| 00:01.10 | RayzrShrp | is synaptic ok too abrotman |
| 00:01.38 | abrotman | RayzrShrp: i don't use it .. |
| 00:02.02 | heoa | SerajewelKS: an err, myComp has pubkey to Server1, Server1 hash pubkey to Server2. Something like ssh-agent in the middle would solve the problem, ie set up right env vars. Ideas? |
| 00:02.33 | heoa | SerajewelKS: err: myComp has no pubkey to Server2 |
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| 00:03.41 | enyawix | Adobe Acrobat? i have non free in my list |
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| 00:04.42 | macrobat | i think acrobat is in dmm |
| 00:05.05 | macrobat | debian multimedia repo, i mean |
| 00:06.56 | enyawix | why is multimedia repo getting so big? could some of that go to main or non-free? |
| 00:07.32 | enyawix | adding multimedia now |
| 00:07.48 | RayzrShrp | so backports are disabled by default according to their website |
| 00:08.10 | nevyn | enyawix: multimedia has stuff for lots of reasons many of which make it unsuitable for main or non-free (patents etc) |
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| 00:11.14 | enyawix | nevyn have you used Cinelerra i tried to make it install for days but no luck |
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| 00:11.31 | nsadmin | there's xpdf and gpdf, what would you need acrobat for? |
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| 00:12.08 | nevyn | enyawix: I did get it installed and the basics working |
| 00:12.14 | DL7LN | hi everyone! how can i define, that no x11-packages should be installed when i'm installing for example openssh-server? |
| 00:12.45 | nevyn | couldn't find a "getting started with cinelerra" type guide and gave up (this was some time ago tho) |
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| 00:26.17 | nsadmin | DL7LN I'd say you'd rebuild the package so it doesn't use x |
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| 00:28.10 | DL7LN | nsadmin: i would like to prefer, that no progs i will install with apt-get will use X...with gentoo there is a make.conf where i can definde a global like WITHOUT-X11 |
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| 00:29.03 | nsadmin | then don't install any packages that use X, or rebuild them |
| 00:29.50 | nsadmin | but I will have to agree, ssh-server has little to do with x except for its feature of x forwarding. I'd vote for a refactoring |
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| 00:32.31 | themill | that's why they are only recommended packages |
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| 00:33.34 | Dewi | DL7LN: specifically what X packages are you talking about? I have never noticed them. 90% of my machines are quite X-less |
| 00:33.39 | nsadmin | , depends openssh-server |
| 00:33.41 | judd | openssh-server -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8g-9), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.9.0), openssh-client (= 1:5.1p1-5), lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), openssh- (1 more message) |
| 00:34.02 | nsadmin | , more |
| 00:34.02 | judd | blacklist, procps. |
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| 00:34.41 | themill | ,recommends openssh-server |
| 00:34.41 | judd | openssh-server -- recommends: xauth, openssh-blacklist-extra. |
| 00:35.05 | themill | xauth for X forwarding |
| 00:35.08 | nsadmin | oh, xauth isn't in xbase-clients anymore? |
| 00:35.18 | themill | not since lenny |
| 00:35.35 | nsadmin | , depends xauth |
| 00:35.37 | judd | xauth -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libx11-6, libxau6, libxext6, libxmuu1. |
| 00:36.09 | nsadmin | so those are client libs |
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| 00:37.13 | themill | yep |
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| 00:40.10 | nocturnus | is someone here able to tell me how to print a documentment offset to the left by one inch with lp/cups ? |
| 00:40.41 | nocturnus | lpr -d pdf -o page-left=72 -o number-up=1 ~/principia.pdf |
| 00:40.55 | nocturnus | doesn't work, 72 = 1 inch (there are 72 points per inch) |
| 00:42.44 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:43.10 | DL7LN | themill: how can i prevent the recommended packages from beeing installed? |
| 00:43.40 | themill | DL7LN: in general you don't. For this specific instance, "aptitude install openssh-server xauth:" should suffice. |
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| 00:46.34 | DL7LN | themill: but i don't what to have xauth installed... |
| 00:46.44 | themill | DL7LN: I know. |
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| 00:48.43 | themill | DL7LN: replace the : with a _ to be more forceful in the treatment of that particular recommended package. |
| 00:48.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just got back with a new digital SLR camera and was wondering if there any apps that can open a RAW image? |
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| 00:49.12 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: apt-cache search raw photo .. it depends on the type of camera |
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| 00:52.48 | cirwin1 | I would like my fglrx-driver to work again (on testing), apparently if I can install xserver-xorg-core version 7.4 then this will work, but aptitude says that version can't be found, does anyone have advice? |
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| 00:56.46 | abrotman | cirwin1: card? |
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| 00:58.13 | cirwin1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M92 LP [Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series] |
| 00:58.52 | RayzrShrp | anybody tell me how to make gnome in lenny not open everything in a new window? |
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| 00:59.03 | nsadmin | cirwin1 you;'ll get this extra numver if you run it as lspci -nn |
| 00:59.11 | RayzrShrp | id prefer it to open folders in the same window |
| 00:59.15 | cirwin1 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc M92 LP [Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series] [1002:9552] |
| 00:59.36 | nsadmin | judd: pciid 1002:9552 |
| 00:59.38 | judd | [1002:9552] is 'M92 LP [Mobility Radeon HD 4300 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9552 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
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| 01:03.49 | bashu | Python1320: which is the easiest tuitorial in English for a beginner who is not familiar to any programming language? |
| 01:04.16 | bashu | Python1320: in Python |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | bashu: there is a #python |
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| 01:04.59 | bashu | abrotman: ok |
| 01:06.34 | nsadmin | bashu: what[s your purpose |
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| 01:07.06 | rektide | apparently i have to reboot my system to tell it i dont have ipv6 ? |
| 01:07.14 | rektide | that seems really weird |
| 01:07.38 | rektide | that there's no way to transition from having it to not having it |
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| 01:08.37 | bashu | nsadmin: to learn python programming or an attempt to learn |
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| 01:09.07 | nsadmin | what do you want to do once you know it? |
| 01:09.26 | nsadmin | initially, I'd say: |
| 01:09.43 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.00 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:10.58 | bashu | nsadmin: is there an inbuilt tuitorial? |
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| 01:11.13 | nsadmin | I don't think so |
| 01:11.13 | cirwin | thank you, belatedly |
| 01:11.31 | nsadmin | other than it executing python |
| 01:12.58 | nsadmin | there is something called the Python Tutoiral |
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| 01:14.12 | nvz | python really needs no tutorial if you're not an idiot and have any concept of computer programming what-so-ever |
| 01:14.14 | nsadmin | it's in the package python-doc |
| 01:14.37 | nsadmin | he's saying he doesn't have said concept |
| 01:15.23 | nvz | ah well, python is dead simple.. I've been thinking of making a drum machine thingy in python because I've been wanting one for awhile now |
| 01:15.48 | nsadmin | there's hydrogen |
| 01:15.55 | nvz | not that kinda drum machine |
| 01:16.07 | nsadmin | wha kinda? |
| 01:16.12 | nvz | I wanna plug in the Xbox drum pads and have it work like a drumset |
| 01:16.33 | nvz | just wanna beat on the pads and have it make sounds |
| 01:16.52 | dkr | doesn't that occur naturally? :P |
| 01:16.56 | nvz | haha |
| 01:17.13 | nvz | basically wanna turn those into an electronic drum set |
| 01:17.30 | nvz | the driver in the kernel supports the drumpads and bass pedal |
| 01:17.35 | nsadmin | bweee, pauiuuwwww, "YOU'VE GOT MAIL" |
| 01:17.44 | nvz | there just doesn't seem to be any software to make it work |
| 01:18.50 | SerajewelKS | heoa: you would of course have to enter your password or something |
| 01:18.59 | SerajewelKS | heoa: note that Server1 is connecting to your box, not Server2 |
| 01:19.22 | SerajewelKS | heoa: the scp command is going to fetch the files from Server2 and push them to your own box. so Server2 doesn't need to know anything about your box. |
| 01:19.50 | SerajewelKS | heoa: if you have an id_rsa.pub on Server1, just authorize it on your local machine, all should then work |
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| 01:38.53 | yehezkel_ | ^^aoham, stop spam. |
| 01:39.39 | simonrvn | yehezkel_: you do !ops nick is spamming in that case |
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| 01:43.17 | nsadmin | doed he spamed? |
| 01:43.29 | reseg | Hi, I need an OCR program (I want to run a pdf file to it -- in the pdf file are scanned pages of simple English text). What's a popular/good OCR software? |
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| 01:50.41 | nevyn | reseg: omniscan I think is one of the better commercial options it's about 10k/seat |
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| 01:51.58 | reseg | ahem. 10k? what the fuck? I recall using some oem software on a pc I bought in 2005 whose ocr software retuned 95%+ accuracy |
| 01:52.37 | nat2610 | hey, what's wrong in my service script http://pastie.org/849158 |
| 01:52.47 | nat2610 | it works if I do /etc/init.d/vncserver start |
| 01:53.27 | nat2610 | but not if it's not done by hand ... I mean the boot doesn't start it ... and I did update-rc.d vncserver defaults |
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| 01:55.02 | maple1 | I raped a hot cunt tonight |
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| 01:55.25 | nevyn | umm thanks for that. |
| 01:55.29 | nevyn | :) |
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| 01:56.17 | likevinyl | is away: Es un relajo! vamo el Pepe todavÃa! |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | nat2610: try putting some verbosity stuff at the top like set -x or script |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | !tell likevinyl about away |
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| 01:57.27 | RayzrShrp | does debian have a remote desktop server like ubuntu does? |
| 01:57.44 | RayzrShrp | ubuntu has a real nice one built right in from the gnome menu |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | RayzrShrp: vino maybe ? |
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| 01:58.48 | RayzrShrp | abrotman: is that the one ubuntu comes with ya think? |
| 01:58.57 | RayzrShrp | abrotman: it's vnc based I wanna say |
| 01:58.58 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use it |
| 01:59.25 | RayzrShrp | i found xrdp which was pretty exciting but i cant get the remote desktop client on my win7 box to connect to it |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | judd: info vino --release lenny |
| 02:00.55 | judd | vino (gnome, optional): VNC server for GNOME. Version: 2.22.2-1; Size: 465.8k; Installed: 2540k |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | close enough ? |
| 02:01.36 | RayzrShrp | yeah i'm pretty sure that's it |
| 02:01.53 | billykid | What a nightmare, I'm stuck doing a netinstall, no driver found for my VT6102 Rhine II network card. I've been at this all day, everywhere I look no answer to how I'm suppose to add the network drivers, or even where I can obtain the extra network drivers needed. I really don't wan't to burn 31 CD's, or 5 DVD's, and who know if the dvd's will boot. I could use some help here, I'm about to try and to a install booting from LAN |
| 02:01.54 | RayzrShrp | what is that judd: info vino? who is judd |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | it's a bot .. |
| 02:02.15 | nat2610 | abrotman, I don't have a screen to see the boot... that's why I want vnc to start at the boot |
| 02:02.17 | RayzrShrp | i see so he has access to an apt |
| 02:02.50 | RayzrShrp | judd: info xrdp --release lenny |
| 02:02.51 | judd | xrdp (net, optional): Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-9; Size: 201.5k; Installed: 612k; Homepage: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | nat2610: right .. set -x will set the script to be verbose .. you can log the output perhaps |
| 02:03.03 | RayzrShrp | that's awesome |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | RayzrShrp: aptitude show xrdp |
| 02:03.11 | abrotman | instead of flooding the channel |
| 02:03.16 | RayzrShrp | oh sorry |
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| 02:03.23 | RayzrShrp | i thought we could use the bot |
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| 02:03.52 | abrotman | we can .. but msg it if it's just for yourself .. or use aptitude |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | or packages.debian.org/xrdp |
| 02:04.01 | RayzrShrp | gotcha thanks |
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| 02:14.06 | echosystm | hi guys, noob question but ive sshd into a server and now its timedout |
| 02:14.15 | echosystm | how can i make it reconnect? |
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| 02:16.16 | johni | echosystm, what do you mean? how did you connect the first time? |
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| 02:18.07 | nat2610 | is it " enable" the script /etc/rc.local ? |
| 02:18.15 | nat2610 | is that gonna execute what I put at the boot there ? |
| 02:18.46 | nat2610 | I mean if I put a command in that file before the exit 0 is it gonna be executed ? |
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| 02:34.17 | holycow | does anyone know how to get emacs23 reinstalled properly? i was mucking about with files and deleted /usr/share/emacs. which is fine, i thought uninstalling the emacs23-nox package would clear all the metadata and files and allow me to install it again. |
| 02:34.40 | holycow | now on install it errors out in several locations, namely around certain directorys not existing |
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| 02:35.07 | holycow | i've seen this before with dpkg, when deleting a part of the install dpkg doesn't know how to reinstall over top of everything |
| 02:35.29 | holycow | anyone know how to rectify this sort of issue? maybe force dpkg to overwrite everything? |
| 02:35.45 | squisher | holycow, the missing files were probably in other packages |
| 02:36.02 | squisher | holycow, maybe apt-file can help you find all the files / packages, but i'm not sure it can |
| 02:36.04 | holycow | ah, that makes sense right. txh |
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| 03:04.18 | nat2610 | is there an equivalent of selinux on debian ? I'm trying to hack a box and for whatever reason the cronjob I'm setting or the service I'm adding are not having any effect, I'm wondering why |
| 03:05.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | selinux |
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| 03:06.01 | nat2610 | so I guess if I do getenforce and I don't see anything it means it's not there |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | it may not be enabled |
| 03:08.12 | abrotman | or you don't know what you're doing |
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| 03:08.42 | nat2610 | abrotman, well it's probably not there ... ls -Z gives me ? for each file |
| 03:09.27 | abrotman | shakes his head .. |
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| 03:11.02 | Donnerkind | hi folks. is there an easy manual on how to test current (at least 4.3) kde4 on lenny? |
| 03:11.27 | Donnerkind | I'm just copying a friend's old lenny with kde3 onto her new laptop |
| 03:11.43 | Donnerkind | and was wondering whether she would like kde4 on the new one |
| 03:12.01 | Donnerkind | but I don't know that much about Debian, I'm a Gent** guy ;-) |
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| 03:14.01 | abrotman | Donnerkind: see #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net .. not sure if they're still maintaining any kind of backport or not |
| 03:14.24 | Donnerkind | I just found http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ and apt-updateing to testing |
| 03:14.43 | Donnerkind | (funny how I mostly find the answer myself five seconds after asking |
| 03:14.58 | abrotman | you should point at squeeze, not testing |
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| 03:15.40 | Donnerkind | I specifically chose debian when I installed her system because most other binary distros switched to KDE4 (without alternative KDE3) far too early |
| 03:16.08 | Donnerkind | but now it's finally becoming usable |
| 03:16.30 | kevin01123 | Donnerkind: http://www.debian-desktop.org/doku.php |
| 03:16.54 | kevin01123 | It's probably the least hassle outside of compiling it from SVN. |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | well, squeeze already has 4.x |
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| 03:18.31 | enyawix | who removed kdesu |
| 03:18.51 | enyawix | please put it back into the package list |
| 03:18.59 | Donnerkind | well, I have added testing to sources.list and they have 4.3.2 |
| 03:19.21 | Donnerkind | I meant 4.3 |
| 03:20.08 | Donnerkind | hm... broken package :-( |
| 03:20.48 | Donnerkind | but I'm on the right direction :o) |
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| 03:21.22 | nsadmin | Donnerkind is lenny up to date on that machine? |
| 03:21.28 | Donnerkind | no |
| 03:21.40 | Donnerkind | it wants to install 76MB of updates |
| 03:21.43 | Donnerkind | but my connection is rather slow |
| 03:21.44 | nsadmin | you probbly shouldn't upgrade until it is |
| 03:21.51 | Donnerkind | hmk |
| 03:22.20 | nsadmin | you should have aptitude too |
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| 03:25.51 | holycow | squisher: thanks for the tip mate. your heads up allowed me to look for the problem in the right place and reinstall the appropriated dependencies to get emacs to install again properly |
| 03:25.53 | holycow | awesome thanks |
| 03:26.31 | squisher | no problem, I'm glad it worked |
| 03:26.51 | abrotman | you did what?! |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | :) |
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| 03:27.41 | holycow | well i looked very carefully at the error messages and found what it was complaining about. then after some rooting around, reinstalling one dependency allowed it to move on to the other one it was looking for |
| 03:27.48 | artagnon | aplay -l says aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found... | Some diagnostic output from alsa-info.sh: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c095ba883d6abacc633f7fd0f4775e7a84c61966 |
| 03:28.03 | holycow | sometimes the error messages look so much alike that even if you solve one item you have to pay attention to the next one in the list |
| 03:28.15 | artagnon | Am I missing something? |
| 03:28.17 | odla | hi i am trying to extract a .exe file with unzip but it keeps erroring out on me ... also i can't extract it with cabextract |
| 03:28.38 | holycow | odla: maybe its not an archive file but an actual binary |
| 03:28.53 | enyawix | Donnerkind is your kde broken as well? |
| 03:29.19 | odla | holycow: it's for a wireless driver |
| 03:30.06 | nvz | odla: what wireless card is it? |
| 03:30.45 | nsadmin | odla you trying to do ndiswrapper with it? |
| 03:30.51 | artagnon | odla: What does `file moo.exe` say? |
| 03:31.05 | nsadmin | 'the cow says...' |
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| 03:31.34 | odla | yes ... actually it's an intel 5300 and i know that it works w/ the backported kernel ... however when i use the backported kernel then my brightness adjustment no longer works ... so i was trying to just 'cheat' if you will |
| 03:32.05 | abrotman | odla: i have a 5300 and my brightness works fine |
| 03:32.27 | Donnerkind | speaking of wireless... I need to geth that atheros running as well. I remember that was some hassle with Linux |
| 03:32.29 | odla | abrotman: on stable? my intel driver no longer works and then i am forced to use squeeze |
| 03:32.38 | abrotman | no .. |
| 03:33.06 | odla | err ... my brightness no longer works b/c it's tied with something in the 2.6.26 kernel that is no longer present in 2.6.30 but instead is present in xorg .. or something to that effect |
| 03:33.37 | odla | artagnon: ICS_Dx32.exe: PE32 executable for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 03:33.59 | artagnon | Can someone tell me if that's a CAB file^^ ? |
| 03:34.21 | odla | oh i found a zip file |
| 03:34.40 | artagnon | good, good. Use that. |
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| 03:34.49 | nsadmin | if it is it's probably a self-extracting archive of some kind |
| 03:36.20 | artagnon | then wine it |
| 03:36.54 | nsadmin | well the exe probably is |
| 03:37.08 | Donnerkind | cab is an M$ archive format. |
| 03:37.12 | nsadmin | maybe better he uses the zip |
| 03:37.15 | artagnon | Yes! I think I finally got some useful output out of alsa-info.sh: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0b6c02484158ad41d132f5f40f34fcf0c424ff90 | Can someone tell me why no soundcards are detected? |
| 03:37.33 | Donnerkind | there must be another cab format out there, because many cab archivers can't open M$ cabs |
| 03:37.39 | nsadmin | what is the pciid of the card? |
| 03:38.42 | artagnon | nsadmin: See the "PCI soundcards installed on this system" section |
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| 03:39.07 | artagnon | s/on/in |
| 03:39.19 | squisher | artagnon, the cards are detected, but somehow you don't have any controls... not sure why :-| |
| 03:39.27 | artagnon | exactly. |
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| 03:40.15 | artagnon | It's a fresh amd64 sid installation. |
| 03:40.42 | nsadmin | if you cat /proc/asound/cards you should get the same thing as that section of the alsa-info.sh result |
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| 03:41.17 | artagnon | nsadmin: actually, that corresponds to lspci |
| 03:41.19 | abrotman | odlgrrr |
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| 03:41.43 | artagnon | "Soundcards recognized by ALSA" corresponds to /proc/asound/cards |
| 03:43.00 | artagnon | The correct ALSA modules are loaded as well. snd_ice1724 corresponds to my M-Audio Reolvtion-5.1 card. |
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| 03:44.38 | Cretin | hi! ive used ubuntu up until now, and i liked it's Share Folders app. im not sure if its gnome, but ive tried searching aptitude and i cant find it. helps? |
| 03:44.48 | nsadmin | oh i was looking at "Soundcards recognised by ALSA" |
| 03:44.57 | artagnon | nods |
| 03:45.10 | artagnon | Cretin: UbuntuOne? |
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| 03:45.22 | Cretin | no, ubuntu desktop |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | Cretin: in Debian or Ubuntu ? |
| 03:45.55 | Cretin | oh... no. still not ubuntu one |
| 03:46.15 | nsadmin | if worst comes to worst, you could try porting it from its source, resulting in one or more debian packages |
| 03:46.21 | Cretin | im using debian, im trying to find the ubuntu app share folders that shared using samba or nfs |
| 03:46.39 | abrotman | Cretin: do you have something like samba/nfs installed? |
| 03:46.46 | Cretin | yes, samba is installed |
| 03:47.02 | abrotman | though ... i don't have that option here now either (thought i had it before)O |
| 03:47.18 | Cretin | i liked the GUIness because of the headaches smb.conf have caused me |
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| 03:47.33 | nsadmin | goooeyness... |
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| 03:47.49 | nvz | I've never gotten the shared folders thing in gnome to do anything |
| 03:48.03 | nvz | seems like you set something in there and as soon as you close the window its gone |
| 03:48.09 | abrotman | Cretin: the 'nautilus-share' package ? |
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| 03:52.11 | bluekoala | Hello, OpenGL doesn't work on my squeeze install and AFAIK all the required packages are installed. What do I do? |
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| 03:53.24 | sparr | bluekoala: elaborate on "doesn't work" |
| 03:53.30 | artagnon | I think I got something useful: I tried `pulseaudio -vvv` as a non-root user: http://pastie.org/849269 | See the part about connection to dbus being refused. |
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| 03:54.16 | bluekoala | sparr, apps that take advantage of openGL are very slow, for example glxgears shows about 200 fps and games are unplayable |
| 03:54.40 | abrotman | bluekoala: for what video card? |
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| 03:55.38 | bluekoala | abrotman, intel 915gm, and I remember being able to play those games on a previous, install |
| 03:55.44 | artagnon | also on a related note: When I startx, there's one message that troubles me: "hostname: name or service not found". My /etc/hosts lists localhost under 127.0.0.1 and my loopback interface is up. |
| 03:56.02 | sparr | bluegene: glxinfo |
| 03:56.06 | artagnon | is off to attend classes again :| |
| 03:56.20 | abrotman | bluekoala: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 03:57.13 | bluekoala | abrotman, direct rendering: Yes |
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| 04:03.48 | polerin | anyone had luck getting webcam studio installed on lenny? Either through a .deb or compiling? |
| 04:05.15 | nsadmin | polerin: if that question didn't get results... perhaps answering it yourself, and detailing what happened might get better results |
| 04:07.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | polerin: Is that program in the Lenny repos or 3rd party package? |
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| 04:08.51 | polerin | nsadmin: Tried it myself. Compile fails because it's expecting openJDK and I've got the sun package, had enough trouble with that that I don't want to futz with it right now. the .deb was packaged for ubuntu, and is tripping up on two gstreamer multiverse packages |
| 04:08.58 | polerin | LinuxGuy2009: ^^ |
| 04:09.21 | polerin | Tried it both through direct install of the .deb and through adding the third party repo. |
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| 04:09.59 | polerin | was hoping someone had done it successfully in here (I know it's possible as there are a couple posts floating around about post install configuration) |
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| 04:13.12 | nonameNN | hello, what cd-image do i have to download for installing squeeze? there are many... |
| 04:13.16 | nonameNN | cd1? |
| 04:13.40 | benjamindees | you can use the net-install if you have an active internet connection during install |
| 04:14.10 | nonameNN | benjamindees: i wont have... thats why im kinda confused about that cd image i may download |
| 04:14.29 | benjamindees | cd1 is enough for a basic desktop |
| 04:14.47 | nonameNN | benjamindees: wont ask me for any internet conection right? |
| 04:15.04 | benjamindees | well, it will, but it's not mandatory |
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| 04:16.02 | benjamindees | and it will ask you for binary firmware if your hardware requires it, which is separate.. |
| 04:16.07 | nonameNN | benjamindees: the truth is that my internet conection its really slow, and i dont want to waste time installing everything from internet, how much do i have to download if i do a net install? |
| 04:16.26 | nonameNN | benjamindees: i have intel wlan |
| 04:18.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | nonameNN: Net install will require internet downloads for each reinstall if you ever have to. The regular CD would be a one time download. |
| 04:18.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | Pretty sure thats right |
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| 04:18.27 | benjamindees | the net install will download nearly a gig of junk depending on what you select |
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| 04:19.20 | nonameNN | ok... yeah i will download cd1 and start from there... ill after that do a copy with remastersys and im goin to be done... |
| 04:19.35 | nonameNN | what do i need to configure intel wlan card? |
| 04:19.58 | benjamindees | search google for your model's firmware. they have a page. |
| 04:20.28 | nonameNN | ok thank you very much |
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| 04:22.54 | nonameNN | sources.list and repos are already configured after installation? |
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| 04:23.19 | benjamindees | first off, I detest gnome. but I'm learning to use it because it builds character. |
| 04:23.51 | benjamindees | my question is, I don't understand why removing a menu entry from /usr/share/menus and then running 'update-menus' doesn't actually, you know, update the menu. |
| 04:23.52 | dkr | hah |
| 04:24.49 | nsadmin | I thought you didn't even need X to get characters |
| 04:24.51 | dkr | because they want you to use the graphical menu editor? system..prefs..main menu |
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| 04:25.59 | benjamindees | dkr, the omnipresent 'they' ? |
| 04:26.10 | nsadmin | benjamindees: test to see if some other client of menu gets it right... if so, maybe gnome just needs poking or restarting |
| 04:26.46 | dkr | maybe it updates the menu config files properly, but those configs are not read continuously for changes and only at start? |
| 04:27.14 | nsadmin | if it needs restarting, perhaps what's needed is for the part of gnome that has the menu to register itself for notifications from menu |
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| 04:27.54 | nsadmin | dkr: yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, but a test to see if that's the case is warranted |
| 04:28.27 | benjamindees | no it's been restarted; that didn't make a difference |
| 04:28.51 | paissad | can you download successfully the geolitecity.dat.gz file ? |
| 04:28.52 | paissad | http://geolite.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/GeoLiteCity.dat.gz |
| 04:29.25 | wols | benjamindees: intel firmware is NOT downloaded "from a page" |
| 04:30.02 | benjamindees | wols, sure it is. it's an old geocities page with flashing neon graphics. |
| 04:30.12 | benjamindees | completely legit :| |
| 04:30.23 | wols | benjamindees: if have no clue, please don't answer people, ok? |
| 04:30.50 | benjamindees | oh yeah right there's non-free; sorry forgot about that. the intel page is probably more up-to-date though :p |
| 04:31.17 | wols | then please go to #intel and tell peoplere there that. not in here |
| 04:32.04 | benjamindees | . |
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| 04:37.25 | nsadmin | tell the poplars too, trees want to know! |
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| 04:44.16 | oh_noes | do processed run as root get any higher resource allocation or anything when it comes to cpu or memory? |
| 04:45.36 | \amethyst | not by default, but root can use nice or renice to increase priority (normal users can only decrease priority) |
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| 04:46.29 | \amethyst | also, root can raise resource limits (with ulimit), while normal users can only decrease them |
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| 04:46.59 | \amethyst | There is one case where root gets special resources by default: a certain percentage of space in each filesystem is reserved for root |
| 04:47.13 | \amethyst | so that root can log in even if the disk fills up |
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| 04:51.32 | oh_noes | \amethyst: ok thanks. I have a program with one of our apps that runs as root, were finding that what java is telling us for its memory usage doesnt match the OS |
| 04:51.38 | oh_noes | so not sure where to look at it to confirm |
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| 04:53.07 | \amethyst | oh_noes: how are you getting the memory using in Java and from the OS? Probably they're reporting different things |
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| 05:27.29 | linuxjones317 | how can i find out what compiler was used for my kernel? |
| 05:28.37 | \amethyst | linuxjones317: cat /proc/version |
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| 05:29.31 | RayzrShrp | hola |
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| 05:30.21 | RayzrShrp | anybody awake in here? |
| 05:31.09 | dondelelcaro | RayzrShrp: no |
| 05:31.19 | RayzrShrp | looks that way |
| 05:31.47 | k\t | hmm - im looking for something that will let me switch between X-displays e.g. ( 0.0 to 0.2 ... 0.1 to 0.0... etc.) |
| 05:32.39 | RayzrShrp | you mean different versions? |
| 05:33.13 | dondelelcaro | k\t: a reasonable window manager can do that |
| 05:33.22 | benjamindees | k\t, chvt |
| 05:35.11 | \amethyst | k\t: you're talking about different screens in the same display (dual-head without xinerama)? |
| 05:35.24 | k\t | lolz... check it... i used awesomewm on my triple head display.. but i got overy frustrated with lua so now i'm using dwm... dwm supports xinerama multi display with screen toggling but i hate xinerama, therefore i'm using each screen independently and need some way to warp between displays... something i can hammer in to xbindkeys will be nice |
| 05:36.26 | \amethyst | k\t: I've seen (and used to use) a script to do that with sawfish, but I don't know about other WMs |
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| 05:36.44 | dondelelcaro | k\t: ah, yeah, awesome does it quite well. I don't know whether dwm can or not |
| 05:36.46 | k\t | this is what i'm dealing with: http://tinyurl.com/yfm2abw |
| 05:36.51 | dondelelcaro | k\t: but it's WM specific |
| 05:36.55 | k\t | in xinerama it can... |
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| 05:37.13 | dondelelcaro | k\t: awesome can do it with or without xinerama |
| 05:37.15 | k\t | but most of my programming... (scripts =P) were set up without using xinerama... so... |
| 05:37.32 | k\t | true, but i got overly frustrated at lua |
| 05:37.46 | dondelelcaro | k\t: you don't really need to learn lua; there are examples, and the default works for most things |
| 05:37.50 | k\t | x2x and a few others are ok... |
| 05:38.12 | k\t | i mean x2x is supposedly to support something i speak of... |
| 05:38.28 | \amethyst | with dwm does one run two copies, one per screen? |
| 05:38.45 | k\t | really - all i need to do is somehow get the mouse over to display=:0.[0-2] then i'll be ok... |
| 05:39.32 | k\t | no, it started on display :0.0 ... then i intentionally exec'd further copies supplying the display for the other two screens. |
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| 05:40.05 | k\t | but the screen toggle trick does not work well, |
| 05:40.40 | k\t | plus, my Xorg is sloppy right now - something about fglrx not supporting xserver in testing so i just ran a sloppy upgrade... =\ |
| 05:40.50 | dondelelcaro | k\t: there are bits in xautomation and xwit |
| 05:40.54 | k\t | downgrad* |
| 05:41.41 | k\t | maybe i'll be able to get something working... |
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| 05:48.07 | k\t | xwit seems alright.. |
| 05:53.57 | Arrowmaster | k\t: whats wrong with lua? |
| 05:54.18 | k\t | i suck at coding. |
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| 06:08.57 | daltio111 | guys i want to write a script which grep on su logs from auth.log any idea? |
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| 06:09.05 | daltio111 | how i do this |
| 06:11.18 | squisher | daltio111, add it to ~root/.bashrc, and use 'su -' |
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| 06:14.43 | benjamindees | something seems to have disabled tapping on my synaptics touchpad o__O |
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| 06:15.43 | RayzrShrp | c;ear |
| 06:16.00 | benjamindees | Enter Password: |
| 06:16.19 | lucid | GOD |
| 06:16.19 | RayzrShrp | anybody in here been able to get windows 7 to connect to xrdp |
| 06:16.24 | lucid | rm -rf / |
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| 06:16.59 | adb | lucid, not says that , never |
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| 06:18.07 | lucid | adb- it was a joke in regard to a fake password login, not a question; nor directed toward any person |
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| 06:18.41 | adb | lucid, anyways not funny joke .. |
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| 06:19.28 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: supposedly it's fixed in xrdp 0.5, which is not yet in Debian (even sid) |
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| 06:19.48 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 06:20.26 | TomyLobo | is there any tool that i can pass a .deb file and it'll do automatic dependency resolution (downloading and installing)? |
| 06:20.49 | TomyLobo | somewhat like aptitude install, except for .deb files |
| 06:21.25 | squisher | Can anyone recommend a password manager that works on the console? I used to use cpm, but it's not well maintained. Yapet is nice, but stores the passwords completely unstructured... |
| 06:21.40 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: so is it in backports? |
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| 06:22.14 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: hm, now I'm confused... the xrdp homepage doesn't list a 0.5 (and seems not to have been updated in a few years)... but there's a post in freebsd-ports saying 0.5.0 fixes it |
| 06:22.19 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: no, it's not in Debian at all |
| 06:22.42 | benjamindees | TomyLobo, that's not really a great idea, so no I don't think there is anything that supports it |
| 06:22.52 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: well that sucks |
| 06:23.23 | \amethyst | ah, it's not released, but is still in CVS |
| 06:23.24 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: i would love to be able to remote into my debian box from work using their windows remote desktop client |
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| 06:23.48 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: I would say it's worth filing a bug against the xrdp package |
| 06:24.04 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: i have no idea how to go about filing a bug |
| 06:24.29 | TomyLobo | benjamindees well sometimes you have 3rd-party packages that require other packages to be installed. for instance, i installed rabbitvcs and it required a bunch of packages which i had to download manually |
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| 06:24.34 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: reportbug xrdp and follow the prompts |
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| 06:24.52 | nsadmin | TomyLobo here's an off-the-cuff kludge... put the .deb into an aptable repo (not mirror form, the other form) and apt-get it |
| 06:25.10 | TomyLobo | well, i had to tell aptitude to download them. but still, effort is involved where the package manager has enough data to automate the process |
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| 06:25.22 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: it might be worth mentioning that, allegedly, 0.5.0 from CVS works with Windows 7: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xrdp/develop |
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| 06:26.17 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: what does CVS stand for again? |
| 06:26.29 | daltio111 | squisher |
| 06:26.38 | daltio111 | what u mean |
| 06:26.41 | TomyLobo | nsadmin but "apt-whatever install moo.deb" would still be so much nicer |
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| 06:26.47 | lucid | Concurrent Version System? |
| 06:26.48 | nsadmin | CVS is that pharmacy chain in wallgreens |
| 06:27.00 | daltio111 | i want to write a script which grep su log attemts and write in a file |
| 06:27.07 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: 'concurrent versions system', a version control system. in this case, it's referring to the in-development xrdp code that hasn't yet had an official release |
| 06:27.20 | nsadmin | TomyLobo: doesn't exist now. do you want to do this right now or add a feature to apt-whatever? |
| 06:27.25 | RayzrShrp | daltio111: fail2ban might be able to do that |
| 06:27.26 | squisher | daltio111, when you become root using 'su -', it'll be a login shell and .bashrc will be executed. So you can add your script there |
| 06:27.54 | \amethyst | squisher: login shells don't source .bashrc |
| 06:28.15 | wols | TomyLobo: you install the package with dpkg and the -f install the rest via apt |
| 06:28.19 | nsadmin | TomyLobo and depending on where the .deb in question originated from and what it's part of, it may or may not work |
| 06:28.24 | TomyLobo | nsadmin nah i just thought someone must have thought of this, just so i dont have to search next time |
| 06:28.25 | \amethyst | squisher: and I don't think daltio111 is asking what you think he's asking |
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| 06:28.32 | squisher | \amethyst, ugh, .bash_profile? |
| 06:28.39 | squisher | ah heh, ok, that might be :) |
| 06:28.53 | \amethyst | daltio111: maybe grep ' su\[' /var/log/auth.log |
| 06:28.59 | nsadmin | well now you know how it can be done, for cases where the .deb is installabla |
| 06:29.35 | TomyLobo | wols dpkg -f installs it broken? |
| 06:29.47 | wols | TomyLobo: read what I wrote again please |
| 06:30.00 | wols | s/the/then |
| 06:30.16 | nsadmin | TomyLobo and btw you should always try unmanned resources before asking other people |
| 06:30.21 | TomyLobo | i don't know what "-f install" means |
| 06:30.32 | wols | TomyLobo: then you need to read more debian docs |
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| 06:30.34 | nsadmin | TomyLobo man aptitude |
| 06:30.55 | nsadmin | I mean... |
| 06:30.58 | wols | and dpkg installs anything with enough --force applied |
| 06:31.04 | TomyLobo | could have been anything. i know aptitude -f install |
| 06:31.04 | nsadmin | you can look at it this way.... |
| 06:31.06 | RayzrShrp | lol |
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| 06:31.32 | nsadmin | if you do the reading, you'll find out things you will never know without doing it |
| 06:31.50 | nsadmin | if you don't |
| 06:31.55 | nsadmin | you won't |
| 06:32.04 | TomyLobo | last time i installed a package with dpkg without resolving the dependencies first, it refused to do that |
| 06:32.13 | TomyLobo | i might have done something wrong though |
| 06:32.17 | RayzrShrp | if my computer has a intel card in it can i remove all the other xservers that aren't for the intel chipset? |
| 06:32.28 | wols | TomyLobo: yay, yet another reason for you to read mode |
| 06:32.36 | wols | RayzrShrp: pointless |
| 06:32.49 | RayzrShrp | wols: figured much |
| 06:33.01 | TomyLobo | wols you mean dpkg manuals? |
| 06:33.19 | RayzrShrp | looks like debian doesn't install glxinfo out of the box |
| 06:33.22 | Prathibha | I have problem in the screen resolution. While installation I have selected the resolution as 1440x900. But the setting the resolution to 1280x1240. How to set the correct resolution? i have Intel graphics card. |
| 06:33.33 | RayzrShrp | must need to install mesa-tools |
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| 06:35.14 | wols | Prathibha: checked your Xorg log if it tried 1440x900? |
| 06:35.29 | benjamindees | hmm, quitting empathy corrupts my screen |
| 06:35.43 | benjamindees | and disables tapping on my touchpad |
| 06:35.47 | RayzrShrp | !lspci |
| 06:35.47 | dpkg | [lspci] a PCI utility to list all PCI devices, provided by the pciutils package. Ask me about <pciids>, <pciid> or <hcl>. Use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to match pciids to devices for the latest kernel. |
| 06:35.53 | daltio111 | amethyst |
| 06:35.56 | daltio111 | thanks |
| 06:35.58 | RayzrShrp | oops sorry |
| 06:36.05 | daltio111 | it works |
| 06:36.12 | RayzrShrp | thought that would shell to my cli and execute that |
| 06:36.17 | daltio111 | act there is lots of logs? |
| 06:36.30 | daltio111 | Sep 2 06:25:09 krb1 su[18812]: (pam_unix) session closed for user nobody |
| 06:36.30 | daltio111 | Sep 2 06:25:09 krb1 su[18814]: Successful su for nobody by root |
| 06:36.30 | daltio111 | Sep 2 06:25:09 krb1 su[18814]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 06:36.34 | daltio111 | why this is so |
| 06:36.49 | daltio111 | if i want only system user who logs in not the cron lgs |
| 06:37.23 | blast_hardcheese | hey there; I followed this tutorial: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/ , it made sense, only took a couple hours to get through, which is good. Unfortunately, when I receive emails, it doesn't seem to be forwarding to dovecot. Instead, the emails are caught by whatever delivers to the local mail server, |
| 06:37.26 | blast_hardcheese | "You have new mail in /var/mail/blast_hardcheese" |
| 06:37.40 | benjamindees | er, no, just changing virtual terminals disables tapping on my touchpad |
| 06:37.49 | \amethyst | daltio111: add | grep -v nobody to exclude all the lines that contain 'nobody' |
| 06:38.13 | Prathibha | wols, I run dpkg-reconfigure command and select the resolution the driver as intel and res as 1440x900. The screen was not stable. |
| 06:38.35 | wols | blast_hardcheese: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/make-postifx-send-mails-to-dovecot |
| 06:38.48 | wols | Prathibha: what debian version is this? |
| 06:39.04 | Prathibha | wols, debian 5 |
| 06:39.10 | blast_hardcheese | wols: Right; That mentions nothing about where in the config file to put the line |
| 06:39.33 | wols | Prathibha: dpkg -l xserver-xorg what version is xorg? |
| 06:40.10 | wols | blast_hardcheese: you simply add it, as is written there |
| 06:40.12 | blast_hardcheese | there are other lines that end up in that config file as well, I've done my best to arrange everything correctly, but since I don't know what program is catching new emails and directing them to the local machine |
| 06:40.14 | Prathibha | wols, its 7.2-5 |
| 06:40.22 | blast_hardcheese | I can't be sure I'm looking at the right thing |
| 06:40.29 | wols | blast_hardcheese: postfix is catching it |
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| 06:40.42 | wols | Prathibha: you do not run lenny |
| 06:40.55 | wols | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 06:40.56 | judd | xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+3; squeeze: 1:7.5+3 |
| 06:41.12 | wols | Prathibha: upgrade to lenny first |
| 06:41.38 | wols | blast_hardcheese: in the howtot it clearly says where to put the entries |
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| 06:42.53 | Prathibha | wols, The one I am running is little old. I installed it few days before lenny became stable. Is there any solution to solve this? |
| 06:43.33 | wols | Prathibha: if you want to ignore the help you asked for, feel free. have a nice day |
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| 06:44.03 | RayzrShrp | so if i'm running lenny and i wanted to go to sid would i have to totally reinsall or could i issue some command to switch me to the unstable version? |
| 06:44.15 | wols | RayzrShrp: you do not want to go to sid |
| 06:44.32 | RayzrShrp | wols: i know more of a curious thing |
| 06:44.34 | k\t | hmm - im looking for something that will let me switch between X-displays e.g. ( 0.0 to 0.2 ... 0.1 to 0.0... etc.) |
| 06:44.36 | k\t | oops |
| 06:44.41 | Prathibha | wols, I didn't mean that... I am just asking without upgrading is there possibility to solve this.. That's by correcting xorg.conf file. |
| 06:45.02 | RayzrShrp | wols: would it just be a matter of changing my sources.list and running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:45.06 | wols | k\t: switch how? |
| 06:45.17 | blast_hardcheese | wols: I realize you're busy, and I must be blind, but I honestly can't figure out what you're talking about. I've found the "virtual" MDA in main.cf, but I don't know whether I'm supposed to disable it or what |
| 06:45.21 | k\t | this is hella cheap... http://slexy.org/view/s2m76axTUf |
| 06:45.27 | k\t | need better arithmetic... |
| 06:45.31 | blast_hardcheese | plus the lines I put in are just supposed to go in a particular file |
| 06:45.36 | k\t | or just translate it into better arithmetic... but i can't think of it... |
| 06:45.42 | blast_hardcheese | not anywhere specifically inside that file |
| 06:45.46 | wols | blast_hardcheese: you don't want to disable it. pastebin your master.cf and main.cf |
| 06:45.52 | blast_hardcheese | k |
| 06:45.55 | k\t | the worst part is that i'm decent in math... |
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| 06:47.50 | k\t | and some mod4+comma is writing <cau minus> and mod4+period is writing <cau plus> |
| 06:48.24 | wols | k\t: #bash ? |
| 06:48.37 | k\t | oops... |
| 06:50.02 | \amethyst | k\t: xwit -display :0.$(( (${DISPLAY#*.} + 2) % 3)) for subtracting, + 1 instead of + 2 for adding |
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| 06:51.08 | k\t | wow... |
| 06:51.39 | \amethyst | k\t: + 2 rather than - 1 because mod preserves the sign of the first argument |
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| 06:52.41 | k\t | hmmm.. |
| 06:54.08 | blast_hardcheese | wols: http://whattheflash.com/~blast_hardcheese/postfix/ |
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| 06:55.03 | wols | your master.cf is a wreck. you totally borked the amavis config in there |
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| 06:55.11 | blast_hardcheese | oops. |
| 06:55.13 | k\t | \amethyst: that's great... |
| 06:55.19 | k\t | thanks so much |
| 06:55.55 | blast_hardcheese | wols: Tips? |
| 06:56.09 | \amethyst | k\t: for clarity you could do it in two or three steps: screen=${DISPLAY#*.}; if [[ $c_vl = minux ]]; then increment=2; else increment=1; fi; xwit -display :0.$(( (screen + increment) % 3 )) -select |
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| 06:56.54 | wols | blast_hardcheese: check your mail.log if postfix hands over the mail to /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver |
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| 06:57.36 | blast_hardcheese | wols: Doesn't look like it, I see: (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION") |
| 06:57.47 | k\t | the first example is easier because then i pass either or plux/minux... |
| 06:57.48 | blast_hardcheese | and nothing for dovecot |
| 06:58.00 | wols | blast_hardcheese: mailbox_command looks bad. did you try to configure your postfix before? |
| 06:58.10 | blast_hardcheese | Nope, this is a fresh install |
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| 06:58.15 | wols | blast_hardcheese: the mailbox_command is wrong |
| 06:58.28 | wols | blast_hardcheese: you lie. postfix doesn't use procmail by default. never ever |
| 06:58.42 | blast_hardcheese | wols: uh |
| 06:58.45 | k\t | i probably need more practice with modulo... |
| 06:58.47 | blast_hardcheese | Sorry, no |
| 06:58.51 | k\t | s/need/needed |
| 06:59.13 | blast_hardcheese | Honestly, I installed this box on saturday, followed the tutorial on sunday, and here I am on monday |
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| 06:59.29 | wols | blast_hardcheese: postfix doesn't have procmail as dependency so it can't mention procmail in its config.QED |
| 06:59.33 | blast_hardcheese | I will freely admit I probably screwed something up |
| 07:00.12 | wols | as I said: remove that line, clean up master.cf and fix your amavis setup again |
| 07:00.34 | blast_hardcheese | wols: hostname:/home/blast_hardcheese# aptitude why procmail\nid postfix Suggests procmail |
| 07:00.46 | blast_hardcheese | :\ |
| 07:00.47 | RayzrShrp | i feel like this error has excisted in every install of x i have ever had |
| 07:00.50 | RayzrShrp | (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. |
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| 07:01.04 | wols | RayzrShrp: and what makes you think this is an error? |
| 07:01.22 | RayzrShrp | wols: well i guess it's not an error but a warning |
| 07:01.22 | adb | it's (WW) |
| 07:01.27 | wols | RayzrShrp: feel free to install cyrillic fonts |
| 07:01.32 | RayzrShrp | lol |
| 07:01.55 | RayzrShrp | those are not even in english are they? |
| 07:02.13 | wols | if you have to ask... |
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| 07:02.27 | wols | do you honestly think there are "english fonts"? |
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| 07:02.34 | kaushal | hi |
| 07:02.36 | kaushal | Is there a way to find out Network latency for a particular IP where ping is disabled ? |
| 07:02.39 | \amethyst | Cyrillic is the alphabet used by Russian, Bulgarian, and a number of other languages |
| 07:02.54 | \amethyst | if you want to get rid of the warning, you could install xfonts-cyrillic, or remove the FontPath entry for that directory |
| 07:02.57 | RayzrShrp | wols: well no not 'english' fonts |
| 07:02.57 | wols | kaushal: ping gives you the latency. ping <ip> and you get it |
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| 07:03.51 | RayzrShrp | wols: but fonts that would only be useful for other languages |
| 07:03.51 | wols | kaushal: try mts or traceroute |
| 07:03.51 | kaushal | wols: ok |
| 07:03.51 | RayzrShrp | so is this WW fine too? |
| 07:03.51 | RayzrShrp | (WW) intel(0): Failed to allocate texture space. |
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| 07:03.56 | kaushal | wols: whats the package name for mts ? |
| 07:04.04 | wols | sorry. mtr |
| 07:04.07 | kaushal | ok |
| 07:04.22 | wols | mtr is a nicer traceroute |
| 07:04.45 | RayzrShrp | traceert lol anybody see that youtube video with that kid? |
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| 07:05.28 | k\t | works like a charm... only thing is that firefox is trapping cursor movment... ??? |
| 07:06.41 | kaushal | wols: mtr needs gui right ? |
| 07:06.54 | kaushal | how about on the server side ? |
| 07:07.18 | wols | mtr is a console program |
| 07:07.24 | kaushal | ok |
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| 07:08.05 | wols | dunno why it depends on libgtk :( |
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| 07:08.26 | wols | Description: Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
| 07:08.42 | wols | never used it in X. maybe mtr-tiny is console only |
| 07:09.07 | RayzrShrp | wols: what file do i need to remove that fontpath out of? |
| 07:09.25 | RayzrShrp | wols: i looked at /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it's not in there |
| 07:09.28 | wols | dunno. grep -r cyrillic /etc |
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| 07:10.39 | \amethyst | hm, it must be in the default font path |
| 07:11.08 | RayzrShrp | i found /etc/X11/xkb/base.xml |
| 07:12.15 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: where is the default font path located? |
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| 07:12.30 | wols | probably inside a X binary |
| 07:12.38 | \amethyst | hard-coded into the X server I would imagine |
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| 07:12.51 | RayzrShrp | ok well then im not going to be getting rid of that anytime soon |
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| 07:13.38 | \amethyst | you could add an explicit "Files" section with only the FontPath entries you want, but that seems a bit overkill |
| 07:14.19 | RayzrShrp | so i did a cat /var/log/Xorg.o.log | grep WW and got this |
| 07:14.22 | RayzrShrp | (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x29 |
| 07:14.39 | RayzrShrp | and a bunch more ending in 0x32 |
| 07:14.54 | RayzrShrp | looks like my crappy intel card isn't totally supported |
| 07:15.14 | \amethyst | PS1="oh hai etc," |
| 07:15.15 | \amethyst | doh |
| 07:15.33 | RayzrShrp | Intel Corporation 82865G |
| 07:15.41 | RayzrShrp | i read a lot about those having issues |
| 07:16.46 | RayzrShrp | but im stuck with it since my debian box is installed on an old hp box with a lowprofile video card |
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| 07:18.18 | Ghost1227 | i'm trying to write a daemon for debian, but i don't understand the # Required-Start: and # Required-Stop: lines in the skeleton file... can anyone give me a few tips? |
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| 07:20.16 | RayzrShrp | night guys |
| 07:20.29 | RayzrShrp | thanks for your help wols, \amethyst |
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| 07:22.12 | k\t | all other browsers... chrome, opera, links, dillo -> seem to handle the modification well... makes me wonder what firefox is up to? |
| 07:22.22 | k\t | it must trap mod4 in some way... |
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| 07:23.57 | Ghost1227 | no one huh |
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| 07:24.45 | nooper | i know i saw that documented somewhere but i cant seem to find it, Ghost1227 |
| 07:24.51 | nooper | !lsb |
| 07:24.51 | dpkg | well, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/ or very incomplete |
| 07:25.03 | nooper | but that page is vague |
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| 07:26.22 | nooper | Ghost1227: this might help http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 07:27.06 | Ghost1227 | nooper: you're awesome. that's perfect |
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| 07:31.12 | manixor | Hi all. |
| 07:31.22 | manixor | How can I install the last version of pidgin? |
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| 07:31.40 | adb | backports |
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| 07:32.35 | adb | !tell manixor about pidgin |
| 07:32.36 | manixor | adb I'm new in Debian. I add this in sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free, what should be the next step? |
| 07:32.55 | adb | install it |
| 07:33.14 | manixor | adb aptitude install pidgin ? |
| 07:33.27 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:34.16 | nvz | manixor: -t lenny-backports |
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| 07:35.17 | EagleWatch | hi all! I'm searching for something to setup how many cpu's to use |
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| 07:36.02 | nvz | EagleWatch: its called an OS and it uses however many you have |
| 07:36.15 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: you want to limit the number of CPUs that you use? |
| 07:36.38 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: if the problem is that it's only using one CPU/core and you have multiple, make sure you're not using the -486 kernel |
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| 07:37.32 | EagleWatch | \amethyst, so... on 8 cores i sould NOT use 486? |
| 07:37.39 | nvz | haha |
| 07:37.45 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: correct |
| 07:37.53 | EagleWatch | \amethyst, what else? |
| 07:38.16 | nvz | well you should also not wear a paper hat, and ask would you like fries with that.. |
| 07:38.17 | benjamindees | echo 0 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online |
| 07:38.24 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: you should be using -686 at least, possibly even -686-bigmem or -amd64 if you want >= 4GB of ram |
| 07:39.02 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: (I believe in squeeze -686 is already bigmem, so that last part only applies on lenny) |
| 07:39.11 | EagleWatch | \amethyst, a 686 is installed :D |
| 07:39.47 | EagleWatch | and all my 4G are seen |
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| 07:39.52 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: and it's not using all your CPUs ? |
| 07:40.33 | \amethyst | I might be wrong about the bigmem by default in squeeze thing... I thought I heard that, but I see that p.d.o still lists both versions |
| 07:40.35 | EagleWatch | \amethyst, I've started a flop test and only one core is 100% |
| 07:40.44 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: run multiple copies |
| 07:40.57 | EagleWatch | \amethyst, just a sec |
| 07:41.14 | \amethyst | EagleWatch: probably that program is single-threaded... the OS can't make a single-threaded process use more than one CPU |
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| 07:43.12 | EagleWatch | \amethyst, yes... is simple-threaded... 7 copies.- 7 cores up |
| 07:43.38 | EagleWatch | i guess i have to sum all results :D |
| 07:44.19 | nvz | mutters something about not the only simple-threaded thing around here |
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| 07:51.24 | jelly-home | !poke nvz |
| 07:51.24 | dpkg | pokes nvz with a cattle prod |
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| 07:51.47 | nvz | !yinzersmite jelly-home |
| 07:51.48 | dpkg | jelly-home: yinz a jagoff |
| 07:52.04 | nvz | wow, I havent heard that one in a long time.. |
| 07:52.15 | nvz | classic pittsburgh insult |
| 07:52.19 | jelly-home | whut |
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| 07:52.59 | mithdagor | i have an odd problem with my soundcard's aux and cd port. i have a tv tuner connected to the aux port but the port seems to not be working. if i switch the cable to the cd port it works like 60-70% of volume no matter what i do. tv-time can't change the volume. i know that the aux port is ok, did tested with win$ wome time ago. any suggestions to work around this? |
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| 07:56.35 | jelly-home | mithdagor: is there an aux capture control in alsamixer? |
| 07:56.57 | mithdagor | yup, not working |
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| 08:00.58 | jelly-home | mithdagor: dunno, you could inquire in #alsa as well. tv cards also often have their own sound card so it might not be needed to use the daisy chain audio cable |
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| 08:04.31 | mithdagor | jelly-home, did asked in there too. nothing yet. the cable is required anyway. this problem i had on all *nix i used. only on win worked corectly. |
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| 08:26.42 | eevar2 | any reason why "aptitude search irssi" doesn't find anything on squeeze? |
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| 08:28.37 | drekkett | eevar2 wrong repositories? |
| 08:28.55 | nvz | judd versions irssi |
| 08:28.56 | judd | irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.14-1; squeeze: 0.8.14-1 |
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| 08:29.32 | nvz | eevar2: pastebin your sources.list? |
| 08:30.19 | eevar2 | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 08:30.33 | eevar2 | guess i should switch mirrors? |
| 08:31.38 | eevar2 | there's also a deb-src line which is identical except for "-src" |
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| 08:31.55 | igawoem | hi |
| 08:32.03 | igawoem | i want to boot dos from grub2 |
| 08:33.08 | igawoem | i got a small dos partition on /dev/sda1 32mb fat16 |
| 08:33.17 | eevar2 | never mind, it works now. but didn't last night |
| 08:33.40 | nvz | eevar2: hah, I was about to suggest an aptitude update, as the package is def on that mirror |
| 08:33.55 | eevar2 | aptitude update had a lot to download, so might have been some kind of index issue |
| 08:34.18 | nvz | yeah there was something wrong with your package cache |
| 08:34.44 | nvz | igawoem: what kinda drugs are you on? heh |
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| 08:35.40 | nvz | igawoem: first off, dos is not on topic here, 2ndly there is virtually nothing you can do in dos you cannot do in dosbox, or one of the other dos emu's or with VirtualBox, qemu..etc VMs and just install your dos there |
| 08:36.54 | igawoem | nvz: first do you have a problem with your manners? |
| 08:37.05 | igawoem | 2nd: i need it, accept it |
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| 08:37.27 | igawoem | and 3rd: yes i take some drugs, usualy alcohol, but not much |
| 08:37.41 | nvz | there is no problem with my manners, I don't have any. Its still not on topic, and I highly doubt you need it. |
| 08:38.02 | igawoem | i just ask for a way to boot up into dos, from within deb |
| 08:38.23 | nvz | I told you, use one of the many VMs, dosbox.. etc |
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| 08:38.42 | igawoem | nvz: nah i need native DOS, no vmware, i need direct access to the hardware |
| 08:39.06 | nvz | haha. you scare the shit out of me |
| 08:39.22 | eevar2 | then you don't want to run it "from within debian" |
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| 08:39.34 | nvz | eevar2: where are your manners? ;) |
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| 08:39.57 | igawoem | i just want a menuentry in grub.cfg to boot /dev/sda1 or something |
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| 08:40.26 | nvz | igawoem: yes, it should already be in there.. how to chainload, you only need to uncomment it and modify |
| 08:40.59 | igawoem | ah i thought its more complex, but thats why i ask first |
| 08:41.11 | igawoem | and arrogance doesnt' count anyway |
| 08:41.32 | igawoem | nobody is born with linux knowledge sir |
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| 08:41.57 | nvz | I think this guy named Linus Torvalds... |
| 08:42.34 | majhool | no, it took him like twenty years |
| 08:42.49 | nvz | majhool: to get a computer.. yeah.. |
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| 08:42.53 | nvz | heh |
| 08:43.31 | nvz | its the whole world's fault for not buying that nerd a computer sooner |
| 08:43.36 | k\t | grub yak! |
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| 08:43.57 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 08:44.26 | MaxFrames | I'm getting crazy trying to install vmware-tools in debian 5, can you please help me with all the obscure errors I am getting? |
| 08:44.46 | nvz | MaxFrames: only if you show them to us. (pastebin) |
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| 08:45.57 | MaxFrames | I am running the config script, and it asked for the kernel sources, so I installed them to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26, but now the config script complains that the linux/version.h file is missing, and I dunno what to do |
| 08:47.53 | nvz | me either since you're too stubborn to paste the error message |
| 08:49.12 | MaxFrames | I am *trying* to get again to the point where the error message comes up |
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| 08:49.26 | MaxFrames | I am not stubborn by any means, I am trying to do what you asked |
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| 08:50.25 | igawoem | born with a mouse in the fingers and a bash shell in the brain |
| 08:50.45 | majhool | MaxFrames: dpkg -L linux/version.h tells me that you might want to install the linux-libc-dev package |
| 08:51.20 | nvz | uh.. no.. |
| 08:51.59 | majhool | -S |
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| 08:52.36 | kompulsive | shot in the dark here, but any of you have any experience with open-atrium? |
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| 08:52.42 | MaxFrames | http://pastebin.com/ZvL8v5yf |
| 08:53.07 | majhool | nope |
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| 08:54.15 | nvz | notice thats a relative path. which also belongs to the kernel's headers |
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| 08:54.25 | nvz | among many other things |
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| 08:55.05 | nvz | MaxFrames: looks like you just need to install your kernel headers |
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| 08:55.26 | MaxFrames | there is a /linux subfolder inside /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26, but it just does not contain the version.h file |
| 08:55.47 | nvz | MaxFrames: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:56.04 | MaxFrames | already done, and that's what got me here |
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| 08:56.17 | MaxFrames | I installed the headers, and as a result I got a tar.bz2 file |
| 08:56.17 | nvz | MaxFrames: headers are NOT the source |
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| 08:56.39 | nvz | MaxFrames: then tar jxvf the headers |
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| 08:57.43 | nvz | my upstream vanilla source trees do not have include/linux/version.h either, but my headers packages do |
| 08:57.58 | nvz | you do not need the entire kernel sources to build modules, you need the headers |
| 08:58.00 | divided | hello, I saw that the package linux-kbuild-2.6.32 is not available in the lenny-backports repository, so I can't install linux-headers-2.3.32-bpo.2 What can I do about it? |
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| 08:59.15 | MaxFrames | ok, you were right, I downloaded the source but not the kernels |
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| 09:02.20 | nvz | divided: there are however a kbuild for 2.6.30 |
| 09:03.01 | divided | nvz: yes, but the headers package depends on a linux-kbuild-2.6.32 |
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| 09:03.38 | nvz | divided: right, and you need to think long and hard why you're using a kernel image maintained by someone too stupid/lazy to have all the packages needed to do what you're trying to do |
| 09:03.47 | MaxFrames | thanks, it seems to have worked |
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| 09:04.40 | nvz | divided: I have headers for 2.6.32 but thats because I compiled the thing myself with kernel package and made a headers package (and do not need kbuild) |
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| 09:05.01 | divided | nvz: well, I thought the backports maintainers know what they are doing :) |
| 09:05.10 | nvz | frankly I don't think you need kbuild either. you should just download only the headers, then force it to install ignoring depends |
| 09:05.27 | nvz | or think about using a different kernel |
| 09:05.31 | divided | ok, i will try that route |
| 09:05.34 | divided | thanks |
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| 09:07.34 | nvz | divided: if you force that headers package to install and it works for your purposes, let me know. cause I've heard a lot of people complain about that exact issue lately. I'm fairly certain that the headers alone will let you build a module. I'm fairly new to this whole kbuild crap, but its just one more step that the maintainers manage to screw up. |
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| 09:08.53 | blast_hardcheese | wols: If you're still around, everything looks fine now; I did some digging in the log files to track down specific problems; Honestly I'm not sure how that line about procmail got in there, I didn't put it there |
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| 09:14.09 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese not sure (at all) either, but procmail is a fairly good choice for an MDA, delivery agent used by your MTA |
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| 09:16.17 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Why are there so many MTA/MDA implementations? |
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| 09:17.26 | nsadmin | historical I suppose |
| 09:17.45 | nsadmin | look into procmail, reason it's pretty good is it' |
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| 09:17.58 | nsadmin | s got lots of user features |
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| 09:18.05 | yang | Which package do I need to be able to have the missing firmware installed - http://pastebin.ca/1818808 |
| 09:18.40 | rgr | procmail is good because its pretty much the default and there are oodles of examples. |
| 09:18.48 | yang | tg3 and r8169 |
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| 09:19.30 | tdn | I am trying to add this ldif http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1494.html, using this command: ldapadd -h localhost -f sogo.ldif -x -w ********** -D cn=Manager,dc=sikkerhed,dc=org I get the error: ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49). If I do not specify password, I get this error: ldap_bind: Server is unwilling to perform (53) additional info: unauthenticated bind (DN with no password) disallowed. My slapd.conf is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1 |
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| 09:20.10 | jelly | yang: enable the non-free repositories, then use apt-file to find out. |
| 09:20.49 | yang | http://pastebin.com/LLa3Bk7V Will it boot after this ? |
| 09:21.08 | jelly | yang: /msg dpkg non-free sources, /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 09:22.36 | jelly | yang: it will likely boot, but that network interface may or may not work |
| 09:22.43 | yang | i have apt-file , but apt-file search rtl8168d-2.fw doesn't give anything |
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| 09:24.16 | jaggz | is it just me or do other people have problems when using rsync, trying to prevent it from wanting to copy files which already are the same? |
| 09:24.19 | jelly | dpkg: rtl8168d |
| 09:24.19 | dpkg | [rtl8168d] the RealTek RTL8168D Ethernet controller, supported by <r8169> since Linux 2.6.31. v1 is supported in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21, ask me about <5.0.4>. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for v1 and v2 was removed; not packaged due to no clear redistribution permission (BTS #561309, #564628). Both versions can operate without userspace firmware as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3, see also http://bugs.debian.org/564010#17 |
| 09:24.23 | yang | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64: /lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko |
| 09:24.49 | jaggz | I'm using cd pathx; rsync -vazn u@h:/pathx/ ./ |
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| 09:25.15 | yang | dpkg: r8169 |
| 09:25.15 | dpkg | [r8169] the RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. linux-2.6 2.6.26-21 corrects several bugs relating to r8169, ask me about <5.0.4>. |
| 09:25.27 | jelly | jaggz: are timestamps and permissions matching? |
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| 09:25.49 | yang | jelly: so, it's in the linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64, then I guess no extra package is needed ? |
| 09:26.25 | jelly | yang: that's what the rtl8168d factoid says. I do not have that hardware and do not know if it's true. |
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| 09:26.31 | yang | ok |
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| 09:26.42 | jaggz | the local one's time is newer, perms are difference since one is debian the other is windows.. but I'm whining because I "always" have this problem even among my debian systems |
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| 09:26.45 | romgo | Hi guys I would like to create a custom debian CD, I think I'll use simple-cdd, but I don't find how to configure simple-cdd in order to use my own .deb kernel package any idea ? |
| 09:26.58 | yang | jelly: I guess I can find out after reboot, if it will boot at all |
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| 09:27.02 | jaggz | and I don't know how to stop it.. :/ |
| 09:27.15 | yang | jelly: the trobule is I am on a remote system with no serial console |
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| 09:27.40 | jelly | yang: don't upgrade, then |
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| 09:27.44 | yang | jelly: after installing linux-firmware the libudev got removed, is that ok ? |
| 09:27.48 | jaggz | these others are different but they don't want to copy |
| 09:27.56 | jelly | yang: I truly have no idea |
| 09:28.57 | jelly | jaggz: so if you run rsync with exact same parameters two times in a row, it still wants to copy something? |
| 09:29.01 | jaggz | no wait.. it's getting them all.. trying another dir now.. |
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| 09:31.11 | jaggz | great, it made their filedates older and now it's happy |
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| 09:31.34 | jaggz | I copied the files over and diff'ed them and they're the same.. it still wanted to copy them |
| 09:32.23 | jelly | jaggz: that's normal. |
| 09:32.39 | jelly | you said you didn't reproduce the timestamps |
| 09:32.47 | jelly | replicate* |
| 09:33.11 | tdn | This is what is written in the syslog, while trying to add sogo.ldiff using password: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1495.html |
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| 09:33.57 | nocturnus | how can i offset my pages for printing with CUPS's lp command? |
| 09:34.03 | nocturnus | why is this operation so freaking hard? |
| 09:35.33 | jaggz | okay.. I think it's just handling the timestamps :) |
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| 09:36.16 | jaggz | sent 2430 bytes received 119 bytes 1699.33 bytes/sec total size is 279581 speedup is 109.68 |
| 09:36.30 | yang | jelly: the boot fails :/ |
| 09:37.13 | jaggz | can rsync give more details on each file? I have this other problem where maybe some are updated |
| 09:37.33 | jelly | jaggz: you could try reading the manual... |
| 09:37.56 | nocturnus | jaggz: what app produced that output? |
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| 09:38.13 | jaggz | rsync.. I removed one \n |
| 09:38.17 | nocturnus | k |
| 09:38.23 | linduxed | how much swap would be optimal for a netbook? |
| 09:38.27 | maxagaz | How should I put this : "sudo ip addr add 10.100.102.233/24 dev eth0" in my /etc/network/interface (or somewhere else?) ? The interface already has an address, do I have to call it like this : "auto eth1:x" ? |
| 09:38.45 | linduxed | it's got 1GB RAM |
| 09:38.47 | maxagaz | or is :x unnecessary |
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| 09:39.56 | jelly | maxagaz: how many additional addresses do you plan to have? |
| 09:41.07 | maxagaz | jelly, only one |
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| 09:41.15 | maxagaz | jelly, for squid+iptables |
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| 09:41.55 | K0JIbKA | Update Manager in GNOME is complaining <The update information is outdated. This may be caused by network problems. Please update manually by clicking on this icon and then selecting 'Check'>. Upon performing that it didn't find some repository. Error 404. And continues to give alert of manual update. What should I do? |
| 09:42.04 | jelly | maxagaz: if it's just one, you could write a separate alias stanza (auto eth1:0 and iface eth1:0 inet static, etc), if it were more I'd suggest putting post-up ip a add lines |
| 09:42.06 | K0JIbKA | That's Lenny |
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| 09:43.20 | jaggz | jelly, I have.. and just read more.. -vvv displays extra stuff which doesn't seem to be useful |
| 09:43.25 | jelly | maxagaz: just remember not to put a gateway line in the alias definition |
| 09:43.32 | _tux | i need some help with a wlan card |
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| 09:44.55 | jelly | K0JIbKA: which debian release are you using? pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 09:45.11 | nocturnus | http://www.cups.org/newsgroups.php?s20330+gcups.general+v20349+T0 <--- help me with this please |
| 09:45.15 | jelly | oh, you already answered the first bit |
| 09:45.18 | jaggz | two -v's tells me if a file is uptodate, but nothing tells me "This one is the same data but the timestamp needs updating" .. that's what I've been looking for. |
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| 09:45.32 | jelly | jaggz: why do you care? |
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| 09:47.29 | jelly | jaggz: I mean I don't know how to see that information, but then again I've never had a need to see it. When rsync updates the timestamps once, there'll be nothing more to update |
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| 09:49.32 | nsadmin | jaggz: you mean make? doesn't do thAT |
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| 09:49.49 | K0JIbKA | jelly: Here we come http://pastebin.com/7Kxh4DH9 |
| 09:50.30 | jaggz | nsadmin, pardon me? |
| 09:50.42 | nsadmin | oh, is this make or rsync? |
| 09:50.50 | jaggz | oh.. sorry.. rsync |
| 09:51.12 | _tux | hi guys i need some help with my wlan card |
| 09:51.14 | nsadmin | oh ok... comparing timestamps... thought it was about make |
| 09:51.26 | jaggz | yeah, make it just ts based :) I had a server die and I'm copying some files from this one system -- but I know some of them are old and some are a bit newer... |
| 09:52.03 | jaggz | one is linux (debian) the other is win7 .. haven't gotten samba sharing to work yet.. I'm trying to do that now so I can use 'meld'. (great program for comparing/merging directory trees) |
| 09:52.08 | nsadmin | lends his remote brute strength but can't lift the wlan card... |
| 09:52.40 | jaggz | I don't care about timestamps actually, just want to see if they differ.. |
| 09:53.16 | jaggz | can't seem to find a way to make rsync tell me details on HOW they differ when they do.. |
| 09:53.23 | jaggz | or I don't see the indicator |
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| 09:55.40 | jaggz | like, I just scp'ed this 2mb file over, so it's the same on both sides.. but since the timestamps are different it still shows it like all the other files (doesn't say "is uptodate") |
| 09:55.51 | jaggz | anyway, just if anyone knew it would have been nice :) |
| 09:56.11 | K0JIbKA | jelly: does it help? |
| 09:57.19 | nsadmin | _tux give all the details |
| 09:58.04 | peterrooney | jaggz: what is the timezone on each machine? |
| 09:58.07 | _tux | i have a prism wlan card and followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54pci |
| 09:58.14 | _tux | with no problem |
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| 09:58.48 | jelly | K0JIbKA: you have lots of third-party crap in there... "aptitude update" will tell more clearly which ones report a 404 http error. |
| 09:58.50 | _tux | i can scan the wlans but my wlan has a wpa2 encryptiona and followed the instructions of http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 09:58.55 | _tux | but doesnt work |
| 09:59.41 | K0JIbKA | jelly: I'll try that now |
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| 10:00.31 | _tux | nsadmin: further more i followed the instructions of configuring the wpa2 configuration at ubuntuusers.de http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/WLAN/wpa_supplicant |
| 10:00.56 | subsu | I've changed User and Group for apache from the default, do I have to do anything debian-specific so this won't create problems when upgrading? |
| 10:01.12 | jaggz | peter, pdt, both. (or pst or whatever our daylight savings is) |
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| 10:02.17 | nsadmin | _tux need more detail on what exactly happened... you give sets of instructions but then all you say is "doesn't work" |
| 10:02.36 | jaggz | peter, rsync seems to be behaving properly in its actual copy decision -- just that I can't get it to tell me what that decision is in advance |
| 10:03.18 | nsadmin | and, it won't be me, I'm crashing soon |
| 10:03.37 | jaggz | it's not a debian problem.. it's an rsync informational display problem I've never been able to figure out how to get around. |
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| 10:05.28 | _tux | nsadmin: dmesg also says phy0: tx overflow |
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| 10:06.19 | K0JIbKA | jelly: That's remainings of legacy from all other systems which me and my friends are using. I can't rearrange some other persons' computer that is way too far. And I really think that interoperability of Linux and Windows workstations is very important these days. What you think? 'aptitude update' tells this - W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Pa |
| 10:06.33 | poncha | hi. i've got a problem installing debian onto an ibm x3550 m2 server . the netinst wouldnt find any disks, though i have a raid5 array active (on a serveraid 5014) |
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| 10:07.20 | poncha | (the netinst image is of 5.0.4 , downloaded today so i am guessing i have the latest image available) |
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| 10:08.30 | poncha | it (the installer) sends me to pick a driver , i select megaraid_sas but it still gets back with nothing |
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| 10:09.18 | poncha | any ideas what is missing? |
| 10:10.15 | nvz | poncha: are there any tities involved? beer? |
| 10:10.51 | poncha | nvz: our server room doesnt allow these inseid unfortunately :P |
| 10:10.54 | jelly | K0JIbKA: you have conflicting requirements. Either you'll find and fix/remove the broken repo, or you'll keep getting that 404. |
| 10:11.01 | nvz | poncha: then thats whats missing. ;) |
| 10:11.23 | K0JIbKA | got it |
| 10:11.57 | poncha | seriousely though, i've got two ibm servers of this flavor installed recently an didnt have any problem. however here the raid controller is different |
| 10:12.45 | poncha | (by "didnt have any problem" i mean "i only had to load the network firmware off my usb, cause its not included in a netinst image for some reason"... ) |
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| 10:14.08 | poncha | (i am still wondering why netinst have no trace of bnx2 drivers, but thats a solved issue for me at least ) |
| 10:14.12 | K0JIbKA | jelly: that must be some glitch from Google side. Once I got error updating Chrome-browser. Synaptic can't delete old version of google software when update takes place. Should I report bug to developers then? |
| 10:14.51 | themill | poncha: it's yet another sad story of non-free firmware |
| 10:14.55 | jelly | K0JIbKA: developers of what, Chrome? I suppose so. |
| 10:15.00 | simonrvn | stupid question: what's the ETA on the squeeze release? email i can see? some wiki page? |
| 10:15.09 | themill | !wwsr |
| 10:15.09 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 10:15.25 | simonrvn | thanks. the usual eh ;) |
| 10:15.27 | themill | simonrvn: ^^ that post is as good as it gets |
| 10:15.30 | poncha | themill: is serveraid 5014 same kind of sad issue? |
| 10:15.30 | K0JIbKA | simonrvn: :-D be prepared... |
| 10:15.51 | nvz | poncha: I'm not finding anything useful about that raid controller other than getting IBM raid controllers to work in debian is a PITA cause IBM only supports Redhat/SUSE and their kernels |
| 10:16.14 | nvz | poncha: and anything that requires non-free firmware is not going to work with the debian installer very well if at all |
| 10:16.17 | simonrvn | i probably have that email in my inbox somewhere... |
| 10:16.43 | jelly | nvz: which is why I usually go with kmuto's installer for servers |
| 10:16.49 | poncha | nvz: yeah... and ibm officially do not support debian at all, so my support call will be simply ignored if i place it :( they will tell me to install redhat and thn call them |
| 10:17.06 | nvz | poncha: yeah, there is always debtakeover :-P |
| 10:17.09 | jelly | poncha: and they'll be right! |
| 10:17.12 | simonrvn | oh crap 2249 rc bug ones? damn. |
| 10:17.24 | simonrvn | considers checking a few out |
| 10:17.28 | themill | simonrvn: "Number concerning the next release: 869" |
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| 10:17.36 | jelly | simonrvn: someone has been mass-filing rc bugs! |
| 10:17.38 | poncha | jelly: i dont want redhat anywhere near my servers, sorry ;) |
| 10:17.47 | simonrvn | themill: yeh yeh :P |
| 10:17.49 | jelly | poncha: I like having supoprt |
| 10:17.55 | nvz | poncha: you could also as jelly said maybe give the k muto installer a try |
| 10:18.06 | jelly | !tell poncha about kmuto |
| 10:18.08 | poncha | and installing it for the sake of an experiment is a timewaste i dont need |
| 10:18.49 | poncha | are there chances full installer (the dvd) will dicover devices netinst doesnt ? |
| 10:18.51 | poncha | *discover |
| 10:19.05 | jelly | poncha: no, the installer is exactly the same |
| 10:19.13 | simonrvn | based on this, i suspect updating my lenny box to squeeze Would Be a Bad Idea. |
| 10:19.43 | jelly | simonrvn: probably even when it's released :-> |
| 10:19.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 10:20.05 | nvz | it would seem I have to go make some veggies, since there is a steak sitting in the kitchen looking mighty lonely |
| 10:20.06 | K0JIbKA | =-O |
| 10:20.10 | poncha | jelly: btw about installing redhat and then calling... they told us to do this even when internal monitor shown raid card failure... "just to make sure its not an OS issue" they said... |
| 10:20.47 | simonrvn | oh ffs |
| 10:21.14 | jelly | poncha: yeah, that's only expected |
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| 10:22.02 | simonrvn | themill: closer than i expected (that 869) |
| 10:22.26 | themill | fix some today! |
| 10:24.57 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 10:24.58 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html , also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 10:25.29 | Flesje^ | how can i setup syslog to listen for remote messages? |
| 10:25.52 | Flesje^ | did edit: /etc/default/syslogd and syslogd="-r" |
| 10:26.04 | Flesje^ | then rstarted /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 10:26.08 | Gryfelhase | Hi. Can someone give me a hint, what programm hides the mouse-cursor while typing ? |
| 10:26.10 | Flesje^ | but it isnt getting incoming connections |
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| 10:26.15 | poncha | "k muto" ? |
| 10:26.23 | Flesje^ | on an other dbian box i did send them to *.* @<ip> |
| 10:26.29 | Flesje^ | in th syslog.conf |
| 10:26.46 | poncha | i am not familiar with this one... ;) googling ) |
| 10:26.57 | jelly | poncha: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 10:27.52 | jelly | Flesje^: can you confirm the current syslogd process is indeed running with -r parameter? |
| 10:28.03 | Flesje^ | how can i check that |
| 10:28.20 | Flesje^ | root 5171 0.0 0.2 1748 740 ? Ss 12:21 0:00 /sbin/syslogd -r -m0 |
| 10:28.24 | Flesje^ | -r -m0 |
| 10:28.53 | Flesje^ | so should be running |
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| 10:30.00 | poncha | ok, found it... downloading |
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| 10:35.42 | maxagaz | jelly, Ok, I'll go for the stanza but I'd like to to know more about post-up ip a add lines |
| 10:35.53 | maxagaz | jelly, can you tell me how to do it this way ? |
| 10:36.19 | jelly | maxagaz: the manual will tell you about post-up |
| 10:36.41 | jelly | maxagaz: basically just put any command line in there |
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| 10:37.24 | jelly | (and "ip a" is just shorthand for "ip addr") |
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| 10:47.28 | soundvo | hi |
| 10:47.35 | soundvo | command to update debian is apt-get update? |
| 10:47.44 | nocturnus | http://www.cups.org/newsgroups.php?s20330+gcups.general+v20349+T0 <--- help me with this please |
| 10:47.57 | Flesje^ | anyone about the syslogd? |
| 10:48.18 | soundvo | can someone help me? |
| 10:48.48 | nvz | soundvo: you mean upgrade |
| 10:48.52 | soundvo | yeah |
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| 10:49.08 | rvsjoen | dpkg safe-upgrade |
| 10:49.08 | dpkg | somebody said safe-upgrade was the new name for "upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Running aptitude safe-upgrade won't install new packages but that means you might miss security updates that install new packages. Ask me about <full-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
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| 10:49.18 | RickRocK | how to know how centos if i have ffmpeg installed ? |
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| 10:49.42 | jelly | !tell soundvo about why aptitude |
| 10:50.00 | jelly | RickRocK: what? |
| 10:50.27 | soundvo | I still dont understand |
| 10:50.32 | soundvo | i used to use apt-get update |
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| 10:50.33 | Napkin | themill: I fixed debian's brokenness about essential-marked packages without answering your 15 questions about my shoe-size and eye-color and without listening to your hillarious workaround solutions. thank you for your fascist behaviour the other day. please be my guest and ban me. bye. |
| 10:50.34 | soundvo | i try the same now |
| 10:50.40 | soundvo | but i get error that unable to fetch blah blah blah |
| 10:50.42 | RickRocK | how to know on centos if i have ffmpeg installed ? |
| 10:50.42 | soundvo | can someone help me? |
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| 10:50.53 | jelly | soundvo: /msg dpkg update |
| 10:50.58 | nvz | soundvo: apt-get update just updates your package cache (the list of available packages) |
| 10:51.21 | soundvo | but why isnt it doing it |
| 10:51.23 | soundvo | i get an error |
| 10:51.29 | nvz | soundvo: if you want help with errors, you need to paste them in a pastebin like paste.debian.net |
| 10:51.30 | rvsjoen | soundvo: it says unable to fetch when your package list is not updated |
| 10:51.32 | jelly | RickRocK: what is your native language? |
| 10:51.40 | rvsjoen | soundvo: update first, then upgrade |
| 10:51.48 | nvz | soundvo: we can't help you with "blah blah blah" |
| 10:51.49 | soundvo | HOW will i do that |
| 10:51.58 | simonrvn | RickRocK: wrong channel |
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| 10:52.23 | rvsjoen | soundvo: read, both jelly and nvz already told you |
| 10:52.31 | soundvo | there are no commands |
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| 10:52.55 | soundvo | how can i update package list |
| 10:53.00 | soundvo | can someone help me with that |
| 10:53.18 | petemc | you seem beyond help |
| 10:53.21 | valdyn | soundvo: you already got told that the package list is updated with "apt-get update" |
| 10:53.32 | soundvo | thats what I am typing |
| 10:53.36 | soundvo | but it gives me error |
| 10:53.39 | poncha | nvz: a steak is never lonely... for long ;) hehe |
| 10:53.55 | rvsjoen | soundvo: so paste the error then |
| 10:53.57 | valdyn | soundvo: this is unfortunate, but we *cannot* guess your error message |
| 10:53.57 | soundvo | ok wait |
| 10:54.01 | rvsjoen | soundvo: err, pastebin |
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| 10:54.25 | soundvo | http://paste.debian.net/62078/ |
| 10:54.39 | poncha | jelly: ok, thanks. i'l try kmuto as soon as it finishes loading |
| 10:54.49 | nvz | poncha: its not gonna be a steak much longer.. its on its way to becomming a turd now.. lol |
| 10:54.50 | UukGoblin | soundvo, your nameservers are broken :-] |
| 10:55.05 | soundvo | pardon? |
| 10:55.07 | UukGoblin | soundvo, check /etc/resolv.conf and make sure it points at correct and working nameservers |
| 10:55.29 | soundvo | yup it is |
| 10:55.35 | rvsjoen | soundvo: can you ping ftp2.de.debian.org ? |
| 10:56.19 | UukGoblin | ftp.de.debian.org should work too... works here |
| 10:56.19 | soundvo | well |
| 10:56.20 | soundvo | it says |
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| 10:56.22 | soundvo | ping: unknown host ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 10:56.25 | soundvo | but when i do /dns |
| 10:56.26 | soundvo | and ping ip |
| 10:56.27 | soundvo | then it works |
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| 10:56.51 | rvsjoen | what do you mean by '/dns' |
| 10:57.05 | soundvo | when i type /dns ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 10:57.07 | soundvo | i get its ip |
| 10:57.11 | soundvo | in win machine |
| 10:57.18 | soundvo | when i ping the IP instead of the host |
| 10:57.23 | soundvo | i get a ping reply |
| 10:57.30 | soundvo | when i ping the host itself like ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 10:57.33 | soundvo | then it says unknown host |
| 10:57.40 | rvsjoen | oh, so a windows machine on the same network can resolv it |
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| 10:57.49 | soundvo | i am using windows |
| 10:57.52 | soundvo | but i bought a server |
| 10:57.59 | soundvo | which im accessing via putty |
| 10:58.03 | nvz | the gimp is REALLY starting to piss me off with the fact that it will let me open more images than my machine can handle. Eventually it says failed to fork, cannot allocate memory, but that only after I've opened like 6 too many images to allow it to save changes as well.. |
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| 10:58.10 | UukGoblin | does the debian machine have the same DNS servers as the windows one? |
| 10:58.12 | rvsjoen | soundvo: so make sure /etc/resolv.conf has the correct nameservers |
| 10:58.24 | rvsjoen | anyway, I have to go to lunch, good luck with that |
| 10:58.29 | nvz | it should STOP letting me load any more images when its not got enough memory to SAVE one! ugh |
| 10:58.32 | soundvo | it has the correct nameservers dude |
| 10:58.35 | UukGoblin | perhaps your DNS servers are configured not to accept requests from unknown boxes or something |
| 10:59.04 | UukGoblin | try putting "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in /etc/resolv.conf and it will work then :-] |
| 10:59.24 | soundvo | ok how do i do that |
| 10:59.32 | UukGoblin | using a text editor for instance |
| 10:59.33 | UukGoblin | or cat |
| 10:59.38 | UukGoblin | or echo, I mean |
| 10:59.48 | soundvo | all i know is that i can read it like cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:59.52 | soundvo | i dunno how to edit it |
| 11:00.03 | UukGoblin | vim, nano, mcedit |
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| 11:00.06 | jelly | judd: versions postfix |
| 11:00.08 | judd | postfix -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; squeeze: 2.6.5-3; sid: 2.7.0-1 |
| 11:00.14 | jelly | woohoo, 2.7 |
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| 11:00.52 | soundvo | im confused lol |
| 11:01.08 | petemc | !tell soundvo about grounding |
| 11:01.59 | soundvo | look to make it simple |
| 11:02.04 | soundvo | should i email the company |
| 11:02.09 | soundvo | that its the problem in their nameserver |
| 11:02.10 | soundvo | ? |
| 11:02.43 | petemc | yes, email them, tell them you havent got a clue what you're doing and ask them to get someone who does know to look after the machine |
| 11:02.58 | nocturnus | does anyone here know how to offset documents with cups? |
| 11:02.58 | soundvo | ok |
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| 11:06.45 | nvz | nocturnus: offset documents? |
| 11:07.52 | nocturnus | yes |
| 11:08.04 | nocturnus | as in move the doc by 1 inch to the left on the physical piece of paper |
| 11:08.27 | nvz | you mean like setting a margin in the program that you opened the document in, before you send it to cups? :-P |
| 11:08.30 | nocturnus | i.e move the left margin to the right by 1", and the right margin as well |
| 11:08.54 | nocturnus | i need to offset the pages because i want to print a book and bind it myself |
| 11:09.32 | nvz | nocturnus: there may be a way to do that in cups, but I'd do it in whatever program I was printing from by simply changing the page margins there |
| 11:09.41 | soundvo | anyone else |
| 11:09.44 | soundvo | can give some suggestion |
| 11:09.50 | soundvo | how to make a successful apt-get |
| 11:09.55 | soundvo | or tell me a package name to get from apt-get |
| 11:10.01 | soundvo | so i can know that its a ns problem for sure |
| 11:10.06 | soundvo | and nothing wrong with update only |
| 11:10.21 | nocturnus | nvz: wish there was a way to find out how acroread does it |
| 11:11.09 | petemc | soundvo: if you can ping ips but not hostnames, its almost certainly a nameserver issue. if you're not able to edit /etc/resolv.conf to add a nameserver entry, no one here can help you |
| 11:11.47 | soundvo | well if u can tell me the exact command to edit its entry |
| 11:11.48 | soundvo | i can do it |
| 11:11.51 | nvz | nocturnus: http://www.cups.org/doc-1.1/sum.html#4_4_4 |
| 11:11.57 | nvz | nocturnus: that of any use to you? |
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| 11:12.15 | nocturnus | nvz: http://www.cups.org/newsgroups.php?s20330+gcups.general+v20349+T0 |
| 11:12.15 | petemc | soundvo: nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:12.32 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.45 | nocturnus | nvz: same error as that |
| 11:13.12 | nvz | I hate the fact that google chrome sits there looking stupid when I highlight a URL then go middle click in chrome |
| 11:13.27 | nocturnus | middle click doesn't work in chrome? |
| 11:13.31 | nvz | everybody f'n knows that means goto the damn URL I just highlighted |
| 11:13.34 | nvz | SEE! |
| 11:13.46 | soundvo | petemc i tried already pico /etc/resolv.conf and nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:13.50 | soundvo | it says command not found for both |
| 11:13.58 | soundvo | wols whats "your debian repository" ? |
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| 11:14.31 | petemc | soundvo: update-alternatives --list editor , will give you a list of available editors |
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| 11:14.33 | nocturnus | soundvo: you can't find the command 'pico' ? |
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| 11:15.08 | _KaszpiR_ | anyone knows rsync with some decent but simple progress status that would show ETA? |
| 11:15.18 | _KaszpiR_ | --progress is just not enough |
| 11:15.29 | soundvo | petemc ok i can see vim editor there |
| 11:15.32 | soundvo | but ive never used vim |
| 11:15.42 | petemc | now might be a good time to learn |
| 11:15.49 | soundvo | once i did long ago and it was the shittiest ever used |
| 11:15.53 | soundvo | pico is the best |
| 11:15.59 | petemc | wrong |
| 11:16.07 | soundvo | ok just quickly guide me |
| 11:16.09 | soundvo | when i do |
| 11:16.12 | soundvo | "vim /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 11:16.15 | soundvo | what must i do next? |
| 11:16.26 | petemc | i dont do spoon feeding to lazy opinionated people |
| 11:16.46 | soundvo | petemc its a paid server anyways and the company will fix it for me, but if i do it myself now u will save my time |
| 11:16.53 | soundvo | otherwise the company will do it in 24 housr |
| 11:16.59 | soundvo | so instead of trying to show off |
| 11:17.01 | soundvo | why dont u help me |
| 11:17.10 | petemc | im not showing off, i find you quite annoying |
| 11:17.18 | soundvo | i dont understand this logic |
| 11:17.19 | nvz | I 2nd that |
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| 11:17.27 | soundvo | why should i learn something which i dont use all the time |
| 11:17.33 | nvz | which is why I'm looking at porn instead.. |
| 11:17.45 | wols | soundvo: why should we help lazy people for free? |
| 11:17.52 | petemc | it would be quicker to spend 5 minutes learning vim then 30 minutes bitching on irc |
| 11:18.07 | soundvo | wols why dont you say from start then that you want money |
| 11:18.13 | soundvo | anyway how much do u need? |
| 11:18.19 | nvz | haha |
| 11:18.57 | nvz | quotes Don't Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood: "three million dollars.... CASH!" |
| 11:18.57 | wols | if we wanted money we wouldn't hang out here |
| 11:18.59 | soundvo | petemc so you can learn a editor functions in 5 minutes? wow |
| 11:19.10 | soundvo | wols you are making contradicting statements now |
| 11:19.10 | petemc | soundvo: basic vim usage, sure |
| 11:19.12 | petemc | its not hard |
| 11:19.29 | soundvo | why dont you simple tell me how to edit in vim |
| 11:19.33 | soundvo | and tell me what to edit |
| 11:19.35 | soundvo | ill do it in 1 minute |
| 11:19.37 | soundvo | saves 4 minutes |
| 11:19.41 | wols | petemc: best ignore him from now on. unless you have low blood pressure. then it's therapeutic |
| 11:19.42 | nvz | haha |
| 11:19.45 | petemc | im going to stop talking to you completely now |
| 11:19.51 | soundvo | ok |
| 11:19.53 | wintix | on a system with an incoming packet rate of ~5000/s i would like to trigger a command via iptables to dump some traffic if the average is exceeded by say the double request rate. i looked into the iptables recent module and am able to match up to 20 packets per second but it doesn't go higher. any ideas on how to get it done? i also looked into iptables limit but that isn't invertable and therefore not usable.. any hints greatly appreciated |
| 11:20.05 | soundvo | atleast tell me what to edit |
| 11:20.17 | soundvo | what should i change the current nameserver to? |
| 11:20.21 | soundvo | ill learn how to edit myself |
| 11:20.25 | soundvo | but just tell me what to edit |
| 11:20.33 | nvz | soundvo: fwiw nano is installed by default on debian, and is similar to pico I believe |
| 11:20.52 | soundvo | its not installed on this box i bought |
| 11:20.56 | soundvo | but anyway ill try it with vim |
| 11:21.02 | soundvo | if he tells me what exactly I need to edit? |
| 11:21.15 | soundvo | should i remove the current ns and add a new one or what? |
| 11:21.41 | nvz | soundvo: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 11:22.02 | soundvo | 5.0 |
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| 11:24.28 | nvz | soundvo: you can google for open nameservers to use if your DNS is not working |
| 11:25.42 | petemc | that, or read what was already suggested here |
| 11:25.58 | nvz | soundvo: though you really should get in touch with the people hosting this box, especially if you're paying them. cause it seems to be their problem and you don't seem to be capable of fixing it anyhow. |
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| 11:26.56 | Stereo | soundvo: use 4.3.2.1 and 8.8.8.8 |
| 11:27.09 | Stereo | soundvo: install nano with aptitude install nano |
| 11:27.29 | nvz | those are valid nameservers? |
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| 11:27.48 | nvz | Stereo: he can't install anything, thats the root of this whole issue.. heh |
| 11:27.50 | Stereo | nvz: google's :) |
| 11:27.53 | globe_tmp | hi |
| 11:27.54 | Stereo | oh |
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| 11:28.10 | Stereo | but he can edit /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 11:29.01 | nvz | apparently not.. slightly um.. *whispers* "handicapped" |
| 11:29.12 | globe_tmp | ppl wwih logrotate when yu specify a size limit and yu execute the logrotate manually , shall it execute even if not the limite size specified in the conf have been rechead |
| 11:30.18 | nvz | globe_tmp: the vowels are free on freenode, feel free to use as many as you'd like. |
| 11:30.21 | Stereo | !yu |
| 11:30.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
| 11:30.27 | daltio111 | guys i am using date function to get my logs in a file |
| 11:30.46 | daltio111 | today is 3 marcn and logs show Mar 3 |
| 11:30.57 | nvz | globe_tmp: I for one refuse to even read your question until you learn to talk like you've passed 1st grade in some country or another |
| 11:30.58 | globe_tmp | nvz: lol , sorry ... ok :d |
| 11:31.10 | globe_tmp | nvz: i'm native french speaker :d |
| 11:31.34 | globe_tmp | nvz: if britain had colonize us in would speak perfectly :d |
| 11:31.39 | nvz | globe_tmp: how the hell does someone who speaks english as a 2nd language even know how to talk in shorthand much less use that as an excuse? |
| 11:31.41 | globe_tmp | so i guess not my fault !) |
| 11:31.59 | globe_tmp | nvz: yu love english i guess :d ? |
| 11:32.00 | Stereo | globe_tmp: I'm a french speaker and write "you" |
| 11:32.05 | globe_tmp | nvz: from britain :d ? |
| 11:32.13 | nvz | Actually I hate english, and I'm from the USA |
| 11:32.21 | globe_tmp | hrh ! |
| 11:32.22 | globe_tmp | heh |
| 11:32.27 | globe_tmp | ok |
| 11:32.29 | nvz | I just don't like wen ppl talk 2 me like morons |
| 11:32.46 | nvz | but, as they say in your country... C'est la vie... |
| 11:32.49 | wols | !2 |
| 11:32.49 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 11:32.54 | globe_tmp | #debian like #java the talk are always interesting here ... |
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| 11:33.17 | globe_tmp | nvz: my country !!! ; then yu're insulting me :d |
| 11:33.19 | Stereo | you should see the epic trolls we have on #cisco |
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| 11:33.48 | globe_tmp | is not from france .... |
| 11:33.51 | nvz | globe_tmp: insulting the french? ME? never... lol |
| 11:34.07 | nvz | ah.. Canadia? |
| 11:34.27 | globe_tmp | nvz: ok :d now that yu know that i'm not french yu can may be cool up instead of firing over me :d |
| 11:34.28 | nvz | Candida? |
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| 11:34.37 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 11:34.39 | globe_tmp | nvz: north africa .... :d |
| 11:34.48 | daltio111 | there is double space |
| 11:34.54 | daltio111 | in single dates |
| 11:35.13 | daltio111 | i am using this to grep current date logs |
| 11:35.14 | daltio111 | date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}' |
| 11:35.36 | daltio111 | when the dte is in 2 digit it works file |
| 11:35.45 | daltio111 | but for 1 digit |
| 11:35.45 | Stereo | whoa |
| 11:35.51 | daltio111 | Mar 3 |
| 11:35.52 | Blues-Man | i've cross-compiled with make-kpkg and --initrd a kernel but system freeze at boot after " Loading initial ramdisk ...", how can I check why? |
| 11:36.00 | daltio111 | it wont work |
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| 11:36.54 | Stereo | sounds like you want date +%b\ %d |
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| 11:45.27 | globe_tmp | plz this is my logrotate conf http://pastebin.com/0AR9KXxB the problem that it doesn't check the size that i have specified then truncate ; it just truncate ? |
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| 11:47.33 | globe_tmp | nvz: my syntax is correct this time :d ? |
| 11:48.05 | daltio111 | Stero how i add in date |awk -F" " '{print $2, '+%b\ %d' $3}' |
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| 12:02.12 | daltio111 | Stero? |
| 12:02.14 | daltio111 | u there |
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| 12:03.33 | manicman | i have an encrypted partition on /dev/hda2 in a vm. if i boot the vm from hdd ill be asked for my key, ill type it in and it works.... |
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| 12:04.07 | manicman | when i start the vm by using a live cd i cannot open dev/hda2 since the passphase i provide is not accepted |
| 12:04.46 | manicman | i have done this several time with partitions not in a vm but i dont get what i am doing wrong... |
| 12:04.59 | manicman | i am working with virtual box. any hints what i could do wrong? |
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| 12:05.08 | manicman | why my passphase is not accepted? |
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| 12:07.59 | simonrvn | manicman: #virtualbox |
| 12:08.54 | manicman | simonrvn: thx |
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| 12:12.57 | jelly | isn't it #vbox? |
| 12:13.17 | jelly | ah, channel redirections ftw |
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| 12:16.11 | mino | hi |
| 12:16.20 | mino | http://pastebin.ca/1819079 |
| 12:17.01 | mino | is it okay that grub2 set the firs root device to vg1-usr ? I think it should be vg1-boot ... the name vg1-* describes the mounting point |
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| 12:17.19 | mino | all are lvm volumes :) |
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| 12:18.54 | rvsjoen | where is your root |
| 12:18.56 | mino | i think the update-grub scripts are doings something very wrong there... if i edit it by hand it will be always overwritten by a kernel update with apt-get |
| 12:19.34 | mino | rvsjoen: see line 35 (vg1-root) is it |
| 12:19.40 | jelly | mino: you can set _some_ stuff in /etc/default/grub |
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| 12:20.15 | mino | jelly: i know and also i can set stuff by editing the automated scripts in grub.d/ but i want to figure out if this is a bug and i need to report it |
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| 12:21.35 | MaxFrames | hello again |
| 12:21.50 | edl2203 | sou novo no debian, instalei ontem, não consigo o fazer a minha placa de wireless funcionar |
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| 12:22.21 | mino | has someone grub2 running with lvm volumes? And can show his grub.cfg ? It would be nice to see the differences... i thik the first "set root" should be pointing to the /boot disk |
| 12:22.25 | MaxFrames | I have installed tightvncserver, edited the xstartup file (added "starkde &") but when I connect to the :1 desktop, I don't get any window manager |
| 12:22.37 | MaxFrames | just the xsession with the "X" cursor and nothing else |
| 12:23.35 | edl2203 | Guys, I'm new to debian, just installed it last night, I can't get my wireless device to work, could anyone help me please. |
| 12:23.48 | jelly | !pt |
| 12:23.48 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 12:26.14 | rvsjoen | mino: I dont think it has anything to do with lvm |
| 12:26.19 | edl2203 | OK thank you |
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| 12:27.10 | mino | rvsjoen: okay but its a grub problem with the scripts to determine which is the /boot drive ... |
| 12:27.48 | raccoon_ | hey all... i have a question regarding timezones. my default timezone is set to "Europe/Stockholm", both in /etc/timezone and as a symlink from /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Stockholm to /etc/localtime. however, when logging in as a normal user, TZ is set to "America/New York" for some reason. if i login as root (sudo -i) it shows "Europe/Stockholm". what causes my normal users to inherit wrong timezone? |
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| 12:28.49 | rvsjoen | raccoon_: try 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' |
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| 12:29.17 | nsadmin | mino: look at your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 12:29.20 | rvsjoen | that sets the default timezone, if users are getting something else its probably specific to the user |
| 12:30.14 | MaxFrames | I had done the same starting the vncserver as root, the kde session started alright, but there was a warning about running vnc as root |
| 12:30.15 | mino | nsadmin: there is only one entry for (hd0) pointing to my raid hardware device /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
| 12:30.29 | MaxFrames | so I did the very same under regular user account, and kde is not starting... |
| 12:30.34 | nsadmin | then what's the problem? |
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| 12:31.05 | nsadmin | you hve a separate box with drives? |
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| 12:31.52 | mino | nsadmin: http://pastebin.ca/1819079 look at line 12.. i think it is pointing to the wrong lvm volume, it should be vg1-boot not -usr |
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| 12:32.18 | edl2203 | hey guys, I cant get my broadcom bcm4312 to work, cant find the driver, I did some googling already |
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| 12:32.55 | mino | nsadmin: no i want to boot from a /boot drive which is in a lvm volume... i read the docu and it should work all fine... but when i reboot with this config it drops me to the grub shell with: no boot device found |
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| 12:33.44 | mino | nsadmin: so i look into my grub.cfg and i think this special line 12 is generated wrong by update-grub |
| 12:34.10 | bluekoala | Hello, I'm running squeeze and openGL doesn't work; apps that need it run very slowly. AFAIK all the required packages are installed. Can anyone help? |
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| 12:35.36 | mino | i will adjust it by hand now and try |
| 12:36.08 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: pastebin glxinfo |
| 12:36.22 | wols | bluekoala: and tell what videocard you have |
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| 12:36.31 | wols | !tell edl2203 about bcm4312 |
| 12:36.41 | mino | also a question of understanding, is it important that the /boot device should be ext2 formated or can grub2 handle ext3 ? |
| 12:36.42 | raccoon_ | rvsjoen: yeah, thanks, i have run the configuration scripts for tzdata a couple of times and thought i had checked all dotfiles in my users home dir... but it got overriden in .zshrc ;-) |
| 12:36.46 | raccoon_ | rvsjoen: thanks for your time! |
| 12:36.49 | wols | mino: ext3 is fine |
| 12:37.06 | mino | wols: okay, thanks |
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| 12:37.17 | MaxFrames | can anybody help me please? |
| 12:38.09 | wols | MaxFrames: what xstartup file? |
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| 12:38.47 | MaxFrames | "/home/myuser/.vnc/xstartup" |
| 12:38.52 | matteo1990_ | I get an error while installing a package (Kalzium) now i can't apt-get install anything. If i run dpkg --configure -a i get http://pastebin.com/Gyis1wZV ANy help? |
| 12:39.18 | bluekoala | wols: intel GMA900 |
| 12:39.44 | bluekoala | rvsjoen: How do I highlight text and scroll at the same time in X term? |
| 12:39.46 | wols | ,versions kalzium |
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| 12:39.47 | judd | kalzium -- etch: 4:3.5.5-1; lenny: 4:3.5.9-2; squeeze: 4:4.3.4-1; sid: 4:4.3.4-1+b1 |
| 12:40.46 | wols | matteo1990_: make a copy of the file it mentions and then copy the available-old file over it |
| 12:41.25 | themill | dpkg: tell matteo1990_ about multiple ask |
| 12:41.25 | wols | bluekoala: glxinfo > outputfile |
| 12:41.34 | MaxFrames | wols: I have added the "startkde &" line to that file, but all I get when I connect to the vnc server is a grey screen with an X shaped cursor |
| 12:41.52 | wols | MaxFrames: how is the vnc server started? |
| 12:41.59 | bluekoala | wols: thank you |
| 12:42.06 | wols | MaxFrames: why not just use ~/.xinitrc or such? |
| 12:42.34 | nvz | uh, vnc uses its own session file these days IIRC |
| 12:42.36 | MaxFrames | wols: I open a command prompt as user, and type "vncserver :1" |
| 12:42.41 | nvz | in ~/.vnc/ |
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| 12:43.37 | bluekoala | rvsjoen: http://paste.debian.net/62089/ |
| 12:43.40 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: and even simpler, install pastebinit and do 'glxinfo | pastebinit' |
| 12:43.42 | wols | MaxFrames: anything in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 12:43.50 | nvz | not only that, when you run it on the console as he described.. it says starting programs in file: ~/.vnc/blah |
| 12:44.05 | nvz | so it tells you right on the terminal where its looking for the session at |
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| 12:44.15 | bluekoala | rvsjoen: thanks, will keep in mind |
| 12:44.47 | MaxFrames | what is ~/ |
| 12:45.07 | nvz | MaxFrames: ~/ or $HOME is your homedir |
| 12:45.17 | nvz | MaxFrames: your shell understands those terms |
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| 12:48.26 | MaxFrames | http://pastebin.com/bN3X7SLb |
| 12:48.31 | nvz | anywho.. I'm going out for who-knows-how-long.. hah. RTFM and whatnot. I am fairly certain (99.99999999%) that most vncservers in debian now DO NOT use regular xsession files such as .xsession and .xinitrc, but those in ~/.vnc/ by default. |
| 12:48.49 | MaxFrames | this is what there is in that file |
| 12:49.29 | UukGoblin | udev. udev switches my fb on. somehow. |
| 12:49.32 | matteo1990_ | wols, it worked, thx alot |
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| 12:50.34 | likevinyl | is back (gone 10:54:06) |
| 12:50.58 | nvz | likevinyl: you need to turn that kind of stuff off, or not have it display in #debian |
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| 12:51.23 | foobar | hello, does anyone know something about linux-kbuild-2.6.33? |
| 12:51.33 | wols | !tell foobar about anyone |
| 12:51.43 | wols | foobar: and people who run sid should know such things on their own |
| 12:51.44 | nvz | foobar: yeah its not available, and bullshit. |
| 12:51.52 | MaxFrames | http://pastebin.com/3N36xJXL => what line(s) should I add to this xstartup file to be able to connect to the vnc server and get a graphical environment? |
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| 12:52.35 | foobar | i run sid, 2.6.33 is in experimental with unsatisfied dependencies |
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| 12:53.45 | nvz | foobar: you must be confused, this is your IRC client, not your mail client.. where you should be writing a bug report to the debian kernel maintainers via submit@bugs.debian.org |
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| 12:54.53 | MaxFrames | http://pastebin.com/3N36xJXL => what line(s) should I add to this xstartup file to be able to connect to the vnc server and get a graphical environment? |
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| 12:55.06 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, have you been able to look at my pastebin link? |
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| 12:55.10 | wols | !tell MaxFrames about repeat |
| 12:55.19 | foobar | hm; one more thing, will be php 5.3 in lenny? |
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| 12:56.25 | nvz | foobar: no, php5 is 5.2.6 and will not be changing in lenny, EVER |
| 12:56.28 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: did you ever say which card this was ? from what I can tell you are using software rendering |
| 12:56.41 | nvz | foobar: check backports maybe. |
| 12:56.46 | foobar | nvz: why not? |
| 12:56.47 | nvz | judd versions php5 |
| 12:56.48 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, it's an intel GMA900 |
| 12:56.48 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 12:56.54 | nvz | foobar: because lenny is FROZEN |
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| 12:57.09 | wols | it's not frozen, it's stable |
| 12:57.49 | nvz | yeah well frozen makes it easier for idiots who clearly don't understand stable, experimental, the BTS or anything else to understand that we're not f'n changing it |
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| 12:57.59 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: do 'lspci -nn | grep VGA' |
| 12:58.05 | nvz | if you want to explain all that to him, be my guest |
| 12:58.08 | nvz | I'm leaving.. heh |
| 12:58.09 | wols | nvz: royal we now? cool :P |
| 12:58.19 | foobar | nvz: dont tell me i am idiot, you are idiot probably |
| 12:58.39 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller [8086:2592] (rev 04) |
| 12:58.51 | wols | foobar: nvz has slightly more class than you. pluralis majestatis and all |
| 12:58.56 | nvz | foobar: I didn't tell you,. I was telling wols. and you can call me an idiot all you want, I'm certified, have an IQ off the f'n charts, and am not insecure.. so it doesn't bother me |
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| 12:59.15 | nvz | wols: cover up, your sarcasm is showing :-P |
| 12:59.18 | rvsjoen | judd: pciid 8086:2592 |
| 12:59.20 | judd | [8086:2592] is 'Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'intelfb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2592 |
| 12:59.33 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: do you have that module loaded ? 'intelfb' |
| 12:59.43 | soundvo | lol |
| 12:59.49 | soundvo | WHAZUP |
| 13:00.13 | wols | rvsjoen: never having the misfortune of intel gpu chips, does the fb driver control X drm? |
| 13:00.14 | rvsjoen | certified idiot ? sounds nice |
| 13:00.25 | rvsjoen | wols: i'm not sure |
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| 13:00.37 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, how do I check? |
| 13:00.47 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: lsmod | grep intelfb |
| 13:00.49 | wols | rvsjoen: my guess, Xorg log should be more informative of X issues |
| 13:00.50 | nvz | rvsjoen: hah. :) I'd say keep em coming, but I'm leaving and its offtopic |
| 13:00.56 | nvz | walks away |
| 13:01.05 | rvsjoen | you've been leaving for quite a while now :) |
| 13:01.31 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: and pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 13:02.02 | wols | rvsjoen: he's known for making empty promises :P |
| 13:02.10 | efaistos | does anyone use rxvt ? |
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| 13:02.29 | adriaan_ | hi |
| 13:02.31 | wols | efaistos: you just killed a kitten |
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| 13:02.59 | adriaan_ | i'm trying to boot in my new 2.6.32 (amd64) kernel but init doesnt seem to finish loading |
| 13:03.03 | adriaan_ | what can be wrong? |
| 13:03.13 | HollyRain | how to list the files installed by a package? using dpkg? |
| 13:03.15 | efaistos | wols: why ? :p |
| 13:03.16 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, http://paste.debian.net/62094/ and I'm working on the other paste |
| 13:03.26 | rvsjoen | hollyrain: dpkg -L |
| 13:03.34 | HollyRain | ok, thanks |
| 13:03.50 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: looks fine so far |
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| 13:04.46 | quotemstr | If Nexenta is violating dpkg's license by distributing it linked to a proprietary libc while also distributing that libc, isn't Apple doing exactly the same thing by distributing GPLed emacs and gcc linked against their libc, which is under the APSL and incompatible with the GPL? |
| 13:05.26 | nsadmin | is dpkg LGPL? |
| 13:05.29 | quotemstr | No, GPL. |
| 13:05.33 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, http://paste.debian.net/62095/ |
| 13:05.40 | wols | quotemstr: do you have a debian related question? a TECHNICAL question? |
| 13:05.51 | quotemstr | wols: Good point. :-P |
| 13:05.51 | efaistos | I'm using awesome with urxvt but cant get the transparency working ... or to be precise I got it working but it takes the gdm wallpaper instead of the desktop one !? :( if somoebody has an idea ... |
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| 13:06.02 | soundvo | wols if you dont mind telling |
| 13:06.04 | soundvo | are you a server admin |
| 13:06.06 | soundvo | or what ? |
| 13:06.11 | soundvo | how do you know so much about linux |
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| 13:06.12 | wols | quotemstr: btw, system libraries are excempt. and we can say libc is a system lib |
| 13:06.14 | soundvo | im observing since 4 days |
| 13:06.19 | soundvo | that ur helping with every topic |
| 13:06.25 | soundvo | about every question u know how to resolve |
| 13:06.30 | soundvo | how u gained so much knowledge? |
| 13:06.35 | nsadmin | soundvo: I guess he put in the time |
| 13:06.51 | soundvo | well time everyone puts but this is very weird |
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| 13:07.01 | soundvo | ive seen him answring to all types of question |
| 13:07.01 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: just for the heck of it, what frame rates are you getting if you run 'glxgears' ? |
| 13:07.05 | jelly | and passed the Linux Passage of Hundred Tests of Fire |
| 13:07.05 | soundvo | i want to learn linux like him |
| 13:07.09 | soundvo | so i can become expert |
| 13:07.11 | soundvo | but i dont like reading |
| 13:07.15 | soundvo | i want something practical |
| 13:07.19 | OpenTokix | soundvo: Many questions repeats itself. |
| 13:07.21 | soundvo | like if someone give me command n i use n learn |
| 13:07.51 | jelly | wols: why couldn't we say libssl and libcrypto are system libs too? :-) |
| 13:07.57 | rvsjoen | first task, stop saying 'u' and 'n', write full sentences if you want to be taken seriously |
| 13:08.06 | soundvo | ok sorry rvsjoen |
| 13:08.16 | rvsjoen | no need to apologize, just a tip |
| 13:08.22 | soundvo | thing is that I want to learn linux and want to become expert like this guy wols |
| 13:08.25 | nsadmin | soundvo: so you said you "don't like reading", which is not going to prevent you from gaining experience, you'll have to read whether you like it or not if you wish to achieve high levels of expertise |
| 13:08.29 | soundvo | but I dont like reading |
| 13:08.37 | wols | jelly: beats me. maybe cause they're not needed for the system? except for openbsd of course. I think there is a cabal at GNU headquarters that decides. and I don't wanna go there |
| 13:08.38 | soundvo | I want some site where there are given a list of commands and its usage |
| 13:08.41 | nsadmin | that doesn't say anything |
| 13:08.42 | soundvo | and i type the commands in my box |
| 13:08.44 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, around 180fps at the default window size |
| 13:08.46 | soundvo | and see what it do for practical |
| 13:08.47 | soundvo | i hate theory |
| 13:09.00 | soundvo | nsadmin i see |
| 13:09.05 | wols | !tell soundvo about refcard |
| 13:09.18 | nsadmin | either you're going to do the necessary reading or you're not |
| 13:09.27 | nsadmin | and either is fine |
| 13:09.31 | jelly | wols: all the silliness with GPL exceptions for linking w/ openssl would go away if Debian said it was part of base OS |
| 13:09.45 | soundvo | wols how old r u? |
| 13:10.03 | soundvo | and in how many years u learnt all this that u know? |
| 13:10.05 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: exactly what makes you think that your card is underperforming ? |
| 13:11.06 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, for example there's this game called Chromium BSU. When my openGL works fine as it did in previous debian installs, the game runs fine. However now it doesn't |
| 13:12.06 | rvsjoen | on the same hardware |
| 13:12.17 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, yes |
| 13:12.31 | rvsjoen | it all seems a bit off, I can't see anything obviously wrong in your xorg log file either |
| 13:12.55 | rvsjoen | and as far as I know, the gma900 chip is quite old |
| 13:13.18 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, could it be that there's something wrong with the game? Do you know of any other GL-heavy apps in the repos? |
| 13:13.54 | rvsjoen | [drm] failed to load kernel module "i915" |
| 13:13.58 | rvsjoen | that one looks interesting |
| 13:15.02 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, what should I do about it? |
| 13:15.47 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: does 'lsmod | grep i915' give any hits ? |
| 13:16.09 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, no, nothing at all |
| 13:16.24 | rvsjoen | try 'modprobe i915' |
| 13:17.03 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, FATAL: Error inserting i915 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i915.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:17.16 | rvsjoen | do that then (dmesg) |
| 13:18.26 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, do you want a pastebin of my dmesg |
| 13:18.30 | bluekoala | ? |
| 13:18.33 | rvsjoen | sure |
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| 13:20.46 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, http://paste.debian.net/62097/ |
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| 13:25.28 | rvsjoen | give me a second |
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| 13:25.39 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, take your time |
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| 13:27.50 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: did you do anything at all except installing/upgrading to 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 13:29.13 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: also do 'grep -R "i915" /etc/modprobe.d' |
| 13:29.13 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, I tried to upgrade to 2.6.32-trunk-686 but my screen goes black and I can't login with that so I'm using 2.6.26 but 2.6.32 is also installed in my system |
| 13:29.40 | titan8990 | bluekoala: are you mixing debian releases? |
| 13:29.49 | bluekoala | titan8990, no |
| 13:30.29 | bluekoala | titan8990, I installed from a lenny CD and did what I think was a total dist upgrade but the stuff with the kernels remained |
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| 13:30.44 | rvsjoen | there was a regression in 2.6.30 involving i915, but I don't see how a module would be loaded with an unknown parameter unless there is multiple versions involved here |
| 13:31.12 | wols | http://paste.debian.net/62097/ |
| 13:31.22 | wols | wrong paste. http://paste.debian.net/62097/ |
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| 13:31.27 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf:options i915 modeset=1 |
| 13:31.40 | wols | fuck. basically, play around with modeset module option |
| 13:31.50 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: try removing 'modeset=1' |
| 13:32.18 | rvsjoen | just comment out the whole options line |
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| 13:33.04 | jelly | bluekoala: other squeeze stuff will have problems with that old a kernel too, use at least 2.6.30 |
| 13:33.19 | jelly | (well, udev wants at least 2.6.27) |
| 13:33.33 | jelly | judd: kernels |
| 13:33.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 13:33.44 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, removed the options line altogether |
| 13:33.56 | bluekoala | wols, jelly: thanks |
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| 13:34.26 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, now how do I put that into effect? |
| 13:34.36 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: yes, you should rather spend the time figuring out why its black in the never kernel |
| 13:34.43 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: try modprobing i915 again |
| 13:34.51 | rvsjoen | *newer |
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| 13:35.07 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, returns nothing |
| 13:35.11 | rvsjoen | thats good |
| 13:35.36 | rvsjoen | check dmesg to make sure there are no errors, and restart X |
| 13:35.48 | rvsjoen | then try glxgears |
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| 13:36.12 | groolot | hello |
| 13:36.28 | bluekoala | OK, I'll restart X and be back, thanks for the help |
| 13:36.38 | groolot | something strange with my update of PHP today in my squeeze |
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| 13:37.26 | nsadmin | that's not even a complete sentence... |
| 13:37.27 | groolot | extensions couldn't be mount in apache config, instead of the CLI version that work perfectly |
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| 13:37.58 | groolot | in /etc/php5/conf.d/ |
| 13:37.58 | jelly | nsadmin: Groo has no regard for your peasant grammar structure! |
| 13:38.12 | groolot | there are some files that are read by php at init time |
| 13:38.18 | titan8990 | squeeze breaks an application on upgrade? don't believe it... never happens |
| 13:38.40 | titan8990 | groolot: have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:38.45 | jelly | titan8990: sometimes it lowercases people's nicks, too |
| 13:38.48 | groolot | BTS ? what is it ? |
| 13:38.48 | nsadmin | my grammar isn't a peasant! |
| 13:39.00 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 13:39.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 13:39.02 | petemc | you resemble that remark |
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| 13:39.12 | jelly | !win petemc |
| 13:39.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, petemc! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:39.20 | titan8990 | jelly: yeah, its just evil |
| 13:39.41 | jelly | evıl. |
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| 13:40.24 | nsadmin | for just 50 low low payments of $75k |
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| 13:41.44 | mino | nsadmin: okay i changed now the uuid and the "set root" to the /boot device and it works like a charm. I think i found a bug.. in update-grub |
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| 13:42.25 | bluekoala | Hello again. rvsjoen, that solved my problem, and the stuff about 2.6.32 too! Thanks a lot |
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| 13:42.36 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: good |
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| 13:44.03 | groolot | well ... |
| 13:44.27 | bluekoala | rvsjoen, would you mind telling me what was wrong and what you had me do to fix it? |
| 13:45.19 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: your upgrade probably put that option in modprobe.d, and your 'old' kernel has no clue what that option means |
| 13:45.37 | rvsjoen | bluekoala: so it was unable to load the correct driver module for your graphics card |
| 13:45.50 | bluekoala | ah, I see, thanks again |
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| 13:49.54 | groolot | I've found a bug that correpsond to : |
| 13:50.14 | Number5 | I have xfce4 and want to install compiz, should "apt-get install compiz" be enough or is some hardcore configurations needed? |
| 13:50.28 | groolot | Apache can not look into a symlink dir configured by PHP |
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| 13:50.59 | rvsjoen | tell number5 about why aptitude |
| 13:51.23 | rvsjoen | does that actually work ? |
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| 13:53.19 | titan8990 | !tell Number5 about compiz |
| 13:53.37 | titan8990 | Number5: view the wiki page for compiz |
| 13:53.59 | titan8990 | rvsjoen: you left out the "!" |
| 13:54.13 | rvsjoen | indeed, wasn't sure if it was needed |
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| 13:56.28 | themill | rvsjoen: how would the bot know to do something? BTW you might like to look at the server flags: rvsjoen: they contain CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 which will answer your question regarding upper/lower case |
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| 13:57.20 | rvsjoen | my question ? |
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| 13:59.10 | rvsjoen | sorry, not following :) |
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| 14:00.11 | coren4 | hi all:P |
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| 14:00.18 | coren4 | i have a problem |
| 14:00.26 | titan8990 | !ask |
| 14:00.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 14:01.31 | ikarus | hrm, how can I use make-kpkg to build a x86-64 kernel while having x86 userland ? |
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| 14:02.49 | titan8990 | ikarus: --arch |
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| 14:07.51 | hikenboot | anyone know what package provides sendsigs.omit.d |
| 14:08.18 | hikenboot | I search nothing comes up |
| 14:09.56 | hikenboot | never mind figured it out thanks |
| 14:10.06 | Number5 | titan8990: rvsjoen : I ask that, because I assume compiz for KDE or GNOME will work. But last time when I used Fedora 10, I did some horrable configurations and tweaking to get compiz work. Because of NVIDIA driver etc... |
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| 14:11.07 | Number5 | With Debian I have the experience that everything works well when installing software using aptitude |
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| 14:12.04 | Number5 | But I'm just not sure with Compiz under xfce4 |
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| 14:12.51 | rvsjoen | I use compiz with xfce both on lenny and sid, works fine |
| 14:13.09 | titan8990 | Number5: did you read the wiki I linked you to? |
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| 14:14.40 | Number5 | titan8990: I'm reading it now, thnx |
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| 14:33.32 | pom_ | My colleague are getting alot of mail from one of our servers. They are sent to root@ourdomain.com and she has the catch-all. |
| 14:33.37 | pom_ | Where is this specified? |
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| 14:36.34 | petemc | pom_: /etc/aliases , or anywhere |
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| 14:36.44 | titan8990 | pom_: depends on the email server, sendmail for example is /etc/aliases |
| 14:37.07 | wols | pom_: usually the MTA decides where they go |
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| 14:42.11 | jelly | titan8990: I think Debian's release notes mandate /etc/aliases for MTAs? |
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| 14:45.02 | peef | anybody could help me configure pam-authentication. I see in the logfile an entry "error: Authentication failure from <user> from <hostname>". Instead of <hostname> I want to see the ip address. Can this be configured? |
| 14:45.39 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:45.52 | Agiofws | how do i setup my dvd drive properly in debian ? |
| 14:46.00 | Agiofws | hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 14:46.01 | Agiofws | hda: command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 } |
| 14:46.01 | Agiofws | hda: possibly failed opcode: 0xa0 |
| 14:46.02 | Agiofws | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 27652 |
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| 14:46.16 | Agiofws | sorry guys |
| 14:46.16 | abrotman | he's been coming around how long ... |
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| 14:46.29 | petemc | Agiofws: dont paste, and that means something broken, could be the cabel |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | Agiofws: usually that indicates a bad disc or bad drive .. sometimes a loose cable or bad DMA setting |
| 14:47.24 | simonrvn | abrotman: years |
| 14:47.24 | Agiofws | cabel ? |
| 14:47.32 | Agiofws | DMA ? |
| 14:47.34 | simonrvn | cable. typo i think |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | i said cable ... |
| 14:47.47 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 14:48.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: petemc typoed it |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | oh .. i totally missed the little irish dude .. |
| 14:48.12 | Agiofws | it works on vista ... its just that it does not work on this NEW dvd disk .. |
| 14:48.14 | titan8990 | jelly: not sure to be honest, my full MTA experience (not something like ssmtp) is on centos |
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| 14:49.29 | petemc | abrotman: little! im a strapping 6'2" ! |
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| 14:49.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:49.53 | themill | petemc: six-pack with an Irish accent? |
| 14:49.59 | petemc | you know it |
| 14:50.38 | Agiofws | Setting up mplayer-nogui (1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1) ... |
| 14:50.44 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$whereis mplayer-nogui |
| 14:50.45 | Agiofws | mplayer-nogui: |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | petemc: i was kidding ... |
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| 14:50.54 | petemc | me too! |
| 14:50.58 | abrotman | Agiofws: dpkg -L mplayer-nogui |
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| 14:51.21 | Agiofws | /usr/bin/mplayer |
| 14:51.28 | Agiofws | well that didn;t help |
| 14:51.34 | titan8990 | Agiofws: commands are not always named exactly as the package name |
| 14:51.41 | Agiofws | abrotman, thank you though |
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| 14:51.44 | Agiofws | ok ok |
| 14:51.51 | Agiofws | i found the binary ... |
| 14:52.02 | titan8990 | Agiofws: and... what were you looking for? |
| 14:52.07 | Agiofws | the thing is that it did not solve my dvd problem |
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| 14:52.27 | titan8990 | < abrotman> Agiofws: usually that indicates a bad disc or bad drive .. sometimes a loose cable or bad DMA setting |
| 14:52.35 | titan8990 | Agiofws: how was mplayer going to help? |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 14:52.54 | Agiofws | mplayer helps the user see the dvd :) |
| 14:53.14 | Agiofws | i'm trying to play a dvd while others do this one does not .. |
| 14:53.19 | Agiofws | and it does play in vista |
| 14:53.59 | indego | I have just downloaded the Squeeze install DVD and am installing onto a system with a RAID50 of 8 1TB disks. I have ~6TB of space. When trying to use about 5TB for LVM partman limits the partition to 4TB. Is this 'normal'? |
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| 14:54.25 | Agiofws | [mpeg2video @ 0x878b090]ac-tex damaged at 19 27 |
| 14:54.25 | Agiofws | [mpeg2video @ 0x878b090]skipped MB in I frame at 30 28 |
| 14:54.44 | indego | I have been trying to read about LVM2, GPT and parted limitations but nothing seems to say 'I am the problem'. |
| 14:54.57 | jelly | indego: you might have to manually partition your block device and use GPT style partition table |
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| 14:55.15 | jelly | or are you already using it? |
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| 14:55.47 | wols | indego: MBR type partition tables have a limit of 2TB per partition. look into GPT |
| 14:56.32 | indego | jelly, the Debian installer seems to be using GPT. |
| 14:56.53 | jelly | then it's doing at least some parts of it right |
| 14:58.48 | jelly | since you're using testing installer, I bet Debian would love your bug report |
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| 14:59.08 | valdyn | indego: lvm has extent sizes |
| 14:59.27 | valdyn | indego: the maxiumum "partition" sizes is limited by that configurable extent size |
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| 15:01.16 | jelly | one can easily work around the issue by creating a couple of partitions and use each one as a pv |
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| 15:03.13 | indego | jelly, I tried that, the installer would not allow another LVM partition type, in fact, no other partition. |
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| 15:03.39 | valdyn | indego: you can grow and shrink and modify lvm stuff in any way later |
| 15:03.42 | jelly | indego: I mean, you can do that outside of the installer |
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| 15:04.32 | indego | Humm, I will need to see if this is the same with stable... |
| 15:05.03 | jelly | indego: #debian-boot on irc.debian.org might help you with testing installer snapshots |
| 15:05.04 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# umount -f /dev/hda |
| 15:05.04 | Agiofws | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 15:05.05 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.09 | Agiofws | do i have to reboot ? |
| 15:05.22 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# lsof | grep /dev/hda |
| 15:05.22 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
| 15:05.22 | indego | jelly, valdyn, OK I will try to get some more information and see what the console tells me (SSH install). I will then test with the stable install DVD. |
| 15:05.22 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.33 | jelly | Agiofws: Linux doesn't handle bad cd/dvd media very well. |
| 15:05.54 | wols | Agiofws: use the mountpoint, not the devicefile |
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| 15:06.17 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# umount -f /media/cdrom0 |
| 15:06.18 | jelly | Agiofws: but do check for any processes still sitting on the mountpoint, first |
| 15:06.18 | Agiofws | umount2: Device or resource busy |
| 15:06.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.21 | Agiofws | whats umount2 ? |
| 15:06.27 | jelly | a system call |
| 15:07.19 | jelly | Agiofws: the command it saying "I tried to call umount2() with some parameters and it failed with this error: Device or resource busy" |
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| 15:07.49 | Agiofws | ok done |
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| 15:12.41 | tyr84 | hi, i'm trying to install my SB X-Fi Surround 5.1 USB on squeeze. i compiled 2.6.31 with realtime support and i could modprobe snd_ctxfi. alsamixer can see the soundcard, but it says "This sound device does not have any controls" |
| 15:16.32 | alive1 | Does anyone have 5 minutes they can spend trying to replicate a bug i think i found? |
| 15:16.58 | alive1 | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/qU0wdAvn <- trying to bridge a bonded network |
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| 15:17.16 | alive1 | when I load that config, my system is trashed |
| 15:17.54 | wols | alive1: uname -r |
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| 15:19.03 | alive1 | 2.6.31-14-server (this is ubuntu btw... i know it's not the same thing, but yea...) |
| 15:19.06 | plus_M | I just installed squeeze and I can't seem to get "desktop effects" (e.g. compositing) to work in KDE. If I run xcompmgr I get transparency and everything just fine, but when I try to enable it in system settings I get "Failed to activate desktop effects using the given configuration options", even with "Disable functionality checks" enabled |
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| 15:19.51 | wols | alive1: then please go to #ubuntu. thank you |
| 15:19.52 | plus_M | I've gotten this to work just fine on this very system with radeonhd drivers (which is also what I am using now) in the past on FreeBSD 8.0-stable |
| 15:19.54 | E-bola | I have a weird minor issue with mail on my debian box |
| 15:19.58 | E-bola | if i type: mail root |
| 15:20.11 | E-bola | and send root a mail its sent to root@smtp-1 which was an old hostname, not in use anymore |
| 15:20.24 | alive1 | wols: OK, I'll get back here if i can replicate it myself |
| 15:20.25 | E-bola | so if root gets a mail now its not delivered because the old hostname is not in use anymore |
| 15:20.38 | E-bola | and i cant figure out where debian is getting the smtp-1 value from... |
| 15:20.40 | alive1 | on debian5 that is |
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| 15:20.54 | wols | E-bola: tried grep across the filesystem? |
| 15:21.10 | E-bola | wols: i tried inside /etc, the entire filesystem will take a LONG time |
| 15:21.35 | E-bola | i guess i could try in all other paths than my big mail store one |
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| 15:22.02 | RayzrShrp | morning everyone |
| 15:22.09 | E-bola | but it should be possible to somehow know where its getting it from... |
| 15:22.18 | unixSnob | am I pretty much screwed if a driver needs a more recent version of glibc? |
| 15:22.29 | unixSnob | I really don't want to do a dist-upgrade |
| 15:22.32 | wols | unixSnob: which driver? |
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| 15:22.49 | unixSnob | wols: for the iguana IR device |
| 15:23.07 | wols | E-bola: check what the mailserver receives. that way you see if the mailserver or mail adds the hostname |
| 15:23.09 | unixSnob | wols: http://iguanaworks.net <= that one.. the usb one |
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| 15:23.55 | wols | you could use a static libc and link the program statically |
| 15:24.01 | unixSnob | i get the impression the iguanaworks folks are a small operation, and probably don't maintain old drivers |
| 15:24.11 | nkuttler | E-bola: /root/.forward ? |
| 15:24.14 | unixSnob | wols: thanks for the tip |
| 15:24.27 | E-bola | wols: in what way do you mean? I got the exim logs: 2010-03-02 16:15:01 1NmToL-0007DP-Hp <= root@smtp-1 U=root P=local S=339 |
| 15:24.42 | romgo | Hi, I'm looking for some help in order to create a custom debian install CD |
| 15:24.46 | E-bola | nkuttler: no such file exists |
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| 15:25.32 | titan8990 | romgo: not much to customize on a netinst |
| 15:25.34 | PinkFreud | E-bola: cat /etc/mailname |
| 15:26.16 | E-bola | hmmm wtf |
| 15:26.18 | romgo | titan8990: I would like to modify the netinst in order to use my own kernel (which is a .deb file) |
| 15:26.35 | wols | romgo: anything special in your kernel? |
| 15:26.36 | E-bola | it was in /etc/mailname. But my grep line in /etc hadnt shown it odd |
| 15:26.40 | E-bola | PinkFreud: thanks :) |
| 15:26.50 | romgo | wols: nop just home made :) |
| 15:26.58 | PinkFreud | np :) |
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| 15:27.08 | romgo | I've been looking to simple-cdd and linux-helper |
| 15:27.10 | wols | then there is no point. but: /msg dpkg custom cd |
| 15:27.35 | romgo | custom cd ? |
| 15:27.52 | titan8990 | romgo: you left out the /msg dpkg part |
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| 15:31.09 | romgo | oh yes I saw this pages and I try with simple-cdd but I don't know how to specify with simple-cdd my custom kernel |
| 15:32.18 | wols | where do these pages mention simple-cdd? |
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| 15:33.19 | romgo | easier alternative http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 15:34.51 | wols | how about reading the link which actually applies to your problem? the customkernel one? |
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| 15:37.27 | N3tw0rK | anyone from qwest/lvl 3? |
| 15:37.48 | wols | ask a real question |
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| 15:38.41 | romgo | wols: I read it. But I think (I'm not sure) that it will just made my netinst boot on my kernel and not install on the new OS ? |
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| 15:46.28 | unixSnob | wols: do you think a driver should refuse to install if the required glibc version is not present? i managed to install it doing an aptitude install |
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| 15:48.44 | unixSnob | anyone feel free to answer that... i shouldn't have directed that to wols |
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| 15:49.11 | jhutchins_lt | unixSnob: What release? What driver? |
| 15:49.33 | valdyn | unixSnob: which driver could actually require a certain glibc version? |
| 15:50.05 | greedo | I'm trying to bond to interfaces together with ifenslave and I get an error saying: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/modules.dep |
| 15:50.06 | unixSnob | jhutchins_lt: my release is etch w/ some backports hacks.. but the question is general.. I'm just wondering if the deb file is defective |
| 15:50.32 | jhutchins_lt | It's possible for a packager to miss a dependency. |
| 15:50.33 | unixSnob | valdyn: this is a somewhat obscure driver for an IR sensor |
| 15:50.48 | valdyn | unixSnob: thats not very specific |
| 15:51.02 | unixSnob | jhutchins_lt: really? so even if a deb file is proper, and names the dependancies, it can be overlooked? |
| 15:51.05 | greedo | two* |
| 15:51.07 | valdyn | unixSnob: is it in debian? |
| 15:51.12 | valdyn | unixSnob: what is it ? |
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| 15:51.24 | unixSnob | valdyn: it's the usb device at iguanaworks.net |
| 15:51.32 | valdyn | unixSnob: so its not in debian? |
| 15:51.47 | unixSnob | valdyn: no, i had to add some lines to the sources.list |
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| 15:52.05 | titan8990 | unixSnob: often it is only the pre-compiled binaries that will require glibc version X. This can be solved by recompiling the source using a different glibc version |
| 15:52.07 | valdyn | unixSnob: 3rd party packages hardly ever match debian quality |
| 15:52.28 | valdyn | unixSnob: it probably has incomplete deps, but thats hardly an exception |
| 15:52.51 | unixSnob | titan8990: yeah, that was the advice wols gave. I'm only asking whether this is worthy of a bug report |
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| 15:53.13 | valdyn | unixSnob: however if its not intended for the etch release then the package could be ok, while youre not following the documentation |
| 15:53.15 | jhutchins_lt | Third party stuff is often not built using a current build environment either. |
| 15:53.23 | valdyn | unixSnob: essential packages dont need to be listed in the deps |
| 15:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Isn't that the point of dependencies? |
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| 15:54.39 | unixSnob | valdyn: the docs don't discriminate on versions.. they simply say to install the stuff -- and probably rightly so, as I would expect the package manager to stop if there's an unmet need |
| 15:54.40 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: what? |
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| 15:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: If a package depends on a specific package/version/file it's listed as a dependency? |
| 15:55.11 | greycat | unixSnob: if the third party packager didn't adequately enumerate the dependencies, then the package manager won't know about them |
| 15:55.22 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 15:55.33 | unixSnob | greycat: right, I suspect it's a defect in the deb file |
| 15:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Then what's the point of them? |
| 15:55.40 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: a package is made for a release, with all depends beyond essential packages listed |
| 15:55.55 | unixSnob | greycat: so what I'm trying to get at is whether this is bug should be reported to the deb authors |
| 15:56.02 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: im not going to discuss the motivations, im just saying how it is |
| 15:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Shouldn't it test for that release in that case? Possibly by checking glibc? |
| 15:56.17 | greycat | unixSnob: you mean the iguanaworks.net people? Sure. |
| 15:56.20 | rvsjoen | unixsnob: it doesn't hurt, the worst they can do is ignore you |
| 15:56.36 | unixSnob | greycat: k.. thanks for the advice. I'll write it up |
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| 15:57.11 | abrotman | greedo: you realize your kernel is very very out of date? |
| 15:57.20 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: only if it matters. lots of older-release packages run on newer releases. |
| 15:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | unixSnob: Out of curiosity, what version of glibc did it require vs. what you have? |
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| 15:57.50 | greycat | I've had a few packages continue to work two Debian releases later |
| 15:58.04 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: it incidentally just works usually only because the essential packages dont change significantly often |
| 15:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: It's possible for packages to require "at least version blah", and to work fine as the dependencies are upgraded. |
| 15:58.37 | greedo | abrotman: i got it directly from debian.org |
| 15:58.43 | unixSnob | jhutchins_lt: i have "2.12.4-2+etch1", and apparently need GLIBC_2.7 or GLIBC_2.4 |
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| 15:59.38 | abrotman | greedo: i think you're missing the metapackage |
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| 15:59.50 | abrotman | greedo: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 16:00.08 | f83 | Hi. There is no sound in debian newinstall. Help, please. What that may be? |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | f83: make sure alsa-utils and linux-sound-base are installed .. |
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| 16:00.51 | titan8990 | f83: and your user is in the audio group |
| 16:00.57 | greycat | You may also need to unmute your channels in the ALSA controller thingie |
| 16:01.03 | unixSnob | jhutchins_lt: the driver actually looks for both 2.4 and 2.7 when it launches.. I'm not sure if that means it needs both, or if it's flexible enough to support one or the other |
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| 16:01.23 | f83 | abrotman, installed |
| 16:01.34 | Kobaz | how would i make kjournald stop writing to disk so frequently |
| 16:01.34 | f83 | titan8990: added |
| 16:01.43 | jhutchins_lt | unixSnob: Which do you have installed? |
| 16:01.45 | titan8990 | unixSnob: IMO, you really should just compile the source |
| 16:01.58 | titan8990 | f83: you have to relog for that to take effect |
| 16:02.03 | f83 | greycat, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 16:02.06 | greycat | unixSnob: 2.12.* isn't etch's libc6 |
| 16:02.17 | greycat | unixSnob: that sounds like a GTK+ version or something |
| 16:02.20 | titan8990 | f83: is this lenny? have you tried `alsaconf`? |
| 16:02.20 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: Manufacturers often don't supply the source, only pre-compiled stuff. Case in point: 3M touch screens. |
| 16:02.26 | unixSnob | jhutchins_lt: it seems I have version 2.12.4-2+etch1 installed |
| 16:02.34 | greedo | abrotman: ok, did that but still no success |
| 16:02.51 | titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: yeah, that is unfortunate |
| 16:02.52 | unixSnob | hmm.. how do I check? |
| 16:02.56 | greycat | unixSnob: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:03.19 | themill | unixSnob: 2.12.4-2+etch1 is libglib, not libc6 |
| 16:03.19 | f83 | titan8990: I've rebooted many times. Alsaconf found a lot of tv-tuner devices, but no one audio. |
| 16:03.21 | greedo | abrotman: when i do modprobe bonding, I get that same error |
| 16:03.37 | titan8990 | f83: what kind of card? |
| 16:03.38 | f83 | debian 5.0.4 |
| 16:03.39 | greedo | abrotman: sounds like a module fail |
| 16:03.41 | unixSnob | greycat: ah, then I have 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10 |
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| 16:03.51 | Gijs | Hey all |
| 16:03.57 | greycat | unixSnob: perhaps you should consider upgrading to current stable |
| 16:04.09 | Gijs | i try to use a cmd to get the cpu and ram from a process |
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| 16:04.13 | greycat | lenny has GLIBC 2.7 |
| 16:04.14 | Gijs | but it don't works on all processes |
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| 16:04.20 | Gijs | i will show |
| 16:04.21 | f83 | titan8990: hda on-board card |
| 16:04.30 | titan8990 | f83: intel? |
| 16:04.30 | Gijs | ps aux | grep /home/here/any/process | egrep -e [0-9]+[.][0-9] -o |
| 16:04.40 | Gijs | that will output 4 rows with info |
| 16:04.40 | f83 | titan8990: yes |
| 16:04.51 | Gijs | and sometimes it is 0.0 and the other is the ram |
| 16:04.59 | titan8990 | f83: should be really standard with the snd_hda_intel module |
| 16:05.06 | Gijs | the cpu and ram are switching over the 4 rows |
| 16:05.07 | titan8990 | !tell f83 about alsa |
| 16:05.11 | Gijs | so can anybody help me? |
| 16:05.29 | titan8990 | !tell f83 about alsa-checklist |
| 16:05.35 | unixSnob | greycat: i'm scared of dist-upgrades.. I've seen the dist-upgrade command completely destroy things.. I'm not on what I would consider a toy; I have lots of meticulous man-weeks invested into getting all my obscure hardware working |
| 16:05.41 | titan8990 | f83: go through the checklist and double-check everything |
| 16:05.47 | greycat | Gijs: instead of grepping regular expressions and praying, you should use "ps -o" to explicitly print out the fields you want |
| 16:06.06 | titan8990 | unixSnob: which means you have good system backups, right? |
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| 16:06.17 | unixSnob | titan8990: I keep putting that off |
| 16:06.23 | themill | Gijs: writing your question out in one line rather than hitting enter after every three or four words would also make it much easier for people to help you. |
| 16:06.43 | Gijs | ERROR: Format specification must follow -o. |
| 16:06.45 | greycat | unixSnob: in that case, your best bet is to take the driver source, make sure it'll work with glibc 2.3, and then rebuild it |
| 16:06.48 | greycat | Gijs: man ps |
| 16:06.49 | unixSnob | backups are good at the moment... but I don't have automated backups |
| 16:07.13 | unixSnob | greycat: I'll probably try that |
| 16:07.20 | Gijs | yes but i need to know it from 1 single process |
| 16:07.36 | titan8990 | Gijs: and you need to do it without reading any documentation? |
| 16:07.40 | charzero | If I want to have an xfs formatted device as /var but xfs is in a module, is it sufficient to have / (and /lib) mounted before /var (fs_passno=2 for /var) or do I have to set something else up? |
| 16:07.42 | unixSnob | greycat: wols also suggested statically linking to the newer glibc.. so that's another option |
| 16:07.46 | lucid | titan8990- of course, silly |
| 16:07.51 | themill | Gijs: using tools like "pgrep" is going to be much better than grepping the output of ps. |
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| 16:08.16 | Kobaz | r is evil |
| 16:08.17 | Kobaz | er |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | Gijs: there are two steps involved, really. Getting the PID, and then getting the information about that PID. |
| 16:08.30 | titan8990 | charzero: storage controller drivers are modules... thats what the initrd is for |
| 16:08.38 | Gijs | hmm |
| 16:08.47 | Gijs | i am not that good in debian/linux |
| 16:09.00 | charzero | titan8990: I do not have the ability to change the initrd. (Xen guest) |
| 16:09.00 | greycat | well, reading "man ps" will help you improve |
| 16:09.17 | Gijs | :| |
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| 16:11.52 | greycat | charzero: it ought to work out of the box, as far as I know |
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| 16:12.01 | Gijs | i need to read that whole documentation? |
| 16:12.06 | greycat | charzero: file system driver modules should be loaded before the non-root file systems are mounted |
| 16:12.33 | titan8990 | Gijs: it wouldn't hurt, but you can start with the section covering greycat's suggestion (the -o option) |
| 16:12.51 | Gijs | o session session ID |
| 16:12.52 | \amethyst | well, another factor is whether any of the early init scripts (before mountall) use /var; and they should not in Debian |
| 16:13.02 | Gijs | right? |
| 16:13.04 | greycat | I meant in Debian specifically. |
| 16:13.15 | Gijs | ahha |
| 16:13.16 | Gijs | hmm |
| 16:13.48 | \amethyst | Gijs: that is not CPU and RAM usage |
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| 16:14.10 | Gijs | i see |
| 16:14.23 | Gijs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.26 | Gijs | i got that list |
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| 16:14.32 | Gijs | but there is no such thing as ram |
| 16:14.53 | greycat | Memory use in Unix/Linux is extraordinarily complicated. |
| 16:14.57 | \amethyst | Gijs: it's called 'RSS' (resident set size) |
| 16:15.08 | greycat | RSS is the part of the process that's currently swapped in. |
| 16:15.26 | Gijs | that is not there also |
| 16:15.34 | Gijs | oh btw |
| 16:15.43 | Gijs | can i see also the real RAM usage in mb of a process? |
| 16:15.45 | greycat | rss and RSS both appear in my man page |
| 16:15.49 | \amethyst | your ps manpage doesn't mention RSS ? |
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| 16:16.06 | \amethyst | what does dpkg -l procps say about the version? |
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| 16:16.43 | abrotman | greedo: uname -a |
| 16:17.03 | Gijs | ii procps 1:3.2.7-11 /proc file system utilities |
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| 16:17.50 | greycat | that's the correct version for lenny. rss is in that man page. |
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| 16:18.55 | greedo | abrotman: Linux backup 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Apr 9 11:23:01 PDT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:20.06 | Gijs | ahha |
| 16:20.08 | Gijs | i got something |
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| 16:20.17 | Gijs | ps -eo pcpu,size |
| 16:20.26 | Gijs | but then i need to get that from 1 process |
| 16:20.39 | greycat | you need to get the PID first. then use "ps -eo pcpu,whatever -p $mypid" |
| 16:20.59 | Gijs | ohh oke and i cannot get it directly from the name? |
| 16:21.06 | Gijs | so example: /home/something/process |
| 16:21.08 | Gijs | ? |
| 16:21.14 | greycat | Gijs: use pgrep to get the PID for a name |
| 16:21.25 | greycat | (man pgrep) |
| 16:21.30 | Gijs | :P |
| 16:24.54 | chops1 | So I'm setting up a chrooted ssh server... I have "$CHROOT start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/sshd-822.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd-822 -- $SSHD_OPTS", but when I start the server what gets created is $CHROOT/var/run/sshd.pid. Any ideas? |
| 16:25.04 | greycat | so, all together, something like: mypid=$(pgrep whatever); ps -eo pcpu,rss -p $mypid |
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| 16:25.32 | greycat | actually, without the 'e' |
| 16:25.40 | greycat | mypid=$(pgrep whatever); ps -o pcpu,rss -p $mypid |
| 16:27.03 | Gijs | is there a way to put all the stuff in 1 command? |
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| 16:27.10 | Gijs | so i don't have to execute 2 cmds? |
| 16:27.26 | greycat | it's going to execute two commands anyway, even if you combine them |
| 16:27.35 | greycat | what are you really asking? |
| 16:27.59 | Gijs | i need to put this in a php ssh2_exec |
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| 16:28.18 | greycat | so why can't you exec the thing I just typed? |
| 16:28.20 | Gijs | so it is better if it is directly in 1 command so i don't have to get the pid first then with that pid i need to get the ram and cpu |
| 16:28.38 | chops1 | Oh, sshd creates its own pid file... okay, so I just need one file in the chroot and one outside, but they'll both be named the same |
| 16:28.40 | chops1 | That seems fine |
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| 16:29.54 | Benjamin__ | Hello. Is there a simple way to grab all IP addresses from this page (http://proxy.org/tor.shtml) and list each IP address on it's own line? |
| 16:29.58 | Benjamin__ | I'm blocking tor. |
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| 16:30.37 | stockholm | Benjamin__: why that? |
| 16:30.40 | greycat | oh goody, another domain that's blacklisted by work... |
| 16:30.43 | stockholm | Benjamin__: are you evil? |
| 16:30.45 | Benjamin__ | stockholm: List of exit nodes |
| 16:30.46 | Benjamin__ | no |
| 16:31.54 | Gijs | uhhhm greycat if i use this cmd: ps -o pcpu,size -p 22626 |
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| 16:31.56 | nkuttler | Benjamin__: well, that looks trivial. wget grep awk or get an html parser |
| 16:32.01 | Gijs | then i get this as output: %CPU SZ |
| 16:32.03 | Gijs | :| |
| 16:32.15 | Benjamin__ | nkuttler: can u be more specific on the command? |
| 16:32.24 | greycat | http://proxy.org/tor_blacklist.txt might be easier to parse than that HTML page |
| 16:32.31 | greycat | At least it's *text* |
| 16:33.13 | greycat | Gijs: there is a ps option to suppress the headers. |
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| 16:33.47 | Gijs | but it ONLY puts that out |
| 16:33.55 | greycat | Gijs: then you have the wrong PID |
| 16:34.00 | r0n1n | is debian-update-5.0.4-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 16:34.08 | r0n1n | a bootable iso image |
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| 16:34.35 | nkuttler | Benjamin__: which scripting language do you know? |
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| 16:35.18 | r0n1n | because in the manual says to either download iso1 ot update iso1 |
| 16:35.18 | Benjamin__ | nkuttler: bash? |
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| 16:35.35 | greycat | Benjamin__: I'd definitely start with the text version rather than the HTML version |
| 16:35.43 | nkuttler | good point |
| 16:35.51 | Benjamin__ | wget and grep it? |
| 16:35.58 | greycat | yanking the IP addresses out of http://proxy.org/tor_blacklist.txt can be done in one sed command |
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| 16:36.58 | greycat | it's a strange way for them to present data, though. wrapped in obscure apache syntax. |
| 16:37.11 | Benjamin__ | greycat: whats the command? ;p |
| 16:37.17 | greycat | must have been a frequent request they received |
| 16:37.54 | greycat | sed -e 's/^.*^//' -e 's/\$.*$//' and maybe some more stuff to handle the first/last lines |
| 16:38.55 | greycat | also you'd probably want -e 's/\\//g' |
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| 16:39.06 | gothenburg | hn |
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| 16:41.39 | llutz | greycat: why not parsing that shtmlfile, using "elinks -dump http://proxy.org/tor.shtml|awk '/^[0-9]/ {print $2 }'" |
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| 16:42.28 | greycat | It would be nice if they just had a text file/stream of the IPs without any of the apache gibberish markup... oh well. |
| 16:43.00 | r0n1n | cam anyone answer my simple question whether debian-update-5.0.4-i386-DVD-1.iso is a bootable iso image, because i can not boot from it. SHA1 hash and MD5 hash all match, but I can not boot from dvd, i cannot boot from the iso in VirtualBox, i can not boot from dvd in VirtualBox, and with the same configurations on bios and VB i can boot other dvd's |
| 16:44.39 | gothenburg | why are you using it instead of netinstaller? |
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| 16:45.22 | r0n1n | gothenburg: because i thouth it is a bootable iso image, i downloaded it from bittorent |
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| 16:45.57 | gothenburg | ok |
| 16:46.07 | gothenburg | the netinstaller is more <3 |
| 16:46.40 | r0n1n | gothenburg: but with netinstaller you dont get all the packeges or? |
| 16:46.51 | r0n1n | gothenburg: so is it bootable or not |
| 16:47.23 | greycat | The net install images have a minimal set of packages to get your basic system installed and networked, and then you download what you actually want on top of that. |
| 16:48.40 | greycat | Was the torrent tracker from which you got this ISO image an official debian one, or some random one? |
| 16:48.41 | OpenTokix | Also, the netinst-image sport a wider range of network-hardware support afaik |
| 16:48.42 | r0n1n | greycat: thanks, but then I have to always have a internet connection, and with all dvd/cds i have all packagtes offline |
| 16:49.14 | r0n1n | greycat: should have been official i downloaded the torrent from the main website |
| 16:49.18 | petemc | r0n1n: if you look at the contents of the dvd, does it have an isolinux dir ? |
| 16:49.28 | r0n1n | and SHA1 and MD5 match |
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| 16:49.53 | r0n1n | petemc: let me see did not thout of that, just a sec |
| 16:50.50 | \amethyst | r0n1n: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
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| 16:51.51 | f3n1x | hello, How to run a program async. via console in DEBIAN? |
| 16:52.11 | greycat | f3n1x: best way is to run it in screen, and then detach. |
| 16:52.14 | r0n1n | petemc: i think that explains everything |
| 16:52.37 | r0n1n | petemc: no isolinux whatsoeve just two dirs |
| 16:52.42 | petemc | ah |
| 16:52.56 | r0n1n | petemc: dists and pool |
| 16:53.13 | petemc | you can still use it to install packages from, its not wasted |
| 16:53.32 | r0n1n | \amethyst: exactly that i have read and it says either the update iso1 or the iso1 |
| 16:53.33 | abrotman | greedbleh |
| 16:53.36 | \amethyst | r0n1n: the update CDs are intended for someone who already has the original 5.0 install CD |
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| 16:53.53 | \amethyst | r0n1n: you need either 5.0.4 CD1 or 5.0.0 CD1 + 5.0.4 update |
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| 16:54.46 | r0n1n | \amethyst: it says "You only need to download either the update CD or the normal CDs, not both!" |
| 16:54.58 | greycat | The language they used there is a bit confusing. |
| 16:55.03 | f3n1x | greycat: I connect to server via SSH, I run a program, but if I close console, the program is killed, I need run a program async. via console |
| 16:55.09 | r0n1n | \amethyst: and that the update containts the newer packages too |
| 16:55.14 | \amethyst | r0n1n: yes, if you have the 5.0.4 CDs you do not need the 5.0.4 update CDs... I do see the confusion |
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| 16:55.23 | greycat | f3n1x: if you can't use screen, then use: nohup myprogram & |
| 16:55.33 | wols | or detach |
| 16:55.39 | r0n1n | \amethyst: i still can not get it ... |
| 16:55.57 | greycat | f3n1x: but using screen allows you to reattach later if necessary |
| 16:55.58 | \amethyst | r0n1n: you cannot install using only the updates |
| 16:56.18 | \amethyst | r0n1n: they are for people who already have an older 5.0 install CD |
| 16:56.29 | r0n1n | \amethyst: but why then it is written eihter, not both if i need either how should i install |
| 16:56.41 | r0n1n | \amethyst: like i was confused, it is fact |
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| 16:57.11 | wols | r0n1n: cause it means "for updating". it does not mean "for installing" |
| 16:57.17 | r0n1n | \amethyst: if they alrady have in istall dvd aka iso1 of course they do not need both |
| 16:57.18 | greycat | r0n1n: what they meant is "Don't download both 5.0.4 and 5.0.4-update". |
| 16:57.23 | \amethyst | r0n1n: there are numerous point releases for 5.0 |
| 16:57.38 | \amethyst | r0n1n: so some people might have the 5.0.0 install CDs |
| 16:57.51 | \amethyst | r0n1n: the update CD is so that those people don't need to download the entire 5.0.4 install |
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| 16:57.59 | r0n1n | greycat: yes that is why i downloaded only the update, but nowhere says it is not bootable |
| 16:58.16 | greycat | I agree that the description could use some work. |
| 16:58.25 | r0n1n | \amethyst: there is not 5.04 install dvd as far i can see |
| 16:58.33 | wols | r0n1n: "Update CDs are CDs which contain all the packages that changed between the rev0 and a later revN release of the current stable distribution" it says right there |
| 16:58.45 | wols | r0n1n: the CD1 you can download is a 5.0.4 one |
| 16:58.47 | \amethyst | r0n1n: it's right there in the same directory |
| 16:58.50 | \amethyst | r0n1n: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 16:58.52 | r0n1n | wols: i read this 10times and understand it |
| 16:58.58 | wols | r0n1n: no you did not |
| 16:59.06 | r0n1n | wols: and i want the dvd with all newest pakcges |
| 16:59.06 | \amethyst | r0n1n: debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso is the installer |
| 16:59.07 | f3n1x | greycat: thank you, program is running ;) |
| 16:59.09 | r0n1n | wols: bootable |
| 16:59.23 | r0n1n | \amethyst: ok it is the installer |
| 16:59.25 | wols | r0n1n: you've been told a dozen times by now what to get |
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| 16:59.34 | \amethyst | r0n1n: so get debian-504-i386-DVD-1.iso and -2, -3, -4, -5 as well |
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| 16:59.57 | greycat | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 16:59.58 | r0n1n | wols: i just want to say that the documentation is confusing at this state |
| 17:00.13 | greycat | They could certainly use a README in that directory. |
| 17:00.26 | \amethyst | perhaps someone could file a bug against www.debian.org ? |
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| 17:01.16 | r0n1n | i mean it says exactly what it says and i got confused althouht i have good idea of linux |
| 17:01.56 | greycat | wonders what the strange favicon on that page is |
| 17:02.13 | r0n1n | so i presume i can use the netinstaller and use the sources from the dvd? |
| 17:02.27 | wols | no. you use the DVD |
| 17:02.41 | wols | cause the netinstaller doesn't have anything you want if you have the DVD |
| 17:02.57 | \amethyst | greycat: Umeå University Academic Computer Club |
| 17:03.04 | \amethyst | greycat: http://www.acc.umu.se/ |
| 17:03.06 | wols | r0n1n: www.debian.org, click on "getting debian". Nice,easy documentation and links there |
| 17:03.07 | r0n1n | wols: the update dvd iso1 is not bootabel |
| 17:03.27 | greycat | r0n1n: GET THE ONE THAT DOESN'T SAY -update IN THE NAME |
| 17:03.32 | greycat | For god's sake! |
| 17:03.42 | greycat | How many times need we say it? |
| 17:03.42 | wols | r0n1n: are you that dense or are you faking it? |
| 17:04.01 | \amethyst | r0n1n: the update CD has *only* the packages that have changed between 5.0.0 and 5.0.4. Nothing else |
| 17:04.19 | \amethyst | r0n1n: even if it were bootable, those packages would not be enough to do an install |
| 17:04.22 | r0n1n | wols:ok i do not want to argue, and thanks for the offence |
| 17:04.57 | topi` | any git gurus here? is it possible to search for a blob sha1 to find out if/where it is included (from all those millions of commits)? |
| 17:05.21 | r0n1n | \amethyst: ok |
| 17:05.43 | \amethyst | trumpen: #git would be likely to know better than we would |
| 17:05.50 | \amethyst | err |
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| 17:05.55 | \amethyst | topi`: #git would be likely to know better than we would |
| 17:06.00 | \amethyst | trumpen: sorry, mistab |
| 17:06.19 | topi` | good idea |
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| 17:14.55 | alson | Hi |
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| 17:16.21 | Gijs | is it possible to get the bandwith of a process? |
| 17:16.42 | greycat | not easily, that's for sure. |
| 17:17.30 | greycat | maybe someone in #netfilter might know of a way |
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| 17:17.52 | greycat | it might involve setting up fancy iptables stuff in advance |
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| 17:19.20 | \amethyst | Gijs: 'nethogs' can do it (it's like top for network bandwidth) |
| 17:19.31 | \amethyst | requires root though |
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| 17:20.20 | Gijs | and it runs always? |
| 17:20.59 | greycat | you already read its documentation and you still had a question? |
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| 17:21.36 | \amethyst | 'runs always'? |
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| 17:22.43 | Gijs | yes cause if i see that, it only runs when you open it |
| 17:22.54 | greycat | "open"? |
| 17:22.57 | tingi | can anyone tell me where to find the cvs tree for debian package netkit ? |
| 17:23.01 | tingi | netkit-base |
| 17:23.12 | klync_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.17 | klync_ | err ... |
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| 17:24.28 | \amethyst | Gijs: so start it up and leave it running |
| 17:24.46 | greycat | I'm scared and confused by people who use the word "open" to mean "type" or "run". |
| 17:24.48 | \amethyst | Gijs: oh, you want to know how much bandwidth a process *has* used, in the past? Not possible AFAIK |
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| 17:24.55 | Gijs | yeah |
| 17:24.56 | Gijs | but |
| 17:24.59 | Gijs | oke |
| 17:25.17 | nooper | how come CompanionCube gets so many 9s in his ip address |
| 17:25.21 | Gijs | then is it possible to run it now and THEN see how much bandwith it has used since i started it |
| 17:25.31 | nooper | and i dont get any |
| 17:25.41 | simonrvn | he put the there? |
| 17:25.48 | greycat | well, um, yours is a mask. |
| 17:26.04 | nooper | behind the mask, i dont have any |
| 17:26.25 | \amethyst | Gijs: it says right there in the 'RECEIVED' column |
| 17:26.39 | \amethyst | Gijs: 6961 neil wget eth0 6.484 295.703 KB/sec |
| 17:27.08 | \amethyst | Gijs: ah, I see what you're asking... AFAIK that's instantaneous, not cumulative, bandwidth usage |
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| 17:27.48 | SerajewelKS | nooper: i could have such an ip address too :) |
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| 17:28.02 | Gijs | ohh oke |
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| 17:30.09 | bvk | hi how to fix this openboot error: fast data access mmu miss |
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| 17:34.11 | wols | !sparc |
| 17:34.11 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 17:35.42 | bvk | wols: ok, i will try in debian-sparc. thanks |
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| 17:37.56 | RonaIdo77 | i need a help |
| 17:38.01 | titan8990 | !ask |
| 17:38.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:38.42 | pallgone | !errors |
| 17:38.43 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 17:39.00 | acu | I have mirrored one of the system hardisk - Debian Squeeze - and restored in another computer - everything is fine except that the network card is not recognized - how can I find and activate the network card ? |
| 17:39.08 | RonaIdo77 | postfix + mysql + quota |
| 17:39.58 | titan8990 | RonaIdo77: try again in the form of a question |
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| 17:40.26 | titan8990 | acu: what kind of card is it? |
| 17:40.29 | adb | !tell acu about 70 |
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| 17:40.31 | klync | acu: do you know what driver (kernel module) the card uses? if not, start there |
| 17:40.58 | chops1 | RonaIdo77: Is there another language you're more comfortable with than English? |
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| 17:42.32 | RonaIdo77 | chops1: persze, beszelhetunk magyarul is ha gondolod |
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| 17:43.21 | dpkg | somebody said hu was Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
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| 17:55.37 | lindenle | Hi all I am having trouble with gtk applications taking up a ton of cpu as they render in xorg under kde. |
| 17:55.40 | lindenle | any ideas? |
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| 17:56.41 | jhutchins_lt | lindenle: What applications? What release? |
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| 17:58.08 | lindenle | Only when I switch gtk app windows |
| 17:58.18 | bAndie9100 | hello |
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| 18:00.09 | nutron | Is anyone else experiencing lag with iceweasel? I mean, every few seconds, even while simply scrolling. |
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| 18:00.17 | sylar | I get sudden disconnects of USB DVD-RW |
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| 18:00.23 | greycat | what do you mean by lag, exactly? |
| 18:01.17 | acu | how can I see or change my ehternet card - I know the configuration files call eth0 but is not |
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| 18:01.31 | greycat | acu: /etc/network/interfaces unless you're using some fancy new thing |
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| 18:02.23 | nutron | greycat: The whole process seems to freeze for a few seconds. I can click a link, it loads, then go to scroll with the mouse wheel and it freezes. A few seconds later it goes back to normal, 10 seconds later, another 2 second freeze, rinse, repeat ad nauseum. |
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| 18:02.52 | greycat | The mouse works normally during the period of freezing, in things other than iceweasl? |
| 18:03.07 | acu | greycat: this is a configuration from the server I cloned - my problem is to find the network card which is on the computer |
| 18:03.20 | enyawix | why are so many package dependencies broken? example installing kde will not trigger xorg to be installed |
| 18:03.40 | nutron | I'm assuming it's a plugin behaving badly, but I've removed most of everything I can. Google chrome works fine, I haven't tried another browser yet. |
| 18:04.11 | enyawix | i could fix the dependencies but it would take weeks to figure out all the missing dependencies |
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| 18:04.43 | acu | enyawix: what do you use? Squeeze, Lenny ? |
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| 18:04.48 | greycat | acu: "ifconfig -a" will show all the interfaces the kernel sees |
| 18:04.54 | enyawix | acu Squeeze |
| 18:04.56 | greycat | acu: you can also use things like "lspci" |
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| 18:05.19 | darkblue_B | hi - I have a package install problem.. python-tz "is not configured yet" but it is installed.. some kind of loop.. what to do? |
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| 18:05.49 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.07 | acu | greycat: I think this was it - the network card is seen as eth1 so I will change it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:06.34 | greycat | darkblue_B: start with dpkg --configure -a and see what happens |
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| 18:07.22 | darkblue_B | acu: when I use debian on a vritual machine, sometimes I get eth bumped to eth1.. removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70 network rules (something like that) and rebooting fixes it |
| 18:07.24 | adb | Mar 02 18:38<adb> !tell acu -about 70 |
| 18:07.42 | dimmur | Hello everyone. I'm upgrading debian unstable box and it's installing grub 2 - is it normal to grup-probe takes whole CPU? Or should i just kill it? |
| 18:07.46 | acu | enyawix: I did not updated today my squeezes - but it is possible that you have a mixture in your repositories /etc/apt/sources.list --- MAKE sure you have only squeeze - and also if you upgraded from lenny there is a command (I forgot with allows you to update properly) |
| 18:07.50 | darkblue_B | greycat: trying |
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| 18:08.42 | acu | adb and darkblue_B: I will look again - it is just that 70 network etc sounds to me to cryptic and scary :) |
| 18:09.10 | enyawix | acu i have a clean install with not added repositories |
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| 18:09.24 | darkblue_B | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/62127/ |
| 18:09.32 | adb | acu, paste your '70' |
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| 18:09.49 | enyawix | acu i used the squeeze net install cd |
| 18:10.05 | acu | enyawix: what do you use aptitude or synaptic - because I got some funny upgrades before when I use aptitude (though it may have been only me) |
| 18:10.29 | enyawix | acu i use synaptic |
| 18:10.35 | adb | !tell acu -about paste |
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| 18:11.23 | enyawix | acu i used dselect to get kde xorg and synaptic |
| 18:11.44 | acu | enyawix: here is something beyond me...but if you have GNOME means Xorg is installed... hopefully this geniuses lurking around will help you |
| 18:12.08 | wols | acu: no it does not. gnome is a X client, not a X server |
| 18:12.34 | wols | enyawix: not getting X when installing a X client is NOT broken. it is the way X is designed |
| 18:12.39 | enyawix | acu i did not install GNOME |
| 18:12.51 | wols | enyawix: just install xorg |
| 18:12.58 | acu | wols: you are right but if enyawix is in GNOME means X is running :) |
| 18:13.05 | enyawix | wols kde depends on xorg |
| 18:13.37 | sylar | http://pastebin.com/LJapBh6a |
| 18:13.50 | sylar | Anyone know these sr0 errors? |
| 18:14.23 | wols | enyawix: show me a dependency where it depends on xorg |
| 18:14.54 | enyawix | wols X should be a dependency for and x client |
| 18:15.03 | titan8990 | sylar: bad cddrive, bad media, scratch on the disc, etc |
| 18:15.24 | enyawix | wols easy start kde with out xorg |
| 18:15.31 | acu | enyawix: OK because I thought synaptic package manager runs only in gnome or kde - so you tried apt-get install kde-full |
| 18:15.33 | wols | enyawix: no it should not be and it is not |
| 18:15.46 | \amethyst | enyawix: X is a network protocol, so it is possible to run the client on one machine and the server on another |
| 18:15.48 | wols | enyawix: X11 is a network client server protocol |
| 18:15.49 | sylar | titan8990, k, but sometimes it happens without the Buffer I/Os lines |
| 18:16.01 | \amethyst | enyawix: which is why X clients don't typically have hard dependencies on X servers |
| 18:16.19 | titan8990 | sylar: that I am uncertain about |
| 18:16.22 | \amethyst | enyawix: I could see the argument for a Recommends:, though. Right now it's just a Suggests: |
| 18:16.44 | darkblue_B | why is it that on 1000baseT on a quiet network, X Windows from one machine to another is still dog slow? |
| 18:16.54 | wols | darkblue_B: latency perhaps? |
| 18:17.03 | \amethyst | enyawix: actually, in Squeeze/sid, kdebase does Recommends: xserver-xorg |
| 18:17.17 | \amethyst | enyawix: in Lenny it looks like there's only a Suggests: though |
| 18:17.21 | wols | another reason not to have recommends enabled by default |
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| 18:18.16 | enyawix | \amethyst it was not even recommended |
| 18:18.36 | \amethyst | enyawix: you're using Lenny? |
| 18:19.10 | enyawix | fine i will figure out what is missing the hard way |
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| 18:19.29 | enyawix | printing is also broken |
| 18:19.33 | wols | if something is missing (big if) apt tells you exactly what |
| 18:19.44 | wols | enyawix: you run TESTING! what exactly do you expect? |
| 18:19.53 | enyawix | i bet you guys did the same type of this with printing |
| 18:19.58 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to check for missing recommends for installed packages? |
| 18:20.23 | jhutchins_lt | enyawix: Us guys? You mean the fellow users here? |
| 18:20.30 | sylar | titan8990, it's probably not (only) the media since it happens a lot |
| 18:20.30 | acu | my network card was solved I just changed from eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces - thanks to all - |
| 18:20.41 | \amethyst | wait... |
| 18:20.49 | sylar | titan8990, so it is either the drive or the enclosure |
| 18:20.49 | enyawix | wols i think this is also a dependency issue |
| 18:20.54 | acu | I thought there is a module for automatic hardware detection -similar to that in suse or somehting |
| 18:20.56 | titan8990 | sylar: how old is the drive? i go through one every 1-2years |
| 18:20.57 | \amethyst | kdebase recommends kdm, which recommends xserver-xorg |
| 18:21.17 | sylar | titan8990, I think 1 year max |
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| 18:21.35 | \amethyst | so, if you have install-recommends enabled, installing kde *should* pull in xserver-xorg |
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| 18:21.53 | sylar | titan8990, but the enclosure is just a cheap dynamode, and there is also a USB hub in the middle which is cheap |
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| 18:22.56 | wols | \amethyst: recommends are default on since lenny or so |
| 18:23.10 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.38 | enyawix | blank* pages |
| 18:23.46 | jhutchins_lt | enyawix: I was gonna ask... |
| 18:23.50 | \amethyst | enyawix: do you have something in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ that says 'Install-Recommends "false";' ? |
| 18:24.01 | enyawix | looking |
| 18:24.14 | titan8990 | actually... install openssh-server in debian with install recommends will pull in xserver... |
| 18:24.37 | \amethyst | as for the printing stuff, it's possible that you don't have the correct driver or PPD, but I'm not all that familiar with cups setup |
| 18:24.48 | BorisK | hi |
| 18:24.56 | BorisK | where is the german debian channel ? |
| 18:25.13 | titan8990 | !de |
| 18:25.13 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 18:25.14 | wols | BorisK: debian.de |
| 18:25.23 | BorisK | thx |
| 18:25.45 | enyawix | thanks i will find a way to make this work |
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| 18:27.21 | \amethyst | titan8990: it will? through what dependency chain? I see that it will pull in X libraries |
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| 18:28.29 | titan8990 | \amethyst: something along the lines of openssh-server -> xauth -> x11-common |
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| 18:28.50 | \amethyst | titan8990: hm, what version of Debian? |
| 18:28.56 | titan8990 | which I thought pulled in the actual server but checking now it may not |
| 18:29.02 | titan8990 | \amethyst: lenny |
| 18:29.11 | \amethyst | titan8990: aha |
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| 18:30.14 | \amethyst | titan8990: I guess the xauth - x11-common dependency was dropped |
| 18:30.32 | \amethyst | though still I wouldn't expect x11-common to pull in xserver-xorg either |
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| 18:30.40 | jhutchins_lt | Probably something to do with X forwarding. |
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| 18:31.20 | \amethyst | jhutchins_lt: yes, but that doesn't explain why it would pull in an X server, unless every X client recommends an X server indirectly |
| 18:31.30 | \amethyst | which I didn't think to be the case |
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| 18:35.21 | darkblue_B | so this package is returning an error on 'configure', and it is now holding up the whole show here... what can I do to find out the details? |
| 18:35.28 | darkblue_B | its python-tz |
| 18:35.32 | darkblue_B | whatever that is |
| 18:36.03 | darkblue_B | post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 18:36.19 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: pastebin the output |
| 18:36.20 | darkblue_B | how can I find this post install scrips? |
| 18:36.25 | darkblue_B | greycat: http://paste.debian.net/62127/ |
| 18:36.37 | darkblue_B | titan8990: thats all I am seeing |
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| 18:37.25 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: what version of debian is this? |
| 18:37.28 | titan8990 | judd: versions python-tx |
| 18:37.30 | titan8990 | judd: versions python-tz |
| 18:37.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'python-tx' was found. |
| 18:37.31 | judd | python-tz -- etch: 2006p-0.1; lenny: 2008c-2; sid: 2010b-1; squeeze: 2010b-1 |
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| 18:38.01 | darkblue_B | its 5 release |
| 18:38.08 | darkblue_B | 5.02 perhaps |
| 18:38.19 | deed02392 | how can i remove the inet6 address from an interface? |
| 18:38.24 | deed02392 | or otherwise disable ipv6 |
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| 18:38.48 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: lsb_release -r |
| 18:39.03 | darkblue_B | 5.0.3 |
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| 18:39.58 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: did you manually install some python modules outside of dpkg/apt? |
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| 18:40.21 | darkblue_B | hmmmm nothing with dependancies |
| 18:40.33 | wols | that's not what he asked darkblue_B |
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| 18:40.55 | darkblue_B | well what *I* asked was how do I find this post install script |
| 18:40.59 | darkblue_B | thats failing |
| 18:41.00 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: the error seems that files that are contained in the python-tz package have already been installed on your system via another method |
| 18:41.06 | darkblue_B | oohhh |
| 18:41.16 | themill | darkblue_B: you're not going to fix the problem by fiddling with the postinst |
| 18:41.25 | darkblue_B | what if there is not problem |
| 18:41.30 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: darkblue_B pycentral: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files |
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| 18:41.40 | darkblue_B | hmmm |
| 18:42.04 | darkblue_B | what if its a fussy script and there are not structural conflicts |
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| 18:42.19 | themill | darkblue_B: umm... there are. that's why it bailed out |
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| 18:42.44 | darkblue_B | if file harmless.py is sitting there, it may fail, just because it is there |
| 18:42.44 | wols | themill: not if he (outside of dpkg) installed the sam file python-tz wants to install somewhere |
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| 18:43.22 | themill | darkblue_B: you're not supposed to be fiddling with stuff inside /usr/{share,lib,bin}. /usr/local exists for that. |
| 18:43.22 | wols | darkblue_B: /var/lib/dpkg/info do on your own risk. set -x is greatly advised |
| 18:43.41 | darkblue_B | what is set -x? |
| 18:43.57 | wols | and that is why you shouldn't fiddle with the postinst |
| 18:44.15 | darkblue_B | I am interested in how to get out of this... |
| 18:44.24 | themill | never heard of set -x and yet completely convinced there's no problem |
| 18:44.45 | wols | darkblue_B: easy. you uninstall the shit you installed |
| 18:44.51 | darkblue_B | I dont beleive there are terrible problems here.. I just want to get unwedged |
| 18:44.57 | darkblue_B | I didnt install any shit |
| 18:45.08 | wols | then why is there a file which doesn't belong? |
| 18:45.10 | darkblue_B | I installed a very few python things |
| 18:45.11 | wols | magic? |
| 18:45.20 | wols | aha, so you did install shit |
| 18:45.23 | darkblue_B | which are reliable and stable and dont have dependancies |
| 18:45.31 | TomyLobo2 | python=shit? :D |
| 18:45.42 | themill | darkblue_B: and somehow left random files around in places they shouldn't. |
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| 18:45.49 | wols | TomyLobo2: I have many friends who agree. well, one,. he's allergic to whitespace |
| 18:46.14 | darkblue_B | oohhh look I dont want to argue.. I am not that great at this pkg stuff.. |
| 18:46.17 | themill | darkblue_B: clean up /usr/share/pyshared/pytz/ and have another go |
| 18:46.20 | TomyLobo2 | wols i agree as well, just didnt want to troll that much :) |
| 18:46.36 | wols | TomyLobo2: for the record, I don't agree. I like python. very much |
| 18:46.41 | darkblue_B | themill: looking |
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| 18:47.44 | darkblue_B | time zone |
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| 18:49.26 | darkblue_B | so /usr/shared/pyshared is maintained by debian, instead of site-packages... hmmmm |
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| 18:51.10 | TomyLobo | darkblue_B i remember them telling you to put your non-debian stuff to /usr/local |
| 18:51.30 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: I had never heard of site-packages but first google link was titled "site-packages Considered Harmful" |
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| 18:51.59 | htk_ | how i can compile atl1c kernel module for fresh install debian 5.0 (because atl1c ethernet driver, there is no net connection) |
| 18:52.00 | TomyLobo | titan8990 only in half the currently used python versions :D |
| 18:52.29 | titan8990 | htk_: what is the pciid of the device? |
| 18:52.40 | htk_ | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. Device 1063 (rev c0) |
| 18:53.05 | darkblue_B | TomyLobo: do you have a link to that? |
| 18:53.05 | greycat | htk_: use "lspci -nn" |
| 18:53.16 | TomyLobo | darkblue_B to what? |
| 18:53.21 | darkblue_B | titan8990: that sounds dumb |
| 18:53.36 | titan8990 | darkblue_B: I didn't write the blog article... |
| 18:53.49 | darkblue_B | TomyLobo: advice to put something in /usr/local |
| 18:53.53 | TomyLobo | darkblue_B i think newer python versions use dist-packages or something. dont know exactly |
| 18:54.04 | titan8990 | TomyLobo: distutils? |
| 18:54.15 | darkblue_B | the python world is relentlessly well ordered, and I am not an expert in it |
| 18:54.16 | TomyLobo | darkblue_B no, people here told you to do so |
| 18:54.30 | darkblue_B | but there hav things figured out.. its self-consistant |
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| 18:54.34 | TomyLobo | darkblue_B neither am i :) |
| 18:55.38 | TomyLobo | but everything you install with make install scons install or manually always defaults to /usr/local |
| 18:55.52 | wols | htk_: get a kmuto kernel |
| 18:55.56 | themill | darkblue_B: so it might interest you to know that python has deprecated "site-pacakges" itself then from python 2.6 onwards. |
| 18:55.58 | Gijs | greycat i got a question: pgrep -f processlocation |
| 18:56.01 | wols | !tell htk_ about kmuto |
| 18:56.03 | Gijs | that doesn't work on all processes |
| 18:56.03 | TomyLobo | manually = by following a readme |
| 18:56.24 | TomyLobo | themill what's the new folder again? |
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| 18:56.35 | themill | TomyLobo: dist-packages as you said |
| 18:56.37 | darkblue_B | themill my understanding is that 2.6 is a compatability, transition version to python 3, in which many, many things change |
| 18:56.55 | darkblue_B | so sure, maybe site-packages goes away |
| 18:57.00 | greycat | Gijs: if you're serious about this, you might want to look at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement but it's a bit more involved than you might have been expecting |
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| 18:57.39 | htk_ | thnx, wols |
| 18:57.46 | tobago | i fight for getting my wdm starting automatically again. the login screen doesn't pop up. wdm is in /etc/init.d. i even can't run wdm by command. then the screen flickers for some seconds and then it returns back to console. what to do? |
| 18:57.52 | Gijs | :| |
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| 18:58.21 | greycat | tobago: reconfigure X and get things to the point that "startx" works, and then wdm might work. |
| 18:58.26 | titan8990 | wols: did he get the pciid and I missed it or were you familar with that driver? |
| 18:59.36 | fatalerrors | hello, i need qt <= 4.6.1 to compile an app... do you know if qt 4.6.1 or 4.6.2 is projected as debian package? |
| 18:59.46 | fatalerrors | in sid or exp maybe |
| 19:00.02 | greycat | the app requires an *old* version? |
| 19:00.55 | greycat | Or did you mean to write >= instead of <= ? |
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| 19:01.18 | fatalerrors | greycat: yes |
| 19:01.24 | greycat | judd, versions libqt4-dev |
| 19:01.24 | fatalerrors | >= |
| 19:01.26 | judd | libqt4-dev -- etch: 4.2.1-2+etch1; etch-security: 4.2.1-2+etch1; lenny: 4.4.3-1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; sid: 4:4.5.3-4; squeeze: 4:4.5.3-4; experimental: 4:4.6.0-1 |
| 19:01.51 | fatalerrors | i'm running the version in experimental |
| 19:02.00 | greycat | then why'd you need to ask us? |
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| 19:02.38 | fatalerrors | greycat: because it's not enough... i need 4.6.1 minimum |
| 19:02.53 | greycat | If you are running experimental packages, you should be able to look up the versions just like I did. |
| 19:02.56 | wols | titan8990: attansic driver, supported around .30 or so of the kernel |
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| 19:03.32 | fatalerrors | greycat: my question is do you know if there's project to upgrade qt soon |
| 19:05.00 | titan8990 | fatalerrors: that lib is barely over a month old... and already applications that depend on it? |
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| 19:05.02 | fatalerrors | i'm tester for some kde apps |
| 19:05.04 | darkblue_B | so its python-matplotlib that is the prblem.. python-tz was a false elad |
| 19:05.10 | darkblue_B | lead... |
| 19:05.11 | fatalerrors | but i don't want to compile qt as compiling all the qt app i use is to much work |
| 19:05.18 | TomyLobo | will they fix the kde network manager? :) |
| 19:05.30 | fatalerrors | TomyLobo: yes |
| 19:06.00 | TomyLobo | neat. last thing i read was them blaming it on the drivers... |
| 19:06.19 | fatalerrors | it's in kdereview actually... a totally new network interface implementation will be made for 4.5 |
| 19:06.29 | fatalerrors | before this omly bug fixing |
| 19:06.33 | fatalerrors | only |
| 19:06.43 | greycat | Why the fuck does kde have a network interface implementation? |
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| 19:07.20 | fatalerrors | greycat: to manage/configure/check it |
| 19:07.25 | nooper | kde wants to have everything. one day, there will be a kde OS |
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| 19:07.49 | fatalerrors | but the actual one is b***sh*** |
| 19:07.51 | linduxed | when something is being extracted, during the operation it's placed in some other directory than the destination... where? |
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| 19:08.21 | fatalerrors | linduxed: just like gnome |
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| 19:09.16 | greycat | Why would an overgrown window manager have ANY built-in OS manipulation garbage? |
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| 19:09.29 | greycat | So that it can only run on Linux? |
| 19:09.48 | TomyLobo | greycat kde is a desktop environment |
| 19:09.54 | TomyLobo | and it runs on solaris fine |
| 19:10.14 | greycat | So the "network interface implementation" that it has just coincidentally handles both Debian and Solaris's OS configurations? |
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| 19:10.32 | greycat | Does it know about AIX's registry too? HP-UX's configurations? NetBSD? |
| 19:10.33 | themill | greycat: don't confuse writing a program using a library with the library depending on that program being present |
| 19:10.45 | TomyLobo | gremlin133 we were talking about knetworkmanager |
| 19:10.47 | fatalerrors | greycat: apps are running on Mac and Windows as well since 4.0 as it's now massively multyplatform |
| 19:10.51 | TomyLobo | greycat* |
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| 19:11.30 | TomyLobo | greycat which is a front-end to the network-manager daemon |
| 19:11.31 | greycat | reminds himself not to touch KDE or GNOME |
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| 19:12.26 | TomyLobo | greycat what do you use to automatically connect to your home's/office's wifi, depending on which one is available? |
| 19:12.28 | fatalerrors | greycat: system config files is different problem... programmers are needed to adapt programs using this to work correctly |
| 19:12.31 | linduxed | fatalerrors: ??? |
| 19:12.35 | themill | greycat: any tosser can write any program they like using any library they like. If my wonderful new frobinator app uses glibc, would that stop you using any other program that used glibc? |
| 19:13.01 | greycat | themill: you've lost me. I was just wondering why in the name of god KDE has an OS configuration tool. |
| 19:13.04 | themill | (given that I know you'll just *hate* frobinator) |
| 19:13.46 | fatalerrors | linduxed: i'm speeking of the equivalent of NetworkManager on other platform |
| 19:13.47 | themill | greycat: KDE is set of libraries and a set of applications that sit in the one VCS. Why shouldn't there be a network configuration tool somewhere amongst that set of apps? |
| 19:14.08 | greycat | dpkg: vcs |
| 19:14.08 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, greycat |
| 19:14.09 | fatalerrors | a good frontend should work on different platform |
| 19:14.28 | TomyLobo | version control system |
| 19:14.34 | themill | greycat: there's probably a dozen different versions of solitaire in there too. Doesn't mean you have to install them or use them to use the window manager. |
| 19:14.35 | TomyLobo | cvs svn hg git, whatever |
| 19:14.47 | htk_ | how can i upgrade my kernel which 2.6.26-2-amd64 (its comes with debian 5 fresh install)? |
| 19:14.57 | htk_ | because of atl1c kernel driver |
| 19:15.08 | fatalerrors | themill: totally agree |
| 19:15.09 | TomyLobo | (msg dpkg kernel |
| 19:15.11 | TomyLobo | oops |
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| 19:15.21 | greycat | So if I wrote a version of Pac-Man, or something... and put an iptables/netfilter management program in it... that would be kosher? |
| 19:15.30 | TomyLobo | htk_ you get the point :) |
| 19:15.40 | themill | greycat: ummm no. One tool per job. |
| 19:15.47 | linduxed | fatalerrors: that had nothing to do with what i was asking... |
| 19:15.51 | themill | (one job per tool...) |
| 19:16.01 | greycat | Then why does a *desktop* have a network interface management tool in it? |
| 19:16.19 | fatalerrors | linduxed: sorry, misunderstanded so |
| 19:16.20 | TomyLobo | greycat kde is not "one tool" |
| 19:16.34 | nooper | sometimes people want to manage their network interface from their desktop |
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| 19:16.45 | themill | greycat: are you allowed to run vi within your xterm? are you allowed to run your xterm within your window manager? |
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| 19:17.13 | TomyLobo | i can't, i got rid of vi \o/ |
| 19:17.33 | themill | greycat: these are just tools that happen to use the same library set which saves on a lot of NIH, a lot of library bloat and potentially a lot of disk and memory usage by everything using the same set of libraries. |
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| 19:18.07 | fatalerrors | greycat: gnome have one, xfce as well and many other desktop... and you can install the softwares you want if you like kde desktop you're not forced to install its network management tool |
| 19:18.38 | TomyLobo | apt-get install kde-minimal |
| 19:18.41 | themill | greycat: have you ever wondered just how much crappy, crashy badly written config file parsing code you have on your machine in each individual binary because each programmer developed it differently? Let's introduce an exciting concept called a shared library and all use the same one. |
| 19:18.51 | jhutchins_lt | On the other hand, if you have to install kde or gnome in order to get your wifi to work, that's bad. |
| 19:18.59 | TomyLobo | though i'm not sure whether that comes with knetworkmanager or not. i guess not |
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| 19:19.05 | greycat | themill: any config file parsing errors I commit when I'm editing them in vi are my own fault. |
| 19:19.06 | themill | jhutchins_lt: of course. And you don't. |
| 19:19.14 | TomyLobo | kde-minimal is not the minimum amount of kde you can install, either |
| 19:19.22 | themill | greycat: why don't you do it in ed instead? |
| 19:19.34 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Right, not right now, and Deb has done a great job of making console-based wifi usable. |
| 19:19.38 | fatalerrors | anyway this why KDE software have been renamed to make difference with the libraries |
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| 19:19.57 | themill | jhutchins_lt: eh? ifconfig iwconfig still work just fine? |
| 19:20.30 | TomyLobo | themill he said "usable" |
| 19:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Some distros don't have a way to manage the configuration from the console other than manually setting it up with iwconfig. Or didn't, they may be fixed now. |
| 19:20.43 | nocturnus | how can i move my document to the left by one inch on the piece of paper i'm printing to, using CUPS's 'lp' command? |
| 19:20.45 | fatalerrors | kde software are now part of KDE SC for "software compilation" |
| 19:22.11 | themill | I can't say I ever found it hard to fiddle with cli wireless settings even back in sarge, but I'll take n-m any day over doing that. (There's also cnetworkmanager if you want to go that way) |
| 19:22.12 | greycat | I'll never get it. It must have something to do with paradigms. Or leveraging. |
| 19:22.43 | themill | greycat: umm... no. It's only to do with shared libraries. |
| 19:22.58 | nooper | dont forget synergy |
| 19:23.45 | themill | wonders if greycat thinks that 208 packages depending on libpcre is a terrible thing and that he should stop using perl immediately |
| 19:24.35 | greycat | I just don't understand why the shiny happy-face clown toy in the nursery has a drain-unclogging snake on it. |
| 19:24.55 | greycat | And a soldering iron. |
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| 19:25.23 | wols | themill: n-m is fine as long as its optional: it's foolish but I don't have to use it. I draw the line when apps break when you're not using it. that's just evil |
| 19:25.31 | tobago | greycat, startx by hand does work. but it should start automatically. |
| 19:26.14 | icebrain | I use wicd-curses, doesn't need no stinking GUI :) |
| 19:26.34 | themill | greycat: bad analogy. Better analogy: you can't work out why both the shiny happy-face clown toy in the nursery and the drain unclogging snake were both made using plastic and steel. |
| 19:27.33 | greycat | tobago: did you change something to get startx to work? |
| 19:28.59 | greycat | If so, try /etc/init.d/wdm restart |
| 19:32.34 | tobago | greycat, no. i didn't change anything. |
| 19:33.49 | greycat | then you need to find some log files or something, that tell you why it's failing |
| 19:34.03 | tobago | greycat, what should a /etc/init.d/wdm restart change? i guess it won't start the login screen automatically since then. |
| 19:34.07 | greycat | I don't know where wdm logs, if anywhere. X logs in /var/log/Xorg.* |
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| 19:34.34 | tobago | greycat, i searched the /var/log/xorg log but found nothing evil in it. |
| 19:34.57 | greycat | did Xorg.*.log even get updated after you terminated the manual startx? |
| 19:35.05 | greycat | in other words, did wdm even *attempt* to start X? |
| 19:36.21 | tobago | greycat, the xorg log was updated today. but today i didn't startx. but i guess it will update it when i will do startx again, as i did 2 days before. |
| 19:36.43 | greycat | ... now I'm confused again. |
| 19:37.15 | greycat | You came here with a problem, I suggested trying startx manually, you confirmed that it worked... but you did it two days ago? |
| 19:37.32 | tobago | greycat, i'm fighting this problem for some days. and 2 days ago i used startx to start the X. |
| 19:37.51 | greycat | So you aren't actually *trying* anything we suggest? |
| 19:37.59 | tobago | today i try again to fix this problem. |
| 19:38.13 | tobago | greycat, i did 2 days ago. |
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| 19:38.18 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:38.22 | tobago | i can do it again. |
| 19:38.47 | tobago | i will do it again. and then i will check if the xorg log was updated by startx. |
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| 19:42.11 | tobago | greycat, did startx and it touched the xorg log file. |
| 19:42.32 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how reliably unstable's version of gnash plays videos at hulu.com and youtube.com? |
| 19:42.44 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: the multiple screens and keyboards is hard in lenny it appears and is now in the "not enough time" basket :| |
| 19:43.17 | titan8990 | kingsley: all versions of gnash will likely have issues with a variety of things |
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| 19:45.50 | mentor | I'm trying to recover some files I delete in an ext3 filesystem. The only HOWTO on the subject says to recover metadata for the files from the journal. If there is no such metadata recoverable from the journal, am I SOL? |
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| 19:50.04 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:57.04 | mentor | /quit1/me gives up then |
| 19:57.07 | mentor | feh |
| 19:57.10 | mentor | gives up then |
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| 20:01.27 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: eh what ? |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: oh ok |
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| 20:01.45 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: it's in the "too difficult for now" basket ;) |
| 20:02.11 | jpinx-eeepc | but I appreciate the pointers - bookmarks saved ;) |
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| 20:09.48 | chazy | I'm running WDM and trying to make it so both virtual terminal 7 and 8 have a X login screen to log into. This way two people can be logged in at once with the graphical login and their own sessions. |
| 20:10.22 | chazy | Any ideas? |
| 20:10.35 | sepult | !ideas |
| 20:10.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 rabid oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:10.36 | greycat | tell it to run X as :0 and another X as :1 |
| 20:11.35 | chazy | greycat: I can launch it with startx -- :1 but I'm tryinng to have the wdm login screen on both vty7 and 8 so I can see it when I switch between both of them with CTRL+ALT+7 or 8 |
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| 20:11.57 | greycat | tell wdm to do that. I don't know where you tell it such things. but it must have a place. |
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| 20:12.27 | chazy | greycat: That's why I am here, I can't find the place. |
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| 20:13.00 | wols | chazy: to connect two keyboards and mice to a single machine needs a bit more than just running wdm twice |
| 20:13.10 | greycat | is there an /etc/wdm/ directory? |
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| 20:14.53 | chazy | wols: I'm not its a single keyboard and mouse. I just want to switch between two virtual terminals that both have graphical login prompts |
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| 20:15.05 | chazy | greycat: /etc/X11/wdm |
| 20:15.16 | greycat | then it's probably somewhere in there. |
| 20:15.23 | chazy | I've looked through all the configs |
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| 20:15.33 | greycat | look for a plain text file that has an X somewhere in its contents, and probably also a :0 |
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| 20:16.00 | chazy | foudn it! |
| 20:16.03 | chazy | thx |
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| 20:22.52 | ef | does anybody know how to disable auto mounting ntfs partitions for some users? |
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| 20:23.49 | titan8990 | ef: depends on how its being automounted |
| 20:24.15 | gothenburg | fstab? |
| 20:24.30 | greycat | fstab is not "auto mount" |
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| 20:24.59 | greycat | I assumed autofs/autofs4 but titan8990 raises a good point |
| 20:25.07 | greycat | it could be supermount or some other ungodly thing |
| 20:25.30 | ef | its mounted with disc-manager |
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| 20:27.12 | thechaos | I'm trying to do a preseeded install from a USB stick. At the end of my install, I would like to install a metapackage that is also on that USB stick, but I'm having trouble getting to it. What's the best way to do so? |
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| 20:27.46 | titan8990 | greycat: fstab with the abscense of the "noauto" option is not automounting? |
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| 20:28.47 | greycat | Not by any definition of auto mounting I've ever heard before. |
| 20:28.52 | thechaos | I've tried putting a repository locally on the USB stick (no connection to the inter- or intrawebs), I've tried doing a late_command, I've tried doing a simple pkgsel/include. None have worked. |
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| 20:30.24 | poisonbit | thechaos, you're installing from the usb, but the target chroot has not the usb mounted |
| 20:30.35 | SimManiac | re |
| 20:30.48 | gothenburg | Det var då... |
| 20:31.01 | poisonbit | thechaos, you can debug it with a mount > /var/log/mounts.log in yout late command, and see the log after reboot |
| 20:31.17 | thechaos | Right. I've tried mounting the usb the way I normally would, but that doesn't seem to work. Is there a way to say "nono, this is where the file/repo is?" |
| 20:31.34 | jhutchins_lt | is "re" some sort of greeting? |
| 20:32.07 | greycat | It's a drop of golden sun. |
| 20:32.08 | ElDiabolo | Is there a rule for libapache2-mod packages to install the module initially disabled? |
| 20:32.20 | lunk | hello, how can i halt the delivery of mails over a certain spam threshold with spamassassin? or redirect to /dev/null? |
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| 20:33.09 | greycat | I have my dot-qmail files set up to deliver to ~/Spamdir/ instead of ~/Maildir/ |
| 20:33.15 | greycat | but I doubt you're using qmail |
| 20:33.32 | poisonbit | thechaos, you can copy the .deb _before_ doing chroot |
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| 20:33.51 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: If i had to guess, I would say the postinst scripts enables the modules |
| 20:34.01 | thechaos | Awesome. *How* can I copy the .deb before the chroot? |
| 20:34.13 | poisonbit | copy it into the chroot, and then install/add to sources.list a deb file:///mnt/bla (into the chroot) |
| 20:34.20 | poisonbit | using cp |
| 20:34.46 | poisonbit | late_command cp /bla /target/foo ; chroot /target ; bla |
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| 20:35.54 | thechaos | What is the actual path for /bla if it's on the USB stick, though? is it /metapackage.deb or is it /hd-media/metapackage.deb or is it /something/else/metapackage.deb (assume it's on the root of the stick) |
| 20:36.09 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: I would do that, but at least mod_apreq2 does not do that. |
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| 20:36.31 | poisonbit | thechaos, mm i think it's /hd-media, but don't trust me, |
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| 20:36.41 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: only a single command away from enabling... |
| 20:36.46 | cheako | Hello, I just got Apple's Magic Mouse working. Does any one know how to debug a muti-touch mouse? |
| 20:36.47 | thechaos | Yeah. I think it is, too, and that cp doesn't work. error 127 |
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| 20:37.09 | poisonbit | thechaos, make a latte_command mount >> log ; in a test install and you will see |
| 20:37.28 | poisonbit | err >> /target/log (to keep it after reboot) |
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| 20:37.49 | thechaos | Will do. I'll be back in 20 minutes or whenever when the install is done. |
| 20:38.05 | poisonbit | good luck |
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| 20:38.43 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: A single command can make a big difference. Especially if it causes only a cryptic message, which is the case with mod_apreq2 Apache2 wrapper. |
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| 20:39.20 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: what cryptic message? |
| 20:39.24 | mathias__ | hi |
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| 20:39.32 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: it shouldn't output anything |
| 20:40.08 | mathias__ | I followed some instructions to root my android G1 but I am stuck where this rainbow bootloader tells me "not allow" after checking and loading the dreaimg.nbh. What can I do? |
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| 20:40.20 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: Some symbol not found message ... |
| 20:40.22 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: and just to make sure we are on the same page, that command is either `ln` or `a2enmod` |
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| 20:40.40 | cheako | Does any one work with BT input devices? |
| 20:40.45 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: sounds like you were trying to load a kernel module, as opposed to an apache module |
| 20:41.13 | wish^ | I need to delete my rtorrent and webui and install deluge, can someone help me with this? |
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| 20:41.39 | lunk | greycat: yea, looks like spamassassin doesn't do that and I need to configure the MTA to filter the headers. Postfix in my case...thanks! |
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| 20:42.10 | cheako | I'm struggling with having to run "hidd --search && hcitool enc 34:15:9E:D3:C6:DA" |
| 20:42.15 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: No, its simply missing the libapreq library. |
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| 20:42.56 | cheako | Also for paring I didn't know what to use, so I went with 0000. Now that I'm trying to encrypt I'd like to use something stronger. |
| 20:43.16 | cheako | err trying to get good encryption. |
| 20:43.57 | cheako | I was surprised hcitool just turned encryption on and every thing went on like nothing happened. |
| 20:44.26 | elgalinero | Hello people, I would need some help regarding plugin installation for vim. |
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| 20:45.05 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: This is currently a problem because I am working on a perl module, that I later want to debianize. This depnds on mod_apreq2. |
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| 20:46.18 | uebera|| | Hi. Is there a public repository for current packages of tomcat6 and solr-tomcat6 for *Lenny* (i.e., "backports")? It's one thing to rebuild Sun's current JRE/JDK from unstable under Lenny, but rebuilding the entire java "toolchain" for tomcat6 is tedious... OTOH, I can't possibly be the only one who has a need for this in a production environment (->Lenny)? |
| 20:46.59 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:47.11 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: Lenny. |
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| 20:49.17 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: sorry, tell me again the command you used and the output |
| 20:49.31 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: your saying that the apache module fails due to lack of dependencies? |
| 20:50.29 | titan8990 | judd: versions tomcat6 |
| 20:50.30 | judd | tomcat6 -- sid: 6.0.24-2; squeeze: 6.0.24-2 |
| 20:50.33 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: No. |
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| 20:50.56 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: alright, then I suppose I am confused. Please explain the problem again |
| 20:52.06 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: If I install libapache2-request-perl this depends on libapache2-mod-apreq2. Everything is OK. |
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| 20:53.14 | titan8990 | ElDiabolo: are you saying that you figured out the problem, or was there something else? |
| 20:53.39 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: If I try to use Apache2::Request from perl I get a missing symbol error message. This is OK for me, I do understand that and after a few minutes a2enmod apreq |
| 20:55.22 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: I don't really have a problem. I am however working on a perl module that is targeted to an audience with lesser technical knowledge and to them it will be a problem. |
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| 20:56.05 | ElDiabolo | titan8990: Just thinking about what to do with this. |
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| 20:58.24 | Fantom__ | who are compile 2.6.33 successeful ? |
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| 20:59.04 | alfatau | hello, is there a way to mark packages for install using aptitude and then install them using commandline apt-get? thank you for your attention |
| 20:59.11 | titan8990 | Fantom__: ask your real question |
| 20:59.27 | titan8990 | alfatau: what is the purpose of that? |
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| 20:59.57 | Fantom__ | titan8990: i can't compile 2.6.33 successeful, it gives me "incorrect version" error?, but every other older kernel it compiles successefuly?!?! |
| 21:00.21 | Fantom__ | titan8990: i think it is a buggy |
| 21:00.23 | alfatau | titan8990: i've a dialup connection which frequently disconnects. i want to run "apt-get -d install (marked packages)" from a cron task. |
| 21:00.24 | titan8990 | Fantom__: is that the full error? during which step? make-kpkg? |
| 21:00.35 | Fantom__ | titan8990: yes make-kpkg |
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| 21:01.17 | Fantom__ | titan8990: after kernel_source; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image... |
| 21:01.22 | ElDiabolo | alfatau: You do know cron-apt ? |
| 21:01.53 | ElDiabolo | alfatau: Sorry, not shure if that soves your problem. |
| 21:02.20 | titan8990 | Fantom__: pastebin the full error. what version of debian is this, and why the need for a custom kernel? |
| 21:03.30 | titan8990 | alfatau: I have never used it but ElDiabolo's suggestion sounds about what your looking for |
| 21:03.34 | ddrj | got a question... how much ram does a standard debian 5.0 release take up? |
| 21:03.40 | alfatau | ElDiabolo: yes i know, but i'm not looking for updates. i want to choose packages to install and then leave the host to download all the night automatically reconnecting when connection is lost and automatically restarting apt-get downloading when connection is up. so (maybe) tomorrow morning i'll have all packages downloaded and i can handle their installation. |
| 21:03.42 | greycat | depends on what you run. |
| 21:03.57 | ddrj | just 2 daemons |
| 21:04.03 | ddrj | an rtorrent client and sabnzbd |
| 21:04.09 | ddrj | both are pretty light footprint |
| 21:04.35 | ddrj | ubuntu guys say their standard ram usage with nothing running is like 300 megs |
| 21:04.48 | greycat | Well, my rtorrent is using 8 MB (virtual size 20 MB). I don't know what sabnzbd is. |
| 21:04.54 | ElDiabolo | n8 |
| 21:05.07 | ddrj | greycat: probably the same amount, even less.. |
| 21:05.19 | ddrj | but i'm just wondering like with nothing open how much ram does debian use |
| 21:05.24 | greycat | ddrj: I suspect they don't understand how unix memory use works. They're probably misreading free's output. |
| 21:05.33 | ddrj | oh |
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| 21:05.48 | greycat | With just a kernel and an sshd and a few getty processes running, sitting idle, I would -guess- it's about 32 MB. |
| 21:06.10 | greycat | I haven't actually set up a machine under those conditions to verify. |
| 21:06.12 | titan8990 | alfatau: possibly dpkg --set-selections first? |
| 21:06.30 | greycat | Realistically you'd also have cron running, and probably a mail daemon, etc. |
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| 21:06.39 | greycat | None of those take a lot of memory. |
| 21:06.53 | titan8990 | thinks he will be expecting a GUI |
| 21:06.55 | Absolute0 | I am trying to install debian stable from an iso, once the installer is started it is unable to mount the cd and fails to complete, I tried using a different optical drive but i got the same error. The cd is fine as i have tested it with vmware. |
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| 21:07.30 | greycat | Absolute0: is the drive on SATA or ATAPI? |
| 21:07.54 | Absolute0 | i tried using unetbootin but that wont create a bootable usb stick for some reason |
| 21:07.58 | greycat | There's a decent chance the stable kernel can't find your SATA controller... |
| 21:07.58 | Absolute0 | greycat, its SATA |
| 21:08.00 | llutz | lenny +sshd, postfix, postgrey, dovecot, spamassassin, tor -/+ buffers/cache: 176M |
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| 21:08.11 | titan8990 | Absolute0: and with what sata controller? |
| 21:08.27 | Absolute0 | titan8990, how do i check? |
| 21:08.27 | greycat | spamassassin can be a huge memory hog |
| 21:08.29 | gothenburg | Jesus kristus |
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| 21:08.55 | titan8990 | Absolute0: lspci -nn; report the full line here |
| 21:09.01 | Fantom__ | titan8990: i can't now paste the error but i tell you on final step of compile just on final.. it tells "incorrect version 2.6.33, please correct this" make [error] 1 |
| 21:09.05 | Fantom__ | and stops |
| 21:09.26 | Absolute0 | titan8990, i am in windows :) checking device manager... |
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| 21:09.58 | titan8990 | Absolute0: thats not going to help, boot a livecd |
| 21:09.59 | Absolute0 | titan8990, i got an asus p55 motherboard... |
| 21:10.02 | leejongwook | [Q] screen saver for virtual terminal ? |
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| 21:10.20 | Absolute0 | anyways i can make debian stable load sata optical drives? |
| 21:10.28 | titan8990 | that should be intel ICH.. |
| 21:10.29 | greycat | Absolute0: it depends on which SATA controller it is. |
| 21:10.30 | Absolute0 | it tries to modprobe cdrom but that fails to help |
| 21:10.36 | greycat | !tell Absolute0 about kmuto |
| 21:10.39 | poisonbit | leejongwook, cmatrix |
| 21:10.47 | leejongwook | poisonbit: thanks :) |
| 21:11.18 | poisonbit | leejongwook, see manpage for screensaver usage, also there is vlock, not "screensaver" but black screen protected by passwd |
| 21:11.25 | poisonbit | vlock -a |
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| 21:11.38 | nvz | yeah a webserver I setup that has lenny on it, running sshd & apache2, uses about 96MB rougly even with like a 1.0 load avg |
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| 21:12.19 | Fantom__ | titan8990: i think, i need to upgrade kernel-package? |
| 21:12.20 | wish^ | is there someone here who are good with debian that could walk me through and uninstall and install in pm? |
| 21:12.26 | Fantom__ | from where can i upgrade kernel-package? |
| 21:12.32 | leejongwook | poisonbit: thanks :) |
| 21:12.40 | titan8990 | Fantom__: use pastebin, not PM |
| 21:12.55 | poisonbit | np leejongwook |
| 21:12.58 | llutz | Lenny with sshd +znc only = 19M (load <0.2) |
| 21:13.00 | titan8990 | Fantom__: where did you get those sources? |
| 21:13.05 | nvz | wish^: first off, we're all good with debian, 2nd what the hell are you talking about? |
| 21:13.17 | Fantom__ | titan8990: ok sry, http://pastebin.com/AeVt8vGK |
| 21:13.23 | wish^ | i need to uninstall rtorrent/rutorrent.. and install deluge |
| 21:13.32 | wish^ | but i dont wanna fuck something up |
| 21:13.34 | RayzrShrp | anybody know why i keep getting errors when running apt-get update |
| 21:13.35 | alfatau | titan8990: well, how to get the list of selection from aptitude, for setting with dpkg --set-selections? |
| 21:13.40 | RayzrShrp | it says duplicate |
| 21:13.55 | RayzrShrp | duplicate sources.list entry |
| 21:13.56 | greycat | wish^: apt-get install rtorrent |
| 21:13.56 | leejongwook | poisonbit: @_@ this is really cool.(cmatrix) |
| 21:13.57 | llutz | RayzrShrp: check your sources.list for dupes |
| 21:13.59 | Fantom__ | !tell Fantomo kernel-package |
| 21:14.04 | Fantom__ | !tell Fantom kernel-package |
| 21:14.09 | greycat | oh, UNinstall... |
| 21:14.11 | wish^ | greycat i need to get rid of rtorrent and the webui |
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| 21:14.14 | RayzrShrp | well here is the qustion |
| 21:14.21 | wish^ | and i need to install and configure deluge 1.2.1 |
| 21:14.22 | llutz | RayzrShrp: /etc/apt |
| 21:14.24 | greycat | wish^: apt-get remove rtorrent |
| 21:14.25 | RayzrShrp | i have the reg dist and also non-free |
| 21:14.31 | titan8990 | Fantom__: the error points to a mismatch in the sources for the kernel, did you patch yourself? |
| 21:14.34 | RayzrShrp | should i only have one or the other or do i need both |
| 21:14.41 | Fantom__ | titan8990 no |
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| 21:15.03 | poisonbit | leejongwook, and full of options (colors, chars, etc) :) see man cmatrix |
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| 21:15.37 | RayzrShrp | is there somewhere i can paste my /etc/apt/sources.list for someone to look at |
| 21:15.42 | alfatau | well, i found aptitude can exactly be used as apt-get: aptitude -d install. thank you very much for your attention |
| 21:15.50 | leejongwook | poisonbit: thanks again ~ good night :) |
| 21:15.59 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, paste.debian.net |
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| 21:16.14 | RayzrShrp | Posterdati: is that a website? |
| 21:16.42 | nvz | wish^: what distro are you running? |
| 21:16.54 | nvz | wish^: well what branch anyhow |
| 21:16.57 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, yes http:// |
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| 21:17.09 | wish^ | lenny |
| 21:17.27 | nvz | wish^: you're sure you absolutely need deluge 1.2.1? |
| 21:17.36 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, if you haven't a browser, see aptitude show pastebinit |
| 21:17.41 | Absolute0 | titan8990, lspci output from vmware: http://pastie.org/pastes/850597 |
| 21:17.42 | wish^ | i dont need it, i want it! :D |
| 21:17.45 | Absolute0 | not sure if that will help |
| 21:17.54 | RayzrShrp | poisonbit: ok i pasted it up there |
| 21:18.01 | nvz | wish^: well its not in lenny, lenny-backports, or even squeeze |
| 21:18.05 | RayzrShrp | http://paste.debian.net/62150/ |
| 21:18.11 | nvz | wish^: you would have to perform a sid backport |
| 21:18.29 | titan8990 | Absolute0: thats -nn not -nm, and no, that would show the hardware virtualized by vmware, not the real hardware |
| 21:19.00 | wish^ | i can untar it? |
| 21:19.14 | titan8990 | Absolute0: but intel ICH should pretty straight forward. check your BIOS and make sure sata is not in RAID mode or something like that |
| 21:19.22 | Absolute0 | titan8990, http://pastie.org/pastes/850603 |
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| 21:19.39 | tinflu | anyone familiar with dlink-wga-110 wireless adapter ? |
| 21:19.44 | titan8990 | Absolute0: yeah, thats not your real hardware |
| 21:19.44 | Absolute0 | titan8990, so what should i do to make the installer work? |
| 21:19.59 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, try this instead: http://paste.debian.net/62151/ then apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 21:20.19 | titan8990 | Absolute0: it sata is in RAID or ACHI mode, try switching it to IDE |
| 21:20.35 | titan8990 | Absolute0: from your BIOS that is |
| 21:20.48 | Absolute0 | bios can fake it as IDE? |
| 21:20.57 | Absolute0 | would that affect the speed of the drive? |
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| 21:21.05 | Absolute0 | i think its already set to that.. |
| 21:21.12 | Absolute0 | last time i looked at the bios... |
| 21:21.22 | Absolute0 | wont hurt to double check |
| 21:21.27 | nvz | wish^: its in sid, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:21.41 | nvz | wish^: instructions for a simple sid backport |
| 21:21.41 | RayzrShrp | poisonbit: that worked |
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| 21:21.54 | RayzrShrp | poisonbit: what im wondering is why are the deb-src lines commented out |
| 21:21.54 | nvz | wish^: or be happy with the 0.5.x in lenny |
| 21:22.11 | wish^ | problem is 0.5.x is blacklisted on alot of trackers |
| 21:22.26 | stockholm | how can i lock down an account to be able to only run a subset of commands, but among those some that need root permissions? |
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| 21:22.46 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, because it seems that you are not to develop .deb packages from sources at this stage of your knowledge |
| 21:22.52 | greycat | stockholm: give them a menu instead of a shell. |
| 21:23.04 | RayzrShrp | poisonbit: you are totally right |
| 21:23.10 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, -src repos are the sources to build the .deeb packages |
| 21:23.11 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 21:23.13 | greycat | (write the menu in any programming language you want, including shell script. then make that program their shell.) |
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| 21:23.28 | nvz | wish^: oh, $DIETY forbit you can't get your pr0n and warez |
| 21:23.40 | stockholm | greycat: sounds involved. |
| 21:23.49 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, do you understand the error?, you had more than one time the "main" definition |
| 21:23.53 | stockholm | greycat: are there templates for this? |
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| 21:24.19 | wish^ | nvz: well, its not really about that |
| 21:24.32 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, also if you like to keep it to 80 columns, you can use this format: http://paste.debian.net/62152/plain/62152 |
| 21:24.35 | titan8990 | greycat: *gasp* you can't tell people that they have to something for themselves |
| 21:24.40 | wish^ | its just some of the trackers i use have banned the earlier versions |
| 21:25.09 | greycat | lenny's version of rtorrent doesn't have DHT support, which sucks. that's why I backported the sid version. |
| 21:25.18 | wish^ | DHT is a plague anyway |
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| 21:26.07 | nvz | wish^: I've never seen anything that wasn't illegal coming off those things. Stuff like debian ISO torrents and shit you can get with any torrent program |
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| 21:26.14 | RayzrShrp | poisonbit: very helpful thank you |
| 21:26.42 | wish^ | nvz: well, i think thats beside the point? |
| 21:26.51 | poisonbit | you're welcome RayzrShrp |
| 21:27.22 | RayzrShrp | sudo was upgraded today i see :) |
| 21:27.30 | RayzrShrp | now that my updates work correctly |
| 21:28.16 | nvz | I use transmission that came installed on my system already and it works fine |
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| 21:28.19 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 21:28.30 | greycat | oh, how fun |
| 21:28.43 | hyperutz | can i set quota limit on a directory owned by user x , for example /media/mp3 (owned by user x) ? |
| 21:28.46 | DukeDrake | I need some help to understand this file permission stuff ... |
| 21:28.51 | greycat | !permissions |
| 21:28.52 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 21:29.01 | DukeDrake | (I know the basics) |
| 21:29.08 | wish^ | nvz: im sure transmission is decent.. but it doesnt have a webui |
| 21:29.09 | DukeDrake | I simply don'T understnad this oddness: |
| 21:29.11 | greycat | what don't you know, then? |
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| 21:29.35 | nvz | HAH! |
| 21:29.38 | DukeDrake | I set file permissions for a file to 666 (read and write to all) and still may not unlink it via php |
| 21:29.43 | DukeDrake | how come? |
| 21:29.45 | RayzrShrp | is not looking forward to swapping a 7609 chassis tonight |
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| 21:29.52 | nvz | everyone knows web interfaces are so f'n cool.. |
| 21:30.08 | greycat | Removing a file from a directory requires write permission on the *directory*. Not the file. |
| 21:30.13 | poisonbit | DukeDrake, enable php error log and see |
| 21:30.23 | DukeDrake | it's about files in /tmp/ |
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| 21:30.28 | wish^ | nvz: if you dont have anything useful to say, why say anything at all |
| 21:30.31 | wish^ | moron |
| 21:30.34 | greycat | /tmp has the sticky bit. |
| 21:30.43 | greycat | you can't remove other people's files. |
| 21:30.49 | poisonbit | aaaa that is |
| 21:30.55 | RayzrShrp | is there a program that will let me view a picture via a terminal window? |
| 21:30.56 | DukeDrake | yeah, I noticed that 't' |
| 21:31.00 | DukeDrake | meh o.o |
| 21:31.01 | greycat | You don't actually know the basics. Please read the links dpkg supplied. |
| 21:31.12 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, fbi |
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| 21:31.15 | amphi | RayzrShrp: zgv |
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| 21:31.42 | RayzrShrp | does it show it in ascii or does it download it into memory and launch a local viewer |
| 21:31.50 | DukeDrake | ok, but this applies only to directories with the sticky bit? |
| 21:32.04 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, you will need framebuffer enabled usually (vga=Number at boot, in example vga=792 for 1024x768) |
| 21:32.15 | amphi | RayzrShrp: zgv is svgalib to display images if I recall correctly |
| 21:32.18 | nvz | wish^: oh and asking people to "PM" you to install stuff not in debian, so you can download illegal content is useful? You're on you way to getting a LOT of help around here |
| 21:32.37 | wish^ | who said anything about illegal stuff? |
| 21:32.45 | RayzrShrp | like for instance im at work on a vista machine ssh'd into my debian box at home using putty |
| 21:32.46 | nvz | deluge is gtk anyways from what it says |
| 21:32.52 | titan8990 | nvz: torrents is not only for illegal file sharing |
| 21:32.59 | wish^ | im simply asking for some help to install something in debian |
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| 21:33.15 | nvz | titan8990: they are when you need to install something other than the 30 clients in debian cause you're complaining they are banned from trackers. |
| 21:33.18 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, in that case just use winscp |
| 21:33.27 | poisonbit | it works over ssh |
| 21:33.35 | poisonbit | and you see your files as in explorer... |
| 21:33.41 | titan8990 | nvz: alright, i accept that |
| 21:33.49 | RayzrShrp | poisonbit: yeah i could do that was just wondering if it was possible to just view it inside of putty |
| 21:34.01 | poisonbit | putty is not a frame buffer device :) |
| 21:34.07 | wish^ | nvz: and saying you know that is basically saying you do the same |
| 21:34.08 | RayzrShrp | yep gotcha |
| 21:34.14 | wish^ | so no need to be a smartass |
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| 21:35.02 | nvz | wish^: yeah, with transmission which is installed in a desktop install by default, and its on-topic here, and I didn't come in here asking for help installing it then insult the only person who told me how to do it. |
| 21:35.33 | Bastihase | hi guys i search vServer software openvz is not good i can`t use swap space on the virtual boxes with what vserver software i can use swap on vserver boxes?? |
| 21:35.48 | wish^ | i just wonder if its wrong to install something that isnt in the repo |
| 21:35.50 | nvz | as a matter of fact, I downloaded me some pr0n with it this morning. |
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| 21:35.58 | wish^ | can i not install what i want on my box? |
| 21:36.02 | greycat | wish^: if you install in /usr/local or /opt it's OK |
| 21:36.14 | greycat | (or in your home directory, but that's not something I normally do) |
| 21:36.48 | poisonbit | some makefiles install files to /etc using --prefix=/usr/local or opt, but according to man 7 hier, yes |
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| 21:37.48 | Bastihase | hi guys i search vServer software openvz is not good i can`t use swap space on the virtual boxes with what vserver software i can use swap on vserver boxes?? |
| 21:38.22 | poisonbit | KVM ? |
| 21:38.25 | titan8990 | Bastihase: openvz guests can't use swap? |
| 21:38.50 | Bastihase | i can`t use my swpa space for the boxes |
| 21:39.28 | roe | can anyone explain to me what is keeping icedove-3.0 in experimental? |
| 21:39.35 | titan8990 | Bastihase: but isn't it basically a chroot with quota support? won't it make use of the host's swap if needed? |
| 21:41.31 | Bastihase | on openvz can not use a swap, and yes I want a program with which one can use the swap even if the VDS is to test purposes the server is at my home |
| 21:41.53 | Bastihase | xen? |
| 21:41.58 | poisonbit | roe, http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/icedove.html ? |
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| 21:43.15 | nocturnus | can someone help me set left margin in cups? -o page-left=72 doesn't work for single-pager (works with number-up=2, though) |
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| 21:43.46 | titan8990 | Bastihase: well, that basically leaves you with vmware, xen, kvm, and virtualbox. I would pick one and ask their channel |
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| 21:48.46 | babilen | Bastihase: You might want to read: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/26920f16957041d2/6448e77afb74faa3?lnk=raot and /msg dpkg {xen,vmware,kvm,virtualbox} |
| 21:49.05 | cafuego | I use xen and many of my VMs swap like mad |
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| 21:50.35 | poisonbit | swap is slow, swap is you need maintenance/optimization on your system or more ram |
| 21:50.52 | poisonbit | making the cpu work at harddisk velocity.... |
| 21:51.26 | Kobaz | all hail the rams |
| 21:51.36 | titan8990 | poisonbit: yeah but if hes messing with it to learn, slowness can be tolerable as long as it works |
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| 21:52.23 | tisepti | im making a series of debian packages that are dependent on different libraries (c depends on b depends on a - and now im making c2, b2, and a2). If i want to install b2 that [should] result in the removal of a, b and c and the installing of b2 and a2. However im unsure how to tell gdebi (or dpkg if need be) to remove anything [recursively] for which the dependencies are removed |
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| 21:53.02 | greycat | does b2 conflict with b? |
| 21:53.11 | poisonbit | well, a task of microseconds running in 120 seconds (as load a web page from httpd) can be tolerable, or can not be tolerable, depends on SLA :) |
| 21:53.32 | tisepti | im specifying it as so; b2 replaces b |
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| 21:54.03 | Draggin | Evenin :) I seem to be having a bit of trouble figuring out how to upgrade my Debian Etch installation to Lenny... Any advice or links or tips? |
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| 21:54.05 | greycat | if b2 conflicts with b, then installing b2 should remove b and c. but not a. |
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| 21:54.21 | greycat | unless a2 also conflicts with a |
| 21:54.30 | poisonbit | Draggin, first of all, lenny release notes (i.e. sections about upgrade) |
| 21:54.47 | tisepti | right every '2' conflicts with the 'regular' version |
| 21:54.50 | titan8990 | !tell Draggin about etch->lenny |
| 21:55.00 | tisepti | conflicts & replaces |
| 21:55.27 | poisonbit | Draggin, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes |
| 21:55.59 | Draggin | poisonbit - thanks, let me go check that out first |
| 21:56.11 | tisepti | so trying to install b2 would require a2 to be installed. a2 conflicts & replaces a. removing a removes b (and thus c's) dependencies. so a b and c should be removed. a2 and b2 should be installed. |
| 21:56.19 | poisonbit | Draggin, chapter 4 of release notes is full of tips about upgrading |
| 21:56.29 | tisepti | c2 could then be optionally installed at some later point on the b2 dependency |
| 21:58.13 | tisepti | or at least thats what should happen. Im not sure of the package generation tags or gdebi / gpkg install command |
| 21:58.51 | tisepti | at worst i could presumably do it with preinst scripts to remove a, b and c (if installed) in the a2 b2 and c2 packages - but id really rather not if i can avoid it |
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| 22:08.30 | hyperutz | is there a posibile way to set quota on a certain dir for example: /media/mp3 ? |
| 22:08.34 | hyperutz | anyone who can help ? |
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| 22:11.58 | Argafal | hyperutz: i think you'd have to use a virtual filesystem if /media/mp3 is just one directory within a filesystem. |
| 22:12.49 | Argafal | you can dd from /dev/zero to a file and loopback mount it as /media/mp3. then you can adjust quota for this FS. |
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| 22:14.08 | Argafal | hyperutz: a quick search for "quota directory" brought me to this page which basically agrees with what I said ( which doesn't mean i'm right, but i'd be eager to hear a better solution!) it also gives examples on how to do things and resizes the virtual FS later. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/directory-quota-601140/ |
| 22:14.19 | Draggin | Okay - last question concerning upgrading - I get what the instructions say about changes sources.list and all that, but I've been having one funny little thing. When I run apt-get dist-upgrade it tells me that the kernel I'm trying to install is the same as the one I already have... Would it be safe to change the sources.list and upgrade in this case? Everything else seems to be up-to-date...? |
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| 22:17.02 | hyperutz | yes but i have user X for example, which has quota limits on /home/x . BUT user x also is the owner of /media/mp3 which is on the same partion enabled with quota. So this means that the limit set (with "edquota x") will envolve all dirs owned by x on that partion or only the default /home/x ? |
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| 22:17.35 | cusco | hi |
| 22:17.54 | cusco | im having troubles with fojts... I guess |
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| 22:18.09 | Argafal | hyperutz: i'm not sure i follow the example. but quotas in linux apply to FILESYSTEMS. so if /media/mp3 and /home/x are within the same filesystem the quote for the user applies to the whole filesystem and hence to both directories. |
| 22:18.11 | cusco | in gnome-terminal I cannot see russian characters |
| 22:18.14 | cusco | where before I could |
| 22:18.23 | cusco | nor iceweasel... |
| 22:18.34 | DukeDrake | ^j, |
| 22:18.35 | DukeDrake | hm |
| 22:18.41 | Argafal | hyperutz: btw "which has quota limits on /home/x" isn't possible, if /home/x is not the filesystem (mount point). |
| 22:18.42 | nocturnus | i can't set a left margin with 'lp -o page-left=72' , can someone help me debug this? |
| 22:18.57 | DukeDrake | with file permissions set to 666 I can allow everyone to delete my file |
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| 22:19.13 | DukeDrake | is ot possible to allow everyone to obtain ownership of my file? |
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| 22:19.22 | hyperutz | so the quota limits apply to all dirs owned by the limmited user on that partition |
| 22:19.22 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: no, only root can change ownership |
| 22:19.28 | DukeDrake | awww -.- |
| 22:19.33 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: and permissions of 666 doesn't allow others to delete the file |
| 22:19.41 | DukeDrake | yes it does o.o |
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| 22:19.49 | Argafal | hyperutz: no. the quota applies to all FILES (also in directories owned by someone else) within this filesystem. |
| 22:19.49 | RayzrShrp | anybody shed some light on how to make this stop spamming my samba logs? http://paste.debian.net/62164/ |
| 22:19.49 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: to truncate, yes, but to delete they'd have to have write permission on the containing directory |
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| 22:20.43 | Draggin | Thanks everyone! Later! |
| 22:20.48 | hyperutz | so if i want to creata quota limit on a certai dir i have to create a virtual partition (with quota enabled) and point it to that dir |
| 22:20.49 | DukeDrake | \amethyst: oh, yeah. you'r right |
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| 22:21.23 | hyperutz | and then apply limits on that virtual partition |
| 22:21.24 | harovali | hi , i'm getting this "sys/types.h: No such file or directory" when compiling a C program ; I think something is missing, such as a headers library package or something. Can you help me please as of what package might I have missed ? (this is a chroot etch installation made up with debootstrap) |
| 22:21.25 | Argafal | hyperutz: if i understand you correctly, yes. here is a summary of the commands, if you want to try: http://www.schmut.com/cheat-sheets/linux-directory-quota2 |
| 22:21.31 | DukeDrake | my problem currently is, that I can move a file from one dir to another one with php, but it looses file permissions on the way |
| 22:21.47 | babilen | harovali: try 'apt-file search <pattern>' |
| 22:21.48 | Argafal | hyperutz: not sure what you mean by "with quota enabled |
| 22:21.49 | DukeDrake | file perms change from 644 to 600 |
| 22:21.52 | \amethyst | harovali: libc6-dev |
| 22:22.07 | hyperutz | like, put usrquota in /etc/fstab :) |
| 22:22.07 | PyroPhelia | I have storage on 2 different nodes with massive space. How do I combine them to form a single networked filesystem? |
| 22:22.46 | poisonbit | PyroPhelia, AoE + mdadm ? |
| 22:22.59 | poisonbit | Ata Over Ethernet + software raid 0 |
| 22:23.13 | RayzrShrp | do i need vim-full for syntax highlighting to work? |
| 22:23.23 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: you need some vim other than vim-tiny |
| 22:23.31 | RayzrShrp | i just did apt-get install vim |
| 22:23.31 | hyperutz | thanks, Argafal |
| 22:23.33 | poisonbit | RayzrShrp, in lenny it's just "vim" |
| 22:23.49 | Argafal | hyperutz: so you can create a virtual filesystem (which is only a file that contains a filesystem), mount it with the option for usrquota and using loopback, configure your quota. afterwards you end up with a directory where the userquota applies. caveat: this directory has a fixed maximum size then. |
| 22:23.55 | RayzrShrp | hmmm i installed just vim but when i try to do :syntax on it says not supported in this version |
| 22:24.05 | Argafal | hyperutz: NOT due to the quota but due to it being a virtual filesystem of a certain size. |
| 22:24.11 | harovali | \amethyst: thank you babilen: thank you too |
| 22:24.22 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: update-alternatives --config vim |
| 22:24.36 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: (as root)... make sure vim.tiny isn't the one selected |
| 22:24.38 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: that need to be run as root? |
| 22:24.39 | PyroPhelia | poisonbit, what is the differnece between AOE and Hadoop? I've been reading I can abou hadoop but I really can't wrap my brain around it. |
| 22:24.43 | RayzrShrp | ok thanks |
| 22:24.50 | Argafal | hyperutz: you welcome. try the cheat-sheet i gave you and see if you need further help/information/ideas. |
| 22:25.03 | RayzrShrp | (/usr/bin/vim.tiny). Nothing to configure. |
| 22:25.06 | poisonbit | PyroPhelia, I don't know Hadoop... sorry |
| 22:25.12 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: what version of Debian is this? |
| 22:25.14 | RayzrShrp | hmmm so looks like apt-get install vim on lenny installs vim tiny |
| 22:25.37 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: no, that should not be the case |
| 22:25.52 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: well that's how i installed it |
| 22:25.56 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: the 'vim' package provides vim.basic |
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| 22:26.08 | \amethyst | which should be listed as an available alternative |
| 22:26.15 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: do you have /usr/bin/vim.basic ? |
| 22:26.18 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: vim wasnt installed so i did apt-get install vim |
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| 22:26.28 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: did you do that as root? |
| 22:26.35 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: nope |
| 22:26.39 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: then it failed |
| 22:26.40 | RayzrShrp | vim vimdiff vim.tiny |
| 22:26.44 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: only root can install packages |
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| 22:27.13 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: hmmm ok ill try uninstalling it with a --purge and reinstalling it as root |
| 22:27.32 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: you don't need to --purge it... it's not installed |
| 22:27.43 | PyroPhelia | how did you install something not as root? |
| 22:27.46 | PyroPhelia | o.O? |
| 22:27.48 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: vim is |
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| 22:27.53 | harovali | when linking , I'm getting "undefined reference to `__ctype_b'" errors , which aparently have to do with a bad glibc version. How can I use another glibc version inside the chroot ? |
| 22:27.54 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: i did install it as root |
| 22:27.56 | \amethyst | oh |
| 22:28.01 | RayzrShrp | i did sudo apt-get install vim |
| 22:28.08 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: can you pastebin the output of dpkg -L vim ? |
| 22:28.16 | RayzrShrp | yep hang on |
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| 22:28.45 | RayzrShrp | http://paste.debian.net/62165/ |
| 22:29.07 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: hmmm the un infront means uninstalled doesn't it |
| 22:29.09 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: it's not installed |
| 22:29.16 | RayzrShrp | <--- Rtard |
| 22:29.17 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: the 'n' does, yes |
| 22:29.36 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: so sudo apt-get install vim should install it then |
| 22:29.39 | \amethyst | yes |
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| 22:30.08 | \amethyst | assuming sudo is set up properly |
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| 22:30.13 | Pwalpubien | check out my new video |
| 22:30.14 | Pwalpubien | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoK7zGjt7g |
| 22:30.34 | babilen | Pwalpubien: don't do that please |
| 22:30.39 | adb | !ops Pwalpubien new video |
| 22:30.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: Pwalpubien new video |
| 22:30.53 | dobie_gillis | i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to testing and i'm getting tons of issues with udev and xorg. currently i have about 600 pkgs needing to be upgraded but `aptitude *-upgrade`'s aren't getting me anywhere and X is broken. any hints? |
| 22:30.57 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: yep that worked |
| 22:31.19 | RayzrShrp | sweet syntax on and set background=dark and i'm in business |
| 22:31.27 | babilen | finally :) |
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| 22:32.01 | harovali | is it possible to downgrade glibc ? |
| 22:32.22 | RayzrShrp | hey \amethyst did you see the logs from my samba i posted? |
| 22:32.38 | RayzrShrp | \amethyst: http://paste.debian.net/62164 |
| 22:32.56 | RayzrShrp | how do i make this go away? I have a windows 7 machine and my debian machine |
| 22:32.59 | \amethyst | RayzrShrp: no clue, try #samba |
| 22:33.04 | RayzrShrp | cool thanks |
| 22:33.06 | babilen | harovali: everything is possible, but why? |
| 22:33.11 | RayzrShrp | didnt know there was a samba channel |
| 22:34.25 | harovali | babilen: a closed binary compiler I use references old glibc names |
| 22:34.26 | \amethyst | harovali: one problem is that, when downloading, dpkg/apt doesn't even attempt to ensure that dependencies are still satisfied... so other packages that depend on the newer glibc might be broken without you knowing it |
| 22:35.05 | harovali | \amethyst: I would run the risk , since I'm in a chroot |
| 22:35.09 | \amethyst | how old? I thought glibc provided versioned symbols to retain compatibility with older versions |
| 22:35.13 | babilen | harovali: The easiest way would be to install a suitable chroot. I would *not* mess with the system's lib! |
| 22:35.22 | \amethyst | or are these internal symbols |
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| 22:36.03 | \amethyst | harovali: you might be better off extracting the older libc package by hand, putting the .so in a different directory, and running the program with LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 22:36.05 | harovali | babilen: I debootstrap'd etch . Do you think I can debootstrap an older debian ? |
| 22:36.26 | harovali | \amethyst: that could be interesting ! |
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| 22:36.59 | babilen | Haven't tried anything older than etch. Can't you get hold of the source/vendor somehow and kindly ask them to provide a suitable binary/compile it yourself? |
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| 22:37.20 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: First step is probably to determine which glibc you need. |
| 22:37.42 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: 2.0 will do |
| 22:37.46 | SnakDoc | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny Release.gpg Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 22:37.51 | SnakDoc | any reason for that |
| 22:38.15 | jhutchins_lt | SnakDoc: "Could not resolve". |
| 22:38.16 | RayzrShrp | can you ping that address from the command line |
| 22:38.16 | streuner_ | a DNS issue? |
| 22:38.24 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: an incorrect DNS server, or a broken one? |
| 22:38.31 | SnakDoc | i was able to run dig on server and it resolved |
| 22:38.36 | jhutchins_lt | SnakDoc: Can you get an IP with host or dig? |
| 22:39.10 | SnakDoc | PING ftp.us.debian.org (149.20.20.135) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 22:39.10 | SnakDoc | 64 bytes from mirrors1.kernel.org (149.20.20.135): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=164 ms |
| 22:39.10 | SnakDoc | ^C |
| 22:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | SnakDoc: Once you've done that it should work fine. I had a recalcitrant DNS server doing that to me yesterday (totally different address). |
| 22:39.40 | SnakDoc | jhutchins_lt: still same thing |
| 22:39.42 | \amethyst | perhaps the DNS server is being intermittently flaky? |
| 22:39.48 | SnakDoc | i got several servers doing this |
| 22:39.53 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: does getent hosts ftp.us.debian.org work? |
| 22:40.06 | SnakDoc | this 2 days in a row now |
| 22:40.21 | SnakDoc | i will change dns to test and see what i get |
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| 22:42.02 | SnakDoc | anyway apt-get is broken ? |
| 22:42.31 | SnakDoc | http://pastebin.com/DKiqCARk |
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| 22:43.26 | adb | SnakDoc, net issues ? |
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| 22:45.06 | kassah | Is there a way to select a Xen hypervisor kernel generically.. rather than a specific version? |
| 22:45.15 | luke123 | is there no acroread in squeeze anymore? |
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| 22:46.11 | SnakDoc | adb was able to ping and browse to ftp server any other ideas |
| 22:46.23 | streuner_ | luke123: never |
| 22:46.31 | streuner_ | luke123: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 22:47.55 | adb | SnakDoc, try again ... 'Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'' that's a network issue |
| 22:48.04 | luke123 | streuner_, thanks |
| 22:48.21 | SnakDoc | adb i am able to ping and dig and get addresses for server |
| 22:48.40 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: so apt-get is the only program that has problems? |
| 22:48.47 | adb | and aptitude is recommended |
| 22:49.27 | SnakDoc | aptitude is also broken |
| 22:49.37 | SnakDoc | but all other traffic is passing |
| 22:49.37 | \amethyst | does wget work? |
| 22:50.16 | SnakDoc | hmm no its not |
| 22:50.46 | \amethyst | hm... could it be an ipv6 vs ipv4 issue I wonder |
| 22:50.59 | adb | on lenny ? |
| 22:51.02 | SnakDoc | not a clue |
| 22:51.06 | SnakDoc | yes lenny |
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| 22:51.44 | adb | no, my question was for \amethyst .. |
| 22:52.18 | \amethyst | adb: Well, since SnakDoc is using lenny, yes, I am wondering if the problem could be an ipv6 vs ipv4 issue on Lenny |
| 22:52.55 | adb | never seen/heard that on Lenny |
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| 22:53.22 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: I didn't see your answer earlier... does getent hosts ftp.us.debian.org report any addresses? |
| 22:53.46 | adb | but, sure, i may be wrong |
| 22:54.40 | SnakDoc | \amethyst: 64.50.236.52 ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 22:54.58 | SnakDoc | looking at iptables now to see if issue is there |
| 22:55.04 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: hm... |
| 22:55.29 | adb | .. |
| 22:55.30 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: so the resolver can look up the address fine, unless a program is doing the resolving |
| 22:55.48 | SnakDoc | \amethyst: seems that way |
| 22:55.50 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: you don't have the HTTP_PROXY (or http_proxy) environment variable set, do you? |
| 22:56.42 | SnakDoc | echo $HTTP_PROXY is empty |
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| 22:57.10 | \amethyst | SnakDoc: likewise the all-lowercase version? |
| 22:57.10 | cheako | Hello, I'm looking at building a kernel for my laptop. I have a fast machine to do the build on and I'd like to produce a deb. |
| 22:57.49 | SnakDoc | upper and lower case is empty /amethyst |
| 22:57.52 | babilen | !tell cheako -about compile kernel |
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| 22:58.11 | \amethyst | err, I thought make-kpkg was no longer the Debian way |
| 22:59.23 | babilen | \amethyst: what *is* the debian way these days? |
| 22:59.43 | \amethyst | babilen: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 23:00.22 | cheako | I'm surprised it's not called linux-package. |
| 23:00.44 | babilen | \amethyst: alright - i'll keep that in mind. Not that i'll need it anytime soon .. |
| 23:00.48 | Number5 | hello guys, I installed compiz according to debian-wiki using aptitude. But when execute "compiz --replace" it comes with the message that there is no metacity. By the way I use xfce4, so no KDE or GNOME. |
| 23:00.52 | babilen | cheako: ^^^^ check \amethyst's link |
| 23:00.57 | Number5 | should I install metacity too? |
| 23:01.58 | \amethyst | Number5: metacity is the GNOME window manager... perhaps compiz assumes you're using that instead of xfwm4 |
| 23:02.12 | cheako | babilen: Yes, the readme here is from 2003. I'm sure since then something must have changed. |
| 23:02.27 | cheako | some one !tell dpkg. |
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| 23:02.41 | Number5 | \amethyst, how can I solve that? |
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| 23:03.28 | cheako | Hmm, opps still not what I'm looking for. |
| 23:03.32 | \amethyst | Number5: somehow tell your xfce session to start compiz instead of xfwm4... not sure how to do that, though, as I have no xfce (or compiz) experience |
| 23:03.55 | cheako | The kernel is from kernel.org snapshot:2.6.33-git72010-03-02 |
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| 23:04.58 | cheako | I need support for my new Magic Mouse. |
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| 23:04.58 | Number5 | \amethyst, thnx for your help. But what is metacity or xfwm4? |
| 23:04.59 | \amethyst | Number5: window managers... metacity is the GNOME window manager, xfwm4 is the xfce4 one |
| 23:05.39 | jhutchins_lt | I would be pretty surprized if xfce4 was meant to use with a "3D" window manager. |
| 23:06.08 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: Why are you trying to combine those particular components? |
| 23:06.24 | \amethyst | Number5: hm, this might be relevant: http://inspirated.com/2009/10/17/howto-integrate-compiz-fusion-with-xfce-the-right-way |
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| 23:06.34 | cheako | Would I still need a debianized kernel for some non-standared initrd feature? I remember needing the cramfs patch a long time ago. |
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| 23:08.00 | lembas | people say you should use aptitute because it tags packages manually or automatically. but apt does the same isnt it? |
| 23:09.01 | Number5 | jhutchins, I just want to use compiz with xfce4 and not the heavey KDE or GNOME, that's all. |
| 23:09.04 | lembas | i always thought the apt-get autoremove function does exactly that.. |
| 23:09.15 | lembas | what is the difference? |
| 23:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: What's the point in a giant, bloated, 3D window manager with a minimal stripped down desktop? Doesn't make sense. |
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| 23:10.24 | zleap | jhutchins_lt, we are trying to be like microsoft |
| 23:10.34 | \amethyst | lembas: apt-get added that feature comparatively recently |
| 23:10.36 | jhutchins_lt | lembas: aptitude is a bit better at tracking and resolving dependencies. |
| 23:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | lembas: apt-get is fine, aptitude is just a bit better. |
| 23:11.01 | zleap | i see your point though, compiz is nice but i don't really use it, super-e is useful for loads of desktops though |
| 23:11.20 | \amethyst | OTOH, aptitude's dependency resolver is so good, it can spend forever trying to resolve dependencies, where apt would just give up quickly :) |
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| 23:11.50 | Number5 | jhutchins, what do you mean, is Compiz only working with KDE or GNOME? In that case I won't use Compiz. |
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| 23:11.53 | lembas | :D does aptitude really use different algorithms or something? |
| 23:12.01 | babilen | yes |
| 23:12.01 | \amethyst | yes |
| 23:12.02 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: I literally have to leave the room when I'm booting Windows, only to forget that I'll have to leave again after I log in, lest I try to actually do something while all the viruses load. |
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| 23:12.40 | zleap | lol |
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| 23:12.52 | harovali | we found an old woody chroot which solved our old glibc availability issue. Thanks you all who helped us ! |
| 23:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: I would use something like xfwm4 instead. |
| 23:12.54 | lembas | hm but solved every problem i ever had... |
| 23:12.54 | zleap | hey it loads services after you log in, where as linux loads em before ytou log in |
| 23:12.59 | lembas | ok thanks :) |
| 23:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: Yay! |
| 23:13.12 | lembas | apt solved everything |
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| 23:13.49 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: it would be fun however to solve the issu without a chroot , just by changing the environment variables which refer to glibc |
| 23:13.52 | benjamindees | !beer apt |
| 23:13.52 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for apt |
| 23:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: It's just so frustrating to be presented with the workspace but unable to do anything, and it definitely takes longer than KDE to start up. |
| 23:14.32 | zleap | is this on the same computer |
| 23:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: Definitely. |
| 23:14.42 | zleap | so you dual boot windows with linux/kde |
| 23:14.53 | zleap | i stopped using windows xmas 2008 not looked back |
| 23:14.55 | \amethyst | harovali: try e.g. LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/to/chroot/lib:/path/to/chroot/usr/lib theprogram |
| 23:15.06 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: Or even an older linux comp. vs. a newer XP comp. |
| 23:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: I had to do some work on the Law Office XP boxes this week - maddening. Lots of reboots of course. |
| 23:15.38 | zleap | at least if kde or gnome are slow, you can use a different window manager like xfce and stil use gnome ./ kde apps |
| 23:16.02 | zleap | yeah, i find that with windows, you think where is multi desktops, where is this |
| 23:16.05 | \amethyst | it's usually the apps that are slow :) |
| 23:16.08 | zleap | where is alt f2 |
| 23:16.16 | Number5 | jhutchins, well it's ok with me, but don't know how to configure. I don't understand the whole concept of the graphics, x-server x-client etc... |
| 23:16.27 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: I stopped in about 2004 when I upgraded my hardware (to run X) and Win95 wouldn't recognize the new chipsets. |
| 23:16.34 | \amethyst | zleap: PowerToys provides multiple desktops I hear |
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| 23:16.52 | zleap | i installed tux typing and tux paint on a nursery computer today (running doze), it comes up with a time computers registration number, i just did ctrl-alt-del and ended the process, but xkill is easier |
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| 23:19.54 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce |
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| 23:21.03 | zleap | jhutchins_lt, your right though windows is slow |
| 23:22.02 | adb | super-e ? |
| 23:22.40 | jhutchins_lt | zleap: It's just frustrating the way it teases you with what looks like a desktop ready to go, but is so busy thrashing the drive for all the little services and.... Sigh. This is offtopic. |
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| 23:22.55 | zleap | it sok |
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| 23:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: Sometimes the best answer with Linux is "don't worry about it". If you really need to do something manually, you'll know. |
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| 23:25.07 | Number5 | jhutchins, thnx my friend. I'm now trying to get this cool stuff working :) |
| 23:25.12 | benjamindees | actually xorg is kind of a pita now since you can't change settings manually very easily |
| 23:26.23 | Matic`Makovec | Hello there. While doing dpkg-buildpackage I get an error saying "unknown option: buildsystem". Does anyone have an idea what's it all about? |
| 23:26.58 | themill | Matic`Makovec: sounds like you need a newer debhelper. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:27.08 | Matic`Makovec | Oh, that might be it, lezzsee |
| 23:27.26 | themill | Matic`Makovec: that's a fairly recent dh7 option |
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| 23:27.46 | Matic`Makovec | themill, well I guess aptitude should have the newest possible version, shouldn't it? |
| 23:28.04 | themill | Matic`Makovec: depends what your definition of newest is. |
| 23:28.09 | themill | ,versions debhelper |
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| 23:28.10 | judd | debhelper -- etch: 5.0.42; etch-backports: 7.0.15~bpo40+2; lenny: 7.0.15; lenny-backports: 7.4.11~bpo50+1; sid: 7.4.15; squeeze: 7.4.15 |
| 23:28.27 | Matic`Makovec | Ouh, okay |
| 23:28.38 | Matic`Makovec | I guess x.4. versions behind in that case |
| 23:29.19 | themill | Matic`Makovec: if you're running lenny, wander over to backports.org and follow the instructions. |
| 23:29.31 | zleap | on xorg, i remember a gui set up tool for it from years ago, only saw it once, not sure if it was in redhat or slackware |
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| 23:30.20 | Matic`Makovec | Yesh, playin' with it right now, themill! Thanks! |
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| 23:32.33 | bananadog | I have an opteron server which obviously supports 64bit, but installed debian with the stock kernel...so my system is 32bit . If I were to install the amd64 kernel and reboot, is that all I need to do to have 64 bit system or is there more to it than that? |
| 23:33.19 | alien64 | whats the default de for the debian-504-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 23:33.36 | nevyn | bananadog: yes with a but or no with a however |
| 23:33.41 | Number5 | Hi guys, I made a serious mistake. I installed linux 32 bits instead of 64-bits |
| 23:33.47 | bananadog | thanks reverend nevyn |
| 23:33.49 | nevyn | Number5: re-install |
| 23:34.01 | nevyn | bananadog: it'll get you access to all your memory |
| 23:34.20 | bananadog | right |
| 23:34.22 | Number5 | nevyn, this mean everything will be overwritten? |
| 23:34.22 | nevyn | however. an individual application won't be able to access more than 4gig of ram for it's operations |
| 23:34.33 | nevyn | and the apps won't use extended registers for better speed |
| 23:34.36 | nevyn | Number5: yes |
| 23:34.40 | bananadog | hmm |
| 23:34.44 | bananadog | how do I resolve that? |
| 23:34.49 | nevyn | bananadog: re-install |
| 23:34.56 | Number5 | nevyn, that's what I'm afraid of. |
| 23:35.04 | bananadog | I mean there aren't 64 bit packages for everything are there? |
| 23:35.09 | nevyn | I don't believe there's a upgrade path from 32-> 64bit |
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| 23:35.19 | dondelelcaro | bananadog: there are 64 bit packages for pretty much everything |
| 23:35.25 | nevyn | bananadog: there are for everything that's "in debian" |
| 23:35.39 | bananadog | oh |
| 23:35.45 | Number5 | nevyn, the reinstall man hahaha :) |
| 23:35.50 | alien64 | ne1? |
| 23:35.52 | bananadog | hmm I don't see them in the repo...does one deb have both arches or something? |
| 23:36.00 | nevyn | bananadog: if you're running things that are not part of debian (debian-multimedia, non-free nad contrib) |
| 23:36.11 | bananadog | I'm not nevyn |
| 23:36.26 | bananadog | also I don't recall an option to install 64 bit system on the netinstall iso |
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| 23:36.29 | \amethyst | bananadog: no, they're the .debs for the amd64 arch, as opposed to i386 |
| 23:36.39 | \amethyst | bananadog: you'll need the amd64 netinst |
| 23:36.41 | nevyn | bananadog: you need to install the amd64 arch |
| 23:36.43 | nevyn | different iso |
| 23:36.44 | bananadog | OH |
| 23:36.45 | \amethyst | the i386 is 32-bit only |
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| 23:37.13 | Number5 | ok, does anyone know a good cd/dvd burner to burn iso's? |
| 23:37.35 | \amethyst | Number5: wodim file.iso |
| 23:37.38 | nevyn | Number5: I like k3b.. but if you're burning an iso you could just use cdrecord |
| 23:37.41 | alien64 | Number5: k3b |
| 23:37.42 | nevyn | wodim? |
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| 23:37.57 | k\t | cdrecord |
| 23:38.00 | \amethyst | the version of cdrecord that's in Debian |
| 23:38.04 | bananadog | oh I used the netboot mini.iso which only has 1 version |
| 23:38.05 | \amethyst | cdrecord is just a wrapper |
| 23:38.14 | bananadog | I installed over a remote kvm type of thing |
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| 23:38.21 | \amethyst | err, a symlink rather |
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| 23:38.45 | MatBoy | are there people here that use lunixant drivers for Dynalink modems with success ? |
| 23:38.45 | k\t | guess_so... |
| 23:38.53 | macrobat | Number5: xfburn |
| 23:38.55 | \amethyst | the author of cdrecord threatened to sue people over removing an error message that says basically "Linux sucks, use Solaris" |
| 23:39.02 | \amethyst | s/error/warning/ |
| 23:39.22 | bananadog | alright thanks |
| 23:39.25 | Number5 | macrobat, I guess it's from xfce4? |
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| 23:39.42 | nevyn | \amethyst: oh right. drama. |
| 23:39.52 | macrobat | yes, you dont have to install the whole xfce4 for it |
| 23:40.16 | ikarus | \amethyst: yup, Schilly is one of our favorite nutcases |
| 23:40.43 | Number5 | macrobat, I'll try that too |
| 23:40.56 | \amethyst | and the scary thing is, since he's from Europe, he might even have been able to win ("moral rights of the author" and all that) |
| 23:41.51 | Number5 | exit |
| 23:42.09 | ikarus | \amethyst: except that common interpretation of the license also has to be taken into account |
| 23:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | loand Number5 a / |
| 23:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | loans even. |
| 23:42.47 | \amethyst | ikarus: the license is just a copyright license, though... moral rights are separate and inalienable |
| 23:43.04 | \amethyst | though I guess it is possible in some jurisdictions to agree not to enforce your moral rights |
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| 23:43.35 | ikarus | \amethyst: no |
| 23:43.38 | Number5 | jhutchins, you wanyt to say something? |
| 23:43.46 | Joelio | I'm seriously wanting to put debian on a kettle. Could someone suggest a really cheap small development board. Must have wireless or USB :) |
| 23:43.55 | ikarus | but meh |
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| 23:44.07 | ikarus | Joelio: Beagleboard |
| 23:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: No, just kidding about "exit". |
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| 23:44.13 | ikarus | will happily run Debian |
| 23:44.17 | Number5 | aaah ok :) |
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| 23:44.26 | \amethyst | ikarus: I do admit that my knowledge of civil law is quite lacking, since I'm from a common law jurisdiction |
| 23:44.28 | oh_noes | the default ntp.conf that comes with Deb, how agressive is it at setting the correct time? |
| 23:44.43 | oh_noes | is it possible to tell it "when you start, forcably sync time" (dont drift it) |
| 23:44.53 | \amethyst | ikarus: but I was under the impression that moral rights could not be assigned or waived |
| 23:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | oh_noes: God enough. |
| 23:45.14 | ikarus | \amethyst: the fact the community expects a certain interpretation and that he before acted as part of the community before would lead to dismissal |
| 23:45.15 | Joelio | ikarus: Cool, seen it, seems a bit overkill but I guess fusing two pasions, linux and tea is going to be a costly affair. Might look at ripping apart a WRT54 or something... |
| 23:45.21 | jhutchins_lt | good. Sheesh, can't type tonight. |
| 23:45.28 | dhaivat | Hi guys. I need a linux distro that installs in about 10-20 mins (that isn't debian), has a compiler, no GUI, runs pretty fast, and really needs to have perl, python and ruby or can easily get them. |
| 23:45.30 | ikarus | Joelio: WRT's are big inside :( |
| 23:45.40 | ikarus | dhaivat: so you want Debian |
| 23:45.44 | jhutchins_lt | !tell oh_noes about ntp |
| 23:45.49 | dhaivat | /says not debian/ |
| 23:45.50 | Joelio | ikarus: Bummer.. time to invest :) |
| 23:45.53 | ikarus | dhaivat: your install speed is solely determined by network or CD-rom speed |
| 23:46.02 | \amethyst | ikarus: good to know... this applies in both .de and .nl ? |
| 23:46.11 | oh_noes | jhutchins_lt: thx, I know it's good enough but I'm sending out a prebuild server based on debian and I wasnt sure if i could include any "be super pedantic that time is in sync" options |
| 23:46.13 | ikarus | \amethyst: most EU jurisdictions appaerently |
| 23:46.14 | jhutchins_lt | dhaivat: So why are you asking here? |
| 23:46.16 | dhaivat | ikarus: Okay, CD-ROM takes 30 mins to install all package on a debian CD. |
| 23:46.19 | ikarus | \amethyst: but it's NOT a hard thing |
| 23:46.29 | ikarus | dhaivat: you do know ALL includes GNOME, etc |
| 23:46.36 | dhaivat | jhutchins_lt: I thought you guys might be able to help. |
| 23:46.37 | ikarus | \amethyst: it's up to the judge to determine |
| 23:46.39 | ikarus | \ |
| 23:46.45 | jhutchins_lt | oh_noes: I know there are two different versions of ntp, and one is more configurable for things like that, but I believe both are available for debian. |
| 23:46.48 | dhaivat | ikarus: not including Desktop Envirement |
| 23:46.50 | ikarus | \amethyst: and each can determine it on his own (no jurisprudence |
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| 23:47.21 | \amethyst | ikarus: hm |
| 23:47.42 | benjamindees | dhaivat, you're getting into 'custom distro' territory here if ten minutes is really an issue.. |
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| 23:47.58 | \amethyst | ikarus: so if a judge decides against the author in the case of Author vs Person X, could the same author then sue Person Y, get a different judge, and get a different decision? |
| 23:48.10 | jhutchins_lt | dhaivat: DSL or puppy maybe? |
| 23:48.30 | dhaivat | jhutchins_lt: needs compiler. |
| 23:48.37 | ikarus | \amethyst: uhm, depends on if the case is actually distinct, if it isn't sufficiently the judge might just follow the previous sentencing |
| 23:48.49 | jhutchins_lt | \amethyst: Law is a notoriously complex subject. Judges are supposed to consult precedent, but not compelled to comply with it. |
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| 23:49.02 | abrotman | eh .. #debian-offtopic ? |
| 23:49.11 | MatBoy | how great, using an old Dynalink modem in rs232 seems difficult |
| 23:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | dhaivat: Needs complier, or needs pre-packaged compiler? |
| 23:49.15 | \amethyst | yeah, sorry :) |
| 23:49.19 | ikarus | jhutchins_lt: no, precedent has NO legal status here |
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| 23:49.25 | ikarus | any reference to it is wholly voluntarily |
| 23:49.33 | dhaivat | jhutchins_lt: needs compiler that already works. |
| 23:49.58 | dhaivat | jhutchins_lt: oh yeah, if its bootable by USB that'd be awesome |
| 23:50.05 | jhutchins_lt | dhaivat: Since this is #debian, I wouldn't know the status of compillers on other distros. |
| 23:50.06 | benjamindees | dhaivat, fedora/rh installs pretty quickly but includes a lot of junk and is difficult to pare down |
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| 23:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | debian-minimal and go from there? |
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| 23:54.33 | oh_noes | jhutchins_lt: what two versions are there? |
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| 23:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | oh_noes: Did you get a message from dpkg? |
| 23:56.19 | oh_noes | Nope |
| 23:56.47 | oh_noes | I got the generic one about NTP.. I know and understand NTP im just asking for a link to explain advanced configuration |
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| 23:57.23 | oh_noes | for a specific example, if a server boots and time is wrong (say +10 hours) it takes NTP 5 minutes after boot to fix this |
| 23:57.31 | oh_noes | I want to find the parameter to make it instantly fix the time when it starts |
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| 23:58.46 | NTU | where is the debian arm room? |
| 23:59.15 | titan8990 | !arm |
| 23:59.15 | dpkg | well, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 23:59.29 | titan8990 | !armel |
| 23:59.29 | dpkg | i heard armel is the Debian <ARM> EABI port: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort . It was released with <lenny>. |
| 23:59.47 | titan8990 | NTU: looks like oftc |