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| 00:00.05 | nsadmin | typically it's helpful if you were to draw a diagram that you'd save to a GIF or something |
| 00:00.08 | PinkFreud | those are all 192.168.0.x, right? |
| 00:00.15 | pappanz | PinkFreud, but the point is that the pc which is connected via cross cable to the wireless client has no wifi card |
| 00:00.35 | pappanz | PinkFreud, exactly |
| 00:00.36 | nsadmin | you'd both have an easier time of it |
| 00:00.59 | PinkFreud | I see. you're using a crossover cable and using one of the wireless clients as a router. |
| 00:01.05 | PinkFreud | now I understand. |
| 00:01.38 | PinkFreud | do I even want to know which OS your routing pc is using? :) |
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| 00:03.35 | themill | PinkFreud: no, you do not. |
| 00:03.51 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 00:03.58 | nooper | lol |
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| 00:05.26 | pappanz | it is unfortunately windows |
| 00:05.26 | tvtoon | Hi, any debian-games mantainers around? I want some information about "deutex"... |
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| 00:05.59 | nsadmin | throw out your question... |
| 00:06.25 | tvtoon | I want to know who did that version for Debian |
| 00:06.29 | pappanz | http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9089/net.gif |
| 00:06.39 | abrotman | tvtoon: that version ? |
| 00:06.41 | PinkFreud | pappanz: that, unfortunately, is not something we can help with here. :) |
| 00:06.50 | nsadmin | "that version"? |
| 00:06.52 | tvtoon | In the official site, the version is still 4.4.0 |
| 00:07.02 | tvtoon | The Debian sources has 4.4.902 |
| 00:07.09 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 00:07.10 | pappanz | PinkFreud, they already told me twice |
| 00:07.16 | \amethyst | pappanz: is 192.168.1.1 a Debian machine? |
| 00:07.30 | pappanz | \amethyst, it's a winxp machine |
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| 00:07.38 | pappanz | *UNFORTUNATELY* |
| 00:07.46 | \amethyst | pappanz: which is the Debian machine? .1.2 ? |
| 00:07.47 | abrotman | tvtoon: you could look at the changelog for the package |
| 00:07.51 | pappanz | \amethyst, yep |
| 00:07.59 | \amethyst | pappanz: so what's the problem again? |
| 00:08.17 | tvtoon | abrotman, I looked inside the Debian sources, but no clue other than the original names |
| 00:08.25 | nsadmin | tvtoon: do you have the debian one installed? |
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| 00:08.32 | abrotman | tvtoon: but the changelog cites that as the upstream version as being that 4.4.902 |
| 00:08.32 | pappanz | \amethyst, .1.1 and .1.2 ping each other. .1.2 doesn't ping .0.x |
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| 00:08.37 | pappanz | and I have no network |
| 00:08.55 | \amethyst | pappanz: so the Windows connection sharing isn't working right... which sounds like a Windows problem |
| 00:09.09 | tvtoon | nsadmin, no, I modified the old one for myself to compile |
| 00:09.18 | pappanz | \amethyst, ok I'll look into it |
| 00:09.33 | \amethyst | pappanz: though you can check the routes on the Debian machine to make sure you have a defaultroute with gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:09.41 | nsadmin | if you were to install it, you'd have the changelog |
| 00:09.41 | \amethyst | pappanz: (DHCP should have done it) |
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| 00:09.54 | tvtoon | abrotman, exactly, but the official site is updated and has no clue regarding that version |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | tvtoon: perhaps they didn't update the website ? |
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| 00:10.50 | pappanz | \amethyst, ok but as I said, .1.1 and .1.2 are static ips, .1.1 doesn't work as a gateway |
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| 00:10.54 | tvtoon | maybe, but I really don't think so... |
| 00:10.56 | abrotman | tvtoon: there is a small #debian-games on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:11.02 | \amethyst | pappanz: oh |
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| 00:11.14 | \amethyst | pappanz: err |
| 00:11.15 | tvtoon | huuum, I will try that |
| 00:11.26 | \amethyst | pappanz: so you don't have connection sharing turned on on the Windows machine? |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | tvtoon: there is also #freedesktop-games on this network |
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| 00:13.15 | pappanz | \amethyst, yes I have but the point is that it requires the 192.168.0.1 ip, which is already taken by the router. therefore I have set it up with static ips |
| 00:13.58 | \amethyst | pappanz: oh, Windows is refusing to share between 192.168.0.* and 192.168.1.* ? |
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| 00:14.58 | PinkFreud | pappanz: your problem is that you're trying to configure routing, which is technically not supported here. You're also trying to do this on Windows, which is most definitely not supported on #Debian. |
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| 00:16.29 | pappanz | PinkFreud, so I guess (for the nth time) that this is not the right place where I should discuss it |
| 00:16.57 | PinkFreud | pappanz: yep :) |
| 00:17.01 | pappanz | ok |
| 00:17.09 | pappanz | btw thanks for the help |
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| 00:17.52 | tvtoon | ok, found my answer, the original author really posted it elsewhere |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | tvtoon: the copyright file still points at the original site .. oh well |
| 00:18.54 | themill | tvtoon: please file a bug that the copyright file is out of date as is the watch file. There really should be a pointer from the debian package to where the source came from. |
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| 00:19.45 | tvtoon | themill, Debian accept links from forums? I think that may be the problem... |
| 00:20.30 | themill | tvtoon: it's unusual, but if you have a look at the copyright file, it states "It was downloaded from <http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/deutex/>" which is clearly not true. |
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| 00:21.35 | tvtoon | yeah, I will fill in the form that anyway |
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| 00:26.11 | acu | I have a single partition - I want to backup the entire system and restore it in another hard disk - a mirror - what is the best and easiest program which can do that ? |
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| 00:29.57 | petemc | acu: partimage |
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| 00:33.06 | devin__ | any of you all having trouble with pidgin in debian squeeze? |
| 00:33.26 | acu | petemc: it seem that this is what I need - you can mirror one and install in multiple computers - do you need to boot with knoppix - or you can run partimage from a running system |
| 00:33.39 | acu | ? |
| 00:35.09 | petemc | acu: you should be able to just aptitude install and run it |
| 00:35.38 | nsadmin | devin__: check bts |
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| 00:44.45 | dansushi | Has it been decided yet when kde 4.4 will be in unstable? |
| 00:45.38 | Niklas- | Hey. I'm having an issue with a pxe boot environment, where i'm testing debian as a diskless client. If i specify eth0 as a DHCP interface in the interfaces file, the machine halts while booting. However, the kernel doesn't renew its lease, so when the lease time expires, it will drop the IP and machine will stop working. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:46.53 | nsadmin | niklaswe-: find out why |
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| 00:47.08 | nsadmin | wrong nick |
| 00:47.13 | nsadmin | Niklas-: find out why |
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| 00:48.11 | dansushi | nsadmin: I think that's in part what he's asking: Why it's happening and how he can fix it. |
| 00:49.09 | nsadmin | agreed... and I don't know why his machine is halting... perhaps he can find out |
| 00:49.13 | Niklas- | I haven't been able to find any information on how to make the kernel renew it's lease (if thats even possible) |
| 00:49.27 | macrobat | dansushi: http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase.html |
| 00:49.39 | Niklas- | It's halting since the dhcp client doesn't work when it looses the /, when it tries to assign IP or something |
| 00:49.39 | nsadmin | what if you did a static IP instead? |
| 00:50.57 | Niklas- | i need to use dhcp for this, but i guess i can try it out to verify if that will solve it |
| 00:51.06 | nsadmin | is the dhcp client stored in a network file system which gets mounted early? |
| 00:52.12 | Niklas- | yup and i guess that is the problem |
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| 00:52.17 | Niklas- | but i'm not sure how to get around it |
| 00:52.34 | dansushi | macrobat: i don't see anything there telling me that date that it will be in stable. are you saying that when it is available, this page will show it? |
| 00:52.34 | acu | OK, it is clear that partimage needs exclusive access to the partition being backedup - means I have to shut down the system and boot with knoppix ? |
| 00:54.37 | petemc | acu: my bad, i guess you do |
| 00:55.23 | acu | petemc: not at all - it seem that this was the tool I was looking for - I tried mondo but it does not work in squeeze - so I hope partimage is in knoppix |
| 00:55.44 | craigevil | dansushi: take look at http://ekaia.org/blog/2010/02/16/no-the-debian-kde-post-you-were-waiting-for/ |
| 00:56.37 | petemc | acu: if not theres clonezilla |
| 00:56.42 | petemc | which used partimage |
| 00:56.44 | petemc | uses |
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| 00:59.11 | macrobat | dansushi: has there ever been a public deadline for when a pkg version is in unstable? |
| 01:01.00 | acu | is any tool to create a live cd from a running debian squeeze ? |
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| 01:01.43 | dansushi | macrobat: I don't know, this is the first time i've really cared to look |
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| 01:02.35 | petemc | acu: remastersys can do that i believe |
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| 01:06.11 | acu | well I have to reboot - so thanks petemc- I will try knoppix first I have an older version |
| 01:06.25 | petemc | np |
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| 01:06.42 | frenchy | hello boys and girls |
| 01:06.57 | frenchy | i need some help please :'( |
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| 01:07.24 | frenchy | ÈlL.0?¤dÜO?ÙÔt/ }!G#BüiÒÿ ûÂUæ3L`bNºÃ |
| 01:07.52 | dansushi | looks like fun! |
| 01:07.59 | frenchy | lol yes |
| 01:08.12 | petemc | frenchy: is your php obfuscated with zend ? |
| 01:08.14 | amphi | !qotd19 |
| 01:08.15 | dpkg | <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 01:08.18 | themill | frenchy: ummm.... please don't paste crap like that in the channel. Please use a pastebin. /msg dpkg paste |
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| 01:09.14 | frenchy | petemc : yes he is |
| 01:09.32 | frenchy | themill : sorry this is my first time on IRC :) |
| 01:11.00 | nsadmin | frenchy [~mobidick@mag77-2-88-166-231-198.fbx.proxad.net] requested unknown ctcp (unknown chars omitted) from #debian |
| 01:12.14 | frenchy | someone can tell me what i need make please |
| 01:13.09 | liable | wow |
| 01:13.43 | liable | thats making a weird flashing blue aquare in irssi |
| 01:13.50 | liable | square* |
| 01:14.40 | frenchy | please help me ! i don't want formate my server, please |
| 01:14.55 | wols_ | frenchy: I'd ask zend. it's their crap there |
| 01:15.55 | frenchy | i need install zend optimizer again ? |
| 01:16.10 | wols_ | we don't know. we don't support that software |
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| 01:23.51 | nsadmin | if you're thinking you might have to reformat/reinstall, you should think also about backing up your data |
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| 01:26.14 | wols_ | nsadmin: if he thinks about formatting and reinstalling due to this he should think about letting a professional manage his server |
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| 02:20.17 | OrigenAE | Hi All, I've created an LV of 7.27TB, when I try resize the ext4 volume using resize2fs I recieve the error "resize2fs: File too large while trying to determine filesystem size" - I've read about this issue and it should only happen with 16Tb volumes with releases of e2fsprogs-1.41, any ideas? |
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| 02:26.22 | borman | how coul I give permissions to a user in order to use aptitude? |
| 02:27.08 | wols_ | borman: use sudo |
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| 02:28.11 | borman | yes I'm used to do that but I was wondering if is better give permission, what do you think about? |
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| 03:06.46 | simonrvn | borman: try / |
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| 03:08.37 | adb | simonrvn, he already in #gne.. |
| 03:09.16 | borman | sorry I'm a little bit tired :) |
| 03:09.37 | simonrvn | adb: thanks |
| 03:09.42 | adb | yw |
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| 03:36.33 | acu | Houston we got a problem :) - I have used partimage to backup an entire system and I was almost to restore it - however the initial system has a bigger hard disk than the one I restore to - though it was very little used - the partimage tells me that it cannot restore the partition from image file because dthe destination hard disk is smaller than the original - any suggestions to bypass this ? |
| 03:37.56 | acu | petemc maybe can help ? |
| 03:38.07 | acu | any saint awake ? |
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| 03:45.43 | DVelazquez | 's'up acu |
| 03:46.10 | chops1 | acu: Use tar instead? :-) |
| 03:46.28 | chops1 | acu: You may be able to mount the dd backup via loopback, then resize2fs on it or something |
| 03:46.55 | chops1 | acu: Actually, I think resize2fs may want to operate on the file itself, not the mount |
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| 03:50.16 | acu | so, let us say that the occupied size is 20 GB in a 750 GB HDD - can I dd to a smaller hard disk ? |
| 03:50.51 | acu | and do I need to have the original unmounted (means that I have to boot with Knoppix?) |
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| 03:53.32 | lotus-blade | is there an easy way to get firefox installed? I dled the tar.bz2 file and it is telling me that /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:56.27 | acu | lotus-blade: what are you using -lenny ? squeeze ? - Iceweasel is firefox |
| 03:56.30 | acu | :) |
| 03:57.13 | lotus-blade | sid, and iceweasel is not able to loade the firefox scripts that I need\ |
| 03:57.40 | acu | look for a .deb firefox it should be somewhere out there |
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| 03:59.01 | acu | and do a dpkg -install - anyhow you should check in synaptic or whatever you use - aptitude and see whether you libgtk-x11... is installed |
| 03:59.50 | acu | so I would first check whether that dependency is installed in your system - then try other alternatives |
| 04:01.12 | adb | lotus-blade, libgtk2.0-0 is installed ? , |
| 04:01.30 | chops1 | lotus-blade: What scripts? Iceweasel is exactly firefox with different art and a different name |
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| 04:04.06 | acu | OK, see you guys around - Gosh - you are boring :) |
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| 04:09.33 | chops1 | Does anyone know how to test a pam module (manually check various ways of authenticating against it)? |
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| 04:15.20 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 04:15.48 | DVelazquez | http://github.com/dvelazquez/Coco |
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| 04:19.17 | kdasdasf1 | hi i'm going to install a php application |
| 04:19.31 | DVelazquez | do it |
| 04:19.35 | kdasdasf1 | the application itself will be installed under /usr/share/<application> |
| 04:19.49 | kdasdasf1 | but i don't know where to install the template files |
| 04:19.55 | kdasdasf1 | which will be in some kind volatile |
| 04:20.05 | kdasdasf1 | i mean the users will probably edit them |
| 04:20.19 | kdasdasf1 | where would they normally be installed? |
| 04:21.30 | kdasdasf1 | what about /var/lib? |
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| 04:23.35 | hal9k2010 | need some help with config x |
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| 04:24.35 | chops1 | kdasdasf1: /etc would be a good (if unconventional) place |
| 04:25.25 | kdasdasf1 | chops1 hmm yes configurable stuff belongs unter /etc |
| 04:25.40 | Sergio` | I'm trying to run elinks with privoxy and tor but I get SOCKS request rejected or failed. I have forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . in privoxy's config. |
| 04:26.16 | DVelazquez | Does anybody mount a HFS+ partition on Linux? |
| 04:26.28 | chops1 | kdasdasf1: A lot of existing packages (e.g. twiki) do put it under /var/lib... but it's nice to use conffile handling, and strange to do that outside /etc |
| 04:26.36 | chops1 | DVelazquez: Yes, many people. Ask your real question. |
| 04:26.55 | DVelazquez | That was the real question, just to know |
| 04:27.03 | DVelazquez | XD |
| 04:27.28 | Sergio` | chops1: could you help? |
| 04:27.44 | hal9k2010 | help please... just installed bedian for PPC and after boot was complete just a black screen |
| 04:30.21 | chops1 | Sergio`: Sorry, don't know the answer |
| 04:31.10 | edgardo-laptop | good nigth |
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| 04:32.32 | sensae | I just got compiz running on GNOME, and now when I type in a gnome-terminal window some of my letters get jumbled. |
| 04:33.00 | Rusty1 | hal9k2010: there used to be a #debian-ppc channel, maybe try there |
| 04:33.18 | hal9k2010 | no reply there |
| 04:33.23 | sensae | To be more precise, at random they are the square symbol instead of the character I typed, but it doesn't affect terminal functionality |
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| 04:36.12 | bar432 | How to i create a debian/control file from debian/control.in ? |
| 04:36.34 | bar432 | to/do |
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| 04:37.12 | nsadmin | autoconf? |
| 04:37.21 | nsadmin | read the README? |
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| 04:38.51 | bar432 | nsadmin, could you elaborate? The README for e2fsprogs says nothing about the control.in file |
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| 04:40.24 | bar432 | I know that autoconf is used to create "configure" files from configure.in, but is it also used to create control files from control.in ? |
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| 04:44.16 | \amethyst | bar432: take a look at debian/rules |
| 04:44.45 | \amethyst | bar432: it uses m4 |
| 04:44.54 | bar432 | Ok, thanks. |
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| 04:45.36 | \amethyst | bar432: the proper way would probably be make -f debian/rules debian/control |
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| 04:47.00 | bar432 | amethyst, thank you! make -f on the rules file did indeed create the control file. I've been googling for an hour but didn't find any reference which explained this, so thank you agan! |
| 04:49.09 | bar432 | And I've learned something new as well, that the rules file is an ordinary make file :) |
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| 04:50.31 | acu | I want to backup a 750GB hard_disk (with only 20GB occupied) - and restore it in a smaller hard disk (300 GB hard disk) - what should I use? partimage requires at least equal hard disk with the original |
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| 04:51.43 | dondelelcaro | acu: so use tar or similar |
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| 04:52.04 | dondelelcaro | acu: or any other method which pays attention to the contents of the filesystem instead of just the filesystem itself |
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| 04:53.06 | Rusty1 | a read of the rsync manpage might be useful |
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| 05:01.27 | acu | so if I use tar - do I need to save some master boot record or whatever ? |
| 05:01.46 | chops1 | acu: I told you this before -- you'll just need to rerun grub-install when you restore |
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| 05:03.30 | acu | chops1: thanks again :) |
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| 05:15.06 | acu | it seems that this tar kicks some ass (sorry for the foul English - but it is so appropriate in here :) |
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| 05:18.23 | chops1 | Yes, this mysterious "tar" program -- I hear it comes from something called "Unix" :-) |
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| 05:27.20 | dark | acu, not a very important comment, but you could probably backup the partition itself by a) writing /dev/zero to a file in it until it is full, then deleting the file, and b) compressing it.. depending on the filesystem. but it's better to copy the files, with cp -a or rsync, to another partition (i'm doing that to an udf partition in a dvd+rw media, but it's slooow.. it's the first time i'm using dvd+rw, i must be doing something wrong). tar seems a |
| 05:27.20 | dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.12 | dark | actually, i am looking for reasons i'm writing at 154.60kB/s, it's taking forever.. |
| 05:29.04 | dark | i used --spartable=4 option in mkudffs without actually knowing if that was necessary |
| 05:29.08 | TomyLobo | that'd be 1.5 times my line's speed, dont complain :P |
| 05:29.18 | chops1 | dark: Are you actually copying to the dvd+rw, or creating an .iso which you're then burning? |
| 05:29.43 | TomyLobo | oh, writing to a CD? uh that sounds like you're writing at 1x CD speed |
| 05:29.48 | dark | i'm doing mount -t udf -o rw /dev/hda /mountpoint |
| 05:30.07 | dark | then, rsync -a .. .. /mountpoint |
| 05:30.14 | dark | hmmmm |
| 05:30.16 | chops1 | dark: /dev/hda being the disk? |
| 05:30.25 | dark | yes, being the dvd+rw |
| 05:30.41 | chops1 | dark: Random access on DVD is heinously slow... better to write to an .iso and then burn it linearly |
| 05:30.45 | dark | --spartable=4 says it implies "cd-rw".. |
| 05:31.14 | dark | chops1, yes... i once dropped the directory structure and saved a huge directory with each file named after its md5 |
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| 05:31.41 | chops1 | dark: Writing anything to a UDF filesystem like that is still random access I believe |
| 05:31.50 | dark | the access of what would be a directory became very slow |
| 05:31.56 | dark | yes, it does implement wear leveling |
| 05:32.14 | dark | i want a cheap backup system for some days |
| 05:32.36 | dark | i'm just hoping that only the first rsync will take forever |
| 05:33.29 | chops1 | I would do tar with incrementals to the DVD... that should be nice and fast. It'll be a little more difficult to restore, but do you really expect to restore all that often? |
| 05:33.54 | chops1 | Plus then you can use compression |
| 05:34.58 | dark | there is an way of doing this? but how? once I did tar -f /dev/.. something and.. it worked, but, how can I store another tar? tar -f - something >> /dev/.. ? |
| 05:35.13 | dark | and, how will I recover all the tars? |
| 05:35.15 | chops1 | tar c -f /mountpoint/blah.tar |
| 05:35.29 | dark | ah |
| 05:35.39 | dark | still using udf then? |
| 05:35.41 | chops1 | Still mount the DVD read/write, but just write a file front-to-back instead of rsync's random writes |
| 05:35.42 | dark | (yes, c) |
| 05:35.47 | chops1 | Yes, you can try that |
| 05:35.59 | chops1 | I would certainly expect that to be faster |
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| 05:36.57 | TomyLobo | i hate it when old package versions get stuck... |
| 05:37.06 | chops1 | TomyLobo: Stuck? |
| 05:37.28 | TomyLobo | package X depends on gcc-4.1 or gcc-4.4. |
| 05:37.43 | TomyLobo | aptitude doesnt notice i no longer need gcc-4.1 |
| 05:38.10 | hikenboot | hello can anyone tell me why applying a kernel patch using patch -p1 --verbose /<directory>/patchname.patch just hangs and does nothing? |
| 05:38.17 | dark | isn't gcc-4.1 being needed by other manually-installed package? |
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| 05:38.26 | chops1 | TomyLobo: Probably old etch upgrade compatibility which can go away... how about a wishlist bug against package X? |
| 05:38.30 | coldfire2122 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.46 | dark | coldfire2122, use ext3 then |
| 05:38.53 | TomyLobo | dark no, it was installed automatically at some point |
| 05:39.00 | chops1 | hikenboot: (a) You want patch < patchfile.patch, not patch patchfile.patch |
| 05:39.04 | TomyLobo | probably a package i removed since |
| 05:39.23 | chops1 | hikenboot: (b) If you're not clear how to use patch are you sure you should be patching your kernel? :-) |
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| 05:40.03 | hikenboot | thanks chops..your right my booboo need the patch though...know the end just not the means! |
| 05:40.08 | hikenboot | good night and thanks again! |
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| 05:40.55 | dark | coldfire2122, you can read ted ts'o blog about ext4, http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/ , he is using ext4 in his own laptop but he will not claim it is bug-free |
| 05:41.24 | dark | (in fact there were bugs found in ext4 that were present in ext3 too, so, ext3 isn't too) |
| 05:43.45 | coldfire2122 | dark: thanks |
| 05:44.13 | chrisf826 | i am curious does ben collins chat here sometimes? |
| 05:44.42 | dark | http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2008/06/30/ext4-is-now-the-primary-filesystem-on-my-laptop/ " I will be doing backups a bit more frequently until Iâm absolutely sure things are rock solid, though!", but that was like two years ago.. some distros are shipping it by default though |
| 05:44.51 | dark | who is ben collins? |
| 05:44.52 | chrisf826 | i have known him quite awhile and was looking for him |
| 05:45.00 | chrisf826 | dark: a member of the debian devel team |
| 05:45.21 | chrisf826 | one of the developers |
| 05:45.21 | dark | some debian developers will prefer the other network |
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| 05:45.48 | chrisf826 | wich is? |
| 05:46.20 | dark | hmm.. http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ , the official #debian channel moved there i.. think |
| 05:46.37 | chrisf826 | thanks :) |
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| 05:47.02 | coldfire2122 | dark: what do you use? |
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| 05:47.27 | dark | here? ext2.. with noatime, /tmp (and some other directories) in a tmpfs.. |
| 05:47.34 | dark | i'm on a usb pen drive |
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| 05:48.00 | dark | i used reiserfs and lost data |
| 05:48.54 | dark | coldfire2122, but in fact the awesome thing linux has is lvm, for me |
| 05:49.16 | dark | i would like to use zfs, i hope oracle will release the code to linux kernel, there is no point for them to compete with linux, they have their own distro.. |
| 05:49.59 | dark | but ext3 + lvm + dmcrypt + luks seems a nice setup to me ^^ |
| 05:51.00 | sauvin | sun has a distro? |
| 05:51.21 | tharkun | OpenSolaris |
| 05:51.30 | sauvin | Not a distro. |
| 05:51.33 | dark | unbreakable linux |
| 05:51.43 | tharkun | thats oracles |
| 05:51.49 | dark | oracle bought sun o.o |
| 05:52.02 | tharkun | dooh |
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| 05:52.27 | dark | *sun* had reasons to compete with linux folks, but oracle shouldn't ._. |
| 05:54.11 | DogBoy | heh, I remember predictions of the demise of linux when solaris was made more open |
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| 05:57.30 | nsadmin | oracle is trying to compete? with what? |
| 05:57.34 | laurus | What does the command "due" do? |
| 05:57.44 | nsadmin | doodoo? |
| 05:57.47 | TomyLobo | tried "man due"? |
| 05:58.00 | laurus | No manual entry for due |
| 05:58.06 | nsadmin | same here |
| 05:58.32 | nsadmin | I also don't have a command due |
| 05:58.57 | nsadmin | at least not an executable file in my $PATH |
| 05:58.57 | laurus | Just thought someone might recognize it. Thanks :) |
| 05:59.05 | dark | if you have apt-file, or the 'command not found' handler of bash, it could be simple to found. or.. hmm.. maybe packages.debian.org can help? |
| 05:59.11 | nsadmin | , file due |
| 05:59.13 | judd | due in lenny/i386: wims-modules: var/lib/wims/public_html/modules/H3/stat/docstat.fr/doc/1/src/etendue; mcl: usr/bin/clmresidue |
| 05:59.35 | dark | ^^ |
| 05:59.57 | dark | , file sh |
| 05:59.57 | laurus | :P |
| 06:00.01 | judd | sh in lenny/i386: spong-client: usr/share/spong/Spong/Network/plugins/check_ssh; gnustep-make: usr/share/GNUstep/Makefiles/install-sh, usr/share/GNUstep/Makefiles/print_unique_pathlist.sh, usr/share/GNUstep/Makefiles/relative_path.sh, usr/share/GNUstep/Makefiles/strip_makefiles.sh; libltdl3-dev: usr/share/libtool/libltdl/install-sh, usr/share/libtool/libltdl/ltmain.sh; libmesh0.6.2-dev: (51 more messages) |
| 06:00.03 | nsadmin | is that cool or what :) |
| 06:00.22 | laurus | Heh, yeah. |
| 06:00.22 | nsadmin | themill showed it off yesterday |
| 06:00.40 | TomyLobo | i get kspaceDUEl :) |
| 06:02.18 | DogBoy | what is that? on topic spam? |
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| 06:15.48 | NeoLobster | If configuring package sysv-rc is saying "package X is removed but not purged" how do I make the package be "purged" without re-installing it. Specifically, if I try to purge mysql-server-5.0, it auto-selects mysql-server-5.1 and I can't purge 5.0 with apt-get remove --purge or with apt-get purge. |
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| 06:17.50 | NeoLobster | never mind... dpkg --purge did it. |
| 06:17.54 | NeoLobster | so many idlers |
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| 06:23.49 | parmaster | hah 791 |
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| 06:25.52 | TomyLobo | does knetworkmanager work for anyone here in squeeze or sid? |
| 06:26.19 | TomyLobo | well the network-manager-kde package |
| 06:26.30 | TomyLobo | which contains plasma-widget-networkmanagement now |
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| 06:38.17 | nvz | TomyLobo: I was just saying it today when I was at a clients house and removed network-manager entirely.. Network manager is a steaming pile of dung.. I installed wicd from backports to replace it.. and do in nearly all scenarios except when I'm lazy and am 99.9% sure the machine will use nothing other than DHCP and ethernet for a 100% standard LAN connection. |
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| 06:47.37 | nvz | its aweful dead in here tonight. |
| 06:52.44 | nervousTwitch | going crazy trying to ssh into a puppy linux box... time to break down and buy more ram and just install debian |
| 06:52.58 | nvz | heh. |
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| 06:55.22 | nvz | I was just telling my client that today... buy more ram! His machine came with Vista and 512mb. ugh. That kinda shit should be illegal. Now I've got debian on there, and had to also pu VirtualBox and WinXP on cause he fools a lot with MyspaceIM, YahooIM, and AIM, not to mention has an iPhone and needs iTunes. He has pidgin, but it doesn't support video chat or anything and none of these places have linux clients anymore. They tried for awhile |
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| 06:56.33 | streuner_ | There are people who like pain :-P |
| 06:56.50 | nvz | Running WinXP with only 128MB of ram inside a VM on top of another OS that only has 384MB remaining for the host IS pain... thats for sure |
| 06:57.14 | streuner_ | Vista and 512mb too :-) |
| 06:57.24 | nvz | but since he was so dumb to PAY for the virus he had when he first called me, I couldn't let him keep windows as his host OS |
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| 06:59.10 | nvz | I told him, when you get paid, set aside like $30 to order 1GB of ram for this damn thing, so you can give windows and linux each 512MB and it will run much smoother |
| 06:59.55 | nvz | I seriously think its downright ignorant though and should be illegal for these f'n stores to sell machines with hardware that they know damn well is BELOW the MINIMUM requirements for the OS they install |
| 07:00.44 | streuner_ | my laptop came with vista and 512 MB... |
| 07:01.26 | nvz | my netbook came with XP and 1gb ffs |
| 07:01.26 | streuner_ | installed by manufactor, it was a mistake by default... |
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| 07:02.53 | nvz | you figure as OEM system builders it couldn't cost them more than $5 to just put that minimum required RAM in there, and they're making hundreds to thousands on the sale.. its not gonna break their bank. |
| 07:03.30 | wastrel | crucial.com |
| 07:03.36 | nvz | I mean yeah, its going to cause the consumer issues and they will end up buying another computer eventually cause they're stupid.. but its gonna make them think your brand sucks |
| 07:04.16 | nvz | all cause you didn't read the minimum requirements of the OS mfg, and install that extra $5 worth of ram |
| 07:04.26 | \amethyst | nvz: or it's going to make them think that Vista sucks, and since that's a pretty common meme anyway... |
| 07:06.14 | nvz | IDK I stress to everyone I meet especially those that call me for tech stuff.. DO NOT SHOP FOR TECHNOLOGY ALONE, call for a consultation. What they put in big bold print on the stickers at the store is shit like 2GHZ, 500GB..etc shit that seems good to the average half-wit to reel you in |
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| 07:07.07 | nvz | what they don't tell you is that they went with the drives that spin 3000rpm slower, have half the cache, a processor that has a crippled instruction set, and 1/4th the cache.. ram that is the lowest possible bus rate that architecture supports..etc |
| 07:07.12 | streuner_ | \amethyst: nah, windows cannot suck to some customers..., its usually the fault of the manufactor .-P |
| 07:07.22 | nvz | then they get these things home and wonder why the fuck they run like crap |
| 07:08.47 | streuner_ | \amethyst: to be fair, GNOME with this laptop and 512 MB running iceweasel is a nightmare too... |
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| 07:09.49 | nvz | I dont understand why my machines all use under 150MB of ram booted to gnome with nothing running, and most my clients machines I find are using 200-300MB or so to do the same thing half the time |
| 07:11.16 | nvz | might be because I have 128MB video cards in these dekstops.. idk.. machines with shared vram/system ram might cause that |
| 07:13.11 | nvz | at any rate, on the IW thing, I've been using chrome ever since it released for linux. seems to use far less memory. THough its not nearly as snappy as the windows version of chrome |
| 07:14.10 | nvz | You can click on Firefox on most windows machines, whistle a tune, then click on chrome and it will still open up first and use 1/10th the memory to load the same page |
| 07:15.26 | freaky[t] | what is better, sshguard or fail2ban? |
| 07:15.30 | freaky[t] | or should i run both? |
| 07:16.26 | nvz | the fact that you would ask such a question means that you're one of those people who still is under the impression security is like a guard dog you can buy and chain up to your trailor. |
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| 07:16.56 | nvz | Security is an idea at best.. it needs to be thought of, put into practice, audited, modified, audited, and repeated.. |
| 07:17.08 | nvz | there is not a brand named type threat out there that never changes |
| 07:17.40 | nvz | the "hackers" don't just install a neat program like fail2ban to hack your shit and never change.. so why should you do such a thing? |
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| 07:21.08 | mobidev | hi |
| 07:21.38 | nvz | mobidev: not yet, but I'm working on it.. |
| 07:21.59 | nvz | heh.. yeah right.. I wish. Its that boring.. |
| 07:22.09 | bashu | I'm from India..... |
| 07:22.23 | nvz | bashu: I'm from vagina..... |
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| 07:23.05 | bashu | nvz: that doesn't deserve a response.... |
| 07:23.21 | nvz | neither did what you said really.. but we both gave one. |
| 07:23.47 | bashu | nvz: but 1 thing u deserve that place |
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| 07:23.54 | nvz | it always cracks me up when my father says something to me like, "Where did you come from?" and I'm like "Uh... I think you where there!" |
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| 07:24.38 | JosephM | I am confused, I am trying to see what all I need for Ardour to run in debian, and I need jack, but the package manager says jack is to rip cd's and ardour cannot find jack..... |
| 07:24.38 | bashu | nvz: ok...leave it for God's sake.. |
| 07:24.57 | beardy | It's all natural to him, don't worry. |
| 07:25.05 | nvz | its been over an hour with nothing ON TOPIC being said here.. I'm sitting here waiting for an issue |
| 07:25.12 | \amethyst | JosephM: jackd is what ardour needs |
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| 07:25.26 | beardy | freaky[t]'s question was on topic. |
| 07:25.40 | nvz | not really. he wanted to know what was "best" |
| 07:25.42 | JosephM | ah, I thank you \amethyst |
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| 07:25.56 | nvz | which is an opinion poll |
| 07:26.01 | \amethyst | JosephM: it's unfortunate that there are two things called "jack", but it happens |
| 07:26.10 | bashu | ok...can u say where to find the boot time messages....in which file? |
| 07:26.12 | DogBoy | only two |
| 07:26.15 | nvz | and when it comes to security YMMV and you need to try things and audit them. |
| 07:26.23 | JosephM | yep, been there with xmms |
| 07:26.26 | beardy | freaky[t]: Use strong passwords and don't allow root logins. I don't know what sshguard uses to do its thing. Try them both and see which you prefer. |
| 07:26.34 | krion | hey guys |
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| 07:26.37 | nvz | bashu: /var/log/dmesg |
| 07:26.50 | krion | bashu: dmesg |
| 07:26.55 | bashu | nvz: thanks |
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| 07:27.08 | \amethyst | Perhaps I can rephrase the question: "What are the advantages and disadvantages of sshguard vs fail2ban for blocking ssh bruteforce attempts?" |
| 07:27.31 | krion | i just compiled a fresh custom kernel, but at boot time, i don't have /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 07:27.38 | krion | hence the system complain and won't boot |
| 07:27.41 | nvz | krion: a boot script makes a copy of that into /var/log/dmesg at boot. otherwise the kernel buffer is overwritten by messages as the system remains running. |
| 07:28.11 | krion | nvz: ok |
| 07:28.22 | wols | nvz: how can you write a log to a place you can't mount? |
| 07:28.41 | wols | krion: does your kernel have a initrd? |
| 07:28.41 | nvz | wols: haha, you're worse than me |
| 07:29.00 | krion | wols: i guess so yes... |
| 07:29.03 | beardy | About the same, just att different times. |
| 07:29.10 | nvz | touche |
| 07:29.10 | wols | you guess, you mean you don't have a clue |
| 07:29.24 | krion | i have an initrd yes |
| 07:31.12 | krion | looks like it's loaded ok since i got an initramfs prompt and i'm able to ls /dev and cat /proc/modules |
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| 07:31.47 | wols | krion: what is your kernel line? |
| 07:32.11 | krion | that's where i see that i don't have /dev/disk/by-uuid (and i see know that it don't see partition from the drive, only see the drive) |
| 07:32.46 | krion | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.02 | wols | if you don't see partitions, check if you have compiled in the proper partitiontable format |
| 07:33.06 | bashu | nvz: at boot time , it says "loading linux kernel....."...Which file displays that message? |
| 07:33.14 | nvz | krion: you use just UUID= not root=UUID= IIRC |
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| 07:33.21 | krion | should i try to s!*UUID!/dev/sdx! |
| 07:33.27 | wols | krion: what debian is this? |
| 07:33.29 | \amethyst | bashu: none, that happens before Linux starts |
| 07:33.31 | nvz | bashu: not logging at that point, thats the bootloader doing that |
| 07:34.02 | beardy | bashu: If you use GRUB, which is very likely, GRUB does. |
| 07:34.26 | bashu | beardy: yes I'm using grub |
| 07:34.33 | nvz | bashu: first kernel message is usually something like "[ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-21lenny3) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 |
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| 07:34.56 | wols | nvz: first message is "uncompressing kernel" |
| 07:34.58 | nvz | bashu: or your kernel initializiing its cgroups for hyperthreading/multicores etc |
| 07:35.14 | nvz | wols: that never gets logged smart ass |
| 07:35.42 | nvz | it never makes it into the kernel's buffer to be logged |
| 07:35.43 | krion | wols: it's an homemade sid i try to tune up |
| 07:35.55 | krion | wols: i will look around the partitiontable stuff |
| 07:36.02 | wols | krion: I am skeptical. so do what you want |
| 07:37.33 | nvz | krion: yes, I just checked my grub configuration.. its definately UUID=, you omit the root= entirely when using UUIDs or else it will not boot |
| 07:38.31 | nvz | that was my first inclination too was to do root=UUID=foo cause the documentation is not very specific in that area.. and it did not work that way |
| 07:38.33 | bashu | nvz: the word linux seems to be incomplete, or it is displayed so....like this.....inux kernel loading ..something like that....any problem in that display and why? |
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| 07:38.59 | nvz | bashu: you mean during boot you see it like that? |
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| 07:39.13 | bashu | nvz: yes |
| 07:40.16 | beardy | bashu: Does it boot successfully? |
| 07:40.30 | nvz | bashu: no, I haven't really got any idea why that would happen short of your monitor having some kind of display mode memory and it being misaligned in the default display mode until the kernel framebuffer kicks in (i.e. in the display mode its in during/prior to grub its shifted off to one side, then the display mode changes and it is normal. |
| 07:40.37 | beardy | bashu: If yes, then your monitor is probably unsynced. |
| 07:40.40 | nvz | bashu: either way if it boots, its not an issue |
| 07:40.51 | krion | i didn't enable PC Bios support so may be that's what i miss |
| 07:40.53 | JosephM | \amethyst found jackd, thanks for the input |
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| 07:41.42 | nvz | throws his hands up at the fact that he's said twice now that a kernel will not boot with root=UUID= on the kernel command line |
| 07:41.51 | krion | ok ok sorry :) |
| 07:41.53 | nvz | plays Black by Pearl Jam and takes "...a walk outside...", to see what the weather is like |
| 07:42.05 | krion | i'll remove thet root= |
| 07:42.09 | bashu | nvz: thanks |
| 07:42.12 | krion | done. |
| 07:42.26 | nvz | that may not be your only problem, but thats def gonna make it fail to find the root fs |
| 07:42.50 | bashu | nvz: another doubt..when I executed the command....sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.53-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-2.6.33 |
| 07:42.56 | wols | http://www.google.com/search?q=menu.lst+%22root%3Duuid%3D%22 |
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| 07:43.13 | JosephM | \amethyst found jackd, thanks for the input |
| 07:43.26 | nvz | bashu: did you at least give the debian packages for the nvidia drivers a try before doing that? |
| 07:43.32 | bashu | ERROR: Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in '/usr/src/linux-2.6.33'. Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel and that they are properly configured; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you have the 'kernel-source' or 'kernel-devel' RPM installed. If you know the |
| 07:43.34 | JosephM | I thought I just said that |
| 07:43.38 | bashu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.41 | JosephM | have a good night later |
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| 07:43.45 | wols | bashu: #nvidia |
| 07:43.51 | krion | i've to said that it's a grub2 |
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| 07:44.53 | bashu | nvz: which r the debian pkgs required for nvdia installation? |
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| 07:45.12 | nvz | bashu: also if it were me I'd try putting a trailing slash on there.. as in /usr/src/linux-2.6.33/ just to see what happens but it sounds like it knows there is source in there, just that it cant determine the version which means thats not likely the problem |
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| 07:45.43 | nvz | bashu: usually you need a nvidia-kernel-foo package where "foo" is your kernel version, and the nvidia-glx, and nvidia-common |
| 07:46.14 | nvz | bashu: if you are not using a debian kernel then you need to install the nvidia-kernel-sources or whatever that package is called and compile the module the debian way |
| 07:46.19 | nvz | !nvidia |
| 07:46.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 07:46.24 | ssansen | sa |
| 07:46.44 | mobidev | !ati |
| 07:46.44 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>, <mach64>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 07:46.45 | nvz | bashu: you can /msg dpkg about any of those things.. i.e. /msg dpkg nvidia m-a |
| 07:46.50 | nvz | for more information |
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| 07:47.19 | mobidev | !radeonhd |
| 07:47.19 | dpkg | [radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx (since version 1.2.2) family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:47.26 | wols | !tell mobidev about msgthebot |
| 07:47.32 | nvz | mobidev: please message the bot, nobody was talking about ATI here |
| 07:47.58 | mobidev | ok |
| 07:48.22 | pallgone | ok, I found out what causes the misbehaving nxclient no squeeze, it's the intel gfx driver |
| 07:48.33 | pallgone | s/no/on |
| 07:48.46 | nvz | ah.. we're playing blame intel? I could go on all night.. heh |
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| 07:49.42 | nvz | I should make a board game called blame intel, hell I could make a series of board games, blame microsoft, blame canada... |
| 07:49.47 | nvz | wanders outside for a few |
| 07:50.25 | krion | nvz: you don't like canada ? |
| 07:50.37 | pallgone | nvz: well... all in all intel does not a bad job, I mean... they could also just not support linux at all |
| 07:50.53 | nvz | of course not, I'm an american.. I hate everyone.. its my freedom and my right.. lol |
| 07:51.20 | krion | talk about it, i'm french |
| 07:52.09 | pallgone | bonjour |
| 07:52.18 | nvz | seriously though I hate my own country and its hypocracies more than anything. but thats not really on topic. |
| 07:52.22 | krion | too bad you sed s/french/liberty/ fries |
| 07:52.38 | nvz | haha |
| 07:52.48 | krion | yes, but you got jennifer anniston |
| 07:52.50 | krion | anyway |
| 07:53.02 | nvz | its freedom fries I believe, not liberty fries |
| 07:53.04 | mobidev | ж) |
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| 07:53.39 | nvz | I like the good ol quote.. if crime fighters fight crime, and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? |
| 07:53.57 | nvz | was George Carlin, rest his soul, the poor funny bastard |
| 07:53.57 | krion | nice |
| 07:54.21 | jm | I miss carlin already |
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| 07:55.27 | sri1 | hi all... |
| 07:55.51 | sri1 | help me howto connec bsnl wll phone in debian |
| 07:55.54 | sri1 | ? |
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| 08:00.26 | sri1 | Can anyone please tell me how to connect internet in debian through BSNL WLL modem? |
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| 08:05.25 | AndreasS | sri1, i have no idea, i dont even know what bsnl is |
| 08:06.14 | sri1 | AndreasS: :BSNL is an ISP in india.. |
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| 08:06.33 | krion | india |
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| 08:06.52 | krion | i see plenty of indian's ips... in my mailserver |
| 08:07.01 | AndreasS | oh thats why i didnt know ;) |
| 08:07.16 | krion | trough i don't know any guys in india |
| 08:07.17 | sri1 | krion: Can anyone please tell me how to connect internet in debian through BSNL WLL modem? |
| 08:07.37 | AndreasS | ppp? |
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| 08:08.03 | sri1 | AndreasS: Its not working ...i tried it.. |
| 08:08.17 | robbe- | Hello, anyone know a good video editing tool that's in the debian repositories? (my intent is to chop up movies so I can cut out the pieces I want). |
| 08:08.47 | AndreasS | sri1, i havent used a modem or any ppp in ages, have no idea how its done =/ |
| 08:08.52 | robbe- | I'll add that a GUI would be preferred. |
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| 08:09.29 | Devastator | sri1 which x window are you using? |
| 08:09.41 | sri1 | AndreasS: ok..thanks for your replies..Waiting an for anyone who have used it or using it currently.. |
| 08:09.48 | nodrog1952 | Robbe: Try Cinelerra |
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| 08:09.51 | nodrog1952 | http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#apt |
| 08:10.15 | robbe- | nodrog1952: Thanks for the tip, I'll try it out right away. |
| 08:10.22 | sri1 | Devastator: Now i m in windows xp service pack 2 and using this net.. |
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| 08:10.46 | Devastator | sri1 yes, but in debian, which one are you using? |
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| 08:11.46 | sri1 | Devastator: 2.68.. something |
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| 08:12.54 | Devastator | sri1 is it gnome? kde? xfce? lxde? |
| 08:12.59 | krion | Linux sc-laptop 2.6.32.3 #1 SMP Sun Feb 28 08:55:52 CET 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:13.04 | krion | woot \o/ |
| 08:13.09 | sri1 | Devastator: gnome |
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| 08:13.46 | wols | sri1: what do you use in windows? |
| 08:13.47 | krion | it's booting at least five time faster as a stock kernel, no kidding |
| 08:14.01 | robbe- | nodrog1952: I have some dependency problems on debian squeeze x86_64. I hope I can fix them. :-) |
| 08:14.05 | krion | my productivity would gain an huge benefits |
| 08:14.06 | Devastator | sri1 and at windows what do you do to connect to the internet? |
| 08:14.13 | wols | krion: you need to get your sense of time examined |
| 08:14.28 | krion | ;-) |
| 08:14.52 | krion | no it's really faster |
| 08:15.09 | robbe- | nodrog1952: For example liblame0 is replaced by libmp3lame0, but cinelerra depends on the former. |
| 08:15.13 | krion | but without bootcharts it would be hard to compare |
| 08:15.43 | wols | ,versions liblame0 |
| 08:15.44 | krion | even with bootchart not sure i'll see the time i win before fs mounted |
| 08:15.44 | judd | liblame0 -- etch-multimedia: 3.97-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 3.97-0.0 |
| 08:15.53 | krion | (oh dear, how bad is my english...) |
| 08:15.55 | wols | robbe-: there is your answer |
| 08:16.05 | sri1 | Devastator: Bsnl has given some software ..which installs itself and gets connected ....creating shortcut in connect of Start button of windows.. |
| 08:16.30 | Devastator | sri1 do you enter any login and password? |
| 08:16.49 | wols | sri1: why didn't you google? |
| 08:16.57 | wols | Devastator: it is pppoe |
| 08:17.32 | Devastator | wols damn complicated isps |
| 08:17.44 | robbe- | wols: I take you imply adding a lenny-multimedia repository? |
| 08:17.56 | sri1 | wols: I googling it from days....At last I m here.. |
| 08:18.22 | sri1 | Devastator: It doesnt even ask any password or user names.. |
| 08:18.33 | wols | sri1: I did a single googling for bsnl linux and the answer was on the first hit |
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| 08:18.57 | Devastator | wols sounds like a 3g internet or kind of.. |
| 08:19.46 | wols | ok, wll modem is a rebranded huawei 3g stick, yes |
| 08:19.57 | nodrog1952 | Try adding the debian multimedia repositories from here and try again: |
| 08:19.59 | nodrog1952 | http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 08:20.02 | wols | so one needs to google for bsnl wll linux instead |
| 08:20.20 | wols | robbe-: you run squeeze so you are supposed to know yourself |
| 08:20.28 | AndreasS | Guys, what debian are you using? I've been using Slackware for ages, then ubuntu for its simple style. Been using linux as desktop last 8 years so i'm not a noob. I Installed squeeze, is that a good choice? As I understand it it will be like a 'rolling' release until squeeze is stable and that will take a while, i guess? |
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| 08:20.30 | wols | robbe-: but just asking about lenny shows a lot |
| 08:20.37 | sri1 | wols: I followed the whole procedure..but its not getting at the end |
| 08:20.39 | wols | !tell AndreasS about polls |
| 08:20.45 | wols | AndreasS: do not do them |
| 08:20.58 | Devastator | sri1 have you called your isp? |
| 08:21.08 | wols | squeeze will be continously updated until it is frozen |
| 08:21.34 | wols | Devastator: which ISP supports linux... Especially one that gives you a windows app to connect |
| 08:21.53 | wols | AndreasS: people new to debian are advised to run stable |
| 08:22.13 | sri1 | Devastator: No..Ours local fellows didnt jnow ..what is linux.. |
| 08:22.18 | Devastator | wols I've founded an "yahoo answer" saying the isp will guide |
| 08:22.35 | Devastator | and here's the link: http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211230436AASh9Iy |
| 08:22.43 | AndreasS | wols, ofcourse - but i'm not new to linux as such, and i'm familiar with dpkg |
| 08:23.36 | wols | AndreasS: your question you just asked clearly proves you are not familiar with debian at all |
| 08:23.57 | wols | sri1: http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/07/step-by-step-procedure-to-set-up-your.html |
| 08:24.49 | sri1 | wols: thanks..see you again in linux connection.. |
| 08:24.53 | AndreasS | wols, thank you - i said linux as such, from using Slackware in ages and Ubuntu last 2 years. I know its testing, and its getting stable. But i dont know how long its going to be testing or when its going to freeze |
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| 08:25.24 | wols | AndreasS: no one does |
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| 08:25.45 | robbe- | wols: I do not understand why using lenny implies knowing these aspects, I'm still learning about this. Incidentally this means also that I already tried what I understood from your suggestion, but installing liblame0 will degrade a lot of other packages I have installed, so I take it's either downgrading them, or not using cinelerra? (A third option would be to play the waiting game, unfortunately it's not an option for me currently.) Unless you can maybe |
| 08:25.54 | AndreasS | wols, i take it, its years? or a year atleast? |
| 08:26.08 | wols | robbe-: no, using squeeze implies knowing. robbe-> nodrog1952: I have some dependency problems on debian squeeze x86_64. |
| 08:26.21 | wols | AndreasS: have you read the factoid? |
| 08:26.31 | AndreasS | no |
| 08:26.42 | wols | *sigh* |
| 08:26.56 | AndreasS | wols, why the attitude? |
| 08:27.02 | robbe- | wols: Sorry, of course I meant squeeze. |
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| 08:27.42 | wols | AndreasS: cause you are lazy but expect us to answer your questions. that is usually considered a tad impolite |
| 08:27.52 | robbe- | AndreasS: Because he encouters a lot of people who expect him to do their work. |
| 08:27.59 | wols | I mean why ask us if you don't read the answers? |
| 08:28.26 | robbe- | Oh look, I got it right. Seems it happens a lot online. :-) (Not the me being right part, sadly.) |
| 08:28.28 | Devastator | robbe- because squeeze is not stable, and people who wants latest packages with stability should use lenny with backported packages, squeeze is for people who knows what is doing, at least is what they told me |
| 08:28.36 | wols | robbe-: this should answer your question: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 08:28.44 | wols | robbe-: and if you still don't get it, run lenny. NOW |
| 08:28.50 | nsadmin | robbe-:it doesn't, but since lenny is stable, less problems happen and so people don't have to deal with them |
| 08:30.02 | nsadmin | if you're not so experienced, maybe you can't solve smaller problems and come here |
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| 08:30.25 | AndreasS | wols, oh please, there is no work to be done, i have already set up my squeeze system, configured it with my dns cache server and nfs server. Recompiled the kernel for some extra drivers. And it was a simple question. Its more than a tad impolite to answer 'rtfm!!11' |
| 08:30.44 | wols | puts the moron on ignore |
| 08:32.29 | AndreasS | wols - and if you didnt want to answer, just dont do it. |
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| 08:33.00 | Devastator | AndreasS he's only saying such information is on the website and if people read more, will reduce the questioning, making the channel more organized and free for "real problems" |
| 08:33.12 | Devastator | at least is what I understood.. |
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| 08:33.45 | wols | Devastator: I answered him two times explicitly to his question. nevermind that what you said is in the channel rules (try to answer the question by oneself first) |
| 08:34.00 | wols | which he of course didn't do |
| 08:34.16 | robbe- | Well, experience has to be gained somewhere. I also like pointers to answers better than direct answers for this reason. I don't see how running lenny will help gaining experience with solving problems like these though, as people seem to be implying they are completely absent there. |
| 08:34.39 | wols | robbe-: yes, it's gained in stable. and there is a reason why this channel is for stable ONLY |
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| 08:35.10 | wols | if people on stable have a problem we usually help,e.g. by telling them how to backport (which involves resolving dependency conflicts) |
| 08:35.10 | AndreasS | Devastator, yes. I can understand that. I just cant understand this 'rtfm' thing some linux users are throwing around when questions are asked. And since i can see there is more than just hardcore support going around in the channel - some simple chat aswell, i thought it was no big deal. |
| 08:35.20 | wols | if people know how to do this in stable, then they can use testing |
| 08:35.38 | robbe- | There, it's installed. Thanks wols. |
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| 08:36.23 | Devastator | robbe- lenny will make you more familiar with linux itself, you will start to know your computer devices and after that you are probably good to go for an unstable version, if someone with no experience starts to ask question about a problem, it can confuse people about bugs and such.. |
| 08:36.27 | DogBoy | AndreasS, did you have some question or something |
| 08:36.34 | robbe- | wols: Ah, sorry about asking questions about squeeze, I was unaware this channel is intended for stable only. |
| 08:36.36 | DogBoy | or are you just blowing off some steam |
| 08:37.07 | wols | robbe-: we do answer testing questions too, but it's not what the channel is for |
| 08:37.34 | AndreasS | DogBoy, heh no, i actually said i just migrated to debian, been using slackware for ages and ubuntu last 2 years. Asking you guys if squeeze is the right thing to go |
| 08:37.49 | DogBoy | so you have some vague kind of question |
| 08:38.24 | robbe- | Anyway, the problem was that I added the repository mentioned on the cinelerra site before checking it was in the multimedia repositories. I think the rest can be reconstructed from there. :-) |
| 08:38.24 | DogBoy | I think wols answered you that no it was not the right thing to do |
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| 08:38.31 | nsadmin | scrolls back to see how that question was asked |
| 08:39.03 | AndreasS | DogBoy, as in a standard answer - i can understand why totaly newcommers shouldnt use testing. |
| 08:39.06 | Devastator | AndreasS my opinion, I don't mean to judge or anything, but if you have studied debian versions you should answer this question yourself |
| 08:39.23 | wols | robbe-: is there no kino in debian? and I recently read about a new one as well for kde (kde4 probably tho) which apparently has priomise.name eludes me at the moment |
| 08:39.26 | DogBoy | AndreasS, what's the point of asking a question and arguing with the answer? |
| 08:39.53 | WormFood | AndreasS, squeeze is also known as "testing"....if you're comfortable with Linux, and fixing things when they break, then go for testing or unstable (I personally prefer unstable, but currently run testing on my main machine) |
| 08:39.57 | AndreasS | Devastator, i didnt study debian versions more than its testing, and more stable than sid. |
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| 08:40.15 | phix | hey |
| 08:40.27 | AndreasS | DogBoy, he was impolite (*sigh*) and such.. |
| 08:40.35 | phix | How do I uninstall Debian? I tried going through Control Panel, Add remove Programs, but I can't see it there |
| 08:40.57 | DogBoy | AndreasS, I don't see that |
| 08:41.01 | AndreasS | WormFood, thank you :) then i made the right choice yesterday when I installed squeeze then |
| 08:41.02 | WormFood | phix, format c: |
| 08:41.05 | wols | robbe-: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/guides/2010/01/video-editing-in-linux-a-look-at-pitivi-and-kdenlive.ars |
| 08:41.10 | AndreasS | DogBoy, scroll up |
| 08:41.13 | phix | WormFood: what? |
| 08:41.15 | DogBoy | I read it |
| 08:41.26 | cahoot | phix: debian doesn't come with a suicide app |
| 08:41.29 | phix | WormFood: WIll that uninstall Debian? |
| 08:41.32 | robbe- | wols: Yes, kino is indeed available. I will try that one aswell and see which one appeals me most. Could you be talking about kdenlive for your other suggestion? |
| 08:41.33 | Devastator | phix you can install your new OS above debian |
| 08:41.35 | WormFood | you asked how to uninstall Debian |
| 08:41.40 | robbe- | Darn, I type too slow. :-) |
| 08:41.52 | wols | phix: debian is a full OS, same as windows. you can only delete the partition it is on (but if you do make sure you don't ues grub in the mbr) |
| 08:42.09 | robbe- | Okay, thanks for the tips, I'll see which one appeals me the most. |
| 08:42.13 | WormFood | fdisk /mbr will write a new MBR to the hard drive |
| 08:42.23 | Devastator | phix sounds like you are trolling :P |
| 08:42.26 | phix | Partition? A friend installed it for me and then told me to come on MIRC if I need help removing it |
| 08:42.39 | nsadmin | the first response was "don't do polls", which clearly shows he didn't read and understand the question completely before responding |
| 08:42.44 | wols | phix: best ask the friend, not us |
| 08:43.07 | phix | I mean I would use it, but it doesn't work, I cant log into it, all I get is a black screen, and when I try and type in my pasword word it is like my keyboard is broken |
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| 08:43.55 | robbe- | Passwords in terminals are generally not echoed at all. Your keyboard does work. |
| 08:44.04 | wols | phix: what version of linux did your friend install? at the place you can enter the paswsword, what is there written on screen? |
| 08:44.18 | Devastator | phix didn't your friend gave you a few lessons for using it? |
| 08:44.19 | nsadmin | what do you mean your keyboard is broken? |
| 08:44.19 | phix | wols: I don't remember |
| 08:44.27 | phix | wols: it just asked for a username and password |
| 08:44.46 | wols | phix: until you do, we cannot help you. and no, there is more written there than just that. |
| 08:44.53 | phix | and when I tried to put the password in it didn't come up on the screen |
| 08:44.59 | \amethyst | that's normal |
| 08:45.01 | phix | wols: I don't know |
| 08:45.09 | phix | wols: I am not in it |
| 08:45.09 | \amethyst | I think maybe your friend is an asshole |
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| 08:45.24 | nsadmin | nothing happens if you try the password |
| 08:45.25 | Devastator | I think phix is a troll |
| 08:45.27 | wols | phix: well, we told you how to remove it as you asked. that's all we can do with the information you gave us so far |
| 08:45.37 | nsadmin | btw, did this friend give you the passwords? |
| 08:45.43 | phix | no no no I am the asshole actually :P I just wanted to see what response I would get if I asked those questions here :P |
| 08:45.46 | phix | wols: <3 |
| 08:45.51 | phix | Devastator: :) |
| 08:45.53 | wols | Devastator: it is very likely, yes. but so far he didn't overdo it. only if he continues he will |
| 08:45.56 | phix | I am over it |
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| 08:46.23 | phix | wols: :) yes yes yes, I am over it |
| 08:46.31 | wols | !sunday |
| 08:46.31 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 08:46.35 | phix | I Messed up when I said login, most noobs dont know that term |
| 08:46.40 | wols | tardsday indeed |
| 08:46.41 | phix | :) |
| 08:46.57 | wols | phix: do you have a debian related REAL question or problem? |
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| 08:47.02 | nsadmin | "I just wanted to see what response" <-- this is the definition of "troll" |
| 08:47.08 | DogBoy | gosh dpkg is so clever |
| 08:47.13 | phix | actually the questions I was asking here is what ppl ask me :S just wanted to see what response I got from an actual Debian channel |
| 08:47.23 | phix | nsadmin: mh |
| 08:47.24 | phix | meh |
| 08:47.29 | phix | lets Debian |
| 08:47.33 | phix | apt-get and such |
| 08:48.26 | Devastator | I have to say you are funny, really (NOT) |
| 08:48.43 | wols | Devastator: now that he admitted what he is: don't feed |
| 08:48.45 | phix | yes yes, not use of an inverse statement |
| 08:48.45 | phix | gg |
| 08:48.51 | phix | not = nice |
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| 08:53.48 | b4ha | hi everyone there |
| 08:54.06 | acu | OK I have rescued with partimage - but I need to give some command for grub installation - can anyone tell me again what it is |
| 08:54.19 | wols | acu: man grub-install |
| 08:55.15 | phix | hi b4ha |
| 08:55.29 | phix | acu: sure mate, you type in su then grub |
| 08:55.41 | acu | wols: I have the following message : GRUB Loading - Welcome to Grub Entering rescue mode Error: the symbol "grub_puts_' not found |
| 08:55.45 | phix | then device (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 08:55.51 | phix | then root (hd0,0) |
| 08:55.55 | phix | then setup (hd0) |
| 08:55.56 | b4ha | i have a very simple question, my /etc/resolv.conf change after every reload system, i have Debian 5.03 installed |
| 08:55.56 | phix | then quit |
| 08:56.06 | wols | b4ha: change how? |
| 08:56.10 | phix | replace sda with hda if you have IDE or sdb if it is the 2nd sata drive |
| 08:56.26 | themill | b4ha: do you use dhcp for your network configuration? |
| 08:56.31 | wols | acu: grub or grub2? |
| 08:56.32 | b4ha | no |
| 08:56.45 | b4ha | i don't use |
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| 08:57.02 | acu | wols: I think is grub2 |
| 08:57.13 | Devastator | b4ha pppoe or such? |
| 08:57.14 | wols | acu: you run squeeze or sid? |
| 08:57.25 | acu | squeeze |
| 08:57.28 | Devastator | b4ha network-manager? |
| 08:57.41 | remote | just chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf and forget about it |
| 08:57.45 | b4ha | network-manager, yes, ihave |
| 08:57.47 | wols | acu: I'd ask #grub |
| 08:58.07 | Devastator | b4ha network-manager could be messing with your resolv.conf |
| 08:58.11 | Devastator | but I'm not sure.. |
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| 08:58.32 | themill | remote: umm... yuck |
| 08:58.34 | wols | acu: why didn't you google your error message? |
| 08:58.43 | remote | themill, works like a charm :) |
| 08:58.53 | wols | remote: while it does, it's evil |
| 08:58.57 | remote | wols, goowhat? |
| 08:59.05 | themill | remote: until you forget that's what you did. Why not actually configure things correctly instead? |
| 08:59.17 | themill | b4ha: lenny? squeeze? |
| 08:59.26 | remote | because you don't want to |
| 08:59.27 | Devastator | he said 5.03 |
| 08:59.30 | Devastator | so lenny |
| 08:59.36 | wols | themill: iirc back when debian dhcp clients wasn't exactly industry strenght, this was the weapon of choice IIRC |
| 08:59.36 | \amethyst | acu: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563822 |
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| 08:59.39 | b4ha | themill: lenny |
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| 08:59.51 | Evet | is 2.6.33 unstable for lenny? |
| 08:59.54 | themill | b4ha: network-manager in lenny won't configure wired devices with anything other than dhcp |
| 08:59.58 | wols | Evet: no |
| 09:00.04 | phix | grub2 fails |
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| 09:00.50 | wols | acu: your error is a known one and usually resolved by reinstalling grub. which you knew if you had googled it |
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| 09:01.16 | b4ha | themill: i have configured my network without network-manager |
| 09:02.10 | themill | b4ha: does "ps ax | grep dhclient" produce a line that has "/sbin/dhclient" |
| 09:03.25 | acu | wols: but I do not know how to go past this message - is anyway to bypass grub ? |
| 09:04.07 | b4ha | 1516 ? Ss 0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 09:04.07 | b4ha | 2515 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep dhclient |
| 09:04.10 | cahoot | acu: any livecd |
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| 09:04.43 | acu | I am reading the link from \amethyst |
| 09:04.47 | mino | good morning :) |
| 09:04.53 | acu | cahoot: I have knopix |
| 09:05.01 | wols | acu: another thing you should know yourse. use your debian install cd in rescue mode |
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| 09:05.35 | wols | cahoot: debian cd has the advantage of no chroot and bind mounts |
| 09:05.40 | themill | b4ha: how did you manually configure your network? in /etc/network/interfaces? Can you pastebin that file as well as /etc/resolv.conf after it has been changed on you? Please use a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste |
| 09:06.19 | surf | hi guys. I have Ub 9.10 installed on / ( ext4 ) and I have an /home (ext4). Now I wanna install debian. Does sid support ext4? Are there any known problems? |
| 09:06.30 | zifi | i have a question |
| 09:06.43 | phix | surf: not sure |
| 09:06.48 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 09:06.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:06.53 | phix | surf: why not just stay with ubuntu? |
| 09:06.53 | zifi | i work on ubuntu 1.2 |
| 09:06.57 | phix | it is better than debian |
| 09:07.09 | themill | phix: please just go away |
| 09:07.11 | mino | does anyone know a good solution for mounting a external directory without using samba, nfs (all need special clients) to make a backup to a remote machine. The free disk space on the machine is not enough to backup it first and copy it later |
| 09:07.24 | zifi | i need to know how can i run my vidoes on that with the file extension .3gp |
| 09:07.36 | surf | I have some problems with the udevd -- daemon running 100% of my cpu all the time |
| 09:07.38 | wols | surf: it does |
| 09:07.41 | themill | surf: yes supported. No, wouldn't touch it on a production system yet (but if you're using sid, you'd be used to thing being broken and have good backups) |
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| 09:08.07 | mino | zifi: hi, this the debian channel. Ubuntu related questions please in the ubuntu channel |
| 09:08.19 | zifi | tell me answer na |
| 09:08.23 | zifi | ok sorry |
| 09:08.25 | phix | themill: no no no, I am here to stay for a bit |
| 09:08.35 | phix | themill: sit back, relax and enjoy |
| 09:08.35 | zifi | tell me about the linux version |
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| 09:08.52 | surf | ok. Now I read over the net that there are some known issues on the installer treating ext4. |
| 09:08.52 | phix | zifi: I like your style |
| 09:08.52 | \amethyst | vlc and/or mplayer might be able to do it |
| 09:08.54 | nsadmin | surf: sid is not recommended. unless you want to be a debian tester or maintainer, you're probably better off going with stable |
| 09:08.59 | mino | zifi: www.debian.org |
| 09:09.10 | b4ha | themill: /msg dpkg |
| 09:09.10 | b4ha | iface lo inet loopback |
| 09:09.10 | b4ha | auto eth0 |
| 09:09.10 | b4ha | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:09.10 | b4ha | auto eth1 |
| 09:09.10 | b4ha | iface eth1 inet static |
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| 09:09.18 | themill | dpkg: tell b4ha about paste |
| 09:09.33 | surf | nsadmin, yeah I know that, just wanted to use an ext4 compatible system. Does lenny do that? |
| 09:09.33 | themill | b4ha: as I said... please use a pastebin. Don't paste in the cahnnel |
| 09:09.36 | \amethyst | mino: the machine you're backing up to... what ways do you have to connect to it? |
| 09:09.55 | b4ha | themill: sorry |
| 09:09.56 | nsadmin | ext4 would be supported by a kernel |
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| 09:10.09 | \amethyst | mino: if it's running ssh, for example, you could tar czf - dir/ | ssh user@remote tar xzf - |
| 09:10.12 | jelly-home | surf: not out of the box, you need a kernel newer than lenny's defautl 2.6.26 |
| 09:10.20 | \amethyst | mino: if it has rsync installed you could use that |
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| 09:10.39 | phix | mino: www.goatsie.cx |
| 09:10.40 | themill | nsadmin: I think jelly-home will tell you that you want newer userspace utils to manage it too. (think fsck etc....) |
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| 09:10.53 | mino | \amethyst: i can install on the target site everything but on the client i dont have samba or nfs bacause its broken :). And its 2 TB of data with ACLs and the user rights need to survive |
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| 09:11.07 | jelly-home | themill: I won't, e2fsprogs are fresh enough |
| 09:11.18 | \amethyst | mino: so what do you have on the client then? |
| 09:11.33 | \amethyst | mino: rsync can back up ACLs with -A |
| 09:11.47 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 09:11.50 | themill | jelly-home: ya what? That's not what you were saying a few weeks back! You were telling people they needed things from bpo... |
| 09:12.11 | jelly-home | themill: grub will have issues, if one is dumb enough to put /boot on ext4 |
| 09:12.15 | mino | \amethyst: okay i will give rsync a try, its installed :) |
| 09:12.30 | mino | \amethyst: thanks for your advice |
| 09:12.32 | \amethyst | mino: I use -aHAX to preserve as much as possible |
| 09:12.33 | themill | b4ha: please go to http://pastebin.ca/ and paste your output there. Hit submit then give us the URL so we can all see it. |
| 09:12.57 | \amethyst | mino: also, make sure you're rsyncing to root on the remote box; otherwise it will be impossible to preserve ownerships (since only root can do chown) |
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| 09:13.21 | wols | jelly-home: isn't ext4 backwards compatible to ext3 like ext3 was to ext2? |
| 09:13.43 | jelly-home | wols: yeah... no, not really |
| 09:13.45 | KillerPuffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.48 | themill | wols: it can be, aiui, it can also have a different on-disk format. |
| 09:13.53 | KillerPuffy | OpenBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 4.6 ejeet2#0 i386 |
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| 09:14.14 | mino | \amethyst: okay. I never used rsync before i check the man page now and try. |
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| 09:14.52 | Devastator | ext4 seems promising, too bad it's a bit unstable yet.. |
| 09:14.55 | jelly-home | wols: if one's using the new features that actually give it a comparative advantage (extents), it becomes incompatible |
| 09:15.09 | robbe- | Does this happen often? .. I thought we were all OSS friends :-) |
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| 09:15.29 | \amethyst | robbe-: Mostly on sundays :) |
| 09:15.33 | robbe- | lol |
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| 09:15.38 | mino | lol |
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| 09:15.53 | wols | so e2fstune is not really enough to switch to it anymore? |
| 09:16.43 | jelly-home | wols: it won't magically convert all the existing files to extents-based ones |
| 09:17.08 | jelly-home | wols: if ones needs ext4, a fresh format is strongly suggested |
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| 09:17.47 | wols | a format would mean a debian reinstall. sacrilege |
| 09:18.07 | themill | wols: it's enough to do a half-baked conversion but not make use of all the shiny new features |
| 09:18.30 | wols | then what's the point? if one doesn't have sns, there is not much reason to use ext4 anyways |
| 09:18.42 | jelly-home | wols: no, a format doesn't mean a reinstall |
| 09:18.44 | robbe- | sns? |
| 09:18.47 | themill | wols: you still get some. just not all. |
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| 09:19.15 | mino | \amethyst: a short rsync related question. Am I right when i think "sync" in rsync means that i can start it and it syncs both directories also if somebody changes something at the source dir during the initial backup? |
| 09:19.43 | \amethyst | mino: no, it means if you run it a second time it will only copy the stuff that has changed |
| 09:20.24 | jelly-home | wols: this laptop was moved to a newer 7200rpm disk and ext4 at the same time, using file-based copying |
| 09:20.28 | hile | mino, to guarantee a stable rsync backup, combine it with lvm snapshots and rsync the snapshot |
| 09:21.24 | hile | of course if you don't have lvm already it gets complicated :) |
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| 09:22.33 | wols | hile: why not just remount the partition ro? |
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| 09:22.48 | mino | \amethyst: is it trustable that it syncs correctly? I do a md5sum of everything before or is it not worth worryng about? |
| 09:23.02 | hile | wols, because the rsync might take long time and need to be used during the backup? |
| 09:23.12 | zifi | hi sexy girls |
| 09:23.26 | hile | anyway, nothing to do with rsync really, applies to any backups |
| 09:24.52 | \amethyst | mino: rsync does a checksum on each file to verify that it was copied correctly |
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| 09:26.24 | mino | \amethyst: okay, great. I'll give it a try... when you not here from in 7 days... it went wrong... :> |
| 09:26.34 | mino | omg |
| 09:26.54 | mino | my english. s/here from/hear from me/ |
| 09:29.28 | b4ha | themill: this is my file /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.debian.net/plain/61787 |
| 09:30.24 | themill | b4ha: that's quite different to what you pasted earlier. I take it that you have changed eth0 from dhcp to static now? |
| 09:31.12 | mino | okay the last question to you guys: Whats faster rsync via rsync or ssh? Does rsyncd has also the encryption overhead? |
| 09:31.49 | wols | mino: usually, rsynx is I/O bound. either network or disk |
| 09:32.15 | mino | security doesnt matter because I'm in a safe environment |
| 09:32.27 | hile | famous last words |
| 09:32.46 | b4ha | themill: no the first pasted text was my configuration in network of Virtual Box, and the second conf file is on real machines |
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| 09:33.19 | mino | hile: lol... no they are physically connected together |
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| 09:33.54 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 09:33.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 09:34.19 | wols | b4ha: do you use the same debian install via virtuabox and from a normal partition you boot from? |
| 09:35.08 | b4ha | wols: yes, they are the same |
| 09:35.20 | rgr | how? |
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| 09:35.42 | mino | wols: what do you mean by "I/O bound". That the i/o of the network or disk is the limiting factor and not the encryption overhead? Both systems are very well connected 10Gbit network and Raid 50 disks |
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| 09:36.20 | wols | yes that'S what I mean. and what cpus do you use with this monster setup? |
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| 09:36.44 | mino | Dual Quad Xeon 3,1 ghz |
| 09:36.52 | b4ha | wols: before rebooting resolv.conf looks so : nameserver 85.233.82.86, after : nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:36.58 | wols | and that's why it is i/o bound |
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| 09:37.45 | wols | b4ha: I'd say disable network manager if you don't need it anyways |
| 09:38.09 | b4ha | wols: how |
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| 09:38.20 | wols | just don't run it? uninstall it? etc |
| 09:39.15 | mino | okay then i will use ssh ... i dont want to configure another daemon :). Sorry, i'm lazy |
| 09:39.17 | jelly-home | rgr: vbox utilities to create a disk image using the raw device |
| 09:39.47 | rgr | jelly-home: "live" or it snapshots it. |
| 09:39.50 | rgr | ? |
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| 09:40.09 | jelly-home | rgr: definitely live, where would the snapshots go? |
| 09:40.24 | robbe- | I seem to recall that when you properly configure your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager will mind his own business and not touch interfaces configured there. At least, that is how my setup is, and I have network-manager running, and it says "device not managed" for said devices. |
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| 09:48.37 | Justme`` | Nice money making methods for noobs like me. http://www.wegivedollars.com It's not my website but I earned 121$ only today with those methods. I hope I don't get a bann... |
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| 09:53.29 | robbe- | I take this is also a sunday thing? :-) |
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| 09:57.01 | wols | no. spammers come all week |
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| 10:00.36 | eFfeM1 | is there a specific channel for debian on arm ? can't seem to find it (too early? :-) ) |
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| 10:01.30 | \amethyst | eFfeM1: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net (a different IRC network) |
| 10:01.40 | ph8 | morning all, i've just installed lenny but apt-cache search doesn't find openssh-server - do i need to add repositories to find ssh?? |
| 10:02.03 | ph8 | i have security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org at |
| 10:02.04 | ph8 | * atm |
| 10:02.13 | wols | !tell ph8 about mirrors |
| 10:02.17 | themill | ph8: you need a real mirror as well |
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| 10:02.21 | \amethyst | ph8: you're missing the main archive |
| 10:02.28 | ph8 | that's weird |
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| 10:02.44 | \amethyst | ph8: security and volatile are both supplemental archives |
| 10:02.58 | ph8 | it had the CD in there, it must have put that in there instead of main |
| 10:03.01 | ph8 | what's the address for main? |
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| 10:03.19 | themill | ph8: read what dpkg just told you |
| 10:03.39 | ph8 | ftp.uk.debian.org/debian main contrib? |
| 10:03.53 | \amethyst | yep |
| 10:04.04 | \amethyst | well, you want the protocol on there too |
| 10:04.10 | eFfeM1 | \amethyst: thanks, knew there was one but could not find it |
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| 10:06.15 | ph8 | so i've added 'deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org' lenny main contrib - but I get not found errors? |
| 10:06.50 | themill | ph8: compare that to what you just pasted into the channel |
| 10:07.21 | ph8 | haha thx |
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| 10:10.52 | Evet | can't i update kernel with something like "aptitude install kernel-2-bla-bla"? |
| 10:11.29 | wols | Evet: you can. |
| 10:11.32 | wols | judd: kernels |
| 10:11.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 10:11.34 | petemc | Evet: you canm linux-image-foo |
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| 10:14.11 | Evet | wols, petemc: i couldn't find newer than 2.6.26-2 , need a different deb source? |
| 10:14.20 | themill | dpkg: tell Evet about bpo |
| 10:15.10 | Evet | backports? |
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| 10:21.50 | WormFood | can anyone get sound to work with vmware and pulseaudio?....nothing I try seems to work :( |
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| 10:24.09 | cousin_mario | hello |
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| 10:24.39 | fat-lobyte | Hi, I wanted to set up a little git server and do some testing on it. Unfortunately I don't have a second box I could use for testing, so I wanted to get some pointers to some virtualization software that's easy to set up and that can emulate a network environment. Any Ideas? |
| 10:24.40 | cousin_mario | keeps forgetting how to force a particular version of a package to stay in place without using apt pinning |
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| 10:25.16 | themill | cousin_mario: either hold or forbid-version |
| 10:25.18 | fat-lobyte | cousin_mario: aptitude hold <package> maybe? |
| 10:25.28 | cousin_mario | yes, hold |
| 10:25.33 | cousin_mario | can you do that with dpkg ? |
| 10:26.30 | fat-lobyte | cousin_mario: by skimming through dpkg manpage "dpkg --force-hold" or something? |
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| 10:26.56 | cousin_mario | fat-lobyte: ok, thanks |
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| 10:30.43 | cousin_mario | fat-lobyte: I think that's for something else |
| 10:31.16 | fat-lobyte | ok... |
| 10:31.31 | themill | !hold |
| 10:31.32 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 10:31.32 | fat-lobyte | whats wrong with "aptitude hold" ? |
| 10:32.01 | cousin_mario | nothing, but I never use aptitude and I wouldn't know my way through it |
| 10:32.21 | themill | cousin_mario: might be time to start learning. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 10:32.40 | fat-lobyte | as a command line tool it is compatible to apt-get, you might want to try it |
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| 10:33.43 | cousin_mario | for the uses of this debian box is reserved for, I think manual tinkering is probably better |
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| 10:35.13 | fat-lobyte | cousin_mario: manual tinkering is never better |
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| 10:36.28 | cousin_mario | fat-lobyte: problem is I'm not using pure debian |
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| 10:37.09 | fat-lobyte | cousin_mario: what is it then? |
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| 10:43.17 | macrobat | what signifies the kernels in (parentheses) in judds "kernels" output? |
| 10:46.39 | themill | macrobat: that's the package version |
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| 10:47.43 | laurus | Say I switch from Linux to Windows and copy my files over to Windows. Will Windows be able to remember the last-modified dates of th efiles? |
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| 10:48.04 | macrobat | ah |
| 10:48.11 | laurus | (By the way I hope I never have to do that) |
| 10:48.20 | laurus | It's a hypothetical question |
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| 10:58.04 | macrobat | dont you modify files when you transfer them to ntfs? |
| 10:58.50 | cammoblammo | I lost power to my desktop a few days ago. Now when I boot I get multiple errors soon after grub kicks like 'udevd-work[220]: exec of program '/sbin/modprobe' failed' |
| 10:59.25 | cammoblammo | Problem is, I can't find any logs to help me pinpoint the problem. I was able to boot to single user mode a few times, but now I can't do that, either. |
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| 11:03.10 | bododo | hi guys |
| 11:03.33 | bododo | I have a micro SD card that bizzarely won't format. I tried everything but it doesn't work |
| 11:04.14 | bododo | is there any way to format it and use it again? There is data inside it, but I don't care about the data, i just want to use it again |
| 11:04.51 | dutchfish | did you make sure the write-protect is disabled? |
| 11:05.34 | bododo | dutchfish: it doesn't have that (physically I mean) |
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| 11:05.50 | bododo | it's very small and there's nothing I can switch in it |
| 11:05.54 | dutchfish | bododo: ok |
| 11:06.01 | bododo | am I missing something? |
| 11:06.04 | wols | !errors |
| 11:06.04 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
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| 11:06.10 | bododo | (it's very tiny, a micro sd) |
| 11:07.20 | bododo | wols: thanks! if I use mkfs, it runs but it's like it did nothing, the data is still there. gparted gives an error with mparted i think |
| 11:07.50 | wols | you are really hopeless. have a nice day |
| 11:07.53 | bododo | fdisk /dev/sda and then i (initialize map) no error and the data is still there |
| 11:08.06 | bododo | wols: hopeless with the micro sd? |
| 11:08.11 | bododo | or in life? :) |
| 11:08.23 | wols | no. I dunno about your sd card, you are hopeless |
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| 11:08.41 | bododo | wols, did I say something wrong? |
| 11:08.55 | bododo | I gave as much info as I had |
| 11:09.08 | bododo | I mean, why "hopless"? |
| 11:09.34 | rgr | bododo: ignore wols. He's a dick at times |
| 11:09.41 | bododo | rgr: thanks |
| 11:09.52 | dustybin | rgr: watch your langauge |
| 11:10.06 | dustybin | this is a family channel |
| 11:10.13 | rgr | Oh please. Thanks. |
| 11:10.21 | bododo | dutchfish: is insulting people "normal" here? |
| 11:10.46 | rgr | I think you meant that for dustybin . Unfortunately it is for many. |
| 11:10.47 | dutchfish | bododo: no, but please ask smart question's, so we don't need to do the guessing game |
| 11:11.12 | wols | rgr: like your ad hominems you mean? |
| 11:11.24 | bododo | dutchfish: I did, as much as I could, sincerly! I gave details of mkfs, gparted and fdisk (my tries) |
| 11:11.26 | rgr | point of order : its not wasy for people to ask smart questins if they dont understand the issue. Think on that. |
| 11:11.30 | bododo | what could I say more? |
| 11:11.43 | wols | bododo: fyi, you did not |
| 11:11.52 | rgr | wols: I dont want to get into a sniping match. But you continually insult new users. Calling people "hopeless" is not nice. |
| 11:11.56 | themill | bododo: you implied that there was an error message. The exact text might be helpful. |
| 11:12.11 | bododo | wols: suppose, and it may be the case, that I'm a noob, a total one, is it a reason to call me hopless? |
| 11:12.19 | dutchfish | bododo: you might all repeat it on the commandline, and send it to pastebin, that way you might get some real answers |
| 11:12.27 | bododo | themill: there is no error with mkfs and fdisk |
| 11:12.29 | themill | rgr, wols, bododo: move on please. |
| 11:12.30 | bododo | no error given |
| 11:12.41 | rgr | It is so. |
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| 11:13.02 | wols | <bododo > gparted gives an error with mparted i think |
| 11:13.06 | bododo | dutchfish: again, please read: mkfs and fdisk gave NO error |
| 11:13.32 | wols | bododo: again, read: and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. |
| 11:13.59 | bododo | wols: yes |
| 11:14.07 | bododo | and thanks for "hopless". thanks a lot |
| 11:14.09 | bododo | bye |
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| 11:15.07 | Crusnik01 | Hi! I'm having trouble with a Debian Lenny, running on VMware ESX. The server can ping the DNS, but it can't resolve domains. I can telnet into the DNS server on port 53. I have the same issue on both lennys running on that VM. I thought at first the problem was the VM host itselv, but all the Windows machines are running and quering just fine, as such, I've been bashing my head into the wall for that past few days. Any tips? |
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| 11:15.45 | lazy^ | what you have in resolv.conf ? |
| 11:15.49 | wols | Crusnik01: IP only traffic goes through both ways? |
| 11:15.50 | bododo | sorry, I left in anger, and I hate that |
| 11:15.58 | SimManiac | hi |
| 11:16.09 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: can you tell us what dns server it is and what version? |
| 11:16.10 | Crusnik01 | lazy: 10.1.2.11 (my AD controller) |
| 11:16.22 | lazy^ | is it the dns server ? |
| 11:16.28 | SimManiac | dns usually is udp |
| 11:16.37 | SimManiac | check the firewall |
| 11:16.49 | Crusnik01 | Yeah, I use my AD controller as the primary DNS server |
| 11:17.20 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: it is prolly protected and only answers authenticated machines |
| 11:17.21 | Crusnik01 | SimManiac: I'm running pfSense as the firewall, and no traffic is being blocked on port 53 on the lan interface |
| 11:17.22 | wols | Crusnik01: use another DNS server. e.g. use 8.8.8.8 (google's) and try again |
| 11:17.51 | Crusnik01 | wols: kk, I'll give it a shot =) |
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| 11:18.16 | SimManiac | Crusnik01: your windows fw? |
| 11:18.18 | SimManiac | maybe? |
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| 11:18.39 | wols | SimManiac: not if other hosts get throught. dutchfish's advice is more likely |
| 11:18.43 | Crusnik01 | SimManiac: Disabled |
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| 11:19.36 | Crusnik01 | dutchfish: I've added entries into the DNS server about these machines. But that might not be the right way to "authenticate" them, or? |
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| 11:19.41 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: you oculd either lower security on the dns server, consult technet, or mae use of ntlmap auth services on the linux boxes |
| 11:19.41 | SimManiac | wols: ah yes |
| 11:19.42 | SimManiac | sure |
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| 11:20.11 | Crusnik01 | I've now tried to change the nameserver to 208.67.222.222 (OpenDNS), same result. :/ |
| 11:20.25 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: you need to add them to AD, and send up athentication properly |
| 11:20.57 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: ntlm authentication is easiest to setup, there are others like radius etc |
| 11:20.58 | Crusnik01 | dutchfish: I don't think it's an issue with the AD, seeing as how I can't even query public servers |
| 11:21.28 | wols | dig google.com @8.8.8.8 |
| 11:21.44 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: then forget what i said |
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| 11:21.47 | wols | but if you can connect to the public server, why wouldn't it answer? |
| 11:22.30 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: 2nd, you can;t query with short names only by FQDN, rem that |
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| 11:23.01 | Crusnik01 | well, I tried now to do a nslookup -> server 208.67.222.222 -> query. Result: Connection timed out; no servers could be reached.. |
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| 11:23.15 | Crusnik01 | Hmm.. Seems like some weird firewall issue.. But there shouldn't be anything blocking it.. O.o |
| 11:23.18 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: unless you setup your DNS server to do so |
| 11:23.32 | wols | Crusnik01: again, do normal ip only connections work? e.g. a connect to a ssh server. ssh 123.123.123.123 |
| 11:23.52 | Crusnik01 | wols: I'll try to connect to a server at work. 2 sec |
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| 11:24.42 | dutchfish | this could be as well a route problem |
| 11:24.44 | MarkGil | Hi, can anyone tell me what apt-xapian-index is? I have an embedded system (Sheevaplug) and it's writing lots to my flash. What will be the effect of disabling the cronjob for this? |
| 11:25.12 | Crusnik01 | Okey, seems like IP traffic going out of these debians is being blocked... |
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| 11:25.45 | Crusnik01 | But I really have no idea why.. I have not setup any explisit rules in pfSense to block any traffic coming from LAN... So they should be no different from the other windows machines running on this VM |
| 11:25.51 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: then it's either firewall authentication/fire wall rules, or route problem |
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| 11:28.49 | wols | MarkGil: a search engine for aptitude. the higher end functions of aptitude probably depend on it |
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| 11:29.05 | wols | nothing life saving, especially not for a embedded system |
| 11:29.07 | leg- | I accidentally removed a text file on a ext4 file system, according to the ext4 faq there is no chance of recovering it |
| 11:29.26 | leg- | however there is a package which claims it can be done: http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:29.36 | leg- | what is there to do? |
| 11:29.52 | MarkGil | I don't use aptitude (apt-get) |
| 11:30.16 | Crusnik01 | God this is weird. The only thing that works is ping... I can ping my subnet, but I can't SSH into the "neighbor" debian server.. :/ It can ping me as well, but can't ssh either. I can telnet into the server though.. This makes no sence.. O.o |
| 11:30.27 | wols | leg-: you can try it. what else? what do you have to lose? but don't write ANYTHING on that partition where you deleted that file |
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| 11:30.32 | Crusnik01 | sense* |
| 11:30.54 | wols | Crusnik01: firewall blocking tcp and udp but not icmP? |
| 11:31.06 | Crusnik01 | PS: No firewall rules are applied on the LAN, the traffic goes directly to the hosts on this subnet |
| 11:31.20 | wols | disable all firewalls |
| 11:31.23 | Crusnik01 | I only firewall traffic going out |
| 11:31.24 | leg- | hm wols its allready to late for that...so im outta luck |
| 11:31.34 | leg- | again a good lesson on making backups :) |
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| 11:31.39 | wols | amen |
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| 11:32.28 | Crusnik01 | wols: I really don't have any firewalls to disable here. There are now firewalls installed on the debians (as far as I know :p), so they should be able to talk freely. They're pretty much just plugged into the vSwitch in VMware, and that's it.. |
| 11:32.37 | Crusnik01 | no firewalls* |
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| 11:33.18 | wols | esx is a linux right? can you run wireshark or tcpdump on it? |
| 11:33.26 | dutchfish | Crusnik01: did you check the route table on the host where you VM are runnning on? |
| 11:33.42 | wols | dutchfish: wouldn't that affect icmp too? |
| 11:33.52 | dutchfish | wols: nope |
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| 11:34.06 | dutchfish | wols: as in, you are right |
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| 11:35.14 | dutchfish | or the replies ar enot coming from the destination whe think it would |
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| 11:36.39 | silidan | hi, any idea if amd/ati kept their promise and released their drivers as open source? |
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| 11:37.18 | wols | silidan: they never made such a promise |
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| 11:37.45 | wols | they made a promise (and kept it) to release data how to program their chips. the radeon and radeonhd drivers are the result of this |
| 11:37.51 | wols | it's still very much a work in progress tho |
| 11:38.14 | silidan | ok |
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| 11:38.52 | silidan | does this also include the most current models? |
| 11:39.06 | wols | yes it does. but as I said: work in progress |
| 11:39.56 | silidan | so when they release their newest product they also release the specs to make a driver? |
| 11:40.26 | wols | yes they do. but that doesn't mean there is a driver available right afterwards. you need to check which chips are supported |
| 11:41.25 | wols | also, ati drivers, open or closed, are slower in opengl than nvidia closed drivers for a similar card |
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| 11:42.14 | silidan | yea because if you want to have a driver at product release you have to release the specs some time before... |
| 11:42.28 | wols | yep. a long time before actually |
| 11:42.47 | silidan | this statement are slower in opengl ... is this a software issue form the driver or is this a hardware thing? |
| 11:42.49 | cipherz | Hello, I have a self-rolled debian package that depends on package x,y,z then I try: dpkg -i mydeb package, it fails logically, however why does apt-get install -f want to install package x,y,z and then remove mypackage instead of installing x,y,z and then my package ? |
| 11:43.19 | dutchfish | silidan: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 11:43.26 | wols | silidan: software. ati and open source programmers aren't as good in writing drivers for opengl as nvidia. many nvidia staff are ex SGI (opengl inventors) |
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| 11:45.43 | silidan | question... the closed source linux driver from ati has it ben always released wih the product or alot later? |
| 11:46.20 | gothenburg | hm |
| 11:46.46 | wols | silidan: sometimes the same time, sometimes later. no real pattern |
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| 11:47.29 | orhna | selam |
| 11:47.56 | silidan | ok... but all in all amd gives the spec to work out a driver without having to reverse ingeneer closed source drivers? |
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| 11:48.14 | orhna | kimse yokmu |
| 11:48.46 | orhna | ? |
| 11:50.07 | ozux | orhna: bence burasi biraz Englizce konusulan bir #channel ;) |
| 11:50.38 | abchirk | yeah as kere orhna |
| 11:50.43 | abchirk | not everyone in the query. :p |
| 11:50.46 | orhna | ý have a problem |
| 11:50.52 | orhna | with my debian |
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| 11:51.33 | valdyn | silidan: if you want very new hardware with working drivers theres no choice but nvidia currently |
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| 11:51.50 | orhna | ý can not setup |
| 11:51.57 | wade | kinda hard to say anything with 845 nicks in a room! lol!!!... erm hi everyone :D |
| 11:52.03 | valdyn | silidan: unless you dont care that much about performance, but then you dont need new hardware |
| 11:52.13 | orhna | ý use net install cd |
| 11:52.22 | gothenburg | Netinstaller <3 |
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| 11:52.37 | wols | orhna: what error(s) do you get? |
| 11:52.57 | wols | !tr |
| 11:52.58 | dpkg | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 11:53.12 | orhna | package manager returns an error |
| 11:53.13 | wols | if your english is not good enough to tell, there is turkish help available as you can see |
| 11:53.42 | visof | hello |
| 11:54.15 | gothenburg | hello world? |
| 11:54.16 | visof | scp -r $HOME/foo username@host2.com:$HOME , is there a way to put the password with that line ?? |
| 11:54.35 | gothenburg | man scp |
| 11:54.57 | wols | visof: you can do key based auth with ssh |
| 11:55.11 | orhna | I can not receive data from storage |
| 11:55.16 | visof | ssh-keygen ?? |
| 11:56.06 | wols | orhna: we need the exact error message |
| 11:56.28 | orhna | one minutes |
| 11:56.44 | gothenburg | !ssh-keygen |
| 11:56.44 | dpkg | Create a RSA key (for SSH protocol 2 connections) with ssh-keygen ; then copy it to a remote host with ssh-copy-id user@remotehost ; also look at ssh-agent/ssh-add |
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| 11:58.20 | orhna | bad archive mirror the specified debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it please try a different mirror |
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| 11:59.40 | wols | orhna: are you online while installing? |
| 12:00.00 | wols | press cltr+alt+f3 and do a "ping google.com" there |
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| 12:00.22 | orhna | I'm not sure |
| 12:00.35 | wols | also, you don't need to apt-get anything with the netinstall if you don't want. you can do it after install easily with aptitude or with tasksel |
| 12:00.45 | orhna | I installed server |
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| 12:01.05 | orhna | I set the network settings |
| 12:01.15 | gothenburg | and it works? |
| 12:02.04 | orhna | to download only the packages remained |
| 12:02.26 | orhna | but I can not in |
| 12:02.28 | gothenburg | I got errors while installing Debian last week. det hängde sig |
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| 12:03.46 | orhna | Do not have anyone who can help :( |
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| 12:07.41 | orhna | ingilizcede derdimizi anlatamýyoruz:d |
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| 12:11.50 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 12:11.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 12:20.12 | linduxed | i'm trying to install a 3G modem with the help of the usb_modeswitch utility. the problem is however that when it comes to the point where it says "Looking for active driver" it should find the usb-storage driver, but doesn't. instead i get "No driver found. Either detached befor or never attached" |
| 12:20.17 | linduxed | is there a way to make it find the usb-storage driver? |
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| 12:24.14 | Crusnik01 | In resolv.conf, does having both the "domain" and "search" options set to the same value cause any conflicts? |
| 12:24.33 | Crusnik01 | What does the "domain" part actually do? Searching google didn't turn up much :/ |
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| 12:28.41 | valdyn | Crusnik01: thats not in the manpage? |
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| 12:31.20 | jeanseb | hi |
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| 12:45.34 | WormFood | can anyone get vmware to work with pulseaudio on debian? I've tried everything I can think of (and what I found with google), and nothing works. |
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| 12:50.00 | frenchy | hi guys, i need help please, i have this error and i can't fix it could help me please |
| 12:50.04 | frenchy | your server either has the shell_exec() PHP function disabled or it is missing the CLI version of PHP |
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| 12:50.31 | frenchy | i have made installation of php5-cli |
| 12:50.38 | WormFood | frenchy, what branch of debian? |
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| 12:50.48 | frenchy | on etch |
| 12:51.39 | WormFood | then you most likely have shell_exec() disabled |
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| 12:52.23 | frenchy | yes WormFood, so i don't find where i can enable shell_exec() |
| 12:52.35 | frenchy | i don't find it in my php.ini |
| 12:52.38 | WormFood | php config |
| 12:53.03 | WormFood | why are you trying to run the CLI version of php? |
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| 12:53.37 | frenchy | this is for an automatisation in a program |
| 12:53.55 | WormFood | frenchy, google for "php shell_exec" |
| 12:55.30 | themill | frenchy: also /msg dpkg etch security ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:55.44 | WormFood | http://php.net/manual/en/function.shell-exec.php |
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| 12:57.43 | frenchy | thank you i'm looking the link |
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| 13:00.02 | yon | hello can someone help me with a samba configuration http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/kkHQ11yK i want to make it so guests can access but only i can modify files |
| 13:00.22 | WormFood | yon, try #samba |
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| 13:00.29 | yon | oh thnx |
| 13:00.38 | Hetman | Hello `im using lenny and try to install mysql server. I try this by aptitute install mysql-server, but didn`t work - package installs but don`t aske me for password, dont`t create /etc/mysql itp. Somebody know this problem ? |
| 13:02.29 | lazy^ | Hetman: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/README.Debian.gz read that |
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| 13:05.30 | lazy^ | Hetman: there you can read how to set pws ect... |
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| 13:13.07 | wheee | hii ~~ I just finished installing Debian... and the default refresh rate is too high for my monitor so I cannot boot in graphical mode.. so I want to boot in command line mode to manually modify the xorg config file, but I cannot find how to do that |
| 13:13.10 | Hetman | lazy^: so must do it by my own ? |
| 13:13.34 | wheee | (botting in command line mode) |
| 13:13.38 | wheee | booting even |
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| 13:18.02 | lazy^ | Hetman: yes, manually . Read that README and you know enough =) |
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| 13:19.39 | mino | hi. Back again with some questions |
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| 13:20.20 | humbolt | my automatically detected raid device always shows up as md_d0 instead of md0. is that the default now? |
| 13:20.56 | mino | when i compile rsync in etch he dont get any acl support. Does somebody know which lib is required? The package: "acl" is it not. "-X" doesnt get the acl attributes, i dunno because i thought xattrs is the same as acl |
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| 13:22.38 | dinya | hello all. i installed squeezy with "no root" like in ubuntu. now i can to authorized in gnome, e.g. to mount partitions. gnome shows authorizetion window and ask me enter root password. but it doesn't exist formaly |
| 13:22.44 | lazy^ | mino: why you dont install it from repos ? |
| 13:22.58 | lazy^ | dpkg tell mino rsync |
| 13:23.14 | lazy^ | dpkg rsync |
| 13:23.15 | dpkg | i guess rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ , see also <rsnapshot>. http://rsync.samba.org/ #rsync on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:23.19 | dinya | how to make gnome-authorization understand sudoers password? |
| 13:23.24 | mino | lazy^: the rsync version in the repos have no acl support and dont know what xattrs are |
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| 13:24.34 | mino | on the rsync homepage i havent found any requirements table |
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| 13:25.58 | lazy^ | mino: hmm .. doesnt rsync 3.0.7-1 have ACL |
| 13:26.01 | lazy^ | i think it has |
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| 13:27.17 | wheee | how can I boot in command line without prior having to boot in graphical mode to change something? |
| 13:27.30 | wheee | the default refresh rate is too high for my monitor |
| 13:27.32 | \amethyst | mino: it should have ACL and xattr support |
| 13:27.34 | \amethyst | doh, he left |
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| 13:28.04 | wheee | so I need to boot in command line |
| 13:28.15 | lazy^ | wheee: shutdown -r now ? :) |
| 13:28.23 | lazy^ | mino: |
| 13:28.29 | lazy^ | rsync 3.0.7-1 have ACL |
| 13:28.33 | lazy^ | *has |
| 13:28.37 | mino | lazy^: i look at it atm |
| 13:28.45 | mino | lazy^: thanks for the tip so far |
| 13:28.51 | lazy^ | man rsync |grep ACL |
| 13:28.55 | lazy^ | helps you |
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| 13:29.24 | \amethyst | you need -A to preserve ACLs and -X to preserve xattrs |
| 13:29.28 | wheee | lazy^: I can't acess command line |
| 13:29.31 | \amethyst | but the remote host needs to support ACLs too |
| 13:29.43 | wheee | access* |
| 13:29.55 | \amethyst | wheee: ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work? |
| 13:30.02 | wheee | nope |
| 13:30.09 | wheee | the default refresh rate is too high |
| 13:30.16 | wheee | I haven't even booted once yet |
| 13:30.33 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 13:30.43 | \amethyst | what does the refresh rate have to do with ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 13:30.51 | lazy^ | :D |
| 13:30.56 | \amethyst | or is the refresh rate in text mode too high, too? |
| 13:30.59 | mino | \amethyst: i know the whole flags now. I studied the manpage for 2 hours :D |
| 13:31.12 | wheee | gimme a sec |
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| 13:31.39 | \amethyst | mino: so what happens when you give -A ? |
| 13:31.42 | mino | lazy^: okay the actual repo version works. I thought i had the actual rsync in it |
| 13:31.57 | lazy^ | hehe :) |
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| 13:32.00 | mino | \amethyst: it works now fine. My cmd: rsync -aHAXh --progress --rsh=ssh root@i60sfs1:/root/rsynctest/ /root/tmp |
| 13:32.03 | lazy^ | man-pages saves |
| 13:32.30 | mino | it preserved the whole winbind users and advanced rights |
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| 13:33.23 | mino | and symlinks worked also great... i think this is enough test case to give it a run on the real data |
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| 13:35.40 | mino | "-a" is a nice magic flag :) |
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| 13:41.24 | dokma | Here is an easy question for you guyz. Can I use my laptop with working net conn with debian to execute apt-get update and apt-get install whatever on a machine that does not have a working net connection? |
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| 13:41.57 | \amethyst | !apt offline |
| 13:41.57 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
| 13:41.58 | dokma | I thought I might be able to transfer any needed files using a burner and a cdrom |
| 13:42.11 | thrashold | How do I configure debian so that reportbug works? I.e. the mail gets received by the other side? |
| 13:42.16 | thrashold | It silently doesn't send it |
| 13:42.17 | dokma | \amethyst: that kicks ass |
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| 13:45.14 | thrashold | When I do dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, which of the four should I select to be able to use reportbug? None of the descriptions make sense to me |
| 13:45.43 | valdyn | thrashold: if you only need to get reportbug to work you dont need exim at all |
| 13:45.55 | CQ | hello, I'm stting up backups, what shoudl I back up? home, boot, etc are no brainers... usr I can skip (except /usr/local), what shoudl I take/leave from /var? |
| 13:46.04 | thrashold | valdyn: What do I need? |
| 13:46.19 | valdyn | thrashold: just reportbug and a valid email account somewhere |
| 13:46.29 | thrashold | reportbug tried to send it through exim and it now sits in the /var/spool/exim4 folder |
| 13:46.34 | valdyn | thrashold: or not even that, reportbug can send by itself |
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| 13:47.39 | valdyn | thrashold: edit /etc/reportbug.conf |
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| 13:47.50 | valdyn | thrashold: # Use this to enable the internal MTA (bypassing /usr/sbin/sendmail) |
| 13:48.05 | thrashold | OK, thanks :) |
| 13:48.40 | valdyn | thrashold: and set exim4 to deliver local mail only if you arent going to use it elsewhere |
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| 13:54.32 | llua | is private browser working in iceweasel 3.5.8 for anyone? |
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| 14:20.09 | _Dave123_ | how to simply scan an ip with nmap for all open ports? |
| 14:21.46 | Argafal | man nmap... how is that related to Debian? |
| 14:21.56 | urezki | _Dave123_: -p1-65535 |
| 14:21.56 | _Dave123_ | nmap debian package |
| 14:22.04 | _Dave123_ | thnx |
| 14:22.07 | SpeedyG | he mightbe using debian |
| 14:22.42 | urezki | _Dave123_: I've just opened a man page and found out, so man rocks :-) |
| 14:22.48 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 14:22.53 | _Dave123_ | thnx |
| 14:23.04 | _Dave123_ | nmap -p1-65535 ip give error |
| 14:23.19 | SpeedyG | _Dave123_: nmap -sS -p1-65535 <IP> |
| 14:23.43 | _Dave123_ | thnx again |
| 14:23.43 | SpeedyG | (or any other scan you might want to use, sP, sU, sT or somth as written in the manpages) |
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| 14:30.53 | boodie | Hi: I want to thank you for helping me the other day setting my router to work (I was trapped in window$); it now works fine (btw, I used the nick Space_ace). |
| 14:30.58 | humbolt | I have just grown my raid1 device by two more disks. however, resize2fs does not seem to see that more space is available now. |
| 14:31.08 | humbolt | what did I do wrong |
| 14:31.25 | humbolt | I followed the linux foundation guide: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/linux-raid/growing |
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| 14:31.37 | casper__ | Anyboy having this problem?: Kdevelop keeps "linking..." a very stupid file and eats all my ram (4gb) |
| 14:32.23 | casper__ | im using debian squeeze, kdevelop 3.5.5 autoconf 2.13 (downgraded) - automake 1.11.1 |
| 14:33.29 | casper__ | Also the same c file is compiled ok directly from the console using gcc, but for some reason kdevelop is tryiing to link the file. Im not using any dependencies |
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| 14:34.36 | dutchfish | casper__: yes, i have seen it, but i also have no solution |
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| 14:35.09 | casper__ | dutchfish: The funny thing is that the project im compiling is one of the templates from kdevelop! |
| 14:35.17 | dutchfish | casper__: have you read all about the changes in gcc 4.4.3? |
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| 14:36.10 | dutchfish | casper__: i suspect it's not the template but the changes in gcc, but i am not sure |
| 14:36.17 | casper__ | dutchfish: For sure the problem is not in gcc. Why should kdevelop try to link my binary? I dont use any external library |
| 14:37.02 | boodie | casper__: I certainly haven't got the skills to hekp, but I found kdevelop rather obscure |
| 14:37.06 | casper__ | dutchfish: compiling the ".c" file from the command line it works flawlessly |
| 14:37.15 | dutchfish | casper__: is this a "clean" build envirenment, and i want to know wich debian version (i use squeeze amd64) |
| 14:37.35 | dutchfish | casper__: yes, here too |
| 14:37.41 | casper__ | yes its brand new installled. Every package up to date |
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| 14:38.06 | casper__ | dutchfish: Autoconf and automake are now downgraded, I wanted to give it a try using old versions, but the same thing |
| 14:38.15 | casper__ | boodie: np, thanks |
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| 14:38.43 | casper__ | dutchfish: debian squeeze i386 |
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| 14:38.56 | dutchfish | casper__: os its not arch related |
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| 14:39.15 | dutchfish | casper__: mmm.. |
| 14:39.36 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.43 | humbolt | It does not reflect the disks added after I grew the array |
| 14:40.28 | casper__ | dutchfish: running gcc "file.c" -o file.o -> compiles a working binary. The question is: why the kdevelop autogenerated makefiles try to link the binary? I dont use any shared lib, its just a couple of printfs! |
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| 14:42.01 | dutchfish | judd versions kdevelop |
| 14:42.01 | urezki | casper__: you use at least libc |
| 14:42.02 | judd | kdevelop -- etch: 4:3.3.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.0-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.2-1; squeeze: 4:3.5.5-1; sid: 4:3.5.5-1.1; experimental: 4:3.9.97-1 |
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| 14:42.41 | Promille | hey guys. does not df -h work on debian servers? |
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| 14:43.38 | dutchfish | casper__: i think still that we should ask this q at the kde-devs |
| 14:43.54 | gothenburg | tittar |
| 14:44.29 | gothenburg | Is there any good cheap laptop with nvida that works with Debian (3d) ? |
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| 14:46.00 | BenBE | Does php 5.3.1-5 contain the fumbled patches or does it contain a proper fix regarding the Suhosin Crashes\PAGE_SIZE issue. The Changelog isn't clear about this. |
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| 14:48.16 | chops1 | Promille: It does, why would it not? |
| 14:48.31 | casper__ | urezki: yes you're right? but why I can compile the file with no linking and it works? |
| 14:48.32 | vyrgozunqk | hey guys does somebody know how to fix a menu redraw problem |
| 14:49.07 | vyrgozunqk | i don't know if its from the driver or from the theme i use alienware darkstar, gnome 2.28.2 MESA 7.8-devel |
| 14:49.26 | vyrgozunqk | i added damage to xorg.conf but it didn;t fixed it |
| 14:50.07 | urezki | casper__: you can obtain a binary without linking, but for such case you should use static libraries and link "libc" statically |
| 14:50.35 | BenBE | vyrgozunqk You're using Gnme, that's the issue ... (SCNR) |
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| 14:51.45 | vyrgozunqk | BenBE: yes, cause there's still no KDE 4.4 in expeperimental, anad my pc is slow for it anyway |
| 14:52.02 | vyrgozunqk | do you have any idea where to look to fix the redraw issue |
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| 14:52.27 | urezki | casper__: i am confused by your question... you want to find out how the binary that is not linked with shared libraries works... right ? |
| 14:52.37 | gothenburg | How is it with intel 3d-drivers? |
| 14:52.43 | gothenburg | works opengl? |
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| 14:53.02 | BenBE | Well, who needs KDE 4.4 when 4.3 works (except for some obscure issues that stay unfixed in testing due to some Google Widget #FAIL!) ... |
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| 14:53.20 | gothenburg | Who needs KDE at all? ;) |
| 14:53.25 | casper__ | urezki: right. Why kdevelop tries to link it when it seems not to be necessary |
| 14:53.29 | dutchfish | casper__: use ldd to check out if it is |
| 14:53.57 | vyrgozunqk | BenBE: 4.4 has massive speed improvements i've already tried it so my pc is slow, and kde 4.3.4 makes me very angry |
| 14:53.58 | urezki | casper__: link what, be exact libc ? |
| 14:54.27 | casper__ | linux-gate.so1 |
| 14:54.31 | casper__ | libc.so.6 |
| 14:54.41 | casper__ | /lib/ls-linux.so.2 |
| 14:54.54 | casper__ | urezki: so yes, seems to be linked |
| 14:55.00 | BenBE | vyrgozunqk If you want current software, Debian is the wrong choice for you ... (Sadly that's soo true) |
| 14:55.03 | chops1 | vyrgozunqk: If your PC is too slow for KDE, maybe a lighter desktop environment (xfce or blackbox) would be a better choice |
| 14:55.37 | vyrgozunqk | chops1: i use gnome and i'm happy its fast enough wor gnome, but i have menu redraw problem |
| 14:55.45 | casper__ | urezki: Now the question is: kdevelop cannot link, it says this: "linking aaa (CC)" and stays forever eating my ram |
| 14:56.22 | vyrgozunqk | BenBE: sid is verry stable :) |
| 14:56.23 | humbolt | When I have a RAID1 with 4 disks, does that mean I have 4 copies of all data or, do I have 2 copies spread over 4 drives? |
| 14:56.24 | casper__ | urezki: but my environment seems ok, since gcc can compile and link with no trouble |
| 14:56.54 | vyrgozunqk | and i managet to fix every problem i got till now |
| 14:57.16 | BenBE | vyrgozunqk Used it myself a long time. But occasionally (especially after Debian Releases) it gets kinda unuseable. |
| 14:57.46 | vyrgozunqk | that was a long time ago |
| 14:57.47 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
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| 14:58.14 | urezki | casper__: well, it's bad idea to link libc and ld-linux.. statically, cause you will have some problems to run this appl. on other systems, why it's hanging... write to kde-devel list :-) |
| 14:58.57 | casper__ | urezki: thanks I will. Now im in a hurry so vim will save me sometime |
| 14:59.00 | chops1 | vyrgozunqk: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 14:59.55 | vyrgozunqk | no i haven't i searched in google a lot |
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| 15:00.08 | BenBE | vyrgozunqk Another example: Have a look at wine: stable is at 1.0.1-1 or sort of; experimental is at 1.1.24-1, current developement is at 1.1.40. I just build stuff from their source packages to avoid having to wait for current software for years ... |
| 15:00.08 | Sm1le | hi, if anybody knows ms08-67 well and is interested in a job, pls pm me |
| 15:00.25 | chops1 | vyrgozunqk: Check the BTS. That's a more productive place to report bugs than IRC. |
| 15:01.59 | vyrgozunqk | chops1: i'm not reporting a bug, i'm looking for solution, or a guy that has the same problem, but i'll try it |
| 15:01.59 | ctuininga | Just upgraded and Etch box to Lenny and I'm getting a *lot* of "(gnutls_handshake): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received." in my Exim logs now. Should I be concerned about this? |
| 15:02.00 | BenBE | Yes. |
| 15:02.03 | ctuininga | *sigh* I was afraid of that. |
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| 15:02.26 | gothenburg | jag e söt |
| 15:02.27 | chops1 | BenBE: Wine's stable release is 1.0.1; Debian just hasn't been packaging their "preview" releases (the old one in experimental is probably semi-forgotten) |
| 15:02.47 | ctuininga | Is this a sign of a gnutls problem? Exim problem? Another lib? How do I even begin to debug it? Any googling I've done on the topic only yields stuff from 2+ years ago. |
| 15:03.02 | chops1 | vyrgozunqk: You should report a bug, if there isn't one there :-). For some classes of bugs that'll make it much more likely that it gets fixed. |
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| 15:03.06 | vyrgozunqk | chops1: there is a 1.1.32 snapshot in unstable and experimental |
| 15:03.19 | vyrgozunqk | ok i'll do it |
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| 15:04.01 | BenBE | chops1 Anyway you can't use that stable release for anything as most stuff just won't work. Had to build a current version myself to run one program which otherwise just crashed; didn't even try the stable. |
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| 15:05.10 | BenBE | ctuininga Recheck GnuTLS, Exim and all their dependencies. Especially conflicts with OpenSSL and the like. |
| 15:05.26 | chops1 | BenBE: Perhaps you could volunteer to start maintaining the wine-unstable releases? :-) |
| 15:05.39 | ctuininga | BenBE: Fair enough - I guess I'll try reinstalling the packages. :/ |
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| 15:05.57 | BenBE | ctuininga A tool I can suggest for you is apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges. They inform you about important changes and breakages when Upgrading a given package. |
| 15:06.09 | ctuininga | ctuininga: Thank you |
| 15:06.26 | superlinux | hi. how can I make a linux group membership effective without relogin? |
| 15:06.28 | ctuininga | BenBE: Thank you, that is. :) |
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| 15:06.34 | BenBE | chops1 Before I'll do this I'll probably do the php-geshi releases myself. |
| 15:06.56 | BenBE | The MediaWiki guys are just not on time ^^ |
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| 15:08.48 | dutchfish | i am wondering of there is a better solution then to add non-free to apt sources list, i need it only for firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree , that's it, kinda sadd |
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| 15:10.05 | azeem | dutchfish: wget? |
| 15:10.35 | chops1 | dutchfish: Why on Earth is adding a source that provides the software you want to install "sad"? |
| 15:10.40 | leg- | are there mount options to tweak samba performance on a winxp mount? I found several for samba acting as a server on debian but thats not what I need |
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| 15:10.49 | dutchfish | azeem: yees, i can install it maually but that would break as soon as a DSA induces a kernel update |
| 15:10.57 | dutchfish | s/yees/yes |
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| 15:12.57 | dutchfish | chops1: i don't like non-free as a repo on a server |
| 15:13.22 | azeem | dutchfish: why? |
| 15:13.32 | azeem | I don't believe firmware packages are coupled to the kernel API |
| 15:13.48 | azeem | or depend on any particular kernel, for that matter |
| 15:13.55 | dutchfish | azeem: some bin blobs are kernel specific |
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| 15:14.35 | dutchfish | azeem: but ok, i will find a way to make a v-packages that does the job, np, thanks |
| 15:14.43 | azeem | dutchfish: a what? |
| 15:14.56 | BenBE | Well, they aren't but it's kinda sad you have to install them by hand, instead of just asking the setup: Hey, you found some non-free WiFi card, could you install its firmware components for me - I don't care about non-free)? |
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| 15:16.21 | dutchfish | azeem: a package that that contains a piece of software and checks the kernel and pulls in the right firmware blob |
| 15:16.58 | azeem | dutchfish: sure - if you want to do unnecessary work |
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| 15:17.04 | azeem | sounds like weird idea to me though |
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| 15:17.53 | dutchfish | azeem: well, it has been done before like in sun java |
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| 15:18.16 | azeem | dutchfish: wait, are you a new dutchfish? |
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| 15:18.24 | azeem | I thought I saw your nick around for a while |
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| 15:18.40 | dutchfish | azeem: no |
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| 15:19.01 | azeem | which part of "the firmware packages do not depend on a particular kernel package" did you not understand |
| 15:19.05 | Dave4 | Hello. I've setup a IPV6 tunnel with Hurricane Electric's Tunnel Broker and configured /etc/network/interfaces as: http://pastebin.com/BpCQF6Eb. Can someone tell me what I have done wrong in this file as the interface isn't automatically working when I reboot the server? |
| 15:19.06 | LuciusMare | ohai |
| 15:19.08 | leg- | nobody that can help me? |
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| 15:20.04 | dutchfish | azeem: shrugh, all i think? |
| 15:20.07 | LuciusMare | Sometimes, when i quit iceweasel, it hangs, if i run it from the terminal, it still blocks the TTY, and when i want to run another instance, i cant, because "Another instance exists but is not responding" |
| 15:20.39 | karme | leg-: don't know but maybe man mount.cifs helps |
| 15:21.15 | BenBE | Dave4 mom ... |
| 15:22.08 | dutchfish | azeem: i will check it out, i probably made a huge mistake in believing that some (not all) fimrware is kernel-specific, thanks for the hint |
| 15:22.31 | chops1 | dutchfish: You want to install non-free software on the server, but you don't want a non-free line in sources.list? I honestly don't follow. |
| 15:22.43 | BenBE | Dave4 Are both local and remote address static IPs? |
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| 15:22.55 | chops1 | dutchfish: If it makes you feel better you could put a comment "# The following line is _not_ pulling in non-free software" above the non-free line in sources.list |
| 15:23.02 | BenBE | Dave4 What does your syslog\other logs tell about it? |
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| 15:23.07 | dutchfish | chops1: i want to restrict accendental install of non-free software |
| 15:23.11 | hile | dave4, maybe 109.74.197.138 is not up yet when this is configured? |
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| 15:23.25 | chops1 | dutchfish: You could install it then comment out the non-free line again |
| 15:23.40 | dutchfish | chops1: yes, thanks for the hint |
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| 15:24.08 | leg- | karme: No manual entry for mount.cifs |
| 15:24.17 | hile | well dave4 did not wait too long :) |
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| 15:31.23 | leOn | hello .. is the smb.conf man page supposed to be missing from samba in sid? |
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| 15:32.07 | lazy^ | dpkg samba |
| 15:32.07 | dpkg | Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported Samba 3.4.3 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bpo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>. |
| 15:32.17 | BenBE | leOn Oh, I guess that's fully intentional, as there's noone actually reading documentation! |
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| 15:36.45 | LuciusMare | Sometimes, when i quit iceweasel, it hangs, if i run it from the terminal, it still blocks the TTY, and when i want to run another instance, i cant, because "Another instance exists but is not responding" |
| 15:37.53 | BenBE | LuciusMare Install the necessary debugging symbols and attach a GDB session to such hung process. |
| 15:38.05 | BenBE | A stacktrace might help identifying the issue upstream ... |
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| 15:40.24 | BenBE | Is there an easy, mostly automatic way to install Debug Symbols for Pakages already installed? |
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| 15:43.21 | leg- | is nfs faster then samba? |
| 15:43.47 | leOn | the weird part is that version 3.4.6 source has smb.conf.5 in the manpages doc directory, but none of sids 3.4.2 packages has the smb.conf.5/smb.conf.5.gz file |
| 15:43.48 | SpeedyG | it's supposed to be |
| 15:44.24 | urezki | leg-: NFS can uses UDP for transfer data between hosts, in spite of samba |
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| 15:45.13 | chops1 | leOn: Try samba-doc maybe? |
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| 15:49.39 | leOn | heh .. just upgraded to 3.4.6 (current sid) and the man page isn't there either |
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| 15:50.14 | leOn | funny is that the source tarball has an smb.conf.5 file in the manpages folder |
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| 15:53.02 | adb | leOn, samba4: /usr/share/man/man8/samba.8.gz |
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| 15:54.35 | leOn | adb: that's actually fine, but i have version 3.4.6 installed, not samba4 |
| 15:54.42 | mfrisch | Hey will someone tell me the clone selections command real quick...PLEASE |
| 15:55.36 | chops1 | mfrisch: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=dpkg+clone+selections |
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| 15:57.03 | mfrisch | chops1: cute....and I did. |
| 15:57.11 | mfrisch | DEAD LINK |
| 15:57.17 | adb | leOn, maybe use 'apt-cache file samba manpage' for searching .. |
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| 16:01.28 | icebrain | the links works fine for me |
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| 16:07.03 | leOn | adb: i'm actually curious about samba4 .. i didn't know it was already part of sid. Have you tried it yourself? |
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| 16:09.08 | adb | leOn, no, sorry |
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| 16:42.25 | ukl | hello. I'm just asking to not be surprised: What happens when I delete the sda5 partition when /, swap, /home are sda{2,3,4} ? |
| 16:42.42 | ukl | I know I've got to change fstab and grub.cfg, but what will happen immediately? |
| 16:42.50 | ukl | (nothing, I hope. correct?) |
| 16:43.34 | krion | what's sda5 ? |
| 16:43.42 | ukl | nothing |
| 16:43.50 | krion | so nothing would happen :) |
| 16:43.51 | ukl | that is, it's a logical partition |
| 16:44.25 | ukl | I'm just confused because when I try to use gparted, it refuses to delete this partition while sda{6,7,8} are mounted |
| 16:44.44 | ukl | oh, I _mis-stated_ my question above, / swap /home are sda{6,7,8} ... |
| 16:44.53 | krion | what's sda{6,7,8} |
| 16:45.06 | ukl | sda6, sda7 and sda8, I meant |
| 16:45.18 | ukl | logical partitons |
| 16:46.04 | krion | isn't sda5 /boot ? |
| 16:46.30 | ukl | not in my setup |
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| 16:46.49 | ukl | sda5 was a lvm partition |
| 16:46.52 | krion | if you can't remove it while 6,7,8 are mounted should be a valuable reason |
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| 16:47.40 | ukl | well, fdisk doesn't care as far was I can tell (it hasn't complained but I havent written the partition table back to disk yet -- I wanted to ask first what might be to be expected) |
| 16:47.42 | krion | pastebin the output of {pv,vg,lv}display and fdisk -l /dev/sda if you can |
| 16:47.43 | leOn | ukl: you probably have to remove the partition from the volume group first |
| 16:48.13 | ukl | leOn: done that, pv, lv, vg, all gone |
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| 16:48.32 | laurus | Does anyone know of a program that generates HTML photo albums with thumbnails? |
| 16:48.45 | leOn | ukl: have you rescan it? |
| 16:48.49 | krion | laurus: gallery ? |
| 16:49.21 | leOn | laurus: tftgallery is pretty nice and simple .. doesn't require any database backend either |
| 16:49.28 | ukl | http://pastebin.com/KK3cLecE |
| 16:49.38 | laurus | I'll check those two out, thanks! |
| 16:49.49 | laurus | I'm trying to avoid reinventing the wheel here :P |
| 16:50.24 | chops1 | laurus: Use gallery2 instead of gallery |
| 16:50.25 | laurus | Hmm, no tftgallery package it seems |
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| 16:51.28 | leOn | ukl: you should be able to remove sd5 just fine .. wonder why is gparted complaining |
| 16:51.43 | leOn | does it throw any error? |
| 16:52.08 | ukl | leOn: just says it couldn't delete sda5 while higher numbered partitions are mounted |
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| 16:53.18 | leOn | hmm... probably because it tries to rename those higher partitions after removal |
| 16:53.37 | leOn | don't know if that's it's behaviour though |
| 16:53.52 | leOn | but it's the only plausible reason i can think of |
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| 16:59.58 | ukl | leOn: I think everything went just fine. Also used fdisk's ability to re-order the partition table to get the numbering right (according to the physical layout) |
| 17:00.03 | ukl | bye... |
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| 17:03.50 | Chiendelavoisine | Hello |
| 17:04.02 | Chiendelavoisine | I have any question |
| 17:04.15 | pallgone | !ask |
| 17:04.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:07.52 | Xenolove | Yes. |
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| 17:08.32 | Xenolove | Good bye. :-) |
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| 17:10.27 | Sergio` | I'm trying to use elinks with privoxy and tor and I uncommented the line forward-socks4a / 127.0.0.1:9050 . and restarted privoxy but I'm getting SOCKS request rejected or failed. What could I do? |
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| 17:11.28 | jhutchins_lt | Altering a partition table on a device with mounted partitions? Wow. That's, um, adventurous. |
| 17:14.13 | karme | leg-: man pages for mount.smbfs and mount.cifs should be in the smbfs package (at least they are on lenny) |
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| 17:21.37 | TomyLobo | can i somehow determine which package a file belongs to? |
| 17:21.54 | abrotman | TomyLobo: apt-file and dpkg -S |
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| 17:22.28 | TomyLobo | thanks |
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| 17:25.16 | hyperutz | anyone who can help me with a pptpd issue ? |
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| 17:26.40 | TomyLobo | wtf, does "apt-file update" download to memory or something? |
| 17:26.48 | TomyLobo | it just said "out of memory" and killed a process |
| 17:26.51 | hyperutz | here is my pptpd error: http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=31907 |
| 17:27.18 | humbolt | what happens, if I have a raid setup and I change the partition type of the raid from FD (raid autodetect) to DA (non-fs data)? |
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| 17:27.33 | humbolt | can this destroy my raid? |
| 17:27.48 | abrotman | TomyLobo: that's not good .. and really shouldn't happen |
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| 17:28.14 | TomyLobo | it killed nepomuksomething |
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| 17:34.18 | ukl | hello, me again. Everything's fine -- almost. after reordering partition numbers, grub fails to boot -- it works if I use another grub install (usb drive) and tell it where to find it's configfile, but when I just boot my system, I end up with "grub rescue>" |
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| 17:35.20 | Hoppipola | Hi, |
| 17:37.13 | mino | hi, are EFI partition tables enabled in the default kernel of debian lenny or is there way to get it? |
| 17:37.17 | ukl | so... where can I change what grub2 thinks about where to find its grub.cfg ? |
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| 17:39.04 | Hoppipola | I have a problem with my RAID 5 /dev/md1 device. Here is my fdisk -l and my mdadm -D /dev/md0 and md1 http://pastebin.com/MBmyrdc4 I recently lost a disk, and failed, removed it, and added a new one. I am trying to mount now, and I can't because I get this error http://pastebin.com/8sSV4xtq |
| 17:39.25 | Hoppipola | whoops |
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| 17:39.28 | Hoppipola | I have a problem with my RAID 5 /dev/md1 device. Here is my fdisk -l and my mdadm -D /dev/md0 and md1 http://pastebin.com/MBmyrdc4 I recently lost a disk, and failed, removed it, and added a new one. I am trying to mount now, and I can't because I get this error http://pastebin.com/8sSV4xtq |
| 17:39.32 | Hoppipola | there we go |
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| 17:40.13 | Hoppipola | is there a way to retrieve the data from the md1, ANY of the data? |
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| 17:40.29 | abrotman | Hoppipola: uname -r |
| 17:40.31 | goose | I'm using a perl infobot on my new server, and it pings out all the time, including when connected to local host. It didn't happen on my old server. I'm wondering if there's any perl dependencies which I may have not installed on the new server which could help improve/eliminate this issue. Any ideas? |
| 17:40.57 | Hoppipola | abrotman: 2.6.31-14-generic |
| 17:41.18 | abrotman | Hoppipola: please go to #ubuntu for support |
| 17:41.34 | Hoppipola | abrotman: I did, I am runing debian but I am booting through ubuntu livecd |
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| 17:43.06 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 17:44.00 | hile | Hoppipola: so have you run fsck on the filesystems? |
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| 17:45.13 | Hoppipola | hile: yeah only on one, and it gave me a TON of superblock errors, but I am also not familiar with fsck syntax very well |
| 17:45.46 | Hoppipola | hile: basically it tried to fix every single block manually |
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| 17:46.17 | hile | that's quite normal if it the filesystem is screwed |
| 17:46.27 | Evet | i added backports to sources.list, aptitude update outputs "There is no public key available for the following key" |
| 17:46.56 | Hoppipola | hile: ah, okay |
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| 17:48.25 | abrotman | Evet: the website tells you how to do that in the Instructions section |
| 17:48.35 | hile | get something to drink, fsck /dev/md1 and you can pretty much sit on enter for most messages it says - you could also run with -y to answer yes to most questions |
| 17:48.50 | Evet | abrotman: debian-backports-keyring is installed |
| 17:49.02 | hile | of course, if you are not familiar with fsck messages, -y is as good as you pressing enter anyway |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | and you ran apt-get update;aptitude update after installing that ? |
| 17:49.17 | Evet | abrotman: sure |
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| 17:49.57 | hile | Evet: installed to the keyring with apt-key as well? |
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| 17:50.34 | hile | if you're unsure, please pastebin for us output of apt-key list |
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| 17:51.08 | Evet | backports key is shown in apt-key list |
| 17:51.45 | hile | maybe you have wrong key :) |
| 17:52.44 | Evet | hile: same key works for another machinne |
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| 17:53.07 | hile | and what did you have for backports in sources.list? |
| 17:53.26 | Evet | hile: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 17:56.04 | hile | evet, is your computer clock by any change wrong by 10 years or something? |
| 17:57.05 | hile | very unlikely, just checking |
| 17:58.02 | Evet | hile: just realised something. debian-archive-keyring 2008.04.16+nmu1 |
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| 17:58.34 | hile | yeah :) |
| 17:59.21 | Evet | hile: purged and reinstaalled it. still 2008.04.16+nmu1 |
| 17:59.26 | Evet | where to find newest one? |
| 17:59.42 | jelly-home | Evet: not that debian-archive-keyring != debian-backports-keyring |
| 17:59.51 | jelly-home | not? note |
| 18:00.01 | Evet | jelly-home: sure |
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| 18:01.18 | HTT-Bird | hey all |
| 18:01.51 | phiwer | is there anything special that needs to be done to run php scripts in public_Html besides enabling userdirs and php? |
| 18:01.55 | HTT-Bird | I'm trying to get iceowl to run under alltray, and I get a "**ERROR:gnome_theme.c:207:parse_theme: assertion failed: (content)" followed by an abort |
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| 18:03.11 | HTT-Bird | what gives? |
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| 18:07.29 | Evet | is looking for an archive keyring :) |
| 18:08.47 | chops1 | !tell HTT-Bird about bts |
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| 18:09.54 | hile | evet, check the instructions on the web, the keyring is available after you have installed current key manually |
| 18:09.55 | HTT-Bird | chops1: already looked at alltray's bug reports |
| 18:10.02 | HTT-Bird | chops1: and have come up empty :@ |
| 18:10.19 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: File one? :-) |
| 18:10.40 | hile | evet, point is to get initial setup with the instructions and use the package later to get updates to the key automatically... |
| 18:10.48 | mino | does it make sense to use lvm on top of a hardware raid? I think backup with lvmsnapshots is better, but is there any penalty? |
| 18:11.02 | HTT-Bird | chops1: looking at iceowl's bugs, but I don't know which package is tossing the error :@ |
| 18:11.09 | HTT-Bird | so I don't know which package to file the bug against |
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| 18:11.49 | hile | mino, I would say no penalty at all |
| 18:12.16 | mino | hile: what about expanding the raid? |
| 18:12.29 | mino | i think its more complex with lvm on top of it |
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| 18:12.42 | mino | because you need to resize the pv also and i think there is no pvexpand cmd |
| 18:13.05 | hile | just a couple commands, not really complicated in my opinion |
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| 18:13.57 | hile | mino, pvresize does it |
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| 18:14.22 | Cyr | Hi, |
| 18:14.29 | hile | with autodetection even |
| 18:14.38 | Cyr | Does "aptitude full-upgrade" upgrades the kernel? |
| 18:14.57 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: I would file it against alltray and let it be refiled if that's not right... but if something isn' |
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| 18:15.03 | dvs | Cyr: no |
| 18:15.07 | chops1 | t working, it's better for it to go into the BTS if you're pretty sure it's a bug |
| 18:15.08 | jcranmer | so I updated X |
| 18:15.11 | HTT-Bird | chops1: my guess is that alltray is to blame |
| 18:15.12 | Cyr | ha! :-) |
| 18:15.16 | jcranmer | and now page up and page down stopped working correctly |
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| 18:15.28 | chops1 | Cyr: It does once you reboot |
| 18:15.33 | Cyr | That's why my upgrade to "testing" was a little tricky :-) |
| 18:15.35 | mino | hile: okay, so i will setup a lvm on a hardware raid 50 |
| 18:15.39 | Cyr | ho |
| 18:15.45 | dvs | Cyr: you need to install the linux-image-??? package to make that happen |
| 18:15.57 | HTT-Bird | chops1: firing up reportbug now. :) this is only the second Debian bug I have ever reported, the first has gone ABSOLUTELY nowhere :P |
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| 18:16.12 | chops1 | dvs: Or not, depending on what's installed and what new versions of the kernel are available |
| 18:16.27 | jcranmer | according to xkeycaps, it's registering both a Page up and a numpad / when I hit page up |
| 18:16.30 | chops1 | dvs: Non-ABI-changing new kernel versions will get pulled down by an aptitude full-upgrade |
| 18:16.36 | jcranmer | and a page down + the file key |
| 18:16.37 | Cyr | hey!? |
| 18:16.41 | HTT-Bird | chops1: I just made reportbug segfault :@ |
| 18:16.44 | bzrk | dvs: i update my kernel with dist-upgrade so if you have the linux-2.6 package it will upgrade the kernel too |
| 18:16.53 | jcranmer | home and end are similarly broken |
| 18:16.58 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: Yeah, that happens. Still, it's better for it to be filed than not. Certainly it's less likely to get looked at if there's no bug. |
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| 18:17.05 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: File a second bug :-) |
| 18:17.06 | dvs | chops1: yeah, but when upgraded to a new release, the ABI most likely changes. |
| 18:17.09 | HTT-Bird | chops1: I didn't get a CHANCE to file a bug lol |
| 18:17.26 | HTT-Bird | chops1: lol |
| 18:17.42 | dvs | bzrk: That's what I just told Cyr. |
| 18:17.50 | HTT-Bird | reportbug just asserted three times and threw a floating point exception when I tried to report a bug against itself |
| 18:17.54 | chops1 | dvs: For "most likely changes" read "doesn't always change." Also, as bzrk and I pointed out, it depends on what packages you have installed. |
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| 18:18.07 | Cyr | well, thing is: When I did "aptitude full-upgrade" from lenny to squeeze, it didn't work so easilly |
| 18:18.09 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: Are you sure you don't have dodgy memory or an overheated machine or something? |
| 18:18.32 | chops1 | Cyr: udev problems? |
| 18:18.34 | Cyr | udev complained about the kernel supporting a deprecated "SYSFS" option |
| 18:18.37 | hile | mino, if you want snapshots, remember to leave space for them in vg :) |
| 18:18.41 | Cyr | chops1: :-) |
| 18:18.47 | Cyr | you're reading in my mind :-) |
| 18:18.57 | HTT-Bird | chops1: off chance the box could be overheating a bit, it is a laptop...don't think it's dodgy memory though |
| 18:19.18 | chops1 | Cyr: I've heard that there were problems with udev when upgrading lenny to squeeze... I would have thought they're resolved by now, but maybe not. Sorry, I'm not sure how to solve them if there is still an issue. |
| 18:19.22 | HTT-Bird | as trying again yielded the EXACT same error :( |
| 18:19.33 | Cyr | I've fixed it |
| 18:19.36 | Cyr | it's easy |
| 18:19.38 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: That's odd. What release are you running? Have you upgraded recently? |
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| 18:19.55 | HTT-Bird | chops1: sqeeze, and I safe-upgraded just today |
| 18:19.59 | Cyr | but still too difficult for a regular user |
| 18:20.06 | HTT-Bird | (update-manager doesn't install updates on my box) |
| 18:20.15 | HTT-Bird | I did pull a new libc yesterday |
| 18:20.33 | mino | hile: so you're tip is not to give the whole space to Logical Volumes, because Snapshots are stored in the underlying vg? |
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| 18:20.38 | HTT-Bird | *squeeze :p |
| 18:20.39 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: Why safe-upgrade and not full-upgrade? |
| 18:21.10 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: Sounds like you might be hosed... can you pastebin the exact reportbug problem? |
| 18:21.40 | hile | mino, yeah, that's how LVM snapshots work |
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| 18:22.14 | hile | mino, and it's always easier to extend than shrink, so you can reclaim the space later anyway to some lv if you decide not to snapshot |
| 18:22.14 | mino | hile: okay, good tip i even havent thought about it :P |
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| 18:22.41 | Cyr | The issue is: apt refuses to update udev because kernel has the "CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED" option... This cancels full-upgrade |
| 18:22.48 | Bird|ghosted | hey chops1, HTT-Bird here, from the Debian box (my laptop) |
| 18:23.00 | Bird|ghosted | http://codepad.org/Gk0A0Jeg |
| 18:23.01 | Cyr | though I was thinking that full-upgrade was upgrading my kernel all together |
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| 18:23.30 | Bird|ghosted | ^^ pastebin'ed errors, first run is when I tried to report against alltray, second & third were when I tried to report the first issue as a bug in reportbug |
| 18:23.45 | hile | mino, 5% is _usually_ enough, of course very busy setup might need even 10% - you need the space for the snapshot's lifetime only, ii.e. 'snapshot && backup snapshot && destroy snapshot' cycle |
| 18:23.46 | dvs | Cyr: the upgrade instructions usually say to upgrade the kernel first |
| 18:24.27 | hile | mino, this space is calculated by "how much new data is written to the disk during snapshot is active" |
| 18:24.31 | flexy | If I run 'smartctl --health --quietmode=errorsonly /dev/sda' in a cron script, it outputs nothing when /dev/sda is OK.. I tried... But what kind of output does it produce when there is something to report, failure of some sort? |
| 18:24.36 | Cyr | So, I had to create a file "/etc/udev/kernel-upgrade", upgrade the kernel "offline" with dpkg, then relaunch "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 18:24.47 | mino | hile: Ahh i get it. A snapshot has only the changes not the whole frozen data |
| 18:25.08 | chops1 | Bird|ghosted: First thing I'd try is a full-upgrade |
| 18:25.15 | hile | mino about so, I don't remember exact details |
| 18:25.17 | Bird|ghosted | will do :) |
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| 18:25.42 | FIReun | does Ben Hutchings use irc? |
| 18:25.51 | FIReun | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568846 |
| 18:26.26 | mino | hile: inside of lvm a snapshot is the diff to the the medium when it was initialized. But you can mount it and access the whole data |
| 18:27.09 | abrotman | FIReun: he does .. but probably not in this channel |
| 18:27.18 | hile | mino, snapshot shows just as a separate block device which you mount or dd, yes |
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| 18:27.41 | abrotman | FIReun: but the bug seems closed |
| 18:28.03 | FIReun | abrotman: its still a problem for me, so I guess I need to reopen it? |
| 18:28.13 | abrotman | FIReun: uname -r |
| 18:28.14 | jcranmer | I suspect it's one of the xserver-xorg-input-* packages causing my problem? |
| 18:28.15 | chops1 | So I'm trying to have LDAP authentication against Active Directory over SSL, but I'm not sure how to set up the server certificate. I tried "tls_checkpeer no" to sidestep the whole issue, but I still get "TLS certificate verification: Error, Unknown error". Anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:28.24 | FIReun | abrotman: I have 2.6.32 and firmware nonfree .22 and it still fails to load |
| 18:28.35 | FIReun | abrotman: 2.6.32-2 |
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| 18:28.52 | UukGoblin | hi |
| 18:28.58 | mino | hile: but on penality is there with lvm... a physical defect medium isnt so easy restorable when the filesystem is encapsulated in lvm |
| 18:29.07 | UukGoblin | how do I tell debian that I DON'T want a framebuffer? |
| 18:29.14 | FIReun | abrotman: and I really dont like how 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 was pulled out of the repo when -2 came out |
| 18:29.16 | mino | but i use a raid50 so it isnt that easy at all :P |
| 18:29.26 | UukGoblin | I tried to upgrade my wacom tablet xorg input driver and it suddenly decided to switch framebuffer on for me |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | FIReun: then don't use unstable |
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| 18:29.58 | UukGoblin | I can't seem to be able to produce a working initrd with the help of cpio -o and gzip |
| 18:30.01 | FIReun | abrotman: I would think unstable would include *several* unstable versions (of various stability) |
| 18:30.06 | hile | mino, lvm just sees the md and nothing else, it's exactly same changes with raid admin tools as with any other setup |
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| 18:30.39 | abrotman | FIReun: yeah .. because the kernel team can't wait to have people submit bugs for numerous experimental kernels in unstable .. that'd be awesome |
| 18:30.52 | hile | mino, for single disk setups I consider lvm just a fancy partitioning system :) |
| 18:31.15 | mino | hile: my hardware raid is for lvm one single disk |
| 18:31.20 | FIReun | abrotman: you should add more sugar to your coffee, you sound very bitter |
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| 18:31.41 | abrotman | FIReun: really? you're the one complaining |
| 18:31.47 | hile | mino, yes but if a disk fails, your RAID will take care of it as usual, lvm will not see anything if the RAID can still recover |
| 18:31.51 | FIReun | abrotman: I'm just looking to resolve a problem |
| 18:32.05 | abrotman | FIReun: see above .. don't run unstable |
| 18:32.08 | jcranmer | okay, so with xinput |
| 18:32.23 | FIReun | abrotman: way to encourage someone to stick with debian |
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| 18:32.35 | mino | hile: true. But when the raid fails and i get it to partially rebuild, i need to fix lvm then too after i can access the filesystem |
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| 18:32.38 | jcranmer | I find that the keyboard 12 is saying that PgUp == 112, while keyboard 7 says that PgUp = 99 |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | FIReun: unstable isn't meant for every day users .. it's for developers and testers .. you have a bug, that's part of running unstable |
| 18:32.51 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, here's one for you to ponder for a second: b43+478.xx firmware+a BCM4315+Foundry routers+ISC dhclient = dhcp failure |
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| 18:33.09 | hile | mino, what you need fix in lvm in this case? |
| 18:33.10 | jcranmer | how do I disable one of the keyboards? |
| 18:33.12 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: not surprised |
| 18:33.14 | Bird|ghosted | subbing in wl for b43 (with the associated change in firmware versions) made it go away |
| 18:33.24 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, but it only occurs with Foundry gear |
| 18:33.43 | Bird|ghosted | Cisco (incl. Linksys) gear on the router-end works as normal |
| 18:33.57 | Bird|ghosted | which is the real head-scratcher :P |
| 18:34.01 | abrotman | Bird|ghosted: did you look for a firmware update for the non-working router ? |
| 18:34.17 | Bird|ghosted | abrotman, I don't control the firmware on the non-working routers :P |
| 18:34.23 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:34.24 | Bird|ghosted | (or the working ones either) |
| 18:34.39 | Bird|ghosted | otherwise I'd have gone looking for one already :) |
| 18:34.44 | hile | mino, think about it like losing your partition table ... and if you ose the lvm info completely, partition recovery tools can still find the logical partitions 'somewhere there' just like with raw disk with no partition table or no idea about their locations |
| 18:34.57 | mino | hile: an example: i know my raid write the first Bit to Disk one and the second one to Disk two. I can access all 2nd bits by dd out the first disk... but not when lvm is on it... because i dunno how lvm changed this behaviour |
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| 18:35.08 | chops1 | FIReun: He is bitter, but he's also right... it's not feasible to keep too many versions of kernels around. Debian used to do it that way and it was a huge amount of work. |
| 18:35.08 | jcranmer | better question |
| 18:35.23 | FIReun | chops1: two is unreasonable? |
| 18:35.34 | chops1 | FIReun: Twice as much work as one |
| 18:35.48 | FIReun | chops1: I think there's probably a way of handling that |
| 18:35.57 | chops1 | FIReun: You still do have the older versions from snapshots if you want to run something that's not being shipped in unstable anymore |
| 18:35.59 | FIReun | other than just removing it the same day you add a new one |
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| 18:36.30 | FIReun | chops1: I dredged thru the web repos, thinking it might still be in there somewhere.. it doesnt even "exist" anymore |
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| 18:36.41 | hile | mino, I don't understand why that would help recovering the system in such situation: lvm just creates virtual block devices to offsets on the disk |
| 18:36.41 | chops1 | FIReun: Did you check snapshots? |
| 18:36.49 | jcranmer | how do I prevent xinput from creating an "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" ? |
| 18:36.50 | FIReun | chops1: I'll look |
| 18:36.55 | abrotman | chops1: i'm far from bitter |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:37.09 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 18:37.12 | hile | mino, simplified, of course the management part does more than just redirect bits |
| 18:37.24 | HTT-Bird | chops1: full-upgrade fixed the underlying issue with alltray blowing up |
| 18:37.26 | HTT-Bird | :o |
| 18:37.37 | hile | mino, but if you're unsure, just go without it, no big deal :) |
| 18:37.55 | mino | hile: can i understand it in a way of how virtual memory adresses to real memory is used? |
| 18:37.57 | abrotman | FIReun: part of running unstable is the breakage .. if you want bleeding edge .. you get broken bits sometimes .. that's the way it happens .. if you need something that is more stable, use stable or testing |
| 18:38.00 | nsadmin | and yet there are several kernels when you count the vserver and xen kernels |
| 18:38.10 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: Nice. Probably some package needs tighter dependencies. What changed when you did the full-upgrade? |
| 18:38.21 | HTT-Bird | chops1: now for a different problem: iceowl starts up and runs under alltray, but I don't get a tray icon |
| 18:38.24 | hile | mino, see some papers about LVM, I don't even know details at that level |
| 18:38.32 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: BTS? :-) |
| 18:38.35 | HTT-Bird | chops1: a bunch of GCJ related crap and some stuff with updated manager |
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| 18:38.39 | FIReun | abrotman: well, unstable is for testing the waters, and if you're not receptive to identifying problems, whats the point? |
| 18:38.40 | HTT-Bird | *update manager |
| 18:38.46 | HTT-Bird | as well as some python/gnome related bits |
| 18:38.53 | hile | mino, I don't actually know how the space is allocated and split in a VG |
| 18:38.54 | mino | hile: okay i will do. Thanks for tips and time. |
| 18:38.56 | FIReun | abrotman: might as well be "experimental" and eliminate "unstable" |
| 18:39.04 | hile | mino, always nice to talk :) |
| 18:39.04 | abrotman | FIReun: the DD closed it .. he says it's fixed .. i don't own any radeon hardware, so i have to go with the DD and agree that it's fixed |
| 18:39.10 | TomyLobo | is ipw2200 an iwl-based driver? |
| 18:39.19 | chops1 | FIReun: Unstable is not for testing the waters; testing is for that. unstable is for active development. |
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| 18:39.37 | abrotman | FIReun: perhaps we should include an aptitude exam to see if people are capable of running unstable (experimental is not a version of debian) |
| 18:39.40 | FIReun | chops1: testing is for regression testing |
| 18:39.51 | nsadmin | testing what waters btw? |
| 18:39.54 | dvs | applauds abrotman |
| 18:39.55 | FIReun | abrotman: thats it, you're just a twat |
| 18:40.02 | chops1 | FIReun: Whoa |
| 18:40.03 | FIReun | chops1: I understand, I do. |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | FIReun: have fun with ubuntu .. bye |
| 18:40.24 | HTT-Bird | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553314 <-- chops1, that bug only covers part of my issue |
| 18:40.29 | FIReun | chops1: this is not my first linux dance |
| 18:40.42 | HTT-Bird | what should I do about it until that bug gets fixed though? |
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| 18:40.57 | HTT-Bird | is there another package that provides the functionality of alltray? |
| 18:41.15 | abrotman | chops1: unfortunately .. people that aren't capable decide to run unstable, then come here to whine .. |
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| 18:41.26 | FIReun | chops1: and I suppose you get a lot of newbies here, and get callus because of it |
| 18:41.27 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: I would file a separate bug about your exact issue; it looks like the maintainer's pretty responsive |
| 18:41.27 | HTT-Bird | abrotman: that's why I stick with testing :) |
| 18:41.37 | dvs | HTT-Bird: same here. I'm lazy! |
| 18:41.40 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: In the meantime you can downgrade to the working version |
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| 18:41.57 | HTT-Bird | chops1: and that version is..? :) |
| 18:42.04 | nsadmin | FIReun is it your first debian dance? debian packaging is often a source of breakage in testing and unstable |
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| 18:42.21 | FIReun | nsadmin: nope, this is old hat for me |
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| 18:42.53 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1815843 |
| 18:42.57 | bsmntbombdood | what's wrong here? |
| 18:43.02 | HTT-Bird | chops1: reportbug says that the package is orphaned |
| 18:43.04 | FIReun | nsadmin: so to be treated as if I need to pass a apt intelligence test is a little insulting to say the least |
| 18:43.04 | chops1 | FIReun: You call someone a "twat" and then say I'm callous because I'm not being extra nice to you while explaining how you can solve your problem and what the various versions of Debian are for? Unstable is not for testing. Often it has parts that don't work at all without fooling with dpkg by hand. |
| 18:43.07 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: it tells you how to fix it |
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| 18:43.15 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: :-( |
| 18:43.18 | dvs | bsmntbombdood: line 9? |
| 18:43.20 | FIReun | chops1: I didnt call you that, you've been quite helpful. |
| 18:43.33 | bsmntbombdood | http://pastebin.ca/1815844 |
| 18:43.48 | abrotman | FIReun: but you have lowered the intelligence of the room by resorting to name-calling .. thanks! |
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| 18:44.23 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: it tells you how to fix the issue in the error message |
| 18:44.26 | dvs | bsmntbombdood: line 30?\ |
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| 18:44.32 | flexy | If I run 'smartctl --health --quietmode=errorsonly /dev/sda' in a cron script, it outputs nothing when /dev/sda is OK.. I tried... But what kind of output does it produce when there is something to report, failure of some sort? different value on echo $? I'm trying to make a script that does something if there is something to report from smartctl command. |
| 18:45.08 | bsmntbombdood | i can't upgrade the kernel either |
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| 18:45.10 | HTT-Bird | chops, filing bug |
| 18:45.31 | chops1 | I think we've wandered a bit far away from the main point here, which is solving my LDAPS certificate problem. Does anyone know how to configure LDAPS in libpam_ldap so it actually works? |
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| 18:45.45 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: did you add the file it told you to? |
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| 18:46.10 | chops1 | I see all sorts of stuff in the debug log about TLS, but TLS is vastly different from LDAPS (i.e. LDAP over SSL on port 636), isn't it? |
| 18:46.20 | bsmntbombdood | the file it says not to add unless you know what you are doing? |
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| 18:46.24 | bsmntbombdood | i have no idea what i'm doing |
| 18:46.34 | abrotman | but you're going from lenny to squeeze ? |
| 18:46.36 | triton | im trying to run a script with init.d at boot, it runs but never finishes i think, its mounting stuff but it never mounts properly. is there a timeout or something? when i run manually it works but takes like 20seec |
| 18:46.42 | HTT-Bird | chops1: bug filed |
| 18:46.44 | triton | oh and i have squeeze |
| 18:46.46 | dvs | laughs |
| 18:46.56 | hile | chops1: not really, there is no separate config for ldaps and ldap+tls in port 386 |
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| 18:47.22 | abrotman | triton: what are you mounting ? |
| 18:47.22 | chops1 | hile: How can that be? I thought they were very different protocols. |
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| 18:47.32 | HTT-Bird | chops1: what do I do in the meantime though to get the functionality I need? (namely, Iceowl running in the background with a tray icon, so that I don't have it taking up taskbar space but it is still running so that it can present alarms) |
| 18:47.33 | chops1 | hile: (Except for the fact that they're both encrypted LDAP, obviously) |
| 18:47.34 | triton | abrotman like 6 usb disks |
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| 18:47.49 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: Downgrade to a working version of alltray |
| 18:47.52 | hile | chops1: protocol as in handshake phase is different, both use same certificate files |
| 18:48.04 | abrotman | triton: is the script something you can put in a pastebin ? |
| 18:48.08 | triton | sure |
| 18:48.09 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:48.14 | HTT-Bird | alright, *check's stable's alltray version* |
| 18:48.38 | triton | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/61856/ |
| 18:48.45 | bsmntbombdood | what's the "safer way"? |
| 18:48.50 | HTT-Bird | chops1: bad news, it seems that alltray in stable = 0.69-1 |
| 18:48.59 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: it tells you how to do it |
| 18:49.07 | HTT-Bird | which is affected by the one bug that is similar to mine |
| 18:49.10 | HTT-Bird | :( |
| 18:49.14 | abrotman | triton: use the full path perhaps |
| 18:49.20 | bsmntbombdood | abrotman: explain |
| 18:49.24 | triton | what full paths |
| 18:49.29 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: it already did! |
| 18:49.41 | abrotman | triton: to mount/umount/mhddfs |
| 18:49.44 | triton | ah |
| 18:49.48 | triton | ok |
| 18:49.56 | triton | but is there some timeout by default or something? |
| 18:50.06 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of |
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| 18:50.39 | bsmntbombdood | abrotman: ... |
| 18:51.05 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: May be time to find a new solution :-(. You can always try to fix the bug yourself (which is time-consuming but educational) |
| 18:51.22 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: !!! |
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| 18:51.39 | HTT-Bird | chops1: the only other package that I know of that performs that function is docky, but the latter is not in Debian for reasons that are WAY beyond me |
| 18:51.40 | chops1 | hile: Do you happen to know what kind of certificate it wants? I'm wondering if I'm giving it the wrong format for the cert file (I tried *.cer and *.crt) |
| 18:51.43 | dvs | ??? |
| 18:51.52 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: it tells you to create that file |
| 18:51.57 | hile | chops1: check /etc/default/slapd on server side for SLAPD_SERVICES if you're unsure ldaps:// is not enabled, make sure /etc/ldap/slapd.conf has TLSCACertificateFile, TLSCertificateFile and TLSCertificateKeyFile |
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| 18:52.07 | bsmntbombdood | abrotman: it tells you _not_ to create that file |
| 18:52.13 | chops1 | hile: The server is Active Directory |
| 18:52.25 | hile | chops1: oh then I raise my hands :) |
| 18:52.26 | chops1 | hile: It does have LDAPS enabled (I have other clients talking LDAPS to it already) |
| 18:52.30 | abrotman | bsmntbombdood: only if you don't know what you're doing .. |
| 18:52.36 | chops1 | hile: Yeah, you and libpam_ldap both :-) |
| 18:52.49 | triton | abrotman it didnt work |
| 18:52.52 | HTT-Bird | bsmntbombdood: create the file, in this case you DO know what you're doing. :) |
| 18:53.21 | abrotman | kind of .. |
| 18:53.31 | abrotman | triton: does it do that 'touch' .. does the file get created ? |
| 18:53.33 | hile | chops1: I just have ssl start_tls, tls_checkpeer yes and the CA key in tls_cacertfile in PEM format |
| 18:53.36 | chops1 | hile: I'm actually sort of suprised by how out-of-boxishly it's working (you set "pam_password ad" and it's all supposed to just work), except for the part about not working. |
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| 18:53.47 | triton | abrotman yeah |
| 18:53.54 | triton | i added that touch to see if it runs |
| 18:53.56 | triton | and it gets called |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | triton: perhaps have it have another touch at the bottom of the script |
| 18:54.08 | triton | k |
| 18:54.12 | chops1 | hile: Yeah, I'm trying to use "ssl on" instead... it looks from looking at the source like it should be doing the right thing, but I'm concerned by the "tls_read" debug messages I see. |
| 18:54.39 | chops1 | I even tried "tls_checkpeer no", and I get the same, so I'm feeling it may be a handshaking problem and not a certificate problem |
| 18:54.42 | hile | chops1: and you give the server uri as ldaps://foo/ |
| 18:54.44 | HTT-Bird | chops1: docky is in Ubuntu though :o do you think I could try using the Ubuntu package on my box? (after making sure that the dependencies were satisfied) |
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| 18:55.17 | chops1 | HTT-Bird: I'd not recommend it. You might consider recompiling the source package from Ubuntu, but definitely don't install the binary on your Debian system. |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | triton: you could also put a 'set -x' or perhaps a 'script' at the top |
| 18:55.30 | triton | what does that do |
| 18:55.31 | hile | chops1: anyway, I'm quite sure you can just forget the port 636 SSL and use TLS |
| 18:55.39 | chops1 | hile: Oh, really? |
| 18:55.52 | hile | chops1: they usually work both same time |
| 18:55.55 | HTT-Bird | chops1: I'll go with the source package route, I've compiled stuff on that box b4, in fact I ran Gentoo at one point :P |
| 18:56.06 | triton | abrotman i added more touches and it runs till the end |
| 18:56.08 | triton | this is weird |
| 18:56.10 | HTT-Bird | (last thing I recall compiling was ngspice, and the bug I filed on it was that there was no amd64 binary for it) |
| 18:56.33 | triton | maybe because they are usb disks it doesnt detect them at boot |
| 18:56.36 | triton | dont know |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | triton: nah, but perhaps they need to 'settle' ? |
| 18:56.56 | hile | chops1: difference is like imaps port 993 vs. imap+tls port 443 ... first starts with SSL handshake, second starts with unencrpyted and the TLS handshake to establish encrypted connection |
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| 18:57.01 | triton | abchirk maybe |
| 18:57.10 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 18:57.10 | triton | abrotman maybe, how do i allow that? |
| 18:57.10 | dpkg | pours a litre of Jever for abchirk |
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| 18:57.15 | triton | sleep in the script? |
| 18:57.17 | chops1 | hile: Hm, same error (unknown certificate error) :-( |
| 18:57.28 | abrotman | triton: you could .. or check to make sure that /dev/sda1 exists ? |
| 18:57.35 | chops1 | hile: Though that way it seems to fall back to doing some unencrypted conversation afterwards (!) |
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| 18:57.55 | abchirk | cool ;-= |
| 18:58.00 | hile | chops1: it's up to configuration if you allow fallback or not |
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| 18:58.24 | craigevil | HTT-Bird: if all you need is icedove in the tray you might try the extension FireTray, works fine on thunderbird and firefox |
| 18:58.29 | hile | anyway, I did not see the error message to start with :) |
| 18:58.51 | HTT-Bird | craigevil: not icedove, iceowl |
| 18:59.02 | HTT-Bird | (iceowl = Sunbird = stand-alone calendaring app) |
| 18:59.06 | hile | chops1: you sure you have the CA certificate for verifying, not the server public cert? |
| 18:59.08 | craigevil | HTT-Bird: ah read it wrong |
| 18:59.20 | HTT-Bird | craigevil: does FireTray work with Sunbird though? |
| 18:59.23 | triton | the sleep did the trick abrotman |
| 18:59.24 | triton | thanks |
| 18:59.33 | chops1 | hile: Oops -- no, I intended to use the server public cert. I need to use the CA cert instead? |
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| 19:00.02 | hile | chops1: the tls_cacertfile cert is just used to check the remote end is signed with known CA, so yes |
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| 19:00.43 | hile | chops1: I don't even remember if you can tell server specific certificates like that for openldap, but then again, I always use internal CA with these :) |
| 19:01.05 | HTT-Bird | craigevil: yeah, it looks as if sunbird should be compatible with firetray |
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| 19:02.27 | chops1 | hile: Ah... okay, let me try fixing that |
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| 19:03.13 | chops1 | hile: And I guess that makes sense, given that the option is called "tls_cacertfile" and not something else :-) |
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| 19:03.29 | hile | yes :) |
| 19:03.56 | chops1 | hile: Jackpot! "TLS: hostname (10.101.151.15) does not match common name in certificate (Quarte\ |
| 19:03.56 | chops1 | rs.DEMIURGE.LOCAL)." Easy enough to fix... |
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| 19:06.20 | chops1 | Er... oh, God. "TLS: hostname (ForestDnsZones.DEMIURGE.LOCAL) does not match common name in certificate (Quarters.DEMIURGE.LOCAL)." I don't know why the AD server is handing out references to "ldaps://forestdnszones", but I don't like it. Ugh. |
| 19:07.00 | hile | well, at least something obvious to fix |
| 19:07.35 | hile | chops1: meanwhile, you may leave out tls_checkpeer and I guess it does not care about these |
| 19:08.06 | hile | of course, then there is no security against mitm but ... |
| 19:08.36 | HTT-Bird | craigevil, chops: TY :D |
| 19:08.45 | HTT-Bird | firetray worked |
| 19:09.42 | chops1 | hile: Yeah, disabling tls_checkpeer gets it a little further in the process... thanks very much, that was a lot of helpful! |
| 19:09.57 | chops1 | hile: I'm sure I'll get stuck again soon. This has been the most painful Debian configuration thing I've done in a long time. |
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| 19:10.35 | hile | I guess you'll get it working after this issue, there are not so many nasty things in the TLS setup. if it already worked plaintext, it will be ok :) |
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| 19:10.49 | mohadib | howdy peoples |
| 19:11.04 | mohadib | is it hard to get a pkg in the official debian repo? |
| 19:11.50 | icebrain | nmg |
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| 19:11.55 | icebrain | !nmg |
| 19:11.55 | chops1 | mohadib: Reasonably. What package would you want to start maintaining? |
| 19:11.56 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelp |
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| 19:12.16 | mohadib | chops1: i wrote an app, to make gmail a little more like a desktop app |
| 19:12.34 | mohadib | its better than the 1001 gmail notifiers i have seen |
| 19:12.36 | mohadib | and does more |
| 19:12.42 | mohadib | icebrain: thanks |
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| 19:13.24 | __klamath__ | little question, apt says there are packages no more necessary, but I don't want to uninstall them, how can I tell him I want keep them ? |
| 19:13.55 | chops1 | __klamath__: aptitude unmarkauto |
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| 19:15.05 | __klamath__ | chops1: tried with 'aptitude unmarkauto' and it tells me to uninstall them ( ? ) |
| 19:15.30 | chops1 | __klamath__: Can you pastebin the output you're talking about? |
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| 19:15.50 | __klamath__ | yes but it is in italian is ok anyway ? |
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| 19:16.56 | chops1 | __klamath__: Should be fine (you can run LANG=C aptitude unmarkauto) to get English if not |
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| 19:17.45 | leg- | in ubuntu there is something like an 'automounter' that will mount removable storage (e.g. a usb pen drive) to a /mnt/folder location |
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| 19:18.09 | leg- | is this done by a bash script or is this a binary application or how does it do that? |
| 19:18.24 | __klamath__ | chops1: http://pastebin.org/99025 ( it is again italian ) |
| 19:18.30 | dvs | leg-: why are you asking us? |
| 19:19.12 | leg- | you want me to join the dark side @ #ubuntu? :p |
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| 19:19.21 | zinx | leg-: if you want ubuntu support, then yes. |
| 19:19.32 | leg- | its not support really but ah well |
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| 19:19.43 | abrotman | leg-: how is your question related to Debian ? |
| 19:19.57 | chops1 | __klamath__: You need to specify which packages to unmarkauto :-) |
| 19:19.59 | isnich | what a crap is debian like??? http://www.suspekt.org/2010/02/27/debian-breaks-suhosin-security-feature/ |
| 19:20.14 | __klamath__ | chops1: ok, try |
| 19:20.17 | chops1 | __klamath__: Also, that pastebin started yelling at me about an IQ test, I'd recommend finding a different one |
| 19:20.33 | nsadmin | leg-: there is at least one automounter in debian... |
| 19:21.06 | nsadmin | isnich install it and find out |
| 19:21.41 | isnich | allready done that.. |
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| 19:21.43 | leg- | isnich? |
| 19:21.45 | leg- | ah ok |
| 19:21.48 | leg- | its a nick, nvm |
| 19:21.55 | abrotman | leg-: how is your question related to Debian ? |
| 19:22.01 | leg- | nsadmin and how is it called or could you refer me to a website? |
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| 19:22.10 | leg- | abrotman because I want to duplicate this on debian... |
| 19:22.17 | leg- | with some customization |
| 19:22.21 | abrotman | leg-: then you should phrase the question that way |
| 19:22.26 | abrotman | !tell leg- about automount |
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| 19:22.27 | zinx | leg-: Debian has several automounters you can choose from |
| 19:22.56 | __klamath__ | chops1: what pstbin do you suggest ? because here it is the same, with the packages too |
| 19:23.04 | zinx | leg-: they tend to not be scripts, though I don't know if any call scripts to do the work |
| 19:23.07 | nsadmin | isnich ok |
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| 19:24.27 | chops1 | Well... this doesn't work. Looking at the source to libpam_ldap, it seems to connect anonymously to the LDAP server for get_user_info() even if a bind user and PW are specified |
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| 19:25.26 | __klamath__ | chops1: look this http://pastebin.com/DjvQue6V |
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| 19:26.57 | chops1 | __klamath__: I honestly don't know why it would do that. Try answering that question (Y/n) with "+cdrdao +dvd+rw-tools +genisoimage +libao2 +libburn4 +libisofs6 +media-player-info" |
| 19:26.59 | humbolt | which partition type should be used for mdadm RAID arrays with superblock version 9.0? |
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| 19:27.53 | humbolt | software raids don't seem to work very well in linux |
| 19:28.11 | humbolt | Is autodetection even possible without an mdadm.conf file? |
| 19:28.15 | __klamath__ | chops1: I answered no, have I to answer Yes ? and does it uninstall them ? |
| 19:28.44 | chops1 | __klamath__: Don't answer yes or no. Answer with: +cdrdao +dvd+rw-tools +genisoimage +libao2 +libburn4 +libisofs6 +media-player-info |
| 19:29.21 | chops1 | humbolt: Software RAIDS have always worked for me; mdadm.conf is a sort of a relic of an old way of doing things |
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| 19:29.52 | humbolt | chops1: but without it, my raid devs are always messed up! |
| 19:30.12 | chops1 | humbolt: How messed up? When do they get mounted? What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 19:30.26 | ereh | humbolt: software raids work really well for me as well.. |
| 19:30.41 | __klamath__ | chops1: it seems it worked :), great |
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| 19:30.48 | mohadib | whats an NMU? |
| 19:31.00 | chops1 | !tell mohadib about nmu |
| 19:31.16 | mohadib | ty |
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| 19:32.36 | humbolt | chops1: when should they get mounted/detected? |
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| 19:33.37 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | Gandhi is such a jerk. He keeps forcing me under his desk. |
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| 19:33.42 | mrrcp | how do i install the mysql client development libraries |
| 19:33.43 | mrrcp | ? |
| 19:34.13 | chops1 | humbolt: No, you have to answer my questions first :-) |
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| 19:34.36 | gayretard | hi friends. |
| 19:34.46 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | !REVENGE_AGAINST_THE_MACHINE |
| 19:34.56 | dvs | uh... ops? |
| 19:34.58 | gingers | If you rearrange the letters in my nick, you get a bad word. |
| 19:35.03 | gingers | Can anyone guess what it is? |
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| 19:35.14 | JPT | do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:35.15 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | Please, I need help with ext3 |
| 19:35.35 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | fsck.ext3 is failing every other 30 times |
| 19:35.41 | gingers | How can I boot Debian without a bootloader? |
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| 19:36.09 | nsadmin | ,file fsck.ext3 |
| 19:36.11 | judd | fsck.ext3 in lenny/i386: e2fsprogs: sbin/fsck.ext3 |
| 19:36.12 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | gingers: The hand is mightier than the fist. |
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| 19:36.33 | mohadib | question: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint says i should already have a track record of earlier contributions before applying |
| 19:36.36 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | Yeah |
| 19:36.41 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | It says inode is bad |
| 19:36.44 | gingers | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X, The rectum is mightier than the urethria. |
| 19:36.46 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | Lots of inode errors |
| 19:36.47 | mrrcp | bah |
| 19:36.50 | mohadib | i just want to try to add a new pkg to the repos, with no prior debian contributions |
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| 19:37.03 | mohadib | is apply for a "new maintainer" the right avenue? |
| 19:37.05 | X-_-_-_-_-_-_X | Someone ban John McCain's mother. She's trolling again. |
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| 19:37.15 | dvs | mohadib: you probably have to find an existing maintainer to sponsor it. |
| 19:37.17 | babilen | stop it please |
| 19:37.17 | humbolt | I do not mount the raid devs currently and I have no mdadm.conf file. The raids get partly detected but don't show all member partitions. one even showed the disk itself to be a raid, which is definitely not true. |
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| 19:37.31 | gingers | abrotman, please unban my nigger. |
| 19:37.36 | mohadib | dvs: ah, any idea where i would find one of those |
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| 19:37.37 | gingers | abrotman, he is new here. |
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| 19:38.06 | nsadmin | gingers: he's running some kind of bot, can't be that new |
| 19:38.09 | dvs | mohadib: I don't know where to find a list of maintainers. |
| 19:38.11 | abrotman | nsadmin: please don't |
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| 19:38.19 | mohadib | dvs: ok, thanks |
| 19:38.26 | dvs | mohadib: there might be some here if you're lucky |
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| 19:39.44 | babilen | !tell mohadib -about mentors |
| 19:39.50 | babilen | mohadib: good luck |
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| 19:40.03 | chops1 | humbolt: Who set all this up/ |
| 19:40.04 | chops1 | ? |
| 19:40.31 | mohadib | thanks babilen |
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| 19:43.42 | humbolt | chops1: me |
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| 19:48.52 | OldParr | hoh do i install sun's java in debian? where do i put libjavaplugin_oji.so to make epiphany run java |
| 19:49.06 | chops1 | humbolt: Has it ever worked? Did you just set this up? |
| 19:49.08 | azeem | !java plugin |
| 19:49.08 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 19:49.43 | azeem | judd: versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 19:49.45 | judd | sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6.18-2 |
| 19:50.07 | humbolt | chops1: at least the old one worked before |
| 19:50.19 | humbolt | but also only after I had added an mdadm.conf file |
| 19:50.31 | OldParr | is sun-java6-plugin on the default repositories? |
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| 19:50.44 | humbolt | and added raid modules to /etc/initramfs.conf/modules |
| 19:51.05 | dvs | OldParr: non-free |
| 19:54.16 | OldParr | how do i enable the non-free repo? |
| 19:54.31 | nsadmin | !sources.list |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:54.54 | chaochao | !%n |
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| 19:55.16 | chops1 | humbolt: What do you mean "the old one"? |
| 19:55.46 | chops1 | humbolt: Okay, let's back up -- you're asking for help and I'm trying to help you. Can you give me a full picture of your RAID setup, how it used to work, what changed and what it's doing now? Use pastebin if you need to. |
| 19:56.10 | chops1 | humbolt: Just saying "RAID in Debian sucks" and then dribbling out information a piece at a time as I ask specific question isn't working very quickly or well |
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| 19:56.42 | nsadmin | or efficiently time or energywise |
| 19:56.54 | humbolt | chops1: you are right of course! |
| 19:57.06 | humbolt | I am just trying to fix things in the background |
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| 19:57.42 | nsadmin | if you don't show that background it's going to be very difficult on top of all that |
| 19:58.09 | humbolt | chops1: I had 4 raids setup before. with partitions on 4 disks in use. the levels I used were raid1 and raid10. |
| 19:58.50 | humbolt | chops1: The raid devices were never autodetected. Only when I put a proper mdadm.conf in place things started to work. |
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| 19:59.18 | chops1 | humbolt: Did you have the partition type set to RAID autodetect? |
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| 19:59.34 | humbolt | chops1: now I moved the disks to a new machine. this one has an additional 4 disks with a raid10 device on it. |
| 19:59.39 | humbolt | chops1: yes FD |
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| 19:59.44 | OldParr | humbolt: mi raid card was well auto detected by debian |
| 19:59.57 | humbolt | OldParr: software raid |
| 19:59.59 | UserReg_CL | hi, need check all partition |
| 20:00.24 | chops1 | humbolt: Can you try manually assembling the RAID in the new machine one time? It's possible that once it's been assembled, it'll start autodetecting |
| 20:00.44 | chops1 | humbolt: I'm not sure how the autodetection works when you move things around (which I'm assuming is part of what's happened with the disks moving to a new machine) |
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| 20:00.50 | humbolt | chops1: I'll give that a try |
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| 20:00.54 | humbolt | need to reboot |
| 20:01.02 | humbolt | cu |
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| 20:05.15 | sernylan | k3b 1.70 was migrated to testing a few days ago. DVD ISOs--regardless of size--stop burning at 873 MB. Any idea why *that* number? |
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| 20:05.37 | chops1 | sernylan: Checked the BTS? |
| 20:05.51 | sernylan | chops1: BTS? |
| 20:06.11 | chops1 | !tell sernylan about bts |
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| 20:07.46 | sernylan | chops1: Oh, haven't found anything similar. Wanted to try determining if it was a config issue first. |
| 20:07.53 | jhutchins_lt | sernylan: What were you using to burn? Were the iso files the correct size? What kind of filesystem were they on? Did the burner log a successful burn? Did you enable verification? What were the error messages? What system were you burning on? |
| 20:08.15 | jhutchins_lt | Was the md5sum of the iso files good? |
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| 20:10.41 | jelly-home | sernylan: does growisofs used by itself do the same thing? |
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| 20:13.29 | sernylan | It does not indicate success. It stops at whatever percentage 873 Mb is of the ISO. Error message in the log is /usr/bin/wodim: Bad address. read error on input file |
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| 20:14.48 | sernylan | In the GUI, it will say like, no permissions to device (which is weird, cause it burns that much) and can't open cdrecord. |
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| 20:15.23 | pallgone | what could that be? on my laptop with debian squeeze the screen sometimes goes black and I can't get it on again... I found that suspending the computer and turning it back on works... |
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| 20:15.33 | sernylan | No problems with CDs, I'd guess because less than 873 MB. |
| 20:15.51 | pallgone | I'm running freebsd now which doesn't have that problem |
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| 20:16.36 | sernylan | jelly-home -- I will try growisofs by itself. |
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| 20:20.03 | sheldon | hello all, i try to make a script with a command who starts 3s after the previous command. Problem is that after 3s previous command isnt finish. I need to force start of second command after 3s... |
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| 20:20.49 | abrotman | sheldon: i think you want #bash ? |
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| 20:23.01 | sheld0n | dont want to register :p |
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| 20:24.29 | icebrain | sheld0n: just launch the first command without blocking using &, then sleep 3, then launch the second command |
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| 20:27.17 | sernylan | jelly-home -- growisofs by itself works fine. Looks like this is a case of "don't do that then" for the moment. |
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| 20:29.47 | romgo | Hi guys i've got a problem with sudo, I specified the option NOPASSWD in my sudoers but when i'm executing sudo it still asking for the user password |
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| 20:31.28 | acemi | romgo: did you edit sudoers with visudo? |
| 20:31.46 | cesurasean | what is the name of the php 5.2.x package on squeeze? |
| 20:32.05 | acemi | aptitude search php |
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| 20:32.39 | cesurasean | thx |
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| 20:32.49 | acemi | np |
| 20:32.56 | dvs | cesurasean: looks like squeeze is using 5.3 |
| 20:33.31 | OldParr | hoh do i install sun's self extracting java in debian? where do i put libjavaplugin_oji.so to make epiphany run java, sun-java6-plugin does not works |
| 20:33.39 | cesurasean | dvs, does that mean i will have to backport 5.2.x? |
| 20:34.06 | abrotman | OldParr: you did it wrong |
| 20:34.24 | nvz | OldParr: why wouldn't you just install the damn java packages in debian? |
| 20:34.25 | dvs | cesurasean: if you need 5.2 specifically. |
| 20:34.59 | OldParr | i installed sun-java6-plugin from non-free repo, restarted epyphani and it does not works |
| 20:35.07 | cesurasean | dvs, my problem is with Zend Optimizer. I think I am going to need 5.2.x. Is there any easier way of doing this with apt, instead of backporting? |
| 20:35.21 | dvs | cesurasean: not that I know of. |
| 20:35.51 | cesurasean | dvs, are you aware of the Zend Optimizer issue with 5.3? |
| 20:36.03 | dvs | no, I don't use Zend Optimizer |
| 20:36.32 | cesurasean | can i run more than one instance of php? |
| 20:36.45 | cesurasean | for one web server? or do i need multiple instances of that as well? |
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| 20:36.49 | abrotman | OldParr: did you try with iceweasel ? |
| 20:37.00 | OldParr | abrotman: let me see |
| 20:37.21 | dvs | cesurasean: I just use the default that's installed with the distro. I haven't tried multiple instances. |
| 20:37.37 | cesurasean | thx |
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| 20:37.44 | dvs | sorry I couldn't help |
| 20:38.37 | abrotman | OldParr: and how are you testing ? |
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| 20:39.35 | OldParr | iceweasel do not works with java, i visit yahoo games |
| 20:40.29 | nvz | OldParr: visit about:plugins first of all, which is where you should always visit after installing a plugin |
| 20:44.05 | OldParr | it says GCJ web browser plugin 0.96-pre is installed |
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| 20:44.15 | abrotman | OldParr: update-java-alternatives |
| 20:44.15 | dvs | that's not sun |
| 20:45.09 | nvz | I just installed sun-java6-plugin on a stable box and don't see anyhting in dpkg -L looking lika a plygin. in fact all I see is an empty package with directories listed |
| 20:45.34 | nvz | to me it looks like the package contains nothing |
| 20:46.01 | nvz | I just woke up moments ago.. maybe someone else should have a look |
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| 20:46.39 | dvs | nvz: depends on sun-java6-bin |
| 20:47.02 | OldParr | update-java-alternatives -l, returns: java-6-openjdk 1061 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk, java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun, java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj |
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| 20:47.30 | nvz | dvs: ah, I must have had that installed already |
| 20:47.42 | dvs | nvz: guess so. ;-) |
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| 20:49.57 | OldParr | http://paste.debian.net/61872/ |
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| 20:52.18 | SimManiac | hi |
| 20:52.20 | otwieracz | Hello. |
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| 20:52.26 | dvs | bonjour\ |
| 20:52.31 | otwieracz | ciastko:~# /etc/init.d/bluetooth start |
| 20:52.31 | otwieracz | Starting bluetooth: bluetoothd compatibily daemons not started, see bluez-compat package. |
| 20:52.37 | otwieracz | I have bluez-compat |
| 20:53.01 | otwieracz | I look at package files |
| 20:53.03 | OldParr | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/61872 |
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| 20:53.25 | otwieracz | I have 3 binaries, dund, pand and hidd. |
| 20:53.27 | abrotman | OldParr: so make it use the sun one |
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| 20:53.36 | otwieracz | What I must do with it? |
| 20:54.06 | alnr | i am instructed to apt-get install magiclib. whats the actual name of the package? |
| 20:55.10 | otwieracz | Any ideas what to do? |
| 20:55.13 | abrotman | alnr: aptitude search libmagic |
| 20:56.18 | OldParr | how do i install sun's self extracting java in debian? where do i put libjavaplugin_oji.so to make epiphany run java, sun-java6-plugin does not works.... |
| 20:56.22 | alnr | abrotman, it was my real question, how to find out. but, in this case aptitude returns no output |
| 20:56.38 | alnr | wait |
| 20:56.39 | abrotman | alnr: which version of debian ? |
| 20:56.43 | abrotman | OldParr: you do not have to do that |
| 20:56.59 | OldParr | abrotman: what is the solution? |
| 20:57.00 | abrotman | OldParr: did you configure the java with update-java-alternatives ? |
| 20:57.08 | OldParr | no |
| 20:57.21 | alnr | abrotman: it was my syllabledyslexia |
| 20:57.24 | abrotman | why? you were told three times to do that? |
| 20:57.26 | dvs | can't stand people who cannot read |
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| 20:58.52 | OldParr | abrotman: do i must "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun" ? |
| 20:59.25 | abrotman | read the man page ... |
| 20:59.44 | otwieracz | Nobody know how to help me? |
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| 21:02.02 | fOrli | Hi, how can I congifure multiple monitors in lenny ? |
| 21:02.20 | nvz | otwieracz: apparently you don't. You never bothered mentioning what you are trying to do in the first place. |
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| 21:02.36 | nvz | !xinerama |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | methinks xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, ask me about <randr>. |
| 21:02.39 | dvs | fOrli: look up "randr". I've never used it myself though |
| 21:02.47 | TomyLobo | is there any specific reason why iceweasel is still 3.5.x? |
| 21:02.56 | fOrli | dvs: thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 21:03.06 | nvz | fOrli: if you have nvidia its really easy with nvidia-settings |
| 21:03.17 | nvz | you can use xrandr too like dvs mentioned |
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| 21:04.02 | otwieracz | nvz: I'm trying to get bluetooth working to setup PAN. |
| 21:04.24 | otwieracz | (to share internet connection by bluetooth) |
| 21:04.43 | nvz | sounds disgusting |
| 21:04.53 | otwieracz | Uhm, |
| 21:05.20 | abrotman | TomyLobo: because 3.6 breaks stuff, and it hasn't been out htat long ? |
| 21:05.40 | abrotman | well .. FF3.6 breaks stuff |
| 21:05.52 | TomyLobo | it broke ms .net framework assistant \o/ |
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| 21:06.04 | dvs | and that's a bad thing? ;-) |
| 21:06.13 | TomyLobo | no :) |
| 21:06.27 | abrotman | TomyLobo: it also broke the vmware console |
| 21:06.33 | TomyLobo | nope |
| 21:06.36 | TomyLobo | that works here |
| 21:06.37 | abrotman | yep |
| 21:06.50 | TomyLobo | well it wasnt disabled with the update |
| 21:06.53 | TomyLobo | lemme try |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | TomyLobo: so you haven't tried it, but you claim it works ? |
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| 21:07.29 | TomyLobo | well usually if things break, they are disabled |
| 21:08.13 | nvz | otwieracz: http://www.stolk.org/debian/bluetooth.html -or- http://www.howtoforge.com/bluetooth_pand_debian_etch might help |
| 21:08.19 | tabb | HI EVERYONE! ALL OF YOU ARE GREEK? |
| 21:08.30 | dvs | ops time! |
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| 21:08.44 | abrotman | TomyLobo: no, it's broken http://communities.vmware.com/thread/252218?tstart=0 |
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| 21:09.03 | OldParr | what is to update an alternative? |
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| 21:09.15 | dvs | man |
| 21:09.19 | tabb | NOONE? |
| 21:09.40 | nvz | tabb: Turn off your caps lock key, and do you have anything debian related to discuss? |
| 21:10.09 | OldParr | what is to update alternatives for jre/sdk installations ? |
| 21:10.18 | tabb | pls first answer my question! |
| 21:10.19 | pyrophelia | noob question, I need to be able to send all moniter emails to a real email adress. how do I configure my box so it can send emails out? |
| 21:10.21 | fOrli | nvz, I got it pseudo-working w/ xrandr, the other monitor is extremely dark though; any idea why? |
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| 21:10.34 | tabb | somebody |
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| 21:10.50 | nvz | tabb: we don't care if people here are martian, its irrelevant. you're about to be kicked from the channel. |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | tabb: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 21:11.01 | abrotman | OldParr: i already told .. why don't you use that tool? |
| 21:11.04 | abrotman | told you |
| 21:11.12 | chops1 | pyrophelia: On a standard Debian box, just do dpkg-reconfigure exim4, tell it to use a smarthost configuration and tell it where your real SMTP server is |
| 21:11.24 | dvs | abrotman: he wants to be spoon fed. |
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| 21:11.54 | OldParr | i am reading the manual but nothing i understand |
| 21:11.59 | pyrophelia | chops1, thanks |
| 21:12.07 | tabb | just want to send one message to all greek people, than im leaving... |
| 21:12.21 | hozer | anyone here with some knowledge of the PowerPC buildd machine? |
| 21:12.25 | nvz | fOrli: nope maybe thats just how that screen works. my CRT is a lot darker with photos and stuff than my netbooks LCD |
| 21:12.27 | chops1 | !gr |
| 21:12.28 | dpkg | Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:12.47 | fOrli | nvz: it works fine in Windoze, though |
| 21:12.54 | nvz | tabb: we don't do shout outs in #debian, we do debian support. |
| 21:13.22 | TomyLobo | abrotman oh apparently you're right. luckily i dont need vmware anymore, now that i have a physical linux machine :) |
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| 21:13.44 | hozer | there's a file in the python-pivy package that causes gcc to use about a gigabyte of core, and 2GB or so of swap |
| 21:13.44 | tabb | SEE THE MOVIE TITLED ARGENTINA AND MONEY ITS IN THE NET, AND HAPPENS THE SAME WITH YOR COUNTRY YOUR ECONOMY YOUR LIFE!!! IM LEAVING NOW GREETINGS FROM HUNGARY!! |
| 21:13.47 | nvz | fOrli: well you could adjust the gamma with xgamma perhaps |
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| 21:14.12 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 21:14.22 | oriolo | i need support to recover data from an usb pendrive, i plug out it before i should and now i can not see partitions on it, dows anybody can help me? thanks in advance! |
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| 21:15.17 | otwieracz | nvz: something is wrong, in "testing" branch there is no /etc/bluethooth/hcid.conf file in bluez-utils. |
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| 21:16.26 | nvz | otwieracz: I don't know crap about bluetooth for starters. but you can make your own config files. thats not a valid argument. |
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| 21:19.22 | otwieracz | nvz: I must go. Thanks for helping, I will try tomorrow. |
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| 21:20.24 | hyperutz | how can i configure a samba share directory..to be accessed by anybody and anybody to have rwx access ? |
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| 21:21.37 | nvz | hyperutz: well you would need to use share level security and not user level |
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| 21:22.37 | nvz | hyperutz: then its all a matter of setting browseable=yes, writeable=yes type arguments and making sure its world rwx on the filesystem |
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| 21:24.35 | nvz | hyperutz: I also in those situations usually have a guest user = smbguest and have a special user on my system (disabled logins of course) for that purpose and I own files by that user |
| 21:24.55 | nvz | wanders off and notes to ask #samba |
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| 21:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | oriolo: There is very little chance you'll recover your data. You may be able to fix the drive so you can use it again. |
| 21:31.00 | gauge | Hey, I need to reinstall lilo and I'm goign to boot off of a debian install CD to do so. Could someone tell me what command I'll have to run to make my system writable? I did this same thing a while ago, and recall having to do somethign like that. |
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| 21:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: Look around for a bootloader restor guide, there are several steps. |
| 21:31.51 | oriolo | jhutchins_lt: i have tried fdisk -l and i see no partitions on it |
| 21:32.25 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: Mounting the drive r/w isn't hard, but you have to chroot to it and the tough thing (for me at least) is getting /proc and /dev mounted in the chroot. |
| 21:33.04 | gauge | h, jhutchins_lt thats exactly it! I couldn;t recall the exact steps, but thats them. Thanks man. |
| 21:33.15 | jhutchins_lt | oriolo: You may be able to create a new vfat partition on it, but a lot of flash drives don't have partitions. |
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| 21:33.58 | oriolo | jhutchins_lt: do you know any way to recover the data? |
| 21:34.42 | oriolo | jhutchins_lt: ddrescue says cannot open input file: No medium found |
| 21:36.05 | fOrli | How do I restart the X server? |
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| 21:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | oriolo: you could try dd if=/dev/sda of=datarescue, but that just recoveres the raw data, you'd have to find and parse the files yourself, or hack the partition table of the raw image file to get it to mount on loopback. |
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| 21:38.29 | jhutchins_lt | BULLETIN: Flash drives are for transferring data, not for long-term storage. |
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| 21:39.11 | oriolo | jhutchins_lt: i tried dd and it says: no medium fond |
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| 21:41.03 | oriolo | jhutchins_lt: thanks a lot for your help but i think that it is gonna be quiet impossible to recover the data |
| 21:41.23 | jhutchins_lt | I think you're probably right. |
| 21:41.49 | oriolo | jhutchins_lt: thank and see you! |
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| 21:47.39 | StineST | horny girls, horny boys, here is my msn add for u and your toys.. stiness123@hotmail.com :) btw, pics include |
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| 21:58.26 | gauge | ...how would I mount /proc and /dev jhutchins_lt ? Could you give me an idea of what to run? |
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| 21:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | gauge: No, I don't do it often enough, I have to dig up a howto pretty much every time. |
| 21:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | Centos has a nice automated recovery script. |
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| 22:00.10 | gauge | jhutchins_lt: OK, no problem man. |
| 22:00.20 | Newbie | hi |
| 22:00.39 | Newbie | anyone know how to fix the boot resalution |
| 22:01.01 | Newbie | it keeps loading the log in at 1600x1200 |
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| 22:01.41 | Sergio` | Newbie: are you using GRUB? |
| 22:01.50 | Newbie | yes |
| 22:02.09 | Newbie | i have 3 os on this pc |
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| 22:03.12 | Sergio` | You need to add an argument to your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst you can use hwinfo --framebuffer to see available resolutions and then add for example vga=0x0377 to the kernel line. |
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| 22:04.15 | Newbie | wow ok ill try to figure that out |
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| 22:04.35 | Newbie | can you maby say again dumed down a little bit im realy new to this |
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| 22:06.38 | Sergio` | Install hwinfo, run hwinfo --framebuffer, check the resolution you want, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, find the kernel line and add the number you want at the end of it, as for example vga=0x0377 |
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| 22:09.56 | dios_mio | I have debian installed in my other harddisk, but I installed windows on the first harddisk and now grub is lost.. all I have is the debian CD.. is there a way to recover the situation? |
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| 22:10.47 | Newbie | viemenu.lstsudo pico |
| 22:11.16 | Sergio` | dios_mio: I never used it but I think the Debian CD has a recovery option to install GRUB again. |
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| 22:12.01 | Newbie | ty ill try |
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| 22:14.11 | leejongwook | themill, :) are you here ? |
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| 22:14.36 | leejongwook | anyone here ? |
| 22:14.47 | chops1 | leejongwook: Ssh, we're hiding |
| 22:14.51 | leejongwook | i found really good solution :) |
| 22:14.53 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 22:15.01 | leejongwook | http://leejongwook.summerhost.info/ <-- wanted share this :) |
| 22:15.18 | leejongwook | i can read/write Korean in Virtual Terminal :) |
| 22:15.27 | jelly-home | !win leejongwook |
| 22:15.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, leejongwook! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:15.31 | leejongwook | spent 2 years and many hours @_@ |
| 22:15.39 | leejongwook | @_@ |
| 22:15.50 | leejongwook | hi jello :) |
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| 22:16.03 | leejongwook | jelly-home, http://leejongwook.summerhost.info/ :P |
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| 22:16.30 | jelly-home | !tell leejongwook about repeat |
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| 22:16.36 | leejongwook | see ya ~ i'm going to other room to spread this out :P |
| 22:17.01 | leejongwook | :) |
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| 22:22.01 | Newbie | ty going for a reboot now |
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| 22:26.00 | wheee | the default refresh rate is too high for my monitor |
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| 22:27.11 | wheee | soo I couldn't boot once yet |
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| 22:30.11 | visof | hi |
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| 22:30.23 | visof | can i update specific package on debian ? |
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| 22:32.33 | rooisto47 | time |
| 22:32.58 | cga | install gdm or any login manager , that should do |
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| 22:33.52 | rooisto47 | cga, I want something else (to not pass by any graphic login |
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| 22:35.40 | cga | rooisto47, i see, then edit .xinitrc iirc |
| 22:36.22 | hyperutz | how can i set a quota limit on a certain directory ? |
| 22:36.23 | rooisto47 | cga, how |
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| 22:40.18 | digi9 | Ok, a question here. I had installed debian all on one partition, no separate partition for /boot, and everything worked fine, but now I have moved the disk into an older machine (it has 2 processors which I want), and I get a grub error 18 when I try to boot |
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| 22:40.39 | digi9 | as near as I can tell, this has to do with something grub needs being too far into the disk |
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| 22:41.48 | digi9 | I recall that there exist some tools that will let you fiddle with existing partitions, resize them, etc., but is it actually possible to take 32 MB or so off the *front* of a partition, to form a /boot partition in this case? |
| 22:42.23 | hyperutz | Checking quotas...quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile /home/aquota.user was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... |
| 22:42.31 | hyperutz | i received this when installing quota |
| 22:42.46 | hyperutz | anyone who can help ? |
| 22:44.05 | wheee | the default refresh rate is too high for my monitor so I couldn't boot once yet |
| 22:44.10 | wheee | how can I change it from command line? |
| 22:46.21 | the|herbivore | wheee: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 22:46.43 | wheee | did it |
| 22:46.50 | wheee | but there is nothing that shows a refresh rate |
| 22:46.55 | wheee | under the monitor section |
| 22:47.44 | the|herbivore | you could add them, as 'HorizSync' & 'VertRefresh' after determining their max & mins |
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| 22:50.12 | wheee | hmm.. that would be something like 83/76, does it make sense? |
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| 22:52.06 | chops1 | wheee: Be very careful specifying HorizSync and VertRefresh by hand... back in the old days I destroyed a couple of monitors doing that wrongly. |
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| 22:53.07 | dios_mio | chops1, LOL |
| 22:54.42 | wheee | hm.... |
| 22:55.25 | wheee | well my monitor displayed "Out of range" because the frequency was too high so I guess it shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:56.36 | rooisto47 | how to configure .xinitrc to start openbox (I'm using base system with only wm) I mean to get directly the graphic mode without type startx everytime ? |
| 22:58.33 | rooisto47 | any help ? |
| 22:58.34 | macrobat | wheee: use cvt to generate a modeline |
| 22:59.00 | chops1 | wheee: Older monitors weren't quite so self-aware, unfortunately... |
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| 22:59.23 | wheee | cvt is...? |
| 22:59.25 | aporetic | oh jeez, modelines |
| 22:59.27 | macrobat | rooisto47: i press uparrow, then i get "startx" on the cmdline, then i press enter |
| 22:59.27 | aporetic | can't say i miss those |
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| 22:59.54 | agdoku | do I risk to destroy some data, if I change the partition type of some of my raid member devices from "Linux" to FD? |
| 22:59.55 | macrobat | rooisto47: use a login manager to get you into X |
| 23:00.27 | rooisto47 | yes I 'm doig that(startx) but I want something automatic and not a graphic login |
| 23:00.35 | rooisto47 | any idea? |
| 23:00.40 | macrobat | you don't want to log in? |
| 23:00.54 | rooisto47 | euh of course I want |
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| 23:01.28 | rooisto47 | but I wanna something that start graphic mode automatically after login |
| 23:02.34 | hayleyw | add startx to ~/.bashrc |
| 23:02.34 | gribozavr | rooisto47: put into .bashrc: if `tty` matches /dev/tty*, and no process Xorg is running, then startx |
| 23:02.34 | rooisto47 | after console login, you see |
| 23:02.43 | rooisto47 | didn't understand how add this to .bashrc |
| 23:02.52 | rooisto47 | o_0 |
| 23:03.00 | hayleyw | you simply add it. nano -w ~/.bashrc |
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| 23:03.20 | hayleyw | go to the end of the file...type startx..close/save |
| 23:03.23 | rooisto47 | add startx & for example ? |
| 23:03.30 | wheee | macrobat: > what's cvt? |
| 23:03.42 | wheee | sorry I'm slow and very tired right now |
| 23:03.51 | rooisto47 | hayleyw, thx I'll try this |
| 23:03.53 | wheee | I, googled it but I'm not quite sure what I can do with that |
| 23:04.12 | gribozavr | hayleyw: that's a bad idea, startx will be executed even when starting a terminal emulator |
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| 23:05.16 | hayleyw | the whole thing is a bad idea |
| 23:05.30 | hayleyw | he asked how...not if he should :P |
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| 23:09.57 | macrobat | wheee: cvt in a terminal, it tells you how to use it |
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| 23:10.18 | macrobat | cvt width height refreshrate |
| 23:10.47 | agdoku | does changing a partition type actually change anything in the partition itself? |
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| 23:10.55 | nvz | all I know cvt to be is a variable, and typically belt driven transmission |
| 23:11.14 | nvz | quite an interesting machine actually |
| 23:11.15 | macrobat | idk, something along the lines of: if [[ $(pgrep X) -eq "" ]] ; then startx; fi |
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| 23:13.27 | macrobat | i noticed xrandr and nvidia-settings report different refreshrates, i think nvidia-settings is right |
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| 23:16.12 | wheee | okay thanks |
| 23:16.58 | rooisto47 | hayleyw, I added start x and when login I have what I went but with a big message error |
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| 23:19.24 | hayleyw | !error |
| 23:19.25 | dpkg | user error at console, abort, retry, fail? see also <don't work> |
| 23:20.13 | rooisto47 | hayleyw, sorry ? |
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| 23:20.52 | nvz | rooisto47: be specific? |
| 23:21.13 | rooisto47 | ah ok ^^ |
| 23:24.14 | rooisto47 | it start graphic mode and in the terminal which is started it says Fatal sever error: Server is already active for display 0 If this server in so longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. |
| 23:24.43 | hayleyw | so x is already running |
| 23:24.45 | nvz | rooisto47: and are you sure its no longer running? |
| 23:25.23 | nvz | hasty conclusion. Programs can die without removing their lock files |
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| 23:27.02 | rooisto47 | nvz, euh I just put startx in .bashrc to start the graphic mode after every login and that's the result |
| 23:27.04 | dutchfish | hello again |
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| 23:27.39 | \amethyst | rooisto47: err, don't do that |
| 23:28.04 | \amethyst | rooisto47: otherwise, when you start xterm/gnome-terminal, what's going to happen? |
| 23:28.34 | macrobat | so add a test to see if there is a /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 23:28.59 | rooisto47 | \amethyst, it give the error msg I wrot |
| 23:29.03 | rooisto47 | gives |
| 23:29.05 | nvz | rooisto47: that was a really dumb thing to do, I hope you're realizing that |
| 23:29.13 | rooisto47 | lol |
| 23:29.18 | macrobat | :) |
| 23:29.25 | \amethyst | rooisto47: you're telling it to try and start X every time you run bash (every time you open a terminal) |
| 23:29.35 | rooisto47 | I asked and that was the first suggestion |
| 23:29.41 | dutchfish | what to do if a usb device is not recognized, ie i get error messages spammed in syslog (every ~8 seconds) could not recognized ID usb 2 (there are no usb devices connected) 2.6.32 x86 on HP ML370 |
| 23:29.51 | rooisto47 | \amethyst, Oh ! not right at all |
| 23:29.59 | nvz | rooisto47: what do you have against using a display manager like most everyone does these days? |
| 23:30.01 | rooisto47 | I recognize |
| 23:30.15 | hayleyw | <macrobat> idk, something along the lines of: if [[ $(pgrep X) -eq "" ]] ; then startx; fi |
| 23:30.29 | macrobat | its not perfect |
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| 23:30.50 | rooisto47 | I want use the minimum graphic I can |
| 23:31.28 | macrobat | there are things more minimal than openbox |
| 23:31.35 | nvz | macrobat: I resist telling people how to accomplish dumb things until I get to the bottom of their reasoning and make sure they realize how dumb it is and have explored more sane options |
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| 23:32.14 | rooisto47 | how about configuring .xinitrc to start X at every startup |
| 23:32.15 | rooisto47 | ? |
| 23:32.22 | nvz | rooisto47: well thats understandable I suppose.. but what is the real issue with using a DM? there are very minimal ones. Is your machine that low on resources? |
| 23:32.32 | hayleyw | .xinitrc is run when you startx. not to launch startx |
| 23:32.57 | nvz | rooisto47: you can run X from an init.d script if you really wanted that. its what a display manager does. |
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| 23:33.09 | macrobat | i make it up as i go along, i should get me some sane principles |
| 23:33.15 | rooisto47 | nvz, no it's no slow machines but without the DM it goes faster |
| 23:33.55 | rooisto47 | nvz, yes it seems to be a good idea |
| 23:33.58 | nvz | rooisto47: I find that hard to believe that a DM puts any significant dent in your performance. Unless you are running a 486 with 32mb ram or something |
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| 23:34.09 | macrobat | the login manager wont really consume resources once you got openbox giong |
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| 23:34.56 | nvz | rooisto47: the advantages to a DM is that it starts with the machine, presents you a graphical login, and keeps X alive and saves you this headache you're causing yourself and other people right now |
| 23:35.47 | rooisto47 | nvz, rotf you're right |
| 23:35.51 | \amethyst | rooisto47: on my machine, gdm is taking less than a megabyte of RAM, and about 16 megabytes of swap |
| 23:35.54 | hayleyw | if you *really* care, you could install xdm, instead of gdm or xdm. xdm uses barely nothing |
| 23:36.19 | macrobat | there are also wdm or slim |
| 23:36.45 | \amethyst | rooisto47: (and that 16 megabytes isn't really all in swap; much of it is shared libraries or the memory-mapped gdm binary) |
| 23:36.48 | rooisto47 | what's the most ligh |
| 23:36.49 | rooisto47 | t |
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| 23:37.36 | rooisto47 | the lightest I mean, sorry for my bad English ! |
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| 23:37.47 | \amethyst | rooisto47: slim or possibly xdm |
| 23:38.29 | rooisto47 | you don't have a tuto about my issue (how make an init.d script or something in this way?) |
| 23:38.37 | nvz | rooisto47: I see nothing wrong with your english. Both forms are gramatically correct. The problem I see is with your reasoning on things. |
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| 23:39.08 | digi9 | I have my dual-processor system booting now, but it seems that only one processor is being detected. I don't see any SMP kernels listed in apt, is there something else I should be doing? |
| 23:39.08 | Anarxi | hello, I'm trying to figure out why my sendmail letters does not go out? in the log I get everything ok http://pastebin.com/s2hKD1Tp any ideas? |
| 23:39.52 | rooisto47 | ok thanks I know xdm, so I'll try slim to check it and chose one of them |
| 23:40.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:40.19 | hayleyw | digi9, all debian 2.6 kernels support smp |
| 23:40.31 | digi9 | ok |
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| 23:41.45 | digi9 | hayleyw: any idea why only one of my processors might be detected? |
| 23:42.10 | hayleyw | digi9, you're basing that on what? |
| 23:42.21 | JPT | you can set the number of cpu cores in the kernel config before compiling... |
| 23:42.54 | hayleyw | JPT, yes. he said kernels in apt... |
| 23:43.09 | JPT | hm.. oh.. |
| 23:43.22 | digi9 | hayleyw, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:43.49 | joshteam | how can I see how much free HD space I have? |
| 23:43.49 | hayleyw | digi9, paste uname -a |
| 23:43.56 | hayleyw | joshteam, sf -h |
| 23:44.01 | JPT | df -h |
| 23:44.01 | hayleyw | df -h |
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| 23:44.06 | macrobat | digi9: doesnt uname -a mention SMP? |
| 23:44.06 | joshteam | thanks |
| 23:44.55 | digi9 | 2.6.30-2-486 #1 ... i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:45.02 | \amethyst | digi9: aha |
| 23:45.04 | digi9 | Perhaps I should get the 686 |
| 23:45.05 | \amethyst | digi9: use the -686 kernel |
| 23:45.17 | \amethyst | digi9: indeed |
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| 23:45.35 | digi9 | do you recommend 2.6.32 or 2.6.30? |
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| 23:46.20 | kermit | at what point did linux start doing the right thing when you plug in a cable when you were on wireless? that is, responding to the arp requests for the wireless IP with the ethernet MAC. i recall doing some crazy things to get that to work in the past. |
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| 23:48.02 | macrobat | kernels are supposed to get better all the time, i just dont have the module i need in the latest |
| 23:48.15 | nvz | kermit: must be network-manager doing that *shrug* personally I don't see why you'd want your wireless card to respond to ARP with the enternet MAC in the first place though |
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| 23:48.47 | \amethyst | isn't that what happens when you have forwarding enabled? |
| 23:48.51 | nvz | macrobat: if you're gonna bitch out loud, you could at least make sense.. heh |
| 23:48.58 | kermit | nvz: i don't know which device the arp response is going out, i imagine the ethernet, not the wireless |
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| 23:49.25 | nvz | kermit: this is why we have tcpdump, wireshark, etc.. |
| 23:49.27 | kermit | \amethyst: maybe that did it lol |
| 23:49.39 | macrobat | meh, i can |
| 23:49.41 | kermit | nvz: are you saying you want me to check for you? |
| 23:50.00 | nvz | kermit: na, I really don't care, I'm just trying to help you out. :-P |
| 23:50.13 | kermit | nvz: i don't care which interface it's going out |
| 23:50.27 | nvz | well fair enough. |
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| 23:51.28 | kermit | nvz: "I don't see why you'd want your wireless card to respond to ARP with the enternet MAC" .. i don't, and it isnt. |
| 23:51.38 | kermit | nvz: i was just clarifiyng something you seem to have misread |
| 23:51.53 | nvz | apparently |
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| 23:52.26 | macrobat | i dont know why the latest kernel wont install for me. i'll look into it some other day when i'm rested |
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| 23:58.25 | dutchfish | what to do if a usb device is not recognized, ie i get error messages spammed in syslog (every ~8 seconds) hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 (there are no usb devices connected) 2.6.32 x86 on HP ML370; can someone help me? |
| 23:58.49 | joules2 | hello, is there alternatives to using snmp for network management? |
| 23:59.06 | \amethyst | dutchfish: have you tried a different port? |
| 23:59.31 | nvz | dutchfish: I've always observed that to be a problem with a USB cable or USB port.. I.e. front usb ports where the header on the mobo or other end of the cable on the front ports itself is not plugged in all the way. Or port is physically damaged |
| 23:59.50 | dutchfish | \amethyst: no its in dmesg and syslog and to the console (kernel) |
