| 00:00.01 | Computer | it has been 15 minutes since creating ext3 file system for /home (a 900GB partition) |
| 00:00.13 | Computer | i tried this twice. how can i figure out what is hanging? |
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| 00:01.08 | Amarande | Computer: I think it just takes that long to create a 900GB filesystem |
| 00:01.13 | beeman_nl | themill: what should i use then? |
| 00:01.20 | Amarande | it would take forever to format that much in one go on Windows too |
| 00:01.22 | beeman_nl | where did you find it :) |
| 00:01.43 | Computer | nah ive done this before using mke2fs it didn't take that long |
| 00:01.58 | Computer | oh there it goes |
| 00:02.01 | Computer | IM WRONG |
| 00:02.25 | zu22 | Computer: wow that's a big $HOME |
| 00:02.48 | Computer | nah't aint |
| 00:02.52 | zu22 | ya it is |
| 00:02.54 | zu22 | mine is 30gb |
| 00:02.55 | Computer | nah |
| 00:02.55 | zu22 | lol |
| 00:03.00 | zu22 | you must be a torrent person |
| 00:03.05 | zu22 | ya |
| 00:03.09 | Computer | where did the rest of your 1TB-30GB go? |
| 00:03.22 | zu22 | never used it |
| 00:03.28 | Computer | its unpartitioned space? |
| 00:03.31 | zu22 | will install some other OSes on it |
| 00:03.32 | zu22 | yeah |
| 00:03.56 | themill | beeman_nl: you tell it to install the null task. from memory, tasksel tasksel/first "" |
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| 00:04.35 | beeman_nl | themill: i never heard of that option :) let me try |
| 00:04.57 | Computer | zu22: its probably going to become full of raw 16bit wav recordings xD |
| 00:05.26 | Computer | or not :| |
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| 00:06.00 | zu22 | Computer: lol |
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| 00:07.55 | beeman_nl | adb: thanks for pointing out debirf :) will need some investigation but it looks good :) |
| 00:08.30 | adb | beeman_nl, try #debirf on oftc |
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| 00:09.03 | beeman_nl | adb: cool, will go there if i need help :) |
| 00:09.12 | beeman_nl | i will first have to get this going :) |
| 00:09.38 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.37 | zu22 | debirf that sounds like ebonics lol |
| 00:11.05 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: very cool - they do a kiosk version - just what I need :D |
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| 00:12.23 | Computer | participate in the anonymouse package survey? |
| 00:12.28 | Computer | yes please i want my entries to count twice |
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| 00:26.50 | beeman_nl | themill: tasksel tasksel/first "" gives me a whole desktop ;) |
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| 00:34.12 | nm9 | Hi, at this time I have deleted one file in command line by accident... now how can I recover it? (ext3) |
| 00:35.13 | zinx | nm9: what type of file was it? |
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| 00:36.04 | nm9 | zinx, it's mpg |
| 00:36.36 | zinx | nm9: try scalpel or magicrescue |
| 00:38.29 | zinx | oh, and in case you haven't already, you should stop using the drive (i.e., unmount it, or shutdown and use a livecd or similar if it's your root) |
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| 00:39.49 | shakaponk | hey guyz, does anyone have time for me? |
| 00:40.13 | shakaponk | i'm not so experienced with server configuration |
| 00:40.22 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:41.03 | f00li5h[HireMe] | shakaponk: people are more likely to answer if you ask an actaul question |
| 00:41.33 | shakaponk | my problem is my site functioned... and then my provider changed their provider... problems occur, my domain was in transit state and now it shoud be ok. and if i call my site i got just an "it works" |
| 00:41.38 | shakaponk | whats wrong? |
| 00:41.45 | shakaponk | some dns entries? |
| 00:41.49 | chaochao | APACHE? |
| 00:41.51 | chaochao | ops |
| 00:41.53 | shakaponk | yeah |
| 00:41.57 | chaochao | vhost stuff? |
| 00:42.00 | shakaponk | yeah |
| 00:42.04 | f00li5h[HireMe] | "it works is the apache default page ... you need to check your vhost config, ask #httpd |
| 00:42.05 | chaochao | check ur settings |
| 00:42.10 | shakaponk | yes i know |
| 00:42.15 | shakaponk | but no config changed |
| 00:42.20 | shakaponk | and it worked before |
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| 00:42.25 | f00li5h[HireMe] | shakaponk: something has changed. |
| 00:42.32 | shakaponk | yeah, but what... |
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| 00:42.43 | shakaponk | maybe you pro's know |
| 00:43.04 | f00li5h[HireMe] | shakaponk: well, check that your domain is pointing where you expect (host example.com) |
| 00:43.19 | f00li5h[HireMe] | then check that the server it's pointing at knows what to do with it $httpd -S ) |
| 00:43.55 | f00li5h[HireMe] | then look *snigger* in the version history of your *snigger* apache configs... whcih you've been keeping versioned with svn or git |
| 00:43.57 | shakaponk | f00li5h[HireMe]: dont forget i'm not a pro |
| 00:44.07 | f00li5h[HireMe] | THE COMMANDS ARE RIGHT THERE IN THE INSTRUCTIONS |
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| 00:44.42 | f00li5h[HireMe] | the apache config is best asked about on #httpd |
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| 00:47.25 | jhutchins_lt | shakaponk: While some of us are IT professionals, we're mostly just fellow Debian users. |
| 00:47.36 | shakaponk | f00li5h[HireMe]: ok, i'll try it there |
| 00:47.54 | shakaponk | jhutchins_lt: ok but i'm sure you're all better than me |
| 00:47.56 | shakaponk | ;-) |
| 00:48.49 | jhutchins_lt | shakaponk: Sounds like you're hitting the default document root instead of the Virtual Host. Are you using Named Virtual Hosts or multiple IP's? |
| 00:48.56 | nevyn | f00li5h[HireMe]: or you could just install etckeeper which will by default setup git on /etc and integrates with dpkg runs etc |
| 00:50.01 | shakaponk | jhutchins_lt: just one ip and yes to named virtualhosts |
| 00:50.02 | OldParr | how do i start selinux? |
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| 00:52.02 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.02 | nevyn | OldParr: at the boot prompt type "linux" but the installer should set it up so it happens automatically |
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| 00:52.50 | nevyn | OldParr: which selinux administrator? |
| 00:53.09 | OldParr | a window to configure selinux |
| 00:53.33 | OldParr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux |
| 00:55.17 | nevyn | ok so there are some gui tools for selinux that redhat wrote but I don't know if they're in debian (I'd start by installing selinux-utils and setools and working from there) |
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| 00:57.38 | lucascarvalho | when we create a .deb package should we remove .pyc files before building it? |
| 00:59.40 | JyZyXEL | how do i adjust contrast and brightness from commandline? |
| 00:59.57 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: depends on what you're adjusting it on |
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| 01:00.52 | dark | can I install debian in a directory of my partition? if yes, what should I insert in grub? a root= line? I am seeing I can do root=/dev/nfs, but, can I do root=/subdir? |
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| 01:01.32 | JyZyXEL | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? |
| 01:01.44 | JyZyXEL | oh i mean on X |
| 01:01.50 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: what type of display? |
| 01:02.20 | shakaponk | problem "solved" |
| 01:02.28 | JyZyXEL | type of display? |
| 01:02.36 | dondelelcaro | dark: not really |
| 01:02.42 | shakaponk | stupid idiots! i mean my provider guyz! |
| 01:02.57 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: is this a laptop, a desktop, a crt, an lcd... etc. |
| 01:03.22 | JyZyXEL | lcd on a desktop with DVI interface |
| 01:03.44 | nevyn | JyZyXEL: DVI doesn't provide software contrast/brightness control |
| 01:04.03 | nevyn | youcan gamma adjust tho. |
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| 01:04.30 | JyZyXEL | yes it does |
| 01:04.31 | dark | dondelelcaro, is there a way? I suppose one could do this at very least by making a custom initrd |
| 01:05.41 | nm9 | zinx, tnx I'm using photorec ... |
| 01:06.15 | dondelelcaro | dark: yes, there is a way, but it's not something that you really want to do |
| 01:06.51 | dondelelcaro | dark: and yes, it involves a custom initrd which does a pivot_root at the appropriate moment in ttime |
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| 01:07.35 | dondelelcaro | well, actually, it's possible that one of Debian's initrds obeys command line options to do this, but I've personally just written my own when I've needed to do similar things |
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| 01:09.03 | dark | dondelelcaro, I was thinking on this: in order to install debian while running an existing operating in the same partition to be installed, debootstrap in a subdir, complete the installation, reboot, and inside it delete the other partitions |
| 01:09.09 | dark | the other files* |
| 01:09.11 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: for certain monitors, ddccontrol may work. No guarantees, though |
| 01:09.13 | dark | of the previous os |
| 01:10.00 | dark | another way would be to have a ramdisk with the tools you will use |
| 01:10.03 | dondelelcaro | dark: if you're doing that, it's often easier to just use the install media |
| 01:10.26 | dondelelcaro | dark: assuming you have a big enough partition that you can delete to install to, you can modify a grub line to boot the install media |
| 01:10.44 | dark | dondelelcaro, what if one doesn't have an install media? |
| 01:10.54 | dondelelcaro | dark: you can always download the install media |
| 01:11.01 | dark | any livecd would suffice |
| 01:11.08 | dondelelcaro | dark: nah, you don't even need a livecd |
| 01:11.08 | dark | hmmm |
| 01:11.11 | dark | ahh |
| 01:11.42 | dondelelcaro | dark: you just modify grub to boot the installer's kernel and initrd, and make sure it can find the netinst cd image, and away you go |
| 01:11.43 | dark | then, how can one boot an .iso inside other partition? |
| 01:11.53 | dondelelcaro | dark: this is all covered in the install guide |
| 01:12.00 | dark | hmmm nice |
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| 01:17.15 | dkr | my fonts look really crappy in iceweasel after lenny->squeeze (heh, I first typo'd that as "letch") any idea what I need to tweak? |
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| 01:17.57 | dkr | they look fine in icedove and xchat and my xterms |
| 01:18.16 | dark | what is your desktop environment? |
| 01:18.29 | dkr | gnome |
| 01:18.47 | dark | lcd? crt? |
| 01:18.56 | dark | what do you mean by crappy? can you take a screenshot? |
| 01:19.09 | dark | there is a pastebin for images |
| 01:19.28 | dark | well there are the chans too lol |
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| 01:19.40 | dkr | lcd, and i actually just ran through the nifty lcd "calibration" at http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ |
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| 01:20.16 | dark | i am having many issues with vga lcd focus/phase |
| 01:20.22 | dark | exactly this :~ |
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| 01:21.32 | dark | it happened after updating xfce |
| 01:21.40 | lucascarvalho | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.48 | dark | i asked in #xfce , they said they didn't knew and nobody else noticed |
| 01:21.53 | dkr | lucascarvalho: cp -a src dst |
| 01:22.04 | dark | yes, i would say that, but you need just the folders? |
| 01:22.12 | dkr | lucascarvalho: oh, you mean only the dir hierarchy and not any files within it? |
| 01:22.46 | dark | dkr, your problems are with focus/phase focus/clock? (it's clock on my philips lcd) |
| 01:23.04 | lucascarvalho | dkr: yes, only the folders not files! |
| 01:23.07 | dark | dkr, you could switch the subpixel hinting, if that's your problem |
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| 01:23.18 | lucascarvalho | cp -a does not solve this problem |
| 01:23.25 | dark | lucascarvalho, there are folders with spaces in names? or other funny characters |
| 01:23.31 | dkr | dark: I doubt it. since fonts lok fine in other apps. hrm, actually they even look ok on some pages, just not /. I'll have to test more and try some different fonts |
| 01:23.43 | lucascarvalho | dark no. |
| 01:23.54 | dark | you could use find |
| 01:23.58 | dark | lucascarvalho, ask in #bash |
| 01:24.05 | dark | they probably can help better |
| 01:24.06 | lucascarvalho | you can get all folders like find folder_path -type d |
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| 01:24.37 | lucascarvalho | dark: going there! |
| 01:24.40 | dark | yes :) find folder_path -type d -exec command '{}' ';' will exec the command for each folder |
| 01:24.49 | dark | with a clever command you can do it |
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| 01:25.35 | dkr | find dir -type d -exec cp {} /destdir/`dirname {}` + |
| 01:25.43 | dkr | maybe? hah |
| 01:26.00 | lucascarvalho | let me check |
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| 01:27.39 | lucascarvalho | dkr nops |
| 01:28.13 | dkr | yeah, i didn't know if you could pass {} to a subshell call like that inside `` |
| 01:28.21 | dkr | you could do it ina little loop though |
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| 01:28.58 | dark | `dirname {}` does not work |
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| 01:29.46 | lucascarvalho | i got it |
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| 01:29.59 | lucascarvalho | cd source_dir; find . -type d | cpio -dumpl destination_dir |
| 01:30.03 | lucascarvalho | it works! |
| 01:30.18 | dark | :) it will fail in borderline cases though |
| 01:30.44 | dark | people in #bash would crucifix you |
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| 01:31.00 | dark | (dirs with \n in the name, and maybe other things o.o) |
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| 01:32.10 | dkr | cp -a src dst; rm dst/*/*/*/*;rm dst/*/*/*;rm dst/*/*;rm dst/* |
| 01:32.19 | nm9 | HI, what package I should install for framebuffer (to see videos on console) |
| 01:32.19 | dkr | cackles maniacally |
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| 01:33.38 | lucascarvalho | someone from bash said: <mattcen> lucascarvalho: This might work: cd /source/; find . -type d -exec mkdir /destination/{} \ |
| 01:33.43 | lucascarvalho | i didnt test! |
| 01:33.49 | lucascarvalho | feel free to try |
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| 01:34.37 | dkr | lucascarvalho: mkdir -p :) in case it returns nested dirs before higher level dirs. clever idea, though |
| 01:34.38 | dmilog | hi |
| 01:35.02 | dkr | nm9: xserver-xfbdev ? |
| 01:35.05 | dmilog | anybody knows some rsync equivalent but with ftp support which is faster than ftpsync.pl ? |
| 01:35.50 | dkr | rsync --rsh=ftp ? |
| 01:36.25 | dmilog | it will work? |
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| 01:36.44 | dkr | no |
| 01:36.52 | dolomieu | hi! |
| 01:37.16 | nm9 | dkr, It's install and still can't see videos on console (framebuffer) |
| 01:39.04 | cbx | Hey, I've been able to boot into the debian installer, but I want to install from this ISO / ISO extract available on the local network server. can I do that? |
| 01:39.16 | dkr | dmilog: rsync has to run on the remote end. asking for rsync to use ftp is like asking for a dns client to use http |
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| 01:43.18 | dkr | cbx: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software |
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| 01:44.18 | cbx | dkr, I have the netinstaller, and also a debian lenny cd iso |
| 01:44.31 | cbx | so does the netinstaller install base packages without the internet? |
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| 01:46.05 | dkr | you can add the network location to /etc/apt/sources.list ah, you just have an .iso. well you could loopback mount it on the file server and share that... |
| 01:46.06 | dondelelcaro | cbx: it installs some things without the internet, yes |
| 01:46.43 | cbx | dkr, dondelelcaro I can extract the iso and mount it on a http server |
| 01:46.53 | cbx | will that work as a mirror / source for apt? |
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| 01:47.38 | dkr | yes, that's what I meant. |
| 01:47.40 | dondelelcaro | dkr: not quite; is there are reason why you can't just boot off the iso? [I haven't read the entire scrollback] |
| 01:47.58 | dkr | or burn it to a disk and boot from it instead of the netinst. yeah. heh |
| 01:48.00 | cbx | dondelelcaro, I can boot off the iso, but the pc has only a cd rom drive |
| 01:48.10 | dondelelcaro | cbx: ah, so you have a cdrom and a dvd? |
| 01:48.12 | cbx | so I'm thinking of alternatives |
| 01:48.36 | dondelelcaro | cbx: it is possible to turn the cd into a debian archive, but it's not something you can just mount it and serve it |
| 01:48.57 | dondelelcaro | well, actually, I could be wrong; been a while since I've looked carefully at it |
| 01:49.01 | cbx | dondelelcaro, I have a a Debian DVD with me + a working server. My base computer has a cd rom drive and ethernet + slow internet |
| 01:49.19 | dondelelcaro | cbx: is your working server a Debian machine? |
| 01:49.30 | cbx | dondelelcaro, I'll make it so |
| 01:49.38 | cbx | but mind you, a slow internet connection |
| 01:49.42 | dondelelcaro | cbx: ok; then yeah, you can definetly do it |
| 01:49.46 | cbx | I was able to boot the netinstall using pxe too yesterday, but netinstall tried to download files off the internet |
| 01:50.10 | cbx | if I could just make it use the Dvd / iso / files on the server instead, I'd be gold |
| 01:50.27 | cbx | dkr, so you say I should extract the iso and try to use it as a source / mirror? |
| 01:50.30 | dondelelcaro | cbx: mount the cd, use apt-ftparchive to turn the debs on the cd into a debian mirror, modify the sources.list to install the packages using that mirror instead of one that it can select |
| 01:50.53 | dondelelcaro | cbx: you may have to use expert mode in combination with the command line to do the latter, but that's a start |
| 01:50.58 | cbx | hmm, apt-ftparchive eh? |
| 01:51.09 | cbx | is it available on ubuntu too? |
| 01:51.12 | dondelelcaro | cbx: yes |
| 01:53.04 | Caelum | I updated my iceweasel in sid, now whenever I close a tab it crashes |
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| 01:54.28 | dkr | "there's an add-on for that!" |
| 01:55.08 | cbx | lol |
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| 01:55.53 | cbx | dkr, dondelelcaro I'm gonna try the pxeboot method here. http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_pxe_install_server_p2 |
| 01:56.00 | cbx | hopefully I'll do some magic and make it work |
| 01:56.57 | Caelum | dkr: I have the CrashAllTheTime addon disabled! |
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| 01:58.00 | phogg | Caelum: funny, I just call it Flash |
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| 02:00.58 | bluehaze | i have this command: find /home/user -type f -name '.mp3' -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 -I X mv "X" /full/path/to/user.bac/ what do i need to add so it shows me what it is moving.. --verbose command |
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| 02:05.11 | Tramp | bluehaze: use find -exec ..., not find |xargs. And you probably want -name '*.mp3' |
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| 02:06.22 | Tramp | bluehaze: and considering the "verbose" question, check man mv |
| 02:06.38 | SpookyET | Hi |
| 02:06.46 | bluehaze | tramp thank. |
| 02:06.59 | Tramp | yw |
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| 02:08.04 | SpookyET | I'd like to ssh into a remote host, then from that host ssh into another. Part one works fine. Part two asks for password all the time. I can do ssh-agent $SHELL, but if I log out, the ssh-agent is killed. I need some code to be able to ssh into another machine. |
| 02:08.08 | bluehaze | tram funny you say that about -exec vs. xargs.. i had uses -exec and one of people here said that was not the way to go about it |
| 02:08.24 | SpookyET | Is there a way to make ssh-agent stay alive? |
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| 02:10.14 | zxcvbs | hi i have remote gui access to a server, how can i redirect a tty input/outpot textmode to an xwindows term? |
| 02:10.37 | zxcvbs | without stopping the script |
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| 02:12.41 | dondelelcaro | zxcvbs: you can't do that trivially |
| 02:13.27 | Tramp | SpookyET: forward the agent with -A? I'm not quite sure, what you actually want |
| 02:14.40 | SpookyET | Tramp: I want for remote machine B to connect to remote machine C without requiring a password and survive logouts and reboots. |
| 02:15.05 | zxcvbs | i didnt used nohup |
| 02:15.07 | Tramp | SpookyET: "survivie logouts and reboots" does not make sense to me |
| 02:15.41 | SpookyET | ssh-agent typically dies when you lougout. when you log back in, you have to input your password again to connect from B to C |
| 02:15.46 | Tramp | for the other part, forward the agent, if your credentials on C are stored on A (and you have an agent running on A which you use to connect to B) |
| 02:17.03 | Tramp | SpookyET: well, if you start an agent in the background, it will not die. However, you have to remember the socket when you connect next time and set the variables manually. |
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| 02:18.44 | cbx | Is the ramdisk_size=10240 during boot in bytes? |
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| 02:32.45 | Dinosaur | I have created the orig.tar.gz as per documentation, but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is still treating it as a Debian-native package |
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| 02:32.53 | Dinosaur | distro is squeeze, current as of right now. |
| 02:33.00 | Dinosaur | anyone else seeing this sort of behavior? |
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| 02:38.38 | ax | hi, my friend screwed up our apt stuff and now apache isn't running becase of unmet deps "apache2-mpm-worker"... |
| 02:39.49 | ax | it has been a while since i've dealt with broken depdencies and i'm wondering if someone has some advice |
| 02:40.04 | ax | i have some time sensitive material up on the sever and really need to get apache back up |
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| 02:56.10 | unomi | what happens when you install apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 02:56.15 | unomi | ax: |
| 02:56.37 | ax | unomi: apache2-mpm-worker: Depends: libpcre3 (>= 7.4) but 6.7+7.4-4 is to be installed |
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| 02:57.23 | unomi | I think someone more experienced with these matters than me should weigh in |
| 02:57.56 | unomi | but perhaps you could look at which versions it is trying to install |
| 02:58.34 | adb | judd, versions apache2-mpm-worker |
| 02:58.35 | judd | apache2-mpm-worker -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; squeeze: 2.2.14-5; sid: 2.2.14-7 |
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| 02:59.40 | unomi | try apt-get --fix-broken |
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| 03:00.18 | ax | unomi: it just prints out the usage for apt |
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| 03:01.52 | unomi | apt-get --fix-broken install |
| 03:02.11 | ax | unomi: doesn't do anything |
| 03:02.31 | adb | ax, apt-get install -f |
| 03:02.34 | tenzin | hi, I am using debian lenny. I have a usb drive with vfat file system. Lenny automounts the usb drive and I can create files and folders on it. But all my files appear as belonging to group root. When I try to chgrp the files, I get Operation not permitted (1) error. I get this error even when I run chgrp with as root . What could be the problem? |
| 03:02.59 | ax | abd: it doesn't do anything either |
| 03:03.30 | adb | ax, your apt-get system is broken |
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| 03:03.54 | unomi | go hit your friend, real hard. |
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| 03:05.24 | unomi | judd, versions libpcre3 |
| 03:05.26 | judd | libpcre3 -- etch: 6.7+7.4-4; etch-security: 6.7+7.4-4; lenny: 7.6-2.1; sid: 7.8-3; squeeze: 7.8-3 |
| 03:05.46 | unomi | are you on an etch system? |
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| 03:06.32 | ax | adb: yeah, i'm trying to figre ot how to fix it :) |
| 03:07.48 | Amarande | tenzin: vfat doesn't support unix owners/groups |
| 03:07.56 | Amarande | the operation is not permitted because it is not valid for that fs type |
| 03:08.04 | ax | unomi: now do i found out which version i'm using? |
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| 03:09.11 | Tramp | ax: I think you have mixed releases (sid/squeeze or even sid/lenny). This usually cannot be fixed |
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| 03:10.29 | unomi | ax: lsb_release -a |
| 03:11.03 | ax | unomi: no lsb_release |
| 03:11.07 | ax | Tramp: hmm... ugh |
| 03:11.14 | ax | this is on a remote server |
| 03:11.36 | unomi | cat /etc/issue |
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| 03:12.06 | Amarande | Tramp: isn't the 'fix' to go whole hog sid? |
| 03:12.09 | Tramp | the usual advice is either (1) reinstall (2) move to the highest release (in your case apparently sid), which is aka. "unstable" for a reason |
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| 03:12.24 | cbx | Hey all, I'm in the debian installer, and its looking for the CD to mount at /mnt/cdrom. However the cd is located on http://192.168.1.3/deb . Can I mount that in any way? |
| 03:12.37 | meowagi | i made aprox 200 symlinks to a drive |
| 03:13.12 | meowagi | now i have to format and resize this drive, but how can i copy those files without losing my symlinks? |
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| 03:13.54 | ax | unomi: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
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| 03:14.07 | meowagi | i copy all the files back |
| 03:14.17 | ax | Tramp: so, do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:14.42 | meowagi | where are the symlinks stored in? |
| 03:14.51 | Elshar | darkfaery is spamming people on join here |
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| 03:15.30 | Tramp | ax: if you really have mixed packages from etch and sid, this will most probably not work at all. |
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| 03:15.44 | ax | Tramp: okay... |
| 03:15.54 | ax | so, I have another VM with debian on it |
| 03:15.54 | unomi | couldn't it be etch and lenny? |
| 03:15.59 | tonsofpcs | darkfaery is onjoin PM spamming |
| 03:16.12 | Amarande | !ops multiple reports of onjoin spam from darkfaery |
| 03:16.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: amarande complains about: multiple reports of onjoin spam from darkfaery |
| 03:16.14 | cbx | complain in #freenode |
| 03:16.21 | ax | unomi: debian 5.0 |
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| 03:16.48 | ax | i'm trying to start apache up.. but i'm getting this error: /etc/init.d/apache2: line 44: /etc/apache2/envvars: No such file or directory |
| 03:16.51 | tonsofpcs | cbx: hmm? this is #debian he's in here and pm spamming people who join here. removing him from here solves that problem. |
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| 03:17.17 | Tramp | unomi: the apache2-mpm-worker he tries to install is from sid, so it must be needed by some other package from sid which is already on the system |
| 03:17.18 | cbx | tonsofpcs, if there's no ops around the ones at #freenode can kick him |
| 03:17.21 | remote | ax, it means the file /etc/apache2/envvars doesn't exist |
| 03:17.46 | ax | remote: yeah, i understand that, but, shouldn't apt-get install apache2 set up basically everything that needs to run apache? |
| 03:17.59 | cbx | umm, so anyone help me with mounting a ftp / http during install? |
| 03:18.04 | cbx | I'm in the debian installer, and its looking for the CD to mount at /mnt/cdrom. However the cd is located on http://192.168.1.3/deb . Can I mount that in any way? |
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| 03:18.50 | remote | ax, apache2.2-common: /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 03:19.01 | remote | this is installed by apache2.2-common in debian stable |
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| 03:19.21 | Tramp | a2: darkfaery spams onjoin |
| 03:19.32 | Tramp | hmm, last time this did the trick ...... |
| 03:19.53 | ax | remote: just did a reinstall of apache2.2-common and there is no /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 03:20.33 | remote | well |
| 03:20.44 | remote | what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:21.10 | ax | 5.0 |
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| 03:21.40 | remote | what architecture? |
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| 03:22.00 | ax | remote: we're running in a VM on an x86 box |
| 03:22.01 | nvz | I swear.. I could grow a beard in the time it takes for the installer to probe for cdrom drives and/or network interfaces anymore |
| 03:22.16 | remote | ax, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/apache2.2-common/filelist |
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| 03:22.33 | tonsofpcs | hi LoRez :) |
| 03:22.37 | remote | hi LoRez :) |
| 03:22.41 | LoRez | hola |
| 03:22.46 | Amarande | I keep wondering, whatever happened to /kick? |
| 03:22.46 | ax | remote: shouldn't apt-get install apache2.2-common --reinstall add those files? |
| 03:22.48 | tonsofpcs | que pasa hombre? |
| 03:22.55 | Amarande | or does /kick cause that on freenode ircd? |
| 03:22.56 | remote | i'm not sure |
| 03:23.14 | LoRez | that was a /remove |
| 03:23.21 | nvz | the way he alt caps his nick, kinda makes you wonder if there is a higher rez version somewhere |
| 03:23.27 | nvz | haha |
| 03:23.27 | remote | should `apt-get install apache2.2-common --reinstall' reinstall missing files? |
| 03:23.32 | LoRez | nvz: you should read more. |
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| 03:23.43 | nvz | LoRez: apparently.. |
| 03:24.14 | ax | remote: i just uninstalled common and then installed again and i still have no envvars |
| 03:24.52 | remote | ax, yeah i removed the envvars file and apt-get install --reinstall didn't reinstall it |
| 03:25.23 | nvz | LoRez: I could probaly get a lot of reading done in the time its going to take for D-I to get passed this f'n detect network hardware screen.. |
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| 03:25.44 | ax | i just got this : It looks like you've deleted /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.load, so mod_cgid cannot be enabled. To fix this, please purge and reinstall apache2.2-common. |
| 03:25.46 | nvz | LoRez: I grew a beard waiting for it to detect the cdrom it booted from.. |
| 03:25.47 | LoRez | good luck with that. |
| 03:25.54 | LoRez | get a faster machine |
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| 03:26.03 | Amarande | nvz: good grief, you using a 386SX or something? |
| 03:26.05 | cbx | So..... I'm in the debian installer, and its looking for the CD to mount at /mnt/cdrom. However the cd is located on http://192.168.1.3/deb . Can I mount that in any way? |
| 03:26.07 | remote | ax, i had to remove and use dpkg --purge then install the package to get the file |
| 03:26.08 | nvz | its a 64bit 2ghz |
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| 03:26.20 | remote | but you can just get the file by extracting apache2.2-common |
| 03:26.34 | ax | remote: so, remove apache2.2-common and then dpkg --purge ? |
| 03:26.40 | nvz | for whatever reason the installer amd64 or i386 has been lagging on hardware probes for me ever since they developed the graphical installer |
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| 03:26.52 | yakamo | hi, i have just removed a few packages, and when i output dpkg -l > filename.txt it still lists packages i have removed, is there something i should do to clean up the list? |
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| 03:27.01 | Amarande | you use the graphical installer? |
| 03:27.02 | remote | ax, but you'll lose your config |
| 03:27.09 | Amarande | I have used the text one always |
| 03:27.14 | remote | just get the file and don't remove files in the future :) |
| 03:27.34 | ax | remote: there is no config on this box |
| 03:27.41 | ax | i didn't remove any files actually! |
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| 03:27.46 | nvz | Amarande: I don't think it makes a difference.. but yah.. now I'm deteting disks.. I will likely have grandchildren before this is finished and I dont even have kids yet |
| 03:28.15 | NTU | GRUB won't install along with windows 7 |
| 03:28.15 | remote | ax, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/182337/ |
| 03:28.19 | nvz | takes me longer just to get to the partitioner (through all three hw detection routines) than it previously did to bootstrap |
| 03:28.29 | remote | then you can purge it |
| 03:28.29 | NTU | using 5.0.4 lenny business card |
| 03:28.32 | remote | and re-install |
| 03:28.43 | nvz | NTU: sounds like an easy fix to me, lose windows 7 |
| 03:28.57 | NTU | how can I play windows games at fast FPS then? |
| 03:29.01 | NTU | :P |
| 03:29.14 | ax | remote: okay, so i do a dpkg --purge apache* ? |
| 03:29.21 | Amarande | XP? |
| 03:29.32 | nvz | NTU: *shurgs* try grub2 / grub-pc maybe |
| 03:29.37 | NTU | i did |
| 03:29.39 | remote | ax, just apache2.2-common |
| 03:29.52 | Amarande | or just don't put yourself through the torture of a dual boot? |
| 03:30.02 | Amarande | (I was at Borders today and at least one linux book says dual booting is bad :P) |
| 03:30.13 | NTU | what do you recommend then? |
| 03:30.25 | nvz | yeah sun virtual box is getting pretty good with guest oses |
| 03:30.33 | nvz | even has direct3d support |
| 03:31.00 | nvz | and seemless modes |
| 03:31.14 | unomi | seamless mode is pretty sexy |
| 03:31.17 | NTU | virtualbox isnt as slow as sluge? |
| 03:31.18 | nvz | which is pretty f'n cool to have both oses overlapping on the screen at the same time |
| 03:31.19 | ax | remote: thanks! apache started now! |
| 03:31.28 | NTU | *sludge |
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| 03:32.01 | remote | ok |
| 03:32.19 | unomi | ntu, depends.. for some reason IE8 is faster in a guest XP then ff3.5 is on debian native :p |
| 03:32.43 | NTU | i hope DiRT 2 plays good |
| 03:32.51 | unomi | meh |
| 03:34.06 | nvz | I'm a virtual RMS, so your complaints aren't being heard here.. my philosophy is if you can't sacrifice to be free, then you're an idiot |
| 03:34.34 | nvz | I'm also not a gamer.. even if I had no friends and nothing at all to do, I still have better things to do |
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| 03:42.11 | ax | anyone know how i can redirect all traffic on one machine [via port 80] to another machine [on port 81] |
| 03:43.05 | ax | i'm trying to quickly get my website up, and fix my distro next week, after this time sensitive time ha spased |
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| 03:47.31 | nvz | yawns. |
| 03:47.41 | cbx | Is there some apt app that will let me convert files in the Debian iso to a debian mirror / repo? |
| 03:47.47 | nvz | 20min now on the Detect Disks screen.. |
| 03:48.28 | Amarande | nvz: sure you don't have some sort of hardware issue on your pci bus? |
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| 03:48.48 | nvz | Amarande: sure on every machine at every users house I've installed on in the last year? |
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| 03:49.36 | nvz | Amarande: if it were one machine I'd have already thought of that.. did this on my netbook, my brothers machine, my friend Jeff's... the server I installed recently.. etc |
| 03:49.39 | k\t | on a network install? |
| 03:49.45 | nvz | the installer is just f'n slow for some reason now |
| 03:49.46 | nvz | yes |
| 03:49.57 | nvz | everytime it goes into a probe routine it takes a f'n hour |
| 03:49.58 | Amarande | sure the installer disc isn't scratched? |
| 03:50.04 | nvz | its not reading the disc |
| 03:50.09 | nvz | its in a damn hardware probe |
| 03:50.21 | k\t | if you don't mind, try pxe... i've had nothing but success with it lately. |
| 03:50.34 | nvz | I'm not sure how to even pxe |
| 03:50.38 | nvz | never done it |
| 03:50.48 | cbx | k\t, I just did a pxe boot |
| 03:50.57 | cbx | but I want to use the iso on the server as a source for the installer |
| 03:50.59 | k\t | tftp and dhcp3-server ... very straight forward. |
| 03:51.03 | cbx | any suggestions? |
| 03:51.12 | cbx | nvz, pxe booting is really simple / stupid |
| 03:51.50 | k\t | in debian - not sure if you have to use the iso - there are vmlinuz and initrd imaages you direct pxe to, then the installer loads (in less than a heartbeat) |
| 03:52.12 | cbx | k\t, I managed to do that |
| 03:52.19 | cbx | but how do I get access to the rest of the files? |
| 03:52.22 | cbx | once the client boots |
| 03:52.28 | cbx | it looks for a cdrom and /mnt/cdrom |
| 03:52.30 | cbx | now what? |
| 03:52.47 | cbx | I could copy the iso's to all the systems. Can the installer mount iso's? |
| 03:52.54 | nvz | that sounds like both physical and logical work.. gotta actually setup a different network physically and install a buncha crap.. I'm almost through the last detection routine here |
| 03:53.04 | k\t | the images work just like the installation from any other source (assuming we're talking about standard debian installations) |
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| 03:53.42 | nvz | I know its not froze because I can toggle numlock, switch vts and its just renewed the IP cause the lease ran out |
| 03:53.44 | cbx | k\t, how do I mount an iso? |
| 03:53.51 | cbx | ( i know, stupid question) |
| 03:53.52 | nvz | its just hung up in disk-detect |
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| 03:55.18 | nvz | I f'n hate automagic shit |
| 03:55.27 | k\t | assuming we are talking about network booting - you would use NFS to my knowledge - many BSD and some linux distros require NFS to boot, but for the standard installer -> you just place the images in a directory of the tftp server, write the configuration to pxelinux.cfg/default (don't forget boot.txt in the root directory) and call your client from the command line. |
| 03:55.37 | nvz | I miss the good ol days of having to tell it what hardware I had |
| 03:56.07 | cbx | k\t, is this for me or nvz ? :D |
| 03:56.10 | k\t | nvz: classic... |
| 03:56.14 | k\t | cbx: you! |
| 03:56.32 | cbx | k\t, I've already gotten that far :D |
| 03:56.37 | k\t | i don't understand why you are trying to mount the iso -> it can be done but i see no purpose in this situation. |
| 03:56.42 | cbx | also, I put the cd contents in the boot directory |
| 03:56.49 | cbx | but _how_ do I access it? |
| 03:57.01 | cbx | booting off pxe is already working |
| 03:57.02 | k\t | cbx - hold on... |
| 03:57.15 | cbx | once I'm in the installer, its using the media as an install source thats bothering me |
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| 03:57.27 | cbx | I've even put the iso contents on 192.168.1.3/deb |
| 03:57.30 | k\t | use the network. |
| 03:57.48 | k\t | configure your ip and install from there |
| 03:58.08 | k\t | or is there a reason why you're using the ISO? |
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| 03:58.19 | nvz | I think what happens for whatever reason is that everytime it does s detect routine it detects everything all over again and kinda chases its tail.. cause here at the 3rd detection (disks) its still showing in the logs detecting the network interfaces multiple times since it started disk-detect |
| 03:58.31 | cbx | after I configure ip ? |
| 03:58.42 | cbx | It asks to select a mirror |
| 03:58.48 | k\t | right.... |
| 03:58.52 | cbx | I've dumped the dvd contents on 192.168.1.3/deb |
| 03:59.16 | k\t | and what's your problem? |
| 03:59.21 | cbx | It says bad archiving mirror |
| 04:00.39 | k\t | cbx: grab the proper images from here: http://tinyurl.com/y9jz49h (these are i386 links, change if necessary) -> and try again |
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| 04:03.14 | endersending | how can i find the name of my debian system? i.e. "Lenny" |
| 04:04.06 | k\t | cat < /proc/version |
| 04:04.18 | Tramp | !debian version |
| 04:04.19 | dpkg | To determine which Debian suite you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "squeeze/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>. |
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| 04:05.00 | k\t | !debian testing/unstable |
| 04:06.23 | Tramp | k\t: you can /msg the bot ("testing/unstable", i.e. exactly what's in <>) |
| 04:06.38 | k\t | Tramp: did it already - thanks for the reply. |
| 04:06.44 | Tramp | yw |
| 04:06.51 | xyan | is it usual that copying data from a sd card to hdd results in uberlaggoring of my whole system, i mean moving the mouse cursor/windows is totally sluggish?! what the⦠|
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| 04:08.49 | Tramp | xyan: it hogs I/O. There is "ionice" which may help (though I have no experience with it) |
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| 04:09.55 | xyan | Tramp: well used rsync which adds its part to the hogging i guess |
| 04:10.34 | Tramp | I doubt plain "cp -a" would be better, but I may be wrong |
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| 04:11.13 | k\t | how about dd? |
| 04:11.18 | xyan | ok trying with ionice -n 7 |
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| 04:13.23 | k\t | nvz: any luck? |
| 04:14.02 | xyan | Tramp: ewww nasty! it took like 1/10 (including a call of sync) of the time and cpu usage dropped from ~80 to 10% |
| 04:15.06 | Tramp | ... well, if you use rsync most of the stuff was probably already copied - I'm not sure, what you're comparing. |
| 04:16.05 | xyan | Tramp: i rm -rf'ed the target called sync, umounted the sd card, mounted again called rsync and sync again |
| 04:16.19 | xyan | so i doubt any "pre copied" or cached stuff or whatever |
| 04:17.04 | cbx | Where can I get the grub commands that are executed to load the debian installer? |
| 04:17.39 | xyan | the debian installer uses syslinux afaik, nothing like grub involved there |
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| 04:31.47 | Rapsodius | I changed my sources.list to include sid and squeeze and I pinned it so that sid has higher priority, but when I did aptitude update it just said me 1000+ new packages |
| 04:31.53 | Rapsodius | nothing to upgrade |
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| 04:34.40 | Rapsodius | ehh... any1? |
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| 04:36.10 | xyan | Rapsodius: pastebin your apt preferences file |
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| 04:38.40 | Rapsodius | http://pastebin.com/Cny0DqBj |
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| 04:40.29 | xyan | Rapsodius: and the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 04:41.19 | Rapsodius | what? |
| 04:41.32 | xyan | apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 04:41.50 | Rapsodius | ok |
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| 04:43.16 | Rapsodius | http://pastebin.com/e9SYzuEJ |
| 04:43.35 | Rapsodius | there I have it in spanish so i did a quick translation :P |
| 04:44.20 | xyan | yeah ok, well it still preferes testing indeed, try a higher priority like 999 for sid maybe |
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| 04:45.12 | Rapsodius | is the testing/updates line well placed on the preferences? |
| 04:45.21 | xyan | Rapsodius: did you actually aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade btw? |
| 04:45.48 | Rapsodius | yep: No packages to install, remove or upgrade |
| 04:45.53 | xyan | Rapsodius: well have a read in man apt_preferences |
| 04:46.11 | xyan | im using 500 for testing 600 for unstable and 1 for experimental |
| 04:46.15 | xyan | and it works |
| 04:46.46 | Rapsodius | experimental? were are the servers for that? |
| 04:47.03 | xyan | Rapsodius: i dont recommend you to even think about experimental packages |
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| 04:50.09 | Devastator | xyan hehe, is experimental soooo unstable? |
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| 04:51.29 | Rapsodius | I got it: it was n=sid or a=unstable not a=sid |
| 04:52.11 | adb | unstable == sid |
| 04:52.11 | xyan | Rapsodius: thats new to me a=sid is the same as a=unstable |
| 04:52.30 | Rapsodius | n= matches a codename and a= matches a name |
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| 04:54.14 | Amarande | I've never quite understood dpkg-policy priorities |
| 04:54.20 | Amarande | lemme guess, it's black magic like LaTeX penalties |
| 04:54.52 | Rapsodius | mmm... its any way to force aptitude to redownload and recheck the packages list? |
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| 04:56.32 | Rapsodius | never mind changing the 'a' with 'n' did the trick |
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| 04:56.55 | Rapsodius | also lifted the line of sid on sources.list, so it prioritizes the packages there |
| 04:57.00 | Rapsodius | the instance |
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| 04:57.15 | Rapsodius | policy now shows 999 priority for the sid version |
| 04:57.20 | xyan | Rapsodius: see /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 04:58.29 | Rapsodius | removing everything in there will cause apt to redownload all? |
| 04:58.54 | Rapsodius | its just for curiosity right now since my main problem is solved |
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| 04:59.33 | xyan | yep |
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| 05:00.01 | Rapsodius | thanks for the help, got to stop X right now to do the upgrade |
| 05:00.03 | xyan | but anyway neither the order nor the a=sid / a=unstable should make a difference |
| 05:00.14 | Rapsodius | strange |
| 05:00.17 | Rapsodius | did to me |
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| 05:07.06 | nostahl | o/ guys |
| 05:07.25 | nostahl | what should i go with for my netbook. stable or testing |
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| 05:39.08 | lucascarvalho | hello, I would like to know if is possible during the .deb package creation get folders/files without need to copy them all to package folder? |
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| 05:42.21 | PARLIAMENT | "blah set to manually installed." |
| 05:42.31 | PARLIAMENT | is there any way to unset that flag? |
| 05:42.34 | PARLIAMENT | in apt |
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| 05:50.04 | Wormfood | is the time command broken? it won't accept ANY options! |
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| 05:51.16 | Wormfood | $ time -V bash: -V: command not found <-- I can't even get the god damn version! Did I overlook something in the man page? |
| 05:51.47 | Tramp | Wormfood: no. You use the builtin, not the binary |
| 05:52.12 | Wormfood | WTF?!?! |
| 05:52.15 | Tramp | "type time" to understand, what I mean |
| 05:52.25 | PARLIAMENT | try /usr/bin/time -V |
| 05:52.28 | Wormfood | I understand perfectly, why in the hell would they do that? |
| 05:52.42 | Wormfood | I did PARLIAMENT, and it works |
| 05:52.47 | Tramp | "they"? you do it |
| 05:53.01 | Tramp | i.e. you don't know, what you do. So who do you blame? |
| 05:53.06 | Wormfood | GOD DAMN IT! no, I didn't do it, this is default debian |
| 05:53.15 | Wormfood | testing |
| 05:53.27 | cbx | Hey, I'm in the debian exper installt. Anyone know how I can output text to dpaste.com or pastebin? |
| 05:53.29 | Wormfood | why in the hell would a want a crippled time command? |
| 05:53.46 | Tramp | Wormfood: sorry, you have no clue what you are talking about |
| 05:53.55 | Wormfood | yes I do tramp |
| 05:54.28 | Wormfood | but I fail to see the advantage of using a crippled time command, just because it is built into bash |
| 05:55.25 | Tramp | "time" is a shell keyword, so you can time shell-constructs like e.g. while loops. If you want "/usr/bin/time" then run "/usr/bin/time". It's not "crippled". It's your lack of understanding. |
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| 05:57.01 | Wormfood | no Tramp, "time" is a BASH reserved keyword |
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| 05:57.18 | Tramp | that's what I said 3 times now. |
| 05:57.57 | Wormfood | it does not appear to be a reserved keyword for other shells |
| 05:58.01 | Tramp | "help time" describes, what it does. "man time" describes, what /usr/bin/time does |
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| 05:58.14 | Tramp | Wormfood: so use other shells if that confuses you too much |
| 05:58.26 | Wormfood | it does not confuse me at all |
| 05:58.34 | Wormfood | I just wasn't aware that "time" was a god damn bash reserved keyword |
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| 05:58.40 | Tramp | apparently it did |
| 05:58.58 | Tramp | you are swearing a lot. |
| 05:59.04 | Wormfood | I'm frustrated |
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| 06:00.30 | fs-a | hi. is there a cross-compiler in debian stable amd64 to build 32bit binaries for linux32? |
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| 06:11.30 | fs-a | gcc -m32 1.c |
| 06:11.31 | fs-a | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc |
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| 06:12.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | fs-a: you could build a 32bit chroot, or use a 32bit pbuilder |
| 06:13.30 | fs-a | is it unsupported? |
| 06:13.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | what? |
| 06:14.36 | fs-a | a found it. |
| 06:14.41 | fs-a | i also needed gcc-multilib |
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| 06:33.29 | yesitisjustme | will debian detect 3g cards out of the box? |
| 06:34.32 | liable | depends on its chipset and your kernel version |
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| 06:35.24 | yesitisjustme | i see |
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| 06:52.41 | OrigenAE | Hi All, I'm running Lenny on /dev/hda and I have another 8 disks Id like to configure in RAID 5. My question is what is the best encryption application that will allow me to encrypt the entire md array while maintaining functionality such as expanding and rebuilding the array on the fly? |
| 06:53.32 | dondelelcaro | OrigenAE: why don't you just run the encryption on top of the array? |
| 06:54.02 | dondelelcaro | OrigenAE: then your only question is whether or not the encryption algorithm supports expansion |
| 06:55.05 | hile | yeah, md -> luks-encrypted-pv -> lvm is quite standard and supported by debian installer even |
| 06:55.17 | OrigenAE | dondelcaro -Thank you, when you say run it onto the array do you mean building a container file? |
| 06:55.43 | dondelelcaro | OrigenAE: no, I mean running md on the bottom, then the encryption method, then the filesystem |
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| 06:57.02 | OrigenAE | dondelcaro: Thats what I want but I cant find a clear answer as to wether I can expand the array on the fly, I've seen so many coflicting posts. |
| 06:57.25 | lotus-blade | how do I tell if other drivers are interfearing with my x server? |
| 06:57.37 | dondelelcaro | OrigenAE: you can expand the array on the fly, and FWICT, most of the encryption drivers support that too |
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| 06:57.54 | OrigenAE | hile: thank you. I've read about luks-encrpyt. If I plan on using the entire md device can I skip the use of LVM considering I'll never have a need to partition the space? |
| 06:57.58 | lotus-blade | I am trying to install the nvidia driver and I can not get it to do the right resolutions |
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| 06:58.46 | hile | OrigenAE: well, it's up to you, does not really matter: to me, lvm just gives more sensible naming of the partitions so I use it anyway |
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| 07:00.24 | OrigenAE | Thanks guys, probably best I do some testing. I'm using 2TB disks so I need to make sure I get this right and understand the full implications before I commit to anything. I wanted to use truecrypt, is that better or worse than crypsetup with luks (luks allows multiple passwords from what I've read, not really needed in my case) |
| 07:00.55 | lotus-blade | I mean I can't even get any apps to run right the res is so messed up it is only running the default 640x480 |
| 07:01.01 | hile | OrigenAE: I don't think there was an setup application to setup the encryption and /etc/crypttab for this for you, but it's quite straighforward anyway |
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| 07:03.18 | OrigenAE | hile: I'm pretty proficient with Linux, I just havnt looked into encryption before. So that steps would be 1.create the md device, 2. encrypt the array and setup pass file 3. create the filesystem on the virtual unencrypted device? EXT3 is still fine yeah? |
| 07:03.27 | hile | OrigenAE: in addition to possiblity of multiple keys, luks makes it easier not to screw up the partition, because it has a header just like partition table, so tools in principle can reliably recognize, 'oh this is not random data but a luks partition, so let's not screw it' |
| 07:05.51 | OrigenAE | hile: Ah got ya. Not that I'm encrypting to hide anything but I assume some application hide the header for deniability. So luks provides encryption but not deniability? |
| 07:06.36 | hile | yes |
| 07:07.05 | dondelelcaro | you'd be pretty hard pressed to have deniability anyway |
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| 07:08.02 | OrigenAE | hile: luks sounds like the safe bet for me. I agree your hard pressed for deniability but I dont like doing projects unless I go all out :) |
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| 07:09.00 | hile | OrigenAE: a) setup array b) cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/md0 <someflags> c) add line like "home /dev/md0 none luks" to /etc/crypttab d) /etc/init.d/cryptdisks start and at some point of course mkfs etc. |
| 07:10.08 | hile | the crypttab does not have anything to do with mountpoints: home means you will have /dev/mapper/home to work with after encrpytion is opened, so this is of course where the filesystem is created etc |
| 07:11.05 | OrigenAE | hile, dondelelcaro - thanks for the advice. I may rethink the need to encrypt the whole array, really it will only protect against physical theft which is unlikely. I'll just encrypt my backups to online storage |
| 07:11.39 | OrigenAE | On that point has anyone written or know of workaround to connect to MS Skydrive through linux (no gui on my server) |
| 07:12.08 | lotus-blade | anyone have any problems with the nvidia drivers? |
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| 07:12.40 | lotus-blade | I can't seem to get it to go to the right res |
| 07:12.58 | hile | if you wanna go fancy, you can setup all kind of schemes where the actual encryption key is for luks is gpg-encrypted on a memory stick which has to be connected during boot and you need to give the gpg passphrase for someone authorized... I think the cryptsetup scripts support for example this scenario now |
| 07:13.01 | lotus-blade | is there any drivers that would interfear with it? |
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| 07:14.20 | dondelelcaro | OrigenAE: if it's a machine that is on, it won't really even protect much against that |
| 07:15.04 | hile | I think what is still missing in linux is having very easy way of setting up encrypted filesystem image and using it on request, like encrypted images in OS/X |
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| 07:15.18 | hile | example from OS/X: hdiutil create -stdinpass -encryption AES-256 -fs 'Case-sensitive Journaled HFS+' -size 20g Work.sparseimage |
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| 07:15.48 | hile | and after it's created, you can click on the image to get passphrase dialog, or remotely run hdiutil attach -stdinpass Work.sparseimage |
| 07:15.49 | dondelelcaro | you can do that in any unix system too |
| 07:16.00 | dondelelcaro | you just mount it via a loopback |
| 07:16.15 | dondelelcaro | (there are also fuser setups which can do it too) |
| 07:16.16 | hile | dondelelcaro: of course you _can_ but it's a hack of pile of commandas |
| 07:16.25 | dondelelcaro | hile: it's just three; pretty simple |
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| 07:17.14 | hile | three vs. one, and no 'click on this to open', and requires knowledge of little details about loopback devices and such... |
| 07:17.48 | hile | my point is, in linux this should be improved with well defined ways to do it, wrappers and with GUI support |
| 07:17.50 | dondelelcaro | it's certainly possible to make one command to do it, and you can certainly do clicking to open |
| 07:18.11 | dondelelcaro | but those aren't really issues with Linux, they're issues with the tools that are used to mess with the images |
| 07:18.22 | hile | of course it's possible, but as long as such command does not exist in standard linux setup it's moot point |
| 07:18.29 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 07:19.08 | dondelelcaro | there's no such thing as a "standard linux setup"... presumably there will be GUI addons that do it if anyone thinks it's a big deal |
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| 07:19.35 | hile | we are on #debian, so we can talk about standard setup, can we? |
| 07:19.36 | dondelelcaro | hile: consider yourself volunteered to write them |
| 07:19.43 | hile | I don't have the time |
| 07:20.15 | dondelelcaro | hile: anything that would set up an encrypted loopback device in a GUI isn't going to be Priority: standard or above |
| 07:20.20 | hile | don't get offended when I just commend "btw OS/X has better tools for this particular thing, we should have similar things if someone does it" |
| 07:20.28 | LyosNorezel | anyone familiar with the SGI O2 with the R10k cpu? |
| 07:20.28 | LyosNorezel | I'm trying to netboot-install debian and I get an error message that says "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." |
| 07:22.05 | hile | anyway, setting up things like that in a nice, documented and 'common standard' way, makes just better OS, just like having good tools to manage things |
| 07:22.41 | OrigenAE | hile: does luks support pass files? |
| 07:23.05 | dondelelcaro | hile: not really getting offended, just saying that what you mean is "my DE doesn't automount encrypted images" and "there isn't a command which handles creating encrypted images in a single command" |
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| 07:23.36 | hile | OrigenAE: afaik, not as such, but it's commonly done with some wrapper scripts which feed it to the command |
| 07:23.39 | Bkmz | Hi all |
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| 07:23.59 | hile | dondelelcaro: I guess we are saying pretty much same thing :) |
| 07:24.05 | OrigenAE | easy enough- just "cat" it in |
| 07:24.22 | dondelelcaro | hile: yeah, I'm just taking issue with the casual use of "linux" when you mean specific parts of the operating system we distribute |
| 07:24.55 | hile | yeah, of course cryptsetup is not even standard part of the setup anyway |
| 07:25.00 | Bkmz | anyone can help me with script for reflect the DDoS ? |
| 07:25.24 | Bkmz | now i'm writing real time analysing system for nginx access_log |
| 07:25.40 | Bkmz | but i have some problems with alghoritm |
| 07:26.25 | Bkmz | tail ...| grep ... | awk | iptables ... |
| 07:26.43 | Bkmz | is very bad resolution |
| 07:27.00 | Bkmz | anyone can help me? |
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| 07:27.52 | hile | dondelelcaro: anyway, the hdiutil in OS/X does many things very nicely, I would say it has ways of doing things which would be worth shamelessly copying to some new tool in linux :) |
| 07:28.18 | hile | not code, but some of the ideas how it does and combines tasks |
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| 07:28.58 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: hi |
| 07:29.10 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: You Are Russian???)) |
| 07:29.13 | K0JIbKA | Bkmz: hello |
| 07:29.19 | K0JIbKA | why? |
| 07:29.50 | Bkmz | Your nick)) |
| 07:30.09 | Bkmz | this type of nick are very popular there |
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| 07:30.35 | K0JIbKA | smarty |
| 07:30.35 | ntsasng1 | Help |
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| 07:30.56 | ntsasng1 | my vlc cantnot auto load subtilte |
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| 07:31.06 | K0JIbKA | yes, I'm from Moscow if you like:) |
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| 07:31.26 | ntsasng1 | http://forum.ubuntu-vn.org/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=7983&view=unread&sid=8f8e32e2ed55d578f20654eccd920cd7#unread |
| 07:31.43 | ntsasng1 | some body help me |
| 07:31.44 | ntsasng1 | :) |
| 07:32.19 | LyosNorezel | ntsasng1: debian != ubuntu |
| 07:32.29 | K0JIbKA | Bkmz: and you are? |
| 07:32.34 | LyosNorezel | ntsasng1: try #ubuntu |
| 07:32.39 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: Krasnoyarsk |
| 07:32.49 | ntsasng1 | LyosNorezel: I'm using Debian Lendy 5.0 |
| 07:33.03 | K0JIbKA | Not far from my faterland - Barnaul |
| 07:33.21 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: system administrator?) |
| 07:33.21 | LyosNorezel | ntsasng1: then why point to an ubuntu thread? |
| 07:33.29 | Bkmz | or a programmer?) |
| 07:33.34 | K0JIbKA | none |
| 07:34.25 | K0JIbKA | I think croud will burn us if we don't go to private chat somewhere... |
| 07:34.37 | Bkmz | anyone can help me with script for reflect the DDoS ? now i'm writing real time analysing system for nginx access_log but i have some problems with alghoritm |
| 07:34.46 | ntsasng1 | LyosNorezel: because Debian like ubuntu |
| 07:34.52 | K0JIbKA | so many help needed |
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| 07:36.14 | K0JIbKA | Bkmz: How does that relate to Debian? |
| 07:36.40 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: i don't know, but i'm using lenny))) |
| 07:37.06 | K0JIbKA | have you experienced any DDoS at your server yet? |
| 07:37.14 | Bkmz | yes |
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| 07:37.22 | Bkmz | i need automatic system |
| 07:37.28 | K0JIbKA | what thee.... |
| 07:37.53 | Bkmz | sorry, i don't understand you |
| 07:38.02 | K0JIbKA | I thought it's impossible relating to Deb security level |
| 07:38.04 | Bkmz | i have a lot of DDoS of every day |
| 07:39.07 | K0JIbKA | Cmon people! This guy here is having troubles with security. Any clues? |
| 07:39.53 | Bkmz | i can manually use some of my scripts, when i detected DDoS |
| 07:39.57 | K0JIbKA | Let's start with what type of hardware we are talking about? |
| 07:40.19 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: no |
| 07:40.22 | K0JIbKA | is it a big server? what |
| 07:40.31 | K0JIbKA | type of network? |
| 07:41.07 | Bkmz | hetzner |
| 07:41.23 | Bkmz | dedicated server |
| 07:41.30 | K0JIbKA | details... |
| 07:41.54 | Bkmz | 100mbit |
| 07:42.10 | Bkmz | unlim, after 2Tb - 10mbit |
| 07:42.18 | Bkmz | 2G RAM |
| 07:42.25 | Bkmz | what else? |
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| 07:42.39 | Bkmz | i need a software solution |
| 07:42.54 | Bkmz | i can't use any hardware |
| 07:43.14 | Radhad | morning |
| 07:43.18 | K0JIbKA | type of network access? |
| 07:43.29 | Bkmz | now i developing my system... but i don't know detected zombi |
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| 07:43.47 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: ie? |
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| 07:44.02 | Radhad | What can I do when aptitude throws the error "dpkg: error processing jq-daemon-zend-server (--configure): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting configuration." ? |
| 07:44.11 | Radhad | I cannot update / remove that package |
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| 07:45.09 | K0JIbKA | I suppose your way leads to http://linuxforum.ru/ |
| 07:45.28 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: =\ |
| 07:45.39 | K0JIbKA | at least they speak russian |
| 07:45.44 | K0JIbKA | !russian |
| 07:45.44 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:45.46 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: on the new forum? |
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| 07:47.18 | K0JIbKA | I'm not capable to answer your request, sorry:-[ |
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| 07:51.10 | Bkmz | K0JIbKA: (: |
| 07:51.27 | Bkmz | i'll try to use linux forum |
| 07:51.46 | Bkmz | but what version do u recommended? etersoft? or not? |
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| 07:57.16 | iceroot | is there a way to see if a program is build with amd64? firefox in this case (yes, firefox, not iceweasel) |
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| 07:58.42 | jmarsden | iceroot: file /path/to/the/program |
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| 07:59.18 | iceroot | jmarsden: i will have a look |
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| 08:00.11 | jmarsden | iceroot: Output will include something like "ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64" if it is a 64bit executable. |
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| 08:00.37 | iceroot | /usr/bin/firefox: POSIX shell script text executable |
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| 08:01.12 | iceroot | its the path "which firefox" is telling me |
| 08:01.17 | jmarsden | That's not the program, that is the wrapper script |
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| 08:02.10 | jmarsden | The actual executable might be something like firefox-bin |
| 08:02.24 | simonrvn | you'll want the firefox-bin in the package / tar |
| 08:02.36 | lotus-blade | help, I can not get nvidia driver to give the correct resolutions, any ideas? |
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| 08:03.56 | ambuli | what does it mean re-indexing debian repository ? |
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| 08:05.10 | iceroot | ELF 32-bit LSB executable ok its 32bit. thanks for the help |
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| 08:06.46 | rosco | I have problems with the vacation program of centos. Our previous mail server was running debian and vacation on this platform was working normally. Would it be advisable to get the source of the debian's vacation program, compile it on centos and run it ? |
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| 08:11.27 | oggei | better to open a bug against centos and have his package corrected, if broken: otherwise you'll get an unsupported non upgradable solution |
| 08:16.42 | K0JIbKA | speaking of security. what program should I use and what files to look in /var/log to maintain my laptop running trouble free ? |
| 08:17.00 | iceroot | is there a way (without apt-file) to find out which package provides this file? /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-6-sun-1.6.0.17/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so |
| 08:17.44 | oggei | dpkg-query -S <filename> provides info about a file installed by an installed package |
| 08:19.14 | iceroot | oggei: thx, now i need to know what package has a dependency to ia32-sun-java6-bin because i never installed that package |
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| 08:20.27 | oggei | ia32-sun-java6-bin isn't in debian, nor it seems provided by anything any longer |
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| 08:20.44 | oggei | sun-java6-jre replaces it |
| 08:20.52 | iceroot | oggei: yes, that is not a standard-debian-package |
| 08:22.33 | oggei | try to explain your problem |
| 08:23.08 | iceroot | oggei: i want to know how to see why a package is installed. so what package has a dependency to that package |
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| 08:24.06 | simonrvn | apt-cache depends etc. |
| 08:24.09 | oggei | the most rapid way is try to uninstall it and see what happens |
| 08:24.24 | oggei | apt-cache rdepends also gives you info |
| 08:24.45 | oggei | but it's pretty annoying to reconstruct the whole dep graph |
| 08:24.55 | oggei | and my aptitude fu isn't so good |
| 08:25.00 | iceroot | simonrvn: oggei thank you, now i have what i want |
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| 08:36.19 | hesham | hi, is it possible to install debian lenny on SATA hard drive. i have tried several time and getting : cann't detect the hard drive, choose a hard drive from the list. I have tried but hasn't worked. My question: how to install lenny on sata hard drive |
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| 08:37.21 | the-dude | hesham: sometimes it is needed to change a "compatible" mode in the bios, then install it and change it afterwards |
| 08:37.41 | jelly-hme | hesham: also, if your hardware is reasonably new, try using the installer images with updated kernels. /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 08:39.28 | hesham | thanks |
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| 09:18.06 | suw | hello |
| 09:18.18 | suw | how can I increase amavisd-new loglevel ? |
| 09:18.50 | suw | i want to know more what's amavis doing - I've tried to set up dkim and it's not signing - I want to know why |
| 09:20.06 | PiousMinion | How do I specify my dns server(s) in lenny? /etc/resolv.conf says not to edit by hand. Ideas? |
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| 09:20.32 | cahoot | !resolv.conf |
| 09:20.32 | dpkg | [resolv.conf] /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
| 09:20.33 | themill | PiousMinion: how do you configure your IP? |
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| 09:20.48 | PiousMinion | themill: static in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:21.39 | themill | PiousMinion: and you presumably have the "resolvconf" package installed. You can use "dns-nameservers a.b.c.d" in /etc/network/interfaces then. |
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| 09:21.51 | jelly | well, "written by your DHCP client" isn't really true these days |
| 09:22.02 | suw | PiousMinion: add in /etc/network/interfaces at your eth device > "dns-nameservers 127.0.0.1 192.168.x.x." |
| 09:22.24 | gothenburg | $sudo locate food |
| 09:22.39 | suw | gothenburg: you don't need sudo for food ;) |
| 09:22.49 | themill | hands gothenburg a sandwich |
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| 09:22.56 | themill | PiousMinion: "man 8 resolvconf" for more details and examples |
| 09:22.57 | gothenburg | themill: :D |
| 09:23.10 | gothenburg | amnamnamn |
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| 09:23.26 | jelly | gothenburg: slow down |
| 09:23.56 | gothenburg | :( |
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| 09:24.41 | jelly | chew! |
| 09:25.02 | PiousMinion | thanks all. :) |
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| 09:37.37 | dukebody | congrats for the new iceweasel welcome page ;) |
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| 09:39.07 | dukebody | I see no Firefox 3.5 UA profiles... |
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| 09:41.09 | gothenburg | :D |
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| 09:43.47 | linduxed | lets say ive added a printer through the gnome interface, how do i print a textfile from the commadline? |
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| 09:44.07 | linduxed | i don't feel like opening openoffice every time |
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| 09:46.04 | gothenburg | don't close openoffice? |
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| 09:46.29 | Wulf | Hello |
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| 09:46.55 | the-dude | linduxed: man lpr |
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| 09:47.20 | Wulf | "apt-get upgrade" shows "141MB of additional disk space will be used". How can I find out which individual upgrade takes the most space? |
| 09:47.47 | mischief | by using the aptitude and it's ncurses interface |
| 09:47.53 | chaochao | euw |
| 09:47.55 | mischief | its* |
| 09:48.19 | gothenburg | never used aptitude :p |
| 09:48.48 | Wulf | it has minesweeper! |
| 09:48.55 | mischief | !why aptitude |
| 09:48.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 09:50.01 | dukebody | linduxed: I guess you can pipe it somewhat. |
| 09:50.13 | themill | Wulf: man aptitude gives you options for that at the command line interface for aptitude too. |
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| 09:50.58 | dukebody | linduxed: found something: http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/options.html |
| 09:51.00 | gothenburg | I allways do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade :p |
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| 09:56.23 | fireba11 | anyone got a tip for a groupware solution i might want to look at? requirements are kalender sync with outlook and thunderbird (lightning), postfix and dovecot combatibility would be nice |
| 09:57.01 | Wulf | I found -Z but it's still not sorted |
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| 10:01.56 | zhxk` | hi, stuff |
| 10:02.09 | fred | Hey; how do I find out what package creates a specific group? In this case, the group is openldap, but I'd prefer to know how to find out rather than just the answer :p |
| 10:02.57 | romgo | Hi ugys I'm setting up a NTP server but I got an issue. I put two stratum 2 servers in my ntp.conf file. When I'm checking the peers I can only see stratum 16 for my servers... Any idea ? |
| 10:02.59 | zhxk` | i dont know |
| 10:03.32 | Wulf | ah, found it. ghc6. purge. |
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| 10:06.45 | themill | fred: you can "grep openldap /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst" |
| 10:06.49 | Wulf | thanks! |
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| 10:16.54 | rodr1go | hi, I have installed grub everything seemd to configured as it should when I reboot the server did not boot up so I have reboot on rescue mode to check what the problem is please can anyone advice me which log should i check |
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| 10:17.35 | nvz | well I just learned the hard way that using 64bit OS on a 64bit machine isn't always a good thing |
| 10:17.51 | chaochao | haha |
| 10:17.52 | petemc | rodr1go: if the machine didnt boot, its not going to be able to write to a log file |
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| 10:18.12 | nvz | chaochao: ;) |
| 10:18.19 | chaochao | :D |
| 10:18.30 | cahoot | chowchow? |
| 10:19.00 | fred | themill: thanks |
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| 10:20.13 | rodr1go | petemc, is dedicated rented from ovh they have a rescue mode system dont know if they have any kind of system for that but i know if i done something wrong i can still access the server via rescue mode and check or alter the files, the question is what could possibly be the error |
| 10:20.17 | nvz | the main app I was running on here was a 3d application and the performance is 10 times worse on 64bit than 32bit |
| 10:20.23 | nvz | though the app is 32bit, so.. |
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| 10:21.07 | petemc | rodr1go: you dont have a console to see the boot process#? |
| 10:21.26 | rodr1go | petemc, they had lilo on it so i replaced with grub |
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| 10:21.41 | petemc | rodr1go: why? |
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| 10:22.15 | rodr1go | petemc, because i need to run xen and it seems that grub is better with grub |
| 10:23.09 | petemc | rodr1go: ok, so do you have a console where you can see the boot process? otherwise you're going to be guessing what the problem is |
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| 10:25.13 | rodr1go | petemc, i guess i do but i am not sure if is the right console you are mentioning i have access via web to check and ssh they call rescue mode |
| 10:26.09 | petemc | rodr1go: when you boot the machine, can you see what its doing? |
| 10:26.19 | rodr1go | let me try |
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| 10:32.56 | yow | hi room. im using debian etch, when i scp a text file to a centos 5.2 system, the received text file is different from the original text file and the problem is repeateble. does anyone know the reason? btw, the scp was successful with "Exit status 0" |
| 10:34.35 | simonrvn | why are you using etch? it's not even suppoted anymore. |
| 10:34.40 | simonrvn | supported |
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| 10:36.34 | yow | simonrvn: cos i haven't got the time to upgrade to lenny. however, the problem (bug?) should never have occured at the first place, i reckon, not etch nor sarge, sid or woody. don't u think so? |
| 10:37.19 | simonrvn | my point is that it might be fixed in lenny's. or it might be a centos issue. |
| 10:37.56 | themill | yow: in what way are the files different? |
| 10:38.12 | mquin | 42 |
| 10:38.19 | yow | simonrvn: i think the problem is very weird, and frankly, im really surprise to have discovered it. yet, i haven't got a clue which part of the process "failed".. |
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| 10:39.40 | John80 | i am looking for a string called $_GET and i'm searching like cat module_* | grep "$_GET" however I get all lines of these files as result, even files that not contain $_GET - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 10:40.01 | simonrvn | escape the $ ? |
| 10:40.06 | John80 | simonrvn: how? |
| 10:40.14 | chaochao | \ |
| 10:40.27 | simonrvn | what do you mean how? you should know this ;). |
| 10:40.33 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 10:40.33 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
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| 10:41.00 | nvz | the cat is not needed nor is the pipe, grep accepts a file/directory as an argument |
| 10:41.02 | themill | yow: I routinely scp files from etch boxes to centos 5.x boxes without issues. |
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| 10:41.45 | yow | themill: some texts are missing. i was scp'ing some .c & .h files |
| 10:41.54 | simonrvn | !uuoc John80 |
| 10:41.54 | dpkg | hands John80 the "useless use of cat" award |
| 10:41.57 | vargadanis | hello everyone! Is it possible to extend a local partition, say /home with an NFS partition? As if the 2 (local and remote with NFS) were a single partition |
| 10:42.08 | themill | John80: use ' ' around things with $ in them not " " otherwise the shell eats the $foo as a variable |
| 10:42.13 | vargadanis | ? <- always forgets them |
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| 10:42.49 | yow | themill: actually, i scp'ed a 4gb knoppix iso and some 100mb-600+mb virtual machines images too but those larges files are all fine (using diff) |
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| 10:43.21 | ralonso | hi |
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| 10:43.53 | yow | themill: frankly, i've been using scp & ssh for years and i never come across the problem before! in fact, it makes me think now it might have happened b4 without me realising it |
| 10:44.02 | nvz | John80: so to recap: grep '$_GET' module_* |
| 10:44.05 | ralonso | someone tried to install 5.04 on a debian server ML110G6? |
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| 10:44.56 | nvz | John80: and cherish your useless use of cat award.. haha |
| 10:44.57 | themill | yow: I know it's rude to say this, but it's much more likely that you accidentally copied an old version of the .c and .h file. (Either that or one of other of your filesystems is dying) |
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| 10:45.09 | simonrvn | literal grep (not aliased to grep -E for instance) i think will accept that as a literal string. though it seems to not be doing that in John80's case, so i'd escape it, '\$_GET' |
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| 10:46.01 | nvz | simonrvn: I just did grep '$z' z* on a folder I have a buncha scripts in and seemed to do what he wanted |
| 10:46.15 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:46.26 | ridoo | hey folks .. how can I make evince remember my print setup setting to print always on A4? |
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| 10:46.31 | simonrvn | i have mine aliased to grep -E ;p |
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| 10:47.17 | nvz | simonrvn: I just toss in a -e when I need to be that specific |
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| 10:47.39 | yow | themill: i scp'ed over 10GB in one go, at first, i thought probably that was the cause, but, later when i scp'ed 2 (failed) files separately again, they failed again, i've even scp'ed 3 times on one of the files. btw, both HDs are rather new, about or less than 1 years old. |
| 10:47.46 | simonrvn | i first set it that ay to learn regexp, now i just prefer it. |
| 10:48.38 | nvz | simonrvn: well when you learn to do something right the first time... heh |
| 10:48.39 | themill | nvz: -e != -E |
| 10:49.10 | yow | themill: also, the difference of the text file after scp'ed remained identical! that's very puzzling too. |
| 10:49.27 | themill | simonrvn: according to the man page, -E does nothing in GNU grep. |
| 10:49.28 | nvz | themill: yeah but wtf is an "extended" regex? |
| 10:50.03 | themill | nvz: the man page discusses. And also tells you that you don't need to know if you are using GNU tools. Just don't tell greycat. |
| 10:50.34 | nvz | hah, I can't tell greycat anything.. he probably still has me on ignore from like a decade ago |
| 10:50.51 | simonrvn | themill: what? since when? |
| 10:51.20 | simonrvn | i'm showing my old fartiness... |
| 10:51.24 | nvz | despite his ways, I think he's a pretty fart smeller.. |
| 10:51.32 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.40 | simonrvn | Interpret PATTERN as an extended regular expression (ERE, see below). (-E is specified by POSIX.) |
| 10:51.47 | themill | simonrvn: since at least sarge. http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=grep&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+3.1+sarge&format=html&locale=en |
| 10:51.48 | nvz | <3s spoonerisms |
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| 10:52.45 | simonrvn | i'm looking at the grep man page here in sid and i see no such thing. |
| 10:52.51 | yow | themill: one more thing, i did `cp -av' the file over samba after that and it succeeded. the file is identical. after that, i re-scp'ed again and the file became identical this time (after the `cp -av') |
| 10:52.57 | themill | simonrvn: you need to read the "see below" bit. |
| 10:52.58 | yow | themill: isn't it weird?? |
| 10:53.02 | nvz | gets ready to install Debian 5.0.4 |
| 10:53.10 | nvz | feels like I've done this recently.. heh |
| 10:53.47 | nvz | makes me feel like a f'n newbie reinstalling after only 6hrs |
| 10:55.04 | themill | simonrvn: further down it says (since at least sarge): «Grep understands three different versions of regular expression syntax: "basic," "extended," and "perl." In GNU grep, there is no difference in available functionality using either of the first two syntaxes.» |
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| 10:55.48 | nvz | themill: which is what I said in the first place, that I use -e and don't know the difference between extended and basic |
| 10:56.06 | themill | nvz: umm... -e is a completely different thing again |
| 10:56.06 | nvz | all you're doing is proving to us that you RTFM |
| 10:56.23 | simonrvn | themill: i'm not seeing that text at all. |
| 10:56.30 | nvz | -e interprets pattern as a regex, which seems to be the same thing -E does |
| 10:56.45 | simonrvn | wonders wtf is wrong with his grep here |
| 10:56.56 | themill | nvz: err no. that's not what it does at all |
| 10:57.03 | simonrvn | Use PATTERN as the pattern. This can be used to specify multiple search patterns, or to protect a pattern beginning with a hyphen (-). |
| 10:57.04 | r4y3k | hi all |
| 10:57.08 | simonrvn | that's for -e |
| 10:57.16 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.37 | nvz | throws a sheet over themill's head and signals for simonrvn to join in pretending he's not here |
| 10:57.40 | nvz | hehe |
| 10:58.05 | simonrvn | heh. i'm seriously wondering wth's going on here. |
| 10:58.21 | nvz | I know, but its like 6am.. |
| 10:58.32 | simonrvn | themill: what's your grep version? |
| 10:58.36 | simonrvn | so? |
| 10:59.10 | yow | themill: don't u think the problem is weird? any idea? |
| 10:59.10 | nvz | well idk about you but I've been up.. not just wakin up |
| 10:59.23 | simonrvn | i woke up at 3 |
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| 10:59.32 | nvz | yow: most people are still leaning towards user error in your issue |
| 10:59.36 | yow | themill: i can send u a pair of the files that r difference after scp'ed, if u want |
| 10:59.43 | themill | yow: most odd indeed. I truly doubt it's a problem with scp though.... |
| 10:59.45 | nvz | not to mention you never indicated exactly what changed in the files |
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| 11:00.39 | themill | simonrvn: lenny's. That section of the man page is unchanged from sarge through to sid though |
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| 11:01.27 | yow | nvz: hmm... i just (still) think this error/problem should not occur, it seems and feels surreal to me |
| 11:01.27 | simonrvn | themill: the "REGULAR EXPRESSION" section in mine: grep understands two different versions of regular expression syntax: âbasicâ and âextended.â |
| 11:01.55 | yow | themill: i've never doubted scp nor ssh b4 |
| 11:02.04 | simonrvn | themill: the one at the link you posted has 'three' and mentions perl |
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| 11:02.54 | simonrvn | themill: and i asked you for the *specific* version, like 2.5.4-4 for instance. :P |
| 11:02.57 | themill | simonrvn: ahh yes. you're right, the man page has finally stopped mentioning PCRE. |
| 11:03.32 | themill | simonrvn: but it does still tell you «In GNU grep, there is no difference in available functionality using either syntax» |
| 11:04.15 | simonrvn | oh, ok. thanks. i'm still a bit wonky from the marathon. |
| 11:04.26 | themill | actually, that got fixed for lenny. |
| 11:04.27 | simonrvn | s,mara,radio, |
| 11:04.45 | themill | but yes, -E and -G are identical.. i.e. -E is not needed with gnu grep |
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| 11:05.33 | simonrvn | ok. i can remove that alias then. |
| 11:05.55 | themill | \o/ |
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| 11:08.12 | vargadanis | is it possible to trigger a bash script when a user reaches it's disk limit? |
| 11:08.51 | nvz | yow: I agree that far, that it should not happen, but I know from being in the field a long time that there are various plain/binary..etc modes and such that slightly alter the way files are transmitted over a network as well as countless other ways there could be user error involved with causing such a problem |
| 11:08.55 | yow | thank you very much simonrvn, themill and nvz. im going for dinner now and i'll try to compare more files and see if there's any fixed patterns to the problem. i have the feeling that this could be the cause to the problem as there are only 39 out of 26871 files in the uClinux-dist that suffered from the problem and the problem is repeatable. |
| 11:09.31 | simonrvn | hmm. well good luck with that. |
| 11:09.40 | nvz | that tells you a lot more if its only certain files |
| 11:09.53 | nvz | I'm wondering wth you didnt tar em up for fucks sake.. haha |
| 11:10.14 | yow | nvz: may i know what u mean by "user error"? do u mean coding/programming/software error? |
| 11:10.19 | nvz | thats generally what people do when they want to transfer a buncha files and not have em messed up |
| 11:10.22 | RichiH | !bpo |
| 11:10.23 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
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| 11:10.52 | nvz | yow: I mean that you could have simply done the wrong thing for what you wanted to accomplish |
| 11:11.04 | nvz | yow: if it were me, I would have tarred the f'n source before transmitting it |
| 11:11.11 | yow | nvz: it did cross my mindto tar them up b4 scp'ing anyhow, it just happened that i didn't do that |
| 11:11.32 | nvz | and surprisingly (sarcasm) you ran into problems.. |
| 11:12.05 | yow | nvz: im fairly certain that the transmission will not have problem if i tar the files and re-transmit them again |
| 11:12.18 | nvz | as am I |
| 11:12.53 | yow | nvz: in a way, im "glad" that i didn't tar the files b4 scp'ing just now, i'd not have discovered the problem otherwise! :) |
| 11:12.58 | simonrvn | could be a network issue too, or even hardware. |
| 11:13.15 | simonrvn | but i doubt it. |
| 11:13.42 | nvz | I've seen these kinds of issues before when people are using ftp and have it in the wrong transfer mode |
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| 11:14.13 | nvz | its just standard practice to not try transmit via any protocol something like a huge source tree without tarring it up first |
| 11:14.13 | yow | simonrvn: i forgot to metioned that the transmission was over a 100 base t local lan |
| 11:14.29 | nvz | tar preserves a lot of different things, and makes transferring easier |
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| 11:15.10 | yow | nvz: but there r no ascii/binary modes in scp, r there? |
| 11:15.16 | simonrvn | tar is good too for cross-platform |
| 11:15.20 | simonrvn | nope |
| 11:15.32 | nvz | yow: not that I am aware but I'm not a SSH protocol guru either |
| 11:16.12 | yow | nvz: the weird that the same error occured when i re-scp individual file again and the missing texts/lines are the same! |
| 11:16.13 | nvz | yow: I'm just telling you as a long time user, and a linux certified professional that tar is the way to go to avoid this issue regardless |
| 11:16.38 | simonrvn | say sending over a tarball to an older mac os, then sending it to some wincrap box, then sending it to a unix box, it won't lose meta-data or other data between transfers. |
| 11:16.40 | yow | nvz: i agree with u on that |
| 11:16.43 | nvz | yow: if its only certain files you need to pay close attention to how those files are different and what parts of them failed to transmit |
| 11:17.00 | yow | nvz: that's true |
| 11:17.08 | nvz | yow: winscp is the only case where scp would do ftp ascii/binary like behavior that I know of |
| 11:17.50 | yow | nvz: thx for the info about winscp. i did use it long time ago when i was using windows |
| 11:18.03 | nvz | yeah it tends to do some weird shit like that |
| 11:18.57 | yow | nvz: i hope i can spot or figure something out and let u guys know about it later |
| 11:19.29 | yow | nvz: thanks again & ttul |
| 11:19.33 | nvz | even without studying the protocol, I know ssh is compressed and whatnot, so it would seem its binary by very nature |
| 11:19.45 | simonrvn | nvz: you got a certification? when? what's it good for? to me it's just another piece of paper :P. |
| 11:19.48 | nvz | so everything is converted when transfered in some manner or another |
| 11:20.07 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah.. it doesnt do much.. thats for sure. |
| 11:20.18 | yow | simonrvn: i'd like to have a paper like that :) |
| 11:20.28 | nvz | simonrvn: CompTIA invited me to help with their 2009 Linux+ Beta, I got the cert for free |
| 11:20.31 | yow | simonrvn: but perhaps im too old for that now |
| 11:20.50 | nvz | simonrvn: before it was ever available no less |
| 11:21.01 | yow | nvz: that sounds nice and u must be very good at that! |
| 11:21.12 | simonrvn | nvz: *nods* |
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| 11:21.22 | nvz | idk it would appear that I am good at taking tests |
| 11:21.37 | nvz | as I never study and never get below the top 2 percentile |
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| 11:22.27 | yow | nvz: i think that proves that u r good at what u r doing, in a way. |
| 11:22.43 | nvz | perhaps |
| 11:23.29 | nvz | people like to see at least some C.S. degree or Certs to show that you've put forth the effort and know what you're doing |
| 11:23.52 | nvz | I only know that because its on the job requirements on postings.. not because anyone hired my ass.. heh |
| 11:24.40 | yow | nvz: for a very long period of time, i used to believe that (hype/myth?) people who r good at taking exams are not good at making money or not so capable in having a good career. but, i guess i was wrong |
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| 11:26.09 | nvz | i'd worked for many years under the table for my cousins roofing/siding business and doing my own computer work under the table as well.. so the only references I have to prove I've been making money are 1) myself and 2) the hillbilly they're gonna call who is gonna be on a rooftop with loud noise in the background and poor reception who is uninterested in the call in the first place |
| 11:26.17 | yow | nvz: i think i better go for dinner now as it's 19:25 over here in Taiwan and i've been suffering from gastric problem since more than a year ago. i'll be back. |
| 11:26.20 | yow | themill: thanks again & ttul |
| 11:26.36 | nvz | my problem as I've been told by honest people who reject my resume, is work history |
| 11:27.12 | nvz | they are all like, you're resume looks great, I can tell you are really intelligent.. we're not gonna hire you.. heh |
| 11:27.47 | yow | nvz: they didn't hire u cos u r too intelligent? why? |
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| 11:28.07 | spo0nman | hi |
| 11:28.19 | nvz | I said its because of my work history or so they say |
| 11:28.28 | nvz | but yes being smart intimidates people |
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| 11:28.50 | yow | nvz: do u mean they thought u had not have enough experience? |
| 11:28.57 | nvz | pretty much |
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| 11:29.43 | yow | nvz: "being smart intimidates people". im not sure if i understand this yet although im already 40 over :) |
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| 11:30.25 | nvz | yow: well last time I went to school was a rare case.. the teacher not only didn't make me do any of the work, but she pretty much wanted me to teach her and the rest of the class.. |
| 11:30.36 | nvz | but usually people just want you gone when they realize you can take their job |
| 11:31.04 | yow | nvz: WOW |
| 11:31.16 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:31.41 | yow | nvz: hmm... i think i can understand this: "threatening their positions" |
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| 11:32.13 | yow | nvz: u must be really clever then. good for u, i reckon :) |
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| 11:33.43 | nvz | *shrugs* I get stuff. they were suppose to show me the inside of a PC and explain it my first day.. and ended up pointing at shit and going "whats that?" so I explained.. heh. "Well thats an inductor on this voltage regulator which regulates precise voltage for the cpu's current trottling state.." |
| 11:34.20 | nvz | an inductor combined with a capacitor .... takes a ... and makes it look like... blah blah blah |
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| 11:34.51 | yow | nvz: :))) |
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| 11:36.31 | nvz | sometimes I don't know like any body else.. but in most places in life I am far more intelligent than anyone around me. Here its different.. I'm pretty dumb compared to the people that hang out here |
| 11:36.43 | krion | hey guys, anyone using heartbeat ? |
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| 11:37.05 | nvz | krion: yeah mines at about 70 right now |
| 11:37.06 | SlayerXP | krion: yes? |
| 11:37.15 | nvz | maybe more cause I just drank some hot coco |
| 11:37.20 | krion | i've duplicated two xen domU renamed them and adapted the heartbeat configuration but it still find reference of the old hostname |
| 11:37.38 | krion | nvz: rofl :) |
| 11:38.01 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 11:38.03 | yow | nvz: u r too humble there, anyway, it's good to be humble :) |
| 11:38.08 | nvz | this would be one of the things I don't know |
| 11:38.39 | krion | i've grep the old hostname in /etc/ha.d/* but no help |
| 11:38.43 | yow | nvz: no one know everything on earth, that's for sure. |
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| 11:38.47 | krion | really, i don't know.. |
| 11:38.50 | nvz | I'm plenty cocky when its practical |
| 11:39.04 | yow | nvz: anyway, nice talking to u. look forward totalking to u again when both of us r free. |
| 11:39.19 | nvz | yep, you know where to find me.. been here like 10 years |
| 11:40.18 | adnc | hello, i'm wondering why my davfs mounts do not work, i've setup a davfs server with debian and a client that is mounting with -t davfs. unfortunately mounting works ok, but any files i put or create in the mounted dir is simply placed into lost+found but not into the mounted dir. what could be the problem? |
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| 11:41.12 | yow | nvz: WOW! good. |
| 11:41.33 | krion | SlayerXP: any hint ? |
| 11:42.04 | nvz | yow: debstats.dontexist.org |
| 11:42.08 | SlayerXP | krion: the only place the hostname might be used is the haresources file |
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| 11:44.49 | yow | nvz: got the url, will check it out further later |
| 11:45.20 | nvz | yow: pretty cool software, and proof that Piggy is watching you.. heh |
| 11:46.03 | yow | nvz: sorry for my dump question: what's "Piggy"? |
| 11:46.31 | nvz | yow: the bot that logs everything in here to generate the PISG statistics for that website I just gave you |
| 11:47.13 | yow | nvz: ic. thx for the explanation |
| 11:47.38 | nvz | well I actually doubt its anything more than an IRC client with logging enabled |
| 11:47.48 | nvz | as sussudio has been known to chat from it |
| 11:47.50 | yow | nvz: ic |
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| 11:49.04 | nvz | haven't seen that crazy soviet bastard in a long time |
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| 11:52.09 | nvz | anywho.. seems the cd I just burnt is not in fact a bootable debian install cd |
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| 11:52.33 | aNeX | how can I hide one users info on debian ? when I type w or who |
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| 11:53.46 | petemc | aNeX: rewrite w and who |
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| 11:54.41 | aNeX | heh |
| 11:54.53 | nvz | aNeX: or see the manpages for utmp and wtmp and how the login process writes em |
| 11:55.15 | nvz | then rewrite one of those programs :-P |
| 11:55.20 | nvz | heh |
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| 11:55.53 | aNeX | that was helpful ;) |
| 11:56.01 | aNeX | wouldn't come to my mind lol |
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| 11:58.54 | nvz | hmm.. I have no idea wth this thing did to this cd.. |
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| 11:59.17 | nvz | was suppose to have burned Debian 5.0.4 i386 netinstall onto it, and said it did.. |
| 11:59.27 | nvz | but the things won't mount or boot |
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| 12:01.28 | nvz | If I had another blank cd laying here I'd just do it again.. but I only had two sitting here.. and burned the AMD64 on one.. then realized my performance BLOWS on 64bit and wanna reinstall with 32bit |
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| 12:02.05 | nvz | funny thing is, I was just on AMD's website reading their page about the truths/myths about AMD64 linux |
| 12:02.24 | nvz | and they claim a negligable 1-2% performance hit on 32bit apps on 64bit linux |
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| 12:03.19 | nvz | I'm noticing performance on 64bit that is far more than 10 times worse than it was on 32bit with this 32bit application |
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| 12:04.41 | nvz | you could imagine this is a biased thing anyhow, but its a pretty funny read especially if you've witnessed the same kinda performance hit for 32bit apps on amd64 that I did |
| 12:04.41 | krion | SlayerXP: i was using the same authkeys param |
| 12:04.44 | nvz | http://forums.amd.com/devblog/blogpost.cfm?threadid=93648&catid=317 |
| 12:04.47 | krion | so that's why i've seen them |
| 12:05.03 | krion | what's weird is that it wasn't in the same broadcast |
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| 12:06.18 | chaochao | dpkg -i sl |
| 12:06.18 | dpkg | removes a kidney from chaochao and replaces it with sl |
| 12:06.24 | chaochao | lol |
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| 12:07.25 | nvz | chaochao: what was that about? |
| 12:08.17 | nuscire | hey, guys. after i start the gnome-setting-daemon, all the keys do not repeat themselves as i hold them down. what's problem? |
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| 12:09.13 | nvz | nuscire: uh.. check your gnome settings? heh |
| 12:09.53 | nuscire | nvz: how? i'm not using gnome. |
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| 12:10.17 | nvz | nuscire: gnome-keyboard-properties |
| 12:10.42 | nvz | nuscire: if you are running gnome-settings-daemon, you might as well be.. cause you are inheriting all its settings |
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| 12:13.02 | nuscire | nvz: well, i think you are right. but i don't have gnome-keyboard-properties on my system, neither in the repository as i just tried. |
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| 12:14.24 | nvz | nuscire: while this particilar setting may not be the source of your problem, I find it unlikely.. and I know I'm right.. because otherwise I would have went to bed instead of said something |
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| 12:16.04 | nvz | nuscire: you either need to install gconf-editor (the hard way) or gnome-control-center (the easy way) to modify gnome settings if you are going to run gnome-settings-daemon |
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| 12:16.46 | nuscire | nvz: okay, thank you. i'm trying that. |
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| 12:18.17 | nuscire | nvz: wow! i need 128MB of archives to install the gnome-control-center... |
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| 12:21.13 | zvalentiner | Does anyone have any ideas why python installed from sid repositories would not work with ssl? python and python-openssl have both been installed using apt. Here is the precise error I'm getting: http://pastebin.com/6dsbtpZe |
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| 12:26.42 | nuscire | nvz: 'xset r rate 200 60', this is a workaround. thank you very much for your help. |
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| 12:32.43 | nvz | thinks . o O ( yeah if you do that every f'n time you start gnome-settings-daemon ) |
| 12:33.11 | nvz | not to mention its probably going to set it back everytime something triggers the daemon to realize you f'n changed it |
| 12:33.43 | nvz | though I'm not intimately familiar with gnome-settings-daemon or how it works |
| 12:33.52 | nvz | gets some Zs |
| 12:35.37 | zubin71 | hi ive been working on a python application and its a work in progress. id like to get it into the debian repositories. its currently hosted at http://github.com/zubin71/PyAutoRun . is there any place where i can find the procedure for getting it into the repo? also, any place where specifications on packaging are mentioned? |
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| 12:37.58 | d1b | zubin71: [+] OMG! major security flaw! just woke up and found out that "arr t.cpp;ls" is not good. what do i do? .... |
| 12:39.37 | zubin71 | d1b : its just in development ; i`ll take care of it today :) |
| 12:40.34 | d1b | zubin71: are you using os.system() ? |
| 12:40.58 | Wormfood | is anyone aware of a throttled filter? I just need something that accepts data on its standard input, and feeds it out to standard output at a set (fixed) rate. |
| 12:41.22 | d1b | Wormfood: sleep.... |
| 12:41.35 | zubin71 | d1b : yes; is that bad? |
| 12:41.38 | Wormfood | you clearly don't understand what I'm asking for |
| 12:41.41 | d1b | zubin71: yes |
| 12:41.44 | d1b | sort of |
| 12:42.07 | zubin71 | d1b : hmm... its understandable... i`ll find a replacement for the same |
| 12:42.07 | d1b | it depends. |
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| 12:42.26 | d1b | zubin71: look at subprocess, it is only a problem if you generate the os.system on the fly using untrusted input |
| 12:42.45 | d1b | (assuming that it could introduce problems ) |
| 12:42.52 | Wormfood | ugh! everything I can think of to search for has a million other things with the same words :( |
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| 12:47.48 | neldoreth | hello, i have a question - i need to add a shared object file into the java path, so i copied the file to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0/jre/lib/amd64 but it doesnt seem to be the right one - since i am new to debian and the directory on the other distribution i have used was just /opt/java/jre/lib/amd64 i wanted to ask if anyone could point me to the right path |
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| 12:48.56 | linduxed | where should the client place his openvpn keys? |
| 12:49.09 | d1b | linduxed: depends on the config |
| 12:49.25 | linduxed | d1b: ill load them through nm-applet |
| 12:50.11 | d1b | some where secure then i guess. |
| 12:50.21 | d1b | i haven't used nm-applet with openvpn |
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| 12:52.44 | mischief | is it a bad idea to put my user in the root group? |
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| 12:53.43 | linduxed | mischief: yes |
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| 12:54.03 | mischief | and why? |
| 12:54.06 | linduxed | mischief: use wheel for that and control it with sudo |
| 12:54.36 | linduxed | wheel is traditionally a group for privileged user |
| 12:54.55 | linduxed | also, it's good to differentiate between users and superusers |
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| 12:55.16 | mischief | well, i have anonymous ftp, and i want to put the anonymous ftp files in a group which can write the files (for adding new stuff, removing etc) |
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| 12:55.27 | rvsjoen | wonder who came up with the name 'wheel' |
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| 12:55.40 | mischief | right now the files are root:root and world readable but i dont want to log into ftp as root |
| 12:56.05 | linduxed | wait a second |
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| 12:56.13 | linduxed | what files are those? |
| 12:56.19 | mischief | what? |
| 12:56.28 | linduxed | you dont edit your system over ftp |
| 12:56.45 | linduxed | that stuff is handled over a ssh connection |
| 12:56.51 | mischief | they're just anonymous ftp files. |
| 12:57.17 | mischief | suppose i can create an upload folder for anonymous ftp and then move them as root |
| 12:57.27 | linduxed | if you want to have write access for the anon ftp server, then just make a new group, or fix the existing ftp group |
| 12:58.00 | linduxed | mischief: move them from where to where? |
| 12:58.01 | mischief | there is no ftp group. anonymous ftp users are logged in with group 'nobody' by proftpd |
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| 12:58.19 | mischief | from the upload folder to wherever they need to be |
| 12:58.26 | linduxed | mischief: ok, so you want anons to get root access to the upload folder? |
| 12:59.13 | mischief | no.. i just want a way to manage the anonymous ftp files without uploading them elsewhere then moving them, and hopefully without creating an account for it |
| 12:59.21 | mischief | if you have a better suggestion tell me |
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| 12:59.59 | zubin71 | d1b : thnkx for the suggestion ; i`ll make the changes and get back. |
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| 13:02.15 | linduxed | mischief: ok so if i've understood this correctly, there's a server that anons can connect to. you want to be able to change the folders, order of files and such in this folder. |
| 13:02.21 | linduxed | mischief: if this is correct |
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| 13:02.32 | linduxed | mischief: then just connect to the server by ssh |
| 13:02.42 | linduxed | mischief: order the stuff up |
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| 13:02.59 | mischief | i'd need to ssh as root and upload with scp/sftp then |
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| 13:03.12 | mischief | i guess the speed penalty is not too great over LAN |
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| 13:03.18 | zp | how can I dump the google's search results into one file? (I've heard smth. about json, but am not sure how to do that)? |
| 13:03.20 | politie | hello |
| 13:03.33 | linduxed | mischief: no not neccessarily as root |
| 13:03.38 | gothenburg | Is there any good pdw writer for *nix? In OO.org I can save to pdf. But if I want to print other things? |
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| 13:03.56 | mischief | linduxed, well if not root then what? we're back at square one |
| 13:03.58 | linduxed | mischief: you could specify that the upload folder can be edited by user x |
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| 13:05.03 | linduxed | mischief: just set the group ownership of the upload folder to "the-upload-folder-maintainers" |
| 13:05.16 | linduxed | mischief: or whatever you want to call that group |
| 13:05.40 | linduxed | mischief: and then if the user you connect with over ssh is in that group, you can do whatever with the folder |
| 13:05.46 | politie | how can i permenatly set a new date in my debian box? |
| 13:07.10 | rvsjoen | with date |
| 13:07.47 | politie | i tried date -s "stuff here" |
| 13:07.57 | politie | but it resets the date when i reboot |
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| 13:08.49 | rvsjoen | try hwclock then |
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| 13:08.57 | politie | ok thanks |
| 13:08.59 | rvsjoen | you have more than one OS ? |
| 13:09.06 | politie | its in vmware |
| 13:09.12 | gothenburg | vmware x) |
| 13:09.33 | gothenburg | politie: ntp is nice? |
| 13:09.39 | gothenburg | # apt-get install ntp |
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| 13:09.43 | zubin71 | d1b : is it safe to use the subprocess module for arguments generated based on user input? |
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| 13:10.11 | politie | what does it do gothenburg, im installing now |
| 13:10.14 | nader_ | hi, how can I change font & background color on console that not X running |
| 13:10.46 | gothenburg | politie: to see what programs do u can use # apt-cache show ntp |
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| 13:11.24 | gothenburg | nader_: ssh or what? |
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| 13:12.12 | nader_ | gothenburg, bash |
| 13:12.52 | rvsjoen | politie: just beware that hwclock sets the hardware clock, and will affect other systems using the same clock |
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| 13:12.58 | Bennit | hi |
| 13:13.10 | gothenburg | hii |
| 13:13.21 | Bennit | anyone know how i force debian to install libapache2-mod-php5.3 instead of 5.2? |
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| 13:14.00 | tbsaunde | morning, I've got a problem with dhcpd |
| 13:14.16 | Bennit | hmm guess i'll rather go to httpd with that question |
| 13:14.23 | tbsaunde | I have in /etc/defaults/dhpc3-serer INTERFACES="eth1" |
| 13:14.57 | gothenburg | Why is my installer stopped att 44% "partman-efi" |
| 13:15.06 | tbsaunde | but when I try to start dhcpd with eth1 it says there is no subnet configured, however there is one configured in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf |
| 13:15.38 | rvsjoen | tbsaunde: is there a configured subnet for every interface it is running on ? |
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| 13:16.44 | themill | Bennit: short answer is "don't do that". Long answer is "you need to rebuild a lot of packages to get that to work". |
| 13:16.58 | tbsaunde | rvsjoen: it should start on eth1 which there is a subnet for |
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| 13:17.11 | tbsaunde | rvsjoen: that's the only interface I tell it to run on |
| 13:18.22 | Bennit | so i can't install php5.3 on my debian? |
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| 13:19.50 | Bennit | themill: so i can't install php5.3? (sorry for double post but forgot to hilight) |
| 13:19.55 | Bennit | on my debian* |
| 13:20.20 | themill | ,versions libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:20.21 | judd | libapache2-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; squeeze: 5.2.12.dfsg.1-2; sid: 5.3.1-5 |
| 13:20.41 | Bennit | sid is the experimental one right? |
| 13:20.49 | themill | Bennit: php5.3 hasn't even made it into "testing" because it's such a buggy mess. Don't expect it to be usable any time soon. |
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| 13:25.30 | gothenburg | is this the right channel? |
| 13:27.40 | gothenburg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.54 | Bennit | is there a way to use the experimental package only for one package? |
| 13:29.04 | chrisw1 | apt pinning |
| 13:29.05 | apt | i heard pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
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| 13:30.52 | gothenburg | WHY IN THE FUCKING HELL CANT I INSTALL DEBIAN? |
| 13:31.08 | gothenburg | Configuring ATP is stuck on 43% |
| 13:33.19 | abrotman | Bennit: not really ... they're not intended for use with stable |
| 13:33.22 | themill | Bennit: don't do that. It won't work and it will make a mess of things. |
| 13:33.32 | abrotman | gothenburg: look in the error console to see what's going on |
| 13:33.38 | gothenburg | nothing |
| 13:33.40 | gothenburg | -.- |
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| 13:45.24 | gothenburg | ~$ while true; do tput clear; date +"%H:%M:%S" | figlet; done |
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| 13:45.41 | gothenburg | ~$ while true; do tput clear; date +"%H:%M:%S" | figlet; sleep 1; done |
| 13:45.44 | gothenburg | ska det va |
| 13:45.51 | Bennit | i used to be testing, but since lenny now is the stable one.. :p |
| 13:46.28 | gothenburg | lol |
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| 13:47.16 | Riviera | gothenburg: tput clear; tput civis; while sleep 1; do tput home; date '+%H:%M:%S' | figlet; done |
| 13:49.09 | mischief | is there a cli/tui interface for something like systat in openbsd... so i can see things like interrupt activity disk activity interface activity etc? |
| 13:52.01 | gothenburg | Riviera: why is that better? |
| 13:52.32 | Riviera | gothenburg: it flickers less |
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| 13:53.26 | macrobat | doesnt flicker watch -t -n1 "date +%T|figlet" |
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| 13:55.06 | adnc | on my webdav enabled lighttpd i mount via davfs a disk on a remote client. unfortunately i can mkdir, but i can not copy or move or touch any files inside the mounted davfs directory. it doesnt give any errors back and no files visible. instead it goes to lost+found. i run out of ideas. has someone had similar problems? |
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| 13:59.52 | PyroPhelia | I'm looking for a program that will tell me who's logged into my system at all times. I found whowatch which is great for letting me know who logs in via ssh or telnet but it doens't tell me anything about users who logged in via sftp or afp. is there anything that can let me know about every loggin that requires a username and password to the box? |
| 14:00.09 | gothenburg | ? |
| 14:00.15 | gothenburg | not reading /var/log/auth.log? |
| 14:00.26 | PyroPhelia | I want something that gives me a constant display |
| 14:00.39 | PyroPhelia | i'm doing 30 thigns at once, I can't constantly type cat /var/log/auth.log |
| 14:00.44 | gothenburg | "who" ? |
| 14:00.45 | PyroPhelia | that's why I like whowatch |
| 14:01.00 | PyroPhelia | again, I want something that is on my screen, something I can just glance at from times to time |
| 14:01.10 | PyroPhelia | again who is just a 1 time deal |
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| 14:03.47 | PyroPhelia | and as I said before, who only gives me info on those logged in via telnet, ssh. I need something that can give me human readable output of the authlog continuously |
| 14:04.15 | jhutchins | PyroPhelia: tail |
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| 14:05.00 | gothenburg | while true; do tput clear; who ; sleep 1; done |
| 14:05.01 | gothenburg | x) |
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| 14:06.47 | PyroPhelia | meh, if I have to build a script that is going to watch the auth log i'm going to make something with a bit more functionality than a simple loop. I was just wondering if there were any programs out there that would moniter current users, and login failures. like I said I love whowatch, but it's scope is limited |
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| 14:07.50 | Rahim | using lenny and while booting in the messages i get this mysql error "[Warning] option 'max_join_size': unsigned value 18446744073709551615 adjusted to |
| 14:07.51 | Rahim | 4294967295". What is it and how to fix it as this delays the boot time :( |
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| 14:08.17 | PyroPhelia | Rahim, do you use mysql? |
| 14:08.45 | Rahim | PyroPhelia: i dont use it as per se |
| 14:08.55 | Rahim | PyroPhelia: but some kde apps might be using it |
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| 14:09.28 | PyroPhelia | # aptitude remove mysqld |
| 14:09.45 | PyroPhelia | that's the simple fix, otherwise there is a bug in one of the init.d scripts for mysql |
| 14:10.13 | Rahim | PyroPhelia: wont that stop other apps who might be using mysqld, since i beleive mysql is important |
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| 14:11.34 | PyroPhelia | rahim, mysql is just a DB server. if you don't use it for web apps, or internal servers it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep it. It's not neccessarily a resouce hog, but having a daemon that's improperly configured can bog a system down. |
| 14:12.15 | Rahim | PyroPhelia: i beleive Nepomuk/syrigi/akonadi depends on it? as i use kde |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | except kmail uses it now or something |
| 14:12.38 | PyroPhelia | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.42 | PyroPhelia | sorry |
| 14:12.50 | Rahim | :| |
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| 14:14.03 | themill | Not in lenny it doesn't |
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| 14:14.20 | PyroPhelia | Rahim, the issue here is malformed conf script. I would look at mysqld.conf in etc and see if you can't find the variable "max_join_size" |
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| 14:15.51 | PyroPhelia | Rahim, read this http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?38,12243,13136 |
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| 14:17.15 | swerve | hi - i just upgraded mythtv on lenny and it won't start |
| 14:17.17 | badzo | hello, i have some unallocated space in my extended partition, would it be possible to create a primary partition from this unallocated space? |
| 14:17.34 | swerve | there is no error or anything, it just goes to the next line without starting |
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| 14:20.22 | jkprg | Hi. Does anybody know how to run emcast from cron as listener? It cannot run with closed stdin. |
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| 14:21.54 | rdz | hi all. how can i see the differences between the currently installed package and the one that is going to be installed by aptitutde upgrade? |
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| 14:24.42 | macrobat | see the versions with apt-cache policy |
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| 14:25.09 | macrobat | then see the changelogs on packages.debian.org |
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| 14:26.18 | Rahim | PyroPhelia: thanks for the help, though i have to read a lot and will take time, but thanks for leading me to the right direction :) |
| 14:26.40 | gothenburg | Religion är den förtryckta varelsens suck, en hjärtlös världs hjärta och själlösa omständigheters själ. Den är ett folkets opium. |
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| 14:27.35 | macrobat | gothenburg: /j #marxism.se :) |
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| 14:35.48 | das_netz | hi all |
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| 14:36.19 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.29 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.31 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.34 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.37 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.39 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.46 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
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| 14:36.48 | gothenburg | stämmer in i kören |
| 14:36.49 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.54 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:36.56 | das_netz | i have a trouble.. when shuting own, i get "mount: / is busy" message |
| 14:37.00 | PatrickVolkerdi | fuck debian |
| 14:37.20 | PatrickVolkerdi | aptitude update , takes long time |
| 14:37.21 | das_netz | i use debian stable |
| 14:37.31 | McGo | das_netz: it seems as if a process is still trying to access your device, maybe a copy process? |
| 14:37.48 | PatrickVolkerdi | themill: fuck debian |
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| 14:38.13 | linuxwookie | Hi, I am trying to install debian lenny onto a intel s5400sf board with Emedded raid.. using dmraid=true the install works fine, grub installes and when booting it sees the install but drops to initramfs with errors about my Raid drive not active |
| 14:38.18 | das_netz | McGo: no |
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| 14:38.48 | j4K0b | Could anyone tell me how many cores a debian5 64bit can handle? |
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| 14:39.38 | mguy | more than you can buy |
| 14:39.51 | otaku_coder | lol |
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| 14:41.28 | j4K0b | mguy: so AMDs new 12 (and eventually 16) core processors would work well with debian? |
| 14:42.21 | otaku_coder | hi everyone. I currently manage and maintain a few debian webservers running joomla sites. In the past I've been the sys-admin/webdev but we now have a few more recruits. I don't use FTP, just ssh key auth and SCP to transfer files but I do this as root, which is a bad habit I know.What's the best way to give webroot access to the webdevs? |
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| 14:42.56 | ngomes | hello ... my firefox is crashing me alot on sid ... how to i fallback to previous version ? |
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| 14:43.48 | linuxwookie | could someone tell me what a good raid pci-e card would be that lenny supports from install? |
| 14:44.08 | ngomes | raid pci-e ? |
| 14:44.11 | mguy | j4K0b: Sure |
| 14:44.16 | ngomes | GPU card ? |
| 14:44.46 | linuxwookie | Well, Pciexpress, and not fakeraid, but depending on price I would go fakeraid |
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| 14:44.54 | mguy | j4K0b: I have it running fine on a dual quad-xeon, which is 16 cpu' |
| 14:45.00 | mguy | (with hyperthreading on) |
| 14:45.45 | j4K0b | mguy: do you have good experience with it? |
| 14:46.00 | j4K0b | i mean with debian and many processes |
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| 14:46.10 | linuxwookie | I am using dual quads now and its stable as can be |
| 14:46.30 | mguy | j4K0b: I'd worry more about your applications being capable of using all those cores |
| 14:46.55 | j4K0b | they aren't, but the box is running alot of applications at the same time |
| 14:47.18 | mguy | Honestly 16 cores is something you would want on a virtualization setup, not a single server |
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| 14:47.41 | Fantom__ | " \"2.6.33-ghost\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2 |
| 14:47.41 | Fantom__ | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 14:47.46 | Fantom__ | does not match current version: |
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| 14:47.59 | mguy | Fantom__: Please use pastebin |
| 14:48.03 | Fantom__ | make: *** [kernel_image] Error 2 |
| 14:48.13 | Fantom__ | mguy: its a little |
| 14:48.17 | chops1 | mguy: What? Nearly all server workloads are very widely parallelizable (apache, MTA, what-have-you). |
| 14:48.28 | Fantom__ | i can't compile 2.6.33 |
| 14:48.52 | lucascarvalho | hello, my debian package folder structure is mypackage/DEBIAN/control and mypackage/opt/some/folder/and/files... so when I install the package it creates /opt/some/folder/and/files! but when I try to uninstall it using dpkg -r mypackage it tries to remove /opt as well and it is not nice! How can I a avoid it? |
| 14:49.11 | mguy | chops1: If you're at the point where you need 16 cores on your webserver you probably other scalability issues (caching/bandwith/etc) |
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| 14:49.43 | ngomes | no way to fallback a package then ? |
| 14:49.46 | themill | lucascarvalho: it only removes empty directories (as it should) |
| 14:50.05 | mguy | Poit is he can save a lot of money and get all of the performance (if not faster because a lower core count chip will probably run at a higher clock rate) by going with a cheaper dual/quad chip |
| 14:50.06 | adb | lucascarvalho, debian don't install in /opt/ |
| 14:50.06 | themill | ngomes: check the bts. This problem is described there along with a solution. |
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| 14:51.08 | chops1 | mguy: Fair point. |
| 14:51.31 | das_netz | McGo: you are right... a write process remains... |
| 14:51.57 | McGo | ;) wait until it has finished or kill it. |
| 14:52.14 | ngomes | themill: can u give me link ? |
| 14:52.27 | das_netz | McGo: thanks |
| 14:52.33 | McGo | kein problem. |
| 14:52.41 | themill | would like to think that users of sid knew how to navigate around the bts |
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| 14:52.50 | pngwn | heh |
| 14:53.26 | pngwn | next thing you'll be saying there is documentation too ;) |
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| 14:53.54 | lucascarvalho | adb it is an requirement. |
| 14:55.23 | otaku_coder | can anyone tell me if apache will still access php etc files if they are owned by another group, for example webdev instead of www-data? |
| 14:55.23 | ngomes | themill: search bugs > in package > iceweasel |
| 14:55.23 | ngomes | 0 results |
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| 14:56.42 | brownnote | @otaku_coder as long as the www-data user has the relevant permissions, it'll be fine |
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| 14:57.05 | lucascarvalho | themill: but it should never try to remove /opt/ |
| 14:57.18 | themill | lucascarvalho: /opt isn't part of any debian package. |
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| 14:57.55 | themill | !dbugs 571138 |
| 14:57.55 | chops1 | lucascarvalho: It doesn't succeed. If a package ships creating /opt and then is removed, leaving /opt empty, then IMO it _should_ remove /opt on its way out. Why doesn't that make sense? |
| 14:57.57 | themill | !dbugs 571237 |
| 14:57.58 | themill | !dbugs 571248 |
| 14:57.59 | otaku_coder | @brownnote thanks! I plan on still having www-data as user owner, but webdev as the group, with each web developer having their own ssh key to the server |
| 14:58.00 | dpkg | #571138:G[xulrunner-1.9.1] iceweasel: random crashes at page/tab close of Iceweasel and iceape (moreinfo); Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:57:01 UTC [571237 571248] |
| 14:58.00 | dpkg | #571237:G[xulrunner-1.9.1] iceweasel: Crashes on closing a tab (moreinfo); Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:33:01 UTC [571138 571248] |
| 14:58.06 | themill | ngomes: ^^ seriously.... |
| 14:59.19 | brownnote | otaku_coder: that'll be fine |
| 15:00.51 | otaku_coder | @brownnote cool. Actually do you think it's better to just have 1 shared ssh key for web devs or for one per user? |
| 15:01.11 | chops1 | otaku_coder: One per user is almost always better |
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| 15:02.02 | the-dude | one per users |
| 15:02.05 | the-dude | -s |
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| 15:03.09 | vargadanis | is it possible to 'convert' a existing and used partition to an LVM logical volume in a newly created logical group? |
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| 15:03.38 | vargadanis | so basically what I'd like to do is move my existing partition layout into LVM |
| 15:04.10 | ngomes | themill: ops , i misstyped iceweasel :D |
| 15:04.25 | ngomes | its falls back to the same problem |
| 15:04.31 | ngomes | i need to fallback cairo package |
| 15:04.39 | ngomes | dont know how to do it with package manager |
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| 15:05.26 | themill | ngomes: the man pages for dpkg, apt-get and aptitude all tell you this |
| 15:05.32 | ngomes | lol ok |
| 15:05.35 | ngomes | THANKS A LOT |
| 15:05.52 | themill | wonders why ngomes is running sid |
| 15:05.56 | klync | vargadanis: afaik, no |
| 15:06.33 | ngomes | themill: i like to be updated |
| 15:06.34 | ngomes | :) |
| 15:06.50 | chops1 | !sns |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:07.00 | themill | then learn to help yourself... sid users are expected to be able to do basic things like this |
| 15:07.04 | vargadanis | klync, thank you |
| 15:07.08 | MrWax | how can I configure a host name in debian like there is a hosts file in windows in c:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts ? |
| 15:07.22 | chops1 | MrWax: /etc/hostname |
| 15:07.25 | the-dude | MrWax: add it to /etc/hosts |
| 15:07.26 | MrWax | thx |
| 15:07.34 | vargadanis | an is it possible to mount an FS with NFS and then add it to an LVM logical group as a physical volume? |
| 15:07.38 | chops1 | MrWax: Er, yes, that one instead |
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| 15:07.43 | vargadanis | and* |
| 15:07.55 | klync | O_o |
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| 15:08.15 | MrWax | the-dude: 192.168.1.238 my.host would be ok? |
| 15:08.52 | MrWax | and how to apply this then? |
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| 15:09.37 | Titan8990_ | MrWax, host file entries are effective immediately after adding them |
| 15:09.48 | MrWax | ok |
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| 15:13.33 | the-dude | MrWax: 192.168.1.238 my.host my would be most correct |
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| 15:16.17 | edwin_quijada | I need to record text to speech into files in spanish voices |
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| 15:17.36 | edwin_quijada | I am seeing FreeTTS, Festival and Cepstral but the voice is not so goof |
| 15:17.41 | edwin_quijada | good |
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| 15:18.38 | gothenburg | make install clean |
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| 15:19.45 | edwin_quijada | Doesnt matter if the be paid |
| 15:20.05 | chops1 | Still looking at ssh against LDAP on etch... I still can't sort out where ssh gets its pam configuration from. pam_start() uses __progname, but creating the appropriate file in /etc/pam.d doesn't seem to work (doesn't lead to that file's atime being updated, at least) |
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| 15:20.48 | jelly | chops1: you mean, where sshd gets its pam config from? |
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| 15:21.21 | chops1 | jelly: Yes. I sorted it out, though. |
| 15:21.24 | jelly | therefore, /etc/pam.d/sshd |
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| 15:21.54 | chops1 | jelly: Nope, that was my mistake -- I was looking at the wrong source package (forgot I had an unstable deb-src line). In etch it's overridden to be "ssh" in debian/rules. |
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| 15:22.28 | jelly | ev1l |
| 15:22.36 | MrWax | the-dude: thanks again |
| 15:22.46 | chops1 | Yet another reason to upgrade :-/ |
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| 15:23.05 | jelly | chops1: I just strace -eopen, reading the source can be annoying |
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| 15:23.32 | chops1 | jelly: I tried strace, but for some reason it didn't help. I'm still not sure why I didn't see the open() that looked in /etc/pam.d |
| 15:23.57 | SPF | sed question: how to add something at the end of line. But the line is not allowed to contain 115200? |
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| 15:24.37 | Titan8990_ | SPF, ##sed |
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| 15:25.32 | {g} | Hey People! My Ubuntu screen went black and i cannot get it to "wake up" again. I went into a terminal by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 so I can use irc in a terminal. Any ideas how I can get back into Ubuntu? With "ps" I can see my applications are still running. I have unsaved changes so it would be very good to get back into Ubuntu an save them. |
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| 15:25.38 | chops1 | !ubuntu |
| 15:25.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:26.01 | gothenburg | ubuntu == shit |
| 15:26.10 | chops1 | !start a distro war |
| 15:26.10 | dpkg | Gentoo is responsible for global warming. |
| 15:26.23 | {g} | chops1: yeah, but people in #ubuntu only know how to configure the latest graphic cards. I thought here might be more technically interested people. |
| 15:26.37 | lnostdal | at least ubuntu gives people freedom to remove the stuff they don't want etc. |
| 15:26.49 | Titan8990_ | !they don't know |
| 15:26.49 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:26.49 | themill | {g}: the people in #ubuntu are the ones to help you |
| 15:26.54 | themill | gothenburg: that's not really helpful. |
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| 15:27.15 | {g} | dpkg: google with what browser? gnome is black... |
| 15:27.24 | jelly | gothenburg: please use #debian-offtopic for your non-support bursts |
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| 15:27.42 | Titan8990_ | {g}, dpkg is a bot |
| 15:27.55 | Fantom__ | echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo |
| 15:27.55 | Fantom__ | " \"2.6.33\" "; echo "Please correct this."; exit 2 |
| 15:28.00 | Fantom__ | WTF is that?!??! |
| 15:28.02 | Fantom__ | i don't have a problems with kernels never? |
| 15:28.06 | Fantom__ | everything it is ok |
| 15:28.10 | themill | Fantom__: stop pasting ffs. |
| 15:28.13 | {g} | ok, themill then: google with what browser? gnome is black... |
| 15:28.14 | Fantom__ | i think 2.6.33 is a buggy version like rc |
| 15:28.16 | Titan8990_ | {g}, #ubuntu should have plenty of suggestions for terminal-based browsers in your OS |
| 15:28.16 | Utopiah | hi #Debian , after trying to get supybot lastest source from apt-get I get "debian/rules:2: /usr/share/python/python.mk: No such file or directory" so... I removed that line from debian/rules in the -ds package and it seems to have compiled properly, is it risky to use that package now? |
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| 15:28.29 | jelly | SPF: /115200/n; s/$/foo/ |
| 15:28.36 | ralonso | someone recommend a good program to backup and restore of a debian system? |
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| 15:28.45 | themill | {g}: #ubuntu |
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| 15:28.50 | lnostdal | i like rsync, ralonso |
| 15:28.52 | Titan8990_ | ralonso, rsync |
| 15:29.08 | chops1 | Utopiah: Where did you get that package? I wouldn't recommend using a package with random things removed... it might work, but generally build instructions exist for some particular reason |
| 15:29.09 | leejongwook | how do i switch desktop manager ? from gnome to other |
| 15:29.09 | {g} | themill: i asked there. but people in #ubuntu are not about low level stuff really. |
| 15:29.14 | ralonso | thx |
| 15:29.28 | themill | {g}: not our problem. Now please either /part #debian or be silent |
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| 15:29.32 | Fantom__ | who can help |
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| 15:29.39 | Utopiah | chops1: just did apt-get -b source supybot |
| 15:29.41 | chops1 | {g}: Did you happen to see the part dpkg said about "Even if the channel happens to be less helpful"? |
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| 15:30.09 | chops1 | Utopiah: Is it from the same distribution/version you're running? If it fails to build from source you should file a FTBFS bug if one doesn't already exist. |
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| 15:30.31 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 15:30.35 | themill | Utopiah: with the amount that python build-deps and python packaging has changed recently, that's nor surprising |
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| 15:31.36 | themill | chops1: that's not a ftbfs, that's a fail to backport... it builds just fine in sid |
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| 15:31.42 | the-dude | Fantom__: google with lynx :) |
| 15:31.55 | Fantom__ | google what |
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| 15:32.15 | {g} | makes note to himself: if you want to talkt to people in #debian dont tell them you use ubuntu... |
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| 15:32.46 | Utopiah | chops1: hmmm actually maybe my /etc/apt/sources.list includes deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main in addition to deb-src http://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ lenny main (think I required it for bitlbee recent patch) |
| 15:32.47 | themill | {g}: umm... there are enough differences that we'll work it out soon enough and then when it's an ubuntu-specific problem we'll be even more annoyed at you wasting our time |
| 15:32.57 | cahoot | {g}: it usually gets obvious anyway |
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| 15:33.17 | chops1 | Utopiah: Right, there's your problem. Get the source for the version that matches your system. |
| 15:33.30 | swerve | anyone else having a bug problem with mythweb 0.22? |
| 15:33.31 | Utopiah | yes, just figure that out by checking it, thanks, trying |
| 15:33.47 | {g} | Oh! Now EXACTLY the same problem happened on my Debian machine! Any ideas, guys? |
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| 15:34.02 | themill | {g}: #ubuntu please |
| 15:34.37 | ralonso | uhm, and to create a backup-mirror of HD? |
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| 15:36.05 | gothenburg | How many doesn't install only "base system" ? |
| 15:36.17 | gothenburg | and install DE from installer |
| 15:37.18 | Utopiah | chops1: if I remove the sid source then I get the previous version which is the one Im already using |
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| 15:39.13 | chops1 | Utopiah: What are you trying to do? |
| 15:39.14 | majk | Hello. I have specific question about diskless and PXE. I'm trying to boot diskless machine (no nfs or hard/flash/cdrom drive), where initrd are cpio/gzipped data of debian/lenny installation. I boot this initrd via PXE. What I need is to continue with initramfs as real-root-fs...I'm tryig to get it to work, but finally I always get kernel panic for init :( |
| 15:39.52 | themill | Utopiah: just compare the package contents for the original debian package and the one you just made. If the files are in the right places, it will probably work just fine. |
| 15:39.53 | majk | is it possible to have continue with initramfs as rootfs ? |
| 15:40.04 | majk | s/have/ |
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| 15:40.44 | Utopiah | chops1: updating Supybot from Supybot-0.83.3 (already in my lenny) to the latest Supybot-0.83.4.1 (not available as a lenny package) |
| 15:40.53 | chops1 | Utopiah: Why are you doing that? |
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| 15:41.24 | Utopiah | because it has a functionnality that I need according to the changelog |
| 15:41.42 | chops1 | Utopiah: What functionality is that? |
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| 15:41.58 | Utopiah | logging per channel rather than having to log either everything or nothing |
| 15:41.58 | chops1 | Utopiah: (I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass, I'm just trying to get a handle on what other approaches you might use) |
| 15:42.29 | Utopiah | even if you were trying to be a pain in the ass you are doing it politely so it would be ok ;) |
| 15:42.32 | themill | Utopiah: personally, I'd just not worry about that feature |
| 15:42.57 | vargadanis | is it possible to decrease the default TTY number in debian 5? |
| 15:43.09 | Utopiah | themill: right, to be honest I prefer not to update when I can ;) Im spending time on this because I need it |
| 15:43.35 | themill | Utopiah: what happens if you symlink the channel log file to /dev/null ... |
| 15:43.46 | jelly | vargadanis: do you mean, not run getty/login on 6 virtual consoles but less? |
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| 15:44.11 | chops1 | Utopiah: Huh... I'd recommend going with the previous solution to compare the packages and see what might be missing from your new package, and then try it and see |
| 15:44.17 | Utopiah | right... I could also crontab rm /path/logfile ... you guys are dirty :P |
| 15:44.27 | Utopiah | (but I might have to do that) |
| 15:44.42 | chops1 | Utopiah: Oh, yeah, if there's a way to bodge around it like the for now I'd recommend that |
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| 15:44.46 | jelly | vargadanis: if that's what you mean, comment them out in /etc/inittab and run "telinit q" to reload the file |
| 15:44.47 | themill | Utopiah: your package is probably quite fine, as I said compare the contents of the two packages and test it. |
| 15:44.53 | vargadanis | jelly, yes... I never use 6.. 2 at most would be enough |
| 15:44.57 | chops1 | Utopiah: (That way you'll keep getting security updates and such too) |
| 15:45.04 | vargadanis | jelly, thank you |
| 15:45.12 | themill | Utopiah: but the hassle of backporting probably isn't worth it |
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| 15:45.22 | jelly | vargadanis: 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 <--- comment 3-6 |
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| 15:46.03 | Utopiah | yes... I kind of had few tries with backport and (especially not being an expert) it becomes really tricky, walking on the edge of the razor, ready to fall in dependency hell anytime :-# |
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| 15:46.30 | chops1 | Utopiah: When it works easily it's great. When dpkg-buildpackage doesn't immediately work it's usually time to think of something else (in my experience). |
| 15:47.28 | jelly | Utopiah: versioned build dependencies can often be replaced by versions from your installed release |
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| 15:47.39 | vargadanis | jelly, can't comment out 6 cause that is needed for reboot? O_o |
| 15:47.43 | fark | I'm having a slight problem with X.org not loading, log: http://tinyurl.com/yko5ekp any ideas? |
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| 15:48.15 | jelly | vargadanis: the line starting with "6:" isn't needed for reboot |
| 15:48.30 | chops1 | !ops fark porn spam |
| 15:48.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: chops1 complains about: fark porn spam |
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| 15:48.52 | vargadanis | jelly, oops I commented out the runlevels and not the terminals hehe |
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| 15:49.52 | lxsameer | how can i build just a part of kernel for running kernel ? |
| 15:50.06 | chops1 | lxsameer: You mean a module? |
| 15:50.20 | lxsameer | chops1: yeah |
| 15:50.33 | joel_ | Hi, i'm trying to install debian lenny in a Dell R210 server, but its cdrom drive is a SATA TSSTcorp CD/DVD and Debian installer does not recognize it. |
| 15:50.46 | chops1 | lxsameer: Generally you install the linux-headers package for your running kernel and then just hit compile. |
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| 15:50.57 | chops1 | lxsameer: The exact details vary depending on what module you're compiling, though |
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| 15:51.19 | vargadanis | processes that start with a k should be left alone, right? such as kacpid |
| 15:51.22 | Utopiah | maybe I could just built the tarball and run the bot from there, I mean it's just for 1 user and I dont have dependencies on it... |
| 15:51.39 | chops1 | vargadanis: All processes that run as root that you're not sure about should be left alone :-) |
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| 15:52.16 | vargadanis | lol ok :) |
| 15:52.19 | lxsameer | chops1: i have to compile some of modules but i want my debian kernel work for me also , so i can install some of my drivers from repo |
| 15:52.23 | chops1 | Utopiah: That's another feasible alternative (see also GNU stow for a nice way to install it managably) |
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| 15:52.34 | Utopiah | is checking GNU stow |
| 15:52.38 | vargadanis | well my debian uses 24MB memory ATM with only an sshd running on it.. I guess that is acceptable |
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| 15:54.30 | joel_ | anybody' |
| 15:55.27 | Titan8990_ | joel_, can you get the pciid of the sata controller? |
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| 15:56.12 | joel_ | Titan8990_, dunno, i just booted up with my cd and then it says it does not detect any cdrom drive, and ask me if i want to provide them using an external device |
| 15:56.35 | lxsameer | how can i get dependencies of a application that is not a deb package |
| 15:56.48 | Titan8990_ | joel_, hit ctrl+alt+2, do to a console, check if there is the lspci utility (I don't recall) |
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| 15:57.18 | Titan8990_ | lxsameer, you mean... such as a source tarball? |
| 15:57.27 | karme | lxsameer: make it one ;-) |
| 15:57.53 | lxsameer | Titan8990_: yeah |
| 15:58.27 | Titan8990_ | lxsameer, you manually install the depends via aptitude. depends should be listed in the INSTALL or README file of the source |
| 15:58.31 | karlpinc | Titan8990_: That'd be ctrl-alt-f2, eh? |
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| 15:58.49 | chops1 | lxsameer: Or you could cheat and use apt-get build-dep on the sid version :-) |
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| 15:58.59 | Titan8990_ | lxsameer, if you have to manually compile dependencies, you should think again about installing the application |
| 15:59.00 | chops1 | lxsameer: Following the INSTALL is generally a safer way though |
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| 15:59.16 | Titan8990_ | karlpinc, ehh, yep |
| 15:59.44 | lxsameer | Titan8990_: there is no INSTALL , i try to install nvidia driver but it field |
| 16:00.06 | chops1 | lxsameer: There's a Debian way to install nvidia drivers; you'll save yourself a lot of pain if you use it |
| 16:00.11 | chops1 | !tell lxsameer about nvidia |
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| 16:00.56 | lxsameer | chops1: i see but it need debian build kernel so i have to use my own because of driver issue |
| 16:01.30 | chops1 | lxsameer: Oh, well then you're on your own then. What's the driver issue? I've had driver issues which I solved while still using Debian kernels (sometimes a backport of a newer kernel) |
| 16:01.31 | Titan8990_ | lxsameer, no... you didn't read enough of the guide, which include building against manually compiled kernels |
| 16:01.32 | joel_ | Titan8990_, i don't see any mention to SATA when doing 'lspci' |
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| 16:01.46 | Titan8990_ | lxsameer, and most likely, you just need the backports kernel, not a manually compiled one |
| 16:02.04 | Titan8990_ | joel_, ata/ide? |
| 16:02.25 | lxsameer | Titan8990_: so can you guide me or give me some link |
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| 16:02.48 | lxsameer | chops1: wireless driver and cpu family and some other option |
| 16:02.54 | joel_ | Titan8990_, nothing.. |
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| 16:03.14 | chops1 | lxsameer: CPU family? That's not worth having a hand-compiled kernel for. What do you need for the wireless driver? Just a newer kernel? |
| 16:03.51 | Titan8990_ | lxsameer, it sounds like you are used to do things manually from some other distro... you should try to do things the debian way |
| 16:04.12 | Titan8990_ | joel_, I would just give the kmuto installer a try |
| 16:04.19 | Titan8990_ | !tell joel_ about kmuto |
| 16:04.20 | lxsameer | Titan8990_: so guide me please |
| 16:04.31 | lxsameer | chops1: newer xeon |
| 16:04.40 | lxsameer | chops1: intel 3495 |
| 16:04.46 | Titan8990_ | !tell lxsameer about invidia |
| 16:04.54 | Titan8990_ | !tell lxsameer about 3495 |
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| 16:04.59 | chops1 | lxsameer: We are guiding you -- we're showing you the documentation :-). |
| 16:05.00 | Titan8990_ | fail... |
| 16:05.04 | jelly | Titan8990_: wtf is 3495 |
| 16:05.08 | Titan8990_ | !tell lxsameer about nvidia |
| 16:05.19 | chops1 | lxsameer: Or do you want me to type it for you line by line into the chat window? |
| 16:05.19 | Titan8990_ | jelly, i thought it had a specific one for it... iwlwifi, right? |
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| 16:05.27 | lxsameer | chops1: which documentation exactly |
| 16:05.30 | gothenburg | hmm |
| 16:05.32 | jelly | dpkg: listvals 3945 |
| 16:05.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945' by value (3): iwlwifi ;; ipw3945-fu #del# ;; ipw3945 reload #del#. |
| 16:05.36 | lxsameer | chops1: :P |
| 16:05.40 | Titan8990_ | !tell lxsameer about iwlwifi |
| 16:05.47 | gothenburg | debian says that I should reboot. But I can't find any new kernel when I reboot |
| 16:06.09 | chops1 | lxsameer: The nvidia compilation guide and the factoid Titan8990_ just sent you |
| 16:06.35 | Titan8990_ | gothenburg, thats normal, it does not leave multiple kernel versions, just makes a backup of the old one |
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| 16:07.17 | chops1 | Also, I am still suffering from ssh troubles. I've recompiled openssh overriding SSHD_PAM_SERVICE, but it still loads /etc/pam.d/ssh, and I can't see why. |
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| 16:07.33 | gothenburg | Titan8990_: but then it is not a new kernel... |
| 16:07.37 | gothenburg | and I cant upgrade |
| 16:07.38 | gothenburg | -.- |
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| 16:08.19 | z330 | hey guys im working on a game in flash that will using a lot of php on the server side it will be trigger the php via http whats the fastest web server that supports php 5 |
| 16:08.37 | gothenburg | lighttpd |
| 16:08.46 | jelly | gothenburg: do you have that newer kernel installed? If yes, is it listed in the boot loaders configuration? If it's not and you're using grub, run update-grub. |
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| 16:08.55 | z330 | what about nginx |
| 16:09.03 | z330 | is it faster then light? |
| 16:09.15 | gothenburg | lighttpd uses php5-cgi |
| 16:09.18 | gothenburg | so idk |
| 16:09.20 | whizz | noting is faster than light |
| 16:09.49 | joltcan | :) |
| 16:09.55 | gothenburg | jelly: thanks. update-grub solved it |
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| 16:10.12 | gothenburg | but why didn't it say that from the beginning? |
| 16:10.20 | joltcan | z330: I looked at nginx, but it's very hard to find information for more funky configurations or even great community support |
| 16:10.37 | joltcan | z330: But that was some time ago, but just that made lighttpd be the choise for me |
| 16:10.54 | z330 | is the lighthttpd memory leek fixed yet? |
| 16:10.56 | gothenburg | now I got kernel panic isntead -.- |
| 16:11.05 | z330 | As of August 2009, lighttpd still has unsolved memory leaks issues reported 3 years ago.[2] |
| 16:11.14 | jelly | gothenburg: that's what we call PROGRESS |
| 16:11.35 | joltcan | z330: No idea, never had any problems on a 50k hits per day site with lighttpd and php |
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| 16:14.32 | gothenburg | installing linux now |
| 16:14.43 | gothenburg | so hope it works |
| 16:15.03 | whizz | I just did a aptitude update, followed by an upgrade, it apparently also updated (to) linux-image-2.6.26-2-686, should I reboot? |
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| 16:15.40 | gothenburg | whizz: yes |
| 16:15.46 | whizz | and if so, why doens't it say that (anymore)? |
| 16:15.54 | gothenburg | what? |
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| 16:16.14 | whizz | aptitude used to tell me to reboot after updating the kernel |
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| 16:16.39 | whizz | but it doensn't anymore? |
| 16:16.51 | Utopiah | damned... when I recompile the tarball the version number is of the older version... wth |
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| 16:16.51 | gothenburg | interesting |
| 16:16.54 | talin | hello. i just moved a debian virtual machine from one host to another... now when i boot, it says that it can't find sda... if i boot from a rescue cd, i find sda and it mounts without problems. any idea what i can do to fix it? |
| 16:17.04 | gothenburg | installed linux and now it works |
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| 16:18.50 | whizz | well, I guess I'll reboot my server then |
| 16:18.54 | whizz | brb ;) |
| 16:18.59 | whizz | (I hope) |
| 16:19.00 | whizz | :P |
| 16:19.13 | Utopiah | ok, a bug from supybot distribution files, Im not getting crazy (yes, bit by bit I get happier from less and less important progresses ;) |
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| 16:20.46 | yow | nvz, themill & simonrvn: im going to log off and shutdown my computer now but will continue tomorrow. thx again for your help. take care & bye. have a good day everyone :) |
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| 16:23.07 | gothenburg | should I install gdm or slim? |
| 16:23.25 | jelly | gothenburg: yes. |
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| 16:23.45 | Titan8990_ | gothenburg, maybe. |
| 16:23.58 | gothenburg | but slim or gdm? |
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| 16:24.40 | jhutchins_lt | gothenburg: What desktop are you running? |
| 16:24.52 | gothenburg | nothing at the moment |
| 16:25.02 | gothenburg | but I'll install xfce4 and awesome |
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| 16:26.51 | gothenburg | then it was slim |
| 16:27.18 | jelly | !polls |
| 16:27.18 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 16:27.48 | jelly | !popcon |
| 16:27.49 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 16:27.51 | Titan8990_ | gothenburg, thats entirely preference and we can't really tell you which to choose |
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| 16:28.15 | Titan8990_ | i personally prefer no login manager |
| 16:28.24 | gothenburg | me 2 |
| 16:28.25 | jelly | judd: popcon slim |
| 16:28.27 | judd | Popcon data for slim: inst: 383, vote: 194, old: 115, recent: 74, nofiles: 0 |
| 16:28.30 | jelly | judd: popcon gdm |
| 16:28.31 | judd | Popcon data for gdm: inst: 38186, vote: 27075, old: 8766, recent: 2340, nofiles: 5 |
| 16:28.46 | Utopiah | thanks chops1 jelly and themill |
| 16:28.52 | format_c | what is slim? |
| 16:29.01 | gothenburg | login manager |
| 16:29.21 | jelly | judd: whatprovides x-display-manager |
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| 16:29.32 | gothenburg | x) |
| 16:29.35 | judd | x-display-manager in lenny/i386 is provided by: gdm, kdm, slim, wdm, xdm. |
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| 16:30.18 | themill | still prefers "rprovides" over "whatprovides" :þ |
| 16:30.34 | Titan8990_ | thats interesting command |
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| 16:30.42 | gothenburg | wdm? |
| 16:30.44 | Titan8990_ | judd, rprovides editor |
| 16:30.46 | judd | editor in lenny/i386 is provided by: cream, emacs, aee, edbrowse, elvis-console, elvis, emacs21-nox, emacs21, emacs22-gtk, emacs22-nox, emacs22, jed, xjed, jove, xjove, le, levee, mg, nano-tiny, nano, vigor, vile, xvile, vim-gnome, vim-gtk, vim-lesstif, vim-nox, vim-tiny, vim. |
| 16:30.53 | themill | ,@help rprovides |
| 16:30.54 | jelly | aee! |
| 16:30.57 | themill | ,help rprovides |
| 16:30.57 | judd | (rprovides <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the packages that 'Provide' the specified virtual package ('reverse provides'). By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
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| 16:31.26 | jelly | srsly, there's a tiny version of _nano_? |
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| 16:31.43 | gothenburg | jelly: rprovides x-display-manager |
| 16:31.49 | format_c | slim looks nice. Will try this. Didn't know about it. |
| 16:31.51 | gothenburg | :( |
| 16:31.52 | themill | ,info nano |
| 16:31.53 | judd | nano (editors, important): free Pico clone with some new features. Version: 2.0.7-4; Size: 573.1k; Installed: 1716k; Homepage: http://www.nano-editor.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/nano |
| 16:31.54 | themill | ,info nano-tiny |
| 16:31.55 | judd | nano-tiny (editors, optional): free Pico clone with some new features - tiny build. Version: 2.0.7-4; Size: 160.8k; Installed: 256k; Homepage: http://www.nano-editor.org/ |
| 16:31.56 | jelly | gothenburg: PARSE ERROR |
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| 16:32.01 | gothenburg | jelly: :D |
| 16:32.08 | themill | jelly: yep... saves you 1.6MB of disk space to boot |
| 16:32.20 | Titan8990_ | nice description on what makes tiny different feature wise.... |
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| 16:32.37 | leejongwook | Debian/Linux, Debian GNU/Linux, GNU Debian/Linux, what's the right one ? |
| 16:32.38 | jelly | themill: we _need_ popcon foo vs bar :-D |
| 16:32.41 | themill | Titan8990_: there is still the long description, of course |
| 16:32.48 | themill | dpkg: tell jelly about bad polls |
| 16:32.49 | Titan8990_ | it not like full nano has more than a handful of commands to begin with |
| 16:32.50 | themill | !? |
| 16:32.53 | gothenburg | Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 16:32.59 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 16:33.23 | leejongwook | just Debian ? |
| 16:33.27 | jelly | leejongwook: the right one, is, naturally, Ubuntu |
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| 16:33.37 | leejongwook | @_@ |
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| 16:33.58 | Titan8990_ | themill, long description just says "This package contains a minimal build of GNU nano, aimed for use in |
| 16:33.58 | Titan8990_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.59 | leejongwook | :( |
| 16:34.08 | jimcooncat | I would say just Debian -- but now you've got Linux and FreeBSD, god knows what else is in the works |
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| 16:34.22 | themill | Titan8990_: see... useful! |
| 16:34.24 | jelly | and hurd's still in |
| 16:35.21 | Titan8990_ | yeah, hurd could be ready for testing within the next 25-50 years |
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| 16:38.02 | gothenburg | xD |
| 16:38.16 | vargadanis | i have accidentally removed the config files directory of a package and reinstalling the package after remove doesn't put the config files back. Eg: removed /etc/bind dir. apt-get remove bind9 && apt-get install bind9 doesn't help, any tips |
| 16:38.17 | vargadanis | ? |
| 16:38.25 | Titan8990_ | !confmiss |
| 16:38.25 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 16:39.12 | yareckon | hm.. one learns something every day |
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| 16:41.15 | mallxs | Hi i'm using a box with 5 eth cards as a router .. what would be nice command to check the trou put |
| 16:41.17 | vargadanis | thanks Titan8990_ |
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| 16:45.11 | ascendant | hi guys, i'm a troll, so kick me if you want |
| 16:45.40 | ascendant | if not, i've come to the conclusion, based on personal experience that debian is terrible for desktop linux, and gentoo is inherently superior |
| 16:45.55 | pierre_le | is there a command to "optimize" the dpkg database? |
| 16:46.19 | jelly | pierre_le: it's not a database, it's a bunch of text files! |
| 16:46.37 | DogBoy | text files are databases too |
| 16:46.43 | jelly | o.O |
| 16:46.46 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 16:47.08 | ascendant | this, coming from my project to turn an xbox into a torrent box; based on what i learned about debian, i thought it would be better suited to the task, but i was definitively wrong |
| 16:47.11 | yareckon | join #$DISTRO1 |
| 16:47.20 | pierre_le | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.45 | yareckon | echo if not, i've come to the conclusion, based on personal experience that $DISTRO1 is terrible for desktop linux, and $DISTRO2 is inherently superior |
| 16:47.46 | jelly | pierre_le: anything is possible with software! |
| 16:47.55 | DogBoy | ascendant, so go use it and stop trolling |
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| 16:48.21 | ascendant | lol, k. yareckon: i disagree |
| 16:48.25 | ascendant | bye guys |
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| 16:48.42 | pierre_le | i feel easy with sqlite and db in general. i'm going to write history! |
| 16:49.23 | jelly | pierre_le: good luck (and I mean it; dpkg and apt could use speed optimization) |
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| 16:49.51 | pierre_le | after all it's just some kind of tree |
| 16:50.18 | pierre_le | with group must i jon if i want to write and submit a sql backend to apt? |
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| 16:50.26 | pierre_le | jon=join |
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| 16:50.54 | micols | anybody remember if i have to re-encrypt my LUKS device if i luksextend it, i.e. i add 100GB to my 70GB luks volume, or does it reencrypt when i add new files? |
| 16:50.54 | pierre_le | with= which |
| 16:50.57 | micols | or do i have to add random data to the end of the new partition |
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| 16:51.40 | Titan8990_ | pierre_le, looks like this mailing list would be a good place to start: http://lists.debian.org/deity/ |
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| 16:51.42 | micols | best would be to random > new disk added before luksextending right? |
| 16:51.54 | micols | so people won't know where my real data is |
| 16:52.21 | micols | luks is security+obscurity :P |
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| 16:55.40 | pierre_le | /var/lib/dpkg is 66MB, text only |
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| 16:57.36 | themill | pierre_le: you should exclude /var/lib/dpkg/info/ from that. They are maintainer scripts that probably don't really make sense to live in a database. |
| 16:58.29 | pierre_le | ok i see. but there are still 10MB left in a couple of text files |
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| 16:58.53 | pierre_le | avalaible and status |
| 16:58.53 | themill | pierre_le: halve that as there are backups there too. |
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| 16:59.46 | pierre_le | "avalaible" file is 41k lines |
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| 17:00.28 | themill | pierre_le: the idea of a binary db is a good one for speed, but you will probably struggle to find people who are interested in doing this as the problems that occur when the db gets corrupted are just horrendous. Ask rpm users about this. And neither BDB nor sqlite have a great reputation for coping with upgrades between versions and not hosing your database. |
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| 17:01.56 | pierre_le | sqlite file format is not suject to heavy change from now. and a text dump version can be kept in case of db panic, for a repair/reimport |
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| 17:03.22 | pierre_le | i'm definitly planning to write a sqlite backend |
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| 17:05.01 | gothenburg | 1.3 GB and everything |
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| 17:05.17 | pierre_le | at least to boost perf when searching the cache for stuff through apt-cache or synaptic |
| 17:05.29 | pmo | hi, does any had any hand on a X4 620 on linux ? |
| 17:05.48 | Titan8990_ | pmo, X4 620? is that cpu? |
| 17:05.57 | pmo | Titan8990_, yep |
| 17:06.19 | pmo | Titan8990_, i found something curious.. reading cpuinfo output |
| 17:06.28 | pmo | odd=curious |
| 17:06.37 | Titan8990_ | what is that? |
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| 17:06.51 | pmo | Titan8990_, first core is .. something like 2.6 Ghz.. and all others.. 800Mhz |
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| 17:06.54 | themill | pierre_le: coordinate with the team working on it to see what they already have done towards this. http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg |
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| 17:07.23 | pierre_le | themill, k i'm subscribing. but before any post i will read some miles of code |
| 17:07.27 | gothenburg | Haha, installed Debian. with slim, alsa, xfce, mplayer, firefox and awesome the size is 1.3GB. Only my Win XP folder is 4.3GB.. |
| 17:07.45 | themill | pierre_le: mailing list archives will presumably find discussions on this point already. |
| 17:07.46 | pierre_le | need to understand the package hierarchy |
| 17:07.52 | Titan8990_ | pmo, likely frequency scaling... max usage on all the cores and check again |
| 17:08.35 | pmo | Titan8990_, well i dont have one.. :) but saw cpuinfo reports on the web.. but sure.. scaling might be the answer.. :) |
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| 17:09.47 | pmo | Titan8990_, i just wondered if it could be some of those tricks, manufacturers use to sell chips.. looking top noch, with low level design |
| 17:09.55 | yareckon | anyone know the most standard way of installing php pecl extensions in debian |
| 17:09.58 | yareckon | ? |
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| 17:10.47 | Titan8990_ | yareckon, aptitude install php5-radius |
| 17:10.54 | pmo | Titan8990_, but i hope / guess.. your answer is the right one, even if i used to be suspicious.. when you get top noch chip.. for low price :) |
| 17:11.06 | Titan8990_ | yareckon, going by the package description |
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| 17:11.15 | otaku_coder | does anyone know how you can stop users from getting to the root directory of a folder? |
| 17:11.36 | pmo | otaku_coder, usually part of /etc/passwd setup |
| 17:12.01 | Titan8990_ | otaku_coder, take away their execute perms on that dir? |
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| 17:12.15 | raz | how do i prevent debian from auto-starting services after installation? |
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| 17:12.21 | otaku_coder | pmo, ah so just a shell switch defined in etc/passwd? |
| 17:12.22 | pjz | is it safe to upgrade my etch dom0 to lenny? |
| 17:12.26 | Titan8990_ | raz, man update-rc.d |
| 17:12.28 | raz | (what kind of horrible idea is that anyways) |
| 17:12.41 | pmo | otaku_coder, there is a field to fill in /etc/passwd to tell the system where user must go |
| 17:12.44 | raz | Titan8990_: no, not at boot-time. i mean right after apt-get install |
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| 17:13.15 | otaku_coder | pmo: I will check that out. Thanks |
| 17:13.32 | raz | whoever came up with the idea to start a service right after install in whatever default config it ships with? |
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| 17:14.41 | pmo | Titan8990_, thanks ;-) bye |
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| 17:14.55 | sphenxes | i have bought a new computer with mother board Asrock H55. Lenny doesn't recognize the audio, the speaker is mute. Where or how can i let my speaker work? |
| 17:15.10 | talin | hello. where can i find some instructions on how to boot from rescue cd and chroot properly... with mounting /proc /dev etc |
| 17:15.14 | Titan8990_ | sphenxes, is your user a member of the audio group? |
| 17:15.15 | yareckon | Titan8990_, thanks for the help |
| 17:15.22 | Titan8990_ | yareckon, np |
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| 17:15.48 | sphenxes | Titan8990_, i will take a look at it. thanks |
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| 17:16.24 | otaku_coder | pmo: actually, is there a way to define that setting on a group rather than individual users? |
| 17:16.32 | Titan8990_ | talin, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=6 |
| 17:16.39 | talin | Titan8990_: thank you |
| 17:17.33 | Titan8990_ | talin, np, mounting the disks is two pages back if you need help with that as well |
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| 17:17.50 | talin | Titan8990_: i just did mount /dev/sda /mnt, and that worked |
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| 17:17.56 | talin | Titan8990_: sda1, perhaps that was |
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| 17:17.59 | Juha_ | i need to increase fd_setsize how to do that? |
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| 17:18.50 | mistrynitesh | how can I access an ext4 partition in lenny? |
| 17:18.55 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, #c or #c++ is probably what your looking for |
| 17:19.06 | Juha_ | Titan8990_ NO IT'S NOT |
| 17:19.13 | Juha_ | it's about debian system. |
| 17:19.43 | gothenburg | !lxde |
| 17:19.43 | dpkg | i heard lxde is Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:19.47 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, my quick search showed FD_SETSIZE being part of the GNU C library |
| 17:19.53 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:20.03 | Juha_ | trying to start unrealircd. |
| 17:20.24 | mistrynitesh | !ext4 |
| 17:20.25 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:21.06 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, you will likely want the kernel from lenny-backports for working with ext4 |
| 17:21.20 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, is that something you compiled manually? |
| 17:21.25 | Juha_ | no |
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| 17:22.02 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, it doesn't appear to be in debian stable |
| 17:22.33 | mistrynitesh | Titan8990_: but wouldn't that mean getting upgrades for all other apps? |
| 17:22.42 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, no |
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| 17:22.48 | Titan8990_ | !tell mistrynitesh about bpo |
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| 17:23.11 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, backports will have a lower apt priority |
| 17:23.16 | Juha_ | #define __FD_SETSIZE 1024 |
| 17:23.26 | Juha_ | after i've edited that do i have to do someht |
| 17:23.53 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, right... thats C source code that needs to be compiled |
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| 17:24.35 | Titan8990_ | Juha_, does this irc daemon provide some type of features that the irc daemons packaged for debian do not? |
| 17:24.38 | talin | is there a way to check what filesystem a partition is formatted with? |
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| 17:25.12 | AimHere | Wouldn't pointing a partition editor at the drive tell you? |
| 17:25.13 | Juha_ | that's part of the system |
| 17:25.20 | Juha_ | how do i "compile" that? |
| 17:25.23 | Juha_ | i need to get it bigger |
| 17:26.01 | AimHere | Even fdisk /dev/hdwhatever then 'p' should get a list of what partitions are on the device |
| 17:26.10 | talin | AimHere: it says System "Extended", but nothing about FS |
| 17:26.21 | talin | AimHere: Linux, Extended and Linux Swap... |
| 17:26.43 | Titan8990_ | talin, extended is like a container that has logical partitions |
| 17:26.57 | Titan8990_ | talin, so an extended partition is not formatted to a filesystem... its just extended |
| 17:27.05 | talin | Titan8990_: right. but i can mount it though |
| 17:27.09 | mistrynitesh | Titan8990_: ok... and which packages do I install after adding backports repo? |
| 17:27.13 | Titan8990_ | talin, and you should not be able to |
| 17:27.26 | Titan8990_ | talin, you should be able to mount the logical partitions that make up the extended |
| 17:28.08 | talin | Titan8990_: hmm, how do i know what can be mounted inside an extended partition? |
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| 17:29.28 | Titan8990_ | talin, device names > 4 e.g. sda5 are logical partitions |
| 17:30.14 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, this should do it: `aptitude -t lenny-backports linux-image-686` |
| 17:30.23 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, replace 686 with your arch type if its different |
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| 17:30.40 | mistrynitesh | Titan8990_: great |
| 17:30.59 | talin | Titan8990_: yes, but what devices named are inside my extended partition? |
| 17:31.00 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, sorry: `aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686` |
| 17:31.05 | Titan8990_ | mistrynitesh, left out install |
| 17:31.24 | pjz | is it safe to upgrade my etch dom0 to lenny? |
| 17:31.27 | Titan8990_ | talin, you can only have one extended partition so any logical partitions you have are in that extended space |
| 17:31.41 | jelly | talin: all the "logical" partitions are inside the extended one |
| 17:31.45 | Titan8990_ | !tell pjz about etch->lenny |
| 17:31.58 | jelly | pjz: we don't really know. |
| 17:32.35 | talin | Titan8990_, jelly: i want to mount all partitions so i can chroot. how do i find the names of all of them, when they are inside extended? |
| 17:32.36 | pjz | jelly: no one has upgraded an etch xen dom0 to lenny? |
| 17:32.38 | jelly | !tell pjz about xen |
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| 17:32.56 | mistrynitesh | Titan8990_: i figured it out, thanks |
| 17:32.58 | jelly | pjz: try asking in that channel |
| 17:33.02 | pjz | jelly: ah, okay, will do. thanks! |
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| 17:33.35 | jelly | talin: you don't need to worry about the extended partition at all. |
| 17:33.44 | talin | ah, oki :) i only have sda1 hten |
| 17:33.57 | jelly | talin: find your root, look at etc/fstab, look at "blkid" output |
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| 17:36.22 | talin | do i need to mount /sys? |
| 17:36.31 | talin | i did mount /dev and /proc now |
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| 17:39.25 | gothenburg | I've got a new DE and love it lxde |
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| 17:41.30 | jelly | gothenburg: please only ask support questions or provide support in here; for chatter, use #debian-offtopic |
| 17:41.30 | fdfr | hi all, i found out browsing is faster if adding a search entry in resolv.conf (found it with nslookup) but the thing is i have my network configured with dhcp, can i receive an ip, gateway and all using dhcp but leave /etc/resolv.conf untouched? |
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| 17:41.57 | themill | dpkg: tell fdfr about override dns |
| 17:42.45 | talin | is there a way to exit from chroot and go back to copy the contents of a mounted cd into where i was chrooted and then go back to chroot? |
| 17:43.03 | gothenburg | jelly: tjöta |
| 17:43.21 | Titan8990_ | talin, just start a new session in a different TTY |
| 17:43.39 | Titan8990_ | talin, no need to leave the chroot |
| 17:43.49 | talin | Titan8990_: ah, great :) thank you again |
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| 17:44.23 | amikrop | Hello. Has something changes with Firefox and non-free branding? |
| 17:44.26 | amikrop | * changed |
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| 17:45.22 | fdfr | themill, thanks , so domain-name-servers is what i have now i resolv.conf and domain-name is what i want it to search? |
| 17:45.59 | Titan8990_ | amikrop, yeah, years ago debian was told they could no longer call it firefox if the removed non-free icons |
| 17:46.03 | Titan8990_ | !why iceweasel |
| 17:46.03 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 17:46.31 | amikrop | No, I mean like yesterday. |
| 17:46.36 | fdfr | themill, or is it domain-search |
| 17:46.38 | amikrop | Did they make the icons free? |
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| 17:47.15 | themill | fdfr: not sure, never done it myself. check man 5 dhcp-options |
| 17:47.19 | fdfr | themill, do i need to remove from "request" entry in dhclient.conf domain-search and domain-name-servers? |
| 17:47.20 | Wormfood | is there any easy way to make a file smaller, WITHOUT copying it? I just want to truncate it |
| 17:47.30 | jelly | Wormfood: dd can truncate |
| 17:47.46 | Wormfood | jelly, without copying it? |
| 17:47.50 | Titan8990_ | amikrop, what makes you think that? |
| 17:48.06 | Wormfood | "head" can truncate too...but not without copying it |
| 17:48.20 | themill | fdfr: supersede should mean the request is ignored so that doesn't matter |
| 17:48.32 | fdfr | themill, thanks |
| 17:48.37 | themill | Wormfood: ":>filename" truncates it... but I bet that's not what you wanted. |
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| 17:49.05 | jelly | Wormfood: if it was copying it wouldn't be truncating, innit |
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| 17:49.32 | jelly | Wormfood: write 0 bytes at the end, and dd truncates by default. dd if=/dev/zero of=victimfile bs=1b seek=500000 count=0 |
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| 17:49.44 | _UsUrPeR_ | tips his hat |
| 17:49.46 | Wormfood | I just noticed the truncate command |
| 17:49.55 | jelly | Wormfood: verify before ruining the file |
| 17:50.00 | fdfr | themill, works fine |
| 17:50.08 | jelly | Wormfood: I've probably confused seek and skip again |
| 17:50.12 | amikrop | Titan8990_: I read something on the web. |
| 17:50.25 | Wormfood | jelly, of course...I wouldn't want to upload 600 meg again because of a stupid mistake I could have tested on a 1 meg file ;) |
| 17:50.38 | Trewas | amikrop: funny to see if something happens wrt. iceweasel/firefox in debian because of that |
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| 17:50.56 | _UsUrPeR_ | I am looking for some information about partitioning with preseeding. Specifically, I need to find a way to test without taking the time for a 45 minute installation. |
| 17:51.11 | amikrop | Trewas, Titan8990_: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2010/02/24/hullabaloo-part-eleventy-two |
| 17:52.21 | Trewas | or http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933 (by the debian iceweasel maintainer) |
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| 17:53.09 | Titan8990_ | amikrop, interesting, thanks for the link |
| 17:53.28 | iwks3 | hi all, do you know if exists a website which lists open source developers sorted by countries? |
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| 17:53.35 | amikrop | Titan8990_: No problem, but does that mean Debian can include the actual Firefox at its repositories? |
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| 17:53.41 | iwks3 | i mean by number |
| 17:53.42 | amikrop | * in its |
| 17:53.49 | dondelelcaro | iwks3: Debian lists them, but there's no cetral registry of open source developers |
| 17:53.58 | iwks3 | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 17:54.08 | iwks3 | dondelelcaro: would be nice such a list |
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| 17:54.32 | dondelelcaro | iwks3: well, it'd basically be impossible; we don't even know how many developers there are, let alone where they're located |
| 17:54.54 | jelly | iwks3: some of them are anonymous |
| 17:54.57 | iwks3 | dondelelcaro: so i mean something similar to linux register users, but made for developers |
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| 17:55.42 | iwks3 | i know it can't picture the whole frame but..would be a good start |
| 17:55.55 | Titan8990_ | amikrop, im sure there will be an upcomming discussion about it on debian-legal |
| 17:56.24 | Trewas | amikrop: mozilla.org still says that they have a say what patches are approved when someone distributes "firefox", so I guess there has to be some discussion between MoFo and debian if debian will use the firefox name... and there is a problem because debian derivatives would have to rename the package or have agreement with mozilla themself |
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| 17:57.42 | joel_ | hi, my debian installer is not detecting my sata harddrive, what can i do? |
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| 17:58.44 | homunkoloss | Hello im trying to install Lenny on x86 and it is stuck at "starting up the partitioner" how can i find out whats wrong and how to fix it ? |
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| 17:59.44 | homunkoloss | im using encrypted lvm |
| 17:59.48 | helo | is there any reason to do a dist-upgrade on sid once already upgraded from lenny? |
| 17:59.58 | helo | or is safe-upgrade always best once version has changed |
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| 18:00.56 | jelly | helo: safe-upgrade often won't be good enough on sid, but you already know that |
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| 18:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | iwks3: A developer may submit a single patch, or may work as a long-term maintainer. |
| 18:01.47 | jhutchins_lt | iwks3: What info are you really after here? |
| 18:01.52 | iwks3 | jhutchins_lt: right |
| 18:02.57 | iwks3 | jhutchins_lt: do you know this one? http://counter.li.org/ |
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| 18:05.07 | jhutchins_lt | No basis in reality. |
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| 18:05.22 | jhutchins_lt | I've built hundreds of linux systems and never registered there. |
| 18:05.42 | iwks3 | jhutchins_lt: yes but you can't never have a precise number, approximation is always there |
| 18:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | iwks3: Might as well go by page hits at http://linuxwatch.org |
| 18:06.08 | iwks3 | jhutchins_lt: as it works for popularity contest, lot of people doesn't enable it |
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| 18:06.49 | macrobat_ | doesnt nautilus have a sidebar in lenny? and doesnt it apply settings? |
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| 18:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | iwks3: There are more intelligent ways of estimating linux usage, but we're off topic here, #debian-offtopic if you want to continue. |
| 18:07.31 | macrobat_ | how can i make nautilus not pop a new window for every folder opened? |
| 18:07.33 | iwks3 | jhutchins_lt: the link you gave to me is dead |
| 18:07.55 | iwks3 | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 18:08.04 | K0JIbKA | macrobat_: same. i need it to open new tab |
| 18:08.08 | macrobat_ | :) |
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| 18:08.42 | K0JIbKA | there's no setting for that is it? |
| 18:09.03 | macrobat_ | stuck in lenny for the moment :( maybe there is a setting in gconf? |
| 18:09.28 | jhutchins_lt | I thought Gnome was meant not to be customizable. |
| 18:09.54 | gothenburg | gnome -.- |
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| 18:10.41 | macrobat_ | im trying to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:11.01 | format_c | macrobat, I wish you the best :) |
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| 18:11.19 | format_c | NO seriously, error messages? |
| 18:12.28 | gothenburg | macrobat_: and? |
| 18:12.33 | macrobat_ | http://paste.debian.net/61479/ |
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| 18:13.04 | isnich | if debian was a human, it would look like this http://pix.hotornot.de/p/0/7/f/07ff9cab8508.jpg |
| 18:13.04 | macrobat_ | and it wont install, i couldnt install the nvidia driver either |
| 18:13.46 | format_c | macrobat, looks like the post-configure script is not able to execute update-grub |
| 18:13.57 | format_c | What does `which update-grub` say? |
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| 18:14.36 | themill | isnich: wrong channel? |
| 18:14.43 | isnich | ^^ |
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| 18:15.43 | macrobat_ | which update-grub gives no output |
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| 18:16.48 | macrobat_ | grub is on another install |
| 18:16.53 | format_c | macrobat, and `ls -lh /usr/sbin/update-grub` ? |
| 18:17.10 | macrobat_ | 'No such file |
| 18:17.28 | wols | macrobat_: define "other install" |
| 18:17.29 | macrobat_ | why does it have to run update-grub? |
| 18:17.41 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly running actual grub and not the grub2 abomination? |
| 18:17.51 | wols | update-grub adds your kernel to the menu.lst so it's on the boot menu |
| 18:18.05 | macrobat_ | this is a lenny install, the sid one i normally use has grub on it |
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| 18:18.41 | wols | update-grub doesn't work if you have several installs. then you have to manually add your new kernels to menu.lst, or do a grub to grub chainloading |
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| 18:19.05 | format_c | macrobat_, it tries to update the menu.lst to create a new entry in the boot menu |
| 18:19.14 | macrobat_ | i was planning on making symlinks in / to point to the kernel and initrd. i think this is done automatically |
| 18:20.00 | wols | macrobat_: if you don't want update-grub to run on a new kernel install, edit /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 18:20.06 | macrobat_ | i dont need to write to menu.lst can't i have my kernel? is there some way to conf this? |
| 18:20.07 | jhutchins_lt | macrobat_: in / ? |
| 18:20.38 | wols | macrobat_: see above. but if you do this, you must edit your actually used bootloader to include the new kernelt |
| 18:20.55 | macrobat_ | ln -s /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 /vmlinuz |
| 18:21.24 | macrobat_ | i was going to edit menu.lst manually |
| 18:21.31 | format_c | and the bootloader must be able to access the filesystem of the partition the kernel image is located |
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| 18:22.05 | oru_work | in ubuntu with postfix/dovecot, i need to forward everything from one email address to the other, how can I accoplish this ? |
| 18:22.21 | wols | macrobat_: editing menu.lst manually in grub2 (which you use with sid) is not advised |
| 18:22.30 | wols | oru_work: #ubuntu |
| 18:22.32 | macrobat_ | ty, i commented outr the pre- and postinst hooks |
| 18:22.38 | themill | oru_work: sounds like you want #ubuntu. |
| 18:22.53 | macrobat_ | i use plain old grub |
| 18:23.09 | macrobat_ | the doku on grub2 is sorely lacking :) |
| 18:23.13 | wols | macrobat_: not in sid |
| 18:23.22 | wols | agreed. grub2 really reminds me of udev |
| 18:23.26 | format_c | when you use grub I don't understand that update-grub is missing. |
| 18:23.31 | macrobat_ | yes in sid. i installed sid in May |
| 18:23.52 | macrobat_ | no grub installed in this here lenny installation |
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| 18:24.11 | format_c | ah ok. And you don't plan to? |
| 18:24.19 | nOStahl | hey guys, what is the hd media installer |
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| 18:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | grub2 reminds me of frickin' Microsoft - opaque and undocumented. |
| 18:26.02 | jhutchins_lt | has a chip about software that's pushed out as ready before there's any docs. |
| 18:26.08 | themill | jhutchins_lt: community generated documentation.... write some today! |
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| 18:26.38 | nOStahl | im looking to install debian on my eeepc 901, looking through the different installation medias... what is debian hd media |
| 18:26.44 | nOStahl | on unetbootin |
| 18:26.57 | wols | !tell nOStahl about usb install |
| 18:27.00 | jhutchins_lt | themill: It'd be nice if the guys who generated the twenty-leven config files would write something about how they're supposed to be used. |
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| 18:27.47 | jhutchins_lt | nOStahl: I don't understand your question. |
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| 18:28.12 | nOStahl | its listed under debian in unetbootin |
| 18:28.27 | macrobat_ | hd, you mean hdd as in hard disk? |
| 18:28.34 | nOStahl | i dont know |
| 18:28.40 | macrobat_ | :D |
| 18:29.09 | macrobat_ | paste a link here |
| 18:29.21 | format_c | HD=HardDisk; HDD=HardDiskDrive |
| 18:29.35 | format_c | quite the same |
| 18:30.02 | nOStahl | download unetbootin and look under debian |
| 18:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | nOStahl: Wait, you want _us_ to download something and read the docs for you? |
| 18:30.44 | nOStahl | should i get stable or lenny |
| 18:30.57 | jhutchins_lt | nOStahl: Stable is lenny. |
| 18:30.58 | nOStahl | jhutchins its no doc's |
| 18:31.11 | nOStahl | unetbootin's dropdowns |
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| 18:32.27 | nOStahl | ah last time i used debian lenny was the testing |
| 18:32.36 | nOStahl | squeeze the new testing? |
| 18:32.41 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 18:32.50 | nOStahl | sid still bleedng edge? |
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| 18:33.41 | iluminator101 | whois iluminator101 |
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| 18:34.06 | jhutchins_lt | hands iluminator101 a few spare ///// |
| 18:34.08 | macrobat_ | experimental bleeds more |
| 18:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | sid will always break your toys. |
| 18:34.40 | iluminator101 | How do i enable hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda permanently on my laptop |
| 18:35.18 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: is that the kind of thing you put in /etc/rc.local? Some hdparm parameters are permanently set. |
| 18:35.19 | buntfalke | which tool can be use to annotate and comment PDFs (except okular, acroread)? |
| 18:35.19 | macrobat_ | sid broke for me. it lasted from may til now |
| 18:35.19 | nOStahl | k so ima set up squeeze i think |
| 18:35.36 | macrobat_ | ty, ppl. i will reboot to new kernel |
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| 18:36.11 | themill | buntfalke: not much really. /msg dpkg pdf edit |
| 18:36.25 | iluminator101 | well i tried to set it in kernel boot parameters that didnt work, and i tried hdparm.conf that didnt work...so |
| 18:36.54 | format_c | iluminator101, how about /etc/hdparm.conf ? |
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| 18:37.19 | format_c | comments document the usage |
| 18:37.36 | iluminator101 | format_c: i send that line there hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda |
| 18:37.42 | iluminator101 | set* |
| 18:37.53 | iluminator101 | in /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 18:38.03 | Titan8990_ | format_c, iluminator101 there is a manpage for hdparm.conf |
| 18:38.15 | format_c | no that's not as I understand that |
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| 18:38.36 | format_c | just uncomment apm |
| 18:38.58 | buntfalke | themill: okay, that amounts to nothing, essentially :-) |
| 18:39.07 | iluminator101 | brb |
| 18:39.59 | themill | buntfalke: quite. pdfedit is... interesting... OOo is one way of doing it if you want to completely destroy the PDF in the process. |
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| 18:48.37 | amikrop | Titan8990_, Trewas: I see. Thanks for the info. |
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| 18:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | I keep stumbling across sensible things that Debian has done. That's so different than other distros! |
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| 18:51.29 | simonrvn | this is OOTR why i stick with it |
| 18:51.41 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: don't fret too much, you'll find the insensibilities soon enough |
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| 18:52.11 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Oh, certainly, but I expect those. |
| 18:52.30 | Pericius | i did apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and no plugin shows in ice-weasel... am i supposed to do something else or more? |
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| 18:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | Pericius: Close all instances of iceweasel and re-start it? |
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| 18:53.16 | Pericius | jhutchins_lt, no, did that |
| 18:53.27 | format_c | Pericius, how about installing flashplayer-mozilla ? |
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| 18:53.46 | format_c | And then do what jhutchins_lt said |
| 18:53.48 | themill | Pericius: are you sure it actually installed the plugin? |
| 18:54.04 | Pericius | no, i just did apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree |
| 18:54.16 | Pericius | i need to get the debug version working on 64bit deb |
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| 18:54.38 | Pericius | actually |
| 18:54.57 | Pericius | i did replaced libflashplayer.so from it with 32 bit debug version |
| 18:55.54 | Pericius | instructions said so :) |
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| 18:56.38 | poisonbit | how can I use this in my sources.list: http://archives.dotdeb.org/dists/etch/ ? I'm trying like this: http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ but using "archives" instead, and it gives http 404 runing aptitude update |
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| 18:57.13 | degrade | There's a hidden process on my linux machine, lsof or fuser or netstat -nlp can't find it... does anybody know how to find the process? |
| 18:57.20 | degrade | My server was hacked! |
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| 18:57.42 | Sara-25-sexy | hi |
| 18:57.48 | format_c | degrade, I'd recommend to reinstall that box |
| 18:58.01 | format_c | You can try to detect it using rkhunter |
| 18:58.08 | chaochao | degrade: how do u know u ahve it then= |
| 18:58.13 | chaochao | ? |
| 18:58.17 | mike-burns | Does it show up in `ps'? |
| 18:58.53 | talin | hello... i mounted and chrooted a broken debian from a rescue CD... i am trying to install vmware-tools on it... and it says "could not open dir /lib/modules/2.6.26-2... what is taht? is it some package i could install? |
| 18:59.03 | talin | kernel-headers or something? |
| 18:59.05 | format_c | chaochao, mike-burns root kits used to hide themselves quite efficiently |
| 18:59.14 | degrade | rkhunter? I'll look for... |
| 18:59.18 | chaochao | yes |
| 18:59.22 | degrade | chaochao: netstat show... |
| 18:59.24 | degrade | shows |
| 18:59.28 | poisonbit | degrade, aptitude show unhide too |
| 18:59.43 | chaochao | compare /proc/ with all the pids u have running on your system |
| 18:59.54 | degrade | format_c: I will reinstall, the problem is reinstall and the software be buged yet. |
| 19:00.03 | chaochao | and what shitty rootkit reveals themselves in netstat :P |
| 19:00.12 | chaochao | if theyve already done all the hiding |
| 19:00.23 | Pericius | yeah, just copying libflashplayer.so won't work |
| 19:01.24 | format_c | degrade, that would be the best. |
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| 19:04.42 | izzyb | I'm trying to configure a usb device to pass through to a kvm guest os, but I think the host is grabbing the device instead. How can I prevent that? |
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| 19:05.11 | wols | izzyb: blacklist the driver that grabs it? |
| 19:05.27 | izzyb | yeah, that's what I thought, but I'm not sure what driver is grabbing it |
| 19:05.44 | wols | talin: /lib/modules is the place for kernel modules |
| 19:06.09 | talin | wols: okey. how can i install those? |
| 19:06.20 | wols | talin: you can't. they are installed with your kernel |
| 19:06.24 | talin | wols: hmmm |
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| 19:06.38 | wols | talin: tell the real error message to vmware. not us. |
| 19:06.41 | wols | !tell talin about vmware |
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| 19:06.59 | wols | izzyb: find out what hardware it is, then check what driver is used for this hardware |
| 19:07.18 | talin | okay |
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| 19:08.19 | izzyb | http://pastebin.ca/1810534 |
| 19:08.30 | izzyb | that's the details I see in dmesg |
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| 19:09.06 | badzo | hi |
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| 19:09.12 | izzyb | it seems to detect it correctly as a usb nic, but I don't see it loading a driver |
| 19:09.12 | format_c | badzo, hi |
| 19:10.03 | wols | urbanmonk: then google the usb id |
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| 19:10.07 | wols | izzyb: ^^ |
| 19:10.16 | degrade | chkrootkit doesn't found anything |
| 19:10.24 | wols | degrade: reinstall |
| 19:10.35 | format_c | degrade, try rkhunter. I use this regularly on my servers |
| 19:11.05 | degrade | format_c: I'm performing the tests with rkhunter... |
| 19:11.18 | degrade | format_c: unhide doesn't found anything too |
| 19:11.44 | badzo | when i boot my debian i get "could not stat the resume device file'/dev/hda7', after i press enter everything goes on perfectly. it happened after i resized my partitions. /dev/hda7 was my previus swap partition and it seems like it is written somewhere that hda7 is still swap while it has changed. how can i fix it? i have tried reconfiguring uswsusp or reinstalling initramfs-tools and nothing worked |
| 19:11.56 | izzyb | wols, I think the driver is dm9601, based on a google search, but I don't see that driver loaded. |
| 19:12.01 | degrade | I'm concerned about this process being listed in netstat -na and with name "-" |
| 19:12.04 | Pericius | what can i do so http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/nspluginwrapper shows in apt-cache search ? |
| 19:12.16 | Pericius | which sources list should i add |
| 19:12.22 | wols | izzyb: then maybe it's not grabbing it? |
| 19:12.36 | wols | !tell Pericius about backports |
| 19:13.23 | format_c | degrade, did you perform netstat as root? |
| 19:13.42 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, are you running etch? |
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| 19:13.53 | Pericius | Titan8990_, squeeze |
| 19:14.08 | wols | Pericius: then the etch nspluginwrapper won't do you any good at all |
| 19:14.08 | Pericius | the problem was it wasn't under that name, it was under ndispluginsomething |
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| 19:15.11 | Titan8990_ | i thought that nspluginwrapper was obsolete or no longer needed? |
| 19:15.41 | wols | there are still unsupported wlan chips |
| 19:15.47 | wols | e.g. some broadcom ones afaik |
| 19:15.49 | Titan8990_ | wols, thats ndiswrapper |
| 19:15.55 | Pericius | yeah, i'm seeing that now :) |
| 19:16.02 | Titan8990_ | nspluginwrapper was for running 32bit flash on 64bit system |
| 19:16.05 | degrade | format_c: yes! |
| 19:16.10 | degrade | format_c: See... |
| 19:16.13 | wols | Titan8990_: mea culpa. maybe I should go to bed |
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| 19:16.31 | Pericius | ok, i'll just stop being silly and get 32 bit distro |
| 19:16.36 | Pericius | :D |
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| 19:17.05 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, i was saying that flash should work on 64bit without that plugin now, so no need to switch arches |
| 19:17.20 | Pericius | Titan8990_, yeah, i need debug |
| 19:18.20 | degrade | format_c: http://pastebin.com/15YZhW2a |
| 19:18.26 | Pericius | btw, before i jump into installation of new box again, can i somehow during install select to install xfce without all the sillines like gimp, open office and all that? |
| 19:18.47 | wols | Pericius: then learn about the wonderful world of 32bit chroots |
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| 19:19.08 | wols | Pericius: or use a simple VM like virtualbox |
| 19:19.15 | Pericius | i am in vbox |
| 19:19.17 | Pericius | :) |
| 19:19.38 | wols | Pericius: you can't. |
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| 19:19.59 | wols | but why is it so important to do it on install? |
| 19:20.16 | xyan | degrade: tried to telnet to that port? to see if a shell spawns? |
| 19:20.27 | Pericius | wols, kinda figure it's setting things up that i won't manually |
| 19:20.31 | Pericius | not the case? |
| 19:20.36 | degrade | xyan: Yes. anything spawns |
| 19:20.47 | degrade | format_c: did i see? |
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| 19:20.53 | degrade | did u see? |
| 19:20.54 | Pericius | so, i should deselect Desktop enviroment and do xorg and xfce-something for clean installation? |
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| 19:21.16 | format_c | degrade, I'm reading slowly |
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| 19:21.31 | nsadmin | tst |
| 19:22.24 | degrade | format_c: ok |
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| 19:24.54 | degrade | If I do a telnet to 37348 port it's opened a socket waiting some command... |
| 19:24.55 | xyan | degrade: netstat -nple <- figure out which inode is associated, debugfs can be used to find the file that opens the listener, see man debugfs (cat filespec) |
| 19:25.30 | degrade | xyan: r0x... now I have the inode |
| 19:26.05 | xyan | degrade: anyway cap the box from the net, backup data, do a clean reinstall and copy back data (avoid binaries!) |
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| 19:29.37 | degrade | xyan: yes... I really need do this... |
| 19:30.04 | degrade | xyan: I'm using find / -inum # to find the file. |
| 19:30.40 | nsadmin | wouldn't the inode have a direct ref to the file? |
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| 19:31.51 | nsadmin | anyway, the find should work but it'll take awhile |
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| 19:32.48 | degrade | nsadmin: much more time than debugfs? |
| 19:32.58 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 19:33.06 | nsadmin | never used debugfs |
| 19:33.28 | nsadmin | plus it depends on how much stuff you have |
| 19:33.29 | format_c | degrade, can you pls do a "sha1sum `which netstat`" ? |
| 19:33.31 | badzo | sorry for repeating, but |
| 19:33.33 | badzo | when i boot my debian i get "could not stat the resume device file'/dev/hda7', after i press enter everything goes on perfectly. it happened after i resized my partitions. /dev/hda7 was my previus swap partition and it seems like it is written somewhere that hda7 is still swap while it has changed. how can i fix it? i have tried reconfiguring uswsusp or reinstalling initramfs-tools and nothing worked |
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| 19:33.40 | degrade | format_c: good idea! |
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| 19:34.05 | c_korn | hello. where can I ask for help about sourceforge redirector for debian/watch files ? there seems to be a bug. it does not find the project zaz http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/zaz also it clearly exists: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zaz/files/ |
| 19:34.19 | c_korn | s/also/although/ |
| 19:34.36 | degrade | a2131c951098d98a3f91f4b44bbc08e967eddde1 /bin/netstat |
| 19:34.54 | format_c | 096cd3d2d46aefe3594961840d0f64c135cea90d /bin/netstat |
| 19:34.57 | degrade | Modify: 2004-04-22 20:27:26.000000000 -0300 |
| 19:35.08 | degrade | format_c: I'm using a old version of debian.. |
| 19:35.14 | degrade | 3.1 |
| 19:35.20 | format_c | ahm |
| 19:35.23 | xyan | lol |
| 19:35.24 | nsadmin | that could explain how they got in |
| 19:35.32 | format_c | one more reason for reinstall :) |
| 19:35.35 | degrade | nsadmin: :) |
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| 19:36.08 | degrade | ok, but the uniq service that it's opened to internet is apache, and I'm using a compiled version... |
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| 19:36.45 | degrade | I'll check this netstat with another, from another server... |
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| 19:37.02 | nsadmin | supposedly, compiled versions will work better than trying to run the C source directly... |
| 19:37.12 | format_c | degrade, netstat --version | grep netstat ? |
| 19:37.27 | degrade | netstat 1.42 (2001-04-15) |
| 19:37.46 | format_c | degrade, same as mine with a other hash |
| 19:37.56 | format_c | one try just academic |
| 19:38.11 | format_c | reinstall --force net-tools and rerun netsta -tlnp |
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| 19:38.37 | nsadmin | better check apt-get and dpkg first |
| 19:38.52 | format_c | nsadmin, jup |
| 19:38.59 | format_c | that's obviously. |
| 19:39.32 | format_c | But as I said. That's more academic. I still reommend to reinstall the system anyway using a up-to-date debian. |
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| 19:40.14 | nsadmin | is this a remote vserver? |
| 19:41.40 | degrade | format_c: see http://www.filewatcher.com/p/net-tools_1.60-10_i386.deb.248252/md5sums.html |
| 19:41.54 | degrade | They have the same md5sum... |
| 19:42.02 | degrade | I'll reinstall |
| 19:42.34 | nsadmin | is this a remote vserver? |
| 19:42.59 | format_c | mhjh |
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| 19:43.46 | degrade | I just updated netstat |
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| 19:43.56 | format_c | any change ? |
| 19:44.04 | degrade | No : |
| 19:44.07 | degrade | :\ |
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| 19:44.16 | degrade | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:37348 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 5634 - |
| 19:44.23 | degrade | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:32768 0.0.0.0:* 0 5630 - |
| 19:44.28 | degrade | there's a udp too... |
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| 19:44.39 | degrade | may be a kernel internal rotine? |
| 19:44.50 | nsadmin | those are two different ports |
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| 19:44.58 | format_c | degrade, when you do a telnet, can you send data without killing the connection? |
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| 19:45.18 | degrade | format_c: no |
| 19:45.30 | degrade | when I send some data the connection is killed. |
| 19:45.42 | wols | degrade: nfs, portmapper, etc running? |
| 19:46.03 | format_c | even before submitting a new line? |
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| 19:46.10 | nsadmin | degrade is this a remote vserver? |
| 19:46.18 | degrade | wols: port map |
| 19:46.26 | degrade | nsadmin: What means a vserver? |
| 19:46.28 | degrade | virtual? |
| 19:46.33 | nsadmin | yeah |
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| 19:46.40 | degrade | no, it's a physical server. |
| 19:46.55 | nsadmin | how close are you to it |
| 19:47.28 | degrade | nsadmin: 10 meters |
| 19:47.34 | degrade | nsadmin: :) |
| 19:47.34 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 19:47.39 | format_c | degrade, got a try in my mind to identify the process |
| 19:47.45 | karlpinc | degrade: Too far to spit on it then.... ;) |
| 19:47.48 | nsadmin | then reinstalling is safe |
| 19:47.52 | pzn | Using debian kernel 2.6.24; I have a host with 6 eth cards. Need to remotely get the status of the ethernet cables (connected or not). I logged thru one of the interfaces that is working. how can I know the status os the eth cables? |
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| 19:48.03 | xyan | degrade: lsof -i tcp:37348 and netstat -i udp:32768 tells nothing? |
| 19:48.25 | wols | pzn: ethtool |
| 19:48.45 | format_c | do a `yes | nc localhost 37348` and what `top` in another term |
| 19:48.52 | degrade | nsadmin: the problem is... I have a incident with one web app (php), and when I started to find some anomalous reason, I found this opened port... |
| 19:48.59 | format_c | no a `cat /dev/random | nc localhost 37348` |
| 19:49.25 | degrade | nsadmin: If I reinstall, it's ok... But I need to find the bug... |
| 19:49.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:50.02 | degrade | # lsof -i tcp:37348 |
| 19:50.02 | degrade | # |
| 19:50.17 | wols | degrade: stop these (portmap, rpcbind, etc) |
| 19:50.22 | wols | then check netstat again |
| 19:50.36 | degrade | format_c: lol... :) |
| 19:50.38 | wols | karlpinc: you always forget about not messaging people too? |
| 19:50.59 | wols | degrade: so what is it? |
| 19:51.16 | xyan | degrade: degrade you have any defunct or zombie processes running? |
| 19:51.30 | karlpinc | wols: Yes. I figure the channel does not need to hear that I forget about ethtool. I figure the channel is for on-topic conversation. Of course I don't forget to keep on-topic conversation on the channel. |
| 19:51.45 | degrade | # fuser 32768/udp |
| 19:51.45 | degrade | # |
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| 19:52.21 | degrade | yes, there's one defunct. |
| 19:52.30 | degrade | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.33 | xyan | great |
| 19:52.35 | degrade | # kill 2965 |
| 19:52.35 | degrade | -su: kill: (2965) - No such process |
| 19:52.35 | xyan | reboot |
| 19:52.36 | xyan | and see |
| 19:52.45 | xyan | you cant kill zombies :) |
| 19:52.58 | degrade | are u kiding... may be a locked apache process? |
| 19:53.00 | jelly | they're already dead |
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| 19:53.21 | jelly | !tell degrade about zombie |
| 19:53.22 | wols | jelly: my shotgun says otherwise |
| 19:53.30 | degrade | I'm from resident evil... I can kill zombies |
| 19:53.30 | nsadmin | it might be a bot |
| 19:53.31 | degrade | :P |
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| 19:54.01 | degrade | nsadmin: Ok, but... If I kill it, I won`t be able to find it... ok? |
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| 19:54.37 | nsadmin | you're obviously welcome to do all the forensics you want... |
| 19:54.38 | degrade | wols: I kiled portmap and I the port sti open |
| 19:55.15 | SimManiac | hi |
| 19:55.30 | xyan | degrade: lsof -a +p2965 |
| 19:55.39 | nsadmin | it's jsut that it's probably a bug in some debian-3.1 package, and I would presume you're thinking about installing 5.0.something |
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| 19:56.20 | degrade | # lsof -a +p2965 |
| 19:56.20 | degrade | # |
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| 19:56.50 | xyan | degrade: think about a reboot to make sure those ports arent related to the zombified httpd process |
| 19:56.53 | nsadmin | check lsof and fuser |
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| 19:57.04 | degrade | nsadmin: ok... I will do. |
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| 19:58.34 | RalfGom | hi! can i use sysrq in debian lenny or is it disabled in the default kernel? |
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| 20:00.20 | nsadmin | RalfGom do you have lenny installed with a default kernel? |
| 20:00.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does Adobe flash plugin work on AMD64 installation of debian? |
| 20:00.54 | wols | LinuxGuy2009: yes |
| 20:01.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | cool thanks. |
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| 20:01.29 | wols | RalfGom: check the config* file of your kernel in /boot/ |
| 20:01.31 | RalfGom | nsadmin: jep, default install, terminal only |
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| 20:01.41 | petemc | RalfGom: grep -i magic /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 20:04.33 | RalfGom | petemc: thanks, i am having problems with vlock, and therefor i cant use the terminal and need to kill vlock through sysrq |
| 20:04.46 | HackeMate | hello, i installed the w32codecs deb file from debian-multimedia, also tried to use another video player, but I still can't see certain videos that I see in windows |
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| 20:06.07 | zinx | HackeMate: what format/codec is the video in question? |
| 20:06.48 | HackeMate | no idea really, I just see .avi |
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| 20:07.17 | zinx | HackeMate: try 'file foo.avi' |
| 20:07.19 | xyan | HackeMate: mplayer -identify <file> |
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| 20:10.59 | HackeMate | ID_VIDEO_CODEC=ffodivx |
| 20:11.01 | HackeMate | that? |
| 20:11.57 | zinx | strange, divx/xvid should play back fine even without w32codecs |
| 20:12.39 | zinx | this isn't one of those scam videos that gives you a url to a custom codec that has trojans/spyware in it, right? |
| 20:13.12 | HackeMate | no, its just a mountain bike video, i can see it in windows with vlc with no prob |
| 20:13.16 | HackeMate | but here i just can hear it |
| 20:13.28 | zinx | you can't see it in Linux with vlc? :D |
| 20:13.32 | Titan8990_ | !divx |
| 20:13.32 | dpkg | divx is probably de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4) |
| 20:13.36 | HackeMate | nope, i cant :/ |
| 20:13.42 | zinx | that's very strange |
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| 20:13.52 | Titan8990_ | HackeMate, you might need VLC from dmm instead of the main/non-free repos |
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| 20:14.09 | nooper | !dmm |
| 20:14.09 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 20:14.22 | Pericius | what's the fastest way to get 2.6.28 kernel? |
| 20:14.30 | HackeMate | yes, i have that repo, i will verify what vlc i have |
| 20:14.34 | nooper | Pericius: which debian |
| 20:14.43 | Pericius | 5.04 |
| 20:14.45 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, > .28 or exactly .28? |
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| 20:15.11 | Pericius | >= 28, it's just a 3d acc requirement for vbox |
| 20:15.26 | nooper | .28 is in stable, you can get it with aptitude |
| 20:15.27 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, install the kernel from lenny-backports |
| 20:15.30 | nooper | dunno the package name |
| 20:15.31 | zinx | Debian 5.0r4? |
| 20:15.32 | Titan8990_ | judd, kernels |
| 20:15.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-2-686 (2.6.32-8); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:15.39 | Titan8990_ | nooper, only .26 is in stable |
| 20:15.49 | nooper | oh. doh |
| 20:16.29 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, add backports and `aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686`, assuming is a i686 machine |
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| 20:16.48 | Pericius | Titan8990_: will do |
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| 20:19.24 | degrade | I did the reboot... another port it's opened now... I guess that's a rpc related service. |
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| 20:19.34 | degrade | Integrated with [rpciod] |
| 20:19.36 | degrade | grr |
| 20:20.22 | nsadmin | do you use nfs? |
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| 20:21.01 | NoReflex | hey guys! any ideas why the stats (TX and RX bytes) aren't correct? I have a webserver that makes a backup of a 30GB+ each night. On the DB server I can see about 843 GB TX but on the webserver I have only 1.3 GB RX...and the backups are there...both servers have been up for about 20 days. |
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| 20:21.41 | NoReflex | I'm using ifconfig to see the stats |
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| 20:22.54 | petemc | NoReflex: any chance the module for the nic has been unloaded? or iptables reseting the counters? |
| 20:23.29 | al23 | Hi! How do I set up an analog microphone? My audio controller IDT 92HD71, `alsamixer` says nothing interesting regarding it (well, it lists two "Capture" items). |
| 20:23.33 | Pericius | Titan8990_: can i remove the old one now? along with it's headers? |
| 20:23.54 | Pericius | and, will it be removed from grub? |
| 20:23.57 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, yes, i recommend confirming the new one boots and works properly first though |
| 20:24.00 | NoReflex | petemc: I'm not using iptables - the firewall isn't turned on because the machine is behind a router (NAT). don't know about the module...but I guess not |
| 20:24.15 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, yes, it will be removed from grub as long as you didn't edit a section of menu.lst you shouldn't have |
| 20:24.23 | petemc | thats me out of ideas then.. |
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| 20:24.31 | Pericius | Titan8990_: also through aptitude? |
| 20:25.10 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, yes |
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| 20:25.27 | Titan8990_ | Pericius, if it fails to make the menu.lst changes, move menu.lst to a new location and run `update-grub` |
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| 20:26.51 | chris_ | I have a machine that I'm trying to do etch->lenny on, and it's failing the `aptitude safe-upgrade` with this: The resolver timed out after producing a solution; some possible upgrades might not be performed. |
| 20:27.24 | chris_ | It then lists some unmet dependencies on a pair of packages that conflict; should I simply remove the conflicting packages for now, or is there something else going wrong? |
| 20:27.38 | NoReflex | petemc: I've tried ethtool -S eth0 and that gives tx_octets: 18 792 568 511 and rx_octets: 419 636 024 334 - that seems more like it. But I don't know why ifconfig gets it wrong |
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| 20:33.33 | degrade | nsadmin: Yes, I use. |
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| 20:36.07 | andrew_p | hi all. in init scripts, start-stop-daemon check if such daemon already exists. how do i start the second instance of the same daemon, if i need to? i haven't found any quick way to overcome this |
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| 20:38.09 | Zbyshek | how to set sshfs to fstab? |
| 20:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: There isn't a global answer to that, it depends on the daemon. You would have to have a secondary configuration at least, and a custom init script. What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 20:40.49 | andrew_p | i do have a secondary configuration, second init script, separate pid files etc.. i'm trying to start a second instance of the opensips server. it seems that start-stop-daemon is actually checking if the executable name passed in --exec param is already running |
| 20:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: Sounds like they don't intend for you to do that. |
| 20:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: You could set up a VM. |
| 20:42.21 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: You could rewirite the init script to use a lockfile. |
| 20:42.32 | keith4 | or not use it |
| 20:42.32 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: You could recompile the bin with a different name. |
| 20:42.48 | keith4 | or just rename it |
| 20:42.50 | nvz | so I got a quick question regaurding PXE, do I HAVE to run a dhcpd on my boot server or can I just use the damn DHCP already on my router? |
| 20:42.52 | andrew_p | jhutchins_lt: yep, i'll try the latter.. thanks for suggestion |
| 20:42.56 | keith4 | hardlink it |
| 20:43.19 | Titan8990_ | nvz, if your router's dhcp server can send booting information, you can use that |
| 20:43.24 | Titan8990_ | nvz, most likely it does not |
| 20:43.24 | keith4 | nvz: the dhcpd doesn't have to be on the boot server, but it does have to tell the client where to boot from |
| 20:43.45 | nvz | keith4: thats what I was wondering, how it knows which IP to boot from |
| 20:43.58 | keith4 | but if, by router, you mean "nat appliance".. then it most likely doesn't support that, as Titan8990_ said |
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| 20:44.39 | nvz | well then, I guess I'll be linking two machines with a crossover cable then |
| 20:44.44 | Titan8990_ | ^ which should be replaced with a cheap PC running pfsense :) |
| 20:44.53 | keith4 | or a debian box ;-) |
| 20:45.00 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: Not real up on SIP, what does running a second instance of the server do for you? |
| 20:45.27 | keith4 | ISC's dhcpd calls it "tftp-server-name", and maybe "next-server" and "filename", depending on what you want to do |
| 20:45.32 | andrew_p | jhutchins_lt: weird, copying the bin or hardlinking it doesn't do the trick. start-stop-daemon somehow returns 1.. |
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| 20:45.39 | keith4 | MS's dhcp server calls it something clever like "option 66" |
| 20:45.42 | nvz | is such a hardcore debian fanatic, he bleeds in swirls |
| 20:45.43 | jhutchins_lt | ;) |
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| 20:47.39 | andrew_p | jhutchins_lt: i could use just one instance.. but the customer brought some (weird) examples where one instance doesn't do the trick and he needs a separate instance working with its own DB.. |
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| 20:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | andrew_p: Sounds like a case for VM's. |
| 20:49.53 | andrew_p | jhutchins_lt: makes sense... |
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| 20:50.05 | initscriptoverlo | is there a way to test run everything in /etc/init.d without rbeooting? |
| 20:50.31 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: why? |
| 20:50.35 | dondelelcaro | initscriptoverlo: what are you trying to test? |
| 20:50.46 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: You can stop/start each item, but you should probably know what you're doing. |
| 20:51.30 | keith4 | initscriptoverlo: you could telinit 2, then telinit 5 |
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| 20:51.46 | keith4 | but that doesn't run *everything* in init.d |
| 20:51.53 | themill | sends keith4 back to #redhat |
| 20:51.58 | initscriptoverlo | I've got a remote box, and my problem is that I just installed postgre and reconfigured it to demand a password even from localhost...which wrecked the whole box as soon as i reboot |
| 20:51.59 | jelly-hme | keith4: by default, that doesn't run anything |
| 20:52.02 | initscriptoverlo | rebooted* |
| 20:52.15 | the_sniff | hey. what's overwriting my resolv.conf? i dont have resolvconf installed. and the dns servers are added manually to the /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:52.26 | the_sniff | yet i still can't resolve |
| 20:52.56 | keith4 | runlevel 1, then? |
| 20:52.58 | keith4 | and back to 5? |
| 20:53.03 | initscriptoverlo | the box is useless now because (I'm guessing) the postgre initscript is demanding password input. I'll have to wait until this weekend to physically travel to the box and find out. the point is, i'd like to avoid these kinds of mishaps in the future... |
| 20:53.04 | jhutchins_lt | for foo in `dir \etc\rc#.d\K*`; do /etc/init.d/$foo stop; done && for foo in `dir /etc/rc#.d/S*`; do /etc/init.d/$foo start;done |
| 20:53.04 | themill | the_sniff: what does your resolv.conf currently say? |
| 20:53.07 | jelly-hme | the_sniff: adding dns server to interfaces only works when resolvconf _is_ installed |
| 20:53.10 | the_sniff | im using lenny btw |
| 20:53.40 | jelly-hme | the_sniff: assuming you're talking about dns-nameservers and other dns-* lines |
| 20:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: You can use the above, or in this case just stop/start postgre. |
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| 20:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: No real reason to restart the whole box. |
| 20:54.51 | initscriptoverlo | dondelelcaro: to answer you specifically: I'm trying to make sure that my box WILL make it through the next reboot |
| 20:54.55 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Why did you reboot it? |
| 20:55.08 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: for foo in `dir \etc\rc#.d\K*`; do /etc/init.d/$foo stop; done && for foo in `dir /etc/rc#.d/S*`; do /etc/init.d/$foo start;done |
| 20:55.23 | jhutchins_lt | where rc#.d is whatever runlevel you want. |
| 20:55.34 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Chances of an ssh connection surviving such a test are nil. |
| 20:55.52 | initscriptoverlo | jhutchins_lt: yes, but that would do bonkers on the mountroot and mount*.sh scripts, too... |
| 20:56.12 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: see, you already know why not to run that! |
| 20:56.22 | initscriptoverlo | jelly-hme: but i have to reboot it too! |
| 20:56.31 | keith4 | uh, the only way to see if it will survive a reboot is going to be to reboot it |
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| 20:56.38 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Possibly for foo in `ls /etc/rc#.d/S*`; do /etc/init.d/$foo restart;done |
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| 20:56.50 | jelly-hme | offers initscriptoverlo a serial console connected to a second, remotely accessible machine |
| 20:56.51 | ranix | but there are plenty of ways to be sure it won't |
| 20:56.52 | themill | jhutchins_lt: the `dir ...` is unneeded btw. the shell can glob on its own quite well enough |
| 20:56.56 | initscriptoverlo | hm, I guess I could just for-through each entry in init.d minus the sensitive scripts |
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| 20:57.24 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Constantly learning from you, what's the syntax? |
| 20:57.27 | initscriptoverlo | jelly-hme: and then a telegraph line to a third backup human operator? :D |
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| 20:57.58 | themill | jhutchins_lt: hehe :) in this case, for i in /etc/rc#.d/S*; do something; done |
| 20:58.08 | the_sniff | anyone? |
| 20:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: I would suggest that all you really need to test is things that you have changed (postgre in this case). |
| 20:58.20 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: if you had a humar operator you'd have told them to look at the proper console already |
| 20:58.30 | themill | the_sniff: what does your resolv.conf currently say? |
| 20:58.36 | initscriptoverlo | jelly-hme: yes, the point is that I don't :( |
| 20:58.42 | jhutchins_lt | loves bash loops! |
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| 20:59.05 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Gotta work on that dog training! |
| 20:59.09 | initscriptoverlo | jhutchins_lt: yes, but I could be changing a zillion different configs on several different servers...can't remember to keep track of them all... |
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| 20:59.14 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: this is where a serial console becomes useful, in absence of proper lights-out management |
| 20:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Bad idea. Change one thing at a time, test, keep notes. |
| 20:59.50 | initscriptoverlo | jhutchins_lt: good point |
| 20:59.55 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Only change a zillion configs on several different servers AFTER you know it's right. |
| 21:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | is bad about "keep notes" and usually only thinks of it after he's in pretty deep doodoo. |
| 21:00.44 | initscriptoverlo | but to be honest, "will the corresponding stuff in /etc/init.d run w/o requiring user input" isn't really at the top of the list... |
| 21:01.04 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: if you have a good number of server, consider migrating to hardware with remote console access on the next round of hw upgrades |
| 21:01.14 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Only important if you reboot. |
| 21:01.23 | initscriptoverlo | hm, now that I think about it, I did invoke /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 a bunch of times after that password policy change, and it went fine...so it must be something else... |
| 21:01.38 | initscriptoverlo | jelly-hme: such magic exists? |
| 21:01.46 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: I do know of a script that will reboot, wait for input and if it times out, revert to a previous configuration. |
| 21:01.53 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: doh! |
| 21:01.56 | the_sniff | WOW am i lagging lol. hmm well my resolv.conf was right and was just overwritten to the dhcp client's config. i currently locked the file so i can work remotly with ssh but im trying to make dhcp client stfu since i dont use dhcp |
| 21:01.56 | the_sniff | how do i do that? |
| 21:02.06 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: Useful for testing firewall rules. |
| 21:02.12 | initscriptoverlo | jhutchins_lt: such magic exists? |
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| 21:02.59 | initscriptoverlo | oh my oh my |
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| 21:03.07 | initscriptoverlo | jelly-hme: what a wonderful wonderful idea |
| 21:03.26 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: different vendors call it different ways. HP has iLO, Sun has ALOM, IBM or Dell calls it DRC, can't remember |
| 21:03.40 | initscriptoverlo | I could rig up my microcontrollers to pass around messages to the box |
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| 21:04.20 | jelly-hme | initscriptoverlo: typically it gives you a separate mangement network card and you can access the console, power cycle the machine, boot it from remote .iso image and stuff |
| 21:04.30 | initscriptoverlo | jelly-hme: dell has DRAC; I just looked it up. I don't think I'll be getting those soon, but I definitely have bunch of ucs lying around. thanks for the thought! :D |
| 21:04.59 | _UsUrPeR_ | hey all. Could somebody take a look at my preseed.cfg? I'm having problems creating LVM partitions. I'm getting a red screen and "failed to partition the selected disk." |
| 21:05.02 | initscriptoverlo | jhutchins_lt: jelly-hme: thank you! |
| 21:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: It's either in http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html or the NAT howto... |
| 21:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | initscriptoverlo: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 21:06.11 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:07.13 | eptalon | what's the last version of grub-pc without that crippling "grub-won't start" bug (568001)? |
| 21:07.14 | initscriptoverlo | jhutchins_lt: thanks! |
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| 21:08.49 | HackeMate | aw, I was able to watch those videos with mplayer, I just configured the video driver (gl2 x11 opengl) |
| 21:08.58 | HackeMate | but now I guess I could have the same issue with vlc |
| 21:09.04 | HackeMate | but I didn't find that option |
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| 21:11.01 | btnz | hi, how can i find out at what time a process stopped? |
| 21:11.29 | nm9 | how can I stop some Active Internet connections such as smbd, sshd etc... I see them on netstat -atup |
| 21:12.27 | jelly-hme | nm9: do you want to stop the respective LISTENing services, or stop some active connections? |
| 21:12.56 | eptalon | nm9: ot stop the connections, kill the process they ate attached to. |
| 21:13.14 | nm9 | jelly-hme, I used netstat -atup |
| 21:13.28 | nm9 | and I want to stop some of them |
| 21:13.46 | jelly-hme | nm9: that doesn't answer my question. Show one line you wish to stop. |
| 21:14.16 | nm9 | tcp 0 0 *:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN 3392/smbd |
| 21:14.33 | jelly-hme | nm9: that's the listener for your samba service |
| 21:15.24 | jelly-hme | nm9: stop the service using its init script in /etc/init.d, or using the invoke-rc.d command |
| 21:16.23 | nm9 | jelly-hme, /etc/init.d smbd stop ? |
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| 21:17.21 | jelly-hme | nm9: nope, take another look in that directory to see what really exists |
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| 21:18.26 | nm9 | jelly-hme, I found samba |
| 21:18.33 | bluehaze | question: so a guys updates a program to unstable. which in turn updates all dependencies to unstable. now his sudo / su does not work. can anyone point me on how to reverse his process. i have the information on what was installed. |
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| 21:18.53 | nm9 | jelly-hme, now how to stop it? |
| 21:19.02 | jelly-hme | won't tell, figure it out |
| 21:19.35 | eptalon | bluehaze: how many packages are we talking about? |
| 21:19.52 | jelly-hme | nm9: the scripts in /etc/init.d/ are all executable and you can run them |
| 21:20.03 | bluehaze | eptalon: libdb4.7 libreadline6 libsqlite3-0 libsqlite3-dev libssl0.9.8 python2.6-minimal sqlite3 |
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| 21:20.27 | bluehaze | eptalon: The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 21:20.27 | bluehaze | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.03 | eptalon | bluehaze: download the "old" packages, if you don't already have them, and install with dpkg |
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| 21:22.03 | bluehaze | eptalon so actually download the .deb files instead of relying on apt-get? i am sorta new to this i am sorry if that is a silly question |
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| 21:22.41 | eptalon | bluehaze: yes. |
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| 21:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | bluehaze: That doesn't look like it should have affected sudo/su though. |
| 21:24.18 | Titan8990_ | !downgrade |
| 21:24.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:24.19 | nm9 | jelly-hme, tnx I used /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 21:24.22 | stuckey | When I update, and the update includes a new nvidia driver, do I have to restart or just restart x? |
| 21:24.34 | jelly-hme | nm9: also, if you don't need that service at all, you can remove the package the file /etc/init.d/samba belongs to |
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| 21:25.09 | Titan8990_ | stuckey, update should not include a new nvidia driver unless you are upgrading versions |
| 21:25.11 | jelly-hme | !tell nm9 about search |
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| 21:25.26 | Titan8990_ | stuckey, i.e. - etch->lenny |
| 21:25.26 | stuckey | Titan8990_: using sid |
| 21:25.30 | nm9 | jelly-hme, ok |
| 21:25.35 | bluehaze | jhutchins true but everything is humming along fine until he did this. |
| 21:26.03 | dutchfish | themill: he needed a holiday badly? ;) |
| 21:28.25 | bluehaze | well nvm all that. i cant log in as root. i guess i will take an easy way out and reimage his machine.. 15 minutes vs. hours trying to resolve an unknown issue |
| 21:29.00 | Titan8990_ | stuckey, sid is not really community supported like stable is. its not recommended you run sid unless you really know what your doing |
| 21:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | nm9: We can tell you how to do one thing, or we can point you at stuff you can use agian for other things and build your linux knowledge. |
| 21:29.50 | stuckey | Titan8990_: I've been using it for a long time now, and for me, it has been very stable. |
| 21:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: That's just it, sid's not SUPPOSED to be stable. It's SUPPOSED to break your toys. That's why it's Sid. |
| 21:30.24 | stuckey | I only have to restart X when upgrading nvidia. |
| 21:30.32 | themill | stuckey: very stable in the "I break it every week or two and have to come running to #d to fix it" sense? |
| 21:31.06 | jelly-hme | VERY stable |
| 21:31.16 | jelly-hme | it's not EXTREMELY stable yet |
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| 21:31.47 | jhutchins_lt | wonders how the average IRC user defines the word "stable"... |
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| 21:31.55 | eptalon | iceweasel/xulrunner broken? - how do I gewt a web-browser in sid/experimental |
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| 21:32.21 | themill | !btssmite eptalon |
| 21:32.21 | dpkg | beats eptalon around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if eptalon is running testing or unstable |
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| 21:32.35 | jelly-hme | eptalon: run /opt/firefox/firefox! |
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| 21:32.43 | fupp | I'm seeing at a mailing list that a new package was accepted to debian today, but I can't find it if I search the package repository.. do the packages go somewhere else first? |
| 21:33.04 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: place where horses are trained? |
| 21:33.05 | stuckey | themill: I don't know if that's the sense I meant. |
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| 21:33.33 | nm9 | jhutchins_lt, yes, you're right |
| 21:34.01 | themill | fupp: there are a number of steps. Try /msg dpkg incoming ; /msg dpkg buildd ; the package's qa page if it exists yet is a good place to start |
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| 21:34.24 | fupp | okay |
| 21:34.46 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Mabe where they're kept. |
| 21:35.13 | fupp | yup, it was in incoming |
| 21:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | I have a feeling more people consider stable as "not obviously broken right now" as opposed to "not likely to change behavior or break unless you do something to disturb it". |
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| 21:35.50 | themill | jhutchins_lt: yes. Particularly those with bad cases of sns |
| 21:35.55 | jelly-hme | jhutchins_lt: my testing/sid/experimental desktop is rather stable... between upgrades |
| 21:36.10 | eptalon | jelly-hme: mine is too. |
| 21:37.49 | jhutchins_lt | sid + cron-apt in auto-upgrade mode ftw! |
| 21:37.54 | nsadmin | that's kinda like "object which is at rest and which tends to stay at rest" |
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| 21:39.44 | nsadmin | throws the testing/sid/experimental desktop under the horse's butt... which would make it... in stable |
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| 21:40.20 | goose | what do I need to install to get POE.pm ? |
| 21:40.32 | jhutchins_lt | sets the stable's training/feeding/breeding dabase up on sid and hopes for the best. |
| 21:40.51 | nsadmin | goose: what's the full module name? |
| 21:40.59 | jelly-hme | goose: apt-cache search libpoe-perl, or apt-file |
| 21:41.01 | jelly-hme | or even |
| 21:41.06 | jelly-hme | judd: file /POE.pm |
| 21:41.09 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:41.14 | jelly-hme | judd: file */POE.pm |
| 21:41.17 | judd | */POE.pm in lenny/i386: libpoe-perl: usr/share/perl5/POE.pm |
| 21:41.23 | goose | shiny |
| 21:41.25 | goose | thanks mate |
| 21:41.35 | bluehaze | this is interesting. when i try to log in as root:i get this echo: ohhh jjeee: operation is not possible without initialized secure memory |
| 21:41.44 | jelly-hme | goose: perl module packages are almost always called libfoo-bar-baz-perl |
| 21:42.06 | jelly-hme | (for a Foo::Bar::Baz module) |
| 21:42.18 | goose | hum. still getting "Can't locate POE/Component/IRC.pm" on trying to start the bot. |
| 21:42.24 | eptalon | so, how do I get a working icxeweasel? |
| 21:42.32 | nsadmin | or even a FOO::BAR::BAZ module |
| 21:42.48 | jelly-hme | goose: you didn't say you wanted POE::Component::IRC |
| 21:42.51 | nsadmin | package names have case lowered |
| 21:42.57 | macrobat_ | i define unstable == moving target. unstable != shaky and will eat your kittens |
| 21:43.00 | goose | heh, I didn't realize that's what I wanted :P |
| 21:43.08 | nsadmin | then it's libpoe-component-irc-perl |
| 21:43.10 | jelly-hme | judd: file */POE/Component/IRC.pm |
| 21:43.12 | judd | */POE/Component/IRC.pm in lenny/i386: libpoe-component-irc-perl: usr/share/perl5/POE/Component/IRC.pm |
| 21:43.18 | jelly-hme | goose: see! |
| 21:43.24 | goose | hahahaha |
| 21:43.26 | goose | jelly-hme++ |
| 21:43.27 | goose | thank you |
| 21:43.31 | nsadmin | was faster than judd! |
| 21:43.40 | jelly-hme | !win nsadmin |
| 21:43.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, nsadmin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:43.57 | nsadmin | already has that |
| 21:44.48 | nsadmin | with more coming all the time.... |
| 21:44.51 | goose | thanks guys :D |
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| 21:45.30 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: it could have not existed... |
| 21:45.42 | jelly-hme | (the package, not the spam supply) |
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| 21:46.16 | nsadmin | no, I've used it befofre |
| 21:46.23 | nsadmin | it definitely existed |
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| 21:46.52 | jelly-hme | nowai |
| 21:47.06 | nsadmin | wai :P |
| 21:47.20 | jelly-hme | thought POE was somewhat newfangled crap |
| 21:47.32 | jhutchins_lt | Guess it's not Power Over Ethernet. |
| 21:47.39 | stuckey | how come my transfer rate on ftp.de.debian.org keeps droping to like 60kB/s |
| 21:47.50 | nsadmin | it's been around for a minimum of 5 years |
| 21:47.55 | jelly-hme | the context is Perl, jhutchins_lt |
| 21:47.56 | Titan8990_ | we have devices here close to 10 years old that support POE |
| 21:47.58 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: They know. |
| 21:48.17 | nsadmin | 60k/s isn't that bad |
| 21:48.48 | jelly-hme | judd: kernels |
| 21:48.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-2-686 (2.6.32-8); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:48.58 | jelly-hme | still no 2.6.33?!?!?!? |
| 21:49.12 | Titan8990_ | nsadmin, IMO thats terrible |
| 21:49.16 | stuckey | at this rate it is going to take me two hours |
| 21:49.32 | nsadmin | stuckey where are you? |
| 21:49.36 | stuckey | Germany |
| 21:49.45 | jelly-hme | stuckey: you probably have dishes to wash! |
| 21:49.48 | Titan8990_ | jelly-hme, well... you haven't built and submitted it yet |
| 21:49.49 | nsadmin | you could try fi |
| 21:50.03 | stuckey | jelly-hme: I do actually... |
| 21:50.06 | nsadmin | or some closer country or another mirror in .de |
| 21:50.48 | nsadmin | you could even build yourself a private mirror |
| 21:50.58 | stuckey | nsadmin: that sounds cool |
| 21:50.58 | xyan | ftp2.de.debian.org gives me ~3.5mb/s usually |
| 21:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | Or you could find the mirrorselect script and modify it to test debian servers. |
| 21:51.32 | nsadmin | isn't there still an apt-spy |
| 21:51.42 | nsadmin | ,versions apt-spy |
| 21:51.44 | judd | apt-spy -- etch: 3.1-16; lenny: 3.1-19; sid: 3.1-19; squeeze: 3.1-19 |
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| 21:52.08 | jelly-hme | it's either completely bugless, or abandoned |
| 21:52.55 | nsadmin | what date was 3.1-19 uploaded? |
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| 21:53.10 | themill | ,recent apt-spy |
| 21:53.11 | judd | Package apt-spy recent uploads: 3.1-19 2008-07-12, 3.1-18 2007-12-19, 3.1-17 2007-10-21, 3.1-16 2007-02-28, 3.1-15 2007-01-02, 3.1-14.1 2006-09-28, 3.1-14 2005-10-16, 3.1-13 2004-12-09, 3.1-12 2004-11-22, 3.1-11 2004-10-26. |
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| 21:53.53 | nsadmin | well just cause it's abandoned doesn't mean it doesn't work |
| 21:54.25 | jelly-hme | it has to work to survive by itself |
| 21:54.45 | nsadmin | well it has to not have bugs |
| 21:55.20 | nsadmin | sometimes the tests for that don't include whether it actually works, especially if it's unused |
| 21:56.15 | jelly-hme | there're zillions of old and fresh reports in bts, some have patches |
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| 21:56.56 | jelly-hme | my money is on "abandoned" |
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| 21:57.10 | themill | makes jelly-hme adopt it |
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| 21:57.54 | jelly-hme | maybe when the NM process gets shortened by 90 |
| 21:57.56 | jelly-hme | % |
| 21:58.19 | themill | jelly-hme: you don't need to be a DD to maintain packages. The current maintainer isn't a DD. |
| 21:59.04 | jelly-hme | what then, B cup? |
| 21:59.44 | nsadmin | looks like it's working |
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| 22:10.06 | SimManiac | re |
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| 22:12.07 | ircDon | While running my daily upgrade via aptitude for Debian/sid amd64 I find today I get warnings about untrusted versions of mesa-utils, iproute, libdrm-radeon1 and a few others. In anyone else seeing this today? |
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| 22:13.17 | xyan | ircDon: negative |
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| 22:14.23 | ircDon | xyan: Thanks for checking. |
| 22:14.35 | sshock | do changes to limits.conf require a reboot to take effect? |
| 22:15.17 | xyan | sshock: logout && login should be enough |
| 22:15.44 | sshock | I already tried that and it didn't work :( |
| 22:15.52 | sshock | core file size is still stuck at 0, both soft and hard limit |
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| 22:16.29 | nsadmin | ircDon: so you don't do real work on it, right? nothing generates data, and you don't keep important stuff on the box? do you read the C source of everything that will come in as packages, and make a determination as to whether something will cause instability from the reading? |
| 22:16.30 | xyan | sshock: restart your login manager maybe? |
| 22:16.41 | sshock | I tried restarting sshd, hmm... |
| 22:16.41 | xyan | sshock: should be handled by /etc/pam.d/login |
| 22:16.50 | jelly-hme | sshock: are you trying to enable a service to coredump, or just od it for interactive users? |
| 22:17.00 | jelly-hme | s/od/do/ |
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| 22:17.16 | nsadmin | ircDon, are you running the box to find bugs and report them? |
| 22:17.38 | sshock | jelly-hme: ultimately I am trying to do it for a service, apache2 |
| 22:17.44 | sshock | but for testing I was just trying to do it on my user |
| 22:17.48 | xyan | sshock: uhm restarting sshd and relogin should do it as well if you have pam_limits.so in /etc/pam.d/sshd, also verify that sshd_config has UsePAM yes |
| 22:18.15 | sshock | hmm, I just had an idea |
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| 22:18.30 | MyWay | hi, how can i sync 2 machines using ip failover automatically? |
| 22:18.31 | Porcks | quit |
| 22:18.36 | sshock | it's not looking at limits.conf; it's looking at my current limits of my shell |
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| 22:18.51 | sshock | so if I become root, set what I want using ulimit, then restart the service, that should do it |
| 22:19.19 | ircDon | <nsadmin> Huh? |
| 22:19.25 | jelly-hme | sshock: for apache, you'll just have to edit the init script and put some ulimit in there, I'm afraid |
| 22:19.56 | keith4 | ircDon: he's trying to say "you shouldn't be running sid if you're surprised to see problems" |
| 22:20.03 | ircDon | <nsadmin> Are you asking why I would be concerned about the untrusted packages? |
| 22:20.06 | xyan | sshock: further than that apache most likely runs as www-data as well |
| 22:20.18 | sshock | well, if I have to I'll reboot; for now I was mainly just curious why login.conf seems to be completely ignored |
| 22:20.32 | sshock | yeah, it does run as www-data |
| 22:21.15 | ircDon | Ah, um, well Debian packages are signed by the build system by default. My initial guess was that somebody forgot to sign theses, in which case anyone running sid and these packages would get this error today. |
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| 22:21.22 | jelly-hme | xyan: that's not relevant since apache doesn't use pam anyway |
| 22:21.32 | ircDon | Otherwise, I did something weird on my end. |
| 22:21.40 | nsadmin | ircDon: maybe approximately. but, it depends on what you use the box for, and it is your box |
| 22:22.11 | ircDon | nsadmin: Sorry, I don't follow. |
| 22:22.28 | nsadmin | the red flag I saw is you seem to be -automatically- upgrading on a daily basis |
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| 22:22.44 | jelly-hme | ircDon: where are you getting the unsigned packages from? apt-cache policy mesa-utils iproute libdrm-radeon1 |
| 22:22.54 | ircDon | Oh, sorry, that is not specially relevant. I just meant I was going through my daily routine. |
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| 22:23.31 | nsadmin | your daily routine could cause your box to fail |
| 22:23.44 | sshock | speaking of limits, it seems weird that Debian's default for nproc is unlimited |
| 22:23.59 | sshock | you'd think they would set a sane value to protect against fork bombs |
| 22:24.05 | ircDon | jelly-hme: Thanks, I didn't know that command. Is it paste.debian.org or what for a paste? |
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| 22:24.28 | nsadmin | at least that part of the routine where you upgrade everything available without checking what's going to be installed |
| 22:25.14 | ircDon | nsadmin: Sorry if I worded the question in a confusing way. I am a programmer and I run the latest copy of Sid by routine. |
| 22:25.27 | MyWay | hi, how can i sync/backup/restore 2 machines to use ip failover automatically? |
| 22:25.29 | jelly-hme | ircDon: aye, or any other pastebin site |
| 22:25.39 | sshock | btw, what exactly is the difference between a soft and a hard limit? |
| 22:25.44 | ircDon | nsadmin: So my question relates to something I see in today's package repository. |
| 22:26.00 | degrade | thanks for all |
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| 22:26.22 | sshock | I mean, like if max core size is 100 soft and 500 core, what is the biggest core file I can create, 100 or 500? |
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| 22:26.36 | nsadmin | "I run the latest copy of Sid by routine" is what can cause your installation to fail. do you store the only copies of your projects on this machine? |
| 22:26.37 | jelly-hme | sshock: a process can change its default value (soft limit) up to the hard limit |
| 22:26.49 | sshock | oh, so that's what's all about |
| 22:27.01 | jelly-hme | sshock: using the setrlimit syscall |
| 22:27.02 | sshock | so the soft limit is what gets applied, but it can be changed |
| 22:27.07 | jelly-hme | right |
| 22:27.29 | sshock | I'm glad I finally understand that; I was sitting here trying to figure out what was the whole point. |
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| 22:27.45 | jelly-hme | a nonroot user can't go over the hard limit |
| 22:28.00 | sshock | right; it makes sense now |
| 22:28.18 | jelly-hme | there's probably a capability for that... but who uses capapbilities anyway |
| 22:28.25 | ircDon | jellly-hme: http://paste.debian.net/61508/ |
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| 22:29.06 | nsadmin | welp, ok, he's not listening to me. ircDon: I hope you keep your programs backed up; this is my last comment on the subject |
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| 22:29.18 | ircDon | nsadmin: Thanks. |
| 22:29.28 | ircDon | jelly-hme: ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu unstable/main Packages |
| 22:29.52 | jelly-hme | ircDon: I'd wait a day for the mirror to unbreak itself |
| 22:30.21 | ircDon | jelly-hme: Ah OK, I'll try downloading from the central repository to see if it is the package or the mirror. |
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| 22:31.32 | jelly-hme | 87cbaea40c94305b3216334d7f9277bd /var/cache/apt/archives/mesa-utils_7.7-4_amd64.deb # apt didn't complain |
| 22:31.44 | jelly-hme | that's the md5sum |
| 22:31.45 | sshock | hmm, that's weird; on my one lenny box the max user processes is unlimited, but on my other box it's 32768 |
| 22:32.08 | jelly-hme | how will your users ever live with just 32k processes! |
| 22:32.10 | sshock | and this is before me messing with anything, hmm.. |
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| 22:32.21 | sshock | 32k is just fine; I'm complaining about my other box that had unlimited |
| 22:32.49 | sshock | Hmm, maybe it's my own fault; I think I built my own kernel, so maybe it is a setting I gave |
| 22:33.06 | ircDon | dpkg --install iproute_20100224-1_amd64.deb from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iproute/iproute_20100224-1_amd64.deb installed OK. Hmmm |
| 22:33.06 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ircDon |
| 22:33.12 | sshock | Are the defaults stored in the kernel itself? |
| 22:33.46 | harpette | Anyone knows what makes use of the FSTAB_.* vars set by /lib/udev/fstab_import in /lib/udev/rules.d/79-fstab_import.rules ? |
| 22:33.49 | sshock | Or are they stored in libpam library or something? |
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| 22:34.19 | sshock | I mean, it must be getting these defaults from somewhere, since my limits.conf has always been completely commented out. |
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| 22:35.42 | ircDon | OK, sorry to both the room about that - it was something with my local cache. |
| 22:36.29 | jelly-hme | ircDon: dpkg doesn't check repo signatures... you may have just installed malware |
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| 22:37.44 | jax55 | Hi all, I am trying AllowUsers root@192.168.1.10 ...for my internal network access only, however I am getting: ROOT LOGIN REFUSED FROM 192.168.1.10 |
| 22:37.49 | jax55 | any ideas? |
| 22:37.51 | ircDon | jelly-hme: I didn't know repos had sigs - I thought they were a .deb level thing. |
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| 22:38.12 | ircDon | jelly-hme: Oh you mean repo certs? |
| 22:38.29 | nsadmin | jax55: what exactly are you doing to produce this message? |
| 22:38.44 | CalJohn | Hello, I am altering the port variable in /etc/postgresql/8.4/main/postgresql.conf from 5433 to 5432, and then running /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4 restart. Postgres seems to ignore this, and continues running on 5433. How can I fix this? |
| 22:38.46 | jax55 | nsadmin, ssh from one host to the other |
| 22:39.11 | nsadmin | look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the other |
| 22:39.22 | jelly-hme | ircDon: I don't really know what I mean, just know that apt frontends check it and dpkg doesn't ;-) |
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| 22:39.46 | jax55 | nsadmin, i have the AllowUsers on the target host, and that is where the error is produced |
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| 22:40.07 | Knorrie | jax55: AllowUsers only lists users, not hosts |
| 22:40.29 | ircDon | jelly-hme: Doh. I assumed dpkg checked the .deb sigs against the certs. OK. Well I did an aptitude clean / update and they came down from PSU mirror and installed via aptitude with no complaints. So I dunno. |
| 22:40.32 | jax55 | Knorrie the man page sais it is possible to specify USER@HOST |
| 22:40.33 | jelly-hme | CalJohn: are you sure the restart action stopped the old processes and started them anew? |
| 22:40.43 | Knorrie | jax55: oh yeah i see, i'm wrong on that |
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| 22:40.55 | jax55 | it is not working though |
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| 22:41.11 | jax55 | i tried IP address and hostname, nothing |
| 22:41.16 | jelly-hme | ircDon: network bitflips? Faulty ram? |
| 22:41.34 | jelly-hme | ircDon: experience any suspicious segfaults lately? |
| 22:41.39 | jax55 | there must be something else or a conflicitng setting which i am unaware of |
| 22:41.58 | nsadmin | look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the other |
| 22:42.11 | nsadmin | read the whole file |
| 22:42.24 | jax55 | nsadmin i did, can you be more specific |
| 22:42.58 | CalJohn | jelly-hme: it seems to have done that now...I'm not sure why. thanks anyway |
| 22:43.06 | ircDon | jelly-hme: Yeah, I am too cheap to by ECC memory, could have been space rays hit the chips. :) |
| 22:43.20 | nsadmin | there's a specific yes/no parameter for root logins |
| 22:43.35 | ircDon | jelly-hme: And all the SEGFAULTS are usually my own FAULTS. |
| 22:44.40 | jelly-hme | CalJohn: buggy init scripts |
| 22:44.41 | jax55 | nsadmin, ok argh i missed it...PermitRootLogin no |
| 22:44.43 | jax55 | thanks! |
| 22:44.52 | jax55 | works now |
| 22:45.22 | jelly-hme | CalJohn: do /etc/init.d/foo stop, check the processes, kill if necessary, then start |
| 22:45.40 | CalJohn | jelly-hme: how can these things be buggy? |
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| 22:46.00 | stuckey | I just upgraded my nvidia drivers and now x won't start. |
| 22:46.13 | stuckey | It says the versions are mismatched, but dpkg lists all versions as the same. |
| 22:46.49 | jelly-hme | CalJohn: "easily" |
| 22:46.49 | nsadmin | toldja read the whole file.... :) |
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| 22:47.19 | jax55 | nsadmin, yeah...sometimes takes a slap in the face...tired :) |
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| 22:47.35 | stuckey_ | window froze |
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| 22:47.55 | stuckey_ | Anyone know why this is? |
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| 22:48.41 | stuckey_ | For some reason, every time I upgrade video drivers, I end up stuck without X, and here in IRC asking for help. |
| 22:48.56 | nvz | I'm trying to setup a PXE boot, I followed an old etch tutorial, changing things sensibly. It gets an IP but says it cannot connect to tftpd. I did nothing with tftpd but install it and set it to daemon enabled in the config and start it (the directory link was already in there) what could be the problem? |
| 22:48.57 | Mark22 | Hello, is it possible to start using an empty part of a harddisc without rebooting the system? |
| 22:49.04 | ircDon | stuckey: In general nvidia drivers are tied to the GPU chips. Old drivers require discontinued driver releases. |
| 22:49.07 | jelly-hme | stuckey_: dont' upgrade video drivers? |
| 22:49.17 | stuckey_ | jelly-hme: too late |
| 22:49.30 | ircDon | stuckey: So maybe you need an old nvidia driver series for your GPU. |
| 22:49.39 | stuckey_ | ircDon: No my GPU is new. |
| 22:49.52 | Knorrie | nvz: /etc/hosts.allow or deny? |
| 22:50.07 | ircDon | stuckey: OK, thats not it then. |
| 22:50.12 | stuckey_ | This is what I did. I upgraded, then did "m-a a-i nvidia", then installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-ia32 then logged out |
| 22:50.17 | nvz | Knorrie: ah, good point.. let me look .. its all defaults I havven't changed any of that. but I'll see if thats the case |
| 22:50.23 | pingouin | stuckey_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log says ? |
| 22:50.27 | stuckey_ | all versions say 190.53 |
| 22:50.31 | stuckey_ | pingouin: version mismatch |
| 22:50.33 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys im getting Unsupported initrd generator error installing an debian testing iso any ideas? |
| 22:50.35 | ircDon | stuckey: Did you boot to the same kernel you used when you ran those commands? |
| 22:50.39 | stuckey_ | something about 190.43, but I upgraded them all |
| 22:50.50 | stuckey_ | ircDon: I didn't reboot, just logged out of X |
| 22:50.57 | nvz | Knorrie: nothing (uncommented) in either. I don't see any reason I'd need to implicitly allow it in that case |
| 22:51.12 | pingouin | stuckey_: debian kernel ? or your own build kernel ? drivers from debian apt or from nvidia web site ? |
| 22:51.19 | stuckey_ | debian kernel |
| 22:51.37 | stuckey_ | I didn't take anything from outside the repository |
| 22:51.59 | ircDon | stuckey: You will need to reboot or at least rmmod / depmod to get the new kernel module loaded. |
| 22:52.03 | nvz | Knorrie: I never see anything related to tftp in my syslog or auth log.. I was figuring there would be an attempt and an explaination in there somewhere |
| 22:52.10 | stuckey_ | ircDon: ah |
| 22:52.11 | stuckey_ | okay |
| 22:52.16 | ircDon | stuckey: If you are running a login manager you need to kill that too. |
| 22:52.24 | stuckey_ | I didn't know that. I just run rmmod and then depmod as root? |
| 22:52.24 | Knorrie | nvz: which tftp package are you using? |
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| 22:52.43 | nvz | Knorrie: the site I followed said to install tftpd-hpa, and thats what I did (lenny) |
| 22:52.56 | Knorrie | nvz: and... does the dhcp-server point the client to the right next-server ip? |
| 22:53.01 | ircDon | stuckey: Yeah, run lsmod to get the module name, rmmod <name> to remove it, depmod to get it back in autoload position. |
| 22:53.16 | stuckey_ | okay, I'll try that now |
| 22:53.39 | nvz | Knorrie: I'm using 192.168.1.1 on eth0, and yes the next-server IP is that IP |
| 22:53.51 | ircDon | stuckey: I hope it works. Good luck. |
| 22:53.56 | stuckey_ | ircDon: says I have to specify absolute path |
| 22:54.30 | nvz | Knorrie: if you're knowledgeable on this and going to help I'll just pastebin my configuration for ya.. |
| 22:54.34 | ircDon | stuckey: Weird. |
| 22:54.34 | Knorrie | nvz: my tftp-hpa runs from inetd |
| 22:54.49 | ircDon | stuckey: Which command tells you that? |
| 22:54.55 | stuckey_ | depmod |
| 22:55.00 | stuckey_ | says "nvidia" is a relative path. |
| 22:56.05 | ircDon | Oh, depmod doesn't need a parameter. |
| 22:56.06 | ircDon | Do depmod -a |
| 22:56.06 | ircDon | Although -a should be the default behavior. |
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| 22:56.15 | stuckey_ | ircDon: done |
| 22:56.32 | stuckey_ | ircDon: okay so now F7 is frozen, with a blue screen that says X didn't start or something like that. |
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| 22:56.37 | stuckey_ | How do I get my login window back there? |
| 22:57.01 | ircDon | /etc/init.d/gdm start or kdm or whatever |
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| 22:58.52 | stuckey_ | ircDon: tty f7 - f8 are frozen |
| 22:58.53 | digitalj | Hi, can someone help me to figure out how I can reconfigure a package through the wizard you are presented with when installing with aptitude? |
| 22:58.56 | nvz | Knorrie: this is everything relevant I can think of: http://paste.debian.net/61512/ |
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| 22:59.19 | nvz | Knorrie: this was my reference: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 22:59.19 | digitalj | When I remove a package but reinstall it, I am no longer given that initial configuration wizard |
| 22:59.23 | ircDon | stuckey: ugh |
| 23:00.21 | ircDon | stuckey: Had you done an /etc/init.d/gdm stop? Did /etc/init.d/gdm start complain? |
| 23:01.03 | stuckey | I didn't do the stop before upgrading. |
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| 23:01.51 | ircDon | stuckey: Maybe something is running on tty 7 and 8, like an old gdm or Xorg |
| 23:02.04 | PHR3AK5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.06 | PHR3AK5 | should do it |
| 23:02.12 | PHR3AK5 | FUCK DEBIAN |
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| 23:02.14 | PHR3AK5 | anyways |
| 23:02.34 | stuckey | ircDon: yeah since it tried to restart before I did remmod nvidia, depmod -a |
| 23:02.35 | ircDon | When you run /etc/init.d/gdm start from tty 1 as root, if gdm does start you should get it at tty 7. Maybe check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:02.53 | nvz | PHR3AK5: where the hell did that come from? |
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| 23:02.58 | stuckey | ircDon: oh okay so it starts in 7 even though I started it in 1 |
| 23:03.06 | ircDon | Right |
| 23:03.11 | Knorrie | nvz: looks ok, you can always start a packet sniffer to see what's going on |
| 23:03.17 | PHR3AK5 | DEBIAN IS TEH GHEY |
| 23:03.32 | nvz | PHR3AK5: then leave the channel, don't use debian.. problem solved.. |
| 23:03.36 | ircDon | In general the sequence is, kill anything running X, rmmod, build new module, depmod, run X stuff. |
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| 23:03.41 | PHR3AK5 | k mom |
| 23:03.58 | nvz | PHR3AK5: well you can either listen to mom, or I can call daddy at work.. lol |
| 23:04.09 | PHR3AK5 | call me let's cyber |
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| 23:04.29 | stuckey | ircDon: okay so now I'm back in X |
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| 23:04.48 | nvz | themill: thanks ;) |
| 23:04.56 | ircDon | stuckey: Good news. So that fixed it? |
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| 23:05.31 | ircDon | stuckey: Run glxinfo just to make sure you are on the nvidia driver you want, also glxgears to ensure 3D acceleration is working. |
| 23:05.44 | stuckey | ircDon: yeah I would think. So I just need to remember, when upgrading drivers, I should stop X first? And then upgrade, then m-a a-i nvidia, then upgrad packages, then do remmod depmod, then restart gdm? |
| 23:05.45 | nvz | themill: or should I say "thanks daddy" in this case? |
| 23:05.52 | themill | !spank nvz |
| 23:05.52 | dpkg | bends nvz over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 23:06.09 | stuckey | 55576 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11114.991 FPS |
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| 23:06.18 | PHR3AKS | Debian is the ghey |
| 23:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | Off to affore mentioned stable... |
| 23:06.21 | ircDon | stuckey: yep |
| 23:06.23 | nvz | themill: ... |
| 23:06.26 | PHR3AKS | l0lz |
| 23:06.27 | stuckey | needs to be synced with refresh rate |
| 23:06.30 | PHR3AKS | Debian is the ghey |
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| 23:06.32 | PHR3AKS | Debian is the ghey |
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| 23:06.36 | nvz | nm |
| 23:06.38 | ircDon | stuckey: Is there a dkms package for nvidia? |
| 23:06.40 | nvz | dumber than I thought |
| 23:06.46 | stuckey | ircDon: dkms? |
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| 23:07.29 | ircDon | stuckey: Yeah, new kernel feature that should do the module build for you. fglrx has one. |
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| 23:08.01 | ircDon | So for ATI I use http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-modules-dkms |
| 23:08.05 | stuckey | ircDon: so it will take care of everything when I upgrade with aptitude? |
| 23:08.28 | ircDon | stuckey: Everything but restarting X and gdm |
| 23:08.55 | ircDon | I don't see one for nvidia though. |
| 23:09.00 | stuckey | ircDon: how should I restart x and gdm? |
| 23:09.06 | stuckey | if I logout, then it crashes |
| 23:09.09 | ircDon | So yeah, for the time being I guess you need to use m-a as you do. |
| 23:09.10 | nvz | well unfortunately I gotta rmmod my wifi driver and get off my internet to test this damn PXE again.. unless there is some way I can bind dhcp3d only to my eth0 interface... |
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| 23:10.03 | ircDon | stuckey: Log out first, then use CTRL+ALT+1 to login as root, /etc/init.d/gdm stop, do the new module thing. Then /etc/init.d/gdm start will bring tty 7 back up. |
| 23:10.07 | Knorrie | nvz: /etc/default/dhcp3-server -> INTERFACES="eth0" ? |
| 23:10.22 | MyWay | hi, how can i sync/backup/restore 2 machines to use ip failover automatically? can rsync be a good solution? |
| 23:10.23 | stuckey | ircDon: good idea |
| 23:10.28 | cirwin | I have a proprietary application that requires libboost-1.34.1, can I put those libraries somewhere it can access while not removing libbost-1.40.1 which is what I seem to have now? |
| 23:10.35 | nvz | Knorrie: what about permissions on /var/lib/tftpboot/ ? |
| 23:10.35 | ircDon | stuckey: I also see some prebuilt kernel modules in Debian http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 23:10.59 | ircDon | stuckey: Using the prebuilt ones will keep you from have to compile it via m-a as well. |
| 23:11.11 | Knorrie | nvz: well, i think the tftpd has to have read permissions ;] |
| 23:11.15 | nvz | Knorrie: idk much about this, but usually file ownership/permissions can cause this kinda thing.. like apache defaults to www-data or it wont touch it |
| 23:11.17 | stuckey | m-a a-i nvidia isn't that much work |
| 23:11.27 | ircDon | stuckey: True |
| 23:11.31 | stuckey | but i'll try it next time just so I know how to do it |
| 23:11.35 | Cretin | if i start configuring my debian server in virtualbox on my dell in windows, will it be ok when i copy the image to the server when i get home? |
| 23:11.52 | dondelelcaro | cirwin: yes, or you can have them rebuild that proprietary application, or whatever |
| 23:11.54 | Knorrie | nvz: does the booting machine show it's trying to connect the tftp server? |
| 23:11.54 | nvz | Knorrie: well what I mean is, I created this all as root.. so.. |
| 23:12.17 | nvz | Knorrie: yeah, says something about ARP timeout, then says that it could not connect to tftp |
| 23:12.31 | ircDon | stuckey: ATI and nvidia drivers are a pain for everyone but such is the way of things. |
| 23:12.31 | cirwin | dondelelcaro: I intend to complain at them, but that's not a short-term solution. Do you have a pointer to some documentation for getting it to work? |
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| 23:13.20 | stuckey | ircDon: Yes, but they'll be necessary if I want to play Amnesia when it comes out :) Also, can't you do hardware x264 decoding on nvidia? |
| 23:14.06 | ircDon | stuckey: Yep, nothing open-source comes close in 3D acceleration. Vendor drivers are a must for those two manufacturers. |
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| 23:16.19 | Cretin | hello debian, ive just decided to switch from ubuntu. my server is resizing partitions, but id like to start getting my debian install configured. im going to use virtualbox. will the image work once i copy it to the server's partition? |
| 23:16.42 | stuckey | ircDon: Thanks for the help. You wouldn't happen to know anything about scanners, would you? I just got an Epson (sane listed it as supported) that's giving me output like this: http://jhstuckey.com/book-error.jpeg |
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| 23:17.14 | Knorrie | nvz: weird, have you tried to run a network-traffic-dump, like tshark -i eth0 -f 'port 69' on the tftp-box? that's what i would do at this point |
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| 23:17.37 | ircDon | stuckey: Sorry, I am not up on the scanner drivers. |
| 23:18.03 | nvz | Knorrie: it all happens fast, but I paused it.. says Client IP: 192.168.0.70 MASK:255.255.255.0 DHCP IP: 192.168.0.1 GATEWAY IP:192.168.0.1 PXE-E11: ARP timeout (twice this time) and PXE-E38: TFTP cannot open connection, then PXE-M0F: Exiting Intel PXE ROM. |
| 23:18.07 | ircDon | stuckey: That is weird though. |
| 23:18.30 | stuckey | Especially since they list it as being "complete" |
| 23:18.32 | nvz | Knorrie: I changed it to only listen on eth0 and changed all the configs to 192.168.0.0 cause my wifi is 192.168.1.0 |
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| 23:35.14 | dboehmer | hello |
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| 23:35.44 | dboehmer | i am using debian squeeze and now apt-get upgrade wants to install apache2 on top of lighttpd |
| 23:36.00 | dboehmer | how to determine why a pkg is going to be installed when upgrading? |
| 23:36.01 | nsadmin | and what you want is... |
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| 23:36.09 | abrotman | dboehmer: put it in a pastebin |
| 23:36.20 | nsadmin | aptitude why pkgname maybe |
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| 23:37.29 | razer52s | wtf is this http://tinyurl.com/ydmh38d |
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| 23:37.44 | dboehmer | nsadmin, well, i guess there are loads of pkgs depending on apache but until now none of the installed pkgs depended on apache |
| 23:38.11 | dboehmer | the pastebin as demanded http://pastebin.com/mUPHBY5n |
| 23:38.14 | themill | dboehmer: aptitude's --show-why option is useful |
| 23:39.47 | nvz | gives the locked up wireshark window a dirty look |
| 23:40.02 | dboehmer | this is disappointing |
| 23:40.27 | dboehmer | i just ran "aptitude --show-why full-upgrade" and it wont install apache |
| 23:40.43 | themill | sounds like another reason to prefer aptitude over apt-get |
| 23:41.31 | dboehmer | themill, is this a general recommendation? |
| 23:41.42 | themill | dboehmer: yes. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 23:43.40 | dboehmer | themill, thanks for that hint. never cared about aptitude before |
| 23:43.46 | duckx0r | my laptop battery just went out while doing a net install when it had about 5-10 min left downloading all the packages. is there any way to resume the installation? |
| 23:43.51 | dboehmer | now upgrade runs and everything looks fine |
| 23:43.55 | dboehmer | thank you guys |
| 23:45.23 | nsadmin | dboehmer what was it? |
| 23:45.33 | nvz | Knorrie: ok just as the PXE booting machine suggests, the problem is ARP timeout.. wireshark reveals that it never attempts TFTP beause it keeps asking Who has 192.168.0.1? Tell 192.168.0.70, and gets no response.. |
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| 23:46.53 | nvz | SO.. this brings me to my suspecion of the howto I followed entering dns info on the damn dhcpd configuration to IPs that won't know squat about my local network. Is this possibly the problem, or unrelated entirely? |
| 23:47.14 | nsadmin | and the arp cache knows 192.168.0.70? |
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| 23:48.57 | nvz | nsadmin: I'm not real network literate. I couldn't tell you if you couldn't tell me how to find out. all I know is when I pxe boot that other machine I get 12 packets first four are standard dhcp.. discover, offer, request, ack, then I get 8 ARP requests askng who has 192.168.0.1 (the boot server/dhcp server) and tell 192.168.0.70 (the PXE booting machine) |
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| 23:49.27 | karme | if 192.168.0.1 exists it should answer |
| 23:49.31 | nvz | it fails because it never gets a response to that question |
| 23:49.38 | nsadmin | I mean, it should... there;s a command arp |
| 23:49.44 | nsadmin | that can show the cache |
| 23:49.58 | nvz | 192.168.0.1 is this machine's eth0, which is connected via crossover cable directly to 192.168.0.70 |
| 23:50.26 | karme | nvz: anything suspecious in the log of 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 23:50.47 | nsadmin | cable known good? |
| 23:50.51 | nvz | nsadmin: the arp command only shows stuff for wlan0 (192.168.1.0 network), not eth0 |
| 23:50.59 | nvz | nsadmin: cable is def good. |
| 23:51.21 | nvz | I have a multimeter if you really want me to check it.. heh.. doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 23:51.25 | nsadmin | nvz: that;'s interesting... |
| 23:51.38 | nsadmin | well shouldn't be necessary' |
| 23:51.44 | nvz | nsadmin: it IS interesting, but what do we do about it? |
| 23:52.11 | nsadmin | hmm. why doen't arp know about the other net' |
| 23:52.35 | karme | i would say the problem is 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:52.37 | nvz | not sure.. I just did ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 and setup the dhcpd config |
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| 23:53.07 | nvz | all my related configuration to PXE on this machine is here: http://paste.debian.net/61512/ |
| 23:53.07 | nsadmin | oh, that didn't "up" it |
| 23:53.16 | nsadmin | unless you have an interfaces section for it |
| 23:53.28 | nvz | then why the hell would it respond to dhcp and not arp o.O |
| 23:53.32 | nvz | thats weird |
| 23:53.45 | nsadmin | dhcp is bcast |
| 23:53.51 | nsadmin | at least initially |
| 23:53.51 | nvz | so all I really need to do is ifup eth0 then |
| 23:53.54 | nvz | doh |
| 23:53.57 | nsadmin | can either ping the other? |
| 23:54.26 | nvz | obviously not.. the one has no OS and is only on the network during ROM which exits after 8 ARP requests |
| 23:54.50 | nsadmin | .70 has no os? |
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| 23:55.18 | nvz | nsadmin: well its got AMD64 on it, but the whole point is, I'm trying to install i386 and coastered all my remaining cds... heh |
| 23:55.39 | nvz | nsadmin: I am trying to PXE boot the i386 installer on it |
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| 23:55.47 | nvz | from this netbook |
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| 23:57.05 | nvz | this is my first ever experience with PXE.. so the whole concept is new to me |
| 23:57.12 | nsadmin | so you have 0.1 (a gateway?) and 0.70, on your wired... what are these two? |
| 23:57.58 | nsadmin | and these are connected via xover cable |
| 23:58.09 | nm9 | HI, when I run startx gnome appears... but I want X only... although I use gdm for sometime when need gnome... |
| 23:58.13 | nvz | nsadmin: 0.1 is the netbook which is on wifi with 192.168.1.1 gw which is my Cable Modem (Motorola SBG900 piece of crap) on wlan0, and the 0.1 is the eth0 connected to the other box 0.70 with a crossover cable |
| 23:58.32 | nvz | nsadmin: I got the dhcpd configured to work with only eth0 |
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| 23:59.41 | nsadmin | ok, so .70 is the probable IP of the box you want to install onto? |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | nm9: which WM do you want instead ? |
| 23:59.52 | nvz | nsadmin: the problem as we already established is that the eth0 on this netbook is not in its ARP cache, and thus not responding to the PXE booting box when it asks who the hell 192.168.0.1 is.. which is this netbook |
