| 00:00.55 | \amethyst | dutchfish: as nvz says, usually this indicates some kind of physical problem (could be with the device as well) |
| 00:01.28 | \amethyst | dutchfish: it's not just that the kernel doesn't recognize the device---the USB hub doesn't recognize it either |
| 00:01.33 | dutchfish | nvz, there ar eno devices attached |
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| 00:01.44 | dutchfish | s/ar eno/are no |
| 00:01.51 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:01.55 | nvz | dutchfish: then your ports or hub are shorting out |
| 00:02.06 | nvz | would be my guess |
| 00:02.14 | \amethyst | note that "hub" can include an internal hub on the motherboard |
| 00:02.27 | nvz | though usually that shows up as the host controller being reset and stuff as well |
| 00:02.45 | nvz | and more often than not causes the machine to reboot or shut down abruptly |
| 00:03.22 | dutchfish | nvz: i have ran a fool hardware check with ILO and others, nothing found |
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| 00:03.57 | nvz | I know nothing about those utils, but I wouldnt trust a software diagnostic of hardware very far. |
| 00:04.07 | dutchfish | nvz: a sec i pastebin a dmeg log |
| 00:04.08 | \amethyst | can you disable some of the ports in BIOS? Or unplug them from the motherboard? If doing so makes the errors stop, you can do a binary search to figure out which one is the problem |
| 00:04.43 | nvz | the only other possibility other than physical is a f'd up kernel or some driver that is fooling the kernel into thinking its a usb device |
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| 00:06.15 | nvz | you didnt just clean your carpets recently or something environmental did ya? heh. I've been shocked just touching a computer case before after carpets were shampooed even when they felt dry to the touch |
| 00:07.40 | nvz | dutchfish: oh and another thing.. often internal devices like card readers, webcams, and those HP media drive thingies are USB as well |
| 00:09.52 | dutchfish | \amethyst nvz here it is: http://pastebin.com/Hpbf1UrA |
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| 00:10.22 | nvz | speaking of card readers.. my damn card readers on this netbook never seem to show up in debian. They did for like the first few days now I can't see em in the kernel at all. I'm not sure if they are USB or what. |
| 00:10.35 | nvz | the only way I can get linux to see em is if I boot from em |
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| 00:13.39 | \amethyst | dutchfish: hm, anything interesting in lsusb? |
| 00:14.06 | dutchfish | \amethyst: one line Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub |
| 00:14.11 | nvz | dutchfish: yeah it seems to think there is a device on port 2 that it cannot assign a bus number |
| 00:14.30 | jelly-home | nvz: which netbook model in particular? Wouldn't be Aspire One? |
| 00:14.30 | dutchfish | nvz: yep, can it be disbaled or blacklisted |
| 00:14.33 | nse | Hi. Is anyone familiar to gedit? I am searching for a way to change the background color to something with less bright. |
| 00:14.51 | nvz | jelly-home: yeah, AspireOne ZG5 |
| 00:14.57 | jelly-home | heh |
| 00:15.00 | \amethyst | dutchfish: hm http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/4/26/217 might be relevant |
| 00:15.01 | dutchfish | nvz: its anoying becaus eits spamming the console too |
| 00:15.01 | nvz | jelly-home: :-P |
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| 00:15.12 | nvz | dutchfish: are there 4 ports in the back of the machine? |
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| 00:15.38 | jelly-home | nvz: /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf:options pciehp pciehp_force=1 |
| 00:15.38 | babilen | nse: edit->preferences->colour->oblivion? |
| 00:15.42 | dutchfish | nvz: hold on i check (2 min) |
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| 00:16.35 | nvz | dutchfish: it says 4 ports found I'm just wondering are they all ports soldered to the mobo or are there USB headers with something attached.. i.e. front usb ports or a card reader or something |
| 00:16.57 | jelly-home | nvz: that's for my first-generation One with mini-pcie readers |
| 00:16.57 | nse | babilen: Yes, that's it. Thank you very much. Close. |
| 00:17.01 | dutchfish | nvz: nope only 2 (grouped together) |
| 00:17.19 | nvz | dutchfish: are there front usb ports? |
| 00:17.35 | dutchfish | nvz: darn, i run again, hold on |
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| 00:18.06 | nvz | dutchfish: a card reader, HP media bay for removable drive.. anything that could possibly be seen as those other two ports? |
| 00:18.55 | dutchfish | nvz: nope, only a tape drive and a floppy |
| 00:19.05 | dutchfish | nvz: adn a cdrom of course |
| 00:19.10 | nvz | dutchfish: tape is ide or scsi I guess |
| 00:19.48 | jelly-home | nvz: also, rtfwiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne?highlight=(aspireon\+aspir\+one)#Cardreader |
| 00:19.52 | walidx | is it possible to ssh over an http proxy using proxychains ? |
| 00:20.09 | walidx | or does it have to be using a socks proxy ? |
| 00:20.25 | nvz | dutchfish: I'd seriously take a close look at those ports, and also check the motherboard for USB headers, and see if I can't see a physical reason for the kernel thinking there is something attached.. like the pins on the ports being bent, or shorting to something |
| 00:20.59 | dutchfish | nvz: scsi |
| 00:21.04 | nsadmin | download the mobo manual too |
| 00:21.28 | dutchfish | nvz: nope its in tiptop shape |
| 00:21.41 | dutchfish | already checked that |
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| 00:23.21 | dutchfish | can i dsiable it for now? |
| 00:23.39 | dutchfish | i can use all physical devcies |
| 00:23.50 | nvz | dutchfish: could you post your lspci output? |
| 00:23.51 | jelly-home | nvz: there are reports of problems (corrupted data on cards) with suspend/resume, be careful. I'm tired of Debian's failing to manage quirky hardware, and have installed Ubuntu Netbook Remix (9.10) mine, its 2.6.31 kernel only needed the module option above, and not the other stuff from the wiki |
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| 00:24.11 | dutchfish | nvz: sure and i also attach the lsusb -v |
| 00:24.33 | nvz | jelly-home: yeah I have a custom 2.6.32 on mine right now cause the wifi wouldn't work with the stable kernel |
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| 00:24.53 | nvz | dutchfish: I'm mostly just looking to see what usb host controller it is and how many times it shows up |
| 00:25.09 | nvz | but more info never hurts |
| 00:25.27 | chops1 | So problems with PAM and LDAP continue... I have a pretty basic /etc/pam.d/ssh (http://pastebin.com/fQWiCZr1), and debugging statements in libpam_ldap indicate that the password that's being passed in is NULL, which obviously doesn't work |
| 00:25.44 | dutchfish | nvz: http://pastebin.com/6ceiJhuG |
| 00:26.37 | nvz | hmm.. thats the first time I've ever seen a broadcom host controller |
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| 00:29.03 | dutchfish | nvz: for your info i have the same issue in lenny's latest kernel |
| 00:29.16 | adb | judd, pciid 14e4:16a7 |
| 00:29.17 | judd | [14e4:16a7] is 'NetXtreme BCM5703X Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:16a7 |
| 00:29.37 | \amethyst | chops1: I'm not sure why you'd use use_first_pass in the first auth module |
| 00:29.38 | jelly-home | chops1: I had all sorts of trouble with pam_ldap and libldaps* annoying habit to output debug info on stderr; are you running your sshd in foreground during testing? |
| 00:29.39 | dutchfish | yes, it needed firmware |
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| 00:29.59 | \amethyst | chops1: wouldn't that mean that it never prompts for an LDAP password? |
| 00:30.13 | chops1 | jelly-home: Oh yeah |
| 00:30.23 | nvz | dutchfish: have you ever (or recently) plugged anything into that USB? |
| 00:30.47 | nvz | dutchfish: I'm seeing reports even from BSD users saying they have had issues with that controller |
| 00:30.48 | chops1 | jelly-home: Fortunately it doesn't actually output any debugging (just passes debugging flags down to libldap) :-( |
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| 00:30.57 | dutchfish | nvz: yes, only when i removed "the other os" wich was on it ie a mouse |
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| 00:31.10 | chops1 | \amethyst: I have no idea what use_first_pass means. Do you know anywhere I can find documentation on it? |
| 00:31.16 | \amethyst | chops1: man pam_ldap |
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| 00:31.25 | nvz | dutchfish: but I mean since this kernel booted, there was nothing ever plugged into the port? |
| 00:31.35 | dutchfish | nvz: nope |
| 00:31.39 | \amethyst | chops1: it means that, rather than prompting for a password, pam_ldap should take the password from the previous module |
| 00:31.52 | \amethyst | chops1: but since it's the first one, there is no previous password |
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| 00:32.36 | nvz | dutchfish: how about this wild idea.. do you have working usb devices you can plug into the ports to see what happens? |
| 00:32.44 | jelly-home | chops1: oh, it very much did output crap when we were trying to make it tacacs+ work with pam-ldap, if tac_plus was daemonized instead of running in foreground while debug was uncommented in pam_ldap, it broke auth |
| 00:32.52 | dutchfish | nvz: i did a lenny latest install (non graphical) and upgraded to squeeze |
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| 00:33.17 | dutchfish | nvz: yes, a sec i plug it in (the mouse) |
| 00:33.44 | \amethyst | chops1: you could try changing it to try_first_pass or even getting rid of it (so the line is just auth sufficient pam_ldap.so ) |
| 00:34.30 | nvz | dutchfish: just try plug it in one port, give it a minute to settle, then unplug, do the same on the other port, then pastebin the dmesg output again |
| 00:34.47 | \amethyst | chops1: also, is it correct that every user is in LDAP, and no one in /etc/passwd will ever need to ssh in? |
| 00:34.53 | dutchfish | nvz: ok, hold on |
| 00:35.48 | chops1 | HOLY HELL |
| 00:35.57 | chops1 | I just logged into ssh authenticating against LDAP |
| 00:36.04 | \amethyst | yay! |
| 00:36.09 | nvz | technically since its only a mouse it should settle into the bus pretty much immediately if its working properly |
| 00:36.11 | chops1 | This is the culmination of literally around two weeks of work off and on |
| 00:36.48 | chops1 | \amethyst: You sir have the honor of having handed me the key to the final door I was cheerfully bludgeoning my head against |
| 00:37.17 | \amethyst | chops1: congrats... for your next trick you can try LDAP + Kerberos, for a whole WORLD of fun :) |
| 00:37.37 | dutchfish | nvz: http://pastebin.com/MjgpcKC4 |
| 00:37.48 | chops1 | Well, my next trick is getting it all working in a chroot with rsync, which was the point of this whole fiasco in the first place |
| 00:37.58 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 00:39.37 | nvz | dutchfish: by the looks of that, the two ports you just plugged the mouse into are 3 and 4, so that still raises the question of where the hell ports 1 and 2 are |
| 00:39.52 | dutchfish | nvz: yep |
| 00:39.53 | nvz | dutchfish: not to mention both those ports are working fine |
| 00:40.01 | dutchfish | nods |
| 00:40.22 | chops1 | \amethyst: For this server, it's actually the point that no one in /etc/passwd be able to log in -- it's a second ssh server running on port 822, in a chroot, only for rsync |
| 00:40.50 | nvz | dutchfish: brings me back to the original thing about searching the case for ports, and looking across the mobo for USB headers. or as nsadmin said earler, download the mobo manual |
| 00:41.09 | dutchfish | nvz: ok, i will |
| 00:41.19 | dutchfish | nvz: thanks so far |
| 00:41.26 | nvz | dutchfish: I;m gonna see about how we can manage disabling these phantom ports |
| 00:41.32 | chops1 | jelly-home: Yes, by the look of it, libpam-ldap does not get the benefit of a lot of polish and user feedback |
| 00:41.38 | dutchfish | nvz: that would be cool |
| 00:41.59 | nvz | dutchfish: but it would be nice to know what they are first.. they might actually be for something. |
| 00:42.45 | dutchfish | nvz: i am thnking of fan-drive (they are at full speed atm) or some IPMI or DRAQ-alike thingy, its not ILO thats for sure |
| 00:43.03 | chops1 | \amethyst: "No manual entry for pam_ldap" |
| 00:43.40 | dutchfish | nvz: i will do that tommorrow, and thanks for trying to help, really apreciated |
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| 00:45.09 | joules2 | is exim4 much harder to configure than postfix? |
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| 00:46.08 | Brian--- | hello |
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| 00:47.01 | dutchfish | nvz: hey wait, another thing, the second NIC isnt in the logs (100 mbit), could that be through usb? |
| 00:47.01 | Brian--- | new to debian, just dist-upgraded to sid, and xorg 7.5 doesn't work with my radeon 9800 pro, any ideas on the best solution? |
| 00:47.59 | Brian--- | from what I gather, the ati catalyst 9.3 driver which supports "legacy" cards only goes up to xorg 7.4 |
| 00:48.20 | dutchfish | nvz: yep it must be the second nic |
| 00:48.30 | Brian--- | is it feasible to run sid with xorg 7.4? |
| 00:48.33 | adb | !tell Brian -about sid |
| 00:49.30 | Brian--- | adb, thanks, but I'm not getting any messages |
| 00:49.54 | nvz | dutchfish: wouldn't think so..but there is def only one nic showing up in lspci or in dmesg |
| 00:50.00 | joules2 | why exim |
| 00:50.29 | adb | Brian---, check a 'dpkg' channel |
| 00:50.32 | dutchfish | nvz: well there are 2 phys. 1 1Gbit and 1 100mbit |
| 00:50.38 | Brian--- | !tell Brian--- about sid |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | !tell Brian--- about selftell |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | Brian---: why would you upgrade to sid ? |
| 00:51.32 | adb | Brian---, and don't PM mr , please |
| 00:51.43 | adb | s/ mr/me |
| 00:52.07 | Brian--- | ah sorry about that |
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| 00:52.18 | Brian--- | I upgraded to get newer stuff |
| 00:52.22 | Brian--- | like newer eclipse |
| 00:52.33 | TomyLobo | why sid? |
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| 00:52.38 | TomyLobo | why not squeeze |
| 00:52.48 | nvz | dutchfish: is this a store bought machine that has a make/model, or do you have a model for the mobo? |
| 00:52.56 | TomyLobo | sid is broken, by intention |
| 00:53.08 | Devastator | dutchfish sorry not scroll to see all your problem, but what do you said about mobo's usb header ports? |
| 00:53.22 | TomyLobo | it contains the very latest available packages, which may or may not work or work together |
| 00:53.35 | Brian--- | sid had eclipse 3.4 I think, which I believe is necessary for android developer tools plugin |
| 00:53.40 | dutchfish | nvz: HP compaq ML370 G3 |
| 00:53.48 | TomyLobo | squeeze is a bit better, but you should still read changelogs for critical components |
| 00:54.01 | Brian--- | I may downgrade to squeeze |
| 00:54.03 | TomyLobo | i.e. stuff you'd need to downgrade packages |
| 00:54.11 | hayleyw | !downgrade |
| 00:54.12 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 00:54.49 | TomyLobo | unstable->testing is yours |
| 00:54.51 | nvz | dutchfish: the only related option I see as far as maybe disabling those other ports is the ignore_oc |
| 00:55.02 | nvz | dutchfish: see modinfo ohci-hcd |
| 00:55.59 | nvz | dutchfish: the ignore_oc feature is to ignore overcurrent events, "Some badly-designed motherboards generate lots of bogus events, for ports that aren't wired to anything. Set this parameter to avoid log spamming. Note that genuine overcurrent events wont be reported either" |
| 00:57.06 | Brian--- | alrighty then, I guess I'll try a partial downgrade, and otherwise, it'll be a fresh install |
| 00:57.11 | dutchfish | nvz: ok, i will check the ghost ports tommorrow, and follow your hints, thanks ! |
| 00:57.50 | nvz | dutchfish: yep. let me know if that module parameter does anything for ya. I never seen that until now. I was digging around in the kernel documentation |
| 00:57.55 | adb | judd, versions eclipse |
| 00:57.56 | judd | eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; lenny: 3.2.2-6.1; sid: 3.4.1-1 |
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| 00:59.26 | jpinx-eeepc | where do I start to look at man pages to enable me to have 2 similtaneous monitors and 2 keyboards which have different layouts (EN and ES) ? |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101547 .. might get you started on stuff to read |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: wrong link .. duh .. hold on |
| 01:01.05 | abrotman | well .. it'll give oyu stuff to google .. basically you want multi-seat |
| 01:01.53 | jpinx-eeepc | it's not so much multi seat at this stage - it's just me with an internal kbd in ES and an external in EN and a widescreen external monitor in portrait |
| 01:02.31 | jpinx-eeepc | and I thought I might use the laptop screen for irssi |
| 01:04.34 | Devastator | dutchfish i couldn't found a manual for this motherboard.. I'm trying to see if it has some usb headers.. |
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| 01:06.00 | dutchfish | Devastator: ok, looking myself atm |
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| 01:07.21 | limpio | hi, i'm using lenny, i'm trying to launch LXDE, so far, in my .xinitrc: exec lxde and exec lxde-session fail, is there a different line i should use? |
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| 01:08.20 | Devastator | dutchfish if I remember correctly, the header ports is always the first ports.. so if you found ports 3 & 4, header has 1 & 2 |
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| 01:09.53 | dutchfish | Devastator: right |
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| 01:18.45 | tuvwx | why does the user nobody has a shell set in /etc/passwd? |
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| 01:23.10 | tuvwx | i want to have an untrusted, firewalled, remote machine ssh to my machine automatically (non-interactively -> ssh-keys) just to forward some ports. i was thinking of using a dedicated user for that. what are the requirements? shell? home? |
| 01:23.16 | dark | does debian has a package with this http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TabBarMode ? |
| 01:23.42 | dark | tuvwx, you will need a chroot |
| 01:25.02 | dark | also something to disable the network for the processes ran by this user too, if it's untrusted |
| 01:25.02 | abrotman | dark: apt-cache search emacs tab .. i found one |
| 01:25.04 | tuvwx | dark: tabbar is already included in emacs |
| 01:25.21 | dark | i was trying to search with aptitude search emacs |
| 01:25.37 | dark | tuvwx, how do I enable it? o.o |
| 01:25.43 | tuvwx | dark: or probably emacs-goodies |
| 01:25.57 | tuvwx | dark: M-x tabbar-mode |
| 01:26.17 | dark | thank you two |
| 01:26.32 | tuvwx | dark: why a chroot? |
| 01:26.37 | tuvwx | dark: and how exactly? |
| 01:26.57 | dark | I don't know. :( I was reading thoughts of djb about that, http://cr.yp.to/unix/disablenetwork.html |
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| 01:28.29 | dark | the problem is, running untrusted code is hard in most oses. it's probably easier to set up qemu or something and run on it o.o you can also limit the hability of the ssh user of running only the programs you select, if you trust they don't have vulnerabilities |
| 01:28.46 | dark | but the ability of running an interpreter may defeat this |
| 01:29.02 | dark | tuvwx, why a chroot: otherwise the user can walk through the files |
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| 01:56.38 | laleger | greetings, has anyone experienced problems with rsyslog in debian not catching kernel messages? |
| 01:56.55 | laleger | my iptables events show up via dmesg but not via /var/log/messages |
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| 01:57.55 | Anarxi | can't send mail outside localhost, whats the course of action? |
| 01:58.01 | Anarxi | mta sendmail |
| 01:58.11 | Anarxi | log says sent ok |
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| 02:01.03 | monot1x0r | really really need help, been trying for a week to get this... SQL injection attack... heres the entry point http://www.enviromentalgarden.com/test/search.php, the developers have just put this page up on this site, its got another database called financials can someone please show me how to get into it? and pull data out of it? |
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| 02:03.09 | abrotman | monot1x0r: wrong channel |
| 02:04.13 | tuvwx | can i restruct an ssh public key to be used for port forwarding only and no shell access? |
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| 02:08.14 | rektide | how in the sam hell do i add /usr/bin/fuckingjavawtf as an alternative in /etc/alternatives/java |
| 02:08.24 | rektide | i cannot for hte life of me make update-alternatives do this |
| 02:08.58 | simonrvn | update-java-alternatives ? ;) |
| 02:09.10 | simonrvn | works well with the packaged stuff |
| 02:09.33 | rektide | /usr/bin/fuckingjavawtf is not prepackaged java |
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| 02:10.43 | abrotman | so what ... you still can use update-alternatives to do it |
| 02:10.48 | rektide | ah i had a syntax error |
| 02:10.49 | rektide | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java /usr/bin/fuckingjavawtf 6666 |
| 02:10.57 | rektide | that worked |
| 02:11.07 | simonrvn | !lart rektide |
| 02:11.08 | dpkg | changes rektide's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 02:11.08 | nevyn | abrotman: rektide nope that'll break |
| 02:11.15 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:11.28 | nevyn | abrotman: oops |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | what will break? and why are you telling me? |
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| 02:12.01 | nevyn | rektide: the whole java problem wrt to alterntives is classpath java etc have to be consistant |
| 02:12.01 | rektide | what will break? i dont care that you didnt tell me |
| 02:12.33 | nevyn | rektide: so it's not just a matter of pointing the java alternative at the right thing but also classpath javac etc. |
| 02:13.50 | rektide | the problem with your theory is i know what i'm doing and you're wrong |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | nevyn: and your job is done ... |
| 02:14.20 | simonrvn | !lart rektide |
| 02:14.20 | dpkg | puts rektide through a wood chipper |
| 02:14.28 | rektide | because i do want to install fuckingjavawtf as my mother fucking java and it will ultimately do its job and point to the proper jvm |
| 02:14.40 | rektide | and because now mvn works nad before it didnt |
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| 02:14.47 | hayleyw | chill |
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| 02:14.55 | simonrvn | that's nice. *plonk* |
| 02:15.07 | rektide | sorry involuntary violation of the channel language charter |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | five times .. |
| 02:15.22 | rektide | word |
| 02:15.25 | rektide | how many involuntary |
| 02:15.34 | rektide | 4/5 or 3/5 ? |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | rektide: stop hitting enter .. |
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| 02:16.19 | rektide | dpkg: ipv6 |
| 02:16.19 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
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| 02:16.38 | rektide | dpkg: noipv6 |
| 02:16.38 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 02:16.41 | rektide | yyeessssssssss |
| 02:16.42 | abrotman | rektide: msg the bot |
| 02:16.44 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:16.45 | rektide | problem REALLY solved |
| 02:16.47 | rektide | no |
| 02:16.49 | rektide | you should all know this |
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| 02:16.55 | hayleyw | sigh |
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| 02:20.02 | nevyn | hrm that seems somewhat harsh but whatev. |
| 02:20.39 | wheee | my cheap USB mouse won't work |
| 02:20.40 | wheee | >: |
| 02:20.54 | wheee | as for the xorg conf file |
| 02:21.01 | wheee | I just copied the one from puppy linux |
| 02:21.09 | wheee | that might be the cause for the mouse? |
| 02:21.26 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:21.31 | halifax_ | hello, why does this zone file not work --> http://pastebin.com/v2auwuMM |
| 02:21.45 | nevyn | wheee: did you try not having a xorg.conf |
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| 02:21.59 | zeitsofa | hello. i have some trouble with X and UTF8. there is a difference output from locale on tty and X. on tty de_DE.UTF-8 is working fine and on X LANG= variable are empty and the other ones are POSIX. how can i fix this? |
| 02:22.05 | wheee | like deleting it? nope |
| 02:22.26 | wheee | I'll try |
| 02:22.43 | wheee | but i had to change it since the default refresh rate was too high |
| 02:22.48 | \amethyst | halifax_: don't you need a @ in the first column of lines 11 - 16 ? |
| 02:23.03 | \amethyst | e.g. @ IN NS ns1.xn--wanderwg-6za.com. |
| 02:23.04 | halifax_ | no |
| 02:23.12 | nevyn | halifax_: . if anything |
| 02:23.17 | nevyn | halifax_: how does it fail? |
| 02:23.33 | nevyn | halifax_: did you not update serial no? |
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| 02:23.51 | halifax_ | if i do /etc/init.d/bind9 restart bind9 loads |
| 02:24.06 | halifax_ | bit if i do host wanderwäg.com |
| 02:24.09 | nevyn | mmm. |
| 02:24.10 | halifax_ | i got this |
| 02:24.35 | nevyn | halifax_: you've defined a master zone in named.conf? |
| 02:24.54 | halifax_ | Host wanderwäg.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 02:24.59 | halifax_ | yes |
| 02:25.04 | halifax_ | i did |
| 02:25.06 | halifax_ | like |
| 02:25.30 | \amethyst | is debian's bind9-host built with IDN support? |
| 02:26.08 | halifax_ | zone "wanderwaeg.com" { |
| 02:26.09 | halifax_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.09 | halifax_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.09 | halifax_ | }; |
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| 02:26.09 | nevyn | I thought IDN got bounced with the whole paypal "a" issue? |
| 02:26.12 | hayleyw | not to mention that line 14 has "example.com" which doesnt match the rest of the zone file :P |
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| 02:26.36 | \amethyst | and is missing a trailing dot |
| 02:26.45 | \amethyst | though that wouldn't explain the issue |
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| 02:26.52 | halifax_ | nevyn: could you see the master entry in name.conf.local |
| 02:26.56 | nevyn | hayleyw: that's all fine (I assume it's part of the anonymising) |
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| 02:28.17 | \amethyst | halifax_: aha, it looks like Debian's version of 'host' does not have IDN support |
| 02:28.38 | halifax_ | i will check it mom |
| 02:28.40 | \amethyst | halifax_: does host www.xn--wanderwg-6za.com work? |
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| 02:29.19 | halifax_ | host www.xn--wanderwg-6za.com does not work |
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| 02:31.12 | \amethyst | halifax_: and your resolv.conf is pointing to this DNS server? |
| 02:31.30 | halifax_ | yes frist entry ist nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:32.06 | halifax_ | all other non ä ö ü domains wok well |
| 02:32.20 | halifax_ | only if i do a zoenfile with ö ä ü |
| 02:33.13 | halifax_ | then i doesn't work |
| 02:34.03 | halifax_ | i did a lot of google but i can't find any hint |
| 02:34.36 | \amethyst | wow |
| 02:34.50 | \amethyst | when I google for bind9 punycode your pastebin is the first result :) |
| 02:35.20 | halifax_ | yes |
| 02:36.34 | \amethyst | halifax_: ah |
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| 02:37.00 | \amethyst | halifax_: what if you change your entry in named.conf to zone "xn--wanderwg-6za.com" { |
| 02:37.07 | \amethyst | halifax_: instead of zone "wanderwaeg.com" |
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| 02:37.22 | halifax_ | mom i will test it |
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| 02:38.51 | halifax_ | Host wanderwäg.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 02:38.58 | augustowebd | hi, I need help, I try to install Debian Lenny in my note( HP DV6750Br) but reboot the machine the sound don't work...(sorry for my Englesh)... |
| 02:39.19 | \amethyst | halifax_: try it with host xn--wanderwg-6za.com |
| 02:39.32 | \amethyst | halifax_: 'host' still won't do IDN |
| 02:40.00 | halifax_ | host xn--wanderwg-6za.com |
| 02:40.00 | halifax_ | xn--wanderwg-6za.com has address xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 02:40.00 | halifax_ | xn--wanderwg-6za.com mail is handled by 10 mail.example.com |
| 02:40.05 | halifax_ | hello |
| 02:40.10 | Anarxi | I think my server is possessed |
| 02:40.12 | Anarxi | :| |
| 02:40.13 | halifax_ | it works now |
| 02:40.16 | \amethyst | halifax_: there you go... if you use a program that *does* have IDN support it should work |
| 02:40.27 | nsadmin | augustowebd: so mostly it's working? |
| 02:40.45 | halifax_ | ok i will test it in a browser |
| 02:40.56 | \amethyst | halifax_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459010 is the relevant bug for lack of IDN support |
| 02:41.40 | augustowebd | nsadmin: the sound and wireless have problem... |
| 02:41.53 | augustowebd | but, the sound a can't fix... |
| 02:42.19 | nsadmin | other than those, it works? |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | !tell augustowebd about alsa checklist |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | augustowebd: and make sure alsa-utils and linux-sound-base are instlaled |
| 02:43.25 | augustowebd | abrotman: ok, I'll see... |
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| 02:44.12 | augustowebd | abrotman: "Now ALSA is ready to use." |
| 02:44.29 | augustowebd | but the volume control don't work... |
| 02:44.30 | halifax_ | \amethyst: it works also in the browser if i write http://wanderwäg.com i get the right result |
| 02:44.45 | augustowebd | may be I have to restart, is right? |
| 02:44.48 | halifax_ | thanx |
| 02:44.57 | \amethyst | halifax_: cool, np |
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| 02:46.28 | nsadmin | augustowebd http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug |
| 02:46.37 | nsadmin | run the info script |
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| 02:47.11 | Evet | i have deleted /etc/apache2 folder, now apache2 package cannot be installed properly. how to solve this? |
| 02:47.56 | augustowebd | nsadmin: thanks, I'll see it right now. |
| 02:48.36 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 02:48.36 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 02:48.39 | \amethyst | Evet: ^^ |
| 02:49.20 | \amethyst | Evet: apache2.2-common is the package you'll need to reinstall with --force-confmiss (alternatively, to purge and reinstall) |
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| 02:53.34 | nsadmin | run the info script |
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| 02:55.47 | Evet | \amethyst: parfect. thank you |
| 02:55.52 | Evet | i need to learn |
| 02:55.54 | augustowebd | sound problem solved! |
| 02:56.07 | Evet | what is the command that destroy everything about a package |
| 02:56.21 | \amethyst | Evet: apt-get/aptitude purge |
| 02:56.58 | Evet | \amethyst: purge doesn't remove even folders |
| 02:57.02 | augustowebd | now I need to solve another, the applet in gnome, which shows the available networks does not appera... |
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| 02:57.35 | abrotman | did you install network-manager ? |
| 02:57.36 | \amethyst | Evet: it won't remove them if another package, or something other than a package, put other files in there |
| 02:57.42 | \amethyst | Evet: only if the directory is empty |
| 02:58.05 | augustowebd | abrotman: the network-manager need to install after the instalation? |
| 02:58.19 | \amethyst | Evet: however, once you have purged the package and verified that any remaining files don't belong to a package are are disposable, it is safe to delete the directory |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | i asked you if it was installed |
| 02:58.23 | augustowebd | I come from the Ubuntu :| |
| 02:58.29 | augustowebd | ah,m ok... |
| 02:58.32 | augustowebd | just a moment... |
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| 02:59.15 | \amethyst | Evet: (you can use dpkg -S to see whether a file belongs to a package) |
| 02:59.46 | augustowebd | I don't think so, I have the network-admin is equal to network-manager? |
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| 03:01.34 | augustowebd | abrotman: "network-manager is already the newest version." |
| 03:01.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:02.59 | Evet | \amethyst: can i use dpkg -S without aptitude/apt-get remove? |
| 03:03.28 | \amethyst | I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 03:03.39 | nsadmin | tias |
| 03:03.41 | \amethyst | dpkg -S just queries the package database to see what package a file belongs to |
| 03:03.41 | dpkg | You Fool! just queries the package database to see what package a file belongs to is installed! |
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| 03:04.38 | nsadmin | dpkg, thank you for sharing... here's 50 sleeping pills... |
| 03:04.39 | dpkg | no problem, nsadmin |
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| 03:06.08 | larrikin | I'm having problems with my gnome session bus .. it seems to launch, but no sockets in /tmp and gnome apps complain, some fail to start |
| 03:07.22 | wally1337 | ok so here is my question: I installed debian 5.0 on the 23rd of feb. I wrote down my root password and was able to su to root to perform admin activities up until friday the 26th of feb when I went away. The computer was shutdown and the only odity that happened was booting into windows xp for abit of gaming that day. I get back on sunday feb 28th from a holiday and my root password absoloutely does not work, even after |
| 03:07.31 | wally1337 | being checked a few times. Admittedly I did type it in incorrectly about 5 times however I soon double checked it with my written down password and typed it in correctly. Now it keeps saying it's the wrong password. What the heck has happened? |
| 03:07.33 | Evet | \amethyst: ah okay, i thought dpkg removes the files |
| 03:08.21 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell wally1337 about ifrp |
| 03:09.10 | Evet | dpkg -S pluto is not a planet |
| 03:09.10 | dpkg | There is no record of a pluto is not a planet package |
| 03:09.12 | wally1337 | jpinx-eeepc: ty, however why would this happen? |
| 03:09.16 | Evet | lol |
| 03:09.56 | jpinx-eeepc | wally1337: fiik :) |
| 03:10.09 | jpinx-eeepc | i look for solutions - not problems :) |
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| 03:38.01 | SerajewelKS | well, it was a success... my grandpa-in-law is now on debian |
| 03:38.15 | SerajewelKS | and just sent me an email about how much he likes it better than "that xp" |
| 03:40.18 | chops1 | SerajewelKS: http://xkcd.com/456/ |
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| 03:41.33 | reseg | Hi, I'm on Debian Lenny - what do I need to do to be able to play quicktime movies? |
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| 03:46.04 | abrotman | reseg: gnome? kde? |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | reseg: usually vlc and mplayer can .. some QT movies still cannot be played at all IIRC |
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| 03:46.49 | DogBoy | well, they are more difficult |
| 03:47.15 | DogBoy | the problem is when you say quicktime movies it doesn't always mean just one thing |
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| 03:47.43 | abrotman | i thought one of the codecs for QT still didn't work |
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| 03:48.58 | DogBoy | depends on what you want to go through to play it |
| 03:49.04 | DogBoy | anything can be played |
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| 03:54.16 | reseg | abrotman, gnome, I'm using VLC to open the file in question |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | did oyu try totem ? |
| 03:55.22 | DogBoy | reseg, #mplayer is a good place to ask that question |
| 03:55.49 | abrotman | except they won't support the version in Lenny |
| 03:56.05 | DogBoy | yea that's right, but how do we support it |
| 03:56.23 | reseg | I'll try totem. And by the way, I tried RealPlayer just now, and I was given this message: "The following components are required: video/X-HX-AVC1" |
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| 03:57.08 | abrotman | he could also try getting the w32codecs |
| 03:58.02 | DogBoy | probably a good idea |
| 03:58.15 | DogBoy | but no longer free software I guess |
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| 04:00.00 | DogBoy | that's true though, usually the first thing they tell you in #mplayer is "have you tried the latest version?" |
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| 04:15.53 | wfelipe | hi, how can I change the routing table in Linux? in order to decide which gateway should I use based on the source address |
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| 04:18.08 | nsadmin | so you want multiple gateways |
| 04:18.23 | nsadmin | and you have multiple IPs? |
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| 04:20.00 | nsadmin | you should use dia or something like that (xfig is another) to draw a diagram of what your net looks like |
| 04:23.30 | wfelipe | for example, if the source address is 10.0.0.5, goes through gw 10.0.0.1, but all other network goes to gw 10.0.0.2 |
| 04:23.34 | wfelipe | something like that |
| 04:24.06 | DogBoy | well that's clear as mud |
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| 04:34.53 | jstein | hi, what was the debian way to disable services in init.d (was there a tool, that auto renamed all S30-foo to K40-foo?) |
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| 04:35.24 | nooper | sysv-rc-conf |
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| 04:40.35 | jstein | thats a nice gui, thank you |
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| 04:55.50 | nsadmin | is a move toward upstart being considered for debian? |
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| 04:57.18 | nsadmin | if so... will there be a period where both upstart and sysvinit are supported? if so... how would that work? |
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| 05:05.34 | peterrooney | !upstart |
| 05:05.35 | dpkg | somebody said upstart was an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
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| 05:10.23 | IOI | Hi |
| 05:11.29 | nsadmin | "To solve the fundamental problem, the plan is to replace /sbin/init |
| 05:11.33 | nsadmin | with an implementation that is able to handle kernel events." |
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| 05:12.03 | nsadmin | so yes, debian is at least moving away from sysvinit |
| 05:12.14 | IOI | I want to install Debian, but: What is the ISOs that me need to install for to have a good distro? |
| 05:13.09 | nsadmin | IOI: you'll get the same results pretty much no matter which media you get, assuming you have a fat net connection whose net card device is known to the debian kernel |
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| 05:13.51 | nsadmin | IOI: examples, first CD, netinst CD image -- writing that netinst to either a cd blank or a usb key |
| 05:14.17 | nsadmin | what do you run now? |
| 05:15.00 | IOI | well, I have 5 ISOs, for to download |
| 05:15.17 | nsadmin | what os are you running now? |
| 05:15.33 | IOI | how much need for a good distro? |
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| 05:15.42 | IOI | I am with windows XP and Slackware |
| 05:15.46 | IOI | now, XP |
| 05:16.11 | nsadmin | the slackware is on the machine you intend to put debian on? |
| 05:16.28 | IOI | no |
| 05:16.35 | IOI | I have 1 pc and 1 note |
| 05:16.42 | IOI | notebook* |
| 05:16.44 | nsadmin | let's give them names |
| 05:18.06 | nsadmin | the name you give to your pc is? |
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| 05:19.12 | IOI | nsadmin: why need of this? O.o |
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| 05:20.25 | nsadmin | we don't... you could read the install guide |
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| 05:20.47 | nsadmin | which gives you a wide assortment of ways to install |
| 05:21.05 | IOI | nsadmin: hum... wait |
| 05:21.16 | nsadmin | I thought maybe I could save some time, but maybe it's best if you read that document first |
| 05:22.05 | nsadmin | also, I am somewhat curious as to why you want to install debian |
| 05:22.08 | chops1 | Does anyone know how to set the homedir to / from a PAM config file (/etc/pam.d/foo)? |
| 05:22.23 | peterrooney | IOI: burn either of the *first* ISO (DVD or CD,) or use the netinst CD. |
| 05:22.45 | IOI | I want to know the advantages of eath ISO |
| 05:22.52 | IOI | the first is the main |
| 05:23.09 | IOI | but and the outers? |
| 05:23.22 | nsadmin | that information is in the install guide |
| 05:23.38 | IOI | outhers* |
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| 05:25.30 | IOI | nsadmin: hum... |
| 05:26.58 | peterrooney | IOI: the short version is, very few people need anything other than the first CD or DVD. Very few. The packages are sort of roughly organized by popularity. |
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| 05:29.08 | chops1 | IOI: Also, most people tend to use networked software installation instead of installing from burned CDs even if they have the CDs sitting right next to them, because it's easier and faster for most things. The process is 100% the same except that to install things from the original CDs requires you to find the CD and put it in the drive. |
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| 05:29.52 | IOI | I am searching about this |
| 05:30.11 | nsadmin | peterrooney: are you familiar at all with init replacements which (1) use dependencies and (2) can respond to kernel events? |
| 05:30.34 | IOI | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html <<<<< looking/seeing |
| 05:31.51 | nsadmin | the netinst is approx 150 mb, and has the installer and the base install of debian, hence it's possible to get a very minimal (the smallest possible) installation on your machine... from there, you can install what you want |
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| 05:32.58 | IOI | nsadmin: yeah |
| 05:33.24 | nsadmin | so what makes you the most curious about debian? |
| 05:33.43 | IOI | nsadmin: to test |
| 05:34.12 | nsadmin | so you're curious about something |
| 05:35.20 | IOI | nsadmin: CD or DVD? choose for me |
| 05:35.44 | nsadmin | you have not said anything about what you want |
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| 05:36.15 | nsadmin | other than what I gather to be "you're curious about something" |
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| 05:37.02 | nsadmin | plus you haven't said anything about the machine you intend to install onto, its arch, its disk controller, its net card |
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| 05:37.54 | IOI | hum.. |
| 05:38.16 | nsadmin | given that, I'd say dvd image, but that's quite a large download only necessary because there's information missing |
| 05:38.34 | nsadmin | read the install guide |
| 05:38.52 | nsadmin | it details all three plus more possibilities |
| 05:39.00 | IOI | I choose CD |
| 05:39.17 | peterrooney | IOI: welcome to a larger world. |
| 05:39.31 | IOI | peterrooney: Ty |
| 05:40.12 | nsadmin | have you ever played with debian? ubuntu? knoppix? |
| 05:40.47 | IOI | only slack |
| 05:41.24 | nsadmin | ok, then I'll suggest to you that since lenny is the latest stable release, you should install that |
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| 05:41.48 | IOI | I know |
| 05:41.52 | IOI | about this |
| 05:41.59 | nsadmin | because presently you have experience with linux but no experience with debian or anything based on debian |
| 05:42.29 | nsadmin | it's a good place to learn without subjecting yourself to lots of problems that will make no sense to you |
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| 05:43.26 | IOI | ok |
| 05:44.10 | nsadmin | just like any linux dist, you can get C compilers and dev tools so you can build anything you want, and you'll find that most things are already packaged |
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| 05:44.54 | IOI | hum... |
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| 05:45.31 | nsadmin | one major thing that will be new to you, is the packaging system. it forces relationships between packages so that when you install something that needs a bunch of other things, they will automatically be installed |
| 05:46.10 | IOI | ok |
| 05:46.15 | nsadmin | as a user of slackware, the debian packaging system will take some getting used to |
| 05:47.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are packages constantly being moved up the ladder from unstable to testing all of the time as things are fixed or do they only move each branch up as a whole only during a new stable release? |
| 05:48.06 | nsadmin | unstable packages leak into testing when they have no bugs for a specific period of time |
| 05:48.44 | nsadmin | testing packages leak to unstable when someone reports severe enough bugs against them |
| 05:49.09 | nsadmin | this happens on a daily basis until testing is frozen |
| 05:49.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | hmm thats interesting I wasnt aware that things could move the other way. I ask because I am considering moving to testing on my desktop. |
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| 05:49.41 | nsadmin | from what? |
| 05:49.48 | nsadmin | and why? |
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| 05:50.53 | IOI | ty men |
| 05:51.02 | IOI | I go to exit of the IRC |
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| 05:51.21 | nsadmin | good luck (and read the install guide) |
| 05:51.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | From Lenny stable. For having newer packages such as cheese that will allow me to use my new webcam at a lower resolution so I can do Debian tutorials for YouTube. |
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| 05:51.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | 1280x1024 has low frame rate to use. |
| 05:51.57 | IOI | peterrooney ; nsadmin ; chops1 ty |
| 05:52.08 | nsadmin | which is the native res of the camera? |
| 05:52.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yep. Cheese in Lenny doesnt have that resolution setting feature. |
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| 05:52.53 | nsadmin | howbout something in backports |
| 05:53.22 | nsadmin | or can you backport cheese? |
| 05:53.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im not sure if cheese from squeeze has a backport for lenny. I thought i looked before. |
| 05:53.39 | nsadmin | ,versions cheese |
| 05:53.41 | judd | cheese -- lenny: 2.22.3-3; sid: 2.28.1-1; squeeze: 2.28.1-1 |
| 05:53.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | That rhymes cheese from squeeze. I like that. |
| 05:54.34 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009 you could try a simple backport |
| 05:55.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: How do i do that? I have a little experience building deb packages with ./configure, make, checkinstall -D |
| 05:55.55 | nsadmin | put this in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:56.33 | nsadmin | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 05:57.09 | nsadmin | -just- that line, you don't want binary packages from squeeze (which would result if you put also a deb line) |
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| 05:57.29 | nsadmin | then aptitude update |
| 05:57.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im following you. |
| 05:57.49 | nsadmin | then apt-get build-dep cheese |
| 05:57.58 | nsadmin | then apt-get source cheese |
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| 05:58.27 | nsadmin | this last will pull in the 2.28.1-1 version of the source |
| 05:58.39 | nsadmin | and put it in whatever dir you happen to be in |
| 05:59.09 | nsadmin | then cd into the dir it extracted the source to |
| 05:59.22 | nsadmin | and try running these commands: |
| 05:59.30 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 05:59.35 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules build |
| 05:59.40 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 05:59.54 | nsadmin | if all that works, you will have a .deb (or many .debs) in .. |
| 06:00.28 | nsadmin | then use dpkg to install it/them |
| 06:00.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thats called building a backport right? Ive been trying to learn to do that for like forever. |
| 06:01.04 | nsadmin | right, specifically it's backporting a debian package |
| 06:01.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im writing this all down and am gonna be trying this on tons of stuff Im sure. |
| 06:01.17 | nsadmin | more info: |
| 06:01.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | You are THE man!! Thank you so much for explaining that. |
| 06:01.21 | nsadmin | !ssb |
| 06:01.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 06:02.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'll be so happy if that works. Thanks so much!!! |
| 06:02.15 | nsadmin | in this case we're backporting from squeeze |
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| 06:02.36 | nsadmin | welcome... it has a good 65% chance |
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| 06:05.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im off to give it a go. |
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| 06:09.39 | artagnon | I've been on 32-bit Debian for the last 4+ years, and I'd like to switch to the amd64 one. My partitions are LVM'ed and my installation is quite complex. Unfortunately, / itself isn't on LVM. Is there a way to avoid backing everything up, re-paritioning and doing a CD-install? |
| 06:10.08 | nsadmin | So if lenny offers dependency-based startup scripts, how would I: (1) see if I have that now, and (2) switch from one to the other |
| 06:10.09 | nsadmin | ? |
| 06:10.58 | nsadmin | artagnon: make new lvm partitions and install fresh onto them |
| 06:12.08 | artagnon | nsadmin: Right. That's what I thought I'd do. But what can I do about / not being on LVM? |
| 06:12.23 | artagnon | my fstab should clarify this: http://pastie.org/847746 |
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| 06:15.08 | nsadmin | split it into two? |
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| 06:15.44 | nsadmin | you do want to replace your curr. install? |
| 06:15.54 | artagnon | Yes. |
| 06:15.59 | artagnon | But safely ofcourse. |
| 06:16.11 | artagnon | I won't remove my current installation until I know that I can boot into the new one. |
| 06:16.18 | nsadmin | ok, then back up everything first |
| 06:16.30 | artagnon | Too much data. Over 1 TiB of data. |
| 06:16.42 | artagnon | So that is not an option. |
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| 06:17.04 | nsadmin | then "safely" could be a strong word... |
| 06:17.21 | nsadmin | how large is your /? |
| 06:17.52 | nsadmin | both max and curr |
| 06:18.12 | artagnon | 498 MiB/ 4 GiB. My current plan: I have some free space in my VG. So create root-new, usr-new, var-new lvs |
| 06:19.10 | artagnon | I'll include /dev/sda5 in my VG after my fresh installation. |
| 06:19.11 | nsadmin | do you use grub or lilo? |
| 06:19.15 | artagnon | GRUB. |
| 06:19.35 | artagnon | Can it boot off an LVM'ed disk? Is it safe to do that? |
| 06:19.42 | nsadmin | well it can |
| 06:20.04 | nsadmin | but I for one would want rescue media that could handle it |
| 06:20.19 | nsadmin | meaning full support for activating and using the lvs |
| 06:20.48 | nsadmin | what I would suggest here is this... |
| 06:20.53 | artagnon | Okay... |
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| 06:21.05 | nsadmin | see if you can reduce your / to 2g |
| 06:21.18 | artagnon | How?! It's not on LVM! |
| 06:21.22 | nsadmin | if you can do that, make another primary partition with the remaining 2g |
| 06:21.51 | nsadmin | first reduce the filesystem in the partition then reduce the partition which contains it |
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| 06:22.21 | artagnon | Right. I can't live resize it. I'll have to do it from some rescue media, no? |
| 06:22.29 | nsadmin | probably so |
| 06:22.41 | nsadmin | be careful here, back up the / data first |
| 06:22.50 | nsadmin | you should have plenty of room to do that |
| 06:22.58 | artagnon | Wait. I want to know if it's worth the risk. I don't mind putting my new / on LVM. |
| 06:23.09 | artagnon | If I need a rescue disk that has LVM support, I'll get one. |
| 06:23.37 | artagnon | Resizing / seems to be considerably more risky. |
| 06:23.38 | nsadmin | I have a coupla systems that were done that way... and I'm not sure I like it |
| 06:23.46 | artagnon | oh. |
| 06:23.51 | nsadmin | if you back up the / |
| 06:23.57 | nsadmin | then at least you'll have it |
| 06:24.05 | nsadmin | I recommend something like: |
| 06:24.14 | artagnon | Right. I think I'll back it up then. |
| 06:25.03 | nsadmin | (cd / ; tar cplf /loc/of/tarball/backup.tar .) |
| 06:25.13 | artagnon | btw, about your dependency-based boot question, I found it on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 06:25.17 | nsadmin | I'd do that from single user mode |
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| 06:25.29 | nsadmin | oh thank you very much |
| 06:25.45 | artagnon | Right, after unmounting everything else in init 1. |
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| 06:26.10 | nsadmin | you don't have to do that |
| 06:26.20 | nsadmin | tar l is the key |
| 06:26.33 | nsadmin | look at the man page to see what l does |
| 06:26.42 | artagnon | Ah. |
| 06:26.49 | nsadmin | besides |
| 06:26.57 | nsadmin | you need /usr since that's where tar is |
| 06:27.05 | artagnon | hehe :) |
| 06:27.08 | artagnon | Yeah, I forgot |
| 06:27.12 | nsadmin | er is that true |
| 06:27.26 | artagnon | no |
| 06:27.28 | artagnon | it's in /bin |
| 06:27.41 | nsadmin | oh, yeah that makes sense |
| 06:28.04 | nsadmin | hard to restore /usr partition from a tar otherwise |
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| 06:28.38 | artagnon | nods |
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| 06:29.06 | nsadmin | what kind of filesystem is / |
| 06:29.16 | artagnon | ~ |
| 06:29.24 | artagnon | er, I mean ext3 |
| 06:29.36 | nsadmin | you should be able to reduce that |
| 06:29.59 | nsadmin | what you -could- do is... |
| 06:30.06 | nsadmin | backup / |
| 06:30.12 | artagnon | I'm tarring it now. Why drop to single-user mode? |
| 06:30.20 | nsadmin | reduce / filesystem to 1g |
| 06:30.29 | artagnon | Okay... and? |
| 06:30.42 | nsadmin | because your system is in flux while in multiuser mode |
| 06:31.04 | nsadmin | but I've done it before (that doesn't mean much more than a story tho) |
| 06:31.13 | artagnon | Right. My stupidity. Just tried it :p |
| 06:31.36 | nsadmin | did it not work? |
| 06:32.11 | nsadmin | it should work unless something new I'm not aware of |
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| 06:32.33 | artagnon | Permission errors, read errors etc. |
| 06:32.39 | nsadmin | anyway back to "what you -could- do is..." |
| 06:32.49 | artagnon | Yeah..? |
| 06:33.11 | nsadmin | reduce containing partition to size of filesystem |
| 06:33.45 | nsadmin | make temp partition for / in resulting free space |
| 06:34.04 | artagnon | One sec, let me check how many primaries I have |
| 06:34.07 | nsadmin | install amd64 base in that partition, reboot |
| 06:34.23 | artagnon | That's exactly what I plan to do. |
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| 06:34.56 | nsadmin | after that you can copy out to the existing lvs or make new ones |
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| 06:35.18 | artagnon | Yeah, I suppose. |
| 06:35.30 | nsadmin | how much room do you have on the drive? |
| 06:35.49 | nsadmin | I gather your /home is an LV and you want to keep it? |
| 06:35.58 | artagnon | Yes. |
| 06:36.06 | artagnon | In my VG, I have 22 GiB unallocated. |
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| 06:36.18 | artagnon | So I'll make a usr-new and var-new with that space |
| 06:36.22 | artagnon | for my new installation. |
| 06:36.25 | nsadmin | wow that's tiny |
| 06:36.36 | nsadmin | compared to your total storage |
| 06:36.48 | artagnon | Yeah, most of my stuff is in /home. |
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| 06:37.11 | artagnon | My current /usr is 4.4G/9.9G used. |
| 06:37.12 | nsadmin | you sure you don't have a spare drive laying around? |
| 06:37.42 | artagnon | 22 GiB is more than enough I think. Otherwise, I can reclaim some space from some LVs. |
| 06:38.02 | nsadmin | yeah, you can live in that space for quite awhile |
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| 06:38.23 | artagnon | So I don't mind. The moment my new installation works, I'll throw away my old one. |
| 06:38.44 | nsadmin | but take care of the critical part first, and with utmost care |
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| 06:39.07 | artagnon | Yeah, I'll try my best to avoid screwing up ;) |
| 06:39.11 | artagnon | it's almost too easy to screw up |
| 06:39.19 | artagnon | there should be some simpler way to do this :p |
| 06:39.22 | nsadmin | no almost about it :P |
| 06:39.49 | nsadmin | I mean, you're going to be root for like a long time... |
| 06:40.19 | artagnon | I plan to finish this whole thing off in under 4 hours (including the debootstrapping on my slow connection) |
| 06:40.25 | artagnon | Yeah, I know. |
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| 06:41.08 | nsadmin | you can just install from an image instead of debootstrapping but that's your choice |
| 06:41.13 | muaddib | hello all |
| 06:41.22 | muaddib | I was wondering if I could as a mod_rewrite question |
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| 06:41.34 | artagnon | nsadmin: Ah. I'll keep an image ready then. |
| 06:41.46 | artagnon | One less thing that can go wrong :) |
| 06:41.51 | nsadmin | if you don't find out here, #apache or #web |
| 06:41.58 | muaddib | I want to take http://hostname/something and redirect it http://hostname:8080/something |
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| 06:42.14 | artagnon | muaddib: #apache please. |
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| 06:42.41 | nsadmin | personally I'm an aolserver guy |
| 06:42.57 | nsadmin | and it took a minute to get used to it |
| 06:43.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: When you said to only put deb-src for queeze, did you mean to remove all sources completely except for that one? Or did you simply mean not to add the regular deb source line for squeeze binaries? |
| 06:43.16 | chops1 | So I have an init script that I want to run a chrooted daemon... I'm considering just wrapping the start-stop-daemon lines in chroot, but is there any better way to do this? |
| 06:43.19 | nsadmin | no, keep your lenny sources |
| 06:43.25 | lamefun | lol, i taught dpkg what Teeworlds is... how to unteach it? |
| 06:43.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok cool. |
| 06:43.36 | nsadmin | don't add deb lines for squeeze |
| 06:43.42 | nsadmin | just deb-src |
| 06:43.49 | nsadmin | so you don't get squeeze bins |
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| 06:44.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok i understand you now. Thanks for clearing that up. |
| 06:44.13 | artagnon | nsadmin: netinst images are for stable. I think I'll debootstrap a testing. |
| 06:44.32 | hile | squeeze bin sounds like some horrible torturing device :) |
| 06:44.54 | nsadmin | artagnon: is this a local machine? what/who uses it (err, how many) |
| 06:45.06 | artagnon | nsadmin: local machine. I'm the only user. |
| 06:45.07 | chops1 | I almost want to conditionally run exec chroot /root $0 "$*" at the top of the initscript, but I know that's asking for trouble :-) |
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| 06:45.55 | artagnon | nsadmin: To avoid signing off IRC, I think I'll power up my laptop. |
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| 06:46.11 | nsadmin | probably good idea :) |
| 06:46.18 | artagnon | :D |
| 06:48.26 | artagnon | In the meantime, I'll go get something to eat and a network switch :) |
| 06:48.29 | artagnon | bbiab. |
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| 06:50.35 | nsadmin | what does LSB have to do with dependency-based boot sequence? (I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot ) |
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| 06:55.29 | nsadmin | !insserv |
| 06:55.39 | nsadmin | !listvals insserv |
| 06:55.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'insserv' by value returned no results. |
| 06:55.48 | nsadmin | !listkeys insserv |
| 06:55.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'insserv' by key returned no results. |
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| 07:02.09 | blahdeblah | Hi. I just upgraded from etch to lenny, and the PostgreSQL upgrade script converted all of my databases from UTF8 to Latin1. Is there anything i can do to convert them now, or do i have to re-upgrade manually? |
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| 07:03.49 | nsadmin | do you have the old databases? the dumps |
| 07:03.50 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 07:06.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: I did "apt-get source cheese" it downloaded it to my home folder. I then did "apt-get build-dep cheese" it says I dont have libgtk2.0-dev, so I installed that and it still says it. Any idea? |
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| 07:08.03 | nsadmin | anyway if you have either of those you could probably try restoring them... if not, you could dump each database separately, then restore each into a db with utf-8 |
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| 07:08.33 | nsadmin | LinuxGuy2009: what exactly did you install? |
| 07:09.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: libgtk2.0-dev cause it said I needed it. |
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| 07:09.52 | nsadmin | ok, could you try aptitude build-dep cheese |
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| 07:10.08 | nsadmin | this is a lenny? |
| 07:10.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: Ok Ill try that |
| 07:10.39 | nsadmin | also try aptitude install build-essential |
| 07:11.07 | nsadmin | it'll probably say you already hae that |
| 07:11.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | yep already installed build-essential. Good call, aptitude build-dep cheese worked. |
| 07:11.45 | nsadmin | so aptitude suceeded? |
| 07:12.31 | chops1 | Is it possible to override the shell for all SSH users using PAM (or any other mechanism)? |
| 07:14.08 | nsadmin | fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 07:14.13 | nsadmin | oops :) |
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| 07:15.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Yep downloading build deps now. |
| 07:16.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does the number of build deps indicate how many packages Ill end up with in the end of building it all? Theres like 50. hehe |
| 07:17.13 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: no |
| 07:17.41 | nsadmin | you mean how many packages you build? no, that;s independent... it could be 50 and 1 or 1 and 50 |
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| 07:19.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | oh good |
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| 07:26.43 | artagnon | nsadmin: I'm back. It's time to start :) |
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| 07:27.11 | nsadmin | it's the time |
| 07:27.16 | nsadmin | of the seeeason |
| 07:27.18 | nsadmin | for star |
| 07:27.19 | nsadmin | ting |
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| 07:28.18 | artagnon | smiles |
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| 07:33.08 | hackel | How can I pin packages from a specific site in my apt_preferences? |
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| 07:35.04 | jelly-home | hackel: it depends, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 07:35.11 | jelly-home | hackel: which package, which site? |
| 07:35.37 | xlotlu | hackel: look in the site's Release file and see if you can find something pinnable (e.g. Origin) |
| 07:35.41 | artagnon | nsadmin: no point in tarring /proc and the like: lots of errors with 'no such file or directory', 'permission denied', 'file changed as we read it'. I doubt this kind of backup will serve the purpose |
| 07:35.56 | nsadmin | that;s what the l is for in tar |
| 07:36.06 | nsadmin | man tar, look for -l |
| 07:36.24 | jelly-home | or --one-file-system |
| 07:36.31 | artagnon | I did |
| 07:36.35 | hackel | jelly-home: Want to pin all packages from ppa.launchpad.net, which have origin LP-PPA-* (but have tried the wildcard and it doesn't work) |
| 07:37.11 | jelly-home | hackel: there is no wildcard. |
| 07:37.13 | artagnon | nsadmin: besides, when I aborted, backup.tar was 2.5G. / is less than 1G. |
| 07:37.19 | artagnon | something isn't right |
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| 07:37.29 | jelly-home | hackel: "*" by itself has a special meaning and is not a wildcard. |
| 07:37.33 | artagnon | jelly-home: I suppose I should use that. |
| 07:37.36 | nsadmin | artagnon: so the jist is, if you want to tar from /, you can add -l |
| 07:37.37 | meliowant | Hi guys. Is there any possiblity to set the module load order for precompiled modules. I need to load sound card modules before web-camera, but web-camera loads first. All modules are booting automatically. It looks like they are compiled into the kernel. |
| 07:37.41 | hackel | The apt_preferences man page says: The general form assigns a priority to all of the package versions in a given distribution (that is, to all the versions of packages that are listed in a certain Release file) or to all of the package versions coming from a particular Internet site, as identified by the site´s fully qualified domain name. |
| 07:37.43 | nsadmin | what was the command exactly? |
| 07:38.03 | hackel | I just don't see a format to enter the site's fully qualified domain name anywhere! |
| 07:38.10 | artagnon | tar cplf backup.tar . |
| 07:38.31 | nsadmin | what dir were you in at the time? |
| 07:38.46 | jelly-home | hackel: ask dpkg about pinning, and read that third-party errata page, it's very instructive (and shows pinning is full of inconsistencies) |
| 07:38.55 | Gena | Okay, I'm having some real trouble here. I have this crappy Netopia DSL gateway, and it seems to have just downloaded an update for itself which seemingly makes the firewall (which you can't turn off or administer in anyway) block all outgoing traffic coming from Pidgin. That's what it looks like to me, anyway. While I'm in here, can anyone verify if my assumptions are correct, or at least plausible? |
| 07:38.57 | artagnon | nsadmin: / |
| 07:39.09 | nsadmin | hmm. that should have worked,,, |
| 07:39.26 | nsadmin | show output of df / |
| 07:39.34 | hackel | jelly-home: thanks, I'll see what I can find. |
| 07:39.57 | artagnon | df -h /: Size is 3.7G, used: 459M |
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| 07:40.06 | artagnon | filesystem: /dev/sda5 |
| 07:40.11 | jelly-home | hackel: also, inspect the repo's Release file, and their package versions -- they might be epoch-bumped, which makes version pinning relatively useful. |
| 07:40.14 | artagnon | and mounted on: / |
| 07:40.21 | nsadmin | hmm |
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| 07:40.40 | hackel | jelly-home: I have searched, but couldn't find any commonality other than the domain name and the beginning of the release field. |
| 07:40.42 | artagnon | I think I'll proceed without backup. |
| 07:40.49 | artagnon | I don't think I have a choice. |
| 07:40.58 | nsadmin | before you do that... |
| 07:41.06 | jelly-home | hackel: I didn't know ppa had provisions to build packages for Debian |
| 07:41.11 | nsadmin | first get rid of /backup.tar |
| 07:41.19 | nsadmin | then do: |
| 07:41.20 | artagnon | I did. |
| 07:41.53 | nsadmin | oh, pick a spot to back up in |
| 07:42.02 | hackel | jelly-home: I'm not sure about that. Launchpad isn't Ubuntu-specific. But my question is about apt itself, and Debian people know more about it. :) |
| 07:42.16 | artagnon | recursively tarring itself? |
| 07:42.18 | artagnon | it shouldn't. |
| 07:42.22 | jelly-home | hackel: this isn't the apt channel, it's a debian support channel. |
| 07:42.47 | nsadmin | then do (cd / ; tar cfpl /where/you/want/backup.tar .) |
| 07:42.49 | hackel | jelly-home: Is there an apt channel I'm not aware of? |
| 07:42.56 | nsadmin | true, it shouldn't |
| 07:43.12 | jelly-home | hackel: not that I know of, sorry |
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| 07:43.42 | hackel | jelly-home: Didn't think so, this will have to do. |
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| 07:44.31 | nsadmin | oh, and who are you tarring as? |
| 07:44.43 | artagnon | root |
| 07:44.47 | artagnon | I'm in single user mode |
| 07:44.54 | nsadmin | that should do it |
| 07:45.05 | artagnon | nope, that didn't work either. 2.5G when I aborted |
| 07:45.20 | nsadmin | try adding a v |
| 07:45.39 | nsadmin | maybe you have to do it this way: |
| 07:45.40 | artagnon | to see what it's tarring |
| 07:45.40 | artagnon | good idea |
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| 07:46.09 | hackel | jelly-home: Aha, the solution was simple! "Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net" Thanks. |
| 07:46.11 | nsadmin | (cd / ; tar --one-file-system cfp /where/you/want/backup.tar .) |
| 07:46.29 | jelly-home | hackel: next time, be careful when asking about ubuntu stuff; best to reproduce an issue in Debian first. Chanops here might not be kind to these queries. |
| 07:46.51 | nsadmin | cfpv |
| 07:46.58 | jelly-home | nsadmin: --exclude /where/you/want/backup.tar ? |
| 07:47.27 | nsadmin | yeah, if it's not on / which it wouldn't make sense |
| 07:47.35 | jelly-home | whatever the correct syntax may be |
| 07:48.05 | nsadmin | I've never had good luck with excludes |
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| 07:48.50 | artagnon | Yes, that was the problem. It was going into /var |
| 07:48.56 | hackel | jelly-home: Yes I know, I wouldn't ask an ubuntu-specific question here. |
| 07:49.13 | artagnon | jelly-home: excellent! Thanks :) |
| 07:49.19 | artagnon | jelly-home: --one-file-system works perfectly |
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| 07:49.46 | nsadmin | isn't that the same as -l? |
| 07:49.52 | nsadmin | evidently not? |
| 07:49.53 | artagnon | nope |
| 07:50.07 | artagnon | see the manpage |
| 07:50.17 | nsadmin | whips the tar out of... |
| 07:50.19 | nsadmin | tar |
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| 07:50.42 | artagnon | ok, now time for some fdisk magic |
| 07:50.51 | nsadmin | no not yet |
| 07:50.57 | nsadmin | first reduce the filesystem |
| 07:51.01 | nsadmin | then the partition |
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| 07:51.07 | nsadmin | have to do it in that order |
| 07:51.18 | nsadmin | filesystem is CONTAINED IN partition |
| 07:51.28 | artagnon | I know, I know. |
| 07:51.32 | artagnon | I'm just checking |
| 07:51.33 | artagnon | and planning |
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| 07:52.10 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:52.21 | nsadmin | now reducing the filesystem will be easy |
| 07:52.24 | nsadmin | but |
| 07:52.44 | nsadmin | then you have to figure out how big the partition has to be to contain it |
| 07:53.04 | nsadmin | this is one thing I havent' done before |
| 07:53.46 | artagnon | /dev/sda1 is my /boot. /dev/sda2 is extended. sda5 is Linux. sda 3,4,6 are LVM. |
| 07:54.20 | nsadmin | where is /? |
| 07:54.31 | nsadmin | sda5>? |
| 07:54.33 | artagnon | sda5 |
| 07:54.35 | artagnon | Yes. |
| 07:54.47 | nsadmin | ok, then there are TWO partitions involved.... |
| 07:54.48 | artagnon | Hm. The on-line shrinking failed |
| 07:54.53 | nsadmin | before we try going there |
| 07:55.06 | nsadmin | what's the size of /dev/sda1 |
| 07:55.24 | artagnon | 58M/ 321M |
| 07:55.53 | artagnon | I think I'll keep the current /boot |
| 07:55.54 | artagnon | and add a GRUB entry to boot into the new installation |
| 07:56.02 | artagnon | no need to make a new /boot |
| 07:57.00 | artagnon | searches for a livecd |
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| 08:10.27 | RedTide | hi |
| 08:11.05 | RedTide | do you think to release squeeze also with a lxde choice? |
| 08:11.49 | nsadmin | , versions lxde |
| 08:11.50 | judd | lxde -- lenny: 0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5; squeeze: 0.4.2-3; lenny-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.5.0-3 |
| 08:12.11 | nsadmin | there already is such a choice |
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| 08:12.59 | nsadmin | actually since squeeze is not released yet, literally yes, they think to release with that choice |
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| 08:13.43 | nsadmin | sadly, when I try to think, nothing happens... |
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| 08:14.43 | RedTide | I mean as official iso image (other than gnome and kde ones) |
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| 08:15.09 | nsadmin | dunno |
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| 08:15.44 | nsadmin | depending on how you would install yourself, you might not think it important since you can always install from the net |
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| 08:16.14 | RedTide | I mean normal iso, not netinstall |
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| 08:16.20 | RedTide | (CD1) |
| 08:16.50 | nsadmin | the contents of cds are set by popularity-contest |
| 08:16.51 | RedTide | anyway not important, just my curiousity |
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| 08:17.05 | RedTide | ah ok I see |
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| 08:17.35 | nsadmin | lesser popularitys making it to cd5 or cd12937 |
| 08:17.47 | nsadmin | and really popular ones making it to cd1 |
| 08:17.56 | simonrvn | !popcon |
| 08:17.56 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 08:18.25 | RedTide | tnx |
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| 08:54.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | nsadmin: You still here? |
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| 08:54.31 | eviltoasterLIA | what is the command for giving a another user extra permissions to a file or folder? |
| 08:55.09 | eviltoasterLIA | i forgot ^^ |
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| 08:55.36 | sash_ | chown/chmod? |
| 08:55.44 | eviltoasterLIA | no |
| 08:55.51 | eviltoasterLIA | another one |
| 08:55.52 | eviltoasterLIA | :) |
| 08:55.56 | eviltoasterLIA | that list |
| 08:55.58 | eviltoasterLIA | thing |
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| 08:56.34 | John80 | anyone in here ever installed hippo before? |
| 08:56.48 | John80 | is it correct that you need to install Java on the debian system in order to get it working? |
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| 08:58.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | I added the squeeze sources to my system and trying to build cheese from there. The build deps wont download for some reason. |
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| 08:58.51 | nsadmin | eviltoasterLIA what about a group |
| 08:59.23 | artagnon | nsadmin: resize complete |
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| 09:00.40 | eviltoasterLIA | nsadmin, nvm changed owner... but there is a command that can put extra permissions on users... and it look like a list :) |
| 09:00.48 | eviltoasterLIA | but i forgot it <3 |
| 09:01.17 | eviltoasterLIA | i think the suse bible book talk about it :) |
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| 09:03.14 | nsadmin | eviltoasterLIA: that would be outside the unix permission structure... one thing that exists outside is ACLs |
| 09:03.22 | nsadmin | you could look into them |
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| 09:03.46 | nsadmin | artagnon cool... what's your next step? |
| 09:04.13 | eviltoasterLIA | ahh ofc thanks nsadmin |
| 09:04.39 | artagnon | nsadmin: new partition on fdisk |
| 09:04.43 | artagnon | I'm doing that right now |
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| 09:05.09 | nsadmin | remember you have to reboot for the kernel to get the new partition table |
| 09:05.24 | nsadmin | (the partition table is busy since there are mounts) |
| 09:05.35 | artagnon | yeah, I did that. |
| 09:05.46 | artagnon | oh wait |
| 09:05.50 | artagnon | I resized the filesystem |
| 09:06.10 | artagnon | but not the partition itself |
| 09:06.37 | artagnon | I need to remove and re-create that partition using fdisk. Shall I specify 1.1G to be on the safe side (filesystem is 1G) |
| 09:06.37 | rgr | exit |
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| 09:06.46 | nsadmin | oh, so that's your next step, and maybe fdisk will let you also make the new partition(s) before you reboot |
| 09:07.09 | artagnon | Right. |
| 09:07.14 | nsadmin | sure, that sounds reasonable |
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| 09:10.14 | nsadmin | make sure you move the end not the beginnint |
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| 09:12.49 | jelly | !tell John80 about install java |
| 09:13.05 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've downloaded the java runtime env, how to install the java plugin for firefox ? |
| 09:13.15 | ethanol | mornin' people! |
| 09:13.23 | rocketmagnet | moin |
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| 09:15.34 | artagnon | sorry about that... I'm back. |
| 09:15.44 | artagnon | fdisk let me make 2 new partitions |
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| 09:15.55 | artagnon | now, just w, reboot and hope for the best :) |
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| 09:17.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | rocketmagnet: apt-get install sun-java-plugin I think. |
| 09:17.33 | dark | is there an easy way of listing the packages that occupy more space? i think i have saw a command line script for this.. |
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| 09:19.21 | artagnon | oops, fsck -n /dev/sda5 failed :'( |
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| 09:22.10 | krion | hi |
| 09:22.14 | artagnon | my bad |
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| 09:22.25 | artagnon | oh, never mind. The old sda5 is the new sda6 |
| 09:22.28 | \amethyst | dark: dpkg-query -W -f '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k 1,1nr will list installed (and broken and removed-but-not-purged packages), sorted in decreasing order of size |
| 09:23.52 | dark | thank you! |
| 09:24.19 | \amethyst | dark: note that, even for removed-but-not-purged packages, that will count the full size, not just what's left |
| 09:24.57 | dark | 74220 linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686, this means the linux image is eating.. 70mb?! o.O |
| 09:25.13 | dark | also 58052 emacs23-common.. it's hard to believe |
| 09:25.45 | niklaswe | hmm has someone got this problem with rsync.. for me itś looking about a bug or somethings..rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(453) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 09:25.56 | \amethyst | dark: yes, the kernel modules alone are over 64 MiB |
| 09:26.17 | dark | o.o |
| 09:26.23 | jelly | niklaswe: what's the remote side version of rsync? |
| 09:26.34 | \amethyst | dark: those are device drivers for every device the kernel supports |
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| 09:27.08 | niklaswe | jelly: itś the same version.. |
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| 09:28.10 | dark | \amethyst, and the way of dropping unused packages will be compiling my own kernel? |
| 09:28.18 | artagnon | ok, I just mounted my new / onto /mnt/newdebian and I'm about to debootstrap on it. But before that, I need to create and mount /mnt/newdebian/{usr,var} etc. corresponding to the LVM partitions first, right? |
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| 09:28.53 | \amethyst | dark: possibly, though that means if you change hardware you'll need to recompile your kernel |
| 09:29.07 | dark | or to compile a module |
| 09:29.08 | \amethyst | dark: just how low on space are you? |
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| 09:29.37 | artagnon | The problem is that /dev/fileserver (my VG name) doesn't seem to exist in single user mode. Is LVM disabled here? |
| 09:29.48 | \amethyst | dark: 70 MiB isn't that much unless you're trying to fit it onto a CD or something |
| 09:29.58 | dark | i'm actually very comfortable now (i'm on a 8gb pendrive, but were on a livecd with just ramdisks, and then 256mb one once, and 4gb after this) |
| 09:30.24 | \amethyst | especially for a CD or pendrive, I wouldn't go removing kernel modules |
| 09:30.48 | \amethyst | since that means you'll be limiting which machines you can use it on, which more or less defeats the purpose of having it on a pendrive/CD |
| 09:31.36 | dark | that's an permanent pendrive.. more or less like a hd o.o |
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| 09:31.56 | dark | but yeah |
| 09:32.39 | nvz | I was going to do that with my ThinkPad that the HD died in, but never got around to it.. besides I use my thumbdrives too often for other things |
| 09:33.03 | nsadmin | artagnon: try vgscan |
| 09:33.07 | nvz | Been looking for someone who'd just pay me to fix it and I'd give it to em.. heh |
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| 09:37.04 | artagnon | nsadmin: wait. I have another problem to take care of first. My fstab reads that /dev/sda5 should mount on /, which is now incorrect |
| 09:37.31 | artagnon | I'm booting into a livecd to correct that, because my system itself refuses to start without making / read-only |
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| 09:38.54 | nvz | your system should always boot with / read-only.. thats a good thing. |
| 09:39.18 | nvz | nothing stops you from doing mount -o remount,rw / |
| 09:39.33 | nsadmin | you also need to update your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 09:39.48 | nvz | which /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh IIRC usually does |
| 09:40.35 | dark | artagnon, why not boot by uuid? or label |
| 09:40.49 | nsadmin | nvz: if he hand-adjusts menu.lst it should do it |
| 09:40.54 | artagnon | nvz && dark: No issues. The fstab correction fixed it |
| 09:41.01 | artagnon | I re-partitioned |
| 09:41.04 | artagnon | and it got confused |
| 09:41.10 | artagnon | I AM booting by UUID |
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| 09:41.18 | artagnon | but my fstab is flawed |
| 09:41.24 | artagnon | that was the problem |
| 09:41.28 | dark | hm |
| 09:41.38 | artagnon | my LVM partitions are also accessible now :) |
| 09:42.07 | nsadmin | so the backup is not required any longer? |
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| 09:42.35 | nsadmin | not saying erase it... but you got past the point where it's needed? |
| 09:42.41 | brbrbr | backups are always handy ;) |
| 09:43.19 | nsadmin | sure... in this case a backup of / was taken while he made a new and different / |
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| 09:45.54 | RickRocK | ange-laserieculte.com not working I try to make a virtual host someone can look to my code http://pastebin.com/BKazQWxq and tell my if i have a error |
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| 09:46.17 | nsadmin | backup /, reduce fs, reduce containing partition, make new partition from the free space, make sure / copied to one of them, and just now, adjust fstab and menu.lst |
| 09:46.48 | artagnon | I did all that. |
| 09:47.00 | artagnon | Now I'm at the debootstraping stage |
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| 09:47.06 | artagnon | I need my new /usr and /var to be on lvm |
| 09:47.20 | nvz | debootstrap? |
| 09:47.22 | artagnon | so I'm creating and mounting them on my new / before debootstraping |
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| 09:47.38 | artagnon | it's a small application to create a minimal Debian install. |
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| 09:47.43 | nvz | I know what it is |
| 09:48.02 | nvz | but if you're backing up and restoring your / then why are you bootstrapping it? |
| 09:48.20 | nsadmin | he's switching to amd64 userland |
| 09:48.25 | nvz | ah. |
| 09:48.26 | artagnon | nods |
| 09:48.36 | artagnon | that's the reason I'm going through all this in the first place |
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| 09:48.52 | nsadmin | so I suggested: make new space for it |
| 09:49.03 | artagnon | lvcreate -L 10G fileserver newusr failed though. Error: Lots of "Device left open" and "Memory leak" errors. |
| 09:49.24 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 09:49.26 | nvz | I thought about going back to AMD64.. but I should probably setup a VM or a chroot first and see if I can build this app against 64bit libraries first |
| 09:49.35 | artagnon | vgdisplay shows: Free PE Size: 22.5G |
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| 09:49.55 | nvz | its the main reason I went to 32bit, cause it runs like shit on 64bit |
| 09:50.03 | nsadmin | so the lvs weren't created? |
| 09:50.11 | artagnon | nsadmin: No. |
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| 09:50.55 | nsadmin | this is irrelevent, but howbout naming it usr64 |
| 09:51.03 | artagnon | if I have 22G of free physical extents, I should be able to make an lv of 10G from it, right? |
| 09:51.06 | artagnon | I'll try |
| 09:51.07 | artagnon | one sec |
| 09:51.16 | nvz | somehow I don't figure you can just take sources for a 32bit app and just compile them in a 64bit environment without modifying them |
| 09:51.18 | nsadmin | but that won't solve this problem |
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| 09:51.32 | nvz | and make it a 64bit app that is |
| 09:51.36 | artagnon | Same problem. |
| 09:51.49 | artagnon | nvz: which app? |
| 09:52.08 | nsadmin | I'm just suggesting the name because newfoo doesn't say anything about when it was new or especially why it exists |
| 09:52.23 | nvz | artagnon: its the emerald viewer program for various virtual world servers. Primarily SecondLife, but it works with most of the open source servers too |
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| 09:52.50 | nvz | my frame rates were less than 3fps on AMD64, they are usually over 20fps on 32bit on this box |
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| 09:53.15 | nvz | and I ruled out it just being the sim.. it was all client side lag |
| 09:53.26 | nvz | not to mention the sim was empty |
| 09:53.37 | nsadmin | artagnon maybe try a reboot? |
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| 09:53.57 | nsadmin | and/or run memtest86\~ |
| 09:54.17 | nsadmin | just to rule out any hw problems |
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| 09:54.59 | artagnon_ | I think I know what happened |
| 09:55.05 | nsadmin | if no errors, that probably rules out... cpu, mobo, ram, video and maybe any pci devices |
| 09:55.07 | nvz | the kernel has memtest86 built in now I believe. |
| 09:55.11 | artagnon_ | the repartitioning |
| 09:55.15 | artagnon_ | LVM is confused |
| 09:55.20 | artagnon_ | about which PVs are added |
| 09:55.24 | nsadmin | uhoh |
| 09:55.28 | artagnon_ | Yes. That has to be it. |
| 09:55.30 | artagnon_ | :) |
| 09:55.48 | nsadmin | do you think the partition for the pv has the correct endpoints? |
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| 09:56.55 | nsadmin | oh, you may wish to run memtest for a minute |
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| 09:57.15 | nsadmin | if no errors, that probably rules out... cpu, mobo, ram, video and maybe any pci devices |
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| 09:57.28 | nvz | feels like deja-vu |
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| 09:57.38 | artagnon | horrible horrible connection |
| 09:57.48 | artagnon | yeah, I think the extents of the PVs are screwed |
| 09:57.54 | artagnon | I have to remove and re-add them probably. |
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| 09:58.18 | artagnon | what a huge mess-up |
| 09:58.29 | nsadmin | yeah, this could be bad |
| 09:59.00 | nsadmin | is there some prog that scans a hd to find a pv? |
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| 09:59.16 | nsadmin | alternatively one that finds partitions |
| 09:59.16 | jelly | judd: info gpart |
| 09:59.19 | judd | gpart (admin, optional): Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions. Version: 0.1h-4.1; Size: 35.5k; Installed: 112k |
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| 09:59.35 | kurjus | hi, is possible to install mysql server 4.* into lenny? |
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| 09:59.40 | artagnon | I don't know |
| 09:59.51 | nvz | I was going to say that, but I didn;t know for certain that gpart would work with LVM stuff |
| 10:00.00 | nvz | gpart has saved my ass in the past though |
| 10:00.25 | artagnon | hm. I'll look into gpart then |
| 10:00.30 | artagnon | first the pvscan: |
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| 10:00.36 | themill | kurjus: no, mysql 4 is long since deaed |
| 10:00.58 | themill | kurjus: (it wasn't even in etch) |
| 10:00.59 | nsadmin | port it to postgres :P |
| 10:01.31 | kurjus | that webservice olny work under mysql 4.* |
| 10:01.38 | nsadmin | port it to postgres :P |
| 10:02.02 | nsadmin | it would take some actual work :) |
| 10:02.12 | artagnon | er wait. The pvscan output is actually correct. |
| 10:02.25 | artagnon | damn. |
| 10:02.32 | nsadmin | try vgscan |
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| 10:03.04 | artagnon | it says there's one VG: fileserver |
| 10:03.06 | artagnon | nothing much else |
| 10:03.26 | nsadmin | does it say if it's active? |
| 10:04.00 | artagnon | lvscan tells me all are active |
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| 10:04.15 | artagnon | something's not right... |
| 10:04.45 | nsadmin | so it looks like the pv did survive |
| 10:04.50 | artagnon | nods |
| 10:05.03 | artagnon | looks like lvm was smart enough to track them by UUID |
| 10:05.06 | artagnon | and not name |
| 10:05.07 | nsadmin | are you trying to put your / in an lv? |
| 10:05.12 | artagnon | no. |
| 10:05.17 | nsadmin | ok |
| 10:05.24 | nsadmin | that's good :) |
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| 10:05.34 | artagnon | I'you told me that it's a bad idea, remember? :) |
| 10:05.50 | nsadmin | well I said I didn't like it much :) |
| 10:06.24 | nsadmin | you might like it more than me, but you have plenty of space and partitions |
| 10:07.33 | nsadmin | so what's the problem now? is it still doing the mem leak message? |
| 10:07.38 | artagnon | Yeah. |
| 10:08.00 | nsadmin | ok howbout this: |
| 10:08.20 | nsadmin | make a smallish debian install in the 3g partition |
| 10:08.31 | nsadmin | amd64 |
| 10:08.44 | nsadmin | then once it's working copy it out |
| 10:08.48 | nsadmin | BUT |
| 10:08.50 | artagnon | okay... and copy? |
| 10:09.04 | nsadmin | I'm quite suspicious of this mem leak thing and how far it goes |
| 10:09.11 | artagnon | nods |
| 10:09.31 | artagnon | I'll take care of it a little later. |
| 10:09.31 | nsadmin | smart guys find out whyz |
| 10:09.37 | artagnon | I'll begin the installation now. |
| 10:10.42 | artagnon | or wait |
| 10:11.03 | artagnon | eh, no. It'll take a long time for the debootstrapping to finish. |
| 10:11.21 | artagnon | Might as well install another kernel image, point it to the new paritition and boot for now |
| 10:11.30 | artagnon | I'll take care of everything else later. |
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| 10:18.36 | John80 | anyone in here ever used Hippo CMS? |
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| 10:22.45 | nsadmin | I've only used openacs CMS and content repository |
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| 10:24.54 | dark | *** glibc detected *** aptitude: corrupted double-linked list: 0x08930440 *** during a remove, this can means some binary of my aptitude got corrupted? i saw some ext2 errors on dmesg (i'm doing it with apt-get now) |
| 10:28.12 | romgo | Hi guys I would like to make a mirror of debian cd-images for only amd64 branch how can I do that ? with the ftpsync ? |
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| 10:32.03 | ga_bash | dark, what are you trying to do |
| 10:32.17 | cire | I have an output like "abc def ghi" and want to output only second row "def". How is this done in bash? |
| 10:33.08 | rvsjoen | cut |
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| 10:33.40 | dark | ga_bash, removing some unneeded packages |
| 10:33.55 | ga_bash | dark, and what did you issue? |
| 10:34.15 | dark | aptitude autoremove wine will give a backtrace |
| 10:34.20 | ga_bash | cire, pipe it to awk '{print $2}' |
| 10:34.22 | dark | apt-get autoremove wine is working |
| 10:34.32 | ga_bash | dark, aptitude purge |
| 10:34.34 | dark | some hours ago aptitude was working o.o |
| 10:34.42 | dark | hm |
| 10:35.04 | ga_bash | uses purge to get rid of anything along with configurations |
| 10:35.43 | dark | will purge also do autoremove? |
| 10:35.51 | nvz | no |
| 10:35.58 | nvz | purge just removes config files |
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| 10:37.02 | ga_bash | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.27 | ga_bash | so not JUST config files |
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| 10:38.05 | dark | so, it would be aptitude --purge autoremove ... |
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| 10:40.27 | cire | ga_bash: thank you |
| 10:40.41 | ga_bash | cire, np. yw |
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| 10:41.55 | slicehighway | trying to do password recovery on a debian 5.04 box. I have it booted via bin/sh into a root prompt and I have remounted the root filesystem read and write. when I type passwd it says command not found |
| 10:41.57 | dark | how can i see packages that were removed but left config files? |
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| 10:42.36 | ga_bash | slicehighway, maybe your /usr/bin/ is mounted on another drive |
| 10:43.21 | ga_bash | dark, man aptitude |
| 10:43.38 | slicehighway | its either sdb1 or sdb2 |
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| 10:43.57 | ga_bash | slicehighway, how can we know that. |
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| 10:44.25 | slicehighway | from your side I dont know from mine simply type mount |
| 10:44.35 | slicehighway | or check the etc fstab |
| 10:44.36 | ga_bash | slicehighway, every side is debian side. |
| 10:44.38 | dark | ga_bash, aptitude can do that? |
| 10:44.51 | ga_bash | dark, consult the man page. I am not sure. |
| 10:45.03 | ga_bash | slicehighway, fdisk -l |
| 10:45.24 | slicehighway | roger will take a few minutes as were on sneakernet here |
| 10:45.27 | themill | dark: aptitude search ~c |
| 10:45.34 | grzybowski | hi, i am having soem issues with network-manager, i idi set nm-system-settings.conf with [ifupdown] managed=false and plugins=ifupdown, i also set s tatic ip configuration in interfaces file, but all app with uses NM says my internet is down, can someone point me int osome direction? thanks |
| 10:46.00 | themill | dark: which also means that "aptitude purge ~c" will get rid of them for you |
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| 10:46.32 | nvz | grzybowski: best direction I can point you in is remove network-manager cause its a piece of crap |
| 10:46.41 | nvz | grzybowski: if you need something like that I recommend wicd |
| 10:46.51 | nvz | which will remove network-manager when you install it |
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| 10:47.01 | grzybowski | nvz: i agree without, but my apt-get always install it again when i do a dist-upgrade |
| 10:47.05 | dark | ah, nice o.o thank you |
| 10:47.14 | grzybowski | *agree with you |
| 10:47.17 | nvz | grzybowski: not if you install wicd cause they conflict |
| 10:47.37 | grzybowski | nvz: oh, ok, great, i love wicd anyway, thanks |
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| 10:48.33 | powal | Get this msg when i try to upgrade. "A non-dpkg owned copy of the libc6-i686 package was found. |
| 10:48.35 | powal | I0 is not safe to upgrade the C library in this situation; |
| 10:48.36 | powal | please remove that copy of the C library and try again." |
| 10:48.38 | powal | But when i try to remove it, it is reported as uninstalled. Where's the problem? |
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| 10:50.18 | slicehighway | thanks all it worked o and o |
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| 10:51.03 | arl | hi @all |
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| 10:55.01 | artagnon | Done. I've got my brand new 64-bit userland |
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| 10:55.12 | nvz | woot |
| 10:55.17 | artagnon | but there's a problem; I can't chroot into it from my 32-bit userland :| |
| 10:55.31 | artagnon | so I can't even set the root password! |
| 10:55.56 | artagnon | I guess I should just boot into it and see what happens :p |
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| 10:56.57 | artagnon | nsadmin && nvz: Thanks a ton for all your help! |
| 10:57.13 | artagnon | Just in case I forget to thank you after booting into my new system :p |
| 10:57.22 | nsadmin | you have to boot into it I suppose |
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| 10:57.38 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 10:57.47 | artagnon | Yeah, I'm getting a 64-bit kernel image and adjusting menu.lst first |
| 10:57.59 | artagnon | I wonder if it'll ask me for a root password though |
| 10:58.10 | artagnon | I've never actually booted into a system without chrooting into it first |
| 10:58.41 | nsadmin | you could run a 64b kernel for your 32b userland |
| 10:58.47 | nsadmin | maybe then you could chroot in |
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| 10:59.12 | arl | how do you manage your configfiles on servers? |
| 10:59.18 | nsadmin | sure you have... by installing :) |
| 10:59.36 | artagnon | yes, I can run a 64-bit kernel in my 32-bit userland. Okay, I'll try that if it asks me for a password I don't know |
| 10:59.38 | arl | are you using something liek subversion or git? |
| 11:00.17 | nsadmin | I don't understand git yet |
| 11:00.35 | artagnon | how do I find out the UUID of my partition? |
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| 11:00.57 | nsadmin | ls -d /dev/disk |
| 11:01.07 | artagnon | ah, thanks :) |
| 11:01.25 | Blackdesign | Anyone here who knows how I can only allow a certain extension to be uploaded with ProFTPD? |
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| 11:03.30 | artagnon | nsadmin: er, I don't know what is what |
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| 11:07.04 | nsadmin | what do you see in that command? |
| 11:07.19 | nsadmin | you should see by-* |
| 11:07.41 | artagnon | yes, I do |
| 11:07.48 | artagnon | by-uuid has several files |
| 11:07.55 | nsadmin | ok, cd in there |
| 11:08.05 | nsadmin | what kind of files are in there? |
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| 11:09.49 | artagnon | slaps his forehead |
| 11:09.53 | artagnon | Symbolic links |
| 11:10.01 | artagnon | ofcourse. Got it. Thanks :) |
| 11:10.03 | nsadmin | to? :) |
| 11:10.31 | nsadmin | cool :) |
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| 11:10.33 | AlexAnteMachina | hi |
| 11:12.03 | AlexAnteMachina | I'm looking for a solution to grab output from one application and immediately use it as Input to another application. |
| 11:12.05 | nsadmin | hey... who slapped my forehead?! |
| 11:12.26 | AlexAnteMachina | Does anybody know of such software? |
| 11:12.31 | nkuttler | AlexAnteMachina: foo | bar |
| 11:12.39 | AlexAnteMachina | huh? |
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| 11:12.56 | nsadmin | AlexAnteMachina: it's basic unix shell lingo |
| 11:13.10 | AlexAnteMachina | nkuttler, sorry, but i did not get that |
| 11:13.13 | nsadmin | you can make pretty complex plumbing |
| 11:13.19 | nsadmin | try this: |
| 11:13.25 | nsadmin | jive |
| 11:13.33 | bluest0ne | how do I enable the webbrowsers to run javascript automatically - by default debian has this turned off |
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| 11:14.04 | nkuttler | AlexAnteMachina: man bash, see pipelines |
| 11:14.21 | jelly | bluest0ne: uh, which browser has js disabled by default? It's not Iceweasel. |
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| 11:14.47 | nvz | I use JS daily in chrome and IW and I've never done anything to turn it on |
| 11:14.59 | jelly | off*, you mean |
| 11:15.05 | jelly | oh, on |
| 11:15.11 | jelly | misreads |
| 11:15.20 | AlexAnteMachina | well, nkuttler I'm not into coding.... yet. Just have a problem trying to get solved. |
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| 11:15.35 | bluest0ne | iceweasel has a huge play button which you must click to run js - I wanted to take this off |
| 11:16.06 | nvz | bluest0ne: what version of iceweasel are you running? |
| 11:16.25 | nkuttler | AlexAnteMachina: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipeline_(Unix) |
| 11:16.27 | artagnon | scratches his head |
| 11:16.31 | jelly | bluest0ne: that sounds like works of an addon/extension you installed |
| 11:16.35 | nsadmin | AlexAnteMachina: becareful... it kinda sounds like what you just said is: "I am not interested in learning myself, just give me the answer" to which I might reply... I might -sell- you the answer |
| 11:16.45 | nvz | yes there are extensions to do that |
| 11:16.47 | artagnon | /dev/sda7 seems to be empty now! What the hell happened to my debootstrap |
| 11:16.55 | artagnon | scrolls up his shell history |
| 11:17.04 | jelly | bluest0ne: do you have FlashBlock or NoScript extensions installed? |
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| 11:17.15 | themill | AlexAnteMachina: you might like to learn how to drive your shell a little more so you can do things more easily. /msg dpkg general cli tutorial |
| 11:17.21 | bluest0ne | iceweasel is version 3.06 debian is 5.04 |
| 11:17.44 | bluest0ne | fresh install - I dont see those extentsions listed in the menu looking under about:config |
| 11:18.27 | jelly | bluest0ne: Tools -> Addons -> Extensions? |
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| 11:18.52 | bluest0ne | negative jelly |
| 11:19.08 | nsadmin | -jelly? |
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| 11:22.06 | jelly | bluest0ne: http://www.tanglewood.net/du/JavaScriptTest.htm ? |
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| 11:25.51 | MrWax | Is it somehow possible to have ASP.NET CMS applications work on a debian webserver, is there some plugin or way? |
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| 11:27.27 | jiajia | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.48 | AlexAnteMachina | der, die, das |
| 11:28.03 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
| 11:28.09 | nsadmin | done dirt cheap? |
| 11:28.17 | themill | MrWax: apt-cache search asp.net |
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| 11:29.30 | jiajia | guys i need help |
| 11:29.58 | jiajia | i just install debian and can anyone teach me how to make my wireless indicator on |
| 11:30.50 | artagnon | damn it. Kernel panic. |
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| 11:31.38 | jiajia | artagnon: what is my problem |
| 11:32.26 | artagnon | jiajia: No idea. |
| 11:32.37 | meyering | hi, anyone know who to ask about trouble with lists.alioth.d.o's mailman set-up? It elides everything before the "From " of an embedded git format-patch style patch. E.g., I sent this, http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/parted-devel/2010-February/003430.html but the original contained 50 lines of body text before the patch you see there. None of that is archived. |
| 11:32.44 | jiajia | i mean both laptop indicator is off |
| 11:33.09 | azeem | meyering: one sec |
| 11:33.35 | jiajia | i really need help thankx |
| 11:33.57 | jiajia | i just install the debian , and both laptop wlan indicator is off |
| 11:34.09 | azeem | meyering: please ask in #alioth on irc.debian.org |
| 11:34.17 | meyering | azeem: will do. thx |
| 11:34.42 | azeem | cheers |
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| 11:35.04 | jiajia | i think that is a simple question for u pros |
| 11:35.11 | artagnon | is something wrong with .32 kernel image? Even my current userland (which boots with .30) raises a kernel panic with .32. |
| 11:36.09 | jiajia | how can i deal with it man |
| 11:36.15 | Coudy | HI, I want to install Debian Lenny over network, but I need boot kernel 2.6.30 and above, because old kernel don't know my sata raid. Is there way how to do it ? |
| 11:36.18 | jiajia | the kernel panic |
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| 11:36.41 | mischief | can someone tell me how to install the fglrx driver |
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| 11:37.30 | azeem | btw, meyering wrote "cp" |
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| 11:41.09 | artagnon | slaps himself for his typo in grub.cfg |
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| 11:47.16 | artagnon | Right. I'm atleast able to chroot now :) |
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| 11:49.05 | artagnon | 64-bit kernel can boot (and chroot) into both 32-bit and 64-bit userland. That's something I didn't know nsadmin |
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| 11:50.52 | mne | Hi, I would like to use courier authdaemon together with maildrop. However, as the whole mail system (including maildrop) runs as vmail user the courier authdaemon socket is not accessible as courier authdaemon runs as root user :((( I found a solution that says that one needs to RECOMPILE courier authdaemon with "--with-mailuser" ??? I will certainly NOT use custom build on a production system ... Is there any other possibility ? Just setting the permissions |
| 11:50.53 | mne | on the socket is definitely not the solution I'm looking for .. |
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| 11:51.55 | Coudy | HI, I want to install Debian Lenny over network, but I need boot kernel 2.6.30 and above, because old kernel don't know my sata raid. Is there way how to do it ? |
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| 11:53.25 | Stereo | Coudy: get kmuto's install cd |
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| 11:53.55 | Coudy | Stereo, do you have link ? |
| 11:53.58 | Stereo | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 11:55.05 | Coudy | Stereo, THX |
| 11:55.18 | nsadmin | also you will want to read the install guide |
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| 11:55.39 | sime | How can i find Debian's VCS for tokyotyrant? |
| 11:55.41 | nsadmin | and probably back up |
| 11:56.41 | artagnon | nsadmin: successfully booted. Now performing an apt-get update :) |
| 11:56.55 | nsadmin | awesome |
| 11:57.31 | nsadmin | did you find out what the mem leak thing was? |
| 11:57.31 | mischief | how can i change the console resolution |
| 11:57.57 | nsadmin | add to kernel command line: vga=ask |
| 11:58.07 | nsadmin | then reboot |
| 11:58.12 | mischief | i thought that was depreciated |
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| 11:58.26 | nsadmin | oh it might be |
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| 11:58.50 | nsadmin | I was using it in like 94 |
| 11:59.34 | mischief | lol |
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| 12:00.09 | nsadmin | who knows, it might still be there |
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| 12:02.39 | artagnon | nsadmin: no, not yet. |
| 12:02.53 | artagnon | I'm yet to see if the problem even persists |
| 12:03.15 | nsadmin | but are your lvs mounted? |
| 12:03.20 | artagnon | Yes :) |
| 12:03.29 | nsadmin | and these are new ones? |
| 12:04.03 | artagnon | Um, no. I have to create new ones. First, I need to get lvm2 for my 64-bit userland |
| 12:04.05 | artagnon | downloading now |
| 12:04.12 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 12:04.25 | nsadmin | so you're still on the single partition |
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| 12:04.42 | artagnon | Yeah. |
| 12:05.09 | nsadmin | and let's see, so you booted into the 64b kernel with the original 32b userland and did a chroot? |
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| 12:06.07 | artagnon | nsadmin: Yes. I'm currently booted into the 64-bit userland directly |
| 12:06.30 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you were able to grub into it |
| 12:06.36 | artagnon | Yes :) |
| 12:06.38 | artagnon | Damn it! |
| 12:06.42 | artagnon | Same memory leak problem |
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| 12:07.21 | artagnon | I'll ask on #lvm too |
| 12:07.35 | nsadmin | this also happens when you try to make the lv from your original system? |
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| 12:08.15 | artagnon | Yes. |
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| 12:08.48 | nsadmin | hmm. the only thing I see in common is the pv |
| 12:09.15 | artagnon | But I didn't touch any of the LVM PVs |
| 12:09.27 | artagnon | if LVM tracks by UUID, then nothing should have changed |
| 12:09.46 | nsadmin | well lvm scans for pvs |
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| 12:10.19 | artagnon | nsadmin: I forgot -n! |
| 12:10.30 | artagnon | LVM2 is really holed! :'( |
| 12:10.41 | nsadmin | -n? |
| 12:10.55 | artagnon | for "name" apparently |
| 12:11.03 | artagnon | bangs his forehead against a wall |
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| 12:11.35 | nsadmin | so it's damaged because of that? or it's just somethign you forgot? |
| 12:11.55 | artagnon | no! lvm is misbehaving. The disks are perfectly fine |
| 12:12.15 | artagnon | lvm is just giving a huge erronous error because I missed -n while specifying the name |
| 12:12.44 | nsadmin | I hate remembering stuff like big lists of parameters... |
| 12:12.52 | artagnon | see the manpage |
| 12:12.55 | artagnon | I know |
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| 12:13.10 | artagnon | the last parameter is PATH apparently |
| 12:13.35 | nsadmin | right, but you can also run (example) lvcreate with no params |
| 12:14.04 | artagnon | nods |
| 12:14.05 | artagnon | this is silly |
| 12:14.10 | artagnon | anyway, I'm off to get some tea |
| 12:14.11 | nsadmin | which is what I do every time... I do not want to have to remember :) |
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| 12:14.19 | artagnon | :D |
| 12:14.21 | artagnon | lesson learnt |
| 12:14.24 | nsadmin | so, it's working? |
| 12:14.28 | artagnon | Yep |
| 12:14.30 | artagnon | perfectly |
| 12:14.32 | artagnon | as expected |
| 12:14.34 | nsadmin | awesome |
| 12:14.40 | artagnon | Thanks SO much :) |
| 12:14.54 | artagnon | I couldn't have done it without help from this channel |
| 12:15.17 | artagnon | I'll get some tea and come back in about half an hour |
| 12:15.23 | artagnon | waves |
| 12:15.33 | nsadmin | I'll be long since crashed :) |
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| 12:19.24 | nsadmin | actually... you found much of the info on your own incl the last thing... I had no idea how you were invoking it |
| 12:20.18 | lcb | hi. on a testing/squeeze cd install i bypassed network detecting and configuration. i would like now (after installing some cards) to go back to that stage. how can i do that? |
| 12:21.05 | nsadmin | at this point you should just make sure you have the net card detected and then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:21.48 | frido | hello, has debian any package which contain dialog utility for disk configuring (HDD, MD, LVM ..) as is in debian installer ? |
| 12:21.50 | lcb | nsadmin, i had no cards on time of basic installation |
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| 12:22.18 | nsadmin | run lspci -nn and find the line that describes your card, show it here |
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| 12:23.01 | lcb | nsadmin, so there is no graphic util for that? because i have 3 cards installed for some testing |
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| 12:23.49 | cire | I am trying "echo linux-source-2.6 purge| dpkg --set-selections", but nothing changes when watching dpkg -l. ATM its status is "un". |
| 12:24.29 | cire | dpkg --get-selections doesn't show the packages at all... |
| 12:24.29 | dpkg | cire: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:24.30 | lcb | nsadmin, i would like to put together a gateway for a wireless and wired network, that's why. |
| 12:25.40 | nsadmin | hmm. I can't stay up that long |
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| 12:26.19 | nsadmin | show me one of the lines from lspci -nn |
| 12:26.28 | lcb | nsadmin, nooo.. i would do that. my only issue now is detecting and put the internet working :) |
| 12:26.46 | lcb | ok |
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| 12:27.00 | nsadmin | btw the package "ipmasq" might be of interest to you |
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| 12:27.30 | nsadmin | I'll just show you this one thing and I'm crashing after that |
| 12:28.02 | lcb | nsadmin, ok, i will try. pasting all lspci to here as you might imagine.. without the network set... is a bit hard |
| 12:28.10 | rvsjoen | ipmasq ? is that still alive ? |
| 12:28.12 | nsadmin | no, NOT ALL |
| 12:28.16 | nsadmin | just one line |
| 12:28.27 | nsadmin | and lspci -nn |
| 12:28.47 | nsadmin | find a line that describes one of your net devices |
| 12:28.49 | nkuttler | nexuiz |
| 12:28.54 | lcb | nsadmin, gives me about 20 lines (3 cards) |
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| 12:29.13 | rvsjoen | lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet |
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| 12:30.12 | nsadmin | rvsjoen: I hope so! that thing fukin rocks! |
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| 12:30.36 | lcb | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.58 | nsadmin | configure interfaces, install ipmasq, instant gateway |
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| 12:31.23 | lcb | ok |
| 12:31.52 | nsadmin | just saying, it might be of interest to you |
| 12:31.54 | Draggin | Can anyone tell me how on earth I manage to create a disc to install Debian from? I have no idea what all these weird files are for... |
| 12:32.14 | Draggin | Also - Is it possible to just upgrade Etch to Lenny? |
| 12:32.26 | nsadmin | yes |
| 12:32.36 | nsadmin | in fact that's a better choice than reinstalling |
| 12:32.44 | nsadmin | you will not need media to do that |
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| 12:32.50 | hyperutz | hello, i have a question regarding quota, is it possibile that user X to have 2 separate quota limits on two separe directories which he owns ? |
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| 12:33.53 | nvz | its possible that a goat loves a badger, its just not real practical. |
| 12:34.07 | Draggin | nsadmin - okay, how do I go about doing it then, because apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't do it - just keeps complaining that the kernel I'm trying to install is the same one that's already installed... |
| 12:34.41 | nsadmin | what kernel do you have? |
| 12:34.46 | lcb | nsadmin, rvsjoen: all 3 cards are detected as ethernet controller (0200): realtek semiconductor .... rtl-8139/8139c/8139c+ (10ec:8139) (rec 10) . i know, it will be tricky but as soon as i can get one network up i'll handle it. i did it before. |
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| 12:35.01 | rvsjoen | dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:35.01 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
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| 12:35.23 | nsadmin | lcb ok, watch this: see this part: (10ec:8139)? |
| 12:35.31 | lcb | yes |
| 12:35.41 | nsadmin | it came from the line you just pasted, rigth? |
| 12:35.42 | lcb | nsadmin, yes |
| 12:35.50 | lcb | yes |
| 12:35.57 | nsadmin | watch: |
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| 12:36.11 | Draggin | nsadmin - Shucks, I really can't remember what kernel it was running... 2.6.18 something perhaps... |
| 12:36.19 | nsadmin | judd: pciid 10ec:8139 |
| 12:36.21 | judd | [10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139 |
| 12:37.42 | nsadmin | judd has replied with the device string, the modules needed, and a link to check on k. muto's site |
| 12:37.45 | joel_ | In case that you have to install a Debian machine with software RAID, would you put only a single RAID volume and LVM on it, or create several RAID volumes and then LVM on them? |
| 12:38.46 | nvz | hyperutz: in all seriousness though, goats and badgers aside.. you probably want to group quota in one case or the other. |
| 12:39.11 | lcb | nsadmin, ok, i'll try. thanks :) |
| 12:40.12 | nsadmin | ok, /me is out |
| 12:41.11 | lcb | nsadmin, done. thanks a lot |
| 12:41.19 | MrWax | themill: i couldn't find anything |
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| 12:41.40 | MrWax | any thing logic that i should use to get ASP.NET pages working with apache2 on linux |
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| 12:44.53 | Draggin | Okay either way, regardless of whether it's easier to upgrade than reinstall, how does one create a installer disc if I wanted to give it to a friend? |
| 12:45.46 | rvsjoen | what do you mean by installer disc, the netinstall cd is not sufficient ? |
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| 12:53.38 | MrWax | iF mono-apache-server2 1.9.1-3 ASP.NET backend for mod_mono2 Apache module |
| 12:53.41 | MrWax | what does this mean? iF? |
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| 12:55.31 | omid8bimo | just started my twitter after nearly a year |
| 12:55.41 | omid8bimo | following Debian on twitter |
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| 12:56.58 | nvz | MrWax: I think that means its installed but failed to configure |
| 12:57.17 | MrWax | nvz: any idea what I should do to fix? |
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| 12:57.24 | Scorpion | hello |
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| 12:57.46 | nvz | MrWax: dpkg-reconfigure mono-apache-server2 if thats the case |
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| 12:57.56 | nvz | MrWax: I'm not 100% certain thats the case though |
| 12:58.00 | MrWax | nvz: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mono-apache-server2 is broken or not fully installed |
| 12:58.13 | vargadanis | hi to all! How do I decrease the TTY number (virtual terminals)? in the inittab file? and then how do I make the changes live? I hope these question make sense O_o |
| 12:58.14 | MrWax | just remove and reinstall? |
| 12:58.37 | nvz | MrWax: could be worth a try I suppose. So could checking the BTS |
| 12:58.42 | jelly | MrWax: dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:59.06 | nvz | jelly: do you know if I was right about the iF status? |
| 12:59.10 | MrWax | jelly: thanks that did it |
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| 12:59.26 | jelly | nvz: dunno, read the first few lines of dpkg -l ;-) |
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| 13:00.27 | nvz | jelly: I read http://oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/appc_03.html haha.. just wasn't certain as I don't recall ever seeing that before either |
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| 13:01.21 | jelly | nvz: I just remember there's a short explanation in dpkg -l header |
| 13:01.53 | nvz | jelly: yep. in any case being that your solution works I guess that confirms. |
| 13:02.54 | jelly | aye |
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| 13:04.35 | themill | MrWax: where did this package come from? |
| 13:05.43 | nvz | prints out the "Supporing a resolved issue" award of the day for themill |
| 13:05.46 | nvz | :-P |
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| 13:06.19 | themill | nvz: except that it shouldn't have failed to configure in the first place |
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| 13:06.38 | MrWax | themill: how do you mean? apt-get? |
| 13:06.50 | vargadanis | I am trying to decrease the default memory usage of debian. I have noticed that ACPI is using quite a bit. I am wondering what would happen if I removed the module and I disabled the ACPID? |
| 13:06.53 | MrWax | themill: I need to install ASP.NET support for my linux apache server |
| 13:06.58 | vargadanis | would the system still be functional? |
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| 13:07.12 | nvz | themill: true, it is the version found in stable |
| 13:07.23 | themill | MrWax: well, earlier you told me that "apt-cache search asp.net" gave you no results, and now you have installed a package that failed to configure properly. That normally implies something is wrong. |
| 13:07.46 | MrWax | themill: it is configured well |
| 13:08.06 | MrWax | themill: the package was installed ok |
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| 13:08.18 | MrWax | themill: any idea what more i need to do to run asp.net pages well |
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| 13:09.49 | themill | MrWax: I'd do two things at this stage... read the package description of the packge you just installed, and the README.Debian file of the package you just installed... |
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| 13:11.42 | MrWax | themill: where can I find the README.Debian file? |
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| 13:13.07 | nvz | anyone know of a command I can issue to turn my monitor off via dpms or something? |
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| 13:14.56 | nvz | got a shitty emachines monitor on this box and the button sinks in and gets stuck.. so I can't very easily turn it on/off without taking it apart. I've been just putting the machine in suspend when I wanna turn it off.. haha |
| 13:15.33 | nkuttler | nvz: i think xset |
| 13:17.05 | nvz | hmm I didn't know it could do that. I knew it could turn on and off the dpms features |
| 13:17.21 | nvz | xset dpms force off works though |
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| 13:17.44 | themill | MrWax: in the usual place: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ |
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| 13:19.25 | Draggin | rvsjoen - No, I need an installer for someone whose computer doesn't have Internet access |
| 13:21.05 | outlaw84 | I am having problems with my ssh server on a newly installed machine, I installed it with debian testing. I have now downgraded openssh-server to stable (1:5.1p1-5) but I am still experianing problem with "Write failed: Broken pipe ". My ssh session keeps disconnecting while I am working with them, and for a while after that I can't reconnect due to a "WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!" message claiming that host key has changed! If I retry a |
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| 13:22.01 | jelly | outlaw84: this sounds as if something is messing with either the remote machine, or the network traffic |
| 13:22.42 | jelly | outlaw84: it could also mean there is more than one machine configured with the same IP address |
| 13:23.24 | outlaw84 | jelly: the second one sound intreseting, do you have any suggestion of how I could find that out? |
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| 13:24.47 | outlaw84 | jelly: I guess I could try moving the IP of the server that is giving me problems, I'll try that and see how it goes, thanks! |
| 13:24.53 | chaochao | &wub 12 |
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| 13:26.56 | linduxed | ive got two 1.5TB drives that ill want to dedicate to storage |
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| 13:27.27 | linduxed | ill have multiple users that will use that storage, and i will need to split it up in some way because of that |
| 13:27.52 | linduxed | first of all, is lvm the way to go for multiple user storage? |
| 13:27.53 | MrWax | Anyone here ever used asp.net on linux? |
| 13:27.59 | MrWax | themill: You ever got it working? |
| 13:28.15 | linduxed | also, what filesys should i use on those drives? |
| 13:28.23 | jelly | outlaw84: well. ifupdown-extra package has a script /etc/network/if-up.d/10check-duplicate-ip but I don't know how usable it is |
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| 13:30.06 | MrWax | jelly: you ever configured aspx support for apache2/debian? |
| 13:30.45 | outlaw84 | jelly: It was a duplicate, I nmapped the IP before and after changin it on the new machine, thanks again! |
| 13:30.54 | rgr | anyone tell me why suddenly collectd (never heard of it before) is stelaing 25% of my CPU?!? What has triggered it? |
| 13:31.13 | hyperutz | i have a directory and i want to be readonly for everybody and only 2 users to be allowed to write in it, how can i do that? |
| 13:31.27 | outlaw84 | hyperutz: with group |
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| 13:32.06 | outlaw84 | hyperutz: add the user into a group then chown th directory with 'chown :<group>' |
| 13:32.39 | rgr | and then write permissions for that group. |
| 13:32.54 | outlaw84 | hyperutz: and later 'chmod o-w', 'chmod g+rw' |
| 13:33.02 | rgr | thinks that he must read up ACLs too. |
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| 13:35.23 | hyperutz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:35.30 | hyperutz | sorry |
| 13:35.40 | hyperutz | won;t happen again |
| 13:35.50 | hyperutz | outlaw84 like that |
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| 13:36.12 | MariusKarthaus | Hi I need to know what kernel config was used for the netboot image of the debian installer. But I cannot find it nor is it available from ikconfig. Does anyone know where I can find it ? |
| 13:36.14 | hyperutz | and i;ve added the users that i want to write at group "kit" |
| 13:36.16 | outlaw84 | hyperutz: I do not know where you got that, run 'ls -lah' |
| 13:36.49 | hyperutz | drwxrwx--- 2 kit kit 4.0K 2010-03-01 15:15 kit |
| 13:37.41 | outlaw84 | hyperutz: run 'chmod o+rx' than means add(+) read(r) and execute/list(x) for o(others) |
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| 13:39.28 | hyperutz | done |
| 13:39.43 | outlaw84 | hyperutz: I might add that it is bad pratice to have a shared directory in "home" |
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| 13:40.59 | hyperutz | i cannot write... |
| 13:41.19 | hyperutz | when i access the share from a win pc |
| 13:41.20 | Stereo | outlaw84: why is it bad practice? |
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| 13:42.38 | vargadanis | I'd like to set up rsyslogd to log things traditionally into files in /var/log without remote loggin features and so on.. could someone help me do that? |
| 13:42.42 | nkuttler | MariusKarthaus: try #debian-boot at oftc |
| 13:42.58 | vargadanis | unfortunately I don't have much experience in that field so any kickstart would be helpful |
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| 13:43.27 | outlaw84 | Stereo: you got /usr/share/ for that kind of things |
| 13:43.55 | outlaw84 | Stereo: but you know it's not writen in stone which directories you are allowed to use/create :) |
| 13:43.59 | rdz | hi all. will i gain some disk performance by separating /usr and /home /var directories into their own partitions? this is on a laptop |
| 13:44.14 | outlaw84 | rdz: I would say no |
| 13:44.48 | Stereo | outlaw84: I'd find /home/shared cleaner |
| 13:45.13 | Stereo | /usr/share is full of stuff I'd rather not mess up |
| 13:45.24 | outlaw84 | rdz: I usually put /tmp and /var on separate partitions to prevent them from filling up the system with junk |
| 13:46.28 | outlaw84 | Stereo: personally I use /mnt/<disk> because most of the time you have shared data on its own partition |
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| 13:48.55 | rdz | outlaw84, I am primarily interested in faster writing/reading speeds... but thanks for your hints |
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| 13:49.45 | Stereo | I like /srv |
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| 13:54.19 | Nurbs | rdz: I don't think that you will see any noticeable differences in most scenarios. Having only one partitions means that fragmentation is less likely because more space is available and only one journalling log needs to be written. You can mount with noatime, but that will probably not make much of a difference either... |
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| 13:56.42 | outlaw84 | rdz: get an SSD ;) I got an Intel SSD it's super fast ;) |
| 13:57.38 | rdz | Nurbs, the reason I asked was this: assuming all the system is on the first (small) partition, the head only needs scanning a small portion of the disk (where the first partition is located), so that this setup would make booting faster.. but that is just a thought, i don't have any empirical indicated |
| 13:58.40 | rdz | outlaw84, that is the reason i asked as well: shall i buy an SSd instead? aren't there mixed-disk, where i could store the system stuff on the SSD-part for fast random access and the rest on a conventional harddrive? |
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| 14:03.18 | Nurbs | rdz: There are some projects for read-ahead which try to read files most efficiently into the cache during the boot sequence. Those might help, too (even with SSDs). I don't boot often enough to care... |
| 14:04.20 | tdn | Hi. I just installed openldap on my Debian Lenny system. Then I tried loading an ldif (http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1490.html) with the command ldapadd -f sogo.ldif -x -w ********* -D cn=Manager,dc=sikkerhed,dc=org, but I get the error: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49). What am I doing wrong? The password given should be correct. |
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| 14:07.22 | [Jasper] | hej guys, cananyonehere tell mehow I can decide the number of sockets my system can support? |
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| 14:10.01 | smartbhai | [Jasper], : It depends on your kernel afaik |
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| 14:14.35 | tdn | [Jasper], ulimit -a ? |
| 14:14.47 | wols | rdz: it is faster. applies to any disk. google for "short stroking" |
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| 14:16.09 | wols | tdn: ulimit only shows max open files per process |
| 14:16.11 | rdz | wols, interesting! thank. |
| 14:16.37 | wols | dunno if there is a limit over all. the kernel might just allocate more memory. so if you have enough memory: unlimited |
| 14:17.11 | tdn | wols, ok. |
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| 14:38.47 | JosephM | how do I ask the bot how to upgrade to sid, I am running lenny now |
| 14:39.12 | wols | let's put it this way: if you have to ask... |
| 14:39.52 | wols | but: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:40.34 | abrotman | JosephM: please don't move your machine to unstable |
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| 14:40.58 | JosephM | ok, but squeeze is 'testing' right? |
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| 14:44.09 | SerajewelKS | JosephM: yes, and sid is unstable, which is not suitable for everyday use, unless you are a debian packager and are packaging things |
| 14:44.25 | SerajewelKS | !ops Cascade- |
| 14:44.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: serajewelks complains about: Cascade- |
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| 14:44.30 | gothenburg | tjöta |
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| 14:44.43 | SerajewelKS | !beer LoRez |
| 14:44.43 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for LoRez |
| 14:44.51 | gothenburg | :D |
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| 14:46.58 | niklaswe | if I will use robots.txt on my jboss-server where will i put my robots.txt then?.. the server doesn't use any apache-front.. |
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| 14:48.42 | petemc | niklaswe: anywhere that if some looks for yoursite.com/robots.txt they find it |
| 14:48.54 | petemc | s/some/someone/ |
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| 14:50.33 | niklaswe | petemc: so i can put that in jboss/work/ ? |
| 14:50.46 | petemc | i know nothing about jboss |
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| 14:51.03 | christianp | hi all |
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| 14:51.51 | christianp | problems with fglrx-driver in my debian sid |
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| 14:52.20 | gothenburg | christianp: aha? |
| 14:52.31 | christianp | i try to install it from non-free repos, but i have: fglrx-driver: Dipende: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.4+1) |
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| 14:52.36 | christianp | gothenburg, what? |
| 14:52.37 | gothenburg | christianp: my car is broken, what is the problem? |
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| 14:52.55 | christianp | gothenburg, sorry, i was writing :) |
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| 14:53.12 | gothenburg | but what is the problem? |
| 14:53.37 | christianp | it depends from xserver-xorg > 1.7 but i have no xserver-xorg > 1.7 in sid |
| 14:53.38 | christianp | :) |
| 14:53.55 | rvsjoen | christianp: it is broken |
| 14:54.10 | rvsjoen | christianp: fglrx does not yet work against xorg 1.7 |
| 14:54.37 | christianp | rvsjoen, so is there another package i can use to make my video card faster? |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | christianp: this is part of using sid/unstable .. things break, if you don't want that to happen, use stable |
| 14:54.56 | christianp | -display |
| 14:54.57 | christianp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.57 | christianp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.58 | rvsjoen | what driver are you using now ? |
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| 14:55.26 | rvsjoen | christianp: fyi, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564444 |
| 14:55.30 | christianp | i don't know, it's the default one from sid |
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| 14:56.30 | rvsjoen | the open source radeon driver works fine, at leat for me, if you provide it with the firmware |
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| 14:57.14 | christianp | rvsjoen, is there a pacckage in the repository? |
| 14:57.21 | christianp | *package |
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| 14:57.33 | rvsjoen | xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 14:57.40 | jelly | rvsjoen: and by fine you mean no artifacts and switchnig to-fro vt and 3D/compiz works? |
| 14:57.45 | abrotman | he probably already has that installed |
| 14:57.49 | rvsjoen | jelly: yup |
| 14:58.05 | jelly | nice |
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| 14:58.17 | christianp | abrotman, yes :( |
| 14:58.20 | chops1 | Does anyone know how to use mysqlclient to save a BLOB to a file? |
| 14:58.40 | christianp | it's installed, but wen i scroll a page it take me a lot of time |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | christianp: and your xorg.conf |
| 14:58.57 | christianp | wait, i paste it somewhere |
| 14:59.12 | rvsjoen | firmware-linux-nonfree holds the firmware for the RV620 (I think( |
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| 15:00.50 | christianp | rvsjoen, my xserver.xorg id empty :S |
| 15:00.59 | christianp | xorg.conf |
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| 15:06.22 | wols | christianp: check your Xorg log what driver it uses |
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| 15:09.43 | christianp | wols, this is my xorg log: http://pastebin.com/4DkPGv12 |
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| 15:10.35 | wols | (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initialization failed |
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| 15:10.54 | wols | so do what you've been told |
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| 15:23.09 | smhar | greetings |
| 15:23.36 | smhar | is it possible to run quanta plus on debian squeeze? how? |
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| 15:26.37 | rvsjoen | lvm howto |
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| 15:26.54 | rvsjoen | ask google ;-) |
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| 15:27.25 | chops1 | Anyone know a way to override every user's shell for an ssh server (either through sshd configuration or through PAM) to make it a super-restricted server? |
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| 15:31.01 | titan8990 | chops1: you could just make the user's default shell /sbin/nologin |
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| 15:31.30 | chops1 | titan8990: Yes, but I need to do this for every user logging into a certain sshd server (without affecting users' logins to a different sshd server) |
| 15:31.41 | chops1 | (Both sshd servers running on the same machine, on different ports) |
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| 15:32.20 | titan8990 | chops1: not sure I understand the purpose to two sshds |
| 15:32.25 | ernst | hi, can you tell apt-get/dpkg not to use curses when configuring packages? |
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| 15:33.44 | chops1 | titan8990: One is for rsync over ssh authenticating against LDAP. The other is for unrestricted ssh for system users. The rsync one is going to be allowing much less trusted users to log in; it's in a chroot, but still they shouldn't have arbitrary command access (unrestricted access to the local network is what I'm concerned about; this server is behind a firewall). |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | ernst: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 15:34.14 | chops1 | titan8990: The one that I want to override every user's shell on is the one people are accessing for rsync over ssh |
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| 15:35.28 | titan8990 | wanders if scponly works with rsync |
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| 15:36.09 | chops1 | titan8990: scponly does... it's a great solution, as long as I set every user's shell to scponly :-) |
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| 15:36.52 | ernst | abrotman: thx |
| 15:38.08 | titan8990 | chops1: likely not an ideal solution but you could setup a VM to seperate the different functionality. |
| 15:38.14 | smhar | is it possible to run quanta plus on debian squeeze? how? |
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| 15:39.22 | titan8990 | judd: versions quanta |
| 15:39.23 | judd | quanta -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-3 |
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| 15:39.49 | themill | quanta seems to be have been abandoned upstream, or at least is no longer part of kdewebdev |
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| 15:40.40 | titan8990 | yeah doesn't look like it made the kde 3.5 -> 4.x transition |
| 15:40.59 | smhar | themill, quanta is still @ ver.3 and no version for kde4 is developed yet. but squeeze does not have it at it upgrades kde to 4 |
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| 15:41.24 | chops1 | titan8990: Okay. How would I go about setting every user's shell to a particular value within the VM (bearing in mind that these users and data are stored in LDAP)? |
| 15:42.20 | jelly | chops1: usermod? |
| 15:42.28 | jelly | and a nice for loop |
| 15:42.33 | smhar | themill, titan8990, what about this, I change sources to lenny, apt-get update && apt-get install quanta and change sources back to squeeze? |
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| 15:42.48 | rvsjoen | does usermod play nice with ldap ? |
| 15:42.52 | chops1 | jelly: For users stored in LDAP? I can't modify their shell settings for the other sshd server. |
| 15:43.10 | titan8990 | smhar: that has quite a bit of potential to break your system |
| 15:43.16 | rvsjoen | what about smbldap-usermod ? |
| 15:43.19 | jelly | chops1: sounds like you haven't configured nss_ldap properly? |
| 15:43.29 | chops1 | jelly: Why do you say that? |
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| 15:44.00 | jelly | chops1: usermod, passwd and friends should work transparently regardless of the passwd backend |
| 15:44.10 | chops1 | jelly: Have you been reading? I want one sshd server on one port which lets some (non-LDAP) users log in, and a different sshd server on a different port which allows a separate but overlapping set of (LDAP) users to log in, but overrides the login shell for all those users. |
| 15:44.27 | jelly | chops1: you're weird |
| 15:44.29 | chops1 | jelly: Changing shells for some of the existing users to scponly won't solve my problem, it'll just piss off the users. |
| 15:45.14 | titan8990 | I have a feeling there in an xy problem going on here but I am not familiar enough with the subject to call it out |
| 15:45.31 | chops1 | jelly: I want to set up rsync authenticating against LDAP without giving unrestricted access to the users who have access to rsync (or breaking ssh access for the users who do have access to both). The only way I can see is to use rsync over ssh, but in order to restrict that access it seems that I'll need to reset people's shells. |
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| 15:45.47 | jelly | chops1: but still, it sounds like you could almost make nss work by preferring ldap over files, where ldap users exist |
| 15:46.02 | chops1 | jelly: If you want to tell my boss I'm weird for wanting to solve this problem, I'll pass the message along to him. I'm sure he'll understand and tell me to head home for the day. |
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| 15:46.19 | titan8990 | !xyproblem |
| 15:46.19 | dpkg | it has been said that xyproblem is people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
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| 15:46.52 | chops1 | titan8990: Okay, sure. How do I solve X (restricted rsync access authenticating against LDAP)? |
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| 15:47.50 | titan8990 | chops1: I said a min ago that I am not sure. I am just guessing that it is an xyproblem due to how unusual to request is. |
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| 15:48.24 | chops1 | jelly: That doesn't work -- some of the users I don't want to break existing ssh access for do exist in LDAP as well as on the local system |
| 15:48.28 | titan8990 | chops1: but for example we have already settled on: "to be secure rsync users must not have a real shell", and they may not be true for example. |
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| 15:49.12 | chops1 | titan8990: I'm not trying to be obstreporous. But yes, I'm aware that there may be different ways to solve this problem, and I've tried to think of some. If you have any ideas I'd love to hear :-). |
| 15:49.14 | qwd | Is there a way for me (Debian sid) to control or at least look at the screen of a remote Vista machine? Would be so much easier when helping people. |
| 15:49.16 | anubisg1 | hi people.. do you know if debian (unstable maybe?) already switched to gcc 4.5? |
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| 15:49.29 | d1b | titan8990: you can set up gitiosis git is good like rsync in some cases |
| 15:49.30 | jelly | chops1: have you already figured out how to make the second sshd sue an alternate pam.d file? |
| 15:49.37 | wols | qwd: there are a ton of rdp or vnc clients in debian |
| 15:49.39 | d1b | judd: versions gcc |
| 15:49.40 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; sid: 4:4.4.2-3; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3 |
| 15:49.44 | d1b | anubisg1: no |
| 15:49.50 | anubisg1 | dlb: thanks |
| 15:49.52 | chops1 | I'm currently preparing to compile a patched sshd binary that overrides the user's shell, so I'm open to pretty ridiculous suggestions :-) |
| 15:50.06 | d1b | chops1: what are you doing |
| 15:50.08 | chops1 | jelly: Yes, I did deal with that. It was a collossal pain in the ass. |
| 15:50.12 | d1b | it sounds like you are doing it WRONG |
| 15:50.12 | themill | chops1: can't you just "nss_override_attribute_value loginShell /usr/bin/scponly" on the machine in question? |
| 15:50.22 | rvsjoen | does the sshd server have _anything_ to do with selecting the shell at all ? |
| 15:50.35 | wols | rvsjoen: with chops1, it does :) |
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| 15:51.04 | jelly | themill: he doesn't really do nss but direct ldap auth afaict? |
| 15:51.08 | chops1 | d1b: Oh, great, another genius who's sure I'm just too stupid to be doing something that makes any sense. I'll copy and paste... I want to set up rsync authenticating against LDAP without giving unrestricted access to the users who have access to rsync (or breaking ssh access for the users who do have access to both). The only way I can see is to use rsync over ssh, but in order to restrict that access it seems that I'll need to reset |
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| 15:51.31 | themill | jelly: oh. nss and pam exist for a reason. *shrug* |
| 15:51.32 | chops1 | themill: That'll break ssh access for users who I _do_ want to continue to provide ssh access to this machine to |
| 15:51.41 | d1b | chops1: so you chroot them and only allow sftp access |
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| 15:51.49 | d1b | i don't see the issue |
| 15:52.00 | jelly | chops1: but here's a kludge: make the original sshd NOT use pam :-) |
| 15:52.11 | chops1 | jelly: Hm, that's feasible... |
| 15:52.14 | d1b | you could also use ssh groups etc. |
| 15:52.26 | chops1 | d1b: : I can only allow sftp access... by overriding the user's shell to scponly. How can I do that? Or is there another way to only allow sftp access? |
| 15:52.43 | d1b | chops1: have you googled ? :P |
| 15:53.21 | chops1 | d1b: Many, many times, yes. "ssh override shell", "pam override shell", "ssh set user's shell". I've also searched the source to pam and openssh for the word "shell" in case there's something undocumented that I didn't find. |
| 15:53.25 | d1b | scponly seems t obe ok |
| 15:53.33 | d1b | but |
| 15:53.37 | d1b | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
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| 15:53.59 | d1b | again http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 ... seems like a bad idea. |
| 15:54.27 | d1b | i thought there was a method to only give sftp properly |
| 15:54.41 | themill | chops1: then use nss_map_attribute to choose a different attribute for loginShell on that machine. |
| 15:54.49 | rvsjoen | ok i'm gonna go out on a limb here, but pam provides authentication and sshd provides transport, something else (login?) provides whatever shell to spawn, right ? |
| 15:55.39 | chops1 | d1b: scponly is great. I can use it as soon as I set everyone's shell to scponly (on this server, without affecting the other server). How do I do that? :-) |
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| 15:56.07 | chops1 | rvsjoen: /etc/passwd (or NSS) provides whatever shell to spawn. The issue is I don't see a way to override it per-service |
| 15:56.18 | themill | chops1: hang on... that's precisely what I told you how to do the first time and you didn't like it |
| 15:56.21 | rvsjoen | chops1: yes, sure, but who actually spawns it |
| 15:56.37 | rvsjoen | im pretty sure it aint pam or sshd |
| 15:56.40 | smhar | is it possible to compile quanta 3.5 on squeeze? |
| 15:56.52 | themill | smhar: we won't know until you try |
| 15:56.57 | chops1 | rvsjoen: sshd is the place where login() or the user's shell is actually spawned. |
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| 15:57.11 | chops1 | rvsjoen: I know because I'm looking at the source right now :-) |
| 15:57.17 | rvsjoen | interesting |
| 15:57.26 | d1b | chops1: openssh has sftp-server |
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| 15:57.50 | chops1 | d1b: Can I run that and have people connect and do rsync over ftp? That would actually work well... |
| 15:58.21 | jelly | chops1: so you want nss to work a bit differently for a subset of users, only when called from a one specific service |
| 15:58.27 | smhar | themill, would than put my squeeze on risk? |
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| 15:58.49 | chops1 | themill: Not that I didn't like it; I don't know how. I can _reset_ everyone's shell, but that'll piss off the existing ssh users when their ssh doesn't work. Or did you mean you already recommended disabling PAM for the system sshd? |
| 15:58.50 | d1b | chops1: can't you just run an rsync server? |
| 15:59.04 | chops1 | d1b: Nope -- unencrypted rsync is incapable of authenticating against LDAP. |
| 15:59.39 | d1b | right |
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| 15:59.42 | jelly | rsync doesn't seem to do pam or sasl or anything similar |
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| 16:00.13 | d1b | chops1: why rsync? |
| 16:00.19 | SerajewelKS | smhar: risk of what? |
| 16:00.21 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.39 | themill | chops1: nss_override_attribute_value is a per-machine setting to let you override a value on one particular machine. So you can override the shell on the machine taht you want to do rsync to, while not overriding the shell on other machines. Or alternatively, use nss_map_attribute to have loginShellRsyncBox for the machine that you want to allow both rsync and ssh access to. |
| 16:01.33 | jelly | chops1: oh, disabling pam for system sshd isn't needed if you managed to use a separate /etc/pam.d/testssh, eh |
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| 16:01.47 | chops1 | Hm... this is actually looking promising; sshd looks like it might allow you to set a SHELL environment variable and override the user's shell if so |
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| 16:02.12 | chops1 | jelly: I'm using /etc/pam.d/ssh-822, but I don't see a way to override the user's shell from within a PAM service configuration file. |
| 16:02.19 | SerajewelKS | chops1: and in reply to your xkcd cartoon, i'd be worried if i had given him the root password :) |
| 16:02.28 | chops1 | SerajewelKS: Haha |
| 16:02.40 | SerajewelKS | chops1: i made everything that he should need access to (like gnome-app-install or whatever) usable via sudo and created some desktop icons for him |
| 16:02.48 | chops1 | SerajewelKS: Good show |
| 16:03.04 | SerajewelKS | so as long as he doesn't decide to set the clock... |
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| 16:03.26 | SerajewelKS | (and i used the menu editor to hide the administration menu, as well as some of the programs/settings that are useless to him) |
| 16:03.29 | vargadanis | is there a command line application that monitors system resource usage (memory, load etc) and then maybe creates some graphs from it that can be accessed through http? |
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| 16:04.27 | rvsjoen | vargadanis: mrtg can do it, among many others |
| 16:04.33 | titan8990 | vargadanis: `top` will do most of that. as far as HTTP you probably want something that does SNMP such as cacti |
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| 16:04.46 | titan8990 | or mrtg is also popular |
| 16:04.54 | dos000 | how do you tell ssh to use dsa instead of rsa on the client ? |
| 16:04.57 | rvsjoen | cacti is probably better, at least it is easier to set up ( a lot easier ) |
| 16:05.09 | vargadanis | ok, thanx for that tips |
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| 16:06.17 | jelly | chops1: hm. Do the users only have to be able to access their home dir, or other paths? Could you use that internal-sftp thing? |
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| 16:07.52 | chops1 | jelly: How would I do the internal sftp thing? The only way I've seen is to override users' shells to sftponly. |
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| 16:08.28 | chops1 | Ugh - overriding $SHELL via PAM doesn't work :-( |
| 16:08.33 | chops1 | Yes, I think it's time to patch sshd |
| 16:08.37 | jelly | chops1: lots of ways, eg. add them to a group then check for that group in sshd_config |
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| 16:09.24 | d1b | chops1: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 i think does what you want |
| 16:09.28 | d1b | with a match |
| 16:09.40 | jelly | something like that, yeah |
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| 16:10.43 | chops1 | d1b: Ah, yes, ForceCommand. This actually does exactly what I want. Now I need a new version of sshd :-) |
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| 16:11.30 | chops1 | Okay, this is awesome. I can patch sshd for now (since this server is still running etch), but use ForceCommand after the upgrade. |
| 16:12.43 | d1b | chops1: you sould upgrade |
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| 16:12.54 | d1b | old-stable security support is going to be dropped soon |
| 16:12.55 | jelly | ForceCommand might or might not be good enough to run rsync |
| 16:13.11 | titan8990 | d1b: it was already dropped |
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| 16:13.30 | chops1 | d1b: Yes, I know. As soon as this month's product ships this server is going to upgrade. |
| 16:14.07 | d1b | titan8990: oh really? |
| 16:14.08 | chops1 | d1b: Sadly we're not in a position to do anything potentially disruptive to the server now (and I've not been in a position to do the upgrade until a couple of months ago) |
| 16:14.14 | d1b | but didn't i see an update for etch in a half etc. ? |
| 16:14.15 | d1b | recently |
| 16:14.26 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 16:14.46 | HardDisk_WP | anyone of you know a linux compatible 5'' tape archiver device? |
| 16:14.49 | titan8990 | d1b: yes, that was the final security upgrade and released after support was dropped. It was only released because they had been working on it prior to the security cut-off |
| 16:15.04 | d1b | k |
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| 16:15.15 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: probably any of them .. as long as they appear as a tape device |
| 16:15.28 | titan8990 | d1b: they made multiple announcements on various mailing lists |
| 16:15.50 | d1b | titan8990: k. i wasn't sure on the exact date. i only run lenny anyways :P |
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| 16:17.06 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 16:17.10 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
| 16:17.58 | chops1 | And now something else is coming along; I need to send an email and head out soon. Thanks for your help all. |
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| 16:36.05 | xok | hello all.. |
| 16:36.19 | xok | I've got fresh install of Debian amd64 GNU/Linux.. |
| 16:36.41 | xok | the server has 4GB of ram but the debian sees only 2... |
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| 16:37.01 | xok | actually 2762MB... |
| 16:37.13 | xok | what could be the problem and how can I fix it?.. |
| 16:37.30 | jhutchins_lt | xok: How are you determining how much ram the server "sees".? |
| 16:37.31 | Da_Wrecka | Wow, that makes no sense... Even a 32-bit OS can see 4GB |
| 16:37.41 | Da_Wrecka | but yes, what are you basing that assertion on |
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| 16:38.04 | xok | jhutchins_lt: htop says... |
| 16:38.05 | rvsjoen | the kernel owns 1GB |
| 16:38.32 | petemc | xok: what does uname -r say? |
| 16:38.34 | simonrvn | how could the kenel be sucking up 1 gb? |
| 16:38.37 | simonrvn | kernel |
| 16:38.58 | simonrvn | never mind me, i'm justing spouting nonsense. |
| 16:39.04 | xok | petemc: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:39.13 | RedTide | bye |
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| 16:39.20 | rvsjoen | it wouldn't, but I think 1GB is directly mapped into the physical address space |
| 16:39.26 | rvsjoen | and 'allocated' to the kernel space |
| 16:39.37 | rvsjoen | if I remember correctly |
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| 16:40.10 | rvsjoen | here: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 16:40.37 | jhutchins_lt | xok: does free -m agree? |
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| 16:41.17 | xok | jhutchins_lt: yes, exactly... |
| 16:41.46 | jhutchins_lt | How about the BIOS? |
| 16:41.57 | xok | hmmmm.... |
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| 16:42.19 | xok | I ain't got physical access to the server right now... |
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| 16:43.10 | vargadanis | do you need to tweak around with crontab for cacti? I managed to set it up and I see the nice UI but no graphs yet |
| 16:43.16 | vargadanis | I suppose I need to wait a little ehh? |
| 16:43.22 | rvsjoen | xok: dmidecode -t memory | grep "Installed Size" |
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| 16:44.16 | xok | rvsjoen: says 2048... |
| 16:44.33 | rvsjoen | twice ? |
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| 16:45.12 | xok | rvsjoen: what do you mean?.. |
| 16:45.19 | xok | yes, twice.. |
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| 16:45.29 | xok | it says 2048 twice.. |
| 16:45.39 | xok | and twice "not installed" |
| 16:45.59 | gothenburg | twice? |
| 16:46.00 | rvsjoen | ok, so 2x2GB chips |
| 16:46.09 | rvsjoen | and two free slots |
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| 16:46.40 | xok | rvsjoen: so, that mean there should e 4GB right?. |
| 16:46.47 | xok | what could cause such problem?.. |
| 16:47.05 | rvsjoen | i'm not sure how 'free' deals with the memory which is allocated to the kernel |
| 16:47.38 | rvsjoen | xok: can you pastebin /proc/meminfo ? |
| 16:48.29 | xok | rvsjoen: sure, sec.. |
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| 16:49.06 | vargadanis | rvsjoen, I have a problem with cacti... the graphs are not shown at all but all seems to be fine... do you think you could help me debug? Where shall I start looking? |
| 16:49.25 | rvsjoen | vargadanis: did you give it a few minutes ? |
| 16:49.37 | vargadanis | yeah it's up for a while now |
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| 16:49.46 | rvsjoen | then check the cacti log file |
| 16:50.42 | vargadanis | rvsjoen, nothing there.. user admin authed that's all |
| 16:50.54 | wols | xok: what does /proc/meminfo say? wha about /proc/kmsg? what dmesg? |
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| 16:52.03 | rvsjoen | vargadanis: been a while since I touched cacti, but find out where it stores the rrd files and figure out when they were last updated (using rrdtool update/info) |
| 16:52.06 | ksandstr | hello. xset -b recently stopped working. how do I make it work again, or get the same result with another command in my ~/.Xsession? |
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| 16:53.02 | ksandstr | it seems that X applications of all things want my computer to beep at me |
| 16:55.26 | vargadanis | rvsjoen, ok, I'll try and do that |
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| 16:55.45 | nasofe | I have some problem with supend to ram/disk.How can I get debug message about it. |
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| 16:57.10 | nasofe | I have try to get debug message from dmesg and /var/log/kern.log |
| 16:57.36 | nasofe | But I can't find something useful |
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| 16:58.00 | nasofe | Do I need a debugfs from kernel? |
| 16:58.28 | nasofe | Sorry for my poor English |
| 17:00.22 | wols | debugfs? in linux? |
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| 17:01.18 | nasofe | wols: I guess so,for kernel debugging maybe |
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| 17:02.17 | Ben90 | hello |
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| 17:02.50 | RayzrShrp | I downloaded the adobe flash player 10 deb file last night and ran sudo dpkg -i package |
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| 17:02.57 | RayzrShrp | but flash still doesnt work in ice weasel |
| 17:03.00 | RayzrShrp | did i miss a step? |
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| 17:04.26 | nasofe | RayzrShrp: Can you found it in plug-in list? |
| 17:04.38 | wols | RayzrShrp: downloaded where? |
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| 17:04.45 | mrfree | hi all, I'm using php5.3 from squeeze... does it uses mysqlnd??? |
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| 17:05.03 | BlackFate | RayzrShrp, there is already flash plug in inside debian non-free repo |
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| 17:05.41 | iamleneko | hi |
| 17:05.48 | Ben90 | can someone please help me? |
| 17:06.05 | iamleneko | what is the problem ? |
| 17:06.13 | wols | !tell Ben90 about ask |
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| 17:06.37 | RayzrShrp | BlackFate: so I just need to edit /etc/apt/source-list and uncomment non-free sourcE? |
| 17:06.48 | iamleneko | i have one myself, i have not success to chroot sftp connection for a specific user |
| 17:06.54 | RayzrShrp | nasofe: no |
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| 17:07.17 | RayzrShrp | wols: downloaded to home directory as a deb and then ran dpkg -i package |
| 17:07.33 | Ben90 | i want to use the hardware drivers for my ATI Radeon 9600 Pro in debian. |
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| 17:07.36 | wols | RayzrShrp: downloaded from where |
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| 17:07.45 | RayzrShrp | wols: adobe.com |
| 17:07.48 | xok | jrvsjoen: sorry for late response, net got stuck, here it is: http://pastebin.com/mexArKdW |
| 17:07.57 | nasofe | May be you can uninstall it and get one from debian source |
| 17:07.59 | BlackFate | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ <codename> main contrib non-free |
| 17:08.00 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: if you are running stable install it from backports.org, the .deb from adobe.com is for ubuntu |
| 17:08.01 | wols | RayzrShrp: then ask adobec.com, not us. or use the debian flash player |
| 17:08.10 | BlackFate | RayzrShrp, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ <codename> main contrib non-free |
| 17:08.12 | Ben90 | hallo? |
| 17:08.14 | titan8990 | !tell RayzrShrp about adobe flash |
| 17:08.15 | vargadanis | rvsjoen, there is nothing in the rra folder of in cacti, is that normal? |
| 17:08.28 | wols | !tell Ben90 about radeon |
| 17:08.28 | vargadanis | -of |
| 17:08.31 | BlackFate | RayzrShrp, where <codename> is lenny or sid or i dont know what you have |
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| 17:08.45 | Ben90 | ? |
| 17:09.05 | wols | Ben90: dpkg just messaged you something |
| 17:09.08 | craigevil | BlackFate: flashplugin-nonfree is not in stable, its in backports |
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| 17:09.27 | wols | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:09.28 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
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| 17:11.04 | RayzrShrp | so I can install a non-free or a backport |
| 17:12.39 | wols | RayzrShrp: no XOR |
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| 17:13.34 | RayzrShrp | wols: XOR? |
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| 17:14.24 | mrfree | with php5.3@squeeze mysql over ssl stops working!!! |
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| 17:14.51 | xok1 | rvsjoen: sorry for late response, net got stuck, here it is: http://pastebin.com/mexArKdW |
| 17:15.04 | RayzrShrp | wols: either or huh |
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| 17:16.12 | RayzrShrp | so debian lenny does come with a flash player already installed though |
| 17:16.15 | RayzrShrp | out of the box |
| 17:16.34 | adb | no |
| 17:16.45 | xok1 | rvsjoen: still here?.. |
| 17:17.13 | wols | RayzrShrp: it cannot. unless it's swfdec/gnash. and people rarely want that |
| 17:17.15 | themill | RayzrShrp: if you install the gnome task then you'll get swfdec or something installed. That's not quite "by default" however. |
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| 17:18.01 | RayzrShrp | so then what are you guys using to watch flash content like youtube and stuff in iceweasel? |
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| 17:20.27 | vargadanis | rvsjoen, problem solved.. :) thanx |
| 17:20.42 | xok1 | rvsjoen: any help please?.. |
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| 17:20.47 | wols | RayzrShrp: have you read the factoids you've been messaged? |
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| 17:22.01 | RayzrShrp | wols: yep so looks like flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:22.25 | RayzrShrp | wols: so do I just download the deb from there and dpkg -i it |
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| 17:22.49 | wols | RayzrShrp: no |
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| 17:23.06 | wols | RayzrShrp: we have this wonderful thing we call aptitude |
| 17:23.24 | RayzrShrp | ok so then do i need to add that site into /etc/apt/sources-list |
| 17:23.43 | wols | how about you read the website in question? |
| 17:23.47 | obiwan_ | hi everybody, i'm using ubuntu but nobody seems to know how to help me. if it's not ok it's np. neither networkmanager nor wicd refuse to join my passwordless (open) router. I can join with my ipod, and i can see (i'm connected to the router over ethernet now) that many neighbours are connected too, so it's got to be my client. I repeat: it works if i set wep , but if i disable it it won't connect. And i'm testing in other distro and i n |
| 17:23.53 | RichiH | is anyone a paying member of linux.com and can tell me if the lenovo discount works in germany, as well? |
| 17:24.22 | wols | obiwan_: go back to #ubuntu |
| 17:24.23 | DimmuR | is there any simple way to disable/enable touchpad in notebook on-the-fly? |
| 17:24.29 | obiwan_ | ok wols thanks anyway |
| 17:24.38 | obiwan_ | good afternoon |
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| 17:25.13 | RayzrShrp | wols: ok so I add this to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:25.14 | RayzrShrp | wols: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free |
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| 17:26.50 | RayzrShrp | simple enough thanks wols |
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| 17:29.21 | lhx | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 17:31.31 | peterrooney | appears lhx is an apt-guru |
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| 17:32.45 | lhx | huh? |
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| 17:38.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey everyone I need a backup solution for my server, here is what I am thinking, have the system cloned to an external drive then have the drive only power up when the system does a backup, then dump the changed files to the external drive and call it good so when something fails I can clone back without an issue. does this make sense and how can I do this? |
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| 17:42.07 | lhx | wants defnition of apt-guru... MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 17:43.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | any ideas anyone? |
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| 17:45.12 | themill | lhx: do you have a debian support question we can help you with? |
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| 17:48.07 | johndoe | guy do you know of any text based browser that supports javascript? |
| 17:48.22 | johndoe | text/terminal/cli |
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| 17:53.21 | JaneF | Hi, what is the command to move a user from group1 to group2? |
| 17:53.41 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:53.50 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions firefox |
| 17:53.51 | judd | firefox -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 |
| 17:54.11 | lazy^ | dpkg chgrp |
| 17:54.11 | dpkg | lazy^: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:54.16 | lazy^ | :D |
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| 17:57.39 | JaneF | Hi, what is the command to move a user from group1 to group2 on debian? |
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| 17:58.30 | userrlc | hi I 've a problem with ntfs usb hdd under lenny, the hdd mount when plugged but I have no permissions management on them, and can only read them... |
| 17:58.32 | oggei | with usermod you assign/remove from groups |
| 17:58.37 | oggei | JaneF: man usermod |
| 17:58.51 | Ben90 | i'm having problems |
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| 17:59.37 | Ben90 | i am trying to install libgl1-mesa-dri and it says it has unmet dependencies |
| 18:00.03 | titan8990 | userrlc: you need ntfs-3g to write to ntfs partitions |
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| 18:00.29 | userrlc | titan8990, I have ntfs-3g :) |
| 18:00.35 | JaneF | oggei: im looking at that now.. :| |
| 18:00.39 | JaneF | oggei: not sure |
| 18:00.51 | Ben90 | can someone please tell me what to do? |
| 18:00.57 | oggei | Ben90: strange, what repositories are you using ? |
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| 18:01.03 | Ben90 | lenny |
| 18:01.07 | userrlc | Ben90, are you under testing ? |
| 18:01.19 | Ben90 | i'm not sure |
| 18:01.24 | lorenzo | Come faccio a permettere a un user di cambiare l'owner di un file senza farlo diventare super user? |
| 18:01.27 | oggei | so about which packages apt complains ? |
| 18:01.46 | lorenzo | Mi spiego meglio, nella cartella /var/www/site/ c'é una website |
| 18:01.56 | Ben90 | a long list of apps are being complained about |
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| 18:02.00 | titan8990 | Ben90: it sounds like you may be mixing releases, paste you /etc/apt/sources.list and `apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri` |
| 18:02.01 | oggei | lorenzo, try to look at channel and figure out what it's wrong with italian |
| 18:02.15 | lorenzo | Avrei bisogno che un user possa scrivere a leggere e aggiungere dei file |
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| 18:02.24 | titan8990 | !it |
| 18:02.24 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:02.33 | userrlc | Ben90, it's frequent that in testing branch some packages has missing dependencies. You should try install packages from stable if the te'sting one are not yet released |
| 18:02.37 | lorenzo | Però vorrei che l'owner dei file sia www-data:www-data e non l'user che l'ha inserito |
| 18:02.48 | Ben90 | ok |
| 18:03.01 | titan8990 | userrlc: the testing packages will not be "released" until squeeze becomes stable |
| 18:03.13 | Ben90 | userrlc/oggei: can i pm you? |
| 18:03.18 | oggei | no |
| 18:03.25 | titan8990 | Ben90: talk in the main channel |
| 18:04.11 | Ben90 | it jnust aked me if i want to resolve the problem and i said yes |
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| 18:04.15 | Ben90 | just* |
| 18:04.52 | titan8990 | Ben90: it sounds like you may be mixing releases, paste you /etc/apt/sources.list and `apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri` |
| 18:05.16 | userrlc | titan8990, my problem with ntfs seem to come from hal/ntfs-3g partnership.... when a hdd is mount, if the user from current session try to unmount it it complain about policykit rule |
| 18:05.55 | titan8990 | userrlc: didn't even know lenny gnome used policykit |
| 18:06.23 | userrlc | titan8990, it does :) |
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| 18:09.08 | km | is there a way to determine a apache module version? |
| 18:10.26 | titan8990 | km: #httpd |
| 18:11.50 | Ben90 | it's installing the apps to fix the problem |
| 18:12.16 | Ben90 | oggei/userrlc : ? |
| 18:13.26 | Ben90 | oggei? |
| 18:13.31 | Ben90 | userrlc? |
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| 18:17.07 | SerajewelKS | is there a shell idiom for weaving two files together (line 1 from A, line 1 from B, line 2 from A, etc) that can be done without storing entire files in memory? |
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| 18:19.02 | userrlc | Ben90, sorry I was away |
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| 18:20.50 | Ben90 | userrlc : this is what i am having problems with "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_151-2_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 18:20.51 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I think you'll probably have to write your own script for that. |
| 18:21.02 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: that's what i mean |
| 18:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | Ben90: Which release? |
| 18:21.16 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i can't seem to figure out how to read two files line-by-line simultaneously |
| 18:21.17 | zinx | SerajewelKS: paste -d'\n' foo1 foo2 |
| 18:21.19 | Trewas | SerajewelKS: maybe paste(1) can do that if you change the delimeter option to \n |
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| 18:21.26 | Ben90 | Squeeze |
| 18:21.30 | SerajewelKS | interesting |
| 18:21.44 | Ben90 | testing |
| 18:21.58 | jhutchins_lt | Ben90: Congratulations, your test has found a problem! |
| 18:22.01 | zinx | SerajewelKS: it will use blank lines at the end for the shorter (by lines) file |
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| 18:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | zinx: cool! |
| 18:22.53 | SerajewelKS | zinx: interesting, thanks (and Trewas too) |
| 18:22.55 | themill | makes Ben90 read the error message more carefully |
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| 18:23.52 | userrlc | Ben90, I have it installed on my squeeze x64 without problem, maybe you can try cleaning apt cache |
| 18:24.26 | benjamindees | is wifi working in Squeeze for anyone else? I've tried two different chipsets so far. |
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| 18:25.05 | ninnypants | are server questions ok in this channel or is there a server channel? |
| 18:25.09 | userrlc | benjamindees, yes here |
| 18:25.58 | userrlc | benjamindees, I use iwlwifi for an intel wifi chipset |
| 18:26.05 | benjamindees | ninnypants, yes it's fine here |
| 18:26.36 | benjamindees | userrlc, that's what I have. iwconfig shows a bunch of hex chars for the essid and refuses to change it. |
| 18:27.22 | userrlc | benjamindees, you can manage it with Applet NetworkManager 0.7.999 |
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| 18:28.28 | titan8990 | Ben90: feel free to pastebin that info... anytime |
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| 18:29.55 | wols | !tell Ben90 about errors |
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| 18:32.09 | jhutchins | benjamindees: /msg dpkg errors |
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| 18:32.58 | f00bar80 | my debian lenny while booting stopped at Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd , any comment ? |
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| 18:33.40 | jhutchins | f00bar80: What do the logs say? |
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| 18:33.46 | userrlc | benjamindees, do you use wpa2 wifi encryption ? |
| 18:33.51 | jhutchins | f00bar80: Are they configured to start? |
| 18:34.24 | f00bar80 | jhutchins, i can't login to the system to see the logs |
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| 18:34.45 | wols | f00bar80: you can. there is a special entry in your boot menu. use it! |
| 18:34.46 | jhutchins | f00bar80: You're not likely to be able to fix it then, are you? |
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| 18:35.05 | jhutchins | f00bar80: It sounds like you have other problems besides samba. |
| 18:35.07 | mino | hi guys |
| 18:35.21 | wols | mino: hello baby |
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| 18:35.26 | f00bar80 | jhutchins, how to check or access the system |
| 18:35.33 | wols | f00bar80: I just told you |
| 18:35.35 | jhutchins | f00bar80: I mis-understood you, I thought the samba services were not starting. |
| 18:35.56 | titan8990 | f00bar80: single user mode |
| 18:36.00 | f00bar80 | so how to access |
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| 18:36.41 | titan8990 | select single user mode from the grub menu.... |
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| 18:36.46 | mino | my problems never ends, i think. When i chroot into a system the command "mount" is showing the wrong information. And my problem is now that "update-grub" didnt recognize my lvm volumes |
| 18:37.15 | titan8990 | mino: the mount command will be incorrect unless you mount dev and proc inside the chroot |
| 18:37.24 | titan8990 | mino: and even then update-grub can get things wrong |
| 18:37.24 | f00bar80 | jhutchins, so how to access the system |
| 18:37.29 | wols | which you really really should if messing with grub |
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| 18:38.01 | titan8990 | f00bar80: how many times are you going to ask? to expect to get a different answer? |
| 18:38.01 | Napkin | Hi! How do I prevent a diffutils (marked as "essential") to install from sid on my lenny? I have stable set as Apt::Default-Release - and "diffutils" pinned to priority -1 - doesn't help. Anyone? |
| 18:38.19 | mino | wols: wher is mount getting its data from, can i copy that from the "upper" system? |
| 18:38.24 | wols | titan8990: he ignores everyone but jhutchins. he's f00bar80's personal jesus I guess |
| 18:38.45 | wols | mino: read what people tell you |
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| 18:39.15 | wols | Napkin: why do you mix releases in the first place? |
| 18:39.22 | titan8990 | checks to make sure his client is working properly |
| 18:39.27 | Napkin | heh - hi wols :) |
| 18:39.29 | macrobat | Napkin: pin the version to atleast 1001 |
| 18:39.29 | Napkin | <- Chojin |
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| 18:39.53 | wols | Napkin: that's nice that you have an identity crisis, but doesn't answer my question :P |
| 18:40.14 | mino | titan8990: but grub is directly switching into command mode, i cant access any single user mode |
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| 18:40.37 | titan8990 | mino: that was not directed at you. What was directed at you was about mounting dev and proc |
| 18:40.45 | Napkin | I have "diff" from lenny installed, not "diffutils". no matter what I pin "diffutils" to, apt always wants to install it |
| 18:40.46 | mino | I booted a linux live system, and chrooted into my installed system |
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| 18:40.52 | f00bar80 | jhutchins, then what ?? |
| 18:40.54 | themill | Napkin: do I want to know why you're hoping to do without diffutils? |
| 18:41.21 | Napkin | i want to stick to "diff" of lenny with security fixes, themill |
| 18:41.29 | titan8990 | mino: but did you mount proc and dev when you did chroot? |
| 18:41.34 | titan8990 | !tell mino about reinstall grub |
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| 18:41.40 | themill | Napkin: do I want to know why? |
| 18:41.43 | Napkin | and wols, your memory is weak :-P anyways, I need ajaxterm from sid |
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| 18:42.05 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions mdm |
| 18:42.07 | judd | mdm -- sid: 0.1.3-2; squeeze: 0.1.3-2 |
| 18:42.09 | wols | Napkin: no. you just have a confused personality |
| 18:42.09 | themill | ,versions ajaxterm |
| 18:42.10 | judd | ajaxterm -- etch: 0.9-2; etch-security: 0.9-2+etch1; lenny: 0.10-2; lenny-security: 0.10-2+lenny1; sid: 0.10-6; squeeze: 0.10-6 |
| 18:42.18 | wols | Napkin: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:42.18 | Napkin | themill - i don't understand you. I am answering macrobat's question. |
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| 18:42.28 | mino | titan8990: i mounted dev and proc. Do you mean i need to switch with init to single user mode? |
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| 18:42.33 | f00bar80 | i used the single mode and always stopped at "Starting Samba daemons: nmbd smbd" |
| 18:42.36 | themill | wonders what the advantages in the newer ajaxterm packaging actually are |
| 18:42.46 | wols | f00bar80: you're funny. single user mode and samba starting |
| 18:42.51 | titan8990 | mino: no, I was talking to someone else when I was talking about single user mode... |
| 18:43.04 | mino | omg, sorry I'm confused |
| 18:43.04 | wols | themill: numbers. it's all about the numbers |
| 18:43.06 | titan8990 | mino: if proc and dev is mounted inside the chroot then update-grub should work properly |
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| 18:43.38 | mino | titan8990: it should.. but i doesnt... and also mount shows totally wrong stuff (the old fstab) |
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| 18:44.03 | Napkin | well, wols - I am not going to install ajaxterm via src because it switched to 3.09 (quilt) source format. |
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| 18:44.20 | mino | ahh now i found /etc/mtab is where mount reads its stuff, is that right? |
| 18:44.30 | titan8990 | mino: yes |
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| 18:45.05 | wols | Napkin: a backport is a deb like any other |
| 18:45.07 | mino | can i regenerate it, in a chrooted environment? |
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| 18:45.22 | titan8990 | mino: if it appears wrong, try making a symlink from /proc/partitions -> /etc/mtab |
| 18:45.26 | jelly-home | judd: versions quilt |
| 18:45.28 | judd | quilt -- etch: 0.45-6; etch-backports: 0.46-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.46-6; lenny-backports: 0.46-8~bpo50+1; sid: 0.48-5; squeeze: 0.48-5 |
| 18:45.31 | ninnypants | I just had a server lose all network access. I can't ping it and I can't ping from it. I've restarted the networking on the server and it should have network access because I'm currently using the net it's plugged into. I ran ifconfig and got this response http://pastebin.com/teuCaL61 but don't know what to do now |
| 18:45.37 | Napkin | the build requirements are terribly |
| 18:45.52 | themill | Napkin: 3.0(quilt) is supported in lenny already |
| 18:46.19 | titan8990 | ninnypants: you mean your currently connected via the serial console? |
| 18:46.34 | mino | titan8990: are you sure, "cat /proc/partitions" looks totally different as "mount" |
| 18:46.39 | Napkin | so - the solution to a bug is to build it myself? :> |
| 18:46.51 | f00bar80 | so may anyone answer then |
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| 18:46.58 | themill | Napkin: you've not told us what the bug is yet. Only that you want to do all sorts of crazy things. |
| 18:46.59 | titan8990 | mino: according to `man mount`... yes |
| 18:47.12 | f00bar80 | wols, i'm psoting my question to all now , right ? |
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| 18:47.28 | wols | f00bar80: yes |
| 18:47.32 | ninnypants | titan8990: no it's in my office and is headed |
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| 18:47.46 | wols | but as history shows you don't care if anyone except jhutchins talks to you |
| 18:47.48 | f00bar80 | wols, so no one answered :) |
| 18:47.55 | SPF | I try to ssh -D 8080 to my home computer so I can access my router using 8080 as proxy. But it does not work |
| 18:48.02 | titan8990 | ninnypants: pastebin dmesg tail and ifconfig -a |
| 18:48.04 | uwjesd | Hello there. I am on lenny and using backports and updated to newest kernel in repo and keep getting the message that linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.2-amd64 is missing. How do I get this package? |
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| 18:48.23 | jelly-home | ninnypants: is iproute package installed? if it is, can you pastebin a screenshot of "ip link show" output? |
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| 18:48.32 | titan8990 | ninnypants: pastebin will be much easier if you use serial console access |
| 18:48.34 | f00bar80 | wols, using to select single mode from gurb shows that i did , right / |
| 18:48.35 | Napkin | themill: the bug it, that even though I have set a Default-Release this essential-tag is forcing me to install diffutils from sid, which I don't want. |
| 18:48.42 | Napkin | or is there a way around that? |
| 18:48.43 | themill | Napkin: that's not a bug. |
| 18:49.04 | Napkin | what good is it for then? |
| 18:49.11 | Napkin | pin is ignored, default-release is ignored |
| 18:49.12 | ninnypants | titan8990: how do I do that |
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| 18:49.26 | mino | titan8990: i think you mean /proc/mounts and not /proc/partitions |
| 18:49.27 | wols | f00bar80: then go into grub. press "e" and edit your kernel line to have the parameter "init=/bin/bash" instead of "single" |
| 18:49.32 | themill | Napkin: perhaps you'd like to read up on the meaning of "Essential" and double check about how well-supported mixing different releases is. |
| 18:49.50 | mischief | halp halp i have sound in Adobe Flash but not vlc. i installed pule audio and selected the pulse output module in vlc preferences but no dice |
| 18:49.57 | themill | Napkin: "doctor doctor my thumb hurts when I hit it with this hammer" doesn't mean there's something wrong with the hammer... |
| 18:50.28 | uwjesd | mischief: Try start vlc in a xterminal and tell us about the output. |
| 18:50.29 | titan8990 | ninnypants: it varies depending on the server. Typically the serial port is rj45 and will plug in to the rs232 port on another computer. baudrates and etc is usually in the documentation for your hardware |
| 18:50.31 | f00bar80 | wols, can't i kill starting samba |
| 18:50.42 | Napkin | bleh, themill |
| 18:50.48 | abrotman | doctor doctor give me the news .. |
| 18:50.50 | jelly-home | Napkin: arguably you could a) remove the versioned dep for diffutils and hope for the best, or b) backport diffutils |
| 18:50.50 | titan8990 | ninnypants: 9600 baud is common from my experience |
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| 18:51.13 | Napkin | setting a Default-Release is an unsupported feature? setting a pin on a package is an unsupported feature? |
| 18:51.24 | themill | Napkin: mixing releases is not supported. |
| 18:51.32 | jelly-home | !bobbitt |
| 18:51.32 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 18:51.40 | Napkin | jelly-home: I don't have diffutils installed - nothing I can remove |
| 18:51.48 | f00bar80 | wols, or even how disable starting samba daemons |
| 18:52.07 | jelly-home | Napkin: sorry? |
| 18:52.11 | titan8990 | mino: sorry, that is correct |
| 18:52.12 | themill | Napkin: You've still not told us why you want ajaxterm from sid. And you've not told us why you haven't just rebuilt the sid package in lenny as instructed a number of times now. |
| 18:52.21 | titan8990 | mino: /proc/mounts |
| 18:52.29 | Napkin | is there no freaking way to prevent an essential package from installing itself on an apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:52.51 | mischief | uwjesd: http://paste.debian.net/62009/ sorry it took me a while |
| 18:52.53 | themill | Napkin: go double check that dictionary again for the meaning of essential |
| 18:53.06 | mino | titan8990: nvm, i checked the manpage before because it really looked totally different |
| 18:53.16 | jelly-home | Napkin: I meant when doing the backport, adapt debian/control in the source package tree to make it think the build-deps are satisfied |
| 18:53.17 | titan8990 | mino: sorry about that |
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| 18:53.27 | f00bar80 | wols, any comment |
| 18:53.31 | mischief | also should i not have pulseaudio and alsa installed? |
| 18:53.38 | themill | jelly-home: all the build-deps are satisified in lenny already. This is a truly trivial backport. |
| 18:53.48 | uwjesd | mischief: Sorry, I think I can only look at this after I get my system properly after a restart, unless you send this to me in private chat very very carefuly. |
| 18:53.48 | themill | ,builddep ajaxterm --release sid |
| 18:53.49 | judd | ajaxterm -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~); Build-Depends-Indep: python (>= 2.3), python-support (>= 0.6). |
| 18:53.57 | jelly-home | themill: so what's the big deal? :-) |
| 18:54.01 | themill | jelly-home: nfc |
| 18:54.07 | Napkin | themill: if you really care so much: lenny's ajaxterm is broken since last security fix. And I don't want to rebuild it, because I would like to get informed by the package-manager when a new version is in sid. |
| 18:54.30 | themill | Napkin: so you'd rather take a stab at breaking your entire box instead? yay... |
| 18:54.54 | mischief | uwjesd: see PM |
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| 18:55.04 | Napkin | themill: how would it break by installing ajaxterm? have you seen the dependencies? |
| 18:55.04 | jelly-home | Napkin: I say, rebuild it, make it work, and find a way to subscribe to the new pacakge uploads |
| 18:55.05 | themill | Napkin: you could just subscribe to package upload announcements via the package tracking system and get emailed when new packages are available |
| 18:55.18 | jelly-home | righty |
| 18:55.25 | titan8990 | Napkin: doesn't look like anyone bug reported that |
| 18:55.26 | Napkin | themill: anyways, you can leave the dealing with a so-called broken system to me. i can handle that. |
| 18:55.54 | themill | Napkin: no, you'll expect us to handle it and refuse to listen to anything people say to you... that's how you'll "handle it". HAND. |
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| 18:56.19 | Napkin | titan8990: yeah, I have no time to report it. but the session fix is so safe now, that you can only do one session per ip.. next day it'll just create a new session. |
| 18:56.26 | `Dan | Hello. Is there a way to view a live log file? For example something like 'cat' but shows new lines as they are added? |
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| 18:56.35 | themill | `Dan: tail -f |
| 18:56.46 | RayzrShrp | try tail -f logfile |
| 18:56.47 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 18:56.58 | Napkin | themill: did you actually read what I said? I don't care about your opinion about whether _you_ think taking a package from sid is a good thing or not. |
| 18:57.11 | mino | YEAH grub works now :D wowoooow |
| 18:57.16 | titan8990 | Napkin: you have spent more time trying to get the new version to work then you would have spent filing a bug report for the benefit of everyone |
| 18:57.26 | wols | Napkin: well, you apparently do care about our answers :P |
| 18:57.40 | mino | thanks titan8990 and wols :) |
| 18:57.41 | Napkin | I asked about packages marked as essential - which are not listening to any of the "supported" features of debian. |
| 18:58.00 | titan8990 | mino: anytime |
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| 18:58.07 | Napkin | wols: a sentence starting with "themill:" and containing the word "you" is addressed to you too? |
| 18:58.11 | SerajewelKS | zinx: do you know of something like paste (or paste itself, but the manpage doesn't give any options for this that i can find) that will do the same thing, but not weave lines but whitespace-separated fields? |
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| 18:58.37 | benjamindees | f00bar80, rm /etc/rc2.d/S*nmbd /etc/rc2.d/S*smbd |
| 18:58.38 | SerajewelKS | zinx: so if i have files with "1 \n 2 3 \n 4" and "5 6 \n 7 8", i would get "1 5 \n 2 6 \n 3 7 \n 4 8" |
| 18:58.45 | themill | Napkin: take a break from #debian and try being less agressive and actually be prepared to take advice when you come back. |
| 18:59.08 | f00bar80 | benjamindees, yea what to do there ? |
| 18:59.17 | [Gandhi] | anyone implemented tacacs server in debian ? |
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| 18:59.53 | benjamindees | f00bar80, that disables the samba daemons |
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| 19:00.22 | f00bar80 | benjamindees, same for winbind ? |
| 19:00.34 | uwjesd | How to get linux-kbuild-2.6.32 from backports? I am on lenny. |
| 19:00.37 | dinya | hello all. i printed pdf file under debian (hp photosmart 3100) and i have "raster" fonts. but under windows i had beautiful vector fonts (pdf produce by pdflatex, fonts cm-super). it's possible to have similar results in debian? |
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| 19:01.49 | uwjesd | I suppose this means I should switch to my lenny kernel again. |
| 19:02.19 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i can't seem to find a way to do this with straight shell that doesn't involve arrays and crap |
| 19:02.36 | benjamindees | f00bar80, yes if you use that |
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| 19:04.07 | f00bar80 | benjamindees, No such file or directory for both |
| 19:04.29 | benjamindees | f00bar80, I didn't see your original question; is this a server or client? |
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| 19:06.13 | f00bar80 | benjamindees, client , i used dpkg-reconfigure samba and selected inetd , and this make boot pass starting samba daemons but stop at "Starting winbind daemons: winbind" |
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| 19:08.41 | benjamindees | f00bar80, so, winbind is the only daemon you would have on a client. if you just want to disable it, then delete the startup link in /etc/rc2.d |
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| 19:09.45 | Fantom__ | what is a package name for colors dir i dont whant to use ls -lsa --color=auto ? |
| 19:09.47 | wols | why has a CIFS client samba running? |
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| 19:10.01 | ed0n0n | I have a simple question: When using the 'w' command, why doesnt appear if root user is logged in a console or not? |
| 19:10.54 | Ssmario2 | Hi, i've changed my tty resolution by adding setgfxmode=1280x800 to my grub.cfg it worked fine but the fonts still fuzzy, what can i do to get sharp fonts (like on my desktop) ? thanks |
| 19:11.09 | wols | Fantom__: man dircolors ? |
| 19:11.17 | Fantom__ | wols: nothing.. |
| 19:11.25 | Fantom__ | man?!?! |
| 19:11.49 | wols | Fantom__: what debian version? |
| 19:11.54 | titan8990 | ed0n0n: it only show login sessions. It won't show users which have su'ed into |
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| 19:12.19 | Fantom__ | 5.0.4 lenny |
| 19:12.22 | ed0n0n | titan8990: is there a way to check if soo? |
| 19:13.04 | wols | Fantom__: I don't believe you. dircolors is always installed and therefore its manpage too |
| 19:13.18 | Fantom__ | wols ok thanks i will check |
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| 19:13.48 | Fantom__ | wols: do u know release date for squeeze |
| 19:13.51 | Fantom__ | ? |
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| 19:13.59 | wols | !tell Fantom__ about wwsr |
| 19:14.01 | Fantom__ | summer? |
| 19:14.15 | wols | sure. which year? |
| 19:14.19 | Fantom__ | 2010 |
| 19:14.34 | f00bar80 | benjamindees, ok now logged in but when i try to mount -t cifs/smfs //192.168.1.66/H /mnt/windows , i got mount error 111 = Connection refused |
| 19:14.40 | wols | it's nice to see such optimists. naive but optimistic |
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| 19:14.57 | Fantom__ | :))))) |
| 19:15.49 | wols | f00bar80: that is not a debian problem but a windows one |
| 19:17.05 | JyZyXEL | how do i restart dhclient? |
| 19:17.06 | benjamindees | f00bar80, what are you trying to do? has this ever worked before? if so, what has changed since it last worked? |
| 19:17.12 | JyZyXEL | root 1956 0.0 0.0 2180 620 ? Ss Jan25 0:01 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 19:17.36 | JyZyXEL | i need it to read the new /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 19:17.45 | Ssmario2 | i've tried changing the fontsizes using dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but didn't make a big change |
| 19:17.49 | ed0n0n | f00bar80: you can try this: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/ |
| 19:18.00 | f00bar80 | benjamindees, i always got this error |
| 19:18.07 | f00bar80 | ed0n0n, whta is that ? |
| 19:18.57 | ed0n0n | the driver you need to mount windows file systems |
| 19:19.32 | ninnypants | titan8990: here's the result of the ifconfig -a http://pastebin.com/GFhgcwr0 can't get the whole dmesg tail |
| 19:19.44 | JyZyXEL | how do i make dhclient read the new configuration? |
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| 19:19.54 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't do it automatically |
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| 19:19.58 | titan8990 | ed0n0n: thats for local NTFS partitions, he wants smbfs or cifs (fuse) |
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| 19:20.20 | ed0n0n | you are right |
| 19:20.43 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, I don't think you can send a signal to do it; you have to bring the interface down then back up |
| 19:20.46 | ed0n0n | but needs to load it localy before using samba I guess |
| 19:20.52 | titan8990 | ninnypants: any noticable errors from dmesg? What happens if you do: `ifconfig eth0 up`? |
| 19:21.06 | JyZyXEL | are you kidding me i have to actually bring it down? |
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| 19:21.14 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: is there a firewall or something blocking the connection? |
| 19:21.22 | titan8990 | ed0n0n: sorry, missed your question. I don't know of a way. |
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| 19:21.34 | JyZyXEL | how do i do that? |
| 19:21.35 | ed0n0n | does anybody know if how to check if Root user is logged in? |
| 19:21.40 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: can you telnet to port 139 or 445 on that IP? |
| 19:21.45 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: 'who' |
| 19:21.48 | JyZyXEL | do i just kill the dhclient? |
| 19:21.59 | nervousTwitch | how can i see real time connections to pure-ftp? |
| 19:22.05 | JyZyXEL | or ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 19:22.21 | benjamindees | "At this time, the dhcpd server doesn't have any reload mechanism. It doesn't handle HUP signal nor have a 'soft' reconfiguration method. The server has to be stopped and restarted, for example:" |
| 19:22.22 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: he wants to see if a user has su'ed to root |
| 19:22.23 | ed0n0n | SerajewelKS: that is same as 'w', and it does not show info about root user |
| 19:22.52 | benjamindees | er, nevermind that's the server :-/ |
| 19:22.56 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, i disabled all kind of firewalls and antiviruses , no connection refused on ports 139 and 445 |
| 19:23.48 | benjamindees | JyZyXEL, I'm under the impression that if you just try to kill dhclient without issuing ifdown, bad things will happen |
| 19:24.02 | JyZyXEL | of course they will |
| 19:24.43 | mithdagor | how do i keep package A, even if the package B is trying to remove package A? |
| 19:24.47 | titan8990 | ninnypants: did ifconfig eth0 up return an error? |
| 19:25.21 | titan8990 | mithdagor: you can't have two packages that conflict with each other. there is a reason they conflict |
| 19:26.04 | ninnypants | titan8990: returned "Sudo: unable to resolve host" |
| 19:26.17 | mithdagor | titan8990, there is no conflict actually. kbd recommends console-tools but console-tools removes kbd. |
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| 19:26.36 | SimManiac | hi |
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| 19:26.53 | titan8990 | ninnypants: what version of debian is this? |
| 19:27.36 | SimManiac | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:27.52 | titan8990 | SimManiac: wrong window? |
| 19:27.57 | SimManiac | no... |
| 19:28.03 | SimManiac | <titan8990> ninnypants: what version of debian is this? <- |
| 19:28.23 | ardeidae | hi, does anybody know where i can download the complete man pages? everything i found is the kernel man pages... |
| 19:28.52 | titan8990 | ardeidae: maybe your looking for `manpages-dev` from non-free? |
| 19:28.56 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: this is probably as close as you're going to get: ps axu | grep 'root.*sh' |
| 19:29.03 | abrotman | titan8990: manpages-dev isn't non-free |
| 19:29.05 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: and you'll need to mentally prune the results |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | judd: info manpages-dev --release lenny |
| 19:29.13 | judd | manpages-dev (doc, optional): Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development. Version: 3.05-1; Size: 1399.8k; Installed: 3076k |
| 19:29.22 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, any comment ? |
| 19:29.36 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: which will probably not catch the case where someone does su -c 'vi something' etc |
| 19:29.45 | ninnypants | titan8990: 5.0.4 |
| 19:29.55 | ardeidae | titan8990: thanks :) |
| 19:29.58 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: if you really want to know then replace the su binary with a script that logs the action and calls the real one... |
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| 19:30.02 | titan8990 | abrotman: your right... I thought those were the GNU manpages that were considered non-free due to the GNU documentation liciense |
| 19:30.07 | abrotman | you're |
| 19:30.09 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: run tcpdump and see what it's trying to do? |
| 19:30.11 | abrotman | looks at liable |
| 19:30.29 | abrotman | titan8990: that's stuff licensed under GFDL .. AFAIK the manpages are not |
| 19:30.38 | titan8990 | ninnypants: alright, try again without sudo (but still as root): `ifconfig eth0 up`, then I need to see the dmesg output |
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| 19:31.21 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: according to man su, -c does invoke a shell first. so grepping for what i pasted earlier should catch most cases. |
| 19:31.59 | titan8990 | ninnypants: if you have to save the output to a file on a usb drive and pastebin from another machine |
| 19:32.06 | ninnypants | titan8990: I'm not root and don't have access to the root user |
| 19:32.44 | titan8990 | ninnypants: but your in charge of fixing issues that most definately require root privs? |
| 19:33.22 | titan8990 | ninnypants: you will need to ask your administrator to clear up the problem |
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| 19:33.45 | ed0n0n | SerajewelKS: Great :D You are at a great level. I wouldn't have thought about that grep solution, very clever. And about changing the root binary, prefer not doing so. |
| 19:33.52 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: have you tried smbfs instead? |
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| 19:34.07 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: yeah i wouldn't change it either :) |
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| 19:34.50 | ed0n0n | SerajewelKS: Thank you ;) |
| 19:34.53 | ninnypants | titan8990: the dev went into a coma in december and I was hired in feb. I'm now the only admin and dev it's been fun for sure |
| 19:35.07 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: using ps axu | egrep '^root .*sh( |$)' might return more relevant results |
| 19:35.35 | titan8990 | ninnypants: step #1 to becoming to the admin should have been getting root privs |
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| 19:35.54 | titan8990 | ninnypants: I understand difficulties in picking up someone elses work... but you have to have root |
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| 19:36.17 | titan8990 | ninnypants: boot a livecd and change the root password if you have to |
| 19:36.22 | ninnypants | titan8990: yeah I understand I'll see if I can get ahold of it |
| 19:36.22 | SerajewelKS | ninnypants: if they haven't cleaned out his cube yet then you could look under his keyboard... |
| 19:36.24 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, yes i tried both , aren't telnet and smb are different comm protocols ? |
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| 19:36.40 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: yes, but telnet will at least verify that you can make the connection |
| 19:36.48 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: what smbfs line did you use to connect? |
| 19:36.58 | ardeidae | titan8990: if i look inside http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/manpages-dev/filelist i can't find the ls, mkdir, rmdir commands. do you have any idea where i can find what i want? |
| 19:37.00 | titan8990 | ninnypants: your already in the middle of some downtime. Take this oppurtunity to reset the root password |
| 19:37.03 | ed0n0n | SerajewelKS: Get mostly the same result in my case, but its nice to have more than one chance :) |
| 19:37.10 | benjamindees | wants to know how to get hired as an admin without knowing how to change a root pw |
| 19:37.28 | SerajewelKS | ed0n0n: ya. the second pattern filtered out e.g. sshd and some other non-shell crap from my results |
| 19:37.31 | titan8990 | all while I can't get a job to save my life |
| 19:37.44 | ninnypants | titan8990: what should I use for the live disk? |
| 19:37.58 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: hell i know how to do that to an XP box and i've never been a windows server admin. never want to be either. |
| 19:38.10 | SerajewelKS | ninnypants: anything with mount and a text editor |
| 19:38.11 | titan8990 | ninnypants: boot the live cd -> chroot into filesystem -> run: `passwd root` |
| 19:38.30 | SerajewelKS | ninnypants: any live cd worth its salt will have all the tools you need |
| 19:38.32 | wols | SerajewelKS: a text editor? |
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| 19:38.53 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, that's the first thing I do on every Windows box I use :) |
| 19:38.55 | SerajewelKS | wols: what, you mean you don't edit /etc/passwd with a text editor? ;) but nah, i misspoke. |
| 19:39.14 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: i mean reset the password if you don't know it |
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| 19:39.33 | wols | SerajewelKS: I do daily. afterwards I usually have to boot from a livecd and reset passwords. for some reason my login don't work anymore |
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| 19:39.47 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.66/H /mnt/windows |
| 19:39.51 | SerajewelKS | wols: tricky things, those flat-file bastards |
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| 19:40.14 | wols | yes. I say "why can't I get a registry like sane people. but no one listens" |
| 19:40.20 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: does 'smbclient //192.168.1.66/H' manage to work? |
| 19:40.35 | benjamindees | hmm, I guess the answer is "move to Utah"... |
| 19:40.42 | SerajewelKS | wols: yeah i mean there should totally be a gconf module for pam |
| 19:41.07 | wols | gconf? wassat? I stay with gpedit, thanks |
| 19:41.23 | SerajewelKS | wols: gconf is the registry-like system used by most of gnome |
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| 19:42.01 | wols | I prefer the original |
| 19:42.12 | SerajewelKS | a bit saner than the windows registry, and it allows apps to get notified of changes in real-time |
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| 19:42.51 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, Connection to 192.168.1.66 failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED) |
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| 19:43.25 | wols | SerajewelKS: I'm a bit out of the loop. was telnet tried already or not? |
| 19:43.34 | titan8990 | f00bar80: connection refused usually means you have a firewall problem or that there is no daemon listening on the specified port to accept the connection |
| 19:43.36 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, when i got connection refused on both ports 129 and 445 , doesn't it mean , i need to make them listening on the win box ? |
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| 19:44.09 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: the windows file sharing services run on ports 139 and 445 |
| 19:44.11 | wols | f00bar80: did you create a share on the windows box? |
| 19:44.21 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, strip the newlines from the original files, then use tr to convert whitespace to newlines, then use paste |
| 19:44.23 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: if you can't get to those ports then it means that either the box is firewalled or the sharing service is not enabled |
| 19:44.34 | wols | and is sharing enabled on the network interface in your lan for your windows box? |
| 19:44.38 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: ok but can it be done in one pipeline? :) |
| 19:44.50 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, not quite :( |
| 19:44.52 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: basically, once you get smbclient to work, mount should work too |
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| 19:45.16 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: i'm rather interested how telnet did not fail on these ports though, you said that it succeeded, but i don't believe you :) |
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| 19:45.31 | helo | anyone know how to do ssh port tunneling so that outside hosts can connect to the port bound to? |
| 19:46.06 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, no i got connection refused on these ports |
| 19:46.15 | wols | there are a gazillion howtos on google. did you at least _try_ one? |
| 19:46.27 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, you can use named pipes |
| 19:46.44 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: ah, i read "no connection refused" as "no error" and not "no, i get a connection refused" |
| 19:46.58 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: haha, awesome |
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| 19:47.09 | wols | f00bar80: have you checked on windows if something is actually listening on 139 or 445? |
| 19:47.10 | helo | ahh... instead of -R port:localhost:otherport, use port:*:otherport |
| 19:47.11 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: so yeah, i shoud have known then :) |
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| 19:47.39 | SerajewelKS | helo: any other questions we can answer? :) |
| 19:48.01 | ninnypants | titan8990: turns out the commands were running correctly and the issue is fixed thanks for your help |
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| 19:48.32 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:48.48 | titan8990 | ninnypants: anytime |
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| 19:49.58 | helo | SerajewelKS: well... that was supposet to work according to the man page... but apparently there is some other hangup |
| 19:50.26 | f00bar80 | wols, no they're not listed even |
| 19:50.40 | wols | then maybe you should fix your windows "server" first |
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| 19:55.06 | mcgregor | hi |
| 19:55.44 | mcgregor | can anybody tell me how I can set fsck to check my partition every 100 times instead 25x or whatever? |
| 19:55.45 | SerajewelKS | helo: "Specifying a remote bind_address will only succeed if the server’s GatewayPorts option is enabled (see sshd_config(5))." |
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| 19:56.01 | SerajewelKS | helo: so you will probably have to reconfigure the server. this option is off by default, at least on debian boxen. |
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| 19:56.49 | jkjkljkl | hello i just deleted by mistake all file in /etc/apache2/ |
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| 19:57.13 | karlpinc | mcgregor: tune2fs |
| 19:57.35 | titan8990 | !tell jkjkljkl about confmiss |
| 19:58.06 | mcgregor | karlpinc, ahh yeah that was it, thx |
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| 19:59.50 | digggi | In my (new) installation apt-get defaults to using ipv6, for which my network has no support. How do I disable it and force it to use ipv4? |
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| 20:01.00 | pfo | is there a way to tell openvpn to use it's own PAM file (like /etc/pam/openvpn) -- sshd has this. |
| 20:01.04 | titan8990 | digggi: what version of debian is that? |
| 20:01.21 | titan8990 | pfo: usually better support at #openvpn |
| 20:01.21 | digggi | titan8990: Testing. |
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| 20:01.28 | digggi | Am not using network-manage.r |
| 20:01.33 | nsadmin | how do you know it defaults to ipv6 |
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| 20:02.15 | pfo | i just want to know if i have to use something specific to tell a daemon that it has it's own PAM configuration |
| 20:02.26 | digggi | nsadmin: That is what I made out of ' Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80 (2001:a78::16). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:a78::16 80]' |
| 20:02.33 | pfo | there is no reference to /etc/pam.d/sshd in sshd.conf file |
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| 20:03.09 | nsadmin | look at your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:04.06 | digggi | nsadmin: Could not notice anything particular there. |
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| 20:04.19 | digggi | I got one interface (eth0) defined with static ip, that's all. |
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| 20:04.42 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, what do you think ? |
| 20:04.59 | SerajewelKS | pfo: i don't think openvpn has anything to do with authentication, so i don't see why it would even use pam |
| 20:05.09 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: what do i think about what? |
| 20:05.28 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: you've given no new information since we told you what to do |
| 20:05.36 | pfo | SerajewelKS: my openvpn authenticates against PAM (with a stack of LDAP and RADIUS) |
| 20:05.38 | nsadmin | digggi an ipv4 address? |
| 20:05.43 | titan8990 | pfo: SerajewelKS, yeah i totally missed that at first too... you don't auth users with openvpn, you auth clients typically using PKI |
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| 20:05.58 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, i need these ports open ? |
| 20:06.00 | pfo | wtf? |
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| 20:06.18 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: on the windows box, yes. they need to be exceptions in the firewall (or the firewall needs to be off). |
| 20:06.21 | pfo | it's totally stupid to use client certifcates with hundreds of users. |
| 20:06.28 | pfo | stolen key files etc. |
| 20:06.33 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: at this point it's a windows configuration problem, so... ##windows is over there --> :) |
| 20:06.34 | digggi | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/9Nqc28DH |
| 20:06.34 | titan8990 | pfo: and thus my suggestion for #openvpn |
| 20:06.41 | pfo | i use username/password. |
| 20:07.00 | SerajewelKS | pfo: key files with passphrases are far more secure than user/pass |
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| 20:07.17 | pfo | yes, but heavy on the management side. |
| 20:07.28 | f00bar80 | SerajewelKS, firewall is off |
| 20:07.36 | nadar | in xchat i have several Hotkeys looking like _This: http://omploader.org/vM3BkaA |
| 20:07.41 | pfo | i already use RADIUS and LDAP for the clients |
| 20:07.43 | SerajewelKS | f00bar80: then the file sharing service is not listening, or is not enabled for that adapter |
| 20:07.48 | pfo | and I _need_ to stick to SSO |
| 20:08.14 | SerajewelKS | pfo: are you using --auth-user-pass-verify or something? |
| 20:08.17 | nsadmin | digggi so, yes |
| 20:08.21 | pfo | yep |
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| 20:08.41 | nadar | in #xchat i was told that the bug in svn is cleaned up. is there a way to know if the maintainer has looked up that for? |
| 20:08.55 | SerajewelKS | pfo: then it is that script that does the authentication, and therefore it's that script that you need to rig up to PAM how you would like |
| 20:09.06 | pfo | i just want to know how to use service-specific pam configuration files :) |
| 20:09.15 | pfo | i do have PAM authentication working |
| 20:09.17 | digggi | nsadmin: Any pointers about what might be wrong? |
| 20:09.26 | pfo | i just want to use a openvpn specific configuration file |
| 20:09.35 | pfo | like sshd does it (in /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 20:09.41 | digggi | nsadmin: Iceweasel works fine. |
| 20:09.43 | SerajewelKS | pfo: what utility does this script call? does it have an option for which pam conf file to use? |
| 20:09.54 | SerajewelKS | pfo: seems to me you're looking in the wrong place for the pam service option |
| 20:09.57 | pfo | i use the PAM plugin provided by openvpn |
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| 20:10.25 | nsadmin | digggi so your networking is up and (for example) you can ping yahoo.com |
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| 20:10.28 | pfo | i know PAM is black magic and barley anybody know anything about it :) |
| 20:10.47 | SerajewelKS | pfo: are you referring to "sample-scripts/auth-pam.pl" ? |
| 20:10.54 | pfo | no |
| 20:10.59 | pfo | i don't use auth-pam.pl |
| 20:11.09 | SerajewelKS | pfo: that's the only pam "plugin" i know of... |
| 20:11.32 | pfo | well there are _lots_ of other openvpn plugins |
| 20:11.48 | digggi | nsadmin: Can't ping (probably because of http proxy) but can wget. |
| 20:11.56 | SerajewelKS | pfo: is this an official openvpn plugin, and is it provided by debian? |
| 20:12.08 | pfo | SerajewelKS: i use a ``plugin /usr/lib/openvpn/openvpn-auth-pam.so common-auth''-stanza in my server.conf |
| 20:12.15 | pfo | official openvpn |
| 20:12.31 | pfo | yes, it is installed by default |
| 20:12.47 | SerajewelKS | pfo: ah yes, i see. unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be documented. so #openvpn is your best bet. |
| 20:13.10 | pfo | SerajewelKS: sadly. |
| 20:13.12 | dondelelcaro | pfo: service specific authentication just uses files in /etc/pam.d/servicename; man pam.d for details |
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| 20:13.23 | SerajewelKS | pfo: oh wait, no it's not. see /usr/share/doc/openvpn |
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| 20:13.39 | SerajewelKS | "plugin /usr/lib/openvpn/openvpn-auth-pam.so foobar" would use the foobar service in /etc/pam.d |
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| 20:14.01 | SerajewelKS | pfo: it's been staring you in the face this whole time |
| 20:14.20 | dojo | hey guys what is the normal way to add a service to command line startup? i want iptables to load all the time by default, and i forget where the init is supposed to go |
| 20:14.41 | SerajewelKS | dojo: i usually put iptables stuff in a "pre-up" stanza in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 20:14.51 | dojo | ok cool i'll give that a shot |
| 20:14.53 | dojo | thanks man |
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| 20:15.21 | nsadmin | proxy? and you can't ping because of it? can you ping 10.106.1.2 ? |
| 20:15.32 | pfo | SerajewelKS: you're probably right. will try. |
| 20:16.00 | SerajewelKS | pfo: well i'm as right as the docs i checked, so let's hope the docs are right :) |
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| 20:16.30 | qbwdp | i seem to have forgotten the command to change groups, could someone remind me, i'm a member of 3 groups and i just want to change groups, is it the id command with some flags? |
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| 20:17.00 | hile | hmmh I could actually use that openvpn module to do securid authenticated vpn connections with openvpn, interesting |
| 20:17.14 | charzero | qbwdp: usermod |
| 20:17.23 | SerajewelKS | qbwdp: newgrp |
| 20:17.40 | charzero | Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. |
| 20:17.51 | stuckey | Which packages do I need to install so that I can make an flv from an avi? |
| 20:17.55 | hile | well, we go on with the cisco vpn server for now, but nice to know we could switch to openvpn in some cases |
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| 20:18.14 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: the gstreamer utilities might be able to do that... |
| 20:18.23 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: which ones? |
| 20:18.23 | nsadmin | qbwdp what do you mean you want to change groups? |
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| 20:18.44 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: gstreamer-utils or whatever. but you'll have to build the pipeline yourself. (in other words, powerful, but not simple.) |
| 20:19.39 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: e.g. to transcode something to ogg vorbis it would be gst-launch filesrc location=somefile.wav ! decodebin ! audioresample ! audioformat ! vorbisenc ! oggmux ! filesink location=output.ogg |
| 20:19.58 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: but by the time you're done providing command-line options to other transcoding utilities, you're about as verbose anyway |
| 20:20.44 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: the real question is "what is the flv format" -- that will tell you if you can encode to it or not |
| 20:21.55 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: I thought there was just one .flv? |
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| 20:22.05 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: https://media.dreamhost.com/ <-- trying to do this |
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| 20:25.19 | ardeidae | cls |
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| 20:25.43 | nsadmin | it's not msdos in here :) |
| 20:25.44 | ardeidae | oups sorry |
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| 20:26.48 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: i mean, the flv format might just be another format with a different extension |
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| 20:27.07 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: I need to take an avi and get an flv |
| 20:27.19 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: yes, you told us that already. did you try 'apt-cache search flv' yet? |
| 20:27.25 | stuckey | Or swf |
| 20:27.32 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: I thought one does this with ffmpeg? |
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| 20:28.23 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: if you already know what tool to use, why are you asking in here? |
| 20:28.59 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height |
| 20:29.10 | stuckey | Using: ffmpeg -i raw_MVI_0208.avi -ab 128k first.flv |
| 20:29.15 | stuckey | Sorry, I did not make that clear |
| 20:30.02 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: have you tried googling the error message in the context of what you are trying to do? |
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| 20:30.32 | ponyofdeath | hi, during install i am getting "Available initramfs generators: ''" then getting base-installer/initramfs/unsupported |
| 20:30.38 | ponyofdeath | can someone please help me out |
| 20:30.39 | dojo | hey just wanted to say thanks to SerajewelKS |
| 20:30.46 | dojo | my iptables script is all set now :D |
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| 20:33.10 | stuckey | Does anyone know of a tool that will create a gallery of images... like, an html file with images, from a directory of images? |
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| 20:33.19 | stuckey | I'm looking for something like "galrey" but that works. |
| 20:33.22 | azeem | stuckey: there's tons |
| 20:33.30 | azeem | gthumb can do it, e.g. |
| 20:33.47 | stuckey | azeem: output an html file? |
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| 20:34.16 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: it sounds to me like you need to brush up on your google-fu |
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| 20:34.22 | azeem | stuckey: eh, yes |
| 20:34.29 | azeem | it's called "make a web gallery" |
| 20:35.05 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: also, apt-cache search is your friend. 'apt-cache search html gallery' displays many relevant results. |
| 20:38.33 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: basically, what i'm trying to say, is that #debian does not exist to be a proxy for apt-cache, google, or any other search tool... |
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| 20:39.59 | diggi | Something very unexpected: apt-get works when I run it under 'su' but does not work under 'sudo' - gives networking errors (Connection Refused). Any pointers why such a thing is happening? |
| 20:40.39 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: For what does #debian exist? |
| 20:40.44 | SerajewelKS | diggi: perhaps iptables rules with -m owner? |
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| 20:41.28 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: for asking questions about debian, questions that you cannot find the answers to yourself. (we don't get paid, so we don't like copying your questing into google and pasting answers back to you.) |
| 20:41.34 | diggi | SerajewelKS: I just did a fresh install. Is that likely? |
| 20:41.58 | benjamindees | ugh.. do I really have to manually create an xorg.conf in order to configure my touchpad? |
| 20:42.02 | SerajewelKS | diggi: no :/ never seen that from a fresh install, but then again i've never used apt-get from sudo |
| 20:42.27 | karlpinc | I connect to a remote box with ssh -Y. I can run xeyes and it works. But when I run iceweasel the remote process goes away and it somehow seems to open a new window in my existing iceweasel session on the local box. What is going on and how do I run an iceweasel session on the remote box? |
| 20:42.30 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: look at the gsynaptics package |
| 20:42.43 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: try passing iceweasel -no-remote |
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| 20:42.58 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: but this will only work if you use a different profile (see -P) |
| 20:43.26 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: the reason is that if iceweasel is already running, the iceweasel command tells the running process to open a new window -- which is, of course, running on a different X display. |
| 20:43.37 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: Thanks. (*doh* I did a --help but did not read.) |
| 20:43.38 | benjamindees | several thoughts come to mind.. why is this a separate tool? why is it not installed with the 'laptop' group? |
| 20:43.42 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: Ah, that's why. |
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| 20:44.12 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: np. note that there is currently no way to do this with the same iceweasel profile -- then the two instances of iceweasel will stomp on each other |
| 20:44.18 | benjamindees | why don't the 'touchpad' settings in the mouse configuration seem to do anything? etc.. |
| 20:44.28 | diggi | SerajewelKS: Got it. For some (strange) reason, the proxy settings do not get propagated to whatever I run under sudo. |
| 20:44.36 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: i try to avoid touch pads altogether, because they suck :) |
| 20:44.58 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, well, they suck in linux for the most part; but they are getting better |
| 20:44.59 | SerajewelKS | diggi: oh, interesting... i thought apt itself stored proxy preferences somewhere |
| 20:45.10 | diggi | It does, if you tell it do. |
| 20:45.25 | diggi | SerajewelKS: I was expecting it to use $http_proxy |
| 20:45.25 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: on *any* box i hate touchpads, at least compared to mice. they are very awkward and prolonged usage makes my fingers very sore. |
| 20:45.36 | diggi | SerajewelKS: Which it does not. |
| 20:45.46 | SerajewelKS | diggi: oh. yeah, sudo tends to be very strict about what env vars it lets through. |
| 20:45.52 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, that just means you suck :p |
| 20:46.35 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: well, you know how those people who played the "glass piano" or whatever it was gradually lost all feeling in their fingertips... touchpads do the same thing if you use them a lot |
| 20:46.38 | nsadmin | yeah, touchpads and mice pretty much suck compared to trackballs... they don't have to move |
| 20:46.53 | ereh | there wouldn't happen to be a virtualenv guru here? |
| 20:47.02 | benjamindees | feeling in fingertips is overrated.. |
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| 20:47.27 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: i have a friend who swears by trackballs. i've never used one, but i can't imagine left4dead is very easy to play with one. maybe that's why i always beat him. |
| 20:47.47 | stuckey | What people need is a vertical mouse |
| 20:48.16 | AimHere | Won't people's arms get tired? That was what killed the lightpen fad of the early 1980 |
| 20:48.19 | AimHere | 1980s |
| 20:48.20 | benjamindees | oh, yeah if I'm playing a game I use an optical mouse, but that's rare |
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| 20:48.23 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: your arm would get hella tired using one of those |
| 20:48.44 | SerajewelKS | same reason i think windows 7 multitouch is going to fall flat on its face |
| 20:48.47 | stuckey | No, I mean: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826141003&cm_re=vertical_mouse-_-26-141-003-_-Product |
| 20:49.37 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: oh, that's an interesting contraption |
| 20:50.10 | benjamindees | surely you've realized by now that the point of MS innovation isn't *use*, but shiny sales gimmicks.. |
| 20:50.12 | SerajewelKS | i still get sore more from typing though, and i use dvorak already, so... mouse isn't my primary concern yet |
| 20:50.33 | stuckey | If you have wrist pain... it can be due to how you hold a regular mouse. It does put your hand in an awkward positon. Turning your hand to the side of the mouse, lying the wrist bone on the mouse pad so that you are in a hand-shake position, can take the strain away. |
| 20:51.13 | nooper | any side effects? |
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| 20:51.26 | tempuser | how safe is it to run kernels from backports.org in lenny? |
| 20:51.46 | wols | "safe" in what way? |
| 20:51.48 | SerajewelKS | tempuser: that depends on how you define "safe". but for most senses, it should be fine. |
| 20:51.54 | tempuser | stability |
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| 20:52.11 | wols | none I'd say |
| 20:52.20 | SerajewelKS | tempuser: stability should be fairly ok... security updates might not be as timely as debian stable though. |
| 20:52.21 | tempuser | i've got a pesky kernel bug that i'm hoping a newer kernel fixes |
| 20:52.26 | wols | ie the chances to go boon are about equal for lenny or for bpo kernels |
| 20:53.20 | tempuser | for clarity: do they security updates from lenny eventually make it into bpo kernels? |
| 20:54.00 | SerajewelKS | tempuser: no, because bpo kernels are newer than lenny kernels |
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| 20:54.15 | SerajewelKS | tempuser: that's like asking if security updates for lenny kernels make it into squeeze |
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| 20:55.03 | tempuser | i gotcha. 2.6.26 pataches may not necessarily be present or needed in 2.6.30. right? |
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| 20:55.57 | SerajewelKS | tempuser: right. and the bpo team and the DSA team might not actually overlap at all. so basically, security updates to bpo may be faster, slower, or not happen at all. |
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| 20:56.12 | tempuser | perfect. thanks for the clarification. |
| 20:56.14 | SerajewelKS | tempuser: whereas updates to stable are usually pretty timely |
| 20:56.40 | benjamindees | um, no |
| 20:56.50 | tempuser | well, perhaps i don't even need to use a bpo kernel...can someone can shed some light on this? |
| 20:56.51 | benjamindees | backports are taken from testing, not unstable |
| 20:57.00 | tempuser | SKB BUG: Invalid truesize (244) len=66, sizeof(sk_buff)=180 |
| 20:57.01 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: when did i say anything about unstable |
| 20:57.31 | tempuser | only happens when openvpn is running at a decent clip. |
| 20:57.44 | stuckey | Anyone here know how to make a flv from an avi with ffmpeg? |
| 20:57.57 | stuckey | I get an error: ffmpeg -i raw_MVI_0208.avi -ab 128 first.flv |
| 20:58.03 | stuckey | Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height |
| 20:58.17 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, er, sorry confused lenny/testing. the point is that bpo kernels get security patches. |
| 20:58.37 | benjamindees | they just aren't updated very often |
| 20:58.39 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: of course. i'm simply stating that the timliness of them is not as guaranteed as updates to stable. |
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| 20:58.51 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: so we are saying the same thing, you just think i'm wrong for some reason |
| 20:59.07 | tempuser | benjamindees: i'm picking up what yer layn'n down |
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| 20:59.17 | tempuser | SerajewelKS: u too |
| 20:59.19 | tempuser | ;) |
| 20:59.34 | nsadmin | picks up what you're layn down... |
| 20:59.37 | nsadmin | GIN! |
| 20:59.57 | tempuser | nsadmin: the card game or the drink? |
| 21:00.20 | SerajewelKS | !fgi stuckey ffmpeg convert avi to flv |
| 21:00.20 | dpkg | stuckey: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ffmpeg convert avi to flv |
| 21:01.55 | tempuser | damn the SKB BUG! damn it to HELL! |
| 21:02.08 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: i get a bazillion results for that search, surely one of them is relevant |
| 21:02.15 | tempuser | pesky little sucker.....freezes up the interface every now and again. |
| 21:02.26 | stuckey | SerajewelKS: I told you, I always get an error |
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| 21:04.26 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: this first result looks pretty useful: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-user/2006-July/003549.html |
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| 21:07.13 | SerajewelKS | stuckey: but i'm done searching google for you. with the number of results i get back from that query, surely one of them will help you. i'm not about to be your google proxy. |
| 21:07.26 | DasEi | Where can I get compat-ioctl32 (module) ? neither could find it in apt nor in google |
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| 21:08.14 | stuckey | doesn't want google knowing what he searches for |
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| 21:08.33 | azeem | stuckey: that's your problem then |
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| 21:09.13 | cahoot | use bing? |
| 21:09.15 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: it looks like that module is present in the 2.6.32 kernels |
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| 21:09.57 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: and on 2.6.26 (lenny) i have that module too. which kernel are you using? |
| 21:10.02 | DasEi | SerajewelKS: then lsmod shols show it ? |
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| 21:10.20 | titan8990 | DasEi: get the pciid for the device and do: /msg judd pciid <pciid> |
| 21:10.30 | DasEi | SerajewelKS: 2.6.31-17-generic |
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| 21:10.35 | titan8990 | DasEi: judd will tell you which kernels can provide the module |
| 21:10.41 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: no, it's not loaded, but the module is present and i could load it with modprobe if i wanted to |
| 21:10.45 | titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 21:10.45 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 21:10.54 | titan8990 | DasEi: thats not debian... |
| 21:11.30 | DasEi | titan8990: I ask here because I found on a forum that debian provides that module, to be used in an ubuntu-howto I got |
| 21:11.56 | JohnWittle | Considering switching to debian; is wireless on an eeepc901ha likely to work out of the box? AR5001 Atheros wireless card. |
| 21:12.32 | titan8990 | DasEi: yes, and we love to support ubuntu... |
| 21:12.46 | DasEi | SerajewelKS: any ideas where can d/l it ? |
| 21:12.50 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: many ubuntu packages come straight from debian. but that doesn't mean that debian is supported. |
| 21:13.02 | titan8990 | JohnWittle: lenny does have the ath5k drivers, can't comment on whether or not they work OTB for that card |
| 21:13.17 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: you download it as part of a kernel package. if your kernel package doesn't provide it, install a different kernel. and also ask #ubuntu instead. |
| 21:13.24 | benjamindees | JohnWittle, it's likely to work once it's installed, but not necessarily during installation |
| 21:13.41 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: if you download the module and it's built against a kernel that's even slightly different, your system will shit all over itself |
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| 21:14.45 | DasEi | SerajewelKS: alright then, so will stop here then |
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| 21:16.54 | SerajewelKS | DasEi: also it might be worth trying 'modprobe compat-ioctl32' just to see if the module is there and just isn't loaded |
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| 21:19.54 | DasEi | SerajewelKS: strange, ubuntu's bot is telling me it's in my kernel, but message keeps saying, fatal ~ not found, trying some more (and yes I was on google, three others sit there, to ) |
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| 21:20.08 | DasEi | too* |
| 21:21.07 | titan8990 | DasEi: you should ask the ubuntu support channel about that |
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| 21:21.33 | arezey | anybody aware why is there no meshlab in the repositories? |
| 21:21.58 | azeem | arezey: what do you need it for? |
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| 21:22.04 | UukGoblin | hi |
| 21:22.05 | DasEi | titan8990: I really don't want to annoy, but (of course ) did already |
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| 21:22.30 | arezey | well i'm intending to try see if it can convert this model file of mine from obj to md2 |
| 21:22.41 | titan8990 | !wnpp |
| 21:22.41 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 21:22.56 | arezey | right, will go look |
| 21:23.00 | azeem | arezey: it's in testing and unstable |
| 21:23.06 | arezey | ah i see |
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| 21:23.26 | jiajia | can anyone show me how to make the wireless work in gnome graphic interface please |
| 21:23.29 | jiajia | great help |
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| 21:24.04 | UukGoblin | this is becoming really annoying... how do I disable switching framebuffer console on? vga=normal during boot doesn't help. It looks like the framebuffer is activated somewhere in the init scripts because when I say init=/bin/sh the console doesn't go to fb until I run 'exec /sbin/init' and I leave init running for a while. I also can't seem to be able to disable it in kernel, when configuring it only allows me to choose between 'Y' and 'm |
| 21:24.41 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: you have compiled a custom kernel? |
| 21:24.48 | arezey | thanks azeem and titan8990 |
| 21:24.51 | UukGoblin | titan8990, no, using debian's 2.6.32 |
| 21:24.54 | jiajia | hope someone would respons me |
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| 21:25.01 | wols | jiajia: what wlan chip? is the wlan working normally outside of gnome? |
| 21:25.32 | UukGoblin | it never used to enable framebuffer until I upgraded xserver-xorg-input-wacom, which in turn upgraded some other xorg packages |
| 21:25.39 | jiajia | it works with windows |
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| 21:25.48 | wols | jiajia: did I ask about windows? |
| 21:25.51 | jiajia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.06 | SerajewelKS | wols: "outside of gnome" *is* a little ambiguous :) |
| 21:26.08 | jiajia | sorry i only use gnome |
| 21:26.10 | wols | jiajia: does lspci display it? |
| 21:26.16 | jiajia | yeah |
| 21:26.28 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: try adding fb=false to your defoptions |
| 21:26.38 | jiajia | wols:Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN |
| 21:26.46 | UukGoblin | (and I want to try disabling the framebuffer because xorg stopped working using the 'intel' module, it only works using 'fbdev' now, which I don't want, because it doesn't support xrandr rotation) |
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| 21:27.01 | titan8990 | broadcom is a PITA, people should do research *before* buying hardware... |
| 21:27.02 | SerajewelKS | ah, the bcm4311 chipset. i had a hell of a time getting that to work on lenny. |
| 21:27.20 | SerajewelKS | i think i had to build madwifi from source or some shit like that |
| 21:27.21 | DasEi | why can't I modprobe compat-ioctl32 ? it's in the kernel ( well, should be, as the bot says) |
| 21:27.26 | UukGoblin | titan8990, where's defoptions? |
| 21:27.28 | jiajia | so it won't work |
| 21:27.29 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: alright, give my suggestion a try |
| 21:27.30 | wols | !tell jiajia about b43 |
| 21:27.32 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: menu.lst |
| 21:27.37 | DasEi | sry, wrong chan |
| 21:27.42 | jiajia | wols: so it won't work |
| 21:27.50 | UukGoblin | oh, there |
| 21:27.59 | wols | jiajia: it will work. but as titan8990 broadcom is just plain evil |
| 21:28.07 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: and make sure you run update-grub afterwards or it won't recreate the menu entries with your defoptions |
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| 21:28.14 | wols | jiajia: it will work but it will not be as easy as it could be |
| 21:28.16 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: you should not edit the kernel lines directly as it will give update-grub issues |
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| 21:28.31 | UukGoblin | I think I'm using my own menu.lst anyway |
| 21:28.40 | UukGoblin | trying... |
| 21:28.51 | marcin_ | Hi, does any have a problem with running nessus on Lenny? Nessus frezees. :/ Have you had similar problem? |
| 21:29.02 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: then you can change however you want, but when a new kernel is installed/upgraded its not going to automagically configure menu.lst |
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| 21:29.16 | nsadmin | UukGoblin: you can add the magic stuff to it |
| 21:29.34 | SerajewelKS | grub-pc makes this a whole lot more painless too |
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| 21:30.39 | jiajia | wols: but where can i know how it works |
| 21:31.17 | wols | jiajia: did you read the message you got? |
| 21:31.34 | jiajia | wols: what about this one : intel corporation pro/wireless 2200BG (calexico2) |
| 21:31.36 | jiajia | yeah |
| 21:31.56 | jiajia | do u know about that |
| 21:32.09 | azeem | jiajia: what do you want to know about it? |
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| 21:32.30 | jiajia | azeem: if the wireless work with that chipset |
| 21:32.30 | wols | !tell jiajia about ipw2200 |
| 21:32.36 | wols | it will |
| 21:32.41 | wols | it will work with either |
| 21:32.43 | nsadmin | UukGoblin: but there's a lot to add...you'll need the two lines that signify the beginning and end of the automatic kernel section, and the commented parameters |
| 21:33.08 | jiajia | wols: would u teach me how to make the ipw2200 work |
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| 21:33.13 | UukGoblin | well I tried appending fb=false to the 'kernel' directive but this didn't work |
| 21:33.18 | jiajia | the wireless millions thanks |
| 21:33.53 | UukGoblin | nsadmin, well I'm used to editing menu.lst by hand... |
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| 21:34.00 | UukGoblin | dunno how it works with wrapper scripts |
| 21:34.22 | titan8990 | jiajia: post the results of the command: uname -r |
| 21:34.48 | nsadmin | of course it's up to you... just know that installing a kernel package will attempt to alter the menu.lst |
| 21:35.11 | jiajia | titan8990 : 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
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| 21:35.16 | UukGoblin | nsadmin, thanks, backed it up :-] |
| 21:35.24 | karlpinc | I have hosed my X session. The window borders/titlebar/scrollbars draw. The mouse moves. Nothing else responds. I did it by opening iceweasel on a remote host via ssh -Y and going to a web page that ran java, which sent the "spinning java wheels" that spun(ish) slowly for a while. I've since killed the iceweasel process. Anything else I can do to recover? |
| 21:36.14 | jiajia | titan8990 : i mean the wlan is not working for my debian gnome |
| 21:36.22 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: haha, well that's a bummer |
| 21:36.32 | UukGoblin | titan8990, so was your point to have something like this in menu.lst?: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-blabla root=/dev/bla fb=false |
| 21:36.34 | jiajia | wols: would u teach me how to make the ipw2200 work |
| 21:36.41 | UukGoblin | cause if yes, then it didn't help :-( |
| 21:36.53 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I wouldn't care much but I've unsaved changes in dia. |
| 21:37.08 | titan8990 | nsadmin: from my experience if you edit an uncomment section of menu.lst, update-grub will not modify it |
| 21:37.22 | titan8990 | nsadmin: I mean will not modify the file at all |
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| 21:38.00 | wols | jiajia: is there a reason why you cannot try on your own? |
| 21:38.17 | jiajia | i am tying but wouldn't find it |
| 21:38.29 | titan8990 | jiajia: post the results of the command: `uname -r` please |
| 21:38.30 | wols | titan8990: uncomment what? why would you do that? |
| 21:38.45 | wols | jiajia: how do you know if you haven't tried? |
| 21:38.59 | titan8990 | wols: I am saying if you edit the kernel line for example, instead of defopts |
| 21:39.06 | titan8990 | wols: not remove the comments |
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| 21:39.21 | nsadmin | titan8990: oh, isn't there an md5sum for the file which if match, it will alter it? |
| 21:39.25 | jiajia | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 21:39.37 | jiajia | wols: it tried for 4 hours |
| 21:39.40 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: it's a shame you can't kill it with some signal :/ |
| 21:39.45 | titan8990 | nsadmin: not sure how exactly it works, just giving my experience |
| 21:39.48 | jiajia | iqw2200 |
| 21:39.50 | karlpinc | I had noticed a bit of lag in the keyboard, but it went away when I switched to another virtual window. At this point I've waited about 15 minutes and it does not seem like it's going to recover. |
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| 21:39.52 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: i forget if dia uses some backup-autosave-ish feature |
| 21:40.02 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: I don't think so. |
| 21:40.08 | titan8990 | jiajia: squeeze/sid is not for inexperienced users |
| 21:40.31 | UukGoblin | is this defopts / defoptions a grub directive, or something used by wrapper scripts? |
| 21:40.40 | jiajia | titan8990: what is that mean sir |
| 21:40.49 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: its used by the update-grub script |
| 21:41.11 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: squeeze will use /etc/default/grub instead |
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| 21:41.24 | karlpinc | Something is hanging, and when I switch back to the console running X there's crud in the top 5 or 10 rows of pixels. |
| 21:41.32 | UukGoblin | right, so it probably appends to the 'kernel' directive anyway |
| 21:41.43 | UukGoblin | any ideas why I can't disable it in kernel config? |
| 21:42.02 | wols | UukGoblin: because something else depends on it I'd say |
| 21:42.24 | UukGoblin | it says it's selected by DRM_KMS_HELPER && HAS_IOMEM && DRM |
| 21:42.37 | ukine | trying to add /var/www/ to samba using http://www.howtoforge.com/debian-lenny-standalone-server-with-tdbsam-backend . is there anything i should be doing different in the [allusers] section for apache2 to be able to access the files that are put there thru samba? accessing a file comes up forbidden |
| 21:42.44 | UukGoblin | I need DRM, and I've no idea if I can unselect KMS_HELPER and HAS_IOMEM from menuconfig at all :-S |
| 21:42.56 | ukine | but the index works |
| 21:43.10 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: why not use the stock debian kernel? |
| 21:43.52 | UukGoblin | titan8990, well to work around the fact that I don't know how to disable framebuffer |
| 21:44.02 | wols | ukine: look into create mode and directory mode for your share |
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| 21:44.06 | UukGoblin | I thought, if I disabled it in kernel, no script or anything would switch it on |
| 21:44.14 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: blacklisting the modules should be as effective as removing support from the kernel |
| 21:44.26 | UukGoblin | thing is, it doesn't seem to load any module |
| 21:44.38 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: anyways, this would be an example of what to remove: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 21:44.41 | UukGoblin | lsmod | grep fb # returns nothing |
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| 21:45.05 | karlpinc | I guess it's time to restart X and do-over. :-P |
| 21:45.06 | titan8990 | UukGoblin: modprobe -l | grep fb |
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| 21:45.54 | UukGoblin | titan8990, hmm, that lists all the framebuffer modules I have |
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| 21:46.55 | UukGoblin | and that gentoo manual focuses more on enabling the framebuffer rather than disabling it... I tried this vga=nofb they suggested but grub says 'error while parsing number' when I try to use it |
| 21:47.24 | karlpinc_ | Sweet. I killed the ssh -Y session and the whole thing recovered! |
| 21:47.26 | wols | grub doesn't parse kernel parameters |
| 21:47.48 | UukGoblin | wols, so you'd think... :-] |
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| 21:48.42 | wols | you can write gobbledygook in the kernel parameters and grub doesn't give a shit. at most, it will complain if the line is over a certain size, that's all |
| 21:48.59 | UukGoblin | Error 23: Error while parsing number |
| 21:49.18 | UukGoblin | that's GRUB 0.97 |
| 21:49.38 | UukGoblin | and works like a charm if I say vga=normal instead of vga=nofb |
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| 21:49.54 | UukGoblin | I was surprised as well. |
| 21:50.10 | UukGoblin | I think the vga= argument is a bit special... it definitely was special in lilo |
| 21:50.28 | craigevil | UukGoblin: lsmod|grep 'rivafb\|vesafb\|nvidiafb' then blacklist any fb module that is being used |
| 21:50.45 | UukGoblin | craigevil, lsmod | grep fb doesn't return anything |
| 21:50.51 | UukGoblin | no rivafb, vesafb nor nvidiafb |
| 21:50.59 | UukGoblin | I'm guessing it must be compiled in the kernel |
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| 21:53.51 | UukGoblin | I grepped for 'fb' /etc/init.d, also looked for it inside initrd and even tried recreating initrd (the --format='newc' to cpio was tricky) without scripts/init-top/framebuffer |
| 21:53.56 | UukGoblin | didn't find / didn't help |
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| 21:57.26 | nsadmin | cpio? what did you need that for? |
| 21:57.44 | UukGoblin | nsadmin, recreating initrd ;-) |
| 21:57.44 | nsadmin | oh, initrds use cpio now? |
| 21:57.49 | UukGoblin | yes :-) |
| 21:58.28 | UukGoblin | but only ones created with --format='newc' |
| 21:58.40 | UukGoblin | (and then gzipped) |
| 21:58.54 | nsadmin | oh ok... and grub/lilo would read cpio newcs? |
| 21:59.02 | UukGoblin | yup |
| 21:59.05 | UukGoblin | tried with grub |
| 21:59.15 | UukGoblin | haven't used lilo in about a decade.. |
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| 21:59.54 | nsadmin | same here... but when I did learn about how it worked, that was a good read |
| 21:59.58 | SerajewelKS | i used to use lilo, only a few years ago. i liked its simple configuration. |
| 22:00.20 | UukGoblin | when I saw grub's command-line, I fell in love with it immediately. |
| 22:00.30 | jhutchins_lt | I think grub2 is gonna send a lot of people back to lilo. |
| 22:00.37 | zleap | back when istarted with linux it was either lilo or loadlin (from dos) |
| 22:00.49 | SerajewelKS | but i've had enough reconfiguration to appreciate grub's ability to edit boot stanzas on-the-fly. has saved me from booting the installer in rescue mode many times. |
| 22:00.52 | UukGoblin | yeah, I've just noticed some packages for grub2... wonder how that works |
| 22:01.11 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i use grub2 right now and i don't understand why you would say that |
| 22:01.22 | nsadmin | grub1 has that one issue where it has trouble booting things in a filesystem that isn't in any partition |
| 22:01.43 | UukGoblin | like, LVM? |
| 22:01.48 | UukGoblin | and that works in grub2? |
| 22:01.49 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I was trying to update a grub2 configuration and I got totally lost in all the config files. |
| 22:02.05 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: i think nsadmin might mean formatted drives with no partitions |
| 22:02.12 | nsadmin | well you can still put an lvm pv in a partition |
| 22:02.13 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: e.g. where you mount /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdaN |
| 22:02.15 | UukGoblin | oh |
| 22:02.20 | UukGoblin | right |
| 22:02.34 | UukGoblin | grub1 also wasn't great with netboot, pxelinux is much better |
| 22:02.48 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: it didn't take me too long to figure out. i like it better anyway. makes it easier to add custom entries for other OSes with some magic. |
| 22:02.53 | nsadmin | no, I mean where you put an ext2 (say) that covers the whole drive and does not use a partition table entry (i.e., sda as opposed to sda2) |
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| 22:03.25 | UukGoblin | I guess kernel (hd0)/vmlinuz doesn't work then |
| 22:03.35 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Maybe I was just having a bad day, but I still think it's unnecessarily complex. |
| 22:03.53 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS: yeah, I help a guy for like 2 days, finally sent him to grub2 or back to lilo |
| 22:03.54 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: it is what some people might call bloat, but what i call flexibility and future-proofing |
| 22:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Then agian, I'm going off of a kubuntu setup, they may have been responsible for the confusion. |
| 22:04.29 | nsadmin | you should future proof like there's no tomorrow! |
| 22:04.32 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: then again, i use gnome and OOo, so i'm not that worried about bloat :) |
| 22:04.36 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I'd be one who calls it bloat, and calls it solving problems that the majority of users don't have for just a few special ones. |
| 22:04.45 | UukGoblin | do you perhaps have any idea why updating some xorg modules would switch on my framebuffer all of a sudden? |
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| 22:05.04 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: nah, i don't agree. note that, for example, updating grub will find any windows installations that may have moved around |
| 22:05.34 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: aside from d-i, that magic didn't exist before and you'd have to tweak those entries by hand. which is fine, if you like to do that. i would rather my system detect stuff that it can detect. |
| 22:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, why does firefox depend on libsqllite? |
| 22:06.04 | UukGoblin | jhutchins_lt, new firefoxes use sqlite for storing stuff like bookmarks and probably history too |
| 22:06.09 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i think for html5 javascript storage objects |
| 22:06.17 | SerajewelKS | or what UukGoblin said |
| 22:06.22 | SerajewelKS | (but probably both) |
| 22:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: I like manual by default, automatic optional. |
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| 22:07.10 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i prefer the other way around, so i can get maximum control if i want it but generally don't have to give a fuck about what's happening over there |
| 22:07.20 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: if you want manual by default, you'd be using slackware anyway |
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| 22:07.41 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, problem with slackware is compiling software takes ages |
| 22:07.45 | SerajewelKS | which i used for about 2 hours and then ditched because i was tired of tweaking every damn thing in /etc by hand instead of the distro providing reasonable defaults |
| 22:07.47 | UukGoblin | and upgrading it really sucks too |
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| 22:08.05 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: that's the least of the problems i found with slackware :) |
| 22:08.06 | UukGoblin | I don't mind the initial config tweaking by hand |
| 22:08.23 | UukGoblin | at least slack's configs are much easier to tweak ;-) |
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| 22:08.37 | SerajewelKS | i don't find debian's configs very difficult to tweak at all |
| 22:08.53 | SerajewelKS | as long as you're willing to take 5 minutes to see how it's different, and why it's different |
| 22:08.55 | UukGoblin | it's taking me ridiculously long to find what enables this bloody framebuffer |
| 22:09.02 | laurus | I'm trying to pass in a directory path to a bash script and use it sort of as follows: for f in `ls $1/*.jpg`; echo $f ... what is the correct syntax for that ls part? |
| 22:09.28 | SerajewelKS | and i find that usually those differences make sense. e.g. apache2's module/sites config is damn nice, though it is very different from other distros. |
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| 22:09.52 | SerajewelKS | laurus: if the dir has a space in it then you want "$1"/*.jpg |
| 22:09.57 | UukGoblin | laurus, for foo in `bla`; do echo $foo; something; done |
| 22:09.58 | SerajewelKS | laurus: otherwise, it looks fine to me |
| 22:10.08 | SerajewelKS | laurus: except you are missing the "do" part of the block |
| 22:10.37 | SerajewelKS | laurus: but note that invoking ls is likely to whine bitterly when you have spaces in filenames too |
| 22:10.43 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, yes, it's pretty OK once I *do* learn the difference |
| 22:10.48 | SerajewelKS | laurus: you really want for f in "$1"/*.jpg; do ...; done |
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| 22:11.37 | nsadmin | lsd: can't find a, can't find bunch. can't find of, can |
| 22:11.42 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: nod, i find the investment to learn the difference is well worth it, since the rationale behind the difference is usually well-thought-out |
| 22:11.46 | nsadmin | 't find pr0n |
| 22:11.51 | laurus | Thanks SerajewelKS that's way better. |
| 22:12.05 | SerajewelKS | laurus: np |
| 22:12.19 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, can you recommend a way for me to learn how to disable this bloody framebuffer? :-] |
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| 22:13.43 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: nope, i don't build my own kernels very much anymore. used to on redhat, when that was the only way to get decent hardware support. |
| 22:14.03 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: i've only done it once or twice on debian, and i don't have to anymore since the -trunk packages were added |
| 22:14.10 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, no, I didn't build my kernel either |
| 22:14.19 | jhutchins_lt | UukGoblin: What's wrong with modifying the kernel parameters? |
| 22:14.22 | nsadmin | what |
| 22:14.25 | UukGoblin | I usually do, but not often in debian |
| 22:14.30 | nsadmin | is the significance of trunk? |
| 22:14.31 | UukGoblin | jhutchins_lt, what parameters? |
| 22:14.35 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: oh, then i misunderstood you. no, i don't know... perhaps try uninstalling the fbdev xorg video driver? maybe it pulled something in? |
| 22:14.39 | jhutchins_lt | UukGoblin: The boot parameters. |
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| 22:15.00 | UukGoblin | jhutchins_lt, I tried vga=normal, grub rejects vga=nofb and I also tried fb=false, nothing worked. |
| 22:15.12 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: run aptitude and look at the depends for xserver-xorg-video-fbdev. maybe it depends or recommends something that is forcing the kernel to enter fb mode. |
| 22:15.13 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, let me try that... |
| 22:15.31 | laurus | SerajewelKS, another stupid question... how do I strip off the directory in front of the filename if I want to? |
| 22:15.42 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't appear to over here.. but maybe remove it if it's installed and see what happens |
| 22:15.45 | nsadmin | dirname? |
| 22:15.53 | nsadmin | basenema |
| 22:15.56 | nsadmin | name |
| 22:16.10 | nsadmin | look at those two |
| 22:16.12 | mischief | why isnt avidemux in main? D: |
| 22:16.19 | SerajewelKS | laurus: basename if you don't want *any* directory components at all |
| 22:16.29 | UukGoblin | laurus, learn to use find ;-) |
| 22:16.39 | nsadmin | usually that would be legal problems |
| 22:16.40 | UukGoblin | or, basename is cool too ;-] |
| 22:16.41 | laurus | Thanks :) |
| 22:16.45 | SerajewelKS | mischief: probably patent concerns |
| 22:17.24 | SerajewelKS | mischief: or maybe i misunderstand you. i know that virtualdub got bullied into removing ASF support. maybe that's what i'm thinking of. pay no attention to me. :) |
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| 22:17.43 | mischief | lol |
| 22:18.04 | SerajewelKS | mischief: avidemux is in debian-multimedia though |
| 22:18.04 | mischief | all i want is good easy to use software to split, join, cut and convert some videos |
| 22:18.22 | SerajewelKS | !tell mischief about debian-multimedia |
| 22:18.27 | mischief | yes yes i read it |
| 22:18.35 | mischief | i just wanted to know why avidemux wasnt in main |
| 22:18.50 | mischief | i usually try to avoid non-official repos |
| 22:19.01 | SerajewelKS | mischief: the factoid dpkg told you answers that question |
| 22:19.16 | SerajewelKS | "not in Debian for patent-related reasons" -- so i guess i /was/ right :) |
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| 22:20.46 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, hmm, uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, and framebuffer is still being switched on |
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| 22:20.55 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: guess that wasn't it then |
| 22:21.04 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: that's as much as i can help :) |
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| 22:21.29 | mischief | -_- installing avidemux will remove vlc *and* mplayer |
| 22:21.34 | mischief | screw you dependency resolver |
| 22:21.35 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: well, which package did you install that caused this to go bananas? |
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| 22:21.57 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, upgraded xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 22:21.59 | SerajewelKS | mischief: you could always set up a chroot for it |
| 22:22.09 | UukGoblin | cause my tablet was going crazy, so I thought to try a new version |
| 22:22.20 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: lenny or squeeze |
| 22:22.25 | UukGoblin | from 0.8.something to experimental 0.10.something |
| 22:22.29 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, oh, no, sid. :-] |
| 22:22.37 | deed02392 | I'm looking for a backup solution with which I'll be able to create an image of all disk partitions on my Debian server and then download them as a backup. Basically I'm switching service providers for my dedicated server and need to get all the data from one server to the other. |
| 22:22.39 | UukGoblin | it had experimental in the sources.list for a while too ;-] |
| 22:23.05 | deed02392 | Can anyone recommend some software for Debian which is capable of creating an image of the disk? |
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| 22:23.10 | SerajewelKS | UukGoblin: did it upgrade xorg? |
| 22:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | deed02392: Something like dd? |
| 22:23.24 | nsadmin | deed02392: you can tar-stream them across |
| 22:23.40 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: usually, either tar them or use dd from a live cd |
| 22:23.41 | UukGoblin | SerajewelKS, yes |
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| 22:23.57 | UukGoblin | it seemed to upgrade a lot of xorg-* packages, nearly all of them |
| 22:23.58 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: you can't use dd to create a proper disk image when the system is running itself, for obvious reasons |
| 22:23.59 | UukGoblin | I have a log somewhere... |
| 22:24.00 | deed02392 | Well, I don't have physical access to the server |
| 22:24.06 | nsadmin | you don't need to save the tarball even |
| 22:24.26 | deed02392 | Also, there's going to be a delay between having the new server and the old server going offline |
| 22:24.34 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: then disk images are out. you can do something along the lines of 'tar / | ssh user@otherbox tar -x' |
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| 22:24.38 | nick[0] | when configure WPA in /etc/network/interfaces: in wpa-psk passwordgoeshere, what form should passwordgoeshere take? I've been using wpa_passphrase SSID passphrase to generate this argument. Is this still correct? |
| 22:24.39 | jhutchins_lt | deed02392: partition level imaging of mounted filesystems is not recommended, you might want to look at rdiff-backup. |
| 22:24.43 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: though you'll need more options to tar than that, and probably a cd |
| 22:25.43 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: the only time it's safe to take an image of mounted filesystems is when they are mounted read-only. in every other case, your images will almost certainly be corrupted. |
| 22:25.44 | deed02392 | Hmm, it's difficult, as I'm not sure of everything I'm going to need, and probably won't find out until it's too late. |
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| 22:26.14 | RayzrShrp | so how does one go about getting java installed into iceweasel? |
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| 22:26.25 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel? |
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| 22:26.32 | RayzrShrp | searched google and every site has a different set of instructions |
| 22:26.38 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: 32bit |
| 22:26.53 | deed02392 | What's the best option considering mounting the partitions read-only is not an option? |
| 22:27.02 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: lenny or squeeze? |
| 22:27.07 | nsadmin | !java |
| 22:27.07 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:27.14 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: lenny |
| 22:27.16 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: probably tarring / to a remote volume |
| 22:27.31 | SerajewelKS | !tell RayzrShrp about install java |
| 22:27.33 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: then do that :) |
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| 22:27.57 | deed02392 | using a command like this tar / | ssh user@otherbox tar -x ? |
| 22:28.07 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: crap im using securecrt and irssi and i can't use alt+4 to get to that window |
| 22:28.09 | nsadmin | right |
| 22:28.13 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: if you really want java then don't upgrade to a 64-bit kernel, since it's been some 6+ years and sun still hasn't created a 64-bit nsplugin for java |
| 22:28.23 | deed02392 | Why is tar used in that command twice? |
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| 22:28.37 | nsadmin | one produces a stream, the other consumes it |
| 22:28.39 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: on the local end to create the archive, on the remote end to extract it |
| 22:28.45 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: can you tell me if this site works for you? speedtest.charter.com |
| 22:28.52 | dondelelcaro | deed02392: if you're using lvm, you can take snapshots of the partitions and dd them, but even then, there's no guarnatee that the applications that are running have the filesystem in a reasonable state |
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| 22:29.07 | SerajewelKS | deed02392: if you don't want to extract it then you can use scp i think... tar / | scp - user@server:backup.tar |
| 22:29.10 | elik | humpf! 5 weeks away from home on debian testing is painful when you coe back |
| 22:29.15 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: does it load or say you need a plugin installed |
| 22:29.33 | deed02392 | dondelelcaro, lvm? |
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| 22:29.38 | babilen | elik: any problems? or just stating the fact? :) |
| 22:29.45 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: why does my results matter to you? if it doesn't work for you then it doesn't work for you. |
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| 22:30.07 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: im curios if a properly installed machine works on that site |
| 22:30.16 | elik | babilen, a lot of weird messages, but the installation did not complete yet. So as of right now, simply stating the fact |
| 22:30.25 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: it works on my windows box, yes |
| 22:30.33 | babilen | elik: let us know when you run into problems |
| 22:30.39 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: yeah i know it works on windows |
| 22:30.47 | elik | babilen, will sure do :) |
| 22:30.51 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: curious about firefox or iceweasel under debian |
| 22:30.52 | nsadmin | !install java |
| 22:30.52 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 22:31.03 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: i use 64-bit debian, so i do not have a java plugin |
| 22:31.08 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: since sun sucks ass |
| 22:31.11 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: works fine here it uses Flash |
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| 22:31.30 | RayzrShrp | craigevil: weird i have flash installed and working but that site doesnt load |
| 22:31.43 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: the site loads java for a few seconds and then unloads it |
| 22:32.00 | SerajewelKS | perhaps it uses java to detect flash, or some other monstrosity of a contraption |
| 22:32.01 | nevyn | isn't sung-java6-plugin free these days? |
| 22:32.10 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: it looks like java but when you right click on the test its flash |
| 22:32.19 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: free doesn't matter dick when they don't provide a 64-bit plugin. at least for me. :) |
| 22:32.30 | craigevil | might be doing something weird like using java to load flash |
| 22:32.33 | RayzrShrp | craigevil: so i dont need java? it failed to work and my flash is working |
| 22:32.50 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: how about just using speedtest.net or something |
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| 22:33.02 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: try using http://www.speedtest.net/ |
| 22:33.10 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: this is my companies speedtest server |
| 22:33.11 | SerajewelKS | usually when a site says "we require java!" the first thing i think is "ok, i'll find another site for this" |
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| 22:33.14 | nevyn | running your web browser in 64bit is just filled with fail in all sorts of ways (despite it being the single app that could most benefit from more than 4gig of ram) |
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| 22:33.37 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: the only fail i've found is java. everything else seems to work just fine. |
| 22:33.47 | nevyn | video codecs |
| 22:33.57 | RayzrShrp | so once java is installed do i need to do anything special to get iceweasel to use it? |
| 22:34.07 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: i usually watch video in a proper video player, so meh :) |
| 22:34.11 | polpak | How would I go about debugging a kernel segfault? |
| 22:34.13 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: restart it |
| 22:34.16 | karlpinc | RayzrShrp: Yes. There's also a plugin package. |
| 22:34.26 | nevyn | polpak: a kernel panic? |
| 22:34.30 | polpak | Nope |
| 22:34.33 | polpak | segfault |
| 22:34.36 | nevyn | polpak: or a segfault where it recovered? |
| 22:34.37 | RayzrShrp | karlpinc: is that in non-free |
| 22:34.42 | polpak | nope, it reboots |
| 22:34.49 | nevyn | oh a PANIC. |
| 22:35.01 | karlpinc | RayzrShrp: In lenny with java6 yes. |
| 22:35.04 | polpak | doesn't say panic, just goes boom, and it's POSTing again |
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| 22:35.19 | karlpinc | RayzrShrp: sun-java6 |
| 22:35.24 | polpak | occasionally it'll manage to put "exiting on signal 15" in the messages |
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| 22:35.35 | RayzrShrp | karlpinc: so just apt-get install sun-java6 |
| 22:35.35 | polpak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.45 | polpak | before it bounces |
| 22:35.52 | polpak | but usually nothing |
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| 22:36.03 | karlpinc | RayzrShrp: Yes, but also a *java6*plugin sorta package. I forget. |
| 22:36.07 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 22:36.20 | RayzrShrp | hmmm ok ill give those a try |
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| 22:36.47 | nevyn | polpak: kernel PANIC @ blah backtrace registers etc. |
| 22:36.48 | RayzrShrp | so if i have non-free i can just install flashplayer-mozilla without needing the debian-multimedia apt source right? |
| 22:36.57 | polpak | nevyn: I don't get any of that |
| 22:37.01 | babilen | RayzrShrp: yes |
| 22:37.15 | polpak | nevyn: it just reboots |
| 22:37.35 | polpak | no shutdown, etc. just going fine and then a black screen and I've got my bios |
| 22:37.47 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib, not debian-multimedia |
| 22:38.10 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so is that another source i need to add? |
| 22:38.20 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: no, it's another section |
| 22:38.36 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: just add "contrib" after "main" on your deb line |
| 22:38.36 | babilen | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:38.36 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 22:38.36 | craigevil | SerajewelKS: no not in stable, you either need backports or dmm to install adobe flash |
| 22:38.57 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS:yeah i used debian multimedia source |
| 22:38.58 | babilen | RayzrShrp: You would have to get it from backports. "/msg dpkg bpo" to find out how |
| 22:39.10 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: oh weird, i must have added bpo before installing it then. just assumed it was in lenny. |
| 22:39.14 | babilen | RayzrShrp: Ah, ok. That'll work too |
| 22:39.22 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: yeah, i'd use bpo though |
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| 22:39.36 | elik | babilen, it went fairly well. It complained about blacklist.conf being modified (I blacklist pcspkr) and db-config too (don't remember touching that). Otherwise, uswsusp said it couldn't find the swap, which was odd... and the message about library that has retrocompatibily issues (with registry or something) |
| 22:39.38 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so backports is more reliable? |
| 22:40.28 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: i'm pretty sure it has more hands working on it than debian-multimedia |
| 22:40.32 | nevyn | polpak: in any case. if it's in a current kernel your best bet is being able to replicate it (ideally in a virtualised environment) |
| 22:40.39 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: either way it just downloads and installs adobe flash |
| 22:40.42 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: which usually equates to better quality, in my experience |
| 22:40.50 | nevyn | polpak: then tools like KDB can help |
| 22:41.04 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: ok so this contrib source you mentioned, what do i need contrib for? |
| 22:41.19 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: ... to install the package? |
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| 22:41.25 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: i'm not sure what your question means |
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| 22:41.43 | lilib | hi |
| 22:41.45 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: RayzrShrp: flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib, not debian-multimedia |
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| 22:41.56 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so is contrib where the backports are? |
| 22:42.01 | nevyn | polpak: if it's not hitting the kernel "panic" code and it's rebooting your machine it sounds like a bad driver to me tho (you're not running any proprietary code in kernel are you?) |
| 22:42.05 | babilen | elik: You should probably accept the merge the blacklist.conf, but that shouldn't be a big problem. Are you running into problems now? You could paste the output to a pastebin ... |
| 22:42.07 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: no, it's not. are you on squeeze? |
| 22:42.07 | lilib | i would like to ask, if someone so kind could recomende me some web based timesheet runing on debian |
| 22:42.13 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: lenny |
| 22:42.19 | babilen | !tell RayzrShrp -about contrib |
| 22:42.27 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: then you may have the bpo sources already |
| 22:42.37 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree' |
| 22:42.37 | babilen | RayzrShrp: Ah, you can't read messages from dpkg, correct? |
| 22:42.58 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: basically contrib is software that is free, but depends on, installs, or otherwise uses software that is non-free |
| 22:43.03 | RayzrShrp | babilen: yeah securecrt wony let my use alt+# to switch to windows under irssi |
| 22:43.10 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: in this case it's a set of free software scripts that installs the non-free flash plugin |
| 22:43.20 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: then use /window # |
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| 22:43.54 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: nice thanks! |
| 22:43.54 | babilen | RayzrShrp: "/msg dpkg bpo" "/msg dpkg contrib", "/msg dpkg dmm" and "/msg dpkg non-free" should clarify the situation. |
| 22:44.12 | babilen | RayzrShrp: I assume that you can open new windows and close them and come back here though |
| 22:44.20 | RayzrShrp | babilen: yep |
| 22:44.24 | elik | babilen, no no, all is fine so far. I did accept blacklist, and will just add pcspkr again :) I accepted dbconf too. Much smoother than I expected |
| 22:44.46 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: you need /window to get to windows 11+ anyway :) |
| 22:44.50 | babilen | elik: great - yeah, evil pcskr. :) |
| 22:45.01 | titan8990 | elik: you should add user specific modules setting to a file that is not used by the system (blacklist) |
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| 22:45.07 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: that makes sense lol |
| 22:45.14 | SerajewelKS | i need to blacklist pcspkr on my laptop. damn thing beeps all the fucking time. |
| 22:45.29 | titan8990 | elik: just create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/ and add whatever you want to it e.g. blacklist pcspkr |
| 22:45.33 | SerajewelKS | shutting down? beep. rebooting? beep. hit tab on a VT? beep. |
| 22:45.43 | SerajewelKS | muted master in alsa? no dice. beep. |
| 22:46.00 | elik | SerajewelKS, oh yeah, it drives me nuts! |
| 22:46.14 | elik | titan8990, that's right, no it's not just a file anymore |
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| 22:46.25 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: yes, first thing I do on new systems. I was very angry when I found gnome-terminal happily beeped via alsa instead on newer versions of gnome.... |
| 22:46.35 | SerajewelKS | i don't care if the kernel panics. it annoyed the shit out of me when i was in school. my laptop would beep in classes whenever the system thought it needed to. |
| 22:46.46 | craigevil | http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/desktops/290052-major-linux-2634-kernel-gpu-drm-updates |
| 22:46.54 | craigevil | whoops wrong window sorry |
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| 22:47.25 | titan8990 | elik: I am saying instead of: `echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprob.d/blacklist`, do something like: `echo 'blacklist pcspkr' >> /etc/modprob.d/file-i-am-creating` |
| 22:47.41 | SerajewelKS | only spell modprobe right when you do that |
| 22:47.46 | elik | titan8990, yeah yeah, gotcha |
| 22:48.00 | elik | titan8990, just didn't know you could create any random file in there |
| 22:48.16 | SerajewelKS | the blacklist is a nice concept but in my experience it simply fails to work in many cases |
| 22:48.19 | titan8990 | yes, sorry, spell modprobe correctly :) |
| 22:48.38 | elik | SerajewelKS, what do you mean? |
| 22:48.40 | SerajewelKS | i was trying to blacklist ath5k a while ago because it didn't drive my wlan card properly and no matter how i threw it in there, ath5k was always loaded when i booted |
| 22:48.52 | SerajewelKS | i finally just moved ath5k.ko somewhere else and that worked :/ |
| 22:48.59 | babilen | titan8990: tab completion works in irssi FYI (if you use that) |
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| 22:49.31 | titan8990 | babilen: I am using irssi but I have only found tab-completion of nicks to work |
| 22:49.48 | SerajewelKS | oh damn whaddayaknow, you can tab-complete files in irssi |
| 22:49.53 | babilen | titan8990: works here with paths as well :-\ ... |
| 22:49.57 | warmfire | Hi, is there a Debian live cd ? no knoppix no ubuntu ? |
| 22:50.11 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: make sure that the / is not the first character when you try or irssi thinks you want a command |
| 22:50.15 | titan8990 | babilen: ah, you are right, thanks :) |
| 22:50.32 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: i think so, but i don't use it |
| 22:50.50 | warmfire | Where can i download it ? |
| 22:51.11 | SerajewelKS | !fgi warmfire debian+live+cd |
| 22:51.12 | dpkg | warmfire: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+live+cd |
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| 22:51.51 | titan8990 | warmfire: the livecd is not meant to be used for installation, if you were wanting to install debian |
| 22:52.18 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: but what if i *want* to use debootstrap and run grub manually? :( |
| 22:52.39 | warmfire | dpkg: you didnt help me nothing ;) |
| 22:52.39 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 22:52.43 | warmfire | titan8990: i want to try it |
| 22:52.49 | babilen | SerajewelKS: you'd use debootstrap ;) |
| 22:52.52 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: hehe, then your a user who doesn't need to be told where to download the livecd |
| 22:53.03 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: yes, he did |
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| 22:53.17 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: the first result of that google search is exactly what you want |
| 22:53.36 | polpak | nevyn: sorry, no. The only proprietary thing was the nvidia driver, and I removed that to see if it was the cause. It still happens with it removed |
| 22:53.36 | warmfire | SerajewelKS: it redirects me to other distros |
| 22:53.39 | warmfire | such as Knoppix |
| 22:53.43 | warmfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.44 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: no it doesn't |
| 22:53.58 | warmfire | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#live-cd |
| 22:54.04 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: a search for "debian live cd" gives me live.debian.net as the very first result |
| 22:54.20 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: which links here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:54.26 | polpak | nevyn: not sure how I'd set up a virtualized environment to replicate it in |
| 22:54.35 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: your google-fu is weak, young padawan |
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| 22:56.19 | warmfire | I dont use google |
| 22:56.38 | titan8990 | your bing skills are weak? |
| 22:56.52 | titan8990 | alta-vista? |
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| 22:56.56 | warmfire | uses Scroogle |
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| 22:57.16 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: the same site shows up on the first page on both yahoo and bing |
| 22:57.31 | nooper | wow altavista is still running |
| 22:57.37 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: i don't think that's going to help you find debian live cds |
| 22:57.45 | titan8990 | just because you access google via a proxy, does not mean its no longer google |
| 22:58.00 | warmfire | Thats why you are herer : ) |
| 22:58.04 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: but seriously, yahoo and bing both return live.debian.net on the first page. so really you have no excuse for not searching the interwebs yourself first :P |
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| 22:58.14 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: we are not here to be your google proxy |
| 22:58.21 | titan8990 | nooper: yes, and there are 10 year old machines at my work running win98 with that as default home-page hehe |
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| 23:01.03 | SerajewelKS | warmfire: all i'm saying is that if your question is "where can i find X" you can almost certainly find it on any search engine you like |
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| 23:01.24 | warmfire | SerajewelKS: ok Thanks : ) |
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| 23:06.34 | RayzrShrp | would you say its better to install gnome at the time of install or install it later using the gnome package? |
| 23:08.04 | RayzrShrp | i guess i mean using tasksel or gnome |
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| 23:09.21 | eeli | I have a question about debian |
| 23:10.04 | eeli | I have bought a HP server with 64bits processor. And my question right now is which Deabin version shoud I download? |
| 23:10.24 | RayzrShrp | do i want to use LVM on this new install? |
| 23:10.25 | nsadmin | not enuf info. what will the server be used for? |
| 23:10.41 | RayzrShrp | or is the standard good enough for just a desktop machine? |
| 23:10.45 | nevyn | eeli: depends what you're going to use the server for? |
| 23:10.48 | nsadmin | RayzrShrp are you interested in lvm? |
| 23:10.59 | RayzrShrp | nsadmin: im interested in learning |
| 23:11.13 | nevyn | eeli: in particular if you're doing video stuff, anything with proprietary software etc. |
| 23:11.15 | RayzrShrp | nsadmin: would you say its worth learning? |
| 23:11.15 | eeli | yes |
| 23:11.23 | nsadmin | then I'd say do it, with the caveat that this install you're doing could be a throwaway |
| 23:11.34 | nevyn | eeli: yes which? |
| 23:11.38 | RayzrShrp | why a throwaway? |
| 23:11.50 | eeli | yes Im interested in LVM |
| 23:11.58 | macrobat | there are other desktop environments than gnome |
| 23:12.16 | nsadmin | maybe you screw up the first time, no big deal, just reinstall and keep track of what you did |
| 23:12.29 | nevyn | eeli: everyone should use LVM... |
| 23:12.38 | nevyn | macrobat: kde is availible in debian |
| 23:12.41 | macrobat | with the old grub you cant have /boot on a partition on lvm |
| 23:13.04 | titan8990 | macrobat: grub-legacy |
| 23:13.18 | macrobat | yes, sorry for being unprecise |
| 23:13.22 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: lvm is nice, but it's not very necessary on laptops where you don't have multiple HDs |
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| 23:13.39 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: but i have been using it on my desktop where my drives can change frequently, and it's quite nice |
| 23:13.48 | RayzrShrp | this machine im installing doesnt have multiple disks so no point in using lvm then |
| 23:13.55 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: the benefits of LVM outweigh the cost so spectacularly it's not even funny. |
| 23:14.03 | nevyn | even on a laptop |
| 23:14.18 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: but the benefits of using lvm on a laptop are 0. you can't even use its ejection feature if your hd is failing. |
| 23:14.24 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: just for things like.. (plug in usb hdd lvm snapshot -> usb ) |
| 23:14.35 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: disagree. |
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| 23:14.55 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: what's the cost to using lvm? |
| 23:14.57 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: well i haven't had any use for it yet. i use it on my desktop though, i have my /home spanned across two disks |
| 23:15.23 | nevyn | I have 7 hdd's in my myth backend using md and lvm |
| 23:15.25 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: it's not a matter of cost. there are a lot of things i could use that cost nothing, but don't do anything for me either. |
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| 23:15.56 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: i have not found a single use for lvm on my laptop |
| 23:16.18 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: snapshot backups, system cloning all sorts of good things |
| 23:16.31 | eeli | the thing is I though an intel 64bits processor should have the ia64 debian-image. But the installation never started when I tried to install with that version. I also tried with the i386 version and it worked. Why? |
| 23:16.56 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: i backup all my important stuff with git |
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| 23:17.13 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: im installing lenny fresh right now |
| 23:17.41 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: would you suggest installing gnome from the tasksel or waiting until fully booted and using a different gnome package to install |
| 23:17.41 | nevyn | eeli: AMD_64 is what you want ia64 is itanium |
| 23:17.54 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: up to you |
| 23:18.09 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: i read the tasksel doesnt install everything |
| 23:18.12 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: IIRC, the "graphical environment" will install gnome, gdm, xorg, and some other stuff |
| 23:18.22 | nevyn | eeli: ia64e == amd64 with some oddities and differences that you don't care about. |
| 23:18.23 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: yeah i think it installs gnome-core, not gnome |
| 23:18.50 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: the gnome package will pull in pretty much everything (or gnome-desktop-environment, whatever it's called this week) |
| 23:19.46 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: i usually don't use the graphical install task, and just install the crap i need later. but that's my preference. if you want the box up and running quickly, and don't mind uninstalling stuff you don't use (or don't mind leaving it installed) then just check graphical environment |
| 23:20.10 | nevyn | eeli: bleh that's ia32e == amd_64 |
| 23:20.23 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: yeah i tried uninstaull swfdec and it wanted to uninstall all of gmome last time |
| 23:20.31 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: don't get me wrong... i really like lvm. but for my use cases it doesn't give me anything extra on a laptop. |
| 23:20.47 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: that's because the metapackage ultimately depends on it |
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| 23:21.07 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: and that's fine. my view is tho if it doesn't cost you anything and might be useful (backups migrations etc) why not have it? |
| 23:21.08 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so is there a way to uninstall it without everything going with it? |
| 23:21.26 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: or do i need to not install the meta-package |
| 23:21.27 | macrobat | RayzrShrp: mark the pkgs you want to keep as "manually installed"' |
| 23:21.58 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: you would need to uninstall the metapackage, without uninstalling the things it depends on that you want |
| 23:22.16 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: yikes |
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| 23:22.40 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: so if you have package X and package Y, and Y is the metapackage that depends somehow on X, then to remove X you need to look at all the packages between X and Y (including Y) and uninstall those, and mark their dependencies as manually installed |
| 23:22.48 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: assuming that you want all their other dependencies |
| 23:23.14 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: seems like a pita |
| 23:23.28 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: this is why i don't use metapackages very much, except for small things. and IMO the large metapackages should recommends: peripheral things so they get installed by default but your package states don't go to shit when you want to remove one little thing. |
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| 23:24.12 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: IMO, the gnome metapackage is really only useful for "i'm setting up my relative on linux and want them to have enough shit to do to keep busy" |
| 23:24.27 | SerajewelKS | and for that it's fantastic |
| 23:24.39 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: ok so how do i get gnome on without the kitchen sink then? |
| 23:24.42 | SerajewelKS | if you like to keep your box clean of stuff you don't use, metapackages are not for you |
| 23:25.04 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: is there a way to install gnome without metapackages? |
| 23:25.04 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: install gnome-core, which installs only what gnome needs to display your desktop, basically |
| 23:25.32 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: note that you'll have to install gdm yourself if you want a display manager, this is depended on by gnome-desktop-environment, but not gnome-core |
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| 23:26.04 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so does gnome have it's own gdm? |
| 23:26.17 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: to put it another way, gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome-core, and a lot of other optional stuff |
| 23:26.26 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: what do you mean by "its own?" |
| 23:26.34 | macrobat | "apt-cache show gnome" shows gnome dependencies |
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| 23:26.52 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: if i install gnome-core and i need a gdm what do i install for the gdm? |
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| 23:27.03 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: you install gdm, of course |
| 23:27.07 | _tux | hi i have a problem with a wlan card dmesg tells me that it cannot find the firmware |
| 23:27.15 | _tux | where is it supposed to be? |
| 23:27.22 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: gdm is the gnome display manager. kde has a display manager too, called (imaginatively enough) kdm. |
| 23:27.23 | RayzrShrp | macrobat: i cant use apt-cache i dont have a system installed yet |
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| 23:27.45 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so is that only used for that fancy login screen and stuff |
| 23:27.48 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: the display manager is the thing that prompts you for a username and password before starting your graphical session |
| 23:28.05 | RayzrShrp | ok otherwise i just have to use startx |
| 23:28.09 | RayzrShrp | or gnome-session |
| 23:28.11 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: yes, that's exactly what the dm does. some dms provide other stuff too, like gdm has some mechanisms to request a new X display. |
| 23:28.15 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: right |
| 23:28.37 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: ok that's good to know |
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| 23:29.04 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: not having a gdm would be nice since then it wouldnt be running all the time |
| 23:29.09 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: personally i don't know why you would not want gdm unless you usually use the CLI |
| 23:29.21 | _tux | hi i have a problem with a wlan card dmesg tells me that it cannot find the firmware |
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| 23:29.33 | _tux | where is it supposed to be? |
| 23:29.35 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: by that logic, not having gnome would be nice because then it wouldn't be running when you are using it |
| 23:29.41 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: i mostly use the cli, i spend most of my time in cisco routers |
| 23:29.58 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: ah, then you might not want gdm. but honestly i don't see the harm either. :) |
| 23:30.00 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: yeah but its nice being able to run firefox and stuff |
| 23:30.23 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: in that case you might not want gnome at all |
| 23:30.25 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so i could install manually gnome-core and gdm |
| 23:31.05 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: something like fluxbox might cater better to your use-case |
| 23:31.05 | macrobat | if you know your way around computers, gnome could be a hindrance :) |
| 23:31.27 | RayzrShrp | macrobat: i feel that way sometimes |
| 23:31.31 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: depends on what you're doing. i know my way around linux but i don't want to have to run smbfs every time i want to watch a video on my file server. |
| 23:31.39 | RayzrShrp | macrobat: i used to manually load win3.1 back in the day |
| 23:31.55 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: having gnome manage network shares is a really useful thing for me |
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| 23:32.10 | tinflu | hey is it possible to netinst debian with wireless networking only? |
| 23:32.13 | macrobat | yeah, gnome have a lot of services set up |
| 23:32.29 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: as i've said before, what you call bloat i might call features :) |
| 23:32.31 | RayzrShrp | im coming from ubuntu so this is a little different for me |
| 23:32.34 | RayzrShrp | more choices |
| 23:33.00 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: yeah ubuntu assumes you are wearing your user hat and don't care how the system is set up, so long as nothing breaks |
| 23:33.07 | macrobat | i like xfce4 and lxde |
| 23:33.09 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: yep |
| 23:33.11 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: debian assumes you are wearing your sysadmin hat and only does what you tell it |
| 23:33.36 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: i tried xfce once but all the preferences utilities seemed broken |
| 23:33.40 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: having to install flash and java are kinda a pita about debian |
| 23:33.46 | macrobat | oh? |
| 23:34.02 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: it's pretty easy to do though (hi!) |
| 23:34.05 | RayzrShrp | ubuntu wasn't so FOSS focused so it was much easier |
| 23:34.20 | RayzrShrp | hydroxide: hey man! |
| 23:34.22 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: basically, i'm in the "gnome works" mentality. it does what i need and doesn't get in my way, so my motivation to try something else is not very high. |
| 23:34.22 | _tux | hi guys |
| 23:34.35 | tinflu | is it possible to netinstall debian over wireless? |
| 23:34.46 | _tux | nioe |
| 23:34.48 | _tux | nope |
| 23:34.53 | macrobat | i just dl flash and copy it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 23:34.54 | tinflu | ok |
| 23:34.54 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: for flash, just install the flashplugin-nonfree package in the non-free archive. (if you're running lenny you will need to grab it from lenny-backports since flash isn't supportable enough to be in stable any more) |
| 23:34.56 | SerajewelKS | tinflu: i think the testing installer can, but i'm not sure |
| 23:35.06 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib |
| 23:35.28 | themill | macrobat: does that feel like a security nightmare at all? |
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| 23:35.42 | Hydroxide | SerajewelKS: sorry, yes, since it downloads the thing from adobe.com, that's correct. still need the backports repo for stable users |
| 23:35.50 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: nod |
| 23:35.57 | RayzrShrp | SerajewelKS: so flashplugin-nonfree is NOT a backport then |
| 23:36.09 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: on lenny it is, not on squeeze |
| 23:36.22 | macrobat | it is less hassle, flash is spying on me in ~/.macromedia/ anyway :) |
| 23:36.27 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: it's a backport of the thing which installs the flash from adobe.com |
| 23:36.38 | RayzrShrp | good lord |
| 23:36.48 | RayzrShrp | ok so i need to add contrib to my apt sources |
| 23:36.50 | Joint | lol |
| 23:36.59 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: it's apparently not legal to redistribute without some special arrangement with adobe - Debian would probably put it in non-free if we could |
| 23:37.03 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: but it installs it during the post-install script, so for you it looks like the package installs it |
| 23:37.10 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: presumably canonical just made that deal with adobe |
| 23:37.35 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: they would not need to make that kind of deal, if they just were to install such a "fetching" package by default, no? |
| 23:37.38 | Hydroxide | SerajewelKS, RayzrShrp: there's also a nice updateflashplugin-nonfree command it installs |
| 23:37.39 | RayzrShrp | ok so i add contrib to sources, do i also need to add a backports source? |
| 23:37.53 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: take a look at http://backports.org/ for instructions on setting up backports |
| 23:37.55 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: or does adobe consider "downloads and installs automatically" as "restribution" |
| 23:38.09 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: depends if you are using lenny or squeeze |
| 23:38.10 | Hydroxide | SerajewelKS: it'd be legal, but Debian doesn't want to default to installing non-free stuff (understandably) |
| 23:38.14 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: it would need to download from a debian repo, so they would be distributing |
| 23:38.15 | RayzrShrp | im running lenny |
| 23:38.25 | macrobat | add the non-free source if you want |
| 23:38.29 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: if you are using lenny then you need the backports.org line. if you are using squeeze then add contrib. you do not need to do both. |
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| 23:38.40 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: head on over to backports.org then and follow the directions after you install debian |
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| 23:38.43 | Hydroxide | SerajewelKS: he still needs to be sure to add the contrib section of backports |
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| 23:38.50 | Hydroxide | SerajewelKS: he's already running debian |
| 23:38.50 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: right |
| 23:38.51 | RayzrShrp | ok so i go to backports.org, add the key, add the source to source.list |
| 23:39.00 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: he is installing debian |
| 23:39.04 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: yes |
| 23:39.06 | Hydroxide | SerajewelKS: I thought he was already running lenny... |
| 23:39.08 | heoa | Anyone using SSH-tunnels over multiple servers? $ ssh -t Server1 scp -r Server2:ti <copy to my current location, how?> |
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| 23:39.17 | SerajewelKS | Hydroxide: he was just talking to be about tasksel |
| 23:39.23 | Hydroxide | ok |
| 23:39.52 | SerajewelKS | heoa: you could set up a tunnel |
| 23:39.54 | RayzrShrp | so squeeze is the unstable version then I assume? |
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| 23:40.41 | SerajewelKS | heoa: look at -R... basically you want to ssh -R (tunnel-info) scp -r Server2:ti localhost:your-tunnel-port |
| 23:40.43 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: squeeze is the "testing" version that will become the next stable release |
| 23:40.50 | RayzrShrp | i have a feeling you guys get A LOT of 'how do i install flash' questions LOL |
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| 23:40.53 | RayzrShrp | im sorry for being that guy |
| 23:40.57 | SerajewelKS | heoa: erm, not :your-tunnel-port. look at 'man scp' for info about ports. |
| 23:41.12 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: that's why we have dpkg, so we can make him tell you how to install it |
| 23:41.32 | SerajewelKS | anyway i gotta run home |
| 23:41.49 | heoa | SerajewelKS: you mean "a persistent connection": http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/1233/create-a-persistent-connection-to-a-machine ? |
| 23:41.50 | RayzrShrp | once i install it do i still need to move it to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 23:42.06 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: it's fine :) re java, if you want the plugin, you can either use sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free (no need for a backport) or icedtea-gcjwebplugin (which wraps OpenJDK and is free) |
| 23:42.08 | RayzrShrp | or /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins? |
| 23:42.12 | Hydroxide | you do not need to move it |
| 23:42.12 | SerajewelKS | heoa: no, i mean a tunnel |
| 23:42.14 | Hydroxide | the package handles it |
| 23:42.25 | RayzrShrp | cool |
| 23:42.47 | Hydroxide | it also installs an updateflashplugin-nonfree thing which can download newer flash from adobe. |
| 23:42.49 | RayzrShrp | is icedtea the preferred package? |
| 23:42.52 | RayzrShrp | or java6 |
| 23:43.17 | Hydroxide | up to you. icedtea is more supportable but there may be a few things that the sun one has that it doesn't (e.g. signed applet support) |
| 23:43.38 | Hydroxide | since you use cisco stuff and might want to use ASDM I'd say go sun-java6-plugin |
| 23:43.50 | RayzrShrp | good tip |
| 23:44.16 | RayzrShrp | i should have just taken this box into work |
| 23:44.32 | RayzrShrp | a 10Gig roadm wave this would be done downloading already LOL |
| 23:44.58 | SerajewelKS | heoa: something like this: ssh -R 50022:localhost:22 Server1 scp -r Server2:somedir -P 50022 localhost: |
| 23:45.07 | Hydroxide | for most other local java stuff, openjdk-6-jdk and openjdk-6-jre are basically free equivalents to sun-java6-jdk and sun-java6-jre - it's basically the same codebase from Sun under a free license with a few proprietary bits replaced with free equivalents |
| 23:45.23 | Hydroxide | but the plugin isn't in openjdk yet (or if it is, it didn't make it into lenny) |
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| 23:45.41 | RayzrShrp | so are flash and java the 2 biggest gotchas in debian in your opinion? |
| 23:45.50 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: and they're minor :) |
| 23:46.00 | SerajewelKS | heoa: to break that down for you: "-R 50022:localhost:22" will cause the remote server to listen on port 50022 and forward connections back to your box's sshd through the ssh session. "-P 50022 localhost:" gives the destination with scp, telling it to connect to itself on port 50022, which will then be routed through that tunnel. make sense? |
| 23:46.50 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: some multimedia codecs stuff is a bit trickier due primarily to software patents (and due to copyright in the case of one or two godawful hacks) - if that issue doesn't bother you there is an unofficial but widely used debian-multimedia.org repository that works nicely with debian |
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| 23:47.41 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: however they are looser about legality in terms of copyright even aside from software patents - but software patents are the biggest difference. |
| 23:47.49 | SerajewelKS | heoa: when it all comes down to it, you're going to be making an ssh connection that is tunneled through another ssh connection |
| 23:47.59 | RayzrShrp | Hydroxide: yeah i was directed thete earlier today for flash |
| 23:48.16 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: yeah there's no need to go there for flash, nor for mp3 decoding in Debian (unlike Ubuntu) |
| 23:48.20 | RayzrShrp | so is vlc going to be a pain to setup for watching videos and stuff |
| 23:48.29 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: no, vlc is pretty easy. |
| 23:48.39 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: totem does about as good a job as vlc these days, thanks to gstreamer |
| 23:48.46 | RayzrShrp | so mp3 is another tricky thing then? |
| 23:49.02 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: mp3 decoding works out of the box |
| 23:49.03 | heoa | SerajewelKS: sec, have to test -- think understood |
| 23:49.06 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: only mp3 encoding. unlike Ubuntu Debian ships mp3 decoding |
| 23:49.12 | Joint | RayzrShrp, just use as mp3 player.... audacious2 |
| 23:49.13 | Hydroxide | RayzrShrp: different risk evaluation |
| 23:49.24 | RayzrShrp | does xmms still exist? |
| 23:49.33 | Joint | no RayzrShrp |
| 23:49.41 | Joint | just use audacious2 |
| 23:49.41 | gnusosa | xmms XD |
| 23:49.42 | Joint | is better |
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| 23:49.43 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: if you want something like iTunes but free, check out banshee |
| 23:49.49 | RayzrShrp | cool |
| 23:49.55 | gnusosa | RayzrShrp: songbird |
| 23:49.57 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: if you want something lightweight, totem will do audio, video, whatever you throw at it |
| 23:50.07 | gnusosa | RayzrShrp: mpg123 |
| 23:50.18 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: if you want something CLI, look at mpd |
| 23:50.26 | RayzrShrp | so many options i love it |
| 23:50.33 | RayzrShrp | i wish this thing would just finish |
| 23:50.37 | RayzrShrp | installing |
| 23:50.44 | macrobat | moc is easy to use cli-wise |
| 23:50.53 | gnusosa | yeah moc is good |
| 23:50.54 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: mpg123 is nice too, if you want to play a few mp3s from the CLI. mpd will give you a nice queing interface and whatnot. |
| 23:51.10 | SerajewelKS | moc looks nice too |
| 23:51.22 | RayzrShrp | how about these docks |
| 23:51.29 | SerajewelKS | for music i use a combination of banshee and totem |
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| 23:51.35 | RayzrShrp | any of you guys using cairo-dock or awn? |
| 23:51.43 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: i used gnome-do docky for a while |
| 23:51.45 | enyawix | cairo-dock |
| 23:51.45 | RayzrShrp | or gdesklets starterbar |
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| 23:52.04 | SerajewelKS | RayzrShrp: every dock i've tried has been basically a crashy toy |
| 23:52.08 | RayzrShrp | i ran into issues with cario-dock not showing some icons, guess my intel video doesnt totally support opengl |
| 23:52.14 | SerajewelKS | gnome-panel seems to work great though :) |
| 23:52.15 | RayzrShrp | yep i noticed that too SerajewelKS |
| 23:52.23 | RayzrShrp | yeah it does lol |
| 23:52.33 | SerajewelKS | i use gnome-panel and gnome-do for simple launching |
| 23:52.34 | RayzrShrp | ill leave the fancy docks to my powerbook with os-x |
| 23:52.53 | SerajewelKS | docks are overrated anyway |
| 23:53.02 | RayzrShrp | they just look cool [shrug] |
| 23:53.04 | enyawix | help my system sucks during heavy disk usage |
| 23:53.14 | SerajewelKS | enyawix: get a faster disk |
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| 23:53.53 | SerajewelKS | enyawix: at least that's the only way i've found to solve that. every linux and windows box i've seen crawls under high disk load. |
| 23:53.57 | enyawix | SerajewelKS i know but xorg should not crash because of disk usage |
| 23:54.10 | SerajewelKS | enyawix: does it crash or does it just operate slowly? |
| 23:54.59 | enyawix | SerajewelKS if i unpack a big tar.gz i must restart xorg |
| 23:56.09 | enyawix | i do back up because i do not trust hard drives |
| 23:56.19 | RayzrShrp | so apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree once i get the backports added to source.list |
| 23:56.35 | SerajewelKS | enyawix: sounds like there is something wrong with your hard drive then |
| 23:57.03 | RayzrShrp | er flashplugin-nonfree looks like |
| 23:57.06 | SerajewelKS | enyawix: i'd do a SMART scan and look in your kern.log for any suspicious messages. if your hard drive fails then it can cause the entire system to freeze. |
| 23:58.12 | RayzrShrp | woot install complete |
| 23:58.25 | SerajewelKS | is heading home for real now, laters |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | RayzrShrp: please use aptitude |
| 23:58.44 | RayzrShrp | isn't apt-get and aptitude the same thing |
| 23:58.51 | enyawix | ok thanks SerajewelKS i will boot into some hard drive test tools |
| 23:59.05 | SerajewelKS | !tell RayzrShrp about why aptitude |
| 23:59.41 | RayzrShrp | looks like ill use aptitude |
| 23:59.42 | RayzrShrp | :) |
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