| 00:00.08 | lucascarvalho | themill: but it should never remove /opt/ |
| 00:00.11 | rapha | nsadmin: do you mean me? |
| 00:00.22 | lucascarvalho | themill: why it does not happen with joe package? |
| 00:00.27 | nsadmin | rapha: yes, what is the package? |
| 00:00.40 | themill | lucascarvalho: your package was the first thing to create /opt, so it should remove it. joe doesn't create /opt so it doesn't try to remove it.... |
| 00:00.53 | lucascarvalho | themill, joe package install many thinks in many directories and it does not raise such messages |
| 00:00.53 | rapha | nsadmin: "wkhtmltopdf" ... it uses the WebKit engine to creat PDFs from arbitrary HTML input |
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| 00:01.14 | nsadmin | judd versions wkhtmltopdf |
| 00:01.15 | judd | wkhtmltopdf -- squeeze: 0.9.0-1; sid: 0.9.2-1 |
| 00:01.18 | rapha | nsadmin: oh i just found http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wkhtmltopdf/ with Google ... can I use that for my Debian Lenny? |
| 00:01.19 | lucascarvalho | themill: no, my package does not create /opt. |
| 00:01.21 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 00:01.30 | themill | lucascarvalho: that's because the dirs are empty by the time they come to be removed. You still haven't told me what is in /opt/foo/ at this stage. |
| 00:01.34 | nsadmin | so it's not in lenny but it is in squeeze and sid |
| 00:01.41 | lucascarvalho | themill: of course that the folder /opt already exists. |
| 00:01.43 | nsadmin | , depends wkhtmltopdf |
| 00:01.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'wkhtmltopdf' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 00:01.50 | themill | lucascarvalho: your package creates /opt as far as dpkg is concerned. |
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| 00:01.58 | nsadmin | themill: help :) |
| 00:02.16 | themill | ,builddep wkhtmltopdf --release sid |
| 00:02.18 | judd | wkhtmltopdf -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50), qt4-qmake, libqt4-dev (>= 4.5). |
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| 00:02.28 | themill | nsadmin: (I'm guessing that's what you wanted) |
| 00:02.29 | lucascarvalho | themill: there is another folder which is not related to foo package |
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| 00:02.42 | nsadmin | , depends wkhtmltopdf --release squeeze |
| 00:02.43 | judd | wkhtmltopdf -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-webkit (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1). |
| 00:02.49 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 00:03.03 | rapha | watches impressedly |
| 00:03.05 | themill | lucascarvalho: and dpkg doesn't know about that either, hence it thinks it should try to remove /opt. It can't, so it issues a warning. |
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| 00:03.19 | nsadmin | , versions libqt4-webkit |
| 00:03.21 | judd | libqt4-webkit -- lenny: 4.4.3-1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; sid: 4:4.5.3-4; squeeze: 4:4.5.3-4; experimental: 4:4.6.2-1 |
| 00:03.33 | alex87 | hey guys, does anyone know how i can make diff tell me what files have been added or changed in a new version of a file? |
| 00:03.34 | nsadmin | ok so you should be able to port it |
| 00:03.48 | lucascarvalho | themill: por example, joe package installs /usr/bin/joe <- when you run dpkg -P joe it does not raise message about /usr or /usr/bin ... |
| 00:03.50 | nsadmin | that is without porting a buncha libs |
| 00:04.02 | lucascarvalho | themill: how can I solve that? |
| 00:04.04 | rapha | nsadmin: okay, then i'll try ... what documentation should I read for finding out how to do that? |
| 00:04.13 | themill | lucascarvalho: that's because other packages also include those directories. |
| 00:04.18 | nsadmin | !ssb |
| 00:04.18 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 00:04.30 | nsadmin | hasn't been backported. |
| 00:04.35 | rapha | k |
| 00:04.41 | lucascarvalho | themill: what? because other packages also include those directories? o.O |
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| 00:04.48 | themill | lucascarvalho: Either have another package installed that also includes /opt or ignore the warning. |
| 00:04.51 | fluorine | X doesn't depend on hal anymore? huzzah. |
| 00:04.52 | nsadmin | and try backporting from squeeze |
| 00:05.09 | nsadmin | huzzizzle? |
| 00:05.25 | lucascarvalho | themill: are you sure? |
| 00:05.27 | themill | lucascarvalho: of course. Hundreds of packages include /usr/bin/something so they all maintain /usr/bin. |
| 00:05.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does the Debian live CD have the option to install when you boot from it? |
| 00:05.42 | rapha | nsadmin: the deb-src line in my case would be "deb-src http://debian.tu-bs.de/debian/ squeeze main" then? |
| 00:05.48 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: no |
| 00:06.05 | nsadmin | rapha: assuming the thing you're backporting is in main |
| 00:06.06 | lucascarvalho | themill: ok, but when you remove joe package it should try to remove anyway... dont you agree? |
| 00:06.18 | themill | lucascarvalho: no |
| 00:06.23 | rapha | nsadmin: i'm assuming that since there's http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wkhtmltopdf/ |
| 00:06.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the main purpose of using the live CD if you can not install? For recovery or something? |
| 00:06.32 | nsadmin | you might need to install the build-deps by hand |
| 00:06.43 | rapha | okay |
| 00:06.45 | lucascarvalho | themill: sorry, but maybe I didn't understood your idea. |
| 00:06.53 | benjamindees | fluorine, it depends on udev which is basically the same thing |
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| 00:07.36 | rapha | nsadmin: because of this: "E: Build-Depends dependency for wkhtmltopdf cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements" ? - or does that hint at a more fundamental problem? |
| 00:07.39 | themill | lucascarvalho: other packages also have stuff in /usr/bin so dpkg knows not to try to remove /usr/bin. No other packages have anothing in /opt so it tries to remove it. |
| 00:07.52 | fluorine | benjamindees: yep. which is why depending on hal pissed me off in the first place. glad to see sanity restored. |
| 00:08.02 | nsadmin | oh what debhelper does it need |
| 00:08.18 | nsadmin | maybe a backported debhelper |
| 00:08.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | The live cd seems almost useless. |
| 00:08.25 | nsadmin | , versions debhelper |
| 00:08.26 | judd | debhelper -- etch: 5.0.42; etch-backports: 7.0.15~bpo40+2; lenny: 7.0.15; lenny-backports: 7.4.11~bpo50+1; sid: 7.4.15; squeeze: 7.4.15 |
| 00:08.33 | benjamindees | fluorine, don't worry, they're planning on re-adding that redundant layer directly to xorg |
| 00:08.38 | lucascarvalho | themill: ok I will try to install to packages on /opt and try to remove... if it does not raise any message you will be right and I will own to you a beer! :) |
| 00:08.41 | macrobat | LinuxGuy2009: with a live cd you can chroot to the installed system on a hdd and conf and install stuff, like a kernel |
| 00:08.48 | fluorine | benjamindees: no. please no. link? |
| 00:08.53 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: live-cds were around for a long time before you could install from them and they werne't considered to be useless then |
| 00:08.56 | rapha | nsadmin: 7.0.50 |
| 00:08.56 | macrobat | grml.org is great |
| 00:09.04 | lucascarvalho | s/install to packages/install two packages/ |
| 00:09.27 | nsadmin | rapha: what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 00:09.39 | Hebram | LinuxGuy2009: It allows you to try before you commit. |
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| 00:10.22 | rapha | nsadmin: 5.0.4 |
| 00:10.23 | benjamindees | fluorine, http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgHAL |
| 00:10.30 | nsadmin | ok, so latest lenny |
| 00:10.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any known plans to add an installer to the live CDs? I would really love that because then I could use the live CD to help make my local offline DVD repo. |
| 00:10.40 | nsadmin | you could use the backported debheloer |
| 00:10.55 | Hebram | Does debian.org even make Live CD's? I thought they just recommneded a few, namely Knoppix. |
| 00:10.56 | benjamindees | "Input driver delivered files in a new xorg.conf.d directory that use new syntax for matching devices" |
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| 00:11.08 | benjamindees | new syntax, yaay |
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| 00:11.27 | fluorine | benjamindees: that better be sarcastic |
| 00:11.36 | benjamindees | heh |
| 00:11.38 | nsadmin | better pay your old syntax first |
| 00:11.39 | rapha | nsadmin: by following instructions at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ? I'm unsure if that's the backport site you mean or possibly some scam |
| 00:11.51 | fluorine | if it ain't broken, why the fuck are you fixing it? |
| 00:12.09 | fluorine | ='[ |
| 00:12.11 | nsadmin | that could be it |
| 00:12.14 | rapha | k |
| 00:12.46 | themill | fluorine: except that it was broken so needed fixing. |
| 00:12.47 | macrobat | if i dont have holes in my teeth, why brush them w fluorine paste? |
| 00:13.06 | nsadmin | that step 1 2 3 thing looks good |
| 00:13.27 | nsadmin | you can (and possibly should) use aptitude |
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| 00:14.12 | abrotman | Hebram: yes they do |
| 00:14.29 | Hebram | abrotman: Cool |
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| 00:15.25 | rapha | nsadmin: oops, i read that too late and just used apt-get to install the newer debhelper ... did i break anything now? |
| 00:15.34 | nsadmin | no :) |
| 00:15.35 | nsadmin | ot |
| 00:15.39 | rapha | okay :) |
| 00:15.40 | nsadmin | it's fine |
| 00:16.26 | benjamindees | macrobat, I recommend pure-grain alcohol |
| 00:16.51 | macrobat | sry, im too offtopic |
| 00:16.54 | rapha | nsadmin: didn't solve the "E: Build-Depends dependency for wkhtmltopdf cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package quilt can satisfy version requirements" problem unfortunately :-( |
| 00:17.09 | nsadmin | quilt |
| 00:17.17 | nsadmin | , versions quilt |
| 00:17.18 | judd | quilt -- etch: 0.45-6; etch-backports: 0.46-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.46-6; lenny-backports: 0.46-8~bpo50+1; sid: 0.48-5; squeeze: 0.48-5 |
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| 00:17.36 | _Fred | hello |
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| 00:17.45 | _Fred | i can't dist-upgrade |
| 00:17.50 | nsadmin | probably lenny-backports isn't updated enough |
| 00:17.50 | _Fred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.51 | _Fred | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.08 | rapha | hmm |
| 00:18.22 | _Fred | apt-get -f install ,don't work |
| 00:18.23 | deadbeef | hello guys excuseme, on a debian server i've access to a process freezed and i can't restart it |
| 00:18.24 | rapha | might be easier to just compile from sources manually |
| 00:18.26 | themill | _Fred: what are you trying to upgrade from and to? What have you done so ar> |
| 00:18.26 | deadbeef | how can i see the cause? |
| 00:18.39 | _Fred | themill: debian 4.0 to 5.0 |
| 00:18.55 | nsadmin | lenny release notes then :) |
| 00:19.12 | _Fred | it's for my web server |
| 00:19.14 | themill | rapha: quilt is also on backports.org |
| 00:19.28 | nsadmin | themill: but look at judd outptu |
| 00:19.28 | _Fred | rtorrent is too much unstable with 4.0 |
| 00:19.38 | _Fred | crashes every times |
| 00:19.47 | _Fred | so, i need to upgrade |
| 00:19.52 | nsadmin | he could try it |
| 00:20.05 | _Fred | i can't install the last rotorrent |
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| 00:20.22 | themill | nsadmin: what about it? B-D is quilt >= 0.46-7; bpo has 0.46-8~ |
| 00:20.27 | rapha | themill: i don't get how quilt would help with my quest of getting wkhtmltopdf installed under lenny? |
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| 00:20.46 | themill | rapha: it's a build-dependency for the debian package. |
| 00:20.53 | deadbeef | guys what does this mean, in /proc/pid/status: State:T (stopped) |
| 00:20.53 | rapha | oh okay |
| 00:20.59 | _Fred | someone have an idea ? |
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| 00:21.23 | _Fred | how could i fix that dependencies problem |
| 00:21.28 | _Fred | python-central: Dépend: python (>= 2.4.3-10) mais 2.3.5-2 est installé python-newt: Dépend: python (>= 2.4) mais 2.3.5-2 est installé |
| 00:21.30 | themill | _Fred: hang on, are you trying to install rtorrent or are you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny?? |
| 00:21.52 | rapha | themill: so i have quilt installed now, but that doesn't make "apt-get build-dep wkhtmltopdf" work either |
| 00:21.52 | _Fred | i use rtorrent since month |
| 00:22.03 | rapha | has the feeling he doesnt get something |
| 00:22.06 | fluorine | is there an up-to-date guide on how keyboard configs from the old xorg.conf should now be configured? stupid trivial things like setting the **default** autorepeat rate are taking forever to google around |
| 00:22.07 | _Fred | themill: i try to upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 00:22.53 | themill | rapha: ahh... it claims to need qt4.5 that isn't in lenny. :( |
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| 00:23.29 | rapha | :-( |
| 00:24.06 | _Fred | i would be happy to change the main language from french to english |
| 00:24.11 | rapha | judd versions pkg-kde-tools |
| 00:24.12 | judd | pkg-kde-tools -- squeeze: 0.6.5; sid: 0.6.8 |
| 00:24.43 | themill | _Fred: what step of the etch->lenny process are you up to? You've still not told us what you've done so far |
| 00:25.06 | _Fred | themill: nothing special |
| 00:25.09 | rapha | argl why did that stupid sysadmin have to install a debian from the 19th century |
| 00:25.20 | _Fred | i've cleaned the dépots |
| 00:25.34 | _Fred | and cleaned apt-get |
| 00:25.37 | fluorine | and no one knows, not even the folks who herald these ridiculous changes |
| 00:25.39 | _Fred | updated apt get |
| 00:26.09 | themill | _Fred: there's a very specific set of instructions for upgrading from etch to lenny contained in the release notes. |
| 00:26.35 | _Fred | themill: do you have the url ? |
| 00:26.49 | themill | dpkg: tell _Fred about etch->lenny |
| 00:26.53 | themill | dpkg: tell fluorine about xorg config squeeze |
| 00:27.12 | rapha | themill: could i download the pkg-kde-tools .deb manually and install it or would that be dangerous? |
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| 00:28.20 | themill | rapha: I can't see it working out well. BTW there are other html to pdf converts around... are you really convinced you want this one? |
| 00:28.23 | fluorine | user not authorized to run X, how ironic. |
| 00:30.09 | rapha | themill: there are 5 that do what i need. 1 of them costs 3800USD. the other 4 i've thoroughly tested for half a week on my Ubuntu laptop. 2 of them don't even handle CSS. of the remaining 2, 1 only handles table-based layouts. Yes, I'm sure. |
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| 00:30.58 | fluorine | themill: too bad autorepeat has nothng to do with console-setup or /etc/default/keyboard, or layout for that mattter. |
| 00:31.44 | fluorine | also, I have zero (0) need for an xorg.conf template, as I already have on in /etc/X11, and yet ANOTHER template in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/ |
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| 00:33.09 | fluorine | although i do adamit, this generated template is mighty pretty |
| 00:33.28 | rapha | themill: i think i managed to install all dependencies for building their specialized version of Qt ... if that works out, wkhtmltopdf itself should compile as well |
| 00:33.53 | themill | rapha: The upstream web page for this project doesn't actually claim it needs qt4.5 so you could try hacking at the debian packing to see if you can get that to work. |
| 00:33.54 | benjamindees | fluorine, what, you found something that creates an xorg.conf that isn't complete crap? |
| 00:34.07 | fluorine | benjamindees: that X -configure :1 line, as root. |
| 00:34.25 | fluorine | !xorg config squeeze |
| 00:34.25 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 00:35.17 | rapha | themill: upstream is very strange. if you take a look at http://github.com/antialize/wkhtmltopdf/blob/master/README , it says that basically half the features are missing when you use your distro's Qt. so i'm probably better off with compiling by hand anyway... |
| 00:35.23 | benjamindees | haha, hotplug.. that was like three input-framework systems ago |
| 00:35.45 | themill | benjamindees: you'd do better to actually read the document |
| 00:35.54 | themill | rapha: sounds fun... |
| 00:36.10 | benjamindees | themill: "The way these problems are dealt with on Linux is by using hal" |
| 00:36.23 | rapha | themill :-| |
| 00:36.46 | themill | benjamindees: the "hotplug" you deride is not mentioned anywhere in that document at all. |
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| 00:39.47 | enyawix | what gives apt-get install --fix-missing --ignore-hold -f |
| 00:40.05 | enyawix | apt-get broken? |
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| 00:40.27 | abrotman | enyawix: what are you doing ? |
| 00:40.42 | enyawix | trying to install package |
| 00:41.04 | enyawix | dependencies are broken |
| 00:41.12 | enyawix | trying to get around |
| 00:41.26 | enyawix | your packages are hard to hack by hand |
| 00:41.58 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 00:41.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 00:41.59 | enyawix | i wish i could hand hack the package |
| 00:42.21 | themill | enyawix: providing real details will get you more help |
| 00:42.22 | enyawix | ? |
| 00:42.53 | enyawix | "miro: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 but it is not installable" |
| 00:42.57 | titan8990 | enyawix: we have no idea what your doing or what your problem is |
| 00:43.01 | enyawix | that is NOT correct |
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| 00:43.26 | abrotman | enyawix: it is correct, the package is currently broken |
| 00:43.30 | enyawix | the current xulrunner is just fine |
| 00:43.30 | titan8990 | enyawix: pastebin, it gives a reason... usually conflict, lack of depends, etc |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | judd: checkdeps miro squeeze |
| 00:44.05 | themill | abrotman: not yet! |
| 00:44.10 | themill | versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | runs away in horror! |
| 00:44.13 | themill | ,versions xulrunner-1.9 |
| 00:44.14 | judd | xulrunner-1.9 -- lenny: 1.9.0.16-1; lenny-security: 1.9.0.18-1 |
| 00:44.27 | abrotman | hey look .. no xulrunner-1.9 in squeeze! |
| 00:44.42 | themill | enyawix: the package doesn't exist outside lenny and it *is* installable in lenny. Now how about you tell us what you're actually doing. |
| 00:45.11 | enyawix | abrotman i got it to build by hand using the new xulrunner |
| 00:45.34 | enyawix | themill i have testing installed |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | enyawix: you're not making sense .. but whatever you say ... |
| 00:45.41 | themill | enyawix: if you want to be vague, that's fine. Just don't expect help. |
| 00:46.13 | enyawix | abrotman i used portage to make it build but I am slowly moving to debian |
| 00:46.16 | themill | enyawix: before anyone can help you, they want to see "aptitude install blah" and the output it produces. |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | enyawix: this is debian .. your gentoo experiences are pretty much useless |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | "I built it on Fedora" is equally meaningless |
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| 00:47.12 | _Fred | themill: dpkg is effective |
| 00:47.13 | enyawix | how can i make the system ignore discrepancies for one packages |
| 00:47.15 | _Fred | thx |
| 00:47.27 | themill | _Fred: no worries. have fun |
| 00:47.31 | themill | and a horrid combination of gentoo and debian is not something we're interested in supporting.... |
| 00:47.34 | _Fred | ;) |
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| 00:47.55 | titan8990 | !gentoosmite enyawix |
| 00:47.55 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling enyawix, and when it's all done, enyawix runs 0.2% faster than previously |
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| 00:48.32 | themill | truth in advertising says we should remove the (faster|slower) in that factoid and just make it slower... |
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| 00:48.43 | fluorine | way to champion laziness |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | thought he'd recognized that behaviour |
| 00:49.32 | enyawix | i will search google some more there most be a way to force the package system to do what i want |
| 00:49.35 | benjamindees | fluorine, have you tried adding a udev rule with a input.x11_options.AutoRepeat setting? |
| 00:49.42 | abrotman | enyawix: you're doing it wrong .. |
| 00:49.50 | themill | enyawix: you still haven't told us what you are doing. |
| 00:49.56 | abrotman | benjamindees: he's gone .. and as usual, that guy really doesn't care what the right answer is |
| 00:50.15 | enyawix | abrotman i want to install a package ignoring all discrepancies |
| 00:50.18 | benjamindees | what is the right answer? I can't figure it out.. |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | enyawix: you cannot, they're called dependencies for a reason |
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| 00:50.55 | themill | enyawix: you don't need to do that in debian. How about telling us what you're doing. If you don't stop being vague then you obviously don't want support so you should either /part or be silent... |
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| 00:51.40 | spersaud | does debian do upgrades from the standard update dialog ? |
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| 00:51.53 | spersaud | ie when a new stable version comes out will it upgrade to it ? |
| 00:51.53 | abrotman | spersaud: you mean ncurses? |
| 00:51.54 | enyawix | thanks |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | spersaud: oh, if you want to, yes .. |
| 00:52.21 | spersaud | abrotman: from the same window that gives update messages |
| 00:52.30 | benjamindees | abrotman, gnome update manager probably |
| 00:52.47 | fluorine | hmm, is there a way to disable alt+left/right in c+a+f1 mode? |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | spersaud: i don't know what you mean by the 'window' |
| 00:53.29 | spersaud | "Update Manager" |
| 00:53.42 | abrotman | spersaud: oh, i'd imagine so, i've not tried it myself |
| 00:54.42 | themill | spersaud: you don't want to do that, however. There will be a set of instructions to follow in the release notes. |
| 00:55.02 | yagoo | fluorine, what? |
| 00:55.20 | yagoo | fluorine, from x? |
| 00:55.28 | spersaud | themill: thats easy for me to do but for other users it will be good if this is done for them |
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| 00:56.11 | fluorine | yagoo: irssi's default policy of switching between windows with alt+left/right is unusable in the console, because alt+l/r is bound to console-switching |
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| 00:56.29 | abrotman | so use ctrl+p/n |
| 00:56.32 | themill | fluorine: at last you've told us it's irssi and some console you're talking about. Good start. |
| 00:56.34 | fluorine | and I need to restart X, but I don't want to miss on the merry chatter here |
| 00:56.41 | fluorine | :D |
| 00:56.49 | tinflu | hey I have a shared win-xp printer which is recognized by smbclient -L. how do I set it to be my printer on debian? |
| 00:56.56 | yagoo | fluorine, this is not even a debian question |
| 00:57.00 | themill | spersaud: that's pretty much going to be impossible. They're kept as simple as possible but there's always going to be manual steps needed |
| 00:57.18 | yagoo | fluorine, so ask someone who "uses" irssi.. makes more sense.. |
| 00:57.21 | fluorine | yagoo: it is, since i'm asking about DISABLING THAT CONSOLE KB COMBO |
| 00:57.51 | abrotman | i already told him how |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | or how to get around it |
| 00:57.57 | yagoo | lol |
| 00:58.12 | fluorine | abrotman: you told me how to temporarily hack it , but that's not a long-term fix... |
| 00:58.29 | themill | fluorine: no point in yelling at people who didn't understand your question because it was sufficiently vague as to be utterly useless |
| 00:58.31 | abrotman | didn't even know that irssi used alt-left/right |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | yeah .. i can't imagine that's the default behavior .. irssi is a CLI app .. why would it do that ? |
| 00:59.12 | fluorine | themill: actually, he didn't understand the second iteration of my question whose clarity you praised |
| 00:59.21 | fluorine | gosh, I hope this isn't hardcoded in the kernel |
| 00:59.41 | themill | praised is going a bit far |
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| 00:59.47 | abrotman | why not just start using ctrl-p/n in irssi like you're supposed to |
| 01:00.24 | fluorine | i won't, until i find some source telling me that alt+l/r is **specifically reserved** for the tty |
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| 01:00.59 | abrotman | have fun |
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| 01:02.03 | fluorine | put another way -- how dost i configure the console keyboard shortcuts? |
| 01:03.34 | \amethyst | fluorine: man loadkeys |
| 01:03.47 | jelly-hme | now that's evil |
| 01:04.12 | fluorine | No manual entry for loadkeys |
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| 01:04.30 | fluorine | \amethyst: but thanks, i'll figure out which deb i need |
| 01:05.06 | Computer | i am trying to downgrade from php5.3 to php5.2 with aptitude. how is the version5.2 package version named? |
| 01:05.17 | Computer | install php5=5.2.12 |
| 01:05.23 | Computer | version not found |
| 01:05.41 | \amethyst | Computer: there isn't a package for 5.2 in squeeze anymore |
| 01:05.44 | jelly-hme | Computer: apt-cache policy php5 will tell you which versions are available from your configured reops |
| 01:05.45 | fluorine | ok, console-setup-mini is turning out to be a bad bad idea |
| 01:06.13 | Computer | jelly-hme: i looked at the apt cahce. it says 5.2.12.dfsg.1-2_all is in there, and aptitude install php5=php5=5.2.12.dfsg.1-2_all didn't work either |
| 01:06.22 | Computer | \amethyst: when did this happen? recently? |
| 01:06.47 | Computer | it just killed my drupal websites :C |
| 01:06.59 | \amethyst | Computer: looks like 5.3 made it into squeeze in the past couple of months |
| 01:07.06 | abrotman | about a week or two ago |
| 01:07.09 | nsadmin | what;'s wrong with 5.3? |
| 01:07.12 | Computer | that sounds about right |
| 01:07.19 | Computer | nsadmin: im using some applications that do not support it, and they broke. |
| 01:07.20 | jelly-hme | Computer: hopefully you weren't running production sites on testing! |
| 01:07.35 | Computer | lol you know what maybe i was maybe i wasnt |
| 01:07.37 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: it's php... they make incompatible changes all the time |
| 01:07.52 | nsadmin | ahh, that's why it's bad |
| 01:07.59 | abrotman | i'd rather know why he's running production stuff on squeeze |
| 01:08.01 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: no, that's jsut one of the reasons |
| 01:08.02 | nsadmin | it could be better then if they stop doing that |
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| 01:08.44 | nsadmin | seriously tho... upgrade a production server?! |
| 01:09.01 | jelly-hme | upgrade? sure. run testing on it? |
| 01:09.20 | nsadmin | well either way there could be incompatible changes |
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| 01:09.31 | nsadmin | just less likely with stable |
| 01:09.55 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: stable sort-of promises no API or ABI changes |
| 01:10.33 | nsadmin | one very big problem with php and debian is (I thought I read that) the debian maint doesn't like php |
| 01:10.43 | jelly-hme | still, that's why you first upgrade a test machine |
| 01:10.50 | nsadmin | right |
| 01:11.05 | nsadmin | and then, a staging machine |
| 01:11.09 | dondelelcaro | I don't know of anyone who seriously deals with PHP who likes PHP |
| 01:11.21 | nsadmin | then once it -works- swap into staging |
| 01:12.07 | benjamindees | I like PHP but nothing I make ever gets upgraded so I don't have to deal with five different versions or whatever :D |
| 01:12.39 | dondelelcaro | you haven't worked seriously with PHP until you've patched bugs in the upstream codebase... |
| 01:13.06 | nsadmin | so some of the problems are political |
| 01:13.11 | jelly-hme | dondelelcaro: and tried to make them accept the patches? |
| 01:13.23 | dondelelcaro | jelly-hme: heh, that's apparently even more difficult |
| 01:13.28 | dondelelcaro | hasn't bothered |
| 01:13.30 | fluorine | \amethyst: thank you again, i see the problem in dumpkeys |
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| 01:14.39 | fluorine | didn't the php maintainer refuse to support php's embedded mode or some such, because "PHP's a horrible language and it's use must be confined"? |
| 01:14.50 | dondelelcaro | fluorine: that's not the PHP maintainer |
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| 01:15.10 | fluorine | i could go back and find that reddit link, but X is dead right now :D |
| 01:15.12 | nsadmin | who's quote is that? |
| 01:15.15 | jelly-hme | he was a while ago, wasn't he |
| 01:15.17 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: vorlon |
| 01:15.25 | benjamindees | there are worse things than PHP; you could write webpages in java for instance |
| 01:15.25 | fluorine | reddit.com/r/programming, i believe |
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| 01:15.28 | dondelelcaro | yes, he may have been at the time, but that comment was made something like 5 years ago |
| 01:15.32 | fluorine | benjamindees: concur |
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| 01:15.50 | nsadmin | I use tcl... so? :) |
| 01:16.11 | nsadmin | and... |
| 01:16.15 | nsadmin | aolserver!! |
| 01:16.17 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: what, are you working for AOL or something? |
| 01:16.17 | fluorine | every tool has its up- and down-sides, anyway. it's how one wields the tool that matters. |
| 01:16.24 | \amethyst | Well, OndÅej Surý said "I guess we all (php maintainers) share Steve's opinion on embedding php5." |
| 01:16.35 | \amethyst | which implies that the current maintainers feel the same way |
| 01:16.38 | nsadmin | if I were workign for aol I'd have an imcome... |
| 01:16.48 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: about their willingness to support php-embed, yes |
| 01:17.02 | dondelelcaro | considering that it's not supported upstream particularly well, it's not surprising |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | \amethyst: but they weren't the ones that said the item that fluorine said they did |
| 01:17.37 | dondelelcaro | if a group of people actually use it, and contribute to maintianing php in Debian, then they'd be in a position to influence the maintainers |
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| 01:18.35 | dondelelcaro | so far though, the brouhaha hasn't resulted in anyone actually working on the PHP packages in Debian besides the maintainers |
| 01:18.57 | nsadmin | I tried to get the aolserver project leader to consider replacing tcl with parrot |
| 01:19.09 | nsadmin | I guess that's kinda crazy :) |
| 01:19.19 | Computer | CRAP. |
| 01:19.23 | Computer | :C |
| 01:19.43 | fluorine | Computer: thank you for scaring the wits out of me. |
| 01:19.47 | Computer | :] |
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| 01:21.27 | jelly-hme | Computer: you may be able to find older packages on /msg dpkg snapshots |
| 01:22.13 | fluorine | ok time for a series of reboots |
| 01:23.52 | Computer | meh. ill probably just reinstall |
| 01:24.13 | jelly-hme | that's the spirit |
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| 01:24.44 | jelly-hme | of a windows user |
| 01:24.46 | dondelelcaro | Computer: you can probably install the version in lenny on squeeze |
| 01:25.11 | jelly-hme | judd: versions php5-cgi |
| 01:25.12 | judd | php5-cgi -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
| 01:25.25 | nejucomo | Hi, I'm creating a package which needs to run an init.d script before another package's init.d script runs. Is the best way to do this by passing a priority through dh_installinit to update-rc.d ? |
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| 01:26.58 | Stereo | nejucomo: yes |
| 01:27.12 | nejucomo | Great, thanks. |
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| 01:30.39 | dondelelcaro | nejucomo: presumably, that package should also have a dependency on your script, as well |
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| 01:31.47 | nejucomo | It's the other way around, actually. |
| 01:32.10 | nejucomo | This whole package is just an init.d script that executes a hack before the target apps init.d. |
| 01:33.19 | \amethyst | there's X-Start-Before |
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| 01:33.28 | dondelelcaro | nejucomo: what is the hack? what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:34.06 | jhutchins_lt | nejucomo: Have a look at the headers in the initscript. They supply information to the init script managers for what priority the script should have, and anything that needs to either run before or after. |
| 01:34.50 | nejucomo | dondelelcaro: It's a long story. I'm deploying a mix of in-house and upstream debian packages to ec2, and the debian package configuration fails on ec2. |
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| 01:36.09 | nsadmin | if you mix you almost always lose tho |
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| 01:36.47 | nsadmin | unless the stuff you're mixing from is closely tied to what you're mixing to... and then it might as well be one thing anyway |
| 01:37.00 | dondelelcaro | nejucomo: you'll find that you might have better luck if you just modify the config files of that package directly instead; depends on what package, though |
| 01:38.16 | nejucomo | This system creates and deploys an ec2 image which should work out-of-the-box, so configuring the system after boot is unacceptable. |
| 01:38.33 | nejucomo | The system image is specified entirely as a debian package tree. |
| 01:38.39 | dondelelcaro | nejucomo: uh... you don't understand what I'm saying |
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| 01:38.56 | nejucomo | Are you sure? |
| 01:38.59 | dondelelcaro | nejucomo: use the postinst of the package that you're installing to modify the configuration of the other package directly. |
| 01:39.16 | nejucomo | Ah, I see. |
| 01:39.37 | nejucomo | I did misunderstand. |
| 01:39.44 | nejucomo | This approach seems cleaner to me. |
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| 01:40.12 | dondelelcaro | nejucomo: but it depends a bit on the package; there may be cleaner methods of doing this |
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| 01:40.57 | nejucomo | Yeah. I have to balance the approaches with what other ops people expect in this system. I think they don't expect packages to alter other packages config files at install time. |
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| 01:43.16 | bobo | how do i use cpuburn? just installed the deb but it's not found in the console |
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| 01:43.46 | jelly-hme | bobo: dpkg -L packagename will show its contents |
| 01:44.11 | jelly-hme | bobo: please read the documentation before harassing the hardware |
| 01:44.17 | odinsbane | How can I upgrade every including packages that are left out? |
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| 01:44.28 | odinsbane | (with apt-get upgrade) |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | odinsbane: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 01:45.15 | Hebram | How safe is using the packing in Ubuntu Software Center found in my Squeeze installation? |
| 01:45.25 | Hebram | *packages |
| 01:45.35 | odinsbane | Does testing change? Im using antix and it points at testing maybe I should point it at something else. |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | odinsbane: ask them, this channel is fir Debian |
| 01:45.57 | nsadmin | testing does change, potentially daily |
| 01:45.58 | jelly-hme | what's antix? |
| 01:46.02 | jelly-hme | !antix |
| 01:46.03 | dpkg | antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 01:46.23 | odinsbane | ahh I went to memphis |
| 01:46.37 | jelly-hme | walking in mepis? |
| 01:46.53 | Hebram | I'm IRCing in Memphis -P |
| 01:47.40 | jhutchins_lt | With your feet ten feet off of Beal? |
| 01:48.13 | Hebram | Yes... but do I really feel the way I feel? |
| 01:48.30 | jhutchins_lt | Beale. |
| 01:48.37 | jelly-hme | *piano solo* |
| 01:48.38 | nsadmin | "feel" == sensation + story |
| 01:48.45 | Hebram | Beale is the correct spelling =) |
| 01:48.51 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:48.54 | dvs | Biel? O_O |
| 01:48.58 | Hebram | Nite TrueDD |
| 01:49.11 | TrueDD | nite Hebram |
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| 01:55.44 | rapha | nsadmin: it worked! got the source to compile :-) ... thx for your help earlier! |
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| 01:59.59 | nsadmin | so did you install the .deb? |
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| 02:00.51 | bobo | jelly-hme: there's no documentation anywhereon the source, and the command you gave me says what i already knew |
| 02:01.18 | UserReg_CL | hi... helpme please.. need uninstall postgresql |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | UserReg_CL: man aptitude |
| 02:02.51 | UserReg_CL | mmm |
| 02:03.44 | dvs | feels a manual install coming on... |
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| 02:04.45 | solifugus | who makes the best pre-install debian laptop for a developer... someone who will work on it at least 8 hours per day..? |
| 02:04.51 | rapha | nsadmin: no, that didnt work ... only managed to install the dependencies and then compile it manually |
| 02:05.39 | abrotman | solifugus: i don't think there are any .. i think most just buy the hardware they want and get debian to work on it |
| 02:06.45 | yagoo | abrotman, he sounds like a script kiddie :) |
| 02:07.19 | yagoo | 8 hours and no lunch? |
| 02:07.20 | yagoo | lol |
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| 02:08.13 | solifugus | abrotman, just like to ensure it has full hardware support in linux.. |
| 02:08.47 | macrobat | !linlap |
| 02:08.52 | solifugus | yagoo, I've been thinking of buying one of those new USB powered microwaves and living on ramen noodles |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | solifugus: It's really about linux support, not just Debian support .. and much new hardware works the way it should |
| 02:09.37 | UserReg_CL | hi... helpme please.. need uninstall postgresql |
| 02:09.39 | macrobat | i meant http://www.linlap.com/ |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | UserReg_CL: man aptitude |
| 02:09.55 | dbbolton | so im plating wolfenstien |
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| 02:10.03 | dbbolton | murkin these bitches |
| 02:10.06 | fluorine | ok boys and girls |
| 02:10.16 | fluorine | the fix was in /etc/console-setup/cached.keymap.gz |
| 02:10.34 | fluorine | for posterity, for the un-abrotman-hack-esque amongst you |
| 02:10.51 | abrotman | it's not a hack .. |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | your method is a hack |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | next you'll want to remove the ctrl-alt-fn# so you can use those keys in irssi |
| 02:11.29 | fluorine | no, your method is a hack. a brain one. |
| 02:11.37 | abrotman | have a good night ... |
| 02:11.45 | fluorine | why would I want to do that? c-a-fn isn't even mapped on irssi |
| 02:11.59 | abrotman | forgot what a pain maddash is |
| 02:12.02 | fluorine | irssi has ben around for a while, so i'm guessing that if a-l/r is default, there's a good reason |
| 02:12.25 | fluorine | i've forgotten what an obstacle you can be |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | bye! |
| 02:12.36 | fluorine | cyas |
| 02:13.31 | Pudgy | Hi all, does anyone know how one is supposed to add syntax-highlighting to less? |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | Pudgy: you type "/<searchterm>" |
| 02:14.15 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
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| 02:15.33 | macrobat | Pudgy: maybe use vim instead of less? |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | Pudgy: lesspipe has some ability i believe |
| 02:16.24 | Pudgy | macrobat: I don't want to use vim to just view files ;) |
| 02:16.45 | Pudgy | abrotman: I'll look into that. Haven't heard of it. Do you use it? |
| 02:16.45 | nooper | how about emacs then |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | Pudgy: no, that's why i have text editors |
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| 02:17.19 | macrobat | maybe vim with some options set, i dont think vimpager is in repos |
| 02:17.41 | wastrel | view |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | Pudgy: google has a fair number of hits |
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| 02:18.59 | Pudgy | Is it really that strange to like less as a viewer? |
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| 02:19.55 | nooper | only if you need syntax hilighting |
| 02:20.17 | macrobat | i like less, i have termcaps set. i view manpages with color |
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| 02:20.33 | macrobat | no syntax colors, though |
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| 02:23.26 | Surrador | I used to be very racially tolerant |
| 02:23.45 | Surrador | I used to even take past slavery and oppression in account when dealing with the blacks |
| 02:23.59 | Surrador | However as I matured, I realized that the fecal beast is just the way it is and wants to be |
| 02:24.06 | Surrador | so that I why I joined Chimpout Forum |
| 02:24.10 | macrobat | nice for you Surrador, go away |
| 02:24.13 | Surrador | Google Chimpout Forum |
| 02:24.25 | Surrador | and join our multi-racial coalition against the feral nigger beast |
| 02:24.34 | macrobat | ops, plz |
| 02:24.34 | Surrador | we welcome all races |
| 02:24.38 | Surrador | except for the monkeys |
| 02:24.38 | Hebram | Google "go away" |
| 02:25.07 | Surrador | what can you say to convince a chimpout member to use Debian |
| 02:25.14 | Surrador | instead of Fedora? |
| 02:25.25 | Surrador | Debian sounds like a crappy os distro like Ubuntu |
| 02:25.38 | macrobat | !ops ban Surrador please |
| 02:25.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: macrobat complains about: ban Surrador please |
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| 02:26.10 | macrobat | that site spams here quite often |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | and you let him keep going :) |
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| 02:27.17 | nsadmin | someone didn't... |
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| 02:30.54 | Anthro | I thought software RAID under Linux was endian-agnostic now. Am I wrong? My PPC box just died and when I brought its RAID1 disks over to a PC the drives' superblocks aren't being recognized. |
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| 02:31.55 | nsadmin | if all that stuff used network byte order... |
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| 02:32.25 | Anthro | Ah! Just found the --update=byte-order flag to mdadm. Hold that thought... |
| 02:33.01 | Anthro | Woohoo! |
| 02:33.04 | Anthro | Problem solved |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | except the PPC box is still dead ? |
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| 02:35.17 | Anthro | abrotman: Well, the thing is that I had been planning this move. The PPC box was showing its age, and I had purchased a 2004-era workstation for $200 to replace it. Everything of importance had already been copied over or was on the RAID. |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:36.19 | Anthro | abrotman: I had to move the PPC out of (what used to be) my office to make room for the (OMIGOD INCOMING) baby, so I carefully shut things down and was setting up both boxes to run, but not moving the RAID yet. |
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| 02:36.41 | abrotman | room in the garage for baby .. |
| 02:36.45 | Anthro | abrotman: ...but now I'm moving the RAID tonight because, well, crap, the PPC died. |
| 02:37.02 | Anthro | abrotman: Ach, no garage. It's a townhouse. |
| 02:37.02 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | gotcha |
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| 02:37.43 | kj4 | babies like closets |
| 02:38.16 | Hebram | Soon you will have to work on your mirrored baby set. |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | twins? |
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| 02:39.54 | jamon | monozygotic |
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| 02:43.38 | Anthro | Okay, problem mostly solved. Now I have to fix my cryptoloop. |
| 02:45.32 | cheako | Hello, I'm looking for a howto and I can't describe simply what I'm looking for. |
| 02:45.40 | pipeline | nsadmin: heh |
| 02:45.54 | pipeline | nsadmin: darwin x86, before osx-on-intel, used network byte order for all filesystems |
| 02:45.54 | cheako | This new keyboard has keys that are moved around diffrently then I'd expect. |
| 02:46.03 | pipeline | nsadmin: hellooooo 10 MB/s disk access :P |
| 02:46.27 | fluorine | ok, the fix for keyboard autorepeat rate is to add the appropriate -ar{delay,interval} console arguments to X |
| 02:46.28 | cheako | I remember remapping an old keyboard I had where caplock and ctrl were swapped. |
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| 02:47.07 | cheako | However this is much different, well not really just more complicated. |
| 02:47.07 | fluorine | because 1) AutoRepeat is deprecated from xorg.conf, and 2) there's no other option right now |
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| 02:48.19 | cheako | The 'new' keys for power sleep and "wake up" are on the uppermost/top row just after F12. This should be prtscrn SL and pause/break. |
| 02:48.35 | fluorine | sl |
| 02:49.04 | cheako | These keys are where the insert home keys should be and the delete end keys are just above the 4 arrow keys(where there previously was nothing) |
| 02:49.39 | cheako | I'm sure I'm not the first person to deal with this problem, but I can't work the title of the howto I'm looking for. |
| 02:49.50 | cheako | "word the title" |
| 02:50.33 | cheako | Idealy I think I'd like to load new scancodes into the kernel so the console and X will get the change. |
| 02:51.19 | cheako | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html |
| 02:56.18 | cheako | Sure OK, but I'm looking for help with my specific problem. |
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| 02:57.03 | Anthro | Okay, yeah, I'm back. My cryptoloop is unhappy. Probably another endian issue, dammit. |
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| 03:02.34 | pipeline | cheako: ctrl belongs near your pinky |
| 03:02.39 | pipeline | cheako: capslock is an infrequently used key |
| 03:03.54 | cheako | Yes, but when you are used to one way and you get a keyboard that is different I had to get my ctrl key back. |
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| 03:04.18 | cheako | Now I have the same problem, I'm hitting pause/break when I want page up. |
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| 03:04.55 | cheako | Or worse, hitting home when I want End. |
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| 03:08.43 | pyther | Hi |
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| 03:08.56 | timholum | I made some changes to an opensource project ( osTicket ) and would like to make my patch public but I have no clue how to do it. I have tryed everything I can to make it. I get a diff file but then when I try to patch with it. the patch does not work :( |
| 03:09.00 | pyther | I'm hoping someone can help me write a rewrite rule to rewrite /upload to /upload/ |
| 03:09.34 | abrotman | i think you'd probably get a better answer in #httpd |
| 03:10.17 | Anthro | Rather, #apache |
| 03:10.43 | abrotman | #apache isn't there anymore |
| 03:10.52 | Anthro | abrotman: Oh? Is that recent? |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:11.06 | Anthro | Hunh |
| 03:11.11 | Anthro | Well, good to know. |
| 03:11.11 | cheako | pyther: You can't do that IMHO. The best you can do is an alias and even that is not recommended. |
| 03:11.26 | pyther | cheako: so there is no way to do that in lighttpd |
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| 03:12.11 | Anthro | So does anyone know whether dm-crypt is endian-specific and, if so, how to migrate from one byte order to the other? |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | pyther: oh sorry .. didn't know you meant lighttpd |
| 03:12.39 | abrotman | hands Anthro a magnet |
| 03:12.46 | pyther | abrotman: well I'm asking in httpd :P |
| 03:12.53 | cheako | pyther: Not sure about light, but I know for Apache despite all the sites that do this it's not recommended... with no explanation as to why. |
| 03:12.55 | abrotman | pyther: they may not be so happy about that |
| 03:13.09 | Anthro | abrotman: The drive is only supposed to *look* like garbage, not actually become garbage. |
| 03:13.19 | pyther | abrotman: I think its mostly regexp that hav eto be matched |
| 03:13.36 | pyther | I have a script that is at /uploader/ |
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| 03:18.47 | timholum | I finaly got it :) |
| 03:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Anthro, WYSIWYG |
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| 03:24.52 | Anthro | Ah, the problem is with the /etc/init.d/cryptdisks script. The askpass helper is not so much a help and a hindrance. All set. |
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| 03:40.57 | cheako | Any one here use Upstart? My getty's don't start. |
| 03:41.52 | abrotman | you got further than i did :) |
| 03:42.01 | abrotman | i tried it a long long time ago .. system never booted |
| 03:42.39 | titan8990 | isn't that the ubuntu init? |
| 03:43.57 | cheako | titan8990: According to #upstart it's used in Debian also. |
| 03:44.00 | abrotman | that's where it started |
| 03:44.07 | abrotman | cheako: i think debian uses insserv |
| 03:44.45 | cheako | I can't get any help for making my getty's work. |
| 03:44.51 | abrotman | judd: info insserv --release squeze |
| 03:44.52 | judd | No record of package 'insserv' in None/i386. |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | judd: info insserv --release squeeze |
| 03:44.54 | judd | insserv (misc, optional): Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencies. Version: 1.12.0-14; Size: 65.9k; Installed: 288k; Homepage: http://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/init/ |
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| 03:45.58 | titan8990 | the website is http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ .... |
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| 03:46.30 | titan8990 | judd: versions upstart |
| 03:46.31 | judd | upstart -- sid: 0.6.3-1; squeeze: 0.6.3-1 |
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| 03:47.07 | cheako | I need support, there is no way even I can debug init. |
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| 03:47.25 | mrrcp | how do i make debian a windows domain controller? |
| 03:47.29 | mrrcp | and file system |
| 03:47.46 | cheako | overrun:/var/log# strace -p 1; # select(10, [3 5 6 7 8 9], [], [7 8 9], NULL |
| 03:47.53 | cheako | All it does is sit there. |
| 03:47.55 | abrotman | mrrcp: you read the stuff at samba.org |
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| 03:48.12 | titan8990 | and w/e openldap is hosted |
| 03:48.16 | mrrcp | samba does it all? |
| 03:48.24 | mrrcp | i was reading up on that |
| 03:48.31 | mrrcp | i just wanted to make sure that was the only option |
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| 03:49.46 | titan8990 | cheako: have you checked the BTS? filed a bug report? |
| 03:50.37 | cheako | titan8990: This does not sound like something a package maintainer could help with. Does it? |
| 03:51.23 | titan8990 | if it is a bug in the software the package maintainer should be informed |
| 03:51.44 | titan8990 | cheako: your running testing, right? |
| 03:53.06 | abrotman | cheako: did you try insserv ? |
| 03:53.07 | cheako | Well, about that. I'm running Stable all over the place, but this box is Ubuntu. I asked in #ubuntu and was just ignored asking in #upstart got me to here. |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | at least .. i think they're roughly the same |
| 03:53.51 | abrotman | cheako: then go to #ubuntu .. ask them .. this channel is for Debian support |
| 03:54.07 | cheako | I did and have been. |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | not in this case |
| 03:54.56 | titan8990 | cheako: ... |
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| 03:55.28 | cheako | Where should I go for support on Upstart? |
| 03:55.37 | titan8990 | cheako: not here |
| 03:56.08 | titan8990 | cheako: see if they have some mailing lists |
| 03:57.00 | abrotman | cheako: you ask your distro channel, this is clearly not it |
| 03:57.14 | abrotman | cheako: alternately, you can ask the channel for that software, or perhaps even ##linux |
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| 03:57.56 | \3TATUK | hey |
| 03:58.04 | titan8990 | does anyone know if there any hacks to get standard text editors such as emacs or vim as the $PAGER for man pages? |
| 03:58.13 | cheako | abrotman: Yes, yes... Have been and Still am doing that. The ##linux is a new idea, but this is not something they might be able to help with. |
| 03:58.18 | \3TATUK | How do I configure which plugin Iceweasel uses to play embedded audio (.ogg) files? |
| 03:58.28 | titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 03:58.28 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 03:58.35 | Hebram | Cheako: Did some looking for you. IRC channel and mailing list info is at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/development.html |
| 03:59.19 | roe | can anyone clarify why icedove-3.0 seems to be stuck in experimental? |
| 03:59.35 | cheako | Hebram: Thank you the Developers are not doing any support, I've asked them. |
| 03:59.44 | cheako | ..am asking them. |
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| 04:00.16 | abrotman | cheako: let me put it another way .. you're offtopic asking for ubuntu support here. If you continue you can be silenced. |
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| 04:00.40 | Hebram | cheako: <shrug> Their page says "Upstart discussion (development and otherwise)" ... Good luck. |
| 04:00.41 | hideo | silenced as in a hitman will be sent to your house |
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| 04:03.20 | benjamindees | oh friggin awesome.. abc.com works in linux |
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| 04:06.48 | \3TATUK | How do I configure which plugin Iceweasel uses to play embedded audio (.ogg) files? (Currently my browser crashes because I changed it to 'Java something' and I can't figure how to change it back) |
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| 04:08.17 | \3TATUK | Like on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ke$ha_TiK_ToK.ogg |
| 04:10.56 | cheako | <Keybuk> cheako: edit /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf and remove "and net-device-up IFACE=lo" from the "start on" line |
| 04:11.48 | adb | cheako, and ? |
| 04:12.28 | nsadmin | what's rc-sysinit.conf for? |
| 04:12.32 | cheako | Does any one have a keyboard with the insert/del/home/end/pageup/dn keys all in the wrong place(shifted down one row)? |
| 04:13.40 | adb | cheako, don't pm ppl , without asking before |
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| 04:14.25 | nsadmin | as far as me, and for that purpose, it's ok |
| 04:14.26 | cheako | Answers provided privetly due to the topic. |
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| 04:15.09 | adb | so why you pasted that here ? |
| 04:15.53 | cheako | Reconfigure your client if you don't like how it handles pm(s)/DOS/hack attempts. |
| 04:16.10 | cheako | adb: Closure. |
| 04:17.13 | nsadmin | cheako: (while it's cool you msgd me for that specific purpose) people will want you to ask first |
| 04:18.29 | cheako | That's news to me. I though all this chat stuff was for messaging, now you say that ppl don't want it. They can dissconnect for all I care. |
| 04:19.41 | cheako | adb: What client do you use? |
| 04:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you must confuse that with msn messenger |
| 04:19.43 | nsadmin | heyy don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger here, and once delivered, you do what you want as far as I'm concerned |
| 04:20.11 | benjamindees | here at #debian we don't chat; we just quietly relish in how awesome we are |
| 04:20.25 | nsadmin | mustards too |
| 04:20.26 | Hebram | benjamindees: haha |
| 04:20.30 | cheako | nsadmin: Thank you for the warning... I'll get right on making script for ppl who fell this way about PMs. |
| 04:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well said, that man |
| 04:20.46 | cheako | lol |
| 04:21.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | now be quiet, we got some serious relishing to do |
| 04:21.10 | Hebram | I just spewed water all over my laptop LCD |
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| 04:23.01 | cheako | I totally finished my project about rebuilding a kernel with magic mouse support... and it is totally awesome. |
| 04:23.52 | cheako | However I discoverd a short cut: http://github.com/entrope/linux-magicmouse |
| 04:23.55 | yagoo | cheako, how long does the battery last on that ? |
| 04:24.29 | cheako | yagoo: I still need to find out. I know if I leave it on it's not a problem. |
| 04:25.18 | nsadmin | hands CutMeOwnThroat the mustard |
| 04:25.31 | nsadmin | so he can relish in his mustard! |
| 04:25.41 | cheako | The most anoying thing I've found about a wireless mouse is clicking on the Gnome tray needed to get the mouse working. |
| 04:26.35 | cheako | Some times it scares me and won't bond/pair/connect and I have to fight with it. |
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| 04:28.35 | cheako | The connection is always done un-encrypted. I don't think I like that. |
| 04:29.07 | cheako | There is no passkey it's just 0000. |
| 04:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | xset m 100 1 has always been magic enough for *me* |
| 04:29.30 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 04:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands the mustard back |
| 04:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, can't stand the stuff |
| 04:30.00 | simonrvn | was gonna do an !ops on kr0k but the asshole's gone |
| 04:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that's what you wanted in the first place, no? |
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| 04:30.59 | macrobat | i cant fsck /dev/sda1 . device is busy. it is not mounted and nothing that i know of is using it. |
| 04:31.18 | simonrvn | plediii: r3x fix your routers |
| 04:31.22 | nsadmin | macrobat try lsof |
| 04:31.38 | plediii | ? |
| 04:31.55 | macrobat | lsof how? |
| 04:32.11 | benjamindees | lsof|grep sda1 |
| 04:32.21 | benjamindees | er :( |
| 04:32.25 | cheako | Wow, the ppl in #ubuntu sure are friendly. |
| 04:32.25 | nsadmin | look at what it does, maybe you can combine it somehow with grep :) |
| 04:32.28 | macrobat | nothing |
| 04:32.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I prefer fuser /dev/sda1 |
| 04:32.33 | cheako | It was nice visiting them. |
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| 04:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | my advice: stay a bit longer :) |
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| 04:33.27 | benjamindees | macrobat, what do you have open? kde? |
| 04:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, ^^^ |
| 04:34.11 | macrobat | gnome is up, i exited a chroot |
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| 04:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you want to unmount the root partition? |
| 04:35.15 | macrobat | the root of the chroot |
| 04:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh, it's not mounted, but busy? |
| 04:35.24 | cheako | I've run 64bit gnome-panel and then used a chroot to run 32bit applets for that panel. |
| 04:35.27 | macrobat | but it is not mounted atm |
| 04:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what does fuser say |
| 04:35.35 | cheako | schroot was vary nice. |
| 04:35.43 | macrobat | fuser and lsof are silent |
| 04:35.57 | cheako | Mostly using rbind /w mount. |
| 04:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ran fuser as root? |
| 04:36.08 | simonrvn | plediii: someone just triggered a bug in your router. the dcc s e n d bug |
| 04:36.09 | macrobat | yes |
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| 04:36.34 | plediii | hmm, i'm at a random cafe |
| 04:36.44 | plediii | should i just log out? |
| 04:36.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, one second... what does cat /dev/sda1>/de/null or so say |
| 04:36.50 | nsadmin | so it's randomcafe's router |
| 04:36.54 | simonrvn | well they should fix their router ;) |
| 04:37.01 | plediii | indeed |
| 04:37.21 | plediii | if someone's abusing my connection somehow i'll just log out |
| 04:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | we could do it again to annoy the other surfers in there :) |
| 04:37.43 | macrobat | cat /dev/sda1>/dev/null erases the partition? |
| 04:37.44 | plediii | it's definitely my router and not my laptop right? |
| 04:37.58 | simonrvn | yeh. was a router firmware bug. |
| 04:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | plediii, you could log in via an alternate port, though... that "fixes" it |
| 04:38.25 | nsadmin | probably not "your" router |
| 04:38.41 | plediii | ok, i'll just log out for now, i don't need to be here at the moment |
| 04:38.44 | plediii | sorry for the trouble |
| 04:38.48 | simonrvn | we established this already nsadmin |
| 04:38.53 | simonrvn | plediii: not your fault |
| 04:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | moment |
| 04:39.12 | simonrvn | oops meant to have a :) after nsadmin |
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| 04:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, too late |
| 04:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, admins don't smile |
| 04:39.35 | nsadmin | oh no there's a smiley after me! |
| 04:40.17 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't have my bofh hat on |
| 04:40.44 | macrobat | so i just let cat /dev/sda1>/dev/null run until it is empty? |
| 04:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | macrobat, no, I just wondered if that also gives you an error... |
| 04:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1 second should be enough :) |
| 04:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | was too lazy for the dd equivalent |
| 04:41.52 | macrobat | meh, im not sure |
| 04:42.16 | benjamindees | macrobat, you don't have any virtual machines running? |
| 04:42.23 | macrobat | no |
| 04:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you run fuser as root? |
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| 04:43.12 | macrobat | gnome has volume managers and stuff, maybe gnome does a lot of stuff it's not telling me |
| 04:43.28 | macrobat | lsof and fuser were run as root |
| 04:43.38 | Zharf | macrobat, you can assume with software that they do a lot more than they're telling you |
| 04:43.53 | Zharf | especially with all that end user crap |
| 04:44.02 | benjamindees | macrobat, fuser -m /dev/sda1 |
| 04:44.23 | macrobat | benjamindees: no output |
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| 04:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the device... -m shouldn't do anything |
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| 04:45.11 | simonrvn | ok, that's enough |
| 04:45.16 | hideo | oh ffs somebody kline that noob |
| 04:45.25 | simonrvn | !ops kr0k dcc exploit crap, 2nd time |
| 04:45.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: kr0k dcc exploit crap, 2nd time |
| 04:45.40 | nsadmin | two different hostmasks |
| 04:46.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did the Governator say... |
| 04:46.04 | LoRez | klined |
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| 04:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I'll be back" |
| 04:46.32 | simonrvn | LoRez: thank you :) |
| 04:47.36 | benjamindees | macrobat, is it a swap partition? |
| 04:47.54 | macrobat | i'll install xfce4, i didnt expect i'd be stuck that long on lenny gnome |
| 04:48.06 | macrobat | it is a sid / partition |
| 04:48.59 | macrobat | i can fsck it later, i guess |
| 04:49.00 | benjamindees | macrobat, cat /proc/swaps |
| 04:49.24 | macrobat | "/dev/sda2" |
| 04:49.28 | benjamindees | oh crap; I know what it is |
| 04:50.07 | benjamindees | er, maybe not :( |
| 04:50.42 | benjamindees | it's the root of a chroot? how did you unmount it? |
| 04:51.03 | macrobat | when chrooted i had problems with sysfs not mounted.... |
| 04:51.08 | benjamindees | bingo |
| 04:51.22 | nsadmin | so it's busy cause it has mounts inside it |
| 04:51.24 | benjamindees | you have to umount sysfs before exiting the chroot |
| 04:51.39 | spersaud | is it possible to turn off the pc speaker ? |
| 04:51.40 | nsadmin | and maybe proc too |
| 04:52.19 | macrobat | spersaud: rmmod pcspeaker and blacklist it |
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| 04:53.52 | macrobat | i have to umount from inside the chroot? |
| 04:54.11 | benjamindees | yes, as far as I know |
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| 04:55.09 | spersaud | how do I make my pcspeaker sound like freebsd ? |
| 04:55.30 | macrobat | i dont see proc, sys or dev mounted from inside the chroot now |
| 04:55.34 | simonrvn | not really, you could do umount /whatever/proc if you don't wanna bother with chrooting again and doing it there |
| 04:55.42 | simonrvn | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 04:55.48 | macrobat | ok |
| 04:56.24 | nsadmin | can you unchroot? |
| 04:56.35 | nsadmin | or did you exit from the chroot already? |
| 04:57.13 | macrobat | this looks odd: /dev/disk/by-uuid/f2cffa19-0782-410a-b93c-f78fa52cc616 /sys ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 04:57.41 | port80 | Hello, which channel should i join for an installation problem? |
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| 04:57.57 | nsadmin | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/f2cffa19-0782-410a-b93c-f78fa52cc616 |
| 04:58.12 | nsadmin | port80 installation of? |
| 04:58.27 | port80 | Net Debian install |
| 04:58.34 | benjamindees | port80, depends on how bad the problem is |
| 04:58.35 | nsadmin | here |
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| 04:59.28 | port80 | Using the net iso disk the installation goes fine until downloading the 280th file, and then just hangs there |
| 04:59.38 | macrobat | umount proc, sys and dev didnt give output when i did it chrooted, it did not take effect |
| 05:00.07 | nsadmin | macrobat: is that chroot a partition? |
| 05:00.33 | macrobat | nsadmin: yes |
| 05:00.43 | nsadmin | see if you can umount it |
| 05:01.12 | nsadmin | which you probably would if (1) you're out of the chroot and (2) nothing's mounted inside |
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| 05:01.59 | macrobat | from the outside "umount /mnt/slash/proc" gives "umount: /proc: device is busy /mnt/slash/proc: not mounted" |
| 05:02.42 | macrobat | is there a proper way to exit a chroot? |
| 05:02.54 | nsadmin | how did you enter? |
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| 05:03.10 | port80 | ... if it helps, that is the last .deb package to be installed before the first reboot |
| 05:03.17 | simonrvn | same way as exiting a regular system |
| 05:03.32 | nsadmin | nono, how did you -enter- the chroot? |
| 05:03.58 | simonrvn | port80: you might want to see the bts, this sounds vaguely familiar |
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| 05:04.12 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg bts on what that is |
| 05:04.36 | spersaud | \ |
| 05:04.37 | port80 | Okay |
| 05:04.48 | alreadygone | waves |
| 05:04.48 | macrobat | mounted the partition, mount --bind /proc /dev and /sys at the mounted partition, then "chroot /mnt/slash /bin/bash/" |
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| 05:05.03 | macrobat | kill bash first? |
| 05:05.08 | adb | macrobat, reboot and check your fstab , seems you entered some chroot folder in your fstab somehow |
| 05:05.15 | nsadmin | well exit from bash |
| 05:05.21 | nsadmin | ctrl-d |
| 05:05.52 | macrobat | so when i exit the shell, i also exit the chroot, right? |
| 05:06.12 | cheako | I'm looking into using hal's fdi files to get my mouse to use the synaptic driver. |
| 05:06.20 | nsadmin | yes, the shell will exit, the chroot process will get control and exit itself |
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| 05:07.15 | nsadmin | but usually you'd want to undo things in the reverse order they were done |
| 05:07.34 | port80 | Leaving... Thanks, going to try an install w/o that package, and then if I can boot I'll apt-get it then. |
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| 05:08.32 | spersaud | macrobat: how do you blacklist pcspkr ? |
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| 05:08.36 | spersaud | /proc/modules ? |
| 05:09.13 | adb | !tell spersaud -about blacklist |
| 05:09.21 | macrobat | i think you can put it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 05:09.30 | macrobat | or read that :) |
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| 05:10.59 | Tekk_ | does w32-loader function like a real installer or wubi/ |
| 05:11.14 | spersaud | macrobat: read, did it already, hopefully I dont mess anything up because I dont hear the spkr . |
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| 05:11.54 | macrobat | spersaud: you would still be able to hear the POST beeps |
| 05:12.07 | spersaud | macrobat: whats that ? |
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| 05:12.54 | macrobat | when you turn on the computer, there is often a beep to tell you hardware is ok. or if there is a problem |
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| 05:13.16 | spersaud | macrobat: duh, thats the bios |
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| 05:13.30 | macrobat | yes, power on self test |
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| 05:14.07 | spersaud | glad that I have the beep muffled, its really annoying |
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| 05:14.38 | spersaud | heh muffled :) |
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| 05:19.26 | deb-n00b | hi guys. habing drouble addressing a USB 3G modem. I got it working under ubuntu (addressed as /dev/ttyUSB2), but under debian lenny (voyage sping for embedded), I have trouble locating it. any help, please? |
| 05:19.43 | RayzrShrp | does anybody know how to go about setting up a vanity hostname on irc? |
| 05:19.58 | RayzrShrp | is that something i could do with my debian box? |
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| 05:23.26 | spersaud | is there a debian dev channel ? |
| 05:24.46 | nsadmin | #debian-devel |
| 05:25.30 | spersaud | haha must be invited .. nice, debian always gets it right, take your time and get it right |
| 05:25.45 | spersaud | all the other distros have new stuff but they're hardly usable |
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| 05:35.38 | SolarisBoy | ipironic |
| 05:35.43 | SolarisBoy | grr |
| 05:36.01 | yagoo | cheako, that mouse still working? |
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| 05:37.12 | RayzrShrp | anybody here using an irc bouncer? |
| 05:37.13 | nsadmin | RayzrShrp ask about hostname vanity on #freenode |
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| 05:37.33 | RayzrShrp | nsadmin: thanks |
| 05:37.55 | RayzrShrp | nsadmin: im not trying to do it for anything malicious, just always wanted to have one |
| 05:38.12 | RayzrShrp | nsadmin: if i have my own debian box with a shell I can pull it off right? |
| 05:38.13 | JyZyXEL | does linux map video cards memory in the same space as ram? |
| 05:38.37 | RayzrShrp | so is this the freenode network then? |
| 05:38.54 | nsadmin | for the hostname vanity thing? yes, freenode |
| 05:39.06 | autojack | I've just updated my kernel to 2.6.26-2, and now Xorg won't start because my nvidia module won't load. I realized I needed to update that also, so I installed nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-686, but I still get this error when I do modrpobe nvidia: "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Cannot allocate memory" Google hasn't been any help so far. anyone else know what I could be doing wrong? |
| 05:39.25 | RayzrShrp | windows 3 |
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| 05:40.32 | autojack | huh, what the hell. dmesg says: "[ 3706.972073] allocation failed: out of vmalloc space - use vmalloc=<size> to increase size." |
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| 05:43.38 | macrobat | autojack: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
| 05:43.57 | SolarisBoy | maybe need to rebbuild nvid drivers for new kernel? |
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| 05:45.18 | autojack | the nvidia driver package I installed matches the version of the kernel I upgraded to |
| 05:45.24 | autojack | both are 2.6.26-2 |
| 05:45.30 | autojack | -i686 |
| 05:45.40 | autojack | macrobat: there's nothing on that page about the error I'm seeing. |
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| 05:47.11 | macrobat | the vmalloc stuff could be something unrelated |
| 05:47.26 | autojack | it prints that to dmesg every time I try to modprove nvidia |
| 05:47.50 | nsadmin | autojack does that also match your uname -r |
| 05:47.53 | macrobat | autojack: the nvidia version has to match the kernel |
| 05:48.11 | autojack | yes, they match |
| 05:48.43 | autojack | bitbox:/var/lib/mythtv# uname -r |
| 05:48.43 | autojack | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 05:48.43 | autojack | bitbox:/var/lib/mythtv# modprobe nvidia |
| 05:48.44 | autojack | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Cannot allocate memory |
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| 05:49.03 | autojack | yeesh, four lines is flood? sorry. |
| 05:49.12 | autojack | annnyway. |
| 05:49.21 | macrobat | 3 lines is flood |
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| 05:50.13 | autojack | apparently. |
| 05:50.30 | autojack | so yeah this is weird. I've dealt with nvidia/kernel driver issues in the past but this is an odd one |
| 05:50.35 | macrobat | the nvidia module has to be built against the kernel headers and so on, i'm not sure version numbers are fine-grained enough |
| 05:50.36 | autojack | and I only went up two minor versions of kernel. |
| 05:50.49 | autojack | they're exactly the same... |
| 05:51.06 | autojack | however I wonder if I need to install the headers package. |
| 05:52.11 | macrobat | i havent installed the binary, i have only built the module. you need the headres for building |
| 05:52.47 | autojack | mmm, right |
| 05:52.59 | autojack | I've never had a problem with the package before. |
| 05:54.02 | autojack | oh wtf |
| 05:54.15 | autojack | somehow the nvidiafb driver is getting loaded |
| 05:54.19 | autojack | that conflicts with nvidia |
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| 05:56.22 | k\t | !seen saffron |
| 05:56.22 | dpkg | k\t: i haven't seen 'saffron' |
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| 05:56.37 | Torrentow | hello |
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| 05:58.48 | Torrentow | http://pastebin.com/0gGRiDaM how to run openvz kernel in ovh kimstufi ? |
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| 06:04.14 | kayve | will I get my head bit off for asking about alien here? |
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| 06:07.12 | macrobat | maybe someone here knows howto use alien |
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| 06:07.49 | kayve | I heard ubuntu is built on debian, and those folks seem to need help on how to save files to disk or something.. nobody responds to me |
| 06:08.04 | kayve | I have a Matlab installation and I need this program called libdap to get data |
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| 06:08.47 | kayve | it was an rpm I got something extracted I ran ./configure but then make didn't work because there was no "Makefile" only some other files called Makefile.(i forget..lemeelook) |
| 06:09.13 | kayve | I'm supposed to use this #flood thingie? |
| 06:09.14 | indigoflux | kayve: Could you try installing the Debian package of libdap? |
| 06:09.38 | kayve | It doesn't seem to have many versions.. just Windows, Mac, and .. gerk.. lemee find that link |
| 06:09.40 | macrobat | kayve: try a pastebin :) |
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| 06:10.34 | kayve | http://pastebin.com/wA5gESwZ |
| 06:10.37 | macrobat | ,versions libdap |
| 06:10.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libdap' was found. |
| 06:11.40 | kayve | http://opendap.org/download/ml-structs.html |
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| 06:11.52 | kayve | that's the website for this program |
| 06:12.35 | kayve | three choices 1)Mac 2)windoze 3) Linux Linux (x86_64/i386) |
| 06:13.51 | indigoflux | ,versions libdap-bin |
| 06:13.53 | judd | libdap-bin -- sid: 3.9.3-5; squeeze: 3.9.3-5 |
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| 06:14.04 | kayve | umm? |
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| 06:15.11 | indigoflux | You might want to try and install libdap-bin and libdap-dev from the squeeze package repository. |
| 06:15.50 | indigoflux | That's probably what you need to build it. |
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| 06:15.51 | kayve | where is this squeeze package of which you speak? |
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| 06:15.58 | jair | guys I am trying to set up a variable for DERBY_HOME, where the files and directory where the program is located => "/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin" and this is my current PATH=PATH=/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_18/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin |
| 06:16.30 | macrobat | squeeze is a debian testing "distribution" |
| 06:16.35 | jair | I meant PATH=/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_18/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin |
| 06:16.41 | kayve | I have some thing extracted in my $HOME(/home/kayve)/src that I showed on the pastebin.. do I mull around in there? or .. |
| 06:16.43 | macrobat | newer than stable |
| 06:17.01 | rfranknj | it appears the current testing netinst disk is broken somehow. it said it couldn't create the filesystem, when i looked at the log partman said /dev/hda6 didn't exist.. stable netinst is working |
| 06:17.27 | kayve | I extracted a directory called libdap-3.9.3 do I cd to there? |
| 06:17.37 | jair | so if I need to create a variable $DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin When I try to do that I get an error "not such a file or directory" |
| 06:17.46 | jair | what I am doing wrong here =( |
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| 06:18.30 | kayve | I found a debian subdirectory http://pastebin.com/a4dZia76 |
| 06:18.42 | jair | as you can see I prepended the java one since I have two versions installed and the one on the path is the version of java I want to use. |
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| 06:19.04 | macrobat | kayve: i dont really know how rpm or alien work. try installing from debian testing |
| 06:19.38 | kayve | I have a bad confession root@kayve-laptop:/home/kayve/src/matlab/libdap-3.9.3/debian# uname -a |
| 06:19.39 | kayve | Linux kayve-laptop 2.6.31-19-generic #56-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 28 02:39:34 UTC 2010 |
| 06:19.57 | kayve | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.14 | kayve | I thought I created a deb with alien |
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| 06:20.37 | kayve | I thought I accomplished that. I have a bunch of untarred stuff here.. umm.. well.. maybe I grabbed a tarball I found.. heh {:} |
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| 06:21.18 | kayve | you guys are telling me to make a new partition and build a debian there? {:P |
| 06:21.23 | kayve | I'm in trouble. |
| 06:21.26 | kayve | oh oh |
| 06:21.31 | kayve | bad toad I am |
| 06:22.19 | macrobat | kayve: this is how you make a deb package http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 06:22.36 | macrobat | maybe not very helpful in your case |
| 06:24.43 | kayve | if I still have the tarball (*.deb file? I think I do..) I just to "apt-get install *.deb?" |
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| 06:25.01 | kayve | I do that willy nilly on here.. brake bakey? |
| 06:25.53 | indigoflux | kayve: dpkg -i *.deb if you have the package |
| 06:26.06 | kayve | I feel I have done that.. not 100% sure. |
| 06:26.56 | kayve | root@kayve-laptop:/home/kayve/src/matlab# locate *.deb |
| 06:26.56 | kayve | /home/kayve/src/matlab/libdap-devel_3.9.3-2_amd64.deb |
| 06:26.56 | kayve | /home/kayve/src/matlab/libdap_3.9.3-2_amd64.deb |
| 06:27.14 | kayve | I always feel I want devel pakages.. is there a danger in doing that if you don't know why? |
| 06:27.44 | kayve | I am supposed to be a Computer Science student.. don't feel I really deserve that title right now |
| 06:28.25 | k\t | well i always thought devel packages are used if you want to compile from source... |
| 06:28.37 | kayve | Not sure I should do the amd64. Some folks were telling me it is getting mushy now x86_32b_64b_amd64 whatev? |
| 06:28.41 | k\t | so if you use seources... |
| 06:28.55 | k\t | sources* |
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| 06:29.05 | indigoflux | kayve: Does dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:29.09 | kayve | I don't mind waiting for compilations. THat's when you can get coffee or look at porn |
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| 06:29.29 | indigoflux | Er, "dpkg --get-selections | grep libdap" return anything? |
| 06:29.33 | k\t | kayve: =) |
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| 06:29.41 | tom_mahoon1 | hey guys i'm trying to update an e1000 driver, i've installed the latest version from intel. but it keeps loading the old driver, is there a way i can make the kernel load the later driver? |
| 06:30.02 | kayve | root@kayve-laptop:/home/kayve/src/matlab# dpkg --get-selections | grep libdap |
| 06:30.02 | kayve | libdapinstall |
| 06:30.02 | kayve | libdap-develinstall |
| 06:30.31 | k\t | æ¥ |
| 06:30.32 | indigoflux | Okay, so you've got it installed. |
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| 06:30.53 | kayve | root@kayve-laptop:/home/kayve/src/matlab# ls /usr/local/bin |
| 06:30.54 | kayve | matlab mex |
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| 06:31.08 | kayve | root@kayve-laptop:/home/kayve/src/matlab# ls /usr/local | grep libdap |
| 06:31.12 | kayve | nothing |
| 06:31.16 | kayve | that last command |
| 06:31.19 | indigoflux | Then you should use the instructions on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 to build a Debian package for the original software you want to build |
| 06:31.26 | indigoflux | Since you've got the dependency of libdap installed |
| 06:31.47 | indigoflux | Or you can just ./configure and then make (the dirty way) :P |
| 06:31.56 | Origen | Hi, I've done some Googleing but cant find what I'm after, can someone point me in the right direction to help me understand what the "/devv/mapper/" directory does? |
| 06:32.13 | kayve | do I do dpkg -i libdap-devel_3.9.3-2_amd64.deb ? |
| 06:32.32 | indigoflux | kayve: dpkg says it's already installed, though |
| 06:32.36 | indigoflux | Maybe not in /usr/local |
| 06:33.45 | indigoflux | Or you can alien the loaddap package on the website as well |
| 06:34.07 | kayve | just alien *.rpm I forget |
| 06:34.42 | kayve | jeez |
| 06:34.58 | kayve | I should test the dang app..? have I done that? cripes where are my files.. |
| 06:35.28 | macrobat | updatedb, then locate |
| 06:36.14 | jair | guys if I need to create the variable for DERBY_HOME how can I do that and make sure I can add it to my $PATH? |
| 06:37.25 | \amethyst | Origen: the links at http://wiki.debian.org/LVM might be helpful |
| 06:37.33 | kayve | nope something's wrong |
| 06:37.36 | \amethyst | !lvm |
| 06:37.36 | kayve | ??? Undefined function or method 'loaddap' |
| 06:37.36 | dpkg | lvm is, like, the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:37.37 | jair | basically I think I need a variable like this one $DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin/ |
| 06:37.40 | kayve | this is a MatLab message |
| 06:37.47 | PinkFreud | Origen: /dev/mapper is used by the devicemapper |
| 06:38.05 | kayve | "locate libdap" gave me hella stuf |
| 06:38.26 | PinkFreud | Origen: typically, the dm_* modules which may be loaded into your kernel. |
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| 06:38.41 | Origen | amethyst/dpkg: Thank you |
| 06:39.08 | jair | but when I try to create that variable I get the message => [root@tpmosd1 bin]# $DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin/ |
| 06:39.11 | jair | -bash: =/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin/: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.38 | \amethyst | Origen: also http://sourceware.org/dm/ |
| 06:39.49 | jair | is this because of the obvious reason that there is not a path on the current $PATH of my system? |
| 06:39.52 | PinkFreud | jair: because you're expanding the variable $DERBY_HOME |
| 06:39.55 | \amethyst | Origen: strictly speaking, device-mapper is separate from LVM, but they're usually used together |
| 06:40.00 | Origen | I've created an encrypted volume ontop of the LVM and I was just concerned as to wether the logical volume was somehow locked elsewhere if referencec in /dev/mapper and wether this would cause problems with my encrypted partition ontop of the LV |
| 06:40.12 | PinkFreud | DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin/ should work. |
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| 06:40.19 | jair | PinkFreud: sorry I am not folowing you? can you be more specific? =( |
| 06:40.35 | PinkFreud | DERBY_HOME=... is used to set the variable $DERBY_HOME |
| 06:40.54 | kayve | maybe there is something else "loaddap?" hmm. |
| 06:41.07 | jair | PinkFreud: ok but I thought that to create variables you needed to use this: $blah=123 |
| 06:41.09 | PinkFreud | the shell expands $DERBY_HOME to whatever it's set to, so if you try to do $DERBY_HOME=... you'll get rather unexpected results |
| 06:41.27 | PinkFreud | jair: in the shell, you only use the $ to expand the variable. |
| 06:41.38 | PinkFreud | in other words, you do NOT use it to set the variable. |
| 06:41.42 | jair | PinkFreud: I guess I will have to continue reading about path etc.... let me try what you adviced me =) |
| 06:41.57 | jair | PinkFreud: ohhh ok |
| 06:42.38 | jair | PinkFreud: if I type the command: env I get my current PATH ===> PATH=/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_18/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin |
| 06:42.51 | kayve | OK.. umm. I guess I am asked the professor now because that is seeming the current recourse |
| 06:43.07 | jair | so this will be a different from that new DERBY_HOME variable correct? |
| 06:43.16 | jair | PinkFreud: so this will be a different from that new DERBY_HOME variable correct? |
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| 06:43.23 | PinkFreud | yes, $DERBY_HOME is a completely seperate variable |
| 06:43.42 | jair | PinkFreud: I see, let me try to define the variable and see if works |
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| 06:44.53 | jair | PinkFreud: alright I ran it without the $ and I did not received an error message |
| 06:45.21 | jair | PinkFreud: I will go ahead and start the application since I should have the path setup. |
| 06:46.48 | jair | PinkFreud: how can I probe that the variable is set in my path? |
| 06:47.01 | jair | PinkFreud: the one I just created |
| 06:47.41 | jair | PinkFreud: "DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin" if I type "env" I do not see it |
| 06:48.00 | jair | I guess will be with $DERBY_HOME? |
| 06:48.29 | PinkFreud | echo $DERBY_HOME |
| 06:48.56 | jair | PinkFreud: that's right I need to be slapped =( |
| 06:49.07 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 06:49.26 | PinkFreud | ok, I'm out now. |
| 06:50.13 | jair | PinkFreud: alright so it looks like that variable is defined now I am trying to execute the command ====>http://paste.debian.net/62523/ |
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| 06:50.33 | jair | PinkFreud: hey I am almost done =) |
| 06:50.51 | jair | PinkFreud: you have been very helpful I really appreciate your help |
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| 07:03.21 | jair | guys please what I am doing wrong here ===>http://paste.debian.net/62525/ |
| 07:04.04 | jair | I am trying to setup a variable -----> DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin (did this) |
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| 07:04.45 | jair | and I still get the error --->Error: DERBY_HOME is not set. Please set the DERBY_HOME environment variable |
| 07:04.48 | jair | to the location of your Derby installation. |
| 07:05.03 | the-dude | jair: try grepping for DERBY_HOME in de scripts , maybe you need to set it in there |
| 07:05.50 | jair | the-dude: on the scripts I am running? e.g. startNetworkServer |
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| 07:07.11 | the-dude | jair: yeah or other script which get called from there |
| 07:07.24 | the-dude | egrep -R DERBY_HOME * or so |
| 07:07.33 | jair | the-dude: http://paste.debian.net/62526/ |
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| 07:08.11 | the-dude | try export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin |
| 07:08.24 | jair | the-dude: http://paste.debian.net/62527/ |
| 07:08.32 | the-dude | and then bash ./startNetworkServer |
| 07:08.44 | jair | the-dude: ok |
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| 07:09.04 | the-dude | assuming it is a bash script |
| 07:09.36 | jair | the-dude: what does export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin will do? |
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| 07:09.57 | the-dude | man export |
| 07:10.06 | jair | I already have the variable ----> echo $DERBY_HOME |
| 07:10.08 | jair | /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin |
| 07:10.47 | larrikin | help export (even) |
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| 07:12.38 | Z4ndX | Hello.. Does any one know if NFS support sharing of a crypted drive ? (dm-crypt). I crypted one of my drive and after i mounted it i cannot connect to it with NFS ? |
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| 07:12.49 | jair | the-dude: [root@tpmosd1 ~]# bash ./startNetworkServer |
| 07:12.49 | jair | bash: ./startNetworkServer: No such file or directory |
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| 07:13.14 | the-dude | jair: what did you download? |
| 07:13.24 | jair | did not work man, I am telling you there is something I am missing here and I will slap myself because will be a very symple thing |
| 07:13.38 | jair | the-dude: I downloaded apache-derby |
| 07:13.46 | jair | the-dude: is a database |
| 07:14.12 | jair | I decompress the tar.gz in the "/usr/" directory. |
| 07:14.25 | the-dude | jair: the latest version? |
| 07:14.36 | jair | the-dude: that is why I have ----> /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin |
| 07:14.44 | jair | yes |
| 07:15.49 | jair | the-dude: maybe I should try downloading a different version, earlier one =( |
| 07:16.35 | the-dude | export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin |
| 07:16.41 | the-dude | not export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin |
| 07:16.49 | jair | ok |
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| 07:16.58 | the-dude | works fine :) |
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| 07:18.12 | jair | the-dude: huh? I do not see any improvement? I still can not run it =( |
| 07:18.14 | jair | [root@tpmosd1 ~]# echo $DERBY_HOME |
| 07:18.14 | jair | /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin |
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| 07:20.30 | jair | the-dude: what do you mean with "works fine :)" =( |
| 07:21.22 | jair | the-dude: I see what you mean |
| 07:21.29 | debeee | is there a linux remote desktop tool that will work with xp remote desktop? |
| 07:21.53 | stockholm | rdesktop? |
| 07:22.00 | jair | the-dude: it looks like I need to go to the directory "/usr/..... to run [root@tpmosd1 ~]# echo $DERBY_HOME |
| 07:22.01 | the-dude | debeee: rdesktop or tsclient |
| 07:22.03 | jair | /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin |
| 07:22.06 | jair | [root@tpmosd1 ~]# cd /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/ |
| 07:22.08 | debeee | thanks |
| 07:22.08 | jair | [root@tpmosd1 db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin]# ls |
| 07:22.11 | jair | bin demo docs index.html javadoc KEYS lib LICENSE NOTICE RELEASE-NOTES.html test |
| 07:22.14 | jair | [root@tpmosd1 db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin]# cd bin/ |
| 07:22.17 | jair | [root@tpmosd1 bin]# ls |
| 07:22.19 | jair | dblook derby_common.sh NetworkServerControl setEmbeddedCP.bat setNetworkServerCP startNetworkServer.bat sysinfo |
| 07:22.22 | jair | sorry |
| 07:22.25 | the-dude | no |
| 07:22.51 | the-dude | jair: you can put export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin in the startNetworkServer script |
| 07:23.01 | jair | the-dude: I need to go to the directory /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin |
| 07:23.10 | the-dude | or just DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin will be fine too |
| 07:23.20 | dzikasosna | yesterday i upgraded my debian testing system. when i boot the 2.6.32-trunk kernel my screen goes blank just after "loading please wait". if i boot recovery mode the screen also goes blank, but a bit later. i don't use x-window. how can i solve this problem? |
| 07:23.33 | jair | the-dude: I see, let me check the script |
| 07:23.35 | jair | =) |
| 07:23.50 | the-dude | jair: most likely yes , because that directory is not in your path |
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| 07:25.12 | jair | the-dude: so I need to do two things add the export command to the script and also add the directory to my PATH? |
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| 07:26.15 | jair | the-dude: here is the script ---->http://paste.debian.net/62529/ |
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| 07:26.44 | boon | Hi |
| 07:26.45 | jair | the-dude: so on the script I can add the line ---> export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin anywhere? |
| 07:26.55 | boon | -bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 07:26.59 | boon | what should i do? |
| 07:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | look up what distro it is... |
| 07:27.30 | jair | boon: are you in debian? run this command please cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:27.40 | the-dude | jair: just put DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin below the last # |
| 07:27.46 | boon | cat: /etc/debian_version: Aucun fichier ou r¨¦pertoire de ce type |
| 07:27.58 | the-dude | boon: uname -a |
| 07:28.03 | boon | cat /proc/version |
| 07:28.04 | boon | Linux version 2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 (root@kernel-32.ovh.net) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1) ) #7 SMP Wed Sep 9 22:05:06 UTC 2009 |
| 07:28.18 | boon | it say debian there |
| 07:28.24 | jair | interesting |
| 07:28.34 | jair | the-dude: ok I will do that |
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| 07:28.38 | boon | what distro is that |
| 07:28.39 | boon | ? |
| 07:28.44 | the-dude | boon: do you have aptitude ? |
| 07:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if I interpret that correctly, /etc/debian_version is missing |
| 07:29.06 | boon | -bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 07:29.18 | the-dude | boon: dpkg ? |
| 07:29.33 | boon | -bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 07:29.33 | autojack | hmm. so I got the nvidia driver to load (nvidia-fb was conflicting with it), but now Xorg complains that it can't find the module. yet it's visible in lsmod. anyone know what I could be doing wrong? |
| 07:29.38 | boon | darn it |
| 07:29.42 | boon | @.@ |
| 07:30.18 | jair | the-dude: alright I put DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin under the last comment line. now I need to add the directory to my $PATH? |
| 07:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bet a warm fart it's not debian |
| 07:30.40 | jair | the-dude: so I can run the scripts without going to that directory all the time? |
| 07:30.46 | the-dude | CutMeOwnThroat: *g* |
| 07:30.56 | boon | gentoo? |
| 07:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, I should be more careful... guess I won one |
| 07:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, ubuntu |
| 07:31.09 | the-dude | jair: you need to add the directory to your path |
| 07:31.14 | boon | not ubuntu |
| 07:31.21 | boon | not showing anything |
| 07:31.22 | boon | @.@ |
| 07:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=2.6.27.10-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 |
| 07:31.24 | the-dude | boon: where did you download it ? |
| 07:31.42 | boon | not mine |
| 07:31.49 | boon | its was my client |
| 07:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grsec |
| 07:31.53 | dpkg | it has been said that grsecurity is http://www.grsecurity.net/features.php http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1551 |
| 07:31.57 | the-dude | then who installed it, and from waht ? |
| 07:32.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that might give you only a subset of programs |
| 07:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that's just a guess |
| 07:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, the same kernel also turns up in some suse error |
| 07:33.10 | boon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:33.54 | Pinchiukas | Is there a tool in debian that'd allow to pastebin files like wgetpaste in gentoo? |
| 07:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | okok, and in some debian bug... back to zero |
| 07:33.58 | rfranknj | i just installed flash player into google chrome but flash files are still not playing |
| 07:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | boon, what does it say when you telnet into the ssh port? |
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| 07:36.49 | jair | the-dude: I added to the path and place it on the "/etc/profile" so all users have the access to run the programs the regular user, new users and root =) I will be the only one using the machine anyway |
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| 07:37.18 | the-dude | jair: you could have added in your own profile aswell, but whatever works for you |
| 07:37.21 | nvz | Pinchiukas: pastebinit |
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| 07:38.30 | Pinchiukas | nvz: how the hell do I use it? :) |
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| 07:38.48 | nvz | Pinchiukas: rtfm? |
| 07:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you call it |
| 07:39.11 | Pinchiukas | nvz: doesn't seem to work for me. :) Give me an example. |
| 07:39.24 | nvz | Pinchiukas: man pastebinit |
| 07:39.40 | nvz | Pinchiukas: you have the f'n program, I don't... so don't be an arse |
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| 07:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | boon, could be anything - all uname says the kernel was compiled on a debian machine... which might hint at debian or not |
| 07:41.18 | jair | the-dude: the only part I could not understand is when you put export DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin instead of ----> DERBY_HOME=/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin |
| 07:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in /etc, there's similar files to /etc/debian_version for other distributions |
| 07:41.50 | the-dude | jair: it needs to know where all files are instead of just the binaries |
| 07:42.09 | jair | the-dude: but where did you figured that out? =) |
| 07:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jair, we're all psychics... |
| 07:42.29 | the-dude | jair: read documentations :p |
| 07:42.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be, considering the precise questions you sometimes get here |
| 07:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "It's broken, help, help!" |
| 07:43.18 | nvz | it puts the lotion on the skin.. |
| 07:43.27 | jair | the-dude: which documentation the one from apache derby? |
| 07:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | we all start out with tarot cards, then work our way up to hand reading, the flight of birds (or the wobbling of their guts when you cut them open) and finally... end up in #debian |
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| 07:44.53 | jair | the-dude: here is the last thing, you said I need to put the directory in my path ---> PATH=/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/java/jdk1.6.0_18/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin:/root/bin |
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| 07:45.20 | jair | the-dude: now I have the /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin in the path of my $PATH |
| 07:45.56 | simonrvn | omfg, what have you done to your box? |
| 07:46.06 | jair | the-dude: I can't still start the script from my home or anyother directory but that one --->/usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin |
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| 07:46.47 | the-dude | add /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin otherwise it won check there |
| 07:47.13 | jair | the-dude: hahahaha somehow I knew you were going to tell me that :P |
| 07:47.26 | simonrvn | uh, duh |
| 07:47.48 | the-dude | jair: if you want to install it in a decent way don install it in /usr |
| 07:47.49 | jair | the-dude: so for the application to run need this ----> /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin and for the variable env path ----> /usr/db-derby-10.5.3.0-bin/bin |
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| 07:48.23 | jair | the-dude: I was just following a install guide from an IBM product =( |
| 07:48.28 | the-dude | jair: yes the application needs to know where everthing is, and the user only needs to know where the "binairy's" are |
| 07:49.26 | jair | the-dude: I see, but when you sent me to read documentations where did you see that explained? |
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| 07:49.59 | the-dude | jair: read about bash |
| 07:50.05 | jair | the-dude: because for me sisnce I did not understand well I was setting the application and variable to access the binaries |
| 07:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but jair... the fun is in the searching - should he ruin it for you? |
| 07:50.28 | truespace1 | hi I have a question about the debian packages (all 25,000 of them) - is the sourcecode for each of these packages included in the debian distribution? |
| 07:50.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
| 07:51.00 | jair | CutMeOwnThroat: he is actually going above and beyond and I really appreciate that. He is been an exemplar teacher here |
| 07:51.19 | the-dude | truespace1: not really included, but it is available |
| 07:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you get them with... |
| 07:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !deb-src |
| 07:51.26 | dpkg | deb-src is probably 'deb-src http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<cc>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and libc6-dev installed. |
| 07:51.46 | truespace1 | the-dude: how is it available? can I download all of the sourcecode in one place? |
| 07:51.49 | jair | the-dude: thank you so so much again for the explanation, help and time. You are awesome |
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| 07:52.04 | the-dude | truespace1: yes see what CutMeOwnThroat said |
| 07:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, you add a deb-src line like this to your sources.list, then you get them with apt-get source <packagename> |
| 07:52.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, see what dpkg said above |
| 07:52.22 | the-dude | jair: no worries |
| 07:52.55 | jair | the-dude: pressing tab now this is what I get ----> [root@tpmosd1 ~]# start |
| 07:52.55 | jair | startNetworkServer startNetworkServer.bat start_udev startx |
| 07:52.59 | jair | much much better =) |
| 07:53.00 | truespace1 | does it download all the packages sourcecode from the debian website? |
| 07:53.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, (for the deb-src line) |
| 07:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | only the one you specified |
| 07:53.18 | the-dude | truespace1: no just the one you ask it to download |
| 07:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's coming from the server you entered with that line |
| 07:53.31 | the-dude | it would be stupid if it would download all :o |
| 07:53.34 | truespace1 | yI would like to download all the packages source code at once |
| 07:53.36 | jair | the-dude: I am reading about path and bash I want to really understand, but working with you makes things way clearer |
| 07:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what the hell for? |
| 07:53.55 | truespace1 | why is that stupid? |
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| 07:54.18 | the-dude | truespace1: why would you want to download all the sources :/ |
| 07:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | download 50GB when you need 50kb? |
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| 07:54.38 | truespace1 | 50GB??! |
| 07:54.47 | truespace1 | no I think it is far less than that |
| 07:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, dunno, but... as you said... there's a lot of them |
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| 07:55.15 | jamieleshaw | Hello, i'm going to switch to Debian(I currently use Ubuntu 9.10) compared to Ubuntu just how stable is Debian testing? |
| 07:55.36 | truespace1 | I dont understand why the source isn't distributed with the debian released packages |
| 07:55.46 | simonrvn | jamieleshaw: stable is tsbale |
| 07:55.50 | simonrvn | stable* |
| 07:55.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, it is |
| 07:56.06 | simonrvn | truespace1: um, that's what source packages are? |
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| 07:56.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, ya know how many GB all source packages fill? |
| 07:56.39 | the-dude | truespace1: why would you distribute source :/ |
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| 07:56.47 | the-dude | its not fucking gentoo |
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| 07:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the-dude, you would if you were gen.... well, you beat me to that one |
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| 07:57.05 | jair | the-dude: it looks like everything is running fine now. I will take a break and continue tomorrow with the rest of the product installation |
| 07:57.07 | simonrvn | !dstats |
| 07:57.13 | truespace1 | why not distribute sourcecode? |
| 07:57.26 | jair | the-dude: thank you very much and take care |
| 07:57.26 | truespace1 | it can be compressed as it is text and takes up almost no space |
| 07:57.29 | simonrvn | truespace1: IT IS DISTRIBUTED |
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| 07:57.32 | the-dude | truespace1: cause it is pretty useless for 98% of the users |
| 07:57.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 28375 packages, 2113 maintainers, 86667 MB installed size, 32057 MB compressed size. |
| 07:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's binary packages, no? |
| 07:58.08 | simonrvn | but like the-dude said, 99% of users don't need it, so deb-src lines are not automaticall added to sources.list files |
| 07:58.15 | simonrvn | *y |
| 07:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he wants all source packages |
| 07:58.32 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, yeah, but how likely is it I will run into a bug? will it be ok like ubuntu? |
| 07:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, well, wget is your friend... or aget or whatever |
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| 07:58.43 | simonrvn | jamieleshaw: all software has bugs |
| 07:58.50 | truespace1 | I think there should be a distribution available for download that has ALL legal package source code included |
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| 07:58.51 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, and yes i know it's a n00b-ish question |
| 07:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you don't know that, I don't see what the hell you would want with all the sources |
| 07:59.08 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, I know, but will it be ok? |
| 07:59.23 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, I'm assuming yes.... |
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| 07:59.46 | simonrvn | jamieleshaw: what is a fairer question is how quickly bugs gets resolved. the answer to that is how quickly you file a bug report, and how quickly and urgent the bug is. |
| 07:59.52 | simonrvn | get* |
| 08:00.02 | Blackhold | hello, could someone help me please? how I could see the transfer rate on scsi? |
| 08:00.08 | simonrvn | !lart my typist for adding extra plurals |
| 08:00.08 | jamieleshaw | ok, thanks I'll use testing then |
| 08:00.08 | dpkg | puts my typist through a wood chipper for adding extra plurals |
| 08:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, it *is* distributed - you *can* download them all, it just doesn't happen on it's own and of course they're not included with the CDs because that would be useless |
| 08:00.18 | jamieleshaw | mv thanks Thanks |
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| 08:00.33 | simonrvn | jamieleshaw: you'll get *more* bugs from testing |
| 08:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Blackhold, bonnie++? |
| 08:00.43 | truespace1 | I dont think its really opensource if you dont have a distribution available with as much source code as possible included, in a compressed format ideally |
| 08:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | truespace1, ok, for the 100th time, it *is* distributed |
| 08:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | from my part this is finished |
| 08:01.17 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, I know, but it should be perfectly useable anyway right? |
| 08:01.20 | Blackhold | CutMeOwnThroat: thnks... gonna see... |
| 08:01.25 | jamieleshaw | mv useable use-able |
| 08:01.27 | simonrvn | truespace1: you're not listening, are you? |
| 08:01.31 | simonrvn | jamieleshaw: usually |
| 08:01.51 | truespace1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 08:01.57 | truespace1 | that is the download link for debian for my PC |
| 08:02.02 | truespace1 | its about 18GB |
| 08:02.03 | simonrvn | your point? |
| 08:02.03 | the-dude | truespace1: then download the deb-src mirror with apt-mirror and have fun |
| 08:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 08:02.07 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, Thanks! |
| 08:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's an install dvd |
| 08:02.21 | simonrvn | jamieleshaw: np, have fun |
| 08:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, \ignore |
| 08:02.34 | simonrvn | !plonk |
| 08:02.34 | dpkg | it has been said that plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 08:02.35 | jamieleshaw | simonrvn, I will :) |
| 08:03.21 | truespace1 | I guess there is no efficient way to download all the package source code at once |
| 08:03.30 | the-dude | truespace1: apt-mirror |
| 08:03.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | why the hell is my machine beeping |
| 08:04.21 | jamieleshaw | CutMeOwnThroat, Elaborate. |
| 08:04.24 | macrobat | it feels too warm, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 08:04.42 | Blackhold | CutMeOwnThroat: and using files and programs installed on system? does in some place on /proc that shows that? |
| 08:04.45 | jelly-hme | truespace1: to what purpose? |
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| 08:05.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | the regular ^G-sound... thought I was getting mail, but nope |
| 08:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird |
| 08:05.28 | jelly-hme | CutMeOwnThroat: evil jelly sending you ^G in /msg? |
| 08:05.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's complicated by that I'm using x11vnc and I guess 2 machines could beep :) |
| 08:05.33 | simonrvn | truespace1: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ # for example |
| 08:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, perhaps some of those weird x11vnc errors also create beeps :) |
| 08:06.24 | simonrvn | now, if you don't mind stopping this nonsense about "not distributing source", i'll go back to RL.... |
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| 08:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | "how about wget -r -l 4 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/" |
| 08:07.25 | simonrvn | yeh, and get ftpmaster people pissed at you for weeks |
| 08:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 08:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mirrors do nothing else |
| 08:07.54 | simonrvn | for a reason! |
| 08:08.02 | truespace1 | exactly, thats why I was thinking it would be good to have all package source packaged together for efficient download |
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| 08:08.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and wget doesn't do parallel |
| 08:08.33 | macrobat | use a mirror that is close to you |
| 08:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, not only will nobody be pissed, it's probably not even noticed :) |
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| 08:09.49 | truespace1 | simple solution: 7zip the source code for each package and include it in the main distribution, the distribution size will go from 18GB to 18.1GB :) |
| 08:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Einstein said something about the rising population or somesuch |
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| 08:12.48 | simonrvn | ok, /ignore for me too |
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| 08:13.49 | jamieleshaw | Is there a debian squeeze lxde only? |
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| 08:15.33 | rfranknj | hey, i've got a big virtual option in my xorg.conf but xrandr still won't make dualhead work |
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| 08:15.56 | rfranknj | grandr has extend greyed out under output layout like it's not possible or something |
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| 08:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the xorg in lenny only supports rander 1.1, which might not have the features you need |
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| 08:19.14 | andrew1618 | what is a nice light linux distro other than dam small linux? |
| 08:19.33 | jamieleshaw | andrew1618, Debian LXDE |
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| 08:20.05 | rfranknj | debian w/ fluxbox |
| 08:20.11 | rfranknj | :] |
| 08:21.54 | at0m | hi, how do i find out what character set a filesystem uses? |
| 08:22.45 | at0m | thought the machine was all utf-8, but some app wants to know explicitly and i'm not sure it really is utf-8 |
| 08:22.49 | andrew1618 | jamieleshaw, I just installed that last night and it wont even boot, it just gives me a black screen when booting into the gui |
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| 08:23.05 | jamieleshaw | andrew1618, oh ok |
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| 08:23.26 | irssi | hi |
| 08:23.46 | lulu | one realy nerd question |
| 08:23.56 | truespace1 | is there any technical or other reason for not including all the legal package sourcecode with the debian distribution? |
| 08:24.19 | macrobat | truespace1: you can stop trolling now, even i get it |
| 08:24.20 | lulu | i accidently removed some perl modules from debian |
| 08:24.41 | andrew1618 | is there any reason why a fresh install of debian would give me a black screen upon booting up? |
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| 08:24.49 | truespace1 | macrobat: no sir, not trolling |
| 08:24.52 | lulu | and i am not able over dpkg even install perl.deb |
| 08:24.59 | lulu | what to do now? |
| 08:25.20 | at0m | andrew1618: it turns black when the desktop's supposed to appear? |
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| 08:25.21 | macrobat | truespace1: this is how you make a deb package http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
| 08:26.04 | lulu | how can i fix this problem and correctly install perl again |
| 08:26.22 | andrew1618 | at0m, yes |
| 08:26.27 | lulu | apt-get and dpkg seems like they work with those missing perl modules |
| 08:26.30 | truespace1 | macrobat: that requires you to download the package source code |
| 08:26.54 | andrew1618 | at0m, ctrl+alt+f# does not get me anywhere |
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| 08:27.32 | at0m | hm. i'd check /var/log/X*, but if the TTY's dont respond either.. |
| 08:27.54 | andrew1618 | at0m, how can I check them when it stalls at a black screen? |
| 08:28.00 | DogBoy | truespace1, what's the question? |
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| 08:29.01 | truespace1 | DogBoy: my question was: is there any technical or other reason for not including all the legal package sourcecode with the debian distribution? |
| 08:29.03 | at0m | andrew1618: what if you boot the recovery more? (select it in grub's boot menu) |
| 08:29.08 | at0m | s/more/mode |
| 08:29.19 | DogBoy | what do you mean by legal truespace1 |
| 08:29.36 | truespace1 | ie. packages that have a license that allows source redistribution |
| 08:29.48 | DogBoy | what would the point be of that |
| 08:30.11 | at0m | truespace1: how large would you want a CD to be, when the vast majority don't ever use source code? |
| 08:30.19 | truespace1 | DogBoy: what is the point of distributing the package sourcecode? |
| 08:30.35 | DogBoy | yes |
| 08:30.36 | at0m | DogBoy: he's stuck in a loop. |
| 08:30.49 | jamieleshaw | break; |
| 08:30.55 | truespace1 | lol |
| 08:30.58 | DogBoy | I don't see an actual question |
| 08:31.01 | jamieleshaw | fixed! |
| 08:31.14 | truespace1 | DogBoy: ok here it is again: is there any technical or other reason for not including all the legal package sourcecode with the debian distribution? |
| 08:31.24 | at0m | anyone know how i find the charset of a partition? |
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| 08:31.25 | DogBoy | .:DogBoy:. what would the point be of that |
| 08:31.26 | iceroot | is there a way to install a package from the repository and ignoring dependencies (which cant be resolved)? |
| 08:31.39 | truespace1 | DogBoy: I dont see an answer :) |
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| 08:31.50 | DogBoy | what's the point of your question truespace1 |
| 08:32.07 | ethanol | mornin' all |
| 08:32.08 | andrew1618 | at0m, i dont see a rescue mode |
| 08:32.33 | at0m | andrew1618: no boot menu w choices? |
| 08:32.33 | truespace1 | DogBoy: if you can't see the point of the question then you can't answer it I guesss |
| 08:32.54 | at0m | DogBoy: i've answered him long ago |
| 08:32.57 | DogBoy | truespace1, if you can't express the point of your question it's probably not worth answering |
| 08:33.11 | at0m | DogBoy: he keeps insisting, /ignore |
| 08:33.19 | DogBoy | relax at0m |
| 08:33.29 | at0m | ~~ |
| 08:33.30 | apt | rumour has it, ~ is the key |
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| 08:33.47 | syntaxx | anyone here familiar with awstats? |
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| 08:34.11 | DogBoy | truespace1, vague question, vague answer |
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| 08:34.33 | DogBoy | no need to have the source included |
| 08:34.50 | DogBoy | very few people would care about it |
| 08:35.45 | truespace1 | DogBoy: ok, well the point of the question is that including the legal package source in the debian distribution may add only a small amount to the overall distribution size, if the source is compressed, and there are obvious advantages to being able to have the sourcecode to these ~25,000 popular packages easily to download |
| 08:36.00 | larrikin | I'm making a hamburger, does anybody want to see the sauce ? |
| 08:36.23 | DogBoy | truespace1, and those obvious advantages are? |
| 08:36.29 | DogBoy | not being obvious |
| 08:36.45 | DogBoy | and why do you keep saying legal |
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| 08:37.28 | truespace1 | DogBoy: 1. no need to have internet access when you want to recompile a package |
| 08:37.52 | DogBoy | truespace1, why don't you go with a source based distro |
| 08:37.58 | truespace1 | DogBoy: legal as I know some of the debian packages are not able to be distributed in source |
| 08:38.05 | DogBoy | what are you doing in here if you're not trolling |
| 08:38.26 | truespace1 | DogBoy: is there a source based distro that has 25,000 packages like debian? |
| 08:38.56 | DogBoy | scratches his stuff that needs scratching |
| 08:39.01 | truespace1 | DogBoy: you have lots of questions but no answer to my original question |
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| 08:39.18 | DogBoy | well |
| 08:39.28 | DogBoy | the answer is "cause it's a dumb idea" |
| 08:39.42 | truespace1 | DogBoy: why is it a dumb idea? |
| 08:39.53 | DogBoy | why is it a good idea |
| 08:40.00 | truespace1 | I think really it is a good idea, but used to be a dumb idea |
| 08:40.13 | truespace1 | now there is higher ratio compression to make it a good idea |
| 08:40.17 | DogBoy | yea but nobody agrees with you |
| 08:40.33 | truespace1 | DogBoy: you sure? |
| 08:40.37 | DogBoy | yes |
| 08:40.45 | DogBoy | do you see anybody agreeing with you? |
| 08:40.54 | truespace1 | you only speak for yourself |
| 08:41.09 | DogBoy | that's not an answer |
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| 08:42.11 | at0m | truespace1: get your .iso at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/source/ |
| 08:42.31 | at0m | you'll have all the source and get on with it |
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| 08:43.28 | truespace1 | at0m: that is a distribution with full package source? |
| 08:44.00 | truespace1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/source/iso-dvd/ |
| 08:44.10 | DogBoy | heh |
| 08:44.34 | at0m | . |
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| 08:44.59 | DogBoy | good luck with your quest truespace1 |
| 08:45.03 | DogBoy | whatever it is |
| 08:45.25 | at0m | i think the quest just came to an end |
| 08:45.31 | truespace1 | no quest, just wondering if debian package source is available in any of the distro's :) |
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| 08:46.01 | DogBoy | I can't even figure out what you are asking |
| 08:46.28 | macrobat | its like fighting the windmills |
| 08:46.31 | at0m | somebody kick that troll |
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| 08:46.46 | DogBoy | yea windmills came to my mind too |
| 08:47.02 | DogBoy | at0m, why so excited |
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| 08:47.36 | Acony | my default browser is epiphany, how do I change it since when someone post a link on freenode and I click on it, I get epiphany window ? |
| 08:47.38 | DogBoy | he's probably just been drinking or so |
| 08:48.05 | DogBoy | or maybe needs to be |
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| 08:48.40 | at0m | yea, both are valid reasons not to be here |
| 08:49.22 | andrew1618 | ahh i got it working |
| 08:49.29 | andrew1618 | this lxde works beautifully! |
| 08:49.41 | DogBoy | nice andrew1618 |
| 08:50.08 | at0m | Acony: :) |
| 08:50.17 | truespace1 | hey can I ask one more question? |
| 08:50.20 | at0m | Acony: check out update-alternatives |
| 08:50.40 | DogBoy | truespace1, no |
| 08:50.45 | Acony | at0m, why ? |
| 08:50.46 | Acony | :D |
| 08:50.58 | truespace1 | do these files here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/source/iso-dvd/ have the source code to the 25,000 packages included in them? |
| 08:51.28 | at0m | Acony: it's a program in which to set alternatives, like for www-browser etc |
| 08:51.32 | DogBoy | oh truespace1 I guess you were being rhetorical |
| 08:51.47 | at0m | Acony: then if any app looks for a web browser, it'll look there |
| 08:51.54 | truespace1 | DogBoy: that doesnt look like an answer |
| 08:52.01 | DogBoy | .:DogBoy:. truespace1, no |
| 08:52.14 | at0m | Acony: the /etc/alternatives/ contains symlinks to the actual browser on your system |
| 08:52.25 | DogBoy | that was definitely an answer |
| 08:52.43 | at0m | Acony: unless your irc client has specific options to select web browser etc |
| 08:52.59 | at0m | Acony: in which case you'd just have to set up the irc client |
| 08:53.18 | Acony | at0m, ok then, will try this thanks for the very useful info |
| 08:53.49 | at0m | Acony: don't know all the little tidbits myself, but that's an overview =] |
| 08:54.40 | truespace1 | wow its only 1am, it feels like I've been trying to get a straight answer for hours |
| 08:55.01 | DogBoy | how can you get a straight answer to a question that's crooked |
| 08:55.43 | truespace1 | DogBoy: how can you get any answer when you always ask questions |
| 08:55.54 | at0m | DogBoy: get my point now? |
| 08:56.02 | DogBoy | at0m, what's it matter to you |
| 08:56.20 | DogBoy | you tell me to put him on ignore but you keep getting fired up |
| 08:56.31 | DogBoy | maybe take your own advice |
| 08:56.32 | Acony | at0m, sorry for te noob questions but what command should I pass to update-alternatives, when I brows this directory I see mozilla there :P |
| 08:56.49 | Acony | and I don't get it's manual very well :( |
| 08:57.08 | at0m | DogBoy: this is a support channel. for all the rest, there's #debian-offtopic |
| 08:57.21 | DogBoy | and? |
| 08:57.33 | at0m | gets back to work /o |
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| 09:00.08 | truespace1 | I read that there are 283million lines of code in the packages in Debian 4.0 etch, wonder how many GB that is compressed with 7zip |
| 09:00.26 | truespace1 | thats from the wikipedia Debian page |
| 09:00.32 | DogBoy | k |
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| 09:03.44 | Acony | at0m, I solved it, but on a different way |
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| 09:04.23 | Acony | since I am using gnome, I just went to proffered applications and changed the default browser : |
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| 09:04.58 | at0m | Acony: right, window managers also have their prefs. so /etc/alternatives/, WM's, app options |
| 09:05.02 | at0m | bit of a mess eh |
| 09:05.35 | at0m | glad you could fix it =] |
| 09:05.45 | truespace1 | say 32KB per 1000 lines of code, gives about 9GB for 283million lines of code, and at 100x 7zip compression, that would be about 90MB of space required in the distribution to include all of the package source code, with a total package size over 15GB, that is less than 0.6% increase in distribution size |
| 09:06.05 | DogBoy | k |
| 09:06.15 | Acony | at0m yeap something like that... now I have another problem and it would be great to solve it, since the debian isnt friendly like ubuntu, on ubuntu everything works without setup on my lap-top :P |
| 09:06.44 | Acony | I have a problem with hibernation since my laptop ain't going to sleep mode when I close it |
| 09:06.53 | Acony | any ideas how to solve it ? |
| 09:07.05 | at0m | Acony: untill you want to change something there :o |
| 09:07.35 | Acony | at0m, yeap something like that |
| 09:07.44 | Acony | well, I get this message Your computer failed to suspend. |
| 09:07.45 | Acony | Check the help file for common problems. |
| 09:07.55 | Acony | and how do I report a "bug" ? |
| 09:08.18 | Acony | since on that window I have a button "click for help" or something like that |
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| 09:08.41 | Acony | and when I click on it, I go to this link |
| 09:08.47 | Acony | http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/ |
| 09:08.52 | at0m | you getting proper help when you click help on win? eh |
| 09:08.54 | Acony | which is not valid |
| 09:08.56 | at0m | check out /etc/acpi/events/ |
| 09:09.13 | at0m | oh it fails to suspend |
| 09:09.19 | at0m | i'm using pm-utils |
| 09:09.30 | Acony | at0m, yeap it fails to suspend |
| 09:09.54 | Acony | at0m, should I install that package or what ? |
| 09:09.55 | Acony | :D |
| 09:10.29 | at0m | not sure that's required, but i don't know how else to hibernate, standby etc |
| 09:10.51 | at0m | so that's what i'm using. aptitude install pm-utils |
| 09:11.33 | at0m | ...for power management. then on console, pm-[TAB] |
| 09:11.51 | lulu | and if i could ask another question |
| 09:12.12 | lulu | how to prepare debian install from USB stick? |
| 09:12.22 | lulu | i successful booted from USB |
| 09:13.01 | lulu | but during install process installer asked me for cd-rom device |
| 09:13.22 | Acony | hm..., Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pm-utils/pm-utils_1.2.6.1-3_all.deb: Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 130.89.149.226 21 |
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| 09:13.40 | lulu | but i copied whole cd-rom .iso to usb soo, i suppose everydata on cd-rom are currently on usb too |
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| 09:15.06 | at0m | lulu: can you google a howto? there's a couple around |
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| 09:17.03 | at0m | Acony: you can always manually get it from packages.debian.org |
| 09:17.46 | Acony | at0m, ok, but how to solve it, since i don't need to go to the url u posted above ? |
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| 09:18.02 | Acony | which repos should I use ? |
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| 09:19.08 | at0m | Acony: looking at the ftp dir you posted, looks like your cache is outdated. aptitude update |
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| 09:19.34 | at0m | out |
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| 09:20.40 | Acony | I added this to my sources.list |
| 09:20.41 | Acony | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 09:20.59 | Acony | but I am on debian testing |
| 09:21.27 | macrobat | Acony: why? thats not the way to do it |
| 09:22.20 | Acony | macrobat, why what ? |
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| 09:23.59 | Acony | OUCH |
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| 09:24.18 | Acony | well I installed pm-utils and suspend works fine now |
| 09:24.20 | Acony | but... |
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| 09:24.36 | Acony | my desktop is soo damn dark |
| 09:24.47 | Acony | how to return it to normal state ? |
| 09:24.50 | macrobat | mixing testing and stable, that will break things |
| 09:25.00 | Acony | I can't see nothing |
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| 09:25.48 | Acony | macrobat, well I just installed one package, nothing else :P |
| 09:26.29 | macrobat | Acony: did you pin it? did you disable the lenny source? |
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| 09:26.57 | Acony | macrobat, yeap |
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| 09:36.46 | Acony | this is insane |
| 09:37.44 | Acony | I must go to windows to reset the monitor brightens, and it's ok in debian then, but when I suspend it, my monitor again is dark |
| 09:38.02 | Acony | in os, in system startup in windows and so on, crazy... |
| 09:38.20 | Acony | any ideas how to fix this, since this is very annoying |
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| 09:38.52 | Acony | and I am not able to use combination of tasters (Fn+f5,f6) in debian |
| 09:40.02 | nvz | tasters? |
| 09:40.10 | nvz | someone is eating your keys? |
| 09:40.47 | Acony | nvz, nope, but I am not able to use them as "hot keys" |
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| 09:41.36 | nvz | well at least someone didn't eat them |
| 09:42.28 | Acony | nzv, wow, u are so smart, if u are hungry I can send my old keyboard to u |
| 09:42.36 | themill | Acony: have a look in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video*/{max_,}brightness |
| 09:43.23 | nvz | I just woke up moments ago and you're talking about keyboard tasters |
| 09:43.33 | Acony | themill, hm, when I pull out the "power" cable everything is normal |
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| 09:44.43 | John80 | I want to search for a string with rgrep, like 'rgrep "mystring" *' and then of all results I get back, I don't want to see those results that are in dir like '/tmp' - Anyone know how I can exclude this?> |
| 09:44.59 | Acony | themill, max brightness is 15 |
| 09:45.35 | themill | Acony: ok, so if you "echo 15 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" is it all back to normal? |
| 09:46.00 | themill | (substitute for acpi_video0 with whatever you actually have) |
| 09:46.32 | Acony | themill give me few seconds to suspend my machine |
| 09:46.55 | petemc | John80: pipe it through grep -v |
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| 09:47.50 | Acony | themill, this is a cool trick, but now it seems to be fine, I don't know how |
| 09:48.03 | Acony | yeap 15 is normal and I can adjust it on this way |
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| 09:48.52 | themill | Acony: your backlight is under software control and the Fn+F5/F6 or whatever don't work. That's not uncommon. If you have something like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave running then you can use them to configure the backlight level. |
| 09:49.17 | Acony | themill, one more question for you, am I able to somehow "connect" my fn+f5/f6 with brightness regulation ? |
| 09:49.29 | Acony | yeap I have gnome-power-manager running |
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| 09:50.26 | themill | Very occasionally, setting the right keyboard driver in X will solve this (/msg dpkg multimedia keys). But normally, if it these keys don't Just Work, there's not much you can do. |
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| 09:51.54 | Acony | themill, I don't need them but It would be cool to get them to work :P |
| 09:53.46 | themill | Acony: If you have the "powersaved" package installed, you'll have the "powersave" command. You could map Win+F5/F6 to "powersave -k d" and "powersave -k u" to give you that behaviour. If you don't have powersaved already installed, then just write a script that gets the current brightness adds/subtracts one and plonks it back into those sysfs interfaces you were just using. |
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| 09:54.30 | themill | has had to do that on a number of laptops |
| 09:54.55 | Acony | themill, very useful info, I will set this up, since the script would not be a problem to write |
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| 09:56.25 | themill | yeah, it's literally a one-liner. |
| 09:57.17 | themill | (you'll want to set password-less sudo access to run it though) |
| 09:58.46 | jelly | would be easier if /sys/ interfaces had changeable ownerships and permissions |
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| 10:06.40 | nvz | ugh.. apparently my damn wifi on the netbook has a new error now "ath5k phy0: no further txbuf available, dropping packet" f'n pos! ugh! |
| 10:07.09 | nvz | all the hits on google are people who are using it in AP mode which I am not |
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| 10:10.31 | nvz | I'd see about trying a different driver, but it seems fairly flakey in windows too.. so it may just be the hardware |
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| 10:11.54 | vorlock | hi everyone, can anybody tell me what ERROR -3 for splashy stands for? |
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| 10:17.15 | TheAvatar | I have some bash script - if I run it from console, it works just fine. if I run it from cron - it doesnt wait for line1 to complete before going to line2. Any ideas of why it behaves differently? |
| 10:22.26 | nvz | the only idea I have on the subject is that you've jumped to an incorrect conclusion. You are the one who has the script and the output.. so there is nothing anyone here can do other than 1) ignore your question and possibly also 2) think you're full of it, or 3) amuse you by saying there is some magical error in cron that allows scripts to execute asynchronusly somehow. |
| 10:24.49 | themill | jelly: trouble-maker! |
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| 10:25.14 | themill | jelly: you could start a sysudev project to implement that in a nice easy userspace way. |
| 10:25.24 | jelly | %$@# userspace |
| 10:25.31 | jelly | -ravenbird- Error: Factoid "$@# userspace" not found. |
| 10:25.40 | nvz | hah |
| 10:26.05 | jelly | themill: also, procudev and othervirtfsudev |
| 10:26.14 | themill | \o/ |
| 10:26.15 | TheAvatar | nvz, well, the final line in the script sends an email. I receive that email approx 15 minutes before the processes the script runs exits. And since it emails before it generated the data - the email it sends is somewhat empty |
| 10:27.19 | nvz | TheAvatar: that still doesn't help anyone narrow it down. there is no telling whats going on without seeing the output in both cases and the script itself |
| 10:27.40 | nvz | TheAvatar: contrary to the jokes made here about 6 hours ago, we are not mind readers |
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| 10:30.29 | portablejim | I cannot ping my debian box by hostname. I can ping it by IP address, and it can ping my Ubuntu box by name (+ Ubuntu boxes ping each other by hostname ok.). What is the problem? I can't seem to find anything wrong with my hosts file. |
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| 10:31.50 | portablejim | Error: ping: unknown host debian-machine |
| 10:32.31 | petemc | portablejim: what line do you have in /etc/hosts on the machine you're trying to ping from? |
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| 10:34.07 | portablejim | Standard lines: |
| 10:34.07 | portablejim | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 10:34.07 | portablejim | 127.0.1.1quad-core |
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| 10:34.50 | nvz | portablejim: if you dont have a line that says debian-machine with its IP next to it, then thats why it doesn't work |
| 10:36.05 | zak_ | is it possible t o scan an mp3 for viruses on linux? |
| 10:36.20 | nvz | haha |
| 10:36.21 | portablejim | What if the IP address is dynamic (DHCP)? |
| 10:36.25 | nvz | sure is.. |
| 10:36.49 | nvz | I don't know in what universe its possible for anything to be infected by a virus in an mp3 though |
| 10:37.08 | nvz | other than WMP's codec lookup feature which is commonly exploited |
| 10:37.28 | nvz | and thats usually done with a video container, not an mp3 |
| 10:37.30 | simonrvn | a virus named *like* a mp3 OTOH |
| 10:37.51 | portablejim | zak_, once off http://www.virustotal.com/ . Multiple times, install clam antivirus. |
| 10:37.51 | nvz | well if it were a virus named as an mp3, file would detect that.. duh |
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| 10:38.20 | simonrvn | of course |
| 10:40.03 | portablejim | VirusTotal also scans the file by ~40 different antivirus programs. |
| 10:40.37 | zak_ | portablejim: thanks mate :) |
| 10:41.24 | nvz | so you can be extra sure a file that can't transmit or execute a virus code doesn't have any |
| 10:41.27 | nvz | haha |
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| 10:42.05 | chaochao | mp3 viruses!! |
| 10:42.06 | chaochao | ph33r |
| 10:42.21 | nvz | I'm shaking in my f'n shoes.. |
| 10:42.32 | chaochao | :p |
| 10:42.43 | nvz | wanders off to listen to mp3s without scanning them for viruses because he's not a zoof. |
| 10:42.45 | chaochao | well, virus as in the form of an exploit |
| 10:42.45 | chaochao | sure |
| 10:42.54 | chaochao | if you call it a virus |
| 10:43.27 | nvz | if you run software that can be exploited by mpeg1 layer-III files, you're the f'n exploit |
| 10:43.36 | chaochao | :p |
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| 10:44.23 | rvsjoen | an application which does not properly read and parse id3 tags would be a prime candidate |
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| 10:44.49 | UserReg_CL | hi !!! helpme |
| 10:44.58 | nvz | apps that don't read them at all are my fav type.. heh |
| 10:45.15 | UserReg_CL | need unistall postgresql |
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| 10:45.28 | rvsjoen | and ? |
| 10:45.53 | nvz | call me old fashioned, but I still organize my music files by their filenames. Most programs that use dbs and metadata are just a pain in my butt |
| 10:45.59 | macrobat | UserReg_CL: why wont it uninstall? is there an error message? |
| 10:46.10 | simonrvn | nvz: usually are |
| 10:46.28 | rvsjoen | I deleted all my music in favor of spotify actually ^_^ |
| 10:46.47 | nvz | simonrvn: look at itunes *shudders* renames all your files to 4 letter filenames, the damn program takes up like 300MB of disk space and eats up all the system resources.. ugh. |
| 10:46.50 | simonrvn | er |
| 10:47.00 | simonrvn | m |
| 10:47.05 | simonrvn | nvz: ugh |
| 10:47.06 | nvz | rhythmbox makes me wanna barf too. |
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| 10:47.28 | dutchfish | nvz: have solved the funny USB issue, it was after all a kernel bug, workaround is to disable virtual usb ports within lilo (bios poking) |
| 10:47.30 | simonrvn | i gotta sleep. later |
| 10:47.46 | dutchfish | s/lilo/ilo |
| 10:48.07 | nvz | dutchfish: ah, you did/didn't try the module param? |
| 10:48.17 | macrobat | what is up with UserReg_CL? had the same question before |
| 10:48.22 | nvz | took me a minute to think of wth you were even talking about |
| 10:48.46 | dutchfish | nvz: i tried, but that did not give me a satisfying solution (it eats up cycles still) |
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| 10:49.10 | nvz | dutchfish: hmm.. but did it supress the errors? |
| 10:49.32 | dutchfish | nvz: so i had either the option of disable it virtual usb ports, or learn the kernel to properly recognize it |
| 10:50.03 | dutchfish | nvz: it does surpress the error reporting, but not the process |
| 10:50.13 | nvz | ah. noted |
| 10:50.26 | dutchfish | nvz: i dont like plaster over solutions |
| 10:51.11 | dutchfish | nvz: disabling the virtual usb ports in ILO is just a one byte poke in the bios |
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| 10:51.31 | dutchfish | nvz: after that everything wetn smooth as silk |
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| 11:02.06 | UserReg_CL | hi, helpme please |
| 11:02.16 | enveezee | ask a question then |
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| 11:09.18 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue where there is a list of short-hand package states for dpkg ? |
| 11:10.21 | themill | rvsjoen: first 3 lines of the output of dpkg -l |
| 11:10.38 | rvsjoen | nice, how could I miss that |
| 11:10.40 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 11:10.40 | enveezee | dpkg -l | head -n 3 |
| 11:10.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching | head -n 3 |
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| 11:12.25 | sutem | hi |
| 11:13.01 | sutem | i have a webserver with a subdomain. i now have 2 seperate folders, subdomains/psy/httpdocs and subdomains/psy/cgi-bin |
| 11:13.13 | sutem | how can i access cgi-bin from httpdocs via the web? |
| 11:13.46 | zak_ | waht command shall i use to extract audio from a .pps file ? |
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| 11:17.31 | Dwarik | is there a way to trick apt-get into ignoring a specific dependency? it won't install anything anymore because the versions of emacs23-bin-common and emacs23-common don't match on my system |
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| 11:17.38 | macrobat | !tell UserReg_CL -about ask |
| 11:18.59 | zak_ | waht command shall i use to extract audio from a .pps file ? |
| 11:19.03 | enveezee | Dwarik: you can -d for download only, then dpkg -i --force-depends-version |
| 11:19.33 | enveezee | Dwarik: if it fails on other depends at that point, and apt-get -f install will resolve them |
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| 11:21.15 | Dwarik | enveezee, can't even do apt-get -d install flex. it still complains it wants me to do apt-get -f install. and i can't actually fix the dependency since i'm using hurd and the right packages arn't available in the sid tree |
| 11:21.40 | Dwarik | so i want to trick apt-get into thinking it is alright (and it works just fine as far as i can tell) |
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| 11:22.59 | jelly | Dwarik: you can download the package with wget and install with dpkg -i, if they exist. Or you can munge dpkg's database (/var/lib/dpkg/status) to make the versions match. Be careful. |
| 11:23.16 | ambuli | hi all, how can i upload a new package into existing repository ? |
| 11:23.36 | enveezee | ambuli: official repo? |
| 11:23.53 | ambuli | enveezee, no, testing repo. :) |
| 11:24.01 | enveezee | ambuli: testing is official |
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| 11:24.23 | rhalff | hi any of you use rdiff-backup ? I wonder how to get a diff overview of all changes |
| 11:24.32 | enveezee | ambuli: it has to pass policy and you need someone to sponsor it.. and you cannot upload to testing regardless. it has to go into sid |
| 11:24.48 | enveezee | ambuli: if it sits in sid for like 10 days with no rc bugs it can be moved to testing |
| 11:25.37 | ambuli | enveezee, well, i am confused here i think. I have created my own repository in my machine, and how can i add one more .deb file into it ? |
| 11:25.57 | enveezee | cp? idk |
| 11:26.47 | zak_ | waht command shall i use to extract audio from a .pps file ? |
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| 11:27.27 | enveezee | zak_: what the hell is a .pps file? this isn't windows, we don't go by file names.. file foo.pps. tell us what it says |
| 11:27.46 | enveezee | zak_: if it has audio in it, mplayer could probably find and dump it |
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| 11:29.52 | enveezee | as I recall you gotta do something like dpkg -I and put that info into your packages file |
| 11:29.59 | enveezee | don't recall the process |
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| 11:41.13 | jamieleshaw | Anyone home? |
| 11:41.41 | petemc | the live cd doesnt have an installer |
| 11:41.53 | jamieleshaw | can i install it using aptitude? |
| 11:41.54 | petemc | your only option would be debootstrap |
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| 11:42.34 | petemc | jamieleshaw: aptitude is for installing debian packages, its not a debian installer |
| 11:42.54 | jamieleshaw | I know I mean install the installer |
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| 11:43.53 | jamieleshaw | petemc, Would that work? |
| 11:43.53 | petemc | oh, no |
| 11:44.08 | petemc | debootstrap would work, but it aint pretty |
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| 11:44.16 | jamieleshaw | hmm, why not? |
| 11:44.35 | Stereo | jamieleshaw: you probably want a debian installation cd |
| 11:44.48 | jamieleshaw | yes, i do but my internet is very very slow |
| 11:45.28 | jamieleshaw | Where do I download a debian lxde cd image that i can use to install then? |
| 11:45.32 | UserReg_CL | hi, I am install deb 5.03 and need remove programs (by example postgresql) |
| 11:46.16 | Stereo | jamieleshaw: google for the netinst image |
| 11:46.20 | Stereo | it's about 120 megs |
| 11:46.37 | jamieleshaw | ok, how much will it need to download? |
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| 11:48.45 | petemc | jamieleshaw: depends what packages you want, the good thing is you can choose to download only what you need, rather than the whole cd with packages you likely wont need |
| 11:49.02 | petemc | is it me, or is mail.app really, really shit? |
| 11:49.03 | jamieleshaw | ahh good thanks |
| 11:49.07 | petemc | ah, wrong chan |
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| 11:51.29 | jamieleshaw | thanks guys, cya |
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| 12:17.54 | Coudy | hi, I need to log tty device and write log to file, I've found ttylog, but it cant write output to file with ttylog -d /dev/ttyS0 > /tmp/logfile.log |
| 12:17.54 | Coudy | which other command I can use ? |
| 12:18.24 | silidan | when i go to places in debian lenny and then connect to server what package do i need so that it allows me to connect to a windows share? |
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| 12:19.16 | silidan | using gnome |
| 12:19.28 | Phil | silidan, cifs |
| 12:19.46 | Phil | which I think comes as part of smbfs |
| 12:20.04 | Phil | the smbfs package, that is |
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| 12:20.16 | rvsjoen | smbclient |
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| 12:23.15 | silidan | thanks Phil |
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| 12:25.26 | kwk | themill: Hello, yesterday I reported a bug via the command line, but I didn't get a response email as I was told by the reportbug tool. How can I find out if the bug has been submitted to debian? |
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| 12:40.47 | mycomp | how to use function pointer? |
| 12:40.53 | mycomp | in c.. |
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| 12:41.18 | Phil | mycomp, try ##c |
| 12:41.32 | mycomp | ok thanks :) |
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| 12:42.35 | rvsjoen | what do you mean how to use it |
| 12:42.54 | rvsjoen | if you already have it, call it like any other function |
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| 12:48.40 | wols_ | DogBoy, at0m and otehr truespace1 answerers: Debian has ALL the source code for all packages and ships it. e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/source/iso-dvd/ is the FULL sourcecode to ALL of debian |
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| 12:49.03 | at0m | wols_: yea that's what i replied to him |
| 12:49.14 | wols_ | and there is a very good reason for someone to have all source: if you distribute debian in any way you MUST have the sourcecode available for the people you distribute to |
| 12:49.19 | jelly | wols_: truespace1 is long gone, however |
| 12:49.23 | at0m | wols_: but then he changed subject once more |
| 12:49.24 | wols_ | jelly: I know |
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| 12:49.53 | wols_ | I remember when I still bought Debian on CD, I got source CDs too |
| 12:50.06 | at0m | wols_: ok, but he didnt seem the type setting up mass distributions of custom debian versions eh |
| 12:50.18 | at0m | still, thanks |
| 12:50.24 | wols_ | doesn't matter. he gets debian, he has the right to get source :) |
| 12:50.35 | wols_ | gets debian binaries that is |
| 12:51.01 | wols_ | RichiH: your nework is disintegrating! do something |
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| 13:01.48 | themill | kwk: yeah, I looked for it last night and couldn't find it. Did reportbug save the details in /tmp/ for you to have another go? (check http://bugs.debian.org/kdeprint to see if it's there). You can just use your normal email client to send the bug report as described by the web pages at http://bugs.debian.org/. |
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| 13:06.58 | unkmar | I am here for the same reason most people enter. Something isn't working right. (grumble, grumble) |
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| 13:07.28 | unkmar | Lid, standby, won't reactivate from standby when lid reopened. |
| 13:07.45 | unkmar | Dell Inspiron 8200 |
| 13:08.06 | nvz | unkmar: I come here because unlike a therapist, I don't have to pay these people to listen to me talk. :-P |
| 13:08.15 | unkmar | lol |
| 13:08.24 | nvz | unkmar: my machine I gotta press something on the keyboard to wake it up. |
| 13:08.41 | unkmar | yeah, and that doesn't work either. :( |
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| 13:08.59 | unkmar | neither does the great mouse wiggly dance. :( |
| 13:09.04 | nvz | unkmar: power button? |
| 13:09.23 | unkmar | tried that too. Finally just crashed it down. |
| 13:09.23 | nvz | unkmar: its doing just a standby or an actual suspend? |
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| 13:10.24 | unkmar | I don't know. It simply doesn't revive the keyboard and screen. Last time I had the issue was on Ubuntu instead of debian. The ssh was available when I opened the lid but nothing of the keyboard or screen worked. |
| 13:10.58 | unkmar | I was able to kick it into action by remote then. This time I wasn't near another system on the network to attempt it. |
| 13:11.02 | nvz | unkmar: well on my netbook a suspend means the green power light is blinking yellow.. and fan, hdd.etc are off.. |
| 13:11.11 | nvz | unkmar: are you using gnome? |
| 13:11.20 | Mohammad[B] | my server have 2 IPs and i want when i use of ssh and SOCKS Host show the secondary IP Address, how i can ? |
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| 13:12.07 | unkmar | nvz: no, xfce4, but I am using gdm and several gnome items.. But only cause I feel I was tricked into it and haven't reinstalled. |
| 13:12.16 | nvz | Mohammad[B]: you want ssh to only work from the 2nd IP and not the first? |
| 13:12.27 | Mohammad[B] | nvz, yes |
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| 13:12.38 | unkmar | Getting tired of treating linux desktop like windows. When it don't work. Reboot. Get fed up, reinstall. |
| 13:12.54 | nvz | I'm not sure how to do that, but I thought I'd clarify since what you said made no sense. heh |
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| 13:12.59 | wols_ | !tell unkmar about remove gnome |
| 13:13.05 | nvz | looks into it |
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| 13:14.08 | nvz | Mohammad[B]: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-bind-ssh-to-selected-ip-address.html |
| 13:14.44 | nvz | Mohammad[B]: using the "ListenAddress" keyword in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:15.01 | petemc_ | how will that affect what ip the ssh client uses? |
| 13:15.21 | Mohammad[B] | nvz, oh thanks |
| 13:15.22 | nvz | petemc: it wont? |
| 13:15.38 | nvz | petemc: he didn't say client. I assumed server, since he said it was a "server" |
| 13:15.54 | petemc | Mohammad[B]: when i set up multiple ips on a box, i find it uses the last one brought up as the outgoing address, tho thats really anecdotal |
| 13:16.21 | rvsjoen | that would depend on how the default route is determined, no ? |
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| 13:17.03 | nvz | Mohammad[B]: are you looking to change the IP an ssh SERVER listens on, or the IP the ssh CLIENT is connecting from? |
| 13:17.05 | petemc | rvsjoen: i dont have more than one route |
| 13:17.13 | wols_ | petemc: wouldn't it depends on which interface you connect to the ssh? |
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| 13:18.04 | rvsjoen | petemc: my point is that it is the route who determines what source address to use, |
| 13:18.24 | petemc | im sure it can |
| 13:18.42 | jaalto | What can be done if "modprbe --verbose --remove MODULE" hangs? Can the module be forcefully removed? |
| 13:18.42 | rvsjoen | anyway, I think I missed the original question |
| 13:19.41 | nvz | jaalto: that behavior depends on the way the kernel was compiled |
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| 13:20.06 | jaalto | nvz: This is stock 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 13:20.13 | rvsjoen | jaalto: if it could I wouldn't expect to have a stable system afterwards, unless you know exactly what the module does |
| 13:20.40 | nvz | jaalto: that makes no difference to me, I'd have to see the .config. try rmmod -f module |
| 13:20.41 | jaalto | nvz: I know what the modules does (its idle). |
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| 13:21.07 | nvz | jaalto: when you configure the kernel there are seperate options for module loading, unloading, and forced unloading |
| 13:21.33 | nvz | jaalto: if rmmod -f doesnt do it, then you probably will have to reboot or kexec to get it out of memory |
| 13:21.50 | jaalto | nvz: This kernel is not manually compiled. standard *.deb from Debian. |
| 13:22.10 | nvz | jaalto: I understand that. I am just telling you how it works, and that I have no idea what options that kernel was configured with |
| 13:22.11 | rvsjoen | grep FORCE_UNLOAD /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 13:22.37 | jaalto | nvz: Ok, the "rmmod -f module"indicates it is busy, so I need to free the resources first. Thanks. |
| 13:22.40 | nvz | manually compiled or not, it was compiled with options, that I am not aware of |
| 13:23.09 | Mohammad[B] | nvz, i want when i connect to my server for using of socks host, show the secondary IP in every where ! |
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| 13:24.03 | nvz | knows nothing about socks other than he likes his brand new cause otherwise they feel funky on his feet |
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| 13:25.33 | wols_ | Mohammad[B]: your question and clarification don't add up |
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| 13:26.03 | nvz | yeah I one am not good with networking stuff, and two don't understand a word he says. Just gonna shut up. |
| 13:26.07 | wols_ | if nvz answered you, there is no need for you to mention SOCKS in your original question. maybe you should start again and tell us exactly what you want/need |
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| 13:26.45 | nvz | wanders off with headphones in his ears |
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| 13:28.36 | unkmar | nvz: NO!!! |
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| 13:29.11 | nvz | unkmar: hey, headphones work too.. its called audio therapy |
| 13:29.36 | unkmar | nvz: while I am working on removing gnome, How do I go about fixing my lid problem. Simpliest solution will work fine. |
| 13:30.05 | unkmar | nvz: I see that I lose pidgin with my gnome. eh, oh well. There are other options. |
| 13:30.41 | nvz | unkmar: I really do not know. I asked if you used gnome cause the gnome preferences is the only interface to those acpi functions I am familiar with |
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| 13:31.07 | unkmar | I actually like evince. Not sure what I will replace that with. Not that I look at PDF's all that often. |
| 13:31.11 | unkmar | nvz: oh. eh. |
| 13:31.30 | unkmar | Then jam on. |
| 13:32.05 | nvz | I was trying to gather if your settings were actually doing a standby or a suspend |
| 13:32.05 | silidan | hey i still got a problem: when using places -> connect to server it only gives me one choise userdefined place how can i fix that? |
| 13:32.11 | nvz | thats the only way I knew to check it |
| 13:32.30 | nvz | a standby is pretty much only turning the monitor off via dpms |
| 13:32.31 | wols_ | unkmar: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html |
| 13:32.43 | nvz | and should wake on any use of the machine.. mouse or otherwise |
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| 13:41.03 | ax-ax | which is the best java plugin for iceweasel? |
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| 13:41.26 | ax-ax | and is there a flash plugin that actually works all the time? :S |
| 13:41.47 | wols_ | !tell ax-ax about java plugin |
| 13:42.05 | wols_ | !tell ax-ax about flash |
| 13:42.30 | ax-ax | thanks |
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| 13:44.27 | cdog69 | how do I find out which groups a user belongs to? |
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| 13:44.43 | rvsjoen | type groups |
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| 13:45.06 | rvsjoen | or 'groups <username>' |
| 13:45.16 | cdog69 | ty |
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| 13:46.06 | indigo6 | Good morning, all... |
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| 13:49.07 | indigo6 | I have crashed me debian system, and could use a little help -- after upgrading to the 2.6.32 kernel, I recompiled the nvidia driver, but I get an error since the kernel used gcc 4.3 and the driver was compiled with gcc 4.4 -- how can I replace this with whatever is in the repository for nvidia? |
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| 13:50.03 | abrotman | indigo6: can you still boot without X ? |
| 13:50.11 | indigo6 | yes |
| 13:50.28 | abrotman | so, remove the driver |
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| 13:50.58 | indigo6 | it seems to be many files, afraid to mess things up worse |
| 13:51.19 | abrotman | how did you install it? |
| 13:51.24 | indigo6 | I used a .run file from nvidia to compile it, a bit lost without apt |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | oh, that wasn't a good idea |
| 13:52.11 | abrotman | does it have an 'unbreak my computer' option? |
| 13:52.19 | abrotman | or at least an uninstall? |
| 13:52.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | it does have an uninstall option |
| 13:52.32 | indigo6 | it was the best solution some time ago... no, unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an unistall |
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| 13:52.40 | salahuddin | indigo6: if you have not fixed x.org file. I think you can blacklist module temporarily. |
| 13:52.41 | indigo6 | it does? |
| 13:52.42 | abrotman | it hasn't been the best solution since like .. 2001 |
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| 13:53.12 | indigo6 | the module is already being blacklisted |
| 13:53.20 | wols_ | abrotman: there is no module to unload or blacklist |
| 13:53.21 | salahuddin | indigo6: check there might some tool provide by nvidia. search for nvidia related tools. you will find uninstall option |
| 13:53.26 | abrotman | wols_: i didn't say that |
| 13:53.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | indigo6: well the last time I used the nvidia installer tools it did have an uninstall option, and it does create a backup of your xorg.conf |
| 13:53.52 | salahuddin | nvidia-xyz --unstall sometime like this |
| 13:53.53 | indigo6 | not technically, but for all practical purposes ...yes, ok, I' |
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| 13:54.01 | indigo6 | ll look for an uninstall option |
| 13:54.07 | wols_ | true. salahuddin did |
| 13:54.18 | unkmar | xfce4 just got a little wierd. The desktop wallpaper died. Not a biggie. I got around that easily already. |
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| 13:54.39 | unkmar | lots of my icons changed when removing gnome. That was kind of expected. |
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| 13:55.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | well, how should one install the nvidia kernelmodules? I'm new to debian and I'm kinda lost |
| 13:55.04 | abrotman | did you remove nautilus? |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | KaffeeJunky123: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:55.47 | salahuddin | indigo6: always try to use nvidia driver from debian repository. |
| 13:56.00 | unkmar | abrotman: probably. Not that I care for nautilus. I'm more concerned with aptitude wanting to remove sudo. |
| 13:56.00 | wols_ | abrotman: btw, there is one reason to use the nvidia drivers. unless you want to create your own backport from the nvidia.com tarball and sid sources... |
| 13:56.01 | indigo6 | I'm learning that now :) |
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| 13:56.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | abrotman: thank you very much, I've already searched the wiki and couldn't find it :) |
| 13:57.22 | abrotman | wols_: i mean for stable (and usually testing) users |
| 13:57.40 | abrotman | wols_: if someone is running unstable, they should know how to get rid of that filth!! |
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| 13:57.58 | jelly | abrotman: what, nouveau? |
| 13:58.06 | wols_ | abrotman: no. just use a nvidia chip which came out after stable got frozen |
| 13:58.14 | abrotman | wols_: i would never! |
| 13:58.26 | unkmar | well, I added a pass to root so sudo is gone now. :/ weird that sudo is tied to that list of stuff to be removed. |
| 13:58.26 | wols_ | then you need testing or unstable backport. and if you use a totally brand new card, possibly not even sid has drivers |
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| 13:58.31 | wols_ | happened before |
| 13:58.32 | abrotman | jelly: it's coming with squeeze IIRC |
| 13:58.49 | salahuddin | indigo6: search for nvidia command line tool, they genrally installed with kernel modules. just uninstall |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | unkmar: did you set a root password ? |
| 13:59.25 | unkmar | abrotman: yes. |
| 13:59.26 | indigo6 | excellent -- it's called nvidia-uninstall |
| 13:59.34 | wols_ | can one install debian without a root password? it always asks me |
| 14:00.31 | unkmar | and I just explicitly reinstalled sudo. |
| 14:00.38 | indigo6 | is there a meta package to install the driver with apt then? |
| 14:01.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | indigo6: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:01.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | indigo6: I'm currently reading it and I can't tell you how it functions yet :) |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | wols_: apparently you can if you decide to disable the root account or something |
| 14:02.10 | indigo6 | ok, thank you... apt-cache search shows it has many parts, like the vserver modules |
| 14:02.31 | unkmar | I have now removed the password access from root. |
| 14:02.33 | wols_ | indigo6: maybe you should read first before trying to install |
| 14:02.45 | wols_ | but then, you run squeeze |
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| 14:03.24 | indigo6 | I difinitely learn as I go... wish I could remember how I fixed this last time... yep, I'm always in over my head |
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| 14:04.07 | km0ti0n | hi all, running lenny and want to install unrar. It's a nonfree package but I can't find a deb source for sources.list where shoudl I look? |
| 14:04.09 | dukebody | hello, was there a recent change in the kde network manager in squeeze? |
| 14:04.33 | dukebody | my previous knetworkmanager wasn't working, and some apt-work installed a new one with a different looking |
| 14:05.27 | wols_ | dukebody: http://packages.qa.debian.org |
| 14:05.48 | abrotman | dukebody: known bug |
| 14:06.02 | dukebody | removed from testing hum |
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| 14:07.50 | dukebody | should I use the plasma-widget-networkmanagement? |
| 14:08.18 | km0ti0n | aha! added non-free to the current sources |
| 14:08.27 | km0ti0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.30 | km0ti0n | opps |
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| 14:09.36 | salahuddin | I could not find the xen kernel in squeeze ? any idea? |
| 14:10.24 | the-dude | salahuddin: build it your self :) |
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| 14:10.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | How do I set the behaviour of the places icons? |
| 14:11.11 | indigo6 | thank you all for your help... that wiki page explains it all -- have a great day... |
| 14:11.18 | salahuddin | the-dude: hmm ok. |
| 14:11.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | indigo6: bye bye |
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| 14:15.03 | the-dude | salahuddin: its not (yet) available |
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| 14:21.48 | indigo6 | so far, so good -- but then: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-190.53 but it is not installable |
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| 14:22.46 | abrotman | you're using unstable ? |
| 14:23.03 | indigo6 | I think that was the version I had running before I replaced it with the installer -- yes, unstable and testing |
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| 14:23.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | does the pidgin from lenny-backports support messages via libnotify? and where can I look up things like this? |
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| 14:24.34 | paissad | hi all, i had an issue when i built 2.6.33 with make-kpkg, .... & now i cannot boot my server (problem with grub) ... i'm using a live cd in order to reinstall grub, .. but the matter is that i don't see my lvm devices|partitions in /dev .. so i cannot mount my /var which is lvm . |
| 14:24.40 | magyar | i need to bypass a usb mount in fstab, so basically if the drive is not there keep on booting. How can i set that? |
| 14:25.02 | frostschutz | magyar: noauto? ;) |
| 14:25.07 | paissad | thus, i cannot use apttiude reinstall grub ... because there is no contents in /var |
| 14:25.34 | paissad | i forgot to mention that i chrooted from the live cd to my system |
| 14:25.42 | paissad | chroot /mnt/debian |
| 14:25.49 | magyar | frostschutz: , right now i have "/dev/sdc1 /media/usb0 ext2 defaults 0 2" |
| 14:26.01 | paissad | in /mnt/debian/var & in /mnt/debian/boot, there are nothing of contents |
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| 14:26.29 | paissad | from the live CD, pvscan, vgscan, lvscan return me nothing |
| 14:26.38 | paissad | i'm so confused |
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| 14:31.14 | mdeferran | greetings, i m making my own deb. But i d like to use all magic from debconf. I cant find any good documentation :/ |
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| 14:35.26 | titan8990 | !listkey maint guide |
| 14:36.04 | titan8990 | !tell mdeferran about new-maint-guide |
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| 14:39.19 | ax-ax | yay now my java works! (with help from this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/squeeze-in-case-you-have-no-network-connection-with-java-apps-...-778366/ ) |
| 14:39.21 | ax-ax | ok |
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| 14:44.14 | gh0st_ | can i use wusb600n linksys by cisco with chipset ralink for debian?! |
| 14:44.19 | gh0st_ | or D-Link DWA-140 again ralink chipset? |
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| 14:44.54 | simonrvn | it depends on the kernel, not the distro |
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| 14:45.40 | gh0st_ | simonrvn are u writing to me? |
| 14:46.00 | simonrvn | see anyone else talking? :) |
| 14:46.10 | gh0st_ | no |
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| 14:46.49 | gh0st_ | simonrvn: u mean kernel modules in kernel for ralink like rt2x00usb ? |
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| 14:47.08 | simonrvn | whatever it is you need to make it work |
| 14:47.15 | simonrvn | doesn't know |
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| 14:49.05 | nervousTwitch | how would i pass apm with -i argument |
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| 14:49.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | debian lenny is awesome :) |
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| 14:50.26 | dbbolton | is it a bad idea to put two mirrors of the same archive in sources.list ? |
| 14:50.47 | abrotman | gh0st_: which version of debian are you trying to use it with ? |
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| 14:51.14 | gh0st_ | abrotman: lenny 5.0.4 |
| 14:51.17 | jimcooncat | I |
| 14:51.25 | abrotman | gh0st_: you'd have to use a backported kernel |
| 14:51.36 | gh0st_ | abrotman: i have 2.6.33 |
| 14:51.38 | gh0st_ | ... |
| 14:51.40 | gh0st_ | already :) |
| 14:51.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | gh0st_: self built? |
| 14:51.57 | gh0st_ | yes |
| 14:52.00 | abrotman | gh0st_: seems like either hsould work if you have the modules built correctly |
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| 14:52.39 | jimcooncat | I know I'm doing this wrong. Lets say I want to check out the package apt-move. So I install it, run updatedb, then 'locate apt-move'. Seems there's a simpler way to find out where everything went? |
| 14:53.02 | simonrvn | nervousTwitch: check to see if a) /etc/default/apm (or apmd) exists b) you can put options there |
| 14:53.05 | gh0st_ | abrotman: i think something wrong with changelogs/kernel 2.6.33 i read it on changelog "Added: support for wusb600n" in 2.6.33 i compiled 2.6.33 with ralink modules like rt2x00usb all it is ok, i modprobe it for 2870 and nothing... ??!! |
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| 14:53.20 | nervousTwitch | thanky you |
| 14:53.24 | simonrvn | jimcooncat: dpkg -L packagename |
| 14:53.36 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | gh0st_: it may need firmware |
| 14:53.58 | jimcooncat | thanks simonrvn, I guess I'll need to find a cheatsheet to these things! |
| 14:54.05 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
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| 14:55.40 | gh0st_ | abrotman: i have from backports ralink-firmware packet |
| 14:55.42 | simonrvn | gh0st_: might want to check dmesg or your syslog |
| 14:55.55 | abrotman | !tell gh0st_ about wusb600n |
| 14:55.59 | gh0st_ | simonrvn: it says: RT2870 invalid chipset |
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| 14:57.10 | gh0st_ | !tell gh0st_ ndiswrapper |
| 14:57.16 | wols_ | gh0st_: what does lsusb say? |
| 14:57.26 | gh0st_ | wols_: it is there |
| 14:57.36 | wols_ | that'S not what I asked |
| 14:57.44 | gh0st_ | w8 a sec |
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| 15:01.05 | gh0st_ | re |
| 15:01.08 | gh0st_ | wols_: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 1737:0079 Linksys WUSB600N Wireless-N USB Network Adapter with Dual-Band ver. 2 |
| 15:01.11 | plus_M | I think I have fallen in love with Debian |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | and left who behind? |
| 15:02.17 | plus_M | Archlinux |
| 15:02.43 | plus_M | And FreeBSD |
| 15:02.43 | plus_M | Still gonna use FBSD for servers though |
| 15:02.43 | plus_M | But Debian is a wonderful desktop distro |
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| 15:02.51 | abrotman | soon it will be on your servers too! :) |
| 15:02.53 | plus_M | Nah |
| 15:02.57 | plus_M | I prefer BSD for that |
| 15:03.06 | plus_M | apt kind of hurts to use |
| 15:03.18 | plus_M | not as bad as yum but not as nice as pkg_add |
| 15:03.24 | plus_M | or pacman |
| 15:03.25 | gh0st_ | wols_: that shows lsusb |
| 15:03.37 | gh0st_ | -i :P |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | plus_M: that's subjective i suppose .. i've been down both roads ... |
| 15:03.46 | plus_M | Yeah |
| 15:03.46 | simonrvn | i found pkg_add similar enough to apt(itude) |
| 15:03.49 | plus_M | I know it's subjective |
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| 15:16.02 | Strogg | I grabbed rxvt-unicode via apt-get source, and am trying to build it via dpkg-buildpackage, but it's failing with a compile error. is it possible there is a dep missing that dpkg-checkbuilddeps didn't know about? |
| 15:16.28 | zumbi | Strogg: could be |
| 15:16.44 | zumbi | Strogg: paste.debian.net -- could you paste the error? |
| 15:16.54 | Strogg | sure thing.. one sec. |
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| 15:17.33 | SerajewelKS | OT, but i'm looking to serve a flash object from apache to stream a vorbis icecast station. is anyone aware of a high-quality and free software vorbis player in flash? all i can find on google is a free software AS3 vorbis library. |
| 15:17.46 | SerajewelKS | it needs to support chained ogg in a sane way too |
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| 15:18.16 | efka | Strogg: did you do apt-get build-dep rxvt-unicode ? |
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| 15:18.46 | Strogg | efka: hrmm I couldn't remember that command, so I isntalled them via apt-get install. |
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| 15:18.54 | Strogg | mentally bookmarks that |
| 15:19.02 | Strogg | zumbi: http://paste.debian.net/62605/ |
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| 15:19.54 | zobel | that doesn't look like a missing build-dep |
| 15:22.10 | zumbi | zobel: i hit the same error on amd64 when rebuilding |
| 15:22.22 | zumbi | Strogg: reportbug is your friend |
| 15:23.15 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: http://paste.debian.net/62605/ |
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| 15:23.23 | wols_ | damn. wrong paste |
| 15:23.30 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: http://barelyfocused.net/blog/2008/10/03/flash-vorbis-player/ |
| 15:23.52 | zumbi | Strogg: is it g++ version 4.4.x? |
| 15:24.09 | titan8990 | judd: versions g++ |
| 15:24.11 | judd | g++ -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; sid: 4:4.4.2-3; squeeze: 4:4.4.2-3 |
| 15:24.28 | tdn | I use Debian Lenny. I would like to install md5deep/hashdeep, but this package is not in Lenny. How would you recommend I get it? Is there an official backports repository for Lenny, where I could maybe find this package? |
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| 15:24.47 | zumbi | judd: which g++ version uses Strogg :-) |
| 15:25.20 | SerajewelKS | wols_: yeah read that one... i don't see any link to an actual player though, just the vorbis library :/ |
| 15:25.21 | wols_ | ,version md5deep |
| 15:25.23 | judd | (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 15:25.26 | wols_ | ,versions md5deep |
| 15:25.28 | judd | md5deep -- sid: 3.4-3; squeeze: 3.4-3 |
| 15:25.28 | \amethyst | tdn: there is, but md5deep is not in it |
| 15:25.32 | Strogg | hrmmmm |
| 15:25.41 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: http://people.xiph.org/~arek/pg/hx/test.html |
| 15:25.42 | titan8990 | tdn: there is an semi-official backports repository, doesn't look like its there |
| 15:25.48 | titan8990 | !tell tdn about ssb |
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| 15:25.54 | Strogg | does a dist-upgrade |
| 15:25.55 | Warp4 | hi all |
| 15:25.56 | SerajewelKS | wols_: of course. not exactly a decent UI though :) |
| 15:25.57 | wols_ | tdn: you need to backport it yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:26.07 | wols_ | right, it's not pretty :) |
| 15:26.10 | SerajewelKS | wols_: seems to be a sample player meant to show off the library |
| 15:26.12 | titan8990 | tdn: if its not real depends-intensive you can use the ssb method dpkg pmed you about |
| 15:26.16 | Warp4 | just wanting to confirm -- is lenny/sid a development version? |
| 15:26.20 | Warp4 | or is it stable? |
| 15:26.25 | SerajewelKS | wols_: i'm looking for something with a little more... uhm, "polish" might not be the right term |
| 15:26.45 | SerajewelKS | wols_: the decoder core seems solid, but the UI is a bit lacking :) |
| 15:26.46 | titan8990 | Warp4: /msg dpkg lenny; /msg dpkg sid |
| 15:26.48 | wols_ | Warp4: lenny is currently stable, squeeze currently testing, and sid, as always, is unstable |
| 15:26.51 | zumbi | Strogg: it is a bug on that package, you should report the bug... you could also try to fix it |
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| 15:27.20 | Warp4 | wols_ ok. because when i do a 'cat /etc/debian_version' on our firewall it shows lenny/sid |
| 15:27.22 | tdn | titan8990, ok. |
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| 15:28.04 | SerajewelKS | wols_: it's amazing how hard it is to search for a flash media player... google takes "flash player" and throws "media" on |
| 15:28.42 | steven43126 | How can i force aptitude to think a package has been configured correctly as i keep ketting E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
| 15:28.42 | Warp4 | wols_ we are running vyatta and are trying to install the build-essential package but getting errors |
| 15:28.54 | tdn | wols_, titan8990: if I build the package myself, can I then provide it for backports.org, so that other people does not need to build it too? |
| 15:29.06 | steven43126 | however the package was manually fixed and i don't want dpkg to touch it now :) |
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| 15:30.56 | titan8990 | tdn: I am not sure exactly how the package submission proccess works for backports, but I would assume so, depending on the package's dependencies |
| 15:31.19 | tdn | titan8990, ok. |
| 15:32.25 | nvz | tdn: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 15:32.33 | Strogg | fires up reportbug |
| 15:32.35 | tdn | nvz, thanks. |
| 15:32.40 | steven43126 | What if i edit /var/lib/dpkg/status manually is the place dpkg get's it package status info from ? |
| 15:32.41 | nvz | tdn: no problem. |
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| 15:33.45 | JyZyXEL | any debian user using CrashPlan for backups? |
| 15:33.52 | nvz | steven43126: you could also just hack the packages config script and put exit 0 at the top and let it do what it wants ;) |
| 15:34.06 | nvz | steven43126: post.inst script that is |
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| 15:36.27 | steven43126 | nvz: sounds like an option |
| 15:36.38 | steven43126 | nvz: where will the script be where does it get unpacked ? |
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| 15:37.30 | nvz | steven43126: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst |
| 15:37.40 | nvz | steven43126: I do it all the time :-P |
| 15:37.51 | nvz | when a package is being stubborn |
| 15:38.11 | jimcooncat | I'm looking for a replacement for apt-cacher; would like to partially mirror repos, whitelist apps so I can test packages before moving them into a production repository. Also want to have a personal repository in there. I'm looking at apt-move, but not sure that fits the bill. |
| 15:38.26 | abrotman | you probably shouldn't do that for a postiinst |
| 15:38.45 | abrotman | steven43126: what's the error that the isntallation thorws ? |
| 15:39.11 | nvz | abrotman: well he's gotta do something ignorant. he manually fixed the problem and doesnt want dpkg to fool with it now.. but his package system is stuck in a state where it wants him to --configure -a |
| 15:39.36 | abrotman | nvz: do you even know what package it is? or what the postinst does ? |
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| 15:39.52 | nvz | abrotman: if nope, but its all yours if you got a better way. |
| 15:40.00 | Fantom | wlan0 Broadcom b43 - [phy0] -> how can i disable that device? |
| 15:40.09 | abrotman | steven43126: what is the package in question ? |
| 15:40.17 | abrotman | steven43126: or better yet, put the output in a pastebin |
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| 15:40.26 | nvz | Guest17579: you want to blacklist that driver? |
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| 15:40.42 | Fantom__ | how can i disable PCI card asaus wifi b/g ? |
| 15:40.48 | Fantom__ | ASUS |
| 15:40.48 | wols_ | !tell Fantom__ about blacklist |
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| 15:41.12 | Fantom__ | 10x |
| 15:41.25 | nvz | too bad there isn't a factoid about asking a question and then changing your nick 3 times.. heh |
| 15:43.33 | dbbolton | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.28 | steven43126 | abrotman: the package is a custom built one :) |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | so? you can still show us the error |
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| 15:44.52 | Strogg | when I'm reporting a bug that is a compile error of a package, do I need to report anything else other than the output of dpkg-buildpackage? that should have everything they need, right? gcc version, parameters, etc? |
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| 15:45.21 | steven43126 | abrotman: the error has been fixed i did it manually |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | then your postinst shouldn't fail anymore .. problem solved |
| 15:45.41 | DarkSun | hi all. is there a user that has a problem with beep in gnome-terminal? |
| 15:45.44 | steven43126 | abrotman: but the post inst script still tries to do a few things |
| 15:45.52 | abrotman | so it's not fixed ... |
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| 15:46.28 | steven43126 | abrotman: a small bug in the postinst script no not fixed but i wanted to check how to override it in this case so dpkg thinks it was successfull |
| 15:46.57 | abrotman | steven43126: there really isn't a correct way to override it. They're all hacks. |
| 15:47.28 | steven43126 | thats fine, i can fix the postinst later it's just a small package of some custom software put together in a hurry |
| 15:47.29 | DarkSun | hi all. is there a user that has a problem with beep in gnome-terminal? |
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| 15:47.54 | wols_ | !tell DarkSun about repeat |
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| 15:48.17 | steven43126 | abrotman: as oppsed to our old method of building everything on every server! it works slightly better :) |
| 15:48.22 | DarkSun | wols_: you can help me? |
| 15:48.39 | Strogg | Bah.. someone reported my bug already. atleast I found it before submitting. |
| 15:48.41 | steven43126 | thanks for the info guys. |
| 15:48.46 | Strogg | goes back to work.. ahh well.. |
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| 15:49.47 | tdn | wols_, titan8990: When I try to run apt-get build-dep md5deep, I get this error: E: Build-Depends dependency for md5deep cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
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| 15:50.08 | tdn | wols_, titan8990: Does this mean, that I cannot build the package for Lenny? |
| 15:50.27 | simonrvn | try using the debhelper in bpo |
| 15:50.36 | tdn | bpo? |
| 15:50.52 | tdn | backports.org? |
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| 15:51.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:52.09 | simonrvn | 7.4.11~bpo50+1 |
| 15:52.41 | DarkSun | this chan is useless. bye |
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| 15:53.25 | simonrvn | lamer left the building |
| 15:54.22 | tdn | simonrvn, can I use backports.org to ONLY install debhelper? I would like to keep the rest of the system Lenny. Should I then avoid putting "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main" in sources.list? And instead just download the .deb-file and dpkg -i it? |
| 15:54.42 | themill | tdn: you should read in the instructions page on backports.org |
| 15:55.08 | simonrvn | what he said |
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| 15:55.56 | tonsofpcs | is there a [default] hotkey combination to change resolution in xorg/gnome? |
| 15:56.14 | tdn | themill, simonrvn: ok. |
| 15:56.18 | Danny9 | hi |
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| 15:56.21 | Danny9 | jaka jest ró017cnica mi0119dzy && a &? |
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| 16:01.34 | Fantom__ | how can i install .bin firmware ? |
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| 16:02.10 | wols_ | Fantom__: what firmware exactly? |
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| 16:02.25 | Fantom__ | RT2870_Firmware_V8 |
| 16:02.35 | Fantom__ | rt2870.bin |
| 16:02.40 | wols_ | Fantom__: there is a .deb with that firmware |
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| 16:02.47 | wols_ | !tell Fantom__ about rt2800 |
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| 16:04.13 | Fantom__ | wols_: yes. firmware-ralink - Binary firmware for Ralink RT2561, RT2571, RT2661 and RT2671 wireless cards. but no 2870... |
| 16:05.15 | Fantom__ | how can i install manually .bin |
| 16:05.52 | tdn | wols_, titan8990: installed debhelper from backports, now I get this error: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1503.html on apt-get -b source md5deep. |
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| 16:08.19 | themill | tdn: you also need quilt from backports.org. Please file a wishlist bug against the package to have the maintainer use a correct, versioned build-depends on quilt so that backporting is easier. |
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| 16:10.18 | themill | tdn: I believe, the correct build-deps for the package would be debhelper (>= 7.3.5), quilt (>= 0.46-7) based on what you've pasted, although that might be a bit to strict for debhelper. |
| 16:11.27 | wols_ | what is so complicated on a simple recursive md5sum? |
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| 16:12.30 | themill | ,popcon md5deep |
| 16:12.31 | judd | Popcon data for md5deep: inst: 147, vote: 34, old: 98, recent: 15, nofiles: 0 |
| 16:12.36 | themill | wols_: not much by the look of that :) |
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| 16:14.16 | wols_ | popcon's samplesize isn't exactly great :( |
| 16:14.20 | Necrosporus | Hello. I would like to ask, is there any guide I can link as reference â which software would be include to debian |
| 16:14.36 | Necrosporus | I mean, would my hello world be included? |
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| 16:15.19 | wols_ | first, it needs to conform to the DFSG. see: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 16:15.31 | Necrosporus | Is there any notability critery to include/exclude certain software to debian? |
| 16:15.33 | wols_ | then it needs to be packaged and then you need to find a debian dev to sponsor it |
| 16:15.40 | Necrosporus | No, I mean free software |
| 16:15.51 | wols_ | no defined notability criteria |
| 16:15.58 | HollyRain | I'm working into a script which has halted my system (by any infinite loop), could be used ulimit to avoid that issue? |
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| 16:16.31 | wols_ | ctrl+c did not work? changing to another tty and killing it neither? |
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| 16:16.46 | Necrosporus | wols_, so I can even include "hello world" script if I convince some maintainer? |
| 16:17.06 | wols_ | pretty much yes. but: good luck to do this. |
| 16:17.07 | Necrosporus | HollyRain, try also ctrl-\ |
| 16:17.19 | HollyRain | wols_: it halts my desktop system |
| 16:17.36 | wols_ | HollyRain: and? |
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| 16:18.16 | HollyRain | after of a time I cann't use ctrl+c and my desktop is killed |
| 16:18.21 | Necrosporus | Why do you ask: I try to convince wikipedians that inclusion certain program into Debian is enough to make it notable |
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| 16:19.15 | pipeline | Necrosporus: the only way to win is not to plya |
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| 16:20.02 | peleg | Hey. Is there a reason why two #debian's are running, one here and one in oftc? Why don't we unite these? |
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| 16:20.25 | themill | peleg: umm because they're on different networks. |
| 16:20.44 | titan8990 | peleg: there is a long discussion about this on the mailing list archives. oftc is the "official" channel even though many less users are there |
| 16:20.45 | Necrosporus | Evil wikipedians try to remove some articles about free software, because they call it not notable |
| 16:20.57 | titan8990 | peleg: as I understand it, oftc is preferred by the DDs |
| 16:21.00 | themill | peleg: there are actually many many more #debian channels than that around, you just only know of two of them |
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| 16:21.18 | Necrosporus | Articles about Jabbim, Spark and others, i.e. |
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| 16:21.26 | peleg | I see; but why would one prefer this and not the other? |
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| 16:22.29 | pipeline | peleg: because some people have a moral objection to the use of freenode |
| 16:22.58 | peleg | Necrosporus, we should write an open-source software that finds and kills evil wikipedians, then (and then write new articles about them, since if an open-source software killed them, they're probably notable enough) |
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| 16:23.19 | peleg | pipeline, oh, I wondered about that, really. Why would one have this objection? |
| 16:23.38 | pipeline | peleg: that's a long story, and telling it while connected to freenode can result in a kline :D |
| 16:23.39 | hghgd | so installed testing yesterday but gnome is giving me issues, moving windows is hacky and redrawing in iceweasel when scrolling is slow |
| 16:24.03 | peleg | pipeline, heh... any link you can give me to read about it? |
| 16:24.03 | pipeline | peleg: suffice to say that at one time freenode was run by folks who solicited donations for a less-than-worthy cause |
| 16:24.17 | peleg | I see... |
| 16:24.34 | themill | dpkg: tell peleg about oftc move |
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| 16:30.39 | titan8990 | hghgd: welcome to testing |
| 16:31.13 | hghgd | titan8990: thanks for your valuable and helpful comment ;) |
| 16:31.41 | titan8990 | hghgd: anytime :) |
| 16:32.59 | abrotman | hghgd: try an `aptitude install xorg`, and also tell us which card/driver you're using |
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| 16:33.41 | hghgd | xorg is installed, using the radeonhd driver (catalyst didn't work) |
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| 16:35.29 | RayzrShrp | tgif everybody |
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| 16:42.06 | acu | I have to install few content management servers (apache, posgresql, PHP) and I would like very much to use Squeeze. I wonder if there is any hint how far is the freeze |
| 16:42.27 | jhutchins_lt | acu: No. |
| 16:42.45 | jhutchins_lt | acu: If you want stable use lenny. |
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| 16:44.40 | acu | thanks jhutchins_lt I need repeated feedback :) So I will go for lenny |
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| 16:49.10 | jhutchins_lt | acu: I'm working on cleaning up a server that somebody built on squeeze when it was unstable. |
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| 16:49.37 | petemc | did what? |
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| 16:49.57 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: squeeze was never unstable! :-D |
| 16:50.19 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Howcome /etc/debian.release says squeeze/sid then? |
| 16:50.36 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: "this machine might be squeeze or sid" |
| 16:50.54 | acu | jhutchins_lt, he might have enabled both repositories for some reasons |
| 16:50.55 | jhutchins_lt | Well that's helpful |
| 16:51.12 | Warp4 | jhutchins yeah the vyatta box im working on says lenny/sid |
| 16:51.15 | Warp4 | so yeah, very helpful |
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| 16:52.02 | Warp4 | im just glad they are still supporting the sparc platform :) |
| 16:52.48 | Warp4 | my other preferred distro stopped supporting the sparc platform a few releases back |
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| 16:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | Warp4: Any idea how it got that way? |
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| 16:54.16 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: you can't get a better answer from the base-files package only; you'd have to inspect apt config for more clues |
| 16:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | We suspect this system got pushed to testing/unstable to support a RAID card that we're not actually using. |
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| 16:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Unfortunately there's good reason to suspect that sources has been modified. It had "testing" and "lenny" enabled. |
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| 16:56.49 | ukwiz | what user does apache run under on lenny? |
| 16:57.31 | wols_ | www-data |
| 16:58.18 | ukwiz | wols_, thanks |
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| 17:01.03 | justhicks | Quck question, I sure I could figure out on my own, and I'm sorta sure I already know the answer. I was trying to find out what the cd's contain, the 31 cd's that are used to install debian. The reason is I only want to get the cd that has all the drivers, I'm assuming this is most likely CD 1 or could be some on CD 2, I need to know this since the netboot CD doesn't have the appropriate drivers for my network card. |
| 17:02.07 | wols_ | if netinst doesn't have a driver, than no CD does |
| 17:02.18 | wols_ | what NIC do you have? |
| 17:02.21 | jelly | justhicks: installer and all the drivers are always on the first or netinst image. |
| 17:02.29 | \amethyst | !kmuto |
| 17:02.29 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 17:02.50 | wols_ | that's probably what you nee justhicks: the kmuto installer. but it depends a bit on the NIC you have |
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| 17:03.36 | justhicks | I looked up the card, it's a card found in my thin client, a V90 Winterm made by WYSE, I think it's a rhinah II, I'll double check. It does say it's supported under lenny |
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| 17:03.56 | wols_ | you mean via rhine ii? |
| 17:04.52 | justhicks | Is dpkg a bot |
| 17:04.59 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:05.06 | NoReflex | hey guys! a friend of mine has a HP 360 G6 server with 2x Intel Xeon CPU X5550 @ 2.67GHz. lshw -C cpu shows two of them....but top, htop, proc/cpuinfo show 16 ... AFAIK these are quad cpu's - so I would understand 8 CPU's ... but 16 ??? |
| 17:05.10 | yagoo | justhicks, actually he may be human at times |
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| 17:05.29 | wols_ | NoReflex: google "hyperthreading" |
| 17:06.15 | jelly | right, what wols_ said. You can disable HT in Proliant's BIOS |
| 17:06.21 | justhicks | Oh, this helps so much, I've been trying for days to figure out how to install a dhcp server on a second NIC from my main system, using the pxe boot loader found in the thin client |
| 17:07.07 | wols_ | justhicks: but it can't be a via rhine ii chip then. rhine ii has been supported for a looong time in linux. it's an old chip too |
| 17:07.12 | justhicks | I haven't found a really good explination, I think, if I have the time, once I figure it out, I'll right a really therough howto to help everyone else |
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| 17:08.22 | justhicks | yep that's the card, maybe it has something to do with the usd cdrom drive, it did seem to lag quite a bit, actually excessively |
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| 17:09.45 | gh0st_ | make[2]: *** [/ghost/WUSB600N/os/linux/../../os/linux/rt_profile.o] Error 1 |
| 17:09.55 | gh0st_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.58 | NoReflex | jelly: does hyperthreading help much in the case of xeon x5550? |
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| 17:11.05 | sputnick | hi there |
| 17:11.43 | yagoo | justhicks, which cd were you trying? |
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| 17:12.12 | justhicks | It would be a fairly recent netboot, lenny |
| 17:12.26 | yagoo | justhicks, likely it would have to be the arm port |
| 17:12.27 | sputnick | I have a wrapper for apt-get in bash, when I run "apt-get install foo", the output is driving crazy, see : http://www.pastie.org/855826 Any idea ? "stty echo" is not the solution... |
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| 17:13.35 | lucascarvalho | hello, how can I configure my english keyboard on debian without graphical interface? |
| 17:13.35 | yagoo | or maybe i386 one.. |
| 17:13.58 | sputnick | lucascarvalho: "loadkeys en" ? |
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| 17:14.59 | lucascarvalho | sputnick: can not open file en , i made the most simple instalation. |
| 17:15.05 | sputnick | ( same thing with aptitude. If I run printenv just before, that display stuff as it should. ) |
| 17:15.20 | lucascarvalho | sputnick: maybe some layout packages are missing. |
| 17:15.43 | \amethyst | sputnick: what does the wrapper do? |
| 17:16.04 | sputnick | "strace -e trace=file loadkeys en" will tell you |
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| 17:17.11 | \amethyst | sputnick: what about stty onlcr ? |
| 17:17.25 | sputnick | "loadkeys c" maybe lucascarvalho ? |
| 17:17.43 | sputnick | nope. dunno, ask English people |
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| 17:17.57 | sputnick | \amethyst: I'll try. |
| 17:18.00 | yagoo | sputnick, it wants to wrap, because it's cool |
| 17:18.08 | lucascarvalho | no such file or directory sputnick |
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| 17:19.00 | \amethyst | sputnick: hm... though really it looks kind of like onlcr is on at the beginning, then gets turned off all of a sudden... does this wrapper pipe the output of apt-get or something? |
| 17:19.17 | sputnick | \amethyst and yagoo : I don't use a wrapper for cool attitude or such, I install missing packages for a automatic modules installer for PHP |
| 17:19.26 | Cain | Hi, what is the file system that supports better the power outage ? |
| 17:19.29 | justhicks | yagoo, it's a x86 processor, this is the pdf for the model, http://www.vecmar.com/pdf/wyse/V90.pdf |
| 17:20.08 | yagoo | sputnick, huh? hehehe |
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| 17:20.21 | justhicks | I'll have to get back at this later, I have to keep going with a project I started on my car, I'm going to pull the transaxel today, I'll be in and out |
| 17:20.34 | yagoo | justhicks, y. it says x86, u must need i386 |
| 17:20.42 | \amethyst | Cain: ext3 with the data=journal mount option, perhaps, though that is slower than the default data=ordered |
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| 17:20.52 | NoReflex | my notebook (Dell Inspiron 1520) just froze...I was reading a wikipedia page and suddenly I could not move my mouse, Ctrl+Alt+Del, Ctrl+Alt+F1, F2, F7, Ctrl+Alt+Bksp didn't do anything...I had to keep the power button down until it halted. Is there someplace in /var/log that I could search for possible causes? |
| 17:21.12 | lucascarvalho | What is the debian package to install all the keyboard layouts? |
| 17:21.12 | yagoo | justhicks, but you're doing this under your own knowledge what can/cannot be done -- especially with thin client hardware.. |
| 17:21.26 | Cain | \amethyst : thx |
| 17:21.35 | \amethyst | Cain: man mount and search for data= --- that will tell you what you need to do to enable data=journal on your root fs (just setting it in fstab isn't enough for the root fs) |
| 17:21.43 | justhicks | yagoo, that's the one I tried, however, I have some new info now which should help with new attempts |
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| 17:22.07 | yagoo | NoReflex, y, try the magic resc sys key (wikipedia) < this is a magic keyboard combo for doing stuff when kernel panics |
| 17:22.20 | Cain | \amethyst : i'm on reiserfs now, can i convert that on ext3 'easily' ? |
| 17:22.44 | \amethyst | not easily, no |
| 17:22.59 | bloom | I've got a class project for a databases class (to write a DBMS) that I've written, using GNU readline for input. I have a test data file with 1200 insert statements to paste into the frontend (all at once). I select the lines in vim and middle click in my rxvt-unicode terminal running the class project, and somewhere along the line readline misses characters in the middle of the block of insert statements, and I get syntax error |
| 17:23.00 | \amethyst | you'll need to backup, reformat, and retore |
| 17:23.02 | \amethyst | restore |
| 17:23.10 | yagoo | !keymap |
| 17:23.10 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 17:23.21 | Cain | \amethyst : i doubt that ^^, ok i'll try it |
| 17:23.31 | sputnick | \amethyst: no, there's no pipe. I tried "stty onlcr" and "stty onlret" with no luck |
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| 17:24.13 | Fantom__ | !tell Fantom build-essential |
| 17:24.22 | yagoo | not sure if keymap is hte proper keyword.... i would try |
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| 17:24.29 | yagoo | dpkg-reconfigure locales , as well |
| 17:24.30 | NoReflex | yagoo: did not know that - very interesting. wikipedia says CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ must be enabled at compile time. How can I check that my kernel has that option? |
| 17:24.51 | yagoo | NoReflex, not sure.. maybe google about something under /proc |
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| 17:25.19 | Fantom__ | how can i use modules essential build essential for compile? |
| 17:25.31 | NoReflex | yagoo: will search - thank you :) |
| 17:25.44 | yagoo | NoReflex, or maybe you have a /proc/config.gz file (zless it or zcat it to see it) |
| 17:25.47 | titan8990 | Fantom__: build-essentails is just a metapackage containing tools such as make and gcc |
| 17:25.48 | NoReflex | now I just have to wait for the next freeze :D |
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| 17:26.23 | Fantom__ | titan8990: i can't remember i member something like modules build essential m ... ?! wiht menu but i cant remember hwo to run it |
| 17:26.23 | titan8990 | yagoo: there is a man proc.... |
| 17:26.39 | titan8990 | Fantom__: module-assistant maybe? |
| 17:27.00 | Fantom__ | YES. thanks |
| 17:27.09 | yagoo | Fantom__, speak english please. "i can't remember i member" << makes utter nonsense hoggwash |
| 17:27.16 | Fantom__ | :)))))))))))) |
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| 17:27.56 | titan8990 | yagoo: i am used to it because I have a rl friend that asks me the same kind of questions hehe |
| 17:28.00 | pierre_le | i do not understand the "perf event paranoia level" role |
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| 17:28.16 | titan8990 | pierre_le: is that SELinux? |
| 17:28.45 | pierre_le | possible values for /proc/sys/kernel/perf_event_paranoid are -1,0,1,2 |
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| 17:29.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | are there any helper tools to setup your mouse in debian lenny? |
| 17:29.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | or do I have to configure it manually with xorg.conf? |
| 17:29.34 | NoReflex | titan8990: you were right ... man proc does have the information ... cat /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/.config contains the compile params |
| 17:30.07 | yagoo | KaffeeJunky123, in *nix we call that a pointer |
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| 17:30.21 | sputnick | \amethyst: very strange, I have 2 scripts, one to compile php, one to compile modules. The module one works as it should, stty return : "speed 38400 baud; line = 0; -brkint -imaxbel" exactly like the PHP installer script, but the output is right for the PHP module installer... |
| 17:30.24 | titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: if its a touchpad I think debian has gsynaptics |
| 17:30.36 | pierre_le | titan8990, squeeze 2.6.32 . i want to disable this stuff . virtualbox warn me about an issue with perf counters |
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| 17:30.46 | titan8990 | KaffeeJunky123: outside of touchpads it is rare for a mouse to require configuration |
| 17:31.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | titan8990: it's a logitech mx518 and I'd like to enable the forward backwards button for browsing |
| 17:31.45 | RayzrShrp | KaffeeJunky123: you want to configure it for x |
| 17:31.53 | yagoo | sputnick, i'm assuming everything works except for the logging stuff.. maybe you want to use COLUMNS= |
| 17:31.55 | titan8990 | ah, I have the same mouse but I never used those buttons... mainly got it for the quick-change sensitivity |
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| 17:32.27 | wols_ | !tell pierre_le about errors |
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| 17:33.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | RayzrShrp: sure |
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| 17:33.27 | RayzrShrp | KaffeeJunky123: you would need to change the settings in your xconfig file |
| 17:33.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | my current xorg.conf looks like this http://pastie.org/855851 |
| 17:33.46 | yagoo | RayzrShrp, no he doesnt |
| 17:33.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | well the InputDevice part |
| 17:34.08 | yagoo | can use x resources with xbindkey or other alternatives |
| 17:34.11 | Fantom__ | how can i compile with module-assistant ? |
| 17:34.48 | Fantom__ | !tell Fantom__ module-assistant |
| 17:34.48 | sputnick | yagoo: everything works except apt-get install output |
| 17:34.49 | yagoo | sputnick, did u try COLUMNS= ? |
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| 17:34.53 | yagoo | (to a number, like 200) |
| 17:34.53 | sputnick | I will |
| 17:34.56 | sputnick | sure |
| 17:34.56 | titan8990 | !tell Fantom__ about selftell |
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| 17:35.33 | BlessJah | i don't have bios speaker (beeper?) in my laptop, but i have rj-11 modem |
| 17:35.46 | BlessJah | is there any way to use modem speaker as a main bios speaker? |
| 17:35.54 | yagoo | BlessJah, no |
| 17:36.08 | BlessJah | is sad |
| 17:36.09 | yagoo | BlessJah, bless your ears! |
| 17:36.16 | yagoo | you won |
| 17:36.22 | yagoo | t go deaf later in life! |
| 17:36.27 | BlessJah | but i want this lovely 'BEEP!' sound |
| 17:37.10 | DogBoy | i always disable spaeker first thing |
| 17:37.19 | DogBoy | speaker too |
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| 17:37.43 | DogBoy | physically disconnect it |
| 17:38.18 | yagoo | throws BlessJah in the back of a truck and backs up the truck to the dumpsite |
| 17:38.21 | titan8990 | BlessJah: gnome terminal can use your real speakers for the beep |
| 17:38.33 | BlessJah | but i need it (really) xD |
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| 17:38.43 | Fantom__ | how can i install .tar package with m-a ? |
| 17:38.57 | BlessJah | titan8990: real speakers are usually muted, and also i'm using urxvt |
| 17:38.59 | titan8990 | Fantom__: you don't m-a is for building modules in the debian repos |
| 17:39.02 | BlessJah | gnome sucks |
| 17:39.03 | wols_ | modem speaker? |
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| 17:39.36 | titan8990 | BlessJah: I have always disliked the way copy/paste worked on xterm and rxvt |
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| 17:39.55 | Fantom__ | titan8990: hwo can i install WUSB600N.tar |
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| 17:40.35 | BlessJah | titan8990: middlemousebuttonman is more powerful than ^^man |
| 17:40.51 | yagoo | titan8990, use xclip |
| 17:40.51 | BlessJah | s/^^man/^c^vman/ |
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| 17:41.46 | yagoo | /msg dpkg |
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| 17:42.41 | NoReflex | yagoo: under gnome Alt+SysRQ opens gnome screenshot.. on my KB printscr is on the same key as sysrq, FN didn't help either |
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| 17:48.21 | sputnick | \amethyst & yagoo: still no luck with hardcoded $COLUMNS, not even "kill -28 $$" ( SIGWINCH ) |
| 17:48.57 | bloom | I've got a class project for a databases class (to write a DBMS) that I've written, using GNU readline for input. I have a test data file with 1200 insert statements to paste into the frontend (all at once). I select the lines in vim and middle click in my rxvt-unicode terminal running the class project, and somewhere along the line readline misses characters in the middle of the block of insert statements, and I get syntax error |
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| 17:50.10 | titan8990 | !homework |
| 17:50.10 | dpkg | well, homework is something you should do yourself |
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| 17:51.50 | nejucomo | I have a ./debian/init.d/foo shell script taken from the template. It is executable. I uncommented the dh_installinit line from rules under the binary-arch target. |
| 17:52.06 | nejucomo | When I run debuild, it prints out my dh_installinit command, so I assume it is executing. |
| 17:52.13 | nejucomo | -yet my package lacks the init.d script. |
| 17:52.25 | nejucomo | I also try running dh_installinit by hand and it prints out no results. |
| 17:52.45 | nejucomo | I've run it under strace and it seems to stat ./debian/init.d, but it never looks at my script. |
| 17:53.09 | nejucomo | Any ideas? |
| 17:53.33 | nejucomo | Ah, it looks like it should be called ./debian/package.init⦠NM. |
| 17:53.36 | nejucomo | rtfms. |
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| 17:54.46 | titan8990 | nejucomo: #debian-mentors on oftc might be of better help |
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| 17:54.57 | nejucomo | Oh, cool! Thanks. |
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| 17:55.38 | adix666 | hello, i have problem with debian etsting instalation |
| 17:56.08 | wols_ | !tell adix666 about ask |
| 17:56.23 | acu | what is the command to list the size of the files and folders too ? |
| 17:56.27 | acu | ls what ? |
| 17:56.42 | acu | somehow my var is full |
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| 17:57.03 | adix666 | yesterday i wanted to install debian testing and i can't make partitions |
| 17:57.05 | titan8990 | acu: du -h for directory sizes |
| 17:57.20 | adix666 | it starts partionioner and stops at 52% |
| 17:57.56 | acu | titan8990, what should I do so I see a page at a time? |
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| 17:58.30 | titan8990 | acu: du -h /var | more or du -h /var > var_sizes.txt |
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| 17:58.49 | titan8990 | acu: you can pipe it through a pager or output to a file that can be opened with a text editor |
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| 17:59.29 | cliebow | could anyone speak to booting debian across the network with a kernel greater than 3.8 meg? |
| 18:00.23 | titan8990 | cliebow: the debian kernel is less than half of that... |
| 18:01.17 | HandyGandy | How can I generate ( commandline ) a list of packages which are not uptodate? |
| 18:01.37 | cliebow | titan8990, the ubuntu ltsp kernel is pretty big..maybe i should be developing this in debian |
| 18:01.45 | titan8990 | cliebow: 3.8mb sounds like you marked everything you saw * when compiling a custom |
| 18:01.57 | titan8990 | cliebow: ubuntu and ltsp has their own channels |
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| 18:02.06 | titan8990 | s/has/have |
| 18:02.11 | cliebow | yes.. i am one of the devs |
| 18:02.29 | adix666 | anyone can help me? |
| 18:03.11 | cliebow | tit |
| 18:03.14 | cliebow | heh |
| 18:03.40 | cliebow | titan8990, this is the powerpc piece.. |
| 18:04.24 | docgnome | I'm using shell-fm and i keep getting this alsa error ALSA: underrun, at least 0ms. |
| 18:04.28 | cliebow | and it seems there is a size limit openfirmware can deal with |
| 18:04.39 | wols_ | cliebow: are you running debian or not? |
| 18:05.03 | cliebow | i am working ubuntu/ltsp |
| 18:05.05 | wols_ | aand how is a openfirmware "feature" a debian problem? |
| 18:05.19 | wols_ | then you are in the wrong channel. ask for help elsewhere |
| 18:05.51 | cliebow | ill get vagrantc to look at it..he is a debiasn dev |
| 18:06.15 | docgnome | any ideas what could cause this? running testing |
| 18:06.24 | cliebow | cliebow goes back to his homies |
| 18:06.30 | docgnome | i've tried using other apps to see if they have the same problem and they don't appear to |
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| 18:06.51 | titan8990 | docgnome: your using testing... did you check the BTS? |
| 18:07.05 | docgnome | BTS? |
| 18:07.22 | titan8990 | !bts |
| 18:07.22 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 18:07.35 | titan8990 | docgnome: squeeze users should be very familiar with it |
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| 18:08.07 | docgnome | ah. no. I'm not running shell-fm from the package manager. I'm trying to figure out if it's a shell-fm problem or an alsa problem |
| 18:09.03 | BlessJah | erm... i've got some root -rw-r--r-- files in home |
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| 18:09.33 | BlessJah | when i tried to remove one of them rm asked if i really want to remove write-protected file |
| 18:09.39 | BlessJah | and removed it... |
| 18:09.50 | titan8990 | docgnome: why not use the debian package... where ya know, it might be supported in debian? |
| 18:09.52 | BlessJah | i'm in sudoers and also i can su |
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| 18:10.20 | sputnick | \amethyst & yagoo : I've found a hack working : "LC_ALL=C apt-get install ${confirm:+"-qq"} ${pk[@]} | tr '\n' '\n\n'" |
| 18:10.32 | BlessJah | but shouldn't it end with error unable to remove? the owner is root, mod is 644... |
| 18:10.33 | sputnick | ( I put doubles newlines ) |
| 18:10.34 | titan8990 | BlessJah: sounds like you have an alias for rm that does rm -i, but i don't really understand the problem |
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| 18:10.53 | titan8990 | BlessJah: what are the perms on the directory? |
| 18:10.54 | BlessJah | titan8990: owner is root, mod is 644, whoami returns blessjah |
| 18:11.23 | BlessJah | blessjah 755 |
| 18:11.44 | BlessJah | i can remove everythink i want from directories that i have write permissions? |
| 18:11.45 | jelly-hme | BlessJah: owner of the directory can delete anyone's files |
| 18:11.52 | docgnome | titan8990: because even the sid package is three years old |
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| 18:13.13 | BlessJah | sounds strange to me, if root creates 700 dir in my home, i'll be able to delete whole directory, but not one file inside it, right? |
| 18:13.38 | \amethyst | docgnome: closer to two, but yeah :) |
| 18:14.08 | docgnome | \amethyst: heh, timestamp on it is 20071125 |
| 18:14.11 | \amethyst | BlessJah: actually, if it contains any files you won't be able to |
| 18:14.17 | titan8990 | BlessJah: no, because you can't remove a non-empty directory. -r removes the files first |
| 18:14.20 | \amethyst | docgnome: two years four months |
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| 18:14.54 | BlessJah | ok thx |
| 18:15.05 | BlessJah | i've never met with sth like that... xD |
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| 18:18.00 | aaronorosen2 | Does anyone know where i can find the custom debian isos are with new network drivers packaged along? |
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| 18:18.47 | \amethyst | !kmuto |
| 18:18.47 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 18:25.48 | aaronorosen2 | Do those images work if i put them on a flashdrive with unetbootin? |
| 18:25.57 | aaronorosen2 | Some of them assume that are installing from a cd and they get messed up |
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| 18:30.39 | sputnick | the problem now is that now, "apt-get install foo | tr" is buffering output... |
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| 18:36.44 | BlessJah | i'm looking for oss4 installing howto but wiki doesnt have sth like that, google returns mainly errors conencted with oss4 |
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| 18:41.33 | jhutchins | how do I get top to sort by memory used? |
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| 18:42.01 | lucascarvalho | is there anything to auto configure apt-get sources.list? |
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| 18:45.01 | dkr | netselect-apt "It can output a sources.list(5) file" |
| 18:45.28 | BlessJah | how to run oss4 (no manuals on google for debian) |
| 18:45.28 | titan8990 | jhutchins_lt: not sure if top can do it, but htop can easily |
| 18:45.51 | titan8990 | BlessJah: you have an application that only supports oss? |
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| 18:46.44 | BlessJah | titan8990: i've got built-in microphone (laptop), and alsa (on ubuntu) doesnt supported it |
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| 18:46.57 | greycat | blinks. |
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| 18:47.04 | greycat | It says #debian on my client. |
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| 18:47.20 | BlessJah | i will try to run this mic with oss4 and then with alsa, i'll also try both and compare them |
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| 18:48.05 | titan8990 | !oss4 |
| 18:48.05 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for UNIX systems. OSS/Free was previously in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian as oss4 in testing. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:48.32 | BlessJah | thanks, i'll ask on #oss |
| 18:48.39 | titan8990 | BlessJah: your likely going to find that difficult, but I believe there are oss compatibility plugins for alsa |
| 18:49.37 | BlessJah | titan8990: maybe oss will make my built-in microphone running |
| 18:49.38 | BlessJah | mybe not |
| 18:49.50 | BlessJah | on ubuntu i wasn't able to record using it |
| 18:50.05 | greycat | You really should ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, not #debian. |
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| 18:50.06 | sputnick | \amethyst & yagoo : I've found THE solution ;) http://www.pastie.org/855965 |
| 18:50.14 | greycat | If you have an ALSA question, you can ask the ALSA channel(s). |
| 18:50.24 | BlessJah | greycat: i HAD ubuntu |
| 18:50.29 | BlessJah | i have debian |
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| 18:51.21 | BlessJah | ubuntu sucks, i've got problem with debian and oss4 |
| 18:51.35 | greycat | I doubt many people here use OSS (4 or otherwise). |
| 18:51.49 | titan8990 | if any |
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| 18:52.28 | BlessJah | but someone have to use it |
| 18:52.47 | greycat | No, I'm pretty sure there's no agency that's running around pointing guns at people making them use OSS. |
| 18:53.15 | BlessJah | greycat: guns? guns are bad |
| 18:53.30 | BlessJah | i'm 100% sure that at least one person here use OSS |
| 18:53.52 | simonrvn | i haven't in years. i explicitly disable it when i build a kernel. |
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| 18:54.12 | greycat | I gave up trying to build Linux kernels. |
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| 18:54.26 | SimManiac | hi |
| 18:54.27 | greycat | When the questionnaire takes more than 30 minutes, fuck it. |
| 18:54.40 | BlessJah | so if alsa is so god |
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| 18:55.02 | BlessJah | how can i make it to recognize my mic and record using it? |
| 18:55.19 | greycat | It doesn't recognize speakers, or microphones. It recognizes sound chipsets (cards, etc.). |
| 18:55.26 | greycat | The microphone has to be attached to a sound chipset of some kind. |
| 18:55.36 | greycat | ALSA should load a driver for that, if your kernel supports it. |
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| 18:56.39 | greycat | !alsa-checklist |
| 18:56.40 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 18:56.58 | greycat | There is an #alsa channel too. |
| 18:56.59 | docgnome | so i need to restart alsa after i edit .asoundrc? |
| 18:57.37 | greycat | As far as I understand it (which isn't very far), /etc/asound.conf or the personal version are read by ALSA-using applications, so it's re-read whenever you restart the media player or whatever. |
| 18:57.44 | BlessJah | greycat: nothing helped |
| 18:57.51 | greycat | BlessJah: does sound *output* work? |
| 18:58.02 | BlessJah | output work |
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| 18:58.08 | greycat | Then try #alsa. |
| 18:58.15 | BlessJah | i can record using external microphone |
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| 18:58.21 | acu | if I have3 monitors can I have kde and gnome each on its own monitor |
| 18:59.23 | greycat | It's possible that your internal microphone is connected to some chipset other than the one that's playing through your speakers and to which your external mic is attached. Maybe. |
| 18:59.39 | greycat | Though I have a hard time believing a laptop would have two separate sound chipsets in it. |
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| 19:01.51 | abrotman | modem ? |
| 19:02.13 | sputnick | see ya |
| 19:02.17 | sputnick | thanks |
| 19:02.32 | BlessJah | greycat: could you repeat? internal connected to other chipset than external or what? |
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| 19:02.41 | greycat | you tell us. it's your hardware. |
| 19:03.23 | BlessJah | Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) - lspci (my is MCP78S) |
| 19:03.52 | BlessJah | ossdetect - Detected Nvidia High Definition Audio (MCP78S) |
| 19:04.02 | greycat | Right, and I would *expect* that the speakers, the internal mic, and the external mic port are all plugged into the same nVidia audio chipset. |
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| 19:04.10 | greycat | So if the speakers work, the internal mic should work. |
| 19:04.17 | BlessJah | but doesnt |
| 19:04.29 | BlessJah | in alsamixer i had only one Mic channel |
| 19:04.29 | greycat | Then ask #alsa how to configure it or whatever you're missing. |
| 19:04.37 | titan8990 | can you confirm the mic works? I go through 2-3 mics per year.... |
| 19:04.51 | BlessJah | if there ask connected to same chipset i should have Mic and Mic2 |
| 19:05.17 | BlessJah | titan8990: laptop is new, i've never get mic working |
| 19:05.30 | greycat | maybe it's just broken hardware |
| 19:05.53 | BlessJah | i've got no way to check it |
| 19:06.09 | abrotman | titan8990: wtf are you going to those mics ? |
| 19:06.14 | greycat | maybe you have to write some cryptic gibberish into asound.conf. I don't know. #alsa might know. |
| 19:06.19 | greycat | Did I mention #alsa yet? |
| 19:06.31 | titan8990 | abrotman: I run over the cord with my chair... all the time |
| 19:06.39 | BlessJah | only thing i can do is installing windows with hope that will work without drivers |
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| 19:06.49 | greycat | Nothing works 'without drivers'. |
| 19:06.50 | BlessJah | greycat: yes? |
| 19:06.51 | titan8990 | I try to keep all the excess cord in my lap, but often doesn't help |
| 19:06.59 | greycat | It might work with the drivers that are built into Windows. |
| 19:07.15 | BlessJah | i will try with oss next 10 minutes and then i will remove this sh*t and install alsa |
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| 19:07.32 | BlessJah | that what i meant, no external drivers |
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| 19:11.54 | zepard | hi all |
| 19:12.17 | zepard | is there a player for apcn format videos? |
| 19:14.00 | titan8990 | Asia-Pacific Cable Network? |
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| 19:15.51 | haqe18 | How can I create a fat32 filesystem from debian? |
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| 19:16.24 | BlessJah | u can use gparted |
| 19:16.43 | titan8990 | haqe18: mkfs.vfat |
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| 19:17.52 | zepard | titan8990: not really ...:) |
| 19:17.59 | BlessJah | 18 |
| 19:18.14 | zepard | titan8990: an apple shit format |
| 19:18.14 | haqe18 | titan8990: thnx |
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| 19:19.47 | titan8990 | zepard: wikipedia doesn't seem to know anything about it |
| 19:19.55 | acu | how do you change the refresh rate for display in lenny ? |
| 19:20.09 | zepard | hum ffmpeg says it is prores format , vlc says apcn |
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| 19:21.11 | titan8990 | zepard: yeah, my google search turned up a few unsolved form posts about getting to play or converted. It looks like its a wrapper around their .mov format |
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| 19:22.24 | zepard | titan8990: maybe yes |
| 19:22.44 | titan8990 | !quicktime |
| 19:22.44 | dpkg | it has been said that quicktime is apple's multimedia file format, at http://www.quicktime.apple.com/ or Quicktime for Linux (Low level Quicktime library for *NIX), section Development/Libraries, is LGPL. Stable: 1.1.2, Development: none. http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/919133076/ |
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| 19:23.13 | daltio111 | guys i have a debian machine n xp machine i want to send data from debain to windows what i do |
| 19:23.38 | greycat | can you initiate the process from the windows box? |
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| 19:23.56 | zepard | titan8990: don't think quicktime-utils would be a help |
| 19:24.04 | zepard | i'll look at it |
| 19:24.11 | daltio111 | i install Delta copy a rsync utility on xp and rying this comand on debain rsync -av /home 192.168.1.2\cygdrive\c\backup no use |
| 19:24.15 | daltio111 | rsync -av /home 192.168.1.2 |
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| 19:24.33 | daltio111 | show me data copied but i wont see in xp which drive i search |
| 19:24.35 | greycat | daltio111: that would require the windows box to be listening for connections, which it probably isn't doing |
| 19:24.55 | daltio111 | i insall delta copy on XP |
| 19:24.57 | greycat | although I've got no clue what "Delta copy" is |
| 19:25.07 | daltio111 | should listen to connections ? |
| 19:25.08 | titan8990 | greycat: windows port of rsync |
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| 19:25.51 | daltio111 | is greycat a utility? |
| 19:26.00 | titan8990 | believe it uses rsh/rcp for transfers |
| 19:26.04 | greycat | EWWWW |
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| 19:26.35 | jok3r | hello all, I was wondering if you knew of a package to download debian packages (.debs) to a specified directory |
| 19:26.45 | greycat | wget |
| 19:26.51 | jok3r | greycat, isn't that by http: |
| 19:26.56 | greycat | yes |
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| 19:27.01 | jok3r | greycat, i have a list of package names... |
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| 19:27.17 | daltio111 | titan990? |
| 19:27.20 | greycat | mount your target directory on top of /var/cache/apt/archives and apt-get them |
| 19:27.23 | daltio111 | i wont understand |
| 19:27.24 | daltio111 | ?? |
| 19:27.30 | bzrk | apt-get --download-only |
| 19:27.33 | jok3r | greycat, i already have a bunch of these installed but not archived |
| 19:27.43 | jok3r | bzrk, again, installed but not archived, hence apt-get wont do anything for me |
| 19:27.43 | greycat | what bzrk said |
| 19:27.53 | greycat | --reinstall |
| 19:27.59 | jok3r | ah, that will work |
| 19:28.07 | jok3r | greycat, does --reinstall --purge first? |
| 19:28.30 | greycat | no |
| 19:28.40 | jok3r | ok, good |
| 19:28.47 | wols_ | greycat: deltacopy = only copy the differences, the delta |
| 19:29.40 | jok3r | greycat, with --reinstall it still doesn't download the package |
| 19:30.08 | greycat | liars. |
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| 19:31.55 | greycat | apt-get install bash -> bash is already the newest version. |
| 19:32.07 | greycat | apt-get --reinstall --download-only install bash -> Need to get 586kB of archives. ... |
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| 19:33.05 | jok3r | Need to get 78.3MB of archives. |
| 19:33.06 | jok3r | After this operation, 277MB of additional disk space will be used. |
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| 19:33.29 | jok3r | nvm, got it |
| 19:33.30 | devurandom | Hi! |
| 19:33.33 | jok3r | greycat, didn't see the size difference |
| 19:33.40 | devurandom | Does someone else also have issues with wicd in latest Debian/Sid? |
| 19:33.49 | pht | yo... quick question: what config to change so i dont have to say --without-recommends every time i use aptitude? |
| 19:33.55 | jok3r | went from 71mb to 141mb for download |
| 19:34.03 | devurandom | It logs "Undefined object is not callable"... :( |
| 19:34.21 | greycat | !tell devurandom about bts |
| 19:35.31 | devurandom | Yes, I know that thing, but there's no bug yet, so I assume its not a general issue. |
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| 19:38.32 | acu | I changed a hard disk from one system to another - I run lenny AMD64 and now I got a message that the screen cannot support the resolutions (which is not true) is just the VGA cards are different - How I reconfigure the card ? |
| 19:38.59 | greycat | at what point do you get this error? when you run startx? |
| 19:39.09 | acu | greycat: yes |
| 19:39.14 | greycat | !configure x |
| 19:39.14 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 19:39.48 | greycat | I've found "xorg mostly configures itself" to be rather unrealistic. |
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| 19:40.50 | wols_ | greycat: with so much understatement, you must be a brit |
| 19:40.55 | greycat | no |
| 19:41.37 | acu | it is a bit frustrating - I used to know how to change xorg.conf to see multiple screens etc - now I do not know anything - I remember xphigh or something like this - but now I am in cold water, and this should have been relatively a trivial matter in 2010 |
| 19:42.05 | greycat | !xorg config lenny |
| 19:42.05 | dpkg | In lenny, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf> but if you need to, you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to set your keyboard layout. If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. |
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| 19:42.23 | acu | is any hardware autodetection |
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| 19:43.07 | wols_ | strange how the kernel can detect pretty much every other hardware and use it automagically but X11 can't do it with video |
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| 19:45.22 | daltio111 | guys any idea? |
| 19:45.59 | titan8990 | wols_: modern xorg dropped HAL and will now use evdev just like the kernel |
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| 19:46.07 | titan8990 | wols_: upstream atleast |
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| 19:48.51 | astomith | i just did a guided install on encrypted lvm with everything on one partition using the squeeze installer and at reboot it couldn't find the root. i also tried the manual way, making an encrypted partition to hold the lvm and then making root and swap as lvm logical volumes. same result, root can't be found. had anyone else hit this problem with squeeze? |
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| 19:49.50 | yucatan | hello guys if i want my debian machine behind a cable modem do i need to do something special then ? my windows xp machine recieve a dhcp replay from my isp but the debian machine does not get a dhcp replay somebody ? |
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| 19:50.49 | wols_ | yucatan: by default you don't need anything. |
| 19:50.58 | yucatan | strange |
| 19:51.04 | wols_ | check if you have a network interface. /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 19:51.08 | yucatan | i work with debian a very long time and i dont understand this |
| 19:51.09 | greycat | If the cable modem acts as a router, it ought to just work. |
| 19:51.18 | yucatan | it does Not act liek router |
| 19:51.24 | yucatan | it act like modem only |
| 19:51.42 | yucatan | can i not use the network discovery mode from the cd ? |
| 19:51.46 | yucatan | when i used that it worked |
| 19:51.46 | greycat | If it's some sort of bridge that's tied to the XP box's MAC address, then you may have to reconfigure it, or falsify your MAC. |
| 19:52.05 | yucatan | no because i have 2 windows xp machine in my network |
| 19:52.10 | yucatan | and they recieve dhcp from my isp |
| 19:52.15 | yucatan | my the linux machine does not |
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| 19:52.25 | wols_ | yucatan: suityourself and solve your problem alone. HAND |
| 19:53.00 | yucatan | greycat i see my 2 interfaces |
| 19:53.04 | yucatan | so thats fine |
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| 19:54.43 | saadasdasd | i retryed my winxp machine does work and my debian does not |
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| 19:55.44 | greycat | is your /etc/network/interfaces correctly set up for DHCP? |
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| 19:56.08 | saadasdasd | yeah |
| 19:56.19 | saadasdasd | both the network card i have setup for dhcp |
| 19:56.26 | saadasdasd | both connected to the switch |
| 19:56.48 | saadasdasd | can i not use the network discovery from the installation cd? |
| 19:56.57 | saadasdasd | because that did found the network |
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| 19:58.45 | PinkFreud | saadasdasd: A. Highly unlikely. B. Why would you need to? |
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| 19:59.26 | saadasdasd | what would i need what ? |
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| 19:59.55 | PinkFreud | You stated yourself that you merely use dhcp. Why would you need to use this so-called 'network discovery' from a cd? |
| 19:59.56 | wols_ | PinkFreud: debian installer software is MAGIC! unlike the normal debian software of course |
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| 20:00.31 | saadasdasd | because that wizard did found the network |
| 20:00.35 | PinkFreud | wols_: While I'm sure there are those who will no doubt claim that to be the case... :P |
| 20:00.41 | saadasdasd | and if i hit ifdown eth0 ifup eht0 it dont |
| 20:01.14 | saadasdasd | thx for ur foolish reaction wols) |
| 20:01.16 | saadasdasd | _ |
| 20:01.19 | greycat | look for errors from your dhcp client daemon in /var/log/* |
| 20:01.32 | saadasdasd | okee |
| 20:02.58 | titan8990 | also, if you are talking about the installer, one the TTYs should have debugging info |
| 20:03.28 | greycat | I'm pretty sure he means "It worked during the installer, but not after the reboot from disk" |
| 20:03.42 | titan8990 | ah, ok |
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| 20:04.10 | zepard | I give up this mac ProRes format has no chance to be played back |
| 20:04.18 | zepard | thanks' though |
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| 20:05.11 | PinkFreud | this 'wizard' he mentions sounds more like a router install cd. |
| 20:05.28 | daltio111 | guys i want to send backup from debain to XP any ida how i do? |
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| 20:05.52 | greycat | read the documentation that came with your "delta copy" thing. |
| 20:05.59 | jp-- | hi guys... do you think it's possible to usplash busybox? |
| 20:06.07 | JPT | daltio111: you can actually mount ext3 partitions on win xp with the ifs tools |
| 20:06.15 | jp-- | to change that penguin + boot text when loading the system? |
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| 20:07.05 | wols_ | daltio111: via network? use samba |
| 20:08.28 | daltio111 | ifs tools? |
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| 20:09.00 | wols_ | daltio111: is it on the same machine or is it across the network? |
| 20:09.02 | daltio111 | do i make it with rsync |
| 20:09.08 | daltio111 | across network |
| 20:09.20 | wols_ | rsync is one way, yes |
| 20:09.34 | daltio111 | how i do i install rsunc server on XP |
| 20:09.39 | wols_ | do you already have a backup file (like a tarball) or not? |
| 20:09.42 | daltio111 | debain is with rsync |
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| 20:09.51 | daltio111 | how i send command from debain to XP |
| 20:09.57 | daltio111 | no |
| 20:10.01 | greycat | With just the XP built-ins, you *can't*. |
| 20:10.06 | daltio111 | no tar ball its a folder 60 GB |
| 20:10.17 | greycat | XP has no facilities for receiving shell commands from a remote system. Not out of the box. |
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| 20:10.32 | wols_ | for the rsync server: you can use an rsync server, ssh server, ftp server, etc. if you need of those: google. this is not ##windows |
| 20:10.45 | greycat | You either have to FTP a file by *initiating* the connection from the XP system, or you have to install something. |
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| 20:10.57 | lloyd | xD |
| 20:11.00 | PinkFreud | wols_: it's not? crud, I'm in the wrong channel! |
| 20:11.04 | PinkFreud | :P |
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| 20:11.26 | fant0m_ | why when i compile 2.6.33 ot boot it list everything on 2 ttys, tty 1 and tty 6 i want only 1 tty? |
| 20:11.38 | wols_ | I still think he should just mount a network share via samba and copy it over |
| 20:11.50 | greycat | that might work. |
| 20:12.17 | greycat | I don't know what one has to do to a Windows box to make it an SMB server. |
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| 20:12.26 | greycat | or CIFS server or whatever it is |
| 20:12.30 | PinkFreud | greycat: largely, enable sharing. |
| 20:12.31 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 20:12.41 | wols_ | greycat: right click on the folder and share it |
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| 20:13.49 | fant0m_ | on boot.. |
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| 20:14.47 | daltio | wols |
| 20:14.48 | daltio | 2010/03/06 01:06:18 [4992] rsyncd version 3.0.7 starting, listening on port 873 |
| 20:14.48 | daltio | 2010/03/06 01:07:52 [4992] rsync error: received SIGINT, SIGTERM, or SIGHUP (code 20) at rsync.c(543) [Receiver=3.0.7] |
| 20:14.48 | daltio | 2010/03/06 01:07:53 [3060] rsyncd version 3.0.7 starting, listening on port 873 |
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| 20:14.55 | El_Angelo | where can i find the minimal iso for debian unstable? |
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| 20:15.07 | greycat | !netinstall |
| 20:15.07 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 20:15.23 | greycat | there isn't "an ISO for unstable". you don't install unstable. |
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| 20:16.27 | El_Angelo | ty |
| 20:16.41 | El_Angelo | i don't want to install stable |
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| 20:16.54 | PinkFreud | El_Angelo: why not? |
| 20:17.09 | El_Angelo | waste of my time |
| 20:17.24 | El_Angelo | i want to run unstable anyway |
| 20:17.30 | PinkFreud | attempting to install sid is a waste of time. |
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| 20:17.47 | El_Angelo | no |
| 20:18.03 | El_Angelo | you may think it's a waste of time for you |
| 20:18.07 | PinkFreud | it's not? |
| 20:18.22 | El_Angelo | it's not a waste for me |
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| 20:18.40 | Warp4 | El_Angelo do you install unstable on production machines?? |
| 20:18.54 | El_Angelo | i don't produce |
| 20:19.00 | PinkFreud | Warp4: I'm hoping he doesn't have any. :) |
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| 20:19.21 | abrotman | El_Angelo: if you're asking where to find the ISO for unstable, you shouldn't be running unstable |
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| 20:19.35 | El_Angelo | whatever |
| 20:19.54 | maligor | yeah, unstable will break once in a while |
| 20:19.57 | Warp4 | El_Angelo i mean are you going to install that on mission critical servers? |
| 20:20.02 | daltio | wols |
| 20:20.02 | daltio | ? |
| 20:20.03 | El_Angelo | no |
| 20:20.05 | abrotman | FSVO "once in awhile" |
| 20:20.05 | PinkFreud | El_Angelo: abrotman is correct. It shows that you don't know enough about unstable to run it. |
| 20:20.05 | El_Angelo | of course not |
| 20:20.12 | Warp4 | thank god for that |
| 20:20.22 | El_Angelo | PinkFreud: i don't know debian well |
| 20:20.25 | El_Angelo | i agree with that |
| 20:20.43 | El_Angelo | i have been doing distro maintainance for 10 years now |
| 20:20.48 | El_Angelo | not for debian |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | could we get this as a summary so i can add it as a FLW ? |
| 20:20.51 | PinkFreud | El_Angelo: then perhaps you should start by installing lenny to learn it. |
| 20:20.56 | El_Angelo | i think i know enough about running linux |
| 20:20.57 | El_Angelo | no |
| 20:21.01 | El_Angelo | i don't want to learn |
| 20:21.13 | El_Angelo | but don't worry :) |
| 20:21.24 | abrotman | so you won't ask us any questions? |
| 20:21.28 | El_Angelo | i won't come back moaning you broke my system |
| 20:21.30 | El_Angelo | nope |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | okay .. have a nice day .. |
| 20:21.50 | El_Angelo | i can google..... and i can annoy Corsac |
| 20:21.58 | abrotman | bye! |
| 20:22.10 | PinkFreud | El_Angelo: sounds like you're set, then. What do you need us for? |
| 20:22.15 | El_Angelo | na... i'm sticking here... kind of like you guys :p |
| 20:22.39 | El_Angelo | just couldn't find the download location... but greycat helped me already |
| 20:22.40 | ikonia | notes that jp-- is using ubuntu - not debian |
| 20:22.42 | maligor | El_Angelo, just don't expect anyone to help you fix unstable problems here |
| 20:22.49 | El_Angelo | that's fine |
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| 20:23.40 | jp-- | ikonia I'm a longtime debian and ubuntu user. Ubuntu user since october 2004, man. On ubuntu forums since 2005. so go screw your mom. thanks. |
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| 20:24.07 | wols_ | jp--: be a nice kid or no supper for you tonight |
| 20:24.09 | ikonia | notes that the problem jp-- is asking about is with his ubuntu install |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | jp--: that's enough of that |
| 20:24.58 | jp-- | wols_, abrotman yep, ok. but tell this guy to stop bothering me, as you can see |
| 20:25.05 | abrotman | jp--: uname -r |
| 20:25.15 | greycat | jp--: if someone is bothering you, /ignore works wonders |
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| 20:28.14 | abrotman | waits for an answer from jp-- |
| 20:28.28 | wols_ | hands a pillow to abrotman |
| 20:28.32 | wols_ | better expect a long wait |
| 20:28.39 | titan8990 | pulls up a chair |
| 20:28.48 | simonrvn | makes some popcorn |
| 20:28.58 | titan8990 | alright, we are set now |
| 20:28.59 | jp-- | is calling the police |
| 20:29.13 | simonrvn | gets out the crowbar |
| 20:29.42 | wols_ | jp--: see how many people wait for your answer? |
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| 20:30.33 | jp-- | wols_, that's a lot, I haven't denied that I'm not using Ubuntu, I use debian and ubuntu all the time, this is actually my work laptop, it's really silly to be explaining this |
| 20:30.46 | daltio | wols |
| 20:30.47 | daltio | ? |
| 20:30.50 | daltio | any luck |
| 20:30.57 | nvz | can you all hit the showers, and wash the sand out of your vaginas? |
| 20:31.00 | ikonia | not really as you stated the problem was with your ubuntu install earler |
| 20:31.02 | abrotman | jp--: except that this channel is for Debian help. If you need help with Ubuntu, please go to #ubuntu, or ##linux if they cannot help you. |
| 20:32.37 | jp-- | abrotman, that's very gently from your part, I do use debian on a lot of projects and I don't have to necessarily get out of an irc channel because I am not using the project of the channel I am actually, really silly from your part. |
| 20:32.49 | jp-- | feels abrotman wanna fight. |
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| 20:32.53 | simonrvn | *blink* |
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| 20:32.57 | wols_ | daltio: luck with what? |
| 20:33.01 | abrotman | jp--: i'm telling you not to ask for Ubuntu support in #debian .. this is not up for debate |
| 20:33.04 | daltio | plz tel me |
| 20:33.06 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 20:33.14 | daltio | i want to copy data from debain to XP |
| 20:33.24 | daltio | with east bothering w/o samba |
| 20:33.26 | wols_ | and I told you what would probably be easiest |
| 20:33.27 | abrotman | daltio: use samba |
| 20:33.29 | jp-- | abrotman, if you wanna fight, you can fight my goons |
| 20:33.34 | astomith | i'm trying to install cryptsetup and lvm2. although the install of the packages is ok, update-initramfs freeze, at different stages, everytime when is trying to add some agp module. is there anything i can do to get over this thing? sometimes rebooting and runing again update-initramfs works, but not every time... |
| 20:33.51 | daltio | act my email backup i won want samha to share data it may harm |
| 20:33.52 | greycat | daltio: every other choice would be MUCH harder than using samba |
| 20:34.07 | greycat | if you want to choose something else, go ahead, but we don't support Windows here. |
| 20:34.10 | PinkFreud | jp--: I'm not sure what the problem is. Ubuntu != Debian, and you're in #debian. |
| 20:34.34 | PinkFreud | If you need help with Debian, ask here. If you need help with Ubuntu, ask on those Ubuntu forums you bragged about being on since 2005. |
| 20:34.35 | jp-- | PinkFreud, that's exactly what I am saying. What's the problem? |
| 20:34.49 | ikonia | the problem is the question you asked about was on your ubuntu install |
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| 20:34.53 | jp-- | PinkFreud, of course, that's what I've been saying all the time, exactly. |
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| 20:35.00 | ikonia | this is debian support |
| 20:35.11 | simonrvn | D E B I A N |
| 20:35.14 | mrrcp | how can i monitor wifi on my debian server? any progs out there for this? like allow access etc |
| 20:35.18 | jp-- | ikonia, of course, this is debian support, it's obvious DEBIAN, not Ubuntu |
| 20:35.18 | PinkFreud | jp--: so can you paste that uname -r? |
| 20:35.30 | ikonia | jp--: and yet you're asking about your ubuntu problems in #debian ? |
| 20:35.32 | wols_ | simonrvn: due to popular request we renamed it "debain" recently. HTH |
| 20:35.36 | WiretapSevenMac | hi guys... having a minor problem here, running lenny...... can't seem to track down the package "pcmcia-sourcE" |
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| 20:35.46 | WiretapSevenMac | when you're quite finished with your argument that is |
| 20:35.53 | titan8990 | mrrcp: depends on what you mean by "monitor". what information do you want to see about the server's wifi? |
| 20:35.53 | simonrvn | WiretapSevenMac: ask in #debian |
| 20:36.02 | simonrvn | oops, sorry haha ECHAN |
| 20:36.16 | WiretapSevenMac | simonrvn, is this not #debian? |
| 20:36.16 | simonrvn | WiretapSevenMac: hehe, sorry |
| 20:36.17 | mrrcp | well not monitor but i want my server to be able to say who has access etc username and password etc |
| 20:36.18 | wols_ | WiretapSevenMac: not in debian |
| 20:36.28 | ikonia | wols_: is it gone ? |
| 20:36.30 | mrrcp | like a cafe access |
| 20:36.31 | WiretapSevenMac | wols_, sorry? |
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| 20:36.41 | WiretapSevenMac | if the package is gone, what am I to do? |
| 20:36.48 | titan8990 | mrrcp: ah, so you want to setup a captive portal? |
| 20:36.51 | babilen | WiretapSevenMac: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:36.51 | WiretapSevenMac | mrrcp, have a look at captive portals, there's plenty out there |
| 20:36.56 | wols_ | WiretapSevenMac: the package you want |
| 20:37.02 | simonrvn | i've been channel switching a lot and lost track od where i was =) |
| 20:37.03 | WiretapSevenMac | babilen, compile an obscure SD reader driver >_< |
| 20:37.07 | simonrvn | of |
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| 20:37.31 | wols_ | WiretapSevenMac: in what way does the driver need it? |
| 20:37.32 | WiretapSevenMac | wols_, the package is gone? what has replaced it? |
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| 20:37.39 | abrotman | jp--: and i asked you for some information, then you started fighting with me |
| 20:37.44 | mrrcp | u know any good ones? |
| 20:37.52 | mrrcp | titan8990 yea i guess |
| 20:37.54 | wols_ | tho, if it's a kernel driver, chances are the kernel interfaces have changed so much it won't work anymore |
| 20:38.00 | WiretapSevenMac | wols_, erm.. it needs the sources in order to compile... otherwise it complains about CS_SUCCESS being undefined |
| 20:38.09 | wols_ | what sources? |
| 20:38.27 | WiretapSevenMac | wols_, this discussion is feeling circular... pcmcia-source |
| 20:38.55 | jp-- | abrotman, God gives me strength to not fight anyone, so I am sorry that you thought I was fighting you |
| 20:38.56 | wols_ | get kernel headers. it'S where all the pcmcia stuff is. and pray the interface stayed the same |
| 20:39.03 | WiretapSevenMac | lol |
| 20:39.04 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:39.10 | abrotman | whatever .. either answer the question or keep quiet |
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| 20:40.02 | jp-- | abrotman, why do you want me to show you a uname -a of an Ubuntu system? |
| 20:40.04 | jp-- | that's silly |
| 20:40.06 | WiretapSevenMac | wols_, are the kernel sources not sufficient? |
| 20:40.06 | greycat | scrolls up to half an hour ago to find out what the hell jp--'s question was |
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| 20:40.18 | wols_ | WiretapSevenMac: The Linux pcmcia-cs package is officially deprecated. It can only be used with 2.4 and older kernels. |
| 20:40.29 | ikonia | wols_: wow, is it that old really |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | jp--: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic. If you need Ubuntu support, please use #ubuntu. |
| 20:40.34 | WiretapSevenMac | wols_, pcmcia-source != pcmcia-cs |
| 20:40.35 | wols_ | WiretapSevenMac: they are usually not for compiling drivers. but see above. 2.4 kernels are LONG gone |
| 20:40.55 | WiretapSevenMac | I am well aware that 2.4 is ancient, thankyou wols_, please do not assume me to be an idiot |
| 20:41.15 | ikonia | WiretapSevenMac: whoaa, chill out, it's not exactly clear |
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| 20:41.59 | WiretapSevenMac | ok, allow me to link you to said obscure module |
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| 20:42.51 | WiretapSevenMac | http://pieleric.free.fr/o2scr/O2Micro_PCMCIA_SCR_203_Linux_Kernel26_OpenSource.tar.gz |
| 20:43.01 | WiretapSevenMac | all the source files are visible in /o2scr/ |
| 20:43.11 | WiretapSevenMac | as they would be found on the machine |
| 20:43.26 | yucatan | can somebody give me the /etc/apt/sources.list from lenny |
| 20:43.27 | yucatan | ? |
| 20:43.39 | greycat | is there a human-readable document somewhere that says "this driver is for ___ hardware on linux version 2.____"? |
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| 20:44.25 | greycat | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 20:44.26 | greycat | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main non-free contrib |
| 20:44.39 | wols_ | greycat: a file/dir in there is for 2.6.13 |
| 20:44.40 | WiretapSevenMac | greycat, how about 'this driver is for the O2Micro SmartCardBus interface oon linux 2.6 |
| 20:44.42 | WiretapSevenMac | ' |
| 20:44.51 | greycat | "2.6" is very misleading. |
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| 20:44.58 | Zylvain | hi |
| 20:45.07 | wols_ | WiretapSevenMac: useless. linux doesn't necessarily keep the ABI backwards compatible |
| 20:45.19 | Zylvain | does anyone know how to remap mouse buttons to keyboard's keys ? |
| 20:45.19 | wols_ | even inside the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:45.20 | greycat | 2.6 did not start out as a stable kernel series. |
| 20:45.24 | WiretapSevenMac | people have managed to compile this on 2.6.26 |
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| 20:45.34 | greycat | WiretapSevenMac: find one of them and make him tell you how. |
| 20:45.37 | WiretapSevenMac | according to mailing lists |
| 20:45.43 | WiretapSevenMac | greycat, hah, i wish |
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| 20:46.14 | stuckey | How can I set up icedove to not make html emails? |
| 20:46.16 | WiretapSevenMac | oh bollocks, the laptop I'm trying to work on just locked up >_< |
| 20:46.32 | PinkFreud | greycat: in theory, it did. At the time 2.6 started out, 2.5 was the old unstable and 2.6 the new stable. |
| 20:46.41 | greycat | I must disagree, pink. |
| 20:46.46 | PinkFreud | er, more like devel, rather than stable/unstable. |
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| 20:47.18 | mrrcp | anyone user packet fence |
| 20:47.19 | mrrcp | ? |
| 20:47.33 | PinkFreud | mrrcp: I'm sure someone does. |
| 20:47.40 | abrotman | stuckey: it's per account, look in the account setttings->Composition |
| 20:47.41 | PinkFreud | Whether that someone is here, though... :) |
| 20:47.48 | WiretapSevenMac | hmm\ |
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| 20:47.56 | WiretapSevenMac | its not locked up, its getting interrupt storms |
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| 20:50.27 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 20:50.28 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
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| 20:52.07 | Fantom__ | is there available option to set a full screen in console my monitor its a new model from LG but on |
| 20:52.07 | Fantom__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.16 | PinkFreud | greycat: yes. But at the time that 2.6 was created, it *was* the new stable. |
| 20:52.16 | Fantom__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.38 | ikonia | band dodging jp-- |
| 20:52.40 | ikonia | ban |
| 20:52.49 | greycat | At the time 2.6 was created, it was something in between development and stable. |
| 20:52.52 | jp-- | ikonia fuck your mom first. |
| 20:52.53 | jp-- | :) |
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| 20:53.05 | jp-- | all over the place |
| 20:53.07 | jp-- | )= |
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| 20:53.44 | pallgone | what does that mean: no candidate version found (I try to install xpdf or kpdf) on squeeze? (aptitude install xxx) |
| 20:53.53 | NoCode | what package would gtk-doc be in? |
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| 20:54.30 | stuckey | Is icedove any different than thunderbird? Is it just the name/artwork or was other stuff changed? |
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| 20:55.16 | maligor | stuckey, as far as I know, it should be identical except for the 'TM' stuff |
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| 20:55.29 | Fantom__ | is there available option to set a full screen in console my monitor its a new model from LG but on PC start on DOS on console mode and sometimes in graphical mode picture is still center (it is not from monitor options, i checked that) ?, to be in ful screen i mean? |
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| 20:56.19 | greycat | !tell Fantom__ about xorg config lenny |
| 20:56.25 | stuckey | maligor: I can't figure out how to turn off html emails |
| 20:56.34 | greycat | I aca n' |
| 20:56.36 | greycat | bah. |
| 20:56.44 | greycat | I can't help you with non-X (text console) config. |
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| 20:57.01 | Fantom__ | greycat: i mean in console |
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| 20:57.04 | Fantom__ | text mode.. |
| 20:57.05 | pallgone | Fantom__: maybe you can set that in the bios... or use another vga mode through the grub kernel line |
| 20:57.07 | maligor | Fantom__, that should really be upto the display |
| 20:57.21 | WiretapSevenMac | bloody machine decided to poweroff without warning, computers dont like me today |
| 20:57.32 | NoCode | overheating? |
| 20:57.39 | WiretapSevenMac | battery |
| 20:57.42 | NoCode | ah |
| 20:57.54 | WiretapSevenMac | macbook pro battery appears to have gone to hell |
| 20:57.56 | PinkFreud | yes, it usually helps to have power to run the machine. :P |
| 20:57.59 | Fantom__ | pallgone: no option in BIOS. |
| 20:58.01 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 20:58.04 | WiretapSevenMac | lol |
| 20:58.09 | NoCode | quacks |
| 20:58.10 | Fantom__ | pallgone: u mean e.g. vga=792 ? |
| 20:58.14 | WiretapSevenMac | was showing 20% remaining when it went :P |
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| 20:58.38 | NoCode | ponders how easy it is to replace a mac battery |
| 20:58.45 | WiretapSevenMac | they unclip |
| 20:58.54 | NoCode | ah, I thought they were internal. |
| 20:58.57 | WiretapSevenMac | machine is going in for warranty fix for other things soon anyway |
| 20:58.58 | titan8990 | Fantom__: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 20:59.34 | pallgone | Fantom__: yeah, tried that? |
| 20:59.50 | pallgone | Fantom__: you can use vga=ask to test some... |
| 21:00.01 | abrotman | pallgone: you m ight want to try evince (though it is gtk-ish) |
| 21:00.27 | titan8990 | uses epdfview which is gtk-ish |
| 21:00.30 | PinkFreud | NoCode: some models are, like the Macbook Air |
| 21:00.42 | WiretapSevenMac | yep |
| 21:00.48 | WiretapSevenMac | but even those are trivial to replace |
| 21:00.57 | WiretapSevenMac | unscrew the bottom and then unplug and remove the battery |
| 21:01.08 | PinkFreud | nods |
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| 21:01.51 | Fantom__ | pallgone: yes i tried all variants |
| 21:02.01 | Fantom__ | pallgone: but i still centered on text mode |
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| 21:03.02 | stuckey | Anyone know what a PWM cycle is? |
| 21:03.19 | Fantom__ | pallgone: Choice endianness support (Support for Big- and Little-Endian framebuffers) maybe is that? |
| 21:03.24 | stuckey | Like I can do nvclock -f -F 70 and it changes this ... and then my fan gets louder. |
| 21:03.42 | stuckey | My fan on my video card is loud, so could I do nvclock -f -F 15 to make it quiet? |
| 21:04.42 | PinkFreud | stuckey: if it supports speed control and you have a driver for it, then you should be able to. Keep in mind, though, that by making the fan 'quiet', you're slowing it down, therefore it won't move as much air. |
| 21:05.04 | stuckey | So PWM duty cycle is the fan speed? |
| 21:05.04 | PinkFreud | In other words, make damn sure you know what you're doing, as you could easily wind up with a cooked gpu. |
| 21:05.26 | nvz | I think in most situations its best to take the fans off and put a larger case fan that blows air over the entire area on. but it all depends on how good your heat sink is and exactly how much heat your gpu generates |
| 21:05.35 | stuckey | It already lists fanspeed as RPM though -- so what's PWM |
| 21:05.48 | pallgone | Fantom__: hmm... well, not sure about that... but framebuffer could do what you want... |
| 21:06.03 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 21:06.05 | PinkFreud | pwm are for fans that support speed adjustment. |
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| 21:06.11 | nvz | like on multi-seat boxes, they don't put fans on 2-6 video cards, they just put one or two large fans that creat airflow through all the cards |
| 21:06.18 | stuckey | PWM duty cycle: 69.8% |
| 21:06.24 | stuckey | So I get that when I do nvclock -f -F 70 |
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| 21:06.41 | stuckey | So all I am controling there is the fan -- nothing else? |
| 21:06.57 | phorce1 | stuckey: PWM == Pulse Width Modulation -- and yes, it controls the fan speed. Fans are DC and speed is controlled by "pulsing" the DC electricity a certain nmber of times per second. More pulses = faster and fewrer = slower |
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| 21:07.23 | Fantom__ | pallgone: what can i do? |
| 21:07.28 | stuckey | phorce1: cool thanks. Setting it to 95 really makes it loud and the temperatures drops way down :) |
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| 21:08.14 | phorce1 | stuckey: since it's listed as percentage then that means you can go from 0 (stopped) to 100 (fastest possible fan speed) |
| 21:08.18 | nsadmin | well pulse -width- modulation is taking a pulse that happens at a specific rate and making it narrower or fatter |
| 21:08.18 | NoCode | Which Squeeze package has pygtk 2.0 in it? |
| 21:08.35 | nsadmin | it's not changing the rate |
| 21:08.57 | stuckey | Hmm... that little bit of knowledge could prove dangerous. |
| 21:08.59 | greycat | Squeeze is 'testing'. It is not released yet. If you are running squeeze, it's because you're testing it, which means you know how the package manager works. |
| 21:09.06 | greycat | So you know about things like "apt-cache search". |
| 21:09.26 | titan8990 | greycat: your new here, right? :p |
| 21:09.42 | phorce1 | nsadmin: you are correct. It would have taken me more words to describe that. "Pulse rate" correlates to "fan speed" more easily than explaining pulse duration. |
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| 21:10.52 | phorce1 | usually has no shoratge of words available though. There are usually 11.7530 short answers posted before he hits enter on his 3 paragraph ramble. |
| 21:10.54 | pallgone | Fantom__: you really need that fullscreen console? don't you use X mainly? |
| 21:11.00 | nsadmin | phorce1: yes but which is not to say that's really what's going on... my only point is "here's what PWM is" |
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| 21:11.21 | stuckey | My 9800gt is too loud and runs hot. I wish I had a card that ran cool and didn't make a lot of noise. |
| 21:11.26 | PinkFreud | phorce1: I think you missed a couple of 0s |
| 21:11.29 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 21:11.43 | PinkFreud | stuckey: buy one? :P |
| 21:11.55 | stuckey | PinkFreud: you know of one? |
| 21:11.56 | obiwan_ | Hi all, I'm trying to install debian on my new machine. I'm using the usb stick which contains the boot.img (zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/... ) and the netinst ISO (mini.iso). The installation begins but when it tries to find where the iso file is that fail. |
| 21:12.02 | Sivik | what is wrong? http://pastebin.com/sj941tNg |
| 21:12.06 | phorce1 | had an 8500GT toast itself a couple of weeks ago. And he doesn't screw around with the fan speed. |
| 21:12.19 | PinkFreud | stuckey: depends on the performance you want to get. There are cards which use passive cooling only. |
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| 21:12.31 | titan8990 | stuckey: get a passively cooled card if your not a big gamer... if you are a gamer, you will find your video card will always be the loudest thing in your box |
| 21:12.36 | PinkFreud | of course, gpus on those cards won't give you much performance. |
| 21:13.00 | stuckey | PinkFreud: I don't game, but I like to buy games from Frictional Games when they come out, and thus I usually spend a few weeks or so in the year gaming. |
| 21:13.04 | NoCode | In which package can I find: desktop-agnostic |
| 21:13.06 | phorce1 | stuckey: If you're not into high end gaming look into the (relatively) new nVidia GT220 cards |
| 21:13.07 | titan8990 | has a passively cooled nvidia card |
| 21:13.09 | stuckey | Other than that I just use the computer to watch movies. |
| 21:13.30 | titan8990 | NoCode: apt-file can help with that |
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| 21:14.38 | NoCode | titan8990: Whoa, that's awesome. THANKS. |
| 21:14.44 | NoCode | I think that made my day |
| 21:14.55 | phorce1 | stuckey: the GT220 are the new 'budget' line and they run under 40 dB under load. |
| 21:15.03 | pallgone | Fantom__: are you running squeeze/sid? |
| 21:15.23 | titan8990 | NoCode: anytime :) |
| 21:15.28 | Fantom__ | pallgone: no |
| 21:15.32 | Fantom__ | stable 5.0.3 |
| 21:15.33 | Fantom__ | stable 5.0.4 |
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| 21:15.55 | stuckey | titan8990: which model? |
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| 21:16.32 | phorce1 | has 20 running computers within 2 feet of his head, one video card isn't going to make a difference |
| 21:16.40 | titan8990 | stuckey: 7300 SE, older card but gets the job done |
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| 21:17.01 | stuckey | Is it possible to decode x264 video now on-card? |
| 21:17.04 | NoCode | waits for the list to download |
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| 21:17.15 | phorce1 | on warm days I consider putting ear plugs |
| 21:17.21 | phorce1 | in |
| 21:17.39 | Hebram | phorcel: You are going to be as deaf as me one day. LOL |
| 21:17.49 | PinkFreud | Hebram: what? |
| 21:17.51 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 21:18.12 | pallgone | Fantom__: well... if nothing of the vga= options works I wouldn't know how... you might have to experiment a bit: http://codehunk.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/booting-debian-lenny-into-widescreen-framebuffer/ |
| 21:18.20 | NoCode | phorce1: Just use earbuds and listen to music instead of listening to yourself breathe. :P |
| 21:18.31 | Hebram | You get used to the 24/7 ringing sound in yours ears after the first month or two. |
| 21:18.55 | Hebram | PinkFreud: =P |
| 21:18.57 | nsadmin | tinitus |
| 21:19.02 | nsadmin | can be painful |
| 21:19.04 | Hebram | nsadmin: Yep. |
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| 21:19.22 | nsadmin | the ringing could be due to dry hardened ear wax |
| 21:19.25 | Hebram | Doesn't hurt me personally, just annoying. |
| 21:19.40 | phorce1 | I can tell you which computer is under heavy load without switching the KVM around though |
| 21:20.22 | Hebram | nsadmin: Yeah. Been to the doc and all that. I just have poor hearing now. |
| 21:20.42 | phorce1 | is afk for a while -- time to reduce the load on the bank account by entering a bunch of customer checks |
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| 21:23.17 | smacnay | Hi, I need some help installing a program but am not sure which I need, I am running a 'make install' command and get this error: make: *** No rule to make target `src/makemenugui', needed by `all-am'. Stop. |
| 21:23.52 | greycat | read src/Makefile and find out what's broken |
| 21:23.55 | smacnay | I have make installed but am not sure what else I need. |
| 21:24.00 | smacnay | greycat, ok, thanks |
| 21:24.07 | greycat | you need a non-broken source code tree |
| 21:24.08 | pallgone | is anyone using jackd on squeeze? I'm not able to start it in X but it works from the console. someone had this problem before: http://www.pubbs.net/debian/200909/74596/ |
| 21:24.26 | pallgone | I think it's still broken... |
| 21:25.37 | pallgone | also that /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf is not included... |
| 21:26.00 | smacnay | greycat, thanks - I figured out that there is no src/makemenugui at all so I need to figure out what is calling that. |
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| 21:26.13 | pallgone | I had to put those settings into limits.conf, then it works from the console but not from X... |
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| 21:30.46 | NoCode | hrm. Can't find desktop-agnostic with apt-file |
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| 21:32.18 | titan8990 | NoCode: might not exist in debian, what is it? |
| 21:33.05 | NoCode | Dependency for AWN |
| 21:33.32 | stuckey | Anyone know how to get icedove to send plain text emails by default? |
| 21:33.55 | titan8990 | NoCode: aptitude install avant-window-navigator |
| 21:34.16 | WiretapSevenMac | got the driver to compile, found a newer version..... but I still can't see my gorran SD cards |
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| 21:34.59 | NoCode | titan8990: It's not the dev version. |
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| 21:35.33 | xente | hello....what is the standard way of generating new ssl certificates? |
| 21:35.48 | titan8990 | stuckey: edit -> preferences -> composition -> send options in upsteam 3.x |
| 21:36.03 | titan8990 | NoCode: why do you need the dev version? |
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| 21:36.10 | titan8990 | judd: versions avant-window-navigator |
| 21:36.11 | judd | avant-window-navigator -- lenny: 0.2.6-7; squeeze: 0.3.2.1-5; sid: 0.3.2.1-6 |
| 21:36.57 | NoCode | There are probably better options for it. |
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| 21:37.10 | titan8990 | NoCode: you could try SSB but its likely not going to work if it lenny lacks the depends |
| 21:37.13 | titan8990 | !sns |
| 21:37.13 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 21:37.40 | titan8990 | NoCode: so start compiling to /usr/local |
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| 21:38.59 | stuckey | titan8990: it seems like I have to specifiy every receipient to be plain text only --- seriously? |
| 21:39.07 | stuckey | titan8990: it doesn't have an opttion "no html emails" |
| 21:39.13 | NoCode | What a useless fucking factoid. |
| 21:39.18 | titan8990 | stuckey: on mine there is a dropdown above that |
| 21:39.19 | xente | it seems to me that there would be a graceful way to do this in debian |
| 21:39.48 | titan8990 | stuckey: it says "convert messages to plain text" |
| 21:40.02 | stuckey | titan8990: yeah okay I see that |
| 21:40.03 | titan8990 | stuckey: but again, I am using upstream 3.x, so yours could be different |
| 21:40.16 | stuckey | judd: versions icedove |
| 21:40.17 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; sid: 2.0.0.22-1.1; experimental: 3.0.2-1 |
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| 21:40.36 | titan8990 | NoCode: its not at all useless for a distro that strives for quality well before bleeding-edge |
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| 21:41.09 | stuckey | titan8990: So I have to enter html... |
| 21:41.19 | titan8990 | NoCode: the point is... you could spend a great deal of time to get that to work, for new features you have no idea about and good chance you don't need |
| 21:42.04 | NoCode | So you'd rather have less people install Debian? |
| 21:42.08 | titan8990 | NoCode: its more understandable when you want feature "n", than wanting something just because its newer |
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| 21:42.45 | titan8990 | NoCode: personally? yes |
| 21:43.01 | gothenburg | :o |
| 21:43.46 | titan8990 | NoCode: but that is still not stopping me from offering assistance in this particular matter, or advice |
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| 21:44.59 | xente | how are the certificates generated when debian is installed? |
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| 21:45.22 | titan8990 | xente: openssl maybe? |
| 21:45.40 | xente | titan8990: that's what I think but how would I redo what it does when it's installed? |
| 21:45.46 | titan8990 | xente: although, I have no idea what certs you are talking about being created on installation |
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| 21:46.01 | titan8990 | xente: the system does not have or require openssl |
| 21:46.15 | titan8990 | xente: what is it your trying to do? |
| 21:46.33 | xente | titan8990: /etc/ssl/private, /etc/ssl/certs/ca.pem |
| 21:46.54 | titan8990 | xente: what makes you think that was created on install? |
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| 21:47.38 | xente | titan8990: freeradius uses certificates in those dir's but they are outdated, namely the hostname has changed, so I just want to remake them. I don't know for sure if they were created on install, I didn't pay attention when openssl was installed |
| 21:49.19 | titan8990 | xente: ... have a look around for debian specific freeradius guides... I believe it specifically lacks some openssl features due to dfsg compatibility. It might be recommended you compile your own freeradius package or rebuild the existing one |
| 21:49.24 | titan8990 | !freeradius |
| 21:49.24 | dpkg | FreeRADIUS is a high-performance and configurable <RADIUS> server, formerly packaged as <radiusd-freeradius> in Debian. http://freeradius.org/ http://wiki.freeradius.org/FAQ #freeradius on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:49.48 | xente | titan8990: thanks |
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| 21:54.09 | vh4x0r | Hi! I'm downloading the amd64 cd1 of debian unstable using jigdo ! But I'm getting a lot of 404 errors :-( |
| 21:54.22 | abrotman | vh4x0r: that's because .. it's unstable |
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| 21:54.40 | vh4x0r | abrotman: so which mirror wud work best ? |
| 21:54.45 | xente | although openssl might not be required in the default install, there are a ton of common packages that depend on it |
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| 21:56.13 | vh4x0r | anyone ? |
| 21:56.57 | titan8990 | say no to sid!! |
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| 21:58.30 | ampi | ciao |
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| 21:59.20 | ampi | ciao, c'e' qualcuno a cui chiedere un aiuto? |
| 21:59.46 | icebrain | !it |
| 21:59.46 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:00.01 | xente | si |
| 22:00.28 | xente | ma non parlo italiano molto bene |
| 22:00.36 | ampi | va bene lo stesso |
| 22:00.52 | ampi | ho installato debian su di un portatile p3 |
| 22:00.56 | ampi | debian sid |
| 22:01.10 | ampi | ma quando lo accendo mi da come messaggio |
| 22:01.33 | PinkFreud | ampi: #debian-it, as the bot said |
| 22:01.34 | xente | ma penso che si desidera utilizzare il canale italiano |
| 22:01.39 | ampi | internal error failed to initialize hal |
| 22:01.53 | ampi | ok..provo sul canale italiano |
| 22:02.09 | xente | ok |
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| 22:05.06 | NoCode | Is there any easy way to add PPA branches to Debian, similarly to Ubuntu? |
| 22:06.24 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 22:06.52 | abrotman | NoCode: you have to realize .. we don't always know the buntu acronym |
| 22:06.56 | abrotman | ubuntu .. whatever |
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| 22:11.09 | icebrain | "Personal Package Archives" |
| 22:11.13 | r3c4ll | He estado probando con libvirt para gestionar maquinas virtuales, lo instale en un ubuntu 9.10 y todo va bien (en el escritorio), cuando quiero que la maquina virtual vaya en red (bridge) empiezo a tener problemas |
| 22:12.43 | bocaneri | r3c4ll, I don't speak enough Spanish to be able to help with that. Is there a #debian-es or ##debian-es? |
| 22:12.50 | PinkFreud | !es |
| 22:12.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:13.55 | PinkFreud | not to mention Debian != Ubuntu |
| 22:16.14 | r3c4ll | bocaneri, thnxs |
| 22:16.19 | WiretapSevenMac | apparently I have overdone the cooling on this WRT54GL..... 100% CPU usage, and its overclocked, but the fan I installed doesnt even spin up faster than idle O_O |
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| 22:21.40 | NoCode | Code deprecation when building the package. =\ |
| 22:22.32 | zoredache | is there a easy way to take an authorized_keys file and print out the fingerprint for each key present in the file? something like ssh-keygen -l -f id.pub that shows every key and the comment? |
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| 22:23.41 | NoCode | meh |
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| 22:27.20 | dkr | cat authorized_keys ? ;) |
| 22:27.31 | Jolia | Hy there |
| 22:29.18 | Jolia | I need someone for the GSoC |
| 22:29.59 | superfirelord42 | Google summer of code? |
| 22:30.04 | jhutchins | Jolia: Someone? |
| 22:30.47 | Jolia | Yeah, for help |
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| 22:31.07 | zoredache | dkr: that gives me the hash... The finger print looks like this 49:63:2c:ac:... I ask because with Loglevel set to verbose, the fingerprint is sent to the logfile and not the hash. I am trying to find a quick way to map the fingerprint in the auth.log back comment for the key in the authroized keys |
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| 22:31.47 | jhutchins | Jolia: You're gonna need more than three word sentances to convey what you're actually looking for. |
| 22:32.18 | Jolia | I'm looking for help about GSoC and debian organisation |
| 22:32.47 | dkr | zoredache: sorry, skimmed too quickly, saw the 'every key and the comment' part :0 |
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| 22:32.57 | superfirelord42 | Anything specifically with debian and GSoC? Packages? Debian install systems? |
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| 22:36.08 | superfirelord42 | Jolia: I show that GSoC doesnt start for students until March 29, i assume you are looking for mentors for the debian project? |
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| 22:36.31 | Jolia | yeah |
| 22:36.34 | Jolia | Exactly |
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| 22:38.07 | superfirelord42 | that explains alot. as for me, that counts me out as i am a simple tinkerer, i see your deadline is on the 8th for submissions so good luck! |
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| 22:39.14 | Jolia | Yeah thx, I'm @ #debian-soc on irc.debian.org |
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| 22:40.23 | zoredache | dkr: ah. I can write a script to do what I need, I was just hoping there was an option that I wasn't seeing that would do all the work for me. :) |
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| 22:41.13 | dkr | zoredache: I applaud your laziness. I don't know of any, either. |
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| 22:44.55 | nillix | running debian 5.0 on a satellite L455D with a realtek 8199 (rev 22) wireless card, I custom built a 2.6.30 kernel using the 2.6.26 config and after building rtl8180 and trtl8187 modules are there but rtl8187se module is not. |
| 22:45.13 | nillix | am I missing a option in my kernel? or what could be happening |
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| 22:47.12 | nillix | in backtrack the wireless card is functional using the module rtl8187se. |
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| 22:49.24 | titan8990 | nillix: wouldn't have installing .32 from backports been much easier? or did you have another reason to manually compile? |
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| 22:50.04 | titan8990 | nillix: and im pretty sure that chip requires installation of firmware |
| 22:50.15 | titan8990 | !rtl8187 |
| 22:50.15 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 22:50.25 | nillix | titan8990: I could of taken that route, I have no internet connection to the computer so custom was easier(imo) plus I just enjoy it |
| 22:50.42 | titan8990 | !rtl8187se |
| 22:50.43 | dpkg | The RTL8187SE is an IEEE 802.11b/g single-chip WLAN IC (with PCI Express interface) manufactured by Realtek. Not supported by the <rtl-wifi> rtl8187 driver at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8187se) available in mainline kernels from 2.6.29-rc1, installation procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x#rtl8187se . Driver is experimental: expect latency, performance and stability issues. |
| 22:51.02 | titan8990 | nillix: check out the install procedure above |
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| 22:51.59 | nillix | titan8990: thanks, will check it out. I am suprised my googleing didnt bring me uponthat page |
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| 22:52.10 | exes | it should be accomplishable to boot from a knoppix CD and install Debian from an ISO onto the local drive? |
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| 22:52.53 | titan8990 | exes: using debootstrap, don't know about an ISO |
| 22:53.07 | titan8990 | !tell exes about debootstrap |
| 22:53.08 | exes | hmmm |
| 22:53.14 | exes | I'm just thinking about the easiest way to do this |
| 22:53.27 | titan8990 | exes: if you go that route, I highly recommend following the install guide and not the guide on the wiki (which lacks info) |
| 22:53.45 | exes | but I should, in the end, get the same debian system I would from a netinst? |
| 22:53.47 | titan8990 | exes: whats preventing you from installing directly from the netinst cd? |
| 22:53.49 | karlpinc | exes: Do what? Why not just use a netinstall cd? |
| 22:53.54 | titan8990 | exes: yes |
| 22:53.57 | exes | geography |
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| 22:54.27 | exes | I can have my parents boot from a netinst and ssh to the install? |
| 22:54.30 | titan8990 | ah, well deboostrap is going to download all the packages, so if your worried about bandwidth... |
| 22:54.31 | exes | I know you can do that in Gentoo |
| 22:54.55 | titan8990 | exes: no, don't think so |
| 22:55.03 | karlpinc | exes: Yes. But it will ask about 5 questions first (language, keyboard layout, etc.) See the install guide (expert mode is required.) |
| 22:55.11 | titan8990 | exes: maybe you want something like FAI? |
| 22:55.21 | titan8990 | karlpinc: really? interesting |
| 22:55.51 | exes | karlpinc: thanks dude |
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| 22:56.52 | fant0m_ | ghost:~# update-grub |
| 22:56.52 | fant0m_ | Your /usr is broken, please fix it before call this wrapper! |
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| 22:58.12 | titan8990 | fant0m_: how did you manage that? |
| 22:58.43 | fant0m_ | i don't know |
| 22:58.49 | fant0m_ | i just install the grub2 and then i remove it |
| 22:58.56 | fant0m_ | and now i have that |
| 22:59.21 | titan8990 | fant0m_: what was the point of install grub-pc? |
| 22:59.42 | fant0m_ | ? |
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| 22:59.50 | fant0m_ | i don't know |
| 22:59.52 | fant0m_ | :) |
| 23:00.33 | titan8990 | i assume this is your "play" system |
| 23:00.44 | fant0m_ | yes |
| 23:00.45 | titan8990 | fant0m_: does /usr/sbin/update-grub exist? what are the permissions? |
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| 23:01.11 | fant0m_ | -bash: /usr/sbin/update-grb: No such file or directory |
| 23:01.25 | titan8990 | fant0m_: try again without the typo |
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| 23:01.50 | gothenburg | night |
| 23:01.54 | fant0m_ | -bash: /usr/sbin/update-grub: No such file or directory |
| 23:03.01 | titan8990 | fant0m_: grub is not reinstalled... that file is in package for grub-legacy and grub-pc |
| 23:03.20 | titan8990 | well, plain "grub" in lenny |
| 23:03.53 | titan8990 | fant0m_: try reinstalling the grub package |
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| 23:05.06 | fant0m_ | ok thanks |
| 23:05.31 | titan8990 | fant0m_: fixed? you might want to double check menu.lst to ensure it actually got wrote to |
| 23:05.41 | fant0m_ | fixed |
| 23:05.54 | titan8990 | fant0m_: excellent, np |
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| 23:06.15 | Akuw | hi |
| 23:06.45 | Akuw | any application so all data in my flash drive is encrypted so i can protect data ? |
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| 23:08.38 | titan8990 | Akuw: LUKS, or truecrypt |
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| 23:09.55 | titan8990 | !luks |
| 23:09.55 | dpkg | LUKS: Linux Unified Key Setup, a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. For more information, see http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian'. To access on win32 platforms, see http://freeotfe.org/ and ask me about <ext2fsd>. |
| 23:10.13 | titan8990 | !truecrypt |
| 23:10.13 | dpkg | i heard truecrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, ITP in bug #413070. http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
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| 23:14.33 | autojack | last night I upgraded my kernel and nvidia drivers on my Debian system from 2.6.24 to 2.6.26 using the Debian packages. now Xorg won't start, and it's giving this error: "Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" but lsmod shows the nvidia module loaded. anyone know why this would be? |
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| 23:27.24 | titan8990 | autojack: rebuild the nvidia module |
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| 23:27.42 | BerMeJo | hi all |
| 23:28.02 | titan8990 | judd: kernel |
| 23:28.04 | titan8990 | judd: kernels |
| 23:28.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:28.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny3); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 23:28.21 | titan8990 | plural and non-plural work.... noted |
| 23:28.24 | jtimberman | Partial answer to earlier question about configuring rabbitmq, it stores the data in /var/lib/rabbitmq/mnesia/rabbit. |
| 23:29.14 | titan8990 | autojack: did you do a full etch->lenny upgrade? |
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| 23:29.36 | BerMeJo | i'm having problems trying to creating file system ext3 for /dev/hda3/ with mount point / and debian install, my system hang up, anybody know about this? |
| 23:29.56 | titan8990 | BerMeJo: one of the TTYs should have some debugging information |
| 23:30.19 | BerMeJo | titan8990: my system is totally freeze |
| 23:30.36 | BerMeJo | often stop at 33 % |
| 23:31.00 | BerMeJo | i used two differents hard drives, now i'm trying with serial ata |
| 23:31.04 | autojack | titan8990: no, I didn't do a system upgrade. just installed the new kernel and nvidia driver. |
| 23:31.17 | autojack | titan8990: are you saying I need to build the driver from source instead of using the package? |
| 23:31.53 | titan8990 | autojack: the recommended method is to use m-a to build the modules |
| 23:32.15 | titan8990 | autojack: it needs to be done while the new kernel is running or it will build against the old |
| 23:32.19 | autojack | what's m-a? |
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| 23:32.31 | titan8990 | autojack: its shorthand for module-assistant |
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| 23:32.34 | autojack | ahh |
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| 23:32.42 | titan8990 | autojack: both commands function the same |
| 23:32.45 | titan8990 | !nvidia |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 23:32.52 | titan8990 | !nvidia m-a |
| 23:32.52 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 23:33.02 | autojack | got it. |
| 23:33.09 | autojack | that's weird, I've never done that before on Debian. |
| 23:33.25 | autojack | I don't understand why the two matched versions (kernel and driver package) aren't working. |
| 23:33.27 | titan8990 | autojack: ah, that factoid needs to be fixed |
| 23:34.02 | autojack | hm, my debian version says lenny/sid |
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| 23:34.35 | autojack | my sources.list just references lenny |
| 23:34.39 | titan8990 | autojack: aptitude install module-assistant nvidia-xconfig nvidia-glx; m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && nvidia-xconfig |
| 23:34.58 | titan8990 | now to finally bring myself to figure out how to change bot factoids |
| 23:35.01 | autojack | can I use apt-get instead of aptitude? I'm on remote command line at the moment. |
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| 23:36.08 | titan8990 | autojack: you can, but aptitude can be used non-interactively like apt-get |
| 23:36.15 | autojack | ah |
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| 23:36.22 | titan8990 | autojack: that line will work remotely |
| 23:36.30 | titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 23:36.31 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 23:36.31 | autojack | ok |
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| 23:36.40 | autojack | huh, interesting. |
| 23:36.43 | titan8990 | autojack: and what you have is called frankendebian... |
| 23:36.52 | autojack | I've been using Debian for years but I've never used aptitude. |
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| 23:37.09 | autojack | "nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-190.53 but it is not installable" |
| 23:37.15 | titan8990 | autojack: it also sounds like you have been doing some mixing of releases |
| 23:37.23 | autojack | not intentionally. |
| 23:37.52 | autojack | back in the day I tried "pinning" once and regreted it :) |
| 23:37.58 | autojack | since then, I just pick a release and stick to it. |
| 23:38.13 | autojack | but sometimes I use stale install media and then upgrade to a newer release, which may have been the case on this box. |
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| 23:39.14 | autojack | hm this is interesting. |
| 23:39.17 | autojack | I just tried aptitude instead. |
| 23:39.28 | autojack | so this whole process started last night because I wanted to install handbrake-gtk |
| 23:39.44 | titan8990 | judd: versions handbrake-gtk |
| 23:39.45 | judd | handbrake-gtk -- lenny-multimedia: 0.9.3-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.9.4+svn20100208-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.9.4+svn20100208-0.1 |
| 23:39.45 | autojack | doing apt-get install handbrake-gtk triggered this massive upgrade shitfest :) |
| 23:40.00 | titan8990 | that you said "y" to? |
| 23:40.23 | autojack | yeah because looking at it, it appeared to mainly want to upgrade a lot of gnome stuff. |
| 23:40.34 | autojack | in retrospect of course, I wish I'd just installed from source :) |
| 23:40.43 | themill | autojack: if you've got a machine that says "lenny/sid" for its versions, then you're running at least 12 monthe behind on your routine updates on that box. |
| 23:41.15 | autojack | anyway, so now when I use the aptitude line you suggested, it looks like it wants to remove a huge amount of stuff. looks like mostly stuff that was installed last night. |
| 23:41.27 | autojack | themill: yes that's not surprising to me, this box is a media PC that I don't upgrade often. |
| 23:41.32 | autojack | I prefer not to break it the way I did last night :) |
| 23:42.03 | autojack | so, I'm thinking I should say yes to aptitude's desire to remove all this stuff. |
| 23:42.16 | themill | autojack: umm... lenny has been stable for over 12 months and upgrading between stable releases is pretty straight forward. |
| 23:42.21 | autojack | though the phrase "it could hardly make things worse" is probably not a wise one. |
| 23:43.02 | autojack | themill: I'm not saying it isn't easy, just that upgrading this particular system is not really a priority. |
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| 23:44.11 | autojack | so should I say yes to what aptitude wants to do? |
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| 23:44.32 | E-bola | Are the hyper-V drivers disabled in debian squeeze? |
| 23:44.43 | titan8990 | autojack: I have no idea what it says, what is installed on your system, or what you want to keep |
| 23:44.52 | autojack | right. |
| 23:44.58 | autojack | I guess it's not an answerable question. |
| 23:45.02 | titan8990 | E-bola: they were removed from the mainstream kernel... |
| 23:45.16 | autojack | ah what the fuck, it's been awhile since I dealt with a total meltdown of a Debian box! |
| 23:45.24 | E-bola | titan8990: umm not from .32? |
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| 23:45.38 | E-bola | not even from .33 as far as i know |
| 23:45.59 | E-bola | or do u just mean from the debian stock kernel when u say mainstream kernel? |
| 23:46.01 | exes | karlpinc: having some problems finding the docs on remote install with netinst CD |
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| 23:46.36 | autojack | themill: what exactly is the source of the lenny/sid line in my debian_version? |
| 23:46.52 | themill | autojack: a very old version of the base-files package. |
| 23:46.59 | exes | karlpinc: hold that |
| 23:47.06 | autojack | okay. |
| 23:47.20 | titan8990 | E-bola: sorry, it was an article I read. I just checked it and it was about how they were threatening removal if it was not maintained |
| 23:47.24 | autojack | I suspect that I installed from sid media and then did a dist-upgrade to lenny. |
| 23:47.41 | autojack | however this update just did: |
| 23:47.42 | autojack | Get:1 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu sid/main module-assistant 0.11.3 [114kB] |
| 23:47.43 | autojack | Get:2 http://debian.lcs.mit.edu lenny/main nvidia-xconfig 1.0+20080522-2 [69.2kB] |
| 23:47.58 | autojack | one from sid, one from lenny? that's probably bad. |
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| 23:48.01 | titan8990 | E-bola: it was android code that was actually about getting removed... |
| 23:48.07 | E-bola | titan8990: precisely, he started threatening them before .32 release as well |
| 23:48.17 | themill | autojack: you've got a really unhappy setup there. Fix your sources.list first. |
| 23:48.22 | E-bola | But do you know if the debian team disabled them in the stock kernel? |
| 23:48.25 | E-bola | it looks like it to me |
| 23:48.44 | E-bola | it looks like ubuntu didnt but debian did |
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| 23:48.46 | autojack | themill: it was happy for two years! :) |
| 23:48.57 | titan8990 | !hyper-v |
| 23:48.57 | dpkg | well, hyper-v is a non-free system virtualization product from Microsoft. It is not supported in #debian. An installation procedure for using Debian as a guest operating system is available at http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsServerHyperV . See also <virtualization>. |
| 23:49.02 | autojack | but yeah when this finishes I'll see what's going on. |
| 23:49.08 | autojack | I appreciate the help. |
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| 23:49.27 | autojack | At Least It's Not Red Hat |
| 23:49.35 | E-bola | titan8990: relatively useless info, but thanks... |
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| 23:52.07 | autojack | urg there IS some sid stuff in my sources.list |
| 23:52.09 | autojack | wtf was I doing. |
| 23:52.26 | autojack | ok time to fix this |
| 23:52.34 | autojack | sid->lenny |
| 23:52.41 | autojack | judd: sid->lenny |
| 23:52.44 | autojack | hmm |
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| 23:52.52 | titan8990 | !downgrade |
| 23:52.52 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 23:53.03 | titan8990 | !partial downgrade |
| 23:53.03 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 23:53.17 | autojack | I don't want to downgrade do I? |
| 23:53.40 | titan8990 | autojack: sid is unstable branch, lenny is current stable |
| 23:53.45 | autojack | oh |
| 23:53.53 | autojack | so then maybe I should just go to sid. |
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| 23:53.59 | titan8990 | autojack: your left over from running lenny when it was the testing release |
| 23:54.06 | autojack | ohhh |
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| 23:54.19 | autojack | hmm |
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| 23:54.20 | tinc2k | cheers |
| 23:54.26 | titan8990 | !lenny |
| 23:54.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 23:54.35 | titan8990 | autojack: which was over a year ago |
| 23:54.40 | autojack | got it. |
| 23:54.59 | autojack | man why the HELL did I have a mixed sources.list. I always try to avoid that. |
| 23:55.40 | autojack | hmmmmm |
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| 23:55.50 | autojack | it seems like upgrading to sid may overall be a simpler move |
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| 23:56.00 | autojack | this box does one thing: runs MythTV. |
| 23:56.09 | autojack | and it gets that from debian-multimedia.org. |
| 23:56.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | titan8990, that's not downgrading, though |
| 23:56.14 | HookProcess | &quit |
| 23:56.27 | HookProcess | fail. >( |
| 23:56.30 | kj5 | how to I check my own ident info? |
| 23:56.31 | HookProcess | :) |
| 23:56.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's just upgrading from lenny (testing from 2 years ago) to lenny, stable |
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| 23:56.56 | autojack | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah but I appear to have sid packages installed now. |
| 23:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, pastebin your sources.list? |
| 23:57.03 | autojack | ok |
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| 23:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | autojack, well, check that with apt-show-versions |
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| 23:57.53 | autojack | http://paste.debian.net/62684/ |
| 23:58.11 | autojack | I don't have apt-show-versions |
| 23:58.34 | titan8990 | !install it |
| 23:58.35 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 23:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | allright... 1st, throw the sid sources out |
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| 23:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also have two different mirrors for lenny, you need only one |
| 23:59.22 | autojack | titan8990: :P could have been a typo |
| 23:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | then run apt-get update, install apt-show-versions and check how much stuff from sid you pulled in |
| 23:59.28 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: one is security, the other is main |
| 23:59.40 | titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat: well, and lenny dmm |
| 23:59.45 | autojack | apt-show-versions: Depends: libapt-pkg-perl (>= 0.1.21) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:59.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I meant the lcs and moblock ones |