| 00:00.07 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: Even if dgeary2 hands out some CD's, the originator of the code on those CD's is Debian. |
| 00:00.12 | titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: I also understood it that if he is passing out the binaries, he is the distributor |
| 00:00.17 | \amethyst | the GPL2 says you have to either accompany the binary with source code, accompany it with a written offer, or pass on the written offer you received from your distributor |
| 00:00.28 | dgeary2 | titan8990 is correct |
| 00:00.36 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: ianal (but I work for one), but I don't think that GNU considers it that way. |
| 00:00.47 | jhutchins_lt | titan8990: There are some other licenses that would. |
| 00:01.15 | dgeary2 | the problem is that debian is not entirely GPL |
| 00:01.25 | Traveler4 | is there a way to increase the font size on the bash window inside geany? |
| 00:01.29 | dgeary2 | there are a whole bunch of licences |
| 00:01.36 | Traveler4 | can anyone please help me with this |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | dgeary2: that wouldn't excuse you from complying with the GPL or any license that does require you to distribute the source |
| 00:01.48 | dgeary2 | Traveler4, i have heard you, but i cannot help |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | Traveler4: stop repeating .. you've been watching the same four people talk for ten minutes .. |
| 00:02.01 | jhutchins_lt | Traveler4: Never heard of geany. |
| 00:02.20 | dgeary2 | abrotman, that is correct |
| 00:02.25 | dkr | me neither, looked it up. it's an IDE |
| 00:02.30 | titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: its a c/C++ ide |
| 00:02.55 | abrotman | Traveler4: read the man page for whatever terminal it is .. |
| 00:03.07 | dkr | with "embedded terminal emulation" |
| 00:03.24 | dkr | Traveler4: maybe that means it will respect the xrdb like xterms (to change font size) |
| 00:03.50 | dkr | or not, the xrdb is kind of dated. :) |
| 00:03.56 | \amethyst | it's probably based on vte, not xterm |
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| 00:03.59 | Traveler4 | no terminal built in it displays fine |
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| 00:04.15 | Traveler4 | but the bash window when I execute a java program is very small |
| 00:04.24 | Traveler4 | my head is hurting reading my own output |
| 00:04.31 | Traveler4 | soryr im new to linux |
| 00:04.36 | Traveler4 | been using windows for long time |
| 00:04.51 | dkr | run them in your own terminal? IDEs are just shortcuts |
| 00:04.53 | \amethyst | Traveler4: I guess that's GNOME-terminal? do you get a menu when you right click in that terminal? |
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| 00:05.02 | Traveler4 | yes |
| 00:05.03 | Traveler4 | I do |
| 00:05.22 | \amethyst | Traveler4: is there a 'Profiles' entry in that menu? |
| 00:05.28 | titan8990 | Traveler4: profiles -> profile preferences maybe? |
| 00:05.30 | Traveler4 | if I want to change the font size in the bash window I can do ctrl+ right click |
| 00:05.36 | \amethyst | Traveler4: if so, what titan8990 said |
| 00:05.38 | Traveler4 | but then it is only for that one moment |
| 00:05.44 | Traveler4 | no profile |
| 00:05.45 | Traveler4 | :S |
| 00:05.50 | \amethyst | oh, it's actually an xterm |
| 00:06.06 | \amethyst | then you will need to deal with xrdb |
| 00:06.16 | Traveler4 | the program it self is beautiful |
| 00:06.21 | Traveler4 | but the java output is hurting my eyes |
| 00:06.41 | \amethyst | Traveler4: honestly, you might be better off just having it use a different terminal emulator |
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| 00:07.01 | Traveler4 | how do I do that? |
| 00:07.35 | abrotman | Traveler4: did you read the man page for xterm yet? |
| 00:08.03 | Traveler4 | Sir like I said im new to linux even if I did I would have no idea what it is talking about |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | it's in english |
| 00:08.27 | cristi8 | how can i force aptitude to ignore a broken package and do smth else on another package (i.e downgrade another package) |
| 00:08.37 | titan8990 | Traveler4: looks like its well documented in the geany manual |
| 00:08.38 | abrotman | cristi8: fix the broken package |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | titan8990: STOP IT .. you're asking him to read!!! |
| 00:09.03 | titan8990 | sits in the corner |
| 00:09.06 | Traveler4 | titan really? where? I read that |
| 00:09.07 | cristi8 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-good_0.10.8-4.1~lenny2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstcdio.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly 0:0.10.12-1+b1 |
| 00:09.07 | dpkg | cristi8: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 00:09.12 | Traveler4 | under preferences? |
| 00:09.31 | \amethyst | Traveler4: in the GNOME main menu, System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications, then check the System tab... what is the terminal emulator listed there? |
| 00:09.47 | cristi8 | abrotman: i receive this error when i try to fix the broken package |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | !tell cristi8 about overwrite |
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| 00:10.12 | abrotman | cristi8: and mixing versions of debian like that will break your system .. |
| 00:10.17 | Traveler4 | GNOME Terminal |
| 00:10.21 | \amethyst | Traveler4: hm |
| 00:10.28 | titan8990 | Traveler4: ah, they were actually compile-time options |
| 00:10.31 | \amethyst | Traveler4: I guess geany isn't using the GNOME default there then |
| 00:10.41 | cristi8 | i am trying to downgrade all my unstable packages to lenny.. |
| 00:10.49 | titan8990 | Traveler4: it uses its own emulator called VTE |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | !pal cristi8 |
| 00:10.50 | dpkg | points at cristi8 and laughs |
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| 00:10.55 | \amethyst | abrotman: do you really expect someone new to X to be able to figure out from the xterm manpage how to set X resources? even if they figure out which resources they need to set |
| 00:11.08 | titan8990 | Traveler4: http://www.geany.org/manual/0.14/index.html#id141 |
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| 00:11.17 | abrotman | \amethyst: he's using geany, figured out an IDE .. apparently can read programming docs .. yes, really not that hard |
| 00:11.21 | nooper | lol dead:babe:d00d:1337 |
| 00:11.30 | Traveler4 | thats what I was trying to tell abrotman I can understand english very well and I do read |
| 00:11.35 | Traveler4 | but even if I read I will not get it |
| 00:12.30 | Traveler4 | thanks titan I already had that opend 3 hours ago |
| 00:12.31 | Traveler4 | xD |
| 00:12.43 | titan8990 | Traveler4: actually, its in their FAQ |
| 00:12.45 | titan8990 | Traveler4: http://www.geany.org/Documentation/FAQ#QQuestions14 |
| 00:13.03 | abrotman | they hid it! |
| 00:13.42 | \amethyst | Traveler4: you'd probably want to use gnome-terminal -x sh -c there |
| 00:13.54 | \amethyst | Traveler4: I guess now it's probably xterm -e |
| 00:13.59 | \amethyst | err, xterm -e sh -c |
| 00:14.02 | itsx | what do you think -is it a good idea to mail to iceweasel people about that download manager failures ? |
| 00:14.25 | abrotman | itsx: shouldn't they .. see it ? |
| 00:14.31 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. misread it |
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| 00:14.43 | abrotman | itsx: what doesn't work? it's worked here when i've tried to use it |
| 00:14.48 | itsx | abrotman: :) |
| 00:14.57 | \amethyst | itsx: what download manager? the built-in one, or an add-on? |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | thought he meant people that are using iceweasel and having downloads fail .. and mailing them |
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| 00:16.43 | itsx | abrotman: my diagnostics is,that it fails after some bigger net problems on the way: i am downloading 2.3Gb iso and giving it a third chance now ... |
| 00:17.04 | Traveler4 | YES thank you so much guys =) it works now |
| 00:17.05 | titan8990 | used "reportbug" today for the first time instead of manually filling it out and "reportbug" bugged on him and ignored his --email= option even telling him otherwise in stdout |
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| 00:17.19 | Traveler4 | except abrotman...wasnt that useful..sorry =S |
| 00:17.24 | titan8990 | haha |
| 00:17.37 | Traveler4 | its beautiful now haha perfect |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | Traveler4: yes, reading is rarely uesful ... |
| 00:18.07 | Traveler4 | abrotman..lets agree to disagree =) |
| 00:18.10 | abrotman | is proud to report he finally has a machine with an intel card where X doesn't work .. |
| 00:18.13 | itsx | abrotman: it havent managed to continue the download after some unspecified net error ... |
| 00:18.22 | k23z__ | operators kneel before me |
| 00:18.39 | k23z__ | I am the most respected member of the Debian community |
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| 00:18.56 | abrotman | k23z__: do you need Debian help? |
| 00:19.05 | k23z__ | abrotman: </trolling> |
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| 00:19.14 | abrotman | i should hope so |
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| 00:20.21 | itsx | \amethyst: the built-in one. |
| 00:20.46 | abrotman | itsx: you're doing this over wifi ? |
| 00:21.11 | itsx | abrotman: no but i have 150kbps anyway |
| 00:21.26 | abrotman | itsx: i thought maybe it was a wifi issue |
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| 00:21.37 | nvz | I love it (sarcasm) when I close a program and the audio continues for 45sec or more afterwards. |
| 00:22.05 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:22.08 | titan8990 | guesses adobe flash |
| 00:22.09 | nvz | kills all vlc processes |
| 00:22.30 | nvz | na it was vlc.. I've been using it to play music lately cause I dont have a decent music player installed |
| 00:22.46 | nvz | rhythmbox is a piece of shit |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | nvz: quod libet? audacious? |
| 00:23.04 | titan8990 | I have always preferred VLC myself but I don't watch/listen to much media |
| 00:23.21 | nvz | if I decide to pick a song, it will keep playing in that category/artist and the playlist seems to remove stuff after its played which is annoying |
| 00:23.27 | elik | Wow, awesome: Session active, not inhibited, screen idle. If you can see this text, your display server is broken and you should notify your distributor |
| 00:23.32 | nvz | I always liked cplay, but I dont currently have it installed |
| 00:23.35 | titan8990 | nvz: from DMM or the debian repos? |
| 00:23.47 | titan8990 | s/debian/main |
| 00:23.49 | llimeht | wonders what shape nvz's patches for said players are in |
| 00:24.19 | elik | Wow, awesome: Session active, not inhibited, screen idle. If you can see this text, your display server is broken and you should notify your distributor |
| 00:24.22 | nvz | haha, I dont even wanna look at the rhythmbox source |
| 00:24.24 | elik | oops, sorry |
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| 00:25.11 | nvz | that program is just total garbage in my opinion.. its just the way it is.. might be right for some people, its just totally not my style |
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| 00:25.34 | nvz | when you got as many complaints with a program as I have with that one, you dont patch, you either fork or use something else |
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| 00:26.26 | nvz | I have been thinking lately about doing some work on The Gimp though.. cause its just downright annoying for mass photo editing which I do frequently |
| 00:26.41 | itsx | nvz: i recently use audacious ... |
| 00:26.59 | nvz | I'm just not sure if I should be changing the overall functionality of the gimp or just writing some kind of extension for it |
| 00:27.00 | abrotman | nvz: what kind of editing ? |
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| 00:27.13 | abrotman | there is gimp scripting .. and there is imagemagick |
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| 00:27.42 | titan8990 | nvz: they recently had an announcement about a single window interface, possibly even released |
| 00:27.45 | nvz | abrotman: well lets say for example I;m doing a crop/rotate..etc on a ton of photos and its based on elements in the photo like people or such.. so I can't just script it with imagemagick or something.. |
| 00:28.16 | nvz | abrotman: when you try open up even say a dozen or two photos in the gimp you inevitably run out of memory and get failed to fork errors.. |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | nvz: okay .. not sure how you think you can improve that .. but have at it! :) |
| 00:28.34 | nvz | but opening up each photo one by one is slow and annoying |
| 00:29.03 | titan8990 | does it open a new instance of gimp for each photo? |
| 00:29.17 | nvz | abrotman: I'm thinking a functionality like windows image editor (ugh its shitty, I know..) where you choose a dir or something you want to work in, and just flip through the photos, editing one at a time and saving as you go to the next |
| 00:29.41 | nvz | titan8990: no, but images that are only like 600-700k will be like 50MB or more once opened in the gimp.. |
| 00:29.46 | \amethyst | nvz: oh, so just a script to close the current image and open the next one |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | nvz: try a different program like maybe f-spot .. gimp isn't really designed for grandma to crop photos |
| 00:29.52 | nvz | titan8990: so you can run out of memory real quick |
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| 00:30.06 | itsx | nvz: there is a nice batch feature in photoshop - which i found very usefull - dont know if gimp implemented it - i suposed not - i would consider imagemagic script or something |
| 00:31.16 | nvz | well I would use imagemagic if I just wanted to do something that would be the same on all photos.. but if I took a buncha pictures of my dog at the park and want to crop her out of them all and rotate em a certain way.. I have to SEE them to do that.. a script cannot tell what I am focusing on in a group of images |
| 00:31.54 | nvz | I'll have to see what this f-spot is, I've never heard of it |
| 00:33.02 | itsx | nvz: a-ha :) |
| 00:33.15 | nvz | it just annoys me doing it like I have been (selecting images from gqview and opening in gimp) because it takes longer to load/save them (then all the malloc/failed to fork errors if I choose too many at once) then it does for me to actually do the editing |
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| 00:34.07 | cristi8 | whois k23z__ |
| 00:34.09 | nvz | I can edit them at like 5-10sec per photo, but it takes way longer than that to load em, and to go through all the annoying save dialogs..etc |
| 00:34.10 | cristi8 | oops |
| 00:34.51 | nvz | just not having to click 3 dialogs to save if I rotate a photo in the gimp would save me an assload of time |
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| 00:35.32 | nvz | there is the "do you want to save" kinda dialog, then the "this format doesn't support transparency / export dialog, then the format specific options dialog.. |
| 00:35.32 | itsx | nvz: btw woudnt help some RAM addition ? - sorry just a guess. |
| 00:35.55 | cristi8 | maybe write a gimp plugin :) |
| 00:36.08 | nvz | itsx: well its my netbook I've been doing this on as of late, and it has 1gb, and not much room for upgrade. I could probably take the 1gb out and put a 2gb in at most |
| 00:36.57 | nvz | removes the cover from the bottom to see |
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| 00:37.26 | abrotman | nvz: get a different editor .. wtf is so hard about that ? |
| 00:37.34 | nvz | boggles |
| 00:37.53 | nvz | apparently this cover/bay is for a CDMA modem or something.. its sure as hell not access to the RAM like I thought it was |
| 00:38.29 | itsx | nvz: :) bad luck i see :) |
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| 00:38.59 | nvz | abrotman: na, you're probably right about that. I just haven't found a better editor. One feature I need that other apps I've tried lacked is being able to set things like "fixed aspect ratio" on my cropping |
| 00:39.09 | nvz | which also saves me a huge ammount of time |
| 00:39.31 | nvz | cause it forces the crop selection to a certain aspect ratio |
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| 00:40.12 | abrotman | decides nvz doesn't really want to be helped |
| 00:40.23 | itsx | nvz: i am not a very fun of photoshop but it would be my first try after a gimp - maybe it would run under crossover like some people run corel |
| 00:40.30 | nvz | I've not taken this netbook apart yet.. and really didn't plan on it.. but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the ram is all surface mounted and you can't add/change it |
| 00:40.55 | nvz | itsx: photoshop is first off like $700 and 2ndly a windows/mac program |
| 00:41.45 | itsx | nvz: yeah - i said i dont like it much - but it knows CMYK at least ... |
| 00:42.29 | nvz | hah.. the gimp can be configured to use any method you want IIRC |
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| 00:43.11 | nvz | and they do have a single window version of gimp called gimpshop or something |
| 00:43.27 | nvz | in fact I think the windows versions all behave with a "workspace" window like that now |
| 00:44.23 | nvz | itsx: yeah, its all in the preferences under "Color Management" |
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| 00:46.43 | nvz | the fact of the matter is, I rarely change things on my system, even if they annoy me.. I set things up better for other people than I do myself. heh |
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| 00:47.02 | itsx | nvz: hmm theres a cmyk plugin - but its not a full support - you cant edit cmyk colors in the image to specified values - at least i didnt manage it ... |
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| 00:47.33 | itsx | nvz: but i am not a expert - so ... |
| 00:47.39 | nvz | I still haven't looked up in the irssi docs how to set those auto commands again to identify me automatically. nor do I backup my f'n configs so I don't have to keep looking it up |
| 00:48.14 | nvz | I know its in the getting started or faq.. you don't even have to look real hard in irssi's docs to find that info |
| 00:48.31 | nvz | you'd think I'd have memorized it by now ffs |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | nvz: try #irssi |
| 00:49.42 | nvz | abrotman: its just laziness.. the docs are on my disk, all I gotta do is f'n look for it |
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| 00:50.10 | nvz | abrotman: I'm probably gonna watch white collar and wait for someone else to come in here and help them with their problems instead of dealing with my own.. heh |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:51.04 | nvz | what can I say, I make things complicated.. thats why I don't ask for help.. I'm just thinking outloud cause I'm bored at the moment |
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| 00:53.52 | itsx | nvz: btw new gimp estimated release day is about 2010-12-27 :) |
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| 00:55.06 | itsx | nvz: i didnt pate the link caouse i dont know etiquette here :) |
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| 00:55.15 | itsx | nvz: *paste |
| 00:55.28 | ranix | !paste |
| 00:55.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 00:55.35 | Bastihase | Package vzctl-ostmpl could not find debian |
| 00:55.42 | chaochao | dpkg -i hello |
| 00:55.42 | dpkg | installs hello into chaochao's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 00:55.43 | Bastihase | ;( |
| 00:55.46 | chaochao | dpkg -i %n |
| 00:55.47 | dpkg | package %n is already installed |
| 00:55.48 | chaochao | :( |
| 00:55.52 | chaochao | dpkg -i %x |
| 00:55.52 | dpkg | removes a lung from chaochao and replaces it with %x |
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| 00:57.15 | nvz | itsx: we b.s. in the #debian-offtopic channel usually it was just dead in here at the time. |
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| 01:27.46 | boxxertrumps | WormFood: i want to look at my local stuff, and just select/unselect what should be kept on the psp |
| 01:27.48 | titan8990 | WormFood: when i think "sync", i think updating changed files. cp and graphical file managers would leave him to determined what is changed |
| 01:27.49 | WormFood | ps is good for a snapshot, and top is good for continuous updates |
| 01:27.58 | boxxertrumps | it's not really special just specific |
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| 01:31.04 | boxxertrumps | make sure that files that are updated on the psp are saved to the hdd and vice versa, aswell as deciding what stays on and what goes on the psp |
| 01:31.23 | WormFood | boxxertrumps, you put all the files you want on your psp in a directory on your computer....add or delete files there as needed....use rsync with the --delete option....problem solved |
| 01:32.02 | WormFood | you rsync your game save directory from your psp to your hard drive |
| 01:32.06 | titan8990 | you don't even need to put the file there, just symlink it and use the -L option |
| 01:32.11 | uorygl | That gave me even more results than apt-cache search yacc. |
| 01:32.22 | WormFood | titan8990, I didn't want to confuse him ;P |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | uorygl: apt-file search bin/yacc |
| 01:33.12 | WormFood | boxxertrumps, what else, other than maybe screen shots and your game save directory, would you want to backup from your psp to your desktop? |
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| 01:33.48 | boxxertrumps | WormFood: pretty much just save games. |
| 01:33.51 | WormFood | I use the psp for management...when I'm done with something...a movie or game, I just delete it....if I want something new on it, I just cp it |
| 01:34.14 | titan8990 | abrotman: i was going to come up with some regex and you ruined it! |
| 01:34.37 | WormFood | you'll want to do 2 rsyncs then...one to backup your saved games to your hard drive, and the other to copy your games/movies/music/porn/whatever to your psp |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | titan8990: sorry |
| 01:35.12 | uorygl | abrotman: hmm, well, that produced only one result... |
| 01:35.12 | boxxertrumps | WormFood: i really want some gui to be able to manage this from, so it's easier for me |
| 01:35.35 | WormFood | boxxertrumps, there are GUI file managers and front ends for rsync |
| 01:35.41 | boxxertrumps | i can just make something if nothing really fits my needs, not a problem |
| 01:35.45 | uorygl | It doesn't seem to be the right result, though; after installing it, running "yacc" still says it's not found. |
| 01:35.47 | titan8990 | abrotman: only joking |
| 01:35.48 | boxxertrumps | yeah, i've been looking for some |
| 01:36.02 | uorygl | titan8990: feel free to come up with that regex at any time. :P |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | uorygl: and what's wrong with that result ? |
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| 01:37.48 | abrotman | uorygl: sorry .. yeah, that's not right |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | uorygl: you want 'bison' |
| 01:38.39 | uorygl | Got it. Thanks. |
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| 01:43.05 | boxxertrumps | grsync... almost! |
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| 01:58.05 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.30 | hikenboot | also the find feature in xconfig does not seem to work |
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| 02:00.36 | micols | anybody experienced Xorg/i810 crash after suspend from ram, i just get a blank screen, but my tty's work? |
| 02:01.24 | nocturnus | can someone please try runnign pdfcrop on yoru system to tell me if it works? |
| 02:01.33 | nocturnus | pdfcrop is a python script that adds margins to pdf files |
| 02:01.39 | nocturnus | it depends on ps2pdf, pdf2ps, poster |
| 02:02.01 | titan8990 | judd: versions pdfcrop |
| 02:02.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pdfcrop' was found. |
| 02:02.14 | nocturnus | its on sourceforge |
| 02:02.19 | nocturnus | http://pdfcrop.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 02:04.38 | itsx | ok:) iceweasel download manager crashed on 70% - i am going to change the manager definitelly :) |
| 02:05.36 | macrobat | i recommend wget -c |
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| 02:07.03 | itsx | macrobat: ok thanks - i will look on it |
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| 02:08.54 | hikenboot | figured it out thanks |
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| 02:15.07 | debuser-43892 | is there a reson busybox is installed by default? |
| 02:15.15 | debuser-43892 | is it necessary? |
| 02:15.21 | dondelelcaro | debuser-43892: because its needed by quite a few things, like the initrd |
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| 02:15.36 | debuser-43892 | ok. didn't want to break anything |
| 02:15.39 | debuser-43892 | thx |
| 02:17.45 | itsx | macrobat: yea - wget -c failed - suppose due to a auth - i think i have to handle with more power and reading :) |
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| 02:23.25 | fonzi | which is the lowest kernel version for udev? |
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| 02:25.57 | n3kr0 | hi, how can I launch an app on X from console ? |
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| 02:26.17 | abrotman | n3kr0: foo & |
| 02:26.30 | macrobat | ok |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | fonzi: depends on the version of udev |
| 02:28.21 | n3kr0 | abrotman: im on a console, from ssh, i want to run an app in the remote X host |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:29.01 | benji01 | Is there a cool debian package to see which processus is killing my load? |
| 02:29.06 | benji01 | top is not enough |
| 02:29.28 | charzero | benji01: htop |
| 02:29.54 | n3kr0 | hi, how can I launch an app on X from a ssh console ? |
| 02:30.58 | fonzi | i am using kernel- 2.6.18-4. I get the msg "consolekit: Breaks: udev (< 147~) but 0.141-2 is to be installed" when i try to install a package. |
| 02:31.10 | titan8990 | !x forwarding |
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| 02:31.30 | titan8990 | !listkeys x forward |
| 02:31.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'x forward' by key (1): x forwarding. |
| 02:32.46 | charzero | During installation, if I switch to vt2 and set up dists and mount at /target then switch back to vt1 and try to skip "Partition Disks" and go to "Install the Base System", it goes to the partitioner anyway. Is there a way to skip it? |
| 02:33.11 | titan8990 | n3kr0: check out the -X option and its references in the ssh manpage |
| 02:33.16 | charzero | s/set up dists/set up disks |
| 02:33.29 | titan8990 | n3kr0: or just use a graphical protocol like vnc |
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| 02:34.38 | Faithful | is ext4 product yet? |
| 02:34.40 | titan8990 | n3kr0: iirc is somewhat complicated in that you have to fool with xserver permissions for running x apps via ssh |
| 02:34.45 | Faithful | is ext4 productuib yet? |
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| 02:34.51 | Faithful | is ext4 production yet? |
| 02:35.47 | dvs | Faithful: Depends on the kernel. 2.6.32 for sure has it. |
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| 02:36.07 | Faithful | yes but is it production ready... |
| 02:36.17 | Faithful | or filesystem edible |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | titan8990: no, i think he's trying to start it on the X display of the server |
| 02:36.39 | dvs | I wouldn't use it yet. |
| 02:36.59 | charzero | Does the installer just not support having a single / partition right on the block device with no partitions? |
| 02:37.00 | titan8990 | abrotman: oh... $DISPLAY maybe? |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | sure |
| 02:37.14 | macrobat | Faithful: look at for example http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_fs&num=1 |
| 02:37.38 | titan8990 | charzero: a disk with one partition... still has to have a partition |
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| 02:38.45 | nsadmin | charzero: not recommended. not all boot loaders will work. |
| 02:39.51 | titan8990 | nsadmin: lilo can't handle not having a seperate /boot? |
| 02:40.22 | charzero | nsadmin: grub2 handles it I think. I know it wouldn't be recommended for a real device, but this is a VM. |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | used lilo without a separate /boot/ |
| 02:40.27 | titan8990 | he will probably want a swap partition though |
| 02:40.40 | charzero | I have tons of RAM, no need for swap. |
| 02:41.00 | titan8990 | how much is tons? |
| 02:41.20 | charzero | 2G-8G, however much I assign to it. |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | depends what you're going to do with it |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | used a machine today with 12GB RAM that was 13GB into the swap (out of 24GB) .. and there are much larger systems out there |
| 02:42.19 | charzero | The same thing I am doing on other machines with 2G and no swap. (: |
| 02:43.41 | benji01 | charzero, thanks :) |
| 02:44.43 | charzero | benji01: They should really make htop part of the default install. |
| 02:44.56 | benji01 | charzero, sure, so handy |
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| 02:57.07 | benji01 | my god... my virtualbox is killing my load .'( |
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| 03:00.53 | nvz | benji01: what's the guest? |
| 03:01.13 | benji01 | winxp |
| 03:01.51 | nvz | ah, my netbook runs winxp as a guest in VB on debian stable fairly well |
| 03:02.12 | nvz | though I am using the latest VB from their website, not the VB OSE in stable |
| 03:02.21 | nvz | which is WAYYYY outdated |
| 03:02.31 | benji01 | :) |
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| 03:02.56 | benji01 | makes it easier to keep it up to date |
| 03:02.59 | nvz | seriously.. its so f'n old its two major versions behind and doesnt even support USB |
| 03:03.18 | jpinx-eeepc | nvz: which vb do you use then? |
| 03:03.35 | nvz | I use the Virtual Box 3.1.4 latest version from upstream |
| 03:03.47 | jpinx-eeepc | backports? |
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| 03:04.04 | nvz | I doubt its in backports since its not in debian at all |
| 03:04.09 | nvz | debian only has OSE |
| 03:04.15 | titan8990 | nvz: i also use 3.1 from upstream repos |
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| 03:04.57 | titan8990 | nvz: I did have a corrupt snapshot that crashed the entire pc (restarted itself), but other than that, really nice |
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| 03:06.09 | titan8990 | nvz: but you can't expect debian to distribute the non-ose version |
| 03:06.39 | nvz | yeah but most reasons I've had for myself or my clients using VB were to support some crapfest of software needed for some shitty USB device.. |
| 03:06.47 | nvz | OSE doesn't have USB support |
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| 03:06.58 | nvz | or RDP, or USB over RDP |
| 03:07.13 | toolz | I get invalid argument when: iptables -I INPUT -p udp --dport 27015 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 150 -j DROP |
| 03:07.26 | titan8990 | toolz: #netfilter |
| 03:07.36 | toolz | I am there |
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| 03:07.52 | toolz | but the answer was: bisect over the argument list |
| 03:07.57 | toolz | I dont understand at all. |
| 03:08.09 | benji01 | lol |
| 03:08.55 | titan8990 | toolz: it could be that udp is stateless. I have not worked a whole lot with iptables tough |
| 03:09.19 | titan8990 | toolz: i would expect that to return a different error if it was the cause too |
| 03:09.36 | \amethyst | toolz: by 'bisect' they mean: try getting rid of half the arguments, see if it works. if so, the problem was in the half you eliminated; otherwise it's in the half you didn't eliminate. Repeat until you've narrowed it to one argument |
| 03:09.51 | \amethyst | toolz: the problem is, that won't necessarily identify an illegal combination of arguments |
| 03:10.10 | benji01 | in the meanwhile you can break your network configuration.. be careful :) |
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| 03:10.22 | toolz | got it |
| 03:11.29 | toolz | --hitcount 150 is the problem |
| 03:13.00 | toolz | any idea? |
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| 03:13.38 | toolz | I wanna block an ip which try to connect on port 27015 for more than 150 times in 60 secs |
| 03:14.11 | \amethyst | toolz: Hm, according to the manpage there is a maximum value for hitcount |
| 03:14.27 | toolz | hmm which one? |
| 03:14.49 | toolz | I also tryed with 60 |
| 03:14.52 | toolz | but nothing. same |
| 03:15.26 | \amethyst | It says 'the "ip_pkt_list_tot" parameter of the xt_recent kernel module', but I don't know how you'd query that |
| 03:16.00 | \amethyst | it doesn't appear in sysctl -a |
| 03:18.18 | benji01 | toolz can you try why hitcount 1? |
| 03:18.36 | \amethyst | toolz: aha, looking in the kernel source, the default is 20 |
| 03:18.48 | benji01 | same |
| 03:18.59 | toolz | shit |
| 03:19.01 | toolz | works with 1 |
| 03:19.08 | benji01 | try with 19 and 21 |
| 03:19.11 | toolz | but I dont want 1..its way too low |
| 03:19.12 | toolz | ok |
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| 03:19.26 | toolz | 19 works |
| 03:19.27 | toolz | 21 no |
| 03:19.34 | toolz | hmm. |
| 03:19.46 | benji01 | you need a new kernel I guess |
| 03:19.54 | \amethyst | nah |
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| 03:20.01 | \amethyst | I believe it's configurable, moment |
| 03:20.05 | toolz | k |
| 03:20.10 | toolz | I believe so |
| 03:20.10 | benji01 | :) |
| 03:20.12 | toolz | cause I have |
| 03:20.14 | nvz | probably through the procfs/sysfs |
| 03:20.24 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 03:20.30 | toolz | 2.6.30 |
| 03:20.33 | \amethyst | as a module parameter |
| 03:20.50 | \amethyst | try rmmod xt_recent; modprobe xt_recent ip_pkt_list_tot=150 |
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| 03:21.16 | toolz | worked :D |
| 03:21.19 | toolz | thanks :p |
| 03:21.39 | \amethyst | if that works, create a file something.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ with the line options xt_recent ip_pkt_list_tot=150 |
| 03:21.50 | \amethyst | so that you don't have to do that manually every time you reboot |
| 03:23.21 | toolz | what if I |
| 03:23.32 | toolz | add ro rc.local - rmmod xt_recent; modprobe xt_recent ip_pkt_list_tot=150 |
| 03:23.35 | toolz | would that work? |
| 03:23.42 | nvz | haha |
| 03:24.11 | \amethyst | toolz: it would, but that' |
| 03:24.17 | \amethyst | toolz: it would, but that's not the right way to do it |
| 03:24.27 | toolz | ok added |
| 03:24.39 | toolz | ip.conf in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 03:24.43 | toolz | ty |
| 03:24.48 | \amethyst | toolz: (and it wouldn't work if you did the iptables thing earlier than rc.local) |
| 03:24.58 | benji01 | I wonder why they chosed suck a low limit though |
| 03:25.02 | benji01 | such* |
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| 03:25.10 | nvz | blowing up your box with dynamite would work too, and you'd stop those idiots from hammering that port.. |
| 03:25.10 | \amethyst | benji01: to reduce memory usage, probably |
| 03:25.11 | simonrvn | chose* |
| 03:25.53 | toolz | that port |
| 03:25.56 | toolz | is screwed |
| 03:26.00 | toolz | on my machines |
| 03:26.05 | toolz | thats what I host |
| 03:26.14 | toolz | game servers |
| 03:26.16 | nvz | why |
| 03:26.17 | nvz | not |
| 03:26.19 | toolz | which run on 27015 |
| 03:26.20 | nvz | just talk |
| 03:26.23 | nvz | like this |
| 03:26.26 | toolz | o |
| 03:26.27 | toolz | k |
| 03:26.28 | nvz | all the time |
| 03:26.29 | toolz | <grins> |
| 03:26.29 | titan8990 | !enter |
| 03:26.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:26.46 | benji01 | :) |
| 03:26.51 | toolz | I usually dont do that.. but I havent slept since 48 hours. |
| 03:26.52 | toolz | :) |
| 03:27.06 | nvz | kudos, I been sleeping too damn much |
| 03:27.26 | nvz | I've only been up for like 6 hours and feel like I'm about to pass out |
| 03:27.32 | nvz | I need a f'n job |
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| 03:28.06 | ootput | you'd better check your blood pressure |
| 03:28.15 | toolz | ewps. |
| 03:28.17 | Zharf | nvz, me too |
| 03:28.19 | toolz | on one of my machines: ERROR: Module xt_recent does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 03:29.06 | nvz | my bp is probably like 120/70 like it always is |
| 03:29.24 | toolz | prolly because of kernel, its different - 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 03:29.44 | simonrvn | mine's probably 100-110/60-65 |
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| 03:30.19 | simonrvn | (yes, i have low blood pressure issues sometimes ;) |
| 03:30.25 | Zharf | I always get confused when people talk bloodpressure.. I have no idea what the numbers should be like |
| 03:30.38 | Zharf | or what they mean for that matter |
| 03:30.42 | simonrvn | first is systole, second is asystole |
| 03:30.53 | Zharf | simonrvn, as if those words mean anything to me |
| 03:30.53 | nvz | 120-140/70-90 is normal range for adults |
| 03:30.59 | simonrvn | on the beat, off the beat |
| 03:32.37 | toolz | I'll update to: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.2-686-bigmem |
| 03:32.39 | toolz | is that ok? |
| 03:33.27 | toolz | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 03:33.34 | simonrvn | should be |
| 03:33.50 | toolz | could this mean that if I reboot my nic wont get up and Im screwed? :) |
| 03:34.03 | dvs | toolz: install firmware-nonfree as well. |
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| 03:35.27 | toolz | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 03:35.28 | toolz | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 03:35.32 | toolz | keep getting these two |
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| 03:36.24 | toolz | what should I do? I mean is it safe to reboot? :) |
| 03:36.38 | titan8990 | !rtl8168d |
| 03:36.39 | dpkg | [rtl8168d] the RealTek RTL8168D Ethernet controller, supported by <r8169> since Linux 2.6.31. v1 is supported in linux-2.6 2.6.26-21, ask me about <5.0.4>. As of linux-2.6 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1, firmware for v1 and v2 was removed; not packaged due to no clear redistribution permission (BTS #561309, #564628). Both versions can operate without userspace firmware as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-3, see also http://bugs.debian.org/564010#17 |
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| 03:37.46 | toolz | so it should work, they can operate? |
| 03:38.31 | titan8990 | toolz: not without the firmware if your kernel is < .32 |
| 03:38.59 | toolz | I have installed: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686-bigmem |
| 03:39.18 | dvs | so......? |
| 03:39.31 | toolz | so it should be ok? |
| 03:39.49 | titan8990 | toolz: going off what dpkg said, yes. I would read those bug reports |
| 03:40.38 | toolz | screw that machine I'll reboot it, if it doesnt come back... the heck with it, lol |
| 03:40.39 | toolz | :p |
| 03:41.18 | titan8990 | toolz: the ethernet just might not work |
| 03:41.49 | toolz | I'll get the hammer then.. |
| 03:42.41 | toolz | most probably it does not work. seems it doesnt come up |
| 03:42.41 | toolz | lol |
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| 03:45.28 | dvs | toolz: mine didn't work either, I had to bet a gigabit hub before it would work. |
| 03:46.19 | toolz | :) |
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| 03:47.01 | fonzi | if i want to use a higher version kernel, can i just upgrade the image or do i have to install the source and build from it? |
| 03:47.35 | dvs | fonzi: or you could install a kernel image package and have both of them installed |
| 03:48.47 | abrotman | retracts earlier statement about broken intel X |
| 03:49.04 | fonzi | dvs: if i just install the higber version kernel image, what about the device drivers, those .ko files, will they be automatically be upgraded? |
| 03:51.08 | maxagaz | how to set default runlevel for a service ? |
| 03:51.40 | simonrvn | !update-rc.d |
| 03:51.40 | dpkg | well, update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. This is NOT a tool users should invoke directly (see man page); ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf> or <bum> instead. |
| 03:51.40 | nvz | maxagaz: man update-rc.d |
| 03:51.49 | maxagaz | nvz, thanks |
| 03:51.53 | wols | !tell maxagaz about sysvinit |
| 03:52.21 | wols | fonzi: each kernel comes with its own. it's part of the kernel image |
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| 03:53.59 | toolz | it started! |
| 03:54.00 | toolz | lol |
| 03:54.35 | Tordek | I've done a2enmod php5 and restarted, but the scripts aren't evaluating; I get a "do you want to download this?" message |
| 03:54.43 | fonzi | wols: that would mean it would have to take care of as many, if not all, of the devices available out there? I once upgraded my kernel by installing the kernel image, after that all my USB devices were not recognised. |
| 03:54.46 | Tordek | what should I try? |
| 03:55.04 | wols | fonzi: what do you mean "take care"? |
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| 03:55.24 | fonzi | wols: include the .ko for them. |
| 03:55.34 | wols | no |
| 03:55.37 | dbb | Q. I just installed a package, how do I list all the files it has placed? (terminal) |
| 03:55.48 | wols | dbb: dpkg -L |
| 03:55.50 | abrotman | dbb: dpkg -L |
| 03:55.55 | dbb | thx |
| 03:57.25 | fonzi | wols: in that case, the devices will not work in the new kernel. |
| 03:58.53 | \amethyst | perhaps this was a device for which non-free firmware was removed? |
| 04:00.45 | wols | fonzi: why don't you just install a new kernel? you can have as many different kernelversions as you like |
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| 04:02.12 | fonzi | wols: as i said, i have tried, and all my devices besides screen and mouse failed. |
| 04:02.26 | fonzi | i went from 2.6.18 to 2.6.32. |
| 04:03.30 | wols | see what amethyst said |
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| 04:07.07 | toolz | got a question |
| 04:07.09 | toolz | I aint sure |
| 04:07.51 | toolz | these rules: http://pastebin.com/USCZujUM will apply for a single IP, no? I mean not if there are 160 connections from different ips on 27015 or the other ports? |
| 04:08.01 | toolz | as far as I understood it should be per IP |
| 04:08.34 | \amethyst | fonzi: by installing a linux-image-2.6.32-<something> package you mean? |
| 04:08.46 | toolz | like an IP trying to connect for more than 200 times will be blocked for sure, but not 200 different ips connecting then to start blocking all |
| 04:09.04 | toolz | hope you got it |
| 04:09.12 | \amethyst | fonzi: you might see if installing firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree help |
| 04:09.51 | toolz | \amethyst, can you confirm? which one is it? |
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| 04:10.42 | \amethyst | toolz: I believe it's per-address, but I'm not 100% certain |
| 04:13.56 | nsadmin | isn't that what fail2ban does? |
| 04:14.15 | toolz | I already got fail2ban installed |
| 04:14.19 | toolz | but no, it doesnt. |
| 04:14.22 | toolz | I mean I tested |
| 04:14.31 | toolz | I started to flood my server from one ip, and nothing happened |
| 04:14.47 | toolz | fail2ban I guess bans logins, like ftp/ssh tryouts? |
| 04:14.49 | toolz | or am I wrong? |
| 04:14.51 | nsadmin | flood it how? |
| 04:15.04 | toolz | sending a lot of packets per sec |
| 04:15.10 | titan8990 | toolz: it based on authentication attempts |
| 04:15.16 | toolz | yeah |
| 04:15.18 | toolz | exactly |
| 04:15.28 | toolz | I have fail2ban on my machines. |
| 04:16.39 | toolz | I hope those rules are per IP |
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| 04:17.15 | toolz | not per total, cause per total there will be more that 150 connections on that port.. but from different ips. |
| 04:17.40 | fonzi | \amethyst: to be exact, i installed linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686. you know what the 'trunk' stands for? |
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| 04:18.09 | squisher | Hi, I am trying to debug xorg. I have the -dbg package, and gdb tells me what line number, but does not list the content of the line |
| 04:18.33 | squisher | for e.g. gtk I was able to put the sources at the correct location to get gdb info on the content of the lines |
| 04:18.33 | titan8990 | !trunk |
| 04:18.34 | dpkg | i heard trunk is a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground and the stability (or otherwise) of the code there varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . See also <kernel abi>. |
| 04:18.54 | squisher | but for xorg I see this weird relative path in gdb, so where to I put the sources? |
| 04:19.25 | wols | squisher: at the relative path. when you start grub, you have a working directory, relative to that |
| 04:20.21 | Tordek | I can't get php5 running on apache; a hand? |
| 04:20.24 | toolz | anyone who can confirm http://pastebin.com/USCZujUM are per IP not per total.. as I stated above? |
| 04:20.24 | squisher | wols, I'll try that. Weird but ok. Any idea why apt-get source xserver-xorg gives me a tiny package only with a debian/ dir? |
| 04:20.28 | toolz | I really need to be sure.. |
| 04:20.58 | wols | squisher: cause it's a meta package |
| 04:21.20 | Tordek | it dows run from a console, but if I try to open it from a browser, it just downloads it |
| 04:21.39 | squisher | wols, got it, xserver-xorg-core worked better |
| 04:22.00 | wols | Tordek: since it's dead easy to try out, why ask? |
| 04:22.14 | Tordek | wols: what? |
| 04:22.26 | wols | sorry, mistab. was for toolz |
| 04:22.34 | Tordek | ah |
| 04:22.57 | toolz | wols, cant test now.. |
| 04:23.04 | wols | with your error, it's usually caused by a MIME type error Tordek |
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| 04:25.29 | wols | Tordek: http://paste.debian.net/62358/ |
| 04:26.59 | Tordek | wols: http://paste.debian.net/62359/ |
| 04:27.16 | Tordek | (note:) i'm on Squeeze |
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| 04:28.30 | enyawix | anyone having issues with kdesu? |
| 04:29.37 | squisher | wols, thanks, that worked. I do still wonder how xorg is built differently from gtk though |
| 04:30.52 | enyawix | what would cause many programs to print black pager. printing pdf files with the gimp sucks but the other stuff is printing black pages |
| 04:31.14 | enyawix | blank* pages |
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| 04:35.01 | wols | enyawix: problem in the PS interpreter perhaps? |
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| 04:35.24 | wols | in the setup of it I mean |
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| 04:35.41 | BenFromOz | hello guy |
| 04:36.00 | enyawix | wols what package would translate the post script into commands? |
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| 04:36.20 | wols | ghostscript. but you'd need to check out your CUPS config |
| 04:36.31 | wols | http://localhost:631 |
| 04:36.32 | BenFromOz | I've a quick question ... On my server, my php version is 5.3 ... I would like to force using 5.2... How I can do it ? |
| 04:36.46 | wols | ,versions php5 |
| 04:36.46 | titan8990 | judd: versions php5 |
| 04:36.47 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 04:36.49 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 04:36.49 | fonzi | titan8990: thks for the info on 'trunk'. i have strayed into developers playground. |
| 04:36.58 | wols | BenFromOz: aren't you running lenny? |
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| 04:37.38 | titan8990 | I would hope so if its a production server |
| 04:37.50 | titan8990 | but it doesn't look like it if he has 5.3 |
| 04:37.51 | BenFromOz | wols: squeeze.... |
| 04:37.54 | wols | titan8990: you must be new here |
| 04:38.10 | Tordek | still can't run php D: |
| 04:38.17 | wols | BenFromOz: and the reason is? you could install lenny... |
| 04:38.19 | titan8990 | wols: yeah, just strolled in I guess |
| 04:38.30 | wols | titan8990: welcome! then :) |
| 04:38.32 | wols | !beer titan8990 |
| 04:38.47 | enyawix | wols my cups is fine because my winblows clients print just fine |
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| 04:39.09 | BenFromOz | wols: it's a production server... I can't reinstall everything... My problem is php 5.3 run fine... But I need for 1 website to run php 5.2 |
| 04:39.11 | wols | enyawix: great bit of reasoning. you "know" this how? |
| 04:39.16 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Spaten Optimator for titan8990 |
| 04:39.41 | titan8990 | BenFromOz: curious, why did you choose squeeze for your production server? |
| 04:39.43 | enyawix | wols wife just printed from xp |
| 04:39.58 | wols | enyawix: this reasoning is pure nonsense |
| 04:40.20 | wols | enyawix: just think: what driver is installed on the windows side? |
| 04:40.24 | enyawix | wols and some linux aps can print fine |
| 04:40.30 | BenFromOz | to be honnest... it's maybe an error.. But squeeze seems to be fine when i've done it |
| 04:40.37 | enyawix | the gimp and openoffice |
| 04:40.54 | fonzi | the trouble is, a search shows that the next higher version kernel after 2.6.18-4 is 2.6.32-trunk |
| 04:41.13 | wols | fonzi: wrong |
| 04:41.27 | titan8990 | BenFromOz: are we talking business production or personal production server? |
| 04:41.37 | wols | fonzi: lenny comes with 2.6.26. and if you upgrade from 2.6.18 (etch) to 2.6.32 you get errors/warnings |
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| 04:41.44 | fonzi | wols: i just did a 'apt-cache search linux-image*' |
| 04:41.47 | enyawix | what happen to xpdf in squeeze? |
| 04:41.52 | wols | fonzi: what debian do you run? |
| 04:42.01 | wols | ,versions xpdf |
| 04:42.04 | judd | xpdf -- etch: 3.01-9.1+etch5; etch-security: 3.01-9.1+etch6; etch-backports: 3.02-1.4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.02-1.4+lenny1; lenny-security: 3.02-1.4+lenny1; sid: 3.02-1.4+lenny1 |
| 04:42.16 | BenFromOz | titan8990: business |
| 04:42.21 | titan8990 | enyawix: it was removed due to outstanding security flaws and lack of maintence |
| 04:42.30 | BenFromOz | titan8990: but a small one |
| 04:42.37 | enyawix | :( |
| 04:42.53 | enyawix | titan8990 kpdf as well ? |
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| 04:43.57 | titan8990 | enyawix: don't know, probably if it was a front-end for xpdf. try epdfview |
| 04:44.06 | titan8990 | judd: versions epdfview |
| 04:44.08 | judd | epdfview -- lenny: 0.1.6-7; sid: 0.1.7-2; squeeze: 0.1.7-2 |
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| 04:45.09 | titan8990 | BenFromOz: well, installing a different version of an interpreter is not difficult. just compile and install to /usr/local. however, i don't know how multiple apache modules work |
| 04:45.11 | fonzi | wols: should be lenny. |
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| 04:45.32 | BenFromOz | hmm titan8990 |
| 04:45.36 | wols | fonzi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:45.41 | BenFromOz | titan8990: ok.. i will try |
| 04:45.48 | titan8990 | fonzi: sounds like you added a sid repo and have been mixing releases |
| 04:45.51 | wols | titan8990: they don't. if you want to mix, cgi it is |
| 04:46.13 | titan8990 | BenFromOz: 2nd server |
| 04:47.51 | fonzi | wols: its squeeze/sid. Ok, lenny has gone stable. I am on 'testing', so it is now squeeze/sid. |
| 04:48.07 | enyawix | titan8990 ok pdf options are getting limited |
| 04:48.18 | RayzrShrp | http://paste.debian.net/62363/ |
| 04:48.20 | titan8990 | fonzi: uhh, its time to move on when the release goes stable? |
| 04:48.34 | RayzrShrp | can somebody help explain how debian is listing usb hubs/devices? |
| 04:48.41 | titan8990 | enyawix: if you look at the xpf bugs, you probably wouldn't want to use it anyways |
| 04:49.01 | RayzrShrp | my debian box has 6 usb ports. 4 in the back and 2 in the front |
| 04:49.05 | fonzi | titan8990: actually, its debian wich automatically moves me on. |
| 04:49.36 | RayzrShrp | but lsusb lists 4 usb host controlers |
| 04:49.39 | RayzrShrp | http://paste.debian.net/62363/ |
| 04:49.56 | titan8990 | fonzi: that means your repo is called by type, i.e. "stable" or "testing", instead of "lenny" or "squeeze" |
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| 04:50.11 | fonzi | yeah |
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| 04:50.27 | titan8990 | RayzrShrp: do you have 4 usb ports? |
| 04:50.40 | fonzi | thks for all the help. bye. |
| 04:50.46 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: I have 6 |
| 04:51.03 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: 4 in the back and 2 on the front |
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| 04:53.24 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: my output is here http://paste.debian.net/62363/ |
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| 04:55.22 | titan8990 | RayzrShrp: yes, i saw it |
| 04:55.33 | titan8990 | RayzrShrp: don't know what to tell you, does something not work? |
| 04:56.01 | titan8990 | Tordek: ask your real question or explain your problem |
| 04:56.04 | titan8990 | !ask |
| 04:56.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:56.34 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: no everything works im just studying for my LPI and trying to understand why it's reporting usb so strangely |
| 04:56.49 | Tordek | titan8990: third time's the charm, then? "I can't run PHP scripts from apache, but they run fine from CLI." |
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| 04:58.41 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: ok my guess is after pulling my wireless mouse receiver and moving it around is that hp/compaq has 4 usb controllers on this motherboard |
| 04:58.51 | titan8990 | Tordek: did you install the apache module? is it enabled? |
| 04:59.16 | titan8990 | judd: versions libapache-mod-php5 |
| 04:59.17 | judd | libapache-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16 |
| 04:59.25 | titan8990 | judd: versions libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:59.26 | judd | libapache2-mod-php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 04:59.27 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: 6 ports / 2 = 3 banks of 2 ports per controller. I think the three controllers are all coming back to one ehci |
| 04:59.55 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: so all the ports are uhci fed off a ehci hub internally maybe |
| 05:00.07 | RayzrShrp | titan8990: does that sound plausable? |
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| 05:01.05 | Tordek | titan8990: yes, and yes |
| 05:01.23 | titan8990 | Tordek: also, if you tried to test it prior to installing the module, it will continue to not work until you clear your browser's cache |
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| 05:02.23 | titan8990 | ah, found the factoid |
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| 05:02.25 | titan8990 | !php wants me to download |
| 05:02.26 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
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| 05:03.03 | Tordek | curl http://localhost/~tordek/props.php |
| 05:03.04 | Tordek | curl: (52) Empty reply from server |
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| 05:03.11 | BenFromOz | titan8990: an advice : which version of debian you think is the best for a production server ? lenny ? |
| 05:03.14 | Tordek | (at least the error _changed_ now ;[ |
| 05:03.23 | titan8990 | BenFromOz: current stable, yes |
| 05:03.29 | BenFromOz | ok thanks |
| 05:03.40 | debuser-49084 | anyone successfully able to play divx in firefox (streaming)? |
| 05:03.47 | PinkFreud | Tordek: now check your site's error log |
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| 05:04.43 | Tordek | [Thu Mar 04 02:02:55 2010] [notice] child pid 4284 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 05:05.29 | titan8990 | Tordek: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:05.38 | Tordek | squeeze |
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| 05:07.13 | Tordek | hmm, ok, I changed it again by restarting apache, which now reports PHP correctly... but now curl gets the file unprocessed |
| 05:08.02 | titan8990 | always squeeze |
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| 05:10.41 | lewis22 | for apache2 rewrite, what's the best way of having: /foo/string redirect to /?bar=string |
| 05:11.05 | lewis22 | I had: RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/foo/(.*)$ |
| 05:11.07 | PinkFreud | Tordek: apache2? |
| 05:11.12 | Tordek | PinkFreud: yes |
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| 05:11.41 | PinkFreud | does /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf and php.load exist? |
| 05:11.54 | Tordek | yep |
| 05:12.13 | PinkFreud | are they symlinked into /etc/apache2/mods-enabled? |
| 05:12.31 | Tordek | yup |
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| 05:13.13 | Tordek | (error.log reports: [notice] Apache/2.2.14 (Debian) PHP/5.3.1-5 with Suhosin-Patch mod_wsgi/2.8 Python/2.5.5 configured -- resuming normal operations) |
| 05:14.31 | Tordek | and opening a php file with curl shows that the proper mime-type is sent by apache; it's just php files aren't being processed by the preprocessor before sending the result to me |
| 05:15.01 | PinkFreud | check php5.conf. make sure your script's extension appears on the application/x-httpd/php line |
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| 05:15.33 | Tordek | PinkFreud: http://paste.debian.net/62359/ |
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| 05:15.54 | lewis22 | anyone? |
| 05:16.24 | Tordek | lewis22: being that a purely apache-related question, shouldn't you ask in #apache? |
| 05:16.34 | PinkFreud | interesting |
| 05:16.38 | titan8990 | Tordek: #httpd |
| 05:17.03 | PinkFreud | Tordek: looks like it's configured to only look for .php3 or .phtml |
| 05:17.22 | Tordek | PinkFreud: "php3?" = "php" or "php3" |
| 05:17.28 | lewis22 | they're asleep ;) |
| 05:17.45 | PinkFreud | whoops, you're right |
| 05:17.54 | PinkFreud | missed the question mark |
| 05:18.12 | PinkFreud | lewis22: try #iis then |
| 05:20.49 | PinkFreud | Tordek: don't know what to tell you. config file snippet somewhere changing the behavior of the php module? vhost configuration? you'll need to go over your configuration carefully. |
| 05:21.20 | PinkFreud | it's also possible that php5 or apache2 is simply broken. do keep in mind that squeeze hasn't been released yet. |
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| 05:21.43 | Tordek | PinkFreud: eh |
| 05:21.58 | Tordek | I found the problem |
| 05:22.03 | PinkFreud | oh? |
| 05:22.15 | Tordek | it's disabled on userdirs by default, for sime reason |
| 05:22.21 | Tordek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.21 | Tordek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.23 | Tordek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.29 | PinkFreud | ahh. |
| 05:22.42 | PinkFreud | most likely security :) |
| 05:22.50 | Tordek | who needs that? ;[ |
| 05:23.00 | PinkFreud | not a good idea to allow users to run scripts out of the box. |
| 05:23.05 | Tordek | j/k |
| 05:23.13 | Tordek | thanks for all, PinkFreud titan8990 wols |
| 05:23.31 | PinkFreud | if an admin wants that functionality, he/she/it should explicitly enable it :) |
| 05:23.40 | PinkFreud | have fun |
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| 05:27.29 | bluejeans | hello. i'm wanting to boot an ia64 netinstall from usb as per instrunctions on wiki... however there doen'st seem to be an disk image available in the ia64 branch... is there a different one that will work?? |
| 05:28.01 | bluejeans | (btw... this is a testing/squeeze netinstall we're talking about |
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| 05:29.10 | wols | bluejeans: you sure you have an IA64 CPU? |
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| 05:29.21 | wols | And the way to install debian testing is to install debian stable and upgrade |
| 05:29.43 | wols | bluejeans: just because you have a 64bit intel CPU doesn't mean you want IA64 |
| 05:30.08 | wols | bluejeans: about 99% of all people with one, will need the AMD64 version |
| 05:30.59 | bluejeans | wols: its a netbook... i read in the forums that this is the recommended arch for it ... ??? |
| 05:31.24 | wols | the forum is utterly wrong. IA64 is for itanium |
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| 05:31.39 | bluejeans | ok... that's nice to know |
| 05:31.42 | bluejeans | :S |
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| 05:31.50 | wols | get the AMD64 installer |
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| 05:32.26 | wols | btw: amd64 on a netbook doesn't make much sense. nothing to take advantage of the 64bitness |
| 05:32.51 | bluejeans | ok i'll probably just stick with 32 bit then.. |
| 05:33.04 | bluejeans | i already have builds i can put on |
| 05:33.32 | wols | atom will work fine on amd64 but there aren't really any programs suited for an atom that can use it |
| 05:33.44 | bluejeans | i was just interested in trying any optimizations... |
| 05:33.51 | RayzrShrp | anybody know a good free virtual kvm that will work between a windows 7 machine and a debian machine? |
| 05:34.18 | RayzrShrp | my win box has dvi out and my debian only has vga but i dont wanna convert video from win down to analog for a hardware kvm |
| 05:34.23 | bluejeans | ok the.. thanks wols |
| 05:34.26 | bluejeans | :) |
| 05:34.35 | wols | what is a virtual kvm? |
| 05:35.00 | RayzrShrp | wols: i've heard about software that will let you kvm mouse/keyboard/display over your network somehow |
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| 05:35.52 | RayzrShrp | wols: hmm i found synergy but looks like it only does keyboard/mouse |
| 05:35.54 | RayzrShrp | bummer |
| 05:35.58 | wols | RayzrShrp: you can access another machine over the network via terminal services, vnc, etc. |
| 05:36.11 | wols | heck, even X11 does it |
| 05:36.29 | wols | it is however, never called kvm |
| 05:36.31 | RayzrShrp | wols: i know but i have a nice big flat screen and i run my windows on it, would love to be able to run xwindows on it too with the same keyboard and mouse |
| 05:36.45 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 05:36.51 | wols | then learn about X servers |
| 05:36.54 | wols | and run one |
| 05:36.56 | RayzrShrp | wols: i used to use nomachine which worked pretty good |
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| 05:37.07 | wols | then continue to use it |
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| 05:37.24 | RayzrShrp | wols: well even with x servers i cant get to it via a windows machine without x installed locally on it can i? |
| 05:38.00 | wols | the X server is installed on the PC with the display, your windows machine... |
| 05:38.34 | wols | and if you use nomachine or vnc or so, the server is installed on your debian, and the client on your windows |
| 05:38.46 | wols | with terminal services it's the other way around |
| 05:38.59 | RayzrShrp | wols: is there a x server for windows? |
| 05:39.13 | wols | there are half a dozen |
| 05:39.22 | enyawix | PinkFreud php5 and apache2 work in squeeze i have it running now |
| 05:39.29 | wols | for a free one, use xming |
| 05:39.31 | RayzrShrp | wols: so i could get full screen xdesktop with gnome and all the bells and whistles? |
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| 05:39.49 | wols | RayzrShrp: you ALWAYS run windows in the background. no other way |
| 05:40.04 | wols | you can get your gnome desktop with nomachine too |
| 05:40.09 | RayzrShrp | wols: well thats pretty encourging |
| 05:40.22 | RayzrShrp | wols: yeah i got that to work before but nomachine caused a lot of errors i didnt understand |
| 05:40.50 | PinkFreud | enyawix: I see that. I mentioned it as a possibility, since he wasn't able to get it working. |
| 05:41.02 | cheako | Hello, does any one know about tools to work with the input devices? event and mouse? |
| 05:41.06 | RayzrShrp | wols: ultimately i would be nice to be able to run locally on both machines to same monitor but difference in video outputs and my wireless usb mouse makes a hardware kvm switch impossible |
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| 05:41.14 | cheako | I know I can spawn X with different configs but I'd rather have some other tool. |
| 05:41.55 | RayzrShrp | wols: would you suggest nomachine over xming? |
| 05:42.28 | wols | I don't suggest anything |
| 05:42.34 | RayzrShrp | lol |
| 05:42.35 | cheako | I'm so freaking exited I have a muti-touch mouse. Now I must master it. There is a full 3 to 4 square inches of button space unconfigured. |
| 05:42.44 | squisher | cheako, you're pretty lean on details - what do you want to do with the input devices? |
| 05:42.55 | RayzrShrp | wols: do you run linux strictly then? |
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| 05:43.09 | wols | no |
| 05:43.11 | squisher | RayzrShrp, imho nomachine is always worth it if you're working over a WAN. If you're on a LAN, there is little point |
| 05:43.33 | cheako | For input devices the key is to read the output... I know how that sounds. |
| 05:44.17 | cheako | don't get me wrong cat is a great tool and I've used it a number of times to help get devices sending data... but I need to work with this data. |
| 05:44.20 | RayzrShrp | squisher: my debian machine and windows machine are like 4 feet apart |
| 05:44.35 | RayzrShrp | squisher: on a 100Mbps lan here in my house |
| 05:44.50 | squisher | RayzrShrp, I already told you what I think then :) |
| 05:44.52 | cheako | I guess I could just find some way of putting it into oomath. |
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| 05:45.12 | cheako | I'd like the bytes grouped at the vary least. |
| 05:45.23 | RayzrShrp | squisher: you told me nomachine is good for over a wan, what do you suggest for over a lan? xming? |
| 05:45.33 | cheako | I'm rather just looking for tcpdump for my input devices. |
| 05:45.57 | squisher | Ah sorry, well, yes, plain X, e.g. xming, and probably ssh |
| 05:46.22 | squisher | so you'll end up running 'ssh -X foo@bar' to get the X forwarding working |
| 05:46.26 | RayzrShrp | squisher: ok ill check that out thanks |
| 05:46.47 | squisher | I guess cygwin will give you everything you need, but I haven't used that stuff in a while |
| 05:46.48 | RayzrShrp | squisher: i guess i could just use nomachine again since i have a nomachine client on my work machine and its nice to be able to remote into my machine here at home from work |
| 05:47.24 | squisher | yes, plain X works terrible with any kind of latency, imho. NX works fine. |
| 05:47.35 | cheako | xev, without the X. |
| 05:48.35 | RayzrShrp | of course i see nomachine isnt a package under debian like it was under ubuntu |
| 05:48.56 | wols | nomachine isn't Free software |
| 05:49.18 | RayzrShrp | i see i can just downloa the debs from their website though |
| 05:49.37 | RayzrShrp | i would think it would be under the non-free apt sources |
| 05:50.37 | RayzrShrp | crap i doubt xming is written for 64bit windows |
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| 05:51.25 | wols | does xming need > 4GB of RAM? |
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| 05:51.58 | RayzrShrp | wols: doubt it so wow should work i see from their site |
| 05:52.24 | Joint | damn firefox sucks ass |
| 05:52.30 | wols | *sigh* |
| 05:52.38 | RayzrShrp | i honestly dont even know why i have 64bit windows |
| 05:52.43 | Surrador | I have struggled with theh issue of racism for quiet some time |
| 05:52.43 | RayzrShrp | seems more trouble then it |
| 05:52.47 | RayzrShrp | s worth |
| 05:52.53 | Joint | i can't believe they made chrome to run in linux |
| 05:52.55 | Joint | that's cool |
| 05:53.07 | Surrador | I used to believe the excuses of racism and oppression for the negrrros appaling behavior |
| 05:53.12 | RayzrShrp | wols: i meant windows on windows not world or warcraft |
| 05:53.21 | wols | Surrador: please stop |
| 05:53.22 | Surrador | but after a while I realized that the fecal beasts are just a natural at apelike behavior |
| 05:53.32 | Surrador | That is why I joined Chimpout Forum! |
| 05:53.40 | Surrador | google it and join today! |
| 05:53.44 | wols | !ops surrador is trolling |
| 05:53.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: surrador is trolling |
| 05:53.49 | Surrador | We welcome all non-negroes |
| 05:54.36 | RayzrShrp | umm i think it's spelled negros LOL |
| 05:54.42 | wols | RayzrShrp: STOP! |
| 05:54.54 | RayzrShrp | that's all i was saying wols |
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| 05:57.21 | Joint | hey how do i build googleearth-package |
| 05:57.22 | Joint | ? |
| 05:57.35 | Surrador | !ops dpkg is lying and making false reports |
| 05:57.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: surrador complains about: dpkg is lying and making false reports |
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| 05:57.57 | Joint | Surrador, shut the fuck up u dumb ass |
| 05:58.06 | Joint | u dumb alien mexican |
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| 05:59.25 | wols | Joint: stop that. or you will be banned next |
| 05:59.31 | Joint | don't care |
| 05:59.34 | Joint | i can care less |
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| 06:01.04 | \amethyst | When I was a kid, I thought "when I grow up and all the old folks have died, there will be no more racism". Ah, the naivete of youth... |
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| 06:01.34 | Joint | keep the racism better |
| 06:01.43 | Joint | just every race sticks with there race |
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| 06:02.44 | Joint | Just kidding |
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| 06:03.09 | PinkFreud | Joint: wow, I don't know where to start with such an idiotic statement |
| 06:03.13 | Joint | lol |
| 06:03.22 | wols | PinkFreud: just ignore the troll |
| 06:03.22 | Joint | don't start at all |
| 06:03.30 | Joint | wols, shut up you op wanna be |
| 06:03.41 | Joint | you are just piss off that you can't become an op you idiot |
| 06:04.05 | PinkFreud | sighs, puts Joint on ignore |
| 06:04.11 | Joint | better |
| 06:04.12 | Joint | =) |
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| 06:09.52 | RayzrShrp | wols: looks like xming isnt free anymore |
| 06:10.00 | RayzrShrp | wols: the site wants a username/password to download it |
| 06:10.10 | Surrador | chingao |
| 06:10.40 | wols | RayzrShrp: it's GPL. where are you trying to download it from? |
| 06:10.58 | RayzrShrp | wols: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ |
| 06:11.50 | wols | trust RayzrShrp to find a paysite for a GPL program when the real xming site is first on goolge |
| 06:12.10 | RayzrShrp | wols: LOL yeah i just saw the GPL one lol |
| 06:12.13 | RayzrShrp | <- Rtard |
| 06:12.22 | wols | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming/ |
| 06:12.30 | RayzrShrp | wols: yeah i see it now |
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| 06:12.55 | ungage | why am I in here. I don't even read this channel :( |
| 06:13.06 | ungage | or use debian anymore, either. bah. |
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| 06:14.35 | wols | thanks |
| 06:14.52 | wols | dondelelcaro: and keep a watch on join please |
| 06:15.08 | dondelelcaro | wols: just ask for ops if you see someting; I'm busy |
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| 06:16.36 | wols | k |
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| 06:27.42 | eviltoasterLIA | how do i auto start a gui program after i start x? |
| 06:27.49 | eviltoasterLIA | or do i need a wm?? |
| 06:28.12 | RayzrShrp | wow nice got xming working and it's exactly what I was looking for |
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| 06:28.24 | RayzrShrp | much lighter footprint then nomachine on my windows machine |
| 06:28.53 | wols | eviltoasterLIA: you can use ~/.xinitrc |
| 06:29.27 | Riviera | It's sad that xming does not in some way respect different keyboard layouts. |
| 06:29.32 | wols | eviltoasterLIA: you always was a WM when running X. what desktop do you run right now? |
| 06:30.27 | Riviera | I mean, switching between layouts from windows. |
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| 06:31.30 | RayzrShrp | oh that is slick |
| 06:33.42 | eviltoasterLIA | wols, right know im on my laptop. running debian squeeze with gnome but im not talking about this setup. |
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| 06:51.54 | ima | apt-get update fails on hash sum mismatch |
| 06:52.26 | ima | this is squeeze(testing) with latest stable kernel |
| 06:53.44 | ima | aptitude update works fine, however |
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| 07:20.11 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
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| 07:21.41 | wols | ,versions usb-modeswitch |
| 07:21.43 | judd | usb-modeswitch -- sid: 1.1.0-2; squeeze: 1.1.0-2 |
| 07:21.53 | wols | f00bar80: did you try to backport? |
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| 07:23.42 | daltio111 | guys i want to gerp todays login logs from last command |
| 07:23.53 | daltio111 | i am doing last > /var/log/loginlog |
| 07:24.08 | daltio111 | ask=`date |awk -F" " '{print $2, $3}'` |
| 07:24.18 | daltio111 | cat /var/log/loginlog | grep -E "$ask" > /var/log/loginlog1 |
| 07:24.21 | daltio111 | its not wotking |
| 07:24.54 | daltio111 | b/c date gives Mar 4 with sinle space and last gives date as Mar 4 with double space |
| 07:25.01 | daltio111 | how i make this working |
| 07:25.03 | daltio111 | any idea? |
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| 07:25.18 | Noble | Is there a problem with using gparted on an RAID array? |
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| 07:26.04 | jelly-hme | daltio111: read date's manual, you can specify a format. |
| 07:26.14 | larrikin | I'm having an issue with the 'st' driver (kern=2.6.30.5) and afio .. I have a Sony DDS4 drive that I've not used before, spacing to the end of the tape produces an I/O error condition |
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| 07:27.23 | daltio111 | how? am stuck in this |
| 07:27.25 | daltio111 | can u tel me |
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| 07:28.09 | wols | daltio111: date --date=FORMATSTRING |
| 07:28.37 | jelly-hme | er, wols meant date +FORMATSTRING, naturally |
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| 07:29.54 | wols | jelly-hme: I'm not really awake. I'm sleepwalking |
| 07:29.59 | wols | bumps into cupboard |
| 07:30.00 | daltio111 | sorry i can not understand |
| 07:30.19 | jelly-hme | wols: and I'm late for work! Have fun :-) |
| 07:30.20 | wols | daltio111: man date shows you a list for possible formats (%b and such) |
| 07:30.37 | wols | you use it like this: date +%b that shows abbrev. month name |
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| 07:32.38 | jaggz | if I see something as a child of screen, running in pts/9, how do I know which screen session pts/9 is? |
| 07:32.59 | wols | jaggz: try pstree |
| 07:33.33 | jaggz | oh I see it (using ps auxwf .. f does the tree I think) |
| 07:33.59 | jaggz | just don't know how to find the particular screen it's in .. I have 9 of them up.. I don't like going to each one and typing "tty" or "fg" |
| 07:35.10 | daltio111 | wols but when date is 10 |
| 07:35.21 | daltio111 | the this format is again wrong |
| 07:35.27 | daltio111 | am confused |
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| 07:37.43 | wols | daltio111: maybe try to play with the optional flags as describned in the man page |
| 07:38.51 | \amethyst | daltio111: date +'%b %e' %e is the day of the week, space-padded to two characters |
| 07:40.00 | \amethyst | err, day of the month |
| 07:40.43 | daltio111 | true it works |
| 07:40.52 | daltio111 | but you know how auth.log is |
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| 07:41.23 | daltio111 | is date is 10 the auth.log shows only one space not two |
| 07:41.32 | daltio111 | this 2 space is only for 1-9 |
| 07:41.53 | \amethyst | daltio111: yes, and if the date is 10 date +'%b %e' has one space, not two |
| 07:43.00 | \amethyst | try it: date +'%b %e'; date -d '+ 1 week' +'%b %e' |
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| 07:52.52 | f00bar80 | wols, backport , you mean to use the sid package ? |
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| 08:01.13 | unomi | common reasons for slow sudo? |
| 08:01.40 | unomi | aka, how do I find out why my sudo is slow? |
| 08:02.09 | dondelelcaro | unomi: slow at what point? |
| 08:03.47 | unomi | when I try to execute any command with sudo |
| 08:04.15 | dondelelcaro | unomi: and when is it slow? when it asks you for the password? or when it is executing the command? |
| 08:04.28 | unomi | when it is executing the command |
| 08:04.40 | unomi | hmm |
| 08:04.46 | unomi | could be a logging issue? |
| 08:05.09 | dondelelcaro | unomi: most likely its your dns, but it could be almost anything |
| 08:05.20 | henr_k | looking at the DSA-2006-1 (sudo vuln. with a pseudo-command), my question is, what *is* a pseudo-command? |
| 08:05.35 | unomi | dondelelcaro: why does sudo care about my dns? |
| 08:05.49 | dondelelcaro | unomi: because it has to resolve your hostname in order to check with sudoers |
| 08:06.55 | unomi | this is a standalone machine, would it be fair to simply put in an entry in hosts ? |
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| 08:07.35 | unomi | intriguingly though, when the lookup times out, it lets me use sudo just fine |
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| 08:10.33 | daltio111 | amethyst thanks |
| 08:10.35 | daltio111 | it works |
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| 08:14.24 | daltio111 | guys |
| 08:14.30 | digii | anyone know where i can fins lspci, in what utils pack |
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| 08:14.36 | daltio111 | Mar 4 06:25:01 had su[32212]: Successful su for amavis by root |
| 08:14.36 | daltio111 | Mar 4 06:25:01 had su[32212]: + ??? root:amavis |
| 08:14.36 | daltio111 | Mar 4 06:25:01 had su[32212]: (pam_unix) session opened for user amavis by (ui d=0) |
| 08:14.48 | daltio111 | why amavis logs in as root on my mail server |
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| 08:33.06 | Coudy | Hi, I've upgraded my virtual debian guest from Sarge to Lenny, now I can't boot with kernel 2.6.26, but with old kernel 2.6.18 I can still boot. Virtual host is MS Virtual Server 2005 R2 |
| 08:34.16 | Coudy | I've tried other kernels too, but without success |
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| 08:39.04 | daltio111 | ? |
| 08:40.25 | wols | what happens if you boot with .26? |
| 08:40.40 | Coudy | wols, server is rebooting |
| 08:40.45 | wols | digii: packages.debian.org |
| 08:40.55 | wols | Coudy: what is the last thing on screen? |
| 08:40.55 | Coudy | today I've installed 2.6.32 kernel, and now I can boot |
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| 08:41.29 | Coudy | wols, SMP alternatives: switching to UP code |
| 08:42.05 | Coudy | wols, I've tried nosmp or maxcpus=1 , but It didn't help, only kernel 2.6.32 can boot |
| 08:43.06 | ethanol | mornin' people |
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| 08:53.21 | f00bar80 | wols, backport , you mean to use the sid package ? |
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| 09:11.24 | wols | f00bar80: yes to make a backport from sid. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:14.01 | RichiH | can i abuse iptables to rate-limit based on generic, generated on-the-fly source subnets? i.e. i want to rate-limit incoming SYNs to the hosts behind my firewall |
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| 09:15.53 | OpenTokix | RichiH: Why not use enable syncookies? |
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| 09:16.19 | jaalto | Is there a setting in VI(1) to control if it adds newline to the typed text or not? An example: empty file, hit "i a", ESC, :w => final newline is added adter "a" |
| 09:16.35 | RichiH | OpenTokix: good point, i kinda forgot about that |
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| 09:16.46 | Riviera | jaalto: i don't think so, vi should always write a trailing newline |
| 09:16.53 | RichiH | let's see if i can rate-limit on the central firewall |
| 09:18.01 | jaalto | Riviera: the controlling of final newline would be good when writing single line files (names, credentials) and there would no LF char to "chop". |
| 09:19.04 | OpenTokix | jaalto: don't that "line" contain a hidden "EOF"? |
| 09:19.06 | Riviera | jaalto: most tools automatically chop |
| 09:19.25 | Riviera | jaalto: like sed, awk, the shell's read command, etcetc. |
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| 09:20.07 | Riviera | jaalto: and, many unix "textfile handling" commands have problems dealing with textfiles not ending with a trailing newline character |
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| 09:21.17 | Joint | damn |
| 09:21.41 | jaalto | OpenTokix: just checking, because in Emacs that behavior is controllable. No hidden characters are added unless user types them. |
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| 09:22.57 | k\t | 期日 |
| 09:23.14 | OpenTokix | jaalto: But if you have emacs installed and it detects vi started, will not that send word to RMS-ninjas deploying and killing you and any that might ever had contact with you? |
| 09:23.16 | jaalto | Riviera: Shell commands yes, but reading with raw format is another issuse (open: text, binary) |
| 09:23.51 | f00bar80 | wols, i did and there was a udev issue, when i used dpkg -i , got => usb-modeswitch-data depends on udev (>=0.140-1) | not+linux-gnu; however: version of udev on system is 0.125-7+lenny3. Package not+linux-gnu is not install |
| 09:24.10 | jaalto | OpenTokix: On the contrary :-=) They command line vi(1) hails the comrade M-x vi-mode |
| 09:24.13 | Riviera | jaalto: sure it is, but what can I do except telling you how things are :) |
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| 09:24.44 | jaalto | Riviera: Thats' clear. Just wanted to check if vi(1) had that configurable, |
| 09:25.37 | tote | i saw the new update with php5 not being active for apache userdirs, but it says that you just can comment that out, but it still doesnt work, ideas? :) |
| 09:26.44 | Riviera | also I thought vimpulse would be en-vogue ;) |
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| 09:31.38 | kaushal | hi |
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| 09:33.07 | f00bar80 | wols, any comment ? |
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| 09:38.28 | DelphiWorld | hi |
| 09:38.36 | DelphiWorld | phpmyadmin package is not working corectly |
| 09:38.41 | DelphiWorld | i used it with apache2 |
| 09:38.45 | DelphiWorld | but i can't access it |
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| 09:42.39 | fireba11 | hi, some of my debian boxes have a delay up to 15 seconds between username and password on ssh login. what could cause that? it doesn't seem to always be the same delay |
| 09:42.40 | Jenna | tailf /var/log/apache2/access.log or error.log |
| 09:43.08 | Jenna | fireba11, name resolution. check ur /etc/hosts |
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| 09:43.29 | fireba11 | Jenna: what name is it trying to resolve? |
| 09:44.11 | Jenna | fireba11, not sure. you could ssh -v it |
| 09:44.32 | fireba11 | Jenna: okies, will try |
| 09:44.37 | m3onh0x84 | hi all, when debian has fix reiserfs version 3 bug ? |
| 09:44.42 | Jenna | see where it is lagging |
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| 09:45.51 | m3onh0x84 | and where debian fix reiserfs version 3 ? |
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| 09:46.49 | idebug | when exactly are scripts in /etc/cron.daily run? |
| 09:47.20 | themill | idebug: see /etc/crontab |
| 09:47.22 | fireba11 | idebug: as defined in /etc/crontab |
| 09:47.31 | fireba11 | themill: dang, too slow :-) |
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| 09:53.54 | IR5725 | hi |
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| 10:03.11 | WormFood | what package in stable has 'truncate'? in squeeze it is coreutils, but it does not appears to be in stable |
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| 10:03.33 | WormFood | I mean, truncate does not appear to be in coreutils in stable, like testing |
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| 10:06.55 | joker_89 | i have an error with zend otpimzer |
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| 10:09.42 | idebug | thanks themill & fireba11 |
| 10:10.06 | idebug | 6:25 am |
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| 10:10.28 | themill | WormFood: it's new with the newer coreutils. apt-file is your friend. |
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| 10:11.29 | freaky[t] | if i do backups should i backup /var/backups/ aswell? |
| 10:11.41 | freaky[t] | what is stored in /var/backups? package states? |
| 10:11.53 | freaky[t] | looks like - do i need those in a backup? |
| 10:12.16 | karme | freaky[t]: won't hurt ;-) |
| 10:12.32 | freaky[t] | ok i added it |
| 10:12.40 | freaky[t] | thanks |
| 10:12.58 | WormFood | apt-file search /usr/bin/truncate <-- themill, I tried this, but it returns nothing...I presume that means it is not in stable? |
| 10:14.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Ftruncate&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 10:14.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | seems to not be there |
| 10:14.32 | themill | WormFood: correct. (btw I'd normally just search for bin/truncate that way you don't need to worry about which of the bin dirs it is in) |
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| 10:15.58 | WormFood | ok, thanks for the tips |
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| 10:29.02 | trone | hi all. What I have to do (or what I have to read) to install stable packages in a testing distribution? |
| 10:29.26 | jaggz | when bash is run it runs the profile/bashrc, which is desirable, but subsequent to that I'd like to set the shell (so I can see I shelled out of my program) |
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| 10:35.59 | WormFood | themill, dd can also be used to truncate...just make the input and ouput file the same, and set seek and skip to the size you want (you can omit skip, but then seek would have to be 1 less than the size you wanted) |
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| 10:38.04 | themill | WormFood: yes. I think jelly told you that a few days when you were asking how to truncate a file. |
| 10:38.26 | WormFood | yeah, he mentioned something about it, but wasn't too clear (to me) |
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| 10:39.35 | trone | I'm on Debian testing, and I would a package from Stable distribution. I've seen that I can give: # apt-get install package/stable . I need to change apt/source.list I suppose and include the stable http address. So, what's happen when I do update ? |
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| 10:40.02 | themill | trone: what package are you looking for? |
| 10:40.24 | trone | themill: tomcat5.5 |
| 10:40.30 | trone | themill: (and dependences) |
| 10:41.13 | themill | ,depends tomcat5.5 |
| 10:41.14 | judd | tomcat5.5 -- depends: default-jdk | java2-runtime-headless | java2-runtime, libtomcat5.5-java (>= 5.5.26-5), adduser (>= 3.34), libecj-java, jsvc (>= 1.0.2~svn20061127-6). |
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| 10:41.36 | trone | judd: yes. I want that version and not the testing stuff. |
| 10:41.42 | themill | The dependencies are modest so you should have a reasonable chance of getting it to work. |
| 10:42.03 | themill | why aren't you just running lenny btw? |
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| 10:43.07 | trone | themill: dont know: this box was installed with testing upon. Maybe for new hardware.. |
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| 10:44.05 | themill | trone: a newer kernel for stable normally solves that and you then have a stable platform to work with. Testing really makes a very poor choice for a server. |
| 10:44.09 | gc | hi there! is there any apt-get command to list the available configured sources, and list the available packages from a given source? can't find that |
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| 10:44.34 | gc | it's to support a user who claims my package isn't found |
| 10:45.43 | trone | themill: yep. you are right. But I fear that downgrade the box could to make more damages that run single working packages. |
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| 10:46.41 | MaxFrames | hello. when I'm connected to a debian box via vnc, the alt and altgr keys are not working, can you help me? (ps I'm using an international - italian - keyboard) |
| 10:46.42 | themill | trone: you can't downgrade anyway, you'd have to reinstall. But you're leaving yourself with quite a lot of work to do in the next few months until squeeze releases. Anyway, try out tomcat5.5 and see how you go. |
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| 10:47.26 | themill | gc: apt-cache policy; aptitude search '?origin(name-of-repo)' |
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| 10:48.01 | trone | themill: thank you, you are perfectly right. I cant' reinstall this remote box (at least I can't decide it alone...) so... |
| 10:48.21 | trone | themill: then I have to add stable line in source.list, update and get the package. |
| 10:48.42 | themill | trone: ultimately when squeeze releases, you're going to have to decide what to do with tomcat anyway. I take it you can't move to tomcat 6 easily? |
| 10:49.01 | trone | themill: automatically upgrade what to do at that point? see the newer version? |
| 10:49.27 | trone | themill: I should avoid tomcat6 for this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572048 |
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| 10:49.52 | trone | themill: that box run just tomcat... so is more important that tomcat run than other.. |
| 10:50.05 | gc | themill: thanks! though I can't make the aptitude command to work; for example out of the following, what's the "name-of-repo"? |
| 10:50.09 | gc | # cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list |
| 10:50.09 | gc | deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main |
| 10:50.11 | sortIT | says hello :) |
| 10:50.19 | gc | "google-chrome" doesn't work, nore "google-chrome.list" |
| 10:50.26 | trone | themill: I think to upgrade the box if I can, without touch tomcat or java |
| 10:50.31 | themill | gc: the o="..." information from apt-cache policy |
| 10:50.52 | gc | themill: ok; and if there's no o=? |
| 10:51.18 | paissad | what do you personnlay like much, gdm or kdm ? |
| 10:51.26 | gc | e.g.: |
| 10:51.27 | gc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.27 | gc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:53.05 | themill | gc: add an "Origin: " line to your Release file. If you're using something like reprepro then it will do this for you automatically. |
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| 10:54.58 | themill | gc: failing that, negation might help -- aptitude search '!?origin(debian)' |
| 10:56.02 | trone | themill: thank you very much for you advices. Really kind |
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| 10:56.37 | themill | trone: no worries. You might need to indulge in a bit of pinning to get this to work. "/msg dpkg pinning" |
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| 10:57.01 | gc | themill: ok, thanks a lot! |
| 10:57.05 | themill | trone: but you're going to have to work out how to do your security support for both java and tomcat here. |
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| 10:59.12 | trone | themill: yes, I have to study a bit for pinning.. |
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| 11:13.36 | kwk | Hello, I'd like to know if I can get help here with KDE 3.5.10 from Debian Lenny? I think there is a strange behaviour considering KPrinter. KDE developers just told me that KDE 3.5 is no longer being developed. Well, files are being deleted when converted to a printable format. Try printing a PLAIN TEXT, a PDF and a JPG document and see for yourself! |
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| 11:18.17 | pozic | Is there some vector math library written in C which is used by a lot of people available in the repositories? |
| 11:18.17 | themill | kwk: I can't reproduce that at all. What exactly are you doing? |
| 11:19.18 | themill | pozic: is GSL what you're looking for? (apt-cache search gsl) |
| 11:20.15 | pozic | themill: I need something which can be included in closed-source software. |
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| 11:21.35 | pozic | themill: it appears Sony wrote something with a suitable license :) |
| 11:21.37 | themill | pozic: you're probably asking in the wrong place then. (BTW I've had good success in the past with "if you let me GPL this software that I'm writing for you I get to use all these libraries for free") |
| 11:22.03 | kwk | themill: Start kprinter. Click on "Options" and select three files (PDF, TXT and JPG). Select a printer (NOT one of the default print-to-pdf ones and alike). Select the printing system to be CUPS. Click on "Print" and then when you are asked to convert the files, hit "Convert". You may not see the last dialog because you may have set it to a default behavior. |
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| 11:25.06 | pozic | themill: I doubt the company wants to give up 20 manyears of work. In principle it would be best if everyone would cooperate, but this is not #politics. |
| 11:25.28 | themill | :) |
| 11:25.50 | pozic | themill: also, I believe even that merely by using a library you contribute. |
| 11:26.06 | pozic | themill: since you do bugreport and often write patches. |
| 11:26.10 | kaushal | anyone has tried ossim ? |
| 11:26.13 | pozic | bugreports* |
| 11:26.34 | babilen | kaushal: What would you ask if somebody said yes? |
| 11:27.02 | pozic | themill: for code which is already perfect, licensing it as BSD won't make it better. |
| 11:27.06 | kaushal | babilen: is there a howto for ossim ? |
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| 11:27.21 | pozic | themill: then again, how much perfect code is there? |
| 11:28.17 | babilen | kaushal: no idea - i have never used it. You might want to ask in #ossim |
| 11:28.41 | kaushal | babilen: sure |
| 11:28.59 | kwk | themill: Could you verify the printer problem? |
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| 11:35.06 | themill | kwk: yes, if I do what you said for *some* files but not others. Specifying only one file seems not to show this bug. Please "reportbug kdeprint" to file a bug about this. Make the severity level "critical" (Justification: causes serious data loss, deletes files). |
| 11:35.36 | themill | kwk: I wouldn't hold your breath on getting that bug fixed though. |
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| 11:38.26 | kwk | reportbug kdeprint |
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| 11:39.59 | kwk | themill: where is the bug report place? |
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| 11:40.28 | babilen | kwk: try "reportbug kdeprint" in a terminal :) |
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| 11:51.15 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the pkg of choice for ripping the text out of a pdf? |
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| 11:53.31 | streuner_ | jpinx-eeepc: apt-cache show xpdf-utils |
| 11:53.54 | jpinx-eeepc | streuner_: good morning - thanks :) |
| 11:54.08 | streuner_ | jpinx-eeepc: pdftotext (PDF to text converter) is in that package, sound to me ok |
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| 11:54.59 | streuner_ | hi |
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| 11:55.22 | streuner_ | s/sound/sounds/ |
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| 11:57.47 | jpinx-eeepc | streuner_: I'd have installed the pdftotext on it's own - but it's not a separate pkg :( |
| 11:58.26 | kwk | themill: babilen: I reported the kdeprinter bug. Thanks for your help |
| 11:58.36 | themill | kwk: excellent. Thanks for doing that. |
| 11:58.38 | babilen | kwk: thank you too :) |
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| 11:59.02 | mutable_malachi | Hey there guys. I'm trying to upgrade to squeeze, and udev's installation scripts state that it's inadvisable to install the newer unless there is a newer kernel: http://pastebin.com/SLR6XFVD - however, I cannot update the kernel without having udev installed, because aptitude/apt have an issue with the unresolved dependency. |
| 11:59.19 | ePax | How can i create new SSL certificate? |
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| 11:59.43 | mutable_malachi | ePax: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 |
| 11:59.59 | Gunni^ | hey can someone here help me with debugging why my server won't boot |
| 12:00.19 | ePax | mutable_malachi: I was just reading that page :D |
| 12:00.19 | Gunni^ | the last message on screen before it just does nothing is warning not loading blacklisted module ipv6 |
| 12:00.24 | babilen | !tell mutable_malachi -about udev squeeze |
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| 12:01.24 | mutable_malachi | babilen: factoid appreciated, the problem is that I cannot install a squeeze kernel on account of udev. |
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| 12:02.11 | mutable_malachi | babilen: http://pastebin.com/q4JXrFJz |
| 12:02.50 | themill | mutable_malachi: so what does "aptitude -f install linux-image-686" want to do? |
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| 12:03.48 | mutable_malachi | themill: the following: http://pastebin.com/FdXGXAEb |
| 12:03.59 | mutable_malachi | But I'm not sure if udev will complain. Is it safe to ignore it? |
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| 12:04.09 | babilen | looks good |
| 12:04.26 | mutable_malachi | Okay, I'll give it a try. |
| 12:04.30 | babilen | ignore what exactly? is udev complaining? |
| 12:05.00 | themill | 2.6.30 isn't the current kernel in squeeze btw |
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| 12:06.00 | Gunni^ | "warning -- not loading blacklisted module ipv6" then nothing, what should i do? |
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| 12:06.12 | mutable_malachi | babilen: yeah, it does: http://pastebin.com/ipHvcrQx |
| 12:06.17 | mutable_malachi | Gunni^: it's nothing to be worried about. |
| 12:06.25 | Gunni^ | but the system doesnt boot |
| 12:06.32 | mutable_malachi | Gunni^: warnings are just advisories. Errors are what stop things. |
| 12:06.33 | Gunni^ | well it doesnt finish booting |
| 12:06.54 | Gunni^ | even if i try single user mode |
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| 12:07.07 | Gunni^ | 8adxUw |
| 12:07.28 | Gunni^ | fails epicly, sends a few tcp packets to lo |
| 12:07.30 | themill | makes Gunni^ change his password |
| 12:07.39 | Gunni^ | heh thats not it ;) |
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| 12:08.28 | Gunni^ | any idea what to do? |
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| 12:09.18 | TestUser | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3629610&id=266453492661 |
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| 12:09.40 | Gunni^ | nvm ill figure it out |
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| 12:09.44 | themill | TestUser: wrong channel? |
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| 12:10.44 | babilen | mutable_malachi: what does 'aptitude -f install' give you? |
| 12:10.50 | babilen | mutable_malachi: brb |
| 12:10.57 | icebrain | is enjoying KMS and high resolution VTs |
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| 12:12.38 | mutable_malachi | babilen: http://pastebin.com/wci0f2gi |
| 12:12.43 | mutable_malachi | I appreciate the guidance. :) |
| 12:12.56 | mutable_malachi | ePax: what part are you stuck on with that FAQ? |
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| 12:20.18 | babilen | mutable_malachi: so you have installed the new kernel, but udev refuses to upgrade? |
| 12:20.24 | themill | mutable_malachi: is this a local machine? i.e. how problematic is it if things go wrong? |
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| 12:21.08 | mutable_malachi | themill: it's a local machine with a crypt'd disk and I'm concerned about sysv-rc - it also complains that migration to the new boot system isn't complete. I don't think either will be a problem though. |
| 12:21.51 | mutable_malachi | babilen: the new kernel downloads but does not install. udev's complaint stops the process. |
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| 12:22.10 | mutable_malachi | babilen: I think I'm going to force installation of udev by disabling the kernel check. |
| 12:22.27 | themill | mutable_malachi: that can leave you without network access (hence asking if it's a local machine) |
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| 12:23.14 | mutable_malachi | themill: ah - it is a local machine, but it's my only local machine, so I might have a hard time getting back on IRC if it fails. |
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| 12:24.01 | themill | mutable_malachi: the other option is to use dpkg -i on the linux-image*.deb and then reboot, and have aptitude pick up from where it was (aptitude -f install). Neither is an elegant solution |
| 12:24.37 | mutable_malachi | themill: I like yours better. |
| 12:25.35 | themill | doesn't like how fragile this part of the upgrade is |
| 12:25.51 | mutable_malachi | I know. |
| 12:26.22 | themill | At least now squeeze's udev likes the version string of squeeze's kernel. That's at least one improvement. |
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| 12:26.40 | mutable_malachi | Do you have logs of this channel? It would help me write a bug report for this. |
| 12:26.58 | mutable_malachi | Assuming there's not one already. |
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| 12:28.11 | mutable_malachi | Actually just my one pastebin should be enough. |
| 12:28.42 | themill | There's more than enough bugs in udev... but I can't find that one. The problem is writing it up in such a way that doesn't get written of by Md as being a local configuration issue (PEBKAC) rather than a problem with the robustness of the upgrade. |
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| 12:29.24 | mutable_malachi | themill: Md? |
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| 12:29.43 | themill | mutable_malachi: the maintiner of udev. |
| 12:29.46 | mutable_malachi | Ah. |
| 12:30.12 | mutable_malachi | Well, maybe it could be filed under something else? |
| 12:30.15 | lbarth | Hello, i have a compilter / linker bug where i need anyone to look at |
| 12:30.47 | mutable_malachi | themill: anyhow, continue this discussion with you in just a minute. =) |
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| 12:34.39 | wrealcon | can anyone tell me where I can switch fonts in debian lenny ? I need polish characters :D |
| 12:35.23 | wrealcon | and second... I have installed compiz with emerald... and now shortcut <ctrl><alt> <arrow> rotates cube |
| 12:35.35 | TeXnicer | wrealcon: in console or X? |
| 12:35.36 | wrealcon | but I need old shortcut to change work desktop |
| 12:35.40 | wrealcon | X |
| 12:35.45 | TeXnicer | setxkbd? |
| 12:35.49 | wrealcon | I;m newbie :) so only X is for me :) |
| 12:35.57 | TeXnicer | but make sure you *KNOW* how to change back |
| 12:35.58 | TeXnicer | ,pl |
| 12:36.46 | wrealcon | thanx :) works :D is it changed permanently or need to insert that to some auto-start script ? perhaps some file to edit ? |
| 12:36.59 | TeXnicer | wrealcon: there are specialised polish speaking Linux groups |
| 12:37.05 | TeXnicer | hm ... |
| 12:37.24 | TeXnicer | maybe a bootoption? keyb=pl or something (not sure!) |
| 12:37.39 | wrealcon | ok, will search that |
| 12:37.43 | TeXnicer | there is of course an .init |
| 12:37.46 | TeXnicer | for X |
| 12:37.51 | TeXnicer | that is where I would place it |
| 12:37.56 | TeXnicer | i might be wrong |
| 12:38.15 | wrealcon | what about that shortcut for switchichg work desktop ? |
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| 12:38.30 | wrealcon | is there any file descriping shortcuts ? |
| 12:38.43 | wrealcon | because I cannot find it in System->pref->keyboard short. |
| 12:39.12 | wrealcon | and in compiz there is no command for changing work desktop |
| 12:39.23 | wrealcon | or I cannot find it :/ |
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| 12:40.11 | TeXnicer | wrealcon: sorry I work on P3/333 I have no "compiz - cubish - desktop -background" |
| 12:40.20 | TeXnicer | I use fluxbox and one bg image |
| 12:40.23 | TeXnicer | ^^ |
| 12:42.16 | wrealcon | TeXnicer: where did You find such nice machine ? |
| 12:42.38 | TeXnicer | I cannot afford more |
| 12:42.44 | TeXnicer | 15EUR Notebook |
| 12:42.45 | babilen | wrealcon: You should be able to change your keymap from within gnome using gnome-keyboard-properties -> Layout - Or use "setxkbmap -layout "pl |
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| 12:43.06 | malachi_constant | Whoo. Okay. In squeeze. My tty is all ugly and flashing though, I wonder why? |
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| 12:43.34 | babilen | wrealcon: I am not sure which fonts you need to install, but polish characters should be part of almost any fonts IMHO. You could also ask in #debian.pl to get specific help |
| 12:43.45 | themill | malachi_constant: yay! you did the rest of the aptitude full-upgrade etc to get it done? |
| 12:43.55 | malachi_constant | themill: in the process now. :) |
| 12:44.11 | babilen | malachi_constant: Have you already booted into the new kernel and upgraded udev? |
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| 12:44.47 | babilen | wrealcon: thats 'setxkbmap -layout "pl"' btw |
| 12:45.18 | wrealcon | babilen: I have written that in console and I have polish characters :) |
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| 12:45.57 | wrealcon | TeXnicer: what is fluxbox ? |
| 12:46.03 | babilen | wrealcon: OK - I would still change the keymap using gnome-keyboard-properties -> Layout |
| 12:46.16 | malachi_constant | babilen: I am in the new kernel. I'm running safe-upgrade now and then I'm doing full-upgrade. Should get udev. |
| 12:46.19 | wrealcon | ok, I will :) |
| 12:46.24 | babilen | wrealcon: A lightweight window manager |
| 12:47.13 | babilen | wrealcon: you can find the keyboard preferences in the control center as well (it's the same program) |
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| 12:49.03 | wrealcon | must go.. be by 30min |
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| 12:56.10 | andrew1618 | how would lenny perform on a 800mhz p3, 192mb ram |
| 12:56.17 | andrew1618 | with gnome |
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| 12:57.49 | babilen | try it. I would use a leighwheight window manager though. YMMV |
| 12:58.21 | babilen | Or no X at all |
| 12:59.17 | andrew1618 | I tried openbsd on it and it was rather slow |
| 12:59.30 | andrew1618 | how come the linux kernel is so demanding? |
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| 13:00.53 | malachi_constant | andrew1618: the kernel itself isn't really that demanding afaik. What suggests this to you? |
| 13:01.29 | malachi_constant | babilen: is there a good framebuffer browser solution yet? |
| 13:02.21 | TeXnicer | andrew1618: I use fluxbox and everything works fine |
| 13:02.59 | TeXnicer | youtube isnt the one you want to have then, but audacious (mp3) works, octave, maxima, evince/iceweasel, emacs, texmaker, latex... |
| 13:05.23 | babilen | malachi_constant: There is netsurf-linuxfb |
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| 13:06.44 | TeXnicer | http://www.google.de/search?q=fluxbox&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a |
| 13:06.50 | TeXnicer | , What is fluxbox |
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| 13:07.32 | babilen | fluxbox is great - was my wm of choice until i switched to tiled ones |
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| 13:15.40 | xyan | hey all, how can i pin packages built with dpkg-buildpackage i cant find the appropriate setting in man apt_preferences |
| 13:16.09 | wrealcon | back :) |
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| 13:16.45 | wrealcon | tell, do You use console for everything, or GUI app version ? |
| 13:18.06 | babilen | Depends :) |
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| 13:18.52 | wrealcon | I see :) |
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| 13:19.16 | malachi_constant | wrealcon: personally, I use the console for file management and irc, and then GUI for most else. |
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| 13:19.59 | malachi_constant | If I could get a good IM client and then a good browser/RSS reader on CLI though I'd be set. |
| 13:20.34 | iceroot | malachi_constant: bitlbee + irssi for im |
| 13:20.38 | babilen | wrealcon: Console for IRC/IM/email/programming/sound here ... |
| 13:20.46 | babilen | iceroot: exactly :) |
| 13:20.54 | iceroot | babilen: best solution ever |
| 13:21.40 | wrealcon | console for irc ?hmm.... |
| 13:22.01 | wrealcon | ooo... I would like play with email in console... |
| 13:22.15 | xyan | <3 mutt |
| 13:22.16 | malachi_constant | iceroot: my friends and I use OTR and my client doesn't support it in a way that's not clunky. |
| 13:22.21 | wrealcon | have You any nice link for configuration site for mail in debian ? :D |
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| 13:22.53 | babilen | wrealcon: Just use getmail/fetchmail + procmail + mutt |
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| 13:23.07 | babilen | plenty of documentation on the internets |
| 13:23.18 | babilen | wrealcon: ah + exim4 smarthost |
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| 13:24.56 | babilen | wrealcon: and you really want irssi |
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| 13:26.19 | jelly-hme | an irc client without nice proportional fonts? pfft |
| 13:26.55 | wrealcon | babilen: ah + exim4 smarthost is for email, right ? |
| 13:27.06 | iceroot | malachi_constant: never heard of otr |
| 13:27.06 | wrealcon | and irssi is... irc ? :D |
| 13:27.10 | iceroot | wrealcon: yes |
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| 13:27.22 | iceroot | wrealcon: an irc-client (of the future) |
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| 13:35.06 | wrealcon | ok, I have package exim4 (-base/config/deamon-light/doc-info) |
| 13:35.18 | wrealcon | but this "ah"... what is that ? |
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| 13:36.53 | alreadygone | hi, debian was installed using the netinstall cd. I only installed XFCE. Now, the fonts of websites don't look nice. What is the name of a fonts package I need to install? |
| 13:38.09 | xyan | alreadygone: most likely msttcorefonts, the microsoft stuff like verdana etc, there are lookalike replacements like ttf-liberation / ttf-bitstream |
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| 13:38.26 | alreadygone | thanks xyan |
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| 13:40.32 | alreadygone | xyan, aptitude install msttcorefonts says No candidate version found for msttcorefonts |
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| 13:41.44 | xyan | alreadygone: dont know the state of this package in stable (running sid) try ttf-mscorefonts-installer maybe? its in contrib btw |
| 13:41.59 | alreadygone | thanks |
| 13:42.00 | babilen | alreadygone: They are in contrib in the package ttf-mscorefonts-installer - I would still try ttf-liberation (the fonts in there are good) |
| 13:42.13 | alreadygone | thanks babilen :) |
| 13:42.40 | babilen | should be in lenny ... |
| 13:42.44 | babilen | ,versions ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 13:42.46 | judd | ttf-mscorefonts-installer -- lenny/contrib: 2.7; sid/contrib: 3.2; squeeze/contrib: 3.2 |
| 13:42.55 | alreadygone | yes it's downloading now.. thank you very much |
| 13:43.07 | babilen | have fun |
| 13:43.14 | alreadygone | :) |
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| 13:44.29 | nvz | sometimes I think I should alias "screen 0r", I make that typo all the f'n time |
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| 13:45.06 | babilen | nvz: yeah - hehe |
| 13:45.23 | babilen | nvz: Or just alias it "scr" |
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| 13:54.20 | th1_ | hi |
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| 13:55.00 | nvz | th1_: na, stayin low this morning. |
| 13:55.01 | th1_ | I got lenny trying to install a backports.org kernel image (tried 2.6.30 and 2.6.32) but the kernel-headers packages have unresolved dependencies to linux-kbuild-VERSION which are virtual packages? |
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| 13:56.48 | nvz | th1_: use -d to download only, then --force-depends with dpkg to install it |
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| 13:57.01 | rocketmagnet | hi all, where do i find the gnome automount settings / documentation ? i get an error like "wrong mount options" when i plug in my new external hd (usb). i want to learn how this stuff works but don't know which functions/man pages i've to read (debian with gnome) |
| 13:57.11 | th1_ | nvz, and it will still have all the right headers to build other stuff that needs the kernel sources? |
| 13:57.24 | th1_ | I need to build dvb modules out-of-tree |
| 13:57.53 | nvz | th1_: first of all you don't need the kernel sources or you would be installing those and not the headers, 2ndly, anything that needs to build a module will find what its looking for |
| 13:57.55 | granquet | hi, I'm trying to update slapd and I get this from the postinstall: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/185497/ ; any idea where to start from? |
| 13:58.05 | nvz | th1_: if not, you come back and ask another question |
| 13:58.17 | wrealcon | I've look at exim4 doc... why is it so hard :/ |
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| 13:59.06 | nvz | rocketmagnet: I'm a tad curious about that myself.. but I know how to work around those annoying issues manually.. which is why I never found an answer to that question |
| 13:59.15 | titan8990 | wrealcon: SMTP is inherrently complex... and also inherrently insecure so I a lot of things are added security wise that increase that complexity |
| 13:59.33 | abrotman | granquet: upgrade you mean? from what version to what version? (apt-cache policy slapd) |
| 13:59.41 | titan8990 | wrealcon: don't let the "S" (simple) fool you |
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| 14:00.06 | granquet | abrotman: yes, upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 14:00.32 | nvz | rocketmagnet: there is the System > Preferences > Removable drives and media thing |
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| 14:00.54 | abrotman | granquet: i take it you've heavily modified the schema and the slapd.conf ? |
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| 14:01.24 | granquet | abrotman: probably, it's running since 5 years :o I'm kinda new on that 'server' :D |
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| 14:01.34 | titan8990 | th1_: your saying the kernel headers package from backports as unmet depends? can you paste the output? |
| 14:02.02 | abrotman | granquet: you might get more help from the LDAP channel understanding the errors. But until you get those fixed, I don't think the upgrade can continue |
| 14:02.22 | granquet | abrotman: alright, I already joined #ldap ;) |
| 14:02.23 | th1_ | titan8990, http://pastebin.ca/1822594 |
| 14:02.47 | nvz | rocketmagnet: your question however has inspired me to find the actual answer: gconf-editor /system/storage/default_options |
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| 14:04.03 | nonameNN | hello... is there any web like suse studio but for debian? |
| 14:04.47 | nvz | nonameNN: "web" ? |
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| 14:05.03 | nonameNN | nvz: u know what im talking about? |
| 14:05.15 | abrotman | nonameNN: no, tell us what it does |
| 14:05.39 | nonameNN | check it out... open firefox and type suse studio |
| 14:05.52 | nvz | seems to be a toolkit for building software appliances through a web interface |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | how about you just tell us |
| 14:05.53 | nonameNN | it lest u build your own "suse" |
| 14:06.00 | abrotman | !cdd |
| 14:06.00 | dpkg | [cdd] Debian Pure Blend (aka Blend, formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:06.19 | th1_ | titan8990, does that make any sense to you? |
| 14:06.36 | nonameNN | it lets you create your own iso |
| 14:06.43 | nonameNN | i find it really usefull |
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| 14:07.07 | abrotman | see the URL above |
| 14:07.36 | nonameNN | it isnt the same... |
| 14:07.41 | rocketmagnet | nvz: how is the part of the system called that does this automount stuff ?? hal ? automount is not found |
| 14:07.52 | nonameNN | what im trying to do is a pure iso with all i need |
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| 14:08.00 | abrotman | maybe you should read the URL above .. |
| 14:08.15 | titan8990 | th1_: yep, appears the depends does not exist |
| 14:08.20 | rdg | will debian stable/lenny require much updating to get e17 running other than installing the e17 packages/libs? or would y'all recommend I upgrade to debian's testing release? (#e wasn't sure, hoping someone here is) |
| 14:08.40 | th1_ | titan8990, so a bug in bpo? |
| 14:08.51 | abrotman | rdg: that depends on the dependencies of the packages? or you're compiling? |
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| 14:09.39 | abrotman | nonameNN: or you can "/msg dpkg custom netinst", or you could just create your own 'package' that depends on all the things you want |
| 14:09.41 | rdg | i'm going to install the packages.. i was just hoping someone in here recently did an e install on top of a relatively clean stable/testing install and could say something along the lines of "it's pretty simple" or "You have to update everything" |
| 14:09.41 | titan8990 | th1_: i would say so, you can use the real kernel sources as a replacement for the headers in most cases |
| 14:09.49 | nvz | rocketmagnet: well in this case its gnome-volume-manager which works on top of hal. Did you not get my message about using gconf-editor? |
| 14:09.55 | rocketmagnet | nvz: where on earth get the drives mounted to ??? /media is not the place and /mnt also not |
| 14:10.01 | titan8990 | abrotman: suse studio is new... and its for rolling "appliances" |
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| 14:10.07 | abrotman | rdg: i thought everyone was waiting for e18? :) |
| 14:10.14 | nvz | rocketmagnet: no, they get mounted to /media/ |
| 14:10.25 | nvz | rocketmagnet: as defined in the FHS |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | titan8990: not the way he described it ... |
| 14:10.31 | rocketmagnet | nvz: i got that message, but i want to understand which processes are involved |
| 14:10.35 | rocketmagnet | FHS is what ? |
| 14:10.40 | th1_ | titan8990, I'll try with the linux-headers packages I downloaded and force-installed to see if they are enough. Otherwise I'll probably jsut compile the kernel from source, the problem is that the machine is quite slow |
| 14:10.41 | nvz | !fhs |
| 14:10.41 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 14:10.41 | titan8990 | !fhs |
| 14:10.47 | nvz | rocketmagnet: ^^ |
| 14:10.48 | rocketmagnet | nvz: has this something to do with udev ? |
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| 14:11.32 | titan8990 | th1_: its already compiled... you just need sources to build modules with |
| 14:11.41 | abrotman | nonameNN: there's also FAI and dphys |
| 14:12.11 | nvz | rocketmagnet: not really. |
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| 14:14.02 | nvz | rocketmagnet: anywhere automagic hardware stuff is involved udev and hal are bound to have SOMETHING to do with it. |
| 14:14.16 | nvz | rocketmagnet: read the manpage for gnome-volume-manager, it will describe the process |
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| 14:15.50 | rocketmagnet | nvz: ty |
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| 14:16.56 | leg- | is coreutils the package containing a lot of libraries and programs that you need to have when installing software on a minimal install like netinstall? |
| 14:17.05 | nvz | rocketmagnet: thank you.. heh. I would still be manually -o remount,uid=1000 my damn thumbdrives if you hadn't asked that question. I never do things for myself, but will do them for other people.. heh |
| 14:17.24 | rocketmagnet | :) |
| 14:17.28 | nvz | now I know that I can just fire up gconf-editor and solve that problem |
| 14:18.06 | rocketmagnet | my drive is only mounted read only, in gconf-editor, the options are the normal 'mount' options (from man mount) ? |
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| 14:18.13 | jelly-hme | leg-: netinstall already has coreutils. |
| 14:18.47 | leg- | ah |
| 14:18.55 | leg- | which package is it then that I mean? |
| 14:19.11 | th1_ | probably dumb question: I installed a debian with debootstrap. what packaages must I install to get it from there to the "standard" system that the normal CD installer would create? things like less etc. are not there by defalt but I think they normally are |
| 14:19.13 | jelly-hme | leg-: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:19.43 | titan8990 | th1_: less is actually not included on any of the cd installation AFAIK |
| 14:19.48 | leg- | jelly: im preparing to install debian netinstall to a system |
| 14:19.51 | titan8990 | th1_: maybe part of the desktop task |
| 14:20.08 | leg- | trying to make a 'list of core packages' I need to install after fresh install |
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| 14:20.16 | th1_ | ok maybe it does have the same set of packages then.. I don't want desktop on that machine, it's for a mythtv slave backend |
| 14:20.25 | th1_ | just upgraded it from ubuntu with debootstrap |
| 14:20.25 | jelly-hme | leg-: I mean, why are you asking this? What will the system be used for? |
| 14:20.32 | titan8990 | th1_: you install the packages you want... you basically have a netinst after debootstrap |
| 14:20.34 | leg- | both server and desktop |
| 14:20.41 | nvz | rocketmagnet: read only is due to the gnome-volume-manager mounting the devices as root, and them having vfat on them and it owning the files as root. adding uid= and gid= options for vfat in gconf-editor would solve that |
| 14:20.42 | titan8990 | th1_: maybe your looking for `tasksel`? |
| 14:21.02 | th1_ | titan8990, nah but I guess you are right there is no need to install cruft I don't need so I'll just install those I bump into .. |
| 14:21.32 | jelly-hme | leg-: server for what? Desktop for what kinds of users? Samba? NFS? Web? Printing? Development (which languages)? |
| 14:21.42 | leg- | jelly you dont get my question |
| 14:21.46 | th1_ | I just thought less was in by default and that's why something had to be missing :) |
| 14:21.49 | nvz | rocketmagnet: with normal POSIX style FSs the files would be owned by whoever they are owned by regardless of who mounted the FS, but for shitty FS like FAT which don't have POSIX permissions, they have to be specified at mount time. |
| 14:21.51 | jelly-hme | no, I obviously don't |
| 14:21.53 | leg- | I know what packages I want to use and install once the system has been up... |
| 14:22.07 | titan8990 | th1_: nope, "more" is the default |
| 14:22.08 | leg- | I just recall when compiling software on my own that it complains and quits with errors |
| 14:22.21 | leg- | there is some 'core' package with libraries and / or compilers that fixes most of those |
| 14:22.31 | leg- | but I dont remember the name |
| 14:22.36 | titan8990 | leg-: build-essentials |
| 14:22.38 | leg- | yes |
| 14:22.39 | jelly-hme | leg-: so you want to compile something, in other words, build software from source? Which language? |
| 14:22.41 | leg- | thank you titan8990 |
| 14:22.55 | titan8990 | leg-: that is far from what coreutils is |
| 14:23.03 | th1_ | leg-, build-essential? |
| 14:23.04 | jelly-hme | leg-: build-essential is useful for C. |
| 14:23.18 | leg- | bbl...going to start the install |
| 14:23.23 | leg- | thanks for the help guys |
| 14:23.23 | th1_ | leg-, another great one is if there is already a package for what you want to build, then "apt-get build-dep packagename" |
| 14:23.32 | th1_ | will install the packages you need to build packagename from source |
| 14:23.35 | titan8990 | jelly-hme: a variety of languages use makefiles, autoconf, and that kind of thing that is included |
| 14:24.12 | titan8990 | but yeah, compiler is only useful for c/c++ |
| 14:24.32 | titan8990 | doesn't think it comes with the fotran and java gcc |
| 14:25.00 | abrotman | mm .. fotran |
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| 14:25.57 | jelly-hme | Dear pulseaudio library, please stop SIGBUSing after upgrade. |
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| 14:26.23 | th1_ | jelly-hme, tried the windows solution? |
| 14:26.54 | project2501a | Dear pulseaudio library, please stop taking the piss and go into code maturity already. a nice formatted book of what you can do, oreilly or pragmatic programmers style would be really handy, as well. |
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| 14:27.16 | project2501a | hey guys, is there a "retry if you get a timeout" option for rsync? |
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| 14:27.44 | jelly-hme | th1_: I never try the windows solution. |
| 14:27.52 | rocketmagnet | nvz: thanks for your support |
| 14:27.57 | jelly-hme | th1_: ... except on Windows |
| 14:28.03 | th1_ | jelly-hme, maybe just kill everything that has something with pulse in its name |
| 14:28.54 | jelly-hme | th1_: I appreciate getting nontrivial suggestions that a sane monkey would think of by themselves! |
| 14:29.06 | jelly-hme | however, this was not it |
| 14:29.20 | th1_ | maybe it uses shm |
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| 14:30.07 | jelly-hme | it does. It creates or uses a previously created 64MB file in /tmp, mmaps it and SIGBUSes |
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| 14:30.31 | th1_ | does it have stuff in /dev/shm? |
| 14:30.35 | lmaowaffle | hi guys, is there a way to modify group to 'video' for use of graphical browser at console? atm the perms are: crw-rw---- 1 root root 4, 0 Mar 5 2010 /dev/tty0 |
| 14:30.42 | lmaowaffle | and to make the changes stick? |
| 14:30.45 | luffha | what's a good linux forum for asking questions? |
| 14:31.11 | macrobat | forums.debian.net |
| 14:31.23 | project2501a | um |
| 14:31.32 | project2501a | graphical browser at console? |
| 14:31.34 | project2501a | wtf? |
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| 14:31.40 | jelly-hme | th1_: or right, /dev/shm. s,/tmp,/dev/shm, in my previous explanation. Removing the file after killing the service and any processes doesn't help. |
| 14:31.43 | project2501a | opera over libcaca/ |
| 14:31.46 | lmaowaffle | something like links -g (using framebuffer) |
| 14:31.56 | jelly-hme | project2501a: framebuffer console. |
| 14:32.06 | project2501a | jelly-hme: newstome |
| 14:32.14 | macrobat | yes, with KMS you can surf pr0n in the framebuffer |
| 14:32.17 | jelly-hme | project2501a: welcome to 1998! |
| 14:32.25 | lmaowaffle | macrobat: that's the idea |
| 14:32.27 | project2501a | I DIDNT GET THE MEMO |
| 14:32.36 | jelly-hme | project2501a: need to know basis |
| 14:32.50 | lmaowaffle | so, would i need to muck about with udev rules? |
| 14:32.50 | project2501a | jelly-hme: i was filling my tps reports |
| 14:33.12 | project2501a | hey guys, is there a "retry if you get a timeout" option for rsync? |
| 14:33.27 | th1_ | jelly-hme, i'm not sure if rm'ing the files from /dev/shm actually removes the shared object from the kernel |
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| 14:34.21 | jelly-hme | th1_: /dev/shm has nothing to do with IPC shm. |
| 14:34.36 | jelly-hme | th1_: and yes I looked at ipcs, too |
| 14:34.48 | th1_ | jelly-hme, according to shm_overview(7) it does |
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| 14:35.15 | th1_ | and if I create an SHM object with shm_open it does appear there too |
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| 14:36.26 | jelly-hme | th1_: yes...? |
| 14:36.51 | th1_ | all that I'm not sure of is if rm'ing the file from /dev/shm also removes the shared object from the kernel |
| 14:36.55 | th1_ | it probably does but I'm not sure |
| 14:37.05 | leg- | im trying to install debian from a usb pendrive but it fails, it keeps on whining about a cdrom location |
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| 14:37.27 | leg- | I used UNetbootin with debian-504-i386-netinst.iso, what gives? |
| 14:37.58 | abrotman | !tell leg- about usb install |
| 14:37.59 | jelly-hme | th1_: /dev/shm seems to be the backend for that API, afaict. I never looked into it. If it's a file not opened by any running process, it'd be gone forever |
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| 14:39.42 | leg- | ah it seems I need a different iso |
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| 14:41.13 | leg- | the mainsite is redirecting me to http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 14:41.21 | leg- | which file should I chose there for a pendrive install? |
| 14:41.27 | project2501a | holly shit |
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| 14:41.40 | leg- | the 3 files from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/? |
| 14:42.38 | jhutchins_lt | leg-: Have you read the install guide? |
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| 14:44.37 | leg- | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST figures |
| 14:44.48 | ukl | Hello. I feel like aptitude has forgotten some dependencies -- like, "this package was installed because another one needed it" -- I kind of see lots of packages that have been pulled as a dep but aren't marked with "i A" -- How could this have happened? |
| 14:45.14 | Stereo | ukl: you mean they're still installed but not marked as automatically installed? |
| 14:45.25 | Stereo | ukl: you can (un)mark them manually |
| 14:45.25 | ukl | Stereo: yes, indeed |
| 14:45.26 | th1_ | ukl, did you use any other package managers? |
| 14:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't that what "A" means? |
| 14:45.35 | Stereo | th1_: the base install does that too |
| 14:45.41 | Stereo | jhutchins_lt: yeah |
| 14:45.48 | ukl | th1_: aptitude only |
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| 14:46.40 | Stereo | ukl: try this maybe : aptitude markauto '~i!~M!~nbuild-essential(~E|~prequired|~sdevel|~sinterpreters|~slibdevel|~slibs|~soldlibs|~sperl|~spython|~sshells)' |
| 14:47.00 | ukl | Stereo: maybe? what will that do? |
| 14:47.02 | Stereo | then aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 14:47.43 | Stereo | it will mark a lot of packages as automatically installed, and if some seem unneeded, ask you whether you want to uninstall them |
| 14:48.03 | Stereo | you can cancel, or accept the change |
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| 14:48.12 | ukl | thanks. I'll do this. Any idea how the situation was caused? |
| 14:49.19 | Stereo | the initial install, or someone using apt-get, or someone using aptitude unmarkauto, or someone using the aptitude gui and typing m |
| 14:49.41 | ukl | hmm weird. ok. thanks for the hint. |
| 14:50.02 | Stereo | and the second command will show you which packages are installed but not marked as automatic |
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| 14:52.01 | Stereo | so if that last command shows you something you don't explicitly need, you can aptitude markauto foo |
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| 14:57.23 | yoni_ | hi! could somebody say me how can I apply a patch for the http://bugs.debian.org, please?? |
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| 14:58.31 | titan8990 | yoni_: man patch would be a start |
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| 14:59.38 | macrobat | yoni_: you mean you have made a patch? and you would like to give it to the package maintainer? |
| 14:59.50 | cyberbrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.32 | yoni_ | macrobat, I mean I've downloaded a .diff file and I wanto to apply it |
| 15:00.51 | macrobat | ok, then man patch :) |
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| 15:01.06 | yoni_ | ok I'll try |
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| 15:01.57 | yoda12 | is there any way to save images from http packet into a directory with wireshark please ? |
| 15:02.09 | jhutchins_lt | yoni_: You'll need to download the source for the package, apply the patch, then build a new .deb |
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| 15:04.37 | yoni_ | is a patch for a config file for grub 2 |
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| 15:05.44 | yoni_ | I'm executing 'patch /etc/default/grub patchfile.diff' but it doesn't work it says again 'patch file: ' |
| 15:05.47 | yoni_ | :S |
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| 15:06.48 | leg- | ok ive read the install manual but I cant figure out what to do with boot.img.gz initrd.gz and vmlinuz to get a working usb pendrive to install debian from |
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| 15:09.35 | titan8990 | leg-: are you reading the section for installing from a usb? |
| 15:09.42 | leg- | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 15:10.55 | leg- | If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy a Debian ISO image (businesscard, netinst or full CD image; be sure to select one that fits) onto the stick. |
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| 15:11.27 | leg- | this means I should copy debian-504-i386-netinst.iso as a iso file to the root of the stick right? and not unpack |
| 15:11.53 | simonrvn | yes, do not unpack that |
| 15:11.57 | leg- | ok |
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| 15:14.20 | chaochao | copying a .iso as a file should not help.. |
| 15:14.29 | chaochao | the stick needs a valid mbr to boot from |
| 15:14.49 | simonrvn | the hd-media installer looks for an iso |
| 15:15.09 | chaochao | didnt scroll up, sorry. |
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| 15:34.57 | itsx | hi folks - i have mounted: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdc1/ /media/usbdrive/ |
| 15:35.28 | itsx | i thought that -t ntfs-3g is not mandatory anymore ... |
| 15:36.07 | jhutchins_lt | I would expect a USB drive to be vfat |
| 15:36.26 | malachi_constant | themill: btw, xdm seems not to be working since my original safe-upgrade, any idea why? |
| 15:37.12 | itsx | jhutchins_lt: /dev/sdc1 * 1 14593 117218241 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 15:38.12 | itsx | i am just confuse cause i thought i have mounted without that flag on lenny without problem ... |
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| 15:39.52 | malachi_constant | Yeow. |
| 15:39.56 | malachi_constant | Anyone else use debian.yorku.ca? |
| 15:40.08 | malachi_constant | It's really fast...when it works. At the moment it's not working. |
| 15:40.28 | malachi_constant | Or rather I get 800B/s deadeningly slow. |
| 15:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | itsx: ntfs3g has been superceeded by ntfsmount from ntfsprogs, but it still works. |
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| 15:41.24 | malachi_constant | Whatever happened to captive-nfts? |
| 15:41.27 | malachi_constant | Is it still around? |
| 15:41.49 | jelly-hme | malachi_constant: it's dead. |
| 15:41.56 | malachi_constant | Ahh. |
| 15:42.06 | jelly-hme | also, ntfs-3g just had a release |
| 15:42.10 | malachi_constant | I'm stuck on the CLI for the time being guys, can someone give me the URL of a reliable HTTP mirror? |
| 15:42.15 | jelly-hme | judd: versions ntfs-3g |
| 15:42.17 | judd | ntfs-3g -- etch-backports: 1:1.2531-1.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1; sid: 1:2010.1.16-0.1; squeeze: 1:2010.1.16-0.1 |
| 15:42.20 | malachi_constant | http://debian.yorku.ca is dying on my. |
| 15:42.23 | malachi_constant | on me* |
| 15:42.52 | jelly-hme | malachi_constant: ftp.COUNTRY.debian.org? |
| 15:43.09 | jelly-hme | where COUNTRY could be ca or us or something |
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| 15:44.27 | malachi_constant | jelly-hme: works. I should have already had that one, in a backup sources.list or somesuch. :) |
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| 15:46.44 | itsx | jhutchins_lt: thx - i see - is there any really good reason to mount via ntfsmount ? |
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| 15:47.43 | gusnan | Will a Intel i3 work fine with current Debian Stable? |
| 15:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | itsx: It's newer and presumably cleaner. |
| 15:48.03 | malachi_constant | Ooof. |
| 15:48.05 | itsx | jhutchins_lt: ok thx :) |
| 15:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | gusnan: i3? |
| 15:48.18 | malachi_constant | xdm is supposedly running but I have no idea what console it's on. |
| 15:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | doesn't mess with ntfs any more. |
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| 15:48.48 | gusnan | jhutchins, oh, sorry - Intel i3 530 Clarkdale |
| 15:48.56 | gusnan | See http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_corei3_530&num=1 |
| 15:49.00 | gusnan | (for example) |
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| 15:52.01 | NoReflex | hey guys! any idea how I could get the name for a CD? I inserted it and mounted to /mnt/cdrom and I can see the files...but I don't know how to get the name (title) of the CD.. |
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| 15:53.30 | jhutchins_lt | gusnan: Not sure if the stable kernel would handle the required chipsets, but it looks like 2.6.32 would handle it. |
| 15:53.55 | nvz | NoReflex: man volname |
| 15:54.03 | gusnan | jhutchins_lt, |
| 15:54.05 | gusnan | thanks |
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| 15:54.38 | NoReflex | nvz: thanks |
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| 15:55.00 | toolz | how do I update libc-2.7.so ? |
| 15:55.04 | nvz | NoReflex: no problem. I like when people ask questions I don't know the answer to ;) |
| 15:55.33 | nvz | especially when I find the answer to them |
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| 15:55.57 | obiwan_ | hi guys, please anybody knows wheter apt uses its own fetch program or wget or something to fecth files? |
| 15:56.12 | obiwan_ | i mean deb binaries |
| 15:56.51 | NoReflex | nvz: well... you could tell me about SSD TRIM support in LINUX...and ssd trim in general :) |
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| 15:58.08 | malachi_constant | (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (2) |
| 15:58.08 | malachi_constant | (EE) Failed to load module "dri" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 15:58.08 | malachi_constant | (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 15:58.08 | malachi_constant | (EE) No drivers available. |
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| 15:58.20 | malachi_constant | Oops. |
| 15:58.21 | titan8990 | obiwan_: none of apt's depends appear to be a file-fetching app |
| 15:58.39 | malachi_constant | Can anyone tell me what that means though? X is not starting. |
| 15:58.50 | titan8990 | malachi_constant: what version of debian? |
| 15:58.56 | tdn | I have a machine with two network adapters: an ethernet adapter and a wireless adapter. How can I turn the wireless adapter into an access point? |
| 15:59.00 | malachi_constant | titan8990: recent update to Squeeze/testing. |
| 15:59.11 | malachi_constant | titan8990: in the process of doing a full-upgrade now actually. |
| 15:59.13 | ukwiz | I am trying to set up subversion on lenny using apache, but am a little confused as to how to set up the apache conf. I need to put a couple of modules in - dav.svn_module and authz.svn_module. Where do I put the directives? |
| 15:59.34 | toolz | anyone? |
| 15:59.36 | jelly-hme | malachi_constant: use "radeon" as driver name if that's what you have. |
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| 15:59.46 | f00bar80 | is there any way/guide to install usb-modeswitch on lenny ? , i tried some different ways but seems to be something wrong with the udev version |
| 15:59.47 | titan8990 | malachi_constant: ati driver is the new radeon driver, looks like you don't have it |
| 15:59.48 | Stereo | obiwan_: aptitude and apt-get fetch the packages themselves |
| 15:59.57 | f00bar80 | i did use the sid package and there was a udev issue, when i used dpkg -i , got => usb-modeswitch-data depends on udev (>=0.140-1) | not+linux-gnu; however: version of udev on system is 0.125-7+lenny3. Package not+linux-gnu is not install |
| 15:59.59 | malachi_constant | jelly-hme: it is, but I don't know what it should look like in the xorg.conf. |
| 16:00.06 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
| 16:00.08 | malachi_constant | Maybe I'll try browsing with w4m and get it. |
| 16:00.37 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell malachi_constant about xorg config squeeze |
| 16:01.13 | malachi_constant | Thanks. :) |
| 16:02.12 | titan8990 | although, a xorg.conf should not be required at all |
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| 16:02.55 | candyban | Hi all |
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| 16:03.56 | obiwan_ | wow titan8990 thanks i never thought of looking file depends on apt :P |
| 16:04.04 | obiwan_ | ok Stereo thanks you too :) |
| 16:04.18 | wols | !tell tdn about hostapd |
| 16:04.44 | titan8990 | obiwan_: anytime |
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| 16:05.28 | candyban | anyone an idea why 'cat file | uuencode somename | mailx -r blah@mydomain -s "subject" me@mydomain' won't work as advertised? (I'm using nail) ... the content of the mail contains the base64 rather than an attachment |
| 16:05.35 | candyban | on lenny |
| 16:06.11 | toolz | how do I update libc-2.7? |
| 16:06.15 | toolz | is there any way to do it? |
| 16:06.20 | wols | toolz: what for? |
| 16:06.21 | obiwan_ | :) |
| 16:06.31 | titan8990 | toolz: libc should only be upgraded when moving to a new release |
| 16:06.47 | toolz | I get errors with it |
| 16:06.50 | toolz | in messages and syslog |
| 16:06.59 | obiwan_ | toolz: you can upgrade apt, so it'll fetch the lastest, or remove + install old so it'll fetch latest 2.7 |
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| 16:07.04 | titan8990 | toolz: pastebin |
| 16:07.18 | wols | toolz: as titan8990 said |
| 16:07.44 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/P3GBsdUW |
| 16:08.50 | itsx | toolz: i have done it for one or two times - but mess my system a bit ... :) |
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| 16:09.13 | wols | toolz: hlds_i686 is what? |
| 16:09.19 | toolz | a game server |
| 16:09.22 | toolz | valve |
| 16:09.34 | wols | 99%, it's not libc to blame but your gameserver. some shitty, fast written closed source POS |
| 16:09.52 | wols | it just shows up with libc. |
| 16:10.05 | toolz | on other os-es |
| 16:10.06 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
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| 16:10.08 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 16:10.13 | toolz | with different libc |
| 16:10.15 | toolz | works fine |
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| 16:13.38 | malachi_constant | Holy crap. |
| 16:13.46 | malachi_constant | Okay, that didn't work out. :) |
| 16:14.19 | malachi_constant | I just got a black screen and couldn't get to a console. I unraw'd with a sysrq key and managed to get over here. |
| 16:14.55 | malachi_constant | No x, nothing. |
| 16:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: intel graphics? |
| 16:15.06 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: Radeon X300. |
| 16:15.10 | malachi_constant | PCI. |
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| 16:16.41 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: any ideas? |
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| 16:17.06 | jhutchins_lt | I'd look into the docs for the appropriate radeon driver, make sure my dm wasn't misconfigured. |
| 16:17.14 | malachi_constant | dm? |
| 16:17.18 | wols | malachi_constant: checked your xorg logs? |
| 16:17.18 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: Possibly turn off framebuffer, that's a frequent stumbling block. |
| 16:17.27 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: hmm, how do I turn it off? |
| 16:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: Display manager, variously gdm, kdm, xdm. |
| 16:17.33 | malachi_constant | Ah-ha. |
| 16:17.33 | tnks | I've seen some Mac guys present with a really nice zoom feature, which I assume is part of their accessibility stuff. |
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| 16:17.43 | tnks | is there anything decent for X that does that kind of thing? |
| 16:17.59 | malachi_constant | dpkg: framebuffer |
| 16:17.59 | dpkg | somebody said framebuffer was a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 16:18.19 | tnks | kmag and xzoom seemed a bit clumsy. |
| 16:18.46 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: is that what I'm looking for? |
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| 16:19.03 | malachi_constant | Also I apologize if I don't see some of your messages, this console is all messedup and rendering things funny. |
| 16:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: It's something to try. |
| 16:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: the xorg logs might be useful. |
| 16:19.46 | malachi_constant | I hate xorg. Running linux would be so straightforward if I didn't have to deal with it breaking. |
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| 16:20.38 | malachi_constant | nothing unusual in the logs really. |
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| 16:21.02 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: how do I know whether framebuffer is on? |
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| 16:21.37 | k23z__ | how do I find out what dependencies a package has using just aptitude ? |
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| 16:22.19 | malachi_constant | k23z__: I think 'aptitude show pkgname' would do it. |
| 16:22.24 | titan8990 | k23z__: aptitude show <package> |
| 16:23.18 | obiwan_ | guys another question |
| 16:23.32 | obiwan_ | does anybody know what Hit menans when updating? |
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| 16:24.51 | k23z__ | ah yes .. |
| 16:24.54 | k23z__ | apparently show was good |
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| 16:26.01 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: There's no vga in the kernel command line or anything with 'fb' in lsmod so I assume it's off. |
| 16:26.11 | malachi_constant | But I found something weird in the xdm logs. |
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| 16:26.16 | jareth_ | hi all, is the athk9 driver stable in squeeze? |
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| 16:26.47 | malachi_constant | "module ABI version doesn't match ther server's version" |
| 16:27.00 | malachi_constant | And then it appears to die shortly thereafter. |
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| 16:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: There ya go. |
| 16:27.23 | jareth_ | anyone with experience on using wifi wth athk9 driver on squeeze? |
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| 16:27.28 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: what release/kernel are you running? |
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| 16:27.39 | pozic | jareth_: I think you want the ath5k driver. |
| 16:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: framebuffer is on by default, if you see anything but text at startup that's fb. |
| 16:27.49 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: kernel is .30, release is squeeze, but my upgrade to squeeze isn't complete. |
| 16:27.54 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: oh, I see nothing but text. |
| 16:28.02 | pozic | jareth_: unless you are an expert and know better than me, of course. |
| 16:28.09 | jhutchins_lt | malachi_constant: Still, it's on unless you turned if off. |
| 16:28.17 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: I did, but many many releases ago. |
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| 16:28.28 | jhutchins_lt | "Update to squeeze isn't complete" is EXACTLY what I would expect to cause the problem. |
| 16:28.39 | jareth_ | pozic: thanks! will try that one instead... my lazy ass made me install ubuntu... how stupid of me ;) |
| 16:28.47 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I was under the impression that safe-upgrade would leave xorg working, I guess not. :) |
| 16:28.53 | malachi_constant | Completing it now. |
| 16:29.04 | pozic | jareth_: I also installed Ubuntu. I have been cured already. |
| 16:29.09 | malachi_constant | I guess I should have finished what I started before assuming there was a new problem. :) |
| 16:29.25 | jareth_ | my homeserver is running lenny nicely for months ;) |
| 16:29.30 | pozic | jareth_: they suck beyond belief, but then again most Linux distros do. |
| 16:29.41 | pozic | Most everything* |
| 16:29.48 | jareth_ | now my latest laptop will get squeeze on it, for sure :) |
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| 16:30.32 | k23z__ | how can I compile moc ? |
| 16:30.36 | k23z__ | the music player for console ? |
| 16:30.42 | k23z__ | it uses libmp3_reader |
| 16:30.49 | k23z__ | or some stuff like that , for which I can't find sources anywhere |
| 16:30.52 | jareth_ | i was a fan of arch for some time, but i'm not that motivated anymore to put all the effort into it.. and i like debian 2nd so... |
| 16:30.52 | k23z__ | just a package in the debian repo |
| 16:31.01 | k23z__ | but not the actual sources(which I would like to have) |
| 16:31.04 | adb | !enter |
| 16:31.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:31.05 | k23z__ | what other players for console are there ? |
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| 16:31.14 | k23z__ | adb: :P |
| 16:32.12 | Gnarfoz | so... I get quite some of these messages in syslog when I max out my DSL (pppoe) connection and google is making me turn in circles - anyone know if I should be worried?: kernel: [567763.207934] __ratelimit: 12 messages suppressed |
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| 16:34.02 | jareth_ | k23z__: to name just a few, mpg123, mp3blaster, mpd/mpc etc... |
| 16:34.27 | pozic | What is the shortest path to convert a debian package to something which is in the official repositories? |
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| 16:35.32 | adb | k23z__, vlc-nox |
| 16:35.43 | k23z__ | vlc-nox what is that ?! |
| 16:36.13 | adb | console music |
| 16:37.14 | wols | pozic: nullquestion: a debian package is in the official repositories |
| 16:37.15 | adb | k23z__, apt-cache search vlc |
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| 16:38.23 | pozic | wols: Or you know I just meant a .deb file, which all the Debian tools understand... |
| 16:38.33 | Argafal | after the last update i performed (unstable) my machine boots to text console instead of gdm/X. so what i do now is to log in on console and type 'startx'. works fine. is of course not what i want since someone could change to the console and press CTLR+C.... |
| 16:38.34 | k23z__ | I just say I can write |
| 16:38.39 | k23z__ | aptitude download cmus |
| 16:38.47 | k23z__ | is there something to download its dependencies also ? |
| 16:38.51 | Argafal | gdm is still there. what should i check next to understand the problem, since x starts fine? |
| 16:38.58 | titan8990 | Argafal: yay for unstable! |
| 16:39.01 | k23z__ | I know I could look in /var/cache/apt/archive ... |
| 16:39.11 | k23z__ | but I want aptitude to do it for me, can it ? |
| 16:39.12 | titan8990 | Argafal: sid support is on the BTS |
| 16:39.45 | wols | Argafal: logfiles. use other display managers, etc |
| 16:39.46 | adb | k23z__, aptitude install cmus |
| 16:40.15 | titan8990 | k23z__: aptitude download <package> |
| 16:40.23 | \amethyst | k23z__: aptitude -d install <packagename> |
| 16:41.19 | \amethyst | k23z__: but with -d install they will be downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archive, not the current directory |
| 16:41.39 | k23z__ | lol , well I have 1.1GB of packages in /var... |
| 16:41.42 | k23z__ | maybe I should delete those first |
| 16:41.48 | k23z__ | :D |
| 16:41.49 | k23z__ | thx |
| 16:41.55 | adb | !enter |
| 16:41.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 16:42.31 | k23z__ | adb: can you stop that ? you're irritating me |
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| 16:46.32 | ga_bash | Hello, I am running debian lenny. I am not able to boot from the usb disk even though I select it , the grub loads . Even though I put usb at the top of the priority , its not able to boot and instead it boots off the internal hdd. |
| 16:47.33 | titan8990 | ga_bash: is grub installed to the MBR of the usb disk? |
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| 16:47.51 | ga_bash | titan8990, the usb disk has windows on it. |
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| 16:47.59 | nvz | haha |
| 16:48.08 | ga_bash | titan8990, grub is only in the MBR of the internal HDD |
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| 16:48.51 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ????? |
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| 16:49.04 | nvz | f00bar80: I don't like it.. |
| 16:49.08 | titan8990 | ga_bash: uhh, why are you asking here? |
| 16:49.11 | nvz | f00bar80: what are we commenting on again? |
| 16:49.22 | titan8990 | ga_bash: ##windows |
| 16:49.41 | f00bar80 | is there any way/guide to install usb-modeswitch on lenny ? , i tried some different ways but seems to be something wrong with the udev version |
| 16:49.51 | f00bar80 | i did use the sid package and there was a udev issue, when i used dpkg -i , got => usb-modeswitch-data depends on udev (>=0.140-1) | not+linux-gnu; however: version of udev on system is 0.125-7+lenny3. Package not+linux-gnu is not install |
| 16:49.55 | ga_bash | titan8990, its not about windows, I have tried with squeeze on an external drive and it simply doesnt boot off it. |
| 16:50.04 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: What makes you think you can boot windows from usb? Or that this has anything to do with linux? |
| 16:50.10 | titan8990 | ga_bash: ##hardware |
| 16:50.22 | fahadsadah | Is there a way to remove all packages from a certain repo? |
| 16:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: Some drives don't boot with some bioses. |
| 16:50.45 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: You could check for bios updates. |
| 16:50.50 | ga_bash | jhutchins, my bios supports booting off a usb. but before it does grub takes over. |
| 16:51.09 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: I had three different DVD drives in my last shop, and none of them would always boot with every system we worked on. |
| 16:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: I don't think you understand the process. Grub can only "take over" if the BIOS has passed control to the bootloader on a device. |
| 16:51.39 | titan8990 | ga_bash: so unplug your internal drive if you think its problem. regardless, this is not a debian question |
| 16:51.42 | ga_bash | jhutchins, maybe I should ask #grub then |
| 16:51.50 | nvz | f00bar80: you could try with --force-depends-version |
| 16:52.09 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: No, grub's working fine. It has no way to take control of the bios. |
| 16:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: Your problem is at a hardware level, the bios is not detecting the usb device as bootable. |
| 16:52.36 | nvz | f00bar80: I don't know anything about that issue though. I vaguely know of modeswitch only because I had a EVDO modem that was also a card reader |
| 16:52.37 | ga_bash | jhutchins, yes agreed but the same thing boots off the usb on a machine with same configurations but with windows on internal hdd |
| 16:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: regardless. |
| 16:52.59 | jhutchins_lt | Nothing to do with grub. |
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| 16:53.20 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: Either the bios is not trying to boot from the drive, or it's trying and failing through to the internal. |
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| 16:53.30 | ga_bash | jhutchins, whats it got to do with . I installed debian booting off the usb stick with the netinstall iso |
| 16:53.35 | jhutchins_lt | ga_bash: In either case, you'll only sove it by either updating the bios or fixing the drive. |
| 16:53.35 | Joelio | Anyone else having issues building drbd8 from source (lenny backports) |
| 16:53.46 | f00bar80 | nvz, this is my modem zte mf626 , there's a MicroSD in it |
| 16:54.17 | titan8990 | judd: versions drbd8 |
| 16:54.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'drbd8' was found. |
| 16:54.22 | nvz | f00bar80: yeah, those things are annoying. I seen something else that might work.. was called vmdial or something |
| 16:54.32 | titan8990 | judd: versions drbd8-modules-source |
| 16:54.33 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'drbd8-modules-source' was found. |
| 16:54.52 | ukwiz | can anyone help me install subversion on debian please? |
| 16:55.00 | f00bar80 | nvz, i can use this vmdial without the need for modeswitch |
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| 16:55.16 | titan8990 | Joelio: doesn't look like its available backports. are you using m-a against the drbd8-module-source? |
| 16:55.25 | petemc | ukwiz: aptitude install subversion |
| 16:55.25 | Joelio | it's drbd8-source |
| 16:55.37 | nvz | f00bar80: I'm not even sure what the thing was called.. I forget now, but I it was some verison dialer thing someone hacked that was for these kinds of modems |
| 16:55.54 | f00bar80 | nvz, :( |
| 16:55.58 | ga_bash | jhutchins, or I have another choice to add the entry in menu.lst to boot off the usb disk. I tried it works to some extent and then stops abruptly |
| 16:56.00 | Joelio | titan8990: yes, m-a a-i drbd8 |
| 16:56.09 | nvz | f00bar80: if I were you, I'd insist the damn company give me a modem and not some shitty all in one device |
| 16:56.25 | titan8990 | Joelio: alright, pastebin the build log |
| 16:56.34 | nvz | f00bar80: they are a royal pain in the ass to work with |
| 16:56.48 | f00bar80 | nvz, 'a modem' like ...? what's the difference ? |
| 16:56.52 | titan8990 | nvz: good luck with that... |
| 16:57.10 | nvz | f00bar80: as in just a modem, without the damn card reader in it |
| 16:57.21 | nvz | f00bar80: the UM175 works well |
| 16:57.24 | titan8990 | f00bar80: he means a device that only handles the PPoE link. I couldn't even get one as a business customer |
| 16:57.41 | ukwiz | petemc, done that, but I don't see how to configure apache to allow it to run. most doc suggests that I need to install mod_dav_svn, but I can't find it in the repos |
| 16:57.43 | titan8990 | or maybe I am confused |
| 16:57.50 | nvz | Pantec UM175 works well in linux |
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| 16:58.21 | nvz | titan8990: any company that can't sell you a f'n modem isn't worth paying. |
| 16:58.59 | Joelio | titan8990: http://debian.pastebin.com/XLGur8Fv |
| 16:59.20 | titan8990 | nvz: I aggree.. but I thought you were talking about DSL. EVDO should have a choice, with any provider |
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| 16:59.38 | Joelio | titan8990: May be an upstream bug? |
| 16:59.43 | titan8990 | nvz: AT&T really pushes the option silver devices with the SDCARD, but you ask for them for a different one and you will get it |
| 17:00.14 | nvz | titan8990: I figured we were talking about EVDO as I've never seen a usb device with a sd reader given from a DSL provider |
| 17:00.24 | nvz | I do see them all the time from cell companies though |
| 17:00.32 | titan8990 | Joelio: why don't you have a hostname? |
| 17:00.39 | f00bar80 | titan8990, why |
| 17:00.59 | Joelio | titan8990: Hmm, it's a new build via FAI.. will check |
| 17:01.20 | leg- | I need a graphical environment for a elderly user that only needs to browse and email - because I have limited system resources I thought of installing core KDE...do you guys agree with me on that? |
| 17:01.29 | nvz | they all swear those evdo/microsd things are easier.. suppose to come with the software on them.. but they work like shit even in windows |
| 17:01.42 | Joelio | titan8990: Hmm, I do.. although hostname -f doesn't give me anything.. hostname on it's own does |
| 17:01.46 | wols | limited system ressources and kde/gnome don't mix. how limited? |
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| 17:02.02 | leg- | wols a pentium m 1.78ghz processor and 512mb ram |
| 17:02.04 | titan8990 | Joelio: check /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 17:02.15 | titan8990 | Joelio: my guess is your hostname is missing from hosts file |
| 17:02.23 | f00bar80 | nvz, something like that http://github.com/dottedmag/mf626-helper/tree/debian could be helpful ? |
| 17:02.29 | nvz | leg-: hah, what are you used to, thats not limited resources.. |
| 17:02.41 | Joelio | titan8990: Red herring, set and it still doesn't compile |
| 17:02.59 | leg- | cpu isnt that bad but it could use a memory upgrade...anyhow...what would you advise me nvz? |
| 17:03.05 | nvz | leg-: a full gnome desktop install generally uses about 140mb of ram when booted idle for me.. |
| 17:03.06 | titan8990 | Joelio: you mentioned backports, but that building against the stock lenny kernel. which are you actually using? |
| 17:03.14 | leg- | I used gnome on ubuntu and I didnt like it |
| 17:03.21 | leg- | caused some crashes, was laggy |
| 17:03.30 | Joelio | titan8990: Linux vm01 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 00:59:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:03.56 | Joelio | titan8990: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 17:03.58 | titan8990 | Joelio: it looks like there are binary packages for it, so you don't *have* to build them |
| 17:04.03 | nvz | leg-: its not about what you like, and there isn't going to be the same issues as on ubuntu. |
| 17:04.11 | f00bar80 | nvz, i can't find even a readme file there |
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| 17:04.22 | Joelio | titan8990: Really, I need a fairly recent drbd (for use with ganeti) |
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| 17:04.33 | titan8990 | Joelio: drbd8-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:04.49 | nvz | leg-: choices are XFCE, KDE, LXDE, and GNOME for full desktop environments, KDE is the most resource intensive, LXDE being the least probably, and XFCE being a close 2nd |
| 17:05.05 | titan8990 | Joelio: I would check and see if that would fit your needs. I don't have any ideas on why the build is failing however |
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| 17:05.58 | nvz | leg-: the system specs you gave are plenty for web browsing on any of them really.. its all a matter of what the user would be comfortable with. The user is the factor here, not the hardware |
| 17:06.35 | titan8990 | Joelio: you can try something like `aptitude build-dep drbd8-modules-2.6.26-2-amd64`, to ensure you have needed depends for building |
| 17:06.36 | SerajewelKS | is there another CLI music player besides mpd that can output to an ices server? |
| 17:06.50 | titan8990 | Joelio: but m-a *should* handle that |
| 17:07.02 | Joelio | titan8990: Will try.. I've done this a few times before with no issues.. although not for a few weeks |
| 17:07.10 | leg- | yes, but I am the system admin that needs to install and do remote maintenance...so what should be the most stable and use the less amount of ram? |
| 17:07.12 | btnz | hi, is there a way to display information about when a package was created? apt-cache show doesn't seem to do it.. |
| 17:07.35 | Joelio | titan8990: Might try testing, just in case.. |
| 17:08.22 | f00bar80 | nvz, any comment ? |
| 17:08.30 | titan8990 | Joelio: I would not recommend that for a production machine of any kind |
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| 17:08.56 | nvz | f00bar80: the thing just finally loaded for me |
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| 17:08.57 | titan8990 | Joelio: I personally would choose a different distro than run squeeze on production (if lenny did not fit my needs) |
| 17:09.11 | reeeeeesty | how would i switch my nic from my internal pci to my usb fob? |
| 17:09.31 | reeeeeesty | i already upgraded the kernel to the version that supports it and i moved the firmware to /lib/firmware |
| 17:10.00 | Joelio | titan8990: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=523726 |
| 17:10.03 | titan8990 | reeeeeesty: /etc/network/interfaces or w/e gui networking manager you might use |
| 17:10.15 | reeeeeesty | alright |
| 17:10.22 | reeeeeesty | thnks |
| 17:10.25 | nvz | f00bar80: you could always download the source and give it a whirl.. idk what the hell that is |
| 17:10.29 | Joelio | titan8990: No can do, we're a debian shop through and through :) |
| 17:11.07 | titan8990 | Joelio: where do I sign up? |
| 17:11.34 | nvz | f00bar80: by the look of his code and the comments in it, there is more to worry about with that device than a simple modeswitch |
| 17:11.43 | f00bar80 | nvz, what's the need for this cardReader in the modem ? |
| 17:11.46 | nvz | f00bar80: his code appears to be working around a timeout of some kind too |
| 17:11.49 | toolz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.53 | toolz | whats this about? |
| 17:12.10 | nvz | f00bar80: the idea they push (the cell companies) is that they are suppose to come with the software on them and be zero config |
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| 17:12.33 | nvz | f00bar80: the fact that it detects as a card reader and not a modem actually makes it MORE configuration and a pain in the ass than normal modems |
| 17:13.06 | titan8990 | Joelio: what is your gcc version? |
| 17:13.28 | nvz | f00bar80: this code you showed me does look like it was written by someone who has some experience with that device, and may be your best option as it is for debian and has the rules file and everything needed to build a debian package from it. |
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| 17:14.21 | f00bar80 | nvz, all waht i need is to compile it and give it a try ? |
| 17:14.32 | nvz | f00bar80: however, I would still try calling your provider and insist that they give you a modem and not a f'n card reader. in fact, I'd go to the closest phone store and throw the f'n thing on the counter and tell them to give you a damn modem NOW! or cancel your contract |
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| 17:15.26 | nvz | f00bar80: I have to admit, I am not at all familiar with git or the debian build process.. |
| 17:15.56 | toolz | should I worry because of this? : kernel: __ratelimit: 8 callbacks suppressed |
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| 17:16.17 | pippijn | hi all |
| 17:16.25 | cheako | Hello, I have some questions about configuring hal. I'm attempting to follow this guide http://ubuntu-snippets.blogspot.com/2009/03/multi-touch-for-anyall-synaptics.html |
| 17:16.25 | cheako | How can I read the info.capabilities of my device? I have an Apple Magic Mouse and I have loaded the hid-magicmouse drive and confirmed I'm getting data(from the event device) when I touch the mouse. |
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| 17:16.48 | titan8990 | toolz: just guessing: looks like it means that you had 8 program crashes in a small enough time that it didn't report the full crashes |
| 17:17.07 | toolz | how do I fix that |
| 17:17.45 | adb | cheako, are you useing debian ? |
| 17:18.05 | adb | using* |
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| 17:18.27 | titan8990 | toolz: make the application stop crashing? |
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| 17:18.34 | leOn | hello |
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| 17:18.44 | toolz | how the heck |
| 17:18.44 | f00bar80 | nvz, i called them now, they said it's a modem , and if i have any trouble with its connection , i want to know/understand to at least tell them what the technical difference and make this card reader a fuck pain in the ass |
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| 17:19.10 | Holborn | there is a way to know the packages that depend of a certain lib? ... If I want a list of the packages that depend of libgtk for example?? |
| 17:19.10 | cheako | adb: Yes? |
| 17:19.33 | leOn | anyone knows how i can automate package and dependencies downloading ? |
| 17:19.53 | wols | leOn: aptitude ? |
| 17:19.59 | titan8990 | leOn: aptitude install <package>? |
| 17:20.21 | leOn | titan8990: downloading, not installation |
| 17:20.46 | wols | Holborn: apt-cache rdepends ? |
| 17:20.47 | dbbolton | Holborn: search for "reverse dependencies" |
| 17:20.50 | titan8990 | leOn: I believe aptitude -d install <package> will do it |
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| 17:21.17 | nvz | f00bar80: just tell them you don't want a modem with a card reader, you want a modem. You don't want one with a blender, an automatic garage door opener, or a music box.. just a modem |
| 17:21.20 | Holborn | dbbolton: exactly ... I wanna know of some libs .. |
| 17:21.25 | reeeeeesty | how would i detect a usb nic? |
| 17:21.36 | nvz | f00bar80: what company is it? |
| 17:21.55 | dbbolton | Holborn: as wols said, apt-cache rdepends |
| 17:22.07 | dbbolton | shows reverse dependencies |
| 17:22.10 | leOn | hmmm .. does aptitute provide a way to dowload into an alternate location instead of the cache ..? |
| 17:22.17 | btnz | is there a way to display information about when a package was created? |
| 17:22.18 | Holborn | dbbolton: thanks :-) |
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| 17:22.46 | jelly-hme | btnz: the changelog? /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 17:23.12 | f00bar80 | nvz, it's Vodafone |
| 17:23.13 | themill | leOn: surprisingly enough, man aptitude discusses this. You may also want to /msg dpkg apt-zip. |
| 17:23.30 | nvz | f00bar80: what country? |
| 17:23.49 | f00bar80 | nvz, Egypt |
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| 17:24.54 | leOn | themill: surprisingly enough i've looked into aptitude man page but haven't seen any option that provides what i'm looking for ... hence my question |
| 17:25.05 | btnz | jelly-hme: ok thx, but is there a way for packages in the rep? (without installing it, i mean) |
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| 17:25.18 | jelly-hme | btnz: aptitude changelog foo |
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| 17:25.58 | leg- | any xfce users here? should I use this howto to install it? http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
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| 17:26.21 | jelly-hme | leg-: wiki.debian.org usually has decent information |
| 17:26.28 | leg- | ok |
| 17:26.47 | cheako | How can I read the info.capabilities of my device? |
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| 17:27.32 | btnz | jelly-hme: awesome, thx! guess that's why you're generally rather supposed to use aptitude than apt-get.. |
| 17:27.41 | themill | leOn: you need to set the Dir::Cache option. But if you're going down that path, you probably want something like apt-zip. |
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| 17:28.17 | jelly-hme | !tell btnz about changelog |
| 17:28.25 | titan8990 | leg-: that guide looks fine, xfce4 is pretty simple |
| 17:28.25 | AntiXpucT | hi there! |
| 17:29.07 | AntiXpucT | can anybody advice me, how i can install apt-build if it is don't exist in repos for my distro? :) |
| 17:29.38 | wols | ,versions apt-build |
| 17:29.40 | cheako | brb |
| 17:29.41 | judd | apt-build -- etch: 0.12.27; lenny: 0.12.37; sid: 0.12.37; squeeze: 0.12.37 |
| 17:29.45 | f00bar80 | nvz, ? |
| 17:29.56 | titan8990 | AntiXpucT: that project was abondoned while incomplete |
| 17:30.01 | wols | AntiXpucT: debian has it in every distro, hence you don't run debian. ask in the channel for your distro please |
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| 17:30.04 | jelly-hme | AntiXpucT: use apt-build to fetch it... ! ;-D |
| 17:30.14 | AntiXpucT | wols, i've sarge based distro |
| 17:30.22 | titan8990 | AntiXpucT: the author said that it was only written to prove the world didn't need gentoo.... |
| 17:30.26 | titan8990 | !based on debian |
| 17:30.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
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| 17:30.35 | wols | there is no "sarge based" debian. either there is debian or there isn't |
| 17:30.46 | titan8990 | !gentoosmite AntiXpucT |
| 17:30.46 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling AntiXpucT, and when it's all done, AntiXpucT runs no faster than previously |
| 17:31.00 | jelly-hme | AntiXpucT: what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:31.14 | AntiXpucT | ;) |
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| 17:31.31 | titan8990 | guesses he actually wants to `emerge world` with new CFLAGS |
| 17:31.42 | AntiXpucT | jelly-hme, i want to build packages from deb-src mirrors, not "by hands" with bpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:32.15 | AntiXpucT | *with dpkg-build* |
| 17:32.15 | jelly-hme | AntiXpucT: apt-get build-dep foo and apt-get source isn't good enough for you? |
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| 17:32.27 | titan8990 | AntiXpucT: apt-build is for recompiling all your currently installed packages, not sure it can be used for individual packages |
| 17:32.36 | HackeMate | hello, i get this when opening a gnome-keybinding-properties http://pastebin.com/vwfD321u |
| 17:32.37 | AntiXpucT | dunno, i don't try this way ;) |
| 17:32.45 | jelly-hme | !tell AntiXpucT about ssb |
| 17:33.04 | AntiXpucT | anyway, thank you all ;) |
| 17:33.13 | titan8990 | HackeMate: what version of debian is that? |
| 17:33.15 | titan8990 | AntiXpucT: anytime |
| 17:33.16 | HackeMate | lenny |
| 17:33.21 | Joelio | titan8990: Result! Used the backported kernel (along with *£&"%*"& firmware from testing..) DRBD now built |
| 17:33.23 | nvz | f00bar80: you're either going to have to contact that guy who wrote the code you showed me and try get some help using it, or get something like this.. http://www.vodafone.com.eg/en/Personal/InternetEmail/InternetontheMove/USBModem/index.htm |
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| 17:33.41 | nvz | f00bar80: that doesn't have anything but a modem function |
| 17:34.06 | titan8990 | HackeMate: check the BTS, I would bug report it if it isn't there already. Is that fatal? does it start? |
| 17:34.25 | titan8990 | Joelio: nice, congrats |
| 17:34.58 | HackeMate | violación de segmento means segmentation violation, doesn't start, indeed i guess there should be a core file |
| 17:34.59 | SerajewelKS | ... people still use sarge? |
| 17:35.13 | HackeMate | violation segfault* |
| 17:35.36 | HackeMate | yes, there is some core file, do you want it? |
| 17:35.39 | nvz | f00bar80: http://www.vodafone.com.eg/en/Personal/InternetEmail/InternetontheMove/3GWirelessRouter/index.htm these are even easier, but usually cost more |
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| 17:36.05 | nvz | f00bar80: because they require no connection to the OS at all, they use standard 802.11 wifi |
| 17:36.46 | titan8990 | Joelio: curious, did you actually go hunting for a debian shop when seeking employment or luck into it? |
| 17:37.32 | f00bar80 | nvz, and there's no a model number for this in the link above ? |
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| 17:39.29 | Joelio | titan8990: No, luck really. We're an ISP. We do have a couple of cPanel boxes that *have* to run on CentOS.. but the 100's of other boxes are all debian |
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| 17:40.19 | nvz | f00bar80: I have no idea, I am not a vodafone rep, and the closest I've come to knowing anything about Egypt is reading about the pyramids in my history book, and the fact that one of the guys on city council here is from Egypt. heh |
| 17:41.26 | f00bar80 | nvz, :) |
| 17:41.30 | f00bar80 | where are you from ? |
| 17:41.55 | nvz | f00bar80: I'm just telling you what I do know.. that your best bet is either a device that is ONLY a modem, or a device that provides wifi. Because those modem/microsd things are hard to get working. Especially the one you have from what I am reading. it has lots of issues. That guy Mikhail Gusarov <dottedmag@dottedmag.net> seems to know more than me. I'd contact him if you are going to keep that device you have |
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| 17:42.36 | nvz | f00bar80: little 1.2sq mile town called Leetsdale, about 10mi north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA |
| 17:42.52 | RayzrShrp | Joelio: so are you managing the webhosting and email then for your ISP? |
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| 17:43.26 | kraehe | is there a backup of older files from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ ? |
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| 17:44.28 | RayzrShrp | wols you around? |
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| 17:45.02 | RayzrShrp | snybody here used Xming at all? |
| 17:45.03 | nvz | f00bar80: someone else here could probably either assist you or direct you to where you could find help on building Mikhail's package, but since the package has no documentation, you would still need to get in touch with him to explain its usage |
| 17:45.05 | titan8990 | !tell kraehe about snapshots |
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| 17:45.14 | titan8990 | !popcon |
| 17:45.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 17:46.10 | pallgone | hmm... any easy way to auto start in debian? |
| 17:46.32 | wols | autostart what? |
| 17:46.34 | titan8990 | nvz: hehe, you probably just got that guys email added to 5 new spambot lists |
| 17:46.50 | pallgone | startx... sorry |
| 17:47.06 | titan8990 | pallgone: install a graphical display manager |
| 17:47.07 | wols | pallgone: install a display manager |
| 17:47.08 | SerajewelKS | pallgone: tried gdm or kdm? |
| 17:47.16 | pallgone | I don't want |
| 17:47.30 | pallgone | just from inittab or something... |
| 17:47.41 | nvz | titan8990: *shrug* his email is all over the web already including in his source code.. he's on linkedin ffs |
| 17:47.43 | kraehe | titan8990, does snapshots only contain the source packages? |
| 17:47.45 | titan8990 | pallgone: you want it to be redhat/fedora you mean |
| 17:47.56 | titan8990 | kraehe: no, should contain everything |
| 17:47.58 | nvz | titan8990: he seems like the kinda guy who knows how to block spam |
| 17:48.06 | SerajewelKS | pallgone: so put it in your inittab |
| 17:48.16 | SerajewelKS | pallgone: or you could do what the rest of the world does and install a display manager :P |
| 17:48.17 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: doesn't work like that in debian |
| 17:48.25 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: i know that |
| 17:49.14 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: just saying, if he's going to be that specific about how he wants this problem solved, then he can try to do it that way, IMO. "i want to do XYZ but i will only take answers that tell me to do it ABC" means you should just go do ABC, break your system, and leave us alone. :P |
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| 17:49.40 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: hehe, well put |
| 17:49.43 | ga_bash | hello, how do you update the bios in debian? |
| 17:50.07 | titan8990 | ga_bash: you do it... from your BIOS, not the from inside the OS |
| 17:50.18 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: maybe i'm just being a dick, i dunno |
| 17:50.23 | titan8990 | ga_bash: some newer boards support BIOS flashing from inside the OS, but i personally would not trust it |
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| 17:50.35 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: nah |
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| 17:50.42 | nvz | titan8990: actually in some cases you can do it from inside debian. there are utilities |
| 17:51.01 | ga_bash | titan8990, oh but I did not see any option to update in BIOS. I agree with you that OS really shouldnt be trusted with such things but I felt debian has a way through it. |
| 17:51.04 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: i yelled at like three people a few days ago for asking questions in here that google can answer way better than i can :) |
| 17:51.08 | titan8990 | nvz: yes, I was saying some newer ones will. I still wouldn't recommend |
| 17:51.10 | ga_bash | nvz, please enlighten |
| 17:51.23 | pallgone | hmm... I'm going to try with inittab... wish me good luck :) |
| 17:51.25 | Hebram | ga_bash: I usually update the BIOS by downloading a bootable CD ISO from the manufacturer. |
| 17:51.36 | titan8990 | ga_bash: its going to be specific to your board, download the manual for your hardware |
| 17:51.43 | SerajewelKS | ga_bash: usually the way this happens is the company provides a windows tool that formats a floppy to boot, and the floppy boots DOS and runs a BIOS flashing tool from the autoexec.bat |
| 17:51.52 | kraehe | *ok* found them, thanks titan8990 |
| 17:51.53 | ga_bash | sighs.... silently |
| 17:52.02 | nvz | ga_bash: the package is called flashrom, and there are amideco, awardeco, and phnxdeco, for decompressing the images to use with the flashrom utility |
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| 17:52.11 | SerajewelKS | ga_bash: perhaps that's changed since nobody has floppy drives anymore, but basically 99% of the time the mfr gives you a boot disk that does it |
| 17:52.18 | ga_bash | nvz, would check that thanks. |
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| 17:52.25 | wols | ga_bash: if it's possible, make a FreeDOS boot floppy or CD and use the DOS flasher for your BIOS |
| 17:52.31 | nvz | ga_bash: apt-cache search flashbios |
| 17:52.32 | titan8990 | SerajewelKS: my DFI board can flash from usb stick |
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| 17:52.46 | ga_bash | wols, I dont have a working optical drive or floppy drive. |
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| 17:53.13 | nvz | ga_bash: you may not have a working motherboard after you screw up the BIOS ;) |
| 17:53.22 | SerajewelKS | titan8990: sure, but that's still boot media :) |
| 17:53.23 | titan8990 | ga_bash: again, download your manual, read it, see what option are available |
| 17:53.25 | Hebram | nvz: hehe |
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| 17:53.31 | nvz | Hebram: heh ;) |
| 17:53.32 | titan8990 | ga_bash: and join ##hardware |
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| 17:53.38 | Pupeno | Is there a command that will output some info about certs, keys, public keys, etc of those for SSL? |
| 17:53.47 | Hebram | nvz: Debian paperweights are the new sexy. |
| 17:53.48 | ga_bash | titan8990, yeah i would try to look for it from the manufacturers server. |
| 17:53.54 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: openssl is the standard command |
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| 17:54.01 | nvz | Hebram: oh yeah, what magazine did you read that in? |
| 17:54.21 | titan8990 | probably infoworld :p |
| 17:54.21 | Pupeno | SerajewelKS: do you know how to make it show info... I find openssl quite hard to understand. |
| 17:54.30 | Hebram | nvz: Windows Monthly |
| 17:54.32 | chomwitt | in lenny when trying to install wireshark from synaptic i get the error: http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/w/wireshark/wireshark-common_1.0.2-3+lenny7_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
| 17:54.33 | pallgone | wow... worked better than I thought... archlinux wiki ftw |
| 17:54.35 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: that's because x509 is hard to understand |
| 17:54.41 | nvz | Hebram: oh, well thats obviously biased.. |
| 17:55.00 | themill | chomwitt: "aptitude update" required |
| 17:55.03 | titan8990 | pallgone: let me guess... arch... rc.local? |
| 17:55.15 | pallgone | titan8990: no... inittab |
| 17:55.28 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: e.g. 'openssl x509 -in foo.crt -text' should show you a text representation of a certificate |
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| 17:56.14 | chomwitt | themill: thanks! i'll try it |
| 17:56.23 | Pupeno | SerajewelKS: thank you. |
| 17:56.29 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: you can't output info about keys because raw keys do not have any information. they are just a blob of bytes. |
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| 17:57.51 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: x509 is one of those things you just have to keep trying to understand before it really makes sense |
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| 17:58.04 | ga_bash | thanks guys |
| 17:58.41 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: basically, a CA is a self-signed certificate that you elect to trust. the cert contains a public key and identifying information. it is the combination of this info that is signed by itself. therefore you can only cryptographically verify that a CA is not damaged; that doesn't imply trust. |
| 17:59.44 | SerajewelKS | Pupeno: a cert that your browser trusts must have the common name field match the domain it's served by, must not be expired, and must contain a valid signature from a CA in the store. the cert also contains a public key your browser uses to encrypt the info it sends to the server. (note that all the info in a cert is signed by the CA, including the public key.) |
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| 18:00.04 | SerajewelKS | that's about as terse as an x509 summary can get, and i left out a lot :) |
| 18:00.54 | Kazuha | I know this is more an OO specific question, but... is there any way to strip the link text (and turn urls into same en-masse) in OpenOffice? |
| 18:01.29 | SerajewelKS | Kazuha: you mean replace all links with their targets, plaintext? |
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| 18:02.10 | Kazuha | As in turn something like <a href=http://google.com>Search Engine</a> into http://google.com |
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| 18:03.33 | jair | hello guys, where can I change permanently the ulimit settings on debian? |
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| 18:03.43 | kraehe | *hm* looks as if http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/archive/debian/20091116T034738Z/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ is missing kernels 2.6.{27,28,29} |
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| 18:05.48 | spastorino | hi guys where can i find the difference between a debian package and the original source of that package |
| 18:06.10 | spastorino | i mean i need the modifications mainainer made to rubygems package |
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| 18:07.50 | themill | kraehe: 2.6.27 was never uploaded to debian. That's the wrong date for 2.6.{28,29}... by then, 2.6.30 was in sid. |
| 18:09.26 | kraehe | themill, my problem now: linux 2.6.26 shows two CPU cores, 2.6.{30,31,32} show only one core in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:09.56 | kraehe | i hoped to find out where this break happens, by tring ready to run debian kernels |
| 18:10.26 | nvz | spastorino: apt-get source rubygems |
| 18:10.53 | nvz | spastorino: notice it pulls in an orig and a diff |
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| 18:12.05 | themill | spastorino: you can also look at http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ |
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| 18:12.43 | jelly-hme | kraehe: have you already pastebinned the contents of that /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 18:13.02 | kraehe | http://pastebin.com/WG4kY9j3 <- here ;-) |
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| 18:13.53 | Kazuha | *Is* there an OO channel here on anywhere on Freenode? |
| 18:14.36 | kraehe | debian 2.6.26 (default image) shows both cores, linux-image-2.6.3[012]-[12]-686_2.6.3[012]-._i386.deb shows only one core, even if they have SMP in uname |
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| 18:16.36 | hikenboot | anyone in here know how to debug scst-iscsi? I cant get the deamon to start.../var/log/syslog shows nothing in fact it says its started but the deamon isnt running |
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| 18:18.08 | jelly-hme | kraehe: have you checked dmesg output for any reasons (broken bios, dunno)? |
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| 18:19.22 | jelly-hme | kraehe: also, have you tried an -amd64 kernel just for fun? :-) |
| 18:19.41 | spastorino | nvz: thanks |
| 18:20.05 | nvz | no problem |
| 18:20.06 | spastorino | i don't find rubygems here http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ |
| 18:20.26 | nvz | never heard of p-t.d.o |
| 18:20.42 | jelly-hme | kraehe: you could ask in #debian-kernel (irc.oftc.net), still you're likely to end up in having to file a bug anyway |
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| 18:21.10 | spastorino | i had downloaded the diff file but didn't find the changes, now looking at it more quiet i found all the things :) |
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| 18:21.22 | kraehe | jelly, [ 0.027915] weird, boot CPU (#0) not listed by the BIOS. <- this might be the reason |
| 18:21.50 | Hydroxide | hah, did the message actually include the word "weird"? :) |
| 18:22.03 | titan8990 | was thinking to the same ^ |
| 18:22.06 | jelly-hme | kraehe: it might be an indication something's amiss |
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| 18:22.21 | yup | hello |
| 18:22.24 | spastorino | nvz: p-t.d.o i don't asking to do that for me there's no rubygems package there |
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| 18:23.08 | titan8990 | spastorino: i missed the begining there.. but rubygems is in the main repos |
| 18:23.31 | Vasistha | I have a friend (in her 60s) who just dug up an old p-500 with 64 MB memory, and a 6 GB disk. It's running win98. She's never owned a computer before, it was her mother's. I offered to install linux for her... any opinions as to whether it will run better with debian or win98 or another distro? |
| 18:24.05 | titan8990 | Vasistha: dropping a $15 stick of ram in there would help tremendously |
| 18:24.06 | spastorino | titan8990: yes but i'm looking for changes between original source code and package code, some one tell me to take a look at http://patch-tracker.debian.org/ and there's no rubygems package there |
| 18:24.17 | titan8990 | Vasistha: otherwise, DSL or puppy linux |
| 18:25.07 | jelly-hme | Vasistha: what he said, make it use 256-512MB RAM and it might run XP or a recent Linux nicely (if a bit slow) |
| 18:25.16 | Vasistha | titan8990: true, that. it's a laptop, though. The thing I love about debian is that it's so easy to maintain, and I'm going to guess that she's going to depend on me for maintenance, which makes me nervous about putting another distro on |
| 18:25.42 | titan8990 | Vasistha: that will make the ram more expensive but still do-able |
| 18:25.42 | jelly-hme | 64MB is _painful_ for dpkg and/or apt. |
| 18:25.50 | titan8990 | Vasistha: i imagine that things is pretty bulky hehe |
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| 18:26.10 | yup | I have a problem with a one java network application, thereis preference to use ipv4 stack and if I use it application works correctly, but when I do not specify to use ipv4 then application gives error - Network is unreachable. So I assume that the problem is with ipv6 configuration, what can I do in such case ? |
| 18:26.29 | Vasistha | it's not that bulky, but the display is only 800x600 and 12" |
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| 18:27.10 | Vasistha | looks like it can take a 128 mb stick, giving it 192 total -- just like my old compaq. A bigger hard drive wouldn't hurt, either. |
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| 18:27.12 | meiki | rsa or dsa? |
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| 18:27.55 | titan8990 | Vasistha: if you are from the states, craigslist is an excellent place to find old harware such as that |
| 18:28.10 | jelly-hme | Vasistha: it might be able to take _some_ 256MB sticks, like _my_ old armada |
| 18:28.27 | Vasistha | titan8990: good point, I guess craigslist it will be. |
| 18:28.45 | jelly-hme | depending on the actual memory layout on the chips used |
| 18:29.23 | Vasistha | jelly-hme: I never managed to buy one for mine... upgraded to a t42 first. Although come to think of it... maybe I should just grab that old stick from my compaq, that will probably work in this one! |
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| 18:30.30 | Vasistha | I think I've got a 30 GB hard drive I could give her, too, that used to be in there. 192 MB and 30 GB would make debian a much more reasonable option |
| 18:31.27 | jelly-hme | yes, if only because it'd have a faster disk to put a swap partition on |
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| 18:33.29 | SimManiac | good afternoon |
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| 18:35.12 | kraehe | btw - the weird BIOS problem was apci in bios disabled |
| 18:35.43 | kraehe | still, linux 2.6.26 behaved better in that case, and detected both cores |
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| 18:37.23 | taras | hi. someone can recommend good image formats converting library or commandline utility? |
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| 18:41.55 | daltio111 | guys i want to copy data from linux to windows using rsync to that only updates are copied |
| 18:41.58 | daltio111 | any idea? |
| 18:43.06 | jhutchins_lt | daltio111: Copy your data from linux to windows with rsync then. |
| 18:43.22 | daltio111 | how |
| 18:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | man rsync |
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| 18:43.36 | daltio111 | does windows understand rsync |
| 18:43.56 | jhutchins_lt | No, you'll have to use a mounted share. |
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| 18:44.36 | jhutchins_lt | That or install an rsync or scp server on windows. |
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| 18:46.43 | balazsbela | hey all |
| 18:46.52 | balazsbela | I need some help with the wireless drivers here |
| 18:46.54 | balazsbela | http://pastebin.com/6ecpr01k |
| 18:46.57 | balazsbela | this is the info |
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| 18:47.03 | balazsbela | according to this debian page, it should work |
| 18:47.13 | balazsbela | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Acer/Aspire+7730/ |
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| 18:47.23 | balazsbela | I can't scan for wireless networks |
| 18:47.32 | balazsbela | since install, also tried ndiswrapper |
| 18:47.43 | Da_Wrecka | That's a fucked-up ESSID |
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| 18:48.00 | Da_Wrecka | Still; I've got the same problem but with a totally different system and wireless NIC. |
| 18:48.01 | balazsbela | yeah,I've noticed |
| 18:48.05 | balazsbela | but why ? |
| 18:48.22 | Da_Wrecka | With the kernel drivers it says it doesn't support scanning, and ndiswrapper just plain doesn't work |
| 18:49.15 | Da_Wrecka | If you ever figure out how to get it working, I'd love it you told me how |
| 18:49.17 | balazsbela | yep,same here |
| 18:49.36 | balazsbela | Don't know, we have the 2.6.32-trunk kernel installed |
| 18:49.44 | balazsbela | should we try an older kernel ? |
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| 18:49.49 | Da_Wrecka | not likely to work |
| 18:49.57 | Da_Wrecka | Mine's either .26 or .28 |
| 18:50.02 | balazsbela | great |
| 18:50.02 | Da_Wrecka | and no go there either |
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| 18:51.40 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: your using squeeze/sid?? |
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| 18:51.44 | Da_Wrecka | for extra fun, if the WNIC is inserted, the wired NIC ceases to function |
| 18:51.47 | balazsbela | sid |
| 18:51.55 | Da_Wrecka | titan8990: I dunno, it's 5.0.3 if that helps |
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| 18:52.19 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: how did you install .32 kernel? |
| 18:52.23 | Da_Wrecka | I didn't |
| 18:52.25 | gizmore | what is an easy ftpd? |
| 18:52.26 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: grr. Nothing yet. Everything is updated but I get the same error. |
| 18:52.29 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: oh, wrong person sorry |
| 18:52.48 | nvz | balazsbela: what wireless card is it? you only listed your wired ethernet card |
| 18:52.59 | malachi_constant | jhutchins_lt: I'm going to try again with gdm and see if it's any better; it may be a bug in xdm. |
| 18:53.06 | titan8990 | !iwlagn |
| 18:53.07 | dpkg | iwlagn is, like, the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 18:53.24 | titan8990 | balazsbela: did you follow the official link in the wiki? |
| 18:53.48 | balazsbela | whoops |
| 18:53.48 | balazsbela | 07:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 |
| 18:54.10 | nvz | balazsbela: and do you have a driver loaded for it? |
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| 18:54.27 | titan8990 | nvz: hehe, probably has ndiswrapper and the native driver loaded |
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| 18:54.57 | nvz | balazsbela: try doing ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0, then try the scan again |
| 18:54.57 | Da_Wrecka | titan8990: Maybe not. I actually blacklisted the kernel module for my WNIC after installing ndiswrapper |
| 18:54.58 | titan8990 | but he is a sid user, can handle it |
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| 18:55.10 | Da_Wrecka | All that changed is that now there's NO driver being loaded, instead of a non-functional driver |
| 18:55.40 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: I missed your problem, your also having issues with wireless? what card do you have? |
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| 18:55.56 | Da_Wrecka | One sec, lemme go grab the system. (which doesn't have Debian on it right now, but still) |
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| 18:56.15 | balazsbela | nvz: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 18:56.21 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: .... |
| 18:56.23 | balazsbela | I get this when executing the ifconfig command |
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| 18:57.25 | titan8990 | so we have two wireless problems, a sid user and one without debian.... nice |
| 18:57.30 | nvz | balazsbela: what driver are you using, and what is your kernel version (uname -r) |
| 18:57.41 | nvz | titan8990: you baited the other problem |
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| 18:57.58 | nvz | titan8990: he was just expressing a similar issue when the other user mentioned it |
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| 18:58.00 | titan8990 | nvz: it was a mis-tell |
| 18:58.03 | nvz | wasn't asking for help |
| 18:58.24 | balazsbela | nvz: 2.6.32-trunk-686 and the iwlagn driver |
| 18:58.27 | Da_Wrecka | titan8990: I have another hard drive for the system in question that does have Debian on it |
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| 18:58.39 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: boot it |
| 18:58.40 | Da_Wrecka | I just went "fuck it" after I couldn't get the wireless to work and put the Win2K drive back in |
| 18:58.56 | Da_Wrecka | it's an old laptop, y'see |
| 18:59.18 | Da_Wrecka | Anyway, the WNIC in my case is a Belkin F5D7010 rev.7000uk |
| 18:59.22 | nvz | balazsbela: could you rmmod and modprobe that driver again, then pastebin the output of dmesg? |
| 18:59.35 | avar | What program presents the "A new version of configuration file " package configuration dialog? There's a bug in the ncurses version I'd like to report, And actually I'd like to configure it not to use ncurses but the readline interface |
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| 18:59.54 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: lscpi -nn, the manufacturer of the card is fairly useless, need the actual chip |
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| 19:00.08 | wols | avar: debconf should be it. and dpkg-reconfigure debconf too |
| 19:00.14 | AimHere | FSD7010 should have in-kernel wireless driver support |
| 19:00.20 | Da_Wrecka | AimHere: Well, it doesn't work |
| 19:00.39 | AimHere | Wouldn't it need third party firmware from somewhere? |
| 19:00.41 | avar | wols: Ah, thanks |
| 19:00.42 | balazsbela | http://pastebin.com/eyALmMAu |
| 19:01.03 | wols | probably a BCM94306 |
| 19:01.09 | AimHere | I seem to recall having to extract/download firmware files for it, back when it was an out-of-kernel driver |
| 19:01.11 | Da_Wrecka | would it? I dunno, I'm a newbie to Linux |
| 19:01.26 | wols | yes it would. it's a shitty broadcom |
| 19:01.36 | Da_Wrecka | Yours is the first mention I've ever heard of it needing firmware |
| 19:01.41 | Da_Wrecka | and this is apparently a Realtek chip |
| 19:01.44 | titan8990 | balazsbela: looks like the wrong driver, read the link for iwlagn |
| 19:01.52 | nvz | balazsbela: you are missing firware |
| 19:01.54 | AimHere | Did you type 'dmesg' when wondering why it didn't work? |
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| 19:02.01 | Da_Wrecka | many times |
| 19:02.02 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: realteks usually do require firmware |
| 19:02.13 | AimHere | It ought to have complained about firmware] |
| 19:02.18 | balazsbela | titan8990: PCI: 8086:4232 Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 is in the list |
| 19:02.21 | Da_Wrecka | well, I never found that in any of the howtos I read |
| 19:02.33 | AimHere | It's card specific, probably not in a general wireless howto |
| 19:02.38 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: you didn't come on to IRC support with a working debian system either |
| 19:02.39 | AimHere | Also some of those HOWTOs are ancient |
| 19:02.40 | nvz | balazsbela: he's trying too hard and knows too little |
| 19:02.47 | wols | Da_Wrecka: please go into device manager, right click on the wlan, select properties, then details |
| 19:02.48 | balazsbela | it should be supported by iwlagn |
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| 19:03.06 | Da_Wrecka | titan8990: I did have a working Debian system last time I came on, and nobody could help |
| 19:03.16 | titan8990 | !tell balazsbela about iwlagn |
| 19:03.24 | wols | there you will see "Device instance id" and below that PCI\VEN and DEV with 2 numbers |
| 19:03.41 | wols | tell us that |
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| 19:03.54 | Da_Wrecka | Screw it, I've already taken the Windows drive out |
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| 19:03.57 | balazsbela | 07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5100 [8086:4232] |
| 19:04.00 | Da_Wrecka | I'll put the Debian drive back in and boot that |
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| 19:04.11 | balazsbela | dude, this is the card reported by lspci -nn, it's in the list on the wiki page |
| 19:04.24 | titan8990 | balazsbela: check your PM from dpkgbot for iwlagn |
| 19:04.54 | AimHere | Da_Wrecka, did you try a good liveCD, to see if THAT worked? |
| 19:05.21 | balazsbela | I did, ok so now what ? |
| 19:05.24 | nvz | balazsbela: do you have the package firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
| 19:05.28 | titan8990 | and ffs people stop installing squeeze/sid if you don't know your head from your ass |
| 19:05.31 | AimHere | It's always a good plan to have Knoppix or something to hand, to test if that can make your hardware go |
| 19:05.52 | balazsbela | Package firmware-iwlwifi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 19:06.32 | nvz | balazsbela: please ignore titan8990 for now, he's not on his game right now.. he apparently did not read the damn dmesg output I requested which indicates this is a firmware and not a hardware or driver issue |
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| 19:07.02 | nvz | balazsbela: what says apt-cache search iwlwifi? |
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| 19:07.30 | Da_Wrecka | AimHere: Define "good liveCD" |
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| 19:07.33 | titan8990 | nvz: im fairly certain that is the *wrong* driver |
| 19:07.45 | balazsbela | nvz: no match, in which repository can I find it ? |
| 19:07.49 | Da_Wrecka | But no, I did not. The only one I ever tried on the thing was SysRescueCD which I never bothered messing with the wireless on |
| 19:08.13 | nvz | titan8990: I am farily certain its not. |
| 19:08.14 | AimHere | Well one that does a decent job of autodetecting hardware and making it go. I'm not happy unless I know there's a Knoppix disk lying around, but YMMV. |
| 19:08.40 | nvz | balazsbela: I am looking at http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:08.44 | titan8990 | nvz: iwlwifi was for 3945 and 4945, iwlagn was for the higher series, although I am seeing they both use the same firmware package |
| 19:09.43 | nvz | titan8990: he's in sid, seriously man, you're helpful in here, but you're not up to speed. I've been here for 10 years and I am a certified linux tech. I am looking at the sid package right now, its for ntel Wireless 3945, 4965 and 5000-series cards |
| 19:10.07 | nvz | titan8990: it specificially lists "Intel Wireless 5100, 5300 and 5350 firmware, version 8.24.2.12 (iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode" |
| 19:10.53 | nvz | titan8990: what you are looking at is likely on your system running stable |
| 19:10.54 | wols | nvz: don't forget your 10m epeen |
| 19:10.59 | titan8990 | nvz: thats the firmware, I just said it appears that both iwlwifi and iwlagn use the same firmware package |
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| 19:11.21 | titan8990 | nvz: if you look at the wiki page of iwlwifi, it sends you to iwlagn for that card |
| 19:11.35 | nvz | titan8990: either way you can't point to a driver issue before firmware is installed with dmesg showing the firmware error and not a driver error |
| 19:11.38 | balazsbela | nvz: http://pastebin.com/kHw86EvL |
| 19:11.44 | nvz | titan8990: that issue we haven't gotten to yet |
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| 19:12.12 | titan8990 | and now its loaded... using iwlagn |
| 19:12.14 | balazsbela | nvz: works |
| 19:12.17 | balazsbela | thank you very much dude |
| 19:12.30 | nvz | no problem, that's what we're here for |
| 19:12.50 | titan8990 | nvz: which all would have been solved by the iwlagn wiki page I linked him to twice... that installs the firmware |
| 19:13.13 | SerajewelKS | OT, but does anyone know of a windows media player that will play nice with icecast/vorbis? |
| 19:13.16 | titan8990 | but asking people to read is too much |
| 19:13.46 | SerajewelKS | VLC likes to stop playing a track and start buffering the next when it reads the EOS from the server, not when the buffer is empty |
| 19:13.56 | nvz | titan8990: heh, you're just playing the he's in sid and should fix his own problem card and yet still having him try other things that arent going to work while I'm trying to get to the real issue.. the firmware |
| 19:14.00 | SerajewelKS | ideally it would continue playing until the buffer is empty, which buffering the next stream too |
| 19:14.29 | nvz | titan8990: either way, the issue was resolved. we'll move on |
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| 19:15.16 | titan8990 | nvz: your right, I was playing the "he should fix his own problem card" |
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| 19:15.51 | nvz | titan8990: yeah well when you do that, then stick to it, dont keep telling him to try a different driver when I'm trying to help him with what the kernel is telling me, its the firmware ;) |
| 19:16.09 | Da_Wrecka | alright, Debian's booting |
| 19:16.11 | nvz | titan8990: when you play that card you;re suppose to be hands off after that.. heh |
| 19:16.45 | titan8990 | nvz: fair enough |
| 19:17.04 | daltio111 | jhutchins can u explain i wnat to put my linux dir backup on XP |
| 19:17.21 | k23z__ | daltio111: use unison |
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| 19:18.03 | nvz | titan8990: you were right though it could have very well have been an iwlwifi, but not until the firmware was installed and it didn't work with iwlagn. I'm willing to bet the card works with both |
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| 19:18.54 | daltio111 | i want to bakup data from my linux machine and place that data on XP |
| 19:19.02 | daltio111 | unson is not free |
| 19:19.28 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, lspci -nn says "Ethernet controller [0200]: Belkin Device [1799:701f] (rev 20)" |
| 19:19.34 | themill | nvz: wtf? that card is only supported by the iwlagn driver |
| 19:20.28 | titan8990 | daltio111: unison is free.. its GPL |
| 19:20.43 | titan8990 | daltio111: but really old, and I doubt its still maintained |
| 19:20.46 | wols | daltio111: unison is GPL |
| 19:21.18 | daltio111 | can u send me linl |
| 19:21.19 | daltio111 | link |
| 19:21.22 | titan8990 | daltio111: you should be aware that NTFS will not preserve UNIX permissions |
| 19:21.35 | wols | titan8990: june 2009 is the latest release |
| 19:21.35 | titan8990 | daltio111: type "unison" into google, click the first link |
| 19:21.39 | daltio111 | i have down rsync server on XP any 1 help me out to run that |
| 19:21.51 | wols | daltio111: do you know google.com? |
| 19:21.55 | nvz | themill: idk, I didn't check.. it wasn't even an issue in my mind until the error the kernel was telling me was resolved. I'm just trying to help this new loyal debian supporter get to the root of issues and not run in circles after he's chosen to wash his hands on an issue |
| 19:22.05 | wols | ,versions unison |
| 19:22.07 | judd | unison -- etch: 2.13.16-5; etch-backports: 2.27.57-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.27.57-1+b1; squeeze: 2.27.57-2; sid: 2.32.52-1 |
| 19:22.28 | wols | badly maintained in debian however :( |
| 19:22.29 | daltio111 | ok |
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| 19:22.48 | titan8990 | daltio111: deltacopy? |
| 19:23.05 | themill | nvz: stop talking out your arse. titan8990's advice was spot on: the factoid he pointed to tells the user that they need to install the firmware and tells them what package it is in. |
| 19:23.20 | daltio111 | kind of delta copy |
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| 19:23.40 | themill | nvz: perhaps you *should* check before spending 10 minutes ridiculing one of the other regulars in the channel |
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| 19:25.12 | malachi_constant | Okay. Guys, why would xorg be using 100% CPU? |
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| 19:25.47 | captainc | I'm trying to use a fat32 partition to install linux instead of using the cd. The computer has Vista installed. It doesn't like linux cds (just hangs). I used unetbootin to extract a cd image to the partition. Do I need to otherwise make it bootable? Has anyone else done a cd-less install like this? |
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| 19:26.18 | wols | captainc: no one did. I doubt you can do it without extensive hacking the installer |
| 19:26.31 | titan8990 | !tell captainc about usb install |
| 19:26.34 | wols | captainc: you could use an usb stick however |
| 19:26.45 | captainc | I tried that too. |
| 19:26.46 | titan8990 | captainc: check your pm from dpkg, lots of users have had problems with unetbootin |
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| 19:28.31 | captainc | Something about the load process and this computer/bios just doesn't jive. |
| 19:28.49 | wols | captainc: no CD drive? |
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| 19:29.11 | sbrothy | I updated grub and my windows boot option disappeared from the boot menu. The entry is still there in /boot/grub/menu.lst though. Any clues? |
| 19:29.12 | captainc | I get error beeps when installing from cd. It hangs at a blinking cursor icon top left corner. |
| 19:29.29 | wols | sbrothy: let me guess: squeeze? |
| 19:29.39 | wols | captainc: what hardware? |
| 19:29.56 | sbrothy | wols: Yes.... |
| 19:29.56 | nvz | themill: fine. I wasn't trying to ridicule, I was trying to solve the issue and he was the one talking about it not being the right driver. I was just trying to get some firmware installed. The issue was he pointed to the factoid, then kept going on about it not being the right driver while I was trying to get the error I observed taken care of which pointed to firmware not drivers. Its over now. We're all ok. |
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| 19:30.16 | captainc | Dell xps 730 desktop stock. |
| 19:30.19 | sbrothy | Did I shoot myself in the foot? |
| 19:30.26 | wols | sbrothy: then you use grub2 now. see /etc/grub the configfile will be /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 19:30.51 | wols | sbrothy: insofar as you should be a bit more knowledgeable to use testing: yes |
| 19:31.07 | wols | captainc: brandnames are useless |
| 19:31.29 | jimcooncat | captainc: I had to go to netbooting a machine like that |
| 19:31.35 | sbrothy | wols: Yes I know. But I'm having a lot of fun when it breaks. This one had me thumbed though. I should have RTFM in retrospect. Thank you. |
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| 19:31.58 | venom00 | hello, I'm trying to kexec grub4dos, it works fine in VM but in the real machine the system blocks silentely |
| 19:32.24 | wols | venom00: ask whoever gave youe grub4dos. it certainly isn't debian |
| 19:32.30 | captainc | jimcooncat: what did you have to do? is there a good netbooting guide that I can follow? |
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| 19:32.54 | wols | !tell captainc about ig |
| 19:32.57 | venom00 | ok, but maybe someone here can help |
| 19:33.00 | zgareb | Is there a way to create a custom installer with some extra packages and maybe a newer kernel? |
| 19:33.04 | Da_Wrecka | ...what the hell? It seems to be working now. And yet, I've done nothing different this time. |
| 19:33.07 | wols | venom00: we support debian. not DOS software |
| 19:33.22 | jimcooncat | captainc: [netboot] a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users,... |
| 19:33.24 | venom00 | the problem mp is kexec, not grub4dos |
| 19:33.34 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: to err is human, but to really f! things up takes a computer.. |
| 19:33.41 | Da_Wrecka | or at least, iwlist scan returns some actual results this time, instead of "interface does not support scanning" |
| 19:33.57 | Da_Wrecka | Now to get the thing to associate with my AP |
| 19:33.58 | jimcooncat | captainc: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 19:34.09 | captainc | I get this when booting gparted: "live-initramfs will now start a shell. the error message was: Unable to find a medium containing a live file system" |
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| 19:34.53 | captainc | jimcooncat: thanks |
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| 19:35.12 | wols | captainc: IDE optical drive? if so, it's probably shitty JMicron crap |
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| 19:35.28 | Da_Wrecka | Okay, seems I need a different version of wpa_supplicant - this one doesn't support ndis |
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| 19:36.26 | wols | Da_Wrecka: what wlan chip is it exactly? |
| 19:36.49 | Da_Wrecka | RTL8185 apparently |
| 19:37.08 | xaashi | hi, does anyone know if there is a good logging package for log4cpp or log4cxx |
| 19:37.16 | xaashi | sorry |
| 19:37.17 | xaashi | meant |
| 19:37.26 | xaashi | a debian package for log4cpp |
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| 19:38.16 | Da_Wrecka | Gah, why did I not do the xfce version when I was installing Debian on this hunk of crap? |
| 19:38.29 | Da_Wrecka | I KNEW GNOME would run like distilled arse after sitting in the sun for a year |
| 19:39.06 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: haha, OK THEN. |
| 19:39.59 | nvz | xaashi: seems its called log4cpp |
| 19:40.49 | nvz | xaashi: actually its called liblog4cpp5 in lenny |
| 19:41.10 | wols | Da_Wrecka: no need for ndiswrapper |
| 19:41.24 | Da_Wrecka | wols: the kernel driver didn't work for some reason |
| 19:41.36 | nvz | xaashi: I must've been looking at a source package. |
| 19:41.39 | Da_Wrecka | It would install and load, but iwlist scan always, ALWAYS returned no results |
| 19:42.33 | xaashi | nvz: thanks man, just found it .. must of missed someting .. |
| 19:43.00 | nvz | xaashi: it happens so many bits flying around.. we're bound to miss a few here and there |
| 19:43.03 | Da_Wrecka | ...huh. Except it seems it IS using the kernel driver for this thing. |
| 19:43.16 | Da_Wrecka | What the fuck, man, last time it didn't function at all with the exact same software |
| 19:43.45 | Da_Wrecka | I give up. Anyway the driver seems to be working, so now I need to get wpa_supplicant working |
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| 19:44.31 | malachi_constant | Folks, any idea how to install extensions from addons.mozilla.org in iceweasel? |
| 19:44.49 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: install wicd, be happy? |
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| 19:46.02 | nvz | malachi_constant: tried clicking the green "add to firefox" button? |
| 19:46.46 | Da_Wrecka | "couldn't find package wicd", okay looks like it's going to be the hard way |
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| 19:47.02 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: its in backports, just not in stable. |
| 19:47.15 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: makes life easy IMO |
| 19:48.03 | Da_Wrecka | If I add "backports" to the end of the line in /etc/apt/sources.list will that do it? |
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| 19:49.12 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: echo "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get -t lenny-backports install wicd |
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| 19:49.51 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: can also install debian-backports-keyring if you want. |
| 19:51.39 | nvz | I'd be happy if they'd just throw away network manager and have wicd default in the next release.. but I doubt thats going to happen |
| 19:52.18 | nvz | so I'm just going to have to keep telling people to install wicd (which removes n-m) everytime they come in and bitch about trying to do simple things like statically configure and interface or something |
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| 19:52.56 | nvz | I find n-m incredibly unfriendly and annoying. Its great when and where it can work automagically |
| 19:53.16 | Da_Wrecka | But it doesn't do that often, right? |
| 19:53.37 | malachi_constant | I'm not sure how to phrase this question, but here goes: did anything fundamental in keyboard behavior handling change in Debian? I mean in terms of standard shortcuts? |
| 19:53.50 | nvz | na, pretty much only on a box that will always use the main (only) eth interface and DHCP.. like this one.. my netbook on the other hand I replaced it with wicd |
| 19:53.55 | malachi_constant | Previously in firefox and pidgin if I pressed ctrl+a it highlighted everything in a text field. |
| 19:54.01 | malachi_constant | But now it doesn't anymore. |
| 19:54.40 | nvz | malachi_constant: ctrl+a is like universally select all. its probably something on your end. the type of keyboard or keymap used |
| 19:54.49 | nvz | or your control key is broken |
| 19:55.08 | Da_Wrecka | "The Network Manager applet could not find some resources" Well duh! Stupid thing. |
| 19:55.29 | nvz | or another modifier key is stuck.. which will prevent ctrl+a from working |
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| 19:55.39 | nvz | even a stuck shift key would do it |
| 19:55.45 | ntsasng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/388491/ |
| 19:55.52 | ntsasng | help me config it |
| 19:55.54 | ntsasng | :) |
| 19:55.54 | malachi_constant | nvz: mmm, nope. I don't think so. Other 'ctrl functions' work just fine. |
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| 19:56.35 | nvz | ntsasng: you're in the wrong channel. |
| 19:56.49 | ntsasng | No! |
| 19:57.02 | ntsasng | nvz: I'm using Debian |
| 19:57.07 | ntsasng | nvz: :) |
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| 19:57.37 | malachi_constant | ntsasng: then you might be in the right channel - but you might get more good topical advice from #conky. |
| 19:57.46 | nvz | well there is paste.debian.net, and wth is conkyforecast, and what are you trying to do? |
| 19:57.52 | ntsasng | i joined it |
| 19:57.57 | nvz | helps to ask a question instead of randomly pasting a config |
| 19:58.10 | ntsasng | they not answer |
| 19:58.11 | ntsasng | :( |
| 19:58.19 | Da_Wrecka | nvz: Do I need to reboot after installing wicd, or can I get it running without that step? man wicd isn't too helpful on that score. |
| 19:58.20 | malachi_constant | ntsasng: it takes time. |
| 19:58.27 | malachi_constant | Especially with such a small channel as #conky. |
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| 19:58.44 | titan8990 | Da_Wrecka: should just be able to start it with /etc/init.d/wicd start |
| 19:58.46 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: no, you never need to reboot to use new software, not even kernels anymore |
| 19:59.11 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: just run the command wicd to bring up the window |
| 19:59.23 | Da_Wrecka | ta |
| 19:59.43 | Da_Wrecka | ...oh that's a good start, "No wireless networks found" |
| 19:59.55 | nvz | refresh? |
| 20:00.13 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: oh and check the preferences to see if its using the right interface name |
| 20:00.30 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: defaults to wlan0 which isnt always the interface name |
| 20:00.45 | Da_Wrecka | It didn't have anything in the wireless interface box |
| 20:00.47 | Da_Wrecka | I put wlan0 in there |
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| 20:01.15 | nvz | weird, I swear it had wlan0 in there anytime I installed it. |
| 20:01.21 | Da_Wrecka | It... appears to have locked up. |
| 20:01.23 | malachi_constant | nvz: I want to file a bug, but I'm not sure what against. Behavior changed in pidgin and firefox but not in my rss reader, akregator. What is shared by pidgin and firefox that could be the problem? |
| 20:01.40 | nvz | I wonder if it checks /proc/net/wireless or something during the post-install |
| 20:01.52 | Da_Wrecka | I entered wlan0 in the wireless interface box, checked but didn't change everything else, clicked Refresh, and now it seems to be picking its nose |
| 20:01.57 | nvz | malachi_constant: are you using Lenny? |
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| 20:02.06 | malachi_constant | nvz: Squeeze. |
| 20:02.13 | abrotman | malachi_constant: look at the depends |
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| 20:02.26 | malachi_constant | Good idea! |
| 20:02.29 | nvz | malachi_constant: and you're absolutly sure you're sending the right character from that keyboard? |
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| 20:03.49 | malachi_constant | nvz: absolutely 100% positive. If I click in a place where there is no text fields in firefox the correct behavior happens. What I expect from terminals, ctrl+a moving the cursor to the beginning of the line, only happens when I'm in a text field. |
| 20:03.55 | nvz | I wish I had a squeeze install right now to test that. |
| 20:04.10 | nvz | I installed lenny over it and haven't setup another squeeze box yet |
| 20:04.10 | malachi_constant | And also in all of pidgin - even when I'm in the scrollback. |
| 20:04.26 | malachi_constant | Are you a developer? |
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| 20:04.50 | nvz | I develop heartburn and some minor psychological issues from time to time.. |
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| 20:05.26 | abiko | I have one question regarding php ImageMagick issue |
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| 20:05.39 | abiko | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:05.39 | abiko | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.39 | abiko | E: Broken packages |
| 20:05.49 | abiko | pls.. help.. |
| 20:05.56 | malachi_constant | abrotman: are you on ubuntu? |
| 20:06.11 | malachi_constant | Er wait, lfs? What a weird package name. |
| 20:06.16 | nvz | abiko: stable? |
| 20:06.16 | malachi_constant | Ooof. |
| 20:06.19 | malachi_constant | Let me start over. ;) |
| 20:06.28 | abiko | no.. |
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| 20:06.40 | malachi_constant | abiko: you're running debian? |
| 20:06.51 | abiko | I'm running squeeze/sid |
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| 20:07.07 | abiko | guys at the datacenter screwed my (pardon) and set sid |
| 20:07.25 | abiko | When I requested OS reload - they charge it |
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| 20:07.36 | nvz | abiko: I see.. so this is a remote system, running sid then |
| 20:07.41 | abiko | yes |
| 20:07.48 | abiko | Is there a way I can downgrade to stable ? |
| 20:07.56 | abiko | without OS reload ? |
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| 20:08.15 | nvz | wow, sucks to be you. no there isn't you would have to install in a chroot and then try hop over to that chroot and remove sid |
| 20:08.26 | nvz | would be very tricky maneuver |
| 20:09.13 | abiko | sux |
| 20:09.26 | olpc | if I have the contents of an old /var/lib/mysql (but no dump), how would I restore that data? install old versions of mysqld until I find one that works? |
| 20:09.28 | nvz | abiko: first step I would take in trying to resolve your broken package issue would be finding out if you are fully upgraded to and running sid, and not some bastardized mixture |
| 20:10.06 | nvz | abiko: check your sources.list for starters.. |
| 20:10.53 | abiko | testing main and testing/updates main are enabled |
| 20:11.15 | nvz | abiko: can you pastebin the whole file? |
| 20:11.24 | abiko | sure |
| 20:11.56 | abiko | http://pastebin.com/jCrKFuAQ |
| 20:12.30 | abrotman | abiko: the best you could hope for is to remove all unstable/sid and point at squeeze .. and wait |
| 20:12.48 | nvz | abrotman: seems there are no sid sources in there |
| 20:13.07 | nvz | abiko: what does dpkg -l libc6 say for your libc6 version? |
| 20:13.19 | nvz | ,versions libc6 |
| 20:13.22 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 20:13.48 | abiko | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.50 | nvz | that should tell if you are still partially stable or not |
| 20:14.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ","? |
| 20:14.19 | nvz | ok, well it looks like you're running squeeze cause thats what the sources.list says |
| 20:16.24 | nvz | so, the next things to do would be to check the BTS for php5-imagick (is this spelled correctly?) and also check packages.debian.org for testing's availablity of phpapi-20060613+lfs |
| 20:16.36 | nvz | actually first you may want to do an apt-get update |
| 20:16.41 | nvz | and see if that fixes the problem |
| 20:16.53 | nvz | and remove your stable sources just for the hell of it, cause they're useless now |
| 20:16.58 | nvz | will speed up the process |
| 20:18.01 | abiko | now it says the php5-imagick packaga is not available :) lol |
| 20:18.14 | nvz | haha |
| 20:18.38 | nvz | I'm sensing some love of testing/unstable in here right now |
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| 20:20.01 | abiko | sure :) |
| 20:20.18 | abiko | want to break the techs head off |
| 20:20.20 | abiko | lol |
| 20:20.33 | nvz | abiko: p.d.o does show the same version in both lenny and sid but not squeeze |
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| 20:20.58 | nvz | checks the depends on this package |
| 20:21.06 | abiko | thanks |
| 20:22.05 | abiko | maybe I'll compile PHP from source *gasp* |
| 20:22.14 | Da_Wrecka | shock horror! |
| 20:22.56 | nvz | abiko: I'm thinking you may be able to slide in the stable package since looking at the sid package it is def broken. though you may also be able to do a simple sid backport |
| 20:23.22 | nvz | but since they seem to be the same version, and you're on testing right in the middle and don't have the package available it seems like six in one and half a dozen in the other |
| 20:23.45 | Da_Wrecka | I really wish there was some way to get GNOME to shut the fuck up about importing pictures whenever I insert an SD card |
| 20:24.12 | abiko | omg.. |
| 20:24.22 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: there is. |
| 20:24.38 | Da_Wrecka | how? |
| 20:24.52 | Da_Wrecka | Bearing in mind the checkbox on the box that comes up doesn't seem to do anything |
| 20:25.09 | Da_Wrecka | I can tick the box, click Ignore, remove and reinsert the same card, and it'll nag me again |
| 20:25.17 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: look at gnome-volume-properties |
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| 20:25.54 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: not sure which option specifically will cause "shut the fuck up" but thats where it would be I would imagine |
| 20:26.22 | zp | Hi, what package do I have to install in order to be able to use a tenda twl541p wireless adapter? |
| 20:26.41 | nvz | abiko: maybe you need to put the stable sources back in, and try again |
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| 20:26.45 | soulslayer | hello all i just install debian squeeze on my machine and try to setup xinerama i have matrox g 400 here and just install x11proto-xinerama-dev but when i try to edin my xorg.conf i just found that there is no xorg.conf little google tell me that this is normal and i can write one |
| 20:27.00 | abiko | maybe that is the only way :D |
| 20:27.06 | soulslayer | but if i write ... i wonder shell it behave like normal xorg.conf |
| 20:27.13 | soulslayer | or i must setup X to read it every time |
| 20:27.14 | soulslayer | ? |
| 20:27.16 | nvz | abiko: its in stable, and sid, so you gotta pull it from one or the other |
| 20:27.23 | Da_Wrecka | sigh. Wicd isn't finding my wireless AP, even when I go to "Find hidden network" and enter the name of the AP |
| 20:27.27 | soulslayer | i excuse for the bad english :) |
| 20:27.31 | nsadmin | zp run lspci -nn and find the one line that describes the card, post here |
| 20:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, X -configure |
| 20:27.44 | abiko | good thing my home dir is on a separate partition :D |
| 20:27.57 | nvz | abiko: I wouldn't pull directly from sid, or pin, I'd do a backport, or try get the stable package to install in testing since it seems to be the same version as the one in sid anyhow |
| 20:28.16 | nvz | php is a nightmare |
| 20:28.25 | soulslayer | thank you CutMeOwnThroat i asume that this means that it will behave like it's normal conf file and the X server will read it every time :) |
| 20:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, it's read when it's present |
| 20:28.35 | nvz | I'm happily ignorant to is use, development, and maint |
| 20:29.03 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: is it not finding something iwlist does? |
| 20:29.07 | soulslayer | yep thank you :) i thing i will have more complicated problems then this one :) and will disturb you again soon :) |
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| 20:31.49 | Da_Wrecka | Oh god dammit, now the WNIC isn't working again |
| 20:32.26 | Da_Wrecka | There is a non-hidden network within range and neither iwlist nor wicd shows it up |
| 20:32.58 | nvz | check dmesg for any strange output? |
| 20:33.11 | nvz | floor calibration errors or such |
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| 20:34.47 | Da_Wrecka | The only error I'm seeing is "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
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| 20:35.19 | Da_Wrecka | the rest just seems to be status |
| 20:35.25 | neiljp | anybody recommend a package to synchronise the package lists of two systems? (without removing packages where some extras have been added!) |
| 20:35.39 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: try doing something like ifconfig wlan0 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:35.45 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: then try to scan again |
| 20:35.59 | Da_Wrecka | No scan results |
| 20:36.19 | nvz | if it says no scan results, then its scanning, but not finding anything |
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| 20:36.45 | nvz | otherwise it would say either doesnt support scanning, or that it is not ready |
| 20:36.56 | Da_Wrecka | Except if I plug in my USB adapter, (which isn't worth using because the USB controller is 1.1) that one DOES return scan results |
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| 20:37.20 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: what card is it, and what driver are you using? |
| 20:37.33 | Da_Wrecka | okay, correction; it DID return results last time, now it's just barfing up "network is down" |
| 20:38.17 | Da_Wrecka | The card is a Belkin F5D7010, RTL8185 chipset. The USB thing is an idunno chip. Nintendo USB dongle it is, that's about all I know |
| 20:38.26 | nvz | the ifconfig thing or dhclient on the interface will usually bring it up |
| 20:38.56 | malachi_constant | nvz: anyhow, if you get a squeeze box set up and would like to help me reproduce the bug I'd be very appreciative. |
| 20:39.16 | Da_Wrecka | And now the PC card is returning results ARGH |
| 20:39.24 | Da_Wrecka | All I did was unplug the bloody thing and plug it back in |
| 20:39.25 | themill | neiljp: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" should do that nicely. It just gives you a list of packages that are installed that you can then mark as "should be installed" on a second system |
| 20:39.38 | nvz | malachi_constant: best I could do is setup a virtual box.. and it would probably take half an hour to an hour |
| 20:39.49 | nvz | malachi_constant: someone else probably has one already |
| 20:39.58 | malachi_constant | nods. |
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| 20:40.18 | Da_Wrecka | but wicd is STILL showing no results |
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| 20:40.29 | Da_Wrecka | oh for christ's sake |
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| 20:40.47 | Da_Wrecka | now the PC card has stopped working again |
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| 20:41.36 | neiljp | themill: thanks - that won't remove anything? it just marks new package to install? |
| 20:42.01 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: could you give a detailed lspci -vvv pastebin? |
| 20:42.21 | themill | neiljp: yes. it just gives you a list of packages that are installed from one box and marks them as "to be installed" on the other box |
| 20:42.26 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: seems that is a pcmcia card you have, and people are saying it could be any of three mfg chipsets |
| 20:42.26 | Da_Wrecka | can do, gimme a couple of minutes |
| 20:42.48 | neiljp | themill: brilliant, thanks! |
| 20:42.50 | Da_Wrecka | Debian uses the rtl8180 driver for it by default if that helps |
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| 20:43.14 | neiljp | themill: now if I had just thought to try 'clone' in google, rather then synchronize... |
| 20:43.40 | themill | neiljp: make sure your packages are in a consistent state first i.e. "apt-get autoremove" doesn't want to do anything prior to using |
| 20:43.43 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: yeah most people are saying they have to use ndiswrapper, but apparently in different revisions of the card it uses broadcom, realtek, or atheros |
| 20:45.00 | Da_Wrecka | okay, this is being infuriatingly inconsistent |
| 20:45.25 | Da_Wrecka | If I remove the card then put it back in, then iwlist scan returns a couple of APs for about sixty seconds afterwards |
| 20:45.37 | Da_Wrecka | And then it starts returning "no scan results" with no changes in between |
| 20:45.55 | nvz | the card does a reset of some kind |
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| 20:46.14 | nvz | its wild that the kernel never spits any errors about it to dmesg |
| 20:46.27 | soulslayer | i have such problem with atheros card and after update with a new driver everything's fine |
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| 20:46.57 | soulslayer | i have other problem it's seems that the matrox driver does nog support the new version of X server in squeeze packege |
| 20:47.09 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: yeah at this point without any errors specifically we're down to trying a newer kernel or ndiswrapper. |
| 20:47.14 | soulslayer | does some one have an idea ... how to setup my xinerama now |
| 20:47.24 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: there is likely a 2.6.3x kernel in backports you can fetch easily |
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| 20:47.48 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: I'm guessing you have 2.6.26 now.. |
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| 20:48.10 | Da_Wrecka | dammit... what's the command to find out again? uname -r? |
| 20:48.18 | nvz | yes |
| 20:48.20 | Da_Wrecka | yes, it's 2.6.26 |
| 20:49.34 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: which one, the 686? |
| 20:49.47 | Da_Wrecka | yes |
| 20:49.55 | Da_Wrecka | Good guess |
| 20:50.01 | nvz | maybe try installing the linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686 |
| 20:50.11 | Da_Wrecka | (he says, not knowing whether there's anything past 686) |
| 20:50.31 | nvz | though with more info we could probably get to the root of the problem quicker |
| 20:51.04 | Da_Wrecka | lspci -vvv right? |
| 20:51.06 | nvz | there is amd64, 686-bigmem.. etc |
| 20:51.41 | nvz | well yeah, I'm hoping that with a full detailed lspci we can get some specifics on which revision that card is and which chipset it is specifically |
| 20:51.47 | Da_Wrecka | This is an old system, AMD64 is right out, 686-bigmem is almost certainly out too |
| 20:52.05 | Da_Wrecka | It's a Pentium 2 with 192MB RAM |
| 20:52.07 | nvz | then track down its overall progress as far as kernel support for it |
| 20:52.25 | Da_Wrecka | Gimme a mo and I'll have the lspci output on pastebin |
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| 20:52.48 | nvz | can also just take the thing out and flip it over |
| 20:52.53 | nvz | and see what revision it is |
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| 20:53.10 | Da_Wrecka | The WNIC revision? 7000uk |
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| 20:54.29 | stuckey | Where can I get the information thunderbird needs to use my webmail in thunderbird? The webmail I use doesn't seem to have it listed anywhere. Could I get it from a message header? |
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| 20:55.33 | dkr | no, you need to use POP or IMAP |
| 20:55.41 | Da_Wrecka | nvz: http://www.pastebin.org/101348 |
| 20:56.01 | stuckey | dkr: but where do I find the addresses? |
| 20:56.25 | dkr | mesage headers are for SMTP the protocol use dfor sending mail to your server. you use pop or imap to fetch them from your mail server. they are usually named pop.domain or mail.domain |
| 20:56.31 | jhutchins | stuckey: What is your webmail? A web interface from your IRC? Something you set up? |
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| 20:56.46 | stuckey | jhutchins: just found it - dreamhost though |
| 20:58.00 | jhutchins | "dreamhost" doesn't mean anything to me, although it sounds like it might be a hosting company... |
| 20:58.09 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 21:01.03 | nvz | Da_Wrecka: idk, seems like the only luck anyone has had with that card is ndiswrapper. the Madfifi notes on it say "I haven't tried it yet.... would be an exercise in futility" to paraphrase |
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| 21:03.04 | soulslayer | i have other problem it's seems that the matrox driver does nog support the new version of X server in squeeze packege |
| 21:03.19 | soulslayer | can some one give a hand here how to setup the xinerama withoud the driver |
| 21:03.24 | soulslayer | or how to lie the driver |
| 21:03.25 | soulslayer | .. |
| 21:03.42 | stuckey | jhutchins: I found the pop information. I put it in, but icedove says the login information is wrong. I've checked it twice, and it's correct. |
| 21:03.52 | nvz | I seem to need a nap, I feel like I'm about to crash. Idk why but I've not been able to sleep or stay up very long lately. I probably managed 5hrs last night which is the most I've had in awhile and it wasn't entirely uninterrupted. Probably got up twice and ate a banana and got a drink. I've been up 10hours now and feel like I'm about to pass out |
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| 21:04.46 | dkr | nvz: exercise |
| 21:04.57 | nvz | yeah.. I need a job |
| 21:05.18 | dkr | no, jobs are bad for your health. :) |
| 21:05.20 | nvz | its too cold to go out.. and exercize. normally I do a LOT of walking, hiking.. etc |
| 21:05.26 | soulslayer | yeah job is nice idea for the first week |
| 21:05.27 | soulslayer | :D |
| 21:05.44 | soulslayer | i sugest you something strong to drink |
| 21:05.46 | nvz | its just been f'n freezing.. so I haven't been even for a walk to the store much lately |
| 21:05.48 | soulslayer | resolve all problems |
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| 21:06.22 | lhx | anyone in on the sc2 beta? |
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| 21:06.33 | nvz | lhx: the what? |
| 21:07.27 | Da_Wrecka | Starcraft 2 beta, I would assume |
| 21:07.30 | abrotman | lhx: wrong channel ? |
| 21:07.52 | zp | nsadmin: I need to get this working: 02:05.0 Ethernet controller(0200) : Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335(Liber Tas) 802.11b/g Wireless (11 ab : 1faa)rev 03 |
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| 21:08.12 | zp | (lspci -nn output) |
| 21:09.07 | abrotman | judd: pciid 11ab:1faa |
| 21:09.09 | judd | [11ab:1faa] is '88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:1faa |
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| 21:10.17 | jhutchins | stuckey: Sounds like it's between you and dreamhost to work it out. |
| 21:10.22 | zp | I need it for the stable version |
| 21:10.27 | Da_Wrecka | okay, the .30 kernel didn't help. |
| 21:10.32 | LobbyZ | Hello, i'm running Debian 5.0 and i've been getting these after a network crash; |
| 21:10.32 | LobbyZ | Mar 4 21:21:45 dedi kernel: __ratelimit: 2493 callbacks suppressed |
| 21:10.32 | LobbyZ | Mar 4 21:21:45 dedi kernel: dst cache overflow |
| 21:10.34 | Da_Wrecka | ndiswrapper doesn't seem to want to cooperate... |
| 21:10.35 | LobbyZ | How do i fix it? |
| 21:10.41 | LobbyZ | i'm a complete noob at linux btw |
| 21:10.45 | nvz | zp: there is said to be a mrv3885 driver in the works, but in the meantime ndiswrapper is the only option it seems |
| 21:11.25 | nvz | !noob |
| 21:11.25 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 21:11.34 | zp | and what should I do to install ndiswrapper? |
| 21:11.53 | LobbyZ | ok but you could've just spent that time trying to help me instead of explaining that i shouldnt call myself a noob |
| 21:11.55 | gothenburg | :D |
| 21:11.59 | k\t | imma gnub |
| 21:12.02 | nvz | zp: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/marvell-88w8335-chipset-netgear-wg311-pcicard-driver/ |
| 21:12.26 | nvz | seems to be a howto for that card on debian/ubuntu |
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| 21:14.17 | zp | thank you |
| 21:14.24 | LobbyZ | so how do i fix a dst cache overflow then? |
| 21:14.32 | nvz | If I don't take a nap, I'm gonna have to eat as its 4pm and I've been up and haven't eaten since around 6am.. and I will surely pass out if I eat |
| 21:14.55 | nvz | I keep seeing spots/shadows mostly in the corners of my vision |
| 21:15.11 | nsadmin | nvz: keep the carbs way down |
| 21:15.23 | nsadmin | or sleep |
| 21:15.44 | nvz | banana, coca~cola, and a cigarette? lol |
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| 21:16.00 | nsadmin | yep you'll pass out |
| 21:16.00 | simonrvn | nvz: i'm not a n00b, man. FFSWTFBBQ! |
| 21:16.15 | nvz | simonrvn: BBQ? |
| 21:16.29 | nsadmin | yay! BBQ! |
| 21:16.29 | nvz | simonrvn: isn't that a cook out with sauce on everything? |
| 21:16.30 | LobbyZ | ..right |
| 21:16.32 | simonrvn | nvz: having a cook-off :P |
| 21:16.39 | simonrvn | nvz: yup |
| 21:16.52 | LobbyZ | so how do i fix a dst cache overflow? |
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| 21:17.11 | simonrvn | dst cache overflow? hmm |
| 21:17.26 | nsadmin | LobbyZ find out why it's happening and what's causing it |
| 21:17.34 | simonrvn | i'd say you have a kernel bug |
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| 21:18.00 | leg- | I want to completely remove kde so I ran apt-get remove kdm kde-core (which I installed) but after a reboot kdm still pops up and loads kde... |
| 21:18.03 | LobbyZ | Well i only run one program uses some 500 connections all the time |
| 21:18.10 | simonrvn | could be h/w too, but not likely unless the firmware fried |
| 21:18.26 | LobbyZ | It worked fine on my VPS but when i switched over to the dedi, it started to fail |
| 21:18.52 | LobbyZ | i also get this problem, Mar 4 21:21:45 dedi kernel: __ratelimit: 2493 callbacks suppressed |
| 21:19.18 | simonrvn | that's not a problem, that's telling you it supressed 2493 messages |
| 21:19.23 | nvz | the two errors seem related to NAT / iptables to me |
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| 21:19.48 | LobbyZ | But i've only added IPs |
| 21:19.52 | nvz | but I have no idea what a dst cache is so.. |
| 21:19.57 | simonrvn | it could be an iptables module bug too (that was my first thought actually) |
| 21:20.01 | nvz | and networking isn't my bag. |
| 21:20.02 | simonrvn | destination cache |
| 21:20.16 | LobbyZ | I've never touched iptables |
| 21:20.20 | simonrvn | caches dsts |
| 21:20.20 | nvz | </austin powers> |
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| 21:20.32 | LobbyZ | the only time i touched the network is when i added assigned IPs |
| 21:20.32 | simonrvn | my bag's tired |
| 21:20.50 | nsadmin | get a box! |
| 21:20.54 | nvz | haha |
| 21:21.02 | simonrvn | so's the box. pretty sad. |
| 21:21.03 | nvz | got plenty of those |
| 21:21.12 | leg- | hm nobody that can help me with my kde problem? |
| 21:21.14 | LobbyZ | I got a box |
| 21:21.20 | nsadmin | replace a bag with a box |
| 21:21.45 | simonrvn | leg-: kde-core wasn't the only kde thing there obviously |
| 21:22.07 | leg- | how can I check which other parts need to be removed? |
| 21:22.14 | simonrvn | aptitude |
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| 21:22.47 | themill | !remove kde |
| 21:22.47 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 21:23.08 | themill | leg-: is this etch or lenny or ...? |
| 21:23.12 | gothenburg | oh |
| 21:23.15 | leg- | lenny, netinstall |
| 21:23.23 | gothenburg | I allways used apt-get remove --purge |
| 21:23.25 | gothenburg | :oi |
| 21:23.45 | nsadmin | gothenburg: time to get used to aptitude |
| 21:23.47 | leg- | thanks for the help themill, trying it as we speak |
| 21:23.56 | gothenburg | $ apt-get remove kde* --purge |
| 21:23.59 | gothenburg | nsadmin: never :( |
| 21:24.01 | themill | leg-: "apt-get autoremove" or "aptitude purge ~g" might be needed. |
| 21:24.10 | LobbyZ | Is there a way to clean a dst cache overflow? |
| 21:24.11 | themill | dpkg: tell gothenburg about why aptitude |
| 21:24.37 | gothenburg | aldrig att jag kommer att kunna använda den |
| 21:24.40 | themill | leg-: for future reference, use aptitude for these things and it will do more of this automagically for you. |
| 21:24.41 | nsadmin | apt-get is and was nothign more than a test of the apt libs |
| 21:24.44 | gothenburg | jag är för invand med apt-get |
| 21:24.51 | themill | gothenburg: ELANG. |
| 21:25.06 | gothenburg | ;p |
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| 21:25.13 | leg- | ok themill, I must confece I dont know how to work with aptitude but i'll take a look at in for future usage |
| 21:25.16 | macrobat | gothenburg: engelska, tack |
| 21:25.22 | leg- | seems like a handy gui |
| 21:25.32 | themill | leg-: "aptitude install kde" ; "aptitude remove kde" would have been enough. |
| 21:25.35 | gothenburg | macrobat: nein |
| 21:25.41 | leg- | I see |
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| 21:27.24 | yagoo | leg-, , it's confess, fece is a bad word |
| 21:27.44 | k23z__ | if I make a package will it be included in the repos ? |
| 21:27.51 | k23z__ | suppose I make a .deb package |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | it has to pass policy and either be sponsored or you become a DD/DM |
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| 21:28.12 | k23z__ | can I get an outline of the process which needs to take place if/before it gets in some repo ? |
| 21:28.16 | k23z__ | please don't send me to docs |
| 21:28.26 | nvz | haha |
| 21:28.29 | k23z__ | just give me a quick outline of what eligibility criteria is |
| 21:28.38 | nvz | he just did |
| 21:28.53 | k23z__ | yeah, a bit more detailed |
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| 21:28.57 | themill | k23z__: the process is all about meeting the criteria that is set out in the DFSG and policy. If you can't be bothered reading them, you'll not be making good packages. |
| 21:28.58 | k23z__ | but *NOT TOO* detailed |
| 21:29.03 | abrotman | k23z__: you have to read the docs .. no one here is going to walk you through doing a package |
| 21:29.21 | yagoo | k23z__, you can make yourself a lawyer without any law book, but you'll be a madman in the jungle |
| 21:29.22 | LobbyZ | i like these gigantic man pages |
| 21:29.46 | nvz | LobbyZ: ooo, talk dirty to me.. |
| 21:29.55 | k23z__ | no no , no man pages please |
| 21:30.00 | k23z__ | waves hands |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | then the answer is no |
| 21:30.13 | gothenburg | man |
| 21:30.15 | nvz | k23z__: http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 21:30.15 | k23z__ | no what |
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| 21:30.28 | abrotman | k23z__: you'll have to file an RFP and wait for someone else to do it |
| 21:30.30 | nvz | its not a manpage |
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| 21:30.51 | abrotman | nvz: he's not interested in reading |
| 21:30.57 | k23z__ | what the f*** , I'm lazy , I don't like to read docs because I already read a lot of irrelevant crap |
| 21:31.03 | yagoo | k23z__, the debian manual policy is our religion, you must read it in order to be accepted |
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| 21:31.10 | abrotman | then don't .. don't do the damn package |
| 21:31.14 | k23z__ | yagoo: in the church of debian right ? |
| 21:31.19 | nvz | abrotman: well then what the hell is he doing on IRC? does he got microsoft sam reading his damn chat? |
| 21:31.21 | LobbyZ | lazy? |
| 21:31.22 | yagoo | k23z__, rtfm! |
| 21:31.23 | k23z__ | abrotman: ok I won't do any package |
| 21:31.23 | yagoo | lol |
| 21:31.31 | k23z__ | yagoo: smfb !!! |
| 21:31.32 | themill | k23z__: there is nothing in debian policy that is irrelevant crap. It's all tightly written and carefully crafted and there for a reason. |
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| 21:42.38 | stockholm | themill: are you a dd? |
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| 21:43.06 | themill | stockholm: I maintain several packages in the archive, but I am not a DD |
| 21:43.18 | stockholm | ok, cool |
| 21:43.34 | stockholm | just wondering sinc you have THE POWER TO KICK :-) |
| 21:43.52 | stockholm | and i didnt recognize your nick |
| 21:44.34 | nsadmin | the PICKER OF KOWS? |
| 21:45.00 | themill | sends stockholm back off to fix some uml bugs |
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| 21:45.47 | themill | :) |
| 21:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess the kick was pure kindness.... preventing that he does more unnecessary reading on #d? |
| 21:46.37 | Bahe | the old stable is still supported? (just wondering) |
| 21:46.46 | greycat | etch security support has ended |
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| 21:47.30 | nsadmin | greycat when did that happen? |
| 21:47.35 | greycat | a few weeks ago |
| 21:47.42 | Bahe | oh fine |
| 21:47.43 | themill | subscribes nsadmin to d-s-a |
| 21:48.12 | benjamindees | is it too much to ask that dpkg check to see if a service exists in the current runlevel before starting it after a package upgrade? |
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| 21:49.15 | adb | !tell nsadmin -about etch |
| 21:49.31 | borman | I'm on lenny it is recommended to installing grub 2 if you don't have ext4 file system? |
| 21:49.46 | nsadmin | benjamindees at this point that would be separate code in each packaging, or somehow factored into debhelper |
| 21:49.47 | themill | benjamindees: that should be the current behaviour, but upgrading a package can reinstate the symlinks for the runlevel if you've only removed them rather than changing them from S to K |
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| 21:50.25 | benjamindees | themill, checked that already; symlinks are still gone |
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| 21:50.49 | abrotman | stockholm: FWIW .. many people here with chanops haven't been DDs and some still are not |
| 21:51.08 | nsadmin | daemontools had a good idea, touch /service/<name>/down |
| 21:51.45 | themill | benjamindees: which package have you seen this with? |
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| 21:52.17 | benjamindees | themill, network-manager |
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| 21:53.14 | nsadmin | does nm still not read/write /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | stockholm: Like most support channels, this is mostly fellow users who asked their question and then stuck around. |
| 21:53.41 | benjamindees | nsadmin, I don't know but it hoses my wifi essid for some reason |
| 21:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | stockholm: Since Debian is community based, rather than corporate, there's even less of a centralized authority structure. |
| 21:53.59 | themill | benjamindees: squeeze? |
| 21:54.03 | benjamindees | themill, yep |
| 21:54.11 | pishguy | hi all, |
| 21:54.14 | pishguy | Please identify the program for me about mysql |
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| 21:54.31 | nsadmin | !search |
| 21:54.31 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 21:54.40 | themill | benjamindees: I've not looked at n-m in squeeze.... but the policy-rc.d documentation says that things shouldn't get started out of runlevel. |
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| 21:54.59 | stockholm | abrotman, jhutchins_lt: i think thats great. |
| 21:55.17 | abrotman | stockholm: though, i'd love to see more DDs hanging out around these parts :) |
| 21:55.27 | themill | benjamindees: or at least, the docs say that in lenny. You might want to check the current docs |
| 21:55.30 | macrobat | borman: if you are happy with grub-legacy, use it. i think grub2 lacks in documentation |
| 21:55.36 | jhutchins_lt | stockholm: It's good, but some people do come in here and demand to speak to a manager who will fix their software RIGHT NOW! |
| 21:55.45 | abrotman | manager? |
| 21:56.00 | stockholm | abrotman: md redirected the people from #debian-devel here, so there might be some chance for that :-) |
| 21:56.04 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: The abstract equivalent thereof. |
| 21:56.17 | stockholm | jhutchins_lt: funny... |
| 21:56.36 | themill | stockholm: I wish Md would stay around here and answer some udev lenny->squeeze questions :S |
| 21:56.43 | stockholm | :-) |
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| 21:56.57 | stockholm | i usually /msg him for those :-) |
| 21:57.31 | abrotman | stockholm: not an awful idea, though we rarely directed people there anyway |
| 21:58.18 | abrotman | though i'd imagine if the people that were headed there wanted to be here, they'd have come here in the first place |
| 21:58.21 | benjamindees | I figured that most devs hide in their respective channels at irc.debian.org these days.. |
| 21:58.26 | yagoo | i reportbugged for mathml and someone made stixfonts or similar named package to the repo, i can't seem to find it in the squeeze repo.. |
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| 22:01.13 | themill | benjamindees: do you have invoke-rc.d in your path somewhere? |
| 22:01.57 | benjamindees | themill, I hope not |
| 22:02.24 | themill | benjamindees: umm.... you should. |
| 22:02.41 | benjamindees | oh, then yeah I do |
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| 22:02.54 | themill | (it's part of sysv-rc) |
| 22:03.05 | benjamindees | yeah I kind of assumed it was a directory or something |
| 22:03.37 | yagoo | nm.. i found it :) |
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| 22:04.18 | themill | benjamindees: lack of invoke-rc.d is the only case where the init script gets called directly, and the docs I have for invoke-rc.d/policy-rc.d say that they shouldn't do out-of-runlevel service starts like that. |
| 22:04.52 | abrotman | themill for DPL! |
| 22:05.18 | benjamindees | I thought we were an autonomous collective? |
| 22:06.47 | greycat | You are all individuals! |
| 22:06.58 | themill | !lart abrotman |
| 22:06.59 | dpkg | gives abrotman an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending abrotman to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
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| 22:07.47 | abrotman | themill for benevolent dictator! |
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| 22:10.18 | benjamindees | themill, could it be that the gnome update manager did it? |
| 22:10.33 | themill | benjamindees: shouldn't have done so, no. |
| 22:10.42 | benjamindees | actually, nevermind I'll just test a few things and brb |
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| 22:14.09 | raul__ | hello folks |
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| 22:14.56 | raul__ | can someone give a hand with a grub error 21 and a sata disk ? |
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| 22:15.58 | benjamindees | something called "insserv" appears to be the culprit |
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| 22:17.07 | stuckey | Is there anyway to get icedove to sync. the messages it has on the mail server, i.e., mark them as read when I read them? |
| 22:17.22 | stuckey | *the messages it downloads with the messages on the mail server |
| 22:17.38 | pishguy | Please identify program for MYSQL STUDIO managment |
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| 22:18.51 | macrobat | i chrooted to a sid installation from a lenny one, trying to install an older kernel, but mkinitramfs fails: http://paste.debian.net/62479/ |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | stuckey: this is called .. IMAP |
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| 22:21.00 | nooper | "Need to get 168MB of archives. After unpacking 14.9MB will be used." Shouldn't the size be bigger after unpacking? |
| 22:21.05 | jhutchins_lt | pishguy: http://www.google.com |
| 22:21.25 | macrobat | raul__: what _is_ grub error 21? |
| 22:21.34 | themill | nooper: not when you're upgrading or removing packages |
| 22:21.51 | nooper | oh |
| 22:22.08 | raul__ | error 21 is something like : no disk |
| 22:22.21 | macrobat | raul__: you would have to give more info, pastebin your menu.lst and such |
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| 22:22.45 | themill | benjamindees: dependency-based init... I don't know how policy-rc.d and runlevels fit in with that |
| 22:23.05 | macrobat | raul__: your /etc/fstab and your partition shceme |
| 22:23.22 | raul__ | hmmm... im at my netbook right now, my desktop computer doesnt boot.. :( |
| 22:24.55 | macrobat | raul__: that is why they invented live-cds. http://grml.org/ is nice. maybe you can boot your desktop from an usb stick |
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| 22:25.37 | raul__ | grml.org... i didnt knew that one but i have ubuntu live cd......... |
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| 22:26.45 | macrobat | ubuntu will work i guess, grml have more tools |
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| 22:28.46 | raul__ | heres what... i have a multi-boot system.... windows, debian (wich i use the most) ubuntu.....i installed kubuntu 9.10 and grub2 screwde my mbr, so i installed again ubuntu 8.10 in the same partition, but now if i try to boot to my deban installation on my sata disk i get error 21 :( |
| 22:29.01 | aarkerio | hi, how to change sound device? |
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| 22:30.18 | raul__ | @ aarkerio - try in control center |
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| 22:30.56 | aarkerio | thx! |
| 22:32.20 | raul__ | well, now i install ubuntu 8.10 like i did a lot of times and it doesnt even shows grub menu !! i only get loading stage 1.5 grub error 21 |
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| 22:35.09 | raul__ | hey macrobat can grml detect sata disks and fix my grub ? i tried with super grub and no luck ! |
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| 22:37.23 | macrobat | raul__: maybe your mbr is overritten and grub cant find the partitions. is the latest grub you installed, installed from ubuntu? |
| 22:38.23 | raul__ | yes i guess so.........at least when i install i tell it to install to the mbr of the first disk as always |
| 22:39.02 | macrobat | there is a tool called "testdisk" on grml that can restore partitions |
| 22:39.17 | raul__ | i tried GAG , but GAG cant "see" my sata disk |
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| 22:40.42 | raul__ | theis is frustrating, ive been like this for a week, dont know if theres something wrog with my motherboard disk contrlores or what the hell is going on here |
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| 22:41.51 | macrobat | anyway, before and after you install grubs and partition disks, you can make a copy of the mbr, save it somewhere other than the computer you are messing with |
| 22:43.17 | raul__ | i tried to reinstall debian on same sata disk, only overwriting the / partiton, i have /home in a separate one in the same disk, and before it showed grub menu, i tweaked it and it booted ok but now i only get grub error 21, |
| 22:43.34 | macrobat | i think ubuntu has a patched grub, i dont know if the error messages are the same in ubuntu and debian |
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| 22:43.39 | cn | hi |
| 22:43.48 | cn | can someone help me install eclipse? |
| 22:43.55 | cn | i'm facing this problem: org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: XPCOM error -2147467262 |
| 22:44.12 | zleap | cn have you entered that in to google ? |
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| 22:44.19 | cn | i've already tried "-Dorg.eclipse.swt.browser.XULRunnerPath=/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/xulrunner" as option - no luck. |
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| 22:44.49 | raul__ | but the grub im reinstallig is not grub2.... is legacy grub used in ubuntu 8.10 |
| 22:45.05 | cn | using the "org.eclipse.ui/showIntro=false" works, but breaks the Software Install menu - and i need to install EclipseCDT :-( |
| 22:45.29 | cn | zleap: sure, more than once. |
| 22:45.39 | raul__ | im sorry cn but i have no knowledge about eclipse |
| 22:45.40 | zleap | ok |
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| 22:46.21 | zleap | cn, ok, no problem |
| 22:47.21 | macrobat | im installing eclipse, will se in a few secs :) |
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| 22:47.34 | macrobat | s#se#see# |
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| 22:50.59 | macrobat | im getting a "udev requires a mounted sysfs, not started. failed!" when installing eclipse, might be unrelated |
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| 22:51.24 | macrobat | eclipse wont start right. "JVM terminated. Exit code=127" |
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| 22:51.34 | macrobat | im going to uninstall :) |
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| 22:52.46 | cn | macrobat: that's it? |
| 22:53.19 | cn | has given up using the debian package |
| 22:53.57 | cn | seems i have to run through the same tarball install like 2 years ago. |
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| 22:55.09 | raul__ | http://edivad.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/debian-eclipse-and-exit-code-127/ |
| 22:55.21 | raul__ | hope it helps |
| 22:55.23 | macrobat | i dont know really. are you on lenny, cn ? |
| 22:56.12 | xcn | sid |
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| 23:03.50 | xcn | macrobat: tarball install works right away. |
| 23:04.20 | macrobat | ah, i'll use that if i try eclipse on sid |
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| 23:06.06 | macrobat | about mount --bind and chroot: do i have to give mount the fs type when i do like "mount --bind /sys /mnt/sid/sys" ? |
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| 23:07.00 | titan8990 | macrobat: shouldn't it be -o bind? |
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| 23:07.31 | macrobat | maybe both work |
| 23:07.33 | raul__ | could it be mount -t ext2 for exemple ? |
| 23:07.57 | titan8990 | macrobat: with dev its usually: mount -o bind dev /mnt/dev |
| 23:08.05 | macrobat | this lenny man page says "mount --bind olddir newdir" |
| 23:08.23 | titan8990 | macrobat: but if it were like proc it would look like: mount -t none sys /mnt/sys |
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| 23:10.24 | macrobat | under -t in man mount there is no sysfs, there is a proc and a tmpfs |
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| 23:11.05 | raul__ | well see you guys, and thanks for your time, ill keep on searching..........dam grub thing |
| 23:11.17 | macrobat | mount says i have bindmounted /sys /proc and /dev |
| 23:11.35 | macrobat | raul__: "testdisk" if nothing else helps |
| 23:11.50 | MariachiAC | Hello. Does the latest Debian cd of testing work with brltty? I installed Debian lenny, but have been facing problems when upgrading to debian testing. Udev doe not install and it tells me to upgrade the kernel first since something is nolonger supported in the newer kernel. I upgrade to the latest kernel before installing udev, but linux-2.6.32-trunk-686 does not boot. It hangs. |
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| 23:12.43 | titan8990 | MariachiAC: why squeeze? |
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| 23:13.04 | OltreIrc`51996 | ciao |
| 23:13.05 | OltreIrc`51996 | hi |
| 23:13.07 | OltreIrc`51996 | !list |
| 23:13.08 | dpkg | oltreirc`51996: VATTENE VIA |
| 23:13.10 | macrobat | i'm chrooted and i'm trying to install a kernel: http://paste.debian.net/62482/ i have no net with the installed kernels |
| 23:13.15 | macrobat | OltreIrc`51996: :) |
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| 23:13.31 | SimManiac | !list |
| 23:13.31 | dpkg | simmaniac: VATTENE VIA |
| 23:13.34 | SimManiac | ? |
| 23:13.45 | adb | hehe |
| 23:13.46 | MariachiAC | titan8990: because I'd like to use a more up-to-date set of software. |
| 23:13.58 | titan8990 | macrobat: sid machine that hasn't upgraded in a while? |
| 23:14.04 | macrobat | SimManiac: italians do that, thats why dpkg tells them of in italian |
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| 23:14.40 | macrobat | titan8990: new mobo (proc and memory) |
| 23:14.44 | SimManiac | but what's the "list" keyword for |
| 23:14.45 | SimManiac | ? |
| 23:15.02 | adb | ask italians |
| 23:15.09 | macrobat | list files that ppl are willing to share, it is pirate stuff |
| 23:15.14 | titan8990 | MariachiAC: imo, you should use a distro that provides more up-to-date software in their *stable* release if a bleeding edge OS is not what you desire. Squeeze is only semi-supported and especially not for people who need support getting it installed |
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| 23:16.05 | nsadmin | SimManiac on the other hand debian is willing to share about 20,000 different software packages |
| 23:16.05 | MariachiAC | titan8990: ok. |
| 23:16.05 | benjamindees | all the best BBS porn used to come from Italian pirates.. |
| 23:16.31 | PinkFreud | nsadmin: hopefully not via irc |
| 23:16.39 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 23:16.59 | macrobat | there was some kernel version that didnt have the firmware for this Ethernet controller |
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| 23:17.05 | nsadmin | ascii stick figure porn? maan, I been missing out!! |
| 23:17.07 | SimManiac | titan8990: I've never had any problem with squeeze |
| 23:18.20 | PinkFreud | SimManiac: whether or not you have had problems with squeeze is immaterial. titan8990's point was that it's not released, nor is it well supported yet. If you're using squeeze at this point, you're largely expected to be able to fix problems yourself, or report them in the appropriate places. |
| 23:18.24 | titan8990 | SimManiac: that is you. others have suffered numerous bugs. freeze has not happened because of the large number of release-critical bugs. that besides the fact sometimes packages are plain missing, or w/e. If you want to run squeeze and can support yourself for the most part go for it. just hope your making helpful bug reports when problems do occur |
| 23:18.28 | nsadmin | that says nothing about what will happen today or beyond |
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| 23:19.30 | benjamindees | has a list of 15 bugs so far |
| 23:19.48 | SimManiac | titan8990: have you ever looked into the so-called RC bugs? |
| 23:19.55 | nsadmin | and if you fix problems, it's a good thing to contribute the fix back |
| 23:19.57 | titan8990 | and the dds have a list of over 300 relase critical bugs |
| 23:19.58 | SimManiac | they're not like critical security bugs |
| 23:20.01 | macrobat | what is the best way to help with bugs if you are not a coder? |
| 23:20.11 | SimManiac | they're like "fix first line of changelog because it doesn't say Debian" |
| 23:20.17 | PinkFreud | macrobat: at the very least, report any you find. |
| 23:20.22 | SimManiac | most of them are stupid political "bugs" |
| 23:20.23 | benjamindees | macrobat, verify them and bug the maintainers |
| 23:20.35 | PinkFreud | benjamindees: wouldn't that make him a bug? *duck* |
| 23:20.38 | nsadmin | the maintainers are bugs?! |
| 23:20.49 | titan8990 | SimManiac: yes, debian is historically of very high quality |
| 23:20.51 | macrobat | i havent really found new ones. have been running sid since may |
| 23:21.14 | SimManiac | titan8990: my personal experience is: debian testing is >= stable than any "bleeding edge" distro |
| 23:21.19 | SimManiac | like fedora, centos, or whatever |
| 23:21.39 | nsadmin | and historically a bit behind versionwise... for a server that's usually just fine |
| 23:21.47 | SimManiac | and it supports tons more hardware and has more packages :) |
| 23:21.48 | titan8990 | centos is not bleeding edge... its production ready hitting the same niche as debian |
| 23:21.53 | SimManiac | nsadmin: it was long time ago |
| 23:22.03 | SimManiac | there were 2 releases that lasted like forever |
| 23:22.08 | benjamindees | political bugs are important; debian admins are lazy and don't like fixing broken scripts |
| 23:22.35 | SimManiac | benjamindees: yes, but calling them "release critical bugs" may scare people |
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| 23:22.54 | SimManiac | they could think "zomfg this debian thing is crazy, it has TONS of critical bugs" |
| 23:23.07 | SimManiac | well, fuck them |
| 23:23.09 | nsadmin | perhaps it should... debian doesn't release with rc bugs |
| 23:23.10 | SimManiac | anyway :) |
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| 23:23.36 | titan8990 | and they don't freeze with > 300 |
| 23:23.42 | SimManiac | nsadmin: I'm not criticising The Way Debian Des It (tm) since we all know is The Only One (R) |
| 23:23.54 | SimManiac | i just made an statement |
| 23:24.00 | benjamindees | good. fine then. glad we agree. |
| 23:24.03 | SimManiac | I'm completely comfortable with the way things are by no9w :) |
| 23:24.12 | nsadmin | and a error! |
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| 23:24.27 | SimManiac | what is an error? |
| 23:24.29 | macrobat | so, how do i install a kernel while chrooted? |
| 23:24.46 | nsadmin | "an statement" and "a error" are both errors |
| 23:24.46 | SimManiac | hm |
| 23:24.49 | titan8990 | macrobat: aptitude install <kernel> |
| 23:24.55 | macrobat | :( |
| 23:25.10 | SimManiac | nsadmin: so it's "a statement"? |
| 23:25.17 | nsadmin | yeah :) |
| 23:25.17 | SimManiac | well, sorry. My english is not very good :) |
| 23:25.23 | nsadmin | dpm |
| 23:25.32 | SimManiac | dpm? |
| 23:25.45 | nsadmin | don't be, mine's not the best always ether |
| 23:25.51 | SimManiac | in spanish that would mean something like "Fucking great" lol |
| 23:26.08 | SimManiac | anyway, about the chroot thing |
| 23:26.19 | SimManiac | you should copy all libs & binaries needed to the chrooted environment |
| 23:26.20 | macrobat | SimManiac: "an" before vowel _sound_ 'a' before consonant _sound_ |
| 23:26.26 | nsadmin | in the chroot, do you have a debian there? or what's in the chroot? |
| 23:26.33 | themill | SimManiac: most of the rc-bugs really are problems... run "rc-alert" and get a list of them and read their titles. They are mostly not the sorts of things that you describe. |
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| 23:27.19 | SimManiac | macrobat: yes, but I thought that as "statement" starts with a vowelish sound (eh-statement), it may apply the rule of using "an" |
| 23:27.30 | nsadmin | when I run rc-alert it switches my teevee to the nearest cop show and sounds a big siren |
| 23:27.44 | macrobat | SimManiac: you are thinking in espanish |
| 23:28.01 | macrobat | im joining #debian-offtopic |
| 23:28.24 | titan8990 | macrobat: no need to announce, the regulars are always there |
| 23:28.28 | SimManiac | macrobat: in spanish we don't have such things as changing the articles depending on what character does the next word begin |
| 23:28.28 | gnusosa | He sure is, ese. |
| 23:28.28 | SimManiac | :P |
| 23:28.50 | benjamindees | th wy nglsh gs s lk cnsnnt vwl cnsnnt vwl nd snc thr r nly fv vwls th cnsnnts rn't rlly tht mprtnt |
| 23:29.00 | SimManiac | gnusosa: what? |
| 23:29.02 | nsadmin | but you do change it based on plurality and gender |
| 23:29.31 | SimManiac | yes, to match plurality and gender to the noun |
| 23:29.34 | SimManiac | but it's always the same |
| 23:29.49 | SimManiac | it doesn't change depending on *what* word is next |
| 23:30.00 | SimManiac | just "changes" depending on its plurality and gender |
| 23:30.01 | benjamindees | s/cnsnnts/vwls/ |
| 23:30.16 | nsadmin | I havent' studied spanish lately |
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| 23:31.02 | SimManiac | nsadmin: neither do I : D |
| 23:31.21 | nsadmin | I'm sure spanish conjugation is as hard for engl speakers as vise versa |
| 23:31.38 | SimManiac | nsadmin: for english speakers is harder to learn spanish conjugation |
| 23:31.46 | SimManiac | in english there are 3 tenses |
| 23:31.51 | SimManiac | in spanish are like 12 or 15 |
| 23:31.58 | SimManiac | anyway |
| 23:32.05 | SimManiac | my point was (before all this discussion) |
| 23:32.28 | nsadmin | oh, about list keyword? |
| 23:32.41 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 23:32.48 | nsadmin | or buggy maints? |
| 23:32.50 | SimManiac | ah ok |
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| 23:33.10 | dbbolton | Inrideo grammaticam vestram. |
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| 23:33.37 | nsadmin | focuses the grammaticam at dbbolton! |
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| 23:36.18 | dbbolton | aversatur |
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| 23:44.37 | macrobat | maybe i can install a grml kernel :( |
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| 23:46.09 | fluorine | help! my monitor is stuck in reverse because i shot myself in the foot with "xrandr -x"! how do i reset this? |
| 23:46.51 | nsadmin | shift into neutral! |
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| 23:47.10 | fluorine | mever mind, i xrandred to a different resolution |
| 23:47.22 | fluorine | phew |
| 23:47.24 | nsadmin | that did it? |
| 23:47.26 | fluorine | yep |
| 23:47.29 | nsadmin | cool |
| 23:47.39 | fluorine | xrandr -s blah |
| 23:47.55 | fluorine | next question: how do I keep my xrandr-ed settings across reboots? |
| 23:48.15 | nsadmin | I guess you would add them to the config |
| 23:48.22 | nsadmin | which normally is an empty file |
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| 23:48.29 | fluorine | (so that they are in effect at X-start, not just *after* login) |
| 23:48.35 | chut | hi people |
| 23:48.35 | nsadmin | because it's supposed to autodetect everything |
| 23:48.41 | chut | anyone in here got problem with tomcat |
| 23:48.41 | chut | ? |
| 23:48.45 | chut | on lenny |
| 23:49.00 | nsadmin | chut: (guessing) you? |
| 23:49.17 | chut | it's running but it won't start the page |
| 23:49.26 | chut | i dont know why, can you give me a hand nsadmin ? |
| 23:49.35 | fluorine | hm, dumping the appropriate xrandr lines into $HOME/.xsession doesn't really help, because the login screen retains the old settings |
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| 23:50.30 | nsadmin | probably not... but I'll try. the BEST thing to do is give as much detail as you can AND save all of it to a file at the same time so when (if?) I fail, you can continue where we left off |
| 23:50.46 | chut | yeah |
| 23:50.51 | chut | it's currently running |
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| 23:50.59 | chut | but i can't open the page |
| 23:51.03 | nsadmin | also save everything you learn into the same file |
| 23:51.04 | chut | it runs on port 8180 |
| 23:51.10 | nsadmin | so is there a log? |
| 23:51.14 | chut | yeah |
| 23:51.17 | chut | let me open the log |
| 23:51.29 | nsadmin | and what does the browser do exactly? |
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| 23:52.03 | fluorine | uhh, xorg.conf is fully ignored now? wtf? |
| 23:52.03 | chut | Failed to Connect |
| 23:52.03 | rapha | Hi all! |
| 23:52.07 | chut | Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at localhost:8180. |
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| 23:52.25 | lucascarvalho | Hello, I have created a debian package but I've found a strange behavior during dpkg -P. http://pastebin.ca/1823295 I don't understand it tries to remove /opt/ !! |
| 23:52.43 | nsadmin | fluorine you can generate a config that has what's autodetected |
| 23:52.48 | lucascarvalho | does anyone knows how to solve it? |
| 23:52.50 | nsadmin | X -configure |
| 23:53.03 | nsadmin | then look in your . and your ~ |
| 23:53.12 | fluorine | omg. |
| 23:53.54 | rapha | How can I use a package from Ubuntu's Universe repository for karmic under lenny? ... I'm specifically talking about http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/utils/wkhtmltopdf |
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| 23:54.48 | nsadmin | rapha: very likely that will not work, but you CAN try porting it from the source |
| 23:54.53 | nsadmin | see: !ssb |
| 23:55.09 | nsadmin | err /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:55.12 | hyperutz | hello i have a problem regarding the time posted in /var/syslog ...because it is a 6 hours delay between the time returned by "date" command and the ones posted in/var/log (i;me currently debugging a daemon)...anyone who can help? i used the command "set" to check out my TZ parameter and it is set ok to my location.. |
| 23:55.15 | themill | lucascarvalho: didn't we go through this in some detail a week ago? |
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| 23:56.11 | lucascarvalho | themill: maybe, but I could not solve it until today. per example, if you do sudo apt-get install joe and them dpkg -P joe .. you dont get any message like that. |
| 23:56.13 | nsadmin | rapha: but likely, the package is in debian... if it's not, then try the recipe of ssb |
| 23:56.34 | lucascarvalho | so there is something wrong with my package themill and I can not find what is wrong with that. |
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| 23:57.03 | nsadmin | why cant' you find otu? |
| 23:57.12 | themill | lucascarvalho: "`/opt/foo' not empty so not removed." what's left in there? |
| 23:58.57 | rapha | nsadmin: I tried to apt-get install it, but it couldn't be found. What is ssb? |
| 23:59.12 | lucascarvalho | themill: this is not the problem, the problem is when it tries to remove /opt/ |
| 23:59.12 | nsadmin | what is the package? |
| 23:59.37 | themill | lucascarvalho: the package is supposed to remove opt but cannot because /opt/foo still exists. |