| 00:00.03 | Amarande | nvz: well, yeah, I could do that :) |
| 00:00.09 | nvz | doing it that way takes away your right to bitch at someone when you have issues |
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| 00:00.21 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure though on how annoying it is to clean up old files when it becomes necessary to upgrade the nvidia drivers though :| |
| 00:00.29 | buntfalke | wols: I dont see why, for instance, I shouldnt have pinned wine-unstable from sid into squeeze. Care to enlighten me what's bad about this? It's better than using -t imho. |
| 00:01.11 | nvz | Amarande: when I use the nvidia drivers from their website, just running the binary again cleans up after itself quite well. Though as of right now, this machine has Lenny and a GeForce 5200FX and the debian packages are working fine |
| 00:01.18 | buntfalke | it's like tainting your kernel. sometimes you just want that, because you need the wine version, or because you need the nvidia driver. |
| 00:01.27 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder if debian needs to relax its freeze policy when it comes to kernels and hardware drivers. |
| 00:01.29 | buntfalke | s/want/need/ |
| 00:01.43 | Amarande | it basically forces plenty of people to use testing/sid stuff when they probably shouldn't. |
| 00:01.56 | wols | buntfalke: the proper way to "mix" are backports. with testing/unstable this is not a big deal and a blurry line, but for stable users it's very important. mxing stable and something else invariably ends with lots and lots of pain |
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| 00:02.23 | Amarande | or is there that small a % of linux users in general who use highish end hardware? |
| 00:02.35 | i5513 | hi, how can I get all "/msg dpkg" messages which are now configured ? (or it is working like a special grep ?) |
| 00:03.04 | nvz | Amarande: the issue there is, if you upgrade a kernel or Xorg or something, you gotta run that binary again. Nvidia's stuff is dead simple and has worked everytime for me when I need to use it.. so if you know how to drop into console and run a damn script again.. I don't see any harm in it |
| 00:03.07 | buntfalke | wols: well, i didnt tell him to pin sid into stable, did I? the way to mix testing is pinning, since there are no backports for it. |
| 00:03.32 | buntfalke | wols: same goes for prefering non-standard repos, where pinning is perfectly fine, too. |
| 00:03.38 | nvz | Amarande: aside from the fact you can't go filing bugs against things related to a driver you got from nvidia on the debian bts, or demanding support for it here |
| 00:03.49 | themill | i5513: there are 35000 factoids. You probably don't want all of them. /msg dpkg search dpkg |
| 00:04.05 | wols | if there are no backports, you make them. in the case of nvidia drivers this is excessively easy |
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| 00:04.49 | buntfalke | wols: tbh, i dont see the point for testing/sid. and especially not for exp/sid |
| 00:04.55 | Amarande | "There were 10,720 counts towards this path while the second most popular way was through the vendor's web-site (in the case of the binary-only drivers where the latest upstream packages are offered from AMD and NVIDIA) at 3,300." -- Phoronix |
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| 00:05.04 | Amarande | I wonder how many of those 3,300 were lenny users with nvidia 2xx series cards. |
| 00:05.07 | buntfalke | it's cleaner, yes. but it's just not worth the time, with all the version changes for wine for instance |
| 00:05.18 | buntfalke | i'd have to become a packager to get that done every time |
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| 00:05.37 | wols | do you need a new wine that often? |
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| 00:06.13 | buntfalke | I need to track the -unstable, and the rest is a testing, so i pin it, et voila, done, life goes on. |
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| 00:07.17 | wols | unstable packages go into testing automatically unless its frozen |
| 00:07.36 | buntfalke | untrue. wine-unstable is just the counter-example for that. |
| 00:07.48 | buntfalke | it's a sid-only package, because it isnt a release. |
| 00:07.52 | i5513 | themill: Thank you, it is fun :) |
| 00:08.28 | TomyLobo | i use knetworkmanager to connect to my wifi. can i somehow configure the network-manager service to automatically connect to a few wifi networks when starting up? |
| 00:09.03 | Amarande | nvz: more importantly, since you use the drivers from the website |
| 00:09.22 | Amarande | do you regularly run into issues with debian complaining about unmet dependencies because of the nvidia drivers providing stuff without dpkg knowing about it? |
| 00:10.16 | nvz | Amarande: I had up until recently.. as of lenny most stuff with nvidia seems to have stablized in my experience |
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| 00:10.46 | nvz | Amarande: I used to frequently get bitched at for telling people to just use the drivers from nvidia.com in here.. cause the debian packages just never worked |
| 00:11.08 | nvz | Amarande: in the last couple years I've been using the debian drivers and having no problems at all |
| 00:11.08 | Amarande | lemme guess, you weren't willing to settle for an old-gen card and thus the packaged ones were too new :) |
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| 00:11.44 | Amarande | anyway, what I'm mostly wondering is whether not installing it the Debian Way is going to cause 3D stuff to not be installable via Debian -either- because Debian will claim I don't have a 3D driver |
| 00:11.56 | Amarande | is a ton of --force in my future going the nvidia way? |
| 00:12.14 | nvz | Amarande: I generally end up with machines with 5200FX in them which is the oldest card I will use for most 3d type stuff I do.. but I've setup machines lately with 6xxx and higer cards.. not tried any of the newer 2xx(GT) type cards yet |
| 00:12.49 | Amarande | I was going to get a 9800 GT (WHICH, I should note, I wouldn't have HAD this problem if I had chosen ... :P) then some folks mentioned the 9800GTX+ and 250 GTS (which are really the same) and it turned out that was only $15 more |
| 00:12.57 | Amarande | So I go for it, and ... blah. |
| 00:13.24 | nvz | Amarande: from my experience with the nvidia driver, you just run the damn binary, it does EVERYTHING for you. all you need is to have kernel headers and tell it where to find them. It will build, and load the kernel driver, it will setup xorg and the config file.. it does everything.. you run it again and it will clean up after itself or rebuild the driver with whatever newer kernel you are using |
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| 00:14.13 | nvz | Amarande: just keep in mind your package system is unaware of that if you do it, and you will have to run that again on your own if you are still using a debian kernel and it gets upgraded |
| 00:14.25 | Amarande | nvz: yeah, that I'm aware of |
| 00:14.44 | Amarande | I was more wondering if there are debian packages that have the nvidia-kernel (or something provided by the nvidia-kernel ... does it have GL libs like ATI?) as a dep |
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| 00:16.00 | wols | or of X or mesa get updated |
| 00:16.04 | wols | *if X |
| 00:16.14 | adv_ | i have 3gb of ram and 64bit cpu. should i install amd64 or i686 |
| 00:16.15 | adv_ | ? |
| 00:16.16 | nvz | not sure what you mean, but generally the nvidia-kernel is the kernel driver and it has no deps other than nvidia-common, however I usually select in my package manager nvidia-glx which is the Xorg driver, and it pulls in the other two forementioned |
| 00:16.25 | wols | adv_: i386 |
| 00:16.27 | adv_ | are there any differences, apart from flash/ |
| 00:16.28 | adv_ | ? |
| 00:16.32 | nvz | adv_: depends on what applications you will run. |
| 00:16.33 | Amarande | adv: at this point, there's really no point to not installing amd64 |
| 00:16.38 | wols | adv_: there is flash for 64bit |
| 00:16.44 | Amarande | I've really only seen one or two things that don't support 64bit |
| 00:16.51 | Amarande | mostly zsnes off the top of my head |
| 00:16.55 | adv_ | nvz: what do you mean |
| 00:16.56 | wols | Amarande: what good will it do with 3GB RAM? |
| 00:16.58 | adv_ | everything |
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| 00:17.02 | adv_ | like whatever i need |
| 00:17.07 | adv_ | desktop apps |
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| 00:17.48 | nvz | adv_: I toy with SecondLife on my 64bit box.. and I installed AMD64 on it the other night and my framerates were 10x worse than they are on 32bit. The AMD website swears that 32bit emulation only causes a negligable 1-2% performance hit, but I have seen otherwise.. |
| 00:18.07 | nvz | adv_: if you are going to use things that there is no 64bit version available they will likely run like shit |
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| 00:18.26 | adv_ | nvz: ah thansk a lot |
| 00:18.42 | wols | nvz: considering almost all games are 32bit but run just fine on 64bit systems, I call BS. |
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| 00:19.22 | nvz | wols: well all I know is that with my shitty old Geforce 5200FX I was getting 2-3FPS on AMD64, I am now getting 16-22FPS on i386 |
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| 00:19.46 | jhutchins_lt | We do know that the 32b kernel can handle more than 4G now, right? |
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| 00:20.16 | wols | jhutchins_lt: if I'd go that route I'd use a amd64 kernel. PAE is evil |
| 00:20.42 | wols | but yes, there rarely is a need for amd64 |
| 00:21.15 | nvz | I would go with a 64bit kernel and a 32bit OS at most unless I know otherwise that I could benefit from a full 64bit OS |
| 00:21.48 | nvz | for what I've been doing LATELY.. 32bit debian performs FAR better on my AMD Athlon64 3000+ I got here right now |
| 00:22.13 | adv_ | how can you have 64bit kernel and 32bit userlanrd? |
| 00:22.29 | nvz | adv_: you just install a 64bit kernel.. |
| 00:22.33 | wols | easy. just install the 64bit kernel |
| 00:22.39 | adv_ | ah |
| 00:22.55 | adv_ | for the 4gb ram limit you just need the kernel to be 64? |
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| 00:23.14 | nvz | there are bigmem kernels too |
| 00:23.26 | adv_ | those are with pae? |
| 00:24.04 | nvz | I would assume so. |
| 00:24.38 | wols | bigmem is afaik the amount of memory usable by a single application. 3:1 split instead of 2:2 |
| 00:24.42 | wols | dunno if it's about PAE |
| 00:24.46 | nvz | adv_: they are named linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem for example and support 4-64GB IIRC |
| 00:24.54 | themill | !bigmem |
| 00:24.55 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 00:25.16 | jhutchins_lt | Many distro's smp kernels support >4. |
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| 00:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | i386 == i686? |
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| 00:26.52 | wols | jhutchins_lt: all kernels are smp kernels nowadays. well, maybe not the debian 486 one |
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| 00:27.43 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: packages in debian 32bit are i386, but there hasn't been support in debian for the i386 arch in ages.. i486 is the oldest we actually support as far as kernel/hardware is concerned |
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| 00:28.30 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. The Alt key doesn't work in my xterm. It works in gnome-terminal, though, and the failure in xterm is independent of whether I run zsh or bash. What gives? How do I debug and fix this? |
| 00:28.42 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, well, I just figured out that the Intel core2's are supposed to run the amd64 kernel, so... |
| 00:29.22 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: they could run either a i686 or an AMD64 arch the same as an actual AMD64 processor |
| 00:29.51 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 00:30.01 | Borichee | !horoscope leo |
| 00:30.06 | nvz | LOL |
| 00:30.18 | Borichee | ? |
| 00:30.26 | Borichee | why are you ligh? |
| 00:30.32 | nvz | I'm a leo, and the horoscope for today basically said we're gonna find ourselves sitting around the house today |
| 00:30.40 | jhutchins_lt | has two lenny servers chortling along on i686. |
| 00:30.54 | Borichee | outch |
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| 00:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | Both core2's. |
| 00:31.26 | nvz | I don't need a fortune teller to tell me I'm not going anywhere when the weather is like this.. |
| 00:31.49 | jhutchins_lt | Oops, no, three. |
| 00:31.59 | nvz | the horoscope however did mention to try find something creative to do so that I didn't fell like I had to stay home, but chose to |
| 00:32.04 | jonaskoelker | could it be stty settings? |
| 00:32.09 | jhutchins_lt | But the third's a dual-core xenon, not a core2. |
| 00:32.24 | jhutchins_lt | xeon or whatever. |
| 00:33.08 | nvz | xeons you can actually get in multi-processor configurations |
| 00:33.24 | nvz | I've found that anymore finding motherboards with multiple CPU sockets is hard to do |
| 00:33.29 | Vorbote | notices that all x86_64 cpus can do 32 and 65 bits, unlike the Itanics. |
| 00:33.47 | Vorbote | s/65/64/, mrh |
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| 00:33.49 | Amarande | and what's this rumor I hear about 128 bit CPUs being just on the horizon? |
| 00:34.18 | jhutchins_lt | Amarande: I'd be skeptical about them coming to PC's soon. |
| 00:34.22 | nvz | 64bit is already over 16billion GB of address space |
| 00:34.35 | adb | The Commodore 128 |
| 00:34.43 | Amarande | jhutchins, apparently rumor is that Redmond is planning to support 128bit in Windows 8 |
| 00:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | There's a lot of other components that need to advance before we go there. |
| 00:34.50 | Vorbote | Amarande: Already down the pipe, at least as far as The Reg goes (but that's yellow press). |
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| 00:35.11 | visof | hi |
| 00:35.14 | jhutchins_lt | afik there are already 128b CPU's, but they're big iron. |
| 00:35.16 | nvz | and we still have a lot of issues fully supporting 64bit architectures because a lot of software still seems to perform better running in a native 32bit environment |
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| 00:35.28 | jhutchins_lt | Sometimes simpler is better. |
| 00:35.51 | visof | i'm using DHCP and i want to change my ip to static , how can i do that from command line ? |
| 00:36.03 | wols | jhutchins_lt: care to mention a CPU that is? |
| 00:36.10 | nvz | visof: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:36.17 | jonaskoelker | visof: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:36.29 | jonaskoelker | visof: or vi, or ed, or $EDITOR :) |
| 00:36.57 | nvz | jonaskoelker: notice I pointed him to the manual page that would explain the syntax and tell him which file to edit :-P |
| 00:37.17 | jonaskoelker | visof: do you want to switch back and forth between using dhcp and static address assignment several times, or just once? |
| 00:37.30 | jonaskoelker | nvz: notice I suggested using ed, the standard editor :-P |
| 00:37.38 | nvz | jonaskoelker: lol |
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| 00:38.05 | visof | jonaskoelker switch back and forth |
| 00:38.14 | nvz | Being on facebook, secondlife, etc.. got me saying lol again |
| 00:38.15 | visof | is there a good way to do that ? |
| 00:38.31 | jonaskoelker | visof: I haven't looked into that. Why do you want to switch back and forth? |
| 00:38.40 | DogBoy | visof, I wasn't able to get static ip working with that network-manage thing working |
| 00:38.51 | DogBoy | network-manager installed I mean |
| 00:38.54 | nvz | visof: you can quickly static configure using ifconfig or ip commands without editing your configs |
| 00:39.11 | nvz | I hate network-manager.. |
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| 00:39.17 | nvz | I mean I HATE it.. |
| 00:39.17 | jonaskoelker | DogBoy, visof: I'm not surprised. You can't get *anything* working with network manager, except if it's among the most common 95 percent of cases :) |
| 00:39.39 | jonaskoelker | nvz: but you need to kill the running dhcp client as well |
| 00:39.50 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Not finding anything except a bunch of discussion on what actually constitutes a 128 bit processor and why on earth do we need one, AMD is supposedly working on one, the W8 rumor. |
| 00:40.00 | nvz | I only have it on here because this is a desktop that always uses DHCP, on my netbook however, I've replaced it with wicd from backports. |
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| 00:40.07 | DogBoy | I have static ip working here but not with network-manager installed |
| 00:40.17 | jhutchins_lt | I thought some of the big IBM stuff used pretty wide processors but I could very well be wrong, I haven't done big iron in many years. |
| 00:40.18 | jonaskoelker | visof: maybe you can use virtual interfaces, i.e. eth0:home with static and eth0:work with dhcp |
| 00:40.18 | wols | jhutchins_lt: bullshit.cause there simply is no reason for one. especially not for AMD |
| 00:40.30 | jonaskoelker | visof: look for something like that in man 5 interfaces |
| 00:40.38 | wols | the FPU/SIMD units are 128 bit obviously but no ALUs, not the addressbus |
| 00:40.40 | jonaskoelker | visof: ... or maybe that was in man ifup or something |
| 00:40.44 | nvz | wicd is great, it supports both wired and wireless interfaces, and runs as a daemon and can be used like a drop-in replacement for network manager.. |
| 00:41.04 | nvz | its just not in stable, you have to get it from backports for Lenny |
| 00:41.16 | jonaskoelker | nvz: any experience with wpa_supplicant? |
| 00:41.30 | nvz | jonaskoelker: not other than using a frontend like wicd |
| 00:41.36 | jonaskoelker | ah |
| 00:41.49 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Bulldozer. |
| 00:41.59 | nvz | jonaskoelker: I've not really ever used a secured wireless network.. heh |
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| 00:42.02 | jonaskoelker | anyways, anyone care to help me fix my alt key in my xterm? |
| 00:42.05 | jonaskoelker | nvz: ^_^ |
| 00:42.21 | jonaskoelker | it's really bugging me :( |
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| 00:42.34 | nvz | jonaskoelker: I have friends that have been playing with aircrack and stuff cause they can't find a decent open connection |
| 00:42.42 | wheee | is there anything special I should have done with the ISO image of debian when burning it? |
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| 00:42.57 | jonaskoelker | wheee: no... ? |
| 00:43.02 | jonaskoelker | wheee: why do you ask? |
| 00:43.07 | nvz | We live in a digital school district, all the highschool kids get laptops from the school.. so everyone has wireless and you can pretty much walk up and down the street and be online anywhere |
| 00:43.09 | wheee | because when I try to boot from it it remains stuck at "Boot from CD/DVD :" |
| 00:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | wols: 128 bit FMAC |
| 00:43.25 | jonaskoelker | wheee: is there a .iso file on the cd? |
| 00:43.26 | wols | jhutchins_lt: yes. the FPU with AVX (intel will do the same). but that doesn't make it a 128cpu |
| 00:43.34 | wheee | as if it didn't find a boot loader or something like that |
| 00:43.44 | wheee | nah I burned the image not the iso file |
| 00:43.45 | wols | if it were, the 486 is a 80bit cpu (as are all x86 cpus since) |
| 00:43.49 | jonaskoelker | wheee: good :) |
| 00:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | wols: I expect it will be a decade before anybody agrees on what actually makes it a 128 bit cpu. |
| 00:44.05 | jonaskoelker | wheee: can your 'puter boot offa CDs? :) |
| 00:44.11 | wheee | yeah |
| 00:44.12 | wols | wheee: did you burn it as image? what files are on the CD? |
| 00:44.37 | nvz | I for one would like to see more 802.11s, I think it would be much better as getting too much 802.11b/g/n in one area starts to hurt the quality anyhow.. if everyone just f'n shared their signal on a cloud, we'd all have internet all the time. |
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| 00:44.41 | wols | jhutchins_lt: no. that's been settled a long time ago |
| 00:44.54 | wheee | hnm.. I'm a linux noob but I guess there should be a file called boot.something at the root of the DVD right? |
| 00:45.00 | wols | nvz: liability nightmware |
| 00:45.23 | wols | wheee: no. what files are on the CD? what directories? |
| 00:45.31 | nvz | wols: heh ;) Hey, the XO's do it for developing countries |
| 00:46.08 | wheee | .disk, boot, css, dists, doc, install, pics, pool, debian, html and txt files |
| 00:46.09 | themill | wheee: exactly what image did you download? |
| 00:46.37 | adb | wols, cell procs has SPU on 128 SIMD |
| 00:46.42 | wheee | the image for ia64 stable |
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| 00:46.48 | nvz | I put an XO in the hands of a kid recently.. she was happy as hell.. little did she know I wanted to beat her up and take it back.. haha |
| 00:46.58 | nvz | I think those things are pretty cool |
| 00:47.05 | Amarande | wheee: you most likely didn't download the right one |
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| 00:47.17 | azeem | they have a "View Source" key, what do you expect |
| 00:47.18 | Amarande | if you have an intel 64-bit CPU, you probably have a Core of some sort, you need amd64 for that. |
| 00:47.25 | wheee | aaaah |
| 00:47.26 | Amarande | ia64 is only for Itanium, and you would know if you had one. |
| 00:47.40 | wheee | I thought it was for 64 bit intel |
| 00:47.49 | wheee | right then |
| 00:47.50 | wheee | thanks |
| 00:47.52 | wheee | ^^ |
| 00:47.53 | Amarande | well |
| 00:47.59 | wols | adb: SIMD != CPU |
| 00:48.01 | azeem | Linux lx64i68 2.6.16.60-0.42.5-default #1 SMP Mon Aug 24 09:41:41 UTC 2009 ia64 ia64 ia64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:48.02 | Amarande | intel started with itanium while amd built x86_64 |
| 00:48.04 | azeem | Linux lx64i68 2.6.16.60-0.42.5-default #1 SMP Mon Aug 24 09:41:41 UTC 2009 ia64 ia64 ia64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:48.07 | azeem | oops |
| 00:48.16 | Amarande | then intel realized itanium sucked (and I think there may have been patent issues involved) |
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| 00:48.24 | Amarande | and eventually came up with the cores that also are x86_64 |
| 00:48.33 | wheee | aaah yeah I remember now when I downloaded ubuntu about a year ago |
| 00:48.34 | Amarande | amd did it first, though, so it's called amd64 in debian |
| 00:48.40 | wheee | I had to take the amd64 one |
| 00:48.59 | adb | wols .. SPU |
| 00:49.14 | wheee | [19:51] <Amarande> then intel realized itanium sucked <= lol |
| 00:50.03 | wheee | good so I'll go and download the right one |
| 00:50.05 | wheee | thanks |
| 00:50.07 | wheee | ^^ |
| 00:50.18 | adb | netinstall |
| 00:50.38 | wheee | I'd rather have the DVD for some reason |
| 00:50.45 | adb | netinst |
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| 00:51.05 | adb | !netinst |
| 00:51.05 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:51.24 | wheee | it takes like 40 mins to download the stuff with the netinstall so if i screw up I won't have to wait |
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| 00:52.07 | wheee | for the thing to download again |
| 00:52.13 | wheee | anyway |
| 00:52.16 | nvz | I just did a PXE install for the first time yesterday.. it was awesome. Only requires downloading like 2mb or so to get the machine booted |
| 00:52.17 | wheee | see ya and thanks! |
| 00:52.49 | puppylinux | damn me noob |
| 00:53.32 | nvz | Its by no means as easy as people make it sound though... setting up a PXE environment is a lot of f'n work when you're not familiar with the process |
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| 00:54.20 | nvz | makes me wonder why someone hasn't just made a f'n package you install that depends on a dhcp server, tftp server, and pulls in the installer kernel for the distro your running and sets it all up for ya |
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| 00:55.23 | themill | nvz: you will, of course, be providing updated documentation and make that package, won't you? |
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| 00:56.02 | nvz | themill: I still haven't read all the way through the new maintainers guide yet.. but yeah.. its on my things to do list.. become a DD |
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| 00:56.40 | themill | that's not needed for you to do those things |
| 00:56.57 | nvz | well you gotta at least understand the damn packaging process |
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| 00:57.19 | nvz | and I figure if I'm gonna learn that I might as well go through the whole maintainer process while I'm at it |
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| 00:57.59 | ronssoa | Running 'testing' with kernel 2.6.32. First, i could not get into kde4. It loops at kdm login. Then, following an online tip, i replace the content of /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsession with 'startkde' and i have kde. where is the actual fault? |
| 00:59.33 | nvz | ronssoa: for the record, when you do a rude hack to fix a problem before asking about it, you've already gone beyond the point of finding the actual problem. heh. |
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| 00:59.47 | nvz | the log during the time of the occurance would have told you what the problem was |
| 01:00.31 | ronssoa | nvz: no, the logs have not help. not in kdm.log, session-errors, etc. |
| 01:00.52 | nvz | also, you don't have to modify global configs to solve these kinds of problems.. you can modify your own config ~/.xsession and use "default session" from the sessions menu |
| 01:02.13 | ronssoa | nvz: first, you comment about rude hack, then u recommend that i do more hack. what i need is the answer to my question, if you don't have it, just STFU! |
| 01:02.37 | ronssoa | U STUPID S.O.B. |
| 01:02.52 | nvz | editing your configs is not a hack, editing a maintainers configs is. |
| 01:03.16 | ronssoa | i say i want the actual anwser! |
| 01:03.18 | wols | ronssoa: great way to ask for help. good luck, you need it |
| 01:03.31 | wols | ronssoa: and we want you to be polite. guess neither of us gets what he wants |
| 01:03.33 | nsadmin | ronssoa howbout doing your own work |
| 01:03.43 | themill | dpkg: tell ronssoa about volunteers |
| 01:03.44 | nvz | yes, the answer is in your logs, and you're uncooperative |
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| 01:05.32 | ronssoa | themill: what volunteers, just a rude kid. i have been here answering questions to and i don't do it the way nvz does. |
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| 01:06.18 | nsadmin | there really needs to be a paid-support wing of this channel |
| 01:06.29 | nvz | nsadmin: got my vote.. |
| 01:06.48 | themill | rattles the money jar on top of the fridge |
| 01:07.05 | ronssoa | nsaadmin: get real. if u want to be paid, you will be held liable for any wrong answers. |
| 01:07.07 | wols | ronssoa: the only rude one are you. seen any other insults here? |
| 01:07.35 | ronssoa | wols: look at nvz's first reply to my q. |
| 01:07.38 | wols | yes, just like the gazillion of consultants who are held liable for the mess the make |
| 01:07.51 | wols | ronssoa: I did |
| 01:07.58 | nvz | I was just trying to break your bad habit of trying to fix things before you ask for help. iot makes it far more complicated |
| 01:08.13 | nvz | I've been here since like 1999.. I know what causes most problems.. users. |
| 01:08.16 | wols | nvz: that is not a bad habit |
| 01:08.31 | themill | suspects this conversation is going nowhere |
| 01:08.52 | yeoman | respects whatever |
| 01:09.16 | ronssoa | there u are, how do you expect to get paid, one says bad habit, one says it is not. come on, this is science, not arts. |
| 01:09.19 | nvz | I am going somewhere.. for a walk and a smoke.. |
| 01:09.21 | wols | !u |
| 01:09.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:10.06 | ronssoa | damn it, its i, u and v. that's from C programming. :D |
| 01:10.33 | nsadmin | ronssoa: are you trying to say there's one and only one way of doing everything? |
| 01:10.36 | wols | either I go to bed or I need a new /ignore entry. decisions, decisions |
| 01:10.46 | nvz | ronssoa: all I am saying is that the fact that you had something not working and now because of you changing a part of its configuration that shiped with it, it works. There is no way to track down why it wasn't working. You fixed it.. so what do you want us to do? |
| 01:10.46 | nsadmin | both :P |
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| 01:11.45 | yeoman | loves a happy medium |
| 01:12.06 | phorce1 | do happy mediums only talk to happy ghosts? |
| 01:12.24 | nsadmin | mediums are happy when they get paid |
| 01:12.29 | wols | why would a ghost be happy? |
| 01:12.45 | ronssoa | there is even Holy Ghost! |
| 01:12.48 | nvz | you said you were using testing. You should know that it has bugs, should have checked the BTS, and filed a bug. Not be in here bitching at me because I can't figure out what WAS wrong with your system before you thought you were not only smarter than me, but smarter than the maintainer who wrote that config |
| 01:12.59 | nsadmin | and spaced ghost |
| 01:12.59 | ronssoa | can ghost be holy? |
| 01:13.22 | adb | nvz, i run a system where for installing, only needs is to write the right web path, in bootloader, to /netboot/vmlinux + initrd.gz and installation begin .. |
| 01:13.52 | wols | adb: open firmware? |
| 01:14.02 | adb | petitboot |
| 01:14.06 | nvz | adb: that seems like an incomplete thought. |
| 01:14.25 | adb | nah, is complete |
| 01:14.36 | wols | adb: with kernel and initrd alone it isn't .) |
| 01:14.39 | nvz | well then it was misdirected cause I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 01:15.01 | nsadmin | nvz: weren't you trying to get pxe working yesterday? |
| 01:15.04 | adb | wols, it is |
| 01:15.07 | wols | seeing it's for PS3, I can understand why this works this way, but there needs to be more than just that |
| 01:15.26 | nvz | nsadmin: yeah, I got it working.. hence why I'm talking to you from this box now.. heh |
| 01:15.28 | wols | specially prepared initrd? |
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| 01:15.37 | adb | it's for PS3, yes |
| 01:15.45 | nsadmin | nvz oh, cool :) |
| 01:15.51 | yeoman | well my dismay at my own wrecklace sarge>lenny debaucle isn't nearly as bad as other choices i've made with a certain, though muddled preview of the results... |
| 01:15.53 | nsadmin | what was the net problem? |
| 01:16.04 | nvz | nsadmin: you and don nailed it.. it was the interface not up properly thus not in the ARP cache |
| 01:16.10 | adb | no, stock powerpc64 kernel |
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| 01:16.28 | nvz | nsadmin: was my usage of ifconfig instead of using something more sane like ip |
| 01:16.32 | adb | and initrd |
| 01:16.45 | wols | adb: a kernel and initrd is not enough, period unless the initrd dos a lot of stuff. the debian installer is not in a initrd... |
| 01:16.51 | nsadmin | it coulda worked :) |
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| 01:17.04 | Amarande | dammit. followed the ssb instructions for nvidia-graphics-drivers and I apparently *don't* have nvidia-kernel-common among them |
| 01:17.11 | Amarande | which the install guide says I ought to have :| |
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| 01:17.33 | nsadmin | after years, ifconfig started adding route based on class, except when you put netmask |
| 01:17.36 | Amarande | begins to hear that voice in the head suggesting to install windows again. :| |
| 01:17.59 | nvz | nsadmin: I was surprised to find how easy to read a damn tcpdump can be on a network as simple as two boxes on a crossover just trying to do PXE.. having to packet sniff usually makes me cringe.. heh |
| 01:18.05 | Amarande | nsadmin: for maximum love from your fellow system staff, use netmask 85.170.85.170 :D |
| 01:18.41 | adb | wols, heh , after installing initrd , installer do normal things (from the net) |
| 01:18.56 | nvz | If I fired up wireshark right now with all these f'n windows boxes on my network, it'd be a mess |
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| 01:19.41 | nsadmin | well glad it worked out |
| 01:20.45 | nvz | I need to get myself a place to work where I can have stuff like that setup all the time. |
| 01:21.08 | nvz | I had to unplug the boot server right after the kernel loaded to plug it back into the network to finish the install |
| 01:21.31 | jonaskoelker | whenever I 'xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.dvorak; xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' after I start X, my keyboard gets fixed |
| 01:21.38 | jonaskoelker | now what the hell does that mean o_O |
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| 01:21.57 | wols | jonaskoelker: man xmodmap? |
| 01:22.22 | jonaskoelker | wols: nah, xmodmap isn't what I don't understand |
| 01:22.52 | jonaskoelker | wols: I _think_ the two commands should be a no-op (because that's already my setup), but obviously I'm wrong on that... |
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| 01:23.53 | wols | depends what is in ~/.Xmodmap |
| 01:24.07 | jonaskoelker | ascii porn |
| 01:24.07 | jonaskoelker | :P |
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| 01:25.33 | OldParr | when you boot debian with default selinux settings in enforcing mode, what does it secures? |
| 01:26.41 | nvz | I wasn't aware that selinux secured anything |
| 01:26.47 | nvz | ever |
| 01:26.50 | multi_io | looks like wget --load-cookies doesn't. |
| 01:27.40 | nvz | from what I've read its a means of enforcing policy based manditory access controls |
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| 01:28.09 | nvz | which would suggest to me, that if you're using it and dont know where to find the policy in use, then you're using it because you think it magically does something |
| 01:28.35 | nvz | and you need to do your homework |
| 01:28.48 | adb | !selinux |
| 01:28.48 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:30.57 | OldParr | nvz:the default policy to be used, the is installed by default , what does it does? |
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| 01:31.37 | nvz | OldParr: what did you install exactly? |
| 01:32.22 | nvz | because this machine here I just installed last night... using the automated install no less.. so its what I would call a default install |
| 01:32.28 | nvz | and has nothing related to SELinux on it |
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| 01:33.34 | OldParr | selinux-basics selinux-policy-default |
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| 01:33.53 | OldParr | nothing else |
| 01:34.01 | nvz | OldParr: then it sounds like you missed this one.. selinux-policy-doc - Documentation for the SELinux reference policy |
| 01:34.18 | nvz | which I'll bet answers your question ;) |
| 01:34.31 | OldParr | good |
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| 01:40.08 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.55 | adb | Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ |
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| 01:43.57 | nvz | OldParr: should be in /usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-doc |
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| 01:45.18 | nvz | OldParr: in fact, point your browser (web browser) to /usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-doc/html/index.html |
| 01:45.36 | OldParr | thanks |
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| 01:47.21 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:53.35 | pingouin | when a packages, on packages.debian.org, is market (devel), do i have to had something in my apt source list to have it ? |
| 01:54.55 | pingouin | because i dont have it when i aptitude search it |
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| 01:55.40 | adb | on same release ? |
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| 01:56.33 | pingouin | damn, it's only for 386 |
| 01:56.38 | pingouin | i'm on amd64 |
| 01:56.52 | pingouin | well done adb |
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| 01:57.13 | pingouin | guess i have to build it from sources |
| 01:57.50 | adb | no, use ia31-libs or so |
| 01:57.52 | jhutchins_lt | A devel package is usually only useful if you are building stuff against the core package. |
| 01:57.59 | adb | ia32* |
| 01:58.20 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, that's like an intel 8085. |
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| 02:00.47 | nvz | OldParr: you might also want to see whats in /usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-basic/ and /usr/share/doc/selinux-policy-default/ anything that has .gz on it you can read with zless, anything without it you can read with less, if there is an html/ dir in any applications /doc/ dir, then you can view those with a web browser |
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| 02:13.13 | nono | can you elp me to install circular application menu ? |
| 02:13.25 | nono | h |
| 02:14.30 | nvz | nono: what is "circular application menu" and what do you need help with specifically? |
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| 02:17.30 | dark | I'm having problems with Ctrl+Pageup / Ctrl+Pagedown, with or without screen (they are not working on vim, instead I get the result of a regular pageup/down there). This problem might be debian-specific. I'm using debian testing. Any help/pointers? |
| 02:18.01 | nvz | dark: what are you expecting Ctrl+Pageup to do? |
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| 02:18.51 | nono | nvz: it's a gnome menu |
| 02:18.54 | nvz | dark: it might also help to say what terminal type you are using. is this an xterm? |
| 02:19.03 | dark | nvz: cycle between tabs. I'm on a tty, no gnome here |
| 02:19.19 | dark | :tabn and :tabN is working |
| 02:19.28 | dark | tty i mean, hmm |
| 02:19.35 | dark | ctrl+alt+f1, not sure if they are called ttys |
| 02:19.41 | nvz | hmm. is this a standard PC/104 type keyboard? |
| 02:20.08 | nvz | dark: yes they are called tty or virtual terminals |
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| 02:20.19 | dark | no, brazilian abnt2. now you are saying that, btw, somehow my keyboard got misconfigured, my accents aren't working anymore..hmm |
| 02:21.30 | nvz | dark: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 02:21.34 | nvz | might be of help to you |
| 02:21.45 | dark | [ i've had some /lost+found things on fsck, maybe my keyboard conf is gone o.o (it happened when the media I am using - a usb pen drive - got almost full, i wonder if I have a pendrive of poor quality) ] |
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| 02:21.55 | dark | nvz: hmm thank you, I'll try |
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| 02:22.33 | nvz | nono: sounds disgusting (haha).. whats the problem? |
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| 02:23.54 | sevv | I'm looking at debian live for p xe booting, i'm switching from pxe booting damnsmalllinxux. I've grabbed a squashfs image from the web directory off of live.debian as welll as vmlinuz and an initrd.img... but it seem slike we're missing a pxelinux.cfg/default and an isolinux.cfg file. Where can I get these... or is the file structure completely different? |
| 02:23.56 | nono | nvz: no problem |
| 02:24.08 | nono | circular application menu |
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| 02:24.30 | nvz | then why the hell did you ask for help installing it? heh |
| 02:24.46 | nsgn | howdy. having difficulty getting apache in debian to serve the same site on two ports. the config file for the site seems different under debian's install of apache than apache's docs. help? |
| 02:24.46 | nono | hell? |
| 02:24.57 | nsgn | hell! |
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| 02:25.10 | sevv | hell! |
| 02:25.17 | nono | httpd.conf? |
| 02:25.19 | sevv | this is fun, let's scream more. |
| 02:25.31 | nsgn | nono, there isn't the expected section in it |
| 02:25.46 | simonrvn | apache2.conf |
| 02:25.53 | nono | *:80 |
| 02:26.08 | nsgn | nono, in my sites-active folder or whatever there is a config file for my one site |
| 02:26.11 | sevv | sysrqalt: charter? |
| 02:26.13 | nsgn | in there i see the *:80 part |
| 02:26.20 | sevv | sysrqalt: I heard they were purchased by midwest something or other |
| 02:26.33 | nsgn | someone suggested i do something like *:80 *:8080 but that causes apache to fail to launch |
| 02:27.54 | simonrvn | because it's not proper syntax |
| 02:28.52 | nvz | I hate it when people tell you to do things that aren't valid syntax :-P |
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| 02:29.20 | nsgn | nvz, sure didnt work for me :D |
| 02:30.19 | nvz | Like that time that user came in here wanting to have samba log on a per-share basis, and I looked up a method documented in the f'n samba-doc that said you could use the samba variable %S to do exactly that, and it in fact is not possible. Putting %S into the log string just makes it log to a file called %S.. heh |
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| 02:31.09 | dark | nvz: under cat -v, Ctrl+pageup and pageup shows the same escape sequence, ^[[5~. do you know if this means that vim will not be able to tell the difference? |
| 02:31.46 | nvz | I not only bitched upsream, but filed a bug against samba-doc and the maintainer just blew me off and still ships that ancient and inacurate "Using Samba" doc written by O'reilly |
| 02:32.11 | dark | ps: I think the proper syntax is Listen 80 in a line, Listen 8080 in another, but I haven't checked.. |
| 02:32.17 | nvz | dark: I would think the same as you are thinking, and know no better... heh |
| 02:32.50 | simonrvn | aptitude install apache2-doc # their docs don't suck |
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| 02:33.27 | dark | I was reading some docs, this isn't really a vim problem, but, I guess #vim people could know this. but thank you anyway nvz ^^ |
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| 02:44.23 | sevv | Has anyone pxe booted debian live? |
| 02:44.57 | nono | goodbye-microsoft? |
| 02:45.06 | sevv | that's... not pxe. |
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| 02:45.47 | peterS | probably requires you to sprinkle some sort of pxe dust |
| 02:45.56 | sevv | hi lar ious. |
| 02:46.20 | sevv | so I was reading though the netboot portion on the wiki |
| 02:46.44 | sevv | i downloaded debian-live-5030i386-lxde-destkop.squash |
| 02:46.48 | sevv | and initrd.img |
| 02:46.55 | sevv | and vmlinuz |
| 02:47.08 | sevv | but it didn't say anything about a pxeboot.cfg, which i remember pxeboot requires |
| 02:47.08 | nono | good luck! |
| 02:47.12 | sevv | so i made that directory |
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| 02:47.12 | nono | ;-) |
| 02:47.31 | sevv | and created a default file which references the vmlinuz and the initrd.img |
| 02:47.42 | sevv | but where does this squashfs, the entire filesystem, where does that get put :| |
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| 02:49.08 | peterS | I've tried to get pxe to work a long time ago, never did get it. I did get an open firmware machine to netboot debian-installer off my debian server. |
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| 02:52.01 | nono | tftpd-hpa? |
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| 02:53.01 | peterS | nono: I think I used tftpd-hpa, yeah. hard to remember for sure. I do remember trying multiple tftpds. |
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| 02:53.27 | [Gandhi] | hi all |
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| 02:53.43 | [Gandhi] | what's the name of tac-plus package in debian lenny ? |
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| 02:55.07 | nono | dhcp3-server? |
| 02:55.10 | Josh`` | I'm trying to test for an active route, and report failure (or trigger a command) if a specific route goes down. What's a relatively sane way to test for this specific route? http://pastebin.ca/1812795 |
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| 02:58.25 | nm9 | hi, how can I off volume of the serial external modem? |
| 02:58.43 | nm9 | 56K |
| 02:59.11 | Josh`` | nm9, seriously? 56K? |
| 02:59.17 | Josh`` | what's the model of your modem? |
| 02:59.53 | Tramp | Josh``: what do you want to test? That you have a default route? That it goes via 10.30.0.2? That it's over tun0? |
| 02:59.59 | nm9 | Josh``, yes, it's u.s. robotics 56k message modem |
| 03:01.02 | Josh`` | Tramp, I pretty much want to match that specific line |
| 03:01.54 | Tramp | then grep the output of netstat -nr for exactly that specific line (though I'd probabyl use the output of ip route get) |
| 03:02.04 | Josh`` | nm9, do you know how to contruct an AT message command? |
| 03:02.35 | nm9 | Josh``, no |
| 03:03.04 | Josh`` | nm9, you need to add the command L0 to your modem's AT init string |
| 03:03.19 | Josh`` | nm9, L0 and M0 |
| 03:04.35 | nvz | the only thing more surprising than hearing that someone still has a 56k modem, is that they also have a serial port to plug in an external one |
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| 03:05.22 | nvz | I thought all USR external modems had a volume knob on them |
| 03:06.21 | Josh`` | http://www.usr.com/support/5668/995668b-ug/main.htm |
| 03:06.59 | Josh`` | Tramp, HUH? |
| 03:07.17 | Josh`` | Tramp, you lost me there. I didnt' realize netstat could show routes? |
| 03:07.46 | Tramp | Josh``: what you pastebinned isn't netstat-output? |
| 03:08.04 | Tramp | well, or "route", which basically is the same |
| 03:08.16 | Josh`` | Tramp, no sir. It's 'route' |
| 03:08.26 | Tramp | yeah. That's the same |
| 03:09.01 | Josh`` | I'll have to read about showing routes with netsat |
| 03:09.14 | dondelelcaro | 1/win grow 7 |
| 03:09.16 | Josh`` | I was just gonna use a combination of 'route' and 'grep' to get the results I want |
| 03:09.18 | nm9 | Josh``, ok now how I command to AT init string ? |
| 03:09.28 | nvz | dondelelcaro: fail. |
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| 03:09.33 | Tramp | Josh``: it doesn't make a difference if you grep netstat or route |
| 03:09.35 | Josh`` | nm9, that depends on the software you are using to dial out. |
| 03:09.45 | [Gandhi] | what's the name of tac-plus package in debian lenny ? |
| 03:09.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: typing on super-laggy links is always exciting |
| 03:09.56 | Tramp | all I say is, that it's probably easier to parse "ip route get" output |
| 03:10.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: ssh? |
| 03:10.15 | nm9 | Josh``, it's pon from pppconfig |
| 03:10.38 | dondelelcaro | nvz: over edge on an adp1 |
| 03:11.17 | nvz | dondelelcaro: haha |
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| 03:14.02 | Josh`` | nm9, this is where you do some reading. The file you want to modify is /etc/ppp/chatscript. I've never used it personally, but there is a modem init command string in that file that you want to add "M0" to the commands |
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| 03:14.54 | Josh`` | nm9, can you pastebin the contents of /etc/ppp/chatscript ? |
| 03:15.52 | nm9 | Josh``, it's empty |
| 03:16.18 | Josh`` | nm9, hmm. |
| 03:16.33 | simonrvn | /etc/chatscripts |
| 03:16.33 | beardy | It was always exciting to be in here on a modem when there were some speed in here. Watching ones characters plop up with delay when typing. (Unlike right now with some packetloss seemingly causing a total delay for a few seconds, hmm..) |
| 03:16.46 | simonrvn | /usr/share/ppp/provider.chatscript |
| 03:17.05 | simonrvn | (first is a dir.) |
| 03:17.15 | nvz | you can do all this through the advanced section in pppconfig |
| 03:17.25 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:17.58 | nvz | I just now fired it up getting tired of watching these two struggle to understand one another |
| 03:18.26 | nvz | since I was using a CDMA/EVDO modem on the netbook before and have all this ppp crap installed already |
| 03:19.37 | nvz | I'm just not certain if it would be in the modeminit or pre-login chat line |
| 03:19.43 | nvz | that such a command would go in that case |
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| 03:21.16 | Josh`` | nvz, the M0 should go in the modem init string |
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| 03:21.41 | Josh`` | I havent used an analog modem in FOREVER, so I've forgotten all that mess |
| 03:22.06 | nvz | Josh``: then all he needs to do is fire up pppconfig, select his provider from the list of already configured, goto advanced, hit the "modem init" at the top, and add it to that line which probably just says ATZ or something right now |
| 03:23.17 | nvz | I'm sure something that would disable it for all providers would be more ideal.. but for sake of simplicity its easily done this way |
| 03:23.41 | nm9 | nvz, I found Modeminit ATZ on pppconfig |
| 03:23.50 | nvz | nm9: that would be the one |
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| 03:24.06 | nm9 | should I insert M0 ? |
| 03:24.31 | nvz | nm9: from what Josh`` is saying... I'm not really all that familiar with modem speak |
| 03:24.31 | nm9 | ATZ M0 |
| 03:24.40 | nvz | that would be the syntax, yes |
| 03:24.50 | nvz | you just seperate commands with a space as far as I know |
| 03:25.12 | nm9 | ok tnx all |
| 03:25.20 | nvz | though I've seen use of a colon before but more commonly see the space |
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| 03:26.17 | Josh`` | nvz, nm9 , I pulled that M0 option from the modems user manual, so it *should* be correct |
| 03:26.40 | nvz | ah, well fair enough then.. all he's gotta do is dial out and see.. |
| 03:27.26 | nvz | I've been using gnome-ppp (wvdial) lately myself |
| 03:27.39 | nvz | though pon/poff and pppconfig work well too |
| 03:28.08 | nvz | I use it for cellular modems though.. from time to time |
| 03:29.05 | nvz | the annoying part is I have two diff kernels on my machine.. and apparently the one I rolled to make my wifi (rfkill) work properly, I failed to select all the needed ppp options, so I have to use one kernel for wifi, and the other for ppp |
| 03:29.16 | nvz | the other of course being the debian kernel |
| 03:30.05 | nvz | I've still not tried out kexec call yet.. I'm skert to try it.. haha |
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| 03:31.58 | nvz | sounds like a good idea, but my luck, I'd try to kexec and the kernel would panic and my filesystem would be toast or something |
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| 03:49.13 | [Gandhi] | what's the name of tac-plus package in debian lenny ? |
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| 03:52.15 | disc0rd | [Gandhi]: looks like it might only be in etch... |
| 03:52.25 | disc0rd | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tac-plus |
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| 03:52.34 | disc0rd | package name is as you typed it |
| 03:53.05 | adb | judd> tac-plus -- etch: 1:4.0.4.alpha-14 |
| 03:54.14 | icebrain | it was removed to close this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474985 |
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| 03:55.05 | icebrain | "This version of tac-plus is the reference implementation released by |
| 03:55.06 | icebrain | Cisco and has been unmaintained upstream since 2000." |
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| 03:59.12 | JosephM | greetings people, I was wondering if anyone knows if the usb microphones will work in linux? |
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| 04:03.34 | disc0rd | JosephM: yeah, i use a usb headset no problems |
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| 04:06.24 | JosephM | disc0rd did you have to load any drivers? or what? |
| 04:06.59 | disc0rd | no, but on my desktop system i run linux mint 8. not debian |
| 04:08.31 | disc0rd | just checked dmesg for you, it uses snd-usb-audio module |
| 04:08.40 | disc0rd | nothing 3rd party |
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| 04:10.18 | JosephM | hmmmmm.... thanks disc0rd |
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| 04:50.46 | nm9 | where is ssh log? |
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| 04:55.29 | streuner__ | logs live usually in /var/log/ |
| 04:58.02 | nm9 | I want to know who ssh in my system |
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| 04:58.30 | omajgat | -> who |
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| 05:05.52 | nvz | nm9: that would be in your /var/log/auth.log |
| 05:06.31 | nvz | anyone who authenticates on the system by any method would be in there |
| 05:06.42 | nvz | generally speaking |
| 05:10.11 | nm9 | nvz, tnx |
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| 05:13.34 | iateadonut | anyone know a program where i can install one linux distro from another linux distro on the same harddrive but a different partition? |
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| 05:29.41 | DanDare | How apt popularity contest logs are sent ? Everytime i run apt ? |
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| 05:31.39 | nvz | DanDare: http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 05:31.53 | nvz | its like the 4th or 5th question on the faq, run via a cronjob |
| 05:31.54 | DanDare | thanks nvz ! |
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| 05:35.35 | nvz | > sleep |
| 05:35.36 | DanDare | nvz, seems that its just on cron.daily |
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| 05:35.47 | nvz | DanDare: yes, once a week on a random day |
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| 05:36.48 | nvz | DanDare: I'm actually glad you mentioned it because I had always said no to participating solely because I didn't ever configure my MTA for outgoing mail.. but it says it now does it http by default |
| 05:37.09 | DanDare | nice |
| 05:37.16 | nvz | yeah tell me about it.. |
| 05:37.29 | nvz | most people dont configure their MTA for anything but local delivery |
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| 05:37.53 | DanDare | yeah, like in here |
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| 05:38.28 | nvz | I guess now I know that I can say yes to popcon and not have to worry about the MTA cause it doesnt default to mailing them anymore |
| 05:39.11 | DanDare | it was default in the past ? |
| 05:39.21 | nvz | in the past it was the only option |
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| 05:39.42 | nvz | when popcon was first introduced it was done by mail only |
| 05:40.01 | nvz | the FAQ indicates that newer versions not only support HTTP but use it by default |
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| 05:41.10 | nvz | !popcon |
| 05:41.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 05:42.57 | nvz | dpkg, popcon ~= s/.org\//.org\/ -- See the FAQ at http:\/\/popcon.debian.org\/FAQ/ |
| 05:42.57 | dpkg | nvz: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 05:43.01 | nvz | haha |
| 05:43.08 | nvz | wasn't sure about that |
| 05:43.21 | nvz | I can use a different delimiter.. |
| 05:43.44 | nvz | dpkg, popcon ~= s#.org/#.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ# |
| 05:43.44 | dpkg | nvz: You are person #3 to send an unparseable request |
| 05:44.02 | nvz | well screw it then, I just dont know what I'm talking about |
| 05:44.12 | nvz | think I got the ~= thing backwards |
| 05:44.25 | nvz | dpkg, popcon =~ s#.org/#.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ# |
| 05:44.25 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 05:44.31 | nvz | dpkg, popcon |
| 05:44.32 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 05:44.39 | nvz | woot |
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| 05:47.15 | nvz | > sleep |
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| 06:05.29 | SaratogaCx | heya, I have a wireless problem that I'm totally confused about... I have two laptops (different hardware) with this issue. I have a simple 64bit wep AP which both of the laptops can see but when I try and connect it ust fails. I'm not sure what chnaged but they are both now working any more. My phone (android) can connect no problem. |
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| 06:21.48 | csecse | anybody here with experince to djbdns dnscache? |
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| 06:23.08 | kdasdasf | hi i'm looking for a tutorial on how to create a .deb package for a php application. all tutorials i found are about c applications which need a fakeroot for compilation etc |
| 06:24.11 | csecse | djbdns? anybody? |
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| 06:25.26 | eagles0513875 | UAE: stop spamming other irc networks |
| 06:26.41 | Jaafo | can I use my remote debian box to send an email or sms? |
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| 06:27.05 | eagles0513875 | Jaafo: i think for sms though u have to be signed up with an sms service if im not mistaken if anyone else knows correct me if im wrong |
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| 06:30.47 | Jaafo | and email? |
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| 06:31.56 | DogBoy | Jaafo, you can |
| 06:32.01 | DogBoy | sms |
| 06:32.08 | DogBoy | using twitter I think |
| 06:32.11 | Jaafo | enlighten me |
| 06:32.22 | DogBoy | or google voice |
| 06:32.25 | DogBoy | google on it |
| 06:32.37 | DogBoy | I just did enlighten you |
| 06:32.39 | Jaafo | how clever |
| 06:34.03 | DogBoy | Jaafo, http://nerdvittles.com/?p=659 |
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| 06:38.27 | tinflu | can anyone recommend a good pop3 server? |
| 06:38.33 | PinkFreud | UAE is spamming on join |
| 06:39.04 | tinflu | that's true UAW spambot |
| 06:39.08 | tinflu | UAE that is |
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| 06:40.23 | PinkFreud | is it just me, or does wpasupplicant refuse to find networks with a hidden ssid? |
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| 06:40.55 | liable | theres a setting that helps that |
| 06:41.16 | liable | the scan_ssid one |
| 06:41.59 | PinkFreud | I've thrown everything I could at it - I've set the ssid, the bssid, I've tried all three wpa-ap-scan settings (I've manually set wpa-key-mgmt, wpa-pairwise, wpa-group, and wpa-proto when using wpa-ap-scan 2) |
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| 06:42.06 | PinkFreud | yep, I have that one, too |
| 06:42.09 | PinkFreud | no joy |
| 06:42.25 | PinkFreud | wpasupplicant just drools and looks stupid |
| 06:42.43 | liable | probably the driver |
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| 06:43.06 | PinkFreud | using the default wext driver. the card is atheros, using madwifi. |
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| 06:43.15 | liable | ah |
| 06:43.24 | liable | why arent you using ath5k these days? |
| 06:43.57 | PinkFreud | meh, started off with madwifi. had some problems the last time I tried to switch to ath5k, so stuck with madwifi since it was working. :) |
| 06:44.02 | liable | and make sure that module isnt loaded too |
| 06:44.09 | Siegfried | anyone with segfaults because of mod_wsgi? |
| 06:44.15 | Siegfried | in apache2 |
| 06:44.19 | liable | though madwifi-tools should blacklist it |
| 06:44.24 | Siegfried | dunno if there was an update |
| 06:44.37 | PinkFreud | nope. have ath_pci loaded, no ath5k |
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| 06:46.03 | PinkFreud | hmmm. any ops about? can someone do something about the onjoin spammer UAE? |
| 06:46.17 | liable | !ops UAE onjoin spam |
| 06:46.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: UAE onjoin spam |
| 06:46.31 | liable | didn't get me when i cucled though |
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| 06:47.08 | liable | danke |
| 06:48.45 | PinkFreud | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 06:50.33 | PinkFreud | even with switching to ath5k, no joy |
| 06:50.33 | eagles0513875 | liable: ty didnt know the bot could call an op |
| 06:50.39 | eagles0513875 | ty dondelelcaro for banning btw :) |
| 06:50.56 | PinkFreud | wpa_cli reports the card repeatedly trying to associate with no success |
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| 06:54.16 | PinkFreud | I'm able to connect to an ap using wep, so I'm having some serious doubts as to wpasupplicant's viability here. |
| 06:54.44 | PinkFreud | wpasupplicant simply appears to be non-functional |
| 06:56.10 | Skeptic | hello, I want smbclient to list the network shares but on "smbclient -L host" it gives me the error "error nt_status_connection_refused" |
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| 06:56.48 | johni | hello everybody, I am following this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 and I do not understand what .changes file is. |
| 06:57.12 | johni | I know how to create a .deb file but how do you generate the .changes file? |
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| 06:57.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: dpkg-buildpackage automatically creates one |
| 06:58.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | as does pbuilder iirc, which would be a better way to build |
| 06:58.17 | Jaafo | what was the cmd to send an email from debian box? it was something like mail -params "msg" |
| 06:58.18 | Jaafo | or something |
| 06:59.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'mail' is the one |
| 06:59.11 | johni | Kamping_Kaiser, what is the difference between .deb and .changes? Could I use just the deb file for reprepro? |
| 06:59.11 | Jaafo | Kamping_Kaiser pardon? |
| 06:59.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: thats the command you want |
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| 06:59.24 | Jaafo | with what parameters |
| 06:59.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: .deb is the binary package, .changes is a description of the package+related source |
| 06:59.43 | cisticola | with Lenny and multiple different soundcards, sometimes sound card order is changed on boot, How do I get consistent behavior? |
| 06:59.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | this is described in the nm, iirc |
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| 07:00.49 | Jaafo | Kamping_Kaiser suppose i want to email test@abc.com with text "test" and subject "hi" |
| 07:00.56 | Jaafo | whats the cmd using mail? |
| 07:01.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: have you looked at the man page? |
| 07:01.31 | Jaafo | there are no examples |
| 07:01.32 | PinkFreud | sigh. apparently, this isn't going to happen tonight, if at all. |
| 07:01.58 | johni | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks :) now I understand. So, if there are no sources to be distributed I could use just the .deb package. |
| 07:02.00 | PinkFreud | I've been banging my head against the wall named wpasupplicant for 2 hours now. I'm rapidly running out of options to try. |
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| 07:02.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | PinkFreud: i'm on ar9k, so i can't help you :( |
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| 07:02.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: i think reprepro will let you just use the deb, but i haven't investigated that option |
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| 07:03.25 | PinkFreud | the furthest I've managed to get is to convince wpasupplicant to figure out the bssid on it's own and to associate with it... after which it drops with an authentication timed out message. |
| 07:03.25 | Jaafo | help me Kamping_Kaiser |
| 07:04.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: why? its taken me 20 seconds to look in the man page and find the options you need. |
| 07:04.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: you clearly cbf, so why help you? |
| 07:04.18 | johni | Kamping_Kaiser, I see that there are lot of tools to create deb repositories. Is reprepro a good candidate? What is the official tool used by debian? |
| 07:04.30 | Jaafo | Kamping_Kaiser it took you 20 seconds because you already know it |
| 07:04.38 | Jaafo | if i already knew it it would only take 2 seconds |
| 07:04.55 | Jaafo | ive never used it before so help would be appriciated |
| 07:04.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: debian use 'dak', which isn't in the repos. reprepro is usually the recommended tool. |
| 07:05.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: let me look in the man page for you: |
| 07:05.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | magic. |
| 07:05.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: i'm a bit irate with reprepro atm since it ate my repo, but i'm a pretty heavy user of it. if you have a simple repo it should work fine. |
| 07:06.32 | Jaafo | so "mail -s "Subject" test@abc.com" |
| 07:06.36 | Jaafo | where's the text msg? |
| 07:06.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: you type it in after pressing enter on that line |
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| 07:07.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Jaafo: or it reads it from stdin. |
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| 07:07.34 | johni | Kamping_Kaiser, for the moment I will have only a couple of packages so nothing big |
| 07:07.34 | yow | Jaafo: u can try google for examples |
| 07:07.44 | Jaafo | when i type msg after that line |
| 07:07.47 | Jaafo | I hit enter again? |
| 07:07.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: if you follow a guide it should be reasonably easy to work with |
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| 07:08.30 | Jaafo | i did "mail -s "subject" emailID |
| 07:08.36 | Jaafo | then i pressed enter, given a text msg |
| 07:08.39 | Jaafo | now how to send it? |
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| 07:09.14 | johni | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks for your help. The link I posted in my first message is a very simple guide about reprepro. The only part that I was missing was the difference between .deb and .changes |
| 07:09.21 | peterS | Jaafo: if you've typed out the message, use ctrl-d to end |
| 07:09.32 | peterS | Jaafo: if you aren't at the beginning of a line, hit enter first so you are |
| 07:09.38 | johni | Jaafo, why do you torture yourself? use a GUI.... |
| 07:09.52 | Jaafo | when i press ctrl+d |
| 07:09.54 | Jaafo | it says |
| 07:09.57 | Jaafo | Cc |
| 07:10.16 | simonrvn | hit enter again... |
| 07:10.18 | yow | Jaafo: Try "mail -s "Subject" test@abc.com < "blah blah blah..." |
| 07:10.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | johni: cool |
| 07:10.28 | krisfremen | Jaafo: why not just pipe the mail? |
| 07:10.33 | krisfremen | what yow did |
| 07:10.35 | peterS | yow: where "blah blah blah..." is a filename? |
| 07:10.55 | peterS | 'cause I don't think that was very clear, "blah blah blah..." does not look like a filename |
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| 07:11.45 | yow | peterS: what about "blah blah blah..." | mail -s "Subject" test@abc.com ? |
| 07:11.46 | Jaafo | ok |
| 07:12.01 | peterS | yow: did you mean to have the word 'echo' in there somewhere? |
| 07:12.31 | yow | Jaafo: i think petemc is right, u need to feed/end the cmd line with a filename, iirc. |
| 07:12.52 | yow | peterS: sort of. |
| 07:13.23 | yow | peterS: probably it's better to use `echo' explicitly |
| 07:13.33 | Jaafo | ok and how do i raed an email |
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| 07:14.10 | yow | Jaafo: that's a little more complicated |
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| 07:14.17 | yow | Jaafo: try mutt |
| 07:14.49 | yow | Jaafo: try to google some simple examples or tutorials on mutt |
| 07:15.28 | Jaafo | ok |
| 07:15.31 | yow | having said that, i wonder if it's not good to recommend using google in this room (or in general)? |
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| 07:16.24 | johni | yow, what do you mean by recommending to use google? |
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| 07:17.10 | simonrvn | !room |
| 07:17.11 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 07:17.20 | yow | Kamping_Kaiser: i think there r some ppl esp newbies find it difficult to understand some tech docs such as man pages. simple examples or tutorials are easier for them. im one of them :) |
| 07:18.51 | yow | johni: i suggested Jaafo to google for the info he needs. i wonder if it's a good practice (advice) in here. |
| 07:19.16 | joruzski | when i try to upgrade my 'testing' , the system says my version of udev is ahead of the kernel. how could this have happened? i thought this sort of thing is autocontolled. debian won't upgrade kernel automatically? |
| 07:19.16 | wols_ | yow: this advice is in the rules /msg dpkg rules |
| 07:19.53 | wols_ | joruzski: it could have happened cause you personally shouldn't run testing. read the message again until you understand it |
| 07:20.14 | johni | yow, I think people should attempt to research the topic a bit before asking questions here. it is very obvious that Jaafo did not do it so I am not sure that mentioning it will have any effect even if you mention it. |
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| 07:21.07 | wols_ | joruzski: btw, if you installed debian the way it's suggested, yes kernels are updated |
| 07:21.18 | ttyX | can someone help me with my grub2 framebuffer |
| 07:21.30 | simonrvn | joruzski: no, it doesn't. |
| 07:21.51 | simonrvn | you'd have to you know, reboot for it to take effect.... |
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| 07:22.21 | wols_ | ttyX: ask your real question |
| 07:22.23 | ttyX | console resolution works fine but the grub bootsplash is still 640x480 |
| 07:22.30 | yow | johni: probably u r right. just from my own experience as a non-english native speaker. i do find it difficult to study some english docs esp to learn somthing new. im guessing perhaps he's new in linux. having that said, i still very often find some man pages and other english tech docs difficult to understand |
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| 07:23.30 | joruzski | wols_: i am now in Window, but your comment is not helpful. The msg is clear, upgrade cannot proceed because udev is ahead of my kernel, which is 2.6.18. |
| 07:23.52 | wols_ | joruzski: bullshit |
| 07:24.02 | simonrvn | it's an etch kernel. |
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| 07:24.28 | simonrvn | if his uname says that, anyway... |
| 07:24.37 | joruzski | wols_: i am not chatting from Vista, shit you, arsehole. |
| 07:24.38 | yow | johni: when i was doing my degree, i often found it diffuclt to understand something after reading it repeatedly. however, 1 simple example make me understand it "fully". |
| 07:24.49 | wols_ | joruzski: stop insulting people |
| 07:24.59 | joruzski | wols_: fuck you. |
| 07:25.11 | joruzski | wols_: you arse for it. |
| 07:25.11 | frustro | hi all. new to debian, 'specially runlevel 3. I need to format and mount a usb drive to backup the data before i ESXi the server. |
| 07:25.16 | simonrvn | wols_: joruzski: both of you, stop it. |
| 07:25.24 | frustro | I foudn the drive as /dev/sdc |
| 07:25.52 | simonrvn | frustro: rc 3 doesn't make a difference to/for anything. |
| 07:25.53 | frustro | tried fdisk /dev/sdc and deleted the ntfs partiions. and wrote it |
| 07:25.54 | yow | johni: i do often think that it's my own problem, i.e. my learning ability is rather low |
| 07:26.05 | frustro | it does to me |
| 07:26.05 | joruzski | wols is so obnoxious. instead of answering my q, he says i bullshit. |
| 07:26.32 | joruzski | i am now chatting from Vista. |
| 07:26.41 | ttyX | here's my /etc/grub.d/00_header |
| 07:26.45 | ttyX | http://pastebin.com/hvD69fqk |
| 07:27.00 | wols_ | frustro: you still haven't told us what the problem is |
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| 07:27.14 | ttyX | and here's /etc/default/grub |
| 07:27.16 | ttyX | http://pastebin.com/mrRgyXVh |
| 07:27.16 | johni | yow, you have a very good point about documentation. The problem is amplified by the fact that documentation is not always written be native english speakers. |
| 07:27.51 | frustro | well, i can explaint what i ve doen, or be a total noob and ask, how do i format and then mount a 160 gb hdd so i can copt data from /home and /shre to it |
| 07:27.54 | joruzski | i am having problem with my 'testing', i can't upgrade because udev-1.4.1-2 is too high for my kernel 2.6.18. |
| 07:28.03 | bipolar | frustro: you probbaly just wanted to format the existing partition with ext3. |
| 07:28.25 | yow | johni: i think u r right :) however those authors did very very well though. |
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| 07:28.26 | frustro | couldn't find the hex type when did t then l from fdisk |
| 07:28.35 | joruzski | can i just install the latest 2.6.x image? |
| 07:28.42 | bipolar | frustro: if it's /dev/sdc then go back to fdisk and make sure.... you don't need a hex type. ;P |
| 07:28.43 | wols_ | frustro: you could have used the ntfs partition there. but now, what kind of filesystem do you want to use now? |
| 07:29.00 | wols_ | frustro: at least for linux, hext type is totally and utterly irrelevant |
| 07:29.08 | bipolar | frustro: go back to 'fdisk /dev/sdc' and list the partitions. whats there now? |
| 07:29.17 | joruzski | and wols, instead of answering my q, insulted me. |
| 07:29.19 | frustro | now? |
| 07:29.21 | frustro | k |
| 07:29.34 | bipolar | frustro: yeah. you mentioned deleting partitions. |
| 07:29.50 | frustro | ## /dev/sdc1 1 19457 156288321 83 Linux |
| 07:29.58 | joruzski | wols_: you are a real PITA. |
| 07:30.00 | bipolar | frustro: ah, good. |
| 07:30.08 | frustro | i got rid of the rest |
| 07:30.09 | bipolar | frustro: now you just need to format it. |
| 07:30.11 | frustro | and made that |
| 07:30.27 | frustro | but if i mount, i get junk like this |
| 07:30.35 | wols_ | frustro: I suggest you do a mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1 now |
| 07:30.44 | bipolar | frustro: you need to format it. |
| 07:30.53 | johni | can somebody ban joruzski? |
| 07:31.06 | frustro | â´oââ.dtâ âªaâ¥ââjÏé.ësz âb?Ωi[?<.â¬?â é?yâ¦â?iü._bÏ |
| 07:31.06 | bipolar | frustro: 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1' should do it. |
| 07:31.09 | wols_ | joruzski: !ops <reason for calling them> |
| 07:31.14 | frustro | ah |
| 07:31.17 | joruzski | what? |
| 07:31.20 | frustro | that's all? just a format? |
| 07:31.29 | wols_ | joruzski: ^^ |
| 07:31.31 | bipolar | frustro: thats what that command does |
| 07:31.37 | wols_ | frustro: yes, but you need to mount it afterwards |
| 07:31.40 | frustro | jeez, so it still sees the ntfs block data |
| 07:31.48 | frustro | makes sense |
| 07:31.49 | bipolar | frustro: then mount it after you format it. |
| 07:31.53 | bipolar | frustro: yep :) |
| 07:31.53 | frustro | :0 |
| 07:32.00 | frustro | will do, brb |
| 07:32.05 | bipolar | frustro: you should be good to go after that. |
| 07:32.06 | wols_ | frustro: however, you can't use this usb hdd then under windows. at least not easily |
| 07:32.07 | joruzski | wols_: why u say i "personally shouldn't run 'testing'"? |
| 07:32.16 | frustro | thinks this chan rox |
| 07:32.49 | bipolar | frustro: just don't come in here asking for help with Ubuntu. You'll get flamed out :P |
| 07:32.58 | joruzski | i have always install debian the way it is suggested. |
| 07:33.29 | Devastator | joruzski testing is for people that know their way in debian and can fix its own problems |
| 07:33.56 | frustro | lol, i got past ubuntu about 3 years ago |
| 07:34.05 | frustro | then went to centos |
| 07:34.09 | tobago | i have xfce running on my debian. and i use the wdm to start the login screen. but the wdm doesn't start up. what might go wrong? |
| 07:34.22 | frustro | now learing debian for a new cust. |
| 07:34.35 | bipolar | frustro: hehe. I still use it every day. I have Debian on my servers, Kubuntu on my workstations. It's a nice fit. |
| 07:34.37 | wols_ | tobago: does /etc/init.d/wdm start work? |
| 07:34.39 | joruzski | Devastator: i have fixed many problems. i thought #debian is the place where difficult problems can be helped. i am wrong. this place is for ignorant, newbies. |
| 07:35.04 | joruzski | for smartass wannabes |
| 07:35.06 | Devastator | joruzski #debian supports stable only |
| 07:35.12 | frustro | root@scdc:~# ls /tstmnt/ |
| 07:35.12 | frustro | lost+found |
| 07:35.14 | frustro | woot |
| 07:35.21 | frustro | :) |
| 07:35.29 | frustro | forgot to format |
| 07:35.29 | Devastator | joruzski but sometimes you may find people that will help you with testing |
| 07:35.31 | bipolar | gratz frustro! |
| 07:35.46 | frustro | bipolar, gratzi! |
| 07:35.49 | Devastator | joruzski I run testing myself and was helped before.. but it's not common |
| 07:36.02 | tobago | in /etc/X11/default-display-manager there is /usr/sbin/wchristian |
| 07:36.09 | PinkFreud | joruzski: you'll see all kinds of people in here. |
| 07:36.12 | frustro | cant belive i forgot to format..... |
| 07:36.26 | PinkFreud | joruzski: however, if you tell them to go fuck themselves, you'll probably find that they're not willing to help you. |
| 07:36.41 | joruzski | Devastator: at last u add that. it depends on what time it is. the Yanks are all asleep. only smartass wannabes Euros are around now. |
| 07:37.05 | frustro | Euro porn is hot, so I give them a little slack |
| 07:37.06 | PinkFreud | joruzski: I'm a 'yank'. |
| 07:37.19 | frustro | i'm a rebel too |
| 07:37.25 | Devastator | joruzski don't generalize.. |
| 07:37.58 | tobago | in /etc/X11/default-display-manager there is /usr/bin/wdm and this binary file exists. |
| 07:38.09 | wols_ | tobago: please answer my question |
| 07:38.17 | joruzski | PinkFreud: Yanks are soundly in bed. even in the Pacific Zone, it would be past midnight now. |
| 07:38.19 | johni | joruzski, abusive language like yours should be rewarded with a ban |
| 07:38.25 | tobago | wols_, i'll check it. |
| 07:38.35 | wols_ | johni: it usually is but currently no op is around |
| 07:39.16 | joruzski | johni: my child, i have got it worse than what i have given, from here. |
| 07:39.20 | PinkFreud | joruzski: ahh, so clearly I'm not a yank, then. |
| 07:39.30 | PinkFreud | joruzski: Sound logic you have there. |
| 07:39.39 | wols_ | can you people take this to #defocus please? |
| 07:39.55 | PinkFreud | For your information, I'm on the east coast of the US. It's 2:39 am. I'm obviously up. |
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| 07:40.14 | PinkFreud | Next? |
| 07:40.27 | joruzski | PinkFreud: in the net, anyone can claim anything. |
| 07:40.30 | frustro | hey, thanks again bipolar and wols_, after a reboot, i am am mounting from fstab and not copying a test sql db. thanks again! |
| 07:40.41 | frustro | *now |
| 07:40.44 | frustro | lol |
| 07:40.51 | PinkFreud | joruzski: /whois PinkFreud |
| 07:41.12 | PinkFreud | joruzski: then again, it's clear you're just trolling. begone, and take a shower, you foul-smelling thing. :) |
| 07:41.41 | joruzski | PinkFreud: its time you go to bed to get f*cked! :D |
| 07:41.47 | Devastator | so people sleeps in US after midnight.. good to know |
| 07:41.52 | frustro | nope |
| 07:41.56 | Devastator | I won't call to US after midnight.. |
| 07:42.38 | tobago | wols_, i did as root. then printed Starting WING's display manager: wdm , the screen flickered a bit but then returned back to bash. |
| 07:42.47 | Devastator | PinkFreud please tell the guy you are sleeping but awake the same time :P |
| 07:43.03 | PinkFreud | Devastator: that's always the case anyway. :) |
| 07:43.06 | wols_ | tobago: probably your X is misconfigured. run "startx" and check the log for errors |
| 07:44.09 | Devastator | PinkFreud I don't know the word in english for it :( |
| 07:44.28 | joruzski | sleepwalking? |
| 07:44.39 | Devastator | thanks |
| 07:45.07 | joruzski | i am obviously among people below my class. |
| 07:46.02 | joruzski | enough of wasting time here, bye. |
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| 07:47.50 | bipolar | what an ass |
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| 07:50.16 | wols_ | tobago: any luck? |
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| 07:53.55 | frustro | anyone get an ip to metaspolit on that guy? |
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| 07:54.28 | frustro | nevermind |
| 07:54.30 | frustro | i see it |
| 07:55.20 | liable | eh? |
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| 07:55.47 | frustro | bt4, nice little "security" testing distro |
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| 07:58.16 | frustro | i'm out. bipolar and wols_, thanks bunches! |
| 07:58.40 | simonrvn | below his class? fuck him and his elitist bullcrap attitude. |
| 07:59.00 | bipolar | frustro: cheers! |
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| 07:59.40 | wols_ | simonrvn: the plebs has to be silent. remember: seen but not heard! |
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| 08:00.07 | simonrvn | like i said: FUCK him. |
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| 08:04.50 | jetole | hey guys, I am trying to find a way to list packages on a system that can be upgraded via apt-get and I'm having a bit of a hard time. apt-get upgrade shows more info then I need, apt-show-versions shows packages which can be upgraded but won't be for whatever reason, etc etc |
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| 08:05.39 | simonrvn | so filter the output. |
| 08:05.49 | jetole | I'm trying to find something concie and accurate that I can script into dsh so I can see a list of what packages on a group of servers and if all packages look good then I can use dsh again to upgrade |
| 08:05.53 | jetole | simonrvn: how? |
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| 08:06.09 | nsadmin | jetole what version of debian do you run |
| 08:06.13 | simonrvn | using common unix tools |
| 08:06.42 | jetole | simonrvn: "how" wasn't a rhetorical question |
| 08:06.47 | nsadmin | (but you have to be familiar with those tools and with the shell) |
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| 08:07.02 | jetole | nsadmin: mostly 5, also ubuntu 8.04, 9.04 and 9.10 |
| 08:07.05 | simonrvn | do you see a rhetorical answer there? |
| 08:07.11 | jetole | yes |
| 08:07.24 | simonrvn | then you misunderstand, grasshopper. |
| 08:07.31 | jetole | ambigious perhaps is a better word |
| 08:07.33 | nsadmin | when you're running 5, you should consider aptitude |
| 08:08.07 | jetole | nsadmin: I don't really know aptitude but I will look at the man now, I have used apt-get forever |
| 08:08.45 | nsadmin | about "how", that's within basic unix tutorials... it's more efficent use of bw here and of your time. besides it's more fun |
| 08:09.16 | jetole | nsadmin: on this one host (low priority host so good to test on) it's 4 but it has aptitude too but most debian servers are 5 |
| 08:09.23 | nsadmin | let's see what this thing says... |
| 08:09.27 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 08:09.27 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
| 08:10.23 | bipolar | jetole: try this: PACKAGES=$(apt-get -qq --simulate dist-upgrade | grep -i Inst | cut -d" " -f2) |
| 08:10.32 | nsadmin | that might be a cool thing to go thru, but not sure that's what I'm looking for |
| 08:10.36 | nsadmin | !grounding |
| 08:10.36 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 08:10.47 | bipolar | $PACKAGES will then be the list of packages that are going to be installed. |
| 08:11.08 | nsadmin | !unix lessons |
| 08:11.08 | dpkg | i guess unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 08:11.35 | jetole | bipolar: actually I didn't pay enough attention to the -q option before, that helps a lot |
| 08:11.38 | jetole | thanks |
| 08:11.42 | nsadmin | that's not unix lessons :P |
| 08:11.42 | bipolar | jetole: yw |
| 08:11.49 | nsadmin | ignore that part |
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| 08:12.03 | nsadmin | but many of those things are good ideas |
| 08:12.42 | nsadmin | !general cli tutorial |
| 08:12.43 | dpkg | somebody said general cli tutorial was http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/, or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/ or http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html |
| 08:13.14 | nsadmin | there's some things that could help |
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| 08:13.22 | nsadmin | (finally :P ) |
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| 08:15.18 | nsadmin | those may cover this, but additionally the better you are at your shell, the better your experience will be |
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| 08:17.04 | jetole | does anyone know where I can find out what inst and conf and other option mean when I use apt-get -qq? |
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| 08:17.48 | freebse | I just updated and xorg got updated (unstable) and compiz broke again, it is pain with radeon driver |
| 08:17.57 | bipolar | jetole: does the man page have any info? |
| 08:18.16 | jetole | bipolar: I didn't see it, let me double check |
| 08:18.41 | freebse | compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 08:18.42 | jetole | oh, actually it does in another section |
| 08:18.46 | wols_ | freebse: you make very strange assunmptions vs sid. naybe you should choose something else to run |
| 08:18.46 | jetole | yeah, oops |
| 08:18.51 | jetole | hehe, thanks |
| 08:20.04 | freebse | wols_: na actually I don't care if compiz is broken, I am using unstable because of this, regard this posting as a remark, with every new xorg version compiz breaks. |
| 08:20.28 | tobago | wols_, i searched the syslog and found several errors concerning the wdm. does the xorg.conf has to belong to root? |
| 08:20.48 | wols_ | tobago: syslog is not the place where wdm puts out anything |
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| 08:20.58 | freebse | wols_: I have the same problems on stable, but because xorg is not updated it is not that much of a problem |
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| 08:21.15 | wols_ | it simply has to be readable |
| 08:21.25 | tobago | wols_, but there were entires of the wdm. |
| 08:21.35 | wols_ | tobago: in /var/log/syslog? |
| 08:21.41 | JohnDoe75 | test |
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| 08:21.46 | tobago | wols_, right |
| 08:21.46 | freebse | radeon drivers and compiz does not work out, I have another laptop with nvidia and I have never experienced any of this problems |
| 08:21.59 | wols_ | freebse: do you have a debian related question/problem? |
| 08:22.20 | wols_ | !tell tobago about errors |
| 08:22.59 | freebse | wols_: it is a problem, so maybe someone did an update and have the same problems and fixed it allready |
| 08:23.07 | JohnDoe75 | test |
| 08:23.18 | tobago | the most promising (to me) error i found was: Can not open config file. Using built in defaults. |
| 08:23.23 | wols_ | JohnDoe75: please do this elswehere |
| 08:23.30 | wols_ | tobago: this is no error |
| 08:23.40 | wols_ | tobago: check your Xorg log instead |
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| 08:24.50 | JohnDoe75 | test |
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| 08:27.58 | pallgone | greetings... wow... debian is great. I've been messing with archlinux, freebsd, frugalware and others lately. now I've got a new laptopt and all of it was a pain until I tried squeeze. in like 30 minutes I have all of the stuff running I usually need... like conkeror, urxvt, xmonad, emacs... |
| 08:28.18 | tobago | wols_, there was a "warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown" and later "No fontpath specified. Using compiled-in default" "the directoy '/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic' does not exist" |
| 08:29.15 | wols_ | tobago: if you don't know what errors are, pastebin the file |
| 08:29.29 | wols_ | tobago: but ONLY if you did what I asked to do you above |
| 08:29.52 | wols_ | *you to do |
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| 08:31.02 | ttyX | I just had to reszie the splash image prob solved ;) |
| 08:31.06 | tobago | wols_, yeah. it was from the Xorg log file (of today). i'll pastie the whole file. |
| 08:31.09 | ttyX | resize* |
| 08:32.05 | wols_ | tobago: did you run startx? |
| 08:32.12 | tobago | wols_, yes |
| 08:32.39 | tobago | wols_, after logging in i did startx |
| 08:32.44 | ttyX | aren't you supposed to write a xinitrc file before doing that? |
| 08:33.40 | wols_ | tobago: before doing what? |
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| 08:34.02 | ttyX | startx |
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| 08:34.10 | tobago | wols_, before searching the Xorg log file. |
| 08:34.19 | tobago | wols_, then the xfce gui starts. |
| 08:35.12 | wols_ | tobago: then the logs I told you about won't give you an answer. now why didn't you tell me that BEFORE you wasted all my time with this? I asked you to do startx right at the beginning |
| 08:35.35 | nsadmin | ttyX: startx can use Xsession or .xsession as well |
| 08:35.36 | wols_ | tobago: no you are not supposed to |
| 08:35.40 | ttyX | write xinitrc file in your hole folder with 'xfce4-session' inside it |
| 08:35.45 | ttyX | home* |
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| 08:35.55 | ttyX | then startx |
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| 08:36.41 | wols_ | tobago: better read the question before trying to answer |
| 08:36.52 | wols_ | grah. was for ttyX |
| 08:36.52 | tobago | wols_, i booted the machine, then logged in by bash (because wdm did not start by itself). then i did "/etc/init.d/wdm start" (as you told me). after that i did "startx" (as you told me). and then searched the log files. |
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| 08:40.38 | tobago | wols_, shall i still pastie the whole xorg log file? |
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| 08:40.58 | BorisK | hello, ich need a german debian channen :( |
| 08:41.15 | tobago | lol |
| 08:41.49 | tobago | i guess it was joke? |
| 08:42.41 | wols_ | !de |
| 08:42.42 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 08:42.55 | BorisK | thank you! |
| 08:43.07 | tobago | it has been not a joke? |
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| 08:43.21 | BorisK | no joke^^ |
| 08:43.30 | Fantom__ | VFS: unable to mount |
| 08:43.31 | Fantom__ | root file system |
| 08:43.32 | tobago | ah then #debian-de |
| 08:43.34 | Fantom__ | kernel panic? |
| 08:43.39 | Fantom__ | what is that |
| 08:43.41 | Fantom__ | on 2.6.33 |
| 08:44.06 | wols_ | Fantom__: it's a kernel compile gone bad. don't do it |
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| 08:44.19 | Fantom__ | how can i fix it |
| 08:44.36 | JPT | 2.6.33 is weird.. |
| 08:44.43 | wols_ | by installing a standard debian kernel |
| 08:44.54 | JPT | it complained about some version conflicts when generating the dpkg package... |
| 08:45.01 | Fantom__ | kernel-package |
| 08:45.08 | Fantom__ | make-kpkg shows incorrect version |
| 08:45.12 | Fantom__ | for 2.6.33 |
| 08:45.21 | Fantom__ | but for older version no |
| 08:45.22 | JPT | hm... |
| 08:45.36 | JPT | i'll check that out, thanks for the hint :) |
| 08:46.04 | Fantom__ | i a'm waiting for 2.6.33.1 |
| 08:46.06 | Fantom__ | :))))) |
| 08:46.11 | Fantom__ | 33 is a buggy |
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| 08:47.03 | tobago | wols_, what can i do next? |
| 08:47.54 | frustro_movinbit | on a bad kernel upgrade, cant you try to dpkg --configure -a and try to fix it? from the good one? |
| 08:48.15 | frustro_movinbit | wrong chan |
| 08:48.48 | wols_ | frustro_movinbit: it might help but it's a bad thing to do |
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| 08:51.18 | jetole | does anyone know how to tell which version of debian the computer I am on is? |
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| 08:51.38 | jetole | never mind, I figured it out |
| 08:52.13 | bipolar | lsb_release -a |
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| 08:56.11 | frustro | data move complete, checking md5 |
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| 09:00.54 | naranco | upgrading from etch to lenny. did the preparative work, following the release notes. now at 4.5.4 apt-get install apt. |
| 09:01.42 | naranco | this seems to pull in a lot of stuff that i dont have installed.. whats up? |
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| 09:02.18 | naranco | the system is a server box |
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| 09:03.57 | marcus_ | moin. ich hab beim paketentfernen nur remove angegeben. Kann ich die configs nachtraeglich auch noch purgen? |
| 09:05.41 | mischief | !tell marcus_ about german |
| 09:05.56 | marcus_ | ah, sorry :) |
| 09:06.08 | mischief | no problem, but i have no idea what you said so i can't help :) |
| 09:06.15 | marcus_ | i have removed packages using apt-get remove. is there a way to purge config files afterwards? |
| 09:06.31 | mischief | use the purge command |
| 09:06.32 | mischief | also, |
| 09:06.39 | mischief | !tell marcus_ about why aptitude |
| 09:06.43 | marcus_ | that's what i have missed. |
| 09:07.04 | marcus_ | so, do i have to reisntall them and then purge the config files? |
| 09:07.22 | marcus_ | or is there a way to purge all config files that still resist on the system |
| 09:08.00 | mischief | there are packages whose purpose is to find files with no package (orphaned files), i think |
| 09:08.06 | frustro | leave it to the german to relate remain to resist. marcus_ j/k :) |
| 09:08.25 | mischief | but you might be able to do 'aptitude purge packagename' after removing it |
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| 09:11.09 | marcus_ | mischief, okay, seems to work. thanks |
| 09:11.47 | mischief | bitte :) |
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| 09:18.03 | mischief | what packages does netinst contain? |
| 09:18.29 | mischief | if i don't usually select anything in tasksel should i just use netinstall? |
| 09:18.59 | liable | yep |
| 09:19.06 | liable | its has the base packages on it |
| 09:19.34 | mischief | excellent |
| 09:19.42 | mischief | does it have openssh-server? |
| 09:19.55 | liable | on the cd? not sure, i doubt it |
| 09:20.13 | mischief | hmm, not usually a problem. thanks |
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| 09:33.07 | badzo | hi, how can i fix my keyboard in debian sid? i cannot use arrow keys, i am forced to use arrow keyrs located under numlock |
| 09:33.23 | badzo | and i can find xorg.conf :) |
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| 09:37.34 | wols_ | badzo: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 09:44.39 | tobago | wols_, now i restarted the machine, then logged in and searched the Xorg log file and found this suspect message: "VESA (0): Failed to setup write-combining range (0x3f....)" --> a memory address. this message occurred several times with different addresses. |
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| 09:56.29 | Laberkopf | Hello ive got some probems with the terminal of debian. Each time I open it i see a flood of messages like: kernel:[ 7065.811443] do_IRQ: 0.107 No irq handler for vector (irq -1) |
| 09:56.30 | Laberkopf | Is it possible to deactivate this? |
| 09:57.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Laberkopf: the quik and dirty way is uncommenting kernel.printk in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 10:01.11 | Laberkopf | Kamping_Kaiser: okay i will have a try |
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| 10:05.21 | nvz | yeah its a whole lot easier to use setterm -msg off or whatever |
| 10:05.52 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
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| 10:10.46 | Laberkopf | Kamping_Kaiser: It doesn´t work. |
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| 10:11.01 | nvz | of course it doesn't it was a silly idea |
| 10:11.03 | nvz | heh |
| 10:11.13 | AlexAnteMachina | Hi all! |
| 10:11.25 | Laberkopf | any other suggestions? |
| 10:11.40 | nvz | Laberkopf: setterm -msg off |
| 10:11.44 | nvz | like a sane person |
| 10:11.47 | nvz | duh |
| 10:12.01 | wols_ | nvz: this is tardsday eve. why do you expect sane? |
| 10:12.01 | AlexAnteMachina | I'd like to know how to make the system run a simple bash command after booting. |
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| 10:12.56 | siri1 | AlexAnteMachina: go to single mode...after booting..:) |
| 10:13.13 | nvz | wols_: idk.. I just got woken up at 5am by a loud motherf'n barkin dog who doesnt have an inside voice, and cant tell time. Only to find my entire family coming in the door from lord only knows where.. I'd ask what the fuck they were doing, but I know better than to be surprised by weirdness anymore. |
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| 10:13.56 | wols_ | !wayttd AlexAnteMachina |
| 10:13.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, AlexAnteMachina? |
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| 10:14.24 | AlexAnteMachina | I'd like to run espeak when my server has booted. |
| 10:14.28 | Laberkopf | nvz: shall i reboot after the command? |
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| 10:14.46 | nvz | Laberkopf: sure if you want to have to type it again.. heh |
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| 10:15.19 | Laberkopf | nvz : it doesn´t oked either.. |
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| 10:15.30 | bzrk | AlexAnteMachina: put the script in /etc/rc.lcal |
| 10:15.36 | bzrk | rc.local* |
| 10:15.48 | Laberkopf | theres still a flood of errors :( |
| 10:15.51 | nvz | Laberkopf: that is suppose to turn off all printf messages for that terminal only |
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| 10:16.42 | Laberkopf | nvz : and how I can make this permanent? |
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| 10:17.02 | nvz | Laberkopf: you could put something like "for vt in 1 2 3 4 5 6; do setterm -msg off > /dev/tty$vt; done" in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or somewhere |
| 10:17.14 | nvz | Laberkopf: which will happen on boot and for all terminals |
| 10:17.21 | nvz | 1-6 that is |
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| 10:17.54 | wols_ | nvz: I'd use rc.local for that |
| 10:17.56 | wols_ | not bootmisc |
| 10:18.07 | nvz | *shrugs* I'm barely f'n awake |
| 10:18.58 | nvz | there is probably a more sane way to do that altogether |
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| 10:19.17 | nvz | I just recall doing it that way once before when I wanted all my terminals white for some odd reason |
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| 10:20.02 | bzrk | Laberkopf: edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 10:20.15 | bzrk | theres s line to disalbe the messages there |
| 10:20.24 | nvz | yeah he was told that already |
| 10:20.33 | bzrk | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 10:20.33 | bzrk | #kernel.printk = 3 4 1 3 |
| 10:20.39 | bzrk | ah sorry |
| 10:20.43 | Laberkopf | nvz: to complicated for me. srorry.. is it possible to find the source of the errors and turn it off? |
| 10:20.50 | nvz | thats when I told him what I'd do to get my console back, which is quickly type setterm -msg off |
| 10:21.03 | nvz | because its hard to edit files when the terminal is spewing uncontrollably |
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| 10:21.25 | Laberkopf | and setterm -msg off doesnt work too o.O |
| 10:21.29 | bzrk | i just read his question about the rebootsafe settings and found it easier than putting stuff in some initfile |
| 10:21.39 | nvz | right. |
| 10:21.57 | nvz | well in any case he says both methods don't work which indicates a bigger problem |
| 10:22.14 | nvz | my first guess is user error, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
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| 10:22.39 | Laberkopf | nvz : could be possible too.. im 13.. :D |
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| 10:22.44 | bzrk | Laberkopf: try setlogcons and redirect to some high console |
| 10:22.58 | AlexAnteMachina | nvz... how to? apt-get replace user? |
| 10:23.04 | nvz | Laberkopf: cool. Wish I had leaned about this at a younger age |
| 10:23.31 | bzrk | i wish there had been a debian when i was 13 :P |
| 10:24.04 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... I wish my parents would not have blocked out my interesting in computers when I was that age. |
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| 10:24.30 | nvz | hmm.. I would have been 13 in what, like 1996 I think.. |
| 10:24.50 | Laberkopf | bzrk: setlogcons also doesnt work.. |
| 10:24.58 | bzrk | Laberkopf: ok |
| 10:25.12 | bzrk | then i concur with nvz that your problem is probably bigger |
| 10:25.23 | AlexAnteMachina | Laberkopf, Kopf hoch! ;) |
| 10:26.00 | bzrk | Laberkopf: i would suggest googling the error and see how to fix it |
| 10:26.49 | Laberkopf | AlexAnteMachina: in deutsch schrieben geht leichter :D |
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| 10:27.05 | AlexAnteMachina | ja |
| 10:27.23 | AlexAnteMachina | is hier aber nicht erwuenscht |
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| 10:28.35 | nvz | says "gesundheit" and tosses Alex and Laber a kleenex |
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| 10:30.45 | sensae | What's the easiest way to remove every package in a metapackage? Say I install kde and want to not only remove it later, but every KDE application pulled as well. |
| 10:30.50 | Laberkopf | okay.. theres no info on the web I think.. btw: my computer is manufactured by medion and has a windows mdeia center remote reciever in it .. maybe this is the source? |
| 10:31.09 | nvz | sensae: auto-remove |
| 10:31.54 | nvz | sensae: packages pulled in by something else are marked auto installed and can later be auto removed when the package that pulled them in is gone |
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| 10:32.26 | nvz | sensae: man apt-get |
| 10:32.33 | sensae | nvz: thanks |
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| 10:33.42 | wols_ | sensae: aptitude auto removeis stuff now |
| 10:33.55 | wols_ | nvz: go back to sleep when you only give bad advice |
| 10:34.17 | nvz | I'm still not a huge fan of aptitude |
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| 10:34.29 | wols_ | that's not the point |
| 10:34.48 | nvz | gimme a f'n donut and some hot coco and I'll be fine.. |
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| 10:37.07 | rgr | Laberkopf: what gui do you use? |
| 10:37.33 | AlexAnteMachina | lol.... apt-get install fucking-donut |
| 10:37.46 | Laberkopf | rgr: gnome |
| 10:38.08 | rgr | its madness to put a script in rc to start espeak. |
| 10:38.13 | rgr | you want it per user. |
| 10:38.36 | rgr | system - preferences - startup appklications |
| 10:38.48 | nvz | for the record a fucking-donut is the kind with a hole in it, unless you're a chic then its the kind that is long and twisted |
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| 10:39.24 | rgr | you dont need to try so hard to be the obnoxious, foul mouthed nerd you know. |
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| 10:40.14 | nvz | though I suppose if you're a lesbian its the kind that is filled with strawberry jelly and you just put your tongue in the hole |
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| 10:40.44 | nvz | and squeeze.. |
| 10:41.32 | azeem_ | nvz: eh? |
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| 10:41.53 | AlexAnteMachina | rgr there is no windowmanager offering system - preferences - startup appklications installed. |
| 10:42.12 | rgr | AlexAnteMachina: huh? |
| 10:42.16 | rgr | window manager? |
| 10:42.21 | AlexAnteMachina | yes. |
| 10:42.24 | AlexAnteMachina | no screen. |
| 10:42.26 | rgr | gnome DE |
| 10:42.32 | nvz | sings softly and out of key " I take a walk outside... I'm surrounded by-y, some kids who play-ay... " |
| 10:42.34 | AlexAnteMachina | no x |
| 10:42.45 | rgr | system/preferences/startup apps |
| 10:42.49 | nvz | now if only I can remember which track off ten that is.. |
| 10:42.52 | rgr | he is using gnome of course he has X |
| 10:42.59 | sensae | Wow, this first boot is taking a long time.. |
| 10:43.46 | AlexAnteMachina | rgr, are you talking about me and my espeak problem or about sombody else? |
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| 10:44.34 | rgr | It could be we got conversations mixed. I was too busy boggling my eyes at nvz's lesbian donut ... |
| 10:44.40 | nvz | wanders outside to dance in the snow to Pearl Jam and wake the f' up |
| 10:44.51 | rgr | AlexAnteMachina: i thought it was Laberkopf lookig for espeak. Sorry. |
| 10:45.33 | rgr | AlexAnteMachina: ah, yes. scrolled back. sorry. |
| 10:46.04 | rgr | AlexAnteMachina: are ou booting to a command line? |
| 10:46.07 | rgr | you |
| 10:46.32 | sensae | Hrm, my fresh install of debian seems to hang at "Loading, please wait..." |
| 10:46.36 | AlexAnteMachina | rgr, it's just a small 266mhz device with debian. |
| 10:46.55 | rgr | if so sometihng line this in your .bashrc "pidof(espeak) || espeak &" |
| 10:46.55 | AlexAnteMachina | acting as ftp and smb server. |
| 10:47.32 | AlexAnteMachina | Actually it's a NSLU2 also called Slug, if you know !? |
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| 10:49.31 | sensae | Hrm.. a fresh install of lenny should use UUIDs in it's fstab, right? |
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| 10:52.15 | MalgrandaKodo | hmmm, does X11 use the first free terminal or does it want tty7? |
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| 10:55.13 | MalgrandaKodo | Or could I assign it to a text mode... terminal and have X11 at tty9 or something like that |
| 10:55.55 | Holborn | MalgrandaKodo: normally use the first tty free ... the number of tty is defined in /etc/inittab |
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| 10:56.38 | MalgrandaKodo | Holborn: my inittab is a nonstandard one... where is this defined there? |
| 10:56.42 | Holborn | if you define tty1 and tty3 .. X11 will use tty2 .. |
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| 10:57.09 | Holborn | check for lines like that "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" |
| 10:57.20 | MalgrandaKodo | yeah, I found these |
| 10:57.27 | rgr | but its not recommend afaik |
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| 10:58.44 | MalgrandaKodo | rgr: my X11 uses tty5 atm because it came from a dsl-ish install |
| 10:59.06 | Holborn | I was remove some ttys on some small computers .. normally I only use 2 or 3 I was deined 3 and then X11 goes to tty4 .. and I never has a problem .. |
| 10:59.06 | MalgrandaKodo | so.. it works |
| 11:00.05 | MalgrandaKodo | Holborn: why remove ttys on small boxen? wouldn't you want more? |
| 11:00.12 | Holborn | well ... remove process .. to save resources .. |
| 11:00.29 | MalgrandaKodo | I see your logic |
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| 11:00.46 | Holborn | I necver use 6 tty .. and if you use X11 .. bfff .. |
| 11:00.51 | MalgrandaKodo | I want to prevent having to start X11 and xterms |
| 11:02.01 | MalgrandaKodo | so... |
| 11:03.53 | Holborn | the way to do that is edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config or dpkg-reconfigure x11-common in a debian way :-) |
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| 11:04.40 | MalgrandaKodo | do what? |
| 11:05.36 | Holborn | man Xwrapper.config ... allowed_users anybody indicates that any user may start the X server |
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| 11:09.24 | MalgrandaKodo | so... can someone just have a glance on whether I f****ed something up and would have made the system unusable? |
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| 11:10.47 | massmc | hello can someone please help with a VNC issue.. I am logging into another machine with VNC and all the keys on keyboard seem mixed up |
| 11:10.49 | sensae | off to a great start, debian installed a borked fstab |
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| 11:11.39 | wols_ | MalgrandaKodo: you don't run debian. come back if you actually run debian. |
| 11:11.50 | wols_ | MalgrandaKodo: and THAT is why your inittab has no comments: not debian |
| 11:12.46 | MalgrandaKodo | wols_: I do run Debian |
| 11:12.57 | wols_ | 11:58 < MalgrandaKodo> rgr: my X11 uses tty5 atm because it came from a dsl-ish install |
| 11:13.01 | wols_ | QED no debian |
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| 11:13.34 | MalgrandaKodo | wols_: I removed the dsl package sources and updated her about 3 times already |
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| 11:13.57 | wols_ | MalgrandaKodo: no matter. as your "nonstandard" inittab shows this is not debian |
| 11:14.12 | MalgrandaKodo | it is a Frankenstein Linux |
| 11:14.14 | wols_ | install from a debian installer from debian.org until then: no debian |
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| 11:14.51 | wols_ | MalgrandaKodo: this channel is not named "#frankenstein debian", is it? |
| 11:15.02 | wols_ | sensae: borked how? |
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| 11:16.24 | sensae | wols_: For some reason the installer assigned devices different names than when the machine just boots, and the fstab wasn't written with UUIDs. |
| 11:16.32 | sensae | So my sda became sdc |
| 11:16.55 | wols_ | ugly. shouldn't happen since the kernel is supposed to be the same |
| 11:17.01 | nvz | wols_: I can tell this is going to be one of those mornings... |
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| 11:19.58 | nvz | is standing around dressed like a clown, doesn't know his name, you know where to find him.. |
| 11:20.02 | jelly-home | wols_: the kernel might be the same, but the order of module loading might not |
| 11:20.09 | sensae | Shouldn't lenny use UUIDs by default? |
| 11:20.37 | massmc | can someone please help me with logging into a debian box running gnome.. when I VNC into it all the keys are jumbled on the keyboard |
| 11:20.59 | massmc | my other boxes running xfce4 are fine tho |
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| 11:21.12 | nvz | massmc: do you have ssh access or local access to the box? |
| 11:21.19 | massmc | both |
| 11:21.23 | massmc | ssh is fine tho |
| 11:21.38 | nvz | massmc: and its fine locally? |
| 11:21.41 | wols_ | jelly-home: true. I know why I dislike initrd :) |
| 11:21.57 | massmc | nvz, yes its fine local and ssh |
| 11:21.57 | wols_ | massmc: jumbled how? |
| 11:22.09 | massmc | well all the keys are mixed up |
| 11:22.14 | wols_ | HOW? |
| 11:22.14 | nvz | massmc: what is the OS/desktop/keyboard on the machine you are trying to VNC from? |
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| 11:23.46 | massmc | wols, they are all mixed up.. like QWERT keys are BHRGT etc.. |
| 11:24.18 | massmc | nvz, i'm running tightvnc from a wiondows box and VNC into my linux boxes |
| 11:24.57 | wols_ | massmc: tried another vnc client perhaps? tho vnc (server or client) don't generally jumble keys randomly like that |
| 11:25.12 | wols_ | one client to use could be ultravnc |
| 11:25.23 | nvz | yeah that string is not common to any layout I am aware of |
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| 11:25.44 | massmc | wols_, I'll try a diff client.. but I think the issue is with gnome, cause xfce4 on the same machine has no issues |
| 11:26.04 | wols_ | massmc: tried the vino server inside gnome? |
| 11:26.25 | nvz | massmc: perhaps you could click on your panel and add the keyboard switcher applet.. |
| 11:26.28 | massmc | QWERT is c.gvn |
| 11:27.01 | sensae | Well that was fun, I finally got my fresh install to boot after rewriting fstab and modifying my menu.lst :/ |
| 11:27.05 | nvz | or try the gnome-keyboard-preferences |
| 11:27.27 | nvz | sensae: did you install from a removable device like USB? |
| 11:27.34 | sensae | nvz: Nope, CD. |
| 11:28.02 | nvz | ah.. that problem happens sometimes when people install off USB and have a sata drive |
| 11:28.23 | nvz | I've wondered why the hell the installer doesnt use UUIDs by default myself |
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| 11:29.33 | jelly-home | because they're ugly! |
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| 11:30.00 | jelly-home | luvz his LABELs |
| 11:30.20 | nvz | ugly identifiers need love too.. |
| 11:30.26 | pallgone | where do I put xset, urxvt and such things in debian? |
| 11:30.59 | nvz | pallgone: how to you login to X typically? |
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| 11:32.03 | nvz | pallgone: from a display manager like GDM you can choose "default session" and use ~/.xsession or such, but if you choose "gnome" or such from a DM then you need to setup those commands in your respective DE's startup |
| 11:32.39 | nvz | pallgone: if you do not use a DM, ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession would work I suppose |
| 11:32.59 | wols_ | nvz: .xinitrc? |
| 11:33.13 | massmc | wols_, tried ultravnc, same issue |
| 11:33.15 | nvz | wols_: yeah its read by xinit, duh.. |
| 11:33.17 | nvz | heh |
| 11:34.27 | nvz | to be safe ~/.xsession is read by most everything.. but in the case of display managers they only read it if you use "default" in the session menu |
| 11:34.39 | wols_ | massmc: used vino in gnome? |
| 11:34.45 | pallgone | I'm using xmonad and and use startx to run it |
| 11:34.49 | nvz | in which case you also need "gnome-session" or "startkde" in there or whatever you use |
| 11:35.07 | massmc | never used vino, what is it wols_ |
| 11:35.08 | pallgone | I've configured xmonad to get started with dpkg-reconfigure etc. |
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| 11:35.22 | nvz | pallgone: well startx reads virtually all known xsession files... as you could tell by looking at the script |
| 11:35.54 | pallgone | so there is not .xinitrc and I quite like the dpkg-reconfigure so I can choose with debian what wm is started |
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| 11:36.45 | pallgone | hence I would like to know how I can add some programs without disturbing that |
| 11:36.52 | pallgone | or xset etc. |
| 11:36.53 | nvz | pallgone: yes, startx reads .xinitrc |
| 11:37.09 | nvz | pallgone: read the script.. /usr/bin/startx |
| 11:37.27 | wols_ | massmc: why don't you look? |
| 11:37.29 | pallgone | yes, but won't it override what debian does? |
| 11:37.41 | pallgone | nvz: hmm... I can try... |
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| 11:38.15 | pallgone | nvz: so I just put xset etc there but don't start the wm |
| 11:38.37 | nvz | pallgone: then you need to put the wm in there as well |
| 11:38.59 | nvz | pallgone: all things need to be backgrounded with & after them except for the last one, which should be your wm |
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| 11:39.17 | nvz | pallgone: because whatever is the foreground app will be your session.. and when that process dies, so does X |
| 11:39.33 | nvz | pallgone: xset need not really be backgrounded cause it will do its job and exit |
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| 11:42.33 | pallgone | nvz: ah... found a nice doc: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch07.en.html |
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| 11:42.43 | nvz | pallgone: you could also change the default client in the startx script |
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| 11:43.35 | nvz | pallgone: yes, 7.5.2 and 7.5.3 explain this stuff.. |
| 11:43.51 | nvz | pallgone: but the way you were doing it still works too |
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| 11:45.47 | nvz | pallgone: see also man xinit, because startx IS just a script, and calls xinit anyhow |
| 11:46.01 | nvz | that manpage tells you which configs xinit looks at |
| 11:46.03 | pallgone | oh I found what I used to change from dwm to xmonad: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 11:46.27 | nvz | I've never seen xmonad, I'm a tad curious |
| 11:47.16 | nvz | looks like a poor mans ion to me |
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| 11:47.32 | pallgone | lol... might be... never used ion |
| 11:48.06 | nvz | ion3 is the latest package in stable I believe |
| 11:48.06 | pallgone | it's haskell madness :) |
| 11:48.21 | nvz | yeah ion uses Lua for internal scripting |
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| 11:48.59 | nvz | I still use sawfish. Seems development has somewhat resumed.. |
| 11:49.34 | nvz | though its still at 1.3.3 in debian it seems |
| 11:49.37 | nvz | !info sawfish |
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| 11:49.49 | wols_ | ,versions sawfish |
| 11:49.50 | nvz | wonder if 1.6 is even in sid.. |
| 11:49.50 | judd | sawfish -- etch: 1:1.3+cvs20061004-1; lenny: 1:1.3.3-1; squeeze: 1:1.3.5.2-1; sid: 1:1.5.3-2 |
| 11:50.04 | nvz | ah.. 1.5 at least someone is making an effort |
| 11:50.12 | dpkg | sawfish: (a window manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 277 kB, Installed size: 1076 kB |
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| 11:50.34 | nvz | wols_: that bot is quick with that stuff.. |
| 11:51.40 | nvz | sawfish's main problem was that development kinda halted there for awhile and it never got up to speed with modern desktop standards for things like EWMH and themeablity |
| 11:52.01 | nvz | oh and that its coded in an obscure lisp dialect.. haha |
| 11:52.14 | nvz | I f'n love it though.. |
| 11:53.31 | wols_ | judd is written in python, dpkg is written in perl... take your own conclusions :P |
| 11:54.03 | themill | that has nothing to do with it actually.... judd has all the data predownloaded and in a postgres database. dpkg goes off to fetch it for you when you ask for it |
| 11:54.11 | nvz | well does judd actually update its cache everytime you ask it something like dpkg though? |
| 11:54.19 | nvz | buttons his lip |
| 11:54.30 | wols_ | themill: shush! don't let facts stand in the way of some good flame war. sheeesh |
| 11:54.36 | nvz | haha |
| 11:54.57 | nvz | yeah I think its coding style not language that is the cause of this |
| 11:55.32 | wols_ | s/coding style/algorithm/ |
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| 11:55.43 | nvz | blootbot really needs to just update its package cache periodically and not on-demand |
| 11:56.49 | Laberkopf | okay. i found the source i think |
| 11:57.28 | Laberkopf | the sencond pciexpress device has made lotÅ of errors while booting elive |
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| 12:01.39 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it possible to set font size in the tty ? They appear way too tiny, and are barely readable on my box |
| 12:02.08 | lord_rob | I tried linux vga=... but no success |
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| 12:03.01 | nvz | lord_rob: well if you do not use framebuffer you need a hack like svgatextmode |
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| 12:03.50 | nvz | gotta exercize caution with that though, it IS a crude hack.. heh |
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| 12:05.27 | nvz | waves to dpkg |
| 12:05.31 | BorisK | Hallo, kann mir jemand bitte sagen was bei Firefox in der "about:config" als Standard wert bei "general.useragent.override" drinsteht? |
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| 12:05.43 | nvz | BorisK: #debian.de |
| 12:05.51 | nvz | we speak the english here |
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| 12:05.55 | wols_ | lord_rob: man consolechars |
| 12:05.58 | BorisK | nvz, sry it was an amsg |
| 12:05.59 | BorisK | .. |
| 12:06.10 | nvz | BorisK: ah.. thats not a good idea. |
| 12:06.23 | BorisK | nvz, ok sorry :( |
| 12:06.33 | nvz | dpkg, wb |
| 12:06.33 | dpkg | thanks, nvz. It's good to be back. |
| 12:06.42 | pallgone | nvz: I think I found what does what I want > .xsessionrc |
| 12:06.50 | wols_ | nvz: we _try_ to speak the english here |
| 12:07.02 | nvz | pallgone: yeah.. that does it without messing with anything else |
| 12:07.19 | nvz | pallgone: you must either read slow or went out for coffee |
| 12:07.47 | nvz | !yinzersmite wols_ |
| 12:07.47 | dpkg | rilly wisht wols_ conjagated sharn once in awhile. |
| 12:08.13 | nvz | dpkg, now yer talkin my language.. |
| 12:08.14 | dpkg | nvz: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 12:09.15 | nvz | I wonder who the hell made the wise assed decision to make all x-terminal-emulators white in recent years by default |
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| 12:09.40 | nvz | that yellow highlight on white hurts my eyes.. hell even black on white is pretty painful |
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| 12:10.11 | pallgone | nvz: oh I'm configuring lots of stuff at the same time :) |
| 12:10.58 | pallgone | nvz: just loaded squeeze on my new old laptop today |
| 12:11.03 | nvz | changes his terminal emulator back to black like a sane person |
| 12:11.58 | nvz | pallgone: hows that going? there were too many things broken or otherwise changed in a undelightful way in squeeze for me to use on this machine once I decided I actually wanted to DO things on it.. |
| 12:12.24 | nvz | I need to find a place I CAN install it though. So I don't have to bitch after the fact when it releases with all these problems |
| 12:12.55 | nvz | I think the netbook might be a better place for squeeze in my case |
| 12:13.25 | pallgone | actually it's working quite well... I've tried frugalware yesterday and it was a pain |
| 12:14.00 | pallgone | I would have chosen lenny but the hardware needs a bit a more recent kernel |
| 12:14.01 | nvz | I thought about doing it in vbox but not only does that tend to make phantom problems appear, running in a VM, but it also means that I won't notice as many bugs as I would running it full-time |
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| 12:14.29 | nvz | pallgone: could you not even get lenny to install? |
| 12:14.41 | nvz | pallgone: cause you can always get a newer kernel afterwards |
| 12:15.05 | nvz | you can't however magically fix all the problems in testing/unstable or downgrade afterwards |
| 12:15.08 | pallgone | nvz: I didn't try... I thought squeeze might do the trick with the least work :) and it looks as I was right |
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| 12:16.10 | nvz | pallgone: well if you are familiar with the BTS and resolving issues, then its a good thing we have one more user on squeeze.. but if not, you're just being a pain in our and your own ass.. heh |
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| 12:17.39 | pallgone | nvz: let me see... sound is working, gfx as well, nxclient, xmonad, urxvt, mpd, conkeror... even resuming works... I can't even report any bugs :) |
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| 12:17.59 | userrlc | hi, I've problem with policykit, when i plug usb storage they mount under the user profil desktop with root id... so I can't unmount or write on them. How can I allow current user session to get full access on the device ? |
| 12:18.23 | pallgone | nvz: oh yeah... and wifi is ok too |
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| 12:24.24 | lord_rob | thanks wols_ and nvz |
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| 12:27.54 | nvz | pallgone: well thats the fun of testing/unstable, works today, broken tomorrow. :-P |
| 12:28.42 | pallgone | nvz: no problem... I'm used to that kind of stuff... been on archlinux for some time |
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| 12:29.19 | Devastator | nvz that's indeed the squeeze definition :D |
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| 12:29.46 | lord_rob | pallgone: apt-listbugs is your friend ;-) |
| 12:30.13 | nvz | yeah apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are cool |
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| 12:31.18 | pallgone | lord_rob: not too soon hopefully ;) |
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| 12:33.32 | lord_rob | isn't it possible to disable frame buffer completely while keeping X ? |
| 12:33.46 | pallgone | I doubt that squeeze can be more painful than archlinux... I'm sick of archlinux... 500mb of updates in like 1 or two weeks |
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| 12:34.30 | pallgone | a new kernel like every 3 days or something |
| 12:34.30 | lord_rob | same for sid sometimes :) |
| 12:35.35 | pallgone | when is squeeze going to be frozen? |
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| 12:36.02 | themill | pallgone: when you've fixed enough bugs |
| 12:36.15 | lord_rob | !wir |
| 12:36.15 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 12:36.54 | pallgone | oh... I'm not waiting for it... I'm thought there might be a date or something |
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| 12:37.50 | nvz | pallgone: nope, there is however a list of release-critical bugs, so the quicker you squish em, the quicker it releases |
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| 12:38.51 | pallgone | I'm fine with how it is working atm, and if bugs show up I'll "sqish em" :) |
| 12:39.29 | lord_rob | well it's better when it's not frozen, new packages come in :) |
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| 12:39.46 | Devastator | pallgone ubuntu has a date for releasing, debian waits until it gets stable enough |
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| 12:40.00 | Devastator | lord_rob and come out :D |
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| 12:40.17 | lord_rob | :) |
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| 12:40.37 | Devastator | right now I have 2 packages that can't be updated.. |
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| 12:40.44 | Devastator | gcj and gcj something |
| 12:41.02 | lord_rob | yes so it's not small packages |
| 12:41.03 | themill | lord_rob: which is why it's important for everyone that lots of bugs get fixes sooner rather than later |
| 12:41.58 | lord_rob | 'fcourse |
| 12:42.04 | pallgone | Devastator: oh, ubuntu... I just say: Ubuntu Certified Professional - enough? |
| 12:42.28 | Devastator | probably :P |
| 12:43.04 | Devastator | themill is ubuntu community fixing bugs faster than debian or something like that? |
| 12:43.42 | nvz | I wonder why the hell synergy will let me copy something from one machine and paste it only in certain places on the other. Its weird. Like if I wanna copy a link on here, and goto it on the other box, I can middle click in IW and it goes, but if I try middle click in my facebook "share" box to share the link, it wont work unless I first paste it somewhere else then copy it again on that machine |
| 12:43.48 | themill | Devastator: umm.... that's not the way I'd put it. |
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| 12:44.25 | nvz | its not a big deal, cause copy/paste works, and I know how to work around it.. but its definately strange |
| 12:44.52 | Devastator | themill I know.. but I understood, I'm only asking because according to distrowatch, debian is not #1 anymore :( |
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| 12:46.48 | nvz | I love debian. I'm such a hardcore debian fanatic, I bleed in swirls.. I also think everyone should have the opportunity to use and love debian, I however do NOT care if its #1 or if everyone DOES use it, because I know how many people are STUPID, and I really rather not have to deal with more of THOSE people HERE. heh |
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| 12:47.08 | nvz | this is why I also love Ubuntu, Knoppix, etc.. |
| 12:47.12 | nvz | cause they get the tards |
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| 12:47.18 | Riviera | Thanks. |
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| 12:47.23 | Space_Ace | Hi: I purchased a modem/router, not working under linux (lenny) ... I'm told that I should set eth0 to act as a dhcp, and this is done in /etc/network interfaces, is this right? |
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| 12:47.30 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 12:47.38 | wols_ | Space_Ace: yes |
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| 12:47.53 | wols_ | Space_Ace: this (dhcp) is also the default |
| 12:48.06 | pallgone | Space_Ace: "not working" meaning what? |
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| 12:48.31 | dury | someone could recommend me a nice laptop to run the lastest debian release. please? |
| 12:49.05 | dury | lenovo laptops |
| 12:49.22 | Space_Ace | Excellent: I tried to do it manually, but it didn't work. I then noticed I made a typo error ('ifaca' instead of 'iface'); apart from this, ifs the syntax right? http://paste.debian.net/61695/ |
| 12:49.38 | lord_rob | IBM rocked befire, I don't know nowadays |
| 12:50.04 | wols_ | Space_Ace: if you have a router, this is wrong |
| 12:50.33 | Space_Ace | Yes, this is the case |
| 12:50.51 | wols_ | as I said: you did it wrong. there is no reason for you to use pppo3 |
| 12:50.55 | dury | lord_rob: lenovo.. is it good for debian |
| 12:51.37 | dury | wols_: what's your opinion? |
| 12:51.47 | wols_ | dury: we don't do hardware advice |
| 12:52.00 | wols_ | Space_Ace: your eth0 lines are wrong too |
| 12:52.12 | dury | wols_: ok |
| 12:52.13 | wols_ | Space_Ace: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:52.14 | lord_rob | dury: have a look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 12:52.15 | nvz | dury: I did a Lenovo T61 thinkpad recently, worked beautifully in debian |
| 12:52.52 | themill | !laptops |
| 12:52.53 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 12:53.04 | Space_Ace | wols_: I know: it doesn't work, in fact, but I am no wiz, so I can only proceed by trial & error (I tried to understand man interfaces, but without much success, obviously) |
| 12:53.05 | nvz | dury: the nvidia gfx in it were not listed as supported by the nvidia drivers (the website for nvidia said the card was not supported at all on linux) but it worked perfectly with 3d support and all |
| 12:53.13 | lord_rob | my R52 worked very well under debian until the screen stopped working, but it's not debian fault :) |
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| 12:53.52 | wols_ | Space_Ace: the default debian install did exactly what you want. so why did you change it? |
| 12:55.07 | wols_ | Space_Ace: have you edited it now like I told you above |
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| 12:56.34 | Space_Ace | ok, I purchased a ADSL2+ modem/router to substitute my ADSL modem; as I plugged all the cables in, booted, the network is unreachable (ping 192.168.0.1, the supposed router address). I set it to work via windows, which I have in dual boot |
| 12:57.03 | wols_ | Space_Ace: remove your ppp shit. and do what I told you above |
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| 12:58.51 | Space_Ace | wols_: Like this http://paste.debian.net/61696/ ? |
| 12:58.53 | wols_ | Space_Ace: with ppp shit, I mean ppp package(s) |
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| 12:59.19 | wols_ | no I don't. auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:59.40 | Devastator | remove "iface eth0 inet manual" line |
| 12:59.51 | pallgone | nvz: I must say that the squeeze installer is very good, stands out compared to the other crap I've seen |
| 13:00.05 | wols_ | pallgone: it's anaconda |
| 13:00.18 | Devastator | also you have two "auto eth0" lines, remove the last one and uncomment the first one |
| 13:01.21 | Space_Ace | http://paste.debian.net/61699/ |
| 13:01.34 | Devastator | also you have two "auto eth0" lines, remove the last one and uncomment the first one |
| 13:01.36 | wols_ | Devastator: it doesn't matter where the line is. the auto line is fine, the eth0 stuff is totally bogus |
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| 13:01.58 | Devastator | wols_ yes, I know, but this keeps the file more organised |
| 13:02.14 | wols_ | Space_Ace: make sure ppp is NOT running. then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:02.16 | Devastator | s/organised/organized |
| 13:02.34 | wols_ | Space_Ace: in fact, UNINSTALL your ppp and pppoe |
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| 13:03.57 | Space_Ace | So the "auto eth0" should preceed the " iface eth0 inet dhcp" line |
| 13:04.23 | Devastator | Space_Ace no |
| 13:04.27 | Devastator | doesn't matter |
| 13:04.31 | Space_Ace | plus how can I suppress the ppp? |
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| 13:04.42 | Devastator | Space_Ace removing its packages |
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| 13:05.04 | wols_ | Space_Ace: i'm spoonfeeding you and you still don't know what to do? |
| 13:05.05 | Space_Ace | such as with aptitude? |
| 13:05.18 | Devastator | Space_Ace yes |
| 13:05.22 | Devastator | preferably |
| 13:05.46 | Space_Ace | right |
| 13:05.49 | pallgone | wols_: do you need to get upset? |
| 13:06.04 | pallgone | wols_: just don't help if you don't want |
| 13:06.06 | dury | bbl |
| 13:06.40 | Space_Ace | ok guys, thanks so much for helping. Problem is I'm NOT an IT professional |
| 13:07.03 | Devastator | Space_Ace doesn't need to be, just follow our directions |
| 13:07.10 | pallgone | Space_Ace: so... does it work? |
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| 13:07.58 | Space_Ace | I do it as a hobby - and when it comes to configuring network devices . I'm lost, or, if you prefer, with linux I'm a fair weather sailor |
| 13:08.39 | Space_Ace | pallgone: no idea, I must restart and boot into lenny try it and cross fingers |
| 13:08.51 | wols_ | you ignoring advice and such like yesterday doesn't help tho |
| 13:09.02 | Devastator | Space_Ace you don't need to restart |
| 13:09.13 | wols_ | Devastator: he does. he's in windows right now |
| 13:09.14 | Devastator | Space_Ace /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:09.16 | pallgone | funny thing is... this laptop came with windows 2000 installed and it has an xp license sticker... you know what? I wiped it all away... I can't stand windows... don't even want to have it for free |
| 13:09.17 | Devastator | hum |
| 13:09.25 | Devastator | in that case.. |
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| 13:12.12 | maligor | Space_Ace, being a professional just means you get paid to do it, nothing else :P |
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| 13:12.29 | maligor | plenty of hobbyists are experienced |
| 13:12.31 | Space_Ace | Well, the hardware is windows friendly, in general. Some peripherals need so much tweaking that one is tempted to chunk them away. Unfortunately nowadays In'm not wallowing in money, so ... |
| 13:12.50 | Space_Ace | maligor: exactly, it's a hell of a difference, though |
| 13:13.07 | maligor | no, there's lots of IT people who don't know what they're doing |
| 13:13.37 | llutz | but they were stil well payed (the better, the dumb) |
| 13:13.44 | Space_Ace | Like in any field |
| 13:14.14 | Space_Ace | Mega - bosses, then, are the dumbest |
| 13:14.48 | Space_Ace | only they have an incredible ability to reach, handle and mantain the power |
| 13:15.23 | Space_Ace | At least here (I'm in Italy), this is the norm |
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| 13:16.54 | Space_Ace | Anyway, coming back to my little problem, should I uninstall the ppp stuff immediately, or would the router work anyway? |
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| 13:17.13 | pallgone | most people I know from the IT business are neither intelligent nor good at what they do |
| 13:17.23 | wols_ | you should uninstall immediately |
| 13:17.43 | wols_ | and after that restart your network as I told you above |
| 13:18.45 | Space_Ace | pallgone: in any organised corporation the individuals proceed in their careers until they hit the roof of their incompetence |
| 13:18.58 | Space_Ace | anyway, off I go |
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| 13:21.13 | pallgone | mmh... the roof of the other people's incompetence maybe... |
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| 13:22.21 | xingu | it's called the peter principal, and it's a sign that the owners of the business are so far removed from it they're getting robbed blind by their own stewards. |
| 13:22.28 | eviltoasterLIA | how do i make terminal text smaller? |
| 13:22.37 | eviltoasterLIA | no gui at all |
| 13:22.46 | JPT | hm... |
| 13:22.47 | xingu | s/pal/ple/ |
| 13:23.07 | JPT | eviltoasterLIA: you are looking for vga= kernel bootoptions, aren't you?:) |
| 13:23.20 | wols_ | eviltoasterLIA: xterm or console? |
| 13:23.34 | eviltoasterLIA | JPT, maybe |
| 13:23.38 | eviltoasterLIA | wols_, console |
| 13:23.42 | JPT | i'm pretty sure you are^^ |
| 13:23.46 | wols_ | eviltoasterLIA: man consolechars |
| 13:23.52 | eviltoasterLIA | hm ty |
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| 13:28.46 | damogar | hello. I want to install an irc server. Which is the best option? |
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| 13:28.58 | wols_ | !best |
| 13:28.59 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:29.05 | overmind | damogar: You can use dancer or hybrid, as you want |
| 13:29.25 | damogar | overmind: Do they have nickserv? |
| 13:29.47 | overmind | damogar: NickServ is a service, not an ircd, you need to install dancer-services or hybrserv |
| 13:30.01 | damogar | overmind: ok, thanks |
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| 13:30.23 | johni | damogar, why do you want an irc server? there are better options out there. |
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| 13:30.58 | damogar | johni: It's for my school |
| 13:31.16 | qwd | A question for sid users. Do you also experience crashing when closing tabs in Iceweasel? |
| 13:31.25 | damogar | johni: Which are the other options? |
| 13:31.38 | overmind | damogar: freenode, oftc... |
| 13:32.40 | johni | damogar, have you thought about openfire? |
| 13:32.55 | qwd | I seem to have found a workaround for the bug until they fix it. Go to a new adress before closing it (or it should be alright if you didn't click links). If you click a link and go back and then close it it will crash. |
| 13:32.58 | Dave2 | Regardless of anything else, I'd strongly advise against using Dancer for anything. |
| 13:33.20 | damogar | johni: no, what is it? |
| 13:33.27 | overmind | Dave2: He should use hyperion xD |
| 13:33.30 | wols_ | damogar: is tehr a seven deb somewhere? |
| 13:33.48 | damogar | wols_: what? |
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| 13:34.13 | overmind | Enought |
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| 13:34.31 | johni | damogar, openfire is an XMPP server (same protocol as gtalk) - http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp |
| 13:34.35 | wols_ | dave2: is tehr a seven deb somewhere? |
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| 13:35.03 | Dave2 | overmind, I think not |
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| 13:35.17 | overmind | Dave2: It was a joke, obviusly not |
| 13:35.17 | qwd | johni: same protocol as facebook chat too nowadays :) |
| 13:35.17 | Dave2 | wols_, not to my knowledge. Someone could always make one. |
| 13:35.19 | damogar | johni: so users have to use an im client, isn't it? |
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| 13:35.58 | jpinx-eeepc | damogar: irssi with bitlbee will probably do it |
| 13:36.05 | qwd | damogar: they could use it via meebo.com or a similar web service. |
| 13:36.07 | johni | damogar, correct, you need an im client |
| 13:36.23 | damogar | johni: I preffere an irc server |
| 13:36.38 | johni | qwd, does meebo let you connection to private XMPP servers? |
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| 13:37.06 | qwd | johni: oh, don't know about that, only ever used public ones. |
| 13:37.13 | jpinx-eeepc | johni: bitlbee has a server that will do that |
| 13:37.20 | johni | damogar, with openfire you can force people to authenticate, which is a nice feature to have |
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| 13:37.52 | damogar | johni: yes, but I lose the concept of room |
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| 13:38.26 | jpinx-eeepc | damogar: you're not listening! irssi and bitlbee |
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| 13:38.33 | johni | jpinx-eeepc, well almost all the open source im client let you connect to private XMPP servers if they have XMPP support |
| 13:39.14 | johni | damogar, that is not true, you have rooms in XMPP and you can manage them better afaik |
| 13:39.16 | jpinx-eeepc | johni: true - but he seems to want it like irc - hence my suggestion of bitlbee |
| 13:39.30 | damogar | johni: ok, i'll try it |
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| 13:40.17 | johni | damogar, I suggest you take a look at it, it might not fit your needs at all but it is worth exploring some alternatives to plain irc. |
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| 13:41.32 | damogar | johni: maybe not. Maybe too much load for the server |
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| 13:54.26 | optw | USE WINDOWS |
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| 13:54.48 | nvz | haha, f'n moron.. thats what using windows gets ya.. |
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| 14:10.03 | azorb | http://www.theviralscript.com?id=3nfv45uhihvz7ulahmir5ftd4jainb |
| 14:10.08 | azorb | oops sorry - wrong window |
| 14:10.12 | azorb | don't click that |
| 14:10.26 | llutz | azorb: stop that stupid oops |
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| 14:11.05 | azorb | I love your work on 30 rock however. |
| 14:11.05 | llutz | azorb: like in all other channels you're spamming this link |
| 14:11.20 | wols_ | !ops azorb is a MLM spammer |
| 14:11.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: azorb is a MLM spammer |
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| 14:11.43 | azorb | Lies! |
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| 14:25.48 | The_Miso | Hi everyone. I'm trying to get a ps/2 barcode scanner to work on my debian lenny system. Before I installed KDE, the system recognized it as a keyboard and put it under /dev/input/by-path/foobar - but since I installed KDE and rebooted, it's gone. I'd love to help myself, I just don't really know where to start searching for the problem. Does anyone have any idea or similar experience with ps/2 devices? The scanner basically behaves like a |
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| 14:27.36 | macrobat | hello, what's the app called that lets you alt-tab over workspaces in gnome? i dont think it was in the repos |
| 14:29.37 | macrobat | The_Miso: i dont know, i guess hal and udev |
| 14:30.53 | The_Miso | I just found a boot parameter, that might do the trick: i8042.nopnp |
| 14:30.57 | The_Miso | Testing right now |
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| 14:37.03 | The_Miso | hm - sadly it didnt |
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| 14:44.06 | macrobat | if it was recognized in gnome or with an older kernel, run it and see what modules are loaded when using the scanner |
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| 14:45.20 | pusst | hi everyone, i have a problem using the lux? disc encryption from the installer |
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| 14:46.13 | pusst | i have my disc labeled as 'sda' during intital install and configuration. but when i inserted more discs it was renamed to sdg |
| 14:46.18 | taras | what can be problem? http://pastebin.com/jcwzaCc9 |
| 14:46.32 | taras | iptables-save doesn't work |
| 14:46.39 | taras | running lenny |
| 14:47.12 | pusst | j have tried to update /etc/crypttab and done a upgrade-initparam but still i am unable to unlock my bootdisc |
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| 14:49.24 | Iranian | Is business card-size debian, able to boot etc? |
| 14:49.29 | Iranian | does it has any function? |
| 14:49.35 | Iranian | Or will it only download the rest? |
| 14:49.53 | wols_ | it will only download the basefiles |
| 14:49.56 | wols_ | but it can boot |
| 14:49.58 | obcecado | having an image which is unable to boot is... |
| 14:50.01 | The_Miso | macrobat: before, I didnt have a gui installed |
| 14:50.09 | The_Miso | And it's the same kernel |
| 14:50.32 | Iranian | netinst is the same only bigger? |
| 14:50.33 | wols_ | The_Miso: it's probably something along the lines of HAL, udev, dbus or so |
| 14:50.41 | The_Miso | Guess so too |
| 14:50.51 | wols_ | Iranian: netinst is a full, but sparse debian. businesscard is not |
| 14:50.58 | The_Miso | the kde installation rewrote the initrd.img tho |
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| 14:51.21 | Iranian | wols_l, so it has GUI etc? |
| 14:51.31 | Iranian | wols_, I could surfe internet, write letter etc on it? |
| 14:51.35 | themill | The_Miso: KDE won't have... but you may have installed other things at the same time. What precisely did you do? |
| 14:51.49 | The_Miso | apt-get install kde |
| 14:51.58 | The_Miso | of course, there was a load of stuff coming with it |
| 14:52.07 | wols_ | Iranian: potentially yes, if you like telnet and vi. but get CD1 instead |
| 14:52.20 | The_Miso | but I still have the old initrd.img as a bak file |
| 14:52.26 | The_Miso | I'll try booting it |
| 14:52.32 | themill | The_Miso: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy kde libc6 dpkg" for us? |
| 14:52.37 | The_Miso | sure |
| 14:53.01 | taras | can anyone help with this iptables-save problem? http://pastebin.com/jcwzaCc9 |
| 14:53.32 | Iranian | wols_, ok |
| 14:53.35 | themill | The_Miso: do you have a record of all the packages it installed? (aptitude keeps good logs... another reason why you should use aptitude not apt-get) |
| 14:53.46 | The_Miso | http://paste.debian.net/61710/ |
| 14:53.55 | The_Miso | yeah, using apt-get is just a bad habit |
| 14:54.10 | The_Miso | Does apt-get log somewhere? |
| 14:54.16 | The_Miso | I didnt log it myself |
| 14:54.29 | wols_ | The_Miso: /var/log/dpkg.log does log |
| 14:54.37 | themill | The_Miso: dpkg keeps logs but they'd not that easy to read. |
| 14:54.56 | themill | The_Miso: that pastebin looks fine -- I was just worried that you'd mixed in kde4 from testing or something. |
| 14:55.14 | The_Miso | oh, no - didnt add any sources |
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| 14:56.50 | abrotman | taras: uname -r |
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| 14:57.30 | The_Miso | http://paste.debian.net/61711/ |
| 14:57.44 | The_Miso | That's basically what came with apt-get install kde |
| 14:58.08 | mETz | Hello |
| 14:58.14 | The_Miso | should I try booting the old initram.img? |
| 14:58.45 | mETz | I'm having a problem with using reprepro together with pbuilder/cowbuilder |
| 14:59.26 | mETz | building for two archs generates the arch-indep packages twice resulting in different checksums in the changes files |
| 15:00.17 | mETz | reprepro of course does not like that |
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| 15:00.18 | mETz | so what's the best way to build packages for all, i386 and amd64 for easy inclusion into a reprepro managed repository? |
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| 15:00.26 | Iranian | Any easy way to connect you Debian to use modem for internet? |
| 15:00.36 | Iranian | I'm using a VAIO laptop. |
| 15:01.00 | The_Miso | booted the old initram.img - no change |
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| 15:01.14 | themill | mETz: only build the arch-dependent targets the second time around (see the --binary-arch option to pbuilder) |
| 15:01.36 | mETz | ok, guessed so already |
| 15:01.44 | mETz | I'll have a look of how to automate all this |
| 15:02.19 | mETz | right now I create source packages using dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa followed by two cowbuilder runs and manual *.changes signing afterwards |
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| 15:02.25 | themill | The_Miso: I don't understand how your "apt-get install kde" caused xserver-xorg-core to be installed, esp since you already had gnome installed. |
| 15:02.25 | mETz | way too error prone :) |
| 15:02.58 | The_Miso | no - didnt have gnome installed |
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| 15:03.48 | themill | The_Miso: oh, I thought you said you did. So how had you been using this barcode reader? |
| 15:03.55 | The_Miso | on the command line |
| 15:04.08 | The_Miso | I just started this project |
| 15:04.34 | themill | ahh... you probably need to tell X to use it as a keyboard |
| 15:04.50 | The_Miso | but shouldnt it still work on the command line? |
| 15:05.05 | The_Miso | If I alt+F1 to a shell, it doesnt work either |
| 15:05.13 | themill | well... yes... |
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| 15:05.30 | The_Miso | It's not in /dev anymore, that's why I'm wondering |
| 15:05.53 | The_Miso | or at least it's not where it used to be |
| 15:06.10 | The_Miso | maybe it addresses differently or something - I'm not entirely sure how to look for it |
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| 15:07.03 | The_Miso | Is there a command to list all devices sorted by connector, or something? |
| 15:07.05 | pusst | any1 able to help me with my boot prob? |
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| 15:10.29 | PinkFreud | The_Miso: depends on how its connected |
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| 15:16.47 | xand | The_Miso: ps/2 barcode readers usually work as a keyboard |
| 15:16.56 | xand | as far as the PC is concerned |
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| 15:27.29 | The_Miso | mine is also |
| 15:27.40 | taras | abrotman: 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 15:27.50 | The_Miso | I just don't understand why it's not showing up in my /dev |
| 15:27.59 | The_Miso | I'll try hooking up a keyboard to ps2 - see if that shows up |
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| 15:37.13 | The_Miso | 6h |
| 15:37.16 | The_Miso | oh |
| 15:37.20 | The_Miso | thats interesting |
| 15:37.29 | The_Miso | if i keep a keyboard connected behind the scanner - it works |
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| 15:42.19 | ghort | bonsoir |
| 15:42.33 | ghort | j'ai une petite question concernant l'installation de wicd |
| 15:42.44 | ghort | si une âme charitable .... |
| 15:43.14 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:43.14 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:43.42 | ghort | oups sorry |
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| 15:46.17 | riot | hmm, my cpu seems to ignore userspace-cpu-frequency governing and setting it to low using echo 1632000 > scaling_setspeed :( |
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| 15:54.28 | hyperutz | i need some help regarding pptpd...my connexion from a Win XP box isn;t stable...it drops after aprox 1 min...anyone who can help ? |
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| 15:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | hyperutz: Does it work properly during that minute, or is it dropping becaus the keepalive ping is failing? |
| 15:59.46 | hyperutz | yes it works i can access my samba shared directories |
| 15:59.55 | hyperutz | but it drops after 40s 50s |
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| 16:01.17 | hyperutz | not it dropped after 1min 30s |
| 16:01.22 | hyperutz | now it dropped after 1min 30s |
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| 16:03.12 | SimManiac | hi |
| 16:03.44 | xlotlu | onjoin err.. something that's not spam |
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| 16:04.08 | hyperutz | jhutchins_lt, any ideea? |
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| 16:04.32 | jhutchins_lt | hyperutz: Logs. |
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| 16:04.44 | jhutchins_lt | Which is the host computer? |
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| 16:06.47 | hyperutz | where does pptpd log? |
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| 16:11.47 | hyperutz | jhutchins_lt, the connexion drops only when accessing samba share.. |
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| 16:13.23 | lolufail | hi! |
| 16:13.25 | lyker | " gem update --system " is disabled on debian, I need gem v1.3.6 how can current 1.2 to be updated then? |
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| 16:14.07 | lolufail | my only cronjob isnt executed... any clues? |
| 16:14.07 | lolufail | host:~# crontab -l |
| 16:14.07 | lolufail | 30 04 * * * vzdump --snapshot --compress --stdexcludes --storage backup --bwlimit 999999 --script /usr/local/bin/hook.sh 133 134 135 136 137 158 |
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| 16:17.29 | abrotman | vzdump isn't in your path ? |
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| 16:17.48 | lolufail | abrotman: it is |
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| 16:17.53 | lolufail | this is as root |
| 16:18.08 | abrotman | lolufail: not *your* path .. the path that cron has .. use the full path to the binary |
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| 16:19.21 | lolufail | abrotman: *trying* |
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| 16:21.08 | lolufail | abrotman: lol thx |
| 16:21.17 | lolufail | abrotman: worked |
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| 16:31.58 | hyperutz | how can i add pptpd to syslog? |
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| 16:35.11 | acu | does anyone know when Squeeze will enter freeze ? |
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| 16:36.33 | sshc | acu: when it receives the cold touch of no more new features |
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| 16:37.29 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 16:37.29 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 16:39.04 | qwd | !siyh |
| 16:39.04 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 16:45.52 | acu | sshc and abrotman thanks - so it seems that we can bet for April to Squeeze the freeze :) |
| 16:46.10 | themill | acu: sooner if you go and fix some bugs. /msg dpkg rc-alert |
| 16:46.36 | abrotman | acu: bet all you want ... it won't happen til it's good and ready |
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| 16:47.43 | marcus_ | hi. i am trying to install a lenny from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ images |
| 16:47.56 | marcus_ | but it always leads to a testing system |
| 16:48.16 | bvk | hi, is it possible to get powerpc/sparc/mips debian running on i386 box using qemu? |
| 16:48.16 | marcus_ | is there a way to force d-i to install lenny instead of testing? |
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| 16:48.43 | bvk | any pointers? |
| 16:49.00 | abrotman | bvk: isn't there a qemu-mips etc ? |
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| 16:50.45 | bvk | can i run chroot environment using qemu-mips? |
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| 16:51.45 | bvk | abrotman: basically, i need to build grub2 package for powerpc |
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| 16:52.09 | bvk | abrotman: cross-compiler from emdebian repo seems to be broken :( |
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| 16:54.35 | wols_ | bvk: you need a chroot which execectures mips code to compile a grub2 for powerpc? |
| 16:55.30 | bvk | wols_: no, no any _one_ of mips/powerpc/sparc chroot would do |
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| 16:56.34 | bvk | wols_: i have only i386 machine, and i want to build grub2 for either powerpc or sparc or mips (any one is okay) |
| 16:57.25 | bvk | wols_: no canedian-cross |
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| 17:03.08 | bvk | okay, got qemu-system-* |
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| 17:07.19 | wols_ | bvk: grub2 doesn't exist for mips apparently, and debian already has it for ppc and sparc |
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| 17:28.38 | Xgamerz | path of .h files ? |
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| 17:30.06 | wols_ | Xgamerz: many are in /usr/include/ but not all. depends on the file. what are you trying to compile? |
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| 17:31.08 | Xgamerz | stdio |
| 17:31.18 | Xgamerz | yes wols_ |
| 17:31.33 | wols_ | that is /usr/include/ |
| 17:32.02 | Xgamerz | ok thks :) |
| 17:32.40 | wols_ | Xgamerz: /msg dpkg build.essential |
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| 17:33.17 | Xgamerz | i can't found in this folder |
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| 17:35.46 | wols_ | !tell Xgamerz about installit |
| 17:36.31 | Xgamerz | how check if libc6-dev installed |
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| 17:36.48 | wols_ | man dpkg. see the -l option |
| 17:37.10 | Xgamerz | ok |
| 17:37.15 | Xgamerz | thks |
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| 17:39.20 | LuciusMare | hi |
| 17:39.41 | LuciusMare | i want to install nvidia drivers, but when installing nvidia-glx, it wants to delete all the xserver* packages |
| 17:40.08 | wols_ | which debian branch and what nvidia drivers exactly? |
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| 17:40.30 | LuciusMare | debian squeeze |
| 17:40.47 | LuciusMare | and, drivers? i have no idea, i ran m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source |
| 17:40.53 | boodie | nick |
| 17:41.06 | wols_ | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 17:41.08 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-1 |
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| 17:42.31 | LuciusMare | So? |
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| 17:43.04 | mrrcp | hey how can i make it so only certian users can use the su - command? |
| 17:43.27 | nvz | mrrcp: hah, are you serious? |
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| 17:44.07 | mrrcp | nvz yea |
| 17:44.07 | nvz | mrrcp: I gotta hear this before I give you any crazy ideas... |
| 17:44.24 | mrrcp | well the server is private |
| 17:44.35 | mrrcp | im just looking around at ideas and diffrent ways to do things |
| 17:44.37 | nvz | my computers are private too |
| 17:44.38 | mrrcp | thats how you learn no? |
| 17:45.01 | nvz | the su command only allows root access if they have the root password in the first place |
| 17:45.09 | PinkFreud | mrrcp: you can set the group of su and change it's mode to 1750 |
| 17:45.11 | nvz | so only users with the root password can use it |
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| 17:45.27 | chaochao | chmod it suid |
| 17:45.29 | nvz | PinkFreud: you're the type to let users screw shit up eh? |
| 17:45.29 | PinkFreud | but, as nvz pointed out, the user needs root access to begin with |
| 17:45.31 | chaochao | solves all ur problems |
| 17:45.41 | LuciusMare | hello? :< |
| 17:45.47 | PinkFreud | nvz: he asked, I answered. |
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| 17:46.16 | mrrcp | chaochao chmod suid ? |
| 17:46.26 | mrrcp | nvz is that a good idea? |
| 17:46.45 | chaochao | was just joking, nvm |
| 17:46.54 | chaochao | i dont se ur problem |
| 17:46.54 | nvz | mrrcp: no, it is not a good idea, and you are trying to tighten up security that is already in place, thats the whole point of the su command in the first place |
| 17:47.06 | chaochao | see* |
| 17:47.25 | mrrcp | k |
| 17:47.37 | nvz | mrrcp: and changing permissions on it unnecesarily doesnt change the fact that people can still login as root, use sudo, or any other way of doing it |
| 17:47.38 | mrrcp | just wondering if i needed to tighten up even more? |
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| 17:48.56 | mrrcp | thanks for the good input |
| 17:49.04 | nvz | mrrcp: you are essentially trying to take the gun powder out of bullets that are locked in a safe.. heh |
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| 17:49.11 | thrashold | Hey, is there an easy way to run a program for 3 minutes? Say, start a new process and send SIGINT after 3 minutes? |
| 17:49.28 | LuciusMare | http://pastebin.com/Kvv5ycFU |
| 17:49.57 | nvz | thrashold: does this program normally run then terminate anyhow? |
| 17:50.16 | LuciusMare | thrashold: sleep 200 &;pkill program ? |
| 17:50.18 | thrashold | I'm running dd for benchmarks :) |
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| 17:50.37 | jamesstanley | Sometimes when I boot my sound card isn't detected |
| 17:50.41 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:50.52 | jamesstanley | And ALSA tries to use my graphics card instead |
| 17:50.54 | PinkFreud | /path/to/foo & sleep $((60 * 3)) ; kill $! |
| 17:51.03 | nvz | wow, you know what.. I'm just gonna leave.. this is madness |
| 17:51.15 | abrotman | PinkFreud: wouldn't $! expand to the sleep ? |
| 17:51.21 | egoleo | hello is anyone running debian server with vhcs and drupal |
| 17:51.24 | LuciusMare | i want to install nvidia drivers, but when installing nvidia-glx, it wants to delete all the xserver* packages - http://pastebin.com/Kvv5ycFU |
| 17:51.24 | jamesstanley | alsaconf used to sort it, but that appears to have been removed a while ago |
| 17:51.26 | nvz | I feel like I'm in a twilight zone where everyones brains were replaced with grapefruits |
| 17:51.30 | PinkFreud | abrotman: hmmm, it might. |
| 17:51.36 | PinkFreud | waves to nvz |
| 17:52.00 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know what to do to make alsa re-scan for graphics crds? |
| 17:52.02 | jamesstanley | *cards |
| 17:52.05 | PinkFreud | /path/to/foo & pid=$! ; sleep $((60 * 3)) ; kill $pid |
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| 17:52.26 | thrashold | PinkFreud: Thanks, the last one will work, I hope. |
| 17:52.35 | jamesstanley | Ah never mind, "alsa force-reload" appears to do it |
| 17:52.37 | thrashold | I was just wodnering if there was a command for it though :) |
| 17:53.06 | PinkFreud | thrashold: the beauty of shells like bash is that you can do just about anything you want. |
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| 17:54.10 | PinkFreud | you can certainly write a script to perform that - in fact, that's all what I pasted is. |
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| 18:00.25 | pappanz | hello |
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| 18:01.50 | pappanz | as I already have pointed out I am unable of configuring a crosscable-based connection between a laptop with windows which receives a wifi signal and an imac g3 which should share the connection. would anyone help me step by step please? |
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| 18:03.13 | wols_ | pappanz: ##windows |
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| 18:03.30 | wols_ | for the debian side, it's simple dhcp, which is used by default |
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| 18:04.54 | jhutchins_lt | pappanz: Windows connection sharing is what you want, but not here. |
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| 18:05.26 | pappanz | jhutchins_lt, wols_ thanks |
| 18:05.47 | dury | hi there channel :) |
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| 18:06.42 | dury | which laptop it will be suitable for lenny 5.0 |
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| 18:07.04 | wols_ | dury: we told you before, we don't do hardware recommendations |
| 18:07.23 | wols_ | !tell dury about laptop |
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| 18:08.42 | nvz | wols_: you're too smart to be here today.. run for your life! |
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| 18:09.38 | nvz | wols_: before you know it you'll be asking me how to stop certain users from running "su -" too.. haha |
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| 18:11.16 | nvz | heads to the disco before someone tries to replace his brain with a grapefruit |
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| 18:12.28 | micols | dury: ibm they generally work well with linux, and centrino speedsteps nicely |
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| 18:13.29 | wols_ | micols: so you tell him to buy 5-6 year old notebooks? good luck finding those |
| 18:13.30 | dury | micols: then lenovo one...don't you think |
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| 18:20.57 | LuciusMare | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=49839 ? |
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| 18:22.08 | wols_ | LuciusMare: learn to find out why it wants to remove your X |
| 18:23.20 | LuciusMare | wols_: how? |
| 18:23.27 | LuciusMare | well, i know already. |
| 18:23.31 | LuciusMare | Dependencies. |
| 18:23.39 | LuciusMare | But that does not help me |
| 18:23.39 | wols_ | good. then why are you asking all the time? |
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| 18:24.35 | jelly-home | micols: however, IBM doesn't manufacture laptops any more |
| 18:24.51 | jelly-home | oh, duplicate, sorry |
| 18:24.56 | wols_ | jelly-home: they never did afaik :) |
| 18:25.18 | jelly-home | wols_: they designed and branded. good enough for me |
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| 18:27.46 | romgo | Hi guys, I've got some trouble with sudo. I setup right for the www-data user to execute a script as the user vmail. I specified the option NOPASSWD but sudo is still asking for the password... |
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| 18:28.20 | romgo | here is my sudo configuration www-data ALL=(vmail) NOPASSWD:/usr/local/bin/postfixadmin-domain-postdeletion.sh |
| 18:28.25 | Tyrant91101 | I'm a linux noob that has recently moved from windows and I was wondering, i have a laptop and when I'm home I plug in an external monitor so what would be the easiest way to set up x/xfce to automatically switch to dual monitors when I plug in the external? |
| 18:28.34 | Tyrant91101 | and then back to single when I unplug it |
| 18:28.56 | linuxjones317 | hello, im using a fresh net install of debian, and am having trouble getting the nvidia vidio card working, when i run the installer from the nvidia website it says that the gcc compiler is not the same one as the kernel was compiled with, and to change the variable to match it, does anyone have any helpful words of advice |
| 18:29.51 | wols_ | linuxjones317: we do not support the nvidia installer. ask ##nvidia |
| 18:30.03 | titan8990 | linuxjones317: need to follow the debian guide for nvidia driver installation |
| 18:30.15 | titan8990 | !tell linuxjones317 about nvidia |
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| 18:30.49 | LuciusMare | wols_: then what should i do? |
| 18:30.56 | LuciusMare | i do not know what to do |
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| 18:31.14 | wols_ | you know what to do. you said so yourself LuciusMare |
| 18:31.21 | LuciusMare | i don't! |
| 18:31.28 | LuciusMare | The dependencies are broken, but what now? |
| 18:31.39 | LuciusMare | I cant fix that the package wants to remove X |
| 18:31.51 | dury | definitivaly Lenovo is uitable for debian... don't you think guys? |
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| 18:32.12 | dury | suitable I mean |
| 18:32.37 | lord_rob | isn't something suitable for the universal operating system ? |
| 18:32.50 | LuciusMare | lord_rob: a calculator |
| 18:33.12 | lord_rob | depends |
| 18:33.13 | wols_ | LuciusMare: you can |
| 18:33.32 | wols_ | lord_rob: far from universal |
| 18:33.34 | pipeline | linuxjones317: don't use the nvidia installer - it will screw things up |
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| 18:33.53 | linuxjones317 | pipeline, alright |
| 18:33.54 | LuciusMare | pipeline: i cant install it even with the module assistant ^^ |
| 18:33.57 | pipeline | linuxjones317: debian packages the nvidia driver and the nvidia kernel source. Broadly speaking, all you have to do is build the kernel source package separately. |
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| 18:34.44 | pipeline | linuxjones317, LuciusMare : here is an appropriate guide http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Buildmanually.2Cwithastockkernel |
| 18:34.57 | lord_rob | wols_: it's only marketing I know ;-) |
| 18:35.00 | pipeline | linuxjones317, LuciusMare : *BEFORE* you start the guide, set the "CC" variable to the correct compiler. |
| 18:35.28 | titan8990 | !m-a nvidia lenny |
| 18:35.29 | dpkg | nvidia: to compile and install lenny for your running kernel: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i lenny && modprobe lenny ; if this works echo lenny >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 18:35.40 | titan8990 | that factoid got messed up |
| 18:35.45 | pipeline | linuxjones317, LuciusMare : cat /proc/version will tell you which compiler your kernel was built with... if it's gcc 4.3, "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3", if it's 4.4, "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.4" etc |
| 18:35.55 | dury | lord_rob: you're using lenovo aren't you? |
| 18:35.57 | lord_rob | but closer to universal than another more known OS |
| 18:36.03 | pipeline | linuxjones317, LuciusMare : At any rate, I find module-assistant to be very unhelpful more often than not |
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| 18:36.18 | lord_rob | dury: I was, I told you I screwed my screen |
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| 18:36.35 | lord_rob | now my laptop is an eeepc |
| 18:36.58 | LuciusMare | pipeline: i followed it exactly, but it still wants to remove X |
| 18:37.03 | dury | sorry mates |
| 18:37.09 | pipeline | LuciusMare: that's a separate problem. apt-get -f install |
| 18:37.42 | wols_ | pipeline: one of the reason he has problems is probably apt-get |
| 18:38.11 | LuciusMare | pipeline: it does not do anything |
| 18:38.34 | jpinx-eeepc | leafpad is the default text editor for lxde when it didn't work I reinstalled in manually, but it still segfaults - any clues anyone? |
| 18:38.35 | pipeline | LuciusMare: then you don't have a problem. |
| 18:38.47 | pipeline | jpinx-eeepc: install emacs23 |
| 18:39.03 | wols_ | pipeline: read up on the problem before advising. better all around :) |
| 18:39.13 | LuciusMare | pipeline: well, actually no, i can perfectly work without X server |
| 18:39.16 | jpinx-eeepc | pipeline: that is not helpful |
| 18:39.17 | LuciusMare | >_> |
| 18:39.37 | pipeline | jpinx-eeepc: it's worth what you pay for it |
| 18:40.14 | LuciusMare | pipeline: i have a problem, the nvidia-glx wants to remove the X |
| 18:40.55 | pipeline | LuciusMare: are you mixing distributions, or are you on lenny alone ? |
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| 18:41.25 | LuciusMare | i am on squeeze. Alone. |
| 18:42.08 | pipeline | LuciusMare: squeeze, ah. Well, shit happens. Wait a few days, apt-get update, and try again :D |
| 18:42.08 | lord_rob | dury: however, at the time I installed Debian on my thinkpad, the stable version (for which you usually have to use the installer) was still sarge. My goal was to put Sid on it. I did not have many hardware support with Sarge installer, so the installation was not easy and I had to tweak the installed system a lot afterwards to make it useable. |
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| 18:42.16 | wols_ | ,versions xorg-core |
| 18:42.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xorg-core' was found. |
| 18:42.20 | wols_ | ,versions xorg |
| 18:42.22 | judd | xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+3; squeeze: 1:7.5+3 |
| 18:42.28 | dustybin | LuciusMare: why are you running Squeeze? |
| 18:43.05 | LuciusMare | dustybin: because unstable is too extreme for me, while lenny is too outdated for me |
| 18:43.15 | wols_ | dustybin: the important question is why can't he resolve a simple, easy dependency problem when he is |
| 18:43.16 | LuciusMare | pipeline: i am solving it for last few weeks :) |
| 18:43.26 | LuciusMare | simple? easy? |
| 18:43.30 | wols_ | very very easy |
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| 18:43.55 | LuciusMare | then, what is the solution? |
| 18:44.02 | pipeline | I can't see what you can see |
| 18:44.03 | wols_ | nvidia-graphics-drivers is |
| 18:44.03 | pipeline | so I don't know |
| 18:44.10 | lord_rob | use aptitude |
| 18:44.15 | wols_ | at least one of the (many) solutions |
| 18:44.29 | LuciusMare | wols_: i am following the guide, and i dont see that any of the other people would have these problems |
| 18:44.29 | wols_ | lord_rob: he is above that. I told him that a long time ago |
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| 18:44.52 | wols_ | LuciusMare: guide? for testing? dream on. there is a reason it'S called what it's called |
| 18:45.02 | lord_rob | sorry wols_ I wasn't reading |
| 18:45.31 | jpinx-eeepc | LuciusMare: you might give serious consideration to stable with backports |
| 18:45.50 | LuciusMare | wols_: uh |
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| 18:46.04 | nsadmin | why do you care how old it is as long as it works |
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| 18:46.23 | SimManiac | hi |
| 18:46.23 | nsadmin | oh I know, you want to be a cool kid |
| 18:46.23 | wols_ | nsadmin: !sns |
| 18:46.58 | wols_ | why else run debian except for the coolness. if it weren't for that we could all run ubuntu. |
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| 18:47.10 | pipeline | really |
| 18:47.15 | pipeline | I kinda like having packages not be broken |
| 18:47.24 | LuciusMare | nsadmin: because... new versions? |
| 18:47.26 | pipeline | also: support lifecycles longer than six months |
| 18:47.37 | jpinx-eeepc | LuciusMare: !backports |
| 18:47.38 | nsadmin | why? |
| 18:47.45 | LuciusMare | because they are newer |
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| 18:47.50 | nsadmin | why? |
| 18:48.00 | jpinx-eeepc | LuciusMare: read or be labelled a troll :p |
| 18:48.04 | LuciusMare | *sigh*. |
| 18:48.12 | nsadmin | why do you care? |
| 18:48.17 | LuciusMare | Well, i can always switch to linux 0.0.1 |
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| 18:48.46 | jpinx-eeepc | LuciusMare: you could always switch to XP :p |
| 18:48.51 | LuciusMare | eek |
| 18:49.25 | LuciusMare | Because the newer versions are better, firefox gets (at least for me) faster with every version, also, there are several packages that do not even work when outdated, not talking about that a few packages here are still 1* betas when there are 5* versions out there |
| 18:49.27 | nsadmin | see... you might need specific things to be a specific version to support a specific requirement |
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| 18:50.00 | LuciusMare | wols_: oh, and, aptitude didnt work |
| 18:50.10 | LuciusMare | it still wants to delete the X |
| 18:50.27 | themill | LuciusMare: if you can't handle these sorts of problems, don't run squeeze. |
| 18:50.34 | nsadmin | other than that, all you['re coming up with is "I want newer because it's newer" |
| 18:50.52 | themill | nsadmin: newer bugs are always more fun than old ones |
| 18:50.59 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: he's been told umpteen times |
| 18:51.08 | themill | I know. Including by me. |
| 18:51.18 | jpinx-eeepc | LuciusMare: you reading this now? |
| 18:51.25 | LuciusMare | themill: a package wanting to delete my x server is a common problem? |
| 18:51.38 | themill | LuciusMare: in squeeze? not infrequent. |
| 18:51.51 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: Is it still "umpteen" when you're heading towards triple digits? |
| 18:52.02 | LuciusMare | Oh. |
| 18:52.09 | wols_ | head to != actual |
| 18:52.25 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: umphundreds ? |
| 18:52.27 | nsadmin | but it's probably out of the teens |
| 18:52.55 | LuciusMare | Then, what should i run? |
| 18:52.58 | LuciusMare | Bloated ubuntu? |
| 18:53.01 | LuciusMare | Outdated lenny? |
| 18:53.02 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: maybe it is - but LuciusMare isn't |
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| 18:53.18 | nsadmin | LuciusMare: it doesn't seem you want what debian offers |
| 18:53.19 | jpinx-eeepc | LuciusMare: you've been told - stable with backports |
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| 18:53.47 | themill | LuciusMare: if you want our help and are not prepared to learn anything about debian, you should definitely be running stable. And even then we will expect you to try to try to work out your own problems. |
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| 18:54.29 | nsadmin | and if you try to try to try, |
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| 18:54.44 | nsadmin | umm I don't know how th finish that sentence :) |
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| 18:54.55 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: ! |
| 18:55.06 | nsadmin | !! |
| 18:55.07 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 18:55.22 | LuciusMare | themill: i can work out my problems, but i have no idea how to solve that a package wants to delete package1, just because it wants |
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| 18:56.11 | nsadmin | aptitude why not xorg |
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| 18:56.52 | LuciusMare | nsadmin: sorry? |
| 18:56.59 | themill | LuciusMare: man aptitude offers some useful things like "--show-why". And you could try reading the output carefully. |
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| 18:57.26 | arielCo | Hello & good day everyone :) To the point: how can I remove a package and *keep* other packages that will no longer be needed ? |
| 18:58.18 | LuciusMare | "The following packages are BROKEN: xserver-xorg-core" - And it offers me a solution that i should not install nvidia-glx |
| 18:58.34 | themill | arielCo: permanently keep them or just for a bit as you reinstall packages? |
| 18:59.08 | arielCo | themill: I guess permanently, since I plan to build its replacement from source |
| 18:59.37 | wols_ | arielCo: that is temporary, since you will build a .deb, right? |
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| 18:59.53 | themill | arielCo: well the better plan would be to tweak the debian package to your desires to create a custom .deb and keep it all within the package system. |
| 19:00.01 | LuciusMare | I give up. Thanks for help, though :) |
| 19:00.03 | themill | arielCo: are you trying for a newer package or just a differently compiled one. |
| 19:00.57 | themill | dpkg: tell LuciusMare about nvidia squeeze |
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| 19:00.57 | arielCo | wols_: hmm... I guess I could, but I was planning on old-fashioned .configure && make && make install |
| 19:00.57 | themill | (for the umpteenth time) |
| 19:00.57 | wols_ | arielCo: usually a bad choice. either you use the package system whenever possible or there is no point in it |
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| 19:00.57 | wols_ | arielCo: what software at which version is it that you need? |
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| 19:01.28 | arielCo | wols_: actually, it's FlightGear 2.0 - it's only available as source right now and I can't wait for someone to compile a binary ;) |
| 19:01.41 | wols_ | ,versions flightgear |
| 19:01.42 | judd | flightgear -- etch: 0.9.10-2; lenny: 1.0.0-3+b1; sid: 1.9.1-1.1 |
| 19:02.01 | wols_ | arielCo: other packages depend on a flightsim? |
| 19:02.51 | cybastl | quota does only work on systemuser right? |
| 19:02.53 | arielCo | wols_: the contrary: it depends on some packages that no one else needs |
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| 19:03.00 | wols_ | allisterb_: can't you simply leave the debian version where it is and compile+install to /usr/local? |
| 19:03.17 | wols_ | arielCo: ^^ |
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| 19:03.51 | nsadmin | arielCo what packages does it depend on? |
| 19:03.54 | arielCo | wols_: e.g. Proj ("Cartographic projection filter and library") |
| 19:03.57 | themill | arielCo: some combination of "backport" and "uupdate" will help you here. /msg dpkg uupdate ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:04.21 | pappanz | this is why I hate windows. Windows internet connection sharing requires that the host computer owns the 192.168.0.1 ip, which is - by chance - the ip used for the router configuration |
| 19:04.32 | arielCo | asks dpkg... |
| 19:06.02 | arielCo | pappanz: maybe you can tell the router to listen on another address. Mine (ancient BEFSR41) can. |
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| 19:06.47 | pappanz | arielCo, yes I can but I don't want to do this because my flatmates would hate me |
| 19:08.45 | wols_ | pappanz: there is a solution on the first google page. however you are utterly and totally OT here. so please go away and come back when you have a debian related problem. |
| 19:08.47 | cybastl | i have a server on which i want to setup an ftpserver on. i thought of chroot with users in sqldatabase. condition is i want to be able to restrict the ammount of disk space the users have. how is this handled? quota means i need a sysuser for ever ftpuser right? |
| 19:08.49 | arielCo | pappanz: do they need to reconfigure the router on a regular basis? Afaik the gateway address would still be reconfigured via DHCP discovery. |
| 19:09.20 | arielCo | wols_: bit of a stern reply, but you're right ;) |
| 19:09.39 | pappanz | wols_, yep. sorry for that (again!) |
| 19:09.43 | wols_ | arielCo: he's been told before that he's OT with this problem |
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| 19:10.26 | wols_ | cybastl: pure-ftpd. but there is no point in having a ftpd in the first place |
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| 19:11.46 | cybastl | whats a better solution? |
| 19:12.11 | wols_ | ssh usually |
| 19:12.24 | wols_ | ssh servers do sftp |
| 19:13.59 | arielCo | wols_: oops. Back to my case, FlightGear is currently installed as binary from the reps. It looks dpkg --remove ignores these orphaned packages. Am I right? |
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| 19:15.00 | nsadmin | what version of the supporting packages does vers 2 need? |
| 19:15.05 | wols_ | arielCo: ot dpes- but I dunno what aptitude does the next time you use it... |
| 19:15.26 | wols_ | arielCo: and the make install thing will install to /usr/local anyways, so no biggie |
| 19:16.00 | nsadmin | most times anyway. it's the default for most sources, but not all |
| 19:16.21 | wols_ | he said something about configure. there is always a prefix you can set |
| 19:16.34 | nsadmin | probably he should |
| 19:16.41 | arielCo | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/yyY6R9TG |
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| 19:19.24 | arielCo | nsadmin, wols_: http://pastebin.com/xfrEGZ2e |
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| 19:20.21 | arielCo | nsadmin, wols_: if I read the manpage correctly, [dpkg --remove flightgear] would only process the specified package, not the dangling dependencies. Am I right? |
| 19:20.36 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 19:21.12 | petemc | arielCo: thats why you use aptitude |
| 19:21.24 | arielCo | nods at petemc |
| 19:22.16 | nsadmin | petemc in this case thats why he would use dpkg |
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| 19:23.18 | nsadmin | you'll be needing some -dev libs too I suppose |
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| 19:31.58 | jetole | does debiabn 5 have the lsb_release program? |
| 19:32.06 | wols_ | jetole: yes |
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| 19:39.46 | LuciusMare | hm, is it safe to have squeeze-sid mix as told by dpkg (the bot) ? |
| 19:39.52 | LuciusMare | or should i disable it again? |
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| 19:41.48 | wols_ | LuciusMare: care to tell me where it does say that? which factoid? |
| 19:42.15 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: he's trolling |
| 19:42.53 | wols_ | LuciusMare: after you are done, you should swtich back to testing only. and while the "mix" is in effect, monitor carefully what it tries toinstall |
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| 19:43.25 | hayleyw | i'm assuming that you can use bits when using -s in iptables? "-s 192.168.183.0/24" |
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| 19:43.59 | petemc | hayleyw: bits? you mean cidr ? |
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| 19:44.30 | hayleyw | petemc, ya |
| 19:44.36 | pianohacker | Is there a simple way to access partitions _within_ LVM logical volumes? (e.g, /dev/mapper/data-xen1 is a full, partitioned disk for a xen instance) |
| 19:44.36 | petemc | you can aye |
| 19:44.49 | hayleyw | thanks |
| 19:44.58 | pianohacker | I might be able to hack something together with device-mapper, but there has to be a better way |
| 19:45.05 | petemc | pianohacker: maybe kpartx |
| 19:46.17 | pianohacker | petemc: That looks like exactly the thing, beautiful, thanks |
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| 19:46.53 | petemc | np |
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| 19:49.23 | dhaivat | Hi guys. I'm trying to use the sys rescue CD on a computer that I got at a garage sale. I know that the CD drive works and the Windows XP system currently installed has a password I don't know. But, when I try to load the Boot CD, It says: verifying DMI pool data ... Boot from CD: (waits a little while, then boots windows xp) What should I do? I tried pressing a bunch of keys when it said Boot from CD: and the internal speaker just b |
| 19:49.27 | djangoblin | hi. after getting new package lists via aptitude update, how can I see which packages I could upgrade, and which I should upgrade (i.e., upgrades available for security reasons)? thx |
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| 19:49.44 | petemc | dhaivat: try another cd? |
| 19:49.58 | LuciusMare | wols_: sorry, went afk, dpkg told me that to install nvidia drivers on squeeze, i should switch to mix squeeze/sid mix |
| 19:49.59 | abrotman | dhaivat: sounds like either a bad cd drive or bad cd |
| 19:50.11 | dennister | panicking!!! none of my pull-down menus on gnome or kde work...can't open any applications? what gives? client is coming over in an hour or less |
| 19:50.42 | LuciusMare | dpkg: tell wols_ about nvidia squeeze |
| 19:51.15 | LuciusMare | jpinx-eeepc: i wish i would be troll, i wouldnt have to solve these problems |
| 19:51.22 | dennister | the only response is when I right-click a menu...but none of the resulting options work either |
| 19:51.43 | dhaivat | any solutions? |
| 19:51.49 | dhaivat | I'll try another CD. |
| 19:51.58 | the-dude | dennister: use a shell? |
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| 19:52.08 | dhaivat | But, it doesn't do the Boot from CD: thing when there is no cd inserted, so it does recognize the CD... |
| 19:52.20 | dennister | is my panel locked? there's a check mark in that option when i rightclick |
| 19:52.32 | dennister | the-dude: i can't get into shell, either |
| 19:53.12 | the-dude | dennister: did you try control+alt+F1 of so ? |
| 19:53.19 | dennister | not a single icon, pull-down menu, or almost anything works... |
| 19:53.38 | dennister | the-dude: i even tried rebooting...will try that |
| 19:53.40 | dennister | brb |
| 19:53.59 | dhaivat | anyone can help? I really want this computer to work! |
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| 19:54.33 | abrotman | dhaivat: do you have a spare CD drive? |
| 19:54.42 | dhaivat | nope. |
| 19:54.42 | the-dude | dhaivat: wich cd did you download? |
| 19:55.02 | dhaivat | well, I tried the freebsd cd, sys rescue cd and now I'm going to try the debian cd. |
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| 19:55.04 | dhaivat | Same message. |
| 19:55.13 | karbonize | dhaivat: do you know for sure the CD, itself, works? Try booting off it from other machine to confirm |
| 19:55.19 | dhaivat | okay. |
| 19:55.34 | dhaivat | yeah, I'm a 100% sure it works. |
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| 19:56.38 | dhaivat | now, even its completely stuck on Boot from CD: |
| 19:56.42 | dhaivat | not even going to HD. |
| 19:56.58 | dennister | the-dude: ok, got into console, tried to startx, to get a clue as to what was happening...couldn't (probably because it was already running...but I was told to remove /tmp/ X0-lock |
| 19:57.17 | dennister | tmp/ .X0-lock |
| 19:57.18 | the-dude | thats because X was already running |
| 19:57.36 | the-dude | control+alt+f7 gets you back |
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| 19:58.05 | dhaivat | anyone? abrotman? the-dude? |
| 19:58.08 | dennister | yes, figured that...but how do I unlock my icons and pulldown menus? the application I have to use to write up this invoice for hte client is x-driven |
| 19:58.25 | dennister | even rebooting doesn't help |
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| 19:58.44 | the-dude | dennister: workaround: create a icon on your desktop of your app and use that? |
| 19:59.13 | dhaivat | no one can help? |
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| 19:59.38 | dennister | the-dude: i'll try, but somehow...any other ideas while i try this people? I've never seen this before in 3-4 years... |
| 19:59.40 | the-dude | dennister: cp cp /usr/share/application/$application $HOME/Desktop/. |
| 19:59.54 | dennister | two cp's |
| 19:59.57 | dennister | ? |
| 19:59.58 | the-dude | no just one |
| 20:00.02 | the-dude | typo :/ |
| 20:00.04 | abrotman | dhaivat: try another CD drive |
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| 20:00.35 | the-dude | dhaivat: did you check the bios setting? |
| 20:00.39 | dhaivat | yeah |
| 20:01.02 | the-dude | is it able to boot a other cd ? |
| 20:01.06 | dhaivat | nope |
| 20:01.08 | dhaivat | no CD |
| 20:01.16 | dhaivat | now doesn't even boot to windows |
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| 20:01.21 | the-dude | so? doesn't that make it broken then? |
| 20:01.29 | dhaivat | solution? |
| 20:01.33 | dhaivat | any kind? |
| 20:01.41 | the-dude | read ^ |
| 20:01.52 | dhaivat | replace hard drive? |
| 20:02.06 | the-dude | no like suggested use a other cd drive |
| 20:02.15 | dhaivat | I don't have one... |
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| 20:02.30 | the-dude | then use a other boot solution like usb or so |
| 20:02.40 | the-dude | or perhaps pxe boot |
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| 20:08.37 | dennister | the-dude: |
| 20:09.19 | dennister | sorry, this isn't working, can't get into any application, everything is locked, even for the other user, so creating a new user won't help either I fear |
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| 20:10.19 | dennister | can anyone help me unlock x-server? specifically the applications? |
| 20:10.23 | dennister | and menus? |
| 20:10.37 | the-dude | dennister: did you try my suggestion? |
| 20:10.38 | dhaivat | what do you mean "unlock"? |
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| 20:11.15 | dennister | yes...but I may have done it incorrectly...i'll try againi couldn't launch it |
| 20:11.39 | dennister | dhaivat: every icon won't work, no pull-down menu works, nada |
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| 20:12.40 | \amethyst | are you sure your mouse button works? |
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| 20:15.18 | toallin | is there any way to extract many files tar.gz located in the same directory without extracting one by one? |
| 20:15.20 | toallin | hello |
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| 20:15.39 | the-dude | toallin: you mean extract the whole tar.gz ? |
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| 20:15.53 | toallin | no,there are many tar.gz files, like 100,they r themes |
| 20:16.06 | toallin | and i want to extract all with one command or script |
| 20:16.22 | the-dude | script something with bash or so |
| 20:16.36 | toallin | I don't know how to program it,im newbie |
| 20:16.43 | the-dude | or perhaps try * |
| 20:16.44 | petemc | toallin: ls *.tar.gz | while read ; do tar xzf "$REPLY" ; done |
| 20:16.53 | toallin | * does not work |
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| 20:17.09 | the-dude | bommer *g* |
| 20:17.15 | dennister | the-dude: i get: missing destination file operand |
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| 20:17.27 | toallin | petemc, thank u very much |
| 20:17.49 | the-dude | dennister: did you replace $application with your application? |
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| 20:20.35 | efaistos | hmmm is there some issue with X in testing ? |
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| 20:31.45 | abrotman | efaistos: works fine here .. you might want to be less vague |
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| 20:34.03 | sensae | How can I keep grub reliably booting my system when the device assignment keeps changing every boot? |
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| 20:34.19 | xyan | !uuid |
| 20:34.20 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 20:34.53 | Moooo | Hey, anyone tested the LXDE environment ? i'm interested in getting the best out of my laptop battery when i'm writing text at class, should i grab LXDE or should i start writing in the ctrl+alt+F2 terminal ? |
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| 20:36.26 | abrotman | Moooo: that's something only you can decide |
| 20:36.58 | Moooo | i guess i'll try it ... |
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| 20:37.05 | Moooo | but thought to ask first |
| 20:37.21 | Moooo | read good things about it |
| 20:37.31 | xyan | Moooo: dim your display, thats the most energy efficient thing right after disabling wlan (if not needed) |
| 20:37.56 | Moooo | wlan disabled, display is always dimmed |
| 20:38.43 | Moooo | maybe i can find something that may dim it more, almost close to turned off lol |
| 20:38.52 | Moooo | that should do the trick |
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| 20:39.33 | xyan | thought abot getting a better battery yet? some manufacturers have 9cell batteries lasting for ages |
| 20:40.14 | Moooo | i have 9 cells, it's a new laptop, but i write a lot :( |
| 20:40.25 | amphi | Moooo: powertop may be of use |
| 20:40.52 | Moooo | i'll research, thanks |
| 20:41.49 | amphi | Moooo: modprobe -r uhci-hcd can help quite a bit too |
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| 20:42.29 | jhutchins | Moooo: bluetooth disabled? |
| 20:42.30 | Moooo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.33 | Moooo | yes |
| 20:42.42 | amphi | Moooo: if you install laptop-mode-tools you can tweak quite a few things by means of that |
| 20:42.51 | abrotman | powertop |
| 20:42.54 | Moooo | laptop mode is enabled |
| 20:43.32 | jhutchins | I would think console might save some power, but I would kill the dm rather than just switching to it. |
| 20:43.40 | amphi | turning of WoL on the ethernet card, or removing its module entirely, can help a bit |
| 20:43.54 | amphi | s/of/off |
| 20:44.04 | Moooo | nice tips |
| 20:44.09 | Moooo | thanks guys |
| 20:44.33 | sensae | How many people here are running the testing branch regularly? |
| 20:44.43 | nooper | me |
| 20:44.52 | amphi | sensae: several, I have no doubt |
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| 20:45.26 | sensae | nooper: How's the stability of it? |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | depends on your definitoin of stable |
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| 20:45.50 | amphi | sensae: it changes constantly ;) |
| 20:45.50 | nooper | i've been running it for 2 months at home with 0 problems |
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| 20:47.13 | nooper | by stability do you mean number of changes or number of crashes? |
| 20:47.58 | sensae | number of crashes XD |
| 20:48.53 | nooper | oh, none. packages sit for a while in unstable before testing |
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| 20:54.14 | chops1 | Hello everyone! I'm getting back to work on The Project That Would Not Die, rsync over ssh with LDAP authentication. For those just joining us, I've determined that sshd's pam_start() argument needs to be overridden to load my special LDAP PAM config for the duplicate ssh daemon I'm running, but I can't get it to actually work. Further bulletins as events warrant. |
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| 20:54.54 | acu | if I wand to use dd to back up an entire system - do I need to boot with Knoppix from CD then do the dd to backup the hard disk ? - Or I can do it directly while I am in squeeze |
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| 20:55.05 | chops1 | !ops wulansari privmsg spam |
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| 20:55.12 | pallgone | is anyone using the nxclient on debian? I'm on squeeze here and have installed the .deb package from nomachine website... I can connect to the server and all works but I get 100% cpu on the local machine especially with the terminal... for example when I enter chars with the keyboard it's delayed and it will boost the cpu to 100% when I just hold a key down... irc in terminal is unusable... the process which gets to 100 is X |
| 20:55.13 | pallgone | itself... I'm not sure how to analyze this |
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| 20:55.31 | efaistos | abrotman: i got two errors only in Xorg.0.log : "EE ioctl EVIOCGNAME failed: inappropiate ioctl for device" and PreInit returned NULL for "appletouch" |
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| 20:55.46 | chops1 | acu: I wouldn't use dd to back up a running system... is there a reason you want dd as opposed to tar or amanda or something? |
| 20:56.32 | chops1 | acu: If you're convinced you need to use dd, you can do it without booting from a CD; just go single-user ("init 1") and remount read-only first |
| 20:57.24 | pallgone | I was thinking that it might be a font issue... but I am not getting any errors |
| 20:57.44 | acu | chops1: I would like to use anything which is easy and works, but I want to be able to do the whole system - what is your recomandation |
| 20:58.03 | pallgone | acu: multiple partitions? |
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| 20:58.07 | chops1 | acu: I use tar myself... I've heard good things about amanda, but it always seemed like more trouble than it's worth |
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| 20:58.48 | chops1 | acu: tar will get the whole system except for the bootloader; if you need to restore you'll just need to recreate the filesystem, chroot into it, and run grub-install |
| 20:58.50 | acu | pallgone: I have few systems which are single partition - but I have some with multiple - |
| 20:59.18 | chops1 | acu: If you're not familiar with the process you should try it out once without waiting for your disk to crash first :-) |
| 20:59.59 | acu | chops1: of course - I will try few systems for practice only :) |
| 21:00.09 | pallgone | chops1: you tar from the running system? |
| 21:00.32 | chops1 | acu: If you have multiple systems it might turn out to be worthwhile learning amanda... I had two systems and backing them up with tar started to feel like I was doing too much by hand |
| 21:00.44 | chops1 | pallgone: I do. mysqldump first, then go |
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| 21:01.22 | acu | I will look at amanda - I tried Mondo but somehow I did not have success in Squeeze |
| 21:01.27 | chops1 | pallgone: It's not ideal, but it's good enough for my purposes as long as I know the DB can come back |
| 21:01.28 | pallgone | chops1: do you have any tutorials on this? I was using fsarchiver until now |
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| 21:02.49 | pallgone | ^ on my problem with nxclient: do you think I can report a bug somewhere? I mean nxclient is not a squeeze package... |
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| 21:03.44 | chops1 | pallgone: Unfortunately I don't... I just read the tar docs and put together some scripts that worked for me with incrementals and network (using nc) and encryption using openssl and it all honestly didn't turn out to be that much work |
| 21:04.17 | chops1 | Though probably more work than it would have taken to learn amanda :-) |
| 21:05.05 | efaistos | trying to upgrade my system to testing but cant start X :( I got just two errors that i posted just above ... I'm using debian on a macbook first generation |
| 21:05.15 | efaistos | any idea ? |
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| 21:06.19 | chops1 | pallgone: Report it to the nxclient developers? :-) |
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| 21:06.57 | pallgone | chops1: well it might be a squeeze bug actually becase the process which sucks in all the cpu is X |
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| 21:08.19 | pallgone | efaistos: no other errors? |
| 21:08.24 | efaistos | nope :( |
| 21:08.42 | efaistos | it just freezes and nothing else |
| 21:08.43 | efaistos | :( |
| 21:08.51 | pallgone | ah it freezes |
| 21:09.44 | pallgone | hmm... I think the errors you gave are not the problem... |
| 21:10.06 | pallgone | what wm are you running? |
| 21:10.22 | efaistos | actually it doesnt freeze ... i can use the mouse ... but dont have any menu ... I tried awesome, my default window manager, and then gnome |
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| 21:10.33 | efaistos | both the same :( |
| 21:10.35 | chops1 | pallgone: It might be... but the nxclient developers are in a better position to make sense of X and see if it's an X bug than the Debian developers are to make sense of nxclient and see if it's an X bug |
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| 21:11.39 | nicholas_ | Can anyone recommend a backup program (to back up to a CIFS NAS) that would work well for a desktop that's not on all the time? I use rsnapshot myself from cron, but the desktops in the house that aren't always on, that doesn't work so well as it might not run, or might get shut down while running... |
| 21:12.07 | nicholas_ | Maybe we need something that shows it's working in the gnome panel icon area |
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| 21:12.41 | pallgone | chops1: I'll give it a try |
| 21:13.11 | pallgone | efaistos: so the keyboard doesn't work? |
| 21:13.18 | efaistos | pallgone: everything else is working quite well ... right now using screen and a couple of things in the console but cant start it :( |
| 21:13.49 | pallgone | I mean in X... you can move the mouse pointer but don't do anything? |
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| 21:13.52 | chops1 | nicholas_: You want the backup program to run on the desktop and back up the data on the NAS? |
| 21:13.57 | efaistos | pallgone: evertyhing works in the console that's all ... the panel, desktop or anything else doesnt start |
| 21:14.16 | efaistos | pallgone: yeah I cant do anything else |
| 21:14.22 | pallgone | efaistos: so you have just the mouse pointer? |
| 21:14.28 | efaistos | yeah |
| 21:14.36 | nicholas_ | chops1, send data from the desktop to the NAS |
| 21:14.57 | pallgone | efaistos: do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 21:15.25 | chops1 | nicholas_: Looked at smbackup? |
| 21:15.53 | efaistos | pallgone: i have one with just some macbook things inside ... |
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| 21:16.26 | mohadib_ | howdy |
| 21:16.34 | pallgone | efaistos: tried vesa? |
| 21:16.37 | mohadib_ | when making a deb, where do i put the control file? |
| 21:16.38 | efaistos | pallgone: Xkbmodel macbook79 and XkbLayout fr |
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| 21:16.44 | mohadib_ | dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `usr//DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 21:16.46 | acu | so amanda is better than mondo |
| 21:16.49 | nicholas_ | chops1, oh the desktop does run Debian.. |
| 21:16.49 | mohadib_ | im getting that error |
| 21:16.56 | efaistos | pallgone: Its just an InputDevice section |
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| 21:17.25 | nicholas_ | chops1, that's for the suggestion though, I didn't know about smbackup. Might come in handy if we use windows sometime |
| 21:17.51 | chops1 | nicholas_: You don't have to use Windows; just set up samba with a password-restricted / share |
| 21:18.13 | nicholas_ | chops1, ok, I'll look into it, thanks |
| 21:18.20 | chops1 | nicholas_: I've never used smbackup, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets permissions and such right when going Linux<->Linux |
| 21:18.30 | chops1 | And even if not you can still save the data if something goes wrong |
| 21:18.36 | pallgone | efaistos: ok, then create an xorg.conf and try some stuff... like vesa mode for example |
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| 21:19.08 | nicholas_ | chops1, it would be great if the shutdowns on the desktop were delayed while backup is finishing, etc |
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| 21:19.17 | efaistos | pallgone: ok I'll try that ;) |
| 21:19.19 | dennister | the-dude: turned out to be two mice that died, in quick succession...third mouse worked |
| 21:19.20 | nicholas_ | at least once a week maybe, to ensure we actually get a full backup sometimes |
| 21:19.21 | mohadib_ | woot |
| 21:19.22 | mohadib_ | nvm |
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| 21:19.25 | efaistos | pallgone: coming back then ;) |
| 21:19.39 | dennister | thanks for trying, panic over, 5 servers sold |
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| 21:20.15 | chops1 | nicholas_: You can do that with a custom initscript (won't prevent the desktop from shutting down, of course, and it might irritate someone who wants to use the machine while it's waiting to shut down) |
| 21:20.27 | pallgone | efaistos: let's see... you can let X create one hopefully... and then change it |
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| 21:21.22 | nicholas_dinner | chops1, I'm thinking of something that just throws up a question if the user asks gnome to shut down the machine, "Backup is running, do you wish to shutdown anyway? backup is estimated to take 10 minutes."... |
| 21:21.29 | nicholas_dinner | I have to eat, back in a bit |
| 21:21.40 | buntfalke | how to prevent this problem: aptitude install X && apt-get source X && apt-get build-dep X results in all build dependencies being installed, but without a single top-level package which causes them to remain installed. or rephrased: all the foo-dev bar-dev... packages will have screwed dependencies: they will not be uninstalled when X is gone. |
| 21:21.57 | chops1 | nicholas_dinner: k |
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| 21:24.46 | pallgone | efaistos: Xorg -configure |
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| 21:27.40 | krion | hey guys... |
| 21:28.05 | krion | i try to compile a custom kernel, i don't know what i missing out but it won't boot |
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| 21:28.26 | krion | it said that i can't find my disk's uuid |
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| 21:29.11 | AndreasS | krion, how did you compile it? with kpkg? |
| 21:29.17 | mase | krion seems not to be a kernels problem but a initrd once |
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| 21:30.21 | chops1 | krion: Why are you compiling a custom kernel (and how)? |
| 21:30.22 | mase | krion wrong configuration of the /etc/fstab in the initrd |
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| 21:30.51 | krion | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_package |
| 21:31.05 | krion | chops1: i need it for b43 wifi driver |
| 21:31.26 | krion | mase: looks like it indeed |
| 21:31.42 | krion | mase: but my initrd looks ok i guess since busybox start |
| 21:32.18 | mase | krion busybox "may" start if its included in the initrd |
| 21:32.19 | AndreasS | well, everything is better then a kernel panic |
| 21:32.33 | krion | i got a kernel panic without initrd :) |
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| 21:34.06 | abrotman | krion: the b43 is in debian already |
| 21:35.03 | krion | http://pastebin.com/rwXjZCkK |
| 21:35.04 | efaistos | pallgone: nope ... even the Xorg -config file doesnt work |
| 21:35.05 | efaistos | :( |
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| 21:35.28 | krion | i know it's not really debian related but since i don't know what i missing |
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| 21:35.52 | krion | abrotman: looks like my rev is not supported in < 2.6.32 |
| 21:36.19 | pallgone | efaistos: -configure? |
| 21:36.39 | abrotman | there's a .30 in backports.org and a .32 in squeeze |
| 21:36.52 | efaistos | pallgone: it creates a new file in /root |
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| 21:37.12 | efaistos | and then i tried Xorg -config /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 21:37.17 | pallgone | efaistos: yes... that one you can use to play... |
| 21:37.17 | efaistos | but then nothing |
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| 21:37.24 | efaistos | just a freeze |
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| 21:38.02 | pallgone | efaistos: just mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:38.11 | efaistos | just the brightness keys were working thats all :( no mouse pointer or anything |
| 21:38.32 | pallgone | efaistos: then edit the file and try vesa |
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| 21:38.45 | oskie | does anyone know if the debian installer stuff can do nfsroot? 'cause i'm having some very strange freeze issues when nfs-booting |
| 21:38.49 | efaistos | I'll try vesa |
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| 21:39.57 | pallgone | efaistos: ah sorry, you already had an xorg.conf... well.. can you pastebin the new xorg.conf? |
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| 21:41.41 | efaistos | pallgone: vesa worked... it started awesome wm but I wasnt able to use the keyboard :( |
| 21:42.26 | pallgone | efaistos: ok, is hal running? |
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| 21:43.30 | efaistos | pallgone: no |
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| 21:44.07 | efaistos | was removed apparently during the upgrade :( |
| 21:44.39 | pallgone | efaistos: it's not installed? |
| 21:44.52 | efaistos | i just installed it ... |
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| 21:47.43 | pallgone | efaistos: so... if hal is running the keyboard *should* work... |
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| 21:49.16 | efaistos | pallgone: yeah tried it and it works ... |
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| 21:49.30 | efaistos | but I wonder why the intel driver is not working :( |
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| 21:50.23 | hayleyw | what intel chipset? |
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| 21:52.20 | efaistos | Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940 Express Integrated Graphic Controller |
| 21:52.29 | efaistos | it used to work before the upgrade |
| 21:52.41 | hayleyw | try it again now that hal's working |
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| 21:57.14 | efaistos | hayleyw: nope black screen just the brightness keys worked and thats all :( |
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| 21:58.26 | digitalj | can someone help me figure out how to generate a new /etc/init.d/postfix ? |
| 21:58.36 | digitalj | it wont let me remove it because it's missing |
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| 22:02.30 | efaistos | hayleyw, pallgone : apparently the intel driver is not working :( the vesa one does work |
| 22:02.41 | efaistos | but the display is not the best ... |
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| 22:03.33 | chops1 | efaistos: File a bug with xorg's bugzilla |
| 22:03.45 | chops1 | efaistos: The intel driver was total bollocks the last I looked |
| 22:04.05 | abrotman | it works fine here on three machines |
| 22:04.16 | amphi | digitalj: just 'touch /etc/init.d/postfix' |
| 22:04.18 | pallgone | efaistos: maybe it's an issue with the screen? check what xrandr is give for resolutions and set it to a low one with the intel driver? |
| 22:04.34 | digitalj | amphi, thanks, that worked |
| 22:04.44 | digitalj | i didnt think it was that easy |
| 22:05.06 | digitalj | i actually just found the solution online and then xchat started blinking with another solution |
| 22:05.23 | efaistos | pallgone: i dont get why an upgrade fucked up everything :( |
| 22:05.25 | digitalj | ubuntu forums, heh |
| 22:05.30 | efaistos | abrotman: what machines ? |
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| 22:05.38 | abrotman | efaistos: three different laptops |
| 22:05.43 | efaistos | abrotman: macbook ? |
| 22:05.51 | abrotman | efaistos: eww .. no .. who would pay for one of those? |
| 22:06.00 | efaistos | abrotman: got it for free :) |
| 22:06.09 | abrotman | give it back |
| 22:07.06 | efaistos | abrotman: and you will give me a new one free ? :) |
| 22:07.07 | chops1 | efaistos: An upgrade fucked up everything because the intel driver is not very stable. I had the same issue many times back when I used a machine that had an intel chip. Again, filing a bug in upstream bugzilla (and downgrading again until it gets sorted out) is your best way forward. |
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| 22:08.04 | efaistos | so using the stable one ? |
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| 22:08.45 | chops1 | efaistos: Or the one from before you upgraded (from snapshots or wherever) |
| 22:08.59 | djangoblin | hi. after getting new package lists via aptitude update, how can I see which packages I could upgrade, and which I should upgrade (i.e., upgrades available for security reasons)? thx |
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| 22:09.35 | chops1 | efaistos: For a while I was using one out of xorg's git, which was approximately as reliable as the packaged releases but made my interactions with the upstream engineers a bit more productive |
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| 22:11.05 | DJ-Marcuzz | good evening |
| 22:11.28 | josephg | djangoblin: try apt-get -s upgrade. i don't use aptitude |
| 22:12.46 | pallgone | !aptitude |
| 22:12.47 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 22:12.57 | DJ-Marcuzz | i just tried to debootstrap squeeze and i notced that squeeze uses mktemp a lot in the apt-get process, unfortunaltly it seems to miss some directories in the /tmp, is there a automated way of creating the needed structure? |
| 22:13.10 | abrotman | djangoblin: hold on .. let me find it |
| 22:14.08 | pallgone | !why not aptitude |
| 22:14.09 | dpkg | Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 22:14.13 | josephg | !apt-get |
| 22:14.13 | dpkg | apt-get is a program (part of the apt package) used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for <apt>. See also <aptitude>, <reference>, <synaptic>, <apt-cache>, <gdebi>. http://wiki.debian.org/apt-get |
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| 22:15.02 | chops1 | !start a dpkg frontend war |
| 22:15.21 | abrotman | djangoblin: aptitude search "~U" |
| 22:17.47 | djangoblin | abrotman: thx that gives me a general list of what I could update |
| 22:18.07 | abrotman | djangoblin: are you running lenny or something else ? |
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| 22:18.44 | djangoblin | abrotman: yep, lenny (that's 5.0 stable, right?) |
| 22:19.06 | abrotman | djangoblin: if you want to know about security updates, see security.debian.org and either subscribe to the mailing list or use the RSS feed |
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| 22:20.08 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.38 | djangoblin | abrotman: good point! thx - would you know what the average time window is between a security announcements there and until a corresponding .deb is available in the security repos? |
| 22:20.49 | abrotman | usually the same time |
| 22:20.50 | josephg | tsunami in debian?? |
| 22:20.54 | abrotman | Agiofws: #debian-offtopic |
| 22:21.30 | nicholas_ | chops1, in the end, I wrote a little script that uses Zenity --notification to let the user know a backup is in progress |
| 22:21.54 | nicholas_ | chops1, it doesn't prevent a shutdown, or warn at shutdown, but still better than the user not knowing at all |
| 22:22.33 | djangoblin | abrotman: ok so my strategy should be to regularly read there and then my system (via the command you provided, after aptitude update) wether an announcement concerns a pkg I have already installed (and should thus upgrade)? |
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| 22:23.07 | abrotman | djangoblin: you sohuld really subscribe to the mailing list .. |
| 22:23.53 | djangoblin | abrotman: I definately will. I was referring to that mailing list when I wrote "read there" |
| 22:24.12 | sarah93 | wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4 |
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| 22:24.25 | chops1 | nicholas_: Sounds good |
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| 22:24.41 | abrotman | djangoblin: that's the general idea |
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| 22:25.03 | josephg | update should tell you whether any of your packages need one. if you don't have many packages installed like me, there's quite a lot happening out there to read there |
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| 22:25.16 | djangoblin | abrotman: ok thanks for your advice |
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| 22:25.31 | abrotman | josephg: 'update' doesn't tell you if there's an update |
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| 22:27.20 | tinflu | there appears to be something that writes to my iptables rules tables on startup how can I tell what is it? |
| 22:27.24 | josephg | abrotman: i use "apt-get -s upgrade" after an update, and it tells me what's available |
| 22:27.45 | abrotman | JoshH: that's not what you said .. <josephg> update should tell you whether any of your packages need one. |
| 22:27.52 | tinflu | I think it started after installing vuurmuur but I removed it some time ago |
| 22:27.56 | abrotman | tinflu: look in your initscripts ? |
| 22:27.59 | tinflu | already did |
| 22:28.33 | tinflu | the problem is when i 'iptables -X/F' I lose my net connection. not even ping to loopback device works. |
| 22:28.49 | tinflu | when I use init to switch back and forth between init levels I get my net link again |
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| 22:30.21 | josephg | abrotman: you win. i meant the update process, than just the specific command. i wrote a small script which does everything for me. i check the list of pending updates and upgrade if i want. |
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| 22:38.53 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 22:39.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | could someone tell me whats up with the mktemp that runs during apt-get, it misses the user directories in /tmp, but does not create them |
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| 22:43.32 | nooper | misses? |
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| 22:43.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | the /tmp/user/0 |
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| 22:44.49 | DJ-Marcuzz | it trys to create a tempory directory there, but does not create the whole path. this behavior i see when doeing a fresh sqeeze debootstrap |
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| 22:50.43 | hayleyw | anyone know of debian ksplice (free, not the ksplice.com service) tutorials? everything i see is for the service and/or ubuntu |
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| 22:52.06 | DJ-Marcuzz | nooper, you know anything about that? |
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| 22:54.40 | macrobat | i have seen the /tmp/user/0 fail too |
| 22:55.21 | macrobat | put "mkdir -p /tmp/user/0" in rc.local? :) |
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| 22:56.32 | DJ-Marcuzz | macrobat, that would be an hack around it, should there be a real solution to this? |
| 22:56.47 | parolang | Hello...does anyone here know how to use memtest86? I don't have a floppy disk. |
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| 22:57.14 | CompWizrd | parolang: could install it, as there's a package, and boot it from lilo, or you can also download and burn the iso and boot from that |
| 22:57.51 | parolang | CompWizrd: Well...I use grub rather than lilo...and I don't know how to boot it from grub. Any pointers? |
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| 22:59.32 | CompWizrd | drop the memtest86+.bin or whatever in /boot, think update-grub picks it up automatically |
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| 23:01.22 | parolang | CompWizrd: Okay...thanks. I think update-grub should be all I need...the package already put something in /boot/ |
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| 23:01.48 | josephg | parolang: you could also use the grml live cd. all 3 flavours have grub option to boot with memtest |
| 23:02.10 | parolang | CompWizrd: Okay cool, it worked :) |
| 23:02.24 | parolang | josephg: grml? What's that? :) |
| 23:02.34 | josephg | grml.org |
| 23:02.50 | parolang | Oh cool...a rescue OS :) |
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| 23:04.42 | CompWizrd | if the version of memtest installed is old, you can always download the newer one and drop it in /boot |
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| 23:07.17 | alex_1 | hi , how do I tell iptables to block the whole ip addr. range starting from 77.0.0.0 ? is it -s 77.0.0.0/something? thanks. |
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| 23:08.45 | petemc | alex_1: 77.0.0.0/8 |
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| 23:09.01 | alex_1 | thanks. |
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| 23:16.21 | pappanz | wols_, finally I managed to share the connection. now both computers ping each other. however I still cannot connect to the internet on the downstream pc. why? |
| 23:17.27 | pappanz | if I ping www.google.com I get "ping: unknown host www.google.com" |
| 23:19.09 | efaistos | tried to downgrade and fucking intel driver doesnt work anymore ! :( |
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| 23:20.17 | themill | rarely finds that swearing at it actually solves the problem |
| 23:20.17 | streuner__ | pappanz: sounds like a DNS issue |
| 23:21.14 | streuner | pappanz: if you can ping an IP, it is... |
| 23:21.21 | pappanz | streuner, so basically it's like this: [router wifi] --------- [pc1 192.168.0.6 -> 192.168.1.1] --------------- [pc2 192.168.1.2] |
| 23:22.16 | PinkFreud | can 192.168.0.6 get to 192.168.1.1 or 1.2? |
| 23:22.26 | efaistos | themill: i know .. but tried a lot of things tonight ... and have things to finish :( |
| 23:22.32 | pappanz | if I ping 192.168.1.1 I get signal. If I ping 192.168.0.x I get "network unreachable" |
| 23:22.38 | PinkFreud | with a default netmask of 255.255.255.0, that won't work too well |
| 23:22.43 | PinkFreud | pappanz: yep. that's right. |
| 23:23.13 | PinkFreud | pappanz: you'll need to either modify your netmask to include 192.168.0.x or change your 192.168.0.x host to use a 192.168.1.x address |
| 23:23.18 | pappanz | PinkFreud, I can ping 192.168.1.x from 192.168.0.x |
| 23:23.31 | PinkFreud | pappanz: what's your netmask on the 0.x host? |
| 23:23.33 | petemc | if pc1 is doing forwarding that will work fine, no need to change netmash |
| 23:23.38 | petemc | s/sh/sk/ |
| 23:23.48 | pappanz | PinkFreud, 255.255.255.0 |
| 23:24.04 | PinkFreud | pappanz: what's your gateway on 0.x? |
| 23:24.12 | pappanz | PinkFreud, yes |
| 23:24.15 | pappanz | ah |
| 23:24.32 | PinkFreud | no, 'yes' is not a valid answer to that question |
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| 23:25.06 | pappanz | sorry, do you mean the wireless router (gateway) or pc1? because I managed to setup connection sharing only by assigning static ip to both pc1 and pc2 |
| 23:25.32 | pappanz | the only gateway I have is 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:25.40 | PinkFreud | ahh hah. |
| 23:25.50 | PinkFreud | so 0.1 is doing routing for your .0 network. |
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| 23:26.03 | pappanz | PinkFreud, should be |
| 23:26.05 | PinkFreud | is 0.6 a wireless client? |
| 23:26.10 | pappanz | PinkFreud, yes |
| 23:26.18 | PinkFreud | I assume .1.x are wired? |
| 23:26.22 | pappanz | yep |
| 23:26.33 | PinkFreud | and they're not connected via the wireless router, correct? |
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| 23:27.05 | PinkFreud | (many wireless routers also have ethernet switches, hence the question) |
| 23:27.09 | streuner | as long as you have internet, its no problem at all in order to get DNS... |
| 23:27.10 | pappanz | PinkFreud, only pc1 is connected to the wireless router, but I would answer yes to your question |
| 23:27.18 | pappanz | ahn |
| 23:27.18 | pappanz | ok |
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| 23:27.48 | PinkFreud | pappanz: your wireless router is probably doing NAT. most do by default. |
| 23:27.50 | pappanz | it's like this: router ----wifi---- pc1 ----eth---- pc2 |
| 23:28.01 | efaistos | hmmm ... anyone knows from where this error comes : "intel(0) : I830 Dma Initialization Failed" ? |
| 23:28.05 | PinkFreud | your problem is that you have a nat network behind your home nat network. :) |
| 23:28.30 | pappanz | PinkFreud, I am not sure I have understood |
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| 23:28.33 | PinkFreud | whether you can do anything about it depends on your router. |
| 23:28.57 | PinkFreud | 192.168.0.x and 192.168.1.x (actually, 192.168.x.x) are private, non-routable networks |
| 23:29.19 | borman | hi people! I would like to know what are the non-free repositories that debian offers |
| 23:29.25 | PinkFreud | hence the need to do NAT (network address translation) to let devices using those networks out on the 'net |
| 23:29.44 | pappanz | PinkFreud, mmh. what shall I do then? |
| 23:29.47 | PinkFreud | your wireless router is probably doing NAT by default. |
| 23:30.03 | simonrvn | !tell borman -about non-free |
| 23:30.31 | PinkFreud | that all depends on the router. check it's documentation to see if it'll let you configure it to not do NAT. |
| 23:30.46 | PinkFreud | if you can have it share your home network, that should resolve your issue. |
| 23:30.59 | borman | is only to deactivating that |
| 23:31.30 | streuner | heh |
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| 23:33.10 | PinkFreud | pappanz: how many ethernet ports does your wireless router have? |
| 23:34.04 | pappanz | PinkFreud, 4 |
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| 23:34.17 | PinkFreud | ok, so your router *does* have an ethernet switch. |
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| 23:34.24 | PinkFreud | I assume one is marked WAN |
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| 23:36.43 | pappanz | PinkFreud, the four eth ports are maked with "LAN", another one (separated) is marked "internet" and goes to the modem |
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| 23:39.23 | pappanz | PinkFreud, it's this one: http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/WirelessGRouters/WGR614.aspx?detail=Specifications |
| 23:40.01 | pappanz | on the specifications page there's written that the internet port is called also "internet/WAN" |
| 23:40.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does anyone know anything about a scheduled bug squashing effort that was to be held at #debian-gnome? I have someone I follow on Google Buzz that said that this was planned but I dont see that IRC room listed. |
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| 23:40.31 | pappanz | I had a look at the configuration of the router but I don't see any option about NAT |
| 23:41.00 | hayleyw | LinuxGuy2009, you're on the wrong network |
| 23:41.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | Happen to know what server I should look at for that room? |
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| 23:42.01 | hayleyw | LinuxGuy2009, oftc |
| 23:42.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | oftc.com for the server in my IRC client? That right? |
| 23:42.33 | simonrvn | !room |
| 23:42.34 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 23:43.11 | PinkFreud | pappanz: what model router? |
| 23:43.19 | hayleyw | LinuxGuy2009, irc.oftc.net |
| 23:43.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thank you so much! |
| 23:43.33 | pappanz | PinkFreud, WGR614 |
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| 23:46.12 | PinkFreud | yes, I believe that model has a 4 port switch and a seperate wan (internet) port |
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| 23:48.13 | pappanz | PinkFreud, ok how does this help me? |
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| 23:49.51 | PinkFreud | pappanz: easy - don't use the internet port. connect one of the lan ports to your home network. you'll also need to go into Advanced -> LAN IP Setup to give it a 192.168.1.x address. |
| 23:50.20 | PinkFreud | if you have a dhcp server on your home network, I highly recommend turning off the dhcp server on the wireless router |
| 23:51.00 | pappanz | PinkFreud, yep. I am doing this connection sharing because the router is too far from the computers, otherwise I would have just connected them to the LAN ports |
| 23:51.51 | PinkFreud | pappanz: uh. how do you have the router connected to the rest of your network, then? |
| 23:52.53 | pappanz | PinkFreud, what do you mean? the router distributes connection only wirelessly to 3/4 computers. one of them should share this connection via cross cable to another pc |
| 23:53.43 | PinkFreud | pappanz: unless you have a network cable going from your router to somewhere else, your wireless network won't be going anywhere. |
| 23:54.03 | PinkFreud | I *assume* you have a network cable connected to your router's Internet port, correct? |
| 23:54.32 | pappanz | I have, it goes to the modem |
| 23:55.14 | PinkFreud | I see. So your wireless router is the last device on your network? |
| 23:55.31 | PinkFreud | in that case, where are your 192.168.1.x devices connected to? |
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| 23:56.02 | \amethyst | AIUI modem <---eth---> router <~~~wifi~~~> a computer <---eth---> more computers |
| 23:56.23 | pappanz | wasn't it clear? |
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| 23:57.37 | PinkFreud | that doesn't tell me much. |
| 23:57.52 | pappanz | PinkFreud, what do you want to know? |
| 23:57.57 | PinkFreud | your wireless router is connected to your modem via the internet port. fine. |
| 23:58.04 | pappanz | yep |
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| 23:58.21 | PinkFreud | are any other ports on the router occupied? |
| 23:58.27 | pappanz | no device is connected through the router switch |
| 23:59.09 | pappanz | meaning that the router distributes connection only wirelessly at the moment |
| 23:59.25 | PinkFreud | how many wireless clients do you have? |
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| 23:59.41 | pappanz | depends. 3 sometimes 4 |