| 00:00.10 | NTU | oftc? |
| 00:00.53 | abrotman | yes, oftc |
| 00:01.24 | NTU | sorry i didnt read the whole thing |
| 00:01.25 | k\t | oh fuk this crap? |
| 00:01.32 | NTU | k/t what is it? |
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| 00:02.32 | NTU | alright thanks guys! |
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| 00:08.06 | Deberen | hey |
| 00:08.51 | azteech | Anyone here know if it is possible to dual boot a hackintosh OS with debian based OS? And if it is possible, any recommendations for a good HowTo? |
| 00:09.14 | Deberen | i installed debian and lxde, i cannot install .deb packages by doubleclicking |
| 00:09.42 | abrotman | azteech: ppc or i386 ? |
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| 00:10.16 | azteech | I386 (Intel P4 based) ... |
| 00:10.17 | benjamindees | um, what is kpsmoused? |
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| 00:11.34 | titan8990 | Deberen: I believe you need gdebi for that. you may need to go to a lxde specific channel to find out how to make it work as the default application for deb packages |
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| 00:13.05 | benjamindees | I like the way that linux evolves over the years, from having zero autoconfiguration of things like mice, to having five different autoconfiguration programs all running at once... |
| 00:13.33 | jzacsh | hello, I've installed debian from 650MB disc twice. after reboot (both times), i don't even see a grub menu -- just straight from bios to "error loading operating system" |
| 00:13.36 | jzacsh | any suggestions? |
| 00:14.38 | pianohacker | Does anyone know the "modern" way to send a copy of each packet received to another address ("port spanning" as the websense manual calls it, or old ipt_ROUTE's --tee function)? |
| 00:14.58 | pianohacker | ip route is theoretically supposed to do this, but the documentation is well-nigh impenetrable |
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| 00:15.44 | titan8990 | !tell jzacsh about reinstall grub |
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| 00:16.01 | Deberen | titan8990: thank you, it worked |
| 00:16.03 | titan8990 | jzacsh: also, check your BIOS settings and ensure the correct drive is being booted |
| 00:16.05 | abrotman | pianohacker: you might get a better response in #netfilter |
| 00:16.06 | tinflu | is there a way to get the .config file my debian kernel (from debian installation) is using ? |
| 00:16.10 | titan8990 | Deberen: anytime |
| 00:16.18 | pianohacker | abrotman: Okay, thanks, wasn't sure of the channel |
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| 00:16.43 | jzacsh | titan8990: I'll check the bios setting now -- and to reinstall grub, what would be the quickest/easiest method? |
| 00:17.52 | titan8990 | jzacsh: you should have got a pm from dpkg |
| 00:18.05 | jzacsh | titan8990: thanks |
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| 00:18.44 | NTU | quick question and im out of here :P where is the ./configure lines and CFLAGS set for glibc on different architectures? |
| 00:19.31 | titan8990 | NTU: sure you not using gentoo? :p |
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| 00:19.51 | NTU | i want to see exactly what the code is optimized for. like what arm processorsd |
| 00:20.00 | p3rror | hello |
| 00:20.08 | oh_noes | hwo do I drop sar/sysstat reporting interval from 10 minutes to something else? where is this configured? |
| 00:20.10 | NTU | *for *processors |
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| 00:20.24 | benjamindees | NTU, probably in the package's 'rules' file |
| 00:20.30 | titan8990 | NTU: might be in the rules/debian file from the source package, but im really not sure |
| 00:20.32 | p3rror | please is there any php editor on debian |
| 00:20.37 | p3rror | other than vim, quanta |
| 00:20.44 | titan8990 | NTU: I prefer emacs |
| 00:20.53 | titan8990 | ^ p3rror |
| 00:21.01 | titan8990 | !popcon |
| 00:21.01 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 00:21.17 | titan8990 | !start a text editor war |
| 00:21.28 | p3rror | titan8990, :) |
| 00:21.41 | titan8990 | !start an editor war |
| 00:21.41 | dpkg | vim bites |
| 00:21.49 | p3rror | titan8990, i use vim for python and c and other |
| 00:22.04 | p3rror | but when i was under kde i used quanta for web dev |
| 00:22.14 | tinflu | is there a way to install a driver module without having/compiling the kernel? that seems to cause me some trouble.. |
| 00:22.25 | p3rror | so i'm on gnome and i'm looking for advanced editor |
| 00:22.40 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys im trying to preseed and im getting an error when trying to disable all network prompts via "d-i netcfg/enable boolean false" any ideas? |
| 00:22.52 | NTU | how do you get the source packages off the web? |
| 00:22.58 | NTU | not via apt |
| 00:23.02 | titan8990 | p3rror: doesn't get any more advanced than emacs :) |
| 00:23.20 | p3rror | titan8990, right |
| 00:23.20 | benjamindees | NTU, download the tarball and diff from packages.debian.org |
| 00:23.29 | p3rror | titan8990, so more simple |
| 00:23.35 | p3rror | than emacs |
| 00:23.37 | titan8990 | NTU: packages.debian.org |
| 00:23.51 | NTU | im thete |
| 00:23.53 | NTU | *there |
| 00:24.23 | titan8990 | p3rror: there is a web development specific channel on freenode. don't recall the name though... maybe #web |
| 00:24.37 | NTU | ah found where its at |
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| 00:25.01 | p3rror | ok thanks |
| 00:26.31 | benjamindees | so, I'm under the impression that telling udev to ignore a device should prevent a node from being created? |
| 00:27.53 | jzacsh | titan8990: can you tell me what "<grml>" means in the instructions I received from the bot: "Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write,"? |
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| 00:28.23 | Tramp | jzacsh: /msg dpkg grml |
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| 00:29.05 | titan8990 | jzacsh: the <> means thats another fact you can ask him about |
| 00:29.22 | jzacsh | Tramp: titan8990 --- aah, <> <-- didn't know that :) |
| 00:29.48 | titan8990 | dpkgbot is great |
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| 00:37.10 | jhutchins_lt | !beer dpkg |
| 00:37.10 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Spaten Pils for dpkg |
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| 00:41.47 | NTU | i dont drink |
| 00:41.49 | NTU | too young |
| 00:42.14 | NTU | alrighty... well #debian i am off. take care all! |
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| 00:42.25 | adb | !beer udev |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Delirium Tremens for udev |
| 00:42.37 | adb | ... |
| 00:42.54 | macrobat | :( |
| 00:44.34 | jzacsh | mmm... Delirium... I love this bot |
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| 00:50.48 | gpogo | !beer me |
| 00:50.49 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Spaten Pils for gpogo |
| 00:51.04 | abrotman | okay .. we can stop now |
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| 00:51.28 | titan8990 | but... we haven't heard the quote of the day yet |
| 00:52.22 | cheako | Hello. I've built a new kernel using the kernel provided deb-pkg target. First two problems were that after install the initramfs and grup updates were not done. Now the initrd does not include any modules, how can I fix this? |
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| 00:55.03 | jhutchins_lt | cheako: initrd is produced by mkinitrd, which is pretty well documented in it's manpage. |
| 00:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | cheako: There may be an easier Debian way to do it, but I don't know. dpkg-reeconfigure <kernel>? |
| 00:55.50 | titan8990 | make-kpkg is the tool for building kernel packages, but I have never used it |
| 00:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: He doesn't need a kernel package, just an intrd. |
| 00:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | initrd even. |
| 00:56.19 | titan8990 | cheako: if you have modified an uncommented section of menu.lst, i think update-grub ignores it |
| 00:56.34 | titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I thought it had initrd options |
| 00:56.45 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: Might. Dunno. |
| 00:57.10 | cheako | titan8990: and that's been unused for a long time. The current solution is documented here: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:57.58 | cheako | I have an initrd, but it's broken... atm. |
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| 00:59.39 | cheako | update-initramfs -v -u -k 2.6.33-git7; # This reports copying of modules... |
| 00:59.44 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:00.02 | cheako | zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.33-git7 | cpio -t; # This shows no modules. |
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| 01:01.39 | titan8990 | cheako: all the dpkg factoids point to make-kpkg |
| 01:02.06 | cheako | titan8990: And they are all dated 2003. |
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| 01:02.26 | titan8990 | cheako: the link i clicked on says 2008 |
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| 01:02.54 | titan8990 | !make-kpkg |
| 01:02.55 | dpkg | hmm... make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 01:02.57 | cheako | that;s not too old, are you sure that's not just a vary blured 3? |
| 01:03.00 | titan8990 | !recompile kernel |
| 01:03.18 | titan8990 | !compile kernel |
| 01:03.19 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 01:03.59 | titan8990 | cheako: version 4.0.3, 26 June 2008 at the bottom of the FAQ link |
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| 01:05.01 | cheako | dam. |
| 01:05.19 | benjamindees | I want to use udev or hal or whatever to completely disable a device. can anyone tell me how to do that? |
| 01:05.31 | titan8990 | cheako: I think that other guide you had was oriented towards kernel devs |
| 01:06.50 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys im trying to preseed and im getting an error when trying to disable all network prompts via "d-i netcfg/enable boolean false" any ideas? |
| 01:07.26 | shaunlewis | benjamindees: you can blacklist a module if you have compiled the driver for whichever device as one. Not sure if that satisfies yours definition of 'completly disable', however |
| 01:07.48 | cheako | I';m so close to getting this working... I'd hate to start from building the kernel again. |
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| 01:08.03 | cheako | The kernel boot's it's just now mounting root. |
| 01:08.08 | cheako | ..not. |
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| 01:09.30 | ePax | im getting this when i typ ldd /bin/bash http://debian.pastebin.com/FDCpQFps |
| 01:10.24 | benjamindees | shaunlewis, I'm going to try that next because nothing else I've tried has worked. the problem is that the module controls multiple devices, however, and I only want to disable one. |
| 01:11.47 | titan8990 | cheako: don't need an initrd if everything needed for boot is marked * |
| 01:12.03 | titan8990 | cheako: and / is not on lvm or encrypted |
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| 01:13.06 | shaunlewis | benjamindees: which module/devices are we talking about? |
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| 01:13.52 | cheako | titan8990: Last time I tried to boot like that I was unable to build a kernel image that was small enough to fit into memory at boot time. |
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| 01:16.20 | benjamindees | shaunlewis, serio |
| 01:17.51 | benjamindees | or serio_raw I think |
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| 01:20.00 | shaunlewis | which device is causing you pain? |
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| 01:21.18 | titan8990 | cheako: the kernel image is typically really small... |
| 01:21.37 | benjamindees | where is udevtest? I see it referred to but it's not installable |
| 01:21.43 | titan8990 | cheako: most gentoo users do not use an initrd as its not recommended by the install guide |
| 01:22.00 | titan8990 | benjamindees: apt-file can help with things like that |
| 01:22.23 | benjamindees | shaunlewis, I'm not really sure if it's a device or if it's something that xorg just creates for no apparent reason, but I have two mouse drivers and only one touchpad |
| 01:22.29 | benjamindees | titan8990, tried it |
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| 01:23.48 | shaunlewis | irrc, with input devices, you can get xorg to ignore certain notifications from hald. let me see if I can find some info |
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| 01:27.12 | shaunlewis | benjamindees: also, have you tried setting AutoAddDevices to off in your xorg.conf? |
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| 01:28.47 | shaunlewis | to false, rather |
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| 01:31.28 | benjamindees | no, I don't have an xorg.conf and I don't really want one |
| 01:32.42 | benjamindees | here's the deal, from what I can tell: I'm under the impression I can create an xorg.conf manually to fix this if I really want to. But that's deprecated so I'd like to just tell xorg to ignore this pseudo device and autoconfigure the rest of them. |
| 01:33.21 | benjamindees | and no matter what I do, xinput always shows two mice and udev always creates two device nodes for mice. |
| 01:33.34 | nevyn | evdev? |
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| 01:33.53 | benjamindees | I'm not really clear on what evdev is exactly |
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| 01:34.31 | nevyn | a way to make HID devices not register with the core event framework |
| 01:34.57 | nevyn | so you can have something that claims to be a keyboard snarfed by lirc instead of sending keystrokes through the main mechinism |
| 01:35.26 | benjamindees | that would be a good thing to try disabling I suppose |
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| 01:36.06 | SnakDoc | adb: got it working was error in /etc/nsswitch.conf i had set |
| 01:36.28 | nevyn | benjamindees: what do you want? |
| 01:36.32 | benjamindees | anyways I need to run but I'll be back in an hour to try some more stuff |
| 01:36.44 | nevyn | benjamindees: by default.. you should have both mice controlling the pointer. |
| 01:36.55 | benjamindees | nevyn, I just want a single synaptics touchpad using the synaptics driver |
| 01:37.10 | benjamindees | nevyn, I only have the one mouse :-/ |
| 01:38.35 | nevyn | that's what everyone says |
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| 02:13.35 | hikenboot | in both debian and ubuntu is it as simple as installing the kernel source tree under /usr/src/ so a simple copy would work or is there more to it in the kernel packages? |
| 02:15.50 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: depends on what you want to do |
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| 02:16.29 | hikenboot | I know there is a link in /usr/src/linux to the latest kernel..but is that about it |
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| 02:16.59 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:17.19 | hikenboot | get around a packaging problem with the source tree i created elsewhere |
| 02:17.33 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: which packaging problem? |
| 02:18.06 | hikenboot | it doesnt run. it fails to install somthing I think to do with the language packages |
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| 02:19.35 | johni | hikenboot, so what is the link between your problem and the linux kernel? |
| 02:19.56 | dondelelcaro | hikenboot: it'd help if you gave us as much information as possible, because I can't help you otherwise |
| 02:20.05 | hikenboot | ok hold on |
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| 02:22.25 | hikenboot | strace of dpkg gives me /usr/share/locale/en_US.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/dpkg.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory and fails to install custom kernel source package |
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| 02:34.35 | smacnay | hmm, no traffic |
| 02:35.43 | dvs | beep beep |
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| 03:02.46 | balrog | hi; how do I make start-stop-daemon pass env variables to the daemon that's being started? |
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| 03:10.55 | Xperia1 | hello |
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| 03:11.28 | Xperia1 | how can i make an non-readable /home/user folder for another users? |
| 03:11.47 | balrog | chmod 700 the directory |
| 03:12.34 | Xperia1 | but... by default with adduser <user> |
| 03:13.43 | balrog | I'm not sure if that's possible |
| 03:14.33 | balrog | I wonder if changing the permissions of /etc/skel to 700 would do it |
| 03:14.49 | balrog | (for information on what /etc/skel does, read adduser's man page) |
| 03:14.51 | abrotman | Xperia1: /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 03:15.22 | balrog | ahh ok |
| 03:15.28 | Xperia1 | i'm on this file, but i can't find the relevant line to set the permission |
| 03:15.31 | balrog | hi SpookyET |
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| 03:15.49 | Xperia1 | DIR_MODE=0755 |
| 03:15.52 | Xperia1 | ooooww :) |
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| 03:15.55 | balrog | man adduser.conf :) |
| 03:16.12 | balrog | anyone knows how to have start-stop-daemon pass env variables? |
| 03:16.20 | SpookyET | Is anyone good with Apache mod_rewrite directives. I'm trying to url mask by proxying a a different URL, but it's proving difficult. |
| 03:16.32 | abrotman | SpookyET: #httpd |
| 03:16.47 | SpookyET | abrotman: sweet thanks. joined #apache, but that's not the right one |
| 03:17.41 | balrog | ahh looks like http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html explains it |
| 03:17.51 | balrog | need to have a wrapper script :\ |
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| 03:19.28 | nocturnus | has anyone here ever managed to print a left margin of one inch with lp? |
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| 03:25.44 | benjamindees | nocturnus, I have rarely been able to make lp do anything consistently |
| 03:25.57 | nocturnus | benjamindees: CUPS is shit |
| 03:26.28 | abrotman | s/CUPS/printing/ |
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| 03:26.51 | benjamindees | printing in linux is probably the most complicated thing ever created by man |
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| 03:28.34 | titan8990 | I always thought the cups interface was pretty straightforward... although I have been asked to printers to work with obscure requirements like its own java print server instead of cups |
| 03:28.57 | titan8990 | sound on the other hand |
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| 03:29.34 | benjamindees | cups is relatively straightforward, as long as you make sure you are using it exclusively, have it configured correctly, have a supported printer, are using an application that's built for it, and the stars align just so.. |
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| 03:30.01 | benjamindees | and then god help you if you want to use a non-standard paper size |
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| 03:31.15 | titan8990 | benjamindees: I have mostly had HP and brother printers which are supported well. never had a need for non-standard paper |
| 03:32.19 | benjamindees | I've been thinking it would be useful to have an install system that's more like 'make', where you have this set of requirements and your hardware and then the installer picks apps based on that and you end up with something that all mostly works together |
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| 03:35.27 | benjamindees | I mean that's kind of what debian is anyways, but it would be more automatic |
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| 03:36.32 | nevyn | umm benjamindees taskselect? |
| 03:36.50 | nevyn | benjamindees: that sounds like gentoo aiui |
| 03:36.53 | titan8990 | udev + tasksel maybe |
| 03:36.57 | nevyn | with the whole use flags thing |
| 03:36.59 | benjamindees | titan8990, depending on the printer and the app, 11x17 is nonstandard. and then only depending on which way you turn it. |
| 03:37.04 | nevyn | which I do think is a neat idea. |
| 03:37.23 | nevyn | metric paper is for the win people when will you learn. |
| 03:37.43 | benjamindees | ha, yeah right, trees are cheaper in America thank-you |
| 03:38.17 | benjamindees | nevyn, yeah I guess I want gentoo then |
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| 03:39.06 | benjamindees | nevyn, I have the taskselect source here. it's hideous. |
| 03:40.24 | nevyn | taskselect is horrible. |
| 03:40.28 | nevyn | I'm not arguing |
| 03:40.52 | nevyn | benjamindees: srsly metric paper ftw. A4 is awesome |
| 03:41.06 | benjamindees | I had this thought "maybe I can customize taskselect"; but no, the tasks are basically hardcoded :( |
| 03:41.37 | nevyn | how can you not love metric paper? |
| 03:41.48 | benjamindees | nevyn, there are a few apps that will only print in A4 and refuse to recognize letter |
| 03:42.41 | dvs | nevyn: it's too long for my binder. ;-) |
| 03:44.06 | benjamindees | at my last employer, when the client requested A4, they would copy letter-sized pages onto expensive A4 paper and basically waste trees |
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| 03:44.36 | benjamindees | and ink and time and money and electricity |
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| 03:45.12 | titan8990 | my work prints out 1000 page reports on dot matrix printers daily |
| 03:45.16 | balrog | benjamindees: that's stupid |
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| 03:45.54 | nevyn | benjamindees: well that's stupid |
| 03:46.03 | nevyn | a4 is cheap letter is expensive. |
| 03:46.21 | nevyn | a4 is $4.50 / ream letter is $20 |
| 03:46.23 | nevyn | ;) |
| 03:46.59 | abrotman | nevyn: in which country? |
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| 03:47.26 | dvs | exactly |
| 03:47.34 | dvs | ream letter < $50 in ca |
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| 03:47.46 | dvs | $5 i mean |
| 03:47.59 | benjamindees | titan8990, it's been six years since I've seen anyone do that; just force them to print to a file instead |
| 03:48.01 | nevyn | abrotman: AU |
| 03:48.16 | nevyn | abrotman: hence ;) |
| 03:48.25 | nvz | I never knew talking about paper could get so many people off on a tangent |
| 03:48.27 | abrotman | right |
| 03:48.42 | titan8990 | benjamindees: its already stored in files, I am told its done because they find it easier to compare numbers that way... |
| 03:48.52 | nevyn | titan8990: that scares me. |
| 03:48.54 | balrog | heh, compare numbers :[ |
| 03:48.59 | titan8990 | benjamindees: as if no one told them computers were excellent at comparing tedious numbers... |
| 03:49.01 | balrog | what about a little script that does that? |
| 03:49.04 | nvz | I actually had to check what channel I was in, thought this was #officedepot or #staples or something |
| 03:49.09 | benjamindees | oh, yeah accountants are idiots; write a script to replace them |
| 03:50.56 | dvs | benjamindees: money > /dev/null |
| 03:50.57 | nevyn | I find the metric paper system mathematically elegant |
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| 03:51.18 | nevyn | and I can't find a single redeeming characteristic of the us Letter papersize |
| 03:53.05 | benjamindees | trade protectionism comes to mind :p |
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| 03:54.24 | benjamindees | so, back on topic, how can I disable evdev? |
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| 03:55.15 | nevyn | from what I understand you want to enable it. |
| 03:55.26 | titan8990 | benjamindees: I would try hard-coding your input devices in xorg.conf |
| 03:55.46 | benjamindees | titan8990, eww |
| 03:56.00 | titan8990 | benjamindees: if i understand right, evdev works with hal for automagic input device usage |
| 03:56.21 | titan8990 | benjamindees: X -configure will get you started |
| 03:56.31 | benjamindees | titan8990, double eww |
| 03:57.05 | Bastihase | i have a problem |
| 03:57.14 | titan8990 | benjamindees: double eww? I used gentoo pre xserver HAL with X -configure and a xorg.conf.example and it wasn't so bad |
| 03:57.22 | Bastihase | gbar ist: NO_PUBKEY B015D879C64120F1 |
| 03:57.23 | Bastihase | - -{a-atwood}- - Probieren Sie »apt-get update«, um diese Probleme zu korrigieren. |
| 03:57.23 | Bastihase | FmaltaATHcxDEB504rz1SRV2:~# apt-get install ovzkernel-2.6.18 |
| 03:57.25 | benjamindees | no, I'm going to go along with the new automatic stuff, I just want to be able to disable devices as necessary |
| 03:57.51 | titan8990 | benjamindees: I would guess a hal fdi file but not sure |
| 03:58.07 | benjamindees | titan8990, I've tried that; I think evdev is bypassing it |
| 03:58.37 | titan8990 | !de |
| 03:58.37 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 03:59.06 | titan8990 | benjamindees: you have a hal fdi for synaptics and that only? |
| 04:00.29 | benjamindees | okay, I stared at my keyboard for a while and recognized something; I do have two mice; there's the touchpad and the clit; I want to disable the clit |
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| 04:00.56 | benjamindees | titan8990, I made a fdi to try to disable the clit but it didn't seem to work |
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| 04:01.34 | titan8990 | benjamindees: I never figured those things out... never really spent the time to because xorg.conf is easier |
| 04:01.43 | titan8990 | benjamindees: and hal is already gone from the new xservers |
| 04:01.59 | benjamindees | titan8990, what seriously? what do they use now? |
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| 04:04.35 | benjamindees | "I know that some people seem to think that evdev is the Holy Input Driver but, until it actually works, Ubuntu shouldn't try to shove it down my throat" |
| 04:05.04 | benjamindees | nice.. brb |
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| 04:19.35 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, just a quick question, when i upgrade from lenny to squeeze once it's released, should i install squeeze from scratch or just upgrading will add the new features? |
| 04:20.04 | benjamindees | awesome; disabled the clit mouse; discovered that udev rules are stored in /usr/lib/udev for some unknown reason |
| 04:20.07 | titan8990 | paranoidphreak: there will be release notes for upgrading when the time comes, but that is still far away |
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| 04:20.26 | titan8990 | benjamindees: udev will replace hal |
| 04:20.37 | benjamindees | titan8990, yes I'm getting that impression |
| 04:20.44 | titan8990 | benjamindees: it took me a bit to find it: http://www.x.org/wiki/Server18Branch |
| 04:20.52 | paranoidphreak | titan8990: i understand that but is it wiser to start from scratch? |
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| 04:21.40 | titan8990 | paranoidphreak: I wouldn't say that... what if your server was in production? |
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| 04:22.32 | paranoidphreak | titan8990: oh k, thanks |
| 04:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | benjamindees, hmm? |
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| 04:23.36 | titan8990 | !lenny release notes |
| 04:23.36 | dpkg | i guess lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 04:24.00 | titan8990 | paranoidphreak: you can see in the lenny release notes how they plan and document the upgrades to new releases |
| 04:25.03 | paranoidphreak | titan8990: oh, i'll check it out, thanks again |
| 04:25.11 | titan8990 | paranoidphreak: np |
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| 04:27.50 | benjamindees | titan8990, great, xorg.conf is replaced with udev, some new xorg.conf.d thing, and of course, xorg.conf |
| 04:28.24 | titan8990 | benjamindees: plain ole xorg.conf will still work |
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| 04:29.02 | benjamindees | titan8990, yeah but all the programs that generate it automatically suck now |
| 04:29.20 | titan8990 | benjamindees: many applications allow for splitting the config into multiple files.. an example is apache on fedora/rhel is all httpd.conf by default but in debian we have a whole directory tree for config files |
| 04:29.37 | titan8990 | benjamindees: we can still use a single httpd.conf |
| 04:30.41 | titan8990 | benjamindees: another example is modprobe.conf vs modprobe.d/ |
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| 04:30.56 | benjamindees | titan8990, yes, I'm aware |
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| 04:38.28 | benjamindees | okay, so I identified this udev rule: |
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| 04:38.33 | benjamindees | ENV{ID_INPUT_MOUSE}=="?*", ENV{x11_driver}="evdev" |
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| 04:39.13 | benjamindees | which sets the xorg driver for the mouse device. but I'm not sure how to get that information back out of udev using udevadm. |
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| 04:47.50 | benjamindees | okay, I see, I use --query=all on the event device in question and it shows that; that's useful |
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| 05:12.20 | WormFood | is there a skype plugin module for pidgin in unstable? (I don't have my unstable system handy, to check)....and I don't remember if I compiled it from source or not. |
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| 05:12.31 | wols | !skype |
| 05:12.31 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 05:12.55 | wols | there cannot be any plugins for skype ever. skype and its protocol, is totally closed |
| 05:13.14 | benjamindees | . |
| 05:13.46 | WormFood | yeah...I hate skype....but you're wrong, there is a pidgin plugin for skype, BUT, it interfaces to the sykpe program, so it is more like a translator...it is NOT NATIVE skype support. |
| 05:13.55 | squisher | does pidgin have voice support these days? |
| 05:14.04 | benjamindees | wols, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't answer questions here please ;) |
| 05:14.11 | WormFood | er...I mean, a sykpe plugin for pidgin |
| 05:14.25 | wols | WormFood: packages.debian.org |
| 05:14.44 | WormFood | squisher, not the last I saw, but menu items in pidgin suggest they plan to support it |
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| 05:14.59 | daltio111 | guys i am write a script to grep exceptional errors and email me i am using ask2=`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'` date functio to get current day logs |
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| 05:15.15 | WormFood | wols, it is isn't in unstable, that is no problem...I just didn't remember if I compiled it, or installed it...I guess I compiled it |
| 05:15.33 | daltio111 | now prb is today is Mar 4 and it shows 2 character spacing in logs where as data function get a single space |
| 05:15.36 | daltio111 | what to do? |
| 05:15.52 | daltio111 | any idea and if date is 10 or above all is ok |
| 05:16.22 | WormFood | daltio111, what are you trying to do? |
| 05:16.49 | daltio111 | geting logs of cuttent date from auth.log |
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| 05:17.59 | daltio111 | then i try this command ask2=`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'` and get date in variable ask and grep todays logs from syslog |
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| 05:18.24 | daltio111 | syslog shows logs as Mar 4 bind9 restrat |
| 05:18.39 | daltio111 | when i gerp this data funtion grep it as Mar 4 |
| 05:18.48 | daltio111 | single space to grep will miss this log |
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| 05:22.39 | daltio111 | got it |
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| 05:32.24 | daltio111 | WormFood? |
| 05:32.55 | WormFood | I was doing other things...reading what you said... |
| 05:33.07 | daltio111 | any idea |
| 05:33.09 | daltio111 | wht to do |
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| 05:34.46 | WormFood | I see your problem |
| 05:35.10 | WormFood | show me how you are using $ask2 |
| 05:35.23 | WormFood | yes, I have idea what to do |
| 05:35.42 | WormFood | daltio111 |
| 05:36.16 | daltio111 | ok wait |
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| 05:37.51 | WormFood | cat auth.log|sed 's/ / /' | grep "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" |
| 05:38.03 | WormFood | how is that? |
| 05:38.09 | WormFood | simple, eh? |
| 05:38.09 | daltio111 | ask2=`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'` |
| 05:38.10 | daltio111 | cat /var/log/auth.log |grep -E "$ask2" > /var/log/switchlog cat /var/log/switchlog |grep 'su\[' >> /var/log/switchlog1 |
| 05:38.44 | WormFood | modify what I just gave you, to fit into your script |
| 05:38.49 | peterrooney | daltio111: useless use of cat; grep directly. |
| 05:39.41 | WormFood | sed 's/ / /' < auth.log | grep "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" <-- without cat ;) |
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| 05:40.40 | WormFood | there are different ways to do it...I wouldn't say using 'cat' that way is wrong, just not necessary |
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| 05:41.22 | hyphenex | does a package for scala exist? |
| 05:41.38 | WormFood | sed 's/ / /' < auth.log | grep "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" | grep 'su\[' <-- even better |
| 05:41.48 | WormFood | hyphenex, apt-get/aptitude search scala |
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| 05:42.09 | hyphenex | WormFood: it brings up too many to sift through (scala is within the word scalable) |
| 05:42.33 | WormFood | hyphenex, apt-get/aptitude search scala | grep -iv scalable |
| 05:42.50 | WormFood | but I'm sure there is a better way to do that, that is just how I'd do it |
| 05:43.55 | daltio111 | Worfood |
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| 05:44.02 | daltio111 | no outpit of sed 's/ / /' < /var/log/auth.log | grep "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" | grep 'su\[' |
| 05:44.10 | daltio111 | where it save it? |
| 05:44.35 | WormFood | daltio111, that will dump it to the screen...if you want it in a file, then > or >> redirect it, like your commands shows |
| 05:44.39 | hyphenex | nope, not in apt-cache :( |
| 05:44.46 | peterrooney | hyphenex: "apt-file search bin/scala" |
| 05:45.00 | WormFood | I knew there was a better way to do that ;) |
| 05:45.31 | daltio111 | i am not seeing on screen |
| 05:45.32 | daltio111 | as well |
| 05:45.42 | daltio111 | no output i just copy n paste this command |
| 05:46.41 | blast_hardcheese | Hey there! I'm having an AMaViS issue, I keep getting log lines like: (07365-10) (!!)TROUBLE in check_mail: parts_decode_ext FAILED: file(1) utility (/usr/bin/file) error: failed, exit 1 at (eval 89) line 177. |
| 05:47.10 | WormFood | daltio111, it works for me |
| 05:47.13 | blast_hardcheese | I'm not sure why I'm getting them, and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this further |
| 05:47.27 | WormFood | maybe you don't have anything that matches that last grep for today |
| 05:47.37 | WormFood | try using yesterday's date |
| 05:47.48 | daltio111 | hey for all date either 11 march or 3 mar? |
| 05:48.01 | WormFood | anyways....it works for me, and the logic is solid |
| 05:48.11 | WormFood | huh? |
| 05:49.05 | daltio111 | ok |
| 05:49.09 | daltio111 | works to for me |
| 05:49.10 | daltio111 | thanks |
| 05:49.19 | WormFood | your welcome |
| 05:50.48 | daltio111 | how i print it in a file |
| 05:50.49 | daltio111 | ? |
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| 05:51.13 | WormFood | daltio111, spend some time on the "man bash" page...it will explain a LOT |
| 05:51.24 | WormFood | search for > and >> |
| 05:52.57 | daltio111 | done |
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| 06:06.11 | alien64 | whats up when lspci : grep -i audio shows my sound card and alsaconf lists the correct card and loads the module but the volume control is x'ed out and preferences on volume shows no card? could it be wrong gstreamer plugin? |
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| 06:12.42 | blast_hardcheese | alien64: Did you try alsamixer? can you change the sound in there? |
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| 06:13.40 | alien64 | blast_hardcheese: i'll check its on another pc brb |
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| 06:19.41 | alien64 | blast_hardcheese: says snd_cntrl_open failed for default no such file or directory ! |
| 06:19.47 | blast_hardcheese | Dun dun DUN! |
| 06:19.54 | blast_hardcheese | So alsa is not configured correctly |
| 06:20.08 | alien64 | i believe it is |
| 06:20.18 | blast_hardcheese | alsamixer believes otherwise |
| 06:21.02 | alien64 | the correct card is loaded the right modules |
| 06:21.37 | alien64 | ess miestro tuff thats the card |
| 06:21.43 | alien64 | stuff |
| 06:21.52 | blast_hardcheese | alien64: And you ran alsaconf? did you restart? |
| 06:22.26 | blast_hardcheese | (You shouldn't need to restart, but I like to if I have issues like this, because then it assures that all the drivers have loaded like they will on subsequent boots) |
| 06:23.12 | alien64 | said something about maybe wrong gstreammer plugin |
| 06:23.40 | alien64 | yes i have restarted |
| 06:23.44 | k\t | alsaconf sitll in alsa-utils/tools? thought they got rid of that |
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| 06:24.14 | alien64 | this is from i386 net install |
| 06:24.37 | k\t | stable? |
| 06:24.48 | alien64 | yes |
| 06:25.19 | larrikin | is anybody familiar with the FM radio on the Avermedia A16A capture cards and how to listen with mplayer ? |
| 06:25.24 | alien64 | everything works out of the box except my res and alsa |
| 06:25.28 | k\t | oh... |
| 06:26.00 | daltio111 | WromFood sed 's/ / /' < /usr/bin/last | grep "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" its not working why? |
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| 06:26.11 | daltio111 | am search for mar 3 login logs |
| 06:26.12 | daltio111 | ? |
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| 06:26.34 | k\t | alsamixer should be able to adjust your card... i usually run alsactl store <card> form the command line too... |
| 06:27.02 | k\t | alsamixer should be able to adjust your card... i usually run alsactl store <card> form the command line too... |
| 06:27.05 | alien64 | the res thing i can fix but alsa has got me stmped cuz i know those modules alsa loads are correct for my card |
| 06:27.36 | k\t | s/form/from/ |
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| 06:28.36 | alien64 | there is no card shown in volume control preferences at all |
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| 06:29.00 | k\t | ouch... |
| 06:29.03 | alien64 | alsamixer wont start |
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| 06:29.16 | k\t | double-ouch... |
| 06:29.30 | alien64 | it tries but throws error |
| 06:29.43 | k\t | are the correct modules loaded for your card? |
| 06:29.53 | alien64 | maybe ill try the gstremmer plugin |
| 06:30.05 | alien64 | yes they are correct |
| 06:30.05 | k\t | good idea... ? |
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| 06:31.19 | alien64 | i need to put chat on that pc then i can pastbin the stuff ill do that in the morning its late now |
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| 06:32.57 | alien64 | is there a command line command for pastbin? |
| 06:33.09 | blast_hardcheese | :| |
| 06:33.11 | k\t | ok... ftw, usually lspci will give you enough information to get the correct module for your card... from there you should be able to get sound going... |
| 06:33.43 | alien64 | did all that ftw |
| 06:33.52 | gpogo | does anyone have an issue with aptitude update lagging and claiming "Waiting for headers" |
| 06:33.53 | nsadmin | !pastebinin |
| 06:33.56 | nsadmin | !pastebinit |
| 06:33.56 | dpkg | well, pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
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| 06:34.51 | k\t | alsamixer should work then... |
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| 06:35.19 | alien64 | k\t: well it dont |
| 06:36.26 | alien64 | its a ess miestro card an snd_miestro module loads |
| 06:36.49 | k\t | modprobe -v snd_mixer_oss |
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| 06:59.58 | bikcmp | ? |
| 07:00.49 | squisher | oh, I guess that was redundant. Sorry. |
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| 07:03.05 | daltio111 | ? |
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| 07:20.18 | lxsameer | hi , can i update my debian from another debian box with same packages installed? |
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| 07:21.01 | nsadmin | you could try copying /var/cache/apt/archives to it |
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| 07:21.10 | nsadmin | no guarantees |
| 07:21.12 | kj4 | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dansguardian does this require a shorewall firewall to function? |
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| 07:21.34 | kj4 | trying to protect my kids |
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| 07:22.05 | the-dude | kj4: no it doesn but it is recommended |
| 07:22.32 | kj4 | the-dude: ok, i |
| 07:23.10 | kj4 | the-dude: im running pfsense as a firewall. where do i get a blacklist to work from, or does the package install a default blacklist? |
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| 07:23.46 | the-dude | kj4: dansguardian comes with default blacklist(porn gambling en that kind of stuff) |
| 07:23.56 | Fantom__ | kernel: unable to mount root files system: unknown block |
| 07:23.58 | Fantom__ | panic |
| 07:24.05 | kj4 | the-dude: great thanks |
| 07:24.49 | Fantom__ | kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root file system (unkown block) ? |
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| 07:26.27 | nsadmin | Fantom__ a driver is probably missing from the initrd |
| 07:27.00 | nsadmin | the reason for the initrd is mostly to contain the drivers needed to mount / |
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| 07:27.35 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: where is that vfs |
| 07:27.43 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: in kernel config meny |
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| 07:28.08 | nsadmin | vfs is the part of the kernel that lets it mount different file system types |
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| 07:28.34 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: i know, hwo cna i fix this problem |
| 07:28.38 | Fantom__ | can* |
| 07:28.52 | nsadmin | it depends on what the exact problem is |
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| 07:30.00 | daltio111 | gys i want to grep login logs for todays logs with this command |
| 07:30.11 | daltio111 | sed 's/ / /' < /usr/bin/last | grep -E "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" |
| 07:30.21 | daltio111 | seems not forwing for todays works |
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| 07:32.03 | nsadmin | Fantom__ there's not enough information on what happened... did this work before? if so, what happened since then? |
| 07:33.40 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: this is only on 2.6.33 ... for older kernel work fine.. |
| 07:34.08 | nsadmin | why upgrade? |
| 07:34.25 | nsadmin | why not use older kernel? |
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| 07:35.47 | Fantom__ | i need it... for drivers |
| 07:36.40 | nsadmin | how did you get the binary of the kernel? |
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| 07:37.49 | Fantom__ | .tar.gz2 and kernel-package |
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| 07:38.16 | nsadmin | did you run make-kpkg --initrd (whatever)? |
| 07:38.48 | Fantom__ | yes |
| 07:38.50 | Fantom__ | :) |
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| 07:39.10 | nsadmin | and then you installed the kernel .deb? |
| 07:40.02 | Fantom__ | yes |
| 07:40.04 | Fantom__ | update-initramfs ? |
| 07:40.09 | dbbolton | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.10 | Fantom__ | how can i re run update-initramfs |
| 07:40.24 | nsadmin | maybe... but it didn't produce the initrd? |
| 07:40.34 | dbbolton | Fantom__: update-initramfs -c -k 'kernelname' |
| 07:40.43 | Fantom__ | update-initramfs -k all -c |
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| 07:40.54 | dbbolton | Fantom__: is it exists use -u rather than -c |
| 07:41.07 | Fantom__ | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.33-ghost |
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| 07:42.10 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: i need to test to reboot... |
| 07:42.14 | Fantom__ | brb |
| 07:42.23 | Fantom__ | dbbolton: thanks |
| 07:42.25 | nsadmin | hope it works |
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| 07:50.23 | kj4 | dbbolton: mkdir -p ? |
| 07:51.02 | daltio111 | sed 's/ / /' < /usr/bin/last | grep "`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'`" is not working in debain because date function show Mar 3 and last have Mar 3 , date show sigle spave and last login have double space |
| 07:51.08 | daltio111 | how i cator this error? |
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| 07:53.02 | dbbolton | kj4 thanks, i guess i misread the description |
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| 07:53.18 | kj4 | dbbolton: np |
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| 08:09.12 | Fantom__ | nsadmin: re |
| 08:09.13 | Fantom__ | epic4 2.6.0 (Plebiscite) + hienoa 0.53 (Linux 2.6.33-ghost x86_64) |
| 08:09.16 | Fantom__ | done |
| 08:09.25 | Fantom__ | :) |
| 08:09.39 | Fantom__ | i have a other problem now |
| 08:09.59 | Fantom__ | Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in '/lib/modules/2.6.33-ghost/source'. Please make |
| 08:10.00 | Fantom__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.05 | Fantom__ | i have headers and source... |
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| 08:15.01 | dbbolton | Fantom__: did you actually install the headers package |
| 08:15.39 | Fantom__ | yes |
| 08:15.55 | Fantom__ | i will fix it |
| 08:15.55 | Fantom__ | bye |
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| 08:17.43 | lxsameer | in which day of week debian testing weekly build ? |
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| 08:21.08 | babilen_zzz | why don't you just take a look at the provided files? no idea off-hand :) |
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| 08:23.21 | babilen | lxsameer: last build was on 01.03.2010 - monday |
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| 08:25.21 | lxsameer | babilen: so there is not a specific day |
| 08:26.00 | babilen | *I* am not aware of one ... |
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| 08:26.37 | babilen | There might very well be one. If there is it would be Sunday/Monday as the last build has a timestamp from 01/03/2010 |
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| 08:26.50 | karsten | Is there any sane way to find out gamma and color temperature of a monitor / laptop display under X11? |
| 08:27.10 | karsten | By way of why: http://aram.xkcd.com/color/ |
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| 08:29.42 | babilen | karsten: try "xgamma" from the "x11-xserver-utils" (you probably have that installed already) |
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| 08:33.19 | karsten | babilen: thanks |
| 08:33.56 | karsten | babilen: And for temperature? |
| 08:34.01 | babilen | no idea :) |
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| 08:34.12 | babilen | which driver are you using? |
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| 08:34.36 | babilen | I know that you can query/set these attributes with the aticonfig program provided by fglrx for example .. |
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| 08:35.04 | babilen | You might also want to ask in #xorg - they should know that. (tell me if you find something) |
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| 08:37.00 | nocturnus | is there a way to offset the pages of a pdf-file to the left by one inch with pdfk? |
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| 08:52.34 | mobidev | hi |
| 08:53.41 | karsten | babilen: ... good question... |
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| 08:53.51 | ethanol | good mornin' all by the way |
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| 08:54.08 | babilen | moin |
| 08:54.13 | karsten | ethanol: the only good morning's a dead morning. |
| 08:54.23 | ethanol | that's harsh |
| 08:54.28 | karsten | notes that it's his favorite time of morning. |
| 08:54.29 | karsten | Night. |
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| 08:55.28 | karsten | babilen: Based on Xorg.0.log: (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, |
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| 08:56.03 | karsten | babilen: damned xorg is too smart and has a minimal conffile these days. |
| 08:56.09 | babilen | ok - not aware of any specific tool for that. |
| 08:56.13 | babilen | hehe |
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| 08:56.34 | karsten | checks xdpyinfo for anything interesting. |
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| 08:58.53 | minus_ | hi, i'm getting this message in the cms status report, GD Image Filtering Low Quality / Poor Performance, could someone point me to a tutorial on how to solve this using Debian, php 5.2.6-1 +lenny 4 ? |
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| 08:59.43 | trone | hello there. As a moroon, I made a "blind" upgrade on debian squeeze and this broken up my tomcat6 distribution (I have a Cocoon framework website , and before upgrade it works well). Someone can help? I don't know exactly wher put my hands... |
| 09:00.35 | trone | I have sun-java6* 6-16 and tomcat6 6.0.24-2 |
| 09:00.47 | nkuttler | trone: well, reinstall the working packages |
| 09:01.19 | trone | nkuttler: I don't know how to make the downgrade... never done. |
| 09:01.49 | nkuttler | trone: dpkg -i the old packages if you still have them, if not, /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 09:02.05 | nkuttler | unless there was a transition there shouldn't be any problems |
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| 09:02.31 | daltio111 | guys any idea? |
| 09:02.39 | daltio111 | how i grep lst logins in deban |
| 09:02.42 | manixor | How can I install the last version of Mozilla Firefox on debian? |
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| 09:03.09 | trone | nkuttler: I see that I have a lot of tomcat* packages in /var/cache/apt/archives. I should launch dpkg -i on that right there? U mean this? |
| 09:03.25 | nkuttler | trone: probably. i don't run java myself. |
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| 09:03.48 | trone | nkuttler: You make really well. |
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| 09:04.52 | trone | nkuttler: from dpkg log I see that 2010-03-03 10:00:49 upgrade libtomcat6-java 6.0.20-9 6.0.24-2 so this lib passed from 6.0.20-9 to 6.0.24-2 ... I try to get up the 6.0.20 |
| 09:05.06 | babilen | manixor: aptitude install iceweasel - or download from the mozilla site and compile/install yourself. Have a look at stow if you want to install into /usr/local |
| 09:05.36 | manixor | babilem icewasel comes with version 3.06 |
| 09:06.23 | babilen | ,versions iceweasel |
| 09:06.25 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.8-1; squeeze: 3.5.8-1 |
| 09:06.50 | caraconan | Hi. When I execute 'alsamixer' and press F4 (capture devices) I see 'L R CAPTURE Mic' in red, and it seems not work. More info: http://pastebin.com/2RZV2zWy. Can someone help me to figure my mic on a Dell D610 laptot? Thanks |
| 09:06.57 | babilen | manixor: You could install 3.5.6 from backports - /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 09:09.33 | manixor | babilen i add this in sources.list deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free, what is the next step, what i need to apt-get install? |
| 09:09.55 | babilen | !bpo |
| 09:09.56 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> |
| 09:10.03 | trone | nkuttler: ok, I downgraded the packages, and check also for java lib.. but doesn't work. I'm... a moroon. |
| 09:10.45 | babilen | manixor: follow these instruction and "aptitude install -t lenny-backports iceweasel" also note the bit about automatic upgrades on the bpo "instructions" site |
| 09:10.52 | babilen | (at the bottom) |
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| 09:17.39 | kj4 | i cant start x on squeeze, running on an intel itx board with intel video |
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| 09:17.57 | kj4 | fatal server error: no screens found |
| 09:18.15 | kj4 | can anyone help me get intel video running? |
| 09:18.29 | babilen | !noscreensfound |
| 09:18.29 | dpkg | i heard no screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>. |
| 09:18.58 | icebrain | sorry |
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| 09:19.15 | babilen | kj4: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log --> pastebin |
| 09:19.25 | kj4 | babilen: ok |
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| 09:23.32 | kj4 | babilen: how do i know the url after i pastebinit? |
| 09:24.13 | babilen | pastebinit should tell you - if you pasted it yourself, it's just the URL of the resulting page |
| 09:24.42 | babilen | kj4: Try http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:25.32 | kj4 | babilen: don |
| 09:25.36 | kj4 | t know how to use that |
| 09:25.47 | kj4 | it just gives bck http://pastebin.com |
| 09:25.53 | babilen | kj4: http://paste.debian.net -> paste into textbox -> send -> paste URL ;) |
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| 09:26.16 | kj4 | ok. |
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| 09:26.58 | RayzrShrp | what do you guys use to deal with people trying to brute force my ssh server? |
| 09:27.02 | kj4 | there are only 2 lines |
| 09:27.17 | RayzrShrp | my logs are flooded with scripts trying to login using different names |
| 09:27.18 | kj4 | EE intel(0) no valid modes |
| 09:27.31 | kj4 | EE screens found, but none have a useable configuration |
| 09:28.41 | themill | RayzrShrp: /msg dpkg fail2ban |
| 09:28.52 | RayzrShrp | themill: so you would suggest fail2ban |
| 09:29.09 | kj4 | EE intel(0) no valid modes |
| 09:29.11 | themill | it's what I use on all my machines |
| 09:29.17 | kj4 | babilen |
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| 09:29.49 | babilen | kj4: Have to go. Try to rconfigure your x server (/msg dpkg xorg config squeeze) good luck |
| 09:29.59 | RayzrShrp | themill: thanks, i've used it before on previous machines but was just wondering if there were new or other ways people dealt with it. I'll get fail2ban running thanks |
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| 09:34.00 | caraconan | Hi. When I execute 'alsamixer' and press F4 (capture devices) I see 'L R CAPTURE Mic' in red, and it seems not work. More info: http://pastebin.com/2RZV2zWy. Can someone help me to figure my mic on a Dell D610 laptot? Thanks |
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| 09:36.01 | kj4 | could a monitor be causing x not to start correctly, due to no valid modes? |
| 09:36.29 | Joint | kj4, nope |
| 09:36.31 | Joint | that's ur video card |
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| 09:37.06 | kj4 | Joint: can you help me fix that, its an integrated intel adaptor |
| 09:37.17 | Joint | look it up |
| 09:37.24 | Joint | i used nvidia |
| 09:38.10 | babilen | kj4: reconfigure xorg - /msg dpkg xorg xonfig {lenny,squeeze} (pick one) |
| 09:38.45 | kj4 | babilen: i did that, it doesn |
| 09:38.47 | kj4 | t work |
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| 09:54.45 | RayzrShrp | ahh feel much better having fail2ban back up and running |
| 09:55.05 | RayzrShrp | i wish i could run into one of these script kittys in a dark alley |
| 09:55.13 | arafangion | How might I troubleshoot wicd failing to connect to the wifi? (It connects fine, but then fails to determine the IP address, the log shows that it's using a dhcp client to determine the IP address but it never actually gets any answer, not unless I reboot) |
| 09:55.23 | arafangion | All otehr computers are fine, only this debian one has the issue. |
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| 09:56.13 | liable | hmm, does dmesg sgow anything? |
| 09:56.27 | liable | if you have to reboot, does reloading the module help too? |
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| 09:57.02 | arafangion | liable: Dmesg didn't show anything out of the ordinary, but reloading the module is an absurdly good idea, I'll try that next time. |
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| 09:57.36 | liable | arafangion: try setting a manual ip in the range the AP gives too. see if that helps |
| 09:57.41 | arafangion | liable: That said, sometimes wicd will manage to connect without a reboot, so I'mg uessing somethign is at play. |
| 09:57.50 | liable | also try running dhclient by itself |
| 09:58.04 | arafangion | liable: I'll give that a go, too. |
| 09:58.10 | liable | and check iwconfig output to see if its actually associated |
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| 10:00.51 | arafangion | liable: Thanks for that, that'll give me a few tools. |
| 10:01.02 | liable | yw |
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| 10:17.04 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to measure how many files on a certain filesystem have changed from timeA to timeB? the idea is to find out, what causes the highest storage consumptions for the backups |
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| 10:19.20 | Origen | Hi All, according to fidisk I have a 12TB volume but when I run "pvcreate TerabytePV /dev/sda" the resulting size according to "pvdisplay" is 10.9TB. Is there overhead accosiated with LVM's? |
| 10:19.25 | joltcan | rdz: List all files to a textfile, then do a diff? |
| 10:19.32 | trone | nkuttler: amazing. I put all the package that I have before the upgrade, but it doens't work. O_O |
| 10:19.39 | rvsjoen | rdz: use find, and count them |
| 10:19.55 | rdz | joltcan, rvsjoen thanks |
| 10:20.19 | rdz | joltcan, rvsjoen would there also be a way to determine how much they have changed? |
| 10:21.01 | babilen | depends on the filetype - diff might suffice |
| 10:21.13 | rvsjoen | assuming you have a copy of the files before and after |
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| 10:21.48 | rvsjoen | ot at least the file sizes |
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| 10:22.20 | rdz | rvsjoen, i have both versions, yes.. so something with 'find' and 'diff' should work... many thanks |
| 10:22.52 | babilen | rdz: What are these files anyway? |
| 10:23.26 | rdz | babilen, files from the whole filesystem |
| 10:23.34 | babilen | alright ... nvm then |
| 10:24.41 | rdz | babilen, i have several openvz containers on a hostnode and they are all backupped together and i would be interested which container consumes how much storage for backups |
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| 10:25.38 | rocketmagnet | hi all, i've plugged in an external hd and gnome did an automount, now my question is where is this directory on the hd ?? |
| 10:25.42 | rocketmagnet | there is nothing in /meda |
| 10:25.45 | rocketmagnet | or /mnt |
| 10:26.45 | babilen | rocketmagnet: type 'mount' - should be in /media though |
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| 10:28.56 | thrashold | gdb |
| 10:29.36 | babilen | gdt (good day thrashold) |
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| 10:31.04 | gigo | can I install the man pages of C++ functions on my Debian Squeeze? |
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| 10:32.31 | karme | gigo: libstdc++XXXX-doc: |
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| 10:35.10 | nocturnus | how do I use a postscript preload? |
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| 10:35.41 | tedo | I switched last machine from Ubuntu to Debian, and that last is my laptop. I have two questions... |
| 10:36.06 | tedo | Is there some way to install OO.o 3.2 over repos? |
| 10:36.18 | tedo | *upgrade |
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| 10:37.15 | babilen | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 10:37.16 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; squeeze: 1:3.1.1-16; sid: 1:3.2.0-2 |
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| 10:37.41 | tedo | squeeze (testing) |
| 10:37.57 | babilen | tedo: You could install 3.1 from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) or try to backport it yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) from sid |
| 10:39.04 | babilen | tedo: Ah, ok. Than either stay with 3.1 (check the bugs that keep the package in unstable), install it manually, or backport it |
| 10:39.05 | tedo | thanks! but there said "lenny-backports" |
| 10:39.21 | tedo | aha |
| 10:39.24 | tedo | ok |
| 10:39.25 | babilen | tedo: yes - I was assuming you are running Debian stable |
| 10:39.51 | tedo | I'll stick with 3.1.1 until it gets to repos |
| 10:39.59 | rocketmagnet | babilen: doesnt'show mw the drive , is there a way to se all usb devices with their properties (like manufactor, etc) ` |
| 10:40.16 | babilen | !why is openoffice.org not in testing |
| 10:40.17 | dpkg | openoffice.org is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org |
| 10:40.21 | babilen | tedo: ^^^^ |
| 10:40.33 | babilen | tedo: Wise decision :) |
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| 10:41.18 | tedo | babilen: thanks a lot! |
| 10:41.32 | tedo | babilen: maybe second q? |
| 10:41.33 | babilen | rocketmagnet: lsusb might provide some information. You can also open the drive in nautilus and check the path (CTRL-L) |
| 10:41.36 | babilen | tedo: sure |
| 10:41.47 | babilen | rocketmagnet: Are you sure that it is mounted? |
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| 10:42.40 | tedo | when I initiate shutdown, OS just close X, not realy shutdown, so in GDM I must once again tell OS to shutdown |
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| 10:42.53 | tedo | babilen: when I initiate shutdown, OS just close X, not realy shutdown, so in GDM I must once again tell OS to shutdown |
| 10:43.07 | tedo | babilen: same with reboot |
| 10:43.21 | tedo | babilen: is it normal behavior for debian? |
| 10:43.34 | babilen | how do you initiate shutdown? |
| 10:43.40 | edgimar | Is there a way in one's apt.conf file to specify an Architecture to use for a specific source? |
| 10:43.40 | karme | s |
| 10:43.40 | rocketmagnet | babilen: hmmm... i get "computer:///" als loction with ctrl- in nautilus |
| 10:43.43 | babilen | from within gnome? |
| 10:43.54 | tedo | babilen: yes |
| 10:43.55 | babilen | rocketmagnet: navigate to your external harddrive |
| 10:44.06 | tedo | babilen: main menu, shutdown |
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| 10:44.47 | rocketmagnet | babilen: it's on the first screen on nautilus |
| 10:44.56 | rocketmagnet | where i see all drives |
| 10:45.21 | babilen | tedo: I guess you are not a member of the correct groups ... |
| 10:45.25 | babilen | !desktop groups |
| 10:45.25 | dpkg | The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (usb disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>. |
| 10:45.45 | babilen | tedo: ^^^^ check that you are a member of these groups (powerdev in particular) |
| 10:46.11 | tedo | babilen: i'll check and let you know |
| 10:46.22 | babilen | rocketmagnet: navigate to to, (open a folder) and CTRL-L should give you that folders location on the filesystem |
| 10:46.33 | babilen | rocketmagnet: s/to to/to it/ |
| 10:47.02 | babilen | brb -> :-Q |
| 10:48.06 | babilen | rocketmagnet: and still: it should be mounted to /media and 'mount' should show it .. |
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| 10:48.50 | babilen | tedo: /msg dpkg <topic> to get more information from dpkg while i'm away - good luck |
| 10:49.05 | rocketmagnet | babilen: what's 'computer:///' for a locatoin ??? |
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| 10:51.22 | azeem | does GMA4500 work on lenny? |
| 10:52.03 | babilen | rocketmagnet: nautilus should open your home directory as default (/home/<username>) - navigate to the USB drive .. (computer:/// is a nautilusism for "Everything the user might care about") |
| 10:52.24 | babilen | not a specific folder |
| 10:52.45 | babilen | you should see the drive, click it and CTRL-L |
| 10:52.51 | babilen | brb |
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| 10:55.42 | daltio111 | guys i want to write a script |
| 10:56.52 | robbe- | the shrink is over there ----> |
| 10:57.51 | JPT | err |
| 10:59.15 | iceroot | daltio111: vim myscript is the best start |
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| 11:00.40 | daltio111 | hey |
| 11:01.04 | daltio111 | i am doing last > /var/log/loginlog |
| 11:01.16 | daltio111 | cat /var/log/loginlog |grep -E "$ask" > /var/log/loginlog1 |
| 11:01.36 | babilen | useless use of cat, but pray continue |
| 11:02.04 | daltio111 | but today is Mar 3 and Mar 3 have 2 spaces abd date function gives mar 3 with single space so i am not getting todays login logs |
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| 11:03.23 | edgimar | Is there a way to override the architecture used for an entry in sources.list ? |
| 11:03.54 | petemc | where in sources.list is arch specified? |
| 11:04.21 | edgimar | nowhere, normally. |
| 11:05.22 | liable | and why on earth would you want to over ride it? |
| 11:05.22 | edgimar | There is a default compiled into apt, but this can be *globally* overridden in apt.conf . |
| 11:05.22 | babilen | petemc: dpkg --print-architecture (shouldn't you know this?) |
| 11:05.22 | liable | should he? |
| 11:05.22 | edgimar | Because I have an lpia architecture as default, and would like to use a source which has only i386 packages available. |
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| 11:06.04 | pred2k3 | hi |
| 11:06.16 | babilen | liable, petemc: nvm - nick confusion |
| 11:06.17 | pred2k3 | what happened to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 11:06.17 | liable | edgimar: to cross compile, or try for your arch? |
| 11:06.26 | babilen | petemc: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:06.35 | edgimar | my processor will run either lpia or i386. |
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| 11:06.48 | liable | wth is lpia anyway? |
| 11:06.53 | liable | never heard of it |
| 11:06.54 | edgimar | dpkg default is lpia. I want to use an i386 repo. |
| 11:06.55 | dpkg | ...but default is already something else... |
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| 11:07.19 | edgimar | "low-power intel architecture" -- used on some netbooks. |
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| 11:07.39 | liable | and theres actually a debian arch for that? |
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| 11:08.21 | liable | edgimar: do that dpkg thing ^^ that babilen suggested |
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| 11:08.25 | liable | whats it print? |
| 11:08.28 | babilen | I am not aware of that architecture. What does dpkg --print-architecture give you, petemc/ |
| 11:08.34 | edgimar | liable: lpia |
| 11:08.42 | liable | babilen: its edgimar you want to ask |
| 11:08.44 | babilen | yes |
| 11:08.49 | babilen | jsut realised it :) |
| 11:09.03 | pred2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.13 | jelly | edgimar: that doesn't really sound like debian |
| 11:09.14 | liable | hmm |
| 11:09.52 | jelly | edgimar: in any case, deb-src lines are not arch-specific (in Debian) |
| 11:09.53 | babilen | edgimar: You are sure that you are not running Ubuntu? |
| 11:09.57 | edgimar | it might be an ubuntu-specific arch, but the question remains -- is there no way to, on a repository-by-repository basis, override the architecture? |
| 11:09.59 | liable | if its lpia, i cant see why it wouldnt be 686 still |
| 11:10.20 | jelly | edgimar: source repos do not depend on architecture |
| 11:10.42 | liable | go ask #ubuntu if you are using ubuntu |
| 11:11.07 | liable | seriously |
| 11:11.52 | liable | how many times do we need to tell ubuntu people that it isn't the same distro |
| 11:12.01 | edgimar | jelly: right, -- I'm trying to use Google's chrome repo, but don't think they have a source repo there. |
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| 11:12.38 | edgimar | I am a former Debian user -- it isn't the same distro, but the package manager is the same, and that is what I'm asking about, since most ubuntu people are clueless about dpkg and apt. |
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| 11:13.15 | jelly | edgimar: ubuntu changes their dpkg and apt. We don't know if arch overriding is possible. |
| 11:13.30 | liable | gets the itchy factoid finger |
| 11:13.46 | babilen | edgimar: go to #ubuntu - use Debian if you want support here. |
| 11:13.51 | arafangion | liable: Give it to me, I'm curious. (And yes, I'm now officially damned for saying that) |
| 11:13.52 | jelly | edgimar: find and read the multiarch page on their wiki, it's instructive |
| 11:14.13 | edgimar | jelly: really? do you know in what ways that dpkg/apt is different between the two? |
| 11:14.35 | liable | check ubuntu's changelog |
| 11:14.52 | jelly | edgimar: I don;t know the details. They did have triggers first. |
| 11:14.59 | liable | debian doesnt patch it, they make it |
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| 11:15.24 | jelly | edgimar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec |
| 11:15.53 | jelly | (also, lpia is phased out and won't be there at all in 10.04) |
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| 11:16.48 | edgimar | jelly: that's true, and I'll also be abondoning it at some point, but for now, I'm looking for a band-aid... |
| 11:16.50 | jelly | apparently Canonical didn't have the manpower to support it properly, which is kinda sad |
| 11:17.27 | jelly | edgimar: eh, download packages manually and use --force-architecture with dpkg -i |
| 11:17.37 | edgimar | I don't think it's really a big loss - from what I understand, the performance increase isn't that substantial, and it's rather vendor specific. |
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| 11:18.03 | edgimar | jelly: already done; was looking for something to make updating possible. |
| 11:18.07 | edgimar | (automatic) |
| 11:18.12 | tedo | babilen: Lanchtime over ;) (for me). I (my username) was in all those groups, so I put it more in sudo and root groups and now shutdown works... weird |
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| 11:19.22 | trone | Is possibile in squeeze get tomcat5 (at place of 6)? |
| 11:19.23 | jelly | edgimar: right, you'll have to ask in #ubuntu about that |
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| 11:22.02 | cusco | !why is icedove not on testing? |
| 11:22.04 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, cusco |
| 11:22.07 | cusco | :/ |
| 11:23.10 | babilen | !tell cusco -about why is icedove not in testing |
| 11:23.53 | babilen | !tell cusco -about selftell |
| 11:24.18 | cusco | I know self tell |
| 11:24.32 | cusco | I just tried it before and I forgot the syntaxto get the link |
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| 11:34.55 | Fantom__ | how can i use --kernel-source-path ? |
| 11:35.51 | Fantom__ | ./nvidia-install --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.33-ghost is that correct? |
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| 11:53.18 | tedo | sadly, there is no simple-ccsm package in Debian - must set manually compiz |
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| 11:59.14 | Fantom__ | cps0: cannot create regular file `/lib/udev/rules.d/': Is a directory |
| 11:59.14 | Fantom__ | make: *** [install-scripts] Error 1 |
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| 12:03.32 | nsadmin | you shouldn't be installing things in places where debian has control unless you know what you're doing |
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| 12:08.07 | SoleSoul | Hello. Why does Debian use rsyslog and not syslog-ng? any technical reason or it's just because of licencing problems? |
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| 12:09.07 | d-b | SoleSoul: because |
| 12:09.25 | streuner | judd, versions syslog-ng |
| 12:09.27 | judd | syslog-ng -- etch: 2.0.0-1etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0-1etch1; etch-backports: 2.0.6-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.0.9-4.1; sid: 2.0.9-4.2; squeeze: 2.0.9-4.2; experimental: 3.0.1-1 |
| 12:09.34 | arafangion | d-b: You forgot to use a capital 'B' and a full-stop at the end. :) |
| 12:09.48 | streuner | so lizens problems arent the reason... |
| 12:10.07 | d-b | arafangion: meh |
| 12:10.43 | jelly | SoleSoul: defaults are defaults are defaults |
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| 12:10.52 | d-b | SoleSoul: in lenny rsyslog is the default iirc in etch it was syslog-ng |
| 12:11.09 | jelly | d-b: in etch it was syslogd + klogd |
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| 12:11.59 | jelly | rsyslog is more compatible with the previous one, while -ng has completely different configuration |
| 12:12.49 | d-b | jelly: ah yes mm must have been ubuntu who had it then |
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| 12:13.19 | yq | What package should I install to mount FAT32 stuff? |
| 12:13.25 | yq | autofs? |
| 12:13.27 | jelly | d-b: if a distro switched to -ng I'd see no reason to ever change it again |
| 12:13.31 | nvz | yq: love the hostname.. hah. thats interesting to say the least. |
| 12:13.32 | jelly | yq: dosfstools |
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| 12:13.40 | yq | nvz :( |
| 12:13.43 | yq | jelly ah thanks |
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| 12:14.24 | jelly | yq: or you can mount it right away |
| 12:14.28 | nvz | yq: you really don't need any packages to mount a FAT32 partition |
| 12:14.50 | nvz | yq: the kernel has a vfat driver for mounting fat partitions |
| 12:15.02 | yq | Yeah I just realised that, I had misspelled vfat... |
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| 12:16.57 | nsadmin | veephat? |
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| 12:24.07 | R00p1e | hi all |
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| 12:35.46 | cusco | isn't icedove available in testing 64 bits? |
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| 12:40.09 | themill | ,versions icedove --arch amd64 |
| 12:40.11 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; sid: 2.0.0.22-1.1; experimental: 3.0.2-1 |
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| 12:45.04 | ambuli | is there any way to retrieve the latest record from query set excluding a particular record ? |
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| 12:46.56 | cusco | themill: weird, apt-cache isn't finding icedove |
| 12:46.57 | cusco | :/ |
| 12:47.30 | themill | cusco: perhaps pastebin your sources.list and the output of "aptitude update; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy icedove" |
| 12:47.37 | jelly | ambuli: are you sure you're in the correct channel? |
| 12:48.18 | ambuli | jelly, , i am really sorry. debian, django confused. :). |
| 12:48.20 | cusco | themill: http://paste.debian.net/62233/ |
| 12:48.38 | jelly | ambuli: it happens to the worst of us |
| 12:48.56 | themill | cusco: umm... you don't have a full mirror anywhere in there. |
| 12:48.56 | cusco | apt-cache policy comes almost blank: (none) |
| 12:49.02 | cusco | hu? |
| 12:49.18 | cusco | ouch sorry |
| 12:49.22 | cusco | you are right |
| 12:49.22 | themill | :) |
| 12:49.28 | cusco | dumb me |
| 12:49.55 | themill | cusco: you probably don't really want t-p-u either for the most part and you of course know that there is currently no security support for testing (though the entry does no harm) |
| 12:50.53 | cusco | t-p-u ? |
| 12:51.08 | jelly | testing-proposed-updates |
| 12:51.12 | cusco | ah! |
| 12:51.33 | cusco | as the entrie exists, i thought it would be proposed from unstable ... heh |
| 12:52.05 | cusco | cheers |
| 12:52.42 | themill | no, it's packages that are proposed to go directly into testing without going via unstable -- only used in very rare circumstances when there is a real need to upload a package directly into testing that would otherwise be blocked by a transition going on |
| 12:53.19 | stuckey | I'm having some trouble with xsane. It looks like this when I open the preview window: http://jhstuckey.com/Screenshot-2.png |
| 12:54.36 | cusco | i see |
| 12:54.42 | cusco | thanks for enlightment themill |
| 12:54.46 | themill | np |
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| 13:01.35 | tedo | hm, I thought there would be a problem with compiz and 3d settings. Is there some web site with instruction how to set it up? (debian testing) |
| 13:02.08 | tedo | all what I found googling was fiasko |
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| 13:04.06 | tedo | ATI Technologies Inc RV516 [Mobility Radeon X1350], worked great @ Ubuntu |
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| 13:05.13 | tedo | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:11.44 | RayzrShrp | morning |
| 13:11.47 | balsat | msg nickserv register thepope kllunding@gmail.com |
| 13:12.33 | NiLon | balsat it's suggested to put slash front of commands ;) |
| 13:12.45 | jpinx-eeepc | balsat: fail - miserably |
| 13:12.51 | balsat | lol yep |
| 13:13.05 | jpinx-eeepc | balsat: now change your pwd ;) |
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| 13:24.39 | _KaszpiR_ | any awk guru? how to get last parameter from the text line? |
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| 13:24.54 | Riviera | awk '{ print $NF }' |
| 13:24.59 | Riviera | there's #awk, by the way. |
| 13:25.46 | _KaszpiR_ | awwww right, i forgot, thanks |
| 13:26.02 | _KaszpiR_ | was always forgetting the $NF |
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| 13:30.46 | chops1 | I'm now trying to set up apache authenticating against LDAP (Active Directory), and I get mysterious failures... looking at the packet capture I see a bindRequest() for an administrative account, followed by a bindResponse() success, followed by a searchRequest(), followed by an error "00000000: LdapErr: DSID-0C090627, comment: In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection., data 0, vece". |
| 13:31.43 | lucascarvalho | I have a debian package with several .py files. After installation some .pyc are generated automatically. So when I try to remove the package using dpkg, the .pyc files are not removed. How can I remove such files automatically? |
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| 13:32.35 | chops1 | Hm, interesting... the authentication information is missing from the bindRequest(). Maybe that bindSuccess doesn't actually mean a successful bind... :-/ |
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| 13:33.31 | chops1 | Ah, yes, it does help if I provide a bind password in the apache config |
| 13:34.16 | jelly | chops1: you will probably also have fun if you try useing ldaps w/ selfsigned certs |
| 13:34.21 | DipSwitch | good morning folks! |
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| 13:35.24 | chops1 | jelly: I'm going to try unencrypted for now and ldaps later if I get ambitious |
| 13:35.42 | chops1 | But yes, I do have selfsigned certs, and that's been all sorts of fun so far |
| 13:36.14 | DipSwitch | I have a problem with grub, i just installed debian on a system (dual boot with win7) so i installed debian in the end but grub screwed up. So no I rebooted the install cd but when i try to invoke grub-installer --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/mapper/.... |
| 13:36.28 | DipSwitch | it says wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
| 13:36.38 | DipSwitch | also tried hd0 and /dev/sda etc |
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| 13:37.02 | chops1 | I spent about half a day banging my head against a wall until some kind soul here pointed out that I needed to give PAM the fake CA cert, _not_ simply the AD server's public cert. |
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| 13:37.59 | RedTide | hi |
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| 13:39.28 | simonrvn | nothing fake about it, it's just not a third party. |
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| 13:39.43 | jelly | chops1: we've just gone with "tls_checkpeer no" |
| 13:40.33 | simonrvn | i offer the public ca cert, well, publicly. |
| 13:40.59 | shtrb | Anyone from IL with a spare working mobile phone ? - http://bit.ly/bc0dcr (will trade my not so working car for a mobile phone) |
| 13:41.16 | simonrvn | this isn't #craigslist |
| 13:41.23 | RedTide | what is required for an application to be part of your distribuition? |
| 13:42.16 | chops1 | Well, now it authenticates successfully (the second bind with my user's credentials is successful according to the packet capture), but apache still refuses me access, saying that the password is incorrect. |
| 13:42.20 | rvsjoen | sell your car and buy a phone, then get drunk for the leftovers |
| 13:42.23 | shtrb | simonrvn, craiglist ain't so puplar in IL |
| 13:42.44 | shtrb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.44 | Stereo | RedTide: it has to be free according to the debian free software guidelines, there has to be someone willing to maintain it, and you have to send me some chocolate |
| 13:43.24 | RedTide | I think I miss only a way to dcc you a chocolate then :p |
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| 13:50.33 | rvsjoen | lucascarvalho: try dpkg -P |
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| 13:51.01 | lucascarvalho | rvsjoen: ok. |
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| 13:52.11 | DipSwitch | I have a problem with grub, i just installed debian on a system (dual boot with win7) so i installed debian in the end but grub screwed up. So no I rebooted the install cd but when i try to invoke grub-installer --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/mapper/.... |
| 13:52.15 | DipSwitch | it says wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path> |
| 13:52.17 | DipSwitch | also tried hd0 and /dev/sda etc |
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| 13:54.25 | DipSwitch | i'm using hardware firmware raid so also use dmraid |
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| 14:00.34 | macrobat | "/mnt/boot /dev/mapper/" look like two args |
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| 14:15.17 | KatchaFire | hello ! how do I set a french environment for one user and a spanish one for another ? |
| 14:16.14 | gego | hi there. i've got a problem installing lenny on an ASROCK ALiveNF7G. netinst hangs after tasksel. |
| 14:16.24 | simonrvn | !locales |
| 14:16.24 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 14:16.40 | gego | i used the same install CD on some other machines w/o problem |
| 14:18.04 | smhar | I have a small home network with a lenny server. it has 2 harddisks, hda and hdc, /boot and the kernels are in hdc2 but every time the system reboots the grub menu shows hda2. I edited the grub menu file several times but the next boot it changes. what to do? |
| 14:19.00 | sep | smhar, look for the line saying # kopt in meny.lst |
| 14:19.09 | sep | once you edit that line run update-grub |
| 14:19.15 | sep | reading the comments in the file also helps |
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| 14:21.23 | macrobat | smhar: don't edit the uncommented automagick part. you can also use uuid or labels for the partitions. ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 14:21.35 | lucascarvalho | rvsjoen: does not work dude! |
| 14:21.41 | lucascarvalho | do you have any other idea? |
| 14:21.53 | visof | hi i can't find xen under debian ? |
| 14:22.04 | visof | is the package name is xen ? |
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| 14:23.31 | gh0st_ | why when it boots my kernel lists with devices it shows normally but after line "entering run level" it shows on other tty ?!? |
| 14:23.51 | gh0st_ | it uses 2 tty for listing |
| 14:24.36 | macrobat | gh0st_: maybe you have a special /etc/inittab |
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| 14:28.51 | gh0st_ | macrobat: i know, but i don't know what i need to change there |
| 14:29.29 | macrobat | you pastebin it and maybe someone will know |
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| 14:33.57 | gh0st_ | http://paste.debian.net/62252/ |
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| 14:34.43 | gh0st_ | macrobat: done |
| 14:34.51 | rpgdude | hey everyone, i am having difficulty using ssh with mdns |
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| 14:35.09 | rpgdude | it never seems to resolve my hostname |
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| 14:35.59 | abrotman | rpgdude: is the host presenting itself or whatever it's called ? |
| 14:36.12 | abrotman | worst phrasing ever .. ignoreme |
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| 14:38.08 | rpgdude | i cant really test it right now since the problem happens on my netbook which is at home |
| 14:38.24 | rpgdude | i was just wondering if i was missing a package or something |
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| 14:40.20 | rpgdude | i try using $ ssh hostname.local |
| 14:40.36 | rpgdude | it works on the mac, but not on my debian netbook |
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| 14:42.01 | petemc | rpgdude: check /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 14:42.05 | lmaowaffle | hi guys, what's the best way to go about tracking specific packages from experimental on a squeeze system? |
| 14:42.20 | lmaowaffle | im essentially after mesa and radeon packages from experimental |
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| 14:43.06 | rpgdude | patemc: on the client or server? |
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| 14:43.28 | petemc | rpgdude: cliennt |
| 14:43.33 | petemc | spelled correctly |
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| 14:43.39 | rpgdude | what should i look for? |
| 14:44.00 | petemc | mdns |
| 14:44.04 | rpgdude | k |
| 14:44.11 | rpgdude | i will take a look tonight |
| 14:44.15 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 14:45.59 | gernot | Hi. Is there a security risk in piping sensitive data? More specifically: is decrypting a keyfile with gpg and piping it to cryptsetup safe? |
| 14:46.15 | gh0st_ | who can help |
| 14:46.18 | gh0st_ | http://paste.debian.net/62252/ |
| 14:46.27 | gh0st_ | why when it boots my kernel lists with devices it shows normally but after line "entering run level" it shows on other tty ?!? |
| 14:46.33 | gh0st_ | why when it boots my kernel lists with devices it shows normally but after line "entering run level" it shows on other tty on boot? |
| 14:46.40 | gh0st_ | ops |
| 14:46.51 | gh0st_ | it uses 2 tty for listing on boot |
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| 14:49.34 | fggs | after the latest upgrade of squeeze, it said acroread was obsolete and now it isn't working anymore as expected.. is there a replacement for it? |
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| 14:49.49 | rpgdude | yes |
| 14:49.57 | rpgdude | fggs: evince |
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| 14:50.17 | rpgdude | acroread is non-free |
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| 14:51.17 | fggs | rpgdude, I have non-free lines in sources.list.. but it didn't install it anymore |
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| 14:54.32 | jelly | fggs: debian-multimedia repos now need a non-free part in addition to main |
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| 14:54.47 | jelly | judd: versions acroread |
| 14:54.48 | judd | acroread -- etch-multimedia: 8.1.3-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 8.1.7-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.1-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.3.1-0.0 |
| 14:54.51 | fggs | jelly, humm thanks |
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| 14:56.26 | fggs | jelly, yes, that solved everything, you are the man! |
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| 14:56.59 | titan8990 | I am using ssh to cat /var/log/messages on another host... If i cat the file using xfce4-terminal, the 2nd half of the file is as if I cat'ed a binary and it destoys my shell. xterm does not give this behavior. Any ideas on what would cause something like that? Its only the most recent /var/log/messages and logrotates' email contained a large ammount of white-space which made me suspicious of the file in the first place |
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| 14:59.22 | gh0st_ | i see dead people... |
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| 15:01.01 | jelly | titan8990: if you redirect the output into a local file, and cat that, does the same thing happen? |
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| 15:02.49 | titan8990 | jelly: yes |
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| 15:05.33 | titan8990 | jelly: alright, opening up in a gui text editor I see a couple failed logins with usernames of non-ascii characters |
| 15:05.33 | titan8990 | jelly: I assume thats what causes it.. but not quite sure i understand why it destroys my xfce4 term but not xterm |
| 15:05.50 | jelly | titan8990: a good question for debian-xfce or xfce people |
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| 15:06.07 | manixor | My sound on Debian is very low comparative with Windows, what can be the problem? |
| 15:06.19 | lmaowaffle | if i were to track sid, i no longer need security updates repo in sources.lst, right? |
| 15:06.50 | babilen | manixor: run alsamixer and adjust the levels |
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| 15:06.55 | jelly | lmaowaffle: there would be virtually no security updates appliable, since all the versions already installed would be newer |
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| 15:08.33 | manixor | babilen I grow all up, but steel low, can be other problem? |
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| 15:09.16 | babilen | manixor: no idea - never experienced that and haven't used windows in ages. |
| 15:09.29 | manixor | babilen OK, thanks. |
| 15:09.35 | babilen | manixor: So i have no comparison and never tried to "fix" it |
| 15:09.52 | OperaFan | Hi, running Debian SID on ARM (Sheevaplug), and my Lighttpd stopped working today, possibly after an update. Is there somewhere I can check for known bugs? |
| 15:09.53 | OperaFan | My error: Starting web server: lighttpd2010-03-03 15:09:35: (network.c.529) SSL: error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) |
| 15:10.12 | babilen | manixor: You are sure that you adjusted *all* applicable mixers? Not only the Master one? (PCM comes to mind) |
| 15:10.30 | babilen | OperaFan: Check the BTS |
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| 15:10.52 | OperaFan | url? |
| 15:10.58 | babilen | !tell OperaFan -about bts |
| 15:11.07 | manixor | babile Yes, all are on the top. |
| 15:11.13 | babilen | OperaFan: Are you sure you want to run sid? |
| 15:11.22 | BlessJah | hi, i'm currently installing debian, so i can't check it, whats the differcence between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 15:11.25 | babilen | manixor: alright, dunno then. sorry :( |
| 15:11.44 | OperaFan | ahh,.,,, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572031 |
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| 15:12.05 | OperaFan | babilen, current Debain is too out of date.... |
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| 15:12.22 | babilen | BlessJah: linux-image-2.6-* is a meta package that depends on the lates applicable linux-image-2.6.XX package |
| 15:12.31 | manixor | babilen maybe I start to be deaf. :) |
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| 15:12.51 | BlessJah | babilen: and what is trunk? |
| 15:12.52 | titan8990 | OperaFan: too out of date for what? then why not choose a bleeding-edge distro if thats what you desire? |
| 15:12.53 | babilen | OperaFan: You might want to consider testing |
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| 15:13.19 | babilen | OperaFan: Or a different distribution (e.g. Ubuntu) |
| 15:14.13 | OperaFan | babilen: Ubuntu stopped supporting ARMV5 ?:-( |
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| 15:14.46 | OperaFan | the reason why everyone with Sheevaplug is dumping Ubuntu and moving to Debian |
| 15:15.18 | BlessJah | ... another question, what is NIS environment? (question about shadow passwords) |
| 15:15.19 | Barre | thinking about building a solution on a DL180G6 from HP, I know there are driver support for the DL300/500 series from HP. But 100-series is built on another motherboard/chip-set. Anyone with experiance running debian on dl180? |
| 15:15.28 | babilen | Ah, right. You are running it on the sheevaplug. titan8990's question is still valid: "Too out of date for what?" |
| 15:15.53 | babilen | !tell BlessJah -about nis |
| 15:15.54 | hyperzid | What steps should be taken to ensure that the kernel isnt switched out when upgrading from one release to another? |
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| 15:16.03 | babilen | BlessJah: I would assume that you don't want that |
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| 15:16.21 | babilen | BlessJah: And *yes* you want shadowed passwords :) |
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| 15:17.07 | BlessJah | babilen: thx, i'm writing from tty2 so i have no chance to look for answers |
| 15:17.26 | negge | I have a server which I want to be able to SSH into, but not from. I tried removing openssh-client but apt insists on removing openssh-server as well |
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| 15:17.39 | negge | how can I remove just the client bit? |
| 15:17.40 | babilen | BlessJah: Alright |
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| 15:18.20 | OperaFan | Many of the packages are now obsolete versions, for example Transmission and things. like v1.75 and the web interface is totally busted. (works fine in 1.9x). What may be "stable" may be broken beyond repair for others... |
| 15:19.05 | lmaowaffle | negge: what if u enforce some ridiculous security requirements for outbound ssh? |
| 15:19.20 | babilen | BlessJah: You should still be able to switch windows with "/window" (if using irssi at least), "/msg dpkg <topic>" and close the window with "/wc" |
| 15:19.40 | BlessJah | babilen: i didn't know about this bot |
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| 15:20.20 | BlessJah | babilen: i've got irssi sessiong on a shell, thanks for info |
| 15:20.26 | babilen | BlessJah: That's why I'm telling you how to retrieve that information and switch windows even if the ALT-{1-9} thing does not work for you |
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| 15:21.53 | BlessJah | babilen: i know how to change window, i only haven't knew about bot xD |
| 15:23.12 | babilen | !tell BlessJah -about dpkgbot |
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| 15:24.30 | BlessJah | but i also told that i'm chating thanks to ssh and irssi session, so i cant use web browser (no free terminals) |
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| 15:26.29 | negge | lmaowaffle: yeah well I could just use iptables to block outgoing SSH altogether |
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| 15:26.41 | negge | that's what I'm thinking of doing anyway if it's not possible to remove the SSH client |
| 15:26.42 | babilen | sounds like a plan |
| 15:27.25 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 15:27.25 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 15:28.17 | babilen | negge: openssh-server depends on openssh-client, so you won't be able to remove the client |
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| 15:29.00 | trone | nkuttler: I've seen this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572048 |
| 15:29.21 | negge | babilen: I see |
| 15:29.40 | pawbie | babilen: You could always just remove the binary, or link it to something nonsensical. Why are you trying to remove it, anyway? |
| 15:29.47 | janolap1 | hi, I'm trying to restaure my debian box from a system backup (tar.gz) on a Virtual machine. I have the error message "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open /dev/console: No such file" and a kernel panic. I have read that it could be a pb with RAM disk. Anyone to help me ? |
| 15:30.03 | janolap1 | restaure=restore |
| 15:30.19 | Touma | who install tacacs in debian lenny ? |
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| 15:32.56 | babilen | pawbie: it's negge - i just told him/her that it is not possible to remove openssh-client and keeping openssh-server, because the latter depends on the former |
| 15:33.12 | babilen | Touma: People who want to use tacacs |
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| 15:33.48 | pawbie | negge: Why would you want to get rid of the ssh client? |
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| 15:34.36 | gh0st_ | i need cool kde mixer |
| 15:34.41 | gh0st_ | someone to know? |
| 15:34.42 | \amethyst | pawbie: 10:17:26 < negge> I have a server which I want to be able to SSH into, but not from. |
| 15:34.55 | gh0st_ | who have full options for volume/pcm/pcm2, etc. ? |
| 15:35.02 | \amethyst | pawbie: even if you could, blocking it with iptables is still the only safe way |
| 15:35.10 | pawbie | negge: iptables to block outbound to 22 or just remove the client. |
| 15:35.17 | \amethyst | pawbie: after all, someone could just scp in their own openssh client |
| 15:35.35 | ctuininga | Exim question. Just dist-upgraded from Etch to Lenny and since then it appears that MUA clients that worked fine before are suddenly trying to "jump the gun" and send EHLO before Exim has sent them the banner, leading to: "SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting)". What can I do about this? :/ |
| 15:35.43 | \amethyst | pawbie: as negge noted, Debian won't let you remove openssh-client and keep openssh-server, as the latter depends on the former |
| 15:35.56 | chops1 | So just to verify -- there isn't any supported way to install the unstable 2.3 branch of apache onto Lenny, right? |
| 15:36.06 | gh0st_ | who knows? |
| 15:36.07 | ctuininga | The clients range from Thunderbird, to Evolution, to Outlook, etc.... |
| 15:36.15 | pawbie | \amethyst: Or wget an ssh client, etc, etc ,etc. I don't mean remove the *package*, I meant remove the binary. So we're back in a circle - iptables to block it |
| 15:36.18 | babilen | ctuininga: No idea - But is there something in the release notes about this? |
| 15:36.30 | ctuininga | I didn't see anything |
| 15:36.34 | babilen | ok |
| 15:36.49 | \amethyst | chops1: there is no supported way to install apache2.3 in any version of debian |
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| 15:37.14 | \amethyst | chops1: it's not in sid, or even in experimental |
| 15:37.55 | chops1 | \amethyst: k, thanks |
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| 15:39.44 | babilen | ctuininga: hang on - you might want to ask in #exim in the meanwhile |
| 15:40.33 | ctuininga | babilen: I'll give it a try, but they tend to be very "Oh ... you're using Debian? They do it all weird - go ask the Debian folks" |
| 15:40.37 | ctuininga | :) |
| 15:40.50 | babilen | ctuininga: I know :) - It's worth a try though |
| 15:41.02 | chops1 | Hm; I want to have mod_authnz_ldap from 2.3 (it has a new directive that would be very useful). Is my best option to get the lenny package, fool with upgrading just that module (or maybe even just patching in that directive, ugh), and install a locally-compiled version? |
| 15:41.43 | chops1 | Or maybe just to divert that module from 2.2, and then install a locally-compiled one by hand, so I can still get apache security updates... |
| 15:42.01 | gothenburg | wow |
| 15:43.47 | gothenburg | if I installed a separate *.deb-file |
| 15:44.02 | gothenburg | is it only to download and dpkg -i to upgrade? |
| 15:44.05 | babilen | ctuininga: Found this (but this somehow feels not right): http://old.nabble.com/Exim4,-can%27t-send-mail-with-SSL-TLS-after-upgrade-from-Sarge-to-Lenny--td21923211.html |
| 15:44.11 | gothenburg | fore? |
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| 15:44.35 | macrobat | you dl and install the new version, gothenburg |
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| 15:44.57 | gothenburg | ok |
| 15:45.43 | ctuininga | babilen: Possible ... worth playing with |
| 15:45.51 | macrobat | and the old one will be uninstalled if the .deb is good |
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| 15:48.35 | cdog69 | ok, so im logged into terminal as my user and im trying to create a directory in my var/www (a new web site location), but it tells me permission denied... and when I do sudo (don't even understand why I have to), it make the owner/group root:root. Why can't i do simple tasks like create a directory or a file without first doing sudo, why is everything dependant on sudo and if so, why not... |
| 15:48.36 | cdog69 | ...just do everything as root? |
| 15:49.15 | babilen | ctuininga: Did you keep the old config, or configured exim from scratch? Any news from #exim? Can't really find applicable information on this. But it's weird that you are the first to run into this. |
| 15:49.29 | titan8990 | cdog69: sudo is not even installed by default, so essentially nothing like that is "dependant on sudo" |
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| 15:49.52 | wols | cdog69: it's a very importan security precaution. do NOT run constantly as root |
| 15:50.04 | titan8990 | cdog69: adding your user to the www-data group might help, but I am not sure if that is considered "proper" |
| 15:50.06 | wols | anything outside of your home directory is not available to you for writing |
| 15:50.10 | ctuininga | babilen: Yeah - the config I have is pretty "from scratch" now. The only comment from #exim so far is "imho that's rather a client issue..." :) |
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| 15:50.28 | babilen | ctuininga: *sigh* |
| 15:50.29 | ctuininga | babilen: I think your link may have something though ... just a minute |
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| 15:55.32 | \amethyst | cdog69: you might want to change the permissions on /var/www/ to give your user permission to write to that directory |
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| 15:59.52 | ctuininga | babilen: Well, that was worth a shot. :/ I had forgotten I have port 465 delivery turned on, but forgot to copy over "tls_on_connect_ports = 465". I'm not seeing the previously mentioned error any more ... so either that parts fixed, or nobody is trying to send mail at the moment. :) |
| 15:59.57 | ctuininga | Different issue now though .... |
| 16:00.35 | ctuininga | Lots of this sort of message: |
| 16:00.35 | ctuininga | TLS error on connection from [xx.xx.xx.xx] (gnutls_handshake): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. |
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| 16:06.09 | babilen | ctuininga: Dig through: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467137 (and related bugs) |
| 16:06.42 | ctuininga | babilen: That's what I was just looking through. Thanks for the link though. :) |
| 16:07.28 | wgl | I am attempting to 'apt-get install git-core'. I get the error message '... unmet dependencies' 'git-core: Depends: libcurl3-gnutils (>= 7.16.2-1) but 7.15.5-1etch is to be installed'. Looking for pointers as to what to try next. did "apt-get clean" previously. |
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| 16:07.57 | wgl | I should add that /etc/issue says Debian/GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 16:08.35 | \amethyst | wgl: what does apt-cache policy git-core say? |
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| 16:09.14 | babilen | ,versions gnutls |
| 16:09.16 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnutls' was found. |
| 16:09.22 | babilen | ,versions gnutls26 |
| 16:09.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gnutls26' was found. |
| 16:09.33 | \amethyst | wgl: it sounds like you're trying to install the lenny version of git-core into an etch system |
| 16:09.59 | \amethyst | wgl: likely you'll need to fully upgrade to lenny |
| 16:10.19 | babilen | ctuininga: Whats your version of "libgnutls26" ? |
| 16:10.28 | babilen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=478470 |
| 16:10.29 | wgl | \amethyst: Duh. It says that it is "Installed: 1:1.4.4.4-4 ...(more)". Weird. |
| 16:10.43 | ctuininga | babilen: 2.4.2-6+lenny2 |
| 16:10.51 | \amethyst | wgl: pastebin the full output |
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| 16:11.40 | cdog69 | how do I give my user access to write in the var/www directory? what commands and switches do I need to use? |
| 16:11.45 | babilen | ctuininga: That's the latest and according to gnutls's changelog that bug should be fixed in 2.2.3 |
| 16:12.02 | wgl | \amethyst: I then discover that git is now installed. Somehow it got there in my poking through. I somehow missed that fact. Sheesh. Thanks. |
| 16:12.25 | \amethyst | wgl: it still sounds like you have a mix of etch and lenny |
| 16:12.53 | \amethyst | wgl: when you did apt-get install git-core it's trying to upgrade to the lenny version and failing |
| 16:13.02 | wgl | \amethyst: I do probably need to do the upgrade to lenny; i think you are correct. Going to set up repository for scripts as part of my upgrade steps. Thanks much. |
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| 16:15.38 | pallgone | is anyone using wicd on squeeze? it doesn't connect on boot for me and with the GUI it only works after I have cancelled the ongoing trial and connect again |
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| 16:16.02 | gh0st_ | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes |
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| 16:17.29 | themill | FantomAway: please turn that off in here. |
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| 16:20.16 | cdog69 | I need assitance setting up my /var/www directory... currently, its group and owner are set to root. First, is this correct? I would think it would need to be set to something different, like www-data or something like that. If I do need to change it, how do I go about doing so? |
| 16:21.01 | babilen | FantomAway: disable that please |
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| 16:23.56 | debian-user | I can't get sound to work. I installed alsa-utils and used alsaconf and then checked alsamixer to make sure the volume was up but I still don't hear anything. Any ideas? |
| 16:24.09 | krion | cdog69: you have to use chown to change it |
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| 16:24.44 | krion | !tell cdog69 about chown |
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| 16:25.39 | cdog69 | krion: thanks, I do understand chown... what I don't get is whether I NEED to change the owner/group using chown |
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| 16:25.56 | krion | cdog69: it depends |
| 16:26.32 | cdog69 | krion: lol, yes it does... hence my initial question |
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| 16:28.50 | FantomAway | is back, back again.. (12m 47s) |
| 16:28.56 | gh0st_ | sorry |
| 16:29.08 | babilen | cdog69: "man chown" - but you probably want to play with ACL (/msg dpkg acl) |
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| 16:29.27 | gh0st_ | squeeze release date? |
| 16:29.53 | babilen | cdog69: Or just add your user to the appropriate group (probably www-data) ... But I would go for ACL |
| 16:30.01 | babilen | !tell gh0st_ -about wwsr |
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| 16:31.02 | cdog69 | what is ACL |
| 16:31.41 | babilen | cdog69: "/msg dpkg acl" <--- type that in your chat client and read the links dpkg will give you |
| 16:32.56 | Kobaz | how would i find files older than say, 60 days... if i do find -mtime 60 for instance... it's last modified 60 days ago... but it's just that one day... not older |
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| 16:33.45 | babilen | ctuininga: progress - or are you appalled by the gnutls bug-mess? |
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| 16:33.57 | Kobaz | i could write a perl script, but i would have thought find could do something like that |
| 16:33.58 | ma3x | can anyone help me bring back to life my nic? |
| 16:34.09 | ma3x | it suddenly stopped working :( |
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| 16:34.52 | chops1 | Kobaz: find -mtime -60 |
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| 16:35.02 | Amanda^ | I installed Citadel e-mail and groupware on Debian 5.0 for a short period and decided against it, thus removed it. What is the default mail packages installed on Debian 5.0, as I am assuming that these haven't been automatically re-installed after removing Citadel e-mail and groupware? |
| 16:35.12 | Amanda^ | Just 'sendmail' package, or 'mail'? |
| 16:35.15 | Kobaz | oh - |
| 16:35.18 | chops1 | Amanda^: exim4 |
| 16:35.43 | chops1 | Amanda^: postfix may also be a good one, depending on how complex your needs are, but exim4 is the default |
| 16:35.56 | Amanda^ | chops1: So 'sendmail' isn't installed by default? |
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| 16:36.09 | chops1 | Amanda^: Good god no |
| 16:36.19 | ctuininga | babilen: I haven't made any further progress yet. I tried getting rid of the ca-certificates package to see if that helped (I don't do any client cert auth) but that didn't help unfortunately. |
| 16:36.26 | petemc | Amanda^: exim4 or postfix are sendmail compatible |
| 16:36.28 | Kobaz | chops1: that's not in the man page |
| 16:36.42 | SerajewelKS | perhaps i'm missing something obvious in the docs, but is there a key/option in the aptitude UI that will unmark all packages staged for installation if they do not have a depends on them? basically i'm looking for a way to install a package without any recommends, but without changing this option globally. |
| 16:36.43 | babilen | ctuininga: alright - was just curious |
| 16:36.45 | Amanda^ | chops1: I noticed that a lot of applications use sendmail to send automated e-mails about tasks, does exim4 place a mailer in the default sendmail location so that nothing bad happens? |
| 16:36.50 | ctuininga | babilen: I have one user that reported they were able to send a message via their iphone, so that's something anyway. :/ |
| 16:37.06 | petemc | Amanda^: /usr/sbin/sendmail will be a symlink to exim4 or postfix |
| 16:37.17 | babilen | ctuininga: you are doing this on a production system? |
| 16:37.22 | Kobaz | Amanda^: exim is compatible with sendmail |
| 16:37.36 | Amanda^ | petemc: So exim4 will install that automatically? |
| 16:37.39 | chops1 | Amanda^: Right, all mailers on Unix implement sendmail's interface (with varying degrees of fidelity) |
| 16:37.51 | petemc | not all.. |
| 16:37.52 | chops1 | Amanda^: XX "all mailers on Debian" |
| 16:38.31 | Amanda^ | So 'apt-get install exim4' should set everything concerning sending mail as it was when I did a fresh install? |
| 16:39.12 | chops1 | Amanda^: Not necessarily... you may want to do 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' to go through the configuration again. It should restore you to your last exim4 configuration, though; if things were working before Citadel you shouldn't have to do anything else. |
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| 16:39.18 | nocturnus | how can I set a margin with lp? page-left doesn't do anything and i've tried margin.ps aswell |
| 16:39.19 | Stereo | Amanda^: you might prefer aptitude |
| 16:39.26 | Stereo | dpkg: tell Amanda^ about aptitude |
| 16:39.26 | chops1 | Amanda^: In general the configuration for Debian packages isn't removed when the packages are removed |
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| 16:40.03 | Amanda^ | aptitude > apt-get? |
| 16:40.07 | jhutchins_lt | Amanda^: aptitude purge exim4 && aptitude installl exim4 should be a pretty complete reset-to-defaults. |
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| 16:40.37 | babilen | !tell Amanda^ -about why aptitude |
| 16:40.40 | babilen | !tell Amanda^ -about why not aptitude |
| 16:41.11 | Amanda^ | ok thank you :o |
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| 16:41.44 | wols | Amanda^: are you sure this citadel thing brought its own MTA? |
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| 16:42.11 | wols | Amanda^: debian will moan loduly if there is no MTA at all. |
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| 16:43.45 | Kobaz | chops1: -mtime -60 doesn't do it... it finds all files |
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| 16:44.41 | \amethyst | Kobaz: -mtime -60 is 'less than 60 days ago' |
| 16:44.48 | \amethyst | Kobaz: -mtime +60 for 'more than 60' |
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| 16:44.56 | Kobaz | \ |
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| 16:45.18 | \amethyst | Kobaz: itit is in the manpage, search for "Numeric arguments can be specified" |
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| 16:45.31 | Kobaz | oh okay |
| 16:45.36 | Kobaz | yeah i see |
| 16:45.52 | sylar | how to find the max jumbo frame size for my lan adapter? |
| 16:45.56 | \amethyst | Kobaz: if you want 60 days or older, you'd use +59 |
| 16:45.56 | chops1 | Kobaz: Oh, sorry, I misread your message and thought you wanted newer than 60 days for some reason |
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| 16:46.18 | Kobaz | chops1: \amethyst: what's weird... is that -60 is finding stuff from september of last year |
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| 16:46.39 | Kobaz | and then it keeps going and gets january/february 2010 |
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| 16:47.52 | chops1 | Kobaz: That is odd |
| 16:48.06 | ctuininga | Kobaz: Are you sure your system time is correct? :) |
| 16:48.08 | Kobaz | what i want to do is archive stuff older than 60 days... find . -mtime +59 -exec mv \{\} /foo/archive \; |
| 16:48.15 | wols | Kobaz: you sure you look at mtime and not ctime with the september file? |
| 16:48.18 | Kobaz | ctuininga: yeah system time is correct.. it gets it off of ntp too |
| 16:48.41 | bkjoe- | Meltem_Esintisii = onjoin spamming |
| 16:48.43 | Kobaz | ctime would probably work better actually |
| 16:49.05 | gh0st_ | d |
| 16:49.56 | babilen | !ops mkjoe reports "Meltem_Esintisii = onjoin spamming" |
| 16:49.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: mkjoe reports "Meltem_Esintisii = onjoin spamming" |
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| 17:09.30 | hikenboot | is there a way to tell what the max supported mtu size of a nic is? |
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| 17:10.48 | \amethyst | So, ed is at priority: optional now, and has been for a while, but aptitude shows it as being Priority: important... where is aptitude getting its information from? |
| 17:10.53 | \amethyst | (sid here) |
| 17:12.10 | wols | \amethyst: where does it say it's optional? |
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| 17:12.39 | \amethyst | wols: in the 'control' file, and dpkg-query -f '${Package}\t${Priority}\n' -W ed |
| 17:12.48 | \amethyst | wols: from 1.3-2 and up |
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| 17:13.51 | wols | I guess it's from the packages file apt downloads |
| 17:14.17 | wols | btw: my dpkg-query says "important" |
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| 17:14.31 | \amethyst | wols: lenny? |
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| 17:14.35 | wols | sid |
| 17:14.41 | \amethyst | wols: what version of ed? |
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| 17:15.15 | wols | tho. a bit of an old version of sid probably. 0.7-1 |
| 17:15.24 | \amethyst | wols: ah, yeah, the change was in 1.3-2 |
| 17:15.26 | themill | ,info ed --release sid |
| 17:15.26 | judd | ed (editors, important): The classic UNIX line editor. Version: 1.4-1; Size: 56.9k; Installed: 104k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/ed/ |
| 17:15.44 | babilen | hikenboot: should be 1500 |
| 17:15.59 | \amethyst | hm... the available file says Priority: optional too |
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| 17:16.05 | \amethyst | I guess it's in one of aptitude's caches |
| 17:16.20 | themill | Packages file seems to have "important" because that's where judd gets his data from |
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| 17:16.26 | wols | ok, now it's optional with 1.4 |
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| 17:17.06 | k_wolf | HI guys. I've a machine with lenny (and Xen kernel) running ok. When I try to "ping to www.google.com" it's okay, but when try to run "w3m http://www.google.com" it cant resolve the names. Apt has this behavior too. So I looked arround system and noticed that theres no nslookup and avahi-daemon. |
| 17:17.16 | themill | wols, \amethyst: there's an ftp-master override on it "ed: Override says editors - important, .deb says editors - optional" from its qa page. |
| 17:17.43 | \amethyst | ah, I see |
| 17:17.51 | k_wolf | Any clue to solve this? I runned over google but without success.. :( |
| 17:17.52 | \amethyst | themill: yeah, you're right, the Packages file says important |
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| 17:18.23 | \amethyst | themill: do you know of a reason for the override? |
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| 17:19.27 | themill | \amethyst: no. Probably just ftp-masters haven't updated their side of things since the packaging changed. |
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| 17:20.12 | \amethyst | themill: ah, I didn't realize it had to be changed in both places... |
| 17:20.28 | \amethyst | themill: is this true for all priority changes, or is it only because it used to be 'important' ? |
| 17:20.42 | themill | nfc |
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| 17:21.42 | \amethyst | themill: thanks for the info; wols: you too |
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| 17:27.49 | maxagaz_ | hi |
| 17:28.04 | ctuininga | babilen: Well, I turned off tls_try_verify_hosts ... and that did it. :/ |
| 17:28.41 | maxagaz_ | squid works fine when I configure my browser to use it, but not if I set iptables to force all the traffic with: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128, or: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128. What could be wrong in my conf ? |
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| 17:33.05 | babilen | ctuininga: shit - I stumbled over that some hours ago. Should have asked you :-\ Sorry for the wasted time ... |
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| 17:34.12 | ctuininga | babilen: Don't be sorry - it's not an ideal solution. I'm willing to go along with because I don't have any client certificates that I'm accepting, but I don't love fixing problems by having to disable functionality. Your efforts and assistance were both helpful and much appreciated. :) |
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| 17:37.20 | Hawkey | hi |
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| 17:38.23 | Hawkey | any advice with this? |
| 17:38.24 | Hawkey | file:///cdrom/pool/main/c/coreutils/coreutils_6.10-6_amd64.deb was corrupt |
| 17:38.28 | babilen | ctuininga: and rightfully so |
| 17:38.32 | Hawkey | during instalation process |
| 17:38.41 | Hawkey | downloaded iso file few minutes ago |
| 17:39.08 | babilen | Hawkey: md5 of the ISO is correct? |
| 17:39.19 | Hawkey | yes it is |
| 17:39.27 | wols | and the md5sum of /dev/hda too? |
| 17:39.32 | babilen | Hawkey: ^^^ |
| 17:39.33 | babilen | :) |
| 17:39.53 | babilen | (or whatever your cd-drive is) |
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| 17:40.30 | Hawkey | md5 of /dev/hda? |
| 17:40.43 | themill | !check iso image |
| 17:40.43 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror. |
| 17:42.38 | Hawkey | cool but how to check it when system is after format? |
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| 17:44.27 | wols | Hawkey: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/coreutils/download if it's i386 lenny. compare the md5sum of the debs |
| 17:44.42 | wols | ah, amd64, so use the amd64 page |
| 17:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I always just did md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 17:46.27 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I've seen that fail a number of times. Can't recall the specific reason for that now, but it could well be hardware dependent |
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| 17:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I'm seeing that: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/11/70 - any idea if the changes they made are in 2.6.30? |
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| 17:48.33 | ogmios2 | Could anyone help me? I'm stuck in TTY1, using Squeeze/kde4, for some reason x broke so I grabbed the latest nvidia drivers, installed them, restarted kdm, everything seemed fine. Now on restart the display pauses a second when kde should appear and dumps me at tty1 |
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| 17:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | ogmios2: What do the logs say? |
| 17:49.30 | jhutchins_lt | ogmios2: Have you tried regenerating your xorg.conf? |
| 17:49.40 | ogmios2 | How do I go about doing that ? |
| 17:49.46 | ogmios2 | just rm it? |
| 17:50.25 | jhutchins_lt | ogmios2: mv it. |
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| 17:51.37 | titan8990 | ogmios2: did you install your drivers the debian way? |
| 17:51.54 | maxagaz_ | how to kill properly a gui application with a cli ? |
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| 17:52.04 | NoReflex | hey guys! I have two HDD's. I would like to copy the data from one partition to the other. that is the system partition. Is it possible with DD? Do i have to copy the bootsector too? |
| 17:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "properly" |
| 17:52.23 | ogmios2 | titan8990: I didn't, used the nvidia installer |
| 17:52.26 | teknishun | maxagaz: use can use pkill <name of the process> |
| 17:53.39 | titan8990 | ogmios2: you should install your drivers using the debian method |
| 17:53.46 | titan8990 | !tell ogmios2 about nvidia |
| 17:53.48 | maxagaz_ | teknishun, thanks |
| 17:53.52 | ctuininga | babilen: Thanks again for the help - I'm outta here. :) |
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| 17:54.35 | ogmios2 | ah, perhaps I'll try it that way again - I tried that when I first got to linux and for the life of me couldn't get it to work |
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| 17:54.54 | babilen | ctuininga: have a nice adjust_timezone("evening") |
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| 17:55.20 | titan8990 | ogmios2: then you should ask for support on that, instead of trying the wrong way and then asking for support |
| 17:55.47 | titan8990 | ogmios2: if you have a problem just come back, but you should be aware that squeeze is not nescessarily supported by the community on IRC |
| 17:56.02 | ogmios2 | right |
| 17:56.14 | ogmios2 | was hoping there would be some one click solution ;p |
| 17:56.37 | ogmios2 | oh well, that was the point of me getting Squeeze anyway |
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| 17:56.58 | ogmios2 | Making me learn about Debian/Linux much quicker than if everything worked right constantly ;p |
| 17:56.59 | ogmios2 | thanks. |
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| 17:58.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi, I'm just about to install debian 5.0.4 on my pc |
| 17:58.58 | babilen | KaffeeJunky123: have fun |
| 17:59.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | I come from ubuntu, and it's been bad to me latly |
| 17:59.17 | trone | Hello, I need to a simply program that listen on the 80 port and make a redirect toward other server. There is something on debian that make this? |
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| 17:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | trone, ssh |
| 18:00.04 | trone | CutMeOwnThroat: ssh? |
| 18:00.18 | wols | trone: google ssh port forwarding |
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| 18:00.32 | trone | ah, thank you. looking for |
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| 18:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | something like ssh -L 80:localhost:80 host |
| 18:01.15 | NoReflex | if I try to copy one partition to another using dd it will copy the empty space too. any idea how to skip that? |
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| 18:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I'm seeing that: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/1/11/70 - any idea if the changes they made are in 2.6.30? |
| 18:02.03 | titan8990 | NoReflex: file copy instead, or use a different tool like parted |
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| 18:03.08 | NoReflex | titan8990: I'm trying to copy the system partition to antoher hdd...and I want that new drive to boot on another machine |
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| 18:03.29 | titan8990 | NoReflex: that irrevelent... a file backup would work just fine |
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| 18:04.02 | wols | plus a proper bootloader on the other machine |
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| 18:04.18 | titan8990 | really needs to figure out his spellcheck script |
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| 18:06.06 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: why not use kmuto's kernel= |
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| 18:11.42 | careta | hello all |
| 18:12.03 | careta | is it possible to disallow root to su to any user without a password? |
| 18:12.32 | jhutchins_lt | wols: I suppose one could dd the first 512 bytes (that's the MBR, isn't it?). |
| 18:12.47 | Hydroxide | careta: once someone has root privileges then they can do whatever they want on your system |
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| 18:13.18 | wols | jhutchins_lt: more. iirc grub uses a few sectors more. and you don't want the full MBR cause then you have the same partitioning too. ideally, you run grub-install on the new machine |
| 18:13.36 | Hydroxide | careta: unless you want to use something liek SELinux but that's way too complicated for most anyone in this channel including me :) |
| 18:13.43 | wols | however, if you have grub in /hda1 or so, then you usually don't need any MBR shuffling |
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| 18:13.58 | wols | !wayttd careta |
| 18:13.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, careta? |
| 18:14.04 | careta | Hydroxide, so you are 100% sure there is no way to force root to give a password to su to any user? without considering selinux and without bothering about attacks |
| 18:14.33 | careta | wols, im just trying to make root need to type a password to su to a user |
| 18:14.33 | jhutchins_lt | wtf? Why is my home dir full of empty files named with undisplayable characters? |
| 18:14.35 | wols | careta: yes. root can for example just create a file in your ~ and then chown it to you |
| 18:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | Methinks it's time for an fsck. |
| 18:14.50 | Hydroxide | careta: there are probably ways to force root to give a password if he wants to use the existing system-installed su command and if you can assume he was not going to modify your system config |
| 18:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, I'm not installing... only running two CPU-intensive tasks, which triggers this bug |
| 18:14.57 | wols | so it doesn't even need to su to your user to do bad things. root is the dictator of the machine. omnipotent |
| 18:15.11 | Hydroxide | careta: but there are no ways to prevent him from using some other method to switch users or just do stuff without switching users |
| 18:15.14 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: you want the bug to be gone, no? |
| 18:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is kmutos kernel anyway... 2.6.30? |
| 18:15.27 | careta | thanks that was what i suspected |
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| 18:15.32 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: .32 afaik |
| 18:15.36 | troppobello | ciao |
| 18:15.39 | troppobello | !list |
| 18:15.39 | dpkg | troppobello: VATTENE VIA |
| 18:15.48 | troppobello | perchè |
| 18:15.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, sure, but kmuto is an install image? And I can just pull from the repos? |
| 18:16.02 | wols | kmuto is a backport kernel. bpo has it |
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| 18:16.22 | Hydroxide | careta: if you know windows terminology, root is the equivalent of the Administrator account in Windows XP, or the result of saying yes to one of those darken-the-screen security prompts from an administrator account on vista/7 |
| 18:16.58 | wols | Hydroxide: more like root is "Local System" |
| 18:17.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hydroxide: windows xp administrator isn't superprivileged |
| 18:17.07 | trone | CutMeOwnThroat, wols: thanks. ssh -L was exactly what I mean! :) |
| 18:17.34 | Hydroxide | kaffeejunky123, wols: well, sort of - windows administrator can get all the other privileges he needs. there's no single account with 100% full privs by default, not even local system |
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| 18:17.40 | delx | Hey |
| 18:17.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you mean "kmuto uses the backports kernel"? and I should use that? |
| 18:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kmuto |
| 18:17.43 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 18:17.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hydroxide: systemroot is the super privileged account on windoze |
| 18:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, great, I'm getting the character-repeats now, too |
| 18:18.04 | jhutchins_lt | careta: The *nix way of dealing with it is to make sure that the root password is only available to a trustworthy person, and if necessary allow other users to perform administrative chores through sudo. |
| 18:18.18 | Hydroxide | KaffeeJunky123, wols: not when you start requiring access to network shares. believe me, I've had to deal with that at $employer :) |
| 18:18.34 | delx | I have a problem with one of my servers. One of my components is using openoffice. This component is not working anymore. I expect it to be an openoffice bug. Is there a way to find out when the openoffice update has been installed? |
| 18:18.49 | wols | Hydroxide: with networks you also need the credentials from the OTHER guy (or a super server like a PDC) |
| 18:19.09 | wols | delx: if it's not too long ago: /var/log/dpkg* |
| 18:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, but the main point was... I'm not sure (from that thread) if/when those patches went into the mainstream kernel |
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| 18:19.26 | Hydroxide | wols: yeah, I'm aware. we have a domain. but this is off-topic, and I think we're just spending many lines agreeing vociferously now :) |
| 18:19.33 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: only one way to find out (except posting to the LKML) |
| 18:21.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | I wonder why brasero takes so long to perform the final checksum... |
| 18:21.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | I want my debian dvd now :O |
| 18:21.35 | sneezewort | Will kerneloops continue to alert me to a kernel failure even if I check "Always" when it asks if I want to send reports? |
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| 18:25.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, well, will need to waaaaaait until the processes that cause it finally are finished anyway :) also, I don't care much for rebooting, so if it doesn't help... |
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| 18:31.02 | wlodek | Hi may J ask you about Debian Squeeze |
| 18:31.32 | Argafal | !ask |
| 18:31.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:31.32 | wols | just ask |
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| 18:32.29 | sneezewort | Im running Debian Lenny on a Dell Studio 1537. Everything now works except the only Fn keys that work are the 2 brightness keys. Is there a special laptop keyboard package I need to install? |
| 18:32.29 | wlodek | j am looking for a webcam for my Debian. |
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| 18:32.50 | greycat | And the I key. He's looking for that too. |
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| 18:33.31 | wols | !tell sneezewort about laptop |
| 18:33.50 | wlodek | what`s is the best run on Debian |
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| 18:34.04 | wols | wlodek: I'd suggest you check what you might want to buy and then google for linux compatibility |
| 18:34.12 | Argafal | wlodek: I have a webcam from Targus, Model AVC05EU which works quite well. Though with the last kernel update the system got instable when using it, but this might just be a temporary flaw. that's the "presonal experience" answer to your question. the general one is: |
| 18:34.23 | wols | wlodek: /msg dpkg webcam |
| 18:34.45 | Argafal | either what wols said or you should find a list of linux supported chipsets somewhere.... |
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| 18:35.10 | wols | Argafal: dpkg points to them |
| 18:35.18 | wols | with its various factoids to this topic |
| 18:35.22 | Argafal | wols: yeah, i just tried the command, very nice! |
| 18:35.37 | wols | !pat dpkg |
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| 18:36.39 | Argafal | 19:36 <dpkg> pat replaces me sometimes when I am offline (usually when xk has my guts open, argafal!). POST MAN PAT |
| 18:36.42 | Argafal | woat? |
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| 18:37.12 | wols | Argafal: AI in action |
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| 18:38.00 | sneezewort | wols: What did you mean by "!tell sneezewort about laptop"? |
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| 18:38.33 | wols | sneezewort: dpkg sent you a message. read it |
| 18:38.36 | titan8990 | sneezewort: that causes our IRC bot to pm you a factoid about the keyword "laptop" |
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| 18:39.39 | sneezewort | Thanks! |
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| 18:41.28 | Mal1 | hello. |
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| 18:42.18 | Mal1 | I'm having a problem with C++ on debian. |
| 18:42.25 | Mal1 | I can't load the libgtkmm lib. |
| 18:42.34 | Mal1 | Whenever I try, it says "no such file or directory" |
| 18:42.46 | Mal1 | I've installed libgtkmm-dev, libgtkmm-2-4-dev, etc. |
| 18:42.48 | Mal1 | No change. |
| 18:42.52 | Mal1 | Any thoughts? |
| 18:43.13 | stdisease | Mal1, is it there on any of your library paths? |
| 18:43.29 | greycat | What do you mean by "load the lib"? That's not a linker error. |
| 18:43.49 | Mal1 | I mean #include them. |
| 18:43.53 | stdisease | I assumed at runtime ld.so couldn't find it or smth |
| 18:44.18 | Mal1 | I don't know if it's in my path. which doesn't return anything for any of the libs. |
| 18:44.34 | greycat | #include is for the preprocessor, not the linker or the loader |
| 18:44.46 | Mal1 | Oh. I'm not usually a c++ coder. |
| 18:44.55 | greycat | what is the exact #include statement you're using? |
| 18:45.09 | Mal1 | #include <gtkmm.h> |
| 18:45.14 | Mal1 | I've tried without the .h too. |
| 18:45.22 | Mal1 | As per. the gtkmm online documentation. |
| 18:45.23 | stdisease | Mal1, and what is the exact error message your receive and the command leading up to it, feel free to pastebin |
| 18:45.33 | k_wolf | SOLVED :: nsswitch |
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| 18:45.38 | k_wolf | bye bye |
| 18:45.50 | Mal1 | error: gtkmm.h: no such file or directory. |
| 18:45.58 | Mal1 | That's pretty much it. No need for pastebin. ;) |
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| 18:46.11 | stdisease | Mal1, did you -I<where gtkmm.h is> to your command line when compiling? |
| 18:46.13 | ubsafder | hello |
| 18:46.34 | greycat | unfortunately I'm not familiar with this particular library |
| 18:46.50 | titan8990 | libgtkmm-2.4-dev: /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm.h |
| 18:46.50 | Mal1 | @stdicease nope. |
| 18:46.56 | ubsafder | apt-get install fails on my squeeze package not found ?? how do i install kde ? |
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| 18:47.07 | Mal1 | It says "missing redirection target" |
| 18:47.17 | greycat | titan8990: does it use pkgconfig or something to specify the cflags location? |
| 18:47.19 | Mal1 | Sorry, my C++ book didn't cover any of this. ^^ |
| 18:47.23 | titan8990 | ubsafder: its not uncommon for packages in testing to be missing |
| 18:47.30 | stdisease | Mal1, try g++ `pkg-config --cflags` <sources.cxx> `pkg-config --libs` |
| 18:47.53 | titan8990 | greycat: I have no idea, I was just bored so I used apt-file to report the location of where the header file *should* be |
| 18:48.00 | stdisease | Mal1, you'll have to modify that command to suit your needs of course, not verbatim like that |
| 18:48.47 | titan8990 | ubsafder: if you are an inexperienced user, or you like for things to work, squeeze is not recommended |
| 18:49.00 | stdisease | Mal1, also it's best if you seek help in a programming channel like #c++ for that |
| 18:49.20 | Mal1 | Ah, sorry. It's more because I followed the guide, and it didn't work. |
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| 18:49.30 | Mal1 | The pkg-config didn't work. |
| 18:49.41 | Mal1 | But I'll ask a c++ channel, sorry for interupting. And thanks. ;) |
| 18:49.45 | wols | Mal1: is gtkmm installed? |
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| 18:49.53 | Mal1 | Yes, most of the packages. |
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| 18:50.06 | varlon | how can I find which package contain man for fprintf? |
| 18:50.32 | wols | "most"? dpkg -l |grep libgtkmm-2.4-dev tell us if it is installed |
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| 18:50.45 | wols | varlon: packages.debian.org |
| 18:51.09 | stdisease | varlon, try manpages-dev |
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| 18:52.30 | varlon | thanks |
| 18:53.15 | stdisease | Malf, of course it doesn't, depends on what you need, pkg-config <package> --cflags --libs or whatever, package in this case is umm.. let me see. gtkmm-2.4 - Also look at how to write Makefiles, and you shouldn't be anywhere near that gui stuff if you're still learning |
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| 18:53.22 | mutable_malachi | !squeeze |
| 18:53.22 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
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| 18:54.00 | Pinchiukas | Why did Debian create symlinks to files in /boot, in my /? |
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| 18:54.06 | mutable_malachi | Are any channel ops on at the moment? |
| 18:54.14 | babilen | mutable_malachi: probably - why? |
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| 18:54.21 | abrotman | mutable_malachi: peanut_bu ? |
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| 18:54.26 | mutable_malachi | abrotman: yeah. |
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| 18:54.31 | titan8990 | mutable_malachi: if there a spammer/emergency that needs to be reported, use !ops |
| 18:54.35 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: some old bootloaders use the symlinks |
| 18:54.36 | mutable_malachi | Thanks. :) |
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| 18:54.46 | Pinchiukas | abrotman: old? like what? lilo? |
| 18:55.05 | h725 | hi, what's the procedure of installing debian stable on a machine with an ICH8 chipset (sata controller pci id is 8086:3b20) |
| 18:55.06 | wols | Pinchiukas: at this point in time it's probably mostly tradition :) |
| 18:55.07 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: it can be configured to do that .. so can grub .. call it 'historical reasons' |
| 18:55.16 | mutable_malachi | You guys are swift. I just had to *think* about telling the ops and the banhammer came down. :) |
| 18:55.18 | wols | h725: you simply install it. nothing else |
| 18:55.23 | abrotman | !tell h725 about kmuto |
| 18:55.38 | wols | ich8 is about 5 years old or so... |
| 18:55.52 | h725 | wols: but the kernel that ships with lenny does not know about the sata controller ... so it does not detect any disks |
| 18:55.53 | titan8990 | the piix driver in lenny doesn't handle ICH8?? |
| 18:56.00 | h725 | not that pci id |
| 18:56.06 | babilen | ,pccid 8086:3b20 |
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| 18:56.15 | babilen | ,pcid 8086:3b20 |
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| 18:56.21 | LeeJunFan | is there an easy way to install a devel package w/o either downloading individual packages or editing sources.list? For instance if I want to install the devel kernel to test something? |
| 18:56.22 | wols | h725: I have a ICH9 based PC and debian works fine. worked since etch |
| 18:56.31 | titan8990 | judd pciid 8086:3b20 |
| 18:56.31 | themill | waits for babilen to try a few more combinations |
| 18:56.33 | judd | [8086:3b20] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset 4 port SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ata_piix' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b20 |
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| 18:56.42 | h725 | wols http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571533 explains it i think |
| 18:56.48 | babilen | themill: hehe - sloppy fingers tonight |
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| 18:57.01 | wols | h725: ICH8 is something else... |
| 18:57.52 | wols | h725: as abrotman told you, use the kmuto installer |
| 18:58.11 | wols | LeeJunFan: there is the build-deps command for apt |
| 18:58.23 | wols | LeeJunFan: but I have no clue what a devel kernel is |
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| 18:59.06 | h725 | wols, abrotman will do ... thx |
| 18:59.54 | LeeJunFan | wols: lol, the kernel that's in unstable or testing. hehe, not thinking well today. thanks. |
| 19:00.25 | babilen | LeeJunFan: Try backports (/msg dpkg bpo) |
| 19:00.55 | wols | LeeJunFan: kernels don't really have any dependencies |
| 19:01.09 | babilen | LeeJunFan: But you would need to edit your sources.list if you want aptitude to download them for you. You could install individual packages with dpkg -i |
| 19:01.23 | wols | as for installing things from sid or testing: /msg dpkg backports and /msg dpkg dpkg |
| 19:01.30 | NoReflex | hey guys! i copied the data from one partition to another |
| 19:01.45 | LeeJunFan | wols: linux-image headers and headers common along with kbuild. It was just meant as an example, maybe a poor choice. |
| 19:01.48 | NoReflex | and I'm trying to boot now...but I don't know how to use grub rescue |
| 19:01.48 | wols | oops. /msg dpkg ssb of course |
| 19:02.06 | NoReflex | insmod /boot/grub/linux.mod gives file not found |
| 19:02.15 | wols | LeeJunFan: very bad choice since there is no point for them unless you run that specific kernel |
| 19:02.20 | LeeJunFan | np, well - gotta run on a svc call, thanks wols and babilen. |
| 19:02.34 | stdisease | NoReflex, try 'set root=(<hd>,<partition>)' first |
| 19:03.09 | NoReflex | stdisease: I tried that ...and set prefix = (hd0,1)/boot/grub |
| 19:03.12 | LeeJunFan | wols: I really was just looking to get more acquainted with apt and know how to install a package with deps from unstable/testing in stable in the future, so I'd know next time I had to. This time I just grabbed the debs with wget. |
| 19:03.17 | stdisease | NoReflex, if still no file, run grub-install on the HD from any live system with grub in it |
| 19:04.04 | stdisease | NoReflex, and don't forget to pass a --root= argument to install those .mod files |
| 19:04.40 | greycat | LeeJunFan: you *cannot* install a package from unstable/testing onto stable. |
| 19:04.41 | Pinchiukas | wols, abrotman: so it's safe to remove them if I use the defaults? |
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| 19:04.59 | greycat | LeeJunFan: you can install a backported version of it. |
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| 19:07.26 | NoReflex | stdisease: which minimal live cd do you recommend to repaird grub? |
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| 19:08.49 | abrotman | NoReflex: the debian installer can do this |
| 19:09.03 | stdisease | NoReflex, any, really, with recent enough GRUB2 on it, I have a live system on USB drive but you can manage with any |
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| 19:09.25 | greycat | when did he say GRUB2? |
| 19:09.25 | NoReflex | stdisease: a usb stick is all I have ... the computer does not have a CD-rom |
| 19:09.49 | NoReflex | greycat: I did not say grub2...i'm using grub |
| 19:09.53 | abrotman | can your system boot from USB ? |
| 19:10.01 | NoReflex | abrotman: I can boot from usb |
| 19:10.14 | abrotman | NoReflex: the debian installer can do this, or look for the supergrub cd |
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| 19:10.50 | stdisease | NoReflex, what OS are you running from right now? |
| 19:11.25 | stdisease | NoReflex, is windows, then use unetbootin to make a bootable live USB and repair from it |
| 19:11.32 | Pinchiukas | Damn, grub is configured to use "/vmlinuz". :/ |
| 19:11.32 | stdisease | *if windows |
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| 19:11.39 | Pinchiukas | And I guess the packages create the symlink. |
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| 19:11.46 | Pinchiukas | I guess I'll have to learn to live with that. |
| 19:12.29 | abrotman | stdisease: the OS doesn't matter .. he doesn't need unetbootin at all .. that's goofy |
| 19:13.02 | varlon | hi, i'm install git-core on my debian squeeze. all git-*commands installed into /usr/lib/git-core/, but this dir not in env $PATH. I need add it manualy or I'm doing something wrong or it a bug of git-core.deb? |
| 19:13.43 | greycat | varlon: funny, git-core in lenny has a bunch of commands in /usr/bin/ |
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| 19:14.14 | greycat | does /usr/share/doc/git-core/* say anything about it? |
| 19:14.27 | stdisease | abrotman, notice NoReflex said computer doesn't have cd drive so supergrub CD isn't an option |
| 19:14.33 | stdisease | Idk what's goofy about unetbootin |
| 19:14.51 | kstenger | Is there some way to run chroot as a non-privileged user? |
| 19:14.57 | varlon | greycat, one moment, I didn't read this doc. thanks |
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| 19:18.27 | abrotman | stdisease: i'm aware of what he said |
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| 19:19.27 | titan8990 | kstenger: it doesn't allow to do a chroot otherwise? |
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| 19:19.51 | varlon | greycat, Invoking a git subcommand as "git-xyzzy" from the command line has been deprecated since early 2006 (and officially announced in the 1.5.4 release notes); |
| 19:20.11 | varlon | that what in NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 19:20.20 | h725 | abrotman: thanks for the tip with the updated installer... it work |
| 19:20.21 | h725 | s |
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| 19:20.31 | greycat | varlon: I suspected it might be something like that |
| 19:20.35 | kstenger | titan8990, I'm getting this error: chroot /home/karla/debian-woody /bin/bash chroot: cannot change root directory to /home/karla/debian-woody: Operation not permitted |
| 19:20.54 | greycat | kstenger: you have to be root to use chroot |
| 19:21.06 | varlon | and for get git path in shell-scripts user can use: git --exec-path |
| 19:22.45 | kstenger | ok, and is there some way to tell chroot what user I want to log in with? |
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| 19:23.24 | greycat | I suppose you could do something like chroot /path /bin/su - username |
| 19:23.43 | greycat | this presumes you have users set up inside the chroot |
| 19:23.52 | kstenger | ah, sure, heh |
| 19:24.00 | kstenger | thank you very much :) |
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| 19:27.06 | aguitel | anyway to upgrade kernel in lenny with some repositories ? |
| 19:27.22 | greycat | backports has at least 2.6.30, possibly higher |
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| 19:27.38 | titan8990 | higher now I believe |
| 19:27.40 | titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 19:27.40 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:27.54 | SimManiac | hi |
| 19:28.28 | aguitel | greycat,how i do that |
| 19:28.31 | greycat | !backports |
| 19:28.31 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:28.43 | greycat | /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 19:32.17 | lucascarvalho | I have a debian package with several .py files. After installation when you execute some .py file the related .pyc is generated automatically. So when I try to remove the package using dpkg -P pakcage name, the .pyc files are not removed. What is the correct way to remove such files? |
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| 19:32.47 | Pinchiukas | !backport caveat |
| 19:32.47 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered |
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| 19:33.45 | Pinchiukas | !version chasing |
| 19:33.45 | dpkg | A higher version number does not mean that it's better, just newer. Debian's <stable> release might not have the latest packages, but it has packages that have been tested and bugfixed; for selected packages, you can use backports.org. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos. Ask me about <backports.org>. Tell us what you're doing isn't just <sns syndrome>. |
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| 19:36.10 | kstenger | greycat, what about sending more than one command to the chroot, like on command line, separating them with a semicolon or something, is this possible? |
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| 19:36.36 | greycat | kstenger: chroot /path /bin/bash -c 'command; command; command' |
| 19:36.52 | kstenger | thanks, :) |
| 19:37.40 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: please msg the bot |
| 19:37.42 | bioe007 | need some help with settig up cvs server, i can ssh into server, and ssh 10.1.1.14 cvs -v works, but 'cvs status' always fails with connection refused |
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| 19:38.27 | Pinchiukas | Sorry. |
| 19:38.43 | greycat | sounds like you forgot to set CVS_RSH=ssh or something like that |
| 19:38.46 | bioe007 | im not sure how the CVSROOT should change on my client? before (on non-debian) CVSROOT=:ext:uname@ip:path |
| 19:38.50 | bioe007 | greycat: its set |
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| 19:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | Someone set a server up to run lenny when lenny was testing, but they didn't update the sources file when lenny went stable. Is it possible to tell what files from squeeze have been installed? |
| 19:39.13 | dondelelcaro | bioe007: the CVSROOT is not the same as the remote shell |
| 19:39.24 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can suggest an up-to-date howto about installing backports? |
| 19:39.33 | bioe007 | dondelelcaro: CVSROOT on the client? |
| 19:39.35 | dondelelcaro | bioe007: by default on Debian, if you don't have rsh installed, ssh does rsh, otherwise rsh does rsh |
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| 19:39.50 | dondelelcaro | bioe007: CVSROOT just sets the cvs root; that's it |
| 19:39.54 | streuner | Pinchiukas: just go to backports.org and read instructions |
| 19:40.22 | streuner | Pinchiukas: and /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:40.50 | wols | Pinchiukas: backports.org |
| 19:41.05 | bioe007 | dondelelcaro: my client is not debian, but im not sure what you're saying - am I supposed to reconfigure the server somehow to use ssh? |
| 19:41.14 | Pinchiukas | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 19:41.17 | Pinchiukas | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 19:41.25 | wols | Pinchiukas: you didn't read |
| 19:41.34 | dondelelcaro | bioe007: if the client isn't Debian, then yes. |
| 19:41.40 | Pinchiukas | I kinda did. :) |
| 19:41.45 | streuner | wols: are you an echo by any chance? ;-) |
| 19:41.55 | wols | please don't lie |
| 19:41.57 | bioe007 | dondelelcaro: any tip on where to configure that? |
| 19:42.11 | Pinchiukas | wols: all I did was add the line to /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get update'. |
| 19:42.18 | streuner | hm |
| 19:42.24 | wols | I know. As I said: you didn't read |
| 19:42.27 | bioe007 | dondelelcaro: also it seems cvs is listening on 2401.. |
| 19:42.28 | streuner | wols is right, you didnt read |
| 19:42.47 | wols | Pinchiukas: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions read! |
| 19:42.53 | toolz | is there any way to deny incoming connection from a specified port to a specified port on a machine using iptables? |
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| 19:43.13 | Pinchiukas | wols: that's what I'm fekkin' doing! |
| 19:43.22 | NoReflex | I attached the drive to my notebook using a usb rack. now the drive is /dev/sdb. Can I install grub from my current laptop? the laptop is using grub2 |
| 19:43.49 | bioe007 | dondelelcaro: 2401 is just for the cvs-pserver functionality right? |
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| 19:44.28 | Pinchiukas | Am I supposed to get that error? |
| 19:44.50 | wols | Pinchiukas: as long as you refuse to read: yes |
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| 19:45.00 | wols | Pinchiukas: but first you need to learn what an error is |
| 19:45.22 | greycat | toolz: #netfilter if you can't figure it out from the docs |
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| 19:45.26 | Pinchiukas | I don't really know what those signatures are or what they are signing. |
| 19:45.38 | jimcooncat | Pinchiukas: you're getting that error because you apt can't verify -- see the second-from-bottom section on that link they gave you. |
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| 19:46.22 | Pinchiukas | Oh... I tried it before adding the repository and it didn't work. :) |
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| 19:48.47 | bioe007 | uhm, so still idk what was the advice for this cvs connection problem? |
| 19:48.58 | bioe007 | i dont see anything about setting the cvsd to use ssh |
| 19:48.59 | rixth | Hi there. I'm setting up a sparc box, I initially went with using LVM to partition my disks. I since changed my mind, rebooted, and now, whatever size I make my root partition, it always limits itself down to 37.5GB - what gives? |
| 19:49.08 | greycat | bioe007: only the client has to be told that, not the server |
| 19:49.21 | greycat | the server-box just has to have a regular old sshd running |
| 19:49.28 | bioe007 | greycat: right, the client has CVS_RSH=ssh |
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| 19:51.16 | bioe007 | i had asked the question if the debian *server* needed to be configured to use ssh, and was told 'yes if the client is not debian' |
| 19:51.17 | jimcooncat | rixth: that is weird, but can't your / live on that? |
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| 19:52.12 | bioe007 | damn it started working |
| 19:52.15 | aguitel | i enable backport repo ,how install new kernel? |
| 19:52.25 | rixth | jimcooncat: when I try and write the partitions to disk, it errors out. I'm trying it one last time. |
| 19:52.44 | rixth | It would usually complain about too many primary partitions, even though the partitioner only showed / and swap. |
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| 19:53.12 | rixth | Okay it's decided to go this time. 37.5gb /, 10gb swap. No idea where the other 110gb of the drive went =/ |
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| 19:54.23 | scan | hello all of you |
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| 19:54.50 | scan | i know that this might be the wrong channel but does any one know how i can start firefox from an xsession? |
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| 19:55.07 | greycat | scan: put "firefox &" in it? |
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| 19:57.00 | aguitel | i enable backport repo ,how install new kernel 2.6.30 ? |
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| 19:57.15 | scan | firefox-bin: 1:Syntax error: "("unexpected")" |
| 19:58.01 | greycat | scan: does it actually work if you run firefox in a terminal? |
| 19:58.05 | titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 19:58.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:58.33 | titan8990 | aguitel: you can install .32 with: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 |
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| 19:58.36 | scan | no |
| 19:58.44 | titan8990 | aguitel: replace "686" with your arch if it differs |
| 19:58.59 | aguitel | titan8990: thanks |
| 19:59.30 | greycat | considers doing that and then decides that there's nothing wrong with the kernel he's already gotr |
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| 19:59.52 | jiajia | guys can i delete the archives in /var/cache/apt/archieves |
| 20:00.09 | greycat | jiajia: only if you spell the directory right. but yes. or you can use "apt-get clean" to delete them all. |
| 20:00.22 | jiajia | thanks my brother |
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| 20:00.48 | jimcooncat | scan: I don't recall exactly, but I remember on some setup I had to pass --display=$DISPLAY on firefox's command line |
| 20:01.48 | greycat | that's very odd. |
| 20:01.56 | yucatan | i'm thinking to try the program Munin i'm looking for a program that shows cpu load logs and memory load logs in a web interface did somebody every worked with mumin or is there somebody that advice another program? |
| 20:01.57 | jiajia | greycat:thanks |
| 20:02.07 | greycat | I've certainly never had to pass an explicit --display to firefox. |
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| 20:03.04 | jimcooncat | greycat: like I said, I don't recall what the issue was at the time. |
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| 20:08.13 | scan | im only working wiht Xorg toe |
| 20:08.51 | greycat | well, if "firefox" doesn't work in a terminal, then you need to figure out what's wrong with it. |
| 20:08.57 | simonrvn | checks his toes, "nope they're ok" |
| 20:08.58 | Qew | scan: what's the path to your Firefox |
| 20:09.12 | greycat | scan: "type firefox" will show you the path |
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| 20:10.19 | scan | /usr/pkg/bin/ |
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| 20:10.34 | Zeljko | http://www.e-castig.com/index.php?r=YQAO |
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| 20:13.38 | Qew | isn't that a BSD style path? |
| 20:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, in effect I guess it means I should only use one cpu (by certain processes) until I get to run a new kernel |
| 20:14.25 | bioe007 | greycat: you were right, btw, somehow my export CVS_RSH got obliterated from .zshrc |
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| 20:14.42 | greycat | Qew: I don't know what it is, but it's not Debian. |
| 20:14.57 | stockholm | CutMeOwnThroat: what does "wols" mean? |
| 20:14.57 | greycat | nor is it where I install firefox when I download the upstream tarballs |
| 20:15.05 | greycat | stockholm: it's a person here |
| 20:15.19 | Qew | maybe it's that Debian BSD thing that I must try one day. However, I do remember that path back when I messed about (literally) with FreeBSD some yonks ago. |
| 20:15.23 | stockholm | i thought it was a lol variant |
| 20:15.53 | aguitel | how install envy in lenny ? |
| 20:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | stockholm, it's the nick of some chap in here? |
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| 20:17.06 | babilen_ | aguitel: envy? |
| 20:17.29 | aguitel | babilen: to install nvidia drivers |
| 20:17.40 | babilen | !tell aguitel -about nvidia |
| 20:17.51 | babilen | aguitel: check the wiki page .. |
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| 20:18.42 | babilen | aguitel: You might want to "/msg dpkg nvidia pre-built" or "/msg dpkg nvidia m-a" |
| 20:18.45 | Qew | scan: what version of Debian are you using? Where did you get your Firefox from? |
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| 20:21.02 | scan | Qew: im not using debian on this computer this is just the chanell wiht the most people |
| 20:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | What's the difference between drwxr-sr-x and drwxr-Sr-x |
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| 20:23.04 | Qew | scan: maybe you could try the #firefox channel at irc.mozilla.org |
| 20:23.12 | BorisK | kann man die befehle irgendwie auf einmal ausführen? http://faq.filoo.de/content/19/23/de/wie-installiere-ich-froxlor-auf-einem-rootserver-mit-debian.html |
| 20:23.19 | babilen | !de |
| 20:23.19 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 20:23.37 | Qew | if it's not Debian (let alone Linux), then I don't think you're going to get much help here |
| 20:23.49 | babilen | BorisK: oder versuch dein glueck auf englisch |
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| 20:24.04 | BorisK | sry |
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| 20:25.05 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: 'S' means "the setgid bit is set, but x isn't" |
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| 20:25.33 | hasanakgoz | Hi guys |
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| 20:26.56 | mutable_malachi | Whoa. Is safe-update supposed to take a long time? |
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| 20:27.03 | mutable_malachi | -upgrade rather |
| 20:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: tnx |
| 20:27.30 | babilen | mutable_malachi: that depends on the number of packages that are upgraded |
| 20:28.18 | mutable_malachi | babilen: Hmm. Haven't run it in a while and I'm upgrading to squeeze. I thought it'd take a while but it's nearly an hour now. |
| 20:28.42 | babilen | happens .. is it working? |
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| 20:32.50 | greycat | mutable_malachi: is it downloading? installing? spewing errors? |
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| 20:34.40 | NoReflex | I copied the files from one HDD to another, fixed the bootloader and now the system boots...but I think the permissions got screwed... |
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| 20:35.32 | greycat | you failed to use rsync? |
| 20:35.43 | NoReflex | i try to run sudo cat /etc/sudoers gives can't open /etc/sudoers permission denied |
| 20:36.03 | greycat | ls -l /usr/bin/sudo |
| 20:36.37 | NoReflex | greycat: it shows up red... |
| 20:36.45 | NoReflex | owned by root, group root |
| 20:37.02 | Caelum | is there an X command to make a beep? |
| 20:37.04 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 20:37.11 | NoReflex | permisions are -rwsr-xr-x |
| 20:37.20 | greycat | those are correct permissions |
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| 20:39.46 | NoReflex | any idea what I can try? |
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| 20:40.58 | nooper | is there an error message? |
| 20:41.23 | NoReflex | can't open /etc/sudoers permission denie |
| 20:42.01 | NoReflex | i booted to recovery mode and now I'm at a root shell |
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| 20:43.44 | nooper | you're using sudo from a root shell? |
| 20:44.08 | NoReflex | sudo nano /etc/sudoers from the root shell still gives permission denied |
| 20:44.14 | NoReflex | but nano /etc/sudoers works... |
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| 20:47.43 | Argafal | NoReflex: so your sudoers permissions don't allow root to use sudo for any command, what is the problem? |
| 20:48.05 | acu07 | if I want the system to rediscover all the hardware and update it - similar to that when you install a new system - what should I do ? |
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| 20:48.15 | NoReflex | Argafal: when booting normally (not in recovery mode) I can;t use sudo either ... from my normal account |
| 20:48.44 | Argafal | NoReflex: the file sudoers specifies the allowed sudo commands. |
| 20:49.04 | Argafal | NoReflex: e.g. on my system my user can only do two specific command including specific arguments. |
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| 20:54.04 | NoReflex | Argafal: I can't use sudo from my normal account at all..even though my user appears in /etc/sudoers |
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| 20:54.49 | greycat | if sudo is the only thing broken, get out of the rescue shell and boot normally, and then try to fix it. |
| 20:55.00 | sylar | how to find the max jumbo frame supported by my NIC? |
| 20:55.04 | Argafal | NoReflex: i guess you need to be more specific to get a more specific answer. :) the general one would be "read the manpage", but if you'd pastebin your sudoers file and the error messages we could have a look. |
| 20:55.46 | Argafal | NoReflex: overall the solution will be: become root (su -) and fix your sudoers file to allow what you want to allow your user as root. |
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| 21:00.28 | NoReflex | the permissions for /etc/sudoers are -r---r------ |
| 21:00.44 | greycat | also correct |
| 21:01.00 | Argafal | NoReflex: if i say permissions for my user i mean the content of the file. |
| 21:01.18 | Argafal | NoReflex: this file specifies what your user is allowed to execute as root using sudo. |
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| 21:01.36 | greycat | except you've got too many dashes. looks like you're RETYPING the permissions strings instead of pasting them. |
| 21:01.37 | Argafal | NoReflex: you COULD say ALL, e.g. whatever the user wants, but that is what i'd consider a security hole. |
| 21:01.43 | greycat | which probably means you are still in the stupid rescue shell. |
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| 21:03.02 | NoReflex | there's a root ALL=(ALL) ALL line inside it |
| 21:04.00 | greycat | check /var/log/auth.log |
| 21:04.08 | greycat | that's where my sudo seems to log things |
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| 21:04.48 | Argafal | NoReflex: what about the specification for your user? |
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| 21:07.03 | NoReflex | that is the only uncommented line...and my user is the only one on the system |
| 21:07.07 | titan8990 | greycat: isn't it actually the syslog daemon that splits it into the auth.log file? |
| 21:07.07 | redtape | hi, I hope somebody can help me with this problem: I'm trying to build a driver for my philips webcam, but I get this error when I do a make, "error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory". uname -r: "2.6.26-2-686" |
| 21:07.22 | greycat | titan8990: don't know. if he'd get out of the damned rescue shell, it wouldn't matter. |
| 21:07.36 | greycat | redtape: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:07.53 | redtape | I already have the linux-headers for my kernel. |
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| 21:08.08 | greycat | then the Makefile for this driver probably makes bad assumptions or was written for a much older Linux |
| 21:08.10 | Argafal | NoReflex: well, if your user doesn't have a line than he has no permission to use sudo. |
| 21:08.14 | greycat | read the Makefile, and fix it |
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| 21:09.00 | alecs1 | hi, since a few days ago my grub has a fancy and slow interface, but which doesn't show any text, only a few icons of Debian whirlwind; is this a known bug with a known workaround? |
| 21:09.34 | NoReflex | Argafal: but there's a # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges |
| 21:09.34 | NoReflex | %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:10.31 | redtape | greycat: what's it doing wrong? Do kernels not normally come with a config.h? |
| 21:10.54 | greycat | it's more likely the "linux/" bit that's wrong. |
| 21:11.10 | greycat | there was an old convention about 10 years ago of putting the kernel's source tree in /usr/src/linux/ |
| 21:11.22 | greycat | that works great until you realize... hey, what if I want more than one? |
| 21:11.25 | Argafal | NoReflex: so:? |
| 21:11.43 | Argafal | NoReflex: i don't think you know yet what you want to accomplish ;-> |
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| 21:12.01 | redtape | greycat: but it even does this: "make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686'" |
| 21:12.15 | Argafal | NoReflex: so my suggestion is: think about the minimum set of commands your user should be possible to execute as root using sudo. |
| 21:12.41 | NoReflex | Argafal: the file /etc/sudoers is the same as it was on my other system (the one with the HDD from which I copied the files) ... |
| 21:12.41 | Argafal | NoReflex: and then enter those with absolute paths in the file after specifying a new line for your user, man 5 sudoers shows the syntax. |
| 21:13.04 | Argafal | NoReflex: so what exactly is your problem then? |
| 21:13.20 | NoReflex | Argafal: when booting in normal mode I can't use sudo |
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| 21:13.50 | karlpinc | NoReflex: So, change the config file so you can. |
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| 21:15.18 | dobie_gillis | is there documentation for just installing one package from sid on an otherwise 'testing' system? |
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| 21:16.26 | Argafal | NoReflex: overall "i can't use" doesn't describe the problem to me/us. why don't you pastebin your sudoers file and your error msgs. also have a look at the auth log and pastebin the error msgs you find in there regarding the last try. |
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| 21:18.16 | greycat | dobie_gillis: backport it. |
| 21:18.29 | greycat | dobie_gillis: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 21:21.27 | dobie_gillis | thanks |
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| 21:23.13 | acu07 | how do I switch sound cards defaults (I have a built in and a USB headphone) and is annoying that I have to randomly push everything to switch from one to other |
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| 21:23.32 | chaochao | HAHA |
| 21:23.35 | chaochao | sorry, caps |
| 21:24.08 | greycat | acu07: create an /etc/asound.conf file with carefully constructed contents |
| 21:24.44 | greycat | ... he left already? |
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| 21:29.06 | titan8990 | on a default system, when you read a manpage with `man`, is it actually opening it in a read-only vi? |
| 21:29.17 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i check if an interface has vlan tagging enabled on it? |
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| 21:30.32 | greycat | titan8990: it should default to "less" or "more" or "pg" depending on the system |
| 21:30.58 | greycat | titan8990: or possibly even "pager", although note that the $PAGER variable overrides this |
| 21:31.41 | Number5 | hello guys, can someone please guide me with alsa? I installed Debian Lenny 32 bits on my amd64 machine and got my audio working. But reinstalled Debian Lenny for amd64 reinstalled ALSA but still don't hear anything. It must be something stupid, so please help. |
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| 21:32.39 | Number5 | I know it works, but now somehow have no sound |
| 21:33.03 | greycat | did you unmute the channels? |
| 21:33.29 | titan8990 | Number5: add your user to the audio group? |
| 21:33.50 | NoReflex | Argafal: I added my_user ALL=(ALL) ALL to /etc/sudoers but when I boot in normal mode it still won't let me run sudo ... the error is my_user : can't open /etc/sudoers Permision denied TTY=tty1; PWD = /home/my_user COMMAND = /usr/bin/aptitude update |
| 21:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 21:34.13 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 21:35.29 | greycat | ah, nice. |
| 21:35.46 | NoReflex | Argafal: also mysql is refusing to start...it says mysql can't write to /tmp/ibpDoWO2 |
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| 21:35.55 | greycat | It's missing "google for 3 hours and write an asound.conf file with no real documentation" but I can forgive that. |
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| 21:37.53 | Argafal | NoReflex: is your fs mounted read-only? |
| 21:37.59 | Argafal | check mount/fstab. |
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| 21:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, 't was in there, but got deleted as "lame advice" - beats me why |
| 21:38.11 | greycat | NoReflex: make sure perms on /tmp are 1777 (drwxrwxrwt) |
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| 21:38.56 | k\t | f'n deb mirrors... =\ |
| 21:39.12 | Number5 | titan8990, sorry was distracted by my son. But what do you mean with add user to the audio group? |
| 21:39.26 | NoReflex | greycat: those are the permissions for /tmp on my machine as well |
| 21:39.34 | greycat | Number5: grep audio /etc/group |
| 21:39.41 | titan8990 | Number5: the user your logged into has to be in the group "audio" in order to hear sound |
| 21:39.56 | titan8990 | sorry, play sound |
| 21:39.57 | Number5 | hmmm |
| 21:39.59 | NoReflex | Argafal: mount says: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 21:40.33 | Number5 | how can I add user to audio, sorry for the stupid questions |
| 21:40.43 | greycat | "adduser username audio" |
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| 21:40.53 | greycat | and then log out and back in |
| 21:41.09 | Number5 | hmmm, stange I didn't remember such configuring |
| 21:41.24 | greycat | I think the installer adds your first user account to a bunch of groups like audio and video |
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| 21:41.38 | greycat | But any user accounts you create afterward, aren't special like that. |
| 21:41.41 | titan8990 | greycat: AFAIK thats only if you select the desktop task |
| 21:41.46 | greycat | ah, ok |
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| 21:42.26 | greycat | "You need to be in group `video' for 3D acceleration" is another thing that's not as well documented as it should be. |
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| 21:43.43 | NoReflex | Argafal: I run into these problems when I copied the files on the / partition on a IDE HDD to my new SATA HDD. |
| 21:44.10 | greycat | NoReflex: what are the permissions on / itself? ls -ld / |
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| 21:45.34 | jimcooncat | is there a fuse fs available similar to a website spider? like curlftpfs for http instead of ftp? |
| 21:45.45 | NoReflex | greycat drwx-------- 22 my_user my_user 4096 datetime / |
| 21:45.49 | greycat | aha! |
| 21:45.57 | greycat | NoReflex: chown root:root /; chmod 755 / |
| 21:46.10 | Argafal | =) |
| 21:46.10 | abrotman | wtf .. |
| 21:46.35 | greycat | I still don't know why the fuck he's retyping permissions instead of pasting. |
| 21:46.52 | NoReflex | greycat: the new machine has no internet connection ... |
| 21:46.55 | abrotman | greycat: he's hiding his user name .. and uh .. time |
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| 21:47.17 | greycat | you can't ssh from your IRC box where you're sitting to the target...? eh, never mind. |
| 21:47.38 | Hydroxide | greycat: if he means network connection, then no :) |
| 21:47.49 | greycat | He probably couldn't even login, and didn't bother saying that. |
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| 21:48.08 | greycat | Then again, with his personal account owning / he might have been able to, but nobody else would've. |
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| 21:50.26 | k\t | hmm...-> seems that the headers issue has been resolved... |
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| 21:51.04 | NoReflex | greycat: don't know how the / permissions got that way...i Just copied the files; anyway it seems to work ok now; thank you very much for your time and patience |
| 21:51.34 | NoReflex | Argafal: thank you too |
| 21:51.39 | titan8990 | NoReflex: did you use an option that copies permissions? e.g. cp -a, rsync -a |
| 21:51.47 | NoReflex | titan8990: mc |
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| 21:52.03 | NoReflex | AFAIK mc copies permissions by deafult |
| 21:52.18 | Argafal | NoReflex: glad you solved it! |
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| 22:01.23 | nsadmin | ponyofdeath: init 1, get in as root, set password |
| 22:01.27 | nvz | I've just been sitting here silently contemplating turning my monitor back off.. haha |
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| 22:01.46 | greycat | "init 3" is not Debian either. |
| 22:01.50 | greycat | Debian uses run level 2 by default. |
| 22:02.08 | ponyofdeath | greycat: so if I do this with an simple password like "changeme" i get locked out in both run levels |
| 22:02.14 | Number5 | I installed alsa using "apt-get install alsa" than did alsaconf and than did adduser user audio, but still nothing |
| 22:02.33 | nvz | Number5: type groups |
| 22:03.10 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin, greycat: is there a way to log me in automatically withould going through pam in init 2? |
| 22:03.18 | nvz | Number5: new group memberships do not take effect until you login again, groups would show if you are actually a member of the audio group or not. |
| 22:03.40 | Number5 | andaluz dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 22:03.52 | Number5 | andaluz is my username on my machine |
| 22:04.27 | nsadmin | Number5 and the name of a group as well |
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| 22:04.57 | nvz | Number5: is there anything coming up when you cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 22:05.00 | Number5 | nsadmin, what do you mean? |
| 22:05.11 | Number5 | one moment |
| 22:06.39 | Number5 | nvz, http://pastebin.org/100789 |
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| 22:07.06 | cristi8 | hi.. is this normal? aptitude safe-upgrade wants to remove a lot from my system.. including gedit for example http://paste.debian.net/62318/ |
| 22:07.07 | nsadmin | ponyofdeath: so you just now installed,,, right? |
| 22:07.14 | Number5 | it's detecting the soundcard and everything should work, it's just something stupid arggg |
| 22:07.17 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: yes second time |
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| 22:07.35 | nsadmin | and you set the password both times? |
| 22:07.36 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: re-install after first time i set root pasword and would not take in either init 1 or init 2 |
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| 22:07.51 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: this time i left root password blank |
| 22:08.14 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: and in init 1 i get auto logged in but in init 2 still does not take my password |
| 22:08.18 | nsadmin | I wonder if the keyboard is set up differently after you get in |
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| 22:08.24 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: at this point yes |
| 22:08.36 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: even tho i have enabled serial console in inittab |
| 22:08.45 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: and same result |
| 22:08.51 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: from the serial console |
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| 22:09.00 | nsadmin | so then the passwds don't match even tho you hit the same keys |
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| 22:09.15 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: yeah something like that |
| 22:09.29 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: is there a way to disable the passwd auth in inittab |
| 22:09.41 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: so that i can set up networking and to an upgrade |
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| 22:10.02 | nsadmin | not that I know of |
| 22:10.12 | nvz | Number5: pasting that really wasn't needed. if you're gonna paste something, the lsmod output would have been more useful. I only asked you if something was in there or not |
| 22:10.15 | nsadmin | but, the issue is your keyboard |
| 22:10.25 | nsadmin | as far as I can tell from a distance |
| 22:10.35 | jetscreamer | oops, restored from backup , autojoin debian enabled |
| 22:10.39 | jetscreamer | bye |
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| 22:11.03 | nvz | fine, we didn't like you anyways :-P |
| 22:11.06 | ponyofdeath | why would it do the same thing through serial console then |
| 22:11.09 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: |
| 22:12.06 | nsadmin | I mean it could be as simple as caps lock on vs caps lock off |
| 22:12.19 | Number5 | nvz, well yes there is. Yesterday my soundcard worked, but I reinstalled Debian Lenny because I installed the wrong Debian Lenny which is for 686 platform. While I have amd64. So today I installed the right Debian Lenny and now my sound doesn't work |
| 22:12.38 | ponyofdeath | nsadmin: i set the password to blank im just pushing enter |
| 22:13.13 | nvz | Number5: I have an AMD 64bit processor, and I use the i386 arch.. |
| 22:13.59 | Number5 | nvz, nice to know, but now I have an audio problem |
| 22:14.57 | nsadmin | ponyofdeath then you should keep the machine off the net most of the time |
| 22:15.36 | nvz | Number5: yeah I caught the gist of that, I'm thinking its more of a user problem because you were simple enough to reinstall AMD64 over i386 for no good reason.. so who knows what you're over looking here. lsmod output would be where I'd start |
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| 22:16.15 | nsadmin | ponyofdeath has debian or any other linux worked on that machine with that keyboard before? |
| 22:17.21 | Number5 | nvz, the reason is that your Linux kernel is not optimized for your processor, which means apllications running on you rsystem is less faster and that would be a waste. Otherwise, why don't you use a Intel's 386 |
| 22:17.55 | nvz | Number5: you could have just apt-get installed an AMD64 kernel so I'm not buying that excuse |
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| 22:18.30 | nvz | Number5: I don't run it because I have a 32bit app I use that performs 10 times worse on 64bit than it does on 32bit userland |
| 22:18.46 | cristi8 | aptitude safe-upgrade wants to remove gedit and other useful packages (not only libs).. what should i do? |
| 22:18.46 | Number5 | we can discuss this later. After performing alsaconf it detected the card and didn't see any error messages... |
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| 22:19.19 | nvz | Number5: we already know that from your /proc/asound/cards output earlier. |
| 22:19.28 | nsadmin | cristi8 write down the packages it wants to remove, or save the list somewhere |
| 22:19.30 | nvz | what we still don't know is what modules are loaded on that system |
| 22:19.32 | Number5 | I checked the audio cable of my headphone, is ok |
| 22:19.34 | cristi8 | http://paste.debian.net/62318/ |
| 22:19.35 | cristi8 | done that |
| 22:19.37 | nsadmin | then install them after |
| 22:20.29 | nsadmin | btw why are you doing an upgrade? what do you want to do? |
| 22:20.45 | cristi8 | just update to recent versions of my packages |
| 22:20.59 | Number5 | pffff, I'm wasting hours for such a stupid thing |
| 22:21.17 | cristi8 | systray icon said i have updates available.. and isn't aptitude safe-upgrade what i should do to install them? |
| 22:21.40 | cristi8 | (i only installed upgrades by hand, so they're not in that list) |
| 22:21.44 | nsadmin | what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:21.46 | nvz | Number5: should have thought of that before you unnecesarily reinstalled a working system |
| 22:21.54 | cristi8 | lenny, but i think it was etch before |
| 22:22.12 | nsadmin | so are you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny? |
| 22:22.20 | nvz | Number5: the sooner you show me what modules are loaded, the sooner I can tell you how to narrow down where the problem is |
| 22:22.21 | jhutchins_lt | Number5: sound is one of the things that's tricky on amd64. Google your chipset + amd64 |
| 22:22.21 | cristi8 | no, i did that a long time ago |
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| 22:22.45 | cristi8 | but i never used aptitude safe-upgrade on this system untill now.. i used to use synaptic package manager |
| 22:22.57 | nsadmin | so overall you want to get a later version of lenny |
| 22:23.10 | cristi8 | no, i have all the upgrades install |
| 22:23.23 | cristi8 | but when a security update apears, i can't do aptitude safe-upgrade to install them |
| 22:23.35 | cristi8 | because that will remove those listed packages |
| 22:23.54 | nsadmin | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 22:24.45 | Number5 | nvz, ok I'll do that |
| 22:24.55 | cristi8 | hmm.. http://paste.debian.net/62322/ |
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| 22:25.27 | cristi8 | i should comment out etch reps |
| 22:26.18 | nsadmin | yeah, not sure that will affect it but it could if the etch -> lenny upgrade wasn't complete |
| 22:26.54 | Number5 | nvz, here it is: http://pastebin.org/100793 |
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| 22:27.33 | cristi8 | nsadmin: now it wants to remove same packages (i think), and wants to upgrade a few cups-related packages |
| 22:27.51 | nvz | Number5: as your user type cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:28.00 | nvz | Number5: take the headphones out of your ears.. heh |
| 22:28.09 | nsadmin | so copy/paste the list of packages it wants to remove into a file |
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| 22:28.34 | Number5 | ok |
| 22:28.38 | nsadmin | I wonder if a full-upgrade would work better |
| 22:28.48 | nvz | Number5: no errors? |
| 22:29.11 | cristi8 | nsadmin: full-upgrade has the same output.. |
| 22:29.28 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 22:29.38 | cristi8 | nsadmin: so i should save output, parse it to have only package names listed, then remove them, and then aptitude install [list of pkges] ? |
| 22:29.52 | nsadmin | what's a package it's going to remove that you want? |
| 22:30.02 | Number5 | andaluz@debian:~$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:30.02 | Number5 | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 22:30.02 | Number5 | andaluz@debian:~$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:30.02 | Number5 | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 22:30.02 | Number5 | andaluz@debian:~$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 22:30.02 | cristi8 | gedit |
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| 22:30.17 | nvz | nice |
| 22:30.20 | Number5 | sorry |
| 22:30.28 | Number5 | one moment |
| 22:30.31 | nvz | Number5: same thing happen as root? |
| 22:30.33 | abrotman | something using sound is working |
| 22:30.35 | nsadmin | ok, try this: aptitude why not gedit |
| 22:31.21 | Number5 | I'll try that |
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| 22:31.43 | cristi8 | nsadmin: Unable to find a reason to remove gedit. |
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| 22:32.36 | Number5 | same result, it's like generating that random sound, but I hear nothing |
| 22:33.09 | nsadmin | ok, try this: aptitude --show-why safe-upgrade 2>&1 | tee ~/apt.log |
| 22:33.11 | nvz | Number5: are you deaf? how do yo know its generating a sound if you hear nothing? |
| 22:33.15 | Number5 | The audio is really a pain in the @ss on Linux |
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| 22:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, it's not |
| 22:33.47 | nvz | so are the users. they have a working system, then they just reinstall it for no good reason |
| 22:33.55 | Number5 | because I had to do Ctrl+C to stop random data sending to the dsp |
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| 22:34.21 | nsadmin | there's at least one driver developer who won't touch alsa |
| 22:34.59 | nvz | ok.. then that indicates two problems.. one is, your user is not able to access the device nodes, and that the sound card IS working properly, but you likely have the mixer muted or headphones plugged in the wrong place or something |
| 22:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, it's the windows mentality... at some time they figure that rebooting does zip with linux, so they have to think "hey, but reinstalling must still solve all problems like it used to" |
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| 22:35.52 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: he didn't even have a problem though. he reinstalled the whole OS to get an AMD64 kernel |
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| 22:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well, then everything is fine, no? He did it for the learning experience... |
| 22:36.51 | nvz | just because of a supposed need for such a thing and lack of realization that you can just install one |
| 22:36.51 | cristi8 | nsadmin: no explanation given for none of the packages |
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| 22:37.16 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: people who do it to learn don't whine about what they did on IRC |
| 22:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Number5, fuser /dev/dsp - kill that process |
| 22:37.51 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: he says it was writing to it as root |
| 22:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, ha, in what world do YOU live?! |
| 22:37.55 | Deeps | Hi, I was wondering if there were any security implications running samba over an unsecured WAN? IE, how insecure is it if my windows 7 host connects to a remote samba server over the internet? |
| 22:37.55 | nsadmin | cristi8 you could let it remove them then reinstall them after (since you have a list) |
| 22:38.15 | nsadmin | , versions gedit |
| 22:38.15 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: so its not the device node in use causing the problem it seems |
| 22:38.16 | judd | gedit -- etch: 2.14.4-8; lenny: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.22.3-1+lenny1; sid: 2.28.3-1; squeeze: 2.28.3-1 |
| 22:38.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, you don't get "device busy" with permission problems, though |
| 22:38.41 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: note the error always indicates device OR RESOURCE in use |
| 22:39.00 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: which indicates it may have nothing to do with the device node at all |
| 22:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* then :) |
| 22:39.07 | Number5 | ok, is there an audio software to see the wave-activity or something to see the audio level? |
| 22:39.09 | titan8990 | Deeps: unless something has changed as of recently SMB is not internet routable |
| 22:39.27 | Deeps | titan8990: incorrect, it is, both over ipv4 and ipv6 too. |
| 22:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't use the sound card without goingggg through one of them |
| 22:39.36 | titan8990 | Deeps: use a protocol that was meant to be used over the internet such as sftp, webdav, or ftp |
| 22:39.37 | nsadmin | that's strange, it's the same version |
| 22:40.03 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but resources can be used by anything on the system.. could be IRQ conflicts..etc |
| 22:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "goingggg" - nice, ain't it - still same kernel bug I was whining about previously (although I stopped one of the processes running at 100PU) |
| 22:40.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I restarted it :) |
| 22:40.26 | nvz | a kernel/driver bug..etc |
| 22:41.03 | cristi8 | nsadmin: i found something interesting.. first lines of http://paste.debian.net/62324/ |
| 22:41.27 | Deeps | Anyone else know if there are any security implications running samba over an unsecured WAN? |
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| 22:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean except that the protocol sends plaintext password-equivalents over the net? |
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| 22:44.25 | nsadmin | cristi8 looks like I can't reach paste.debian.net |
| 22:44.27 | PARLIAMENT | how does debian know that my default choice for packages is testing? I mean, I have several repos in sources.list. How does it know to pick testing when I apt-get install a package that's in both testing and experimental? |
| 22:44.31 | streuner | How about to buy a machine which are able to use secure WLAN? |
| 22:44.34 | Hebram | If your aren't encrypting your credentials, anyone can associate to your unsecured WAN, sniff the traffic, and own the username/password. |
| 22:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | PARLIAMENT, packages from experimental are never chosen until you specifically request it |
| 22:45.05 | titan8990 | Deeps: yeah, looks like that was added with CIFS |
| 22:45.07 | jetscreamer | ok sorry took out the autojoin now bye |
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| 22:45.21 | OperaFan | Hi, is there a way to rollback a package that's broken? a change in OpenSLL has broken Lighttpd, but my system has no compiler to compile the patched version, and no binary is forcoming on incoming debian either. I need to get my webserver up and running again... |
| 22:45.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 22:45.29 | cristi8 | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/NWxtg3rL |
| 22:45.57 | PARLIAMENT | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, ok. so if I were running stable and I added testing to the sources.list, then it would choose testing by default because it's higher? |
| 22:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | OperaFan, if it's a single package, it can still be in /var/cache/apt/archives and you can dpkg -i it |
| 22:46.37 | titan8990 | Hebram: I believe you are mixing up WAN (wide area network) with "wireless area network" (which isn't a term commonly used... or at all) |
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| 22:46.51 | abrotman | WLAN |
| 22:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | PARLIAMENT, not necessarily, you can have a default distribution or pinning rules - /msg dpkg pinning |
| 22:46.54 | titan8990 | Hebram: WLAN |
| 22:47.12 | nsadmin | line 3 |
| 22:47.19 | Hebram | titan8998: You are correct. I did. |
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| 22:47.51 | kaduk_ | Hi |
| 22:47.53 | nsadmin | so look thru the list of packages it wants to remove |
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| 22:47.56 | kaduk_ | how to emit to Xorg key pressed ? |
| 22:48.03 | kaduk_ | like many times in a loop |
| 22:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, "unsecured" suggests he a) meant wlan or b) anyone can plug in and possibly sniff (perhaps after tricking some switches) |
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| 22:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, so the difference to wlan wouldn't be so big :) |
| 22:48.30 | kaduk_ | ? |
| 22:48.36 | nsadmin | and pick out the ones that are DIRECTLY useful to you |
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| 22:48.56 | cristi8 | yes.. and? |
| 22:48.59 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: I assumed it meant he did not have any type of firewall or NAT device... just a box completely exposed |
| 22:49.09 | nsadmin | (for example gedit but not libgedit unless you are a programmer and use that lib) |
| 22:49.27 | PARLIAMENT | OperaFan: not sure if this is helpful but when a package update is broken, I just apt-get install whateverpackage/stable |
| 22:49.31 | PARLIAMENT | OperaFan: or /testing |
| 22:50.02 | infotek | hi i'm wanting to install debian on a server for proview.se software. I looked at downloading the DVD's and found that there were 4 full DVD's! is there an explanation at to what is in each DVD? What DVD's do I need to do an off-line install? |
| 22:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, oh, and trusting the guys in the same net? You're right, that'd be different |
| 22:50.11 | nsadmin | cristi8 got that list? |
| 22:50.28 | cristi8 | what list? |
| 22:50.38 | nsadmin | so look thru the list of packages it wants to remove |
| 22:50.39 | cristi8 | i get it, pick the ones that i need, but not their deps |
| 22:50.40 | nsadmin | and pick out the ones that are DIRECTLY useful to you |
| 22:50.49 | PARLIAMENT | OperaFan: and you have to change your sources.list to include that repository, and apt-get update |
| 22:50.49 | nsadmin | that list |
| 22:51.04 | titan8990 | OperaFan: if you remove the new package you can likely use dpkg to install the old one from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:51.39 | titan8990 | infotek: you only need the 150mb netinst cd |
| 22:51.43 | cristi8 | got it... `aptitude install gedit` also wants to remove all those packages.. but `apt-get install gedit` said "gedit set to manually installed." |
| 22:52.02 | cristi8 | i'll do this for all the packages that i need directly.. thanks |
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| 22:52.07 | titan8990 | infotek: the DVDs contain *all* the software that can be downloaded and installed in debian |
| 22:52.13 | nsadmin | *: how do you get aptitude to think a package was directly installed by the system owner |
| 22:52.34 | infotek | titan8990: I want to do an off-line install |
| 22:52.57 | titan8990 | infotek: netinst can provide and off-line install, but not of additional packages |
| 22:53.24 | titan8990 | infotek: otherwise you would get cd1 (which is a waste of bandwidth imo) |
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| 22:53.42 | titan8990 | infotek: the DVDs if you planned to keep it offline... but then it wouldn't be much of a server |
| 22:53.57 | infotek | titan8990: right so i'm thinking i will need more than netinst... |
| 22:54.27 | titan8990 | infotek: after the installation... connect to the internet and install and packages you need for your server application and security |
| 22:54.32 | cristi8 | nsadmin: manpage sais "unmarkauto", but it doesn't work |
| 22:54.40 | infotek | titan8990: it would be very much a server. it would be a SCADA server that monitors gas lines throughout a county |
| 22:54.42 | cristi8 | i'll use apt-get install , cuz it works fine |
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| 22:54.57 | cristi8 | as in "marks them manually installed" |
| 22:54.58 | nsadmin | unmarkauto isn't working? |
| 22:55.17 | nsadmin | what do you mean exactly by doesn't work for this case? |
| 22:55.27 | infotek | titan8990: critical infrastructure should not have direct access to the internet. |
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| 22:55.38 | cristi8 | .. `aptitude unmarkauto evolution` offers to remove the same list of packages :| |
| 22:55.40 | titan8990 | infotek: the DVDs are not going to contain recent security updates, which will need to be downloaded and installed, unless you use the livecd |
| 22:55.45 | cristi8 | including evolution |
| 22:55.58 | nsadmin | something is WRONG... |
| 22:56.26 | infotek | titan8990: So where is a description of the DVD contents? Or a Package list? |
| 22:56.35 | titan8990 | infotek: I am not familar with those types of servers. Servers I am familar with host services to be used by other people |
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| 22:57.03 | titan8990 | infotek: packages.debian.org; it should contain all the software packages in debian, minus the security updates |
| 22:57.06 | cristi8 | i may have screwed things up when i installed some packages from unstable some time ago.. maybe |
| 22:57.06 | nsadmin | try apt-get install aptitude |
| 22:57.16 | cristi8 | aptitude is already the newest version. |
| 22:57.19 | infotek | this is not much help |
| 22:57.30 | titan8990 | infotek: that may or may not include contrib and non-free repositories, couldn't say for sure |
| 22:57.39 | nsadmin | try aptitude update |
| 22:57.47 | infotek | titan8990: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0-iso/ has text files per iso that tell whats in the the thing |
| 22:57.54 | titan8990 | infotek: what would be? you really want a list of 20,000 packages? |
| 22:58.07 | cristi8 | .. `aptitude show aptitude` shows that Version: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1 |
| 22:58.12 | titan8990 | !stats |
| 22:58.12 | dpkg | Since Wed Mar 3 12:05:02 2010, there have been 5 modifications, 90 questions, 19 dunnos, 0 morons and 23 commands. I have been awake for 10h 53m 10s this session, and currently reference 39156 factoids. I'm using about 16316 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 39.43/2.51 child 0/0 |
| 22:58.32 | infotek | titan8990: it would let me know if i needed DVD 4 or DVD 3 |
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| 23:00.10 | titan8990 | infotek: if that is the concern, you can just download what packages you want from packages.debian.org, instead of getting DVDs that contain tons of packages you won't use |
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| 23:00.20 | h725 | what's the (best) way to install XEN dom0 on debian lenny with a kernel >= 2.6.27 |
| 23:00.45 | titan8990 | !tell h725 about xen |
| 23:01.10 | nsadmin | first find a kernel >= 2.6.27 that can be a dom0 or domU |
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| 23:01.31 | nsadmin | xen dev tends to lag |
| 23:01.33 | h725 | tital8990 thanks for the pointer to #debian-xen |
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| 23:02.30 | titan8990 | does anyone recall the dpkgbot command that returns total packages for a release? |
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| 23:02.45 | Kobaz | i'm not too familiar with xen... are there any like... prebuilt distros that you can just install and have xen up and goign |
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| 23:03.00 | Number5 | nvz, audio is working again, thanks to a dude from the alsa channel. Somehow, the audio output was still muted. I set audiochannels to unmute like: amixer set 'Master' unmute |
| 23:03.03 | h725 | titan8990 you know that #debian-xen on oftc is deserted? |
| 23:03.20 | Number5 | nvz, I just want to thank you for your effort to help me, thnx. |
| 23:03.33 | h725 | nsadmin: how would I find such a kernel? |
| 23:03.42 | nvz | Number5: no problem. I said it was likely a mute or faulty output hardware a while ago |
| 23:03.50 | h725 | i was wondering if any kernel supporting pv_ops can be used as a xen dom0 kernel? |
| 23:03.53 | nsadmin | Number5: so the guy who was helping you here had the right conclusion |
| 23:03.55 | Number5 | nvz, goodnight |
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| 23:04.09 | cristi8 | nsadmin: thanks for the help, i'll apt-get install what i need and hope that nothing else goes wrong with my mixed-system... |
| 23:04.13 | nvz | Number5: the alsa people as you call them have a script for diagnosing problems I just don't remember what its called |
| 23:04.15 | titan8990 | h725: specific channels can be. luckily there is usually an equivelent mailing list |
| 23:04.34 | Number5 | nvz, yes I ran the script, which was very cool |
| 23:04.41 | nsadmin | cristi8: you should unmix your system and backport instead |
| 23:04.55 | titan8990 | cristi8: use aptitude, don't mix releases |
| 23:05.12 | cristi8 | how can i downgrade everything to lenny? |
| 23:05.22 | cristi8 | (from unstable for example) |
| 23:05.24 | titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 23:05.25 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:05.50 | nsadmin | do you have a list of packages you got from later dists? |
| 23:05.59 | cristi8 | no.. |
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| 23:06.02 | titan8990 | cristi8: safest would be to restore from backup, or /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 23:07.00 | cristi8 | got it |
| 23:07.10 | nsadmin | how can I get a list of packages I would have installed from a later dist than the one I'm on? |
| 23:07.32 | NoReflex | hello! does anyone know how to get the current CPU temperature for a Dell Poweredge 860 / 850 server? /proc/acpi/thermal_zone is empty |
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| 23:07.58 | NoReflex | ipmitool won't return CPU temps; only planar (whatever that is) and Temp... |
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| 23:08.39 | titan8990 | NoReflex: try lm-sensors |
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| 23:11.15 | Whoop | Hi, does anyone know why php-apc has disappeared from squeeze? |
| 23:11.30 | Whoop | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/php-apc - but its in google's cache so used to exist |
| 23:11.32 | nvz | yeah, ipmitool sounds impotent |
| 23:11.38 | nvz | haha |
| 23:12.00 | nvz | Whoop: nobody likes php, want proof? |
| 23:12.09 | Whoop | ok nvz |
| 23:12.13 | Whoop | Anyone have a real answer? |
| 23:12.28 | nvz | I was being serious.. but whatever |
| 23:12.32 | titan8990 | !wnpp |
| 23:12.33 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 23:12.58 | nsadmin | !why is php-apc not in testing |
| 23:12.59 | dpkg | php-apc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php-apc |
| 23:12.59 | \amethyst | !why is php-apc not in testing |
| 23:13.03 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:13.06 | titan8990 | nvz: that doesn't mean it was leading to something helpful |
| 23:13.19 | \amethyst | Whoop: probably was removed to allow some kind of transition |
| 23:13.38 | NoReflex | titan8990: lm-sensors just gives the value 0 for all fields except cpu0_vid |
| 23:13.46 | nvz | titan8990: it would be unless you're too stupid to reach the realization: "oh, PHP does suck, maybe I should stop using it.." |
| 23:13.46 | ranix | Whoop: you may backport it from sid |
| 23:13.56 | ranix | judd: versions php-apc |
| 23:13.58 | judd | php-apc -- etch-backports: 3.0.19-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.0.19-2; sid: 3.0.19-3 |
| 23:14.04 | \amethyst | probably doesn't even require a backport |
| 23:14.11 | Whoop | Hmm |
| 23:14.17 | Whoop | That link says it has to be 10 days old? |
| 23:14.20 | \amethyst | chances are the version in sid can be installed directly in testing |
| 23:14.20 | Whoop | So I just need to wait? |
| 23:14.28 | \amethyst | well |
| 23:14.45 | \amethyst | it might take more than 10 days because of the mips backlogs |
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| 23:14.50 | nsadmin | it's in stable... |
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| 23:15.06 | Whoop | Its outdated in stable nsadmin |
| 23:15.09 | Whoop | No worries, I'll wait |
| 23:15.10 | Whoop | thanks guys |
| 23:15.14 | nvz | If you had taken me on my offer of proof you'd know that the php maintainers are streched thin and themselves don't really like PHP, so.. waiting will be awhile |
| 23:15.32 | \amethyst | Whoop: lenny and sid have the same upstream version |
| 23:15.38 | Whoop | they do? Hmm :-| |
| 23:15.43 | nsadmin | it's the same version (plus an upload) in sid |
| 23:15.46 | Whoop | ok, might as well grab that then :-| |
| 23:15.47 | Whoop | ty |
| 23:15.48 | nvz | unless someone who actually does like PHP starts to help with the process of maintaining the crap |
| 23:15.58 | \amethyst | Whoop: 3.0.19 in both---the only change is a built-time fix to allow it to be built against php 5.3 |
| 23:16.07 | \amethyst | s/built-time/build-time/ |
| 23:16.19 | titan8990 | nvz: your totally right, the world should stop using it immediatly... if it really worked like that, we would have saw things like FTP replaced and phased out yers ago |
| 23:16.38 | titan8990 | nvz: but no matter how crappy or insecure FTP really is, it still gets the job done |
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| 23:17.15 | nvz | titan8990: ftp still has legitimate uses and isn't as much of a pain in the ass to maintain |
| 23:17.28 | OperaFan | can someone explain the difference between sid and squeeze? I'm not totally sure, and how do I control which I get? |
| 23:17.41 | nsadmin | sid is where the action is |
| 23:17.48 | titan8990 | OperaFan: if you have to ask that question, you shouldn't be using either |
| 23:18.19 | nsadmin | I don't think the question he asked was "should I use them" |
| 23:18.30 | nvz | !dbugs 380731 |
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| 23:18.31 | OperaFan | I know sid is bleeding edge, and squeeze is kinda new packages that have had a least a little testing. But Lenny is too out of date.. |
| 23:18.35 | dpkg | #380731:W[php5] php5: Embedded PHP interpreter missing (); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:03:01 UTC [] |
| 23:18.40 | Bastihase | !dpkg lol |
| 23:18.40 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 23:18.57 | nvz | that is a rather funny example of what I am talking about... |
| 23:19.11 | Bastihase | !dpkg nvz |
| 23:19.17 | OperaFan | how do I control what I get? |
| 23:19.22 | titan8990 | OperaFan: sid is unstable, and squeeze is testing. neither are release and neither should be expected to work as intended all the time. IMO, if you want a bleeding-edge distro, use a distro meant to be bleeding edge |
| 23:19.44 | nvz | PHP is a royal pain in the ass to maintain, it changes too quickly, has too many modules, and none of the people who use the crapfest wanna do anything but bitch about the availablity of shit. |
| 23:19.49 | titan8990 | OperaFan: debian is historically very oriented towards stability and quality with not so much regard to shiny new stuff |
| 23:20.05 | OperaFan | Unfortunatly Ubuntu dumped Armv5 support... |
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| 23:20.33 | titan8990 | OperaFan: so use gentoo, doesn't get much more bleeding edge |
| 23:20.34 | OperaFan | and I don't want a compiler on my embedded system and cross compiling is a nono, so that rules out Gentoo. |
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| 23:20.56 | nsadmin | why is cross compiling a nono? |
| 23:21.18 | OperaFan | because it's so freaking flakey... |
| 23:22.15 | nevyn | cross compiling is so not a no-no |
| 23:22.24 | OperaFan | what is it with the Linux community never answering questions with straightforward answers? Is there no wat to select Sid or Squeeze? |
| 23:22.25 | titan8990 | OperaFan: do you think that all the maintainers of packages have arm machines to compile on? |
| 23:22.37 | nevyn | titan8990: buildboxes |
| 23:22.45 | titan8990 | OperaFan: sources.list |
| 23:22.55 | titan8990 | OperaFan: /msg dpkg sid; /msg dpkg squeeze |
| 23:23.16 | nevyn | one of my major grumbles is dd's upload the package they built for their arch. and the source deb and it get's built for every other arch |
| 23:23.56 | nevyn | so the arch with the lowest integrity build environment for it's packages is amd64 / i386 |
| 23:24.26 | nvz | OperaFan: it takes a corporate board of directors, investments, and whatnot to have straightforward answers (lies). |
| 23:24.44 | nevyn | and many dd's use things like sbuild to replicated a local buildd for the package they upload. |
| 23:25.02 | OperaFan | thanks, removed the sid entry from sources.list |
| 23:25.02 | \amethyst | nevyn: oh, the package doesn't get rebuilt for the uploader's arch? Wasn't there some suggestion to do that a few years ago? |
| 23:25.19 | nevyn | \amethyst: yeah it's come up several times |
| 23:25.34 | llimeht | \amethyst: that's likely to be implemented RSN |
| 23:25.39 | nevyn | oh? |
| 23:25.45 | nevyn | it's going to happen YAY |
| 23:25.50 | nevyn | does a little happy dance |
| 23:26.13 | itsx | hi folks :) |
| 23:26.20 | nvz | rains on nevyn's happy dance and then zips up his pants |
| 23:26.28 | nevyn | ewww... |
| 23:26.59 | nvz | wanders outside for a smoke and to listen to some shitty music. |
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| 23:27.21 | nevyn | OperaFan: I use archs where the target couldn't run a compiler |
| 23:27.27 | nevyn | cross compiling is AWESOME |
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| 23:28.15 | DogBoy | like what nevyn |
| 23:28.29 | nevyn | AVR's ;) |
| 23:28.33 | nevyn | very small arm's |
| 23:28.37 | DogBoy | what? |
| 23:28.44 | llimeht | nevyn: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/11/msg00001.html |
| 23:28.48 | nevyn | Atmel AVR's |
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| 23:29.47 | itsx | please is here anyone informed about iceweasel download manager anyhow ? |
| 23:31.03 | titan8990 | itsx: what? |
| 23:31.31 | acu | to change ownership to a folder /var/www/folder I should do chown X /var/www/folder ? |
| 23:31.35 | nevyn | llimeht: so I in casual conversation said that's what should happen in 2004. |
| 23:32.32 | titan8990 | acu: yes, thats right |
| 23:32.45 | \amethyst | acu: (as root) |
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| 23:33.16 | itsx | titan8990: srry i didnt express clearly ... i have a problem with that manager ... |
| 23:33.41 | titan8990 | itsx: is it a debian package or an extension you downloaded? |
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| 23:34.52 | itsx | titan8990: hmm i think a package - i installed it via apt-get |
| 23:35.12 | acu | I want to give write privildeges to nobody and apache |
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| 23:36.19 | \amethyst | acu: giving 'nobody' write permissions on anything is highly unrecommended (the whole point of 'nobody' is that the user doesn't have any special permissions) |
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| 23:37.33 | \amethyst | acu: and giving www-data write permissions on things inside /var/www is also a serious security problem, because it means that an attacker who manages to subvert one of your webapps will be able to have apache serve arbitrary pages (and, if php is enabled, execute arbitrary code) |
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| 23:40.23 | \amethyst | acu: but if you want to ignore these concerns.... to make a directory writable by multiple users, you can either create a group to which both users belong, chgrp the directory, and make it group-writable; or use ACLs: setfacl u:www-data:rwx,u:nobody:rwx /path/to/dir (you need to mount the filesystem with the 'acl' option) |
| 23:40.42 | titan8990 | \amethyst: wouldn't it be needed for any CMS systems? |
| 23:40.53 | \amethyst | titan8990: they shouldn't need to store their data under /var/www |
| 23:41.05 | \amethyst | titan8990: they can use a different directory for that, one that's not served by apache |
| 23:41.49 | titan8990 | \amethyst: moinmoin wiki stores its data in flat files from what I have read... alternate directory? |
| 23:41.50 | \amethyst | titan8990: unless, I guess, this is some sort of static cache |
| 23:42.27 | \amethyst | titan8990: e.g. /var/lib/moinmoin or such |
| 23:42.33 | itsx | ok maybe a better question: how would you download a very big iso from behind a web authentication ? can wget do that easily or the any browser download manager is a better way ? |
| 23:42.46 | titan8990 | \amethyst: I am looking at one of my drupal install and it looks like there is write perms on files/ for uploads. although that is likely configurable |
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| 23:43.01 | itsx | please :) |
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| 23:43.36 | titan8990 | itsx: wget can handle authentication |
| 23:43.55 | imagandi | hello all i have strange problem with the keyboard on my debian eeepc i attach external keyboard and now the keyboard of my eeepc is totaly wrong the "i" key is "5" the "o" is 6 etc. i try to change the keyboard model but no effect |
| 23:44.09 | imagandi | this problem apear only in X (gnome) |
| 23:44.12 | titan8990 | itsx: http authentication atleast, not sure if it was a form based auth |
| 23:44.22 | imagandi | when i work in console (ctrl+alt+f1) |
| 23:44.30 | imagandi | evetything's fine |
| 23:44.34 | \amethyst | titan8990: for a directory that is intended to be served through the web server, I guess that's okay |
| 23:44.42 | imagandi | can someone give me a guide please |
| 23:45.03 | \amethyst | titan8990: e.g. drupal's files/ directory... but I've seen web apps that want to store things like user databases under /var/www/ |
| 23:45.25 | itsx | titan8990: aha - thanks ... i need auth actually ... |
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| 23:45.48 | \amethyst | titan8990: there's still the possibility of exploit if users can upload HTML files into that directory (since they can now have arbitrary javascript running in the server's security domain) |
| 23:46.09 | titan8990 | \amethyst: could have something to do with limitations someone could have with shared hosting plans |
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| 23:50.57 | dgeary2 | i am attempting to donate burned debian CDs to my university library |
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| 23:51.11 | dgeary2 | they have brought up the issue of copyright |
| 23:51.38 | dgeary2 | where is this discussed in the debian website? |
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| 23:52.31 | AimHere | dgeary2, Right at the top in the About section in the iframe on the left |
| 23:52.44 | itsx | btw which browser do you use on debian - actually iceweasel disappointed me a bit ... |
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| 23:53.22 | bassliner | actually you use iceweasel usually. |
| 23:53.37 | titan8990 | chrome |
| 23:53.40 | bassliner | but you can try pinning a real firefox onto it. |
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| 23:54.07 | itsx | thanks |
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| 23:55.28 | Traveler4 | hey guys I installed Geany on linux and I have a question about the font size |
| 23:55.29 | titan8990 | bassliner: no need for pinning or foreign repos. mozilla software install easily to /opt |
| 23:55.34 | jhutchins_lt | bassliner: Why would a "real firefox" be any different? |
| 23:55.36 | \amethyst | dgeary2: note that you probably need to give them the source CDs too if you don't want them to be accidentally violating the GPL |
| 23:55.45 | Traveler4 | is there a way to increase the font size on the bash window inside geany? |
| 23:55.47 | abrotman | titan8990: he didn't mean pinning in the debian sense |
| 23:56.00 | titan8990 | abrotman: ah |
| 23:56.22 | titan8990 | \amethyst: wouldn't he or the university only need to provide it if asked? |
| 23:56.43 | jhutchins_lt | dgeary2: http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 23:56.53 | \amethyst | titan8990: yes, but it sounds like it is unlikely that the library would know what to do if asked |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | is he making his own distro or just using debian ? |
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| 23:57.40 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: He's trying to turn his university on to debian. |
| 23:57.40 | itsx | bassliner: ok - that good to know. |
| 23:57.40 | dgeary2 | ah, brilliant, thank you all |
| 23:57.49 | titan8990 | either way, he or the university is still distributing the software |
| 23:58.01 | dgeary2 | titan8990, actually both |
| 23:58.06 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: he doesn't need the source CDs .. think about some place like linuxcentral that sells binary CDs without source |
| 23:58.08 | titan8990 | \amethyst: thats probably true |
| 23:58.26 | Traveler4 | is there a way to increase the font size on the bash window inside geany? |
| 23:58.27 | titan8990 | \amethyst: i do know of a couple linux distros that do not provide sources |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | the source is available to anyone .. they just hvae to either get the CD themselves or get it from one of the ftp servers |
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| 23:58.52 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I know that. The source is available, that's what matters. |
| 23:59.20 | titan8990 | I understood it to be that the distributor had to provide it, but was allowed to charge a fee |
| 23:59.21 | dgeary2 | \amethyst, ok, that could be solved with an index |
| 23:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: The distributor in this case is Debian. |
