I can tell |
| 04:12.58 | bleepbloop | (knock on wood) |
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| 04:13.15 | gh0st3r | now im getting "fsck 1.41.3 ... fsck : fsck.lvm2pv: not found, error 2 while executing fsck.lvm2pv for /dev/hda2 |
| 04:13.17 | gh0st3r | " |
| 04:13.42 | nevyn | oh that is NOT the droid you're looking for |
| 04:13.56 | gh0st3r | huh? |
| 04:13.57 | nevyn | you're attempting to fsck the partition which is a lvm pv |
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| 04:14.10 | nevyn | you want to fsck /dev/mapper/sysvg-root or some such |
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| 04:14.31 | d1b | nevyn: seriously |
| 04:14.49 | nevyn | d1b: srsly what? |
| 04:14.53 | d1b | gh0st3r: do shutdown -r -F |
| 04:15.07 | nevyn | d1b: except.. that won't help him |
| 04:15.08 | gh0st3r | kk |
| 04:15.19 | d1b | nevyn: it should |
| 04:15.25 | nevyn | d1b: if he's fscking the wrong device it won't solve his problem |
| 04:15.36 | d1b | nevyn: lunix will do it for him |
| 04:15.43 | d1b | (hopefully) |
| 04:15.52 | d1b | if it is / |
| 04:16.04 | nevyn | except / is a lvm lv |
| 04:16.12 | d1b | nevyn: yes this will be handled |
| 04:16.25 | gh0st3r | so its /dev/mapper/Main-OpSys |
| 04:16.28 | d1b | why wouldn't it be |
| 04:16.39 | nevyn | gh0st3r: that looks right |
| 04:16.48 | d1b | if that is / shutdown -F -r will force a fsck on / |
| 04:17.01 | nevyn | except it's not a repairing fsck |
| 04:17.10 | nevyn | it's only a consistancy check |
| 04:17.12 | d1b | it will be if it fails |
| 04:17.23 | d1b | if the disk is not consistant it will repair |
| 04:17.54 | d1b | or are you talking about the lvm itself? ... which would be weird. |
| 04:19.38 | gh0st3r | ooooo |
| 04:19.43 | gh0st3r | nevyn, you are a hero |
| 04:19.48 | gh0st3r | nevyn looks like its working |
| 04:19.53 | techie26 | KDE on Debian 5, with task bar set to auto-hide, the bar fails to re-appear when pointer is all the way bottom. Happens once a week, or so, requiring reboot to fix. Is this a known issue? |
| 04:20.04 | gh0st3r | nevyn, you sir are a hero |
| 04:22.06 | d1b | techie26: why would it need a reboot? |
| 04:22.11 | d1b | why wouldn't you just restart kde ... |
| 04:22.59 | techie26 | restart should work also |
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| 04:30.02 | kj4 | hello debian people |
| 04:33.36 | bleepbloop | hey |
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| 04:46.02 | bintut | waves |
| 04:46.24 | bleepbloop | hi bintut |
| 04:46.51 | bintut | what is the dpkg or apt command to list all packages installed without the descriptions? that is, only package names.. |
| 04:46.58 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 04:46.59 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 04:47.25 | bintut | bleepbloop: hello.. ;) |
| 04:48.01 | cbx | Hey, So I might need to install Lenny on some systems using CD's instead of Dvd's. Can someone let me know how many CD's are needed for a base install? |
| 04:48.15 | bintut | dondelelcaro: what is this aptitude clone? |
| 04:48.22 | bintut | let me check the manpage |
| 04:48.28 | nooper | i did my base install from 1 mini-cd |
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| 04:48.43 | dondelelcaro | bintut: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 04:49.24 | bleepbloop | I did it with one |
| 04:49.24 | bintut | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 04:49.29 | bleepbloop | and an internet connection |
| 04:51.22 | cbx | No internet connection, will have to check on that |
| 04:51.26 | bintut | basically, i want to have a script that when it is executed, it will check the installed packages as compared to what i have on my list that must be installed in the system. it's like resetting to factory default but it will not bring back to the original version.. i just want to have a system where it should only contain the packages i need |
| 04:51.35 | cbx | ok, maybe http thru proxy and really slow |
| 04:53.27 | bleepbloop | don't they have a mini install where you can only install the most basic elements of the system? |
| 04:53.54 | bleepbloop | you could do that and then figure out a way to install the other stuff you need later? |
| 04:54.49 | tabashco | bintut: check the man page of dpkg, there's a --get-selections and --set-selections option that might be what you are looking for |
| 04:55.10 | bintut | tabashco: ok. thanks. |
| 04:55.14 | dondelelcaro | bintut: presumably you just want a set of packages that are manually installed and its dependencies |
| 04:55.28 | bintut | yes |
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| 04:56.44 | dondelelcaro | bintut: just run someting like aptitude markauto '~i'; xargs aptitude unmarkauto < package_list; aptitude install; or similar |
| 04:57.21 | dondelelcaro | bintut: though honestly, I'm not sure why you're bothering |
| 04:58.18 | bintut | dondelelcaro: for automatic install when i need to have similar functionality of "resetting to factory default" |
| 04:58.32 | dondelelcaro | bintut: for what purpose? |
| 04:58.59 | bintut | xen vps |
| 04:59.49 | dondelelcaro | bintut: if you want something like that, why don't you just use a COW filesystem or similar? |
| 05:00.05 | dondelelcaro | (you can do it pretty easily using lvm snapshots) |
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| 05:03.00 | bintut_ | hhmmm |
| 05:03.05 | bintut_ | i was disconnected |
| 05:03.16 | bintut_ | i cannot use my own username |
| 05:05.17 | dondelelcaro | bintut: /msg nickserv help ghost; is your friend |
| 05:06.11 | bintut | waves |
| 05:06.15 | bintut | thanks dondelelcaro.. |
| 05:06.46 | bintut | dondelelcaro: the filesystem is already given |
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| 05:36.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 05:36.27 | dpkg | 14:47 < sobersabre> "they've told me that to connect to the internet i needed modem, now i am holding it in my hand... how do i connect?" |
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| 05:39.19 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
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| 05:40.03 | LiuChong | hello |
| 05:40.29 | LiuChong | No Speaking |
| 05:40.43 | liable | ssshh, trying to sleep |
| 05:41.12 | LiuChong | aha got words |
| 05:45.15 | simonrvn | words words words words words |
| 05:45.22 | simonrvn | blah blah blah blah blah |
| 05:45.28 | Cain | more words |
| 05:45.37 | simonrvn | foo bar baz qux quux |
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| 05:51.30 | kj4 | hello debs |
| 05:53.11 | LiuChong | ? |
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| 06:01.33 | LiuChong | where are u from? |
| 06:01.40 | LiuChong | me china |
| 06:02.36 | LiuChong | 88 |
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| 06:48.30 | kewrjk | after an offline squeeze install i have only security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates in my sources.list. i was wondering why a main mirror was not added in |
| 06:48.42 | kewrjk | or at least commented out by the installer |
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| 06:50.42 | streuner_ | kewrjk: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 06:58.58 | dondelelcaro | kewrjk: it won't be if you didn't do the mirror selection part of the install |
| 06:59.23 | kewrjk | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 07:27.00 | RickRocK | why when i try to restart htppd i receive [warn] NameVirtualHost 64.179.80.221:443 has no Virtual host |
| 07:29.54 | RickRocK | why when i try to restart htppd i receive [warn] NameVirtualHost 64.179.80.221:443 has no Virtual host |
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| 07:32.32 | tobago | what is this boot.img.gz for: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ? |
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| 07:41.21 | wols | it's a boot floppy basically |
| 07:42.02 | wols | you want the JP/FR link however (that's a netinst image) |
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| 07:51.03 | benjamin_baka | Some of my icons have stopped appearing. Instead they show an X box. How do i restore to the default icons? |
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| 08:01.43 | benjamin_baka | Any body there? |
| 08:02.14 | benjamin_baka | How do i restore my lost icon set that came shipped with lenny? |
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| 08:04.35 | tobago|home | wols, i tried a lot images like: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.28/amd64/lenny-custom-0302.iso or the full debian_dvd-1.iso or the mini.iso. |
| 08:05.22 | tobago|home | wols, all of them fail, because the installation needs to detect a working network interface. in my case it doesn't work from scratch. |
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| 08:06.16 | tobago|home | wols, my network access is pppoe. |
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| 08:09.13 | blast_hardcheese | How does one generate entropy on a headless server |
| 08:09.15 | blast_hardcheese | ?* |
| 08:09.42 | simonrvn | gooooogle eeeet |
| 08:09.54 | tobago|home | so there are two alternatives: 1.) using an installation routine without the need of network access (like the ubuntu distro does) or 2.) fixing the the network issue somehow. |
| 08:10.07 | blast_hardcheese | simonrvn: Everything I've found suggests hardware solutions |
| 08:10.20 | simonrvn | i've seen both. look harder. |
| 08:10.44 | tobago|home | in terms of the nr. 1. there seem to be no debian installation without network access. |
| 08:10.45 | blast_hardcheese | sigh. |
| 08:11.08 | tobago|home | in terms nr. 2: i have no clue. |
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| 08:13.24 | tobago|home | none? |
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| 08:14.10 | wols | tobago|home: netinst does NOT need a working network |
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| 08:14.51 | wols | blast_hardcheese: network access, diskactivity |
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| 08:16.02 | blast_hardcheese | wols: I've been going at it... so much so that I've been nc'ing urandom from another box, just to generate a steady stream |
| 08:16.11 | tobago|home | wols, it will be the 4th image i will try, after all 3 before failed. |
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| 08:16.35 | wols | tobago|home: you stating bullshit repeatedly doesn't make it true |
| 08:16.58 | tobago|home | wols, i'm downloading: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:17.05 | wols | tobago|home: yes |
| 08:18.26 | wols | it will try to use a network, but it will NOT fail when there is none available |
| 08:18.34 | wols | you can only install a debian base system then however |
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| 08:34.44 | syn-ack | man, is it nice to see big boy language on a freenode channel |
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| 08:35.27 | syn-ack | Got a strange question. is there anyplace I can go on the debian site to see just how much was sent back upstream to you guys from Ubuntu? |
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| 08:36.36 | wols | syn-ack: no |
| 08:37.04 | syn-ack | shame. would you have a rough estimate? |
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| 08:37.48 | syn-ack | I'm assuming it'd be relatively low like in the 2 % area maybe, but I'm just trying to scratch an itch so to speak |
| 08:37.54 | syn-ack | heyas MattJ |
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| 08:38.23 | MattJ | Hi |
| 08:38.30 | wols | syn-ack: you're just spouting nonsense. do you have a debian related problem? |
| 08:38.50 | syn-ack | fine, I'll shut up |
| 08:38.59 | blast_hardcheese | syn-ack: You could probably write a script that would diff patches for every package available |
| 08:39.13 | blast_hardcheese | but it would accomplish next to nothing |
| 08:39.22 | RickRocK | why when i try to restart htppd i receive [warn] NameVirtualHost 64.179.80.221:443 has no Virtual host |
| 08:39.32 | syn-ack | true. nm then. Sorry to have even asked |
| 08:40.12 | wols | RickRocK: cause soemthing in your apache2 config files is not right |
| 08:40.27 | wols | e.g you listen on 443 (https) but have no virtual host defined for it |
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| 08:40.38 | simonrvn | syn-ack: best bet would be to scan changelogs |
| 08:42.37 | blast_hardcheese | or ask ubuntu, they might keep dibs on that kind of stuff |
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| 08:43.04 | blast_hardcheese | keep dibs? Keep track? Too tired. Later. |
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| 08:45.39 | simonrvn | i imagine better than scannin changelogs |
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| 08:51.01 | collabra | what's the minimum ram requirements for debian testing? |
| 08:51.30 | wols | approx 64MB and a 23bit CPU with MMU |
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| 08:51.41 | collabra | thanx |
| 08:51.44 | wols | *32bit |
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| 08:53.08 | OpenTokix | will soon take the leap to 27bit cpus |
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| 08:54.51 | weasel00 | . |
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| 08:56.36 | weasel00 | I am having a total brainfart.... mysql installed and running but it is not listening to any nic port |
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| 08:59.27 | weasel00 | in the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf file shows only the local mysql.sock for a socket... shouldnt that file include the nic port someplace? |
| 08:59.43 | tobago|home | wols, now i make up my usb medium with that downloaded netinst.iso using unetbootin. |
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| 09:01.25 | exes | I need a type 1 mono font |
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| 09:01.39 | exes | are there any in apt? I can't locate one |
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| 09:04.30 | tobago|home | wols, now i restart the other machine by booting with that usb medium. so far so good? |
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| 09:05.32 | weasel00 | tobago: if you are doing a network usb boot for a netinstall... ya |
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| 09:06.16 | tobago|home | weasel00, i was told to use that netinst.iso for installing on a machine without network access. |
| 09:07.00 | weasel00 | tabago: ummm.... your future debian box has no network access correct? |
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| 09:07.08 | tobago|home | weasel00, correct. |
| 09:07.33 | tobago|home | weasel00, or better: it has, but i have to configure it with pppoe. |
| 09:07.50 | weasel00 | tobago: ahh... ok... |
| 09:08.16 | tobago|home | weasel00, but wols told me, i wouldn't need the access. |
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| 09:08.57 | tobago|home | let's see what happens... |
| 09:09.01 | weasel00 | tobago: the netinstall iso's are smaller because they are expecting a connection outside to download the files |
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| 09:09.51 | tobago|home | weasel00, mmmh. but that seems to be impossible, because the connection can't be detected by debian installer. |
| 09:10.51 | wols | weasel00: netinst installs a full debian without the need of any outside connection |
| 09:11.15 | weasel00 | wols: when did that start? o.0 |
| 09:12.02 | wols | weasel00: since forever. only businesscards absolutely needs an OS |
| 09:12.42 | wols | e.g at least since debian 3.0 or so, netinst doesn't need network access. it likes it for things like X or gnome and such, but a full debian base system is installed with the netinst iso alone |
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| 09:13.36 | martianixor | itchi: ping |
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| 09:13.49 | weasel00 | but that base install is a pure base minimalist install, not really what most folks are expecting the first time they go to install it ;) |
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| 09:16.10 | tobago|home | wols, i did as you told me. that installer run. but then it fails when trying to detect the cd-rom device (the machine has no cd-rom device). |
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| 09:16.43 | tobago|home | i guess the kernel was loaded though. |
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| 09:18.10 | tobago|home | wols, i could reach the bash. but how go on? |
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| 09:19.55 | tobago|home | anyway which debian installer i use it complains about missing hardware (network or/and cd-rom). |
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| 09:21.25 | wols | well, does the debian manual tell you to use unetbootin? |
| 09:21.36 | wols | last I checked, I haven't seen that in the installer manual |
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| 09:21.43 | RickRocK | what is the command load a webpage with crontab |
| 09:22.02 | wols | RickRocK: wget? curl? |
| 09:22.08 | RickRocK | curl |
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| 09:23.17 | RickRocK | wget will only download the page no / |
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| 09:23.35 | RickRocK | i want it load |
| 09:23.41 | RickRocK | not download |
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| 09:24.04 | wols | define "load" |
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| 09:24.08 | wols | load where? |
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| 09:24.23 | RickRocK | go to www.hello.com |
| 09:24.30 | RickRocK | you will load the page index.php |
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| 09:24.47 | wols | RickRocK: cron has no console to output things to |
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| 09:25.04 | wols | !wayttd RickRocK |
| 09:25.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, RickRocK? |
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| 09:28.33 | matrix_ | канал ÑÑÑÑкий? Ð¸Ð»Ñ Ñ Ð¾Ð¿ÑÑÑ Ð¼Ð¸Ð¼Ð¾? |
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| 09:29.55 | nooper | ÐÑÑоÑником английÑкого |
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| 09:31.45 | wols | !ru |
| 09:31.45 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:31.54 | nooper | канал английÑкого |
| 09:31.55 | nooper | yeah that |
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| 09:35.47 | dustybin | !en |
| 09:35.47 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
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| 09:45.17 | gothenburg | This is like what. |
| 09:45.44 | gothenburg | It is like snow outside... 0.5 metres |
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| 09:48.25 | collabra | I have an old pavilion i'm trying to make a linux box,... i'm having trouble with bad sectors,... is there an utility i can use to map them out? |
| 09:48.41 | nathan__ | hello all this is going to sound strange but i need to slow down network access for hotmail i can redirect request for hotmail to another address using bind9 but thats not what i need |
| 09:50.12 | collabra | anyone? |
| 09:50.33 | gothenburg | I think everyone sleeps |
| 09:50.41 | gothenburg | så det så |
| 09:50.43 | nathan__ | i think there is one called bad_sectors |
| 09:51.06 | nathan__ | check the fsck man pages |
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| 09:51.28 | gothenburg | good morning |
| 09:51.31 | nathan__ | and the e2fsck man pages |
| 09:51.42 | collabra | is there a standalone iso or something,... i can't even load an os. |
| 09:52.03 | gothenburg | collabra: live-cd? |
| 09:52.05 | nathan__ | ah |
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| 09:52.14 | collabra | maybe i'll try a live cd,... you read my mind |
| 09:52.29 | nathan__ | um spinrite |
| 09:52.35 | wols | nathan__: you can use QoS via iptables |
| 09:52.38 | nathan__ | if you can access the files |
| 09:52.41 | nathan__ | ah ok |
| 09:52.42 | nathan__ | thanks |
| 09:52.58 | wols | collabra: smartmon-tools. availabale on all decent linux live distros |
| 09:53.56 | wols | get a knoppix cd, and it will do. however: the hdd will get more and more bad sectors. rarely if ever worth it when there already is extended damage |
| 09:54.58 | collabra | thanks wols,... maybe i'll just swap it out |
| 09:54.59 | nathan__ | wols: could i adjust the IPtables on the DNS server and get that effect or do i need to do it on the local machines |
| 09:56.09 | wols | you need to do it on the router. the DNS server has nothing to do with anything. but I doubt hotmail can't take the speed of your network |
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| 09:56.46 | wols | nathan__: so maybe state your actual problem before you go on implementing harebrained schemes |
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| 10:02.23 | nathan__ | wols: so my actual problem is that users are using hotmail for business use and instead of dealing with complaints from particular individuals when i block it i would much rather slow it down tremendously and then just says its hotmail's fault |
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| 10:02.40 | gothenburg | hm |
| 10:02.42 | gothenburg | Hotmail :D |
| 10:03.42 | nathan__ | the router is so old and cheep it doesn't do QoS, so I'm wondering if there is a way to do it with a DNS/DHCP server |
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| 10:04.35 | wols | yes there is. the DNS server redirects all hotmail connections to an internal IP which runs a proxy |
| 10:04.42 | wols | this proxy slows down the connection |
| 10:05.04 | xingu | and breaks ssl :) |
| 10:05.23 | wols | yes it does. but since he owns the clients, he can do a custom cert there if he wants |
| 10:05.54 | wols | at which point SSL appears to be fine. users don't know different certs as long as the pretty lock icon is there |
| 10:05.59 | hile | I don't think he owns the clients for long after such measures have been implemented |
| 10:06.14 | wols | he's the admin for these uesrs. he owns the clients forever |
| 10:06.22 | nathan__ | its a family business |
| 10:06.42 | wols | nathan__: remember: technical measures don't solve social problems |
| 10:06.58 | wols | if the users in a family business can't abide by the rules, you have bigger problems than hotmail |
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| 10:07.08 | nathan__ | they aren't family btw |
| 10:07.25 | wols | they are employees. either the boss allows hotmail or he does not |
| 10:07.37 | xingu | what's really delicious is that this policy is at 90 degrees to the trend to outsource *all* middle office IT to the likes of goog/msft/amzn |
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| 10:08.17 | nathan__ | ok thanks for your help wols |
| 10:08.17 | xingu | webmail? try web office suite. |
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| 10:09.17 | wols | nathan__: I'd try to find out why they use hotmail and remove the reason for it |
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| 10:10.04 | nathan__ | they use it because they like it. I have reasons for not confronting this person which is why i'm here in the first place. I've been trying to work with them for the past year |
| 10:10.18 | nathan__ | this is not a new problem, or i wouldn't be doing this |
| 10:10.30 | wols | nathan__: as soon as your slowdown works, the users will simply use another mail provider like gmail. if you slow down that, another and so on |
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| 10:10.41 | nathan__ | no b/c they have a company account |
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| 10:10.48 | wols | and soon they will know that something is up if every mailprovider they use slows down shortly afterwards |
| 10:11.04 | nathan__ | wols |
| 10:11.09 | nathan__ | i've know this person all my life |
| 10:11.26 | wols | if they have a htomail company account, then it's sanctioned and allowed or the company wouldn't pay for it, no? |
| 10:11.28 | nathan__ | i have a understanding of how they work |
| 10:11.39 | wols | slowing down a service they pay for is not exactly a good decision |
| 10:11.44 | nathan__ | wols |
| 10:11.49 | nathan__ | its not a company account |
| 10:12.14 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.58 | nathan__ | you didn't understand and my enter key isn't broken you just can't read between the lines |
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| 10:14.01 | wols | it clearly is. I have proof of that. and this channel is to solve technical problems with debian, not to read between lines to decipher stupidity |
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| 10:15.23 | eshat | how do I get a SSL connection with freenode ? Activated it, but got an error... do I have to register my public key ? |
| 10:15.36 | gothenburg | hum? |
| 10:15.42 | nathan__ | i'm glad to know you are an expert on my life wols |
| 10:15.50 | gothenburg | eshat: http://freenode.net/ |
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| 10:17.22 | wols | eshat: you connect with a ssl capable client (irssi) to irc.freenode.net at port 7000 |
| 10:17.35 | wols | but I suggest you ask in #freenode |
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| 10:18.41 | gothenburg | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.58 | wols | no |
| 10:20.34 | gothenburg | eh |
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| 10:29.37 | k23z__ | how can I enlarge my scroll buffer ? |
| 10:29.41 | k23z__ | I want a bigger one |
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| 10:29.42 | k23z__ | and thicker |
| 10:29.45 | k23z__ | and larger |
| 10:29.56 | k23z__ | and all-around big scroll buffer for rxvt |
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| 10:36.47 | project2501a | hey guys, how do i specify in grub to not start X? |
| 10:36.50 | project2501a | just go into console + networking |
| 10:36.50 | yo_rmn | Hello, I'm installing Debian, I come from Ubuntu, I want to go sqeeze, is it okay to # apt-get dist-upgrade (first thing, before anything else? or am I killing it? |
| 10:36.54 | project2501a | good ol' init 3 |
| 10:37.18 | project2501a | X is hanging as soon as i tell it to stop |
| 10:37.28 | collabra | yo_rmn: i suggest a fresh install |
| 10:37.49 | petemc | yo_rmn: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 10:37.53 | yo_rmn | well I hav a card CD |
| 10:38.00 | dutchfish | k23z__, hint: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) | grep "CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK" |
| 10:38.08 | wols | !tell yo_rmn about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:38.10 | petemc | UUOC |
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| 10:38.19 | yo_rmn | ok thx |
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| 10:39.19 | simonrvn | !uuoc dutchfish |
| 10:39.20 | dpkg | hands dutchfish the "useless use of cat" award |
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| 10:39.45 | simonrvn | project2501a: don't work like dat |
| 10:40.46 | simonrvn | hmm, i wonder if tell works with the -> factoids? |
| 10:40.53 | simonrvn | tests |
| 10:41.01 | project2501a | simonrvn: for $STRANGE_REASON$ x is hanging the whole machine |
| 10:41.06 | simonrvn | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:41.16 | k23z__ | dutchfish: what do I have to set it to ? |
| 10:41.16 | simonrvn | hah, it does work. cool. |
| 10:41.31 | simonrvn | project2501a: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm |
| 10:41.47 | dutchfish | k23z__, http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/237440-modify-scrollback-buffer-console.html |
| 10:42.10 | simonrvn | i should make supy handle 'me', too. instead of the silly thing it does now.... |
| 10:42.47 | k23z__ | ""Just" for this recompile the kernel?" |
| 10:42.51 | k23z__ | ahahahhahahahahhahahahaha !!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:42.52 | k23z__ | no |
| 10:42.59 | k23z__ | I will not recompile my kernel |
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| 10:43.37 | dutchfish | k23z__, then you might want to delve into modifying the package screen ;) |
| 10:43.47 | k23z__ | I don't think so |
| 10:43.57 | hile | besides uuoc, this kernel variable is for text console and not for rxvt anyway ... |
| 10:44.24 | dutchfish | k23z__, depends on your needs |
| 10:44.47 | simonrvn | k23z__: there's config options in the man page. IIRC rxvt uses ~/.Xresources / ~/.Xdefaults so you just stick stuff there |
| 10:45.38 | k23z__ | I think I'll leave it as it is, I'm not going to loose 2 more hours going through manpages instead of just coding (which is what I do now) |
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| 10:47.05 | simonrvn | k23z__: urxvt -depth 32 -bg rgba:0000/0000/0000/4444 -fg "[80]pink" (i hit end and pgup a coupla times...) |
| 10:47.34 | hile | something like echo '*rxvt.saveLines: 5000' >> ~/.Xresources && xrdb --merge ~/.Xresources |
| 10:48.21 | hile | well, -merge not -- but anyway |
| 10:48.37 | simonrvn | wow, that was so hard ;) |
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| 10:48.43 | simonrvn | s,loose,lose, |
| 10:49.08 | simonrvn | loose rhymes with noose ... |
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| 10:50.03 | hile | I have not needed xresources for last 10 years so the syntax might be wrong, but something like that :) |
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| 10:53.05 | martianixor | itchi: ping |
| 10:53.13 | simonrvn | i still use it, but jufor snae defaults (for me) for xterm and such |
| 10:53.26 | simonrvn | gar, damned load average |
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| 10:54.06 | CalJohn | Erm, I can't find a package called "eclipse", what is the eclipse package called? |
| 10:54.25 | k23z__ | dick |
| 10:54.36 | azeem | k23z__: ? |
| 10:54.38 | liable | eh? |
| 10:54.43 | CalJohn | apparently it is called eclipse, so I'm the one who's confused |
| 10:54.44 | k23z__ | phillip k. dick |
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| 10:54.52 | simonrvn | riight |
| 10:54.53 | azeem | k23z__: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 10:54.59 | wols | ,versions eclipse |
| 10:55.01 | judd | eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; lenny: 3.2.2-6.1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
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| 10:55.13 | k23z__ | azeem: wat ? |
| 10:55.21 | CalJohn | i think I am using squeeze, though, wols |
| 10:55.25 | wols | CalJohn: you running squeeze? |
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| 10:55.39 | azeem | k23z__: if you don't have a question, please either keep quiet or leave |
| 10:55.41 | hile | k23z__: and remember, rxvt is old-school Xresources, so the above xrdb cmd only affects new terminals |
| 10:55.49 | liable | wtf is judd showing etch anyway? |
| 10:55.56 | CalJohn | wols: yes, I am |
| 10:56.09 | wols | CalJohn: then you know what to do |
| 10:56.20 | martianixor | lol |
| 10:56.30 | CalJohn | backport from sid, I suppose? |
| 10:56.31 | simonrvn | good question. should probably turn that off |
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| 10:56.59 | CalJohn | :/ |
| 10:57.17 | dutchfish | etch is still oldstable isnt it, prolly not for long |
| 10:57.37 | dutchfish | ? |
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| 10:57.57 | wols | it's oldstable until squeeze is released |
| 10:58.05 | wols | no matter how long this takes |
| 10:58.10 | dutchfish | wols, ok, ty |
| 10:58.26 | wols | support for oldstable will go away soon |
| 10:58.35 | yo_rmn | well I'm back, It happens... I need to install first. I keep getting failure on seltect and install apps, and in grub too |
| 10:59.13 | dutchfish | k23z__, message the bots please, not poeple |
| 10:59.45 | k23z__ | dutchfish: what are you talking about ? |
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| 11:01.38 | yo_rmn | plzzz, I can't even install lilo! |
| 11:01.45 | yo_rmn | hmm |
| 11:01.55 | yo_rmn | nothing seems to work here |
| 11:02.09 | yo_rmn | I guess I need a new DVD |
| 11:02.20 | k23z__ | hands yo_rmn a stick with honey on it |
| 11:02.25 | wols | !tell yo_rmn about errors |
| 11:02.26 | k23z__ | here , hold on to this |
| 11:03.43 | yo_rmn | error is in Spa, can't translaet properly, but here I go: |
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| 11:04.42 | wols | export LANG=C then try again |
| 11:04.48 | yo_rmn | a step of install has failed, U can retry, skip or select anohther |
| 11:04.56 | yo_rmn | but none works |
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| 11:05.25 | wols | show us the full commandline that leads to this error and the full output of the command. use a pastebing. run export LANG=C beforehand |
| 11:05.32 | Z_God | are there any debian scripts to configure exim to work with dovecot? |
| 11:05.33 | yo_rmn | it is graph |
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| 11:05.44 | Z_God | I need to use dovecot's delivery lda |
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| 11:06.20 | yo_rmn | welll I tried with grub and lilo, and spa Lanpack not working either |
| 11:06.31 | wols | yo_rmn: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:06.51 | yo_rmn | install |
| 11:07.12 | yo_rmn | only tht, I guess my card CD is F++d up |
| 11:07.50 | wols | unless you leanr to state your problem clearly, we cannot help you. we are not clairvoyant |
| 11:08.03 | yo_rmn | I hav a DVD too, number one, I'll try with this and then get help, if needed |
| 11:08.06 | yo_rmn | thx guys |
| 11:08.08 | wols | and I strongly suggest you don't use the graphical install when you have problems |
| 11:08.42 | yo_rmn | well I did'nt know I had them =D |
| 11:08.57 | yo_rmn | I'll do tht, chance disk and retry |
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| 11:13.37 | DarkSun | hi all |
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| 11:16.22 | DarkSun | ask: i've a problem with the system beep. in tty it works without problems, in a graphic mode doesn't work and i don't know the reason. yesterday, the beep, returns to play but now, the problem is back. what's happenened? |
| 11:16.39 | DarkSun | happened* |
| 11:17.15 | Zbyshek | AAre here any players? Need some detective adventure for my girlfriend, idelly inside repositories :-) |
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| 11:20.35 | DarkSun | any user that helps me? please |
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| 11:24.27 | AimHere | Zbyshek, Beneath-A-Steel-Sky is probably the shiniest adventure game in Debian at the moment |
| 11:24.36 | AimHere | Zbyshek, not a detective story really though |
| 11:24.58 | Zbyshek | AimHere: I'll let her try, thanks :-) |
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| 11:25.57 | meowbuntu_ | hi i have been a linux user for some time i started with mint now i'm on ubuntu. i'm thinking of checking out debian. |
| 11:26.00 | AimHere | If it's text-only adventurin', you could install frotz and google for 'interactive fiction' and snarf a bunch of freeware infocom files |
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| 11:26.09 | AimHere | *inform files that is |
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| 11:26.22 | meowbuntu_ | what is the best versian for a general os to try. |
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| 11:28.21 | meowbuntu_ | is anyone here atm |
| 11:28.48 | overmind | meowbuntu_: Lenny maybe? |
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| 11:29.05 | meowbuntu_ | how new is lenny |
| 11:29.15 | overmind | Is the last release |
| 11:29.46 | meowbuntu_ | would you say its a good general purpose os. |
| 11:30.08 | overmind | In my opinion, yes |
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| 11:30.47 | meowbuntu_ | wow debian is only at 5.o y does ubuntu have 9.10 |
| 11:31.30 | edeca | meowbuntu_: Good troll |
| 11:31.30 | meowbuntu_ | overmind, can grub2 mount debian iso images |
| 11:31.33 | iceroot | meowbuntu_: ubuntu is using YEAR.MONTH debian is just counting +1 |
| 11:31.47 | meowbuntu_ | o i see |
| 11:31.56 | meowbuntu_ | debian is a more stable base |
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| 11:32.21 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 11:32.22 | dpkg | methinks debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 11:32.23 | meowbuntu_ | ?? |
| 11:32.47 | meowbuntu_ | !whydebian |
| 11:32.47 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 11:33.31 | marsje | do I have to show my membership card? |
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| 11:33.37 | meowbuntu_ | no |
| 11:33.42 | edeca | marsje: No, a sample of blood will be fine |
| 11:33.57 | edeca | marsje: 1 pint per computer you run it on ;) |
| 11:34.03 | simonrvn | and the last bill from the goat sacrifice |
| 11:34.05 | meowbuntu_ | lol |
| 11:34.13 | marsje | does ubuntu count as debian? |
| 11:34.17 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:34.17 | meowbuntu_ | now now |
| 11:34.30 | marsje | ok, just 1 pint then |
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| 11:34.46 | marsje | my debian server is so versatile, I can do everything with just 1 ;-) |
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| 11:35.28 | meowbuntu_ | wow i am going to check out debian i heard its good to build your own os from. its not bloated as ubuntu |
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| 11:35.44 | simonrvn | it *is* an os ... |
| 11:35.56 | edeca | meowbuntu_: Eh stop trolling |
| 11:36.01 | meowbuntu_ | yea i wish i had a spare hdd that was not currupted |
| 11:36.12 | meowbuntu_ | i'm not |
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| 11:36.22 | meowbuntu_ | so i cant ask questions ok fine |
| 11:37.00 | brbash | why can't you ask question meowbuntu_ |
| 11:37.16 | meowbuntu_ | edeca, thinks i'm trolling |
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| 11:38.08 | brbash | it takes more than that to mute someone |
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| 11:38.49 | meowbuntu_ | brbash, so say compared to ubuntu whats debian like |
| 11:39.31 | brbash | i don't know neither of them ... I'm slackwarer but they're all linux |
| 11:39.48 | brbash | < that is what i think |
| 11:39.49 | meowbuntu_ | brbash, y are you here then |
| 11:40.00 | brbash | because i can |
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| 11:40.29 | brbash | i don't need any reason to learn all linux distros do i/ |
| 11:40.33 | brbash | i don't need any reason to learn all linux distros do i? |
| 11:41.11 | OpenTokix | brbash: Learning and throwing out flamebaits, is two very different things. And also something not really appriciated here, or anywhere on irc for that matter. |
| 11:41.12 | meowbuntu_ | brbash, are you going to try out debian |
| 11:41.46 | meowbuntu_ | debian is easy to use |
| 11:41.48 | brbash | i'm going to try every possible linux distro |
| 11:42.01 | wols | brbash: do you have a debian related question or problem? |
| 11:42.05 | meowbuntu_ | brbash, how long you been using linus |
| 11:42.21 | wols | meowbuntu_: #defocus |
| 11:42.36 | meowbuntu_ | ay |
| 11:42.56 | meowbuntu_ | i want to know how easy it is to buile my own os on debian |
| 11:43.10 | edeca | Well you just said 11:41 < meowbuntu_> debian is easy to use |
| 11:43.13 | edeca | So surely you know? |
| 11:43.16 | edeca | Or.. you're trolling! :) |
| 11:43.17 | brbash | two weeks meowbuntu_ |
| 11:43.19 | meowbuntu_ | buile = build |
| 11:43.33 | brbash | are you asking or offering assistance wols ? |
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| 11:43.37 | wols | meowbuntu_: you cannot. debian already is an OS and already built |
| 11:43.49 | wols | brbash: do you have a debian related question? |
| 11:43.54 | meowbuntu_ | edeca, if you see my first question i am thinking if trying debian |
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| 11:44.24 | wols | meowbuntu_: then do it. if you have to ask how easy it is to base a distro off debian, you cannot do it |
| 11:44.30 | brbash | brb |
| 11:44.40 | meowbuntu_ | so how easy is it to create my own os from ????? |
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| 11:45.18 | marsje | meowbuntu_: install debian and then edit /etc/issue to have your own name in it ;-) |
| 11:45.40 | daedaluz | meowbuntu_: search LFS |
| 11:45.44 | edeca | marsje: Heh, "welcome to My First Linux" |
| 11:45.45 | wols | meowbuntu_: can you program assembler? if not, you cannot create an OS |
| 11:45.59 | marsje | :) |
| 11:46.09 | meowbuntu_ | i seen tutorals on how to build your own os using debian so i thought i would ask here to clairify |
| 11:46.18 | AimHere | And how you gonna write an assembler with no assembler? |
| 11:46.25 | edeca | That's _distribution_, not OS |
| 11:46.26 | gothenburg | :D |
| 11:46.30 | wols | AimHere: you enter opcodes |
| 11:46.33 | gothenburg | GNU/Linux distribution! |
| 11:46.36 | wols | or you use a crosscompiler |
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| 11:46.54 | gothenburg | Where should I edit so /etc/motd doesn't change every reboot? |
| 11:47.06 | wols | meowbuntu_: have you a SPECIFIC question? and no, the ones you asked until now are not |
| 11:47.09 | edeca | gothenburg: You must have something that is overwriting it |
| 11:47.23 | wols | gothenburg: there is a init script that changes it in /etc/init.d/ somewhere |
| 11:47.42 | edeca | gothenburg: /etc/init.d/bootmisc |
| 11:47.58 | edeca | gothenburg: So edit /etc/motd.tail |
| 11:48.23 | meowbuntu_ | wols, you are picky |
| 11:48.25 | edeca | gothenburg: Sorry, let me be more clear. Like wols said, it is edited by /etc/init.d/bootmisc. That script includes the contents of /etc/motd.tail. So edit /etc/motd.tail |
| 11:48.51 | meowbuntu_ | if i cant ask info here about debian then whats the point of this chanel |
| 11:49.17 | wols | meowbuntu_: this channel is for people with technical problems with debian |
| 11:49.19 | gothenburg | Thanks |
| 11:49.29 | meowbuntu_ | i am asking about debian. if you dont want to convince me then i may decided to not try it |
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| 11:49.50 | gothenburg | xD |
| 11:50.04 | meowbuntu_ | :( |
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| 11:50.58 | meowbuntu_ | wols, the topic needs changing to reflect that |
| 11:51.13 | dutchfish | meowbuntu_, you are forgetting we are all volenteers |
| 11:51.25 | meowbuntu_ | this is #debian os i have come here |
| 11:51.29 | edeca | meowbuntu_: Feel free to use #debian-chat for general nonsense |
| 11:51.44 | meowbuntu_ | i have been using linux for 10 months i know how things work thanks |
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| 11:52.30 | meowbuntu_ | debian chat is not official |
| 11:52.32 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.06 | meowbuntu_ | i'll come back later maby some other ppl can help me then |
| 11:53.26 | wols | meowbuntu_: this channel is NOT for people to convince to run debian. We are very very happy if people like you do not run it. it spares us a lot of grief in the long run |
| 11:53.32 | wols | last time: do you have a debian related question? |
| 11:53.45 | meowbuntu_ | have fun helping out the ppl you like. obviously i'm not liked here |
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| 11:54.44 | meowbuntu_ | wols, ok point this chanel works totally diferent than all others i've used |
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| 11:55.39 | meowbuntu_ | imho if the topic of this chanel reflected its use then i would have known this from the start thanks |
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| 11:58.57 | k23z__ | wtf ? |
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| 12:02.08 | syrex | ×ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
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| 12:02.21 | overmind | syrex: I think it too |
| 12:03.02 | syrex | ÜÔÏ ÎÏÒÍÁÌØÎÏ ÞÔÏ Õ ÍÅÎÑ × ÄÅÂÉÁÎÅ ÐÏÑ×ÉÌÓÑ ÃÅÎÔÒ ÐÒÉÌÏÖÅÎÉÊ ubuntu? =-O ÐÒÉÞÅÍ Ó ×ÅÒÓÉÅÊ 1.1-debian É ËÏÇÄÁ ÅÇÏ ÐÙÔÁÅÛØÓÑ ÕÄÁÌÉÔØ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔ ÞÔÏ ÐÏÔÁÝÉÔ ÚÁ ÓÏÂÏÊ gnome |
| 12:03.26 | wols | !ru |
| 12:03.27 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:04.08 | k23z__ | mother russia |
| 12:04.12 | k23z__ | "for mother russia" |
| 12:04.18 | k23z__ | lol |
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| 12:05.33 | syrex | ÎÉËÔÏ ÎÅ ÚÎÁÅÔ ÞÔÏÌÉ? |
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| 12:05.38 | marsje | do bots sleep? |
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| 12:05.55 | k23z__ | syrex: "For mother russia !" |
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| 12:06.24 | k23z__ | syrex: do you still empty whole bottles of Wodka when it's freezing cold over there ? |
| 12:06.44 | syrex | ups....sorry, I thought I was in # debian-ru |
| 12:07.03 | wols | dpkg: do you ever sleep |
| 12:07.03 | dpkg | refuses to do you ever sleep |
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| 12:07.13 | wols | there is your answer marsje |
| 12:07.28 | marsje | hehe |
| 12:07.36 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 12:07.36 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 12:08.15 | edeca | dpkg: What is your favorite day? |
| 12:08.16 | dpkg | edeca: I think you lost me on that one |
| 12:08.18 | edeca | Heh |
| 12:08.25 | edeca | I was hoping for "Sunday" |
| 12:08.34 | overmind | !saturday |
| 12:08.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
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| 12:16.20 | ^shark_ | help out a nub, i have a tape backup, would like to know what must i do to remove this tape from the system before i replace it, do i have to rewind, or just put it offline and eject |
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| 12:16.51 | ^shark_ | !tape |
| 12:17.02 | ^shark_ | !mt |
| 12:17.02 | dpkg | mt is, like, Malta. Movable Type - Blogging software |
| 12:18.08 | edeca | ^shark_: How do you write to your tape? |
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| 12:18.54 | edeca | ^shark_: Generally whatever is writing to the tape (e.g. bacula) worries about how to rewind |
| 12:19.10 | edeca | ^shark_: So just offline, eject, label and put it in the fire safe :) |
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| 12:19.59 | mquin | if you're rolling your own backup solution, read the manpage for mt |
| 12:20.12 | edeca | Yes, exactly. If you are rolling your own, it gets a bit icky. |
| 12:20.24 | edeca | much prefers disk based storage for rolling your own |
| 12:20.39 | macrobat | i couldn't see there was russian text here, i lack cyrillic fonts? |
| 12:21.14 | edeca | macrobat: Probably. I didn't see it either. |
| 12:21.18 | dutchfish | macrobat, add me to the same q |
| 12:21.35 | edeca | is using PuTTY on Windows though :) |
| 12:21.59 | wols | irc is, by default, 7bit only. to see cyrillic, you need to make it understand utf or whatever the other user uses |
| 12:22.00 | dutchfish | macrobat, i was on konversation kde4 |
| 12:22.02 | edeca | irssi inside screen through an SSH connection using PuTTY on Windows. Too many variables for things to go wrong ;) |
| 12:22.53 | macrobat | just weechat inside tmux here, im not cool enough |
| 12:22.54 | hile | cyrillic has multiple encodings as well, that was likely just some charset you are not configured to show correctly |
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| 12:23.21 | macrobat | ok |
| 12:23.27 | edeca | Cyrillic is a complete pain to deal with :( |
| 12:23.55 | marsje | this is why Unicode was invented... |
| 12:23.58 | macrobat | at least it's left-to-right :) |
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| 12:24.31 | edeca | Yes, but at least with right-to-left there are characters that are _completely_ different, i.e. they don't look like "English" letters but sound different :) |
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| 12:27.32 | macrobat | so, i can't boot my new computer with an old hdd. i get pass the grub menu. it takes a while, then i get a busybox. there are no partitions in /dev/ |
| 12:27.34 | CAiRO__ | how can i find out the nice level of an existing process? |
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| 12:28.08 | edeca | CAiRO__: ps can show it with the correct switches |
| 12:28.14 | macrobat | CAiRO__: top, htop, ps |
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| 12:29.05 | frostschutz | macrobat: if your busybox supports mdev, you may have to run mdev -s before you see anything in /dev. sys and proc may have to be mounted before that too... |
| 12:29.37 | frostschutz | macrobat: if you compiled the kernel yourself maybe it lacks support for your disks and filesystems? |
| 12:29.59 | macrobat | this one is a standard debian 2.6.31 |
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| 12:31.10 | macrobat | kernel worked with the old hw. i have checked uuids and labels in fstab and menu.lst |
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| 12:31.17 | frostschutz | macrobat: does dmesg work, are the devices detected? |
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| 12:32.59 | macrobat | dmesg is about a screenful long |
| 12:33.31 | macrobat | end of dmesg and some stuff: http://codepad.org/tRhPkOyl |
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| 12:34.23 | hile | that's not dmesg output |
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| 12:35.10 | macrobat | thats the boot output |
| 12:35.19 | macrobat | output at boot |
| 12:35.24 | hile | that's just initrd debug messages, not dmesg |
| 12:36.17 | macrobat | ok. mdev isn't found. like this: "mount /proc /proc ? |
| 12:36.21 | macrobat | " |
| 12:36.52 | macrobat | i could access the partitions with a live cd |
| 12:37.07 | hile | does not remember details of debian initrd and shuts up :) |
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| 12:39.14 | macrobat | i chrooted and tried to make a new initrd with dpkg-reconfigure linux-image_blablaover9000. it failed |
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| 12:40.27 | wols | macrobat: first of, what is the error? |
| 12:40.29 | dutchfish | macrobat, did you try running depmod [your kernel version] before update-initramfs -u -k ? |
| 12:40.33 | macrobat | maybe if i chroot and install the latest kernel.... |
| 12:40.47 | macrobat | dutchfish: no |
| 12:41.04 | wols | macrobat: what are your kernel options? |
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| 12:41.18 | gongrr | hi all |
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| 12:41.49 | macrobat | wols: i dont know. it's a standard debian |
| 12:42.01 | telmich | narf, that udev bug is nasty (#566171) and still existing in 151-1 (amd64) |
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| 12:42.55 | wols | macrobat: why not? |
| 12:43.10 | gongrr | i would like to change the console resolution that show the start up but don't know how to... i googled a bit for it and i don't get it. i tried with vga=xxx in grub :( i'm lost with this. could you help me? |
| 12:43.41 | macrobat | should i post the kernel config? :) |
| 12:44.05 | wols | you should tell what linux distro it is and which version. and you should tell us the exact error message |
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| 12:44.15 | wols | and last but not least the kernel commandline options |
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| 12:45.24 | macrobat | debian sid, havent updated in a month |
| 12:45.37 | macrobat | booting grml now |
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| 12:56.13 | macrobat_ | i'm trying to boot this kernel http://debian.pastebin.com/m2b7e4aa |
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| 12:57.38 | azeem | macrobat_: and...? |
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| 12:58.40 | wols | have you checked if the UUID is the correct one? |
| 12:58.57 | macrobat_ | i have doublechecked the uuids |
| 12:59.41 | wols | tried using the old /dev/hdaX convention too? |
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| 13:00.19 | macrobat_ | i have chrooted from grml and im installing 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 13:00.35 | wols | now how does a new kernel help when the root fs is not found? |
| 13:00.35 | macrobat_ | i havent tried /dev/hdaX yet |
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| 13:01.26 | macrobat_ | i guessed the initrd is too stupid to work with the new hw and if i install a kernel i get an initrd |
| 13:02.11 | wols | a simple reconfigure of the old kernel does the same. only time a new kernel helps if it doesn#t have drivers in the old one |
| 13:02.28 | hile | wols, and he has new hardware |
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| 13:03.05 | wols | hile: grml obviously understands it |
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| 13:03.19 | jelly-home | judd: kernels --arch amd64 |
| 13:03.20 | judd | (kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 13:03.26 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 13:03.26 | macrobat_ | neither the sata and the ide hdd are found, i couldnt boot any of them |
| 13:03.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-2-686 (2.6.32-8); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
| 13:03.36 | macrobat_ | the winxp booted |
| 13:03.59 | hile | wols, yeah, it's supported but maybe the chipset drivers are just not in the initrd for some reason - hard to tell |
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| 13:04.37 | wols | macrobat: show us a dmesg output/kernel log |
| 13:05.02 | macrobat_ | that would be extremely hard. take photos? |
| 13:05.43 | wols | what chipsets do you have for sata/ide in what hardware? |
| 13:06.06 | hile | just takes you 20-30 minutes to copy it from the screen and write it down - not extremely hard, but boring :) |
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| 13:08.26 | dutchfish | macrobat_, have you checked that there are no blacklisted drivers in your module section? |
| 13:09.46 | macrobat_ | installing new kernel. What does this mean? http://debian.pastebin.com/m2144d862 |
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| 13:10.42 | wols | it means what it says. it's self explanatory |
| 13:10.48 | dutchfish | macrobat_, you havent installed form-linux or there is no firmware for that kernel release |
| 13:11.02 | dutchfish | s/form-linux/firmware-linux |
| 13:11.12 | hile | your new mobo has networking card which requires proprietary firmware, this should not prevent booting I think |
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| 13:11.30 | dutchfish | hile, yep |
| 13:11.41 | hile | (IIRC r8169 was networking only) |
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| 13:11.56 | macrobat_ | evdev and fuse in /etc/modules |
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| 13:14.14 | dutchfish | can you pastebin your lspci -nn ? |
| 13:14.54 | dutchfish | so we know at least what hardware this is |
| 13:14.58 | macrobat_ | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf http://debian.pastebin.com/m3aa43a |
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| 13:15.41 | dutchfish | macrobat_, line 9 ! |
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| 13:16.02 | HackeMate | what should I configure to get non-gnome-windows appearance of gtk? |
| 13:16.55 | macrobat_ | lspci -nn http://debian.pastebin.com/m50606f34 |
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| 13:17.02 | wols | dutchfish: how is blackilisting display drivers harmful? |
| 13:17.13 | dutchfish | wols, not display drivers |
| 13:17.57 | wols | dutchfish: so is the comment above line 9 wrong? |
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| 13:19.26 | macrobat_ | # |
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| 13:19.40 | macrobat_ | this is bad? "install pci:v*d*sv*sd*bc03sc*i* /bin/true" |
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| 13:20.51 | xyan | judd: pci-id 1002:4390 |
| 13:20.51 | judd | [1002:4390] is 'SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [IDE mode]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4390 |
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| 13:22.42 | xyan | judd: pci-id 197b:2363 |
| 13:22.45 | judd | [197b:2363] is 'JMB362/JMB363 Serial ATA Controller' from 'JMicron Technology Corp.' with kernel modules 'jmicron', 'ahci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=197b:2363 |
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| 13:23.42 | Pericius | i'm having some trouble finding sid net install to download... could someone link me, please? |
| 13:23.47 | macrobat_ | installing a kernel wouldnt biuld an initrd. depmod is run. http://debian.pastebin.com/m58c6bd7f |
| 13:23.55 | macrobat_ | Pericius: there is none |
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| 13:24.02 | xyan | update-initramfs -k <version> -t -c |
| 13:24.02 | macrobat_ | i think |
| 13:24.15 | nsadmin | macrobat_: did you build it? |
| 13:24.19 | Pericius | macrobat_: that would explain it, yes :) |
| 13:25.21 | xyan | macrobat: add ahci and jmicron to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and update-initramfs |
| 13:25.48 | macrobat_ | i have an initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 in boot |
| 13:25.51 | macrobat_ | ok xyan |
| 13:26.18 | dutchfish | macrobat_, you might be hitting this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=576b5223e2caa0f19afb8ac17455759c214370ce wich is fixe din in 2.6.32 |
| 13:26.26 | nsadmin | Pericius: so you know C, bash and a few scripting languages, you intend to read the source of any package to be installed, and you're doing this to help debian with development? |
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| 13:27.07 | Pericius | nsadmin: that was kinda the idea, on the long run, yes |
| 13:27.24 | Pericius | i need it now for other things, though |
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| 13:27.53 | nsadmin | real work? (not really recommended in sid) |
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| 13:28.34 | Pericius | if the kernel is not broken, will do fine, need it just for vim and few utils beside it |
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| 13:28.51 | nsadmin | lenny has vim |
| 13:28.51 | Pericius | it's in vbox next to my REAL dev env |
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| 13:29.31 | Pericius | i've had some trouble making it to work on vbox under 64bit win7 guest, wanted to check will it be fixed soon |
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| 13:30.08 | Pericius | bah, i'll do fine with testing, i guess |
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| 13:31.29 | jelly-home | Pericius: for any serious work, it's better if you base it on stable and a small selection of backported newer packages that you _really_ need updated |
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| 13:31.37 | jelly-home | !tell Pericius about backports |
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| 13:36.45 | dutchfish | jelly-home, that ight lead to almost a testing release depending on your work, for that i setup a dual boot machine with a stable and a testing partiton, i develop in testing and backport to stable, this works for me, but again it dpends on your needs, if you hit one of the big chunks like kde or gnome it can be hard to maintain |
| 13:37.20 | dutchfish | s/ight/might |
| 13:37.40 | wols | dutchfish: why not develop on stable and check in testing? |
| 13:37.42 | macrobat_ | i still cant generate an initrd :) http://debian.pastebin.com/m401dd43d |
| 13:37.54 | wols | first time you use a testing only api/lib, you're fscked |
| 13:38.13 | xyan | macrobat: is your /tmp 1777 ? |
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| 13:38.42 | dutchfish | wols, that sounds great, but if your doing a big project for release in a future release of debian, that might you. but sure, it would be my preference too if it can be done |
| 13:38.46 | macrobat_ | tmp is drwxrwxrwt |
| 13:39.11 | xyan | ak and if you mkdir -p /tmp/user/0 yourself and try again? |
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| 13:40.49 | WereDictionary | Is there any easy way to update the core install performed by a netinst cd without internet access to a full install? |
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| 13:42.04 | macrobat_ | thank you people. noe there is an initrd |
| 13:42.10 | wols | there is no such thing are "core install". the software from base files are in perfectly normal debs. you update them like anything else |
| 13:42.48 | wols | to update a debian which is not connected to the internet, things like apt-zip help |
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| 13:43.20 | flo|linux | hi |
| 13:43.30 | macrobat_ | is there anything i need to do before i reboot? |
| 13:43.47 | dutchfish | wols, but thank you for the api hint, i think a next project will hit that wall, so ill stick for that to stable |
| 13:43.51 | wols | macrobat_: if the new kernel is in your menu.lst, no |
| 13:43.59 | flo|linux | when i click at the "exit" button in XFCE, a menu shows up with "logout" etc. and "shutdown". however, shutdown is grayed out... |
| 13:44.11 | flo|linux | how can i make it to be clickable, and without rootpassword? |
| 13:44.23 | wols | flo|linux: in what groups is your user? |
| 13:45.14 | flo|linux | wols, how to find out? |
| 13:45.21 | dutchfish | macrobat_, only check that your grub stancas are ok |
| 13:45.24 | brbash | flo|linux: you need to add it power group |
| 13:45.33 | flo|linux | ah, ok |
| 13:45.54 | wols | flo|linux: flo|linux id |
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| 13:46.17 | dutchfish | macrobat_, normally grub-update, but you can first check them naually |
| 13:46.23 | dutchfish | manually* |
| 13:46.26 | flo|linux | 20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),111(netdev),1000(flo) |
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| 13:46.37 | flo|linux | there is no power group, brbash |
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| 13:47.12 | dutchfish | macrobat_, if everything went normal during the kernel package install, this ha sbeen handled already |
| 13:47.26 | macrobat_ | ok |
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| 13:48.08 | wols | forfolias: obviosuly there isn't. which is why you have the problem |
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| 13:49.26 | tobago | wols, i tried some with the netinst.iso. i receive this message while load installer components from iso: no kernel module found. ... difference betwenn used kernel of the installer and the kernel available in the debian archive. what's going wrong? |
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| 13:49.59 | wols | tobago: explain again, I don't get why you try to say |
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| 13:50.09 | flo|linux | adding a power group and adding my user to it didn't help |
| 13:50.36 | macrobat_ | flo|linux: log out and log in to make it take effect |
| 13:50.40 | wols | cause there already is a pwoer group |
| 13:50.51 | wols | and simply adding a user to a group needs a relogin to become active |
| 13:50.54 | flo|linux | macrobat, i even rebooted. because gdm crashed ._. |
| 13:50.58 | tobago | wols, i try to install debian with the debian netinst.iso. i follwed the instructions of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.de#usb-copy-easy. |
| 13:51.07 | flo|linux | wols, there is NO power group |
| 13:51.08 | wols | flo|linux: doesn't matter. the group already exists |
| 13:51.21 | wols | flo|linux: powerdev:x:119: |
| 13:51.32 | flo|linux | aaah... powerdev.. |
| 13:51.42 | flo|linux | you said power ;) |
| 13:51.48 | wols | no I did not |
| 13:52.10 | tobago | wols, the installer stops while loading installer components |
| 13:52.13 | wols | read carefully who says what |
| 13:52.19 | flo|linux | brbash, did ;) |
| 13:52.22 | wols | tobago: error message? |
| 13:52.34 | flo|linux | but, still, there's no powerdev group |
| 13:52.44 | wols | flo|linux: what debian? |
| 13:52.47 | flo|linux | lenny |
| 13:52.48 | nsadmin | so you need the package that creates it |
| 13:52.51 | tobago | wols, No kernel found. .... difference betwenn used kernel of the installer and the kernel available in the debian archive... |
| 13:52.57 | tobago | between |
| 13:53.22 | wols | tobago: so where di you get the boot kernel and the netinst iso? |
| 13:53.49 | wols | from the sound of it, you used different kernel versions for each |
| 13:53.50 | flo|linux | wtf... no HAL running..? |
| 13:53.55 | flo|linux | that may be the problem, right? |
| 13:54.01 | wols | flo|linux: yes |
| 13:54.50 | flo|linux | what do i want to install? |
| 13:54.59 | flo|linux | just hal? or hal-info as well? |
| 13:55.27 | tobago | wols, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso and the boot: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.28/amd64/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 13:55.44 | wols | tobago: duh! |
| 13:55.48 | wols | as I said, you mixed installers |
| 13:55.55 | flo|linux | how can i setup debian that it _immediately_ starts an X-server with XFCE, without a display manager? |
| 13:56.00 | wols | if you get the kernel from kmuto you also get the iso from him |
| 13:56.18 | flo|linux | it's a one-person-pc, so i don't need gdm. and gdm keeps crashing... |
| 13:56.33 | tobago | wols, what is the official installer for the mentioned iso? |
| 13:56.41 | wols | flo|linux: you can tell the displaymanager to immediately log you in |
| 13:56.47 | flo|linux | i did |
| 13:57.01 | flo|linux | but if i accidientally log out, it crashes |
| 13:57.01 | wols | then it already brings you to xfce4 immediately |
| 13:57.21 | wols | tobago: the iso is the installer.... |
| 13:57.26 | flo|linux | and, i don't need it... so why would i want to start something i don't need |
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| 13:57.38 | wols | tobago: if you download the boot image and the netinst, download both frm the same place. do not mix! |
| 13:57.43 | flo|linux | (btw, how do i manage the init system ;) ?) |
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| 13:58.12 | tobago | wols, can i use this one for the netinst.iso: http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz ? |
| 13:58.14 | MalgrandaKodo | Saluton Debianistoj |
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| 13:58.23 | macrobat_ | is there a difference between "sata2" and "gsata2"? |
| 13:58.30 | wols | flo|linux: then you need to write your own X startupscript. look at the displaymanager one for pointers. link your your script to /etc/rc2.d/S99xxxxx and it's done |
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| 13:58.40 | macrobat_ | hello esperantist |
| 13:58.42 | MalgrandaKodo | Is there a way to tell apt not to use IPv6? |
| 13:58.54 | wols | tobago: a boot image is no netinst iso, is it? |
| 13:59.26 | wols | tobago: READ. THINK. for a change. go to kmuto, and download both, boot.img and netinst.iso from that site |
| 13:59.57 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: does your system and your ISP support ipv6? if so, why shouldn't it? |
| 14:00.10 | MalgrandaKodo | apt-get refuses to update anything after a huge system update... because it wants to use an IPv6 address for my more-or-less-local mirror |
| 14:00.26 | wols | tobago: knowing you: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.32/amd64/lenny-custom-0116.iso http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.32/amd64/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 14:00.48 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: My ISP is a *long string of expletives* and *long string of expletives* does not support it |
| 14:01.01 | xyan | MalgrandaKodo: read the comments in /etc/gai.conf theres a precedence setting |
| 14:01.06 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: what is the error message? |
| 14:01.13 | MalgrandaKodo | among many other things they don't support |
| 14:01.19 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: it times out |
| 14:01.48 | marsje | Does anyone where I can find bitlbee version 1.2.4 for lenny? It's already in squeeze for a long time, but no backport yet.. |
| 14:01.48 | MalgrandaKodo | what is gai? |
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| 14:01.51 | wols | xyan: interesting file. never seen it before. my /etc/ is way too crufty |
| 14:02.00 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: open it and read |
| 14:02.12 | xyan | MalgrandaKodo: man gai.conf |
| 14:02.19 | xyan | get address info :) |
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| 14:04.18 | MalgrandaKodo | xyan: Sorry, but this is over my head... |
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| 14:05.09 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: look for "For sites which prefer IPv4 connections change the last line to |
| 14:05.17 | wols | and the stuff after that |
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| 14:07.46 | marsje | can someone point me to a simple instruction how to make a backport package myself (squeeze->lenny)? |
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| 14:08.59 | wols | !tell marsje about ssb |
| 14:09.14 | wols | you need to fetch squeeze sources instead of sid/unstable ones of course |
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| 14:09.58 | MalgrandaKodo | xyan: thank you! it works now! |
| 14:10.16 | marsje | thanks wols, I'll try it |
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| 14:11.20 | nsadmin | marsje and many times, the simple backport instructions work... mostly for simple packages |
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| 14:18.12 | Dario_Andres | Hi everyone. Quick question: is "adept" still maintained ? if it is, are you using the bugtracker on bugs.kde.org ? thanks in advance |
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| 14:18.51 | macrobat | adept was great |
| 14:19.31 | wols | ,versions adept |
| 14:19.33 | judd | adept -- etch: 2.1.2; squeeze: 3.0~beta7.2; sid: 3.0~beta7.2+nmu1 |
| 14:19.51 | Dario_Andres | so, it is still used |
| 14:20.07 | Dario_Andres | which bugtracker are you using for it ? |
| 14:20.24 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 14:20.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:20.49 | Dario_Andres | then... the adept product in bugs.kde.org should be closed.... |
| 14:20.57 | Dario_Andres | would you be interested in the open bug reports ? |
| 14:21.15 | macrobat | bah, i should have installed firmware files before i rebooted. i have no eth0 :) |
| 14:21.23 | wols | Dario_Andres: you should ask the developer what he/she/it uses |
| 14:22.02 | nsadmin | not necessarily... debian bts is used for all packages in debian, and problems debian finds could bet forwarded |
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| 14:22.27 | Dario_Andres | bugs on b.k.o: http://tinyurl.com/yet3s9y |
| 14:22.54 | nsadmin | that should be shown to the maint |
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| 14:23.37 | Dario_Andres | mh, according to bko, the adept assigne, is the same as in the debian tracker... mornfall |
| 14:24.12 | Dario_Andres | I'm going to mail him |
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| 14:25.58 | stony | hi |
| 14:26.20 | stony | i insalled the lastest linux-image-2.6.amd64 (2.6.32) and it segfaults on two systems - anyone heard of this? |
| 14:26.25 | stony | s/insalled/installed |
| 14:26.51 | stony | (sid) |
| 14:27.03 | Dario_Andres | done, thanks nsadmin, wols :) , see you |
| 14:27.47 | nsadmin | stony: if someone's heard of problem, this might be on the bts |
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| 14:29.16 | macrobat | could someone guide me through the maze of a debian mirror? i'm trying to manually dl firmware pkgs. looking at http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/Debian/debian/dists/sid/non-free/ |
| 14:29.28 | macrobat | stony: what does bts say? |
| 14:29.42 | stony | macrobat: i first have to figure out on what this package depends |
| 14:30.00 | xyan | macrobat: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ |
| 14:30.04 | tobago | wols, the installation worked so far. after reset the boot order of the usb medium in the bios (first has to be the internal hd). grub complains: error file not found. how to solve it? |
| 14:30.24 | aburch | macrobat: http://packages.debian.org provides links to the packages. |
| 14:30.25 | tobago | i mean i changed the boot order of the bios |
| 14:30.27 | stony | macrobat: There is no maintainer for linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 . This means that this package no longer exists (or never existed). |
| 14:30.32 | wols | macrobat: http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:30.56 | tobago | so now the internal hd is first and the primer first (usb) is the second right now. |
| 14:30.58 | wols | tobago: does the grub boot screen come up? |
| 14:31.08 | wols | and when you press enter on the kernel it's file not found? |
| 14:31.12 | tobago | grub-rescue bash |
| 14:31.35 | tobago | wols, no. grub loading; error file not found; grub-rescue bash |
| 14:31.56 | tobago | then i could use the bash |
| 14:32.10 | tobago | ls --> (hd0,5) (hd0,1) |
| 14:32.11 | wols | something is very wrong here |
| 14:32.18 | wols | for bash to run you need to have a kernel loaded |
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| 14:32.37 | wols | hd0,5 never mutates to hd0,1. never ever |
| 14:32.44 | tobago | wols, i mean it looks like a bash and i can do e.g. a ls |
| 14:32.57 | wols | an extended partition isn't just becoming a primary one unless you involve gparted |
| 14:33.07 | wols | is it the grub prompt? |
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| 14:33.14 | tobago | wols, i didn't install gparted. |
| 14:33.24 | tobago | wols, it lokks like a grub promt |
| 14:33.27 | tobago | prompt |
| 14:33.37 | tobago | grub-rescue> |
| 14:33.40 | wols | ok, grub is loaded but didn#t find your kernel |
| 14:33.52 | wols | run "help" |
| 14:33.59 | tobago | o.k. |
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| 14:34.20 | wols | tobago: is this grub2 or grub1? |
| 14:34.49 | xyan | grub2 as grub doesnt have the undocumented⢠rescue shell |
| 14:35.00 | tobago | wols, i don't know. |
| 14:35.11 | tobago | but i ges it's grub |
| 14:35.13 | tobago | guess |
| 14:35.16 | wols | tobago: http://grub.enbug.org/Manual#head-d782c3ed07197a089c4fdf66abce08744adcc0eb |
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| 14:38.41 | xyan | tobago: can you ls (hd0,1)/ ? |
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| 14:39.24 | dustybin | can debian interact with a motherboard/BIOS RAID ? |
| 14:39.42 | wols | dustybin: yes |
| 14:39.46 | dustybin | ace :D |
| 14:40.16 | dustybin | wols: surely it depends on what kind of RAID the mobo/Bios uses? |
| 14:40.19 | wols | dustybin: very much frowned upon tho :) |
| 14:40.24 | dustybin | ohh why? |
| 14:40.26 | wols | yes. dmraid does it |
| 14:40.32 | wols | cause fakeraid sucks donkeyballs |
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| 14:40.39 | dustybin | wols: i only need basic RAID1 |
| 14:40.48 | wols | use linux software raid |
| 14:41.03 | dustybin | wols: i was told exactly not to do that, BIOS RAID will be faster |
| 14:41.05 | wols | ahd boot from a non raid boot partition. all you need |
| 14:41.11 | wols | that one can be 200MB or so |
| 14:41.17 | tobago | xyan, ls (hd0,1)/ shows my primary partition (with the new debian on it) |
| 14:41.21 | wols | no it will not be faster |
| 14:41.26 | marsje | is very happy with linux software raid |
| 14:41.36 | xyan | tobago: ok so well ls (hd0,1)/boot/ |
| 14:41.45 | xyan | tobago: tell me the version string of the installed kernel |
| 14:41.47 | wols | dustybin: bios raid is a software raid with vendor specific drivers, that's all |
| 14:41.53 | dustybin | eeeeeek |
| 14:42.05 | dustybin | mdadm it is then |
| 14:42.06 | wols | !fakeraid |
| 14:42.06 | dpkg | [fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). See <sata faq>. |
| 14:42.20 | iceroot | dustybin: only real raid (Hardware-raid) is faster but i dont guess you have hardware-raid, just fakeraid, which is nothing else then software-raid (doing by the motherboard) |
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| 14:42.34 | marsje | dustybin: you will be completely dependant on your bios software and mobo. if you mobo breaks and you need to replace it, who says you can still access your disk? |
| 14:42.43 | wols | if you have hardware raid, you know. the price you paid for it will tell you you have it :) |
| 14:42.55 | dustybin | how about i buy a adaptec dual channel card for RAID 1 instead? |
| 14:43.10 | dustybin | marsje: good point |
| 14:43.11 | iceroot | dustybin: if you are only running linux, software-raid is good, if you have dual-boot with windows and want there raid too, fake-raid is good |
| 14:43.31 | dustybin | ok! |
| 14:43.31 | tobago | xyan, vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 14:43.39 | dustybin | i will be running linux only on host |
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| 14:44.08 | xyan | tobago: what is your root parition sda1 or hda1? |
| 14:44.27 | nsadmin | and perhaps for both of those situations, real hardware raid is good |
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| 14:45.06 | iceroot | nsadmin: of course |
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| 14:45.45 | marsje | allthough I'm not extremely smart, I never mananaged to f**k up linux software raid |
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| 14:46.00 | marsje | and I had failing harddisks too |
| 14:46.04 | nsadmin | as far as the mobo thing is concerned, to do hw raid you would have to get a card like 3ware or something |
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| 14:47.33 | dustybin | nsadmin: adaptec make cheap RAID cards, that is HW RAID? |
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| 14:47.52 | michlemken | Hen i build c++ in monodevelop the errors are listed in reverser order - and worse - the list is incomplete - the first are missing - any help ??? |
| 14:48.16 | michlemken | ... Hen means when |
| 14:48.22 | nsadmin | dunno |
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| 14:48.32 | nsadmin | maybe it's the same as mobo fakeraid |
| 14:49.25 | tobago | xyan, my debian partition is should be sda1 |
| 14:49.48 | tobago | xyan, but it's no in /dev/ |
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| 14:50.28 | hile | cheap raid cards are not usually really worth it in linux |
| 14:50.31 | marsje | dustybin: is speed such a concern? not sure if it's worth the money |
| 14:50.36 | xyan | tobago: ok enter these lines (line by line w/o the ") "set root=(hd0,1)" "linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-trunk-686 root=/dev/sda1 ro" "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-trunk-686" |
| 14:51.05 | xyan | tobago: yeah sure these are not in /dev since dev gets populated by udev and thats run at a later stage in the boot process |
| 14:51.30 | dustybin | marsje: speed is a concern because i will be running a Host and VMs off the disk |
| 14:51.47 | dustybin | marsje: http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sata/entry/AAR-1220SA/ |
| 14:52.00 | dustybin | i wonder if that card would run faster than linux software raid |
| 14:52.02 | macrobat | i can't find firmware for my ethernet. ifconfig just shows lo. when i tried to install 2.6.32-trunk... I got a msg about r8169: rtl8168d-2.fw, rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 14:52.33 | xyan | macrobat: whats your hardware? |
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| 14:52.48 | hile | dustybin: so, get SSD for the IOPs :) |
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| 14:53.01 | dustybin | hile: grow up |
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| 14:53.35 | marsje | dustybin: I have no idea how software and hardware raid compare to each other in terms of speed... maybe someone ever did a test? |
| 14:54.02 | dustybin | google is my friend :D |
| 14:54.36 | hile | I was serious about SSDs if you need IOPS |
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| 14:55.02 | dustybin | hile: :D |
| 14:55.06 | hile | of course wear and such issues might prevent using them, but a cheap raid is not going to get even close to those |
| 14:55.17 | dustybin | are SSD SATA? |
| 14:55.23 | hile | mostly |
| 14:55.26 | dustybin | ok |
| 14:55.49 | dustybin | the cost a fortune |
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| 14:56.00 | hile | I don't think oyu want to get an iodrive, which is pci-e (and costs a couple thousands :) |
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| 14:56.04 | macrobat | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 14:56.05 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 14:56.33 | hile | dustybin, sure, they are not cheap but RAID is not free either, even cheap |
| 14:56.37 | Pericius | is it ok for update-grub to take ages (it's been 10+ minutes now), vbox, grub2.... ? |
| 14:56.52 | xyan | macrobat: lspci tells what revision? |
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| 14:57.06 | xyan | macrobat: i have [10ec:8168] (rev 01) works fine without any firmware |
| 14:57.11 | macrobat | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02) |
| 14:57.21 | project2501a | um, i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze and i'm getting rapped with dependencies |
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| 14:57.30 | project2501a | udev 150 is refusing to install |
| 14:57.51 | xyan | macrobat: is r8169 module loaded at all? |
| 14:58.09 | project2501a | it wants a kernel upgrade, which i did, but 2.6.30 doesn't want to boot..... |
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| 14:58.49 | macrobat | xyan: it's loaded |
| 14:59.24 | xyan | macrobat: well yeah guess you have to hunt for the firmware using google http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561309 |
| 14:59.38 | macrobat | fun |
| 14:59.47 | tobago | xyan, the first command was successful. the command linux is unknown |
| 15:00.03 | hile | I remember the times when network cards did not require any silly firmwares... |
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| 15:00.25 | Jozan | what happened to #offtopic ? |
| 15:00.44 | xyan | tobago: insmod /boot/grub/normal.mod |
| 15:00.56 | dutchfish | macrobat, i am not sure but have you checked firmware-nonfree ? |
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| 15:01.10 | xyan | tobago: and after that you should end up on the grub> shell, then you can retry the second and third command |
| 15:01.41 | macrobat | firmware-nonfree didnt say anything about realtek, should i install it anyway? |
| 15:01.58 | xyan | macrobat: your firmware isnt included there, read the bugreport |
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| 15:02.27 | numen | hi |
| 15:02.30 | numen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.46 | numen | it shows me still mailserver.vserver-on.de where is the problem? |
| 15:03.11 | tobago | xyan, i tried insmod before, i tried again and got a "error file not found" again. |
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| 15:03.16 | etd | morning |
| 15:03.32 | nsadmin | numen why is that a problem |
| 15:03.48 | etd | does anyone know how to increase the inode count of a non-root partition? |
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| 15:04.11 | xyan | tobago: run set root=(hd0,1) again after the insmod? you end up with grub> at least? |
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| 15:04.31 | xyan | tobago: if you can ls /boot/vmlinuz⦠you should be able to use the linux command as well |
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| 15:05.41 | xyan | numen: used hostname <newhostname> ; edited /etc/hostsname and ran /etc/init.d/hostname.sh stop && /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start ? |
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| 15:05.54 | xyan | /etc/hostname of course |
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| 15:06.58 | tobago | xyan, i run the insmod (because a tutorial advised to do so). it failed. then you gave me these 3 lines. the first succeed and linux ... returned the error. then i did the insmod again and it failed again. now i shall run the first command (set root=(hd0,1)) again? |
| 15:07.34 | xyan | tobago: if the insmod failed and you cant enter the normal grub shell then this wont be helpful at all |
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| 15:07.54 | xyan | tobago: i suggest you get a live cd and fix your grub installation from there |
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| 15:09.08 | wols | xyan: he has no CD drive |
| 15:09.39 | numen | xyan does not help |
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| 15:09.56 | numen | mailserver.vserver-on.de |
| 15:10.00 | xyan | numen: logged out and logged in again? |
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| 15:10.07 | numen | restartet yes |
| 15:10.12 | wols | numen: whre does it show this? |
| 15:10.18 | project2501a | are there netinstall images for squeeze? |
| 15:10.22 | xyan | numen: restartet what? and what says cat /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
| 15:10.22 | numen | with hostname -fqdn |
| 15:10.26 | wols | project2501a: yes |
| 15:10.41 | numen | mailserver |
| 15:10.46 | project2501a | cool, will google |
| 15:10.49 | wols | that is no answer. WHERE? |
| 15:13.04 | project2501a | hey guys, your answer is easy: he hasn't set the domain var in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:14.09 | numen | http://pastebin.com/f6af435cd |
| 15:14.15 | numen | this is my /etc/hosts |
| 15:14.19 | numen | is this correct? |
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| 15:14.37 | xyan | numen: ja |
| 15:15.06 | hile | only that file has nothing to do with system hostname :) |
| 15:15.16 | numen | xyan why is this host wrong? |
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| 15:15.39 | wols | it's interesting how numen avoids answering questions |
| 15:16.11 | hile | project2501a: resolv.conf variable has nothing to with system hostname either |
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| 15:17.13 | numen | sry not seen |
| 15:18.17 | xyan | numen: well a fqdn looks like "machine.bratschi-reinach.ch" the hosts entry like "84.38.65.147 machine.bratschi-reinach.ch machine", then "hostname machine.bratschi-reinach.ch" && echo machine > /etc/hostname && /etc/init.d/hostname.sh stop && /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start |
| 15:18.45 | xyan | numen: then you will get "hostname -> machine" "hostname -f -> machine.bratschi-reinach.ch" |
| 15:20.56 | numen | xyan with the hostname machine.bratschi-reinach.ch" && echo machine > /etc/hostname && /etc/init.d/hostname.sh stop && /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start something seems to be wrong |
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| 15:21.11 | hile | and one trivial little thing, the computer name you see in the shell does NOT change on the fly when hostname is changed :) |
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| 15:21.19 | xyan | numen: remove the " |
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| 15:22.07 | hile | I mean, the hostname seen in shell prompts: new shells will get new name but not existin |
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| 15:23.18 | cahoot | hile: tried source .bashrc in them? |
| 15:23.20 | medicine | hi |
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| 15:23.39 | hile | cahoot, just stating the obvious, I have no problem with it :) |
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| 15:24.42 | hile | cahoot, and it does not change anyway, bash does not update \h variable used in PS1 after process is started |
| 15:25.13 | agdoku | mdadm: largest drive (/dev/sdc3) exceed size (2048192K) by more than 1% |
| 15:25.18 | agdoku | what does that mean? |
| 15:25.31 | agdoku | what limit is that? |
| 15:25.43 | xyan | that more than 1% of this drive wont be usable in your raid |
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| 15:25.56 | agdoku | xyan: why? |
| 15:25.59 | numen | xyan but shuld there not be mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch mailserver? |
| 15:26.02 | xyan | all the raid devices need to be euqally sized ? |
| 15:26.10 | agdoku | they are! |
| 15:26.18 | xyan | numen: i just used machine as an example, do whatever you want |
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| 15:26.41 | numen | the output is hostname --fqdn |
| 15:26.41 | numen | mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch |
| 15:26.41 | xyan | numen: but change /etc/hosts /etc/hostname and run hostname <fqdn> and stop start the initscript |
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| 15:27.11 | numen | xyan hmm |
| 15:27.24 | numen | i think it should be mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch mailserver? |
| 15:27.32 | agdoku | I found the problem. On two disks the partition numbering is in the wrong order - 4 comes before 3 |
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| 15:27.37 | agdoku | how can I change that? |
| 15:27.43 | agdoku | can I? |
| 15:27.46 | numen | how do i have to change this? |
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| 15:28.11 | xyan | numen: s/machine/mailserver/ |
| 15:28.16 | hile | numen, no you are not supposed to get both long and shortname when you run this command |
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| 15:28.34 | numen | hmmm |
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| 15:28.45 | hile | they are just alternatives... |
| 15:29.03 | numen | Wrong: |
| 15:29.03 | numen | 20.30.40.50 mailserver42 mailserver42.example.com |
| 15:29.03 | numen | Right: |
| 15:29.03 | numen | 20.30.40.50 mailserver42.example.com mailserver42 |
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| 15:29.14 | numen | hmmm |
| 15:29.58 | numen | xyan nachricht noch ganz angekommen? |
| 15:30.11 | hile | why would you expect to get both long and short name with one command... |
| 15:30.25 | xyan | numen: the wrong and right example yeah |
| 15:30.40 | numen | xyan but i have the wrong example^^ |
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| 15:31.00 | xyan | numen: the wrong example for what? |
| 15:31.11 | numen | for my mailserver |
| 15:31.27 | xyan | numen: think about it again pick the name you want "mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch" ? |
| 15:31.30 | xyan | right? |
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| 15:31.55 | numen | xyan yes, but i think, it should be mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch mailserver |
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| 15:32.05 | xyan | numen: yes right |
| 15:32.27 | numen | but why is it just mailserv.bratschi-reinach.ch and the mailserve at the end is missing? |
| 15:32.36 | xyan | numen: what? |
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| 15:33.02 | xyan | numen: /etc/hosts syntax is <ip> <fqdn> <short> |
| 15:33.09 | xyan | numen: read man hosts |
| 15:33.19 | xyan | numen: i never said something other than this |
| 15:33.33 | numen | 84.38.65.147 mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch mailserver |
| 15:33.39 | xyan | fine |
| 15:33.49 | xyan | now the short name in /etc/hostname |
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| 15:34.22 | numen | mailserver |
| 15:34.25 | xyan | then you run the command > hostname mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch |
| 15:34.34 | xyan | and hostname always tells the shortname |
| 15:34.39 | xyan | but hostname -f⦠|
| 15:34.47 | tobago | xyan, i got the debian system bootet with the help of the external usb medium. i guess i have to fix grub by "grub-install '(hd0)'", right? |
| 15:34.49 | hile | xyan, I think he is asking why hostname --fqdn does not report both names |
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| 15:35.02 | hile | which it of course should not do |
| 15:35.20 | numen | xyan with hostname --fqdn i think it should show both? |
| 15:35.21 | xyan | tobago: yes and update-grub after that, remove the usb drive when doing so otherwise you mess up grubs system.map |
| 15:35.26 | hile | numen, NO |
| 15:35.28 | xyan | numen: NO |
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| 15:37.11 | Rascal911 | is debian good as a desktop? |
| 15:37.21 | Rascal911 | I'm coming from Ubuntu |
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| 15:37.33 | wols | what do you expect us to say? it's horrible? |
| 15:37.35 | wols | sheesh |
| 15:37.52 | Rascal911 | wols, well, is it suitable as a dekstop OS? |
| 15:38.05 | hile | maybe the confusion is the manual page, which says "A FQDN consists of a short host name and the DNS domain name", but of course it just means "combined by a dot" |
| 15:38.09 | wols | !saturday |
| 15:38.09 | dpkg | somebody said saturday was Tardsday Eve |
| 15:38.47 | debianite | Rascal911: give it a try and check it out for yourself :) |
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| 15:40.12 | numen | Ungültiges Adress-Trennzeichen ¦ |
| 15:40.12 | numen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.12 | numen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.12 | numen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:40.21 | numen | was ist das problem? |
| 15:40.37 | xyan | numen: #debian-de if you want to talk german |
| 15:40.46 | cahoot | numen: and don't paste here |
| 15:40.47 | numen | sry |
| 15:40.54 | Rascal911 | debianite, will do, I'm just sick and tired of Ubuntu |
| 15:41.04 | xyan | numen: also what command throw this? we cant read your mind |
| 15:41.19 | Rascal911 | can you run virtualbox on debian? |
| 15:41.29 | xyan | Rascal911: sure, why not |
| 15:41.46 | numen | xyan after apt-get install postfix-mysql |
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| 15:42.03 | Rascal911 | xyan, anything you can run on ubuntu you can run on debian? |
| 15:42.15 | xyan | Rascal911: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:42.31 | xyan | Rascal911: ubuntu is based on debian, but more bleeding edge and full of bugs |
| 15:42.49 | xyan | (not saying debian wouldnt have bugs at all :-) |
| 15:43.00 | debianite | yah, a lot of bugs! |
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| 15:43.20 | debianite | I mean ubuntu... |
| 15:43.31 | Rascal911 | yeah, i'm looking for something more stable |
| 15:44.03 | debianite | Rascal911: well, enny is as stable as you can get |
| 15:44.13 | debianite | Lenny |
| 15:44.23 | Rascal911 | yeah i'm downloading 504 now |
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| 15:44.47 | cahoot | Rascal911: you make debian unstable too if you put your mind to it |
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| 15:45.05 | debianite | Rascal911: what desktop environment do you usually run? |
| 15:45.09 | xyan | numen: obviously you just gave the wrong answer to the debconf frontend, address separator ?! not sure i run exim cant help you with postfix specific things. |
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| 15:45.11 | Rascal911 | GNOME |
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| 15:45.42 | debianite | Rascal911: you will find that gnome in Lenny is a bit dated |
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| 15:45.58 | Rascal911 | debianite, yeah I don't care for eye candy anymore |
| 15:46.31 | debianite | Rascal911: it is not just the eye candy... |
| 15:46.50 | Rascal911 | debianite, other problems? |
| 15:47.20 | debianite | Rascal911: if you depend on stuff like network-manager you will see that it is older than in ubuntu |
| 15:47.42 | Rascal911 | debianite, network-manager was the last straw for me |
| 15:48.01 | Rascal911 | I'm happy to configure interfaces and resolv myself |
| 15:48.11 | debianite | Rascal911: the kernel is also a bit older but you can add backports ad install a newer one |
| 15:48.26 | wols | debian (or possibly gnome rather) went down the network manager route too |
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| 15:48.39 | wols | you need to run pidging with -f if you don't use network manager... |
| 15:49.07 | debianite | wols: well, you can get wicd if you dont want network-manager |
| 15:49.41 | debianite | wols: or you can have both |
| 15:49.43 | Rascal911 | is debian 'lighter' than ubuntu? |
| 15:49.45 | wols | debianite: I want bullshit apps not tell me how I have to configure my network. as long as I have an IP and they can resolve, send, recive, they should shut the fuck up |
| 15:50.10 | wols | Rascal911: you can run it a lot lighter if you want yes |
| 15:50.28 | numen | i cant close this error |
| 15:50.39 | xyan | hi5's wols |
| 15:50.45 | Rascal911 | ok, sounds like debian is good for me then. Even if it older, its the pay off for stability |
| 15:51.06 | debianite | wols: I understand, but other people coming to Debian still need bulshit apps |
| 15:51.13 | numen | xyan any idea? |
| 15:51.29 | wols | Rascal911: stability in debian is very adjustable. you don't need to run stable. you can run testing or unstable instead. just be prepared that things break then once in a while |
| 15:51.31 | xyan | numen: do you get paid to setup a mailserver? |
| 15:51.47 | numen | nope its privat |
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| 15:51.55 | Rascal911 | wols, stability just topped my list |
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| 15:52.19 | numen | its my own^^ |
| 15:52.28 | xyan | numen: uh ok, dont get me wrong but if you struggle setting a hostname you should not run a mailserver |
| 15:52.38 | debianite | Rascal911: any way, ust try it, and you will never want to go back to ubuntu |
| 15:52.55 | numen | xyan last time i had no problems with it |
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| 15:53.12 | xyan | numen: yeah so try to remember what you did and do that again |
| 15:53.23 | Rascal911 | debianite, yeah, I don't think Ubuntu is right for me anymore |
| 15:53.24 | numen | xyan the hostname problem is done |
| 15:53.40 | numen | the problem is, i did apt-get install postfix-mysql |
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| 15:54.00 | xyan | numen: sure right, is the addresse seperator related to variable envelope return path addresses maybe? |
| 15:54.04 | numen | and get an error and always if i do ok, its still there |
| 15:54.07 | Rascal911 | Ubuntu has 6 month release cycle, how does debian do it? |
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| 15:54.35 | xyan | numen: you can enter a seperator there right? |
| 15:54.36 | debianite | Rascal911: it releases when its ready |
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| 15:54.51 | wols | Rascal911: somewhere between 18months and 2 years usually |
| 15:54.52 | Rascal911 | debianite, good good |
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| 15:56.22 | numen | xyan nope i cant enter something |
| 15:56.27 | numen | did a printscreen for you |
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| 15:56.36 | numen | http://imagebin.org/85644 |
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| 15:57.19 | xyan | numen: it tells "sie haben question skipped eingegeben" ? if it says you input something there should be⦠no? |
| 15:57.21 | wols | numen: press "." |
| 15:57.39 | wols | as a delimiter |
| 15:58.01 | numen | wols i cant enter something |
| 15:58.07 | numen | if i press . nothing happens |
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| 15:58.14 | wols | you can press enter here. what happens then? |
| 15:58.23 | numen | same message again |
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| 15:58.34 | Farhadix | hi guys, I have changed my plan. :) .I have shared my internet, I have a ssh -D 1111 foo@foo and now direct the whole of my internet to an that. How have I do this to clients who set their gateway to my IP their internet goes to 127.0.0.1:1111 ? |
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| 15:59.33 | wols | numen: what is on your screen when you press enter on this error message? |
| 15:59.49 | numen | short time black then same screen |
| 16:00.02 | wols | Farhadix: do an IP masquerading router instead |
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| 16:00.14 | wols | numen: stop the config and redo it |
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| 16:00.27 | numen | wols but how can i stop? |
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| 16:00.32 | numen | crtl+c does not work |
| 16:00.36 | xyan | ctrl+z ? |
| 16:00.41 | wols | man kill |
| 16:00.54 | wols | simply closing putty will stop it |
| 16:01.10 | xyan | btw the default is "recipient_delimiter = +" |
| 16:01.50 | ^Michael | Is it possible to backport with compilation options, if so.. how? |
| 16:02.37 | wols | !tell ^Michael about ssb |
| 16:02.43 | numen | now i cant use apt-get install postfix-mysql anymore |
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| 16:02.54 | wols | numen: no one told you to do that |
| 16:03.14 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 16:03.37 | xyan | maybe with a -phigh |
| 16:04.07 | wols | xyan: I shudder the amount of help needed to make his box recieve mails with virtual users. |
| 16:04.18 | micket1 | So, i have intel graphics, (Core i5 IGP), and i use the xserver-xorg-video-intel. I can't see any errors in Xorg.0.log, but i still end up with software rendering when i check glxinfo. I'm not sure how to debug this |
| 16:04.22 | wols | a true sunday endeavour |
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| 16:04.34 | yq | Hmm what should I use to view Flash content on ARM/SPARC/PowerPC boxes? Macromedia only release x86 binaries |
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| 16:04.38 | wols | micket1: which debian version from when? |
| 16:04.49 | micket1 | wols: Sid. |
| 16:04.56 | xyan | wols: dig mx mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch makes me shudder as well |
| 16:05.10 | wols | yq: swfdec, gnash. and pray. and sacrifice. to make the misery shorter: kill yourself |
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| 16:05.16 | yq | ;/ |
| 16:05.19 | micket1 | and i also built my own kernel, 2.6.33-rc8 (as i saw this as a requirement on phoronix) |
| 16:05.23 | yq | How well do those work really? |
| 16:05.51 | wols | micket1: then you need the drivers directly from intel most likely. and compile them yourself. |
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| 16:05.59 | wols | micket1: otherwise the KMS stuff might not work |
| 16:06.19 | wols | yq: not very well unfortunately |
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| 16:06.48 | ^Michael | wols: Yeah, i've read 'package recompile', but at what point do I specify the configure options? |
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| 16:07.10 | wols | you edit the config files generally |
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| 16:07.26 | wols | or you use CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS, etc |
| 16:07.31 | xyan | numen: so any other outcome? your mx record says mail.bratschi-reinach.ch btw |
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| 16:08.02 | wols | ^Michael: read step 4 again. and again. and again |
| 16:08.03 | RfAFdlS | need help http://code.shareservices.net/code.php?id=319 |
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| 16:09.06 | wols | !tell RfAFdlS about security |
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| 16:09.20 | wols | RfAFdlS: your sources.list entry is bogus |
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| 16:10.08 | Pericius | i've enabled framebuffer, works fine with minor issues (no widescreen res)... now, how to colorize console in it (i remember gentoo doing that just fine, and i just get blue and white) and how to get 256 colors in vim with it? |
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| 16:10.08 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 16:10.28 | wols | holy fucking shit, fefe has ads! |
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| 16:10.42 | lipcpro | any one have a clue why gnome desktop would loose the menu bar and status bar |
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| 16:10.48 | wols | ignore that. ECHAN |
| 16:11.10 | wols | lipcpro: check your xsession errors? |
| 16:11.11 | RfAFdlS | wols: o_O |
| 16:11.18 | lipcpro | thanks |
| 16:11.31 | numen | hmmm |
| 16:11.35 | numen | same problem again |
| 16:11.48 | lipcpro | wols: where do I find that |
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| 16:12.35 | numen | wols problem is always after entering the mailname mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch |
| 16:12.39 | RfAFdlS | wols: #deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main . bogus?? |
| 16:12.42 | numen | i think, this would be the fqdn? |
| 16:13.19 | wols | what kind of problem? |
| 16:13.39 | wols | RfAFdlS: why make it a comment? and what about the dot at the end? |
| 16:13.48 | lipcpro | wols: where do I find that |
| 16:13.50 | numen | wols do you know about? |
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| 16:14.07 | wols | lipcpro: ~/.xsession-errors |
| 16:14.16 | wols | numen: do I know what? |
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| 16:14.48 | RfAFdlS | wols: accidentally |
| 16:15.23 | RfAFdlS | wols: this: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 16:15.25 | RfAFdlS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.33 | phorce1 | fresh lenny install --- all goes well, no errors. After the install grub to mbr step --- reboot "No bootable media". (BIOS is set to prefer the HD) ... ideas |
| 16:15.52 | numen | System-E-Mail-Name:mailserver.bratschi-reinach.ch__ |
| 16:15.59 | numen | i think, this is true? |
| 16:16.26 | wols | RfAFdlS: not bogus. see the factoid dpkg sent you |
| 16:16.59 | nsadmin | numen both names point to the same IP |
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| 16:17.28 | wols | numen: I don't know what your mailserver domain/fqdn is. unless you know you better not configure a mailserver either |
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| 16:18.04 | wols | numen: and until you answer my question from above, I won't answer your questions anymore either |
| 16:18.23 | numen | wols the do i know what question? |
| 16:18.28 | numen | or which question? |
| 16:18.44 | wols | numen: if you don't understand english enough to answer (you seem not to be able to understnad the differences between what, where and such) you better go to #debian.de |
| 16:18.47 | numen | ah i mean the error i showed with the printscreen |
| 16:18.51 | wols | 17:13 < wols> what kind of problem? |
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| 16:19.18 | wols | I don't think the error shows directly after setting the system mail name |
| 16:19.33 | numen | with the http://imagebin.org/85644 |
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| 16:19.46 | numen | wols it asks me 2times for the name |
| 16:19.53 | numen | after the second time return |
| 16:19.57 | wols | numen: no it doesn't. |
| 16:19.58 | numen | it shows me this error |
| 16:20.39 | wols | export LANG=C;dpkg-reconfigure postfix then tell us EXACTLY both questions you think are the same before the error shows |
| 16:20.51 | RfAFdlS | wols: Thank you. |
| 16:20.57 | wols | and use a pastebin, not some wasteful image |
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| 16:21.08 | wols | hint: putty has cut+paste |
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| 16:21.55 | numen | wols there is only this screen not more |
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| 16:22.43 | numen | i think bratschi-reinach.ch should be the right one for this |
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| 16:22.55 | numen | but if i enter im on the position, i cant do anythin anymore |
| 16:23.54 | wols | no there is more |
| 16:24.13 | wols | read what I asked you to do. if you don't understand: !de |
| 16:24.28 | tobago | xyan, i tried some configs of the grub parameters, but all failed.i mean i did a "grub-install 'hd0'" and a "update-grub". rebooting the grub parameters fail with message: "root (hd0,1); filesystem type unknown ... ; kernel vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda5 ro; error 17 ..." |
| 16:24.57 | wols | tobago: how did you boot when running grub-install? |
| 16:25.02 | wols | and what does fdisk -l say? |
| 16:25.08 | xyan | tobago: if it tells filesystem type unknown then ext2.mod insnt loaded? |
| 16:25.33 | numen | ok mom |
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| 16:26.03 | stony | hmm btw it's funny that grub assumes root is 0,1 on my system because it's on sda1 which should be 0,0 shouldn't it ? |
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| 16:26.50 | nsadmin | stony: /boot/grub/device.map |
| 16:27.01 | nsadmin | you tell us what it should be :) |
| 16:27.23 | stony | nsadmin: i'm talking about the partitions not the drive itself :) |
| 16:27.28 | shawncm217 | Is anyone else having trouble getting or installing updates under Debian 5.0.4? |
| 16:27.32 | xyan | stony: the numbering scheme has changed in grub2 first disk is 0 right but first (primary) partition is 1 |
| 16:27.40 | wols | !tell shawncm217 about anyone |
| 16:27.48 | stony | xyan: ah ic, thx |
| 16:27.48 | krion | hi |
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| 16:27.58 | phorce1 | ok, let's try this again now that I got irssi straightened out |
| 16:28.10 | phorce1 | fresh lenny install --- all goes well, no errors. After the install grub to mbr step --- reboot "No bootable media". (BIOS is set to prefer the HD) ... ideas |
| 16:28.13 | nsadmin | shawncm217: are you? |
| 16:29.24 | wols | phorce1: what other hdds and such are in there? |
| 16:30.53 | phorce1 | wols: none. Single IDE HD plus the DVDROM |
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| 16:31.32 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: possibly you installed grub to the partition instead of the MBR. |
| 16:31.49 | wols | boot via debian rescue and when booted, run grub-install |
| 16:32.02 | shawncm217 | Yes. I am. This has persisted for a full week now. The installer hangs at downloading the last package to install. If I switch repository locations sometimes it will work. I have yet to get update to work correctly regardless of with repository location I choose. Either it says it couldn't download a file when checking for updates (It rarely says which file.) or it gets a list updates, but... |
| 16:32.05 | shawncm217 | ...clicking the install button does nothing. |
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| 16:33.08 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: not me, the lenny netinstall. This is a fresh install. |
| 16:33.25 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: It's an option in the installer. |
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| 16:33.51 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: I'm afraid it isn't very clear which one most people should choose, although I believe the MBR is the default. |
| 16:33.51 | phorce1 | wols: doing that now (rescue) using /dev/hda instead of the (HD0) that the installer used |
| 16:33.58 | wols | shawncm217: ues aptitude. no clicking |
| 16:34.12 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: mbr is default |
| 16:34.21 | wols | phorce1: no you don't use any rescue if you you use /dev/hda. that's a disk |
| 16:34.26 | xyan | shawncm217: its not the (gui?) installer itself that hangs? can you switch to a console with alt+f4 still? |
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| 16:34.34 | wols | phorce1: how did you boot right now? |
| 16:34.51 | ys0srs | Hello, I am on Lenny, KDE 3.5.10. Does anyone know how to recover deleted book from Kjots? '~/kde/share/apps/kjots' doesn't have anything. |
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| 16:35.36 | tobago | wols, xyan it takes some effort to make it run again with the help of the usb device (that's why it takes some minutes) |
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| 16:35.57 | tobago | wols, i bootet using the usb device (with the debian) |
| 16:36.29 | tobago | xyan, i don't know if the ext2.mod wasn't loaded. i'm a debian beginner. |
| 16:36.45 | wols | tobago: that's the problem right now. all grub isntall script assume this BIOS disk layout will be the same when you boot from hdd again, which is untrue as we all know |
| 16:36.45 | xyan | tobago: reinstall grub with "grub-install --force --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sda" |
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| 16:37.07 | wols | xyan: /dev/sda is the usb stick |
| 16:37.17 | tobago | wols, no the usb stick is sdb |
| 16:37.33 | wols | your choce. good luck |
| 16:37.34 | icebrain | hi. Are there any packages of MPD with Lame support? There are no players for symbian with OGG support :| |
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| 16:37.44 | phorce1 | wols: booted the installer, went to rescue mode, told it to use the /dev/hda1 as root system, told it to reinstall grub. Choices were "/dev/hda" or (HD0). Installer originally used HD0 so I tried /dev/hda. Still fails |
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| 16:38.18 | wols | phorce1: while in there dd the first sector to a file and check what's in it |
| 16:38.19 | tobago | wols, sorry, i didn't want to be rude |
| 16:38.39 | tobago | but it really loads it as sdb |
| 16:39.01 | phorce1 | wols: rebooting to rescue now |
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| 16:39.35 | xyan | tobago: so then you end up with a corrupt system.map and grub cant boot |
| 16:39.38 | nsadmin | can fdisk or other partitioner be told to make primary partitions with 64 unused sectors to put chainloaders in each? |
| 16:40.05 | shawncm217 | xyan: I've got to get it re-installed first. I wiped and started a fresh install to see if the issue I experienced last weekend was still there. It was. Prior to last weekend, I have installed fine. I've tried re-downloading the installation media by different methods and going back to a previous version of VirtualBox. Still no luck. |
| 16:40.22 | tobago | xyan, that's my situation right now. |
| 16:40.46 | xyan | tobago: well thats not good, since you dont have an optical drive |
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| 16:41.02 | xyan | tobago: does the usb media come with a "load to ram" option? im not sure |
| 16:41.15 | xyan | tobago: you somehow have to get rid of the usb media being sda |
| 16:41.43 | tobago | xyan, xyan i guess the usb media is treated as sdb? |
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| 16:42.11 | xyan | tobago: er you said the usb stick is sda? how can it be treated as sdb then? |
| 16:42.11 | tobago | i'm confused |
| 16:42.27 | tobago | xyan, o.k. then i was misleading. |
| 16:43.10 | wols | xyan: you said the usb stick is sdb |
| 16:43.18 | tobago | xyan, usb was loaded as sdb. and grub can load a kernel from sdb1 (the usb). i want grub to load the kernel from sda (the hd). |
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| 16:43.35 | wols | tobago: first order for you is to check what the usb stick is. both in debian and in bios |
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| 16:44.40 | phorce1 | wols: how many bytes since I don't have access to my man pages right now (dd bs=? count=? if=/dev/hda) |
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| 16:44.55 | dustybin | has squeeze had a feature freeze? |
| 16:45.11 | tobago | xyan, wols, in bios: usb device is first and hs is second. but when switch the boot order i can't get grub loading the kernel from hd. |
| 16:45.16 | wols | phorce1: 512 bytes, count 1 |
| 16:45.22 | shawncm217 | wols: To my knowledge, aptitude isn't going to be available during install. I came here wanting to know if anyone else was experiencing similar issues and then proceed from there. |
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| 16:45.46 | wols | shawncm217: choose another mirror |
| 16:46.03 | tobago | now i will change the bios boot order again to: 1.) hd 2.) usb. and will se if grub is able to run the kernel |
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| 16:47.10 | phorce1 | wols: hmmm Grub Geo Hard Disk Read Error <---- that's not all clear text, there are some non-printing characters in the mess |
| 16:47.11 | nkuttler | dustybin: i think that's announced for march (?) |
| 16:47.12 | shawncm217 | wols: That only works sometimes. I'm having issues with multiple mirrors. They're all official mirrors. |
| 16:47.35 | wols | shawncm217: then it's you. simply 2 minutes of thinking should have sufficed |
| 16:47.55 | wols | phorce1: so grub is installed to the mbr |
| 16:48.04 | wols | since grub never gets to execute, it'S your bios |
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| 16:48.48 | dustybin | nkuttler: yep just found it, squeeze freeze will be march 2010 |
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| 16:49.13 | dustybin | NEXT MONTH!!! |
| 16:49.18 | dustybin | arhghghghghghhghg |
| 16:49.28 | wols | dustybin: not sure if that info is still current |
| 16:49.34 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 16:50.15 | nsadmin | freeeezzzyyyy squeeeeeeeeezeeeeeeeyyyyyy! |
| 16:50.37 | shawncm217 | wols: Or the mirrors are messed up. That's why I wanted to know if anyone else was having issues. If it is me, what do I do to fix it? It's happening during installs and in fresh installations. Prior to last weekend, I had installed and updated 5.0.4 under VirtualBox without issue. Nothing on my end has changed that I haven't checked. |
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| 16:50.56 | dustybin | squeeze the freeeeeze |
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| 16:51.47 | wols | dustybin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 16:51.55 | dustybin | mega :D |
| 16:52.00 | dutchfish | dustybin, i am not so sure if i look at the bug count |
| 16:52.05 | tobago | wols, xyan now the current bios order: 1.) hd 2.) usb |
| 16:52.07 | wols | shawncm217: at which point in the install does it happen? |
| 16:53.01 | phorce1 | wols: that's annoying <grin>. Bios specifically had the HD set as first boot device. |
| 16:53.02 | hile | wols, it is not necessarily personal network problem. there are places where ISPs run mandatory transparent proxies and these do cause all kinds of interesting errors |
| 16:53.16 | hile | of course, not a problem for most people |
| 16:53.38 | shawncm217 | wols: After selecting which packages to install. (I choose the defaults.) It hangs at downloading package 810 of 810. |
| 16:53.39 | tobago | wols, xyan the grub commands: root hd(0,1) kernel /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda1 ro |
| 16:53.41 | wols | hile: I know. which is why my question. and if it's his ISP it's still him and not the server |
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| 16:53.47 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 16:54.04 | hile | wols: yeah, true |
| 16:54.25 | wols | shawncm217: first, at this point you already have apt. 2nd, just don't download anything at this point. install nothing |
| 16:54.26 | tobago | wols, xyan though i'm not sure if they are correct. |
| 16:54.37 | wols | you can install everything you want afterward, after the installation jsut fine |
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| 16:55.02 | tobago | xyan, wols and grub returns a message: cannot mount partition |
| 16:55.03 | yaaar | I've got a lenny box that's misbehaving badly....pretty much every morning when I wake up it's just locked up hard and I have to hit the reset button. My logs are full of call traces and stuff but I don't understand them....anybody want to look at a paste of the logs and give me an idea what might be wrong? http://pastebin.ca/1803818 |
| 16:55.04 | wols | tobago: looks good, tho I still don't know which grub verison you actually run |
| 16:55.19 | wols | tobago: after which command? |
| 16:55.26 | tobago | wols, i guess it's grub (!grub2) |
| 16:55.33 | tobago | wols, after doing b for boot |
| 16:55.53 | tobago | in the grub dialog |
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| 16:56.08 | stony | Y |
| 16:56.12 | tobago | the stuff which is in grub/menu.lst |
| 16:56.18 | shawncm217 | wols: Ok. I'm doing an install right now. I'll select nothing and see. |
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| 16:56.57 | nsadmin | is grub2 really "better" somehow? |
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| 16:57.19 | wols | yaaar: [<ffffffff802738a0>] oom_kill_process+0x57/0x1dc is a big hin. not enough memory/swap |
| 16:57.20 | cbx | nsadmin: it has 2 in it |
| 16:57.25 | cbx | it has to be better |
| 16:57.30 | tobago | wols, xyan and in /dev there are sda1, sda2 and sda5. i tried all three for booting, but all three cannot be mounted |
| 16:57.33 | tobago | by grub |
| 16:57.46 | yaaar | wols; so you think if i just jam more memory in the box it'll stop doing this? |
| 16:58.08 | nsadmin | does update-grub work in grub2? does it have the stage1/stage2 thing? does it have a shell? |
| 16:58.12 | wols | with grub, sda1 is root(hd0,0) |
| 16:58.16 | wols | tobago: ^^ |
| 16:58.52 | tobago | wols, o.k. i try root hd(0,0) instead of root (hd0,1) |
| 16:59.00 | wols | yaaar: possibly. it will not run out of memory anymore. and check what cron does for its daily routine. the other calltraces are at shortly after 6 when cron does its daily grind |
| 16:59.16 | wols | nsadmin: yes, yes (sorta), yes |
| 17:00.05 | shawncm217 | wols: were you and hile discussing my issue? do you think my ISP could have changed something in the last few weeks that could be causing my issues? (It wouldn't surprise me, I just didn't suspect.) |
| 17:00.38 | wols | shawncm217: since it's a virtualbox, I suspect more the fault lies there |
| 17:00.51 | wols | but of course the ISP could have changed something. we don't know what your ISP does |
| 17:01.00 | nsadmin | ok, about stage1/stage2... can I put stage1 in the same places as stage1 of grublegacy? can stage2 go in the chainload spot (MBR+1..64)? |
| 17:02.02 | nsadmin | from what I understand, they didn't want to have a grub shell in the OS like the grub shell you boot into |
| 17:02.17 | nsadmin | any interesting details on that point? |
| 17:02.24 | shawncm217 | wols: Again, I've installed 5.0.4 under VirtualBox fine before. I've even gone back to the previous version (of VirtualBox) which I know worked, but still no success. |
| 17:03.19 | nsadmin | hmm. one specific question, was it annoying to go from grub1 to grub2 just considering that the shell is different? |
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| 17:04.19 | wols | nsadmin: it worked automagically for me but imho grub2 is not really table yet |
| 17:04.32 | wols | but then, I run sid, I deserve what I get |
| 17:04.34 | nsadmin | is it chair? |
| 17:04.49 | nsadmin | ohhh -S-table |
| 17:04.52 | nsadmin | sorry :) |
| 17:05.51 | nsadmin | wols: about how many different instable incidents did you encounter? |
| 17:06.11 | wols | perosnally? one. not exactly an install incident |
| 17:06.16 | tobago | xyan, wols grub runs the debian kernel right now! thanks a lot for your patience! |
| 17:06.29 | wols | suddently after a reboot the grub screen was blank. grub worked fine but I had to navigate blind |
| 17:06.32 | tobago | wols, hd(0,0) was the key. |
| 17:06.45 | wols | after a few days/boots it resolved itself without any intervention by me |
| 17:07.09 | wols | tobago: now that you are in debian (CONGRATS!), you want to reinstall grub with grub-install |
| 17:07.11 | nsadmin | "grub screen"? was it a text color issue? err, oh ok,,, did you ever find out what it was? |
| 17:07.20 | wols | and very carefully check your menu.lst then update-grub |
| 17:07.24 | tobago | wols, why? it runs. |
| 17:07.37 | wols | nsadmin: grub is graphical now. graphical bootmanager. luxury |
| 17:07.49 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 17:07.54 | tobago | wols, i already edited the menu.lst. |
| 17:07.56 | wols | tobago: it runs automatically from start to finish? no entering commands and such? |
| 17:07.57 | nsadmin | not sure I'd be into that |
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| 17:08.08 | tobago | wols, after editing the menu.lst it does. |
| 17:08.18 | wols | tobago: what did you hcange in there? |
| 17:08.41 | wols | tobago: was it groot? |
| 17:08.47 | tobago | wols, hd(0,1) to hd(0,0) and sdb1 to sda1 |
| 17:09.02 | wols | which line? the # groot one? |
| 17:09.04 | nsadmin | wols: any way you know of to go to a text-based menu system like legacy? |
| 17:09.14 | tobago | wols, i did it as root by su - ; change menu.lst; exit |
| 17:09.21 | wols | nsadmin: there might be a text based interface. I dunno |
| 17:09.25 | jhutchins_lt | grub2 is a mess, all they need to do now is take all the distributed config file and encrypt 'em into a registry hive. |
| 17:09.28 | phorce1 | That is so freaking annoying. Disabled all boot options except the HD and it still fails. Oh well, come back to it later. Have to finish setting up some other stuff |
| 17:09.38 | wols | tobago: that's not what I asked. what LINE inside menu.lst did you change? |
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| 17:10.02 | shawncm217 | wols: The installer stopped at the step prior to choosing packages. I believe it is where it downloads the list of available packages. It stopped at retrieving file 3 of 3. Trying again. |
| 17:10.03 | nsadmin | ok, I'd be loooking into that... I'm sure there must be; what, they didn't remember about serial consoles?? |
| 17:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Yet you can read the drive just fine booted to the CD, right? |
| 17:10.23 | wols | shawncm217: you donet need that. ignore it, |
| 17:10.45 | tobago | wols, i changed root (hd0,1) to root (hd0,0) and the second entry kernel vmlinuz... root=/dev/sdb1 to kernel vmlinuz... root=/dev/sda1 |
| 17:10.52 | wols | shawncm217: don't configure the network in the installer and you certainly won't need any downloads there |
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| 17:11.29 | wols | tobago: then you didn't do it right. you need to change the # groot and the # kopt lines (notice the comment # chars. do not remove those) |
| 17:11.30 | tobago | wols, and now it runs perfectly till the accounting bash. |
| 17:11.32 | nsadmin | I suppose I gotta try this... |
| 17:11.38 | shawncm217 | wols: I'm using the network install media. (If that's relevant.) |
| 17:11.44 | tobago | wols, o.k.? |
| 17:11.45 | jhutchins_lt | tobago: Um, those aren't equivalent changes. I believe the first changes from first to second partition on drive 1, and the second changes from drive 2 to drive 1. |
| 17:11.47 | wols | tobago: it will not run perfectly anymore next time you install/update your kernel |
| 17:12.05 | wols | in fact, anytime you run update-grub your edits are gone |
| 17:12.06 | tobago | ahhh. o.k.! |
| 17:12.25 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: yep. Booted fine in rescue mode. Ran commands. Poked around the files, etc. |
| 17:12.27 | wols | shawncm217: it's not. netinst doesn't need a network connection. it gives you a full debian if a sparse one |
| 17:12.47 | nsadmin | if you edit the uncommented stuff between those two magic lines, that will all go away |
| 17:12.50 | tobago | wols, then i will edit the lines you mentioned (hope to find them) |
| 17:12.55 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Just out of curiosity, is the boot flag set for that partition? It shouldn't matter to grub, but... |
| 17:13.05 | wols | tobago: they are near the beginning |
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| 17:13.28 | wols | jhutchins_lt: he doesn't even get to grub (or the disk at all) |
| 17:13.40 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Yeah, it's weird. |
| 17:13.47 | jhutchins_lt | wols: You'd think he was running raid or something. |
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| 17:14.05 | wols | jhutchins_lt: good idea. he should check |
| 17:14.59 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt, wols : No. The HD and DVDROM are the Master and Slave on the primary IDE connector. No RAID |
| 17:15.57 | phorce1 | I'm going to pull it apart in a sec and check all the drive jumpers. Maybe one is set to CS and another to MASTER and the bios is "correcting" after the boot |
| 17:15.59 | wols | phorce1: he meant if the BIOS is set to RAID |
| 17:16.20 | nsadmin | phorce1: interesting... and the dvdrom doesn't slow down the HD since they're on the same cable and the controller negotiates the speed? |
| 17:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Sounds like as good a plan as any. |
| 17:16.29 | phorce1 | wols: I don't recall a RAID option in this BIOS |
| 17:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: I suppose you can also try lilo. |
| 17:16.42 | wols | nsadmin: if the dvd uses the same ata mode, it won't |
| 17:16.57 | phorce1 | hasn't used lilo since .... woody? |
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| 17:17.23 | nsadmin | question about that... do the IDE/ATA drivers log the negotiation process? can I see whether one or the other could have been higher? |
| 17:18.11 | nsadmin | it's moot now, because I got a pci ide card for the dvdrom |
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| 17:18.32 | tobago | wols, o.k. did it edited both lines groot to (hd0,0) and kopt to sda1 |
| 17:18.46 | tobago | ... and i didn't remove the # |
| 17:19.09 | wols | good |
| 17:19.13 | nsadmin | decides to upgrade his old domU |
| 17:19.24 | nsadmin | just to test this stuff |
| 17:19.24 | wols | now it won't fsck up when you do a kernel upgrade. have fun with your debian |
| 17:19.40 | wols | tobago: good thing one doesn't have to reinstall debian ever :) |
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| 17:19.49 | tobago | i hope so :). thanx! now i have to configure my pppoe. |
| 17:20.09 | wols | tobago: for 3G? |
| 17:20.24 | tobago | realtek 8168B |
| 17:20.46 | wols | that one doesn't need PPPOE. what for? |
| 17:21.03 | tobago | dsl modem |
| 17:21.26 | wols | the realtek is a network chip, not a dsl modem :) |
| 17:22.00 | tobago | wols, true. but i need to pppoe to connect the modem. |
| 17:22.22 | jhutchins_lt | One might suspect that the network chip on the PC connects to the modem via ethernet, but ppoe connects through the modem to the ISP. |
| 17:22.27 | wols | yes. my ISP/router use pppoe too. evil |
| 17:22.27 | hile | wols, some pppoe cards show up as realteks |
| 17:22.46 | wols | pppoe cards? wassat? |
| 17:22.47 | jhutchins_lt | Um, no such thing as a ppoe card/chip. |
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| 17:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | The "E" in ppoe: Ethernet. |
| 17:23.27 | hile | it was something very weird setup with pppoe |
| 17:23.27 | wols | jhutchins_lt: well, there could be however a dsl modem as a pci cards. I think avm made one. but yes, pppoe being a protocol, there can't be a chip for it |
| 17:23.35 | nsadmin | LOVES his /etc/apt/sources.list.m4 :) |
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| 17:23.59 | tobago | wols, pppeoconf? |
| 17:24.15 | wols | tobago: yes |
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| 17:24.32 | tobago | hopes pppoeconf is on the machine. |
| 17:24.37 | wols | but: buy a router. seriously, I'M not joking. unless install this debian as a router |
| 17:24.48 | tobago | wols, ordered :)) |
| 17:25.05 | wols | I hope a linux based one? |
| 17:25.06 | tobago | changing the provider gets me a router |
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| 17:25.46 | agdoku | is debian using grub2? |
| 17:25.55 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Buying a router doesn't in itself eliminate pppoe. |
| 17:25.56 | nsadmin | it can |
| 17:26.02 | hile | ah, it was not realtek, but ne2k. a DSL+pppoe card which shows as ethernet device to linux or something as weird |
| 17:26.09 | nsadmin | agdoku: it can (lenny) |
| 17:26.24 | hile | and yes i told my friend to get rid of it as well :) |
| 17:26.28 | Boohbah | hello debian! what is the debian equivalent of gentoo's 'wgetpaste', a tool for pasting STDINput to the dpaste.com website? |
| 17:26.37 | jpinx-eeepc | how does one alter the default fontsize in X applications that don't have that option in their own preferences? |
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| 17:26.45 | tobago | wols, EasyBox 802 --> awsome |
| 17:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | pppoe is not in and of itself a bad thing, it depends on how it's implemented. |
| 17:27.18 | tobago | wols, but htat will take 1 month to get it... so in the meantime i should pppoeconf |
| 17:27.20 | tobago | that |
| 17:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: What desktop are you using? |
| 17:27.37 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: lxde |
| 17:27.41 | hile | anywy, that setup had the pppoe stack somehow in the card as well, it was very stupid system |
| 17:27.42 | newsense | does anyone know offhand if kvm vm's should be installed as root or can i install them under a non-root account ? |
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| 17:28.42 | zorrolero | !tell Boohbah about pastebinit |
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| 17:30.24 | Boohbah | thank you zorrolero |
| 17:30.25 | nsadmin | say I'm ready to do etch -> lenny... where in the release notes for lenny do I start? |
| 17:30.38 | zorrolero | np Boohbah |
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| 17:31.12 | agdoku | What is wrong, if one of my raid disks shows up as md_d0 ? |
| 17:31.16 | nsadmin | I renamed mine to stdin-pastbin |
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| 17:31.22 | wols | jhutchins_lt: PPP over Ethernet is a bad thing no matter how you look at it |
| 17:31.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell nsadmin about etch->lenny |
| 17:31.24 | Boohbah | newsense: kernel virtual machine vm's should be root... |
| 17:31.27 | hile | hmmhm now when I think, I'm quite sure pppoe was on linux side after all, but the card was very weird and I just associate it with pppoe because that's first time I needed to use pppoe |
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| 17:31.53 | Boohbah | newsense: are you trying to lock things down? |
| 17:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell nsadmin about etch -> lenny |
| 17:32.20 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: that just says read the release notes... but I'll do an etch upgrade (hmm, didn't I do that already?) |
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| 17:32.35 | jhutchins_lt | !tell nsadmin about etch->lenny |
| 17:32.36 | newsense | Boohbah: basically |
| 17:32.41 | Boohbah | newsense: actually i may be wrong about that... |
| 17:32.48 | Boohbah | root privileges |
| 17:32.53 | Boohbah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kvm_running_various_guests.png |
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| 17:33.15 | hile | oh now i remember: it was damn homepna+pppoe, not dsl. damn I did not want to remember that hardware :( |
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| 17:33.39 | chaz | I installed Debian and removed all the predefined package groups. I installed X and have everything working correctly except I'm trying to get xscreensaver to lock when I shut my laptop lid. Anyone know how to accomplish this? |
| 17:33.39 | newsense | Boohbah: great thanks, i noticed i can install it as root or non-root but wasn't sure about any issues that might come up |
| 17:33.58 | nsadmin | there were two packages to upgrade |
| 17:35.17 | nsadmin | !etch->lenny key |
| 17:35.31 | nsadmin | !test |
| 17:35.31 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 17:37.15 | Diilbert | !pastebinit |
| 17:37.15 | dpkg | i heard pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 17:37.30 | nsadmin | !lenny key |
| 17:37.46 | adb | !etch->lenny |
| 17:38.11 | adb | dpkg> Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 17:38.11 | dpkg | adb: what are you talking about? |
| 17:38.16 | nsadmin | I won't bother with the key until after the upgrade |
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| 17:41.37 | WiseBird | ÑÑÑ ÐµÑÑÑ Ð»Ñди? |
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| 17:41.50 | adb | da .. |
| 17:41.57 | WiseBird | а ÑÑ ÑÑанÑлиÑом? (: |
| 17:42.02 | adb | !ru |
| 17:42.02 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:42.09 | boodie | Hi: I would like to purchase an ADSL2 modem (a router, possibly?) can anybody give me an advice? |
| 17:42.22 | chaz | What is the best package to install to monitor when the laptop lid opens and closes to execute commands? |
| 17:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | boodie: You should probably check with your ISP to see if they have any restrictions/requirements. |
| 17:43.13 | nsadmin | chaz why, you want to run the "execute programmer" command when the laptop is opened? |
| 17:43.54 | jhutchins_lt | chaz: I believe that's built into kde's power management. |
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| 17:43.56 | nsadmin | ÑÑанÑл |
| 17:43.59 | Boohbah | Pazhaluista, zahodite na |
| 17:44.07 | nsadmin | hmm, weird :) |
| 17:44.19 | boodie | jhutchins_lt: no, I don't think ... obviously it describes connecting only with windows (& mac) |
| 17:44.31 | jhutchins_lt | There's a russian irc network, they probably have debian channels. |
| 17:44.44 | jhutchins_lt | They have one for Mandriva (but I don't remember the net). |
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| 17:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | boodie: That should be close enough for you to figure out, especially the mac stuff (since mac is unix based) |
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| 17:47.02 | boodie | No, there are no particular restrictions, I don't think ... local debianists use this provider (TELECOM ITALIA, in fact) |
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| 17:48.33 | boodie | How about the D-link? |
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| 17:52.43 | agdoku | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.29 | agdoku | grub2 was working on my old system, that I might need to mention. |
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| 17:54.50 | nsadmin | should I be concerned about upgrade to lenny with these two bugs: #566844 #545146 |
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| 17:56.54 | nsadmin | these showed up after switching sources.list to lenny and then doing aptitude install apt aptitude |
| 17:57.12 | nsadmin | oh, and also aptitude update |
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| 17:58.31 | wols | boodie: this is not ##hardware |
| 17:58.55 | jpapertowel | is there a way to install lenny on a raid0 setup |
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| 17:59.05 | boodie | wols: sorry |
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| 17:59.46 | jpapertowel | my hard drives are fully configured with raid0 using intel's manager on my bios, and when using the installer they just show up as two 750gb hard drives |
| 17:59.51 | dutchfish | nsadmin: the last one is fixed, ie since 2009l-0lenny1 |
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| 18:00.43 | oznt | hi guys, I need help with sed |
| 18:01.04 | oznt | I'm try to do the following sed -i '$a\192\.168\.1\.1\:/shared \t /shared nfs defaults 0 0' |
| 18:01.21 | oznt | but I keep getting errors despite I escaped the dots |
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| 18:01.45 | wbx1 | hello everyone |
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| 18:02.52 | wbx1 | could someone help me? I am trying to install debian with to harddisk, I made the instalation with lvm but when I made an upgrade the grub just crash |
| 18:02.52 | nsadmin | dutchfish: that's the one about tzdata? |
| 18:03.01 | xyan | oznt: sed 's/pattern/replacement/flags' you should escape the slashes as well \/ |
| 18:03.43 | nsadmin | wbx1 could you restate "with to harddisk" |
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| 18:04.06 | oznt | xyan, it still does not work, it keeps complaining about the dod |
| 18:04.07 | oznt | ssh node001 -x sed -i '$a\192\.168\.1\.1\:\/shared \t \/shared nfs defaults 0 0' |
| 18:04.11 | wbx1 | nsadmin, sorry I meant two harddisks |
| 18:04.21 | dutchfish | nsadmin: pgrade Debian 4->5 fails with tzdata: error 10 in post-install #545146 |
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| 18:04.42 | xyan | oznt: whats the $a? for? |
| 18:04.49 | oznt | xyan, append |
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| 18:04.58 | oznt | I'm not trying to replace and search |
| 18:05.23 | nsadmin | dutchfish: cool... |
| 18:05.24 | hexoroid | how can i change the mod of the directory so other users cant access it or read it its for the website where sensetive data is |
| 18:05.32 | oznt | xyan, look here http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/dulaney_sed.html |
| 18:05.37 | hexoroid | so only local user can brwose to it not others |
| 18:05.40 | oznt | xyan, Appending and Inserting Text |
| 18:06.12 | wbx1 | could someone help me? I am trying to install debian in two harddisk, I made the instalation with lvm but when I made an upgrade the grub just crash |
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| 18:06.36 | jpapertowel | debian installer shows my hardware raid0 as two uninitialized 750GB hard drives instead of one 1.5TB hard drive with a NTFS partition on half the drive, any help? |
| 18:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | hexoroid: You'll need to use the allow/deny parameters for the directory. |
| 18:07.10 | hexoroid | jhutchins i already have that |
| 18:07.18 | hexoroid | but what i ment is localy when they are browsing with FTP or so |
| 18:07.28 | xyan | oznt: i dont really get it, why would you append a string using sed? not just ssh host "echo 'string' >> /etc/fstab" |
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| 18:07.59 | oznt | xyan, because I doesn't work to |
| 18:08.11 | dutchfish | nsadmin: the other one is a different story, .. this might bight you when using adjunct password detection, it's still open |
| 18:08.18 | wbx1 | is there a way to install debian in two harddisk as they were one? |
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| 18:08.24 | oznt | If do what you suggest I get this appended to the file on the machine where I ssh'd from |
| 18:08.37 | phorce1 | wols, jhutchins_lt : something funky with the bios. Pulled a SATA drive from the parts box. Reinstalled. Boots fine. <sigh> |
| 18:08.41 | oznt | believe me, i tried before asking here |
| 18:08.49 | xyan | oznt: sed -i '$a\192\.168\.1\.1\:\/shared \t /shared nfs defaults 0 0' /etc/fstab |
| 18:08.51 | hachiya | hi all... I notice there is an /etc/init.d/sysklogd but also a separate /etc/init.d/klogd - is sysklogd supposed to start both syslogd and klogd loggers? |
| 18:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Wierd. |
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| 18:10.10 | jpapertowel | so i assume debian doesn't have support for hardware raid0 since no one is answering? |
| 18:10.29 | xyan | oznt: escape the $ when used with ssh |
| 18:10.40 | xyan | otherwise you end up with a shell expansion |
| 18:10.51 | dutchfish | jpapertowel: it has, as far as the driver is compliant |
| 18:10.52 | hile | oznt: it's actually same problem in both commands you tried... local shell expands things BEFORE you run ssh at all. there is big difference between ssh foo bar > baz and ssh foo "bar > baz" |
| 18:12.05 | oznt | hile, well, I understand, so how do I write the correct command ? |
| 18:12.10 | jpapertowel | dutchfish: so, is there a way I can get the business card installer to recognize my hardware raid0? |
| 18:12.25 | oznt | ssh node002 -x sed -i '\$a\192\.168\.1\.1\:\/shared \t /shared nfs defaults 0 0' /etc/fstab does not work too |
| 18:12.48 | xyan | oznt: ssh node002 "sed -i '\$a\192\.168\.1\.1\:/shared \t /shared nfs defaults 0 0' /etc/fstab" |
| 18:12.57 | nsadmin | dutchfish adjunct password detection... what's that? if I just use the /etc/ passwd n shadow, should be ok? I just upgraded those packages, seems to be ok. would trying to ssh in tell me if the bug is biting? |
| 18:13.09 | dutchfish | jpapertowel: i only used pci-x, so i dont know |
| 18:13.25 | jpapertowel | okay :( |
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| 18:13.46 | nsadmin | ssh seems to work... but the particular login I tried has an ssh key going |
| 18:13.59 | dutchfish | nsadmin: then yes, i myself don't use that either and i haven't run into this one |
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| 18:14.23 | nsadmin | ok, one more test and I suppose I'll do the rest |
| 18:15.01 | dutchfish | nsadmin: and think: backup ;) |
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| 18:15.33 | wbx1 | does anyone know how to install debian in two harddisk as they were one? |
| 18:15.44 | oznt | xyan, thanks, it's a life saver |
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| 18:16.09 | nsadmin | wbx1: you really sure you want to do that? |
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| 18:16.51 | wbx1 | nsadmin, yes, I have 2 80 GB harddisk and I prefer to use them as I have a 160GB HDD |
| 18:17.10 | nsadmin | you can fakeraid 1 them... you can LVM them |
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| 18:17.29 | oznt | xyan, one more problem, if I put this command you gave me inside a shell script it won't work |
| 18:17.33 | oznt | any idea why ? |
| 18:17.44 | wbx1 | I have done it but the raid doesnt put the space into one |
| 18:17.47 | xyan | yeah escape the " then |
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| 18:18.27 | oznt | ok |
| 18:19.41 | oznt | xyan, bash still complain sed: -e expression #1, char 8: missing command |
| 18:19.54 | dutchfish | nsadmin: as far as i understand it, adjunct password detection comes into play with NIS, probably because of the difference in authentication and making at transparent |
| 18:20.17 | xyan | oznt: well the command works for me in a script exactly the way i pasted it |
| 18:20.21 | jpapertowel | hmmm i've been reading about dmraid, is there any way to get dmraid in the business card installer for lenny or possibly squeeze? |
| 18:20.26 | dutchfish | nsadmin: i havent used NIS for a long time |
| 18:20.30 | xyan | oznt: can you pastebin what you have? |
| 18:20.34 | oznt | yes |
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| 18:21.22 | hexoroid | how can i change the mod of the directory so other users cant access it or read it its for the website where sensetive data is (ftp browsing or over the shell) |
| 18:21.24 | oznt | xyan, http://paste.debian.net/60653/ |
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| 18:22.34 | xyan | oznt: forget that \" thats wrong, but rather use quoting for all of your commands |
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| 18:22.59 | oznt | xyan, what do you mean ? |
| 18:23.34 | nsadmin | dutchfish same here |
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| 18:23.45 | dutchfish | hexoroid: by configuring apache2 the right way |
| 18:23.48 | nsadmin | in fact used is a strong word |
| 18:23.52 | oznt | xyan, if I remove \" from the line it still exists |
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| 18:24.01 | xyan | oznt: http://paste.debian.net/60655/ |
| 18:24.18 | hexoroid | dutchfish apache is fine |
| 18:24.25 | hexoroid | i just dont like users brwosing it over ftp or shell |
| 18:24.36 | hexoroid | they can gain the information i did chmod 755 but that didnt fix the problem |
| 18:24.52 | dutchfish | hexoroid: no it isnt, if you can browse dirs |
| 18:25.03 | hexoroid | yeah so how can i fix it :/ |
| 18:25.14 | hexoroid | if i do chmod 644 then i am not able to view my web server |
| 18:25.35 | oznt | xyan, i still get this erro |
| 18:25.35 | oznt | r |
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| 18:26.27 | oznt | xyan sorry I think i found |
| 18:26.28 | oznt | it |
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| 18:26.59 | dutchfish | hexoroid: the best thing is start reading apache2 -- Options -Indexes, then delve into the scripting option for apache2 if using PhP, then delve into directory rights (in that order) |
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| 18:27.02 | oznt | xyan, thanks ! |
| 18:27.23 | xyan | oznt: so what has been wrong? you had another line with an unescaped $? |
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| 18:27.41 | Joan__ | Hi. Is there a package available to install gnu multiprecision library on Debian 5? |
| 18:27.47 | Joan__ | I'm having trouble finding such |
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| 18:27.52 | hexoroid | dutchfish you dont get it.. apache has nothing to do with it |
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| 18:28.02 | hexoroid | its localy when you connect to shell users can browse the files |
| 18:28.06 | hexoroid | so apache has nothing to do with it. |
| 18:28.29 | dutchfish | hexoroid: my mistake then, thought you where talking about a webserver |
| 18:28.54 | hexoroid | nope just locally securing the folder |
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| 18:29.02 | hexoroid | its still on the web but i put .indexes and pass with .htaccess |
| 18:29.05 | dutchfish | hexoroid: then 700 gvies all rights to owner, nonen to the group and none to the others |
| 18:29.08 | hexoroid | i just dont want users over shell or ftp to be browsing it |
| 18:29.21 | hexoroid | if i do 700 then my web says premission denied |
| 18:29.30 | dutchfish | hexoroid: actually make that 0700 |
| 18:30.01 | dutchfish | hexoroid: so we are taking webserver here? now i am confused |
| 18:30.05 | hile | hexoroid: if it is really confidential documents, I suggest you read some more about permissions and groups, not just ask here for a quick hack solution |
| 18:30.14 | varlon | hi, agter update x11 I got error "dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/ols/libglx.so: undefined symbol: miInitVisualsProc" google talk me about some problems on ubuntu, they speak about standard/libglx.so. But in my Debian sid I haven't folder /use/lib/xorg/modules/*/standard/ |
| 18:30.26 | varlon | how can I fix this problem? |
| 18:30.28 | dutchfish | hexoroid: the best thing is start reading apache2 -- Options -Indexes, then delve into the scripting option for apache2 if using PhP, then delve into directory rights (in that order) |
| 18:31.27 | hexoroid | hile ? |
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| 18:31.36 | hexoroid | hile i did reading i couldnt find nothing |
| 18:31.45 | hexoroid | i wouldnt ask here if i was able to solve it |
| 18:32.04 | jpapertowel | how i load dmraid with netinstall iso |
| 18:32.15 | hile | I'm just saying that if you don't understand who should have access to the files, you should not be implementing the access policy for confidential documents |
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| 18:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | varlon: Sid. |
| 18:33.20 | dutchfish | hexoroid: if you want your webserver to get access to that dir and no other users then chown www-data;www-data and chmod 0700 that dir |
| 18:33.31 | hexoroid | thanks |
| 18:33.34 | hile | and here 'who' is not person, but system and user accounts, because someone will require update access after all |
| 18:33.39 | hid3 | Good evening everyone. I see these packets in my tcpdump: 20:32:37.823599 IP 192.168.2.97.37925 > 78.61.220.104.38247: UDP, length 323 . What's the actual packet length is? iptables length match doesn't match the packet if I specify -m length --length 323 |
| 18:33.46 | dutchfish | hexoroid: but be warned, pleas elearn why |
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| 18:34.38 | varlon | jhutchins_lt, so, what? |
| 18:34.52 | jhutchins_lt | varlon: That's how sid works. |
| 18:35.04 | varlon | :) |
| 18:35.15 | dutchfish | hexoroid: actually 0500 might be enough in some situations |
| 18:35.25 | varlon | sid work so pretty ) but some times I have interestings quests :) |
| 18:35.26 | NiLon | dutchfish and maybe : instead of ; |
| 18:35.34 | hexoroid | dutchfish what do you mean by chown www-data |
| 18:35.34 | dutchfish | NiLon: yep |
| 18:35.55 | hexoroid | chown: missing operand after `www-data' |
| 18:36.15 | dutchfish | hexoroid: chown www-data:www-data [your dir] |
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| 18:36.24 | hile | dutchfish: and remember, someone needs to update them, and if it's not web user, he will have another problem later: as I said, he needs to understand what he is doing... |
| 18:36.43 | dutchfish | hile: yes, so true |
| 18:36.43 | hexoroid | dutchfish chown: `www-data:www-data': invalid user |
| 18:37.01 | dutchfish | hexoroid: man chown |
| 18:37.20 | hexoroid | do i need to select |
| 18:37.22 | hexoroid | apache as user ? |
| 18:37.28 | hexoroid | when i do chown |
| 18:37.40 | hexoroid | or my self hmmm |
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| 18:38.29 | hexoroid | dutchfish ? |
| 18:38.32 | jpapertowel | does debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso have dmraid or not |
| 18:39.16 | dutchfish | hexoroid: dpends on what you want, if you are root atm you can grant access to that dir for only the webserver or the webserver and a user |
| 18:39.19 | hexoroid | dutchfish because www-data doesnt exist |
| 18:39.31 | hexoroid | i only see apache2 user not www-data |
| 18:39.33 | hexoroid | anywhere |
| 18:39.38 | hexoroid | so i dont know |
| 18:39.47 | phorce1 | wols, jhutchins_lt : boom, irssi from the new system with the /home drive from the old one mounted |
| 18:39.53 | dutchfish | hexoroid: then what user your apache2 server is running on? |
| 18:40.03 | dutchfish | hexoroid: is this a debian system/ |
| 18:40.18 | hexoroid | yeah modded company gave it to me like that |
| 18:40.50 | hexoroid | dutchfish i think apache |
| 18:40.52 | hexoroid | apache:x:48:48:Apache |
| 18:41.04 | phorce1 | now to reinstall X etc <sigh> |
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| 18:43.17 | tzd | hi everyone! I'm trying to change the umask for a user but the change in /home/user/.bashrc doesn't seem to have any effect. Please help me someone? |
| 18:43.39 | dutchfish | hexoroid: ask the compagny, you can seriously damage the box if there are further mods added, like suexec, ask them first |
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| 18:46.13 | llutz | tzd: add it to ~/.profile too for login shells |
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| 18:46.33 | dutchfish | hexoroid: in any case, study apache/apache2 setup properly |
| 18:46.44 | hexoroid | i got it |
| 18:47.30 | hexoroid | dutchfish it was apache:apache |
| 18:47.30 | hexoroid | instead of www-data |
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| 18:47.31 | hexoroid | so i did chown apache:apache web.com |
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| 18:47.31 | hexoroid | and then chmod 0700 it ;) |
| 18:47.39 | dutchfish | hexoroid: or 0500 |
| 18:47.53 | dutchfish | hexoroid: then only root can alter it tho |
| 18:47.57 | hile | well, hope you did not break something else |
| 18:48.10 | hexoroid | whats better 0700 or 0500 ? |
| 18:48.16 | hile | like, some remote job which is supposed to update the content |
| 18:48.26 | dutchfish | hexoroid: if you are the owner and have root access then 0500 |
| 18:48.55 | tzd | llutz: thanks, i've tried that just now and i still get *rw*rw*rw* permissions when i create a new file... i want it to be rwx, I've set the umask to: 0000. What am i doing wrong? |
| 18:49.02 | dutchfish | hile: yes, but better a non-working part then a open box |
| 18:50.23 | llutz | tzd: "umask" says what? |
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| 18:51.23 | hile | dutchfish: it was not open box before, we can not know which accounts could read the files in shell: maybe it _was_ only valid accounts |
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| 18:51.49 | tzd | llutz: i've wrriten "umask 0000" in both .bashrc and .profile at the very end of both files |
| 18:51.52 | hile | anyway, impossible to say forus :) |
| 18:51.57 | dutchfish | hile: yes, but he hexoroid specifically asked for NO other users |
| 18:52.20 | llutz | tzd:and comman "umask" outputs 0000 |
| 18:52.41 | hexoroid | yes ;-) |
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| 18:53.28 | hile | yes he asked, but obviously he did not know what permissions it really should have in detail, so it can very easily be very much broken from now on. maybe we will hear about it tomorrow when updates fail :) |
| 18:53.34 | tzd | llutz: hmm yes it did... strange. After i've tried creating a new file by typing: touch newfile ... the file gets created with rw access for user, group and others, no execute rights though |
| 18:53.34 | llutz | tzd: files are created default 666, only dirs are 777 |
| 18:54.00 | dutchfish | hile: true |
| 18:54.24 | hile | dutchfish: less access is not always better, if for example system's role is to provide daily up-to-date files: if updates are broken, it's giving wrong data out ... |
| 18:54.36 | dutchfish | hile: but then again, better that an update inside apache fails then a hacke dbox |
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| 18:54.47 | llutz | tzd: wouldn't make sense to always create executable files (imho) |
| 18:55.16 | hile | well, hard to judge what was right |
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| 18:55.44 | llutz | tzd http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html |
| 18:55.53 | dutchfish | hile: true, bet then he should asked the comp. where he got the box from, apart from that there can be much more to at |
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| 18:56.27 | tzd | llutz: true, but all i want is to access my debian share via samba from a windows machine and then be able to delete the created files with my windows user. I'm in a home LAN so I haven't paid too much attention to different samba users etc. |
| 18:56.34 | hile | sure. that's why I said in the beginning that he should know better what is being changed before changing it... |
| 18:56.50 | dutchfish | hile: true |
| 18:57.05 | llutz | tzd: you don't need execute to delete files |
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| 18:59.53 | agdoku | Why do my md devices not show up automatically after boot |
| 19:00.04 | agdoku | and why are some not found with --auto-detect? |
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| 19:00.41 | phorce1 | is there a way to do a dpkg --get-selections against a root drive pulled from another system and mounted in /mnt? |
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| 19:01.02 | tzd | llutz: You're absolutely right, just tried it now and now it works! Thanks a bunch! The problem I had was, just like you pointed out so nicely to me, the .profile file that I've missed out on. |
| 19:01.10 | agdoku | they all say, they have a persistent superblock! |
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| 19:03.22 | xyan | phorce1: chroot into it and run dpkg --get-selections |
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| 19:05.18 | clamiax | hi |
| 19:05.35 | clamiax | Where can I get informations on why aMSN has been removed from squeeze? |
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| 19:05.55 | phorce1 | xyan: someone on OFTC pointed out an option I missed in the man page ... dpkg -root=<dir> |
| 19:06.10 | xyan | phorce1: dpkg --admindir /path/to/var/lib/dpkg --get-selections |
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| 19:06.15 | phorce1 | s/-root/--root/ |
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| 19:06.23 | hachiya | hi all... I notice there is an /etc/init.d/sysklogd but also a separate /etc/init.d/klogd - is sysklogd supposed to start both syslogd and klogd loggers? |
| 19:06.41 | xyan | phorce1: since --get-selection reads from /var/lib/dpkg/status i guess the --admindir is the right one? |
| 19:06.49 | jpapertowel | okay so i managed to install using dmraid=true but now i need a boot loader and apparently neither grub nor lilo support dmraid so i can't boot my system at all and it's making me extremely frustrated |
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| 19:07.12 | judge-- | Hey there. What's the difference between Debian Lenny and Debian Etch? |
| 19:07.18 | judge-- | wich one is better? |
| 19:07.40 | clamiax | judge--: to you, is it better Windows 95 or 98? |
| 19:07.50 | clamiax | well, or none :p |
| 19:07.53 | phorce1 | xyan: --root should make it look for /var and /usr and /lib under the newly defined root tree |
| 19:08.11 | phorce1 | xyan: I'll try both when I get that far. |
| 19:08.11 | judge-- | haha.. |
| 19:08.17 | judge-- | Lenny is the most recent, so? |
| 19:08.18 | heavenquake | judge--: Lenny is the newest stable, Etch is oldstable |
| 19:08.19 | clamiax | judge--: Etch is the previous stable release; Lenny is the current stable one. |
| 19:08.25 | phorce1 | xyan: thx. Waiting for "Desktop Environment" to finish installing then I'll give it a shot. Still have to grab the other 2 drives from the old system and get my mount points fixed |
| 19:08.30 | judge-- | thank you guys |
| 19:08.33 | xyan | phorce1: right reading that in the manpage, "Changing root changes instdir to dir and admindir to dir/var/lib/dpkg" |
| 19:09.06 | CodeNinja | not sure if this belongs here or openvz..... the other day I was having problems with a system kernel panicking at boot. I put the drive in a different system, system boots. However, neither eth port will come up on the hardware node, is there a way to rebuild something to make them work? |
| 19:09.19 | phorce1 | I started the X install before I decided to pull the root from the dead machine |
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| 19:17.15 | jpapertowel | need help installing grub |
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| 19:18.55 | rgr | jpapertowel: why are you installing grub? And what did you try? |
| 19:18.58 | icebrain | hi, what's the best terminal ID3 tags editor? |
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| 19:19.02 | johni | hello everybody . if I have version 1 of foo.deb installed and I install version 2 of foo.deb do prerm and postrm get executed? |
| 19:19.21 | jpapertowel | i just hit install grub loader at the end of the installer and it failed to install to /dev/mapper |
| 19:19.21 | xyan | icebrain: i like id3v2 |
| 19:19.54 | jpapertowel | rgr: do you suggest a better boot loader |
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| 19:21.04 | icebrain | xyan: ok, thanks |
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| 19:21.42 | rgr | jpapertowel: no. I was wondering why you were manually installing it. Sounds like oncorrectly identified device. Did you try booting from a live cd, mounting your primary drive, chrooting to it and the running grub-install? IF not try that - google will give you exact steps I daresay |
| 19:21.48 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 19:22.50 | jpapertowel | i'm using the grub install option after finishing a debian sid install with dmraid=true, and grub doesn't know what in the world dmraid is so i'm looking for a way to tell it what dmraid is |
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| 19:24.18 | xyan | jpapertowel: you need a custom devicemap according to your /dev/mapper/<raiddevice> and run grub-install with the --grub-mkdevicemap=<devicemap> file |
| 19:25.02 | judge-- | Opps! Err http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main openssl 0.9.8g-15 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] |
| 19:25.08 | judge-- | Seems something went wrong |
| 19:25.19 | xyan | judd: versions openssl |
| 19:25.21 | judd | openssl -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch4; etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch9; lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny6; sid: 0.9.8k-8; squeeze: 0.9.8k-8 |
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| 19:25.59 | xyan | judge--: did you update before trying to install? |
| 19:26.11 | judge-- | yes, I was thinking about it |
| 19:26.16 | jpapertowel | xyan: what would i have to do for a guide to this |
| 19:26.17 | judge-- | my repository may be out of date |
| 19:26.20 | judge-- | apt-get update? |
| 19:26.41 | judge-- | hum |
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| 19:27.35 | HackeMate | can i downgrade a package via apt or aptitude? |
| 19:27.41 | xyan | jpapertowel: google? well ls -l /dev/mapper/ note down the device name, take a look at /boot/System.map* files and create one like that with the correct /dev/mapper/<raiddevice> device |
| 19:27.45 | HackeMate | i want to install the wine-1.1.37 instead the current .38 |
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| 19:29.38 | jpapertowel | ah, so once I get to the grub installer step I should set it to install to /dev/mapper/devicename? |
| 19:29.57 | jpapertowel | (i'm 120% confused and google has done nothing for me after 40 minutes of searching) |
| 19:30.23 | JPT | hm.. *reads* |
| 19:30.31 | xyan | jpapertowel: might work i dunno, i didnt install with the d-i, using debootstrap rather and make changes myself |
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| 19:31.00 | xyan | HackeMate: you can aptitude install <pkg>=<version> if the version you want is on the mirror still |
| 19:31.27 | xyan | HackeMate: otherwise do a forced downgrade using dpkg --force-downgrade <pkg.deb> |
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| 19:32.18 | HackeMate | dpkg --force-downgrade doesn't requires unnistall the previous version I guess right? |
| 19:32.19 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, HackeMate |
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| 19:32.29 | HackeMate | :) |
| 19:32.30 | xyan | HackeMate: right |
| 19:32.49 | HackeMate | unparseable request is good or bad? :p |
| 19:32.59 | xyan | HackeMate: but be careful, since dpkg doesnt know of dependencies |
| 19:33.12 | HackeMate | ok, I will try |
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| 19:34.36 | CodeNinja | nvm, my eth ports were renamed :\ |
| 19:35.29 | judge-- | when I install something with apt-get install, is it possible to change the parameter passed to 'configure' that program install? I mean, what happens if the package I installed doesn't have a feature enabled by deafult, wich can be done with ./configure --enable-feature=foo,bar |
| 19:35.59 | xyan | judge--: apt-get loads binary debs, its precompiled |
| 19:36.14 | xyan | add deb-src lines to your sources.list |
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| 19:36.19 | xyan | and apt-get source <pkg> |
| 19:36.19 | judge-- | it means that If I want that, I soulnd't use pat-get |
| 19:36.22 | judge-- | apt* |
| 19:36.30 | judge-- | hum |
| 19:36.37 | RfAFdlS | do ltsp-build-client. Fails. why it says that there is no place, even though partition 2 GB. http://code.shareservices.net/code.php?id=320 ? Why??? |
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| 19:37.10 | judge-- | xyan where can I find the urls of the source repositories? |
| 19:37.19 | judge-- | a trustfull source |
| 19:37.27 | xyan | judge--: same as the normal ones just deb-src instead of deb |
| 19:37.38 | judge-- | ah sure, thanks |
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| 19:37.57 | xyan | !tell judge-- about package recompile |
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| 19:39.52 | jpapertowel | hurrah! telling grub to install to /dev/mapper/isw_ecjegrewgdb_WDRAID instead of /dev/mapper worked! |
| 19:40.32 | xyan | jpapertowel: easy as pie :) |
| 19:41.07 | jpapertowel | nevermind lol, system booted up - error: no such device: ... Entering rescue mode... |
| 19:41.24 | jpapertowel | any idea what I should do from grub rescue> |
| 19:41.36 | xyan | help |
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| 19:41.56 | xyan | jpapertowel: does ls show anything? |
| 19:42.01 | jpapertowel | Unknown command 'help' |
| 19:42.15 | jpapertowel | it shows (hd0) |
| 19:42.40 | xyan | thats grub2? |
| 19:43.15 | jpapertowel | aye |
| 19:43.24 | xyan | try insmod raid |
| 19:43.36 | xyan | and see if ls shows more than just the plain disk |
| 19:43.46 | linduxed | hey guys, ive got two SATA drives that i hook up through eSATA. i was wondering if mirroring them is possible (ive heard about a thing called RAID) and whether it's a good idea |
| 19:43.57 | jpapertowel | xyan: error: unknown filesystem. |
| 19:44.26 | xyan | jpapertowel: set root=(hd0) |
| 19:44.48 | jpapertowel | xyan: done |
| 19:45.06 | xyan | ls (hd0)/ shows? |
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| 19:45.32 | jpapertowel | xyan: error: unknown filesystem. |
| 19:45.56 | xyan | :/ |
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| 19:46.45 | xyan | well your pretty much stuck since (hd0) is a disk itself and there are no partitions like (hd0,1) so you cant do much here |
| 19:47.08 | xyan | loading modules like raid needs access to /boot which you cant reach as it seems |
| 19:47.33 | jpapertowel | guess i'm going back to windows and waiting till debian has better raid support :( |
| 19:47.45 | xyan | jpapertowel: sw raid ftw |
| 19:48.23 | netAction | Hello! I have a SVN server with code. Want to build it nightly and put it on our website. How can I prevent security issues? Someone could write everything in the code and has all rights the user of the cron has. Is a chroot the only way? |
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| 19:50.06 | OpenTokix | netAction: Why not use sane permission, no need to run the compile as root? |
| 19:50.06 | nooper | netAction: selinux can stop it from doing anything more than you want. |
| 19:50.11 | nooper | but its complicated |
| 19:51.00 | netAction | not as root. But running as user foo is not really better on a server with webspaces where people have password everywhere. |
| 19:51.08 | nsadmin | netAction: back it up regularly |
| 19:51.45 | nsadmin | is the code supposed to be available to public? |
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| 19:52.19 | netAction | No the code is not public but I want to give some people commit rights on the server. |
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| 19:53.26 | netAction | Only the code of the stable versions will be published on the website. |
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| 19:54.13 | nsadmin | I have to go... but you'll want to be MUCH more specific about "security issues", what specifically do you feel insecure about and how do you expect/want your server to behave securely |
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| 19:54.57 | netAction | Do you know how other projects do it? They all have many developers and nightly builds. |
| 19:56.33 | Arrowmaster | jpapertowel: grub2 doesnt support dmraid afaik, you have to use grub1 |
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| 19:57.12 | jpapertowel | what in the world, is grub updating backwards |
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| 19:57.42 | netAction | nsadmin: I mean that someone includes /etc/passwd in the code and reads it in the build the next morning. |
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| 19:58.26 | Arrowmaster | jpapertowel: are you using ext4 or something too? |
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| 19:59.17 | Arrowmaster | because the installer shouldnt have even let you use grub2 if you were using dmraid |
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| 19:59.38 | elipsoid | Hi |
| 19:59.41 | netAction | nsadmin: Or someone commits a makefile that opens a shell for that person while building. |
| 19:59.44 | Arrowmaster | but i know that it used to get confused when trying to use both ext4 and dmraid |
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| 20:00.22 | jpapertowel | i'm using sid business card installer with dmraid=true and ext4 |
| 20:00.37 | Arrowmaster | guess it must still be an issue |
| 20:00.40 | Amach | Hi... where can I find the Etch cd isos? Oldstable. I've got a laptop (IBM Thinkpad 560 - with 133mhz and 32MB ram) and don't think it can handle newer versino than etch. Have found sarge, but want to try etch first. |
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| 20:02.32 | elipsoid | Does anyone ever had troubles getting the ethernet adaptater realtek RTL8168B/8111B up to work ? I tried to disable the r8169 driver and to recompile the r8168 driver like they say on some ubuntu report. But I can't patch it 'cause the patch is too old for my version of the driver. I assumed it would work : dmesg isn't getting any error. Any idea ? (i'm on debian sid 2.6.32; please don't say me it's the "sid", i'm pretty sure it won't work on a stable |
| 20:02.32 | elipsoid | one too) |
| 20:02.55 | Arrowmaster | i got around it by installing first using ext3 and unselecting everything so it installed as little as possible, then i went back and installed it again using ext4 but kept the ext2 /boot from the previous install and told it not to install a boot loader, later i went in and installed the grub-legacy package |
| 20:03.03 | Amach | msg dpkg etch doesn't tell me where to find it |
| 20:03.12 | wols | elipsoid: firmware-linux in non-free |
| 20:03.32 | elipsoid | Ok, i'm gonna take a look at it. Thanks. |
| 20:03.36 | jpapertowel | Arrowmaster: that sounds like a really dirty solution i think i'll wait till it's fixed some day i guess |
| 20:04.06 | Arrowmaster | im not even using dmraid anymore though |
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| 20:06.45 | Amarande | I've never quite understood using RAID on a personal debian box |
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| 20:06.58 | Amarande | I mean, when I use Linux, I find I usually use a really small fraction of the diskspace I use on Windows |
| 20:07.09 | Amarande | and even on Windows I only ever used like half of this 500GB drive, which is a pretty common size now |
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| 20:07.35 | nooper | Amarande: how do you protect your personal data on linux against disk failure? |
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| 20:08.05 | elipsoid | wols, should work as soon as it's installed ? I never used one of these packages and I can't find some general informations, like how to use it, or what it contains, what it provides ... |
| 20:08.07 | jpapertowel | Arrowmaster: it's because i already have a windows partition using it |
| 20:08.30 | Amarande | nooper: regularly burning stuff I actually want to keep to DVD+R |
| 20:08.40 | wols | !r8168 |
| 20:08.42 | Amarande | which usually results in even less actual hard disk space being used |
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| 20:09.06 | wols | elipsoid: what pci id has your NIC? |
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| 20:09.09 | nooper | Amarande: you mean you remove it from your HD after burning it? |
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| 20:09.42 | wols | judd: pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 20:09.43 | _Dave123_ | i want to install debian netinst as vbox instance, i am on amd64, i386 <- is this the right netinst package? |
| 20:09.44 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 20:09.50 | elipsoid | 07:00.0 0200: 10ec:8168 (rev 01) |
| 20:10.11 | wols | elipsoid: _should_ work out of the box. what did dmesg say? |
| 20:10.35 | wols | _Dave123_: amd64 is the 64bit one, i386 is the 32bit one |
| 20:10.57 | wols | vbox can have 32 or 64bit guests, whatever you wantz |
| 20:11.05 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 20:11.10 | _Dave123_ | so won't be bad to use 32bit |
| 20:11.16 | wols | usually a 64bit guest is not worth it |
| 20:11.20 | _Dave123_ | wols: ok |
| 20:11.23 | wols | 32bit is fine. rarely has a VM more than 4GB |
| 20:11.26 | jandro | Hi guys, I'm struggling setting a NFS share on the client side. The mount point for the share has spaces in between, I've tried backslashing the spaces, quoting the path, and single quoting it, but doesn't work. Anyone knows the way to do it? |
| 20:11.45 | _Dave123_ | wols: what steps can you recommened me if I like to just install a basic webserver (with mysql and php support) on a vbox guest sys? |
| 20:11.50 | elipsoid | dmesg says it works, but I still can't get the internet. I'm a student and I moved in the campus, which as only a wall ethernet plug. They tell me : plug into it, then use dhcp, then authentify. I can't pass the dhcp part. I can paste you my dmesg out, some ethtool -i ... |
| 20:11.53 | jandro | I am talking about the /etc/fstab file of course. |
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| 20:12.27 | wols | Dave2: install debian, install nothing in the tasksel step and afterwards install apache, mysql and php5 |
| 20:12.42 | wols | elipsoid: what does dmesg say? |
| 20:13.14 | wols | whne you plug the cable in, there should be a "eth0 up" and a speed at what it connects in the kernel log |
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| 20:13.29 | robd | Hey guys |
| 20:13.40 | elipsoid | I try to unplug and replug it. 2 seconds |
| 20:13.41 | wols | hey sweetheart |
| 20:13.47 | robd | Anyone here running Etch or Lenny on a Dell server? |
| 20:14.04 | elipsoid | r8168: eth0: link up |
| 20:14.05 | wols | robd: you asked a metaquestion and god killed a kitten |
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| 20:14.23 | pokoko222 | why is debian good for networking? |
| 20:14.27 | wols | elipsoid: so it works. does your campus network filter for MAC? |
| 20:14.28 | elipsoid | It recognized that I pluged it out and in. I try the dhcp part |
| 20:14.33 | robd | wols: I always figure we all do home brew systems here... |
| 20:14.34 | jpinx-eeepc | thought it was a pussy |
| 20:14.50 | robd | wols: Didn't know if anyone has stepped it up to the big leagues |
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| 20:14.55 | robd | wols: (comparatively) |
| 20:15.01 | elipsoid | It wouldn't ... There's a password authentification after the dhcp part. |
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| 20:15.20 | robd | I'm kind of hoping to get the Dell OpenManage software installed on Debian. I just checked it out on a Red Hat system and it looks great. |
| 20:15.35 | elipsoid | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 |
| 20:15.45 | wols | e |
| 20:15.45 | robd | I've been Googling around and found some info for the ancient versions of OpenManage, but I was wondering if anyone got one of the more recent versions to work with Etch or Lenny |
| 20:15.46 | elipsoid | Keeps raising the interval, as if there were no response |
| 20:16.05 | wols | elipsoid: what does ifconfig -a say? is your r8168 eth0 or is it another interface? |
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| 20:16.18 | elipsoid | so you think that's not a problem comming from me, but something which they'll have to deal with ? |
| 20:16.22 | elipsoid | Yep it's eth0 |
| 20:16.37 | wols | elipsoid: imho yes. the driver loads, it detects signal, etc |
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| 20:16.45 | elipsoid | I also have a wlan0 active now. But doesn't change anything if I unactivate it :s |
| 20:16.55 | wols | dunno what more you could do. if you have a windows cd, you could try that? |
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| 20:17.46 | pokoko222 | yo bitches why is debian good for networking? |
| 20:17.50 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 20:18.00 | robd | pokoko222: What kind of networking are you referring to? |
| 20:18.09 | DanDare | Hello. This is a bug or am I missing something: Removed all the sites I have with a2dissite, including 'default' site. Stoped apache2. Removed any 'Indexes' option on sites available on sites-available directory. Started apache2. After this if I point browser to http://IP it does the job not showing files, if i point browser to http://IP/nma it loads a site structure there. Now if I write back on browser address bar http://IP apache |
| 20:18.13 | pokoko222 | networkd adiministration |
| 20:18.15 | elipsoid | Ok wols, i'm just gonna shout on them monday ... That internet access costs about 15$ ... But I was pretty sure that when I'd tell them that I had debian sid on my computer, they'll say it was my fault. So I had to check with some more experienced guy if it was my fault. Thank you wols |
| 20:18.34 | robd | pokoko222: Like firewalls and routing? |
| 20:19.00 | pokoko222 | like anything |
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| 20:20.01 | elipsoid | Hate them :( I have to take that lamy wifi spot which deauthenticate me if I move the computer a centimeter around (even my body influates the signal :x) |
| 20:20.06 | robd | pokoko222: Well it's Linux so it's pretty dynamic, you can turn it into a makeshift appliance of any kind. (firewall, loadbalancer, router...) |
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| 20:20.29 | pokoko222 | yeah u cant do similar shit with windows |
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| 20:20.36 | robd | pokoko222: oh, Windows crashes |
| 20:20.43 | pokoko222 | lol :D |
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| 20:20.56 | pokoko222 | that is why i got read of it for life |
| 20:21.11 | robd | pokoko222: Honestly the Windows networking stack sucks, there's a lot of really cool inefficient bits that will slow down connections or corrupt things |
| 20:21.27 | robd | pokoko222: plus the crashing... so if you're going for any kind of reliability I'd run the other wya |
| 20:21.39 | elipsoid | Yes, but the windows networking thing maybe easier to set up sometimes =) |
| 20:21.40 | pokoko222 | yeah from what i hear so far debian is the GOD for network administration |
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| 20:23.42 | wols | pokoko222: debian is a linux distro. nothing special compared to the others. it uses the same software |
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| 20:24.38 | robd | pokoko222: Check out http://www.pfsense.com it's got a *very* nice web gui and it's built on top of FreeBSD so it's rock solid. (You'll get like 2 years uptime on it no problem) |
| 20:25.07 | robd | Anyone here using Dell OpenManage on Debian 4.0 or Debian 5.0? |
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| 20:25.27 | robd | I'd love to find someone using the 6.x release of Dell OpenManage on Debian |
| 20:25.31 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.38 | robd | wols: What's so bad about this? |
| 20:25.50 | wols | read the factoid for a change |
| 20:26.04 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.14 | RichiH | i need to _block_ all incoming DHCP requests on one interface. as iptables will not work, i am not sure if that is possbile |
| 20:26.20 | RichiH | but i need to do it nonetheless |
| 20:26.28 | RichiH | suggestions? |
| 20:26.37 | HackeMate | how can i enable the "gtk styles and fonts" option in my system preferences using gnome? |
| 20:26.41 | robd | wols: got it |
| 20:26.52 | robd | I'd like someone to do a lot of work for me and port Dell OpenManage to Debian for me |
| 20:26.58 | HackeMate | i installed the gtk2-engines-qtcurve |
| 20:27.06 | wols | RichiH: blocking port 67 udp+tcp no workie? |
| 20:27.16 | HackeMate | well, also gtk-qt-engine |
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| 20:29.46 | _Dave123_ | when installing debian, is it recommended to install a seperated /home partition? |
| 20:30.03 | streuner_ | no |
| 20:30.08 | elipsoid | that's your choice |
| 20:30.11 | wols | do as you wish |
| 20:30.41 | _Dave123_ | but in general, for example for a webserver, is it better? |
| 20:30.49 | gothenburg | 21:30:19 <erik> Efterfest på svt.se |
| 20:30.49 | gothenburg | 21:30:24 <erik> "Missa inte det om ni äger ett internet." |
| 20:30.51 | elipsoid | If you wanna define quotas, or prevent /home to fulfill your harddrive, do it. If you don't care ( like you're the only user, and you can watch what you're doing), don't do it |
| 20:31.04 | _Dave123_ | ok got it |
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| 20:32.28 | RichiH | wols: i amy be wrong, but must dhcp not be a layer 2 protocol? |
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| 20:34.39 | sinfangbous | hey folks |
| 20:34.42 | johnek | Hi, any one know any magic-scritp, whats can meter net bandwidth per user? |
| 20:35.32 | sinfangbous | i've been trying to figure out why my mysql server is no longer accepting external connections.. i've come to the conclusion that the system firewall is blocking, or something on the machine is blocking 3306 |
| 20:36.05 | sinfangbous | any ideas how i could figure out what's blocking 3306? i've been through everything i can think of on the actual mysql server in terms of giving external access |
| 20:36.53 | Amarande | sinfangbous, do netstat -a and make sure something isn't already using that port? |
| 20:36.57 | elipsoid | iptables ? |
| 20:37.09 | sinfangbous | elipsoid: i set iptables rules to open up the port |
| 20:37.15 | sinfangbous | Amarande: let me check again |
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| 20:37.45 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.47 | wols | see this? |
| 20:38.18 | Amach | hi... where can I find etch isos? |
| 20:38.18 | Amarande | Johnek, welcome to 2010, metered bandwidth is a 2000's and 20th century thing :) |
| 20:38.31 | Amarande | even web hosts apparently did away with it fairly recently |
| 20:38.41 | elipsoid | (wikipedia says dhcp might be on the seventh layer, instead of being on the second one (but that's wikipedia.fr :x)) |
| 20:39.05 | sinfangbous | Amarande: i see just "tcp 0 0 localhost:mysql *:* LISTEN "... and a line about the mysql .sock |
| 20:39.19 | sinfangbous | i don't see anything about 3306 |
| 20:39.29 | RichiH | wols: you are right |
| 20:39.33 | Amarande | sinfangbous, try netstat -an |
| 20:39.36 | RichiH | wols: ah, too late, but yes :) |
| 20:39.40 | RichiH | wols: thanks a lot :) |
| 20:40.09 | elipsoid | sinfangbous, and grep 3306 :x |
| 20:40.28 | sinfangbous | i see 3306 there, "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN " |
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| 20:40.56 | sinfangbous | that's weird, i opened it up to the external ip |
| 20:41.01 | elipsoid | so you have the server listening on the right port. |
| 20:41.48 | sinfangbous | yeah, but the 127.0.0.1 business, would it accept external connections? |
| 20:42.17 | nsadmin | how do you tell aptituce "download only" at cli? |
| 20:42.48 | tabashco | sinfangbous: check the bind-address setting in your my.cnf |
| 20:43.12 | sinfangbous | tabashco: i've tried 127.0.0.1, the server IP, and just commenting it out |
| 20:44.12 | sinfangbous | i've been recommended all three |
| 20:44.27 | elipsoid | 127.0.0.0 means localhost, means your computer |
| 20:44.27 | elipsoid | so yes, it looks like your server is running well. Check upper, like if you have an adslbox, a router, an obscure iptable table ... |
| 20:44.34 | tabashco | have you tried 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 20:44.42 | sinfangbous | tabashco: no, i haven't |
| 20:45.30 | sinfangbous | elipsoid: yeah i will have to double check iptables... outside of that, it's a colocated server about 2500 miles from here, so might be tough to check anything above |
| 20:46.19 | elipsoid | Have you tried another port, or try to mail the owners of the server ? |
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| 20:46.38 | sinfangbous | elipsoid: i haven't yet, this just happened yesterday |
| 20:46.41 | LaydgirL | selam |
| 20:46.48 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder ... do you get servers ending up like that if Debian boots and starts a server before DHCP is complete? |
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| 20:47.07 | elipsoid | ( but try what tabashco says first, i'm not an expert :x ) |
| 20:47.11 | sinfangbous | okay |
| 20:47.14 | sinfangbous | let me give it a sho |
| 20:47.14 | sinfangbous | t |
| 20:47.31 | Amarande | i.e., eth0 isn't ready yet, so it binds the server to lo and it doesn't get rebound after eth0 comes up? |
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| 20:48.29 | sinfangbous | hrmm |
| 20:48.35 | elipsoid | Would be weird ... But I assume he can't know since it's a 2500 mile-away server :s |
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| 20:48.37 | LaydgirL | /ame Sex Can I click Login http://www.seslibitanem.com |
| 20:48.37 | LaydgirL | Sex Can I click Login http://www.chatvebiz.tr.gg |
| 20:48.38 | LaydgirL | http://www.seslibitanem.com :) http://www.chatvebiz.tr.gg :) |
| 20:48.38 | LaydgirL | [] |
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| 20:48.55 | sinfangbous | ha |
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| 20:50.24 | sinfangbous | no dice on the 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:50.34 | sinfangbous | unless mysql is using a my.cnf file in a different location |
| 20:50.51 | sinfangbous | than /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 20:51.22 | elipsoid | You can easily test that by moving it to my.cnf.bak and reloading the server |
| 20:51.34 | elipsoid | But it shoud just be fine |
| 20:51.52 | manixor | How can I see all channels from freenode? |
| 20:52.03 | sinfangbous | elipsoid: if i do that it'll just default, right? |
| 20:52.11 | tabashco | sinfangbous: ps ax | grep mysql should show you some details too |
| 20:52.13 | overmind | manixor: Type /list |
| 20:52.22 | elipsoid | Yeah, it'll echo that the conf is missing |
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| 20:52.40 | manixor | overmind Thanks. |
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| 20:53.26 | sinfangbous | tabashco: i just seee /usr/bin/mysqld_safe, /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-external-locking --port=3306, and logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i -t mysqld |
| 20:54.23 | sinfangbous | it's the right my.cnf |
| 20:55.25 | elipsoid | well i've no idea. Are you sure that's not working :/ |
| 20:56.21 | sinfangbous | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:57.33 | tabashco | can you paste another netstat -an | grep 3306? |
| 20:57.42 | sinfangbous | if i want to provide both local access and external access for a user, i just leave the host field blank, correct? or with a wildcard |
| 20:57.58 | sinfangbous | tabashco: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
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| 20:59.15 | tabashco | did you change my.cnf back to 127.0.0.1? you will need to bind to an external ip (or 0.0.0.0) and make sure you restart mysql after you change my.cnf |
| 20:59.25 | Astounding | Can someone please help? I've bricked my thinkpad |
| 20:59.44 | sinfangbous | tabashco: yeah that's weird, no i didn't change it back |
| 21:00.06 | sinfangbous | tabashco: bind-address = 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:00.42 | sinfangbous | tabashco: and i am restarting it |
| 21:00.47 | Astounding | I was trying to hackintosh and I think it installed chameleon bootloader or something, anyway my attempts ended in "boot0: error" and so I ran windows startup repair then erased osx and it repaired my MBR. But then when i went to dual boot debian, after finishing install and rebooting, "boot0:error" has returned, so in a final desperate attempt I booted off my debian installer, then wiped the ENTIRE drive |
| 21:00.50 | Astounding | installed debian again |
| 21:00.54 | Astounding | and STILL boot0: error |
| 21:00.55 | Astounding | =\ |
| 21:02.03 | sinfangbous | restarting it a la /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
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| 21:02.21 | sinfangbous | tabashco: should that read 0.0.0.0:3306 instead of 127.0.0.1:3306 |
| 21:02.33 | phorce1 | kmjnhbgv |
| 21:02.56 | tabashco | sinfangbous: yeah, that's what the netstat should show |
| 21:03.06 | sinfangbous | tabashco: hrmm |
| 21:03.20 | phorce1 | OK, mounts, X, and screen seem to be OK. |
| 21:03.22 | tabashco | i would check the mysqld log file, i'm not exactly sure where it is on debian's version |
| 21:03.30 | phorce1 | hates recovering from a dead MoBo |
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| 21:03.39 | tabashco | perhaps /var/log/mysql.err? |
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| 21:03.41 | sinfangbous | yeah |
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| 21:04.24 | sinfangbous | interesting, mysql.err and mysql.log are empty |
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| 21:04.55 | sinfangbous | oh i see, errors go to syslog |
| 21:05.35 | tabashco | what a bout daemon.log? sometimes it puts messages there too |
| 21:06.05 | sinfangbous | yeah it apparently does |
| 21:06.37 | sinfangbous | the only thing i see that is strange is [Warning] Found an entry in the 'db' table with empty database name; Skipped |
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| 21:07.39 | sinfangbous | tabashco: one thing i do see is when i restart mysqld: /etc/mysql/debian-start: line 27: check_root_accounts: command not found |
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| 21:08.52 | unless | Hello, anyone can help me? |
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| 21:10.27 | numen | unless whats ur problem? |
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| 21:10.34 | unless | Hello numen |
| 21:10.40 | amphi | !tell unless -about ask |
| 21:10.44 | sinfangbous | otherwise i just see mysql-bin logs |
| 21:10.49 | numen | gg |
| 21:10.51 | unless | I want to install a Debian server |
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| 21:11.07 | unless | And i want help with the partitions size |
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| 21:12.06 | unless | I wish to install Ruby on Rails, Mysql and git or subversion |
| 21:13.04 | sinfangbous | maybe it is pulling this bind-address from somewhere else |
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| 21:13.27 | Amarande | unless: how large is the drive as a whole? |
| 21:13.38 | unless | 40gb |
| 21:13.46 | Amarande | oy. :| |
| 21:13.47 | unless | 512mb ram |
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| 21:13.57 | Amarande | I think you're gonna need a bigger boat. |
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| 21:14.20 | sinfangbous | crazy |
| 21:14.30 | elipsoid | heum, i'm not sure of what i'm gonna say, but I think the netstat output is right. Local bind : 127.0.0.1:3306 means the server is on the local computer at port 3306 and 0.0.0.0:* means that it accept connections from any ip. Am I right ? |
| 21:14.31 | unless | Why? |
| 21:14.41 | elipsoid | apt-cache search what you're aiming for |
| 21:14.43 | elipsoid | sorry I didn't see the messages before the last one :x |
| 21:14.46 | Amarande | unless: 40GB simply doesn't seem to be enough space for a serious server these days |
| 21:14.56 | simonrvn | um, you can pull it off |
| 21:15.04 | unless | Amarande :( |
| 21:15.04 | elipsoid | Don't mock on 40gb hard drives :x I've got one just under my feets :p |
| 21:15.22 | simonrvn | i do it on 36 |
| 21:15.24 | Amarande | that would be like me using my iPod as a storage space for a server |
| 21:15.31 | unless | :D |
| 21:15.41 | Amarande | btw, is gtkpod still legal, or is it destined to be yanked in squeeze? |
| 21:15.42 | simonrvn | mind you, i wouldn't say it's a *modern* server *grin* |
| 21:15.53 | unless | Look |
| 21:15.54 | Amarande | I read that Apple was having a steaming s**t fit about the hash stuff |
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| 21:15.57 | Amach | I have an old IBM thinking sitting around here... 32MB of ram, 133 Mhz cpu. Should I put Sarge or Etch on this thing? |
| 21:15.59 | linduxed | is there a way to have vnstat check bandwidth usage for specific users? |
| 21:16.01 | linduxed | (and subsequently processes, because i guess that's what it would have to monitor) |
| 21:16.18 | linduxed | Amach: why not lenny? |
| 21:16.26 | simonrvn | apple can suck itself, esp. jobs. |
| 21:16.36 | unless | Amarande: /dev/hda1 4.0G 1.4G 2.5G 36% / |
| 21:16.40 | Amarande | simonrvn, the point is I currently have an iPod. :) |
| 21:16.52 | Amarande | It's a video from some years ago. 30GB. |
| 21:17.04 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 21:17.05 | Amarande | is scratching my head now on whether it's actually legal anymore to use gtkpod with it |
| 21:17.23 | simonrvn | um, i would say so. |
| 21:17.28 | Amarande | although the s**tstorm seems to be concerning hash72, which is only seen on newer ipods |
| 21:17.37 | simonrvn | why? it's your hardware, and your content. |
| 21:17.38 | Amarande | smooth move by apple on that though :| |
| 21:18.00 | Amarande | Yeah, and it doesn't have the hash under concern. |
| 21:18.01 | unless | Well, i gonna follow my hearth |
| 21:18.19 | unless | That not helped me :( |
| 21:18.20 | Amarande | Apparently, what Apple did to force iTunes lockin on the newest ipods was just smooth and evil |
| 21:18.41 | Amarande | They ... made the hash protecting the iTunesDB from third party editing apparently based on hashing used by their actual DRM |
| 21:18.46 | unless | By the way, thanks |
| 21:18.49 | Amarande | so that if anyone messes with it they hit "DRM circumvention" :| |
| 21:18.50 | Amach | I don' think it's supported http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en |
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| 21:21.20 | simonrvn | "fair use" or "being able to use your own stuff" doesn't count in that, i.e., accessibility i suppose |
| 21:21.57 | Amarande | yeah, it's probably more of a dev issue |
| 21:22.14 | Amarande | of course, that might mean gtkpod disappearing eventually anyway, as they'll probably hit a point where upstream maintenance is no longer possible |
| 21:22.21 | Amarande | and packages that don't receive upstream updating anymore tend to die a quick death |
| 21:22.29 | cromag | lige nu er der prisen for åretes birolle |
| 21:22.50 | Amarande | (then again, this is one of the good things about debian, the time between releases is fairly relaxed, unlike fedora where such packages are here today and gone in an hour) |
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| 21:24.42 | simonrvn | stays away from rpms and rpm distros |
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| 21:25.18 | simonrvn | unlesupstream is in the distro itself :P |
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| 21:25.34 | Amarande | simonrvn, all I can think looking at fedora is "I really hope for its users' sake that it has something like dist-upgrade" |
| 21:25.43 | simonrvn | blah, damned load |
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| 21:26.52 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 21:30.01 | meowbuntu | hi is there an official debian live cd out there pfreferabbly 5.0.4 |
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| 21:31.09 | iceroot | meowbuntu: debian.org :) |
| 21:31.47 | _Dave123_ | is there a way i can see how much ram i have in debian? |
| 21:31.57 | simonrvn | `free' |
| 21:31.58 | JPT | free -m |
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| 21:32.26 | simonrvn | -m shows it in MB =) |
| 21:32.32 | _Dave123_ | thx |
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| 21:33.18 | meowbuntu | iceroot, really i have not seen any there |
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| 21:34.13 | adb | meowbuntu, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ |
| 21:34.53 | Amach | I need help determining which version of Debian to install on a thinkpad 560 ... it has a p133 htz processor and 32 MB of ram |
| 21:35.10 | wols | Amach: to be hones: none |
| 21:35.19 | Arrowmaster | any version will work |
| 21:35.27 | wols | Arrowmaster: no |
| 21:35.32 | _Dave123_ | on a small debian system, with just small webhost, is 224mb ram in use of 250 total normal? |
| 21:35.42 | Amarande | _Dave123_, yes. |
| 21:35.48 | meowbuntu | hey whats a .img file |
| 21:35.50 | wols | lenny and probably etch need at least 48MB or so or apt-get will not run |
| 21:35.51 | Amarande | Linux makes very aggressive use of RAM |
| 21:36.06 | Amarande | the Linux Way is pretty much to keep as much as possible cached in the RAM that programs are not using |
| 21:36.13 | wols | _Dave123_: free ram is wasted ram |
| 21:36.23 | _Dave123_ | for linux principles ;) |
| 21:36.25 | Amach | wos ... so sarge then is my only choice |
| 21:36.30 | Amach | wols* |
| 21:36.36 | Amarande | therefore, the kernel will use nearly all the RAM you give it, even if much is actually free for apps still |
| 21:36.47 | wols | Amach: run a distro optimized for low ram useage, DSL, puppy or such |
| 21:36.48 | Amarande | you're okay. :) |
| 21:37.04 | meowbuntu | Amach, if you want a light version and are ok with building your own get the net install. then install the light apps you need |
| 21:37.26 | _Dave123_ | any ideas how come visudo is not a known command? |
| 21:37.26 | wols | meowbuntu: how does this help him if apt-get will not run? |
| 21:37.29 | _Dave123_ | i am root |
| 21:37.39 | mentor | _Dave123_: Look at the +/- buffers line of free to see how much is used by applications |
| 21:37.40 | Arrowmaster | _Dave123_: is sudo installed? |
| 21:37.40 | meowbuntu | wols, i missed that |
| 21:37.43 | wols | _Dave123_: is sudo installed? |
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| 21:38.02 | Amach | wols ok will look into those |
| 21:38.14 | _Dave123_ | ah sorry |
| 21:38.20 | wols | meowbuntu: well, it will run if debian is installed, but while installing it will run out of ram |
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| 21:39.06 | TMM | hi all! Switched back from ubuntu to debian after 4 years :) |
| 21:39.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont think sudo is installed by default, although i always use the expert mode of the installer and have it install and setup sudo for me |
| 21:39.35 | tilen | wols re |
| 21:39.54 | Amarande | hmm lenny installs sudo by default |
| 21:40.00 | TMM | got sick of having to weed out non-free crap myself :) |
| 21:40.17 | tilen | amarande debian not install sudo by default |
| 21:40.23 | meowbuntu | Amach, can i pm you |
| 21:40.51 | Amarande | tilen: well at least it does it when you install the usual desktop stuff with tasksel anyway |
| 21:41.04 | wols | Amach: that is definitely not "default" |
| 21:41.11 | wols | Amarande: ^^ |
| 21:41.33 | Amach | meowbuntu: yes |
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| 21:41.43 | drekkett | afaik you must choose whether install sudo or use root acount |
| 21:42.08 | wols | drekkett: no |
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| 21:42.32 | drekkett | i don't have sudo on my debian |
| 21:42.53 | tilen | its not installed by default |
| 21:43.14 | sepult | it is installed but not configured by default |
| 21:43.22 | numen | thats strange |
| 21:43.23 | sepult | would that be more correct ? |
| 21:43.29 | wols | drekkett: debian asks you on install for a rootpassword. and it installs su by default. everytime |
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| 21:43.48 | wols | sepult: it is not installed, period. and if you install it, you need to configure it yourself |
| 21:43.54 | drekkett | maybe you're right |
| 21:44.03 | drekkett | i'm not an expert |
| 21:44.29 | sepult | wols: ok then i never did ask for installing sudo as such, how did it get there then ? by deps ? |
| 21:44.32 | numen | the postfix problem is still there... |
| 21:44.47 | wols | sepult: tasksel is evil |
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| 21:44.53 | sepult | ah |
| 21:44.54 | sepult | ok |
| 21:46.13 | sepult | i even disabled sudo support for bash im my lfs build, by disabling sudo in the config and only enabling pam with su |
| 21:46.23 | sepult | heh |
| 21:46.43 | wols | bash has support for sudo? in what way? |
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| 21:47.05 | Arrowmaster | wols: expert install asks you if you want to use sudo and leave the root password blank or set a root password and use su |
| 21:47.21 | tilen | lol |
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| 21:47.56 | sepult | i always use root password and use su, when installing debian, but never the less sudo gets installed too, by deps |
| 21:47.56 | sepult | i think |
| 21:48.05 | wols | Arrowmaster: never noticed it. could a new lenny thing. I rarely install debian to be honest. no need |
| 21:48.28 | Arrowmaster | sepult: if you installed a desktop environment gksu or kdesu was probably installed and as a result sudo was pulled in |
| 21:48.32 | elipsoid | see you |
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| 21:48.46 | elipsoid | and thanks |
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| 21:49.16 | sepult | Arrowmaster: it asked me if i wanted to use kdesudo, which i denied |
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| 21:49.35 | sepult | Arrowmaster: i think my default for desktop is kdesu |
| 21:50.01 | sepult | Arrowmaster: cause evertime i have to change something as admin, i have to type in my root passwd |
| 21:50.20 | Arrowmaster | i dont get why people use su over sudo, with sudo -s i dont have to setup customizations for roots shell too |
| 21:50.49 | Arrowmaster | which is what always annoyed me about su |
| 21:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | Arrowmaster: there are things that don't work in sudo, and there are reasons you want root's environment to be seperate and different. |
| 21:51.00 | drekkett | i simply don't like sudo |
| 21:51.05 | sepult | Arrowmaster: sudo is more complicated, it has to be setup properly |
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| 21:51.51 | sepult | Arrowmaster: there is no default config which is sane, other than that root is allowed to sudo from everywhere with |
| 21:51.51 | sepult | all options open |
| 21:52.38 | meowbuntu | hey whats a .img file for |
| 21:53.01 | sepult | either a filesystem image or some cpio tar archive |
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| 21:53.23 | sepult | for kernel stuff or so |
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| 22:06.52 | spersaud | how can I get ffmpeg to encode an .flv in a higher bitrate ? |
| 22:06.59 | spersaud | its doing it at 64bits only |
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| 22:07.08 | spersaud | with ffmpeg -i file.flx file.mp3 |
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| 22:11.33 | _Dave123_ | i have these first three lines in my .screenrc - however the behaviour of screen changed from etch to lenny - these 2 lines i have |
| 22:11.37 | _Dave123_ | hardstatus alwayslastline |
| 22:11.40 | _Dave123_ | hardstatus string '%{= kG}[ %{G}%H %{g}][%= %{= kw}%?%-Lw%?%{r}(%{W}%n*%f%t%?(%u)%?%{r})%{w}%?%+Lw%?%?%= %{g}][%{B} %d/%m %{W}%c %{g}]' |
| 22:11.44 | _Dave123_ | for some reason when i C-a + C' - create a new window, the last line doesn't work anymore |
| 22:12.07 | _Dave123_ | when i create a second window inside a screen i mean, the last line doesn't show up anymore |
| 22:12.48 | zorrolero | !tell spersaud about #ffmpeg |
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| 22:18.24 | meowbuntu | !tell meowbuntu about #linux |
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| 22:20.49 | meowbuntu | _Dave123_, ask on here for your help its more distro specific |
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| 22:30.34 | spersaud | what program can I use to copy files to an ipod nano ? |
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| 22:31.42 | niklaswe | hmm any ide about this.. when i booting up my machine.. and will login.. i coming to tty6 |
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| 22:33.48 | antlarr | hi |
| 22:34.30 | antlarr | anyone can point me to netinst CD images based on testing (or anything based on a recent kernel)? I can't find them in the web page |
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| 22:36.09 | rasca1001 | how do i install latest version of vlc in lenny? |
| 22:37.40 | Diilbert | antlarr: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:38.07 | Diilbert | antlarr: everything you need to know is on that page (in relation to squeeze) |
| 22:38.08 | antlarr | Diilbert: thanks! |
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| 22:40.13 | Diilbert | rasca1001: I am running the latest on lenny andhad to build it --> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-sources.html |
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| 22:42.35 | Diilbert | antlarr: If you truly want the latest you will need to do something link this: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 22:42.41 | numen | mhm |
| 22:42.49 | numen | postmap -q john@example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf |
| 22:42.49 | numen | postmap: warning: mysql query failed: Unknown column 'email' in 'where clause' |
| 22:43.19 | kroddnoMobil | n8 |
| 22:43.24 | rasca1001 | Diilbert: meric |
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| 22:44.20 | Diilbert | rascal001: If regularily build your apps from source there is no black magic with this one |
| 22:44.34 | antlarr | Diilbert: in fact, a friend just told me about http://news.debian.net/2010/01/07/brief-updates-lenny-d-i-with-kernel-2-6-32-gpg-coordination-debian-ports-archive-key-python-stdeb-and-upcoming-bsp/ |
| 22:44.39 | antlarr | and I think I'll use that |
| 22:45.02 | antlarr | the problem is that my sata controller doesn't work with kernels <2.6.31 |
| 22:45.47 | rasca1001 | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 22:46.04 | antlarr | rasca1001: dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 22:46.31 | rasca1001 | antlarr: thank you |
| 22:46.47 | rasca1001 | been so used to Ubuntu 'click' |
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| 22:47.54 | rasca1001 | is there an option to install with required deps? |
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| 22:48.26 | Astounding | Can someone help me out? After debian install I reboot and its just a flashing cursor top of screen |
| 22:48.49 | peterrooney | rasca1001: aptitude install <package-name> |
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| 22:50.24 | mihi | Hmm. Am I just too stupid or is there really no way to install openjdk-6-jre-headless without installing the non-headless version as well (caused by dependencies...)? |
| 22:50.32 | Diilbert | antlarr: I like to take the low road instead of the high road. That is just me. I build the latest rc kernel against my lenny install, just to get ACPI working correctly |
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| 22:57.29 | _Dave123_ | does debian maintain some logs of files that are uploaded through proftpd? is there somewhere this gets stored? any time a file gets uploaded to for example /home/user/WWW/new/index.html ? |
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| 22:58.27 | peterrooney | mihi: apt-cache policy --no-all-versions (jdk package) |
| 22:58.46 | xyan | _Dave123_: see /var/log/proftpd/ |
| 22:58.51 | peterrooney | _Dave123_: might be a question for proftpd |
| 22:58.58 | xyan | _Dave123_: theres a xferreport file |
| 22:59.24 | _Dave123_ | i see thx |
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| 23:01.32 | zophy_ | is there a utility for alsa to put everything the freeking hot |
| 23:01.51 | zophy_ | i hate all this puttery weak sheat |
| 23:02.30 | zophy_ | mofo non hearing mooshpoo |
| 23:02.46 | zophy_ | kick it up |
| 23:03.01 | mihi | peterrooney: 6b11-9.1+lenny2 0 (from security) and 6b11-9.1 0 (from normal ftp) is listed there |
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| 23:04.39 | _Dave123_ | there possible to completely disable proftpd logging? |
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| 23:04.55 | zophy_ | killall proftpd |
| 23:05.18 | zophy_ | logs are necessary |
| 23:05.35 | zophy_ | are you a hacker ? |
| 23:06.05 | jelly-home | !tell zophy_ about hacker |
| 23:06.24 | zophy_ | plz join #licensePlateMakers |
| 23:06.28 | _Dave123_ | lol |
| 23:07.32 | jelly-home | oh, my apologies for not reading the backlog |
| 23:07.34 | jelly-home | !ops zophy_ trolling |
| 23:07.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: zophy_ trolling |
| 23:07.54 | peterrooney | mihi: when I ran apt-cache show --no-all-versions openjdk-6-jre-headless | grep ^Depends, I got Depends: openjdk-6-jre-lib (>= 6b11-9.1+lenny2), rhino, libaccess-bridge-java (>= 1.22), java-common (>= 0.28), libcups2, liblcms1, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 23:08.06 | Maulkin | hrm |
| 23:08.31 | mihi | peterrooney: and libaccess-bridge-java depends on openjdk-6-jre (or some different vendors) |
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| 23:08.48 | peterrooney | lastlog mihi |
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| 23:09.48 | Diilbert | !hacker |
| 23:09.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hacker is someone that hacks. See <hacking>, or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html . Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity. |
| 23:09.56 | RichiH | #licensePlateMakers ? |
| 23:09.57 | RichiH | wtf |
| 23:10.15 | RichiH | empty *shrug* |
| 23:10.24 | streuner_ | prolly a joke? :-) |
| 23:10.45 | RichiH | presumably |
| 23:10.57 | peterrooney | mihi: hmm, interesting point. |
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| 23:17.29 | rasca1001 | Diilbert: I'm running ./configure --disable-nls --disable-mozilla but i'm getting configure: error: Couldn't find DBus >= 1.0.0, install libdbus-dev ? .. Where can I get libdbus-dev? |
| 23:17.55 | streuner_ | apt-cache search libdbus dev? |
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| 23:18.49 | streuner_ | rasca1001: why someone want really compile dbus stuff at all? |
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| 23:18.58 | rasca1001 | streuner_: vlc |
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| 23:19.32 | streuner_ | rasca1001: arent there any debs around? |
| 23:19.57 | streuner_ | judd, version vlc |
| 23:19.58 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 23:20.01 | streuner_ | judd, versions vlc |
| 23:20.05 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; squeeze: 1.0.4-2+b1; sid: 1.0.5-1 |
| 23:20.06 | rasca1001 | streuner_: building from source, debs are old |
| 23:20.22 | Amarande | judd, versions gtkpod |
| 23:20.23 | judd | gtkpod -- etch: 0.99.4-2; etch-backports: 0.99.12-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.99.12-3; sid: 0.99.14-3; squeeze: 0.99.14-3 |
| 23:20.24 | streuner_ | 1.0.5-1 is too old? |
| 23:20.40 | rasca1001 | streuner_: nope, how do i get it? |
| 23:21.04 | streuner_ | rasca1001: if you running lenny/stable - /msg dpkg backports |
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| 23:26.45 | Diilbert | rascal001: I would start with libdbus-1-dev |
| 23:26.55 | Diilbert | apt-cache search libdbus |
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| 23:31.23 | Diilbert | rascal001: I used the lenny stock libdbus and it worked fine. |
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| 23:44.12 | Amarande | hmm, is there a bpo for 3.5 mozilla/iceweasel or do you have to go full on squeeze or manual backport the sid source deb to get it? |
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| 23:44.32 | gonzolively | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.43 | Amarande | (and why are 3.x versions of Iceweasel being claimed to be NS5?) |
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| 23:50.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:51.03 | Amarande | after having downloaded firefox 3.6 from mozilla |
| 23:51.07 | Amarande | and attempting to run it on lenny: |
| 23:51.19 | Amarande | "/usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 23:51.27 | Amarande | yet, libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 is right there in /usr/lib |
| 23:51.34 | Amarande | why is it not detected? |
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| 23:52.51 | azeem | Amarande: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" say? |
| 23:53.04 | azeem | Amarande: and pastebin the output of "ldd /usr/local/firefox/firefox-bin" |
| 23:53.06 | azeem | !paste |
| 23:53.06 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 23:54.20 | Amarande | http://www.pastebin.com/d4427c048 |
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| 23:54.34 | Amarande | apparently, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib changed the error message, though |
| 23:55.09 | azeem | to what? |
| 23:55.17 | Amarande | *headdesk* hmm, don't tell me ... I downloaded the 32-bit binary on an AMD64 box |
| 23:55.21 | arvenius | hi |
| 23:55.21 | Amarande | it's in the pastebin, near the top |
| 23:55.32 | Amarande | is that a classic hallmark of wrong arch? :) |
| 23:55.39 | azeem | heh |
| 23:55.45 | azeem | yeah |
| 23:56.01 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:56.01 | arvenius | i have ldconfig bitching about ~100 libs with the same so name but different type (=name) |
| 23:56.08 | Amarande | is there a binary for amd64 firefox, or do you have to compile it? |
| 23:56.12 | arvenius | any idea how to clean that mess up efficiently? |
| 23:56.13 | pitriss | Hi. Can somebody help me? I have really weird problem.. I upgraded my hw (from Athlon64 to intel i7) and booted old system.. everything seems to be working on my lenny.. except keyboard.. Keyboard do random repeats, sometimes "locks" ctrl (even if i dont press ctrl), sometimes dont want to write letters |
| 23:56.30 | azeem | Amarande: why don't you use the Debian one? |
| 23:56.36 | Amarande | azeem: I'm running lenny? |
| 23:56.43 | azeem | and? |
| 23:56.44 | Amarande | unless it's on bpo, I'd need squeeze, wouldn't I? |
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| 23:57.28 | azeem | oh, you want 3.6? |
| 23:57.43 | Amarande | yeah, because 3.0.6 is claiming I'm running an ancient copy of Netscape 5.0 and won't let me pay my doctor bill? :) |
| 23:57.58 | Amarande | they tell me to download Netscape 8.0 heh |
| 23:58.23 | Amarande | hmm: does 3.6 debian iceweasel also fail such javascript checks, or will it work? |
| 23:58.35 | Amarande | is wondering if the fact that the browser name isn't kept as firefox trips up "compatible browser" js code :| |
| 23:58.50 | Amarande | It thinks GNOME Epiphany is Netscape 5.0, too. |
| 23:59.19 | azeem | I think you're confused as to what user-agents mean |
| 23:59.22 | Amarande | actually ... IS there a browser that is debianized that works with the pay now link at https://einvoice.ipayxepay.net/danburyhospital/index.jsp |
| 23:59.22 | macrobat | Amarande: user agent tool |
| 23:59.43 | Amarande | or am I going to have to write a check :( |
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| 23:59.55 | macrobat | its an addon |
