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| 00:01.09 | infid | how can i make a file have the permissions/modifications it would if i had just created it, ie whatever my umask is? |
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| 00:07.37 | sadeghis | hi guys |
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| 00:08.00 | sadeghis | i am a debian sysadmin, research lab of a hundred off workstations and servers |
| 00:08.10 | sadeghis | we are having a SERIOUS issue with NFS/gnome |
| 00:08.27 | sadeghis | i have found the problem described in an ubuntu bug, but couldnt find a debian bugzilla for it |
| 00:08.43 | sadeghis | the server causing the issue is running debian stable |
| 00:08.48 | sadeghis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/181996 |
| 00:09.52 | abrotman | what does your syslog show ? |
| 00:11.36 | remote | hello |
| 00:11.58 | remote | is there something i can do to allow multiple processes to read/write to the same device simultaneously? |
| 00:12.20 | remote | right now i'm getting device or resource busy but what i want is to be able to write and read from it at the same time |
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| 00:17.55 | yo_rmn | hello, installed squeeze on Vbox, having problem with x-server. |
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| 00:18.42 | Tux^verdreifelt | hmm, what problem? |
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| 00:19.11 | yo_rmn | wait a sec, I'll upload pic |
| 00:19.21 | yo_rmn | brb |
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| 00:22.03 | yo_rmn | http://i48.tinypic.com/116lt6s.jpg |
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| 00:23.00 | Tux^verdreifelt | ah, i see |
| 00:23.07 | Tux^verdreifelt | had this a while ago, too. |
| 00:23.14 | Tux^verdreifelt | the vbox guest additions are installed? |
| 00:23.28 | Tux^verdreifelt | for me, reinstalling fixed that. |
| 00:23.45 | yo_rmn | reinstalling additions? ok, I'll try now |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | yo_rmn: how did you install xorg ? |
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| 00:24.13 | yo_rmn | just installed th system |
| 00:24.19 | yo_rmn | auto install |
| 00:24.19 | abrotman | yo_rmn: aptitude install xorg |
| 00:24.26 | yo_rmn | ok |
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| 00:26.54 | yo_rmn | is it not suposed to be already installed? I mean, I did something awful, i did dist-upgrade from lenny, tht broke it |
| 00:27.20 | abrotman | you tell us if it's installed |
| 00:27.39 | yo_rmn | it is not, installing now |
| 00:27.53 | yo_rmn | I thought it had to come with it |
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| 00:29.00 | yo_rmn | ok I hav 1 broken package now, 602 updated |
| 00:29.23 | yo_rmn | how can I see in console? th brokn one |
| 00:29.32 | yo_rmn | so I can try to fix |
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| 00:38.51 | yo_rmn | how do I fix borken in commanline? |
| 00:38.57 | yo_rmn | broken package |
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| 00:39.18 | f00li5h[HireMe] | what did apt-get suggest? |
| 00:39.21 | yo_rmn | IDK which pack |
| 00:39.51 | yo_rmn | no, I installed xorg, and hen it said, 1 broken, 602 updtd |
| 00:40.06 | hayleyw | you do whatever sudo apt-get -f install does |
| 00:40.09 | yo_rmn | how do I show this one? |
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| 00:40.35 | yo_rmn | sudo? I thought tht was Ubuntu |
| 00:40.51 | yo_rmn | apt-get -f |
| 00:40.52 | f00li5h[HireMe] | you should read man sudo |
| 00:40.54 | hayleyw | sudo is in every linux distro |
| 00:40.55 | yo_rmn | ? |
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| 00:41.31 | f00li5h[HireMe] | yo_rmn: the man page for sudo, read it |
| 00:41.39 | yo_rmn | ok thx |
| 00:43.07 | yo_rmn | look, I'm root already, and I guess I hav to read about showing and fixing broken packages first. when I get windows and pointers I'll do everthing else |
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| 00:43.35 | hayleyw | so do apt-get -f install |
| 00:43.46 | themill | yo_rmn: the output of "aptitude -f install" would be helpful. |
| 00:43.51 | f00li5h[HireMe] | yo_rmn: so, it might be safe to ignore the sudo part of the suggested command if you're root, wouldn't you say? |
| 00:44.12 | yo_rmn | lol I did |
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| 00:44.35 | hayleyw | too bad no one where is psychic |
| 00:44.46 | hayleyw | here* |
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| 00:48.43 | yo_rmn | ok dpkg foun errors trying to process udev_150-2.deb |
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| 00:50.11 | yo_rmn | dpkg |
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| 00:51.03 | hayleyw | interesting how debian doesnt have udev 150 |
| 00:51.07 | hayleyw | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=udev |
| 00:51.30 | yo_rmn | then WTF is it doing in my VM? |
| 00:51.42 | yo_rmn | I didn't added it for sure |
| 00:51.47 | themill | ,versions udev |
| 00:51.49 | judd | udev -- etch: 0.105-4; etch-security: 0.105-4etch1; lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; sid: 151-2; squeeze: 151-2 |
| 00:51.50 | hayleyw | we have no idea if you dont provide full outputs |
| 00:52.17 | themill | version 150-1 was in squeeze up until a day or two ago |
| 00:52.18 | ewijr | any reason why installing swfdec-mozilla in squeeze causes aptitude to want to remove epiphany-browser & gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 00:52.47 | yo_rmn | o.O |
| 00:52.57 | yo_rmn | well wht do u need to know |
| 00:53.19 | yo_rmn | and how do I fix it |
| 00:53.27 | yo_rmn | this udev |
| 00:53.46 | yo_rmn | and lps, how do I change KB for my lang |
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| 00:56.25 | yo_rmn | error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb |
| 00:56.37 | yo_rmn | (--unpack) |
| 00:57.41 | hayleyw | why do you think that's a full output? |
| 00:58.07 | ewijr | is epiphany-browser package in testing broken? |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | yo_rmn: it tells you why |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | ewijr: i'm using it |
| 00:59.52 | yo_rmn | because Idon't Know anything, Ithought u guys were here to help, instead u're insulting me, ok i'm a stupid noo,b hav fun |
| 00:59.54 | ewijr | abrotman: have you tried installing swfdec-mozilla. it says it's broken |
| 01:00.38 | abrotman | no, i don't use it |
| 01:01.57 | jamon | yo_rmn: if 150-1 isn't current anymore, do an apt-get update and then try -f install again |
| 01:02.17 | jamon | should get you the more recent 151-2 version if you're using squeeze/sid |
| 01:02.18 | yo_rmn | tranlated would say sthing like, subprocess pre-install script returned error code1 |
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| 01:03.10 | yo_rmn | well, I want my x to start, I'm not tht good at console, I use Ubuntu |
| 01:03.24 | yo_rmn | so my brain is atrofiated |
| 01:03.27 | yo_rmn | lol |
| 01:03.39 | ewijr | yo_rmn: startx |
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| 01:04.10 | yo_rmn | lol I did, not working, want to see log? |
| 01:04.30 | hayleyw | no |
| 01:04.34 | yo_rmn | well IDK where it is i'll find out now |
| 01:05.24 | yo_rmn | and my kb is in english an I hav a spa KB, so I can't find anything |
| 01:06.05 | jamon | yo_rmn: if you go looking for a problem, you are bound to find one somewhere. slow down and pick one thing at a time to work on.. |
| 01:06.28 | yo_rmn | ok, I'll do tht |
| 01:06.40 | yo_rmn | so, my X |
| 01:06.47 | hayleyw | no, you start with udev |
| 01:06.55 | yo_rmn | udev broken... ok ok |
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| 01:07.40 | yo_rmn | so, command, apt-get install udev...... -f? |
| 01:07.48 | themill | yo_rmn: have you run "aptitude update" recently? |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 01:07.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 01:08.07 | jamon | yo_rmn: do what themill says, apt-get/aptitude update first, always |
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| 01:13.39 | chops1 | A reask from earlier: Does anyone know how pam and ssh are supposed to interact? I'm trying to set up a duplicate ssh server which authenticates against LDAP, and I'm confused in how to configure PAM for the duplicate server while leaving the one on port 22 untouched. |
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| 01:19.41 | yo_rmn | udev done |
| 01:22.38 | jamon | yo_rmn: great :) |
| 01:24.21 | yo_rmn | still no x server though |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | yo_rmn: did you finish the 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install xorg' ? |
| 01:25.29 | yo_rmn | I guess i missed tht part. sorry |
| 01:27.49 | yo_rmn | plz guys, where is & in your KB? |
| 01:27.56 | yo_rmn | &&&&&&&& |
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| 01:28.43 | JosephM | shift 7 |
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| 01:29.08 | Kevin` | how can I upgrade etch to lenny? |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:29.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:29.26 | abrotman | !tell Kevin` about etch->lenny |
| 01:30.16 | JosephM | abrotman can you tell me too |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | tell you what? |
| 01:30.35 | JosephM | etch to lenny |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | JosephM: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:30.44 | JosephM | thanks |
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| 01:34.01 | yo_rmn | ok, all done, except sartx says: fatal server error: no scrrens found |
| 01:34.05 | yo_rmn | screens |
| 01:34.40 | yo_rmn | I did update, full ug and install xorg, yah |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | what is your video carD? |
| 01:35.01 | yo_rmn | Vbox std vga |
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| 01:35.42 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:35.45 | yo_rmn | I had Debian on my p but had to go Ubuntu because of my ignorance |
| 01:35.56 | phorce1 | hmmm, rtl8168 was recognized during a clean install of lenny using netinst. It's not recognized, and I don't see the module anywhere on my older lenny box that was set up using the same netinst CD many months ago |
| 01:36.02 | yo_rmn | and I'm here to learn now |
| 01:36.37 | hayleyw | so are you trying to fix a debian install or an ubuntu install? |
| 01:36.53 | yo_rmn | Dbian |
| 01:37.03 | yo_rmn | in Virtualbox |
| 01:37.23 | hayleyw | so install vbox's modules, then sudo rm ~/etc/X11/xorg.conf; then startx |
| 01:37.28 | yo_rmn | like I said, I wnt to go back on Debian, but I need to learn |
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| 01:38.40 | abrotman | !tell yo_rmn about grounding |
| 01:42.20 | JosephM | dpkg is quite a smart bot |
| 01:42.20 | dpkg | JosephM: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 01:43.22 | JosephM | cute |
| 01:43.29 | yo_rmn | well IDK how to do this... twisted - |
| 01:43.33 | yo_rmn | haha |
| 01:44.04 | JosephM | IDK? |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | !reference |
| 01:44.14 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 01:44.16 | yo_rmn | I dont' know |
| 01:45.26 | Kevin` | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:50.38 | RickRocK | i cant find /etc/hosts.allow why i dont have this files ? i use centos |
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| 01:51.45 | hayleyw | RickRocK, it's usually not automatically created. you have to manually create it. however, we dont care :P ask #centos |
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| 01:54.27 | RickRocK | to allow ip adress range in hosts.allow how we do it ? sshd : 65.0.*.* : allow like that ? |
| 01:55.23 | Tramp | stop this annoying crossposting |
| 01:55.24 | hayleyw | you ask #centos |
| 01:56.43 | RickRocK | why you not sucking a nice cock and shut up ? |
| 01:57.01 | Tramp | go ahead |
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| 01:57.07 | RickRocK | wow |
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| 01:57.15 | Tramp | tx |
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| 02:02.54 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:11.04 | phorce1 | has anyone done nvidia in Lenny with a 2.6.32bpo kernel yet? Not finding anything in google and wondering if I'm going to have to build a full kernel from source since I need to upgrade to get my new NIC working |
| 02:11.42 | phorce1 | (or I could build a module for the NIC for 2.6.26 but where's the fun in that) |
| 02:12.11 | chops1 | Yet another update on ssh with PAM -- I can't figure out how to override the PAM configuration for a duplicate ssh server. I have the duplicate server set up, and I'm trying to sort out what from /etc/pam.d gets loaded. I tried straceing the server and don't see anything interesting. |
| 02:12.22 | chops1 | Anyone know about how app-specific PAM stuff gets loaded? |
| 02:12.50 | nevyn | app specific pam stuff? |
| 02:12.51 | montyboy | phorce1: just a few days ago I tired to get all the build-deps from the 2.6.32bpo kernel and ... failed |
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| 02:13.03 | montyboy | phorce1: using 2.6.30 now :/ |
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| 02:15.05 | chops1 | nevyn: There's a file /etc/pam.d/ssh that contains the ssh server configuration, but I'm not sure how to make a separate one for a duplicate ssh server |
| 02:15.14 | nevyn | oh. |
| 02:15.16 | k-man | i was in the process of installing debian-testing in a vm when for some unexpected reason the host machine hung. so i rebooted and now the debian vm just hangs at boot. i can however boot using a rescue disk - how can i restart the install? |
| 02:15.26 | phorce1 | montyboy: yuck -- guess I'll just make the NIC work in .26 then |
| 02:15.33 | k-man | i suspect it didn't finish installing the kernel |
| 02:15.53 | montyboy | phorce1: looks like bpo has unmet dependencies on the 2.6.32 kernels. Specifically linux-kbuild-2.6.32 |
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| 02:18.01 | phorce1 | montyboy: could probably go back to old school and build the non-debian way |
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| 02:35.12 | Tramp | chops1: apparently openssh sets the PAM service name to the base-name of the executable. I.e. by by renaming the binary to "mysshd" you could set up a different configuration in /etc/pam.d/mysshd |
| 02:35.23 | chops1 | Okay, pam_start() is where the service name comes from. In openssh that comes from __progname (which I think is sshd, not ssh). |
| 02:35.39 | Tramp | chops1: but (1) this is certainly painful to do from iside debian and (2) you better check with #openssh |
| 02:36.11 | simonrvn | unless you use dpkg-divert or something |
| 02:36.18 | chops1 | Tramp: That's fine for me (ln -s /usr/sbin/sshd /usr/sbin/sshd-822)... but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 02:36.41 | simonrvn | probably does some readlink() thing |
| 02:36.46 | chops1 | Tramp: I also don't understand why it's /etc/pam.d/ssh and not /etc/pam.d/sshd if that's true |
| 02:37.17 | Tramp | chops1: for me it's /etc/pam.d/sshd - and you may try copying, not linking, as simonrvn mentioned |
| 02:37.29 | simonrvn | patched? something else chops the d off? or hard-coded (*gasp*)? |
| 02:37.40 | simonrvn | or hardlink maybe |
| 02:37.40 | chops1 | simonrvn: Looking at the source it's __progname |
| 02:37.45 | chops1 | k, I'll try hardlink |
| 02:38.01 | Tramp | yeah. that should do it as well |
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| 02:38.04 | git__ | hi |
| 02:38.35 | git__ | my computer turned off in the middle of: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 02:38.44 | git__ | how do I recover from the package building? |
| 02:38.55 | zinx | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 02:39.02 | simonrvn | just run it again, or use debuild |
| 02:39.27 | simonrvn | (which runs it again anyway ;p) |
| 02:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, run it again, or run it again? |
| 02:39.46 | git__ | when i run it again, it's giving me an error |
| 02:39.54 | zinx | try debian/rules clean |
| 02:40.05 | git__ | dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2 |
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| 02:40.17 | zinx | ah |
| 02:40.28 | zinx | rm -r the dir, use dpkg-source -x again or whatever you used :E |
| 02:40.49 | zinx | it sounds like the fs is out of sync, and while it can be fixed, it's dependent on the specific package and problem |
| 02:41.01 | zinx | out of sync wrt the build, that is |
| 02:41.17 | git__ | let me grab the source again to rebuild |
| 02:42.24 | chops1 | Tramp: This is Debian etch... maybe it should have been /etc/pam.d/sshd and got fixed since then |
| 02:43.10 | zinx | chops1: erh, upgrade >_< |
| 02:44.22 | Tramp | chops1: ah, could well be - I'm on lenny. Maybe verify in the changelog ... |
| 02:44.28 | Tramp | aeh, squeeze |
| 02:44.37 | Tramp | but probably fixed in lenny .... |
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| 02:53.50 | simonrvn | ah thank you for the k:line |
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| 02:54.18 | matthewpucc | umm |
| 02:54.22 | matthewpucc | anyone else get that? |
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| 02:54.36 | ddrj | hi all is there a way to disable the log files for all the incoming and outgoing tcp/ip connections ? |
| 02:54.40 | ddrj | in debian |
| 02:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | what logfile? |
| 02:55.24 | ddrj | for iptables |
| 02:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no such thing on default installs |
| 02:56.10 | ddrj | hmm |
| 02:56.16 | liable | it logs in syslog iirc when you have some rules set |
| 02:56.26 | ddrj | ahhhh |
| 02:56.28 | ddrj | thanks checking |
| 02:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no rules set by default, though :) |
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| 02:56.51 | liable | or messages or whatever, i dunno how to make it stop |
| 02:57.30 | Tramp | even then it wouldn't log unless you set LOG/ULOG rules |
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| 02:57.48 | ddrj | yeah i inherited this box from someone else |
| 02:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I thought... |
| 02:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | neverused LOG rules myself, though, so I was just checking the manpage |
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| 03:06.41 | NiLon | matthewpucc get what? |
| 03:06.59 | matthewpucc | an file transfer invide |
| 03:07.01 | matthewpucc | invite |
| 03:07.44 | NiLon | nothing on my status atleast |
| 03:08.19 | matthewpucc | hmm ok |
| 03:08.47 | matthewpucc | anyone have experience with vsftpd and pam-mysql authentication |
| 03:08.55 | matthewpucc | its being grumpy with me |
| 03:09.52 | paissad_ | guys, i want to configure smtp in my server, i hesitate between postfix & sendmail ? .... what do you advice me ? |
| 03:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's wrong with the default mta? |
| 03:11.42 | Amarande | well, sendmail is the gold standard and can do virtually -anything- MTA wise |
| 03:11.56 | Amarande | but you'll also be reading up on how to configgle it for a long long time |
| 03:11.58 | MarGarina | paissad_: postfix or exim |
| 03:12.07 | Amarande | let's put it this way: sendmail has a configuration file for writing the configuration file :) |
| 03:12.33 | MarGarina | Yeah, FIRST RULE OF SENDMAIL: do not editor the .cf file by hand. Act as if it was assembly. |
| 03:12.37 | MarGarina | s/editor/edit |
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| 03:12.59 | paissad_ | hmm, actually want i want to do is have my email like this paissad@mydomain.com just like foo@gmail.com |
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| 03:22.15 | matthewpucc | paissad: use google apps |
| 03:23.07 | paissad | O_o |
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| 03:27.24 | DogBoy | yea I use google apps for that |
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| 03:30.46 | Dan_E | where do i get nivida drivers for Debian 504? |
| 03:30.50 | DogBoy | paissad, postfix |
| 03:31.09 | paissad | yeah, i'm currently installing postfix |
| 03:31.14 | DogBoy | sendmail has a long history of security problems |
| 03:31.23 | DogBoy | and there is no reason to think they are all done |
| 03:31.40 | DogBoy | and postfix is easier to setup than sendmail |
| 03:31.55 | DogBoy | you should ask in #postfix |
| 03:32.10 | paissad | oh right, i go to #postfix |
| 03:32.53 | DogBoy | I used to do that but as matthewpucc suggested it's better to let someone else do it |
| 03:32.57 | DogBoy | like google |
| 03:32.58 | DogBoy | if you ca |
| 03:33.00 | DogBoy | can |
| 03:33.26 | matthewpucc | setting up a mail server is just inviting stress into your life |
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| 03:33.48 | paissad | really |
| 03:34.08 | matthewpucc | yes |
| 03:34.16 | matthewpucc | its a constant battle |
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| 03:34.27 | DogBoy | it's really not worth it |
| 03:34.36 | matthewpucc | you'll be lucky to get through spam filters |
| 03:34.44 | surfdue | how can i manually set a config string for a debian pacakge? i need to --enable-libmp3lame on ffmpeg |
| 03:34.52 | matthewpucc | its getting ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS these days |
| 03:38.08 | paissad | matthewpucc, i just began googling, but google apps (gmail) does not seem to be free |
| 03:38.16 | matthewpucc | hahah |
| 03:38.20 | matthewpucc | google harder |
| 03:38.48 | matthewpucc | http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html |
| 03:38.49 | paissad | yeah, that all i wanted to know ^^ |
| 03:39.14 | matthewpucc | thats the free one |
| 03:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell surfdue -about package recompile |
| 03:40.23 | karme | it is not that hard to set up a mail server |
| 03:41.12 | karme | anyway better than using google for your mails |
| 03:41.54 | matthewpucc | omg |
| 03:41.58 | matthewpucc | ok |
| 03:42.17 | DanDare | karme, agreed... I need some energy generator ... |
| 03:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I set up exim about perhaps 8 years ago and I don't remember much of a battle |
| 03:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... in the following years up till today |
| 03:42.36 | DogBoy | what's better about it karme |
| 03:42.38 | matthewpucc | unless you are sending out spam or child porn then there really isnt a problem with using google |
| 03:42.53 | matthewpucc | and you get more features and no maintenance |
| 03:42.54 | DanDare | matthewpucc, google eats your emails |
| 03:43.02 | karme | DogBoy: that my mails are under my control? |
| 03:43.12 | DogBoy | well yea but then also not |
| 03:43.28 | DogBoy | I've done it both ways |
| 03:43.34 | matthewpucc | as have it |
| 03:43.36 | matthewpucc | *I |
| 03:43.44 | matthewpucc | but i always get screwed when i host my own email |
| 03:43.51 | DogBoy | maintaining your own email server is a pain in the butt |
| 03:43.57 | matthewpucc | i mean i lose bulk sending functionality |
| 03:44.05 | matthewpucc | but i dont send bulk emails anyway |
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| 03:44.48 | karlpinc | matthewpucc: I've always run a mail server and it's been pretty painless. (But I did switch to postfix.) |
| 03:45.13 | matthewpucc | how many of your emails get delivered? |
| 03:45.19 | karlpinc | matthewpucc: All of them. |
| 03:45.31 | matthewpucc | spf records? |
| 03:45.41 | karlpinc | matthewpucc: At least no one has _ever_ told me they didn't get one. |
| 03:45.44 | karlpinc | matthewpucc: No. |
| 03:45.47 | matthewpucc | haha |
| 03:45.57 | tonsofpcs | karlpinc: do they tell you when they do get one? |
| 03:45.57 | cheako | Hello, I'm getting segfaults in libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6.0 on Lenny. |
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| 03:46.12 | abrotman | surfdue: you'd have to recompile the package |
| 03:46.14 | matthewpucc | hahaha nice tonsofpcs |
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| 03:46.17 | karlpinc | tonsofpcs: Yup, a lot of the time. |
| 03:46.22 | cheako | What is the minimum supported Pentium CPU? |
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| 03:46.25 | DogBoy | karlpinc, that's like a drunk that says: I don't remember having any blackouts... |
| 03:46.32 | matthewpucc | lol |
| 03:46.55 | DanDare | this is not the place but conversation makes me tempted: Im a poor soul that uses google apps for email. Sometimes som emails dont reach destination other times some emails never arrives my box.. and not any error messages... just dissapears... sounds like DNS trouble ? |
| 03:47.09 | DanDare | or just google garbage ? |
| 03:47.11 | karlpinc | DogBoy: I've been doing this for about 14 years, you'd think I'd hear if people no longer received my mail. |
| 03:47.17 | cheako | I'm using a PIII 650Mhz |
| 03:47.33 | DogBoy | that was not the question karlpinc |
| 03:47.55 | matthewpucc | DanDare: make sure you use a spf record if the mailserver doesnt resolve to your domain |
| 03:48.03 | karlpinc | cheako: That'll work. I just installed on a PII 180MHz, with 48M of ram. I don't recommend it. What counts a whole lot more than cpu is the amount of RAM you can stuff in. |
| 03:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think what matthewpucc was talking about was setting up an email server on a DSL line inside the spammer-dialin-ip blocks |
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| 03:48.30 | DanDare | matthewpucc, allright, thanks |
| 03:48.37 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah. Well, no wonder. |
| 03:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... that would be trouble |
| 03:49.08 | surfdue | abrotman, i just wanna enable one thinglol |
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| 03:49.34 | cheako | karlpinc: Argh, that sucks I don't know what to do about this segfault then. |
| 03:49.45 | cheako | I've got 500MB |
| 03:49.51 | matthewpucc | well i have a static /28 i set up mail hosting. i used it for a while. then less and less emails got sent out. i never sent a single spam but my ip's were blacklisted because someone uses them in a site that got spammed. i'm not associated with those ips but my entire subnet is blacklisted |
| 03:50.15 | matthewpucc | only on a couple servers |
| 03:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | surfdue, I thought I let dpkg send you a factoid ago... and the one thing you want to change is a compile option.... how would you change it if not by recompiling? |
| 03:50.19 | matthewpucc | *blacklists |
| 03:50.29 | abrotman | surfdue: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 03:50.32 | karlpinc | cheako: It all depends on what you're running. I wound up running lxde for a desktop. It took about 5 minutes to boot with all the thrashing. You want to make sure you've got swap space, at least 500MB worth. |
| 03:50.47 | karme | matthewpucc: yes, that sucks |
| 03:50.50 | karlpinc | cheako: You might run memtest86+, overnight to catch heat buildup related problems. |
| 03:50.58 | matthewpucc | but i know medium size companies that run their own mail servers and they all have told me if you dont have to dont |
| 03:51.34 | matthewpucc | you constantly have to check blacklists. make sure records are up to date. you have to secure the hell out of it so no one abuses it |
| 03:51.40 | karlpinc | matthewpucc: Tell your ISP to give you a new cidr block. |
| 03:51.52 | abrotman | matthewpucc: that's crap .. sound like lazy admins to me |
| 03:52.01 | cheako | karlpinc: It's vary consistent at address b7ef974b |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | or just a bad setup |
| 03:52.18 | DogBoy | or it doesn't make sense to run a personal email server |
| 03:52.20 | DogBoy | heh |
| 03:52.32 | matthewpucc | if its just you using the email then you can prob get away with it |
| 03:52.34 | abrotman | that depends on your needs .. i know lots of people that have their own hosted machines |
| 03:52.39 | matthewpucc | *running your own email server |
| 03:52.58 | Amarande | people worry too much about spam :S |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | and they only have like three users and email is in the hundreds (including spam) per day |
| 03:53.03 | Amarande | right click, delete, empty trash, bye |
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| 03:53.11 | karlpinc | cheako: You could pastbin it, but I wouldn't know what to look for. I'd check for hardware problems. Or hardware incompatiblity, some older ISA cards don't always autodetect nicely. The first thing I always try is memtest86+. |
| 03:53.19 | chops1 | Amarande: You clearly do not adminster an email server :-) |
| 03:53.36 | matthewpucc | haha i get roughly 400 spam emails per day and only about 95% get caught by spam filter. and no i use google apps |
| 03:54.07 | matthewpucc | thats between all my accounts though |
| 03:54.11 | matthewpucc | my yahoo is the worst |
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| 03:54.17 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 03:54.29 | matthewpucc | indeeed |
| 03:54.35 | chops1 | Amarande: Imagine that your car burns an extra 20 MPG worth of gas because someone else using it to ship their business's products without your permission... it's a very different problem when you're the admin |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | anyways .. |
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| 03:55.16 | cheako | karlpinc: I'm going to disassemble this and discover the instruction the CPU is choking on. |
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| 04:00.36 | matthewpucc | so vsftpd is returning an error "OOPS: child died" to my ftp client |
| 04:00.58 | dbbolton | will i386 debian actually run on a 386 machine, or does it require an 80486 or better? |
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| 04:01.29 | Hydroxide | dbbolton: 80486 or better, unless you go back enough stable releases |
| 04:01.35 | Hydroxide | dbbolton: but for modern ones, 486 or better |
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| 04:02.09 | dbbolton | Hydroxide: i believe you, but do you know of an official website where it says so? |
| 04:02.19 | dbbolton | i checked the i386 install guide. |
| 04:02.37 | cheako | I found the site where it says 486 or better. |
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| 04:02.52 | Hydroxide | dbbolton: not closely enough: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#id2756691 |
| 04:02.55 | cheako | AFAIK that goes for Sqweese |
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| 04:03.16 | dbbolton | OH thanks |
| 04:03.23 | cheako | Still I can't find anything to explain this segfault. |
| 04:03.34 | chops1 | cheako: Checked the BTS? |
| 04:03.36 | Hydroxide | dbbolton: np |
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| 04:04.39 | cheako | chops1: I don't really have a working computer atm. |
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| 04:07.09 | karlpinc | cheako: Any ISA cards? |
| 04:07.22 | chops1 | cheako: On IRC from your iPhone? |
| 04:07.38 | cheako | I do have an ISA bridge, but nothing behind it. |
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| 04:09.31 | abracadabr | hi! if i install sun-java6-jdk, will it work with java 1.5 code? or i must install also sun-java5-jdk for 1.5? |
| 04:09.58 | chops1 | abracadabr: Unless you have some very version-specific code java6 should be fine |
| 04:10.22 | abracadabr | chops1: thank you |
| 04:10.33 | phorce1 | I have 3 NICs. When networking starts it sets 3 default routes. This breaks lots of stuff. <grin> How can I get it to NOT set a default route for two of the interfaces when they come up? (1 is a static IP and the other is DHCP) |
| 04:10.33 | chops1 | abracadabr: np |
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| 04:11.31 | chops1 | phorce1: You can set the metric lower for two of the gateways (I don't happen to know of a way to use DHCP but not have a gateway, though I suspect there is an easy way) |
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| 04:12.37 | jpinx-eeepc | having changed locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales in order to change the system language, can I make that happen without a reboot? |
| 04:12.38 | karlpinc | phorce1: You don't get a default gateway address with a static config unless you use "gateway" in the interfaces file. |
| 04:13.00 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: Yes. But you need to re-login for it to take effect for any given user. |
| 04:13.56 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: bummer :( I was hoping to just change it... |
| 04:14.02 | phorce1 | chops1: what I'm having to do right now is bring up all 3. Then route del default unil there is no default route. then idfdown/ifup the interface I want the default rout set to |
| 04:14.07 | karlpinc | phorce1: man dhclient.conf |
| 04:15.05 | karlpinc | jpinx-eeepc: You can change the $LOCALE (iirc) env variables in any one terminal process... I don't know that there's a way to frob an entire desktop. |
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| 04:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | karlpinc: thanks - but too many processes to deal with - it'll be easier to wait till I have to login again. |
| 04:17.14 | jpinx-eeepc | or I get a lull in activity when I'm awake ;) |
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| 04:35.46 | viejotren | is it possible to load the wireless module in netinstall? |
| 04:35.57 | viejotren | my nic is a broadcom |
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| 05:19.53 | infid | is it ok to give me a normal user permission to edit files in a subdir of /usr/share/php/? |
| 05:20.06 | infid | s/me// |
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| 05:57.56 | matthewpucc | infid: prob not |
| 05:59.03 | matthewpucc | if you want them to have an include dir in their web root |
| 05:59.19 | matthewpucc | and include that dir on a virtual host basis |
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| 06:02.24 | loll | friends Channel debian how do I redo my system raid1? .. a partition raid with this error. |
| 06:03.02 | matthewpucc | ex say your setup is /var/www/${user}/ as root and /var/www/${user}/ www as web root, create /var/www/${user}/ includes and include that with the php_value directive |
| 06:03.19 | loll | how do I redo it? of a fast and simple |
| 06:03.36 | matthewpucc | that was @infid |
| 06:04.24 | loll | anyone have any tips |
| 06:04.29 | loll | ? |
| 06:04.37 | matthewpucc | whtas your problem? |
| 06:04.45 | loll | friends Channel debian how do I redo my system raid1? .. a partition raid with this error. |
| 06:04.54 | matthewpucc | with what error |
| 06:05.08 | matthewpucc | software raid, hw raid? |
| 06:05.43 | loll | software |
| 06:06.12 | matthewpucc | loll: friends Channel debian how do I redo my system raid1? .. a partition raid with this error. |
| 06:06.15 | matthewpucc | whats the error? |
| 06:07.37 | loll | this damage bug in raid1. the system is running normally but the second hard disk that failed when I put it to run it does not run or boot up |
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| 06:10.12 | loll | matthewpucc, when I run the command fdisk-l it is not completely the same as before, this faltan a partition |
| 06:10.23 | loll | fdisk -l |
| 06:10.46 | matthewpucc | so modify the partition structure re add the device and rebuild the array? |
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| 06:11.32 | loll | yes |
| 06:11.50 | matthewpucc | so the issue is? |
| 06:12.24 | loll | matthewpucc, I have to redo all the partitions raid1? |
| 06:12.48 | matthewpucc | a drive failed and you replaced it is what im hearing. is that right/ |
| 06:13.37 | loll | yes |
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| 06:14.32 | matthewpucc | mmhmmm kk. whats the dev name of the new drive and the existing drive still in the array |
| 06:14.34 | loll | very strange that the machine is a machine for this type of service so this damage these error I think I'll have to redo it all. |
| 06:15.15 | loll | yes |
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| 06:15.58 | matthewpucc | the remaining disk still functions correct? |
| 06:16.08 | matthewpucc | the array is just in a degraded mode? |
| 06:16.45 | loll | perfectly, only the second unit even if it thereby |
| 06:17.24 | matthewpucc | ok |
| 06:17.32 | matthewpucc | one sec pulling up the how to |
| 06:18.20 | loll | hum |
| 06:19.31 | matthewpucc | i need to bookmark things more often |
| 06:19.36 | loll | locke |
| 06:19.38 | loll | disk / dev/md0 does not contain a valid partition table |
| 06:19.48 | matthewpucc | yeah thats fine |
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| 06:22.00 | matthewpucc | ok |
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| 06:22.08 | matthewpucc | got it |
| 06:22.25 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 06:22.38 | [gnubie] | need your advice on the right permission for a shared subversion repository... |
| 06:22.50 | [gnubie] | what is the right way to set permission of a repository that is shared by users of a certain group? all my users are accessing via svn+ssh. i only want the members of the group can do a read/write on the repository intended for them. what files/directories shall i change the permission and what mode? |
| 06:23.05 | [gnubie] | my repository is at http://www.pastie.org/836383 |
| 06:23.40 | matthewpucc | sfdisk -d /dev/existinghd | sfdisk /dev/newhd |
| 06:23.53 | matthewpucc | then add the disk to the array |
| 06:24.06 | loll | ok man |
| 06:24.20 | [gnubie] | anyone? |
| 06:24.22 | matthewpucc | mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/newhd |
| 06:24.50 | matthewpucc | that should be it if i remember right |
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| 06:25.29 | loll | yes ok , I do this |
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| 06:25.49 | matthewpucc | you can watch mdstat and see if it starts rebuilding |
| 06:25.56 | matthewpucc | if it doesnt there is a problem |
| 06:26.34 | loll | ok man |
| 06:26.45 | infid | thanks matthewpucc |
| 06:27.03 | matthewpucc | infid: all that make sense? |
| 06:27.20 | loll | thank you very much |
| 06:27.23 | matthewpucc | np |
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| 06:27.57 | matthewpucc | infid: if you want me to touch on why i would do it that way i will |
| 06:28.07 | infid | yes please |
| 06:29.38 | matthewpucc | well default include path is include_path = ".:/usr/share/php" if you gave everyone a subfolder of that directory then... |
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| 06:29.39 | matthewpucc | a: |
| 06:30.04 | infid | currently when i install 3rd party libraries, they get automatically put in /usr/share/php as root:root, readable by all. i figured since my php include_path is already pointing to /usr/share/php i would just create /usr/share/php/my-libs for my custom libs and make it infid:infid so i dont have to sudo everytime i edit |
| 06:30.09 | matthewpucc | a: ppl would have to type require_once("myfolder/myfile.php") instead of just "myfile.php" |
| 06:30.19 | infid | and add that to my include_path |
| 06:30.26 | matthewpucc | ah |
| 06:30.31 | matthewpucc | is it jsut you on the machine? |
| 06:30.40 | matthewpucc | or a shared hosting scenario? |
| 06:30.56 | infid | me and one other guy right now |
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| 06:32.02 | matthewpucc | ok well if you still want all your modules included AND access to ONLY your includes then yes adding a subdirectory would work but all the other guy has to do is include("yourdir/yourfile.php") to get access to your stuff |
| 06:32.50 | matthewpucc | if you put the inlude path somewhere only accessable to you like in your root dir say /var/www/me/{www,includes} |
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| 06:33.16 | matthewpucc | assuming his is /var/www/him/{www,includes} |
| 06:33.24 | infid | yeah i want him to have access to my libraries |
| 06:33.29 | matthewpucc | ooohhh |
| 06:33.41 | matthewpucc | then yeah |
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| 06:33.56 | matthewpucc | put it in /usr/share/php |
| 06:34.02 | infid | but you answered another question i think |
| 06:34.15 | matthewpucc | but like if you ever need to secure it put it someone he wouldn't be able to access |
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| 06:34.52 | matthewpucc | like say an include dir for your sites parameters or something (db pass's and what not) |
| 06:35.02 | infid | if i didnt want him to access it i'd probably put in somewhere in my home dir and then set_include_path($my_priv_path); |
| 06:35.03 | matthewpucc | then that would be bad for him to have access to |
| 06:35.10 | matthewpucc | yeah |
| 06:35.12 | matthewpucc | there ya go |
| 06:35.14 | infid | yeah i wouldnt put those in there |
| 06:35.32 | matthewpucc | ok. cool |
| 06:35.42 | matthewpucc | then yeah. go for it |
| 06:35.45 | infid | k thanks |
| 06:35.48 | matthewpucc | np |
| 06:36.21 | matthewpucc | loll: is it rebuilding? |
| 06:36.35 | infid | i could still put the files in my home dir and give everyone read permissions to it but if he looks at my include_path would be misleading/confusing i guess |
| 06:36.55 | infid | since system wide files usually go in /usr/share |
| 06:37.01 | matthewpucc | yeah |
| 06:37.19 | matthewpucc | if thats what the files are then they prob should go there |
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| 06:38.00 | karme | !FHS |
| 06:38.00 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 06:38.06 | loll | I am preparing to do, I'm making some up here too |
| 06:38.15 | matthewpucc | ok |
| 06:38.21 | loll | :) |
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| 06:40.14 | karme | !tell infid about usrlocal |
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| 06:50.14 | andrew1 | for a amd phenom II X4 system (4 32/64bit cores) would running 64bit show much performance increase over 32bit(i386) |
| 06:50.18 | andrew1 | ? |
| 06:53.42 | matt2 | 32 to 64 bit might show a slight perf increase. |
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| 07:11.54 | wonderwal | hi my NIC is named as eth0_rename_ren :S why is this |
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| 07:14.31 | wonderwal | :( |
| 07:16.57 | infid | karme but i'm not compiling anything there, these are just php library 'scripts' to be included in source code to access the (fairly) static api |
| 07:17.21 | holycow | http://www.debianadmin.com/rename-network-interface-using-udev-in-linux.html |
| 07:17.27 | holycow | probably something realted to that wonderwal |
| 07:17.33 | infid | the fhs says that /usr/share is for Architecture-independent (shared) data. which iis what this falls under i suppose |
| 07:20.31 | wonderwal | holowcow: i editted /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules , now how do i apply changes? /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 07:20.56 | holycow | i think so, i don't know off the top of my head. google is your friend :) |
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| 07:21.18 | EugenMayer | to run a cron every 30 seconds its 0/30 * * * * or? |
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| 07:29.58 | jelly-hme | EugenMayer: cron's granularity is one minute |
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| 07:30.25 | jelly-hme | EugenMayer: make two jobs running every minute, one doing foo, the othe doing sleep 30; foo |
| 07:30.38 | Devastator | is there a channel for shellscripting? |
| 07:30.45 | EugenMayer | jelly-hme: yeah just read about it |
| 07:30.52 | EugenMayer | Devastator: #bash ? |
| 07:31.03 | EugenMayer | #zsh, #csh |
| 07:31.12 | Speedy2 | www.search2.net |
| 07:31.18 | jelly-hme | wonderwal: /msg dpkg 70 |
| 07:31.26 | EugenMayer | jelly-hme: thank you |
| 07:31.35 | Devastator | thanks EugenMayer |
| 07:31.42 | jelly-hme | Speedy2: no spamming allowed! |
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| 07:32.09 | wonderwal | jelly-hme: dpkg: need an action option |
| 07:32.17 | jelly-hme | !70 |
| 07:32.17 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 07:32.44 | jelly-hme | wonderwal: I've no idea how you managed to do that! |
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| 07:33.04 | wonderwal | jelly-hme: you wanted me to run dpkg 70? |
| 07:33.25 | jelly-hme | wonderwal: I wanted you run send msg, the bot, a private message |
| 07:33.33 | jelly-hme | dpkg the bot* |
| 07:33.33 | dpkg | no idea, jelly-hme |
| 07:33.41 | jelly-hme | dpkg: shut up |
| 07:33.42 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 07:33.49 | jelly-hme | jerk |
| 07:34.10 | wonderwal | thanks bud |
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| 07:34.55 | wonderwal | :) |
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| 07:37.38 | wsxws | hi there |
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| 07:38.20 | wsxws | is there a way to 'daemonize' an application or make it run in background, without using screen ? |
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| 07:39.35 | sig_wall | wsxws: nohup app & |
| 07:40.03 | sig_wall | or start-stop-daemon |
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| 07:40.51 | wsxws | there is no daemon for this app |
| 07:41.10 | wsxws | ill try nohup |
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| 07:42.06 | wsxws | cool |
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| 07:42.58 | wsxws | not cool |
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| 07:43.08 | wsxws | the app becomes stopped in background |
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| 07:53.45 | karme | infid: then use /usr/local/share |
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| 07:59.07 | infid | karme: why /usr/local/share of usr/share? |
| 07:59.23 | infid | fhs just says /usr/local is Tertiary hierarchy for local data, specific to this host. Typically has further subdirectories, e.g., bin/, lib/, share/. not sure exactly what that means |
| 07:59.58 | infid | is /usr/share data that can be spread across a WAN or something? |
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| 08:00.45 | infid | The requirements for the contents of this directory are the same as /usr/share. The only additional constraint is that /usr/local/share/man and /usr/local/man directories must be synonomous (usually this means that one of them must be a symbolic link) |
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| 08:01.16 | Vito` | hm |
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| 08:02.20 | infid | "Any program or package which contains or requires data that doesn't need to be modified should store that data in /usr/share (or /usr/local/share, if installed locally). It is recommended that a subdirectory be used in /usr/share for this purpose." |
| 08:02.33 | infid | my custom php library will be modified once in a while though |
| 08:02.53 | infid | but not to the point of needing to belong in /var |
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| 08:06.13 | Vito` | is there an issue with the default php5 and apache2 in lenny? I just did a stock install of libapache2-mod-php5 and apache2-mpm-prefork, which enabled the php5 module fine (I see it in mods-enabled and with apache2ctl -M), but .php files are being downloaded instead of parsed, especially when I don't specify the filename (e.g. /index.php generally works, but / prompts for a download) |
| 08:06.53 | linduxed | im editing the hosts.allow and hosts.deny file, but i'm not really familiar with the workings of them so here's what i want to do: |
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| 08:07.19 | linduxed | you can only ssh into the computer from the IP 192.168.2.100 |
| 08:07.25 | linduxed | that's all |
| 08:07.33 | karme | infid: do you talk about where a package should put data or where you as admin should put data? |
| 08:07.48 | linduxed | all other ssh traffic should be banned |
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| 08:08.42 | dondelelcaro | !tell Vito` -about php wants me to download still |
| 08:08.55 | jelly-hme | linduxed: have you read the EXAMPLES section in hosts.allow manual? |
| 08:09.05 | dondelelcaro | linduxed: why don't you just use iptables to do that? |
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| 08:10.14 | linduxed | dondelelcaro: because i have no clue of these things |
| 08:11.11 | linduxed | jelly-hme: the examples don't mention the interaction between the two files and mostly just confuse me |
| 08:11.25 | dondelelcaro | linduxed: well, learning about it would be a start.. |
| 08:11.39 | linduxed | dondelelcaro: should i just dump the hosts files and go with iptables? |
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| 08:12.41 | dondelelcaro | linduxed: that's my suggestion |
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| 08:15.20 | Vito` | dondelelcaro: sigh, looks like a caching issue |
| 08:15.24 | Vito` | guess that's means it's late |
| 08:15.26 | Vito` | thanks |
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| 08:21.12 | wohnout | Hello everybody, can someone help me with php and extension dbase. How can I get this extension |
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| 08:25.40 | sep | wohnout, is't that in php-db package ? |
| 08:25.48 | wohnout | nope |
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| 08:35.47 | sep | wohnout, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=341420 seams like php dropped the modular dbase extension, it must be compiled in. and there are also lisence issues. read the bug for details. |
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| 08:36.09 | sep | also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504881 |
| 08:36.13 | wohnout | yes I know that it was dropped because of license stuff |
| 08:36.34 | wohnout | I just asked if someone don't know about some wasy how to get it inside |
| 08:36.48 | wohnout | and it looks that only possibilty is to compile whole php by hand |
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| 08:39.17 | Claviceps | NEED PEOPLE FOR A (WHITEHAT) SEO DEVELOPMENT TEAM!! WWW.BINGSEOFORUM.COM + WWW.BARELYLEGAL.COM |
| 08:39.28 | Claviceps | #xbox720 on EFNET |
| 08:39.36 | Claviceps | #xbox720 on EFNET |
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| 08:47.58 | Claviceps | WWW.WINDOWS.COM |
| 08:48.06 | Claviceps | dude I got an HP |
| 08:48.15 | Claviceps | dude I got a HewellPackard |
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| 08:48.46 | linduxed | ok why is it that i can log in to an ftp server when i type "ftp://user@server-ip" in firefox and then provide the password, but can't when i do "ftp user@server-ip" and then provide the same password |
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| 08:49.03 | linduxed | in firefox it works, from the commandline it doesn't |
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| 08:52.05 | thechef | Can I figure out a hostname of a machine in the local network without using either WINS or DNS but knowing the IP-address? |
| 08:52.22 | thechef | *neither |
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| 08:53.07 | jelly-hme | linduxed: you're providing different syntax to firefox and the ftp client. Check whether your cli ftp client supports the "username@hostname" syntax. |
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| 08:53.44 | jelly-hme | linduxed: lftp accepts URI syntax (ftp://user@server-ip/) |
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| 09:05.02 | linduxed | jelly-hme: thx |
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| 09:13.15 | TheAvatar | In a bash-script I have: 'nmap -vvv $NMAP_TCP_SCAN_METHOD -F -oA "fast_tcp_scan_$TARGET_$TIMESTAMP" $TARGET' - I have that, but $TARGET is excluded, but I assume it reads it as $TARGET_, hence its invalid. How would I write it instead? |
| 09:15.20 | radoe | TheAvatar: ${TARGET}_${TIMESTAMP}, and yes, without the braces it is read as $TARGET_ |
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| 09:16.50 | TheAvatar | radoe, perfect - thanks a lot, I'll give that a try |
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| 09:18.06 | infid | karme: me as an admin |
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| 09:28.38 | Gryllida | Can Debian installator shrink NTFS partition? |
| 09:30.05 | streuner_ | Gryllida: try #debian-boot (OFTC) please |
| 09:30.18 | Gryllida | ok |
| 09:30.54 | brbrbr | i guess not, if you talk about in common to windows users sense. try knoppix 4 this[Qparted] and then install Debian |
| 09:31.05 | Gryllida | sorry, #debian-boot is invite-only. |
| 09:31.10 | Gryllida | I can't |
| 09:31.14 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 09:31.18 | brbrbr | or shipped in other distros repartitioners, such as mandriva |
| 09:31.31 | brbrbr | try parted, again |
| 09:31.38 | brbrbr | with or without front-ends |
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| 09:32.26 | Gryllida | Thus it can't, right? |
| 09:32.28 | streuner_ | there should be a doc about parted |
| 09:32.45 | Gryllida | Excuse me, what is "parted"? |
| 09:33.05 | streuner_ | !info parted |
| 09:33.27 | streuner_ | <streuner_> !info parted |
| 09:33.27 | streuner_ | -Sm0ke0ut- There is no information, sorry.. |
| 09:33.34 | Gryllida | !parted |
| 09:33.35 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. I (Mongoose) used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables, can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ #parted on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:33.40 | dpkg | parted: (The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.8.8.git.2009.07.19-5 (sid), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 09:33.52 | Gryllida | "can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems" :( |
| 09:34.22 | Gryllida | goes to #parted |
| 09:34.28 | streuner_ | Gryllida: there is a demo version (partition magic)... |
| 09:34.43 | brbrbr | its "by default". you must install "unsafe" libraries to make parted able manipulate other partition/FS types |
| 09:35.00 | Gryllida | ok, I will better try Ubuntu's Gparted; Ubuntu |
| 09:35.13 | Gryllida | can shrink the NTFS partitions right during install |
| 09:35.17 | brbrbr | better trey gparted or qparted from Debian |
| 09:35.25 | brbrbr | than shitty ones from Ubuntu |
| 09:35.44 | brbrbr | Ubuntu suxx ! go Debian, save World and even little kitten ! |
| 09:35.47 | Gryllida | why do you have a negative impression about Ubuntu's Gparted ? |
| 09:36.02 | brbrbr | why do you try ask about ? what for ? |
| 09:36.13 | streuner_ | Gryllida: why not just use partition magic in windows to do that? |
| 09:36.24 | brbrbr | short anser is "because its deserve this "impression"" |
| 09:36.28 | streuner_ | Gryllida: and after that, just install Debian? |
| 09:36.41 | Gryllida | I need to shrink my NTFS partition. |
| 09:36.50 | Gryllida | I can Google "partition magic" |
| 09:36.57 | Gryllida | I am at Windows XP |
| 09:37.10 | streuner_ | sure, there is a demo version available, IIRC |
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| 09:39.51 | streuner_ | looks into ig, there should be something there... |
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| 09:44.50 | Sm0ke0ut | streuner_; script is disabled, sorry ;-) |
| 09:45.57 | jelly | brbrbr: unfounded fanboi criticism of other distros has no place in this channel. Please keep it ontopic. |
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| 09:46.47 | Gryllida | I came back. I saw "Partition Magic" suggestion... But it's unmaintained. What do I do? |
| 09:46.51 | streuner_ | brbrbr: well, i read the entry about parted too, but ntfsresize should be able to |
| 09:46.54 | brbrbr | jelly sure. just wonder why you struck me 1st, while i just try counter similar issue |
| 09:47.07 | streuner_ | Gryllida: do you have a LIVE-CD handy? |
| 09:47.23 | Gryllida | live-cd of what? |
| 09:47.27 | streuner_ | grilled-cheese: it should work via ntfsresize |
| 09:47.30 | jelly | Gryllida: gparted upstream have a livecd image |
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| 09:47.54 | brbrbr | gparted are have dedicated distro. check distrowatch.com |
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| 09:48.06 | jelly | Gryllida: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
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| 09:48.08 | streuner_ | Gryllida: knoppix too |
| 09:48.15 | streuner_ | or thtat |
| 09:48.18 | streuner_ | or that |
| 09:48.21 | Gryllida | I changed my mind. I will install Ubuntu. Its installator includes Gparted functionality and can resize NTFS |
| 09:48.34 | jelly | Gryllida: sure, have fun! |
| 09:48.38 | brbrbr | updated knoppix roxx, sure 6.03 and above |
| 09:48.39 | Gryllida | but... |
| 09:49.13 | Gryllida | one of you said something bad in relation to Ubuntu's Gparted, said that me should use only Debian's Gparted. Why? |
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| 09:49.30 | Gryllida | jelly: thanks |
| 09:49.40 | jelly | Gryllida: that's just nonsense, the software is largely identical |
| 09:49.48 | Gryllida | jelly: thanks! |
| 09:50.06 | brbrbr | Gryllida its all about flaws in Canonical concept "do nothing, sell everything" |
| 09:50.10 | brbrbr | i guess |
| 09:50.17 | brbrbr | so they lack of testing, maybe |
| 09:50.29 | brbrbr | i care more about results |
| 09:50.32 | jelly | Gryllida: 74% of Ubuntu packaging is unchanged from Debian; I don't know what's the state with gparted in particular. (Ask them) |
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| 09:50.43 | Gryllida | brbrbr: why? I think they do test that a lot |
| 09:50.48 | brbrbr | i give up years ago, while they not respong to bug-reports which i file |
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| 09:51.00 | Gryllida | brbrbr: where did you read that "concept"? |
| 09:51.08 | brbrbr | many "think". but reallity matter. Canonical is FOSS parasite |
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| 09:52.00 | brbrbr | Gryllida why do you think i read about it somewhre ? and i share it with you ? why you provoce/asking about? what for? |
| 09:52.17 | jelly | could you two take this to #debian-offtopic, please? |
| 09:52.24 | brbrbr | okay |
| 09:52.27 | brbrbr | shutups |
| 09:52.30 | Gryllida | brbrbr: just surprised, never heard that before, ask reference |
| 09:52.36 | Gryllida | okay |
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| 09:53.00 | kj4 | hello debianians |
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| 09:54.17 | karme | infid: you as admin want to stay out of the way of the package manager, /usr/local is one way to do that |
| 09:54.59 | Gryllida | brbrbr, please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:56.43 | ^shark_ | i am trying to remove my tape backup, i use the mt command, is the idea to put the tape offline and eject? |
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| 09:59.54 | project2501a | is portmap needed in gnome? |
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| 10:00.14 | project2501a | if i don't install a desktop environment, do i need portmap and/or nfs-common? |
| 10:00.26 | cahoot | only if you need nfs |
| 10:00.55 | project2501a | hm |
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| 10:01.13 | project2501a | then why is nfs-common in the default packages? |
| 10:02.03 | sep | to let you mount nfs shares quite common on desktops. imho. but if you dont need it remove it |
| 10:02.49 | project2501a | sep. will do. just questioning the wisdom of including a package which is not really needed |
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| 10:02.58 | project2501a | if a sysadmin wants nfs, she will install the package |
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| 10:03.26 | project2501a | i'm sure the debian devs had a line of reasoning for including that package |
| 10:03.28 | sep | project2501a that's the problem with defaults. |
| 10:04.17 | cahoot | isn't it simply a recommended package? |
| 10:04.26 | sep | once size never fits all. if your needs does not fit default. install minimal and add what you need :) |
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| 10:22.22 | ewet | hi, I have a severe error on my debian machine. every one in a while xorg/gdm restarts and I'm on the login screen again. the only thing I could find about it in the logs was in syslog stating that gdm_slave_xioerror_handler was restarted which could be anything.. how to trace that error? |
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| 10:23.59 | RichiH | ewet: are you using testing/unstable? |
| 10:24.15 | ewet | RichiH, yes I do |
| 10:24.51 | RichiH | ewet: i think it was consolekit which had a race condition that could cause the same with kde |
| 10:25.09 | ewet | so what to do? |
| 10:25.48 | RichiH | apt-get update; apt-get install consolekit and restart X |
| 10:25.58 | RichiH | i am not 100% if that was it, mind |
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| 10:26.18 | ewet | so how to trace that thing anyway? stacktrace? |
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| 10:28.23 | cornair1 | ewet: do you use compiz? |
| 10:28.46 | ewet | no, no metacity composition either |
| 10:29.34 | cornair1 | ok, did you try to start another session instead of your default (liek gnome/kde), try to hit F10 before enter the password and try openbox or another login, does thios work for you? |
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| 10:30.28 | ewet | RichiH, I already have consolekit 0.4.1-3 installed.. |
| 10:31.14 | cornair1 | would be nice to know, if this could be gnome-related and not gmd related |
| 10:31.30 | RichiH | ewet: hmm no idea then, sorry |
| 10:32.32 | ewet | cornair1, this error comes and goes and there's no way I can provoke it. so I haven't tried things out.. My idea was to get some more specific information from the crash. like libraries or modules involved. |
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| 10:33.43 | ewet | and to me the gdm_slave_xioerror_handler restart just tells me "x crashed" that's not much information to begin with |
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| 10:39.16 | ewet | where is the debugging symbols package for gdm for a start? |
| 10:39.19 | ethanol | good mornin' / afternoon all |
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| 10:42.01 | Brain | ewet: that sounds like the worlds most helpful error message which often pops up on lazier coded apps: "its broken." |
| 10:42.03 | Brain | :P |
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| 10:48.59 | SethX | howdy |
| 10:49.12 | SethX | whats the debian way to install python egg packages? |
| 10:50.23 | SethX | say, for example, urlrelay , which i cant find using apt-cache search |
| 10:50.59 | sep | SethX, from the debian python faq : 4.2. How should we package Python eggs? | We don't want to provide ".egg" files within the .deb. However we want to make the "egg meta-information" available so that users can use eggs if they so wish. |
| 10:51.17 | sep | SethX, if i understood that correctly, you download them the python way. |
| 10:51.22 | SethX | sep: i read that, and am not much smarter than before |
| 10:51.23 | SethX | ah |
| 10:51.40 | ewet | Brain, there should be a reason why it's coming up though.. |
| 10:51.41 | SethX | so, no package management for egg 's |
| 10:51.57 | bocaneri | What implication does that have for dpkg installed base integrity? |
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| 10:52.05 | ewet | so there are no debugging symbols for gdm or are they just in gnome-dbg? |
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| 10:53.21 | apt_get | Hi |
| 10:54.42 | apt_get | update-rc.d xend defaults 20 21 shows me a error |
| 10:54.48 | apt_get | warning: xend start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (3 4 5) |
| 10:54.50 | apt_get | what can be? |
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| 10:57.14 | dbbolton | i am trying to build coreutils from debian source,http://paste.debian.net/60916/ and i get this |
| 10:57.35 | dbbolton | i checked config.log -- it is over 50000 lines but ends eith exit 0 |
| 10:57.40 | dbbolton | any suggestions? |
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| 11:02.14 | wonderwal | whats the best way to add some iptable rules on boot using etch? |
| 11:02.26 | wonderwal | just want to call my firewall script which executes iptables a few times |
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| 11:02.45 | dbbolton | wonderwal make an init script that calls your script |
| 11:02.50 | cornair1 | ewet: have lost network connectivity. did you try to start another desktop enviroment? |
| 11:03.03 | wonderwal | dbbolton: thanks |
| 11:03.09 | dbbolton | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Making_scripts_run_at_boot_time_with_Debian |
| 11:03.13 | dbbolton | that should help |
| 11:03.15 | dbbolton | np |
| 11:03.46 | ewet | [11:32] <ewet> cornair1, this error comes and goes and there's no way I can provoke it. so I haven't tried things out.. My idea was to get some more specific information from the crash. like libraries or modules involved. |
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| 11:05.39 | ewet | cornair, in the meantime I was asking for the debugging symbols for gdm so a stacktrace would be more revealing. |
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| 11:06.45 | cornair1 | ewet: do you have acces over network? per ssh? than U/we can try to start a gdb session. check, if you have already gdb installed. |
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| 11:19.10 | syslq | Anyone here |
| 11:19.50 | RichiH | 830 people and bots, yes |
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| 11:20.27 | vaq2 | How do I insert a line of words to a file if a line already exists there containing a specific word? - sed '/test/\a' will append "a" after the line "test" However how do I change that so the line only needs to contain the word "test" and not actually only has to be "test" ? so that it will append the "a" after the line dasdas:test:d ex. |
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| 11:25.12 | themill | vaq2: you could do that with a replacement, e.g. sed -r 's/(.*test.*)/\1a/' |
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| 11:25.30 | ciccio0576 | morning |
| 11:26.03 | ciccio0576 | ok |
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| 11:26.33 | funzl | hi all! i recently read about webpages that are blocked for visitors of certain countries. how to achieve this technically? |
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| 11:27.13 | bocaneri | funzl, I presume with iptables and lookups. |
| 11:27.20 | syslq | funzl, geoblocation |
| 11:27.28 | syslq | funzl, you get geoip database |
| 11:27.43 | themill | ,info libapache2-mod-geoip |
| 11:27.45 | judd | libapache2-mod-geoip (net, optional): GeoIP support for apache2. Version: 1.1.8-2; Size: 11.0k; Installed: 108k |
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| 11:27.48 | vaq2 | themill: Thanks, that works, but that will do it for all lines containing "test" I actually only need to do it for the first line it finds, is that possible? |
| 11:28.03 | funzl | ah, ok. i see thx bocaneri syslq |
| 11:28.41 | bocaneri | (I was close...!) |
| 11:29.34 | syslq | bocaneri, geoipdb is available online, and you can get api's for querying db or just parse plain text which is slow :) |
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| 11:30.39 | bocaneri | I'd chunk the plain text into a Berkely DB and tie a hash to it :D |
| 11:30.40 | themill | vaq2: that takes a little more faffing: /msg dpkg sed tutorial ; or try #sed |
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| 11:34.55 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 11:35.19 | gypsymauro | there is a way to know which process has a connection to a specified ip/port couple? |
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| 11:37.10 | ciccio0576 | please which of the versions of flash player should I download to watch videos in Mozilla Firefox under partedmagic |
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| 11:39.24 | sep | gypsymauro, netstat ? |
| 11:39.27 | Joelio | Hi all, I've just had a lockup on a fresh Debian install. Seeing a call trace in /var/log/messages that's to do with XFS. Anyone else seen this? |
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| 11:44.32 | Gryllida | see these two tabs at the page? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi I prefer the second one. I like to see /all/ options right from the beginning. Does Debian Linux distribution have this characteristic? |
| 11:45.16 | ciccio0576 | ok |
| 11:45.52 | themill | Gryllida: eh? |
| 11:45.57 | Gryllida | a? |
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| 11:46.29 | Gryllida | themill: what? I didn't hear a word? |
| 11:47.13 | themill | Gryllida: your question is the equivalent of "what colour is Tuesday?". Have another go... In what way does a linux distribution have the characteristics of a web page? |
| 11:47.26 | Gryllida | " like to see /all/ options right from the beginning |
| 11:47.36 | Gryllida | does Debian have this characteristic? |
| 11:47.55 | themill | All options for what? |
| 11:48.19 | Gryllida | for everything: file search, file copy, whatever OSs do. |
| 11:48.25 | Gryllida | i mean... |
| 11:48.25 | themill | wtf? |
| 11:48.29 | Gryllida | typing |
| 11:49.44 | Gryllida | in Windows, I have to click "advanced" buttons in many places to get a full set of options. Im searching a file called "boo" - do I search subfolders? to see this, I need to click the "more advanced options" button. this is just one example. there are plenty of them in Win XP |
| 11:50.59 | themill | Gryllida: this has nothing to do with debian as a distribution, this is to do with what whatever specific file management application you choose to use, and since there are dozens of them, you can try them all out until you find the one you like. |
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| 11:51.38 | Gryllida | this is not only with files. with device manager, with volume control, etc... |
| 11:52.26 | themill | Once again, there are many different programs to interact with all of these. |
| 11:53.05 | Gryllida | different distros include different apps. which distro includes apps for "advanced" users? |
| 11:53.40 | Joelio | Well, the 'advanced' answer would be bash and vi, stock on pretty much every distro |
| 11:54.31 | Gryllida | excuse me, but what is bash and what is vi? |
| 11:54.48 | Gryllida | isn't there one? maybe you will say : they're all GNOME , don't make a choice ? I start to understand this |
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| 11:55.42 | Joelio | Gryllida: I'd really suggest reading a book on linux for newbies or something |
| 11:55.53 | Gryllida | :D :DD :D |
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| 11:57.17 | Gryllida | then give an URL, please be so kind |
| 11:57.36 | SolarisBoy | bash is a command interpreter/script language,, vi is a text editor |
| 11:58.04 | SolarisBoy | they are not related to gnome |
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| 11:59.01 | Gryllida | I've described what I like in interfaces... I thought you could suggest a distribution for me. |
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| 11:59.16 | adnc | hello, how can i see the dependencies of a package? |
| 11:59.31 | SolarisBoy | o |
| 12:00.04 | themill | adnc: apt-cache show packagename; apt-cache depends packagename; /msg judd depends packagename |
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| 12:00.25 | adnc | themill, thank you |
| 12:00.55 | SolarisBoy | you want 'advanced' interfaces.... ;@ |
| 12:01.03 | simonrvn | rdepends :P |
| 12:01.58 | simonrvn | SolarisBoy: hand him a terminal ;) |
| 12:02.07 | Gryllida | GUI!! |
| 12:02.13 | simonrvn | he did say *advanced* :P |
| 12:02.23 | simonrvn | ok, so uxterm :P |
| 12:03.42 | Gryllida | I am not a Chinese to remember 1000+1 command :| |
| 12:03.42 | ix | Is there any way to lower mouse sensitivity in Xorg without restarting the session? |
| 12:03.51 | Gryllida | But I can do /anything/ in GUI! |
| 12:04.08 | Gryllida | (simonrvn) |
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| 12:04.53 | adb | Gryllida, reactos |
| 12:04.57 | simonrvn | you don't have to say stupid things to make your point. |
| 12:05.08 | Gryllida | adb: thanks. but it's alpha? |
| 12:05.13 | adb | yes |
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| 12:05.37 | Gryllida | adb: I need to use it every day. Alpha is not for everyday usage. |
| 12:06.12 | adb | why not, reinstrall it in vm |
| 12:06.23 | simonrvn | "what's a vm?" |
| 12:06.35 | Gryllida | simonrvn: sorry. I hope you see now: I want GUI, I don't want "advanced" and "more" buttons, I want to see all options at once. |
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| 12:08.03 | Gryllida | adb, simonrvn: Virtual Machine. I accidentally know. But I want to install an OS, really. |
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| 12:08.19 | Gryllida | Onto hard drive. Not a VM |
| 12:08.54 | SolarisBoy | simonrvn: =) |
| 12:08.59 | Gryllida | I've described what I like in interfaces... I still think you could suggest a distribution for me. |
| 12:09.22 | simonrvn | ask in ##linux then |
| 12:09.35 | Gryllida | okay |
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| 12:09.41 | SolarisBoy | Gryllida: i think you have a confusion of distros and what theyre differences are... what do you mean advanced GUI? |
| 12:09.44 | SolarisBoy | im lost |
| 12:09.55 | Gryllida | SolarisBoy: I want GUI, I don't want "advanced" and "more" buttons, I want to see all options at once. |
| 12:10.05 | Gryllida | SolarisBoy: >in Windows, I have to click "advanced" buttons in many places to get a full set of options. Im searching a file called "boo" - do I search subfolders? to see this, I need to click the "more advanced options" button. this is just one example. there are plenty of them in Win XP |
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| 12:10.21 | Gryllida | SolarisBoy: this is not only with files. with device manager, with volume control, etc... |
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| 12:11.25 | SolarisBoy | Gryllida: that sounds like options to specific applications,, i dont think any OS is that specific..... |
| 12:11.40 | SolarisBoy | Gryllida: maybe you should spend some time tweaking your defaults? |
| 12:11.55 | Gryllida | different OSs are shiiped with different apps |
| 12:12.09 | SolarisBoy | yea but that doesn't really apply to what your talking about |
| 12:12.10 | Gryllida | some OSs are shipped with "advanced" apps |
| 12:12.13 | SolarisBoy | ... |
| 12:12.21 | simonrvn | Gryllida: a linux-based os has "the gui" on top of the real guts. you keep saying you want "advanced". you can't get more advanced than with a term interface. |
| 12:12.36 | Gryllida | so you're sayingf: they're all gnome, don't bother? |
| 12:12.37 | Cain | Gryllida : you better have a look on window manager rather than OSs |
| 12:12.39 | SolarisBoy | back to carving out SAN disks |
| 12:13.07 | Gryllida | okay, they're all gnome, don't bother, Gryllida. |
| 12:13.26 | simonrvn | i didn't say that, and don't put words in my mouth, thanks. |
| 12:13.36 | Gryllida | Gryllida: if you don't like Gnome, you will find just another window manager --- at any distro |
| 12:13.37 | SolarisBoy | ::face palms:: |
| 12:13.39 | dbbolton | Gryllida www.distrowatch.com |
| 12:13.44 | jelly | Gryllida: the base OS, and most of the services, is configured using text files. If you want a comprehensive GUI to cover all the possible tunables, you're going to have to write one. |
| 12:13.47 | Cain | Gryllida : kde, xfce,gnome... pick one and search how to tweak it |
| 12:14.07 | jelly | Gryllida: webmin authors tried... and, if I may say, failed |
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| 12:14.45 | clamiax | hi |
| 12:15.03 | clamiax | Does anyone have an idea on why aMSN has been removed from squeeze? Google didn't helped, yet. |
| 12:15.26 | Gryllida | understood that the question was about best window manager, not best distro |
| 12:15.26 | SolarisBoy | Gryllida: ... these things your talking of are options to an applications,, for instance,, you want an advanced GUI,, lets say for nautilus file browser,,, and you want to always see mod times all file time attributes in fact, ownership etc... this is nothing that installing one distro or anotrher would change... |
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| 12:15.51 | SolarisBoy | Gryllida: this is simply going to nautilus preferences and adjusting the defaults.. and the same applies for other applications... |
| 12:16.02 | Gryllida | ok. then I'm asing. what is an advanced window manager? |
| 12:16.06 | SolarisBoy | that will carry from windows to linux |
| 12:16.08 | Gryllida | *asking |
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| 12:16.17 | MrWax | If I have a find -type f .. pattern .. then -exec ls -las \; and then like to copy all the results from 1 dir to another ; about how should the command look like? |
| 12:16.20 | clamiax | Gryllida: what advanced mean in the WM context? |
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| 12:16.25 | themill | Gryllida: this is a matter of taste. Go and try them all out. |
| 12:16.32 | SolarisBoy | ::face palms again:: |
| 12:17.07 | clamiax | MrWax: apart of your chosen command, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:17.31 | SolarisBoy | remove gnome-desktop,, lets if thats advanced enough for ya =) |
| 12:17.37 | Gryllida | themill: ok. try them out. nice idea! thanks to you all! |
| 12:17.38 | SolarisBoy | use midnight commander |
| 12:17.59 | clamiax | or unix tools which are better. |
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| 12:20.21 | abracadabr | hi! i've just marked a metapackage for deletion in aptitude, and then canceled pending actions. All A marks have gone from those packages from metapackage. Is there a way to restore the state of those marks? |
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| 12:25.42 | Joelio | Hi all, I've just had a lockup on a fresh Debian install. Seeing a call trace in /var/log/messages that's to do with XFS. Anyone else seen this? |
| 12:25.58 | Joelio | It's an exim mail server, under heavy load |
| 12:26.09 | linko | Hi ... |
| 12:26.09 | Joelio | No RAID degredation or anything |
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| 12:27.42 | SolarisBoy | Joelio: fs errors? |
| 12:27.53 | SolarisBoy | h/w even? |
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| 12:46.36 | webonaut | Hi |
| 12:47.15 | webonaut | somehow a disk (sdb1) got removed from md1, the disk is not damaged, how can I add it back to the array, so it get synchronized without loosing data |
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| 12:55.34 | Joelio | SolarisBoy: Fresh install |
| 12:55.42 | mquin | webonaut: 'mdadm /dev/md1 --re-add /dev/sdb1' - it'll be resynced (i.e. overwritten) using the data from the disk that's still in the array |
| 12:56.03 | Joelio | SolarisBoy: Seems to be a massive memory leak before it |
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| 12:56.42 | webonaut | mquin: It's just so easy, I love the shell :-)... I'm working on a sbs2008 at another server, and it's just so much harder to find things and get things done with all that wizards an all the text trying to sell technical things as simple things :-D |
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| 12:59.07 | paissad | guys, before configuring my postfix server, i wonder if i should not change the value of the field MX from "redirect.ovh.net" to "paissad.net" http://pastebin.com/d4de71642 |
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| 12:59.29 | webonaut | mquin: thank you a lott... Do you have an idea how this device could be removed? Could it be due to somebody trying to mount /dev/sdb1 as regular drive? I ithink I know which admin could have done this :-)... we just need more linux training here... |
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| 12:59.34 | paissad | does someone more skilled advice me ? |
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| 13:01.00 | ngomes | hi , any wireless expecialist here ? |
| 13:01.47 | mquin | webonaut: Maybe, if it was mounted before the array was started. When I've seen disks drop out of arrays unexpectedly it's usually been down to a communication or power failure to the disk |
| 13:02.05 | ngomes | i have a router with 20 meters range omni. |
| 13:02.10 | webonaut | mquin: --re-add is not recognized :-( ... i think it's just add |
| 13:02.33 | ngomes | at 150 meters , i have a antenna with 18 db direcional to the router , with line of sight |
| 13:02.46 | ngomes | will they comunicate ? |
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| 13:04.35 | webonaut | mquin: mdadm --add /dev/md1 /dev/sda2 - I mixed up the numbers in my question, I checked now everything again, and this works... |
| 13:05.19 | adb | ngomes, try #hardware , or/and #networking |
| 13:05.45 | ngomes | ok thanks |
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| 13:05.54 | adb | yw |
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| 13:33.20 | dpkg | <stuckey> Anyone here understand cmake? <Slurb> i know that its the c version of make |
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| 13:46.37 | project2501a | hey guys. i got a quad screen setup in debian. i'm driving 4x24" dell screens via 2 Quadrio 4800FX . GDM starts, but gets stuck after 4-5 minutes. input + screen freezes. the computer is still accessible via ssh, though. i logged in and killed gdm/gdmgreeter and i tried killing X. X refuses to die. |
| 13:46.52 | cornair1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.53 | dpkg | cornair1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:47.43 | project2501a | cornair: i'm just not sure how to continue. |
| 13:48.09 | project2501a | i don even know where to start troubleshooting. |
| 13:48.10 | cornair1 | /et/init.d/gdm restart doesn't help? |
| 13:48.14 | project2501a | nope |
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| 13:48.31 | RickRocK | in my sshd_config i write PasswordAuthentication no instead to PasswordAuthentication yes and now i cant login anymore with ssh someone know how |
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| 13:49.22 | project2501a | cornair1: this is the related process listing: http://www.pastebin.com/m26a74ef6 |
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| 13:49.28 | cornair1 | whats in /var/log/gdm/\:0.log |
| 13:50.27 | cornair1 | ok, could you pastebin the xorg.conf from7etc/X11 ? |
| 13:50.28 | sep | RickRocK, it's a good idea to restart ssh , and try a new ssh session before closing your current one. unfortunatly unless you have a key on one of the users on the machine. you are pretty lost |
| 13:50.59 | project2501a | cornair1: doing :) |
| 13:51.17 | cornair1 | RickRocK: somebody (maybe you) have to login via the local console and has to reconfgure ssh (for you or yourself) |
| 13:51.42 | project2501a | cornair1: http://www.pastebin.com/m652c8486 this is what's in /var/log/gdm/\:0.log |
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| 13:53.20 | cornair1 | could you pastebin also the config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 13:53.20 | project2501a | cornair1: and this is my xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.com/m6b26cee3 |
| 13:53.25 | cornair1 | ^^ |
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| 13:54.51 | project2501a | cornair1: just did |
| 13:55.15 | cornair1 | you have two cards, which for them you want to display a wide desktop (2 display panels together), alright? the xorg.conf is fine, but I think the gdm.conf is wrong. lets have a look at it (/etc/gdm/gdm.conf) |
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| 13:55.34 | project2501a | pasting |
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| 13:56.16 | RickRocK | cornair1 i dont have acces local i rent this server |
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| 13:57.13 | project2501a | cornair1: gdm.conf http://www.pastebin.com/m2b6ecc19 |
| 13:57.29 | Titan8990 | RickRocK: often they provide you with a serial console (ideal), web panel, or resue mode for fixing this type of issue |
| 13:57.34 | cornair1 | RickRock: then you have to make a call, if you have no acces via Webmin or something else. do you have ftp access? also to etc/ssh/sshd_config ? than download, make the correct changes and upload it, but you still need webmin or something else to reload the sshd service |
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| 13:58.56 | Titan8990 | cornair1: webmin has been removed from the debian repos and is not really supported |
| 13:59.18 | Titan8990 | !webmin |
| 13:59.18 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 13:59.26 | project2501a | Titan8990: thank god! :D |
| 13:59.46 | cornair1 | Titan8990: ok, *updated* |
| 14:00.34 | project2501a | whoever made webmin should die |
| 14:00.37 | project2501a | cpanel as well |
| 14:00.45 | project2501a | get a fucking sysadmin, you cheapscates |
| 14:01.21 | nsadmin | now we see the other reason why people don't like webmin |
| 14:01.35 | project2501a | what's the other reason? |
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| 14:01.37 | project2501a | besides that it sucks |
| 14:02.10 | nsadmin | if people can make their own changes to their site they don't need to pay a sysad |
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| 14:02.33 | project2501a | nsadmin: erh, non sequitur? |
| 14:02.34 | nsadmin | but a serial console is a better idea |
| 14:02.50 | project2501a | actually, iLO2 is a much better ida |
| 14:02.53 | project2501a | idea |
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| 14:03.03 | project2501a | if openbios could implement that.... |
| 14:03.12 | nsadmin | what's that? |
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| 14:04.03 | project2501a | iLO2 is a management interface type owned by HP |
| 14:04.05 | project2501a | it rocks |
| 14:04.14 | project2501a | it has a web and an ssh interface |
| 14:04.28 | project2501a | it's a single ethernet nic attached to the machine |
| 14:04.39 | project2501a | but it gives you direct access to the machine as if you were there |
| 14:04.59 | nsadmin | so it's software too, on the server? |
| 14:05.12 | project2501a | no,. just hardware on HP hardware exclusively |
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| 14:05.16 | cornair1 | project2501a: what is in the [servers] section of gdm.conf? |
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| 14:05.27 | project2501a | cornair1: emtpy |
| 14:05.35 | cornair1 | hmm |
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| 14:06.22 | nsadmin | well then, a serial console is a better idea more generally |
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| 14:06.28 | cornair1 | have a look and have a try: http://www.pastebin.com/m17c2a8cf |
| 14:06.38 | project2501a | i really don't know what to make of this. i'm running squeeze, and i compiled the modules by hand |
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| 14:07.16 | Titan8990 | project2501a: why not use m-a, the debian way of building modules? |
| 14:07.52 | nsadmin | you would need debianized module source for that |
| 14:08.19 | project2501a | Titan8990: mostly, cuz i didn't have a clue such a thing existed ;) |
| 14:08.24 | Titan8990 | nsadmin: yes... but we are talking about nvidia drivers where that is available |
| 14:08.28 | Titan8990 | !nvidia |
| 14:08.28 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 14:08.49 | project2501a | dpkg: nvidia squeeze |
| 14:08.49 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 14:09.02 | nsadmin | swapped mobos to get away from nvidia |
| 14:09.09 | project2501a | nvidia rocks |
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| 14:09.16 | project2501a | in relation to ati |
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| 14:09.27 | project2501a | and here is yet another greek malakas :) |
| 14:09.38 | project2501a | waves to lewnidas_ |
| 14:09.43 | adb | project2501a, ask nvidia to free their sources |
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| 14:10.04 | project2501a | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.09 | adb | project2501a, otherwive is shit |
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| 14:11.28 | adb | otherwise * |
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| 14:19.08 | maif | any tips on how to get Xorg running at native res for the new pineview gma3150 with lenny? |
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| 14:19.33 | nsadmin | do you hwave this pinevies thing installed |
| 14:19.55 | maif | nsadmin its the onboard video in the new gen atom, intel GMA3150 |
| 14:20.09 | nsadmin | ok, try lspci -nn |
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| 14:20.21 | nsadmin | and pick out the line that describes it |
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| 14:21.08 | maif | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:a011] |
| 14:21.27 | nsadmin | ,pciid 8086:a011 |
| 14:21.28 | judd | [8086:a011] is 'Pineview Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:a011 |
| 14:21.29 | Titan8990 | judd: pcid 8086:a011 |
| 14:21.38 | maif | im on a different computer because that laptop doesnt have internet (ethernet not detected in lenny and neither is wifi) |
| 14:22.34 | maif | ok so i need the i915 module, can i just download it, copy it to usb and install the .deb ? |
| 14:22.54 | nsadmin | see... you have to check if it's gonna be suupported before you buy |
| 14:23.31 | maif | it has a rated battery life of 14hours, and in real world tests it gets 10.5 hours watching xvid continuously |
| 14:23.41 | maif | i figured it was worth the blood on the kbd to make it work |
| 14:24.08 | nsadmin | good enough, at least you made a decision |
| 14:24.30 | maif | also i have a nice rtl8187 usb waiting here to get me online so i dont care so much about the onboard wifi or ethernet (im sure the ethernet will be supported in squeeze in a while) |
| 14:24.35 | nsadmin | I'd try that link |
| 14:24.45 | maif | will do |
| 14:25.23 | nsadmin | from that lspci -nn listing, do you see the eth and wireless lines? |
| 14:25.31 | maif | cool i didnt know about this web service for telling me what kernel module goes with what pci id |
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| 14:25.41 | maif | yes let me punch em in |
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| 14:26.05 | nsadmin | see how we found the pciid? |
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| 14:26.12 | maif | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1062 |
| 14:26.21 | maif | yep |
| 14:27.03 | nsadmin | so go check out that link and see if there's a custom installer that covers it |
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| 14:28.20 | maif | "The ethernet chipset in this model is atl1c which works with the 2.6.31 kernel from Sid." |
| 14:28.27 | maif | from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | maif: that's outdated |
| 14:28.45 | maif | oh dear |
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| 14:29.53 | TMM | I haven't used Debian in a while, and so much stuff changed (and got better) so I was wondering if the recommended way of making your own kernels is still with make-kpkg or is there something else now? |
| 14:29.59 | TMM | just want to install 2.6.33 on sid:) |
| 14:30.06 | sylar | can anyone recommend a good project management program? |
| 14:30.10 | abrotman | TMM: still the same |
| 14:30.19 | abrotman | sylar: gui? web? personal? management? |
| 14:30.27 | maif | abrotman: ok so what is the new way? |
| 14:30.29 | sylar | gui |
| 14:30.43 | TMM | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:30.49 | sylar | abrotman, or what ever is best |
| 14:30.53 | StuZZZs | Hello, when using mini-dinstall whats the best way of "archiving" old package versions? ie we only want to keep the n most recent version of package foo? |
| 14:30.56 | abrotman | maif: i'm just saying that there isn't a .31 in sid any more, and there is now a .32 in squeeze and sid |
| 14:31.07 | sylar | abrotman, for a small business |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | maif: i came in just before you pasted that .. so i don't know what you're trying to do |
| 14:31.16 | maif | abrotman: k cool thanks |
| 14:31.35 | abrotman | sylar: 'best' doesn't help .. perhaps look at planner? |
| 14:32.02 | sylar | abrotman, I am looking in to it because it is the only one I found |
| 14:32.49 | TMM | there's also gantt project |
| 14:32.50 | abrotman | sylar: there are also web based ones ISTR |
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| 14:32.58 | abrotman | TMM: planner does gannt stuff |
| 14:32.59 | TMM | and there's one included in phpgroupware |
| 14:33.17 | TMM | abrotman: yeah, but there's a project that's actually called 'gantt project' :) |
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| 14:33.50 | TMM | abrotman: make-kpkg uses that CONCURRENCY_LEVEL env variable, right? |
| 14:33.59 | TMM | draws several blanks |
| 14:34.13 | abrotman | TMM: i think that has to be in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf or something like that (man make-kpkg for the exact file name) |
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| 14:39.09 | StuZZZs | Hello, when using mini-dinstall whats the best way of "archiving" old package versions? ie we only want to keep the n most recent version of package foo? |
| 14:39.37 | StuZZZs | ie how to remove packages without a complete regenerate of the packages list? |
| 14:40.02 | abrotman | remove packages from the apt cache ? |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | or from the package database? |
| 14:41.06 | Titan8990 | aptitude autoclean? |
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| 14:43.00 | Zbyshek | What is used instead of smbpasswd in squeeze? |
| 14:43.16 | Zbyshek | need to change password for user in samba |
| 14:43.19 | Zbyshek | I really hate upgrades |
| 14:44.18 | nsadmin | then why did you upgrade? (you do have a backup of your previous system?) |
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| 14:45.39 | Zbyshek | nsadmin: just samba from backports... need to have this one because of some stupidity in W7 |
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| 14:46.38 | runa | heyas. is it possible to have a user "cron.d" dir? |
| 14:46.58 | nsadmin | sure it's possible |
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| 14:47.26 | nsadmin | just make it... it will exist... it will be a dir... its name will be cron.d... |
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| 14:47.41 | TMM | runa: check out the regular crontab for the run-parts stuff |
| 14:47.47 | runa | TMM: thanks |
| 14:47.52 | TMM | runa: you can build the same thing in someone's homedir |
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| 14:50.32 | Zbyshek | OK, god it... it's in samba-common-bin directory |
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| 14:50.33 | runa | TMM: AFAIK the run-parts is used for commands ran "once a day"; but I need to have very specific scheduling configs |
| 14:50.47 | silidan | hi anyone here already tryed to install nvidia opencl driver on debian sid? i get this error upon starting x in my xorg.log http://www.pastebin.com/d5756ebfe |
| 14:50.56 | TMM | runa: no, check out the way they are called from the regular crontab :) |
| 14:51.09 | TMM | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 14:51.30 | TMM | you can schedule that however you like |
| 14:51.34 | nsadmin | runa: the cron.d will only have crontabs, right? |
| 14:51.39 | runa | nsadmin: yep |
| 14:51.42 | TMM | no |
| 14:51.49 | TMM | owwwww |
| 14:51.52 | TMM | lol, sorry |
| 14:51.54 | TMM | I misread |
| 14:51.58 | runa | TMM: :) |
| 14:52.10 | runa | nsadmin: any hints? |
| 14:52.12 | TMM | in that case: no |
| 14:52.28 | nsadmin | so you can cat ~/cron.d/* and feed that to crontab |
| 14:52.45 | nsadmin | the problem with doing so is you'd have to remove the old ones first |
| 14:52.51 | abrotman | runa: you can have run-parts do that and have your script check the time instead of cron |
| 14:52.54 | TMM | yeah, you'd have to do something like that, there's no direct support to read out a ~/cron.d/ |
| 14:53.17 | TMM | at least not with anacron, perhaps with others? |
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| 14:53.21 | runa | abrotman: yeah, I could but I would prefer to KIS :) |
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| 14:53.51 | abrotman | likes it Silly too |
| 14:54.00 | TMM | runa: why not just use crontab -e? |
| 14:54.07 | vvor | Hi, I have used a script that, while running on my server, outputted the Amazon ec2 estimated price for that configuration and work load. I can not, for my life, remember the name or find it on google. HELP! Thanks :-) |
| 14:54.24 | TMM | runa: I don't really 'get' the appeal of a per-user cron.d, the only reason why it's useful system-wide is for package managers |
| 14:54.39 | runa | TMM: the tasks come from a svn repo |
| 14:54.50 | abrotman | svn can't do a diff ? |
| 14:55.10 | runa | abrotman: the thing is "I don't want all the tasks in the dir to be executed in all hosts" |
| 14:55.13 | TMM | yeah, just have 1 file in svn and use it to update /var/spool/cron/ crap |
| 14:55.41 | TMM | so... your solution is to keep a list of what files to check out on what host? |
| 14:55.46 | TMM | that sounds... nasty :P |
| 14:55.58 | TMM | no internets for you |
| 14:55.59 | TMM | ;) |
| 14:56.05 | abrotman | runa: maybe the time check in the script is better perhaps |
| 14:56.43 | runa | TMM: no, I'll manually link files to the cron.d folder, as I'm linking now them to /etc/cron.d . the problem is that if I don't chown them as root.root cron (correctly) refuses to run em |
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| 14:57.16 | TMM | why don't you chown then then? |
| 14:57.39 | runa | TMM: I'm doing that, but.. I don't like it much :) every 'svn up' is a mess |
| 14:57.48 | StylusEater_work | hi, I've recently installed KVM on Debian 5.0.4. I've created a guest but it runs at 100% CPU constantly and after a while it locks up and I have to kill the qemu process and restart. Has anyone else experienced this issue and if so, do you have a fix? |
| 14:57.49 | TMM | run the svn up as root? :) |
| 14:57.59 | runa | TMM: well, I prefer not to do that |
| 14:58.19 | TMM | well, to me that seems much preferrable to any of the other 'solutions' offered |
| 14:58.22 | runa | abrotman: scripts are rubyonrails noninteractive tasks. trust me you don't want to run one of those every minute to check if its time has come |
| 14:58.24 | nsadmin | you're going to run the chown anyway |
| 14:59.03 | runa | TMM: yep, I hoped there was a '--use-user-crond' hidden switch |
| 14:59.09 | TMM | runa: how about this, create a wrapper script that runs the svn up in the correct directory, then create a sudoers rule so only that can be run as root under your regular day-to-day admin user |
| 14:59.11 | abrotman | runa: okay .. can you have a master script control the rest ? |
| 14:59.26 | runa | abrotman: I could do that.. |
| 14:59.28 | TMM | runa: that seems to me to be the neatest solution |
| 14:59.42 | nsadmin | is there a root /etc/cron.d? |
| 14:59.59 | project2501a | if you can run a multi-monitor system in X, what stops me from running 4 ttys, one in each monitor? |
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| 15:00.14 | nsadmin | nothing |
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| 15:01.02 | nsadmin | wait, it would have to be -you- running the multimonitor system, not me :) |
| 15:01.37 | runa | nsadmin: "if I have a 4 monitor system, what stops you from running 4 ttys" :) |
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| 15:02.08 | nsadmin | I can run 4 ttys in the same window |
| 15:02.14 | runa | loves Xmonad |
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| 15:02.35 | project2501a | nsadmin: i'm trying to see if i can run 4 ttys, one on each monitor |
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| 15:02.58 | TMM | how would you switch keyboard focus? :P |
| 15:03.06 | TMM | I don't think linux is entirely ready for that |
| 15:03.10 | nsadmin | separate x server for each? |
| 15:03.29 | TMM | I think he means that he wants to run 4 'real' text consoles on each physical screen |
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| 15:03.48 | project2501a | TMM: yeah |
| 15:04.04 | nsadmin | so not x at all |
| 15:04.12 | project2501a | TMM: that's what i want. i can switch focus by either gpm or by alt+Fn |
| 15:04.15 | TMM | well, I suppose that with KMS you have one part of the puzzle, since you simply can't have multiple different VGA consoles on 1 card |
| 15:04.30 | project2501a | nsadmin: nope. no X |
| 15:04.34 | TMM | unless you have four separate cards |
| 15:04.48 | project2501a | TMM: you can't or there's not code for something like that, yet? |
| 15:05.02 | project2501a | ok, i got two vga cards. |
| 15:05.04 | TMM | if you have 1 physical card, I think you simply can't |
| 15:05.04 | project2501a | i don't have four |
| 15:05.11 | TMM | you need some graphics mode |
| 15:05.21 | project2501a | hmmmm |
| 15:05.24 | TMM | as for the rest, I don't think the software exists |
| 15:05.36 | TMM | try the multiseat stuff |
| 15:05.47 | TMM | they have some code to have 4 separate keyboards on 4 separete ttys |
| 15:05.52 | TMM | but I'm not sure that's what you want :) |
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| 15:06.41 | nsadmin | at that point you might as well get a multi serial card and real terminals |
| 15:08.02 | project2501a | not quite convinced |
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| 15:08.52 | project2501a | ok, squeeze doesn't work |
| 15:09.03 | project2501a | so, back to communism |
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| 15:09.29 | nsadmin | well to convince yourself one way or the other, look at the kernel code that handles virtual consoles |
| 15:09.33 | Emery | If i do ifconfig eth0 and get error fetching interface what's the problem ? im thinking i dont have my network drivers installed |
| 15:10.00 | nsadmin | Emery: that or it's been renamed |
| 15:10.08 | nsadmin | try looking at ifconfig -a |
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| 15:10.19 | Emery | give me a sec |
| 15:10.46 | nsadmin | and look at lsmod to see if the driver you know the name of is inserted |
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| 15:11.12 | Emery | ahh sweet |
| 15:11.16 | Emery | thanks, fixed it ;) |
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| 15:11.37 | Emery | been messing with linux all day .. minds abit baffled |
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| 15:13.12 | project2501a | ok, wall climbing time |
| 15:13.30 | TMM | 3 |
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| 15:18.04 | gypsymauro | hi, I've a debian system installed on /dev/md0 what's the best way to clone it on /dev/md1? I suppose it's using a live distro right? or can I do this having the working machine? |
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| 15:25.13 | Sevet | what's the current status of squeeze... i saw an email from a while back discussing a code freeze next month - is there an estimated release date(/month) yet? |
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| 15:31.24 | Sevet | what's the current plan for packaging mysql cluster under squeeze? |
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| 15:32.00 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 15:32.00 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 15:32.15 | SlayerXP | !siyh |
| 15:32.15 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 15:32.19 | SlayerXP | ahh |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | Sevet: as for the clustering question, you may want to check the BTS or email the maintainer |
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| 15:32.47 | Sevet | 'k, thanks |
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| 15:36.42 | silidan | problem solved |
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| 15:37.00 | silidan | by installing latest beta drivers from nvidia |
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| 15:44.16 | gypsymauro | uhm this means that debian develop is going slowly? maybe it's 'cause ubuntu gain more popularity? |
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| 15:46.45 | nsadmin | do you want new stuff sooner, or high quality and stability? |
| 15:48.48 | gypsymauro | nsadmin: no, I love debian is just a though about it.. for example debian weekly news are stopped since a while.. it seems that there are many fields where debian lost volunteers.. just wondering |
| 15:49.03 | gypsymauro | nsadmin: I will wait 2 years too for squeeze :) |
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| 15:50.57 | nsadmin | it's a trolly thought since you're trying to get a rise by comparing debian and ubuntu popularity |
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| 15:53.14 | jelly | deletes his answer and sliently curses nsadmin |
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| 15:53.40 | gypsymauro | nsadmin: this is false.. I'm not trolling at all... just wondering if this is just a mine opinion or if there are some reasons that I don't know.. I'm not offending debian developers |
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| 15:53.44 | tempuser | for quite some time now, security.debian.org has starts out pretty quick (during updates) and then between 30-45 seconds pass and it slows to a crawl <= 300bps......what gives? is it throttled that much or are they that strapped for bandwith? or ?? |
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| 15:54.11 | Absolute0 | I got an hp dvd drive and when i boot into the debian install cd, the cdrom drive is not found, isnt hp supposed to have good linux support? |
| 15:54.39 | nsadmin | the facts are that some ubuntu devs are also debian devs, so that has some tendency to help both technically... and ubuntu does not enjoy debian stability (by choice) since it grabs unstable and works on that |
| 15:54.47 | Absolute0 | i tried the cd with vmware and it worked fine so its not a broken image |
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| 15:55.29 | nsadmin | there are probably exceptions where a particular dev is in both camps |
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| 15:56.06 | nsadmin | jelly-hme: SLIENCE! |
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| 15:56.19 | nsadmin | :P |
| 15:56.43 | sepult | silencia |
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| 15:57.10 | gypsymauro | nsadmin: the question is: is debian loosing some volunteers into develop field? or is just my impression? (no troll!! just wondering) |
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| 15:58.17 | nsadmin | my impression is that some devs get tired of not being treated well by other devs |
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| 15:59.21 | abrotman | gypsymauro: you're mistaken, it is not going slowly .. |
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| 15:59.56 | paissad | how do get out of telne command ? ... |
| 16:00.05 | paissad | i did telnet localhost $port |
| 16:00.11 | abrotman | paissad: ctrl-] .. it tells you |
| 16:00.26 | paissad | abrotman, ahhhh ^ means ctrl |
| 16:00.29 | paissad | :P |
| 16:00.35 | cire | I would like to store all types of files (mainly media files with metadata) into a database based filesystem. I am no (database-)expert, and I have no knowledge if this is possible or not, but storing data in a database, which is capable of storing metadata directly connected with the binary/plaintext data would be interesting. I just those things like digikam or amarok storing metadata in some (to be updated) database, just referencing to the files in another fs. |
| 16:00.38 | cdog69 | Looks like we want to use mailman for some mailing list management on our Debian screen. Had some trouble with the initial install so have decided to uninstall and reinstall everything... which, in your opinion, would the best mail program be to use in conjunction with mailman... Postfix, Sendmail, Exim or Qmail (taken from the mailman install documentation)? |
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| 16:01.10 | tempuser | pulls out eyebrows wondering why security.debian.org is so horribly slow |
| 16:01.14 | cire | Are there any efforts made in that direction, or is this way too comlicated? |
| 16:01.15 | oreo | hey everyone; i'm having the following issue when trying to start bind9 |
| 16:01.16 | oreo | Feb 22 15:57:35 exodus named[3077]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied |
| 16:01.16 | oreo | Feb 22 15:57:35 exodus named[3077]: loading configuration: permission denied |
| 16:01.27 | abrotman | and what are the perms on that file? |
| 16:01.28 | gypsymauro | abrotman: I hope :) I love so much debian, helping just with translations :( but I'm using it from slink :) |
| 16:01.33 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an apt tool that will verify the checksum of the installed files for a package? |
| 16:01.40 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: debsums |
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| 16:01.56 | abrotman | gypsymauro: debian strives for quality .. not a scheduled release. |
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| 16:02.21 | oreo | abrotman: rw for root, r for bind |
| 16:02.32 | gypsymauro | abrotman: as I said I'm not searching a roadmap :) just wondering about the healt of the project |
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| 16:02.54 | gypsymauro | used to read DWN but it's stopped :( |
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| 16:03.11 | abrotman | gypsymauro: that's a different problem .. and there is still a DWN-ish thing |
| 16:03.12 | sepult | weekly news ? |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | gypsymauro: see times.debian.net |
| 16:03.31 | gypsymauro | sepult: yes |
| 16:03.32 | abrotman | (if it's up) |
| 16:03.33 | oreo | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 16:03.56 | abrotman | oreo: which process is running that to try to open it .. if you change it to 644, does the error go away ? |
| 16:04.28 | oreo | abrotman: i tried with 644 already and i get the same issue |
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| 16:05.27 | gypsymauro | it's down :/ |
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| 16:07.07 | abrotman | oreo: is it running in a chroot ? |
| 16:07.23 | oreo | abrotman: no, and apparmor is not running |
| 16:07.29 | oreo | (not installed either) |
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| 16:08.21 | cdog69 | Looks like we want to use mailman for some mailing list management on our Linux server. Had some trouble with the initial install so have decided to uninstall and reinstall everything... which, in your opinion, would the best mail program be to use in conjunction with mailman... Postfix, Sendmail, Exim or Qmail (taken from the mailman install documentation)? |
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| 16:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Reports a surprizing number of "no md5sums for" items. |
| 16:09.18 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: etch ? |
| 16:09.29 | abrotman | oreo: lsattr ? |
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| 16:10.15 | Titan8990 | cdog69: use what your familar with (if any), if not, choose anything except for qmail.... |
| 16:10.23 | oreo | abrotman: returns dashes |
| 16:10.41 | abrotman | oreo: if it's 644 and no attr set .. filesystem damage ? |
| 16:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: lenny. |
| 16:10.59 | oreo | abrotman: how? |
| 16:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, rkhunter reported a rootkit in the nightly run, but I'm not finding any traces of it today. |
| 16:11.21 | oreo | abrotman: files were uploaded via rsync btw |
| 16:12.15 | oreo | abrotman: and the server is a VPS |
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| 16:15.11 | oreo | anyone else could help as well? |
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| 16:16.34 | oreo | abrotman: so? |
| 16:16.57 | tudon | CyBeRLink, is spamming |
| 16:17.09 | Raydiation | where can i get help about debian packaging? |
| 16:17.43 | Raydiation | this is my basic installation for my python program http://paste.pocoo.org/show/181154/ |
| 16:18.03 | Raydiation | do i need to make a makefile? |
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| 16:18.16 | oreo | when i try to run bind as root, i get: none:0: open: /var/bind/named.conf: file not found |
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| 16:18.32 | marienz | Raydiation: if it's a python program I'd normally write a setup.py for it. It's not too hard to debianize once you have that working. |
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| 16:18.48 | nsadmin | I thought named.conf was in /etc/bind |
| 16:19.00 | Raydiation | marienz: i just convert the stuff i wrote into python right? |
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| 16:19.09 | oreo | nsadmin: yeah nvm i wrote var instead of etc in the command |
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| 16:19.55 | marienz | Raydiation: then again, maybe not in this case. That was my standard reply for "python program", the apache-specific parts don't work that well from a setup.py... |
| 16:19.56 | nsadmin | so it's working now? |
| 16:20.03 | Raydiation | marienz: my problem is that i want to ship it to arch, gentoo and debian/ubuntu, but there are different apache users and structures |
| 16:20.14 | marienz | Raydiation: (in which case please ask someone else: I speak python but not so much debian/rules) |
| 16:20.23 | marienz | nods |
| 16:20.40 | Raydiation | is there any good why how i can do this crossplatform? |
| 16:20.41 | marienz | Raydiation: that stuff isn't all that standardized, you'd have to handle that separately when packaging for each |
| 16:20.49 | Raydiation | -.- |
| 16:20.50 | marienz | at least I think that'd be the case. |
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| 16:21.04 | Raydiation | 3 different etc directories and 2 different users |
| 16:21.05 | oreo | as root it works |
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| 16:21.16 | oreo | but as bind it doesn't, even if bind has permissions |
| 16:21.29 | nsadmin | what user does bind run as? |
| 16:21.37 | Raydiation | marienz: maybe get the info from a configuration file? |
| 16:21.59 | marienz | Raydiation: that sounds considerably more awkward than just writing the packaging the way that's normal for each distro |
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| 16:22.31 | Raydiation | marienz: so i host 3 different setup.py? |
| 16:22.54 | oreo | nsadmin: runs as user bind |
| 16:23.07 | oreo | also tried to run it as bind with the command line, the same thing happens |
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| 16:23.30 | marienz | Raydiation: no, my suggestion to write a setup.py was before I noticed you had to do many apache-related things. a setup.py is great to deal with installing regular python scripts, packages and/or modules, but there are probably standard ways to deal with the apache-specific parts that you can do from debian/rules or an ebuild or the like but not from setup.py |
| 16:23.39 | nsadmin | what perms does /etc have? /etc/bind? |
| 16:24.06 | oreo | drwxr-x--- 2 root bind 4096 Dec 31 16:35 . |
| 16:24.06 | oreo | drwxr-xr-x 56 root root 4096 Feb 22 15:55 .. |
| 16:24.11 | oreo | (taken in /etc/bind) |
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| 16:25.13 | oreo | fixed the issue i think |
| 16:25.27 | oreo | dunno why, but i had to do this: chmod g+rx,o+rx / |
| 16:25.29 | oreo | weird |
| 16:25.34 | oreo | i had never touched those |
| 16:25.39 | oreo | maybe it's rsync's fault |
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| 16:26.32 | nsadmin | your / was 700? |
| 16:26.34 | Raydiation | marienz: is this channel here the right place to talk about deb packaging? or is there a channel which offers support for packaging? |
| 16:27.01 | dashs | What is the name of the kernel feature which kills processes that may be over-consuming? |
| 16:27.09 | abrotman | Raydiation: you might get more assistance on #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:27.12 | oreo | nsadmin: it seems |
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| 16:27.22 | Raydiation | abrotman: ty |
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| 16:27.26 | abrotman | dashs: there's one for RAM, not sure about CPU time .. you can re-nice stuff though |
| 16:27.41 | marienz | Raydiation: I don't know, sorry, I was just passing by here. |
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| 16:28.01 | fale | hi |
| 16:28.01 | dashs | abrotman: one I'm thinking of is automatic (usually for memory) |
| 16:28.35 | fale | I have created a repo http://f4l3.net/grimp/1/binary/ ...how can I autenticate the packages? I have to create a file? |
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| 16:29.16 | nsadmin | oreo so is it working now? |
| 16:29.31 | abrotman | dashs: the RAM one is the OOM killer .. |
| 16:29.38 | oreo | nsadmin: yeah, managed to make dovecot work too |
| 16:29.39 | dashs | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 16:29.46 | oreo | now exim quit right after launching |
| 16:29.49 | oreo | need to investigate |
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| 16:39.48 | ilaiho | latex antiqua font appears to be broken |
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| 16:53.00 | do0ob | Hi all |
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| 16:53.47 | do0ob | is it possible to enable the low memory killer for specific processes, aka, chromium-browser the newest fork-bomb on the linux scene |
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| 17:04.10 | DipSwitch | Hi all, is it possible to run a system install of a Debian Lenny LiveCD? |
| 17:04.18 | DipSwitch | i can't find the damn app :/ |
| 17:04.31 | rvsjoen | I installed firmware-linux-nonfree and when I start Xorg I see r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/RV730_cp.bin", that file does not exists, however "RV730_me.bin and RV730_pfp.bin" does, does anyone know which is the correct one ? |
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| 17:05.24 | rvsjoen | the card is ati mobility radeon hd4670, and it categorized onder RV730 at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 17:07.20 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: you mean r600_dri.so ? |
| 17:07.48 | rvsjoen | likely, dmesg says '[ 1076.301099] r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/RV730_cp.bin"' |
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| 17:08.25 | rvsjoen | and /lib/firmware/radeon/RV730_cp.bin does not exist |
| 17:08.36 | abrotman | DipSwitch: currently, i don't think it is |
| 17:09.02 | rvsjoen | it doesnt even have debootstrap ? |
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| 17:09.13 | DipSwitch | abrotman: hm sucks couldn't find it anywhere on google to |
| 17:09.20 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: isnt it RV710_cp.bin or RV730_cp.bin ? |
| 17:09.25 | spastorino | hi i'm having troubles with iceweasel |
| 17:09.46 | spastorino | it hungs after a few minutes, i'm on testing |
| 17:10.01 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: what do you mean |
| 17:10.23 | diabel- | Hi |
| 17:10.46 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: i backported my linux-firmware-nonfree from SID for that purpose to squeeze |
| 17:10.49 | DipSwitch | spastorino: Are you shure it's not a java script which hangs or an flash application? is it on all the sites? |
| 17:11.32 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: this is on sid, and the package firmware-linux-free contains /lib/firmware/radeon/RV730_me.bin and /lib/firmware/radeon/RV730_pfp.bin, but no RV730_cp.bin |
| 17:11.36 | diabel- | I've got still messages in syslog like "Feb 21 20:24:41 zserouter kernel: martian source 192.168.33.30 from 192.168.33.1, on dev eth1" in some random classes what does it mean? |
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| 17:12.03 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: to my knowledge RV730 needs mesa 7.7 and latest xorg-ati also, both or not in squeeze yet |
| 17:12.09 | rvsjoen | sorry, firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:12.12 | macrobat | spastorino: are you running flash? try with plugins disabled |
| 17:12.17 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: ah ok |
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| 17:12.40 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: let me check again |
| 17:13.04 | spastorino | it hungs with iceweasel with only one blank tab open |
| 17:13.27 | rvsjoen | the reason I am pursuing this in the first place is that fglrx is broken against Xorg, so I have to use the radeon driver, which is really not performing, even scrolling terminals and moving windows is laggy as shit |
| 17:14.13 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:14.18 | ntsasng | I can't biuld goldendict |
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| 17:14.25 | ntsasng | help |
| 17:14.28 | ntsasng | plz |
| 17:14.28 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: it shoul dbe there, as is in mine |
| 17:14.43 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: there is no RV730_cp.bin file there ? |
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| 17:14.56 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: it should |
| 17:15.02 | rvsjoen | well it isnt :P |
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| 17:15.21 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: let me backport it again, give me a sec |
| 17:15.40 | ntsasng | http://download.berlios.de/goldendict/goldendict-0.9.0-linux-i386.tar.bz2 |
| 17:16.06 | ntsasng | I don't know build it |
| 17:16.47 | ntsasng | how is build it? |
| 17:16.49 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: yep, both files RV730_me.bin and RV730_pfp.bin are in it |
| 17:16.51 | ntsasng | Help |
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| 17:16.58 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: found this, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg52493.html |
| 17:17.32 | rvsjoen | sorry, wrong link, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568846 |
| 17:18.03 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: i think its fixed, i downloaded the sources again from sid, and builded the package, they are in and no errors |
| 17:18.11 | Titan8990 | ntsasng: that is not debian software. it would be best if you went to goldendict's support location |
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| 17:18.40 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: yes, but I am using 2.6.30-2, and these files are expected to be right after 2.6.31 |
| 17:18.45 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:18.45 | Titan8990 | ntsasng: otherwise read the docs that came with the tarballl (typically INSTALL README or etc) |
| 17:18.47 | rvsjoen | so that explains it |
| 17:18.57 | ntsasng | Titan8990: thank |
| 17:18.59 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: hehe, you need at least 2.6.32-8 or newer |
| 17:19.12 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: yup, will do an upgrade |
| 17:19.22 | ntsasng | it hasn't Install readme.txt |
| 17:19.22 | ntsasng | :( |
| 17:19.34 | rvsjoen | next problem :P for the life of me I can't get my intel-hda sound working |
| 17:19.47 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: fyi, development is still not compleet for your card even up till 2.6.33-rc8 |
| 17:19.51 | rvsjoen | alsactrl init, is fine, finds all the outputs and everything looks ok |
| 17:20.22 | rvsjoen | it's a fairly new card, so I dont really expect it to |
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| 17:20.49 | rvsjoen | im happy with just a little bit of acceleration :P so I can scroll my terminals |
| 17:20.51 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: thats an easy one, its fixed in 2.6.32-8 alsa, alsa is now in the kernel, no need to bake your own module |
| 17:21.13 | rvsjoen | oh, so hopefully that will be solved after the upgrade as well |
| 17:21.44 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: prolly, but SID is shaky atm, i did all in squeez and that worked excellent |
| 17:21.56 | dutchfish | s/squeez/squeeze |
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| 17:22.14 | rvsjoen | yeah, been thinking about going back to testing |
| 17:22.23 | oggei | moin |
| 17:22.41 | rvsjoen | makes bit of extra work though, and i'm not sure how my wlan driver would handle it |
| 17:22.47 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: the only pity was the get mesa 7.7-3 working under squeezem the rest is easy |
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| 17:23.06 | rvsjoen | 7.7 is not even in sid ? |
| 17:23.52 | DipSwitch | dutchfish: is SID really bad atm? I would be using my own kernel en drivers etc |
| 17:24.00 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: i used: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libgl1-mesa-dev (the only one that worked ok for RV620 and up) |
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| 17:25.05 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: or you have to be patient till it hits testing |
| 17:25.19 | rvsjoen | patience is not my strongest feature |
| 17:25.26 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: ;) |
| 17:25.39 | rvsjoen | i'll consider going to testing and doing the backports, but i'll give the kernel upgrade on sid a go first |
| 17:25.43 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 17:25.57 | dutchfish | rvsjoen: good luck, yw |
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| 17:26.59 | spastorino | hi i'm having troubles with iceweasel, it hungs a few minutes after i start it with no pages open stacktrace here http://pastie.org/837111 macrobat DipSwitch take a look |
| 17:27.07 | rvsjoen | on a completely different note, is there an easy way to make m-a automagically install the modules on a kernel upgrade ? |
| 17:27.33 | DipSwitch | rvsjoen: m-a a-i |
| 17:27.55 | DipSwitch | ow w8 i don't read ^^ |
| 17:28.06 | rvsjoen | that will reinstall all previously installed modules ? |
| 17:28.18 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 17:28.39 | rvsjoen | man m-a |
| 17:28.44 | rvsjoen | woops, wrong window |
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| 17:30.46 | rvsjoen | one of the most annoying parts about a kernel upgrade in apt is having to rebuild and reinstall the modules, just wondering if there is some post-upgrade hook or something to automate it |
| 17:31.20 | asaleem | Can debian installer access htpasswd protected preseed file? |
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| 17:32.38 | dutchfish | asaleem: as in installing over an existing install-base? |
| 17:33.01 | DipSwitch | spastorino: hmm I've no idea you could try to backup your iceweasel settings in /home and then remove them maybe it crashes on creading the configs |
| 17:33.18 | DipSwitch | reading* |
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| 17:33.38 | spastorino | DipSwitch: i just done a mv .mozilla .mozilla.old and restarted |
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| 17:33.46 | spastorino | waiting for the crash |
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| 17:35.20 | asaleem | dutchfish, I mean a new install from scratch |
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| 17:35.39 | dutchfish | asaleem: ok http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 17:36.12 | dutchfish | asaleem: and http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apb.html |
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| 17:36.45 | DipSwitch | dutchfish: you know by accident if it's possible to run the installer from a debian live cd? I'm trying to implement root partition crypto |
| 17:37.08 | DipSwitch | which would be possible from install when i can or run apt-get from the netinstall |
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| 17:37.19 | dutchfish | asaleem: for a root passwd http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-account |
| 17:37.20 | DipSwitch | or run the install from the live cd :p |
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| 17:39.26 | Titan8990 | DipSwitch: installation via the livecd is typically not recommended. its much better to use cd1 or netinst |
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| 17:40.10 | Titan8990 | DipSwitch: sorry, I misunderstood and thought you were suggesting the livecd to asaleem |
| 17:40.11 | asaleem | dutchfish, let me clarify it a bit. I am automating the installation with preseed file which I have placed inside the html dir of one of our web server. I dont want that anonymous users can see/access that preseed file |
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| 17:41.02 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: hehe, annoying, I did an upgrade, booted the new kernel and both the sound and the video is find, however now I need to install the wlan driver (broadcom-sta) using m-a :) and I can't do that because m-a needs the friggin kernel headers to be downloaded |
| 17:41.04 | dutchfish | asaleem: then don't, preseeding passwords is on clever in a protected envirenment |
| 17:41.10 | rvsjoen | s/find/fine |
| 17:41.17 | dutchfish | s/on/only |
| 17:41.21 | DipSwitch | hehe np Titan8990 =) |
| 17:41.27 | asaleem | dutchfish, I want to protect the preseed file with htpassword |
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| 17:41.41 | dutchfish | asaleem: don't |
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| 17:42.01 | asaleem | dutchfish, hmmm ... |
| 17:42.24 | Joelio | asleem: restrict to known IP blocks? |
| 17:42.25 | DipSwitch | hmm found another idea wonder if it will work :p |
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| 17:42.35 | rvsjoen | anyway, i'll just have to boot back and install them |
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| 17:44.13 | dutchfish | asaleem: but nothing prevents you to ask for a password and merge that into your script that produces a one time pre-seed file for that one purpose (use ssl) |
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| 17:47.47 | rvsjoen | hm, isn't it a bit weird that sound works without headphones, but not when I plug in headphones ? |
| 17:48.01 | DipSwitch | rvsjoen: i have the same problem |
| 17:48.11 | rvsjoen | did you fix it ? |
| 17:48.19 | DipSwitch | yeah.. wel gonna do it now |
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| 17:48.33 | rvsjoen | hehe |
| 17:48.41 | DipSwitch | it got to do that your headphone uses the HDAudio |
| 17:49.07 | DipSwitch | and alsa still uses the other chipset |
| 17:49.18 | DipSwitch | the intel audio supports HD and non hd |
| 17:49.25 | DipSwitch | alsa uses the non hd |
| 17:49.33 | DipSwitch | by default anyhow |
| 17:49.40 | rvsjoen | so its just the alsa configuration |
| 17:50.00 | DipSwitch | guess so |
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| 17:50.24 | DipSwitch | you could also switch the audio font panel plug on the motherboard |
| 17:50.36 | rvsjoen | not so sure my laptop would like that |
| 17:50.42 | DipSwitch | ow laptop |
| 17:50.43 | DipSwitch | xD |
| 17:50.57 | spastorino | DipSwitch: now it's working |
| 17:51.06 | spastorino | perhaps some plugin ... or something |
| 17:51.10 | rvsjoen | so what does it imply that alsa is not in the kernel, do I still need the alsa packages ? |
| 17:51.15 | rvsjoen | s/not/now |
| 17:51.21 | DipSwitch | spastorino: yeah or some config file it couldn't read |
| 17:51.30 | DipSwitch | although that souldn't make him crash |
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| 17:51.57 | DipSwitch | no it's just a setting rvsjoen don't know where however :p |
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| 17:52.34 | rvsjoen | alsa always seemed a bit.. unconfigurable to me |
| 17:53.11 | jair | hello guys, I am trying to find the best way to make a command to start when debian start. I want to have this running after debian is ready to be log in for example when all the init scripts run, (run level 5 on my case) and the command will mount a share file on a windows machine to the debian desktop: smbmount \\\\10.66.28.200\\surveys /home/tec/Desktop/survey -o username=administrator |
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| 17:53.23 | harovali | hi , is there any sort of process log in debian , so that I can monitor things after they occurred ? A sort of syslog but for processes that aren't daemons ; maybe a sort of kernel module that outputs information about certain processes tha I want to monitor ? |
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| 17:53.33 | jair | that is basically the command I need to run I already test and works if I do it manually |
| 17:53.59 | rvsjoen | jair: /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 17:54.12 | jair | the only problem is I will be prompt for a password but I can send the password using the smbmount as well. |
| 17:54.26 | rvsjoen | sorry, /etc/rc.local |
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| 17:54.51 | jair | rvsjoen: so if I add the command to that file it will run that after all init scripts etc... gdm greeter and everything started |
| 17:54.56 | DipSwitch | jareth_: you can use fstab to auto mount samba systems |
| 17:55.02 | DipSwitch | jair: ^ |
| 17:55.20 | rvsjoen | jair: that script is run at the end of every multi-user runlevel |
| 17:55.36 | rvsjoen | or even automount |
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| 17:55.47 | jair | rvsjoen: great let me give it a try |
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| 17:56.27 | jair | DipSwitch: yes? |
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| 17:56.56 | DipSwitch | jair: you can use fstab to auto mount samba systems |
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| 17:58.51 | taras | iptables-save says file not found for /proc/net/ip_tables_names |
| 17:59.00 | taras | why that? |
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| 17:59.35 | jair | DipSwitch: that's true, that could be another option |
| 18:00.35 | jair | DipSwitch: thank you for that suggestion. I will try using the rc.local see if it works because this is just a share file. it is not really a very important disk dedicated to the debian server |
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| 18:03.19 | pandaroo | Hello. I've just installed lenny and switched to squeeze's repositories for aptitude. Now it shows several hundred upgradable packages. Would upgrading all of those packages amount to a dist-upgrade or should I explicitly do one? |
| 18:03.59 | DipSwitch | you can use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade to pandaroo ;) |
| 18:04.17 | rvsjoen | dpkg backports |
| 18:04.17 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:05.14 | pandaroo | DipSwitch, do you mean there's no practical difference between the two? I thought there might be something magical in a dist-upgrade:) |
| 18:05.50 | rvsjoen | pandaroo: what is your goal, to install a newer version of aptitude, or to upgrade to squeeze ? |
| 18:06.08 | pandaroo | rvsjoen, I want to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 18:06.22 | abrotman | !tell pandaroo about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:06.36 | Devastator | pandaroo aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 18:06.54 | jimcooncat | !tell jimcooncat about lenny->squeeze |
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| 18:07.58 | abrotman | Devastator: wrong .. |
| 18:08.06 | jair | rvsjoen: so I will need to change the execution bit from the (0) default to 1 and add the command there? |
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| 18:08.53 | Devastator | abrotman ops, I forgot aptitude install aptitude |
| 18:09.38 | cusco | hi |
| 18:09.46 | cusco | decode-dimms is not returning the wished output |
| 18:09.49 | pandaroo | I would also like to know what happens behind the curtains of aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude full upgrade and their difference from manually upgrading individual packages in aptitude if it's not too much trouble. |
| 18:09.58 | cusco | Number of SDRAM DIMMs detected and decoded: 0 |
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| 18:10.12 | AimHere | Fuck off Trice |
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| 18:10.18 | cusco | !op Trice |
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| 18:10.35 | Shadur | !ops Trice is trying to send a DCC exploit. |
| 18:10.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: shadur complains about: Trice is trying to send a DCC exploit. |
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| 18:11.07 | Shadur | Thank you. |
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| 18:11.55 | cusco | yea... |
| 18:11.57 | cusco | so ... |
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| 18:12.04 | cusco | decode-dimms is not working as expected? |
| 18:12.09 | jair | rvsjoen: that did not work or I did something wrong |
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| 18:12.24 | pandaroo | Well OK thanks everyone for all the help, I'll go upgrade my distro now |
| 18:12.46 | jair | rvsjoen: I changed the exit 0 to exit 1 and added the command: smbmount \\\\10.66.28.200\\surveys /home/tec/Desktop/survey -o username=administrator%secretpass |
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| 18:13.40 | rvsjoen | why would you change it to exit 1 ? |
| 18:14.06 | jair | I thought that is what the examplation wanted me to do? |
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| 18:14.13 | jair | change the bit value |
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| 18:14.25 | jair | rvsjoen: ok I put it back to zero and reboot |
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| 18:14.29 | rvsjoen | the execution bit is the file permissions |
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| 18:14.53 | jair | rvsjoen: all I have to do is add the command before the lst line "exit 0" and should work? |
| 18:15.16 | jair | rvsjoen: I hope that's it. I am waiting to the system reboot |
| 18:15.17 | rvsjoen | jair: as long as /etc/rc.local is executable, yes |
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| 18:16.06 | rvsjoen | jair: add something else to verify, like "logger hello world" |
| 18:16.19 | rvsjoen | jair: then look in the system log to see if it ran |
| 18:16.20 | jair | rvsjoen: this is what the script says:http://paste.debian.net/60984/ |
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| 18:16.32 | jair | rvsjoen: ok |
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| 18:16.47 | rvsjoen | it says to make sure it exits with status 0 on success |
| 18:16.58 | rvsjoen | and that +x (executable) bit is set |
| 18:17.45 | rvsjoen | arg, can't make alsa work |
| 18:17.47 | jair | rvsjoen: I see. OK this is how I have it:http://paste.debian.net/60985/ |
| 18:17.56 | silidan | does anyone here know when QT 4.6.2 will be in debian sid repos? |
| 18:18.27 | rvsjoen | jair: you might want to use the full path to smbmount |
| 18:19.32 | jair | ohhhh ok I will see if it works without it first |
| 18:19.46 | jair | rvsjoen: I will let you k now |
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| 18:20.19 | jair | rvsjoen: xenon:/etc# ls -l rc.local |
| 18:20.20 | jair | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 306 2009-05-29 05:07 rc.local |
| 18:20.34 | jair | rvsjoen: it looks like by default it is executable |
| 18:20.55 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 18:21.27 | jair | rvsjoen: it works! |
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| 18:21.43 | jair | rvsjoen: great. it works even without adding the full path |
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| 18:22.34 | rvsjoen | good |
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| 18:23.46 | sigmonsays | anyone familiar with distutils packaging in deb? Having a strange issue where it's puting files outside my install prefix |
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| 18:31.02 | squisher | hm, anyone know why virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6-686 was removed from sid? I can't seem to find a similar meta-package which will always pull in the modules for the kernel |
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| 18:32.19 | toolz | ok, I keep having problems with floods in the last days, is there any way to avoid getting flooded |
| 18:32.23 | toolz | I get 400-500k packets per sec |
| 18:32.29 | toolz | and it fucks up everything |
| 18:32.35 | toolz | is there any way to avoid this? |
| 18:32.40 | toolz | with iptables? |
| 18:33.16 | squisher | toolz, I think there's a rate limit or something like that... I myself use the firewall 'shorewall' which has some support for this |
| 18:33.34 | squisher | don't know if it'll solve exactly your problem, but it might be worth a look |
| 18:33.36 | rvsjoen | what are these packets |
| 18:33.43 | cantoma | guys, I have a process id that I am trying to kill. kill id is not enough. ps -x shows that he is still there. How can I force it? |
| 18:33.53 | rvsjoen | kill -KILL |
| 18:34.01 | toolz | rvsjoen, for example |
| 18:34.08 | toolz | 500K packtes per sec |
| 18:34.09 | toolz | on ssh |
| 18:34.11 | toolz | or apache |
| 18:34.13 | toolz | or another port |
| 18:34.16 | toolz | from different ips |
| 18:34.28 | rvsjoen | toolz: I mean, do they have anything in common ? are they all SYN packets ? |
| 18:34.29 | toolz | different but they keep coming |
| 18:34.45 | cantoma | rvsjoen, thanks |
| 18:35.27 | toolz | 01:16:07.549191 IP serapisbey.com.57235 > 188.212.106.58.ssh: UDP, length 1 |
| 18:35.29 | toolz | like this |
| 18:35.32 | toolz | from tcpdump |
| 18:35.47 | rvsjoen | are they all udp packets ? |
| 18:36.00 | toolz | yea and I cant block udp cause I will lock my services aswell |
| 18:36.15 | rvsjoen | so will rate limiting |
| 18:36.40 | rvsjoen | unless you can 'whitelist' your own services |
| 18:36.44 | jelly-hme | toolz: if it's udp, you can easily block it on ports for services that don't use ssh |
| 18:36.46 | toolz | 01:16:07.547092 IP kelloggx.peace.nd.edu.54867 > 188.212.106.58.ssh: UDP, length 1 |
| 18:36.48 | toolz | and so on.. |
| 18:37.22 | jelly-hme | toolz: not that it'll help you much... consult your ISP to block those udp floods at the router |
| 18:37.40 | rvsjoen | would anyone happen to have a working 'Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' card ? |
| 18:38.10 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen: should use the common snd_hda_intel driver |
| 18:38.16 | jelly-hme | rvsjoen: ask your real question |
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| 18:38.32 | rvsjoen | I only have sound when the headphones are not plugged in |
| 18:39.16 | jelly-hme | rvsjoen: uname -r? |
| 18:39.26 | rvsjoen | 2.6.32-2-amd64 |
| 18:39.27 | cahoot | rvsjoen: might be you need a moduleoption |
| 18:39.40 | toolz | jelly-hme, at least when a flood comes how do I log the packets |
| 18:39.43 | rvsjoen | cahoot: probably, I tried 'model=basic' so far |
| 18:39.46 | toolz | to block the IPs afterwards? |
| 18:39.52 | toolz | or to pass them to the ISP |
| 18:40.01 | jelly-hme | toolz: tcpdump can be used there. |
| 18:40.20 | toolz | yeah but Im not always online when I'm being flooded |
| 18:40.42 | jelly-hme | toolz: you can leave it running and logging udp traffic to a file |
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| 18:41.21 | volandt | hi everybody |
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| 18:41.28 | jelly-hme | toolz: make sure to filter out proper services over udp, if you provide any |
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| 18:43.25 | asaleem | dutchfish, I got a better solution. I can put n the preseed file in initrd |
| 18:43.31 | tobe | hi, I added two cnames to my bind9 configuration. I can ping one, but not the other. How can this happen? |
| 18:44.07 | jelly-hme | tobe: um... what has pinging have to do with bind? |
| 18:44.41 | dutchfish | asaleem: mm... i don't know its easy to uncompress it and take a peak |
| 18:44.46 | jelly-hme | tobe: are you just using ping as a resolver tool? Use host or fig instead. |
| 18:44.52 | jelly-hme | er, dig. |
| 18:45.02 | tobe | yeah, ok, the nslookup works, but not ping |
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| 18:45.36 | dutchfish | asaleem: my first rule: dont ever store passwords |
| 18:45.47 | asaleem | dutchfish, it is not that daunting, I have already done it to put bnx2 driver |
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| 18:47.04 | tobe | ahh, i setup my own server as dns and alternative my router if my server is down, and so it used the dns of the router... |
| 18:47.10 | tobe | thanks to you and dig :) |
| 18:47.15 | dutchfish | asaleem: or make it a random password that need to be changed at first boot or none at all |
| 18:47.23 | asaleem | dutchfish, I have md5 hash of the password in the preseed file and still I wanted to protect it with htpasswd. But inside initrd it would be fine |
| 18:48.08 | dutchfish | asaleem: it's your party, but i would handle it not that way |
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| 18:49.38 | dutchfish | asaleem: but maube others have an even better solution for passwords/preseed file on install |
| 18:49.46 | dutchfish | s/naube/maybe |
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| 18:50.51 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 18:50.51 | asaleem | dutchfish, I agree |
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| 18:51.18 | rvsjoen | dipswitch: found a setting for the sound |
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| 18:51.52 | DipSwitch | grz ^^ |
| 18:52.16 | rvsjoen | I set options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6 and options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1, the sound works now |
| 18:53.16 | rvsjoen | only bad part is it play some scary sound when its ready for login and when i'm shutting down, a really short burst of noise, really loud |
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| 18:53.29 | rvsjoen | that's probably not alsa though |
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| 18:54.24 | Luser | rvsjoen, how did you find out? for me the problem is: no sound in the headphones.. |
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| 18:54.54 | elb0w | What package has stdlib? |
| 18:55.19 | Luser | i will bruteforce all possible models I think |
| 18:55.32 | Titan8990 | elb0w: libc6 |
| 18:55.37 | rvsjoen | luser: I googled around on my laptop model, found it in a gentoo forum |
| 18:57.23 | jelly-hme | rvsjoen: don't options have to be listed in one options modulename line? |
| 18:58.41 | rvsjoen | jelly-hme: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf doesnt seem to care |
| 18:59.08 | rvsjoen | wait, maybe youre right |
| 18:59.18 | rvsjoen | probably the last option is not in effect then |
| 18:59.47 | jelly-hme | rvsjoen: /proc/interrupts will show if MSI is in effect for that device |
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| 19:00.07 | jelly-hme | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.06 | dutchfish | asaleem: no, the only goo doption i see, is to generate the preseed file on the fly by script, wich includes the genration, or asking of the password |
| 19:02.17 | dutchfish | asaleem: if generated you need a method of save receiving it also |
| 19:02.23 | rvsjoen | jelly-hme: yup, there are interrupts on two cores |
| 19:02.39 | dutchfish | s/save/safe |
| 19:02.43 | rvsjoen | no, one core, sorry |
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| 19:02.53 | rvsjoen | two irq lines |
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| 19:05.05 | dutchfish | asaleem: that way th epassword is never stored at all |
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| 19:06.30 | paissad | how can i remove messages in the queue ? (maillq) |
| 19:06.33 | paissad | mailq* |
| 19:06.45 | asaleem | dutchfish, hmm .... |
| 19:07.14 | dutchfish | asaleem: scripting that over an ssl ocnnection isnt thta hard |
| 19:08.02 | dutchfish | asaleem: on first logon they can change it anyway to a more desirable password if needed |
| 19:09.03 | dondelelcaro | paissad: depends on which MTA you're using |
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| 19:09.12 | paissad | postfix |
| 19:09.15 | paissad | procmail |
| 19:09.28 | dondelelcaro | paissad: man postqueue for details |
| 19:09.29 | abrotman | paissad: postsuper -D <messageID> |
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| 19:10.08 | ircDon | Hey, I am attempting a new install of kde-full and I am being blocked by an uninstallable "libxxf86misc1." Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 19:10.23 | abrotman | ircDon: in which version of Debian? |
| 19:10.28 | ircDon | Sid |
| 19:10.40 | ircDon | AMD64 |
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| 19:10.57 | ircDon | The problematic package [http://packages.debian.org/sid/libxxf86misc1] is listed only for other architectures. |
| 19:11.09 | abrotman | ircDon: perhaps start with a smaller subset of kde |
| 19:11.13 | ircDon | But still a full dependency of kde-full. |
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| 19:11.21 | ircDon | Actually it applies to all of the sets. |
| 19:11.39 | ircDon | [http://packages.debian.org/sid/kdebase-workspace-bin] creates the dependency |
| 19:11.48 | l0rd_hex | I have a hostap question on a debian box, is there a channel better than this one to ask it in? |
| 19:12.13 | abrotman | ircDon: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568285 |
| 19:12.21 | ircDon | I could report it is a bug but it seems pretty serious, so I was hoping someone already found it before me. |
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| 19:13.14 | ircDon | abrotman - you are a better bug database searcher than I - I didn't see that when I looked - sorry. |
| 19:13.27 | abrotman | !tell ircDon about removals |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | ircDon: because it wasn't on the package you were looking at .. |
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| 19:13.59 | abrotman | ircDon: have you try a -R with your aptitude install kde-full ? |
| 19:14.36 | MariachiAC | Hello. Can I get support in ding a debian install of squeeze by using debootstrap? I've attempted the process many times, but I'm unable to install the boot loader and unable to do MAKEDEV generic. I've never done the process, but would like to this way I'm familiar with the process. Normally I'd do the installation with brltty, but the accessibility options are broken and upgrading a machine from Debian Lenny to Squeze causes problems with |
| 19:14.36 | l0rd_hex | well my question is, I have an atheros 5k card in my machine and I'm currently using the ath5k drivers.. I want to make an access point and use hostapd to manage it, I noticed in the config is says to use driver=madwifi |
| 19:14.57 | ircDon | I tried -R, still no go. |
| 19:15.00 | abrotman | ircDon: what does 'aptitude why libxxf86misc1' say ? |
| 19:15.09 | ircDon | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:15.09 | ircDon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.32 | ircDon | coffee:~# aptitude why libxxf86misc1 |
| 19:15.32 | ircDon | i pidgin Suggests gnome-panel (>= 2.1) | kdebase-workspace-bin |
| 19:15.32 | ircDon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.32 | ircDon | pB kdebase-workspace-bin Depends libxxf86misc1 |
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| 19:16.01 | abrotman | ircDon: paste.debian.net |
| 19:16.05 | ircDon | doh |
| 19:16.33 | rvsjoen | hmm.. shouldnt symlinking in libflashplayer.so be enought to make flash work in firefox ? |
| 19:16.44 | rvsjoen | after installing flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:18.26 | ircDon | So it seems Bug 568285 should be reopened? |
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| 19:19.03 | ircDon | Er 559691 |
| 19:19.39 | ircDon | OK, 559691 is pending, excuse my slow navigation of the connections. |
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| 19:20.05 | Sebboh | Can I instruct apt-get to download a package and all deps, but not start the installation? ..My cpu is busy right now, but my network is not. :P |
| 19:20.28 | dutchfish | Sebboh: -d |
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| 19:21.37 | abrotman | ircDon: why reopened ? |
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| 19:21.53 | Sebboh | danke. |
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| 19:22.33 | kshah | link for tcp port management on debian? |
| 19:22.43 | abrotman | ircDon: more likely a bug should be filed against kdebase-workspace-bin because a package it depends on has been removed. |
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| 19:22.49 | ircDon | Well 568285 is being blocked by 559691 which is pending. |
| 19:23.33 | abrotman | ircDon: yes, that bug that i didn't find |
| 19:23.53 | ircDon | abrotman: Yeah, the oddness is that 559691 is against kdebase-workspace rather than kdebase-workspace-bin which is the package that actually has the dependency. |
| 19:24.11 | abrotman | ircDon: appears that it will be done in next upload .. who knows when that might be |
| 19:24.42 | ircDon | abrotman: I could be misreading this - perhaps kdebase-workspace also had the dependency but it is now fixed. |
| 19:25.01 | ircDon | abrotman: OK, I am going to file a new bug against kdebase-workspace-bin. |
| 19:25.20 | abrotman | ircDon: it already has one ... |
| 19:25.47 | abrotman | ircDon: and the maintainer is already aware that this was going to happen .. i'm sure he knows that it's been removed |
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| 19:27.08 | alsuren | is there a list anywhere of debian packages sorted by how long it took to build them? |
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| 19:27.51 | ircDon | abrotman: So we can assume that the bug against "kdebase-workspace" is understood to apply to "kdebase-workspace-bin?" |
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| 19:29.35 | ircDon | abrotman: Thanks for all the help and bug searching. I guess I'll have to wait or force an install of the package. |
| 19:29.55 | ircDon | abrotman: The really weird thing is that it seems to be OK for x86 but not amd64. |
| 19:30.21 | ircDon | abrotman: So I am just worried there might have been an oversight in the fix somewhere but I'd have to take a look at the code to be sure. |
| 19:30.27 | alsuren | https://buildd.debian.org/ seems to list the start and end times of all builds, so it doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to extract how long each build took |
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| 19:34.05 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian lenny , tried to mount remote windows shared drive, using -t cifs and smbfs both are not working, at the time i have samba installed , for cisf i got "CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22" , any comment ? |
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| 19:35.43 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: what version of debian? |
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| 19:38.05 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, lenny |
| 19:39.28 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, i tried to google the returned error, but wasn't a useful results and even doesn't match the same error i got |
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| 19:43.58 | f00bar80 | any comment ???? |
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| 19:46.34 | pandaroo | Hello again. I've upgraded to squeeze but now the system won't show the display manager and the screen will stay black under kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686. It works fine under kernel 2.6.26. Is this a common occurrence? |
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| 19:49.09 | abrotman | ircDon: the bug was filed against the source package |
| 19:49.24 | abrotman | !tell ircDon about sdn |
| 19:49.35 | ircDon | abrotman: Sorry, when I said it was OK for x86 I was basing that on the fact that I installed kde on an x86 system successfully yesterday. |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | ircDon: if you really want kde .. you could get the old package from the sdn stuff |
| 19:49.46 | rvsjoen | is 2.6.32 in squeeze ? |
| 19:50.06 | ircDon | abrotman: The x86 machine had lines for both sid and testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:50.23 | abrotman | rvsjoen: yes |
| 19:50.30 | abrotman | ircDon: ah okay .. that's another way |
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| 19:51.13 | guysoft42 | hi all, is there a command that will tell me what service is using port 80? because apache will not start, calming something is hogging the port |
| 19:51.25 | ircDon | abrotman: So let me sum up my findings, currently KDE can not be installed on Sid due to that dependency on an old package. As a workaround adding testing to the sources.list will let aptitude pull the old package in an fill the dependency for an install. |
| 19:51.59 | abrotman | ircDon: or getting the package manually (i'd probably do that), and then installing kde-full as normal |
| 19:52.03 | ircDon | abortman: Thanks again for your help, sorry my story has been so confused but the chat has helped me thing through it. |
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| 19:52.07 | abrotman | guysoft42: fuser or lsof |
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| 19:52.25 | guysoft42 | abrotman, lsof did not help, i was just trying fuser now |
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| 19:52.31 | ircDon | abtorman: Yeah, I'll at least remove testing from sources after the install. |
| 19:52.34 | guysoft42 | it gave me a pid, looking for it now |
| 19:52.39 | guysoft42 | abrotman, thanks though :) |
| 19:52.51 | abrotman | guysoft42: lsof would help if you'd read the man page :) |
| 19:52.57 | Luser | ircDon, in a way, you could always leave testing and even stable in your sources.list. that's what i do |
| 19:53.05 | abrotman | i would never do that |
| 19:53.16 | ircDon | Luser: Yeah, there are a lot of debates on that. |
| 19:53.17 | Luser | why? |
| 19:53.53 | Luser | I thought the same too but it proved me differently, you stay on your branch unless something is missing |
| 19:54.36 | rvsjoen | ok, if which firefox says /home/rvsjoe/bin/firefox, and it is a symlink to /home/rvsjoen/apps/firefox-3.6/firefox, why the heck does it start iceweasel |
| 19:54.45 | Luser | whis is very rare |
| 19:55.12 | valdyn | rvsjoen: "hash -r" and try again |
| 19:55.24 | ircDon | Luser: The Debian docs explicitly request users not to do it. Let me see if I can find the reference. |
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| 19:56.31 | rvsjoen | valdyn: that works, is that shell-local ? |
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| 19:59.06 | valdyn | rvsjoen: its only needed shell-local |
| 19:59.35 | rvsjoen | does anyone know if there are known issues between ff3.6 and flash 10.0r45 ? |
| 19:59.57 | abrotman | rvsjoen: you mean IW3.6 ? |
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| 20:00.07 | rvsjoen | abrotman: no, I mean ff |
| 20:00.22 | abrotman | rvsjoen: ask them, there isn't a 3.6 package in debian |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | (though i know FF3.6 on windows is busted with vmware management console) |
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| 20:01.00 | rvsjoen | ff3.6 works fine on my desktop (on 32bit) |
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| 20:01.43 | abrotman | you still have to ask them |
| 20:02.13 | rvsjoen | naturally, I just with _they_ would reply |
| 20:02.34 | rvsjoen | s/with/wish, oh well, patience is a virtue I hear |
| 20:03.06 | abrotman | rvsjoen: did you try #firefox on irc.mozilla.org ? |
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| 20:03.19 | rvsjoen | no I did not, thanks |
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| 20:05.28 | ircDon | Luser: still can find the reference ... |
| 20:05.37 | ircDon | Luser: still _can't_ |
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| 20:07.36 | ircDon | Luser: Perhaps I am wrong, I do find reference to mixed distributions at [http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.10]. |
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| 20:10.41 | Luser | ircDon, no rules apply to unstable :) |
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| 20:11.23 | ircDon | Luser: Ha, yeah I guess that is a good way to look at it. :) |
| 20:12.16 | Luser | ircDon, at worst you would be able to install a buggy package from unstable because it is not strict enough to require an unstable dependency AND this dependency is missing in unstable. |
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| 20:13.14 | ircDon | Luser: If my memory is correct I believe the issue was wasting bandwidth, server resources, rather than user functionality. |
| 20:13.38 | ircDon | Luser: In theory it would also be a source for confusion for developers testing packages. |
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| 20:14.07 | abrotman | Luser: problem is that you don't realize when there are issues |
| 20:14.08 | ircDon | Luser: For example the KDE problem I am finding now. |
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| 20:14.14 | ircDon | Luser: Right. |
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| 20:15.24 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
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| 20:15.29 | Luser | abrotman, if there are issues on a _properly updated_ unstable then apt-show-versions can help |
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| 20:16.24 | stealthii | hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knows the best way to install Debian to a USB HDD using a virtual machine, then removing the HDD from the caddy and putting it in a real machine? |
| 20:16.26 | Luser | ircDon, so it helped if you have testing ? |
| 20:16.59 | Luser | ircDon, ah you mean otherwise the bug wouldn't have been seen? |
| 20:17.04 | ircDon | Luser: Yes, adding testing is one way to bring in the dependency. It is installing KDE now. |
| 20:17.06 | Luser | right. took me some time :) |
| 20:17.50 | ircDon | Luser: Yes, installing KDE on Sid yesterday I didn't realize it was even buggy in the sense that there is a dependency which should not be there. |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | Luser: you'd never notice |
| 20:18.23 | Luser | ircDon, if its not a build-dependency then.. cause they won't be able to build the package anyway |
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| 20:18.56 | Luser | is too lazy to look at buildd of kde |
| 20:19.00 | ircDon | Luser: That I don't know. I am not familiar enough with the package building being used by the KDE maintainers. |
| 20:19.26 | ircDon | Luser: anyway, I am off to reboot into a bloated world of fluffy eye-candy. Whoo-ho. Thanks. |
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| 20:25.10 | cheako | I'm currently using the piix module, what would I use for AMD's AHCI southbridge? |
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| 20:27.12 | cheako | wait... I'm only using piix under QEMU. |
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| 20:28.04 | mischief | anyone know what 'tmpfs 186M 0 186M 0% /dev/shm' is? |
| 20:28.10 | mischief | it shows in mount |
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| 20:28.23 | cheako | yes. |
| 20:28.36 | cheako | it's good... unless it get's full. |
| 20:28.48 | sepult | that's for your network stuff |
| 20:28.57 | sepult | and such |
| 20:28.59 | mischief | my what? |
| 20:29.31 | cheako | It's also for QEMU's memory reagions. If you plan to use kqemu then making it larger would help. |
| 20:29.47 | sepult | shm == shared memory ?? |
| 20:30.01 | cheako | It's a shared memory area for applications, like /tmp. |
| 20:30.23 | sepult | so what's the difference from /tmp then ? |
| 20:30.40 | mischief | yes, im wondering what it's for and if i need it |
| 20:30.58 | cheako | I believe this area is reserved for applications that need to share memory with kernel space. |
| 20:31.06 | sepult | ok |
| 20:31.37 | sepult | so kernel->app is /dev/shm and app->userland is /tmp |
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| 20:31.59 | cheako | The big diffrence from /tmp is there is garented to be no backing storage beyond system swap. |
| 20:32.20 | sepult | what is backing storage ? |
| 20:32.22 | cheako | tmp could also be a tmpfs. |
| 20:32.32 | cheako | A file system. |
| 20:33.21 | cheako | Typically a hard disk. /dev/shm is not normally written to disk, this makes it faster for writing. |
| 20:33.48 | f00bar80 | I'm using debian lenny , tried to mount remote windows shared drive, using -t cifs and smbfs both are not working, at the time i have samba installed , for cisf i got "CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22" , any comment ? |
| 20:36.22 | Luser | f00bar80, install mount.cifs |
| 20:36.34 | Luser | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.46 | Luser | (i don't have it too) |
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| 20:36.57 | f00bar80 | Luser, whats mount.cifs |
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| 20:38.26 | Luser | f00bar80, i guess it's the cifs mount. If I try to mount something in cifs I have the same error as you. |
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| 20:38.51 | xyan | Luser: smbfs installed? |
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| 20:41.03 | f00bar80 | xyan, samba is installed |
| 20:41.34 | f00bar80 | xyan, isn't it enough ? |
| 20:41.34 | xyan | f00bar80: the package smbfs is needed to mount cifs filesystems, install it try again to mount |
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| 20:42.08 | xyan | f00bar80: samba is the server side part and its not the thing you want here |
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| 20:44.59 | Luser | f00bar80, and its actually called mount.smbfs not mount.cifs |
| 20:47.10 | jelly-hme | Luser: er, no, you're supposed to use cifs now (and mount.cifs) |
| 20:47.29 | jelly-hme | judd: file *bin/mount.cifs |
| 20:47.30 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: are you sure? i thought lenny was mount.smbfs |
| 20:47.33 | judd | *bin/mount.cifs in lenny/i386: smbfs: sbin/mount.cifs |
| 20:47.39 | Luser | jelly-hme, yes that's what I remember from a few months ago. but can't find it through apt-file search |
| 20:48.21 | Titan8990 | jelly-hme: ah it does have both. my fstab specifies smbfs for the samba share at my work |
| 20:48.26 | Luser | ah. apt-file update was missing |
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| 20:48.50 | f00bar80 | xyan, when i installed smbfs, and tried to mount, got prompted for password at the time the shared windows drive doesn't use a password, i did hit enter and nothing happened waiting and that's it |
| 20:50.11 | xyan | f00bar80: you dont have a password for your user on the machine? |
| 20:51.15 | f00bar80 | xyan, no |
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| 20:52.13 | guysoft42 | hi all, it seem that installing the package php-zeroc-ice breaks php! |
| 20:52.19 | guysoft42 | .. and apache |
| 20:52.40 | guysoft42 | abrotman, apparently that is what was causing the apache2 problem |
| 20:53.05 | f00bar80 | xyan, so what do you think ? |
| 20:53.08 | abrotman | guysoft42: in what? |
| 20:53.15 | abrotman | why did i get singled out? |
| 20:53.30 | xyan | f00bar80: try to mount -o password='' |
| 20:54.01 | guysoft42 | abrotman, because i was asking you before about the fuser... if it does not interest you, sorry i bothered |
| 20:54.08 | xyan | f00bar80: dont like insecure things, and never mounted shares from a windows server/ always use passwords. man mount.cifs see if it has further information |
| 20:54.09 | abrotman | guysoft42: ah okay .. |
| 20:54.17 | jelly-hme | judd: versions php-zeroc-ice |
| 20:54.18 | judd | php-zeroc-ice -- etch: 3.1.1-1; lenny: 3.2.1-2; squeeze: 3.3.1-10+b1; sid: 3.3.1-12 |
| 20:54.42 | abrotman | guysoft42: which version of debian ? |
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| 20:55.06 | f00bar80 | xyan, mount error 110 = Connection timed out |
| 20:55.10 | abrotman | guysoft42: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530562 |
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| 20:56.37 | xyan | f00bar80: whats your exact mount command? |
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| 20:58.09 | guysoft42 | abrotman, thanks just saw it, same cause too! ( installing mumble)... however the comment is right, the removed that package |
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| 20:59.00 | f00bar80 | xyan, mount -t cifs -o password='' //192.168.1.66/H /mnt/windows |
| 20:59.56 | xyan | f00bar80: is the cifs kernel module loaded? |
| 21:00.26 | f00bar80 | xyan, how to check this |
| 21:00.44 | xyan | lsmod? |
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| 21:01.14 | rvsjoen | is there a better way of setting compiz as default instead of running compiz --replace on login ? |
| 21:01.31 | f00bar80 | xyan, lsmod | grep cisf returns nothing |
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| 21:01.45 | abrotman | rvsjoen: in gnome/kde? by itself? |
| 21:01.47 | xyan | f00bar80: cifs not cisf |
| 21:01.51 | xyan | f00bar80: modprobe cifs then |
| 21:01.54 | rvsjoen | abrotman: im using xfce, with gdm |
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| 21:03.10 | f00bar80 | xyan, i think yea, cifs 236180 0 nls_base 6416 2 nls_utf8,cifs |
| 21:03.29 | xyan | can you ping the server? |
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| 21:03.52 | f00bar80 | xyan, yea |
| 21:04.06 | xyan | try mount -t cifs -o username=<windowsuser>,password=,domain=<windowsworkgroup> //192.168.1.66/H /mnt/windows |
| 21:04.16 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen: i don't use gdm but compiz --replace at login is how i do it |
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| 21:04.54 | rvsjoen | alright, i'll google it a bit and see what comes up, thanks |
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| 21:07.01 | f00bar80 | xyan, mount -t cifs -o username=prof,password=,domain=MSHOME //192.168.1.66/H /mnt/windows, always returns mount error 110 = Connection timed out |
| 21:07.38 | guysoft42 | hmm, seems like i had to do a symbolic link, there are path problems; ln -s /usr/share/Ice-3.3.1/slice /usr/share/slice |
| 21:07.38 | Titan8990 | f00bar80: can you access that share from any pc? can you ping it? |
| 21:07.50 | xyan | f00bar80: well yeah out of ideas, cant explain the connection timeout. the host is reachable, mount by ip should work |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | rvsjoen: did you try using .xinitrc or .xsession ? (can't remember which GDM honors) |
| 21:08.05 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, pinging yes, another windows machine can access it |
| 21:08.45 | Luser | f00bar80, maybe with the mount option "guest" ? http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs |
| 21:09.17 | f00bar80 | Luser, mount -t smbfs has the same issue |
| 21:10.13 | xyan | f00bar80: does the windows host have any firewall rules or something which might prevent you from mounting that share? |
| 21:11.17 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen: I know I used a GUI to do it but can't remember how exactly. It looks like the results of w/e the gui did was add a .desktop file to ~/.config/autostart/ |
| 21:12.15 | abrotman | it was like selectwm |
| 21:12.17 | abrotman | choosewm |
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| 21:13.27 | jekoee | Guys im testing my webcam, can you see me? http://tinyurl.com/game2go |
| 21:14.01 | abrotman | seriously? |
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| 21:14.19 | abrotman | worst spammer today ... |
| 21:14.24 | jekoee | ur mother is a spammer |
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| 21:14.25 | jekoee | im serious |
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| 21:15.41 | jelly-hme | checks http://preview.tinyurl.com/game2go instead |
| 21:16.08 | abrotman | that doesn't really help .. |
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| 21:16.45 | jelly-hme | abrotman: it does rob them of the click |
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| 21:16.56 | abrotman | used wget .. |
| 21:17.36 | jelly-hme | if it were a referral catching page, Y'dHBT |
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| 21:28.23 | dacs | Howdy all |
| 21:28.27 | dacs | Can someone please explain to me, what is system dictionary? and what is the use for it! thank you in advacne :) |
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| 21:29.04 | abrotman | in what context? |
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| 21:30.08 | dacs | abrotman: in general ? is it i use to get the meaning of words? |
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| 21:31.03 | Titan8990 | my system's aspell dictionary can be used for spellchecking |
| 21:31.15 | Titan8990 | in python, a dictionary is a datatype that stores key:value pairs |
| 21:31.50 | jonj1 | hello, my Lenny server stops during boot for 5mins when starting dbus - any ideas how to debug? |
| 21:31.56 | Titan8990 | AFAIK there is no general "system dictionary", otherwise you would be able to type that in wikipedia for a nice definition |
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| 21:32.35 | Titan8990 | jonj1: a) remove dbus from startup b) startup dbus manually after system boots c) view logs |
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| 21:33.19 | dacs | "it says that SAMBA author used grep to get the first letter of words that start with S , M , B from system dictionary |
| 21:33.30 | Titan8990 | jonj1: you will likely also want to disable your graphical display manage (if you have one) as i am somewhat certain X will fail to start without dbus |
| 21:33.42 | dacs | i am trying to test it , thats why i aksed |
| 21:33.47 | jonj1 | Titan8990: thanks - I checked the logs. 1st reference to dbus is when other services fail to start |
| 21:33.52 | azeem_ | dacs: why do you think this is on-topic? |
| 21:34.09 | Titan8990 | dacs: sounds like it means an english dictionary on the system to me... |
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| 21:34.42 | Titan8990 | although, i haven't a clue what words returned and what was done with them |
| 21:35.19 | abrotman | jonj1: is there a localhost in /etc/hosts ? |
| 21:35.19 | dacs | azeem_: dude i come to this channel long time before you were even born...i am just asking a question that was confusing me |
| 21:35.30 | azeem_ | dacs: ask it elsewhere |
| 21:35.37 | dacs | this is my 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:35.44 | dacs | no i am not |
| 21:35.48 | abrotman | dacs: i think you're wrong about your timeline ... |
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| 21:35.59 | azeem_ | dacs: are you a Debian Developer? What is your uid? |
| 21:36.17 | dacs | abrotman: i got be way off...far as i know he could be an old fart |
| 21:36.39 | abrotman | azeem: now, that's not fair .. i don't have a UID .. |
| 21:36.49 | azeem | you have a realname |
| 21:36.54 | dacs | azeem: i know nothing about linux |
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| 21:37.06 | jonj1 | abrotman: last time I checked localhost was in /etc/hosts. will check |
| 21:37.09 | azeem | dacs: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
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| 21:37.20 | abrotman | has a real name! and is a real boy! :) |
| 21:37.25 | azeem | dacs: please try to be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks! |
| 21:37.41 | abrotman | jonj1: which version of debian is this? |
| 21:37.42 | silidan | hi, i installed QT 4.6.2 into /opt which path do i have to set so that cmake recognises it? |
| 21:37.52 | abrotman | jonj1: and have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 21:37.54 | azeem | silidan: ask the Qt people |
| 21:37.56 | jonj1 | abrotman: lenny |
| 21:37.57 | silidan | or better whihc envionment variable? |
| 21:38.11 | abrotman | jonj1: is this a server or a workstation ? |
| 21:38.16 | silidan | azeem i fear this is not a qt problem... |
| 21:38.26 | azeem | then ask the cmake people |
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| 21:38.34 | silidan | o well... |
| 21:38.42 | xyan | silidan: QTDIR/QMAKESPEC, google helps |
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| 21:38.50 | jonj1 | abrotman: workstation (with server functions also - hooked into ldap, does file sharing) |
| 21:39.38 | jonj1 | abrotman:changes since previous (sucessful) reboot are installing kernel update + 15 misc updates from security |
| 21:40.23 | jonj1 | abrotman: the kernel is debian standard kenel |
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| 21:41.56 | abrotman | jonj1: and it keeps diong it? |
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| 21:43.16 | jonj1 | abrotman: yes, I've reverted back to an older kernel (linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64) and still hangs @ dbus |
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| 21:43.44 | jelly-hme | dacs: typically a unix-like system will have something like /usr/share/dict/words |
| 21:44.13 | AimHere | Often /usr/dict/words |
| 21:44.34 | Titan8990 | aha! it was an english dictionary hehe |
| 21:45.13 | silidan | ok what environment variable or setting is use to determine where to look for build dependencys? |
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| 21:49.10 | dacs | lol |
| 21:49.25 | jelly-hme | dacs: so this might have been a reference to a command like grep -i '^s.*m.*b' /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 21:49.50 | dacs | jelly-hme: yes , it is |
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| 21:50.48 | dacs | and thank you |
| 21:50.54 | jelly-hme | cheers |
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| 21:51.22 | dacs | ok folks am heading to bed, my shift start at 11pm :( |
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| 21:51.58 | pierre_le | does the freebsd kernel works with squeeze? |
| 21:52.21 | jonj1 | abrotman and others: thanks for input here - turns out removing 'ldap' from /etc/nsswitch.conf means dbus starts at boot now. |
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| 21:54.31 | babilen | pierre_le: yes (Debian/kFreeBSD) |
| 21:54.48 | abrotman | jonj1: did you need that though ? |
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| 21:55.33 | jonj1 | abrotman: yes, but I'll live without it for now |
| 21:56.23 | BoomSie | any DD expert in the room who could help me out? Was here previous friday for some advice to gain speed with the DD to put back a partition, however, I'm not able to calculate the exact offset it seems. (I can mount it without any problem ... followed a tutorial, monkey see = monkey do) |
| 21:56.24 | jhutchins_lt | !maint ltsp-server |
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| 21:57.18 | dpkg | ltsp-server: LTSP Debian/Ubuntu Maintainers <pkg-ltsp-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 21:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | BoomSie: What is "the DD"? |
| 21:57.35 | abrotman | 'the dd' |
| 21:57.35 | BoomSie | dd |
| 21:57.36 | BoomSie | :) |
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| 21:57.54 | BoomSie | NAME |
| 21:57.54 | BoomSie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, the dd command. |
| 21:58.21 | BoomSie | yes, sorry ... for me it's Holy, so I call it "THE" dd =) |
| 21:58.52 | jelly-hme | dd_rescue is holier! |
| 21:58.59 | BoomSie | though I used it a million times, I never had to use offset in a 'recover' action. I dd'd an entire disk, and now I try to put it back :) |
| 21:59.03 | jhutchins_lt | BoomSie: No options I know of affect speed. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to do. |
| 21:59.04 | BoomSie | dd_rescue? ... hmm |
| 21:59.57 | cheako | In most cases tools other then dd are bloated. |
| 21:59.57 | jhutchins_lt | BoomSie: So you're trying to figure out the offset to the first partition that allows the MBR to remain untouched, or to skip that section of the image file? |
| 22:00.01 | jelly-hme | BoomSie: you could, hm, make a loopback device of your whole-disk image, then use kpartx to slice that device into existing partitions |
| 22:00.14 | jelly-hme | judd: info kpartx |
| 22:00.15 | judd | kpartx (admin, extra): create device mappings for partitions. Version: 0.4.8-14+lenny2; Size: 24.7k; Installed: 136k |
| 22:00.19 | xyan | i guess the bs option is related to the speed, i tend to chose a 1/4 of the hard disks cache in the bs option to gain the most speed |
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| 22:01.07 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: it seems he wants to put one partition back to the disk, afaict |
| 22:01.10 | jhutchins_lt | xyan: Doesn't the block size have to match the device block size? |
| 22:01.13 | xyan | BoomSie: the offset is determined by the bs option as well i think. so bs of 512b would match a sector on a disc, so you can fsdisk -l the disk.img figure out the starting sector and use offset=starting_sector |
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| 22:01.28 | xyan | jhutchins_lt: no it just determines the amount of data read and write at once |
| 22:01.32 | BoomSie | no, the speed is something I'll let go now, I found out I can't even calculate the right offset. The speed is darn slow when using blocksize = 1 , so I scaled it up to gain speed in both reading & writing. However, somewhere along the way, they removed the iseek option which means that the offset I specify with skip is bounded to the blocksize specified (annoying) |
| 22:02.03 | jhutchins_lt | That seems logical to me. |
| 22:02.10 | cheako | BoomSie: The smallest read is 512b. |
| 22:02.26 | BoomSie | exactly xyan, but here's the problem ... I can't count it seems (or get messed up by the sector / way the harddisk was) |
| 22:02.27 | jhutchins_lt | So it would be helpful to know the blocksize of the original device? |
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| 22:02.50 | cheako | BoomSie: So reading 1byte 512 times causes 512 ^ 2 bytes transfered. |
| 22:02.53 | BoomSie | Units = sectors of 512 bytes, counting from 0 |
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| 22:03.07 | BoomSie | check |
| 22:03.18 | jelly-hme | BoomSie: that's why I suggest you use tools to get a partition-sized slices of the image. no need to calculate things |
| 22:03.35 | xyan | BoomSie: you can mount a partition from a image the mount -o offset thing and then rsync from the loop mounted image to the actual hardware, no need for dd and calculation |
| 22:03.50 | BoomSie | this is how I mount successful : mount -o loop,offset=37556628480 -r ./G-sda /mnt/GideonBackup/NTFS-WIN |
| 22:04.03 | BoomSie | but now I want to dd the partition to a physical partition (recover) |
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| 22:04.27 | jelly-hme | a file-based copy like xyan suggest could work too, and you get the data defregmented as a bonus |
| 22:04.34 | xyan | BoomSie: you can access the filesystem why dont you create a new partition and rsync as i said before? dd makes things complicated |
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| 22:04.41 | BoomSie | so 3755<etc> needs to be divided by 512 again (at least, that's what I thought, cause of the 512 byte blocksize) |
| 22:04.59 | BoomSie | hmm, will that leave my boot and everything intact? |
| 22:05.08 | jelly-hme | definitely not |
| 22:05.16 | BoomSie | was afraid of that |
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| 22:06.03 | jelly-hme | windows might even complain if you move the partition around (ie. not palce it in the exact same place on disk and in the p.table) |
| 22:06.08 | BoomSie | alternative ... dd the entire disk image back |
| 22:06.09 | BoomSie | :D |
| 22:06.18 | jelly-hme | that's the safest option |
| 22:06.38 | BoomSie | jelly-hme: don't worry about that, I already did it in the past without a problem. However, in the past I was smart enough to dd every partition independently |
| 22:06.59 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions ltsp-server |
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| 22:07.01 | BoomSie | don't even need fixboot for that, just vi boot.ini |
| 22:07.01 | judd | ltsp-server -- etch: 0.99debian11+etch1; etch-security: 0.99debian11+etch1; lenny: 5.1.10-2; lenny-backports: 5.1.98-1~bpo50+2; sid: 5.1.98-1; squeeze: 5.1.98-1; sid: 5.1.99-2; sid: 5.2-1 |
| 22:07.27 | jelly-hme | I'd use existing tools to get to each partition separately. |
| 22:07.46 | BoomSie | ... existing like dd-rescue? |
| 22:07.59 | jelly-hme | BoomSie: no, like kpartx. |
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| 22:09.04 | cheako | 37556628480 / ( 512 * 6 ) |
| 22:09.14 | BoomSie | times 7? |
| 22:09.17 | BoomSie | * 6 |
| 22:09.24 | cheako | That's what I've got. |
| 22:09.37 | cheako | use block sizes of ( 512 * 6 ) |
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| 22:10.12 | BoomSie | where did you get the 6 ? (really, I'm missing something) |
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| 22:10.36 | cheako | 73352790 * 512 |
| 22:10.56 | cheako | 36676395 * 2 * 512 |
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| 22:11.14 | cheako | 12225465 * 3 * 512 |
| 22:11.24 | maher | how do i talk imap? i'm looking for an example of a session logging on to an imap server |
| 22:11.24 | cheako | 2 * 3 == 6 |
| 22:11.40 | BoomSie | 3 * 5 == 15? |
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| 22:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | Why did we discard loop + rsync? |
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| 22:12.09 | jhutchins_lt | maher: telnet |
| 22:12.11 | cheako | It's that hole common denominator thing. |
| 22:12.22 | BoomSie | kpartx eats my image ... & comes back with reasonable output |
| 22:12.39 | cheako | maher: find and read the RFC. |
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| 22:13.33 | jhutchins_lt | maher: http://www.courier-mta.org/authlib/README.authdebug.html |
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| 22:14.02 | jhutchins_lt | cheako: Wow, why not just have him read the source code? |
| 22:14.04 | maher | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 22:14.36 | maher | jhutchins_lt: on a good day i can use google, but somehow failed today |
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| 22:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | has those days too, just can't seem to hit the right keyword. |
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| 22:15.38 | dbbolton | do i need to install any extra packages to be able to open .doc files with OO writer? |
| 22:15.39 | cheako | jhutchins_lt: One is written in English, the other is not. |
| 22:15.51 | maher | is microsoft imap different from every other imap? i get a login BAD Command Error. 12 |
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| 22:16.10 | jelly-hme | dbbolton: in general you don't |
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| 22:16.41 | jelly-hme | maher: have you asked it its CAPABILITIES? |
| 22:16.44 | dbbolton | OO writer crashes every time i try to open this .doc file |
| 22:16.50 | cheako | maher: Yes, there are diffrent auth methods. You would be looking for plain or login. |
| 22:17.35 | jhutchins_lt | maher: You need the whole string though - a login <username> <password> |
| 22:17.43 | maher | jelly-hme: umm... how do i do that |
| 22:18.11 | themill | dbbolton: what version of OOo are you using? |
| 22:18.21 | maher | jhutchins_lt: that just gives me no response |
| 22:18.27 | jelly-hme | maher: there's a capabilities command; not sure about the exact syntax |
| 22:19.01 | dbbolton | themill: 1:3.1.1-14 from squeeze |
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| 22:19.19 | jelly-hme | maher: I'd just use mutt with debug options and read the debug logs. Or use _any_ imap client and record a couple of sessions off the network |
| 22:19.24 | maher | do i need the a in front of each command |
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| 22:19.43 | jhutchins_lt | maher: Yes. |
| 22:19.48 | jelly-hme | maher: you need _something_ in front of each command, yes |
| 22:20.00 | jhutchins_lt | (I don't think it has to be an a.) |
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| 22:20.17 | jelly-hme | uses a00, a01, etc for some reason |
| 22:20.20 | jhutchins_lt | maher: Well, if it's hanging on auth, have a look at the logs. |
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| 22:20.42 | jhutchins_lt | 'bout time to go feed the horses. |
| 22:21.38 | jhutchins_lt | maher: Which imap server are you using? |
| 22:22.16 | jelly-hme | sexchange! |
| 22:22.28 | BoomSie | hubba hubba =) |
| 22:23.21 | maher | bah - its not my server - its my work email and i was hoping to get some useful info about why its not working |
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| 22:23.45 | jelly-hme | use the admins, Luke |
| 22:24.10 | jhutchins_lt | maher: What do you usually use for a client? |
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| 22:25.20 | maher | jhutchins_lt: alpine - i get stuff like 00000002 AUTHENTICATE PLAIN / 00000002 NO AUTHENTICATE failed. |
| 22:25.24 | BoomSie | thanks jelly-hme for pointing out kpartx ... gave me more correct information that the old 'partition table' I took from the fdisk -l & sfdisk -l -uS |
| 22:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | maher: It sounds like it might not be working properly if it hangs on login rather than returning an error. You can use kmail's setup/accounts/securty tab to "see what the server supports". |
| 22:25.50 | maher | jhutchins_lt: * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=NTLM AUTH=GSSAPI AUTH=PLAIN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ |
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| 22:26.22 | jhutchins_lt | auth plain should work then, could be your password is bad, but it shouldn't _hang_. |
| 22:26.42 | jelly-hme | maher: then the server either lies about auth=plain, or will only allow it under certain circumstances (say, on the imaps (ssl) port) |
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| 22:26.57 | jhutchins_lt | maher: but now you're saying you're getting responses, not a hang, so I dunno. Maybe they're using LDAP/AD and the auth server's down. |
| 22:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-hme: Good point about ssl. |
| 22:27.30 | jelly-hme | maher: can you log in with mutt? eg. mutt -f imap://username@hostname/ ? Or imaps://? |
| 22:28.13 | jhutchins_lt | Sheesh, I can't figure out mutt configuration, and I wrote my first sendmail cf from scratch. |
| 22:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | goes to chop up the apples and carrots and heads for the barn. |
| 22:28.37 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: steal someone's muttrc |
| 22:29.05 | maher | jelly-hme: i'm loggin in using ssl |
| 22:29.21 | jelly-hme | yeah, 's what I thought |
| 22:30.01 | jelly-hme | maher: force pine to use ssl, too |
| 22:30.26 | maher | ok - i guess i will just have to physically go to the it people and beg them to fix it tomorrow |
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| 22:32.52 | catfive1 | hi there, so i'm trying to set up chrooted ssh |
| 22:33.25 | catfive1 | seems to all look proper, but now i'm just getting permission denied when i try to sftp in |
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| 22:35.10 | gnusosa | Anybody tried s2disk in Debian Sid on an eeepc? After resuming, grep doesn't work and you ping anything you get segmentation fault. wtf. |
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| 22:36.07 | jelly-hme | grep doesn't work? |
| 22:36.07 | RLa | jut update php5-cli, it segfaults on php files |
| 22:36.32 | RLa | any way i could debug what exactly segfaults? |
| 22:36.37 | jelly-hme | gnusosa: have you checked dmesg for errors? Can you access anything not cached from the disk? |
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| 22:37.47 | jelly-hme | gnusosa: checked BTS for issues with your hardware (particular model -- there are lots of different eeepcs)? |
| 22:39.49 | abrotman | RLa: dpkg -l php5-cli .. what is the version ? |
| 22:40.15 | RLa | 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6 |
| 22:40.22 | abrotman | strace might help you |
| 22:40.34 | RLa | that looks like old version tho |
| 22:40.45 | lom | Is there a manual how to install Erlang on Lenny? |
| 22:40.56 | abrotman | judd: versions php5-cli |
| 22:40.58 | judd | php5-cli -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; squeeze: 5.2.12.dfsg.1-2; sid: 5.3.1-4 |
| 22:41.04 | abrotman | looks up to date to me |
| 22:41.19 | abrotman | lom: aptitude install erlang ? |
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| 22:41.45 | RLa | abrotman, can you help me to read its output |
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| 22:42.29 | abrotman | RLa: paste.debian.net |
| 22:42.46 | RLa | http://www.pastebin.com/m59883b3 |
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| 22:43.45 | lom | abrotman: Thanks, only tried erlang but not erl to start it. :) |
| 22:43.47 | RLa | abrotman, php -l filename is supposed to check for syntax errors |
| 22:44.07 | RLa | abrotman, it seems to run fine mostly, reaches "No syntax errors detected... |
| 22:44.24 | RLa | but i do not get what it's doing at the end there |
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| 22:45.31 | gnusosa | jelly-hme: Didn't do nothing just rebooted. An everything work fine again. I tried s2disk again, and then resuming. Same thing happened. |
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| 22:48.30 | abrotman | RLa: try the script on another machine if you can |
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| 22:49.07 | ponyofdeath | hey guys what is the diff between openconnect and vpnc? |
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| 22:49.25 | RLa | unfortunately i do not have more debian machines |
| 22:49.51 | RLa | but it works well on slackware 13 with php 5.2.12 |
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| 22:53.26 | abrotman | RLa: and it worked fine before the security update ? |
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| 22:54.09 | RLa | no |
| 22:54.29 | RLa | it segfaulted and i upgraded but it keeped segfaulting |
| 22:54.50 | RLa | maybe i should upgrade whole machine? |
| 22:55.16 | abrotman | or perhaps you have a hardware issue |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | !segv |
| 22:55.20 | dpkg | [sig11] Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ Also ask me about <memtest>. |
| 22:56.49 | RLa | hm, it's vps machine |
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| 23:10.31 | infid | i read that you can't make scripts SUID, yet i seem to be able to chmod u+s foo.py and run it fine. what am i missing? |
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| 23:10.59 | AimHere | I thought it was a bad idea to make scripts SUID |
| 23:11.15 | AimHere | I'm not sure it was ever impossible |
| 23:12.32 | RLa | hm, i solved my problem |
| 23:12.49 | RLa | restart after upgrade and no more php segfaulting |
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| 23:14.57 | oggei | infid: you can run it, but it will run at your user privilege |
| 23:14.59 | Tramp | infid: the suid bit on scripts is not honored |
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| 23:17.18 | et | does a big number of mounted filesystems (over nfs) hurt performance in some way? |
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| 23:23.11 | infid | tramp suid meaning root? |
| 23:23.27 | infid | i thought set user id just means to run the program as the owner of the program instead of the user running the program |
| 23:23.36 | Tramp | no. Meaning the id of the owner of the file |
| 23:23.55 | Tramp | infid: yes. Where did I say root? |
| 23:24.00 | infid | so a script that's +s is the same as being -s? |
| 23:24.24 | infid | you didnt, i'm just really confused |
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| 23:26.22 | NiveusLuna | I'm sorry, I know I've asked this before, but I don't remember the answer. What's debian's equivalent of red hat's "createrepo" package? |
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| 23:29.21 | dondelelcaro | NiveusLuna: apt-ftparchive or similar |
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| 23:36.43 | NiveusLuna | hm. not nearly as simple as createrepo, is it? I'll try to figure this out on my own. Thank you. |
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| 23:55.36 | jhutchins_lt | The order of directives within a section of smb.conf doesn't matter, does it? |
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