| 00:00.02 | nvz | nsadmin: correct |
| 00:00.36 | nsadmin | yeahwell I couldn't follow without a scorecard... |
| 00:00.43 | nvz | understandable |
| 00:01.16 | nsadmin | OK, so you want the wired eth to have a static ip, is that all configured in interfaces? |
| 00:01.50 | nsadmin | on the netbook that is |
| 00:01.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: what does ip addr; ip neigh; output on the netbook? |
| 00:01.56 | nvz | nsadmin: na I didn't configure it other than to do ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 which I figured would suffice for this short demo here |
| 00:02.22 | nsadmin | try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 00:02.40 | nvz | nsadmin: tried that earlier. said it was already configured |
| 00:02.53 | nsadmin | no, not ifup eth0 |
| 00:03.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the output from ip; is slightly more comprehensible and better reflects what is actually going on with the network hardware |
| 00:03.18 | dondelelcaro | nvz: in this case, ip link set eth0 up; may be needed |
| 00:03.20 | nsadmin | that message comes from ifup and it's a bit unreilable |
| 00:03.22 | nvz | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/61520/ |
| 00:03.58 | dondelelcaro | nvz: so you haven't assigned 192.168.0.1 to eth0 yet |
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| 00:04.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ip addr add 192.168.0.1/24 dev eth0; should do the trick |
| 00:04.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: doesn't seem so from that info.. but it confuses me how dhcp works.. but like nsadmin says thats entirely broadcast.. |
| 00:04.58 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the PXE machine knows that this machine (the boot/dhcp/gateway) is 192.168.0.1 I guess solely from the dhcp broadcast |
| 00:05.17 | nsadmin | well the initial DHCPDISCOVER is bcast |
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| 00:05.23 | nvz | but cannot verify that through ARP to allow IP connection to the TFTP |
| 00:05.29 | dondelelcaro | nvz: oh, I may be confused here; are you expecting the netbook to be 192.168.0.1? or is it supposed to get its ip from something else? |
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| 00:06.11 | dondelelcaro | nvz: whatever is serving DHCP has to have a static address that's configured properly |
| 00:06.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am just statically configuring the other interface (eth0) on this netbook solely for the purpose of PXE booting this other machine to 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:06.36 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ok, I understood correctly then. So yeah, you need to run that ip command to give eth0 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:06.47 | dondelelcaro | nvz: otherwise it won't respond to the DHCPREQUEST properly |
| 00:06.48 | nvz | dondelelcaro: this netbook is the dhcp/gateway/tftp..etc for this PXE ordeal.. and the network is solely this machine and the other crossover linked together |
| 00:06.54 | dondelelcaro | nvz: cool |
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| 00:07.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: just wanted to make sure that I wasn't confused, and in turn confusing others |
| 00:07.39 | beardy | Sounds confusing. |
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| 00:07.43 | dondelelcaro | nvz: once you do that, see what ip addr; ip neigh; outputs |
| 00:07.46 | debtime | Has anyone experienced problems with a laptop wireless randomly stopping a connection and not letting you reconnect. The only way I have been able to fix it is to reboot (I wouldn't mind doing this except that it happens several times per day. |
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| 00:08.16 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well thats not needed, the other machine is at a boot: prompt now after that command.. heh |
| 00:08.17 | nsadmin | will NOT !confuse beardy until the factoid is improved :) |
| 00:08.17 | dondelelcaro | debtime: sometimes you have to reassociate with the ap; check what dmesg says to see what is going on |
| 00:08.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: cool |
| 00:08.30 | abrotman | debtime: intel wifi ? |
| 00:09.01 | nvz | I may just leave this netbook setup for this, because I rarely use my wired interface, and it would be nice to be able to just throw different installers on here and PXE boot from now on, now that the hard part is over |
| 00:09.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, I strongly recommend learning ip; and using it instead of ifconfig+route |
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| 00:09.23 | nm9 | abrotman, X windows manager |
| 00:09.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I always noticed that they would lie to me, but I never knew any better |
| 00:09.37 | abrotman | nm9: yes .. which one? |
| 00:09.38 | nsadmin | your main source of info for all questions of the form "Has anyone experienced problems with ..." |
| 00:09.46 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 00:09.51 | beardy | debtime: Rebooting sounds unecessary, and probably is. What card, and module/"driver" is it? How do you try to reassociate? |
| 00:09.56 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I'm an A+ tech, and got a general Linux cert, but when itcomes to networking I only know very basic stuff |
| 00:10.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's ok |
| 00:10.14 | dondelelcaro | has no certifications or anything |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | nothing? |
| 00:10.28 | beardy | !certify dondelelcaro |
| 00:10.32 | dondelelcaro | nope |
| 00:10.41 | nvz | boggles at this boot: prompt wondering what to do now.. heh |
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| 00:10.48 | nsadmin | evidently dondelelcaro isn't certifyable... |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | takes away dondelelcaro's advanced degrees :) |
| 00:10.56 | nm9 | abrotman, it's important to me |
| 00:10.57 | PARLIAMENT | anyone actually thinks A+ isn't worthless? |
| 00:11.06 | dondelelcaro | well, I'm AHA BLAS certified, was an EMT at one point, and I have degrees, but they're not certificates... |
| 00:11.07 | nvz | PARLIAMENT: it is if you have a degree |
| 00:11.09 | abrotman | nm9: i'm asking you which window manager you want to use |
| 00:11.12 | beardy | I thought A+ was just a saying. |
| 00:11.17 | nm9 | abrotman, it isn't important to me |
| 00:11.29 | nvz | PARLIAMENT: if you have no college degree then its a bare minimum to get a tech job |
| 00:11.29 | debtime | abrotman: It is happening right now (I am plugged in) It is a linksys wpc11 (rtl8180 chipset) connected to netgear wnr 1000 v.2 |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | nm9: so install one, then we'll talk about configuring it |
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| 00:11.36 | PARLIAMENT | nvz: I guess so |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | debtime: i've noticed that my wifi 'stalls', i thought it was the driver, perhaps it's network-manager |
| 00:12.09 | nm9 | abrotman, default windows manager for X |
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| 00:12.36 | beardy | twm then |
| 00:12.51 | karme | lol |
| 00:12.53 | abrotman | nm9: update-alteratives --config x-window-manager |
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| 00:13.02 | nm9 | abrotman, twm |
| 00:13.15 | debtime | abrotman: From the network manager applet you can see all the wireless networks in the area, but it will not connect. |
| 00:13.17 | abrotman | i wonder where he got that answer ... |
| 00:13.27 | abrotman | debtime: different problem than I have .. ignore me |
| 00:13.36 | debtime | ok |
| 00:13.52 | dondelelcaro | debtime: what does iwconfig; and dmesg; say? |
| 00:14.04 | dondelelcaro | debtime: the last bit of dmesg; should show you why it dissasociated |
| 00:14.17 | dondelelcaro | debtime: you can also try something like iwconfig wlan0 ap any; or similar to get it to attempt to reassociate |
| 00:14.24 | dondelelcaro | debtime: you may also need to play with rfkill or similar |
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| 00:17.59 | nader_ | abrotman, I have installed twm |
| 00:18.03 | dondelelcaro | debtime: [12531.016108] wlan0: authentication with AP 00:26:f2:8d:e1:31 timed out is the issue |
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| 00:18.25 | dondelelcaro | debtime: you should try running iwconfig wlan0 essid "right essid name"; iwconfig wlan0 ap 00:26:f2:8d:e1:31; and see what happens |
| 00:18.30 | dondelelcaro | debtime: what kernel is this, too? |
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| 00:20.20 | debtime | dondelelcaro: This is a fresh install (about a week) of lenny. |
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| 00:21.45 | debtime | dondelelcaro: As far as timing out. It just randomly stops connecting with the router and then will not reconnect until a restart. I will try your suggestion. |
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| 00:23.25 | OldParr | check-selinux-installation returns this error: FSCKFIX is not enabled - not serious, but could prevent system from booting... what is the problem? |
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| 00:28.23 | dondelelcaro | debtime: so you're running 2.6.26; it *may* be worth trying a backport of 2.6.32, but I'm not certain |
| 00:28.34 | dondelelcaro | there are some issues with the wifi stack on different cards |
| 00:33.17 | debtime | dondelelcaro: Thank you for the suggestion. Do you feel that the older kernal would be a better fit? |
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| 00:33.52 | debtime | dondelelcaro: whoops I mean the--you know |
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| 00:34.13 | dondelelcaro | debtime: the newer kernel, actually |
| 00:34.26 | dondelelcaro | debtime: dunno; I've had better luck with wireless on newer kernels |
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| 00:36.30 | dhaivat | hello everyone. I wrongly deleted my apache config files (long story...) as sudo, is there any way to get them back? I have not rebooted since I deleted the files. |
| 00:37.02 | russell_ | just discovered that i can't boot vanilla kernels 2.6.32.8 or newer with udev 151-2 (rolling back to udev 150-2 works). i get "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated", the display goes away (though the disk light blinks for a little while afterwards), but i can't ping the box either. |
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| 00:37.17 | dhaivat | anyone? |
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| 00:37.41 | tinflu | can anyone help me I want to set left alt key as meta key in terminals (mlterm). it works fine on X applications though. |
| 00:38.14 | russell_ | dhaivat: i managed to undelete some files a long time ago from an ext2 filesystem |
| 00:38.21 | dhaivat | how?! |
| 00:38.33 | russell_ | there was a utility for it |
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| 00:38.49 | russell_ | like 10+ years ago, i don't remember, but mr google should know |
| 00:38.53 | nooper | mc had a menu item for ext2 undeletes |
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| 00:39.36 | nooper | nevermind, i dont see it there anymore |
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| 00:40.00 | karme | dhaivat: first of all - stop writing to that fs! |
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| 00:40.12 | russell_ | dhaivat: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Ext2fs-Undeletion.html |
| 00:40.33 | limpio | hi all, is there a command that will show me how much energy i'm using in watts? |
| 00:40.48 | russell_ | limpio: on a laptop? |
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| 00:41.04 | limpio | russell, on a desktop |
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| 00:41.32 | russell_ | limpio: buy a kill-a-watt |
| 00:41.40 | limpio | ok |
| 00:41.46 | limpio | thx |
| 00:43.24 | dhaivat | sh*t, I just destroyed three months of work |
| 00:44.19 | zinx | your apache config was three months of work? |
| 00:45.00 | dhaivat | now, I have another question. I destroyed my /etc/apache2 directory thinking that when I do sudo apt-get remove apache2, it will do the same thing. Now, When I did sudo apt-get install apache2, it didn't replace the files. Now, /etc/init.d/apache2 doesn't work anymore. |
| 00:45.04 | dhaivat | What should I do? |
| 00:45.10 | jelly-home | dhaivat: if your files are worth say $300 or more, cut the power off now and consult a professional data recovery service |
| 00:45.32 | dhaivat | jelly-home: Well, they're not more than a few cents :0 |
| 00:45.34 | jelly-home | oh great, you wrote on the partition afterwards? |
| 00:45.49 | dhaivat | on the partition of that file? No. |
| 00:45.56 | jelly-home | dhaivat: you worked three months for a few cents worth? |
| 00:46.14 | dhaivat | jelly-home: I'm a kid, I don't care about any of my work, I'll do it again :0 |
| 00:46.21 | dhaivat | s/ :0 / :)/ |
| 00:46.22 | zinx | i'm still trying to get my head around how any apache config could be three months of work |
| 00:46.39 | dhaivat | zinx: it took me two months to find all the config files, understand them |
| 00:46.40 | jelly-home | dhaivat: ok |
| 00:46.48 | el-barto | dhaivat: you could try "testdisk" utility |
| 00:46.52 | dhaivat | zinx: and remember, I don't work on this everyday |
| 00:47.01 | zinx | what filesystem is the partition? |
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| 00:47.03 | dhaivat | el-barto: included? How do I use it? |
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| 00:47.11 | dhaivat | zinx: What's the default for lenny? ext3? |
| 00:47.15 | zinx | like, ext2, ext3, xfs? |
| 00:47.25 | zinx | dhaivat: erh, depends on what you created it with afaik |
| 00:47.35 | zinx | dhaivat: it should be listed in /etc/fstab |
| 00:47.43 | zinx | dhaivat: or /proc/mounts |
| 00:47.50 | el-barto | you could try to use a live-cd, then umount partition and run testdisk |
| 00:48.00 | dhaivat | ext3 |
| 00:48.20 | dhaivat | el-barto: files aren't corrupted, just deleted, would it still work? |
| 00:48.27 | dhaivat | zinx: ext3 |
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| 00:48.32 | zinx | i don't know of any programs for recovering apache config files on ext3, but one could certainly be written :/ |
| 00:48.42 | debtime | dondelelcaro: Thank you for the suggestion. I will look for that newer kernal. It is an old wireless card so I would think that the current kernal would be fine, but the router is brand new---so maybe that would be better supported by the newer kernal. |
| 00:49.01 | dhaivat | zinx: okay. Forget the conf file. How the heck do I get apache to work again?! |
| 00:49.13 | zinx | you can try magicrescue but i don't know that it does apache config files |
| 00:49.22 | el-barto | i used this tool for a broken old harddrive and i recovered files that i had delete months ago |
| 00:49.23 | zinx | most of the things like that only do images/video/music/etc |
| 00:49.37 | zinx | dhaivat: uhm, it doesn't work with the default confi? |
| 00:49.59 | dhaivat | I deleted the whole /etc/apache2 directory, envvars, sites-enabled, everything, gone! |
| 00:50.17 | zinx | dhaivat: aptitude purge apache2 (this will delete any existing config files) then install it properly, if /etc/apache2 was not recreated |
| 00:51.13 | zinx | the config files are part of the package, but normal removal does not erase them |
| 00:51.22 | zinx | 'purge' does |
| 00:51.51 | dondelelcaro | there's no need to remove or purge |
| 00:51.54 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 00:51.54 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 00:52.01 | dondelelcaro | dhaivat: see above |
| 00:52.10 | dondelelcaro | dhaivat: and you probably want to do this with apache2.2-common |
| 00:52.15 | dondelelcaro | (or maybe apache2-common) |
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| 00:57.46 | dhaivat | dondelelcaro: OMG. I LOVE YOU (in a politically correct way) |
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| 00:58.01 | dhaivat | zinx: your suggestions helped as well |
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| 00:58.13 | dhaivat | and along the way, I learned what apt-get moo does! |
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| 00:58.38 | codexveritas | Black death upon all Linux users : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wm_eMQxX9E |
| 00:58.58 | zinx | ah sundays |
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| 01:02.59 | russell_ | udev 151-2 + vanilla 2.6.32.5 is hosed also |
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| 01:05.57 | MariachiAC | Hello. i've tried updated to debain squeeze in the past few days with the latest kernel not booting. the only kernel that boots is 2.6.26 from Lenny. Udev fails to install, but if I do aptitude safe-upgrade a couple of times packages get installed. my question is then is it bad to to update from lenny to Squeeze at the current time? |
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| 01:06.32 | russell_ | MariachiAC: what kid of video do you have on that box? |
| 01:06.37 | russell_ | kind* |
| 01:06.44 | MariachiAC | sis chipset. |
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| 01:06.54 | MariachiAC | russell_ sis |
| 01:06.59 | russell_ | sis is video? |
| 01:07.14 | MariachiAC | russell_: Yes |
| 01:07.34 | russell_ | what version of udev do you have? |
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| 01:08.24 | Altered | How do I add a user to the sudoers list? |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | visudo ? |
| 01:09.26 | Amarande | Altered: man 5 sudoers |
| 01:09.42 | Altered | ok thanks |
| 01:10.14 | MariachiAC | russell_: Hmmmm... I'd have to reinstall the system. I had the version of udev that was shipt with lenny. then I pointed my sources.list to squeeze and updated. Udev woudl not install. It would fail. |
| 01:10.40 | MariachiAC | russell_: I coudl do dpkg-reconfigure udev and it would say generating boot image if i remember correctly. The latest kernel would still not boot t hough. |
| 01:11.04 | russell_ | dpkg -l udev |
| 01:11.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching udev |
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| 01:11.40 | MariachiAC | russell_: So what do you propose then? |
| 01:11.57 | russell_ | MariachiAC: what does 'dpkg -l udev' report? |
| 01:13.17 | MariachiAC | russell_: I'm sorry I'm currently not at the computer with Debian installed. I'm at school. I just thought I'd ask the question as to why the system was updated to debian squeeze successfully, but would not boot kernel 2.6.32-trunk |
| 01:14.11 | russell_ | all i can tell you is that i'm having trouble with udev 151 with vanilla kernels after 2.6.32.1 (first one bad is 2.6.32.5) |
| 01:14.25 | russell_ | if i revert to udev 150, they boot |
| 01:15.11 | andres833 | http://subefotos.com/ver/?cd713d9f07051ff6076d71c2fe2e3361o.png |
| 01:15.19 | MariachiAC | yes udev151 was the problem. So how do I revert to udev150? |
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| 01:16.58 | russell_ | i did it like this: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb |
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| 01:18.04 | MariachiAC | russell_: Ok, thank you. i'll be sure to try that. |
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| 01:19.32 | russell_ | if you don't have that locally, you ought to be able to snag it from: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/udev/udev_151-2_i386.deb |
| 01:20.00 | xyan | thats 151-2 |
| 01:20.07 | russell_ | oops |
| 01:20.16 | xyan | which runs here with 2.6.33 w/o problems though |
| 01:20.29 | russell_ | yeah, not sure what the problem is |
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| 01:21.28 | MariachiAC | xyan: Where is 2.6.33 in sid or perhaps experimental? I'll download the .deb file locally just encase. |
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| 01:22.10 | heniu | any toughts on going 32bit -> 64 withouth full reinstal? |
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| 01:22.22 | abrotman | !pal heniu |
| 01:22.22 | dpkg | points at heniu and laughs uproariously |
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| 01:22.24 | russell_ | suspects it has to do with my intel graphics (i915) which is dying like crazy in X recently |
| 01:22.31 | xyan | MariachiAC: homebrew |
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| 01:22.39 | xyan | MariachiAC: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566171 ? |
| 01:22.41 | abrotman | heniu: you'd have to install the OS .. you could use debootstrap if you really wanted |
| 01:23.38 | xyan | russell_: using i915 as well⦠all good with it too ;-) |
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| 01:25.04 | MariachiAC | I wish I coudl use debootstrap to install a debian system. I"m a blind user of linux andh ave a couple of cd's that include speakup the screen reader for the console with espeak as the speec synthesizer. i've tried several times with minimal success to install Debian with debootstrap. |
| 01:25.56 | heniu | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:26.42 | xyan | MariachiAC: oh, that's a special case then. i think it's the best idea if you try to stick to using the stable release. |
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| 01:28.48 | MariachiAC | xyan: Well I just like my packagges to be more up to date. thats why I'd like to use debian testing or just use squeeze. Plus lenny does not have support for espeakup. i installed the headers for the kernel, but when building the espeakup module it says it can't find the headers. I'm not sure where the headers have been installed. So I'm unable to build the espeakup module successfully. |
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| 01:29.29 | nsadmin | what is required for espeakup? |
| 01:30.15 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: espeakup libraries, the kernel headers and that's it. |
| 01:30.23 | nsadmin | ,versions espeakup |
| 01:30.26 | judd | espeakup -- sid: 1:0.71-1; squeeze: 1:0.71-1 |
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| 01:30.49 | nsadmin | why do you need headers? |
| 01:31.09 | russell_ | xyan: i hate you! ;-) |
| 01:32.54 | xyan | russell_: you got the SYSFS_DEPRECATED stuff right in your config? |
| 01:32.56 | icebrain | damn iceweasel and it's bugs, crashing it every 10 minutes:| |
| 01:33.03 | icebrain | *its |
| 01:33.17 | MariachiAC | xyan: Sorry I need the headers to build the speakup screen reader since they are modules for the kernel. Espeakup is not a kernel modules, but I'll need the librires from espeak to bbuild it. I was not able to install speakup successfully in lenny. there is a speakup-source package I believe, but it does not have the software synthesizer support for espeakup. |
| 01:33.40 | russell_ | xyan: define "right" |
| 01:34.25 | nsadmin | but espeakup is already in squeeze... in order for that to happen, the kernel would need the module in it |
| 01:34.55 | MariachiAC | nsadmin: Ok well if I convert udev back to udev150 then i can instlal espeakup. |
| 01:34.59 | nsadmin | what's the name of the module? |
| 01:35.26 | MariachiAC | nsadminthe name of hte module is speakup_soft for espeakup to work with speakup successfully. |
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| 01:37.23 | russell_ | xyan: i have been getting some whines about obsolete rules in z60_iscan.rules |
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| 01:38.00 | MariachiAC | I'll brb. |
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| 01:39.13 | nm9 | HI, I wanna use a linux source based distru for learning, research and etc... found lfs and gentoo what's your suggestion? |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | nm9: ask ##linux |
| 01:39.25 | xyan | russell_: don't remember that something about deprecated sysfs keys? thats easy to fix since it suggests the right syntax in the warning message |
| 01:39.56 | russell_ | SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_iscan.rules |
| 01:40.01 | nm9 | sorry |
| 01:40.38 | LyosNorezel | greetings all... is there a memory tester program that runs on linux that can test an SGI O2's ram? |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | no memtest for mips ? |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | duh .. nevermind |
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| 01:41.32 | abrotman | LyosNorezel: memtester (never used it) |
| 01:42.12 | LyosNorezel | abrotman: thanks... I'll take a look |
| 01:42.20 | lotus-blade | ok, I have squeeze amd the xorg conf is out of sync. what do I need to edit to get it back into sync? |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | out of sync ? |
| 01:42.44 | lotus-blade | there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | that's normal |
| 01:43.26 | lotus-blade | resolution is out of range |
| 01:44.41 | lotus-blade | tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did not work |
| 01:45.05 | WormFood | what do I use for a pause in a shell script....a "hit any key" kinda deal? I've never had that need in a shell script before. |
| 01:45.12 | lotus-blade | I have also tried nvidia-xconfig |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | WormFood: #bash |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | lotus-blade: X -configure |
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| 01:48.26 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:57.03 | nsadmin | found speakup-source in lenny |
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| 01:58.19 | iwks3 | hi do you know if exists a standalone menu application instead of some panel's applets? |
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| 02:01.36 | russell_ | xyan: fixing the udev rules didn't fix the no-boot (i can't even alt-sysrq) |
| 02:01.58 | xyan | no messeges there` |
| 02:02.21 | xyan | russell_: would you tell me what grep SYSFS_DEP tells? |
| 02:03.22 | russell_ | grep of what? |
| 02:03.53 | xyan | the kernel config |
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| 02:04.12 | russell_ | hang on, its fsck'ing at the moment |
| 02:04.59 | russell_ | # CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is not set |
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| 02:05.05 | nike | I have a RAID-1 array I manage with mdadm that is made of /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. It is /dev/md0. sdb died and I replaced it. |
| 02:05.07 | xyan | thats fine |
| 02:05.24 | nike | Now mdadm -D /dev/md0 shows it is healthy, but I never saw it rebuild. |
| 02:05.32 | xyan | russell_: no further error messages at all? |
| 02:05.49 | dvs | nike: should have marked it as degraded before you disconnected it., |
| 02:06.01 | nike | I can access the data seemingly, but I am curious to know if the rebuild process happened in the background, or what? |
| 02:06.15 | russell_ | when i turn off "quiet" on the kernel command line, i see some messages after, but of course they disappear when the display blanks |
| 02:06.27 | russell_ | no time to grab, nothing that looks scary though |
| 02:06.28 | nike | In other words, the data is assuredly on /dev/sda1, but I want to know if sdb1 really contains the data as well? |
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| 02:08.09 | abernier | hi |
| 02:08.14 | ranix | sup dogg |
| 02:08.21 | ranix | how's the crib |
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| 02:08.56 | abernier | I'd like to recompile the nginx package to include an additional module in. What is the procedure to rebuild a package without breaking things? |
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| 02:09.48 | ranix | dpkg-buildpackage iirc |
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| 02:11.17 | nike | dvs: How can I tell if sdb1 actually has the other half of my mirrored data? |
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| 02:12.44 | dvs | nike: it hasn't. You have to mark it degraded, detach it, then reattach it again.\ |
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| 02:15.23 | uorygl | Hi. I have a machine with a static IPv4 address that I'm trying to set up an IPv6 tunnel on. I've followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6, but the tunnel doesn't work: http://pastebin.ca/1811146 |
| 02:15.44 | nike | dvs: okay, so how can I degrade it manually? |
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| 02:16.36 | nike | The mdadm manual has no word in it called degrade |
| 02:17.34 | dvs | nike: you set it faulty (-f) |
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| 02:19.17 | nike | dvs: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 --fail /dev/sdb1 --remove /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:19.20 | nike | Should I run that? |
| 02:19.33 | dvs | wrong order |
| 02:19.55 | dvs | mdadm /dev/md0 -f /dev/sdb1 -r /dev/sdb1 -a /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:19.56 | nike | Actually /dev/md0 already has sda1 as part of it |
| 02:20.10 | nike | ah okay will that rebuild it then? |
| 02:20.13 | dvs | dont touch sda1 if that is ok |
| 02:20.16 | nike | got it. |
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| 02:21.14 | vbgunz | is it possible. based on the name and version of a package to get the latest version of that particular package? I did a dpkg --get-selections and am trying to install these packages onto a new system. but looking at some of these packages although availaible in the repos, I'd rather have the latest versions. what should I look into for this? |
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| 02:21.44 | StuckMojo | can you choose a specific repo to download from when you use aptitude install? assuming you have more than on in your sources.list... |
| 02:22.41 | StuckMojo | lets say one is going unusually slow... |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | repo meaning mirror? or version ? |
| 02:23.21 | StuckMojo | mirror |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | no |
| 02:23.38 | StuckMojo | drat |
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| 02:27.28 | vbgunz | e.g., I have these available in my repos: virtualbox-2.0 virtualbox-3.0 virtualbox-3.1... how can I say install virtualbox-3.0 **but** for the time being really say install the latest version of virtualbox-2.0 which would be 3.1? |
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| 02:30.39 | StuckMojo | vbgunz: there should be a plain virtualbox package which points to the latest one |
| 02:31.18 | StuckMojo | iirc it's virtualbox-ose |
| 02:31.27 | StuckMojo | as the commercial vb isn't in a repo |
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| 02:31.51 | vbgunz | StuckMojo, yeah, its a meta package? I know but I have a huge list from dpkg --get-selections and it has older versions within it that will install, then be upgraded (maybe). |
| 02:32.40 | StuckMojo | mmm...i guess i don't quite get what you're trying to do |
| 02:32.43 | StuckMojo | sorry |
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| 02:33.55 | vbgunz | I am trying to get the list I have from dpkg get selections to show me the latest versions of some programs that are in reality old |
| 02:34.07 | StuckMojo | oh |
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| 02:35.20 | vbgunz | I just manned it out, im stuck :/ |
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| 02:35.39 | StuckMojo | creative use of sed? |
| 02:35.51 | StuckMojo | or awk |
| 02:35.53 | sbrothy | I cannot make idesk work. The icon file is there but for some reason nothing works. |
| 02:36.08 | sbrothy | It's always something that's supposed to be simple... |
| 02:36.26 | vbgunz | StuckMojo: heh, I can't come up with an algorithm slick enough to truly find upgradable package that are in fact true upgrades |
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| 02:37.10 | vbgunz | for example tk2 and tk5 are two completely different packages like x263 and x3270 |
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| 02:38.53 | Raion | Could I get the nick sniperx dropped please? :) |
| 02:38.56 | Raion | Shit |
| 02:38.58 | Raion | Wrong channel |
| 02:38.59 | Raion | Sorry |
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| 02:41.52 | tractor | upgrading from sarge to lenny must be a bad idea. I blew up my whole system |
| 02:42.51 | dondelelcaro | tractor: that's not an upgrade |
| 02:44.15 | tractor | evidently not |
| 02:45.00 | beginnerdeb | ? |
| 02:45.00 | tractor | I keep getting "No space left on device" error |
| 02:45.47 | dvs | tractor: try "apt-cache clean". it might free enough space. |
| 02:46.16 | tractor | dvs thx... |
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| 02:46.20 | uorygl | Hmm. How can I remove an interface that's present in `ifconfig` but not listed in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:47.55 | simonrvn | down it |
| 02:48.45 | uorygl | How do I do that? |
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| 02:49.58 | pingouin | ifconfig ethx down |
| 02:50.06 | dondelelcaro | uorygl: ip link set ethX down; |
| 02:50.54 | uorygl | just reboots the thing. |
| 02:51.27 | tractor | dvs apt-cache appears to lack a 'clean' command |
| 02:52.23 | dvs | tractor: apt-get clean |
| 02:52.24 | dvs | sorry |
| 02:52.53 | tractor | ~~dselect is trying to write into /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 02:52.53 | apt | tractor: okay |
| 02:53.40 | dvs | dselect? |
| 02:53.51 | dvs | feels old |
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| 02:54.54 | wonack | what does trunk refer to in linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686? |
| 02:54.58 | Amarande | remembers those days |
| 02:55.01 | Amarande | my first debian was Bo |
| 02:55.11 | dvs | same here |
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| 02:57.12 | wonack | Running testing. After the latest upgrade, and upgrading to linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686, cannot login to kdm. a few seconds after login, the login screen re-appears. any help on this? |
| 02:57.23 | seba | on my thinkpad x200 tablet i dont get an acpi event when i convert it to a tablet (swivel down) in acpi_listen. I'm using debian squeeze with 2.6.32-2-686 atm. it works with a ubuntu live cd (stick) and the debian live cd (stick).. any ideas? |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | wonack: AIUI, an unstable/non-numbered ABI |
| 02:58.08 | wonack | abrotman: but it is available for the 'testing'. |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 02:58.33 | tractor | dvs: that workefd thanks :) |
| 02:58.41 | dvs | np |
| 02:58.43 | dvs | phew! |
| 02:59.00 | wonack | abrotman: i was using 2.6.18 but it was the next available upgrade. |
| 02:59.24 | seba | I think this is a problem with the kernel in testing but I'm not quiet shure.. i booted my debian up with the ubuntu kernel (2.6.31), that worked too. i got the event in acpi_listen :| |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | wonack: kdm doesn't run or you cannot login ? |
| 03:00.32 | wonack | abrotman: the login screen appears, i login without problem, the screen blanks for several secs and the login screen re-appears. |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | wonack: check in your $HOME for an error file |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | wonack: or try another WM |
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| 03:02.38 | wonack | abrotman: thks, i have checked thro all the relevant log files but i think i should look at $HOME too.' |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | and try another WM |
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| 03:03.56 | wonack | OK, that 'trunk', is it safe to use? |
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| 03:04.50 | wonack | after 2.6.18, the next available rev is 2.6.32, am I right? |
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| 03:06.26 | wonack | gone to work on the login problem. |
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| 03:09.42 | sanjoyd | Has anyone ever used a Samsung Syncmaster with Debian? I'm facing some weird problems. The resolution is 1920x1080 all right, but the monitor seems to stretch it out for some reason. <sanjoyd> And the weird part is that I've already got it to work on a dual display setup. |
| 03:12.55 | dvs | my 2233BW works fine |
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| 03:13.51 | sanjoyd | dvs: Can you pastebin me your xorg.conf please? |
| 03:14.37 | dvs | I'm not on that machine right now |
| 03:14.59 | seba | is there a big difference between the kernel in the repos and the actual source from kernel.org ? |
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| 03:19.41 | coldboot|home | What's a good way to upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze? |
| 03:20.02 | coldboot|home | I changed the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list, but now udev won't install because I've got an old kernel. |
| 03:20.22 | dvs | coldboot|home: should have installed the kernel first. |
| 03:20.32 | coldboot|home | I can force install udev, and have the new 2.6.30 kernel boot, but I'm not sure if it'll work. |
| 03:20.55 | coldboot|home | dvs: I installed 2.6.30 but it fails to mount the root filesystem when I reboot. |
| 03:21.09 | coldboot|home | dvs: I currently have 2.6.26 kernel working, and it still works in squeeze when I reboot. |
| 03:21.27 | coldboot|home | What can I do now? |
| 03:21.40 | dvs | install the new kernel |
| 03:21.41 | coldboot|home | I imagine if I get the 2.6.30 kernel working, I can get the new udev installed. |
| 03:21.48 | coldboot|home | I did, but it fails to mount the root filesystem. |
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| 03:22.02 | coldboot|home | I'll go check the exact error. |
| 03:22.52 | coldboot|home | root (hd0,0) |
| 03:23.16 | dvs | oh. I bet fstab says hda instead of sda. |
| 03:23.18 | coldboot|home | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 03:24.15 | coldboot|home | dvs: Does the kernel read the fstab as the first thing? |
| 03:24.38 | coldboot|home | dvs: The kernel entry says root=/dev/sda1, not hda1, and it's the same as the old kernel, which still works. |
| 03:24.59 | coldboot|home | fstab definitely says sda anyway. |
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| 03:25.10 | dvs | fstab is where the kernel knows where to mount root from |
| 03:25.25 | dvs | that and the grub.cfg file |
| 03:25.44 | coldboot|home | I still have grub1, not grub2 |
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| 03:26.46 | coldboot|home | I think this is before it reads fstab, because the root=/dev/sda1 is a parameter for the kernel line in menu.lst. |
| 03:26.54 | coldboot|home | It's panicking before it does anything else. |
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| 03:27.03 | coldboot|home | The new kernel doesn't use a ramdisk, maybe that's it. |
| 03:27.22 | coldboot|home | Does it load the ext3 driver off the rd? |
| 03:27.44 | dvs | a Debian kernel? probably. |
| 03:28.07 | coldboot|home | Yeah the fstab is fine, and probably not being read. |
| 03:28.24 | coldboot|home | Installing the new kernel didn't make a ramdisk file. |
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| 03:30.31 | dvs | colbinator: update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.30-2 |
| 03:30.44 | dvs | I hope that creates a ram disk |
| 03:31.10 | dvs | coldboot|home: replace the last parameter with the version of the kernel you want to create |
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| 03:32.39 | dondelelcaro | coldboot|home: fstab just tells the kernel where to mount things after it has mounted the root; it has to mount root to read the fstab, after all |
| 03:32.54 | coldboot|home | dondelelcaro: Ah |
| 03:33.01 | coldboot|home | Well fstab is fine, no hd*, just sd* |
| 03:33.12 | dvs | then why is there a root entry in fstab? weird! |
| 03:33.25 | adnc | hello, i've to directories with a lot of subdirectories and files, i copied them but there are differences, does someone know how to find out the differences? sort of diff? |
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| 03:34.31 | coldboot|home | woo initrd fixed it! |
| 03:34.45 | dvs | !beer me |
| 03:34.45 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Guinness for dvs |
| 03:34.56 | dvs | yuck! |
| 03:35.06 | coldboot|home | Guinness in the US tastes like crap. |
| 03:35.19 | coldboot|home | It's much better in England and Canada, at least. |
| 03:35.22 | dondelelcaro | dvs: because it tells the mountall what filesystem it should check first after its been mounted |
| 03:35.34 | dondelelcaro | not much better, unfortunatly |
| 03:35.42 | dondelelcaro | delists guinness |
| 03:36.08 | dvs | give me Maximum Ice! |
| 03:37.06 | coldboot|home | dvs: Are you in Canada? |
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| 03:37.11 | dvs | yup |
| 03:37.21 | dondelelcaro | dvs: you get Labatt Blue, then. |
| 03:37.27 | coldboot|home | Cool, I'm in New York, but come from Toronto. |
| 03:37.45 | coldboot|home | Thanks, by the way. |
| 03:37.46 | dvs | i can live with that., |
| 03:37.52 | coldboot|home | ha |
| 03:37.52 | dondelelcaro | !beer me |
| 03:37.52 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for dondelelcaro |
| 03:38.00 | coldboot|home | !beer dvs |
| 03:38.01 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for dvs |
| 03:38.08 | coldboot|home | !beer dpkg |
| 03:38.08 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg |
| 03:38.10 | dvs | a who? |
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| 03:38.51 | tenzind | hi, is it possible to access files on the host OS from within a chroot environment? |
| 03:39.33 | coldboot|home | tenzind: Maybe with hard links. |
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| 03:42.54 | dondelelcaro | dvs: dogfishhead; it's pretty good, if you like IPA |
| 03:43.17 | dvs | dogfishhead? with a name like that... ;-) |
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| 03:45.00 | abrotman | dvs: they make a few that are xx/xxx min IPA .. with the 120 minute IPA being the 'best' IIRC |
| 03:46.11 | dvs | is definitely not a beer connesour (can't even spell it either) |
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| 03:47.29 | DogBoy | good doc about it called beer wars |
| 03:47.42 | DogBoy | they interview the dogfish guy extensively |
| 03:47.44 | dvs | yeah, I should read up on it |
| 03:48.11 | DogBoy | seems like a nice guy |
| 03:48.24 | umarzuki | help, my laptop (cq40-115au) always rebooting when i tried to install debian. I already have 2 fans, 1 from bottom, 1 in front of it |
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| 03:48.42 | abrotman | umarzuki: rebooting immediately ? |
| 03:49.17 | umarzuki | abrotman, during installation, right after that tasksel thingy |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | and if you skip that ? |
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| 03:50.38 | umarzuki | never tried that, we need the base package at least, right? |
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| 03:51.59 | jgv | [A |
| 03:52.12 | umarzuki | i'll try skipping network mirror and other stuff next time |
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| 04:05.45 | Rapsodius | I have trouble with my GTK theme and icon theme |
| 04:06.37 | Rapsodius | my icon theme is not properly set |
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| 04:07.10 | Rapsodius | but i double checked my .gtkrc-2.0 and everything is fine |
| 04:07.35 | Rapsodius | also my theme is defaulted to Clearlooks, I don't see the theme I specified |
| 04:08.46 | massmc | hello I installed vncserver on a box.. seems to work good when i log into it and it has fluxbox or xfce4.. but if I put knome on it the keyboard is all mixed up |
| 04:08.58 | massmc | gnome* |
| 04:09.13 | massmc | how can i fix this |
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| 04:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | massmc: Are you talking about the host server or a VM on the host? |
| 04:14.07 | Sparcz | Should I be able to double click a .deb file to install an application? |
| 04:14.25 | dondelelcaro | Sparcz: not a good idea |
| 04:14.57 | Sparcz | I get "archive type not supported" anyway. |
| 04:14.58 | Rapsodius | Sparcz: if you dont mind using a console you can also sudo dpk -i deb-file.deb |
| 04:15.10 | Rapsodius | sudo dpkg |
| 04:15.28 | dondelelcaro | Sparcz: in general, you should be using aptitude or similar, and not dpkg directly |
| 04:15.37 | dondelelcaro | Sparcz: what are you trying to install? |
| 04:15.44 | Sparcz | virtualbox |
| 04:15.50 | Rapsodius | fine |
| 04:16.06 | Rapsodius | I installed xmms which is not on the repos anyway |
| 04:16.13 | Rapsodius | however |
| 04:16.17 | tenzind | coldboot|home, worked with sshfs on the same computer |
| 04:16.26 | Rapsodius | you should install virtualbox-ose instead |
| 04:16.33 | Rapsodius | with synaptic or aptitude |
| 04:17.03 | Sparcz | virtualbox-3.1_3.1.4-57640_Debian_lenny_amd64.deb is the filename. |
| 04:17.58 | jhutchins_lt | Sparcz: So why did you download this instead of using aptitude to get it from a Debian repo? |
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| 04:18.18 | Sparcz | yes, i downloaded it. |
| 04:18.19 | Rapsodius | because virtualbox has two versions, maybe? |
| 04:18.39 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 04:18.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'virtualbox' was found. |
| 04:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 04:19.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | -ose |
| 04:19.09 | coldboot|home | tenzind: What? |
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| 04:19.39 | tenzind | coldboot|home, ohh.. was talking about accessing files on host OS from within chroot :) |
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| 04:19.49 | Rapsodius | any help with my gtk issues would be appreciated, thanks! |
| 04:19.51 | coldboot|home | tenzind: haha, yeah you could do that. |
| 04:19.57 | coldboot|home | tenzind: Nice quick fix just to get at some stuff. |
| 04:20.04 | coldboot|home | tenzind: That's a damn good idea, actually. |
| 04:20.05 | tenzind | :) |
| 04:20.26 | tenzind | coldboot|home, google showed me the idea :) |
| 04:21.10 | kj4 | hello debianoids |
| 04:21.33 | Sparcz | jhutchins: I figured I could get the latest version if I downloaded it. |
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| 04:27.32 | Rapsodius | this is my .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 04:28.04 | Rapsodius | http://paste2.org/p/689698 |
| 04:28.17 | Rapsodius | and .gtkrc-2.0.mine |
| 04:28.29 | Rapsodius | http://paste2.org/p/689699 |
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| 04:34.39 | jhutchins_lt | Sparcz: Probably ought to read up on the release policy for packages. |
| 04:35.08 | tractor | now I'm getting an Unknown error - running dselect --install... |
| 04:35.16 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Sparcz about sns. |
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| 04:36.59 | tractor | trying to process /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.30_i386.deb message=exec /bin/bash: pipefail |
| 04:38.18 | tractor | s/he wants me to fix it |
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| 04:41.26 | tractor | "trying to overwrite /usr/sbin/add-shell also used in package passwd" |
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| 04:41.45 | tractor | wonders what that means |
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| 04:47.25 | Sparcz | thanx. the "dpkg -i" worked. |
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| 04:53.14 | Rapsodius | How do I fix the error "GTK+ icon theme is not properly set"? |
| 04:53.36 | dbbolton | my sound just suddenly stopped working on a running system. what can i check? |
| 04:54.23 | Rapsodius | pastebin cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 04:55.19 | Rapsodius | dbbolton: that was for you |
| 04:55.54 | umarzuki | weird thing, from base lenny, i changed all lenny in sources.list to squeeze and do aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade but /etc/debian_version says i'm still using 5.0.4 |
| 04:56.11 | dbbolton | Rapsodius: http://paste.debian.net/61534/ |
| 04:56.36 | dbbolton | i also just got a popup message from kmix about phonon not working but it disappeared |
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| 04:57.20 | Rapsodius | dbbolton: tried using ALSA? |
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| 04:58.04 | dbbolton | Rapsodius: as far as i know i am using alsa. alsa mixer has been working anyway |
| 04:58.45 | Rapsodius | and nothing is muted, or with volume at 0? |
| 04:59.02 | Rapsodius | what's the last thing you did before it stopped working? |
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| 04:59.56 | dbbolton | Rapsodius: not muted. last thing was build xulrunner from deb src |
| 05:00.03 | dbbolton | i think im just going to reboot |
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| 05:01.22 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: post apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 05:01.34 | Rapsodius | and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:01.48 | Rapsodius | also /etc/apt/preferences (if any) |
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| 05:04.01 | dbbolton | it works now. weird. |
| 05:04.50 | Rapsodius | fine then |
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| 05:07.07 | tractor | dbbolton: sometimes apps fight over the sound server |
| 05:07.13 | umarzuki | rapsodius: "installed: 2.10.2-2, candidate: 2.20.2-2, version table: *** 2.10.2-2, 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 05:07.41 | tractor | spookie |
| 05:07.46 | umarzuki | sry, candidate 2.10.2-2 (can't ssh to that laptop) |
| 05:08.15 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: pastebin it |
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| 05:08.42 | dbbolton | there was some message on the tty about pcm and dummy something |
| 05:08.56 | Viaken | Is there a way to recover from rm -r /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 05:09.04 | Rapsodius | sudo aptitude update |
| 05:10.04 | Rapsodius | Viaken: why did you do that? |
| 05:10.26 | Viaken | It was a client, not me .:) |
| 05:12.27 | Rapsodius | Viaken: aptitude is smart try that first |
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| 05:13.02 | Rapsodius | if it does not work you should download the dpkg.deb and try a dpkg -i --force-all dpkg-whatever.deb |
| 05:13.20 | Viaken | http://pastebin.com/wqWJrfQm - I'd imagine this isn't the output one would want? |
| 05:13.42 | umarzuki | Rapsodius, http://pastebin.com/fHMu31C9 |
| 05:15.04 | Rapsodius | Viaken: say Y to that, no other option |
| 05:15.31 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: fine, its getting it from testing |
| 05:16.03 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: as a sidenote did you apt-get update after? |
| 05:16.12 | umarzuki | yes |
| 05:16.24 | umarzuki | but then i could not find openssh-server |
| 05:16.36 | umarzuki | i ran update the 2nd time |
| 05:16.45 | umarzuki | then it downloads package lsts |
| 05:16.50 | Viaken | Rapsodius: http://pastebin.com/PnK7PTpv |
| 05:17.08 | umarzuki | or maybe i was imagining that i had done it ;) |
| 05:18.14 | Viaken | Rapsodius: I'll stop appending after this one. heh |
| 05:18.35 | Rapsodius | Viaken: dpkg-reconfigure --all |
| 05:18.57 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: just to be sure run it again and show me that output |
| 05:19.31 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: oh! don't forget sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences |
| 05:21.08 | Rapsodius | Viaken: weird, why the second time you did an install dpkg didn't asked you? |
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| 05:21.26 | Viaken | Apparently the client's working on this server at the moment. |
| 05:21.45 | Viaken | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 05:21.47 | Viaken | frontend 9260 root 4rW REG 3,4 52091 2695185 /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 05:21.49 | Viaken | They neglected to mention taht. :P |
| 05:21.51 | Viaken | that* |
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| 05:22.08 | Viaken | It's made more fun by the fact that there's a language gap. |
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| 05:28.22 | umarzuki | Rapsodius, http://pastebin.com/u6LJKmFC (i haven't set /etc/apt/preferences yet) |
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| 05:30.04 | kenjy | guys If I disable ACPI my graphic interface becomes really slow, how can I debug this issue? |
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| 05:31.32 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: http://pastebin.com/y0nqGuc5 <- this should be what you need |
| 05:32.09 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: see as I removed deb-src lines, if you really want them you can get them back easily |
| 05:32.51 | Rapsodius | umarzuki: also you should add non-free and contrib to those lines |
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| 05:36.18 | umarzuki | darn, my laptop reboots again when i ran aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 05:58.07 | tractor | spookie |
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| 06:09.08 | nike | hi |
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| 06:28.42 | Rapsodius | I have a problem: I got xmms but it depends on a library no longer supported: libglib1.2 |
| 06:29.35 | Rapsodius | there is a new version called libglib1.2ldbl and several packages have problems with the old version, effectively forcing me to not install them in favour of letting go of xmms |
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| 06:30.56 | Rapsodius | is there any good alternative to it, I'm speaking of xmms original not the xmms2, I want it to support the same skin format than xmms, and to run with such a lowspec hardware, and I'll be happty |
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| 06:31.12 | Tramp | !xmms |
| 06:31.12 | dpkg | xmms is, like, the old X MultiMedia System media player. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #461309, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons. For alternatives, ask me about <amarok>, <audacious>, <exaile>, <qmmp>, <quod libet>, <rhythmbox>, <xmms2>. |
| 06:31.34 | Tramp | probably not |
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| 06:32.44 | Rapsodius | why not? |
| 06:33.02 | Tramp | why not what? |
| 06:33.19 | remote | why not probably not |
| 06:34.45 | Tramp | I know most of the suggested alternatives. They don't match his requirements. Maybe others do, but it's unlikely. Thus the "probably". |
| 06:34.53 | nike | What is more recent: 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 or 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 06:34.54 | nike | ? |
| 06:34.56 | Rapsodius | oh i see |
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| 06:36.13 | Rapsodius | In any case, I think there is a more recent version of xmms out somewhere that depends on the new libglib1.2ldbl only the plugins from etch are not compatible with it because of the library |
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| 06:37.52 | Rapsodius | nike: the trunk version is in testing, while the other is in sid so i would say its newer |
| 06:38.09 | sanjoyd | I'm having the display problem where X does not seem to be able to recognize my monitor's actual size. xrandr --fbmm is not helping, neither is adding the info in xorg.conf. Any pointers? |
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| 06:39.02 | valdyn | !trunk |
| 06:39.02 | dpkg | it has been said that trunk is a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . See also <kernel abi>. |
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| 06:40.48 | tensorpudding | is it possible to run two different gconfd's at once, one in a schroot and one on the main system? |
| 06:41.24 | valdyn | tensorpudding: gnome runs a seperate gconfd per user |
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| 06:41.35 | tensorpudding | valdyn: it's the same user |
| 06:42.27 | valdyn | tensorpudding: you would have to patch the programs that use gconfd |
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| 06:54.59 | valdyn | tensorpudding: whats the actual problem you are trying to solve? |
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| 06:56.48 | tractor | yo .testin ircII |
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| 06:57.17 | tractor | can ya hear me now? |
| 06:57.39 | Sier | ? |
| 06:57.42 | Sier | no |
| 06:58.07 | tractor | OK .. good thanks :P |
| 06:58.36 | chaochao | win 10 |
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| 06:59.30 | tractor | has some wierd X issues .. |
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| 07:00.53 | tensorpudding | valdyn: i'm trying to figure out why a certain program that uses gconf is not working correctly, i'm running this program in a sid chroot using schroot |
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| 07:04.01 | Rapsodius | Tramp: got what I wanted: |
| 07:04.07 | Rapsodius | !qmmp |
| 07:04.07 | dpkg | Qmmp (Qt-based Multimedia Player) is a feature-rich audio player supporting many formats. Packaged for Debian in testing. http://qmmp.ylsoftware.com/index_en.php |
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| 07:07.44 | wonack | stuck at a problem. after a recent upgrade, can't login to kdm. several secs after login, the login screen appears. any help on this? |
| 07:08.10 | chaochao | hm |
| 07:08.17 | cast | can you login with out kdm? |
| 07:08.25 | cast | upgrade to what? |
| 07:08.53 | wonack | cast: i can login in commandline mode. i upgrade my 'testing'. |
| 07:09.53 | wonack | following some lead, i have checked ownership and privileges of files such as .Xauthority and .Xsession. they seem alright. |
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| 07:10.06 | cast | ah. |
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| 07:11.36 | wonack | i have also try other WM available from the menu. but there are not many, only 'default', 'kde', 'tvm' and 'failsafe'. |
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| 07:15.53 | tractor | wonack: are you starting X from tty0 or other? |
| 07:16.14 | tractor | I'm in similar predicament |
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| 07:17.01 | wonack | tractor: i just try let the system bring itself up in kde, not doing anything manually. |
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| 07:17.16 | wonack | tractor: u running 'testing'? |
| 07:17.18 | tractor | I'm trying to run X from tty6 as normal user |
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| 07:18.19 | talin | hello. i have a debian installation running as a vmware guest. i moved it from one host to another, and now it won't boot. it seems that it's because of a bug in kernel 2.6.18 that doesn't allow the use of a particular controller when running in vmware... what is the easiest way of upgrading my kernel without breaking anything? i don't have internet access from this computer, but i can mount a cd-rom |
| 07:18.42 | talin | it is debian 4.0... i'm not sure what kernels it can handle, etc |
| 07:19.50 | tractor | wonack: chatting here tty3 using ircII |
| 07:20.03 | cast | talin: eh, so vmware isn't presenting the same environment? |
| 07:20.15 | tractor | been a while since I've been in text mode debian ;) |
| 07:20.18 | cast | talin: i mean to say between two vmware hosts? |
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| 07:21.21 | wonack | tractor: is it by choice or is it because you can't get kdm to work? |
| 07:21.22 | talin | cast: i think she scsi driver doesn't work any longer. the new vmware host has a different approach to that, i suppose |
| 07:21.43 | tractor | the latter.. only gdm |
| 07:21.43 | cast | talin: ask vmware ;P |
| 07:21.55 | talin | cast: i did. they say that i should ask debian |
| 07:22.11 | talin | cast: it's a bug casued by running kernel 2.6.18 on vmware |
| 07:22.18 | talin | and upgrading kernel might work |
| 07:22.31 | cast | wait.....18 isn't debian stable. |
| 07:22.35 | talin | when i boot from a rescue CD, i can mount the disk... but when i boot normally, it can't find /dev/sda1 |
| 07:22.47 | cast | use debian stable, problem solved :) |
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| 07:23.00 | talin | cast: is there a simple way to upgrade this without breaking any software? |
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| 07:23.10 | tractor | wonack: I made the catastrophic choice to try a sarge to lenny upgrade |
| 07:23.44 | cast | talin: eh. depends on the software. debian packages shouldn't break, third party things may assplode. there's release notes available |
| 07:23.48 | tractor | I guess I should've done sarge > etch > lenny |
| 07:24.06 | cast | tractor: yeah, you should have ;P |
| 07:24.27 | wonack | tractor: you miss one step |
| 07:24.31 | talin | cast: oki. well, the problem is that this thing doens't boot. so i must boot it with a rescue cd and then mount the disk and chroot. can i mount another CD and upgrade from there? |
| 07:24.31 | wonack | :D |
| 07:24.31 | cast | or at least taken a snapshot before experimenting |
| 07:25.00 | cast | talin: NFI regarding vmware, i don't use it. |
| 07:25.14 | tractor | is stuck in dpkg mud ... no CD .. network and floppy only :( |
| 07:26.36 | tractor | this os an old console and I'm flat broke .. trying to find lenny on a lappy - cheap ;) |
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| 07:27.01 | tractor | but till then I gotta get this heap stable |
| 07:27.05 | cast | grab a second hand eee |
| 07:27.15 | ambuli | hi all, could someone help me. I have a folder where sources.gz, and packages.gz file exists. can i use this path in deb-src ? |
| 07:27.55 | talin | if i want to upgrade from debian 4.0 to 5.0 (using CDs), what CD images do i need to download? |
| 07:28.07 | streuner_ | heh |
| 07:28.19 | ambuli | or in deb-src <url-dir-path>, the url-dir-path should be in some structure ? |
| 07:28.28 | cast | talin: really depends what you've installed |
| 07:28.38 | streuner_ | talin: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 07:28.55 | ambuli | could someone kindly help me please. |
| 07:32.21 | tractor | ambuli: can you use apt sources? |
| 07:32.24 | streuner_ | ambuli: /msg dpkg own repo |
| 07:33.36 | ambuli | tractor, i didnt get u ? :) |
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| 07:36.50 | talin | okay. well, i have made backup of this server, and i am ready to try to upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0. is there an upgrade cd i can boot from, or should i boot from a rescue cd, mount and chroot first? |
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| 07:38.07 | gp5st | is there a command to show duplicate lines from the input? |
| 07:38.28 | cast | sure |
| 07:38.41 | gp5st | would you be able to tell me what it is? |
| 07:38.44 | cast | uniq |
| 07:39.00 | cast | will need to sort first, |
| 07:39.06 | gp5st | well :) |
| 07:39.09 | gp5st | of course:) |
| 07:40.06 | tractor | ambuli: streuner has better help :) |
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| 07:40.55 | ambuli | tractor, i am afraid, what does he mean also :). is it any help ? |
| 07:44.01 | tractor | ambuli: *dpkg* own repo looks reasonable. Can you follow it? |
| 07:44.42 | tractor | you know the distinction between root and user? |
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| 07:47.44 | cast | root is a user |
| 07:48.18 | stockholm | root is a state of mine :-) |
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| 07:48.52 | tensorpudding | urxvt seems to be acting stupid after i changed my PS1 |
| 07:49.13 | tensorpudding | if the text reaches the end of the terminal, it wraps around on the same line, covering what i already wrote |
| 07:49.35 | karsten | What's the BIOS equivalent on newer Macs? EFT or something like that? |
| 07:49.41 | tensorpudding | EFI |
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| 07:50.56 | karsten | Danke. |
| 07:51.18 | tensorpudding | seems to be a problem with escaped characters for colors, i'd suppose |
| 07:51.50 | talin | does anyone here know which CDs i need in order to upgrade debian (from etch to lenny)? |
| 07:51.57 | talin | (no internet connection) |
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| 07:53.01 | tensorpudding | the lenny ones that correspond to your architecture |
| 07:53.10 | karsten | talin: Network connection is your best bet, otherwise, tensorpudding's answer. |
| 07:53.36 | karsten | talin: Any way of temporarily getting Inet? |
| 07:53.36 | nano | Can I run programs with different keyboard layout, without changin the keyboard layout of the whole system? |
| 07:53.44 | talin | tensorpudding: in the debian 5 dir on debian.org, there's a bunch of debian-x.iso files and debian-update.x.iso files |
| 07:53.45 | tensorpudding | you can download the images and burn them to disk if you have occasional access to an internet connection |
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| 07:53.53 | talin | karsten: no, can't use internet at this location |
| 07:53.53 | karsten | nano: console or GUI? |
| 07:54.04 | nano | karsten: a 3d game |
| 07:54.13 | nano | fullscreen |
| 07:54.30 | talin | tensorpudding: i can download the images and burn them on cd from another location |
| 07:54.39 | karsten | nano: xmodmap is the general answer. You can store several different keymaps and swap between them pretty easily. |
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| 07:54.56 | karsten | talin: I'd do DVDs and burn the whole set. CDs is going to add up to a lot these days. |
| 07:55.16 | karsten | talin: ... or get a portable HD and create an archive on it. Actually that's the ticket IMO. |
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| 07:55.35 | talin | karsten, tensorpudding: so my question is: which dvd/cd should i download if i want to upgrade? the debian-504-i386.iso or debian-504-i386-update.iso? |
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| 07:56.05 | tensorpudding | the updated one might refer to the update to lenny that they did |
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| 07:56.31 | tensorpudding | i don't actually know |
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| 07:56.53 | yo_rmn | I've finally installed lenny on my vbox, now i can't change resol |
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| 07:57.06 | tractor | ambuli: any luck? |
| 07:57.39 | tractor | admires build-essential |
| 07:58.23 | ambuli | tractor, yeah i could see one more help on dpkg as a private message :) |
| 07:58.25 | ambuli | it is helpful. :) |
| 07:58.28 | ambuli | thanks. |
| 07:58.51 | tractor | :) |
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| 08:18.53 | tractor | wonders about debhelper |
| 08:19.32 | wonack | i don't know which version of kde i am using. previous version is indicated in the kdm login screen. but what i current have is a screen of several white circles in different shade, with the login box. nay one knows which version is this? |
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| 08:20.09 | tractor | If wann to build a truely minimal optimized custom kernel for this old heap, where to start? |
| 08:20.32 | cast | kernel.org |
| 08:21.01 | wonack | that's a file? |
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| 08:21.24 | cast | tell me what you think |
| 08:21.40 | tractor | let me append by including a debian-aware custom free-only |
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| 08:22.04 | iaindalton | I'm setting up apt-pinning. Do packages from the foo-security repo have foo or foo-security set as the release? |
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| 08:26.43 | iaindalton | Testing showed that it seems to be so. |
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| 08:33.21 | tractor | maybe i should try tinycore linux |
| 08:33.55 | tractor | i could probably keep all my deb stuff |
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| 08:37.13 | wonack | how to find out which version of kde is installed on my system? |
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| 08:40.06 | stuckey | Can anyone here help me get my X fixed? |
| 08:41.44 | cahoot | stuckey: you already get help - no? |
| 08:42.25 | stuckey | cahoot: I upgraded last night, and it worked. I restarted the machine this morning, and I get this screen that says x failed to start. |
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| 08:44.19 | vargadanis | hi! I have chrooted Bind9 into /var/lib/named folder... how do I enable the syslogger to log bind activity as well? |
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| 08:44.30 | ffrank | hi. i have this java process (jmeter), and ps aux indicates it uses ~20-25% CPU, but top says 0%. i tend to believe top as the process should be dormant atm. what could be wrong? |
| 08:44.39 | vargadanis | all howtos and descriptions say to modify syslogd which is not found in lenny.. |
| 08:44.59 | tractor | stuckey: uname -a |
| 08:45.23 | vargadanis | ffrank, ps aux displays a snapshot of a given time of the load while top updates that periodically |
| 08:45.47 | vargadanis | ffrank, it is possible that when you issued the ps the load jumped for that process and then fell |
| 08:45.56 | ffrank | vargadanis: i know. i'm doing ps aux each couple of seconds, always seeing (bogus) CPU utilization... |
| 08:46.18 | ffrank | i'm even logging this shit ;) |
| 08:46.22 | vargadanis | ffrank, what does jmeter do? |
| 08:47.13 | ffrank | vargadanis: it's a load testing suite for webservers. i'm having swapping issues with it, so i'm trying to audit its system resource usage |
| 08:47.20 | ffrank | but ps is giving me headaches |
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| 08:48.02 | vargadanis | ffrank, ehh I have never used it but I surely will in the near future :) sorry I can't help you there |
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| 08:49.45 | ffrank | ooh - i just relaunched the jvm. i get the impression that ps averages CPU utilization over quite a period (a minute or two?) |
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| 08:52.06 | ffrank | ah. should have read the man page - ps's cpu percentage actually doesn't say anything about *current* usage...\ |
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| 09:21.28 | talin | i downloaded the debian 5.0 iso.. and now i am trying to upgrade my debian etch. however, in the menu, i can't see anything about upgrading (this computer has no internet access, so i must upgrade from dvd) |
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| 09:23.32 | DogBoy | you don't upgrade from dvd |
| 09:23.49 | sash_ | ive never heard this, too. |
| 09:24.06 | talin | it's not possible to upgrade from cd/dvd? |
| 09:24.13 | DogBoy | who said it was |
| 09:24.30 | radoe | talin: you upgrade from inside your running etch system. Just add your DVD as source, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#cdroms |
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| 09:28.00 | talin | radoe: oh. thank you, i'll read that |
| 09:28.36 | talin | radoe: the problem is that my system dosen't boot due to the OS being moved to new hardware... old kernel doesn't support new hardware, but lenny does... so i guess i must upgrade from a rescue CD |
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| 09:34.04 | pfarrell | hi. I am trying to make a debian package of a small python program that I wrote. It consists of some python modules (in the namespace diamond.*) and a script that runs them (in /usr/bin/diamond). When I make the package, the .deb has all of the .py files in /usr/share/pyshared, as I would expect. But when I try to run /usr/bin/diamond, it says it cannot find the diamond.* modules; there is no symlink in /usr/lib/python2.X/dist-packages to the |
| 09:34.04 | pfarrell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:34.21 | pfarrell | I've tried calling both dh_pycentral -i and dh_pysupport -i in the debian/rules file |
| 09:34.26 | pfarrell | but the same behaviour occurs with both |
| 09:34.30 | pfarrell | any ideas? |
| 09:34.57 | pfarrell | if I add a symlink /usr/lib/python2.X/dist-packages/diamond -> /usr/share/pyshared/diamond, then it works; but I thought that the .deb would take care of that itself |
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| 09:36.27 | Justme` | Nice money making methods and software for noobs like me. http://www.wegivedollars.com It's not my website but I earned 121$ only today with those methods. I hope I don't get a bann |
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| 09:39.08 | radoe | talin: Boot some live/rescue system, mount your etch disks, chroot into your etch system, continue with the upgrade as mentioned in the relnotes. |
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| 09:43.41 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 09:44.33 | talin | radoe: yes, thank you. i'm trying that now |
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| 09:49.25 | John80 | I get this error, [warn] VirtualHost mydomain1.local.nl:0 overlaps with VirtualHost mydomain2.local.nl:0, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive |
| 09:49.29 | John80 | What should I add within the <VirtualHost> tags? |
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| 09:49.31 | John80 | to have the second host also working |
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| 09:52.42 | Good-maN | John80: Can you paste your vhost conf to a paste service, then we can help you better |
| 09:52.49 | John80 | Good-maN: sec |
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| 09:55.04 | themill | !apache_vhost |
| 09:55.04 | dpkg | NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.69, <VirtualHost 192.168.1.69>, ServerName http://www.foo.com, ServerAlias http://www.bar.foo.com http://www.foo.org. </VirtuaHost> |
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| 09:56.39 | John80 | Good-maN: http://www.privatepaste.com/32fd1eb299 <- mydomain1.local.nl |
| 09:56.46 | John80 | Good-maN: http://www.privatepaste.com/401d18c865 <- mydomain2.local.nl |
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| 09:57.28 | John80 | Good-maN: /etc/hosts i have added: |
| 09:57.35 | John80 | 192.168.1.238 mydomain1.local.nl |
| 09:57.43 | John80 | 192.168.1.238 mydomain2.local.nl |
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| 09:59.00 | Good-maN | John80: in the hostfile of your server and client? But thats not the error, give me a second |
| 09:59.12 | John80 | Good-maN: yes |
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| 10:01.06 | themill | John80: that looks like an old-style config for apache vhosts. What do you have in /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 10:01.58 | John80 | i just installed new apache2 on my lenny |
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| 10:02.15 | John80 | http://www.privatepaste.com/9c3826f89c |
| 10:02.24 | John80 | themill: thats /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 10:03.18 | Good-maN | John80: I think you miss NameVirtualHost *:80 bevore the VirtualHost directive (NameVirtualHost: 192.168.1.238:80) |
| 10:03.20 | pfarrell | does anyone know anything about making a debian package out of some python? I am having some pycentral|pysupport confusion |
| 10:03.57 | John80 | Good-maN: in which conf should I add that now? |
| 10:04.18 | themill | Good-maN, John80: that's already in ports.conf |
| 10:04.36 | Good-maN | Oh thanks themill |
| 10:04.42 | themill | John80: apache vhost config now looks like: http://www.privatepaste.com/63faf9c825 |
| 10:05.00 | John80 | themill: thats all? |
| 10:05.38 | themill | John80: well, that and whatever else you want to configure. That's the minimum. The important bits of that paste are the VirtualHost and ServerName/ServerAlias directives |
| 10:06.15 | John80 | ok got it |
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| 10:27.07 | superlinux | hi . how can i upload videos to youtube from a linux application? not from the browser, of course. |
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| 10:34.17 | John80 | I would like to have all dirs inside /home/mynick/WWW to have as group mynick:www-data instead of mynick:mynick - how can I do this? |
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| 10:34.33 | talin | i am updating debian from etch to lenny. i have done aptitude dist-upgrade. in the next part of the documentation, it says taht i should upgrade my kernel. in order to check if it has already been installed, i am supposed to type "dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii"... and when i do, i see two occurences... both seem to be 2.6.18. and then the docs say what to do if they don't appear... but they did appear. what does that mean? and those kernel versions seem kind of |
| 10:34.42 | cast | chown user:grp f |
| 10:35.23 | inCre | Hello, im trying to get IMQ recompiled into my debian lenny 2.6.26 - can anyway give me a fully guide? ive googled it but i cant get them to work |
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| 10:36.24 | themill | talin: can you pastebin the output of that command |
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| 10:38.35 | ThoMe | hiho |
| 10:38.37 | ThoMe | I am looking for a DNS server where you can adjust that for hosts, automatically without domain (test), a DNS suffix is added, for example: test.bla.com |
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| 10:39.47 | talin | themill: yes, here is the output: http://codepad.org/qO6LnhKp |
| 10:40.17 | ThoMe | On my phone (nokia), I can't a dns suffix :-( |
| 10:41.21 | themill | talin: that looks quite fine. You have the linux-image-2.6-686 package installed which means that your kernel will be upgraded automagically during the upgrade process |
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| 10:41.46 | talin | themill: oh. according to the guide it seems like i've come to the end... will it change kernels when i boot then? |
| 10:42.38 | themill | talin: ummm... no. There's something not quite right there at all |
| 10:43.17 | Good-maN | John80: You mean that new files have mynick:www-data, then you need to set sgid to the directory |
| 10:43.36 | John80 | Good-maN: yes, how thats what i look for |
| 10:43.38 | themill | talin: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 10:43.39 | talin | themill: oh wait. i only ran the dist upgrade test i think... with -yu -s -f etc |
| 10:43.51 | themill | talin: ahh.. that sounds more like it |
| 10:43.59 | talin | themill: i did the safe-upgrade part |
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| 10:44.21 | John80 | Good-maN: any idea how? |
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| 10:45.22 | talin | themill: hmm, i get the name when i run dpkg now |
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| 10:48.32 | Good-maN | John80: Yeah sure i said you but ok again (sorry my english sucks), the best is you read this nicku.org/ossi/lab/suid-sgid/suid-sgid.pdf but the short answer is chown g+s /your/dir |
| 10:50.00 | talin | themill: weird, it didn't do anything it seems. it's still the same old kernel |
| 10:50.35 | themill | talin: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg aptitude perl" for me? |
| 10:50.39 | talin | hmm. when i boot from rescue CD, mount filesystems and chroot to them... do i need to do "source something"? |
| 10:51.05 | John80 | Good-maN: thanks a loit |
| 10:51.06 | John80 | lot |
| 10:53.00 | Good-maN | John80: gladly :) |
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| 10:53.57 | talin | themill: oki, booting it now |
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| 10:55.17 | John80 | Good-maN: something incorrect with syntax |
| 10:55.33 | John80 | chown g+s /home/mydomain/WWW - where should i place which user? |
| 10:55.53 | Good-maN | John80: give me i second i test it |
| 10:56.25 | joel_ | Hi, i am having problems trying to install Debian Lenny in a Dell server that has SATA harddisks, the installer does not detect them |
| 10:57.26 | Good-maN | John80: ohhh dont sorry chmod g+s /directory |
| 10:58.25 | John80 | ah yep thanks |
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| 11:02.08 | inCre | Hello, im trying to get IMQ recompiled into my debian lenny 2.6.26 - can anyone give me a fully guide? ive googled it, but the guides seems outdated. |
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| 11:04.57 | talin | i am running debian rescue... i can't open editors because it says "error opening terminal: bterm"... which editor can i use? i tried with "vi" which actually starts, but it bugs horribly because it doesn't recognize my keyboard or something |
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| 11:05.28 | inCre | try vim |
| 11:05.54 | inCre | remember to push "insert" first |
| 11:07.41 | cast | talin: sed. |
| 11:08.07 | talin | i do get a lot of "can't write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 11:08.08 | Riviera | ed maybe |
| 11:08.10 | talin | i hope that's not critical |
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| 11:09.52 | Riviera | Maybe try "mount /dev/pts" |
| 11:10.13 | cast | Riviera: what? |
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| 11:10.33 | Riviera | cast: "what?"? |
| 11:10.37 | Riviera | cast: it would not work? |
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| 11:10.50 | cast | Riviera: whatever would that do? |
| 11:11.11 | Riviera | cast: it might mount /dev/pts |
| 11:11.35 | cast | tell me if it works ;) |
| 11:11.56 | talin | themill: hmm, i found an error when running aptitude dist-upgrade... it says: errors were encountered while processing: /cdrom//pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2.686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb |
| 11:11.59 | Riviera | well, I cannot test it right now, but I think I did this before. Might be wrong, of course. |
| 11:12.08 | talin | cast, Riviera: didn't work |
| 11:12.12 | Riviera | talin: sorry ;) |
| 11:12.18 | talin | Riviera: np :) |
| 11:12.29 | talin | themill: not the double slash after /cdrom |
| 11:12.36 | talin | themill: err, *note |
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| 11:14.55 | talin | i have only mounted dvd1... i hope the kernel exists there |
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| 11:19.29 | joel_ | Hi, i am having problems trying to install Debian Lenny in a Dell server that has SATA harddisks, the installer does not detect them |
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| 11:22.37 | inCre | Hello, im trying to get IMQ recompiled into my debian lenny 2.6.26 - can anyone give me a fully guide? ive googled it, but the guides seems outdated. |
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| 11:25.23 | talin | when i run aptitude safe-update, is it possible to specify where to look for a specific .deb file? because it tried to find the kernel on /cdrom//pool/main/l/blahblah... and i think that double slash it making it fail |
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| 11:27.59 | talin | perhaps i can install that one using dpkg manually |
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| 11:42.18 | talin | when i try to: dpkg --install /cdrom/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-21_i386.deb, i get "debconf: whiptail output the above errors, giving up!. ok, arborting since modules for this image already exist. dpkg errer processing /cdrom/.../linux-image...deb |
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| 11:47.33 | Raphi974 | Hi everyone |
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| 11:49.00 | Raphi974 | I'm trying to install a Debian Lenny on my netbook. But the installer can't find any cdrom. Normal, because i'm installing from an usb stick |
| 11:49.08 | Raphi974 | But it won't go further |
| 11:49.12 | Raphi974 | Someone can help me ? |
| 11:49.30 | sep | rapacity, witch of the 2 methods of usbstick booting from the install manual do you use ? |
| 11:49.39 | sep | sorry was for Raphi974 |
| 11:50.06 | Raphi974 | sep, i tried graphical expert install |
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| 11:50.24 | Raphi974 | sep, i used unetbootin to copy the iso on my usb stick |
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| 11:51.47 | Raphi974 | sep, any idea ? |
| 11:51.55 | sep | sounds like you might have the wrong initrd or some such ting. it should look for iso file on the stickl |
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| 11:52.25 | Raphi974 | sep, yep, and i tried the zcat method, but it doesn't boot |
| 11:55.07 | Raphi974 | sep, any idea ? |
| 11:55.17 | sep | i only used the netboot installer never had a iso on stick,. needed network |
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| 11:56.07 | sep | try to recreate the stick ? sounds like you use the netboot initrd but have a iso on the stick. that's not working iirc. |
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| 11:57.24 | Raphi974 | i'll try the netinst from the usbstick |
| 11:58.24 | natulmith | Raphi974, you need to zcat the boot.img.gz to usb and then cp sone netinst.iso onto usb |
| 11:58.31 | natulmith | s/sone/some |
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| 12:00.30 | natulmith | Raphi974, here's an example for stable: http://paste.debian.net/59578 |
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| 12:10.00 | Raphi974 | *back |
| 12:10.43 | Raphi974 | sep, i tried the netinst of squeeze, but when i have to choose the mirror. None of them works, it says that they don't support Squeeze :/ |
| 12:11.00 | sep | Raphi974, try a different mirror |
| 12:11.14 | sep | oh none works ? |
| 12:11.16 | Raphi974 | sep, i tried like a dozon of them |
| 12:11.18 | sep | umm dont know.. |
| 12:11.22 | Raphi974 | dozen |
| 12:11.24 | sep | never had that problem |
| 12:11.34 | Raphi974 | sep, french and US mirror :/ |
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| 12:12.04 | Devastator | I had the same problem, install lenny then /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 12:12.35 | Raphi974 | ok, i'll try the netinst of lenny |
| 12:13.00 | natulmith | Raphi974, here's an example for squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/59578 |
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| 12:15.52 | Kottizen | Which is the best/easiest to setup mailserver for Debian? |
| 12:16.14 | petemc | exim4 and postfix both work well |
| 12:16.19 | streuner_ | if you have to ask, just use a smarthost |
| 12:16.36 | Kottizen | petemc: thanks |
| 12:16.37 | streuner_ | !smarthost |
| 12:16.38 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
| 12:17.06 | streuner_ | we have enough open relays... |
| 12:17.38 | Kottizen | I think I'll fix a real server. |
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| 12:18.19 | talin | apt-get -f install ... that one also gives me an error related to linux-image.2.6.26... any idea how i can manage to install that package? |
| 12:19.07 | streuner_ | talin: please pastebin the command and the whole error |
| 12:19.24 | Kottizen | http://pastebin.com/txwkXm0W <-- How do I solve that? |
| 12:19.53 | petemc | Kottizen: cant you read? |
| 12:20.04 | Kottizen | petemc: ? |
| 12:20.12 | petemc | it clearly tells you the problem |
| 12:20.16 | Kottizen | yes |
| 12:20.20 | Kottizen | hostname error |
| 12:20.26 | Kottizen | but i don't know how to solve it |
| 12:21.05 | evilmquin | Kottizen: Does that string appear in /etc/postfix/main.cf ? If not try checking /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 12:21.13 | talin | streuner_: imgur.com/ndq60 |
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| 12:21.46 | talin | streuner_: full command was "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 12:22.11 | natulmith | Kottizen, is this the hostname: KottNet..kotte? shouldn't have only 1(one) dot, as in KottNet.kotte? |
| 12:22.37 | Kottizen | hm |
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| 12:22.42 | Kottizen | it should just be KottNet |
| 12:22.42 | Kottizen | oO |
| 12:22.44 | Kottizen | i'll check |
| 12:22.45 | Kottizen | in the files |
| 12:22.48 | Kottizen | hi evilmquin btw. |
| 12:23.06 | streuner_ | talin: are you able to read? |
| 12:23.28 | streuner_ | talin: (the error message told you exactly whats missing...) |
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| 12:23.57 | Kottizen | in /etc/hostname |
| 12:23.58 | Kottizen | it says |
| 12:24.01 | Kottizen | "Kottnet" |
| 12:24.26 | talin | streuner_: did you see the "errors while processing /cdrom/.../linux-image-2.6.26..."? |
| 12:24.27 | Kottizen | in /etc/hosts it did not |
| 12:24.29 | Kottizen | i've changed that |
| 12:24.36 | streuner_ | talin: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of..." |
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| 12:25.44 | evilmquin | Kottizen: another thing to check - what does 'hostname -f' return? |
| 12:25.46 | streuner_ | talin: "... however Package linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 is not installed." |
| 12:25.57 | Kottizen | KottNet |
| 12:26.04 | Kottizen | evilmquin: i changed in /etc/hosts and saved |
| 12:26.14 | Kottizen | it's saved, but postfix didn't see the change |
| 12:26.17 | talin | streuner_: yes, and when i try to dpkg --install that one, i get "errors while processing" |
| 12:26.17 | Kottizen | i reinstalled postfix |
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| 12:28.19 | natulmith | Kottizen, reload postfix? |
| 12:28.39 | Kottizen | wiie |
| 12:28.45 | Kottizen | it works now, thank you all! |
| 12:28.49 | evilmquin | \o/ |
| 12:29.10 | natulmith | talin how you got this problem? what where you installing anyway? |
| 12:29.12 | Kottizen | i don't know how the two dots + kotte came in the hostname |
| 12:29.19 | fireba11 | hi, for our buildserver i would like to install 32-bit sun JDK on 64-bit debian. the way described with fakeroot and java-package doesn't seem to work anymore. how do i do that the clean way (tm) ? |
| 12:29.20 | streuner_ | talin: lenny? |
| 12:29.56 | streuner_ | talin: please show us your sources.list in pastebin.com |
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| 12:33.13 | anonissimus | I am trying to allow a remote host to use my server for syslog |
| 12:33.35 | anonissimus | and the instructions I found tell me to change syslogd_option |
| 12:33.57 | anonissimus | but in the sysklogd there is no such value |
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| 12:35.25 | beli | anonissimus: what syslog daemon are you using? |
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| 12:36.21 | talin | streuner_: yes, i am upgrading from etch to lenny. ok, i will paste it |
| 12:36.34 | talin | streuner_: though it only uses the CD-ROM since this computer is not online |
| 12:36.40 | talin | natulmith: upgrading from etch to lenny |
| 12:37.38 | streuner_ | dpkg, +tell talin -about etch->lenny |
| 12:37.40 | dpkg | told talin about etch->lenny. |
| 12:37.57 | streuner_ | talin: please read release notes too |
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| 12:41.04 | fireba11 | hm .. according to packages.debian.org lenny got a sun-java6-jdk in non-free. i added non-free to sources and updated but i still can't find it. tips? |
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| 12:43.32 | thrashold | When I do dpkg-reconfigure <some package> what does it do? |
| 12:43.59 | azeem_ | it runs the debconf scripts, if there are any |
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| 12:44.10 | anonissimus | beli: how do I find out what version I am using? |
| 12:44.18 | fireba11 | ah, my bad ... found it |
| 12:44.25 | joltcan | anonissimus: dpkg -l |grep syslog? |
| 12:44.26 | azeem_ | anonissimus: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:45.26 | thrashold | azeem_: Thanks. Does it run something else? Like .postinst configure or something? The package doesn't seem to have a debconf script, and I want to know what runs :) |
| 12:45.44 | anonissimus | 5.0.4 |
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| 12:46.40 | romgo | Hi guys, I would like to create a local mirror of debian-volatile project, can I use ftpsync to achieve this ? |
| 12:46.50 | azeem_ | thrashold: no, it runs the debconf scripts |
| 12:47.41 | thrashold | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/182979/ I'm trying to find out what gives this error |
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| 12:48.40 | thrashold | grep Building\ for . -R |
| 12:48.43 | thrashold | oops, wrong window |
| 12:48.54 | talin | streuner_: i have read htem, and i followed the instructions |
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| 12:53.29 | beli | anonissimus: look into your log files ;) what version of debian are you using? |
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| 12:55.12 | beli | anonissimus: you basically need to enable remote logging by giving the syslog daemon some startup options |
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| 12:56.08 | talin | grrr... something prevents the linux-image-2.6-686 package from installing. i think it's some dependency, but i can't figure out which one... |
| 12:56.10 | beli | anonissimus: edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the line SYSLOGD="" to sth. like SYSLOGD="-r" or "-r -m0" or whatever you need |
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| 12:56.48 | beli | anonissimus: then restart the syslog daemon.... /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
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| 12:58.39 | beli | anonissimus: but doing remote logging think of security...think of host restrictions and crypted logging |
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| 12:59.36 | thrashold | If I install virtualbox, which devices should I chgrp to my group to be able to use it as useR? |
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| 13:00.07 | hiromicahn | Hi guys |
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| 13:00.54 | hiromicahn | I have quesion for i18n utf-8 , would anyone help me? |
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| 13:01.44 | natulmith | !ask |
| 13:01.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:02.07 | anonissimus | beli: I edited /etc/default/syslogd |
| 13:02.14 | streuner_ | talin: good, just run the postinst script of the packages and make it more verbose |
| 13:02.15 | anonissimus | and now I am receiving all the messages |
| 13:02.45 | hiromicahn | natulmith: thanks , i'm beginner in this channel |
| 13:03.03 | streuner_ | talin: add a "+x" in that script |
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| 13:04.00 | talin | streuner_: what script is that? |
| 13:04.43 | hiromicahn | I am trying to use /usr/share/i18n/locales/* copied , then it seems to work correct , but format is utf-8 code not string. |
| 13:04.53 | streuner_ | talin: usually /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst, but for kernel-packages it lives somewhere else, IIRC |
| 13:05.50 | streuner_ | talin: its prolly in the package itself, if thats the case, just ar x the deb and run it then with "+x" |
| 13:05.51 | hiromicahn | such as U**** , i had tried convert it to &#**** then displayed fine in html |
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| 13:06.39 | hiromicahn | the files can be converted , but it is better way to use these ? |
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| 13:07.07 | _KaszpiR_ | hmm i'm getting errors when trying to run samba 3.2.5 |
| 13:07.20 | _KaszpiR_ | INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 6 in pid 12830 (3.2.5) |
| 13:07.35 | streuner_ | judd, versions samba |
| 13:07.38 | judd | samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny7; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.3-1~bpo50+2; sid: 2:3.4.5~dfsg-2; squeeze: 2:3.4.5~dfsg-2; experimental: 2:3.5.0~rc3~dfsg-1 |
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| 13:09.13 | natulmith | hiromicahn, what exactly you want to do? |
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| 13:09.26 | joel_ | i'm trying to install a kmuto image of lenny but it gives me this error: No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by.... anyone has any idea? |
| 13:09.31 | thrashold | Why was the vboxusers group removed, and how do I get VirtualBox work without it? |
| 13:09.37 | talin | streuner_: when i ar x, i get a control.tar.gz, data.tar.gz and a file called debian-binary |
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| 13:10.01 | awd3d | hello |
| 13:10.15 | streuner_ | talin: look into control.tar.g |
| 13:10.21 | streuner_ | talin: look into control.tar.gz |
| 13:10.52 | awd3d | I'd like to ask a question regarding wifi connections in Debian |
| 13:11.03 | natulmith | !ask |
| 13:11.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:11.22 | awd3d | is there support for usb wifi devices in debian? |
| 13:11.59 | hiromicahn | natulmith: I am using framework that need the files to use i18n. but I try what his manual said , but displayed strings are just the code , I except it as utf-8 multibyte string. |
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| 13:12.16 | ttyX | awd3d: hardware support is a kernel issue |
| 13:12.22 | cahoot | awd3d: yes - but might depend on the specific device |
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| 13:12.33 | natulmith | awd3d, pastebin the output of lsusb |
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| 13:13.43 | _KaszpiR_ | gonna try etch release |
| 13:13.43 | awd3d | I am currently not sitting before the system so I cant provide that info, but I have a TP-link usb stick, and as I know it has athereos chip |
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| 13:13.57 | awd3d | oh ugy látom magyarok is tévednek ide :) |
| 13:13.58 | talin | streuner_: is there a way to try to install a different kernel or something? because this 2.6.26 has some dependencies (i don't know which) and i can't find a way around it |
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| 13:14.29 | streuner_ | talin: well, you have already a kernel installed... |
| 13:14.44 | talin | streuner_: yes, the 2.6.18 which doesn't work |
| 13:14.46 | hiromicahn | The locales file should be used by debian's system ? I have no idea |
| 13:14.53 | streuner_ | talin: why? |
| 13:15.10 | talin | streuner_: the reason i'm upgrading it because the old one can't find my scsi controller, which is apparently a bug in that kernel |
| 13:15.14 | awd3d | I will take a look on it, I will check with windows drivers |
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| 13:16.49 | streuner_ | talin: ok, just a wild guess/try, just delete kernel-packages of 2.6.26 and run apt-get update |
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| 13:17.26 | craigevil | isnt 2.6.18 etch? while 2.6.26 is lenny |
| 13:17.31 | streuner_ | talin: after that, just install via apt-get the package which is needed as depends first |
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| 13:17.34 | hiromicahn | It is not debian thing ? should i go other correct channel? |
| 13:17.52 | streuner_ | craigevil: yes, he want upgrade to lenny... |
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| 13:18.36 | talin | streuner_: where can i find a list of what it depends on? |
| 13:18.48 | awd3d | thx for help |
| 13:18.54 | talin | streuner_: i found someone else struggling with missing initramfs-tools and module-init-tools... |
| 13:19.02 | talin | streuner_: but i already have the latest versions of those |
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| 13:19.15 | streuner_ | talin: hm |
| 13:20.09 | streuner_ | talin: i mean, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 13:21.23 | talin | streuner_: "dpkg: error processing /cdrom/.../linux-image...deb" |
| 13:21.37 | talin | streuner_: "aborting, since modules for this image already exists" |
| 13:21.41 | streuner_ | talin: so you arent online with this box? |
| 13:22.28 | talin | streuner_: no. i can only use the DVD |
| 13:22.53 | talin | streuner_: it could be some glibc problem or something |
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| 13:23.39 | streuner_ | Debian makes really fun with internet |
| 13:23.51 | streuner_ | but without it doesnt... |
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| 13:26.20 | talin | streuner_: is there a way to get more output from the apt-get install? "errors were encountered while processing" doens't tell me much |
| 13:26.25 | ttyX | any chance of changing text color in console? |
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| 13:27.14 | ttyX | talin: try aptitude instead as it throws more meianingful errors |
| 13:27.22 | ttyX | meaningful* |
| 13:28.07 | streuner_ | talin, depends. errors? |
| 13:28.23 | streuner_ | talin, that should be enough? |
| 13:28.28 | talin | streuner_, ttyX: i will post a screenshot (can't copy from this crappy console) |
| 13:28.37 | ttyX | to change text color in sonsole I have to edit bashrc is it? |
| 13:28.42 | ttyX | console* |
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| 13:29.30 | talin | streuner_, ttyX: http://imgur.com/AR2go |
| 13:29.31 | ronssoa | what's the command to update the rc? |
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| 13:30.03 | ttyX | talin: im on the console too :P |
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| 13:30.59 | cahoot | ttyX: look for bash prompt howto |
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| 13:31.16 | beli | someone here has a working imagemap ext for me? |
| 13:31.22 | beli | sww |
| 13:31.42 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/61576/ -- what in hell would cause that? |
| 13:31.46 | jae | Anyone here with experience with ajaxterm? |
| 13:31.57 | jae | (Don't really expect this to be the case...) |
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| 13:32.03 | RichiH | the package bacula from lenny-backports disappears mysteriously |
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| 13:37.05 | ronssoa | my system indicates i am running squeeze/sid. what is this, soe |
| 13:37.13 | ronssoa | something between the two? |
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| 13:38.05 | talin | when i have run "aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade" (using lenny DVD on an etch box, and the kernel-install fails), is it too late to go back to etch and try to upgrade etch to a more recent kernel instead? |
| 13:38.18 | lucascarvalho | how can I fix path issues when you build a .deb? |
| 13:38.33 | talin | it seems to be a problem a lot of people are running into... so apparently the etch -> lenny part is giving a lot of people trouble... |
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| 13:40.25 | streuner_ | talin: if so, it would be in BTS then... |
| 13:40.58 | talin | streuner_: well, google finds a lot of identical cases anyway |
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| 13:41.48 | streuner_ | talin: are you able to delete kernel packages of 2.6.26? |
| 13:41.49 | talin | /boot/grub/menu.lst says: root (hd0, 0) and kernel = /boot/vmlinuz-xxx root=/dev/sda1 |
| 13:42.01 | aburch | lucascarvalho: What path issues? Also #debian-mentors on OFTC might be more helpful |
| 13:42.08 | streuner_ | talin: sounds ok to me |
| 13:42.10 | talin | streuner_: yes, when i delete it, the errors produced by apt-get -f install disappear |
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| 13:42.28 | streuner_ | talin: well, use dpkg then |
| 13:42.44 | talin | streuner_: i tried to use dpkg to install that package directly |
| 13:42.55 | streuner_ | no, just to remove |
| 13:43.29 | talin | streuner_: ok. i did remove it already |
| 13:43.29 | lucascarvalho | aburch: per example, if you into your debian package you compile something and it created .so such .so refers to the path when it was compiled. not where it will be instaled by debian package! Did you undertstand? |
| 13:43.35 | streuner_ | talin: How about internet, can you go with this box online and why you arent in internet with this box? |
| 13:43.40 | sanjoyd | I have been trying to install the Nvidia drivers using m-a-a-i nvidia but am getting this (http://pastebin.com/iYDp1S5N) error out of which I cannot make out anything. Please help. |
| 13:44.09 | talin | streuner_: it's inside a company network, on a switch that doesn't have its VLAN on the trunk for security reasons |
| 13:44.33 | aburch | lucascarvalho: Then it probably depends on the build system upstream uses. Either you have to pass some flags or patch something. |
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| 13:45.04 | streuner_ | talin: is the DVD the latest of lenny? |
| 13:45.23 | streuner_ | talin: i mean debian 5.0.4? |
| 13:45.46 | talin | streuner_: yes, it's 5.0.4 |
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| 13:45.53 | kesnol | saluda al canal |
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| 13:50.19 | lucascarvalho | aburch: could you give me some example of which FLAG should be define to change such path? |
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| 13:50.59 | umarzuki | anyone knows the name of the sound applet on gnome panel? |
| 13:51.04 | vargadanis | I have set up a small DNS Bind9 server in a VM on my lan. I have added a non-registered domain (tld.tld) just to see if it worked. I have added the IP of the nameserver to the resolv.conf file but nslookup still failes. netstat -ul is whoing that bind is up and running |
| 13:51.07 | vargadanis | did I miss something? |
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| 13:54.46 | aburch | lucascarvalho: I don't think that it helps much, but btanks uses "scons prefix=/usr resources_dir=/usr/share/games/btanks plugins_dir=/usr/lib/btanks lib_dir=/usr/lib/btanks" for example. |
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| 13:55.42 | aburch | lucascarvalho: (Though I'm not sure where it would look for plugins otherwise) |
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| 13:55.51 | talin | if i run aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude dist-upgrade and those fail on the kernel part, such that i can't boot the new kernel... what's the best alternative solution? could i download and install the kernel that's supposed to come with lenny from a CD? |
| 13:56.04 | talin | the userland upgrade works fine |
| 13:56.36 | xayon | kesnol: In oftc... this is freenode! lol |
| 13:57.04 | xayon | kesnol: wrong debian channel :D And I see your "/me" now. I lol'd |
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| 14:04.54 | themill | talin: can you run "aptitude upgrade ; aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" and pastebin the results? |
| 14:05.07 | themill | err.. "aptitude update ; aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" |
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| 14:06.06 | umarzuki | on squeeze, how do i use empathy to use ym protocol? |
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| 14:06.23 | talin | themill: hmm, i deleted a bunch of modules in /lib/modules and now i managed to install |
| 14:06.33 | jvogel | hi |
| 14:06.35 | jvogel | can someone help me |
| 14:06.40 | jvogel | my system locked up and then when i rebooted |
| 14:06.45 | jvogel | fsck failed |
| 14:07.08 | themill | talin: you umm... like to do things the interesting way, don't you |
| 14:07.18 | jvogel | now i'm in like recovery shell or something??? it said to run fsck .. but when i type fsck it says don't run it cause it's a live filesystem |
| 14:07.20 | jvogel | what should i do? |
| 14:07.23 | jvogel | am i not typing it right |
| 14:07.44 | josephg | jvogel: have you got any rescue cd like knoppix or ubuntu or etc? |
| 14:07.50 | jvogel | yes of course |
| 14:07.53 | jvogel | but i dont know how to use it |
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| 14:08.22 | josephg | you shouldn't try to mess about with live fs |
| 14:08.39 | josephg | shutdown your system, and reboot with the live cd |
| 14:08.48 | jvogel | and then what |
| 14:08.56 | jvogel | im pretty sure this ha shappend before |
| 14:08.58 | jvogel | but i dont know what i did |
| 14:09.01 | jvogel | should i jsut reboot again? |
| 14:09.01 | josephg | then fsck your disk |
| 14:09.12 | jvogel | what do i type |
| 14:09.18 | jvogel | fsck /dev/sda ? |
| 14:09.21 | josephg | what live cd have you got |
| 14:09.47 | jvogel | i got lots |
| 14:09.49 | jvogel | ubuntu |
| 14:09.56 | josephg | what was the message asking you to fsck? |
| 14:10.13 | jvogel | said |
| 14:10.20 | jvogel | boot:; UNEXPECT INCONSIsTENTCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY |
| 14:10.26 | jvogel | fsck died with exit status 4 |
| 14:10.39 | jvogel | File system check failed, log being saved to blah blha |
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| 14:11.28 | WormFood | jvogel, it should tell you more than that? did it say the superblock is in the future? |
| 14:12.04 | WormFood | jvogel, if your time is not set "right", it will give you that error EVERY TIME you boot |
| 14:13.07 | josephg | i'd boot with ubuntu live cd. then get into shell prompt. you probably don't even need to start x. yes [sudo] fsck /dev/sda[0|1|2|...] what ever is your (root) |
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| 14:13.14 | jvogel | WormFood: this is abnormal tho |
| 14:13.17 | jvogel | my system CRASHED |
| 14:13.19 | jvogel | adn then ir ebooted |
| 14:13.24 | jvogel | and it hadn't checked file system in 21 days |
| 14:13.24 | WormFood | I had the same problem...turns out I have my hardware clock set to utc...and for some crazy reason, debian decided it was set to local time....once I told Liunx my hardware clock is set to utc, all is good |
| 14:13.31 | jvogel | file system check was tkaing forever so i cancelled it |
| 14:13.36 | jvogel | then i had these problems... |
| 14:13.41 | WormFood | yeah |
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| 14:13.58 | WormFood | you have to let fsck run, all the way through...then reboot...all should be good |
| 14:14.06 | WormFood | also, double check your RTC settings. |
| 14:14.08 | jvogel | thats what i just *Tried* to do |
| 14:14.10 | jvogel | and Fsck failed |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | unless it's really broken |
| 14:14.21 | josephg | yes, you shouldn't interrupt fsck particularly if it is writing |
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| 14:14.29 | WormFood | you said you canceled it |
| 14:14.31 | jvogel | well |
| 14:14.31 | jvogel | i did |
| 14:14.33 | jvogel | because |
| 14:14.35 | jvogel | i had tod o something |
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| 14:14.41 | chaochao | lol |
| 14:14.43 | jvogel | lol |
| 14:14.45 | jvogel | :| |
| 14:14.49 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:14.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:14.51 | jvogel | i have never fsck'd this computer |
| 14:14.57 | jvogel | it's about 6 months old |
| 14:15.00 | cahoot | until now |
| 14:15.00 | WormFood | ok....now go run fsck again....and don't cancel it |
| 14:15.09 | jvogel | I DID THAT MAN |
| 14:15.11 | jvogel | and it failed! |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | jvogel: LESS ENTER KEY |
| 14:15.20 | WormFood | failed with what? |
| 14:15.25 | WormFood | what error message? |
| 14:15.32 | jvogel | 09:10 < jvogel> boot:; UNEXPECT INCONSIsTENTCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY |
| 14:15.34 | jvogel | 09:10 < jvogel> fsck died with exit status 4 |
| 14:15.53 | abrotman | so do that .. it tells you what to do .. what part of this is confusing? |
| 14:15.54 | WormFood | it said to run it MANUALLY |
| 14:15.58 | jvogel | lol |
| 14:16.03 | jvogel | fsck died.. |
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| 14:16.08 | jvogel | doesnt' that mean FAIL |
| 14:16.11 | WormFood | you're saying you ran it manually, and it gives you an error? WHAT ERROR MESSAGE? |
| 14:16.15 | josephg | jvogel: you can't fsck your root filesystem, when you have booted into it! |
| 14:16.17 | abrotman | jvogel: lay off that damn enter key .. |
| 14:16.40 | WormFood | josephg, not true, you can if it is in read-only mode |
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| 14:17.04 | talin | it works now... thanks a lot for the help guys |
| 14:17.05 | WormFood | jvogel, RUN FSCK _MANUALLY_ |
| 14:17.06 | josephg | WormFood: true |
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| 14:17.56 | WormFood | jvogel, when you boot, and it runs fsck, if it finds problems, it will usually dump you to a shell, or reboot (upon presenting root password)....then you can run it manually |
| 14:18.10 | WormFood | if you didn't run it manually, then quit saying it failed, until it fails when you manually run it. |
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| 14:19.16 | josephg | if that's the case WormFood, jvogel has nothing to worry about... :-) |
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| 14:20.59 | WormFood | I think his real problem is he does not understand this details of this aspect of how the system works. |
| 14:21.18 | joel_ | anyone has installed kmuto images!? |
| 14:21.23 | WormFood | I think he is expecting it to be more automated |
| 14:21.43 | WormFood | joel_, I'm sure *someone* has installed it |
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| 14:21.51 | abrotman | joel_: lots of people |
| 14:22.20 | josephg | hehe, his comp crashed, it auto started fsck and since it was taking a while, he pulled the plug |
| 14:22.21 | sanjoyd | Installing nvidia-glx seems to remove xserver-xorg, preventing me from logging in again. |
| 14:23.00 | joel_ | because i am trying to installed but it keeps saying me that there was an error, a kernel mismatch between the kernel used by this installer and by the one that is in the archive, and i can't no go further in the installation process neither load any additional drivers (for my nic for example) |
| 14:23.25 | brbrbr | warmly greet everyone |
| 14:23.58 | sanjoyd | Am getting very confused. How am I supposed to install nvidia-glx if installing it removes xorg. |
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| 14:29.20 | joel_ | abrotman, have you? |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | joel_: moment, phone |
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| 14:34.08 | _KaszpiR_ | sorry, cound't resist ;D |
| 14:35.01 | alfatau | hello, i installed a command line debian lenny. now i would want to connect with my external 56k dialup modem, but i'm always getting the error pppd "Remote message: Autentication failed" even if i used the same user/passwd i'm using now to connect here. what can i do? thank you for your attention |
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| 14:37.20 | Dark-Star | is it generally safe (for a non-production server) to use debian-sid? I really want more up-to-date packages than the ones in lenny... |
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| 14:42.16 | silidan | hi i wonder i could find libjpeg6.2, 7 and 8.0 in debian sids repos but only the dev packages for 6.2 and 8.0 couldnt find the 7.0 dev package, any clue why? or how to ge a dev package for 7.0 ? |
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| 14:46.05 | n8w | anyone willin to help me out with settin up python environment in kubuntu? |
| 14:47.50 | n8w | env lists the correct path but the installer doesnt care about it |
| 14:48.47 | n8w | it keeps tellin me that i should set the correct path,even though i have set it up already |
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| 14:53.35 | gothenburg | Hello World |
| 14:53.45 | giver89 | Hola, alguien me puede decir que tengo que modificar para que al crear un usuario se me una directamente a los grupos por defecto que quiero? |
| 14:54.16 | gothenburg | giver89: är du säker? Ta på dig en flytväst i så fall.. |
| 14:54.37 | giver89 | whats?:S |
| 14:54.56 | gothenburg | I don't understand espanol |
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| 14:55.20 | gothenburg | I understand Swedish and English |
| 14:55.24 | silidan | hi i wonder i could find libjpeg6.2, 7 and 8.0 in debian sids repos but only the dev packages for 6.2 and 8.0 couldnt find the 7.0 dev package, any clue why? or how to ge a dev package for 7.0 ? |
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| 14:56.02 | gothenburg | silidan: do you have googled, don't know the page |
| 14:56.05 | gothenburg | but h |
| 14:56.16 | gothenburg | there is a page with a lot of debian packages |
| 14:56.20 | gothenburg | and description |
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| 14:56.48 | giver89 | What changed for a new user automatically joins a specific group? |
| 14:57.36 | TZug | hello all |
| 14:57.37 | themill | giver89: see /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 14:57.37 | Administrateur | Bonjour y a t'il des Français sur le serveur ? ^ |
| 14:57.40 | wols | !fr |
| 14:57.40 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:58.38 | gothenburg | !es |
| 14:58.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:58.48 | gothenburg | !se |
| 14:58.48 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 14:59.11 | TZug | I have a debian system with a working lpt-card with moschip 9815 (2-LPT) I cutted it in half, cause I didn't needed the external connector, but now, for testing purposes I need an additional internal port and wanted to use another (cutted) moschip 9815 card |
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| 15:00.09 | silidan | gothenburg: yes googled it oculdnt ifnd a dev package for it... maybe cause it is considered obsolete in th description of the package... |
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| 15:00.44 | gothenburg | ok |
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| 15:01.10 | TZug | both of this cards are listed /IRQ16 IRQ18 but only the one with IRQ18 gets the standard adresses 0xe000 / 0xe800 the other one has adresses 0x0 / 0x0 can I somehow trick and push the system to only use the internal (second) LPT on both cards? |
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| 15:01.59 | wols | TZug: ressource allocation in PCI is automatic, a function of hardware. it happened in BIOS already |
| 15:01.59 | joel_ | anybody has experienced problems with kmuto image about kernel mismatch? |
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| 15:03.16 | TZug | wols: an idear how to set this inside the bios then? (even possible?) |
| 15:03.19 | wols | joel_: what did you do? used the kmuto kernel and a normal lenny installer iso? |
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| 15:04.04 | wols | TZug: IRQs can be set, sometimes. never seen anything aboit I/O ranges. but since each card has a assigned irq, it could be the driver for your chip is crappy and can't deal with 2 cards at once |
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| 15:04.40 | wols | and therefore simply uses 0x0 for the 2nd one. in which case you'd have to either speak to the developer of the module or patch it yourself if you can |
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| 15:05.17 | TZug | wols: I don't want to use parport or similar to access the cards/adresses |
| 15:05.58 | wols | there is a driver for the moschip 9815 chip, right? |
| 15:06.32 | TZug | wols: no, its handled by normal parport |
| 15:06.36 | wols | btw: http://www.moschip.com/data/products/NM9815/Data%20Sheet_9815.pdf look there under PCI Ressource allocation. the chip has an eeprom. if you are lucky you can disable the 2nd port there |
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| 15:07.01 | wols | normal parport doesn't use irq15. and it sure as heck doesn't use 0xe000 for IO |
| 15:07.43 | wols | parport uses irq 7 or so and ISA range I/O. 0x378 (that was hercules cards parport but you get the idea) |
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| 15:08.07 | wols | the original parport on IBM clones that is. the one which happened to be on the mobo |
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| 15:09.27 | urezki | is away: Gone away for now |
| 15:09.40 | wols | urezki: please disable your away message |
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| 15:09.50 | n8w | could anyone help me out with "source .bashrc" command? |
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| 15:10.03 | wols | n8w: ask your real question instead |
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| 15:10.39 | TZug | wols: that I know the both external cards are listed under IRQ16 and 18, and using one card, lpt2 has 0xe800 and lpt3 has 0xe000 and I can access both of the ports that way, but adding an aditional card poth ports where assigned 0x0 / 0x0 as far lspci or dmesg telling me |
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| 15:13.54 | Foono | Hello |
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| 15:14.21 | n8w | how do i use ".bashrc" command to update newly updated paths(by usin export command) |
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| 15:15.13 | Foono | How do I install a psybnc on a debian box? |
| 15:15.51 | n8w | im tryin to set up python environment,but the installer complains about paths...i do set all path correctly by usin the export command,run the installer again but it gives me the same error as before |
| 15:16.13 | n8w | env command shows all paths bein correctly set |
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| 15:16.50 | wols | !tell n8w about errors |
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| 15:17.05 | wols | n8w: and what kind of "python environment"? |
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| 15:17.40 | wols | Foono: however you want. you compile it, you install it, you run it |
| 15:18.04 | Foono | thats what I dont know how to |
| 15:18.06 | Foono | I never have |
| 15:18.10 | PyroPhelia | What program will ban an IP after 3 failed login attempts (auth.log) and e-mail me the details? |
| 15:18.15 | Foono | jjust bought a vps, want to learn different stuff |
| 15:18.17 | Foono | its debian 5 |
| 15:18.23 | n8w | wols: python environment for ibm data servers |
| 15:18.53 | sash_ | PyroPhelia: fail2ban |
| 15:18.55 | wols | Foono: install build-essential and get the psybnc source code. the source should come with documentation how to compile it |
| 15:19.03 | PyroPhelia | sash_, TY! |
| 15:19.09 | PyroPhelia | couldn't remember the name :) |
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| 15:19.27 | josephg | Foono: what is vps? |
| 15:19.36 | wols | !vps |
| 15:19.37 | dpkg | from memory, vps is Virtual Private Server, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 15:19.39 | Foono | virtual private server |
| 15:19.44 | sash_ | PyroPhelia: must-have for servers that can be accessed via over the internet imho |
| 15:19.49 | sash_ | via over... |
| 15:20.46 | urezki | is back. |
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| 15:21.13 | wols | urezki: disable this script if you want to stay in #debian |
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| 15:21.58 | n8w | wols: ive been advised to use "source .bashrc" command after updating systems paths....but i dont know how to use it |
| 15:22.43 | josephg | n8w: just logout/login, if you can |
| 15:22.58 | urezki | wols: does it something influence on you ? i am just wondering ? |
| 15:22.59 | wols | n8w: you add your paths to the file (edit it), then run source .bashrc |
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| 15:23.30 | wols | urezki: just imagine what 700 people with away scripts do to a channel. all I can tell you is that you continue to use it in here, you will be banned |
| 15:23.53 | wols | urezki: so your choice if you want to continue to use it |
| 15:24.03 | rvsjoen | besides, nobody really gives a shit about when you leave and return ;) |
| 15:24.35 | n8w | wols: aha... i run the export command with paths, thats what i though adds paths to the file |
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| 15:24.59 | urezki | wols: ok, i got. i turned it off. Yes you are right it's my choice. |
| 15:25.08 | n8w | josephg: well thats kind of hc way...i would rather stay in:) |
| 15:25.12 | wols | export only adds it to the current bash session. and if you source .bashrc this might get overwritten again |
| 15:25.34 | n8w | wols: aha that explains a lot of my problems.... |
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| 15:32.53 | n8w | wols: shall i add it to my bashrc file lie : "export /path" ?? |
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| 15:35.26 | wols | n8w: no |
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| 15:35.35 | wols | grep PATH .* |
| 15:36.13 | n8w | wols: im noob sry... |
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| 15:36.52 | wols | use export as before and then just run the installer |
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| 15:37.33 | u19809 | hi all, I want to compile some program from source but with debian 'diff.gz' applied .... how can I apply it ? |
| 15:38.20 | wols | urezki: which program and which version? |
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| 15:39.49 | urezki | wols: sorry, what are you interested in ? version of which appl. ? or what do you mean ? |
| 15:40.21 | wols | what app and what version is it? |
| 15:40.34 | wols | `the one you want to compile |
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| 15:41.26 | u19809 | pan |
| 15:41.34 | u19809 | 0.133-1.1 |
| 15:41.41 | n8w | wols: http://pastebin.com/aiqsmSwH |
| 15:41.45 | ylluminate | trying to add testing to debian 4 on a dreamhost ps and am getting an error: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 15:41.46 | ylluminate | etc |
| 15:41.47 | wols | ,versions pan |
| 15:41.48 | judd | pan -- etch: 0.119-1; lenny: 0.132-3.1; sid: 0.133-1.1; squeeze: 0.133-1.1 |
| 15:41.55 | ylluminate | what causes that? |
| 15:41.58 | wols | !tell ylluminate about mmap |
| 15:42.11 | wols | ylluminate: too many repositories in your sources.list usually |
| 15:42.26 | ylluminate | ah, interesting. thanks wols |
| 15:42.27 | n8w | wols: i did run the command u told me....but it didnt help |
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| 15:42.43 | wols | !tell urezki about ssb |
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| 15:43.29 | u19809 | wols : it is that pan crashes on some null pointer and I want to debug it ... but I cannot find the source for 0-133-1-1 (which contains patches for gcc4) |
| 15:43.36 | wols | n8w: then do what the paste you made to pastebin says. set those two env variables |
| 15:43.51 | n8w | wols: "source .bashrc" gives me: bash: .bashrc: No such file or directory |
| 15:43.58 | urezki | wols: i don't compile at all, i used to do that when i was Gentoo user but then gave up... so you got mixed up |
| 15:44.08 | wols | u19809: debian contains pan 0.133-1.1 and therefore it also has the sources for it |
| 15:44.18 | wols | urezki: sorry |
| 15:44.24 | wols | !tell u19809 about ssb |
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| 15:44.37 | urezki | wols: and i haven't asked you about anythin |
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| 15:44.46 | wols | n8w: .bashrc only exists in your home directory |
| 15:44.56 | wols | urezki: it was a bad nick complete |
| 15:45.06 | u19809 | it is that I find the 0-133.1 source with a diff for 0-133-1.1 but patch does not 'patch' all files, just some |
| 15:45.08 | urezki | wols: ok |
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| 15:45.38 | wols | urezki: squeeze has 1.1 and therefore it also has source for it |
| 15:45.46 | wols | grah. u19809 ^^ |
| 15:46.19 | u19809 | wols : ?? |
| 15:46.46 | wols | u19809: squeeze has 1.1 and therefore it also has source for it |
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| 15:47.12 | {g} | Hey People! I can display a file from a remote server with "ssh host cat /some/file" but when i try to pump it into vimdiff like this: "vimdiff some/other/file <(ssh host cat /some/file)" i get fifo/socket read errors. Any idea why or how to vimdiff a local file with a file on a distant host? |
| 15:47.19 | wols | u19809: read what dpkg messaged you |
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| 15:47.58 | abrotman | joel_: did you figure it out ? |
| 15:49.04 | n8w | wols: well im not that stupid...fcourse i do what it says...but the problem is that when i set all paths by using export command(env shows it has been set) i run source .bashrc then the installer and then i get the same error as before |
| 15:49.16 | u19809 | wols : just ran apt-get source pan and it downloaded 2 files for me, the tgz (source) for the original and a 'diff' to patch the original to 133-1.1. problem am not able to apply the patch file ... I have all the sources |
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| 15:49.45 | wols | n8w: you might be not stupid but ignorant about what you are doing |
| 15:49.54 | wols | if you run export... there is no point running source .bashrc |
| 15:50.08 | wols | n8w: and I still haven't seen any error message, even when I asked ages ago. have a nice day |
| 15:50.29 | wols | u19809: why do you apply the patch manually? |
| 15:50.38 | n8w | wols: im sry man, but ive spend hours on this...im tryin all possible solutions.... |
| 15:50.58 | u19809 | wols : just notiched the message that the patch was automatically applied ... forgive me my ignorance ... thx |
| 15:51.14 | wols | u19809: next time, read dpkg's messages. dpkg knows it all |
| 15:51.23 | u19809 | yes ... :) |
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| 15:54.32 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 15:57.21 | ylluminate | okay, dealing with trying to keep this dreamhost ps installation as virgin as possible, however I'm trying to install a few testing pkgs |
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| 15:57.46 | ylluminate | the goal is to get couchdb installed from the pkg, i'm close, but i'm having a dependency issue with libcurl3 |
| 15:58.05 | romgo | Hi guys I've got a local mirror of debian and I created a personnal repository in the dists folder, but at each sync of the mirror, my repository is deleted |
| 15:58.10 | wols | ylluminate: if you installed ANY package of testing already, you already broke your debian. |
| 15:58.13 | asaleem | how can I see the contents of individual partitions of the harddrives in raid1 |
| 15:58.14 | romgo | Do you know how I can avoid this behaviour ? |
| 15:58.26 | ylluminate | i don't |
| 15:58.27 | wols | ylluminate: either you install a backport or you create your own backport. everything else is frankendebian |
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| 15:58.39 | ylluminate | erm |
| 15:59.33 | asaleem | I mean without breaking the RAID |
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| 16:00.08 | wols | asaleem: in a RAID, each disk has the exact same files as the other |
| 16:00.33 | helo | does frankendebian have superhuman strength? |
| 16:00.39 | helo | well... superdebian strength? |
| 16:01.32 | wols | it has unbelievable breakage and it looks about as good as the original frankenstein. each limb from a different corpse |
| 16:01.59 | joel_ | abrotman, no :( |
| 16:02.11 | asaleem | wols, yes, that's right and I have to identify the bad drive by writing a file on it and then remove one of the drive, reboot the system and see if the file exists, then it means it is the good drive |
| 16:02.51 | ylluminate | well wols, no backport is avail |
| 16:03.00 | ylluminate | wols: i think i'm stuck with a frankendeb |
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| 16:03.13 | wols | !tell ylluminate about ssb |
| 16:03.30 | Dark-Star | asaleem: what you're trying to do will surely break your RAID config, I would recommend against it. If you already know that one drive is bad you should also know which one it is (i.e. sda, sdb, etc.) so you just replace that one, or not? |
| 16:04.10 | wols | ylluminate: but if you already have installed stuff from testing, it's too late anyways |
| 16:04.21 | ylluminate | i have not |
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| 16:04.26 | wols | lucky you |
| 16:04.40 | wols | ,depends couchdb |
| 16:04.42 | judd | couchdb -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libicu38 (>= 3.8-5), libmozjs1d (>= 1.9~b4), erlang-abi-11.b.3, erlang-nox (>= 1:12.b.3-dfsg), adduser, lsb-base, mime-support. |
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| 16:05.23 | ylluminate | lol, what is the bottom line for getting this installed for deb4.0? |
| 16:05.29 | TZug | doesn't matter wich pci-slot I'm using, I can't pursuade my system to assign my second LPT card some registers |
| 16:05.32 | Dark-Star | asaleem: remove the drive from the raid (via mdadm) then look which one doesn't do any IOs (check the LEDs on the drives) and replace that. but don't individually mount the raid devices while your array is still marked "good" |
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| 16:05.38 | ylluminate | i need to get the src in |
| 16:05.51 | wols | ylluminate: bottom line for etch is: upgrade to lenny now |
| 16:06.04 | wols | cause in about a month or so, etch is EOL. no more updates. at all |
| 16:06.13 | ylluminate | will loose *ALL* support from dreamhost on this ps. i don't want that right now |
| 16:06.59 | wols | there are reasons why dreamhost is seens universally as a shit hoster. if you need support on a VPS/rootserver it is the wrong product for you anyways |
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| 16:08.44 | ylluminate | wols: i know what you're saying. i'm dealing with what i have to at this moment |
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| 16:08.51 | joel_ | anyone have installed kmuto images lately? |
| 16:08.52 | ylluminate | wols: i don't have another luxury |
| 16:09.01 | ylluminate | i'm LUCKY its a ps |
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| 16:09.47 | babilen | joel_: quite likely - are *you* running into problems? |
| 16:10.08 | joel_ | babilen: yes i am |
| 16:10.51 | wols | joel_: you got the kernel frm kmuto. where did you get the installer iso from? |
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| 16:11.36 | babilen | I would thin kmuto too, or? :-\ |
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| 16:12.19 | wols | babilen: it's hard to find there. and his error message is posterbook for mixing |
| 16:12.21 | joel_ | babilen: i downloaded an image file from kmuto's website (a boot.img.gz file) then did: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX, then unplugged and plugged again my usb stick, copy the netinstall iso i downloaded from the debian website, but when i enter in the installer it says to me that there is some kind of kernel mismatch between the kernel the installer is using and the one in the archive, and it don't load any kernel module |
| 16:12.38 | helo | Dark-Star: shouldn't he not be able to mount a partition that is already used? so he'd only mount the one that isn't active? |
| 16:12.55 | joel_ | wols: i got the boot.img.gz file from kmuto. i got the installer iso from the debian web sites |
| 16:12.56 | wols | joel_: that "copy the netinstall iso i downloaded from the debian website," is your problem. download the iso from kmuto's site and the error disappears |
| 16:12.57 | themill | joel_: why are you combining the hard disk installer with the netinstall image? |
| 16:13.18 | joel_ | because i don't see in ANY place where are the netinstall iso from kmuto |
| 16:13.18 | wols | n8w: do not message people unasked |
| 16:13.33 | helo | wonders what alternatives there are to the hard disk installer |
| 16:13.37 | wols | jefferai: exactly same place you downloaded the kernel. hint: the "fr" link |
| 16:13.46 | babilen | joel_: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:13.52 | n8w | wols: sry |
| 16:13.53 | jefferai | wols: thanks for the advice? :-) |
| 16:14.01 | joel_ | wtf? no.. it's not there. |
| 16:14.07 | wols | jefferai: de nada :) |
| 16:14.36 | wols | joel_: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ has it right there |
| 16:14.39 | babilen | joel_: huh? I see a bunch of ISOs over there |
| 16:14.51 | joel_ | fuck me |
| 16:14.54 | joel_ | i am blind! |
| 16:14.59 | joel_ | sorry guys, i'm retarded |
| 16:15.04 | wols | I'd rather not. you might have stds |
| 16:15.09 | joel_ | you're right. |
| 16:15.15 | joel_ | wols: hehe :) |
| 16:15.21 | babilen | sexually transmitted debians? |
| 16:15.34 | wols | babilen: sids even |
| 16:15.35 | babilen | anyway - good luck joel_ :) |
| 16:15.51 | joel_ | thank you very much guys |
| 16:16.24 | K0JIbKA | when to expect squeeze??? |
| 16:16.39 | babilen | !tell K0JIbKA -about wwsr |
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| 16:20.06 | n8w | wols: ok, did it mean that ur not gonna help me? |
| 16:21.24 | babilen | n8w: ask you question in the channel |
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| 16:23.34 | n8w | babilen: ye but he kind of knows what my problem is...he has tried to help me already, we were almost there:) but then he got angry or smth... |
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| 16:25.11 | babilen | !tell n8w -about private |
| 16:25.20 | babilen | n8w: Just keep it in the channel. |
| 16:25.52 | n8w | babilen: ok...will do |
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| 16:28.26 | n8w | ok here is me problem....im tryin to set a path but its bein ignored by the installer(python environment for ibm data servers) http://paste-it.net/public/sa09a59/ |
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| 16:32.35 | abrotman | n8w: uname -r ? |
| 16:32.53 | Titan8990_ | n8w, sudo can do weird things with env variable |
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| 16:33.20 | n8w | abrotman: 2.6.31-19-generic |
| 16:33.50 | n8w | Titan8990: i cant run the installer without usin sudo |
| 16:33.53 | abrotman | n8w: go to #ubuntu for help |
| 16:33.59 | babilen | n8w: run it as root |
| 16:34.04 | Titan8990_ | n8w, you mean you don't know how |
| 16:34.05 | babilen | err - nvm |
| 16:34.15 | n8w | babilen: ok im gonna try |
| 16:34.28 | abrotman | n8w: now go to #ubuntu, have a nice day |
| 16:35.21 | n8w | abrotman: ok... |
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| 16:37.06 | HackeMate | hello, what is the difference between desktop and alternate? |
| 16:37.30 | HackeMate | i have a laptop that i cant install the desktop version, but works with the alternate |
| 16:37.44 | HackeMate | i dont get any error message with desktop, just a blank monitor |
| 16:37.47 | HackeMate | is because of hardware? |
| 16:37.48 | babilen | alternate? desktop? what are you talking about? |
| 16:38.28 | HackeMate | aah, nevermind, is ubuntu thing |
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| 16:39.33 | abrotman | checks the calendar |
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| 16:41.40 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, nope, not sunday yet |
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| 16:43.27 | edwin_quijada | How can I take just 10 first line using cat from a big archove |
| 16:44.04 | BlackFate | cat file | head -n10 |
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| 16:44.30 | babilen | edwin_quijada: head -n 10 <file> (no need for cat) |
| 16:44.40 | edwin_quijada | thks! |
| 16:45.17 | edwin_quijada | cool! |
| 16:45.27 | babilen | edwin_quijada: in case you need it in the future - have a look at 'tail' too ;) |
| 16:45.41 | michas | Hi, I have a binary-only application, that depends on a (also binary-only) shared library. Is there a way to combine these to a single executable? - I already found statifier.sf.net which seems to do kind of that. It is GPL but not included in debian. Is there a good reason for not being included in debian? Is there a better way using debian tools? |
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| 16:48.14 | babilen | michas: no idea - but you could compile statifier yourself and use it. (You might also want to file a RFP for that tool if you think it should be in Debian - /msg dpkg rfp) |
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| 16:56.05 | michas | babilen, sure. I was just wondering. Usually there is a good reason when a piece of software is not available in debian. For example, a better/more common tool for the same job. If there really is no other tool I'm thinking of packaging it myself. |
| 16:56.26 | Titan8990_ | !wnpp |
| 16:56.26 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 16:58.10 | themill | michas: without looking further into this specific case, a GPL program cannot link to a binary-only library. Well... it can on your own machine, you're just not allowed to give the compiled version to anyone else or that would be in breach of the GPL. |
| 16:59.06 | sash_ | what are you talking about? |
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| 16:59.29 | jae | loves ajaxterm |
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| 16:59.53 | michas | themill, no you are mixing things up. statifier is a GPL software which can be used to link up binary only files. |
| 17:00.04 | themill | ahh |
| 17:00.09 | babilen | michas: As i said - *I* am not aware of such a tool. (Which does not mean that there is none) You are welcome to file a RFP or package it yourself, file an ITP and look for a sponsor. |
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| 17:00.47 | babilen | michas: You might want to check with #debian-mentors before you start all that work or wait for comments (if any) on your ITP |
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| 17:01.19 | michas | babilen, I'll do. thx. |
| 17:01.22 | babilen | michas: #d-m is on irc.debian.org |
| 17:01.38 | Titan8990_ | babilen, i thought it was on oftc... |
| 17:01.54 | Titan8990_ | with the other "official" channels |
| 17:01.58 | babilen | Titan8990_: It's the same - Just some "corporate" branding :) |
| 17:02.34 | michas | irc.debian.org is oftc. ;) |
| 17:03.42 | babilen | !tell Titan8990_ -about oftc move |
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| 17:04.42 | jelly-home | #d-mentors, brrr |
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| 17:06.06 | mezgani | hello |
| 17:06.26 | boodie | Router advice: Netgear, Linksys, d-link? How about 802.11n? |
| 17:06.29 | mezgani | i plugged a nokia mobile phone to my lenny |
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| 17:06.39 | mezgani | with a usb cable data |
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| 17:06.58 | mezgani | and i need to send some AT command to this device |
| 17:07.28 | mezgani | my debian did not create in special file on /dev |
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| 17:07.39 | mezgani | here is the trace http://fpaste.org/PaOX/ |
| 17:07.52 | mezgani | please can you tell me what happened |
| 17:08.02 | mezgani | i know that the device is knowed as sd storage |
| 17:08.12 | mezgani | but it must be switched to a phone device |
| 17:08.21 | mezgani | and that is done by usb_modeswitch |
| 17:09.34 | boodie | Hi: is 802.11n an advisable standard? |
| 17:10.05 | wols | it is a finalized, implemented standard |
| 17:10.39 | boodie | so it's a reliable & stable standard, then |
| 17:10.55 | jimcooncat | boodie: I think you have to watch for some of the hardware that initially hit the market, but I'm not sure |
| 17:11.17 | wols | boodie: do you have a debian question? |
| 17:11.34 | jimcooncat | I do know hardware was available on the store shelves in advance of a real standard |
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| 17:14.18 | boodie | Well, I'm goin' to buy a router ... they pretend to carry the 802.11n protocol - question is, since *nix (I've got lenny btw) likes less recent hw, I was wondering whether I would have encountered problems |
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| 17:15.21 | wols | ask about what wlan card to buy for your lenny install, NOT what router to buy. your router doesn't run debian |
| 17:16.16 | Foono | wols you aruond? |
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| 17:16.57 | Foono | I want to start a ftp server on my server, I have remote access to the box, its debian 5 and i am root |
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| 17:17.07 | Foono | how can I start ftp on it so then i can connect to it and upload files etc |
| 17:17.18 | babilen | !tell Foono -about ftpd |
| 17:17.18 | wols | install vsftpd. done |
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| 17:18.12 | Foono | k lemme apt-get it |
| 17:18.17 | josephg | !tell josephg -about vsftpd |
| 17:18.17 | ambuli | could someonly kindly direct me!!. if i give many repository in the sources.list and all repo have a same package with different versions. will apt-get install pickup the latest version among thse repos ? or it take from the very first repo mentioned in the sources.list ? |
| 17:18.24 | wols | bur unless you really really really need a ftpd, don't install one. use your ssh server instead |
| 17:18.25 | Foono | ok |
| 17:18.31 | Foono | its installed |
| 17:18.33 | Foono | now how do i connect |
| 17:18.40 | Foono | hmm |
| 17:18.44 | Foono | so how can I upload a file |
| 17:18.46 | Foono | via ssh? |
| 17:18.48 | wols | ambuli: newest (highest version) is installed. apt-cache policy <package> to check |
| 17:18.57 | babilen | Foono: You could read some documentation ;) |
| 17:19.14 | wols | Foono: ssh does something called "sftp". every decent client can use it. e.g. filezilla |
| 17:19.40 | Foono | ok but I really dont need ftp or anything, im trying to learn more and more things |
| 17:19.46 | Foono | so i want to do it for testing purposes |
| 17:19.53 | Foono | ive installed vsftpd |
| 17:19.54 | wols | Foono: with ftp everything, inclduing your password is transmitted in the clear. with ssh it's encrypted |
| 17:19.58 | Cretin | im pulling my hair out with grub error 15. this is my first debian install, and i cant believe grub doesnt work. ive since checked and rechecked the menu.lst and i cant find where the problem is. help? |
| 17:20.01 | ambuli | wols, thanks |
| 17:20.42 | Foono | how can i use vsftpd |
| 17:20.54 | Foono | ive installed it already, how to add user on it now etc? |
| 17:21.07 | Titan8990_ | Cretin, error 15 needs a grub reinstall, nothing to do with menu.lst (menu.lst problems will usually occur after the boot menu) |
| 17:21.10 | wols | Foono: no need. just use your normal username/password |
| 17:21.23 | Titan8990_ | !tell Cretin about reinstall grub |
| 17:21.24 | wols | Titan8990_: are you sure? |
| 17:21.24 | Foono | normal username/pass ? |
| 17:21.34 | Foono | u mean root as login and its pass as password? |
| 17:21.34 | wols | Foono: the username you use to log in |
| 17:21.43 | wols | no, not root. you have a user login |
| 17:21.59 | Titan8990_ | wols, yep, from my experience its almost alway an incorrect root (hdx,x) during the grub installation to the MBR |
| 17:22.19 | Titan8990_ | error 15 is file not found |
| 17:22.31 | wols | Titan8990_: error 15 comes AFTER the menu is shown... |
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| 17:22.41 | wols | and yes, the file happens to be the kernel for example |
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| 17:23.57 | Foono | wols where will i login? because when i connect to server ip via ftp its not asking for username/pass |
| 17:24.01 | Foono | it says remote host closed connection |
| 17:24.25 | wols | what program do you use to connect? |
| 17:24.50 | Foono | i just do from my computer ftp://ip |
| 17:24.54 | Foono | or from cmd prompt |
| 17:24.55 | Foono | ftp ip |
| 17:25.14 | wols | do you have a normal user on this box? what does syslog say? |
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| 17:25.33 | Foono | i have added 1 user on this box atm |
| 17:25.36 | Foono | and 1 is root login |
| 17:26.26 | wols | oh. vsftpd.log it is |
| 17:26.43 | Foono | ? |
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| 17:27.07 | sash_ | by default, root is not allowed to do ftp |
| 17:27.32 | sash_ | in the config |
| 17:27.33 | Foono | im trying to open the ftp server from my windows machine |
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| 17:27.41 | Foono | its not even asking for username/pass |
| 17:29.16 | sash_ | is the server running? not the machine, vsftpd |
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| 17:29.37 | Foono | I just did apt-get install vsftpd |
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| 17:29.42 | Foono | dunno if its running or not |
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| 17:30.48 | wastrel | Foono: can you ftp localhost from the linux machine |
| 17:30.51 | sash_ | you should check that |
| 17:31.11 | Foono | test:~# ftp localhost |
| 17:31.11 | Foono | Connected to localhost.localdomain. |
| 17:31.11 | Foono | Can't exec "/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd": No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
| 17:31.11 | Foono | ftp> |
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| 17:31.38 | Foono | it gives that msg |
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| 17:32.05 | wols | dpkg -l |grep pure |
| 17:32.05 | dpkg | ii |grep pure 2.8-2.1 wols's private porn collection |
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| 17:32.16 | wols | dpkg: your jokes get old |
| 17:32.17 | dpkg | wols: i don't know |
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| 17:32.53 | Foono | rc pure-ftpd 1.0.21-11.4 Pure-FTPd FTP server |
| 17:33.00 | Foono | ii pure-ftpd-common 1.0.21-11.4 Pure-FTPd FTP server (Common Files) |
| 17:33.03 | Foono | these 2 |
| 17:33.06 | Dark-Star | helo: (sorry for the lag) yes he should not be able to mount the filesystem. in theory. but in practice it often works, depending on the filesystem on it (the device nodes are different, the kernel doesn't know that e.g. sda is mounted if it's mounted via md0) |
| 17:33.32 | wols | Foono: and now guess very hard what happens... |
| 17:33.47 | Foono | what? :P |
| 17:35.10 | Dark-Star | helo: also it sounded as if he wants to mount one of the raid disks while the array is still in "good" mode, even though it is not currently mounted. if he does that, then the data will be different between the two raid disks and md doesn't know about it on the next mount -> chaos |
| 17:35.14 | Foono | so wols? :P |
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| 17:36.02 | wols | I don't spoonfeed unless you're my offspring |
| 17:36.16 | Foono | k |
| 17:36.23 | Foono | anyway thanks |
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| 17:38.39 | Foono | anyone else can help? |
| 17:39.43 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:39.57 | josephg | hello everyone |
| 17:40.07 | Cretin | Titan8990_ grub-install /dev/sdb1 hangs |
| 17:40.48 | wols | Cretin: did your grub menu show up before? |
| 17:40.54 | Cretin | yes |
| 17:41.00 | wols | then Titan8990_ is wrong |
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| 17:41.37 | sash_ | why sdb1 and not sdb? |
| 17:41.38 | Cretin | ok. im going to ctrl+c and reboot and see whats happening now |
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| 17:41.54 | Cretin | i did install it to MBR, but i got another error 15 |
| 17:42.03 | wols | sash_: the question is, why not sda |
| 17:42.10 | Cretin | wrong hdd |
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| 17:42.26 | Cretin | sdb boots first |
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| 17:42.32 | sash_ | wols: also true |
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| 17:43.04 | wols | Cretin: pastebin your menu.lst |
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| 17:43.16 | wols | and the output of fdisk -l is very helpful too |
| 17:43.16 | muzy | Hello |
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| 17:43.40 | Foono | help me plz :/ |
| 17:43.43 | muzy | I just wanted to ask where the netinstall image with the 32 kernel is |
| 17:43.48 | muzy | there was some sizte |
| 17:43.51 | muzy | *site |
| 17:43.58 | wols | muzy: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:44.14 | Foono | wols consider me ur offspring for a while |
| 17:44.16 | Foono | and help |
| 17:44.17 | Foono | :< |
| 17:44.20 | muzy | thanks |
| 17:45.22 | wols | Foono: install a single ftp server. not several |
| 17:45.33 | mino | hi |
| 17:45.34 | wols | and install them properly, not halfassed |
| 17:45.35 | Foono | yah i tried removing others but i couldnt |
| 17:45.53 | Foono | can u tell me how can i remove these 2 others? |
| 17:45.56 | Foono | canuse rm -rf dont work |
| 17:46.01 | wols | aptitude remove <package> |
| 17:46.02 | mino | any good alternatives on lenny to make a tar package with acl extensions? "star" is only available on sid... :( |
| 17:46.16 | wols | ,versions star |
| 17:46.18 | judd | star -- etch: 1.5a67-1; sid: 1.5final-2 |
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| 17:46.31 | wols | interesting |
| 17:46.41 | wols | mino: either do a backport yourself or try the etch version |
| 17:47.31 | Foono | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 17:47.51 | StucKman | anyone knows how the inverted circumflex symbol is called, and if it's possible to type it in an us keyboard with the intl variant? |
| 17:48.01 | mino | wols: a backport myself ... hmm i never have done this before.. hopefully somebody else know a different way to do it |
| 17:48.09 | wols | !tell mino about ssb |
| 17:48.13 | wols | Foono: use apt-get then |
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| 17:48.26 | josephg | Foono: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:48.28 | sash_ | what the hell are you doing? |
| 17:48.33 | wols | Foono: and install debnian for a change |
| 17:48.38 | wols | *debian |
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| 17:48.54 | Foono | i have debian |
| 17:48.57 | Foono | its debian 5 |
| 17:49.09 | jhutchins_lt | josephg: He's trying to install ftp servers without understanding how package management works, and he should just be using ssh/scp instead. |
| 17:49.15 | wols | Foono: then you have aptitude. no way around it |
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| 17:49.40 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Do you have a link for a "getting started in debian" guide? |
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| 17:49.50 | mino | wols: thanks for your help. I will try :) |
| 17:49.51 | wols | dpkg should |
| 17:49.51 | dpkg | [should] a word to use in moderation, unless of course it involves something that you either paid someone else to do, or are willing to do yourself. don't should on me and I won't should on you. |
| 17:50.36 | babilen | !tell Foono -about reference |
| 17:50.43 | babilen | !tell Foono -about newbiedoc |
| 17:50.48 | kenjy | guys how can I avoid acpi to work with a specific device without completely disable ACPI? |
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| 17:51.03 | wols | kenjy: don't think that's possible |
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| 17:51.25 | Foono | wols i did apt-get install aptitude |
| 17:51.31 | Foono | and then aptitude remove pure-ftpd |
| 17:51.34 | Foono | but its not removing it |
| 17:51.39 | Foono | it still shows up in that grep command |
| 17:51.46 | kenjy | wols, if I disable acpi my xorg works absolutly slow, if I enable acpi my touchscreen crash Xorg |
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| 17:52.03 | babilen | Foono: Paste the output of that removal attempt to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:52.09 | Foono | ok |
| 17:52.23 | wols | kenjy: you sure it's not the same coin with two different sides? |
| 17:52.50 | wols | Foono: uninstalling stuff that has been uninstalled long time ago is a bit futile |
| 17:53.07 | wols | babilen: pure-ftpd is rc and pure-ftpd-common is ii |
| 17:53.21 | Foono | what does that means? |
| 17:53.29 | josephg | kenjy: what is your specific device? |
| 17:53.39 | wols | it means you need to read before you ask here. the docs for people new to debian |
| 17:54.10 | wols | for starters, how to use the debian packaging system (apt and dpkg) |
| 17:54.20 | babilen | wols: ah, nvm then |
| 17:54.28 | Foono | both are showing "rc" now |
| 17:54.30 | kenjy | wols, well if I enable acpi, my netbook works fine until I use the touchscreen, If I disable acpi my xorg its slow, google earth say that I don't have opengl support but glxinfo say that I have direct rendering but any way with acpi disable youtube, 3d apps and window drawing becomes slow |
| 17:54.31 | Foono | but if they are removed |
| 17:54.34 | Foono | why are they showing up |
| 17:54.36 | Foono | in grep cmd? |
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| 17:54.46 | Foono | and why isnt the other ftp program working? |
| 17:54.49 | Foono | vsftpd |
| 17:55.25 | wols | learn what "rc" in this command means. and start vsftpd, then it will work. not before |
| 17:55.42 | Foono | how to start vsftpd lol |
| 17:55.50 | jhutchins_lt | Foono: Don't. |
| 17:56.19 | jhutchins_lt | Foono: Read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html the read the rest of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 17:56.23 | babilen | Foono: Do us and yourself a server and familiarise yourself with Debian/Linux. |
| 17:56.28 | babilen | hehe |
| 17:56.40 | jhutchins_lt | Foono: You don't need ftp, and you aren't knowledgable enough to keep your system from getting hacked through it. |
| 17:56.49 | babilen | s/server/favour |
| 17:57.10 | kenjy | josephg, if I enable acpi, my netbook works fine until I use the touchscreen, If I disable acpi my xorg its slow, google earth say that I don't have opengl support but glxinfo say that I have direct rendering but any way with acpi disable youtube, 3d apps and window drawing becomes slow |
| 17:57.16 | Foono | lol im a student and i bought this server for learning/testing purposes |
| 17:57.21 | Foono | i dont even need ftp for anything |
| 17:57.22 | kenjy | josephg, its a intel graphic card and my touchscreen it a eturbotouch device |
| 17:57.27 | Foono | i just want to learn how to use it in different ways |
| 17:57.29 | Foono | how to set it up |
| 17:57.29 | Foono | etc |
| 17:57.34 | wols | kenjy: that's nice, but it doesn't answe josephg's question |
| 17:57.41 | wols | ok. that did |
| 17:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | Foono: Start by reading the page linked above. |
| 17:57.57 | josephg | Foono: i'm getting a feeling that you should perhaps learn to (de)install some smaller simpler packages and get familiar with package management. your queries seem to have nothing to do with ftp servers. |
| 17:57.58 | wols | in a non useful way, but still |
| 17:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | Foono: Given what you've said that you've done here, you may actually need to re-install the system to fix it. |
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| 17:59.01 | Foono | reinstall how lol |
| 17:59.05 | Foono | i just bought this server |
| 17:59.08 | Foono | its a remote server |
| 17:59.12 | Foono | for $100 |
| 17:59.28 | jimcooncat | may I suggest ubuntu-server for you Foono, the folks who support that may be more supportive of you |
| 17:59.47 | Foono | hmm i see |
| 17:59.50 | wols | jimcooncat: the problem here is not what distro to use |
| 18:00.05 | wols | changing distros won't fix Foono unwillingness to learn |
| 18:00.19 | jimcooncat | wols: yes, but he's definitely not in the right crowd here |
| 18:00.38 | wols | jimcooncat: if a ubuntu server gets owned or a debian one, doesn't change a thing |
| 18:01.09 | Foono | ok for now atleast just tell me how to uninstall all the ftp clients that i have installed? |
| 18:01.09 | wols | kenjy: do a lsusb and check what actual device/chip you have. the company which makes the device means nothing |
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| 18:01.19 | Foono | so that my server isnt unsecure atleast |
| 18:01.19 | josephg | kenjy: how are you disabling acpi? |
| 18:01.24 | Foono | then ill start reading those docs etc |
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| 18:01.50 | josephg | Foono: how did you install "all the ftp clients"? |
| 18:02.01 | Foono | apt-get install vsftpd |
| 18:02.04 | kenjy | josephg, setting acpi=off in grub |
| 18:02.08 | Foono | apt-get pure-ftpd |
| 18:02.11 | Foono | install* |
| 18:02.12 | Foono | etc |
| 18:02.29 | Foono | found these on google, just vsftpd one wols told me |
| 18:02.59 | Titan8990_ | Foono, those are ftp servers, not clients |
| 18:03.08 | Foono | yah how to remove them |
| 18:03.09 | Foono | from my server |
| 18:03.11 | kenjy | wols, Bus 005 Device 002: ID 22b9:0006 eTurboTouch Technology, Inc something about 22b9:006 |
| 18:03.16 | josephg | kenjy: right, how are the results of glxgears different before and after? |
| 18:03.26 | kenjy | wols, and josephg Im ussing this udev rule KERNEL=="event*", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1234", ATTRS{idProduct}=="5678", SYMLINK+="input/evtouch_event" |
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| 18:03.44 | SkyKnight | startx throwing "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11 server aborting" any buddy have any clue? |
| 18:03.48 | Foono | so?:p |
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| 18:04.26 | kenjy | josephg, well the gears turn but with acpi = off they constantly stop for a while and then continue |
| 18:04.35 | josephg | Foono: apt-get purge --auto-remove pure-ftpd |
| 18:04.58 | Foono | Package pure-ftpd is not installed, so not removed |
| 18:04.58 | Foono | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 76 not upgraded. |
| 18:05.32 | josephg | kenjy: what's the output from each instance? |
| 18:06.23 | kenjy | josephg, right now with acpi on I got 1026 frames in 5.0 seconds and this: $ glxinfo |grep render |
| 18:06.23 | kenjy | direct rendering: Yes |
| 18:06.38 | wols | josephg: hint: pure-ftpd has more than one package |
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| 18:07.16 | kenjy | josephg, if you want the result with acpi off I need to reboot :S |
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| 18:08.05 | Foono | ok i have removed the ftps but how can i confirm that they are removed |
| 18:08.13 | Foono | any cmd that will display the running ftp servers on my server? |
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| 18:08.27 | wols | man ps man netstat |
| 18:08.30 | josephg | kenjy: you can do it in your own time. the results would should how much your accelaration is affected. and then you can make a decision. |
| 18:08.32 | Titan8990_ | Foono, ps aux |
| 18:08.40 | phorce1 | Foono: dpkg -l|grep ftp will show any package with "ftp" in the name |
| 18:08.42 | kenjy | josephg and wols so no way to disable acpi just for my touchscreen? something like a blacklist? another option its disable acpi but how to keep my opengl support |
| 18:08.42 | edeca | Is there a tool that can give update/modification history for a particular file? Basically a combination of dpkg-query to find the right package, then a grep across /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 18:09.08 | Titan8990_ | !ionotify |
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| 18:09.24 | Foono | test:~# dpkg -l|grep ftp |
| 18:09.24 | Foono | ii ftp 0.17-18 The FTP client |
| 18:09.25 | Foono | rc pure-ftpd 1.0.21-11.4 Pure-FTPd FTP server |
| 18:09.25 | Foono | rc pure-ftpd-common 1.0.21-11.4 Pure-FTPd FTP server (Common Files) |
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| 18:09.26 | abrotman | !inotify |
| 18:09.27 | dpkg | A replacement for dnotify, currently in kernels >= 2.6.13 -- see: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/, or used by Beagle (a desktop search infrastructure), Gamin (a FAM replacement), and other projects. |
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| 18:09.28 | kenjy | josephg, a decision between 3d rendering or touchscreen? |
| 18:09.36 | phorce1 | Foono: actually, use grep -i |
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| 18:09.51 | josephg | wols: if Foono installed pure-ftpd, he needs to only remove that. |
| 18:10.05 | phorce1 | Foono: so, if you want those gone use aptitude purge <package name> |
| 18:10.07 | wols | josephg: dream on |
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| 18:10.53 | Foono | wols why dont u tell me what exactly if i type will remov all ftps |
| 18:10.55 | Foono | from my server |
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| 18:11.06 | josephg | wols: that is all he told me, unless he is not telling everything. i'm not sure he understands what he is asking... :-) |
| 18:11.09 | phorce1 | Foono: rc means the package has been "removed" but not "purged" |
| 18:11.12 | wols | Foono: what makes you think there are any left? |
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| 18:11.32 | abrotman | SkyKnight: did you 'aptitude install xorg' ? |
| 18:11.34 | phorce1 | Foono: that output says you have no ftp servers installed on your server |
| 18:11.39 | wols | and: what good does it do for us to admin YOUR server? it's YOUR job to admin it, not ours. if you can't do that, hire someone or start to learn |
| 18:11.44 | Foono | phorce1 what does ii means? |
| 18:11.54 | wols | cause if we do what you constantly whine for, we all _know_ that you won't read anything we told you |
| 18:12.03 | wols | instead you will come back time and again begging for help |
| 18:12.13 | phorce1 | Foono: ii means installed and configured --- but ftp is the CLIENT, not a server |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | how about you tell him how to figure out what they mean? |
| 18:12.26 | Foono | i see |
| 18:12.31 | Foono | so FTP client is ok to be there |
| 18:12.35 | Foono | ? |
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| 18:13.01 | edeca | Foono: Sure, having an ftp client is fine |
| 18:13.04 | Foono | k |
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| 18:15.32 | josephg | Foono: if you use dpkg without that grep, the first few lines tell you what that status means |
| 18:15.50 | Foono | k |
| 18:16.00 | Foono | its my first day with linux |
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| 18:16.05 | Foono | so im kinda newbie :P |
| 18:16.10 | Foono | how many years experience u got? |
| 18:16.14 | abrotman | 'man dpkg' helps also |
| 18:16.16 | phorce1 | Foono: to learn what the "ii" "rc" etc mean do dpkg -l|head -n 6 <--- that shows you the status meanings and the first package in your list to give you a reference to the meanings. |
| 18:16.28 | Foono | k |
| 18:16.31 | dsfgh | What's the best file system for storing about 270 files of 1.5GB average size on an external hard drive? |
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| 18:16.53 | dsfgh | (my film collection) |
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| 18:17.10 | wols | dsfgh: ntfs |
| 18:17.20 | dsfgh | wols: Why? |
| 18:17.23 | edeca | dsfgh: Do you need to share the disk with Windows? |
| 18:17.29 | edeca | dsfgh: I like xfs for big file. It just works for me. |
| 18:17.30 | wols | compatibility |
| 18:17.35 | josephg | Foono: so on your first day with linux, you go out and buy a server with linux pre-installed and come out here wanting to learn stuff, without reading any manuals at all??? |
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| 18:17.35 | dsfgh | edeca: I don't. |
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| 18:17.49 | edeca | dsfgh: So why didn't you say "i don't like xfs but what else do you recommend" :) |
| 18:17.50 | dsfgh | edeca: Why's XFS good for big files? |
| 18:17.53 | Foono | josephg yah exactly |
| 18:17.53 | wols | everywhere you go you can access ntfs without problems |
| 18:17.57 | Foono | i googled somethings |
| 18:18.00 | Foono | found cmds like |
| 18:18.02 | Foono | ls -la |
| 18:18.04 | edeca | dsfgh: Oh, I read your comment backwards ;) |
| 18:18.06 | Foono | ps x |
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| 18:18.08 | Foono | who whoami etc |
| 18:18.10 | abrotman | !tell Foono about grounding |
| 18:18.11 | Foono | basic commands |
| 18:18.12 | dsfgh | edeca: Sorry I meant to say "I don't use Windows" |
| 18:18.13 | abrotman | !tell Foono about reference |
| 18:18.20 | edeca | dsfgh: Apologies. xfs is designed for larger files I believe |
| 18:18.28 | wols | abrotman: that's already been done |
| 18:18.31 | dsfgh | edeca: What advantages over ext3 does it offer? |
| 18:18.36 | abrotman | maybe he should go read it .. stop nursing |
| 18:18.51 | abrotman | dsfgh: if you don't know any better, use ext3 |
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| 18:19.15 | edeca | dsfgh: I agree with abrotman, but also check google for "xfs vs ext3" or similar. And ignore anything to do with reiserfs ;) |
| 18:19.16 | dsfgh | abrotman: I am using ext3 and it's working fine for me. I was just wondering if XFS or anything would be better suited. |
| 18:19.30 | abrotman | dsfgh: are you having any problems with ext3? |
| 18:19.31 | wols | dsfgh: for an external disk, cfs is shit |
| 18:19.33 | dsfgh | edeca: Because the developer is in jail? |
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| 18:19.42 | dsfgh | abrotman: Nope. It's working great. :) |
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| 18:19.52 | dsfgh | wols: What the hell is CFS? |
| 18:19.56 | wols | deever: cause the developer will have a hard time maintaining the filesystem in the future |
| 18:20.04 | wols | sorry. XFS |
| 18:20.22 | edeca | dsfgh: Just because it doesn't necessarily have a rich development future |
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| 18:20.32 | edeca | wols: XFS is bad on external disks? |
| 18:21.01 | wols | yes |
| 18:21.17 | edeca | wols: Fair enough, any qualification for that? |
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| 18:21.44 | wols | xfs doesn't like the hardware to vanish suddenly. can lead to bad experiences. with a external disk this can happen easily |
| 18:21.54 | edeca | Ah, that makes sense. Thanks. |
| 18:21.58 | edeca | stops using XFS on external disks |
| 18:22.06 | frostschutz | keeps using XFS everywhere :) |
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| 18:22.10 | wols | from what you said so far, there is no reason for you to deviate from ext3 |
| 18:22.32 | dsfgh | wols edeca abrotman: I have 0% space reserved for the root user. Is there any reason why I should reserve some? |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | wols: to be fair .. most filesystems don't like it when the hardware disappears :) |
| 18:22.41 | abrotman | dsfgh: nope |
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| 18:22.49 | wols | abrotman: but some are worse than others |
| 18:23.01 | wols | heck, if fat didn't hhave the 4GB problem, I'd told him to use that |
| 18:23.13 | wols | dsfgh: not on a media disk |
| 18:23.17 | josephg | dsfgh: where all will you be using your external hard disk? if you are going to hook it up to all sorts of media players, etc. you need to be mindful of what filesystems they can access. from what i have seen fat seems to be the only common one. my dvd-player with a usb port can't seem to understand anything else. |
| 18:23.35 | dsfgh | josephg: I usually just leave it connected to my desktop PC nowadays. |
| 18:23.50 | wols | josephg: the problem is, movies can easily be bigger than 4GB. and then fat is not so good |
| 18:23.57 | dsfgh | josephg: It only contains my film collection, which I watch on my PC's monitor. |
| 18:24.07 | dsfgh | wols: I don't download films over 4GB in size. |
| 18:24.18 | dsfgh | 4GB is about as large as I get. |
| 18:24.22 | abrotman | ext3 ... |
| 18:24.37 | dsfgh | abrotman: Oky doky. :) |
| 18:25.23 | wols | that new fat version MS likes to foist upon device makers, can it use 4GB files now? |
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| 18:26.42 | edeca | wols: Dunno, but it doesn't seem to be compatible with linux yet |
| 18:26.46 | phorce1 | imagines the pain of writing a 4G+ file on a class 4 SD device |
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| 18:27.04 | edeca | wols: And Win7 doesn't seem to support format with the "old" FAT (vfat) |
| 18:27.25 | wols | that will SUCK for people who have an older camera |
| 18:28.23 | edeca | I said "doesn't seem", it could be user error on my part. But I did try ;) |
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| 18:28.57 | josephg | dsfgh: if you are only going to be using this external hdd on your own pc, then choose the fs with the best performance, or whatever you are most comfortable with. fat is not the most efficient. |
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| 18:29.18 | dsfgh | josephg: Roger that. |
| 18:29.19 | dsfgh | I'm off. |
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| 18:29.32 | josephg | i wouldn't use anything that has come up new with win7 |
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| 18:34.16 | samokk | Hi. I am trying to create a deb for a python application (totally new to deb creation). As I understand, there are 2 ways to do this, either using python-central or python-support. What are the technical / philosophical differences between both tools, so that I can make my choice ? |
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| 18:34.46 | action09 | oy |
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| 18:40.05 | Titan8990_ | !tell samokk about new maint guide |
| 18:40.38 | Titan8990_ | !tell samokk about maint-guide |
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| 18:46.30 | asaleem | Is there a way/tool to find the chipset of ethernet card |
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| 18:47.34 | Titan8990_ | asaleem, `lspci` |
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| 18:47.49 | Titan8990_ | asaleem, most likely you want `lscpi -nn` so that you can look up the pciid |
| 18:47.51 | action09 | Hi all, i want to know e.g. (just an exemple) if lftp is built/compiled with open ssl support (like configure --with-openssl).. how to know ? |
| 18:47.52 | action09 | please |
| 18:48.21 | Titan8990_ | action09, try to use a feature that would require the option? |
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| 18:49.41 | pawel314 | I need to downgrade several packages (currently they are from sid, and I want versions from testing). Is there easy way to do it (aptitude?) |
| 18:49.59 | Titan8990_ | !downgrade |
| 18:49.59 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 18:50.01 | valdyn | pawel314: aptitude install packagename=version |
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| 18:50.26 | mcgregor | hi |
| 18:50.33 | Titan8990_ | !tell pawel314 about partial downgrade |
| 18:50.34 | valdyn | pawel314: thats just a little better than using dpkg directly. |
| 18:50.49 | mcgregor | is it possible to configure debuild to use more than 2 cpu? similiar to make-kpkg |
| 18:51.11 | valdyn | mcgregor: have you tried MAKEFLAGS= ? |
| 18:52.22 | mcgregor | valdyn, no, I was rather think of something like /etc/kernel-pkg.conf and setting CONCURRENCY_LEVEL := 2 |
| 18:52.25 | mcgregor | for xample |
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| 18:52.44 | valdyn | mcgregor: that variable is specific to the kernel build system |
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| 18:53.44 | action09 | Titan8990 , no lftp is an example |
| 18:54.14 | mcgregor | valdyn, well, that was just an example. and my question is, if I am do something similiar for debuild |
| 18:55.00 | valdyn | mcgregor: i dont think its possible on the debuild level |
| 18:55.16 | Titan8990_ | action09, download the source deb and look at the debian/rules file |
| 18:55.27 | mcgregor | valdyn, ok, thank you |
| 18:55.33 | valdyn | mcgregor: but if your package uses make then you can modify make |
| 18:55.42 | valdyn | mcgregor: debuild isnt limited to just make though |
| 18:56.33 | action09 | Titan8990 yes it was my first info, anyway i was searching for a one shot command line :) like e.g dpkginfo lftp : --> result : compiled with ssl support ; ) |
| 18:56.43 | action09 | Titan8990 anyway thanks for your answer :) |
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| 18:57.43 | Titan8990_ | action09, openssl is a good example of an option an app might lack (freeradius), due to license issues |
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| 18:58.13 | action09 | ho ok |
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| 19:08.18 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:09.30 | icebrain | !greet TrueDD |
| 19:09.31 | dpkg | Howdy, TrueDD |
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| 19:12.22 | TrueDD | :) |
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| 19:12.33 | TrueDD | Hi icebrain |
| 19:12.43 | TrueDD | Hi dpkg |
| 19:13.33 | asaleem | Titan8990, which part is device ID and which vender ID in lspci -nn output |
| 19:13.38 | wols | action09: apt-rdepends <package> |grep ssl |
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| 19:13.54 | wols | ,pciid 8086:1001 |
| 19:13.55 | judd | [8086:1001] is '086 mPCI 3B Europe ZZE' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1001 |
| 19:14.11 | wols | asaleem: tell us both. see above how it looks like |
| 19:16.56 | asaleem | judd, how did you know it is with kernel module e1000 |
| 19:17.36 | asaleem | judd, I got it |
| 19:17.57 | asaleem | wols, judd, I have this with lspci -n 00:00.0 0600: 8086:2560 |
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| 19:18.13 | asaleem | So I will lookup the last part only, right |
| 19:18.21 | wols | ,pciid 8086:2560 |
| 19:18.23 | judd | [8086:2560] is '82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'intel-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2560 |
| 19:18.25 | asaleem | 8086:2560 |
| 19:18.50 | wols | that is no ethernet card... and it should have told you right there |
| 19:19.18 | asaleem | wols, that was as an example |
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| 19:19.48 | asaleem | wols, judd, can I look that up when offline |
| 19:19.58 | asaleem | somewhere in a file |
| 19:20.13 | wols | define "that" |
| 19:20.17 | wols | judd is a bot btw |
| 19:20.33 | asaleem | wols, sorry, so funny |
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| 19:21.29 | Dark-Star | asaleem: get the PCI id list from pciids.sf.net |
| 19:21.57 | Dark-Star | wait that won't get you the driver info though |
| 19:22.01 | wols | Dark-Star: update-pciids is how it's done. and lspci uses that by default |
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| 19:23.01 | honar | hi, could anyone please pastebin the content of your grub menu.list |
| 19:23.14 | honar | i've choosen the installation without grub to use my previous installed grub |
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| 19:23.40 | honar | but doesn't manage to set the right parameters to boot debian |
| 19:24.14 | wols | honar: the # kopt line decides kernel parameters. the # in front is important, don't remove it |
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| 19:24.43 | honar | wols, i don't have any lines |
| 19:25.13 | honar | i want to use my grub from my previous gentoo installation |
| 19:25.28 | honar | so i choose to install without grub -> so no debian lines yet |
| 19:25.57 | action09 | wols thanks :) you'de be renamed w00ts :) |
| 19:26.49 | wols | honar: the lines are exactly the same as for your gentoo kernels. just debian kernel names and proper parameter. all that is needed is the root=/dev/wherever |
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| 19:27.13 | honar | no theres anything missing with initrd stuff ( doesnt have this on gentoo ) |
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| 19:27.56 | wols | initrd <initrdfile> |
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| 19:28.20 | wols | after the kernel file. the filename again depends on your kernel. initrd is created when you install the kernel. |
| 19:28.32 | wols | you also need to edit your /etc/kernel-img.conf |
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| 19:28.35 | honar | just post me an working config please |
| 19:28.52 | honar | oh.. than lets see |
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| 19:29.58 | honar | wols, what should i change in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 19:30.56 | wols | the update-grub parts. you don't need those |
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| 19:31.08 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 19:31.08 | honar | there are none |
| 19:31.25 | honar | certainly, because i choose to not use grub during the installation step |
| 19:31.26 | wols | could be cause you didn't install grub, dunno |
| 19:31.28 | TomyLobo | i want to switch from firefox 3.6 to iceweasel 3.5.6. any easy ways? |
| 19:31.39 | wols | TomyLobo: install iceweasel. done |
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| 19:31.53 | TomyLobo | wols yeah, all my extensions are gone ^^ |
| 19:32.01 | TomyLobo | though i'm not sure if i had any :D |
| 19:32.09 | TomyLobo | bookmarks seem to work |
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| 19:32.52 | honar | please s.o. could simple http://pastebin.com/ your /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
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| 19:38.34 | honar | hello? |
| 19:38.48 | Dark-Star | honar: I'd suggest "tune2fs -L foo /dev/whatever" and "root=LABEL=foo" instead of "root=/dev/whatever", this will reduce any hassle if the device nodes should ever decide to change (which they do quite often, at least for me) |
| 19:39.27 | honar | my device setting is correct |
| 19:39.29 | Dark-Star | I would post my menu.lst but I'm not using grub-legacy anymore so I only have grub.cfg (which is incompatible to the old format) |
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| 19:39.52 | honar | please do, i just need the right settings |
| 19:39.58 | honar | and know how to read the new grub conf |
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| 19:40.44 | Dark-Star | http://pastebin.ca/1812261 this is from debian-testing btw but it shouldn't matter |
| 19:41.03 | honar | thanks |
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| 19:43.26 | Dark-Star | hope it helps, don't blame me if you can't boot your box with that ;-) |
| 19:44.13 | Titan8990_ | honar, the tool `update-grub` is meant to build your menu.lst |
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| 19:45.41 | badzo | hello |
| 19:45.55 | Dark-Star | I, too, would suggest just installing grub and porting your old entries over. makes later updates easier because you don't forget to manually fix your menu.lst |
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| 19:46.44 | badzo | i have problen when upgrading debian from lenny to testing, i cannot finish it because of some udev problem |
| 19:47.01 | Dark-Star | heh, I had the same just a few minutes before ;-) |
| 19:47.14 | Dark-Star | gives you a warning about some kernel option and aborts, right? |
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| 19:47.31 | badzo | yep |
| 19:47.42 | Dark-Star | just update the kernel first (I used 2.6.32-trunk), reboot, and then update udev |
| 19:47.57 | badzo | how to do this? |
| 19:48.15 | badzo | i am using a cellphone so i cannot google it |
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| 19:48.26 | Ssmario2 | Hi, my wireless AP dont showup in NetworkManager applet, and i also noticed that the orange led doesn't blink at all, here is some info about my wireless card http://paste.ubuntu.com/384605/ THANKS |
| 19:48.29 | tabashco | !tell badzo about udev squeeze |
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| 19:48.50 | Dark-Star | "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686" (or -x64" if you're on 64bit) |
| 19:49.04 | Dark-Star | alternatively, use the hint from tabashco :) |
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| 19:49.17 | Titan8990_ | Dark-Star, amd64, not x64 |
| 19:49.28 | Dark-Star | yep, sorry, just looked it up myself |
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| 19:49.47 | badzo | thanks |
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| 19:51.18 | Dark-Star | Ssmario2: you sure you turned the card on? it often starts disabled. there should be a key combo for that. |
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| 19:52.10 | Ssmario2 | Dark-Star: there is a switch, and it didn't work |
| 19:53.47 | Dark-Star | hmmm... sorry, can't help you then. I'm not that much of a wireless guru (not even a debian guru FWIW ;-) |
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| 19:54.00 | buntfalke | where are all the qt3 themes gone? |
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| 19:54.06 | Ssmario2 | no probleme, thanks anyway |
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| 19:54.24 | Titan8990_ | buntfalke, kde-look.org? |
| 19:54.28 | buntfalke | It looks like CDE style or motif or someting, and qt-config doesn offer oxygen et cetera for qt3. (squeeze) |
| 19:54.29 | miha_ | Hi! I need help with flash. I use Debian testing and iceweasel that is in the testing repositories. I have Shockwave flash 10.0 r45 plugin in iceweasel. With apt-get i installed flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound. But still pages like machinarium.net don't work completely. I can see all the pictures and links and links get highlighted when i move mouse over them, but i can't follow them - when i click on a link, nothin |
| 19:54.29 | miha_ | g happens. Do you have any clue what might be the problem? |
| 19:54.35 | buntfalke | Titan8990_: you're kidding |
| 19:54.38 | uorygl | So, I've successfully set up Debian to use 6to4, so now I have an IPv6 address. The thing is, 6to4 allows a machine to use an entire /48 range, but I can only ping myself on the one address the interface is set to use. Can I set it to listen and respond on the entire range? |
| 19:54.38 | Dark-Star | btw what is the "correct" debian way of specifying additional system paths (e.g. /usr/local/foo/sbin)? edit /etc/profile? or is there another place? |
| 19:54.59 | uorygl | Do I want to set it to promiscuous mode or something? |
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| 19:57.37 | Ssmario2 | here is what i found on the logs : kernel: [ 2705.459269] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 20:00.35 | Dark-Star | Ssmario2: actually you want to keep your card in "managed" mode. your paste seems correct to me (my laptop config looked similar). The only thing that looks strange is the "Active: no" output from network manager |
| 20:01.02 | Ssmario2 | Dark-Star: yep |
| 20:01.28 | Dark-Star | you could try to install kismet and run it (as root) to see if it picks up any WLAN networks. if it does, then it's your network setup. if it doesn't then it's your hardware/driver |
| 20:02.02 | Ssmario2 | Dark-Star: ok i will try it, already installed ;) |
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| 20:15.30 | IceMaster | Hello |
| 20:15.40 | IceMaster | Hello i have a problem with sed : |
| 20:15.56 | IceMaster | sed -i 's/<VirtualHost \*:80>\nDocumentRoot \/webuser\/yoyo\/yoyo\///g' tototot |
| 20:16.11 | IceMaster | ns1:~# cat tototot |
| 20:16.11 | IceMaster | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 20:16.11 | IceMaster | DocumentRoot /webuser/yoyo/yoyo/ |
| 20:16.27 | Titan8990_ | IceMaster, ##sed |
| 20:16.32 | IceMaster | thanks |
| 20:16.36 | Dark-Star | sed doesn't do multiline by default. there's an option to turn it on |
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| 20:17.07 | Ssmario2 | Dark-Star: nothing :(, someone suggested me to upgrade to 2.6.30 |
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| 20:18.15 | Dark-Star | Ssmario2: so you don't see any networks at all? hmm... tried pushing that button again (it probably won't light the LED though)? |
| 20:19.27 | Ssmario2 | Dark-Star: nothing at all |
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| 20:19.43 | Ssmario2 | weird it worked well under ubuntu 9.10 |
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| 20:21.22 | natulmith | anyone using nvidia drivers on sid willing to pastebin a xorg.conf file? though any other xorg.conf file will be great too... |
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| 20:22.52 | Dark-Star | Ssmario2: well, you might try to update your kernel after all. ubuntu has newer kernels by default so that might help |
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| 20:23.39 | Ssmario2 | Dark-Star: yep |
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| 20:26.15 | linduxed | is it a known bug that i get my openvpn up and running, but get kicked after about 10 seconds? |
| 20:26.28 | linduxed | or is my configuration faulty in some way? |
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| 20:31.09 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, what does the client and server logs look like? |
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| 20:31.42 | linduxed | i get the connection refused code=111 in /var/log/openvpn.log |
| 20:31.51 | linduxed | it looks like a keepalive issue |
| 20:32.21 | OldMonk | i have root on md0, which is RAID-1 on two SCSI disks. there are also numerous other RAIDs on SATA disks. now when i boot md0 doesn't get created since the kernel takes time to detect the SCSI disks |
| 20:32.45 | OldMonk | is there any way to force the initrd MD assembly process to wait for the SCSI disks to get recognised? |
| 20:32.47 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, on the client? |
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| 20:34.14 | linduxed | Titan8990_: how do i check nm-applet logs? |
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| 20:34.38 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, no idea, i wouldn't use something like nm when doing testing |
| 20:35.00 | linduxed | Titan8990_: well i haven't got much else to test with atm |
| 20:35.04 | linduxed | but ill dig around |
| 20:35.35 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, what do you mean? launch openvpn from the command line |
| 20:35.58 | linduxed | Titan8990_: ok... |
| 20:36.15 | linduxed | Titan8990_: lotsa text falling down, basically openvpn --hel |
| 20:36.20 | linduxed | *--help |
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| 20:36.53 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, #openvpn |
| 20:37.11 | Dark-Star | OldMonk: did you try "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm"? it asks which arrays should be assembled first (for /) and writes that info into the initrd |
| 20:39.54 | OldMonk | Dark-Star: issue is that at the time the initrd starts assembling md0, the SCSI disks aren't ready |
| 20:40.50 | wols | the assmebling is done via script inside initrd. maybe add some wait() calls? |
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| 20:41.11 | Dark-Star | OldMonk: hm well the option should specifically work for root-on-md (at least that's what dpkg-reconfigure tells me, I have only non-root raids) |
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| 20:41.40 | OldMonk | wols: i wanted to avoid that, since it'll get overwritten next time dpkg remakes initrd |
| 20:41.41 | Dark-Star | you could try to add "sleep 5" into the script but I don't know what the correct debian way of editing the initrd scripts is so I can't really help you there :) |
| 20:42.21 | OldMonk | Dark-Star: if there is a standard way of adding a delay in a specific place in initrd i'll be glad to know it too! |
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| 20:43.17 | OldMonk | i get dropped into initramfs and immediately see the scsi detection messages from the kernel |
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| 20:44.18 | Dark-Star | but anyway, it's strange that the kernel tries to assemble the raid before it sees the disks... that shouldn't happen. you're on lenny, right? |
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| 20:44.38 | Dark-Star | and you *did* dpkg-reconfigure mdadm to include md0 as "required for root", right? |
| 20:44.54 | OldMonk | 5.0.2 |
| 20:45.11 | OldMonk | Dark-Star: yes, that just adds a line in /etc/default/mdadm |
| 20:45.52 | OldMonk | one time in about 5 it manages to find the disks before assembly, then the system boots |
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| 20:46.28 | adb | add rootdelay=xx to kernel command line ... |
| 20:46.37 | OldMonk | adb: ah! thanks! |
| 20:46.44 | adb | yw |
| 20:46.55 | Dark-Star | good to know, that one :) |
| 20:47.06 | adb | xx usually is 10 |
| 20:47.19 | OldMonk | that's what i put :) |
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| 20:47.34 | linduxed | Titan8990_: how do i open up UDP traffic on a certain port? |
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| 20:47.58 | OldMonk | *phew* |
| 20:48.05 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, its open by default... so reverse whatever you did to block it |
| 20:48.18 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, but you need a daemon listening on the port for a connection to do anything |
| 20:48.47 | linduxed | Titan8990_: hmmm, dunno if ive blocked it, don't think so |
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| 20:49.20 | linduxed | Titan8990_: basically googling gave me the hint of it either being a timestamp issue ive got (solvable by doing rdate) |
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| 20:49.37 | OldMonk | adb: that seems to be working (added to grug.cnf), one more boot and i owe you a beverage of your choice |
| 20:49.41 | linduxed | Titan8990_: or it's the firewall blocking UDP traffic |
| 20:49.47 | OldMonk | er, grub.cnf |
| 20:49.51 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, really? because connection refused is typically what happens when there is no daemon listening on the port |
| 20:50.03 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, you really should move over to #openvpn as they know much more about it |
| 20:50.28 | linduxed | Titan8990_: im already there, but it's pretty quiet there |
| 20:50.29 | Dark-Star | erm... UDB is connectionless, so you shouldn't get "connection refused" at all |
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| 20:51.16 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, im sure they also have a mailing list |
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| 20:52.03 | OldMonk | later, and thanks adb |
| 20:52.08 | adb | ye |
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| 20:54.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.45 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.55 | FinnTux | any idea when linux-kbuild-2.6.32 comes to backports? |
| 20:55.22 | cast | hmm, what is linux-kbuild? |
| 20:55.56 | cast | ahh, nvm. i stfa |
| 20:56.02 | FinnTux | dependency for linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 20:56.47 | nvz | since when do kernel headers have dependancies?! |
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| 20:58.00 | FinnTux | quite a long time I guess |
| 20:58.21 | ylluminate | okay, i need some intensive help for a moment |
| 20:58.49 | ylluminate | i have a dreamhost box that i'm wanting to compile apps on; in particular i'm trying to compile couchdb on a deb 4.0 system |
| 20:58.58 | ylluminate | its eol in a month and they're updating it then |
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| 20:59.03 | ylluminate | but i have to live with this for now |
| 20:59.10 | cast | i'd like something like iptraf's ip traffic monitor, but only with the pid responsible where possible, anyone know of much an app? basically i just want a list of ips a host connected to and where available what process was involved |
| 20:59.27 | nono | iftop |
| 21:00.41 | Titan8990_ | judd, versions couchdb |
| 21:00.43 | judd | couchdb -- lenny: 0.8.0-2; squeeze: 0.10.0-1; sid: 0.10.1-1 |
| 21:00.47 | adb | ylluminate, what's 'dreamhost' ? |
| 21:00.52 | ylluminate | hosting |
| 21:00.57 | ylluminate | using their private servers |
| 21:00.58 | Titan8990_ | adb, its a bad hosting provider |
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| 21:01.14 | ylluminate | nah, not that bad. they have 8 xeon cores for processing |
| 21:01.16 | adb | heh Titan8990 |
| 21:01.26 | ylluminate | and with a highly parallel dbms like couch |
| 21:01.28 | cast | thinks |
| 21:01.34 | ylluminate | it potentially can fly |
| 21:01.36 | Titan8990_ | ylluminate, the hardware means nothing.... you will understand when a VPS company screws you over |
| 21:01.54 | ylluminate | i've been with so many vps companies it will make your head spin |
| 21:01.56 | ylluminate | seriously |
| 21:01.58 | ylluminate | and dedicated |
| 21:02.09 | adb | ylluminate, deb 4.0 system is old and no more security |
| 21:02.12 | ylluminate | been down this road a long time |
| 21:02.13 | ylluminate | i know adb |
| 21:02.23 | ylluminate | i'm just living with it for a moment; its fine for now |
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| 21:02.27 | ylluminate | anyway |
| 21:02.35 | cast | nono: and how do i get the process involved? |
| 21:02.49 | Titan8990_ | A year later, approximately 700 websites and 3,500 FTP accounts hosted on DreamHost's servers were compromised. The following January, DreamHost accidentally billed some users for an extra year's worth of services, which they initially reported as $7.5 million in extra charges. |
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| 21:04.36 | linduxed | Titan8990_: interestingly, the stuff suddenly decided to work |
| 21:04.38 | ylluminate | yep, know all about htat |
| 21:04.42 | ylluminate | had no problems with them Titan8990_ |
| 21:04.47 | linduxed | Titan8990_: no change, it just works now |
| 21:04.48 | ylluminate | anyway |
| 21:04.55 | ylluminate | i'm just trying to figure something out with debian |
| 21:05.01 | ylluminate | that's all |
| 21:05.03 | linduxed | Titan8990_: as in "it doesn't drop after 30 secs" |
| 21:05.10 | Titan8990_ | linduxed, nice |
| 21:05.20 | ylluminate | i need to be able to get src debs compiling |
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| 21:05.56 | linduxed | it's quite weird but... some classic redmond randomness can be nice from time to time |
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| 21:06.29 | paradoxmonkey | Does anyone have some experience with ipv6 tunnelbreakers? |
| 21:06.52 | cast | nethogs looks like what i want :) |
| 21:06.58 | cast | paradoxmonkey: do you mean brokers? |
| 21:07.05 | nono | ok |
| 21:07.09 | paradoxmonkey | cast: yes |
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| 21:08.10 | ylluminate | my apt sources: |
| 21:08.11 | ylluminate | http://pastebin.com/WKRa6EUU |
| 21:08.43 | paradoxmonkey | Does one still need NAT if one uses ipv6 tunnelbrokers? |
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| 21:09.29 | ylluminate | so when i `sudo apt-get build-dep couchdb` |
| 21:09.35 | ylluminate | i get E: Build-Depends dependency for couchdb cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 21:10.01 | ylluminate | where do i start to resolve that? |
| 21:10.03 | Arrowmaster | paradoxmonkey: if you want to have access to the rest of the internet that isnt using ipv6 yet you should probably keep the NAT |
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| 21:11.17 | adb | judd, versions couchdb |
| 21:11.17 | judd | couchdb -- lenny: 0.8.0-2; squeeze: 0.10.0-1; sid: 0.10.1-1 |
| 21:11.22 | paradoxmonkey | Arrowmaster: So there is no way to get rid of NAT unless my ISP begins to support ipv6? |
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| 21:11.51 | ylluminate | so i'm needing .10 right now |
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| 21:12.25 | pawel314 | Is it possible to find somewhere older versions of packages from sid (~ two months old)? |
| 21:12.31 | Ssmario2 | it works fine with the 2.6.32 kernel |
| 21:12.58 | Titan8990_ | !tell pawel314 about snapshots |
| 21:13.01 | karlpinc | paradoxmonkey: You can get a better ISP. |
| 21:13.13 | Arrowmaster | paradoxmonkey: even when your isp supports ipv6, unless they completely stop giving you ipv4 addresses you will still likely need to use NAT, and even if they do stop giving you ipv4 addresses it means they will likely be running their own NAT for when you try to connect to ipv4 only hosts |
| 21:13.54 | ylluminate | but i cannot get it to pull in; what do i do next? |
| 21:13.55 | Arrowmaster | short answer, you cant get rid of NAT until the entire internet switches to ipv6 |
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| 21:14.10 | karlpinc | Or, your isp gives out static addresses. |
| 21:14.39 | jhutchins_lt | Why don't we just switch over to using the MAC instead of IP addresses? |
| 21:14.49 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Because it does not route. |
| 21:14.57 | cast | jhutchins_lt: bahaha |
| 21:15.08 | adb | ylluminate, add deb-sec from sid |
| 21:15.09 | pawel314 | thx Titan8990_ ! |
| 21:15.15 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: You mean it lacks hierarchical organization? |
| 21:15.17 | paradoxmonkey | So there is no real point to go with ipv6 until everyone is using it? |
| 21:15.21 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.29 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Basically. |
| 21:15.34 | ylluminate | adb, gotcha, what is that off the top? |
| 21:15.46 | zinx | paradoxmonkey: perhaps if there's no reason to use the internet until everyone is using it |
| 21:15.54 | nooper | ipv6 does have a bigger address. and as we all know, bigger address = bigger e-penis |
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| 21:16.10 | Dark-Star | why not use teredo? |
| 21:16.11 | Arrowmaster | paradoxmonkey: if you wish to connect to ipv6 only hosts its useful |
| 21:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | So let's just pile some hierarchical addressing on top of the MAC, and we won't need NAT> |
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| 21:16.15 | jhutchins_lt | . |
| 21:16.24 | adb | ylluminate, a wrong line , for me |
| 21:16.25 | ylluminate | adb: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 21:16.25 | Arrowmaster | jhutchins_lt: thats exactly what ipv6 does |
| 21:16.25 | ylluminate | ? |
| 21:16.31 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Gosh. You just invented IP. |
| 21:16.44 | adb | ylluminate, yes |
| 21:16.47 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Funny how that works. |
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| 21:17.25 | simonrvn | address space |
| 21:17.51 | jhutchins_lt | We could generate hierarchical UUID's for each machine. |
| 21:18.29 | cast | not sure jhutchins_lt reinventing the internet, poorly, is very ontopic ;P |
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| 21:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | cast: Apologies, you're right. |
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| 21:35.30 | ylluminate | anyone available to help troubleshoot my aforementioned issues? |
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| 21:35.57 | ylluminate | i'm pretty overwhelmed at the moment and would like to hire someone for a very short period of time to whack through these with me |
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| 21:37.11 | wols | ylluminate: if you can't build a backport since it needs a dependency, you simply have to backport the dependency too. this can get ugly and cumbersome fast of course |
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| 21:37.30 | ylluminate | yes it can; but i need to know if that is the issue |
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| 21:37.42 | ylluminate | else i'll just end up pulling down the source and building this manually |
| 21:37.55 | ylluminate | which is fine, but i'd prefer to do it the right way if possible |
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| 21:39.35 | buntfalke | Which squeeze package contains qt3 themes that arent as ugly as motif and co? |
| 21:39.54 | buntfalke | since kde4 is in testing, all kde themes are gone, and just a bunch of really old ones left, like cde and so on |
| 21:40.34 | sylar | I am trying to upgrade openoffice from backports, and it complains about broken packages |
| 21:40.44 | sylar | *(synaptic) |
| 21:41.09 | sylar | it wanted to remove a few packages and failed |
| 21:41.16 | sylar | I don't know what its problem |
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| 21:42.21 | abrotman | sylar: how did you do it ? |
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| 21:43.14 | Ruyan | Hi, have a problem, cannot connect to ftp://debian.sh.cvut.cz lenny/updates/main Sources, Failed to open file. cannot download ftp://debian.sh.cvut.cz/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources cannot get file |
| 21:43.36 | Ruyan | i have tried many other mirrors, still same |
| 21:43.43 | sylar | abrotman, force version on openoffice.org |
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| 21:43.51 | abrotman | sylar: the ocmmand, and the output |
| 21:44.04 | abrotman | Ruyan: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 21:44.20 | sylar | abrotman, synaptic, it is a gui |
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| 21:44.47 | Ruyan | # |
| 21:44.47 | Ruyan | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20090906-12:06]/ lenny main |
| 21:44.47 | Ruyan | deb ftp://debian.sh.cvut.cz/debian/ lenny main |
| 21:44.47 | Ruyan | deb-src ftp://debian.sh.cvut.cz/debian/ lenny main |
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| 21:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: Try the console version. |
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| 21:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | Often the first step in troubleshooting: get the GUI out of the way. |
| 21:45.24 | abrotman | sylar: aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org |
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| 21:46.00 | yeoman_ | hey. shoul /mnt be empty? |
| 21:46.10 | yeoman_ | should |
| 21:46.14 | azeem_ | yeoman_: it's entirely fine |
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| 21:46.20 | sylar | abrotman, and I have a NOT AUTHENTICATED warning |
| 21:46.22 | azeem_ | unless you just wanted to mount something there |
| 21:46.27 | cast | yeoman_: depends. |
| 21:46.55 | Ruyan | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1812461 |
| 21:47.06 | xaashi | hi all. is there a Debian equivalent to ubuntu-server iso .. i need a simple/small no-x distro |
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| 21:47.30 | cast | xaashi: no. just don't install x. |
| 21:47.31 | sylar | i'll talk to dpkg about the key |
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| 21:47.56 | xaashi | cast, fair point |
| 21:47.58 | xaashi | thanks |
| 21:48.10 | cast | xaashi: i tend to use the netinst cd for base installs |
| 21:48.26 | xaashi | cast: yep was thinking that |
| 21:48.53 | Ruyan | any idea? |
| 21:49.30 | CharlyCoste | hi! felas... |
| 21:49.31 | yeoman_ | I wann create a psuedo-partition for tinycorelinux. The docs say you can mount an hda1 and copy the kernel and initrd files there |
| 21:50.02 | wols | yeoman_: you're in the wrong channel |
| 21:50.29 | wols | xaashi: at the end of the debian install you get a screen where you can choose roles like "desktop" "webserver" and such. disable everything and you have what you want |
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| 21:50.52 | Ruyan | abrotman sources.list is on http://pastebin.ca/1812461 |
| 21:51.15 | yeoman_ | wols: I don't wanna blow up my awsome debian installation. That's why I ask here. |
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| 21:51.25 | abrotman | sylar: then you failed to follow the instructions at the backports.org website |
| 21:51.36 | abrotman | Ruyan: line #10 is wrong |
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| 21:52.25 | sylar | abrotman, it is not the first time i use backport, they changed the key |
| 21:52.46 | sylar | abrotman, and I installed the new one and it still warns me |
| 21:52.47 | yeoman_ | I'm just looking for a way to build a kernel for this machine.. a newbie way |
| 21:52.49 | Ruyan | what is wrong? i never changed it since i install it |
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| 21:53.52 | HD-VHS | WHERE IS PHP |
| 21:53.56 | sylar | abrotman, and the funny thing is that synaptic warn, and gives an empty list of the not authenticated packages |
| 21:54.24 | abrotman | sylar: well, you have to run `aptitude update' or apt-get update after tyou install the key |
| 21:54.27 | HD-VHS | $ su - |
| 21:54.31 | abrotman | Ruyan: the line is malformed |
| 21:54.37 | HD-VHS | # irssi & |
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| 21:55.04 | HD-VHS | Sorry. |
| 21:55.15 | Ruyan | shall i erase it? |
| 21:55.22 | abrotman | Ruyan: use a '#' to comment it out |
| 21:55.31 | HD-VHS | Anyway: # apt-get install php fails |
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| 21:55.37 | abrotman | HD-VHS: uname -r ? |
| 21:55.39 | sylar | debian-backports-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 21:55.43 | kantor | hi |
| 21:55.46 | abrotman | sylar: that's not what i said .. |
| 21:56.05 | HD-VHS | 2.4.18 |
| 21:56.06 | sylar | abrotman, i did apt-get update before |
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| 21:56.13 | abrotman | HD-VHS: try again |
| 21:56.17 | Ruyan | now its all right |
| 21:56.20 | Ruyan | thx |
| 21:56.22 | abrotman | sylar: which key does it say is missing ? |
| 21:56.35 | Ruyan | but still don't know why its wrong. |
| 21:56.36 | HD-VHS | 2.4.19-pa22 |
| 21:56.42 | abrotman | HD-VHS: try again |
| 21:56.43 | sylar | abrotman, synaptic doesn't get that specific |
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| 21:57.08 | abrotman | sylar: use aptitude |
| 21:57.20 | HD-VHS | Other one also isn't working, 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:57.50 | sylar | aptitude scares me. I don't know anything about it, and it start to remove stuff on its own mind |
| 21:58.03 | abrotman | sylar: synaptic scares me .. |
| 21:58.19 | adb | heh |
| 21:58.25 | sylar | synaptic gives you a choice |
| 21:58.27 | HD-VHS | E: Couldn't find package php |
| 21:58.53 | kantor | I've wrote a little, simple program that gets the architecture bit, byte, and and long (in case when the architecture is mixed endian) endianness, where should I publish it ? , because maybe somebody could find it useful . . . but it is not a project to put it on sourceforge, or gnu savannah . . . |
| 21:58.58 | Ruyan | Why i can't build-dep mozilla-firefox? |
| 21:59.14 | HD-VHS | kantor: Cool. :) |
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| 21:59.26 | wols | Ruyan: cause there is no firefox in debian. there is however iceweasel |
| 22:00.01 | abrotman | sylar: a choice of what? |
| 22:00.05 | Ruyan | i know, but i need mozilla to make extension for thunderbird(icedove) |
| 22:00.16 | wols | Ruyan: you need it why? |
| 22:00.34 | wols | what is iceweasel lacking that you need? |
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| 22:01.50 | sylar | abrotman, when it choose to remove stuff |
| 22:01.51 | Ruyan | iceweasel is fine, nothing wrong, i like it, just at mozilla.org they says that i need mozilla SDK to develope extensions for icedove or thunderbird |
| 22:01.58 | abrotman | sylar: so does aptitude |
| 22:02.33 | nvz | I've started using chrome for most everything unless it decides to be stupid then I go back to using IW |
| 22:02.43 | nvz | chrome is faster and lighter on resouces |
| 22:03.00 | sylar | it seem very complicated to upgrade openoffice, now it want to remove aspell |
| 22:03.07 | wols | and closed source. and phoning home |
| 22:03.17 | nvz | though the debian version of chrome doesn't seem nearly as snappy as the windows versions |
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| 22:04.16 | nvz | and it requires you to have lsb installed in order to work which I think is overkill.. whoever is maintaining the package probably doesn't know what the hell they are doing |
| 22:04.21 | Ruyan | is xul a mozilla SDK equivalent on Debian? |
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| 22:04.43 | Ruyan | then is there xpidl in xul-runner? |
| 22:05.08 | wols | Ruyan: pdo knows |
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| 22:06.00 | wols | and yes there is an sdk for it |
| 22:06.16 | jhutchins | I would think that if you're developing for firefox, you'd install the firefox code from Mozilla. |
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| 22:06.35 | sylar | I hope apt-get install will work :/ |
| 22:06.36 | Ruyan | for thunderbird2 |
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| 22:07.12 | Ruyan | i have tried it, but says there is icedove already |
| 22:08.23 | sylar | seems like getting openoffice.org-core is the solution |
| 22:08.37 | sylar | that one gets all the rest instead of messing arround |
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| 22:11.36 | abrotman | there shouldn't be messing around .. it's a pretty simple procedure |
| 22:12.46 | sylar | trying to install openoffie.org by apt-get got the message that it depends on openoffice.org-core, synaptice however craped |
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| 22:13.53 | abrotman | sylar: APTITUDE |
| 22:13.55 | abrotman | wtf .. |
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| 22:14.11 | buntfalke | hehe |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | if you aren't going to use the answers .. why do you ask for help? |
| 22:14.41 | sylar | hide under the pavement |
| 22:14.52 | Polleke | I've rebuild openssh with some different configure options. dch named the new version openssh_5.1p1-5.1. But now aptitude tells me to downgrade back to openssh_5.1p1-5. |
| 22:14.59 | VaffanculoNostra | abrotman: My nickname complies with Freenode policy in English, but not Italian. :( |
| 22:15.37 | nono | http://noirdez.com/son/jukebox.htm |
| 22:16.01 | abrotman | VaffanculoNostra: go troll somewhere else |
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| 22:16.23 | VaffanculoNostra | abrotman: Okay, but I am using Debian. |
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| 22:16.47 | mike31 | what is a portable way to search for a program in the search path from a makefile. gmake has pathsearch macro and bsdmake exists. maybe which as alternative? |
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| 22:21.57 | pappanz | hello. I have just installed debian squeeze on a imac g3. why am I forced to change the password at *every* login (root or normal user)? |
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| 22:23.40 | VaffanculoNostra | pappanz: Yeah, passwords are annoying. That's why implemented my own .deb that modifies /sbin/init to a custom init program I wrote in C. It goes straight to a shell without wasting time with password prompts. |
| 22:23.49 | MariachiAC | Hello. i was in here a couple of hours ago asking what to do when upgrading from deian lenny to squeeze since udev-151-2_i386.dev fails to install. Someone recommended me to downlaod and install udev-151-1 but I'm not sure where to download the file. |
| 22:23.51 | VaffanculoNostra | pappanz: But did you look through /var/log? |
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| 22:25.24 | VaffanculoNostra | pappanz: Also, Apple has discontinued support for the PowerPC architecture, and Debian will follow suit after it drops ARM. |
| 22:25.48 | zinx | say what? |
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| 22:25.53 | dondelelcaro | VaffanculoNostra: it will be a while before we drop support for powerpc |
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| 22:26.07 | MalgrandaKodo | Saluton debianistoj |
| 22:26.07 | zinx | why the heck would Debian drop support for ARM? |
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| 22:26.27 | dondelelcaro | zinx: we probably won't do that either |
| 22:26.39 | zinx | ARM's starting to /gain/ popularity.. |
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| 22:26.43 | zinx | dondelelcaro: oh, i know |
| 22:26.54 | zinx | i'm just wondering why VaffanculoNostra thinks Debian would drop support for ARM |
| 22:27.19 | dondelelcaro | zinx: it's possible that we may consolidate on armel or similar, but I'm honestly not sure which way to go |
| 22:27.21 | pappanz | VaffanculoNostra, what will Debian follow? sorry I did not get your sentence |
| 22:27.27 | MalgrandaKodo | I am working on a seriously effed up system and want to make it support more ... terminals in text mode |
| 22:27.38 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: /etc/inittab |
| 22:27.43 | cahoot | zinx: why bite on an obvious troll? |
| 22:27.47 | VaffanculoNostra | It happened to SPARC. |
| 22:27.53 | zinx | cahoot: nothing better to do? |
| 22:28.04 | VaffanculoNostra | Soory guys. |
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| 22:28.20 | zinx | VaffanculoNostra: SPARC is dead/abandoned |
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| 22:28.33 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: yeah, I am afraid of bricking my installation and thus wondered whether someone can tell me whether I thought correctly |
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| 22:28.48 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: thought what? |
| 22:28.51 | MalgrandaKodo | this box can't be accessed via boot CD |
| 22:28.54 | zinx | VaffanculoNostra: PowerPC will probably end up that way, but I think IBM or whoever are still holding on to it |
| 22:28.54 | wols | MariachiAC: what was the error? |
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| 22:29.08 | dondelelcaro | pappanz: what does passwd -S foouser; say? |
| 22:29.09 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: what needs to be changed |
| 22:29.20 | MalgrandaKodo | Can I query you? |
| 22:29.39 | pappanz | dondelelcaro, ehm |
| 22:29.56 | dondelelcaro | pappanz: that'll tell you why the password is being expired or what precisely is going on |
| 22:30.06 | dondelelcaro | pappanz: man passwd; for more details |
| 22:30.13 | wols | no you cannot. and have you looked at inittab yet? |
| 22:30.23 | pappanz | dondelelcaro, I guess you got the point because I got: "foouser P 01/01/1970 0 99999 7 -1" |
| 22:30.26 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: I have |
| 22:30.41 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: the comments are self explanatory |
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| 22:30.56 | MariachiAC | wols: it said a package failed to install. It was suppose to be upgraded when upgradingg to debian squeeze. |
| 22:31.00 | MalgrandaKodo | there are no comments on this one |
| 22:31.15 | wols | MariachiAC: last time: what was the error? |
| 22:31.19 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: uname -r |
| 22:31.21 | VaffanculoNostra | I love trolling comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware. |
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| 22:31.46 | wols | finally |
| 22:32.20 | MalgrandaKodo | 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:32.22 | dondelelcaro | pappanz: so the last time you changed the password was 01/01/1970, which doesn't appear to be correct at all. |
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| 22:32.45 | pappanz | dondelelcaro, yep, I guess system time is completely wrong |
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| 22:33.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell pappanz -about set the time |
| 22:33.01 | pappanz | how can I reset it? was it tzdata? |
| 22:33.15 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: you need to upgrade. and there are comments in the debian inittab. it's the getty lines. just remember, tty7 is reserved for X |
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| 22:33.30 | wols | pappanz: I'd run ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 22:33.38 | xaashi | hi all, any advice on installing debian (net-install) on machine which that has a usb-serial as the only direct user interface? .. i can currently boot it (using an old usbstick) and login via usb-serial after the kernel loads. thanks |
| 22:33.55 | pappanz | wols, yep, problem is I have no connection at all |
| 22:33.59 | wols | xaashi: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 22:34.29 | pappanz | as I told yesterday I wanted to share the incoming connection from another computer with a cross cable |
| 22:34.31 | wols | pappanz: date -s (man date) |
| 22:34.49 | pappanz | but I am really too stupid to make the right configuration |
| 22:34.52 | wols | pappanz: after that, hwclock --systohc to make sure BIOS clock is sane too |
| 22:34.53 | xaashi | wols: as in debootstrap? |
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| 22:35.57 | MariachiAC | wols: the error says errors were encountered while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_151-2_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Setting up libudev0 (151-2) |
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| 22:36.09 | wols | MariachiAC: that is not the error |
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| 22:36.42 | wols | MariachiAC: install udev only with aptitude and check what it says |
| 22:36.50 | pappanz | wols, does the BIOS clock check work for ppc architecture too? |
| 22:37.11 | wols | pappanz: it should. go to pdo and check if hwclock exists on PPC |
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| 22:37.31 | MariachiAC | wos: Thats what i just did. That was the error I showed when envoking aptitude install udev. |
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| 22:37.45 | pappanz | wols, what's pdo? |
| 22:38.02 | deathZor | hey guys looking who to install ipvs module is it like a deb package in apt-get ? |
| 22:38.02 | wols | !pdo |
| 22:38.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 22:38.04 | wols | and yes, it's available on ppc |
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| 22:39.22 | pappanz | wols, wups thanks |
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| 22:39.31 | nono | The Stranglers: Golden Brown |
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| 22:39.49 | wols | nono: don't. not in here |
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| 22:40.06 | wols | deathZor: check your kernel config |
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| 22:40.22 | nono | wols:ok |
| 22:40.25 | foo-nix | I have set a nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to 192.168.2.1 but it keeps 'changing' to 192.168.186.1; and whoch breaks my intenet. |
| 22:40.28 | foo-nix | How can I fix this? |
| 22:40.33 | wols | deathZor: grep IP_VS /boot/config* |
| 22:40.54 | deathZor | wols, its a vps :P |
| 22:40.59 | MariachiAC | wols: So what should i do? |
| 22:41.00 | deathZor | no config in /boot ;) |
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| 22:41.09 | wols | foo-nix: tell your dhcp client in /etc/dhclient.conf not to get a dns server. or you can be evil and chattr +i the resolv.conf file |
| 22:41.17 | wols | deathZor: no debian then |
| 22:41.34 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: I can't upgrade... |
| 22:41.38 | wols | MariachiAC: that is not the error you got |
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| 22:42.16 | MalgrandaKodo | it tells me 80-ish packages are held back bt none strike me to be kernely |
| 22:42.31 | deathZor | wols, it is debian but its not a debian problem i guess |
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| 22:42.56 | nono | foo-nix /etc/hostname? |
| 22:42.56 | MariachiAC | wols: (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:43.02 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: what has that to do with anything? /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 22:43.16 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: pastebin the FULL output |
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| 22:44.04 | foo-nix | http://pastebin.com/M0VM9W6j |
| 22:44.10 | foo-nix | nono, http://pastebin.com/M0VM9W6j |
| 22:44.37 | wols | that's the same pastebin link foo-nix... |
| 22:45.01 | foo-nix | wols, iknow, I wanted to send it to nono but forgot to specify his name |
| 22:45.19 | nono | no matter |
| 22:45.24 | MariachiAC | wols: Thats the error i get. |
| 22:45.31 | wols | MariachiAC: no it's not. have a nice day |
| 22:45.45 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: is there a command to automatically pastebin the output of a command as exists in Gentoo? |
| 22:45.58 | wols | there is pastebinit |
| 22:46.30 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: sorry the pastebin thing was aimed at MariachiAC. but I guess that's obsolete now |
| 22:48.22 | wols | foo-nix: your problem has nothing to do with your hostname btw. either fix your dhcp server or change the client config |
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| 22:49.05 | MariachiAC | http://pastebin.org/98130 |
| 22:49.46 | wols | MariachiAC: follow the nice, easy to understand text you just pasted |
| 22:49.55 | wols | it clearly tells you what to do |
| 22:50.22 | wols | heck, it even says "please" |
| 22:50.34 | MalgrandaKodo | wols: I can't upgrade to lenny... unless I'd get much free space |
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| 22:50.57 | MalgrandaKodo | like a quarter of my harddisk capacity |
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| 22:51.14 | wols | MalgrandaKodo: you will have to. in about a month, no more etch support |
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| 22:52.42 | MalgrandaKodo | well, this PoS has 2GB harddisk capacity. In total. apt wants 500+x MB for caching |
| 22:53.54 | wols | hint: you can upgrade piecemeal if you want |
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| 22:56.13 | nono | non est parti |
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| 22:57.56 | Space_Ace | Hi: I purchased a netgear dgn1000 router/modem. It doen't work with lenny (I'm in win now, where it works). It doesn't access any web page (ping 192.168.0.1 = network unreachable). I guess I have a DNS problem, but I'm stuck. Can anybody advise? |
| 22:58.20 | wols | Space_Ace: do you use wlan to access the router? |
| 22:58.39 | wols | if the ping to a numeric IP fails, there is no dns problem |
| 22:58.56 | josephg | Space_Ace: (ping 192.168.0.1 = network unreachable) is not a dns problem |
| 22:59.04 | pappanz | hey wols it worked thanks |
| 22:59.29 | nsadmin | if the ping to a numeric IP fails, that says nothing about whether there is no dns problem |
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| 23:00.12 | nsadmin | numeric IP failure probably means you have no connection at all |
| 23:00.40 | nsadmin | did you get it used? |
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| 23:04.04 | yeoman | can i do apt-get update grub to get from 0.95 to the newest... |
| 23:04.12 | nono | aptitude install cycle |
| 23:04.21 | yeoman | with no args? safely? |
| 23:04.23 | Space_Ace | Well, I have no idea, basically - I'm in win at the moment. I tried also pppoeconf, it didn't find anything |
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| 23:04.44 | nsadmin | did you get it used? |
| 23:04.46 | josephg | Space_Ace: an ethernet router/modem not working has nothing to do with debian or lenny. |
| 23:04.49 | Space_Ace | I have a stand-alone PC |
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| 23:05.22 | wols | Space_Ace: please answer me |
| 23:05.44 | wols | yeoman: which debian branch? |
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| 23:06.04 | yeoman | wols lenny |
| 23:06.08 | josephg | Space_Ace: you probably need to troubleshoot independantly of your OS. switching from lenny to windows is not going to be of any help, imho! |
| 23:06.10 | yeoman | from sarge |
| 23:06.11 | Space_Ace | josephg: ok, with winxp there's a wizard on the CD, the manual says to configure it manually with aither Linux or Mac, as I said, It didn't even access the first step |
| 23:06.25 | wols | yeoman: yes you can. but upgrading frm sarge to lenny is not supported for anything |
| 23:06.44 | yeoman | lol. so i've noticed :| |
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| 23:07.08 | nsadmin | VaffanculoNostra but I don't do any help stuff off channel |
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| 23:07.27 | iElijah | 0.o |
| 23:07.51 | wols | VaffanculoNostra is trying to troll people in PMs now that he is quieted in here. so whoever gets a message: tell him to fuck off or /ignore him immediately |
| 23:08.01 | josephg | yeoman i used apt-get to upgrade grub and it was flawless. i'm not convinced whether grub2 is indeed more efficient though. |
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| 23:09.54 | josephg | wols: VaffanculoNostra was in #freenode some time ago, complaining to the ops that you were harassing him at #debian. |
| 23:10.17 | nono | yeoman: apt-get update |
| 23:10.17 | nono | apt-get upgrade |
| 23:10.17 | nono | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:10.20 | azeem_ | josephg: are you freenode staff? |
| 23:10.23 | wols | he messaged me unasked, I told him to fuck off |
| 23:10.54 | wols | nono: please read before you advise people |
| 23:11.01 | josephg | azeem_: no |
| 23:11.14 | azeem_ | josephg: then please keep it on topic |
| 23:11.26 | keith4_ | nono, sarge -> lenny will be SAD FACE |
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| 23:11.53 | keith4_ | at this point, he'd have to sarge -> etch, maybe etch-n-half first |
| 23:11.53 | yeoman | :( |
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| 23:12.08 | wols | yeoman: maybe you should state your current problem |
| 23:12.29 | wols | cause it doesn't matter if you run grub 0.95 or 0.97. either can boot a linux kernel |
| 23:12.34 | josephg | azeem_: sorry for disturbing you. i'm off... |
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| 23:13.03 | yeoman | i should've set apt sources to /etch but used stable main instead |
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| 23:13.26 | wols | we already know that. but we don't know what your problem is |
| 23:13.59 | yeoman | dpkg advises me to rebuild the kernel |
| 23:13.59 | dpkg | no idea, yeoman |
| 23:14.08 | wols | !tell yeoman about errors |
| 23:14.15 | wols | and dpkg NEVER tells you that. ever. |
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| 23:14.50 | wols | ban evasion. yeah!. grounds for a kline |
| 23:14.56 | nsadmin | !listvals rebuild |
| 23:14.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rebuild' by value (10): package database repair ;; kernel compile ;; centos ;; whitebox linux ;; 5.0.2a ;; trunk kernel ;; mlocate ;; getsource ;; imagination ;; kernel abi. |
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| 23:16.07 | nsadmin | !kernel compile |
| 23:16.07 | dpkg | well, kernel compile is To (re)build the official kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage ; for personal kernel packages it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg> |
| 23:16.16 | wols | nono: /msg dpkg msgthebot |
| 23:16.29 | wols | rather: nsadmin: |
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| 23:16.41 | nsadmin | just pointing out "never" is a strong word... |
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| 23:17.05 | wols | nono: the right one. dpkg NEVER tells you that. debian doesn't really want you to compile kernels. it has prebuilt ones |
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| 23:17.21 | nono | ? |
| 23:17.49 | wols | nono: nsadmin and nono begin with the same letter. and I'm lazy |
| 23:17.55 | nsadmin | it's irrelevent what debian wants if the user wants to do it, the user takes precedence on his own machine |
| 23:18.06 | nono | http://www.playingforchange.com/episodes/8/War_No_More_Trouble |
| 23:18.21 | wols | what dpkg tells you comes from debian. not from the user. think before you type, k? have a nice day |
| 23:19.19 | nsadmin | comes from people who give it factoids... |
| 23:19.32 | wols | dpkg the bot != dpkg the program |
| 23:19.33 | dpkg | wols: i don't know |
| 23:19.57 | nsadmin | oh, dpkg the program? |
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| 23:20.17 | yeoman | yeah the program |
| 23:20.29 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:20.43 | wols | yes, dpkg the program told yeoman to rebuild the kernel, or so he says. happened when he tried to upgrade. dpkg the bot is almost omnipotent but it can't install packages on people's computers just yet |
| 23:20.44 | nsadmin | my mistake... can you pastebin what you're talking about? |
| 23:21.06 | themill | I've never seen dpkg tell anyone to do something like that... |
| 23:21.14 | yeoman | The error message was Unknown error, message=exec /bin/bash: pipefail -c 'dpkg-query --show --showformat=" \$provides}\{$package}\n" | sed -n -e ... |
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| 23:22.00 | nsadmin | that doesn't show it saying to rebuild tho... could you show that? |
| 23:22.17 | nsadmin | pastebin, if it's more than say 1 or 2 lines |
| 23:22.54 | wols | themill: sometimes I think whoever wrote udev should be shot :) |
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| 23:23.10 | wols | and the debconf for the udev upgrade needs a rewrite |
| 23:23.12 | yeoman | i'll have to look at my notes. thanks anyway |
| 23:23.29 | yeoman | i'm new at all this |
| 23:23.40 | nsadmin | maybe it meant you need to install a later kernel? |
| 23:24.37 | themill | wols: if debian stopped supporting custom-compiled kernels or at least kernels that weren't in .deb form (e.g. from kernel-package) all this would be much easier as you could then just have versioned dependencies rather than run-time tests. Until that time, however.... |
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| 23:26.19 | wols | themill: the runtime test is fine. the message one gets is obviously too confusing for most people. first, they don't even see it, 2nd they never understand it as shown by lots of people coming here with this problem |
| 23:26.33 | yeoman | yeah my kernal is 2.6.12-3-multimedia-386 on a reused hard drive. |
| 23:26.44 | themill | wols: lots of people can't read ;) |
| 23:26.56 | wols | themill: and that's why $deity invented ubuntu :P |
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| 23:27.32 | nsadmin | $canonicallycorrectdeith |
| 23:27.36 | nsadmin | y |
| 23:27.37 | wols | but that doesn't solve our problem. btw: they can read but they don't want to. and if they do, text comprehension is nonexistent. but they can read. |
| 23:27.54 | praseodym | I'm seeing errors in auth.log like "sshd[xx]: error: connect_to [outside ip port 22003: failed." |
| 23:28.04 | praseodym | what could these be caused by? |
| 23:28.20 | wols | the "xx" is a PID? |
| 23:28.26 | praseodym | yup |
| 23:28.40 | praseodym | and [outside ip] is an ip |
| 23:29.05 | wols | maybe some portforwarding stuff? |
| 23:29.22 | praseodym | well, I'm seeing a LOT of these messages in my log for today, for seemingly random addresses and ports |
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| 23:29.53 | nsadmin | are you trying to get ssh to listen on an IP other than the one on the box it's running on? |
| 23:30.27 | praseodym | no, it's ssh on a production server, and I don't know of any users doing weird things |
| 23:31.05 | nsadmin | so it's not anything you're originating |
| 23:31.16 | praseodym | not that I know of |
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| 23:31.19 | nono | 72.21.211.163 |
| 23:31.38 | praseodym | it could be that one of the accounts is compromised though; but since there's no username in the logs I wouldn't know which one |
| 23:32.19 | nsadmin | hmm. are you running fail2ban or something like that? |
| 23:32.39 | praseodym | nsadmin: I am |
| 23:32.43 | nsadmin | are you the only shell user on the box? |
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| 23:33.05 | nsadmin | that would at least make it harder to compromise |
| 23:33.09 | praseodym | no, there are many |
| 23:33.26 | keith4_ | can someone help me unravel the complex relationship of the bluez, bluez-utils, bluez-audio, and bluez-alsa packages? |
| 23:33.41 | jhutchins | praseodym: Is your sshd listening on 22003? |
| 23:33.44 | praseodym | only three ip addresses were banned by fail2ban today; nothing weird there |
| 23:33.53 | praseodym | jhutchins: no |
| 23:34.25 | nsadmin | the IP in the message is one of yours? |
| 23:34.28 | praseodym | jhutchins, nsadmin: part of the log is http://pastebin.com/9enx9G2S |
| 23:34.31 | praseodym | nsadmin: no |
| 23:35.09 | nsadmin | perhaps it's one of your users trying to connect and the server is failing to connect back? |
| 23:35.25 | praseodym | not with that many source IPs |
| 23:35.51 | nsadmin | so someone may be swarming you with requests |
| 23:35.54 | praseodym | it seems like it's an error caused by port forwarding to a nonexistant host/port, but I think it'd have to be an authenticated user to do that |
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| 23:37.12 | nsadmin | most servers work by listening at the known port (22 for ssh) and when it gets a request to connect, it builds a separate connection on another port |
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| 23:37.56 | nsadmin | and probably spawns another process to tend it |
| 23:38.20 | nvz | they are called client ports IIRC |
| 23:38.32 | praseodym | yup; but can that cause these kinds of errors? |
| 23:39.05 | wols | nsadmin: no. all my httpd connection go to 80 on the server, no other port |
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| 23:39.22 | wols | and stay on port80 |
| 23:39.51 | karlpinc | wols: Right. It's the other end that uses different ports for different processes. |
| 23:40.04 | buntfalke | how to make -dev packages get installed automatically alongside their corresponding non-dev package? i am tired of installing tons of -dev stuff whenever i have to compile something |
| 23:40.23 | nsadmin | apt-get build-dep pkgname |
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| 23:41.53 | buntfalke | i see...hmm. |
| 23:41.56 | buntfalke | thanks nsadmin |
| 23:42.22 | wols | buntfalke: but remember: this is not gentoo or LFS :) |
| 23:42.29 | nsadmin | does aptitude have that? |
| 23:42.38 | buntfalke | nsadmin: not in the manpage at least :-) |
| 23:42.59 | buntfalke | wols: well - i that's what i wanted, actually. a "gentoo mode" for debian, where it just installs all the headers automatically, too |
| 23:43.14 | deathZor | guys is there a way to add multipull gateways to a debian box, choose based on source ip ? ( its 1 nic but it needs more then 1 gateway based on ip ) |
| 23:43.24 | buntfalke | wols: i guess i'll get that by just using a wrapper instead, which does aptitude install && apt-get build-dep every time |
| 23:43.52 | DogBoy | how resourceful buntfalke |
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| 23:43.54 | buntfalke | thought there'd be a neat little config switch to do that hidden somewhere :-) |
| 23:44.01 | wols | buntfalke: won't really work. aptitude install foo can drag in LOTS of library packages, each with their own -dev |
| 23:44.16 | wols | oh, true via build-dep it can |
| 23:44.59 | buntfalke | wols: well - wouldnt aptitude install foo && a-g build-dep foo install all the -dev for all those libs etc, too? maybe a couple might be left out, but who cares... |
| 23:45.08 | skkk | Hello, I've a dedicated server over the net with debian 5.0 64bits which I can connect by ssh without any problem. I've installed xserver-xorg and followed some out of date tutorials to be able to connect to that server X using this computer that's already running debian. Anyone knows an up to date or "for newbies" tutorial about doing this? I got lost reading lots of articles all telling different ways that I was not able to follow. |
| 23:45.22 | buntfalke | DogBoy: I wont mind, this box is a build-slave, it's meant to be cluttered with headers :-) |
| 23:46.11 | nsadmin | skkk: take a look at "man X" first off. |
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| 23:46.58 | nsadmin | skkk: an x -server- is the thing that puts an image on a monitor thru some hardware video card, and listens to input from mouse and keyboard |
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| 23:47.22 | DogBoy | buntfalke, you don't see that much, usually some user is complaining about a "feature" they think is needed, you jumped right into the solution |
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| 23:47.26 | nsadmin | an x -client- is a program that wants to display something and take input |
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| 23:48.19 | skkk | so i need an x client at dedicated server and an x server in my computer, right? (thanks, i did'nt get it) |
| 23:48.36 | nsadmin | yes, and the libs for clients |
| 23:49.24 | pierre_le | skkk, yes. the xserver is the display |
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| 23:50.27 | buntfalke | DogBoy: ( "you don't see that much" == few ppl need that && "you jumped right into the solution" == just write a simple shell script to wrap it up ) ? |
| 23:50.27 | nsadmin | an x client might be: xeyes, emacs, iceweasel, any window manager. |
| 23:50.32 | skkk | so, what should I install at dedicated server as a x client? |
| 23:50.39 | skkk | thanks |
| 23:50.44 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? |
| 23:50.55 | nono | you talking to me? |
| 23:50.57 | nsadmin | btw, it's going to be slow |
| 23:51.04 | nsadmin | nono: nono! |
| 23:51.31 | DogBoy | buntfalke, ya |
| 23:51.41 | nono | please keep cool utf8 forever |
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| 23:52.00 | skkk | nsadmin, dedicated has a 100mbps connection downstream and upstream, mine its 10mbps/300kbps, that would really be slow? |
| 23:52.01 | nono | rtfm only$ |
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| 23:52.41 | nsadmin | it could be, compared to situations where the x server and whatever x clients are on the same machine |
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| 23:52.50 | buntfalke | DogBoy: Might well be, still thoght such a function might have grown somewhere, under the desk of some dev, and is now sleeping in config files around the world :-) |
| 23:52.55 | nsadmin | slower when internet is slower for whatever reason |
| 23:53.06 | buntfalke | anyway, problem solved, back to work |
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| 23:56.07 | Amarande | gah. is it necessary to install nvidia-kernel via the ugly nvidia way on a GTS 250 on lenny or even squeeze? |
| 23:56.32 | Amarande | from what I've read, the newest drivers (needed for GTS 250) are only in sid, and I've seen many times here that you *should* *not* *pull* *stuff* *from* *sid* |
| 23:56.47 | buntfalke | Amarande: iirc debian had packages to wrap that up, so you dont need to run their .run files which contain random scripts |
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| 23:57.06 | Amarande | buntfalke, which outside of sid only have 173.xx drivers that don't support GTS250 |
| 23:57.12 | wols | Amarande: not totally true. you can do a ssb |
| 23:57.13 | themill | Amarande: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 23:57.22 | buntfalke | Amarande: well - pin it from sid, but dont whine if it crashes your box - that's the deal. |
| 23:57.29 | Amarande | is there any easy way to install the nvidia kernel the debian way for versions that the package isn't already built for? |
| 23:57.34 | wols | you can get the nvidia driver "sources" and build packages from that |
| 23:57.44 | Amarande | or is the procedure rather annoying and non-trivial (unlike ati, whose drivers are fail, but apparently builds debian packages easy :P) |
| 23:57.51 | wols | buntfalke: never ever pin. don't tell people to do that |
| 23:58.06 | buntfalke | oO oh please! |
| 23:58.14 | Amarande | or is the Debian idea that if you want newer hardware, you should be running Fedora, Windows, or that distro that starts with a U :| |
| 23:58.35 | buntfalke | now what's the problem with pinning? it's unclean, we all know that, yeah - but who cares for random throw-away desktop machines? |
| 23:58.39 | wols | Amarande: you got 2 ways to get your newer hardware working under debian, so stop whining |
| 23:59.02 | wols | buntfalke: people who install debian once on a machine and never again cause it's not needed |
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| 23:59.34 | nvz | I go my own way when it comes to hardware support. I roll my own kernels and pull in whatever I find to work best from wherever it comes from. But thats just me. |
